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| 00:00.06 | xsquared | Seb: what do i have to do to fix that? |
| 00:00.10 | Seb | ma3x: wiconfig and other programs in the same package |
| 00:00.16 | lexande | i don't think there's much correlation between spelling/grammar errors and english as a second language |
| 00:00.23 | lexande | if anything native speakers are worse |
| 00:00.24 | Seb | xsquared: get a version of the module that matches your kernel ? |
| 00:00.27 | ma3x | Seb, is there graphical interface for it? |
| 00:00.29 | Seb | xsquared: as in, download the right one |
| 00:00.37 | Seb | ma3x: not sure about a GUI... |
| 00:00.42 | xsquared | Seb: there is only 1 file to download |
| 00:00.47 | lexande | with "u" and "ur" and "r" and so forth |
| 00:00.49 | ma3x | Seb, i dont find such a thing - wiconfig |
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| 00:00.54 | Seb | xsquared: well does it say for what kernels it's for ? And don't lie to me. |
| 00:01.02 | Seb | !find iwconfig |
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| 00:01.09 | Seb | lexande: true that |
| 00:01.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwconfig' (2): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.0-dev-1/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 00:01.35 | Seb | ma3x: there, wireless-tools |
| 00:01.35 | SLACK_TEK | hahaha |
| 00:01.36 | xsquared | Seb: its for all kernels 2.5 and 2.6 |
| 00:01.41 | takatumi | ma3x: apt-get install wireless-tools, man wireless |
| 00:01.42 | xsquared | Seb: i have 2.6 |
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| 00:01.57 | Seb | ma3x: learn to use apt-cache, i nthis case "apt-cache search iwconfig" would have given you the package name |
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| 00:02.08 | whitehorse1 | hmm I wonder if the pin priorities in the apt-get preferences file could be what's stopping the install of xserver-xorg upgrading xserver-common from v4-6. might be why apt-get install reports back xserver-common is the latest version. Can anyone shed any light? |
| 00:02.09 | Seb | xsquared: you need to talk to the author of this module |
| 00:02.11 | whitehorse1 | the debian manual on aptget suggests 'apt-get -f install' & 'dpkg --configure -a' somewhere. should i just try those? |
| 00:02.29 | ma3x | Seb, apt-cache search iwconfig gives me nothing |
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| 00:02.41 | Seb | he's right |
| 00:02.45 | takatumi | ma3x: man apt-file |
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| 00:02.50 | Seb | how would I find what package contains iwconfig form the ocmmand line ? |
| 00:02.55 | Seb | ah, apt-file |
| 00:03.09 | dvs | Seb: dpkg -S |
| 00:03.09 | Seb | takatumi: thx |
| 00:03.16 | MizLinux | Hi, I seem to have a problem with running the commands "adduser" "deluser" "ifconfig" for ifconfig i can run /sbin/ifconfig but how can i resolve this matter? |
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| 00:03.20 | Seb | dvs: nah, the file is not installed yet ;) |
| 00:03.26 | lexande | dvs: only if it's installed already |
| 00:03.27 | dvs | oh |
| 00:03.32 | Overand | Hey, if I set a user's shell to /dev/null or something, will they be able to SCP files still, and, potentially, use 'WinSCP' ? |
| 00:03.32 | Seb | MikeWasHere05: export PATH=/sbin:$PATH |
| 00:03.40 | Seb | MikeWasHere05: in one of your shell startup files |
| 00:03.47 | JimButton | Overand: no |
| 00:03.53 | BackThen | i got some problems with nvidia drivers |
| 00:03.54 | Seb | MikeWasHere05: and if you're using csh or tcsh, well you can burn in hell, hehe |
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| 00:04.12 | Seb | Overand: no, you need a shell |
| 00:04.14 | Overand | JimButton: suggestions for how I can limit/completely restrict a user's ability to run things on my box and still give them the ability to SCP in? |
| 00:04.17 | Overand | hrm |
| 00:04.29 | Seb | Overand: there are patches to sshd that do that, limit a user's abilities to scp, no interactive ssh session |
| 00:04.35 | Overand | interesting |
| 00:04.39 | ma3x | takatumi, can you give me the security line for sources.list please? |
| 00:04.44 | JimButton | Overand: better use an ftp server or something, i guess |
| 00:04.47 | FieldySnuts | there are shells that only allow scp |
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| 00:04.52 | FieldySnuts | i forget what it's called |
| 00:04.53 | justin | !tell Overand about scponly |
| 00:04.56 | FieldySnuts | that. |
| 00:05.01 | Seb | JimButton: nah, the patch is fine |
| 00:05.02 | justin | oh, no factoid..grr |
| 00:05.06 | JimButton | oh, nice, didn't know that |
| 00:05.07 | Overand | heh |
| 00:05.10 | justin | !+info scponly |
| 00:05.19 | Overand | I can google it =] |
| 00:05.20 | dpkg | scponly: (Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 00:05.29 | justin | packages.debian.org/scponly would be faster than google |
| 00:05.40 | Overand | heh |
| 00:05.53 | Seb | Overand: well, scponloy is just the shell. The patch I was talking about would aslo chroot users to their $HOME |
| 00:05.54 | grelli | and we return |
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| 00:05.57 | Overand | yaeh |
| 00:05.59 | Overand | 'yeah' |
| 00:06.07 | Overand | scponly will probably be 'good enough' |
| 00:06.16 | Seb | heh, compromising o nsecurity, huh ? :> |
| 00:06.30 | Overand | Seb: it's someone I trust. |
| 00:06.39 | Seb | since I learnt to touchtype I'm worse than before :\ |
| 00:06.46 | Overand | I'd just rather not allow them easy, immediate access to a full shell here. |
| 00:06.54 | Seb | Overand: hehe, he might slip his password to someone you don't :> |
| 00:07.05 | Overand | Unlikely but always possible. |
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| 00:07.13 | Seb | pointless discussion if any :) |
| 00:07.15 | lexande | Seb: couldn't they be chrooted to their home without a patch? |
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| 00:07.22 | Seb | lexande: i don't think so |
| 00:07.24 | mfrisch | When gdm starts my keyboard stops working. It is the same X config I have used for years. |
| 00:07.25 | lexande | just make chroot their shell |
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| 00:07.32 | Seb | lexande: haha |
| 00:07.37 | Seb | lexande: were talking baout scp only access |
| 00:07.40 | Seb | lexande: so no 'real' shell |
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| 00:07.48 | takatumi | !tell ma3x -about security |
| 00:07.51 | lexande | yeah |
| 00:07.51 | whitehorse1 | anyone know why apt-get upgrade returns 'GET' and the name of each repository in sources.list happily but when it gets to one line it's prefixed by 'IGN'? the man apt-get pages don't mention it nor does apt-howto :/ |
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| 00:08.02 | Seb | whitehorse1: it's ok |
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| 00:08.22 | lexande | but the user still has a shell |
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| 00:08.40 | whitehorse1 | ok. i thought it meant it was ignoring that repository |
| 00:08.41 | lexande | Seb: whether it's /sbin/nologin or /usr/bin/scponly or whatever |
| 00:08.54 | Seb | whitehorse1: it's seen it before, is all |
| 00:08.57 | lexande | Seb: so we could make their shell dchroot foo scponly, or something |
| 00:09.03 | whitehorse1 | ok ty |
| 00:09.24 | Seb | lexande: i don't see the flaw in your reasoning right now, but the mere existence of this patch (still maintained) would seem to prove you're wrong :D |
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| 00:09.44 | nvz | hmm I got a dir /home/nvz/10.0.0.18 on this one box I have no idea where it came from |
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| 00:09.53 | lexande | well, dchroot is not very common and is annoying overkill for this use |
| 00:09.54 | Seb | nvz: scp foo 10.0.0.18 |
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| 00:10.02 | Seb | nvz: forgot the *trainling* : when scp'ing :) |
| 00:10.05 | Seb | trailing even |
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| 00:10.15 | raden | ok i just built a system ran fine for 2 days, GIGABYTE GA-8VM533M-RZ / Celeron D 2.4 533 FSB / Sony DVD RW / Maxtor 80 GB all of a sudden started locking up today then frooze in bios, never overclocked been running 41 degree C, put my P4 2.0 instead of locking up just shuts off pull my ram switched no diffrence any ideas ? could the MOBO be causing all these sparatic lockups ? |
| 00:10.22 | nvz | Seb: ah, right.. that did happen earlier |
| 00:10.36 | whitehorse1 | don't suppose you've any idea what to do re its insistence the installed $foo is the latest version of x-common; when it's not, preventing xserver-xorg installing? |
| 00:10.43 | Seb | raden: it could |
| 00:10.44 | Overand | haha |
| 00:10.53 | Overand | the scsponly package has a REALLY nice question it asks when you install it |
| 00:10.55 | lexande | and i'm not sure that's actually secure enough, i guess you can't put arguments in /etc/passwd so you'd have to make a script do it and then they could always terminate the script partway through and have non-chroot access |
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| 00:11.13 | Seb | Overand: what is the exact msg preventing xserver-xorg to be installed ? |
| 00:11.23 | FieldySnuts | chroot can be trivially broken out of anyway, wanna lock that down use grsecurity patch to the kernel |
| 00:11.23 | dvs | raden: My guess would be power supply |
| 00:11.25 | Seb | lexande: indeed |
| 00:11.30 | whitehorse1 | Seb: me |
| 00:11.38 | Seb | whitehorse1: yeah, sorry |
| 00:11.40 | whitehorse1 | :) |
| 00:11.41 | raden | dvs, thats a good possiblity |
| 00:11.42 | JimButton | FieldySnuts: only if you have root |
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| 00:11.52 | Overand | Seb: xserver-xorg? i think you're talkign to the wrong person |
| 00:11.57 | Overand | on SCPonly install: http://pastebin.com/354062 |
| 00:11.57 | Seb | Overand: i was indeed |
| 00:11.58 | raden | IU also get a PCI parity error once in a while |
| 00:12.08 | FieldySnuts | JimButton: guess again :) |
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| 00:12.25 | Overand | raden: are you overclocked at all anywhere? |
| 00:12.31 | raden | not at all |
| 00:12.31 | Overand | ah, you already said no |
| 00:12.34 | Overand | hm |
| 00:12.36 | whitehorse1 | seb: unresolved dependencies. shall I give the details? |
| 00:12.37 | raden | i never OC systems use for business |
| 00:12.41 | Overand | What speed is your ram? |
| 00:12.49 | Seb | whitehorse1: pastebin |
| 00:12.54 | JimButton | FieldySnuts: i know that it is more secure to have a hardened kernel etc, but show me how to break out of a chroot as non-root, without knowing some root exploit |
| 00:12.55 | whitehorse1 | nod on it |
| 00:13.09 | lexande | Overand: nice... so i guess the patch Seb speaks of is no longer necessary |
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| 00:13.37 | Seb | lexande: well the patch is was talking baout wouldn't allow a root hole |
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| 00:13.48 | Seb | a remote one, at that |
| 00:13.49 | raden | dvs, anyway to test the power supply |
| 00:14.14 | raden | 12 Volt side its been running a stable 11.85 on my volt metere 5.31 on 5 volt side |
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| 00:14.46 | raden | what really doesnt make sense after it crashes i reboot i can get bios to lock up and everything then ill shut it off for a while conme back itll run for an hour |
| 00:14.56 | raden | but after it locks up I cant get it todo anything |
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| 00:15.21 | SynrG | raden: i seem to recall lockup & apic issues at one point. dunno if any issues remain with current kernels. |
| 00:15.22 | raden | ive built well over 300 systems in 10 years and this one is getting annoying the one cheapo I build for a spare box LOL |
| 00:15.25 | quittt | !zappa |
| 00:15.25 | dpkg | zappa is probably THE guitar _GOD_ |
| 00:15.37 | FieldySnuts | the real issue is if it's outputting dirty ( rippled ) power, detecting that needs an oscilliscope |
| 00:15.38 | quittt | !frank zappa |
| 00:15.39 | SynrG | raden: but your lockup in BIOS indicates something else |
| 00:15.47 | FieldySnuts | quittt: who are the brain police? |
| 00:15.48 | raden | SynrG, im not getting past bios or hardware bios detection before it locks sometimes |
| 00:15.53 | whitehorse1 | Seb: http://pastebin.com/354068 |
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| 00:15.59 | raden | and sometimes ill be in KDE try to use kaffeine and boom lock |
| 00:16.02 | quittt | FieldySnuts, what? |
| 00:16.04 | SynrG | raden: yeah. temporary amnesia. |
| 00:16.10 | quittt | !nightwish |
| 00:16.19 | quittt | nightwish sux hehe |
| 00:16.22 | FieldySnuts | baby, take your teeth out |
| 00:16.24 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:16.25 | raden | I WAS like WTF when deb crashed today im like HUH no way |
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| 00:16.37 | raden | glad it was a hardware Issue :) |
| 00:16.45 | takatumi | raden: which kernel? tried others? |
| 00:16.53 | JimButton | quittt: my guitar wants to kill your mama |
| 00:16.55 | FieldySnuts | a power supply outputting dirty or rippled power is no joke, it can slowly destroy components on your system. me I lost my IDE controller and two 120GB seagate drives that way |
| 00:17.07 | raden | I tried Deb suse and gentoo there all having probs win 2000 wont even install |
| 00:17.18 | raden | i have 3 of these identical systems i know there stable |
| 00:17.20 | FieldySnuts | may be cheaper (considering that) to just get a new power supply (go antec or enermax) |
| 00:17.22 | quittt | JimButton, ? |
| 00:17.23 | quittt | hahaha |
| 00:17.29 | Guerin | raden: got a multimeter? |
| 00:17.29 | raden | my roomate has one dual boot deb and win no probs for over a year |
| 00:17.32 | quittt | JimButton, dont you like Zappa? |
| 00:17.34 | dvs | FieldySnuts: That's why I don't mind spending big bucks on a power supply |
| 00:17.34 | raden | yes sir |
| 00:17.35 | whitehorse1 | @seb, (or http://pastebin.com/354070 - with the uname -r tacked on the end) |
| 00:17.38 | JimButton | quittt: you were asking for zappa... |
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| 00:17.40 | FieldySnuts | dvs: good |
| 00:17.42 | Guerin | raden: check them voltage outputs |
| 00:17.47 | raden | 11.85 on 12 volt side |
| 00:17.49 | quittt | !nightwish |
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| 00:17.49 | dpkg | methinks nightwish is a melodic metal that sucks |
| 00:17.50 | JimButton | quittt: i like zappa, but i overdosed on him at some point |
| 00:17.51 | raden | 5.3 on 5 volt side |
| 00:17.59 | quittt | JimButton, hehehe |
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| 00:18.11 | FieldySnuts | don't play around. repace the power supply, as talked about above |
| 00:18.13 | raden | and i have 112 out of wall |
| 00:18.19 | JimButton | quittt: but that song (my guitar wants to kill your mama) is still one of my favorites |
| 00:18.36 | raden | im out of power supplied :( |
| 00:18.56 | raden | ohh i might have a compaq out back |
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| 00:22.07 | dvs | raden: I was good enough to pass QA but not the real world. |
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| 00:22.21 | raden | lol |
| 00:22.21 | dvs | s/I/It |
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| 00:22.21 | Seb | whitehorse1: i was just pointing that backports are officially not supported |
| 00:22.22 | pusling | Guerin: that is quite an amount of packages ,) |
| 00:22.26 | adrakoa | takatumi i'm kundalini, the framebuffer problem it solve with fbset.... thanks. |
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| 00:22.37 | Guerin | pusling: xlibs-dev, reom memory |
| 00:22.38 | raden | ill bet its the mobo or PS |
| 00:22.43 | takatumi | adrakoa: yw. |
| 00:22.46 | Guerin | pusling: what are you building/ |
| 00:22.47 | Guerin | ? |
| 00:22.48 | Seb | raden: start with the PS, it's cheaper |
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| 00:23.01 | adrakoa | takatumi i'm happy with my new resolution :) |
| 00:23.07 | pusling | Guerin: trying to create a packagee ;) kde style |
| 00:23.10 | raden | actually the board is power supply from antec $67 gigabyte board 43 |
| 00:23.18 | takatumi | adrakoa: mplayer on console. |
| 00:23.18 | pusling | Guerin: even xlibs-dev is quitee a big one ;) |
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| 00:23.34 | Guerin | pusling: what you CAN do is install auto-apt |
| 00:23.42 | whitehorse1 | seb: oh it's cool. I was originally looking at trying to upgrade to a newer version of xfree86 but it was strongly suggested no, change to x.org. I'd be happy to stay with the officially supported packages.. :) sadly as is tho it won't work w/my gfx card - 800x600 is max res I can get :shudder: |
| 00:23.44 | Guerin | pusling: or install the build-dep for some similar package |
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| 00:23.55 | pusling | Guerin: auto-apt ? |
| 00:23.58 | Seb | whitehorse1: ati ? |
| 00:24.02 | whitehorse1 | seb: yes |
| 00:24.04 | Seb | whitehorse1: don't sweat it |
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| 00:24.11 | Seb | whitehorse1: why not use the binary packages from flavio ? |
| 00:24.14 | raden | Vcore 1.358 V DDR25v 2.496V 3.3 V supply 3.312V +12V 11.795 - 11.858 Temp 39 C |
| 00:24.14 | Guerin | pusling: wow, you can read! |
| 00:24.17 | Seb | dpkg, tell whitehorse1 about ati |
| 00:24.18 | gentoothreefour | hi |
| 00:24.19 | gentoothreefour | anyone programming python |
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| 00:24.30 | Seb | gentoothreefour: sure. #python nevertheless. |
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| 00:24.36 | Guerin | gentoothreefour: nope, we all code straight into ASM |
| 00:24.38 | raden | Vcore 1.358 V DDR25v 2.496V 3.3 V supply 3.312V +12V 11.795 - 11.858 Temp 39 C |
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| 00:24.46 | raden | whjoops |
| 00:24.52 | gentoothreefour | yeah sure |
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| 00:24.58 | fagewswgfweg | heo |
| 00:24.59 | resiak | gentoothreefour: I've just recompiled it with -O9999 -funroll-all-loops ! |
| 00:25.01 | fagewswgfweg | hyo |
| 00:25.03 | pusling | Guerin: build-dep for some similar might work, ... but I would like to get a right build-dep-line :) |
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| 00:25.05 | fagewswgfweg | hello |
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| 00:25.15 | fagewswgfweg | ay algien qe able espaņol |
| 00:25.19 | Guerin | !es |
| 00:25.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:25.24 | gentoothreefour | Seb i cant seem to be identified |
| 00:25.26 | FieldySnuts | badger |
| 00:25.27 | amphi | resiak: -fomit-instructions, shurely ;) |
| 00:25.33 | Seb | gentoothreefour: register, than |
| 00:25.35 | resiak | gentoothreefour: /msg nickserv help |
| 00:25.38 | resiak | amphi: Heh. |
| 00:25.40 | Guerin | and -fuck-my-system |
| 00:25.40 | pusling | Guerin: apt-file + apt-get sounds morre like whaat I want than auto-apt |
| 00:25.47 | fagewswgfweg | algien espaņol qe me pueda ayudar? |
| 00:25.49 | FieldySnuts | no, it's -ffuck-my-system |
| 00:25.53 | FieldySnuts | ingles |
| 00:25.54 | whitehorse1 | seb: i'll give it a whirl. |
| 00:26.00 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: -fmy-bad |
| 00:26.04 | FieldySnuts | and -wall-no-fuckage |
| 00:26.12 | bucky | -badger |
| 00:26.17 | FieldySnuts | -fnobadger |
| 00:26.19 | Seb | whitehorse1: this'll work fine. Official X packages, plus tha ati proprietary module. Works OK, except for suspend/resume on laptops. |
| 00:26.27 | LightVision | how can I write a script to perform multiple tasks? Is there a helpfile for this? |
| 00:26.31 | garyc_ | when i try to burn a cd, the cd burning software says preparing to write cd and never changes |
| 00:26.35 | gentoothreefour | nickserv not working |
| 00:26.40 | Seb | LightVision: foo & ; bar & ; baz & ; ? |
| 00:26.41 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 00:26.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:26.44 | gentoothreefour | anyone using intel pentium D??????????????????????????? |
| 00:26.47 | LightVision | Seb: what? |
| 00:26.47 | gentoothreefour | anyone |
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| 00:26.52 | resiak | gentoothreefour: Fuck off. |
| 00:26.55 | amphi | gentoothreefour: no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:26.55 | Seb | LightVision: in what languag ? |
| 00:26.57 | gentoothreefour | resiak: ? |
| 00:26.58 | fagewswgfweg | algun espaņol? |
| 00:27.04 | resiak | !es |
| 00:27.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:27.05 | gentoothreefour | anyone |
| 00:27.05 | Seb | dpkg, tell fagewswgfweg about es |
| 00:27.10 | LightVision | Seb: this is mt 3rd day! im not sure |
| 00:27.11 | FieldySnuts | ~anyone |
| 00:27.12 | apt | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
| 00:27.21 | Seb | LightVision: what are you trying to accomplish ? |
| 00:27.24 | Guerin | gentoothreefour: are you reading-impaired? |
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| 00:27.38 | LightVision | Seb: im using Sarge, KDE! what language can I use to write basic scripts? |
| 00:27.39 | dvs | Guerin: Must be Sunday |
| 00:27.41 | gentoothreefour | anyone |
| 00:27.44 | Guerin | dvs: amazingly, it is |
| 00:27.47 | Seb | LightVision: scripts to do *what* ? |
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| 00:27.49 | resiak | Guerin: ITYM "do you have deferred success in reading?" :) |
| 00:27.57 | Guerin | !fuck gentoothreefour |
| 00:27.58 | LightVision | Seb: trying to accomplish typing one command to do multiple things at once |
| 00:27.59 | dvs | Guerin: Not here, yet. 3.5 more hours |
| 00:28.05 | FieldySnuts | ~gentoosmite V4mp |
| 00:28.07 | apt | ACTION spends 9 days recompiling V4mp, and when it's all done, V4mp runs 6% slower than previously |
| 00:28.07 | gentoothreefour | is there motherbothrd with intel pentium D dual cpu support |
| 00:28.08 | fagewswgfweg | algun espaņolllllll |
| 00:28.09 | resiak | gentoothreefour: /msg nickserv register SOMEPASSWORD; /part #debian |
| 00:28.09 | Guerin | resiak: ur newspeak is ++ than my |
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| 00:28.27 | resiak | Heh |
| 00:28.29 | Seb | LightVision: man, last chance, what "multiple things" ? Take your time. |
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| 00:28.37 | gentoothreefour | nickserv ignores me |
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| 00:28.42 | LightVision | Seb: for example, 1, run firestarter 2. run apt-get update 3. rkhunter --update etc |
| 00:28.42 | FieldySnuts | sure it does |
| 00:28.43 | resiak | ... |
| 00:28.45 | Seb | dpkg, tell fagewswgfweg about es |
| 00:28.46 | Seb | dpkg, tell fagewswgfweg about es |
| 00:28.47 | fagewswgfweg | me pueden decir alguna sala de espaņoles? |
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| 00:28.52 | FieldySnuts | shut up seb |
| 00:28.57 | FieldySnuts | fagewswgfweg: ingles, puto |
| 00:28.58 | slim | hello |
| 00:29.01 | LightVision | Seb: I want to write a script to do all those things in ONE COMMAND |
| 00:29.04 | pepsi | how do i know which xserver modules to use? glcore, dri, glx, etc.? |
| 00:29.05 | mfrisch | I added a user and sent many emails to the account but I can't get anything new in /var/mail/user |
| 00:29.09 | Kcd | hi guys, i need squashfs support in a kernel-image (in module), is it possible ? |
| 00:29.13 | mfrisch | exim4 |
| 00:29.14 | resiak | LightVision: Ask #sh |
| 00:29.16 | LightVision | Seb: can you help or not??? |
| 00:29.18 | Kcd | s/in/with |
| 00:29.20 | Seb | LightVision: read the bash scriptin howto |
| 00:29.23 | LightVision | Seb are you a troll? |
| 00:29.23 | Seb | scripting |
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| 00:29.29 | gentoothreefour | wow its hard to make movies |
| 00:29.29 | dvs | mfrisch: Isn't it /var/spool/mail? |
| 00:29.30 | LightVision | resiak: thanks :) |
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| 00:29.51 | resiak | LightVision: Or #bash, or in fact just read what Seb told you to |
| 00:29.55 | LightVision | resiak: the channel is mepty |
| 00:29.56 | Seb | LightVision: ah, ya just won an /ignore, farewell |
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| 00:30.05 | LightVision | Seb: good |
| 00:30.13 | mfrisch | dvs I am use to testing...all I know is mutt is not opening anything |
| 00:30.22 | Guerin | #bash is not empty |
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| 00:30.28 | resiak | LightVision: You want to ask a shell scripting channel, or just read the bash scripting howto. |
| 00:30.35 | Seb | mfrisch: your MTA must be misconfigured then |
| 00:30.35 | slim | no parport0 and no dsp in my dev so I have no parallel and no sound (debian3.1 kernel 2.6) |
| 00:30.41 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an mta war |
| 00:30.41 | LightVision | resiak: thanks |
| 00:30.42 | ravenbird | smail rulez |
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| 00:30.54 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: use ravenbird , it has the nicer one |
| 00:31.20 | mfrisch | Seb if I reinstall will it give me the defaults |
| 00:31.23 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: nope. i changed it bax0r |
| 00:31.28 | FieldySnuts | no~ |
| 00:31.34 | Seb | mfrisch: you wanna *read* some documentation for your MTA. |
| 00:31.34 | dvs | mfrisch: C'mon. Just reconfigure it |
| 00:31.36 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: they don't know |
| 00:31.36 | ravenbird | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:31.38 | fagewswgfweg | sorry psp playestation |
| 00:31.41 | madradrone | slim: did you load the modules? |
| 00:31.42 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: liar!! |
| 00:31.51 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 00:31.51 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:31.53 | Kcd | i don't really want to compile a nex kernel, patch it with squashfs support an reboot my pc, any suggestions ? |
| 00:31.54 | Guerin | pwn3d |
| 00:31.55 | fagewswgfweg | im not ingles |
| 00:31.57 | slim | yes |
| 00:32.03 | Guerin | fagewswgfweg: go to #debian-es |
| 00:32.05 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: oh! okay n ow i understand, thought you put ravenbirds to the weak one |
| 00:32.09 | FieldySnuts | sorry |
| 00:32.09 | pipeline | fagewswgfweg: #debian-es |
| 00:32.12 | resiak | Guerin: I don't think we're meant to call them morons any more. |
| 00:32.17 | raden | Guerin, still around ? |
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| 00:32.26 | mfrisch | dvs have three times used it for over a year and using the same config except maybe my smarthost. |
| 00:32.28 | whitehorse1 | Seb: the flavio site has suitable looking binaries, will installing via synaptic be ok (they show up there) or should I use dpkg from a command line? |
| 00:32.29 | Guerin | resiak: bah |
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| 00:32.41 | Guerin | raden: as aroundd as i ever was |
| 00:32.44 | raden | Guerin, before my board even got to the point where it tries to boot from hard drive i got a error message |
| 00:32.46 | Seb | whitehorse1: that shouldn't change much... |
| 00:32.47 | Guerin | omfg! |
| 00:32.55 | whitehorse1 | ta. |
| 00:32.56 | slim | madra.. :alsa has detected the sound card and parport is ok with lsmod |
| 00:32.57 | Guerin | something on cnn other than hurricane katrina |
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| 00:33.07 | resiak | Guerin: Football ? |
| 00:33.10 | raden | Guerin, PCI parity Error ! Press F1 to continue, F2 to reboot.... |
| 00:33.13 | Seb | baseball ? |
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| 00:33.20 | Guerin | resiak: sadly, not |
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| 00:33.24 | raden | I cant do nothing but flip the power supply switch to shutdown |
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| 00:33.31 | mfrisch | football here |
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| 00:33.42 | Guerin | raden: never seen that one |
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| 00:33.48 | raden | im confussed |
| 00:33.52 | Seb | raden: how about your go buy that PS right now ? |
| 00:34.07 | Seb | s/your/you/ |
| 00:34.09 | raden | only thing i can thing of is a conflict in the PCI bridge in the onboard chip[set |
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| 00:34.15 | slim | madra..: I'm using udev too |
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| 00:34.34 | Bhaal | Anyone else having problems with the sid gpg signature file for Packages and Releases? |
| 00:34.37 | Guerin | i don't think that's psu |
| 00:34.38 | mfrisch | Why is metalog not is sarge |
| 00:34.38 | FieldySnuts | replace the damn PSU already, and not with that compaq POS |
| 00:34.41 | raden | Seb, no where in this town or anywhere within 40 miels to get one besides my place and I bet its the board now that im getting PCI errors |
| 00:34.47 | FieldySnuts | ~badger/os |
| 00:34.49 | Guerin | that sounds like broken pci -> mobo to me |
| 00:34.52 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: badger/os ? |
| 00:34.57 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: badgeros? |
| 00:34.58 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:34.59 | FieldySnuts | fuck it |
| 00:35.00 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:35.02 | FieldySnuts | ... |
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| 00:35.10 | raden | *grabs linux box throws out window * |
| 00:35.12 | Seb | FieldySnuts: shut up |
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| 00:35.18 | Seb | I just had to |
| 00:35.19 | FieldySnuts | Seb: chew raw tuckey. |
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| 00:35.36 | dvs | tuckey? Yuck! |
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| 00:35.39 | Seb | !dict tuckey |
| 00:35.41 | dpkg | could not find definition for tuckey |
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| 00:35.44 | Seb | hmmm |
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| 00:35.55 | mfrisch | tofurkey |
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| 00:36.05 | Guerin | mfrisch: don't need to chew that |
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| 00:36.08 | dvs | Ohh! Even worse! |
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| 00:37.08 | Alinux | hello, how can I check with wich version of gcc, kernel is compiled? |
| 00:37.12 | raden | anyone tried the cele D 64 bit yet ? |
| 00:37.21 | raden | I got extra procs and no mobos :( |
| 00:37.27 | raden | or power supplies |
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| 00:37.52 | madradrone | slim: alsa? |
| 00:37.54 | Alinux | someone knows? |
| 00:38.11 | FieldySnuts | ask a coherent question, maybe |
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| 00:38.33 | Seb | FieldySnuts: this was perfectly parsable. However I don't know the answer. |
| 00:38.43 | Alinux | my english is poor. |
| 00:39.04 | Alinux | I need to know gcc version that compilet a kernel. |
| 00:39.05 | slim | mandradrone: yes alsaconf |
| 00:39.08 | Seb | FieldySnuts: "how does one find out which version of gcc was used to compile the currently running kernel?" |
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| 00:39.14 | FieldySnuts | leave me alone |
| 00:39.16 | peterS | Alinux: cat /proc/version |
| 00:39.25 | LightVision | how can I run 4 commands at once? eg, I want to run firestarter, apt-get update, rkhuner --update and then freshclam all at one time using some sort of script or batch file |
| 00:39.28 | Seb | FieldySnuts: sure |
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| 00:39.33 | Seb | FieldySnuts: i'ma try |
| 00:39.36 | Seb | hah |
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| 00:39.52 | peterS | Seb: I'm with you, it's hard to believe a native speaker of English would be unable to parse that |
| 00:39.55 | dvs | LightVision: Put a "&" at the end of each command. |
| 00:40.01 | Seb | peterS: indeed |
| 00:40.10 | slim | mandradrone: I used mkmod for parport then it was ok and after reboot ... no more parport ... |
| 00:40.19 | Seb | peterS: FieldySnuts is just sorta angry right now, it's all |
| 00:40.26 | Guerin | LightVision: #bash |
| 00:40.33 | Guerin | !tell LightVision about abs guide |
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| 00:40.34 | peterS | Seb: I just walked in, so I've got no context in my head |
| 00:40.37 | Alinux | peterS, thank yuo a lot. :)it's real help! |
| 00:40.37 | LightVision | dvs: you mean type "firestarter&apt-get update&rkhuner --update&freshclam" ? |
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| 00:40.47 | Seb | peterS: heh, you ain't missing much, man :) |
| 00:40.48 | peterS | LightVision: that'll work |
| 00:40.52 | dvs | LightVision: No, put them on separate lines |
| 00:41.01 | peterS | dvs: you can but it's not needed |
| 00:41.03 | Guerin | dvs: hello! he wants them on ONE line |
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| 00:41.05 | dvs | peterS: Really? |
| 00:41.09 | Seb | dvs: yeah |
| 00:41.12 | JEisen83 | Okay, this is not quite a Debian questoin but I don't quite know where to turn to right now, and you guys have generally been the most knowledgable people I've come across. I've got a Win2k laptop where the OS just died. The HD is still intact, using different utilities I can see the files, and I'm going to reinstall the OS. However, I need to get some files off of it onto a network share. I've been able to find utils that see network |
| 00:41.14 | Alinux | FieldySnuts, if yuo can't help, please don't comment my english quality. |
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| 00:41.21 | peterS | dvs: try it. & is a command separator just like ; but it also runs your command in the background |
| 00:41.21 | Guerin | !iydkdg dvs |
| 00:41.24 | LightVision | dvs: seperate lines??? that defeats the purpose of only typing one command |
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| 00:41.31 | Seb | JEisen83: boot knoppix or some other live cd distro |
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| 00:41.48 | Seb | LightVision: one line is ok |
| 00:41.53 | JEisen83 | Seb: That'll do everything I need? Can mount 98 shares R/W? |
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| 00:41.56 | Guerin | !iydkdg dvs |
| 00:41.57 | dpkg | dvs: If You Don't Know, Don't Guess.. |
| 00:42.00 | dvs | LightVision: I though that he wanted it in a batch file and wants them to run at the same time |
| 00:42.00 | peterS | dvs: 'foo & disown' is a personal favorite. disown is a bash builtin that removes the active background job from the list of controlled jobs |
| 00:42.08 | Seb | JEisen83: sure, whatever a regular linux could do |
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| 00:42.20 | whitehorse1 | well. flavio's ati driver install completed ok according to synaptic. i assume i reboot now and on return to kde i'll be able to just select a higher screen res that the ati card supports |
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| 00:42.31 | whitehorse1 | on/off the mark? |
| 00:42.44 | Seb | whitehorse1: nope, just stop kdm, edit the X config file, and restart kdm |
| 00:42.48 | kimo | guys, cups on remote machine is only listening to localhost, is there anyway I can use ssh port forwarding to emulate listening to any host ? |
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| 00:43.09 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone ever try this like minimac or laptop for free kind of things? |
| 00:43.13 | Seb | whitehorse1: you need to set the driver in your X config to ati or something, I think. Unless flavio's packages do that, I'm not sure |
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| 00:43.26 | slim | mandradrone : no ideas ? |
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| 00:43.51 | peterS | kimo: yes. hold on a sec let me find the exact flag to use |
| 00:43.54 | LightVision | dvs: yes I wanted to have all 4 commands run from a script or bacth file, so I only have to type for example "run" and it will run a bacth file that exceutes ALL 4 commands after each other |
| 00:44.07 | kimo | peterS, WOW, thnx waiting. ... |
| 00:44.09 | madradrone | slim: sorry, i was disconnected. you loaded the alsa sound module? |
| 00:44.17 | whitehorse1 | yikes. /me looks embarassed :/. 1) stop kdm - erm, how? 2) edit the xconfig file, er where? :-(. being a clueless noob sucks sometimes |
| 00:44.17 | madradrone | slim: and parport_pc ? |
| 00:44.21 | slim | mandradrone : yes |
| 00:44.25 | peterS | kimo: ssh -R 631:localhost:631 |
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| 00:44.28 | Seb | LightVision: alias run='one & two & three& four&', then simply run 'run' |
| 00:44.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell whitehorse1 -about nodm |
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| 00:44.36 | dvs | LightVision: If you want one after another then put each command on a separate line. |
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| 00:44.40 | peterS | kimo: should forward "localhost port 631" to the other end's "localhost port 631" |
| 00:44.42 | madradrone | slim: is alsa-base and alsa-utils installed? |
| 00:44.45 | raden | how is debian support for the intel EMT64 |
| 00:44.47 | resiak | dvs: No. Just no. |
| 00:44.55 | slim | mandradrone : both are visible with lsmod |
| 00:44.59 | resiak | JEisen83: Truncated at " utils that see network", and no, this isn't a Debian question. See also samba and friends. |
| 00:44.59 | Seb | dondelelcaro: he might be running kdm anyway |
| 00:45.01 | kimo | peterS, did u ever try that ? |
| 00:45.01 | slim | mandradrone: yes |
| 00:45.06 | LightVision | dvs: put each command on a separate line where??? |
| 00:45.07 | Seb | whitehorse1: /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 00:45.14 | peterS | kimo: not with cups, but I've used ssh port forwarding in the past |
| 00:45.15 | resiak | dvs: What's wrong with alias foo='cmd1; cmd2; cmd3; cmd4' ? |
| 00:45.21 | Seb | whitehorse1: then restart it, s/stop/start/ |
| 00:45.24 | LightVision | dvs: you mean in a text file? |
| 00:45.29 | peterS | kimo: wait, I think I got it backward though |
| 00:45.30 | dvs | LightVision: Yes. |
| 00:45.31 | madradrone | slim: and there is no /dev/dsp ? |
| 00:45.38 | LightVision | dvs: and then save the text file as what? |
| 00:45.44 | madradrone | slim: and parport0 ? |
| 00:45.45 | kimo | peterS, take ur time man |
| 00:45.45 | peterS | kimo: use -L instead of -R |
| 00:45.52 | peterS | kimo: so, ssh -L 631:localhost:631 |
| 00:45.53 | WildPenguin | Can anybody help with the setup of ADSL in Debian? I can use p2p but can't load any webpages... any Ideas? |
| 00:45.53 | Seb | dvs: we did mention newlines were optional, right ? |
| 00:45.56 | slim | mandradrone : no !!! |
| 00:45.58 | kimo | peterS, oh ok |
| 00:46.04 | peterS | kimo: the 'localhost:631' is relative to the other end, so it forwards to localhost on the other end |
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| 00:46.10 | Seb | WildPenguin: ping www.google.com |
| 00:46.24 | dvs | LightVision: Just a text file, put "#!/bin/sh" as the first line of the file. Add the execute bit to the file via "chmod". |
| 00:46.29 | resiak | Seb: I think that dvs will continue to spout crap, and LightVision will continue only to listen to dvs. Oh well. |
| 00:46.31 | whitehorse1 | seb: ok on it |
| 00:46.37 | Seb | resiak: exactly |
| 00:46.44 | dvs | resiak: whatever |
| 00:46.44 | WildPenguin | Can ping google.com using inbuilt modem tools but not from system |
| 00:46.45 | peterS | kimo: note that you can only forward port 631 if you are root. that's because 631 is less than 1024 so you have to be privileged to bind to it locally |
| 00:46.49 | madradrone | slim: what about hotplug or udev? |
| 00:46.49 | resiak | dvs: What's wrong with alias foo='cmd1; cmd2; cmd3; cmd4' ? |
| 00:46.55 | resiak | dvs: Please, do answer that. |
| 00:46.55 | peterS | kimo: if you aren't root, you'll have to pick a port number greater than 1023, like 6631 |
| 00:47.01 | peterS | kimo: so, ssh -L 6631:localhost:631 |
| 00:47.05 | Seb | dvs: this situation does call for an alias, not a shell script, holmes |
| 00:47.07 | slim | mandradrone: mkmod used for parport, try with pyparallel OK, reboot , no more parport ???? |
| 00:47.19 | kimo | peterS, so when ANY machine connects to port 6631 on printsrv, it will be like it's a local connection from printsrv on 631 |
| 00:47.24 | resiak | Guerin: Avoid the other channel, damog's talking about the score :) |
| 00:47.27 | LightVision | dvs: does the file need an extension? |
| 00:47.32 | dvs | LightVision: No |
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| 00:47.35 | slim | mandradrone : i don't know about hotplug and udev |
| 00:47.40 | Seb | resiak: haha, yeah, we were right :) |
| 00:47.40 | peterS | kimo: you said printsrv twice. did you mean that? |
| 00:47.42 | funkyHat | :S irssi not available from sarge repos? |
| 00:47.51 | dondelelcaro | !+info irssi-text sarge |
| 00:47.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:47.52 | resiak | !tell funkyHat -about search |
| 00:47.56 | WildPenguin | Seb: Can't ping google.com |
| 00:48.06 | madradrone | slim: pyparallel? what is that? |
| 00:48.07 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 807 kB, Installed size: 2456 kB |
| 00:48.08 | dondelelcaro | funkyHat: see above. |
| 00:48.16 | funkyHat | thanks :) |
| 00:48.17 | JEisen83 | Does anyone know if Knoppix installs with Samba by default? |
| 00:48.19 | Guerin | resiak: stupid damog |
| 00:48.20 | kimo | peterS, may be I am not clear. I just mean will this work from any other machine to printsrv |
| 00:48.23 | dondelelcaro | JEisen83: #knoppix does |
| 00:48.24 | madradrone | slim: what does ls -la /dev/parport* say? |
| 00:48.27 | slim | mandradrone: parport and dsp are in udev.rules |
| 00:48.33 | Seb | JEisen83: you can find out on knoppix.net, but it shoukd |
| 00:48.34 | LightVision | dvs: ok I did as you said and saved a file called "run". and then I changed permission to execute! now what? |
| 00:48.37 | funkyHat | thanks resiak, dondelelcaro |
| 00:48.37 | JEisen83 | dondelelcaro: Thanks. ;) Sorry. |
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| 00:48.48 | dvs | LightVision: Type "run" |
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| 00:48.52 | Seb | JEisen83: note that his was a totally knoppix related question. Inviting #knoppix |
| 00:48.58 | slim | mandradrone: pyparallel to acced to the parallel port with python |
| 00:48.59 | resiak | LightVision: Stop listening to dvs and just put alias foo='cmd1; cmd2; cmd3; etc' into your .bashrc. |
| 00:49.08 | peterS | kimo: ok say you are on a machine called kimosrv and cups is on printsrv. if you say 'ssh -L 6631:localhost:631 printsrv', anyone can connect to kimosrv port 6631 and it will look like cups |
| 00:49.16 | dvs | resiak: Give it up |
| 00:49.21 | Guerin | woah |
| 00:49.35 | Guerin | it's an incredibly stupid idea to run your firewall out of bashrc |
| 00:49.38 | peterS | kimo: actually to make sure this is available from outside kimosrv itself, you probably want: ssh -L "*:6631:localhost:631" printsrv |
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| 00:49.44 | Seb | resiak: heh, look at how it's gonna go exactly like I said :D |
| 00:49.54 | LightVision | dvs: when I typed run, it says file not found |
| 00:50.00 | Seb | hahahahahahahaha |
| 00:50.02 | dvs | LightVision: Type "./run" |
| 00:50.05 | Seb | oh man, this is *too* good |
| 00:50.07 | kimo | peterS, ahh, that's a little different than what I had in mind, one second, let me explain |
| 00:50.12 | Seb | resiak: :D |
| 00:50.13 | mfrisch | how can I redirect the ip info shorewall spits out to console to another vc? |
| 00:50.14 | peterS | please do explain |
| 00:50.14 | madradrone | slim: did you compile a kernel with devfs or something? |
| 00:50.18 | LightVision | dvs: where should I place this file called run? what folder? |
| 00:50.21 | resiak | Guerin: Oh, is that what they're doing? All I knew is that dvs was saying that it's not possible to have an alias that runs n things in succession rather than concurrently. |
| 00:50.31 | dvs | LightVision: Whereever you like. |
| 00:50.32 | resiak | Seb: Yay! |
| 00:50.38 | Seb | dvs: digging your own hole right there, homeboy... |
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| 00:50.50 | slim | madradrone: no file |
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| 00:51.06 | Guerin | resiak: yeah, one of the commands LightVision wants to run is a firewall |
| 00:51.07 | kimo | peterS, printsrv has a printer attached to it. Cups is only configured to listen locally. I want to "do something" so that any connection to printsrv will appear to cups to be "local" connection. Does this make any sense |
| 00:51.07 | LightVision | dvs: yes thanks! that all worked :) |
| 00:51.08 | dvs | Seb: I'll pile the dirt on you |
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| 00:51.12 | dondelelcaro | Seb: no need to keep up a running commentary on it... you point out the proper solution, and if people don't want to listen there's little you can do. |
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| 00:51.21 | dvs | LightVision: No problem (dispite the naysayers) |
| 00:51.23 | resiak | Guerin: Oh, shit. Why is it not being run by init ? |
| 00:51.25 | Seb | dondelelcaro: you're right. My bad. |
| 00:51.31 | peterS | kimo: the obvious solution is to reconfigure cups on printsrv |
| 00:51.35 | slim | madradrone: what do you mean ? |
| 00:51.39 | Guerin | resiak: because s/he's a moron, being helped by morons? |
| 00:51.44 | resiak | Guerin: Yay! |
| 00:51.51 | madradrone | slim: um, what i wrote ? |
| 00:51.52 | kimo | peterS, yeah which the netadmin moron is refusing |
| 00:52.02 | ma3x | hi |
| 00:52.03 | kimo | peterS, he doesnt really know how |
| 00:52.04 | peterS | kimo: if you're wanting to 'ssh localhost' on printsrv just to forward a port to the same machine ... that's an ugly workaround. though it can be done. |
| 00:52.06 | madradrone | slim: did you build a kernel? |
| 00:52.08 | ma3x | my firefox buggs all the time |
| 00:52.11 | linuxbomb | i have no sound through my tv card but I have picture ..... any pointers? |
| 00:52.13 | slim | madradrone: yes |
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| 00:52.16 | ma3x | when i open some sites containing flash or something, it just hangs |
| 00:52.19 | madradrone | pfffttt |
| 00:52.27 | Guerin | linuxbomb: plug your speakers into the tv card |
| 00:52.29 | slim | madradrone: to go from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 00:52.31 | kimo | peterS, he's a windows only moron, so yeah I have to do it this way |
| 00:52.36 | peterS | kimo: but if you really must, you can: ssh -R "*:6631:localhost:631" localhost |
| 00:52.39 | madradrone | slim: install a debian kernel. problem solved |
| 00:52.39 | whitehorse1 | Did the stop part, returned kdm not running. then the echo false ...ddm displaymanager part in the message dondel sent. then started kdm, tho it refused as not default display manager. Are you sure about the removal commands? Is it safe? ("apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove", I presume the update one is run six times one for each apt-get removed item) |
| 00:52.40 | slim | madradrone: did I miss someting |
| 00:52.45 | mfrisch | linuxbomb need cable for tv card? |
| 00:52.50 | ma3x | resiak, what about the deb sec announce, whats that? |
| 00:52.53 | LightVision | dvs: in fact thats very cool what you just taught me! WORKS GREAT! Thanks a lot my friend :) with your help, I just wrote my first working script :) And now all I need to do is type ./run instead of all those 4 commands after each other :) thank you |
| 00:52.58 | Guerin | ma3x: what do you THINK it might be? |
| 00:53.01 | Guerin | jesus |
| 00:53.10 | peterS | kimo: better would be to use a simple port forwarder such as rinetd though. you'd have to compile and run from source code since the admin is uncooperative, but it's a relatively simple program |
| 00:53.12 | Seb | whitehorse1: it is safe to remove them |
| 00:53.12 | ma3x | hey Guerin how was your trip? |
| 00:53.12 | slim | madradrone: with apt-get ? |
| 00:53.15 | dvs | LightVision: No problem |
| 00:53.16 | dondelelcaro | whitehorse1: what exactly are you tyring to do? You first said that you wanted to stop kdm; the first comand did that if it was running. |
| 00:53.17 | ma3x | you finally in the uk? |
| 00:53.19 | resiak | ma3x: Are you using Stable? They pushed out a broken Firefox update the other day, and apparently another one is now out. |
| 00:53.19 | whitehorse1 | slim: ty |
| 00:53.21 | LightVision | dvs: you da man :) |
| 00:53.27 | linuxbomb | Guerin, i use it to record onto my computer I guess I could just record video but uhh |
| 00:53.28 | LightVision | brb, playing with scripting |
| 00:53.28 | dvs | LightVision: Damn straight |
| 00:53.30 | Seb | dondelelcaro: nah, *I* said he wanted to do that, sinc ehe mentioned using kde |
| 00:53.33 | kimo | peterS, why is this better |
| 00:53.34 | ma3x | resiak, was that update for unstable or stable? |
| 00:53.46 | resiak | ma3x: It was for stable. |
| 00:53.47 | peterS | kimo: rinetd will have less overhead, although I don't know how much you care about wasted computation and latency on printsrv |
| 00:53.53 | whitehorse1 | dondel: well, I had been trying to ...actually seb just told ya so i'll shush :) |
| 00:53.54 | reisio | is "kawfee" banned for any particular reason? |
| 00:53.56 | Guerin | linuxbomb: you neec to make sure the sound portion of your tv card is properly loaded, plugged in, and set to record as well |
| 00:54.00 | madradrone | slim: yes. apt-cache search kernel | egrep -i 2.6 to find one |
| 00:54.06 | dvs | reisio: You don't know the half of it |
| 00:54.08 | peterS | reisio: he was banned a year and a half ago for sexual and other harassment |
| 00:54.09 | Guerin | reisio: several hundred reasons |
| 00:54.15 | Seb | whitehorse1: type that apt-get remofe ... line, that should drop you to console mode |
| 00:54.18 | reisio | okay, cool :) |
| 00:54.19 | kimo | peterS, not much :) |
| 00:54.22 | whitehorse1 | seb: k |
| 00:54.23 | madradrone | slim: apt-cache search kernel-image | egrep -i 2.6 ... |
| 00:54.24 | peterS | reisio: as far as I know, nobody is of a mind to reevaluate this (: |
| 00:54.26 | resiak | ma3x: Hence "Are you using Stable". |
| 00:54.31 | linuxbomb | Guerin, thats where I'm at how do i tell if my sound portion is properly loaded? |
| 00:54.37 | dondelelcaro | whitehorse1: yeah, in your case you just /etc/init.d/kdm restart; that's all you needed to do. |
| 00:54.39 | slim | madradrone: I try thanks |
| 00:54.41 | kimo | peterS, know if windows machines will be able to print to 6631 that we just defined ? |
| 00:54.42 | Guerin | linuxbomb: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 00:54.42 | ma3x | resiak, nope |
| 00:54.49 | asuffield | peterS: why the hell do you remember some idiot from 18 months ago? |
| 00:54.51 | dondelelcaro | whitehorse1: ctrl-alt-f1 if you couldn't get to a console |
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| 00:54.55 | Seb | dondelelcaro: he's *not* using kdm I think :) |
| 00:54.55 | madradrone | slim: then take a close look at the config for it in /boot to learn what options to use |
| 00:54.55 | resiak | ma3x: You're using Sid? Have you checked the BTS? |
| 00:55.00 | peterS | asuffield: he was truly a first-class idiot |
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| 00:55.09 | ma3x | resiak, whats bts? |
| 00:55.14 | resiak | !btssmite ma3x |
| 00:55.14 | ma3x | !bts |
| 00:55.15 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 00:55.15 | Guerin | !kill ma3x |
| 00:55.15 | whitehorse1 | seb|dondel: shall i just try all the commands? |
| 00:55.23 | asuffield | I don't remember idiots from last week |
| 00:55.28 | ma3x | haha |
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| 00:55.34 | whitehorse1 | which were suggested i mean |
| 00:55.37 | ma3x | Guerin, you didnt tell me |
| 00:55.39 | Seb | whitehorse1: you start with this apt-get remove ... line |
| 00:55.41 | ma3x | you're not in the mood? |
| 00:55.42 | Seb | whitehorse1: then we shall see |
| 00:55.43 | dondelelcaro | whitehorse1: no. What DM are you using? xdm kdm gdm? what? |
| 00:55.48 | Seb | haha |
| 00:55.55 | linuxbomb | Guerin, no soundcards --- |
| 00:55.55 | Seb | dondelelcaro: k I'll leave it to you :) |
| 00:55.56 | madradrone | slim: devfs is deprecated. don't use it. |
| 00:56.00 | kimo | peterS, know if windows machines will be able to print to 6631 that we just defined ? |
| 00:56.20 | Guerin | linuxbomb: lspci |
| 00:56.24 | dondelelcaro | Seb: yeah, removing would probably do it too; but I assumed that he wanted to keep the DM... |
| 00:56.24 | peterS | kimo: I'm afraid I don't remember how to tell a win2000 machine to print to an IPP address. so I don't remember if you can specify a port number |
| 00:56.37 | Seb | dondelelcaro: probably, yeah |
| 00:56.44 | kimo | peterS, one more thing, to issue that ssh -R, I have to be actually on machine "printsrv" right? |
| 00:56.51 | dondelelcaro | peterS: there are some wierd drivers to do it iirc... but they do accept a port. |
| 00:56.59 | linuxbomb | Guerin, Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture |
| 00:57.08 | peterS | kimo: if you want 'printsrv' to export something on port 6631, you most certainly will need to be logged on there when you tell it that |
| 00:57.20 | Guerin | linuxbomb: should be an audio device on there, too |
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| 00:57.32 | peterS | actually that's ... not ... quite ... true, but the alternative is even hackier |
| 00:57.40 | whitehorse1 | seb: okay. dondelcaro: er... :( |
| 00:57.55 | kimo | peterS, easy man, I am just a mortal. First time to forward any kind of port :) Thanks a million though... This is awesome |
| 00:57.56 | Seb | whitehorse1: dpkg -l "*dm" | grep ii |
| 00:57.58 | asuffield | you tell windows to use a 'printer on the internet' and give it an http URL |
| 00:58.00 | linuxbomb | Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller |
| 00:58.06 | asuffield | then it does IPP |
| 00:58.08 | peterS | kimo: do you have a linux box handy where you *are* root? |
| 00:58.17 | kimo | peterS, yes |
| 00:58.18 | peterS | kimo: like one on the same network as printsrv |
| 00:58.24 | kimo | peterS, yes |
| 00:58.32 | peterS | kimo: in that case, install rinetd on *that* and point its port 631 to printsrv:631 in /etc/rinetd.conf |
| 00:58.41 | Covener | linuxbomb: there's about a billion guides to getting the audio device activated on those cards. Try searching for 'alsa btaudio' |
| 00:58.49 | peterS | kimo: then your own linux box will be the new print server and it'll use port 631 and everything |
| 00:59.05 | kimo | peterS, ok that another good solution, thnx again |
| 00:59.10 | peterS | good luck, dude |
| 00:59.17 | Seb | peterS: but if his printserv only accept connections fomr localhost ... ? |
| 00:59.25 | peterS | kimo: fortunately rinetd is just an 'apt-get install rinetd' away, and the configuration isn't all that hard |
| 00:59.30 | whitehorse1 | Using all 3 apparently. No wonder nothing works! ;p ii gdm 2.6.0.8-1 GNOME Display Manager || ii kdm 3.3.2-1 KDE Display Manager || ii xdm 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 X display manager. |
| 00:59.33 | peterS | Seb: oh point. I forgot that. bleh. |
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| 00:59.42 | peterS | kimo: ok never mind, can't do that, I was completely not thinking there |
| 00:59.43 | Seb | dondelelcaro: now what ? :) |
| 00:59.53 | Guerin | linuxbomb: that VIA audio controller is probably your onboard - you almost certainly want to turn it off in bios |
| 01:00.05 | kimo | the localhost thing ... ok |
| 01:00.10 | peterS | kimo: what you'd need to do is, on this other linux box, ssh -R "*:631:localhost:631" printsrv |
| 01:00.12 | Yannick | Hi all. I'm tunning the amd64 version of sarge, but defaut kernek have a bug against sound on mother board ASUS A8N-E. I upgraded to kernel from etch, but it is compiled with gcc 3.4, sarge is gcc 3.3 . I need to add a module for my webcam (module pwc) but the package is compiled with gcc 3.3 and the new kernel with gcc 3.4 . After this little introduction, i wish to know how i can switch beteween the command "gcc" and "gcc |
| 01:00.12 | Yannick | -3.4" to make the source of pcw match those from the kernel ? |
| 01:00.14 | peterS | kimo: ...as root |
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| 01:00.23 | peterS | kimo: since root is able to bind local 631 |
| 01:00.47 | Seb | Yannick: "CC=gcc-... make" ? |
| 01:00.58 | peterS | kimo: root doesn't need to ssh in as root remotely, it just needs to be root locally. it can ssh to some non-root account on printsrv, and you can set it up with an ssh key so it can do it without a password |
| 01:01.39 | Guerin | Yannick: set CC variable, or manually change the symlink /usr/bin/gcc to point to /usr/bin/gcc-whatever |
| 01:01.42 | Seb | peterS: ooooh, you're gonna recommend passwordless ssh keys ? :p |
| 01:01.56 | Yannick | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.56 | Yannick | *** Warning: "cleanup_module" [/home/yan/install/kernel/amd64/pwcx/pwc-10.0.7a/pwc.ko] undefined! |
| 01:01.56 | Yannick | *** Warning: "init_module" [/home/yan/install/kernel/amd64/pwcx/pwc-10.0.7a/pwc.ko] undefined! |
| 01:01.59 | Seb | Guerin: couldn't that be handled by alternatives or something ? |
| 01:02.00 | kimo | peterS, anyway my root box is my laptop, so it's not a good idea. I will prolly go with the first 6631->631 thing |
| 01:02.07 | peterS | Seb: I'd rather do that than have to set up the tunnel manually by logging in on console every time the secondary machine boots |
| 01:02.09 | Guerin | Yannick: there is another environment variable you might need to set to build kernels, but I can't call it to mind |
| 01:02.13 | Yannick | the symlink ! thx ! |
| 01:02.16 | Guerin | Seb: it could be, but it isn't |
| 01:02.20 | Seb | Guerin: k |
| 01:02.39 | slim | madradrone : ok |
| 01:02.42 | peterS | kimo: so back to plan A, and you can just try to figure out how to specify a port number in IPP in windows 2000 or XP |
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| 01:02.47 | Seb | Guerin: KSRC, KVERS ? |
| 01:02.47 | dondelelcaro | whitehorse1: pick which one you plan on using, and remove the other two. |
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| 01:02.56 | kimo | peterS, yeah I am on it now... |
| 01:03.03 | Guerin | Seb: nope |
| 01:03.07 | TwistedEmotions | Hey what is the name of that John Cusack film that every woman likes? |
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| 01:03.13 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: all of them? |
| 01:03.17 | Seb | TwistedEmotions: imdb.com ? |
| 01:03.19 | Covener | TwistedEmotions: say anything? |
| 01:03.32 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Errr.. the one with him outside a windows with a stereo? |
| 01:03.38 | whitehorse1 | ii gdm 2.6.0.8-1 GNOME Display Manager || ii kdm 3.3.2-1 KDE Display Manager || ii xdm 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 X display manager. |
| 01:03.40 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: highfidelity |
| 01:03.47 | TwistedEmotions | Awww... there we go. |
| 01:03.48 | whitehorse1 | any adv's/ disadv's to each? |
| 01:03.49 | Seb | whitehorse1: you're using kde, go all out and use kdm |
| 01:03.51 | TwistedEmotions | Thanks |
| 01:03.58 | peterS | kimo: I note, btw, that some features of IPP, in particular automatic server/printer discovery, will not work. that requires broadcasts to UDP 631. you'll have to type in your server name or IP by hand |
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| 01:04.19 | whitehorse1 | kdm = 'better' er graphically than xdm then yep? |
| 01:04.20 | MorphO | hi all i need help about my ATI IGP 340M, i've tried to compile a new kernel with fglrx driver has DRM module but when I do a modprobe fglrx, the output tell me this device does not exist, I don't understand on Gentoo it work fine |
| 01:04.21 | slim | madradrone : it's on his way ... installing 2.6.8 |
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| 01:04.30 | Guerin | whitehorse1: xdm is simple and always works as expected, but doesn't give you nice choices. gdm is complicated and sometimes works as expected, but gives you nice choices |
| 01:04.31 | Covener | whitehorse1: gdm the prettiest IMO |
| 01:04.31 | Seb | whitehorse1: just pick kdm, man, and let's get it over with :) |
| 01:04.41 | Guerin | kdm == gdm |
| 01:04.44 | kimo | peterS, yeah I understand |
| 01:04.45 | kimo | peterS, another thing I was thinking is installing a wrapper lpd on printsrv with non root account? what do u think about that |
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| 01:04.51 | Seb | hrm I meant kdm |
| 01:04.53 | AlinuxOS | hello dear debian users!that's my problem. after installing a 2.6.12 vanilla kernel, I can't see boot messages anymore. my menu.list contains "vga=794 quiet splash" for 17" 1280x1024 resolution. so I had to use vga=normal, but it's horrible :( what can I do? |
| 01:04.54 | Seb | yeah kdm |
| 01:05.01 | Seb | whatever |
| 01:05.04 | peterS | kimo: lpd needs a privileged port too (TCP 515) |
| 01:05.10 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: are you sure that's the one? I remember that movie being a like 80's movie? |
| 01:05.13 | Guerin | AlinuxOS: instaall debian kernel |
| 01:05.15 | peterS | kimo: i.e., needs to run as root |
| 01:05.16 | MorphO | i'm on debian stable release with kernel 2.6.8 |
| 01:05.18 | kimo | peterS, damned |
| 01:05.26 | Seb | AlinuxOS: use a debian precompiled kernel image |
| 01:05.35 | whitehorse1 | covener: I use KDE rather than Gnome though. So the Gnome Display Manager's probably the wrong one. Is there a table on the web comparing the other two? |
| 01:05.39 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: since i'm guessing, then no, i can't be sure. It's not an '80s movie, though. Late 90s. |
| 01:05.43 | resiak | whitehorse1: Just try both. |
| 01:05.43 | peterS | kimo: there's a *reason* for this Unix feature of denying non-root users the use of privileged ports. it's so people can't run official-looking services behind the admin's back (: |
| 01:05.47 | AlinuxOS | Guerin, I need 2.6.12 for some isues. |
| 01:05.52 | slim | madradrone : Ok I'm trying ircyou :) |
| 01:05.56 | kimo | :) |
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| 01:06.03 | Covener | whitehorse1: they don't do very much. It doesn't really matter what kind of session you chose being tied to the DM. |
| 01:06.05 | MorphO | does anyone can help me please |
| 01:06.06 | Seb | peterS: what country are "reverse-smileys" from ? :) |
| 01:06.08 | Overand | Are there issues with the Emu 10k (Soundblaster Live! series) and distorition? |
| 01:06.13 | peterS | kimo: which is, you know, exactly what you're trying to do |
| 01:06.14 | dondelelcaro | peterS: but it's not like you can't run lpd on an unprivledged port... |
| 01:06.18 | FieldySnuts | southern hemisphere</troll> |
| 01:06.20 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Ahh .. kk .. trying to find a way to kill my appologize. |
| 01:06.20 | whitehorse1 | resiak: at once? I have all 3 @ the mo |
| 01:06.26 | Guerin | AlinuxOS: 2.6.11 won't do? |
| 01:06.26 | peterS | dondelelcaro: you can but it buys you little over running a port forwarder for cups |
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| 01:06.30 | whitehorse1 | Overand: yes, yes and yes. |
| 01:06.32 | resiak | whitehorse1: Erm, you only use one at a time. |
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| 01:06.46 | TwistedEmotions | **applogize |
| 01:06.49 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I mean you still have to tell the clients to look on a nonstandard port, and in addition you have to tell them you're using a sucky protocol |
| 01:06.55 | Seb | whitehorse1: installed != running |
| 01:07.02 | bucky | AlinuxOS, is this in ubuntu? |
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| 01:07.05 | kimo | peterS, bingo it seems I can specify a port number in IPP :) |
| 01:07.06 | dondelelcaro | peterS: hey, lpd is great! |
| 01:07.08 | Covener | Striking out on google -- if I know the PPD I want and all that, is there a simple command line way to create a new cups printer? |
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| 01:07.19 | peterS | kimo: cool. good luck getting everything to talk to everything |
| 01:07.21 | resiak | AlinuxOS: Use a Debian 2.6.12 kernel image. HTH HAND. |
| 01:07.26 | bucky | Yannick, you can change cc with update-alternatives |
| 01:07.29 | Seb | Covener: well no |
| 01:07.33 | Guerin | there are 2.6.12 debian kernels? |
| 01:07.35 | peterS | bucky: you cannot |
| 01:07.36 | Covener | (links/w3m aside) wiseasses :) |
| 01:07.39 | Guerin | bucky: no, you can't |
| 01:07.47 | kimo | peterS, know how do I access the printer via tcp? http://printsrv:6631/printername ? |
| 01:07.51 | peterS | bucky: oh, sorry, yes you can, you just can't change gcc that way |
| 01:07.57 | peterS | Guerin: we stand corrected. he said cc |
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| 01:08.08 | resiak | !info linux-image-2.6 |
| 01:08.08 | whitehorse1 | resiak: oh, well I've all 3 installed. not sure how to determine what does = running. sigh... |
| 01:08.08 | V4mp | resiak: linux-image-2.6 |
| 01:08.09 | Guerin | oh |
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| 01:08.11 | whitehorse1 | Overand: http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&message.id=19559&query.id=187755#M19559 |
| 01:08.12 | peterS | kimo: something like that |
| 01:08.24 | resiak | V4mp: Yes, I'm well aware that there are Debian 2.6.12s. |
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| 01:08.26 | dondelelcaro | bucky: you can, but you almost never want to do that; set HOSTCC or CC or whatever the makefile is using instead. |
| 01:08.27 | whitehorse1 | Overand: I've same card btw. |
| 01:08.28 | resiak | Erm. |
| 01:08.35 | kimo | peterS, you're worth gold man. Thanks a million |
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| 01:08.46 | Seb | !beer peterS |
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| 01:08.56 | peterS | kimo: still no proof that any of this *works*. cups might be a bastard and purposely break such things |
| 01:09.02 | resiak | Huh, I guess there actually aren't. My bad all, sorry. |
| 01:09.09 | Guerin | there are |
| 01:09.10 | MorphO | hi all i need help about my ATI IGP 340M, i've tried to compile a new kernel with fglrx driver has DRM module but when I do a modprobe fglrx, the output tell me this device does not exist, I don't understand on Gentoo it work fine |
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| 01:09.16 | AlinuxOS | resiak, no possibility to do this without using debian image. |
| 01:09.20 | kimo | peterS, lol yeah I know, cant wait to get their and test this out |
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| 01:09.33 | resiak | AlinuxOS: I don't know, but using a Debian image will make your life easier |
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| 01:09.40 | AlinuxOS | sad think is that I have worked 3 hours :) in make menuconfig menu :) |
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| 01:09.43 | Guerin | !info linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 sid |
| 01:09.44 | V4mp | Guerin: linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 01:09.49 | AlinuxOS | so it works fast :) |
| 01:09.49 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.12-1-686: (Linux kernel 2.6.12 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-5 (sid), Packaged size: 16326 kB, Installed size: 45808 kB |
| 01:10.25 | dvs | old habit die hard |
| 01:10.27 | TraumGeist | !info kde3.4 |
| 01:10.28 | V4mp | TraumGeist: kde3.4 |
| 01:10.38 | Guerin | V4mp: turn that script off |
| 01:10.44 | Guerin | lest you be turned off instead |
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| 01:11.26 | resiak | What a totally pointless script, anyway... |
| 01:11.33 | Guerin | yesindeed |
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| 01:12.08 | dvs | ha |
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| 01:12.41 | Overand | whitehorse1: interesting. |
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| 01:13.00 | Overand | I didn't notice the issues on my last sound rig, but now I'm using Mackie HR824 monitors, and there's just... distortion |
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| 01:13.13 | Overand | I'm actually kind of ticked about it |
| 01:13.22 | whitehorse1 | I've same prob, no solution as yet! sorry :) |
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| 01:13.28 | Overand | I don't want to have to power down the machine to replace the card |
| 01:13.28 | Overand | heh |
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| 01:13.37 | Overand | Maybe I'll use one of my USb sound devices. =/ |
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| 01:13.45 | concept10 | i have problems with my monitors also :) |
| 01:13.55 | Overand | concept10: what monitors do you use? |
| 01:13.56 | whitehorse1 | Know whatcha mean, card's fine. bleh. which're you using btw, alsa? |
| 01:14.03 | Overand | er |
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| 01:14.03 | Overand | duh |
| 01:14.05 | Overand | =] |
| 01:14.09 | concept10 | alesis m1 active |
| 01:14.11 | Overand | whitehorse1: i don't even remember |
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| 01:14.30 | Overand | concept10: your nick betrays you. http://www.tnt-audio.com/casse/daliconcept10_e.html |
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| 01:14.33 | concept10 | Overand: the master fader on my mixer is crap, I need to open it and fix it |
| 01:14.36 | Seb | whitehorse1: so how this ati/glx thing going ? |
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| 01:15.12 | FieldySnuts | stupid clones |
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| 01:15.14 | concept10 | Overand: they owe me royalties |
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| 01:15.41 | dvs | FieldySnuts: Maybe they should make a movie about attacking clones... oh wait a minute.... they did |
| 01:15.46 | concept10 | Overand: you use linux for audio ? Sequencing maybe? |
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| 01:16.40 | whitehorse1 | seb: just finished Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/_ALL_dm and then typed echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, as instructed. |
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| 01:16.56 | WildPenguin | Seb: Can now ping google.com but still can't show any webpages. Where to from here? |
| 01:17.04 | slim | madradrone : still there ? |
| 01:17.16 | Seb | WildPenguin: you have to use a proxy maybe ? |
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| 01:17.33 | Guerin | WildPenguin: see what's blocking 80 |
| 01:17.36 | whitehorse1 | seb: apt install kdm or synaptic or something? |
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| 01:17.42 | slim | madradrone : now on 2.6.8 and the same appened !!! |
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| 01:17.48 | nvz | or you have specified a proxy setting in the browser that is not valid |
| 01:17.53 | Seb | whitehorse1: apt-get install kdm |
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| 01:18.00 | WildPenguin | Seb: Im on *gasp* Windows now, no proxy was needed. |
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| 01:18.12 | whitehorse1 | ooh i was close |
| 01:18.14 | slim | NO /dev/dsp and no /dev/parport0 !!! |
| 01:18.16 | Overand | concept10: most of my pro audio work is in windows, actually |
| 01:18.25 | whitehorse1 | balls. |
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| 01:18.27 | Seb | whitehorse1: but you shouldn't have rmeoved anything form /etc/init.d/, apt-get remove kdm gdm is what you need |
| 01:18.29 | FieldySnuts | s/\!\!\!// |
| 01:18.40 | Overand | for the time being, the pro audio multitrack software on windows is just better, if proprietary =/ |
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| 01:18.50 | FieldySnuts | so much for Freedom |
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| 01:19.10 | Overand | But I've got an MPD rig running, and it's run into my mixer |
| 01:19.11 | Overand | buut |
| 01:19.14 | WildPenguin | Guerin: How would I check? |
| 01:19.16 | whitehorse1 | seb: thats what I typed, what dondro sent me I mean. the console returned that message for each one thats all |
| 01:19.17 | whitehorse1 | kdm is already the newest version. |
| 01:19.17 | whitehorse1 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:19.23 | Xenguy | I'm getting the following error when trying to apt-get some different packages -> E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 01:19.24 | Overand | it sounds distorted due to that wonderful SB Live! card =/ |
| 01:19.29 | Xenguy | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 01:19.35 | pipeline | Overand: Turn down your volume. |
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| 01:19.47 | Overand | pipeline: haha |
| 01:19.47 | Xenguy | Does anyone know what the best course of action is? |
| 01:19.49 | Seb | whitehorse1: good. So now start kdm |
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| 01:20.05 | pipeline | Overand: The SBL has an absolutely fucking great SNR on the outputs. There's no reason you should have distortion unless you have the volume too high in the mixer. |
| 01:20.06 | nvz | freedom was burnt down by GWB years ago |
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| 01:20.12 | pipeline | Overand: The Windows drivers limit your volume for that reason. |
| 01:20.18 | Seb | Xenguy: yeah, "activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option" :) |
| 01:20.18 | Overand | pipeline: google "sound blaster live distortion" |
| 01:20.18 | whitehorse1 | kdm -start yes? |
| 01:20.19 | ke6isf | Xenguy: What are you trying to install? =O.o= |
| 01:20.21 | FieldySnuts | ~troll nvz |
| 01:20.23 | apt | ACTION hereby declares nvz a troll |
| 01:20.23 | Overand | there's a bug in the driver or something |
| 01:20.30 | Seb | whitehorse1: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 01:20.30 | pipeline | Overand: Also, for future reference, the DACs on the rear outputs are usually better :P |
| 01:20.32 | Overand | and it's not *noise*, it's distortion |
| 01:20.34 | ke6isf | Xenguy: Semi important, what version of Debian are you running? |
| 01:20.36 | Overand | pipeline: i've heard that actually |
| 01:20.38 | Xenguy | Seb: I have no idea what that is, or how to activate it |
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| 01:20.44 | FieldySnuts | then turn the bloody output down |
| 01:20.50 | nvz | if'n I am a troll, you are troll bait |
| 01:20.53 | Overand | FieldySnuts: the output is already painfully low |
| 01:20.55 | Seb | Xenguy: man apt.conf |
| 01:20.56 | Xenguy | ke6isf: sid; different packages give same error |
| 01:20.56 | FieldySnuts | sweet! |
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| 01:21.01 | whitehorse1 | "Not starting K Display Manager (kdm); it is not the default display manager." well what IS!! aaah :( |
| 01:21.04 | Xenguy | Seb: tx, I"ll check that |
| 01:21.05 | ke6isf | *fold* |
| 01:21.07 | pipeline | Overand: Nothing interesting comes up. What am I supposed to be looking for? |
| 01:21.10 | Overand | I'll keep going down. |
| 01:21.15 | Overand | pipeline: http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&message.id=19559&query.id=187755#M19559 |
| 01:21.20 | pipeline | whitehorse1: If you dpkg-reconfigure kdm, xdm, or gdm, it'll ask which you want |
| 01:21.32 | Overand | pipeline: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-October/041458.html |
| 01:21.36 | FieldySnuts | heh it's creative, you get what you pay for |
| 01:21.46 | wjl | whitehorse1: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager -- will show the currently active one |
| 01:21.53 | whitehorse1 | ty wjl |
| 01:22.04 | pipeline | Overand: That thread appears to be about the problem I just described. If you take the volume over ~80%, you get distortion. Go figure. |
| 01:22.09 | kimo | peterS, sorry, what's the star doing in: ssh -R "*:6631:localhost:631" localhost |
| 01:22.13 | Seb | whitehorse1: dpkg-reconfigure kdm, cause you set the default wm to false |
| 01:22.20 | whitehorse1 | wjl: it just says "false". |
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| 01:22.24 | Coag | dinner |
| 01:22.25 | Overand | pipeline: the volume is below that level by a good chunk |
| 01:22.26 | whitehorse1 | yep what seb said 8) |
| 01:22.40 | peterS | kimo: 'man ssh' will tell. but briefly it says "bind port 631 to all IP addresses, not just localhost or not just a.b.c.d" |
| 01:22.44 | Seb | whitehorse1: you did *everything* that was in that nodm factoid, you needed only one of the three |
| 01:22.45 | Overand | However, I brought it down even more (main at 60ish, PCM at 60ish) |
| 01:22.46 | samuel | Alba gu bra! |
| 01:22.50 | wjl | whitehorse1: either use dpkg-reconfigure kdm like some have suggested, or edit that file to put the full path to kdm in it |
| 01:22.55 | peterS | kimo: otherwise you get the default setting from some file, and I can't tell you offhand what that is |
| 01:23.00 | Overand | now I'm going to have to crank the preamp gain on my Mackie mixer |
| 01:23.09 | whitehorse1 | seb: yep all of them. using the dpkg thing now |
| 01:23.11 | Overand | it's already above unity |
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| 01:23.35 | peterS | kimo: in fact I *can* tell you. by default it only binds to localhost, so yes the *: is needed to override that |
| 01:23.36 | whitehorse1 | Should it only ask me one question? I selected kde and 'ok' and it exited out |
| 01:23.44 | kimo | peterS, thnx, actually I was looking at the manual "-R port:host:hostport" only 3 entries which got me asking |
| 01:23.45 | samuel | how is everyone today? Scotland tied 1-1 with Italy! this is good news!!!! Scotland is not the best, but it held italy to 1-1!!!!!!! Alba gu bra! |
| 01:23.45 | whitehorse1 | i'll re-run |
| 01:23.53 | kimo | peterS, ok thnx |
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| 01:24.07 | Seb | riiiight |
| 01:24.11 | dvs | samuel: I never knew they played tennis. ;-) |
| 01:24.12 | FieldySnuts | samuel: go tell a network that cares |
| 01:24.21 | ke6isf | samuel: What's that to do with the price of tea? |
| 01:24.31 | Seb | the price of *gas* |
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| 01:24.35 | Seb | heh |
| 01:24.41 | whitehorse1 | ok well kdm's set as the default display manager according to that; per Seb's advice. |
| 01:24.48 | samuel | dvs, football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! comon!!!! and golf!!!!!!! |
| 01:24.53 | peterS | kimo: I forget whether I told you to use -R or -L. they do opposite things, so use the right one |
| 01:24.54 | Seb | whitehorse1: good, now restart it |
| 01:24.57 | FieldySnuts | ~lart samuel |
| 01:25.05 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to get aterm to load into the background...? As in blend with the desktop and not to load in a seperate window... ? |
| 01:25.05 | kimo | peterS, ok :) |
| 01:25.06 | samuel | FieldySnuts, I care, and im on THIS network!!!!!!! |
| 01:25.09 | peterS | kimo: ahh, looks like it's -L you want |
| 01:25.10 | ke6isf | FieldySnuts: Damn, beat me to it. |
| 01:25.13 | whitehorse1 | Seb: reboot the machine you mean? or just restart kdm |
| 01:25.16 | Seb | whitehorse1: kdm |
| 01:25.17 | FieldySnuts | samuel: you are very annoying, keep it up and you won't be here long |
| 01:25.17 | TwistedEmotions | I got the transparent thing working |
| 01:25.22 | samuel | ke6isf, NOTHING! |
| 01:25.23 | Overand | pipeline: on my *audio* mixer (the actual hardware kind) I'm now applying 20db of gain to the signal coming out of that soundcard |
| 01:25.27 | Seb | whitehorse1: you *never* reboot the machine :) |
| 01:25.28 | ke6isf | !lart samuel |
| 01:25.31 | Overand | think that's a low enough output volume? =P |
| 01:25.45 | whitehorse1 | :) |
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| 01:26.04 | emRick | is there a version of "locate" with more complete regular expressions. In particular, I'd like syntax such as "$" to work properly. |
| 01:26.04 | TwistedEmotions | but cant get it to load into desktop itself... looking for something like root-tail almost.. |
| 01:26.05 | pipeline | Overand: Odd. I would chalk it up to other problems. The DAC itself is fine. I'll vouch for that much. |
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| 01:26.14 | samuel | FieldySnuts, ke6isf, FAIR ENOUGH!!!! i shut up now!!! just HAD to say it, sorry to all!!!! |
| 01:26.18 | dondelelcaro | emRick: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:26.22 | whitehorse1 | ok. said starting display manager kdm. that was all though. |
| 01:26.23 | pipeline | Overand: I'm pretty darn happy with the emu10k cards I have. |
| 01:26.24 | samuel | very sorry! |
| 01:26.25 | ke6isf | samuel: You're telling sports scores to people who are here to fellowship in the goodness that is Debian. That's like telling a Volkswagen driver about the benefits of eating grass. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time. |
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| 01:26.33 | Overand | pipeline: eah, the card sounded fine in windows |
| 01:26.37 | Overand | it doesn't in linux. |
| 01:26.42 | samuel | ke6isf, i apollogise again |
| 01:26.43 | Overand | at least so it seems |
| 01:26.44 | samuel | sorry |
| 01:26.46 | whitehorse1 | Overand: co-sign :) |
| 01:26.58 | Overand | I didn't have high rez studio-monitors hooked up when i was using it on windows |
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| 01:27.04 | pipeline | Overand: Now that, I strongly doubt. The creative-provided drivers are brain-damaged. It's impossible to turn off EAX entirely, to the user's detriment. I resorted to third-party drivers. |
| 01:27.16 | dondelelcaro | emRick: if you're looking for files in a more complicated manner than locate does, use find; or grep locate's database. |
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| 01:27.41 | Overand | pipeline: You know what? You're right, I'm sure. I obviously don't know what distortion sounds like, even though I get paid a pretty good amount of money to deal with it in my job as a professional audio engineer. |
| 01:27.45 | peterS | dondelelcaro: you can't grep locate's db, it's binary |
| 01:27.58 | Seb | whitehorse1: startx |
| 01:28.00 | samuel | FieldySnuts, i know i am quite annoying, but im not that bad am i? :) |
| 01:28.03 | FieldySnuts | a "professional" who uses Creative stuff is not a professional. |
| 01:28.03 | TwistedEmotions | I think what I am looking for is the "-bgtype" option... but dont know which to use... ? tile|center|scale|scaleh|scalev|notile|notileh|notilev|cuttype? |
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| 01:28.09 | dondelelcaro | peterS: but you can dump locate's database, which is what I'm getting at... |
| 01:28.11 | Overand | FieldySnuts: it's in my HI-FI rig at home =] |
| 01:28.17 | Overand | it's what's on my MPD box |
| 01:28.30 | Overand | I use an Echo Layla or a Mackie Onyx for my usual DAC/ADC stuff |
| 01:28.38 | dondelelcaro | ugh |
| 01:28.40 | whitehorse1 | seb: so the system should now recognise+support that I've an ati radeon 9600pro, should let me change to a higher res than 800x600 etc. Oh hangon startx? |
| 01:28.42 | phogg | peterS: locate / | grep # essentially greps locate's DB |
| 01:28.42 | samuel | ok, on an on topic debian issue... anyone know a program besides lx-view to see autocad files? |
| 01:28.45 | FieldySnuts | are you done dropping elite acronyms yet, trying to compensate for something? |
| 01:28.52 | Seb | whitehorse1: yes |
| 01:28.57 | Overand | FieldySnuts: excuse me? |
| 01:29.03 | samuel | i dont want to edit autocad, just view them |
| 01:29.04 | ke6isf | !beef FieldySnuts |
| 01:29.05 | whitehorse1 | just "startx" @ command line |
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| 01:29.28 | Overand | What "elite acronyms" am I using? |
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| 01:29.40 | Seb | whitehorse1: yes |
| 01:29.41 | Overand | ADC? I thought we were talking about audio. |
| 01:29.41 | ke6isf | samuel: cycas3 |
| 01:29.44 | AlinuxOS | FieldySnuts, go to sleep. Yuo don't help anyone, and don't chat. Yuo only comment users. |
| 01:29.44 | emRick | dondelelcaro/peterS: grepping the locate database sounds like the best approach ... is there a way to access the dump? (and still get decent speeds?) |
| 01:29.44 | nvz | Overand: its safe to drop it now :P |
| 01:29.47 | Overand | nvz: heh |
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| 01:30.00 | samuel | ke6isf, thx, ill look into it |
| 01:30.02 | peterS | emRick: as phogg said, run 'locate /' |
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| 01:30.08 | Guerin | emRick: locate / |grep |
| 01:30.08 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: any idea on aterm options? |
| 01:30.09 | ke6isf | emRick: Try 'locate foo | grep bar'. |
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| 01:30.22 | findme | how do i copy a music cd to my local hard drive, which application? |
| 01:30.23 | Overand | I'm just a little irked that even though there are reports of issues with the SB Live! sound quality under linux, pipeline vehemently denies said issues |
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| 01:30.30 | jader | i have a version of the debian but no mount cdrom1 |
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| 01:30.35 | peterS | findme: 'abcde' or 'grip' or simply 'cdparanoia -Bvz 1-' |
| 01:30.37 | nvz | findme: cdparanoia, or grip for a gtk frontend |
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| 01:30.44 | ke6isf | samuel: I really have no idea how to do CAD, but it seems sufficiently close to (say) autocad. |
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| 01:30.55 | jader | somebody helpe-me |
| 01:30.55 | wjl | findme: abcde is great, it's command-line, but dirt simple to use |
| 01:30.56 | Guerin | cdparanoia is all that's needed |
| 01:30.59 | peterS | findme: abcde and grip are slick frontends that will also encode to .ogg or whatever, and tag your tracks from a CDDB server |
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| 01:31.03 | pipeline | Overand: Adjust the PCM volume in the ALSA mixer. It makes a difference, really. Anything over 74ish is noticably distorted to me |
| 01:31.04 | findme | peterS, nvz your response is faster than light. thanks. |
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| 01:31.09 | whitehorse1 | startx = error http://pastebin.com/354112 |
| 01:31.09 | findme | wjl, thanks |
| 01:31.10 | Overand | pipeline: i did crank it down |
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| 01:31.27 | Overand | pipeline: one possible source of confusion on my part is that MPD actually changes the PCM mixer volume |
| 01:31.27 | Seb | whitehorse1: ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 01:31.27 | pipeline | Overand: have you muted the lines you're not using? |
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| 01:31.38 | pipeline | Overand: It does? That's pretty darn weird. |
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| 01:31.58 | green_earz | findme: to ripp the tracks have a look at grip or if you want the image, have go with k3b burning app |
| 01:32.01 | Seb | whitehorse1: you did all that "4. Install packages and compile the kernel module" thing on flavio's page, right ? |
| 01:32.22 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: aterm? Any ideas? |
| 01:32.22 | emRick | ke6isf/peterS/Guerin/phogg: ok, tnx all ... sounds like the best approach |
| 01:32.27 | jader | i m starting inlinux i kow nothing it |
| 01:32.32 | Overand | pipeline: ah, i rememebr why it does |
| 01:32.41 | findme | green_earz, thanks i am good now. |
| 01:32.50 | Overand | i had a usb soundcard (A headroom total bithead acutally) that only supported rudimentarhy mixer stuff |
| 01:32.54 | green_earz | findme: or cdread i think its called that |
| 01:32.54 | Overand | so i set mpd to change the PCM volume |
| 01:32.58 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: don't use it |
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| 01:33.08 | findme | grip is what i used last time, it is slick. |
| 01:33.19 | whitehorse1 | Seb: doesn't do anything, when I'd ctrl-alt-f1'd earlier though it returned me back to here. || Er no, it seemed to suggest that it wasn't necessary because I installed a binary image from there; via synaptic - which didn't return an error. You mean I've got to build a kernel by hand or something? |
| 01:33.28 | Guerin | hrm, speaking of which, is there a transparent equaliser app for alsa? |
| 01:33.29 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: any ideas on how to get it blend in with the background? |
| 01:33.29 | Overand | pipeline: what about adjusting the master volume, should that be kept low, in your experience? |
| 01:33.34 | green_earz | findme: it well dose the job |
| 01:33.37 | Xenguy | Seb: the problem seems to be related to e2fslibs e2fsprogs libc6 AFAICT |
| 01:33.44 | pipeline | Overand: You know, I don't remember. |
| 01:33.44 | Guerin | along the same lines as alsamixer? |
| 01:33.47 | Seb | whitehorse1: you need to do what's in sections 4 & 5 |
| 01:33.52 | Overand | pipeline: i'll keep it down |
| 01:33.55 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: have a black background and a black terminal |
| 01:33.57 | whitehorse1 | *nods |
| 01:33.59 | pipeline | Overand: I have the damn thing plugged into my amplifier, so I haven't touched the mixer in ages. |
| 01:34.01 | Overand | i'd rather have a worse SNR than distortion |
| 01:34.04 | Seb | Xenguy: well did you set that apt option ? |
| 01:34.12 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: hahahaha |
| 01:34.17 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: worksforme |
| 01:34.22 | Overand | pipeline: yeah, i've got it on channels 3/4 on my Mackie Onyx 1640, and control room outs of that into my HR824 monitors |
| 01:34.27 | Xenguy | Seb: not yet; according to the man page it looks quite dangerous potentially |
| 01:34.29 | Overand | i'm like a walking mackie ad or something |
| 01:34.39 | pipeline | Overand: You know, it might be something slightly weird. Creative cards are infamous for not being very strictly compliant with the PCI spec. |
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| 01:34.39 | Seb | Xenguy: bah :> |
| 01:34.49 | Xenguy | Seb: have you set it before, yourself? |
| 01:34.54 | whitehorse1 | Seb: Could you link me flavio's page again please? |
| 01:34.54 | Overand | pipeline: it's an SiS chipset on that system, heh |
| 01:34.54 | Seb | Xenguy: anyway if it recommends it sort of, you probably have no other option |
| 01:34.57 | Seb | Xenguy: yes I have |
| 01:35.03 | Overand | so... that increases the possibility of weirdness, IME with SiS |
| 01:35.05 | Seb | dpkg, tell whitehorse1 about ati |
| 01:35.08 | whitehorse1 | ty |
| 01:35.15 | Overand | you know |
| 01:35.17 | pipeline | Overand: That might actually be it. Also, have you tried it in a bus-mastering slot versus not? It could be as simple as a latency thing. |
| 01:35.26 | Xenguy | Seb: and you survived - OK :-) Still, it says that this error indicates a "Grave Bug" of some kind :-/ |
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| 01:35.33 | Overand | none of htese problems would be as frustrating if i could turn on my AC without popping my circuit breaker |
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| 01:35.43 | Overand | apparently all of my apartment except for the kitchen is on ONE 15 amp circuit |
| 01:35.45 | Seb | Xenguy: well, it's all a tradeoff: risk vs. gain |
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| 01:35.50 | Seb | Xenguy: again ;) |
| 01:35.53 | pipeline | Overand: You remember the whole VIA versus Creative thing a long time ago? That was actually caused by VIA southbridges that were too carefully compliant with the PCI specs. Creative cards are, ah, slapdash as far as the bus interface. |
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| 01:36.00 | dondelelcaro | Overand: that's easy to fix |
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| 01:36.08 | Xenguy | Seb: I'll continue to investigate then - tx |
| 01:36.08 | LightVision | anyone here using rkhunter? |
| 01:36.11 | Overand | with 500 watts of powered speakers, 3 or 4 computers, lots of audio gear |
| 01:36.13 | Overand | dondelelcaro: yeah? |
| 01:36.14 | pipeline | Overand: ONE 15A circuit? WTF |
| 01:36.17 | Overand | pipeline: yeah. ONE |
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| 01:36.21 | Overand | even the BATHROOM runs off of it |
| 01:36.29 | Overand | the living room, dining room, bedroom 1, bedroom 2 |
| 01:36.32 | jader | i have kurumin 5 do you know |
| 01:36.33 | dvs | Overand: Yikes! |
| 01:36.34 | jader | ? |
| 01:36.36 | pipeline | Overand: You didn't check this BEFORE moving in? I rented this apartment because I knew it had good electrical. |
| 01:36.38 | dondelelcaro | Overand: drop in another circuit to run the heavy stuff; or go out of code and bump up to a 20A |
| 01:36.51 | pipeline | Overand: I live in a one-bedroom apartment with four circuits, including two 220v circuits :) |
| 01:36.52 | Overand | i don't trust the wiring enough to run it at 20a |
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| 01:37.02 | Overand | heck i don't even trust it at 15a |
| 01:37.05 | dondelelcaro | Overand: then drop in another circuit |
| 01:37.10 | Overand | i personally changed a bunch of the outlets to 3 prong. |
| 01:37.17 | whitehorse1 | Overand: as well as the forum link (which points to opensource.crea..., too) http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+5.1.&chip=emu10k1&module=emu10k1 seemed vaguely relevant |
| 01:37.19 | pipeline | Better yet, sue your landlord to have him drop in a 15A |
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| 01:37.19 | Overand | think about that one for a little while |
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| 01:37.35 | dondelelcaro | Overand: uh... that was pretty much useless... |
| 01:37.59 | Overand | dondelelcaro: changing the outlets to 3 prong? |
| 01:38.04 | WildPenguin | Guerin: Would iptables need to be set up? |
| 01:38.12 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Useless? Installing grounded outlets yourself, withwhatever lame ground you use, is still better than using a 2-prong to 3-prong adapter... |
| 01:38.12 | Overand | well it saved me having to use a whole load of those little grey adapters =] |
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| 01:38.22 | Guerin | WildPenguin: huh? why me? |
| 01:38.24 | jader | who go helpe-me? |
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| 01:38.31 | pipeline | Ok, maybe I went a little far assuming that Overand had bothered to devise any sort of ground |
| 01:38.44 | WildPenguin | Guerin: Why Not? |
| 01:38.47 | Overand | pipeline: the wire is shielded conduit |
| 01:38.48 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: that assumes that there's actually a ground there that is suitable... in many cases its not |
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| 01:39.02 | Overand | however my UPS informs me that it's *not* correctly wired =] |
| 01:39.07 | Overand | Very cute. |
| 01:39.08 | Guerin | WildPenguin: because i have no fucking idea what you're on about and didn't see your question because I was making iced tea? |
| 01:39.16 | dondelelcaro | (and in some of these cases, leak circuits through the ground can be far more dangerous than an ungrounded cabinet) |
| 01:39.19 | ke6isf | Overand: One good surge, then, and you're probably hosed. |
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| 01:39.47 | Overand | ke6isf: yeah, a MOV shorted to the wrong rail is pretty useless eh? |
| 01:39.48 | pipeline | ke6isf: I've been running without a UPS for 14 months now without a good surge. *crosses fingers* |
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| 01:40.01 | Overand | not that MOVs are all that great to begin with |
| 01:40.06 | ke6isf | MOV? |
| 01:40.08 | Overand | something about sacraficial components. |
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| 01:40.14 | concept10 | Overand: you know anything about music copyrights? |
| 01:40.16 | Overand | metal oxide varizistor |
| 01:40.18 | Overand | concept10: a bit |
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| 01:40.22 | ke6isf | Ah, indeed. |
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| 01:40.36 | Overand | those things that cook themselves to save yer ass when you get a surge |
| 01:40.38 | ke6isf | ...varizistor, never heard that one before. |
| 01:40.42 | Overand | they can quite literally blow up |
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| 01:40.45 | WildPenguin | Guerin: If you wouldn't mind helping... Basically - 1 home computer, new ADSL connection, and I have no idea of how to get it going... I can p2p, ping but not show any web pages. Any ideas? |
| 01:40.46 | Overand | ke6isf: i spelled it wrong |
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| 01:41.02 | ke6isf | Overand: Yeah, thought so. Had an extra Z, didja? =^^= |
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| 01:41.10 | TwistedEmotions | Do all the log files automatically .gz themselves when they get too big? |
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| 01:41.12 | concept10 | Overand: offtopic question, I need to a song copyright by next week on one of my productions for submittal to a major artist, i want to protect myself |
| 01:41.13 | Overand | ke6isf: yeah. |
| 01:41.14 | dvs | WildPenguin: Your nameserver is probably not set up |
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| 01:41.18 | Overand | concept10: can't help there |
| 01:41.23 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: no, logrotate does that. |
| 01:41.27 | Overand | Metal Oxide Varistor |
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| 01:41.30 | Overand | =] |
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| 01:41.35 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: and that assumes you've got it set up to do that |
| 01:41.35 | ke6isf | TwistedEmotions: logrotate deals that once every week. |
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| 01:41.37 | Seb | WildPenguin: can you "ssh metawire.org" ? |
| 01:41.41 | WildPenguin | dvs: What would I do to configure it? |
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| 01:41.52 | TwistedEmotions | Ahhh... kk. |
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| 01:41.54 | dvs | WildPenguin: What's in your /etc/resolv.conf file? |
| 01:41.54 | TwistedEmotions | Thanks guys. |
| 01:41.57 | Overand | "A metal oxide varistor absorbs potentially destructive energy and dissipates it as heat, thus protecting vulnerable circuit components and preventing system damage." |
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| 01:42.08 | Overand | but not damage to the enclosure the MOV is packaged in =] |
| 01:42.11 | WildPenguin | Seb: I think so I'll give it a go... |
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| 01:42.29 | WildPenguin | dvs: Give me a sec while I reboot |
| 01:42.29 | Guerin | WildPenguin: do you have dns resolution? |
| 01:42.30 | ke6isf | Overand: Yeah, but the packaging is easier replaced than the electronics it's protecting. =^^= |
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| 01:42.35 | whitehorse1 | wipo.org has some good c'right info. |
| 01:42.43 | ke6isf | Better the uber fancy surge supressor than the server farm. |
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| 01:42.44 | Seb | Guerin: yeah he can ping www.google.com |
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| 01:42.49 | Overand | ke6isf: you mean to tell me that $10 power strip is worth less than all my audio gear? NONSENSE! |
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| 01:42.56 | Guerin | Seb: ok. |
| 01:43.08 | Guerin | first thing I suggest is NOT using your isp's dns servers |
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| 01:43.11 | Overand | the trick is in knowing when the thing has popped |
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| 01:43.16 | Guerin | but maybe i'm just paranoid |
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| 01:43.35 | Overand | Guerin: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the acid wasn't good |
| 01:43.36 | Overand | er |
| 01:43.37 | Overand | i mean |
| 01:43.41 | Overand | doesn't mean they weren't out to get you.. |
| 01:43.50 | Guerin | Overand: totally |
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| 01:44.13 | beardy | heh |
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| 01:44.25 | Overand | Drug humor is as divisive as politics or religion! I love it. =] |
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| 01:45.01 | Overand | Guerin: what the heck? |
| 01:45.01 | ke6isf | Guerin: Time to change your ISP then |
| 01:45.09 | Overand | that's pretty friggin' silly |
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| 01:45.21 | Guerin | ke6isf: and give up 100 megabit full-dup unlimited for $30/month? hell no. |
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| 01:45.28 | nvz | Guerin: its good that you pay your bills, but maybe you should stop stealing the neighbors internet :P |
| 01:45.28 | Guerin | Overand: they're fucking amateurs |
| 01:45.28 | Overand | hahaah |
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| 01:45.32 | Overand | dude |
| 01:45.37 | ke6isf | Guerin: Man, what a payoff. |
| 01:45.42 | Overand | if they're charging you $30 for 100/100 |
| 01:45.42 | Overand | like |
| 01:45.46 | Overand | they're definately amateurs |
| 01:45.47 | Guerin | yeah |
| 01:45.47 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, where did you get your DNS servers then |
| 01:45.50 | Overand | how'd you manage THAT deal? |
| 01:45.56 | Overand | SerajewelKS: there are DNS servers all oer the oplace you can use |
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| 01:46.04 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: just googled around |
| 01:46.11 | green_earz | WildPenguin: use the command " ping www.google.com " to see if it resolves ? |
| 01:46.13 | ke6isf | SerajewelKS: http://www.opennic.unrated.net |
| 01:46.13 | Overand | you can even run your own and just point them to some sane ones |
| 01:46.34 | wjl | Guerin: you could also just run a local bind with no forwarders |
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| 01:47.08 | whitehorse1 | Seb: Is there a way to determine which of flavio's page modules I need, uname reports kernel ver 2.4.27-2-386 may16 but how do I know which of the top two modules I should choose, 8.14.13 versus 8.16.20? |
| 01:47.13 | Guerin | wjl: too much effort |
| 01:47.22 | whitehorse1 | [from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-modules/index.html] |
| 01:47.23 | nvz | you could also pay your own internet instead of sharing the neighbors ;) |
| 01:47.25 | Guerin | i run my own dns on a box in texas |
| 01:47.40 | Guerin | so I have one in the uk, one in the states, and one in korea |
| 01:47.57 | Guerin | nvz: this IS my internet ... the ethernet coable is wired into MY wall |
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| 01:49.01 | Guerin | 168.126.63.1 194.72.9.44 206.123.107.15 # for great redundancy justice! |
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| 01:49.08 | nvz | Guerin: hey, I just came up with the most likely solution to someone paying _their_ bills and getting "pay /your/ bill" messages on the internet. |
| 01:49.09 | SerajewelKS | hah.. wonder if "ns1.la.us.opennic.glue (New Orleans, LA, US) - 68.15.165.12" is up and running |
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| 01:49.24 | Guerin | heh |
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| 01:50.16 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: don't hold your breath.. |
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| 01:50.38 | LightVision | im compiling latest version of xchat and it says unable to find GLIB! what GLIB exactly do I need? |
| 01:50.38 | Guerin | Overand: that's the internet in korea |
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| 01:50.42 | Guerin | cheap and plentiful |
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| 01:50.49 | Guerin | and run by complete fucking amateurs |
| 01:50.57 | Guerin | !wayc LightVision |
| 01:50.58 | dpkg | LightVision: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:51.22 | LightVision | because apt-get only has 2.4.1 and xchat 2.4.4 is out |
| 01:51.30 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, how do i keep dhclient (run from ifup at boot, i guess) from borking /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 01:51.34 | dvs | LightVision: xchat 2.4.4 is in testing |
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| 01:51.59 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: apt-get install pump && apt-get remove dhcp-client |
| 01:52.04 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: edit /etc/dhclient.conf or just make it +i with chattr |
| 01:52.06 | Overand | is there a factoid that explains stable/testing/ubstable, someone should point it to LightVision |
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| 01:52.11 | LightVision | dvs: they are using xchat 2.4.4 in mepis. so why does it work on mepis, a debian based distro? |
| 01:52.14 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: rtfm about /etc/pump.conf |
| 01:52.14 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, +i? |
| 01:52.23 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: man chattr |
| 01:52.25 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: there are backports of things like that to stable. |
| 01:52.29 | amphi | LightVision: mepis is probably based on sid |
| 01:52.29 | ke6isf | Overand: There are factoids for each one. |
| 01:52.32 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 01:52.35 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: there's an actual configuration entry to prevent it from being updated |
| 01:52.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell LightVision -about backports |
| 01:52.42 | LightVision | amphi: yes you are right |
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| 01:52.49 | Guerin | like the fact that hanmail.net, the most common korean webmail provider and one of the best-known spam gateways in the world, blocks email from my smtp server because my foorward and reverse dns lookups don't match - when in fact they do, but THEIRS don't |
| 01:52.51 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, that's damn nifty |
| 01:52.54 | Overand | ke6isf: i mean a sort of 'this versus that and this is why so-and-so doesn't have the latest versions of everything' |
| 01:53.01 | Guerin | and don't respons to emails on postmaster@ |
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| 01:53.32 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: for fun, testing and learning purposes! I wanted to compile something on Sarge! What source file would you recommend? |
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| 01:53.43 | drac | Is there something like foomatic-gui, but without gtk, gtk2, qt, kde library dependencies? |
| 01:53.46 | ke6isf | Overand: Ah, OK. |
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| 01:53.52 | ferris_ | i have just installed sarge on mylaptop |
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| 01:54.02 | amphi | LightVision: gnu hello world |
| 01:54.07 | ferris_ | but i need to configure it so that it can run gdm |
| 01:54.12 | Overand | hahaha |
| 01:54.14 | ferris_ | can someone help me out ? |
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| 01:54.19 | Overand | 'gnu hello world' =] |
| 01:54.25 | amphi | ferris_: apt-get install gdm probably |
| 01:54.26 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: then read the simple sid backport; factoid... actual learning requires reading the documentation, and then asking here when you get stuck. |
| 01:54.30 | amphi | Overand: it's not small |
| 01:54.31 | Guerin | as opposed to that other hello world implementation |
| 01:54.38 | Overand | http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/hello.html |
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| 01:54.43 | whitehorse1 | Is there a way to determine which of flavio's page [from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-modules/index.html] modules I need, uname reports kernel ver 2.4.27-2-386 may16 but how do I know which of the top two modules I should choose, 8.14.13 versus 8.16.20? Anyone know? |
| 01:54.47 | Overand | wow |
| 01:54.48 | Overand | it's huge |
| 01:54.48 | Overand | wtf |
| 01:54.49 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: ok i understand |
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| 01:54.57 | dondelelcaro | !info hello |
| 01:54.58 | V4mp | dondelelcaro: hello |
| 01:55.00 | dpkg | hello: (The classic greeting, and a good example), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 47 kB, Installed size: 472 kB |
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| 01:55.17 | Overand | exacltly how do you get 380k COMPRESSED of code in a 'hello world' app? |
| 01:55.17 | beardy | whitehorse1: Isn't that a pretty old kernel? |
| 01:55.33 | Guerin | Overand: it has a mini-emacs in it |
| 01:55.36 | WildPenguin | Seb: Couldn't ssh metawire.org |
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| 01:55.37 | amphi | Overand: i18n etc |
| 01:55.44 | Guerin | WildPenguin: echo http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/hello.html |
| 01:55.46 | nvz | Overand: I believe its translated |
| 01:55.49 | Guerin | bah |
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| 01:55.51 | wjl | overland: 379k is probably autoconf ;) |
| 01:55.54 | whitehorse1 | beardy: hmm? it's the sarge default |
| 01:55.56 | Overand | oh wow |
| 01:56.00 | Overand | this thing is huge |
| 01:56.01 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, can i have resolv.conf use my intranet's DNS server for names ending with a certain domain, and another one for everything else? |
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| 01:56.03 | Overand | wjl: use tab complete |
| 01:56.04 | Gnea | !ops *!*@210.213.144.61 *!*@219.95.219.107 *!*@85.101.214.167 *!*@202.137.23.141 are all the same bots |
| 01:56.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: *!*@210.213.144.61 *!*@219.95.219.107 *!*@85.101.214.167 *!*@202.137.23.141 are all the same bots |
| 01:56.23 | WildPenguin | dvs: Contents of resolv.conf "search nameserver 192.168.1.1" where 192.168.1.1 is ip of modem |
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| 01:56.30 | brasil | alguem pode me ajudar em algo |
| 01:56.33 | dvs | WildPenguin: That's wrong |
| 01:56.36 | whitehorse1 | 'kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386' installed. |
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| 01:56.45 | dvs | WildPenguin: It should be the IP of your DNS (domain name server) |
| 01:56.48 | spoopin | SerajewelKS: you can if you run your own DNS cache |
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| 01:56.53 | brasil | pensei que a familia linux era unida |
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| 01:57.01 | Guerin | WildPenguin: echo -e " nameserver 194.72.9.44\nnameserver 168.126.63.1\nnameserver 203.248.245.162" > /etc/resolv.conf # after you get connected |
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| 01:57.23 | nvz | w00t debhelper kicks ass and takes names |
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| 01:57.31 | Guerin | no shit |
| 01:57.34 | beardy | whitehorse1: hmm, ýeah, so it seems.. I'm running sarge, with a 2.6 kernel. Ran 2.4.31 on woody before. |
| 01:57.35 | Guerin | damn |
| 01:57.57 | WildPenguin | dvs: thanks, ill try it |
| 01:58.03 | dvs | WildPenguin: No problem |
| 01:58.08 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: that's a job for which you'd be better running your own bind or something. I wouldn't bother - dns lookups are a fraction of the time you spend waiting for the internet anyway |
| 01:58.16 | beardy | whitehorse1: That's ehy it looked old to me I guess. |
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| 01:58.26 | whitehorse1 | beardy: upgrading is probably a good thing for me @ some point too. but i'm still a peach-fuzzed rookie to your grizzly veteran at the moment. so, baby steps for now :) |
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| 01:58.36 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, true... |
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| 01:58.55 | beardy | whitehorse1: Ok, yeah, good to take one step at a time. |
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| 02:01.10 | Kerr | are the spambots still active? |
| 02:01.17 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: pretty much, yes. |
| 02:01.23 | Kerr | ah |
| 02:01.34 | dvs | Kerr: But debhelper is (finally) trying to put an end to it |
| 02:02.13 | Astroman | I might install debian later tonight! :X |
| 02:02.16 | Kerr | /umode +E and /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS make it impossible to tell. they're just invisible. |
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| 02:03.34 | dvs | C'mon debhelper |
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| 02:04.31 | emRick | !whois debhelper |
| 02:04.58 | dli | emRick, a bot |
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| 02:05.55 | Kerr | ah, dh is an eggdrop :) |
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| 02:06.16 | Kerr | should be plenty of botnetflood tcls about O.o |
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| 02:06.25 | etchian | join #kanotix |
| 02:06.31 | Anders | no? |
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| 02:07.24 | Astroman | Scale of one to suckfest 2005, how hard is it to install debian? |
| 02:07.34 | boris`` | suckfest 2003 |
| 02:07.37 | dondelelcaro | Astroman: a drinkynerd could install it. |
| 02:07.47 | Astroman | Acceptable! |
| 02:08.03 | whitehorse1 | Installing's easy! It's the erm 'tweaking' that's harder sometimes :) |
| 02:08.13 | dondelelcaro | !drinky nerd |
| 02:08.14 | dpkg | methinks drinky nerd is http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9404/df940404.jpg |
| 02:08.20 | dondelelcaro | in case someone was wondering what I was talking about |
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| 02:08.32 | Guerin | any drooling moron can install it |
| 02:08.47 | etchian | how do you know what query to ask the bot, dondelelcaro ? |
| 02:08.48 | Overand | yeah |
| 02:08.50 | Guerin | insert cd; hit enter a few times; enter username and password |
| 02:08.55 | Overand | debian install these days is pretty damned easy |
| 02:08.59 | Overand | even doing a multiboot is easy |
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| 02:09.10 | zebalin2 | Has anyone installed the new OO 125 beta2 in Sarge? Issues? Problems? |
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| 02:09.29 | dondelelcaro | etchian: because in many cases I wrote the factoid originally; but /msg dpkg help; /msg dpkg listkeys and /msg dpkg listvals; will help you |
| 02:09.39 | Guerin | zebalin2: since the packages are built for sime unidentified redhat version, almost certainly horribly broken |
| 02:09.47 | etchian | tx |
| 02:10.18 | zebalin2 | Guerin: ooops, I forgot to mention that they are in the experimental repos. Obviously deb files. |
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| 02:10.59 | zebalin2 | Guerin: I run version 121 from there. Installed that a month or so ago. Was ondering about the brand new (this week) 125 beta. |
| 02:11.00 | Overand | man, i need some network cables so i'm not pulling files over samaba and runnign BT across *wifi* |
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| 02:11.15 | Overand | 14 megabits just ain't fast enough |
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| 02:11.32 | LightVision | how can I get firefox to play streaming sound from radio webstes please? |
| 02:11.43 | Guerin | zebalin2: oh, from debian's experimental ... no idea |
| 02:11.50 | Guerin | probably should test them, though |
| 02:12.21 | beardy | LightVision: Perhaps with the mplayer plugin, if it works, not sure. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:12.21 | zebalin2 | Guerin: like I say the previous beta2 of OO from there runs great. Thought I'd see what's new in the 125 version just out. |
| 02:12.31 | findme | LightVision, real player 10 / helix comes to mind |
| 02:12.44 | beardy | LightVision: mozilla-mplayer or something |
| 02:12.50 | Guerin | LightVision: why the fuck would you want a web browser to play media? Use a media player |
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| 02:12.55 | Overand | Guerin: agreed |
| 02:12.58 | helix | Guerin: relax |
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| 02:13.03 | Overand | hehe 'helix' |
| 02:13.06 | Guerin | helix: i am relaxed |
| 02:13.11 | helix | Guerin: then don't curse at people |
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| 02:13.18 | Guerin | helix: ... |
| 02:13.26 | LightVision | Guerin: i was only asking, sorry! why do you always abuse me and swear at me? this is only my 3rd day using linux an debian |
| 02:13.31 | helix | consider yourself warned |
| 02:13.41 | boris`` | helix: poopy head |
| 02:13.50 | beardy | LightVision: Don't be offended, probably just the way he/she talks. |
| 02:13.52 | witless | i'm trying to use escputil - tells me i need to supply a raw device. /dev/usb/lp0 is a raw device, right? |
| 02:13.57 | LightVision | beardy: ok |
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| 02:14.01 | Kerr | LightVision: pleaseexcuse Guerin; he has a severe case of sps, it's not his fault :-P |
| 02:14.01 | Guerin | is there some new deal in #debian I'm unaware of? |
| 02:14.08 | Kerr | that, with spaces^ |
| 02:14.12 | zebalin2 | LightVision: I use Kaffeine or XMMS. Either do well with FF. |
| 02:14.12 | LightVision | Kerr: k :) |
| 02:14.19 | emRick | I would never use a webbrowser to play media ... obviously, yor do browsing, media, etc in emacs |
| 02:14.19 | LightVision | zebalin2: ok thank you |
| 02:14.25 | WildPenguin | dvs: 't works fine now... I own you one... ;-) |
| 02:14.32 | Overand | I don't think Guerin was directly attacking LightVision. I think Guerin was complaining about the whole unified-application thing. |
| 02:14.39 | beardy | Guerin: Try to be nice(r), that's about it, was a big talk yesterday, or the day before that about it. |
| 02:14.41 | Overand | Browsing the web in your office app, typing docs in your file explorer. |
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| 02:15.00 | Overand | Listening to music in GCC... |
| 02:15.03 | Overand | hrm |
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| 02:15.06 | Overand | ok maybe not that one |
| 02:15.08 | emRick | it's all about orthogonality |
| 02:15.12 | Guerin | beardy: got logs? I wasn't here for it. |
| 02:15.15 | findme | Guerin, helps a lot , he is alright. |
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| 02:15.20 | emRick | and serendipity |
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| 02:15.24 | beardy | Guerin: No, sorry, I don't log. |
| 02:15.26 | zebalin2 | LightVision: you can config FF to use xmms as a plugin but it's just as easy in most cases to right click the link, copy the URL and open Kaffeine and pop the url into it and click play. |
| 02:15.31 | emRick | and synergy |
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| 02:15.48 | beardy | Guerin: But you can trust me, just try to be nice :) |
| 02:15.55 | emRick | !FF |
| 02:15.55 | dpkg | somebody said ff was even in dutch |
| 02:16.01 | beardy | (even if it can be hard sometimes, I know) |
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| 02:16.04 | findme | !Katrina |
| 02:16.11 | LightVision | zebalin2: ok ty |
| 02:16.12 | Overand | damn |
| 02:16.15 | Overand | i'll miss the real Guerin |
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| 02:17.00 | LightVision | Guerin: thank you |
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| 02:17.10 | dli | Which Guerin ? |
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| 02:17.59 | LightVision | zebalin2: I got it working through kaffeine. so thanks :) i can now listen to my fav radio station in the background :) great |
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| 02:19.08 | zebalin2 | LightVision: I use Shoutcast almost all day. Listening to Mostly Classical on SKY FM now. Ready to switch to Folk Alley. |
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| 02:19.44 | LightVision | zebalin2: sounds good :) |
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| 02:21.08 | zebalin2 | LightVision: One thing about Kaffeine. I found that it would crash (freeze) the machine when I went to look at the 'player' tab. Major crash. I had to deactivate the fractal generator. May work fine on your hardware. |
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| 02:21.49 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 02:21.52 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:21.55 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:21.56 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:21.58 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 02:22.00 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:22.01 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:22.03 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:22.04 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:22.05 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:22.06 | Electric1lf | SeAwInDe: Please don't do that :) |
| 02:22.06 | SeAwInDe | mmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 02:22.10 | beardy | SeAwInDe: Stop it. |
| 02:22.13 | SeAwInDe | ok |
| 02:22.16 | SeAwInDe | sorrry |
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| 02:22.23 | ElectricElf | SeAwInDe: Thanks. |
| 02:22.25 | SeAwInDe | :) |
| 02:22.29 | ElectricElf | beardy: Note that being polite helps sometimes ;) |
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| 02:22.39 | SeAwInDe | ElectricElf u r welcomed |
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| 02:22.51 | Guerin | um |
| 02:22.52 | zebalin2 | beardy: not often, not here! |
| 02:23.01 | Guerin | what the fuck? |
| 02:23.06 | SeAwInDe | ElectricElf it helps a lot anyway i was going to quit |
| 02:23.15 | LightVision | zebalin2: you use Sarge? |
| 02:23.17 | beardy | hmm |
| 02:23.33 | SeAwInDe | c u later |
| 02:23.35 | SeAwInDe | bye |
| 02:23.35 | zebalin2 | LightVision: sometimes. |
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| 02:23.51 | LightVision | zebalin2: and kaffeine installed ok on Sarge? |
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| 02:24.03 | beardy | Politeness needs to be deserved. |
| 02:24.11 | Gumby | and practiced |
| 02:24.17 | beardy | Behave, and we'll be polite. |
| 02:24.25 | linuxg0d | hmmm |
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| 02:24.37 | zebalin2 | LightVision: it's a KDE application but I'm not sure if it is an official part of kde.org. |
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| 02:24.46 | LightVision | zebalin2: yeah |
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| 02:24.50 | Guerin | yeah, kaffiene is a kde front to xine |
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| 02:24.58 | Guerin | officially |
| 02:24.58 | LightVision | anyway, bye everyone! thank you to everuone who helped me |
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| 02:25.13 | dondelelcaro | beardy: not really; it's like respect, you give it sometimes even when its not deserved.... |
| 02:25.13 | zebalin2 | LightVision: it should run under gnome as well, but I never tried it. |
| 02:25.16 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Also true. |
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| 02:25.37 | beardy | dondelelcaro: I don't think I was that unpolite though, do you? |
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| 02:26.17 | plugwash | anyone got any idea whats going on with p.q.d.o? |
| 02:26.34 | beardy | plugwash: What does p.q.d.o mean? |
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| 02:26.43 | plugwash | packages.qa.debian.org |
| 02:26.47 | Guerin | the q stands for qa |
| 02:26.47 | dondelelcaro | plugwash: what about it? it appears to be working... |
| 02:26.57 | plugwash | for example http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg-x11.html |
| 02:27.34 | plugwash | the testing status says 1 day old the latest news says [2005-08-31] Accepted 6.8.2.dfsg.1-6 in unstable (low) (David Nusinow) |
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| 02:27.51 | mwilson | plugwash: What about it? |
| 02:28.08 | beardy | plugwash: The page seems to work fine. |
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| 02:28.26 | plugwash | the testing status box and the latest news box are inconsistant with each other |
| 02:28.26 | dondelelcaro | plugwash: right, the testing scripts may not have run yet, or p.q.d.o may not have parsed them since the last run yet. |
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| 02:28.44 | mwilson | plugwash: How do you gigure? |
| 02:28.48 | mwilson | figure, even? |
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| 02:29.15 | plugwash | 2005-08-31 was not 1 day ago |
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| 02:29.55 | dondelelcaro | plugwash: sure, but if the testing scripts haven't run yet today, and/or haven't been parsed yet, and it was uploaded after the dinstall run on the 31st, that could easily happen. |
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| 02:30.27 | nichos | hi all - is there any software out there to edit some avi's? Just some cut and pasting |
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| 02:30.38 | plugwash | sure i can see how it could be a day or two out but 4 days seems a little too much for that explanation |
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| 02:30.55 | dondelelcaro | plugwash: you're forgetting that most of those scripts only run once a day. |
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| 02:31.01 | dondelelcaro | plugwash: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xorg-x11 |
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| 02:31.11 | Overand | hm. does ttyrec not work anymore? |
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| 02:31.33 | whitehorse1 | Hmm. /etc/init.d/kdm start will re-start my default display manager (kdm), how do I stop it tho? |
| 02:31.37 | mage_ | hmm what can I use to look at images real quick? |
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| 02:32.39 | mwilson | Uhh, /etc/init.d/kdm stop ? |
| 02:32.42 | amphi | mage_: feh, gthumb, pornview, ... |
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| 02:32.51 | whitehorse1 | mage: firefox /imageviewer/gwenview/kview |
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| 02:32.56 | wjl | nichos: you can get avidemux, but it's not officially packaged, see http://hpisi.nerim.net/ |
| 02:32.57 | mage_ | heh |
| 02:33.14 | beardy | mage_: firefox or other web browser, feh |
| 02:33.38 | whitehorse1 | mwilson: ohh yup :/ I shouldve thought of that. 3:30am, you'll have to excuse me 8) |
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| 02:33.47 | whitehorse1 | beardy: you use lynx hmm? |
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| 02:34.00 | beardy | whitehorse1: It happens yes, and links. |
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| 02:34.43 | beardy | bye? |
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| 02:46.02 | DoppelGanger | on my way to st ives i met a man with 7 wives |
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| 02:46.21 | amphi | bloody fool |
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| 02:52.40 | Ronin | wow i see the bots are still insane, time to /ignore joins again |
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| 02:53.15 | Kool_Ice | is there an expert of C# |
| 02:53.24 | EdLin | Ronin: get nospambot.pl instead |
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| 02:53.33 | Ronin | EdLin: got it |
| 02:53.40 | beardy | Kool_Ice: Ask #C# ? |
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| 02:54.05 | EdLin | Ronin: increase timeout to something higher, like 20 seconds |
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| 02:54.17 | Kool_Ice | ok Thanks beardy |
| 02:54.22 | EdLin | $timeout |
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| 02:56.54 | WildPenguin | Can anyone help... the nameserver entry in resolv.conf reverts back to the ip of my modem periodically causing my connection to stop |
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| 02:57.20 | Guerin | WildPenguin: edit /etc/dhclient.conf or use chattr to make your resolv.conf file +i |
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| 02:59.26 | WildPenguin | Guerin: Thanks - ill see if that fixes the problem |
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| 03:00.27 | Kool_Ice | noone is helping me regarding C# problem |
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| 03:00.35 | Kool_Ice | is there any c# expert |
| 03:00.39 | narg | wow... I wanted to see what linspire was like with the freespire offer, and not only did it fail to boot, but #linspire appears to be empty :p |
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| 03:01.52 | Kool_Ice | does anyone know c# sharp here i have a problem and noone is helping me on C# channel |
| 03:01.54 | WildPenguin | Guerin: /etc/dhclient.conf was completely commented out and chattr didn't work... |
| 03:01.57 | Kool_Ice | pls help me |
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| 03:03.31 | wjl | Kool_Ice: ask your question [again]; I don't know C#, but maybe someone will know |
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| 03:04.43 | Seb | is dpkg down ? |
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| 03:07.32 | mmiikkee12 | ok, I've seriously screwed up something in my kernel: I can't load modules with modprobe anymore and it thinks it's a gentoo system |
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| 03:07.51 | SerajewelKS | mmiikkee12, maybe you installed gentoo? |
| 03:07.57 | mmiikkee12 | uh.. yeah |
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| 03:08.13 | mmiikkee12 | but the debian system thinks it's gentoo |
| 03:08.14 | SerajewelKS | why else would it think it's gentoo... |
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| 03:08.28 | SerajewelKS | you installed debian and gentoo on the same box? |
| 03:08.33 | Xenguy | Seb: it worked - thanks for your advice :-) |
| 03:08.38 | mmiikkee12 | yes, different partitions |
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| 03:08.45 | Seb | Xenguy: np |
| 03:08.49 | SerajewelKS | sounds like the same partition... |
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| 03:09.20 | mmiikkee12 | i was installing from a mounted cd image through gnome-terminal, would that messa nything up? |
| 03:09.28 | mmiikkee12 | *mess anything |
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| 03:09.45 | SerajewelKS | mmiikkee12, did you chroot before installing? |
| 03:09.46 | ec | hrm... |
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| 03:10.05 | mmiikkee12 | before compiling/installing the kernel, yes |
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| 03:10.22 | mmiikkee12 | did everything like it said in the gentoo handbook |
| 03:10.29 | SerajewelKS | mmiikkee12, all i can think of is that the gentoo install installed itself to / |
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| 03:10.33 | mmiikkee12 | except from gnome-terminal, not the cd |
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| 03:10.45 | mmiikkee12 | any idea how to fix that? |
| 03:10.53 | SerajewelKS | mmiikkee12, you mean you were supposed to boot from the CD and you didn't? |
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| 03:10.58 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: do you have a separate /boot partition? |
| 03:11.09 | mmiikkee12 | i mounted the cd image with mount -o loop |
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| 03:11.20 | mmiikkee12 | no |
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| 03:12.14 | mmiikkee12 | (what? from the handbook: "Gentoo is about choices.") |
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| 03:12.24 | mmiikkee12 | I made a choice not to burn a cd |
| 03:12.26 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
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| 03:13.31 | Overand | hm |
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| 03:15.03 | mmiikkee12 | anyway, I've tried reinstalling the kernel, it didn't help |
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| 03:16.07 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: what bootloader are you using? what happens when you try to restart? |
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| 03:16.24 | mmiikkee12 | lilo |
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| 03:16.47 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: then rerun lilo after fixing your /etc/lilo.conf to have an entry for your gentoo install. |
| 03:16.47 | mmiikkee12 | it boots normally, it just won't do certain things |
| 03:16.57 | mmiikkee12 | that's not the problem... |
| 03:17.17 | mmiikkee12 | my debian system thinks it's gentoo |
| 03:17.36 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: you mean you're running the gentoo kernel while your root is the Debian system? |
| 03:17.41 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 03:17.41 | dpkg | Since Thu Sep 1 02:30:52 2005, there have been 51 modifications, 1602 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 552 commands. I have been awake for 3d 46m 49s this session, and currently reference 26253 factoids. I'm using about 16088 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 645.23/31.26 child 661.79/48.2 |
| 03:18.00 | mmiikkee12 | interesting |
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| 03:18.03 | mmiikkee12 | anyway, |
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| 03:18.21 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: what is the output of uname -a; ? |
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| 03:18.42 | mmiikkee12 | it's actually a debian kernel (just reinstalled it) |
| 03:18.51 | mmiikkee12 | can't check right now, i'm not in linux |
| 03:18.52 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: that's not what I asked... |
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| 03:19.04 | mmiikkee12 | dondelelcarommiikkee12: you mean you're running the gentoo kernel while your root is the Debian system? |
| 03:19.27 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: yes, I want the output of uname -a; though. |
| 03:19.32 | wjl | mmiikkee12: (just installing the kernel doesn't do it; you've got to point to it with /etc/lilo.conf and then rerun lilo) |
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| 03:19.34 | mmiikkee12 | ok... |
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| 03:19.44 | wjl | mmiikkee12: that's why folks are asking for uname -a |
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| 03:19.57 | mmiikkee12 | what's uname -a; do? |
| 03:20.03 | Guerin | just do it |
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| 03:20.06 | Jenetik | How do I disable the following ports: rpcbind netbios-ssn microsoft-ds afpovertcp rndc postgres |
| 03:20.06 | mmiikkee12 | ok... |
| 03:20.08 | mmiikkee12 | brb |
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| 03:20.12 | Guerin | it will become obvious |
| 03:20.19 | wjl | mmiikkee12: it prints the info name about the kernel, mine says: 'Linux tonberry 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8-sk98lin #1 Fri Jul 29 18:26:50 MDT 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux' |
| 03:20.24 | wjl | too late |
| 03:20.28 | wjl | =) |
| 03:20.32 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: 1) turn of portmap 2) stop samba 3) stop netatalk 3) stop postgresql; |
| 03:20.39 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: time to learn about netstat -plunt; |
| 03:20.39 | Jenetik | yeah, how do I do that |
| 03:20.52 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: with /etc/init.d/portmap stop; etc. |
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| 03:21.07 | Jenetik | does that do it perm? |
| 03:21.18 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: or, since you seem to not need them, purge the package that installed it. |
| 03:21.21 | Guerin | Jenetik: no. |
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| 03:22.30 | Jenetik | what is the name for servuce rndc? so I can apt-get remove it |
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| 03:22.43 | SDFH_Linux | supreme court judge william rehnquist has died |
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| 03:23.22 | Jenetik | samba? |
| 03:23.29 | EdLin | sorry for the parts and joins, I'm messing with something |
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| 03:24.55 | Glennmacman | Hey guys |
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| 03:25.27 | Jenetik | how do I turn off afpovertcp ? |
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| 03:25.32 | Jenetik | and rndc? |
| 03:25.40 | Jenetik | I dont see apt-get packs for them |
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| 03:25.53 | Guerin | Jenetik: netstat -plaunt |grep portnumber |
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| 03:26.08 | Jenetik | Guerin: netstat isn't going to remove it |
| 03:26.11 | Jenetik | How do I remove it |
| 03:26.18 | Guerin | Jenetik: the use dpkg -S whateverprogramm to find out what package they're in |
| 03:26.27 | Guerin | then remove or otherwise disable that package |
| 03:26.36 | Guerin | Jenetik: i'm not going to do it for you |
| 03:26.49 | Jenetik | vt-williston-cuda1h4-79:/home/jenetik# netstat -plaunt |grep 953 |
| 03:26.49 | Jenetik | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:953 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2298/named |
| 03:26.58 | Jenetik | named? |
| 03:27.02 | ke6isf | Jenetik: rndc is part of bind. |
| 03:27.05 | Guerin | Jenetik: dpkg -S named |
| 03:27.06 | Jenetik | OK |
| 03:27.29 | Jenetik | I did apt-get remove named and it says I dont even have tit installed |
| 03:27.33 | ke6isf | Jenetik: If you are running a domain name server (bind 9, specifically), rndc is the signal server for certain actions. |
| 03:27.46 | Gnea | Jenetik: apt-get install bind9 |
| 03:27.46 | ke6isf | Jenetik: That's because it's 'bind' you're looking for. |
| 03:27.47 | Jenetik | I'm not |
| 03:27.58 | Jenetik | Package bind is not installed, so not removed |
| 03:27.59 | Guerin | Jenetik: if you followed my instructions instead of just mashing your keyboard randomly and whining on irc, you'd be finished and having a beer by now |
| 03:28.04 | Jenetik | Umm |
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| 03:28.06 | ke6isf | Jenetik: OK, what gnea said. bind9. |
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| 03:28.10 | Jenetik | I am doing exactly what I am supposed to do |
| 03:28.12 | Guerin | ke6isf: or bind9, or something else |
| 03:28.14 | Jenetik | and you arenty; telling me the right sdhit |
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| 03:28.20 | Guerin | Jenetik: no, you aren't |
| 03:28.24 | Gnea | Jenetik: bullshit. |
| 03:28.28 | Jenetik | Sure |
| 03:28.30 | Guerin | Jenetik: did you do dpkg -S named; yet? |
| 03:28.32 | Guerin | NO |
| 03:28.39 | ke6isf | Jenetik: Dude, do you want help or are you going to cuss us out? |
| 03:28.41 | Guerin | otherwise you'd KNOW that named isn't a package |
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| 03:28.50 | Jenetik | [23:27] ke6isf Jenetik: rndc is part of bind. |
| 03:28.50 | Jenetik | [23:27] Guerin Jenetik: dpkg -S named |
| 03:28.54 | Jenetik | doesn't work |
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| 03:28.55 | Gnea | !tell Jenetik about newbie-guide |
| 03:29.03 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 03:29.03 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:29.06 | Jenetik | so there |
| 03:29.11 | ke6isf | Jenetik: No, that is not wrong. rndc is part of bind. |
| 03:29.15 | Jenetik | you guys are such anal assfucks |
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| 03:29.21 | Gnea | !troll Jenetik |
| 03:29.22 | Jenetik | THEN SAY bind9 |
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| 03:29.33 | Gnea | what a dumbfuck |
| 03:29.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:29.35 | Guerin | jair: IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN BIND9 |
| 03:29.38 | ke6isf | !lart jene |
| 03:29.41 | Guerin | there is MORE THAN ONE NAMED |
| 03:29.43 | ke6isf | !lart jenetik |
| 03:29.44 | Guerin | you fucking idiot] |
| 03:29.48 | Gnea | wake up |
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| 03:29.50 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:29.50 | Gnea | he left |
| 03:29.54 | ke6isf | fuck. |
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| 03:29.59 | mage_ | he left like 30secs ago |
| 03:30.00 | Guerin | sorry to everyone with a nick starting with j |
| 03:30.02 | mage_ | dorks :) |
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| 03:30.12 | dondelelcaro | Gnea, Guerin, ke6isf: use /ignore instead of berating people like that please. |
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| 03:30.16 | Gnea | Guerin: it's just irc man :) |
| 03:30.21 | mmiikkee12 | dondelelcaro et al: got it |
| 03:30.24 | mmiikkee12 | Linux debian 2.6.12-gentoo-r6 #1 SMP Sat Sep 3 18:58:33 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:30.33 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: bollocks, he was being wilfully stupid |
| 03:30.34 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: *nod* |
| 03:30.36 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: so yes, you're running a gentoo kernel. |
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| 03:30.42 | mmiikkee12 | yeah |
| 03:31.00 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: that's fine, just use /ignore; being abusive is as bad as being willfully stupid |
| 03:31.09 | mmiikkee12 | shouldn't /boot/vmlinuz link to the kernel i just installed though? |
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| 03:31.52 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: This is why you get to wear the hat, sir - you keep a cool head. =^^= |
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| 03:32.41 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: if that's actually the default kernel, perhaps; but that's all dependent on your lilo.conf |
| 03:32.59 | mmiikkee12 | yes, lilo.conf points to /boot/vmlinuz |
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| 03:33.27 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: and if you ls -l /boot/vmlinuz it's actually pointing at the proper kernel? use the paster bot to paste your lilo.conf |
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| 03:33.37 | Zenethian | I wonder when qt4 will be put in unstable. |
| 03:33.40 | mmiikkee12 | bah, another reboot... |
| 03:33.48 | mmiikkee12 | hold on |
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| 03:34.04 | mmiikkee12 | anything else to run while i'm there? |
| 03:34.58 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: actually running lilo -v -v; and the output of that will help as wlel. |
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| 03:35.30 | EdLin | Zenethian: it's comming soon according to debian-devel-announce, IIRC. |
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| 03:35.42 | Zenethian | Ahh, groovy. |
| 03:35.51 | Zenethian | I'll go dig through debian-devel-announce to see |
| 03:36.11 | mmiikkee12 | ok, brb |
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| 03:36.19 | EdLin | Zenethian: they have to get g++ 4.0 stablized, so don't hold your breath. ;-) |
| 03:36.24 | Zenethian | ah right. |
| 03:36.24 | Gnea | !ops *!mpouuqre@* is replicating further |
| 03:36.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: *!mpouuqre@* is replicating further |
| 03:36.27 | Zenethian | hah. |
| 03:36.55 | ElectricElf | Gnea: There are still very few of them |
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| 03:37.03 | ElectricElf | Gnea: Unless they're spamming, not worth the bother |
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| 03:37.29 | ElectricElf | Gnea: (It's also not so much spreading as it is reconnecting. :) |
| 03:37.32 | Zenethian | is it a virus? |
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| 03:37.37 | Zenethian | or just an annoyance? |
| 03:37.41 | dondelelcaro | Zenethian: yes. |
| 03:37.43 | Gnea | both |
| 03:37.48 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:37.53 | Zenethian | One goes with the other. :) |
| 03:38.08 | Gnea | that would be a correct assessment |
| 03:38.19 | EdLin | why does this channel get spammed more than others? |
| 03:38.26 | Zenethian | it's popular. |
| 03:38.37 | m2 | EdLin: larger, better linked, I'd guess |
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| 03:38.41 | Zenethian | Maybe they're mandrake spammers. |
| 03:38.41 | Zenethian | :D |
| 03:38.43 | Guerin | EdLin: I don't know it does |
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| 03:38.45 | Zenethian | or Redhat spammers |
| 03:38.46 | Gnea | EdLin: might have to do with the number of people in it? |
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| 03:38.52 | Guerin | all the big channels get it |
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| 03:39.03 | EdLin | !Zenethian++ |
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| 03:39.12 | Zenethian | =) |
| 03:39.13 | jzxu | anyone here know where I should go to ask a question about xml-soap? |
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| 03:39.25 | TwistedEmotions | here? |
| 03:39.26 | m2 | hmm... "edlin"... I'm going to have nightmares! |
| 03:39.34 | Zenethian | jzxu: #xml or maybe the language you're trying to use it in |
| 03:39.39 | TwistedEmotions | !seen deadcat |
| 03:39.39 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian (8h 56m 9s). Has said a total of 24872 messages. Is idling for 7h 42m 29s |
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| 03:39.52 | EdLin | Gnea: that's the obvious answer, but I don't recall so many bots on ##linux, and a few others, even though they're pretty big. |
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| 03:40.23 | dondelelcaro | EdLin: they've basically been targetting the huge channels, and I think ##linux may be +r |
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| 03:40.40 | dondelelcaro | ah, it's just +R |
| 03:40.48 | EdLin | dondelelcaro: what's +r/+R |
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| 03:40.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell EdLin -about fn modes |
| 03:41.06 | dondelelcaro | EdLin: there is the answer to all of your questions about modes... |
| 03:41.33 | EdLin | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 03:44.01 | steve__ | !marillat |
| 03:44.01 | dpkg | somebody said marillat was an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 03:45.23 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what the last version kernel supported by VMware is? For debian kernels I mean... Are there any debian kernels prebuilt with vmware support? |
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| 03:47.16 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: probably not; perhaps try #vmware? [or just use xen?] |
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| 03:47.58 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: damn vmware... ;P They need a updated version. |
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| 03:48.20 | phaedra | TwistedEmotions, vmware should build the modules you need when you config it if you have the .c header files for the kernek installed. |
| 03:48.33 | phaedra | kernel even... |
| 03:48.43 | TwistedEmotions | phaedra: it gives me errors |
| 03:48.44 | TwistedEmotions | ;P |
| 03:49.06 | Gumby | if I use tar to backup / will that also get dotfiles and keep symlinks intact? |
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| 03:49.07 | phaedra | TwistedEmotions, What errors? |
| 03:49.17 | TwistedEmotions | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
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| 03:49.22 | TwistedEmotions | no matter what I cant fix it ;P |
| 03:49.33 | Gumby | TwistedEmotions: install the kernel headers |
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| 03:49.43 | Gumby | not kernel source |
| 03:49.45 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: not necessarily, it depends on which kernel you're running and where the kernel-headers package is installed to |
| 03:49.52 | phaedra | TwistedEmotions, Even after you pass the header dir to it? |
| 03:50.08 | phaedra | TwistedEmotions, The *full* path to the headers... |
| 03:50.08 | Gumby | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.x.x. |
| 03:50.15 | Gumby | that will allow you to install vmware |
| 03:50.22 | Gumby | I did it just yesterday |
| 03:50.23 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.34 | TwistedEmotions | Ran that... still doesnt work... |
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| 03:50.41 | Gumby | you are running ubuntu arent you |
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| 03:51.02 | Gumby | TwistedEmotions: whats the output of uname -r |
| 03:51.05 | nvz | that was strange my bridge stopped recieving packets for like an hour. but I didnt get disconnected from freenode |
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| 03:51.15 | TwistedEmotions | The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686-smp" is an existing directory, but it does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected. |
| 03:51.26 | nvz | in other news I got a fan club now I think |
| 03:51.26 | TwistedEmotions | 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
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| 03:52.02 | TwistedEmotions | ME? Ubunta? |
| 03:52.04 | Gumby | debian packages are kernel-headers-x.x.x |
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| 03:52.08 | Gumby | not linux-headers |
| 03:52.14 | phaedra | TwistedEmotions, put the 'include' dir at the end of the path. |
| 03:52.25 | m2 | Gumby: it's called linux-foo now. |
| 03:52.29 | garyc | what architecture is a pentium 2 processor? |
| 03:52.39 | Zenethian | Umm |
| 03:52.39 | dondelelcaro | i686 |
| 03:52.42 | Zenethian | x86? :) |
| 03:52.43 | nvz | i686 |
| 03:52.44 | Gumby | m2: since when? Ive got an updated sarge and its kernel-headers |
| 03:52.54 | Gumby | ah, I see linux-kernel-headers |
| 03:52.54 | dondelelcaro | or IA32 or x86 or whatever you're talking about |
| 03:53.02 | m2 | Gumby: since unstable. Two/three weeks IIRC |
| 03:53.07 | TwistedEmotions | phaedra: haha... it worked. |
| 03:53.17 | m2 | Gumby: linux-headers-2.6-386 - Architecture-specific header files for Linux kernel 2.6 on 386-class machines |
| 03:53.20 | m2 | Gumby: for example. |
| 03:53.24 | phaedra | TwistedEmotions, Remember, *full* path... ;) |
| 03:53.26 | Gumby | m2: unstable sources? |
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| 03:53.45 | nvz | if anyone may have an idea why my bridge stopped recieving packets I would love to hear it.. I came in and looked like I was still connected to freenode and nobody said anything in an hour.. then I tried to ping our and it resolved and sent but never came back |
| 03:53.45 | m2 | Gumby: unstable as in sid. |
| 03:54.08 | Gumby | ok, anywho... |
| 03:54.15 | Gumby | if I use tar to backup / will that also get dotfiles and keep symlinks intact? |
| 03:54.24 | Daffy-PKF | does someone know a little of iptables here? everybody seems to sleep on #iptables... |
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| 03:55.08 | m2 | Gumby: yup, if called with the right parameters |
| 03:55.33 | TwistedEmotions | It worked but I get the error as far as networking... /tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet-only/bridge.c: In function 'VNetBridgeUp': /tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet-only/bridge.c:716: warning: passing argument 3 of 'sk_alloc' makes pointer from integer without a cast /tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet-only/bridge.c:716: warning: passing argument 4 of 'sk_alloc' makes integer from pointer without a cast |
| 03:55.44 | m2 | Gumby: I mean, symlinks are stored, yes. dotfiles, too, as long as your tar command includes them. |
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| 03:55.59 | m2 | Gumby: e.g. tar cvzf backup.tar.gz ~/ |
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| 03:57.03 | Gumby | m2 ~/ is home dir, not / |
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| 03:57.36 | m2 | Gumby: oh, duh! I misread :-) |
| 03:57.40 | Gumby | hehe |
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| 03:57.53 | Gumby | well, the directory doesnt matter, as long as those are the proper flags |
| 03:58.02 | Daffy-PKF | i have this: "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p TCP --destination-port 4662 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.2:4662", how can i revert that? (i make a script that allow me to enable/disable protocols), should it be "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p TCP --destination-port 4662 -j DROP" ? |
| 03:58.13 | kingsley | WHy would audio applications report "Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such device" after upgrading the kernel to 2.6.12-1-k7 when "ls -l /dev/dsp" reports "crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Sep 19 2004 /dev/dsp"? |
| 03:58.24 | m2 | Gumby: as long as you use /, instead of, say, /*, it will pick up the dotfiles |
| 03:58.49 | Gumby | and symlinks? |
| 03:58.57 | m2 | Gumby: and symlinks, too. |
| 03:59.00 | Gumby | excellent |
| 03:59.02 | Gumby | here goes |
| 03:59.05 | jkern | gumby, if you want to be more selective there are other commands to explore, e.g., find and xargs |
| 03:59.10 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: you haven't loaded the oss emulation module in alsa, most likely. |
| 03:59.13 | litage | is there a way to change the height or width of an object in Dia without scaling both the height and width at the same time? (Eg: make the object wider, but not taller) |
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| 03:59.43 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: that error message refers to the fact that the device node is unconnected, not that it's not there at all. |
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| 04:02.07 | mmiikkee12 | dondelelcaro, etc.:ls -l /boot/vmlinuz returned "-rw-r--r-- 2 root root 1170965 May 19 05:27 /boot/vmlinuz", -L just said /boot/vmlinuz |
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| 04:03.24 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: eh? /boot/vmlinuz should be a symlink to the actual kernel name |
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| 04:03.38 | mmiikkee12 | interestingly enough... |
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| 04:03.48 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: something tells me that gentoo just stuck their kernel as /boot/vmlinuz |
| 04:03.50 | mmiikkee12 | hold on, i'll pastebin the other 2 |
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| 04:09.58 | error403 | am i correct in saying that file permissions are in the form <owner><group><public> ? |
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| 04:10.12 | mmiikkee12 | user, group, others |
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| 04:10.24 | error403 | right |
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| 04:10.49 | jkern | Are not debian kernels installed in /boo/ to which symlinks in / point: "...vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.13" for example |
| 04:10.53 | error403 | mmiikkee12, what about the very first bit? (seems to be l,d or c) |
| 04:10.54 | mmiikkee12 | that's the "correct" terminology for it :D |
| 04:11.11 | mmiikkee12 | huh? |
| 04:11.14 | jdhutchin1 | jkern, iirc usually debian doesn't like /vmlinuz to the kernel |
| 04:11.19 | jdhutchin1 | *link |
| 04:11.26 | jdhutchin1 | if you use grub, there's no need to |
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| 04:11.36 | jdhutchin1 | and update-grub pretty much does it automatically |
| 04:11.39 | error403 | for example, mmiikkee12, 'drwxr-xr-x' |
| 04:12.05 | error403 | mmiikkee12, i know that means read/write/execute for user, and read/execute for group and others |
| 04:12.13 | error403 | but what is the d |
| 04:12.13 | mmiikkee12 | uh... |
| 04:12.15 | error403 | ? |
| 04:12.17 | jkern | jdhutchin1, maybe my ancient installation of sid retains the aforementioned convention; so, ignore it as needed |
| 04:12.40 | m2 | error403: d is directory. |
| 04:12.51 | error403 | m2, aha! |
| 04:13.00 | error403 | d = dir, l = link? |
| 04:13.04 | error403 | and c? |
| 04:13.11 | mmiikkee12 | Symbol in the position 0 ("-")is the type of the file. It is either "d" if the item is a directory, or "l" if it is a link, or "-" if the item is a regular file. |
| 04:13.21 | m2 | error403: character device. |
| 04:13.29 | m2 | error403: look in /dev for example. |
| 04:13.32 | jkern | jdhutchin1, I still have lilo |
| 04:13.33 | error403 | m2, mmiikkee12, thanks! |
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| 04:13.39 | mmiikkee12 | yw |
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| 04:13.51 | error403 | m2, it was /dev where i saw 'c' ... |
| 04:13.53 | error403 | :P |
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| 04:14.34 | mmiikkee12 | anyone know why i'm running a gentoo kernel in debian? |
| 04:15.17 | mmiikkee12 | what's the name of the debian kernel? |
| 04:15.20 | error403 | to give write permission on my ipod, would the best idea be to change the group of the dir it is mounted in to one which the user is a member of, and set read/write/execute for user ans group? |
| 04:15.20 | m2 | mmiikkee12: 'cuz you installed gentoo? |
| 04:15.33 | error403 | instead of global read/write.... |
| 04:15.43 | m2 | mmiikkee12: no, seriously, did you install gentoo? |
| 04:15.53 | m2 | mmiikkee12: is /boot shared between the two installations? |
| 04:15.55 | mmiikkee12 | yes, but a different partition |
| 04:16.01 | mmiikkee12 | no |
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| 04:16.24 | m2 | mmiikkee12: is /boot on a partition by itself? |
| 04:16.29 | mmiikkee12 | no |
| 04:16.44 | mmiikkee12 | each install has a /boot inside the root partition |
| 04:16.48 | nvz | gonna have to spank that girl across the street next time I see her. she's been a bad little girl >:) |
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| 04:17.08 | error403 | nvz, lol |
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| 04:17.28 | nvz | error403: she has. |
| 04:17.40 | error403 | is the 'plugdev' group best for things like ipods? |
| 04:17.40 | locsmif | hi, has anybody had segfaults with rpm and memtest with debian sid recently? rpm does not run at all, it only segfaults. |
| 04:18.06 | nvz | error403: she was flashing me earlier.. she knew I was sitting in my yard and did it on purpose |
| 04:18.15 | error403 | nvz, cool? |
| 04:18.16 | m2 | mmiikkee12: hmm... the standard installation ships with /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-386 I *think* |
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| 04:18.28 | mmiikkee12 | locsmif: why are you running rpm in debian? |
| 04:18.34 | locsmif | mmiikkee12, because |
| 04:18.36 | jkern | locsmif, folks here are reluctant to comment on sid because it really can be "unstable" |
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| 04:18.40 | mmiikkee12 | yes, it's 2.6.8 |
| 04:18.47 | mmiikkee12 | 386 you say? |
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| 04:18.48 | nvz | would be cool if I was 2 years younger or she was two years older and her dad wasnt trying to be my pal |
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| 04:19.00 | mmiikkee12 | i have that and 686 for some reason |
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| 04:19.07 | Lur | hi |
| 04:19.16 | m2 | mmiikkee12: 686 is the kernel for Pentiums and above... |
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| 04:19.23 | mmiikkee12 | celeron? |
| 04:19.28 | error403 | m2, you mean AMD then? |
| 04:19.31 | m2 | mmiikkee12: yes, that, too |
| 04:19.35 | error403 | :P |
| 04:19.36 | locsmif | jkern, yep, I think it's related to the fact that I run it on an acer 8004LMiB though, the bios on that laptop is buggy |
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| 04:19.46 | m2 | error403: AMDs have their own, but the 686 work, too. |
| 04:19.52 | mmiikkee12 | ok, so i should point lilo to the 686 one? |
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| 04:20.01 | locsmif | I don't see others with the same problems, however I've ruled out hardware failure |
| 04:20.04 | error403 | m2, i meant above pentium |
| 04:20.06 | m2 | mmiikkee12: should work, yes. |
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| 04:20.10 | error403 | :P |
| 04:20.11 | Lur | anyone use naim here? |
| 04:20.15 | mmiikkee12 | ok, thanks |
| 04:20.30 | mmiikkee12 | i'll do that some other time to avoid another reboot now |
| 04:20.33 | mmiikkee12 | :P |
| 04:20.34 | Overfiend | Any U.S. people in here? |
| 04:20.37 | Overfiend | I've gotta spread the bad news. |
| 04:20.38 | error403 | m2, i think Intel hit their peak efficiency-wise at the P3 |
| 04:20.38 | mmiikkee12 | me... |
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| 04:20.47 | jkern | locsmif, with sid it is hard to know the source of the problem anyhow |
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| 04:20.55 | Overfiend | Rehnquist died. Bush gets ANOTHER Supreme Court appointment. We're *fucked*. |
| 04:21.10 | error403 | m2, i used to have a p3, gutted that i sold it... solid as a rock, with a 15% overclock, and still running cold, on stock cooling... |
| 04:21.24 | Une-ga-dihi | Overfiend, when? |
| 04:21.24 | mmiikkee12 | uh... |
| 04:21.31 | Overfiend | and I'm badly off topic for this channel, so I'd better shut up :) |
| 04:21.36 | error403 | Overand, what he die of? </tin-foil-hat> |
| 04:21.46 | m2 | Overfiend: and I was going to ask if you get to have Bush for another term, but that's pretty much the same :-P |
| 04:21.54 | locsmif | jkern, I straced rpm, it chokes on an old_mmap, it seems there are problems with paging, I think it must be some lib because I tested with other 2.6 kernels and even did a chroot with a 2.4. All failed. |
| 04:22.25 | Lur | anyone know if a good command line aim client? |
| 04:22.29 | nvz | Overfiend: you cant beat me when it comes to off-topic I mean I am sitting here talking about some teenagers showing thier tits |
| 04:22.38 | locsmif | Overfiend, it doesn't matter, there's no constitution left to judge over. |
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| 04:22.49 | Une-ga-dihi | locsmif, true |
| 04:22.49 | error403 | nvz, very off-topic in a linux channel! :P |
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| 04:22.59 | jkern | locsmif, you are apparently much more adept than I, my friend -- note though that help for sid is hard to find here sometimes |
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| 04:23.19 | locsmif | jkern, ah, that's fine :) |
| 04:23.24 | locsmif | just wanted to check the temp :) |
| 04:23.31 | mmiikkee12 | my turn to be off topic... |
| 04:23.39 | mmiikkee12 | downloaf! |
| 04:23.41 | mmiikkee12 | :D |
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| 04:24.22 | mmiikkee12 | guess nobody gets the joke... you guys need to watch #tuxtalk more often |
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| 04:24.53 | chealer | Overfiend, what? you didn't move yet? |
| 04:24.54 | Lur | what is a good command line aim client |
| 04:24.55 | nvz | error403: yeah well.. its still interesting |
| 04:25.04 | Lur | that I can use in an ssh |
| 04:25.06 | jkern | locsmif, seems quite cold at the moment eh? |
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| 04:26.00 | nvz | more interesting then when her dad is out there working in the yard and showing off his tits anyhow |
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| 04:27.43 | Dr_Fate | could anyone help me find the Tk module so I can change it to use png instead of gif? |
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| 04:27.59 | Dr_Fate | I'm trying to use the updated smtm but I'm using Ubuntu |
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| 04:28.18 | Dr_Fate | changing my source.list did not work |
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| 04:29.02 | syuusuke | question, how come the fonts in firefox look weird comparing to firefox on Windows? |
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| 04:29.46 | mmiikkee12 | syuusuke: becase it's not using MS fonts? |
| 04:29.49 | nvz | take off your microsoft goggles |
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| 04:30.00 | lunaphyte | why would a stable install recognize my nic but a testing install doesn't? |
| 04:30.04 | syuusuke | lol, its just harder to read imo |
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| 04:30.28 | mmiikkee12 | lunaphyte: a stable intall is more stable :) |
| 04:30.35 | syuusuke | is it possible to use MS fonts in Debian? |
| 04:30.41 | lunaphyte | ha ha very funny.. ;) |
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| 04:31.19 | mmiikkee12 | syuusuke: should be possible with somethinf\g |
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| 04:31.22 | m2 | syuusuke: apt-cache search microsoft fonts |
| 04:31.25 | mmiikkee12 | *something |
| 04:31.29 | orchid | yes theres msttcorefonts |
| 04:31.30 | lunaphyte | i'm stuck in this catch 22... for some freakish reason, stable won't recognize my cdrom drive (even though it did last time i installed) and testing won't recognize my network card. |
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| 04:31.45 | syuusuke | sweet, thanks ill google for more info :) |
| 04:31.50 | mmiikkee12 | run stablesting :D |
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| 04:32.03 | m2 | lunaphyte: standard IDE CD-ROM? |
| 04:32.08 | rakesh | hello |
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| 04:32.19 | lunaphyte | m2: yeah - really odd. |
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| 04:32.35 | lunaphyte | it boots off the thing, then tells me it can't find it |
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| 04:33.00 | rakesh | hello debhelper |
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| 04:33.20 | m2 | lunaphyte: dmesg | grep -i dvd or dmesg | grep -i cd-rom |
| 04:33.23 | mmiikkee12 | did you happen to compile a kernel and leave out ide cd-rom support out? |
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| 04:33.54 | boris`` | debian sucks |
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| 04:34.03 | m2 | lunaphyte: oh, you mean not even the installer? |
| 04:34.07 | error403 | !troll boris`` |
| 04:34.09 | error403 | lol |
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| 04:34.17 | rakesh | can some one help me too |
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| 04:34.26 | mmiikkee12 | !kick boris`` |
| 04:34.39 | error403 | !pal boris`` |
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| 04:34.51 | boris`` | "pal"? |
| 04:34.57 | rakesh | hello people |
| 04:34.58 | boris`` | are you gay or something? |
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| 04:35.02 | rakesh | can some one help me |
| 04:35.07 | mmiikkee12 | !slap boris`` |
| 04:35.13 | m2 | rakesh: just ask away... |
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| 04:35.13 | error403 | * dpkg points at boris`` and laughs |
| 04:35.19 | deadcat | !ops boris`` trolling |
| 04:35.19 | litage | i'm running a P4 3ghz with kernel 2.6.8-2-686. do i need to do anything in particular to enable hyperthreading support in the kernel? |
| 04:35.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: boris`` trolling |
| 04:35.22 | error403 | !fuck boris`` |
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| 04:35.30 | error403 | :O |
| 04:35.36 | boris`` | oh god, stop the abuse, i can't take it. |
| 04:35.38 | rakesh | i just installed x window and i dont see the gui |
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| 04:35.41 | error403 | !fuck results in a gangbang now? |
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| 04:35.53 | lunaphyte | m2: yeah. this testing install i'm running now sees it as "hda: sony cd-rom cdu512, atapi cd/dvd-rom drive' |
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| 04:36.04 | alexscott | (amsg)plop |
| 04:36.05 | litage | rakesh: try running `startx` |
| 04:36.07 | m2 | litage: IF you motherboard supports HT, you need to install the -smp kernel, AFAIR |
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| 04:36.11 | boris`` | my client doesn't like it when you do that |
| 04:36.14 | rakesh | will that do it? |
| 04:36.15 | error403 | hehe, we got rid of the troll |
| 04:36.18 | boris`` | so don't do it, bitch. |
| 04:36.19 | rakesh | thats it |
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| 04:36.26 | Phated | Wrong troll. |
| 04:36.30 | boris`` | i thought i just told you not to do that |
| 04:36.32 | litage | m2: how can i determine if the mobo supports HT? |
| 04:36.34 | m2 | lunaphyte: hda is your CD-ROM? mmm'key... |
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| 04:36.37 | mmiikkee12 | boris``: that's why you don't say debian sucks in a debian channel... |
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| 04:36.58 | litage | m2: IE: is there a way to determine that in linux, or should i just rtf mobo manual? |
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| 04:37.04 | lunaphyte | m2: mmm.. that _is_ odd, now that you mention it. |
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| 04:37.09 | deadcat | Phated: these weakings dont dare to use !ops so i HAVE to do something (= |
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| 04:37.46 | m2 | litage: not sure, really. I guess the manual should say it. |
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| 04:37.56 | Phated | deadcat: HEheh. |
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| 04:44.25 | peter_ | hi |
| 04:44.29 | peter_ | ?? |
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| 04:44.53 | Guerin | peter_: you are not alone |
| 04:44.53 | ^chewie | peter_: hi |
| 04:44.53 | error403 | !bitchslap error403 |
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| 04:44.58 | error403 | lol |
| 04:45.03 | peter_ | *chuckles* okay cool... |
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| 04:45.17 | peter_ | I cannot remember the last time I used IRC on a console >< |
| 04:45.17 | omnibike | anyone here have great skills with private addressing ? |
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| 04:45.50 | peter_ | It's weird << >> |
| 04:45.54 | omnibike | I understand private addressing does not route from or to the Internet, but in a closed environment can it route between different private subnets without using NAT ? |
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| 04:46.16 | ^chewie | depends on how you have things set up |
| 04:46.37 | ^chewie | but yes |
| 04:46.38 | omnibike | just standard routing tables |
| 04:46.45 | ^chewie | multiple nics? |
| 04:46.47 | peter_ | ne ways.... I seem to have a problem installing any .deb package >.< the shell says that it can't find the file... tips? |
| 04:46.51 | ^chewie | (and you won't need NAT) |
| 04:46.54 | omnibike | yes, thats what I have |
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| 04:47.31 | ^chewie | peter_: specify the full path name of the deb file, not just the package name |
| 04:47.36 | ^chewie | peter_: otherwise use apt |
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| 04:47.51 | omnibike | and just out of interest, whats the difference between ip route and using route add when setting up routes ? |
| 04:47.52 | peter_ | hmm... |
| 04:47.59 | peter_ | lemme try that |
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| 04:48.12 | ^chewie | omnibike: "ip route" is the iproute tool |
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| 04:48.27 | ^chewie | omnibike: "route add" is the old tools |
| 04:48.28 | omnibike | they both do the same ? |
| 04:48.33 | ^chewie | omnibike: they both work the same |
| 04:48.38 | omnibike | cool, thanks |
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| 04:48.47 | ^chewie | omnibike: set up your network interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:49.15 | ^chewie | omnibike: then enable ip forwarding in /etc/network/options |
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| 04:49.25 | peter_ | that didn't work >< |
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| 04:49.38 | ^chewie | peter_: the file is there? You can verify it with ls |
| 04:49.40 | omnibike | I've been getting wierd errors after removing my current routes and attempting to add mine |
| 04:49.51 | omnibike | do you just leave the default ones on installation |
| 04:50.03 | peter_ | yeah I know that it's there.. I've been using tab to autocomplete the name |
| 04:50.23 | ^chewie | peter_: you're using sudo to install it? |
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| 04:50.36 | ^chewie | peter_: try using "sudo dpkg --install ./FILE" |
| 04:50.39 | peter_ | I'm trying to install the nVidia deb package. It's located in my home folder and I switch to su mode |
| 04:50.41 | ^chewie | peter_: prefix with the ./ |
| 04:50.48 | peter_ | yeah I know that |
| 04:50.48 | ^chewie | ahh |
| 04:50.56 | omnibike | for example, on install a route is created to the subnet but no gateways are added, so I just deleted these and tried to create a route to the same network with a gateway |
| 04:50.58 | peter_ | this is my first time using debian but not linux ;p |
| 04:51.05 | deadcat | !tell peter_ about nvidia one-liner |
| 04:51.25 | ^chewie | omnibike: you only need a gateway on your external interface |
| 04:51.32 | peter_ | yeah ;p |
| 04:51.36 | peter_ | get the sources eh? |
| 04:51.52 | deadcat | peter_: no. follow the instructions |
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| 04:52.07 | ^chewie | peter_: is it complaining about the one file you have, or dependencies you don't have? |
| 04:52.09 | peter_ | sec |
| 04:52.21 | salahuddin | hello i was using debian testing. i gave apt-get dist-upgrade. then it upgrade the kde 3.4 and xorg. but when i try install kaffeine or other kde software it says that Depends: kdelibs4 (>=4:3.3.2-4.0.2) but not installable & i can't use xorg still it is using xfree86 still any hint, thanx |
| 04:52.27 | peter_ | it's telling me that the .deb file which I can confirm is there... does not exist >< |
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| 04:52.47 | omnibike | I get ya... the gateway would be for any other packets not matching the routes available.. then it pushes it out through the gateway |
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| 04:53.00 | ^chewie | omnibike: yep |
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| 04:53.31 | omnibike | thanks for your help chewie :) |
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| 04:53.56 | ^chewie | omnibike: did it work? |
| 04:53.57 | peter_ | thats a pretty impressive command there deadcat ;p |
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| 04:54.30 | deadcat | peter_: what commands? |
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| 04:54.49 | litage | if compiling a program with gcc says that it can't find the headers stdio.h, signal.h, unistd.h, etc., which package(s) should i install? |
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| 04:55.12 | omnibike | chewie: I need to pysically set it up first.. will probably only know later today but thanks for the tips |
| 04:55.13 | ^chewie | litage: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 04:55.20 | peter_ | the -- apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -- looks like somthing that shoudl go into a sh script |
| 04:55.21 | m2 | litage: libc6-dev probably |
| 04:55.24 | jkern | salahuddin, did you dist-upgrade to sid/unstable? |
| 04:55.24 | ^chewie | omnibike: NP |
| 04:55.29 | error403 | is a cp command automatically recursive? |
| 04:55.39 | m2 | error403: nope. |
| 04:55.43 | ^chewie | omnibike: good luck |
| 04:55.47 | omnibike | ta |
| 04:55.49 | ^chewie | error403: nope |
| 04:55.54 | salahuddin | jkern: yap |
| 04:55.56 | error403 | ok, thanks... |
| 04:56.07 | litage | thanks |
| 04:56.09 | error403 | is the 'plugdev' group best for things like ipods? |
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| 04:56.24 | error403 | (a question i asked a while ago, went unanswered... |
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| 04:56.47 | ^chewie | error403: ugh |
| 04:56.59 | ^chewie | error403: you're using the hotplug setup or the udev? |
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| 04:57.13 | ^chewie | error403: my question doesn't matter really |
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| 04:57.20 | peter_ | theres actually one other thing before I slide back to the net for build instructions... what is the difference between nvidia-glx-ia32 and nvidia-glx ?? they both seem to have amd64 package sets... >< |
| 04:57.20 | ^chewie | error403: it's totally up to you what security you want |
| 04:57.25 | jkern | salahuddin, well, that is a problem. sid is called unstable because it really is unstable sometimes. Folks here are reluctant to help with those problems. You could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg |
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| 04:58.19 | salahuddin | jkern: oh, thanx |
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| 04:58.36 | peter_ | LOL!.... *facepalm* answered my own question *chuckles* |
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| 04:59.06 | litage | thanks m2, that fixed it |
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| 04:59.11 | peter_ | I forgot to change it to apt-get install nvidia-glx instead of just nvidia... |
| 04:59.12 | error403 | ^chewie, well, basically i wanted to set the dir my ipod is mounted in to be a group the user is a member of, and then give write permissions to 'group' |
| 04:59.13 | peter_ | thanks all |
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| 05:16.33 | raden | can anyone tell me why my system was rebooting constently earlier i took the mobo out and reseated in the case and so far it is fine ? |
| 05:16.52 | raden | maybe i shpouldnt complain |
| 05:16.53 | Guerin | raden: could be a short |
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| 05:17.21 | raden | Guerin, I looked everywhere |
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| 05:17.30 | Guerin | raden: you may well have |
| 05:17.31 | raden | then again a piece of hair can conduict voltage |
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| 05:17.56 | raden | just weird 2 days old |
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| 05:18.08 | Guerin | i once had to put foam rubber under the case mounts on a mobo to stop short-circuits |
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| 05:18.22 | raden | Interesting.... |
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| 05:18.34 | ke6isf | Guerin: Now that's a hack. |
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| 05:18.48 | Guerin | ke6isf: :) |
| 05:18.53 | raden | it was just doing it when she was put under a load i still think the Mobos shot but we will see if i can make it through linux install |
| 05:19.01 | Guerin | i'm about to put a computer together for a mate |
| 05:19.15 | Guerin | involves bolting the motherboard directly to the underside of his coffee table |
| 05:19.20 | Guerin | no case |
| 05:19.26 | Guerin | upside-down |
| 05:19.29 | Guerin | should be fun |
| 05:19.29 | ke6isf | Guerin: What are you doing about cooling? |
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| 05:19.49 | Guerin | ke6isf: it'll have a hsf on the chip; only a p3, so it won't get hot |
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| 05:20.15 | raden | here we crash again, same ole $h1t again |
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| 05:20.39 | raden | cntrl+alt+del dont even work |
| 05:20.44 | Guerin | raden: same mobo we told you was probably fucked due to pci problems earlier? |
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| 05:20.59 | raden | uhuh |
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| 05:21.05 | raden | cant get a mobo till thursday :( |
| 05:21.05 | Guerin | no surprises, then |
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| 05:21.32 | raden | its gotta be that board i dont know what else it could be :( |
| 05:21.41 | raden | changed mem changed proc |
| 05:21.57 | raden | and a power supply wouldnt act up that predictably i dont think |
| 05:22.08 | raden | then again i had a floppy drive that drove me nutz for 2 days |
| 05:22.11 | raden | we wont even go there |
| 05:22.20 | raden | i have to start carrying more spare parts at home |
| 05:22.50 | raden | when it crashes the screen jsut goes black |
| 05:22.58 | Guerin | raden: using X or console? |
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| 05:23.17 | raden | either |
| 05:23.20 | raden | installer |
| 05:23.22 | raden | Win XP |
| 05:23.24 | raden | Deb |
| 05:23.26 | raden | Suse |
| 05:23.29 | raden | Fedora |
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| 05:23.30 | raden | nothing |
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| 05:23.41 | raden | goes black and walla |
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| 05:23.43 | Guerin | raden: if it's on console, do you get any kernel panic output? |
| 05:23.47 | raden | have to hit the switch on the power supply |
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| 05:24.34 | raden | the very first time it crashed i rebooted I have the PCI parity shit my drive was messed up from not unmounting clean and i had a kernel panic tried to reinstall deb and now im here |
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| 05:26.12 | raden | gah It seems like a CPU issue buyt i knwo the other 2 i tried work flawlessly and when there in it doesnt lock iot halts the system and powers down wwith no warning |
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| 05:26.30 | ke6isf | raden: OK, what are you running on this? |
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| 05:26.49 | raden | ke6isf, running as in ? |
| 05:26.51 | litage | i'm patching my kernel, and one of the commands is "cp your-kernel-config-file .config". where is my kernel config file located? |
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| 05:27.01 | ke6isf | raden: operating system |
| 05:27.37 | raden | OS im trying to install suse 9.3 pro jsut for the fact i have built a few systems for other people and I know it works with this exact system yesterday was the first time i put deb on these |
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| 05:27.56 | raden | Its not a OS issue its defintly hardware |
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| 05:28.06 | raden | my system locked while in BIOS |
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| 05:28.21 | ke6isf | raden: It sounds like it's something to do with cooling, no less. Bad motherboard? |
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| 05:28.29 | raden | Just crashed again installing Disk 2 screen frooze |
| 05:28.54 | raden | ke6isf, i have a thermal pad on CPU 37.5 degree C on a cele D 2.4 no overclocking |
| 05:29.07 | raden | crucial ballistic memory |
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| 05:29.28 | raden | and my roomates cele D runs at 44 C and hes stable |
| 05:29.29 | RiseAgainst | raden |
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| 05:29.32 | raden | changed mem chips |
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| 05:29.37 | ke6isf | raden: I've seen stuff flambe for no good reason, though. |
| 05:29.38 | RiseAgainst | I had a similar problem were it would randomly crash |
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| 05:29.53 | RiseAgainst | the problem was something to do with the board going bad |
| 05:30.00 | raden | all imput is greatly considered im just telling you what ive done |
| 05:30.05 | ke6isf | raden: That, and I have a motherboard that, when used as a server in Mandreck, would halt no less than every 24 hours. |
| 05:30.06 | RiseAgainst | I just RMA'd it back the compay |
| 05:30.09 | RiseAgainst | company |
| 05:30.10 | raden | It has to be board |
| 05:30.18 | raden | i mean what else would cause it to lock in bios ? |
| 05:30.23 | RiseAgainst | yeah |
| 05:30.28 | RiseAgainst | your BIOS could be corrupt |
| 05:30.28 | ke6isf | raden: The board, or the CPU. One of those. |
| 05:30.37 | RiseAgainst | try to flash the BIOS? |
| 05:30.42 | ke6isf | RiseAgainst: If that were true, it would halt in the same place every time, yesno? |
| 05:30.50 | raden | I had a tyan S2390 i rember the model gahg back in the day with a duron 750 that would halt every day LOL stupid board |
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| 05:31.10 | raden | ke6isf, i put a P4 2.0 in it didnt halt but it started randomly rebooting :( |
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| 05:31.14 | ke6isf | You know what, though, that same board that would bork under server loads with Mandreck? I'm using it right now as my workstation on Sarge. |
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| 05:31.31 | ke6isf | raden: That removes the CPU from the equation. Mobo is shot. |
| 05:31.34 | raden | I cant get a stable bios LMAO |
| 05:31.47 | raden | well i only paid $43 |
| 05:31.52 | raden | thats 3 outta 20 |
| 05:31.54 | ke6isf | raden: Caveat emptor, dude. |
| 05:32.04 | raden | ke6isf, ? |
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| 05:32.24 | raden | what is a super stable processor |
| 05:32.25 | ke6isf | raden: "Let The Buyer Beware". IOW, you get what you pay for. |
| 05:32.31 | raden | besides a P4 prescott 2.4 |
| 05:32.52 | RiseAgainst | my Athlon XP is pretty stable |
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| 05:32.59 | RiseAgainst | 2500+ mobile |
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| 05:33.28 | raden | ke6isf, i was using the GIGABYTE GA-8VM533M-RZ for last year and 1/2 building systems good price point very stable till alst 4 months or soo this will be #3 to fail |
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| 05:33.58 | raden | ke6isf, a power supply couldnt cause this much caos could it ? |
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| 05:34.09 | RiseAgainst | it is possible raden |
| 05:34.43 | raden | hmmm.... ill order a PS and mobo :) |
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| 05:34.49 | raden | always good to have a spare |
| 05:34.54 | raden | anyone messed with 64 bit |
| 05:34.55 | RiseAgainst | What brand PSU is it? |
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| 05:35.20 | RiseAgainst | raden, the Athlon 64 chips are amazing |
| 05:35.21 | raden | i have a new 64 bit cele 2.53 GHz sitting here thinking of jsut ordering a board for that and trying that anbd waiting for my other one to come back |
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| 05:35.36 | raden | RiseAgainst, im going to take that into greate consideration |
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| 05:35.47 | raden | RiseAgainst, intel isnt trippin my trigger to much these days |
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| 05:36.00 | RiseAgainst | Yeah I know raden |
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| 05:36.03 | raden | i went away from amd due to sempron :( |
| 05:36.06 | ke6isf | raden: Occasionally. It would be a major voltage fluctuation if anything. |
| 05:36.22 | Guerin | i have a p4-2.4 which keepss going into 'modulated clock mode' |
| 05:36.30 | Guerin | which as i understand, it because it gets too hot |
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| 05:36.41 | Guerin | even when I underclock it to 1.8, it does |
| 05:36.45 | Guerin | stupid intel |
| 05:36.52 | raden | ke6isf, well I have that system on a UPS i have a volt meter on AC plug on UPS and then one on the power supply inside maybe 1% max fluctuation |
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| 05:37.07 | ke6isf | raden: That's not enough to cause problems. |
| 05:37.12 | raden | I figured |
| 05:37.23 | RiseAgainst | Overand, good luck with that |
| 05:37.29 | Overand | RiseAgainst: i've done like 40 gigs |
| 05:37.33 | raden | gigabyte and intel gah yuk |
| 05:37.35 | Overand | the problem is it's 160 gigs of 'mostly flac files' |
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| 05:37.46 | raden | 15% failure rate for both |
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| 05:37.51 | Overand | my music collection being really haphazard and including some album art i've scanned in like 30 meg tiff files etc =] |
| 05:37.55 | RiseAgainst | Raden, go Abit and AMD |
| 05:38.08 | raden | I rember when i used to build 200+ systems a year i think i had 2 bad boards and 1 bad amd |
| 05:38.08 | RiseAgainst | eh |
| 05:38.13 | raden | Abit rocks |
| 05:38.14 | RiseAgainst | I thought my 20 GB of music was alot |
| 05:38.18 | raden | how is Asus these days ? |
| 05:38.25 | RiseAgainst | qwkk |
| 05:38.27 | RiseAgainst | wekk |
| 05:38.29 | RiseAgainst | well |
| 05:38.34 | Overand | RiseAgainst: I keep all the music i copy from my own CDs in FLAC |
| 05:38.34 | Guerin | RiseAgainst: not if it's flac |
| 05:38.38 | Overand | so that's ~300 megs per album |
| 05:38.38 | RiseAgainst | I had an Asus board recently fail |
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| 05:38.47 | RiseAgainst | but the tech support was amazing |
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| 05:38.52 | Overand | I've probably got like 230 gigs of FLAC |
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| 05:38.57 | raden | RiseAgainst, ive had alot of them fail unfortunatly |
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| 05:39.05 | RiseAgainst | eh |
| 05:39.10 | RiseAgainst | go Abit |
| 05:39.10 | raden | i just like gigabyte cause it was such a painless isntall experiance :) |
| 05:39.21 | raden | Ill find a abit for the intel for now too |
| 05:39.26 | raden | i want a AMD 64 down the road :) |
| 05:39.37 | raden | I should jsut sell my EMT64 |
| 05:39.37 | Overand | man |
| 05:39.54 | Overand | what with the integrated memory controllers, dualcore amd really whips the ass of the intel chips re: memory bandwidth |
| 05:40.02 | styles | its my first time installing debian and i ran into a problem with grub, it seems the installer doesnt configure my grub correctly, my question is how to i manually edit my grub since im not able to boot the system |
| 05:40.02 | raden | im stuck in windows till thursday :(( |
| 05:40.11 | Overand | raden: download cygwin =] |
| 05:40.11 | ke6isf | raden: You have my sympathies. |
| 05:40.19 | Overand | it may not be *nix, but it helps |
| 05:40.19 | raden | thanks |
| 05:40.30 | RiseAgainst | eh |
| 05:40.32 | Overand | also google "cygwin rxvt" for how to get a *real* terminal there instead of windows junk |
| 05:40.33 | RiseAgainst | Windows |
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| 05:40.39 | kl1 | hi |
| 05:40.44 | kl1 | any one knows how can i see the machines around my network on terminal? |
| 05:40.44 | Overand | another option is 'puttycyg' but it's a little sluggish |
| 05:41.44 | raden | I would make this system im on dual boot but in 3 years i havent had windows XP pro crash once on a dell 4400 w/ 512 MB ram and a 1.6 P4 soo i wont mess with stability :) |
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| 05:42.03 | raden | thats pretty good for using dreamweaver and turbocad daily :) |
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| 05:42.17 | styles | anyone? |
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| 05:42.49 | EdLin | styles: use your install CD as a rescue CD (I don't recall if it's available from the opening screen or if you need to press F2 to go to a login prompt after starting the installer), then mount your hard drive and chroot into it, then edit it and run grub-install |
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| 05:42.58 | EdLin | !anyone |
| 05:42.59 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 05:43.07 | Overand | raden: windows can be a totally fine OS, if it's what you need. I don't generally try to convert people based on the OS's in *general* , more on the philosophy of FOSS, and when linux or other unixes are just better s uited |
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| 05:43.13 | Overand | (which i think is most of the time...heh) |
| 05:43.16 | styles | EdLin, thanks =) |
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| 05:43.48 | raden | Overand, I love linux just needs to be more software support for certain things mainly cad/cam and accounting programs |
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| 05:44.37 | dondelelcaro | raden: those are really a function of the application vendors; not much that can be done about it until they port or people implement them. |
| 05:44.49 | raden | very true |
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| 05:45.03 | raden | ive seen linux come soo far in last few years |
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| 05:45.09 | dondelelcaro | raden: for accounting, you'll probably find that gnucash has most of the things that people use anyway. |
| 05:45.10 | MaxPower | hey |
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| 05:45.20 | raden | 1 thing I can say is Linspire rocks for the computer illiterate |
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| 05:45.32 | RiseAgainst | Linspire! |
| 05:45.33 | RiseAgainst | evil |
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| 05:45.45 | raden | dondelelcaro, yeah for most part but not for business |
| 05:45.46 | Overand | raden: I think linux needs more in terms of *pro* audio mulitracking software |
| 05:45.46 | Overand | like |
| 05:45.48 | MaxPower | could someone help me please set the linux ftp user accounts just to be ftp users and not be able to ssl or telnet into the server? |
| 05:45.49 | dondelelcaro | the other thing is that it's not really Linux anyway, since that's just the kernel... it's the applications themselves that have improved. |
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| 05:45.52 | raden | 1 main function payroll is missing |
| 05:45.52 | Overand | i always reccomended people use audacity |
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| 05:45.57 | dondelelcaro | raden: there are very few businesses who use OTS software |
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| 05:46.02 | raden | Overand, agree strongly on that |
| 05:46.05 | Overand | but then i actually spent some time with audacity and like... ugh |
| 05:46.06 | EdLin | raden: it's better to give them Ubuntu if they need an easy to use Debian varient |
| 05:46.19 | RiseAgainst | Ubuntu |
| 05:46.22 | raden | EdLin, why yeah say that |
| 05:46.23 | RiseAgainst | isn't that easy |
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| 05:46.25 | Overand | i mean it gets the job done for REALLY simplistic stuff, but the interface is god awful and it's lacking in some serious functions |
| 05:46.36 | Overand | I mean I like, REALLY appreciate the app. |
| 05:46.38 | Echelon | is there a howto on how to use the latest linux kernel with debian? |
| 05:46.42 | Overand | It's just not *done* as far as I'm concerned. |
| 05:46.55 | dondelelcaro | Overand: so help out. |
| 05:46.55 | Overand | Echelon: probably, yes, but you should ask yourself the big 'why' |
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| 05:47.14 | Overand | dondelelcaro: Unfortunately I'm no good at programming anymore, and generally speaking, UI changes are... |
| 05:47.14 | raden | i like linspire for dummies, cause i was able to teach my mom in 20 min how to use her computer after she couldnt grtasp windows I was impressed :) |
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| 05:47.17 | Overand | heh |
| 05:47.20 | Overand | politically difficult to suggest |
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| 05:47.27 | raden | its actually easier the way its laid out for illeterate people |
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| 05:47.38 | dondelelcaro | Overand: doesn't matter; you can always learn... |
| 05:47.38 | raden | im not saying by any means its a great OS |
| 05:47.39 | Manoj_ | Echelon, what do you want to know? |
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| 05:47.51 | Overand | dondelelcaro: I'd love to help out with Audacity, but it's like... pretty obvious to anyone who's used pro audio software what's missing and what's wrong. |
| 05:47.56 | Guerin | my mum loves debian |
| 05:47.56 | Overand | dondelelcaro: have you used audacity? |
| 05:48.01 | t3ch9 | good day |
| 05:48.12 | t3ch9 | can you please help me to update my kernel |
| 05:48.14 | dondelelcaro | Overand: I haven't bothered; I personally use ecasound when I need anything like that |
| 05:48.15 | Overand | (like anything beyond a very cursory open a file, hit play, say 'hm' and close it) |
| 05:48.21 | t3ch9 | this is my 1st time to use debian |
| 05:48.22 | MaxPower | HI, Could someone tell me how to set the user accounts in debian just for FTP so people cant telnet/ssh into the server please?? |
| 05:48.33 | raden | im saying for people who need simple stuff ( internet , word processing, e-mail, Music, and some games ) linspire rocks :) and very easy for people too use :) and 1 hard hit to M$ cause linspire is gaining ground fast |
| 05:48.35 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Yes, we can. What version of DEbian are you running, and what kernel are you running? |
| 05:48.38 | Guerin | MaxPower: -s /bin/false |
| 05:48.47 | Overand | dondelelcaro: looks very interesting |
| 05:48.50 | dondelelcaro | (and ecasound is probably impossible for anybody who calls themselves a user of "pro audio software") |
| 05:48.51 | raden | Guerin, my mom didnt knwo what a moues was till a year ago |
| 05:48.54 | MaxPower | thanks Guerin |
| 05:49.05 | Overand | dondelelcaro: I can use command line apps =] |
| 05:49.09 | Guerin | MaxPower: add /bin/false to /etc/shells if necessary |
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| 05:49.17 | Overand | I'd just probably end up gnawing off my arm if I had to use this for the kind of stuff I do day to day |
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| 05:49.21 | MaxPower | raden, mine either.. now she has a ebay addiction hehe |
| 05:49.23 | raden | I cant believe out of 3 computers im stuck in windwos :( |
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| 05:49.29 | raden | MaxPower, LMAO :) |
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| 05:49.42 | Overand | dondelelcaro: it looks like an incredibly powerful package in some areas |
| 05:49.46 | raden | MaxPower, hopefully more on te selling side :) |
| 05:49.58 | MaxPower | yup |
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| 05:50.10 | MaxPower | buying n selling bed linen n cartoon stickers |
| 05:50.11 | MaxPower | hehe |
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| 05:50.20 | dondelelcaro | Overand: it's insanely powerful... but it's rather like a analog synth... totally useless in most people's hands |
| 05:50.21 | raden | that works |
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| 05:50.36 | raden | im working on setting up a drop ship store going to market it with main auction sites at first |
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| 05:50.54 | raden | just hoping for enough residual income to pay my 300/mo of my 1/2 the rent :) |
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| 05:51.12 | raden | I dont really need it but ehh if i can get something small going now imagine the possibiites :) |
| 05:51.16 | Overand | dondelelcaro: http://overand.dissociative. net |
| 05:51.17 | Overand | er |
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| 05:51.21 | Overand | take out that space |
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| 05:51.29 | MaxPower | yeah cool, im looking at setting up a hosting company for that |
| 05:51.30 | Overand | I'm not a stranger to analog synths, or even modular synths for that matter. |
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| 05:52.00 | MaxPower | just slap a 1U server in a co-lo and advertise it |
| 05:52.01 | Overand | (i don't reccomend you listen to the track I have hosted there, it's not, erm... indicitive of my... well... anything, heh) |
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| 05:52.12 | styles | hey EdLin |
| 05:52.18 | styles | i dont think the install cd has a rescue mode |
| 05:52.18 | styles | =\ |
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| 05:53.11 | raden | is there a record for shortest uptime ? |
| 05:53.13 | dondelelcaro | Overand: right... I wasn't really impinging you in particular there, just saying that most people wouldn't be comfortable in ecasound... |
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| 05:53.16 | raden | cause i bet i hold it :) |
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| 05:53.30 | ke6isf | raden: Well, I had 12 minutes before a complete freeze once. |
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| 05:53.33 | dondelelcaro | raden: until you've had the video bios blowup on post, no, you haven't reached it |
| 05:53.42 | ke6isf | styles: What are you trying to do? |
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| 05:53.51 | raden | i dont make it too post sometimes :( |
| 05:54.07 | raden | MaxPower, what you looking todo exactly |
| 05:54.12 | styles | ke6isf, im trying to manually configure my grub.conf cause debians automated process doesnt do a good job for me |
| 05:54.14 | ke6isf | t3ch9: That's more info, but what version of Debian are you using? |
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| 05:54.17 | raden | if i could jst even get suse to load for god sakes |
| 05:54.18 | styles | i end up with an unbootable system |
| 05:54.26 | ke6isf | styles: What are you using for a rescue disk? |
| 05:54.26 | t3ch9 | 3.01a |
| 05:54.35 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Sarge then? |
| 05:54.37 | styles | if i can get to grub.conf myself and configure it manually ill get it up and running |
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| 05:54.43 | styles | 3.01a |
| 05:54.46 | whitehorse1 | hi again |
| 05:54.49 | styles | im not sure if it has a rescue mode |
| 05:54.55 | styles | someone in here told me it did |
| 05:55.00 | styles | im using the install cd |
| 05:55.02 | Overand | dondelelcaro: yeah sorry instinctive response =] |
| 05:55.05 | t3ch9 | i saw that my kernel is 2.4, right now i got some problem in my video card that's why i want to install the new kernel |
| 05:55.10 | ke6isf | styles: Boot off the CD, hit F1 and follow the directions. It's there, you just gotta find it. =^^= |
| 05:55.15 | mentor | When does the kernel uptime counter start? |
| 05:55.18 | whitehorse1 | Don't suppose Seb is still around? |
| 05:55.24 | Overand | dondelelcaro: I'm overly defensive. So, is there any progress on the gtk frontend for this thing? How usable is it? |
| 05:55.27 | styles | im sorry to say ke6isf |
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| 05:55.29 | styles | but i did do that |
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| 05:55.35 | styles | and there was no rescue mode to be found |
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| 05:55.39 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.40 | styles | unless im doing blind |
| 05:55.42 | ke6isf | styles: ...that's odd. |
| 05:55.52 | ke6isf | t3ch9: I'm trying to help you, but you need to answer my questions. |
| 05:55.53 | styles | yeah none of the options were for rescue |
| 05:55.57 | t3ch9 | ok |
| 05:56.03 | t3ch9 | what's the question |
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| 05:56.18 | ke6isf | t3ch9: You are running Sarge, by the looks of things, correct? |
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| 05:56.23 | mentor | ~ke6isf++ |
| 05:56.28 | mentor | 1ke6isf++ |
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| 05:56.35 | mentor | you get the idea |
| 05:56.36 | t3ch9 | i dont know if im running the Sarge |
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| 05:56.41 | Overand | wow, there are a lot of numeric nicks here. |
| 05:56.44 | ke6isf | Woo, karma! |
| 05:56.45 | t3ch9 | how will i know? |
| 05:56.56 | Overand | i think t3ch9 *may* be a troll. |
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| 05:56.57 | whitehorse1 | dondelcaro - should you see seb, please erm slap him or beat him 'with steeks'. ty 8) |
| 05:57.06 | styles | im wondering if i could use a gentoo cd and chroot the partition through that |
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| 05:57.21 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Do me a favor and 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 05:57.28 | t3ch9 | ok, for a while |
| 05:57.29 | ke6isf | Overand: Don't be so quick yet. |
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| 05:57.35 | Overand | ke6isf: hence 'may' |
| 05:57.41 | dondelelcaro | Overand: hahaha... gtk frontend? |
| 05:57.44 | ke6isf | Overand: *nod* |
| 05:57.49 | Overand | dondelelcaro: take a look in the screenshots dir |
| 05:57.57 | t3ch9 | it says: 3.1 |
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| 05:58.09 | Overand | sorry |
| 05:58.10 | dondelelcaro | yeah, there is a frontend, but no one bothers to use it... or at least, I never have. |
| 05:58.11 | Overand | QT dfrontend |
| 05:58.12 | Overand | not GTK |
| 05:58.16 | Overand | http://www.eca.cx/screenshots/qtecasound-1.8.0d13-2.jpg |
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| 05:58.26 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Good, it's Sarge. You want a 2.6 kernel - what processor are you running? |
| 05:58.27 | Overand | looks dated as heck |
| 05:58.36 | t3ch9 | yup |
| 05:58.43 | t3ch9 | im running in a intel processor |
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| 05:59.00 | ke6isf | t3ch9: P2 or better? Celeron? Older Pentium/Pentium Pro? |
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| 05:59.33 | Overand | ke6isf: get him to cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:59.34 | Overand | =] |
| 05:59.35 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.39 | Manoj_ | t3ch9, cat /proc/cpuinfo should tell you what kind of intel processor |
| 05:59.45 | Overand | ah he's p4 |
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| 05:59.47 | ke6isf | t3ch9: OK. |
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| 05:59.52 | Overand | whitehorse1: yeah that happens |
| 05:59.53 | Overand | it's fun |
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| 05:59.57 | Overand | kind of rewarding |
| 05:59.58 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Have you selected your repositories yet? |
| 05:59.59 | t3ch9 | sorry |
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| 06:00.02 | t3ch9 | it's |
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| 06:00.10 | t3ch9 | it's AMD Sempron |
| 06:00.19 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.31 | laoye | t3ch9, how can it be P4 then? |
| 06:00.36 | t3ch9 | sorry |
| 06:00.41 | t3ch9 | i thought it was P4 |
| 06:00.41 | mentor | :P |
| 06:00.46 | ke6isf | laoye: Easy mistake. |
| 06:00.53 | t3ch9 | sorry about that |
| 06:01.02 | Overand | sempron is probably capable of all the basic p4 extentions, isn't it? |
| 06:01.10 | laoye | ke6isf, now does he determine it? |
| 06:01.11 | ke6isf | t3ch9: No worries. Changes the final answer, but not the current question. |
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| 06:01.18 | t3ch9 | yup |
| 06:01.21 | mentor | Overand: Yes, even if ICC doesn't think so. |
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| 06:01.28 | mentor | http://www.swallowtail.org/naughty-intel.html |
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| 06:01.33 | ke6isf | laoye: ...you mean how? What overand said earlier, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 06:01.48 | ke6isf | t3ch9: That's the simple part. You have a single processor, right? |
| 06:01.52 | t3ch9 | yup |
| 06:02.00 | t3ch9 | just a single processor |
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| 06:02.17 | laoye | ke6isf, how did he determine it to be P4 earlier? |
| 06:02.20 | t3ch9 | thank god you're so helpful ke6isf |
| 06:02.20 | ke6isf | t3ch9: OK. As root, 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 06:02.30 | ke6isf | laoye: Not sure, but like I said, easy mistake. |
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| 06:02.47 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Make sure you leave out that leading ', by the way. =^_^= |
| 06:03.08 | laoye | ke6isf, why are recommending that particular kernel version? |
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| 06:03.27 | ke6isf | laoye: He wants a 2.6 kernel, is running Sarge, and has a k7 series of chip. |
| 06:03.28 | robertbb | Hmm.. I am from a BSD background. What is the Linux equivalent of disklabel? (I have some unpartitioned space on a drive, I want to create a partition) |
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| 06:03.36 | ke6isf | laoye: Do you have a better suggestion? |
| 06:03.54 | laoye | ke6isf, is 2.6.8 the latest ver for sarge? |
| 06:04.01 | ke6isf | laoye: Yes, it is. |
| 06:04.03 | EdLin | robertbb: Linux doesn't have disk labels. Just format the partition and mount it. |
| 06:04.04 | t3ch9 | should i run like this: 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 06:04.24 | laoye | ke6isf, for P4 too? |
| 06:04.28 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:04.33 | robertbb | EddieSam, how can I see what partitions use what /dev/ devices? |
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| 06:05.08 | robertbb | So I don't format a needed partition.. |
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| 06:05.24 | laoye | ke6isf, i thought there is 2.6.12 now. |
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| 06:06.16 | t3ch9 | what will be the next |
| 06:06.23 | EdLin | robertbb: fdisk -l to see what you are using now. |
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| 06:06.33 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Did it finish installing? |
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| 06:06.39 | ke6isf | laoye: Isn't that for testing? |
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| 06:06.53 | robertbb | hmm.. |
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| 06:07.06 | whitehorse1 | continuing my ati radeon9600 'adventure', the packages from flavio's site were installed. long story short, the x config file changes caused critical display probs. can't seem to resolve the prob. |
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| 06:07.10 | EdLin | robertbb: or better yet, use cfdisk for partitioning. Its easier than fdisk and it lists your partitons |
| 06:07.17 | laoye | ok, sarge is stable now. |
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| 06:07.29 | ke6isf | laoye: Yep. Been that way since June. |
| 06:07.34 | robertbb | EdLin, that's what I was after... something similar to disklabel -E |
| 06:07.38 | robertbb | Thanks :-) |
| 06:07.51 | mentor | laoye: How did you miss that? Hell froze over...pigs started flying... |
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| 06:07.52 | whitehorse1 | stable yes. you'd never know thi, from looking at it on my machine. |
| 06:07.54 | ke6isf | What is disklabel? |
| 06:08.10 | whitehorse1 | ke6isf: BSD utility |
| 06:08.13 | ke6isf | !beer mentor |
| 06:08.13 | EdLin | ke6isf: part of the BSD partitioning scheme. |
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| 06:08.24 | mentor | :P |
| 06:08.27 | t3ch9 | obiwan:~# apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 06:08.28 | ke6isf | Hey, dpkg carries Spaten now! |
| 06:08.28 | t3ch9 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 06:08.28 | t3ch9 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 06:08.28 | t3ch9 | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 06:08.28 | t3ch9 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 06:08.28 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:08.41 | bob2 | t3ch9: ymessenger is fucked |
| 06:08.42 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Um... don't flood. |
| 06:08.42 | raden | I give up |
| 06:08.46 | laoye | mentor, easy mistake. |
| 06:08.49 | bob2 | also, apt told you how to fix it |
| 06:08.53 | t3ch9 | sorry |
| 06:09.05 | ke6isf | t3ch9: No worries, but what's going on? |
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| 06:09.16 | t3ch9 | see my private message |
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| 06:09.26 | t3ch9 | so that it won't flood |
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| 06:09.29 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Better yet, post to #flood |
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| 06:09.52 | ke6isf | t3ch9: (hint, /j #flood) |
| 06:09.53 | t3ch9 | what should i do now |
| 06:09.56 | robertbb | cfdisk gives me a fatal error :-S |
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| 06:10.11 | t3ch9 | there |
| 06:10.13 | t3ch9 | i already put it |
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| 06:10.29 | EdLin | robertbb: it works here(tm) |
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| 06:10.59 | t3ch9 | i want to format it again, so messy for me putting the YahooMSG |
| 06:11.03 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Do 'apt-get -f install' to fix those problems, then try installing the kernel. |
| 06:11.17 | bob2 | avoiding ymessenger entirely is prbably the best idea |
| 06:11.24 | robertbb | lol |
| 06:11.33 | robertbb | It shouldn't need arguments right? |
| 06:11.40 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Incidentally, gaim is a better solution than ymessenger. You might just forget ymessenger entirely. |
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| 06:11.51 | t3ch9 | ok |
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| 06:11.55 | t3ch9 | sorry about that |
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| 06:12.11 | whitehorse1 | so, when the pc boots supposedly into the login screen, after installing favio's driver caused graphic corruption, flicking thru the console (f1etc) gets me to the login prompt. once i login tho instead of going to kde, it just has a terminal window in the corner on a kde bkgrnd. except, ctrl-alt-f8 does get me into kde at the correct 1024x768 res but its volatile; at any moment or if i touch any display settings it'll just change to 800x600 wi |
| 06:12.11 | whitehorse1 | a bar across the screen w/palette errors and the bottom ha;f of the screen missing. |
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| 06:12.25 | t3ch9 | obiwan:~# 'apt-get -f install' |
| 06:12.25 | t3ch9 | -su: apt-get -f install: command not found |
| 06:12.25 | t3ch9 | obiwan:~# |
| 06:12.34 | whitehorse1 | oh yep, to get to kde from that terminal i typed gdm. |
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| 06:12.50 | bob2 | t3ch9: get rid of the quotes... |
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| 06:12.53 | laoye | ke6isf, he is installing kernel, why this talk about ymessenger and gaim? |
| 06:12.58 | EdLin | robertbb: cfdisk doesn't need arguments |
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| 06:13.15 | robertbb | EddieSam, yer, then something is borked :-S |
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| 06:13.30 | t3ch9 | installing |
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| 06:13.46 | shark_ | any volunteer willing to help linux?? contact me |
| 06:13.53 | ke6isf | laoye: Dependency issues. It's easier to show you, which would be easier had you been on #flood at the time |
| 06:14.02 | ke6isf | shark_: Um, explain? |
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| 06:14.16 | EdLin | robertbb: of course, in some situations you'll need to use arguments. man cfdisk |
| 06:14.28 | mwilson | ke6isf: He means he thinks he's entitled to private help. |
| 06:14.34 | laoye | shark_, does linux or is it you who need help? |
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| 06:14.49 | EdLin | !tell shark_ -about ask |
| 06:14.51 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.52 | shark_ | ke6isf, linux.edu is a non profit association who main goal is to provide education to linux user |
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| 06:15.01 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Which did you install? |
| 06:15.19 | litage | i'm compiling the kernel, and this message popped up. how can i determine what it's asking?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/QyYwui79.html |
| 06:15.20 | shark_ | ke6isf, actually we look for serious article writers experimented with linux |
| 06:15.20 | t3ch9 | the dependencies is done |
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| 06:15.39 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.41 | ke6isf | t3ch9: yes, but that's for gaim, ymessenger, or the kernel? |
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| 06:15.56 | ke6isf | I'll be damned, there's a linux.edu. |
| 06:15.57 | t3ch9 | i need to update my kernel sir |
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| 06:16.08 | ke6isf | t3ch9: No need to repeat. |
| 06:16.09 | robertbb | EdLin, looking :-) |
| 06:16.28 | ke6isf | t3ch9: With that deps issue out of the way, up arrow until you return to that command where you first tried, and hit enter. |
| 06:16.37 | dabaR | ke6isf: and its coming soon. |
| 06:16.41 | t3ch9 | ok Sir |
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| 06:16.56 | ke6isf | dabaR: Indeed. |
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| 06:17.05 | dabaR | to a theatre near you. |
| 06:17.13 | ke6isf | How the hell did somebody get a .edu domain... |
| 06:17.15 | t3ch9 | kernel image is installing GURU =) |
| 06:17.21 | ke6isf | shark_: Are you an accredited educational institution? |
| 06:17.37 | shark_ | ke6isf, what do you mean accredited? |
| 06:17.41 | whitehorse1 | lol |
| 06:17.44 | shark_ | ke6isf, we have non profit status |
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| 06:18.03 | ke6isf | shark_: I thought they gave .edu domains out to universities and other similar schools. |
| 06:18.04 | shark_ | ke6isf, the project is starting |
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| 06:18.24 | shark_ | ke6isf, yeah we are educationnal instution, you are right |
| 06:18.31 | ke6isf | shark_: OK, just checking. |
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| 06:18.41 | EdLin | shark_: if starting out means "spamming #debian" then count me out. |
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| 06:18.44 | Overand | shark_: generally speaking he's referring to .edu names only being given out to 'accredited institutions' |
| 06:18.55 | Overand | as in ones certified by the goverment, that give out diplomas, degrees, or PHDs |
| 06:18.55 | MaxPower | hey Guerin, I changed the user accounts in passwd cos i couldnt find shells so it now looks like, webadmin:x:1005:1005:webadmin,,,:/opt/lampp/htdocs:/bin/false |
| 06:18.58 | ke6isf | shark_: That said, I'm not interested in people who spam for support. No thank you. |
| 06:19.04 | shark_ | EdLin, i only recrut experimented linux people |
| 06:19.04 | MaxPower | but it doesnt work now |
| 06:19.12 | laoye | shark_, i looked the web and the page has i penguin outline and says coming soon. |
| 06:19.12 | MaxPower | do i need to reboot |
| 06:19.14 | MaxPower | ? |
| 06:19.23 | EdLin | shark_: too bad your organization doesn't recruit people who can spell |
| 06:19.24 | shark_ | i dont spam for support i give you the opportunity to publish some doc with a linux communauty |
| 06:19.26 | Overand | shark_: just note that there are already a LOT of places out there offering 'training for the community' |
| 06:19.31 | ke6isf | MaxPower: Nope. |
| 06:19.32 | Overand | shark_: and what is the difference? |
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| 06:19.36 | Overand | spam means 'unsolicited' |
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| 06:19.45 | shark_ | our is Linux.EDU |
| 06:19.46 | Overand | you came in here and tried to get people to help out... and... that's spam, more or less. |
| 06:19.55 | shark_ | is a serious one |
| 06:19.57 | ke6isf | shark_: I can personally provide experience for free via our local ROP. And I for one don't care what your domain is, you are still a spammer. |
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| 06:20.09 | Overand | shark_: are you associated with a LUG? |
| 06:20.12 | bob2 | wtf |
| 06:20.17 | bob2 | someone actually got linux.edu? |
| 06:20.18 | MaxPower | ke6isf, should it work? or is that wrong? |
| 06:20.20 | shark_ | Overand, i wish |
| 06:20.20 | ke6isf | bob2: Hold on to your hat. |
| 06:20.36 | laoye | Overand, this is not spam, its valid info. |
| 06:20.36 | shark_ | Overand, we are starting and i make my best to new members |
| 06:20.36 | Overand | shark_: ... you're not associated with a LUG, but you're "a serious one" |
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| 06:20.44 | ke6isf | MaxPower: Not sure, but you shouldn't need to reboot if you're just modifying a user's properties. They just log out at most. |
| 06:20.48 | Overand | shark_: how many people working *full time* on this project are there? |
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| 06:20.52 | shark_ | Overand, but as you can see many people against me |
| 06:20.55 | Overand | And what is your source of funding? |
| 06:21.05 | Overand | shark_: there's a saturation of linux resources out there. |
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| 06:21.12 | shark_ | Overand, we have a sponcors |
| 06:21.16 | MaxPower | ke6isf arr ok thanks |
| 06:21.20 | Overand | And frankly, running a .edu domain and not knowing what the word 'accredited' means is like |
| 06:21.22 | vorlon | shark_: this is very off topic for this channel, please stop soliciting here. |
| 06:21.26 | laoye | Overand, if you are interested, participate. If not, let it be. Long Live Freedom of Expression. |
| 06:21.27 | shark_ | Overand, actually he dont pay anyone |
| 06:21.27 | Overand | a good sign that you're going to get that domain taken away from you |
| 06:21.29 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.32 | bob2 | wtf |
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| 06:21.36 | ke6isf | That's China. |
| 06:21.39 | bob2 | yes |
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| 06:21.51 | ke6isf | bob2: Your LART, sir. *hands bob2 his lart* |
| 06:21.52 | shark_ | Overand, probably but at least i made my best |
| 06:21.53 | bob2 | why does some random chinese institute have a .edu? |
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| 06:22.02 | laoye | ke6isf, so? |
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| 06:22.16 | shark_ | Overand, that's better that sitting on my ass waiting for something to happen :) |
| 06:22.30 | dabaR | barely. |
| 06:22.34 | shark_ | i dont believe in miracle actually |
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| 06:22.35 | dabaR | if at all |
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| 06:23.12 | Overand | shark_: if you don't think there's already a pretty good support system, take a look at where you are right now |
| 06:23.16 | Overand | shark_: but hey, best of luck to you |
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| 06:23.25 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.29 | Overand | i'd love to see (another) cohesive 'linux support' network |
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| 06:23.37 | ke6isf | shark_: You do realize, though, that a community is willing to give support to Linux in general for free. |
| 06:23.47 | shark_ | yes there is support |
| 06:23.55 | ke6isf | t3ch9: You're running grub for your bootloader, yes? |
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| 06:24.02 | t3ch9 | yup |
| 06:24.03 | shark_ | look we have this domain and we want to make something with it |
| 06:24.14 | shark_ | feel free to help |
| 06:24.17 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Then just reboot, select the new kernel, and you're done. |
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| 06:24.25 | whitehorse1 | donate it to an existing group then? |
| 06:24.25 | t3ch9 | wait |
| 06:24.28 | ke6isf | shark_: Sorry, still not interested. |
| 06:24.30 | EdLin | shark_: spamming #debian is the wrong way to recruit |
| 06:24.32 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Mm? |
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| 06:24.41 | shark_ | whitehorse1, i prefer to make my own group |
| 06:24.41 | laoye | ke6isf, Overand, dabaR: do you guys know the diff between education and support? |
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| 06:24.51 | ElPedro | Uh... silly question... how do I "configure my kernel sources" ? |
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| 06:25.02 | shark_ | whitehorse1, it's a great opportunity having such a domain |
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| 06:25.17 | ke6isf | laoye: Vastly. But you seem to be missing the point. |
| 06:25.22 | penticlex | any on know how get the icons in the greeter to work |
| 06:25.22 | raden | Guerin, I finally got a kernel panic |
| 06:25.28 | laoye | EdLin, i already try to explain earlier that this is not spamming! |
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| 06:25.43 | ke6isf | Oh, bloody hell. |
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| 06:25.47 | raden | Kernel panic - not syncing: CPU context coirrupt ? |
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| 06:25.53 | laoye | ke6isf, what is your point? |
| 06:26.00 | raden | anyone ? |
| 06:26.06 | ke6isf | !ops shark_ has spammed the channel, and laoye seems to be an accomplice. |
| 06:26.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: shark_ has spammed the channel, and laoye seems to be an accomplice. |
| 06:26.07 | EdLin | laoye: spamming is unsocilicted advertisement. "help wanted" is a form of advertisement, posted in #debian it is unsoliceted. |
| 06:26.12 | ke6isf | I hate pulling that out. |
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| 06:26.33 | vorlon | shark_: it is arguably a misuse of the Linux trademark and, last I checked, a violation of the .edu tld policy; and in any case, it is inappropriate for you to try to recruit in this channel. |
| 06:26.37 | jaqque | *uhg* |
| 06:26.49 | shark_ | it's ok you guys are not intrest no need to talk 10 minutes about it |
| 06:26.52 | Overand | shark_: what do you have to offer the community other than a (probably dubiously legally aquired) domain and the claim of some sponsorship"? |
| 06:27.03 | shark_ | Overand, i said talk in private or die |
| 06:27.06 | Overand | like, IANAL, but i think you're going to have problems. |
| 06:27.09 | laoye | you guys just can't accept that people do think alike? what accomplice shit. |
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| 06:27.11 | Overand | wow, ok, threats are good. |
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| 06:27.30 | penticlex | any on know how get the icons in the greeter to work? |
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| 06:27.31 | ke6isf | A threat! Wow! How appropriate! |
| 06:27.39 | laoye | what kin do a country are you guys living in? |
| 06:27.46 | bob2 | laoye: please stop it |
| 06:27.48 | penticlex | I am using gnome |
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| 06:28.00 | Overand | "what accplice shit?" |
| 06:28.02 | Overand | ... |
| 06:28.03 | whitehorse1 | laoye: go.away. |
| 06:28.07 | Overand | this channel needs a reboot |
| 06:28.09 | bob2 | ElPedro: best to take a step back and tell us what you're trying to do |
| 06:28.14 | ke6isf | laoye: *PLONK!* |
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| 06:28.22 | bob2 | come on guys, don't escalte it |
| 06:28.26 | jaqque | Overand: far more than a reboot, i am afraid |
| 06:28.31 | vorlon | Overand: I don't think your commentary is helping. |
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| 06:28.31 | ke6isf | I'm done dealing with it. |
| 06:28.35 | bob2 | awesome |
| 06:28.38 | laoye | fuck you all, son-of-bitches. |
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| 06:28.41 | Overand | vorlon: hence my suggestion to reboot. i'm backing off. |
| 06:28.48 | dabaR | heh |
| 06:28.51 | Overand | do you think saying that i'm not helping is helping? |
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| 06:28.59 | Overand | like, we're all just telling each other that we're all assholes... |
| 06:29.07 | Overand | it's like EFNet |
| 06:29.08 | Overand | =] |
| 06:29.25 | ke6isf | Overand: With longer nicks. =^^= |
| 06:29.31 | vorlon | what I think is that you should take the hint and drop the subject instead of saying you're "backing off" and then going on about it for another four lines... |
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| 06:29.34 | Overand | let's *all* just stfu about whatever the heck we were escalating and just talk about debian |
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| 06:29.52 | ke6isf | So, how about the Angels, huh? =^_^= |
| 06:29.59 | bob2 | so, how about that Etch thing |
| 06:29.59 | vorlon | ke6isf: the Debian Angels? |
| 06:30.07 | ke6isf | vorlon: No, the Anaheim Angels! |
| 06:30.17 | vorlon | ke6isf: do they run Debian? |
| 06:30.23 | vorlon | >:) |
| 06:30.37 | ke6isf | vorlon: ...um, no, they play baseball. They're a baseball team. You know, hit a ball with a stick and go home? |
| 06:30.39 | jaqque | vorlon: heheh |
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| 06:30.42 | Frawg | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 06:30.43 | Frawg | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 06:30.45 | Overand | ke6isf: OFF TOPIC. BAN. |
| 06:30.48 | Frawg | any ideas how to fix that? |
| 06:30.50 | bob2 | stop it |
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| 06:31.11 | Overand | Frawg: can you provide some context with that error? |
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| 06:31.27 | Overand | (also, don't paste multi-line error messages etc in here, use pastebin or something similar) |
| 06:31.31 | Frawg | Overand: in an apt-get upgrade |
| 06:31.36 | Frawg | happens on every package |
| 06:31.43 | Frawg | Overand: okies |
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| 06:31.53 | bob2 | does your locale exist? |
| 06:31.58 | jaqque | Frawg: interesting. i wonder what your environment is |
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| 06:32.49 | Frawg | hrmm |
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| 06:32.54 | Frawg | i know this system is seriously broken :) |
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| 06:33.02 | Frawg | xorg conflicting with x11 |
| 06:33.10 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:33.15 | jaqque | Frawg: do you su - or just su (or sudo) to gain root? |
| 06:33.18 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Glad to help. |
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| 06:33.30 | Frawg | can't install x11-common cause it wants to overrwite files in xorg |
| 06:33.33 | t3ch9 | still have one problem sir |
| 06:33.36 | Frawg | jaqque: just normal sudo |
| 06:33.40 | ke6isf | t3ch9: What's up? |
| 06:33.41 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.45 | jaqque | Frawg: try su - |
| 06:33.49 | t3ch9 | video card |
| 06:33.53 | t3ch9 | nvidia |
| 06:33.57 | ke6isf | Ah! |
| 06:34.01 | ke6isf | !tell t3ch9 -about nvidia |
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| 06:34.33 | t3ch9 | yup |
| 06:34.39 | t3ch9 | nvidia |
| 06:34.48 | whitehorse1 | funnily enough I was going to install x.org earlier, and that refused to install due to an older version of xserver-common |
| 06:34.50 | Overand | Frawg: is this actually debian or is it ubuntu/etc? |
| 06:34.55 | Frawg | grrr |
| 06:34.59 | jaqque | Frawg: you will need root's password (as opposed to your own) to do that, though |
| 06:35.04 | ke6isf | t3ch9: dpkg should have given you information on this. See the informatin. Use it. Be enlightened. |
| 06:35.07 | Frawg | damn bots coming in here a spamming |
| 06:35.14 | bob2 | Frawg: /topic |
| 06:35.18 | Frawg | Overand: kubuntu running debian unstable and enlightenment :) |
| 06:35.22 | ke6isf | !tell Frawg -about spambots |
| 06:35.34 | ke6isf | Frawg: #ubuntu is over there ---> |
| 06:35.34 | Overand | erm |
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| 06:35.39 | t3ch9 | what will i do |
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| 06:35.48 | t3ch9 | that will be the last sir |
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| 06:35.56 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Did you get a privmsg from dpkg? |
| 06:36.05 | t3ch9 | not yet |
| 06:36.10 | t3ch9 | for a while |
| 06:36.11 | Overand | Frawg: "kubuntu running debian stable" yeah i've got a pentium 486 i wanna sell you, it's in the trunk of my Audi Corolla! |
| 06:36.18 | ke6isf | t3ch9: OK. |
| 06:36.21 | ke6isf | !nvidia |
| 06:36.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
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| 06:36.30 | ke6isf | t3ch9: There you go. |
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| 06:36.59 | Frawg | Overand: haha |
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| 06:37.35 | Overand | Frawg: but seriously, we don't provide support for 'debian-based' distros here |
| 06:37.38 | Overand | !debian-based |
| 06:37.38 | Frawg | i just gotta figure out howto get x11-common installed |
| 06:37.38 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 06:37.52 | ke6isf | Frawg: We can't help you. kubuntu is not Debian. |
| 06:37.56 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.58 | bob2 | holy bajoly |
| 06:38.00 | bob2 | oh, sunday |
| 06:38.04 | Frawg | this is not a ubuntu issue |
| 06:38.07 | RiseAgainst | I hate damn small |
| 06:38.08 | Overand | yeah. we would suggest you go to www.debian.org and get an installer |
| 06:38.14 | RiseAgainst | DSL is so confusing |
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| 06:38.20 | Overand | Frawg: you're running ubuntu, hence it's an ubuntu issue. |
| 06:38.20 | RiseAgainst | too many damn acronyms |
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| 06:38.31 | ke6isf | Frawg: You installed kubuntu and tried to overlay it with Sid? You're mad to start with. |
| 06:38.40 | Frawg | the current enlightenment (e17) packages require x11-common |
| 06:38.41 | whitehorse1 | okey-doke. since the recommended ati radeon9600 driver from 'flavio' made a huge, huge tragic mess of my system, installing the backport of x.org is seemingly the only way I'm going to be able to have things working smoothly. any1 have any ideas about the dependency issue? |
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| 06:38.53 | Frawg | while i'm using xorg |
| 06:38.54 | Frawg | heh |
| 06:38.56 | ke6isf | t3ch9: What you can do is msg dpkg privately. |
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| 06:38.59 | Frawg | i think that just asks for trouble |
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| 06:39.09 | bob2 | Frawg: the perl issue is perhaps debian-related, but x being broken is entirely the fault of your mixed up apt sources |
| 06:39.14 | jaqque | Frawg: sounds like you are making a linux fruitcake. no wonder no one wants it ; |
| 06:39.17 | jaqque | ) |
| 06:39.18 | ke6isf | Frawg: But, it's still kubuntu, and we still can't help you. |
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| 06:39.35 | ke6isf | Frawg: Install Debian and we'll talk. =^^= |
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| 06:40.17 | RiseAgainst | its easier to just install debian then to get ubuntu to act like debian |
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| 06:40.32 | ke6isf | !RiseAgainst++ |
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| 06:40.45 | RiseAgainst | ? |
| 06:40.45 | bob2 | whitehorse1: where did you explain the dependency issue? |
| 06:40.54 | bob2 | ubuntu acts almost identical to debian |
| 06:41.02 | RiseAgainst | does it? |
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| 06:41.05 | bob2 | yes |
| 06:41.07 | jaqque | bob2: i would counter that argument |
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| 06:41.14 | bob2 | sudo by default is about the only difference |
| 06:41.16 | RiseAgainst | knoppix is debian once you install it on your HDD |
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| 06:41.21 | bob2 | and I install sudo on all my debian machines anyway |
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| 06:41.47 | whitehorse1 | bob2: above a short while ago, and in here some hours back. I may've placed the full details in pastebin, let me try the browser history address bar thang. 1 sec |
| 06:41.57 | ke6isf | bob2: But... you... *backs away* YOU'RE ONE OF THEM! =^_^= |
| 06:42.04 | bob2 | sudo is love |
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| 06:42.10 | bob2 | in the form of an ELF executable |
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| 06:43.03 | locsmif | /part/part |
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| 06:43.08 | mentor | interpretive programming? |
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| 06:43.28 | mentor | represent the taste of a tree in pascal.... |
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| 06:44.03 | RiseAgainst | wtf |
| 06:44.04 | RiseAgainst | .aol |
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| 06:44.09 | whitehorse1 | bob2: yep, here it is, from last night (been trying for 'a while'). Link: http://pastebin.com/354070 |
| 06:44.15 | ke6isf | !aol |
| 06:44.15 | dpkg | aol is probably for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
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| 06:44.42 | RiseAgainst | wierd that someone uses AOL and debia |
| 06:44.52 | vorlon | mentor: not the taste of bark? |
| 06:44.54 | bob2 | whitehorse1: sources.list? |
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| 06:45.28 | mentor | vorlon: Would that be a dog's bark? |
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| 06:45.48 | vorlon | mentor: I'm sure it can be any bark you want |
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| 06:45.58 | mentor | heh |
| 06:46.01 | whitehorse1 | Not particularly, AOL is popular in the UK amongst both technophobes and tech-savvy's. :-) Primarily to do with unmetered fixed rate access they offer, which most providers don't. |
| 06:46.17 | bob2 | and in germany |
| 06:46.23 | bob2 | because they offered cheap isdn or such |
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| 06:46.43 | whitehorse1 | Quite. And September has ended, too ;-) |
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| 06:47.09 | mentor | bloody spambots |
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| 06:47.32 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:47.46 | whitehorse1 | bob2: sources.list http://pastebin.com/354248 |
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| 06:48.32 | ke6isf | It's funny though that they'd hold the AOL name, considering the obviously not American geographical locations. |
| 06:48.40 | mentor | streuner: It's more the PRIVMSG spam that's botehring me |
| 06:48.49 | ke6isf | !tell mentor -about spambots |
| 06:48.57 | omnibike | chewie: are you still here ? |
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| 06:49.07 | mentor | ke6isf: thanks, got there already. |
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| 06:49.26 | ke6isf | mentor: Set your modes, register, and don't disable that filter. |
| 06:49.28 | whitehorse1 | ke6isf: I think they never planned to grow to the oligopolistic size they have, and by then there was so much value&money&recognition associated with their brand it'd be hard to change |
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| 06:49.47 | ke6isf | whitehorse1: True. Kinda like FedEx. |
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| 06:49.58 | mentor | ke6isf: Problem being that I don't really want to block out unregistered users...especially since I occasionally do have to do useful things for unregistered peopole in #debian |
| 06:50.00 | whitehorse1 | their support still sucks though. thank the lord I can work out most things myself. |
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| 06:50.22 | ke6isf | mentor: It's either you get the spam or you block out unreg's. Can't have it both ways. |
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| 06:50.25 | omnibike | I'm setting up a linux box with 2 nics.. 172.16.x.x and 192.168.x.x.. I cannot get the two talking and am wondering how the routing should look on the linux box ? |
| 06:50.27 | mattfury | just a question about maths, is theta where i would put 'r' ? |
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| 06:50.34 | mattfury | (radians) |
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| 06:50.59 | mentor | ke6isf: I'm sure a content filter might be much more helpful; would have to run it client side though. |
| 06:51.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell omnibike -about masq |
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| 06:51.11 | dondelelcaro | omnibike: also, see the ipmasq package in Debian. |
| 06:51.14 | ke6isf | mentor: Pretty much. |
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| 06:51.44 | omnibike | dondelelcaro: so I can only do this with iptables ? |
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| 06:52.14 | dondelelcaro | omnibike: right |
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| 06:52.39 | omnibike | simply having all the correct routing and and gateways set is not enough ? |
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| 06:53.04 | Echelon | my simple question is, i am recompiling my kernel, and i dont know where i need to go to change the version information for the kernel |
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| 06:53.33 | dondelelcaro | omnibike: if all you're trying to do is talk from the machine to 172.16/16 and 192.168/16, no you don't need to do anything else. However, it sounded like you wanted to route packets *through* the machine. |
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| 06:53.56 | dondelelcaro | (which is generally what you want to do when you have the machine hooked up to two different networks) |
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| 06:54.57 | omnibike | I want to route traffic from machines on 192.168 to 172.16 and vise versa through the box... |
| 06:55.07 | whitehorse1 | has bob2 gone? |
| 06:55.13 | vorlon | if all you want is routing, then echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forwarding |
| 06:55.23 | vorlon | sorry, ip_forward |
| 06:55.37 | omnibike | do you need to restart afterwards ? |
| 06:55.40 | dondelelcaro | omnibike: no. |
| 06:55.45 | vorlon | no, if you restart you clear the flag. :) |
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| 06:56.03 | vorlon | but, the machines on each network need to *know* that your Linux box is a router for those networks in that case... |
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| 06:57.00 | dondelelcaro | right, and the border router needs to know that 192.168/16 is behind it as well... |
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| 06:57.15 | vorlon | yes. |
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| 06:58.26 | bob2 | whitehorse1: no |
| 06:58.37 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:58.53 | ke6isf | t3ch9: You shouldn't need to. |
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| 06:59.39 | t3ch9 | i want to remove the old kernel |
| 06:59.50 | t3ch9 | i use to do that in fedora |
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| 07:00.02 | t3ch9 | but it seems its a different directory |
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| 07:00.22 | t3ch9 | can you help me to find that sir? |
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| 07:00.51 | dondelelcaro | vorlon: http://people.debian.org/~vorlon/dependency-hell/ is nice... thanks. |
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| 07:01.05 | bob2 | fare: xmove |
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| 07:01.09 | bob2 | not sure how well it works, tho |
| 07:01.11 | dondelelcaro | fare: xmove is its name, but it's kind of broken currently. |
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| 07:01.19 | bob2 | is gluck down? |
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| 07:01.22 | dondelelcaro | (it doesn't work for anything but tcp connections currently.) |
| 07:01.24 | bob2 | or is my isp just shit? |
| 07:01.27 | k-man_ | whats the debian way to add custom devices to udev? |
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| 07:01.36 | dondelelcaro | bob2: i've got 54ms to it |
| 07:01.43 | bob2 | hrm |
| 07:01.52 | bob2 | my dsl modem appears to be blocking outgoing to 192/8 |
| 07:02.18 | dondelelcaro | bob2: wonder if someone thought that 192 was a class A unroutable? ;-) |
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| 07:02.24 | omnibike | vorlon: ip_forward worked like a treat thanks |
| 07:02.28 | omnibike | :) |
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| 07:02.56 | omnibike | dondelelcaro: under what conditions would I still need iptables ? |
| 07:03.19 | dondelelcaro | omnibike: if your border router isn't aware that 192.168/16 is behind it, you'll need to masquarade to get through it |
| 07:03.23 | omnibike | the ip_forward now enables packets to be forwarded between subnets |
| 07:03.30 | dondelelcaro | omnibike: if it is, then you don't need it. |
| 07:03.51 | omnibike | thanks guys :) |
| 07:03.55 | omnibike | very appreciated |
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| 07:06.25 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Sorry about the delay. You need to determine the name of the old package and 'apt-get remove' that package. |
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| 07:06.29 | vorlon | dondelelcaro: oh, bah... you've never seen that before? Clearly I failed to pimp myself properly post-DC4. :P |
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| 07:06.59 | dondelelcaro | vorlon: heh. I probably had, but the talks weren't as well organized for DC4 as they were for DC5 |
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| 07:07.28 | dondelelcaro | vorlon: the videotaping and eveyrthing really made those talks accessible for people who couldn't attend them all and people who weren't able to attend at all |
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| 07:11.47 | fare | thanks a lot! |
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| 07:13.21 | vorlon | dondelelcaro: well, yes. Though I had also been told at the talk by people that it ought to be discussed on list, and I don't think I ever got around to that. :/ |
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| 07:19.37 | prjktdtnt | ok i have some questions about video playback in sarge (kern 2.6.8-2-386, KDE 3.4.2). for codecs that would decode something like WMV and some MPG,MPEG,AVI files...what package(s) would i need? |
| 07:19.53 | ke6isf | prjktdtnt: totem. |
| 07:19.57 | ke6isf | prjktdtnt: mplayer. |
| 07:20.03 | ke6isf | prjktdtnt: One of those should work just fine. |
| 07:20.06 | EdLin | !tell prjktdtnt -about marillat |
| 07:20.07 | k-man_ | in the doco for udev, it says that udevinfo will show me info for my device. but when i use it on /dev/input/eve/t4 it doesn't seem to give me all the info for my usb remote |
| 07:20.25 | k-man_ | is there a trick to using udev on /dev/input devices? |
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| 07:20.55 | prjktdtnt | ke6isf and edlin: thx |
| 07:21.07 | EdLin | prjktdtnt: np |
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| 07:22.46 | prjktdtnt | EdLin: I tried using cvs stuff once...baaaaad! cant stand cvs. that one you sent me wasn't cvs was it? |
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| 07:23.53 | EdLin | prjktdtnt: what I sent you was the most popular Debian repository for mplayer+w32codecs |
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| 07:24.49 | EdLin | prjktdtnt: no usage of cvs is required. |
| 07:25.00 | prjktdtnt | sigh yea unless its already .deb'd (with the exception of the alsa source) i tend to move on because i have issues about compiling...expecially untill my new compy is built...intell 450mhz...slooww! plus its a pain |
| 07:25.02 | EdLin | (not that I hate cvs) |
| 07:25.22 | prjktdtnt | oh ok |
| 07:25.29 | prjktdtnt | sigh of relief |
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| 07:25.36 | EdLin | prjktdtnt: IT'S A DEBIAN REPOSITORY. Why don't you check the information I sent you rather than assume it's bad |
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| 07:26.17 | prjktdtnt | smacks forehead sorry sometimes i miss little things like that...im still just trying to get used to linux...im a WINEdows user by upbringing |
| 07:26.22 | t3ch9 | where can i find to guide me to install my nvidia in sarge? |
| 07:26.29 | ke6isf | !nvidia |
| 07:26.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
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| 07:26.46 | ke6isf | t3ch9: I've already had this information out for you. Also, /msg dpkg nvidia. |
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| 07:26.49 | t3ch9 | what sir |
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| 07:26.54 | t3ch9 | what site sir |
| 07:26.57 | t3ch9 | what URL |
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| 07:27.09 | t3ch9 | so stuck right now |
| 07:27.11 | ke6isf | t3ch9: Read the stuff above that dpkg said. |
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| 07:28.15 | k-man_ | how can i force my usb remote to appear on the same device node each time? |
| 07:28.23 | k-man_ | im trying to get udev to do it but it seems to be ignoring me |
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| 07:30.47 | prjktdtnt | EdLin thanks again |
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| 07:31.30 | MaxPower | hey, im trying to access debian under windows network but its asking me for a username and password to which i enter a linux username and password and its not working |
| 07:31.37 | MaxPower | could someone help please? |
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| 07:31.46 | EdLin | prjktdtnt: np |
| 07:32.31 | genera | MaxPower: Samba? |
| 07:32.33 | prjktdtnt | Max: i get that same problem and i've never been able to figure it out...(info on samba version may be usefull to the helpers) |
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| 07:32.52 | MaxPower | genera yeah. |
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| 07:33.14 | genera | the samba password are not connected to the unix password.s |
| 07:33.23 | MaxPower | prjktdtnt, its weird isnt it? u would think that with a linux user account it should be easily accessible |
| 07:33.25 | dawg | maxpower, have you setup /etc/samba/smbusers and smbpasswd properly? |
| 07:33.25 | genera | at least not in the samba versions i have seen |
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| 07:33.36 | genera | read man smbpasswd |
| 07:33.38 | t3ch9 | read my error in the flood sir |
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| 07:33.42 | MaxPower | dawg, probably not |
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| 07:34.08 | MaxPower | dawg, genera. Thanks |
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| 07:34.23 | MaxPower | prjktdtnt, if i figure it out.. ill let u know |
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| 07:34.27 | prjktdtnt | Double that from max 4 me |
| 07:34.28 | prjktdtnt | thx |
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| 07:45.15 | t3ch9 | so hard to install nvidia in debian |
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| 07:45.32 | FlopsyPete | is it possible to re-run the debian-installer from within an already running Debian? |
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| 07:46.23 | bob2 | FlopsyPete: to do what? |
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| 07:46.28 | bob2 | t3ch9: it's a one liner... |
| 07:46.28 | amck | FlopsyPete: not as such. You can re-run base-config (the 'second-level' of di) |
| 07:47.06 | t3ch9 | what should i do |
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| 07:47.26 | t3ch9 | im keep searching to guides in the internet but still doesn't work |
| 07:47.36 | t3ch9 | what do you mean by one liner |
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| 07:47.56 | amck | t3ch9 FlopsyPete: all the settings that d-i does can be done within a running Debian. What do you want to change? |
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| 07:48.18 | t3ch9 | i want to install my nvidia card properly |
| 07:48.21 | t3ch9 | but how? |
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| 07:48.42 | t3ch9 | dpkg giving me some quotes but it doesn't work |
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| 07:49.27 | t3ch9 | now im searching myself thru the internet |
| 07:49.44 | t3ch9 | but this is the help desk for the debian site |
| 07:49.53 | FlopsyPete | bob2, amck: I have someone who I've converted to Debian keeps complaining that when things don't run right after using d-i, the way he's used to using Suse is to re-run the installer. For example he says dpkg-reconfigure x-server-common doesn't ask him the same questuions d-i did when setting up X and he wants the same dialog |
| 07:50.01 | zakame | hi t3ch9 |
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| 07:50.35 | t3ch9 | hi zakame |
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| 07:50.41 | t3ch9 | can you help me? |
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| 07:50.53 | cat | ask |
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| 07:51.04 | amck | FlopsyPete: try dpkg-reconifugre xserver-xorg for the new xorg instead (running sid or sarge?) |
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| 07:51.25 | zakame | t3ch9, installing nvidia on sid or sarge? |
| 07:51.31 | t3ch9 | sarge |
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| 07:51.50 | t3ch9 | debian dont know my video card |
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| 07:51.56 | amck | Under sarge try 'dexconf'. |
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| 07:51.58 | t3ch9 | nvidia is a common video card |
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| 07:52.11 | FlopsyPete | amck: running sarge so can we stick with xfree86 as I haven't tested xorg yet to be able to support others with it |
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| 07:52.21 | FlopsyPete | amck: sorry, running testing |
| 07:52.21 | amck | ok, try dexconf |
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| 07:54.17 | FlopsyPete | amck: but do you know what config script d-i calls for X for example? |
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| 07:55.03 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:55.34 | t3ch9 | obiwan:/usr/src# apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source |
| 07:55.35 | t3ch9 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 07:55.35 | t3ch9 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 07:55.35 | t3ch9 | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 07:57.43 | t3ch9 | my god!!! |
| 07:57.52 | t3ch9 | my nvidia doesn't work |
| 07:58.04 | t3ch9 | apt-get in nvidia doesn't work |
| 07:58.10 | t3ch9 | what should i do |
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| 07:58.26 | TheBigfoot | apt-get install nvidia-glx ? |
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| 07:58.39 | t3ch9 | that one doesn't work too |
| 07:58.56 | TheBigfoot | then install the nvidia drivers |
| 07:59.01 | TheBigfoot | nvidia.com |
| 07:59.08 | bob2 | !+nvidia one liner |
| 07:59.08 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 07:59.14 | t3ch9 | nvidia.com SUCKS! |
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| 07:59.14 | bob2 | have you don't that yet? |
| 07:59.19 | bob2 | er, done |
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| 07:59.26 | vorlon | t3ch9: you apparently don't have non-free in your sources.list. |
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| 07:59.48 | t3ch9 | dpkg, you should done that a while ago |
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| 08:01.30 | zakame | hehe |
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| 08:04.01 | Py | I'm just setting up a sarge box, which is running xfce4. I want to start some app at session opening, so I did cp /etc/X11/xfce4/xinitrc $HOME/xfce4/xinitrc, and added my stuff to this file, as per xfce4 docs. However it doesn't seems to be ran at all. What did I miss? |
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| 08:04.33 | t3ch9 | fuck... it doesn't work |
| 08:04.37 | t3ch9 | my god |
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| 08:04.45 | bob2 | t3ch9: a) language |
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| 08:05.02 | bob2 | t3ch9: b) no one can help you, since you ignore the help your given, and refuse to show us the errors |
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| 08:06.16 | n0cturnal | how can i install gnome on a box that currently does not run it? |
| 08:06.29 | bob2 | sudo aptitude install gnome |
| 08:07.06 | n0cturnal | whinges about dependencies... |
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| 08:07.26 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 08:07.29 | n0cturnal | gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.10.1.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 08:07.42 | bob2 | so |
| 08:07.50 | bob2 | sources.lsit -> #flood |
| 08:07.55 | bob2 | full error -> #flood |
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| 08:08.03 | bob2 | apt-cache policy gnome -> #flood |
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| 08:08.10 | ChristianP | i have to download a folder from cvs,but i have no idea how it works. Is there a simple way to download the folder? |
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| 08:08.50 | bob2 | then you need to tell us the cvsroot and the path |
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| 08:09.46 | t3ch9 | Ķ Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. # |
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| 08:09.56 | bob2 | holy fuck |
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| 08:11.00 | prjktdtnt | HELP! The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 08:11.00 | prjktdtnt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.00 | prjktdtnt | 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 201 not upgraded. |
| 08:11.01 | prjktdtnt | Need to get 0B/111kB of archives. |
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| 08:11.42 | bob2 | holy god |
| 08:11.47 | prjktdtnt | ...? |
| 08:11.48 | Py | after asking xfce peoples, it seems that xfce4 startup scripts are womewhat modified on debian. Any hint about where I've to put a command I wan executed at session opening for xfce4 ? |
| 08:12.02 | bob2 | prjktdtnt: a) don't paste shit in here, b) you haven't asked a question yet |
| 08:12.08 | prjktdtnt | sorry |
| 08:12.21 | prjktdtnt | hangs head in shame damn us n00bs |
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| 08:13.24 | ChristianP | bob2, http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/collective/PortalTransitions/ i need to download this folder |
| 08:13.24 | prjktdtnt | basically that paste up there...that is my question kinda...how would i go about fixing that it happened durring an apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:13.26 | dondelelcaro | Py: drop a comand in your .xsession if you're using startx or anything else that runs .xsession like it should. |
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| 08:13.41 | bob2 | prjktdtnt: you got kicked out of the channel before we saw it. paste it to #flood. |
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| 08:14.08 | bob2 | ChristianP: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/collective/ co PortalTransitions |
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| 08:14.22 | prjktdtnt | ok pasted it |
| 08:14.32 | bob2 | prjktdtnt: your disk is corrupt |
| 08:14.37 | bob2 | something fucked up /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 08:15.04 | prjktdtnt | X( this all started when i was told to get the w32codecs from that uhh gah whatever it was |
| 08:15.10 | prjktdtnt | the unofficial repository |
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| 08:15.14 | bob2 | no |
| 08:15.18 | bob2 | that didn't cause this problem |
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| 08:15.35 | Py | dondelelcaro: ok, let's try this. brb |
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| 08:15.48 | prjktdtnt | like i said not the final cause...but the start can i finish the story first? |
| 08:16.03 | bob2 | please don't tell me you touched that file yourself |
| 08:16.04 | bob2 | please |
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| 08:16.20 | prjktdtnt | which one? |
| 08:16.27 | t3ch9 | Ķ Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. # |
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| 08:16.44 | bob2 | t3ch9: holy fuck |
| 08:16.44 | dondelelcaro | t3ch9: if you paste stuff here again, you will be banned. Stop doing that. |
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| 08:16.51 | bob2 | er, what dondelelcaro said |
| 08:17.00 | t3ch9 | what should i do |
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| 08:17.21 | bob2 | t3ch9: stop being useless. paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood. |
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| 08:17.36 | vibey | i got promoted at work... and guess what that means... no more redhat for our company.. go go debian... |
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| 08:17.46 | prjktdtnt | not dpkg/status it was when i echo'd the unofficial repository and overwrote the sources.list instead of appending |
| 08:17.50 | markos_ | bob2: be nicer |
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| 08:18.08 | prjktdtnt | tried to install one it killed everything and before it finished i closed the konsole slaps self now everything is dead |
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| 08:18.27 | t3ch9 | there |
| 08:18.30 | t3ch9 | what's next |
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| 08:18.52 | t3ch9 | so desperate in my nvidia |
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| 08:19.26 | bob2 | prjktdtnt: that will not have affected /var/lib/dpkg/status. something else edited it |
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| 08:19.55 | prjktdtnt | dunno what it was then like i said got that whilst apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:20.04 | dondelelcaro | prjktdtnt: if you're lucky, you still have a viable status backup in /var/backups/dpkg.status... |
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| 08:20.09 | prjktdtnt | (in atempt to fix my kde programs being deleted |
| 08:20.26 | bob2 | t3ch9: so, you didn't actually edit /etc/apt/sources.list like people suggested |
| 08:20.26 | t3ch9 | it's not a helpdesk. it's helpless |
| 08:20.30 | bob2 | t3ch9: that is the root of your problem |
| 08:20.32 | t3ch9 | =( |
| 08:20.36 | t3ch9 | yup |
| 08:20.36 | bob2 | t3ch9: and stop being so annoying |
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| 08:20.42 | t3ch9 | just the video card |
| 08:20.42 | bob2 | so, go edit it |
| 08:20.44 | t3ch9 | that's all |
| 08:20.48 | bob2 | and do not speak in here again unti lyou do |
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| 08:21.29 | prjktdtnt | w |
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| 08:21.39 | t3ch9 | what should i put in my sources.list |
| 08:21.48 | t3ch9 | those are URLs |
| 08:21.54 | bob2 | t3ch9: which part of the previous explanations did you not understand? |
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| 08:22.00 | Py | dondelelcaro: well, chen I create the .xsession file, the command I put inside is all that gets started. Xfce4 doesn't get started anymore. The box is running gdm, and so xfce4 is started from there, but I don't know exactly how... |
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| 08:22.15 | t3ch9 | the apt-get in nvidia |
| 08:22.19 | t3ch9 | doesn't work |
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| 08:22.35 | t3ch9 | i dont know why |
| 08:22.37 | bob2 | t3ch9: no |
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| 08:22.38 | bob2 | stop it |
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| 08:22.41 | dondelelcaro | Py: ah, just exec xfce4; at the end of your .xsession if that's the appropriate thing to start. |
| 08:22.46 | t3ch9 | this is my first time running in a GUI |
| 08:22.59 | bob2 | t3ch9: you've been told to edit /etc/apt/sources.list. which part of those instructions did you not udnerstand? |
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| 08:22.59 | prjktdtnt | GAH! im almost ready to reinstall this crap (again) it says all these programs are already installed and they arent |
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| 08:23.09 | t3ch9 | i'm always running in console |
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| 08:23.30 | bob2 | t3ch9: andwer my question |
| 08:23.35 | t3ch9 | what will i edit in the source.list? |
| 08:23.39 | t3ch9 | those are URLS |
| 08:23.44 | t3ch9 | and ftp |
| 08:23.46 | bob2 | stop it |
| 08:24.00 | t3ch9 | should i put something on it? |
| 08:24.11 | prjktdtnt | t3ch9: ctrl+alt+f1 (or f2-f5) and add the sources just as they appear in flood |
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| 08:24.18 | prjktdtnt | one line at a time |
| 08:24.21 | bob2 | edit the line "deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main" so it says "deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free" |
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| 08:24.51 | markos_ | t3ch9: you could use the other VCs for that |
| 08:24.54 | Py | dondelelcaro: oh yes true, I start to see the point! thx |
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| 08:25.40 | dondelelcaro | Py: basically, in an ideal Debian system, .xsession tells the DM (or startx) exactly what you want to run... there are some other things which will start sessions if you don't have one setup, but it's generally the best method. |
| 08:25.50 | dondelelcaro | Py: anyway, glad that you've got it working now. |
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| 08:26.45 | t3ch9 | see flood |
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| 08:27.14 | bob2 | t3ch9: did you read what apt-get said? |
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| 08:27.19 | bob2 | it told you how to fix the problem |
| 08:27.22 | t3ch9 | yah |
| 08:27.27 | t3ch9 | i already do that |
| 08:27.44 | bob2 | and now... |
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| 08:28.37 | prjktdtnt | bob2: the old status has the same error problems...any more suggestions? |
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| 08:28.58 | bob2 | fix it or reinstall |
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| 08:29.04 | bob2 | where fix it = make dpkg stop complaining |
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| 08:29.38 | prjktdtnt | in what manner would i make dpkg slave to my wishes? |
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| 08:29.54 | prjktdtnt | or does it look like a full system reinstall? |
| 08:29.55 | bob2 | by editing the status file manually |
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| 08:30.07 | prjktdtnt | ouch...here goes nothin sigh |
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| 08:30.47 | prjktdtnt | if i knew what version of kdenetwork i was running it would be helpfull |
| 08:30.57 | prjktdtnt | because that is the one that is pissing it off |
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| 08:31.00 | drac | Image showing program, but not qt/kde/gnome/gtk/gtk2, showing thumbnails? Not asking what is best, but just one that works even slightly. |
| 08:31.06 | t3ch9 | what's next bob? |
| 08:31.07 | dondelelcaro | prjktdtnt: less /usr/sahre/doc/kdenetwork/changelog.Debian.gz should tell you |
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| 08:31.12 | dondelelcaro | s/less/zless/ |
| 08:31.19 | bob2 | t3ch9: now install the nvidia package |
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| 08:31.43 | t3ch9 | just like this : dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-2.6.5_1.0.5336-9_i386.deb |
| 08:31.47 | bob2 | no |
| 08:31.53 | bob2 | !+nvidia one liner |
| 08:31.53 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 08:31.59 | t3ch9 | ok |
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| 08:32.16 | t3ch9 | cool |
| 08:32.18 | t3ch9 | =) |
| 08:32.23 | prjktdtnt | no such file or directory (blahblahblah/kdenetwork/changelog.Debian.gz) |
| 08:32.23 | t3ch9 | you make me happy right now |
| 08:32.38 | bob2 | then it's not installed |
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| 08:33.33 | prjktdtnt | it was the html docs |
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| 08:34.07 | prjktdtnt | X( not that i can read it cause konqueror got toasted |
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| 08:34.37 | cat | prjktdtnt: what do you mean by toasted? |
| 08:34.46 | dondelelcaro | prjktdtnt: wait, what? /usr/share/doc/kdenetwork exists but the changelog.Debian.gz isn't there? |
| 08:35.13 | prjktdtnt | no its that its /usr/share/doc/kdenetwork-doc-html |
| 08:35.22 | prjktdtnt | and changelog.Debian.gz is in THERE |
| 08:35.39 | dondelelcaro | prjktdtnt: right, then kdenetwork isn't installed, but kdenetowrk-doc-html is. |
| 08:35.41 | prjktdtnt | cat: has gone missing |
| 08:35.54 | dondelelcaro | prjktdtnt: so edit the status file to delete that entry, and run dpkg again. |
| 08:35.56 | t3ch9 | bob |
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| 08:36.01 | t3ch9 | what will be the next |
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| 08:36.04 | prjktdtnt | ok will try brb |
| 08:36.05 | bob2 | so |
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| 08:36.09 | bob2 | my nick is not "bob" |
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| 08:36.13 | t3ch9 | reboot? |
| 08:36.14 | bob2 | and it's not my name, either |
| 08:36.14 | dondelelcaro | prjktdtnt: continue on this path until you get a working status file, keeping track of what you delete, and then reinstall it later. |
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| 08:36.35 | dondelelcaro | bob2: it's not bob1 nor bob3 but bob2... |
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| 08:36.55 | t3ch9 | ok bob2 |
| 08:37.00 | t3ch9 | whats next? |
| 08:37.06 | vorlon | bob2: your name is actually 'quid'? |
| 08:37.10 | cat | read the manual |
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| 08:37.32 | prjktdtnt | GAHHHHH i think i know what the problem is...loose nut behind the keyboard (PEBKAC) |
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| 08:38.08 | bob2 | t3ch9: what do you mean what's next? what are you up to? |
| 08:38.11 | prjktdtnt | now it is giving me an even longer error about kdeadmin missing version and debconf version being broken |
| 08:38.12 | t3ch9 | i reboot it |
| 08:38.19 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i think the problem is TERMCAP thats not showing the non-ascii |
| 08:38.30 | deadcat | where do i go to check my TERMCAP? |
| 08:38.44 | t3ch9 | do i need any commands to run my nvidia |
| 08:38.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: termcap is set by screen in response to what TERM is set when it starts |
| 08:39.09 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: so yes, that would likely be the issue there |
| 08:39.19 | MaxPower | hey, how do you list the devices in the console please? |
| 08:39.27 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: any idea why some screen window dont set it? |
| 08:39.38 | deadcat | MaxPower: lspci |
| 08:39.53 | MaxPower | deadcat: thanks |
| 08:39.56 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no... esp. if you started them from the same terminal at the same time... |
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| 08:40.19 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: if you started them on different terminals, I might see it though. |
| 08:40.21 | prjktdtnt | screw it |
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| 08:40.36 | markos_ | MaxPower: what kind of devices? lspci lists only the pci/agp devices on the system, not for example usb or other devices |
| 08:41.02 | prjktdtnt | should i go through and kill any package that doesnt list a version then retry? |
| 08:41.06 | dondelelcaro | there's also an lsusb for them... |
| 08:41.15 | t3ch9 | what command should i use to edit my screen resolution |
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| 08:41.21 | MaxPower | markos_ yeah i need to find the dev/hda etc.. |
| 08:41.26 | dondelelcaro | prjktdtnt: nah, just keep deleting segments until you get a working status file |
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| 08:41.30 | Py | is there a way to get xscreensaver to lock the screen as the session gets opened? the session gets opened automatically, and a specific monitoring app is started. But as the box may be remote rebooted unattended, I want the session to get locked with no delay. Is it doable? |
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| 08:41.42 | prjktdtnt | ok sigh its almost worth the hastle to reinstall |
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| 08:41.51 | prjktdtnt | but then i have to reset everything so scre it |
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| 08:42.01 | markos_ | MaxPower: in that case, it's just a command: ls -l /dev/ |
| 08:42.05 | dondelelcaro | Py: why are you starting the session automatically like that? can't you start the monitoring thingie from @reboot? |
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| 08:42.13 | MaxPower | markos_ thanks mate :0 |
| 08:42.14 | MaxPower | :) |
| 08:42.15 | markos_ | MaxPower: better pipe that to less |
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| 08:42.34 | markos_ | t3ch9: edit what do you mean? |
| 08:42.34 | MaxPower | prjktdtnt i pm'd u if u still need that info |
| 08:42.35 | dondelelcaro | t3ch9: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfre86; or $EDITOR /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:42.45 | prjktdtnt | u did? |
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| 08:42.49 | prjktdtnt | i didnt get it |
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| 08:42.53 | MaxPower | oh |
| 08:42.58 | Akatemik | Hello. Is it possible for a computer (Debian stable with 2.4.27-2-k7) to get stuck by pluging an usb keyboard in and out several times? |
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| 08:43.01 | prjktdtnt | (unregistered) |
| 08:43.09 | t3ch9 | i already install ng nvidia |
| 08:43.10 | xaber | t3ch9, if your using gnome, try gnome-display-properties |
| 08:43.12 | Py | dondelcaro: well, i now it's kindoff dumb, but I've no control on it: the app is a graphical app, and thus needs an xsession to be running to be started |
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| 08:43.21 | dondelelcaro | Akatemik: unlikely, but if there is a kernel bug, I could see it... |
| 08:43.23 | xaber | t3ch9, its in the menu |
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| 08:43.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: but TERMCAP is undefined even on a new xterm (no screen), just xterm |
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| 08:43.50 | t3ch9 | in the console command |
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| 08:44.00 | Py | dondelelcaro, sorry, mistyped your nick |
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| 08:44.02 | t3ch9 | gui doesn't recognize |
| 08:44.02 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: right, but screen will set it iirc. |
| 08:44.08 | MaxPower | prjktdtnt: for Samba to add a user, add them as a unix account to start off, then as root type smbpasswd -a username |
| 08:44.09 | dondelelcaro | Py: oh... well, you could run xlock -mode blank; from your .xsession... |
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| 08:44.12 | markos_ | t3ch9: fbset "1024x768-75" |
| 08:44.13 | markos_ | eg |
| 08:44.14 | MaxPower | and it works from there |
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| 08:44.20 | dondelelcaro | Py: just append an & to fork it off... |
| 08:44.21 | Akatemik | I just can't figure what else might be going wrong. Twice already this box has got stuck while changing kb with another machine, and this time console was filled with interrupts from usb-ohci |
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| 08:44.38 | prjktdtnt | MaxPower thanks |
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| 08:44.48 | prjktdtnt | i will try that once i get the rest of this crap fixed |
| 08:44.52 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh ya.. but one of the window in screen still have problem displaying it.. oh well. |
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| 08:45.05 | dondelelcaro | Akatemik: you should see some stuff when it happens, but it shouldn't be a huge deal unless there's something wrong with the usb device... |
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| 08:45.21 | t3ch9 | hey markos your command does't work |
| 08:45.27 | MaxPower | prjktdtnt: no probs |
| 08:45.53 | Akatemik | dondelelcaro: Usb device should be fine, the other box was my debian unstable with 2.6, and it didn't care at all if I switch keyboards. |
| 08:45.55 | Py | dondelelcaro: I try it right now. Thanks a lot for all your hints! |
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| 08:46.03 | dondelelcaro | Py: np, good luck. |
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| 08:46.13 | markos_ | t3ch9: well, it's for the console and only in case you use a framebuffer in the console, eg. vesafb or similar |
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| 08:46.27 | dondelelcaro | Akatemik: hrm; well, it could be a kernel problem, but I've personally never seen that before. |
| 08:46.29 | Akatemik | Hmh, maybe I should try 2.6 on the box. |
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| 08:46.37 | t3ch9 | any other command |
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| 08:46.59 | markos_ | t3ch9: do you have the package fbset installer? |
| 08:47.02 | t3ch9 | XFree86 doen't work |
| 08:47.05 | t3ch9 | nop |
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| 08:47.23 | markos_ | t3ch9: then no wonder the command doesn't work, it's not there! |
| 08:47.30 | markos_ | t3ch9: apt-get install fbset |
| 08:47.31 | t3ch9 | im installing it |
| 08:47.35 | t3ch9 | copy |
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| 08:47.53 | takatumi | Thermal 1: ok, 52.0 degrees C at rest with irssi, screen, xorg, mutt and a few more. |
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| 08:48.22 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 08:48.22 | gothtec | doing "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" doesn't give me a new XF86Config-4... what's the correct command? |
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| 08:48.27 | markos_ | takatumi: yes, mutt is a real cpu hog :-) |
| 08:48.37 | jeffrin | is there any channel for firewalls |
| 08:48.46 | ma3x | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 08:48.46 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.50 | ma3x | how do i put that to upgrade too? |
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| 08:48.57 | takatumi | markos_: 5307 nach 16 0 14304 9672 1740 S 0.0 2.2 0:04.93 mutt |
| 08:48.58 | raz0 | gothtec, Have you previously edited your x config by hand? |
| 08:49.01 | dondelelcaro | !kept back |
| 08:49.01 | dpkg | from memory, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 08:49.05 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: see above. |
| 08:49.10 | paula | ma3x: apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 08:49.14 | markos_ | takatumi: i was joking :-) |
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| 08:49.20 | MaxPower | markos_: how do u list the devices so u can see what they relate to? |
| 08:49.21 | gothtec | raz0: ah yes. there was something special I had to do then, wasn't there? |
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| 08:49.26 | takatumi | markos_: I know. ;p |
| 08:49.26 | ma3x | ok thanks dondelelcaro |
| 08:49.31 | n0cturnal | how can I forward my gnome session on a box to cygwin here? :P |
| 08:49.31 | ma3x | paula, sure |
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| 08:50.01 | t3ch9 | obiwan:~# fbset "1024x768-75" |
| 08:50.02 | t3ch9 | open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 08:50.02 | t3ch9 | obiwan:~# |
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| 08:50.18 | takatumi | markos_: the temp, goes upto 70C while compiling something, unless I limit the cpufreq. |
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| 08:50.29 | Py | dondelelcaro, wonderful! this rocks :-) |
| 08:50.34 | deadcat | HAHAHAHA obiwan |
| 08:50.37 | raz0 | gothtec, Yes. You have to update the md5 hash of the config - can't remember where it's located, but it says so at the top of the config. |
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| 08:50.42 | markos_ | MaxPower: i think you would like to read the /dev/MAKEDEV file, or the /etc/modules.conf or the udev/hotplug files |
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| 08:50.45 | deadcat | very original |
| 08:50.53 | gothtec | raz0: thanks :D |
| 08:51.05 | raz0 | np |
| 08:51.07 | takatumi | !xmd5 |
| 08:51.07 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 08:51.12 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, E: Package ndiswrapper-modules-1.2 has no installation candidate |
| 08:51.14 | ma3x | how do i install that? |
| 08:51.24 | deadcat | ma3x: you dont |
| 08:51.24 | takatumi | or try dexconf |
| 08:51.33 | ma3x | why, its dependent |
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| 08:52.00 | Py | dondelelcaro: but even if it rocks, I've already told the guys in charge of the monitoring tool to split their damn app into core and graphical viewer... but I feel like it will take some time to get it done, so system is now readily usable anyway! |
| 08:52.03 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: you don't, you wait for it to make it to unstable. |
| 08:52.10 | n0cturnal | anyone able to help me? |
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| 08:52.19 | deadcat | n0cturnal: not if you dont ask the q |
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| 08:52.22 | dondelelcaro | Py: right... that's the proper solution |
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| 08:52.51 | n0cturnal | 16:50 < n0cturnal> how can I forward my gnome session on a box to cygwin here? :P |
| 08:52.57 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, aight thanks buddy! :)WWWWW |
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| 08:53.07 | takatumi | !agi <package> |
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| 08:53.21 | takatumi | !acs <package> |
| 08:53.22 | dpkg | apt-cache search <package> |
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| 08:53.33 | markos_ | t3ch9: it probably means you don't have framebuffer working, cat /proc/devices|grep fb |
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| 08:53.42 | prjktdtnt | pronouncing this task to be too long and tedious...deciding to try again later via COMPLETE REINSTALL thanks for all the help anyways...i just hate long tasks like this (yet im starting school for associates in computer networking...hmm) |
| 08:53.49 | MaxPower | how do you move files and folders in a directory to another directory please? |
| 08:53.49 | prjktdtnt | bye all /quit DAMNDIT! |
| 08:53.52 | prjktdtnt | ahh |
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| 08:54.03 | womble | MaxPower: mv |
| 08:54.08 | MaxPower | thanks |
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| 08:54.22 | takatumi | dondelelcaro: how do I add !agi foo aptitude install $foo? |
| 08:54.24 | markos_ | MaxPower: from shell, a simple "mv file1 file2 file3 ... destination" will do |
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| 08:55.09 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: cmd: agi (.*?) is ($1): <reply> aptitude install $1 |
| 08:55.09 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 08:55.21 | dondelelcaro | agi foo |
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| 08:55.24 | dondelelcaro | !agi foo |
| 08:55.25 | dpkg | aptitude install foo |
| 08:55.31 | takatumi | dondelelcaro: cheers. |
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| 08:57.26 | AlexBO | HELLO!I made almost a disaster...I moved some system files (/bin, /boot, /dev, /etc).I was nearly about to reinstall all the system, but with a live I managed to copy the system files and now it seems to work.there is a problem, however.Now X server can't mount automatically the cdrom and I have to make it by myself as superuser.how can i set it? |
| 08:57.29 | MaxPower | hey if i mount a ntfs partition in linux, how come I cant access it in samba? |
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| 08:57.53 | takatumi | AlexBO: gnome-volume-manager |
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| 08:58.09 | MaxPower | same as the vsftpd cant access it either |
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| 08:58.52 | takatumi | dondelelcaro: are there any docs on the cmd (.*?) ? why those characters? |
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| 08:59.14 | vorlon | MaxPower: file permissions are a mount option. |
| 08:59.32 | takatumi | !wb vorlon |
| 08:59.33 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! vorlon has returned! |
| 08:59.51 | MaxPower | vorlon, ive set the directory permissions to 777 though |
| 09:00.01 | AlexBO | takatumi, okey.I have seen on it that it's set to automount all the discs, but it doesn't |
| 09:00.01 | dondelelcaro | takatumi: it's a regex, basically... and no, there isn't any real documentation on them; look at other commands (using literal cmd: foo (.*?)) for more detail |
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| 09:00.15 | n0cturnal | how can I forward my gnome session on a box to cygwin here? |
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| 09:00.40 | takatumi | AlexBO: checked the logs for errors? |
| 09:00.51 | vorlon | MaxPower: is that what you see for permissions within the NTFS mount point if you do ls -l? |
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| 09:01.13 | vorlon | takatumi: I... was away? |
| 09:01.14 | AlexBO | takatumi, well, i don't know if it makes errors.where i can find the log? |
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| 09:01.31 | takatumi | vorlon: no, just greetings from #debian :) |
| 09:01.36 | MaxPower | i see this brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 6 2005-02-26 17:38 /dev/hda6 |
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| 09:01.49 | vorlon | takatumi: ok. :) |
| 09:01.54 | bomb | uh, why would you chmod 777 an NTFS partition |
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| 09:02.04 | takatumi | AlexBO: I don't use gnome-volume-manager, *shrug*. |
| 09:02.05 | vorlon | MaxPower: er, that's not the mount point, that's the block device. |
| 09:02.06 | bomb | are you attempting to write to NTFS? |
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| 09:02.17 | MaxPower | bomb yes |
| 09:02.27 | AlexBO | takatumi, does your gnome automount cdroms? |
| 09:02.29 | bomb | you better read up on that |
| 09:02.39 | takatumi | AlexBO: no, I don't use gnome much. |
| 09:02.42 | bomb | writing to NTFS under linux is generally a bad idea |
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| 09:02.51 | bomb | are you using captive-ntfs or something? |
| 09:02.58 | silensius | i can add a printer in user mode : when i will add it return : i can get list of printer and i can connect to cups |
| 09:03.05 | MaxPower | really? |
| 09:03.23 | MaxPower | im just wanting to use the linux box as a file server amoung other things |
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| 09:03.35 | takatumi | MaxPower: sure it is. it's mentioned dangerous in the kernel config iirc. |
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| 09:04.25 | MaxPower | takatumi even if ur writing to it from a winXP box, but debian is the server? |
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| 09:05.01 | vorlon | you think writing to it from WinXP magically makes Linux's NTFS driver more stable? |
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| 09:05.03 | takatumi | vorlon: we need an !overfriendsphallus similar factoid for sarge. !vorlonfoo |
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| 09:05.10 | womble | MaxPower: You don't need to read/write NTFS to act as a fileserver for Windows clients -- it's a common misconception, but your Linux box just needs to talk SMB (via Samba) to the windows boxes. |
| 09:05.14 | vorlon | takatumi: heh. |
| 09:05.18 | keir | where can i find debs of kernel 2.6.13? |
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| 09:05.53 | drac | keir: from your /usr/src after you have packaged one for yourself. ;) |
| 09:06.00 | takatumi | keir: roll you own, I had issues with .13 |
| 09:06.06 | takatumi | s/you/your |
| 09:06.06 | [sr] | howdy |
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| 09:06.38 | MaxPower | womble: but I have a ntfs partition on there already, so rather then just using a linux directory to host the file server, i thought i would use the ntfs partition mounted as the file server.. is this a bad idea? |
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| 09:07.17 | womble | MaxPower: Yes, very bad idea. Use a Linux-native filesystem like Reiser, ext3, or xfs. Much more reliable, and almost certainly faster. |
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| 09:07.48 | MaxPower | womble oh ok thanks.. |
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| 09:08.24 | takatumi | the flow of bots doesn't seem to be stemming. |
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| 09:08.34 | MaxPower | well if i delete the windows partition, can i resize the linux partition without reinstalling debian? |
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| 09:08.58 | AlexBO | HELLO! I'd like to mount the cdrom without root's privilegis.how can i do? |
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| 09:09.20 | bomb | AlexBO: try adding your login to the cdrom group |
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| 09:09.50 | keir | takatumi, what tool do i use to make my own kernel deb? |
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| 09:10.08 | takatumi | keir: kernel-package |
| 09:10.12 | keir | ok |
| 09:10.17 | takatumi | !kp mantra |
| 09:10.18 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 09:11.28 | n0cturnal | how can I forward my gnome session on a box to cygwin here? |
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| 09:11.55 | takatumi | n0cturnal: no #cygwin? |
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| 09:12.32 | AlexBO | bomb, i made a disaster.now i can't run any program that need root's privilegis (so neither the date). |
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| 09:12.55 | bomb | AlexBO: huh? |
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| 09:13.03 | takatumi | AlexBO: you sound like a disaster waiting to happen. |
| 09:13.10 | t3ch9 | what command should i use to edit my screen resolution |
| 09:13.22 | takatumi | !drxx t3ch9 |
| 09:13.23 | dpkg | t3ch9: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:13.48 | silensius | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.50 | takatumi | why isn't dexconf mentioned much? that serves the purpose too. |
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| 09:14.16 | AlexBO | bomb, I moved system files (/bin, /boot, /dev, /etc): i was about to reinstall the OS, but with a live cd a managed to copy them.now it seems to work, but there is this problem.i think it's a gnome problem |
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| 09:14.29 | AlexBO | bomb, can you help me? |
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| 09:14.44 | bomb | what do you mean you "moved system files" ?? |
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| 09:14.58 | bomb | if you are reinstallying why bother? |
| 09:15.09 | bomb | reinstalling too |
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| 09:15.29 | t3ch9 | Please enter the video card's bus identifier. |
| 09:15.31 | AlexBO | bomb, I wanted write "mv ./* ~/", but I wrote "mv /* ~/" |
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| 09:15.38 | t3ch9 | what should i put |
| 09:15.43 | bomb | t3ch9: just hit enter if you don't know |
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| 09:15.45 | takatumi | t3ch9: usually enter will suffice. |
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| 09:16.57 | t3ch9 | what's next? |
| 09:16.58 | takatumi | auto-pilot install of the sarge d-i, leave something heavy on the 'enter' key. |
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| 09:17.46 | takatumi | my 4 year old enjoyed the installation, he's was the hitter. |
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| 09:18.05 | takatumi | s/e's/e |
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| 09:19.02 | t3ch9 | should i reboot it? |
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| 09:19.18 | takatumi | now all we need is a debootstrap that works from a random M$ machine. |
| 09:19.30 | takatumi | t3ch9: restart X. |
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| 09:19.44 | t3ch9 | wait |
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| 09:20.27 | |Comrade| | hello how do i ' --assume-yes ' on standard bash commands? ie : cp file1 file2 => cp: overwrite `test2'? |
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| 09:21.47 | subgv | how do use iptables to accept only 1 ip and deny all others ips? |
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| 09:22.26 | bomb | subgv: #iptables |
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| 09:22.37 | t3ch9 | restart X doesnt work |
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| 09:22.43 | subgv | bomb: I did, everyone is asleep |
| 09:22.47 | cld | hello:) my problem is: how to redirect stdout to file and simultaneously to stdout ? |
| 09:22.57 | bomb | t3ch9: does your system boot straight into a graphical login screen? |
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| 09:23.06 | womble | cld: Use the 'tee' command |
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| 09:24.37 | ma3x | how can i remove trash bin from desktop? |
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| 09:24.58 | bomb | ma3x: that kind of depends on your window manager |
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| 09:25.12 | takatumi | ma3x: cannibalism. |
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| 09:25.50 | ma3x | takatumi, dont understand |
| 09:25.51 | ma3x | bomb, kde |
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| 09:27.38 | AlexBO | well...i managed to open applications that needs root privilegesis, but the cdrom doesn't mount automatically.if i write $ gksudo mount /dev/hdc /cdrom, it says me "Failed to run mount '/dev/hdc' '/cdrom': Child terminated with 32 status" |
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| 09:27.50 | Gumby | trying to use tar to backup a directory but I dont want it to back a few subfolders. I have used --exclude-from=FILE as the man page suggests and in FILE I put something likr /path/to/filename. The file still gets backed up. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? |
| 09:27.51 | AlexBO | help me, please! |
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| 09:28.00 | bomb | ma3x: you can turn desktop icons off when you ma3x: right click on your desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior -> General tab |
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| 09:28.19 | ma3x | thanks bomb |
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| 09:28.39 | bomb | there is an option to "Show icons on desktop" |
| 09:28.56 | takatumi | or just run ion and be done with icons. |
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| 09:29.09 | ma3x | whats ion? |
| 09:29.18 | bomb | ion isn't the only iconless window manager |
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| 09:29.25 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: try running sudo instead of gksudo |
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| 09:29.33 | ma3x | bomb, what wm you run? |
| 09:29.37 | Yoe | ma3x: a windowmanager with a very exceptional UI |
| 09:29.40 | bomb | blackbox and fluxbox |
| 09:29.49 | ma3x | bomb, whats cooler? |
| 09:29.52 | AlexBO | valdyn_, it works with sudo |
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| 09:30.06 | bomb | well for me they are exactly the same because they share the same menu file |
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| 09:30.15 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: so gksudo is broken, maybe, f |
| 09:30.24 | bomb | but i usually use fluxbox when i am forced to use X |
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| 09:30.25 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: if you are running sid, read the bts. |
| 09:30.36 | AlexBO | valdyn_, what's sid? |
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| 09:30.48 | valdyn_ | !sid |
| 09:30.48 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 09:30.49 | takatumi | bomb: yet to get the hang of *box. tried 'em both. |
| 09:31.05 | AlexBO | valdyn_, No manual entry for sid |
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| 09:31.25 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: but dpkg knew |
| 09:31.25 | bomb | takatumi: they are both good if you want to play with writing your own themes/menus |
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| 09:32.26 | AlexBO | valdyn_, gksudo is not broken becuase it works with the other applications |
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| 09:32.44 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: oh, alright, sec |
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| 09:32.49 | takatumi | well icons are not the only thing ion gets rid off, look ma' no mouse. |
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| 09:33.08 | bomb | yeah ion is great if you want a very minimal window manager |
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| 09:33.45 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: try gksudo 'mount /dev/hdc /cddrom' |
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| 09:34.16 | AlexBO | AlexBO well...i managed to open applications that needs root privilegesis, but the cdrom doesn't mount automatically.if i write $ gksudo mount /dev/hdc /cdrom, it says me "Failed to run mount '/dev/hdc' '/cdrom': Child terminated with 32 status" |
| 09:34.37 | e1vis0l | hello all |
| 09:34.41 | AlexBO | valdyn_, you can see the error |
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| 09:35.03 | cld | womble: thanks :) |
| 09:35.05 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: yea, put your command in ', like gksudo 'mount ...' |
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| 09:35.44 | AlexBO | valdyn_, sorry i don't understand |
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| 09:36.21 | bomb | why are you mounting to "/cdrom" |
| 09:36.27 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: copy and paste : gksudo 'mount /dev/hdc /cdrom' |
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| 09:37.30 | AlexBO | valdyn_, okey, now works, but gnome can do it automaticall |
| 09:37.33 | AlexBO | valdyn_, okey, now works, but gnome can do it automatically |
| 09:37.34 | halux | hi all, someone knows where I could get libgtk >= 2.7.4 packages from ? |
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| 09:38.13 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: can do what automatically? |
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| 09:38.49 | AlexBO | valdyn_, before the disaster, if i inserted a cdrom it would mount it automatically |
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| 09:39.25 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: right, gnome-volume-manager can do that. |
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| 09:39.37 | takatumi | /dev/hda5 13331352 13318804 0 100% / ;-/ |
| 09:39.41 | AlexBO | valdyn_, i've alright set it |
| 09:40.03 | bomb | takatumi: !!! |
| 09:40.09 | bomb | time for a new hard disk eh? |
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| 09:40.38 | takatumi | bomb: I have a spare 8g partion, need to shift /usr and /var. |
| 09:40.48 | bomb | ah nice |
| 09:41.11 | bomb | i _had_ a spare partition but i decided to install sarge on it |
| 09:41.13 | takatumi | and /usr/local/ |
| 09:41.24 | bomb | so now i am "tri" booting stable, testing and unstable |
| 09:41.25 | peterS | ding dong, the services is dead |
| 09:41.44 | takatumi | peterS: the ding struck one... |
| 09:43.14 | AlexBO | valdyn_, maybe it's a problem with the mount command |
| 09:45.56 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: i dont know what your problem is. |
| 09:46.16 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: did you even set gnome-volume-manager to automatically mount removable media? |
| 09:48.10 | AlexBO | valdyn_, yep, i set it |
| 09:48.24 | pusling | hmm... what is the golden hint to run a xserver from a chroot - and the xserver on crtl-altl-f8 ? |
| 09:49.47 | Yoe | pusling: run X with an argument like 'tty8' |
| 09:50.01 | AlexBO | valdyn_, yeah!now it can mount it automatically! |
| 09:50.26 | AlexBO | valdyn_, it was as i said: problems with privilegis of /bin/mount and /bin/umount |
| 09:50.48 | Yoe | AlexBO: did you have the 'user' option on your CD-ROM line in /etc/fstab? |
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| 09:51.00 | pusling | Yoe: just 'startx tty8' or ? |
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| 09:51.11 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: not exactly, the user option in /etc/fstab defines the preveligies required to mount |
| 09:51.23 | Yoe | pusling: no, its an X argument; that means you need 'startx -- tty8' |
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| 09:51.42 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: also you cannot just alter the mountpoint, by default debians gnome-volume-manager will have to set things up to mount in /media/cdrom/ |
| 09:51.50 | AlexBO | Yoe, yes |
| 09:51.53 | pusling | Yoe: xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 8 (No such file or directory) |
| 09:52.06 | Yoe | pusling: does your chroot have a /dev/tty8? |
| 09:52.26 | pusling | Yoe: that might be something ;) |
| 09:52.27 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: so 'mount /media/cdrom' would work, but mount /dev/hdc /cdrom would require root still |
| 09:53.21 | AlexBO | valdyn_, yes, i see it.can i ask you another question? |
| 09:53.37 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: if you dont ask metaquestions ) |
| 09:54.34 | AlexBO | valdyn_, i would like to make a backup of all system partions (in the case of another disaster like this). how can i make= |
| 09:54.37 | AlexBO | valdyn_, i would like to make a backup of all system partions (in the case of another disaster like this). how can i make? |
| 09:54.58 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: how much data in GB is it? |
| 09:55.25 | AlexBO | valdyn_, let me see |
| 09:56.05 | AlexBO | valdyn_, can i put it in pv? |
| 09:56.18 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: no |
| 09:56.41 | AlexBO | valdyn_, no?why? |
| 09:56.43 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: type 'df -h' and add it up in your head, its not hard. |
| 09:57.26 | AlexBO | valdyn_, okey okey....but i have 14 partitions! |
| 09:57.43 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: that is going to be alot to backup i suppose |
| 09:58.03 | AlexBO | valdyn_, well... let me put it on pv, please |
| 09:58.10 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: ok.. |
| 09:58.45 | AlexBO | valdyn_, you can see that there aren't a lot of dates |
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| 09:59.15 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: i cant, didnt get a msg |
| 09:59.37 | AlexBO | valdyn_, didn't you get the message? |
| 10:00.01 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: i'm not getting msgs of unregistered nicks |
| 10:00.12 | bomb | AlexBO: you need to register and identify with nickserv before you can msg users |
| 10:00.20 | AlexBO | valdyn_, oh....well.... |
| 10:00.22 | bomb | unless the user opts to turn that off |
| 10:00.39 | AlexBO | bomb, how can i register myself? /NICKSRV register? |
| 10:00.53 | bomb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.53 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: well, however, if backing up to dvd or cdrom is an option for you, look at mondo, its nice |
| 10:00.57 | bomb | then follow the syntaxx |
| 10:01.35 | AlexBO | This is the home page of Mondo, the premier GPL'd disaster recovery suite for |
| 10:01.35 | AlexBO | Linux and Windows. |
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| 10:01.43 | AlexBO | this is for me! |
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| 10:01.55 | valdyn_ | !info mondo |
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| 10:02.00 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.04-6 (sid), Packaged size: 464 kB, Installed size: 1324 kB |
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| 10:05.03 | AlexBO | valdyn_, okey...do you know if there is a package for mondo? |
| 10:05.12 | AlexBO | valdyn_, i can't see it in synaptic |
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| 10:05.40 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: apt-get install mondo |
| 10:05.41 | bomb | AlexBO: learn how to use console and stop depending on GUIs |
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| 10:06.01 | AlexBO | bomb, i love console |
| 10:06.06 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: its in synaptic just the same, as long as you are on debian/i386 |
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| 10:06.24 | Md | ww/ver gokhan_33 |
| 10:06.38 | AlexBO | valdyn_, Package mondo is not available |
| 10:06.40 | cahoot | pusling: the only place I can find where the vt7 is defined for x is in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers - no idea if changing to vt8 there will affect the vt it uses via startx |
| 10:06.56 | AlexBO | valdyn_, repositories problems of course |
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| 10:06.58 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:07.12 | nornagon | Hey all. I want to use apt-proxy, but whenever I try to apt-proxy-import, I get errors like [import] libgtk2.0-bin_2.6.4-3_i386.deb skipped - no suitable backend found for every package... |
| 10:07.25 | AlexBO | valdyn_, 3.1 (Ubuntu 5.04) |
| 10:07.25 | nornagon | Apparently it's a known bug, but it hasn't been fixed in the latest version. |
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| 10:07.31 | bomb | oh my God |
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| 10:07.36 | nornagon | Can anyone recommend to me a similar program? |
| 10:07.42 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: that is not debian, try #ubuntu |
| 10:07.47 | nornagon | (It's a partial APT mirror.) |
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| 10:08.15 | AlexBO | valdyn_, i can't find it yet |
| 10:08.18 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: i bet its in ubuntu's multiverse, but uh, wrong channel |
| 10:08.19 | nornagon | I've seen apt-cacher, but it uses Apache and I don't run apache. |
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| 10:08.37 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: this is no ubuntu support channel |
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| 10:08.46 | cat | hey i have a bash prompt file called s but it's to long to put it on bashrc how can i load the file so it can load? |
| 10:09.06 | GenghisZ | anyone else having probs with the recent apt-get upgrade and apache2/postfix? |
| 10:09.06 | GenghisZ | Starting web server: Apache2/usr/sbin/apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
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| 10:09.16 | valdyn_ | cat: why would it be to long for bashrc ? |
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| 10:09.26 | AlexBO | valdyn_, there was one week ago |
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| 10:09.41 | AlexBO | valdyn_, there was #ubuntu, now i can't see it |
| 10:09.52 | bomb | AlexBO: you are going to have a hard time getting ubuntu help in here. |
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| 10:10.03 | valdyn_ | AlexBO: type '/join #ubuntu' in your irc channel |
| 10:10.08 | cat | valdyn_: is local GRAY="\[\033[1;30m\]" |
| 10:10.08 | cat | local LIGHT_GRAY="\[\033[0;37m\]" |
| 10:10.09 | cat | local CYAN="\[\033[0;36m\]" |
| 10:10.11 | cat | etc etc |
| 10:10.14 | Genghis_ | damn, got disconnected |
| 10:10.18 | valdyn_ | cat: so? |
| 10:10.26 | Genghis_ | anyone responded? |
| 10:10.29 | AlexBO | valdyn_, #ubuntu-unregged |
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| 10:10.36 | AlexBO | ahh! |
| 10:10.43 | AlexBO | okey: i need to register myself |
| 10:10.46 | nornagon | oho |
| 10:10.51 | nornagon | apt-got seems to be what I want :) |
| 10:11.03 | Napalmz | hi, i am looking to find a DEBIAN PACKAGES for a Automated-wiki system or Content Management, or something like PHPNuke(dont tell me to search packages on debian website i am not finding one) , if you know one just tell me please "aptitude install package_name" , that will be greatly appreciate |
| 10:11.03 | AlexBO | okey.however this channel is very good |
| 10:11.05 | cat | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
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| 10:11.32 | cat | so if i want to load a file i will do this PS1=source /home/$user/directory/theme? |
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| 10:11.42 | pusling | Yoe: copying /dev/tty8 helped that one - but my computer crashed when trying to start a second xserver. old shit |
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| 10:12.33 | valdyn_ | cat: do you know what $PS1 is? |
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| 10:12.55 | cat | yes i just want to changed it, |
| 10:13.04 | cat | i have a file called s on my directory |
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| 10:13.08 | cat | how can i used that? |
| 10:13.10 | valdyn_ | cat: so change it, it has nothing to do with loading a file |
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| 10:13.34 | valdyn_ | !vague |
| 10:13.34 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
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| 10:13.37 | cat | so if i want to load a file? |
| 10:13.54 | pusling | hmm... now I have a running chroot with kde as a user. how do I become root ? is 'ssh localhost sudo bash' the best way ` |
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| 10:14.19 | tino__ | hi everybody |
| 10:14.45 | tino__ | i want to turn off my x server (using ubuntu, based on debian), but i do not know how |
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| 10:14.47 | tino__ | ? |
| 10:14.54 | tino__ | i tried "init 3" |
| 10:15.00 | tino__ | and it doe not work |
| 10:15.01 | valdyn_ | tino__: wrong channel |
| 10:15.01 | vorlon | pusling: no, why would you ssh to localhost just to run sudo? |
| 10:15.03 | valdyn_ | !ubuntu |
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| 10:15.03 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
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| 10:15.42 | pusling | vorlon: because in my chroot I have 'su - user' and startx ... |
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| 10:15.58 | vorlon | pusling: you want to gain root inside the chroot, or outside it? |
| 10:16.03 | Alex_BO | tino__, temporary or definitely? |
| 10:16.11 | tino__ | temporary |
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| 10:16.14 | tino__ | only Alec |
| 10:16.15 | pusling | vorlon: inside the chroot |
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| 10:16.28 | pusling | vorlon: to install and test some packages |
| 10:16.38 | Alex_BO | tino__, CTRL+SHIFT+F1 and CTRL+SHIT+F7 to return to X |
| 10:16.43 | tino__ | i need to install my nvidia driver, and need no x server at the moement, in order to compile the driver |
| 10:16.55 | vorlon | pusling: then why can't you just run 'su' or 'sudo' inside the chroot? If you try to ssh to localhost, by default you'll get the ssh server that's running *outside* the chroot; |
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| 10:17.06 | valdyn_ | tino__: you should use ubuntus way to instal nvidia drivers, NOT nvidia.coms installer |
| 10:17.12 | vorlon | it's far simpler to just configure sudo inside the chroot. |
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| 10:17.21 | valdyn_ | tino__: so you should also /j #ubuntu and ask about details there |
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| 10:18.16 | tino__ | ok, thank u valydn |
| 10:18.23 | tino__ | i try the ubuntu chanell |
| 10:18.27 | tino__ | see u all |
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| 10:18.29 | tino__ | thanbks |
| 10:18.44 | pusling | vorlon: no root-account in chroot and no sudo ,) |
| 10:18.52 | pusling | vorlon: perhaps I should set sudo up ... |
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| 10:19.13 | vorlon | pusling: yes, that would be far better than ssh'ing to the outside just to get back into the chroot. :) |
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| 10:19.21 | tino__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:20.56 | pusling | vorlon: wee!! (/me have now built and installed his first debianpackage - anyone wants it ?) ;) |
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| 10:22.22 | vorlon | sorry, I have too many packages on my system already. ;) |
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| 10:23.56 | DrZoot | where would be the appropriate place to put a bunch of vars i want exported for all interactive shells on the system |
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| 10:25.13 | Flimzy | Dr_Fate, /etc/profile |
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| 10:27.44 | pabs3 | pusling: whats the package? |
| 10:27.49 | DrZoot | Flimzy: thats what i thought, maybe ive done something wrong cause the vars dont seem to be being exported properly |
| 10:27.57 | takatumi | 12:56:25 Irssi: Info: Connecting to irc.debian.org [216.165.191.52] port 6667 12:56:25 -!-| Irssi: Error: Unable to connect server irc.debian.org port 6667 (Connection refused) |
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| 10:28.19 | takatumi | or what should I file that bug? |
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| 10:29.23 | pusling | pabs3: kde style for unstable |
| 10:29.39 | takatumi | what has promoted active d-d participation in #debian? if it were policy, well done. |
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| 10:30.06 | bomb | man, what is with evolution 2.2 crashing on testing every time i add an account |
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| 10:30.16 | bomb | it doesn't do that on my other testing box |
| 10:30.18 | takatumi | bomb: mutt |
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| 10:30.23 | GenghisZ | anyone else having probs with the recent apt-get upgrade and apache2/postfix? |
| 10:30.25 | GenghisZ | Starting web server: Apache2/usr/sbin/apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
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| 10:30.31 | bomb | weird thing is, it saves everything i enter before actually crashing |
| 10:30.36 | takatumi | GenghisZ: checked bts? |
| 10:30.37 | asg | GenghisZ: check the bts first |
| 10:30.43 | vorlon | bomb: bug #310612? |
| 10:30.44 | GenghisZ | bts? |
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| 10:30.50 | asg | !bts |
| 10:30.50 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 10:31.15 | vorlon | bomb: sorry, bug #317283. |
| 10:31.15 | azeem | can somebody take out that bit about being shot? |
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| 10:31.34 | asg | azeem: no, it's there for a reason |
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| 10:31.45 | vorlon | GenghisZ: you're running grsec? |
| 10:31.49 | azeem | well, rephrase it then |
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| 10:32.18 | GenghisZ | vorlon: yes |
| 10:32.23 | asg | azeem: why, it's a common colloquialism in English |
| 10:32.29 | GenghisZ | chpax permission are set correct |
| 10:32.41 | jeffrin | how to do this with evolution "echo subscribe kernelnewbies | mail listar@nl.linux.org" |
| 10:32.59 | azeem | asg: I don't every non-native speaker will identify it as that instantly |
| 10:33.09 | dawg | !tell genghisz about broken ssl |
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| 10:33.52 | asg | azeem: #debian is an English only channel, channels for other languages exist. While we welcome all and sundry, we expect them to understand our idioms. |
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| 10:34.28 | cahoot | asg: that's presumptuous |
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| 10:34.42 | asg | cahoot: no it isn't |
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| 10:34.50 | azeem | asg: you can talk whatever you want, but please don't make the bot do it |
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| 10:35.23 | asg | azeem: I didn't write the factoid, I only displayed it for its useful information. If you don't like the language, you are welcome to change it or leave. |
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| 10:35.24 | vorlon | GenghisZ: I don't see how you would get such an error if the chpax permissions were set correctly |
| 10:35.27 | takatumi | azeem: it only mentions unstable users who should be shot at sight. ;P |
| 10:35.33 | vorlon | GenghisZ: are you sure the dist-upgrade didn't clear the attributes? |
| 10:35.39 | GenghisZ | yeah, me neither |
| 10:35.59 | GenghisZ | no, i'm sure, i have set the permission after the upgrade once more to be sure |
| 10:35.59 | miag | unstable is stable -_-+ |
| 10:36.13 | takatumi | miag: that's an oxymoron. |
| 10:36.26 | miag | ;-P |
| 10:36.26 | vorlon | GenghisZ: I have no further insights then, sorry. |
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| 10:36.50 | dawg | genghisz, did you read the factoid that dpkg should have messaged you? |
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| 10:37.05 | GenghisZ | i'm on it, but its so messy |
| 10:37.14 | GenghisZ | can't get head nor tail |
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| 10:38.12 | vorlon | dawg: the factoid isn't particularly useful, he's already described his system as being outside the scope of that bug. |
| 10:38.23 | Flimzy | DrZoot, How are you exporting them? And how are you starting the shells? |
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| 10:39.08 | GenghisZ | ow, how great |
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| 10:39.16 | GenghisZ | can't get connected trough ssh anymore |
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| 10:39.38 | dawg | vorlon, how so? |
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| 10:40.24 | vorlon | dawg: because he says he's configured grsec to allow executable stacks for libssl. |
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| 10:40.54 | bleeber | clear |
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| 10:41.34 | GenghisZ | no use to check anymore anyway, can't get in trough ssh, because of the same prob i spose |
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| 10:41.38 | GenghisZ | need a clean install |
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| 10:41.57 | BusMaster | why can I not apt-get install amule or xmule? |
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| 10:42.18 | bleeber | anyone have a script they would be willing to share that parses logfiles for ips coming from attacks and then adds that ip to iptables. I figure someone has to have written it since i want to. |
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| 10:42.50 | yuacht | how do i remove paused jobs? |
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| 10:43.02 | peterS | yuacht: you can kill them with 'kill %5' or whatever |
| 10:43.12 | cahoot | bleeber: ssh worm? |
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| 10:43.17 | peterS | yuacht: you can continue them in the background with 'bg %5', or in the foreground with 'fg %5' |
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| 10:43.34 | bleeber | yeah |
| 10:43.35 | yuacht | ok thx |
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| 10:44.16 | bleeber | hundreds - thousands of connections with a list of usernames |
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| 10:44.23 | cahoot | bleeber: look here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/87 |
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| 10:44.37 | fahdi | i need oper here how can i? |
| 10:44.52 | vorlon | you do not. |
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| 10:46.10 | peterS | fahdi: you only just arrived. what could you possibly need an op for? |
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| 10:46.32 | netman1 | First experiments with LDAP. Do I need to convert /etc/pam.d/* on both the slapd server and the client? |
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| 10:46.45 | bleeber | cahoot, thanks. looks like that python script is what I am looking for |
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| 10:46.57 | peterS | netman1: only if you want to be able to log in via ldap on both the slapd server and the client |
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| 10:47.10 | saloxin | bleeber: fail2ban |
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| 10:47.18 | bleeber | yeah |
| 10:47.24 | bleeber | thanks saloxin |
| 10:47.37 | netman1 | peterS: so on client ldap auth. required only, just the client? |
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| 10:47.52 | cahoot | bleeber: the simple 2 line addition to an iptables script works fine |
| 10:47.58 | peterS | netman1: please speak in complete sentences, I cannot tell what you are asking |
| 10:48.12 | netman1 | peterS: Sorry |
| 10:48.17 | BusMaster | is there a way to build debs from packages coming as tarballs ? |
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| 10:48.26 | Guerin | BusMaster: yes |
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| 10:48.29 | peterS | BusMaster: you can use 'alien' but you get crappy quality packages |
| 10:48.30 | BusMaster | Guerin, how? |
| 10:48.33 | bleeber | yeah, but I travel around alot and want to be able to access from anywhere, not just a specified ip |
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| 10:48.45 | Guerin | BusMaster: if the tarball has a debian/ dir, use it; otherwise you can use dh_make |
| 10:48.53 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 10:48.54 | peterS | BusMaster: a .deb is not just "another package format" - to get good quality you have to put manual effort into doing it correctly. a lot of it cannot be automated |
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| 10:48.57 | BusMaster | peterS, well, this is source code..I want to build it into a deb and install using dpkg |
| 10:48.58 | Guerin | BusMaster: read that^^ |
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| 10:49.26 | netman1 | peterS: If I just want to " LDAP logon" on the client, I do not need to convert the /etc/pam.d files on my slapd running server? |
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| 10:49.52 | peterS | netman1: the client doesn't care about /etc/pam.d on the openldap server. it only cares about /etc/pam.d on its local filesystem |
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| 10:50.09 | netman1 | peterS: Ok, clear. Thanks. |
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| 10:50.24 | peterS | netman1: in particular /etc/pam.d/common-* |
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| 10:50.52 | netman1 | peterS: Saw that already, interesting ... |
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| 10:52.06 | eXistenZ | I don't know why update-menus doesn't work |
| 10:52.14 | eXistenZ | what other option helps me to update my menu |
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| 10:53.32 | dimir | G'day! |
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| 10:54.07 | Maulkin | eXistenZ: What do you mean by "doesn't work"? What commands do you run, and what errors are produced? |
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| 10:54.13 | Maulkin | hi dimir |
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| 10:54.55 | hyperstream | how do i go about getting the cd iso images to install debian (unstable ones) or can i only get stable/testing images |
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| 10:55.50 | womble | hyperstream: The CD images will really only work for sarge/(maybe) etch. |
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| 10:56.17 | womble | hyperstream: You can (maybe) do an install of sid using debootstrap and crossing your fingers. |
| 10:56.19 | eXistenZ | Maulkin, I don't know. I cannot get my menu updated, but it looks as if it works. |
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| 10:57.00 | hyperstream | ill just get sarge |
| 10:57.04 | hyperstream | and do dist upgrade |
| 10:57.05 | takatumi | eXistenZ: apt-get install menu; update-menus? |
| 10:57.07 | Maulkin | IIRC, the testing cd image can be used to install unstable. |
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| 10:57.30 | Maulkin | eXistenZ: what exactly (step by step) are you doing? |
| 10:57.41 | Maulkin | eXistenZ: and what is displayed when you do them? |
| 10:57.45 | eXistenZ | well, it's installed. |
| 10:57.48 | eXistenZ | I simply log as root |
| 10:57.52 | eXistenZ | and run the command |
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| 10:58.03 | eXistenZ | I Installed python2.4, but it doesn't seem to appear in the programming section |
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| 11:00.33 | takatumi | the nicks are finally getting repetitive, a fairly wide array of choices though. |
| 11:01.14 | Maulkin | eXistenZ: Erm... python2.4 isn't a graphical application, so it won't appear in the menu system. |
| 11:01.30 | eXistenZ | what about IDLE? |
| 11:01.40 | bomb | Maulkin: python showed up in my fluxbox programming menu after i installed it |
| 11:01.41 | eXistenZ | python2.3 appears tho |
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| 11:02.41 | Maulkin | Oh, fair enough. Coudn't see anything in the .deb :) |
| 11:02.43 | theD3viL | How can i play 2 sounds at each time?? |
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| 11:02.55 | Maulkin | eXistenZ: Ok... What command are you running? |
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| 11:03.16 | Maulkin | theD3viL: Have a look at alsa or oss. |
| 11:03.20 | eXistenZ | update-menus |
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| 11:03.49 | theD3viL | Maulkin, i tried everythink :| |
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| 11:03.59 | theD3viL | Maulkin, i tried alsaconf |
| 11:04.13 | Maulkin | eXistenZ: can you try it with "-v" please? |
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| 11:04.24 | Maulkin | theD3viL: Can you play one sound? |
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| 11:04.49 | theD3viL | Maulkin, yes... and when i tried two it freezes |
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| 11:05.01 | Maulkin | theD3viL: What freezes? Which application? |
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| 11:05.26 | Maulkin | (or applications) |
| 11:05.30 | theD3viL | Maulkin, application with sound 2. |
| 11:05.34 | theD3viL | Maulkin, brb |
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| 11:10.09 | DrZoot | i put some vars that i want in my shells in /etc/profile but this doesnt seem to affect the root path var, any ideas? |
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| 11:10.19 | takatumi | what |
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| 11:10.40 | midg3t | perhaps you're interested in pivot_root |
| 11:10.48 | valdyn_ | DrZoot: those things are explained extensively in the faq ( DotFiles ) |
| 11:10.52 | takatumi | what's a nifty line to get the size of all the dirs from /? |
| 11:10.59 | Yoe | du -sh /* |
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| 11:11.05 | Yoe | will take a while, though |
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| 11:11.18 | Maulkin | May take some time though :) |
| 11:11.32 | Maulkin | heh, like Yoe said. |
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| 11:11.57 | markos_ | takatumi: du -sch / will do, you don't need the * and -c will display the total |
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| 11:12.16 | takatumi | cheers. |
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| 11:13.02 | markos_ | DrZoot: if you're refering to changing the $PATH of the root user, that's not such a good idea |
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| 11:14.54 | Maulkin | eXistenZ: Any luck with running "update-menus -v" ? |
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| 11:16.39 | theD3viL | Maulkin, back.. |
| 11:16.45 | Maulkin | theD3viL: k |
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| 11:16.54 | theD3viL | Maulkin, how did you configure your sound card ? |
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| 11:17.09 | Maulkin | theD3viL: I didn't, it just worked (tm) |
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| 11:17.25 | Maulkin | theD3viL: What's the name of the applications? |
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| 11:17.48 | yac | in which package i can find xv ? |
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| 11:18.48 | theD3viL | Maulkin, BMP, totem... |
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| 11:19.21 | Maulkin | yac: it's non-free |
| 11:19.29 | Maulkin | yac: You can get it from http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/xv_3.10a-20_i386.deb |
| 11:19.30 | t3ch9 | what command should i use to set my screen resolution |
| 11:19.39 | t3ch9 | what command should i use to set my screen resolution |
| 11:19.46 | drac | !drxx t3ch9 |
| 11:19.47 | dpkg | t3ch9: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 11:20.01 | t3ch9 | that one doesn't work |
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| 11:20.09 | bomb | works for me |
| 11:20.12 | vbo | Hi. I'm trying to build taglib 1.4. How can I make, say, libtag1c2 provide libtag1? |
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| 11:20.18 | drac | works for everyone capable of using it. |
| 11:20.19 | Maulkin | theD3viL: Ok... open one application, then start playing. |
| 11:20.22 | vorlon | vbo: don't. |
| 11:20.25 | bleeber | just edit your XF86Config file |
| 11:20.28 | vbo | vorlon: i have to. |
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| 11:20.42 | Maulkin | theD3viL: Then open a second in a terminal. Try playing and see what errors are produced. |
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| 11:20.51 | vorlon | vbo: you have to build broken packages that lie about their ABI? |
| 11:20.51 | bomb | t3ch9: open /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 with an editor and check the very end of the file to see if the resolutions you selected are even there |
| 11:21.02 | bomb | t3ch9: do NOT edit that file while you are in there |
| 11:21.04 | vbo | vorlon: *points to the official repo*; i wanna keep things closer to that |
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| 11:21.36 | t3ch9 | ok |
| 11:21.38 | t3ch9 | for a while |
| 11:21.45 | bomb | bleeber: editing XF86Config-4 is a bad idea. |
| 11:21.59 | vorlon | vbo: then you shouldn't be asking how to add package provides that aren't present in the archive version? |
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| 11:22.13 | bleeber | bomb, no it is not. If you know what you are doing |
| 11:22.14 | yac | Maulkin: thanks |
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| 11:22.27 | bomb | bleeber: ok, whatever you say. |
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| 11:22.34 | vbo | vorlon: mmmkay |
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| 11:22.39 | BusMaster | i am using an nForce graphics chipset..I followed dpkg's instructions and apt-get 'ed all the stuff..I got X working, but when I try to start Blender3d, its says Xlib: and some error about glx not being present. In my XF86Config, I can see that the glx module is being loaded. Could my problem be because I selected 'nv' instead of 'nvidia' in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 11:22.51 | bleeber | bomb, I'm not trying to be an ass but thats how I configure all my boxes |
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| 11:23.04 | theD3viL | Maulkin, nothing just freezes |
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| 11:23.19 | asg | BusMaster: could be, could be |
| 11:23.22 | Maulkin | theD3viL: What freezes? the second, or the first? |
| 11:23.28 | midg3t | BusMaster: i found it easier to run nvidia's installer than mess with debian packages |
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| 11:23.42 | asg | midg3t: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 11:23.44 | t3ch9 | all that i can see is 800x600 |
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| 11:23.45 | theD3viL | Maulkin, second |
| 11:23.48 | Guerin | midg3t: then you clearly didn't see nvidia one liner |
| 11:23.50 | markos_ | bomb: XF86Config-4 is quite easy to play with, sure there are tools that autoconfigure it, but it's not that hard to wrte it your own |
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| 11:23.58 | Guerin | which maakes it as easy as hitting enter a few times |
| 11:24.18 | t3ch9 | what should i do |
| 11:24.22 | Maulkin | theD3viL: Could you try another application? |
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| 11:24.35 | Guerin | !drxx t3ch9 |
| 11:24.35 | dpkg | t3ch9: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 11:24.53 | theD3viL | Maulkin, Yes... the same |
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| 11:25.10 | midg3t | i still think "sh NVIDIA*" then hitting enter a few times is easier *shrug* |
| 11:25.19 | bomb | markos_: i was told to let debconf explicitly handle that file, if you edit it by hand it no longer will |
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| 11:25.22 | Guerin | midg3t: but it never is that simple |
| 11:25.28 | Guerin | particularly when you have to upgrade |
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| 11:25.37 | midg3t | i haven't had any trouble with it |
| 11:25.39 | t3ch9 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesnt work |
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| 11:25.52 | bomb | i'm not saying editing it is impossible |
| 11:25.55 | midg3t | except the time the kernel package had a recursive symlink |
| 11:25.55 | Guerin | you've been lucky, then, judging by some of the hassles we get in here with it |
| 11:26.03 | midg3t | righto |
| 11:26.03 | asg | bomb: if that happens, /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 11:26.03 | Guerin | !tell t3ch9 about x md5 |
| 11:26.08 | Guerin | asg: we in choon |
| 11:26.09 | bomb | t3ch9: what do you mean "doesn't work" |
| 11:26.10 | midg3t | well i'd already written a working config which could have helped |
| 11:26.16 | bleeber | bomb, how often do you really need to edit it though.. Once it works you can leave it alone. So who cares what app manages it |
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| 11:26.21 | asg | Guerin: :) |
| 11:26.25 | markos_ | t3ch9: you could indeed use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but, you have to use medium/advanced monitor setup, NO autodetection and select manually the resolutions you want |
| 11:26.28 | t3ch9 | wait |
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| 11:26.45 | Maulkin | theD3viL: Hmm... not sure to be honest. I'd suggest mailing debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:26.46 | t3ch9 | if i command dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 11:26.48 | bomb | bleeber: when you start messing with xorg/transparency you need to add an entire section, and a few options under your video card |
| 11:26.52 | t3ch9 | then config it |
| 11:26.54 | bomb | that, you must do by hand |
| 11:26.58 | t3ch9 | then after that |
| 11:26.59 | markos_ | t3ch9: you're using nvidia right? i've had problems with cheap nvidia cards and monitor/resolution autodetection |
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| 11:27.07 | theD3viL | Maulkin, first i will try mr. google |
| 11:27.07 | t3ch9 | settings doesnt work |
| 11:27.12 | asg | t3ch9: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 11:27.16 | Maulkin | theD3viL: Good plan :) |
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| 11:27.40 | bleeber | t3ch9: are you restarting x each time you edit the file? |
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| 11:27.57 | BusMaster | basically, my X sometimes freezes when i use nvidia driver when dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... it won;t even take keyboard input :( |
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| 11:28.06 | markos_ | bomb: i'm not sure i know what you mean, if i edit the file myself and then dpkg-reconfigure it, the file gets overwritten, it doesn't edit the file itself, but writes a new one based on the debconf values in the database |
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| 11:28.43 | BusMaster | using 'nv' makes X stable, but blender doesn;t work :( |
| 11:28.44 | Maulkin | BusMaster: Is there anything in the log? |
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| 11:28.59 | t3ch9 | restart X ? |
| 11:29.06 | t3ch9 | that one doesnt work |
| 11:29.06 | Guerin | t3ch9: omfg YES |
| 11:29.10 | BusMaster | Maulkin, nope...it freezes completely, and there is nothing in my .xsession-erros file |
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| 11:29.13 | markos_ | bomb: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat, search xserver-xfree86 |
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| 11:29.22 | markos_ | Guerin: behave |
| 11:29.28 | Guerin | markos_: i am |
| 11:29.30 | Maulkin | BusMaster: how about /var/log/X(something) ? |
| 11:29.39 | markos_ | Guerin: let's just try to help the guy |
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| 11:29.47 | BusMaster | Maulkin, tail'ed that.. nothing |
| 11:29.53 | Maulkin | (sorry, can't remember the exact log file) |
| 11:29.56 | Guerin | markos_: i am |
| 11:29.59 | manuelmagic | hi |
| 11:30.21 | t3ch9 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesnt work |
| 11:30.26 | t3ch9 | any other option |
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| 11:30.29 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 11:30.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 11:30.30 | markos_ | t3ch9: ok, let's start from the beginning |
| 11:30.35 | t3ch9 | ok |
| 11:30.35 | manuelmagic | Can someone tell me the official repository for debian testing? |
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| 11:30.49 | asg | manuelmagic: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 11:30.53 | markos_ | t3ch9: which gfx card you have? |
| 11:30.56 | bleeber | t3ch9, are you restarting X each time you edit the file. |
| 11:31.04 | t3ch9 | mx4000 |
| 11:31.05 | manuelmagic | or a link where I can found it? |
| 11:31.10 | asg | manuelmagic: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 11:31.12 | t3ch9 | 64MB DDR |
| 11:31.15 | t3ch9 | 34bit |
| 11:31.21 | t3ch9 | 8x agp |
| 11:31.22 | Guerin | manuelmagic: ftp.XX.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 11:31.25 | Maulkin | BusMaster: hmm... ok. Could you pastebin your X config? |
| 11:31.25 | markos_ | t3ch9: don't know this one, do you know which driver it's supposed to use? |
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| 11:31.35 | manuelmagic | thank you |
| 11:31.36 | Guerin | manuelmagic: where XX is your country code; use us if unsure |
| 11:31.37 | markos_ | t3ch9: is it nvidia chipset based? |
| 11:31.43 | t3ch9 | that's the specification of my card |
| 11:31.51 | bleeber | t3ch9, are you restarting X each time you edit the file. |
| 11:31.54 | t3ch9 | inno3d |
| 11:31.56 | Maulkin | BusMaster: Also, can you use the 'nv' driver? |
| 11:32.07 | t3ch9 | nv doesn't work |
| 11:32.09 | BusMaster | Maulkin, i _am_ using the nv driver... |
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| 11:32.13 | GenghisZ | ok, i got back into the server |
| 11:32.14 | Maulkin | BusMaster: and have you got the nvidia kernel module installed? |
| 11:32.18 | GenghisZ | anyone else an idea? |
| 11:32.18 | BusMaster | Maulkin, it works very nicely.. |
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| 11:32.18 | manuelmagic | there is also a repository for security update for testing? |
| 11:32.20 | markos_ | t3ch9: can you do a lspci and paste me the output? |
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| 11:32.21 | t3ch9 | yah |
| 11:32.26 | GenghisZ | on that openssl problem |
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| 11:32.34 | GenghisZ | Starting web server: Apache2/usr/sbin/apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
| 11:32.46 | asg | GenghisZ: /msg dpkg broken ssl |
| 11:32.47 | Maulkin | BusMaster: erm... so the problem is that you can't use the 'nvidia' module? |
| 11:32.49 | asg | !kick yac |
| 11:32.53 | t3ch9 | what should i do |
| 11:32.54 | Guerin | manuelmagic: only stable gets official security support; there's semi-official testing security support in |
| 11:32.55 | BusMaster | Maulkin, and lsmod shows nvidia nad nvidia_agp |
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| 11:32.59 | Maulkin | BusMaster: Getting a bit confused here. |
| 11:33.03 | Guerin | !testing security |
| 11:33.03 | dpkg | testing (currently Etch) doesn't get security updates, which is why http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404s. See <testing security issues>. |
| 11:33.05 | t3ch9 | nvidia is hard to install |
| 11:33.08 | BusMaster | Maulkin, why? |
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| 11:33.10 | Guerin | eh |
| 11:33.11 | markos_ | t3ch9: just write 'lspci' |
| 11:33.11 | yac | asg: i /msg him, but no answer... |
| 11:33.19 | markos_ | t3ch9: and paste me the output |
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| 11:33.21 | BusMaster | Maulkin, basically, what is the differnece between nv and nvidia ? |
| 11:33.23 | t3ch9 | damn, this is my 1st time to use GUI and makes me desperate |
| 11:33.24 | miag | t3ch9: not true. wfm |
| 11:33.25 | yac | !pal asg |
| 11:33.26 | GenghisZ | asg: yeah got that allready, but it aint helping |
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| 11:33.32 | asg | yac: are you messaging him with a real factoid? try /msg dpkg help |
| 11:33.42 | asg | GenghisZ: does it happen when you aren't using a grsec kernel? |
| 11:33.44 | t3ch9 | im using AGP |
| 11:33.49 | markos_ | BusMaster: nv is free, nvidia is non-free (binary only) |
| 11:33.50 | Guerin | manuelmagic: ok, seems there still isn't testing security support, even unofficially |
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| 11:33.53 | GenghisZ | dunno asg |
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| 11:33.57 | Maulkin | BusMaster: nv is the free version, nvidia is the non free version. |
| 11:33.58 | GenghisZ | i am using grsec |
| 11:33.58 | BusMaster | markos_, oh |
| 11:34.00 | GyrosGeier | hi |
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| 11:34.05 | BusMaster | Maulkin, oh |
| 11:34.05 | asg | GenghisZ: well, boot a debian kernel image and try |
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| 11:34.16 | BusMaster | Maulkin, but dont both use the nvidia module ? |
| 11:34.17 | GyrosGeier | does anyone know of a CD label generator that can handle Japanese? |
| 11:34.23 | Maulkin | BusMaster: nope :) |
| 11:34.33 | GenghisZ | k, so there is no other solution? |
| 11:34.37 | miag | "NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run " is cool |
| 11:34.37 | markos_ | GyrosGeier: anyone that is unicode friendly should work :/ |
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| 11:34.39 | BusMaster | Maulkin, is strange, but initially nv did not work at all...then i did all that dpkg told me and nv started working. |
| 11:34.44 | Maulkin | BusMaster: I'd check you installed it properly. '/msg dpkg nvidia' |
| 11:34.49 | yac | asg: yep, no answer. It's probably someone esle registred my nick so I'd be on debian-overflow now... I try to think new nick;) |
| 11:34.54 | asg | GenghisZ: well, you can try removing all the PAX options from all binaries and libraries until it does work. |
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| 11:35.02 | markos_ | t3ch9: so did you run lspci? |
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| 11:35.18 | GyrosGeier | markos_, well, PostScript does not like Japanese by default... :-/ |
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| 11:35.22 | GenghisZ | asg: tried that allready |
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| 11:35.24 | BusMaster | Maulkin, well, my problem will be solved (or sidetracked) if I can somehow get the glx thing to work.. |
| 11:35.31 | markos_ | GyrosGeier: but pdf does :-) |
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| 11:35.41 | asg | GenghisZ: what debian version? |
| 11:35.42 | BusMaster | Maulkin, can i do it with nv module too ? |
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| 11:35.56 | GenghisZ | unstable/latest |
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| 11:36.12 | vorlon | asg: why would *removing* PAX options fix it? I thought you had to *set* a PAX option to allow executable stack |
| 11:36.23 | Guerin | dpkg, no, testing security is <reply> testing (currently Etch) doesn't officially get security updates, but eventually there might be some in http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz (currently empty). See <testing security issues>. |
| 11:36.23 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 11:36.30 | GenghisZ | yeah, in fact its disabling it ;) |
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| 11:36.47 | Maulkin | BusMaster: I'm not sure to be honest, I've never used nv properly. |
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| 11:37.11 | markos_ | Maulkin: nv does not offer any 3d acceleration |
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| 11:37.16 | ivan_ | I had some problems installing x-window-system apt was saying that I had an old version of e2fslibs and that it had to be removed. So I removed it with apt and other packages got remove as well... so now I cant use the mouse. I cant access anything in /dev/input/... Some core package is missing but I dont know which once |
| 11:37.23 | GenghisZ | anyway, dinner, hope i'm in more luck when i get back |
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| 11:37.28 | asg | vorlon: iirc, the lowercase options (-p) are used |
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| 11:37.36 | Maulkin | markos_: ta |
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| 11:37.49 | Maulkin | BusMaster: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 11:38.01 | azeem | Guerin: http://spohr.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html might be helpful or not in that factoid |
| 11:38.01 | Maulkin | BusMaster: ie: did you follow http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html ? |
| 11:38.15 | BusMaster | Maulkin, i followed the instructions i got with /msg/dpkg nvidia-onliner |
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| 11:38.37 | BusMaster | Maulkin, and yeah...I got x working with i selected nvidia...only that it is prone to freezing at times |
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| 11:38.54 | Guerin | azeem: ah, nice. Was looking for that, too. |
| 11:38.54 | markos_ | BusMaster: did it involve using module-assistant? |
| 11:38.55 | BusMaster | Maulkin, and this machine is 'for Grandma' .. don;t want it to freeze :) |
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| 11:39.00 | Maulkin | BusMaster: Ahh, a sporadic fault, the hardest to debug :) |
| 11:39.02 | BusMaster | markos_, yes |
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| 11:39.03 | pabs3 | BusMaster: installing xlibmesa-gl, libglu1-xorg, xlibmesa-dri, xlibosmesa4 gave slow opengl, not accelerated tho |
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| 11:39.11 | markos_ | BusMaster: ok |
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| 11:39.44 | pabs3 | libglu1-xorg is different on sarge tho I think |
| 11:39.47 | BusMaster | pabs3, oh |
| 11:40.01 | ivan_ | does anyone of you know? |
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| 11:40.06 | pabs3 | NVidia Inc-- |
| 11:40.12 | pabs3 | hey Maulkin |
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| 11:40.51 | Guerin | ivan_: which packages were removed? |
| 11:41.09 | BusMaster | would i be correct if i state that "I am using the nvidia drivers if and only if I see the nvidia logo at X startup" (which i am currently not seeing) |
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| 11:41.25 | vorlon | BusMaster: that sounds correct to me. |
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| 11:41.33 | ivan_ | Guerin: I am not sure amongst other where the console-* removed but I have allready reinstalled that |
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| 11:41.47 | markos_ | BusMaster: yes |
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| 11:42.13 | cahoot | unless you disabled the logo (used to be an option) |
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| 11:42.34 | markos_ | BusMaster: what's the Driver line in the "Device" in the XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 11:43.14 | markos_ | cahoot: i don't recall it, but it's been a while since i set it up |
| 11:43.15 | BusMaster | markos_, nv |
| 11:43.25 | markos_ | BusMaster: then you're not using the nvidia driver :-) |
| 11:43.27 | BusMaster | markos_, Section "Device" |
| 11:43.27 | BusMaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.27 | BusMaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.27 | BusMaster | EndSection |
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| 11:43.37 | markos_ | BusMaster: it should be nvidia :-) |
| 11:43.39 | BusMaster | sorry |
| 11:43.42 | markos_ | np |
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| 11:44.04 | BusMaster | markos_, will it be okay if I don;t go the entire dpkg-reconfigire way, but simply replace nv with nvidia ? |
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| 11:44.18 | markos_ | you could just edit the file |
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| 11:44.23 | BusMaster | markos_, right-o.. |
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| 11:44.36 | markos_ | you don't need to go through dpkg-reconfigure for just 4 letters :-) |
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| 11:44.46 | vorlon | BusMaster: once you've edited XF86Config-4 once, you can never dpkg-reconfigure it again; ask dpkg about xmd5 |
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| 11:44.58 | BusMaster | markos_, and I am in init 5, so how do i restart the X server to see if it properly accepting the new file ? |
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| 11:45.31 | Yevgeniy | you should backup the configuration file too, imho |
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| 11:46.00 | pabs3 | BusMaster: ctrl+alt+backspace restarts X unless you turned that off |
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| 11:46.15 | BusMaster | vorlon, i don't really care about losing my changes...i am not planning to do dpkg-reconfigure everyday |
| 11:46.22 | BusMaster | pabs3, okay... |
| 11:46.35 | t3ch9 | my god |
| 11:46.41 | markos_ | vorlon: is this certain? my understanding is that dpkg-reconfigure just overwrites the existing one with the defaults in the debconf database |
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| 11:46.52 | markos_ | vorlon: ah, you mean it checks the md5s before that |
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| 11:46.53 | t3ch9 | i dont know |
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| 11:47.10 | t3ch9 | so idiot in this kind of stuff |
| 11:47.15 | markos_ | t3ch9: so, what's the output of lspci? |
| 11:47.16 | t3ch9 | im so idiot in this kind of stuff |
| 11:47.30 | markos_ | t3ch9: relax, none of us were born with such crap in our heads |
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| 11:47.44 | t3ch9 | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x] (rev c1) |
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| 11:48.06 | markos_ | t3ch9: computers are idiots, you should not feel bad because the computer doesn't know what you ask it |
| 11:48.19 | markos_ | t3ch9: ok, so you need the 'nv' driver |
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| 11:48.45 | vorlon | markos_: yes, so once you've touched the file, dpkg-reconfigure no longer has any effect |
| 11:48.46 | markos_ | t3ch9: do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and we'll go through each step one at a time |
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| 11:48.58 | markos_ | vorlon: unless you manually update the md5sum that is |
| 11:48.59 | t3ch9 | all i need is to set my resolution into 1028x1024 |
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| 11:49.12 | vorlon | markos_: t3ch9 already spent several hours getting the nvidia packages installed, btw |
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| 11:49.18 | t3ch9 | that's all i need |
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| 11:49.35 | nakeee | is there a FAQ somewhere on how I get openoffice.org2 install on sarge? |
| 11:49.38 | t3ch9 | i have no problem installing apache, dns, mail, etc |
| 11:49.54 | t3ch9 | but this thing makes me an idiot |
| 11:50.01 | bomb | that literally took less than 3 minutes to download, install and boot a new kernel |
| 11:50.04 | markos_ | t3ch9: ok, let's try this first, edit the file XF86Config-4 by hand |
| 11:50.05 | miag | t3ch9: do you know your monitor spec? if not check it through google. |
| 11:50.17 | asg | t3ch9: if you look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, what is the 'Modes' line for the DefaultDepth you are running? |
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| 11:50.22 | t3ch9 | i only have a generic monitor |
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| 11:50.28 | t3ch9 | made in china i think |
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| 11:50.35 | Guerin | t3ch9: how big? |
| 11:50.50 | cmdKeen | nakeee: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/350951 ? |
| 11:50.51 | markos_ | t3ch9: doesn't matter, the nvidia chipsets have crappy resolution autodetection, happens to me all the time |
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| 11:50.54 | miag | t3ch9: type the model name on google. |
| 11:50.59 | SimonRaven | t3ch9, markos_: indeed none of us were born with this stff in our heads... thanks goodness ;). and yeh, the computer is the really dumb one in this equation |
| 11:50.59 | t3ch9 | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x] (rev c1) |
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| 11:51.11 | t3ch9 | Depth 1 |
| 11:51.11 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.12 | Guerin | t3ch9: so we saw earlier |
| 11:51.15 | markos_ | i even got a 21" display with max 800x600 |
| 11:51.21 | t3ch9 | 17" |
| 11:51.34 | markos_ | t3ch9: ok, so change that to: |
| 11:51.35 | Guerin | ok, so you should be able to do 1280 at a minimum |
| 11:51.41 | t3ch9 | it's boka |
| 11:51.42 | asg | t3ch9: erm, the DefaultDepth should be at least 16 (always a good choice to start with) |
| 11:51.47 | t3ch9 | name of my monitor |
| 11:51.48 | markos_ | Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
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| 11:52.29 | SimonRaven | asg: g'morning there |
| 11:52.29 | t3ch9 | but i got no problem in fedora |
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| 11:52.37 | BusMaster | Hmm...X is working...and I got the nvidia logo at boot up...but it seems I should now manually edit XF86Config and remove Load dri and Load GLcore...i wonder why |
| 11:52.38 | asg | SimonRaven: morning, how are things today? |
| 11:52.39 | markos_ | asg: that was just the Depth field, he listed the modes in there |
| 11:52.42 | t3ch9 | i can set it into 1028x1024 |
| 11:52.46 | SimonRaven | asg: busy and hungry |
| 11:52.52 | markos_ | t3ch9: 1280x1024 |
| 11:53.00 | t3ch9 | yah |
| 11:53.01 | t3ch9 | =) |
| 11:53.03 | t3ch9 | sorry |
| 11:53.05 | bomb | 1028x1024? |
| 11:53.06 | markos_ | t3ch9: basically add the max resolution as first before the others |
| 11:53.08 | asg | markos_: right but he needs to correct the Modes line for the section that his DefaultDepth is configured for. |
| 11:53.10 | bomb | you have a square monitor? |
| 11:53.17 | SimonRaven | 1028x1024 isn't a valid res |
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| 11:53.19 | t3ch9 | i need that kind of resolution |
| 11:53.21 | markos_ | asg: exactly |
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| 11:53.31 | t3ch9 | but it works in fedora |
| 11:53.40 | t3ch9 | but i like to shift in debian |
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| 11:53.41 | SimonRaven | probably 1280 |
| 11:53.46 | Guerin | t3ch9: 1280x1024 works |
| 11:53.51 | t3ch9 | ok |
| 11:53.55 | t3ch9 | maybe like |
| 11:53.56 | SimonRaven | (i.e., typo) |
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| 11:54.08 | SimonRaven | asg: need COFFEE too =) |
| 11:54.09 | t3ch9 | important is a maximize resolution |
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| 11:54.15 | markos_ | t3ch9: doesn't matter, once you get over this, you'll enjoy debian :-) |
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| 11:54.23 | asg | SimonRaven: I'm already several cups and a beer ahead of you ;) |
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| 11:54.31 | t3ch9 | damn, this video stuff sucks |
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| 11:54.34 | t3ch9 | =( |
| 11:54.36 | markos_ | t3ch9: so, you could just have the following line: |
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| 11:54.46 | markos_ | Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 11:55.01 | markos_ | for the respective Depth that is the same as DefaultDepth |
| 11:55.08 | t3ch9 | i'll edit my etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 11:55.10 | Guerin | t3ch9: you need to spend less time fretting and more time fixing it |
| 11:55.11 | cmdKeen | t3ch9: heh, yep, it does, but Debian is worthy of it;) |
| 11:55.11 | t3ch9 | i'll edit my etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
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| 11:55.25 | t3ch9 | i'll edit my etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 11:55.28 | asg | t3ch9: yes |
| 11:55.29 | Guerin | yes |
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| 11:55.31 | t3ch9 | ok |
| 11:55.32 | Guerin | do eeeet! |
| 11:55.40 | t3ch9 | for a while GURUS =) |
| 11:55.42 | Guerin | and then if it works, reset the md5 |
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| 11:55.57 | t3ch9 | all of them? |
| 11:55.58 | SimonRaven | asg: yes, i did just get up ;) |
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| 11:56.45 | SimonRaven | GURU? as in that mock os 8-9 util? |
| 11:56.47 | asg | SimonRaven: you're back on regular hours then? This used to be the time you were going to bed. |
| 11:57.01 | SimonRaven | yeh, more or less - on both |
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| 11:57.10 | Guerin | SimonRaven: no, as in the thing which meditates... |
| 11:57.12 | SimonRaven | semi-diurnal is the best for me |
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| 11:57.25 | SimonRaven | Guerin: hmm |
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| 11:58.19 | SimonRaven | i think wormwood season is here. woke up with a stuffy nose |
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| 11:58.36 | t3ch9 | ok |
| 11:58.41 | asg | SimonRaven: the fall allergies are coming on strong. |
| 11:58.41 | t3ch9 | what's next |
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| 11:58.53 | t3ch9 | guys |
| 11:58.54 | t3ch9 | what's next |
| 11:58.56 | groulder | guys, i'm trying to do a reinstall of dovecot using: apt-get install --reinstall dovecot |
| 11:59.00 | SimonRaven | so, did you do the edits? |
| 11:59.01 | asg | t3ch9: did you replace the 'Modes' lines as we instructed above? |
| 11:59.05 | t3ch9 | i already edit it |
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| 11:59.08 | groulder | and i get this: Reinstallation of dovecot is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 11:59.09 | t3ch9 | yup |
| 11:59.10 | SimonRaven | saved? |
| 11:59.12 | t3ch9 | all of them |
| 11:59.13 | t3ch9 | yup |
| 11:59.14 | t3ch9 | save |
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| 11:59.19 | t3ch9 | saved |
| 11:59.23 | t3ch9 | done |
| 11:59.23 | SimonRaven | exit the editor, then startx& |
| 11:59.27 | t3ch9 | what's next guys? |
| 11:59.38 | markos_ | t3ch9: just restart X |
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| 11:59.44 | SimonRaven | oh, not as root though |
| 11:59.47 | markos_ | with startx or /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 11:59.49 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 11:59.54 | t3ch9 | restart X doesn't work |
| 12:00.03 | pabs3 | groulder: try dovecot-imapd or dovecot-pop3d |
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| 12:00.38 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 12:00.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 12:00.48 | Guerin | t3ch9: what do your x logs say? |
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| 12:00.57 | t3ch9 | MY GOD! |
| 12:01.03 | t3ch9 | it works |
| 12:01.07 | Guerin | t3ch9: really? That's an unusual log message. |
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| 12:01.13 | t3ch9 | "1024x768" |
| 12:01.15 | markos_ | t3ch9: see? it's not that hard inthe end :-) |
| 12:01.21 | ick | !kde34 |
| 12:01.24 | t3ch9 | but i need is Modes "1280x1024" |
| 12:01.28 | groulder | thanks pabs3 ;) |
| 12:01.28 | ick | !kde3.4 |
| 12:01.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde3.4 is being uploaded to sid, see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 for details. not supported on any Debian channels yet, *particularly* not #debian. if you still want to ask about it, ask #debian-kde |
| 12:01.43 | markos_ | t3ch9: just do the same as before for this resolution |
| 12:01.45 | Guerin | t3ch9: one thing at a time; does 1024 work? |
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| 12:02.23 | SimonRaven | they're still doing S&R via chopper, and the busses are: 0149 PDT Pelican JOCC reports 150 busses have arrived at the airport for use in the morning, and 07:36 EST Houston, 4-5 busses of evacuees coming from Intl Airport to the appropriate processing area. |
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| 12:02.36 | markos_ | t3ch9: ah wait now it's the monitor definition, probably not allwoed to display higher than 1024x768 |
| 12:02.36 | BusMaster | markos_, hey, i got nvidia to work...no freeze so far..but the readme.debian for nvidia-glx says that I must remove Load "dri" and Load "GLcore" from my XF86Config..if I # Load dri, I get a randomly placed horizontal line across my screen..it goes away if i un# it. why is it important to # Load "dri" and Load "GLcore" ? |
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| 12:02.58 | t3ch9 | is there any other option to put Modes "1280x1024" |
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| 12:03.10 | markos_ | BusMaster: iirc, it's because nvidia take control of the card's dri itself |
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| 12:03.20 | pabs3 | nvidia inc-- |
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| 12:03.34 | markos_ | t3ch9: yes, i think now you have to change the monitor specs to allow higher resolutions |
| 12:03.36 | BusMaster | markos_, and will bad things happen if i do _not_ # out the Load dri line? |
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| 12:04.11 | markos_ | BusMaster: i can't say, when i did it i followed the instructions :-) |
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| 12:04.16 | BusMaster | markos_, 'coz now everything seems to be working fine...even blender loads up in a snap |
| 12:04.19 | groulder | where are archived packages kept? |
| 12:04.29 | cmdKeen | !coz |
| 12:04.29 | dpkg | somebody said coz was NOT a word; it's spelled 'because'; learn to type. |
| 12:04.30 | nakeee | if I have testing or stable repo and I add experimental would it use it as the lowest priority? |
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| 12:04.42 | redguy | groulder: /var/apt/cahce ? |
| 12:04.57 | markos_ | t3ch9: in the monitor section in the XF86Config file, what is listed for HorizSync and VertRefresh ? |
| 12:04.58 | Guerin | /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 12:05.04 | t3ch9 | how we will do it? |
| 12:05.05 | Guerin | !iydkdg redguy |
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| 12:05.09 | dpkg | redguy: If You Don't Know, Don't Guess... |
| 12:05.11 | t3ch9 | to make Modes "1280x1024 |
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| 12:05.37 | t3ch9 | for a while |
| 12:05.37 | fando | ok, i want to try software suspend |
| 12:05.39 | markos_ | t3ch9: it's the monitor, do what i tell you and it will be over soon :-) |
| 12:05.40 | fando | what should I try |
| 12:06.00 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.01 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.10 | t3ch9 | that what it said there |
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| 12:06.17 | cmdKeen | !pal fando |
| 12:06.23 | Guerin | !software suspend |
| 12:06.23 | dpkg | well, software suspend is really cool. It allows you to suspend linux boxes without using APM or ACPI. Get it here: <http://falcon.sch.bme.hu/~seasons/linux/swsusp.html> |
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| 12:06.29 | markos_ | t3ch9: right, i think that's too low |
| 12:06.32 | t3ch9 | what should it put |
| 12:06.36 | Guerin | fando: use at your own risk. Really. |
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| 12:06.41 | azeem | cmdKeen: what was the use of that? |
| 12:06.47 | markos_ | t3ch9: try for HorizSync 30-60 |
| 12:06.56 | fando | i'm trying software suspend 2 but their kernel patches don't compile |
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| 12:07.03 | markos_ | t3ch9: and for VertSync 50-85 |
| 12:07.04 | t3ch9 | that's it? |
| 12:07.06 | t3ch9 | ok |
| 12:07.09 | t3ch9 | for a while |
| 12:07.09 | Guerin | fando: don't compile with what version? |
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| 12:07.18 | Guerin | fando: kernel version, i mean. |
| 12:07.21 | fando | 2.6.12.6 from kernel.org |
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| 12:07.47 | Guerin | fando: contact the author or fix it yourself, is my only advice. |
| 12:07.47 | t3ch9 | ok |
| 12:07.48 | t3ch9 | done |
| 12:07.52 | t3ch9 | then restart again |
| 12:07.54 | markos_ | t3ch9: yes |
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| 12:08.03 | cmdKeen | azeem: it was because I badly translated what he said. sorry |
| 12:08.04 | fando | okay, will check the patchfiles |
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| 12:08.14 | theD3viL | I still cant make it 2 sounds at eash time...what can i do? |
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| 12:08.24 | markos_ | theD3viL: have you installed alsa? |
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| 12:09.01 | clarissa | good morning :) |
| 12:09.02 | t3ch9 | still no changes |
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| 12:09.37 | markos_ | t3ch9: did you actually change the Modes line to have "1280x1024" before the other modes? |
| 12:09.38 | t3ch9 | guys |
| 12:09.45 | clarissa | does somebody know how to make a complete harddisk backup from the linux installation to recover it at later time 1:1 ? |
| 12:09.51 | t3ch9 | yup |
| 12:09.53 | t3ch9 | all of them |
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| 12:10.07 | markos_ | clarissa: personally i use rsync to another disk |
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| 12:10.20 | Guerin | clarissa: plenty of ways. Best is probably rsync; you can use rsnapshot to do this automatically. |
| 12:10.21 | Maulkin | clarissa: dd or rsync? |
| 12:10.22 | clarissa | rsync? i need another disk for this? |
| 12:10.22 | markos_ | t3ch9: could you check the X log? |
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| 12:10.30 | t3ch9 | i'll put it in the flood |
| 12:10.33 | markos_ | no |
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| 12:10.44 | Guerin | clarissa: dd will work, but you'll need to be restoring to the same hard disk as it came off for it to work reliably |
| 12:10.47 | theD3viL | markos_, isnt alsa installed aleready ? |
| 12:10.48 | clarissa | but i want all this in a image for recovery or such that i can install later ^^ |
| 12:10.49 | markos_ | t3ch9: oh you mean #flood |
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| 12:10.57 | markos_ | theD3viL: er, i meant configured |
| 12:10.59 | theD3viL | markos_, i installed alsaconf |
| 12:11.05 | Guerin | clarissa: why an image specifically? |
| 12:11.09 | cmdKeen | when I set audio default sink in gstreamer-propriets to alsa it says it can't construct pipeline so i must use oss wraper... what can I do ? |
| 12:11.09 | clarissa | um |
| 12:11.18 | t3ch9 | yup |
| 12:11.20 | t3ch9 | see it |
| 12:11.22 | t3ch9 | where's the X log |
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| 12:11.54 | Guerin | cmdKeen: set it to oss output and make sure your alsa oss emulation is working |
| 12:12.00 | theD3viL | markos_, i installed alsaconf |
| 12:12.00 | markos_ | t3ch9: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 12:12.04 | Guerin | cmdKeen: modprobe snd-pcm-oss if it's not |
| 12:12.06 | clarissa | it mustnd be a image but i thought because the graphic card installing was hard work and i sitting much hours on it now it works with original nvidia drivers but i cant do this 2nd time again i must save this when my system is damaged later that i can recover this |
| 12:12.07 | markos_ | t3ch9: paste only the last lines |
| 12:12.24 | Guerin | theD3viL: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 12:12.37 | SimonRaven | clarissa: it's called backups |
| 12:12.44 | clarissa | yes SimonRaven ^^ |
| 12:12.47 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 12:12.54 | clarissa | i want to make a bachup :) |
| 12:13.02 | Guerin | clarissa: oh, easy. rsnapshot will do this for you |
| 12:13.02 | theD3viL | Guerin: 0 [nForce2 ]: NFORCE - NVidia nForce2 |
| 12:13.07 | cmdKeen | Guerin: yes, I am running it on oss but it worked on alsa some time ago... is there some difference ? I was curious why it don't work... |
| 12:13.09 | t3ch9 | there's a lot of things to see in the log |
| 12:13.12 | clarissa | okay ^^ |
| 12:13.16 | Guerin | theD3viL: ok. You can play one sound at once, but not two? |
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| 12:13.22 | markos_ | t3ch9: paste the complete file to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 12:13.26 | theD3viL | Guerin, yes |
| 12:13.26 | clarissa | where i find rsnapshot? |
| 12:13.30 | Guerin | !dmix |
| 12:13.31 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 12:13.43 | clarissa | who is rsnapshot? :) |
| 12:13.48 | clarissa | never used or heard from ^^ |
| 12:13.49 | markos_ | t3ch9: and then tell me the url :-) |
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| 12:13.57 | Guerin | clarissa: it's not a who, it's a bunch of shell scripts |
| 12:13.59 | oleg | join #russ- |
| 12:14.04 | SimonRaven | apt-cache search rsnapshot; apt-cache show rsnapshot |
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| 12:14.19 | Guerin | theD3viL: see dmix above |
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| 12:14.24 | theD3viL | Guerin, i make asound.conf in /etc, and thats it ? |
| 12:14.28 | oleg | ÐĩŅŅŅ КŅÐū-Ð―ÐļÐąŅÐīŅ? |
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| 12:14.31 | Guerin | theD3viL: i've not set it up personally, so I can't help you much more |
| 12:14.36 | Guerin | theD3viL: in theory, yeah |
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| 12:14.59 | theD3viL | Guerin, tnx... |
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| 12:15.22 | t3ch9 | i reboot the pc |
| 12:15.24 | keir | my x-server keeps crashing when it starts up claiming it can load the nvidia kernel module, hhowever lsmod shows that the module is present, any idea whats wrong? |
| 12:15.53 | clarissa | SimonRaven: pool/main/r/rsnapshot/rsnapshot_1.2.1-1_all.deb |
| 12:15.54 | syntaxx | xwine and winex are same? |
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| 12:16.44 | markos_ | syntaxx: winex is commercial |
| 12:16.45 | SimonRaven | clarissa: that's the location on the mirrors. what you want to do if you want to install it is apt-get install <package name>. you can find all this info from man apt |
| 12:16.47 | netman1 | Is there a way/utility to test for wether a package is already installed, which reports by way of a returncode? |
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| 12:17.13 | syntaxx | markos_: ic.. bout wine cvs? same on xwine/wine? |
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| 12:17.26 | SimonRaven | clarissa: the package name - if all you have is a .deb - is the first part before the first _ (underscore) |
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| 12:17.54 | markos_ | dpkg -l|grep -n <package> |
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| 12:18.07 | markos_ | netman1: that was for you |
| 12:18.10 | SimonRaven | please don't /msg me |
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| 12:18.16 | netman1 | markos_: thanks. |
| 12:18.17 | clarissa | hmm ._. |
| 12:18.36 | SimonRaven | i have too many windows open as it is |
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| 12:18.43 | clarissa | okay :( |
| 12:18.47 | markos_ | syntaxx: i think the projects are different, but i'm not sure |
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| 12:18.54 | SimonRaven | (and it isn't busy right now) |
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| 12:19.13 | fando | oh, found the software suspend2 bug, it didn't like jffs for some reason so I took it out of my config |
| 12:19.15 | Maulkin | netman1: dpkg -s <package>|grep -c not-installed |
| 12:19.16 | syntaxx | markos_: thanks |
| 12:19.17 | clarissa | i have installed rsnapshot with apt-get install rsnapshot rsync is installed with it too |
| 12:19.24 | deepaz | hey guys i am logigging thru gnome |
| 12:19.31 | deepaz | howver it does not allow root |
| 12:19.34 | deepaz | login |
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| 12:19.58 | deepaz | how do i work itout |
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| 12:20.08 | clarissa | SimonRaven: its installed what to do next? |
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| 12:20.26 | SimonRaven | do dpkg -L <package name> to find out what's in it |
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| 12:20.49 | SimonRaven | might want to pipe that to a pager, like less (dpkg -L rsnapshot | less) |
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| 12:21.14 | markos_ | netman1: Maulkin's solution is even better (but use -n if you just want a return code and no output) |
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| 12:21.34 | fando | why isn't less in the base system :( |
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| 12:21.55 | clarissa | i have there as output follow : ii rsnapshot 1.2.1-1 |
| 12:21.57 | Maulkin | oh, soz, yeah, missed the return code bit :) |
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| 12:22.27 | markos_ | deepaz: it's easy to fix in the gdm.conf file |
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| 12:22.34 | Maulkin | 0 = match, 1 = nomatch, 2 = error IIRC, but check 'man grep' |
| 12:22.36 | markos_ | deepaz: AllowRootLogin, irc |
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| 12:22.57 | deepaz | markos_:ok let me check |
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| 12:23.26 | SimonRaven | clarissa: L, not -l |
| 12:23.27 | Maulkin | clarissa: You're using -l, not -L :) |
| 12:23.34 | clarissa | oh sorry ^^" |
| 12:23.36 | Maulkin | :) |
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| 12:23.44 | SimonRaven | *nix is case sensititve |
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| 12:24.17 | clarissa | um there's much ^^ |
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| 12:24.23 | aabeli | Hello, how i can dump some database from (huge) mysql-dump-file to another file.sql? |
| 12:24.24 | SimonRaven | sensitive even |
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| 12:24.39 | Maulkin | clarissa: Yup, it's all files installed by that package. |
| 12:24.41 | clarissa | simon i paste this wait ^^ whats the debian paste url? |
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| 12:24.57 | Maulkin | aabeli: Erm... How did you generate the original file? |
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| 12:25.18 | Maulkin | clarissa: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 12:25.23 | clarissa | thanks maulkin :) |
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| 12:25.57 | aabeli | Maulkin, with mysqldump |
| 12:26.01 | SimonRaven | clarissa: no don't bother, it's for your benefit. anything in a bin or sbin dir is an executable. thses are the scripts to make it run. how to do so is found in /usr/share/doc/<package name>/README* |
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| 12:26.18 | Maulkin | aabeli: Then use cp :) |
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| 12:26.45 | eyegore | How does one transfer an installation from one partition to another without mangling it |
| 12:26.48 | Maulkin | aabeli: What's in the current dump file? More than one database? |
| 12:26.49 | clarissa | SimonRaven: but i dont know how to use it right ^^" |
| 12:26.59 | t3ch9 | hey markos |
| 12:27.01 | t3ch9 | still there |
| 12:27.03 | clarissa | i dont know this program dont know how to use it right way |
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| 12:27.12 | Maulkin | clarissa: man rsnapshot ? |
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| 12:27.15 | t3ch9 | it there other option to change the stuff |
| 12:27.19 | nakeee | anyone who succeeded in installing openoffice.org2 on sarge or etch from exprimental? |
| 12:27.20 | clarissa | um okay |
| 12:27.25 | syntaxx | whats the type of ntfs? is it 07? |
| 12:27.27 | ick | How can I see what my network interfaces are doing? |
| 12:27.27 | eyegore | keep in mind I am new at this |
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| 12:27.43 | ick | I want some statistics. |
| 12:27.46 | aabeli | Maulkin, all databases from system, i want dump one database from there to another file and the dump-file is ~700MB |
| 12:27.47 | asuffield | eyegore: put a new filesystem on the target device, mount it, cp -ax / /target |
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| 12:27.58 | markos_ | t3ch9: try to use my full nick, so that i can see it highlighted... |
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| 12:28.02 | asuffield | and then probably edit /target/etc/fstab |
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| 12:28.11 | markos_ | t3ch9: same for all nicks actually |
| 12:28.15 | t3ch9 | ok |
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| 12:28.19 | t3ch9 | markos_ =) |
| 12:28.24 | markos_ | right :-) |
| 12:28.38 | t3ch9 | what's next |
| 12:28.38 | Maulkin | aabeli: I'd probably copy it to a new file, and then edit it. Either that or use "mysqldump <database>" |
| 12:28.39 | HE | ick: ifconfig provides some numbers, programs like wmifs or plugins for the KDE/Gnome panels draw graphs |
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| 12:28.52 | markos_ | t3ch9: what do you mean? |
| 12:28.57 | GenghisZ | anyone an idea on why my server stopped using its swap some weeks ago? |
| 12:29.03 | t3ch9 | 1280x1024 |
| 12:29.07 | GenghisZ | i did not change anything related imo |
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| 12:29.43 | markos_ | t3ch9: well, did you paste the X log and gave me the url? |
| 12:29.44 | t3ch9 | i only have 1024x768 |
| 12:29.51 | t3ch9 | what url |
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| 12:29.58 | ick | HE: ifconfig does not provide statistics like the current throughput. |
| 12:30.15 | Maulkin | GenghisZ: 'cat /proc/swaps' <-- what does that display? |
| 12:32.22 | eyegore | Thanks |
| 12:32.22 | markos_ | t3ch9: sigh, paste /var/log/XFree86.0.log to http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 12:32.22 | markos_ | t3ch9: and tell me the url |
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| 12:32.23 | HE | ick: Sure it does, ifconfig; sleep; ifconfig and a bit of math. |
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| 12:32.23 | GenghisZ | Maulkin: /dev/sda1 partition 1028148 0 -1 |
| 12:32.23 | t3ch9 | i cant copy all |
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| 12:32.23 | t3ch9 | im using putty |
| 12:32.23 | keir | my x-server keeps crashing when it starts up claiming it cant load the nvidia kernel module, hhowever lsmod shows that the module is present, any idea whats wrong? |
| 12:32.23 | t3ch9 | remote access |
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| 12:32.24 | markos_ | t3ch9: just the last 50 lines or so will do |
| 12:32.24 | Alex_BO | HI! i've a problem compiling a program: "C compiler cannot create executables".what program do i need? |
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| 12:32.24 | t3ch9 | ok |
| 12:32.24 | markos_ | Alex_BO: most likely gcc |
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| 12:32.25 | bbc | Alex_BO: What command-line are you using? |
| 12:32.25 | eyegore | Then all I have to do is move that drive around and I am in my new "home" so to speak |
| 12:32.25 | Maulkin | GenghisZ: it's possible it's just not being used. |
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| 12:32.32 | asuffield | Alex_BO: just install build-essential |
| 12:32.39 | Alex_BO | asuffield, okey |
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| 12:32.40 | GenghisZ | aint that weird? cause ram = 99% used |
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| 12:33.07 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.08 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.13 | t3ch9 | markos_ |
| 12:33.15 | Maulkin | GenghisZ: are you accounting for buffers? |
| 12:33.21 | Alex_BO | asuffield, it doesn't work however |
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| 12:33.37 | GenghisZ | Maulkin? dunno what you mean |
| 12:33.43 | markos_ | t3ch9: these doesn't look like the last lines |
| 12:33.46 | t3ch9 | markos_ |
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| 12:33.51 | markos_ | t3ch9: i need the last lines |
| 12:33.54 | Maulkin | GenghisZ: type 'free' |
| 12:33.54 | t3ch9 | ok |
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| 12:34.07 | ick | HE: ok, I see what you mean. I wanted to have something more userfriendly. Never mind. |
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| 12:34.12 | bbc | Alex_BO: What command-line are you using? |
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| 12:34.18 | markos_ | t3ch9: no actually, please try to paste ALL of it |
| 12:34.18 | Maulkin | GenghisZ: What's the line that starts with '-/+ buffers/cache' |
| 12:34.29 | GenghisZ | -/+ buffers/cache: 214908 282732 |
| 12:34.30 | Alex_BO | bbc, ./configure |
| 12:34.31 | clarissa | midnight commander is a good tool i think to copy and such things :) |
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| 12:34.42 | GenghisZ | but i gotta say, the server is just rebooted |
| 12:34.50 | t3ch9 | that's all i have |
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| 12:34.52 | netman1 | Is it considered "That's the way to do it (tm)" to source handy shell functions on login from a '~/bin/functions.rc' ? |
| 12:34.52 | asuffield | of course he's running configure, that's an autoconf error |
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| 12:35.12 | asuffield | Alex_BO: the real error is in config.log, somewhere vaguely near the bottom. it'll be close to a copy of that message. go find it |
| 12:35.22 | bbc | Alex_BO: check config.log |
| 12:35.22 | markos_ | t3ch9: impossible, there must be more info in this file |
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| 12:35.49 | eyegore | am I changing attributes by using the "a" switch? |
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| 12:36.01 | bbc | asuffield: not necessarily |
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| 12:36.29 | t3ch9 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/645. |
| 12:36.35 | t3ch9 | markos - http://channels.debian.net/paste/645. |
| 12:36.39 | clarissa | how can i mark more than one folder and file in MC (Midnight Commander) that he should copy into another folder at the other side? |
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| 12:37.00 | bbc | clarissa: insert |
| 12:37.00 | netman1 | clarissa: <Ctl> ? |
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| 12:37.18 | markos_ | t3ch9: nope that's not all |
| 12:37.22 | clarissa | doesnt work |
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| 12:37.33 | clarissa | if i press ctrl i cant make anything |
| 12:37.34 | markos_ | t3ch9: I need the whole file, unless you do that, i can't help you |
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| 12:37.40 | t3ch9 | ok |
| 12:37.40 | t3ch9 | wait |
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| 12:39.05 | bbc | clarissa: With the insert key. |
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| 12:39.55 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 12:40.46 | clarissa | bbc thank you very much :) |
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| 12:41.13 | eyegore | what was the command to reinstall grub |
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| 12:41.20 | bbc | clarissa: you're welcome |
| 12:41.22 | t3ch9 | markos |
| 12:41.25 | clarissa | ^-^ |
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| 12:41.35 | t3ch9 | i'll send to you the file |
| 12:41.35 | Guerin | eyegore: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 12:41.43 | eyegore | thank you |
| 12:41.58 | Guerin | eyegore: presuming you have a hda |
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| 12:42.27 | eyegore | I have a, b, and d, |
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| 12:44.25 | Lanix | wow big updates on unstable nice |
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| 12:45.08 | clarissa | at my MC screen is shown now while it copy "Bytes" what does it mean? because under this is another stat line too |
| 12:45.13 | t3ch9 | markos_ |
| 12:45.16 | t3ch9 | still there |
| 12:45.20 | markos_ | yes |
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| 12:45.25 | markos_ | but not for long |
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| 12:45.47 | t3ch9 | its all there |
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| 12:47.29 | t3ch9 | what's next markos_ |
| 12:47.46 | markos_ | t3ch9: right, your monitor might support 1280x1024 but the HorzSync is small |
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| 12:48.04 | markos_ | on the other hand it seems it supports 1152x864 and 1280x960 |
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| 12:48.39 | t3ch9 | can we do it by 1280x1024 |
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| 12:49.03 | resiak | Hey, wait. 1280x1024 doesn't exist. |
| 12:49.05 | t3ch9 | it ok at least we can do it by 1280x1024 |
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| 12:49.08 | adrakoa | hi amphi |
| 12:49.13 | markos_ | t3ch9: try setting HorizSync to 30-70 |
| 12:49.18 | markos_ | resiak: ? |
| 12:49.19 | amphi | g'day adrakoa |
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| 12:49.35 | resiak | markos_: It's not 4:3 like all the other resolutions. It's 1280x960. |
| 12:49.39 | t3ch9 | what is the use of the card if we dont set this thing into 1280x1024 |
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| 12:49.46 | t3ch9 | 64MB DDR |
| 12:49.51 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:49.55 | amphi | resiak: you're the only other person I've seen note that |
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| 12:50.05 | t3ch9 | is a big memory for the 1280x1024 |
| 12:50.05 | markos_ | resiak: of course it does |
| 12:50.19 | syntaxx | i cant browse on my mounted /mnt what permission do i need to use? |
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| 12:50.39 | resiak | markos_: I know. I'm imitating someone else on here who says (a) that it's illogical [true] and (b) that it doesn't exist [false]. |
| 12:50.52 | markos_ | resiak: actually there's no such thing as "a resolution doesn't exist" |
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| 12:50.59 | resiak | markos_: I know that too :) |
| 12:51.04 | markos_ | resiak: if you're smart enough you could even design your own |
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| 12:51.19 | markos_ | resiak: right :-) |
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| 12:51.21 | Guerin | t3ch9: no, it's a big memory for playing g4m3z |
| 12:51.29 | t3ch9 | hahahaha!!!! |
| 12:51.35 | t3ch9 | maybe he |
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| 12:51.40 | Thanatermesis | hippie, any way for auto-launch aplications if you put one CD in the drive ? (without kde/gnome( |
| 12:51.43 | t3ch9 | maybe he's a microsoft user |
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| 12:51.46 | Guerin | t3ch9: really ... no video mode known to debiankind requires 64MB |
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| 12:52.18 | t3ch9 | so markos_ |
| 12:52.23 | t3ch9 | what should i do? |
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| 12:52.34 | t3ch9 | change again the settings? |
| 12:52.39 | markos_ | t3ch9: sigh, i already told you, change the HorizSync and retry |
| 12:52.49 | markos_ | t3ch9: out of curiosity, how old are you? |
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| 12:52.52 | Guerin | or use another mode and be happy |
| 12:52.56 | markos_ | t3ch9: no offence |
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| 12:53.01 | t3ch9 | 13 |
| 12:53.13 | syntaxx | i cant browse on my mounted /mnt what permission do i need to use? |
| 12:53.18 | t3ch9 | my dad use to teach me |
| 12:53.19 | markos_ | t3ch9: keep it up, in 5 years you'll be a great linux user |
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| 12:53.34 | Guerin | syntaxx: 755 |
| 12:53.35 | t3ch9 | my dad told me not to use microsoft |
| 12:53.41 | Guerin | your dad is wise |
| 12:53.44 | clarissa | lol |
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| 12:53.46 | syntaxx | thanks |
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| 12:54.01 | t3ch9 | thanks |
| 12:54.03 | Guerin | i had to tell my mum not to use microsoft :) |
| 12:54.03 | markos_ | t3ch9: and one advice, *never* be daunted by a computer, they're not worth it |
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| 12:54.10 | t3ch9 | he's a IT head in the office |
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| 12:54.33 | syntaxx | Guerin: still cant browse permission denied |
| 12:54.38 | t3ch9 | so |
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| 12:54.42 | t3ch9 | what's next markos |
| 12:54.46 | markos_ | t3ch9: ok, just edit the file and restart X again |
| 12:54.49 | Guerin | syntaxx: what are you using to browse? |
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| 12:55.01 | syntaxx | Guerin: my user |
| 12:55.06 | Guerin | syntaxx: no, what program |
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| 12:55.21 | syntaxx | Guerin: bash.. trying to cd /mnt it says permission denied |
| 12:55.27 | t3ch9 | what should i put? |
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| 12:55.34 | Guerin | syntaxx: ls -l / |grep mnt |
| 12:55.38 | t3ch9 | in the hori? |
| 12:55.43 | markos_ | t3ch9: scroll back, i already told you |
| 12:55.44 | t3ch9 | and vertocal? |
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| 12:55.51 | markos_ | leave vertical as it was |
| 12:55.52 | clarissa | does the Debian Sarge need Swap when i want to play games and other things but have 1gig ram ? |
| 12:55.54 | t3ch9 | and vertical? |
| 12:56.03 | t3ch9 | just the hori? |
| 12:56.08 | t3ch9 | just the horizontal? |
| 12:56.08 | azeem | 14:51 < markos_> leave vertical as it was |
| 12:56.10 | syntaxx | Guerin: dr-x------ |
| 12:56.10 | m2 | clarissa: depends on what "other things" are |
| 12:56.13 | Guerin | clarissa: maybe, maybe not, but disk is cheap and ram is not. |
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| 12:56.19 | timgoh0 | clarissa: It would be a good idea to have a swap partition. |
| 12:56.26 | Guerin | syntaxx: so you didn't change the permissions to 755 like I told you. |
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| 12:56.27 | markos_ | t3ch9: HorizSync 30-70 or even 30-80 if it still doesn't work |
| 12:56.28 | clarissa | m2: good morning :D |
| 12:56.34 | amphi | clarissa: swap is always handy |
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| 12:56.38 | syntaxx | Guerin: i did chmod 755 /mnt |
| 12:56.40 | timgoh0 | clarissa: In the event that things need to swap. |
| 12:56.47 | Guerin | syntaxx: didn't work though, did it? |
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| 12:56.51 | Guerin | syntaxx: be root. |
| 12:56.54 | syntaxx | yeah im on root |
| 12:56.59 | m2 | clarissa: good day, had a nice game? |
| 12:56.59 | timgoh0 | syntaxx: What are the permissions on /mnt now? |
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| 12:57.05 | Guerin | timgoh0: hello |
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| 12:57.09 | markos_ | Guerin: that's a nice moto for a t-shirt :-D |
| 12:57.12 | syntaxx | timgoh0: dr-x------ |
| 12:57.13 | Guerin | 21:56:06 < syntaxx> Guerin: dr-x------ |
| 12:57.14 | nevixpain | Is there a way (kernel parameter) to disable the whole powersave/speedstep/cpufreq/acpi/clockmod suff without recompiling ? |
| 12:57.15 | markos_ | Guerin: "be root" |
| 12:57.17 | Guerin | markos_: heh |
| 12:57.19 | clarissa | m2: because i have 1gig ram and i heard that i dont need swap if i have 1gig ram and more :) |
| 12:57.23 | Guerin | markos_: the zen of debian |
| 12:57.24 | clarissa | m2: yes ^^ |
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| 12:57.27 | markos_ | yeah |
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| 12:57.41 | timgoh0 | syntaxx: And you are unable to cd /mnt as root? |
| 12:57.47 | Guerin | clarissa: depends what you do. You probably don't, but hell. |
| 12:57.54 | syntaxx | Guerin: awhile ago it works in vfat. but when i switch to nfts it wont work now |
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| 12:58.01 | syntaxx | timgoh0: yeah root can cd onto it |
| 12:58.09 | clarissa | what for tools use swap everytime? |
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| 12:58.13 | m2 | syntaxx: is something mounted in /mnt? |
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| 12:58.24 | timgoh0 | syntaxx: What user cannot cd into it? |
| 12:58.26 | Guerin | syntaxx: you're trying to change the mountpoint permissions, not anything inside the mountpoint |
| 12:58.26 | phogg | clarissa: you should always have swap, just in case. |
| 12:58.28 | t3ch9 | my monitor got black out |
| 12:58.29 | halibut | Is there a desktop search program for linux I can use? |
| 12:58.35 | syntaxx | m2: after i type mount /dev/hda5 /mnt |
| 12:58.36 | clarissa | okay phogg ^^ |
| 12:58.38 | Guerin | halibut: locate |
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| 12:58.46 | syntaxx | timgoh0: this user |
| 12:58.53 | markos_ | t3ch9: so it probably doesn't support this resolution did you use -70 or -80? |
| 12:58.54 | halibut | Guerin, does it work like google desktop search with a GUI? |
| 12:58.59 | Phated | Heheh. |
| 12:59.00 | m2 | clarissa: linux will swap out memory portions that aren't being used, so that programs that do require memory can have more of it |
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| 12:59.11 | joh_ | halibut: Beagle, yes |
| 12:59.13 | Guerin | halibut: i have no idea what google desktop search is like |
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| 12:59.19 | timgoh0 | syntaxx: You've just mounted a filesystem on /mnt. What filesystem is this? |
| 12:59.28 | clarissa | m2: thats good i think or? ^^ |
| 12:59.29 | syntaxx | timgoh0: ntfs |
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| 12:59.39 | Guerin | ok, woah |
| 12:59.40 | timgoh0 | Did mount complain? |
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| 12:59.47 | syntaxx | timgoh0: no |
| 12:59.47 | markos_ | t3ch9: hey, do you know the specs of your monitor? |
| 12:59.50 | m2 | clarissa: yes, that's good |
| 12:59.55 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.55 | phogg | halibut: beagle is what you're looking for |
| 12:59.56 | Guerin | this /mnt issue is a simple 'no read permissions on the mount point' issue |
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| 13:00.03 | t3ch9 | hey markos_ |
| 13:00.04 | joh_ | halibut: Beagle is like Google desktop or Apple spotlight. |
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| 13:00.14 | halibut | thanks joh_ and phogg |
| 13:00.18 | Guerin | all of y'all talking about what's mjounted inside are getting the poor dude confused |
| 13:00.19 | t3ch9 | from the filipino says: MABUHAY KA!!! |
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| 13:00.25 | t3ch9 | LONG LIVE!!!! |
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| 13:00.28 | timgoh0 | Guerin: But that should not prevent the user from CD'ing into the mountpoint |
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| 13:00.38 | phogg | Beagle always crashes for me. So much for the stability of 'managed code' |
| 13:00.42 | Guerin | timgoh0: if there's no r or x, it bloody well should |
| 13:00.42 | markos_ | t3ch9: ok, found the specs from your paste: |
| 13:00.47 | clarissa | Linux Extended is EXT3 ? |
| 13:00.49 | markos_ | t3ch9: these are the correct ones: |
| 13:00.55 | Guerin | timgoh0: and there is no r or x |
| 13:00.56 | t3ch9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.02 | markos_ | t3ch9: it worked? |
| 13:01.05 | t3ch9 | salamat po |
| 13:01.06 | t3ch9 | yes |
| 13:01.09 | t3ch9 | it works |
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| 13:01.12 | t3ch9 | thanks a lot |
| 13:01.12 | syntaxx | Guerin: chmod 755 on /mnt? |
| 13:01.18 | phogg | clarissa: EXT2 |
| 13:01.19 | Guerin | syntaxx: yes. |
| 13:01.20 | timgoh0 | There was an r and an x. <syntaxx> Guerin: dr-x------ |
| 13:01.22 | syntaxx | t3ch9: u filipino? |
| 13:01.25 | Guerin | clarissa: linux extended is a partition type, not a filesystem |
| 13:01.31 | t3ch9 | yes |
| 13:01.32 | Guerin | timgoh0: it's owned by ROOT, ffs |
| 13:01.34 | clarissa | phogg what for a number is for EXT3 ? |
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| 13:01.35 | t3ch9 | im a filipino |
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| 13:01.36 | Guerin | timgoh0: hello! |
| 13:01.40 | phogg | clarissa: the same |
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| 13:01.47 | Guerin | :tea timgoh0 |
| 13:01.48 | markos_ | t3ch9: great, i'm glad i helped :-) |
| 13:01.51 | Guerin | !tea timgoh0 |
| 13:01.56 | t3ch9 | cool |
| 13:01.56 | Guerin | you need zen |
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| 13:02.12 | timgoh0 | Guerin: I thought syntaxx was trying to cd in as root? |
| 13:02.21 | Guerin | timgoh0: he CAN cd in as root, just not as user. |
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| 13:02.30 | timgoh0 | Ah. Chmod should fix that right up. |
| 13:02.36 | Guerin | sure enough |
| 13:02.40 | Guerin | syntaxx: so, any change? |
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| 13:02.58 | syntaxx | Guerin: none.. stil cant cd on /mnt trying to chmod 755 on /mnt |
| 13:02.59 | clarissa | how to format hda6 with ext3 ? :) |
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| 13:03.00 | t3ch9 | hey markos_ |
| 13:03.02 | t3ch9 | =) |
| 13:03.06 | markos_ | ? |
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| 13:03.15 | t3ch9 | can you email me the how too |
| 13:03.18 | asuffield | chmod doesn't work on vfat or ntfs filesystems, or anything else that's read-only or acutely not unix |
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| 13:03.22 | Guerin | clarissa: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda6 |
| 13:03.27 | amphi | clarissa: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda3 |
| 13:03.27 | markos_ | t3ch9: what howto? for X? |
| 13:03.34 | Guerin | amphi: the /mnt is on his own filesystem |
| 13:03.34 | amphi | clarissa: er, 6 ;) |
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| 13:03.38 | Guerin | asuffield: ^^ |
| 13:03.42 | asuffield | Guerin: no, it's mounted |
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| 13:03.47 | halibut | Beagle vs Kat anyone? |
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| 13:04.03 | markos_ | i don't have any howto here, it was from many years experience and lots of sleepless nights :-) |
| 13:04.07 | Guerin | asuffield: oh, i see what you're saying |
| 13:04.09 | m2 | halibut: Kat is Beagle for KDE? |
| 13:04.09 | asuffield | he needs some umask crap in fstab |
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| 13:04.29 | Guerin | !vfatrw |
| 13:04.29 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 13:04.33 | markos_ | t3ch9: but you could find enough howtos if you google |
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| 13:04.43 | clarissa | whats now? o.o mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda6 or mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda6 ? |
| 13:04.46 | Thanatermesis | hippie, any way for auto-launch aplications if you put one CD in the drive ? (without kde/gnome( |
| 13:04.54 | syntaxx | awhile ago it works without any complain when it is vfat but when i format my partition to ntfs and mount.. then cd /mnt it says permission denied |
| 13:04.57 | m2 | clarissa: they are the same |
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| 13:04.59 | Guerin | syntaxx: do those things; also, unmount your ntfs and change the permissions on the mount point to 755 |
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| 13:05.19 | clarissa | m2: okay then i learn the easier that with mkfs.ext3 :) |
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| 13:05.28 | syntaxx | Guerin: chmod 755 /mnt right? |
| 13:05.33 | Guerin | syntaxx: 1 |
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| 13:05.59 | syntaxx | Guerin: then mount? |
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| 13:06.11 | clarissa | i cant umount the hda6 but i must for format |
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| 13:06.20 | timgoh0 | syntaxx:that should be correct. |
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| 13:06.21 | Guerin | syntaxx: verify it changed, then follow the vfatrw instructions above |
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| 13:06.23 | resiak | clarissa: Why can't you umount it? |
| 13:06.29 | Guerin | clarissa: why can't you unmount it? |
| 13:06.33 | clarissa | resiak: its busy say me the console |
| 13:06.33 | timgoh0 | clarissa: error messages? |
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| 13:06.37 | clarissa | busy |
| 13:06.39 | Guerin | clarissa: why? |
| 13:06.45 | amphi | clarissa: is it mounted? |
| 13:06.46 | clarissa | i dont know but device is busy :( |
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| 13:06.52 | clarissa | yes its mountet amphi |
| 13:06.53 | resiak | clarissa: Where is it mounted? lsof | grep /hda6/mount/point |
| 13:06.53 | Guerin | clarissa: find out what's using it with lsof or fuser |
| 13:06.53 | timgoh0 | clarissa: Do you have any other consoles cd'ed into it? |
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| 13:07.00 | m2 | clarissa: that means some program is using a file in there |
| 13:07.02 | amphi | clarissa: where? |
| 13:07.11 | timgoh0 | cd /; umount /dev/hda6 |
| 13:07.16 | syntaxx | Guerin: drwxr-xr-r now on /mnt |
| 13:07.17 | Guerin | clarissa: or if you don't care about the data on it, use umount -l |
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| 13:07.28 | Guerin | syntaxx: winna! |
| 13:07.32 | azeem | timgoh0: can you umount the device rather than the mount point? |
| 13:07.40 | syntaxx | Guerin: still user cant mount in it |
| 13:07.41 | markos_ | Thanatermesis: you could try playing with autofs, but i'm not sure if it can autolaunch apps |
| 13:07.49 | markos_ | ok enough for now... |
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| 13:07.53 | markos_ | later |
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| 13:08.10 | timgoh0 | azeem: As far as i know, it is possible. |
| 13:08.11 | Guerin | syntaxx: did you do vfatrw? |
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| 13:08.29 | clarissa | Guerin: no i mustnd take care about it because its an empty new partition :) |
| 13:08.34 | clarissa | i have formatted it now ^-^ |
| 13:08.44 | syntaxx | Guerin: whats vfatrw? |
| 13:08.48 | azeem | timgoh0: cool, didn't know that |
| 13:08.51 | Guerin | !tell syntaxx about vfatrw |
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| 13:08.57 | timgoh0 | azeem: According to the man pages, you can specify device. |
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| 13:14.17 | syntaxx | Guerin: so ill use /etc/fstab? and it will be auto mount? |
| 13:14.28 | Guerin | if you do it right |
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| 13:14.47 | syntaxx | but i dont want it to be auto mount |
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| 13:15.39 | Guerin | syntaxx: so put noauto in the options column |
| 13:15.46 | syntaxx | ok |
| 13:15.48 | Guerin | man fstab tells you all about it |
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| 13:16.21 | syntaxx | Guerin: /dev/hda5 /mnt ntfs noauto in my fstab? |
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| 13:16.37 | Guerin | syntaxx: is that what vfatrw says? I don't believe so... |
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| 13:17.19 | phogg | syntaxx: you really don't want to mount directly on /mnt |
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| 13:17.47 | Guerin | phogg is not wrong |
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| 13:17.59 | Guerin | you should make a dir inside /mnt for that purpose |
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| 13:26.37 | Manoj_ | darn. I wish I knew how to turn off join/part notices in xchat |
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| 13:27.19 | syntaxx | Guerin: /dev/hda5 /mnt ntfs noauto,default,1000,1000,002 0 0 on /etc/fstab? |
| 13:27.19 | Guerin | !nospambot |
| 13:27.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 13:27.22 | Guerin | oh |
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| 13:27.26 | Guerin | it's an irssi script, oops |
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| 13:28.18 | Guerin | syntaxx: as per the instructiosn, you need uid=xxx,gid=xxx; and leave the default out |
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| 13:28.35 | syntaxx | ok |
| 13:28.36 | timgoh0 | Manoj_: /ignore modes joins parts quits should work. |
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| 13:29.08 | syntaxx | Guerin: then restart fstab? or no need? |
| 13:29.12 | Guerin | syntaxx: no need |
| 13:29.15 | Phated | s/modes/#channelname/ , actually, on irssi. |
| 13:29.16 | syntaxx | ok |
| 13:29.27 | Guerin | phogg: NOT IRSSI |
| 13:29.30 | Guerin | bah |
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| 13:29.33 | Phated | Heh, sorry. |
| 13:29.37 | grepper | Manoj_: r-click on the tab and select the channel |
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| 13:29.56 | syntaxx | Guerin: still cant cd in it |
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| 13:30.13 | Guerin | syntaxx: then you made some mistake or other |
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| 13:31.06 | Manoj_ | grepper, thanks, that seems to have done it |
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| 13:31.29 | grepper | Manoj_: np |
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| 13:33.44 | SimonRaven | hey Manoj_, how's it going? |
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| 13:34.26 | Manoj_ | SimonRaven, kinda swamped. too little time .... |
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| 13:34.37 | SimonRaven | understood |
| 13:34.40 | syntaxx | timgoh0: cant msg u |
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| 13:34.55 | takatumi | Maulkin: that's a neat one. ;) |
| 13:35.09 | timgoh0 | syntaxx: Set mode +E |
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| 13:35.49 | timgoh0 | syntaxx: See the topic. |
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| 13:36.17 | syntaxx | im registered |
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| 13:37.17 | FallOnMe | syntaxx: I'm registered too, seems the limit to the number of users was set a bit low. |
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| 13:37.46 | m2 | FallOnMe: apparently it goes up and down... |
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| 13:37.55 | FallOnMe | Now those random looking nicks look a bit suspicious. ;-) |
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| 13:38.38 | m2 | FallOnMe: YoU MeAn NiCkS iN CaMeLcAsE? *g* |
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| 13:38.45 | FallOnMe | SimonRaven: how? |
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| 13:41.18 | SimonRaven | r-click on channel tab |
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| 13:41.55 | SimonRaven | not using irssi due to massive logging in #interdictor-chat last few days |
| 13:41.55 | abrotman | !beer SimonRaven |
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| 13:42.08 | SimonRaven | gee, thanks |
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| 13:42.13 | FallOnMe | SimonRaven: Thanks, I never knew there was something under that. |
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| 13:42.33 | abrotman | SimonRaven: it's not in the normal settings .. and /ignore doesn't work |
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| 13:43.58 | FallOnMe | SimonRaven: Now if I could make that the default, that would be swell. |
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| 13:44.12 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:44.50 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:44.54 | abrotman | SimonRaven: did you just spam us? |
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| 13:44.59 | SimonRaven | more details on http://simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/categories/rants/NewOrleansandHurricaneKatrina.html |
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| 13:45.02 | GregM | hmm im trying to use dnsmasq to forward all dhcp requests to a particular ip, anyone familiar with this? |
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| 13:45.11 | SimonRaven | not spam, they really need help |
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| 13:46.12 | abrotman | SimonRaven: need help doing what? .. seems fine to me |
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| 13:46.29 | SimonRaven | transcribing scanner output |
| 13:46.30 | asuffield | abrotman: shooting citizens |
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| 13:46.47 | GregM | that is all www traffic similar to captive portal |
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| 13:47.26 | SimonRaven | there are. plenty ;p |
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| 13:47.32 | abrotman | SimonRaven: not where they're needed |
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| 13:47.36 | SimonRaven | bah |
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| 13:48.07 | MaxPower | hey, how would i delete a ntfs partition and use that space for the linux partition without reinstalling debian please? |
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| 13:48.27 | paulswm | Hooray |
| 13:48.37 | abrotman | MaxPower: fdisk |
| 13:48.40 | abrotman | paulswm: yay |
| 13:49.02 | MaxPower | abrotman, can i resize a partition that im using though? |
| 13:49.02 | FallOnMe | MaxPower: You would use something like parted or Partition Magic. And BACKUP before that. |
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| 13:49.24 | MaxPower | partition magic, does that run under linux? |
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| 13:49.32 | Rizzer | MaxPower: cfdisk is simpler than fdisk, doesn't resize though |
| 13:49.32 | abrotman | or gparted |
| 13:49.34 | MaxPower | or a linux version |
| 13:49.40 | antgel | abrotman: oh yeah :) |
| 13:49.51 | FallOnMe | MaxPower: no. It's commercial and boots from a DOS floppy (maybe CD). |
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| 13:49.58 | MaxPower | sweet cheers |
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| 13:50.13 | FallOnMe | MaxPower: I don't think there's an on-line resizing solution easily available. |
| 13:50.26 | abrotman | antgel: feel better? |
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| 13:50.35 | antgel | abrotman: can breathe easier now :P |
| 13:50.45 | abrotman | antgel: only took what .. 3 hours? |
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| 13:51.04 | FallOnMe | MaxPower: However, that Partition Magic stuff usually works. Supports ext2, ext3 and reiserfs I think. |
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| 13:51.09 | antgel | abrotman: just a simple cycle of up arrow -> return for a mere half hour or so |
| 13:51.14 | abrotman | gparted is free |
| 13:51.31 | abrotman | antgel: oh .. that's not too bad .. i should have let you suffer :) |
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| 13:54.34 | SimonRaven | abrotman: FYI, those are just huge-assed <ul>s |
| 13:54.46 | SimonRaven | easier right now to post things quickly |
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| 13:55.29 | Coke | Is it possible to control the order of sound devices with alsa, regardless of the driver load order? |
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| 13:55.42 | abrotman | SimonRaven: try <li> .. it should put spaces bteween then |
| 13:55.43 | FallOnMe | SimonRaven: so where is the queue of the scanned pictures to be transcribed? |
| 13:55.44 | abrotman | them |
| 13:55.53 | SimonRaven | i am. look at the source |
| 13:55.55 | abrotman | i think |
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| 13:56.20 | valdyn | Coke: with the module option index= |
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| 13:56.47 | SimonRaven | i could do some semi-fancy CSS on it, so it spaces out a bit more between each <li> |
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| 13:57.13 | abrotman | SimonRaven: all i know .. it renders like ass for me .. but it could be my crappy non-free browser .. it's very hard for me to read |
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| 13:57.27 | FallOnMe | abrotman: lemme guess, Opera? ;-) |
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| 13:57.38 | SimonRaven | what browser? (fucking spacebar decided to poop on me now) |
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| 13:57.56 | SimonRaven | if it's IE, i don't care |
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| 13:58.21 | abrotman | SimonRaven: opera |
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| 13:58.54 | abrotman | nah . it's the same in FF |
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| 13:59.42 | abrotman | not my site .. not my html .. i just said it's hard for me to read .. |
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| 14:00.09 | SimonRaven | it's not meant to be pretty right now... that's later |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | i know |
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| 14:02.53 | MaxPower | in fdisk, how do I resize the linux partition to use the empty space now? |
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| 14:02.58 | MaxPower | please :) |
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| 14:03.28 | antgel | MaxPower: you don't resize partitions in fdisk |
| 14:03.29 | streuner | hm |
| 14:03.41 | Coke | valdyn: can I just add the option to my /etc/modules.conf after the module name? |
| 14:03.44 | abrotman | i said gparted like 4 fucking times |
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| 14:04.00 | Coke | valdyn: /etc/modules is what I meant |
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| 14:05.24 | abrotman | l |
| 14:05.29 | asg | p |
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| 14:06.31 | abrotman | asg: don't make me hurt you! |
| 14:07.02 | asg | whip me, beat me, make me write bad cheques. |
| 14:07.04 | abrotman | !coffee asg |
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| 14:07.25 | abrotman | does he know any other kind? |
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| 14:07.36 | asg | !literal cmd: coffee $1 (.*?) |
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| 14:07.57 | asg | abrotman: nope |
| 14:08.03 | abrotman | !literal cmd: coffee (.*?) |
| 14:08.03 | dpkg | CMD: coffee (.*?) is ($1): <action> decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for $1, courtesy of $nick |
| 14:08.06 | streuner | asg: without '$1' |
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| 14:08.18 | MaxPower | abrotman, i tried apt-get install gparted but it didnt work |
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| 14:08.25 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
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| 14:08.33 | abrotman | well .. i think it might be now .. but not in sarge |
| 14:08.34 | asg | streuner: yeah |
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| 14:08.44 | MaxPower | arr ok |
| 14:09.07 | abrotman | !resize |
| 14:09.07 | Manoj_ | MaxPower, gparted is only in unstable; parted should be available, though |
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| 14:09.09 | abrotman | bah |
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| 14:09.57 | MaxPower | sweet a parted will do the same trick? |
| 14:10.03 | MaxPower | a-and |
| 14:10.20 | Zsuzsi | hello, i want a filter to run every time when postfix processing a mail. I did it, but the script don't run on local delivery. What should i do? |
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| 14:10.37 | asg | SimonRaven: your porsche is in the mail |
| 14:10.39 | MaxPower | thanks for ur help |
| 14:10.55 | SimonRaven | oh thank you, but i'd much rather have a dual-proc G5 |
| 14:10.57 | asg | Zsuzsi: have you asked #postfix yet? |
| 14:11.01 | asg | SimonRaven: :) |
| 14:11.04 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 14:11.13 | Zsuzsi | asg of cors i did! but nobody listen there |
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| 14:11.30 | Zsuzsi | btw i prefer exim4 o_O" |
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| 14:11.46 | SimonRaven | um, maybe they're still asleep from partying last night (but who feels like partying...) |
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| 14:12.01 | asg | SimonRaven: no, #postfix is notoriously non-talkative (like #samba) |
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| 14:12.05 | SimonRaven | ah |
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| 14:13.09 | SimonRaven | i should have done this "turn off joins/parts" thing ages ago... |
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| 14:13.40 | asg | SimonRaven: it does cut down on the cruft, that's true. |
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| 14:14.24 | SimonRaven | now, if only i could do a similar thing with blog spam bots trying to post... |
| 14:14.25 | Zsuzsi | asg, what about to fire up that channel, and talk about serious postfix problems right now? :> |
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| 14:14.47 | abrotman | i've gotten tons of help in #postfix |
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| 14:15.11 | Zsuzsi | so, i want to run the -o content_filter= every time when postfix delivers a mail |
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| 14:15.44 | Zsuzsi | smtp inet n - - - - smtpd -o content_filter=cmdchk:dummy |
| 14:15.48 | abrotman | it probably already does |
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| 14:16.05 | Zsuzsi | cmdchk unix n - n - 10 pipe flags=Rq user=filter argv=/usr/local/bin/cmdchk -f ${sender} -- |
| 14:16.21 | Zsuzsi | nope, the cmdchk just runs when i deliver a mail from a remote mail server |
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| 14:16.40 | Zsuzsi | if i do on the same host where postfix runs an echo x | mail .... it's not runs |
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| 14:17.03 | asg | Zsuzsi: perhaps you could ask on their mailing list (or search the list archives) |
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| 14:17.18 | Zsuzsi | :/ |
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| 14:18.35 | abrotman | Zsuzsi: maybe because it says inet ? |
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| 14:19.14 | Zsuzsi | hm |
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| 14:19.36 | abrotman | just a hunch |
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| 14:21.24 | Canteiro | br? |
| 14:21.37 | asg | !br |
| 14:21.37 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:21.50 | Canteiro | ok |
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| 14:24.14 | Zsuzsi | abrotman, i had to ad the option tho the pickup services |
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| 14:25.05 | abrotman | Zsuzsi: ah .. that .. kind of makes sense |
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| 14:26.41 | Canteiro | quit |
| 14:26.49 | asg | Canteiro: try /quit |
| 14:26.55 | Zsuzsi | but actualy, still not working |
| 14:26.58 | Zsuzsi | and i got strange errors.. |
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| 14:28.06 | fox-boy | I need some help installing my EPSON 740 printer. I've installed libprinterconf but don't know how to launch or access it via one of the KDE screens. Can anyone help? |
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| 14:28.53 | gnsgu | br? |
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| 14:29.28 | asg | !br |
| 14:29.28 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:29.40 | m2 | fox-boy: uhm, try something like ... kdeprint. I vaguely recall that in the admin thing in KDE there's a printers tab. |
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| 14:30.00 | takatumi | fox-boy: try localhost:631 |
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| 14:31.11 | fox-boy | I was hoping KDE would allow me to run a utility that would detect my printer's settings etc |
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| 14:31.19 | fox-boy | i take it kdeprint does this? |
| 14:31.22 | MoDaX | fox-boy: k menu->settings->printing manager |
| 14:31.51 | silensius | i can't add a printer in user mode kdeprint return i can'get printers list and can' connect to cups |
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| 14:32.22 | silensius | but in root mode i can add printer and cups work |
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| 14:32.39 | fox-boy | MoDax: I found it - thanks |
| 14:32.46 | fox-boy | MoDax: I'm going to give this a try |
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| 14:34.26 | zygis | hei, i have a problem, i have a file, which (surprise, surprise) can't be deleted or even seen in `ls' output even as root user, but somehow i need to purge it out of the way, any thoughts? |
| 14:34.38 | abrotman | zygis: what is it named ? |
| 14:34.53 | zygis | stop-bootlogd from init.d dir |
| 14:34.56 | MoDaX | silensius: edit permissions. kdeprint -> print server -> configure server -> security |
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| 14:36.15 | MoDaX | silensius: adding yourself to the 'lpdadmin' group may be enough |
| 14:36.15 | silensius | Modax must i add all users |
| 14:36.25 | silensius | i have do it |
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| 14:37.08 | MoDaX | silensius: you can set that anyone connecting from 127.0.0.1 (localhost) is allowed |
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| 14:37.28 | silensius | ok |
| 14:37.30 | silensius | i try |
| 14:37.55 | SimonRaven | it's one of those weird sundays that it's abnormally quiet... |
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| 14:38.08 | asg | SimonRaven: indeed |
| 14:38.17 | abrotman | SimonRaven: turn on join/quit |
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| 14:38.38 | SimonRaven | no, then my stress level goes up because of all those spam bot joins/quits |
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| 14:39.11 | gnsgu | tem algum brasileiro aki |
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| 14:39.22 | asg | gnsgu: no, /join #debian-br |
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| 14:39.29 | gnsgu | ok |
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| 14:43.14 | etchian | It is indeed very quiet |
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| 14:45.41 | asg | !wb Yoe |
| 14:45.42 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Yoe has returned! |
| 14:45.49 | Yoe | heh |
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| 14:45.55 | pmiller9 | does anyone have experience w/ the Linux HPET interface? |
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| 14:49.53 | abrotman | !hpet |
| 14:50.02 | Yoe | Hmm. There's a web log analyzing tool that I used to use a while ago, but I can't remember what it was. It's not webalizer, but it's quite popular. |
| 14:50.04 | Yoe | any hints? |
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| 14:50.53 | findme | wwwstat |
| 14:50.59 | findme | apt-cache search log |
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| 14:51.12 | pmiller9 | I'm wondering if I need any special hardware to use the hpet interface... |
| 14:51.15 | Yoe | that produces a slight bit too much output to be helpful |
| 14:51.17 | fox-boy | MoDax: /usr/bin/lpr -P 'EPSON 740' '-#1' lpr EPSON 740 printer unkown. Any ideas? |
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| 14:51.51 | m2 | fox-boy: is the name of the printer really 'epson 740'? |
| 14:52.08 | m2 | fox-boy: try lpstat -a |
| 14:52.11 | MaxPower | hey could i get a hand with parted please? im trying to resize the primary linux partition but its saying i must unmount it but if i unmount it and reboot its not going to restart right? |
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| 14:52.58 | MaxPower | should i just make another linux partition and mount that? |
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| 14:53.16 | MoDaX | MaxPower: boot from livecd and resize then |
| 14:53.20 | fox-boy | EPSON Stylus Color 740... does the config routine rely on the specific name of the printer? |
| 14:53.38 | m2 | MaxPower: I think knoppix included qtparted |
| 14:53.39 | MaxPower | MoDaX, i cant cos the server doesnt have a cdrom or floppy |
| 14:54.30 | fox-boy | m2: lpstat -a returns command not found |
| 14:54.36 | findme | usb ? |
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| 14:54.50 | MaxPower | i dont have a usb key |
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| 14:55.01 | MoDaX | MaxPower: switch to single user mode and try then. but it's more dangerous then livecd |
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| 14:55.15 | antgel | !test |
| 14:55.15 | dpkg | Sorry, antgel, I didn't get your test. |
| 14:55.23 | antgel | have mtu issues :/ |
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| 14:55.29 | MaxPower | MoDaX, thanks |
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| 14:56.03 | MoDaX | MaxPower: you can't resize mounted partition, but can't also unmount / file system. that's the problem you're facing |
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| 14:56.28 | resiak | MoDaX: You can resize ext3 or xfs while they're mounted, AIUI :) |
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| 14:56.48 | MaxPower | AIUI? |
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| 14:56.52 | Yoe | ah, found it: awstats |
| 14:57.00 | MaxPower | ok ill try a apt-get |
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| 14:57.03 | MoDaX | resiak: are you sure? |
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| 14:57.22 | resiak | MoDaX: I have heard it said that this is possible. It may be only with LVM. |
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| 14:58.00 | MaxPower | hmmm i may be safer just making anther linux partition and mounting it for a backup |
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| 14:58.30 | MaxPower | cos i dont feel like having to reinstall debian again |
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| 14:58.42 | MaxPower | thanks for your help |
| 14:58.52 | resiak | Yes, that's the right course of action anyway :) |
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| 14:59.23 | polm | I have a package that will not install due to a dependancy failure. Apt-get contiunes to prompt me to install this package. How can I cancel all attempts to install this package? |
| 14:59.39 | at0m|c | MaxPower, resizing a partition can be done from a live cd |
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| 14:59.44 | bob2 | polm: er |
| 14:59.50 | openback | hi, can someone point me somewhere that explains how to turn a src tar.gz into a .deb? |
| 14:59.52 | resiak | polm: apt-get remove deadpackage ? |
| 14:59.55 | resiak | !nmg |
| 14:59.55 | dpkg | nmg is, like, see dnm |
| 14:59.57 | bob2 | polm: you mean you installed it with dpkg and now apt complains your system is broken? |
| 14:59.57 | resiak | !dnm |
| 14:59.57 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 15:00.00 | resiak | openback: ^^ |
| 15:00.12 | resiak | dpkg: no, nmg is <reply> see dnm |
| 15:00.12 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 15:00.14 | bob2 | openback: not that it is not trivial |
| 15:00.20 | MaxPower | hmmm |
| 15:00.21 | mwilson | resiak: He'd never report this "dependency failure" as a bug, of course. |
| 15:00.21 | MaxPower | Warning: You requested to create a partition at 20002.807-78159.990Mb. The |
| 15:00.21 | MaxPower | closest Parted can manage is 78159.990-78160.021Mb. |
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| 15:00.40 | MaxPower | does this mean in going to only have a 5mb partition? |
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| 15:01.13 | openback | resiak, thanks...yowzer |
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| 15:01.21 | at0m|c | MaxPower, it means there's no room left to make a useable partition |
| 15:01.24 | openback | bob2, I believe you are right! |
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| 15:01.59 | polm | bob2: apt-get will not allow me to install other packages, right now. It complains about a dependancy failure for a program I recently tried to install. I am not even able to install that needed dependancy, becaues apt-get keeps griping about the original packages dependancy problem, asking me to run "apt-get -f install". |
| 15:02.04 | MaxPower | at0m|c, but i just deleted a ntfs partition, should i write that to disk before trying to make another partition? |
| 15:02.14 | at0m|c | yes |
| 15:02.27 | resiak | mwilson: Meh, it's probably not a Debian package |
| 15:02.34 | openback | hmm...mayne I can do it another way. I want to install wine, but I want to make sure I always have the latest one. How can I do that easily with sources? Is CVS the way? |
| 15:02.42 | MaxPower | ok thanks |
| 15:02.53 | at0m|c | only then the space will be free |
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| 15:06.35 | abrotman | is the MTU > 1500 standard for all dsl connections ? |
| 15:06.43 | Mardus | Oh hi. |
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| 15:07.08 | MaxPower | at0m|c should i make the partition a primary or logical? |
| 15:07.13 | takatumi | 3:45PM at the US Open would be GMT-? |
| 15:07.20 | Mardus | Does anyone know a proxy through which I could browse untraced? |
| 15:07.23 | asg | takatumi: 7:45PM |
| 15:07.31 | asg | takatumi: or -4 |
| 15:07.40 | MoDaX | MaxPower: the beginning of ext3 partition must stay fixed |
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| 15:07.44 | antgel | abrotman: we're now running mtu 1458, mru 1458, mss 1418. 'twas never a problem, until i switched the adsl modem router into bridge mode. |
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| 15:07.50 | takatumi | asg: danke. |
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| 15:07.57 | Lur | hello |
| 15:07.58 | SimonRaven | abrotman: er, < 1500 |
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| 15:08.07 | abrotman | whatever it is .. i don't have DSL |
| 15:08.16 | SimonRaven | abrotman: typical for dsl on eth+ is 1492 |
| 15:08.21 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:08.25 | SimonRaven | sometimes a bit lower |
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| 15:08.36 | abrotman | so why doesn't the pppoe package default to that ? |
| 15:08.37 | SimonRaven | mine's at 1452 for various reasons |
| 15:08.40 | antgel | abrotman: isp technical support was good, but only told me to change mtu. when i asked about mru and mss, he said leave them. fuckwit |
| 15:08.42 | SimonRaven | it does |
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| 15:08.48 | antgel | we use pppoa in the uk |
| 15:08.48 | MaxPower | MoDaX, i have unused space marked as an extended partition |
| 15:08.51 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you sure? |
| 15:09.02 | abrotman | i didn't think it did |
| 15:09.03 | fhffhqvb | !qotd0 |
| 15:09.03 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
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| 15:09.11 | MaxPower | MoDaX, Minor Start End Type Filesystem Flags |
| 15:09.11 | MaxPower | 1 0.031 18026.059 primary ext3 |
| 15:09.12 | MaxPower | 2 18026.060 78159.990 extended lba |
| 15:09.12 | MaxPower | 5 18026.090 20002.807 logical linux-swap |
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| 15:09.14 | Lur | anyone know of any good command line aim clients |
| 15:09.16 | SimonRaven | you don't usual need to clamp mtu to mss, but with some braindead peers you do |
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| 15:09.31 | asg | Lur: bitlbee (irc -> im gateway so you can use a real client) |
| 15:09.35 | resiak | Lur: centericq, or bitlbee. |
| 15:09.39 | MaxPower | MoDaX back.. |
| 15:09.44 | resiak | Lur: Or indeed any console Jabber client. |
| 15:09.48 | SimonRaven | well, it did here. but i set it manually eventually due to the 1452 i need |
| 15:09.55 | MoDaX | MaxPower: which one do you want to resize? |
| 15:10.04 | abrotman | MaxPower: DON"T PASTE |
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| 15:10.08 | Lur | thanks |
| 15:10.10 | fhffhqvb | for some reason, kawfee has been /msg'ing random people in here, including me, asking why he's banned. i hope he dies. |
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| 15:10.24 | Lur | I have heard of and trie naim, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 15:10.26 | resiak | What did kawfee do? |
| 15:10.27 | MaxPower | MoDaX Ive given up on trying to resize and i would like to make another linux partition to use the space |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: because you did it! |
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| 15:10.40 | abrotman | resiak: he's responsible for many bad things |
| 15:10.44 | abrotman | !kawfee |
| 15:10.44 | dpkg | methinks kawfee is KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier |
| 15:10.46 | fhffhqvb | resiak: apart from crapflooding the channel and DoSing me with pings? |
| 15:10.47 | resiak | I see |
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| 15:11.12 | SimonRaven | luck |
| 15:11.18 | MaxPower | gluck |
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| 15:11.36 | resiak | antgel: Don't touch that button! |
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| 15:11.56 | MoDaX | MaxPower: then make a logical partition or resize extended first if you want to make primary one |
| 15:12.05 | elusive | can anyone help me with some vhdl doubts? |
| 15:12.06 | stew | !bless antgel |
| 15:12.06 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child antgel, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 15:12.13 | Mardus | bye |
| 15:12.16 | resiak | !tell elusive -about ask |
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| 15:12.58 | svizzero | anyone knows how to install opengl on debian? ( I need the gl.h include file) |
| 15:13.01 | elusive | I do not know how to do vhdl in Linux... I learned at the college only how to do on Altera software... can anyone tell me? |
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| 15:13.17 | resiak | elusive: What is VHDL? |
| 15:13.28 | polm | I cannot get udev to upgrade. I get a dependanc issue: " hal: Depends: udev (>= 0.063) but 0.056-3 is to be installed" ?? |
| 15:13.30 | elusive | resiak , language for hardware description |
| 15:13.31 | asg | resiak: virtual hardware description language |
| 15:13.43 | asg | or visual |
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| 15:13.53 | resiak | I see. |
| 15:13.55 | MoDaX | svizzero: search for that file on packages.debian.org |
| 15:14.23 | elusive | asg , actually, it is something like: Very fast Hardware Description Language, i think |
| 15:14.39 | asg | elusive: yes, VHSIC HDL |
| 15:14.48 | asg | elusive: embedded acronyms, very clever |
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| 15:14.55 | elusive | asg , can you help me? |
| 15:15.15 | asg | elusive: sorry, I try to stay away from the hardware as much as possible :) |
| 15:15.15 | antgel | now we're talking |
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| 15:15.31 | elusive | asg, it is just a simple doubt... |
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| 15:15.37 | asg | elusive: though apt-cache search vhdl brings up some hits |
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| 15:15.48 | elusive | asg , not exactly about the language... |
| 15:15.53 | MaxPower | its weird, fdisk is overlapping the partition with the swap partition |
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| 15:15.58 | rebecca_lappy | hey, im using i386 sarge. where can i find repositories for non-gnu stuff? |
| 15:16.14 | asg | rebecca_lappy: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:16.33 | rebecca_lappy | asg: thanks :)' |
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| 15:16.48 | asg | rebecca_lappy: most of debian is non-gnu stuff anyway |
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| 15:16.51 | elusive | asg, on altera, I just have to code the vhdl, and simulate it... on linux, I read something about coding a testbench, but I do not know what the hell is this testbench |
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| 15:17.00 | War2 | Got this from apt-get upgrade. I am remotely SSHing into the box. How safe is this: "E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option." |
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| 15:17.28 | abrotman | War2: not my machine .. but id' not do it |
| 15:17.32 | asg | elusive: not sure. did you try 'apt-cache search vhdl'? Some of those packages may provide similar functionality |
| 15:17.33 | Coke | I'm trying to run the realtime-lsm module with parameter gid=29 (as described in the README and several HOWTO's), but dmesg tells me "gid" is not a valid parameter. What is it I don't understand? |
| 15:17.45 | elusive | asg , yeah, I tried |
| 15:18.01 | War2 | abrotman: hm, that is holding up an upgrade of 156 packages. :( |
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| 15:18.27 | abrotman | War2: in sid ? |
| 15:18.32 | rebecca_lappy | asg: i want all those libraries for playing proprietry multimedia formats |
| 15:18.33 | asg | elusive: hmmm, I don't know then. There is a #vhdl with 2 people in, maybe they have a /topic that provides more info. |
| 15:18.40 | asg | rebecca_lappy: oh, /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 15:18.44 | asg | rebecca_lappy: oh, /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 15:18.48 | elusive | asg , one of them, is me |
| 15:18.49 | elusive | heh |
| 15:18.57 | asg | hah |
| 15:19.01 | War2 | abrotman: It's running 'testing', so that would be etch. |
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| 15:19.29 | abrotman | War2: seems like a super bad thing to do .. |
| 15:19.32 | asg | elusive: you might ask on the debian-user mailing list, someone there might know. |
| 15:19.40 | rebecca_lappy | asg: was i you who answered some laptop questions i had the other day? |
| 15:19.43 | MoDaX | War2: if smth goes wrong, it is likely that your pc won't boot with that package |
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| 15:19.54 | asg | rebecca_lappy: possibly |
| 15:19.54 | MoDaX | war2: s/with/without/ |
| 15:19.55 | elusive | asg , ok... thank you very much |
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| 15:19.58 | War2 | abrotman: yep, I'm not proceeding with this step. Just wondering if there's a way to bypass this. |
| 15:20.03 | asg | elusive: you're welcome |
| 15:20.10 | abrotman | War2: are you apt-get upgrade .. or dist-upgrade ? |
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| 15:20.26 | War2 | abrotman: apt-get upgrade |
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| 15:20.35 | asg | rebecca_lappy: I talk to a lot of people on here so it gets kind of hard to keep track. |
| 15:20.35 | rebecca_lappy | asg: well, the xircom card worked perfectly with netinstall :D |
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| 15:20.44 | asg | rebecca_lappy: ah, then yes. Glad that worked. |
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| 15:20.52 | abrotman | War2: you could contact the maintainer |
| 15:20.53 | antgel | lot of people seeing this force-loopbreak problem |
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| 15:21.34 | antgel | !bugs 325834 |
| 15:21.37 | dpkg | #325834:N[e2fsprogs] apt-get install e2fsprogs get a Conflicts Pre-Depends loop error; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:48:02 UTC |
| 15:21.44 | War2 | hm, I would just selectively upgrade the important (i.e. server processes ... apache / ssh) packages and see if that goes without problem. |
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| 15:22.39 | antgel | !btssmite War2 |
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| 15:22.52 | War2 | antgel: Running 'testing'. |
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| 15:23.05 | abrotman | War2: still applies |
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| 15:23.10 | War2 | :) |
| 15:23.20 | antgel | War2: yep, the factoid is misleading. you luckily miss out on the chainsaw. |
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| 15:24.06 | antgel | if i knew how to write a smite, i'd fix it |
| 15:24.08 | abrotman | War2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325834 |
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| 15:24.57 | War2 | hm |
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| 15:26.23 | hejux_ | hh |
| 15:26.28 | abrotman | War2: make sense ? |
| 15:26.33 | MaxPower | hi, why is it that a partition which is win95 extended is overlapping the linux swap partition in fdisk please? |
| 15:26.33 | War2 | yep |
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| 15:27.12 | antgel | MaxPower: perhaps you're misreading the fdisk -l output |
| 15:27.20 | mwilson | MaxPower: Because those are the numbers you put in. |
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| 15:28.34 | MaxPower | mwilson nar, i deleted a ntfs partition and instead of using that space as free space its called it a win95 extended partition |
| 15:28.40 | MaxPower | im not misreading |
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| 15:28.52 | MaxPower | look.. |
| 15:28.54 | MaxPower | /dev/hda2 2299 9964 61577145 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 15:28.54 | antgel | MaxPower: you said it was overlapping. |
| 15:28.54 | evil_andy | can anyone help me set up bind9? I've set up bind on RH7.3 but I tried setting it up on debian, and i think I might be missing a few things... |
| 15:28.54 | MaxPower | /dev/hda5 2299 2550 2024158+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 15:28.57 | antgel | o-O |
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| 15:29.10 | evil_andy | I'm using debian 3.1 |
| 15:29.16 | evil_andy | thanks |
| 15:29.27 | MaxPower | u see what i mean? |
| 15:29.34 | asg | evil_andy: what are you missing? apt-get install bind9 |
| 15:29.41 | antgel | MaxPower: are you sure you should be dealing with partitions? |
| 15:29.52 | MaxPower | yup |
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| 15:30.21 | MaxPower | otherwise i will have 60gig of space sitting there which i wont be able to do anything with |
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| 15:30.23 | evil_andy | asg, basically I set up a new zone (linuxboy.local) for my local net, and set the nameserver as myself, but whenever I try to host anything (or dig or whatnot) I get a SERVFAIL error |
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| 15:30.34 | evil_andy | 2 |
| 15:30.35 | antgel | MaxPower: the hda2 is probably an extended partition, which can contain other partitions. but don't take my word for it. |
| 15:30.37 | evil_andy | oops |
| 15:30.54 | antgel | evil_andy: do you have a DNS server running? |
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| 15:31.10 | evil_andy | named is running on the machine |
| 15:31.17 | MaxPower | antgel, thanks but is it normal to overlap the starts like that? |
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| 15:31.27 | dodecahedron | zsh parses .profile when a user logins because it's compatible with ksh right ? |
| 15:31.33 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 15:31.43 | asg | dodecahedron: man zsh, /INVOCATION |
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| 15:32.21 | asg | dodecahedron: the next section after that explains COMPATIBILITY |
| 15:32.24 | theD3viL | Why cant i play two sound at each time even i have dmix?! |
| 15:32.25 | Lur | I tried centericq. When I try to connect to aim, it just says "Connecting to the server" then "password sent" |
| 15:32.28 | dodecahedron | asg: Good answer now if only everyone answered with a RTFM I would be happy |
| 15:32.29 | jeffrin | how to remove a file from cvs server |
| 15:32.30 | Lur | then it doesn't connect me |
| 15:32.42 | Anthro | I'm having trouble with Firefox (1.0.4-2 from etch, this isn't a sarge problem). Whenever I try to make it do anything (open a tab, close a tab, reload a page, follow a link, show a toolbar, etc.) it spikes the CPU and hangs for a moment. When I attach strace to it, it seems to be calling gettimeofday() over and over and over. Then again, it does this when it isn't hanging. Any ideas? |
| 15:32.44 | evil_andy | asg, I have the following in my named.conf.local file |
| 15:32.47 | evil_andy | zone "linuxboy.local" { |
| 15:32.47 | evil_andy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.47 | evil_andy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.47 | evil_andy | }; |
| 15:32.53 | antgel | evil_andy: can you nslookup (or dig, whatever) external sites? |
| 15:33.01 | evil_andy | yeah |
| 15:33.07 | evil_andy | the caching ns works fine |
| 15:33.15 | evil_andy | it's the other part that doesn't |
| 15:33.17 | asg | dodecahedron: oh come on |
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| 15:33.27 | antgel | evil_andy: the file is called /etc/bind/db.linuxboy.local? no .zone at the end? |
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| 15:33.46 | dodecahedron | asg: I'm not kidding |
| 15:33.56 | evil_andy | antgel, yeah, I didn't put a .zone at the end. probably breaking some naming scheme, but it should still work right? |
| 15:33.57 | dodecahedron | asg: Anyway, it seems to me zsh uses .zprofile instead of .profile |
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| 15:34.14 | brasil | hi |
| 15:34.26 | antgel | evil_andy: if it's the correct name, yes. are you digging for hostname or hostname.linuxboy.local? |
| 15:34.39 | evil_andy | antgel, I'm actually diging for linuxboy.local |
| 15:34.41 | SimonRaven | .zshrc .zprofile .zlogin .zlogout .zshenv |
| 15:34.53 | evil_andy | (hostname.linuxboy.local doesn't work either) |
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| 15:35.03 | asg | dodecahedron: yes, it will use .zprofile if it exists and only .profile if not (for compatibility reasons.) If you want .profile used as well, just source it from .zprofile |
| 15:35.17 | abrotman | how does the -123123 on a filesystem get fixed ? |
| 15:35.24 | antgel | evil_andy: i don't know how dig works. i still use nslookup. you have search linuxboy.local in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 15:35.24 | abrotman | wow .. that was vauge |
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| 15:35.35 | antgel | !smite abrotman |
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| 15:35.38 | abrotman | yeah |
| 15:35.46 | evil_andy | antget yep |
| 15:35.49 | abrotman | when you get negative free space on a filesystem .. how does one fix that? |
| 15:35.52 | dodecahedron | dpkg: Frenchmen ? |
| 15:36.03 | evil_andy | nslookup bloo.linuxboy.local |
| 15:36.03 | evil_andy | Server: 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:36.03 | evil_andy | Address: 127.0.0.1#53 |
| 15:36.03 | evil_andy | ** server can't find bloo.linuxboy.local: SERVFAIL |
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| 15:36.20 | asg | abrotman: that usually happens when you have an incompatible glibc |
| 15:36.22 | evil_andy | oops. |
| 15:36.26 | mortum | hi |
| 15:36.37 | abrotman | asg: hrm .. ok .. someone else is having the issue . and i've never had it |
| 15:36.41 | antgel | evil_andy: have you checked the logs on bind startup for errors in the zone file. also if you've had a few cracks at the zone file, have you incremented the version number each time? |
| 15:36.59 | antgel | !topicsmite evil_andy |
| 15:37.00 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon evil_andy. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 15:37.10 | evil_andy | antgel, yeah, I just read it :P |
| 15:37.24 | antgel | evil_andy: did you see what i wrote about logs and version numbers? |
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| 15:37.26 | asg | abrotman: if spoopin comes in, tell him beers at 3, usual place, and call me on the cell. :) danke |
| 15:37.38 | abrotman | asg: erm .. ok :) |
| 15:37.39 | evil_andy | antgel, and I only did one version of the zone file (it's just copied over from bind on rh7.3) but let me check the error logs |
| 15:37.45 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 15:37.49 | abrotman | asg: but he's here now |
| 15:37.55 | abrotman | spoopin: wake up! |
| 15:38.30 | abrotman | spoopin: i have an important message for you! |
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| 15:38.53 | evil_andy | antgel, where is the error log for bind? |
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| 15:39.18 | antgel | evil_andy: probably logs to /var/log/syslog. tail -f when you restart bind |
| 15:39.22 | evil_andy | ahh |
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| 15:39.46 | evil_andy | no errors there |
| 15:39.58 | evil_andy | no messages about bind either |
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| 15:40.44 | antgel | evil_andy: grep named /var/log/syslog |
| 15:40.59 | evil_andy | ahh |
| 15:41.05 | evil_andy | nm |
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| 15:42.17 | evil_andy | hmmm |
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| 15:43.29 | evil_andy | ok, it's giving me an error with this section of the file |
| 15:43.56 | evil_andy | umm I guess I'll throw it in flood |
| 15:44.08 | abrotman | evil_andy: oh no .. paste here again .. see what happens :) |
| 15:44.10 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:44.10 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 15:44.20 | Coke | Hello. I'm trying to load the LSM driver with modprobe realtime gid=29, but it says "Unknown parameter" for "gid". Are the HOWTO's wrong or what am I missing? |
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| 15:44.33 | abrotman | Coke: try modinfo |
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| 15:44.47 | evil_andy | lol |
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| 15:45.19 | evil_andy | I suppose that worked? |
| 15:45.26 | abrotman | what did ? |
| 15:45.30 | jeffrin | how to make changes in cvs server |
| 15:45.33 | evil_andy | pasting to flood |
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| 15:45.38 | jeffrin | i mean remove a flile |
| 15:45.41 | abrotman | evil_andy: you have to tell us before you paste :) |
| 15:45.43 | Coke | abrotman: doesn't say anything about params |
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| 15:45.48 | evil_andy | hmm |
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| 15:45.54 | abrotman | Coke: maybe doesn't have any? |
| 15:46.01 | evil_andy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/648 |
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| 15:46.36 | abrotman | evil_andy: what's the error ? |
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| 15:46.44 | evil_andy | dns_rdata_fromtext: /etc/bind/db.linuxboy.local:3: near '8H': not a valid number |
| 15:46.49 | antgel | evil_andy: it's a pig's dinner |
| 15:47.04 | Coke | abrotman: according to it's own manual and all the HOWTO |
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| 15:47.11 | evil_andy | antgel, hmm? |
| 15:47.13 | Coke | abrotman: it also defines it in the source code. |
| 15:47.25 | abrotman | i thought modinfo would define all options |
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| 15:47.30 | antgel | evil_andy: what do mean by linuxboy.local. after SOA? |
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| 15:47.40 | evil_andy | ummm... that's the domain? |
| 15:47.52 | evil_andy | I guess. the machine is called "linuxboy.local" |
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| 15:48.01 | antgel | evil_andy: yes. have you read the rfc? |
| 15:48.03 | evil_andy | and has a cname for noodles (the other name I call it) |
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| 15:48.09 | evil_andy | probably not |
| 15:48.11 | antgel | evil_andy: just kidding. even i know you haven't |
| 15:48.15 | evil_andy | :-P |
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| 15:48.22 | MaxPower | wh000t |
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| 15:48.26 | MaxPower | i figured it out |
| 15:48.30 | evil_andy | I've probably started it... and... stopped quickly ;) |
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| 15:48.42 | MaxPower | i dont think u can have 2 primary partitions hehe |
| 15:48.54 | MaxPower | so i made it an extended partition and it worked |
| 15:49.12 | evil_andy | so it just doesn't like the "8H" I guess... |
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| 15:49.29 | antgel | evil_andy: after the SOA, you should have _two_ things. first is nameserver. then a space. then the hostmaster email address with a . instead of the @ |
| 15:49.38 | MaxPower | and setup fstab to mount it as /home/windows/backup |
| 15:49.41 | antgel | evil_andy: wayforth.local IN SOA neil.wayforth.local. hostmaster.wayforth.local. ( |
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| 15:50.03 | antgel | evil_andy: note full stops at ends of both. |
| 15:50.25 | antgel | evil_andy: and your NS record isn't a name server. should look like this |
| 15:50.34 | antgel | evil_andy: NS neil.wayforth.local. |
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| 15:50.54 | antgel | evil_andy: again note full stop at end. i don't have a clue how that fuckin worked on redhat |
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| 15:51.15 | evil_andy | so I should replace the @ with the domainname? |
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| 15:51.30 | antgel | evil_andy: did i say that? |
| 15:51.47 | evil_andy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:51.58 | evil_andy | I have @ IN SOA etc etc |
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| 15:52.38 | antgel | evil_andy: aha. you can use @ if the domain is the one referred to in the zone directive of named.conf, which it is in your case. |
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| 15:52.49 | evil_andy | ok. |
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| 15:53.06 | axs | hi folks, how can I force eth0 to work only on 10 megabits/s ? otherwise I don't get any signal, like if the cable is unplugged. under windows it's easy, but the debian.. |
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| 15:53.18 | seemawn | hi |
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| 15:53.28 | evil_andy | lets see if this works... |
| 15:53.29 | antgel | evil_andy: my @ got overwritten as my zonefile gets updated by dhcp |
| 15:53.40 | seemawn | i try to replace the libxine-package from debian by a self-built-one.- |
| 15:53.55 | evil_andy | ahh |
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| 15:54.12 | antgel | evil_andy: i highly recommend "dns and bind" by oreilly :P |
| 15:54.12 | evil_andy | sweet! it works! thanks...now to do the reverse zone... |
| 15:54.13 | seemawn | but I have to force deinstalling xine, because over a long way, gnome depends on lib-xine. |
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| 15:54.24 | abrotman | axs: mii-tool or ethtool ? |
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| 15:54.43 | evil_andy | antgel, I have the BIND book (by oreilly) at home, came with the networking CD bookshelf... actually... where IS that bookshelf... |
| 15:54.44 | axs | abrotman, are they installed my default ? (I hope they are) |
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| 15:54.49 | seemawn | How can I replace xine that dpkg detect the package as a full dependency? |
| 15:54.59 | jeffrin | someone please help me with cvs |
| 15:55.00 | abrotman | axs: mii-tool is i think |
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| 15:55.04 | mwilson | seemawn: You don't. |
| 15:55.16 | abrotman | jeffrin: you have to ask |
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| 15:55.20 | axs | abrotman, ok, I'll try it, thanks |
| 15:55.35 | mwilson | seemawn: If you think libxine should be built differently, then build the package differently. But you still need the package to be there. |
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| 15:56.16 | seemawn | mwilson: the xine-package from the source is somewhat newer. |
| 15:56.19 | jeffrin | abrotman : see this... cvs rm TODO |
| 15:56.20 | jeffrin | ahiliation@cvs.berlios.de's password: |
| 15:56.20 | jeffrin | cvs server: nothing known about `TODO' |
| 15:56.31 | mwilson | seemawn: <shrug> If you say so. |
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| 15:56.37 | abrotman | jeffrin: #cvs ? |
| 15:56.38 | fantomas | Hi. My question is about edonkey and is probably an offtopic here, sorry. My friend works in an organization where LAN is really vast. Using p2p clients is forbidden in this network by administration. They say the reason is that p2p clients produces great superfluous traffic. Is it ture and where can I read about this? Thanks in advance. |
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| 15:56.45 | seemawn | but it works, naming the package libxine1 solves all problems related to dependencies |
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| 15:56.46 | cyzie | anybody know how to forward X from server to the client where both server and client using kde environment ? |
| 15:56.57 | jeffrin | abrotman : #cvs did not answer me |
| 15:56.59 | antgel | fantomas: google |
| 15:57.01 | SimonRaven | jeffrin: man page isn't helping? too dense (the man page i mean) |
| 15:57.02 | brullo | I am looking for a nicely supported (atheros/madWIFI) WLAN NIC PC CARD with 802.11ABG support. Which manufacturer should I choose? |
| 15:57.03 | abrotman | fantomas: they do .. especially depending on the typeof p2p |
| 15:57.04 | SimonRaven | ? |
| 15:57.11 | seemawn | damn whats wrong building packages from source!? |
| 15:57.11 | Zenethian | fantomas: yes its true, and you're right, its off tipic. Google will explain. Look up the edonkey protocol on google. |
| 15:57.13 | jvw | fantomas: p2p can indeed cause a lot of traffic |
| 15:57.28 | resiak | seemawn: It's fine, as long as you tell dpkg that the package is there. |
| 15:57.36 | mwilson | seemawn: Did I say there was anything wrong with building things from source? |
| 15:57.38 | jvw | fantomas: and therefore is generally, especially in corporate settings, forbidden (most usages are illegal by law, too) |
| 15:57.44 | resiak | seemawn: The cleanest way is to build a new libxine deb. The other way is to use equivs. |
| 15:57.55 | resiak | !tell seemawn -about equivs |
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| 15:58.13 | mwilson | resiak: He's not building packages from source, he's building the sources himself and somehow surprised that things don't like it much. |
| 15:58.25 | resiak | mwilson: So he should roll himself a .deb. |
| 15:58.36 | antgel | and then smoke it |
| 15:58.42 | resiak | antgel: Did it come back up? |
| 15:58.49 | antgel | resiak: what? |
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| 15:59.03 | cuse2 | Hey, anyone already using XORG? Is it useable now? |
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| 15:59.09 | mwilson | I'm waiting for why it's so life-and-death important that he have this particular version of xine rather than the packaged one. |
| 15:59.11 | antgel | !tell cuse2 about anyone |
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| 15:59.30 | antgel | cuse2: /topic |
| 15:59.32 | seemawn | ah thx @ equivs |
| 15:59.33 | Zenethian | cuse2: I am. it works. kthx |
| 15:59.34 | mwilson | cuse2: When was Xorg not "usable"? It's over 95% XFree code. |
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| 16:00.01 | amphi | cuse2: I'm using the sarge backport here |
| 16:00.08 | cuse2 | mwilson: well there was a note in the #debian topic weeks ago which recommended not to install xorg yet |
| 16:00.23 | amphi | cuse2: it's not official |
| 16:00.24 | antgel | cuse2: do you need xorg? |
| 16:00.26 | resiak | antgel: Oh, it wasn't you that was restarting your gateway ? |
| 16:00.28 | Zenethian | honestly I don't see what is better about xorg than xfree, except the license. |
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| 16:00.36 | resiak | Zenethian: It has i855 drivers! |
| 16:00.42 | abrotman | Zenethian: some of the drivers are updated |
| 16:00.43 | Zenethian | Woo. |
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| 16:00.46 | antgel | resiak: oh yeah, ancient history now. it must have worked, i'm here aren't i? |
| 16:00.46 | Zenethian | :) |
| 16:00.55 | cuse2 | antgel: "need"? hahaha, no but I like play with the new features |
| 16:01.02 | Zenethian | That's why I said that *I* didn't see a difference. :D |
| 16:01.06 | resiak | antgel: I see. |
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| 16:01.38 | Dazgard | hi |
| 16:01.39 | amphi | Zenethian: the xorg radeon driver supports 3d accel on my laptop, which xfree86 doesn't AFAIK |
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| 16:02.04 | Zenethian | yay |
| 16:02.07 | antgel | resiak: just that the problem was so fucking frustrating. i'm scarred by an mtu issue on the first linux firewall i installed many years ago. it turned out to not be mtu. it was a bad ethernet cable. weeks it took me to figure that one out. |
| 16:02.29 | Dazgard | i got a disk error and after that, i got this message : |
| 16:02.30 | resiak | antgel: I see. |
| 16:02.32 | Dazgard | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libdevmapper1.01' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 16:02.33 | mwilson | How does it take weeks to swap a cable? |
| 16:02.39 | Dazgard | for every installed package |
| 16:02.45 | abrotman | mwilson: transatlantic cable |
| 16:02.48 | Dazgard | how cxan i get ride of it please |
| 16:02.55 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 16:02.55 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 16:02.57 | antgel | mwilson: your sarcasm is mildly amusing on rare occasion when it's not aimed at me |
| 16:02.59 | resiak | Dazgard: Get a new disk and restore from backups ? |
| 16:02.59 | mwilson | Dazgard: Been deleting random files, huh? |
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| 16:03.08 | resiak | mwilson: 17:04 Dazgard : i got a disk error and after that, i got this message : |
| 16:03.11 | valdyn | Dazgard: what dpkg said |
| 16:03.15 | resiak | mwilson: So no, he hasn't, apparently. :) |
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| 16:03.18 | Dazgard | resiak: backups ? |
| 16:03.19 | mwilson | antgel: What sarcasm? |
| 16:03.19 | Dazgard | lol |
| 16:03.25 | resiak | Dazgard: ... |
| 16:03.27 | Dazgard | i don't have any man |
| 16:03.28 | resiak | Dazgard: Yes, your backups. |
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| 16:03.33 | resiak | Oh noz! |
| 16:03.39 | resiak | !unix lessons |
| 16:03.39 | dpkg | [unix lessons] (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 16:03.51 | Dazgard | valdyn: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libscrollkeeper0' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed |
| 16:03.57 | antgel | Dazgard: you're gonna have to redownload all that pr0n |
| 16:04.10 | syuusuke | Question, what plugin do I need to play Windows media streams online in firefox browser? |
| 16:04.12 | valdyn | Dazgard: no need to repeat |
| 16:04.16 | resiak | Dazgard: Get a livecd out, rescue what you need, then reinstall. |
| 16:04.50 | Dazgard | even if reinstalling the software, the message is still there |
| 16:05.09 | antgel | syuusuke: you need the mplayer plugin. be warned, it crashes more times than it doesn't |
| 16:05.11 | resiak | Reinstall Debian! |
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| 16:05.17 | Dazgard | apt-get install --reinstall xxx does not help |
| 16:05.20 | resiak | Reinstall Debian! |
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| 16:05.39 | syuusuke | is that the best solution antgel? |
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| 16:05.46 | Dazgard | resiak: :s |
| 16:05.47 | antgel | syuusuke: no, it's the 37th best |
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| 16:05.57 | syuusuke | lol wth.. ok |
| 16:05.58 | resiak | Dazgard: What was the disk error ? |
| 16:06.03 | Dazgard | there's no other than a system reinstall ? |
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| 16:06.13 | Zenethian | that reminds me |
| 16:06.17 | Zenethian | I need to do some backups |
| 16:06.21 | valdyn | syuusuke: you can play those just the same with totem ( and probably various other players ) |
| 16:06.22 | Zenethian | which reminds me |
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| 16:06.28 | Zenethian | I need to get a dvd-rw drive |
| 16:06.31 | resiak | Dazgard: You might be able to replace the bits of dpkg that are munged. |
| 16:06.38 | Zenethian | or a tape drive |
| 16:06.38 | Zenethian | hrm |
| 16:06.49 | Dazgard | resiak: the computer's power supply was dying, so the disks was not funtionning well |
| 16:06.53 | resiak | ... |
| 16:06.53 | syuusuke | valdyn: does it play the video within the firefox browser? |
| 16:07.05 | Zenethian | Which reminds me, I should rearchitect my network to have remote /homes so that my individual boxes don't need backed up. |
| 16:07.06 | valdyn | syuusuke: nope |
| 16:07.08 | resiak | Dazgard: Did you get a new psu? |
| 16:07.10 | Zenethian | grr |
| 16:07.18 | Dazgard | resiak: yes, it's ok |
| 16:07.24 | syuusuke | valdyn: dang, i wanted one that plays within the browser :\ |
| 16:07.25 | resiak | Dazgard: I see. |
| 16:07.33 | resiak | Dazgard: You'll want to replace the dpkg package manually |
| 16:07.36 | resiak | Dazgard: (probably) |
| 16:07.50 | Dazgard | resiak: how do i do please ? |
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| 16:08.02 | resiak | Dazgard: I don't really know what you'll need to do to fix this. The cleanest solution would probably be /msg dpkg reinstall. It'd be faster, trust me. |
| 16:08.12 | Zenethian | mwilson: is it a pain in the ass keeping UID and GIDs in sync? |
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| 16:08.24 | Dazgard | sad news :s |
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| 16:08.52 | Dazgard | everything is working just fine, except the error |
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| 16:10.18 | rebecca_lappy | why is amule missing from the standard repositories? |
| 16:10.36 | mwilson | "Missing" implies it's supposed to be there in the first place. |
| 16:11.05 | mwilson | Unstable packages amule. Stable does not. |
| 16:11.13 | Ryushin | I'm compling the source packages for mythtv. I modified the rules file to add the extra configure option I needed. Where do I make the change to change the subversion of the package? |
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| 16:11.19 | ellobo | hi |
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| 16:11.38 | rebecca_lappy | mwilson: not even testing as amule? |
| 16:11.38 | jvw | rebecca_lappy: it was buggy when sarge was about to be released |
| 16:11.51 | jvw | rebecca_lappy: it's still buggy, even |
| 16:11.52 | mwilson | Ryushin: I suppose that would depend on who's unofficial packages you're using, since Debian doesn't package MythCrap. |
| 16:11.53 | m2 | Ryushin: debian/changelog |
| 16:11.56 | rebecca_lappy | ahhhh, ok |
| 16:11.59 | mwilson | Ryushin: Usually in the changelog file. |
| 16:12.15 | ellobo | don't know if this is the right place to ask... but: is there any way of preventing users from changing (some) settings in kde ? |
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| 16:12.45 | jvw | rebecca_lappy: well, it was fixed today, I see |
| 16:12.45 | m2 | Ryushin: uhm, you mean 1.0.2 -> 1.0.3 or 1.0.2-1 to 1.0.2-1.1 ? |
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| 16:12.59 | Ryushin | m2: exactly. |
| 16:13.07 | resiak | Dazgard: You probably want to rephrase your question, mentioning that everything apart from dpkg is working fine. I'm afraid I don't know a concise answer, and I have to go now (or I'd try to help you further). Good luck! |
| 16:13.10 | antgel | heh |
| 16:13.13 | m2 | Ryushin: that's an "or" question :-) |
| 16:13.29 | Ryushin | 1.0.2-1 to 1.0.2-1.1 |
| 16:13.43 | Dazgard | resiak: thanks man, i'll reinstall every single package |
| 16:13.45 | m2 | Ryushin: ah, that's debian/changelog |
| 16:13.45 | Dazgard | ;) |
| 16:13.53 | Ryushin | K. I'll go look at that. |
| 16:14.04 | tarzeau | best way to learn emacs is probably to export EDITOR=emacs |
| 16:14.07 | rebecca_lappy | jvw: does that mean it will make it's way into the sarge repositories soon> |
| 16:14.08 | rebecca_lappy | ? |
| 16:14.08 | resiak | Dazgard: There may be another way, but have a crack at that. |
| 16:14.32 | mwilson | rebecca_lappy: It means that it will never make its way into Sarge. |
| 16:14.50 | mwilson | rebecca_lappy: Sarge is a *release*. You don't add packages to releases. |
| 16:14.58 | rebecca_lappy | oh |
| 16:14.59 | rebecca_lappy | ok |
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| 16:15.10 | antgel | rebecca_lappy: www.debian.org/releases |
| 16:15.16 | jvw | rebecca_lappy: nope, it might show up in etch, though, when it's released |
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| 16:16.39 | rebecca_lappy | antgel: aahhh, i didnt know things were shuffled around |
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| 16:17.06 | antgel | rebecca_lappy: in what way? |
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| 16:18.57 | rebecca_lappy | antgel: wasnt sarge previously the testing distro? |
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| 16:19.26 | drac | every stable was testing at some point. :) |
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| 16:20.12 | antgel | rebecca_lappy: aha. yes. probably a good idea to read debian-announce. it's low traffic, one email every four years. :) |
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| 16:20.20 | keir | whats the debian eqiv. of /etc/conf.d/local.start? |
| 16:20.34 | rebecca_lappy | well.. then i guess im running etch then |
| 16:20.34 | seemawn | hi |
| 16:20.42 | rebecca_lappy | why isnt amule in etch? |
| 16:20.43 | antgel | keir: don't know, but perhaps bootmisc.sh? |
| 16:20.52 | seemawn | the action updating xine brang the effect I expected |
| 16:20.57 | seemawn | i can watch matrix III |
| 16:21.05 | keir | antgel, wheres that located? |
| 16:21.06 | seemawn | :) |
| 16:21.14 | antgel | keir: man locate |
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| 16:21.22 | keir | :P |
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| 16:21.45 | valdyn_ | !why is amule not in testing |
| 16:21.46 | dpkg | amule is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=amule |
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| 16:22.03 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:22.03 | dpkg | qotd94 is probably <rich_> One time I asked my grandma why she never smiled and she said that people who find everyrthing funny have a screw loose. <da_> grandma != debian lol |
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| 16:22.26 | tarzeau | hehe i like this one |
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| 16:24.17 | rebecca_lappy | valdyn_: oh.. funtastic |
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| 16:26.37 | rebecca_lappy | i have amule on another testing box.. but maybe it's from a contrib repo |
| 16:26.56 | rebecca_lappy | ill steal it's repo list |
| 16:27.00 | antgel | rebecca_lappy: or maybe it's from the time when amule was in testing before it got kicked out |
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| 16:27.39 | rebecca_lappy | antgel: ohh. i must admit it does crash occasionally. but it |
| 16:27.45 | rebecca_lappy | s ok otherwise :) |
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| 16:28.00 | lakcaj | What's the proper way to verify a CD after burning? |
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| 16:28.19 | lakcaj | I want to compare the md5sum of the new CD against the md5sum of the .iso |
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| 16:30.01 | antgel | lakcaj: i'm guessing you have to make a new .iso? |
| 16:30.17 | Aligma | Hi, I'm trying to send a voltage to a pin of my RS 232 com port, anyone got ideas of how to do this simply? I've been googling for an hour, and tried gcomm and some other stuff already .. |
| 16:30.27 | m2 | lakcaj: wild guess: md5sum /dev/cdrom |
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| 16:30.40 | antgel | Aligma: ah, a _proper_ computing question :) |
| 16:31.14 | Aligma | thanks :) I'm glad you like it .. got any ideas of how I can go about solving it? :D |
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| 16:32.55 | antgel | Aligma: what are you trying to do (in the bigger picture) |
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| 16:33.51 | lakcaj | m2, that gives an input/output error |
| 16:34.01 | Aligma | antgel I'm creating a point of sale system. I have a cash drawer which requires me to send a voltage down pin 9 of a com port |
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| 16:34.12 | Aligma | pin 3 sorry :P |
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| 16:34.45 | antgel | Aligma: how interesting. we just wrote a POS in perl/ncurses. sure you don't want to buy it? :) |
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| 16:34.55 | Aligma | aha |
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| 16:35.04 | Aligma | Does it have inventory management? |
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| 16:35.15 | antgel | Aligma: what language are you writing it in? |
| 16:35.26 | Aligma | antgel PHP ;) |
| 16:35.27 | antgel | Aligma: yeah, in a few weeks if you give us money. :) |
| 16:35.39 | antgel | !pal Aligma |
| 16:35.39 | Aligma | antgel Well I've got 8 hours 20 minutes left lol |
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| 16:36.23 | tarzeau | is there anyone working in a chemistry department? |
| 16:36.31 | Aligma | antgel, I've got it half working and I've spent 15 hours on it ... I've already got barcodes translating to product names, etc etc .. using DOM, XMLHttpRequest, postgres .. its going well |
| 16:36.33 | abrotman | admittedly .. just doing an inventory status thing in PHP isn't hard .. |
| 16:36.40 | antgel | Aligma: it comes down to whether the language you use has a serial api. knowing php, i'd eat my plums if it does. |
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| 16:36.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: i make smelly stuff! |
| 16:36.47 | Aligma | Well this even has a checkout page where you can scan stuff. |
| 16:36.57 | Aligma | antgel it doesn't matter - I can just use exec() |
| 16:37.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: what i want doesn't smell, but has other effects |
| 16:37.24 | tarzeau | and i want it in masses |
| 16:37.24 | Aligma | I just want a shell script or perl script that can fire the cash drawer .. I'm happy enough to write it myself if I but knew where to start.. |
| 16:37.29 | rebecca_lappy | Aligma: is it crucial what pin gets tweaked? |
| 16:37.34 | m2 | lakcaj: xcdroast includes a program called vrfytool |
| 16:37.38 | antgel | Aligma: then i suggest you write a program in a language of your choice, that sends the relevant escape codes to the port |
| 16:37.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: vodka ? |
| 16:37.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: you've never drunk vodka? |
| 16:38.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: not in a while |
| 16:38.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're funny, if i wanted vodka, i'd go to the shop around the corner. not ask for chemistry people |
| 16:38.15 | tarzeau | DUDE |
| 16:38.17 | Aligma | i've got QBasic code here but I don't understand how it translates to code in a real programming language ;) |
| 16:38.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm more of a tequila person |
| 16:38.26 | antgel | Aligma: it is most unlikely that the drawer manufacturers would expect you to manipulate the UART at pin level |
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| 16:38.29 | keyes | hello |
| 16:38.29 | tarzeau | Aligma: got the code online? |
| 16:38.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm a wine/beer person. actually i also like vodka and tequila , heh |
| 16:38.53 | antgel | Aligma: the drawer manufactures should tell you what codes to send to the serial port in order to make it do it's thing |
| 16:38.59 | lakcaj | m2, thanks, I'll look at that. Right now, I'm just going to mount the CD and the iso and diff them. |
| 16:39.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. i'm much more a beer person |
| 16:39.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: more than me? no way. |
| 16:39.09 | antgel | !beer abrotman |
| 16:39.13 | Aligma | tarzeau > open "com1:300,N,8,1" (next line) for random as #1 (next line) print #1, "0000000000" |
| 16:39.26 | tarzeau | Aligma: if you want to just print, why not just use lpr ? |
| 16:39.35 | m2 | Aligma: paste the Qbasic code somewhere |
| 16:39.35 | tarzeau | Aligma: on unix things work different |
| 16:39.52 | tarzeau | Aligma: wait you open a serial line at 300 ? |
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| 16:39.54 | Aligma | tarzeau I know they work differently ... I just thought that might give me a hint.. |
| 16:39.56 | tarzeau | Aligma: we're in 2005 |
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| 16:40.03 | antgel | Aligma: i really suggest you forget anything to do with qbasic NOW and write a little perl or if you must, c++ program, to open it |
| 16:40.11 | keyes | i've a problem with debian, gettext and bash, i've writed a shell script localized with gettext, if i type export TEXTDOMAINDIR=$(pwd)/lang/ LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 |
| 16:40.11 | keyes | export TEXTDOMAIN=eu in a shell and run my script messages are diplayed in french (i'm french), so i've include that in my script but mesages are in english, variables are not used :/ can you help me ? |
| 16:40.19 | tarzeau | Aligma: can you describe all your qbasic code in one sentence? |
| 16:40.20 | lakcaj | Apparently, pearl vodka is an excellent vodka that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I've been unable to find it, but I do like skyy and silent sam. |
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| 16:40.35 | Aligma | I couldn't even find a cpan module that deals with rs232 |
| 16:40.35 | abrotman | ok .. who can't spell guiness? |
| 16:40.37 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:40.39 | Aligma | I was devastated |
| 16:40.46 | tarzeau | antgel: i'd rather go with c, or objective-c |
| 16:40.50 | Aligma | that was my first idea antgel |
| 16:40.52 | tarzeau | antgel: or shell (instead of perl) |
| 16:41.01 | antgel | tarzeau: have fun :) |
| 16:41.04 | tarzeau | Aligma: what serial device is it? |
| 16:41.11 | Yoe | tarzeau: could you point me to an explanation of what objective-c actually is? |
| 16:41.11 | abrotman | dpkg: cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Guiness/Guinness/ |
| 16:41.11 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, abrotman |
| 16:41.12 | Aligma | com1 ... /dev/ttyS0 |
| 16:41.20 | m2 | Aligma: man tty_ioctl |
| 16:41.25 | antgel | abrotman: denied! |
| 16:41.26 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: Guin(n)ess is spelled wrong |
| 16:41.48 | tarzeau | Yoe: i will be glad to do so |
| 16:42.00 | abrotman | uneducated beer drinkers .. |
| 16:42.16 | tarzeau | Yoe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C and http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/objc/ |
| 16:42.36 | Aligma | thankyou m2! |
| 16:42.41 | Yoe | thx |
| 16:43.06 | tarzeau | Aligma: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Serial-Programming-HOWTO.html |
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| 16:43.54 | grelli | good morning everyone |
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| 16:44.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: my favourite: http://www.qolume.ch/gallery/03September05/img_0479 |
| 16:44.03 | humbug_ | is there a console client that supports both edk2k and bt ? |
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| 16:44.09 | humbug_ | other than mldonkey ? |
| 16:44.24 | tarzeau | grelli: it's ten to 7 pm here |
| 16:44.29 | nvz | wtf is edk2k |
| 16:44.38 | grelli | tarzeau: its 10:45 am here.... |
| 16:44.49 | grelli | but I just crawled out of bed so it's morning to me |
| 16:45.07 | antgel | Aligma: there is a perl serial module. i told you. use it. c++ will be painful if you're not already conditioned to thinking like a computer |
| 16:45.17 | nvz | bah, I crawled out of bed like 7 or 8 hours ago |
| 16:45.28 | tarzeau | nvz: about the same here |
| 16:45.32 | grelli | I crawled into bed 8 hours ago |
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| 16:45.46 | tarzeau | nvz: alone? |
| 16:45.56 | nvz | tarzeau: ? |
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| 16:46.06 | tarzeau | nvz: crawling out da bed |
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| 16:46.15 | humbug_ | nvz it's edonkey2000 ?lacking any common sense, eh ? |
| 16:46.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: you did that? |
| 16:46.18 | tarzeau | you never know with whom you'll wake up. heh |
| 16:46.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: nah, i drunk it only |
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| 16:46.28 | antgel | Aligma: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Device-SerialPort/SerialPort.pm |
| 16:46.34 | nvz | tarzeau: no the vienna boys choir and the state police were there when I woke up |
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| 16:46.47 | tarzeau | guess he's kidding |
| 16:46.53 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah I am kidding |
| 16:47.11 | abrotman | of course nvz is kidding .. why would the state police be there? |
| 16:47.19 | nvz | heh |
| 16:47.23 | grelli | I'm apparently drawing a blank on what else I was planning on changing on this debian install |
| 16:47.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe he's got drugs in his cellar |
| 16:47.39 | grelli | however, I have to say, I think I'm in love with module-assistant |
| 16:47.46 | rebecca_lappy | is it possible to turn a testing box into unstable without reinstalling? |
| 16:47.54 | tarzeau | rebecca_lappy: sure |
| 16:48.09 | nvz | maybe the state police showed up to arrest me for thinking about spanking that teenage girl across the street |
| 16:48.17 | m2 | rebecca_lappy: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace testing by unstable |
| 16:48.28 | antgel | rebecca_lappy: is this _just_ for amule? |
| 16:48.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: i didn't try to be humorous |
| 16:48.42 | nvz | she fuckin flashed me last night I couldnt believe it.. I thought I was imagining it at first. |
| 16:48.51 | rebecca_lappy | antgel: nope, other stuff too :) |
| 16:48.56 | Mage | hello, I've some problems connecting to website. In my tcpdump log I see messages like "IP truncated-ip - 1280 bytes missing" |
| 16:49.00 | Mage | what does that mean ? |
| 16:49.08 | Mage | and how can I resolve this ? |
| 16:49.23 | rebecca_lappy | m2: that isnt going to mess things up? apt will handle it gracefully? |
| 16:49.23 | Aligma | thankyou antgel .. I saw that before but I forgot about it D: |
| 16:49.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. you missed the joke |
| 16:49.30 | tarzeau | Mage: do you have adsl? |
| 16:49.34 | Mage | tarzeau: yes |
| 16:49.36 | abrotman | antgel: my detection is just fine :) |
| 16:49.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: probably, mind to explain it to me? |
| 16:49.45 | Mage | tarzeau: with pppoe |
| 16:49.54 | abrotman | nvz: did she know you were there? |
| 16:50.00 | tarzeau | Mage: could it have anything to do with your MTU setting? |
| 16:50.04 | pusling | I have rebuilt some packages - why are they prioritized lower than the same package from repository ? |
| 16:50.15 | tarzeau | pusling: because you didn't tell it not to? |
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| 16:50.18 | Mage | tarzeau: my MTU is 1492, I've tried with 1462 but ... no changes |
| 16:50.25 | m2 | rebecca_lappy: it might be bumpy at the moment, because of a bunch of uninstallable packages (KDE, a few bits of GNOME I'd guess, other stuff) |
| 16:50.26 | tarzeau | Mage: what webpages are that? |
| 16:50.28 | antgel | nvz: who flashed you and do you have pictures to share with all 500 of us? |
| 16:50.35 | cahoot | humor in #debian - must be a joke |
| 16:50.35 | pusling | tarzeau: like where do I tell it ? |
| 16:50.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: he said the state police and choir were there .. and i said 'why would the police be there' .. you were supposed to get the joke that the choir would be there .. you know .. the vienna BOYS choir |
| 16:50.37 | Mage | tarzeau: http://www.htmldog.com/ |
| 16:50.41 | tarzeau | antgel: "flashed" means what exactly? |
| 16:50.48 | tarzeau | pusling: like if i knew ;) |
| 16:50.53 | Mage | tarzeau: in fact it works on my gw but not on the clients ... |
| 16:50.53 | antgel | Mage: i had mtu pain today. you using adsl? |
| 16:50.54 | rebecca_lappy | m2: sounds like fun, ill give it a try, thanks :) |
| 16:50.59 | Mage | antgel: yes |
| 16:51.03 | nvz | abrotman: yeah her and her sisters were up in her room for like an hour hootin and hollerin at be out the window.. then next thing I know I look up and she's lifting her shirt up.. its not like she was changing.. she was teasing plain and simple |
| 16:51.04 | lakcaj | How do I give normal users permission to a usb camera that is automagically mounted when it is plugged in? Can someone point me at some documentation to get me started? |
| 16:51.10 | antgel | Mage: if it works on the gw and not clients, it's almost definitely mtu |
| 16:51.15 | nvz | s/at be/at me/ |
| 16:51.18 | humbug_ | is there a nice console based bt client other than bittorent written in python ? |
| 16:51.21 | abrotman | nvz: but was it worth it ? |
| 16:51.21 | cahoot | lakcaj: put them in group camera |
| 16:51.22 | antgel | @dict flashed |
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| 16:51.25 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'flashed' (fl[a^]sht); p. pr. & vb. n. {Flashing}.] [Cf. OE. flaskien, vlaskien to pour, sprinkle, dial. Sw. flasa to blaze, E. flush, flare.] 1. To burst or break forth with a sudden and transient flood of flame and light; as, the lighting flashes vividly; the powder flashed. [1913 Webster] 2. To break forth, as a sudden flood of light; to burst ... |
| 16:51.25 | Mage | I've tried with 1492 and 1462 for ppp0 but no changes.. |
| 16:51.33 | tarzeau | Mage: for me it works fine, but then i don't got adsl |
| 16:51.35 | lakcaj | cahoot, well, that was easier than i thought :) |
| 16:51.38 | m2 | rebecca_lappy: you can just edit the apt sources, update, and ask it to dist-upgrade to have a look at what it will remove. |
| 16:51.41 | abrotman | humbug_: apt-cache search ? |
| 16:51.45 | antgel | tarzeau: not that. it's showing someone your naughty bits |
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| 16:51.47 | Mage | tarzeau: you think it's a MTU problem ? |
| 16:52.02 | antgel | Mage: pppoe? pppoa? |
| 16:52.03 | tarzeau | Mage: i really don't have an idea. what says netstat -ni ? |
| 16:52.03 | humbug_ | don't want to search , I want users' opinion |
| 16:52.04 | m2 | rebecca_lappy: or just 'upgrade' instead of 'dist-upgrade' |
| 16:52.12 | Mage | antgel: pppoe |
| 16:52.13 | tarzeau | Mage: it can be A NY THING |
| 16:52.36 | Mage | tarzeau: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ual5OJ52.html |
| 16:52.38 | antgel | Mage: not my thing. today, mtu=mru=1458 and mss=1418 solved it |
| 16:52.49 | antgel | Mage: but that's pppoa. could try it though |
| 16:52.54 | tarzeau | antgel: like letting down your pants? |
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| 16:53.05 | nvz | abrotman: shes real cute.. she's just a little too young for me. she's only like 16 |
| 16:53.15 | tarzeau | Mage: dam you're fast, and no it looks fine |
| 16:53.26 | abrotman | nvz: uh yeah .. there's a phrase for that "2 to 5 years" :) |
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| 16:53.29 | Mage | yes, no RX/TX errors .. |
| 16:53.31 | pusling | is there a fancy command to list all packages in a repository ? |
| 16:53.34 | antgel | tarzeau: you put it in a little bit of a seedy way. flashing is usually done in a fun way. except by old men in raincoats |
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| 16:53.37 | tarzeau | Mage: did it ever work? |
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| 16:53.50 | Mage | don't know :) first time I go on that site |
| 16:53.51 | abrotman | pusling: get the Packages file .. and cat it |
| 16:53.53 | antgel | pusling: browse to the pool directory in a web browser |
| 16:53.55 | cusco | is tehre a text based torrent client? |
| 16:53.59 | Mage | I'me reading a book which talk about it |
| 16:53.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:54.02 | cusco | that I don't need X to run it? |
| 16:54.05 | pusling | abrotman: of course ;) |
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| 16:54.08 | lakcaj | cusco, btdownloadcurses |
| 16:54.11 | tarzeau | antgel: you find goatse funny? |
| 16:54.15 | lakcaj | cusco, some with bittorrent |
| 16:54.15 | abrotman | pusling: what? |
| 16:54.18 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well, there is another phrase came from the Devil's Advocate "You can look but you can't touch..." |
| 16:54.21 | pusling | antgel: that is just too many clicks |
| 16:54.22 | lakcaj | s/some/comes |
| 16:54.25 | Mage | I try with a lower MTU.. |
| 16:54.35 | abrotman | nvz: you know you want to! |
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| 16:54.41 | abrotman | pusling: is my answer acceptable? |
| 16:54.53 | pusling | abrotman: just that I didn't see the obvios solution |
| 16:54.54 | antgel | pusling: you're right. i don't do it often enough to care |
| 16:55.01 | nvz | abrotman: I am not that sleazy but she is really cute, I will give her that. |
| 16:55.03 | antgel | tarzeau: goatse? |
| 16:55.04 | abrotman | pusling: ah ok .. so that works ok for you? |
| 16:55.10 | tarzeau | antgel: wait, you don't know GOATSE? |
| 16:55.14 | tarzeau | !GOATSE |
| 16:55.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, goatse is really disgusting, or in ascii-art: (_@_), or (E@3), or goatse.cx is down :(, or given its own gallery at http://sam.zoy.org/fun/goatse/, or http://goat.cx |
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| 16:55.23 | pusling | abrotman: yeah I think ,) |
| 16:55.25 | tarzeau | antgel: www.goatse.org/mirror/ ;) |
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| 16:55.33 | Coag | ( }O{ ) |
| 16:55.38 | antgel | as an experienced internet user, there is no way i'm clicking on that. |
| 16:55.41 | antgel | er, back in a sec |
| 16:55.43 | tarzeau | antgel: and www.linuks.mine.nu/goatse.txt |
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| 16:56.08 | abrotman | pusling: wget http://blah.com/Packages | cat ? |
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| 16:56.43 | pusling | abrotman: wget -O - |
| 16:56.43 | pusling | http://blabla |
| 16:56.43 | pusling | should do it ;) |
| 16:57.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: you don't know any irc like place to find people who do chemistry (i hate forums, but maybe i could find something on newsgroups?) |
| 16:57.06 | abrotman | pusling: uh .. yeah .. that's it :) |
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| 16:57.09 | tarzeau | are newsgroups dead? |
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| 16:57.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: ask pseubodot ? |
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| 16:57.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: but he's not a chem person .. nm |
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| 16:57.44 | andre_m | in my gnome menu, applications -> debian every entry is twice. why? and how do i "fix" this? |
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| 16:58.16 | abrotman | update-menus ? |
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| 16:58.54 | tarzeau | one microgram is 1/10 milligram, right? |
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| 16:59.22 | pusling | abrotman: the only thing bad about that solution is that I just removed my primary editor in kde ,) damn unstable and c++ transition ;) |
| 16:59.29 | alvanson | tarzeau: 1 ug = 10-6 g... 1 mg = 10-3 g |
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| 16:59.41 | alvanson | tarzeau, so 1 ug is 1/1000 of a mg |
| 16:59.42 | tarzeau | alvanson: so 1/1000 of it? |
| 16:59.48 | tarzeau | alvanson: ok thank you |
| 16:59.52 | nvz | tarzeau: a tit in my hand is worth two in her shirt is my rule of thumb.. oh wait.. nm :P |
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| 16:59.58 | abrotman | pusling: cat? grep? |
| 17:00.27 | Coag | i micro == 0001 millli |
| 17:00.34 | humbug_ | how do I install sun's java on my box ? |
| 17:00.36 | Coag | 1 micro == .0001 millli |
| 17:00.36 | nvz | tarzeau: http://www.onlineconversion.com/ |
| 17:00.36 | alvanson | go metric |
| 17:00.40 | antgel | i remember when being the thought of getting flashed by a 16 year old didn't make me feel old |
| 17:00.58 | pusling | abrotman: yeah - that was what I ended up doing ... |
| 17:00.59 | alvanson | antgel, nvz: I'm missing something |
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| 17:01.05 | antgel | s/being// |
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| 17:01.13 | alvanson | where did this topic of conversation come from? |
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| 17:02.05 | nvz | hey made me feel good, though I _am_ one sexy bitch its understandable she couldnt help herself |
| 17:02.14 | tarzeau | alvanson: i'm looking for a person which has a access to a chemistry labor to do some experiments |
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| 17:02.27 | alvanson | tarzeau, not me... I'm an EE student |
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| 17:03.28 | m2 | tarzeau: google for "1 microgram in milligrams" |
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| 17:03.31 | antgel | nvz: look, if she knows how much you're on #debian, it's more than understandable ;) |
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| 17:03.44 | alvanson | tarzeau, if you need access to a high voltage lab or something, I might be able to help |
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| 17:03.50 | nvz | antgel: heh. I am on #debian a lot. |
| 17:03.54 | tarzeau | alvanson: heh ;) |
| 17:03.58 | humbug_ | how do I install Sun's java on Debian? |
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| 17:04.04 | humbug_ | Which package should I install ? |
| 17:04.07 | antgel | humbug_: you read the /topic |
| 17:04.18 | tarzeau | alvanson: if you can figure something funny in there... |
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| 17:04.37 | tarzeau | alvanson: but why would an ee student have access to a high voltage lab? |
| 17:04.55 | alvanson | tarzeau, the third years do... but they also need a certificate in CPR first |
| 17:04.58 | tarzeau | alvanson: i think i have access to chemlabs, the thing is i must find the right persons |
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| 17:05.21 | ididit | hello |
| 17:05.32 | humbug_ | antgel I send the bot a message and don't get the reply |
| 17:05.40 | antgel | !install java |
| 17:05.40 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 17:05.43 | tarzeau | i'll be likely in some lab next week where they produce fluids of gases |
| 17:05.49 | antgel | !java-package |
| 17:05.49 | dpkg | well, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 17:05.54 | tarzeau | anything funny i shouldn't miss to do in there? |
| 17:06.13 | ididit | i'm wondering if i'll get any complications installing my internet connection in debian, when i install debian on my other hd... |
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| 17:07.14 | ididit | i'm connecting through a DSL (usb adsl modem) |
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| 17:07.19 | Om | I compiled my own kernel a while ago, and still have the full source directory. But now I want to compile an extra module I didn't compile first time around. I followed some debian instructions and used the debian kernel packager when I compiled the kernel. |
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| 17:07.36 | ididit | is there a way to install/identify such thing in debian? |
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| 17:08.54 | dli | ididit, "make-kpkg modules" |
| 17:09.02 | ididit | what does that means? |
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| 17:09.10 | ididit | kpkg ?? |
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| 17:09.19 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 17:09.20 | nvz | nothing relevant unless you have source code to drivers for it |
| 17:09.23 | Yoe | ididit: it's part of kernel-package |
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| 17:09.32 | Yoe | so, 'kernel-package' |
| 17:09.38 | nvz | which is probably the only way you will get it working |
| 17:09.53 | nvz | USB networking is a stupid idea |
| 17:09.58 | ididit | Yoe so i'd just type that and it will search for my dsl modem alone and try to install it? |
| 17:09.59 | dli | ididit, "make-kpkg modules_image" |
| 17:10.03 | nvz | s/networking// |
| 17:10.03 | Aligma | antgel do you know of any programs I could use to check I'm actually sending a signal? |
| 17:10.13 | ididit | nvz i'm not on networking! |
| 17:10.15 | Yoe | ididit: no, you need to install the module source for your DSL modem first |
| 17:10.18 | ididit | not on a network |
| 17:10.24 | nvz | ididit: b.s. |
| 17:10.25 | m2 | Aligma: sure, voltmeter :-) |
| 17:10.32 | ididit | Yoe where can i find it while i only got the windows driver for it |
| 17:10.33 | Yoe | there's an other package which will help you with that, |
| 17:10.37 | Aligma | m2: :( |
| 17:10.44 | Aligma | m2: I don't have one |
| 17:10.47 | Yoe | and run the make-kpkg thing behind the scenes in one go |
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| 17:10.51 | nvz | ididit: what the hell do you think is created when you hook a modem which is essentially a bridge or a router to your pc.. you are on a network |
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| 17:11.12 | ididit | nvz and why the hell you asumed i'm using a damn router? |
| 17:11.17 | tarzeau | any way a person could produce hallucinogenes on their own? i've got a kitchen... |
| 17:11.17 | andre_m | menu-refresh or whatever it was didn't help. restartet x after that and in gnome applications -> debian menu, still every entry is twice. any idea? |
| 17:11.31 | dli | nvz: he is asking for the kernel driver for NIC, I suppose |
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| 17:11.36 | Yoe | ididit: it's just that I can't remember the name of that package, and don't immediately find it, either. |
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| 17:11.39 | ididit | dli right. |
| 17:11.50 | nvz | dli: he's asking if a USB Modem is supported from what I gather |
| 17:12.01 | dli | ididit, make menuconfig; make-kpkg kernel-image (or modules_image) |
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| 17:12.20 | nvz | dli: and in denial that his modem is either a bridge or a router and when connected to a PC makes a network |
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| 17:12.37 | dli | nvz: he is still configuring kernel, so, might ask for everything |
| 17:12.52 | JeffH | where can I find instructions for creating an installing a self-signed certificate for apache? |
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| 17:13.05 | tchino | how can i sea all users of a channel in xchat |
| 17:13.06 | ididit | dli i'm on windows atm, but i wanna install debian on the other hd |
| 17:13.13 | tarzeau | tchino: /names |
| 17:13.18 | lexande | is it possible/easy to set up s/key one-time passwords on debian |
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| 17:13.21 | dli | nvz: modem is a dhcp server in my case, he only needs to bring up eth0 in dhcp |
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| 17:13.38 | ididit | dli i used to do that on my laptop |
| 17:13.39 | nvz | oh well I am going back outside.. its a nice day, and my friend is having a cookout. beats sitting here |
| 17:13.50 | ididit | when i used to just hook it up with this computer to share the connection |
| 17:14.00 | Zap-W | forgot the name of the tool for reporting bugs |
| 17:14.01 | dli | ididit, you may just use the debian kernel |
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| 17:14.15 | ididit | "make-kpkg modules" ? |
| 17:14.16 | antgel | Aligma: you'll know when the cash drawer opens. nb you might need to get the flow control, baud rate etc sorted. |
| 17:14.39 | dli | ididit, sorry, better simply "make-kpkg kernel-image" |
| 17:14.46 | antgel | JeffH: does apache-ssl not do it upon install? |
| 17:14.47 | jcuk | how do i make certain folders as shared on my network? |
| 17:14.51 | jcuk | on debian |
| 17:15.01 | antgel | !tell jcuk about vague |
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| 17:15.17 | dli | jcuk, NFS? |
| 17:15.32 | JeffH | antgel: my current certificate is expired and I forget the steps I took to create/install it. |
| 17:15.47 | antgel | JeffH: dpkg-reconfigure apache-ssl? |
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| 17:15.55 | nvz | I just make-kpkg buildpackage anymore.. saves me steps both short-term and long-term |
| 17:15.55 | jcuk | dli, well i dont know much about linux and networks. i only know windows networks. any info sites i might be able to read up on? |
| 17:16.03 | JeffH | artgel: I'll try that.. |
| 17:16.04 | ididit | dli ok thanks, i'll try that, but can you in simple wors tell me what that will do? |
| 17:16.12 | m2 | hm... ifplugd is *so* cool :-) |
| 17:16.30 | m2 | now I just need to figure out how to set up the same thing for wireless |
| 17:16.38 | dli | jcuk, go to the debian site, documentations, find an NFS howto |
| 17:16.39 | nvz | buildpackage implies clean and binary (which implies image, headers, docs, source) targets |
| 17:16.39 | Aligma | antgel I'm just worried that the drawer is locked or something and that I'm doing something else wrong? |
| 17:16.42 | paolob | Hi guys! Anyone could help me with apt-cache. I have been receiving for a week a buch of error msg: "500 Internal Server Error". What could it be? is at-cacher broken? |
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| 17:16.45 | jcuk | thanks dli |
| 17:16.53 | paolob | apt-cacher |
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| 17:16.56 | nvz | I wonder where they get that binary target implies source.. that doesnt make sense |
| 17:17.04 | antgel | Aligma: you will hear the relay click. |
| 17:17.07 | Zap-W | *** Welcome to reportbug. Use ? for help at prompts. *** Using '"Zap-W" <zapw@wwe.game-host.org>' as your from address. , howto change this email |
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| 17:17.23 | Aligma | antgel ahh :( Haven't heard that yet |
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| 17:17.26 | antgel | Zap-W: man reportbug |
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| 17:17.50 | nvz | oh well /me leaves |
| 17:18.01 | alvanson | nvz: :( |
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| 17:18.06 | antgel | Aligma: you sure they didn't provide a way to do it by sending an escape sequence, rather than manipulating pin voltage? |
| 17:18.08 | abrotman | Zap-W: look in your . files |
| 17:18.10 | Manoj_ | nvz, what do you do with all the other packages buildpackage creates? |
| 17:18.22 | Manoj_ | bah |
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| 17:19.04 | nvz | Manoj_: you will need them eventually |
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| 17:20.02 | Aligma | antgel well.. the only documentation I have is pretty crap |
| 17:20.05 | Manoj_ | nvz, what for? |
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| 17:20.15 | dm1tri | hi all |
| 17:20.20 | Manoj_ | nvz, I have not myself needed them so far |
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| 17:21.03 | dm1tri | i thinking about installing debian on my laptop... but wich of the releases do i want? woody or? |
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| 17:21.31 | Manoj_ | dm1tri, you probably want the latest released version, code named Sarge |
| 17:21.34 | alvanson | dm1tri, woody is old. You want to use sarge |
| 17:21.51 | dm1tri | Manoj_ is sarge out as netinstall? |
| 17:22.12 | alvanson | dm1tri, www.linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org are good resources |
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| 17:22.31 | dm1tri | alvanson, ok thx :) |
| 17:22.35 | paolob | Hi guys! is there a apt or apt-cacher channel? |
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| 17:23.52 | Zap-W | bugreport for exim : 43) #223963: exim4-daemon-heavy: Debian-exim is a bad choice of username for exim4 |
| 17:23.55 | Zap-W | how lame is this |
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| 17:24.13 | alvanson | ls |
| 17:24.15 | alvanson | oops! |
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| 17:24.29 | antgel | . .. |
| 17:25.05 | Aligma | SH*T |
| 17:25.08 | Aligma | It needs power! |
| 17:25.35 | Aligma | I took a 12v power from an LCD monitor and plugged it in just to check .. and straight away my script works |
| 17:25.37 | paolob | Hi guys! where can I get help with apt-cacher? thank you! |
| 17:25.49 | syntaxx | what is cvs? and how to use it? |
| 17:25.53 | Aligma | they didn't provide power supplies :S |
| 17:26.02 | travisat | !cvs |
| 17:26.02 | dpkg | cvs is probably the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 17:26.15 | dm1tri | alvanson: sarge is testing - so is it stable? |
| 17:26.19 | paolob | !java |
| 17:26.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 17:26.26 | antgel | dm1tri: www.debian.org/releasrs |
| 17:26.35 | paolob | !install java |
| 17:26.35 | antgel | s/rs/es |
| 17:26.35 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 17:26.39 | travisat | paolob: /msg dpkg for personal info |
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| 17:26.53 | paolob | travisat: ok, excuse me! |
| 17:26.56 | Aligma | they didn't provide power supplies :S |
| 17:26.59 | Aligma | damn |
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| 17:27.05 | Aligma | accident .. too many keyboards sorry |
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| 17:29.55 | m4csim | hi |
| 17:30.04 | m2 | Aligma: you just plug 12V? just like that? lucky you it didn't got fried :-) |
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| 17:30.44 | m4csim | I've got an audio file ".mpc" I'm unable to read it, anyone knows how ? |
| 17:30.58 | tarzeau | m4csim: what says file the.mpc ? |
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| 17:31.52 | spl0it | can anyone suggest a decent visual c++ editor for debian?? |
| 17:31.54 | m4csim | tarzeau: just says "data" (I do "file file.mpc" |
| 17:31.59 | dm1tri | wich kernel is default in sarge? |
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| 17:32.08 | m4csim | spl0it: anjuta |
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| 17:32.29 | tarzeau | m4csim: can i have a copy of it? |
| 17:32.31 | amphi | dm1tri: 2.6.8 - dunno about 2.4 |
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| 17:32.37 | tarzeau | spl0it: eclipse ? |
| 17:32.38 | spl0it | thanks, installing now :) |
| 17:32.44 | spl0it | no idea |
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| 17:32.45 | dm1tri | amphi: 2.6.8 is good enough :) |
| 17:32.50 | spl0it | is anjuta good? or ?? |
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| 17:33.01 | m4csim | spl0it: it's a gui C++ editor |
| 17:33.05 | spl0it | doesn't matter to me I just want to do some newbie stuff for time :P |
| 17:33.07 | spl0it | perfect |
| 17:33.13 | spl0it | built in compiler/debugger? |
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| 17:33.33 | m4csim | spl0it: it use external gcc and gdb ... |
| 17:33.58 | amphi | spl0it: ddd is a good FE for gdb |
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| 17:34.08 | spl0it | cool |
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| 17:34.22 | spl0it | I'll give her a try :) - thx guys |
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| 17:34.57 | Manolis | Hello, anyone have an iSight Webcam working with Debian? |
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| 17:36.08 | antgel | !tell Manolis about anyone |
| 17:36.10 | spl0it | I'm running kde, so if I want to develop something to run in kde, do I write a gtk 2.0 application or x? |
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| 17:36.26 | tarzeau | spl0it: unf |
| 17:36.26 | aalex_ | Hi |
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| 17:36.31 | tarzeau | spl0it: what do you want to write? |
| 17:36.36 | alvanson | Manolis, a quick search on google provides the answer you require |
| 17:36.49 | tarzeau | spl0it: there's motif/lesstif, qt, wxwidgets, fltk, gtk, GNUstep |
| 17:36.59 | spl0it | hehe |
| 17:37.21 | spl0it | I was just going to write an application that determins the answer for soduku games :P |
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| 17:37.32 | Manolis | alvanson: uh, yeah, I've done that quick search about 10 times, looks possible, but I'm looking for experienced users... |
| 17:37.36 | m4csim | spl0it: with kde you should try kdevelop |
| 17:37.37 | aalex_ | where is my USB key to mount ? nothing on /media/usb0 ... Should I mount it from the CLI? I though the command was mtab to get the list of everything mounted. How do I mount my USB key? |
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| 17:37.56 | m4csim | aalex_: try /dev/sda1 |
| 17:38.04 | Dr_Fate | someone messaged me a while ago and now I don't know who |
| 17:38.08 | resiak | !tell aalex_ -about usb-storage |
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| 17:38.19 | Dr_Fate | I was am trying to get smtm to show charts |
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| 17:38.25 | resiak | dpkg: usb storage is <reply> see usb-storage |
| 17:38.25 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 17:38.34 | Dr_Fate | but I can install Tk::2005 on Ubuntu |
| 17:38.48 | falco_toadfoot | anyone know how to print from firefox. I use cups.. |
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| 17:38.58 | aalex_ | !tell aalex_ -see usb-storage |
| 17:39.24 | dli | falco_toadfoot, what's the problem? |
| 17:39.25 | resiak | aalex_: dpkg should have just sent you a private message |
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| 17:39.37 | alvanson | falco_toadfoot, File/Print |
| 17:39.40 | aalex_ | right |
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| 17:39.51 | aalex_ | what is a module? a debian module? load it ? |
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| 17:40.05 | tarzeau | aalex_: a linux kernel driver module probably |
| 17:40.16 | resiak | aalex_: It's a kernel module. You load a module by running `modprobe name_of_module` as root. |
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| 17:40.27 | aalex_ | does it load it forever ? |
| 17:40.29 | aalex_ | resiak, |
| 17:40.37 | resiak | aalex_: Are you a Gnome user? You may want to try gnome-volume-manager, which should deal with all this for you. |
| 17:40.46 | aalex_ | yes i am, resiak |
| 17:41.21 | resiak | aalex_: `apt-get install gnome-volume-manager; adduser your_user_name plugdev` (both as root), log out, log in. |
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| 17:41.41 | resiak | aalex_: You may be asked to reboot after installing g-v-m (depending on whether you already had udev installed). |
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| 17:43.05 | m4csim | aalex_: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ doesn't work ? |
| 17:43.05 | falco_toadfoot | dli: this happens.. http://useless.myftp.org/cups.log |
| 17:43.30 | aalex_ | maybe with mount -t vfat |
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| 17:43.35 | aalex_ | i will try |
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| 17:43.55 | aalex_ | resiak, seems that this was all already done |
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| 17:44.21 | spl0it | anjuta looks pretty cool, but something is broken or whatever, I opened main.cc and it looks cool, I click on a line and the text keeps moving around and stuff, like the visuals for the editor are borked or something, any suggestions? |
| 17:44.25 | resiak | aalex_: Hmm, fair enough. Are you in the plugdev group? Run `id` at a command line. |
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| 17:45.32 | aalex_ | resiak, it worked almost: the file system type wasnt specified. I succeded using the command mount with -t vfat |
| 17:45.35 | Aligma | m2 yeah i just plugged it in its going great |
| 17:45.47 | Aligma | andi guess i am KINDA lucky |
| 17:45.56 | aalex_ | mount -t vfat /dev/sda /xxx |
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| 17:46.32 | dli | aalex_, it uses FAT24, maybe |
| 17:46.49 | m4csim | spl0it: whith debian you use ? (sid,testing or stable) |
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| 17:47.21 | spl0it | testing |
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| 17:48.43 | falco_toadfoot | dli: but when I print from openoffice, this happens http://useless.myftp.org/cups2.log |
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| 17:48.46 | m4csim | spl0it: I was this problem with anjuta 3 weeks ago, but now it's resolve, maybe try to install stable anjuta ? |
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| 17:49.03 | spl0it | hmm I could probably also give apt-get update a shot too |
| 17:49.05 | falco_toadfoot | dli: so: actually prints from openoffice, doesn't print from firefox |
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| 17:49.22 | spl0it | havn't updated for a couple of weeks |
| 17:49.48 | resiak | aalex_: Ah hah. g-v-m is really handy when it works, but it doesn't always work :) |
| 17:50.08 | spl0it | if this update doesn't work, how do I stainll the stable version from apt-get or do I have to go download the source? |
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| 17:50.42 | m4csim | spl0it: maybe try to upgrade ? |
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| 17:50.59 | spl0it | ya er sorry, thats what I'm doing now |
| 17:51.00 | aalex_ | resiak, maybe i can configure the right filesystem type somewhere |
| 17:51.08 | tomppa | could someone offer a bit of an advice wrt realtek8139 pcmcia network card on Woody? |
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| 17:51.25 | spl0it | 58packages need updated.. maybe that will fix the problem |
| 17:51.59 | resiak | aalex_: It _should_ just get it right. It does for me. Are you in the plugdev group ? |
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| 17:52.11 | aalex_ | yes, resiak |
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| 17:52.22 | resiak | aalex_: Bizarre. Hmm, I don't know what to suggest then. |
| 17:52.28 | tomppa | Damn thing should work with 8139too but i just get 'device or resource busy's when trying to ifup it |
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| 17:52.56 | abrotman | tomppa: upgrade to sarge ? |
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| 17:53.21 | polyfractal_ | Hey all, quick sendmail question. I am having problems with my email script, some recipients are not receiving the email. I've gone back and added a proper Content-type, MIME, From header and adjusted the Return-Path sendmail header. should everyone be able to receive now? |
| 17:53.26 | Zap-W | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326642 |
| 17:53.29 | tomppa | i wish. the thing is i only have woody cd's atm. kind a hoped to get the pcmcia working to do the upgrade |
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| 17:53.39 | polyfractal_ | The default sendmail host is still 'localhost.localdomain', will this cause problems? |
| 17:53.41 | resiak | toresbe! |
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| 17:54.11 | abrotman | tomppa: did you install the 2.2 or 2.4 kernel ? |
| 17:54.13 | toresbe | resiak! |
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| 17:54.50 | tomppa | 2.2 -> resource busy etc. 2.4 -> no eth0 at all. |
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| 17:56.11 | abrotman | tomppa: which 2.4? |
| 17:56.14 | tomppa | I just thought if there was some quick fix for this i wouldn't need to get the Sarge cd's. Google doesn't help, only few people with similar problem but i haven't been able to find a real solution. |
| 17:56.43 | tomppa | 2.4bf? whatever comes with 3.0 boot cd's |
| 17:57.04 | polyfractal_ | Anyone? |
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| 17:59.06 | tomppa | I guess it works fine on Sarge? |
| 17:59.30 | goccia | is a realtek ? works in woody as well |
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| 17:59.53 | tomppa | it guess it should. i don't know what's exactly wrong with it. |
| 18:00.36 | takatumi | tomppa: get the 110MB net installer or the ~30MB biz card iso, you're better off starting from there. |
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| 18:00.45 | tomppa | I have 2.2 installed right now, the modules seems to work fine, i just get the "resource busy" when trying to set up network |
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| 18:01.05 | tomppa | takatumi: i guess that's the easiest way. |
| 18:01.17 | takatumi | tomppa: less pain. |
| 18:01.32 | monster | tomppa: what do you mean "setup network" ? insmod ? ifconfig ? |
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| 18:01.37 | tomppa | takatumi: I just hope it works out the box with Sarge. |
| 18:01.43 | tomppa | ifconfig |
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| 18:02.36 | tomppa | modprobe doesn't seem to complain about anything. cardctl says the card is [ready] |
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| 18:02.43 | abrotman | tomppa: which 2.4 do you have installed? |
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| 18:03.09 | gaal | hi. my /usr/sbin is not writable for some reason, although it's mode 755 and i am not using ACLs. anyone know why this might be so? |
| 18:03.11 | clarissa | i have the same problem as yesterday :) |
| 18:03.21 | abrotman | gaal: because you're not root ? |
| 18:03.23 | usn | hi folx |
| 18:03.26 | resiak | gaal: ...it should not be writable by anyone bar root. |
| 18:03.30 | gaal | abrotman, i am. |
| 18:03.33 | abrotman | gaal: because /usr is mounted read only ? |
| 18:03.39 | gaal | abrotman, it isn't. |
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| 18:03.54 | abrotman | gaal: you're sure? |
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| 18:04.05 | gaal | abrotman, yes. |
| 18:04.14 | tomppa | Previously i tried it with 2.4.18-bf2.4, now it's 2.2.20-compact |
| 18:04.16 | abrotman | gaal: what's the error you get? |
| 18:04.16 | clarissa | how to see what is installed on motherboard? :) |
| 18:04.20 | abrotman | lspci |
| 18:04.44 | clarissa | that was a fast answer giggle |
| 18:04.55 | monster | clarissa: check inside the comp :) |
| 18:05.00 | gaal | EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 18:05.06 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 18:05.15 | m4csim | gaal: /usr/sbin is a partition ? |
| 18:05.16 | vincent | somebody tried 2.6.13 ? |
| 18:05.17 | gaal | sorry, that's from strace |
| 18:05.20 | abrotman | oh |
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| 18:05.20 | clarissa | lol monster xD |
| 18:05.32 | tomppa | with 2.4.18 didn't really seem like the card. with 2.2 it atleast show up with ifconfig -a |
| 18:05.42 | gaal | abrotman, i get e.g. touch: cannot touch `/usr/sbin/ggg': Permission denied |
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| 18:05.44 | monster | clarissa: try lspci |
| 18:05.50 | clarissa | i have monster :) |
| 18:06.05 | gaal | this is breaking my dpkg serisouly :-( |
| 18:06.08 | clarissa | heres my tv card : 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capt ure (rev 11) <---and for this i need DVB-T program or such :) |
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| 18:06.31 | abrotman | gaal: this is why unix has poor errors :) |
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| 18:06.34 | valdyn_ | clarissa: you sure this card has anything to do with dvb-t? |
| 18:06.43 | monster | clarissa: you ask smth about dvb yesterday on #xine |
| 18:06.53 | andersb | Could somebody point me to a Doc page how to upgrade from Sarge to Etch? |
| 18:06.53 | abrotman | monster: she did .. |
| 18:06.54 | clarissa | yes valdyn_ rofl xD |
| 18:06.57 | clarissa | i have plug in xD |
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| 18:07.03 | gaal | abrotman, not such a poor error. straight from the kernel in this case. |
| 18:07.05 | abrotman | monster: we asked her to make sure xine could play that file type |
| 18:07.15 | Zugschlus | andersb: release notes for etch are going to be available after etch's release |
| 18:07.26 | valdyn_ | clarissa: well, this doesnt: 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 02) |
| 18:07.26 | clarissa | yes monster but i hadnt get a answer :| |
| 18:07.35 | abrotman | gaal: which kernel error is it ? |
| 18:07.43 | gaal | EACCES :) |
| 18:07.43 | clarissa | valdyn_ it is x.x |
| 18:07.46 | andersb | Zugschlus: So there is no documentation on how to upgrade from stable to testing? |
| 18:07.56 | monster | clarissa: can in play ? |
| 18:08.00 | takatumi | andersb: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 18:08.03 | abrotman | MySQL and SCO Join Forces <-- SEE .. MySQL is evil shit |
| 18:08.03 | monster | in == it |
| 18:08.03 | Zugschlus | andersb: well, nothing more than the obvious "adapt your sources.list and dist-upgrade" |
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| 18:08.08 | clarissa | 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capt ure (rev 11) and 0000:00:0d.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (r ev 11) <--- thats DVB-T card inside |
| 18:08.28 | Zugschlus | andersb: but, frankly, somebody who needs documentation for _that_ shouldn't be running unreleased software where breakage is to be expected. |
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| 18:08.37 | valdyn_ | clarissa: the chip still looks like you can just use xawtv |
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| 18:08.52 | clarissa | xawtv? okay i install this :) |
| 18:09.08 | vincent | xawtv is good for testing |
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| 18:09.36 | deadcat | clarissa: tvtime |
| 18:09.38 | andersb | Zugschlus: I just need it to be able to upgrade to another distro. I know my way around systems, but frankly there must be a doc page for how to upgrade from stable to testing. |
| 18:10.02 | clarissa | tvtime? whats this deadcat? |
| 18:10.06 | Zugschlus | andersb: well, write one. I'd be surprised if it would be more than "edit sources.list and dist-upgrade" |
| 18:10.08 | deadcat | software |
| 18:10.11 | m2 | andersb: what kind of doc do you want? |
| 18:10.13 | valdyn_ | clarissa: nice tv watching software |
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| 18:10.32 | andersb | Zugschlus: Updated my source.list, done apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:10.58 | andersb | m2: something that tells me how to upgrade from stable to testing. |
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| 18:11.05 | cmdKeen | to what X config file should I add FontPath ? in gentoo it is '/etc/X11/XF86Config' but I am not sure if it is the same in Debian... |
| 18:11.06 | Zugschlus | andersb: sounds about right, only that aptitude is nowadays the tool of choice |
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| 18:11.09 | andersb | Zugschlus: But get: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 18:11.16 | Mage__ | takatumi: I found the problem ... |
| 18:11.21 | Mage__ | tarzeau sorry |
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| 18:11.28 | Zugschlus | andersb: use aptitude, it's more savvy in resolving dependencies |
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| 18:11.43 | andersb | Zugschlus: Okay, Doc page? |
| 18:11.51 | Zugschlus | andersb: sarge release notes. |
| 18:11.59 | Mage__ | the problem was that ppp runs /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0clampmss and that I run my firewall script after that |
| 18:12.11 | Zugschlus | andersb: otoh, the error message gives a pretty clear hint about how to work around the issue if you want to continue using plain apt-get |
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| 18:12.53 | andersb | Zugschlus: Yes a hint, thats why I am looking for the Doc, so I can read about it. |
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| 18:13.27 | despedes | help plz |
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| 18:13.42 | despedes | i get the following error when i try to install gnome |
| 18:13.43 | despedes | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 18:13.43 | despedes | E: Broken packages |
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| 18:15.23 | clarissa | help i need bttv drivers :) |
| 18:15.35 | clarissa | cant choose videosignal |
| 18:15.39 | andersb | Zugschlus: Not trying to be difficult, only that I am meet always the same way when I log on to irc to get some pointers. Its always, "fuck off, if you can't do it, don't". But its alot easier when there is Doc. |
| 18:15.39 | clarissa | in tvtime |
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| 18:16.02 | SerajewelKS | hey look, debian is 1337... http://stats.distributed.net/team/tmsummary.php?project_id=8&team=28974 |
| 18:16.11 | Zugschlus | andersb: I am getting the impression that testing/unstable are deliberately underdocumented to keep people researching |
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| 18:16.33 | Zugschlus | please always remember that testing/unstable are developer distributions that won't be publicly visible in a commercial environment |
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| 18:16.51 | cmdKeen | clarissa: /msg dpkg bttv ? |
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| 18:17.02 | clarissa | how can i mount my tv-card to /dev/video0 that tvtime can find it? |
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| 18:17.27 | m2 | clarissa: have you loaded the v4l modules? |
| 18:17.37 | andersb | Zugschlus: Yes, but if one wants ppl to try testing (for testing :)), one would expect atleast a page about how to do it :) |
| 18:17.38 | clarissa | v4l huh? confused |
| 18:17.41 | clarissa | i dont know what this is xD |
| 18:17.50 | Zugschlus | andersb: basically, debian updates are always the same |
| 18:17.52 | spl0it | seems like my 'server' box never uses any of the swap drive, its using 480k right now, and yet theres barely any memory left (4184k) around 0.2% of the memory left, any reason why its not using more of the swap drive? |
| 18:17.56 | clarissa | m2 i am newbie in linux :) |
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| 18:18.15 | jdhutchin1 | spl0it, linux uses the 'unused' ram as a disk cache |
| 18:18.15 | clarissa | i know some commands and using linux thats all i can do :) |
| 18:18.21 | beardy | spl0it: Most of the used memory is used as buffers and cache. |
| 18:18.24 | andersb | Zugschlus: Yes. And thats why I was wondering if somebody could point me to the docs. I cant seem to find them. |
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| 18:18.36 | brick | clarissa: you have a lot of reading to do! |
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| 18:18.44 | clarissa | can be brick ^^" |
| 18:18.54 | andersb | Zugschlus: Running 16 blades with stable, wanna install testing on one to test :) |
| 18:19.00 | clarissa | but i can better learning by doing |
| 18:19.08 | Gathond | spl0it: for the actual amount of memory used by programs either add the buffers/cache amount to the free ammount, or use second line in free |
| 18:19.11 | clarissa | that somebody give me explanations and i do this :) |
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| 18:19.51 | Zugschlus | andersb: I'd postpone that kind of testing until the last like four weeks before etch will be released. etch will be a _very_ moving target for the next year, so testing etch now won't give you any useable results for stable etch |
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| 18:20.29 | m2 | clarissa: hmm... not sure, I don't have a TV tuner around, but as far as I remember you need to install the kernel modules,and that's pretty much it. |
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| 18:20.37 | m2 | clarissa: modprobe bttv |
| 18:20.54 | tarzeau | is there anyone that runs moinwiki ? |
| 18:20.56 | clarissa | works m2 |
| 18:20.56 | andersb | Zugschlus: Oh, didnt know there wasn't a testing right now. Okay. |
| 18:21.02 | Zugschlus | testing is there |
| 18:21.13 | Zugschlus | but I'd advise against using it at the present state |
| 18:21.14 | asg | tarzeau: we just started running it at work for internal documentation |
| 18:21.24 | m2 | clarissa: look at the output of 'dmesg', and check that everything is ok |
| 18:21.28 | tarzeau | asg: so you couldn't run it on the internet for public use? |
| 18:21.46 | asg | tarzeau: we could but our internal documentation is not for public consumption at this time. |
| 18:21.50 | andersb | Zugschlus: Just need a boot with a 2.6 kernel with a 3.0+ gcc. |
| 18:22.00 | clarissa | bttv0: detected: Twinhan VisionPlus DVB-T [card=113], PCI subsystem ID is 1822:0001 <---thats the card |
| 18:22.03 | andersb | Zugschlus: For linuxfromscratch. |
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| 18:22.05 | tarzeau | asg: for content other than your docs? |
| 18:22.05 | Zugschlus | doesn't sarge do _that_? |
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| 18:22.13 | asg | tarzeau: isn't greycat running a moin wiki though? |
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| 18:22.24 | tarzeau | asg: i don't know. i want to get rid of debian |
| 18:22.24 | andersb | Zugschlus: Dunno, cant find the doc :) |
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| 18:22.36 | asg | tarzeau: we are about to migrate our Frontpage/IIS sites to a plone/zope setup at work. |
| 18:22.38 | m2 | clarissa: ok, that looks good |
| 18:22.45 | asg | tarzeau: get rid of debian for what? |
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| 18:22.53 | tarzeau | asg: for other things |
| 18:23.01 | asg | tarzeau: oh, you mean the wiki? |
| 18:23.03 | clarissa | using tuner=4 and add subdevice "dvb0" |
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| 18:23.08 | clarissa | thats under the card |
| 18:23.12 | tarzeau | asg: that and a bunch more stuff, yes |
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| 18:23.20 | andersb | Zugschlus: Been browsing debian.org to see if I could find a page with whats included in each realease. (kernels, gcc etc.). |
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| 18:23.40 | Zugschlus | andersb: that would be http://packages.debian.org/, or the Packages.gz file on the mirrors |
| 18:23.42 | tarzeau | asg: i want it in good hands. not just throw away |
| 18:23.42 | asg | tarzeau: well, I'd ask greycat tomorrow. He's already mirroring the stuff he put up. I don't expect he'd mind taking the wikifaq and perhaps other stuff. |
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| 18:23.59 | tarzeau | asg: thanks, i'll have that in mind when i see him again |
| 18:24.04 | asg | tarzeau: I might also be able to as well if he can't |
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| 18:24.06 | andersb | Zugschlus: Not to easy that either :) http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html really doens't say... |
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| 18:24.14 | tarzeau | asg: i'd konw another place to host it as well |
| 18:24.22 | outlaw84 | none of my /dev/input/mouse links work... I am missning some software so it seams does anyone of you know what is needed for the mouse? |
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| 18:24.37 | clarissa | m2: what to do now? the card is without errors shown |
| 18:24.41 | CrocoJet | does anyone knows where I can find stock kernel (kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386) ? |
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| 18:24.50 | CrocoJet | ops |
| 18:24.58 | CrocoJet | kernel-image-2.6.13-386 |
| 18:25.02 | m2 | clarissa: xawtv doesn't work? |
| 18:25.18 | asg | tarzeau: cool. Check back tomorrow when we are all on and we'll come to some arrangement. |
| 18:25.22 | clarissa | xawtv where i can find it ? have installed ^^ |
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| 18:25.31 | andersb | CorcoJet: http://www.kernel.org/ |
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| 18:25.37 | clarissa | i only see 2nd times tvtime under multimedia |
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| 18:26.02 | CrocoJet | andersb, only source there |
| 18:26.07 | andersb | CrocoJet: But best bet is to find a kernel mirror. Loads of them. |
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| 18:27.04 | andersb | CrocoJet: Ahh, didn't undestand you needed a compiled one. Thats not easy, because, nobody can guess what kernel modules etc. you need. |
| 18:27.04 | outlaw84 | what is the module called that is needed to use a ps2 mouse? |
| 18:27.14 | asg | outlaw84: psmouse (for 2.6 kernels) |
| 18:27.28 | CrocoJet | oh ok |
| 18:27.36 | asg | outlaw84: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse (for the rest) |
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| 18:28.24 | andersb | CrocoJet: A "stock" kernel may never even boot on your system. |
| 18:28.40 | clarissa | m2: have problems if i write in v4l-conf into terminal it show me "can't open /dev/video0: No such file or directory" |
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| 18:28.59 | outlaw84 | asg: I got a stock debian kernel I am gething not such module by insmod |
| 18:29.03 | CrocoJet | i found kernel-image 2.6.11-1 |
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| 18:29.09 | CrocoJet | looking 2.6.13 |
| 18:29.13 | outlaw84 | asg: 2.6 kernel that is |
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| 18:29.46 | CrocoJet | I dont wanna compile one |
| 18:29.46 | abrotman | asg: beer 3pm usual place .. call your cell! |
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| 18:29.56 | valdyn_ | clarissa: is bt878 loaded? |
| 18:30.05 | clarissa | valdyn_ how to see? |
| 18:30.06 | andersb | CrocoJet: you may have to... |
| 18:30.09 | clarissa | modprobe? |
| 18:30.17 | CrocoJet | by default .. debian 3.1 came with stock kernel |
| 18:30.33 | valdyn_ | clarissa: ops, its bttv, check with lsmod | grep bttv |
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| 18:30.49 | CrocoJet | I dont know setup kernel options to compile |
| 18:30.52 | lord_rob | hi ! my laptop doesn't have a floppy disk. however grub wants to access /dev/fd0. How do I tell grub (and also the rest of the system) that there's no /dev/fd0 ? |
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| 18:31.13 | clarissa | valdyn_: it show me at all 1 2 or 3 but at bttv i have a 0 |
| 18:31.27 | valdyn_ | clarissa: that is alright. |
| 18:31.29 | CrocoJet | andersb, what is your version kernel ? |
| 18:31.35 | andersb | CrocoJet: Then you are stuck. Until you find a kernel for your system. |
| 18:31.39 | valdyn_ | clarissa: 'lsmod | grep videodev' |
| 18:31.49 | andersb | CrocoJet: Running 30 systems. |
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| 18:31.58 | andersb | CrocoJet: All 2.4 |
| 18:32.01 | clarissa | valdyn_: videodev 9856 1 bttv |
| 18:32.22 | CrocoJet | andersb, interesting |
| 18:32.27 | m2 | clarissa: try: mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 |
| 18:32.31 | CrocoJet | sounds stable version |
| 18:32.45 | clarissa | that worked m2 no errors |
| 18:32.52 | valdyn_ | clarissa: hmm, then the device files should exist too |
| 18:32.53 | andersb | CrocoJet: Yeah, 2.6 is still "unstable" in my opinion. |
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| 18:33.11 | CrocoJet | oh |
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| 18:33.17 | valdyn_ | clarissa: unless you have some kind of custom /dev/ |
| 18:33.24 | andersb | CrocoJet: For production boxes. |
| 18:33.31 | GenghisZ | how can i make it so that other users cannot see all processes on the machine by running a simple ps aux? |
| 18:33.36 | clarissa | but tvtime shows me cant open /dev/video0 |
| 18:33.53 | m2 | clarissa: ls -l /dev/video0 |
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| 18:34.03 | beardy | GenghisZ: Don't allow untrusted users to have access to your box? |
| 18:34.10 | clarissa | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 81, 0 2005-09-04 20:32 /dev/video0 |
| 18:34.11 | lakcaj | GenghisZ, chmod /bin/ps? |
| 18:34.27 | lakcaj | GenghisZ, chmod 700 perhaps? |
| 18:34.41 | GenghisZ | thx lakcaj |
| 18:34.56 | beardy | lakcaj: What stops anyone from having their own ps in ~/bin? |
| 18:35.28 | lakcaj | beardy, nothing I suppose, that's why both my statements ended in question marks. |
| 18:35.43 | beardy | lakcaj: Ok. |
| 18:35.49 | valdyn_ | clarissa: i'd run 'modprobe -r bttv && modprobe bttv' and look at 'dmesg' if your card is really found. |
| 18:35.51 | clarissa | at the install from tvtime i saw a question something with root |
| 18:35.52 | lakcaj | beardy, I was actually wonder, before, if there was a way to stop users from being able to execute commands within their home directories. |
| 18:35.57 | m2 | clarissa: just to figure out if this works try chmod a+rw /dev/video0 |
| 18:36.01 | lakcaj | *wondering |
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| 18:36.35 | m2 | valdyn_: the card seems to be there... i guess it's something about permissions |
| 18:36.38 | clarissa | bttv0: detected: Twinhan VisionPlus DVB-T [card=113], PCI subsystem ID is 1822:0001 |
| 18:36.38 | clarissa | bttv0: using: Twinhan DST + clones [card=113,autodetected] |
| 18:36.53 | beardy | lakcaj: The first thing is, do not allow people you do not trust to have access to your machine. |
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| 18:37.23 | valdyn_ | m2: /dev/video0 should not have to be created manually |
| 18:37.44 | m2 | valdyn_: lack of udev/devfs/... perhaps... |
| 18:37.51 | m4csim | I don't remember with who I was talking about audio .mpc file, but I fount the anwser, add the debian rep: 'deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable/ ./' and install xmms-musepack, and it's done, you can hear .mpc file, more information here http://rarewares.org/debian.html |
| 18:37.52 | GenghisZ | beardy: thats just a stupid answer don't you think |
| 18:38.01 | clarissa | at the install from tvtime i saw a question with make something root @ m2 |
| 18:38.05 | GenghisZ | its like: what to do against aids? -> don't have sex |
| 18:38.11 | beardy | GenghisZ: Please give a better one then. |
| 18:38.26 | valdyn_ | clarissa: you could always run tvtime as root for testing purposes to eliminate permission issues |
| 18:38.27 | beardy | GenghisZ: I don't think it is a stupid answer. |
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| 18:38.40 | abrotman | beardy: GenghisZ lakcaj mount /home noexec .. i think |
| 18:38.43 | GenghisZ | well, i used grsec, and it worked fine |
| 18:38.46 | m2 | lakcaj: you can mount /hmewth noexec |
| 18:38.48 | abrotman | do i win a prize? |
| 18:38.49 | clarissa | okay valdyn_ i'll try ^^ |
| 18:38.54 | GenghisZ | but the new updates don't work together really well |
| 18:38.59 | beardy | !win abrotman |
| 18:38.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
| 18:39.08 | abrotman | !prize beardy |
| 18:39.12 | paulswm | A time machine ticket! |
| 18:39.15 | kpkg | i want to buy a laptop and i think i would by Acer Aspire 1692WLMi, anyone knows if debian works fine on it? |
| 18:39.19 | clarissa | valdyn_: i cant choose video input |
| 18:39.22 | helix | hm, are the marillat mplayer packages uninstallable for anyone else? |
| 18:39.43 | takatumi | helix: which version? |
| 18:39.46 | abrotman | helix: the packages or the repository unacessible ? |
| 18:39.46 | clarissa | kpkg dont buy this i know a better :) |
| 18:39.52 | helix | 1:1.0-pre7-0.0 |
| 18:40.04 | helix | abrotman: depends on stuff that's no longer in unstable, afaict |
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| 18:40.11 | brullo | kpkg Debian unstable/2.6 works like a dream on ny IBM Thinkpad X41 |
| 18:40.30 | lakcaj | m2, will that only work if /home is on its own partition? |
| 18:40.36 | helix | if not mplayer, what can I use to watch the videos on cnn? |
| 18:40.47 | Shadur | lakcaj: Yeah |
| 18:40.49 | Shadur | helix: xine |
| 18:40.51 | clarissa | kpkg: buy another buy "Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M3438" thats amazing :D and have geforce6800go ^^ |
| 18:40.52 | helix | I was trying to get the mplayer plugin |
| 18:40.54 | helix | Shadur: how?? |
| 18:40.57 | takatumi | helix: ii mplayer-386 1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0. here. |
| 18:40.58 | helix | er, minus one question mark |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | helen: they are wmv .. and the stupid web page uses detection .. i don't think you can download just the movies |
| 18:41.07 | helix | takatumi: hrm, with ftp.nerim.net ? |
| 18:41.14 | takatumi | works and installed fine. yup. |
| 18:41.19 | helix | how odd.. |
| 18:41.31 | abrotman | helix: i use totem/xine to watch wmv .. i just installed the win32 codec package from marillat |
| 18:41.35 | helix | takatumi: I have this line: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 18:41.52 | m2 | lakcaj: yup :-/ |
| 18:41.54 | valdyn_ | clarissa: ls -l /dev/dvb |
| 18:42.05 | clarissa | he cant find a tv signal pours |
| 18:42.15 | cookiemonster | how can make my box register its hostname within the network's dns? |
| 18:42.23 | clarissa | he cant find directory valdyn_ |
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| 18:42.28 | helix | takatumi: I was trying 586, maybe 386 will do.. |
| 18:42.29 | Zugschlus | cookiemonster: are you talking microsoft AD? |
| 18:42.33 | takatumi | helix: fwiw, I have sid instead of unstable there. :) |
| 18:42.39 | Zugschlus | or standards-compliant DNS update? |
| 18:42.45 | helix | takatumi: interesting |
| 18:42.48 | cookiemonster | Zugschlus: the server side is by microsoft, yes |
| 18:42.48 | jethro | !test |
| 18:43.05 | clarissa | valdyn_: cant find directory is the output from "ls -l /dev/dvb" |
| 18:43.06 | Zugschlus | cookiemonster: if you find out how to do that, please by any means write a HOWTO and publish it |
| 18:43.16 | cookiemonster | Zugschlus: heh, k |
| 18:43.34 | beardy | jethro: Failed. Wrong syntax. |
| 18:43.35 | Zugschlus | cookiemonster: from my research, this has something to do with ADS machine accounts and kerberos authentication. Surprisingly non-trivial stuff |
| 18:43.55 | cookiemonster | Zugschlus: i highly doubt that you need kerberos for that |
| 18:44.06 | helix | takatumi: ha, that works. how bizarre |
| 18:44.18 | Zugschlus | cookiemonster: do you speak german by any chance? |
| 18:44.26 | jethro | beardy: I was just willing to see if dpkg still ignores me, which seams to be the case. I really wonder why though. |
| 18:44.33 | beardy | !test |
| 18:44.34 | dpkg | Sorry, beardy, I didn't get your test. |
| 18:44.35 | gnd | why would I not get any reply to /msg dpkg sarge firefox |
| 18:44.41 | clarissa | Zugschlus: i speak german :) |
| 18:44.45 | cookiemonster | Zugschlus: yes i do. from what i just heard, you can set the need for kbr within windows |
| 18:44.48 | gnd | or to /msg dpkg kde3.4 |
| 18:44.52 | beardy | jethro: Hmm, yeah seems like he does. |
| 18:45.04 | takatumi | gnd: info foo sarge |
| 18:45.07 | abrotman | jethro: you have to ask dondelelcaro to have dpkg listen to you again |
| 18:45.16 | Zugschlus | cookiemonster: I'll point you towards my last discussion attempt on Usenet regarding that topic |
| 18:45.24 | abrotman | hey .. the Mummy is in Hard Target |
| 18:45.26 | deadcat | i am having problem printing these chars on my xterm: http://www.gilesorr.com/bashprompt/prompts/red.png any idea? |
| 18:45.39 | brothers | /t |
| 18:45.42 | ke6isf | gnd: Do you have a registered nick? |
| 18:45.50 | cookiemonster | Zugschlus: ta |
| 18:45.55 | gnd | probably not |
| 18:45.57 | jethro | abrotman: I'd be willing to know why it ignores me in the first place |
| 18:45.58 | Zugschlus | cookiemonster: <d84bnu$po1$1@news1.tnib.de> ff, 2005-06-07 |
| 18:46.00 | abrotman | !tell gnd sarge firefox |
| 18:46.05 | abrotman | jethro: he asked it to |
| 18:46.10 | abrotman | !tell gnd about sarge firefox |
| 18:46.13 | paulswm | jethro: Did you tell dpkg to forget stuff, more than a couple of forgets can make dpkg ignore you for abuse for a couple of days |
| 18:46.15 | abrotman | !tell gnd about kde3.4 |
| 18:46.15 | ke6isf | gnd: If you're not sure, you don't. /msg nickserv help and register your nick. |
| 18:46.15 | jethro | abrotman: that's not telling why |
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| 18:46.26 | Zugschlus | clarissa: good to know that ;) |
| 18:46.28 | abrotman | jethro: his discretion ? :) |
| 18:46.29 | jethro | paulswm: no I just tried to update the beer factoid, when I was drunk the other day |
| 18:46.31 | gnd | thanks guys! |
| 18:46.34 | deadcat | what does it mean "requires VGA"? for non-ascii chars |
| 18:46.44 | paulswm | !beat jethro |
| 18:46.46 | abrotman | jethro: it's locked now .. with Guinness spelled Guiness :) |
| 18:46.47 | valdyn_ | clarissa: try google maybe, you seem to be missing modules for dvb specifically, like dvb-bt8xx or bt878 |
| 18:46.58 | Althaser | can I do chown -R user:user /mnt/dir/ ?? |
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| 18:47.02 | jethro | abrotman: actually raseac has better beers :) |
| 18:47.08 | deadcat | Althaser: yes. |
| 18:47.12 | paulswm | raseac is a better bot |
| 18:47.23 | abrotman | jethro: locked now .. i can't change/fix it |
| 18:47.25 | clarissa | okay valdyn_ i know a site for this drivers ^^ |
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| 18:47.35 | jethro | abrotman: I got it, but I don't really care :) |
| 18:47.36 | Althaser | deadcat chown: changing ownership of `/mnt/dir/': Operation not permitted why ? |
| 18:47.45 | deadcat | Althaser: your not root |
| 18:47.45 | valdyn_ | clarissa: oh, you have them, they're just not loaded, probably |
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| 18:47.57 | Althaser | deadcat yes i am |
| 18:47.58 | clarissa | how to load valdyn_ ? |
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| 18:48.01 | paulswm | Althaser: only root can chown |
| 18:48.05 | valdyn_ | clarissa: with modprobe |
| 18:48.07 | Althaser | I'm on root |
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| 18:48.22 | abrotman | Althaser: what command did you use ? |
| 18:48.24 | jethro | abrotman: I'm more concerned with the bot ignoring me, so I'll have to use either apt or ravenbird to help people in need for support when their cases are already covered by an existing factoid |
| 18:48.43 | deadcat | Althaser: you've been rooted |
| 18:48.43 | abrotman | jethro: i think Fieldy filled ravenbird with a lot of dpkg's factoids |
| 18:48.57 | Althaser | abrotman "chown user:user -R /mnt/dir/" |
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| 18:49.00 | clarissa | valdyn_: module bt878 not found as i choose modprobe |
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| 18:49.34 | Althaser | deadcat ?? |
| 18:49.38 | abrotman | Althaser: why would you use -R ? |
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| 18:49.54 | deadcat | Althaser: someone got into your box and now has root access |
| 18:49.57 | valdyn_ | clarissa: uname -r |
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| 18:50.14 | abrotman | deadcat: don't say that |
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| 18:50.19 | Althaser | deadcat why you say that ? |
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| 18:50.28 | clarissa | valdyn_: 2.6.8-2-386 my machine is a i686 machine |
| 18:50.34 | deadcat | abrotman: only explaination |
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| 18:50.39 | abrotman | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:50.41 | clarissa | but i could only take the i386 debian |
| 18:50.42 | abrotman | deadcat: not really |
| 18:50.55 | abrotman | Althaser: what kind of filesystem is on the mounted partition? |
| 18:51.03 | deadcat | abrotman: admit it. hes fucked |
| 18:51.08 | Althaser | abrotman it is indifferent with -R it gives me the same |
| 18:51.12 | m2 | clarissa: can you paste the output of lsmod somewhere? |
| 18:51.13 | Althaser | abrotman vfat |
| 18:51.17 | clarissa | abrotman: whats this for a image? for i686 machines? |
| 18:51.18 | deadcat | abrotman: hahah |
| 18:51.22 | valdyn_ | clarissa: !find bt878.ko |
| 18:51.23 | abrotman | Althaser: vfat doesn't support owners like that |
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| 18:51.42 | deadcat | clarissa: modprobe -l |grep 878 |
| 18:51.45 | valdyn_ | !find bt878.ko |
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| 18:51.51 | Althaser | only root can support vfat ?? |
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| 18:51.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bt878.ko' (3 of 25): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/bt8xx/bt878.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/bt8xx/bt878.ko) in base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/bt8xx/bt878.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. |
| 18:52.00 | deadcat | Althaser: no. you cant change vfat fs |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | Althaser: no .. vfat doesn't have permissions like that |
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| 18:52.16 | abrotman | Althaser: why are you trying to change the owner of the files ? |
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| 18:52.25 | Althaser | humm |
| 18:52.28 | clarissa | deadcat: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/bt8xx/bt878.ko |
| 18:52.34 | deadcat | Althaser: you want to man mount and fstab for uid |
| 18:52.35 | Althaser | because i want write on it |
| 18:52.46 | paulswm | Althaser: Actually you should say "chown -R xx:xx ...", not "chown xx:xx -R ..." |
| 18:52.50 | abrotman | Althaser: what are the ls -l on /mnt/dir ? |
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| 18:53.07 | Althaser | deadcat i have it mounted |
| 18:53.15 | Althaser | paulswm oky ;) |
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| 18:53.17 | deadcat | Althaser: no.. man and search for the uid option |
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| 18:53.22 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 18:53.22 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 18:53.31 | clarissa | deadcat: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/bt8xx/bt878.ko |
| 18:53.47 | deadcat | clarissa: looks right.. |
| 18:54.06 | clarissa | deadcat: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 <---what does this? |
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| 18:54.49 | deadcat | clarissa: i dont know. must be a typo |
| 18:55.02 | Althaser | abrotman total 0 |
| 18:55.04 | clarissa | deadcat: because i have a i686 machine and my kernel is only a i383 kernel |
| 18:55.05 | aedi | Hi! I'm really new to linux, and I want to install Debian... I've just downloaded the 180mb netinst image... when I boot, the debian boot screen appears, then some loading.. and suddenly my screen went black.. Can somebody please help me? |
| 18:55.23 | abrotman | !tell Althaser about vfatrw |
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| 18:55.32 | abrotman | aedi: laptop ? |
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| 18:55.42 | aedi | abrotman nope! |
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| 18:55.51 | abrotman | aedi: did you try both 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 18:56.00 | Althaser | abrotman is the same for ntfsrw ? |
| 18:56.12 | deadcat | clarissa: doesnt matter.. but you can always apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 and find the one for your arch |
| 18:56.12 | abrotman | Althaser: you said it was vfat |
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| 18:56.22 | Althaser | yeah it is |
| 18:56.27 | cadu | hello! there isn't cherrytemplate debs on debian's repository ? |
| 18:56.33 | Althaser | but can i write in ntfs ? |
| 18:56.38 | abrotman | Althaser: writing to ntfs with linux isn't very safe |
| 18:56.40 | deadcat | Althaser: you can |
| 18:56.42 | aedi | abrotman: 2.6 and 3.1 i think? |
| 18:56.44 | deadcat | but nto recommented |
| 18:56.50 | Althaser | hum oky |
| 18:56.56 | Althaser | thanks a lot for you time dudes :D |
| 18:56.58 | helix | what is cherrytemplate? |
| 18:57.00 | cadu | when they'll break ntfs write code ? |
| 18:57.03 | abrotman | aedi: no .. i mean .. you can either hit enter and it boots 2.4 or you type linux26 and it boots 2.6 |
| 18:57.03 | ke6isf | cadu: cherrytemplate? |
| 18:57.08 | abrotman | aedi: do they both fail? |
| 18:57.14 | Althaser | i will do that ;) and using vfat ;) |
| 18:57.15 | cadu | helix: simple templating system that the cherrypy guys created |
| 18:57.16 | paulswm | writing to ntfs from linux is, IMHO, a Very Bad Idea. |
| 18:57.17 | Althaser | thanks |
| 18:57.29 | cadu | !cherrytemplate |
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| 18:57.35 | cadu | !cherrypy |
| 18:57.36 | ke6isf | cadu: dpkg doesn't know either. |
| 18:57.41 | cadu | :'( |
| 18:57.46 | drac | cherrypy-examples ? |
| 18:57.58 | cadu | drac: no it's a separate templating lib |
| 18:58.05 | drac | ok |
| 18:58.07 | aedi | abrotman: I just hit enter... the guy who made me the disc told me to type linux26 .. but when sould I type it? this must sound really stupid :P |
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| 18:58.32 | abrotman | aedi: when the little debian logo is there .. type linux26 before hitting enter |
| 18:58.35 | ke6isf | cadu: Try 'apt-cache search cherrypy' |
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| 18:58.44 | ke6isf | !beer drac |
| 18:58.46 | aedi | hmm ok.. Ill try now.. |
| 18:59.24 | ShortWave | hi all |
| 18:59.29 | ShortWave | apt is giving me odd errors again |
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| 18:59.38 | ShortWave | gimme a second to get it pasted |
| 18:59.47 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:59.47 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 19:00.13 | alvanson | ahh... online radio is playing good musics again |
| 19:00.21 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 19:00.30 | cadu | alvanson -> http://crash-override.net:8000/radio.ogg |
| 19:00.34 | cadu | i broadcast there (doing it now) |
| 19:00.37 | cadu | ^^ |
| 19:00.41 | alvanson | cadu: what kind of musics? |
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| 19:00.55 | cadu | alvanson: check them and QUEUE next songs on http://foda-se.ath.cx:8080/ |
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| 19:01.01 | paulswm | This place is far too subdued today |
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| 19:01.25 | ShortWave | http://channels.debian.net/paste/650 |
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| 19:01.30 | ke6isf | paulswm: Betcha it's a combination of people not wanting to deal with spambots and the 3-day weekend. |
| 19:01.35 | cadu | alvanson: tried? |
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| 19:01.40 | alvanson | not yet |
| 19:02.03 | paulswm | ke6isf: Yes, the damn spambots, it's like a plague of locusts |
| 19:02.12 | abrotman | ShortWave: man dpkg |
| 19:02.15 | ke6isf | paulswm: That's why I lurve +E. |
| 19:02.16 | aedi | abrotman: I'm just getting the large bootscreen with the debian logo... I'm I supposed to type linux26 here? |
| 19:02.26 | paulswm | ke6isf: Yes, me too :) |
| 19:02.41 | cadu | alvanson: you can use the queuesytem only to see the playlist and see if there's something you like |
| 19:02.42 | ShortWave | abrotman: Gee, that's real helpful |
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| 19:03.04 | ke6isf | ShortWave: Why are 807 packages not upgraded? |
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| 19:03.16 | abrotman | ShortWave: it will be when you read it :) .. you want the --force-overwrite section |
| 19:03.25 | abrotman | aedi: yep |
| 19:03.35 | alvanson | cadu: not my kinda music sir. |
| 19:03.44 | paulswm | I agree, abrotman was being very helpful. |
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| 19:03.55 | cadu | alvanson: okz : '( |
| 19:03.56 | ShortWave | ke6isf: I dunno...I ran dist-upgrade last nithg |
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| 19:03.57 | ShortWave | err |
| 19:03.58 | ShortWave | night |
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| 19:04.14 | cadu | alvanson: what do you like ? |
| 19:04.17 | ke6isf | ShortWave: And what did you upgrade from? |
| 19:04.20 | alvanson | cadu: metal |
| 19:04.21 | ShortWave | abrotman: You see, that's all you had to say was the --force-overwrite business. |
| 19:04.27 | cadu | alvanson : satriani ! |
| 19:04.30 | aedi | abrotman: When I type linux26 nothing appears on my screen? is it supposed to? when I write it and then press enter, the same thing happends..some loading, the the black screen |
| 19:04.33 | ShortWave | abrotman: But that begs another question |
| 19:04.34 | abrotman | ShortWave: i thought if you read it you might see what you were looking for |
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| 19:04.48 | alvanson | cadu: if you knew me, you'd never guess too |
| 19:04.50 | abrotman | aedi: you mean you type linux26 .. and the letters don't appear ? |
| 19:05.05 | cadu | alvanson: ehhehe |
| 19:05.05 | aedi | abrotman: correct |
| 19:05.12 | abrotman | aedi: what kind of keyboard ? |
| 19:05.13 | ShortWave | Well i suppose that particular file isn't that terribly important... |
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| 19:05.22 | ke6isf | aedi: Hit F1 first, then type it? |
| 19:05.27 | ShortWave | Tho I wonder about other conflicting files |
| 19:05.28 | aedi | abrotman: caompaq usb? |
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| 19:05.34 | aedi | compaq* |
| 19:05.37 | abrotman | aedi: got a ps2 lying around ? |
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| 19:05.39 | fhffhqvb | COMPAQQQQ |
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| 19:05.51 | abrotman | aedi: or try to set it to legacy mode in the bios |
| 19:05.59 | alvanson | fhffhqvb: oh nos, teh trash! |
| 19:06.03 | aedi | abrotman: sure, but the mainboard doesn't have ps2 input.. :/ |
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| 19:06.13 | ke6isf | ShortWave: What version of Debian are you upgrading from? |
| 19:06.15 | abrotman | aedi: try the bios option then ... |
| 19:06.16 | viper | how do I see which packages I have installed ? |
| 19:06.22 | abrotman | viper: dpkg -l |
| 19:06.29 | viper | thnx |
| 19:06.33 | aedi | abrotman: I have enabled USB support in bios.. |
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| 19:06.39 | ShortWave | ke6isf: I believe it was sid unstable from like a year and a half ago |
| 19:06.41 | alvanson | fhffhqvb: but the card crumbles due to crappiness before it could even begin piercing the first layer of skin |
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| 19:06.54 | ShortWave | oh wait no |
| 19:06.56 | abrotman | aedi: does it have a legacy option ? |
| 19:06.57 | ShortWave | This machine is knoppix |
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| 19:07.07 | deadcat | what does it mean "requires VGA"? for non-ascii chars |
| 19:07.07 | ke6isf | !knoppixsmite ShortWave |
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| 19:07.14 | ShortWave | heh |
| 19:07.21 | cadu | aedi: usb legacy is for using the ubs keyboard as a ps2 one...it'll work on apps that don't support usb keyboards as DOS |
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| 19:07.48 | Tyler | hello |
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| 19:08.10 | ke6isf | ShortWave: FWIW, I don't think you can really dist-upgrade from Sid, since there's really nothing to upgrade to beyond "unstable".... |
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| 19:08.31 | ke6isf | 'Course, I could be wrong... |
| 19:08.41 | mithro | is there a way to find out which packages in the debian tree depend on another package? |
| 19:09.09 | ke6isf | mithro: 'apt-cache show pkgname', look at the Depends: field. |
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| 19:09.30 | ShortWave | ke6isf: Maybe it was an earlier version that I used then. The machine I was upgrading seemed to have a few minor issues, but once I worked past them, it works fine. |
| 19:09.41 | ShortWave | How do I pass options through to dpkg from apt? |
| 19:09.44 | abrotman | aedi: find it ? |
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| 19:09.54 | ShortWave | Since I'm trying to apt-get -f install |
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| 19:10.01 | abrotman | ShortWave: -o |
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| 19:10.18 | ke6isf | ShortWave: Gotta leave it to you, though. I won't touch unstable with a 10M cattleprod. |
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| 19:10.25 | aedi | abrotman: No, I can't find it.. |
| 19:10.35 | abrotman | aedi: there's no option in the bios ? |
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| 19:10.48 | aedi | abrotman: nope :/ |
| 19:10.53 | CrocoJet | Kernel compiler version : 3.3.6 |
| 19:10.53 | CrocoJet | Detected compiler version : 3.3.5 |
| 19:11.10 | CrocoJet | where I can find gcc 3.3.6 ? |
| 19:11.12 | cadu | CrocoJet: apt-get upgrade ? :) |
| 19:11.18 | ShortWave | Well that doesn't cut it |
| 19:11.30 | ShortWave | Perhaps it needs to be in the form Apt::somevalue=true? |
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| 19:12.06 | CrocoJet | damn |
| 19:12.10 | mithro | ke6isf: thats the wrong way around, if i have some package say "libxxx" I want to know all packages which require you to install libxxx |
| 19:12.26 | ShortWave | abrotman: Is there a special way I have to pass the argument? |
| 19:12.27 | ke6isf | mithro: Ah, OK. |
| 19:12.28 | abrotman | aedi: so you have no ps2 keyboard and no legacy option? .. how are you supposed to install any OS :) |
| 19:12.29 | alvanson | mithro: aptitude provides you with that informations |
| 19:12.30 | CrocoJet | said: You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with |
| 19:12.30 | CrocoJet | a compiler different from the one that was used to compile |
| 19:12.30 | CrocoJet | the running kernel. |
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| 19:12.36 | quittt | is possible to play enemy territory and listen XMMS? |
| 19:12.39 | abrotman | ShortWave: it's just that one you're trying to install ? |
| 19:12.42 | ShortWave | abrotman: Since -o = "--force-overwrite" doesn't appear to work. |
| 19:12.52 | ShortWave | abrotman: I originally started out trying to upgrade kde |
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| 19:13.02 | ShortWave | At this point, I might as well upgrade the whole machine |
| 19:13.09 | alvanson | mithro: AHA! apt-cache rdepends libxxx |
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| 19:13.30 | ShortWave | abrotman: And no, I'm not just installing one package. |
| 19:13.33 | abrotman | ShortWave: cd /var/cache/apt/archives ; dpkg -i --force-overwrite packageyourehavingaproblemwith.deb |
| 19:13.34 | CrocoJet | have gcc 4.0 ... |
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| 19:13.41 | CrocoJet | may be works |
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| 19:13.59 | ShortWave | That's something of a brute-force solution |
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| 19:14.33 | CrocoJet | why nvidia is so hard in linux ? |
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| 19:14.36 | Axioplase | Hi! |
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| 19:14.48 | alvanson | HI! |
| 19:14.49 | aedi | abrotman: I have a ps2 keyboard.. but no ps2-input at the motherboard :P .. I installed windows 2003.. The keyboard worked through the installation.. and When I press enter at the Debian "boot-screen" it works? |
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| 19:14.57 | vincent58 | hello |
| 19:15.01 | vincent58 | dd |
| 19:15.06 | vincent58 | sory |
| 19:15.10 | abrotman | aedi: but when you type letters .. they don't appear ? |
| 19:15.13 | alvanson | not gonna find those here |
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| 19:15.20 | chealer | CrocoJet, NVIDIA isn't hard unless you want 3D acceleration |
| 19:15.21 | Axioplase | Is it possible to tell apt which server to use? because two I use timeout right now, and I don't want to edit my sourcelist for that... |
| 19:15.26 | aedi | abrotman: That's correct! |
| 19:15.31 | CrocoJet | heheheheh |
| 19:15.32 | abrotman | aedi: ok .. this is just weird :) |
| 19:15.42 | CrocoJet | i will put mynvidia board .. trash |
| 19:15.42 | aedi | abrotman: yeah, I guess.. :P |
| 19:15.48 | CrocoJet | and linux also ..lol |
| 19:15.52 | ke6isf | Axioplase: Remove a server, add a different one using apt-setup? |
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| 19:15.58 | abrotman | aedi: what kind of machine is it ? |
| 19:16.22 | CrocoJet | I think 3D .. only windows |
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| 19:16.25 | Axioplase | ke6isf: I'd prefer apt-get isntall --server apt.foo.bar isntall package |
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| 19:16.38 | abrotman | ShortWave: get it ? |
| 19:17.10 | lakcaj | is there a swedish debian channel? |
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| 19:17.16 | abrotman | !se |
| 19:17.16 | dpkg | well, se is Social Engineering |
| 19:17.19 | abrotman | !.se |
| 19:17.19 | dpkg | well, .se is Sweden |
| 19:17.19 | aedi | PIII 700mhz... Siemens fujitsu.. I just wanted to use it for linux.. maybe a webserver or something. |
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| 19:17.24 | paulswm | !swedish |
| 19:17.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, swedish is Det finns en svenskspråkig kanal där du kan ställa dina frågor på svenska. #debian.se (There is a channel with swedish as it's main language, there you can ask questions in swedish. #debian.se) |
| 19:17.25 | abrotman | lakcaj: guess not |
| 19:17.27 | abrotman | oh |
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| 19:17.30 | abrotman | who knew |
| 19:17.56 | lakcaj | abrotman, paulswm: thanks |
| 19:18.15 | aedi | abrotman: PIII 700mhz... Siemens fujitsu.. I just wanted to use it for linux.. maybe a webserver or something. |
| 19:18.20 | abrotman | !swedish s/it's/its/ |
| 19:18.26 | abrotman | !swedish =~ s/it's/its/ |
| 19:18.27 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 19:18.32 | ke6isf | Axioplase: Check the documentation for such an option. Don't know if it's there - kinda doubt it. |
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| 19:18.40 | abrotman | aedi: you have broadband htough ? |
| 19:18.48 | ShortWave | abrotman: Yeah, that fixed it...there's no option like Dpkg::forceOverwrite=true kinda thing you can pass through apt? |
| 19:18.59 | aedi | abrotman: yeah 4mbit.. |
| 19:19.00 | cadu | !finnish |
| 19:19.00 | dpkg | finnish is probably better than norweigan, or a misspelling of a popular type of polish |
| 19:19.02 | abrotman | ShortWave: there is .. i can't remember it right now .. sorry :) |
| 19:19.04 | Axioplase | ke6isf: not in the manual page... maybe I should try to request it.. |
| 19:19.09 | cadu | !suomi |
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| 19:19.16 | abrotman | aedi: you can try the woody installer then upgrade to sarge ... |
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| 19:19.37 | aedi | abrotman: ok? where do I get :P hehe.. |
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| 19:19.53 | ke6isf | Axioplase: I doubt it'll be there, and it would be considered a Bad Thing due to the fact that you need to provide more than just a hostname for your server. If you're getting timeouts on a server, don't use it - like I said, remove it and use a different server. |
| 19:19.53 | abrotman | aedi: let me find it |
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| 19:20.04 | aedi | abrotman: thanks.. that would be great.. |
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| 19:21.26 | abrotman | aedi: http://debian.ethz.ch/debian-cd/3.0_r6/i386/debian-30r6-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso |
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| 19:21.41 | abrotman | aedi: your other alternative is to ask #debian-boot about your issues with the sarge netinst |
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| 19:21.55 | ke6isf | Axioplase: That said, it's just easier to keep all that state in the central config file. To force a particular server would be the harder way, which would in the end prove to be non-optimal. |
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| 19:23.03 | Axioplase | ke6isf: well... I don't think it would be non optimal, but whatever. I commented those servers from source.list |
| 19:23.27 | ShortWave | abrotman: You reckon I can dist-upgrade this machine (knoppix) and all will be well? |
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| 19:24.09 | aedi | abrotman: thanks!but I just realized that my keyboard worked.. I just pressed F1 at the bootscreen. and a "help-screen" I typed linux26(it appeared at the commandline), but the screen went black after some loading.. something about the display drivers? |
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| 19:24.12 | abrotman | ShortWave: dunno .. i don't touch knoppix |
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| 19:24.25 | abrotman | aedi: linux26 does the same thing ? |
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| 19:24.36 | aedi | abrotman: yeah.. :/ |
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| 19:24.38 | ke6isf | Axioplase: It would be actually - apt-get uses a central database that it retrieves from the servers in sources.list, so to tell it to use a server would require you to provide an absolute URL (or, it would just download the state files and record those, provided the correct arguments, causing the necessity to put the servers in the list anyway). If you think it'll work, yeah, submit a bug report as a suggestion - but I'll bet currency it'll be |
| 19:24.38 | ke6isf | rejected for the reasons I outlined. |
| 19:24.40 | gnd | how do you clear ipchains ? |
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| 19:25.51 | ke6isf | Axioplase: If you want to force a server for a particular package, you may as well just do everything by hand using wget/curl and dpkg. |
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| 19:26.40 | lw | good day |
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| 19:27.29 | dli | in 2.6.13 kernel, which option should I choose for "Preemption model" |
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| 19:28.58 | MuoX | hi, everybody, could anyone install Captive? |
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| 19:29.22 | jethro | MuoX: yes |
| 19:29.23 | ke6isf | !polls |
| 19:29.23 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 19:29.35 | aedi | abrotman: Do you have any more tips? |
| 19:29.39 | ShortWave | militant badgers? |
| 19:29.41 | aedi | hints.. |
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| 19:29.47 | ShortWave | Werd |
| 19:30.15 | ke6isf | ShortWave: Wait till they come out with Z instead. =^_^= |
| 19:30.22 | abrotman | aedi: just to ask #debian-boot |
| 19:30.28 | john | What is the newest debian release on "cdrom" |
| 19:30.29 | ShortWave | I've seen the press releases on Z, I'm not impressed thus far. |
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| 19:30.36 | john | Debian 3.0r4 ? |
| 19:30.38 | abrotman | john: sarge was released in June |
| 19:30.41 | abrotman | !d-i john |
| 19:30.41 | dpkg | john, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 19:30.48 | john | thanks |
| 19:30.59 | aedi | abrotman: thanks a lot.. I'll try that.. |
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| 19:32.18 | tvn | is there a way to disable blinking in the terminal ? when I log out of X, my terminal blinks |
| 19:32.26 | __filip_ | where can i download the unstabel debian? is it better hardware support there? |
| 19:32.54 | mikonian | how do i install the .deb file i just downloaded for opera? |
| 19:32.58 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 19:32.58 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 19:33.02 | cahoot | __filip_: all other support is definitely worse |
| 19:33.04 | abrotman | mikonian: man dpkg |
| 19:33.09 | mikonian | thanks |
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| 19:33.21 | monster | __filip_: change in apt.source from stable to testing |
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| 19:34.07 | monster | __filip_: and you can try testing without risk it runs well and you have the newest versions of software |
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| 19:34.19 | __filip_ | i have install debian but my keyboard dont work, but know when i am in ubuntu it work:S |
| 19:34.24 | __filip_ | monster: ok |
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| 19:35.17 | dli | I'm behind a router, do I need IPsec? |
| 19:35.18 | tvn | you have to configure it |
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| 19:35.32 | monster | dli: what for? |
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| 19:35.53 | monster | everybody is behind a router <lol> |
| 19:35.56 | dli | monster in kernel |
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| 19:36.11 | cadu | <lol>sure</lol> |
| 19:36.15 | dli | monster, a NAT router |
| 19:36.23 | cadu | montser :) |
| 19:36.28 | monster | dli: yeah I know :) |
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| 19:36.35 | dli | monster, so people can only connect to forwarded ports |
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| 19:36.42 | monster | dli: no you dont need ipsec |
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| 19:36.49 | dli | monster, thanks |
| 19:36.58 | abrotman | !ipsec |
| 19:36.58 | dpkg | ipsec is probably implemented for Linux with FreeS/WAN, or at http://www.freeswan.org/ IP Security, it allows you to do things like encrypt and authenticate and compress IP streams between two nodes/networks on the fly (kernel level), or even supported by >= Windows 2000, so you should know what it is, or for the love of $DEITY, include the cryptoapi stuff as 'Y' instead of 'M' or, you're screwed. |
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| 19:38.08 | monster | dli: you saw it |
| 19:38.20 | clue_less | is there a way to get a random number from /dev/random from shell script? |
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| 19:38.45 | abrotman | clue_less: #bash |
| 19:38.45 | cadu | clue_less: dd if=/dev/random bs=1b count=1 |
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| 19:39.01 | ShortWave | hey look at that |
| 19:39.02 | cadu | clue_less: bash has a $RANDOM magic variable too |
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| 19:39.10 | ShortWave | collaborate bash script writing |
| 19:39.39 | jdrake | Is there any way I can make a dvd that is apropriately arranged as a apt source for the current -testing? |
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| 19:40.07 | abrotman | jdrake: dvd images already exist |
| 19:40.07 | cadu | !apropriately-arranged-dvd-as-an-apt-source |
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| 19:40.17 | cadu | dpkg doesn't knows about that , sorry. |
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| 19:40.39 | gbrach | is there any one who can help with a 'locale' problem? |
| 19:40.49 | abrotman | gbrach: just ask |
| 19:40.52 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 19:40.52 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:41.14 | ke6isf | !ask |
| 19:41.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:41.52 | ShortWave | hrm |
| 19:41.55 | ShortWave | !meaning_of_life |
| 19:42.08 | abrotman | !meaning of life |
| 19:42.08 | dpkg | THE ANSWER LIES IN THE PUDDING, abrotman, or 42 |
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| 19:42.13 | ShortWave | ah |
| 19:42.14 | ShortWave | heh |
| 19:42.16 | cadu | !botabuse |
| 19:42.16 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 19:42.20 | ke6isf | !dict life |
| 19:42.22 | cadu | !botabuse-botabuse |
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| 19:42.27 | dpkg | Dictionary 'life' (3 of 53): (1995-04-21) ;; 12. A history of the acts and events of a life; a biography; as, Johnson wrote the life of Milton. ;; 2. Of human beings: The union of the soul and body; also, the duration of their union; sometimes, the deathless quality or existence of the soul; as, man is a creature having an immortal life.. |
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| 19:42.38 | cadu | !dict moron |
| 19:42.39 | dpkg | Dictionary 'moron' Moron \Mo*ron"\, n.; Sp. pl. Morones. [Sp.] An inferior olive size having a woody pulp and a large clingstone pit, growing in the mountainous and high-valley districts around the city of Moron, in Spain. |
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| 19:42.56 | gbrach | i ran localedef and my fonts and things are messed up because it can't find the correct local |
| 19:42.58 | ke6isf | Verrrrry interesting. |
| 19:43.13 | Falados | !dict dict |
| 19:43.15 | dpkg | could not find definition for dict |
| 19:43.18 | Falados | :( |
| 19:43.19 | gbrach | i don't want any locale |
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| 19:43.42 | ke6isf | gbrach: Why don't you want a locale? |
| 19:44.01 | gbrach | i don;t need it i guess only en |
| 19:44.07 | abrotman | you still need en |
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| 19:44.18 | gbrach | i thought all i needed was POSIX/C |
| 19:44.20 | Falados | !dict horse |
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| 19:44.22 | dpkg | Dictionary 'horse' (2 of 36): . Horse \Horse\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Horsed; p. pr. & vb. n. Horsing.] [AS. horsion.] 1. To provide with a horse, or with horses; to mount on, or as on, a horse. ``Being better horsed, outrode me.'' --Shak. ;; 3. Mounted soldiery; cavalry; -- used without the plural termination; as, a regiment of horse; -- distinguished from foot.. |
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| 19:44.29 | nirr | hi |
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| 19:44.33 | ke6isf | Falados: Please stop. |
| 19:44.49 | ke6isf | !tell Falados -about msg the bot |
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| 19:45.54 | lakcaj | How can I set the default permissions of files added to a specific directory. I would like it so that once a file is added, by any user, only root can remove it. |
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| 19:46.31 | abrotman | umask |
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| 19:46.47 | lakcaj | abrotman, ok thanks... I'll start reading |
| 19:46.49 | ke6isf | lakcaj: set permissions for 'rm' and 'mv' to root? |
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| 19:47.07 | gbrach | and don't forget cat |
| 19:47.10 | lakcaj | ke6isf, I want more flexibility than that |
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| 19:48.14 | gbrach | ke6isf or abrotman - how can i nulify all localedef and start again |
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| 19:48.31 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 19:48.32 | abrotman | i think |
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| 19:48.35 | deadcat | gbrach: unset LANG? (= |
| 19:48.36 | Chaz | I was so enjoying the Debian installer until I got this rather unimaginitive message: "Boot error" No, I'm not asking for help, I'm just complaining idly while it reinstalls. |
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| 19:48.52 | abrotman | Chaz: try sneakers? |
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| 19:49.39 | wjl | lakcaj: you should be able to make the folder root:group with the sticky bit set; try man chmod and look under "sticky directories" |
| 19:49.53 | gbrach | the unset LANG is what i also found doing google - thanks |
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| 19:50.04 | wjl | lakcaj: your users would have to be part of whatever group you set |
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| 19:50.52 | lakcaj | wjl, well, I want it so that even after an authorized user creates a file, he/she cannot remove it. |
| 19:50.54 | wjl | lakcaj: (although, users would be able to remove their own files, which maybe wasn't what you wanted) |
| 19:50.57 | lakcaj | :) |
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| 19:51.01 | nirr | iv got a routing prob, just added a router(10.0.0.138) to my lan, now my linux machine cant access the net, i tried to set the default route to the router , but nda |
| 19:51.06 | wjl | lakcaj: I see, that's trickier |
| 19:51.08 | nirr | is there more options ? |
| 19:51.09 | antgel_ | i'm in ipsec hell. shorewall / ipsec on 2.6 needs kernel and iptables patches. and debian 2.4 has a backport of the 2.6 ipsec code. grr. |
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| 19:52.10 | wjl | lakcaj: You can't do that without restricting what the user can run, since the filesystem has no way to enforce that rule in general |
| 19:52.27 | wjl | lakcaj: perhaps you can do it with extended fs acls, but I don't know enough about that to help you |
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| 19:53.22 | lakcaj | yeah... I don't think umask can be applied just to a specific directory. |
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| 19:53.42 | takatumi | come on sania! |
| 19:53.49 | theD3viL | !dmix |
| 19:53.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 19:54.33 | suppaman | hi |
| 19:54.35 | wjl | lakcaj: a very overkill solution would be to look into FUSE (userland filesystems kernel module) and write your own module to implement that =) |
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| 19:55.35 | TwistedEmotions | Question... I am going to buy a older dell laptop from one of my friends for like 70$... should I stick with windows or move it to debian... it's a 933Mhz oldschool laptop... basically my question is... in general... do HP laptops tend to be problematic as far as wireless, sleep functions, etc etc? |
| 19:55.38 | wjl | lakcaj: just not letting the users run 'mv' or 'rm' won't necessarily help--you'd have to prevent the users from running ANY program that could possibly ever call unlink(2) for them |
| 19:55.39 | lakcaj | wjl, that sounds too much like work :) |
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| 19:55.56 | TwistedEmotions | Sorry I meant HP.. not DELL. |
| 19:56.09 | wjl | lakcaj: what about this: make a directory that is just sticky like I said before--but have that just be an incoming directory |
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| 19:56.15 | suppaman | I'm running 2.4.26 on a motherboard with Via Apollo Pro133, actually the computer doesn't switch off by itself, what module do I need to load for ACPI ? |
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| 19:56.33 | wjl | lakcaj: then have a cron job that runs every so often (5 seconds? 30 seconds? 2 minutes?) and copies it to a read-only folder owned by root |
| 19:56.34 | chealer | TwistedEmotions, there's no general answer to that. only IBM may do considerably better |
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| 19:56.45 | TwistedEmotions | chealer: kk thanks. |
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| 19:56.51 | wjl | lakcaj: so they don't write the destination directory, they write to an "incoming" directory and it automatically gets moved |
| 19:57.13 | lakcaj | wjl, that is certainly an option. |
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| 19:57.25 | eyegore | what is the command that checks a drive for its properties such as file system and such? |
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| 19:57.41 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn 900mhz aint oldschool. thats P3 (=. faster than my desktop |
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| 19:57.57 | De_Mon | 900mhz is sooo last year |
| 19:58.02 | wjl | lakcaj: that's the best I can think of right now; it seems like it should work pretty well =) |
| 19:58.10 | eyegore | good for a file server |
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| 19:58.19 | De_Mon | eyegore fdisk and hdparm are the two I'd use |
| 19:58.22 | lakcaj | wjl, yeah... thanks for the ideas, I'll take them all under consideration. |
| 19:58.29 | wjl | lakcaj: okay, good luck |
| 19:58.34 | BobbyGrace | what is the best terminal texteditor ? |
| 19:58.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Weee... getting a new lappy. Since my dad stole old one :P |
| 19:58.44 | gbrach | that worked - to now open xserver - but I get 'unable to open fontset' now - i have fonts in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts and locale gives POSIX |
| 19:58.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. $70. (= thats cheaper than off the back of a truck. |
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| 19:59.01 | eyegore | k |
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| 19:59.04 | eyegore | tnx |
| 19:59.05 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: just meant it's a older model... looks uggggly and weighs a ton. |
| 19:59.07 | De_Mon | BobbyGrace everyone has their personal favorite.. exim vim, pico... |
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| 19:59.17 | streuner | deadcat: did you see my gallery? |
| 19:59.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: give that to your dad (=. |
| 19:59.20 | lakcaj | TwistedEmotions, it would be great, even just for a portable dvd player |
| 19:59.23 | quittt | is it possible to play ET and listen to XMMS like every other operating systems do? |
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| 19:59.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: It is... *Cough Cough: off the back of a truck.. kinda* |
| 19:59.38 | deadcat | streuner: ya. nice. but slow. and you should use gallery2. 1 has lots of bugs |
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| 19:59.46 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. nice. i love those deals |
| 19:59.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I want to... but he MIGHT notice a difference... |
| 19:59.56 | lakcaj | quittt, sure, if you soundcard can do hardware mixing, otherwise, try a sound server, or blame your hardware |
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| 20:00.10 | TwistedEmotions | lakcaj: Dont worry either way I will put it to good use ;) |
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| 20:00.20 | quittt | lakcaj, or blame alsa |
| 20:00.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahah |
| 20:00.47 | lakcaj | !tell quittt about dmix |
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| 20:01.00 | quittt | lakcaj, this shit doesnt work with OSS and ALSA |
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| 20:01.19 | quittt | it is all bullshit lakcaj |
| 20:01.21 | debian_n00b | hello |
| 20:01.22 | eyegore | it says linux but that could be any thing |
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| 20:01.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: whats the model? |
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| 20:01.46 | lakcaj | quittt, I'm in the same boat you are. I have to turn off xmms to watch a dvd trailer in firefox. I just live with it. |
| 20:01.50 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: whens school start anyway? |
| 20:01.52 | debian_n00b | I installed debian and I can't use gnome any idea? |
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| 20:02.01 | deadcat | debian_n00b: tasksel |
| 20:02.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: looking for it now.. akash isnt picking up the line ;P it was HP Pavillion n5XXX? |
| 20:02.16 | debian_n00b | deadcat: wtf ? |
| 20:02.17 | ke6isf | debian_n00b: What are the symptoms? |
| 20:02.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: 26th |
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| 20:02.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah.. |
| 20:02.30 | debian_n00b | ke6isf: it doesn't run the grafix |
| 20:02.37 | deadcat | debian_n00b: what the fuck mothe rfucker? |
| 20:02.39 | eyegore | I am trying to move my installation to a larger drive without redoing the installation |
| 20:02.42 | antgel_ | !troll debian_n00b |
| 20:02.46 | wjl | debian_n00b: aptitude install gnome |
| 20:02.47 | gbrach | could someone look at this and tell me the directory that gives the error 'fprintf (stderr, "%s: unable to open fonts \"%s\" or \"%s\"\n",' http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ch-examples.en.html |
| 20:02.47 | ke6isf | debian_n00b: ...whyyy? |
| 20:02.49 | debian_n00b | deadcat: don't call me mother fucker |
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| 20:02.59 | deadcat | debian_n00b: what you gonna do? |
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| 20:03.04 | quittt | lakcaj, I just dont |
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| 20:03.08 | quittt | ALSA sux |
| 20:03.14 | cadu | ALSA rox |
| 20:03.16 | debian_n00b | deadcat: you don't have to be impolite if you don't know how to help me |
| 20:03.16 | deadcat | debian_n00b: asking for help and say wtf.... shiiit |
| 20:03.17 | ke6isf | debian_n00b: I fold now. If you're going to be rude, NO HELP FOR YOU. |
| 20:03.20 | cadu | !start a sound backend war. |
| 20:03.25 | debian_n00b | deadcat: I don't understand tasksel |
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| 20:03.34 | deadcat | debian_n00b: run it |
| 20:03.35 | quittt | linux community has to correct this problems if they want it to become a popular desktop |
| 20:03.38 | debian_n00b | wjl: I have gnome installed |
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| 20:03.55 | antgel_ | !troll quittt |
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| 20:04.06 | debian_n00b | whenever I boot, it switches from console to x |
| 20:04.07 | cadu | !botabuse |
| 20:04.08 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 20:04.15 | quittt | do you think normal user will understand what the fuck is happening the sound that in windows mixes and linux doesnt? |
| 20:04.16 | debian_n00b | and the screen is all screwed up |
| 20:04.22 | TwistedEmotions | debian_n00b: He DOES know how to help you... he told you the answer... tasksel... now YOU study what it is.. |
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| 20:04.30 | cadu | quittt: you jsut need a sound server |
| 20:04.32 | debian_n00b | deadcat: zsh: command not found: tasksel |
| 20:04.36 | cadu | quittt: like artsd or esound |
| 20:04.38 | SerajewelKS | is it possible run a program in some kind of wrapper such that all net connections are tunneled through SSH to another host, and sent out from there? kinda like a VPN but for one program only. |
| 20:04.42 | ke6isf | quittt: They won't understand what's happening no matter what kind of bug comes up in whatever operating system. |
| 20:04.43 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, apt-get install tasksel |
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| 20:04.54 | ke6isf | quittt: That's been demonstrated since Win95. |
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| 20:05.03 | debian_n00b | TwistedEmotions: just a single word isn't an answer. help me or just leave me alone, don't pick up the fight where deadcat left it |
| 20:05.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: command idiot not found.. what am I doing wrong? |
| 20:05.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. 26th.. midterm for me by that time. |
| 20:05.19 | deadcat | debian_n00b: no i will not leave you alone.. |
| 20:05.20 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ahaha that sucks.. |
| 20:05.21 | eyegore | time to break out the old linux administrators handbook |
| 20:05.29 | wjl | debian_n00b: tasksel is a program that can help select groups of packages |
| 20:05.38 | deadcat | me too |
| 20:05.40 | debian_n00b | ok I run tasksel |
| 20:05.41 | wjl | debian_n00b: you can also use Tasks under the program aptitude |
| 20:05.42 | TwistedEmotions | debian_n00b: I am evill!! HAHA!! I love eating children. |
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| 20:05.48 | antgel_ | ke6isf: took you long enough |
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| 20:05.53 | quittt | so why the fuck alsa doesnt have this? |
| 20:05.56 | debian_n00b | what is wrong with this channel? |
| 20:05.59 | wjl | debian_n00b: you should make sure that the virtual package called "gnome" is installed |
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| 20:06.07 | quittt | with the fuck dmix doesnt support OSS too? |
| 20:06.07 | debian_n00b | I only want help, and I get insults |
| 20:06.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: brb.. going to shower. |
| 20:06.11 | wjl | debian_n00b: people here are very rude sometimes, just ignore them |
| 20:06.17 | debian_n00b | wjl: gnome is installed. I checked it during the install |
| 20:06.28 | gbrach | i could use the help you want to give |
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| 20:06.36 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, just install tasksel with "apt-get install tasksel" and the run tasksel as root, select desktop environment |
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| 20:06.43 | wjl | debian_n00b: okay, so when you boot up do you get a login screen in X? you said something about it being messed up? |
| 20:06.49 | takatumi | TwistedEmotions: the latest fad is this one. /IGNORE #debian ALL -PUBLIC -ACTIONS |
| 20:06.51 | cadu | debian_n00b people here are very german sometimes, move along. |
| 20:06.55 | deadcat | that moron started it first. he asked for help and i said "tasksel", then he said "what the fuck?" |
| 20:07.05 | debian_n00b | wjl: it switches from console to grafix but the screen is all screwed up |
| 20:07.11 | ke6isf | takatumi: Wow, that'll make it *really* quiet in here. =^_^= |
| 20:07.19 | debian_n00b | cadu: what's wrong with german people? |
| 20:07.23 | cadu | !de |
| 20:07.23 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 20:07.28 | cadu | debian_n00b: :) |
| 20:07.31 | debian_n00b | cadu: taht's a cliché |
| 20:07.32 | valdyn_ | quittt: dmix does 'support' oss |
| 20:07.33 | wjl | debian_n00b: sounds like a problem with your X server setup. Are you running sarge or woody (or do you know?) |
| 20:07.38 | cadu | debian_n00b: are you a bot ? |
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| 20:07.47 | quittt | valdyn_, yes? |
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| 20:07.53 | quittt | valdyn_, so help me to co |
| 20:07.55 | cadu | !dmix |
| 20:07.55 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 20:08.05 | quittt | configure it... because reading this shit I cant do nothing |
| 20:08.06 | debian_n00b | wjl: I used the debian dvd shipped with linux journal. it's sarge |
| 20:08.15 | quittt | I want to have EVERYTHING mixed |
| 20:08.19 | quittt | if it is possible |
| 20:08.28 | ke6isf | !enter quittt |
| 20:08.29 | debian_n00b | cadu: no I'm not a bot |
| 20:08.34 | ke6isf | !enter |
| 20:08.34 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 20:08.35 | wjl | debian_n00b: my guess is that you probably need to fix the resolution of your X server setup |
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| 20:08.52 | quittt | ke6isf, that isnt fucking important at moment |
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| 20:08.58 | lakcaj | !tell debian_n00b about drx |
| 20:09.00 | valdyn_ | !whine |
| 20:09.01 | dpkg | somebody said whine was saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 20:09.04 | wjl | debian_n00b: you can do it by editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or by using dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:09.12 | debian_n00b | that's unbelievable how insulting people from #debian can be |
| 20:09.12 | antgel_ | why is anyone still trying to help quittt? |
| 20:09.13 | ke6isf | quittt: It kinda is, sir. |
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| 20:09.24 | cadu | !bugger |
| 20:09.24 | dpkg | it has been said that bugger is EEEWWW! I really needed that image... neat cars with wings and polkadots, conforming with the standards of HELL |
| 20:09.29 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: /usr/bin/vncviewer not found. O_o how did this get installed then |
| 20:09.30 | antgel_ | debian_n00b: you should see how insulting we are to _good_ trolls |
| 20:09.33 | debian_n00b | wjl: I read what dpkg told me. typing the command |
| 20:09.38 | SynrG | /clear/clear |
| 20:09.40 | SynrG | clear |
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| 20:09.46 | debian_n00b | antgel_: why would I be a troll ?! |
| 20:09.47 | SynrG | ok, third time's the charm :) |
| 20:10.15 | antgel_ | debian_n00b: probably self-loathing manifesting itself |
| 20:10.20 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 20:10.23 | debian_n00b | wjl: I changed the resolution |
| 20:10.36 | debian_n00b | antgel_: just shut up will you? you're not helping so leave me alone |
| 20:10.52 | debian_n00b | lakcaj: I did that, rebooting to verify if it worked |
| 20:10.59 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, don't reboot |
| 20:11.01 | wjl | debian_n00b: after you change the settings, you need to restart your DM; if your using gdm, it'd be /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 20:11.05 | wjl | debian_n00b: no rebooting necessary |
| 20:11.05 | antgel_ | debian_n00b: you know full well how to ignore me, so get on with it. |
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| 20:11.11 | Coweater | i'm not sure what i've done but all my gtk1 apps are using horrible fonts/themes and i'm not sure how i can change it, running testing and xfce 4.2 |
| 20:11.15 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, just press ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:11.26 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, never mind what I just said |
| 20:11.31 | debian_n00b | antgel_: you're not supposed to piss me off until I ignore you. please behave, don't be so childish |
| 20:11.34 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, forgot you aren't in X at all yet |
| 20:11.47 | wjl | debian_n00b: (ctrl-alt-backsapce will work if you switch to the messed up X first) |
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| 20:12.10 | debian_n00b | wjl: I ssh to the box to type commands, as the screen is screwed up when I boot X |
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| 20:12.25 | cookiemonster | is there a tool to change the encoding of a textfile? |
| 20:12.45 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, ctrl-alt-f2 is your friend when X is screwed up, you will be at a non-X terminal (tty) |
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| 20:13.01 | wjl | debian_n00b: from ssh you should be able to restart the dm; /etc/init.d/gdm restart (substitude xdm or kdm if that's what you use) |
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| 20:13.19 | debian_n00b | lakcaj: I tried that, and ctrl-alt-del but it doesn't work. I have to ssh to type commands |
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| 20:13.48 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, ctrl-alt-f2 to get to a terminal |
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| 20:14.31 | manbox | how do i set up gdesklets to start at bootup? |
| 20:15.10 | debian_n00b | ah |
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| 20:15.57 | ke6isf | manbox: You don't. You set up the applets in gnome by right clicking on a panel and adding them to the panel. |
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| 20:16.25 | debian_n00b | wjl: lakcaj dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help much. what else can I do? |
| 20:16.30 | ke6isf | cookiemonster: What kind of encoding do you want to change to? |
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| 20:16.53 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, less /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 20:17.04 | manbox | ke6isf, it doest last untill reboot |
| 20:17.09 | debian_n00b | lakcaj: ok |
| 20:17.17 | garyc | anybody: know how to add a repository that has gnomebaker and all dependencies (synaptic manager) |
| 20:17.21 | deitarion | How would I extract (not install) a debian package on a non-debian system. Preferrably without installing the whole debian package manager but I can if it's needed. |
| 20:17.27 | lakcaj | garyc, try apt-get.org |
| 20:17.29 | ke6isf | manbox: Can you explain a little further as to what you're doing? |
| 20:17.38 | lakcaj | deitarion, man dpkg |
| 20:17.42 | cookiemonster | ke6isf: utf-8 -> iso.de |
| 20:17.43 | cadu | deitarion: ar cx |
| 20:17.56 | cadu | deitarion: i think ar x <debianpackage> will do |
| 20:17.59 | garyc | ladcaj: how do I do that? |
| 20:18.04 | piaf | deitarion: look for a tool named alien |
| 20:18.08 | wjl | debian_n00b: if it is a resolution issue, you could also try CTRL-ALT-NUMPAD+ to change it (when in X); it could be a different problem, but that's the most common thing I've seen |
| 20:18.24 | garyc | lakcaj how do I do that? |
| 20:18.26 | deitarion | cadu: Thanks. I'm currently on a Gentoo box and I don't want to have to install dpkg if I don't have to. |
| 20:18.40 | lakcaj | garyc, open mozilla-firefox, go to the url area, and enter apt-get.org, then search for gnomebaker and see if anything comes up |
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| 20:18.43 | ke6isf | !gentoosmite deitarion |
| 20:18.45 | deitarion | piaf: It's for a script that will be redistributed. I have to use the lease esoteric tools possible. |
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| 20:18.56 | deitarion | dpkg: It's not the speed, it's the deps. |
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| 20:19.03 | debian_n00b | holy shit how can people be so aggressive to others |
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| 20:19.11 | lakcaj | garyc, gnomebaker is in sarge already! |
| 20:19.29 | debian_n00b | lakcaj: there seem to be a problem with my card in the logs |
| 20:19.30 | wjl | debian_n00b: it's an ongoing problem |
| 20:19.31 | cadu | deitarion: are you on drugs? |
| 20:19.39 | cadu | deitarion: sorry, wrong <tab>completion |
| 20:19.46 | chealer | garyc, which release? |
| 20:19.47 | cadu | debian_n00b: are you on drugs? |
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| 20:19.57 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, are you sure you are selecting the right driver? What kind of card are you using? |
| 20:19.58 | cadu | debian_n00b: you're the one being aggressive :) |
| 20:20.07 | ke6isf | cadu: Dude, just /ignore. |
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| 20:20.09 | vladster | You can't format a mounted filesystem can you? |
| 20:20.18 | garyc | lakcaj will do although I have downloaded gnomebaker and it complains of needing dependent packages |
| 20:20.23 | cadu | ke6isf: ah thanks ! MUCH better |
| 20:20.24 | m2 | vladster: nope |
| 20:20.27 | debian_n00b | cadu: no I'm not. I'm amazed at the various reactions I've seen so far. I was called a troll, a mother fucker, and now this gentoo guy gets this !gentoosmite.. how is that helping anything? |
| 20:20.32 | lakcaj | garyc, do you know how to use apt-get? |
| 20:20.35 | vladster | I thought so |
| 20:20.39 | ke6isf | cadu: Glad to be of service. =^_^= |
| 20:20.53 | debian_n00b | lakcaj: it's an nvidia, I use nv |
| 20:20.54 | piaf | one point to debian_n00b |
| 20:20.58 | garyc | no I don't |
| 20:20.59 | piaf | he is right |
| 20:21.15 | ke6isf | garyc: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:21.19 | maja | any one know how to fix mozilla if it just says "Segmentation fault" ? |
| 20:21.25 | lakcaj | debian_n00b, ok, well that is correct. Can you post a small part of the error message? The part that looks important? |
| 20:21.26 | wjl | debian_n00b: ah.. if you have too new of an nvidia card, the nv driver might not work right |
| 20:21.27 | debian_n00b | piaf: I believe some people need to get a life.. |
| 20:21.36 | piaf | why are people so agressive between different distros of a same kernel ??? |
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| 20:21.41 | manbox | ke6isf, yes i have gdesklets on a deb 3.1 but the i have to type "gdesklets shell" to get options gdesklets doesnt show options as usuall, and my themes won't load on bootup, only when typing gdesklets in console or so... |
| 20:21.45 | chealer | maja, which release? |
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| 20:21.56 | ShortWave | piaf: Who knows.. Most of the time it's really a "I know better than you" thing |
| 20:21.57 | piaf | it is just a point of view |
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| 20:22.01 | maja | chealer: 1.7.8 |
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| 20:22.05 | debian_n00b | lakcaj: how can I post it? on some website? |
| 20:22.06 | lakcaj | garyc, before you go any farther, understand that you DO NOT download and then install software yourself in debian (usually). |
| 20:22.07 | ShortWave | piaf: Yeah really |
| 20:22.09 | m2 | maja: try mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.old |
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| 20:22.13 | wjl | debian_n00b: I have one system when my nvidia card only works with the nvidia (closed course) driver, not the nv (open source) one, you may want to try changing drivers if nothing else works |
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| 20:22.19 | ke6isf | piaf: The kernel is the kernel. The distro is the distro. Just because Debian and Mandrake use the same kernel doesn't mean they're the same distribution of Linux. |
| 20:22.19 | piaf | ShortWave: probably right :) |
| 20:22.29 | debian_n00b | wjl: how do I get the closed source driver? |
| 20:22.38 | lakcaj | !faq |
| 20:22.38 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:22.39 | maja | m2: same error |
| 20:22.51 | manbox | ke6isf, the problem is gdesklets doesnt load normally in my system, why i dont know.. but it have to type gdesklets for it to load themes, i want it to load at bootup as default.. |
| 20:22.52 | garyc | ke6isf ubuntu 5.0.4 (horey) |
| 20:22.53 | piaf | ke6isf: if there is diversity it is just for people to find what they want |
| 20:22.56 | wjl | debian_n00b: you can download it from the nvidia website, but that's not the best way to do it |
| 20:23.00 | chealer | maja, using some plugins? |
| 20:23.04 | antgel_ | i'm compiling a kernel from vanilla sources for first time in years. i've taken a debian .config and made only minor changes. do i have to pass --initrd to make-kpkg? even though i _shouldn't_ need, it, i str that a lot of things are modularised... |
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| 20:23.08 | debian_n00b | wjl: what would be the best way ? |
| 20:23.12 | maja | chealer: none that i know of |
| 20:23.16 | lakcaj | garyc, #ubuntu |
| 20:23.18 | wjl | debian_n00b: there are debian packages, but you have to compile some stuff; it's not very hard, let me try to find a link to a FAQ |
| 20:23.23 | ke6isf | piaf: Yes, but we only support Debian Linux here. |
| 20:23.25 | lakcaj | garyc, that is the channel for ubuntu |
| 20:23.29 | ShortWave | I tend to hack and slash my distros into an unrecognizable state anyway |
| 20:23.29 | chealer | maja, extensions then? |
| 20:23.32 | maja | chealer: infact i think it is quite with out plugins |
| 20:23.42 | maja | how do i check extensions ? |
| 20:23.42 | debian_n00b | wjl: I'm googling, and it says something about module-assistant |
| 20:23.43 | piaf | ke6isf: and debian packages are not part of debian ? |
| 20:23.45 | ke6isf | piaf: To do anything else is analogous to having Jews teach Christianity. Doesn't really work. |
| 20:24.03 | m2 | maja: tren try ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.8/mozilla-bin |
| 20:24.04 | garyc | lakcaj thanks I was led into that by a linux kid that does things his way - please tell me the real way |
| 20:24.13 | wjl | debian_n00b: yes, basically you install nvidia-kernel-common, use module-assistant to make you a nvidia-kernel package for your kernel, then install nvidia-glx from non-free |
| 20:24.21 | m4csim | piaf: a distro based in debian doesn't mean it's a debian, here is debian only |
| 20:24.22 | chealer | maja, in the extensions directory of your mozilla profile |
| 20:24.22 | m2 | maja: see if there some /usr/local/lib stuff in there perhaps? |
| 20:24.28 | wjl | debian_n00b: there are good FAQs on the web, or maybe someone nice here will post a link if I don't find one first =) |
| 20:24.28 | ke6isf | !tell piaf -about debian based |
| 20:24.30 | piaf | ke6isf: so interoperability is of no concern for debian people ... |
| 20:24.31 | debian_n00b | wjl: I'm installing module-assistant and reading the man page |
| 20:24.37 | lakcaj | garyc, I think ubuntu really likes you to use the synaptic package manager. I'll get you a link to some info. |
| 20:24.40 | ke6isf | piaf: Read what dpkg told you. |
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| 20:24.49 | ke6isf | piaf: There's no sense in arguing. |
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| 20:24.55 | antgel_ | piaf: what is your point apart from ambiguous fluff? |
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| 20:24.59 | antgel_ | !sunday |
| 20:24.59 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 20:25.11 | wjl | debian_n00b: here is a link http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/debian.html |
| 20:25.18 | debian_n00b | piaf: I don't think they are concerned by people in the need for help. they seem to only hang in here to insult people and feel superior |
| 20:25.26 | ke6isf | manbox: Minor bit of pedantry, it's not starting up at boot, it's starting up in X. Boot is when your services come to life - and anything within X isn't really a service, see. |
| 20:25.29 | piaf | ke6isf: how i didnt know !!! thank you for your teaching ... |
| 20:25.31 | wjl | debian_n00b: (it looks accurate, at first glance ;) |
| 20:25.32 | m4csim | piaf: it's not our stuff, michelin doesn't repere all cars how use it |
| 20:25.44 | debian_n00b | wjl: thanks for the pointer. i'm reading now |
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| 20:25.53 | garyc | lakcaj i was on ubuntu chat and the was no traffic |
| 20:25.53 | lakcaj | garyc, well, just start off with apt-get. See here for examples, but essentially you just "sudo apt-get install gnomebaker" as an example. |
| 20:25.54 | piaf | bye bye poor guy |
| 20:25.57 | debian_master | debian_n00b: but i am superior! |
| 20:26.05 | piaf | i have much important things to do |
| 20:26.05 | lakcaj | garyc, join #ubuntu |
| 20:26.07 | ke6isf | piaf: Gld to help. =^_^= |
| 20:26.23 | debian_n00b | piaf: I'll report this to the debian project. I can't believe they agree with such a behavior. |
| 20:26.28 | debian_n00b | ah too late |
| 20:26.34 | maja | m2: lots of entrys |
| 20:26.35 | abrotman | what behavoir? |
| 20:26.37 | wjl | debian_n00b: to be fair, you CAN use the installer from nvidia's website, and it's faster/easier, but it's not clean and does have some issues (like it will get nuked if you install a conflicting package, like Mesa) |
| 20:26.46 | debian_master | debian_n00b: i am the debian project! |
| 20:26.47 | m2 | debian_n00b: /join #debian-talk -- less crowded, and you can have meta discussions about the channel being unhelpful and aggressive there. |
| 20:26.54 | debian_n00b | abrotman: didn't you see antgel, ke6isf and others being insutling? |
| 20:26.58 | garyc | is that different than the ubuntu server that is listed |
| 20:27.07 | debian_n00b | m2: I will, thank you |
| 20:27.09 | maja | chealer: sorry to say but not folowing closely |
| 20:27.09 | wjl | debian_n00b: I'm a DD; most of us totally are against bad behavior here, but it's hard to make it change |
| 20:27.10 | lw | where do i configure my network devices? is there a config file somewhere? |
| 20:27.19 | ke6isf | !ubuntusmite garyc |
| 20:27.20 | debian_master | debian_n00b: go use gentoo |
| 20:27.22 | debian_n00b | wjl: just ban the wankers |
| 20:27.23 | lakcaj | garyc, I don't know. If you are on freenode right now, just type /join #ubuntu |
| 20:27.27 | debian_n00b | debian_master: sht up will you? |
| 20:27.27 | abrotman | debian_n00b: to who? |
| 20:27.31 | debian_n00b | abrotman: to me!!!! |
| 20:27.43 | m2 | maja: ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.8/mozilla-bin | grep /usr/local/lib |
| 20:27.46 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: killem all! |
| 20:27.50 | m2 | maja: perhaps that's easier to read |
| 20:27.54 | antgel_ | abrotman: have you seen this guy? best troll since LENIN_BOLSHEVIK |
| 20:28.02 | debian_n00b | m2 debian-talkl is empty |
| 20:28.14 | m2 | debian_n00b: then less fill it :-) |
| 20:28.16 | debian_master | debian_n00b: i think gentoo would be a good distro for you, maybe think about mandrake/madriva |
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| 20:28.20 | cadu | !gentoosmite debian_n00b |
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| 20:28.26 | debian_n00b | debian_master: just shut up already |
| 20:28.30 | abrotman | debian_n00b: uhm .. i don't see anything ... |
| 20:28.35 | lakcaj | garyc, I don't see you in #ubuntu. Are you joining? |
| 20:28.38 | antgel_ | abrotman: i can't even bring myself to ignore him, so i suppose he wins |
| 20:28.40 | abrotman | maybe it wasn't directed at you so lastlog won't catch it |
| 20:28.41 | maja | m2: no entrys with that search string |
| 20:28.47 | cadu | !gentoosmite debian_n00b |
| 20:28.49 | manbox | ke6isf, how do i let it load in X as default.. is that managed in XF86 config file? |
| 20:28.53 | maja | /usr/local/lib* would though |
| 20:28.56 | wjl | debian_n00b: unfortunately, I'm not an op; well, all I can say for now is just ignore the rude people, don't hold it against the project! =) |
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| 20:29.06 | ke6isf | manbox: Before I continue, you're running Sarge? |
| 20:29.06 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you havent gotten banned yeT? |
| 20:29.07 | manbox | ke6isf, or some strange gnome file? |
| 20:29.11 | De_Mon | it went from wtf to wtfmf. You're hostility is what provked everyone else (they found an easy target) and you continue to talk to them, so quit feeding the fires. |
| 20:29.11 | debian_n00b | wjl: I'm sure these guys have nothing to do with debian |
| 20:29.15 | maja | m2: no what am i saying noting there |
| 20:29.16 | manbox | ke6isf, yeah i am.. sarge 3.1 |
| 20:29.20 | debian_master | debian_n00b: what distro did you use before debian? |
| 20:29.26 | antgel_ | wjl: i told him to ignore me. he doesn't want to. can you not smell what is going on? |
| 20:29.32 | vladster | Is a troll one of those mythical beings that turns children into wood? |
| 20:29.39 | garyc | ladcaj still no traffic over there |
| 20:29.45 | debian_n00b | antgel_: you started it. pissing me off, to have me ignoore you isn't the way.. |
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| 20:29.49 | TwistedEmotions | !troll |
| 20:29.49 | dpkg | i guess troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html |
| 20:29.55 | antgel_ | wjl: i rest my case ^^^ |
| 20:29.55 | m2 | maja: are you using sarge? |
| 20:29.59 | ke6isf | manbox: OK, unless you have something weird, if you right-click on a panel, select "Add To Panel...", and select the applet you want to run on the panel,it should remain there even if you log out. |
| 20:30.00 | paulswm | wjl: This channel is owned by the project? |
| 20:30.00 | De_Mon | antgel_ so.. what does that make you? |
| 20:30.01 | lakcaj | garyc, you're joining the wrong channel. |
| 20:30.10 | ke6isf | manbox: This would be the default behavior, last I checked. |
| 20:30.48 | maja | m2: yes, is all uptodate too |
| 20:30.48 | debian_n00b | debian_master: I use freebsd and thought I'd try debian |
| 20:30.48 | lakcaj | garyc, right now, on a single line, type /join #ubuntu |
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| 20:30.48 | wjl | antgel_: he doesn't seem like a troll, but maybe I'm wrong |
| 20:30.48 | antgel_ | hehe |
| 20:30.48 | TwistedEmotions | paulswm: It is owned the THE PROJECT... Duck.. a driveby! |
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| 20:30.49 | TwistedEmotions | by/S |
| 20:30.53 | wjl | antgel_: I'm just trying to help people |
| 20:30.59 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... would have been funny if I could spell. |
| 20:31.02 | paulswm | I thought that it was an independent channel |
| 20:31.05 | m2 | maja: try reinstalling mozilla? apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-browser or something like that |
| 20:31.11 | debian_n00b | wjl: trying the closed source driver helped me. I now have gdm loading just fine. thanks a ton |
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| 20:31.23 | garyc | lakcaj i did /join #ununtu |
| 20:31.31 | paulswm | I guess I'm not going to get my one question answered, though. |
| 20:31.36 | ke6isf | garyc: Um, try #ubuntu - with a b. |
| 20:31.40 | wjl | debian_n00b: glad it worked. I'm off for now. =) |
| 20:31.44 | maja | m2: tried removeing and reinstalling with no luck |
| 20:31.45 | antgel_ | wjl: i know you're a DD, and respect to you therefore, but clearly no troll _seems_ like a troll. that's the point. he's been taking your advice _very_ quickly. i don't think he could _really_ have done it and got a working system so quick |
| 20:31.49 | lakcaj | garyc, /join #ubuntu .... not #ununtu |
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| 20:31.53 | abrotman | paulswm: it is .. it's the de facto channel .. but afaik .. not the 'official' channel |
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| 20:32.07 | paulswm | Then it's not the project's business what happens here |
| 20:32.16 | wjl | antgel_: maybe so, guess IHBT IHL, but it was fun anyway =) |
| 20:32.20 | cadu | #debian isn't official? |
| 20:32.25 | abrotman | it's percieved as the official though |
| 20:32.25 | antgel_ | wjl: also, he jumped on the |
| 20:32.29 | maja | m2: still same error :( |
| 20:32.29 | antgel_ | oops |
| 20:32.31 | abrotman | cadu: there isn't one afaik |
| 20:32.33 | vladster | I guess it is not the same |
| 20:32.35 | m2 | cadu: not officially, no :-) |
| 20:32.43 | TwistedEmotions | !afaik |
| 20:32.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
| 20:32.44 | maja | nice glasses |
| 20:32.44 | ke6isf | cadu: We're about as official as it's gonna get, I guess. |
| 20:32.45 | amphi | paulswm: what was yr question? |
| 20:32.48 | maja | blond is the new one hun ? |
| 20:32.54 | debian_n00b | antgel_: he told me to read some docs, which I read, and it helped me. what's wrong with this? |
| 20:32.54 | antgel_ | wjl: "we are unfriendly" bandwagon _very_ quickly. he heard what is going on, i guess. |
| 20:32.58 | berto_ | hello, are the linux-image-xxx-smp packages for PIV with hyper threading ? |
| 20:33.10 | debian_n00b | antgel_: you think only you can provide useful answers or read? moron .. |
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| 20:33.32 | garyc | lakcaj that was what I typed when i joined |
| 20:33.45 | cadu | i really thought #debian were really official :) |
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| 20:33.49 | cadu | it seems soo imho |
| 20:33.50 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: I thought you were the only one in here who spoke *proper* English.. what the hell is "afaik"? You're fired :P! |
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| 20:33.58 | wjl | antgel_: well, regardless, people WERE unfriendly to him almost immediately. Anyway, it's still true what I said: if people are rude to you, it's best to ignore them. |
| 20:34.06 | antgel_ | debian_n00b: unfortunately, your 1337 nick and use of acronyms like wtf blows your n00b cover entirely, and you obviously know exactly what you were doing |
| 20:34.06 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: i will use common acronyms like afaik or afaict |
| 20:34.08 | antgel_ | shit |
| 20:34.16 | lakcaj | garyc, I don't know what you're doing, but I'm in the ubuntu channel right now, and there is pleanty of traffic. Are you on the freenode server? /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu |
| 20:34.17 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: your still fired. |
| 20:34.21 | garyc | lakcaj I am on #ubuntu-unregged on the other tab |
| 20:34.21 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: you're |
| 20:34.31 | antgel_ | wjl: i don't know how much you're here, but perhaps one develops a sense for trolling? |
| 20:34.33 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: no YOU ARE! hahaha ! I win. |
| 20:34.34 | jethro | antgel_: he said wtf once, because he was confused by deadcat as per my understanding. and got called a mofo |
| 20:34.37 | ke6isf | wjl: He started as hostile. I don't deal with that very well, myself. |
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| 20:34.51 | berto_ | nobody knows ? :( |
| 20:35.06 | abrotman | !ht |
| 20:35.06 | dpkg | hmm... ht is Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
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| 20:35.14 | abrotman | berto_: i think yes .. you need the -smp |
| 20:35.17 | antgel_ | he was _fucking_ hostile from the off. however we've all said our piece. the fact that we're discussing it means he won |
| 20:35.23 | lakcaj | garyc, are you using xchat? |
| 20:35.26 | paulswm | amphi: my question was: wjl: This channel is owned by the project? |
| 20:35.26 | wjl | antgel_: maybe you're right, oh well |
| 20:35.32 | cadu | emulates? |
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| 20:35.37 | cadu | so hyperthreading sucks :) |
| 20:35.38 | jethro | antgel_: the fact that YOU'RE insisting proves the point pretty well :) |
| 20:35.48 | maja | arrg any one recomend a diffrent web browser ? |
| 20:35.50 | wjl | paulswm: I believe it's at least somewhat official, since it's refered to in the Developer's Reference |
| 20:35.55 | ke6isf | maja: Than...? |
| 20:35.58 | amphi | paulswm: oh - dunno; some dds come in here |
| 20:36.00 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: haha. i was asked to keep it down or they will -E on me (= |
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| 20:36.04 | maja | mozilla |
| 20:36.06 | TwistedEmotions | berto_: I use a HT'ing processor... use the -smp kernel... ;) |
| 20:36.06 | paulswm | wjl: OK, thanks, sorry to ping you twice |
| 20:36.08 | ke6isf | maja: Yeah, firefox. |
| 20:36.09 | debian_master | i suggest banning him by ip |
| 20:36.11 | wjl | paulswm: np |
| 20:36.19 | vladster | ok here is the test, seeint if it reboots to that partition |
| 20:36.21 | maja | ke6isf: they are diffrent ? |
| 20:36.32 | maja | love mozilla but is crashing on me |
| 20:36.39 | ke6isf | maja: Yeah, but also ask dpkg about 'sarge firefox'. |
| 20:36.41 | wjl | I'm out for now guys, please be nice to each other =) |
| 20:36.44 | De_Mon | I duno what deadcat was thinking on the wtfmf line but I thought it was funny till the n00b got defensive |
| 20:36.47 | berto_ | abrotman and TwistedEmotions thanks a lot :) |
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| 20:36.52 | berto_ | bye |
| 20:36.52 | lakcaj | ke6isf, that has been resolved |
| 20:36.52 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
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| 20:36.55 | maja | ke6isf: thanks |
| 20:37.03 | ke6isf | lakcaj: Oh, good, I can remove the hold. =^_^= |
| 20:37.04 | antgel_ | we |
| 20:37.09 | lakcaj | ke6isf, yep |
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| 20:37.23 | gnufan | Oh - before I remove the "-s" from the apt-get - what state is "sid" in today - I use GNOME, and want Mozilla apps to work, and gcjwebplugin.... or should I just stay in Stable for a bit longer ;) |
| 20:37.23 | cadu | TwistedEmotions: it appears as 2 cpus ? |
| 20:37.31 | antgel_ | we'll have to have a webpoll at this rate for satisfied customers to click on, as prove that we're not a bunch of total cunts |
| 20:37.33 | cadu | TwistedEmotions: can you paste me your cpuinfo? o_O |
| 20:37.37 | TwistedEmotions | cadu: Huh? |
| 20:37.41 | maja | ke6isf: have updated and upgraded |
| 20:37.42 | TwistedEmotions | cadu: Ohhh that.. yeah |
| 20:37.43 | cadu | TwistedEmotions: hyperthreading |
| 20:37.51 | TwistedEmotions | cadu: what's the command for cpu info? |
| 20:37.58 | cadu | TwistedEmotions: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:37.59 | antgel_ | maja: you sure there's no mozilla processes running? |
| 20:38.00 | cadu | :) |
| 20:38.05 | De_Mon | antgel_ that'd be funny |
| 20:38.10 | cadu | TwistedEmotions: don't pretend you're a lammer. |
| 20:38.13 | paulswm | I was just concerned about rumors that it was going to be taken over, we already alternate between no ops action and arbitrary and unfair actions, with some good decisions in between |
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| 20:38.31 | maja | antgel_: yup just rebooted |
| 20:38.35 | garyc | lackja are you there |
| 20:38.39 | antgel_ | paulswn: i didn't know about that, can you tell more? |
| 20:38.40 | TwistedEmotions | cadu: Pretend? Barrrrrghhh? Haha... Errr... /msg? |
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| 20:39.03 | antgel_ | maja: sarge? have you tried (as an experiment) renaming .mozilla to .mozilla.bak? |
| 20:39.08 | ke6isf | OK, if I do ^foo^bar, I replace the first occurance of 'foo' with 'bar' in the last line typed, and if I do (say) !474, I just rehash line 474 in my history. So how would I do ^foo^bar to that line? |
| 20:39.09 | jethro | paulswm: it'd be better if some wankers in here knew how to use /ignore or shut up. we wouldn't even need ops, but for special cases |
| 20:39.14 | maja | antgel_: yup |
| 20:39.22 | ke6isf | Noting that I'm running bash3 as my shell of choice. |
| 20:39.24 | antgel_ | maja: sarge? |
| 20:39.29 | n7qnc | does this work |
| 20:39.33 | maja | antgel_: yup |
| 20:39.33 | paulswm | antgel_: I have learned to keep my mouth shut so I won't say more, and I don't want to go searching through logs right now |
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| 20:39.44 | maja | antgel_: talked to dpkg on it as well |
| 20:39.49 | pngwn | !paulswm++ |
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| 20:40.00 | paulswm | pngwn: :) |
| 20:40.04 | lakcaj | garyc, yes I'm here, but you still aren't in #ubuntu ;) |
| 20:40.06 | debian_master | hey- you know fetchmail- how do i make the daemon start when i boot up my box? |
| 20:40.15 | n7qnc | has anyone done wireless on a laptop? |
| 20:40.16 | newbie_ | forgive me for being an idiot about matters like this, but my debian server has a tape drive and I haven't a clue where to begin about setting up weekly backups. |
| 20:40.27 | abrotman | n7qnc: many people .. just ask |
| 20:40.43 | antgel_ | newbie: good package to try is tob. |
| 20:40.48 | abrotman | newbie_: cron.weekly ... and pick your tool .. standardish ones are tar,cpio,dump/restore |
| 20:41.12 | garyc | lakcaj I tried and got so lost I quit xchat and re-ran it to get back here |
| 20:41.28 | lakcaj | garyc, ok, first, what irc server are you on? |
| 20:41.29 | TwistedEmotions | cadu: Here's the CPU paste info... www.ovaici.homelinux.com/cpuinfo.txt msg takes too long :P |
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| 20:41.38 | hcy | how do i install a java compiler in debian? |
| 20:41.51 | newbie_ | abrotmain: by tool, you mean application? how do I find out what kind of tape drive is inthere, and what kinda tapes to buy? |
| 20:41.51 | lakcaj | !tell hcy about java-package |
| 20:41.51 | antgel_ | hcy: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 20:41.51 | abrotman | !tell hcy about install java |
| 20:41.51 | fando | when the kernel panics and I reboot in a safter kernel, where is the panic log saved? |
| 20:41.53 | paulswm | newbie_: I think there's a howto, there's probably something in the debian reference, and googling will also get you a lot of info. Thre are a lot of ways to skin that cat, I personally like dump for tape backups |
| 20:41.56 | hcy | there doesn't seem to be javac in apt-cache search |
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| 20:42.11 | antgel_ | hcy: it's not in debian |
| 20:42.14 | garyc | lakcaj it says kornbluth.freenode.net in the title bar |
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| 20:42.18 | abrotman | gcj |
| 20:42.19 | n7qnc | abrotman: i can see that my atheros is seen on bootup. i also have my /etc/networks/interfaces are right. and i have installed wireless-tools. |
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| 20:42.26 | n7qnc | what am i missing? |
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| 20:42.39 | abrotman | n7qnc: ifconfig -a .. do you see it ? |
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| 20:42.46 | Gathond | hcy: java (the sun one is not really that free) you could use java-package to convert the sun.bin to a .deb |
| 20:42.47 | lakcaj | garyc, do this: At the top of your xchat window, go to X-Chat -> New -> Server Tab. Let me know when you've done this. |
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| 20:42.55 | n7qnc | let me see |
| 20:42.59 | hcy | i see that. hmmm complicated |
| 20:43.15 | garyc | ok |
| 20:43.28 | gnufan | hcy, what do you want to compile? |
| 20:43.29 | lakcaj | garyc, ok, in that new server tab, type /server irc.freenode.net |
| 20:43.37 | Gathond | hcy: although personally I failed to make it do java5 SDK some months back, but that has probably changed |
| 20:43.47 | n7qnc | yes. i see ath0 ans eth0 |
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| 20:43.49 | garyc | lakcaj ok |
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| 20:43.59 | newbie_ | thanks paulswm. |
| 20:44.04 | lakcaj | garyc, now, in that same tab, type /join #ubuntu |
| 20:44.11 | jenner | hcy: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian |
| 20:44.11 | newbie_ | how do I find out what kind of tape drive is inthere, and what kinda tapes to buy? |
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| 20:44.22 | hcy | gnufan: i want to learn to program in a cross-platform linux-friendly language. java was recommended. |
| 20:44.38 | paulswm | newbie_: You're welcome, and I'm delighted to note that even as a newcomer you are researching backups, it isn't that common, unfortunately. :) |
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| 20:44.59 | antgel_ | hcy: what sort of programs do you want to write? |
| 20:45.09 | hcy | gnufan: if you know of something easier, please let me know (i have experience with visual basic) |
| 20:45.18 | paulswm | newbie_: lspci should tell you what tape drive you have |
| 20:45.20 | newbie_ | paulswm: lol... |
| 20:45.23 | n7qnc | abtotman:i do see my eth0 |
| 20:45.24 | lakcaj | hcy, I would use python |
| 20:45.31 | abrotman | n7qnc: and it's set for dhcp in your interfaces ? |
| 20:45.32 | antgel_ | newbie: if you dmesg | pager, you should be able to see what tape drive you have |
| 20:45.38 | antgel_ | paulswm: eh? |
| 20:45.40 | n7qnc | YES IT IS |
| 20:45.46 | gnufan | hcy, if you want to be Debian friendly the gcj tools are sufficient, and you'll find plenty with a quick google on coding "free software" java with Eclipse. Not that I do Java these days. |
| 20:45.51 | abrotman | n7qnc: easy on the caps |
| 20:45.57 | n7qnc | ya |
| 20:45.58 | newbie_ | antgel: how's that? |
| 20:46.10 | hcy | antgel_: right now, simple logical one-command-after-another stuff, with simple gui interfaces |
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| 20:46.11 | abrotman | n7qnc: /etc/init.d/networking restart (you will lose connectivity on all interfaces) |
| 20:46.13 | lakcaj | garyc, what's going on? I don't know why you're having so much trouble joining #ubuntu. I'm not saying it's your fault, but it really shouldn't be this hard. |
| 20:46.16 | n7qnc | mised placed finger |
| 20:46.34 | garyc | lakcaj was none - now it says brown.freenode.net - after typing /server irc.freenode.net |
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| 20:46.44 | hcy | lakcaj: python would be easier for me to learn? |
| 20:47.02 | jenner | hcy: python is ways easier to learn then java |
| 20:47.05 | mage | python > * |
| 20:47.05 | antgel_ | hcy: are you _sure_ you care about the gui? i suppose java is good to learn in some ways, but perl is very quick and malleable |
| 20:47.12 | lakcaj | hcy, python is very powerful and easy to learn... it is a great language |
| 20:47.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: want to help me with the networking thing? |
| 20:47.34 | hcy | perl or python? |
| 20:47.51 | gnufan | hcy, no one has recommended Ruby yet, this is a quiet day.... Programming languages are a religious thing. |
| 20:47.57 | garyc | lakcaj also said "no channel joined" the ti put me into the brown.freenode.net |
| 20:47.58 | n7qnc | abrotman: i did that. what am i looking for? |
| 20:48.02 | lakcaj | garyc, shit, I see what the problem is. #ubuntu requires you to have a registered nick. |
| 20:48.10 | antgel_ | hcy: it's a religious thing. i have no python experience. |
| 20:48.23 | garyc | lakcaj whats that |
| 20:48.27 | hcy | :) gnufan tell me about ruby |
| 20:48.34 | paulswm | hcy: Pick a tool for the job. I'm a perl guy from way back, but am learning python with the intention of switching. |
| 20:48.42 | gnufan | hcy, hey I don't know Ruby, just heard she is a nice gal ;) |
| 20:48.53 | mage | ruby is great |
| 20:48.55 | mage | but slow :s |
| 20:49.09 | antgel_ | java is great _for learning OO_, but is slower |
| 20:49.11 | dvs | gnufan: Not on Corner Gas |
| 20:49.15 | garyc | lakcaj Hey give me that apt command again so I can write it down. |
| 20:49.20 | gnufan | mage, if I want great but slow I'd carry on learning Haskell ;) |
| 20:49.24 | hcy | someone tell me the difference between perl, python and ruby |
| 20:49.27 | abrotman | n7qnc: it still didn't get an IP in ifconfig -a ? |
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| 20:49.59 | TwistedEmotions | hcy: they're different programming languages.. |
| 20:50.01 | n7qnc | yes it sees auth0 |
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| 20:50.09 | lakcaj | garyc, go to the FreeNode tab in xchat at the bottom. Type /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> where <password> is a password you want to use. |
| 20:50.18 | newbie_ | I have a Seagate STT200000A, ATAPI TAPE drive -- what type of media should I buy? |
| 20:50.21 | hcy | TwistedEmotions: yes i gathered that |
| 20:50.37 | lakcaj | garyc, to install software, type apt-get install gnomebaker |
| 20:50.40 | fando | help, where do I put in kernel options to boot in the make-kpkg system? |
| 20:50.40 | antgel_ | newbie_: google |
| 20:50.40 | gnufan | Hehe you guys never answered my question, so I'm installing sid anyway - don't tell me it is broke now... 651MB - suddenly broadband seems too slow. |
| 20:50.46 | TwistedEmotions | hcy: then we know the same amount on that subject. |
| 20:50.46 | hcy | any of them at all resemble visual basic on the outside? |
| 20:50.52 | paulswm | newbie_: Google |
| 20:50.57 | lakcaj | garyc, to search for software, type apt-cache search <searchstring> |
| 20:51.00 | ke6isf | newbie_: GIYF. |
| 20:51.02 | paulswm | OH, antgel_ already said it |
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| 20:51.11 | beardy | newbie_: google with that name/brand + media |
| 20:51.16 | n7qnc | i get an error message "essid" |
| 20:51.16 | newbie_ | what's GIYF? |
| 20:51.27 | ke6isf | !giyf |
| 20:51.27 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 20:51.32 | abrotman | fando: i htnik at the end of the file .. see if there's a "ADD YOUR STUFF HERE" thing |
| 20:51.37 | dvs | fando: What kind of custom config? |
| 20:51.44 | n7qnc | sorry. "set essid" |
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| 20:51.49 | newbie_ | okay all.. you're right.. I shouldda consulted Google. Sometimes the obvious eludes me: STOEM |
| 20:51.56 | paulswm | Aaargh, dpkg said f..k, ban him |
| 20:51.57 | hcy | can dpkg google? |
| 20:52.05 | fando | i'm trying to get software suspend 2 working, so far it's up to kernel panic on resume :) |
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| 20:52.13 | ke6isf | antgel_: Much less time than a 386, I'm sure. =^^= |
| 20:52.14 | antgel_ | dpkg: can you google |
| 20:52.19 | amphi | antgel_: coupla hours maybe |
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| 20:52.30 | hcy | dpkg: google ruby tutorial |
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| 20:52.32 | fando | ok, there's no ADD STUFF AFTER HERE but I'll put it there anyway |
| 20:52.37 | dpkg | Google says ruby tutorial is at http://www.math.umd.edu/~dcarrera/ruby/0.3/ or http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ruby-doc-bundle/Tutorial/ or http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ or http://www.rubyist.net/~slagell/ or http://www.rubyist.net/~slagell/ruby/ |
| 20:52.37 | Kovecses | how do i save a file in vi ? |
| 20:52.38 | dvs | fando: Kernel options can go on the "# kopt" line |
| 20:52.53 | fando | can it go in /etc/kernel-image.conf? |
| 20:52.56 | antgel_ | hcy: please msg the bot or use google normally |
| 20:53.02 | dvs | fando: No |
| 20:53.08 | antgel_ | Kovecses: :w |
| 20:53.16 | fando | okay, but what about splashimages? |
| 20:53.30 | fando | oh, I should put that after the kernel stuff |
| 20:53.31 | jenner | fando: search for "Start Default Options" in your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:53.41 | hcy | i'm just curious if s/he can do it, i have a bot that can |
| 20:53.41 | amphi | n7qnc: what gives you that error? |
| 20:53.47 | fando | k, thanks, i see it |
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| 20:54.09 | n7qnc | ifconfig -a |
| 20:54.12 | garyc | lakcaj my nickname is registered under hostmask n=garyc@207.193.21.* |
| 20:54.24 | cadu | ok |
| 20:54.38 | cadu | i wanna do a custom kernel but instead of getting the tux 224color logo i wanna get my mom's picture |
| 20:54.41 | garyc | lakcaj is that what my name is now |
| 20:54.41 | cadu | rofl. |
| 20:54.42 | Kovecses | antgel, hit : and then w? |
| 20:54.43 | amphi | n7qnc: can you do iwconfig <iface_name> essid 'foo' ? |
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| 20:54.59 | hcy | maybe i should just stick with good old fashioned c |
| 20:55.07 | n7qnc | let me see. be right back |
| 20:55.07 | antgel_ | Kovecses: yep. should say "written" at the bottom |
| 20:55.11 | matthew_w | Can I ask a strange question - What is the essentiall difference between Debian and it's subsystem distributions (ubuntu, kubuntu, and the like) ? |
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| 20:55.22 | matthew_w | s/essentiall/essential. |
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| 20:55.28 | abrotman | matthew_w: they aren't debian :) |
| 20:55.29 | m2 | !pastebin |
| 20:55.29 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
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| 20:55.34 | antgel_ | hcy: not a great one to learn first imo. it's not 1985 anymore |
| 20:55.41 | matthew_w | Heh |
| 20:55.46 | garyc | lakcaj it's done |
| 20:55.50 | clarissa | hmm /dev/video0 doesnt exist i've searched for and tvtime want to open video0 |
| 20:55.56 | abrotman | matthew_w: with respect to what specifically ?> |
| 20:55.57 | matthew_w | Well I know they're not debian, I'm just wondering what some clear differences are. |
| 20:56.01 | matthew_w | Well |
| 20:56.15 | garyc | lakcaj what is next |
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| 20:56.26 | matthew_w | Package installation; does synaptic or some kind of version thereof exist in all debian distros, or at least in debian itself? |
| 20:56.34 | Kovecses | antgel, then how do i quit? |
| 20:56.38 | antgel_ | matthew_w: there are lots of live cd comparison websites. synaptic is in debian |
| 20:56.40 | chealer | Matthew_, ask them, ask wikipedia |
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| 20:56.54 | antgel_ | Kovecses :q. can combine as :wq or ZZ |
| 20:56.57 | n7qnc | amphi: error: unrecognized wireless request "foo" |
| 20:57.09 | chealer | I meant Matthew_w |
| 20:57.15 | matthew_w | Heh |
| 20:57.16 | amphi | n7qnc: what is the name of the wireless interface? |
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| 20:57.17 | abrotman | n7qnc: what is foo? |
| 20:57.21 | Yulia | Hi... |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | matthew_w: yes .. we have syntaptic |
| 20:57.42 | n7qnc | auth0 |
| 20:57.47 | nelf | abrotman "foo" stands for "put anything here" |
| 20:57.54 | fando | i presume putting splashimage=/path/to/image also goes in the Start Default Options grub menu.lst? |
| 20:57.56 | Kovecses | antgel, thanks |
| 20:58.02 | abrotman | nelf: i know what it normally means |
| 20:58.14 | antgel_ | Kovecses: no problem. run vimtutor from the shell |
| 20:58.14 | nelf | abrotman: sorry |
| 20:58.16 | Yulia | i just installed al i should need to have wireless on my debian en when i try to ifup eth1, this is what i am said:ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Operation not supported |
| 20:58.17 | abrotman | nelf: but thanks for thinking i'm a moron :) |
| 20:58.21 | paulswm | matthew_w: software versions in distributions may be different, for instance ubuntu is IIRC a mix of testing and unstable, which probably makes their distributions less well integration-tested and more likely to suffer from dependency breaks. However, debian pays for the better integration by some packages being older, particularly in the stable distribution. |
| 20:58.26 | amphi | n7qnc: and you did iwconfig ath0 essid foo ? |
| 20:58.31 | xachen | Does Debian support Intel Centrino Chipsets? |
| 20:58.37 | cadu | www.kernel.org |
| 20:58.40 | cadu | !kernel |
| 20:58.40 | gnufan | matthew_w, most things calling themselve Debian derivative are just using the Debian packaging tools. Most are offtopic here. |
| 20:58.41 | xachen | so I could use my WLA |
| 20:58.42 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13, snapshot: 2.6.13-git4, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-mm1 |
| 20:58.42 | Yulia | this is how i have it -->http://pastebin.com/354672 |
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| 20:58.46 | antgel_ | Yulia: you should never need to ifup. just /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:58.46 | abrotman | !centrino |
| 20:58.46 | dpkg | from memory, centrino is a laptop brand which specifically stipulates: Intel Banias or Dothan-core Pentium-M or Centrino processor; Intel i855 or i915 motherboard; Intel IPW2100, IPW2200, or IPW2915 wireless card; Intel Extreme 2 or GMA900 graphics; Windows XP or Linux 2.6.9 |
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| 20:59.01 | xachen | thx :) |
| 20:59.03 | amphi | xachen: that's a kernel issue - cpufreq is not supported on dothan cores IIRC |
| 20:59.16 | chealer | xachen, no |
| 20:59.18 | cadu | xachen: it runs , so go for it ! weeeeee ! |
| 20:59.21 | jenner | Yulia: try `ifup wlan0` |
| 20:59.45 | at0m|c | paulswm, and what if one installs from different repositories... hasn't given me problems yet eh |
| 20:59.54 | at0m|c | so when is it still debian, and when is it not |
| 21:00.13 | xachen | but it will still work, correct? |
| 21:00.14 | paulswm | at0m|c: It's debian if you are using an official debian distribution |
| 21:00.19 | n7qnc | it tells me there is no device. i am missing something and am not sure what. |
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| 21:00.32 | ke6isf | at0m|c: What paulswm said, and if it' isn't, it's not. |
| 21:00.44 | Yulia | antgel: same result |
| 21:01.00 | antgel_ | Yulia: you inserted the correct kernel module for your card? |
| 21:01.03 | abrotman | n7qnc: but you see it in ifconfig -a ? |
| 21:01.04 | chealer | xachen, partially, or depending on how much non-debian stuff you use |
| 21:01.06 | amphi | n7qnc: ifconfig shows the interface? |
| 21:01.16 | ke6isf | at0m|c: In short, 'debian based' is not Debian. |
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| 21:01.30 | amphi | n7qnc: you did type 'ath0' not 'auth0' ? |
| 21:01.31 | at0m|c | so i install from official debian distro, update repositories and customise my kernel |
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| 21:01.39 | Yulia | antgel: ipw2200 |
| 21:01.40 | at0m|c | and im out of debian |
| 21:01.43 | xachen | thx |
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| 21:01.51 | amphi | Yulia: I have one o' them here |
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| 21:01.56 | garyc | lakcaj I am still in kornbluth.freenode.net in the other tab I am doing wxactly as you say but it didn't work |
| 21:01.57 | n7qnc | ifconfig -a shows it. ifconfig does not show it |
| 21:02.16 | abrotman | ifconfig won't |
| 21:02.19 | abrotman | ifconfig -a will |
| 21:02.27 | amphi | n7qnc: unless it's up |
| 21:02.34 | paulswm | About the only thing that you should be taking for granted when installing a "debian-based" distribution is that it is called that because they're using apt and dpkg, IMO anyway |
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| 21:03.31 | Yulia | abrotman: you know why i am tell that? |
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| 21:03.57 | dga | /topic/topic |
| 21:04.00 | dga | oops |
| 21:04.11 | abrotman | say what? |
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| 21:04.32 | dga | mistake |
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| 21:04.33 | clarissa | does somebody know how this work with make file ? i have files extracted from a tar.gz archive but i dont know the right commands |
| 21:04.44 | jethro | welcome back streuner |
| 21:04.50 | abrotman | Yulia: i use dhcp .. and no extra wifi crap |
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| 21:05.22 | amphi | clarissa: read the README or INSTALL file |
| 21:05.33 | Yulia | abrotman:ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Operation not supported |
| 21:05.35 | clarissa | okay ^^ |
| 21:05.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: It's a HP Pavilion N5435... |
| 21:06.01 | abrotman | Yulia: really .. no idea .. i don't use anything but regular networking stuff with my wifi .. try taking out your special options |
| 21:06.03 | clarissa | amphi: no readme is there but a makefile and make.config file |
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| 21:06.22 | amphi | clarissa: no docs at all? |
| 21:06.29 | clarissa | docs yes ^^ |
| 21:06.39 | clarissa | what means docs? |
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| 21:06.41 | antgel_ | clarrissa: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 21:06.48 | amphi | clarissa: documentation |
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| 21:06.58 | clarissa | antgel_: bttv-0.9.15 |
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| 21:07.03 | clarissa | thanks amphi ^^ |
| 21:07.03 | Yulia | anybody canm helpme with wirelss please? |
| 21:07.17 | garyc | lakcaj are you there |
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| 21:07.38 | beardy | !tell Yulia about ask |
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| 21:07.53 | garyc | lakcaj are you there |
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| 21:07.59 | jethro | Yulia: I'd suggest you also ask #ipw2100 and #wireless. maybe it's not a debian issue, but a configuration issue with your ipw card |
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| 21:08.21 | streuner | jethro: thanks |
| 21:08.22 | jethro | thingfish: hello :) |
| 21:08.24 | arctic | does somebody know how to solve the problem: keyboardlayout and xorg under sarge? |
| 21:08.27 | garyc | lakcaj I got so messed up that I had to quit chat again |
| 21:08.28 | viper | whats the syntax to mount an smb dir to a local dir ? |
| 21:08.51 | antgel_ | not that i need to but just wondering - if unstable and stable have the same libc6, does that make much difference to the difficulty of the downgrade? |
| 21:09.02 | antgel_ | viper: man mount |
| 21:09.12 | jethro | arctic: what is your current keyboarlayout? |
| 21:09.13 | cristian | aii |
| 21:09.15 | thingfish | hi jethro, how are you? |
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| 21:09.46 | jethro | thingfish: fine thanks, had a lovely day :) |
| 21:09.47 | paulswm | jethro: probably a layout which includes a 'd' :P |
| 21:09.57 | jethro | paulswm: :) |
| 21:10.07 | Yulia | beardy: just try /etc/init.d/network restart a show this: ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Operation not supported |
| 21:10.11 | gnufan | antgel, you aren't allowed to wonder that whilst I'm upgrading from sarge to sid. |
| 21:10.19 | Yulia | i use |
| 21:10.19 | Yulia | Linux portatil 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:10.33 | antgel_ | gnufan: are you? nutter |
| 21:10.51 | paulswm | sarge to sid isn't technically an upgrade, more of a thinning of the ice |
| 21:10.55 | Yulia | beardy: an all i have is so: http://pastebin.com/354672 |
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| 21:10.58 | garyc | root@linux-box:/home/garyc # apt-get install gnomebaker |
| 21:10.58 | garyc | Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:10.58 | garyc | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 21:10.58 | garyc | Package gnomebaker is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:10.58 | garyc | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 21:11.04 | paulswm | *sigh* |
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| 21:11.14 | dm1tri | hi all |
| 21:11.20 | dm1tri | is there a debian current mirror for apt? |
| 21:11.22 | TwistedEmotions | idiots. |
| 21:11.30 | TwistedEmotions | !seen deadcat |
| 21:11.31 | antgel_ | !tell dm1tri about mirrors |
| 21:11.31 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 24928 messages. Is idling for 35m 31s |
| 21:11.37 | TwistedEmotions | basterd. |
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| 21:11.58 | Ronin | dm1tri: current mirror? theyre all current |
| 21:12.03 | Hideki | Hey, I've just installed an Adaptec 1210SA controller and I can't get linux to boot, that's any linux, even CD/Floppy basd ones, there's also still an 80GB disk on the IDE interface too so I have no idea how, LILO gets as far as LIL, any ideas? |
| 21:12.03 | Ronin | mostly :) |
| 21:12.06 | ke6isf | dm1tri: Define current. |
| 21:12.11 | garyc | lakcaj are you there |
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| 21:12.47 | ke6isf | Hideki: What's installed on the drive? |
| 21:13.20 | Hideki | the SATA RAID drives have all my anime, the 80GB one has XP and some apps/games, I'm talking like INSERT, Knoppix, Toms root disk, nothing like that even works |
| 21:13.32 | antgel_ | Hideki: bios boot settings? |
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| 21:13.49 | Hideki | it gets as far as trying to boot (via a version of the ultimate boot CD) |
| 21:13.50 | ke6isf | Hideki: But it's not Debian. |
| 21:14.07 | arctic | jethro: did you get messages? |
| 21:14.07 | Hideki | well no, but I run debian on my dedicated linux machines so I'm asking you, lol |
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| 21:14.24 | ke6isf | Hideki: Well, that's fine, but this machine in question isn't debian. |
| 21:14.27 | jethro | arctic: what message? a private message? |
| 21:14.29 | antgel_ | Hideki: you can't expect us to support other things, lol |
| 21:14.37 | Hideki | it's not getting as far as booting, it makes no difference what distribution it is |
| 21:14.37 | ke6isf | Hideki: In short, #knoppix is thataway ---> |
| 21:14.38 | arctic | jethro, i think so |
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| 21:14.40 | Hideki | debian wouldn't boot either |
| 21:14.54 | antgel_ | Hideki: what errors did you get? |
| 21:14.57 | kadigibox | I have a problem. well more like an annoyance. When I move my mouse I hear sounds from my soundcard. like clicking. the faster the mouse is moved the faster the clicking is |
| 21:14.58 | ke6isf | Hideki: OK, stick in a netinst CD, and what's it do? |
| 21:14.59 | arctic | jethro: i wrote you with /msg |
| 21:15.03 | Hideki | LILO gets as far as LIL |
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| 21:15.09 | Hideki | or it gets to decompreessing kernel and locsk there |
| 21:15.15 | jethro | arctic: you can't technically /msg unless you're registered and identify. and you're not supposed to /msg me without asking me first, which you didn't do |
| 21:15.16 | Hideki | or shows the penguin and a cursor and locks |
| 21:15.23 | jethro | s/tify/tified/ |
| 21:15.24 | clarissa | how to compile for installing something? |
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| 21:15.36 | ke6isf | Hideki: Since it's common amongst any distro you've tried, I'm inclined to think it's a hardware failure. |
| 21:15.36 | jdrake | are the -testing dvds in http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/i386/ or are these 14 isos 14 distinct cd images? |
| 21:15.47 | antgel_ | kadigibox: i've seen this over the years. usually old hardware |
| 21:16.00 | Hideki | it worked until I added another 512MB of RAM and an Adaptec 1210SA yesterday |
| 21:16.07 | ke6isf | clarissa: You don't need to compile to install something. 'apt-get install packagename' works very nicely. |
| 21:16.11 | jethro | arctic: so it means I didn't get your message :) |
| 21:16.14 | kadigibox | antgel, all the hardware is new |
| 21:16.18 | arctic | jethro: is ok,sorry i use first time xchat |
| 21:16.19 | ke6isf | Hideki: OK, remove those and see what it does. |
| 21:16.21 | beardy | clarissa: /msg dpkg compile, /msg dpkg source |
| 21:16.25 | Hideki | alreeady did, it works |
| 21:16.26 | arctic | jethro: np ;) |
| 21:16.29 | jethro | arctic: no problem :) |
| 21:16.30 | antgel_ | kadigibox: ok, badly designed hardware :) |
| 21:16.45 | kadigibox | its been this way on no matter what system I have |
| 21:16.53 | kadigibox | or is it because of the PS2 port |
| 21:16.59 | Hideki | I suspect the RAID controller since memory made no difference |
| 21:16.59 | ke6isf | Hideki: OK, then go to the store and exchange for somethign that works or get a refund. Easy peasy. |
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| 21:17.05 | Hideki | but I ws wondring if it was a known problem |
| 21:17.07 | clarissa | ke6isf: but i have downloaded some i have downloaded a tar.gz archive with files inside that files i must compile there are some files inside and a make.config and a make file i knew this but now i dont know how to run this :| |
| 21:17.13 | antgel_ | does d-i run under framebuffer? |
| 21:17.14 | arctic | jethro: k, i do not have a keyboardlayout, i always get an error message when gnome is starting up containing xkb and periphals/keyboard |
| 21:17.20 | dm1tri | ke6isf: something thats more up2date then the stable directory |
| 21:17.20 | kadigibox | its just that on every creative sound card I get that |
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| 21:17.27 | ke6isf | clarissa: Unpack the .tar.gz, look in the file named INSTALL in the root of the package. |
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| 21:17.34 | ke6isf | !up2date |
| 21:17.34 | dpkg | from memory, up2date is redhats pathetic attempt at creating an apt stepchild update script |
| 21:17.35 | antgel_ | clarissa: what did you download? |
| 21:17.35 | jethro | arctic: can you paste the error on a pastebin? |
| 21:17.44 | beardy | antgel_: If it's told to, and can, yes, it's the default I think. |
| 21:17.50 | clarissa | antgel_: bttv-0.9.15 |
| 21:17.52 | Gathond | clarissa: that is subject to how the folks who made it organised stuff, there are usually some README or INSTALL file with instructions |
| 21:17.58 | arctic | jethro: ähm yep but the problem is, its in german :/ |
| 21:18.03 | Hideki | no apt anymore? |
| 21:18.08 | dm1tri | ke6isf: well ok, something thats more new then firefox 1.0.4 |
| 21:18.09 | gnufan | kadigibox, I've seen that due to interrupt issues, I hacked around it by moving the mouse interrupts or something, but it was a pain in the butt, and I eventually just used the box as fileservers, and CD burner without a GUI. |
| 21:18.17 | jethro | arctic: I can read some german, just shoot it :) |
| 21:18.21 | clarissa | ke6isf: there isnt any instruction how to make this |
| 21:18.22 | dm1tri | even php5 is not in the stable dir. |
| 21:18.32 | arctic | jethro: k then, one mom plz |
| 21:18.41 | kadigibox | would getting a USB mouse help? |
| 21:18.43 | ke6isf | clarissa: Simple instructions would be './configure; make; make install' then. |
| 21:18.49 | clarissa | ke6isf: no file like install or such in doc i cant find install readme too |
| 21:18.52 | antgel_ | clarissa: bttv is in debian. why did you download it? |
| 21:18.53 | BobbyGrace | does anyone know how to force a new page using the linuxdoc latex formatter ?????? |
| 21:18.56 | streuner | kadigibox: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 21:19.11 | beardy | One ? is enough. |
| 21:19.15 | ke6isf | dm1tri: I think firefox is backported, actually. |
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| 21:19.17 | clarissa | ke6isf: thank you that was it where i searched for :D |
| 21:19.19 | clarissa | this commands ^^ |
| 21:19.33 | dm1tri | never mind, going back to slack.. just testing out debian. at least slackware has new packages |
| 21:19.40 | arctic | jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/997 |
| 21:19.41 | ke6isf | Feh. |
| 21:19.42 | Hideki | ick |
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| 21:19.48 | gnufan | kadigibox, probably, can you borrow one from someone - save some pennies |
| 21:19.53 | Gathond | clarissa: it might not be, that is just a guess he made on basis of whats ... well common :) |
| 21:19.55 | antgel_ | wish the DDs were here to see that fucker |
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| 21:20.02 | arctic | jethro: may i ask you where do you come from? |
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| 21:20.29 | Gathond | clarissa: personally I suggest using ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/ (that will keep the source installed stuff seperate from what apt-get installes) |
| 21:20.36 | clarissa | ke6isf: hm it doesnt work no targets input and no make data find |
| 21:20.36 | jenner | antgel_: which one? |
| 21:20.40 | gnufan | dpkgs usbmouse thing needs upgrading ;) |
| 21:20.47 | jethro | arctic: I'm french, but I learnt german at school. |
| 21:20.51 | Hideki | it came with drivers for redhat and suse but nothing for debian |
| 21:20.55 | Hideki | nothing as source eithre |
| 21:20.59 | antgel_ | clarissa: bttv is IN DEBIAN. why do you need to compile it? |
| 21:21.00 | ke6isf | clarissa: Sounds a little like you have no makefile or configure script. |
| 21:21.02 | jethro | arctic: just type "xprop -root | grep XKB" as root and paste the output somewhere |
| 21:21.14 | antgel_ | jenner: which what? |
| 21:21.20 | ke6isf | clarissa: As antgel_ suggests, just apt-get install bttv. |
| 21:21.29 | clarissa | antgel_: because it doesnt work? |
| 21:21.31 | beardy | antgel_: Which fucker, I think he mean. |
| 21:21.32 | jethro | arctic: if it's one line, you can paste it here |
| 21:21.34 | jenner | antgel_: <antgel_> wish the DDs were here to see that fscker |
| 21:21.48 | antgel_ | ke6isf: no, bttv is a kernel module |
| 21:22.03 | arctic | jethro: i need not to paste because he gives no output :/ |
| 21:22.03 | ke6isf | antgel_: ...oh. |
| 21:22.08 | antgel_ | jenner: oh, dm1tri. another time-wasting troll |
| 21:22.09 | clarissa | if i write "apt-get install bttv" he says me paket not found |
| 21:22.13 | gnufan | Hideki, sounds to me like BIOS issues, does it work if you remove the IDE drive? I'm surprised that netinst stops at LIL, since it uses GRUB. |
| 21:22.15 | jethro | arctic: now that's a problem |
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| 21:22.30 | eyegore | what is the fastest mirrot for chicago area |
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| 21:22.33 | badcoder | how i install mysql headers ? |
| 21:22.37 | eyegore | mirror* |
| 21:22.44 | clarissa | paket bttv not found :( |
| 21:22.44 | Hideki | let me try a netinst disk, brb |
| 21:22.45 | streuner | eyegore: use 'apt-spy' |
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| 21:22.48 | badcoder | apt-get mysql-what? |
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| 21:22.56 | beardy | eyegore: Some site in the US probably. |
| 21:22.57 | eyegore | k |
| 21:23.07 | jethro | arctic: do you have a XkbRules XkbLayout and XkbModel defined in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 21:23.07 | streuner | eyegore: or your local mirror ;-) |
| 21:23.10 | arctic | jethro: my pc is a whole problem :) |
| 21:23.11 | Gathond | badcoder: probably whateveryouwantheadersfore-dev |
| 21:23.17 | ke6isf | antgel_: methinks she needs assistance in locating the package. I fold. |
| 21:23.26 | arctic | jethro: yep i'll paste it up, mom |
| 21:23.34 | antgel_ | ke6isf: me thinks troll or moron. either way there's no hope |
| 21:23.50 | n7qnc | amphi: the syntax was part of the problem |
| 21:24.00 | jethro | arctic: don't call me mom ;) |
| 21:24.01 | beardy | mom? Please say what you mean. |
| 21:24.08 | antgel_ | ke6isf: you can tell the trolls because when you give them the answer, they pretend not to hear |
| 21:24.12 | amphi | n7qnc: the interface name? |
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| 21:24.17 | jethro | beardy: I'd say he means moment |
| 21:24.18 | n7qnc | yes |
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| 21:24.24 | antgel_ | jethro: can i call you mom? |
| 21:24.27 | eyegore | no such command |
| 21:24.30 | streuner | jethro: mom=moment |
| 21:24.31 | jethro | antgel_: I'd rather not |
| 21:24.33 | n7qnc | i had auth0 instead of eth0 |
| 21:24.38 | jethro | streuner: jethro | beardy: I'd say he means moment |
| 21:24.40 | antgel_ | jethro: have it your way |
| 21:24.42 | jethro | streuner: I was kidding :) |
| 21:24.45 | arctic | jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/998 |
| 21:24.46 | streuner | hehe |
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| 21:24.55 | jethro | antgel_: I don't like you much. just pretend I don't exist and we'll be fine |
| 21:25.02 | amphi | n7qnc: uhuh |
| 21:25.02 | arctic | jethro: no no, mom = one moment plz |
| 21:25.07 | jethro | arctic: I got it :) |
| 21:25.20 | antgel_ | jethro: you don't know me much |
| 21:25.21 | ke6isf | antgel_: Nah, that's just idiotics. A troll is when you tell them the answer, and they curse you out as hostile or whichever. |
| 21:25.25 | n7qnc | when i boot now i get ath0 at the start and then it drops the connection for some reason |
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| 21:25.36 | antgel_ | ke6isf: perhaps. one will never know |
| 21:25.36 | beardy | jethro: Yes, I can understand that too, but it's only 3 more letters, and saves the time to figure out what he actually mean.. |
| 21:25.38 | jethro | antgel_: I've had enough. I just have to read what you say here, and based my opinion on this |
| 21:25.41 | n7qnc | any more ideas. i'm getting closer |
| 21:25.55 | antgel_ | jethro: so /ignore me already |
| 21:26.02 | amphi | n7qnc: does dhclient ath0 do anything for you? |
| 21:26.04 | ke6isf | clarissa: I'm sorry, but I'm unable to help you, and please do not privmsg me. |
| 21:26.06 | jethro | beardy: point. anyways, that's not helping him, and I got the point. I was just kidding when telling him not to call me mom |
| 21:26.12 | jethro | antgel_: if you go on, I will, for sure |
| 21:26.24 | clarissa | ke6isf: why you are unable? |
| 21:26.33 | ke6isf | clarissa: Because I do not know the answer. |
| 21:26.49 | beardy | jethro: For him to make himself understood, and not annoy people will help him. |
| 21:26.49 | arctic | jethro: are you writing with a friend? :) |
| 21:26.54 | jethro | arctic: change XkbRules to xfree86 |
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| 21:27.05 | arctic | jethro: but im using xorg |
| 21:27.10 | ke6isf | jenner: That's not tension, that's the lurve that is Debian. =^_^= |
| 21:27.16 | n7qnc | its looking for a connection but gets none. |
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| 21:27.29 | jethro | arctic: I know. I've had the same bug, so either change it to xfree86, or rename a file in /etc/X11. hold on a second and I'll tell you what file |
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| 21:27.53 | paulswm | You shouldn't call jethro 'mom', the proper word would be 'maman' :P |
| 21:27.57 | jethro | heh |
| 21:28.02 | clarissa | okay when i start tvtime i have a blue screen and when i press enter there i see a msg "cant open signal /dev/video0" i've searched for this file but i cant find video0 too |
| 21:28.08 | n7qnc | it sees my mac address ok |
| 21:28.08 | arctic | jethro: np, i xfree86 wont work, because it didn't before i changed it |
| 21:28.43 | jethro | arctic: can you do find -type f /etc/X11 and paste the output the same site you used earlier? |
| 21:28.54 | jethro | arctic: err find /etc/X11 -type f |
| 21:29.13 | arctic | jethro: cmd is: find /etc/X11 -type f ? |
| 21:29.19 | jethro | arctic: yes |
| 21:29.27 | amphi | n7qnc: do you have waproamd installed? you might find it useful |
| 21:29.29 | n7qnc | ifconfig sees the interface also |
| 21:29.54 | n7qnc | i will go check it out. be right back. |
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| 21:30.11 | arctic | jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/999 |
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| 21:31.24 | robertbb | What is the command necessary to format a partition in fat32 under linux? |
| 21:31.41 | robertbb | The equivalent of mke2fs |
| 21:31.41 | amphi | robertbb: mkfs -t vfat /dev/foo |
| 21:31.44 | jethro | arctic: there seem to be some missing files in /etc/X11, especially in /etc/X11/xkb/{rules,compat,keycodes,keymap}. Do you have these directories in /etc/X11/xkb ? |
| 21:31.44 | ke6isf | robertbb: da hell you want fat32 for! |
| 21:32.02 | amphi | ke6isf: it's a fine filesystem |
| 21:32.14 | robertbb | ke6isf, I want to share a part of this drive between XP and GNU/Linux |
| 21:32.19 | beardy | robertbb: If you are going to use it under windows as well, use it's tool for it instead. |
| 21:32.25 | ke6isf | robertbb: Good reason. |
| 21:32.28 | Gathond | robertbb: what amphi said, but with something like -F32 or whatever the option to enable 32 bit FAT is, iirc the plain one uses either fat16 or fat12 |
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| 21:32.39 | arctic | jethro: oh, i moved it away :) one mom, i'll paste you a new one |
| 21:32.45 | cokeblood | hi mates |
| 21:32.46 | ke6isf | !its beardy |
| 21:32.49 | ke6isf | damn |
| 21:32.55 | ke6isf | !its |
| 21:32.55 | dpkg | i heard its is the third person neuter singular possessive prononun -- "belonging to it". It does not have an apostrophe. "It's" is a contraction for "it is" and uses an apostrophe to denote removed letters. the Incompatible Timesharing System |
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| 21:33.02 | robertbb | beardy, how come? |
| 21:33.15 | Yulia | how can i enable in my keyboard AltGR? |
| 21:33.21 | jethro | arctic: please, say moment, or you will get some angry comments by wankers. I don't really care, but even though they don't help, they seem to be annoyed by this. |
| 21:33.35 | clarissa | okay when i start tvtime i have a blue screen and when i press enter there i see a msg "cant open signal /dev/video0" i've searched for this file but i cant find video0 too |
| 21:33.37 | arctic | jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1000 |
| 21:33.45 | beardy | Oh, we're going to split those kind of hairs, I'm with you.. |
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| 21:34.04 | arctic | jethro: oh ok then, i'm sorry |
| 21:34.20 | jethro | arctic: your /etc/X11/xkb is very messy. did you move things in it? |
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| 21:34.30 | arctic | jethro: nope |
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| 21:34.53 | antgel_ | jethro: hope you aren't suggesting that (1) i'm a wanker (2) i don't help people |
| 21:35.22 | robertbb | beardy, sorry for asking twice.. but.. is there a reason for you recommending that i format the partition within windows? |
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| 21:35.48 | jethro | antgel_: if you feel concerned, that's not my problem. I wasn't talking about you. now please, I'm here to support debian users in need for help, so let me do it and quit the lame comments |
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| 21:36.20 | amphi | robertbb: no, mkfs -t vfat should work fine; IIRC it chooses the FAT-bitness automatically, based on the partition size, but you might want to check the man page |
| 21:36.28 | antgel_ | jethro: i'm not concerned. i was just asking you. i'm also here to support debian users, and to get support myself. i note that you think my comments are lame. |
| 21:36.34 | jethro | *plonked* |
| 21:36.40 | robertbb | *nod*.. will do |
| 21:36.47 | jethro | antgel_: I told you. go on, and I'll /ignore as you requested. |
| 21:36.48 | dondelelcaro | jethro, antgel_: take it elsewhere, please. |
| 21:36.51 | robertbb | Thanks amphi, bearfy, ke6isf for your help :-) |
| 21:36.58 | steve_ | hey- i;m learning c++, whats the best editor to use to write it? nano? or a special programming one? |
| 21:37.00 | jethro | dondelelcaro: I already did. thanks. |
| 21:37.02 | beardy | robertbb: Yes it is. Genereally, it is best to use the native tool when formating and creating filesystems, so, when making a fat32 filesystem, the windows tools are best (safest, if you want to use it under windows later) and when making an ext2/ext3 fs, the linux tools, and so on. |
| 21:37.06 | antgel_ | jethro: /msg? |
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| 21:37.16 | clarissa | antgel_: help ;_; |
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| 21:38.26 | antgel_ | clarissa: i don't know anything about tv cards. did you insert the module yet? |
| 21:38.34 | gnufan | steve_, isn't emacs the second best editor for all applications? ;) |
| 21:38.43 | jethro | arctic: can you type dpkg -L xlibs in a shell, and post the output on the same pastebin? |
| 21:38.43 | clarissa | antgel_: how do i do this? |
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| 21:39.07 | antgel_ | clarissa: modprobe bttv. you need to be root to insert modules |
| 21:39.10 | jethro | arctic: that, and also the output of dpkg -l xlibs | tail -1 |
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| 21:39.17 | dondelelcaro | steve_: emacs or vi is pretty much the standard editor for most serious programmers... which you use is a matter of personal choice... |
| 21:39.18 | jethro | dondelelcaro: mind if I ask you why dpkg has me on ignore? |
| 21:39.27 | clarissa | done @ antgel_ |
| 21:39.29 | antgel_ | heh |
| 21:39.29 | dondelelcaro | jethro: presumably because you were abusing it. |
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| 21:39.52 | arctic | jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1001 |
| 21:39.53 | antgel_ | clarissa: ls /dev/video0? |
| 21:39.53 | clarissa | antgel_: but the message in tvtime is follow: cant open /dev/video0 |
| 21:39.54 | steve_ | my class uses microsoft visual studio .ney |
| 21:39.56 | steve_ | .net |
| 21:40.02 | jethro | dondelelcaro: well I tried modifying !beer the other day, and it has me on ignore since then. one attempt to modify is not what I'd call bot abuse. |
| 21:40.04 | amphi | steve_: shh ;) |
| 21:40.10 | clarissa | antgel_: file not found |
| 21:40.15 | steve_ | it seemed to help put the stuff where it needs to be |
| 21:40.26 | steve_ | what i want to a ba 1337 programmer. |
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| 21:40.38 | arctic | jethro: dpkg -l xlibs | tail -1 says -> ii xlibs 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4 X Window System client libraries metapackage |
| 21:40.45 | dondelelcaro | jethro: *shrug* |
| 21:40.46 | lord_rob | hi ! my freshly compiled kernel doesn't boot and hangs just after the "uncompressing the kenrel ok booting" message. Is there a way to see what's happening ? |
| 21:40.48 | antgel_ | clarissa: ok. the only thing i can suggest as i'm not a video user, is to install udev and hope it creates /dev/video0 for you. |
| 21:40.51 | steve_ | is there an equivalent of visual studio for linux? |
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| 21:40.53 | n7qnc | amphi: thanks for the help |
| 21:40.55 | pelle_ | steve_: eclipse maybe |
| 21:41.02 | n7qnc | i am wireless right now |
| 21:41.03 | amphi | steve_: vim/emacs, gcc, gdb, ctags, etc. |
| 21:41.04 | messer | hows it going everyone |
| 21:41.07 | clarissa | how to install udev? |
| 21:41.12 | jenner | steve_: eclipse |
| 21:41.15 | amphi | n7qnc: waproamd did it for you? |
| 21:41.25 | steve_ | i mean, what do the REALLY SERIOUS programmers use? |
| 21:41.26 | cokeblood | hey guys, i have some problems with pppoe connection on my debian box (i'm using fedora right now). i configured it with pppoe-conf, but i can't even ping my dns. can someone help me please? |
| 21:41.27 | n7qnc | yes |
| 21:41.27 | streuner | clarissa: if you have to ask just don't use it |
| 21:41.32 | amphi | n7qnc: cool |
| 21:41.33 | messer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.38 | steve_ | like the people who write the linux kernel- |
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| 21:41.42 | antgel_ | steve_: the right tool for the job |
| 21:41.44 | n7qnc | now i can go hash out my eth0 |
| 21:41.47 | pelle_ | steve_: they use a regular editor like emacs or vi |
| 21:41.49 | dondelelcaro | jethro: using the bot is a privilege, not a right... I'll look at the logs again, but generally when I put in an ignore it's because I'm not interested in cleaning up after a person who has been modifying factoids improperly. |
| 21:41.53 | steve_ | what do they use to program- vi? emacs? |
| 21:41.55 | messer | test message |
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| 21:42.01 | jethro | arctic: if I were you, I'd purge and reintall xlibs to fix the problem |
| 21:42.04 | dondelelcaro | steve_: one or the other, yes. |
| 21:42.04 | antgel_ | steve_: it's no good saying "i want to be a serious programmer, what tool do i use?" |
| 21:42.12 | pelle_ | steve_: some use vi, some use emacs. linus afaik uses some kind of tiny emacs clone |
| 21:42.12 | n7qnc | thanks |
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| 21:42.21 | m2 | clarissa: ls -ld /dev/.udev* |
| 21:42.23 | steve_ | why not use something like visual studio or eclipse? |
| 21:42.26 | messer | steve_ learn c |
| 21:42.26 | n7qnc | logoff |
| 21:42.32 | pelle_ | steve_: because they suck |
| 21:42.39 | steve_ | they suck? |
| 21:42.42 | jethro | dondelelcaro: well I was drunk, modified beer but made a typo, then didn't even have time to fix it, and was already ignored. I'm not claiming I should not be ignored, I'm just willing to understand. |
| 21:42.47 | arctic | jethro: can you plz tell me the cmd for reinstalling xlibs, when i try to remove xlibs, he wants to remove more than that |
| 21:42.49 | pelle_ | steve_: well, IMO |
| 21:42.51 | steve_ | and what is better about c versus c++? |
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| 21:42.55 | clarissa | m2: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 3940 2005-09-04 21:23 /dev/.udevdb |
| 21:42.55 | abrotman | !plz |
| 21:42.55 | dpkg | i heard plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 21:43.01 | steve_ | all they teach here is c++ |
| 21:43.04 | jethro | dondelelcaro: on the other hand, being used to tell people about things using dpkg, it's not as easy without it ;) |
| 21:43.04 | antgel_ | arctic: apt-get install --reinstall xlibs |
| 21:43.05 | messer | artic dpkg-reconfigure WHATEVERPACKAGE |
| 21:43.06 | jenner | pelle_: eclipse doesn't suck generally, it's just too heavy weight for most cases |
| 21:43.15 | m2 | clarissa: that means you have udev |
| 21:43.23 | jethro | dondelelcaro: anyway, that's no big deal, and I'll use either apt or ravenbird |
| 21:43.23 | messer | artic listen to mine lol |
| 21:43.31 | pelle_ | jenner: probably... and it's probably also a question of taste |
| 21:43.33 | abrotman | steve_: ask #c |
| 21:43.35 | antgel_ | messer: that doesn't reinstall anything |
| 21:43.36 | clarissa | omg why then no video0 file ;_; i need this for watching ._. |
| 21:43.40 | arctic | antgel_: thx |
| 21:43.45 | messer | antgel im sure he means to reconfigure, not reinstall |
| 21:43.48 | jenner | pelle_: right, as usual :) |
| 21:43.55 | arctic | jethro: i've done it |
| 21:43.56 | jethro | arctic: apt-get --reinstall install I'd say. I'm not sure it'll purge the mess in /etc/X11 though. |
| 21:43.59 | antgel_ | messer: i'm sure he has files missing |
| 21:44.08 | messer | maybe |
| 21:44.17 | arctic | jethro: he installed the sarge version |
| 21:44.19 | messer | arctic you missing packages? |
| 21:44.35 | messer | files* |
| 21:44.43 | m2 | clarissa: can you paste the output of dmesg to http://pastebin.com/? |
| 21:45.01 | jethro | messer: his problem is badly organized files and directories in /etc/X11, preventing him from using any Xkb{Rules,Model,Layout} |
| 21:45.03 | arctic | messer: which packages? allg? |
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| 21:45.09 | darkcity | hi |
| 21:45.11 | messer | oh |
| 21:45.19 | darkcity | can anybody help me pleas urgent |
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| 21:45.23 | jethro | arctic: you're using xorg in sarge? |
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| 21:45.25 | arctic | jethro: what should i do after reinstalling? |
| 21:45.31 | arctic | jethro: yep |
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| 21:45.35 | antgel_ | !tell darkcity about ask |
| 21:45.36 | garyc | lakcaj are you there |
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| 21:46.00 | darkcity | antgel, i am trying to move some files from a fat hardrive to a ext3 hardrive |
| 21:46.09 | darkcity | but the transfer rate is extremly slow |
| 21:46.14 | darkcity | what should i do?? |
| 21:46.25 | antgel_ | darkcity: what sort of hard drive? |
| 21:46.26 | m2 | darkcity: define slow |
| 21:46.45 | peterS | that doesn't sound the least bit urgent |
| 21:46.50 | arctic | jethro: why do you ask? |
| 21:46.55 | clarissa | okay wait m2 |
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| 21:47.06 | cokeblood | hey guys, i have some problems with pppoe connection on my debian box (i'm using fedora right now). i configured it with pppoe-conf, but i can't even ping my dns. can someone help me please? her you can find my plog/ifconfig ppp0/route -n outputs => http://pastebin.com/354723 |
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| 21:47.14 | darkcity | peterS, i need to restore a bakup university project |
| 21:47.23 | jethro | arctic: to help you in a more accurate way |
| 21:47.23 | Linuxgimp | Any one in here know anything about VMware? |
| 21:47.25 | garyc | does anyone see me typing |
| 21:47.27 | darkcity | the two hardrives are ata |
| 21:47.32 | antgel_ | !tell Linuxgimp about anyone |
| 21:47.35 | messer | linuxgimp yeah |
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| 21:47.38 | darkcity | the os is ubuntu |
| 21:47.42 | arctic | jethro: oh, np |
| 21:47.47 | peterS | darkcity: why are you asking *here* if it's ubuntu? |
| 21:47.47 | antgel_ | !tell darkcity about ubuntu |
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| 21:47.54 | garyc | does anyone se me typing |
| 21:47.58 | streuner | arctic: why do you think you need xorg? |
| 21:47.58 | abrotman | no |
| 21:48.01 | paulswm | garyc: No |
| 21:48.03 | messer | garyc yes |
| 21:48.07 | antgel_ | i used to think the sunday factoid was a joke, but now i see it for myself |
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| 21:48.15 | peterS | antgel_: indeed |
| 21:48.16 | darkcity | antgel, its the same |
| 21:48.24 | paulswm | !beer antgel_ |
| 21:48.24 | jethro | arctic: http://saje3.docisland.org/~jethro/stuff/xkb.content that's what I have in /etc/X11/xkb, and I use xfree86 as the XkbRules setting |
| 21:48.32 | garyc | how do I install gnomebaker |
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| 21:48.43 | antgel_ | paulswm: don't think that'll do it. got any opiates? |
| 21:48.53 | paulswm | antgel_: And as it is a .us holiday tomorrow, it may carry over :) |
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| 21:48.56 | clarissa | m2: http://pastebin.com/354728 |
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| 21:49.15 | arctic | streuner: when i compare xfree with xorg, its quicklier, i see windows quicklier on my desktop and the quality is imho better than xfree |
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| 21:49.28 | antgel_ | arctic: pull the other one :P |
| 21:49.31 | garyc | how do I install gnomebaker |
| 21:49.32 | darkcity | antgel, i am going to try the ubuntu servers thanks anyway |
| 21:49.35 | paulswm | antgel_: Not since the morphine shot in hospital Thursday night |
| 21:49.36 | jethro | arctic: at least xfree has no XkbRules problem in sarge ;) |
| 21:49.43 | antgel_ | darkcity: good luck |
| 21:49.48 | garyc | messer how do I install gnomebaker |
| 21:49.48 | gnufan | antgel, factoid - something like sunday drivers? |
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| 21:49.55 | abrotman | garyc: apt-get install gnomebaker |
| 21:49.58 | messer | apt-get install gnomebaker |
| 21:50.01 | antgel_ | gnufan: eh? |
| 21:50.02 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: http://ovaici.homelinux.com/stupidaimconvo.txt |
| 21:50.06 | messer | or find the tar.gz package |
| 21:50.12 | streuner | arctic: so the coulors are more red? |
| 21:50.23 | abrotman | messer: don't say that |
| 21:50.24 | messer | and tar xzvf it , ./configure it, and then make and make install as root |
| 21:50.32 | streuner | arctic: or is that only subjective? |
| 21:50.35 | antgel_ | messer: why the hell would you tell him that? |
| 21:50.40 | garyc | abrotman I did that and it said a bunch of stuff was missing |
| 21:50.42 | abrotman | messer: DON"T SAY THAT |
| 21:50.47 | abrotman | garyc: like what |
| 21:50.58 | messer | lol why |
| 21:51.07 | antgel_ | *plonk* |
| 21:51.09 | arctic | jethro: and what do you want so sey exactly? :/ |
| 21:51.18 | abrotman | messer: are you going to be here when his custom compiled gnomebaker breaks? .. if not SHUT UP |
| 21:51.18 | messer | is this like linear debian usage only |
| 21:51.34 | garyc | Package gnomebaker is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 21:51.45 | abrotman | garyc: what version of debian are you using ? |
| 21:51.48 | messer | apt-cache search gnomebaker |
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| 21:51.52 | beardy | messer: That's not the way to install things in debian, you should know that if you were running it. |
| 21:51.59 | jethro | arctic: I don't understand your last sentence |
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| 21:52.15 | arctic | streuner: for me it's more clear and more beautiful than xfree |
| 21:52.16 | abrotman | jethro: i think he's trying to say you're sexy |
| 21:52.19 | messer | sometimes there are no .deb packages |
| 21:52.20 | garyc | abrotman E: Package gnomebaker has no installation candidate |
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| 21:52.28 | abrotman | garyc: WHAT version of debian? |
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| 21:52.34 | abrotman | messer: but there are .. so don't say that |
| 21:52.35 | antgel_ | arctic: you are having a joke with us, right? |
| 21:52.35 | messer | garyc apt-cache search gnomebaker |
| 21:52.39 | garyc | abrotman ubuntu 5.0.4 |
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| 21:52.40 | jethro | abrotman: of course I am :) |
| 21:52.47 | abrotman | garyc: then go to #ubuntu |
| 21:52.48 | arctic | jehtro: i do not understand what you want to say me, do you want me to change back to free ? |
| 21:52.50 | messer | abrotman, ok |
| 21:53.01 | arctic | antgel_: nope |
| 21:53.11 | n7qnc | abrotman: thanks for the help with my wireless. |
| 21:53.16 | jethro | arctic: no I was kidding for xfree :) |
| 21:53.17 | abrotman | n7qnc: all fixed? |
| 21:53.24 | cadu | !ubuntusmite garyc |
| 21:53.25 | arctic | jethro: oh |
| 21:53.27 | m2 | clarissa: that seems mostly ok. There's nothing about the tuner... I think that's weird |
| 21:53.29 | n7qnc | yep |
| 21:53.35 | jethro | arctic: though it'd probably be easier since xfree is the default in sarge |
| 21:53.40 | abrotman | n7qnc: yay |
| 21:53.42 | garyc | abrotman cant goto #ubuntu , can't register my nick |
| 21:53.43 | arctic | jethro: sorry, but i do not change back :D |
| 21:53.45 | clarissa | m2: yes :'( but i dont know what i should do ,_, |
| 21:53.48 | jethro | arctic: I don't think the xorg backport is official :) |
| 21:53.50 | m2 | clarissa: it should say something about tuner0,or so... |
| 21:53.55 | streuner | arctic: i would suggest if you haven't a reason to change back to xfree |
| 21:53.58 | jethro | arctic: I'm not asking this, you should be able to fix your xorg ;) |
| 21:54.00 | abrotman | garyc: it doesn't matter .. it's not debian .. anything we tell you could destroy your machine |
| 21:54.03 | beardy | garyc: /msg NickServ help |
| 21:54.06 | arctic | jethro: i know, but i know 3 people who don't have troubles with xorg and their keyboard |
| 21:54.14 | abrotman | garyc: and if you can't register garyc .. pick another |
| 21:54.25 | clarissa | m2: tvtime says cant open source /dev/video0 |
| 21:54.33 | abrotman | garyc: your nick is already registered .. as you! |
| 21:54.35 | streuner | arctic: we hardly haven't any complaints about sarge backport here, that's another fact. |
| 21:54.36 | garyc | I don't know how to pick anotheer |
| 21:54.40 | arctic | jethro: why fix xorg, do you think my xorg doesn't work properly? |
| 21:54.45 | abrotman | garyc: you picked a password didn't you ? |
| 21:54.52 | gnufan | Crikes we get a lot of Ubuntu problems here, perhaps they should take the hint and install an OS that works ;) |
| 21:54.52 | jethro | arctic: I've had a similar problem with unstable, but my /etc/X11/xkb was not as messy as yours |
| 21:54.58 | antgel_ | clarissa: have you actually read any documentation on this? |
| 21:55.03 | garyc | abrotman how do I choose a diffrent name? |
| 21:55.04 | m2 | clarissa: it seems to me that you have a DVB card. |
| 21:55.05 | jethro | arctic: I'd blame the content of you /etc/X11/xkb directory :) |
| 21:55.13 | abrotman | garyc: what password did you tell nickserv ? |
| 21:55.14 | jethro | s/you/your/ |
| 21:55.18 | darkcity | antgel, i dont get any respons in the ubuntu chanel |
| 21:55.18 | clarissa | thats right m2 |
| 21:55.20 | m2 | clarissa: those are common inGermany |
| 21:55.27 | antgel_ | gnufan: it's more for windows users - they would feel lost without problems |
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| 21:55.35 | darkcity | antgel, do you have any idea of what could be the problem?? |
| 21:55.39 | peterS | !they don't know |
| 21:55.39 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 21:55.44 | gnufan | darkcity, that is antgel_ problem how exactly ;) |
| 21:55.47 | Alumni | antgel_: What is for Windows users? GAIM? |
| 21:55.48 | garyc | abrotman yes but I don't know if I was in the right place when i did it |
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| 21:55.57 | garyc | 223311 |
| 21:56.04 | clarissa | m2: yes i have a dvb-t card and with the software from windows it works |
| 21:56.11 | antgel_ | Alumni: no, ubuntu |
| 21:56.15 | m2 | clarissa: try installing dvb-utils and dvbtune |
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| 21:56.18 | abrotman | garyc: just do it here .. |
| 21:56.21 | arctic | jethro: i think the xkb directory is the mistake, but you do not have any idea to fix it? |
| 21:56.22 | Alumni | antgel_: Heheh |
| 21:56.28 | abrotman | garyc: /msg nickserv identify <password> |
| 21:56.33 | abrotman | garyc: then /j #ubuntu |
| 21:56.33 | antgel_ | darkcity: you didn't tell us what type of disk it is. |
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| 21:56.41 | darkcity | gnufan, when i try to transfer files from a fat hardrive to a ext3 hardrive the transfer speed is extremly slow |
| 21:56.46 | arctic | streuner: do you use xorg? |
| 21:56.55 | Alumni | Also, saying Ubuntu out loud makes people look at you like you just said a bad word. |
| 21:56.59 | antgel_ | darkcity: if there is no answer in #ubuntu, try a better-supported distro |
| 21:57.04 | darkcity | antgel, jus plain 200 gb ata hardrives |
| 21:57.16 | clarissa | m2: have installed |
| 21:57.20 | streuner | arctic: Why? |
| 21:57.23 | antgel_ | darkcity: on the same ide channel? |
| 21:57.23 | cadu | !badword |
| 21:57.28 | garyc | abrotman password incorrect |
| 21:57.28 | darkcity | antgel, does this problem exist in debian |
| 21:57.30 | gnufan | darkcity, it is probably the hdparams that are wrong, but I've no idea how Ubuntu tries to default them, which is why I'm in #debian |
| 21:57.31 | cadu | dpkg: badword is Ubuntu |
| 21:57.32 | dpkg | cadu: okay |
| 21:57.35 | cadu | !badword |
| 21:57.36 | jethro | arctic: did you read my earlier link ? |
| 21:57.36 | dpkg | it has been said that badword is Ubuntu |
| 21:57.37 | abrotman | garyc: then you need to figure it out ... |
| 21:57.39 | cadu | :) |
| 21:57.39 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: forget badword |
| 21:57.40 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: i forgot badword |
| 21:57.41 | arctic | streuner: because you asked me ;) |
| 21:57.43 | jethro | arctic: http://saje3.docisland.org/~jethro/stuff/xkb.content |
| 21:57.44 | beardy | !botabuse |
| 21:57.45 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 21:57.47 | Alumni | darkcity: You know, Debian isn't a bad distribution. Maybe if you want to get support in #debian, you are a good canidate for Debian? |
| 21:57.47 | cadu | dondelelcaro: ;'( |
| 21:57.47 | abrotman | garyc: we can't effectively help you here |
| 21:57.54 | streuner | arctic: I saw no changes for me |
| 21:57.58 | dondelelcaro | cadu: please don't insert useless factoids |
| 21:57.59 | darkcity | antgel, one usb the other ata |
| 21:58.08 | cokeblood | hey guys, i have some problems with pppoe connection on my debian box (i'm using fedora right now). i configured it with pppoe-conf, but i can't even ping my dns. can someone help me please? her you can find my plog/ifconfig ppp0/route -n outputs => http://pastebin.com/354723 |
| 21:58.11 | abrotman | and learn how to spell Guinness :) |
| 21:58.14 | cokeblood | sorry i fi reapeat this |
| 21:58.15 | cadu | dondelelcaro : would you excuse me ? |
| 21:58.16 | antgel_ | darkcity: fucking hell, this is like pulling teeth |
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| 21:58.24 | streuner | arctic: I use a SiS vidoecard and due to this fact i have to use extern driver.... |
| 21:58.28 | antgel_ | darkcity: perhaps you have usb1 ports? |
| 21:58.28 | cokeblood | but i really want to have a working debianbox so i can start using it |
| 21:58.29 | arctic | jetrho: yep, but i do not know how to handle with it, because i'm as much expiried in linux like you |
| 21:58.41 | Alumni | darkcity: Or find a Ubuntu mailing list |
| 21:58.55 | darkcity | antgel, im not stupid a usb ext3 formated hardrive works perfecty XD |
| 21:58.56 | antgel_ | cokeblood: best thing to do is install debian |
| 21:59.00 | jethro | arctic: as much expiried in linux like me? what does this mean? |
| 21:59.14 | abrotman | garyc: if you still can't figure it out .. ask #freenode to let you reregister the nick |
| 21:59.19 | antgel_ | darkcity: wtf? |
| 21:59.22 | darkcity | i think i am going to go for debian next wek xd |
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| 21:59.36 | Alumni | Has anyone tried replacing GNU stuff with BSD userland? |
| 21:59.38 | arctic | jethro: i think you use linux longer than me |
| 21:59.49 | antgel_ | Alumni: only crazt people |
| 21:59.50 | jethro | arctic: ah ok. I got it. |
| 21:59.50 | dondelelcaro | Alumni: no one sane would bother... |
| 21:59.51 | garyc | abrotman how do I specify a different nick the instructions talk about choosing alpha characteres but it does not say how to do that |
| 21:59.55 | abrotman | Alumni: you mean like .. freebsd ? |
| 21:59.56 | antgel_ | s/zt/sy |
| 22:00.03 | antgel_ | s/sy/zt |
| 22:00.05 | peterS | Alumni: or mastodon linux, by david parsons |
| 22:00.06 | antgel_ | :) |
| 22:00.07 | abrotman | garyc: /j #freenode .. ask them to reset your registration |
| 22:00.12 | Alumni | Maybe I disagree with GPL-licensed software being free. |
| 22:00.17 | dondelelcaro | Alumni: since that will almost certainly break almost every single maintainer script in interesting and some times spectacular ways |
| 22:00.19 | Alumni | peterS: Thanks. |
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| 22:00.22 | peterS | Alumni: he didn't replace the whole userland, necessarily, just what he feasibly could |
| 22:00.26 | amphi | Alumni: no, you heretic ;) |
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| 22:00.28 | garyc | abrotman can i do that here |
| 22:00.32 | gnufan | Aligma, then replace the kernel as well. |
| 22:00.32 | beardy | Alumni: Go to Microsoft and sell your soul? |
| 22:00.32 | darkcity | antgel, i am shure is has something to do with the configuration |
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| 22:00.35 | peterS | Alumni: it's also libc4-based, so it's kind of weird |
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| 22:00.45 | abrotman | garyc: /j #freenode .. wait for them to let you speak .. then ask them to allow you to reregister the nick |
| 22:00.49 | Alumni | peterS: Hmm |
| 22:00.56 | abrotman | i have no idea how to recover your password from nickserfv |
| 22:01.05 | antgel_ | darkcity: i asked you if it was a usb1 port. |
| 22:01.18 | Coag | !drxx |
| 22:01.19 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:01.19 | peterS | Alumni: yeah he's funny like that. I have no idea if mastodon is still going on but a few years ago, he was the *only* person on the linux-kernel list still reporting bugs and fixes related to a.out binaries and libc4 ( |
| 22:01.24 | peterS | (: |
| 22:01.26 | darkcity | antgel, its 2.0 |
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| 22:01.32 | arctic | jethro: so you mean, i have to reinstall debian and use xfree to solve that problem? :/ |
| 22:01.46 | cokeblood | antgel_: i haev a n installed and working debian on my other partition. but i can't connect |
| 22:01.47 | antgel_ | darkcity: i have no idea. |
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| 22:02.12 | jethro | arctic: no. make a backup of your broken /etc/X11/xkb directory, then reinstall xlibs |
| 22:02.20 | antgel_ | cokeblood: if you don't describe your problem properly, you are unlikely to get help |
| 22:02.33 | dondelelcaro | arctic: just reinstall whatever provides that directory with --force-confmiss |
| 22:02.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell arctic -about confmiss |
| 22:02.41 | Alumni | peterS: It seems Mastodon still exists http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Mastodon/ |
| 22:02.49 | peterS | Alumni: that's the one |
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| 22:03.19 | cokeblood | antgel_ ok i'll try to explain it in another way |
| 22:03.21 | dondelelcaro | ugh... and I thought using libc5 was insanity |
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| 22:04.00 | gnufan | silly question - is there an "apt advice" tool around. I was thinking like a simple tool that analysis the installed packages, and suggests packages you might prefer, and such like. |
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| 22:04.14 | dondelelcaro | gnufan: that's basically what the Suggests: fields are for |
| 22:04.27 | Alumni | peterS: Thanks. :) |
| 22:04.43 | peterS | Alumni: nice to know he's still around, at least as of April 2004 |
| 22:04.46 | dondelelcaro | gnufan: the only other thing that may also be useful is checking out popcon to see what packages other people have installed |
| 22:04.51 | cokeblood | hey guys, i have a problem: i can't connect from debian with my pppoe connection. i ran pppoe-conf, and it says everything works, but if i try to open a web page, or to ping some ip adress i got no response. i can't even ping my DNS. here are outputs of plog, ifconfig ppp0 and route -n commands, so you can understand what's going on: http://pastebin.com/354723 |
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| 22:05.45 | jethro | arctic: I have to leave for 15-20 minutes, talk to you later if your problem isn't fixed by the --force-confmiss |
| 22:05.50 | pshaggy | is there a command to determine the filesystem type of a mass usb device? |
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| 22:05.56 | antgel_ | cokeblood: ah, i saw your question before, sorry. i know sweet FA about pppoe |
| 22:06.02 | antgel_ | pshaggy: fdisk -l |
| 22:06.30 | gentoothreefour | now im noticing the similarities with debian and gentoo |
| 22:06.47 | pshaggy | ok, and to mount a Fat16 filesystem you tell fstab that it is vfat, right?\ |
| 22:06.59 | amphi | pshaggy: auto may well be enough |
| 22:07.11 | gnufan | dondelelcaro, I know about Suggests (although I think mostly aptitude is the only thing to use the other fields), but I'm thinking of a way of simply codifying the "wisdom", or even personal bias.... Just didn't want to reinvent the wheel. Also thinking it should have an "explaination" with each rule ( kde ^ !gnone => +gnome, -kde "KDE is evil" - type rules). |
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| 22:08.49 | garyc | abrotman cant talk to #freenode I could not type fast enough and they left |
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| 22:10.20 | Coag | i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and restarted X and like i still can only get max 60hz@1280x1024 |
| 22:10.20 | antgel_ | when installing a kernel, is a depmod warning with "unresolved symbols" a sure sign that the module won't load on reboot? |
| 22:10.25 | dondelelcaro | gnufan: you won't be able to talk until someone voices you there. Talk to HedgeMage or nenolod; about it (/stats p) if you need specific help |
| 22:10.28 | beardy | pshaggy: Not vfat? msdos, isn't it? auto should work fine though. |
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| 22:10.51 | Coag | its all fuzzy and unpleasent to look at :( |
| 22:10.52 | arctic | jethro: i used cmd and he says that many files are missing, for each file he installs a config-file, what do i do with them? |
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| 22:11.19 | agd5f | has anyone gotten debian apache2 and php to work together properly? |
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| 22:11.26 | hennewou | Hi, I would like to compile the lirc_atiusb module from lirc-modules-source package, but dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source doesn't give an option for it. Any ideas? |
| 22:11.27 | streuner | !tell arctic about confmiss |
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| 22:12.03 | ma3x | I can't remove back.jpg |
| 22:12.07 | ma3x | rm: cannot remove `Back.jpg': Permission denied |
| 22:12.15 | ma3x | -rwx-----x 1 ma3x ma3x 519954 2005-09-02 19:10 Back.jpg |
| 22:12.16 | ma3x | why? |
| 22:12.25 | Alumni | ma3x: Are you root? |
| 22:12.31 | ma3x | Alumni, no, but owner of file |
| 22:12.34 | Alumni | ma3x: Was it created as root? |
| 22:12.46 | ma3x | Alumni, yes but given ownership to me after |
| 22:12.52 | arctic | streuner: can i talk to you in german? |
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| 22:13.07 | gnufan | before upgrade to sid, uninstall listbugs ;) |
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| 22:13.13 | beardy | arctic: tried #debian.de ? |
| 22:13.16 | streuner | arctic: no |
| 22:13.27 | streuner | arctic: your english is good - use it |
| 22:13.28 | arctic | beardy: yep once and last time ;) |
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| 22:13.46 | arctic | beardy: they do not help you |
| 22:14.00 | beardy | arctic: Ok, never been there myself. |
| 22:14.01 | Alumni | arctic: Gruss dich |
| 22:14.27 | arctic | beardy: i do not recommend that channel ;) |
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| 22:14.42 | streuner | arctic: the main thing is, you should be able to install all debs |
| 22:14.56 | Alumni | arctic: I thought you knew German. :) |
| 22:14.58 | arctic | streuner: which all? |
| 22:15.03 | streuner | arctic: Are you able to install them (xorg)? |
| 22:15.05 | beardy | arctic: As streuner said, your english seems fine. |
| 22:15.06 | arctic | Alumni: kann ich auch |
| 22:15.12 | Alumni | arctic: Danke |
| 22:15.35 | Alumni | arctic: Auf weider sagen (I think) |
| 22:15.44 | pa_rado_x | quick question: can i stall Debian on a RAID HDD w/ HPT370 |
| 22:15.50 | Alumni | No more German in here, I might get +q :) |
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| 22:16.50 | pa_rado_x | anybody tried it? |
| 22:16.55 | arctic | streuner: i do not check how to use that confmiss, until now i typed in apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install xlibs and he created some config-files |
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| 22:17.12 | Alumni | pa_rado_x: Define "stall." |
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| 22:17.20 | pa_rado_x | install |
| 22:17.22 | pa_rado_x | sorry :) |
| 22:17.25 | Alumni | pa_rado_x: That word is too ambiguous with your usage. |
| 22:17.33 | Alumni | pa_rado_x: Oh, not sure. |
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| 22:17.42 | gnufan | !dpkg google HPT370 linux |
| 22:17.44 | antgel_ | !seen Manoj_ |
| 22:17.45 | dpkg | manoj_ is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 465 messages. Is idling for 4h 56m 14s |
| 22:17.47 | dpkg | Google says HPT370 linux is at http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/hpt370.html or https://listman.redhat.com/archives/ataraid-list/2001-August/msg00025.html or https://listman.redhat.com/archives/ataraid-list/2001-August/msg00026.html or https://listman.redhat.com/archives/ataraid-list/2001-August/msg00028.html or https://listman.redhat.com/archives/ataraid-list/2001-August/date.html |
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| 22:18.01 | pa_rado_x | hmm redhat |
| 22:18.15 | beardy | Please use a web broswer and google yourself, or /msg the bot. |
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| 22:18.25 | cokeblood | hey guys, i'l try to aks my question another time, hoping someone know how to help me. hope never dies :D |
| 22:18.27 | cokeblood | hey guys, i have a problem: i can't connect from debian with my pppoe connection. i ran pppoe-conf, and it says everything works, but if i try to open a web page, or to ping some ip adress i got no response. i can't even ping my DNS. here are outputs of plog, ifconfig ppp0 and route -n commands, so you can understand what's going on: http://pastebin.com/354723 |
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| 22:19.17 | Alumni | Google from within IRC. I would have thought HTTP replaced IRC. :) |
| 22:19.21 | SimonRaven | if your default route is ok, have you tried clamping the mtu to the mss? |
| 22:19.23 | pa_rado_x | i was just reading that http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/hpt370.html |
| 22:19.30 | pa_rado_x | but it is a little too advanced for me |
| 22:19.34 | pa_rado_x | its my first linux install |
| 22:19.38 | pa_rado_x | and it seems old |
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| 22:19.50 | SimonRaven | (and you haven't iptables'd yourself out of a net conn ;) |
| 22:19.54 | pa_rado_x | so i was wondering if this has been incorporated into the install |
| 22:20.47 | cadu | !google netinst |
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| 22:20.52 | dpkg | Google says netinst is at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or http://www.netinst.org/ or http://www.debianplanet.org/module.php?mod=search&keys=netinst or http://markybobdeb.sourceforge.net/elf/ |
| 22:20.55 | abrotman | garyc: wait .. they will voicew you |
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| 22:21.45 | SimonRaven | #freenode? yeh, or you can do a /stats p in the chan and it'll show you what if any staffers are there |
| 22:21.51 | SimonRaven | and /msg them |
| 22:22.01 | SimonRaven | (LIKE THE /TOPIC SAYS) |
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| 22:22.23 | gnufan | pa_rado_x, the Debian mailing list archive says it has, just try it I guess. |
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| 22:22.34 | pa_rado_x | thanks |
| 22:22.39 | pa_rado_x | i will give it a shot |
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| 22:23.33 | arctic | streuner: can you plz explain me how to use that confmiss? or do i only need to take that one cmd from !tell box and use it on xlibs? |
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| 22:23.46 | h3xis | can anyone tell me how to set the path to java? |
| 22:23.55 | Mookie | I have a situation where gnome is insisting on ignoring my available X configurations for screen resolution. Anyone know gnome enough to get it to stop? |
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| 22:25.08 | gnufan | h3xis, path is usually set by something like "export PATH=$PATH:blah" but I think Java may also need a classpath set. What precisely are you trying to install and run with Java? |
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| 22:26.18 | SimonRaven | oi, not too bright that one... |
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| 22:26.27 | h3xis | gnufan, i know what to type kinda, but i don't know if it's .bashrc or bash_profile. i've tried everything and i'm pretty sure i've done it right. i'm wanting to install/use limewire, but i know i will use future java apps |
| 22:26.28 | covux | hi. is there a debian way to change permission on usb devices if you want to use the Logitech mice dpi feature in kde 3.4? |
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| 22:26.46 | h3xis | gnufan, but nothing seems to work |
| 22:27.32 | wintix | how can i generate an des-hash out of a word? or maybe can anyone here generate a hash for me? |
| 22:27.49 | gnufan | h3xis, bash_profile is everyone, .bashrc just yourself. Did you restart bash after editting .bashrc? Type "bash" to start a new bash in the current one. |
| 22:27.58 | lakcaj | h3xis, if you installed sun's java using debian's java-package, and then used alien to convert the rpm to a deb and installed with dpkg, then you have only to type limewire in a terminal and everything is automagically setup for you. |
| 22:28.06 | gnufan | libc wants to upgrade, must dash |
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| 22:28.22 | h3xis | i already have java installed, and everything i just need to set the path |
| 22:28.26 | h3xis | i downloaded the binary |
| 22:28.34 | h3xis | and yes i restarted bash |
| 22:28.39 | EasterSunshine | quick question: will i be able to browse ANY folder on a mounted NTFS including those that were marked as private by a password-protected user on winxp? |
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| 22:29.05 | h3xis | ive tried JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jre1.5.0_04/bin" and then on the next line i have export JAVA_HOME |
| 22:29.12 | EasterSunshine | in other words, does the ntfs driver ignore file permissions? |
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| 22:29.19 | h3xis | and ive tried this in bash_profile and .bashrc |
| 22:29.25 | abrotman | EasterSunshine: afaik .. yes |
| 22:29.32 | EasterSunshine | wee! |
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| 22:29.38 | EasterSunshine | thx |
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| 22:30.32 | streamerr | hi |
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| 22:35.27 | arctic | streuner: i installed xlibs with --force-confmiss .... |
| 22:36.37 | jethro | arctic: did you also modify the XkbRules in xorg.conf ? |
| 22:37.29 | arctic | jethro: xfree86? |
| 22:37.36 | jethro | arctic: yes |
| 22:37.50 | streuner | heh |
| 22:38.02 | arctic | jethro: mhm, it shows xfree86 |
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| 22:38.22 | jethro | arctic: does your server start now? |
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| 22:38.34 | arctic | jethro: xprop -root | grep XKB -> says -> _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = "xfree86", "pc105", "de", "nodeadkeys", ""_XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xfree86", "pc105", "de", "nodeadkeys", "" |
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| 22:38.50 | arctic | jethro: yep but i do have the same problem :/ |
| 22:38.57 | jethro | duh |
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| 22:39.30 | arctic | jethro: i think i need to install other xlibs, because these from debianpackages only supports xfree |
| 22:39.36 | jdrake | is there any way of gauging the % of completion of a jigdo download? |
| 22:39.44 | antgel_ | nothing like building a kernel for hours with a debian .config and then having it not install due to a mkinitrd bug, when you didn't even FUCKING NEED INITRD. grr |
| 22:39.49 | streuner | arctic: have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'? |
| 22:40.02 | arctic | streuner: no? |
| 22:40.09 | dli | jdrake, I think you may check the folder size |
| 22:40.16 | jethro | arctic: you have the same message telling you to look at xprop and gconftool's outputs? |
| 22:40.25 | arctic | jethro: yep :/ |
| 22:40.28 | jethro | arctic: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/997 that one? |
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| 22:40.50 | arctic | jethro: yes |
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| 22:41.39 | jdrake | dli, well there is a dir that is either 704 bytes or 704 kilobytes, i am unsure here else to look |
| 22:41.57 | arctic | jethro: should i try the xlibs from ubuntu? |
| 22:42.01 | jethro | arctic: no |
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| 22:42.36 | dli | jdrake, jigdo downloads the files to a folder |
| 22:42.38 | streuner | arctic: show us your sources.list (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 22:43.06 | dli | jdrake, sorry, I forgot which one, but it prompts you at startup |
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| 22:45.09 | dli | jdrake or just wait :) 600 MB over 40 KB/s means 4 hours |
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| 22:45.21 | arctic | streuner, jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1002 |
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| 22:46.42 | eyegore | back just finished a burger hot off the grill with cheese, avacado and onion, mmmmm |
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| 22:47.14 | kimo | peterS, Hey man remember me from yesterday |
| 22:47.26 | peterS | kimo: sure |
| 22:47.51 | kimo | peterS, just wanted to tell ya that I tested the cups tunneling and it worked great :) |
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| 22:48.04 | jethro | arctic: what does apt-cache policy xlibs say ? (you can post on the same pastebin) |
| 22:48.07 | eyegore | cups tunneling? |
| 22:48.12 | peterS | kimo: cool! |
| 22:48.19 | kimo | peterS, printing from Windows/Linux and all. It rox :) |
| 22:48.32 | eyegore | wow |
| 22:48.51 | eyegore | write a howto |
| 22:48.58 | arctic | jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1003 |
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| 22:50.17 | streuner | arctic: one word to your sources.list - use always offcial packages |
| 22:50.24 | jethro | arctic: and dpkg -l xlibs | tail -1 ? |
| 22:50.37 | streuner | arctic: if you mix those you will get headaches... |
| 22:50.56 | arctic | streuner: do you mean the non-contrib? |
| 22:51.15 | kimo | what's the coolest thing have any of you done with ssh port forwarding ? (I am getting obssesed after playing with cups :) ) |
| 22:51.17 | arctic | jethro: ii xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 X Keyboard Extension (XKB) configuration dat |
| 22:51.34 | streuner | hm |
| 22:51.50 | streuner | !jethro++ |
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| 22:52.26 | streuner | arctic: we asked you, do you have all xorg debs installed without problems... |
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| 22:53.23 | arctic | streuner: yes, i havent had any problems since i installed xserver-xorg |
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| 22:53.40 | jethro | streuner: he had xlibs from xorg earlier |
| 22:54.38 | streuner | so why it didn't overwrite those debs then? |
| 22:55.01 | streuner | and installed xorg? |
| 22:55.02 | jethro | streuner: what's puzzling me is that after the reinstall, he has xfree's |
| 22:55.09 | streuner | yes |
| 22:55.23 | arctic | because there are no xlibs included, only the hoary deb symlink has xlibs i think |
| 22:55.30 | jethro | !sarge xorg |
| 22:55.40 | jethro | !xorg sarge |
| 22:55.40 | dpkg | i guess xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 22:55.41 | streuner | http://www.acm.cs.rpi.edu/~dilinger/xorg/xlibs_6.8.2-10sarge1_all.deb |
| 22:55.43 | jethro | arctic: use this repo |
| 22:55.57 | jethro | arctic: and only this one, no need to have 2 |
| 22:56.14 | arctic | jethro: what? repo? |
| 22:56.21 | jethro | arctic: http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ |
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| 22:56.41 | jethro | arctic: remove the acm.cs.rpi one, also remove the ubuntu one, then run apt-get update |
| 22:56.41 | Unified | hi |
| 22:56.42 | Kerr | why are people so obsessed with getting xorg? |
| 22:56.50 | Unified | how can i build a deb package from sources? |
| 22:56.51 | jethro | arctic: after that, apt-cache policy xlibs again |
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| 22:56.56 | Kerr | if it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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| 22:56.59 | antgel_ | Kerr: same reason they want kde3.4 and e17 |
| 22:57.02 | thingfish | Kerr: I wonder the same thing. |
| 22:57.03 | jethro | Unified: dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 22:57.13 | arctic | jethro: do you mean this symlink? deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
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| 22:57.25 | jethro | arctic: it's not called a symlink, but yes |
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| 22:57.39 | antgel_ | Unified: you mean a package that is _in_ debian, or not in debian? |
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| 22:57.48 | arctic | jethro, how is it called? |
| 22:58.01 | thingfish | I used to do the fedora thing. I'm so sick of "I have to have the lastest <whatever>." I just want what works (fedora didn't) and that = sarge. |
| 22:58.03 | jethro | arctic: a sources.list entry I'd say |
| 22:58.10 | Kerr | I mean, what advantages does xorg have? |
| 22:58.21 | jethro | Kerr: better support for ati cards |
| 22:58.22 | Unified | antgel i want to compile the alsa modules which i fetched from the alsa project site |
| 22:58.32 | amphi | Kerr: 3d accel for my laptop's video card |
| 22:58.34 | jethro | Unified: why don't you use alsa-sources ? |
| 22:58.37 | thingfish | technically, it supports more devices I hear. |
| 22:58.38 | antgel_ | Kerr: someone earlier claimed that his windows opened quicker and it was generally better |
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| 22:58.46 | Kerr | jethro: I have a gforce 4. |
| 22:58.46 | arctic | jethro: me too, but an other wants me to believe its a symlink |
| 22:58.56 | thingfish | plus the license. and let's face it, Debian is moving towards it anyway. |
| 22:59.02 | arctic | jethro: after apt-get update -> apt-get upgrade? |
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| 22:59.14 | jethro | Kerr: well some people have an ATI card, and for them, using xorg is better than messing with fglrx |
| 22:59.24 | antgel_ | yes, but most devices not in sarge are pretty bleeding-edge |
| 22:59.25 | jethro | arctic: no, apt-cache policy xlibs, then post it on the pastebin |
| 22:59.30 | Unified | jethro because I (and probably others, for which i want to compile it) need the latest version from it (1.0.10rc1) |
| 22:59.39 | thingfish | I've run both xorg and xfree86 and I'll swear under oath I cannot tell one bit of difference. |
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| 23:00.05 | amphi | thingfish: so no need for you to run xorg |
| 23:00.05 | jethro | thingfish: I'm running xorg, and I confirm there is no noticeable difference, other than driver issues |
| 23:00.08 | antgel_ | thingfish: *nod* debian is the wrong distribution for the bleeding-edge crowd |
| 23:00.14 | Kerr | thingfish: it has what advantages over the license of the debian etch xfree ? |
| 23:00.15 | arctic | jethro: its the same like the old one |
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| 23:00.38 | arctic | jethro: i think i should uncomment the http and ftp debian sources |
| 23:00.44 | thingfish | Kerr: well one presumes it fits in better with FOSS and Debian philosophy. |
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| 23:01.00 | thingfish | antgel I do agree. |
| 23:01.19 | Kerr | thingfish: but if a package is in debian, it already fits? |
| 23:01.21 | streuner | arctic: we told you, use nobse's sarge backport and only official sources |
| 23:01.35 | jethro | arctic: show us your sources.list again |
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| 23:02.12 | arctic | streuner, jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1004 |
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| 23:02.43 | thingfish | Kerr: but there are different degrees of fitting. |
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| 23:03.04 | streuner | arctic: uncomment the lines 4 & 5 |
| 23:03.22 | deepan | does anyone run debian on p3 with 128mb ram |
| 23:03.28 | arctic | streuner: you mean the first 2? |
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| 23:03.38 | antgel_ | deepan: usually i'd call the bot, but yes |
| 23:03.43 | jethro | arctic: http://pastebin.com/354780 you want that |
| 23:03.44 | dli | deepan, I did |
| 23:03.45 | thingfish | Kerr: you'd probably benefit from a good perusing of Debian developer mailing lists. |
| 23:03.54 | drac | deepan: I had one, so? |
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| 23:04.03 | streuner | arctic: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
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| 23:04.15 | deepan | i find it difficult to run sarge.. with p3 and 128mb ram |
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| 23:04.23 | deepan | its very slow |
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| 23:04.34 | antgel_ | deepan: naturally you are using kde or gnome? |
| 23:04.35 | arctic | jethro: done |
| 23:04.39 | deepan | so just worndered if someone hrere can help me |
| 23:04.42 | jethro | arctic: then apt-get update |
| 23:04.45 | deepan | ya i was using gnome |
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| 23:04.52 | dli | deepan, don't use kde or gnome |
| 23:05.03 | deepan | dli: then what do you recommend |
| 23:05.06 | amphi | deepan: try openbox |
| 23:05.08 | dli | deepan, compile a small kernel |
| 23:05.09 | arctic | jethro: yep, and then apt-cache policy xlibs |
| 23:05.13 | antgel_ | deepan: well don't run bloatware on a box like that. it will make no difference to your life |
| 23:05.13 | dli | deepan, icewm |
| 23:05.15 | Kerr | deepan: ran sarge fine on a 266mhz for almost a year, try icewm |
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| 23:05.30 | antgel_ | dli: why are you saying that? the debian kernel is fine, it's modular |
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| 23:05.48 | antgel_ | deepan: if you are not new, try wmaker |
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| 23:05.49 | dli | antgel_, still better, if you can remove more |
| 23:05.57 | antgel_ | dli: no practical difference |
| 23:06.07 | arctic | streuner, jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1005 |
| 23:06.08 | deepan | i will comeagain with debian running .. |
| 23:06.14 | cheal | dpkg: sponsor is a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. see http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-new-maintainer.en.html#s-mentors |
| 23:06.14 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
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| 23:06.25 | deepan | too many suggestions.. just tell me one low power gui |
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| 23:06.34 | amphi | openbox |
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| 23:06.46 | jethro | arctic: you didn't use the sourceS.list file I posted on pastebin.com did you? |
| 23:06.51 | jethro | s/S/s/ |
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| 23:07.13 | arctic | jethro: i do use those three debs, the others are commented |
| 23:07.17 | dli | deepan, I still recommend icewm |
| 23:07.19 | antgel_ | deepan: try them all |
| 23:07.34 | jethro | arctic: http://pastebin.com/354780 use that, and only the 3 lines mentionned there |
| 23:07.37 | antgel_ | deepan: everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home |
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| 23:07.47 | amphi | dli: ;) |
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| 23:08.43 | dli | antgel_, a total lie, everybody thinks about wives but not his own |
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| 23:09.02 | thingfish | hehe dli |
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| 23:09.25 | foomonkey | ls |
| 23:09.38 | jethro | . |
| 23:09.38 | jethro | .. |
| 23:09.46 | paulswm | dli: Not in my case, but that's because I *do* have the prettiest and sweetest :) |
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| 23:10.04 | cheal | trolls/ |
| 23:10.12 | thingfish | guero |
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| 23:10.20 | dli | paulswm, nice to hear that. so, we two can cooperate well |
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| 23:10.32 | paulswm | Have a safe night, all |
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| 23:10.47 | arctic | jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1006 |
| 23:11.16 | jethro | arctic: apt-get install --reinstall install xlibs now |
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| 23:12.25 | arctic | jethro: dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2.dfsg.1-4sarge1_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 23:13.08 | jethro | arctic: post the full message on the pastebin |
| 23:13.20 | dli | is xorg in sarge now? |
| 23:13.21 | arctic | jethro: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1007 |
| 23:13.27 | jethro | dli: not officialy |
| 23:13.28 | streuner | dli: no |
| 23:13.30 | jethro | !xorg sarge |
| 23:13.31 | dpkg | methinks xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 23:13.40 | jethro | arctic: notice the _use at your own risk_ ;) |
| 23:13.48 | bongzilla | how can i find what soundcard i have? |
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| 23:14.06 | bongzilla | what should i do? |
| 23:14.07 | streuner | bongzilla: lspci -v | grep -i audio |
| 23:14.12 | bongzilla | what command |
| 23:14.13 | bongzilla | thanks |
| 23:14.15 | bongzilla | for a while |
| 23:14.24 | arctic | jethro: it wont install |
| 23:15.07 | bongzilla | how will i install my sound card thru apt-get? |
| 23:15.15 | jim | bongzilla: it might be a good thing for you to check the man page to see what those commands do (here, you are safe: they both only read things, they change nothing... but!! you should be SURE when given commands to run.) |
| 23:15.16 | jethro | bongzilla: you don't |
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| 23:15.32 | bongzilla | jim you're not so helpful |
| 23:15.39 | bongzilla | this is my 1st time to use GUI |
| 23:15.40 | jim | I'm not? |
| 23:15.52 | arctic | jethro: but its queer that /rules/xfree /rules/xorg are the same files |
| 23:15.52 | bongzilla | yah |
| 23:15.56 | bongzilla | you're not |
| 23:16.01 | jim | I don't see it that way... |
| 23:16.02 | bongzilla | others here are helpful |
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| 23:16.09 | bongzilla | you should use BSD |
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| 23:16.20 | hever | hello ther I'm in trouble with a simple crontab entry. I used crontab -e to make the entry and typed in * * * * * username command but the command is not executed... |
| 23:16.35 | jim | the way I see it, is it's helpful to encourage people to understand what they're doing... |
| 23:16.39 | vorlon | hever: user crontabs don't have a "username" field |
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| 23:16.40 | arctic | jethro: did i took the false link for xorg? |
| 23:16.45 | hever | ooh |
| 23:16.47 | hever | :) |
| 23:16.50 | hever | thanks |
| 23:16.51 | ke6isf | hever: OK, what are the symptoms of the problem.? What do your output emails say? |
| 23:17.01 | bongzilla | how will i install my sound card in the easiest way guys? |
| 23:17.07 | dli | what's the best choice for a dell laptop keyboard? PC101 or PC105 |
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| 23:17.20 | bongzilla | 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 23:17.40 | jethro | arctic: no you didn't. |
| 23:17.46 | jim | bongzilla: there are two possibilities for drivers, alsa and oss... oss is in the process of being removed from the kernel |
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| 23:18.03 | arctic | jethro: but? |
| 23:18.08 | bongzilla | dont talk, you just forcing yourself |
| 23:18.13 | streuner | arctic: try that, mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/xlibs.* /tmp |
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| 23:18.40 | streuner | arctic: run 'apt-get -f install' |
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| 23:19.29 | jim | bongzilla: so, maybe you should look into alsa... and find out -exactly- what sound -chipset- you have, so that an appropriate driver can be found |
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| 23:19.45 | arctic | streuner: now he installed it |
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| 23:20.09 | streuner | artic: now, mv /tmp/xlibs.* /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 23:20.10 | bongzilla | shutup jim, cry baby |
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| 23:20.25 | jim | !ops bongzilla troll |
| 23:20.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: bongzilla troll |
| 23:20.40 | hever | vorlon: but it still does nothing... the crontab entry is now without the username |
| 23:20.50 | hever | and tabs between the stars and the command |
| 23:21.00 | arctic | streuner: xlibs is installed, but the error message goes on :/ |
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| 23:21.07 | hever | ke6isf: How can i read them ? |
| 23:21.11 | hever | on shell ? |
| 23:21.23 | mentor | hmmm... |
| 23:21.38 | vorlon | hever: hmm, dunno about that, then. |
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| 23:22.02 | streuner | arctic: ok, the package is installed? what does 'dpkg -l xlibs ' say? (only the version? |
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| 23:22.28 | azahid | i am new to mepis, how can i upgrade from 3.3 to 3.3.2? I tried to use apt simplymepis metapackage but getting W: Failed to fetch http://apt.mepis.org/3.3/pool/main/mepis-oscenter/mepis-oscenter_3.3.1-1.deb error. Can somebody please help me? |
| 23:22.29 | mentor | bongzilla: The way you are conversing with people is probably not coducive to them helping you. |
| 23:22.36 | arctic | streuner: ii xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 X Keyboard Extension (XKB) configuration dat |
| 23:22.40 | streuner | azahid: #mepis |
| 23:22.45 | streuner | argh |
| 23:22.54 | jethro | azahid: mepis isn't supported in #debian, you probably want to /join #mepis |
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| 23:23.17 | azahid | sorry |
| 23:23.19 | jim | mentorL hi; thank you. |
| 23:23.48 | arctic | streuner, jethro: can we try it tommorrow again, because i'm very tired ? |
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| 23:23.59 | jethro | arctic: of course |
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| 23:24.11 | jethro | arctic: I'll be sleeping in half an hour too : |
| 23:24.12 | jethro | :) |
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| 23:24.21 | amphi | arctic: FWIW, I have 'xlibs 6.8.2.dfsg.1-4sarge1 X Window System client libraries metapackage and XKB data' here, having installed xorg |
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| 23:24.52 | arctic | streuner, jethro: super, hehe :) ... so i thx you a lot!! and i wish you a good night |
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| 23:24.56 | jethro | arctic: what you could try first is to remove all xfree/xorg related packages from your system, and start over |
| 23:25.08 | jethro | arctic: have a good night too! |
| 23:25.35 | arctic | jethro: you mean to delete xserver-xorg? |
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| 23:25.50 | jethro | arctic: no I mean remove the packages. but you'll do that tomorrow, go to bed ;) |
| 23:26.06 | arctic | jethro: which packages do you mean? |
| 23:26.24 | jethro | arctic: everything that is related to either xorg or xfree |
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| 23:26.42 | arctic | jethro: we do that tomorrow then ;) ... so good night |
| 23:26.44 | jethro | arctic: anyhow, I'm not going to help you do this now, I'm kind of tired as well :) |
| 23:26.52 | jethro | arctic: thank you |
| 23:27.00 | jim | I'm trying to determine a problem with my mail client/imap setup, the problem is when I send a mail with sylpheed, it sends the mail but gets an error when trying to copy to local sentmail folder... I'm running courier imapd, if that's important... where can I go from here to figure out what the problem might be? |
| 23:27.26 | Guerin | jim: local == not remote |
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| 23:27.43 | Guerin | jim: meaning that your imapd shouldn't be an issue |
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| 23:28.34 | jim | Guerin: the imapd is on a machine beside me ("orie") and the client is on the one in front of me ("dual") |
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| 23:29.32 | jim | this is a side issue, but I might be interested in using a folder on orie as sent mail |
| 23:29.46 | jim | is there a sylpheed log? |
| 23:30.09 | jethro | jim: that's sylpheed, or sylpheed-claws? |
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| 23:30.40 | jim | hmm, it might be claws... I can give you the package name and version; one sec |
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| 23:31.56 | xnet | does anyone have any idea why my costum shortcuts don't work? |
| 23:31.59 | js_ | if i got a ramdisk (like tmpfs), does that mean that the ram is reserved forthat ramdisk and wont be usable by other devices? |
| 23:32.07 | jim | Package: sylpheed Version: 1.0.4-1 on a sarge |
| 23:32.38 | jim | xnet: "anyone" might need more details :P |
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| 23:33.18 | xnet | jim: i just set my xterm to open with alt |
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| 23:33.25 | xnet | and A |
| 23:33.37 | coreyo | none of my kernel images with initrd (including the stock debian kernels) will boot. Compiling FS/SATA controller support in and booting the kernel correctly boots just fine. The error message is something about (DEVFS, unkown filesystem type), then it fails to open /dev/console. All of my static /dev nodes are obviously there, if I can boot a non initrd image. Any ideas? |
| 23:33.43 | xnet | i dont know what to tell you |
| 23:33.56 | coreyo | %s/correctly/directly |
| 23:34.12 | emRick | is there a way to trigger mouse movement and button preses through a script? |
| 23:34.19 | emRick | in particular, in kde |
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| 23:35.02 | jim | coreyo: that implies there is something in the static kernel that is missing, but is provided, in the initrd image... that is, there is something missing that is needed to mount / partition |
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| 23:35.17 | Sano | hi |
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| 23:38.06 | jethro | jim: I think if you use imap, you can't save locally. the sent messages can be stored, but your outbox is relative to the mailbox as per my understanding. so if your mailbox is on a remote imapd, you can't save locally |
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| 23:39.18 | jethro | anyways, good night #debian |
| 23:39.19 | jim | jethro: erk, phone call :) |
| 23:39.23 | spdf | Hey fellas.. if memtest86 won't even load, is it safe to say the stick of ram in there is bad? :) |
| 23:39.23 | jim | nite |
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| 23:40.01 | Sano | sorry to ask this here, but i could'n find a bug report. collection manager in amarok 1.3 (sid) doesn't work anymore since an upgrade. i think it's due to sqlite, but there are no log output. does someone have a clue? |
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| 23:41.17 | coreyo | jim: All of these kernels worked, then suddenly stopped. Why would the stock debian kernels suddenly not be able to boot my hardware? The static kernel works just fine. |
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| 23:44.14 | Guerin | jim: irrelevant |
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| 23:44.40 | jim | which? (still on phone btw) |
| 23:45.00 | Guerin | < jim> Guerin: the imapd is on a machine beside me ("orie") and the client is on the one in front of me ("dual") |
| 23:45.07 | jim | ok |
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| 23:45.41 | coreyo | in order for an initrd/cramfs image to boot, is there something specifically that is needed outside of the cramfs initrd image? |
| 23:45.53 | coreyo | besides the actual kernel itself |
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| 23:46.11 | bongzilla | how can i install java in debian sarge? |
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| 23:46.28 | jim | !install java |
| 23:46.28 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
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| 23:46.48 | green_earz | bongzilla: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 23:48.14 | robertbb | I have a working FAT32 partition that is able to be seen/read by Windows and GNU/Linux. However, under GNU/Linux, it is only able to be written to by user root (despite the ownership of the directory to which it is mounted being robertbb:robertbb). |
| 23:48.20 | robertbb | Permissions are also 777 |
| 23:48.22 | Kerr | bongzilla: google blackdown java |
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| 23:49.12 | Kerr | !blackdown |
| 23:49.12 | dpkg | blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or shit, use java-package |
| 23:49.28 | moreon | chris kerr |
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| 23:50.07 | Guerin | blackdown java might have been good once, but it's just as non-free as sun now, and not as good |
| 23:50.08 | Kerr | moreon: eh? |
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| 23:50.13 | moreon | nothing :P |
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| 23:51.28 | Kerr | if someone's even asking about bd java here, they obviously don't know enough to care about the license. |
| 23:51.34 | Kerr | -bd |
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| 23:54.18 | badcoder | i cannot bind a process to a socket in debian ,what config file im missing editing? |
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| 23:55.56 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:56.06 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:56.10 | newbie_ | Installing Debian and getting "No hard disk drives could be found" ... any idea why? The scsi drive shows up in the initial boot seq. |
| 23:56.11 | abrotman | it's quiet tonight ... |
| 23:56.14 | steelhoof | wat is a "better |
| 23:56.16 | abrotman | newbie_: sata ? |
| 23:56.23 | abrotman | steelhoof: ? |
| 23:56.25 | newbie_ | dunno what that means, abrot. |
| 23:56.28 | steelhoof | " ftp server these days? |
| 23:56.33 | abrotman | proftpd or vsftpd |
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| 23:56.38 | Zedman | hello. I am using sarge with gnome. I have just a really short question. It would be finde if someboy help me. I want to erase the games-entry in menu because it is twice there. How can I erase the entry? |
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| 23:56.52 | abrotman | update-menus |
| 23:57.01 | abrotman | newbie_: it's not loading the driver again? |
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| 23:57.38 | Zedman | abrotman: I did it. But how I can delete the entry in the menu so there is no games-entry anymore? |
| 23:57.39 | newbie_ | abrotman: I'm just starting a fresh install. |
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| 23:57.54 | newbie_ | abrotman: and it's telling me no hard disks are found. |
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| 23:58.35 | newbie_ | abrotman: says "Select "Alternate" instead if you need to load essential modules from a floppy to make the hard disk drives visible." |
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| 23:58.57 | newbie_ | abrotman: [how] do I do that? |
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| 23:59.51 | pa_rado_x | the guide says: "For new users, ... a single / partition (plus swap) is probably the easiest...." |
| 23:59.57 | pa_rado_x | does that mean 2 or 1 partiotions |
