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| 00:00.45 | alvanson | (hd0)/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
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| 00:01.39 | hacim | alvanson: yeah, i see a couple bug reports related to this |
| 00:02.05 | hacim | #284266, and 212538 |
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| 00:02.44 | nono31 | vfat had recent updates in sid (2.6.11)??? because it regulary have FAT: Filesystem panic ... And I guess it is not dued to my disc, it is doing this at work (brand new disc), at home. And not on all partitions of the disc (e.g. /hda1 is having problen but hda2 is not have any problem)... weird things are going on... :-/ |
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| 00:02.49 | mroh | pedro_, you need to make a filesystem after format, something like mkdosfs |
| 00:02.49 | alvanson | well, hopefully it's installed properly now |
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| 00:03.06 | hacim | alvanson: did you get it? |
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| 00:03.39 | epsilon | anyone familier with proftpd? is mod_quotatab to limit transfer per session, or to limit total disk usage per owner? |
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| 00:04.05 | alvanson | hacim: yeah, it said that it installed successfully |
| 00:04.58 | pedro_ | roh, hm im afraid i dont know how to do that :P im totally newbie in linux |
| 00:05.05 | hacim | alvanson: #212538 has a workaround (hand-editting device.map) |
| 00:05.06 | Guerin | nono31: still working normally for me; note however that I only use it for cf, not filesystems mounted for any extended length of time |
| 00:05.24 | pedro_ | mroh * sorry |
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| 00:06.14 | nono31 | Guerin: using quite extensively... but I'll make a fresh new install in a fresh new computer (except discs) and All will be xfs :-) |
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| 00:07.03 | Guerin | nono31: hope you have redundant power |
| 00:07.05 | nono31 | someone can tell me quickly what I need to download for my new AMD64? (pure64 or amd64) |
| 00:07.21 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 00:07.21 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 00:07.21 | nono31 | Guerin: redundant power... why? |
| 00:07.47 | Guerin | nono31: because xfs is known to lose data if the machine is powered off without warning |
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| 00:08.33 | mroh | pedro_, just do a "mkdosfs /dev/fd0" after format |
| 00:10.46 | slidesinger | Linux kernel ---- make oldconfig Copy the config file from /boot to .config in linux directory? |
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| 00:11.30 | Guerin | slidesinger: yes. |
| 00:11.36 | slidesinger | thank you |
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| 00:13.02 | DashAway_ | if i download only the 1st CD of debian 3.1 r0a, will i be able to install only the base system? |
| 00:13.17 | green_earz | slidesinger: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-compile > 7.1.1 Debian standard method |
| 00:13.23 | dondelelcaro | DashAway_: no, you'll be able to install everything if you've got network. |
| 00:13.37 | slidesinger | green_earz: TY |
| 00:13.42 | dondelelcaro | DashAway_: otherwise, just the things that are on first cd (which is quite a bit) |
| 00:13.43 | green_earz | np |
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| 00:14.20 | DashAway_ | dondelelcaro: arent the things in the 1st CD enough to run and update/upgrade debian with apt-get? |
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| 00:14.55 | DashAway_ | i mean the things here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 00:15.09 | AlinuxOS | hello guys , I've installed breezy and hoary on 2 differente partitions, how can I configure grub to boot both OS? thank yuo |
| 00:15.16 | Guerin | DashAway_: sure they are. |
| 00:15.19 | LightVision | how can I integrate Ark into the Konq right click mouse ? |
| 00:15.30 | Guerin | LightVision: ask #kde or #debian-kde |
| 00:15.38 | LightVision | Guerin: k |
| 00:15.53 | DashAway_ | Guerin:Thanks, im asking becouse when i installed FC4 i needed all of the 4 CDs |
| 00:16.20 | Guerin | DashAway_: haha. In debian you need a 32MB mini-iso |
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| 00:16.35 | Guerin | DashAway_: even CD1 is a bit superfluous unless you have slow internet |
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| 00:16.55 | nono31 | Guerin: really... happened to me at work (powered off without warning) didn't loose a thing |
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| 00:17.05 | Guerin | nono31: once. |
| 00:17.06 | jvw | DashAway_: get the netinst if you want the bare minimum needed so you can apt-get the rest via the internet |
| 00:17.39 | DashAway_ | jvw: i cant install with the netcd, becouse it gives me an error with my ethernet card |
| 00:17.47 | kurumin | Someone help! After I installed my debian distro all the data from a Vfat partition got lost! How do I proceed? |
| 00:17.47 | LightVision | Guerin: How can I install Konq integration plugin from the kdeaddons package? |
| 00:17.49 | Goran_ | anybody knowing how to use sata with linux? (there are 2 ide channels also) |
| 00:17.50 | nono31 | Guerin: 10-15 times? |
| 00:18.02 | green_earz | LightVision: its on the right click and open with option for ark |
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| 00:18.08 | reuq | I have a ./configure script that cannot find a library, even though its exists as a symbolic link to another library (libkonnector.so -> libkonnector.so.0.0.0) and the directory its in is in /etc/ld.so.conf. Whats the problem? |
| 00:18.13 | jvw | DashAway_: hm, don't get your opes up for cd1 then, but you can try |
| 00:18.16 | Guerin | nono31: i guess you're lucky, then. Google around for xfs data loss horror stories. |
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| 00:18.17 | jvw | hopes |
| 00:18.24 | Guerin | DashAway_: what NIC? |
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| 00:18.43 | DashAway_ | Guerin: nVidia |
| 00:19.18 | LightVision | green_earz: ok and do I need to "apt-get install konq-plugins" ? |
| 00:19.26 | Guerin | DashAway_: forcedeth? |
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| 00:19.32 | DashAway_ | Guerin: yeah |
| 00:19.40 | green_earz | LightVision: not for the ark option |
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| 00:20.09 | Guerin | DashAway_: which kernel did you install with? |
| 00:20.10 | mroh | reuq, if the directory is a new one in the ld.so.conf you need to run ldconfig |
| 00:20.28 | LightVision | green_earz: I see Ark, but if I chose lots of files to compress, no Ark is showing |
| 00:20.33 | reuq | mroh: it isn't new and i ran ldconfig |
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| 00:21.12 | ma3x | how can i make crontab execute command every 3 hours? |
| 00:21.14 | DashAway_ | Guerin: what do you mean, i downloaded the netinst, buned it to a CD, and runned it, when it asks for my NIC i choose forcedeth, and i get a error |
| 00:21.15 | DB7654321 | Are there any applications available on debian to create pdf files from a series of image files? |
| 00:21.16 | reuq | mroh: and ldconfig -v | grep libkonnector.so gives only: libkonnector.so.0 -> libkonnector.so.0.0.0 |
| 00:21.16 | green_earz | LightVision: ctrl+a in the dir and then ark |
| 00:21.28 | LightVision | ma3x: man contrab |
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| 00:21.36 | ma3x | LightVision, its not listed there |
| 00:21.59 | LightVision | green_earz: yes but when I do that, Ark is not available |
| 00:22.04 | carrett | hi. i'm trying to set up an nfs server. the client mounted my share fine, but when it tries to access the mount point it's getting permission denied...help? |
| 00:22.08 | LightVision | green_earz: apt-get install konq-plugins |
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| 00:22.40 | mwilson | carrett: Set the permissions approriately? |
| 00:22.41 | green_earz | LightVision: sorry i do not know about konq-plugins ? |
| 00:22.47 | LightVision | green_earz: im installing atm konq-plugins. that should do it |
| 00:23.00 | LightVision | green_earz: the command im using is: "apt-get install konq-plugins" |
| 00:23.03 | mroh | reuq, maybe configure is looking for the header files of that lib? |
| 00:23.10 | carrett | mwilson: the mountpoint is owned and writeable/readable by the client if that's what you're asking... |
| 00:23.47 | reuq | mroh, now that could be it |
| 00:23.51 | mwilson | carrett: NFS cares about UID, not name. |
| 00:23.56 | reuq | mroh, thank you |
| 00:24.19 | LightVision | green_earz: do you have already konq-plugins installed? |
| 00:24.19 | Hamled | is the subversion package also the server? |
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| 00:24.34 | ma3x | what line do i need to make crontab execute /usr/bin/testscript every 3 hours? |
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| 00:24.47 | carrett | mwilson: ok. i need some help then, do i set a uid in /etc/exports on the server? ... what am i probably missing? |
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| 00:26.16 | green_earz | LightVision: i just done a aptitude show konq-plugins > and by the look of things you will have lots of goodie on konquor then |
| 00:26.21 | LightVision | ma3x: thats a tough one, I havent worked out all that eiuther |
| 00:26.36 | ma3x | LightVision, well not everything is light version |
| 00:26.38 | mwilson | carrett: Either give the UID of the client rights, tell NFS that rights don't matter, or step on the permissions and make it rwx for everyone. |
| 00:26.38 | ke6isf | ma3x: 0 0,3,6,9,12,15,18,21 * * * /usr/bin/testscript |
| 00:26.43 | LightVision | green_earz: its 3mb worth downloading |
| 00:26.56 | ke6isf | ma3x: source: 'man 5 crontab' |
| 00:27.07 | LightVision | green_earz: is it possible to change aptitude screen from black background? |
| 00:27.14 | ke6isf | ma3x: Correction, that longer field should be '0-23/3'. |
| 00:27.17 | carrett | mwilson: ok, and i do that in /etc/exports on the server right? |
| 00:27.25 | tonsofpcs | can someone walk me through an installation of Debian Woody on a DEC Alpha? |
| 00:27.35 | mwilson | carrett: The second one you would. |
| 00:27.44 | pedro_ | mroh, it works when i format it again as root. hm when i use gfloppy to format it as $ then it works fine.. is that the way it should be? |
| 00:27.51 | green_earz | LightVision: you can use aptitude striaght from the command line like apt-get |
| 00:27.54 | ma3x | ke6isf, thanks a lot mate! |
| 00:28.00 | LightVision | tonsofpcs: is potato any good? |
| 00:28.03 | ke6isf | ma3x: No problemo. |
| 00:28.07 | LightVision | green_earz: ah ok i didnt know that |
| 00:28.07 | AlinuxOS | hello guys , I've installed breezy and hoary on 2 differente partitions, how can I configure grub to boot both OS? |
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| 00:28.17 | green_earz | LightVision: aptitude update apt-get update |
| 00:28.27 | DoppelGanger | AlinuxOS: /j #ubuntu |
| 00:28.32 | resiak | AlinuxOS: #ubuntu is that way -----> |
| 00:28.36 | LightVision | ma3x: they say mate in switzerland? :) |
| 00:28.43 | mwilson | AlinuxOS: Neither of those is Debian. |
| 00:28.48 | LightVision | green_earz: thanks |
| 00:28.59 | mroh | pedro_, yep, should be ok ;) |
| 00:29.11 | resiak | AlinuxOS: You'll want to edit your menu.list though. Read the Grub docs. |
| 00:29.16 | ma3x | LightVision, translated is 'kumpel' |
| 00:29.21 | ma3x | LightVision, but they dont use it |
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| 00:29.48 | LightVision | ma3x: :) |
| 00:29.48 | AlinuxOS | DoppelGanger, resiak , Ubuntu it's always Debian. |
| 00:29.48 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 00:29.48 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 00:29.49 | AlinuxOS | Simple Debian. |
| 00:29.50 | resiak | AlinuxOS: No, it's not. |
| 00:29.57 | resiak | !tell AlinuxOS -about based on debian |
| 00:29.58 | Gathond | AlinuxOS: no, its an altered debian unstable snapshot |
| 00:30.00 | mwilson | AlinuxOS: Uh, no, Ubuntu is never Debian. |
| 00:30.01 | reuq | mroh, i dont think its looking for its header file, because the error its giving is: "configure: error: Can't find libkonnector.so" and its header file exists in "/opt/kde/include/kitchensync" |
| 00:30.02 | DoppelGanger | AlinuxOS: tht doesn't mean we have to answer yourrtfm question |
| 00:30.08 | ma3x | LightVision, what they say in your country? |
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| 00:30.24 | LightVision | ma3x: mate |
| 00:30.30 | pedro_ | mroh, so only root can format floppy using comands? |
| 00:30.41 | ma3x | LightVision, you american? |
| 00:30.47 | AlinuxOS | :) Debian supporters always respond to newbies = rtfm, and that sucks ... |
| 00:30.48 | AlinuxOS | eh |
| 00:31.13 | mwilson | AlinuxOS: What does that have to do with your asking Ubuntu questions in #debian? |
| 00:31.14 | resiak | AlinuxOS: No, it's not. The answer is _in_ _the_ _manual_. Anyway, you're not using Debian, so... |
| 00:31.16 | mroh | pedro_, yes, take a look at "ls -l /dev/fd0" |
| 00:31.17 | AlinuxOS | almost always :) someone is holly :) sometimes. |
| 00:31.33 | DoppelGanger | AlinuxOS: tough go file a complaint |
| 00:31.36 | mwilson | Someone is a bush? |
| 00:31.38 | resiak | Hahah |
| 00:31.39 | host` | where can I post info about how I got my wlan adapter running in debian? |
| 00:31.43 | phrontist | is there a digital clock program included with X? |
| 00:31.45 | green_earz | LightVision: aptitude i think as a better search display. > example > aptitude search kerenl-image > apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 00:31.46 | covux | hi. iam using KMilo service in kde for controlling volume of kmix via XF86Audio keys of the keyboard and XF86Audio Keys Control plugin for xmms controlling. after updating to kde 3.4 KMilo kinda blocks the key-commands i wanna sent to xmms. is there a way to circumvent KMilo? thanks for any help |
| 00:31.59 | phrontist | I just need a clock with seconds... command line maybe? |
| 00:32.15 | mwilson | phrontist: man xclock |
| 00:32.16 | Caelum | phrontist: date |
| 00:32.18 | green_earz | LightVision: sorry aptitude search kernel-image |
| 00:32.19 | Guerin | phrontist: screen can do that |
| 00:32.24 | Gathond | AlinuxOS: do you really expect that out of 572 people there wont be someone giving you something you consider a useless suggestion? |
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| 00:32.31 | resiak | AlinuxOS: Basically, clone the lines in your menu.list, replacing the partition labels (hdx,y) as appropriate and the root=/dev/foo bits. But READ THE MANUAL |
| 00:32.36 | LightVision | ma3x: from Australia |
| 00:32.58 | ma3x | haha tell oen |
| 00:32.59 | AlinuxOS | resiak, thank yuo. |
| 00:32.59 | LightVision | Guerin: good :) |
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| 00:33.17 | pedro_ | mroh, ok thx :) |
| 00:33.18 | h3xis | i'm at the point of getting ready to edit my grub.conf (just compiled new kernel). can anyone tell me what an initrd image is and do i need it? |
| 00:33.28 | ma3x | i bet Guerin doesn't know any kangaroo jokes :p |
| 00:33.36 | resiak | ma3x: He's a Kiwi. He does. |
| 00:33.49 | Guerin | heh |
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| 00:33.57 | ma3x | Guerin, Guerin Guerin !!! |
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| 00:34.00 | ma3x | go go go |
| 00:34.07 | mwilson | h3xis: You're building kernels and don't know the answer to that? |
| 00:34.08 | Guerin | ... |
| 00:34.16 | ma3x | you see, he doesn't know any |
| 00:34.21 | ma3x | or he's too shy |
| 00:34.21 | h3xis | mwilson, first time :) |
| 00:34.27 | Gathond | h3xis: wether you need it or not depends entirely upon your setup :), its an initial RAM disk that the kernel mounts so it can do some stuff before mounting the / partition (load modules and such) so you need it IF your kernel cannot mount / using only the build in drivers |
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| 00:34.39 | mwilson | h3xis: And my question still stands. |
| 00:34.44 | green_earz | h3xis: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-compile > Debian Reference - The Linux kernel under Debian |
| 00:34.48 | tonsofpcs | LightVision - huh? |
| 00:35.06 | Gathond | h3xis: mwilson has a point though, If you dont know, perhaps you are better of with using a prebuild kernel or perhaps reading a bit more about kernel compiling somewhere |
| 00:35.28 | h3xis | ok |
| 00:35.33 | resiak | h3xis: Or indeed apt-get install debian-reference-en (or your language code rather than -en if English is not your first language and d-r has been translated into your language) |
| 00:35.45 | LightVision | green_earz: konq-plugins worked! Now ARK works as right click on Konq :) |
| 00:35.58 | ma3x | how do you set the default browser in the console? |
| 00:36.00 | green_earz | LightVision: nice one |
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| 00:36.21 | LightVision | green_earz: :) |
| 00:36.40 | jcurry | ma3x, try apt-get install galternatives for a nice gui config tool |
| 00:36.56 | ma3x | thanks for the hint jcurry |
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| 00:37.03 | jcurry | ma3x, i think there is also a command-line tool, but i never figured it out |
| 00:37.08 | jcurry | ma3x, sure |
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| 00:37.21 | green_earz | LightVision: check out a search with aptitude and apt-cache and see the differance > aptitude search kernel-image > apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 00:37.42 | LightVision | ok |
| 00:37.53 | Caelum | thank god for #debian, where else do you find IRC action on a sunday night :) |
| 00:38.15 | LightVision | green_earz: what about it? |
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| 00:38.23 | resiak | Actually, this appears to be a fairly sane Sunday. |
| 00:38.28 | LightVision | Caelum: which God? |
| 00:38.28 | resiak | Oh wait, it's Monday. |
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| 00:38.40 | dondelelcaro | resiak: and in some cases, even tuesday... |
| 00:38.42 | Agrajag- | wtf is it still sunday? |
| 00:38.44 | resiak | Oh wait, it's Tuesday |
| 00:38.46 | resiak | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 00:38.47 | green_earz | LightVision: the aptitude display it better veiw |
| 00:38.47 | LightVision | green_earz: I did those commands, how come? |
| 00:38.48 | ma3x | is there a nice gui ftp client? |
| 00:38.50 | Caelum | LightVision: Loki |
| 00:38.53 | LightVision | green_earz: ah ok |
| 00:39.07 | LightVision | Caelum: you wont believe me, but I was in the movie Son of the Maskj |
| 00:39.08 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: it's labor day in the US, which is why some people may be confused... |
| 00:39.08 | resiak | ma3x: apt-cache search ftp |
| 00:39.19 | Caelum | LightVision: heh cool |
| 00:39.20 | ma3x | i know that |
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| 00:39.25 | EfaistOs | do u know if it's possible to export evolution mailbox format to mailbox by example ? |
| 00:39.26 | ma3x | i asked if you know a nice one |
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| 00:39.33 | Caelum | oh damn, it is monday, blah |
| 00:39.36 | Damm | attempting to build KDE stuff and i've noticed that everything still says checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 |
| 00:39.39 | Damm | even with gcc 4 |
| 00:39.41 | Damm | :/ |
| 00:39.43 | Caelum | that's what happens when you don't have a brain |
| 00:39.52 | Guerin | !wayc Damm |
| 00:39.53 | dpkg | Damm: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:39.55 | resiak | ma3x: People swear by gftp. But why not try a few. |
| 00:39.58 | Caelum | Damm: you can fix it in configure.ac or something |
| 00:40.06 | Damm | ah |
| 00:40.13 | green_earz | LightVision: if you are looking for packages you want aptitude search and then aptitude show package-name |
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| 00:40.20 | Damm | kind of annoying me as it was hard to get baghira to work right. |
| 00:40.37 | LightVision | green_earz: so aptitude is same as apt-get, just better? :P |
| 00:40.51 | green_earz | yes |
| 00:40.56 | Caelum | oh, no wonder IRC is empty, it's labor day |
| 00:40.58 | LightVision | green_earz: or is aptitude a front end for apt-get? |
| 00:41.07 | mwilson | LightVision: No and no. |
| 00:41.12 | Guerin | !tell LightVision about aptitude |
| 00:41.26 | tonsofpcs | LightVision - yea, people are pretending they have lives |
| 00:41.27 | green_earz | LightVision: both front ends to dpkg |
| 00:41.33 | Caelum | I dunno, I like apt-cache search, apt-cache info and apt-get |
| 00:41.33 | mwilson | LightVision: Nothing is a front-end for apt-get, itself is a front-end to libapt. |
| 00:41.47 | phrontist | with command line ftp, how do I transfer a directory and all it's subdirs recursively? |
| 00:41.51 | ma3x | resiak, swear = curse, cause it's bad, or swear to use only gftp? |
| 00:41.54 | resiak | phrontist: man lftp |
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| 00:41.56 | mwilson | As are synaptic, aptitude, dselect, and all the others. |
| 00:41.58 | resiak | ma3x: The latter. |
| 00:42.00 | EfaistOs | do u know if it's possible to export evolution format to mailbox by example ? |
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| 00:42.16 | ma3x | oki |
| 00:42.16 | LightVision | Guerin: that website that dpkg gives for aptitude is broken! who can update the bot? |
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| 00:42.18 | Guerin | EfaistOs: since evolution stores mail in mbox format, yes. |
| 00:42.20 | Caelum | phrontist: use lftp or ncftp, also mirror, wget and lynx work |
| 00:42.23 | LightVision | mwilson: I get it |
| 00:42.24 | Guerin | LightVision: anyone |
| 00:42.33 | reuq | how do you install a library? |
| 00:42.37 | phrontist | but can it be done with ftp? |
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| 00:42.43 | phrontist | (the standard ftp command) |
| 00:42.49 | resiak | phrontist: It probably can't be. |
| 00:42.50 | Caelum | phrontist: regular ftp? no |
| 00:42.56 | ma3x | resiak, grave bugs of gftp-gtk (-> 2.0.18-10) <done> #323874 - gftp-gtk: Crashes on disconnect Merged with: 324912 |
| 00:43.11 | Caelum | reuq: to compile with? apt-get install libwhatever-dev |
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| 00:43.15 | resiak | ma3x: I didn't say _I_ use it. I use lftp (or Nautilus). |
| 00:43.35 | phrontist | okay, how do I wget a directory and all it's subdirs recursively? |
| 00:43.45 | Caelum | phrontist: read the man page |
| 00:43.49 | reuq | caelum, no a library you compiled |
| 00:44.02 | ke6isf | phrontist: wget --help | grep recurs |
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| 00:44.03 | resiak | phrontist: Just use lftp's mirror command .... |
| 00:44.24 | Caelum | reuq: if you absolutely have to install your own library, then ./configure --prefix=/usr/local; make; make install |
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| 00:44.41 | ma3x | resiak, did you recommend me apt-listbugs, anyway? |
| 00:44.58 | resiak | ma3x: I don't know, but it's always pleasing to see someone using it. |
| 00:45.10 | green_earz | LightVision: another use full command is " dpkg -l | less " to see whats install on the box |
| 00:45.21 | rainmaker | how hard is debian to someone who has only used fedora? |
| 00:45.27 | reuq | caelum, i mean once you've complied a library file , how do you install that specific library file? |
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| 00:45.56 | Guerin | that's weird; lists.d.o links dying |
| 00:46.04 | nomed^ | hi all .. |
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| 00:46.11 | abrotman | no .. no cat food |
| 00:46.30 | Caelum | reuq: put it into /usr/local/lib, edit /etc/ld.so.conf and make sure /usr/local/lib is in there |
| 00:46.35 | LightVision | green_earz: when I do "apt-get upgrade" it works fine! But when I do "aptitude upgrade" it says 0 files to install, but wants to remove 12 packages, including my kppp etc! Whats up? |
| 00:46.46 | Caelum | reuq: usually you want to use "make install" |
| 00:47.09 | nomed^ | i'm trying to enable php in monkeyd ... monkeyd is an http daemon and i compiled it because it doesn't exist a deb package .. |
| 00:47.21 | reuq | caelum i have a symbolic link to a library that for some reason cannot be detected by a configure script |
| 00:47.21 | lucifer4u | how big in gigabytes is debian mirror ? And how big is everyday update in Megabytes ? Please help me about it ... |
| 00:47.29 | ma3x | this gftp is real crap |
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| 00:47.38 | phrontist | okay, I have lftp, what was that about a mirror command? I breifly RTFM'd and saw nothing relevant |
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| 00:47.58 | green_earz | LightVision: use apt-get then for that job sounds safer |
| 00:48.01 | sigma957 | 2 |
| 00:48.02 | Guerin | lucifer4u: ~8G per branch, per arch; same again for source. Daily update size is variable. |
| 00:48.11 | green_earz | LightVision: ????? |
| 00:48.27 | LightVision | green_earz: yeah I will :P for aptitude wants to remove kppp and kde for some weird reason :P |
| 00:48.30 | ma3x | resiak, if you're in a directory with 3 directories, how do you get all of them? using get * -R ? |
| 00:48.44 | phrontist | ah, nevermind, got it |
| 00:48.46 | LightVision | green_earz: why would aptitude want to do that? |
| 00:48.46 | nomed^ | it needs the path to bin/php , interpreter to process the PHP files,... do you know where i can find it? |
| 00:49.05 | lucifer4u | Guerin, how much i would need to update a mirror for a month ? in a middle not exactly .. i know that it depends |
| 00:49.11 | green_earz | LightVision: sorry i do not know why |
| 00:49.15 | kurumin | How do I recover data lost after formating a vfat partition? |
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| 00:49.24 | LightVision | green_earz: does apt-get and aptitude refer to the same sources.list? |
| 00:49.34 | LightVision | green_earz: yeah weird |
| 00:49.36 | kurumin | somehow, all my data got erased ... |
| 00:49.43 | green_earz | LightVision: yes |
| 00:49.44 | LightVision | kurumin: somehow? |
| 00:49.56 | LightVision | green_earz: are you using Sarge? |
| 00:50.01 | ke6isf | kurumin: Formatting is, unto itself, pretty much destructive to data. Hope you had a backup. |
| 00:50.01 | green_earz | yes |
| 00:50.16 | kurumin | I didn't,... so... I'm desperate. |
| 00:50.25 | LightVision | green_earz: can you paste me your whole sources.list? I just want to compare my with yours pls |
| 00:50.27 | ke6isf | kurumin: What did you format it to? |
| 00:50.44 | kurumin | I just resized a partition, but it had nothing to do with my vfat one... |
| 00:50.57 | kurumin | But then, nothing's there now. |
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| 00:51.47 | resiak | ma3x: help mirror; mirror . |
| 00:51.51 | kurumin | Is there a linux app that I could recover lost data? |
| 00:51.55 | green_earz | LightVision; for you apt sources.list? run the command " apt-setup " to pick a new mirror or edit you sources.list |
| 00:52.16 | LightVision | green_earz: ok and can I see yours? |
| 00:52.35 | ma3x | resiak, i mean with 'ftp' not with lftp |
| 00:52.40 | green_earz | LightVision: i put it in #flood |
| 00:52.43 | kurumin | ke6isf Do you know any applicatiion that could do that? |
| 00:52.45 | resiak | ma3x: You probably _can't_. |
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| 00:53.25 | ma3x | resiak, so mirror is like synchronizing remote to local dir? |
| 00:53.31 | LightVision | green_earz: well I wasnt there |
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| 00:53.41 | ke6isf | kurumin: I'm searching apt-cache right now, but I'm really leaning toward "sucks to be you". |
| 00:53.43 | LightVision | green_earz: im there now, can you paste again |
| 00:53.56 | resiak | ma3x: man lftp. Amazingly, all the answers are _there_ |
| 00:54.02 | kurumin | Does anybody know a linux application that can try to recover data after formating? |
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| 00:54.15 | resiak | !tell kurumin about repeat |
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| 00:54.28 | ma3x | resiak, okay thanks for di assistance |
| 00:54.50 | kurumin | resiak, sorry, and thanks for the tip. |
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| 00:54.55 | resiak | ma3x: No worries. But basically mirror in lftp is analogous to cp -R |
| 00:54.59 | resiak | kurumin: No worries. |
| 00:54.59 | ke6isf | kurumin: Looks like foremost and mondo are the best bets. Other than that... well, you shoulda backed up your data. |
| 00:55.14 | kurumin | I know... |
| 00:55.21 | kurumin | foremost and mondo, huh? |
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| 00:55.44 | ke6isf | kurumin: 'apt-cache show foremost' for a description. Replace 'foremost' with 'mondo' as appropriate. |
| 00:55.51 | slidesinger | Question about initrd. I have seen argument both for and against, but not seen any real good descript of what it does. Does anyone know about this or where I can find a _detailed_ doc? |
| 00:55.58 | ke6isf | kurumin: Whatever you do, don't mount the drive until you've read the documentation THOROUGHLY. |
| 00:56.16 | ma3x | resiak, that seems to be cool. you can fetch files too - from http, like with wget? |
| 00:56.30 | ke6isf | !tell slidesinger -about initrd |
| 00:56.35 | sigma957 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.36 | resiak | ma3x: No, lftp does not do httpd. |
| 00:56.42 | resiak | ma3x: s/httpd/http/. |
| 00:56.49 | sigma957 | I am having a bad day here |
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| 00:57.25 | ma3x | resiak, lftp can handle seven file access methods - ftp, ftps, http, https, hftp, fish, sftp and file (https and ftps are only available when lftp is compiled with openssl library). |
| 00:57.31 | ma3x | are we clear Sir? |
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| 00:57.41 | honschu | Hi, is it possible to open and read /dev/ttyS0 while an other process is reading from? |
| 00:57.42 | kurumin | I already have mounted the drive several times. |
| 00:57.53 | resiak | ma3x: ooh, shiny! My bad, sorry. But i'm not sure about recursive fetches over http: http doesn't have an ls, so. |
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| 00:58.12 | slidesinger | ke6isf: Thank you. |
| 00:58.13 | caranthir | What package do I need to make /usr/bin/perldoc function? |
| 00:58.27 | ke6isf | slidesinger: Gladly. |
| 00:58.47 | ma3x | resiak, no Problemo! keep cool!!! |
| 00:59.04 | mroh | honschu, yes |
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| 00:59.20 | cr3 | anyone happen to know which package contains ogg123? |
| 00:59.38 | honschu | mroh: How, when I do "cat /dev/ttyS0" the mouse keeps to stop working |
| 00:59.46 | drac | cr3: vorbis-tools |
| 00:59.52 | cr3 | drac: cheers |
| 00:59.56 | kurumin | I'm so desolate I can't even speak. How stupid of me!1 |
| 01:00.27 | caranthir | nm, found it |
| 01:00.31 | kurumin | I'm on it now. downloading. |
| 01:00.44 | mroh | honschu, hmm, sorry, I dont know why |
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| 01:01.03 | mek_ | !mplayer |
| 01:01.04 | dpkg | [mplayer] not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 01:01.13 | honschu | mroh: I'll go and ask on #kernel |
| 01:01.45 | mek_ | !marillat |
| 01:01.46 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 01:03.21 | phrontist | how do I get rid of window decorations with blackbox? |
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| 01:05.55 | Phated | phrontist: Try alt-rightclick in a window and 'Decorate', if there's one. |
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| 01:06.33 | TraceGreen | what packet "kde info center " belong to? |
| 01:06.34 | phrontist | Phated: alt-right click does nothing :-( |
| 01:06.41 | resiak | phrontist: Right-click the titlebar ? |
| 01:06.45 | phrontist | yeah |
| 01:06.48 | Phated | phrontist: Sorry, doesn't exist outside of openbox then. =) |
| 01:06.52 | phrontist | but there is no option |
| 01:07.59 | amphi | phrontist: there's no reason not to use openbox, that I know of ;) |
| 01:08.39 | Phated | Openboooox. |
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| 01:09.08 | caranthir | what are all the perl module packages named like, I need net::ip, iptables::ipv4 and lwp::simple |
| 01:09.15 | amphi | ;) |
| 01:09.35 | dondelelcaro | caranthir: libnet-ip-perl, libwww-perl; |
| 01:09.41 | dondelelcaro | !tell caranthir -about search |
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| 01:15.31 | kpkg | my /var/log/messages are Sep 4 12:42:41 server kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped. |
| 01:15.31 | kpkg | Sep 4 12:42:41 server kernel: Kernel log daemon terminating. |
| 01:15.31 | kpkg | Sep 4 12:42:41 server exiting on, what's wrong? |
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| 01:18.40 | phrontist | is there a tutorial for ALSA on debian with apt-get, or should I do it all from source? |
| 01:19.15 | SimonRaven | alsa-base alsa-utils and some common sense |
| 01:19.18 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 01:19.44 | vorlon | common sense isn't DFSG-free though. |
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| 01:19.48 | SimonRaven | easy howto, wasn't it |
| 01:19.57 | SimonRaven | no, that's true. |
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| 01:20.21 | SimonRaven | my my, all these DDs in here all at once. |
| 01:20.24 | gravity | I've just created #debian-x for anyone who's interested in hanging out and helping me debug X problems for people. |
| 01:20.46 | gravity | As tempting as I know that sounds ;-) |
| 01:20.54 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 01:22.16 | asg | gravity: is that for X in general or does that also include window managers, etc.? |
| 01:22.25 | gravity | asg: Mainly for X in general really. |
| 01:22.30 | asg | gravity: ah, okay |
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| 01:22.41 | gravity | asg: We could do window managers, but I don't use a lot of them myself, so I can't help much there |
| 01:23.22 | asg | gravity: understood |
| 01:23.24 | SimonRaven | a kitten walked into our house a few days ago. no idea where she comes from. we're giving her some TLC, cuddles, and food/water until we figure out where she lives. she'll become a permanent resident if we can't find where she lives |
| 01:23.35 | gravity | But yeah, if people want to use -x to troubleshoot wm's, that'd be cool |
| 01:23.47 | gravity | It'd give me a chance to play with xnest and try a few of them :-) |
| 01:23.53 | asg | SimonRaven: kittens are cool |
| 01:23.56 | resiak | SimonRaven: Turn her into raven-food! |
| 01:24.12 | phrontist | so all I need is alsa-base and alsa-utils? I don't need, for instance, alsa-lib? |
| 01:24.29 | SimonRaven | asg: very. she's so cute, too. black, with grey stripy. tortoise-shell |
| 01:24.37 | phrontist | err... wait |
| 01:24.41 | phrontist | there is no alsa-lib |
| 01:24.44 | asg | SimonRaven: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/cats/sandy/sandy-bed16.jpg (hear no evil) |
| 01:24.47 | SimonRaven | resiak: -_- |
| 01:25.02 | resiak | SimonRaven: PHOTO |
| 01:25.12 | SimonRaven | no camera |
| 01:25.27 | resiak | :( |
| 01:25.33 | resiak | asg: CAT |
| 01:25.55 | SimonRaven | maybe i can borrow one for a bit, and put it up |
| 01:26.03 | phrontist | I have alsa-base and alsa-utils, what now? |
| 01:26.13 | kpkg | my /var/log/messages stop reporting, the last message was kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped. how i do fix it? |
| 01:26.13 | asg | resiak: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/cats/webster/webster-floor30.jpg (big brother) |
| 01:26.37 | dvs | phrontist: What kernel? |
| 01:26.41 | asg | kpkg: make sure /proc is mounted, restart /etc/init.d/sysklogd and /etc/init.d/klogd |
| 01:26.42 | phrontist | (normally I'd compile the source packages with the right command line options for my card, run modprobe and I'd be done) |
| 01:26.46 | SimonRaven | kpkg: try restarting sysklogd? |
| 01:26.57 | phrontist | dvs: this is the latest stable, as of yesterday |
| 01:27.12 | dvs | phrontist: stable has at least 2 kernels |
| 01:27.18 | phrontist | how do I check |
| 01:27.19 | phrontist | ? |
| 01:27.22 | dvs | uname -r |
| 01:27.25 | SimonRaven | uname -r |
| 01:27.37 | resiak | asg: Stop showing these to me, or I'll explode in a burst of "CAT!!". I love cats :) |
| 01:27.39 | kpkg | asg, SimonRaven thanks, it's works :) |
| 01:27.48 | phrontist | 2.4.27 |
| 01:27.49 | SimonRaven | np |
| 01:27.53 | phrontist | thanks |
| 01:27.58 | gravity | KITTIES |
| 01:28.06 | dvs | phrontist: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 01:28.10 | asg | resiak: yeah, me too. |
| 01:28.45 | resiak | asg: I can't find any photos of mine, sadyl. |
| 01:29.03 | asg | resiak: I'd have more but my camera broke some time ago and I haven't been able to replace it. |
| 01:29.04 | phrontist | dvs: okay, downloading... |
| 01:29.30 | resiak | asg: Damn. I may get a camera soon ... when I do I'll wave photos around :) |
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| 01:29.40 | SimonRaven | the other cat who lives here has been lonely since mao (our orange tom) died... she's kinda pissy that the kitten's here, but she's starting to warm to her |
| 01:29.54 | asg | resiak: :) excellent. I know helix was working on a Cats of #debian page some time ago, maybe she can rev that back up again. |
| 01:30.15 | resiak | Ooh, neat. |
| 01:30.25 | asg | SimonRaven: she'll come around and get some spunk back in time. |
| 01:31.00 | SimonRaven | yeh, she will. she's older, like 15 or so (we got her she must've been around 2-5 years old) |
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| 01:31.40 | phrontist | okay modules installed, can I just do modprobe now? |
| 01:31.46 | slidesinger | I had a power failure the other day. When power was restored and the computer rebooted, the USB mouse suddenly stopped working. I checked, input.o, mousedev.o, and hid.o are all installed, though hid.o is reported as being unused. The mouse is listed in /proc/bus/usb/devices, but cat /dev/input/mice produces nothing but a blank screen. Yesterday the mouse was listed as hiddev0 in dmesg. |
| 01:31.54 | dvs | phrontist: If you know the name of the module |
| 01:31.58 | slidesinger | I came across a note that raw HID support should be removed from the kernel and did. Once this was done, dmesg shows the mouse on usb2:2.0. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:32.38 | lemur | I just installed sarge. What utility can I run to reconfigure exim4? I believe entered the mail settings wrong, and now I'm afraid of impending doom. |
| 01:32.46 | asg | lemur: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 01:32.50 | SimonRaven | was funny the way we met, her and i. we were looking into adopting a cat.. we were in winnipeg at the time. so i go over to the house, and the mo says "she's kinda shy, won't come out except for my daughter" so she asks her daughter to call her out, she comes out, and first thing she does is plop herself in front of me and starts purring. way cool |
| 01:32.52 | lemur | asg: thanks |
| 01:32.55 | asg | lemur: you're welcome |
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| 01:33.11 | lemur | I'm new to debian :) |
| 01:33.13 | lemur | But I like it |
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| 01:33.16 | asg | SimonRaven: cats know a sucker |
| 01:33.20 | asg | SimonRaven: :) |
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| 01:33.28 | SimonRaven | haha |
| 01:33.51 | asg | lemur: welcome, may all your experiences be good. |
| 01:34.03 | gravity | lemur: Rock on :-) |
| 01:34.29 | asg | lemur: interestingly, someone at your ISP was running teardrop attacks against my network all weekend (no, it wasn't you) :) |
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| 01:34.52 | atom-z | whats a teardrop attack? |
| 01:34.59 | asg | atom-z: teh old |
| 01:35.07 | asg | atom-z: 1999 vintage |
| 01:35.15 | Guerin | lucifer4u: i really don't know, sorry. |
| 01:35.17 | kpkg | i got a new problem with /var/log/messages, know it saids No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. :/ |
| 01:35.20 | asg | atom-z: we have a class B so it's been taking them a while. |
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| 01:35.47 | atom-z | asg, some kind of broken packet header I assume? |
| 01:36.25 | asg | atom-z: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1997-28.html (1997, my mistake) |
| 01:36.34 | asuffield | a very old windows bug in their tcp stack |
| 01:36.54 | asuffield | plus a bunch of other random things |
| 01:37.05 | shekhinah | Hi. Has anyone worked on IBM eserver xseries 206 and sarge? Did you have a problem with SATA HDD detection and RAID?? |
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| 01:37.53 | atom-z | Ah I see |
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| 01:39.03 | phrontist | hmmm... |
| 01:39.18 | phrontist | I'm following the directions on the ALSA page for my soundcard |
| 01:39.31 | phrontist | and it says "module not found" for all of them |
| 01:39.34 | dvs | phrontist: don't bother. Use alsaconf |
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| 01:39.47 | phrontist | dvs: alsaconf has NEVER worked for me |
| 01:39.50 | phrontist | on any distro |
| 01:40.00 | lemur | exim confuses me...when I first installed, it asked which account to send root mail too. I specified my main user account, but I failed to put "real-" in front of the username accidentally. Now I'm afraid I'll receive fake mail. |
| 01:40.01 | phrontist | I've always made it work this way though |
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| 01:40.34 | phrontist | huh |
| 01:40.38 | phrontist | this is interesting |
| 01:40.58 | phrontist | unloading ALSA driver modules: (none loaded) |
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| 01:41.52 | phrontist | Robotics - The most fun you'll have in highschool with your clothes on |
| 01:42.07 | phrontist | damn, wrong channel |
| 01:42.24 | asg | lemur: iirc, exim does the real-<user> rewrites automatically, you shouldn't have to specify anything other than your real username in the prompts. |
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| 01:42.47 | gravity | heh |
| 01:42.48 | anakinskywalker | how can i do the print screen in debian? |
| 01:42.54 | anakinskywalker | im using gnome |
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| 01:42.55 | asg | !screenshot |
| 01:42.55 | dpkg | hmm... screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 01:43.00 | anakinskywalker | yup |
| 01:43.02 | anakinskywalker | screenshot |
| 01:43.07 | cat | hey what packaged do i need to download so i can set up an ftp ? |
| 01:43.17 | asg | anakinskywalker: see dpkg's output (above) for a number of ideas. |
| 01:43.26 | dvs | cat: I've heard proftp was good |
| 01:43.33 | asg | cat: vsftpd is probably your best choice but it takes some getting used to. |
| 01:43.58 | anakinskywalker | thanks |
| 01:44.16 | atom-z | ugh. This is annoying, in firefox, when the mouse is over a right click menu item, the menu item disappears |
| 01:44.43 | atom-z | (but I can still click it) |
| 01:44.45 | cat | onnected to 201.238.231.152:21 |
| 01:44.45 | cat | 220 (vsFTPd 2.0.3) |
| 01:44.45 | cat | USER Joint |
| 01:44.45 | cat | 530 This FTP server is anonymous only. |
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| 01:45.01 | cat | any ideas? |
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| 01:45.28 | alexi_ | i klike boyz |
| 01:45.53 | cat | 530 This FTP server is anonymous only. |
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| 01:45.58 | cat | any ideas? |
| 01:45.59 | asg | cat: out of the box, vsftpd only supports anonymous users. There are config examples in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/examples for other setups. |
| 01:45.59 | herbijudlestoids | in vi |
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| 01:46.06 | herbijudlestoids | how do i open a file from the command? |
| 01:46.08 | herbijudlestoids | :o doesnt work |
| 01:46.18 | herbijudlestoids | neither does :open |
| 01:46.18 | Gathond | cat: so login as anonymous, or reconfigure it to support othervise |
| 01:46.25 | asg | herbijudlestoids: :e /path/to/file |
| 01:46.33 | herbijudlestoids | ta :) |
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| 01:47.11 | abrotman | !bed asg |
| 01:47.38 | asg | abrotman: yeah, no kidding. I've been ill all day, drinking beer and watching a CSI marathon. |
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| 01:48.14 | abrotman | asg: good plan .. i skipped the beer because thur,fri,sat were enough for me .. and i watched baseball :) |
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| 01:48.23 | abrotman | and some L&O |
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| 01:48.47 | asg | abrotman: :) |
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| 01:49.34 | abrotman | asg: did you know Mariska Hargitay is hot? |
| 01:49.47 | dvs | abrotman: Olivia Benson? |
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| 01:49.55 | asg | abrotman: I don't know who that is, but I'll take your word for it |
| 01:49.56 | abrotman | dvs: yes :) |
| 01:50.04 | abrotman | asg: the girl from L&O:SVU |
| 01:50.06 | dvs | abrotman: I love SVU |
| 01:50.09 | abrotman | the girl cop |
| 01:50.22 | SimonRaven | "girl"? |
| 01:50.31 | asg | abrotman: oh, haven't seen that yet. mrs asg won't hold with anything but CSI. |
| 01:50.32 | dvs | too bad she's married (newlywed) |
| 01:50.42 | abrotman | asg: you must watch it |
| 01:50.57 | asg | abrotman: *nod* |
| 01:51.12 | abrotman | asg: http://mariska.com/image.php?n=pg23.jpg |
| 01:52.12 | asg | abrotman: too much tan for me. |
| 01:52.29 | phrontist | yay! sound works |
| 01:52.33 | asg | !win phrontist |
| 01:52.34 | phrontist | thank you everybody |
| 01:52.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, phrontist! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:52.36 | dvs | Can't hear you. ;-) |
| 01:52.45 | abrotman | asg: she's not alwys that tan . but whatever :) |
| 01:53.03 | asg | abrotman: to each their own, as I always say |
| 01:53.04 | dvs | That's too tan? |
| 01:53.14 | asg | dvs: for me, I'm into pale. |
| 01:53.23 | abrotman | asg: you like kathrn morris from "Lost" ? |
| 01:53.29 | dvs | asg: I'm not that picky. |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | dvs: no .. she's hot :) |
| 01:53.45 | dvs | abrotman: No, like Bebe Neuwirth from Fraiser ;-) |
| 01:53.46 | asg | abrotman: haven't seen that one (I don't watch much TV) |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | maybe that morris woman is on Cold Case |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | where's paulswm? |
| 01:54.16 | asg | abrotman: he was in earlier |
| 01:54.17 | abrotman | dvs: her too!@!!! |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | asg: i know .. he was in -ot |
| 01:54.50 | asg | abrotman: one of these days, I'll venture into -ot. |
| 01:55.01 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
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| 01:56.35 | shekhinah | Has anyone worked IBM xseries 206? |
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| 01:57.47 | Marc | i have a samba / winbind problem where would be the best place to ask about that? trying to get domain authentication with NT/2000 domain controller |
| 01:57.57 | dvs | #samba |
| 01:58.14 | asg | Marc: #samba is a good start. Also, www.oreilly.com/openbook has Using Samba 2nd Ed. online for your reading pleasure. |
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| 01:58.35 | Marc | thank you |
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| 01:59.13 | mathieu | hello, in mysql how do i insert strings that have the possibility of having both ' and " ? |
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| 01:59.30 | m2 | mathieu: with lots of quotes? |
| 01:59.42 | m2 | mathieu: IIRC \' and \" and the like |
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| 01:59.46 | abrotman | shekhinah: be more specific |
| 01:59.51 | asg | mathieu: #mysql should know |
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| 02:01.29 | abrotman | or ot |
| 02:01.29 | abrotman | not |
| 02:01.56 | mathieu | asg, m2 thanks, will ask them |
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| 02:02.58 | asg | abrotman: there's 241 people in there, they can't all be asleep (or partying with #samba) |
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| 02:03.10 | shekhinah | abrotman: I am considering to purchse xseries 206, and install sarge but worried it might have a problem with SATA RAID & HDD detection. 206 has the on-board i/o control of intel 6300esb. |
| 02:03.15 | dvs | asg: They're all high |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | asg: i meant #mysql |
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| 02:03.34 | dondelelcaro | shekhinah: if the kernel supports the controller, it shouldn't be a big deal to install Debian. |
| 02:03.45 | abrotman | shekhinah: do you know which sata controller it has ? |
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| 02:04.15 | shekhinah | abortman: intel 6300esb. |
| 02:04.53 | pi-meson | I have a module i'm trying to compile on a fresh amd64/sarge install with module-assistant that's failing to build; is there a "debian way" to build it that's less automated (and easier to debug) than module-assistant? |
| 02:05.11 | shekhinah | abortman: I looked at the kernel.org. It has derived from ICH4. Kernel.org tells a bit about ICH4 but none about 6300esb |
| 02:05.12 | abrotman | shekhinah: i've never heard of that .. normal ones are ich5 etc .. |
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| 02:05.28 | abrotman | shekhinah: ich4 does work with sarge .. iirc ich5 does not |
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| 02:05.33 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 02:05.33 | dpkg | from memory, sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 02:05.47 | abrotman | and like i've said so many times before .. E17 is total garbage |
| 02:05.48 | dvs | abrotman: Huh? I have ICH5 (Intel 865PE) |
| 02:05.49 | SerajewelKS | join ##java |
| 02:05.54 | SerajewelKS | blargh |
| 02:06.00 | abrotman | dvs: whoops .. ich6 as the factoid says |
| 02:06.07 | asg | SerajewelKS: try catch fail? |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | shekhinah: it's ich6 .. not ich5 .. ich5 works fine |
| 02:06.26 | dvs | ICH6 it 915 and 925 |
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| 02:06.30 | dvs | s/it/is |
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| 02:06.33 | shekhinah | abortman: Thanks bunch. Knowing that ICH4 works is a big relief |
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| 02:06.50 | asg | shekhinah: do you know what nic that machine ships with? |
| 02:06.54 | abrotman | shekhinah: how many are you planning to buy? |
| 02:07.14 | shekhinah | asg: 848291x gigabit NIC |
| 02:07.15 | richardb | has anyone seen or used a Blackdog usb powered device? |
| 02:07.25 | asg | shekhinah: the broadcoms they ship in the HS20s do not work with sarge. |
| 02:07.26 | abrotman | asg: e100 ? |
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| 02:07.59 | asg | abrotman: no, IBM ships broadcoms in the HS20s and the firmware was removed in the 2.6.8 sarge kernel. |
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| 02:08.24 | shekhinah | abortman: I am thinking just one |
| 02:08.26 | abrotman | asg: i meant for him :) |
| 02:08.39 | abrotman | asg: my tg3 works just fine with sarge |
| 02:08.43 | asg | abrotman: well, it would be e1000 if it's a gig nic |
| 02:08.57 | asg | abrotman: the one in my latitude does also. Just the nics in the HS20s have problems. |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | whatever :) it's only a power of 10 .. being off by the power of 10 has never done damage before |
| 02:09.26 | abrotman | asg: is it b44 vs tg3 ? |
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| 02:09.54 | asg | abrotman: dunno (BCM5705M is the one in the laptop) |
| 02:10.02 | shekhinah | abortman & asg: thx bunch. big helpp! |
| 02:10.03 | joale | i don't know how to register for #linux. the channel just say to register but not telling how. |
| 02:10.09 | abrotman | 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5901 100Base-TX (rev 01) |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | and it works .. perfectly fine |
| 02:10.41 | asg | joale: /msg nickserv help |
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| 02:20.04 | tengulre | Hi,all!! I m coming! |
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| 02:21.48 | gravity | ? |
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| 02:22.33 | dvs | Looks like (n=^bahar^@modemcable241.20-202-24.mc.videotron.ca is some sort of bot |
| 02:22.35 | TraceGreen | Hello, i need a tool with gui to get some hardware info, this tool need lightweight. any ideas? |
| 02:22.37 | wireddd | what filesystem would be ideal for holding all of my music/movies etc? |
| 02:22.54 | ke6isf | wireddd: Not VFAT. |
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| 02:23.13 | asg | wireddd: ext3 is a good choice |
| 02:23.20 | dbus | so umm, can anyone think of a reason why /etc/init.d/dbus-1 would hang a system? |
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| 02:23.34 | DoppelGanger | dbus: cause you stole its name |
| 02:23.50 | ke6isf | dbus: What's syslog or dmesg say? |
| 02:23.58 | dbus | silent, hard lock |
| 02:24.34 | not_dbus | cursor stops flashing :( |
| 02:24.36 | wireddd | why wouldn't I want to use ext2 or reiser? |
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| 02:24.40 | mwilson | TraceGreen: Why does it need to be a GUI? |
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| 02:24.59 | dondelelcaro | not_dbus: well, if the system locked, it's probably a kernel bug of some sort... |
| 02:25.24 | asg | wireddd: reiser is known to lose data, ext2 will provide no benefit in this case over ext3 (unless you want to shred(1)) your movie or music files to prevent the feds from getting a look |
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| 02:25.29 | not_dbus | dondelelcaro: I suppose so...just trying to figure out what could do it |
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| 02:25.42 | not_dbus | I just did an update this morning, kernel wasn't changed |
| 02:25.53 | not_dbus | today was the first day it started locking... |
| 02:26.02 | dondelelcaro | not_dbus: hrm... well, see what changed in the upgrade |
| 02:26.08 | mwilson | not_dbus: So what WAS changed today? |
| 02:26.31 | wireddd | asg ok thanks |
| 02:26.41 | asg | wireddd: you're welcome. |
| 02:28.08 | not_dbus | mwilson: buncha stuff with an update against unstable today... |
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| 02:28.37 | mwilson | Why don't you know? |
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| 02:29.09 | not_dbus | mwilson: it just takes a moment or two to deal with fs corruption everytime it locks up... |
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| 02:29.21 | dondelelcaro | not_dbus: check the log; /var/log/dpkg.log; |
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| 02:29.31 | not_dbus | dondelelcaro: cheers |
| 02:29.42 | zinx | not_dbus: your system sounds pretty broken |
| 02:29.48 | mik3 | hello, i have a problem with ubuntu, i know this isn't an ubuntu help channel, and you guys probably get really irritated when people come in here for help with anything other than debian, but no one in #ubuntu can help, is it ok if i ask my question or will someone go into private query with me about it? |
| 02:30.11 | Guerin | mik3: there are good, competent people in #ubuntu who will help you. be patient. |
| 02:30.24 | Guerin | most of us, if we used ubuntu, ewould be in there. |
| 02:30.37 | m2 | mik3: I guess that you could state what the problem is and perhaps someone decides he can give you a hand... |
| 02:30.39 | mik3 | Guerin : i've been asking for help for 4 days for a broken apt system, and no one (neither operators or GP) can help |
| 02:30.55 | gravity | mik3: I recommend using one of their mailing lists or web boards. |
| 02:30.59 | mwilson | I'll bite... define "broken apt system". |
| 02:31.00 | Guerin | mik3: it must be pretty horribly broken |
| 02:31.18 | m2 | mik3: you could upgrade your system to debian... |
| 02:31.30 | Guerin | ubuntu -> debian doesn't work |
| 02:31.30 | mik3 | well it seems common among debian and ubuntu users, but my google queries don't come back to anything that resolves the problem |
| 02:31.40 | mik3 | m2: baby steps |
| 02:31.44 | dondelelcaro | mik3: paste the full output using the paster bot |
| 02:31.46 | mwilson | And you don't describe the problem, either. |
| 02:32.11 | m2 | Guerin: it doesn't work anymore? I've done a couple of ubuntu -> testing and ubuntu -> sid which have mostly worked, I don't expect ubuntu -> sarge to work, that's right. |
| 02:32.13 | wireddd | whats the best gui partion tool... |
| 02:32.20 | mik3 | http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1942 <----any ideas? (repeating apt-get update, doing apt-get clean, does not fix it.) |
| 02:32.24 | Guerin | m2: MOSTLY worked, huh? |
| 02:32.29 | Guerin | that's encouraging |
| 02:32.43 | not_dbus | ya, so about 689 packages got touched in the update this morning, but strangely enough not dbus-1 |
| 02:32.46 | gravity | hrm, that's a new one |
| 02:32.55 | litage | if dpkg says an pkg is removed but its config files still exist, what command will remove the config files? |
| 02:32.57 | dondelelcaro | mik3: the output of apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=1 <yourcommand>; apt-cache policy; is also important. |
| 02:33.13 | m2 | Guerin: well, a few "leftovers" remain here and there... nothing big... cosmetics mostly |
| 02:33.20 | mwilson | mik3: What's to fix? |
| 02:33.21 | asg | litage: dpkg -P <pkg> |
| 02:33.26 | litage | thanks asg |
| 02:33.31 | asg | litage: you're welcome |
| 02:33.43 | Guerin | mik3: looks to me like a broken repository, or a broken gzip binary |
| 02:33.49 | mik3 | mwilson : the errors at the bottom, apt-get install <anything> will not work, i can not use the apt system at all, synaptec is broken too |
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| 02:33.55 | mik3 | and repositories are fine |
| 02:33.56 | dondelelcaro | mik3: something's wrong with http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 02:34.00 | adamm | wireddd: cfdisk is very nice and it is *almost* a gui |
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| 02:34.19 | Rizzer | !rfc614 |
| 02:34.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, rfc614 is Response to RFC 607: "Comments on the File Transfer Protocol". K.T. Pogran, N. Neigus. Jan-28-1974. (Not online) (Updates RFC0607) (Status: UNKNOWN) |
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| 02:34.24 | richardb | what is so great about Ubuntu that everyone who doesn't understand Debian is using? |
| 02:34.29 | asg | !rfc1149 |
| 02:34.29 | dondelelcaro | mik3: or your copy of gzip is broken, since it appears fine to me. |
| 02:34.29 | dpkg | [rfc1149] Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 02:34.36 | ke6isf | mik3: Comment out the archive for archive.ubuntu.com and retry. |
| 02:34.40 | dondelelcaro | richardb: ask in #ubuntu, not here... |
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| 02:34.48 | Rizzer | !nikometer |
| 02:34.48 | dpkg | rizzer is 100% lame, rizzer |
| 02:34.55 | richardb | I blame the Ubuntu community for this, getting people who should be using something like Redhat excited over a pretty shiny desktop |
| 02:34.57 | mwilson | mik3: That error has zero to do with your not being able to install anything with apt-get. All it says is that there's no Packages file there. What is the *actual* problem you have with apt-get? |
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| 02:35.06 | Guerin | richardb: go and blame them in #ubuntu, then |
| 02:35.08 | dondelelcaro | richardb: again, that's totally OT here. |
| 02:35.08 | gravity | richardb: They can use it if they want |
| 02:35.16 | richardb | I would if I really gave a shit |
| 02:35.17 | mwilson | richardb: How is this Ubuntu's fault? There are stupid people all over. |
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| 02:35.24 | Rizzer | !nikometer dondelelcaro |
| 02:35.24 | dpkg | dondelelcaro has a Nike rating of rebook is teh suk |
| 02:35.40 | dondelelcaro | heh. that's a new one |
| 02:35.43 | asg | hah |
| 02:35.49 | Guerin | wtf is rebook |
| 02:35.53 | asg | dondelelcaro: I figured you sneaked that one in the code |
| 02:35.53 | Guerin | anytrhing like redbook? |
| 02:35.57 | asg | Guerin: shoe manufacturer |
| 02:35.57 | Rizzer | it's supposed to say the same thing |
| 02:36.01 | Guerin | asg: ... |
| 02:36.04 | mwilson | mik3: So...? |
| 02:36.16 | mik3 | ok im going to try installing gzip manually |
| 02:36.21 | peterS | Guerin: it's the new iBook |
| 02:36.27 | asg | Guerin: Nike (shoes) ... Rebook (sic) (also shoes) |
| 02:36.28 | Rizzer | !nikometer sep |
| 02:36.29 | dpkg | sep has a Nike rating of Ticked off |
| 02:36.33 | mwilson | mik3: As opposed to actually fixing the problem you have? |
| 02:36.35 | mik3 | i'm on dialup, sorry for the latency, and thanks for being patient with me |
| 02:36.38 | Rizzer | !nikometer Rizzer |
| 02:36.39 | dpkg | Rizzer has a Nike rating of rebook is teh suk |
| 02:36.42 | peterS | Rizzer: enough. go botsturbate somewhere else |
| 02:36.46 | asg | Rizzer: thanks, we get the point |
| 02:36.47 | TraceGreen | mwilson, my friend don't know much about command |
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| 02:36.58 | Guerin | mik3: i suggest you remove your sources.list and add one single known-functional repository to it, run apt-get update, then add repos one by one, running apt-get update between each. |
| 02:37.01 | dondelelcaro | Rizzer: /msg the bots in the future, please. |
| 02:37.10 | ke6isf | rebook is a bad misspelling of reebok, actually. |
| 02:37.17 | Guerin | mik3: it might be that your Packages.gz on disk is corrupt and isn't being overwritten for some reason |
| 02:37.19 | mik3 | Guerin ok i will |
| 02:37.23 | ke6isf | That, or it's something you do to plane tickets. |
| 02:37.40 | peterS | ke6isf: I still think it's a new line of iBooks |
| 02:37.41 | Guerin | ke6isf: heh |
| 02:37.43 | adamm | mwilson: reminds me of a quotation I heard somehere. "As software developers/engineers are always making easier to use, more idiot proof software and the Universe is making bigger and better idiots. The Universe is winning" |
| 02:37.45 | Sinisterr | http://trbonet.hopto.org/sitex take a look hehe |
| 02:37.46 | asg | ke6isf: or something I do with 'Zodiac' every year or so |
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| 02:37.49 | mwilson | mik3: If your gzip binary were flawed, the other mirrors you're downloading Packages.gz from would also fail. |
| 02:37.51 | Guerin | peterS: refurbished! |
| 02:38.03 | peterS | Guerin: oh the kind you get into a stampede to pay $20 for |
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| 02:38.23 | Guerin | peterS: and then find they have a three-hour warrant for a series of good reasons |
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| 02:38.31 | peterS | ha, right |
| 02:38.43 | bright | adamm: heh, well, hte easier life becomes, the more people become idiots because they don't have to do anything for themselves anymore |
| 02:38.44 | Guerin | peterS: "So THAT'S what happened to all those returned logic boards..." |
| 02:38.46 | Rizzer | dondelelcaro: ok, I only saw people using !, I"ll use /msg further testing. I think this is part of the problem (referring to mailing list discussions), that people assume the rest know how the bots and other irc details work. |
| 02:39.13 | ke6isf | Guerin: Yeap, that good-ol-sweatshop quality I pay $20 for. =^_^= |
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| 02:39.37 | slayer_hands | My pypanel closes when I open Xmms. anybody can me to help? |
| 02:39.54 | peterS | Rizzer: start with '/msg dpkg stupid bot tricks' |
| 02:39.55 | Rizzer | dondelelcaro: I think many of us don't know about ops or bots or other such sophistications. We just come here to ask questions or answer them. |
| 02:40.07 | adamm | slayer_hands: what panel? |
| 02:40.09 | peterS | seriously |
| 02:40.19 | dondelelcaro | Rizzer: that's fine; some of it is because no one has bothered to document them. |
| 02:40.26 | mwilson | Huh... I just caught that. Canonical finally owns ubuntu.com? |
| 02:41.01 | slayer_hands | adamm pypanel 2.4 and I also tested 2.3 |
| 02:41.54 | Guerin | Rizzer: to which mailing list discussion do you refer? |
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| 02:42.26 | Rizzer | Guerin: debian-private |
| 02:42.30 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:42.42 | m2 | Guerin: there's an ongoing discussion about this channel on debian-private, and from what I gather, there's also some discusion about it in #debian-offtopic |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | Guerin: you know . the one that says we're evil people :) |
| 02:43.02 | Rizzer | abrotman: ...are you ?? ;) |
| 02:43.13 | peterS | Rizzer: doesn't matter |
| 02:43.15 | abrotman | Rizzer: is today thursday? |
| 02:43.22 | Guerin | m2: well, not that much in #debian-offtopic ... we have less important things to talk about |
| 02:43.27 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 02:43.27 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 02:43.31 | Rizzer | abrotman: not for two days :) |
| 02:43.36 | peterS | Rizzer: you know how mailing list discussions go. nobody actually does field research, they just debate facts as presented by whoever complains in the first place |
| 02:43.39 | abrotman | Rizzer: then you're safe :) |
| 02:43.39 | m2 | abrotman: personally I think it's only too many people overreacting |
| 02:43.49 | Guerin | it is something of a mystery why the discussion needs to be private |
| 02:44.06 | Rizzer | peterS: it does matter. If people are being driven away from this channel... I don't think that doesn't matter |
| 02:44.07 | asg | Guerin: teh cabal. sssshhhh! |
| 02:44.13 | abrotman | m2: that's your take .. the channel you've frequented for a while isn't having unwritten rules suddenly enforced for no apparent reason by people who are never here |
| 02:44.14 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Are you making that statement as the result of field research? I would like to debate that fact. |
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| 02:44.22 | Guerin | asg: TCINTRC |
| 02:44.25 | peterS | Rizzer: no I mean, the facts don't matter in context of a mailing list discussion |
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| 02:44.36 | peterS | Rizzer: maybe they matter in the larger sense, but that's hardly the point |
| 02:44.47 | Rizzer | peterS: ah...perhaps ;) |
| 02:45.05 | peterS | Rizzer: Guerin makes the valid point too that this doesn't particularly sound like something that needs to be discussed in private. why would it be then? to be insular? |
| 02:45.11 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone know of a tool that takes an imap store and puts it into an SQL database? |
| 02:45.20 | m2 | abrotman: something like that, yes. The people doing the overreacting are mostly people not here and who have never been here. That's rather unfair, I think. |
| 02:45.22 | Guerin | there's the arguement to keep the noise down |
| 02:45.30 | asg | sgeigerbot: iirc, dan2 wrote one. |
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| 02:45.33 | Guerin | but mailing lists do that naturally |
| 02:45.38 | abrotman | m2: then.. well .. wouldn't you be a wee bit unhappy too ? |
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| 02:45.41 | peterS | Guerin: there is that, but it also excludes most of the regulars of this channel, who have a lot of time investment in it |
| 02:45.47 | Rizzer | Guerin: I guess calling people "evil" is something we don't won't to do publically till we're Really Sure :) |
| 02:45.49 | Guerin | right |
| 02:45.55 | Guerin | Rizzer: hah |
| 02:46.01 | sgeigerbot | asg: thanks |
| 02:46.11 | sgeigerbot | !seen dan2 |
| 02:46.12 | dpkg | dan2 <i=dan@pdpc/supporter/professional/dan2> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 5h 5m 57s ago, saying: '!sussudiosmite rr72_'. |
| 02:46.34 | m2 | sgeigerbot: apt-cache search imap sql for starters |
| 02:47.10 | sgeigerbot | m2: I did that and didn't find anything. Did you? |
| 02:47.15 | asg | sgeigerbot: this was when he was working with dbmail, the he's doing voip stuff now. He may still have the util around. bob2 may also have a copy but I don't know for sure. |
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| 02:47.54 | sgeigerbot | asg: any chance he had the good sense to use python? :-) |
| 02:48.00 | m2 | sgeigerbot: they haven't reached stable probably. |
| 02:48.03 | asg | sgeigerbot: yes, it was a python app |
| 02:48.14 | sgeigerbot | asg: wohoo! |
| 02:48.22 | m2 | and I could also say that I'm writing *something* like that, but it's going to take a while before it's usable. |
| 02:48.26 | asg | sgeigerbot: he's into ocaml and $DEITY knows what now though |
| 02:48.31 | sgeigerbot | m2: I'm using unstable on this here lappy, and no dice. What's the name of the package(s)? |
| 02:48.33 | Rizzer | peterS: you're probably right, we've reached the point in discussing the channel where discussions should continue in public |
| 02:48.55 | m2 | sgeigerbot: I pasted the list to you, didn't I? |
| 02:48.57 | sgeigerbot | asg: is he out of beta now? |
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| 02:49.03 | peterS | Rizzer: what annoys me is what I said to Guerin, that most of the channel regulars who have a lot of time invested in doing good support here are excluded from the discussion |
| 02:49.08 | b0xy | is there a linux command that will show uptime? |
| 02:49.11 | asg | sgeigerbot: dunno, I don't talk to him much these days |
| 02:49.12 | asg | b0xy: uptime |
| 02:49.16 | Guerin | b0xy: uptime would do it |
| 02:49.20 | b0xy | lol |
| 02:49.30 | b0xy | right. guess that was a dumbass question |
| 02:49.37 | Rizzer | peterS: yes, that's fair enough |
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| 02:50.08 | sgeigerbot | m2: yes, and I ignore that sort of private message by defautl. Howeve,r what you pasted me is not helpful. I want something to take an IMAP store (email messagess) and put that into an SQL database. |
| 02:50.08 | peterS | Rizzer: I'm not saying I would participate but I'd certainly be interested to see what people are saying about me, at least |
| 02:50.33 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Damn it, I give you ASCII...and you give me what? Nothing. |
| 02:50.34 | asg | Rizzer: to throw my 2p, being accused without being able to defend is poor form. |
| 02:50.44 | peterS | sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: |
| 02:50.59 | abrotman | peterS: i know what they say already |
| 02:51.04 | gravity | uh... |
| 02:51.17 | abrotman | peterS: your tab key is sticky!!!!! |
| 02:51.28 | bob2 | hell no |
| 02:51.32 | bob2 | mail + db = trouble |
| 02:51.38 | peterS | abrotman: are you guessing or do you get -private leaks? I can think of one or two people who probably do but are you one of them? |
| 02:51.52 | asg | bob2: of course, that didn't stop dan2 from pursuing the matter though |
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| 02:52.00 | abrotman | peterS: i personally think -private is one of the stupidest ideas debian has ever had |
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| 02:52.12 | peterS | abrotman: it's not. there exists dirty laundry that doesn't need to be aired |
| 02:52.15 | abrotman | peterS: it's a dman open project .. and they have a private part |
| 02:52.23 | CaT[tm] | is there a debian install/rescue cd that does not use 2.6.8 as a 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:52.26 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: there are specific things that need to be discussed on that lists; the problem is that there are things that get discussed there that shouldn't be. |
| 02:52.27 | abrotman | peterS: i disagree |
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| 02:52.37 | sgeigerbot | bob2: hey, bob. what's up? You say you don't have the script dan2 wrote for moving IMAP to an SQL database? |
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| 02:52.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but i don't want to know about your love life :) |
| 02:52.44 | asg | CaT[tm]: look at people.debian.org, someone has crafted a 2.6.12 sarge install disc. |
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| 02:52.52 | asg | CaT[tm]: can't remember the name offhand though |
| 02:52.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: but that's the same with any list... people rather frequently stray off topic. |
| 02:52.57 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: indeed |
| 02:53.01 | sgeigerbot | asg: what's wrong with doing that anyway? It seems like a good way to archive mail independent of a server. |
| 02:53.06 | CaT[tm] | asg: drat. |
| 02:53.08 | peterS | abrotman: we'll disagree, then. when they discuss expelling a developer, or something like that, the world doesn't need to see it. there are legitimate reasons to use -private. |
| 02:53.11 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: I was very happy with dovecot and maildirs, tho |
| 02:53.12 | CaT[tm] | asg: 2.6.8 is a blasted dog 8( |
| 02:53.14 | sgeigerbot | asg: especially if you want to do a lot of queries on it, indexing it... |
| 02:53.18 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: best method to do that is probably offlineimap... |
| 02:53.23 | asg | sgeigerbot: archive perhaps, he was using it in a live storage context (as dbmail does.) |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | peterS: i'd rather know why he was expelled |
| 02:53.24 | peterS | abrotman: another legitimate reason was coordinating gpg signatures for the joel klecker dedication text on the potato CD |
| 02:53.32 | Guerin | abrotman: and you would, if and when he was |
| 02:53.35 | sgeigerbot | bob2: IMAP even works with m$hit |
| 02:53.39 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. i might ... |
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| 02:53.51 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: indeed; dovecot is an imap server |
| 02:53.53 | asg | CaT[tm]: oh, sarge comes with 2.4.27 if you'd prefer |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | Guerin: there's no guarantee you would know .. how many have been expelled .. one? |
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| 02:54.16 | Guerin | abrotman: haven't ever paid attention |
| 02:54.30 | sgeigerbot | bob2: So, you don't have the script, I take it. |
| 02:54.35 | CaT[tm] | asg: here's the fun: 2.6.8 occasionally manages to detect my cdrom drive ok. 2.4.27 always does but doesn't have the right sata drivers :) |
| 02:54.36 | peterS | abrotman: the most common use of -private is to announce one's impending absence from contact for awhile, with 'vacation messages'. the world doesn't need to know a developer is going to visit her brother for a week, for example |
| 02:54.38 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the proceedure for expelling a developer was actually sent to -announce recently... |
| 02:54.47 | asg | CaT[tm]: ah |
| 02:54.50 | ke6isf | CaT[tm]: What's the problem with 2.6.8? Running the K7 variant with 2 weeks and change of uptime. |
| 02:55.10 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah .. i saw it . i don't get to vote .. didn't pay attention to the actual procedure |
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| 02:55.32 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, it explicitely states when the proceedure can be made public, and when it can't. |
| 02:55.55 | abrotman | i'd actually like to know the event or events that set all this in motion |
| 02:55.58 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: right |
| 02:56.01 | m2 | peterS: actually most developers don't need to know that I'll be out of contact for a week :-) If I did that everytime it happens I'll be kicked out for excess flooding. |
| 02:56.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 02:56.17 | ke6isf | CaT[tm]: Disregard. Saw your response. |
| 02:56.25 | peterS | m2: hey, I'm only guessing that [vac] makes up the largest number of -private threads. I could be completely wrong. |
| 02:56.37 | m2 | peterS: that's probably right |
| 02:56.39 | gravity | peterS: It's true |
| 02:56.42 | asg | :) |
| 02:56.43 | abrotman | this 'wanted' show sucks |
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| 02:56.49 | gravity | Oh gn03! I leaked |
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| 02:56.56 | peterS | gravity: hehe |
| 02:57.00 | asg | damn. The worst part about laptop batteries is they run out. Night all. |
| 02:57.12 | abrotman | night asg |
| 02:57.14 | m2 | peterS: except of course, for the moments when someone ignites a flamewar :-) |
| 02:57.39 | peterS | m2: right, of course |
| 02:57.40 | dondelelcaro | mmm... falmes |
| 02:57.54 | peterS | m2: I phrased it carefully, though, "largest number of threads" rather than "largest number of posts" |
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| 02:58.51 | sgeigerbot | asg: batteries are only for going to the bathroom if your cord doesn't reach that far. |
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| 02:59.09 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: maybe he IRCs outside? |
| 02:59.50 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: still battling that? |
| 03:00.06 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I'm looking forward to a good wearable display so I can actually see my screen when I'm outside. There's a wonderful dock at the coffeehouse across the street from where I work. I would be out there a lot if the sun weren't so bright. |
| 03:00.07 | Danamania | the first symptom on the bad machine is that restarting apache (while mod_perl is enabled) fills logfiles with warns or errors that child processes did not exit - they needed to be killed |
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| 03:00.09 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: did you ulimit -c unlimited; /etc/init.d/apache restart; |
| 03:00.14 | caroca | m2: hi again.... i've more problems with ip2 |
| 03:00.20 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: don't you live in nebraska ? |
| 03:00.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: that's mod-perl2... |
| 03:00.26 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: yes. |
| 03:00.28 | Danamania | dondelelcaro: yeah - then went on my spare machine and it's working perfectly. |
| 03:00.35 | abrotman | yes .. where the ABI is different from 2.0 ? |
| 03:00.40 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: dock of what? |
| 03:00.43 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: hrm... exact same modules and same code? |
| 03:00.50 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: oddly enough, I saw the US poet laureate in a coffeehouse tonight. |
| 03:01.00 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: did you get a date? |
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| 03:01.16 | Danamania | dondelelcaro: I did - where would core dumps be? |
| 03:01.28 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: cwd... |
| 03:01.33 | Danamania | dondelelcaro: aye - same versions on both |
| 03:01.35 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: well, generally anyway. |
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| 03:02.07 | Danamania | oh. if I exit that shell will it stop that from working? |
| 03:02.21 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: nah |
| 03:02.24 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: did you get my last message? |
| 03:02.33 | Danamania | ok. no core dumps yet then. |
| 03:02.38 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: the other consideration is that the user needs to be able to write to that directory |
| 03:02.59 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: some poet you got a date with ? |
| 03:03.08 | vorlon | !lart Rizzer for giving -private no love |
| 03:03.10 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: if you can, try an apache -X; to see if you can get that to segfault with |
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| 03:03.20 | vorlon | ;) |
| 03:03.50 | peterS | he doesn't love -private? |
| 03:03.56 | gravity | Who doesn't? |
| 03:04.03 | peterS | vorlon says Rizzer doesn't |
| 03:04.07 | gravity | [VAC] 4 EVA |
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| 03:04.42 | isleshocky77 | Hello room |
| 03:04.48 | gravity | channel :-) |
| 03:04.55 | abrotman | folder? |
| 03:05.09 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: this isn't production, right? |
| 03:05.09 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58410-2004Aug11.html |
| 03:05.09 | isleshocky77 | If anyone has ever used LinNeighborhood you know you can get a windows computer name from the ip address. |
| 03:05.14 | isleshocky77 | How do I do this from a shell? |
| 03:05.23 | vorlon | hello doily |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | !crabpastesmite peterS |
| 03:05.32 | dondelelcaro | isleshocky77: using smbclient -Ifooip -L |
| 03:05.40 | Rizzer | vorlon: ouch, did you have to do it with an *AOL* cd? what's next, Britney Spears? |
| 03:05.41 | peterS | isleshocky77: a simple matter of 'nmblookup -A a.b.c.d' yeah |
| 03:05.48 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: he's so old! |
| 03:05.49 | Danamania | dondelelcaro: technically yes, but not that important. |
| 03:05.56 | vorlon | Rizzer: you'll have to ask the bot's random owner |
| 03:06.01 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: ok, just because that's single threaded... |
| 03:06.13 | TraceGreen | Hello, i want find all *.c files but not in temp directory: find . -name '*.c' -path "./temp" -prune -o -print, but it seems not work, any ideas? |
| 03:06.20 | ke6isf | LinNeighborhood... Is that a linspire utility? |
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| 03:06.26 | sgeigerbot | grr. |
| 03:06.30 | gravity | ke6isf: Nope. It's general. |
| 03:06.33 | vorlon | ke6isf: no. |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you need a new ISP :) |
| 03:06.34 | mwilson | hmmm... dspam upgrade... |
| 03:06.34 | sgeigerbot | I hope I'm not the only one getting bumped... |
| 03:06.38 | peterS | TraceGreen: \( -path './temp' -prune \) -o print |
| 03:06.39 | ke6isf | OK, just checking |
| 03:06.52 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you appear to be |
| 03:06.52 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: do you mean, you see me get bumped? |
| 03:07.05 | abrotman | <-- sgeigerbot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 03:07.15 | peterS | sgeigerbot: you sure seem to be the only one |
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| 03:07.46 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ok. I'm trying out an SSH tunnel to tunnel all my Internet traffic. I bet this has something to do with it. I wonder what I can do. (I've set up an ssh+ppp vpn.) |
| 03:08.03 | Danamania | dondelelcaro: that's OK - couldn't run TOO much worse than it has been at the end of the day with a bunch of cpu-chewing apache processes. |
| 03:08.06 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: have any ideas? |
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| 03:08.19 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: see if they are perfect intervals .. could be a firewall thingie in the middle |
| 03:08.21 | dephi | What's up with the experimental archive? I've been getting a lot of bip errors fetching the Packages files |
| 03:08.28 | TraceGreen | peterS, find . -name '*.c' \( -path './temp' -prune \) -o -print, also don't work, it searches ./temp also, |
| 03:08.29 | peterS | sgeigerbot: ssh + ppp is not good news because you end up doing TCP over TCP, and the TCP congestion control algorithms aren't really suited for being run on top of each other |
| 03:09.04 | peterS | TraceGreen: not sure then, that looks reasonable to me. let me have a look at the manpage |
| 03:09.33 | abrotman | dephi: they're .. experimental? |
| 03:09.36 | isleshocky77 | The smbclient is giving me a usage error when I try what you told me. |
| 03:09.40 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks so much!! |
| 03:09.46 | isleshocky77 | smbclient -I192.168.1.106 -L |
| 03:09.51 | peterS | TraceGreen: the manpage says to use -wholename rather than -path ... it even gives an example quite similar to the one you tried at first |
| 03:09.57 | dephi | abrotman: the packages sure, bit the Packages.b2 file? |
| 03:10.06 | peterS | TraceGreen: also, put -name '*.c' after -wholename rather than before |
| 03:10.09 | dephi | zsorry my "letter after y" doesn't work |
| 03:10.15 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Right. I've actually heard that before. I wonder, is there another simple alternative to PPP that doesn't require using TCP? I kind of like this simple VPN setup I have. |
| 03:10.26 | abrotman | dephi: the Packages.gz ? |
| 03:10.44 | peterS | sgeigerbot: openvpn and tinc are both reasonably easy to set up. I actually haven't tried to set up openvpn but it's supposed to be not that hard |
| 03:10.51 | TraceGreen | peterS, -wholename? |
| 03:10.52 | peterS | sgeigerbot: tinc took me about 30 minutes including all the RTFM |
| 03:10.54 | dephi | abrotman: Packages.bz2 |
| 03:11.13 | peterS | TraceGreen: find . -wholename './temp' -prune -o -name '*.c' -print |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | dephi: i don't see a Packages.bz2 |
| 03:11.32 | vorlon | isleshocky77: space between the -I and the IP |
| 03:11.35 | peterS | sgeigerbot: but openvpn is said to be quite a bit more solid, crypto-wise |
| 03:11.43 | dephi | abrotman: wait; I get a bzip error but I download a gip file |
| 03:11.54 | abrotman | odd .. why aren't there -amd64 packages for experimental? |
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| 03:12.05 | dephi | abrotman: why's apt trying to use bzip? |
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| 03:12.13 | TraceGreen | peterS, so strange, i don't have parameter -wholename |
| 03:12.15 | peterS | they don't use ssh, they use their own UDP packets, and at least for tinc, it uses TCP for out-of-band control info |
| 03:12.17 | abrotman | dephi: that would be odd :) |
| 03:12.21 | vorlon | isleshocky77: sorry, actually you do want the nmblookup -A <IP>, and that will give you a netbios name that lets you do smbclient -I <IP> -L <netbios_name> |
| 03:12.22 | sgeigerbot | peterS: right, that's what I have heard. |
| 03:12.24 | peterS | TraceGreen: are you running debian? |
| 03:12.31 | peterS | TraceGreen: in debian, 'man find' talks all about it |
| 03:12.32 | TraceGreen | peterS, yes. |
| 03:12.36 | isleshocky77 | vorlon I tried that. |
| 03:12.39 | isleshocky77 | oh ok. |
| 03:12.43 | dondelelcaro | TraceGreen: well, you could also just use find . -name temp -prune -o name '*.c' -print |
| 03:12.44 | dephi | abrotman: yeah |
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| 03:12.58 | isleshocky77 | yeah, that one worked.. but for the one I'm trying to see what's wrong, I get a no response.. even though I can ping the address. |
| 03:13.03 | dondelelcaro | Danamania: yeah, hopefully that will give you some idea as to what exactly is getting screwed up there |
| 03:13.05 | isleshocky77 | But it worked with other machines I have. |
| 03:13.16 | TraceGreen | peterS, i have checked it |
| 03:13.25 | peterS | isleshocky77: probably also works with 'smbclient -I {ip address} -L "*SMBSERVER"' but I have not tried this |
| 03:13.35 | TraceGreen | dondelelcaro, the way you told me is wrong style. |
| 03:13.46 | peterS | TraceGreen: oh, could be a recent addition to findutils. I'm running unstable. try with -path but put the -name after the -o |
| 03:14.05 | dondelelcaro | TraceGreen: should be -name instead of name |
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| 03:14.20 | peterS | isleshocky77: "*SMBSERVER" is a special windows hack for not having to know the server name so you can connect by IP number |
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| 03:14.32 | isleshocky77 | oh |
| 03:14.36 | isleshocky77 | good to know. |
| 03:14.47 | TraceGreen | peterS, thanks. find . -path './temp' -prune -o -name '*.c' -print |
| 03:14.58 | peterS | samba supports it too, if only for the incidental reason that it doesn't particularly care about the name the client wants to call it |
| 03:15.03 | TraceGreen | dondelelcaro, thanks!! |
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| 03:15.05 | isleshocky77 | do you know what the four pieces of information actually are that smbclient returns. |
| 03:15.10 | isleshocky77 | It looks like |
| 03:15.12 | peterS | TraceGreen: does that work? it should |
| 03:15.12 | sgeigerbot | isleshocky77: if you have konqueror there: smb://<host> ...or perhaps you can use fish:// for smb |
| 03:15.13 | Danamania | righto. ran it as apache -X and browsed around - suddenly quit on me (though with no mention of a segfault), and no core dump |
| 03:15.17 | isleshocky77 | Name |
| 03:15.17 | isleshocky77 | workgroup |
| 03:15.17 | isleshocky77 | Name |
| 03:15.17 | isleshocky77 | Workgroup |
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| 03:15.43 | sgeigerbot | isleshocky77: wait, fish is for ssh. |
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| 03:15.49 | zinx | you can find out the name of the host, by the way |
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| 03:15.55 | AP03 | can anyone help configuring centrino stepping? |
| 03:15.57 | zinx | nmblookup -U ip -A ip |
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| 03:16.03 | peterS | zinx: we know, we told him about nmblookup -A already |
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| 03:16.08 | zinx | :x |
| 03:16.20 | peterS | zinx: vorlon and I are actually both former samba hackers, to different degrees |
| 03:16.28 | isleshocky77 | Sorry to everyone, didn't realize I couldn't do that. |
| 03:16.38 | ke6isf | isleshocky77: *TILT* |
| 03:16.55 | abrotman | peterS: you freely admit that? |
| 03:17.14 | peterS | abrotman: I haven't touched the samba codebase enough to change its fundamental shape. I have nothing to be ashamed of there (: |
| 03:17.32 | TraceGreen | peterS, yes, it is work. |
| 03:17.38 | abrotman | peterS: but you could be the root of all my problems! |
| 03:17.52 | peterS | abrotman: I might be |
| 03:17.52 | AP03 | can anyone help configuring centrino stepping? |
| 03:18.07 | peterS | abrotman: more likely vorlon is. he has touched the codebase a great deal more than I have |
| 03:18.12 | zinx | peterS: i've only used the code to do a local network scanner ;) |
| 03:18.17 | amphi | AP03: what's the problem? |
| 03:18.31 | AP03 | amphi: when i do cat /proc/cpuinfo it seems to be running at full steam always |
| 03:18.47 | AP03 | amphi: i thought i config'd it right in menuconfig but is there any other way to check |
| 03:18.56 | abrotman | peterS: hrm .. it could be possible he is the root of all evil! :) |
| 03:19.32 | peterS | abrotman: possible. not too likely. |
| 03:19.44 | abrotman | peterS: anywhere to place the blame! :) |
| 03:20.35 | peterS | AP03: /proc/cpuinfo won't tell you the current CPU speed, I don't think |
| 03:20.36 | amphi | AP03: what governor are you using? |
| 03:20.52 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 03:20.52 | dpkg | [cpufreq] a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
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| 03:21.17 | mwilson | Ah, new dspam goodness.... |
| 03:21.18 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: because I nick'ed to it for a while |
| 03:21.24 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 03:21.32 | AP03 | amphi: powersave governor |
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| 03:21.46 | mwilson | Someday Debian will package dspam. |
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| 03:22.01 | mwilson | I'm not holding my breath, but someday they will. |
| 03:22.03 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah .. he'd been like that for a while iir |
| 03:22.05 | abrotman | iirc |
| 03:22.05 | mebaran151 | how do I get vsftpd to play nice with ssl |
| 03:22.10 | amphi | AP03: I use the userspace governor and have an acpid script switch to slow speed on battery |
| 03:22.10 | abrotman | mwilson: i thought it already was |
| 03:22.12 | abrotman | !dspam |
| 03:22.12 | dpkg | dspam is probably An extremely scalable, open-source statistical anti-spam filter. http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/ |
| 03:22.18 | mebaran151 | I am getting an error that vsftpd cannot generate a certificate |
| 03:22.25 | AP03 | amphi: are you familiar with the cpufreq menuconfig options? |
| 03:22.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, they just set up the autoban stuff, so you have to go mode +6 if you want to receive messages from non +e users. |
| 03:22.48 | peterS | mebaran151: you're running ftp with ssl? why? |
| 03:22.52 | mwilson | gravity: dspam makes SA look like "an extremely simple shell script." :) |
| 03:22.58 | gravity | Heh, cool |
| 03:23.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah .. but +6 doesn't work .. and -6 isn't a valid mode :) |
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| 03:23.07 | mebaran151 | peterS, I think it will be faster than sftp |
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| 03:23.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: /quote my boy... |
| 03:23.22 | mebaran151 | peterS, and the greater question is ... why not! |
| 03:23.27 | nullman | speaking of spam... anyone with an antispam recommendation? i'm finding that i need one these days and haven't tried any yet |
| 03:23.30 | abrotman | mwilson: have you tried dcc?(though admittedly .. probably wouldn't work anymore) |
| 03:23.34 | nvz | thats a scary thought.. nuclear elephants |
| 03:23.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh .. oh well |
| 03:23.48 | peterS | abrotman: /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 03:23.50 | mebaran151 | nvz, nuclear elephants and explosive pigeons! |
| 03:24.00 | amphi | AP03: I don't recall them now - you could try the ondemand governor perhaps |
| 03:24.10 | ke6isf | nullman: spamassassin is good, I hear. |
| 03:24.11 | abrotman | bah .. why doesn't freenode sheild me from naked women!! |
| 03:24.19 | mwilson | Right out of the box, dspam is excellent. Once you get it trained, it's even better. |
| 03:24.33 | nvz | abrotman: what have you got against naked women? |
| 03:24.37 | amphi | AP03: gkrellm reports the freq changing, I assume it gets the info from /proc, but I don't know where |
| 03:24.45 | mebaran151 | amphi |
| 03:24.45 | nullman | ke6isf: i've heard that too; i'll take a look at it, thx |
| 03:24.48 | abrotman | nvz: says the guy who peeks at the minor across the street ... |
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| 03:24.55 | peterS | nvz: maybe the point is what naked women have got against abrotman. he is seeking protection from *them*, after all |
| 03:24.56 | mebaran151 | it's in the sys tree |
| 03:25.02 | mwilson | I have it keeping its stats in mysql, which also works well. Never bothered to implement the CGI part of it, although I'll get around to it someday. |
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| 03:25.09 | mebaran151 | very deeply embedded in sysfs tree |
| 03:25.11 | nvz | abrotman: I wasnt peeking, they were hootin at me all night begging for my attention :P |
| 03:25.22 | abrotman | nvz: right ... |
| 03:25.26 | nvz | abrotman: they are making a regular habbit of it anymore |
| 03:25.33 | nvz | I got some groupies.. I cant help it |
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| 03:25.41 | peterS | nvz: what's this all about? I didn't hear that story |
| 03:25.52 | abrotman | nvz: they regularly flash you now ? |
| 03:26.02 | nvz | abrotman: no they hoot and hollar at me out the window |
| 03:26.05 | abrotman | nvz: and you see .. the problem is still that they are under 18 |
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| 03:26.33 | peterS | abrotman: no no no. the problem is that they're under an age of being reasonable human beings to associate with. this is usually quite a bit over 18 |
| 03:26.45 | nvz | abrotman: thats their problem not mine. if they were 18 they would be able to come outside and hoot |
| 03:26.48 | Guerin | !peterS++ |
| 03:26.49 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
| 03:27.00 | abrotman | nvz: no .. that's being lewd |
| 03:27.09 | amphi | mebaran151: are you sure? |
| 03:27.14 | mebaran151 | yep |
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| 03:27.49 | cokeblood | hi mates! i want to ask you a weird thing just before i go to bed: it's possible to create a link on my desktop which will open a gnome terminal resized to a size i want, and with a command pre-typed? (without altering the normal terminal i use to run commands) |
| 03:27.51 | mebaran151 | amphi, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
| 03:28.04 | Guerin | ah, another korea story on /. - another raft of people asking omg duz ne1 no if this iz north or south korea!!????!?!?! |
| 03:28.13 | Manoj_ | speaking of antispam measures, I am a fan of MIMEDefang (a milter) + direct calls to SA lib + crm114 _> feeding mailagent for classification |
| 03:28.28 | Guerin | mimedefang is good |
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| 03:28.45 | nvz | abrotman: don't be jelous cause I am the new teen icon around here.. I havent hit your neighborhood you still have a chance |
| 03:28.56 | gravity | heh |
| 03:29.19 | abrotman | nvz: uhm .. the 'girls' in my neighborhood .. are young enough thhey don't know who the Power Rangers are |
| 03:29.21 | Manoj_ | crm114 took soem fine tuning, but I am extremely satosfoed with it. The combination of SA scores and crm114 has reduced my spam from about 700 a day to about 7 a week, and no false positives in about 6 months of manual checking |
| 03:29.39 | nvz | abrotman: thats a shame.. those lame power ragers still get air time you know |
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| 03:29.54 | abrotman | nvz: are you serious? |
| 03:30.00 | Guerin | cokeblood: xterm -sizeoptions -e "command &" |
| 03:30.02 | abrotman | nvz: you have wwwaaay tooo much free time :) |
| 03:30.05 | peterS | abrotman: it frightens me somewhat that you know these girls well enough to know that they don't know the power rangers |
| 03:30.06 | Manoj_ | oh, I also use selective greylisting of messages not known to be good (and not known to be spam), which also helps |
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| 03:30.26 | abrotman | peterS: they catch the bus the same time i go to work .. |
| 03:30.31 | abrotman | peterS: the school bus |
| 03:30.39 | Guerin | heh, power rangers are still a big hit in korea to this day |
| 03:30.52 | peterS | do they call you uncle tait? |
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| 03:30.54 | Guerin | abrotman: you ride the scjhool bus to work! |
| 03:30.57 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:31.02 | abrotman | peterS: no .. |
| 03:31.04 | nvz | the short bus |
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| 03:31.05 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. the short bus |
| 03:31.08 | Guerin | ... |
| 03:31.09 | nvz | heh |
| 03:31.14 | peterS | ha, nvz and abrotman think alike |
| 03:31.17 | ke6isf | ROTFL... |
| 03:31.19 | cokeblood | thanks guerin |
| 03:31.21 | abrotman | peterS: they don't talk to me .. i'm the weird guy in the neighborhood |
| 03:31.36 | drew_ | does anyone know how I can reconfigure my xorg.conf? like, what command is it? |
| 03:31.45 | peterS | drew_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:31.45 | TimFreeman | I installed gcc 2.95, installed gcc 3.3.4, uninstalled gcc 3.3.4, and now there is no "gcc" on my path. How do I persuade apt that gcc 2.95 is the right one and the gcc symlink should point there? |
| 03:31.51 | ke6isf | abrotman: Hey, we all know that us Linux freaks are a bunch of weirdos... |
| 03:31.53 | drew_ | peterS ok thanks |
| 03:32.14 | abrotman | ke6isf: it's the debian .. not the linux :) |
| 03:32.17 | peterS | TimFreeman: you can't. /usr/bin/gcc is set by the debian packages, it's not negotiable locally |
| 03:32.26 | ke6isf | abrotman: DEBIAN IS TEH EBIL. |
| 03:32.29 | peterS | TimFreeman: what you *can* do is ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-2.95 /usr/local/bin/gcc |
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| 03:32.46 | abrotman | ke6isf: no .. #debian :) |
| 03:32.59 | TimFreeman | peterS: Okay, I can do that. Thanks. |
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| 03:33.01 | Manoj_ | TimFreeman, update-alternatives --config gcc ? |
| 03:33.02 | ke6isf | abrotman: Oh... point. Well, we're in good company then. |
| 03:33.20 | Guerin | gcc isn't run by alternatives any more |
| 03:33.26 | TimFreeman | Manoj_: peterS seems to be right, it says "No alternatives for gcc". |
| 03:33.58 | Guerin | TimFreeman: you can also just export CC in your profile or such |
| 03:33.59 | Manoj_ | TimFreeman, darn. Sorry about that, i should have checked |
| 03:34.16 | mwilson | Guerin: Hasn't ever been, IIRC. |
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| 03:34.36 | ke6isf | sarge users, ntp is on the security updates tonight. Get it while it's hot. |
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| 03:34.59 | Guerin | mwilson: i don't recall it being, but someonme told me it was pre-woody |
| 03:35.04 | m2 | ke6isf: ntp? remote? |
| 03:35.17 | nvz | whats a whirlyGig? |
| 03:35.27 | BibTeX | hello |
| 03:35.29 | piem | ke6isf: yep, ntpdate updated. i wonder who runs an ntp *server* though :) |
| 03:35.31 | ke6isf | m2: Just everything related to ntp, looks like. |
| 03:35.36 | BibTeX | I do not have a /dev/fd0 |
| 03:35.42 | BibTeX | what shoud I do to have it |
| 03:35.43 | BibTeX | ? |
| 03:35.45 | cokeblood | ok mates i'm going! see you |
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| 03:35.47 | ke6isf | piem: I know one guy up in Oakland who does, and I sync off of him. That's about it. |
| 03:36.01 | Manoj_ | dlocate /usr/bin/gcc shows that the package gcc is responsible for the /usr/bin/gcc link |
| 03:36.06 | Guerin | ke6isf: i know pool.ntp.org |
| 03:36.17 | mwilson | Manoj_: But it's a simple symlink, not an alternative. |
| 03:36.29 | Manoj_ | gcc-x.XY provide the concrete packages |
| 03:36.32 | ke6isf | I just do it out of habit - I couldn't get anything reliable when I was running Mandreck up until June, and just held on to the address. |
| 03:36.36 | Manoj_ | mwilson, quite. |
| 03:36.44 | mwilson | TimFreeman: Why in the world have you done what you've done to the box? |
| 03:37.00 | Manoj_ | mwilson, had it been an alternative, it would not show up in dlocate |
| 03:37.16 | ke6isf | m2: What bug number? |
| 03:37.31 | TimFreeman | Which box do you mean? I just want to compile a Linux kernel and it seems you need 2.95.x for kernel 2.4.31. |
| 03:37.47 | litage | after creating a new partition and ext3 filesystem on it, why is the directory "lost+found" created on that partition? |
| 03:37.58 | piem | Manoj_: sorry already pinged you on about that, but how do you generate your baz+dot graphs? |
| 03:38.00 | m2 | ke6isf: oh, not a BTS bug, just the NTP bug... CAN-2005-2496 |
| 03:38.19 | Guerin | litage: so lost and found files and fragments can go there |
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| 03:38.32 | Guerin | litage: in the case of data corruption, that's where you'll find your shit |
| 03:38.38 | Guerin | some of it |
| 03:38.42 | litage | ah i see |
| 03:38.43 | litage | thanks |
| 03:38.50 | mwilson | TimFreeman: You'd be wrong, but why in the world would you go through all those gyrations just to build a kernel, vs just using the correct compiler? Not like it's hard to modify the Makefile, or pass an env variable, or if you're a kernel-package user I'm sure it can be told what to use. Manoj would know. |
| 03:39.07 | Manoj_ | TimFreeman, looking at the various gcc packages, apparently what works best is to use aptitude, install gcc, and let the various gcc-X.YY packages be installed and removed automatically. Failing that, one may install additional gcc packages, but always taking care not to remove the one that the default gcc package points to. |
| 03:39.28 | gentoothreefour | lo |
| 03:39.34 | gentoothreefour | lol |
| 03:39.36 | gentoothreefour | hey jeys |
| 03:39.48 | GoatRoby | I have Rox-Filer installed, but it complains about missing theme engine 'pixmap' ... i am trying to use a gtk2 theme and can't find pixmap engine for gtk2 (though there is one for gtk) on apt database, any ideas? |
| 03:39.52 | nvz | I just realized why you should not install too many firefox extensions at once.. makes it hard to figure out which one is annoying the shit out of you |
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| 03:40.09 | mwilson | nvz: That's easy... they all do. |
| 03:40.11 | Manoj_ | piem, oh. I use a package not yet in debian, called rcsgraph, which produces dot files |
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| 03:40.38 | Guerin | GoatRoby: does it work anyway? |
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| 03:40.54 | Guerin | GoatRoby: i get complaints like that from several gtk apps, which all work fine; so I ignore them. |
| 03:41.01 | piem | Manoj_: ok, i will take a look thanks. they look great :-) |
| 03:41.02 | GoatRoby | Guerin: yes, but i noticed that certain graphical things that used to work back in gentoo don't work here, i.e. mouse-over should give a different button |
| 03:41.03 | Manoj_ | MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95" make-kpkg ... (in case anyone is wondering) |
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| 03:41.08 | nvz | mwilson: some of them are pretty cool, they save you alot of greif. I've only installed 15 and so far disabled two of them |
| 03:41.21 | sgeigerbot | Sometimes I hvae noticed that in Thundeerbird I will have difficulties pasting into the To line, but then I can paste into the body of the message. After doing that, then I can paste into the to line. Is that a bug with Thunderbird, or does that have something to do with how the clipboard works? |
| 03:41.25 | Manoj_ | piem, I think I founf rcsgraph on sourceforge |
| 03:41.33 | gravity | I ought to look in to generating spiffy graphs with mercurial |
| 03:41.34 | mwilson | Manoj_: I wasn't. :) |
| 03:41.39 | Guerin | Manoj_: ah, I always forget that one ... and plain CC doesn't work |
| 03:41.43 | GoatRoby | Guerin: doh, i guess i can live with ignoring the errors :) |
| 03:41.55 | GoatRoby | Guerin: i can survive that is, would be nice if it worked instead ;) |
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| 03:42.04 | nvz | sgeigerbot: I'd say its either a bug in thunderbird or maybe a focus problem |
| 03:42.18 | Manoj_ | Guerin, it is in make-kpkg(1) man page, the next time you need to use it |
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| 03:43.04 | Guerin | GoatRoby: well, it should work, even if it IS gtk2 |
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| 03:43.40 | Guerin | Manoj_: yeah, i have used it ... i just never can remember it when helping people in here |
| 03:43.46 | iXiiON | does an complete java install pack exsit ? |
| 03:43.52 | Guerin | iXiiON: /topic |
| 03:43.59 | iXiiON | is did |
| 03:44.00 | iXiiON | i |
| 03:44.23 | Guerin | iXiiON: so follow the instructions regarding java that you read there |
| 03:44.26 | mwilson | iXiiON: And...? |
| 03:44.50 | iXiiON | i had found artikels on google about deb sources including the while java shit |
| 03:44.53 | piem | Manoj_: seems to be at unununium.org/~indigo/2004 |
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| 03:45.09 | Manoj_ | piem, oh. That does sound familiar |
| 03:45.14 | Guerin | iXiiON: eh...? |
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| 03:45.29 | iXiiON | but they dont have it anymore |
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| 03:45.41 | Guerin | !java |
| 03:45.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 03:45.44 | GoatRoby | Guerin: i think the problem is that the pixmap engine for gtk2 is missing from apt is all, wonder why the gtk one is there but gtk2 one is not |
| 03:45.46 | mwilson | iXiiON: Yes, so you follow the directions you were given. |
| 03:45.46 | Guerin | iXiiON: there |
| 03:45.48 | iXiiON | not while , = whole |
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| 03:46.05 | Guerin | GoatRoby: perhaps so. I have no idea. |
| 03:46.31 | Manoj_ | baz abrowse srivasta@debian.org--etch | grep devo- | while read i; do /usr/bin/rcsgraph -i tla srivasta@debian.org--etch/$i -o dot >dot/$i.dot; dot -Tpng -o $i.png <dot/$i.dot; done |
| 03:46.44 | Guerin | iXiiON: there are debian sources for java packages; blackdown mostly. But it's saner to make your own using the instructions in the "install java" factoid. Go read. |
| 03:46.44 | nvz | I need to invent something that statically charges my screen and zapps bugs if they try land on it. nothing more annoying than a bug on the screen |
| 03:47.33 | iXiiON | hm |
| 03:48.12 | Manoj_ | I have started using make-jpkg to create a debian package from stuff I download from sun or ibm directly |
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| 03:48.14 | drew_ | can anyone help me? I need to be able to remove the lines from GRUB so it can't boot debian, but it still needs to be able to boot windows xp. Is this possible? Even if I remove debian? |
| 03:48.30 | drew_ | (grub is on the MBR btw) |
| 03:48.32 | gravity | Manoj_: Isn't that what java-package is for? |
| 03:48.45 | mwilson | Guerin: <sigh> He wants the pixbuf engine. |
| 03:48.48 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah, java-package contains make-jpkg |
| 03:48.55 | Manoj_ | drew_, as long as you retain the /boot/grub directory (or wherever you have the fgrub stuff), ou can boot just windows |
| 03:48.57 | gravity | Ah |
| 03:49.05 | dondelelcaro | the java-package factoid explains that, iirc. |
| 03:49.12 | gravity | Heh, I've never used java-package before |
| 03:49.13 | drew_ | Manoj_ where would I put it though? |
| 03:49.13 | dondelelcaro | !java-package |
| 03:49.13 | dpkg | it has been said that java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 03:49.15 | Guerin | drew_: if you want to get rid of debian altogether, reinstall a windows mbr with fdisk /mbr (IN A WINDOWS SHELL) |
| 03:49.17 | Manoj_ | drew_, but that means you can't just nuke the linux partition in which the grub dir lives |
| 03:49.20 | Guerin | bah, stupid caps |
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| 03:49.40 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to play Chex Quest with prboom or lxdoom? neither of them like the .WAD files. |
| 03:49.49 | drew_ | Guerin, what's the command? |
| 03:49.51 | dondelelcaro | drew_: there's also an mbr package that contains one that you can write out using dd too. |
| 03:49.58 | Guerin | drew_: fdisk /mbr |
| 03:50.01 | zinx | SerajewelKS: What do you mean they don't like wad files? |
| 03:50.03 | Guerin | drew_: in windows |
| 03:50.05 | Guerin | as i said |
| 03:50.09 | drew_ | Guerin, you are sure this will work? |
| 03:50.11 | zinx | SerajewelKS: they like them just fine :E |
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| 03:50.25 | Guerin | drew_: read the help for fdisk first - i think it's fdisk /h |
| 03:50.31 | zinx | SerajewelKS: which -option are you using to load the .wad(s)? |
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| 03:50.43 | Guerin | drew_: and no, i'm not prepared to guarantee that it will work perfectly |
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| 03:51.22 | JorgXP | Hola, hay una conferencia actualmente si desean asistir, indíquenme ésta inquietud en privado para decirles el canal. Gracias |
| 03:51.38 | dondelelcaro | !es |
| 03:51.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:51.46 | nvz | JorgXP: we speak english in #debian try #debian-es. |
| 03:51.59 | SerajewelKS | zinx, -iwad |
| 03:52.00 | JorgXP | thnx |
| 03:52.04 | Onizeth | how may I reconfigure exim? |
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| 03:52.20 | Manoj_ | dpkg-reconfigure exim4 ? |
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| 03:52.21 | zinx | SerajewelKS: hmmm |
| 03:52.22 | Jarrell | hello to all |
| 03:52.23 | SerajewelKS | zinx, prboom -iwad CHEX.WAD says CheckIWAD: IWAD tag CHEX.WAD not present |
| 03:52.23 | Guerin | Onizeth: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 03:52.39 | Manoj_ | Onizeth, what guerin said |
| 03:52.41 | Jarrell | i need somebody to please help me |
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| 03:52.46 | zinx | SerajewelKS: what does file CHEX.WAD say? |
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| 03:52.53 | gravity | Jarrell: Just ask your question. If someone can help you they will. |
| 03:53.00 | SerajewelKS | zinx, CHEX.WAD: DOOM data, patch wad unknown junk |
| 03:53.14 | Jarrell | okay well I wanted somebody to basically help me get the basic server configured and what not |
| 03:53.15 | Onizeth | ok, thx |
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| 03:53.21 | Jarrell | and needed somebody who knows what they doing |
| 03:53.27 | mwilson | "the basic server"? |
| 03:53.38 | zinx | SerajewelKS: then it's not an iwad |
| 03:53.41 | SerajewelKS | zinx, there are two .WADs, neither of them work with -iwad |
| 03:53.51 | zinx | SerajewelKS: use uh, -file i think it is |
| 03:53.55 | SerajewelKS | if i use -file with both of them, then it complains about missing textures |
| 03:53.58 | mwilson | Apparently there's only one kind of server in the world. |
| 03:54.03 | zinx | SerajewelKS: try with one of them? :E |
| 03:54.07 | dondelelcaro | Jarrell: you're going to have to ask us an actual question... what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 03:54.11 | zinx | SerajewelKS: you still need the doom v1.9 iwad |
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| 03:54.24 | drew_ | can someone give me a link to a good site with a tutorial on how to make a GRUB boot floppy? |
| 03:54.28 | SerajewelKS | zinx, that wad doesn't come with chex quest.. how the hell would chex quest work without it hen? |
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| 03:54.32 | SerajewelKS | then* |
| 03:54.35 | Jarrell | install mail server |
| 03:54.39 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it wouldn't. |
| 03:54.47 | dondelelcaro | Jarrell: apt-get install postfix; or apt-get install exim4; |
| 03:54.53 | zinx | SerajewelKS: you need the doom iwad :E |
| 03:54.56 | mwilson | Ew, not exim4 |
| 03:54.58 | SerajewelKS | zinx, well it does O_o (on windows anyway) |
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| 03:55.06 | SerajewelKS | zinx, it comes with ZDOOM.WAD |
| 03:55.14 | WiFiTux | How can I set a bin to be setuid root? |
| 03:55.15 | SerajewelKS | zinx, which isn't an IWAD either apparently |
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| 03:55.19 | gravity | chex quest? |
| 03:55.23 | Guerin | WiFiTux: if you need to ask, you shouldn't |
| 03:55.23 | mwilson | Not that there's anything wrong with Exim, but you need an advanced degree in obscure to understand how Debian controls the configuration. |
| 03:55.25 | gravity | A cereal box game? |
| 03:55.26 | Jarrell | ok mwilson dont get exim? |
| 03:55.30 | Guerin | WiFiTux: info coreutils chmod |
| 03:55.35 | mwilson | No, get Exim if it's what you want to use. |
| 03:55.35 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it works without the doom iwad? :o |
| 03:55.39 | SerajewelKS | zinx, it also comes with zdoom.exe |
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| 03:55.44 | Jarrell | i dont know the difference |
| 03:55.47 | vorlon | dondelelcaro: JorgXP appears to be soliciting anyway, I don't imagine it's on-topic for #debian-es either. |
| 03:55.49 | Jarrell | i need something thats going to work |
| 03:55.52 | WiFiTux | Guerin: ah ok, chmod is the setuid root then. |
| 03:55.52 | SerajewelKS | zinx, i can pastebin the files if that would help |
| 03:55.57 | SerajewelKS | file list that is |
| 03:55.57 | WiFiTux | setuid |
| 03:55.57 | mwilson | They're all "going to work". |
| 03:56.03 | Guerin | WiFiTux: ? |
| 03:56.18 | dondelelcaro | vorlon: could be; but I figured they at least would be able to parse it |
| 03:56.25 | zinx | SerajewelKS: maybe try ultimate chex quest instead? :) |
| 03:56.29 | Jarrell | are you sure cuz I sent mail to root@hostname and got nothing at all |
| 03:56.29 | gravity | Jarrell: You should probably look at the docs for a few of them to see what looks most appealing |
| 03:56.30 | Guerin | Jarrell: when in doubt, use the defailt - which, in debian, is exim4 |
| 03:56.32 | zinx | SerajewelKS: http://www.doomlegends.com/chexquest/tucq.html |
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| 03:56.41 | SerajewelKS | zinx, http://pastebin.ca/22213 |
| 03:56.45 | WiFiTux | Guerin: yeah, basically I want to allow all users to be able to use the /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector to change the CPU speed, therefore I need to set it to setuid root? |
| 03:56.58 | Jarrell | can u direct me to the docs cuz thats what I was tryna do too |
| 03:57.10 | Jarrell | look at the docs to see what appealed to meet my needs |
| 03:57.13 | gravity | Jarrell: Just google for exim. They're online. |
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| 03:57.27 | gravity | Jarrell: There's also postfix, which is very popular. The docs are also online. |
| 03:57.27 | Guerin | me goes searching for peterS' Why Exim4 speech |
| 03:57.29 | SerajewelKS | zinx, nevertheless will try that link |
| 03:57.30 | a4techm | hehehe |
| 03:57.45 | peterS | Guerin: I don't remember a Why Exim4 speech, must've been someone else |
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| 03:57.49 | WiFiTux | Guerin: does it sound coherent? |
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| 03:57.59 | zinx | SerajewelKS: my guess is it uses some different default sounds/textures for the menus |
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| 03:58.05 | SerajewelKS | zinx, that requires the doom wad too =/ |
| 03:58.08 | peterS | Guerin: oh, *that* one |
| 03:58.09 | peterS | (: |
| 03:58.10 | gobooga | hi all |
| 03:58.11 | zinx | SerajewelKS: i know :/ |
| 03:58.14 | Jarrell | k well I will try to do the postfix....but if it doesnt work for me again could I please get some help on getting it installed right? |
| 03:58.35 | gobooga | does anyone in here use WindowMaker? |
| 03:58.43 | zinx | SerajewelKS: grep the prboom source for the missing textures/sounds |
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| 03:59.08 | Jarrell | and what is the link to where it tells me which mail servers are available? |
| 03:59.12 | zinx | SerajewelKS: if they're there, it's the problem.. try either 1) finding a prboom wad, if such a thing exists, or 2) changing the source to not want those textures |
| 03:59.22 | gobooga | i was wondering what would be a good file system viewer to use with windowmaker. any suggestions? hopefully something with the features of nautilus |
| 03:59.55 | SerajewelKS | zinx, maybe it's a zdoom thing? =/ |
| 04:00.13 | SerajewelKS | e.g. a fork of doom not compatible with doom |
| 04:00.13 | zinx | SerajewelKS: that zdoom was probably modified to work with it |
| 04:00.38 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it's most likely substantially compatible, just some small details not the same |
| 04:00.56 | zinx | SerajewelKS: also the newer engines tend to want more textures than were present in the original doom |
| 04:01.12 | SerajewelKS | zinx, yeah well i'm not a guru with this stuff so i have no idea where to even start |
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| 04:01.27 | zinx | SerajewelKS: i gave you two options, start there |
| 04:01.59 | SerajewelKS | zinx, "mod the source" isn't very helpful to someone who doesn't have the slightest clue about doom internals. i've played two doom-based games and that's it. |
| 04:02.03 | zinx | SerajewelKS: prboom does indeed have its own wad file |
| 04:02.22 | SerajewelKS | zinx, well, kinda.. it uses freedoom's wad |
| 04:02.22 | GoatRoby | Guerin: i figured it out, instead of gtk2-engines-pixmap (which does not exist) i installed gtk2-engines-pixbuf which contains the needed engine, try installing that one maybe those pixmap errors will dissapear for you too |
| 04:02.26 | SerajewelKS | i think |
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| 04:02.40 | Guerin | GoatRoby: ah, nice. |
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| 04:02.45 | SerajewelKS | zinx, nevermind, you're right |
| 04:02.45 | Varanger | hello |
| 04:03.00 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: you've probably already seen it, but #195948... |
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| 04:03.02 | Varanger | How can I configure sid to use gcc 3.3.X by default??? |
| 04:03.04 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 195948 |
| 04:03.12 | Varanger | like Gentoo's gcc-config |
| 04:03.13 | dpkg | #195948:W[wnpp] ITP: dspam -- advanced Bayesian anti-spam local delivery agent; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:48:05 UTC |
| 04:03.14 | SerajewelKS | zinx, but it's not an iwad either |
| 04:03.15 | gravity | Varanger: Just change the gcc symlink |
| 04:03.18 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: you don't; set the CC and HOSTCC variables properly in the Makefile. |
| 04:03.19 | gravity | Varanger: And g++ |
| 04:03.20 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it doesn't have to be |
| 04:03.26 | zinx | SerajewelKS: prboom uses data in it |
| 04:03.32 | mwilson | Varanger: You don't. |
| 04:03.32 | SerajewelKS | zinx, prboom -file /usr/share/games/doom/prboom.wad -file CHEX.WAD -file ZDOOM.WAD |
| 04:03.35 | SerajewelKS | R_TextureNumForName: SW1OFF not found |
| 04:03.35 | Varanger | gravity: Thank you |
| 04:03.59 | gravity | Varanger: Setting the variables like dondelelcaro recommends is the right way to do things though |
| 04:04.04 | zinx | SerajewelKS: that's a stock doom texture |
| 04:04.12 | gravity | Varanger: I never change the symlink for more than a single specific time anyway |
| 04:04.14 | zinx | SerajewelKS: i'm afraid you're going to need a doom iwad |
| 04:04.19 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: you almost definetly want things to be building with gcc-4.0 unless there's a very specific bug that you've got to work around; which is why the default is 4.0 |
| 04:04.27 | Varanger | dondeelcaro: but I would have to do that for every Makefile??? |
| 04:04.29 | zinx | SerajewelKS: download the shareware iwad from somewhere |
| 04:04.33 | SerajewelKS | zinx, i wanna know how the hell the windows version works without the wad... |
| 04:04.40 | zinx | SerajewelKS: with any luck, it has enough textures/sounds to get you by |
| 04:04.45 | zinx | SerajewelKS: heck if i know |
| 04:04.51 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: when you want to use gcc-4.0, you just go make CC=gcc-3.3 HOSTCC=gcc-3.3; or whatever is appropriate. |
| 04:04.55 | SerajewelKS | zinx, maybe it's compiled into zdoom.exe? |
| 04:04.56 | dondelelcaro | s/4.0/3.3/ |
| 04:05.02 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it's entirely possible prboom is referencing that texture, i really have no idea. |
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| 04:05.11 | Varanger | dondeelcaro: ALSA is compiled well under GCC 4.0 but later it failed to load the modules |
| 04:05.12 | aliumalik | booyakasha! |
| 04:05.18 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: since most things that won't compile with 4.0 are buggy, you generally are better off fixing the bugs. |
| 04:05.19 | zinx | SerajewelKS: and i'm not going to download prboom just to find out ;) |
| 04:05.27 | SerajewelKS | zinx, is there an official location for the shareware iwad? |
| 04:05.33 | SerajewelKS | zinx, apt-get install prboom =P |
| 04:05.54 | SerajewelKS | it'll pull in freedoom too though =( |
| 04:06.14 | zinx | SerajewelKS: idsoftware.com? *shrug* |
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| 04:06.25 | zinx | SerajewelKS: try google :) |
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| 04:06.53 | SerajewelKS | hrm according to this, the wads that come with chex quest contain Ultimate DooM |
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| 04:07.08 | zinx | SerajewelKS: :/ |
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| 04:07.51 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: in that case, run make HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3; (or if you're using make-kpkg, set MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" |
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| 04:08.17 | jazzmanss | what is the name of an application that interfaces with a digital camera? |
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| 04:08.25 | gravity | gphoto2 |
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| 04:08.51 | jazzmanss | thanks gravity, are there any kde or xfce based apps? |
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| 04:09.05 | gravity | jazzmanss: I don't know, sorry. I don't use either. |
| 04:09.06 | sgeigerbot | jazzmanss: kamera, gtkam, xpcd |
| 04:09.14 | SerajewelKS | zinx, oh that was the 32-bit "remake" of chex quest.. which i don't have apparently |
| 04:09.25 | sgeigerbot | jazzmanss: good luck, though.... |
| 04:09.28 | nvz | jazzmanss: digikam |
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| 04:09.30 | zinx | SerajewelKS: oops. |
| 04:09.33 | jazzmanss | thanks sgeigerbot. |
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| 04:09.53 | zinx | SerajewelKS: well, just find a shareware doom iwad.. i don't think it'll be -too- hard w/ google to help you :) |
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| 04:10.32 | tommy_ | hi everyone |
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| 04:10.55 | SerajewelKS | zinx, google "shareware doom iwad"... wow, first hit |
| 04:11.05 | nvz | I've finally found what I been searching for someone programmed a server-side script I can't get around.. problem is I cant find out who so I can hire them :P |
| 04:11.08 | zinx | SerajewelKS: isn't it a wonderful thing? :) |
| 04:11.26 | SerajewelKS | zinx, sometimes i want to fgi myself |
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| 04:11.52 | zinx | !ops please ban *!n=^bahar^@*.videotron.ca so it stops join/part flooding the channel |
| 04:11.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please ban *!n=^bahar^@*.videotron.ca so it stops join/part flooding the channel |
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| 04:14.29 | SerajewelKS | holy hell, testing got an overhaul |
| 04:14.31 | sgeigerbot | jazzmanss: gdc3play |
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| 04:16.27 | tonsofpcs | ok, can someone help me set up MILO on an EB164 |
| 04:16.29 | tonsofpcs | ?? |
| 04:16.39 | SerajewelKS | zinx, i'm also having trouble with level 2 of freedoom ;) |
| 04:16.58 | tonsofpcs | SerajewelKS - you need to start in the subbasement |
| 04:17.04 | zinx | SerajewelKS: i dunno anything about freedoom :) |
| 04:17.20 | SerajewelKS | tonsofpcs, what? |
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| 04:17.31 | tonsofpcs | lol |
| 04:17.47 | SerajewelKS | i can't get the friggin blue card |
| 04:17.53 | SerajewelKS | i can see it through some bars |
| 04:18.51 | SerajewelKS | oh i also found a green blob thingy, whatever it is, but it's too high up to reach |
| 04:19.05 | SerajewelKS | damn i'm a noob |
| 04:19.13 | SerajewelKS | someone absolve me |
| 04:20.04 | egon_spengler | ego te absolvo |
| 04:20.07 | nvz | oh well nevermind. this fool wasnt as smart as I thought he was.. just took me longer than the normal 10seconds to figure out how to get around his script. :P |
| 04:20.09 | SerajewelKS | zinx, prboom chokes on the demo wad |
| 04:20.20 | zinx | SerajewelKS: even without the others? |
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| 04:20.29 | SerajewelKS | zinx, no, it's fine without the others |
| 04:20.38 | zinx | SerajewelKS: hmm |
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| 04:20.46 | zinx | SerajewelKS: how's it choke then? |
| 04:20.58 | SerajewelKS | zinx, oh wow, it works without zdoom.wad |
| 04:21.01 | SerajewelKS | zinx, brb =) |
| 04:21.03 | zinx | hehe |
| 04:21.14 | SerajewelKS | wtf... "picked up a clip" |
| 04:21.21 | SerajewelKS | don't remember that one =) |
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| 04:22.07 | zinx | SerajewelKS: heh |
| 04:23.14 | CaT[tm] | so does anyone know of a sarge netinst cd where the kernel is > 2.6.8? |
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| 04:24.27 | silec | hello peoples |
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| 04:24.46 | BibTeX | I do not have a /dev/fd0 |
| 04:24.48 | BibTeX | what shoud I do to have it |
| 04:24.49 | BibTeX | ? |
| 04:24.51 | litage | when tarring up a directory that was created by debootstrap (ie: a mini-Debian within a directory), are there any particular tar options i should use? |
| 04:24.52 | silec | just have a question that i cant find an answer to on the web |
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| 04:25.12 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 04:25.18 | SerajewelKS | zinx, it works with a few oddities |
| 04:25.26 | freewoody | What is the package name that contains the "dig" tool ? |
| 04:25.35 | zinx | SerajewelKS: well, all i can say is, try ultimate chex quest :) |
| 04:25.42 | nvz | !find bin/dig$ |
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| 04:25.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dig' (1): (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils. |
| 04:25.55 | SerajewelKS | zinx, the site says it needs doom legacy, the full version |
| 04:26.05 | nvz | freewoody: dnsutils |
| 04:26.05 | zinx | SerajewelKS: *shrug* |
| 04:26.08 | nvz | I should have known that |
| 04:26.20 | zinx | SerajewelKS: doom legacy's just another engine, it may work with prboom |
| 04:26.28 | freewoody | Thanks nvz |
| 04:26.49 | silec | can anybody point me to a list of what is on all 14 iso images by image? |
| 04:26.49 | nvz | I got this php script on my brain.. I am intrigued by the fact that someone stumped me for once.. and I am updating my utilities accordingly |
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| 04:27.43 | silec | anybody? |
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| 04:28.31 | bob2 | don't bother |
| 04:28.35 | bob2 | just use a netinstall |
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| 04:29.17 | silec | can't use net install! debian doesn't recognize my usr modem |
| 04:29.27 | bob2 | haha modem |
| 04:29.35 | bob2 | then get the first cd and set it up to use the modem |
| 04:29.44 | gravity | poor modem users |
| 04:29.55 | bob2 | yeah |
| 04:30.02 | silec | completely not my fault |
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| 04:30.15 | silec | i'm in the army and they got me living in a hotel |
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| 04:30.40 | bob2 | the cd contents is on the web |
| 04:30.50 | predius_ | Hello, how can I force users to stick to their homedirs? |
| 04:30.50 | bob2 | ah, the .jigdo files |
| 04:30.52 | predius_ | Not let them out. |
| 04:30.56 | silec | got a link? |
| 04:31.02 | dogmeat | i zero'd out a file trying to grep "\-\->" filename.txt |
| 04:31.08 | nvz | I wonder why they call cable and dsl boxes modems too.. they are really just like fancy bridge devices |
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| 04:31.15 | dogmeat | any way to get my data back from filename.txt? |
| 04:31.25 | nvz | I guess they are technically modems as well.. |
| 04:31.30 | bob2 | predius_: you don't, that's silly |
| 04:31.37 | SerajewelKS | zinx, can't you jump in doom? |
| 04:31.45 | predius_ | bob2: ? |
| 04:31.54 | bob2 | predius_: why on earth do you want to do that? |
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| 04:32.24 | predius_ | so each user has an anonymous homedir. |
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| 04:32.43 | bob2 | no |
| 04:32.51 | bob2 | that's sentence doesn't even make any sense |
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| 04:32.54 | bob2 | what are you trying to do? |
| 04:33.12 | silec | byebye |
| 04:33.23 | bob2 | bah |
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| 04:33.29 | bob2 | I just found the bloody jigdo files |
| 04:34.15 | predius_ | I need the user to be stuck to their homedir. |
| 04:34.39 | bob2 | why? |
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| 04:35.27 | nvz | if the user were bound to their homedir they would not be a user. because they would not be able to run any applications |
| 04:35.39 | bob2 | predius_: why would you want to do such a thing? |
| 04:35.46 | nvz | unless they were statically compiled in the homedir or something |
| 04:36.00 | predius_ | I want each homedir private. |
| 04:36.05 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 04:36.08 | nvz | so chmod 700 them |
| 04:36.12 | bob2 | predius_: *why*? |
| 04:36.17 | bob2 | predius_: this does not gain you any security |
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| 04:37.56 | nvz | I think maybe I should call it a night before I am up all morning. I can exploit the loophole in this php script tomorrow :P |
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| 04:38.08 | Jarrell | okay fellas im back...PostFix is installed right but I know from last time when I tried exim4 and sendmail it sent the mail fine |
| 04:38.11 | Jarrell | it was getting it |
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| 04:38.20 | aliumalik | which package has smbmount? |
| 04:38.23 | Jarrell | so how do I do Pop3 Serverinstall now? |
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| 04:38.39 | nvz | aliumalik: smbclient or maybe smbfs not sure.. probably smbfs |
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| 04:38.55 | nvz | !find bin/smbmount$ |
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| 04:39.41 | nvz | aliumalik: yeah its smbfs, smbclient just contains the smbclient program that is used for things like listing shares on the host |
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| 04:40.12 | bob2 | Jarrell: you install one |
| 04:40.19 | bob2 | dovecot is nice |
| 04:40.35 | mwilson | dovecot is overkill if all you want is POP3. |
| 04:40.40 | Jarrell | bob2 I think i was following some directions on installing ipopd |
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| 04:40.44 | Jarrell | whatever the hell that iz |
| 04:40.50 | mwilson | Ew, but anything other than ipopd. |
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| 04:41.18 | mwilson | Jarrell: If I can ask... what is going to be done with this "server" you're building? |
| 04:41.22 | bob2 | true, but it means you can easily get imap later |
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| 04:41.39 | nvz | I need to learn to hack firefox extensions that browser was designed for me.. I've got way too much web experience to not be hacking on something like that. |
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| 04:41.42 | Jarrell | well pretty much is a company server |
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| 04:42.00 | mwilson | That's not an answer. |
| 04:42.02 | Jarrell | i am trying to setup mail, web server, ftp, mysql |
| 04:42.11 | Jarrell | its gonna be a production server |
| 04:42.31 | Jarrell | as well as do some hosting in the near future |
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| 04:42.41 | sanxiyn | qpopper. |
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| 04:43.11 | Jarrell | sanx are you saying use qpopper? |
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| 04:43.38 | sanxiyn | Jarrell: Well, you decide... |
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| 04:44.36 | Jarrell | how am I going to decide on something I dont know about? people i know that know linux wanna be assholes and what not when it comes to me asking them for help |
| 04:44.42 | Jarrell | thats why im here needing help |
| 04:44.49 | Jarrell | i know but only so much |
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| 04:44.58 | Jarrell | i do know what I want is about it |
| 04:45.00 | bob2 | dovecot is an excellent imap/pop server |
| 04:45.09 | bob2 | qpopper appears to be fairy popular, too |
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| 04:45.28 | bob2 | any Free POP3 server that's not made by the University of Washington is likely to be fine |
| 04:45.33 | Jarrell | and with the input I get from here...I very well appreciate that |
| 04:46.07 | Jarrell | what i need is somebody who I can get to basically run my server for me.... |
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| 04:46.26 | bob2 | then you need to talk to your boss and get a budget for hiring someone to do that |
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| 04:46.32 | Jarrell | i am the boss |
| 04:46.39 | sanxiyn | :-) |
| 04:47.02 | Jarrell | imma try this qpopper deal |
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| 04:47.15 | Jarrell | maybe it wont be so hard to do...postfix was easy though :-D |
| 04:47.23 | Gnea | careful, don't get q-popped :) |
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| 04:47.27 | gravity | I <3 postfix |
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| 04:47.45 | Jarrell | huh? |
| 04:47.46 | kreg_ | i'm trying to have dpkg give me the menu option to configure sources.list. i tried dpkg --configure apt but it did not work. any suggestions? |
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| 04:48.08 | Jarrell | grav what do u mean dont get q-popped? |
| 04:48.10 | bob2 | apt-setup |
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| 04:48.18 | bob2 | it's not a debconf thing |
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| 04:48.39 | gravity | Jarrell: That was Gnea and I think he was just joking |
| 04:48.41 | mwilson | Where do people get these command lines they make up at random... |
| 04:48.44 | kreg_ | thanks bob2 |
| 04:48.53 | Jarrell | o sorry |
| 04:48.56 | GoatRoby | is swf-player the package i want to have flash animations show up in firefox? |
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| 04:49.04 | bob2 | no |
| 04:49.11 | bob2 | apt-cache search flashplugin |
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| 04:49.13 | Gnea | Jarrell: i ran qpopper years ago. one day, a vulnerability was published. i read it within 24 hours, and within that time, i had a server exploited due to it. had to reformat/reinstall the whole thing. very, very frustrating.. but maybe they fixed it |
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| 04:49.42 | mwilson | Gnea: Could be true of any software. |
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| 04:50.08 | sanxiyn | GoatRoby: In theory, yes, in practice, no. |
| 04:50.12 | Jarrell | Gnea...thanks for the heads up but I wish you would have said that before I did the apt-get install qpopper |
| 04:50.28 | sanxiyn | GoatRoby: You want flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 04:50.32 | Gnea | Jarrell: you weren't paying me. :) |
| 04:50.39 | Gnea | Jarrell: and you still aren't ;) |
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| 04:50.46 | Jarrell | you see like I stated before my fellow guru's i dont know what the hell im doing but I know what I want done |
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| 04:50.56 | Jarrell | id pay you :-) |
| 04:51.02 | Gnea | thanks |
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| 04:51.10 | Gnea | i have a FT job now as a netadmin |
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| 04:51.21 | Jarrell | kool |
| 04:51.21 | Goetmet | I'm trying to install pgadmin3 but I get this message: pgadmin3: Depends: libwxgtk2.5.3 (>= 2.5.3.2) but it is not installable |
| 04:51.25 | Goetmet | any idea on how to fix it ? |
| 04:51.29 | Goetmet | i need pgadmin3 |
| 04:51.41 | Gnea | Goetmet: sarge? |
| 04:51.47 | Goetmet | sid |
| 04:51.49 | sanxiyn | Gnea: Apparently not. |
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| 04:51.56 | sanxiyn | Goetmet: Try force install libwxgtk2.5.3. |
| 04:52.09 | sanxiyn | Goetmet: If there's conflict and conflict is unimportant, remove them. |
| 04:52.24 | sanxiyn | oops, there's no libwxgtk2.5.3? ;;; |
| 04:52.37 | Goetmet | Package libwxgtk2.5.3 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:53.05 | Goetmet | sanxiyn: how do i force the install? |
| 04:53.13 | Gnea | Goetmet: yeah that's sid, a lot of brokenness right now |
| 04:53.19 | sanxiyn | Goetmet: It seems wx2.5 is gone... |
| 04:53.22 | Goetmet | oh |
| 04:53.27 | sanxiyn | (Likely, it's replaced by wx2.6.) |
| 04:53.41 | Goetmet | yes, i just installed wx2.6 |
| 04:54.05 | Goetmet | but pgadmin is still depending on wx2.5 |
| 04:54.14 | sanxiyn | Goetmet: You need to rebuild pgadmin then. |
| 04:54.26 | Goetmet | hu? |
| 04:54.55 | bob2 | or wait |
| 04:54.58 | bob2 | welcome to sid! |
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| 04:55.42 | Goetmet | dammit |
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| 04:56.15 | sanxiyn | Goetmet: In general, wx* is not very compatible between major versions, but it seems pgAdmin upstream already swithced to 2.6. |
| 04:56.24 | sanxiyn | Goetmet: So should be no problem if you rebuild. |
| 04:56.37 | sanxiyn | Or wait. |
| 04:56.43 | Goetmet | sanxiyn: i have no idea on how rebuild packages.. some manual ? |
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| 04:59.55 | sanxiyn | Goetmet: Heh, it seems maintainer is aware of the problem, and busy: |
| 04:59.57 | sanxiyn | Goetmet: Read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=310398 |
| 05:01.41 | Goetmet | thank you sanxiyn |
| 05:01.49 | Jarrell | thanks all...mail problem fixed :-) solved it with Postfix and Qpopper >:) |
| 05:02.02 | Goetmet | it seems he uploaded the right package to his website |
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| 05:03.13 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 310398 |
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| 05:03.16 | dpkg | #310398:G[pgadmin3] pgadmin3 package appears to be broken in unstable; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:48:06 UTC |
| 05:03.37 | Goetmet | 23 may??? |
| 05:03.47 | sanxiyn | That's a date bug was filed... |
| 05:03.48 | dondelelcaro | right, there's a package that no one cares about |
| 05:03.52 | Goetmet | it has been broken since 23 may? |
| 05:04.01 | Goetmet | wow |
| 05:04.05 | gravity | Ouch |
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| 05:04.12 | gravity | Maybe there's a good reason... |
| 05:04.20 | Goetmet | wtf... nobody uses pgadmin3 ? |
| 05:04.23 | gravity | gcc transition or something |
| 05:04.32 | sanxiyn | gravity: wx transition, actually. |
| 05:04.33 | britt | hey guys, how do I change the time-zone? I was thinking soemthing along the lines of debconf.... |
| 05:04.46 | dondelelcaro | britt: just set TZ correctly; or use tzconfig |
| 05:04.48 | gravity | sanxiyn: Is that going on? |
| 05:04.51 | gravity | Probably waiting on me then |
| 05:04.54 | britt | got ya, thanks |
| 05:05.07 | sanxiyn | gravity: No, pgadmin can now upload, as far as I can see. |
| 05:05.17 | GoatRoby | thanks sanxiyn |
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| 05:05.33 | GoatRoby | thanks bob2 |
| 05:05.34 | sanxiyn | pgadmin used to maintain its own patch set against wxwidgets (<= 2.4)... |
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| 05:05.55 | gravity | Hrm ok |
| 05:06.26 | Goetmet | well, the latest pgadmin3 was released on march 29... according to the website |
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| 05:06.48 | sanxiyn | And wx maintainer grudgingly uploaded wx2.5, which is development line (2.4/2.6 stable, 2.5/2.7 dev, etc.) |
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| 05:07.17 | sanxiyn | So... well, anything depended on wx2.5 was expected to be broken soon. |
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| 05:08.00 | BibTeX | I have /dev/fd/0 1 2 3 255 |
| 05:08.12 | BibTeX | which one is the Floppy |
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| 05:08.37 | BibTeX | ? |
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| 05:14.31 | Gnea | yeah, that's nice. next. |
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| 05:15.30 | sanxiyn | Heh, /etc/apt/sources.list is now syntax-highlighted in Vim. |
| 05:17.12 | CaT[tm] | huzzah! |
| 05:17.33 | CaT[tm] | debian sarge 2.6 netinst kernel will only recognise my cdrom if and only if I activate sata raid |
| 05:17.55 | CaT[tm] | debian sarge 2.4 netinst kernel will recognise the cdrom regardless but it wont recognise the sata disks at all |
| 05:17.57 | CaT[tm] | life is fun. |
| 05:18.02 | sanxiyn | CaT[tm]: Too bad. |
| 05:18.21 | samuel | anyone know if there is a website that has program equivalents? like search for excell and it will tell you gnumeric sort of thing? |
| 05:18.21 | litage | is it okay to delete everything in /var/cache/apt/archives/ or is there a dpkg command i should run instead? |
| 05:18.28 | CaT[tm] | san: not really. I'm rolling my own kernel. |
| 05:18.47 | CaT[tm] | san: but the raid stuff does interfere with the hds. raid builds are slow as. |
| 05:18.53 | CaT[tm] | so installing kinda takes a while |
| 05:19.15 | mwilson | litage: No, you should in fact leave that alone. |
| 05:19.15 | sanxiyn | samuel: Like http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml ? |
| 05:19.23 | litage | mwilson: why is that? |
| 05:19.24 | bob2 | litage: sudo apt-get clean or autoclean |
| 05:19.45 | CaT[tm] | oh. and a hand-spun 2.6.13 works juuuuuust right :) |
| 05:20.22 | litage | thanks bob2 |
| 05:21.04 | pabs3 | litage: if you need space, run apt-cache clean. apt-cache auto-clean deletes old debs |
| 05:21.15 | CaT[tm] | apt-get clean |
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| 05:21.39 | pabs3 | *autoclean rather |
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| 05:23.01 | wt | I have an LDAP question? |
| 05:23.08 | pabs3 | *apt-get autoclean (I'm so dumb today) |
| 05:23.21 | wt | Is there a reason not to store system UIDs and GIDs in the ldap? |
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| 05:23.52 | samuel | sanxiyn, thanks! exactly right! |
| 05:24.09 | sanxiyn | samuel: Too bad it's not updated recently. |
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| 05:24.20 | CaT[tm] | sigh... |
| 05:24.37 | Gnea | ugh... wish i could tell if it's the motherboard or cpu that's dead... |
| 05:24.53 | Gnea | i think it's the cpu, power at least flows to everything on the mobo |
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| 05:25.03 | Gnea | no post, no video, no nothing |
| 05:25.11 | Gnea | just plain broken |
| 05:25.12 | samuel | sanxiyn, its good enough, thanks |
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| 05:25.32 | xixor | hey everyone, which packages are the X include files in now with X.org? |
| 05:25.52 | Gnea | apt-cache search x.org |
| 05:26.10 | Gnea | sorry |
| 05:26.13 | Gnea | apt-cache search xorg |
| 05:26.26 | sanxiyn | xixor: They are splitted among many packages. |
| 05:26.34 | sanxiyn | xixor: You can get xlibs-dev if you want all of them. |
| 05:26.53 | xixor | ah, ok, I just did that apt-cache search and installed x-window-system-dev |
| 05:27.11 | anakinskywalker | what is best pci sound card for debian sarge? |
| 05:27.11 | sanxiyn | xixor: Are you developing X server yourself? |
| 05:27.25 | xixor | no |
| 05:27.32 | xixor | I just want to compile some programs |
| 05:27.39 | sanxiyn | xixor: Then x-window-system-dev is definitely an overkill. |
| 05:28.00 | xixor | oh, ha ha |
| 05:28.09 | xixor | can I apt-get remove x-window-system-dev then? |
| 05:28.28 | sanxiyn | You can, but it won't remove pulled in dependencies... |
| 05:28.39 | xixor | ah |
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| 05:29.44 | bob2 | wt: how will you login when LDAP goes down? |
| 05:31.51 | xixor | sanxiyn : is there a way to remove all the packages that x-window-system-dev just installed then? |
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| 05:32.41 | SerajewelKS | !tell anakinskywalker about better |
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| 05:33.31 | EruditeHermit | hey does anyone know what package /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/index.theme comes under? packages.debian.org doesn't have it listed |
| 05:33.36 | cahoot | anakinskywalker: soundblasters are best supported by alsa |
| 05:34.04 | pabs3 | xixor: if you install packages with aptitude, it keeps track of packages that are automatically installed to resolve dependencies, and removes them when they are no longer needed |
| 05:34.35 | pabs3 | (aptitude is also handy to track down the deps and remove them manually) |
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| 05:35.07 | EruditeHermit | xixor: apt-cache show x-window-system-dev, then look and remove all the dev packages it pulled down with it |
| 05:35.07 | xixor | pabs3 : ah, I installed with apt-get, i've never used aptitutude, can it do that sort of thing now? |
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| 05:35.38 | ryan` | Can I get a reccomendation for an IMAP server to run under debian (preferably one that supports SSL)? |
| 05:35.38 | prock | How can I figure out the font lines to use in my .Xdefaults file for the fancy fonts I see in the gnome font selection dialogs? Is there a gnomefontsel (like xfontsel) or something along those lines? |
| 05:35.55 | Gnea | ryan`: dovecot |
| 05:36.12 | pabs3 | xixor: unfortunately not after you installed with apt-get. iirc, aptitude is now preferred to apt-get (at least the sarge release notes said so) |
| 05:36.29 | prock | ryan`: courier-imap-ssl |
| 05:36.48 | mwilson | ryan`: courier if you want the kitchen sink, dovecot if you want something simple |
| 05:37.21 | prock | ryan`: this is what I followed for my setup and I had no problems: http://talk.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/exim_maildir_imap.shtml |
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| 05:37.49 | wt | bob2: root will have a local entry |
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| 05:38.13 | Vinland | I dont know if I'm just dumb or what but I can't seem to get tar to work properly. I'm currently in the directory that I wish to tar and I want to tar everything into a file called backup.tar. What would my exact command be? |
| 05:38.38 | wt | bob2: I am trying to think of how to syncronize the system UIDs/GIDs |
| 05:38.52 | dondelelcaro | Vinland: tar -zcf ../backup.tar.gz .; |
| 05:39.07 | dondelelcaro | Vinland: although, you probably really want to cd ..; tar -zcf backup.tar.gz foodir; |
| 05:39.20 | wt | bob2: I am thinking of putting all in ldap and pulling the < 1000 UIDs/GIDs into the local /etc/passwd and /etc/group on each machine with a cron job |
| 05:39.41 | SerajewelKS | wtf... |
| 05:39.53 | SerajewelKS | i'm running ntp-simple and my clock is drifting backwards... |
| 05:39.56 | SerajewelKS | usually it goes forwards |
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| 05:40.49 | SerajewelKS | why the hell is it so hard to stabalize the time on a 2.6 kernel |
| 05:41.12 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: crack. |
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| 05:41.30 | SerajewelKS | ... |
| 05:41.39 | BibTeX | how to make a .so file available for all applications |
| 05:41.46 | BibTeX | ion other words |
| 05:42.08 | BibTeX | what is the name of the file where I should put the path of the .so |
| 05:42.09 | BibTeX | ? |
| 05:42.19 | Gnea | something.so |
| 05:42.26 | BibTeX | yes |
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| 05:42.30 | Gnea | whatever.so |
| 05:42.37 | piem | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 05:42.38 | SerajewelKS | bibiskuk, /usr/lib |
| 05:42.42 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 05:42.46 | SerajewelKS | BibTeX |
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| 05:43.17 | Gnea | BibTeX |
| 05:43.23 | BibTeX | yes |
| 05:43.30 | Gnea | BibTeX: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html&ei=ZSwdQ4CTHae2YYO9_LsM |
| 05:43.35 | Gnea | OOPS |
| 05:43.35 | tarzeau | when building new packages for sid, must i use gcc 4? what if that one source must be compiled with pre4? |
| 05:43.36 | Gnea | sec |
| 05:43.49 | BibTeX | don't we have an /etc/file,,,,, |
| 05:43.49 | BibTeX | ? |
| 05:44.03 | Gnea | my mouse is sucking like a $2 wh0re tonite |
| 05:44.07 | SerajewelKS | BibTeX, /usr/lib |
| 05:44.09 | Gnea | who is 'we'? |
| 05:44.13 | anakinskywalker | even a cheaper soundblaster would be ok? |
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| 05:44.15 | piem | tarzeau: add a build depends on gcc-X.Y |
| 05:44.22 | Gnea | BibTeX: here, read this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html |
| 05:44.23 | azardix_ | hello i talk from CHile |
| 05:44.36 | Gnea | azardix_: i talk from my mouth |
| 05:44.39 | aliumalik | which apt-get switches to use if I want to install something from testing and I am using sid? |
| 05:44.40 | bob2 | tarzeau: then you need to build-dep on the version you want |
| 05:44.43 | tarzeau | piem: are you sure that's right? are you a dd? would you sponsor it? |
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| 05:44.47 | justin420 | hi, anybody help me with a good, semi-easy to configure firewall? i have tried kmyfirewall, and shorewall and seem to have problems setting them up... (which is probably due to the fact that im a linux newbie which is why i cant get either of those 2 to work) |
| 05:44.58 | piem | hi azardix_ |
| 05:44.59 | azardix_ | and your ass sounds ?? |
| 05:45.00 | bob2 | tarzeau: and make sure you scripts call gcc-3.X |
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| 05:45.21 | bob2 | aliumalik: -t testing |
| 05:45.31 | piem | tarzeau: if you replace X and Y correctly, yes. yes. no, sorry not much time these days |
| 05:45.31 | tarzeau | bob2: the question is if there's other packages doing that, and if it's alright. now how to do it (i already know how i can do it) |
| 05:45.33 | aliumalik | bob but it still installs from sid :S |
| 05:45.40 | bob2 | justin420: what do you want to filter? |
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| 05:45.44 | Gnea | justin420: supposedly, shorewall is good |
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| 05:45.50 | bob2 | aliumalik: no, it doesn't |
| 05:45.52 | prock | I have all these fonts that show up in my gnome-terminal font config that don't show up in xfontsel... where did they come from and how do I get the font info line to shove into .Xdefaults so I can use them with aterm? |
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| 05:46.23 | bob2 | prock: not .Xdefaults, your xconfig (or add them with xset +fp /blah/) |
| 05:46.32 | bob2 | prock: look in /etc/fonts/font.conf |
| 05:47.00 | justin420 | bob2: in windows (which i am trying to get away from using) i use norton internet security professional 2004. I guess I would want to deny everything and only allow stuff that I started or initiated? |
| 05:47.06 | wt | bob2: would an entry for root locally not be enough? |
| 05:47.36 | wt | bob2: do you know of any useradd like tools that work with LDAP? |
| 05:47.45 | aliumalik | bob2: I am doing the exact thing for libsqlite3-0 but it installs 3.2.5 (sid) instead od 3.2.1 (testing) |
| 05:47.45 | mwilson | prock: You don't. aterm has no ability to use fonts provided by fontconfig. |
| 05:47.47 | bob2 | justin420: then you don't need to do anything at all |
| 05:48.01 | bob2 | aliumalik: paste the output of 'apt-cache policy libsqlite3-0' to #flood |
| 05:48.04 | mwilson | prock: You can switch to xterm, or to urxvt, or some other terminal that does. |
| 05:48.08 | justin420 | Gnea: I didnt get a chance to run it, I tried following the step by step instructions from my Debian GNU/Linux Bible 3.1 and I still couldnt get shorewall to work |
| 05:48.13 | bob2 | wt: migrationt-tools |
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| 05:48.26 | piem | tarzeau: the question you should ask is do you really need the old gcc? |
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| 05:49.21 | Gnea | justin420: hrm.... |
| 05:49.23 | CaT[tm] | anyone here use grub with swraid 1? |
| 05:49.23 | justin420 | bob2:thanks alot for the help. i went to grc.com and did a sheilds up test, and saw that everything was stealthed which is how i like it, but didnt know if i was just getting some false reading or if debian really does kick this much ass as being secure and such... |
| 05:49.38 | tarzeau | piem: yes unless you feel like doing some (probably major) changes to the source |
| 05:49.44 | Gnea | wow, i'm such an idiot sometimes |
| 05:49.49 | wt | bob2: they have useradd tools? |
| 05:50.02 | wt | bob2: i thought it just migrated what you had to ldap |
| 05:50.04 | aliumalik | bob2, thanks I didnt have testing in my pat sources doh! |
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| 05:50.08 | CaT[tm] | cos I'm about to piss it off for lilo, which whilst not the prettiest, at least works. |
| 05:50.18 | wt | bob2: I wanna be able to "adduer blah" like without LDAP, if possible |
| 05:50.25 | prock | mwilson: ok... but even if I use xterm, I don't know how to figure out what that '-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--18-120-100-100-c-90-iso8859-1' like line is |
| 05:50.25 | piem | tarzeau: that's my point, it's not really about how you feel :) if it can be done, it should |
| 05:51.18 | prock | mwilson: xfontsel, gtkfontsel give me this information, but I can't find it for the fancy fonts I see in gnome-terminal |
| 05:51.21 | tarzeau | piem: any reason why? it's i386 only |
| 05:51.42 | bob2 | prock: as above, gnome-terminal's font paths are in /etc/fonts/font.conf |
| 05:52.12 | jm_ | prock: you don't have, man xterm, it has fa switch and others that go with it |
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| 05:52.30 | jm_ | -have |
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| 05:54.25 | tarzeau | piem: any hints? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/2/ocp_0.1.9-1_i386.build |
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| 05:54.51 | aliumalik | any one have suggestions for a bittorrent client (prefreably Qt based and with NAT traversal) |
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| 05:56.34 | piem | tarzeau: what if you add -ldl to that line? |
| 05:56.48 | tarzeau | piem: same problem, but let me retry to be sure |
| 05:57.13 | tarzeau | piem: hey wait .. |
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| 05:58.45 | piem | tarzeau: (re)running autoreconf -f -i might help too |
| 05:59.16 | prock | bob2, mwilson, jm_ : ok thanks for the leads |
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| 05:59.49 | ke6isf | How does one change the displayed font for aterm? |
| 05:59.58 | aliumalik | bob2: what is the switch to prevent upgrading previously installed packages? |
| 05:59.58 | tarzeau | ke6isf: -fn lime for example |
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| 06:00.27 | prock | ke6isf: I use .Xdefaults |
| 06:00.31 | ke6isf | tarzeau: Is there a list of fonts I can view? |
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| 06:00.38 | tarzeau | ke6isf: xlsfonts |
| 06:00.49 | tarzeau | ke6isf: or xfontsel |
| 06:00.52 | ke6isf | prock: Reasonable, but I'd like a list. |
| 06:00.55 | AP03 | can anyone help - i tried booting into a new kernel (2.6.12) and boot halted on MTA |
| 06:01.15 | ke6isf | tarzeau: woo, xlsfonts spits out a list.... |
| 06:01.24 | tarzeau | AP03: what's the full exact msg? |
| 06:01.29 | ke6isf | tarzeau: prock: thanks |
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| 06:01.33 | tarzeau | AP03: compiled it yourself? |
| 06:01.43 | AP03 | tarzeau: no text msg, just halted on "Starting MTA" |
| 06:01.57 | tarzeau | AP03: well , how long did you wait? |
| 06:02.02 | alfons | which kernel does sarge currently use by default ? |
| 06:02.06 | AP03 | tarzeau: i downloaded the source from kernel.org and used a known working config and did make-kpkg |
| 06:02.08 | alfons | i mean which version |
| 06:02.14 | AP03 | tarzeau: about 30 seconds - how long should i wait? |
| 06:02.17 | tarzeau | AP03: try with init=/bin/bash |
| 06:02.25 | tarzeau | AP03: wait 1,5 minutes |
| 06:02.29 | Eclipser | AP03, it's probably trying to resolve some DNS thingie |
| 06:02.31 | tarzeau | AP03: or try ctrl-c |
| 06:02.32 | bob2 | aliumalik: /msg dpkg hold |
| 06:02.38 | bob2 | aliumalik: 2.6.8.1 |
| 06:02.49 | AP03 | tarzeau: how to try with init=/bin/bash what will that do? |
| 06:02.52 | prock | ke6isf: so would I |
| 06:02.58 | AP03 | tarzeau: are you sure ctrl+c is a good idea? |
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| 06:03.05 | tarzeau | AP03: yes |
| 06:03.35 | AP03 | tarzeau: also when i specified an initrd i got a kernel panic - when i removed the initrd it went further - how so? does it not need one? |
| 06:03.56 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
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| 06:04.21 | ircdevil | hi |
| 06:04.34 | rss | hi, lspci says ``Neomagic Corporation NM2200[MagicGraph 256AV]'' what is the module name for this sound card? |
| 06:05.02 | AP03 | Eclipser: also when i specified an initrd i got a kernel panic - when i removed the initrd it went further - how so? does it not need one? |
| 06:05.03 | tarzeau | piem: do you see anything wrong in configure.ac: AC_CHECK_FUNC(dlopen, DL_LIBS="",AC_CHECK_LIB(dl, dlopen, DL_LIBS="-ldl", AC_MSG_ERROR("dlopen not found", -1))) |
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| 06:05.16 | tarzeau | piem: ./configure doesn't show me this check |
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| 06:05.22 | CaT[tm] | how do I create the map file for lilo |
| 06:05.23 | CaT[tm] | ? |
| 06:05.40 | jm_ | you don't create it |
| 06:05.42 | tarzeau | AP03: sorry no idea, i drive 2.4.31 |
| 06:05.55 | CaT[tm] | jm: you do if it's not there :/ |
| 06:06.30 | Daffy-PKF | i had problems with grub, i'm now trying to reinstall it by booting knoppix, i mounted/chrooted to my root dir, and then try to mount /usr from there, but t tells me /dev/hde4 is not writable, i checked the permissions on /dev/hde4, everythings ok... so why don't it mount? |
| 06:06.31 | ircdevil | if one would like to track a thread letter send from werpal@yahoo.com - where the account name is "kadks eæoi", birth date is "01/02 1980", postal code is "9000", and pet name is "oppo" - what can one do? |
| 06:06.48 | jm_ | CaT[tm]: it should create it when you run lilo |
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| 06:07.17 | ircdevil | threat even |
| 06:07.26 | piem | tarzeau: maybe it's never reached. tried autoreconf -f -i ? |
| 06:07.37 | tarzeau | piem: yes i've tried |
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| 06:08.02 | CaT[tm] | argh. |
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| 06:09.46 | tarzeau | piem: config.log shows me, configure:3284: checking for dlopen (nothing else on this line) and |
| 06:09.54 | tarzeau | piem: ac_cv_func_dlopen=yes |
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| 06:10.26 | alexrait1 | Is there any good light login manager? (Not WDM, XDM,KDM,GDM)? I've found SLiM, but no debian package for it |
| 06:10.41 | tarzeau | alexrait1: logina.app and wdm |
| 06:10.45 | tarzeau | alexrait1: xdm also |
| 06:11.09 | sep | alexrait1, there is something called sdm, but i dont know if it's light or heavy. havent tried it |
| 06:11.21 | piem | tarzeau: then i'd try 'AC_CHECK_LIB(dl, dlopen, DL_LIBS="-ldl", AC_MSG_ERROR("dlopen not found", -1))' |
| 06:11.38 | alexrait1 | tarzeau, google can'f ind logina.app |
| 06:11.40 | piem | to force using -ldl anyway |
| 06:11.45 | aliumalik | bob2, this holding only affects dpkg not apt-get :S |
| 06:12.33 | tarzeau | alexrait1: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/login.app |
| 06:13.05 | rss | tarzeau, is it a login manager for wmaker? |
| 06:13.06 | tarzeau | alexrait1: there's also a version 2.x packaged somewhere |
| 06:13.33 | rss | cool |
| 06:13.43 | alexrait1 | ok thanx :) |
| 06:13.44 | tarzeau | rss: well anything, but it looks like wmaker/gnustep yes (however it's not gnustep library based) there exist one though, in the openspace workmanager |
| 06:13.56 | CaT[tm] | time to trebuchet grub |
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| 06:16.09 | sep | is there a default debinaized way of configuring split access, by using the interfaces file? with split access i mean when you have 2 network cards. with 2 routing tables, and 1 default gateway for each card. but there is no routing between the cards. just a box with 2 ip's on 2 different default gw's |
| 06:17.45 | piem | sep: i don't see why it wouldn't work |
| 06:18.13 | sep | piem, ifcourse it works, but the question was how to do it the debian way. i know how to do it with scripts etc etc |
| 06:19.00 | piem | sep: you should be able to find all you need in man interfaces |
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| 06:20.27 | sep | piem, been there i can't find anything relating to creating additional routing tables. i run my scripts from post-up today. |
| 06:20.41 | tarzeau | piem: that worked. shlib-with-non-pic-code's bad? |
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| 06:21.06 | piem | tarzeau: some assembly code in the souces? |
| 06:21.17 | tarzeau | piem: yep, quite a lot of it |
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| 06:21.50 | piem | tarzeau: as it's i386 only it should not cause too much troubles |
| 06:22.04 | kenboo | where'd xine-ui gone? |
| 06:22.20 | bob2 | aliumalik: it affects apt-get, it does not affect aptitude or synaptic |
| 06:22.33 | piem | sep: i must have missed the routing tables part then |
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| 06:23.38 | piem | sep: is one gateway per interface not enough? what can you not put in interfaces that you have in post-up ? |
| 06:23.44 | n3x_ | Anyone know how i can make linux append the date at the end of a folder (backup purposes) so it will increment the day on the folder name each time a backup is done at 12:01 am |
| 06:23.50 | Zenox | Isn't KDE Disk Archiver (KDar) in APT? |
| 06:24.19 | n3x_ | what makes you think i would EVER use KDE? |
| 06:24.30 | bob2 | Zenox: #debian-kde |
| 06:24.41 | n3x_ | seeing im talkign about backup its obviously a file server |
| 06:24.49 | n3x_ | oh |
| 06:24.51 | piem | tarzeau: still, better make sure it is compiled with -fPIC |
| 06:24.52 | n3x_ | talking to him |
| 06:24.55 | bob2 | n3x_: that sounds like a backup program feature, not a kernel thing |
| 06:24.57 | Zenox | bob2: thx alot |
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| 06:25.20 | n3x_ | bob2: any ideas on a decent one for linux? |
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| 06:25.46 | bob2 | duplicity sounds awesome |
| 06:25.47 | kliese | n3x_: how about FOLDER=backup_`date +%Y-%m-%d` |
| 06:26.02 | Pickle_Weasel | i haven't used debian before, but i have used ubuntu, what would i have to do in synaptic to be able to download from packages.debian.org? |
| 06:26.30 | stormshadow | Is there a way to remove a make file I installed |
| 06:26.31 | bibe | n3x_ : or FOLDER=backup_$(date +%F) |
| 06:26.34 | piem | bob2: duplicity rocks |
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| 06:27.06 | chea1 | Pickle_Weasel: you won't download from packages.d.o, but from some mirror (try # apt-setup) |
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| 06:27.28 | CaT[tm] | bah. dicking around with grub and getting nowhere: about a day. dicking around with lilo and getting exactly what I want: around 5min. |
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| 06:28.13 | jm_ | and that's with all these easy installation method existing in GRUB nowadays |
| 06:28.17 | bob2 | Pickle_Weasel: if you installed Debian, apt is already pointing at them |
| 06:28.18 | jm_ | methods |
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| 06:28.45 | CaT[tm] | jm: grub is ok, until you do sw raid1. then the fun begins. |
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| 06:29.21 | jinx`` | http://www.phpfi.com/77256 |
| 06:29.23 | jm_ | CaT[tm]: ahh just use separate /boot partition |
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| 06:29.32 | CaT[tm] | jm: that's non-raided? |
| 06:29.43 | [timmeh] | how can i look at the pc specs when using debian? |
| 06:29.47 | jinx`` | please help with proftpd mod_tls :) |
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| 06:30.03 | deicidus | hi, im a linux newbie. could someone please help me fix/understand a few things about my fresh debian install? they are sharing files over a LAN, and mounting external usb drives |
| 06:30.05 | jm_ | CaT[tm]: yup |
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| 06:30.37 | CaT[tm] | jm: feh to that. I want all the data raided. |
| 06:30.38 | deicidus | well, not fix, setup |
| 06:31.00 | bibe | deicidus : ask what you want to do |
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| 06:31.06 | sep | piem, if you make 2 interface stancas 'normaly' with the gateway line on each you get 2 default gateways in the main routingtable, something that dont work. i want 1 routing table for each card, each table with it's own default gw. |
| 06:31.23 | deicidus | i want to share a folder from my debian box to my mac over my LAN |
| 06:31.47 | deicidus | i think i got it all set up the way it should be, using nfs, but i get an error when i try to connect |
| 06:31.59 | sep | piem, and i was only wondering if the interfaces file supported creation of additional tables in a debianized way, or if using a custom script was the only way |
| 06:32.01 | stormshadow | can i remove a make file I installed |
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| 06:32.22 | sep | deicidus, and the error is ?? |
| 06:32.23 | [timmeh] | sorry but if someone could help me out i'd really appriciate it, how can i find out my pc specs (proccessor, memory etc) |
| 06:32.28 | bibe | deicidus : what line did you add to /etc/exports? |
| 06:32.37 | deicidus | "could not connect to the server because the name or password is not correct" |
| 06:32.42 | deicidus | sorry, had to type it |
| 06:32.43 | sep | [timmeh], cat /proc/cpuinfo and /proc/meminfo |
| 06:32.50 | [timmeh] | thankyou very much |
| 06:32.52 | bibe | [timmeh] : are you using kde? |
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| 06:33.11 | deicidus | bibe: ill open the file because i cant remember, hang on |
| 06:33.18 | stormshadow | how can I remove a make file |
| 06:33.19 | [timmeh] | ok thankyou, i setup phpsysinfo and notcied that it was incorrect |
| 06:33.30 | [timmeh] | but now i checked and its still showing that its a single xeon |
| 06:33.34 | [timmeh] | instead of dual >.> |
| 06:33.42 | sep | [timmeh], are you running a smp kernel ? |
| 06:33.51 | bibe | deicidus : don't open it, simply 'cat /etc/exports' |
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| 06:34.08 | [timmeh] | sorry im not sure what a smp kernal is |
| 06:34.15 | [timmeh] | i also have 1gb ram showing up isntead of 2 |
| 06:34.16 | deicidus | bibe: i added "/home/deicidus/incoming <mac's ip>(rw)" |
| 06:34.19 | sep | [timmeh], smp kernel is the kernels supporting dal cpu's |
| 06:34.30 | piem | sep: oh i see. yeah i guess this level of tuning was left for the scripting side :) |
| 06:34.34 | [timmeh] | i know there was problems with the kernal eariler |
| 06:34.40 | [timmeh] | i've had some probs with this server =/ |
| 06:34.42 | sep | piem, okay :) |
| 06:34.46 | bibe | [timmeh] : did you compile your own kernel? or did you install it with 'apt-get install kernel-image...'? |
| 06:34.50 | sep | [timmeh], install a smp kernel image |
| 06:35.11 | [timmeh] | i know the datacenter redid the kernal |
| 06:35.25 | sep | [timmeh], then they obviously did it wrong |
| 06:35.38 | bibe | [timmeh] : 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp' |
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| 06:35.55 | [timmeh] | kernel-image-2.6-686-smp is already the newest version. |
| 06:35.55 | [timmeh] | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 06:35.59 | jm_ | CaT[tm]: I guess it depends on type of RAID you're using |
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| 06:36.07 | deicidus | bibe: and i may as well clarify by saying <mac's ip> is 192.168.0.101 |
| 06:36.13 | sep | [timmeh], uname -a |
| 06:36.21 | c_olin | where can I edit what programs execute on startup of my computer? |
| 06:36.28 | bibe | [timmeh] : try 'grep SMP /boot/config-$(uname -r)' |
| 06:36.30 | [timmeh] | Linux XLHostX1 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:36.35 | bibe | deicidus : just a moment |
| 06:37.00 | [timmeh] | what is grep SMP /boot/config-$(uname -r) ment to do? |
| 06:37.19 | sep | [timmeh], you want to run a 2.4 kernel or do you want to run a 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 06:37.35 | Supaplex | why not let the kernel run itself? ;) |
| 06:37.36 | sep | [timmeh], since you have the 2.6 installed, but are running on the 2.4 |
| 06:37.37 | Liquid_Tension | anyone know of a command line tool to monitor disk usage? |
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| 06:37.51 | sep | Liquid_Tension, df -h |
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| 06:37.52 | [timmeh] | well wouldnt the 2.6 be better? |
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| 06:37.58 | CaT[tm] | jm: suppose. still. lilo worked. |
| 06:37.58 | bibe | deicidus : ok. are you running portmap and nfsd? |
| 06:37.59 | Liquid_Tension | sep: thanks |
| 06:38.05 | Supaplex | Liquid_Tension: like df du or procinfo? (usage+monitor are vague) |
| 06:38.08 | sep | [timmeh], that depends |
| 06:38.14 | Nooks | is there a 30-second synopsis of the upgrade procedure from exim-tls to exim4? |
| 06:38.16 | sep | [timmeh], on your needs :) |
| 06:38.30 | [timmeh] | what i need is support of both xeons, and its also comping up with 1gb or ram isntead of two |
| 06:38.31 | bob2 | Nooks: did you hand-edit any of it's config files, aside from tls stuff? |
| 06:38.39 | [timmeh] | i personaly dont know how 2.4 differs to 2.6 |
| 06:38.41 | Nooks | bob2 : almost certainly |
| 06:38.45 | deicidus | bibe: i think it should be... i did the apt-get thing to install them. before that, when i tried to connect, i didnt even get an error. |
| 06:38.47 | [timmeh] | normally i'd never touch the kernal |
| 06:38.48 | sep | [timmeh], well you can get that support on both 2.4 and 2.6 if you boot on a smp kernel |
| 06:38.57 | tarzeau | [timmeh]: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ supports highmem and n cpus |
| 06:39.02 | bob2 | Nooks: install exim4, spend a while reading docs to repllicate your config |
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| 06:39.04 | deicidus | bibe: it just timed out |
| 06:39.15 | c_olin | where can I change what programs execute on startup of my computer? |
| 06:39.22 | sep | [timmeh], if you have a kvm just choose the 2.6-smp kernel in grub |
| 06:39.32 | Nooks | bob2 : you're not serious. for this, I upgraded? |
| 06:39.34 | tarzeau | c_olin: in /etc/init.d README also check /etc/default and /etc/inetd |
| 06:39.48 | bibe | deicidus : try 'netstat -plut' as root. does this list a line for portmap and one for nfsd? |
| 06:39.54 | c_olin | thank you :) |
| 06:40.10 | bob2 | Nooks: ? it's a major new version |
| 06:40.18 | [timmeh] | sorry whats a kvm? |
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| 06:41.05 | cafuego | [timmeh]: keyboard/mouse switch |
| 06:41.08 | cafuego | !kvm |
| 06:41.08 | dpkg | well, kvm is kernel virtual memory (kernel address space), or keyboard/video/mouse |
| 06:41.23 | Supaplex | aka, kvm switch |
| 06:41.48 | jm_ | I suppose some of them should be called kvms these days |
| 06:41.59 | deicidus | bibe: no, i dont see them. just a bunch of tcps and my mlnet |
| 06:42.02 | [timmeh] | im connecting to the server via putty, its in a datacenter if thats what you mean? |
| 06:42.08 | c_olin | What are some possible solutions to slow graphics performance? |
| 06:42.11 | Pickle_Weasel | where is my cdrom? =o |
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| 06:42.20 | cafuego | c_olin: faster gfx card, faster cpu |
| 06:42.31 | c_olin | but windows runs the same game twice as fast |
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| 06:42.47 | Nooks | bob2: but, I mean, seriously, I *had* a working exim.conf and now it's all different? wtf? |
| 06:42.54 | xsquared | hihi, i just have a quick question about GPG/PGP. How can i reset/overwrite/remove my current key on the public keyservers? |
| 06:43.01 | xsquared | is it possible? |
| 06:43.07 | bibe | deicidus : try '/etc/init.d/nfs restart', I'll be right back |
| 06:43.11 | cafuego | c_olin: Is it a windows game? What card is it? |
| 06:43.11 | Pickle_Weasel | how would i cd into my cdrom? |
| 06:43.14 | Pickle_Weasel | where is it located? |
| 06:43.21 | [timmeh] | i think i'll contact the datacenter, about the kernal |
| 06:43.23 | Nooks | fine, new major version, whatever, but...if I wanted to learn a whole new MTA from scratch I would just install postfix |
| 06:43.29 | bob2 | xsquared: do you have the old private key? |
| 06:43.30 | cafuego | If you have a radeon, then yes, it's a lot slower then in windows. |
| 06:43.30 | [timmeh] | and get them to fix it up, because i dont wish to make it worse |
| 06:43.31 | xsquared | Pickle_Weasel: /cdrom |
| 06:43.37 | xsquared | bob2: yes |
| 06:43.37 | Pickle_Weasel | =o |
| 06:43.55 | c_olin | cafuego: it is based on the quake 1 engine... Radeon 9600 256mb |
| 06:44.08 | bob2 | xsquared: then you can revoke the one on the keyservers |
| 06:44.10 | xsquared | bob2: i accidently selected it to expire in 1 year, and i don't want it to expire in one year lol. |
| 06:44.10 | cafuego | c_olin: fglrx driver? |
| 06:44.12 | Snake-Eyes | c_olin: how are you running it under linux? wine or recompiling? |
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| 06:44.19 | bob2 | xsquared: dude, then say that |
| 06:44.26 | bob2 | xsquared: you can change the expiration date |
| 06:44.33 | c_olin | Snake-Eyes: it is a native linux game |
| 06:44.39 | c_olin | cafuego: yes |
| 06:44.54 | deicidus | bibe: "no such file or directory". why are you using single quotes? and ok on your brb |
| 06:45.04 | cafuego | c_olin: Yep, the fglrx driver under linux is known to have fairly poor (compared to on Windows) performance. |
| 06:45.07 | deicidus | bibe: heh, should have split that into multiple lines... |
| 06:45.08 | xsquared | bob2: i see, how? |
| 06:45.21 | c_olin | =\ |
| 06:45.38 | c_olin | are there alternatives? |
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| 06:45.55 | bob2 | xsquared: this isn't in the gpg manual? |
| 06:46.17 | xsquared | bob2: im looking through it now |
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| 06:46.42 | bob2 | xsquared: I'd guess it'd be part of --edit-key |
| 06:47.01 | anakinskywalker | is creative vibra 2.1 would be a nice sound card for debian? is this one a plug n play for debian sarge? |
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| 06:48.04 | Nooks | are the new exim4 config files backwardly compatible with exim3's *at all*? |
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| 06:48.25 | justin420 | hi, anybody help me with upgrading my current kernel version 2.6.8-686 to the most current version? ive downloaded linux-2.6.13.tar.gz from kernel.org and want to be sure to do it the right way the first time... also if all goes well i would like to remove previous versions of the kernel. |
| 06:48.32 | deicidus | bibe: oops, sorry, had a little connection trouble |
| 06:50.24 | jm_ | Nooks: of course not |
| 06:50.40 | jm_ | anakinskywalker: you mean VIBRA16? |
| 06:50.41 | bob2 | justin420: why? |
| 06:50.47 | HermanDE | xsdg: I'm having a bit of a problem with freenode... Can you offer a hand? |
| 06:51.01 | bibe | deicidus : so did you fix the connection trouble? |
| 06:51.09 | SerajewelKS | zinx, still there? |
| 06:51.22 | deicidus | bibe: oh, no i mean i dropped from the channel then came back |
| 06:51.46 | deicidus | bibe: were still where we were on the actual problem. "no such file or directory" |
| 06:52.00 | justin420 | bob2: i have some problems with my webcam and tv tuner card and dhcp not rewnewing the client lease, so i figured maybe update the kernel and it would help me? |
| 06:52.46 | bibe | deicidus : is that a message you have while '/etc/init.d/nfs restart'ing? |
| 06:52.50 | bob2 | I'd be looking to see what the actual problem is |
| 06:52.55 | deicidus | bibe: yes |
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| 06:53.21 | anakinskywalker | as long it is a creative vibra |
| 06:53.23 | bibe | deicidus : no more messages? do you know what file is it referring to? |
| 06:53.33 | anakinskywalker | is that a good one for debian sarge? |
| 06:53.54 | deicidus | bibe: yes, the full message is "/etc/init.d/nfs: No such file or directory" |
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| 06:54.56 | jm_ | VIBRA16 is supported by Linux kernel for years |
| 06:55.06 | jm_ | but I somehow doubt you have that card unless it's a very old machine |
| 06:55.11 | SerajewelKS | anakinskywalker, there is no "best soundcard" for debian. pick one you like, and if it works with debian, buy it |
| 06:55.29 | SerajewelKS | !best |
| 06:55.29 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 06:56.10 | bibe | deicidus : what does 'dpkg -l nfs*' return? |
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| 06:56.19 | Zak- | how do you echo system time? |
| 06:56.37 | kenboo | date |
| 06:56.46 | Zak- | ty kenboo |
| 06:57.06 | xsquared | bob2: thanks mate |
| 06:57.22 | deicidus | bibe: err...a lot of stuff. (i'm on irc on my mac so i cant just copy & paste). here goes a summary: |
| 06:58.08 | deicidus | bibe: no nfs client, common 1.0.6-3.1, kernel-ser 1.0.6-3.1, no nfs-server, no nfs-user serve |
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| 06:58.42 | cougar` | Hello all, how do I make a directory readable only by the owner of the directory |
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| 06:58.53 | cougar` | I'm sorry but it's 3 AM and my mind is mud right now |
| 06:59.00 | ChrisH | cougar`: chmod u=rx,go= directoryname |
| 06:59.20 | cougar` | okay, thanks |
| 06:59.35 | SerajewelKS | ChrisH, u=rx? |
| 06:59.38 | bibe | deicidus : ok, the command was '/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart' |
| 06:59.41 | piem | yeah, with u=rwx if you want to write to it too :-) |
| 06:59.43 | SerajewelKS | ChrisH, why not rwx? |
| 07:00.15 | SerajewelKS | cougar`, chmod go= directoryname #should suffice, if you like what the user can do right now |
| 07:00.43 | sep | piem, do you know if it's possible to tell the interfaces file _not_ to create the routes for the interfaces when they are if-up'd ? |
| 07:00.47 | ChrisH | SerajewelKS: Protecting the "user" from himself. :) |
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| 07:01.16 | deicidus | bibe: "Stopping NFS kernel daemon: mountd/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server: line 74: start-stop-daemon: command not found" |
| 07:02.11 | piem | sep: not sure. actually i would try playing with firehol. it deals happily with iproute and looks as nice as interfaces. |
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| 07:03.24 | bibe | deicidus : are you running it as root? |
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| 07:03.32 | cougar` | SerajewelKS : I just want only the owner to be able to read and write to it |
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| 07:03.46 | deicidus | bibe: oh, no. ill do that now. |
| 07:04.01 | cougar` | I reverted the permissions back to wjhatever they were before and put go= |
| 07:04.01 | dimir | Morning. |
| 07:04.17 | sep | piem, im a shorewall guy :P but i didnt' intend to use iptables at all actualy. ill look at firehol |
| 07:04.17 | Caelum | morning |
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| 07:04.43 | deicidus | bibe: ok, it appears to have restarted. |
| 07:04.57 | Daffy-PKF | hmmm, strange thing, my hard-drives/partition are not accessible by the same device at every boot, how can that be possible? |
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| 07:05.38 | sep | Daffy-PKF, dodgy cable select ? |
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| 07:05.50 | SerajewelKS | cougar`, in that case, 'chmod 700' would also do the job |
| 07:05.56 | Daffy-PKF | sep> ho, good idea, i check that |
| 07:06.13 | cougar` | thanks |
| 07:06.14 | piem | sep: the one complaint i have about firehol is in its faq: it takes *ages* to start |
| 07:06.17 | cougar` | Appreciate SerajewelKS |
| 07:06.18 | cougar` | Good night |
| 07:06.24 | SerajewelKS | cougar`, np, night |
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| 07:06.35 | sep | piem, this box takes ages already. so now ill take a millenium ? :) |
| 07:06.41 | bibe | deicidus : perfect. does 'netstat -plut |egrep "portmap|rpc"' (run as root) return lines for portmap, rpc.statd and rpc.mountd? |
| 07:07.02 | sep | piem, but do firehol realy bother with routes and ip addresses ? i imagined it was like shorewall only bothering with iptables ? |
| 07:07.15 | sep | piem, and that is easily fixed with iptables-save and iptables-restore |
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| 07:07.45 | aliumalik | is there any place that has prebuilt java packages? |
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| 07:08.03 | tarzeau | aliumalik: yep, gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ |
| 07:08.05 | piem | sep: oh yeah i like this one too |
| 07:08.18 | tarzeau | aliumalik: it's called sun-j2sdk*.deb |
| 07:08.31 | deicidus | bibe: no |
| 07:08.49 | SerajewelKS | is prboom compatible with doom legacy? |
| 07:09.12 | deicidus | bibe: although now im trapped in something thats not the #. oh, there, control-c got me out. |
| 07:09.20 | aliumalik | thanks tarzeau |
| 07:09.24 | piem | sep: i used iptables-{restore,save} for a while, but i find it easier to maintain the rules in a firehol way |
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| 07:09.58 | aliumalik | anyone know other reps except nerim which host mplayer and w32codecs? |
| 07:10.05 | sep | shorewall incorperates the iptables-save restore so it's fast on the boot, but takes the long aproch on a restart |
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| 07:10.08 | bibe | deicidus : the problem is in the server machine, if the processes are not running properly, there's no way to make nfs work |
| 07:10.16 | sep | and then it saves the table for the next reboot/start |
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| 07:10.30 | deicidus | bibe: here, i just did netstat with the grep, and i see a line for portmap |
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| 07:10.37 | deicidus | bibe: without* |
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| 07:10.56 | AP03 | can anyone help? i am running cpufreq and my centrino still always runs at full speed |
| 07:11.21 | piem | sep: for the routing stuff, i'm not sure really. the down time of services during a firehol restart if comparatively shorter. |
| 07:11.42 | piem | shorter than the restart if that makes sense |
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| 07:12.59 | bibe | deicidus : still nothing from rpc services? |
| 07:13.14 | deicidus | bibe: i dont see it |
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| 07:14.11 | bibe | deicidus : can you use nmap for the server or, better, from the mac os machine? is it a mac os x machine? |
| 07:14.42 | bibe | deicidus : s/for/from/ |
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| 07:15.25 | deicidus | bibe: its a pc. i installed debian to escape from windows and so mldonkey would work better with it. but i want to be able to access the downloads from my other computer, a mac. |
| 07:15.36 | deicidus | bibe: what does s/for/from mean? |
| 07:15.55 | mwilson | "escape from Windows"... <sigh> |
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| 07:16.06 | deicidus | what about it? |
| 07:16.08 | dondelelcaro | deicidus: substitute from for for; |
| 07:16.10 | bibe | deicidus : i wrote 'for the server' but i meant to write 'from the server' |
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| 07:16.22 | knt | how can i create scripts/mod/modpost binary in kernel source? |
| 07:16.31 | knt | i couldn't compile it. |
| 07:16.58 | bibe | deicidus : is it a mac os x installation? |
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| 07:17.10 | jm_ | kernel compiles it itself, you don't have to do it yourself |
| 07:17.19 | deicidus | bibe: yes, the ibook is. the toshiba is debian. |
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| 07:17.53 | deicidus | mwilson: what about escaping from windows? |
| 07:17.54 | knt | jm_, is it possible to compile it manually? |
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| 07:18.12 | BibTeX | hello |
| 07:18.12 | bibe | deicidus : try 'apt-get install nmap', as root, from the PC |
| 07:18.22 | BibTeX | I have a sound problem |
| 07:18.28 | BibTeX | here is what do I get |
| 07:18.28 | BibTeX | Setting up ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'No state is present for card I82801BAICH2'. done. |
| 07:18.31 | knt | jm_, make -f scripts/Makefile.modpost didn't work. (it requires scripts/mod/modpost binary too :) |
| 07:18.41 | BibTeX | what is the problem |
| 07:18.42 | BibTeX | ? |
| 07:18.47 | bibe | BibTeX : run 'alsactl store' as root |
| 07:18.58 | deicidus | bibe: ok, it installed. |
| 07:19.18 | bibe | deicidus : perfect. now run 'nmap <ip_of_the_pc>' |
| 07:19.24 | BibTeX | bibe: Done |
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| 07:19.42 | BibTeX | and I ran again alsa start and it worked..... I still do not have sound |
| 07:19.55 | asmodaiii | hi folks |
| 07:20.00 | jm_ | knt: it probably requires things from top level Makefile |
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| 07:20.16 | bibe | BibTeX : then use 'alsamixer', adjust your settings and run 'alsactl store' another time |
| 07:20.18 | deicidus | bibe: ok. one thing of note in the printout is a line for "rpcbind" and one for "nfs" |
| 07:20.22 | valdyn | BibTeX: the above was not an error, only indicated that you had never saved the state of your sound device |
| 07:20.25 | deicidus | err, thats two things... |
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| 07:20.35 | BibTeX | when I click the voice icon to show the mixer I get"No mixer elements or devices found" |
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| 07:21.04 | litage | why does the timeoutd package depend on xlibs and so many X-related packages? |
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| 07:21.23 | jm_ | Flexible user timeout daemon with X11 support |
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| 07:21.29 | jm_ | self explanatory, isn't it? |
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| 07:21.46 | mwilson | Nah, that would require reading the package description. |
| 07:21.48 | DaFresh | hi all, how can i specifie compil options with dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 07:21.50 | litage | yeah i guess, but what if you don't use X on the machine? |
| 07:21.54 | bibe | deicidus : then the server seems to be up and running. how did you edit /etc/exports? |
| 07:22.07 | mwilson | Then you don't. Where's the problem? |
| 07:22.08 | BibTeX | valdyn, bibe : still no sound |
| 07:22.14 | valdyn | DaFresh: you cant do it that way |
| 07:22.19 | jm_ | then you can try and get the source package for it and see if you can build it without X11 support and make your own package |
| 07:22.20 | BibTeX | and the voice icon on the desktop is still dropping down |
| 07:22.49 | mwilson | The fact that the package supports X11 doesn't mean that X has to be running in order for you to use it. |
| 07:22.52 | bob2 | DaFresh: nope |
| 07:22.53 | DaFresh | Valandil, so how can i do that ? i dont want to install the source ... |
| 07:22.56 | bob2 | DaFresh: edit debian/rules |
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| 07:23.14 | DaFresh | bob2: okay, thx a lot ;) |
| 07:23.16 | deicidus | bibe: i added the line: "/home/deicidus/incoming 192.168.0.101(rw)", the first part being the directory on the server to share, and the second being the ip of the client |
| 07:23.25 | bob2 | litage: it only means that you have a couple of extra libs consuming very little space |
| 07:23.36 | bob2 | litage: it's probably possible to rebuild it without X support if it really bothers you |
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| 07:24.05 | valdyn | BibTeX: did you read the FAQ? |
| 07:24.46 | bibe | deicidus : now edit the file and add '/home/deicidus/incoming <ip_of_the_pc>(rw)' |
| 07:25.08 | BibTeX | valdyn: UUmm No, you are right |
| 07:25.19 | valdyn | !alsa |
| 07:25.19 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 07:26.06 | deicidus | bibe: ok, done. there are now two entries in the file. |
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| 07:28.02 | bibe | deicidus : perfect. now create a directory with 'mkdir /mnt/nfs' (as root) and add '<ip_of_the_pc>:/home/deicidus/incoming nfs /mnt/nfs defaults 0 0' to your /etc/fstab |
| 07:28.34 | bibe | deicidus : and finally, mount the nfs export with 'mount /mnt/nfs' |
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| 07:31.57 | BibTeX | valdyn, dpkg: I have done every single thing in the FAQ and nothing is still working |
| 07:32.12 | BibTeX | the wierd is that alsaconf is recognizing my card |
| 07:32.16 | valdyn | BibTeX: you're in the audio group? |
| 07:32.18 | BibTeX | what do you think? |
| 07:32.26 | BibTeX | yes I am in the audio group |
| 07:32.32 | valdyn | BibTeX: the package alsa-base is installed? |
| 07:32.46 | BibTeX | yes alsa-base is installed |
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| 07:33.00 | valdyn | BibTeX: rebooted once already since you installed alsa-base? |
| 07:33.09 | deicidus | bibe: "can't find /mnt/nfs in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab". are all of those fields tab-deliminated? if so, they dont match with the other lines. |
| 07:33.09 | BibTeX | I rebooted twice |
| 07:33.28 | xsquared | BibTeX: are you using etch? |
| 07:33.35 | valdyn | BibTeX: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*wav |
| 07:33.41 | BibTeX | No voice and the cursor of voice in gnome voice is still dropping down |
| 07:33.51 | BibTeX | etch? |
| 07:33.55 | xsquared | testing |
| 07:34.13 | xsquared | heh. |
| 07:34.22 | bibe | deicidus : they can be tab or space delimited |
| 07:34.33 | BibTeX | OUps |
| 07:34.39 | BibTeX | aplay gave a result |
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| 07:34.58 | BibTeX | i heard a sound after aplay |
| 07:35.09 | BibTeX | so why then everything else is not playing |
| 07:35.11 | BibTeX | ? |
| 07:35.22 | valdyn | BibTeX: what is "everything else" ? |
| 07:35.30 | BibTeX | mplayer |
| 07:35.32 | deicidus | bibe: ok. still, there's that error when i try to mount. |
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| 07:35.35 | BibTeX | on the command line |
| 07:35.49 | valdyn | BibTeX: 'mplayer -ao alsa some.avi' |
| 07:36.00 | xsquared | BibTeX: is everything in alsamixer turned on? pcm etc.. |
| 07:36.07 | BibTeX | I said the CURSOR of the gnome application that sets the soind is STILL DROPPING down and I cannot access the mixer from GNOME |
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| 07:36.22 | bibe | deicidus : what's the output of 'grep nfs /etc/fstab'? |
| 07:36.33 | valdyn | BibTeX: ignore that mixer for now. |
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| 07:37.41 | BibTeX | I have mplayer for AUDIO only |
| 07:37.57 | BibTeX | the -ao alsa option made it enter in a loop |
| 07:38.00 | valdyn | BibTeX: so play an audio file: mplayer -ao alsa someaudiofile |
| 07:38.02 | BibTeX | and never ends |
| 07:38.07 | deicidus | bibe: "192.168.0.104:/home/deicidus/incoming nfs /mnt/nfs nfs defaults 0 0" |
| 07:38.32 | deicidus | bibe: i noticed, from the lines above it, that maybe nfs and /mnt/nfs are reversed? |
| 07:39.08 | bibe | deicidus : no, there's an unneeded 'nfs' |
| 07:39.14 | bibe | 192.168.0.104:/home/deicidus/incoming nfs /mnt/nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 07:39.28 | bibe | deicidus : sorry, no |
| 07:39.34 | bibe | 192.168.0.104:/home/deicidus/incoming nfs /mnt/nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 07:39.49 | bibe | 192.168.0.104:/home/deicidus/incoming /mnt/nfs nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 07:39.57 | deicidus | bibe: oops, that was a typo. there is no second nfs. |
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| 07:40.10 | BibTeX | valdyn: Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. |
| 07:40.10 | BibTeX | Audio: no sound |
| 07:40.10 | BibTeX | Video: no video |
| 07:40.12 | deicidus | bibe: ok, so i should switch them so the /mnt/nfs comes first? |
| 07:40.13 | valdyn | BibTeX: mplayer does tell you what it does exactly, im sure of that |
| 07:40.46 | bibe | deicidus : yes, the first entry after 192... should be /mnt/nfs |
| 07:40.47 | BibTeX | valdyn: this is the result of this option |
| 07:41.05 | bibe | deicidus : then nfs, then defaults 0 0 |
| 07:41.18 | valdyn | BibTeX: 'killall esd' and try mplayer again |
| 07:41.45 | BibTeX | I do not have esd processes |
| 07:42.02 | deicidus | bibe: ok, i switched it and mounted. "mount: 192.168.0.104:/home/deicidus/incoming failed, reason given by server: Permiossion denied" |
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| 07:42.23 | deicidus | bibe: Permisison* |
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| 07:42.30 | BibTeX | valdyn: I am really confused |
| 07:42.41 | valdyn | BibTeX: BibTeX 'cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 07:42.43 | valdyn | BibTeX: BibTeX 'cat /proc/asound/cards' |
| 07:42.45 | dreamie | i have sarge and i am trying to get a dvd viewer to work. what files do i need? |
| 07:42.52 | deicidus | bibe: Permission* -_-;; and now it looks weird from staring at it too much |
| 07:42.56 | valdyn | BibTeX: paste just only the first line |
| 07:42.58 | bibe | deicidus :are you mounting it as root? |
| 07:43.27 | BibTeX | 0 [I82801BAICH2 ]: ICH - Intel 82801BA-ICH2 |
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| 07:43.41 | BibTeX | valdyn: 0 [I82801BAICH2 ]: ICH - Intel 82801BA-ICH2 |
| 07:44.00 | deicidus | bibe: yes, i just restarted the root terminal to be sure |
| 07:44.18 | valdyn | BibTeX: alright, now ( as root ), 'lsof /dev/dsp' |
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| 07:44.45 | dreamie | what do i need to run a dvd ? |
| 07:44.59 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 07:44.59 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 07:45.01 | valdyn | dreamie: ^^^ |
| 07:45.08 | BibTeX | valdyn : lsof: status error on /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 07:45.15 | BibTeX | valdyn: OUps |
| 07:45.16 | ChrisH | dreamie: IIRC you need a player (e.g. xine), the libdvdread3 package and (if it's a movie DVD with encrypted contents) the libdecss from marillat |
| 07:45.22 | BibTeX | valdyn: this does have a meaning |
| 07:45.22 | valdyn | BibTeX: that is fine. |
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| 07:45.46 | BibTeX | valdyn: so/ |
| 07:45.55 | bibe | deicidus : run '/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart' and try again, please. |
| 07:46.18 | valdyn | BibTeX: lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 07:46.36 | BibTeX | valdyn: Nothing |
| 07:46.42 | deicidus | bibe: ok, seems to have mounted |
| 07:46.45 | BibTeX | valdyn: I mean no files are open |
| 07:47.13 | deicidus | bibe: oh, that makes sense, having to restart for the changes to exports to take effect. |
| 07:47.33 | valdyn | BibTeX: so, your system is fine, your sound is working as can be seen by 'aplay', but for some reason mplayer isnt, try it again ( had a typo? ) |
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| 07:47.53 | BibTeX | it is not only mplayer |
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| 07:47.54 | bibe | deicidus : ok. now try the same procedure from a mac osx terminal, it should work as well |
| 07:48.02 | BibTeX | it is evrything |
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| 07:48.08 | BibTeX | even skype for exemple |
| 07:48.10 | valdyn | BibTeX: no it isnt, aplay is working. |
| 07:48.21 | fireba11 | sorry for the stupid question but how do i get apt-get to install a specific version of a package if there is more than one available ? |
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| 07:48.25 | valdyn | BibTeX: skype is a horrible heap of shit what its sound system is concerned |
| 07:48.44 | valdyn | BibTeX: try 'mplayer -ao alsa somesoundfile' as root |
| 07:48.45 | BibTeX | valdyn: I agree |
| 07:48.57 | BibTeX | actually everything was working |
| 07:49.11 | BibTeX | and when I installed alsa using apt |
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| 07:49.16 | BibTeX | everything stoped |
| 07:49.28 | BibTeX | valdyn: I will trry mplayer |
| 07:49.33 | deicidus | bibe: umm... what procedure? |
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| 07:50.11 | ChrisH | fireba11: I recommend using aptitude for that. |
| 07:50.19 | BibTeX | valdyn: Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. |
| 07:50.19 | BibTeX | Audio: no sound |
| 07:50.19 | BibTeX | Video: no video |
| 07:50.22 | valdyn | BibTeX: btw, where do you have that mplayer from? marillat? |
| 07:50.41 | fireba11 | ChrisH: never mind, found the option |
| 07:50.46 | BibTeX | oh, I have been coping the binary I have compiled 2 years ago |
| 07:50.50 | BibTeX | I do not remember |
| 07:51.01 | valdyn | BibTeX: well, that mplayer likely just does not support alsa |
| 07:51.03 | BibTeX | it is from the original website |
| 07:51.13 | BibTeX | ok |
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| 07:51.25 | BibTeX | valdyn: I will agree with you |
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| 07:51.31 | valdyn | BibTeX: you could use alsas oss emulation, but then you loose all advantages of alsa. |
| 07:51.39 | BibTeX | but what makes the mixer be down alwas |
| 07:51.59 | valdyn | BibTeX: its probably an oss mixer |
| 07:52.06 | BibTeX | aha |
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| 07:52.38 | valdyn | BibTeX: to get everything working for now: modprobe snd-pcm-oss && modprobe snd-mixer-oss. However you could just aswell have sticked to oss then. |
| 07:52.48 | BibTeX | valdyn: how should install a mixer for gnome that intergrates the interface |
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| 07:53.53 | valdyn | BibTeX: gnome-media contains 'gnome-volume-control', that does support alsa and oss, both. |
| 07:54.14 | BibTeX | valdyn: Ok man! I got you |
| 07:54.19 | BibTeX | let me install the other things |
| 07:54.32 | valdyn | BibTeX: i think via gstreamer? not sure, ( apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins ) |
| 07:54.49 | deicidus | bibe: I tried mounting "mount 192.168.0.104:/mnt/nfs <folder on mac>" and "mount 192.168.0.104:/home/deicidus/incoming <folder on mac>" but i get "Permission denied" and "Operation not permitted", respectively |
| 07:55.10 | deicidus | bibe: and that was from the mac |
| 07:55.29 | BibTeX | valdyn: You have been very helpful. I appreciate it |
| 07:55.30 | bibe | deicidus : ok, I was writing down the 'procedure'... |
| 07:55.38 | BibTeX | valdyn: thank you very much |
| 07:55.46 | valdyn | BibTeX: welcome |
| 07:55.46 | deicidus | bibe: ok, thanks |
| 07:56.52 | dreamie | just a bit confused |
| 07:56.58 | dreamie | how can i get a smaller resolution |
| 07:56.59 | bibe | deicidus : add the line '192.168.0.104:/home/deicidus/incoming <directory_on_mac> nfs defaults 0 0' to the mac's /etc/fstab |
| 07:57.03 | dreamie | because what i have is too big |
| 07:57.43 | bibe | deicidus : then 'mount <directory_on_mac>' |
| 07:57.47 | valdyn | dreamie: in which desktop-environment, with which x driver |
| 07:57.55 | valdyn | !drxx dreamie |
| 07:57.56 | dpkg | dreamie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 07:58.09 | valdyn | dreamie: ^^^ that would be for everything, just not on the fly |
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| 07:59.32 | dreamie | ok you are gonna hate me for saying this |
| 07:59.41 | dreamie | but i dont know what desktop environment it is |
| 07:59.46 | dreamie | or which x driver |
| 07:59.49 | deicidus | bibe: ok. is it ok that /etc/fstab doesnt already exist? |
| 07:59.56 | dreamie | it doesnt say it anywhere |
| 08:00.02 | dreamie | all it saids is debian |
| 08:00.10 | BibTeX | valdyn: I have another question if you do not mind |
| 08:00.20 | bibe | deicidus : no... :-S |
| 08:00.22 | valdyn | dreamie: just do what dpkg said then. keep in mind that the monitor specs you specify need to permit whichever resolution you choose too |
| 08:00.27 | deicidus | bibe: also, it would be nice if i could mount it using mac's built-in "connect to server" GUI thingy |
| 08:00.30 | valdyn | BibTeX: just ask |
| 08:00.36 | BibTeX | valdyn: I am having trouble for the first time in my life with floppy disks. |
| 08:00.42 | deicidus | bibe: maybe it is .etc on the mac? let me check... |
| 08:00.46 | BibTeX | I do not have /dev/fd like usual |
| 08:00.56 | BibTeX | I have /dev/fd/0 1 2 3 255 |
| 08:00.59 | valdyn | BibTeX: you just switched to kernel 2.6.x ? |
| 08:01.04 | BibTeX | I am unable to mount a floppy |
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| 08:01.20 | BibTeX | yes I did, but I had 2.6 before and I have had /dev/fd |
| 08:01.45 | valdyn | BibTeX: /dev/fd/0 should be just the same.. |
| 08:01.55 | bibe | deicidus : sure, but you should try to 'isolate' the problem, from the GUI you don't know if the problem lies in the connection or in the GUI itself. And honestly, I don't know very well the 'connect to server' app |
| 08:02.25 | deicidus | bibe: ok. |
| 08:02.40 | deicidus | bibe: i found fstab. i guess on mac you need to specify the extension .hd. |
| 08:03.04 | deicidus | bibe: however, it warns that "This file does nothing, contains no useful data, and might go away in future releases. Do not depend on this file or its contents." |
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| 08:03.13 | BibTeX | valdyn: mount -t vfat /dev/fd/0 /media/floppy mount: /dev/fd/0 is not a block device |
| 08:03.20 | deicidus | bibe: should i continue adding that line? |
| 08:03.29 | valdyn | BibTeX: 'modprobe floppy' |
| 08:03.41 | mwilson | Why are the two of you trying so hard to destroy this Mac? There are easier ways. |
| 08:03.59 | valdyn | BibTeX: oh, btw, /dev/fd isnt for floppies, sorry |
| 08:04.16 | valdyn | BibTeX: /dev/fd0 should exist once you did that modprobe above |
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| 08:05.19 | BibTeX | valdyn: after the modprobe I am still without fd0 |
| 08:05.21 | mwilson | It should be an obvious indication that if you're having to go through all this nonsense, that you're doing it wrong. |
| 08:05.28 | BibTeX | and /dev/fd is for what? |
| 08:06.02 | dreamie | nope it didnt work |
| 08:06.08 | dreamie | it stayed the same resolution |
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| 08:06.25 | mwilson | Further, whether or not something is in fstab or not has nothing to do with whether or not it's actually a mountable thing. |
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| 08:06.43 | valdyn | BibTeX: what does 'dmesg' say about it? |
| 08:07.17 | BibTeX | valdyn: sorry, it took a couple of seocnds.... it has been inserted |
| 08:07.20 | deicidus | mwilson: i havent actually done anything to the mac (yet). the first thing was going to be editing fstab. what do you think we should do, then? |
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| 08:07.32 | BibTeX | do i have a tool to explore the File shystem of a floppy? |
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| 08:07.45 | mwilson | deicidus: Mount the bloody NFS share from the Finder, of course. |
| 08:08.01 | mwilson | deicidus: If that doesn't work, then fix what you've broken. |
| 08:08.03 | valdyn | BibTeX: mtools, if you dont want to mount it |
| 08:08.24 | Vibes | Hi! Is there a known issue for "kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device" and "kernel: Assertion failure in __journal_remove_journal_head() at journal.c:1731: "buffer_jbd(bh)"" on oldstable 2.4.18 kernel plz? |
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| 08:09.22 | deicidus | mwilson: from the finder it gives the same message as it has since i started: "Could not connect to the server because the name or password is not correct." |
| 08:09.35 | bob2 | Vibes: that sounds like your disk is toast |
| 08:09.40 | bob2 | or at least the partition table |
| 08:10.15 | valdyn | Vibes: we cannot diagnose this from here , with that few information, but bob2 is likely right. |
| 08:10.24 | BibTeX | valdyn: thanx a lot man, I have never been helped like this |
| 08:10.27 | BibTeX | have a nice day |
| 08:10.30 | mwilson | deicidus: You specify "nfs://192.168.0.104:/mnt/nfs" in Connect to Server, and it whines about a name? |
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| 08:11.17 | deicidus | mwilson: yes. i tried it with and without the colon (w/o is what the mac help describes) |
| 08:11.25 | deicidus | mwilson: same error |
| 08:11.28 | bibe | deicidus : sorry, I had to go to the other office |
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| 08:11.44 | mwilson | The colon is not required. |
| 08:11.49 | mwilson | Habit. |
| 08:11.49 | Vibes | From what i read, this is a bug in journal.c but what surprise me is that no patch seems to have been apply to kernel-image deb :x Harddrives are ok |
| 08:11.58 | deicidus | bibe: np at all. and im not sure of the etiquette, but it seems that mwilson is helping some now too |
| 08:12.16 | bob2 | Vibes: 2.4.18 is obsolete |
| 08:12.20 | bob2 | Vibes: it doesn't even work on sid |
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| 08:12.55 | bob2 | it seems unlikely that gnome-vfs has a nf client |
| 08:13.01 | Vibes | bob2: ok but I fear "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 08:13.05 | mwilson | deicidus: You must specify the complete path of the NFS export. |
| 08:13.10 | bob2 | Vibes: great |
| 08:13.21 | deicidus | mwilson: you mean, /home/deicidus/incoming? |
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| 08:13.31 | mwilson | deicidus: If that's what you're exporting. |
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| 08:13.49 | bibe | deicidus : if you still have problems, try this nice page: http://sial.org/howto/osx/automount/ |
| 08:14.04 | deicidus | mwilson: actually, i tried that first cause i really dont know what the nfs mount is for in the first place. same error. |
| 08:14.18 | hackeron | How do I set the listening host when creating an ssh tunnel? - As in I want it to be 192.168.0.1 instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:14.38 | deicidus | bibe: ok, im looking at it. thanks. |
| 08:14.38 | Vibes | bob2: for a production server, isn't it dangerous? |
| 08:14.40 | mwilson | deicidus: <sigh> What does the line look like in /etc/exports on the machine doing the sharing? |
| 08:14.46 | ukh | stupid question of the day: the OLD installer asked you if you wanted a full check on created filesystems (i.e mkfs.ext2 -c). Is there a smart option somewhere to do the same on the current sarge installer? |
| 08:14.58 | bob2 | Vibes: does "uname -r" print 2.4.18-bf2.4? |
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| 08:15.57 | deicidus | mwilson: it says "/home/deicidus/incoming 192.168.0.104(rw)" the directory is the one to be shared, the ip of the mac that will be the client |
| 08:16.20 | Vibes | bob2: no, I did an upgrade to 2.4.18-686 |
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| 08:16.42 | deicidus | mwilson: could this be a permissions thing? |
| 08:17.10 | mwilson | deicidus: Change that to read --> /home/deicidus/incoming 192.168.0.104(rw,insecure) |
| 08:17.24 | mwilson | deicidus: And reexport the shares. |
| 08:17.29 | deicidus | mwilson: ok. just saw that myself on that site that bibe gave me. |
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| 08:17.54 | mwilson | deicidus: You can ignore 99.9% of what's on that page... most of it is actively dangerous to your OS X installation. |
| 08:18.29 | deicidus | mwilson: k. i usually check commands before i run them (on my mac) |
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| 08:20.23 | mwilson | deicidus: Now, your mount path in the Finder is "nfs://name_or_IP_of_server/home/deicidus/incoming" |
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| 08:20.46 | deicidus | mwilson: ok. i changed it, restarted nfs, and tried connecting. same error. |
| 08:21.05 | mwilson | deicidus: If you actually have name resolution for the server (you can ping it by name), then you can use its name, otherwise you must use its IP address. |
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| 08:21.25 | iostream | Hi. I have a license question. If an icon-set is under the LGPL, am I allowed to use the icons (in unaltered form) as a part of a website I am developing and selling? |
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| 08:21.48 | dreamie | again |
| 08:21.51 | dreamie | how does marilla work |
| 08:22.03 | deicidus | mwilson: ok! adding insecure actually worked, but i had a typo (to put it simply) |
| 08:22.04 | frankie | iostream: afaik yes |
| 08:22.15 | LordBrain | iostream: ask #gnu i think |
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| 08:22.32 | deicidus | it works! |
| 08:22.39 | mwilson | deicidus: It usually does. |
| 08:22.48 | deicidus | so, it was the word "insecure" |
| 08:23.01 | deicidus | mwilson: does that mean my connection is somehow less secure? |
| 08:23.01 | iostream | frankie: Okay. |
| 08:23.04 | iostream | LordBrain: Will ask there. |
| 08:23.15 | ukh | argh. /sbin/badblocks isn't included at all on the sarge installer. why??? |
| 08:23.19 | Vibes | bob2: according to you, there's no risk to apt-get upgrade form old stable to stable? |
| 08:23.35 | bob2 | Vibes: I don't recall ever saying that |
| 08:23.41 | mwilson | It means that OS X uses a port above 1024, like the documentation says. Whether or not that's insecure is up to you. |
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| 08:23.52 | Vibes | bob2: that'why i ask :) |
| 08:24.02 | mwilson | ukh: If you actually need 'badblocks', take the disk out and throw it away NOW. |
| 08:24.03 | bob2 | of course it involves risk |
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| 08:25.30 | ukh | mwilson: I do loads of installations. way too often brand new IDE drives are broken. I accumulate about one broken IDE drive per month |
| 08:25.49 | Vibes | so I guess that old stable is no more "supported" and if I have bugs or problems, I'd better to upgrade to stable (with apt-get dist-upgrade or install from scratch new system) |
| 08:25.54 | mwilson | ukh: That's fine, I suppose, but I have no idea what that bit of information has to do with anything. |
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| 08:26.32 | ukh | mwilson: /sbin/badblocks is what the "-c" option on mkfs.ext3 uses to do a thorough test of the filesystem. |
| 08:26.41 | deicidus | mwilson: thats odd. i dont have sufficient privilages to delete a file there. i thought the (rw) meant read-write? |
| 08:27.14 | mwilson | ukh: No, 'badblocks' is what it uses to test blocks of the HD, and has nothing to do with the filesystem stored there. |
| 08:32.19 | mwilson | deicidus: It does. But that doesn't mean that permissions on the server are going to let you. |
| 08:32.19 | bob2 | Vibes: it's supported for security fixes, but I doubt anyone cares enough to upload fixes for old old kernel bugs |
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| 08:32.20 | bob2 | Vibes: you're welcome to try to do the upload yourself if you think it's worth fixing |
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| 08:32.20 | defcon8 | is it possible to do raw connections by proxies? how do i do it |
| 08:32.20 | bob2 | "raw connections? |
| 08:32.20 | mwilson | deicidus: If your UID on the Mac does not have rights to do something on the server, the server wins. |
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| 08:32.20 | mwilson | deicidus: Names are irrelevant in NFS. Only UID matters. |
| 08:32.21 | ukh | mwilson: exactly. so why isn't it there? how do you suggest I should check the drives prior to installing, less of physically removing them and attaching them to a working box? |
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| 08:32.21 | valdyn | ukh: d-i can do that iirc |
| 08:32.21 | mwilson | ukh: And I reiterate, if you have a HD that is actually showing bad blocks, then you need to be trashing it, not locking them out. |
| 08:32.21 | ukh | valdyn: how? |
| 08:32.21 | Vibes | bob2: I will look for it |
| 08:32.21 | deicidus | mwilson: ok. i think i can fix that. |
| 08:32.21 | deicidus | oh, cool! the network copy speed is way faster than windows |
| 08:32.21 | defcon8 | anyone? |
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| 08:32.21 | defcon8 | anyone know a programme to do raw connections by proxy? |
| 08:32.21 | ukh | mwilson: I'm *not* locking blocks out, I want to *test* the fcsking drives prior to installing and discovering them when it's too late |
| 08:32.22 | bob2 | defcon8: perhaps you should define "raw connections" |
| 08:32.22 | mwilson | ukh: If a drive manufactured in the last three years has run out of spare sectors and is actually exposing bad sectors to the interface, then it's this >< close to failing. |
| 08:32.22 | bob2 | defcon8: or, betetr still, tell us what you're trying to do |
| 08:32.22 | defcon8 | bob2, i want to give commands to certain servers by connecting to a proxy first |
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| 08:32.22 | JosephSpiros | Huh, last I checked the source of libobjc in GCC cvs, it included a root class, Object... unfortunately I can't find the interface (Object.h) anywhere on my system when I have libobjc1 installed, nor can I find a package with Object.h included |
| 08:32.22 | bob2 | defcon8: "give commands"? |
| 08:32.22 | ukh | mwilson: I know. My problem is that I want to *test* brand new drives *prior* to doing a full installation. |
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| 08:32.22 | tirkal | how do I get a list of time zones, so I can set the proper one? |
| 08:32.22 | defcon8 | bob2, trying to connect to a http server by proxy. i wanna get its headers |
| 08:32.22 | bob2 | tirkal: sudo tzconfig |
| 08:32.22 | defcon8 | i dont want the guy to get my ip |
| 08:32.23 | tirkal | bob2: thanks |
| 08:32.23 | bob2 | defcon8: riiiiight |
| 08:32.23 | dreamie | how do i add an ftp so that debian can install packages from it |
| 08:32.23 | bob2 | defcon8: apt-cache show libwww-perl |
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| 08:32.23 | ukh | mwilson: and "mkfs.ext3 -c" requires /sbin/badblocks to do the same test that the good ol' woody installer could be asked to do |
| 08:32.23 | defcon8 | bob2, i want a ready programme |
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| 08:32.23 | defcon8 | ahh crap it ill google it |
| 08:32.24 | bob2 | dreamie: that's configured in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:32.24 | valdyn | defcon8: whats wrong with using a http proxy for that? |
| 08:32.24 | dreamie | ok |
| 08:32.24 | dreamie | how do i get access to it |
| 08:32.24 | mwilson | ukh: <shrug> dd across the disk once, you're done. |
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| 08:33.00 | ukh | mwilson: yeah. but the old mkfs.ext3 -cc option could do a much more thorough test. |
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| 08:33.33 | mwilson | ukh: "thorough"? You have no idea how large the drive's sector pool is, so what's "thorough" and what isn't? |
| 08:34.21 | mwilson | ukh: You hit a bad one, the drive maps it out and goes on, your software has no idea it happened. Only when the drive RUNS OUT will you know, and dd will tell you that as fast as anything else will. |
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| 08:34.56 | deicidus | mwilson: hmm, actually some help would be nice. how do i give the user on the mac permission to write the files on the pc? |
| 08:35.18 | mwilson | deicidus: What UID are you on the Mac? |
| 08:35.37 | dreamie | how do i get out of VIM and save everything |
| 08:35.42 | bob2 | dreamie: :wq |
| 08:35.44 | deicidus | mwilson: 501? |
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| 08:35.54 | dondelelcaro | :wq!!!!!! |
| 08:35.59 | mwilson | deicidus: And does that UID even exist on the PC? |
| 08:36.07 | dreamie | trying that but its not working |
| 08:36.11 | valdyn | :x! |
| 08:36.19 | bob2 | dreamie: and "not working" means... |
| 08:36.22 | deicidus | mwilson: i dont know. probably not. |
| 08:36.26 | dreamie | its not working |
| 08:36.31 | dreamie | i did do it in terminal |
| 08:36.33 | mwilson | deicidus: You don't know? You can't look? |
| 08:36.44 | bob2 | dreamie: not working is not a useful description of the problem |
| 08:36.52 | frankie | dreamie: did you try :w! |
| 08:37.13 | frankie | dreamie: else you have not permission to change the file |
| 08:37.17 | ChrisH | dreamie: Perhaps you tried to change a file where you don't have write permissions. You should be told so. |
| 08:37.27 | ukh | mwilson: I know. so your suggestion is to ask the user to run dd a couple of times, rather than just having /sbin/badblocks installed as in the old times. and through out all hardware too old to run sarge. even fscking windows has the option of beating up the drive good before installing. oh well. |
| 08:37.44 | ukh | s/through/throw/ |
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| 08:38.10 | dondelelcaro | ukh: if the hardware is too old to run sarge, you can always run an old version of Debian |
| 08:38.10 | mwilson | ukh: *My* suggestion? Hardly. I don't let users *breathe* without permission, let alone make decisions about hardware. |
| 08:38.12 | Sepho | hi all!! |
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| 08:38.25 | dreamie | ok i figured that part out |
| 08:38.38 | dreamie | what i have not figured out is how to add this to sources |
| 08:38.45 | dreamie | how do i add marillat files |
| 08:38.49 | dondelelcaro | ukh: just don't expect it to be supported... |
| 08:39.15 | ukh | I'm getting too agitated. I'm out of here before I cry for blood. |
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| 08:39.24 | Gnea | dreamie: add the deb line to /etc/apt/sources.list :) |
| 08:39.42 | dondelelcaro | dreamie: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html has the deb line you'll need. |
| 08:39.42 | xiao | hi, one question about exim4. how to configure exim4 to use gmail as smarthost? |
| 08:39.44 | ChrisH | dreamie: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/deb |
| 08:39.45 | ChrisH | ian-marillat/index.html |
| 08:40.15 | Gnea | psychos |
| 08:40.21 | deicidus | mwilson: ok, i think i understand. it would be destructive to just change the UID of a user on the pc to match that on the mac, wouldnt it? |
| 08:40.31 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: it's ok; the people with the white jackets are coming |
| 08:40.39 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: wooo! |
| 08:40.48 | Gnea | i got a front row ticket |
| 08:40.58 | mwilson | deicidus: If you choose not to sync UID's, then you can man 5 exports and read about how to fake out the server. |
| 08:41.00 | dreamie | Gnea!!! |
| 08:41.13 | Gnea | oooo, hello :) |
| 08:41.48 | mwilson | deicidus: Or you can just mark /home/deicidus/incoming rwxrwxrwx and forget about it. |
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| 08:42.01 | Gnea | dreamie: so what's this about mplayer? |
| 08:42.05 | dreamie | malformed line 8 in source list |
| 08:42.11 | dreamie | the list of sources could not be read |
| 08:42.15 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:42.23 | Gnea | cut 'n paste line 8 |
| 08:42.40 | dreamie | exactly what dondelecaro wrote |
| 08:42.52 | Gnea | ah |
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| 08:43.00 | dreamie | ftp://ftp.nerim.net.debian-marillat/index.html |
| 08:43.01 | valdyn | xiao: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 08:43.03 | Gnea | ok - you need to add 'deb' in front |
| 08:43.04 | dondelelcaro | dreamie: no no... that's *where* the deb line is; not *what* the deb line is. |
| 08:43.14 | Gnea | actually |
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| 08:43.30 | dreamie | there is a deb in front |
| 08:43.40 | Gnea | dreamie: what he's saying is, open that url in your web browser, and get the proper line there to paste into |
| 08:43.42 | frankie | dreamie: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main |
| 08:43.43 | clem_yeats | hi... I've got a problem.. :) |
| 08:43.53 | dondelelcaro | dreamie: the deb line looks something like 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main' or similar |
| 08:44.00 | Gnea | clem_yeats: don't we all? :) |
| 08:44.00 | frankie | dreamie: and a 'deb' before that |
| 08:44.08 | clem_yeats | hmm... yes. |
| 08:44.20 | Gnea | !tell clem_yeats about ask |
| 08:44.47 | clem_yeats | ok |
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| 08:45.01 | dreamie | thanks |
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| 08:45.13 | dreamie | but what are the exact packages i need to install? |
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| 08:45.34 | clem_yeats | I've changed stable to testing in sources.list... done an update and dist-upgrade... waited for a while, answered some questions, rebooted.. and now I have a kernel panic :) |
| 08:45.36 | deicidus | mwilson: ill do that. the rwxrwxrwx. thats ok, right, since only the ip specified in exports can connect to the server? (and the mac that will be connecting should be quite secure, particularly physically) |
| 08:45.48 | frankie | dreamie: for wot? mplayer? |
| 08:45.49 | Gnea | dreamie: have you tried a program called synaptic? |
| 08:45.49 | xiao | valdyn: but gmail need SSL auth and it port is 587. i don't know how to set this option in exim4 |
| 08:46.18 | dreamie | frankie, i need marillat files to see if i can see a dvd on here |
| 08:46.24 | ndee | hi there, I have a file and I want to delete every line that contains a word like "harddisk". How can I do that? |
| 08:46.26 | valdyn | xiao: /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.SMTP-AUTH |
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| 08:46.48 | clem_yeats | anyone has an idea of why that happened and how to fix it ? |
| 08:46.52 | ndee | I tried something like cat file | grep "!harddisk" but it tells me it can't find that "event" |
| 08:47.11 | dondelelcaro | ndee: you want grep -v 'harddisk' < file > file.tmp; or similar. |
| 08:47.19 | dondelelcaro | ndee: man grep; for details |
| 08:47.23 | frankie | dreamie: _if_ the dvd has menu you need ogle, not mplayer. If it's a non-menu one mplayer+w32codecs |
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| 08:47.37 | Gnea | clem_yeats: well, best thing is to never dist-upgrade, for starters - always update, then upgrade - if that works, you can TRY dist-upgrade... |
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| 08:47.53 | jm_ | ndee: or use '' for strings containing ! |
| 08:47.56 | frankie | dreamie: anyway i would suggest to read the 'Suggested' package for mplayer and install all of them |
| 08:48.04 | dondelelcaro | frankie: xine also supports menus... |
| 08:48.06 | Gnea | dreamie: apt-get install synaptic <-- lets you choose packages from an easy-to-read GUI listing |
| 08:48.17 | clem_yeats | Gnea : how can I fix it ? |
| 08:48.27 | Gnea | clem_yeats: what's it panicing on? |
| 08:48.27 | frankie | dondelelcaro: yes, but i prefer command line tools :) |
| 08:48.49 | clem_yeats | Gnea : /sbin/init : 432 : cannot open dev/console : No such file |
| 08:48.51 | ndee | jm_: and I when I want "inverse" that? Can I put an ! infront of the '? |
| 08:49.10 | dondelelcaro | ndee: that's what the -v is for |
| 08:49.11 | dreamie | gnea, synaptic said that it cant use the ftp source |
| 08:49.12 | frankie | dreamie: so add xine to your 'totry' list |
| 08:49.15 | jm_ | ndee: no, that's what -v switch is for in grep, I thought you wanted to match literal '!' |
| 08:49.20 | Gnea | clem_yeats: ouch - how old is this installation and do you have any important files on there? |
| 08:49.23 | ndee | dondelelcaro: k |
| 08:49.23 | dreamie | frankie, did that. i already have xine |
| 08:49.37 | dondelelcaro | ndee: seriously, check out the grep manpage; and read about that flag; also info grep; and see the examples. |
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| 08:49.46 | clem_yeats | Gnea : none, I can erase and reinstall... but I'd like to understand what went wrong. |
| 08:49.55 | Gnea | dreamie: it's just a front-end to apt, really, so as long as apt-get update catches it, synaptic will fly with it just fine |
| 08:49.59 | ndee | dondelelcaro: found it. Thanks alot! |
| 08:50.25 | Guerin | what's not command-line about xine? |
| 08:50.36 | valdyn | clem_yeats: you must have /dev/console in your static /dev/, use a bootdisk of any kind, mount your root fs cd to its ./dev, mknod console c 5 1 |
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| 08:51.04 | dreamie | oh thats what i forgot to do |
| 08:51.07 | frankie | dreamie: mplayer-386 is the name of the pkg, and add libdvdcss and w32codecs too |
| 08:51.08 | dreamie | i forgot to update |
| 08:51.10 | Gnea | clem_yeats: you did an apt-get dist-upgrade instead of an apt-get upgrade - dist-upgrade upgrades a lot of low-level packages and binaries that utilize the packages that upgrade installs first |
| 08:51.12 | dreamie | thats why it wasnt working |
| 08:51.33 | dreamie | thanks frankie and gnea |
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| 08:51.51 | bob2 | Guerin: you can't skip back and forwards from the terminal you ran it in |
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| 08:51.59 | Gnea | dreamie: *hug* no problem |
| 08:52.01 | bob2 | Guerin: mplayer lets yo ucontrol everything at runtime in the terminal |
| 08:52.06 | frankie | dreamie: btw, you will have to configure mplayer config for -vo and -ao |
| 08:52.12 | clem_yeats | valdyn, Gnea : I think the upgrade changed my kernel... maybe I just need to change my Grub setting ?? |
| 08:52.13 | valdyn | clem_yeats: at some point in th past you must have fscked your /dev, i assume |
| 08:52.31 | valdyn | clem_yeats: oh, well, upgraded from what to what? |
| 08:52.37 | dreamie | what is -vo and -ao |
| 08:52.40 | clem_yeats | from Sarge to testing. |
| 08:52.50 | bni | How do I make patch understand a diff file that has filenames like example.c,v in it, the files I have on disk is named example.c and the like |
| 08:52.50 | bob2 | which I like when running it in screen over ssh from my laptop |
| 08:52.53 | jm_ | dreamie: read the docs |
| 08:52.54 | valdyn | clem_yeats: the kernel though? |
| 08:52.55 | dreamie | do i have to get mplayer? can't i just stick with xine |
| 08:52.57 | dondelelcaro | dreamie: video output and audio output, basically the drivers for video and audio, respectively. |
| 08:53.03 | dondelelcaro | dreamie: sure, you can just use xine if you like it. |
| 08:53.04 | Gnea | -vo loads video codecs, -ao is for audio codecs |
| 08:53.23 | clem_yeats | oh... valdyn, I don't know.. 2.4.27 default Sarge kernel to whatever is in testing I guess.. |
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| 08:53.26 | Gnea | dreamie: i use both, some formats play better with one or the other sometimes |
| 08:54.00 | valdyn | clem_yeats: it does matter if it is 2.4.x or 2.6.x |
| 08:54.23 | clem_yeats | valdyn : I had a 2.4 for sure after I installed Sarge. |
| 08:54.41 | valdyn | clem_yeats: alright then, try what i said above. |
| 08:54.47 | clem_yeats | valdyn : and then I replaced stable to testing in sources.list and made update and dist-upgrade |
| 08:54.54 | frankie | dreamie: in brief, video and audio output: mplayer -vo help and -ao help will give you some possible hints |
| 08:55.44 | frankie | dreamie: when you will have a decent result you can edit /etc/mplayer.conf and fix general config |
| 08:55.53 | jethro | good morning #debian |
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| 08:59.16 | dreamie | what is bs. ods |
| 08:59.24 | dreamie | bs is bullshit right |
| 08:59.27 | dreamie | what is ods |
| 08:59.27 | Gnea | bsods - blue screen of death |
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| 08:59.40 | deicidus | ok, mwilson, bibe, thanks for your help! im going to go eat chocolate cake and bask in the glow of my now-functional mldonkey server! |
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| 09:02.41 | tarzeau | why are some bugs bold and some are not bold, on b.d.o? |
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| 09:03.01 | tarzeau | oh wait, visited links... |
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| 09:08.43 | setog3 | hi , I run debian , and when I run glxgear I have this message : Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" , what can I do ? |
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| 09:09.46 | versuchsanstalt | can anyone point me to the obvious clue to enable a default sarge install to power down automatically? This is a recent desktop machine. |
| 09:09.57 | Maulkin | setog3: You need to include the DRI module in your XFree86 config |
| 09:10.00 | versuchsanstalt | should be a grub line, i guess |
| 09:10.06 | Maulkin | setog3: Need help with that? :) |
| 09:10.14 | valdyn | !drxx setog3 |
| 09:10.15 | dpkg | setog3: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:10.17 | dingo | any script like postal to load test courier imap?? |
| 09:10.18 | jm_ | you don't need any GRUB lines, load ACPI modules |
| 09:10.24 | valdyn | setog3: ^^ and answer yes to add the default DRI section |
| 09:10.26 | jm_ | and use poweroff command |
| 09:10.28 | chemaja | versuchsanstalt: which command are u using to shutdown? |
| 09:10.36 | versuchsanstalt | jm_: i see, load the modules and i'm fine. thanks. |
| 09:10.39 | axioms | question: i can't see my ntfs/fat extended partitions, only primary paritions appear on parition tables? |
| 09:10.46 | versuchsanstalt | chemaja: halt, shutdown -h 0 and the like |
| 09:10.51 | jm_ | versuchsanstalt: well ideally anyway |
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| 09:10.57 | chemaja | versuchsanstalt: whoops --- what jm_ said :) |
| 09:10.59 | versuchsanstalt | jm_: :-) |
| 09:11.01 | Maulkin | axioms: What are you using to 'see' the partitions? |
| 09:11.04 | versuchsanstalt | chemaja: i see. |
| 09:11.07 | axioms | parted |
| 09:11.12 | setog3 | I have this in my xorg.conf and this : Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection |
| 09:11.21 | versuchsanstalt | thank both of you, i'm gonna try that |
| 09:12.32 | valdyn | !setup x |
| 09:12.32 | dpkg | i heard set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge, etch or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. in sid, choose ... |
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| 09:12.33 | Maulkin | axioms: could you use 'cfdisk'? |
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| 09:12.53 | setog3 | hmm, in the log I read that (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering not yet supported on Radeon 9500 and newer cards .. |
| 09:13.09 | axioms | still don't appear |
| 09:13.15 | axioms | i'm trying to mount them |
| 09:13.20 | Eclipser | Direct rendering works fine for my radeon 9600xt ultimate |
| 09:13.24 | axioms | could i have a missing package or something |
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| 09:13.47 | Eclipser | with fglrx :) |
| 09:13.57 | valdyn | !fglrx |
| 09:13.57 | dpkg | [fglrx] see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 09:14.06 | setog3 | Eclipser, I have some bug with fglrx ! |
| 09:14.16 | setog3 | so I try another way , with open source driver |
| 09:14.17 | Eclipser | it works fine for me :) |
| 09:14.29 | Daffy-PKF | here is my problem: i installed grub on the windows hard drive, but shouldn't, now it is installed on the linux hard drive mbr, wich is good, but when i ask grub to boot windows, it just boot another grub... what can i do? |
| 09:14.44 | Maulkin | axioms: Sounds silly, but are you sure they actually exist? :) |
| 09:15.00 | versuchsanstalt | dpkg: power down is Try loading the acpi module to enable your machine to automatically power off at the end of the shutdown process. If you can't load acpi modul, try the apm module instead. |
| 09:15.00 | dpkg | okay, versuchsanstalt |
| 09:15.12 | versuchsanstalt | argh, typo. |
| 09:15.19 | versuchsanstalt | but better than nada. |
| 09:15.20 | Maulkin | Daffy-PKF: which version of windows? |
| 09:15.23 | versuchsanstalt | thanks all. |
| 09:15.37 | Daffy-PKF | Maulkin> XP pro |
| 09:15.52 | jm_ | !power down =~ s/modul,/module,/ |
| 09:15.52 | dpkg | OK, jm_ |
| 09:15.53 | concept10 | what processes need to be running in order to use NFS (server side) |
| 09:15.55 | [bman] | Daffy-PKF: you can boot your windows install disk with just your windows partition connected, and go to the manual repair and type fixmbr |
| 09:16.02 | jm_ | concept10: did you read NFS howto? |
| 09:16.08 | Daffy-PKF | Maulkin> and i don't have the install cd (not my computer) |
| 09:16.08 | versuchsanstalt | jm_: thanks for the dpkg magic ;-) |
| 09:16.15 | Maulkin | Daffy-PKF: Ahh, not sure with XP Pro. Win Win2k<3> you insert your install disk, and then select "Repair this installation" |
| 09:16.18 | concept10 | jm_: where? |
| 09:16.22 | jm_ | versuchsanstalt: acpid + powerbutton modules are also useful |
| 09:16.23 | Maulkin | s/insert/boot off/ |
| 09:16.24 | jm_ | module |
| 09:16.36 | Guerin | concept10: do the troubleshooting guide on tldp.org's nfs howto |
| 09:16.37 | Daffy-PKF | ho, so i absolutely need the install cd... |
| 09:16.41 | versuchsanstalt | jm_: this is my mother's machine. 'nuff said. |
| 09:16.45 | Maulkin | Daffy-PKF: Ahh, yes, you do. |
| 09:16.48 | Guerin | concept10: it goes through precisely these issues |
| 09:16.57 | versuchsanstalt | jm_: (apm) |
| 09:17.02 | Maulkin | Daffy-PKF: You basically need window's boot loader installed. |
| 09:17.07 | Daffy-PKF | hmmm well, i'll try to find one |
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| 09:17.26 | Maulkin | Daffy-PKF: So unless you can get it from elsewhere, you need one from the install disk. |
| 09:17.29 | axioms | ya |
| 09:17.30 | jm_ | versuchsanstalt: then it's apmd |
| 09:17.38 | Guerin | Daffy-PKF: fdisk on windows should reset the bootloader |
| 09:17.38 | axioms | i went to windows and they're still there |
| 09:17.43 | versuchsanstalt | jm_: ok, thanks. i will read that up. |
| 09:18.04 | concept10 | Guerin: alrighty then, i will do that |
| 09:18.07 | Guerin | grub can boot from a userspace bootstrapping sytem, though |
| 09:18.23 | Guerin | it doesn't need a boot record on the windows drive |
| 09:18.49 | axioms | some packages failed to install while i was installing debian |
| 09:18.52 | axioms | could that be it? |
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| 09:20.37 | Maulkin | axioms: I doubt it, but it could do. Which packages? |
| 09:20.44 | Maulkin | axioms: And what version of windows is it? |
| 09:20.54 | mike_ | hi, im coding a network app (fserve irc robot) and i'd like it to use SSL. Are there any resources available that explains ssl? |
| 09:21.06 | Maulkin | axioms: IIRC, windows can actually 'pretend' to create partitions. |
| 09:21.28 | Maulkin | mike_: hi there. What language? |
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| 09:21.35 | mike_ | Maulkin: C |
| 09:21.37 | mike_ | ;) |
| 09:23.00 | axioms | win2k |
| 09:23.11 | axioms | i'm just trying to mount them |
| 09:23.16 | Maulkin | mike_: the spec is at: http://wp.netscape.com/eng/security/SSL_2.html |
| 09:23.19 | axioms | i don't want to repartition or anything |
| 09:23.29 | Maulkin | mike_: You're probably better off using a library though |
| 09:23.32 | xiao | how to change exim4 ssl port when using smarthost? |
| 09:23.42 | Maulkin | axioms: What's in /dev for that drive? |
| 09:23.43 | mike_ | Maulkin: thanks mate |
| 09:24.15 | Maulkin | mike_: libssl-dev may be of interest |
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| 09:24.22 | versuchsanstalt | how does appending a sentence to dpkg's answers work, without the usual "is also..." prefix? |
| 09:24.27 | axioms | hows that? |
| 09:24.35 | jm_ | versuchsanstalt: see above |
| 09:24.53 | versuchsanstalt | jay. true. |
| 09:25.05 | Maulkin | axioms: Ok... is the windows drive hda, or hdb or what? |
| 09:25.05 | jm_ | it works like s/// in perl |
| 09:25.29 | dondelelcaro | versuchsanstalt: far better to use =~ s///; if possible since otherwise it just strings together stuff with or |
| 09:25.54 | setog3 | Eclipser, I think my problem isn't due to driver but to hardware , because I have problem with the xv , some green line |
| 09:26.29 | axioms | hdc |
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| 09:27.56 | versuchsanstalt | dondelelcaro: yep, that's exactly why i was asking. thanks both. |
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| 09:28.22 | versuchsanstalt | i don't know if this is in /msg dpkg help... ? |
| 09:28.29 | litage | when i run `hostname NAME`, the box's hostname is changed, but why isn't the new name put into /etc/hostname ? |
| 09:29.47 | versuchsanstalt | litage: isn't that very practical not to put it in the file? |
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| 09:30.02 | Maulkin | axioms: And it's a vfat drive? |
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| 09:30.09 | litage | versuchsanstalt: ? |
| 09:30.16 | deleric_ | dfijuhnvfdkjn |
| 09:30.20 | axioms | i have 1 vfat |
| 09:30.22 | axioms | and 1 ntfs |
| 09:30.30 | axioms | the primary, which i can mount, is ntfs |
| 09:30.43 | Maulkin | axioms: could you just try "lsmod | grep fat" and tell me the output? |
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| 09:31.13 | Maulkin | axioms: I assume the second is FAT32 then? |
| 09:31.46 | Maulkin | axioms: ie: /dev/hdc2 |
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| 09:32.03 | frankie | litage: it's not in the hostname file because hostname storing is a per initscript setup, hostname program not |
| 09:32.07 | axioms | no output for that command |
| 09:32.09 | versuchsanstalt | versuchsanstalt: use the command to change the hostname ad hoc, the file to store your decision. |
| 09:32.20 | versuchsanstalt | this was not to myself, but to litage |
| 09:32.22 | shomon | hi - I can't get xmms or realplayer to play when esd is running. Is this normal? |
| 09:32.24 | axioms | i've tried to mount all the hdc numbers |
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| 09:32.39 | axioms | but shouldn't an extend drive have number >5 |
| 09:32.40 | frankie | litage: hostname is the same on debian, fedora adn what else, init scripts no |
| 09:32.47 | jm_ | shomon: more or less, esd has -ac switch which helps, or just use ALSA + dmix and disable esd |
| 09:32.56 | jm_ | pardon -as |
| 09:32.58 | e1vis | /jump ##linux |
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| 09:33.50 | Maulkin | axioms: ahh, ok. Can you please run [modprobe vfat; modprobe fat;echo "fat" >> /etc/modules; echo "vfat" >> /etc/modules;] |
| 09:33.59 | frankie | shomon: yes, a sound demon locks sound devices in exclusive mode, you need to use the daemon interface to get sound |
| 09:34.05 | shomon | ah - alsa is probably better anyway... |
| 09:34.06 | Maulkin | axioms: Basically, your kernel modules aren't loaded. |
| 09:34.33 | litage | i just changed the hostname with `hostname VSHOST && echo VSHOST >/etc/hostname` and rebooted the box, but `hostname` still returns the old name |
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| 09:35.15 | versuchsanstalt | shomon: with xmms there should be an output plugin for esd or any other sound demon of your choice |
| 09:35.30 | versuchsanstalt | shomon: i am not sure about realplayer |
| 09:35.45 | axioms | ok give me a sec |
| 09:35.45 | bibe | hi all. I am looking for an RSS feed with the latest Sarge updates, do you know if Debian offers such a feed? Or should I try to build it and make it available? Would that be interesting? |
| 09:36.13 | frankie | litage: and wot's the contents of /etc/hostname now? |
| 09:36.14 | vorlon | bibe: you mean www.debian.org/security/dsa.rdf? |
| 09:36.17 | shomon | ok. actually the alsa stuff seems good, if it will just let stuff work. Otherwise I'll just switch it off when I'm listening to music, but then I won't hear desktop events... |
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| 09:36.29 | litage | Frankablu: /etc/hostname contains VSHOST, but `hostname` returns the old name |
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| 09:36.42 | shomon | I used to have rh9.1 which was somehow set up so any sound app would get to make noise... |
| 09:36.59 | frankie | litage: did you reboot or what? |
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| 09:37.06 | mwilson | Somehow I doubt Sarge changes enough to make an RSS feed even remotely worthwhile. |
| 09:37.08 | litage | frankie: yes, i rebooted |
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| 09:37.19 | axioms | ok |
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| 09:37.22 | mwilson | It being the *stable* distribution, after all. |
| 09:37.31 | axioms | you're right "cant't find module" |
| 09:37.37 | iara | hi all |
| 09:37.45 | axioms | so |
| 09:37.48 | iara | What program can uncompress .rar archives¿¿? |
| 09:37.53 | mwilson | You can accomplish the same thing more easily by simply subscribing to d-s-a. |
| 09:37.53 | versuchsanstalt | iara: unrar |
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| 09:38.01 | axioms | how do you install a new module? :) |
| 09:38.19 | GregM | anyone familiar with thttpd ? tried a bash cgi script on my apache server works fine. but cant for the life of me get it to work with thttpd |
| 09:38.28 | jm_ | iara: how about rar? |
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| 09:38.34 | frankie | litage: did you check your /etc/hosts ? |
| 09:39.11 | litage | frankie: yes. it's correct |
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| 09:39.17 | iara | versuchsanstalt: but unrar don't be at apt repositories |
| 09:39.40 | versuchsanstalt | iara: oh, i see. try apt-get.org maybe. |
| 09:39.40 | EddieSam | iara: unrar-free is in main, unrar is in non-free |
| 09:39.46 | mwilson | iara: Usually the same pirates you got the warez from can provide you with unrar. |
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| 09:40.11 | frankie | litage: the box starts /etc/init.d/hostname.sh at its startup, and it set the hostname as shown in /etc/hostname. If you get something else, another script alters that behavior |
| 09:40.20 | pngwn | iara, apt-cache search unrar-free ? |
| 09:40.24 | Om | Hey, I installed a deb-src package yesterday (sudo apt-get --compile source libomnithread3) and `dpkg -i`ed it. The binary version of the package hasn't changed since then, but when I `sudo apt-get update` and `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` then it wants to install the binary package. WhY? |
| 09:40.35 | litage | frankie: ah i see |
| 09:40.39 | shomon | ok thanks for the help everyone! |
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| 09:40.54 | iLLf8d | evening all |
| 09:41.02 | mwilson | Om: Because, as documented, the Debian package always wins. |
| 09:41.03 | litage | frankie: i just figured out what the problem is, actually. the machine whose hostname i'm trying to change is a vserver, which is mucking it up =P |
| 09:41.11 | litage | frankie: thanks for your help with this |
| 09:41.13 | rik_ | Hmm...I just backed up ~/evolution and ~/gconf/apps/evolution but when I restore them on a new system (stable) and start evolution it tries to run the new accout druid. Any ideas please? |
| 09:41.24 | mwilson | Om: If you want yours to win, add something to the version so yours is later. |
| 09:41.28 | iLLf8d | can someone tell me how to get non packaged ttf fonts working correctly in x? |
| 09:41.48 | raz___ | i cant send mail with exim : it halt .. .i must control+c tro stop it |
| 09:41.54 | frankie | litage: that makes sense |
| 09:42.00 | Om | How can I edit the version *after* the install? I don't have the .deb I made any more (hdd space issues) |
| 09:42.08 | sourcerer | Is Eric Dorland here? |
| 09:42.12 | mwilson | So make the deb again. |
| 09:42.14 | cahoot | put it on hold? |
| 09:42.25 | jenner | Om: set the package on hold |
| 09:42.33 | Om | Yay, another few hours compiling. |
| 09:42.38 | Om | jenner, how can I do that? :) |
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| 09:43.34 | e1vis | /part |
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| 09:43.34 | EddieSam | Om: use aptitude or dselect, or 'echo <package> hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 09:43.48 | raz___ | i dont manage to send mail with exim, i tryed a baseconfig and dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config successless |
| 09:43.53 | jenner | Om: `dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt`, then open selections.txt in an editor, search for the package and replace "install" with "hold", run `dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt` afterwards |
| 09:44.04 | jenner | ow well :9 |
| 09:44.14 | e1vis | /part |
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| 09:44.16 | Om | Okey, thanks! :) |
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| 09:44.38 | EddieSam | elvis has left the building. |
| 09:44.47 | jenner | hehe |
| 09:44.52 | Eclipser | must be a large building |
| 09:45.02 | orchid | iLLf8d: I copy the font to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc ; cd there as root and do mkfontdir; then: xset fp rehash ; then /etc/init.d/xfs restart |
| 09:45.04 | EddieSam | Took him a while to find the way out. :) |
| 09:45.56 | jm_ | !tell iLLf8d -about xf4ttf |
| 09:45.57 | iLLf8d | orchid: thanks |
| 09:46.02 | orchid | iLLf8d: it might not be the "debian way" but it worked for me |
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| 09:46.52 | iLLf8d | orchid: I dunno seems every piece of info I've found is way outdated (everywhere) |
| 09:47.02 | orchid | heh, yep |
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| 09:47.15 | walaoa | does debian 'testing' run on Celeron? |
| 09:47.18 | jm_ | that's because a lot of apps have switched to fontconfig |
| 09:47.34 | Eclipser | walaoa, of course? |
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| 09:47.53 | iLLf8d | orchid: so that works for ttfs also? or do you run the xfs-xtt? |
| 09:48.44 | axioms | how can i load/install a kernel module? |
| 09:49.14 | goldfish | modprobe ? |
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| 09:49.19 | raz___ | make-kpkg kernel_module ? |
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| 09:49.42 | rik_ | don't panic mr. mannering! Beyond the druid lie my virtual folders. I slap my wrists and proffer my prostrate form in humble forgiveness for being a fool. |
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| 09:50.04 | iLLf8d | that and my ttmkfdir segfaults always a bad sign (even after reinstall) |
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| 09:50.55 | concept10 | Is there a way to mount many directories/folders in one folder? I want to mount all of my music drives in one folder |
| 09:51.11 | walaoa | Eclipser: it can be specified during installation,right? |
| 09:51.12 | jm_ | concept10: unionfs if it works well |
| 09:51.17 | omnibike | hi.. can bind be dynamic ? |
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| 09:51.40 | pere | omnibike: what do you mean by dynamic bind? automatically updated? |
| 09:51.45 | concept10 | jm_: okay, I will look that up |
| 09:51.49 | omnibike | dynamic dns |
| 09:52.02 | Hyoga | hello guys ! |
| 09:52.30 | pere | omnibike: there are dns servers in debian supporting dynamic dns, yes. do not remember the name. there is also the nss-mdns for multicast dns (useful in a zeroconf environment). |
| 09:53.05 | omnibike | but I suppose they all must integrate with dhcp |
| 09:53.11 | vorlon | pere: "bind9"? :) |
| 09:53.20 | pere | vorlon: ok. :) |
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| 09:53.37 | omnibike | pere: bind 9 supports dynamic dns ? |
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| 09:53.46 | omnibike | vorlon ? |
| 09:53.47 | walaoa | anyone currently running debian on Asus notebook? |
| 09:54.04 | pere | omnibike: sorry, I am not a DNS guru. I'm not sure. |
| 09:54.09 | Zomb | walaoa: ask your question |
| 09:54.11 | Yoe | walaoa: not specifically, but I know someone who does; why? |
| 09:54.14 | shingouz | omnibike: no dhcp needed. www.dyndns.org is one, you need the appropriate client for it too, the client is already in debian so you can apt-get it in place |
| 09:54.20 | vorlon | omnibike: bind9 supports dyndns. |
| 09:54.20 | walaoa | pere: install no-ip |
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| 09:54.44 | omnibike | vorlon: does it integrate with dhcp ? |
| 09:54.47 | vorlon | omnibike: can't help you with the actual configuration, as I've never done it. |
| 09:54.54 | omnibike | thats cool |
| 09:55.01 | shingouz | omnibike: dhcp has nothing to do with it |
| 09:55.06 | omnibike | I'll research |
| 09:55.10 | vorlon | omnibike: er, no, it doesn't integrate with dhcp; it uses the RFC standard dyndns protocol to accept updates |
| 09:55.19 | walaoa | dyndns has a time limit of one month, but not no-ip and this is a debian package for it. |
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| 09:55.26 | vorlon | any integration with dhcp requires support for that protocol in either your dhcp clients, or your dhcp server. |
| 09:55.28 | Yoe | vorlon: ... but then DHCP can be made to use that RFC standard dyndns protocol, too |
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| 09:55.39 | vorlon | Yoe: yes, but that's not active on bind's part. :) |
| 09:55.48 | Yoe | vorlon: well, no. |
| 09:55.52 | shingouz | walaoa: omnibike dyndns works forever if the hosts are up at least once a month |
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| 09:57.39 | omnibike | most dynamic dns I know allow dhcp to update records |
| 09:58.05 | walaoa | shingouz:is there a debian package for omnibike? in what way is omnibike better than no-ip? |
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| 09:58.36 | omnibike | ?? |
| 09:58.50 | fireba11 | lol |
| 09:58.55 | Daffy-PKF | well... that's strange, if someone can explain me... i have grub and linux on hda, windows xp pro on hdb. before i installed grub on hdb, and now if i choose to boot windows at startup, it just load another grub (the one on hdb), i tried that: rmove hda from the computer, put hdb in place of hda, boot windows xp installation cd, ask to repair windows, run fixmbr. That didn't changed anything, i still have a second grub loading when asking t |
| 09:58.55 | Daffy-PKF | o boot windows |
| 09:58.57 | walaoa | no sorry, i mean to compare dyndns and no-ip. |
| 09:59.38 | fireba11 | walaoa: both tend to delete account if you get accused of anythign without checking though :-( |
| 09:59.38 | jm_ | so obviosuly Windows "repair" didn't do its job |
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| 10:00.15 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> right... |
| 10:00.27 | walaoa | shingouz: is there a package for dyndns? |
| 10:00.29 | raz___ | anyone can help me please ? |
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| 10:00.31 | Daffy-PKF | but how can i boot windows again if its not? |
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| 10:00.51 | dreamie | how do you install a debian package from a website |
| 10:01.09 | raz___ | thats 3 time or 4 i ask for exim4 config help please it is very important to make rule this soft thats for my nagios system alert |
| 10:01.14 | linuxg0d | apt-get |
| 10:01.17 | linuxg0d | man apt-get |
| 10:01.23 | shingouz | walaoa: dammit, apt-cache search dyndns and omnibike was a nick |
| 10:01.42 | dreamie | ok what if the package is in your download manager |
| 10:02.40 | iLLf8d | dreamie: dpkg -i your.deb |
| 10:02.49 | iLLf8d | make sure its ot borked and has its dependencies tho |
| 10:02.52 | iLLf8d | s/ot/not |
| 10:02.55 | shingouz | walaoa: what way it is dyndns is better or worse than no-ip is something i do not know, i have never tried no-ip nor do i care to try it. |
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| 10:03.10 | walaoa | shingouz: omnibike is a chatter's nickname! |
| 10:03.21 | shingouz | walaoa: thank you, i know |
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| 10:03.34 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: chainload it |
| 10:04.06 | walaoa | shingouz: then why do you search for a package of this name? |
| 10:04.39 | stockholm | raz___: did you ask your question yet? |
| 10:04.54 | shingouz | walaoa: <walaoa> shingouz:is there a debian package for omnibike? in what way is omnibike better than no-ip? <-- i don't but you seem to be doing it |
| 10:05.15 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> it's what i do, here is the windows part of my menu.lst: "root (hd1,0) makeactive chainloader +1" |
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| 10:05.31 | gAri- | hi anyone has any experience with asus PCH-DL motherboard? its a dual xeon board, with a promise 20378 controller and intel 9300ESB. the promise is PATA the 9300 is SATA on this board. but normally 20378 is a SATA chip. I'm not able to configure 2.6.13 in a way that my PATA hard drive is recognized. anyone an idea? |
| 10:05.44 | shingouz | !anyone |
| 10:05.44 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:05.46 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: and what happens with it? |
| 10:05.58 | raz___ | u see when i type ? |
| 10:06.10 | raz___ | anyone ? |
| 10:06.12 | raz___ | please |
| 10:06.13 | raz___ | ... |
| 10:06.17 | walaoa | shingouz: before this, you have written "omnibike dyndns works forever..." |
| 10:06.31 | gAri- | thank you for clearing me this. next time I wont use the word anyone it that makes you happy. |
| 10:06.43 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> ho you mean to asl the SECOND grub to chainload? |
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| 10:06.57 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: I can't parse this question |
| 10:07.00 | mike_ | shingouz: he didn't even say "anyone:" |
| 10:07.07 | raz___ | haha... i manage :D |
| 10:07.09 | stockholm | raz___: yes, we see when you type, but it is not very much content in your stuff. |
| 10:07.13 | raz___ | thx "leets" |
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| 10:07.20 | raz___ | poor guyz r all |
| 10:07.39 | shingouz | mike_: who did not say "anyone"? |
| 10:07.41 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> can't parse? sorry i don't understand (my english is bad) |
| 10:07.58 | shingouz | !lart walaoa |
| 10:08.11 | mike_ | shingouz: gAri- |
| 10:08.20 | stockholm | shingouz: please stop abusing people with dpkg |
| 10:08.28 | shingouz | mike_: read his statement again |
| 10:08.37 | mike_ | shingouz: no dude, he didn't say this: |
| 10:08.45 | mike_ | anyone: i have a question |
| 10:08.47 | stockholm | !op |
| 10:09.42 | Eclipser | !hit stockholm |
| 10:09.46 | jethro | mike_: he even said it twice |
| 10:09.48 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: ask it again using different words |
| 10:09.58 | shingouz | i am confused, has #debian suddenly turned into a kindergarten? |
| 10:10.00 | stockholm | ! ops shingouz abuses peole with dpkg |
| 10:10.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: shingouz abuses peole with dpkg |
| 10:10.04 | jethro | shingouz: yes |
| 10:10.10 | stockholm | wow |
| 10:10.18 | jethro | stockholm: quit this, that wasn't abusing .. |
| 10:10.46 | shingouz | jfc... i need a) some caffeine, b) more caffeine, c) a smoke but that would result in me being killed by my gf |
| 10:10.47 | jethro | shingouz: there's something going on on some private channels, because some helpee complained that helpers in #debian were rude |
| 10:10.50 | walaoa | now, what is this all about!? |
| 10:11.13 | shingouz | jethro: ? |
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| 10:11.36 | jethro | shingouz: now everytime an helpee acts like a moron, and a helper uses the bot to lart him, then the helpee will complain, and others will call ops to mention that the helper is not nice |
| 10:12.10 | stockholm | duh, this is useless if dpkg cant give me the list of ops *active* |
| 10:12.11 | jethro | shingouz: which leads to #debian looking like a kindergarten |
| 10:12.15 | shingouz | jethro: sounds good. </sarcasm> |
| 10:12.22 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> i'd like to know if you mean asking the grub on the windows hard drive to chainload windows |
| 10:12.24 | jethro | shingouz: this is utterly fucked up |
| 10:12.46 | jethro | shingouz: I agree helpers can be rude sometimes, but most of the time, when they are rude, that's for good reasons |
| 10:12.54 | jethro | anyway, that's just my 2 cents |
| 10:12.55 | shingouz | jethro: mind your language, someone might be insulted by it ;) |
| 10:13.00 | jethro | shingouz: heh |
| 10:13.01 | dreamie | if the file is in file:///tmp/*.deb how can i retrieve the package |
| 10:13.01 | stockholm | jethro: there is no good reason to be rude |
| 10:13.02 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: no, the one on hda |
| 10:13.09 | jethro | *plonk* |
| 10:13.33 | hairy_potter | dreamie: debian cleans up /tmp, so it shouldn't be in the first place |
| 10:13.34 | shingouz | my /ignore will become immense |
| 10:13.37 | jethro | some people need to spend more time in #debian to understand why other people deserve a attitude readjustment |
| 10:13.51 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> it's already done, it loads the grub on hdb |
| 10:13.53 | walaoa | what is this about "lart' a person? |
| 10:13.57 | litage | which animals talk a lot? |
| 10:14.03 | jethro | ~wtf lart |
| 10:14.04 | hairy_potter | litage: humans |
| 10:14.13 | litage | hairy_potter: keep going.. |
| 10:14.26 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: and I said it should chainload Windows, not GRUB ... |
| 10:14.46 | dreamie | hairy_potter, this particular package is in temp i downloaded it from a website.. how can i get the package and install it |
| 10:14.51 | walaoa | now, what is a luser? |
| 10:15.24 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> so... why it don't? |
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| 10:15.32 | jethro | !fgi me foo |
| 10:15.33 | dpkg | jethro: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=foo |
| 10:15.36 | jethro | hah |
| 10:15.49 | jethro | all this mess about helpers attitude, and dpkg still has lart and fgi |
| 10:16.50 | shingouz | i am guessing one of two things will happen. either the /ignore will be used massively or we will see some /parts |
| 10:16.59 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: because you didn't configure it that way? |
| 10:17.05 | jethro | shingouz: I'd rather not see most of the good helpers /part |
| 10:17.12 | shingouz | jethro: ditto |
| 10:17.30 | jethro | shingouz: but some already protest against what's going on and keep their mouth shut |
| 10:17.42 | sam` | hi. when will the PT_GNU_STACK problem be taken seriously by debian maintainers ? |
| 10:17.48 | jethro | shingouz: you probably noticed that support is no longer as good as it used to be some weeks ago didn't you? |
| 10:18.04 | shingouz | jethro: i have noticed, the channel is real quiet now and the "support" begins to suck |
| 10:18.36 | jethro | shingouz: that's all they're going to achieve |
| 10:18.45 | walaoa | what is the attitude towards the word 'anyone' in this chatroom, it is offensive or moronic? |
| 10:18.47 | shingouz | jethro: true |
| 10:19.09 | shingouz | walaoa: channel, not room. channel |
| 10:19.10 | jethro | shingouz: and I'd bet on the fact that new helpers will soon or late become rude as well, because dealing with lusers or trolls can drive one angry |
| 10:19.39 | shingouz | jethro: that is why we all are a bit short tempered and rude |
| 10:19.45 | jethro | shingouz: indeed |
| 10:19.52 | walaoa | shingouz: thks for the correction, what you have not answered the q. |
| 10:19.59 | jethro | shingouz: but some people who never helped in here feel like they know better |
| 10:20.02 | shingouz | *plonk* |
| 10:20.11 | shingouz | jethro: true |
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| 10:20.38 | Zomb | jethro: arrogance, ignorance, smart-ass-beeing, the whole spectrum of human motions |
| 10:20.39 | jethro | off to lunch, ttyl shingouz |
| 10:20.50 | shingouz | jethro: i have to get some nics |
| 10:20.59 | jethro | Zomb: you're calling me arrogant, ignorant, ans smart ass beeing? |
| 10:21.16 | jethro | s/ans/and/ |
| 10:21.16 | walaoa | are there people who are officially designated as helpers in this channel? or are they self appointed? |
| 10:21.17 | Zomb | jethro: not you directly |
| 10:21.34 | shingouz | Zomb: wtf? |
| 10:21.41 | Zomb | forget it |
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| 10:22.56 | walaoa | shingouz: jethro: are there people who are officially designated as helpers in this channel? or are they self appointed? |
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| 10:24.50 | jm_ | it's all voluntary |
| 10:25.10 | hairy_potter | dreamie: well, if you _downloaded_ the .deb, you gotta do dpkg -i /tmp/file.deb |
| 10:25.22 | hairy_potter | dreamie: but installing .debs randomly like that is not recommended. |
| 10:27.06 | walaoa | jm_: are there identified in the list? |
| 10:27.17 | unixrox | man i am still recovering from that last dist upgrade and broken packages |
| 10:27.19 | Zomb | walaoa: why do you need to know? |
| 10:27.26 | jm_ | walaoa: no, just sit back and watch who is helping people |
| 10:27.42 | unixrox | this is the hardest that it has been |
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| 10:28.13 | Morti | 'ello. |
| 10:28.26 | Morti | X can't find the font 'fixed'. How do I fix it? I have xfonts-base installed. |
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| 10:28.32 | walaoa | Zomb: jm_: just curious. Also, there are people who can cut off other people from the chat. Do they have special authority to do this? |
| 10:28.36 | jm_ | recheck your font path |
| 10:28.37 | rainmaker | Is it good to run the latest unstable debian? becouse i burned the wrong cd and I dont have anymore.. |
| 10:28.42 | Morti | jm_: Okay. How? |
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| 10:28.58 | jm_ | walaoa: those are people that can get chanop status |
| 10:29.05 | jm_ | Morti: man xset |
| 10:29.18 | Zomb | walaoa: OPs usualy have special permissions to enforce the channel policy |
| 10:29.23 | Zomb | walaoa: as cops do in real live |
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| 10:29.44 | Boll | rainmaker: I run it on all my machines. It occasionally breaks, but generally it is fairly stable |
| 10:29.55 | walaoa | jm_: is chanop status given to anyone , and who assign this status? |
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| 10:30.19 | Morti | xset is unable to open the display apparently. |
| 10:30.27 | Zomb | walaoa: how long have you been in IRC? |
| 10:30.40 | jm_ | ahh then you have to check X logfile |
| 10:30.45 | unixrox | hey all i have a ? |
| 10:30.48 | jm_ | makes sense, it probably failed to start X |
| 10:30.55 | jm_ | walaoa: of course not |
| 10:30.58 | rainmaker | Boll, how does it break? |
| 10:31.07 | unixrox | i should be able to use update-alternaties to set the default x-session-manager right? |
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| 10:31.43 | walaoa | Zomb: quite a while, i would say, but only to ask and occasionally answer questions but never bothered with others things until now. |
| 10:31.45 | Zomb | unixrox: sure |
| 10:31.49 | Boll | rainmaker: occasinally, untested and/or broken packages are uploaded, causing the the packaged program not to function |
| 10:31.55 | jm_ | unixrox: if it has registered and the setting might not always be used |
| 10:31.59 | unixrox | welli changed it to enlightenment |
| 10:32.14 | Morti | jm_: What am I looking for exactly? |
| 10:32.15 | unixrox | and it still loads gnome-session |
| 10:32.21 | Morti | Should I paste it somewhere and you can view it? |
| 10:32.25 | Zomb | walaoa: well, regulars have to deal with trolls, morons, pure idiots and all kinds of destructive behaviour. Rules need to be followed. |
| 10:32.38 | unixrox | i added it to the alternatives of x-session-manager... |
| 10:32.38 | jm_ | Morti: font dirs |
| 10:32.44 | jm_ | Morti: sure, /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:32.47 | unixrox | and it still sticks with gnome-sessoin |
| 10:32.53 | jm_ | are you using gdm? |
| 10:33.02 | unixrox | no |
| 10:33.06 | jm_ | but? |
| 10:33.19 | unixrox | i am using en....whatever enlightenments login manger is called |
| 10:33.51 | unixrox | entranced |
| 10:33.55 | walaoa | Zomb: jm_: i see, they are channel police, so to speak. how to get chatop status? |
| 10:33.56 | jm_ | enlight. is nto a session manager |
| 10:34.05 | Morti | Oh, I see. It's trying to use /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ |
| 10:34.06 | unixrox | i am in an eye candy mood for some reason |
| 10:34.22 | jm_ | and standard X session script will first try to use x-session-manager, you can override it in ~/.xsession |
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| 10:34.30 | Guerin | walaoa: you don't |
| 10:34.39 | jm_ | walaoa: I don't know |
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| 10:34.46 | Zomb | walaoa: I am not one of them (not in this channel), but normally it is the same thing as in real live. |
| 10:34.53 | walaoa | Guerin: i am not interested, just want to know the process. |
| 10:34.54 | unixrox | x-session-manager points to /usr/sbin/entranced |
| 10:35.13 | Zomb | wtf ist entranced? |
| 10:35.27 | unixrox | its like gdm |
| 10:35.27 | EddieSam | walaoa: An existing op gives you ops. |
| 10:35.33 | Guerin | walaoa: someone Very Important decides that, after many years of loyal service, you are worthy |
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| 10:35.37 | mike_ | is it better than gdm? |
| 10:35.38 | unixrox | its a login manager |
| 10:35.40 | Guerin | no |
| 10:35.45 | unixrox | well that is up to the user |
| 10:35.48 | Guerin | an existing op does not give you ops |
| 10:35.51 | unixrox | but i dont think so |
| 10:35.53 | Zomb | unixrox: it is not part of Debian AFAIKS. Which third-party-crap did you install? |
| 10:36.06 | unixrox | lol |
| 10:36.08 | walaoa | Zomb: in real life, it is not easy to be a policeman. |
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| 10:36.25 | unixrox | it has to do with enlightenment dr17 cvs packages |
| 10:36.26 | walaoa | Guerin: who appoint ops? |
| 10:36.36 | unixrox | i am just tyring to understand my system better |
| 10:36.39 | unixrox | thats all |
| 10:36.41 | unixrox | not a big deal |
| 10:36.47 | Guerin | walaoa: depends on the channel; in this channel, The Cabal appoints them |
| 10:36.49 | unixrox | dont recycle the system much |
| 10:37.03 | unixrox | just trying to understand why it is doing what it is doing |
| 10:37.16 | Guerin | walaoa: and don't ask who The Cabal is; if we knew, it wouldn't be a very good Cabal, now would it? |
| 10:37.20 | unixrox | thanks for you time though |
| 10:37.22 | vorlon | er, if entranced is "like gdm", then it should not be a target of the x-session-manager symlink |
| 10:37.24 | unixrox | have a good one all |
| 10:37.24 | unixrox | cya |
| 10:37.38 | sep | how can i easily check if my running 2.6 kernel is compiled with CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES |
| 10:38.03 | Guerin | sep: grep CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 10:38.32 | Zomb | vorlon: I think it is a login manager acc. to http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/ |
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| 10:39.01 | mike_ | if you encrypt a mail with someone else's public key, can i still read it? does it encrypt it with a copy of your key too? |
| 10:39.23 | Zomb | mike_: no, you cannot unless you have a copy of his/her private key |
| 10:39.31 | walaoa | Guerin: are you one? how to identify an op? |
| 10:39.34 | Eclipser | entrance rules :) |
| 10:39.42 | Eclipser | a shame it's still not ready :< |
| 10:39.58 | Boll | mike_: the point if public key encryption is exactly that you cant read stuff encrypted with other peoples public keys :) |
| 10:40.04 | Boll | s/if/of/ |
| 10:40.14 | Guerin | walaoa: you ask dpkg about ops |
| 10:40.26 | mike_ | crap, so i probably encrypted this email with my public key and sent it to someone else |
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| 10:40.30 | mike_ | XD |
| 10:40.31 | Guerin | walaoa: and no, i'll never be an op in #debian, for a host of very good reasons |
| 10:40.42 | frankie | walaoa: when you are kicked off the chan for behaving like a moron/ass you found an op |
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| 10:40.48 | mike_ | ahh, i'll get used to it soon |
| 10:40.50 | Boll | mike_: easily checked, have a look at the copy in your "sent items" |
| 10:41.03 | mike_ | Boll: its in sent items |
| 10:41.09 | mike_ | Boll: but i can read it |
| 10:41.09 | Morti | !paste |
| 10:41.10 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 10:41.10 | Yoe | frankie: heh, not exactly the nicest way to find out ;-) |
| 10:41.32 | Boll | mike_: then you probably encrypted it with your own key. |
| 10:41.40 | frankie | Yoe: very practical indeed |
| 10:41.41 | vorlon | Zomb: yes, so if it's a login manager, it's not an x-session-manager. |
| 10:41.42 | messju | hi, how can i control which NIC maps to which device on boot? |
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| 10:41.54 | mike_ | Boll: lol. |
| 10:42.11 | walaoa | Guerin: ah, dpkg, that is another confusing term. i use dpkg in building packages. it seems to be a diff thing here. dpkg means what, over here? |
| 10:42.13 | messju | i have ne2k_pci and 8139too and want the ne2k to be eth1, but debian always loads it first (as eth0) |
| 10:42.19 | Zomb | vorlon: yup. If their provisoric Debian packages do it wrong, someone should warn them. |
| 10:42.27 | Guerin | !what are you? |
| 10:42.27 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 10:42.29 | Eclipser | messju, did you compile them into kernel? |
| 10:42.30 | Morti | jm_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/655 |
| 10:42.36 | Morti | That took a while to copy. |
| 10:42.42 | messju | Eclipser: no, loadable modules |
| 10:42.43 | Guerin | walaoa: to ask dpkg about something, type /msg dpkg something |
| 10:42.51 | Guerin | walaoa: he'll tell you in private |
| 10:42.57 | Eclipser | messju, then load them in certain order in /etc/modules ? |
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| 10:43.20 | vorlon | mike_: some mailers support encrypting to the sender's key as well as to the recipient's. |
| 10:43.36 | Guerin | walaoa: so, just for s&g, ask him about ops |
| 10:43.57 | messju | woahh!! i had "8319too" there, which should be "8139too". Eclipser thanks a million! |
| 10:44.09 | darky | Hello, I got some troubles installing a logitech quickcam, I installed drivers source kernel with apt-get but it cannot open /dev/video0 ... |
| 10:44.22 | Yoe | darky: does /dev/video0 actually exist? |
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| 10:44.53 | mike_ | 20:44 < vorlon> mike_: some mailers support encrypting to the sender's key as well |
| 10:44.54 | walaoa | Guerin: now, s&g, can't guess that. what's it? |
| 10:45.05 | mike_ | arragh.. >:( |
| 10:45.18 | Yoe | vorlon: you can also specify to always encrypt to your own key in addition to the recipient's key through ~/.gnupg/options |
| 10:45.24 | mike_ | vorlon: yeah, i think thats whats happened. |
| 10:45.38 | Guerin | walaoa: shits and grits; or shits and giggles if you're not from alabama |
| 10:45.41 | vorlon | mike_: perhaps you misunderstand me; I mean that just because you can read it does *not* mean that the recipient can't |
| 10:46.03 | mike_ | vorlon: i sent it again just to make sure, and i made sure i used his key |
| 10:46.06 | vorlon | wanting to be able to decrypt your own messages is perfectly reasonable, especially if you're saving them in an outbox of some kind |
| 10:46.09 | mike_ | and i can read it aswell |
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| 10:46.23 | sep | Guerin, thanks, it was compiled with that enabled... |
| 10:46.31 | Guerin | sep: good. |
| 10:46.36 | Guerin | (i suppose) |
| 10:46.54 | darky | Yoe, yes it does exist |
| 10:46.58 | Guerin | anyway, i have to make spag&balls now, in honour of The Flying Spaghetti Monster |
| 10:47.24 | Yoe | darky: and what gives you the error message that /dev/video0 cannot be opened? |
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| 10:47.34 | Yoe | darky: the driver? An application you're trying to make it use? |
| 10:47.50 | jm_ | Morti: let me see it |
| 10:47.59 | sep | Guerin, well yes,,, but then i don't get why i get network is unreachable when i try to add a default gw to a custom routingtable |
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| 10:48.16 | Yoe | if the latter, type 'ls -l /dev/video0' and see if you're in the group which owns that file |
| 10:48.25 | Yoe | (use 'id' to see what groups you're in) |
| 10:48.33 | Morti | jm_: k |
| 10:48.41 | Yoe | if you're not, run 'adduser <your username> <that group>' as root |
| 10:48.44 | darky | Yoe, I installed that : qc-usb-source - source code for QuickCam Express kernel module , and whatever the programm I use, it doesn t work |
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| 10:49.09 | darky | Yoe, cat /dev/video0 tell me that there is no such device, but it exists |
| 10:49.15 | Yoe | darky: ah, |
| 10:49.19 | jm_ | Morti: do you have an alias for "fixed" in misc dir? |
| 10:49.20 | Yoe | 'no such device'. Right. |
| 10:49.36 | Morti | jm_: I'm not sure. Where should I look? |
| 10:49.42 | darky | Yoe, need to load some kind of mudules ? |
| 10:49.43 | jm_ | Morti: grep '^fixed' /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias |
| 10:49.43 | Morti | Sorry, I'm not too good at fonts. |
| 10:49.47 | Yoe | darky: possibly |
| 10:50.00 | Yoe | though I'm not exactly sure what the name is. Hang on. |
| 10:50.09 | Morti | There's no fonts.alias there. |
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| 10:50.20 | darky | Yoe, I really searched in the list but didn t find some who worked ... |
| 10:50.23 | darky | ok |
| 10:50.40 | jm_ | then it's n surprise it doesn't work |
| 10:50.42 | jm_ | no |
| 10:50.54 | Morti | Okay. How do I make a fonts.alias? |
| 10:51.00 | jm_ | man update-fonts-alias |
| 10:51.11 | jm_ | and make sure you also have xfonts-base-transcoded installed |
| 10:51.43 | Zomb | hm, I had the same problem when I deinstalled -transcode version ones |
| 10:51.55 | Morti | Also, any idea why my sound worked (with the sb module) under a 2.4 kernel but not under a 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:52.06 | Morti | Just asking while waiting for apt to do its thing. |
| 10:52.06 | Zomb | that surprised me, in the "good old days" the -transcoded packages has not been required |
| 10:52.07 | Yoe | darky: you need to 'modprobe quickcam' |
| 10:52.11 | jm_ | you have an ISA soundblaster card? |
| 10:52.17 | Yoe | darky: did you do that? (check /proc/modules) |
| 10:52.17 | Morti | Yeah. |
| 10:52.20 | Yoe | or lsmod |
| 10:52.33 | vorlon | Zomb: hmm, that sucks, I thought we were supposed to be able to deprecate those packages |
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| 10:53.03 | darky | Yoe, modprobe: Can't locate module quickcam |
| 10:53.05 | jm_ | maybe it requires pnp stuff |
| 10:53.15 | Yoe | darky: there's your problem ;-) |
| 10:53.20 | Zomb | vorlon: I know :( I will investigate the next time I remaster ZombIX, I need to get rid of them |
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| 10:53.24 | Morti | Ah, that's a thought, not sure if I included that. |
| 10:53.27 | Morti | I shall check, thanks. |
| 10:53.42 | Yoe | darky: either the build or the installation of the qc-usb package was unsuccessful |
| 10:53.43 | darky | Yoe, there s no package for debian and this webcam so, I need to get the sources ? |
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| 10:55.18 | umbop | hey guys, i'm trying to print a document from openoffice, i go to print, select the correcft printer, but when i go to the printer itself,on the screen it has a 7900.E printer error |
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| 10:56.03 | ma3x | is this correct for the crontab to run a script every hour? 0 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23 * * * /usr/bin/script? |
| 10:56.18 | jm_ | ma3x: are you serious? man 5 crontab |
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| 10:56.30 | cmug | @hourly ? |
| 10:56.44 | ma3x | jm_, I am reading it, my brain can't copy it |
| 10:56.47 | cmug | @hourly Run once an hour, "0 * * * *". |
| 10:57.10 | Zomb | darky: try module-assistant a-i qc-usb-source |
| 10:57.10 | vorlon | ma3x: you *can* do that, but do you understand what '*' is for? |
| 10:57.28 | Zomb | darky: also install qc-usb-utils |
| 10:57.38 | ma3x | vorlon, yes that asterix got my attention |
| 10:57.59 | jm_ | ma3x: it surprises me you groked you can use * in other fields but not for hour field |
| 10:58.00 | vorlon | ... I mean the ones in the crontab file... :) |
| 10:58.04 | Yoe | darky: I just tried here and it worked (the module loaded) |
| 10:58.27 | Yoe | darky: did you use module-assistant to install your module package, or did you try to install it in another way? |
| 10:58.40 | ma3x | @hourly /usr/bin/testscript is that correct? |
| 10:58.42 | ravenbird | ma3x: okay |
| 10:58.53 | ma3x | jm_, you can't use * for hourly? |
| 10:59.00 | vorlon | yes, you can. |
| 10:59.00 | jm_ | @forget hourly /usr/bin/testscript |
| 10:59.01 | ravenbird | jm_: i forgot hourly /usr/bin/testscript |
| 10:59.02 | Yoe | ma3x: sure you can, but it |
| 10:59.04 | ma3x | sup ravenbird? |
| 10:59.08 | Yoe | ... is more typing to do |
| 10:59.23 | jm_ | ma3x: read what I said again |
| 10:59.34 | ma3x | you said forget it |
| 10:59.44 | ma3x | i didn't understand what groked means |
| 10:59.46 | vorlon | ma3x: he was talking to a bot. |
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| 10:59.57 | jm_ | ma3x: "understood" |
| 11:00.10 | jm_ | figured out/learned/... |
| 11:00.10 | ma3x | i did not understood? |
| 11:00.20 | jm_ | just forget it ;) |
| 11:00.42 | Gathond | ma3x: you accidentially triggered one of the bots so it learned something from what you said :) something jm_ made it forget |
| 11:00.50 | ma3x | oh okay :) |
| 11:00.51 | ma3x | clear |
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| 11:00.57 | ma3x | anyway is that correct now?/ |
| 11:01.15 | Gathond | @hourly should work, but so should 0 * * * * |
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| 11:03.43 | ma3x | ok i see the examples, but just to clarify |
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| 11:04.37 | hyperstream | hmm how would one go about dvd encoders/converters , or something similar to dreamweaver mx 2004 ive tryed using wine. not much luck |
| 11:04.39 | ma3x | what the asteriks mean: 5 0 * * * that means run 5 minutes after midnight |
| 11:05.31 | Gathond | ma3x: yes, and * means every occurance that is every distinct legal value |
| 11:05.58 | |krusty| | i'm not sure this is the place to ask.. but.. anyone knows about a mpeg4 decoding library/source that have LGPL license? |
| 11:06.32 | Gathond | |krusty|: checked xvid ? (not sure about its lisence though its just a guess |
| 11:06.37 | Zomb | |krusty|: if you plan to use them in your commercial app, make sure you understand the patent claims |
| 11:06.38 | darky | Yoe, I just did apt-get install |
| 11:06.47 | Yoe | darky: ah, then it won't work |
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| 11:06.54 | Zomb | darky: is there a README.Debian? READ IT! |
| 11:06.59 | Yoe | darky: try installing module-assistant and running it as root |
| 11:07.01 | |krusty| | if for a comm. app yes.. LGPL should work then right? |
| 11:07.16 | |krusty| | if=it's |
| 11:07.18 | Yoe | darky: this will help you download the source, build it, and install the module |
| 11:07.20 | darky | Yoe, i m gonna try that |
| 11:07.22 | Guerin | yeah, patent issues are a much bigger deal with mpeg-4 than you might think |
| 11:07.26 | Yoe | you'd better ;-) |
| 11:07.28 | darky | Yoe, thx |
| 11:07.30 | Zomb | or, as said, "m-a a-i qc-usb" followed by "modprobe ..." |
| 11:07.31 | Yoe | np |
| 11:07.34 | ma3x | Gathond, @weekly Run once a week, "0 0 * * 0". That means run exactly 00:00 after every week? |
| 11:07.49 | Gathond | |krusty|: LGPL as such should, however I think he refers to the fact that the algoritm itself is patented by someone |
| 11:07.49 | hyperstream | darky, one thing ive learn here in #debian is you need to firstly , read any README files, secondly man thirdly google, then show proof of researching before asking :) |
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| 11:07.56 | hyperstream | which im about to do |
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| 11:08.13 | Gathond | ma3x: I think so, probably on the first day (whatever that is defined as) |
| 11:08.16 | |krusty| | Gathond: oh |
| 11:08.25 | toad_ | is testing/unstable seriously broken at the moment? |
| 11:08.28 | umbop | anyone who can suggest a solution on a printing issue? if i go to print a file lp -DPRINER filename it prints file, if i use acroreader, or openoffice to print to the same printer in the list, the printer says 79.00FE printer error on the lcd screen |
| 11:08.42 | Guerin | toad_: they're different. Define which you mean. |
| 11:08.44 | Gathond | |krusty|: so It might not be legal to have implemented it, and especially not selling it |
| 11:08.51 | toad_ | Guerin: I have both in my sources.list |
| 11:09.01 | Guerin | toad_: then you're running unstable |
| 11:09.04 | toad_ | Guerin: as is recommended by several folks |
| 11:09.13 | ma3x | Gathond, so correct me if im wrong, but normally there are always five * * * * * and when you specify what you need some of them get filled |
| 11:09.19 | toad_ | since testing is regarded as less stable even than unstable |
| 11:09.21 | Guerin | toad_: several folks who are stupid and don't know what the fuck they're talking about |
| 11:09.27 | ma3x | uh, im prolly wrong |
| 11:09.27 | Guerin | toad_: that's pure bullshit |
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| 11:09.36 | jc-denton | http://rafb.net/paste/results/bt5Twx44.html |
| 11:09.38 | Guerin | in any case |
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| 11:09.42 | darky | hyperstream, If I asked here, it s because i spent at least 2 hours, on google, trying finding modules or packages that worked, without succeeding ....... |
| 11:09.44 | jc-denton | i'm not sure what this error is related to |
| 11:09.46 | toad_ | Guerin: source url? i need to tell them this |
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| 11:09.48 | jc-denton | my sys or the package |
| 11:09.49 | |krusty| | We bought mpeg4 encoding hardware.. you say I cannot write a decoding algo myself without paying to some patent holding company. If so, why do people you mpeg4? |
| 11:09.55 | wferi | Hi! How can I stop aptitude -y ntp from installing perl-doc? --without-recommends doesn't cut it, as ntp only recommends ntp-server, which I need. I'd like to avoid specifying ntp-server (and all the other recommended packages) on the command line, of course. |
| 11:10.08 | |krusty| | you = use |
| 11:10.11 | Guerin | toad_: there's no source. It's common knowledge. |
| 11:10.13 | jc-denton | i tried to install gtk-sharp on sid |
| 11:10.25 | Gathond | ma3x: I think * * * * * is valid, its just going to be every minut :) |
| 11:10.29 | Guerin | toad_: some things are broken in unstable - install apt-listbugs and do a dist-upgrade to see which |
| 11:10.35 | hyperstream | fair enough, but 2 hours isnt long imo |
| 11:10.38 | umbop | anyone who can suggest a solution on a printing issue? if i go to print a file lp -DPRINER filename it prints file, if i use acroreader, or openoffice to print to the same printer in the list, the printer says 79.00FE printer error on the lcd screen |
| 11:10.43 | Guerin | you don't have to upgrade anything; just read the bugreports |
| 11:10.56 | darky | hyperstream, alright i ll spent 4 hours next times :) |
| 11:11.00 | hyperstream | lol |
| 11:11.00 | toad_ | Guerin: yeah, i have apt-listbugs; 99% of the time the bugs reported are already fixed though |
| 11:11.09 | Gathond | ma3x: the man page have a description of the meaning of each field, I almost never use anything but the first 2, so Im not entirely sure what the last 3 represent and in which order |
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| 11:11.10 | hyperstream | just depends how much you need the help i guess |
| 11:11.15 | hyperstream | dont let me tell you what to do |
| 11:11.18 | SynrG | darky: or spend less time, with more effective search strategies :) |
| 11:11.20 | umbop | if i go to print a file, even using the syntax lp -DPRINTER filename, it will print the file fine, however, printing through an application doesn't! and that's the error on the lcd screen of the printer. |
| 11:11.21 | ma3x | Gathond, ok thanks a lot |
| 11:11.24 | hyperstream | im just in an annoying mood. sorry :) |
| 11:11.25 | Guerin | toad_: there's your answer. |
| 11:11.36 | toad_ | Guerin: hmm? |
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| 11:12.00 | kpkg | i compile kernel 2.6.13 for my system and i install the nvidia drivers, everythinh works fine, but evey time i reboot the system, it's show an error in the x server and i must to change the drivers to "nv" and install again the nvidia drivers and change to "nvidia". How i fixe this? |
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| 11:12.07 | Guerin | toad_: if the BTS doesn't know about them, there are no breakages |
| 11:12.23 | toad_ | Guerin: nod |
| 11:12.28 | Guerin | toad_: since if anything was broken, the person who found the breakage would have repoted it to the BTS |
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| 11:12.32 | toad_ | so I do listbugs, check each bug on bugs.debian.org? |
| 11:12.38 | Guerin | on the other hand, you're using unstable - anything can happen |
| 11:12.42 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:12.45 | toad_ | find that they're all already fixed |
| 11:12.47 | toad_ | and then upgrade |
| 11:13.00 | toad_ | (listbugs needs fixing...) |
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| 11:13.44 | toad_ | well what my friend specifically told me is: a) having both unstable and testing does NOT mean you are on unstable, apt will try to avoid breakages by using both. b) testing does not get timely security updates. |
| 11:13.57 | umbop | ach i hate printing |
| 11:14.28 | toad_ | is this correct? |
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| 11:14.32 | Gathond | toad_: apt will not generally do that no |
| 11:14.42 | SynrG | kpkg: "everything works fine" -- on what basis do you say that? the fact that it falls apart when you reboot indicates perhaps you're missing a step. you should not require a reboot to find out if the install works or not |
| 11:14.57 | Gathond | toad_: apt will attempt to install the highest version package, unless you ask it specifically to install the testing ones |
| 11:15.03 | toad_ | Gathond: not even with dist-upgrade? |
| 11:15.21 | SynrG | kpkg: did you recompile the nvidia drivers to match the kernel? |
| 11:15.29 | Gathond | toad_: with dist-upgrade it might try to mix the two, but the result of that would be a mess, neither unstable nor testing |
| 11:15.44 | toad_ | nod, it will try, but if there's a dependancy loop that breaks that for example, it will use the other version |
| 11:15.46 | SynrG | kpkg: and if so, did you rmmod the old nvidia module & modprobe the new? |
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| 11:16.43 | shadowcat | hmm.... |
| 11:16.48 | shadowcat | tons of security updates |
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| 11:17.12 | sep | piem, fyi i guess this is the closest one gets to a debian way for multiple interfaces and ruting http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets |
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| 11:18.54 | toad_ | Gathond: is it true that testing does not get timely security updates? |
| 11:18.59 | Guerin | toad_: ok. your friend is right in the sense that it's not as bad as having just unstable, re: package/dependency breakage, and he's right about the fact that testing doesn't get security. But he's wrong if he ever said that it was safer or more stable than having pure testing. |
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| 11:19.13 | Guerin | !testing security |
| 11:19.14 | dpkg | testing (currently Etch) doesn't yet officially get security updates from http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing.debian.net/ for semi-official security support, and http://spohr.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html for a list of current security issues. |
| 11:19.22 | toad_ | it's safer to have pure testing even though pure testing doesn't get security updates?! |
| 11:19.29 | Guerin | toad_: yes. |
| 11:19.33 | Gathond | toad_: currently there is no security updates |
| 11:19.34 | toad_ | how so? |
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| 11:19.40 | Gathond | toad_: depends upon you definition |
| 11:19.44 | Gathond | toad_: its alot more stable |
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| 11:19.46 | Phated | You get updates as part of normal updates. |
| 11:19.55 | aliumalik | does anyone know how long it takes to apply the bootsplash patch? |
| 11:19.58 | Gathond | but in terms of exploits it might not be as safe as unstable |
| 11:20.01 | Guerin | toad_: if you run anything but stable on a box you can't take down at a moment's notice, you're insane. |
| 11:20.15 | toad_ | i've used sid for years, and never had any really serious problems |
| 11:20.20 | toad_ | well rarely |
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| 11:20.35 | Guerin | remote exploits are normally put into testing fairly smartly, and can often be backported from unstable with minimal hassle |
| 11:20.36 | toad_ | and yes, i don't need high availability |
| 11:20.40 | hyperstream | hmm is there any adobe photoshop type applications for linux |
| 11:20.48 | Guerin | hyperstream: gimp |
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| 11:21.03 | ndee | with >>, I can join two files, right? |
| 11:21.06 | Guerin | anyway, i must continue my worship of the FSM |
| 11:21.16 | Guerin | ndee: with cat and >>, yeah |
| 11:21.18 | Gathond | ndee: >> appends yes |
| 11:21.21 | toad_ | if this was a major remote-adminned server, i'd use stable |
| 11:21.29 | unixrox | ok so i have a ? |
| 11:21.33 | toad_ | (congrats on reducing the release cycle from 5 years to 2 years btw ) :) |
| 11:21.37 | ndee | thx |
| 11:21.49 | unixrox | i edited /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 11:21.54 | unixrox | and added my own |
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| 11:22.09 | unixrox | is this where you put the graphical login manager at? |
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| 11:22.26 | ma3x | what line do i need for crontab to run every 15 minutes? |
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| 11:23.00 | Gathond | ma3x: i think */15 * * * * should work (not entirely sure it takes 0 along with it but I think so |
| 11:23.10 | toad_ | so anyway, i'm not a package maintainer, does that mean I need to reformat and install stable? :) |
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| 11:23.24 | ma3x | ok thanks gahan |
| 11:23.29 | ma3x | Gathond, thanks |
| 11:23.59 | aliumalik | is there anything wrong in "patch -p1 -d /usr/src/linux/ /home/aliumalik/bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.13.diff" ? cause I don't think it is patching :S |
| 11:24.31 | unixrox | does anyone know which file to edit to change the current running x login manager? |
| 11:24.36 | zignig | does ddr400 ram work better if it is paired ? |
| 11:24.38 | drac | aliumalik: mv /home/aliumalik/bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.13.diff /usr/src/linux ; cd /usr/src/linux ; patch -p1 < bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.13.diff |
| 11:24.49 | aliumalik | ok |
| 11:24.49 | unixrox | is it /etc/X11/default-display-manager? |
| 11:25.08 | Gathond | unixrox: think its a matter of which one is started through the init.d script at boot |
| 11:25.09 | unixrox | oh nice love the boot splash |
| 11:25.31 | unixrox | ok...i will look into it thanks gathond |
| 11:25.40 | unixrox | i have somewhat of a screwed system |
| 11:25.48 | unixrox | so it takes a bit to figure out what i have screwed up |
| 11:25.48 | unixrox | lol |
| 11:25.49 | unixrox | cyall |
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| 11:27.40 | sewi | hello, anybody is using "edb package" on Debian Sarge? Because loading the database file i get: "Wrong type argument: arrayp, nil." What's wrong, any idea? |
| 11:28.12 | Guerin | toad_: working now, innit? |
| 11:28.23 | ma3x | Gathond, just to clarify, the asteriks stands for max. range. for eg. 1-59 for mins, 0-23 for hours. And what does the zero stand for? Every first value? |
| 11:28.36 | toad_ | Guerin: indeed |
| 11:28.40 | Guerin | toad_: what it means is, if it breaks, you'll be expected to fix it yourself, rather than relying on others to hold your hands |
| 11:28.52 | Morti | jm_: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias exists, but grep '^fixed' returns nothing. |
| 11:28.54 | toad_ | Guerin: it's just that every time I come here people tell me I must not use sid ;) |
| 11:29.04 | Gathond | mathe ranges include 0 as the first value, 0-59 and so forth, so 0 is the same as any other numeral |
| 11:29.05 | jm_ | Morti: did you run update-fonts-alias? |
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| 11:29.10 | Guerin | if you're cool with doing your own due diligence, you're good with the package tools and you can debug shit, you might be ok |
| 11:29.12 | Morti | jm_: I did that. |
| 11:29.25 | jm_ | Morti: what did you run? |
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| 11:30.10 | ma3x | Guerin, what does the zero mean when replacing the asterix in crontab? |
| 11:30.18 | toad_ | Guerin: my problem is I already have sid/etch installed, I only need 90% uptime, and I'm not a debian master but I have some experience e.g. manually editing the status files, and I'm a good debugger |
| 11:30.18 | Guerin | ma3x: no idea |
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| 11:30.27 | Morti | rockhopper:~# update-fonts-alias /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ |
| 11:30.36 | jm_ | no, update-fonts-alias misc |
| 11:30.36 | Guerin | toad_: stick with it, then. |
| 11:30.45 | Guerin | toad_: if it breaks, you can always reinstall then. |
| 11:30.47 | Morti | Ah, I see. |
| 11:30.51 | jm_ | as the example says |
| 11:30.55 | SynrG | toad_: naturally, people doing support aren't going to recommend sid. |
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| 11:31.21 | toad_ | SynrG: :) |
| 11:31.22 | aliumalik | drac, which QT development package do I need? |
| 11:31.24 | SynrG | toad_: running sid is a matter of personal choice. you understand the risks, you've had experience running it, so you run sid. |
| 11:31.39 | SynrG | toad_: if-and-when it completely breaks, you won't be surprised. |
| 11:31.54 | SynrG | toad_: and then, you'll consider it a challenge to fix it instead of blaming the world. |
| 11:31.57 | toad_ | :) |
| 11:32.02 | SynrG | toad_: so i think you're ok |
| 11:32.07 | toad_ | well, a bit of both ;) |
| 11:32.10 | unixrox | i love sid...it forces you to understand more and more about your operating system and its environment |
| 11:32.19 | toad_ | :) |
| 11:32.20 | e2e | Hi, i'm trying to install lame package from it's source, but i get error: checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables. gcc is installed |
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| 11:32.31 | jm_ | !b-e e2e |
| 11:32.31 | dpkg | e2e: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 11:32.50 | unixrox | thats nothing |
| 11:32.54 | Guerin | e2e: use the marillat packages instead |
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| 11:33.21 | SynrG | toad_: just don't ever say "SynrG told you it is OK to run sid". you're on your own. |
| 11:33.23 | unixrox | my faterh in law he didnt know about apt...so he had been using dpkg to manage the packages on his first debian system for like a year |
| 11:33.31 | e2e | Guerin: I need a mp3 encoder, but marillat package says: "Lame aint a mp3 encoder" |
| 11:33.36 | unixrox | you should have seen his face when i showed him what apt-get does |
| 11:33.37 | unixrox | lol |
| 11:33.37 | jm_ | haha |
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| 11:33.56 | jm_ | it was pretty standard to use just dpkg before Debian 2.1 |
| 11:33.57 | unixrox | its my falut though |
| 11:34.04 | unixrox | he always saw me working with dpkg |
| 11:34.08 | unixrox | so he just asssumed |
| 11:34.11 | drac | aliumalik? |
| 11:34.15 | kpkg | SynrG, i recompile the nvidia drivers to match the kernel 2.6.13, i change the drivers section to "nvidia", reboot the x window system and ther drivers works, but when i reboot the system, i have a error in the x window system because the nvidia drivers, so i must to change again to "nv", ao recompile nvidia drivers. But, when i'm using distro kernel like 2.6.8 i recompile the nvidia drivers the same way and i dont have this error on t |
| 11:34.15 | jm_ | e2e: it's an acronym, just as GNU is |
| 11:34.15 | kpkg | he boot |
| 11:34.21 | unixrox | i still use dpkg |
| 11:34.23 | unixrox | at times |
| 11:34.26 | unixrox | but i a mlazy |
| 11:34.30 | Guerin | e2e: hahaha |
| 11:34.34 | jm_ | e2e: so you wouldn't use GNU because it's not Unix? |
| 11:34.46 | Guerin | e2e: lame, whatever they might call it, IS an mp3 encoder |
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| 11:34.57 | jm_ | that deserves a quote entry |
| 11:34.58 | Morti | jm_: Still no ^fixed in fonts.alias |
| 11:35.04 | Guerin | jm_: agreed |
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| 11:35.17 | e2e | jm, Guerin thanks... |
| 11:35.26 | jm_ | Morti: is it available in /etc/X11/fonts/misc/xfonts-base*.alias? |
| 11:35.36 | unixrox | i really liek the dr17 and dr16 releases of enlighenment |
| 11:36.01 | unixrox | quite a bit of waste of cpu cycles/ram...but it works nice |
| 11:36.03 | Morti | jm_: Nope. |
| 11:36.13 | jm_ | Morti: are you using Sarge? |
| 11:36.20 | Morti | Yeah. |
| 11:36.23 | hyperstream | Codeweavers have announced support for Dreamweaver and Flash to Linux in the CrossOver Office 2.1 product that already has support for Photoshop. CrossOver Office 2.1 is priced at $59.95 per user. |
| 11:36.28 | SynrG | kpkg: i have no specific knowledge of 2.6.13 + nvidia. i know with my hardware the driver is ok with 2.6.12. it's possible there is some issue with the driver + kernel version + your hardware. check with nvidia support |
| 11:36.32 | hyperstream | yet when i look thru there supported apps database |
| 11:36.32 | Morti | It used to be Woody and it used to have XFree86 3. |
| 11:36.38 | jm_ | then it has to be in /etc/X11/fonts/misc/xfonts-base.alias file |
| 11:36.46 | jm_ | reinstall the package if it's not |
| 11:36.50 | hyperstream | it says dreamweaver, flash , adboe photoshop is "known not to work" |
| 11:36.54 | hyperstream | how fucked is that shit |
| 11:37.02 | jm_ | might require missconf option |
| 11:37.10 | Morti | There's no xfonts-base.alias. |
| 11:37.14 | Morti | Reinstall xfonts-base? |
| 11:37.17 | Guerin | hyperstream: not very |
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| 11:37.26 | SynrG | kpkg: also, as i said, there's no reason for you to reboot to test it. |
| 11:37.28 | jm_ | !tell morti -about missconf |
| 11:37.42 | SynrG | kpkg: in general, you should learn how to install things & test them without rebooting. |
| 11:37.46 | Morti | !missconf |
| 11:37.50 | Morti | O.o |
| 11:37.55 | hyperstream | how do you figure that? |
| 11:37.56 | unixrox | that is why i run linux! |
| 11:37.56 | jm_ | hmm let me find the factoid |
| 11:37.59 | unixrox | i hate rebooting! |
| 11:38.04 | jm_ | !tell morti -about confmiss |
| 11:38.06 | jm_ | silly me |
| 11:38.10 | unixrox | init and /etc/init.d all the way |
| 11:38.24 | hyperstream | Guerin, ? |
| 11:38.32 | SynrG | kpkg: naturally for the initial kernel install there needs to be a reboot, but after that, rmmod nvidia, install your nvidia driver & startx to test |
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| 11:39.35 | mek_ | anyone using latest ipw2200 drivers? version 1.0.6? |
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| 11:40.00 | Morti | Ah, thanks jm_. |
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| 11:40.21 | hyperstream | Guerin, heh |
| 11:40.26 | unixrox | it is interesting how many people here in iraq use linux and *bsd |
| 11:40.35 | jm_ | Morti: no worries |
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| 11:42.57 | unixrox | ok sorry to blab so much...i just miss hangin with geeks |
| 11:43.04 | unixrox | im in iraq right now and i miss this community |
| 11:43.11 | unixrox | i will loko for another chanel |
| 11:43.11 | unixrox | cya |
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| 11:44.14 | kpkg | SynrG, i can find anythinh related to nvidia in /proc/modules.. how i know what i use with rmmod? |
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| 11:45.03 | knt | how can i learn current init level? |
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| 11:45.10 | Eythian | is it a dep bug that updating alsa-utils removes hal and usbmount? |
| 11:45.16 | jm_ | runlevel will report it |
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| 11:45.41 | vorlon | Eythian: no, or at least not one that anyone can fix. |
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| 11:46.43 | Eythian | oh, OK. So is it recommended to hold alsa-utils until it doesn't conflict with udev? |
| 11:46.51 | SynrG | kpkg: if you rebooted and are now using "nv' there isn't anything to remove |
| 11:47.29 | e1vis | /part |
| 11:47.29 | e1vis | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.50 | Ronin | having trouble still there e1vis |
| 11:47.58 | valdyn | Eythian: where do those 2 packages conflict? |
| 11:48.00 | SynrG | kpkg: so you'd just change from nv back to nvidia. then try: modprobe nvidia |
| 11:48.16 | Eythian | alsa-utils conflicts with udev (< 0.060) |
| 11:48.28 | e1vis | yes, with erc and emacs and viper mode |
| 11:48.29 | Eythian | but uev in testing is at 0.056-3 |
| 11:48.29 | e1vis | sorry |
| 11:48.38 | vorlon | Eythian: yes, you'll have to put alsa-utils on hold |
| 11:48.53 | valdyn | Eythian: you could install the latest udev, but if you do that, you need a kernel >=2.6.12 first |
| 11:48.56 | vorlon | the package shouldn't have entered testing, but now that it did, we just have to wait for linux 2.6.12 to also enter testing. |
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| 11:49.03 | e1vis | let me try one more time |
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| 11:49.28 | Eythian | ah, I see. Well in that case I'll just wait until the kernel gets there. |
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| 11:49.47 | kpkg | SynrG, it's works. |
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| 11:50.17 | EddieSam | Eythian, vorlon: Mangling the udev init script to ignore my kernel version works for me (2.6.11) |
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| 11:51.02 | Eythian | I'm on 2.6.11-1-k7, but I think it's probably easier to just hold alsa. I'm in no hurry for the update. |
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| 11:51.07 | SynrG | kpkg: then try (with "nvidia" driver selected in X configuration) startx. look for any (EE) lines. |
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| 11:53.02 | kpkg | SynrG, i'm already running X, i must reboot X to take effect right? |
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| 11:53.22 | SynrG | kpkg: exit X completely first. do you run a login manager, e.g. gdm or kdm? |
| 11:53.34 | SynrG | kpkg: if so, you want to shut that down (e.g. /etc/init.d/gdm stop) |
| 11:53.39 | kpkg | SynrG, yes, gdm |
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| 11:54.31 | SynrG | kpkg: don't worry about the messages flying by too quickly when you startx. they are saved also in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 11:55.17 | stumbles | hi, in the debian installer i remember choosing "mail sent by smarthost" - did the address of the smarthost need to be specified at that time as well? |
| 11:55.39 | kpkg | SynrG, ok, i would try. Thanks |
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| 11:56.42 | SynrG | kpkg: for further help, you can check the URLs in the topic at #nvidia first |
| 11:57.02 | SynrG | kpkg: then if that doesn't help you discover your problem, they'll want to know the specific version# of the nvidia driver |
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| 11:57.11 | SynrG | kpkg: and the error messages from the log |
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| 11:57.29 | SynrG | kpkg: i have to go. later. |
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| 11:57.43 | hyperstream | hmm how close would gimp be to what adobe photoshop is capable of doing. close to it or better? |
| 11:57.43 | kpkg | SynrG, ok, thank you again |
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| 11:58.45 | Gathond | hyperstream: I think its behind, but how much I dont know. Its interface is quite different though |
| 11:58.56 | jenner | hyperstream: depends on your needs |
| 11:59.04 | tonsofpcs | anyone awake that works on DEC Alphas? |
| 12:00.15 | vorlon | FSVO "works on" |
| 12:00.27 | Daffy-PKF | i have gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0 installed, how can i do so that the kernel compile with gcc-3.3? doest an export CC... is enough? |
| 12:00.52 | drac | Daffy-PKF: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" in front of every make, and make-kpkg commands. |
| 12:01.04 | Daffy-PKF | drac> thanks |
| 12:01.42 | hyperstream | well i would like to do some website designing |
| 12:01.49 | Vibes | Is there a url where I can dl woody isos from plz? |
| 12:01.57 | hyperstream | also looking for native linux application that is similar to DreamWeaver 2004 |
| 12:02.02 | Yoe | Vibes: cdimage.debian.org should still have them... |
| 12:02.07 | drac | Vibes: Why do you want Woody? |
| 12:02.09 | Yoe | Vibes: you are aware that woody is being deprecated? |
| 12:02.24 | Vibes | drac: I need rescue disk ;p |
| 12:02.27 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: if you have an actual question, you may want to ask that instead |
| 12:02.40 | Vibes | Yoe: yep ^ |
| 12:02.59 | Yoe | Vibes: okay, good :-) |
| 12:03.09 | antgel | stumbles: yes |
| 12:03.25 | Yoe | Vibes: though IMO, live CD's have outdated rescue disks |
| 12:03.36 | Yoe | s/outdated/obsoleted/g |
| 12:03.40 | tonsofpcs | vorlon, I'm powering up an EB164 board, i've been trying to do a firmware update, but the drive never spins up and it gives a 'device failed' error; so this last time i tried booting it, I get nothing to the serial console, and nothing to the video out |
| 12:03.51 | tonsofpcs | i just tried removing everything and another boot, nothing |
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| 12:04.17 | Zomb | hyperstream: I doubt there is something exactly like dreamweaver |
| 12:04.44 | Zomb | hyperstream: quanta plus and similar try to do that, but are far less mature |
| 12:05.04 | asuffield | dreamweaver is basically feel-good shit anyway |
| 12:05.06 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: heh, that doesn't sound good, but it's not really a Debian question and I don't know how to help you with that anyway, sorry. |
| 12:05.11 | Cueball|Work | Hi I'm having some problems using courier without TLS. Anyone here can lend a hand? Already asked a question in #courier about an hour ago but no reply. |
| 12:05.13 | vorlon | it definitely sounds like a hw failure. |
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| 12:05.38 | asuffield | the point of dreamweaver is to make talentless non-artists feel like they aren't dead weight |
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| 12:06.21 | Cueball|Work | Quanta Plus is well cool. I use it all the time |
| 12:06.58 | Cueball|Work | Used to use Bluefish. That's cool to |
| 12:07.02 | Zomb | asuffield: blah, blah. I know people that did great things with it, though using non-free software. |
| 12:07.07 | tonsofpcs | 444 |
| 12:07.17 | asuffield | Zomb: and I bet that every single one of them would have used something else if their boss hadn't told them to use dreamweaver |
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| 12:07.36 | asuffield | spot the dead weight in this scenario |
| 12:07.41 | Zomb | asuffield: do you? Then you have just lost. |
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| 12:08.14 | asuffield | <shrug> so you know at least one fool, big surprise |
| 12:08.23 | Daffy-PKF | hmmm, i get this error while trying "make-kpkg --append-to-version "-2-386" --revision 2.6.8-2 --config old configure" : "scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration", i read on some website that it is gcc > 3.5 that produced this, but tried with gcc 3.3, same thing, hoxw can i solve that? |
| 12:08.35 | Ace__ | anyone came in here asking for transcribers yet ? :\ |
| 12:08.47 | Zomb | asuffield: think whatever you want. It is not a bad tool. |
| 12:08.57 | vorlon | Ace__: If they did, they were likely kicked out for being off-topic. |
| 12:09.08 | drac | Daffy-PKF: did you do make-kpkg clean before trying again.. ? |
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| 12:09.34 | Daffy-PKF | drac> how stupid i am, thanks i do it right now :) |
| 12:09.35 | asuffield | if your metric for 'bad tool' is merely "so awful that it's impossible to get anything worthwhile done with it", perhaps |
| 12:09.38 | mohkohn | I am going to have another go at trying to put Sarge on this laptop. |
| 12:09.55 | Ace__ | vorlon: some of the guys doing it atm been at it for too long and need sleep ... sorry for being off topic |
| 12:10.19 | antgel | asuffield: there are a lot of people who want to use it, as if they don't use it, they can't call themselves web designers |
| 12:10.25 | Daffy-PKF | drac> same error |
| 12:10.25 | mohkohn | Everytime I have done it so far I get to this point (after the cd ejects for the first boot. Sarge install locks up initial boot: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 |
| 12:10.42 | asuffield | antgel: that appears to be another way to describe what I just said :P |
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| 12:10.51 | mohkohn | has anyone else had this? |
| 12:11.11 | Zomb | asuffield: as said, think whatever you want. Just stop spreading shit insisting on keeping the last word. Thanks. |
| 12:11.24 | Zomb | s/keeping/having/ |
| 12:11.27 | antgel | mohkohn: have you read the debian-laptop archives and googled? |
| 12:11.40 | asuffield | hah, irony |
| 12:11.52 | mohkohn | Plenty of googling. |
| 12:12.09 | stumbles | i don't have an /etc/exim/exim.conf, just /etc/exim/exim.conf.template - does that mean i'm running on the default values? |
| 12:12.15 | antgel | mohkohn: i str this issue mentioned on debian-laptop although when, i couldn't tell you |
| 12:12.17 | asuffield | mohkohn: so it booted the installer okay, but not the installed system? |
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| 12:12.37 | antgel | stumbles: no, it means something is wrong. dpkg -l exim* |
| 12:12.39 | mohkohn | The frustrating thing is Fedora, Ubuntu, Kanotix all work on this laptop. It just won't install Sarge. |
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| 12:13.05 | tonsofpcs | ok, I got it working. |
| 12:13.22 | antgel | mohkohn: search the list archives. and try 2.4 or 2.6 depending on which one you haven't tried yet |
| 12:13.35 | tonsofpcs | can someone walk me through a MILO install? or at least find me links to the actual dd files? all the ones in the FAQ are down.... |
| 12:13.46 | hyperstream | much less mature , meaning? |
| 12:13.54 | mohkohn | Tried both 26 and 24 |
| 12:14.16 | Daffy-PKF | can someone help me to have any success with that "make-kpkg --append-to-version "-2-386" --revision 2.6.8-2 --config old configure" ?? i get that error: "scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration". I'm running debian sid, and the kernel source is 2.6.8 |
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| 12:14.28 | mohkohn | Its weird that Ubuntu installs and not Sarge. Its supposed to be the same installer |
| 12:14.37 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: meaning an install of MILO, or an install of Debian on a MILO-using system? |
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| 12:14.40 | asuffield | Daffy-PKF: I really doubt that you can build a 2.6.8 kernel with gcc 4.0 |
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| 12:14.49 | asuffield | Daffy-PKF: use a more recent kernel source |
| 12:14.58 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - both, but i think that once the first is done, the second will be easy |
| 12:15.00 | Daffy-PKF | asuffield> i also tried gcc 3.3 |
| 12:15.04 | antgel | asuffield: he's using gcc 3.3 |
| 12:15.13 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: uh, think again; sarge doesn't support MILO. |
| 12:15.18 | asuffield | antgel: not on sid with that command, he isn't |
| 12:15.24 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - yes it does |
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| 12:15.28 | isensi | i have a stale NFS file handle which just stays there as a zombie task, how do i remove it ? |
| 12:15.29 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - and anyway, i'm using woody |
| 12:15.39 | tonsofpcs | [i already have the discs burnt for woody] |
| 12:15.43 | asuffield | isensi: reboot stuff |
| 12:15.47 | stumbles | antgel: what should i be looking for in the output of dpkg -l ? |
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| 12:16.04 | antgel | stumbles: whether you have exim or exim4 installed |
| 12:16.34 | Daffy-PKF | asuffield> ok, actualy i'm typing "MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" make-kpkg --append-to-version "-2-386" --revision 2.6.8-2 --config old configure" |
| 12:16.50 | asuffield | Daffy-PKF: well that's going to be using gcc 4.0, now go use a more recent kernel source |
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| 12:17.05 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: no, sarge most certainly does not support MILO -- I know, I did the alpha boot support in the sarge installer. You can upgrade from woody and still *use* MILO, but that's not the same thing as sarge supporting it. |
| 12:17.08 | asuffield | besides, that's a 4.0 error, so you obviously are |
| 12:17.19 | Daffy-PKF | why 4.0? i ask for 3.3! |
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| 12:17.29 | Daffy-PKF | why don't it use it? |
| 12:17.34 | antgel | Daffy-PKF: do you need MAKEFLAGS? i would have thought you could set CC in the environment |
| 12:17.42 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - well the FAQ is there for it :) anyway, I'm using Woody 3.0r1 |
| 12:17.43 | asuffield | because the kernel build system is complicated |
| 12:17.46 | Daffy-PKF | antgel> did that also... |
| 12:18.00 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: hrm? what FAQ? |
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| 12:18.25 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - the Alpha FAQ on the Debian site |
| 12:18.28 | Daffy-PKF | asuffield> wich kernel version do you suggest? |
| 12:18.40 | asuffield | whatever the latest kernel source package in the archive is |
| 12:18.50 | hyperstream | how can i make mozilla firefox default browser for all applications and .html files |
| 12:19.00 | stumbles | antgel: just exim4, not exim |
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| 12:19.12 | Blissex | hyperstream: there is no way. |
| 12:19.12 | Eythian | hyperstream: what desktop environment? |
| 12:19.16 | antgel | stumbles: then your config is in /etc/exim4, not /etc/exim |
| 12:19.18 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: really, though, I have no idea where to find MILO firmware images these days; I only do SRM, and all Alpha's past 2001 or something are SRM-only |
| 12:19.23 | hyperstream | gnome |
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| 12:19.29 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: I'd appreciate it if you'd give me a URL, so that I can get the FAQ fixed. |
| 12:19.30 | hyperstream | there isnt |
| 12:19.31 | hyperstream | that sucks |
| 12:19.40 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - ok, i'll get it in a minute |
| 12:19.43 | Daffy-PKF | asuffield> i don't want to build the kernel, i'd like to use an image, then use it's config file, just to make fglrx driver happy |
| 12:19.45 | Eythian | hyperstream: oh, I only really know KDE. But you should be able to set it as a fail assoaciation somewhere |
| 12:19.46 | Blissex | hyperstream: there is a way for GNOME apps, |
| 12:19.57 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - well, this is a 1995 Alpha board, it's an EB164, it has ARC on it, and it won't let me flash it |
| 12:20.01 | stumbles | antgel: sorry yes it does have a 4 in the path |
| 12:20.02 | Blissex | hyperstream: and there is another way for KDE apps, and another for .... and so on. |
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| 12:20.11 | hyperstream | ahh yup thanks |
| 12:20.21 | Eythian | s/fail/file/ :) |
| 12:20.27 | stumbles | antgel: but still no exim.conf |
| 12:20.31 | asuffield | Daffy-PKF: <shrug> you're on your own with weird proprietary stuff like fglrx |
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| 12:20.39 | antgel | grr |
| 12:20.47 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: yeah, the EB164 is *supposed* to support SRM, at least, but if it won't let you flash it, I don't know how to fix that. |
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| 12:21.00 | Daffy-PKF | ho ok... |
| 12:21.11 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.alpha/ch05s01.html |
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| 12:21.17 | Blissex | hyperstream: usually GUI based apps or frameworks have a preference called something like ''file associations''. |
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| 12:21.38 | jenner | Daffy-PKF: have you seen this: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html? |
| 12:21.41 | antgel | stumbles: you may have chosen the split config, which is a daft system whereby your config is split into many files in /etc/exim4/conf.d |
| 12:21.46 | Blissex | hyperstream: some also have one called ''default browser'', which is a slightly different thing (not just for HTML, but HTTP too). |
| 12:21.56 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - i think the page was just kept from the woody guide |
| 12:22.14 | stumbles | antgel: urg, i hope not - but a dpkg-reconfigure should be able to sort that right? |
| 12:22.33 | xelam | Who can speak Chinaese |
| 12:22.38 | Daffy-PKF | jenner> yes... i'm at this point: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html?#requirements |
| 12:22.53 | Daffy-PKF | just trying to do what is asked |
| 12:23.01 | antgel | stumbles: it doesn't matter that much. what do you actually want to do? |
| 12:23.03 | xelam | noe |
| 12:23.04 | jenner | Daffy-PKF: the latest version from the URL should support gcc4 (see http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#changelog) |
| 12:23.06 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: ah, that's the devel copy, which still has that section in case someone at a later date decides to re-add support for MILO. |
| 12:23.17 | Ekaterin | Any idea why Mathematica 4.2 has started segfaulting after an upgrade from woody to sarge? |
| 12:23.23 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: the released version is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/alpha/ch05s01.html.en -- you'll notice that section is trimmed |
| 12:23.36 | Om | I just compiled a new kernel (with make-kpkg kernel-image) and "dpkg -i"ed the .deb, but looking in /boot/grub/menu.lst then the two new entries don't seem to have initrd entries, but the entries for previous kernels do. Does this matter? |
| 12:23.38 | stumbles | antgel: well i was just wondering how to change my smarthost for when i change networks |
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| 12:23.43 | jenner | Daffy-PKF: just install the mathing kernel-headers for your kernel-image package, install the fglrx-kernel-source and run module-assistant |
| 12:23.45 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 12:23.50 | Om | Also there's no initrd.blah file in /boot for the new kernel. |
| 12:23.53 | antgel | stumbles: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 12:23.54 | solemnwarning | i cant print anything to my lan printer |
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| 12:24.00 | jenner | Daffy-PKF: it worked some time ago for me (although I haven't tested it with gcc4) |
| 12:24.03 | solemnwarning | is my config ok? http://pastebin.com/356030 |
| 12:24.04 | asg | Om: if you didn't use the --initrd option to make-kpkg, you won't have one |
| 12:24.06 | stumbles | antgel: cheers |
| 12:24.12 | Om | The tutorial I was following didn't mention anything about it. |
| 12:24.14 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: anyway, if you have a woody CD, there should be a directory on it containing MILO images; but you should definitely follow the woody install guide in that case |
| 12:24.15 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - but it still shows that MILO is an option, it just suggests SRM |
| 12:24.16 | jm_ | Om: it depends on how you built it |
| 12:24.23 | Om | Does it matter not having one? |
| 12:24.26 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: no, it does not. |
| 12:24.29 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - ok, so the milo images should be on there? |
| 12:24.30 | asg | Ekaterin: you are probably now using an incompatible libc or some other library. |
| 12:24.34 | xelam | can you speak Chinases |
| 12:24.36 | asg | Om: no |
| 12:24.38 | asg | xelam: no |
| 12:24.38 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - "Because MILO is not available for any of the Alpha systems currently in production (as of February 2000), and because it is no longer necessary to buy an OpenVMS or Tru64 Unix license to have SRM firmware on your older Alpha, it is recommended that you use SRM when possible." |
| 12:24.40 | Daffy-PKF | jenner> ok, thanks |
| 12:24.44 | Om | Okay, thanks. |
| 12:24.55 | pngwn | xelam, Chinases people |
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| 12:25.16 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: "GNU/Linux is the only operating system on Alpha that can be booted from both console types, but Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 only supports booting on SRM-based systems." |
| 12:25.18 | xelam | Yes |
| 12:25.21 | xelam | i am |
| 12:25.27 | sep | !cn |
| 12:25.27 | dpkg | it has been said that cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 12:25.45 | pngwn | xelam, /msg dpkg chinese |
| 12:25.52 | jm_ | nicely fucked up entry |
| 12:25.54 | tonsofpcs | ah, didn't see that added, but if that's there, why even mention MILO? |
| 12:26.02 | tonsofpcs | for folks who want MILO over SRM? |
| 12:26.30 | xelam | now I can't use Chinaese Input ... |
| 12:27.03 | stumbles | antgel: is it ok to leave my mail name as localhost.localdomain since the machine doesn't have a domain name? (mail sent by smarthost) |
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| 12:27.31 | antgel | stumbles: as long as your MUA sets From:, i think it's okay |
| 12:27.42 | SynrG | jm_: not if your locale is UTF-8 and you have the appropriate fonts installed |
| 12:27.44 | Leonel | brasil ? |
| 12:27.48 | Leonel | join ?? |
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| 12:28.46 | Leonel | portugues?? |
| 12:28.46 | xelam | can U speak Chinaese |
| 12:28.46 | antgel | !br |
| 12:28.46 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:29.04 | sep | !tell xelam about cn |
| 12:29.07 | Leonel | :-D |
| 12:29.09 | Leonel | ok |
| 12:29.13 | Leonel | trany |
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| 12:38.06 | fhffhqvb | meh |
| 12:38.06 | xelam | a ? |
| 12:38.06 | xelam | what happen? |
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| 12:38.06 | Morti | xelam O.o |
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| 12:38.07 | xelam | what? |
| 12:38.07 | pngwn | xelam, try #chinese |
| 12:38.07 | Morti | Nnnnnetsplit. |
| 12:38.07 | xelam | #chinese |
| 12:38.07 | xelam | #chinaese |
| 12:38.07 | pngwn | xelam, try /join #chinese |
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| 12:38.08 | fhffhqvb | xelam: You have no chance to survive make your time |
| 12:38.08 | xelam | i do it just now |
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| 12:38.09 | fhffhqvb | xelam: You are on the way to destruction |
| 12:38.09 | Morti | Move Zig! For great justice! |
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| 12:38.10 | tonsofpcs | ok, vorlon, it gives me a device error anytime i try accessing the floppy drive |
| 12:38.10 | tonsofpcs | be it the attempt of a firmware update |
| 12:38.10 | tonsofpcs | or simply trying to boot milo [made a boot setup in ARC, according to man] |
| 12:38.10 | tonsofpcs | any clue why? |
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| 12:38.11 | tonsofpcs | "" Error: Device error, press any key to continue"" [ltRed on Grey, rest of screen is blue |
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| 12:38.12 | vine | any chinese server?3x |
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| 12:39.50 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: bad floppy? Sorry, the only guess I have is that it's hardware |
| 12:40.05 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: I think there's supposed to be a way to boot direct from the CD, though, without having to make a floppy? |
| 12:40.25 | xelam | 我的系统如何å¯ä»¥æ‰“å¼€CHMæ ¼å¼çš„文件？ |
| 12:40.40 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - i have 3 floppy drives that i've tried, same thing on all of em |
| 12:40.42 | vorlon | xelam: this is an English channel, plesae. |
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| 12:41.00 | tonsofpcs | if i try reversing the cable [as others have suggested], they do the same thing, except the LEDs will stay on the entire time |
| 12:41.01 | jenner | Daffy-PKF: just rebuilt it using the .tar.gz and .dsc provided at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#src.. just install the created fglrx-kernel-src_8.16.20-1_i386.deb and run `module-assistant build fglrx-kernel-src` |
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| 12:41.04 | Pryon | bad controller? |
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| 12:41.05 | SimonRaven | probably ECHAN |
| 12:41.17 | mek__ | hello, I just installed debian testing using latest net-install cd. The operating system came with kernel image 2.6.8-2-386 which was compilied with gcc 3.X, and the default compiler was gcc 4.0 on the system. I noticed that when i compile external modules with gcc i wouldnt be able to load them. So here is my question: If i am to compile a custom kernel now, should I compile it with gcc 4 or 3? |
| 12:41.19 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: right, when the light is solid-on, that means the cable is backwards. :) |
| 12:41.32 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - that means i have it the right way now then :) |
| 12:41.39 | jm_ | mek__: the same as your kernel was compiled with |
| 12:41.39 | tonsofpcs | which means it still doesn't like me :( |
| 12:41.46 | tonsofpcs | mek__! |
| 12:41.53 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: but as I said, it *should* be possible to configure ARC to boot from the CD directly, by telling it the paths to the needed files... I just don't remember the details |
| 12:41.57 | tarzeau | mek__: now you have sarge or testing? |
| 12:42.04 | mek__ | tarzeau: testing |
| 12:42.06 | SimonRaven | is this an ide or floppy ? |
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| 12:42.15 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: can't you network boot it? |
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| 12:42.25 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - DEC Alpha EB164 |
| 12:42.27 | mek__ | jm_: why the same as the previous kernel? |
| 12:42.27 | SimonRaven | ok, floppy |
| 12:42.42 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: i'm not familiar with all sorts of alphas, but mine booted fine on the network |
| 12:42.42 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - I know it will with a SCSI CD drive, but i have only IDE/ATAPI drives available [no SCSI controller in here either] |
| 12:42.46 | mek__ | jm_: i want to compile a seperate one, say the latest 2.6.13 |
| 12:42.59 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - really? SRM or ARC? how? |
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| 12:43.11 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: hrm, ARC is supposed to be Windows-friendly, does it really not support IDE CDROM? |
| 12:43.21 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: i had the windows bios one |
| 12:43.30 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: www.linuks.mine.nu/alpha/ |
| 12:43.32 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - with the blue screen? |
| 12:43.41 | jm_ | mek__: it doesn't change anything - modules have to be compiled with the same version of compiler that kernel was compile with |
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| 12:43.44 | tonsofpcs | vorlon - IDK, it's weird, sometimes it sees it, sometimes it sees it as a HDD, sometimes it doesn't see it.... |
| 12:43.45 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: exactly with the very ugly pc bios like look |
| 12:43.58 | vorlon | tonsofpcs: lovely. Well, good luck to you; I'm going to bed. |
| 12:44.01 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - wasn't really a pc bios type look, but ya |
| 12:44.09 | tonsofpcs | nite vorlon :) thx for your help and guidance :) |
| 12:44.20 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: do you have a tftp/dhcp server with debian somewhere near? |
| 12:44.22 | SimonRaven | vorlon: g'night |
| 12:44.40 | tonsofpcs | ya, tarzeau, that requires SRM, I don't have SRM, only ARC |
| 12:44.46 | tonsofpcs | you probably had a board that supported both |
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| 12:45.01 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: you asked in #alpha already? |
| 12:45.09 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - yup |
| 12:45.13 | mek__ | jm_: ok.. then since the default compiler is gcc 4 now, i should go with 4 right? |
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| 12:45.19 | pedrolito59 | hi |
| 12:45.27 | tonsofpcs | didn't ask about netboot, i guess i'll ask now, but i was under the impression that only SRM could do fancy stuff like that |
| 12:45.33 | SimonRaven | mek__: what does cat /proc/version say? |
| 12:45.38 | jm_ | mek__: you don't have to, you can use whatever version you prefer |
| 12:45.41 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: nah, arc certainly can do it as well |
| 12:45.51 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - you know how? |
| 12:45.57 | pedrolito59 | in a script, the "&" doesn't work ? |
| 12:46.04 | jm_ | it works |
| 12:46.08 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: no, since i don't have it :), help doesn't help ? |
| 12:46.21 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - i'll check, brb [kvm] |
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| 12:46.49 | mek__ | SimonRaven: Linux version 2.6.11-1-686 (dannf@firetheft) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-6)) #1 Mon Jun 20 22:00:38 MDT 2005 |
| 12:46.56 | tonsofpcs | help just tells me "do the following steps, in this order" .... for Windows NT |
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| 12:47.40 | McScruff | hello |
| 12:47.53 | SimonRaven | mek__: 2 options: you build the modules with that version, or rebuild the kernel with gcc 4 |
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| 12:49.28 | McScruff | i have just installed debian, kde and xserver, but how do i get kde to start, startx runs an error and startkde runs an error (coz no xserver) |
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| 12:50.08 | Guerin | McScruff: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 12:50.10 | illsci | im trying to install sarge on a newer dell system and when it boots up into the 2.6 kernel... it hangs at the Choosing Language section |
| 12:50.13 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - found a wiki that says "The ARC Standard mandates network booting of an operating system via BOOTP/TFTP or alternatively DCL/RIPL. Most implementations comply to that with a varying degree of buggyness" |
| 12:50.18 | McScruff | ty |
| 12:50.27 | illsci | the keyboard works and lets me type in linux26 but as soon as it boots it just sits there |
| 12:50.29 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 12:50.38 | Guerin | illsci: try 2.4? |
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| 12:50.46 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: yep that looks good |
| 12:50.48 | SimonRaven | "...varying degree of bugginess" |
| 12:50.48 | tonsofpcs | but no, i don't have a tftp/dhcp server with debian |
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| 12:50.53 | Guerin | Welcome to Dell Hell. How can we fuck your day up? |
| 12:50.53 | illsci | yeah but the 2.4 doesnt support my disk controller |
| 12:50.58 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: do you have a debian workstation? |
| 12:51.01 | SimonRaven | at least they're honest ;) |
| 12:51.02 | illsci | i know i hate dell :) |
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| 12:51.07 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: or any linux system ? |
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| 12:51.15 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: or unix or bsd system? |
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| 12:51.27 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - I have a Virtual Machine with Linspire on it, a VM with Mandrake 2005 [right b4 name change], a ....... |
| 12:52.14 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: ouf, can they do network? linspire has apt-get i think, install dhcp3-server and tftpd |
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| 12:52.40 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - they can network, i can try binding it directly to the wired port and using a crossover |
| 12:52.47 | tonsofpcs | and I can always just boot the old notebook with a boot-CD |
| 12:52.57 | tonsofpcs | lemme get a crossover, brb |
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| 12:53.31 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: you'll need to create a /tftpboot (i prefer it there, and put a file in there) |
| 12:53.41 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: also install tcpdump or ngrep, it might be useful later |
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| 12:54.45 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: download the boot.img from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-alpha/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 12:55.05 | smo | hi |
| 12:55.08 | joale | where to look for info about the popularity of debian compared to other distros? |
| 12:55.12 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: and throw it to /tftpboot , edit /etc/inetd.conf for the /tftpboot path and pkill -HUP inetd |
| 12:55.21 | smo | what can i use to read .chm files on debian (e-book) ?? |
| 12:55.50 | tarzeau | smo: xchm - Compiled HTML Help (CHM) file viewer for X |
| 12:55.53 | jm_ | !tell smo -about search |
| 12:55.56 | tarzeau | joale: what country? |
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| 12:56.06 | smo | i know jm... |
| 12:56.06 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - ok, just got crossover [i went downstairs to look, only to realize it was sitting right next to me here :)] |
| 12:56.15 | jm_ | smo: so use it |
| 12:56.17 | tonsofpcs | it helps if i put a NIC in the alpha first, right? :) |
| 12:56.20 | joale | tarzeau, why should it matters? worldwide! |
| 12:56.27 | smo | sorry... |
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| 12:56.59 | zigOTO | Hi |
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| 12:57.18 | zigOTO | is there a way to reload the Compose definition file, w/o restarting X ? |
| 12:57.25 | tarzeau | joale: there's linuxcounter.org |
| 12:57.33 | asuffield | zignig: compose is a client thing. the X server is not involved |
| 12:57.35 | asuffield | bah! |
| 12:57.37 | tarzeau | joale: there's popcon.debian.org (only debian package install stats) |
| 12:57.40 | asuffield | zigOTO, even |
| 12:57.41 | tarzeau | there is |
| 12:57.42 | tarzeau | !dff |
| 12:57.42 | dpkg | debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap |
| 12:57.47 | asuffield | zigOTO: so just restart the client |
| 12:57.49 | fhffhqvb | zigOTO: i don't know what that is, but you can reload configs by SIGHUP'ping programs |
| 12:57.50 | tarzeau | and a worldmap stat without debian- |
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| 12:58.13 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: hehe, happens to me also, sometimes :) |
| 12:58.24 | zigOTO | thx, but what is that client ? |
| 12:58.26 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - oh, i had it right here, i pulled it out when it wouldn't boot :) |
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| 12:58.52 | tonsofpcs | ok |
| 12:58.53 | tonsofpcs | that's in |
| 12:58.53 | asuffield | zigOTO: I don't know, you're the one running it |
| 12:58.57 | tonsofpcs | now to start up linspire |
| 12:59.05 | joale | tarzeau, debian does not figure in a worldmap stat? would that itself have said a lot about the pop of debian? |
| 12:59.08 | tonsofpcs | [turn on external HDD.....] |
| 12:59.10 | zigOTO | k :) |
| 12:59.24 | tarzeau | joale: they have a worldmap stat of debian developers |
| 12:59.31 | tarzeau | joale: about 800 people |
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| 12:59.56 | Bob332 | how do I reconfigure the X windows system? |
| 13:00.18 | krad | hey guys .. how can i zip a directory in a .tar.gz file? |
| 13:00.18 | tonsofpcs | dpkg - but does that site use WGL83 or WGL27 datum? |
| 13:00.20 | jm_ | Bob332: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 13:00.34 | joale | tarzeau, aha, but does not indicate anything about the pop of debian. |
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| 13:00.46 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau, that should be :) |
| 13:00.49 | tarzeau | joale: pop of debian like what? all users of debian? |
| 13:01.04 | joale | tarzeau, yep. |
| 13:01.14 | drac | krad: "man tar", first page, has examples. |
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| 13:01.18 | tarzeau | joale: there can only be estimates |
| 13:01.50 | tonsofpcs | :) |
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| 13:02.14 | joale | tarzeau, not the absolute number, but the ranking in terms of total users. |
| 13:02.20 | tonsofpcs | ok, the virtual machine is running on the other monitor :) |
| 13:02.48 | tonsofpcs | lets see... su.... apt-get install dhcp3-server and apt-get install tftpd? |
| 13:02.50 | horror_vacui | Could it be that anyone knows which modules do I need to run lm_sensors on a proliant ML370? |
| 13:02.53 | joale | Bob332, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
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| 13:03.01 | tarzeau | joale: compared to other linux distributions? |
| 13:03.08 | joale | tarzeau, yep. |
| 13:03.10 | cahoot | joale: do you know of any OS for which that kind of info is accessible? |
| 13:03.13 | tarzeau | joale: probably the first |
| 13:03.17 | drac | horror_vacui: just load i2c_sensor and i2c_isa and run sensors-detect ? |
| 13:03.25 | tarzeau | joale: compare users in #debian to #redhat to #suse to #fedora |
| 13:03.44 | joale | tarzeau, that is what i am looking for. |
| 13:04.00 | horror_vacui | drac: I ran sensors-detect, but without the modules... I thought i2c-core and i2c-dev suffice... |
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| 13:04.44 | horror_vacui | Crap. I have no i2c_sensors... Back to compiling. |
| 13:04.56 | joale | tarzeau, cahoot, no forthcoming info? |
| 13:05.11 | tarzeau | !cahoot |
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| 13:05.42 | tarzeau | joale: count the users in those channels and compare them, this might get you to completely wrong results, or an idea for estimates |
| 13:06.30 | joale | tarzeau, you mean users of chat channels, that would be crap info. |
| 13:06.42 | cheal | horror_vacui: don't worry, it's i2c_sensor |
| 13:06.44 | tarzeau | joale: no, why? |
| 13:06.46 | tonsofpcs | ok, got it, turning off the machine and now switching the network to use the wired |
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| 13:06.57 | joale | tarzeau, use your head. |
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| 13:07.03 | tarzeau | joale: you could also look for the mailinglist subscribed number of people info |
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| 13:07.22 | tarzeau | joale: it is an information. and it is not of crap. it depends what you do with it |
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| 13:07.29 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - should I let x load up, cancel x, or does it not matter? |
| 13:07.44 | tarzeau | joale: take as many sources of infomation you can get, give them different weights and combine it all for an estimate |
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| 13:08.11 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: i have no idea what you're doing . you don't need x to networkboot another machine |
| 13:08.27 | joale | tarzeau, what about the # of servers running debian, know of any source of info on that? |
| 13:08.40 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - right now, the machine is "off" and i am "switching network interfaces" so it goes direct to the wired card :) |
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| 13:09.26 | tarzeau | joale: pick a number of random ip addresses, scan for port 22, count the values of Debian in the banner and those without |
| 13:09.50 | joale | tarzeau, you don't know if it has been done? |
| 13:09.52 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - ok, now i'm booting the linspire 'machine' |
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| 13:10.00 | horror_vacui | cheal: I can't find i2c_sensor either... Is that in the section "i2c support" in the kernel config or somewhere else? |
| 13:10.07 | tarzeau | joale: i know openssh has done ssh surveys, not specific to debian though |
| 13:10.23 | tarzeau | joale: i have done some smtp stats (not specific to debian either) |
| 13:10.41 | tarzeau | joale: the thing is alot of people run debian servers , unavailable to the internet |
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| 13:11.08 | tarzeau | joale: about 1-3 % (my guess) run ssh on another port than 22 |
| 13:11.31 | joale | tarzeau, that reminds me of something more useful to do. is there a debian package to detect intruders? I want if people are trying to access my machine? |
| 13:11.33 | tarzeau | joale: why do you care about these numbers? do you need them for a decision? |
| 13:11.41 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - once the linspire machine boots [the one with the dhcp3-server and tftpd on it, with the boot.img dl'd], what do i do? [never netbooted before, especially not an alpha] |
| 13:11.45 | tarzeau | joale: you are paranoid. go read |
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| 13:11.47 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 13:11.48 | dpkg | harden-doc is, like, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
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| 13:12.35 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: did you read www.linuks.mine.nu/alpha/ i've not done it for a while, but run tcpdump on the tftpd and watch it, try to tell the alpha to try to network boot... |
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| 13:12.43 | joale | tarzeau, i don't know the read, that's for nerds. i want to use a software for a purpose. |
| 13:13.08 | fireba11 | q: if i run a cronjob and it fails is that automatically logged or do i need to set an option to have the error message written to a logfile ? |
| 13:13.09 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - I have no clue how to run tftpd, I have never done a netboot before [well, once, but that was an automated, boot-disk assisted one] |
| 13:13.27 | jenner | fireba11: check your /varl/log/syslog |
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| 13:13.39 | joale | tarzeau, do you use gkrellm? |
| 13:13.40 | fireba11 | jenner: so it osuld log to syslog by default ? |
| 13:13.41 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: did you edit /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 13:13.49 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: and download the boot.img ? |
| 13:13.54 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - i got the boot image |
| 13:13.57 | tarzeau | joale: no |
| 13:13.58 | jenner | fireba11: yes, afaik your postmaster should get an email too |
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| 13:13.59 | tonsofpcs | what do i need to do to inetd.conf? |
| 13:14.03 | fireba11 | jenner: want to add an important job to crontab and want to make sure it gets logged |
| 13:14.06 | jm_ | fireba11: man 5 crontab |
| 13:14.08 | fireba11 | jenner: oki, thx |
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| 13:14.16 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: where did you put the boot image? |
| 13:14.25 | joale | tarzeau, seriously, any package to detect intruders? |
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| 13:14.46 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - right now it's in one of the user's home dirs, but i can put it wherever it is needed |
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| 13:15.04 | mhead | anyone know how to configure exim4 (included in the debian install) to force auth on relaying mails (from any host) ? |
| 13:15.11 | tarzeau | joale: seriously read harden-doc |
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| 13:15.16 | tonsofpcs | [i run a tight system, no dl's as root except apt-get, users don't get access anywhere away from home] |
| 13:15.19 | tarzeau | joale: it's too late when you detected intruders |
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| 13:15.30 | cockroach | hi. i'm trying to do a netinstall. the client gets a DHCP reply with the correct path (/pxelinux.0) and then tries to get it TFTP ("RRQ "/pxelinux.0" - tcpdump) - it does, however, not appear to get a satosfactory response and just repeats the request a couple of times - what's wrong there? how could i debug this? |
| 13:15.49 | petemc | mrew: set authentication, set up your acls to only allow authenticated mails.. |
| 13:15.49 | tarzeau | cockroach: tcpdump or ngrep |
| 13:15.59 | tarzeau | cockroach: i've got my stuff at http://gnu.ethz.ch/d-i/ |
| 13:16.04 | Zugschlus | mhead: tha's default |
| 13:16.10 | Zugschlus | mhead: that's the default |
| 13:16.27 | mhead | Zugschlus: no, default is blocking all relays :( |
| 13:16.31 | joale | tarzeau, doesn't matter. the thrill is to be able to know that there are intrusions. |
| 13:16.35 | Zugschlus | mhead: no. |
| 13:16.43 | cockroach | tarzeau: i AM using tcpdump - can't really find anything useful there. i'll check your url (hi, btw) :) |
| 13:16.49 | mhead | Zugschlus: how come it doesn't work then? :) |
| 13:16.55 | tonsofpcs | so tarzeau, what do i need to do in inetd.conf? i see a "tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /svr/tftp" line there.... |
| 13:16.55 | Zugschlus | mhead: exim4 will relay (a) for mails targeted at either a local or relay_domain |
| 13:17.02 | Zugschlus | (b) for mails originating in relay-nets or |
| 13:17.07 | tarzeau | cockroach: hi, apropos joystick, there's a patch for it, if you want to try i can point you to it |
| 13:17.09 | Zugschlus | (c) if the client has authenticated |
| 13:17.18 | tonsofpcs | [that's the only thing not commented] |
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| 13:17.21 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: chagne /svr/tftp to /tftpboot |
| 13:17.28 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: and put boot.img to /tftpboot |
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| 13:17.30 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - ok |
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| 13:17.36 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: type pkill -HUP inetd |
| 13:17.53 | Zugschlus | mhead: in the default config, AUTH is only advertised on encrypted connections, so you'll need to set up TLS first, see /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 13:17.54 | tarzeau | joale: what's the ip address of your machine? |
| 13:17.54 | joale | tarzeau, are you a distant cousin of tarzan? |
| 13:18.03 | cockroach | tarzeau: i'm not currently near my joystick-pc, but just send an e-mail, i'll test it when i get a chance |
| 13:18.04 | tarzeau | joale: no relation at all |
| 13:18.37 | mhead | Zugschlus: that's true.. but I want to relay mails targeted for * |
| 13:18.53 | Zugschlus | mhead: stupid idea |
| 13:19.06 | jethro | tarzeau: hey |
| 13:19.09 | joale | tarzeau, what about the ape companion of tarzan, related to that are you? |
| 13:19.12 | mhead | yes it is.. unless you don't make the auth work :) |
| 13:19.12 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - ok, so i mkdir'd /tftpboot and i put boot.img there |
| 13:19.17 | tarzeau | joale: fuck off |
| 13:19.20 | tonsofpcs | now i'm pkilling |
| 13:19.34 | tonsofpcs | ok, now what? |
| 13:19.54 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: in the alpha bios, check out all the menus |
| 13:19.55 | joale | tarzeau, that response confirms that you are. |
| 13:19.59 | Zugschlus | mhead: (a), (b), (c) are _or_ in the above list |
| 13:20.06 | Zugschlus | so, exim will relay for you once you have authenticated |
| 13:20.10 | jethro | !lart joale |
| 13:20.11 | mhead | Zugschlus: the thing is that I don't want to use encrypted connections. :) |
| 13:20.15 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: wait you don't have SRM but ARM right? |
| 13:20.18 | tarzeau | err ARC |
| 13:20.23 | Zugschlus | mhead: well, then you got to read the documentation yourself |
| 13:20.24 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - ARC, no SRM |
| 13:20.28 | tonsofpcs | only ARC |
| 13:20.34 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: google arc netboot ? |
| 13:20.36 | mhead | Zugschlus: I did.. for about 5 hours.. then I got here |
| 13:20.46 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - ok, gimme a sec |
| 13:20.55 | joale | jethro, ooch, it hurts. |
| 13:21.05 | tarzeau | hi jethro |
| 13:21.11 | tonsofpcs | [system runs high on resources with two monitors and a virtual machine] |
| 13:21.12 | yalu | I have a question about desktop usage and stuff that's got to do with the /dev directory. I would rather ask it to a mailing list then on irc... can anyone suggest an appropriate mailing list besides debian-user? |
| 13:21.21 | Zugschlus | mhead: suggested reading /etc/exim4/conf.d/auth/30_exim4-config_examples |
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| 13:21.24 | mhead | Zugschlus: how come relaying mails targeted for * using auth is stupid? |
| 13:21.30 | cockroach | tarzeau: with tcpdump i see the request ("33 RRQ "/pxelinux.0") and some UDP stuff ("UDP, length 15") afterwards - nothing helpful... |
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| 13:21.41 | tonsofpcs | yalu - /dev/null [that is about /dev, right?] jk :) |
| 13:22.05 | joale | jethro, what does 'lart' really do to me? |
| 13:22.15 | yalu | tonsofpcs: somewhere I have a chance of a good answer, to be more specific :) |
| 13:22.17 | tarzeau | cockroach: can you put it online, all? |
| 13:22.35 | cockroach | tarzeau: sure. how verbose would you like it to be? |
| 13:22.40 | tonsofpcs | yalu - :) irc is where I go, but i'm sure if you read the lists of groups on a usenet server, you can find one |
| 13:22.40 | Zugschlus | mhead: also, relay control in /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt seems to be adequately commented |
| 13:22.42 | tarzeau | cockroach: tcpdump stock verbose |
| 13:22.49 | mhead | Zugschlus: the examples don't say anything about the case I'm looking for.. e.g. relaying mail targeted for * using auth without encryption |
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| 13:23.02 | Zugschlus | mhead: actually, they do |
| 13:23.12 | Zugschlus | # Authenticators which rely on unencrypted clear text passwords don't |
| 13:23.12 | Zugschlus | # advertise on unencrypted connections by default. You can set |
| 13:23.12 | Zugschlus | # AUTH_SERVER_ALLOW_NOTLS_PASSWORDS to advertise unencrypted clear text |
| 13:23.12 | Zugschlus | # password based authenticators on all connections. |
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| 13:23.14 | tarzeau | cockroach: you see the client trying to netboot right? there is no other dhcpd's on the same network? |
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| 13:23.26 | Zugschlus | ok, sorry, i cannot read the docs to you here |
| 13:23.32 | jethro | joale: I wish it'd automagically add you to my ignore list, but it'll require my fingers |
| 13:23.36 | Zugschlus | so you got to read them yourself |
| 13:23.43 | cockroach | tarzeau: exactly |
| 13:24.00 | mhead | Zugschlus: yes.. that one I found. but it still didn't work with the relays |
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| 13:24.11 | Zugschlus | so you need to do some debugging |
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| 13:24.18 | Zugschlus | the swaks package might help you in debugging |
| 13:24.25 | Zugschlus | also, it doesn't hurt to know a little bit about the protocol |
| 13:25.05 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - i only see info on SRM |
| 13:25.10 | illsci | does anyone have a sarge with 2.4.31 iso |
| 13:25.13 | joale | jethro, Zugschlus is supposed to have been kicked away, why is he still around? |
| 13:25.26 | Zugschlus | joale: I took the liberty of rejoining |
| 13:25.33 | mhead | Zugschlus: ok, I'll keep on struggling then.. thanks for your effort on this |
| 13:25.37 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: well try searching harder, i've never seen SRM |
| 13:25.47 | tarzeau | illsci: i have one with netboot |
| 13:25.54 | joale | Zugschlus, in that case the kick is ineffective. |
| 13:25.56 | illsci | yeah i dont have that setup |
| 13:26.02 | joale | waste of energy. |
| 13:26.05 | tarzeau | illsci: it's easy to setup, wanna try? |
| 13:26.05 | Zugschlus | joale: well, I can leave if you want to |
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| 13:26.11 | illsci | sure i guess |
| 13:26.18 | streuner | joale: if you going this way you'll be banned. |
| 13:26.19 | illsci | what do i need other than a dhcp server |
| 13:26.20 | Ronin | joale: it was a kick for flooding nothing more nothing less |
| 13:26.24 | tarzeau | illsci: tftpd |
| 13:26.28 | illsci | ok i can do that |
| 13:26.29 | joale | Zugschlus, no, no, i don't like to do that. i am tolerant. |
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| 13:26.41 | tarzeau | illsci: http://gnu.ethz.ch/d-i/ and it's done using the kernel at http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ |
| 13:26.42 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - you've never seen SRM? huh? |
| 13:26.56 | tarzeau | illsci: i do have an updated version for via-rhine and other nics, if you need that, tell me and i'll put it online |
| 13:26.56 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - it doesn't show the ethernet as a "device detected by the firmware" |
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| 13:27.09 | illsci | whats via-rhine |
| 13:27.10 | joale | streuner, i am trying to be familiar with the process. |
| 13:27.13 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - it does, however, show it in the pci id list |
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| 13:27.23 | cockroach | tarzeau: http://stefan.desire.ch/tcpdump-verbose.txt |
| 13:27.26 | tarzeau | Zugschlus: obviously joale is a troll |
| 13:27.37 | illsci | hmmm im not sure how to set this up |
| 13:27.51 | Zugschlus | tarzeau: actually, it was my mistake, I didn't know that the bots are _that_ sharp |
| 13:27.52 | joale | streuner, who is debhelper, a person or a bot? |
| 13:27.59 | illsci | i guess everything in the tftp dir goes into my tftpboot dir |
| 13:28.04 | illsci | but what about the /etc |
| 13:28.07 | Zugschlus | *shrug*, no more docs reading. fine with me. |
| 13:28.09 | tonsofpcs | joale - it's a bot run by a person, afaik |
| 13:28.16 | illsci | oh ok this is just the dhcp config |
| 13:28.27 | tonsofpcs | joale - why not run the touring test on it? |
| 13:28.27 | illsci | nice :) |
| 13:28.40 | tarzeau | illsci: it's really easy diff with what you have |
| 13:28.41 | joale | tarzeau, i am trying to be familiar with chat and all its associated nuances. |
| 13:28.56 | joale | tonsofpcs, touring test, what is that? |
| 13:29.15 | tonsofpcs | http://www.google.com/search?q=touring%20test |
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| 13:29.20 | joale | tonsofpcs, you don't mean the Turin Test? |
| 13:29.27 | tonsofpcs | [or did i spell that wrong] |
| 13:29.28 | tonsofpcs | yea |
| 13:29.30 | tonsofpcs | turin test |
| 13:29.48 | tonsofpcs | i can't think this early in the morning :) Turing Test |
| 13:30.16 | fireba11 | hehe |
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| 13:30.40 | joale | tonsofpcs, yeh, i got it wrong too. should be Turing, Alan Turing of Manchester U of England. |
| 13:30.43 | tonsofpcs | anyway, tar -xfzeau, i can't find info on ARC |
| 13:30.48 | asuffield | the turin test is where you paint it, wrap it in a sheet, and see what pattern it makes |
| 13:31.08 | tonsofpcs | asuffield - well, we could do that to debhelper, but he may get angry ;) |
| 13:31.15 | yxa | guys is it ok to ssh-keygen W/O a passphrase to usa ssh w/o prompts? |
| 13:31.19 | asuffield | more likely to get soggy |
| 13:31.23 | ster | hello, I'm a real noob and I have trouble setting up my internet connection in Ubuntu |
| 13:31.33 | asuffield | yxa: of course, why are you asking? |
| 13:31.36 | Ronin | ster: tried in #ubuntu? |
| 13:31.37 | ster | can any one help me please? |
| 13:31.38 | asuffield | ster: go to #ubuntu |
| 13:31.54 | ster | no, I'm new on irc too |
| 13:31.54 | joale | tonsofpcs, can i chat with 'debhelper'? |
| 13:32.01 | ster | thx |
| 13:32.01 | tonsofpcs | joale - idk, why don't you try it |
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| 13:32.12 | Ronin | ster: try askin in the channel for the, never mind |
| 13:32.24 | yxa | asuffield all the howtos i read says do not leave it blank. but i wanna do some scripting that does not require user input |
| 13:32.32 | tonsofpcs | i'm off to work, be back later, will be idling, if you have any ideas/finds, feel free to post in channel, /msg, or memo me :) thanks for your help thusfar :) |
| 13:32.45 | asuffield | yxa: any muppet can write a howto. doesn't mean they aren't a muppet |
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| 13:32.49 | yxa | asuffield does it make it totally hackable or something? |
| 13:32.56 | fireba11 | yxa: u need to leave passphrase blank for scripting .. jsut take care noone can copy the keyfile |
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| 13:33.22 | dogwater | does anyone know why this server wont boot up with the 2.6 smp kernel (the .deb) ? but it boots fine off of the default i386 kernel |
| 13:33.23 | asuffield | yxa: the passphrase just encrypts the private key, nothing more. if you don't have one then the key isn't encrypted, so anybody who can access it can use it |
| 13:33.37 | joale | debhelper, fuck you. |
| 13:33.39 | asuffield | yxa: realistically, it doesn't add much by way of security |
| 13:34.01 | asuffield | anybody who can read the key can probably install a key logger |
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| 13:34.08 | fireba11 | yxa: just did set it up like this for a backupscript |
| 13:34.24 | fireba11 | urks |
| 13:34.28 | joale | tonsofpcs, know what, i just f debhelper, and it does not respond. |
| 13:34.44 | Ronin | joale: thats cause its smarted thenyour average irc user |
| 13:34.52 | Guerin | joale: debheper is a bot, you stupid twat |
| 13:34.53 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 13:35.03 | yxa | asuffield i see. guess i'll do just that. thanks |
| 13:35.14 | joale | Guerin, don't be a gremlin. |
| 13:35.16 | horror_vacui | dogwater: initrd in lilo/grub, but you haven't built one? |
| 13:35.16 | Guerin | so definitely several orders of magnitude smarter than your average #debian inhabitant |
| 13:35.26 | fireba11 | Ronin, Guerin: joale probably fild the turing test ... |
| 13:35.29 | fireba11 | failed |
| 13:35.54 | horror_vacui | Guerin: I happened to admire debhelper's intelligence many a time. And the two of us had some quite refreshing debates. |
| 13:35.58 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: sorry if you ask 6 hours later, i might help you. now i'm busy |
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| 13:37.23 | joale | Guerin, Ronin, fireball, tarzeau, Jethro: Since debhelper can't respond, then I have no choice but to FUCK you all. |
| 13:37.39 | horror_vacui | joale: I feel left out. |
| 13:37.40 | fireba11 | uhh .. now i'm scared .. |
| 13:37.44 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 13:38.00 | Ronin | and its only going to get worse now that schools back too |
| 13:38.01 | horror_vacui | What kind of loser is that anyway? |
| 13:38.08 | Guerin | man |
| 13:38.32 | Guerin | Phated: keep your fellow countrymorons in line, willya :) |
| 13:38.44 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 13:38.45 | Phated | Feh. |
| 13:38.46 | Zugschlus | yxa: the sshd man page tells you about some ways to restrict a ssh key to be only useable when invoked from a certain IP, or to restrict an ssh-key to be only useable to invoke a single, pre-specified command |
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| 13:38.54 | Phated | Who? |
| 13:39.09 | Phated | Ah. |
| 13:39.15 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: i was told that's not 100% secure though |
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| 13:39.32 | Guerin | well |
| 13:39.47 | Guerin | if they can read the key in the first place, they can almost certainly have their way with your box |
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| 13:39.59 | Guerin | so really, there ain't e hell of a lot of mitigation there |
| 13:40.01 | fireba11 | yxa: or you can use rssh to limit access :-) |
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| 13:40.27 | Guerin | fireba11: in which case they simply log in from the compromised box from which they got the key |
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| 13:40.37 | fireba11 | Guerin: guess in the end it all depends on yor level of paranoia .. |
| 13:40.42 | Zugschlus | fireba11: well, you need to compromise between features and useability |
| 13:40.45 | jethro | fireba11: how is that not secure? |
| 13:40.57 | fireba11 | Guerin: i did limit login to rsync .. so no shell for them |
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| 13:41.01 | Guerin | fireba11: right. I use it for backups between trusted and very well-secured hosts which I audit regularly |
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| 13:41.09 | fhffhqvb | !sgsmite Phated |
| 13:41.12 | fireba11 | jethro: dunno, deb-german mailinglist guy told me |
| 13:41.17 | jethro | FUD |
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| 13:42.09 | jethro | fireba11: if I were you, I'd refrain from spreading FUD. that's just my humble opinion. |
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| 13:42.23 | fireba11 | jethro: whats FUD ? |
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| 13:42.39 | rasputnik | fireba11: fear, uncertaincy and doubt |
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| 13:42.41 | horror_vacui | fireba11: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt |
| 13:42.43 | fireba11 | ah |
| 13:42.45 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 13:42.47 | b00 | nick theives |
| 13:42.47 | jethro | :) |
| 13:42.51 | b00 | f* hate them |
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| 13:42.57 | jethro | no offense meant of course |
| 13:42.59 | resiak | Guerin: What shit was joale on about ? |
| 13:42.59 | horror_vacui | fireba11: But watch out, it's patent pending microsoft |
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| 13:43.15 | fireba11 | no offense taken .. i ust thought me might want to know :-) |
| 13:43.24 | Guerin | resiak: he got pissy at debhelper for not responding to his chat |
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| 13:43.28 | resiak | Guerin: I see. |
| 13:43.39 | asuffield | I didn't know that Phated's countrymorons knew how to get out of line. the national character is quite the opposite :P |
| 13:44.05 | Guerin | asuffield: they tend to be passive-aggressive about it. All that pent-up individuality... |
| 13:45.14 | deltron | what's the app to test repository speeds? |
| 13:45.19 | deltron | for apt-get updates? |
| 13:45.23 | streuner | apt-spy |
| 13:45.28 | deltron | thanks |
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| 13:47.57 | deltron | hmm |
| 13:48.02 | deltron | i don't see it :/ |
| 13:48.14 | deltron | apt-cache search didn't find it |
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| 13:48.54 | deltron | i'm running testing |
| 13:49.05 | rasputnik | anyone know how to build a source package and specify a --configure command line? |
| 13:49.07 | streuner | !info apt-spy testing |
| 13:49.29 | deltron | !info apt-spy testing |
| 13:49.31 | streuner | !info apt-spy sid |
| 13:49.33 | dpkg | apt-spy: (writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.1-13 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 13:49.39 | deltron | hmm |
| 13:49.43 | streuner | deltron: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 13:49.45 | deltron | looks like it's not in testing anymore |
| 13:49.59 | deltron | thanks streuner :) |
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| 13:51.15 | takatumi | !info netselect-apt testing |
| 13:51.20 | dpkg | netselect-apt: (Choose the fastest Debian mirror with netselect), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.ds1-5 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 13:51.49 | takatumi | ^^ that works too. |
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| 13:58.11 | asuffield | don't tease the bsuh |
| 13:58.33 | fhffhqvb | !bunnicula fireba11 |
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| 13:59.02 | asuffield | vampire bunnies don't attack people. they just viciously suck on grass |
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| 13:59.08 | asuffield | it's the vampire carrots you've got to watch out for |
| 13:59.17 | fhffhqvb | that's what they want you to think. |
| 13:59.44 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 14:00.25 | asuffield | bunnygirls != vampire bunnies |
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| 14:02.03 | `Ku | What image will work on a thinkpad T43 |
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| 14:03.42 | Rickyx | Is volatile alive ? |
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| 14:04.10 | Guerin | Rickyx: fsvo alive |
| 14:04.12 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 14:04.12 | dpkg | i guess volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
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| 14:04.37 | Rickyx | Yeah! I am aware of that. |
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| 14:04.51 | Rickyx | But haven't seen any updates since a month. |
| 14:05.01 | abrotman | send them an email .. ask |
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| 14:05.22 | Rickyx | IIRC, packages like clamav which require daily builds were the main reason for volatile. |
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| 14:05.35 | cockroach | hi. i'm trying to do a netinstall. the client gets a DHCP reply with the correct path (/pxelinux.0) and then tries to get it TFTP ("RRQ "/pxelinux.0" - tcpdump) - it does, however, not appear to get a satisfactory response and just repeats the request a couple of times (tcpdump log at http://stefan.desire.ch/tcpdump-verbose.txt) - what's wrong there? how could i debug this? |
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| 14:05.48 | Rickyx | abrotman hehe. I thought #debian had volatile members. |
| 14:05.49 | Guerin | Rickyx: it's a new project. And it was never going to be about daily builds. |
| 14:05.51 | abrotman | Rickyx: debian-volatile and debian-volatile-announce @ lists.debian.org |
| 14:06.03 | abrotman | Rickyx: if they do .. they don't talk about it while in here .. or not that i've seen |
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| 14:06.08 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/users.html |
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| 14:06.21 | Rickyx | Guerin Yes, volatile wasn't. but some packages were proposed such (clamav) |
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| 14:06.37 | asuffield | daily builds of clamav wouldn't be very sensible |
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| 14:06.41 | theD3viL | how to save alsamixer volume? |
| 14:06.41 | Guerin | Rickyx: yeah. Mailing lists are where it's at. |
| 14:06.45 | rasputnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.28 | asuffield | cockroach: are you using tftpd-hpa? |
| 14:07.30 | Guerin | theD3viL: should do it automatically on shutdown |
| 14:07.32 | cockroach | asuffield: yes |
| 14:07.54 | asuffield | cockroach: install tftp-hpa, and try using it to retrieve /pxelinux.0 from the server by hand |
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| 14:08.03 | asuffield | see if that much works |
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| 14:08.23 | Rickyx | Anyway, Debian (testing + unstable + experimental) has been enough for most of my needs. :-) It really is a great work done jointly by people. |
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| 14:08.49 | cockroach | asuffield: works |
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| 14:09.03 | asuffield | that rules out most of the common errors then |
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| 14:09.33 | asuffield | cockroach: instead of a tcpdump log, use tcpdump -w and provide that file. I need to take a look inside that packet |
| 14:09.46 | bowman | app request :) anyone know of a slim web-based project managment and changelog suite, possibly php/mysql-based? egroupware and phpgroupware appear to be huge systems, I need a slim one |
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| 14:09.53 | theD3viL | Guerin, i reboot it but volume wasnt save |
| 14:09.59 | cockroach | asuffield: okay |
| 14:10.01 | bowman | s/managment/management/g |
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| 14:10.34 | Sabator | hey, can anyone remind me where the Xfree config file is? |
| 14:10.50 | asuffield | Sabator: there's like a squillion of them, in /etc/X11 |
| 14:10.56 | Sabator | thanks |
| 14:11.14 | Sabator | I'm sitting here with 800X600 and a US keyboard setup -_- |
| 14:11.23 | fireba11 | hehe |
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| 14:11.30 | asuffield | then you probably want the server config file |
| 14:11.35 | antgel | bowman: slim and suite appear to be incompatible |
| 14:11.36 | asuffield | that's XF86Config-4 or so |
| 14:11.39 | Daffy-PKF | i was using an app called glfps to qee the fps in games using opengl, but i can't find it anymore, does someone knows it? |
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| 14:11.45 | antgel | !tell Sabator about drxx |
| 14:11.52 | Daffy-PKF | s/qee/see |
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| 14:11.56 | bowman | antgel: suite might have been the wrong word :-) |
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| 14:12.14 | cockroach | asuffield: okay, it's now on http://stefan.desire.ch/tcpdump.out |
| 14:12.15 | Sabator | I'd rather edit them by hand |
| 14:12.20 | Sabator | I know what I'm doing that way |
| 14:12.28 | Sabator | that's how I did it on my old ubuntu system |
| 14:12.29 | antgel | Sabator: more power to your elbow |
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| 14:13.19 | asuffield | cockroach: server's clearly fucked, it's sending a bullshit reply. did you start out with tftpd and then change to tftpd-hpa or something? |
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| 14:13.52 | Sabator | hmmm...was "xkblayout" set to "uk" or "gb" for british keyboards? I forgot all this stuff, hehe. |
| 14:14.13 | cockroach | asuffield: yes, i did... |
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| 14:14.44 | black_13 | i am having problems with subversion: http://pastebin.com/356095 |
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| 14:14.49 | asuffield | cockroach: are you *sure* that you're not still running an old instance of tftpd? probably worth shutting down inetd entirely and making sure every tftpd process is dead, and the tftpd package is purged |
| 14:14.52 | Rambo3 | i deleted /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 when trying to fix synaptics driver. so now i cant get dpkg-reconfigure to create new XF86Config-4. is there a way to fix this? |
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| 14:15.17 | cockroach | asuffield: heh, that would be a rather stupid issue :) - i'll try |
| 14:15.18 | WhiteRabbit | Kamping_Kaiser, just give it a line of coke with fizz even |
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| 14:15.51 | antgel | Rambo3: extract the file from the package |
| 14:15.52 | takatumi | Rambo3: try running dexconf |
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| 14:16.05 | asuffield | cockroach: dissecting the packets with ethereal shows what's going on clearly enough - the client sends "request pxelinux.0, option blksize 1456". the response from the server is just "option acknowledged". it's supposed to be sending a file |
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| 14:16.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | WhiteRabbit: ah that must be what i missed :) |
| 14:16.14 | pedrolito59 | hi |
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| 14:16.36 | pedrolito59 | how to execute a command in a program written in C |
| 14:16.38 | pedrolito59 | ? |
| 14:16.44 | resiak | pedrolito59: #c |
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| 14:17.15 | pedrolito59 | for instance, I want to execute : "./cmd ls -l" |
| 14:17.29 | pedrolito59 | what do I have to write in cmd.c |
| 14:17.30 | resiak | pedrolito59: This is a question for #c |
| 14:17.36 | pedrolito59 | ok thanks |
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| 14:18.26 | yxa | what file does ssh look for in .ssh when i want to use key pair auth? |
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| 14:18.38 | Rawplaye1 | known_hosts? |
| 14:19.22 | yxa | i created my keypair in my remote system, id_rsa and id_rsa.pub and i've copied id_rsa.pub to local now |
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| 14:19.31 | jethro | yxa: .ssh/id_{r,d}sa by default, you can supply one fwith -i |
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| 14:19.42 | CaT[tm] | yxa: you want your public key in the authorized_keys file on the remote host. |
| 14:19.46 | cockroach | asuffield: i'm now sure that tftpd-hpa is used but it still doesn't work. unfortunately i have to go - i might be back bothering you some more later tonight :) |
| 14:19.52 | jethro | yxa: you want the .pub on the remote host, and being the content of .ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 14:20.44 | yxa | so i need to get the private key instead from my remote host? |
| 14:20.57 | jethro | yxa: the private key has to be on the client machine |
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| 14:21.06 | yxa | *boggles* |
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| 14:21.18 | Yoe | yxa: private keys can be compromised; public keys can not |
| 14:21.29 | CaT[tm] | yxa: the private key is used to decrypt. you do not want that out of your box. |
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| 14:21.40 | jethro | yxa: boh can be, though only the private key is of any interest |
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| 14:21.42 | Yoe | yxa: so you want to make sure as little people as possible can touch your private key -- and /if/ they touch it, that you can yank it easily |
| 14:21.50 | jethro | s/bo/bot/ |
| 14:22.19 | otroean | What proxy do you recommend. just a simple http proxy... |
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| 14:22.31 | Yoe | otroean: what do you want to do with it? |
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| 14:23.08 | otroean | I going to use it at work to lower internett line usage... |
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| 14:23.22 | jethro | otroean: squid is fine |
| 14:23.24 | CaT[tm] | otroean: squid works. |
| 14:23.43 | Yoe | otroean: there's no 'simple' proxy that will do what you want, but as people say, squid does the job |
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| 14:24.03 | Yoe | the config file is well commented, though, so if you have an hour to read through it and make decisions, it should be a charm to get it set up. |
| 14:24.07 | otroean | ok. thnx |
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| 14:24.41 | Yoe | note that though the thing will work out of the box, you still will want to check the config, |
| 14:24.56 | Yoe | since by default it's set up to increase speed, rather than decrease line usage |
| 14:25.08 | Yoe | which is different from what you're looking for. |
| 14:25.14 | yxa | jethro so actually keypair generation should be kept to client side so that the private key does not go over the wire |
| 14:25.21 | Yoe | yxa: exactly |
| 14:25.44 | jethro | yxa: yes |
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| 14:26.45 | honschu | How to create a bootdisk? |
| 14:26.54 | honschu | make bzdisk? Is there a debian-way? |
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| 14:27.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | isnt the network installer supposed to give a choice of kernel? |
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| 14:28.11 | Guerin | !why exim4 is <reply> see http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 14:28.12 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 14:28.30 | asuffield | cockroach: actually, now that I compare to a host I just booted, it's the client that's not responding correctly |
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| 14:29.23 | Guerin | Kamping_Kaiser: you get a choice at boot, then another choice at install |
| 14:29.25 | petemc | !peterS++ |
| 14:29.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. i didnt get the second one. |
| 14:29.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | could be because i launed in debug mode :S |
| 14:29.53 | resiak | !peterS++ |
| 14:29.56 | Faithful | Kamping_Kaiser: Yes that is an interesting phenomenon... sometimes you get it sometimes you don't... I think it is based on whether the apt sources have the netboot kernel in the dist files or not... if not you get a choice |
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| 14:30.07 | honschu | Hi, How to create a bootdisk? make bzdisk? Is there a debian way? |
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| 14:30.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | Faithful: oh ok. because i was sure i had the option in the past. *kicks 2.4 kernel* |
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| 14:31.02 | Faithful | Kamping_Kaiser: so if your netboot has some obscure kernel you will get a choice... |
| 14:31.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. ok. thanks Faithful |
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| 14:31.25 | Faithful | Kamping_Kaiser: but who cares??? Just install a new kernel... |
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| 14:31.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | Faithful: i have to download it, i care ;) |
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| 14:32.02 | Faithful | Kamping_Kaiser: after you are done and before you reboot... go into another vt |
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| 14:32.26 | Faithful | and apt-get the kernel of your choice |
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| 14:32.51 | debian707 | hi any one knows if is posible to install debian by boot network install? |
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| 14:33.06 | Syph0n | debian707: sure it's possible |
| 14:33.08 | Faithful | debian707: Yes of course |
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| 14:33.28 | Faithful | debian707: it's the only way to fly |
| 14:33.30 | debian707 | Syph0n do u have the link to do that if posible? |
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| 14:33.42 | theD3viL | what i must instsall for apollon ? |
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| 14:33.48 | Syph0n | debian707" search for tftpboot |
| 14:33.49 | debian707 | Faithful :D |
| 14:34.00 | debian707 | Syph0n ok |
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| 14:34.06 | DaDave | hia ll |
| 14:34.31 | ster | hello, would anybody be so kind to help me to set up my internet connection |
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| 14:34.45 | DaDave | under windows xp you can tell that a user (with an initial empty password) should be prompted to change his password at the first logon. is somtehing like this possible under linux? |
| 14:34.51 | ster | on the command line if possible |
| 14:34.51 | Faithful | ster: are you not connected now |
| 14:35.06 | ster | now, this is another computer |
| 14:35.18 | ster | *no |
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| 14:35.25 | Faithful | ster: pppconfig |
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| 14:35.40 | Syph0n | ster: xdsl or cable? |
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| 14:35.48 | ster | yes, I've seen that, but I don't know what to fill in there |
| 14:35.59 | ster | cable |
| 14:36.14 | Faithful | cable // pass |
| 14:36.15 | Syph0n | ster: pppconfig is for dial-up connections |
| 14:36.17 | shingouz | ster: connected to a ethernet? |
| 14:36.26 | Guerin | DaDave: dunno if there's an automatic way, but it'd be trivial to run a script on first login which runs passwd and deletes itself on success |
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| 14:36.27 | shingouz | ster: man interfaces |
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| 14:36.45 | Syph0n | ster: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:37.02 | Syph0n | ster: what's in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:37.11 | Faithful | anyone got a sony ericson phone working as a modem? |
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| 14:37.33 | DaDave | Guerin: okay, as i suggested. i jopped there is some sort of configuration tool whcih automates such things. |
| 14:37.37 | shingouz | Faithful: and you have what kind of a problem with it? |
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| 14:37.47 | ster | Suph0n, looking |
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| 14:38.07 | Guerin | DaDave: there might be, but I don't know of one. |
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| 14:38.49 | Faithful | I have it 90% there ... it just fails after it establishes the connection and the output of pppd is not sufficient for me to debug it |
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| 14:39.13 | DaDave | Guerin: okay, tahnks so far. |
| 14:39.20 | ircdevil | dfdf |
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| 14:39.35 | shingouz | Faithful: with that information the only thing i can say is to reconfigure it |
| 14:39.47 | DaDave | Where do i have to set the IRQ and DMA settings for an alsa cotrolled sound card? i don't understand the new modutils thing... |
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| 14:40.01 | ster | shingouz: what do I need to look for on that man page? |
| 14:40.12 | Guerin | DaDave: use alsaconf or probe the modules manually |
| 14:40.13 | shingouz | ster: man interfaces |
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| 14:40.26 | shingouz | ster: man man helps in the beginning |
| 14:40.26 | Faithful | shingouz: but you have never used a mobile phone as a modem connected by usb? |
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| 14:40.39 | shingouz | Faithful: yes i have. and? |
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| 14:41.09 | DaDave | Guerin: which package contains alsaconf? |
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| 14:41.31 | streuner | alsa-utils |
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| 14:42.00 | streuner | !tell DaDave about search |
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| 14:42.40 | DaDave | streuner: thanks |
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| 14:43.05 | Faithful | shingouz: Well I thought someone might have a helpful suggestion in debugging pppd ... it is configure correctly according to all the docs I have read... the only thing that could be adrift is that some models (with my service provider) need to enter any 2 letters as a password but no username |
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| 14:43.55 | shingouz | Faithful: a simple fact is that if pppd dies just after the connection has been made, it is not configured correctly. been there and have the scars to prove it |
| 14:44.14 | ster | shingouz: /etc/network/interfaces contains: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 14:45.12 | shingouz | ster: it would be helpful if you could provide some information on what is going on there. can you connect at all? any pings? |
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| 14:45.21 | ster | nope |
| 14:45.30 | ster | I can't get an ip |
| 14:45.31 | xiahousj | ? |
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| 14:45.44 | shingouz | ster: do you have a dhcp server somewhere? |
| 14:45.52 | hmakholm | xiahousj: ! |
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| 14:45.56 | Guerin | ster: dhclient eth0; does what? |
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| 14:46.49 | ster | Guerin: bash: dhc: command not found |
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| 14:46.56 | Faithful | shingouz: another thing of interest (probably unrelated)... the previous model to mine... the service provider has a batch file on the website which seems to dial both modems in the phone... perhaps doing some sort of channel bundle |
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| 14:47.16 | hmakholm | ster: No, it's "DHCLIENT", but lovercase. Not a pipe. |
| 14:47.20 | Faithful | shingouz: but will they lift a finger to linux users in support.... no |
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| 14:47.32 | horror_vacui | ster: That's dhclient. |
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| 14:47.33 | Guerin | ster: try again, actually typing what i told you to, this time. |
| 14:47.44 | shingouz | Faithful: i have no idea what you are talking about. i do not know if you are using gprs, a plain data connection, what type of a phone you have... i am completely in the dark |
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| 14:48.22 | ster | shingouz: my ISP provides my dhcp |
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| 14:48.37 | ster | shingouz: no routers, no firewall |
| 14:48.38 | Guerin | ster: so what happens when you do the command above, eh? |
| 14:48.43 | horror_vacui | ster: Yes, your ISP provides dhcp, and you have to get it. |
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| 14:48.49 | debian707 | to boot from network, do i need i flopy disk? cause i dont have flopy drive and no cdrom.. |
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| 14:49.00 | Morti | Which is better - xdm or wdm? |
| 14:49.11 | Guerin | !better |
| 14:49.11 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 14:49.12 | tarzeau | Morti: both are fine, i like wdm better |
| 14:49.17 | hmakholm | debian707: You do need _some_ way of tickling the machine into running an installer. |
| 14:49.28 | ster | Guerin: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping |
| 14:49.34 | Morti | More easily configurable, then. ;) |
| 14:49.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: but you're a freak .. we've covered this |
| 14:49.35 | hmakholm | debian707: What does the machine run currently? |
| 14:49.36 | Morti | tarzeau: Cheers. |
| 14:49.43 | Guerin | ster: contact your isp and tell them you can't get an ip. |
| 14:49.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: huh? |
| 14:49.51 | debian707 | hmakholm it has windows |
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| 14:50.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't you deny it! .. next you'll be telling everyone that you're not swiss! |
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| 14:50.06 | horror_vacui | ster: Everything hooked up properly? Try out whether mii-tool tells you you have a link |
| 14:50.14 | hmakholm | debian707: Perhaps you can get it to boot from an USB stick. There is a HOWTO somewhere IIRC. |
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| 14:50.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: i ain't |
| 14:50.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: you left -ot? |
| 14:50.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: i left like everything |
| 14:50.30 | shingouz | !rube goldberg install |
| 14:50.30 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 14:50.35 | horror_vacui | ster: Also try out ipconfig -a - that should list all interfaces, configured or not. If you don't have an eth0 device there, you're probably missing a module. |
| 14:50.42 | debian707 | hmakholm if i take the hard disk and i put inside debian u think i can boot from hd? |
| 14:50.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i'm doing very strange things, that i'd have never imagined to do before (don't ask) |
| 14:51.08 | ster | horror_vacui: eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 14:51.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you involving yourself with animals? |
| 14:51.13 | shingouz | tarzeau: what does make you think we want to know? :p |
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| 14:51.20 | hmakholm | debian707: That might be a way of proceeding. Note that you'd void your warranty ;-) |
| 14:51.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: this is ugly! no |
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| 14:51.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: you sohuld do like shingouz and get some woman to keep you |
| 14:51.40 | shingouz | :$ |
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| 14:51.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're doing ugly things/people/animals? |
| 14:51.49 | horror_vacui | ster: That's nice. You tried out dhclient, right? Also try dhcpcd and pump (if available on your system) |
| 14:51.52 | debian707 | hmakholm i try then, so i put the network installer inside the hd? |
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| 14:52.00 | debian707 | only that? |
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| 14:52.53 | ster | horror_vacui: sorry, I'm real noob, can you explain please? |
| 14:52.55 | hmakholm | debian707: I'm not too current on how to tweak the new installer. Do you have a machine already running Linux that you can move your disk to for preparation? |
| 14:53.00 | horror_vacui | ster: But whoever was it that said that you should call your ISP and say you can't obtain a lease is probably right. It just seems as if everything is ok with your system, and ISP is the problem |
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| 14:53.32 | ster | but this computer is on the same line |
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| 14:53.44 | debian707 | hmakholm it has windows |
| 14:53.49 | horror_vacui | ster: Besides "dhclient" as dhcp client utility, there are others. dhcpcd and pump are two of them. Try typig "dhcpcd eth0" and "pump eth0". |
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| 14:54.24 | hmakholm | debian707: Trouble is, what you need to do is to write to the disk in ways that Windows probably cannot be convinced to do. |
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| 14:55.13 | hmakholm | debian707: How did you get Windows into the box in the first place? |
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| 14:55.22 | ster | horror_vacui: the other two commands where not found |
| 14:55.39 | debian707 | hmakholm i buy the machine in ebay and it has windows pass |
| 14:55.46 | debian707 | i dont have it |
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| 14:56.15 | Syph0n | ster: apt-get install pump |
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| 14:56.17 | horror_vacui | ster: Crap. Well, do you remember the address you were getting previously via dhcp? You could try configuring this address manually to check the network path to your ISP |
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| 14:56.28 | Syph0n | ster: then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 14:56.44 | ster | horror°vacui: done |
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| 14:57.01 | caphuso | andydavid: stop |
| 14:57.02 | hmakholm | debian707: Hm. If I were you I would ... well if I were you I would just take out the disk and connect it to one of my other machines for bootstrapping. But if you have no other machine, I would go to the nearest computer store and buy a floppy drive. |
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| 14:57.15 | andydavid | what? |
| 14:57.18 | Syph0n | anydavid: stop spamming |
| 14:57.23 | ster | horror_vacui: the that address I don't know |
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| 14:57.27 | caphuso | andydavid: spamming the channel with your crap |
| 14:57.37 | andydavid | yes |
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| 14:58.14 | Syph0n | anydavid: /part #debian and /join #ubuntu |
| 14:58.17 | debian707 | hmakholm u mean i can install debian from another mahine and then put it back into the laptop? |
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| 14:58.39 | Syph0n | ghegheghe |
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| 14:58.52 | caphuso | haha |
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| 14:58.56 | debian707 | hmakholm or usb floppy drive can work for boot? |
| 14:58.56 | ster | Syph0n: done |
| 14:58.56 | m2 | debian707: you mean taking the hard disk out, installing, and putting it back in? |
| 14:59.00 | caphuso | Syph0n: good work :) |
| 14:59.01 | m2 | debian707: sure, that works. |
| 14:59.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: i said strange, not ugly |
| 14:59.21 | debian707 | m2 yes but in a diferent machine |
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| 14:59.25 | hmakholm | debian707: An USB floppy should give you decent chances. It does not _always_ work, but decent. |
| 14:59.27 | Syph0n | next time I'll try rm -rf / ;) |
| 14:59.33 | tarzeau | shingouz: nothing. |
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| 14:59.41 | ster | Syph0n: when I ping google the host is still unknown |
| 14:59.52 | Syph0n | did you get an ip? |
| 15:00.08 | Syph0n | ster: ip a |
| 15:00.13 | m2 | debian707: yes, that works |
| 15:00.24 | debian707 | m2 i try then :) |
| 15:00.35 | ster | Syph0n : still no ip^ |
| 15:00.48 | bipolar | Does anyone have any recomendations for selecting VPN software? I need to connect windows and linux laptops in the field. |
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| 15:01.03 | yxa | bipolar openvpn? |
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| 15:01.50 | whitehorse1 | !dpkg tell whitehorse1 about Ati |
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| 15:02.09 | Syph0n | ster: what is the output of pump eth0 ? |
| 15:02.16 | Blissex | bipolar: problem is the MS Windows stuff, and for that you may want something MS Windowsy. |
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| 15:02.43 | ster | Syph0n: commqnd not found |
| 15:02.48 | hmakholm | whitehorse1: Please /msg dpkg instead of using the channel |
| 15:02.49 | Blissex | bipolar: and that largely means PPTP or IPsec. PPTP is simple but not awesome, IPsec is good but very annoying to setup. |
| 15:02.56 | Vibes | Have I to "make dep" after "make menuconfig" if I want to compile kernel with "make-kpkg kernel_image" ? |
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| 15:03.07 | nvz | whitehorse1: first of all if you want to know something /msg dpkg ati, second using the bots trigger and name is not nessicary in the channel one or the other is fine. and last if you _must_ tell someone something use -about prevents you from also hearing about it |
| 15:03.08 | Syph0n | ster: huh? you did apt-get it right? |
| 15:03.12 | m2 | Vibes: nope |
| 15:03.12 | bipolar | yxa, thanks. I'll look into that. |
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| 15:03.35 | bipolar | Blissex, I've been reading openswan docs. It does look annoying. |
| 15:03.53 | tarzeau | someone using opencubicplayer, or wants to try it? (you'll need sid) |
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| 15:04.07 | ster | Syph0n: apparently not, he can't get the packages |
| 15:04.21 | nvz | you tried to get me to test that opencubicplayer and I never did |
| 15:04.24 | Syph0n | ster: crap, chicken and egg problem |
| 15:04.38 | Blissex | bipolar: if you can ask people to install non MS Windows sw you have some other choices though. But PPTP and IPsec support is basically built into MS Windows. |
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| 15:04.48 | tarzeau | nvz: why not? i've updated it to be the latest now |
| 15:04.51 | ster | Syph0n: lol, indeed |
| 15:04.55 | tarzeau | nvz: it's a fantastic any music file player |
| 15:04.57 | Vibes | m2: I don't undersand so: I copy /boot/config-xxx into /usr/src/kernel-source-xxx/.config, then I make-kpkg clean and make-kpkg kernel_image but when I reboot complaining about missing modules.dep :x |
| 15:05.04 | nvz | tarzeau: so. |
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| 15:05.14 | tarzeau | nvz: you don't ever play any music files? |
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| 15:06.02 | nvz | tarzeau: I dont have a sid box anyhow. all my boxes are soon to be serving a purpose in my openmosix cluster / synergy workstation. I cant have a horribly broken sid right now |
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| 15:06.41 | Syph0n | ster: search for the package and burn it to a cdrw |
| 15:06.43 | ma3x | how do i find out the mx records of a site? |
| 15:06.48 | aliumalik | does the oo2beta package in experimental come with kde plugin or not? |
| 15:06.48 | tarzeau | nvz: what are you calculating? |
| 15:06.48 | m2 | Vibes: isn't modules.dep a bit last century? :-) |
| 15:06.51 | Syph0n | ster: then install it with dpkg -i |
| 15:06.52 | m2 | Vibes: which kernel, 2.6? |
| 15:06.56 | nvz | tarzeau: calculating? |
| 15:07.00 | tarzeau | nvz: i've only heard of openmosix but not synergy |
| 15:07.05 | tarzeau | or running, processing, whatever |
| 15:07.13 | Syph0n | ster: packages.debian.org |
| 15:07.20 | ster | Syph0n: k |
| 15:07.22 | Vibes | m2: 2.4.18 from woody (cant upgrade this production server atm) |
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| 15:07.37 | tarzeau | ma3x: host -t mx some.site |
| 15:07.40 | nvz | tarzeau: nothing I just want a 3 headed supercomputer to use.. and all I got is 3 shitty old pcs with onboard video |
| 15:08.00 | ma3x | thanks a lot tarzeau |
| 15:08.08 | m2 | Vibes: hmm... I think make-kpkg takes care of that, I'm pretty sure in fact. |
| 15:08.09 | nvz | tarzeau: openmosix makes them a supercomputer, synergy makes it one workstation. allows me to use one keyboard and mouse to controll all 3 |
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| 15:08.25 | m2 | Vibes: did you try running depmod as root when running the new kernel? |
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| 15:08.45 | m2 | Vibes: or running depmod x.y.z from the old one? |
| 15:08.58 | tarzeau | nvz: ah nice. i've only known of x2x |
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| 15:09.07 | Vibes | m2: that's what i read too but errors are here :) I can't boot with new kernel :x |
| 15:09.08 | Althaser | Inbound IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=***.***.***.*** DST=***.***.***.*** LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=123 ID=31145 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=4121 DPT=445 WINDOW=30000 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 how can i disable it ? please |
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| 15:09.32 | Vibes | m2: i'll try depmod from old one |
| 15:09.35 | tarzeau | i wonder if someone's used more than one keyboard on one computer (independantly of each other) ps/2 and usb, with two mice and two displays and two x sessions |
| 15:09.42 | tarzeau | i heard it's possible with 2.6 linux kernels |
| 15:10.09 | snail | tarzeau: every laptop with the docking station |
| 15:10.15 | streuner | !listauth jm_ |
| 15:10.16 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'jm_' (15 of 31): apt-file ;; big fonts ;; filesystem benchmark ;; glide3 ;; links ;; package reselect ;; ryfs ;; shell beep ;; torcs ;; use google ;; vcrstream ;; xf42 ;; xf42 woody ;; xf43 woody ;; xfree86 windows. |
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| 15:10.45 | tarzeau | snail: you know i want less computers in one room... (and no, not laptops) |
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| 15:11.16 | ster | shingouz, horror_vacui and Syph0n, thanks very much for your help |
| 15:11.18 | Yoe | tarzeau: I've heard about people setting up as much as eight users on one system |
| 15:11.18 | ster | bye |
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| 15:11.25 | Yoe | s/heard/read/ |
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| 15:11.29 | lindo | HOLA |
| 15:11.35 | Yoe | don't remember where exactly I did, though. |
| 15:11.45 | tarzeau | Yoe: i'll look for it, thank you |
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| 15:12.28 | lindo | COMO ESTAN |
| 15:12.33 | tarzeau | !es |
| 15:12.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:12.39 | streuner | Althaser: /msg dpkg syslog console |
| 15:12.52 | nvz | tarzeau: I've never heard of x2x. and asg just told me about openmosix yesturday. I am still working out synergy issues. like how to make the clients start their xservers and their synergy clients when I login and start the xserver and synergy server. |
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| 15:13.39 | nvz | tarzeau: I also need to work out a good tunneling method so that when I connect all channels like synergy, and whatever other services I need to make it function properly like filesharing..etc are encrypted |
| 15:14.00 | Yoe | nvz: have you tried IPsec? |
| 15:14.13 | tarzeau | nvz: i've found shfs to have some funny quirks |
| 15:14.14 | Yoe | that will simply encrypt /all/ traffice between two hosts |
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| 15:14.48 | bipolar | tarzeau, nvz: x2x is awesome. I havn't used it in a while though. I do remember that I could fire it up with one command that ran over ssh X forwarding. |
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| 15:15.23 | nvz | Yoe: nope I've only played around with ssh. I think ipsec may be a bit complex for this. the encryption is only a second layer. the one box is my network bridge with a transparent firewall, and the rest of the workstation boxes sit behind that. |
| 15:15.39 | Yoe | nvz: so? |
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| 15:15.54 | ma3x | hello, how can i use my isp's smtp server to send out email? |
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| 15:16.04 | Yoe | nvz: if you don't need VPN-style stuff, then IPsec is way easier to set up than SSH kludges |
| 15:16.07 | nvz | tarzeau: I am using samba right now |
| 15:16.10 | hmakholm | ma3x: Which MTA do you use? |
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| 15:16.26 | ma3x | i mean, i already have smtp yahoo, but i don't want to connect directly to yahoo, because i have advertisement on the end of the message |
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| 15:16.28 | ma3x | hmakholm, postfix i think |
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| 15:16.36 | ma3x | hmakholm, but in kmail there is sendmail only |
| 15:16.37 | whitehorse1 | ma3x: use ab email program like kmail or mozilla thunderbird if you want a very easy route? |
| 15:16.38 | cmihai | I'd better ask billy why windows vita reports itself as windows 2000 :) |
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| 15:16.39 | nvz | Yoe: I'll give it a look. I need to build some kernels anyhow to apply the openmosix patches |
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| 15:16.44 | Yoe | nvz: you can set the keys manually in the IPsec policy database, and it will transparently encrypt everything between two hosts |
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| 15:16.46 | ma3x | whitehorse1, i am using kmail |
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| 15:16.56 | sniper- | hi |
| 15:17.05 | Yoe | nvz: it's documented in the Linux Advanced Routing and Traffic Control HOWTO, at http://lartc.org/ |
| 15:17.06 | hmakholm | ma3x: Every MTA in Debian installs a send-mail program as /usr/sbin/sendmail. Even postfix. |
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| 15:17.25 | ma3x | hmakholm, ok ... |
| 15:17.26 | nvz | Yoe: ok. |
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| 15:17.34 | sandwitch | hello |
| 15:17.49 | ma3x | hmakholm, now i edited /etc/postfix with my isp's mail hostname |
| 15:17.49 | sniper- | i have a problem. before everything was fine. but now don't boot the system. appears a message that says grep and frozen :s |
| 15:17.50 | nvz | I think I should make the bridge my synergy server as well.. right now my synergy server is on another box |
| 15:18.03 | ma3x | hmakholm, but still some providers won't accept my email |
| 15:18.08 | illsci | hey tarzeau |
| 15:18.22 | ma3x | hmakholm, they return it after 3 days saying access denied or something like that .... |
| 15:18.23 | illsci | i have everything setup but what do i do with the kernel dir on your site |
| 15:18.24 | illsci | ... |
| 15:18.30 | sniper- | is a filesystem damage? |
| 15:18.41 | tarzeau | illsci: nothing, can you network boot the machinetobeinstalled (client)? |
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| 15:18.45 | nvz | I want to pretty much be able to use just one pc, but have the others automatically discovered and used as additional heads and CPU power when they are turned on |
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| 15:18.49 | tarzeau | illsci: and tell it to boot from the network? |
| 15:18.52 | hmakholm | ma3x: I'll try looking at some manpages. Stand by. |
| 15:18.55 | illsci | uhmmm ok |
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| 15:19.10 | illsci | so .... what network would i point it to |
| 15:19.10 | sniper- | can anybody help me? |
| 15:19.18 | tarzeau | illsci: you can gunzip the initrd.gz and loopback mount it to do your own version. it fetches my kernel 2.4.31 from gnu.ethz.ch |
| 15:19.27 | illsci | ok |
| 15:19.31 | tarzeau | illsci: because 2.4.27 doesn't support the newer nvidia nforce nics |
| 15:19.43 | nvz | most of the time I dont reall need all 3 running but it will be really helpful for learning, experimenting, and showing off :P |
| 15:19.44 | tarzeau | illsci: look at the example dhcpd.conf |
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| 15:19.56 | illsci | i have all of your /etc/ stuff and pxe tftp stuff setup |
| 15:20.03 | illsci | when i reboot and pxe boot |
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| 15:20.12 | ma3x | hmakholm, ok, just one little question in meantime. My isp says use outgoing server smtpauth.bluewin.ch, and i tried using mx.bluewin.ch. Is that a mistake? |
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| 15:20.15 | ma3x | smtpauth.bluewin.ch = cname for it |
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| 15:20.20 | tarzeau | illsci: use it then. i'll be in zurich now, the weather is beautiful |
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| 15:20.34 | tarzeau | ma3x: hah you're .ch too :) |
| 15:20.36 | illsci | im not sure how it would know to go out over the internet |
| 15:20.38 | illsci | to get all this stuff |
| 15:20.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes it can be |
| 15:20.44 | illsci | wouldnt it have to be on my local net |
| 15:20.45 | illsci | ? |
| 15:20.52 | tarzeau | ma3x: outgoing and recieving don't have to be the same |
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| 15:21.00 | tarzeau | ma3x: and pop3, and imap can be different too :) |
| 15:21.00 | ma3x | hi tarzeau |
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| 15:21.14 | nvz | I am finally gathering some interested people who may be able to help make an impact on the community when my Lug takes off.. so comming up with new and interesting ways to use junk pcs is really important right now |
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| 15:21.18 | tarzeau | illsci: you don't have a gateway out to the internet? |
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| 15:21.25 | illsci | sure |
| 15:21.31 | illsci | but where is it configured to do that |
| 15:21.35 | illsci | in side the initrd.gz |
| 15:21.36 | illsci | ? |
| 15:21.40 | tarzeau | illsci: then it'll fetch it from there, you can reconfigure it to fetch it from your own http server |
| 15:21.47 | tarzeau | illsci: yes. inside there |
| 15:21.51 | ma3x | tarzeau, i know. But do I really have to use smtpauth.bluewin.ch, or can i use mx.bluewin.ch ? |
| 15:21.51 | illsci | ok ... |
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| 15:22.00 | tarzeau | ma3x: you can use localhost |
| 15:22.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: try, telnet mx.bluewin.ch 25 |
| 15:22.09 | hmakholm | ma3x: Change the default_transport parameter in /etc/postfix/main.cf to "smtp:smtpauth.bluewin.ch" and see if that works (after restarting, of course). |
| 15:22.11 | abrotman | dpkg: hire me |
| 15:22.14 | abrotman | doh |
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| 15:22.19 | abrotman | stupid bot! |
| 15:22.24 | abrotman | and stupid user! |
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| 15:22.36 | tarzeau | ma3x: same thing: smtpauth.bluewin.ch is an alias for mx.bluewin.ch. |
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| 15:22.54 | illsci | abrotman what do you do |
| 15:22.54 | hmakholm | ma3x: If the names are cnamed to each other they will work identically _for now_. But if your ISP changes its setup it may not stay that way. |
| 15:23.08 | abrotman | illsci: admin |
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| 15:23.15 | illsci | email me your resume |
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| 15:23.28 | ma3x | hey tarzeau after I telnet, ctrl+c won't work. How do i abort the telnet session? |
| 15:23.30 | nvz | my bridge w/ transparent firewall and fileserver I got off the constable who left the damn thing sitting out in the rain... when people see me taking their soggy old trash and turning it into servers and supercomputers LeetLUG will be getting all the attention it deserves :) |
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| 15:23.51 | tarzeau | ma3x: ctrl-] works for me |
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| 15:24.30 | ma3x | hmakholm, what's the default_transport parameter? |
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| 15:25.03 | hmakholm | ma3x: You mean what it does or what I told you to set it to? |
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| 15:25.21 | ma3x | hmakholm, I don't have such name in main.cg |
| 15:25.24 | ma3x | *main.cf |
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| 15:25.54 | hmakholm | ma3x: Then create a line that reads "default_transport = smtp:smtpauth...." |
| 15:25.55 | CapNemo | hi :) is #debian-sparc the right channel to talk about the sparc version of debian ? |
| 15:26.11 | ChristianP | hi all |
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| 15:26.43 | whaq | hi all |
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| 15:26.50 | hmakholm | CapNemo: Yes, if you have sparc-specific questions. If it is just general Debian things, here is better (more people to help). |
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| 15:27.13 | britt | hello, could somebody tell me where the rc.d entries are? for the runlevel folders, so i can disable gdm |
| 15:27.37 | hmakholm | ma3x: The hostname suggests that you might need to add some authentification stuff too. |
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| 15:28.00 | CapNemo | hmakholm, i just try to install debian on a ultra 5 and all i got is a black screen :( ! |
| 15:28.04 | jethro | britt: I'm sure you want to give rcconf or update-rc.d a try |
| 15:28.09 | illsci | hey trazeau in your dhcpd.conf how do you tell it which host to use for the tftp ... |
| 15:28.12 | hmakholm | britt: /etc/rc1.d (for various values of 1)? |
| 15:28.12 | ChristianP | problems in sarge 3.1 installation: all seems was right, but when it says: remove CD and restart system, i have a grub error 18. What's the matter? The system is in hda and grub in the mbr. |
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| 15:28.27 | hmakholm | bright: Or just uninstall gdm if you don't need it? |
| 15:28.29 | britt | oaky thanks |
| 15:28.41 | ma3x | hmakholm, how do i add that stuff? |
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| 15:29.17 | hmakholm | ma3x: Oops, I hit a wrong key. Could you repeat your question? |
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| 15:29.37 | ma3x | hmakholm, it still won't accept my email |
| 15:29.42 | cahoot | britt try:/msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:29.47 | hmakholm | ma3x: What have you done? |
| 15:29.54 | ma3x | hmakholm, with this option you gave me, it doesn't send, it doesn't come back. lost forever. |
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| 15:30.08 | ma3x | hmakholm, the default mail transport option |
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| 15:30.20 | hmakholm | ma3x: What does /var/log/mail.log say when you try to send something? |
| 15:30.24 | ma3x | hmakholm, default_transport = smtp:smtpauth.bluewin.ch |
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| 15:30.52 | ma3x | , relay=none, delay=2, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=smtpauth.bluewin.ch type=MX: Host not found, try again) |
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| 15:31.27 | hmakholm | ma3x: Hmm. Can you resolve the name using 'host smtpauth.bluewin.ch' |
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| 15:32.08 | ma3x | hmakholm, Host smtpauth.bluewin.ch not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
| 15:32.10 | ma3x | but mx.bluewin.ch it resolves |
| 15:32.29 | ma3x | hmakholm, i'll try mx.bluewin.ch |
| 15:32.49 | hmakholm | ma3x: If it works better than the other, it works better. |
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| 15:33.33 | ma3x | hmakholm, still says Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mx.bluewin.ch type=MX: Host not found, try again |
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| 15:34.06 | severloh | how can i check for errors an ext3 partition? |
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| 15:34.09 | hmakholm | ma3x: Try enclosing the hostname in [brackets]. That should disable the MX lookup. |
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| 15:34.44 | britt | back again, i've honestly never had to format a drive after debian was installed...could somebody tell me how to format a FAT32 drive in console? |
| 15:35.04 | britt | partition i mean |
| 15:35.11 | abrotman | mkfs.vfat |
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| 15:35.22 | abrotman | do oyu need to create the partition too? |
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| 15:35.37 | britt | abrotman: nope, already created...just needs to be formatted |
| 15:35.37 | Gathond | britt: somthing along the lines of (if my memory serves) mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/hdxy |
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| 15:35.45 | abrotman | britt: mkfs.vfat |
| 15:35.48 | britt | okay...thank you |
| 15:35.48 | ma3x | hmakholm, status=bounced (host mx.bluewin.ch[195.186.18.155] said: 530 authentication required for mail submission (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) |
| 15:35.51 | britt | i' |
| 15:35.52 | Gathond | britt: but check the manual, I might remember wrong |
| 15:36.01 | abrotman | britt: should have a lovely man page .. man mkfs.vfat iirc |
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| 15:36.20 | hmakholm | ma3x: OK. You need to add some authentication stuff. I have no experience with that, but I see some hints in 'man smtp' |
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| 15:36.34 | ma3x | hmakholm, please, and thank you!! |
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| 15:37.57 | karma1^ | is it easier to just install using the netinst instead of downloading th e full cd set? am i gonna run into problems while installing since i dont have the full set? |
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| 15:38.31 | whitehorse1 | karma1: I did it at around 4am this morning with netinst :) |
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| 15:38.45 | hmakholm | ma3x: It seems you need to create /etc/postfix/smtpauth with a line reading "smtpauth.bluewin.ch <your ISP password goes here>" |
| 15:38.50 | karma1^ | ahh good to hear |
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| 15:39.07 | ma3x | hmakholm, what about the username? |
| 15:39.09 | hmakholm | ma3x: Actually <your username goes here>:<your password goes here> |
| 15:39.23 | hmakholm | ma3x: Then run "postmap hash:/etc/postfix/smtpauth" |
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| 15:39.55 | CapNemo | is there a mailing list for debian sparc ?? |
| 15:39.59 | pet | does some one knows how do i replace ( in gnome terminal |
| 15:40.01 | pet | ?? |
| 15:40.06 | whitehorse1 | karma1: Basically no, you won't run into problems if you're talking about using the stable Debian version i.e. Sarge. On the other hand, I previously tried the netinst installer of the Testing distribution, etch. That didn't work since it didn't detect my network conneection(well, standalone pc but with a router plugged into the ethernet card). Sarg had no problem. Btw, it's worth using the bigger netinst image of the two |
| 15:40.07 | hmakholm | ma3x: And add "smtp_sasl_auth_enable=yes" and "smtp_sasl_password_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/smtpauth" to main.cf |
| 15:40.11 | resiak | pet: Replace ( with what ? |
| 15:40.36 | pet | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 15:40.43 | pet | he always says this |
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| 15:40.46 | whitehorse1 | karma1: One other thing I did notice, |
| 15:40.46 | resiak | ... |
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| 15:40.57 | resiak | pet: It says that when you start g-t ? |
| 15:41.08 | pet | gnome terminal don t read the synatax ( |
| 15:41.09 | ma3x | hmakholm, ok done, let me test it |
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| 15:41.26 | pet | i try to download a file wich name includes ( |
| 15:41.30 | karma1^ | whitehorse1: yea, im talking bout the latest stable version, sarge. Also, I downloaded the 180mb image, is that what you're talking about? |
| 15:41.31 | pet | threw wget |
| 15:41.38 | pet | but i m not able to do it |
| 15:41.38 | abrotman | through |
| 15:41.41 | resiak | pet: That's nothing to do with gnome-terminal, it's a bash error. Put the filename in quotes. wget "http://url" |
| 15:41.43 | hmakholm | pet: You need to enclose the filename in 'quotes' or "quotes", then |
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| 15:41.57 | pet | ok |
| 15:41.59 | pet | cool |
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| 15:42.12 | nvz | pet: put it in qoutes |
| 15:42.21 | resiak | nvz: Is there an echo in here? ;) |
| 15:42.29 | pet | function |
| 15:42.30 | nvz | it has nothing at all to do with gnome-terminal |
| 15:42.30 | pet | :) |
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| 15:42.33 | pet | thanks |
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| 15:43.11 | ma3x | hmakholm, Sep 6 17:46:27 ma3x postfix/smtp[21025]: warning: mx.bluewin.ch[195.186.18.155] offered AUTH option multiple times |
| 15:43.26 | ma3x | relay=mx.bluewin.ch[195.186.18.155], delay=0, status=bounced (host mx.bluewin.ch[195.186.18.155] said: 530 authentication required for mail submission (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) |
| 15:43.33 | ma3x | Sep 6 17:46:28 ma3x postfix/smtp[21025]: warning: mx.bluewin.ch[195.186.19.155] offered AUTH option multiple times |
| 15:43.37 | hmakholm | ma3x: Bummer. |
| 15:43.45 | ma3x | what's Bummer? |
| 15:43.49 | whitehorse1 | karma1: Yes, the 180mb version rather than the 40MB or so buusiness-card sized one, that's the puppy. :-) Also, after the install had done the basic stuff and rebooted happily, it'd detected my net connection with dchp ok (ie internet access=on) and it came to downloading the rest of the files I needed to tell it where to downnload them from. For some reason, although it had installed fine so far from the CD-ROM I'd burnt, it couldn't detect it |
| 15:43.49 | whitehorse1 | to take additional files from, the installer allows you to edit the sources.list file for apt-get to know where to get the rest of the files from. It's definitely worth writing down beforehand what to insert since the net installer doesnt seem to add it in itself |
| 15:43.54 | nvz | doesnt even have anything to do with wget, because wget never gets it.. you should always qoute urls in good practice.. because cgi or php scrips with half a dozen or more & in them can do nasty things to your shell |
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| 15:44.02 | resiak | nvz: pet is long gone. |
| 15:44.05 | hmakholm | ma3x: A generic expression of dislike. |
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| 15:44.19 | ma3x | hmakholm, it's not working :( |
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| 15:44.25 | hmakholm | ma3x: Have you double-checked that your username:password is correct? |
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| 15:44.42 | ma3x | hmakholm, yes, maybe i should specify username@email? |
| 15:44.48 | hmakholm | ma3x: No. |
| 15:44.53 | nvz | resiak: I noticed. perhaps you didnt notice I stopped talking at him 2 minutes ago |
| 15:44.55 | whitehorse1 | karma1: If it'll help I can just give you the few lines to write into apt-get's sources.list file so it can install the rest of the files after the netinst ones off the cd are done? |
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| 15:45.19 | hmakholm | ma3x: Hm, do you have mx.bluewin in main.cf and smtpauth.bluewin in /etc/postfix/smtpauth? |
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| 15:45.41 | whitehorse1 | karma1: (if you're new to linux/debian) don't worry - not as hard as it sounds at all :) |
| 15:45.42 | dupondje | hi guys, it it normal that fsck runs for like 20 hours ? its a lvm array with 1.3TB ! and i get few errors like Clone duplicate/bad blocks<y>? |
| 15:45.50 | ma3x | hmakholm, no, everywhere mx.bluewin.ch |
| 15:45.54 | karma1^ | whitehorse1: Yes, I'd appreciate that. Also, I havent used Linux in a couple of years so my knowledge is at the newbie level pretty much |
| 15:45.54 | hmakholm | ma3x: Actually, adding @the.appropriate.domain before the colon might be an idea too. Sorry for cutting you off. |
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| 15:46.13 | resiak | nvz: According to my irssi, you said "doesnt even have anything to do with wget [...]" over a minute after he parted. I wasn't trying to be confrontational, I was just letting you know in case you have joins and parts ignored. Sorry. |
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| 15:46.24 | ma3x | hmakholm, before what colon? |
| 15:46.33 | nvz | resiak: yeah and I didnt say pet: ... |
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| 15:46.47 | newbie^ | is there any tightvnc user here? |
| 15:46.56 | ma3x | hmakholm, i tried that too, didn't work |
| 15:47.01 | hmakholm | ma3x: Before the colon between username and password. |
| 15:47.04 | whitehorse1 | karma1: No problem, one sec. I'm newish too so on the one hand yes it's the blind leading the blind ;-) but hey, on the other hand I'll probably be able to phrase things at a level suitable for both of us to understand from the get go. :) One sec, whilst I get the necessary lines. |
| 15:47.10 | hmakholm | ma3x: Hm. Let me think. |
| 15:47.12 | nvz | linux is so easy it makes windows look complicated. |
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| 15:47.41 | jethro | that's right, linux is soooo easy most windows users feel more confortable using windows |
| 15:48.21 | whitehorse1 | karma1: One question, you're using Sarge the stable version, which is good. Do you also want to download newer files, not yet included in the Stable Debian version but which're proposed for inclusion in it? NOTE: Advice on that point from more experienced members of this channel would be cool. :D |
| 15:48.21 | dupondje | hi guys, it it normal that fsck runs for like 20 hours ? its a lvm array with 1.3TB ! and i get few errors like Clone duplicate/bad blocks<y>? |
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| 15:48.30 | Blissex | dupondje: yes. |
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| 15:48.38 | Blissex | dupondje: wait a second for a nice link |
| 15:48.45 | Blissex | dupondje: that will scare you witless. |
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| 15:49.06 | paulswm | Hooray |
| 15:49.07 | whitehorse1 | nvz: That's true! ;p I've inadvertently d/loaded the complex version though, where is the easy Linux version, please Sir?. g |
| 15:49.13 | karma1^ | whitehorse1: At this point, no. Just what comes with it is fine :) |
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| 15:49.16 | Blissex | dupondje: http://UKAI.org/b/log/debian/snapshot/ and cry |
| 15:49.21 | hmakholm | ma3x: It seems that mx.bluewin.ch does not announce the kind of auth that the HOWTO I was lookin at was about... |
| 15:49.23 | nvz | people use windows because they are ignorant and brain washed. the industry makes them feel helpless and confused, then tried to sell them solutions.. and its got to work, cause they paid good money for it. you will hear people arguing that stuff is better because it cost more |
| 15:49.32 | whitehorse1 | karma1: Check. getting lines now. |
| 15:49.36 | ma3x | hmakholm, what kind was that? |
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| 15:50.14 | paulswm | nvz: That is almost totally incorrect |
| 15:50.28 | nvz | paulswm: oh? |
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| 15:50.40 | Blissex | dupondje: so what do you think of the 'fsck' that was not finished after a month? :-) |
| 15:50.58 | paulswm | In fact is is a remark so silly it's not worth arguing about. |
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| 15:51.31 | whitehorse1 | nvz: Yes I agree but only until it comes to fact people have to upgrade their hardware to use Linux... that sucks. Yes, not linux's fault - true, cost-cutting with winmodems working via closed-source software not actual serial modem hardware and closed-source drivers for cards that the manufacturers refuse to release developer docs for or make linux drivers themself. All the same, the cost of sometimes needing to upgrade hardware is often a real |
| 15:51.31 | whitehorse1 | barrier. :( |
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| 15:51.40 | whitehorse1 | karma1: sorry, doing it now - got carried away |
| 15:51.51 | bipolar | Blissex, thats insane |
| 15:51.57 | takatumi | paulswm: regarding perceived quality and cost, that certainly is a fact in many organizations, including mine. |
| 15:52.09 | KrLoS | hi peolple |
| 15:52.14 | bipolar | Blissex, I wonder if reiserfs or xfs has that kind of issue. |
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| 15:52.21 | Blissex | bipolar: but it is something that does happen -- large RAIDs with some filesystems can take a _long_ time. |
| 15:52.22 | nite613 | whitehorse1: Ummm, the winmodem issue is about the only example I can think of where you'd require better hardware in linux than in windows |
| 15:52.23 | nvz | its a fact in my house. everytime my fathers windows crashes he buys a new pc |
| 15:52.25 | hmakholm | ma3x: OK, here is another thing to try: Try adding "smtp_sasl_security_options =" (with an empty value) to main.cf - that will let postfix send the password in plaintext. |
| 15:52.28 | ma3x | hmakholm, if you can't find a solution, we'll drop it, and i'll use yahoo smtp directly |
| 15:52.33 | Blissex | bipolar: I suspect JFS and XFS have a much smaller problem with that. |
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| 15:52.38 | ma3x | ok hmakholm let me try |
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| 15:53.04 | Blissex | bipolar: while 'ext3' is probably the best performing filesystem on desktops, JFS and XFS parallelize a lot better on massive RAIDs. |
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| 15:53.22 | KrLoS | uesterday i was looking for Ian Murdock, and send him an email, bue he don't answer me yet, may be some of you know him or some one is murdock closed friend |
| 15:53.26 | nvz | my brothers sat and argued whos website was better last night.. and naturally my older brothers is better because he uses a $70 blah blah blah and his themes cost $30 each.. |
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| 15:54.01 | bipolar | Blissex, what is your definition of "massive"? |
| 15:54.05 | ma3x | hmakholm, same thing, bounced |
| 15:54.16 | bipolar | Blissex, 1TB+? 10TB+? |
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| 15:54.26 | Blissex | bipolar: number of drives, not size. |
| 15:54.27 | nvz | when the two fools could be hosting their own free webserver and some creativity to make something unique instead of over-priced templates and wonder scripts |
| 15:54.32 | hmakholm | ma3x: Oh well. |
| 15:54.34 | bipolar | Blissex, Oh, I see. |
| 15:54.45 | ma3x | hmakholm, is this set right? myhostname = mx.bluewin.ch |
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| 15:54.51 | ma3x | or should i put localhost.localdomain there? |
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| 15:54.57 | Blissex | bipolar: basically JFS and XFS performance scales with the number of drives in the array, because they can issue parallel requests to all the drives. |
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| 15:55.24 | bipolar | Blissex, gotcha. You're talking about software RAID then? |
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| 15:55.37 | Blissex | bipolar: no, RAID of any sort. |
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| 15:56.08 | bipolar | Blissex, hmm... how does that work when the OS only 'sees' one device via a RAID controler? |
| 15:56.08 | Blissex | bipolar: things like 'ext3' don't really scale with number of drives, probably because of locking issues in the code. |
| 15:56.15 | KrLoS | people.... |
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| 15:56.28 | hmakholm | ma3x: No, myhostname should be your own hostname. |
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| 15:56.37 | KrLoS | some one know Iam Murdock closely or some closed friend of him |
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| 15:56.44 | ma3x | hmakholm, even if it doesn't resolve? |
| 15:56.48 | whitehorse1 | karma1: still around? |
| 15:56.52 | Blissex | bipolar: virtually all RAID hw cards do tagged queueing. So the filesystem can issue a long queue of requests. |
| 15:56.52 | bipolar | Blissex, or do really high end controlers that I will never get to work with do things diffrently? :) |
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| 15:57.05 | bipolar | Blissex, ok. thanks for the education. |
| 15:57.06 | hmakholm | ma3x: Hm. Ideally it should be something that does resolve to your IP. |
| 15:57.16 | bipolar | Blissex, now I can say I learned something. |
| 15:57.19 | Blissex | bipolar: the problem is whether the _filesystem_ is itself parallel. |
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| 15:57.24 | ma3x | hmakholm, impossible, i have dyn ip |
| 15:57.25 | m2 | KrLoS: some people present here work with him. |
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| 15:57.51 | Blissex | bipolar: if you want I can dig for a couple of Linux filesystem benchmarks that show the issues very clearly. |
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| 15:57.58 | ma3x | hmakholm, i have a hostname with dyndns.org but too lazy to update it always. And I'm not aware of any service that's able to do that automatically |
| 15:57.59 | whitehorse1 | karma1: okey-doke, just two lines are needed really :) |
| 15:58.05 | hmakholm | ma3x: Then it might be worth a try to set it to something ending in .local or whatever. But I don't think it will change the main situation. |
| 15:58.15 | m2 | ma3x: apt-cache search dyndns |
| 15:58.19 | KrLoS | m2, I am looking for some to can talk about him |
| 15:58.21 | Blissex | bipolar: I have even done my own ''desktop'' benchmarks, and for that 'ext3' is just about the best, both as to performance and features. |
| 15:58.27 | bipolar | Blissex, thats ok. I understand how it works now. If I'm ever in the situation to need that I'll look it up. |
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| 15:58.38 | m2 | KrLoS: Interview kind of thing you mean? |
| 15:58.43 | m2 | KrLoS: or gossip? |
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| 15:58.47 | ma3x | m2 thanks |
| 15:58.48 | bipolar | Blissex, Yeah, I use ext3 for my desktops |
| 15:58.59 | KrLoS | not... gossip |
| 15:59.05 | karma1^ | whitehorse1: yeah, im still here, got carried away myself ;) |
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| 15:59.10 | KrLoS | I sen him an email yesterday... |
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| 15:59.42 | KrLoS | m2, I planning a debian users meeting in peru, |
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| 16:00.18 | KrLoS | m2, and some people help us to pay the travel for ian murdock if he come to Peru |
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| 16:00.33 | whitehorse1 | karma1^: The two lines at http://pastebin.com/356192 without the line numbers that pastbin.com inserts at the beginning, of course. :) You insert them post-reboot, once it's installed the main bits. It'll be fairly clear where, you'll be basically editing the sources.list file for apt-get. The editor it'll give you to use is called nano - an absaolute breeze to save the file and overwrite it and then it updates and yadda yadda all's good |
| 16:00.34 | KrLoS | m2, but they know if he can come to peru.... |
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| 16:01.06 | ChristianP | i solved, it was the boot partition too big for the bios. |
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| 16:01.11 | whitehorse1 | karma1^ By the way, you probably know, but # at the beginning means comment this out ie dont use this line; just in case you see that |
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| 16:01.52 | ChristianP | now have no error,but the system is waiting with the grub prompt. How to continue sarge installation? |
| 16:02.25 | whitehorse1 | KrLos: I don't know him, I'm new here. :) But wouldn't flying him over there and paying him an honorarium be AWFULLY expensive for a linux user group to afford? |
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| 16:03.05 | Patrick` | I LOVE YOU ALL |
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| 16:03.08 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: You mean a menu?? |
| 16:03.11 | theD3viL | how to save alsamixer volume? |
| 16:03.18 | Patrick` | for removing dselect as a dependancy of apt |
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| 16:03.26 | nvz | eww, I think you got a little on my monitor |
| 16:03.28 | ChristianP | whitehorse1, no, a prompt: grub> |
| 16:03.30 | karma1^ | whitehorse1: ahh, thank you for the help, appreciate it |
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| 16:03.39 | whitehorse1 | karma1: Pleasure 8) |
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| 16:04.17 | silentwarrior | d3vil: you're asked whether you want to save the settings during the installation process |
| 16:04.18 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: er no idea, beyond my experience level. what version (of debian) is it |
| 16:04.27 | ChristianP | sarge 3.1 |
| 16:04.45 | valdyn | theD3viL: if you have alsa installed properly, then sound settings are saved when you reboot |
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| 16:04.54 | theD3viL | kk |
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| 16:05.02 | valdyn | theD3viL: 'man alsactl' |
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| 16:05.18 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: Hmm, I installed that this morning in the small hours. Didn't get that message. What installer were you using? netinst? DVd? 14cd-set? And did it install ok and then reboot? |
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| 16:05.22 | theD3viL | valdyn, tnx |
| 16:05.22 | cesar | alguien habla español |
| 16:05.24 | theD3viL | reboot |
| 16:05.25 | theD3viL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:05.55 | Stealth_L | good day |
| 16:06.17 | valdyn | ChristianP: its stuck? or can you hit <enter> to proceed? |
| 16:06.21 | itom | hi I've never used hdparm, but only in a notebook (PIII 1ghz) dma is disabled; debian testing is installed; I need some .deb? |
| 16:06.25 | ChristianP | dvd. it says: the system is installed, now remove DVD and press a key to reboot |
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| 16:06.41 | Stealth_L | im trying to install the package "digikam" with apt-get and getting the error: unmet dependencies... what can i do about that? |
| 16:06.44 | hanz | hi folks, why does this line "tar -zcpvf ~/hannes/cyrus_mailspool.tar.gz --directory /var/spool/cyrus/" not work? |
| 16:06.53 | ChristianP | valdyn, if i hit enter, it display me another grub> prompt |
| 16:06.55 | ChristianP | :( |
| 16:06.59 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: Grub should detect any existing installations e.g. WindowsXP - if you're to be running a dual-boot system and set up a nice boot menu for you. |
| 16:07.00 | Stealth_L | and why doesn't apt istall the missing packages? |
| 16:07.01 | silentwarrior | Stealth_L: what about apt-get build-dep digikam |
| 16:07.13 | valdyn | ChristianP: err, that hapened when booting? |
| 16:07.21 | Stealth_L | what will that do? |
| 16:07.23 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: REMOVE THE DVD :P and then reboot with ctrl-alt-del |
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| 16:07.49 | silentwarrior | it tries to install the missing packages. maybe apt-get -f install (without any further options) will also help |
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| 16:07.57 | faber2 | can anyone give me a quick help with grub? |
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| 16:08.03 | hmakholm | ma3x: Are you still there? |
| 16:08.12 | ma3x | hmakholm, sure |
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| 16:08.26 | hmakholm | ma3x: You're running plain postfix from unstable, right? |
| 16:08.33 | hmakholm | ma3x: meant stable, sorry. |
| 16:08.42 | ma3x | hmakholm, unstable |
| 16:08.44 | silentwarrior | can anybody help me? my problem is that when i use initng, i can't connect to the internet and i don't know exactly why... |
| 16:08.48 | nvz | must have bit myself in my sleep. my upper lip is slightly swollen |
| 16:08.57 | ChristianP | whitehorse1, i did it,but starts grub and wait for hitting (GNU GRUB version 0.95. Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported....and so on) |
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| 16:08.59 | valdyn | silentwarrior: dont use initng |
| 16:09.08 | valdyn | silentwarrior: its experimental for good reason(s) |
| 16:09.10 | faber2 | i am trying to update a kernel on a remote machine, where grub is installed which i never used before |
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| 16:09.13 | jay_ | I'm trying to compile wine-20041019, as it's the one suggested by wine tools, but it's giving me an (In file included from /usr/include/alsa/asoundlib.h:48....error: syntax error before "struct"). Some reading in the net suggested that it might be an issue with alsa 1.09, but I'm using alsa 1.08. any ideas? |
| 16:09.16 | ma3x | hmakholm, im behind a router firewall, can't forward any ports. Does that make any difference? |
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| 16:09.23 | Stealth_L | silentwarrior: doesnt work... dependencies could not be statisfied |
| 16:09.23 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: So do you see a blue boot menu initially, or not? |
| 16:09.37 | valdyn | silentwarrior: unless you want and are able to write your own initscripts its totally useless to try it. |
| 16:09.51 | hmakholm | ma3x: It should not make any outgoing difference. We saw from your logs that you do get a connection to the SMTP host but it just does not get (or accept) your auth credentials. |
| 16:09.58 | ChristianP | whitehorse1, no, debian is the only so |
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| 16:10.09 | Maneit | Do I need to set any variables after installing java sdk from java-package? |
| 16:10.10 | aliumalik | I downgraded a package and I want it to stay that way but whenever I run apt for anything else it promots me to upgrade. I tried holding the packge but that did not work |
| 16:10.10 | silentwarrior | valdyn: do you have any alternatives that work as fast as initng? the speed increase was incredible on my machine |
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| 16:10.25 | ma3x | hmakholm, the server does pop up for the credentials, but postfix doesn't send them probably |
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| 16:10.41 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: Yes but wasn't there a menu with two options: linux 2.4... and linux 2.4...Recovery Mode? |
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| 16:10.46 | hmakholm | ma3x: Yes, I've checked that the server announces that it wants credentials. |
| 16:10.51 | valdyn | silentwarrior: no surprise, big part of that comes from initng just not starting most of your services |
| 16:10.51 | bruha | nvidia-glx still broken in respect to xorg? |
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| 16:11.13 | hmakholm | ma3x: But it wants "LOGIN" credentials rather than "PLAIN" ones, and somehow your postfix seems not to send them... |
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| 16:11.23 | ma3x | hmakholm, yes, postfix doesnt send them |
| 16:11.28 | valdyn | silentwarrior: wait 6 months+ before it becomes useful without alot of hacking, i bet. |
| 16:11.35 | dieguito | hello, anybody using pybloxsom? |
| 16:11.40 | whitehorse1 | aliumalik: /etc/apt/ directory has a preferences file. The apt howto and man pages explain it more, it deals with forcing versions and stuff |
| 16:11.54 | hmakholm | ma3x: You have an up-to-date version of libsasl2? |
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| 16:12.09 | silentwarrior | well, that's pretty bad news. i really thought i could speed up the boot process, because it is damn slow. but well, i guess there is enough space for speed improvement |
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| 16:12.15 | ChristianP | whitehorse1, no, i think the installation isn't finished, i'm restarting after the installation wizaeds ends copying file (no password setting asked yet) |
| 16:12.32 | ma3x | m2, you still there? |
| 16:12.42 | m2 | ma3x: hmm? |
| 16:12.47 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: Ah ok, with you now. So it's installed from dvd, told you it needs to reboot, and HAS rebooted yes? |
| 16:12.53 | ma3x | hmakholm, Version: 2.1.19-1.6 |
| 16:13.08 | ChristianP | whitehorse1, yes |
| 16:13.09 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: if so it (installer) wouldve said remove dvd, did you see that |
| 16:13.13 | bruha | is what dpkg says about xorg in unstable with nvidia still accurate? |
| 16:13.15 | hmakholm | ma3x: Yes, that's the newest one. It ought to support "LOGIN" auth... |
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| 16:13.25 | ma3x | m2, Interface used for dynamic DNS service: should i specify wlan0 here? |
| 16:13.25 | valdyn | silentwarrior: you 'can', but as I said above, not with more work than you probably want to do. |
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| 16:13.29 | ma3x | hmakholm, it ought, yeah |
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| 16:13.56 | m2 | ma3x: I don't know, which one is the interface that changes IPs? |
| 16:14.00 | jay_ | is there an irc channel for wine users? |
| 16:14.08 | ChristianP | whitehorse1, yes, and now? |
| 16:14.12 | valdyn | !wine |
| 16:14.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
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| 16:14.54 | hmakholm | ma3x: Can you log into the server by hand if you try to connect with 'telnet smtpauth.bluewin.ch 25' |
| 16:14.59 | jay_ | thanks |
| 16:15.17 | silentwarrior | valdyn: i guess you're right. ;) but also things like browser startup time can certainly be reduced. i will inform me about that instead of hacking something i don't really have any idea of |
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| 16:15.30 | valdyn | silentwarrior: apt-cache show prelink |
| 16:15.35 | valdyn | silentwarrior: that works decently. |
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| 16:16.32 | paulswm | takatumi: Sorry, was afk. Yes, I agree that percieved quality and cost are a factor, but I was specifically adressing a particular remark. |
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| 16:16.46 | hmakholm | ma3x: Scratch that; it appears that LOGIN transactions are base64 encoded and so cannot be done by hand. Wonderful design. |
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| 16:16.50 | asdsadads | hello |
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| 16:17.00 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: What you're seeing shouldn't happen. I don't know whether during install you chose to set up partitions manually or just wipe the HD and install Linux on it; or, chose to make sure you had a swap partition, ext3 filesystem etc by yourself. Either way, on the reboot you should see a nice blue boot menu with at least two options (e.g. regular and recovery mode). Since you aren't something's bust and it's probably beyond my skill level |
| 16:17.00 | whitehorse1 | to assist further. Someone else here will be happy+able to help, whether you need to re-install over again or whether they can tell you what to do to fix existing install, |
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| 16:17.26 | silentwarrior | valdyn: oh, thanks for the hint. i'm gonna try it out. but first, i'm gonna eat something. cu |
| 16:17.32 | takatumi | paulswm: yes, I agree the rest was yadda yadda. |
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| 16:17.45 | paulswm | takatumi: :) |
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| 16:18.29 | rend | anyone here have experience with cogent for bandwidth? |
| 16:18.47 | asdsadads | someone know about some textual ide for gcc? |
| 16:18.48 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: By the way, importantly, whomever does help you, probably worth asking them to help you with making/submitting an installation report before you wipe anything, so that debian can fix the installer if need be to make sure this doesnt happen in future. :) |
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| 16:20.11 | whitehorse1 | asds: synaptic suggests: 'motor' , uses c++&java |
| 16:20.12 | hmakholm | asdsadads: Emacs works well for me. |
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| 16:20.36 | whitehorse1 | asds: or you can be leet and use emacs/vi ;p |
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| 16:21.17 | asdsadads | i'm seaching some "jump to error line" feature |
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| 16:21.44 | asdsadads | whitehorse1: emacs have this feature? |
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| 16:21.57 | hmakholm | asdsadads: If you run emacs and start the compilation with M-x compile, you can point to the error and jump with Enter. |
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| 16:22.04 | whitehorse1 | asds: hmakholm uses emacs :) |
| 16:22.19 | asdsadads | k , thx |
| 16:22.32 | whitehorse1 | C/C++/Java Integrated Development Environment |
| 16:22.32 | whitehorse1 | Motor is a text mode based programming environment for Linux. It consists of |
| 16:22.32 | whitehorse1 | a powerful editor with syntax highlight feature, project manager, makefile |
| 16:22.33 | whitehorse1 | generator, gcc and gdb front-end, etc. Deep CVS integration is also provided. |
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| 16:22.37 | resiak | \o/ |
| 16:22.45 | hmakholm | asdsadads: Or you can jump to the next error with ... if I remember correctly .. M-` |
| 16:22.53 | whitehorse1 | whoops :( |
| 16:22.59 | antgel | whitehorse1: /topic |
| 16:23.04 | paulswm | !beat whitehorse1 |
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| 16:23.16 | asdsadads | what do u mean with M-x? |
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| 16:23.19 | antgel | ah, it was an accident |
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| 16:23.29 | antgel | still read the topic :P |
| 16:24.03 | hmakholm | asdsadads: Meta-X. The meta key is usually labeled alt. |
| 16:24.21 | paulswm | whitehorse1: Yes, but it's still fun to beat you :) Most of us have prolly done something similar though |
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| 16:24.30 | hmakholm | asdsadads: But if you're just starting to learn emacs, you have quite a learning curve ahead of you, I'm afraid. |
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| 16:24.59 | asdsadads | motor seems better |
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| 16:25.19 | ma3x | hmakholm, i got it |
| 16:25.34 | ma3x | Authentication failed: SASL authentication failed; server mx.bluewin.ch[195.186.19.155] said: 535 invalid user ID or password |
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| 16:25.36 | hmakholm | ma3x: Wonderful. What made it work? |
| 16:25.37 | ma3x | i dont understand why though |
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| 16:25.41 | ma3x | I specified the correct user/pass |
| 16:25.47 | whitehorse1 | asds: http://pastebin.com/356211 |
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| 16:26.14 | hmakholm | ma3x: That's always a good strategy :-) |
| 16:26.30 | ma3x | hmakholm, what? |
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| 16:26.30 | asdsadads | whitehorse1: thank u |
| 16:26.32 | whitehorse1 | paulswm: Yep. g Spare the rod and spoil the child; or somesuch! |
| 16:26.41 | hmakholm | <ma3x> I specified the correct user/pass |
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| 16:27.05 | ma3x | hmakholm, I mean I put the right user/pass and it still says inavalid |
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| 16:27.09 | ma3x | even tried with a @bluewin.ch |
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| 16:27.15 | hmakholm | ma3x: Oh. I only noticed you writing "I got it" and thought it worked for you now. |
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| 16:27.53 | hmakholm | ma3x: It might be time to call your ISP and ask for help there... |
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| 16:28.40 | Stealth_L | how do i cange the version of a package with apt? |
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| 16:28.54 | Stealth_L | i need a certain version for dependencies |
| 16:28.55 | spedkid | can someone here tell me what i need to do to make a tarball of a certain folder? |
| 16:29.04 | hmakholm | Stealth_L: apt-get install packagename=version |
| 16:29.14 | asg | spedkid: /msg dpkg tar |
| 16:29.16 | whitehorse1 | Stealth_L: its supposed to intelligently do all that to avoid conflicts tho :) but yes thats how |
| 16:29.21 | ma3x | hmakholm, now I remember, they told once a friend of mine, if you login to the webmail, you can't use the pop/smtp mail for 30 mins |
| 16:29.22 | hmakholm | Stealth_L: But only if that version is available in a repository you have configured apt to use. |
| 16:29.24 | piem | spedkid: tar zcvf folder.tar.gz folder/ |
| 16:29.28 | ma3x | that's way the stupidest thing i've ever known |
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| 16:29.40 | shadukan | hello ppl |
| 16:29.43 | Stealth_L | ill try, thx |
| 16:29.48 | shadukan | i want to install netboot image to usb stick |
| 16:29.50 | shadukan | i try out |
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| 16:30.06 | hmakholm | Stealth_L: Otherwise, learn aptitude. It provides a much slicker interface for resolving that sort of things than the apt-get command line. |
| 16:30.11 | shadukan | dpkg -i netboot.deb --instdir\=\mnt\usbstick\ |
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| 16:31.14 | shadukan | and i get the error that cannot see mntusbstick dir |
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| 16:31.14 | shadukan | what am i doing wrong here guys? |
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| 16:31.15 | hmakholm | shadukan: In Unix you must use forward slashes (/) not backslashes (\). |
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| 16:31.29 | quad3datwork | hi where does debian keep its rc startup files? |
| 16:31.32 | paulswm | shadukan: rotate slashes clockwise 90 degrees |
| 16:31.42 | hmakholm | quad3datwork: /etc/init.d, with links from /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 16:31.52 | quad3datwork | thx |
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| 16:32.18 | D13GU___ | hi all! where i download the "sid" debian? |
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| 16:32.31 | D13GU___ | i need install xorg |
| 16:32.44 | hmakholm | D13GU___: You already have Debian stable installed? |
| 16:32.45 | drac | Download, and install Sarge and dist-upgrade to Sid. |
| 16:32.49 | whitehorse1 | D13GU: No need, theres a bakport for Sarge |
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| 16:33.01 | D13GU___ | hmakholm yes |
| 16:33.15 | asdsadads | bye all |
| 16:33.16 | drac | !xorg sarge |
| 16:33.17 | dpkg | [xorg sarge] http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 16:33.25 | hmakholm | D13GU___: Take whitehorse1's advise. |
| 16:33.30 | resiak | !iyhtays D13GU___ |
| 16:33.31 | dpkg | D13GU___: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 16:33.42 | D13GU___ | ok |
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| 16:33.58 | hmakholm | resiak: That's the right answer to the wrong question. |
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| 16:34.07 | D13GU___ | add source.list in apt .. |
| 16:34.08 | philbo | is there a way to convince apt-get that when I want to install a program it should not remove my kernel? |
| 16:34.10 | resiak | hmakholm: Hmm, I'm lagging :) |
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| 16:34.44 | hmakholm | philbo: Use aptitude. It is better at explaining why it wants to do certain things. |
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| 16:34.57 | philbo | hmakholm: ah. will do. thanks |
| 16:35.18 | whitehorse1 | (tried it within last three days, I mean) |
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| 16:35.46 | whitehorse1 | note to me: do smart thing and email maintainer of that backport and tell him of experiences. |
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| 16:36.24 | hmakholm | No, no, no. Just complaining about it on IRC channels is obviously a smarter strategy. |
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| 16:37.27 | whitehorse1 | hmakholm: Tee-hee. Touche! No, instead I shall write about it on LiveJournal, post-haste. Accompanied, of course, by a Buffy icon. :P :P :P |
| 16:37.31 | philbo | hmakholm: aptitude wants to remove my kernel too. It doesn't really offer more explanation. Are there switches to make it more verbose? |
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| 16:37.48 | hmakholm | philbo: Do you use the interactive mode of aptitude? |
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| 16:38.12 | philbo | hmakholm: no, just 'aptitude install libgcrypt11-dev" |
| 16:38.26 | whitehorse1 | philbo: what package are you installing? (hopefully it's at least suggeting it wants to install a newer kernel as an alternative, heh) |
| 16:38.29 | whitehorse1 | oh that one |
| 16:38.30 | hmakholm | philbo: Try the interactive mode, which starts when you run aptitude without arguments. |
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| 16:39.05 | hmakholm | philbo: Then the status line should tell you if aptitude thinks there are broken packages on the system. |
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| 16:40.53 | whitehorse1 | I'm using Sarge and I have the default kernel, with libgcrypt11-dev |
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| 16:42.04 | whitehorse1 | Hmm, at the mo I have the testing version of that package installed currently, though with the stable version available; even then it didn't insist I install a newer kernel. |
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| 16:42.21 | hmakholm | philbo: I think somehow you have gotten apt convinced that you don't want the kernel. Then it helpfully offers to uninstal it whenever you ask it to do *anything*. |
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| 16:42.44 | philbo | I don't think it's libgcrypt11-dev specifically, it wants to remove my kernel no matter what I try to install (and no, it doens't seem to suggest an alternative) |
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| 16:43.30 | joefso3__ | suse sucks |
| 16:43.33 | hmakholm | philbo: Have you started the interactive aptitude? |
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| 16:43.38 | whitehorse1 | Agreed, neither deps nor installed files of libgcrypt11-dev include anything like "yrcoloneldude!" :) |
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| 16:43.41 | philbo | how does apt know which kernel I want? It's just another package that I didn't ask to be removed so it should stay there. |
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| 16:43.54 | whitehorse1 | phildo: your kernel version =? |
| 16:43.58 | philbo | hmakholm: yeah, but I can't find libgcrypt11-dev in there, only libgcrypt11-dbg |
| 16:43.59 | hmakholm | philbo: It is just another package. |
| 16:44.03 | Jonk_ | hello, is there a command line for know whick packages can be updated like portversion -l "<" On freebsd ? |
| 16:44.05 | philbo | whitehorse1: 2.6.8 |
| 16:44.07 | ChristianP | whitehorse1, you where right: it was a wrong partition (the installer did it automatically, but evidently something was not right) |
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| 16:44.11 | ChristianP | whitehorse1, thanks |
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| 16:44.34 | hmakholm | philbo: The first step is to prevent it from wanting to remove the kernel. Does it show up as "to be removed" when you press 'g'? |
| 16:44.38 | whitehorse1 | ChristianP: No problem. Pleasure! :) Hopefully everyhing's working better now |
| 16:44.55 | hmakholm | philbo: (Careful not to press 'g' twice - that will start the action) |
| 16:45.13 | yam | I'm setting up LVS (some web front-ends) and raid is on an external unit, whats the best approach to mount that disk from every frontend? |
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| 16:45.50 | whitehorse1 | jonk: Er, there is in Debian, the apt get show versions package. I've never used FreeBDS though; try their website's knowledge base or IRC channels? |
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| 16:46.05 | philbo | hmakholm: well, it's not in that list... but that list is full of stuff I'd definitely like to keep, such as all of KDE |
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| 16:46.26 | Turgon | yam: I'd use a powerswitch, and heartbeat |
| 16:46.36 | myren | goodness gracious, i kept getting bounced to #debian-overflow |
| 16:46.37 | hmakholm | philbo: And they are all magenta (for "to be removed")? |
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| 16:46.48 | myren | even after IDENTIFY'ing with stupid fscking nickserv |
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| 16:47.24 | yam | turgon: powerswitch? never heard |
| 16:47.44 | Turgon | yam: it's a hardware device that allows one of the nodes to "kill" (i.e., switch off) the other one |
| 16:47.47 | Jonk_ | whitehorse1 : the apt-get show versions permits to compare with the apt sources to know which packages are old and must be updated ? |
| 16:48.01 | yam | turgon: hmmm you missunderstood |
| 16:48.06 | philbo | hmakholm: yeah, there's a whole long list of magenta ones, about a hundred or so |
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| 16:48.20 | yam | I need a set of servers which will share the web server load |
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| 16:48.38 | yam | but each of those servers is disk-less so they gotta mount remotely |
| 16:48.43 | hmakholm | philbo: Urgh. Well, what I would do was to try to press : (colon) on each of them to request that it be left untouched. |
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| 16:49.00 | Turgon | yam: I'm a bit confused; why did you mention the external raid unit, then? |
| 16:49.02 | hmakholm | philbo: Then aptitude will probably complain that something is broken, and you can investigate what it is. |
| 16:49.08 | shadukan | guys i have an .iso image and i want to burn it directly to usb |
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| 16:49.12 | shadukan | howty? |
| 16:49.13 | Turgon | yam: (I thought you needed shared disk space too) |
| 16:49.31 | yam | turgon: because disk space is on an external raid appliance, iscsi protocol |
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| 16:49.48 | whitehorse1 | jonk: basically, yep. you can search in the packages section on debian.org for apt-show-version for a fuller desc. |
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| 16:50.23 | Turgon | yam: ok, sorry, you're right |
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| 16:50.27 | philbo | hmakholm: should I see something happen when I press ':' on the magenta package? cause nothing does |
| 16:50.40 | Turgon | yam: I was thinking on exclusive access, but you need concurrent access from all the nodes, right? |
| 16:50.43 | hmakholm | philbo: It ought to change back to white-on-black... |
| 16:50.55 | yam | turgon: thats it bud |
| 16:50.58 | Jonk_ | whitehorse1 : Thx i will test it |
| 16:51.10 | whitehorse1 | kk |
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| 16:51.20 | Turgon | yam: then I'm afraid I can't help you O:-) (no experience with concurrent file systems) |
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| 16:51.25 | hmakholm | philbo: Otherwise, press + instead. That is a bit more forceful. |
| 16:51.30 | Turgon | yam: though I've heard that GFS is the thing to use in those cases |
| 16:51.30 | yam | turgon: tnx anyway |
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| 16:52.25 | philbo | hmakholm: ah. '+' changes is to black on cyan |
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| 16:52.44 | SimonRaven | yam: why not just do it from fstab? |
| 16:52.52 | hmakholm | philbo: Black on cyan means that it wants to upgrade. Do you have testing or unstable in your sources.list? |
| 16:52.52 | SimonRaven | KISS |
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| 16:53.12 | yam | simonraven: mounting same filesystem read-write from several servers? |
| 16:53.32 | SimonRaven | afs, nfsv4, etc. |
| 16:53.46 | philbo | hmakholm: yeah, testing. Is unstable more stable? ;-) |
| 16:53.53 | SimonRaven | hmmm |
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| 16:54.02 | shadukan | newbie |
| 16:54.02 | shadukan | guys here a newbie |
| 16:54.02 | shadukan | i have the netboot.iso and i want to copy it to a usb stick |
| 16:54.02 | shadukan | directly |
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| 16:54.06 | SimonRaven | ponders even |
| 16:54.25 | pngwn | shadukan, debian.org/doc |
| 16:55.07 | hmakholm | philbo: No it isn't, but the black-on-cyan then indicates that it wants to upgrade to the current testing version. That's ok if you're tracking testing otherwise. |
| 16:55.07 | whitehorse1 | Q) "If yr using a pre-built kernel..." (yessum, I am) "..you'll need to find out which versn of GCC was used to build it & make sure yr using same" How'd I find out which GCC ver was used to build my kernel please? 2.4x kernel version I believe. Sarge 3.1rv.a inc. both stable proposed-updates and testing (main, contrib, non-free) in sources.list - deliberately, if that makes an difference. Thanking you kindly. |
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| 16:55.10 | pedrolito59 | hi |
| 16:55.14 | pedrolito59 | I have a question |
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| 16:55.20 | Jonk_ | whitehorse1 : Thx i's exactly what i 'mlooking for Thanks very much |
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| 16:55.24 | SimonRaven | yam: does it have to be r/w? this is just a bunch of web servers, right? doesn't matter if they're r/w, unless you have those sites writing to the fs ... |
| 16:55.29 | whitehorse1 | Jonk: pleasure |
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| 16:55.49 | pedrolito59 | when I do "nc 192.168.0.1 80 < file.txt", I have to press CTRL+C to exit netcat |
| 16:55.53 | yam | simonraven: yeah... they do read-write |
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| 16:55.57 | pedrolito59 | how can I do to avoid that ? |
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| 16:56.03 | Turgon | yam: write is for logs, I guess? |
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| 16:56.07 | yam | simonraven: otherwise I'd go with ro ext3 |
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| 16:56.35 | yam | turgon: no... web server carry some applications that do intensive writing to disk |
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| 16:56.51 | whitehorse1 | pedrolito: the pipe to file thing should be a greater than sign by the way, > not < |
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| 16:57.03 | whitehorse1 | and no space after the arrow |
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| 16:57.47 | whitehorse1 | probably worth including a path. blah blah80 >/home/username/ncoutput.txt |
| 16:57.50 | pedrolito59 | whitehorse1: what would be the command so ? |
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| 16:58.09 | SimonRaven | well, iscsi is just netwroked scsi devices, more or less... only thing you have to worry about is concurrency of writes to the fses.... how to manage that easiset AFAIK would be to network mount them. yam: iscsi operates at what layer? |
| 16:58.15 | hmakholm | philbo: Anyway, I have to go get some food. Can anybody else help philbo unweird his apt(itude), please? |
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| 16:58.32 | whitehorse1 | nc 192.168.0.1.80 >/home/yourusername/ncoutput.txt |
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| 16:59.02 | whitehorse1 | is the 80 part of it it? you didn't include a period (.). Do you mean port 80? i.e. ...1:80 |
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| 16:59.11 | dieguito | hello, anybody using pybloxsom? |
| 16:59.15 | ma3x | hmakholm, you still there? |
| 16:59.26 | hmakholm | ma3x: Just about to leave. |
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| 16:59.35 | ma3x | hmakholm, it says your smtp server does not support PLAIN |
| 16:59.38 | SimonRaven | dieguito: i think they have a channel /msg chanserv list *blosxom* |
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| 16:59.51 | hmakholm | ma3x: What is "it"? |
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| 17:00.01 | ma3x | hmakholm, a msg from the isp's smtp server |
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| 17:00.09 | whitehorse1 | Question/request for help please "If yr using a pre-built kernel..." (yessum, I am) "..you'll need to find out which versn of GCC was used to build it & make sure yr using same" How'd I find out which GCC ver was used to build my kernel please? 2.4x kernel version I believe. Sarge 3.1rv.a inc. both stable proposed-updates and testing (main, contrib, non-free) in sources.list - deliberately, if that makes an difference. Thanking you kindly. |
| 17:00.13 | pedrolito59 | whitehorse1: your command does work ... it has written in the file |
| 17:00.18 | dieguito | SimonRaven, just blosxom... and i don't think they can help me with pyblosxom stuff |
| 17:00.21 | whitehorse1 | pedro: ok cool 8) |
| 17:00.23 | pedrolito59 | I want to send the content of the file |
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| 17:00.37 | SimonRaven | how about you ask first. |
| 17:00.43 | whitehorse1 | pedro: send? hmm? where? |
| 17:00.52 | Turgon | whitehorse1: do you have the dmesg of your kernel? There you should able to find which gcc was used |
| 17:00.55 | hmakholm | ma3x: That sounds quite strange. The ISP should not be concerned about *your* server. |
| 17:01.07 | dieguito | lol, empty |
| 17:01.09 | Turgon | whitehorse1: (try a "dmesg | grep -i gcc", if you're feeling lucky :-)) |
| 17:01.09 | hmakholm | ma3x: Where did you find that message? |
| 17:01.25 | whitehorse1 | Turgon: Regretfully my experience level ...ooh there's the command thanks! trying now :D |
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| 17:01.42 | SimonRaven | cat /proc/version |
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| 17:01.57 | whitehorse1 | woot :D |
| 17:02.07 | SimonRaven | why this grepping dmesg business... |
| 17:02.09 | Turgon | Indeed, that's quite easier :-) |
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| 17:03.05 | ma3x | hmakholm, i found out that my isp has 2 outgoing servers: mx.bluewin.ch and mail.bluewin.ch. the first one - i can't authenticate, and it doesn't work and the second one, no authentication is necessary. I tested this from kmail. So can we configure postfix not to use any authentication and to use mail.bluewin.ch? |
| 17:03.15 | whitehorse1 | Linux version 2.4.27-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-8)) #1 Tue Aug 16. -- So GCC version 3.3.6. Cool. Ty. |
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| 17:03.40 | whitehorse1 | Or... 1.3.3.6-8 :/ confused |
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| 17:03.55 | Turgon | whitehorse1: it's 3.3.6 |
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| 17:04.01 | TwistedEmotions | Hahaha I just posted a advertisement on Craigslist offering weed in return for a computer... |
| 17:04.03 | SimonRaven | no, 1: is epoch |
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| 17:04.12 | Turgon | whitehorse1: the rest is Debian packaging stuff, you shouldn't have to worry too much about that |
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| 17:04.24 | ChristianP | another question: i install the system on a eide disk, the system has a SCSI disk in which i want to make backups. Have i to mount it or it's still mounted somewhere? |
| 17:04.29 | whitehorse1 | Sweet thnks for clarifying, both. |
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| 17:04.54 | at0m|c | ChristianP, try 'mount' |
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| 17:05.20 | at0m|c | is it listed? then it's mounted... if not, man mount |
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| 17:05.40 | hmakholm | ma3x: Sure. Change the default transport to point to mail.bluewin.ch, and then remove the authentification settings. |
| 17:06.01 | ChristianP | at0m|c, thanks, it's not listed, so ihave to insert it in fstab, isn't it? |
| 17:06.03 | ma3x | hmakholm, should this be relayhost = mx.bluewin.ch ? |
| 17:06.05 | ma3x | or empty? |
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| 17:06.55 | mlopes | hi, is there a way to force apt-get to ignore dependencies? |
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| 17:07.13 | hmakholm | ma3x: You can either set default_transport or relayhost; either ought to work. |
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| 17:07.31 | dothebart | hy... |
| 17:07.47 | hmakholm | mlopes: No, but you can download .debs manually and install them with dpkg --force-xxx. Use at your own risk. |
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| 17:07.58 | AciD | hi |
| 17:08.08 | mlopes | hmakholm: ok thks |
| 17:08.10 | hmakholm | mlopes: Also see equivs. |
| 17:08.16 | mlopes | php5 packages are driving me crazy |
| 17:08.18 | AciD | do you know a good app which simulate a chronometer ? |
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| 17:08.29 | AciD | a debian one of course |
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| 17:08.39 | Turgon | AciD: try "apt-cache search chronometer", that should tell you |
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| 17:08.57 | AciD | already did that in synaptic |
| 17:09.04 | ma3x | hmakholm, works splendid with mail.bluewin.ch! |
| 17:09.06 | AciD | didn't find anything interresting |
| 17:09.17 | cahoot | AciD: stopwatch or what? |
| 17:09.25 | hmakholm | ma3x: Congratulations! |
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| 17:09.39 | whitehorse1 | Or try google.com/linux and search that way |
| 17:09.46 | ma3x | hmakholm, thank you very very much! |
| 17:09.49 | whitehorse1 | what he said ^ |
| 17:09.51 | ma3x | hmakholm, one more question |
| 17:10.02 | Turgon | google.com/linux? Didn't know that :-) |
| 17:10.13 | paulswm | AciD: Couldn't resist this answer to your question: http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/%7Eyugo/storage/monocrafts_ver3/03/index.html |
| 17:10.14 | hmakholm | ma3x: Has to be quick. Need food now. |
| 17:10.17 | SimonRaven | they have one for /mac and /windows too |
| 17:10.25 | ma3x | hmakholm, kmail adds always the sent-to-email addresses to the address book. even the wrong ones. How can i delete them? |
| 17:10.26 | at0m|c | ChristianP, for it to mount automatically, yes |
| 17:10.43 | ma3x | hmakholm, me 2, it's 17 pm here, didn't eat since yesterday |
| 17:10.46 | hmakholm | ma3x: I'm completely ignorant about kmail. Sorry. |
| 17:10.59 | ma3x | hmakholm, okay, bon apetit! |
| 17:11.04 | SimonRaven | kmail is a lot like thunderbird |
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| 17:11.25 | ma3x | SimonRaven, you know how to remove those autocomplete forms (email addresses) ? |
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| 17:11.30 | rjarl | hi all |
| 17:11.39 | rjarl | compiling kernel I got this error: http://pastebin.com/356238 |
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| 17:11.43 | SimonRaven | ma3x: should be in your prefs for it |
| 17:11.47 | rjarl | what does it mena? |
| 17:11.49 | rjarl | mean |
| 17:12.07 | Turgon | ma3x: try right-mouse-button on "To" input box |
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| 17:12.13 | paulswm | AciD: Just kidding of course, but I love that clock |
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| 17:12.22 | Turgon | ma3x: that should bring up a menu with an option of "Edit recent addresses" (or something alike) |
| 17:12.39 | Turgon | ma3x: there you can erase those addresses that you don't want there |
| 17:13.01 | rjarl | well it's a warning a |
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| 17:13.34 | psyklops | is there an easy way to see the lay of what packages depend on what? I'm thinking tree diagram. The reason I'd want this is that I want to remove things that aren't used (but may also have something depending on them, that I also don't want). My usual method for this is to spend lots of time in synaptic just clicking "remove completely" on any package I don't think I want and seeing if anything depends on it that I do want. |
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| 17:14.00 | Turgon | psyklops: not the answer to your question, but look packages "deborphan" and "cruft" |
| 17:14.10 | Turgon | psyklops: those are useful when trying to clean up a system |
| 17:14.15 | ma3x | Turgon, thanks a lot that helps. Though, Isn't there a way to turn off the autocomplete feature? |
| 17:14.26 | Turgon | ma3x: no idea, I'm quite a newbie with KMail |
| 17:14.45 | psyklops | I've heard of deborphan, and when I used it, it doesn't clean up anything. I can manually find things that have nothing depending on them and deborphan doesn't find them. Thanks though |
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| 17:14.59 | psyklops | As for cruft.... googling |
| 17:15.19 | Turgon | psyklops: isn't cruft in Debian? I thought it was, but maybe it was time ago |
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| 17:15.38 | psyklops | probably is, but it's not like every user can possibly know of every program |
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| 17:15.50 | psyklops | every user being me :) |
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| 17:16.10 | Turgon | psyklops: well, I said it because you might want to try "apt-cache search cruft" before googling :-) |
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| 17:16.30 | psyklops | well, that wouldn't be very descriptive... "removes cruft from your system" |
| 17:16.35 | psyklops | or something |
| 17:16.38 | psyklops | I'd want details |
| 17:16.48 | Turgon | psyklops: and "apt-cache show cruft"? (that shows the description of the package) |
| 17:16.48 | theDark_ | does anybody know, how i get working a ALI SATA PCI Controller on Debian Sarge?, in lspci it is listed as unknown mass storage controller |
| 17:16.51 | SimonRaven | apt-cach show <package name> |
| 17:16.56 | SimonRaven | er, cache* |
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| 17:17.06 | ma3x | can anybody help me with ddclient? |
| 17:17.15 | psyklops | it would show the externals of it, I'm curious of the internals. |
| 17:17.21 | Turgon | ma3x: I'm afraid I don't even know what it is O:-) |
| 17:17.28 | Turgon | psyklops: oh, ok |
| 17:17.31 | ma3x | Turgon, client for dyndns .... |
| 17:17.40 | deadcat | ma3x: doesnt work behind a router. |
| 17:17.50 | ma3x | deadcat, yeah, thats what i was wondering. tHnaks! |
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| 17:19.54 | SimonRaven | oh yes it does. just have to RTFM for it |
| 17:20.13 | deadcat | SimonRaven: no freakin way! |
| 17:20.16 | SimonRaven | (ddclient) |
| 17:20.26 | SimonRaven | only one that will in fact, IIRC |
| 17:20.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: is a whore. |
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| 17:20.38 | ChristianP | is there a "wizard" to configure network? I edited interfaces but it says there's an error and i can't find it. |
| 17:20.40 | deadcat | )=. why do i always have to be the whore? |
| 17:20.50 | deadcat | SimonRaven: noip can as well |
| 17:20.59 | SimonRaven | because you're an easy target? ;) |
| 17:21.02 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 17:21.06 | deadcat | )= |
| 17:21.19 | SimonRaven | i'm j/k dude |
| 17:21.23 | tax0n | Can anyone suggest how to set up a floppy on thinkpad running deb? |
| 17:21.28 | deadcat | i am chaning my target once i finish my school work |
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| 17:21.44 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: cause your good at it? I mean... Im a whore too. But your natural talent. |
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| 17:21.53 | theDark_ | got somebody working a SATA PCI Controller, yet? |
| 17:21.55 | green_earz | ChristianP: to congig your network eth apt-get etherconf |
| 17:22.00 | SimonRaven | "you're" |
| 17:22.06 | TwistedEmotions | dammit. |
| 17:22.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. |
| 17:22.09 | paulswm | SimonRaven: Careful or someone will be trying to get you kicked out :P |
| 17:22.15 | TwistedEmotions | Am I ever going to learn to spell? |
| 17:22.30 | SimonRaven | TwistedEmotions: well, could be worse. |
| 17:22.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahaha like that? figure maybe a crackhead will hook it up |
| 17:22.38 | green_earz | ChristianP: apt-cache show etherconf |
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| 17:22.43 | rjarl | i just purchased a wireless pci DLINK DWL-G520+ |
| 17:22.44 | TwistedEmotions | SimonRaven: ;) |
| 17:22.49 | paulswm | Glad to see things look a bit more normal today |
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| 17:22.51 | rjarl | anyone have it? |
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| 17:22.58 | xwolf | rjarl: yes |
| 17:22.59 | SimonRaven | at least from what i've seen, you're not an asshole. that counts for a lot more :) |
| 17:23.01 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: that post still havent been deleted by admins? |
| 17:23.14 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I posted like 20 minutes ago... |
| 17:23.14 | rjarl | xwolf, what drivers are you using? |
| 17:23.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: AHHAHAHAH |
| 17:23.23 | rjarl | I'm using driverloader |
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| 17:23.24 | xwolf | rjarl: well, the acx100 |
| 17:23.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I also dont really SAY what I am trading for.. it's just implied |
| 17:23.36 | xwolf | driverloader? |
| 17:23.42 | rjarl | [xwolf] I tried that but doesn't works |
| 17:23.51 | SimonRaven | TwistedEmotions: grey area, eh? heh |
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| 17:24.07 | rjarl | driverloader: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader |
| 17:24.10 | TwistedEmotions | SimonRaven: haha ;) that's where I live ;) |
| 17:24.15 | xwolf | rjarl: oh, that crap |
| 17:24.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: good luck (= |
| 17:24.16 | rjarl | it's like ndiswrapper |
| 17:24.18 | paulswm | I need a cool name for a postgresql nutrition and diet analysis database which I am developing |
| 17:24.20 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: thanks ;) |
| 17:24.24 | xwolf | rjarl: yes, i know :) |
| 17:24.27 | rjarl | but paying |
| 17:24.32 | xwolf | rjarl: what doesn't work? |
| 17:24.32 | rjarl | :-( |
| 17:24.38 | xwolf | rjarl: with acx100 |
| 17:24.39 | rjarl | anything |
| 17:24.40 | Turgon | paulswm: "devourer"? ;-) |
| 17:24.55 | rjarl | with acx100 I download, untar and make all, make install |
| 17:24.59 | rjarl | modprobe |
| 17:25.02 | xwolf | rjarl: i recommend the acx100 userlist, they are friendly and helpful ;) |
| 17:25.04 | streuner | deadcat: does 'Out of Memory' are those bugs (gallery 1)? |
| 17:25.05 | rjarl | and still no wlan |
| 17:25.13 | paulswm | Turgon: Heh, that sounds more like a role playing game |
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| 17:25.31 | deadcat | streuner: not sure. but lots of... |
| 17:25.33 | Turgon | paulswm: taken from "Demon: The Fallen", in fact O:-) |
| 17:25.33 | TwistedEmotions | Errrr... bash upgrade is trying to replace " ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation."... I dont want to do that right? |
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| 17:25.39 | paulswm | Heh |
| 17:25.43 | samuel | how do i add a user to a group? |
| 17:25.52 | Turgon | samuel: adduser user group |
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| 17:25.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: which file? |
| 17:25.59 | TwistedEmotions | Configuration file `/etc/skel/.bashrc' I mean.. it's trying to replace tat |
| 17:26.04 | TwistedEmotions | *that |
| 17:26.09 | samuel | Turgon, if i add myself to the cdrom group will i be able to mount a cd without root? |
| 17:26.17 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: N. because you did some changes to it. |
| 17:26.22 | Turgon | samuel: depends on the setup of fstab, but most probably yes |
| 17:26.23 | TwistedEmotions | I dont want to replace that do I.. |
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| 17:26.25 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 17:26.26 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
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| 17:26.33 | Turgon | samuel: try and see, that's the best way to know :-) |
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| 17:26.46 | xwolf | rjarl: are you sure u have an acx100? dlink is fameous for changing the used chips without notice |
| 17:26.51 | samuel | Turgon, :) thanks |
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| 17:27.22 | rjarl | lspci doen't lie |
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| 17:27.31 | rjarl | xD |
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| 17:28.21 | xwolf | rjarl: well, it can only tell what the pci controller on the card is telling it |
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| 17:28.39 | rjarl | ryes |
| 17:28.40 | abrotman | my card is a bastard liar! |
| 17:28.42 | nokio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:28.50 | rjarl | wat can I do to be really sure? |
| 17:28.54 | xwolf | rjarl: but then it should work basically :) |
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| 17:28.57 | rjarl | xD |
| 17:28.58 | rjarl | oks |
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| 17:29.02 | xwolf | rjarl: nothing |
| 17:29.04 | Turgon | nokio: not easily, but try "expect" |
| 17:29.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hows your X looking lately? screenshots? |
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| 17:29.16 | Turgon | nokio: you could do something with it that resembles what you want |
| 17:29.17 | karma1^ | I know this is a dumb question, but... I just installled the latest stable version via netinst and was wondering how to ge to the desktop/gui from the console? Whenever I boot up into it, it goes straight to the prompt |
| 17:29.18 | xwolf | rjarl: next time buy a card from a decent manufacturer and not dlink |
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| 17:29.28 | abrotman | hey .. i like dlink stuff .. works well |
| 17:29.30 | rjarl | yes, well |
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| 17:29.37 | rjarl | I got to choose |
| 17:29.42 | rjarl | conceptronics |
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| 17:29.44 | xwolf | abrotman: i have a lot of dlink stuff, nothing works ;) |
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| 17:29.47 | Greek0 | hi |
| 17:29.47 | rjarl | dlink |
| 17:29.47 | Turgon | karma1^: silly question: did you install any desktop? (it's not done by default) |
| 17:29.50 | abrotman | karma1^: which GUI would you like? |
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| 17:29.51 | rjarl | I can change it |
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| 17:29.59 | rjarl | any recomendation? |
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| 17:30.03 | abrotman | xwolf: all mine works .. you got ripped .. |
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| 17:30.21 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha... some guy is selling 8 pentium chips @ 90mhz for 5$ for all of them. |
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| 17:30.28 | karma1^ | since I was never prompted, I'm assuming no, I didnt install one, but i'd like gnome |
| 17:30.34 | xwolf | abrotman: i have a di514 and di624, both have so buggy firmwares, it hurts |
| 17:30.35 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: imagine a beowulf .. bah |
| 17:30.46 | xwolf | dhcp wasnt working for 2 years until they fixed it |
| 17:30.47 | Greek0 | I'm trying to install debian via netboot on a sparcstation5, but I can't find netboot images. anyone has ideas where to get one? |
| 17:30.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: those are collector's item now |
| 17:30.50 | abrotman | xwolf: di is desktop PCI cards? |
| 17:30.58 | Turgon | karma1^: Ok, then do an "apt-get install gnome" and wait for a long download :-) |
| 17:30.59 | xwolf | no, the wireless broadband routers |
| 17:31.00 | abrotman | karma1^: apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm |
| 17:31.04 | SimonRaven | karma1^: apt-get install gnome x-window-system-core |
| 17:31.05 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: you could buy a motherboard with 8 CPU slots... |
| 17:31.12 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: not for P90 |
| 17:31.18 | philbo | How do I set the APT::Force-LoopBreak option? |
| 17:31.19 | Greek0 | rarpd, bootp and tftpd work fine, just the damn netboot image for sparc is missing |
| 17:31.19 | xwolf | rjarl: what chip is in the conceptronics? |
| 17:31.21 | TwistedEmotions | then your have like a 200mhz computer.. |
| 17:31.24 | abrotman | i'm not sure PI was SMP capable |
| 17:31.27 | TwistedEmotions | *you'de |
| 17:31.29 | abrotman | wait .. it was |
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| 17:31.32 | deadcat | philbo: /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 17:31.37 | rjarl | txwolf, I don't really know |
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| 17:31.45 | rjarl | I cn't open it |
| 17:31.46 | philbo | deadcat: thanks |
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| 17:31.53 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: that motherboard would cost like 400$... |
| 17:32.01 | rjarl | but 14€ difference makes me decide |
| 17:32.01 | TwistedEmotions | if it even exists. |
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| 17:32.05 | abrotman | or $.40 |
| 17:32.08 | rjarl | dlink is only 30€ |
| 17:32.10 | karma1^ | lol, 3 people said 3 different commands, which 1 is it? =) apt-get install gnome, apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm, or apt-get install gnome x-window-system-core\ |
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| 17:32.16 | rjarl | conceptronics for 44€ |
| 17:32.17 | rjarl | xD |
| 17:32.17 | abrotman | karma1^: apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm |
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| 17:32.28 | karma1^ | ahh kk, thanks, appreciate iot |
| 17:32.35 | Turgon | karma1^: the one that abrotman said installs gnome and the X-Window system, which you'll need too |
| 17:32.38 | abrotman | karma1^: it will get perhaps more stuff than you need .. but as long as you have broadband .. nto a problem |
| 17:32.49 | Turgon | I thought gnome depended on it by default, but it seems it doesn't :-) |
| 17:32.57 | TwistedEmotions | Is gnome required for gui install? |
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| 17:33.06 | abrotman | Turgon: gnome does not .. remote gnome apps are good sometimes |
| 17:33.13 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Gui install? |
| 17:33.19 | Turgon | abrotman: yes, I realized when you wrote it |
| 17:33.21 | xwolf | rjarl: have you read http://acx100.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 17:33.25 | FlimFlamMan | hello. trying to set up a printer in sarge. printing to it gives "DMA write time out." any suggestions? |
| 17:33.28 | abrotman | Turgon: i get a candy bar? |
| 17:33.30 | TwistedEmotions | you know what I mean... for a working gui. |
| 17:33.33 | karma1^ | whitehorse1: if you're still around, just wanted to thank you. The commands u gave me before worked like a charm |
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| 17:33.40 | jdhutchin1 | I'm having a problem with my screensaver, after about 10min or so, it just freezes, 3d or not |
| 17:33.44 | FlimFlamMan | it's on the local parallel port, btw |
| 17:33.45 | Turgon | abrotman: not quite. Try again later :-) |
| 17:33.51 | jdhutchin1 | the image is still there, it just doesn't move |
| 17:33.56 | jdhutchin1 | I can still wake it up though |
| 17:34.00 | abrotman | jdhutchin1: turn off the screensaver? |
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| 17:34.31 | jdhutchin1 | I'd like to have a screensaver, it's nifty, but I don't know why it keeps stopping |
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| 17:34.32 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: What would that be called? Gui install right? I mean... xorg install? |
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| 17:35.05 | Turgon | jdhutchin1: I recall mine does the same, so in case you find out, share it :-) |
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| 17:35.17 | abrotman | jdhutchin1: bugs.debian.org/xscreensaver ? |
| 17:35.22 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: If you just install Gnome, you will _not_ get X, so will _not_ get a GUI on that computer. The only thing you _need_ is x-window-system-core; all the rest is optional. :) |
| 17:35.42 | jdhutchin1 | abrotman, I had googled for it, but didn't seem to find anything, I'll check again |
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| 17:35.52 | Turgon | resiak: optional, yes, but you have to be a hell of a tough guy to use just twm :-) |
| 17:36.07 | paulswm | Turgon: Quick tale, your remark reminded me: about 30 yrs ago someone wrote a tool for the Univac 1100 mainframes with which you could edit physical mass storage locations, very dangerous in the wrong hands. He called it FANG whcih supposedly was an acronym but was actually the name of his cat. The first page of his documentation included "Programming without FANG is like watchmaking without a hammer." |
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| 17:36.32 | resiak | Turgon: Hell, x-w-s-core doesn't even have twm I don't think. |
| 17:36.32 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: Ahh. KK. Yeah... that's what I said.. Kinda ;) Not really ;( |
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| 17:36.36 | marcelk | hi |
| 17:36.38 | abrotman | jdhutchin1: like this ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=273180 |
| 17:36.40 | at0m|c | Turgon, the installer will tell you if an application has dependencies |
| 17:36.44 | marcelk | how can I see the system boot messages? |
| 17:36.58 | Turgon | paulswm: well, having file types that are called "ELF" and "DWARF" (quite old, IIRC), it makes you suppose people name things in the most bizarre ways ;-) |
| 17:37.02 | marcelk | I saw an error about xprint, cannot find it again |
| 17:37.12 | Turgon | at0m|c: yes, it should |
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| 17:37.39 | Turgon | marcelk: if you have enable bootlog, try /var/log/boot |
| 17:37.44 | jdhutchin1 | abrotman, no- the image just freezes after about 10min or so, but it will still wake up when I move the mouse |
| 17:37.50 | Turgon | *enabled, I mean |
| 17:37.52 | paulswm | Turgon: Indeed, but I especially loved the "watchmaking wihout a hammer" note. |
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| 17:38.14 | marcelk | Turgon, how do i enable this? |
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| 17:38.28 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: jdhutchin1 <--video card overheating/problem? |
| 17:38.30 | Turgon | paulswm: related to that, a guy I know said that computers lost their charm when you stopped fixing them without a 2x4 :-) |
| 17:38.36 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: doubtful |
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| 17:38.46 | Turgon | with, I mean |
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| 17:38.55 | jdhutchin1 | TwistedEmotions, no, it freezes for hacks that aren't 3d as well |
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| 17:39.20 | sempai | cya |
| 17:39.23 | TwistedEmotions | Ahhh kk. |
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| 17:39.51 | at0m|c | jdhutchin1, without screensaver, does your screen blank after that time? |
| 17:39.55 | paulswm | Turgon: Heh, very good. I feel lucky to have started in the days of teletypes, valves and paper tape i/o, it seems so quaint looking back on it now. |
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| 17:40.01 | jdhutchin1 | at0m|c, hmm, don't know |
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| 17:40.19 | jdhutchin1 | I guess I should probably stop using the term "freezes" because I can still wake up from it |
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| 17:41.03 | Turgon | paulswm: sorry in advance for the comment, but then you're OLD ;-) |
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| 17:41.24 | paulswm | Turgon: Wrote my first program in 1968 at 17 :) |
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| 17:41.32 | Turgon | paulswm: damn |
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| 17:41.46 | SimonRaven | what, 'hello'? ;p |
| 17:41.49 | Turgon | paulswm: I wasn't even born then, and I'm feeling old quite often :-) |
| 17:41.52 | abrotman | paulswm: You and Barney .. down at the quarry? :) |
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| 17:42.34 | TwistedEmotions | jdhutchin1: HAve you checked the settings? |
| 17:42.37 | McScruff | lo, im still having trouble booting kde on debian |
| 17:42.40 | FlimFlamMan | i'm unable to print to my parallel port printer - i get "DMA write timed out" errors. any suggestions? |
| 17:42.49 | Turgon | McScruff: what problem? |
| 17:42.53 | jdhutchin1 | TwistedEmotions, what setting? I don't know of a setting to just stop the screensaver and leave the last image on the screen |
| 17:42.53 | TwistedEmotions | jdhutchin1: There is a "Black After" option and it defaults to 10 minutes. |
| 17:42.59 | McScruff | failed to initilize core devices |
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| 17:43.10 | paulswm | SimonRaven: Just a table of the squares and cubes of the first 500 integers, took quite some time to run, you could watch the console blinkenlights stepping through the loop :) Machine was a Ferranti Sirius. |
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| 17:43.16 | nico8481 | hi |
| 17:43.33 | SimonRaven | yikes. |
| 17:43.43 | TwistedEmotions | jdhutchin1: Or maybe "Cycle After" setting... that also defaults to 10 minutes... Could be either of those settings tripping it up. |
| 17:43.44 | Turgon | McScruff: hmmm. No ideat at first glance of what it could be :-m |
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| 17:43.49 | FlimFlamMan | i wrote an N-body gravity simulation in basic on a commmodore 64 that took 22 hours to run |
| 17:43.50 | ufoalien | cool, my playstation 2 runs linux |
| 17:44.04 | gridline | Hi, any pointers to whats the problem with apache2 and mod_perl2 ? |
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| 17:44.21 | abrotman | gridline: more specific? |
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| 17:44.39 | paulswm | Turgon: If we have gone from transistors and paper tape i/o in my programming life so far, it's difficult to imagine what things will be like when you become a geezer like me :) |
| 17:44.47 | Turgon | McScruff: do you have an ".xsession-errors" at your home directory? Maybe there you can see some error message |
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| 17:45.20 | Turgon | paulswm: I'm betting on quantum computers, but mostly because I like the term "quantum computers" :-) |
| 17:45.25 | jdhutchin1 | TwistedEmotions, I've changed that now, will have to wait and see if it still chokes up |
| 17:45.27 | gridline | Hmm, I thought it was ageneral thing. If you upgrade you can an error sayign he can't find the function boot in Apache2::Contants.pm It only happens after upgrading to very recent versions |
| 17:45.31 | Turgon | paulswm: though I understand what you mean |
| 17:45.39 | TwistedEmotions | jdhutchin1: just set them to 1 minute.. |
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| 17:45.46 | gridline | s/2// |
| 17:45.49 | Turgon | paulswm: young people I know look at me funny when I speak to them about my Spectrum 48k :-) |
| 17:45.54 | TwistedEmotions | jdhutchin1: that way you can tell if it's the problem or not |
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| 17:46.41 | paulswm | Turgon: We already have quantum software, results change depending on whether you are observing it or not :) (I mean, bugs don't bug when you're watching for them) |
| 17:47.02 | Turgon | paulswm: quite true, indeed :-) |
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| 17:47.16 | laurens_ | hi. |
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| 17:47.23 | laurens_ | what's the easiest way to figure out what address my parport is at? |
| 17:47.25 | jdhutchin1 | TwistedEmotions, nope, that's not the problem- it cycles to the next one correctly |
| 17:47.26 | laurens_ | I only have one. |
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| 17:47.31 | laurens_ | It's an x86 box. |
| 17:47.38 | streuner | laurens_: dmesg |
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| 17:47.45 | laurens_ | dmesg is pretty silent |
| 17:47.49 | ma3x | hi, can i specify crontab on every half minute? |
| 17:47.49 | laurens_ | I've grepped it for parport |
| 17:47.59 | Turgon | laurens_: try /var/log/kern.log |
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| 17:48.02 | laurens_ | ok |
| 17:48.08 | TwistedEmotions | jdhutchin1: ;( Sorry man... Only things I could think of... |
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| 17:48.34 | laurens_ | that looks like dmesg |
| 17:48.37 | laurens_ | anyway same results |
| 17:48.45 | laurens_ | no parport messages |
| 17:48.49 | laurens_ | (grepped for parport) |
| 17:48.53 | Yokalosh | what is the command to reconfigure the xfree86 xserver? |
| 17:48.53 | laurens_ | and port mind you |
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| 17:49.15 | streuner | laruens_: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 17:49.50 | Turgon | laurens_: are you using parport modules, or is the support compiled-in directly into the kernel? |
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| 17:49.56 | laurens_ | Turgon: module |
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| 17:50.02 | laurens_ | I have already removed it and put it back in |
| 17:50.09 | laurens_ | nothing in 'dmesg|tail' |
| 17:50.11 | cahoot | laurens_: look in /proc/ioports - any parport there? |
| 17:50.12 | Yokalosh | what is the command for reconfiguring the xserver? |
| 17:50.17 | Yokalosh | please |
| 17:50.18 | ma3x | */0,5 * * * * <- will this work for every half minute? |
| 17:50.25 | plb | cool gnome 2.12 should be released tommorow |
| 17:50.29 | streuner | Yokalosh: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 17:50.33 | Turgon | laurens_: you have parport and parport_pc, right? |
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| 17:51.00 | Turgon | Yokalosh: you can use xf86cfg, for example |
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| 17:51.31 | streuner | Turgon: xf86cfg is NOT the debian way to setup your videocard |
| 17:51.38 | Turgon | streuner: yes, yes, I know |
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| 17:51.44 | Turgon | streuner: but it's the one I use, so ... O:-) |
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| 17:52.13 | green_earz | Yokalosh: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 17:52.43 | streuner | Yokalosh: do you have xorg installed? |
| 17:52.50 | laurens_ | rofl |
| 17:52.53 | laurens_ | forgot parporT_pc |
| 17:52.55 | laurens_ | thanks Turgon ! |
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| 17:53.02 | Turgon | laurens_: you're welcome :-) |
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| 17:54.08 | paulswm | streuner: unsure if you got my msg |
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| 17:55.06 | fken | hello |
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| 17:55.30 | fken | someone here know cdrdao for amd64 ? |
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| 17:56.36 | Greek0 | I'm trying to netboot a sparcstation 5 using the sparc32 netboot image from <http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status>. Sadly I get an error once the image is transfered: http://paste.debian.net/1816 |
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| 17:56.48 | Greek0 | Any ideas what I might be doing rong? |
| 17:56.55 | TwistedEmotions | wtf? why did I get kicked to #debian-overflow |
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| 17:57.21 | fken | whats the channel of the amd64 user ? |
| 17:57.22 | TwistedEmotions | basterd bots... |
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| 17:57.42 | syntaxx | TwistedEmotions: its because you're here already |
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| 17:57.54 | TwistedEmotions | TwistedEmotions: Huh? |
| 17:57.59 | TwistedEmotions | Hahahah |
| 17:58.01 | Mxyzpltk | fken: debian-amd64 |
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| 17:58.11 | TwistedEmotions | syntaxx: what? You mean I was ghosting? |
| 17:58.13 | fken | ty |
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| 17:58.50 | vorlon | Greek0: that looks like a hardware failure to me |
| 17:58.50 | syntaxx | TwistedEmotions: no.. when you are already in #debian and bein idle on #debian-overflow bot will kick u |
| 17:58.54 | green_earz | Greek0: did you md5sum the image ? |
| 17:59.16 | TwistedEmotions | Oh.. whatever. I'm over it. |
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| 17:59.30 | Greek0 | vorlon: uhm why? |
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| 17:59.35 | TwistedEmotions | It was probably abrotman's fault... most things are. |
| 17:59.46 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: what was? |
| 17:59.50 | vorlon | Greek0: also, "http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status" doesn't help anyone know which image you're using -- as you can clearly see there is more than one image there... |
| 17:59.51 | fken | Mxyzpltk>they are sleeping there |
| 17:59.52 | Greek0 | solaris which seems to be preinstalled boots fine |
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| 17:59.59 | TwistedEmotions | Me going to #debian-overflow |
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| 18:00.04 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: ^^^\ |
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| 18:00.11 | fken | Mxyzpltk>:D |
| 18:00.18 | vorlon | Greek0: because "IDPROM" refers to hardware |
| 18:00.20 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: it happens .. blame the bots |
| 18:00.38 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Errr... You're not a bot? |
| 18:00.48 | Greek0 | vorlon: I've tried the rc3 netboot image and the latest snapshot (2.6 version) |
| 18:00.51 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: Dunno, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 18:01.04 | abrotman | Greek0: sparc? |
| 18:01.06 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 18:01.14 | vorlon | Greek0: yeah, the rc3 netboot image definitely worked on my SS5. |
| 18:01.17 | Greek0 | abrotman: yep, sparcstation 5 |
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| 18:01.36 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: cant remember... did you go to linux expo? |
| 18:01.42 | abrotman | Greek0: did you read the warnings for the day about the daily? |
| 18:01.45 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: nope |
| 18:01.48 | Turgon | Greek0: could it be a cable problem? (just guessing) |
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| 18:02.03 | abrotman | Greek0: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerToday .. in particular "[1 Aug 05] sparc netboot image needs to be passed ramdisk_size=16000 to boot properly" |
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| 18:02.12 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: they had made a computer out of a toaster... was funny. |
| 18:02.16 | abrotman | Greek0: that may not be your problem .. but it could be .. |
| 18:02.19 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: on /. |
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| 18:02.35 | TwistedEmotions | Heh? |
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| 18:03.14 | Turgon | Ok, time for me to leave |
| 18:03.16 | Turgon | Bye, folks :-) |
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| 18:03.51 | abrotman | Greek0: it was just an idea .. i didn't lastlog you to see the issue .. sorry |
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| 18:04.06 | vorlon | abrotman: see his paste; it dies way before any kernel args are parsed, and he also tried the sarge version. |
| 18:04.08 | me_here | i have problems mounting my cdrom device /dev/hdc (it's a dvd player) when i want to use xine |
| 18:04.15 | abrotman | vorlon: i see now |
| 18:04.30 | abrotman | battery dead for sparc? |
| 18:04.40 | fken | hello abrotman |
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| 18:04.47 | abrotman | hi? |
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| 18:05.21 | TwistedEmotions | fken: I dont get a hi? |
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| 18:05.48 | TwistedEmotions | I guess not. |
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| 18:05.50 | TwistedEmotions | ;( |
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| 18:06.03 | fken | TwistedEmotions>sorry sorry... but anyway you were busy by insulting server bots ... |
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| 18:06.12 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 18:06.13 | fken | TwistedEmotions>Hello you !!! |
| 18:06.19 | TwistedEmotions | !hi |
| 18:06.19 | dpkg | hello, twistedemotions |
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| 18:06.26 | TwistedEmotions | Errr that didnt work. |
| 18:06.30 | abrotman | fken: how are you today? |
| 18:06.32 | fken | !hi TwistedEmotions |
| 18:06.32 | dpkg | Many greetings, TwistedEmotions, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
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| 18:06.33 | whitehorse1|away | How do I download the kernel sources without it compiling the kernel via synaptic; it's doing more than I want it to |
| 18:06.34 | paulswm | TwistedEmotions: I've been bounced to overflow every time I've tried to join over the past few days, it isn't just you :) |
| 18:06.43 | whitehorse1|away | *kernel source, rather |
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| 18:07.00 | TwistedEmotions | paulswm: Maybe your evil... the bots know it but you dont? |
| 18:07.04 | mage | apt-get download? source? |
| 18:07.04 | blub | any ideas on why my hard drive is being set to udma2 when it supports udma5? (I have both VIA and AMD chipset support built into the kernel and those are what are on my mother board.) |
| 18:07.05 | fken | abrotman>i just discover stinkypete... what do you know about that ? |
| 18:07.17 | paulswm | TwistedEmotions: Naah, I know that I'm evil :) |
| 18:07.22 | abrotman | you know your linux sucks when you `man -k mail` and it says nothing appropriate |
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| 18:07.29 | abrotman | fken: i know IAPF pete |
| 18:07.35 | Greek0 | thanks vorlon, abrotman.. will check that |
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| 18:07.40 | TwistedEmotions | paulswm: hahaha... well that problems fixed... just switch to evil kernel... should work fine after that. |
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| 18:07.51 | fken | abrotman>APF ? |
| 18:07.52 | abrotman | Greek0: you could also ask #debiansparc or #debian-sparc |
| 18:07.55 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 18:07.56 | dpkg | i heard iapf is It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 18:08.00 | abrotman | fken: but it's down! |
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| 18:08.45 | jaime_ | ubuntu channel in spanish, please ??? |
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| 18:08.50 | caphuso | oops |
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| 18:08.55 | fken | abrotman>stinkypete is a source for the apt and i just discover cdrdao is inside |
| 18:09.06 | abrotman | fken: ah ok |
| 18:09.12 | TwistedEmotions | Ubuntu in spanish is going to have like 2 users... |
| 18:09.13 | abrotman | fken: i only know IAPF |
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| 18:09.24 | TwistedEmotions | jaime_: Ask in #ubuntu |
| 18:09.36 | jaime_ | sorry |
| 18:09.41 | asg | caphuso: :) |
| 18:09.45 | TwistedEmotions | jaime_: GUESS #ubuntu-es ? |
| 18:09.48 | rainmaker | what is the latest stable version of debian? |
| 18:09.52 | green_earz | hello all, if i do a base install with a amd64 image on amd64 machine. can the normal debian mirrors be used ? |
| 18:09.55 | jaime_ | do you know about some channels about linux in spanish, please ?? |
| 18:10.03 | TwistedEmotions | jaime_: #ubuntu-es is right... |
| 18:10.11 | fken | abrotman>APF ... it remind me the name of the famous Association of Penguin Freedom or somethink like that |
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| 18:10.41 | abrotman | fken: don't tell pseubodot |
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| 18:10.46 | whitehorse1|away | rainmaker: 3.1 revision:a ... aka 'Sarge' |
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| 18:11.31 | fken | abrotman> i saw some members of the organization at the World linux meeting RMLL 2003 |
| 18:11.43 | fken | abrotman> what? |
| 18:11.44 | ryan` | Can I get a reccomendation for an IMAP server to run under debian (preferably one that supports SSL)? |
| 18:12.08 | rainmaker | tghx whitehorse1|away |
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| 18:12.11 | rainmaker | thx* |
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| 18:12.29 | antgel | green_earz: you need the amd-64 mirrors |
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| 18:12.47 | green_earz | antgel: thanks for that |
| 18:12.50 | antgel | ryan`: courier |
| 18:12.55 | abrotman | fken: i had cheese for lunch |
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| 18:13.24 | fken | abrotman > omg youre a real french now |
| 18:13.38 | jaime_ | sorry, i'm a newbye in linux world, but i stay two last weeks install some distros of linux |
| 18:14.05 | jaime_ | i have problems with my hardware, one miro PCTV and one Pinnacle 300i |
| 18:14.08 | abrotman | fken: don't tell jethro |
| 18:14.12 | fken | <jaime_>newbies -> Mandriva |
| 18:14.14 | jenner | ryan`: do you already know how your mailspool should look like? |
| 18:14.17 | fken | I am kidding ! |
| 18:14.21 | smcavoy | any ideas as to why my load averages are: 1.97, 1.91, 1.68 but my cpu states are: 0.4% user, 0.6% system, 0.4% nice, 98.6% idle ? |
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| 18:14.32 | green_earz | ryan`: check out the link for debian courier imap with mysql howto > http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 18:14.44 | smcavoy | I'm running 2.4.27-1-686 on woody |
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| 18:15.26 | asg | smcavoy: some process(s) is starting and stopping very quickly |
| 18:15.27 | jaime_ | do you know about some distro and some kernel under this works well this cards and the digital TV DVB-T for mythtv ?? |
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| 18:15.40 | caphuso | smcavoy: or stuck in D state |
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| 18:16.34 | asg | smcavoy: also, check the output of 'vmstat 5' (discard the first line) and see what the 'r' 'b' and 'cs' lines say. |
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| 18:17.36 | smcavoy | r and b are constant 0s cs is between 13 and 120 |
| 18:17.38 | fken | how to use overburning with k3b ? |
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| 18:18.11 | asg | fken: #debian-kde might know |
| 18:18.12 | caphuso | 13 and 120 context switches in 5 seconds? |
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| 18:18.44 | fken | asg>thanks for the link |
| 18:18.45 | me_here | when booting up, the kernel detects my /dev/hdc as IDE 16X DVD-ROM device then when ide-cd module gets loaded it detects it as ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM device (which is not true), can i disable the ide-cd module without fearing anythin unusual ? |
| 18:18.47 | asg | caphuso: was the 13 for the first line? |
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| 18:18.57 | smcavoy | caphuso: I've got systems with 10-40k, but they run vmware gsx |
| 18:19.00 | caphuso | asg: probably, but even then, quite low |
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| 18:19.27 | asg | caphuso: yes but that first line is never right. Mine showed '1' :) |
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| 18:19.39 | smcavoy | no processes stuck in status d |
| 18:19.45 | me_here | but disabling ide-cd module, the device nodes in dev through udev won't get created! |
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| 18:19.59 | smcavoy | how would I see if something is starting/dying quickly? |
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| 18:20.06 | asg | caphuso: my UML server running 809 processes shows cs in the 5k range at 94% idle |
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| 18:20.30 | caphuso | asg: that sounds a lot more likely than 120 |
| 18:20.30 | asg | smcavoy: top -d 0 (be very careful.) 0.5 might be a more conservative value |
| 18:20.39 | asg | caphuso: yeah |
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| 18:20.50 | caphuso | 120 would probably mean that the box is so bored that it raises the load average to do _something_ |
| 18:20.55 | cusco | it was hard getting in |
| 18:21.03 | asg | caphuso: heh |
| 18:21.32 | jaime_ | who knows what kernel works with dvb-t cards ?? |
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| 18:21.35 | cusco | why can't xmms stream from a shoutcast server when mplayer does just fine? the mpg123 plugin is enabled |
| 18:21.39 | caphuso | hrm, i forgot, do zombies raise the load avg too? |
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| 18:21.43 | dumezil | i have a program looking for a helper app lockfile. i found the lockfile-progs package, but it had lockfile-create lockfile-remove and lockfile-touch. would it work if i made a symlink from lockfile to lockfile-create? |
| 18:21.57 | asg | caphuso: well, our outbound gateway proxy server is running ~200 cs (and server 300+ clients simultaneously.) Granted, squid is the only real thing running. |
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| 18:22.22 | fken | asg>people are rare there |
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| 18:22.30 | smcavoy | found it I think. looks like a combo of pwcheck and ncsa (nagios monitoring component) |
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| 18:22.56 | asg | caphuso: I've seen that happen but I don't know if it's a guarantee. I had a box with a load at 3.00 for 6 months because an attempt to remove some usb drivers caused the kernel to get shitty. It ran and worked, just showed high load. |
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| 18:23.21 | fken | asg>ill try with google (shame on me i havent searched that before...) |
| 18:23.33 | asg | fken: yeah, I don't know anything about kde. Sorry. |
| 18:23.47 | fken | asg>you prefer gnome ? |
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| 18:23.58 | asg | fken: currently a very minimal fluxbox |
| 18:24.07 | streuner | caphuso: LTNS |
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| 18:24.12 | myren | i'm looking for examples for packet shaping. wondershaper basically just prioritizes SSH, ICMP and small packets. I'm looking for something more intensive |
| 18:24.13 | asmodaiii | asg: 1+ :) |
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| 18:24.40 | fken | asg>i hope your computer isnt a powerful beast or it will get bored |
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| 18:24.57 | caphuso | streuner: yepp |
| 18:25.05 | asg | fken: it's a latitude d600 (throttled down to 600Mhz because all it does is run a bunch of aterms.) |
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| 18:25.13 | streuner | caphuso: vacation? |
| 18:25.20 | caphuso | i've been so away from IRC that i had to look up the "LTNS" |
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| 18:25.29 | streuner | haha |
| 18:25.31 | caphuso | now i feel dumb |
| 18:25.43 | streuner | !ltns |
| 18:25.43 | dpkg | well, ltns is long time no see |
| 18:25.44 | fken | asg>600Mhz only for aterm... omg the poor computer :D |
| 18:25.44 | caphuso | streuner: you wish... working (the for money kind) |
| 18:25.46 | Greek0 | it boots. netboot works :) |
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| 18:25.55 | streuner | caphuso: ? |
| 18:26.06 | streuner | caphuso: oh, ic. |
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| 18:26.11 | fken | asg>I am sure it is always compiling |
| 18:26.14 | asg | fken: nah, it's running lots of aterms (they aren't too heavy) and a firefox (for work admin interfaces) |
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| 18:26.19 | caphuso | streuner: earning some money to pay for the next semester of studying |
| 18:27.10 | asg | fken: lately, just latex since I'm documenting a bunch of stuff |
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| 18:27.34 | streuner | caphuso: if this 'Kirchhoff' model took place _we_ are all better up ;-) |
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| 18:27.46 | caphuso | streuner: heh |
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| 18:28.23 | streuner | caphuso: uhm, never heard of the (prolly) new german minister for finances? |
| 18:28.37 | fken | asg>whats your job ? |
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| 18:30.00 | norton | Is DRM supported in Linux? |
| 18:30.02 | asg | fken: Unix admin |
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| 18:30.17 | zinx | normal: Direct Rendering Manager? SURE! |
| 18:30.28 | rleigh | norton: Which DRM acronym? |
| 18:30.31 | fken | asg> omg a crack |
| 18:30.32 | norton | I meant Digital Rights management |
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| 18:30.40 | zinx | rights? it's restrictions. |
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| 18:30.47 | zinx | no matter what they tell you :P |
| 18:30.51 | asg | fken: ? |
| 18:30.55 | norton | zignig: agreed |
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| 18:31.04 | norton | i meant zinx, sorry |
| 18:31.08 | rleigh | norton: There was preliminary support for TPM chips in Linux 2.6.13, from what I saw. |
| 18:31.18 | fken | asg> I mean someone which know well how to use a pc |
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| 18:31.45 | asg | fken: as long as it isn't running Windows; I don't know how to use that well at all. |
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| 18:33.32 | norton | rleigh: ok, but who would enable the DRM support in linux? |
| 18:34.03 | mage_ | ~webmin |
| 18:34.04 | apt | Web-based interface for system administration for Unix. URL: http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ |
| 18:34.06 | fken | asg> really ! Do you really think someone know how to use it ? even B Gates discovers a lot of things everydays by using windows |
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| 18:34.42 | asg | fken: oh, I expect I'd get used to it; I just don't use it so don't care to bother learning about the internals. |
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| 18:35.17 | fken | asg>if you dont use it then the computer are well maintained |
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| 18:35.30 | rleigh | norton: Providing you have control of the keys, you can use it for your own security. It might tie into signed binaries (see bsign), but I haven't investigated yet. |
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| 18:35.32 | fken | asg>well administred i mean |
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| 18:36.09 | norton | ok, thx |
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| 18:37.05 | tonsowork | anyone know how I can network boot an Alpha [eb164] with ARC [not SRM, it will not take the SRM firmware] for debian install? |
| 18:37.18 | slak- | hey is there an if -X to compare a filesize to something |
| 18:37.26 | GenghisZ | i'm trying to use quota, but i get some weird errors: |
| 18:37.30 | slak- | i need to remove a log file if its greater then 1gb |
| 18:37.34 | GenghisZ | quotaon: using //quota.user on /dev/sda2 [/]: No such process |
| 18:37.36 | GenghisZ | quotaon: Quota format not supported in kernel. |
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| 18:37.54 | fken | i finally found it out ! its simply in the options |
| 18:37.55 | GenghisZ | thing is: the kernel is configed with quota supported |
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| 18:40.29 | dc46 | hi debian fans |
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| 18:41.15 | rleigh | GenghisZ: The kernel supports two quota formats, version1 and version2. Your quota files must match the version the kernel supports. The version2 files are called aquota.user and aquota.group. See quotaon(8). |
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| 18:43.04 | britt | does anybody know much about samba server stuff? |
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| 18:44.08 | deadcat | no |
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| 18:44.21 | GenghisZ | damn, thanks rleigh |
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| 18:44.27 | GenghisZ | that fixed it indeed |
| 18:44.28 | deadcat | never heard of the shit |
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| 18:44.40 | fken | now its written im not allowed to reach the peripheral |
| 18:45.00 | rleigh | britt: That depends how difficult the question is :) |
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| 18:45.26 | rleigh | deadcat: Keep it civil, please. |
| 18:45.31 | deadcat | ? |
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| 18:45.40 | britt | deadcat: don't cuss man.... |
| 18:45.46 | deadcat | ? |
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| 18:46.11 | britt | rleigh: i dont know anything about samba server....but i have a pal and he explained it to me and it seems easy...swat is the module to install? |
| 18:46.50 | asg | britt: O'Reilly's Using Samba 2nd Ed. is available for reading online (www.oreilly.com/openbook) |
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| 18:47.30 | britt | asg: thank you |
| 18:47.37 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 18:51.05 | whitehorse1 | Can I change kernel options (Sarge 3.1rv.a; uname output: 2.4.27-2-386) such as CONFIG_MTRR= without "compiling my own kernel" ? |
| 18:51.18 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: no you can't |
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| 18:51.27 | resiak | whitehorse1: Why would you want to ? |
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| 18:51.31 | tarzeau | whitehorse1: well you can do alias uname="echo whatever" ;) |
| 18:51.39 | tonsowork | brb |
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| 18:51.58 | whitehorse1 | It's in order to use the ATI driver module with the fgrlx ati driver that dpkg in here recommends, it requires certain kernel options. |
| 18:52.01 | stew | whitehorse1: you want to turn MTRR off? |
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| 18:52.41 | whitehorse1 | stew: no, ON. :) amongst other things - all from the ATI page that dpkg bot in here suggests |
| 18:53.04 | whitehorse1 | at: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#requirements |
| 18:53.14 | stew | whitehorse1: MTRR is already enabled in all debian kernels |
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| 18:53.27 | tcsetattr | I think you can turn off mtrrs by writing to /proc/mtrr |
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| 18:53.56 | stew | whitehorse1: you can check the options for your kernel in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:54.04 | whitehorse1 | Oh right I was thrown by the auot-generated config file - now I see the hash at the beginning of the line :) |
| 18:54.28 | whitehorse1 | It also says to d/load the sources for my kernel but every time I try that with synaptic it says it wants to compile them into a new kernel if I do :/ |
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| 18:54.38 | rleigh | whitehorse1: You can't change the options without recompiling your kernel. If you just want to rebuild a stock debian kernel, I'd recommend installing the debian kernel source package(s) and building with kernel-package. |
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| 18:55.37 | abrotman | Gilligan died!!!!! |
| 18:55.39 | stew | whitehorse1: are you sure you need the source for your kernel and not just the headers? |
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| 18:56.03 | whitehorse1 | stew: according to the webpage I do. :/ |
| 18:56.10 | caonex | Debian Sarge does not come with support for Amd64, but one can always compile the latest kernel and optimize it for such processors, right? |
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| 18:56.16 | ryan` | will making partitions that don't end on cylinder screw up grub or lilo? |
| 18:56.26 | Gathond | caonex: not as such no |
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| 18:56.39 | caonex | Gathond: what do you mean? |
| 18:56.47 | Gathond | caonex: recompiling the kernel as 64 bit will most likely break the 32 bit applications that run ontop of it |
| 18:56.55 | abrotman | hello .. gilligan .. dead .. noone cares? :) |
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| 18:57.03 | Gathond | caonex: that you cant just recompile the kernel as 64 bit and stuff will work |
| 18:57.11 | stew | abrotman: what version of debian was he running? |
| 18:57.22 | joefso3 | Hello. I'm searching for alternative mail client other then /usr/bin/mail that supports defining a smpt server it uses |
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| 18:57.22 | stockholm | caonex: you can use the amd64 repositories as they are. it is by debian developers. the real thing |
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| 18:57.26 | Gathond | caonex: the kernel will, but nothing else (login applications, init, well anything but the kernel) wont |
| 18:57.29 | abrotman | stew: he's not . he's dead .. and he was on the damn island .. the professor wasn't that good :) |
| 18:57.29 | tcsetattr | now they can maybe get off the islan without him screwing them up |
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| 18:57.39 | caonex | Gathond: Yeah that makes sense. |
| 18:57.49 | whitehorse1 | Installed currently is: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 version 2.4.27-11 (from testing, on sarge). Presumably I need to force kernel-source-2.4.27 v11 (not 10) as well |
| 18:58.04 | Gathond | caonex: but there is an ableit iirc unofficial and not released AMD64 port that afaik works |
| 18:58.06 | caonex | Gathond: I guess I will just have to do i386 for now |
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| 18:58.25 | stew | whitehorse1: force? what? you shouldn't need to force anything, just apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27 |
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| 18:58.33 | caonex | ableit iirc, what is that an irc client? |
| 18:58.35 | Gathond | caonex: or not unofficial actually, just not released |
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| 18:59.01 | Gathond | caonex: iirc = If I recall correctly |
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| 18:59.30 | caonex | What is ableit? |
| 18:59.36 | caonex | Gathond: ^ |
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| 18:59.37 | stew | Gathond: unofficial but released |
| 18:59.50 | Gathond | stew: ok :) |
| 18:59.56 | whitehorse1 | caonex: albeit "She was unwell, albeit better than the last time" |
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| 19:00.11 | stew | "The unofficial stable release of the Debian AMD64 port was released by the porting team on June 8th, 2005." |
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| 19:00.30 | myren | network solutions re-implemented the DNS finder service |
| 19:00.32 | Gathond | caonex: albeit = although or some such, look it up using dict :) |
| 19:00.40 | myren | the one that gives you web pages for web servers that dont exist |
| 19:00.42 | myren | who do i kill |
| 19:00.49 | myren | i have guns, i will murder |
| 19:00.55 | Yoe | myren: yourself? ;-) |
| 19:00.57 | myren | who allowed that crap |
| 19:01.06 | predator | any good pci dsl for pstn that works under debian? |
| 19:01.13 | caonex | Gathond: So I can download that unofficial release and be able to run 64 bit applications, is that what you are saying? |
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| 19:01.38 | Gathond | caonex: as far as I know yes, but how well it functions I dont know |
| 19:01.38 | tcsetattr | I'm still getting NXDOMAINs, myren |
| 19:01.49 | lord_rob | hi ! in which package is update-rc.d contained ? |
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| 19:01.56 | WE_R_DNA | I am in a new hood and I believe they are working on the cable connects out here. Do you know how to check and see how many people are using the hood network? |
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| 19:02.10 | caonex | Gathond: Let me not go into that territory because I do not want to mess up my brand new laptop |
| 19:02.19 | resiak | lord_rob: dpkg -S update-rc.d |
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| 19:02.29 | caonex | Gathond: thanks for your help |
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| 19:02.35 | Gathond | caonex: I dont think there is any chance of actually damaging the hardware |
| 19:02.37 | stew | caonex: you should be asking in #debian-amd64 |
| 19:02.55 | Gathond | caonex: only that some stuff might not work well/at all |
| 19:02.56 | caonex | stew: i did not know about that channel, sorry |
| 19:03.01 | abrotman | i'd rather be canoex! |
| 19:03.06 | WE_R_DNA | as in, if Cox was my ISP && the neighborhood uses Cox, can I see if my neighbors are on the network? |
| 19:03.08 | abrotman | i'd feel canadian or something |
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| 19:03.11 | lord_rob | resiak: thanks a lot |
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| 19:03.31 | whitehorse1 | stew: See what I'm confused by (sources.list includes testing repository lines btw which is fine): Currently Installed are kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 version 2.4.27-11 (from testing, on sarge) and and kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 2.4.27-11 all clear so far. BUT :( ... also installed is kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 2.4.27-11 (note the lack of 386 on the end). Only seems to be one image package installed though. though the kernel source package seems to |
| 19:03.31 | whitehorse1 | want to install more if I install that. |
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| 19:05.02 | whitehorse1 | Also, stew you suggested <stew> whitehorse1: you can check the options for your kernel in /boot/config-$(uname -r) . When I try that in a terminal as root, I just get: bash: /boot/config-2.4.27-2-386: Permission denied |
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| 19:05.14 | stew | whitehorse1: i don't understand your question. did you "apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27"? |
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| 19:05.32 | stew | whitehorse1: run "pager /boot/config-2.4.27-2-386" |
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| 19:05.48 | stew | !info kernel-source-2.4.27 etch |
| 19:05.51 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.4.27: (Linux kernel source for version 2.4.27 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-11 (etch), Packaged size: 30304 kB, Installed size: 30432 kB |
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| 19:07.39 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - you around? |
| 19:07.41 | whitehorse1 | stew: yes, that's the issue. I need to force version on kernel-source-2.4.24 otherwise this is what synaptic says it'll install: cpp (version 4:3.3.5-3) will be upgraded to version 4:4.0.1-3 kernel-source-2.4.27 (version 2.4.27-10) will be installed |
| 19:07.53 | whitehorse1 | not ...11 (as it choosing stable not testing) |
| 19:07.57 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: yep |
| 19:07.57 | whitehorse1 | *it's |
| 19:08.05 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - any clue on the ARC netboot? |
| 19:08.06 | joefso3 | Hello. I'm searching for alternative mail client other then /usr/bin/mail that supports defining a smpt server it uses |
| 19:08.10 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: ok let me check |
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| 19:08.50 | tcsetattr | joefso3, you probably want mutt |
| 19:08.53 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: hey arc,alphabios is the windows like one, and srm is the cool one. i have the sucky arc too |
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| 19:09.06 | joefso3 | tcsetattr: noh just something simple like 'mail' :) |
| 19:09.09 | stew | whitehorse1: apt-get -t testing install kernel-source-2.4.27 |
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| 19:09.20 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: did you even read the notes i made? |
| 19:09.24 | ComradeSchulz | hej |
| 19:09.25 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: boot the box into the bios |
| 19:09.28 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - your machine has the f6 escape to SRM thou, does it not? as in, you can drop to a console type things? |
| 19:09.35 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - it's there |
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| 19:09.41 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: you don't have that f6 thing? |
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| 19:09.57 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: nowhere a "cmos" menu entry? it's hidden, i searched alot until i found it |
| 19:09.57 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - no, i have the one-or-the-other firmware mode |
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| 19:10.12 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - not that i found |
| 19:10.14 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: nowhere is a menu called "cmos" where you can select "advanced" |
| 19:10.17 | tonsofpcs | i went through the whole thing last night |
| 19:10.18 | zxcv | what's the package name to install enough stuff for compiling a kernel? |
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| 19:10.19 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: look again |
| 19:10.20 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - nope |
| 19:10.24 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: it's really hidden well |
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| 19:10.30 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: i've needed a week too until i found it |
| 19:10.37 | ComradeSchulz | does anybody know how to build a bootdisk for a debian with an other kernel? |
| 19:10.44 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - i dumped the whole menu structure via rs232c null modem |
| 19:10.48 | LSorense | ComradeSchulz: it is quite a bit of work. |
| 19:10.49 | illsci | hey tarzeau i finally got it to work but it fails to recognize my BCM nic |
| 19:10.50 | tonsofpcs | it's not there |
| 19:10.51 | whitehorse1 | tarzeau: is being mean ;) |
| 19:10.52 | tarzeau | ComradeSchulz: yes, would a netboot image work too? |
| 19:10.53 | illsci | its a newer broadcom |
| 19:11.04 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - i don't have the PC BIOS looking ARC, I have the blue-screen ARC |
| 19:11.15 | ComradeSchulz | netboot? dont know |
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| 19:11.16 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: yes mine's blue/gray too |
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| 19:11.33 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: come on don't make me turn mine on. it's making more noise than the ultrasparc2 airport |
| 19:11.36 | ComradeSchulz | the system is standalon - no ethernet |
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| 19:11.51 | stew | ComradeSchulz: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 19:11.52 | tarzeau | ComradeSchulz: you want debian without ethernet? |
| 19:12.03 | tarzeau | illsci: netboot? |
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| 19:12.10 | illsci | tarzeau: yes |
| 19:12.11 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - well then i must be blind |
| 19:12.22 | tarzeau | illsci: do you know if it's supported by stock 2.4.31 or if you need a third party source? |
| 19:12.25 | ComradeSchulz | i installed a system for a newbee and he wrecked the mbr |
| 19:12.34 | whitehorse1 | Currently installed: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 version 2.4.27-11 (from testing, on sarge) (& kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 2.4.27-11); But also: kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 2.4.27-11 (note the lack of 386 on the end). Should I remove the latter kernel-headers package? :? :/ The sole kernel-image package has 386 on the end of the package name. |
| 19:12.36 | tarzeau | illsci: if either, i'd be glad to hack it in, if you point me to the sources of the driver |
| 19:12.37 | stew | ComradeSchulz: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 19:12.37 | illsci | I think it is supported.... |
| 19:12.42 | illsci | ok let me see |
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| 19:12.53 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: so was i, try it really again. try to leave it as it is for today and try tomorrow |
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| 19:13.00 | ComradeSchulz | we wont get access to debian at all |
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| 19:13.25 | ComradeSchulz | now - again is compouter only boots the evil system |
| 19:13.28 | tarzeau | ComradeSchulz: can you boot from a cd-rom? fixing mbr is really easy |
| 19:13.35 | ComradeSchulz | really |
| 19:13.38 | ComradeSchulz | nice |
| 19:13.39 | tarzeau | ComradeSchulz: very |
| 19:13.41 | tarzeau | ComradeSchulz: grub? |
| 19:13.57 | ComradeSchulz | yes |
| 19:14.06 | tonsofpcs | i'mma take a gaming break, then check back |
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| 19:14.31 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: which game? |
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| 19:14.33 | ComradeSchulz | ok - thank you so much |
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| 19:14.43 | zxcv | what's the package name to install enough stuff for compiling a kernel? |
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| 19:14.58 | tarzeau | !topicbadger zxcv |
| 19:14.59 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that zxcv didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 19:15.16 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - day of defeat |
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| 19:15.21 | zxcv | ok :) |
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| 19:16.40 | illsci | tarzeau: yes its a broadcom gigabit network card and its not in the image... ill see if i can find the source |
| 19:16.49 | newbie_ | I created two users (adduser) created to sids (smbpasswd) and am able to see HOMES directories from win machine on my debian box. But don't have write access. ANy ideas? |
| 19:16.54 | stew | illsci: is it a tigon3? |
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| 19:17.15 | tarzeau | illsci: can you give me the lspci and lspci -n lines to gurkan@linuks.mine.nu ? |
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| 19:17.29 | laurens_ | damn |
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| 19:17.34 | trollboy | is there a 2gb filesize limit on debian? |
| 19:17.37 | laurens_ | lcdproc in debian is broken |
| 19:17.42 | laurens_ | trollboy: depends on your filesystem |
| 19:17.47 | tarzeau | trollboy: no |
| 19:17.48 | laurens_ | trollboy: most likely no |
| 19:17.54 | tarzeau | trollboy: do you use samba? |
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| 19:18.01 | WE_R_DNA | What is a switch? |
| 19:18.04 | tarzeau | trollboy: which kernel? what cpu? |
| 19:18.04 | stew | trollboy: depends on the filesystem |
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| 19:18.06 | trollboy | tarzeau, no I don't |
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| 19:18.12 | laurens_ | WE_R_DNA: KVM switch or ethernet switch |
| 19:18.13 | tarzeau | stew: and the kernel version and the cpu and ... |
| 19:18.14 | trollboy | lemme check real quick tarzeau |
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| 19:18.18 | WE_R_DNA | ethernet |
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| 19:18.30 | tarzeau | trollboy: your nick really is .. different |
| 19:18.30 | incorrect | hi |
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| 19:18.45 | laurens_ | WE_R_DNA: wikipedia can explain better than I can. basically it's a box that you can use to connect multiple pc's on the same network with |
| 19:18.50 | laurens_ | that sends packages based on mac |
| 19:18.53 | incorrect | has anyone got an ftp server working behind a dnat? |
| 19:19.02 | laurens_ | it's not very 'intelligent', OSI network layer wise |
| 19:19.14 | tarzeau | incorrect: i think so. |
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| 19:19.58 | DaDave | hi all |
| 19:20.02 | trollboy | tarzeau, Linux debian 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:20.11 | tarzeau | trollboy: OUF, that's old |
| 19:20.20 | trollboy | tarzeau, my nick was a old college nickname... got it because i'm over 7' tall |
| 19:20.20 | tcsetattr | good old idepci... |
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| 19:20.30 | tarzeau | trollboy: the thing is not creating large 2+ gb files, but lseek'ing them |
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| 19:20.41 | trollboy | whatcha mean tarzeau |
| 19:20.57 | abrotman | trollboy: are you on woody or sarge? |
| 19:21.00 | tarzeau | trollboy: you should get a newer kernel |
| 19:21.09 | trollboy | abrotman, this should be sarge |
| 19:21.11 | abrotman | trollboy: and which CPU ? |
| 19:21.11 | trollboy | I didn't install it |
| 19:21.16 | abrotman | that is NOT sarge |
| 19:21.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: sarge never had 2.2 kernels |
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| 19:21.22 | tcsetattr | sarge, upgraded from woody, possibly |
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| 19:21.25 | trollboy | a MS admin who thinks he knows linux (and everything else for that matter) did |
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| 19:21.28 | tarzeau | trollboy: why does it matter who installed it? |
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| 19:21.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know .. it could have been an upgrade |
| 19:21.37 | tcsetattr | you can upgrade the distribution and still have the old kernel |
| 19:21.39 | tarzeau | trollboy: whoever did, at least chose a good product |
| 19:21.41 | zxcv | so is 2.6 pretty stable? or should i stick to using 2.4? |
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| 19:21.59 | abrotman | define stable |
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| 19:22.06 | tarzeau | zxcv: to do what? i use 2.4.31 |
| 19:22.07 | Rebecca_lappy | i have a question about apt-get. when it's downloading a bunch of files it displays a % of the downloads. is that based on the number of files? or the actual size of files involved? |
| 19:22.07 | DaDave | i am wondering about something: KDE seems to be very slow no matter what machine i am using. the drawing of UI components are pretty slow and the whole interface is responding relatively slow. Windows XP on the other hand on the same machines runs pretty fast if we talk about the draing of UI components and so on. What is the problem with KDE? is there a problem with the underlaying libraries, is it a x-server issue? does anyone have a hint fo |
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| 19:22.10 | trollboy | tarzeau, no they didn't I forced him to use debian, he wanted to use mandrake |
| 19:22.18 | zxcv | tarzeau: run a regular desktop machine |
| 19:22.29 | tarzeau | zxcv: i guess 2.6 would be fine as well |
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| 19:22.39 | abrotman | trollboy: which CPU ? |
| 19:22.45 | parkolo | hi |
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| 19:22.55 | trollboy | abrotman, you know an easy way to tell? |
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| 19:23.01 | tonsofpcs | back |
| 19:23.02 | trollboy | I've ne'er actually even seen this box |
| 19:23.11 | abrotman | trollboy: wyhen you turn it on? .. cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 19:23.37 | trollboy | abrotman, the machine is about 800+ miles from me, I've ne'er even seen it |
| 19:23.44 | parkolo | whats the channel main language? |
| 19:23.47 | abrotman | trollboy: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:23.47 | trollboy | its a Pentium III 733mhz |
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| 19:23.51 | abrotman | parkolo: english |
| 19:24.01 | abrotman | trollboy: apt-cache search kernel-image -686 |
| 19:24.09 | abrotman | trollboy: do you see any 2.6 kernels ? |
| 19:24.43 | nvz | parkolo: the channel has only one language, thats english |
| 19:24.48 | trollboy | E: Command line option '6' [from -686] is not known. |
| 19:25.00 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - if you want, i'll set up a telnet to serial pipe and you can look, it isn't there. |
| 19:25.02 | brittman914 | abrotman: nd then the changing of the sources over to sarge stable |
| 19:25.02 | nvz | parkolo: if you need to communicate in another language, say so and we can direct you to the right channel |
| 19:25.10 | tonsofpcs | i just went through EVERY menu item, even those that do not apply |
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| 19:25.20 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: yeah, go ahead |
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| 19:25.35 | tarzeau | trollboy: try -- -686 |
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| 19:25.59 | abrotman | brittman914: if it's not already |
| 19:26.03 | tonsofpcs | now lets se, how do i do that again.... |
| 19:26.05 | laurens_ | lcdproc in debian is broken. that is, lcdproc is installed. except the binary isn't ;-) |
| 19:26.05 | abrotman | trollboy: then just 686 |
| 19:26.11 | tonsofpcs | i haven't done that in over 8 years lol.... |
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| 19:26.57 | tonsofpcs | but the CMOS thing in your firmware just dumps you to a >>> console, right? |
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| 19:27.19 | abrotman | trollboy: do you see a 686 kernel ? |
| 19:27.22 | brittman914 | abrotman: if it's not a 1.6 it aint sarge...even sarge unstable |
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| 19:27.27 | tarzeau | asg, SimonRaven, bob2, ElectricElf, sgeigerb`, justin, peterS: would you mind adding a license for all your contributions at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki (right after point 5. on the mainpage)? |
| 19:27.33 | abrotman | brittman914: wtf is sarge unstable? |
| 19:27.35 | tarzeau | !seen sussudio |
| 19:27.36 | dpkg | sussudio <i=suss@unaffiliated/sussudio> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 4h 18m 50s ago, saying: 'J00: you lie'. |
| 19:27.39 | trollboy | I see them abrotman |
| 19:27.44 | Rebecca_lappy | i have a question about apt-get. when it's downloading a bunch of files it displays a % of the downloads. is that based on the number of files? or the actual size of files involved? |
| 19:27.45 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - how about you just pm me and i'll pm you what it says and you pm back what you want me to do? |
| 19:27.54 | ElectricElf | tarzeau: Would you have copied anything I wrote from elsewhere? |
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| 19:27.56 | tarzeau | tonsofpcs: too complicated |
| 19:27.58 | abrotman | trollboy: check your sources .. /etc/apt/sources.list .. pointing at sarge or testing or stable or what? |
| 19:27.59 | ElectricElf | tarzeau: (I've never contributed directly to links.mine.nu |
| 19:28.04 | tonsofpcs | tarzeau - how so? |
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| 19:28.17 | peterS | tarzeau: not aware that I'd made any contributions to the faq/wiki |
| 19:28.18 | abrotman | ElectricElf: Sue him!!! |
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| 19:28.25 | tarzeau | ElectricElf: no even by email or in here? i've probably copied your answers/questions from here to there then |
| 19:28.26 | knite | how do i change an existing ext2 partition to ext3 (not moving files, etc) |
| 19:28.38 | trollboy | abrotman, sarge |
| 19:28.42 | morphje | does anyone here ever worked with modernbill ? just got a few simple questions |
| 19:28.43 | ElectricElf | tarzeau: Yeah, that'd do then |
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| 19:28.47 | abrotman | trollboy: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:28.47 | weasel | knite: tune2fs |
| 19:28.48 | brittman914 | abrotman: wow... |
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| 19:28.52 | abrotman | brittman914: huh? |
| 19:28.54 | weasel | knite: read it's manpage, should be -j or similar |
| 19:28.55 | tarzeau | peterS, ElectricElf: i'll remove you two then from the contribs and accounts (should one exist) -- unless you tell me otherwise |
| 19:28.59 | knite | weasel: thanks, i'll try it |
| 19:29.01 | weasel | its anyway |
| 19:29.05 | tarzeau | ElectricElf: would you mind having it licensed whatever i chose? |
| 19:29.10 | brittman914 | abrotman: i'm surprised he's runnign sarge. what kernel is he running |
| 19:29.18 | weasel | knite: as always, backup your data. really. |
| 19:29.20 | WE_R_DNA | is there a stripped version of debian to setup a OSI Layer # |
| 19:29.22 | abrotman | brittman914: sounds like it was an upgrade from woody |
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| 19:29.30 | peterS | tarzeau: if I've contributed, it has not been directly or intentionally. anything I say on public IRC you are free to quote under just about any terms you want |
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| 19:29.59 | tarzeau | peterS: that's good to know. it's not for me to quote, it's other people that keep me asking |
| 19:30.00 | abrotman | yeah .. you can quote me .. though i hve no idea why you'd want to :) |
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| 19:30.24 | tarzeau | peterS: so i will state clearly a license for these texts |
| 19:30.32 | ElectricElf | tarzeau: Depends on what you chose :) |
| 19:30.37 | ElectricElf | tarzeau: I'm good with GPL, LGPL, 3-clause BSD |
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| 19:30.50 | ElectricElf | tarzeau: Anything else I'd want to read, lest I give away my soul ;) |
| 19:30.53 | resiak | GFDL! \o/ |
| 19:30.57 | weasel | ElectricElf: soul? |
| 19:31.02 | weasel | as if you had something like that |
| 19:31.02 | tarzeau | ElectricElf: artistic license, gnu gpl or WTFPL |
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| 19:31.21 | peterS | I dunno, I'd have to read this wtfpl first |
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| 19:32.08 | ElectricElf | tarzeau: I'm good with either of the former |
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| 19:33.03 | tarzeau | peterS: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ |
| 19:33.09 | brittman914 | in what package is the command "smbmount" contained in? it's neither in smbutils (like i thought) or as a dependency of swat |
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| 19:33.16 | tarzeau | ElectricElf: former as in all three of them (just to be clear) |
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| 19:33.26 | tarzeau | brittman914: smbfs ? |
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| 19:33.53 | abrotman | Nwallins: you made it |
| 19:33.56 | weasel | brittman914: see http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 19:34.01 | brittman914 | tarzeau: lol! thanks...i'll put that under brain-fart |
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| 19:34.07 | resiak | brittman914: apt-cache show apt-file |
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| 19:34.16 | Nwallins | finally.. i was going every second or two for a while.. avg 20 or 30 a minute for a while there |
| 19:34.23 | abrotman | resiak: apt-file search apt-cache ? |
| 19:34.26 | weasel | brittman914: you want the 'Search the contents of packages' section |
| 19:34.47 | abrotman | !tell brittman914 about search |
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| 19:35.59 | resiak | abrotman: Heh. |
| 19:36.00 | St- | hi |
| 19:36.01 | parkolo | we ve got a HUGE forum which has got 1000 queries / sec so we have a big load too! how can i reduce it? |
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| 19:36.26 | weasel | I guess parkolo doesn't want to hear 'use NNTP and a proper newsserver' :) |
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| 19:37.15 | tarzeau | parkolo: what's a big load ? |
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| 19:37.40 | parkolo | about 10.0 loadavg (15min) |
| 19:37.45 | brittman914 | parkolo: ban them! :) |
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| 19:37.50 | parkolo | eh :D |
| 19:37.52 | weasel | load doesn't say much |
| 19:37.58 | cmihai | A big load... hehe :). |
| 19:38.03 | weasel | what is your bottleneck? |
| 19:38.07 | Nwallins | i was going to say 5 or 10 wipes |
| 19:38.07 | weasel | disk or CPU or network? |
| 19:38.15 | parkolo | i dont know |
| 19:38.17 | weasel | whatever it is, fix it |
| 19:38.27 | Nwallins | luckily i restrained myself |
| 19:38.28 | abrotman | stop logging every query ? |
| 19:38.32 | parkolo | we ve got dual xeon 2.4 1gig ram and scsi |
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| 19:38.40 | cmihai | Nwallins, i was about to say something along the lines of bukkake myself ;) |
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| 19:38.57 | weasel | parkolo: and? |
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| 19:39.02 | weasel | parkolo: do you still have cpu cycles left? |
| 19:39.07 | brittman914 | parkolo: congrats! I'm still on my dual Pentium pro 333 machine |
| 19:39.09 | weasel | parkolo: how much of your memory do you need? |
| 19:39.15 | weasel | parkolo: ... |
| 19:39.25 | brittman914 | in irssi-text, how do i switch to messages? |
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| 19:39.39 | weasel | does your system swap out regularily? |
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| 19:39.55 | parkolo | err... |
| 19:39.57 | parkolo | :) |
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| 19:40.08 | abrotman | vmstat or free might help .. or perhaps iostat from the sysutils package |
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| 19:40.15 | weasel | parkolo: vmstat, free, top, .. |
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| 19:40.24 | brittman914 | thx abrotman |
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| 19:40.27 | kl1 | hi |
| 19:40.39 | weasel | parkolo: read the manpages of those tools and see if you can found out anything useful. |
| 19:40.39 | parkolo | w8 pls |
| 19:40.41 | micka | after reboot my computer lost a dir in /var/log could not open error log file /var/log/apache2/error.log. and /var/log/privoxy have idea ? |
| 19:40.54 | parkolo | i have some grap |
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| 19:41.03 | parkolo | but dont know where :) |
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| 19:41.09 | abrotman | you have some grep? |
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| 19:41.22 | tcsetattr | grap, it's a preprocessor for pic... |
| 19:41.33 | omry | having added a parameter to modules.conf (using update-modules.modutils), what will make the change take effect? |
| 19:41.35 | GodKilla- | hey all, can anyone tell me if/how wlan works on debian? |
| 19:41.39 | dondelelcaro | micka: so make those directories, and/or fsck your drive. |
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| 19:41.49 | yang | I have troubles connecting an old terminal on the machine, can someone help? |
| 19:42.02 | micka | dondelelcaro: i have already create and recreate directory |
| 19:42.05 | tarzeau | brittman914: alt-a ? |
| 19:42.10 | abrotman | GodKilla-: many people have working wifi cards |
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| 19:42.41 | GodKilla- | abrotman: wifi? |
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| 19:42.43 | micka | dondelelcaro: fsck.ext3 in a mount system |
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| 19:43.04 | abrotman | GodKilla-: wlan .. wireless LAN? |
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| 19:43.50 | GodKilla- | abrotman: yes |
| 19:43.58 | parkolo | nyah |
| 19:44.02 | newbie_ | I've made changes to smb.conf and when I run testparm, I don't see them.. |
| 19:44.04 | abrotman | GodKilla-: you want to setup an AP ... or get your wireless card working? |
| 19:44.15 | parkolo | ive got the stats @ http://www.epointsystem.org/munin/epointsystem.org/ |
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| 19:44.50 | GodKilla- | abrotman: i want to set up a entire network over wlan |
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| 19:45.01 | kl1 | i have a problem, when i try to install any program via apt-get, it say E: this installation require temporatily removing the esential package e2sprags due to a conflits/predepends loop. this is often bad, but if you really want to do it, active the APT::Force-LoopBreak option E: internal Error, could not aerly remove e2fsprogs |
| 19:45.02 | GodKilla- | abrotman: befoe i do this i want to inform myself |
| 19:45.06 | GodKilla- | before* |
| 19:45.06 | tcsetattr | yang, use a null modem cable, put a getty in inittab (there should be a sample in there already for you to uncomment), reload inittab and enjoy |
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| 19:45.46 | micka | apache2: could not open error log file /var/log/apache2/error.log. |
| 19:45.48 | abrotman | GodKilla-: about what? |
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| 19:46.12 | aurax | i got a debian mail server using ssl/465 anyone knows of a known bug with outlook 2002(xp) and that configuration on outlook2k3 works perfect |
| 19:46.12 | tcsetattr | micka, maybe you should try apt-get install --reinstall apache2 |
| 19:46.17 | yang | tcsetattr: i have this line is ps /sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt102 |
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| 19:46.20 | weasel | kl1: how did you end up with this? |
| 19:46.30 | abrotman | weasel: he's not the first one |
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| 19:46.39 | GodKilla- | abrotman: about how wlans work on linux etc |
| 19:46.45 | weasel | abrotman: unstable? |
| 19:46.53 | abrotman | weasel: the last guy i saw with it was etch |
| 19:46.59 | yang | tcsetattr: but the cable is different becouse machine has DIN-8 connector |
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| 19:47.07 | kl1 | weasel i install debian from a diferent machine so i bring back the ard disk to the original pc |
| 19:47.07 | GodKilla- | abrotman: if it works on most wlan routers network cards etc |
| 19:47.08 | weasel | ah well. when he doesn't use stable then he knows how to deal with such things himself anyway :) |
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| 19:47.22 | abrotman | GodKilla-: are you going to use debian for the AP? |
| 19:47.23 | parkolo | help me pls |
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| 19:47.31 | abrotman | weasel: you're not allowed to say that anymore .. you must help! |
| 19:47.35 | tcsetattr | yang, if you'd explain your problem maybe someone could really help |
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| 19:48.00 | weasel | kl1: woody/sarge/etch/sid/snorky/breezy/hoary/warty? |
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| 19:48.02 | weasel | abrotman: hah |
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| 19:48.27 | abrotman | parkolo: what the heck are you diong to that poor server? |
| 19:48.32 | GodKilla- | abrotman: 1 system debian 1 system SuSe |
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| 19:48.42 | parkolo | abrotman: :D |
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| 19:48.49 | abrotman | GodKilla-: i meant for the AP |
| 19:48.51 | kl1 | weasel i dont know what u mean by that |
| 19:48.54 | abrotman | parkolo: no .. i'm not kidding |
| 19:48.59 | GodKilla- | abrotman: probably im gonna change the debian system to gentoo |
| 19:49.02 | abrotman | kl1: which version of debian are you running? |
| 19:49.04 | weasel | kl1: which debian version do you have installed? |
| 19:49.07 | GodKilla- | abrotman: whast the ap? |
| 19:49.15 | abrotman | GodKilla-: you mostly want to read kernel docs and about wifi tools |
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| 19:49.19 | weasel | kl1: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file online? like on paste.debian.net |
| 19:49.23 | abrotman | GodKilla-: access point .. like the router |
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| 19:49.28 | paulswm | GodKilla-: Access Point |
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| 19:49.52 | tcsetattr | I knew he was ignoring the phrase "for the AP" because he didn't understand it |
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| 19:50.01 | GodKilla- | abrotman: i want to use a preinstalled router |
| 19:50.06 | kl1 | weasel is in anothere cmputer it only has debeian base system debian sarge stable |
| 19:50.16 | GodKilla- | abrotman: wlan router from store |
| 19:50.19 | abrotman | GodKilla-: so you just need to know about wifi card support in debian ? |
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| 19:50.28 | weasel | kl1: and etc/apt/sources.list only has stable or sarge in it? |
| 19:50.35 | weasel | kl1: no etch or testing or sid or unstable? |
| 19:50.41 | GodKilla- | abrotman: yes. basicly |
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| 19:50.56 | GodKilla- | abrotman: is it easy to find drivers? |
| 19:51.05 | weasel | mine worked out of the box. |
| 19:51.10 | parkolo | so can anybody help me? |
| 19:51.11 | weasel | (now how useful is that to you?) |
| 19:51.19 | Fleck | reiserfs 4 in debian? |
| 19:51.25 | weasel | Fleck: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 19:51.26 | weasel | please no. |
| 19:51.28 | kl1 | weasel letme see |
| 19:51.30 | cmihai | reiser 3.6 in debian. |
| 19:51.35 | Fleck | ;p |
| 19:51.35 | abrotman | GodKilla-: depends on the card i suppose |
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| 19:51.37 | weasel | parkolo: no, you did not provide sufficient information to further help you. we pointed you to tools that may help you figure out what's up |
| 19:51.39 | cmihai | No ricerfs :) |
| 19:51.47 | paulswm | ext3! be safe! |
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| 19:51.55 | weasel | Fleck: you know, we kinda prefer to keep our data |
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| 19:52.02 | streuner | !reiserfs |
| 19:52.03 | dpkg | well, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 19:52.24 | GodKilla- | abrotman: so i have to check if there are linux drivers before i buy it? |
| 19:52.31 | parkolo | thx & bye! |
| 19:52.35 | peterS | GodKilla-: always a good idea |
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| 19:52.37 | weasel | paulswm: good luck. |
| 19:52.38 | weasel | argl |
| 19:52.39 | streuner | uhm, that wasn't the factoid i want to paste... |
| 19:52.45 | cmihai | You can do that after GodKilla-. Only it's not so fun :) |
| 19:52.46 | abrotman | GodKilla-: that would be a very very smart idea ... check *before* you buy |
| 19:52.48 | weasel | streuner: it's still good |
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| 19:53.17 | streuner | weasel: this factoid activate always peterS |
| 19:53.17 | peterS | GodKilla-: unless you're very familiar with the linux hardware support landscape and know a particular class of hardware all has good linux support |
| 19:53.19 | streuner | ;-) |
| 19:53.22 | paulswm | weasel: Luck? Not sure what you mean, I haven't lost anything due to ext3 and, beleive me, I've tried :) |
| 19:53.22 | rleigh | streuner: It's one of the few factoids I agree with! |
| 19:53.35 | weasel | paulswm: wront nick complete. parkolo left too fast :) |
| 19:53.45 | peterS | streuner: not always. I did write it though. |
| 19:53.46 | paulswm | weasel: Oh :) |
| 19:53.49 | illsci | tarzeau: its a Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5751 gigabit ethernet card.... Will you add that to your kernel? |
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| 19:54.11 | weasel | kl1: ? |
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| 19:54.13 | tarzeau | illsci: the source of it is in the kernel-2.4.31 ? or not in the stock kernel? |
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| 19:54.27 | GodKilla- | ok thanks all, i hoped theres any driver that works for most wlan network cards |
| 19:54.29 | illsci | i guess not..... I am using your files from your site |
| 19:54.36 | streuner | rleigh: /msg dpkg filesystems |
| 19:54.37 | kl1 | weasel i take a llok whith vi? |
| 19:54.38 | illsci | and it comes up saying it can not recognize the card |
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| 19:54.47 | tarzeau | illsci: if it's in, just gunzip initrd, mountback loop it and unpack the gnu.ethz.ch/debian/kernel-2.4.31/ .deb and copy it into it |
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| 19:55.04 | tarzeau | illsci: send me the lspci outputs once with -n and once without |
| 19:55.06 | weasel | kl1: or just plain cat |
| 19:55.09 | tarzeau | illsci: and you'll have it by tomorrow |
| 19:55.11 | weasel | kl1: 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' |
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| 19:55.49 | abrotman | got yourself a live one eh? |
| 19:55.58 | Fleck | why not reiserfs 4? |
| 19:56.10 | abrotman | because .. like 3 .. it's broken? |
| 19:56.13 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 19:56.13 | kl1 | weasel ok |
| 19:56.13 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is, like, http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
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| 19:56.15 | rleigh | streuner: That's a reasonable summary. I use ext3 almost everywhere. |
| 19:56.20 | abrotman | read the second link .. the reiserfs file |
| 19:56.20 | illsci | where do i put it in the decompressed initrd? |
| 19:56.21 | weasel | Fleck: "data. want to keep. no reiser." |
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| 19:56.37 | brittman914 | weasel: lol |
| 19:56.38 | tarzeau | illsci: /lib/modules/somwhere |
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| 19:56.47 | weasel | abrotman: apparently. any known good workarounds or will the -o force-loopbreak work? |
| 19:56.47 | tarzeau | illsci: you'll find out, it's really easy |
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| 19:57.22 | kl1 | weasel testing main, testing updates main |
| 19:57.24 | weasel | brittman914: it's not like I haven't given reiser its chance |
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| 19:57.33 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:57.33 | dpkg | i guess qotd125 is <exobyte> California should steal .ca from canada <exobyte> our state flower causes people to fail drug tests. how kick ass is that?! |
| 19:57.34 | kl1 | debian.org |
| 19:57.35 | weasel | kl1: so you are not using sarge, but a development release |
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| 19:57.56 | abrotman | weasel: for that e2fsprog thign ? |
| 19:57.58 | brittman914 | weasel: i just thought it was funny, why go with RFS |
| 19:58.00 | weasel | abrotman: yes |
| 19:58.21 | weasel | brittman914: I trusted it important data. (my squid cache). twice. random kernel panics no fun :) |
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| 19:58.33 | weasel | (squid cache was as important as I would go :) |
| 19:58.39 | kl1 | weasel #deb file://cdrom/ sarge main |
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| 19:59.11 | weasel | kl1: well, did you try what apt suggested? |
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| 19:59.26 | weasel | kl1: using Force-LoopBreak? |
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| 19:59.40 | kl1 | weasel i dont know how to use that |
| 19:59.44 | brittman914 | bbiaf |
| 19:59.45 | abrotman | weasel: none that i came up with .. |
| 19:59.52 | kl1 | Force-LoopBreak |
| 19:59.53 | abrotman | weasel: the guy drifted off .. said he could wait |
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| 20:00.15 | paulswm | I also use ext3 for everything except fat32 shares. I have had several test and real power-offs, and ext3 has always recovered cleanly for me. Sure it's a little slower, but safe > fast |
| 20:00.24 | weasel | kl1: so, you installed from CD. did you then download anything from the net too, or just the CD? |
| 20:00.26 | kl1 | weasel apt-get install Force-LoopBreak irssi? |
| 20:00.33 | weasel | kl1: also, who gave you debian? :) |
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| 20:01.13 | ecobit | what package during install does the debconf ask if hwclock is set to gmt? |
| 20:01.17 | weasel | ( ) yes, did download stuff, ( ) no, did not download stuff, ( ) don't know |
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| 20:01.28 | weasel | ecobit: base-config? |
| 20:01.31 | kl1 | weasel i installed from another computer cause my laptop don have cdrom and not floppy so i take the ardisk out and i installed in another machine |
| 20:01.42 | kl1 | and some from net too |
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| 20:01.49 | weasel | ok, too bad |
| 20:01.54 | illsci | tarzeau: yeah its not in this kernel image |
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| 20:02.12 | weasel | kl1: well, then try apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 install irssi |
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| 20:02.20 | illsci | tarzeau: how would i go about adding it |
| 20:02.22 | tarzeau | illsci: i'll check if it's in the kernel source , of course you can try yourself, the kernel headers are around |
| 20:02.25 | kl1 | weasel ok |
| 20:02.32 | weasel | kl1: and if it completely breaks your system then please stay with sarge next time |
| 20:02.37 | tarzeau | illsci: find the driver (is it in the stock kernel? is it anywhere) |
| 20:02.46 | illsci | let me look |
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| 20:03.03 | weasel | kl1: and do not use etch (testing) until it is stable next time |
| 20:03.08 | kl1 | weasel i install it from a sage cdrom |
| 20:03.20 | kl1 | sarge |
| 20:03.23 | weasel | kl1: but you use testing (etch) lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:03.34 | weasel | kl1: and you said you installed packages from the network, so it is not sarge anymore |
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| 20:03.52 | illsci | yes its in the stock kernel |
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| 20:04.13 | weasel | kl1: or did you just download the packages list but no packages from the internet? |
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| 20:04.37 | tarzeau | illsci: then it's easy, get the kernel source and headers, build it, done |
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| 20:04.40 | kl1 | yes packages from internet from ftp.debian.org |
| 20:04.48 | weasel | but not from sarge. |
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| 20:04.59 | websdale | I'm running etch (kern 2.6.11) & evolution-2.2.1 crashes every time it starts but only for my login - any ideas? |
| 20:05.02 | weasel | so you have now a development snapshot that may eat you any time. congratulations |
| 20:05.10 | illsci | and I can just copy over the driver.o |
| 20:05.14 | illsci | to the lib /modules dir |
| 20:05.17 | abrotman | websdale: do you have a better error message than that? |
| 20:05.18 | illsci | ? |
| 20:05.19 | tarzeau | illsci: yep |
| 20:05.20 | weasel | kl1: try the -o Apt:... |
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| 20:05.37 | kl1 | ok |
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| 20:05.54 | websdale | abrotman: there isn't an error message at all - I could paste the backtrace if that helps |
| 20:05.58 | weasel | kl1: is this the amd64 version? |
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| 20:06.06 | weasel | kl1: or which arch is that? |
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| 20:06.54 | abrotman | websdale: it won't help me .. i'm not a gnome developer |
| 20:07.13 | weasel | removing .gnome and .gtk and friends always works :) |
| 20:07.15 | abrotman | websdale: i'd check the BTS .. but you'll probably have more luck on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:07.15 | kl1 | weasel intel 386 |
| 20:07.23 | weasel | ok |
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| 20:07.29 | illsci | cool on debian it uses the tg3 driver |
| 20:07.36 | abrotman | i wanna go home ... being sick sucks |
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| 20:07.49 | stew | illsci: tg3 was removed from some debian kernels, its back in 2.6.12 |
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| 20:07.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's keeping you from not going home? |
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| 20:08.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm at work . i have work to do |
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| 20:08.06 | websdale | abrotman:yes,I just wondered if it was something well known thanks anyway:) |
| 20:08.11 | illsci | stew: well this is a 2.4.31 kernel |
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| 20:08.21 | abrotman | websdale: check the bts .. that's where we keep our well known bugs |
| 20:08.22 | abrotman | :) |
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| 20:08.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: how much more hours? |
| 20:08.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: and i'm *still* downloading oracle |
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| 20:08.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: 1.5-ish |
| 20:08.44 | nullity | Can anyone tell me if a 466mhz celeron, and 96mb's of ram is good enough to run debian with GNOME ??? i'm a noob to linux, but like a challenge [e.g. MANDRIVA and FEDORA are out] |
| 20:08.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: ohhhhh that'd make me sick too |
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| 20:08.50 | nullity | ? |
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| 20:09.00 | illsci | tarzeau: how would i tell which kernel your initrd.gz came from? |
| 20:09.01 | abrotman | nullity: gnome is pushing it .. but it might work .. xfce is a good alternative |
| 20:09.01 | tarzeau | nullity: no it's not |
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| 20:09.13 | streuner | nullity: it would be a pain |
| 20:09.13 | tarzeau | nullity: you'll be much more happy with something like amiwm on such a box |
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| 20:09.23 | nullity | fluxbox any good? |
| 20:09.23 | GodKilla- | ty all bye |
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| 20:09.27 | streuner | nullity: no matter you are running GNOME or KDE |
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| 20:09.41 | tarzeau | nullity: anything is any much better than G or K |
| 20:09.50 | nullity | heh |
| 20:10.19 | weasel | nullity: I have a challenge for you. try to use only one punctuation mark at the end of each sentence :) |
| 20:10.22 | streuner | nullity: /msg dpkg windowmanager |
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| 20:10.51 | streuner | nullity: /msg dpkg window manager |
| 20:10.51 | nullity | =D |
| 20:10.54 | nullity | k |
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| 20:11.06 | nullity | i |
| 20:11.14 | streuner | nullity: you can't know every factoid... |
| 20:11.21 | bipolar | does anyone know of a way to ping using a specific interface? I've got two interfaces on the same subnet and I need to test one but cant drop the other. |
| 20:11.32 | weasel | bipolar: that won't help much |
| 20:11.43 | weasel | bipolar: linux does weird things when 2 interfaces are on the same lan. |
| 20:11.59 | weasel | bipolar: mainly because it will answer arp requests for any of its addresses on every interface |
| 20:12.05 | tcsetattr | man ping; /-I |
| 20:12.18 | weasel | bipolar: but if you really want it, my ping has a -I switch |
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| 20:12.40 | weasel | bipolar: (package iputils-ping) |
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| 20:14.33 | streuner | in case somebody don't knows... |
| 20:14.37 | streuner | !nospambots |
| 20:14.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 20:14.38 | WE_R_DNA | What is a good way to learn how to setup a OSI Layer 3 |
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| 20:15.03 | stew | man 5 interfaces |
| 20:15.04 | weasel | bingo! |
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| 20:16.14 | peterS | WE_R_DNA: we don't do OSI layers. do you know what you *really* want to do, or not? |
| 20:16.37 | tcsetattr | if your vocabulary is filled with "OSI Layer" mumbo-jumbo, you might find _actual_ networks confusing |
| 20:16.57 | weasel | tcsetattr: how do I configure layer 6? |
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| 20:17.13 | WE_R_DNA | I want to have my 600mhz 64mb of ram HP computer become my router enabled with IPv6. This computer would route to |
| 20:17.13 | WE_R_DNA | the rest of the house. |
| 20:17.17 | peterS | layer 7! I wanna configure layer 7! |
| 20:17.18 | tcsetattr | layer 6 is where you put the peanut butter. |
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| 20:17.45 | tcsetattr | layer of nougat |
| 20:17.49 | weasel | WE_R_DNA: and what does it do at the moment? |
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| 20:18.33 | tcsetattr | IPv6 for home networking... when 10/8, 172.16/12, and 192.168/16 are not big enough? |
| 20:18.43 | TchMnkyz | hey all, |
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| 20:19.10 | weasel | tcsetattr: well, I have ipv6 at home, but ... |
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| 20:19.15 | TchMnkyz | i have this laptop with the lcd and hp wont give me the h/v specs of it so i can get the display right in X |
| 20:19.17 | WE_R_DNA | yeah, I thought it would be better than ipv4 |
| 20:19.21 | TchMnkyz | can someone help me figure it out |
| 20:19.33 | weasel | WE_R_DNA: I'ld stick with ipv4 for the time being |
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| 20:19.43 | WE_R_DNA | I want to skip collusion with packets |
| 20:19.50 | weasel | WE_R_DNA: huh? |
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| 20:20.11 | axlax | 'part |
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| 20:21.05 | WE_R_DNA | where can I buy a switch at? |
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| 20:21.23 | TchMnkyz | WE_R_DNA anywhere that sells puter parts usualy has them |
| 20:21.25 | tcsetattr | Radio Shack, Best Buy, Staples, Wal*Mart? |
| 20:21.37 | nvz | WE_R_DNA: pricewatch.com |
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| 20:21.55 | TchMnkyz | online at newegg.com, zipzoomfly, pricewatch, ... |
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| 20:22.05 | tcsetattr | try Froogle :) |
| 20:22.07 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:22.22 | olly | TchMnkyz: Does it have MS Windows; does taht tell you what you need in the control panel? |
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| 20:22.24 | WE_R_DNA | any recomendations on a brand of ethernet switch to use for at home? |
| 20:22.35 | weasel | WE_R_DNA: "cheap". |
| 20:22.41 | peterS | WE_R_DNA: dlink, linksys, etc., they all pretty much work fine |
| 20:22.46 | nvz | a switch is a switch is a switch for home use.. buy the cheapest |
| 20:22.48 | TchMnkyz | it dont specify the horizontal and verticle frequencies |
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| 20:22.57 | peterS | WE_R_DNA: what you don't want to do is spend $800 on a "smart switch" you don't need |
| 20:22.58 | weasel | at 10 to 20 bucks for a 8port you really don't care how good it is :) |
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| 20:23.02 | tcsetattr | as long as it has enough ports for you |
| 20:23.05 | nvz | TchMnkyz: what monitor? |
| 20:23.09 | trollboy | how can I see processes that might not be listed on ps aux? |
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| 20:23.23 | weasel | peterS: but it would be smarter |
| 20:23.32 | TchMnkyz | it is a Presario X6110 laptop |
| 20:23.36 | jethro | trollboy: use a crytal ball! |
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| 20:23.39 | nvz | trollboy: ask the person who owned you and hid them :P |
| 20:23.40 | TchMnkyz | 17 inch |
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| 20:23.52 | WE_R_DNA | yes a switch would be useful :) |
| 20:23.52 | nvz | TchMnkyz: then its an lcd, and the sync ranges dont really matter |
| 20:23.52 | trollboy | that's what I'm wondering nvz |
| 20:23.57 | weasel | TchMnkyz: why do you even care? |
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| 20:24.11 | weasel | TchMnkyz: X is doing just fine without you telling it what the screen can do |
| 20:24.12 | TchMnkyz | cuz it usualy wont go to 1440x900 in linux |
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| 20:24.40 | TchMnkyz | only in windows will it do 1440x900 |
| 20:24.44 | weasel | anyway, time for a smoke |
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| 20:24.55 | `Ku | What laptop? |
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| 20:25.00 | jethro | TchMnkyz: xfree/xorg can do 1920x1200 just fine, so I assume it can do 1440x900 |
| 20:25.04 | `Ku | My laptop will do 1440x |
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| 20:25.15 | TchMnkyz | X6110 |
| 20:25.21 | TchMnkyz | Compaq/HP |
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| 20:25.49 | nvz | you to realize the Presario... crap on your screen is not your model number right? |
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| 20:26.23 | Gnea | heh |
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| 20:27.19 | Gnea | nvz: yeah, they're tricky like that - just flip it over ;) |
| 20:27.19 | Sepho | hi all!!! |
| 20:27.19 | `Ku | I was about to kill a naboor |
| 20:27.19 | TchMnkyz | that is the modle number from the back side (bottom of laptop) |
| 20:27.19 | Sepho | anybody uses windowmaker? |
| 20:27.20 | nvz | thats the series. f.e. mine was a Presario 900 it said on the screen, its model number was Presario906US |
| 20:27.20 | TchMnkyz | not from the screen |
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| 20:27.20 | `Ku | The jerk was so nosey |
| 20:27.20 | Gnea | !anybody |
| 20:27.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 20:27.27 | Sepho | someone? :P |
| 20:27.36 | TchMnkyz | X6110US |
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| 20:27.45 | Sepho | what is the name of windowmaker package?? |
| 20:27.48 | TchMnkyz | that is the model num |
| 20:27.55 | jethro | Sepho: wmaker iirc |
| 20:27.59 | jethro | Sepho: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:28.07 | nvz | Gnea: seems its cheaper to print different shit on a million little white stickers than on a small oval plastic insert or something. |
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| 20:28.31 | rleigh | Sepho: "apt-cache search windowmaker" |
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| 20:28.47 | Sepho | yes, but i don't see the package of desktop |
| 20:29.07 | ElectricElf | Write |
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| 20:29.12 | ElectricElf | Oops, wrong window |
| 20:29.15 | jethro | :) |
| 20:29.19 | jethro | ECHAN! |
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| 20:30.55 | talisein | unless you want jumbo frames |
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| 20:31.07 | Sepho | I can't find the windowmaker package :'( |
| 20:31.09 | talisein | gah sorry, |
| 20:31.15 | nvz | heh there is a firefox extension called purple bunny :P |
| 20:31.16 | tcsetattr | wmaker is the main one. |
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| 20:31.35 | jshriver | greetings |
| 20:31.40 | vagabund | hm dist-upgrade to kde 3.4.2 works real fine :) |
| 20:31.55 | jshriver | anyoen know how to use mkisofs so that it can add files with the same filename but in different direectories? |
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| 20:32.01 | jshriver | I keep getting RR and joliet errors |
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| 20:32.39 | jethro | Sepho: as I told you earlier, it's called wmaker. I just checked, so it's no longer an IIRC comment |
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| 20:33.16 | tcsetattr | he's apparently missing something that he thinks is part of windowmaker |
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| 20:33.27 | `Ku | WOW the dvds for this is big |
| 20:33.30 | `Ku | Why 2 dvd;s? |
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| 20:33.38 | nvz | !dstats sarge |
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| 20:33.45 | nvz | `Ku: because it won't fit on one |
| 20:34.00 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
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| 20:34.18 | cbr | !dstats sid |
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| 20:34.26 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17269 packages, 1595 maintainers, 34376 MB installed size, 11083 MB compressed size. |
| 20:34.33 | `Ku | I have a IBM ThinkPad T43 I am going to install it on |
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| 20:34.39 | nvz | well actually seems it would fit on a dual-layer cause its only 8871MB compressed and dual-layer should hold like 9GB |
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| 20:34.56 | `Ku | Does it have a ports system |
| 20:35.00 | `Ku | like BSD |
| 20:35.09 | nvz | no |
| 20:35.12 | abrotman | `Ku: binary packages |
| 20:35.22 | `Ku | So no type of port system |
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| 20:35.39 | abrotman | you can compile packages .. but well .. why bother :) |
| 20:35.39 | nvz | no need |
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| 20:35.48 | nvz | apt has super cow powers |
| 20:35.50 | abrotman | welcome to the land of the lazy people! |
| 20:35.54 | jethro | `Ku: you could always build all packages from source, but it's really not something I'd do with debian |
| 20:35.54 | nvz | doesnt need a ports system |
| 20:36.04 | abrotman | cue: Phil Colins : stage right! |
| 20:36.09 | nvz | apt, moo |
| 20:36.11 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
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| 20:36.40 | `Ku | Will it elum bsd programs |
| 20:36.41 | nvz | why is apt called apt_ and why did it respond to apt.. heh |
| 20:36.49 | abrotman | elum ? |
| 20:36.58 | nvz | think thats yinzer for emulate |
| 20:37.04 | abrotman | nvz: probably timeout thing .. and still scans for the same nick |
| 20:37.08 | Ruglia | Hey, I'm trying to install sarge but whenever I get to about 3/4 of installing the base system, it says, "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources. The current default kernel package is 'kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386'. You may try to continue though this rather strange error is probably fatal." I've tried installing it using jigdo to get it, full cd image, and netinst with no go. Any ideas? |
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| 20:37.49 | nvz | !yinzersmite `Ku |
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| 20:38.15 | outlaw84 | when you are running netstat how do you get it to show the whole foregin adress? I cuts it down by default :/ |
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| 20:38.32 | abrotman | say what? |
| 20:38.42 | abrotman | -n ? |
| 20:38.46 | abrotman | read the man page |
| 20:38.47 | nvz | making yinzersmites isnt as easy as it looks. I tried to make some new ones, but I am stuck. most yinzerisms are pronouns and you cant really use em in a smite |
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| 20:38.49 | `Ku | lol I will not be geting a bluetooth phone any time soon |
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| 20:39.07 | outlaw84 | I want it resolved |
| 20:39.08 | urandom | outlaw84: you could pipe it through "less -S" |
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| 20:39.22 | urandom | outlaw84: use the right arrow key to scroll right |
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| 20:39.38 | hmakholm | urandom: It's netstat itself that displays the address in a fixed-width field. |
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| 20:40.03 | outlaw84 | but it keeps cuting them short ie baym-sb52.msgr.hot:1863 |
| 20:40.05 | tcsetattr | programs that truncate columns should be shot |
| 20:40.10 | nvz | well at least they require use of pronouns |
| 20:40.15 | tcsetattr | outlaw, use netstat -n and do the hostname lookup yourself |
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| 20:40.34 | tcsetattr | and that one is gonna be hotmail.com :) |
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| 20:40.53 | |ee | hi |
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| 20:41.07 | |ee | i have a camera vivicam 3330 i need to instaled |
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| 20:41.59 | abrotman | outlaw84: -n .. read the freaking man page |
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| 20:42.50 | outlaw84 | abrotman: -n doesn't resolve the IP... I need the hostnames in order to find a particullar ip |
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| 20:43.26 | abrotman | outlaw84: it did for me |
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| 20:43.27 | jethro | outlaw84: why not just compare IPs ? |
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| 20:44.34 | Joeee | ? |
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| 20:45.02 | outlaw84 | I reconize a someone from their hostname but not IP |
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| 20:45.12 | Joeee | how can i change resolution to 1024x768? |
| 20:45.15 | tcsetattr | get the netstat source, fix the stupid truncating bug and recompile it... and then file a bug report with your patch because you're not the only one who wants it fixed |
| 20:45.38 | tcsetattr | or tell your friends to make their hostnames shorter |
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| 20:46.00 | jethro | tcsetattr: I'd say it's a feature. think of using netstat in a 80x25 console, if it doesn't truncate, you won't see the port |
| 20:46.16 | jethro | tcsetattr: and you can always lookup the PTR record for a given IP if you *really* want hostnames |
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| 20:47.13 | britt | hey, just found something: what is lame refereed to in? I need libmp3lame.so |
| 20:47.14 | tcsetattr | better it should spill over onto the next line than to lose information to truncating... |
| 20:47.35 | tcsetattr | lame is probably not included in Debian for patent reasons |
| 20:47.35 | jethro | now that's an even more stupid idea |
| 20:47.39 | nvz | anyone know of an easy way to tear links out of html? I need to tokenize it somehow I guess cause html is insensitive to whitespace for the most part.. so there could be 100 links on one physical line |
| 20:47.45 | jethro | britt: /msg dpkg lame |
| 20:47.55 | tcsetattr | bah, truncating is stupid. line wrapping is fine. Should ls -l trim long filenames too? |
| 20:48.00 | nvz | britt: you cant have it |
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| 20:48.20 | Joeee | i am new to debian, so i installed it but it only allow to choose such resolutions 640x480 and 800x600, but i need 1024x768? how can i do this? |
| 20:48.20 | Gnea | !ops *!*@194.102.171.90 *!*@194.102.171.91 *!*@194.102.171.92 *!*@194.102.171.93 *!*@194.102.171.94 *!*@194.102.171.95 is a rotating spam block |
| 20:48.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: *!*@194.102.171.90 *!*@194.102.171.91 *!*@194.102.171.92 *!*@194.102.171.93 *!*@194.102.171.94 *!*@194.102.171.95 is a rotating spam block |
| 20:48.21 | jethro | nvz: use perl, and split() |
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| 20:48.45 | nvz | IIRC the lame package contains something else like liblame0.so.1 or some shit which is the same thing under a different name than most things look for |
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| 20:48.52 | abrotman | Gnea: best of luck to you :) |
| 20:48.54 | LoRez | Gnea: /topic |
| 20:48.55 | julio_linux | hola |
| 20:48.56 | Greek0 | hmm. At my debian installation on sparc I've created a bsd partition table, but the kernel doesn't seem to recognize it, at least devfs doesn |
| 20:49.07 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: there's really nothing that can be done about them wihtout the ability to kline them |
| 20:49.08 | julio_linux | alguien sabe komo konfigurar el ddclient? |
| 20:49.10 | Greek0 | 't create block devs for the single partitions |
| 20:49.17 | nvz | jethro: my perl-fu is beyond weak, its non-existant |
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| 20:49.33 | nvz | julio_linux: we speak english here, try #debian-es. |
| 20:49.38 | jethro | nvz: how would you do it then? manually? |
| 20:49.40 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: can't they .. iptables them out or something ? |
| 20:49.44 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: figured the ban might help, nevermind |
| 20:49.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: they can just kline them... |
| 20:49.49 | abrotman | or whatever os/firewall crap they use |
| 20:49.56 | tcsetattr | nvz, lynx -dump file.html ... it puts a list of links at the end |
| 20:49.56 | julio_linux | nvz gracias |
| 20:50.00 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the ircd has this feature... |
| 20:50.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: so Gnea should tell staff instead ? |
| 20:50.08 | CrocoJet | where I can find repositories debs ? |
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| 20:50.11 | abrotman | apt-setup |
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| 20:50.29 | nvz | tcsetattr: really? I was using links2 |
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| 20:50.33 | Gnea | here, i'll just shut up about spambots from now on :P |
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| 20:50.47 | dumezil | how can i use swap files as opposed to swap partition on linux? |
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| 20:51.20 | stew | dumezil: sure, man mkswap |
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| 20:51.22 | tcsetattr | make a big empty file, mkswap it, and add it to fstab |
| 20:51.35 | nvz | tcsetattr: cool, ty that'll work :) |
| 20:51.40 | dumezil | ok cool... pretty easy thanks |
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| 20:51.55 | syntaxx | point2play is in what package? |
| 20:52.01 | abrotman | Gnea: you could harass staff .. but they might send you to efnet if they get pissed :) |
| 20:52.01 | Joeee | i am new to debian, so i installed it but it only allow to choose such resolutions 640x480 and 800x600, but i need 1024x768? how can i do this? |
| 20:52.09 | fken | is there a program to cut scene in a divx movie ? |
| 20:52.13 | fken | under linux |
| 20:52.26 | tcsetattr | you might want to include lynx -image-links option to get the <img src> attributes too |
| 20:52.30 | jethro | fken: avisplit can do it iirc |
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| 20:52.52 | fken | jethro>thanks is it in the apt ? |
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| 20:53.02 | dumezil | joeee: you need a monitor that supports that mode or change your XFree86-4.conf file to use higher resolutions |
| 20:53.04 | nvz | I've only figured out so far how to dump the movie to image frames using mplayer and the vo plugin for jpg or png.. I havent figured out how to put them back together yet :P |
| 20:53.23 | jethro | fken: I don't think it's in any official debian repository. I'd look at marillat's repo. /msg dpkg marillat, or just google it :) |
| 20:53.32 | tcsetattr | avisplit is part of the transcode package |
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| 20:53.35 | Joeee | monitor suports it |
| 20:53.40 | britt | so what can I use to get audacity to encode mp3s with? |
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| 20:53.51 | abrotman | lame ? |
| 20:53.53 | nvz | fken: jethro unofficial repo search is at apt-get.org |
| 20:54.06 | abrotman | !lame |
| 20:54.06 | dpkg | somebody said lame was : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
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| 20:54.42 | dumezil | joeee: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:54.45 | fken | abrotman>lame is for mp3 isnt it ? |
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| 20:54.53 | nvz | when I used audacity to encode mp3 using the marillat package, i had to finagle it a bit, because it didnt contain a file named libmp3lame.so that audacity was looking for |
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| 20:54.57 | abrotman | fken: it wasn't for you |
| 20:55.02 | nvz | the lib was called something else |
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| 20:55.05 | fken | nvz>its not in etch source of amd64 |
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| 20:55.12 | jethro | fken: it's in marillat |
| 20:55.17 | jethro | !tell fken -about marillat |
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| 20:56.04 | fken | <jethro>i already have a marillat source |
| 20:56.10 | fken | but for amd64 |
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| 20:56.36 | jethro | fken: you'll have to build your own package, or use a 32bit chroot I'd say |
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| 20:56.44 | jethro | fken: I don't know much about amd64 |
| 20:56.57 | fken | i know nothing about 32bit chroot |
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| 20:57.19 | tcsetattr | the source is www.transcoding.org |
| 20:57.31 | kl1 | gracias atodos los que me ayudaron =D ya esta funcinando apt-get =D gracias en especial a metatux :) |
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| 20:57.45 | fken | fken@posseidon:~$ apt-cache search movie |
| 20:57.46 | fken | pornview - Image and movie viewer/manager |
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| 20:59.18 | fken | i try kino |
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| 20:59.43 | vagabund | what the hell is kino? |
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| 21:00.23 | jdhutchin1 | vagabund, a video editing tool |
| 21:00.34 | nvz | there is just nothing like a killer one-line script |
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| 21:00.52 | fken | <vagabund>i dunno but its written something about editng video in my apt |
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| 21:00.54 | raclure | lo |
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| 21:01.17 | fken | <raclure>lol hello nice name |
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| 21:01.29 | raclure | fken: thx :) |
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| 21:02.06 | opFoo | anyone could give a low down how to get a debian to boot in console (no X) mode? |
| 21:02.35 | jethro | !tell opFoo -about nodm |
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| 21:02.56 | rleigh | opFoo: Just add "single" or "emergency" to the kernel command line. |
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| 21:03.48 | rleigh | opFoo: Alternatively, use update-rc.d to configure X to start in a runlevel > 2. |
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| 21:04.02 | opFoo | that is what I was looking for thanks |
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| 21:06.05 | fken | hello |
| 21:06.07 | nvz | normally when I do a while in shell I use something like "cat foo | while read bar; do echo bar; done" can I put each of those on separate lines can I omit the ; when writing a script? |
| 21:06.17 | fken | ive been sent to deb overflow |
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| 21:06.33 | nvz | fken: you're in #debian now |
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| 21:06.38 | fken | i know |
| 21:06.50 | nvz | so whats your point :P |
| 21:06.56 | fken | hum i cant open a dicx with kino |
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| 21:07.05 | fken | and there is no lame n my sources |
| 21:07.23 | nvz | what the hell does divx have to do with lame |
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| 21:07.34 | adrakoa | hi |
| 21:07.37 | fken | ask to abrotman |
| 21:07.44 | abrotman | ask what? |
| 21:07.47 | jethro | hah |
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| 21:08.00 | abrotman | fken: i told you 15 minutes ago .. that lame wasn't for you . it was for britt |
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| 21:08.22 | fken | <abrotman>oh so who s the one who spoke about lame... |
| 21:08.27 | fken | im confused |
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| 21:08.43 | abrotman | fken: i did .. but britt asked how to encode mp3s with audacity . and i said lame .. and then i told you lame wasn't for you .. |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | nvz: throat-nose-ears? |
| 21:08.57 | jazzanova | hi |
| 21:08.58 | fken | oh ok |
| 21:09.00 | fken | lol |
| 21:09.07 | jazzanova | i took my old hard-drive and dd'ed all the partitions into files. now i want to dd it back to a new hard drive that is larger. how should i define my partitions on the new drive ? |
| 21:09.10 | nvz | abrotman: trail-and-error you zoof |
| 21:09.15 | abrotman | eheh |
| 21:09.16 | jazzanova | can i make them larger than the corresponding ones in the original drive ? |
| 21:09.24 | fken | anyway i need to cut a simple scene of a divx |
| 21:09.33 | weasel | jazzanova: which filesystem? |
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| 21:09.45 | jethro | fken: just get transcode from marillat or from their website, and build it |
| 21:09.47 | jazzanova | ext3, ext3 and one of them is win2k |
| 21:09.53 | jazzanova | fat |
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| 21:09.56 | jazzanova | fat 16 |
| 21:09.56 | fken | because a madcow though 710Mb was the official size of the cd |
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| 21:10.09 | weasel | jazzanova: making your partitions greater and then dding stuff into them should work |
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| 21:10.21 | weasel | jazzanova: you then need to use something like xfsgrows or ext2resize |
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| 21:10.30 | saloxin | jazzanova: can you mount them with -o loop ? |
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| 21:11.04 | nvz | hmm I just realized I only wanted to specify this name once as a command line param and I need it both all lower case and properly capitalized in two different places :( |
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| 21:11.15 | jazzanova | haven't tried. i did: did if=/dev/hda1 | ssh xxx 'cat > hda1' |
| 21:11.16 | chrysopa | How to exclude all hidden files from a directory in a rsync command? |
| 21:11.18 | nvz | ah maybe it wont matter |
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| 21:11.54 | chrysopa | I try to exclude all hidden files from my home, but dont from my subdiretories. |
| 21:11.56 | trollboy | off topic question for you guys since the guys in #exim don't seem to want to answer.. we were recently forced to switch from sendmail to exim.. and are getting a host of errors.. I asked if creating a symlink from /usr/sbin/sendmail to /usr/sbin/exim would fix it and they said it would work, so I did it, and it doesn't. Any other thoughts? |
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| 21:12.02 | jazzanova | weasel: so with ext3, after i dd them to the new spot, before i do anything else, i must use xfsgroes or ext2resize ? |
| 21:12.04 | Ruglia | Hey, I'm trying to install sarge but whenever I get to about 3/4 of installing the base system, it says, "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources. The current default kernel package is 'kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386'. You may try to continue though this rather strange error is probably fatal." I've tried installing it using jigdo to get it, full cd image, and netinst with no go. Any ideas? |
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| 21:12.29 | Gnea | abrotman: i try to limit my harrassments to no more than twice per day :) |
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| 21:12.36 | Zugschlus | trollboy: you received an answer in #exim |
| 21:12.38 | abrotman | !harrass Gnea |
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| 21:12.39 | saloxin | trollboy: didn't exim provide a /usr/lib/sendmail ? |
| 21:12.46 | Gnea | ha |
| 21:12.49 | Zugschlus | trollboy: it wuld also have been a good idea to say that you're using Debian |
| 21:12.50 | jazzanova | i was also told that win2k must me relocated to start at the same cyllinder, or something like that ? is this true ? |
| 21:13.09 | Zugschlus | in that case, I could have answered that the Debian exim 4 packages already include a /usr/sbin/sendmail symlink |
| 21:13.18 | fken | <jethro> ill need help to do what people spoke about (chroot 32bits) but not now... its too late here |
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| 21:13.52 | saloxin | 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jun 6 02:44 /usr/lib/sendmail -> ../sbin/exim4 |
| 21:14.01 | saloxin | it does on sarge |
| 21:14.06 | trollboy | Zugschlus, check #exim |
| 21:14.11 | fken | Souhaitez-vous continuer ? [O/n] O |
| 21:14.11 | fken | Annulation. |
| 21:14.11 | jethro | fken: i don't mean to offend you but I'd /join #debian-fr if I were you (assuming you're french) |
| 21:14.32 | abrotman | and hoping you're not english |
| 21:14.33 | fken | <jethro>whats the problem ? |
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| 21:14.58 | jethro | fken: you'll get more efficient support if they can understand you |
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| 21:15.06 | zarathustra | hi |
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| 21:15.11 | foca | alguien habla espaol? |
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| 21:15.20 | zarathustra | i am trying to install debian etch in a dell inspiron 9300 |
| 21:15.20 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:15.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:15.27 | vorpal | hi folks. i have an amd ( automount) question, and i would appreciate any suggestions. I have an entry in my map file "* type:=link;fs:=/net/beta-01/${key}" which is supposed to create a symlink to the local user directories. My problem is that amd also creates bugus symlinks bogus symlinks. for example, someone types "bogus", and a dangling symlink is created by amd. is there someway amd can be configured to create links only to exi |
| 21:15.27 | vorpal | sting directories? |
| 21:15.28 | fken | if you read the previous lines youll understand that apt ask me would you like to continue i answered yes and it said cancel |
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| 21:15.42 | jethro | fken: I am french, I know what this meant |
| 21:15.43 | zarathustra | but the installer says it cant detect the cdrom !!! |
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| 21:15.58 | fken | jethro>more efficient ? really ? i really dont think so |
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| 21:16.03 | foca | gracias voy avr |
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| 21:16.30 | FromTO | I am trying to get a bash script that calls another script where you need to input some variables. The question is can I automate that. i.e can I have a default values given to the second script so it does not prompt for user input on standout anymore |
| 21:16.37 | karma1^ | I have the latest stable version(installed thru netinst) and I just installed gnome and xwindow system, but when I boot up it says cant load the gui, its not set up properly. As far as I know, I set it up correctly when the config prompted me to, how can I go about fixing this or reconfiging this? |
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| 21:17.14 | abrotman | FromTO: #bash |
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| 21:17.46 | jethro | !tell karma1^ -about drxx |
| 21:18.09 | zarathustra | which paramters can i use in order that the installer detect de cdrom ??? |
| 21:18.16 | fken | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:18.28 | paulswm | FromTO: Yes, you can, but as abrotman said, ask in #bash, you can do it in several ways, for instance assigning default values if variables are undefined |
| 21:18.29 | slidesinger | I had a power failure the other day. When power was restored and the computer rebooted, the USB mouse suddenly stopped working. I checked, input.o, mousedev.o, and hid.o are all installed, though hid.o is reported as being unused. The mouse is listed in /proc/bus/usb/devices, but cat /dev/input/mice produces nothing but a blank screen. Yesterday the mouse was listed as hiddev0 in dmesg. |
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| 21:18.32 | slidesinger | I came across a note that raw HID support should be removed from the kernel and did. Once this was done, dmesg shows the mouse on usb2:2.0. Does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 21:18.47 | FromTO | thanks guys |
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| 21:19.00 | paulswm | FromTO: yw |
| 21:19.04 | kurumin | hi |
| 21:19.09 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 21:19.09 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 21:19.26 | kurumin | sim brazilian rules |
| 21:19.36 | fken | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.46 | abrotman | what? |
| 21:19.47 | karma1^ | jethro: now, the first time i configured the xserver, I thought I did it correctly, what should I do differently now? Should I just do the same thing and it should work? |
| 21:19.52 | fken | but debian-fr was useless when i came there |
| 21:19.58 | abrotman | fken: i'm not even sure what you're asking to do |
| 21:20.07 | jethro | karma1^: how would I know? |
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| 21:20.17 | abrotman | jethro: i think he's saying the french are useless? :) |
| 21:20.19 | jethro | abrotman: I think he's still confused :) |
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| 21:20.29 | jethro | >_< |
| 21:20.39 | fken | abrotman>now ? I am trying to change the size of a divx from 710Mb to 702Mb |
| 21:20.41 | abrotman | badoxygen died |
| 21:20.54 | abrotman | growisofs ? or whatever it's called ? |
| 21:20.56 | jethro | fken: I suggested avisplit, which is part of transcode, maybe an hour ago |
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| 21:21.07 | paulswm | jethro: vive la France! Vive la Software Entente Cordiale! |
| 21:21.15 | abrotman | oh .. he doesn't want to just shrink it .. he wants to remove a part of it ? |
| 21:21.19 | jethro | fken: I'm still convinced it's a good solution, if not THE solution, and you didn't even bother to try it as per my understanding |
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| 21:21.23 | marts | I am trying to work out which 2.6 kernel image I should choose to upgrade to. /proc/cpuinfo says Model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor cpu family : 6 model : 6 |
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| 21:21.32 | abrotman | marts: probably -k7 |
| 21:21.37 | tcsetattr | he couldn't find pre-compiled amd64 avisplit so he gave up |
| 21:21.47 | abrotman | marts: assuming only one CPU |
| 21:21.49 | CrocoJet | bad idea go to kernel-image -k7 |
| 21:21.50 | jethro | tcsetattr: right |
| 21:21.53 | marts | yes 1 cpu. |
| 21:21.56 | abrotman | CrocoJet: why? |
| 21:22.01 | fken | <jethro>but its not in the apt then ill have to compile it but now ill go sleeping |
| 21:22.07 | CrocoJet | here .. lot bugs |
| 21:22.18 | abrotman | CrocoJet: he should try it .. it is built for his CPU .. |
| 21:22.18 | CrocoJet | problems with alsa |
| 21:22.19 | CrocoJet | etc |
| 21:22.27 | abrotman | CrocoJet: well . that sounds like it could be your motherboard .. |
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| 21:22.32 | Ruglia | Are there any known problems with the minimal net install cd saying there's no configured apt sources? |
| 21:22.39 | jethro | fken: it's just a matter of typing "apt-get source transcode" , then building the package |
| 21:22.39 | CrocoJet | soundblaster board |
| 21:22.39 | marts | I'm thinking is mine a K6 since model and stepping = 6 from cpuinfo. |
| 21:22.48 | jethro | fken: anyway, good night if you're going to sleep |
| 21:22.50 | fken | <jethro>i believe its a good solution to |
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| 21:23.01 | eguzkia | hi |
| 21:23.05 | fken | <jethro>oh i didnt know that command |
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| 21:23.13 | tcsetattr | no, K6 is a K6. Athlon is a K7. K6 is older than Athlon. |
| 21:23.14 | CrocoJet | and also .. problems with interruptions mode .. I dont know why i386 .. works very well |
| 21:23.17 | paulswm | marts: Athlons are K7s |
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| 21:23.20 | CrocoJet | i have athlon 1800 XP |
| 21:23.21 | eguzkia | someone have problem gpg key when try to update the system? |
| 21:23.24 | fken | <jethro>no source |
| 21:23.28 | abrotman | marts: Athlon is k7 |
| 21:23.33 | jethro | fken: you'll need deb-src lines for that. man apt-get man sources.list |
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| 21:23.40 | marts | ok thanks folks. |
| 21:23.45 | paulswm | marts: yw |
| 21:24.23 | marts | sorry paulswm? what is 'yw' |
| 21:24.34 | fken | <jethro>i ve them |
| 21:24.47 | talisein | yw=you're welcome |
| 21:24.50 | paulswm | marts: "You're welcome" :) |
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| 21:25.32 | marts | ok. This has been the fastest quickest answer I've ever had on IRC. Thanks. |
| 21:26.12 | paulswm | marts: That's because a lot of us are running Athlons, I expect, I've got two right here :) |
| 21:26.21 | Overfiend | marts: that's impossible, I have it on good authority that this channel sucks ;-) |
| 21:26.33 | abrotman | Overfiend: all depends who you ask :) |
| 21:26.34 | jethro | fken: get the upstream source if marillat doesn't provide debian source packages for transcode |
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| 21:26.41 | paulswm | Overand: But apparently debian-fr sucks more :) |
| 21:26.48 | abrotman | and tell Overfiend too! |
| 21:26.49 | eguzkia | http://www.policestate21.com/911trailer.html |
| 21:26.53 | abrotman | not just Overand .. |
| 21:26.53 | Overfiend | I'm not "Overand", damnit. |
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| 21:27.03 | fken | upstream source ? |
| 21:27.09 | abrotman | Overfiend: don't fret .. abauer gets all my mail :) |
| 21:27.15 | paulswm | Overand: Sorry wrong nick |
| 21:27.18 | Overfiend | bwa ha. |
| 21:27.37 | paulswm | Overfiend: Sorry, here, have a shot of tequila. |
| 21:27.45 | fken | jethro>whats the apt sourcelist line for the upstream source ? |
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| 21:29.03 | Mjelva-linux | case: i'm trying to install ndiswrapper in order to get my wifi card to work. the guide i'm following requires me to compile it myself, and assumes i already have kernel headers installed. i don't. how do i find out which ones to get? |
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| 21:29.29 | jethro | fken: it's not available as a debian package, so there's no sources.list entry for it. try www.transcoding.org |
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| 21:29.58 | jethro | fken: and don't /msg me without asking me first ... |
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| 21:30.27 | tcsetattr | if you're going to use transcode though, beware it's not exactly an interactive experience. You specify how many frames you want to keep, and how many you want to cut... or you give exact timestamps on the command line. |
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| 21:31.40 | jethro | !tell fken -about msg |
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| 21:32.39 | fken | <jethro>ok thank you |
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| 21:32.45 | pedro420 | Hi. Can someone help me with something ? I had a wireless mouse but it doesn't seem to work anymore. I need to use the one that came with the pc but it doesn't seem to want to work either. I think that the person who setup my OS must not have loaded the original mouse port. How can I fix that ? |
| 21:32.45 | cockroach | i'm trying to do a netinstall. the client get the correct bootp answer and then requests the boot image via tftp - it does, however, not seem to get any data (tcpdump/ethereal show that the server sends an "Option Acknowledgement" instead of a data packet). it works just fine if I try to get the file using the tftp client. What might be wrong there? |
| 21:32.47 | jethro | Mjelva-linux: apt-get install module-assistant; m-a a-i ndiswrapper; |
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| 21:33.07 | abrotman | haha .. bootp .. tftp .. how many animals have you sacrificed? |
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| 21:33.15 | jethro | heh |
| 21:33.16 | Mjelva-linux | jethro - are those two different commands, or should i type in everything after the : verbatim? |
| 21:33.21 | cockroach | abrotman: :) |
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| 21:33.43 | abrotman | and he thinks i'm joking |
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| 21:33.49 | jethro | Mjelva-linux: those are two different commands on a single line. notice the ';' |
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| 21:33.58 | vagabund | lol |
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| 21:34.40 | paulswm | see ya abrotman |
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| 21:35.35 | Mjelva-linux | jethro - "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use" |
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| 21:35.40 | Mjelva-linux | do i need to update debian? |
| 21:35.44 | bitlogic | which package provides LWP::UserAgent on perl? |
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| 21:36.24 | fken | ill tryu cvs because its getting boring |
| 21:36.25 | tcsetattr | LWP stands for libwww-perl |
| 21:37.16 | bitlogic | tcsetattr, thanls |
| 21:37.20 | bitlogic | thanks |
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| 21:39.08 | illsci | tarzeau: whats your email |
| 21:39.23 | micka | Starting web server: Apache2(2)No such file or directory: apache2: could not open error log file /var/log/apache2/error.log. |
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| 21:39.50 | micka | i have create directory with permission 777 but after reboot directory removed from my st |
| 21:40.04 | micka | from my system have you idea |
| 21:40.06 | micka | ? |
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| 21:40.59 | bitlogic | can I downgrade my system using preferences file from apt? |
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| 21:41.22 | pedro420 | Can someone here help me with a problem ? I had a usb wireless mouse but it quit working. Now I have to use the one that came with the pc but the person that setup my OS must not have activated the original mouse port. How can I fix that ? |
| 21:41.23 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 21:41.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 21:42.00 | valdyn | !usb mouse |
| 21:42.00 | dpkg | from memory, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 21:42.32 | Mjelva-linux | !usbmouse |
| 21:42.33 | dpkg | somebody said usbmouse was [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
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| 21:42.36 | bitlogic | valdyn, thanks |
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| 21:43.15 | micka | do you have apache2 dir in you /var/log ? |
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| 21:43.45 | fken | oh abrotman I forgot (i dunno if i spoke about that with you) : my floppy disk on my laptop isnt recognized and even it isnt installed |
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| 21:44.49 | Mjelva-linux | 'm-a a-i ndiswrapper' returned: "Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use" |
| 21:45.03 | Mjelva-linux | what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:45.04 | valdyn | Mjelva-linux: uname -r |
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| 21:45.20 | fken | so see ya everyone |
| 21:45.26 | Mjelva-linux | that's the kernel header i need? thanks. |
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| 21:45.42 | valdyn | Mjelva-linux: no, paste the output of that command |
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| 21:45.56 | MDM | Anyone know... whats the name of that app in GNOME that forces an misbehaving app to close? |
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| 21:46.20 | valdyn | MDM: err? |
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| 21:46.32 | valdyn | MDM: that's done by your window manager |
| 21:46.45 | beardy | MDM: Just "right-click" or similar and "Kill" ? |
| 21:47.10 | MDM | I don't have kill in my right-click menu |
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| 21:47.22 | Mjelva-linux | valdyn - 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 21:47.58 | valdyn | Mjelva-linux: alrght, that would make 'apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' then |
| 21:48.01 | Mjelva-linux | valdyn - apt-search cache ndiswrapper returns a packaged named ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:48.11 | Mjelva-linux | that the one, then? |
| 21:48.16 | valdyn | Mjelva-linux: feel free to just use that then |
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| 21:48.25 | Mjelva-linux | thanks, mate. |
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| 21:49.02 | valdyn | Mjelva-linux: clicking on the close icon ( top right on your window's top ) already does that. |
| 21:49.16 | valdyn | Mjelva-linux: ops, wrong target. |
| 21:49.40 | Mjelva-linux | no big |
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| 21:49.51 | outlaw84 | is it posible to have two different XF86Configs and be able to switch beetween them easily? |
| 21:50.09 | valdyn | outlaw84: whats hard about 'cp' ? |
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| 21:50.22 | Gathond | outlaw84: you can probably supply the configuration file as an argument to X, so yes |
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| 21:50.34 | outlaw84 | valdyn: thats a hack I was looking for a real solution |
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| 21:50.39 | hcy | how do i get the window id of a terminal/ |
| 21:50.40 | hcy | ? |
| 21:50.50 | valdyn | outlaw84: that's not a hack. |
| 21:51.25 | dumezil | outlaw84: what real solution are you trying for? why do you want to have two different xf86configs? |
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| 21:51.36 | outlaw84 | In my case I am driver switching... so its easier for me to just edit the file then |
| 21:51.49 | Gathond | outlaw84: even if X should not take an argument, then write a script that does and takes appropiate action |
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| 21:52.39 | beardy | outlaw84: Why is that a hack, sounds like a good solution to me, write a script that copies the first one to another name/place, then puts the alternative in place, call it xconftoggler.sh or simillar. |
| 21:52.50 | pedro420 | Can someone tell me how I could select what mouse I want my pc to use ? |
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| 21:53.12 | valdyn | !unix lessons |
| 21:53.12 | dpkg | from memory, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 21:53.23 | valdyn | see (3) ;) |
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| 21:53.40 | dumezil | cp /etc/X11/XF86config-4.conf1 /etc/X11/XF86config-4; startx |
| 21:53.48 | beardy | valdyn: Nice one, haven't seen it before. |
| 21:53.49 | dumezil | >> xconftoggler.sh |
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| 21:54.19 | jethro | outlaw84: create different device sections and layout sections, then use the -layout argument to xorg (man xorg) |
| 21:54.23 | mfrisch | I'm getting a i/o whirlwind on hda and it borks my mbr..this is new to sarge, usually run testing, this is probally because of my kernel, right? |
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| 21:54.29 | beardy | dumezil: Not really, and use an editor instead. |
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| 21:54.48 | outlaw84 | copying files and making a script is not simple... I'll stick with chaning the location of # in the file :) |
| 21:54.49 | jethro | outlaw84: that way you just maintain a single configuration file |
| 21:54.55 | dumezil | beardy whatever... i was just trying to show what he really wants to do can be really really simple |
| 21:55.22 | ma3x | hey what means 40 love in tennis? |
| 21:55.30 | ma3x | or 40 luv? |
| 21:55.34 | jethro | 40 - 0 |
| 21:55.42 | beardy | ma3x: love is zero |
| 21:55.50 | ma3x | hm :) |
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| 21:56.05 | weasel | ma3x: in english 0 is such an important concept that they have about a gazillion names for it |
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| 21:56.22 | ma3x | weasel, name a few ...... |
| 21:56.32 | weasel | nul, nil, zero, oh, love :) |
| 21:56.52 | mfrisch | zip nata |
| 21:56.56 | dotsony | hey |
| 21:57.08 | dotsony | just got t43, am I better off with sid? |
| 21:57.15 | britt | how do i install a .bin file? it's JRE from sun |
| 21:57.15 | dotsony | i'm running sarge right now |
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| 21:57.31 | Kerr | dotsony: if you have to ask anything about sid the answer is no, i guess. |
| 21:57.43 | beardy | dotsony: Be specific. What is "t43"? |
| 21:57.44 | dotsony | heh |
| 21:57.49 | kadigibox | I have an olympus digital audio voice recorder. Does anyone know how I connect to the device on linux? |
| 21:57.53 | ma3x | beardy, prolly some laptop |
| 21:57.54 | Kerr | not that i know anything about it. |
| 21:57.56 | dotsony | ibm t43 notebook |
| 21:58.09 | dotsony | i guess it's lenovo now |
| 21:58.09 | mfrisch | kadigibox is it usb? |
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| 21:58.16 | kadigibox | yes its USB |
| 21:58.24 | britt | dotsony: um i would go with no, esp with a new IBM notebook |
| 21:58.41 | dotsony | i'm concerned with ati driver support |
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| 21:59.01 | mfrisch | kadigibox give me a sec |
| 21:59.01 | britt | dotsony: didn't ATI release linux drivers? |
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| 21:59.03 | dotsony | someone told me that X.org has a free driver of some sort |
| 21:59.09 | dotsony | britt: they suck |
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| 21:59.20 | britt | dotsony: ah.... figures :) |
| 21:59.22 | dotsony | acpi suspend issues |
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| 21:59.33 | dotsony | but i guess no one here knows firsthand |
| 21:59.35 | britt | dotsony: wait, that's the only problem? |
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| 21:59.42 | kadigibox | kk thanks mfrisch |
| 21:59.42 | dotsony | among other things |
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| 21:59.48 | micka | i lost dir after reboot in var/log why ? |
| 21:59.56 | micka | lost privoxy dir apache2 sir |
| 22:00.00 | micka | /sir/dir |
| 22:00.02 | dany2k | hey anybody has experience with aacraid? |
| 22:00.09 | micka | no |
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| 22:00.23 | shamu | I just read the long, torturous discussion of it on the openbsd mailing list yesterday |
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| 22:00.30 | shamu | (aacraid) |
| 22:00.47 | micka | what is |
| 22:00.53 | shamu | they're the only device explicitly black/dark-gray listed on the openbsd hardware compatibilty page |
| 22:00.57 | duncf | is it possible to forward a port to another port based on the source ip (using iptables, i guess)? |
| 22:01.02 | mfrisch | kadigibox usb-storage should be loaded into the module...lsmod|grep usb_storage first to make sure |
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| 22:01.07 | Gathond | duncf: yes |
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| 22:01.10 | karma1^ | I'm trying to run gnome under the latest stable verison of Debian (installed via netinst) but after I run the config and goto start gdm, it says it cant start the x server because its prolly not set up correctly. I've ran the config several times and cant seem to figure out whats not setup correctly, anyway to fix this? |
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| 22:01.24 | beardy | duncf: Yes |
| 22:01.30 | dany2k | alright. well i know that aacraid is supports kernel 2.6.x but do you know if its stable? |
| 22:01.31 | duncf | Gathond, beardy: cool, thanks |
| 22:01.32 | kadigibox | mfrisch, I get nothing |
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| 22:01.58 | mfrisch | kadigibox do you have hotplug? |
| 22:02.07 | Gathond | wauw, someone actually satisfied with a yes/no answer |
| 22:02.08 | kadigibox | dunno... |
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| 22:02.22 | kadigibox | sorry mfrisch I am a bit of a newbie |
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| 22:02.31 | mfrisch | kadigibox modprobe usb_storage |
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| 22:02.41 | shamu | dany2k: http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html |
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| 22:02.48 | mfrisch | kadigibox all as root |
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| 22:03.08 | shamu | dany2k: search on aac ... I extrapolate this to mean that aac devices are iffy on opensource systems |
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| 22:03.24 | kadigibox | ok I did modprobe usb_storage |
| 22:03.29 | micka | karma1^: dpkg-reconfigure lepaquetxfree |
| 22:03.36 | shamu | kadigibox: -- running sarge? |
| 22:03.42 | dany2k | shamu: well, dell offers raid-server with linux who use aacraid, but i dont want to pay for the expensive distribution costs and will try to get i done by myself... |
| 22:03.52 | kadigibox | shamu, yes sarge |
| 22:04.04 | shamu | what kind of usb device? |
| 22:04.06 | dany2k | shamu: thx. |
| 22:04.07 | nvz | hmm I just figured out why this program was seemingly scrolling the dir tree window on me earlier and driving me nuts. it was because I had scripts updating the tree |
| 22:04.23 | kadigibox | shamu, Olympus Digital Voice Recorder |
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| 22:04.37 | shamu | dany2k welcome, your mileage may vary, of course. However, this discussion on the openbsd mailing list was legendary, over adaptec's aac products |
| 22:04.41 | Ruglia | Is there any sarge cd image that doesn't have problems with missing kernels or valid mirrors not being configured? |
| 22:05.21 | mfrisch | Ruglia netinst iso worked fine |
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| 22:05.33 | shamu | kadigibox: I visited this page: http://wiki.debian.net/?HardwareAutodetection |
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| 22:05.51 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 22:05.56 | jazzanova | again |
| 22:05.57 | jazzanova | :) |
| 22:06.08 | quad3datwork | is there a way to manual config network detection? damn install kept detecting firewire connection for eth0/eth1 even if i disabled it in bios |
| 22:06.11 | jazzanova | what do i need to do for my usb keyboard to work ? |
| 22:06.12 | dondelelcaro | Ruglia: I haven't noticed any problems like that with the official 3.1r0a isos |
| 22:06.15 | jazzanova | and usb mouse. |
| 22:06.16 | shamu | I ended up installing pretty much everything on this page and rebooting. After that, it autodetected my usb ports and did the right thing. However, I couldn't get it to auto-mount the devices |
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| 22:06.32 | beardy | Ruglia: With which cd image do you have problems, which one have you used? |
| 22:06.35 | Nysosym | Hi there! :) |
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| 22:07.26 | Nysosym | anybody there? |
| 22:07.33 | shamu | jazzanova: I visited this page: http://wiki.debian.net/?HardwareAutodetection and installed pretty much all the packages there, dn things started working for me after a reboot |
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| 22:07.38 | shamu | under sarge |
| 22:07.41 | shamu | your mileage may vary |
| 22:07.45 | Ruglia | mfrisch: Wish netinst, I keep getting the error saying, "The installer cannot figure out how to install the base system. No installable cd-rom was found and no valid mirror was configured." And when I try a full cd, it keeps saying, "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources. The current default kernel package is 'kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386'. You may try to continue though this rather strange error is probably fatal." |
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| 22:07.57 | Ruglia | This was never happening for me with older versions... |
| 22:08.03 | Mxyzpltk | quad3datwork: I had the same problem, very odd, what I did was just before the net config step I went to the second console, modprobe -r the firewire-eth module (can't remember name) and modprobed my nic's driver, then back to the install console and continue |
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| 22:08.10 | shamu | it's not a good approach, but I just wanted to try it out (it was a new box I was willing to install), so when I installed everything, it just all seemed to work |
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| 22:08.21 | ewr | Hi everyone, i just have plugged a usb drive, i want to mount it but i dono how to figure out "in" what it is... /dev/???? |
| 22:08.25 | ewr | anyone please |
| 22:08.26 | quad3datwork | Mxyzpltk, ok, thanks. i'll try that |
| 22:08.28 | ewr | ? |
| 22:08.37 | shamu | ewr: dmesg |
| 22:08.49 | shamu | at the bottom of the log, you sohuld see what partitions it detected, if any |
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| 22:09.50 | ewr | shamu, i don't want it's partitions, i want to create some and then format it to ext3 |
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| 22:10.28 | kadigibox | New Highspeed USB Device on Address 5 |
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| 22:10.43 | kadigibox | thats all I get from the device |
| 22:10.46 | shamu | ewr -- dmesg should show you the device name too -- /dev/sda, sdb, etc |
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| 22:10.53 | shamu | and it wll show you partitions, if any |
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| 22:11.05 | ewr | yeah got it |
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| 22:11.29 | ewr | but it's detected as a 33GB and not 200GB |
| 22:11.34 | shamu | hotplug and discover should pull in the necessary scsi modules and then produce a /dev node |
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| 22:12.08 | ewr | it's a very old mobo i even had to add a pci usb card |
| 22:12.10 | shamu | if it's not ... not sure what gives. |
| 22:12.15 | kadigibox | usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 5 thats all I get for the device |
| 22:12.38 | ewr | i see it |
| 22:12.39 | ewr | now |
| 22:12.44 | ewr | but not correctly |
| 22:12.47 | kadigibox | usb 2-2: config index 0 descriptor too short (expected 39, got 32) |
| 22:12.47 | kadigibox | usb 2-2: config 1 interface 0 altsetting 0 has 2 endpoint descriptors, different from the interface descriptor's value: 3 |
| 22:12.52 | kadigibox | thats from first time |
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| 22:13.48 | shamu | I may have had to install udev and hal as well, but I can't be sure. |
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| 22:14.19 | shamu | kadigibox -- lsmod | grep usb gives you hwat? |
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| 22:15.14 | ewr | usb-storage 54496 0 |
| 22:15.15 | ewr | usb-ohci 16488 0 (unused) |
| 22:15.15 | ewr | usbcore 52268 1 [usb-storage ehci-hcd usb-ohci] |
| 22:15.15 | ewr | scsi_mod 86052 4 [sd_mod usb-storage ide-scsi aic7xxx] |
| 22:15.15 | ewr | ide-core 91832 6 (autoclean) [usb-storage ide-scsi ide-cd ide-detect piix ide-disk] |
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| 22:15.25 | ewr | this was stupid from me |
| 22:15.36 | ewr | got it ? |
| 22:15.40 | ewr | 5 lines |
| 22:15.47 | shamu | ewr -- it does see your device, though -- as /dev/sd a? b? c? |
| 22:15.58 | ewr | shamu: sda |
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| 22:16.10 | ewr | SCSI device sda: 66055248 512-byte hdwr sectors (33820 MB) |
| 22:16.15 | ewr | but it's a 200GB Hd |
| 22:16.39 | shamu | I wonder if your usb<->ide bridge is too old to handle a drive of that size |
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| 22:16.54 | ewr | maybe |
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| 22:17.04 | ewr | but it uses scsi emulation |
| 22:17.27 | ewr | plugged right at the mobo as ide it's detected only as 33 |
| 22:17.35 | ewr | same that here |
| 22:17.39 | drac | Or just too old kernel? |
| 22:17.50 | ewr | thought that with scsi emu would be ok |
| 22:17.55 | ewr | drac, 2.4 |
| 22:18.03 | ewr | 2.4.27 |
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| 22:18.17 | drac | ewr: 2.4 is ancient, 2.6.8 is old (for that purpose) |
| 22:18.23 | kl1 | hi, any one knows what is a good media pleyer? |
| 22:18.24 | ewr | recent enough for this no ? |
| 22:18.27 | ewr | ok |
| 22:18.34 | ewr | i'll switch to 2.6 |
| 22:18.41 | antgel | !tell kl1 about mplayer |
| 22:18.42 | shamu | ewr -- you're absolutely correct; you're plugging it in as usb, right? |
| 22:18.45 | drac | latest 2.6 you can get your hands on .. |
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| 22:19.02 | kl1 | antgel thanks |
| 22:19.17 | shamu | ewr: dunno if the 2.6 will do it ... the limit I heard of was 128GB in the linux kernel itself, which was upgraded |
| 22:19.24 | shamu | ewr the 33gb sounds like a bios limit to me |
| 22:19.33 | ewr | shamu, yup, usb |
| 22:19.49 | shamu | ewr: how old is that usb enclosure? |
| 22:19.50 | ewr | same to me |
| 22:19.52 | drac | after bios loads kernel, kernel doesn't give a crap what bios does |
| 22:19.54 | ewr | hum |
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| 22:20.01 | ewr | dono it's a usb pci card i found |
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| 22:20.24 | shamu | ewr: and the usb drive/enclosure? |
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| 22:20.33 | ewr | hum |
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| 22:20.39 | shamu | oh wait a sec |
| 22:20.43 | ewr | enclosure is not so old |
| 22:20.52 | shamu | ewr: isn't there a jumper setting on some old drives to limit the size to 32G? |
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| 22:20.56 | kadigibox | shamu, http://channels.debian.net/paste/656 |
| 22:21.04 | ewr | shamu it's not set |
| 22:21.08 | ewr | checked |
| 22:21.18 | pusling | is there a quick way to make your own debian mirror with home-built packages ? |
| 22:21.20 | ewr | will check again though, for my conscience |
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| 22:21.32 | ewr | else i'll switch to 2.6.8-smp |
| 22:21.34 | ewr | brb |
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| 22:21.42 | kl1 | xmixer is a media player? |
| 22:21.52 | oabofh | how do I get ldconfig to search entire trees.. |
| 22:22.02 | oabofh | i put for exampole /usr/java/ and it only gets the ones in a few |
| 22:22.12 | oabofh | files |
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| 22:22.16 | oabofh | but not all subdirs |
| 22:22.37 | clojster | hi, I've got problems starting mysqld in TESTING... (I have upgraded now from sarge...) Do anybody know why? Should I post log message? |
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| 22:22.50 | ewr | definitly the 32 clip is disabled |
| 22:23.06 | ewr | shamu, any idea ? |
| 22:23.12 | clojster | oh and in bugs on debian.org isn't anything |
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| 22:23.43 | ewr | but i think 2.4 support that kind of crap |
| 22:23.45 | ewr | :/ |
| 22:23.50 | shamu | ewr: ... I'm kind of stuck at this point. I myself would try plugging the USB enclosure into a different system (like a windows system), and/or try booting knoppix and seeing if it sees the enclosure differently |
| 22:23.53 | maher | pusling: apt-proxy / debmirror / debpartial |
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| 22:24.02 | shamu | help |
| 22:24.03 | shamu | oops |
| 22:24.10 | ewr | hum |
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| 22:24.18 | ewr | wanted 2.6 anyways |
| 22:24.23 | ewr | i'll switch and see |
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| 22:24.28 | ewr | thanks guys |
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| 22:24.34 | ewr | bbl |
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| 22:24.52 | drac | Booting knoppix is like giving up, "reboot windoze style, after long download and burn of useless livecd" :/ |
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| 22:25.34 | `Ku | How does the install system work on this |
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| 22:25.59 | shamu | kadigibox: note that usb-ohci or usb-ehci isn't loaded (altohough, I don't see how it could have not been loaded) |
| 22:26.06 | shamu | do you have usb support compiled into the krenel? |
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| 22:26.13 | Gnea | `Ku: on what? |
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| 22:26.15 | polm | I am trying to copy my ext3 partition to a new disk. However I receive this errer when I try : This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout! Parted can't resize this (yet). |
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| 22:26.20 | pusling | maher: oh no - not in that way - more a place to put my own homebuilt packages to be distributed on a local network... |
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| 22:26.41 | kadigibox | shamu, yes they are |
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| 22:27.04 | Gnea | polm: you're trying to copy the partition raw data itself, or the data on the partition? |
| 22:27.06 | kadigibox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:27.29 | polm | Gnea: raw data. I need to replace this old drive with a new one, but I need to avoid re-installation, etc. |
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| 22:27.44 | Gnea | polm: can you mount it on a loop device? |
| 22:27.49 | shamu | yeah, but how about usb-ehci or usb-ohci |
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| 22:27.51 | drac | kadigibox: Sorry if someone else asked this before but is this 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 ? |
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| 22:28.09 | kadigibox | shamu, I have been able to run other USB devices like webcam before with no problems |
| 22:28.12 | maher | pusling: apt-move? |
| 22:28.15 | polm | Gnea: mount what on a loop device? |
| 22:28.18 | Gnea | drac: is 'this' what? |
| 22:28.24 | shamu | well, then it's not that problem |
| 22:28.24 | polm | Gnea: the new drive? |
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| 22:28.34 | shamu | well, I'm stumped |
| 22:28.37 | Gnea | palm: the raw data - is it an image or is the data still sitting on the old drive? |
| 22:28.39 | kadigibox | drac, 2.6.8-11 |
| 22:28.41 | drac | Gnea: His kernel version, was looking at http://channels.debian.net/paste/656 |
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| 22:29.10 | drac | Gnea: Allthough I jumped in.. just now :/ |
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| 22:29.20 | polm | Gnea: data still sitting on the old drive. |
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| 22:29.39 | Gnea | palm: how much room is is taking up? |
| 22:29.43 | polm | Gnea: Would a plain ol' dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/devhda2 work? |
| 22:29.49 | Gnea | drac: yeah so did i |
| 22:29.49 | maher | polm: if you just copy all the files to the new drive, chroot and run grub / lilo it should work... |
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| 22:30.14 | pusling | maher: maybe .. (The tool I need is whatever make the life of marillat or debian.neo.pl easy ;) |
| 22:30.20 | DimmuR | is it possible to put monitor in standby mode in console and get it back after x hours? |
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| 22:30.28 | polm | Maher: what's the best/fastest/efficient way to copy all of the data. |
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| 22:30.44 | polm | Maher: dd? |
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| 22:30.49 | shamu | polm: I'd recommend something that allows you to resume if you get interrupted during a copy |
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| 22:30.55 | shamu | along those lines, rsync is a contender |
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| 22:31.14 | drac | Gnea: Cause that paste says.. "scsi_mod", not "sd_mod" like (the useful module) is in 2.6 kernel.. |
| 22:31.14 | phrontist | I've set my window manager to blackbox, but I still seem to have a bunch of KDE processes running! (kswapd, keventd, khubd, etc.) |
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| 22:31.24 | Gnea | polm: i wouldn't recommend it - too much risk for data loss - figure out with a df how much it takes up, generate a virtual filesystem with dd if=/dev/zero of=some.img && losetup /dev/loop0 some.img && mkfs.ext3 /dev/loop0 && mkdir yada && mount -o loop /dev/loop0 yada/ |
| 22:31.31 | Gnea | then just copy the files over with cp -a |
| 22:31.35 | phrontist | I'm really taking a performance hit... how do I stop KDE or gnome from running |
| 22:31.35 | Gnea | much more efficient :) |
| 22:31.37 | antgel | phrontist: they are _kernel_ process |
| 22:31.38 | Gnea | brb |
| 22:31.43 | cockroach | i'm trying to do a debian netinstall. the client gets the correct bootp answer and then requests the boot image via tftp - it does, however, not seem to get any data (tcpdump/ethereal show that the server sends an "Option Acknowledgement" instead of a data packet). it works just fine if I try to get the file using the tftp client. What might be wrong there? |
| 22:31.59 | phrontist | ah okay, well I have the gnome "cursor" too |
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| 22:32.13 | polm | Gnea: unfortuntaly I don't have enough space to store the image. |
| 22:32.23 | polm | I'll try the rsync idea. |
| 22:32.27 | polm | thanks |
| 22:32.27 | polm | exit |
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| 22:33.02 | skiesfalling | is it possible to do a netinstall over ppp with an internal modem? |
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| 22:33.06 | phrontist | I mean, if I have the gnome cursor, aren't I running gnome |
| 22:33.09 | phrontist | ? |
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| 22:33.19 | shamu | roach: my guess is that dhcpd is responding with the option ack and the filename, but tftpd isn't able to serve the file out from its configured directory |
| 22:33.32 | streuner | skiesfalling: hardly, did you read ig? |
| 22:33.34 | phrontist | and if so, how is that possible? |
| 22:33.49 | skiesfalling | ig sorry? |
| 22:33.53 | streuner | !ig |
| 22:33.53 | dpkg | ig is, like, for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 22:34.01 | skiesfalling | ty |
| 22:34.23 | streuner | skiesfalling: laptop? |
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| 22:34.36 | skiesfalling | yeh |
| 22:34.51 | streuner | skiesfalling: check out /msg dpkg laptops |
| 22:34.51 | shamu | roach: or dhcpd isn't responding with the proper filename |
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| 22:35.21 | shamu | roach: control-alt-f1 or f2 should show you the actual command log during the netinst process -- any errors there? |
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| 22:35.32 | cockroach | shamu: yes it is - i tried to get the file manually and that works |
| 22:35.41 | skiesfalling | thanks |
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| 22:36.09 | shamu | roach: tftpd and dhcpd running on the same system? |
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| 22:36.28 | cockroach | shamu: yes. and the tftp server gets the request (according to the logs) |
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| 22:36.44 | kadigibox | anyone have any ideas about how I can work with the olimpus voice recorder? |
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| 22:37.42 | shamu | kadigibox: http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/svlug/2005-March/049382.html |
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| 22:38.11 | shamu | roach: anything in the control-alt-f1 or control-alt-f2? Does the install just time out waiting for the response? |
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| 22:38.55 | shamu | oh wait, this is while you're trying to tftp down the installation image itself, right? |
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| 22:40.14 | kadigibox | shamu, that site helps me how? there is no information there |
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| 22:40.45 | shamu | kadigibox: is that your model of recorder? |
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| 22:41.04 | kadigibox | no |
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| 22:41.10 | shamu | oh never mind then :| |
| 22:41.12 | kadigibox | its a VN-480PC |
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| 22:41.43 | kaouete | yo |
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| 22:42.34 | dabruce | Hi all |
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| 22:42.37 | kaouete | someone know what happened to the php5-xml package in sid ? |
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| 22:42.59 | streuner | kaouete: nothing in BTS? |
| 22:42.59 | cockroach | shamu: no, the notebook's pxe boot thing times out waiting for the tftp server's response |
| 22:43.21 | kaouete | streuner: hm, will look there :] |
| 22:43.23 | britt | hey again, I was wondering how to run a application (k3b) as root by just launching one icon |
| 22:43.25 | jml | is it easy to set up wifi with debian? is there anyway to easily install drivers without ndiswrapper or recompiling the kernel? |
| 22:43.32 | britt | a scrpit if you will.... |
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| 22:43.43 | shamu | cockroach: hmm ... I ended up screwing with this by building a .com etherboot image, and running it from safe-mode in dos |
| 22:43.51 | shamu | safemode-commandline |
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| 22:43.58 | shamu | that was willing to handle tftp |
| 22:44.16 | cockroach | shamu: hmm, sounds hackish :) |
| 22:44.32 | shamu | well, yeah, but I only had to do it once, and then the system was installed |
| 22:44.44 | cochilion | when i do apt-get upgrade with debina sid some packages are kept back, how do i upgrade'em? |
| 22:44.57 | Roadrunne | hi all, can I use exim as a mx but send mail received for a@host.com to new mx1 and for b@host.com to new mx2? |
| 22:45.01 | abrotman | !tell cochilion about held back |
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| 22:45.37 | ecobit | what is UTC right now? |
| 22:45.40 | shamu | cockroach: it was -- it was a major pain |
| 22:45.41 | streuner | kaouete: so whats your real question? |
| 22:45.59 | JeffH_ | a friend of mine was talking about some Linux setup that is the hub of security/entertainment/automation in a house.. anyone know what he might have been talking about? |
| 22:46.13 | kaouete | streuner: where is php5-xml ? :] it was there in the first php5 releas in sid and it desapeared |
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| 22:46.39 | kaouete | streuner: and php-pear installs a pear bin who cry because xml.so ,s missing |
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| 22:47.12 | streuner | kaouete: http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/php5-xmlrpc_5.0.4-3_i386.deb |
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| 22:47.32 | kaouete | streuner: xml not xmlrpc :/ |
| 22:47.45 | kaouete | i will commit a bugreport i guess |
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| 22:48.36 | streuner | kaouete: read first its changelog, maybe there is an entry |
| 22:48.40 | ecobit | dammit why isn't hwclock offsetting for UTC? |
| 22:48.42 | shamu | cockroach: nope, my bad -- I booted into dos, ftp'd 'loadlin' and the netboot kernel and initrd over, and ran loadlin to get into the installer |
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| 22:49.09 | ar3dam | hi there ... is compatible Groupwise on debian ??? ... |
| 22:49.17 | beardy | ecobit: Read the manual. |
| 22:49.28 | ecobit | beardy: yeah |
| 22:49.29 | abrotman | ecobit: /etc/default/rcS .. maybe? |
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| 22:50.06 | kaouete | streuner: i have already looked there in fact, i will just commit a bugreport, thanks for your help |
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| 22:50.09 | cockroach | shamu: i think the new notebook i'm preparing this for is able to boot from usb harddrive - might be the easier solution :) |
| 22:50.10 | adsense | omg |
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| 22:50.27 | adsense | sorry! |
| 22:50.33 | adsense | it might spam |
| 22:50.33 | adsense | /dev/hda1 * 1 535 4297356 b W95 FAT32 |
| 22:50.34 | adsense | /dev/hda2 536 4933 35326935 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
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| 22:50.34 | adsense | /dev/hda6 1811 3085 10241406 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
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| 22:50.42 | ecobit | abrotman: that and /etc/adjtime are both set to UTC, but when i hwclock --date-set=<UTC>; hwclock --hctosys sys time is not offset |
| 22:50.48 | shamu | cockroach: it's a new notebook? well, then definitely go the usb route |
| 22:50.54 | adsense | anyone know ho mount that partition ? |
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| 22:51.08 | beardy | !tell adsense about paster |
| 22:51.10 | Roadrunne | hi all, can I use exim as a mx but send mail received for a@host.com to new mx1 and for b@host.com to new mx2? |
| 22:51.11 | McScruff | lo |
| 22:51.11 | abrotman | adsense: don't paste |
| 22:51.17 | adsense | sorry abrotman |
| 22:51.19 | abrotman | ecobit: UTC=no in that file ? |
| 22:51.26 | ecobit | abrotman: =yes |
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| 22:51.33 | McScruff | i feel like such a retard, what repo can i use for stable apt-gets |
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| 22:51.44 | shamu | cockroach: I was dealing with 8-year old systems about a month ago, which is where I'm getting *my* information from :-) |
| 22:51.45 | cockroach | shamu: well, i liked the idea of netbooting - apparently i was being too optimistic :) |
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| 22:51.49 | ecobit | abrotman: it was all fine and good, then i dual booted, now the UTC offset seems broken |
| 22:51.53 | beardy | McScruff: apt-setup ? |
| 22:51.53 | cockroach | shamu: heh, okay. |
| 22:52.01 | McScruff | ooooo brb |
| 22:52.02 | abrotman | ecobit: blame windows :) |
| 22:52.13 | james | Hi, I'm a debian user, but I'm now needing to access a slackware server for web hosting. Can anyone recommend a good guide to the differences between slackware and debian (or even gentoo) to help me get up to speed. |
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| 22:52.17 | abrotman | ecobit: if you just run hwclock .. what does it return ? |
| 22:52.33 | abrotman | james: probably better to ask #slackware for thier newbie guide |
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| 22:52.43 | shamu | cockroach: nope, it should definitely have worked -- it's just really not polished yet to set up trivially. I bet if you booted clusterknoppix on another system on the local lan, then pxe-booted , you would have come up jsutfine |
| 22:52.52 | james | already have, just asking in here just in case |
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| 22:53.00 | ecobit | abrotman: whatever i set it to. right now i'm doing hwclock --date-set=<UTC> so its on UTC. but i can't get sys time to offset from it |
| 22:53.02 | abrotman | james: some still will be the same |
| 22:53.05 | cockroach | shamu: probably... |
| 22:53.16 | beardy | james: As a user you should be able to figure things out, if there is anything that differs, probably more in the way to setup things and do administrative things. |
| 22:53.33 | Ruglia | What's the difference betwen r1, r3, r0, r0a, r4, r5, etc? |
| 22:53.34 | ecobit | abrotman: hwclock --hctosys should set the sys date with the UTC offset but it doesn't |
| 22:53.38 | james | I'm more after the admin side of things |
| 22:54.01 | beardy | james: Then #slackware, as suggested. |
| 22:54.04 | abrotman | ecobit: what does it set it to? |
| 22:54.15 | james | I'll wait to see if I get a reply |
| 22:54.16 | ecobit | abrotman: conversely, i can set the sys clock and then hwclock --systohc but same result, no offset |
| 22:54.17 | shamu | cockroach: inneresting -- 'tftpd-hpa' needs to be there, since other tftpd daemons didn't work, per http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=818 |
| 22:54.27 | ecobit | abrotman: they are always the same |
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| 22:54.37 | abrotman | ecobit: now i'm confused ... isn't that what you want ? |
| 22:54.37 | adsense | urghh |
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| 22:54.46 | cockroach | shamu: that's what i'm using |
| 22:54.48 | beardy | james: and google of course. |
| 22:55.03 | abrotman | !tell adsense about vfatrw |
| 22:55.14 | adsense | thans abrotman |
| 22:55.16 | adsense | thanks! |
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| 22:55.25 | ecobit | abrotman: no, hwclock should be 8 hours ahead of sys clock. hwclock should read adjtime file and see that it is UTC, then check the tzconfig and see i am PDT and offset by 8 |
| 22:55.29 | kaouete | streuner: boh, in fact it was a misconfiguration in php.ini :> |
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| 22:55.50 | britt | hey how do i run a remote gnome session via ssh |
| 22:55.57 | abrotman | !tell britt about sshx |
| 22:55.59 | streuner | kaouete: :-) |
| 22:56.25 | abrotman | ecobit: if you run just `hwclock` .. is it correct or set to the local time? |
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| 22:56.47 | nono31 | hi |
| 22:56.50 | britt | abrotman: i know that already |
| 22:57.00 | abrotman | britt: doesn't answer your question ? |
| 22:57.03 | britt | I want to run a full-out gnome window session |
| 22:57.13 | abrotman | britt: you want a remote GDM etc? |
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| 22:57.20 | ecobit | abrotman: it now says 10:55:06 PM PDT which is weird. i don't know why its saying "PDT" |
| 22:57.25 | britt | yeah |
| 22:57.29 | abrotman | ecobit: did you run windows? |
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| 22:57.40 | ecobit | abrotman: earlier, yes |
| 22:57.45 | britt | ecobit: pacific daylight time |
| 22:57.53 | adsense | i have a bit problem |
| 22:57.56 | britt | tzconfig |
| 22:57.59 | adsense | if i want use manual |
| 22:58.00 | nono31 | I bought an AMD64 cpu... i've read some things about debian and amd64, but it is all confusing... it sometimes talk about pure64, sometimes about amd64 distribution... someone can help me on what I need to download? |
| 22:58.01 | abrotman | ecobit: iirc .. windows doesn't give a shit what time your hwclock says it is .. it just sets it |
| 22:58.02 | ecobit | abrotman: is there some register in the hwclock that keeps track of the timezone or something? |
| 22:58.17 | adsense | mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt/windowsA |
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| 22:58.21 | nvz | its just gnome-session, gnome isnt a window manager though it contains one |
| 22:58.29 | beardy | hwclock always reports the time as local time, doesn't it? It's easy to be confused by hwclock, and to confuse it.. |
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| 22:58.39 | abrotman | ecobit: probably .. kind of need it .. remember . not everywhere has DST etc |
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| 22:58.44 | nvz | used to be completly independant of a window manager until they started using megashitty instead of sawfish |
| 22:58.45 | ecobit | abrotman: yeah i know. actually theres a way to tell windows to leave the clock alone. but now i just want to get it back. |
| 22:58.51 | adsense | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2, |
| 22:58.51 | shamu | is there a way to autosense partitions and mount them, a la knoppix? |
| 22:59.03 | adsense | what this happen ? |
| 22:59.03 | shamu | say I plug in an external usb drive -- it'll do everything for me except mount them |
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| 22:59.06 | abrotman | ecobit: reboot .. enter bios .. set time .. go into linux .. is it correct ? |
| 22:59.06 | beardy | ecobit: No, you have to keep track of if it's set in UTC ornot, IIRC |
| 22:59.12 | britt | abrotman: have any idea? |
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| 22:59.17 | green_earz | nono31: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 22:59.18 | ecobit | abrotman: yeah i just realized that's what i have to do |
| 22:59.19 | abrotman | adsense: hda2 isn't a real mountable partition |
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| 22:59.31 | adsense | so any solution ? |
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| 22:59.47 | adsense | thats mean i cannot mount that partition ? |
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| 23:00.08 | abrotman | !remote- |
| 23:00.09 | abrotman | !remote-x |
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| 23:00.18 | ecobit | abrotman: its weird to see a clock you cannot set though. really weird. it refuses to use UTC even though adjtime and default/rcS both say to use it |
| 23:00.25 | abrotman | !x-remote |
| 23:00.25 | dpkg | methinks x-remote is http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-X-remote.html |
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| 23:00.40 | abrotman | nice ... |
| 23:00.43 | beardy | ecobit: If you're dual-booting between windows and linux, keep your clock in local time. |
| 23:00.48 | nono31 | green_earz: is that for stable or testing branch? is this good too: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
| 23:00.56 | abrotman | britt: i used ot know .. uhm .. you have to set the one box to have GDM listen of tcp |
| 23:00.58 | shamu | ecobit: what beardy said |
| 23:01.03 | streuner | kaouete: you're are welcome. |
| 23:01.08 | ecobit | beardy: i would rather keep it to UTC and to hell with the few times i might be in windows |
| 23:01.21 | abrotman | ecobit: but win32 will fuck your clock every time you boot it |
| 23:01.25 | britt | abrotman: i think it would be cool, i have OS X on another machine.... |
| 23:01.35 | shamu | ecobit: windows is a bad citizen as far as this goes. Me personally, I tell debian my local timezone is such and such, run ntp, and tweak my time so it produces a minimum ntp offset |
| 23:01.40 | ecobit | abrotman: i think there's a time service thing that can be disabled |
| 23:01.41 | abrotman | britt: oh .. then i most certainly have no idea how to use OSX as an X client |
| 23:01.43 | beardy | ecobit: It will get messed up evertime you boot windows, doesn't matter how seldom.. |
| 23:01.51 | green_earz | nono31: i think ? it will be for stable |
| 23:01.54 | britt | abrotman: I already have that taken care of |
| 23:01.58 | gothtec | Is there a somewhat secure way of remote controlling a linux machine from windows in the way pcanywhere, vnc for windows and such programs do it on windows? I mean actually transferring what the local user sees on his machine to the remote machine and allowing the client to interact with that? I know about ssh and all. I need something that will transfer graphics in this case... |
| 23:02.01 | abrotman | whoa .. superdome getting torn down they think |
| 23:02.04 | abrotman | whoops .. |
| 23:02.05 | abrotman | sorryt |
| 23:02.17 | britt | abrotman: i'm playing xmms music right now and using firefox |
| 23:02.23 | abrotman | britt: then set GDM to listen on the external interface |
| 23:02.28 | beardy | !sshx |
| 23:02.28 | dpkg | [sshx] Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 23:02.30 | abrotman | and X |
| 23:02.32 | ecobit | okay, thanks for the advice. i guess i will succumb to windows timekeeping stupidity |
| 23:02.34 | beardy | gothtec: ^^ |
| 23:02.40 | abrotman | ecobit: sorry |
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| 23:03.01 | abrotman | ecobit: but i mean . if you're doing the offset in linux anyways .. you'll never see the difference .. so what does it really matter ? |
| 23:03.02 | ecobit | abrotman: :-/ |
| 23:03.07 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.10 | shamu | ecobit: no succumbing, just work around it. Trust ntp. |
| 23:03.17 | nono31 | green_earz: after install, i heard there is some stuff that does not work yet (openoffice?) ? how do I resolve this? |
| 23:03.20 | beardy | gothtec: But oh.. perhaps not from windows, doable, but not that easy. Use vnc. |
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| 23:03.29 | abrotman | mmm .. ntp is nearly as good as bad beer |
| 23:03.35 | shamu | gothtec: also see 'vnc4server' package, and configuring the 'vnc' module in the xfree86config-4 conf |
| 23:03.38 | rummy | Ive found that when using apt-get remove stuff, that not all of the stuff is removed, games files particularly get left. Why is this (is it a known issue), and how can it be resolved? |
| 23:03.54 | abrotman | rummy: man dpkg .. look for -P |
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| 23:04.19 | beardy | rummy: That is how remove works. Use purge. |
| 23:04.19 | ecobit | shamu: rdate -s ntp1.theremailer.net; hwclock --systohc seems to work well |
| 23:04.23 | shamu | rummy: apt-get install the package again, and then apt-get remove --rpgue the package |
| 23:04.24 | shamu | purge |
| 23:04.29 | shamu | but read the manpage first |
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| 23:04.38 | gothtec | beardy: When I've used VNC before, I've always gotten kind of my own X-session, instead of being able to take control of what's actually on the local monitor... |
| 23:04.53 | nvz | gothtec: rfb |
| 23:04.57 | rummy | rpgue is it, cheers |
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| 23:05.35 | shamu | ecobit: there's also a way to tell debian permanently that the hardware clock contains a windows time |
| 23:05.40 | green_earz | nono31: " Debian Mailing Lists -- Index for debian-amd64 " > http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/ |
| 23:05.41 | shamu | then you don't worry about it at all |
| 23:05.45 | abrotman | rummy: don't do that |
| 23:05.50 | beardy | gothtec: There is one vnc package that does that, let's you use the running xserver, and there is another one, which starts its own. 'apt-cache search vnc' and youäll probably find it. |
| 23:05.50 | abrotman | shamu: that's HORRIBLE advice |
| 23:06.10 | shamu | soryr, which part? |
| 23:06.16 | nvz | gothtec: the vncserver package is basically an xserver, with the remote frame buffer protocol. you can run it on a system that doesnt even have X installed. rfb is just the remote framebuffer and exports an already running X display |
| 23:06.19 | abrotman | shamu: man dpkg .. look for -P or the Purge section .. there is absolutely no need to reinstall a package to purge it |
| 23:06.22 | abrotman | shamu: man dpkg |
| 23:06.34 | shamu | FINALLY |
| 23:06.34 | jazzanova | so i have dd'ed and image of a smaller partition into a larger partition, and now when i mount, free space is not estimated correctly (should be more). whath should i do ? |
| 23:06.41 | abrotman | finally what? |
| 23:06.56 | rummy | so just do dpkg -P stuff instead? |
| 23:06.57 | mfrisch | we caught you? |
| 23:06.57 | shamu | FINALLY I know how to remove it without reinstalling it. Thanks. |
| 23:07.02 | abrotman | rummy: yes |
| 23:07.05 | rummy | k |
| 23:07.06 | abrotman | shamu: you could have .. asked :) |
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| 23:07.11 | sgore | jazzanova: resize the fs |
| 23:07.12 | jazzanova | how do i expand a partition ? |
| 23:07.12 | jnc | jazzanova: if ext2, then ext2resize |
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| 23:07.17 | gothtec | beardy, nvz: ah.. I'll try and figure this out, then. thanks |
| 23:07.23 | jnc | jazzanova: try 'parted' command |
| 23:07.23 | jazzanova | i have ext3, can i use ex2resize ? |
| 23:07.32 | shamu | abrotman: sorry, I started at the apt level and tried to stay consistent by using it all the time. |
| 23:07.43 | nvz | gothtec: theres nothing to figure out I told you already. and you dont want vnc, you want rfb |
| 23:07.45 | abrotman | shamu: apt-get and dpkg work well together |
| 23:07.45 | beardy | gothtec: Try what nvz said first. Probably what you want. |
| 23:07.46 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 23:07.47 | dpkg | it has been said that refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
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| 23:08.05 | shamu | because that way I'd never get myself into a situation where I'd be stuck between 2 dependencies |
| 23:08.13 | sgore | shamu: apt is a frontend to dpkg. if you're using apt, you're using dpkg. just one level removed. |
| 23:08.19 | rummy | i guess apt needs a little more work, although its so easy to use, so nice for nebs |
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| 23:08.28 | jnc | nebs! |
| 23:08.34 | jnc | !tell rummy about nebs |
| 23:08.44 | rummy | meant newbs |
| 23:08.59 | beardy | !newbie |
| 23:09.00 | dpkg | from memory, newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 23:09.02 | phrontist | !tell me about newbs |
| 23:09.06 | abrotman | rummy: no .. it leaves those files there on purpose |
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| 23:09.25 | shamu | yeah, except apt can look up all the dependencies for me, like a computer should, rather than get me stuck. One less rule to memorize -- 'apt will never (or exceedingly rarely) get you into a situation with stuck dependencies' |
| 23:09.29 | nvz | phrontist: don't use !tell like that, use /msg dpkg instead |
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| 23:09.38 | abrotman | rummy: it would suck if you spent hours configuring something .. then accidentally(i don't know how) removed the package .. you'd lose your config .. this way .. it removes the package .. but leaves config files |
| 23:09.40 | rummy | i see but you still dont like the apt-get remove -prgue? |
| 23:09.42 | Fanskapet | anyone know how to make kaid run as a rc.d at boot? |
| 23:09.51 | JeffH_ | a friend of mine was talking about some Linux setup that is the hub of security/entertainment/automation in a house.. anyone know what he might have been talking about? |
| 23:10.03 | Charbal | I think I might have messed things up royally :P |
| 23:10.06 | phogg | When attempting to mount an unmounted partition I get "mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdc1 is already mounted on /mnt/test". Nothing else is mounted on /mnt/test. What should I check? |
| 23:10.06 | abrotman | rummy: oh no .. if oyu know you won't need the config files .. go ahead and apt-get --purge remove <pkg> |
| 23:10.15 | rummy | oh ok, cheers |
| 23:10.20 | abrotman | JeffH_: demudi ? ... maybe? |
| 23:10.31 | abrotman | !demudi |
| 23:10.31 | dpkg | [demudi] Debian Multimedia Distribution, a distro optimized for audio and multimedia work, based on Debian. DeMuDi is available at http://www.agnula.org/ |
| 23:10.42 | beardy | Does dpkg (the bot) ignore /msg's completely now, or only me? |
| 23:10.45 | Charbal | Upgrading an etch install, tried to hit no on the prompt to go ahead with the libc upgrade since I didn't want to stop X yet. |
| 23:10.46 | abrotman | JeffH_: be aware .. we don't support demudi here |
| 23:10.53 | sgore | JeffH: or X10 |
| 23:10.55 | JeffH_ | abrotman: nop.. not it.. but thanks. |
| 23:11.02 | Charbal | For some reason, it continued on and so I hit it with control-C |
| 23:11.03 | nvz | beardy: it doesnt respond anymore if it doesnt know |
| 23:11.03 | abrotman | beardy: try a dpkg: hi |
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| 23:11.25 | JeffH_ | some software that you can run on a server and access via cell phone, pda, remote control. |
| 23:11.27 | nvz | beardy: you have to request a valid factoid |
| 23:11.29 | beardy | dpkg: hi |
| 23:11.30 | dpkg | hello, beardy |
| 23:11.33 | JeffH_ | web pad, etc. |
| 23:11.38 | beardy | nvz: hmm, I do.. |
| 23:11.40 | Charbal | Now I get errors like ls: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
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| 23:11.54 | shamu | charbol: upgrading from etch to sid? |
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| 23:12.06 | Charbal | No, it should be pure etch |
| 23:12.20 | nvz | beardy: /msg dpkg hello |
| 23:12.22 | rummy | so, how many knoppix ppl here, is it a popular dist? |
| 23:12.26 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 23:12.26 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandrake is redhat. |
| 23:12.34 | emRick | is there a Debian package to detect objects in an image and somehow parse the image? |
| 23:12.34 | mfrisch | not here... |
| 23:12.35 | rummy | interesting |
| 23:12.37 | britt | abrotman: turns out that Enlightenment works for what i want to do...takes FOREVER to load |
| 23:12.40 | shamu | I thought mandrake was redhat :-) |
| 23:12.53 | abrotman | britt: i can imagine :) |
| 23:12.53 | Charbal | dpkg -i gives the same error when I try to manually complete the installation |
| 23:12.54 | beardy | nvz: Gives me nothing |
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| 23:13.04 | nvz | britt: you want a wm that takes forever to load? |
| 23:13.12 | abrotman | !knoppix =~ s/mandrake/mandriva/ |
| 23:13.12 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 23:13.31 | nvz | I swear Mandriva is such a stupid name |
| 23:13.43 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. like ubuntu :) |
| 23:13.44 | jay_ | I'm trying to install dcom98.exe with wine, but it keeps telling me that it can only be installed in windows98 I double checked my config file and the windows version is listed as windows98. what am I missing? |
| 23:13.52 | britt | nvz: no, i want something that looks okay and i can use to launch multiple apps with instead of having one terminal for each thing i want to do |
| 23:13.56 | mfrisch | this guy at work uses some bull I never heard of. |
| 23:13.59 | abrotman | jay_: #winehq |
| 23:14.02 | Charbal | So, what's the best way to finish the aborted libc installation? :P |
| 23:14.05 | nvz | abrotman: its worse when people change names from something dumb to something even dumber |
| 23:14.17 | Kerr | dpkg -i windows xp pro |
| 23:14.19 | jay_ | I've asked there too |
| 23:14.21 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. like enveezee |
| 23:14.22 | Kerr | lol |
| 23:14.30 | nvz | abrotman: or just from anything to something dumb |
| 23:14.30 | shamu | charbal: what's the exact complaint of dpkg? |
| 23:14.36 | abrotman | jay_: they should certainly know more than we do |
| 23:14.52 | abrotman | jay_: i do remember seeing stuff on google about htat |
| 23:15.04 | jay_ | ok, thanks |
| 23:15.15 | nvz | abrotman: the worst of all time I think is Sean "Puffy" Combs -> P. Diddy.. and that song he wrote about it where he cant even figure out how to spell Diddy |
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| 23:15.32 | nvz | omg, he didn't P Diddy? |
| 23:15.40 | britt | i can't remember how to install a lighter skin for E....I remember running fluxbox and metacity |
| 23:15.47 | rummy | Are there any live cd debian plans? |
| 23:15.48 | abrotman | nvz: uhm .. Prince? |
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| 23:15.56 | shamu | charbal: if I were in that situation (and I've been wrong before, as early as about 200 seconds ago), I'd boot off another drive/system (say, knoppix), look up a target-drive option for apt or dpkg, and debug the instlal from there |
| 23:15.58 | Charbal | shamu: It's not in dpkg itself, but something it calls: tar: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 23:15.59 | abrotman | rummy: supposedly ... non currently available |
| 23:16.07 | rummy | cool |
| 23:16.08 | nvz | abrotman: I never followed prince, but I heard he changed back and forth a few times |
| 23:16.14 | abrotman | nvz: he did |
| 23:16.19 | resiak | nvz: He changed his name to a squiggle. |
| 23:16.27 | nvz | oh god |
| 23:16.33 | abrotman | nvz: how did you miss that? |
| 23:16.43 | nvz | I don't know |
| 23:16.57 | rummy | abrotman: i take it that ubuntu and gentoo aren't really debian either, much like knoppix? |
| 23:17.00 | ecobit | don't most names of companies/prodocts have no bearing whatsoever on the product? at least mandriva doesn't do that |
| 23:17.05 | nvz | how did I go through 22 years of life without seeing even one episode of star wars.. |
| 23:17.09 | abrotman | rummy: gentoo isn't even closely related |
| 23:17.10 | phogg | what could be causing mount to report a device already mounted or the mountpoint busy? |
| 23:17.12 | gravity | gentoo is even less debian than the others |
| 23:17.13 | rummy | modified debian i suppose |
| 23:17.21 | abrotman | phogg: fuser |
| 23:17.26 | mfrisch | nvz it old school |
| 23:17.31 | Charbal | shamu: Figured I'd probably have to do that. Was hoping for a quick fix :P |
| 23:17.49 | resiak | rummy: Gentoo is not even vaguely Debian-based. The other two are derived, but not really Debian. |
| 23:17.55 | britt | abrotman: do you know how to install a different skin for Enlightenment, like metacity |
| 23:18.08 | phogg | abrotman: on what? The device *isn't* mounted |
| 23:18.09 | bucky | rummy look into http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/99-Enlightenment-17-Review.html |
| 23:18.11 | shamu | gentoo isn't debian-based at all. ubuntu is dpkg-based, knoppix is a live cd generated from a debian system + other software. |
| 23:18.21 | mfrisch | resiak does Gentoo have a package manager? |
| 23:18.31 | nvz | I mean in my lifetime there has been what, 6 star wars movies now? everyone considers them to be so pop-culture, so influential, so must-see and closest I've came to watching star wars is the Space Balls movie |
| 23:18.34 | abrotman | phogg: the partition |
| 23:18.41 | abrotman | britt: uhm .. no . you need Gnea |
| 23:18.47 | phogg | abrotman: tried that. It returns nothing. |
| 23:18.48 | Charbal | I'd assume that Ubuntu is closer to Debian than Knoppix... packages drift back and forth if changelogs are to be beleived :P |
| 23:18.54 | gravity | True |
| 23:18.55 | Charbal | believed |
| 23:18.57 | abrotman | nvz: http://www.billgrahamcivic.com/press/photos/fanlinks/4-10%20Prince.jpg |
| 23:19.01 | abrotman | nvz: that was the symbol |
| 23:19.02 | shamu | nvz: watch the 'action figure' scene in spanish on the dvd. It's pretty funny |
| 23:19.05 | resiak | mfrisch: How should I know? I don't use Gentoo. |
| 23:19.14 | britt | abrotman: how do i ask the bot what Gnea is |
| 23:19.24 | abrotman | britt: he's a guy here |
| 23:19.28 | abrotman | !gnea |
| 23:19.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnea is a gnea!, or someone who likes to give obvious answers |
| 23:19.30 | mfrisch | resiak donot care just was curious. |
| 23:19.38 | britt | abrotman: lol |
| 23:19.44 | resiak | mfrisch: gentoo.org might have more answers ? |
| 23:19.56 | shamu | visit the ubuntu site -- lots of details there |
| 23:20.01 | mfrisch | resiak donot care that much... |
| 23:20.32 | abrotman | phogg: it says the mount point is busy? |
| 23:20.47 | phogg | abrotman: Yes. mount: /dev/hda2 already mounted or /mnt/test busy |
| 23:20.53 | resiak | lsof ~! |
| 23:20.57 | abrotman | phogg: did you try to umount it ? |
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| 23:21.07 | phogg | abrotman: umount fails because it is not mounted |
| 23:21.13 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:21.25 | phogg | abrotman: this is with a fresh boot and only root mounted |
| 23:21.39 | nvz | shamu: it was plenty funny in english. |
| 23:21.43 | abrotman | phogg: then as resiak said .. try slof |
| 23:21.44 | abrotman | lsof |
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| 23:21.46 | mcscruff | whats the easiest way to update kde? |
| 23:21.47 | abrotman | stupid fingers |
| 23:21.54 | abrotman | apt-get install gnome |
| 23:22.00 | nvz | shamu: and I know spanish so its not going to be funny just because I dont understand it |
| 23:22.04 | phogg | abrotman: in fact, neither of the non-root local partitions will mount anywhere. Same error. |
| 23:22.04 | britt|away | LOL |
| 23:22.06 | rummy | quick opinion on which is the better of knoppix/gentoo/ubuntu? ie. most compatible with new hardware, graphics cards, scsi etc. |
| 23:22.07 | resiak | mcscruff: Define "update" |
| 23:22.13 | phogg | abrotman: lsof sees nothing interesting |
| 23:22.25 | mcscruff | from kde 3.3.2 to kde 3.4.2 |
| 23:22.27 | gravity | rummy: That is totally offtopic here |
| 23:22.28 | mfrisch | rummy DEBIAN |
| 23:22.34 | gravity | rummy: Take such questions elsewhere please |
| 23:22.39 | resiak | rummy: Why not try all three and see what they think of your hardware ? |
| 23:22.40 | shamu | nvz: actually, the characterization in the action figure scene I found funny in both languages |
| 23:22.40 | rummy | ok just asking |
| 23:22.41 | abrotman | try #linux |
| 23:22.54 | abrotman | phogg: well .. that's no fun |
| 23:22.57 | britt|away | rummy: debian |
| 23:23.00 | abrotman | phogg: cat /etc/mtab |
| 23:23.09 | resiak | mcscruff: The easiest way is to wait till 3.4 hits testing. Unless you're running Sarge, in which case you basically don't. |
| 23:23.12 | rummy | cus linuxery things arent my passion - its too frustrating |
| 23:23.16 | phogg | abrotman: it does not list the unmounted partitions |
| 23:23.23 | abrotman | and the directory? |
| 23:23.25 | nvz | one of those fucking extensions I installed fucked the right click in the page to paste a url.. now I have to specifically highlight the existing url and delete it then highlight the new url and paste it in the address bar |
| 23:23.27 | abrotman | /mnt/test? |
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| 23:23.52 | phogg | abrotman: it lists only /, proc, sysfs, devpts, tmpfs, usbfs and some remote mounts |
| 23:24.09 | nvz | abrotman: looks like the female symbol in disguise to me |
| 23:24.18 | abrotman | nvz: with prince .. hard to tell |
| 23:24.31 | abrotman | phogg: you've attempted restarting and have the same results ? |
| 23:24.32 | mfrisch | my hda is flailling i/o errors after the night and the mbr is gone. Is this possible because of my kernel? I reistall the mbr and all is well. |
| 23:24.37 | phogg | abrotman: yes |
| 23:24.45 | abrotman | phogg: anything in dmesg ? |
| 23:24.50 | nvz | abrotman: so there's a squiggle around it and a point on the bottom.. I still thing female when I see it |
| 23:24.58 | shamu | nvz: I think he was pissed at his record company because they had the copyright on 'prince' and he couldn't call himself that anymore. So he changed his name :-) |
| 23:25.21 | abrotman | shamu: no .. he was contractually obligated as prince to produce another album or some crap |
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| 23:25.25 | phogg | abrotman: Nothing unusual that I can see |
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| 23:26.02 | abrotman | phogg: ok .. your computer just hates you |
| 23:26.15 | nvz | shamu: oh well he's a prince-ss in my eyes after seeing that picture |
| 23:26.17 | abrotman | phogg: lsof or fuser should show something using either the partition or the mount point |
| 23:26.31 | nvz | shamu: he should have just changed his name to princess |
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| 23:26.42 | phogg | abrotman: yeah, that's what I think too. I'm going to try a bootable disc and see if the partitions are mounable or just fucked |
| 23:27.01 | shamu | actually, the cross part is female, the arrow is male |
| 23:27.13 | abrotman | phogg: what kind of filesystem are they? |
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| 23:27.22 | nvz | shamu: yeah well its pointing the wrong way |
| 23:27.51 | foca | alguien me puede decir como cerrar blender,me ha desaparecido la barra espaciadora |
| 23:27.58 | nvz | shamu: so he's all woman, he just happens to be man. |
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| 23:28.18 | asmodaiii | goodnight all! v(^o^)v |
| 23:28.20 | Guerin | !tell foca about es |
| 23:29.02 | shamu | phogg -- there's 'gpart' which can guess partition types |
| 23:29.14 | abrotman | shamu: fdisk -l |
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| 23:30.49 | sun_ | hi in nmh when i compose a message it says problem init server, and doesnt deliver. anyone having this problem? |
| 23:30.53 | shamu | abrotman, you're just schooling me today, aren't you |
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| 23:31.21 | Tomoe | how are you gentlemen |
| 23:31.38 | britt|away | does anybody know anything about enlightenment configuration? |
| 23:31.58 | abrotman | shamu: that's why i get paid so much |
| 23:32.03 | phogg | abrotman: they're reiserfs and ext3 |
| 23:32.06 | `Ku | LOL! |
| 23:32.07 | abrotman | britt: #e |
| 23:32.10 | `Ku | I got tickets to Chicgo |
| 23:32.13 | britt | k |
| 23:32.16 | `Ku | for 96.00 both ways |
| 23:32.21 | Cats | All your base are belong to us |
| 23:32.28 | Tomoe | too late |
| 23:32.38 | shamu | dang |
| 23:32.52 | `Ku | Kc to Chicgo to Kc for 96.00 freeking dollers lol |
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| 23:33.02 | shamu | tomoe: too late? What you say??? |
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| 23:33.24 | Tomoe | I say I got the signal too late |
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| 23:34.18 | dondelelcaro | ugh. need we replay bad net humor from years ago? |
| 23:34.47 | Tomoe | dondelelcaro, try =) |
| 23:35.20 | shamu | yes, we need to. For great justice. |
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| 23:36.16 | tchmnkyz | hey all, how do i enable APT::Force-LoopBreak so i can get this initial install done? |
| 23:37.00 | dondelelcaro | tchmnkyz: what exactly are you trying to install? |
| 23:37.08 | tchmnkyz | the initial install |
| 23:37.15 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you're just jealous your old brain can't remember it :) |
| 23:37.27 | tchmnkyz | it errors trying to install e2fsprogs |
| 23:37.51 | dondelelcaro | tchmnkyz: uh, the initial install won't error out that way unless you're trying to install etch or unstable directly. |
| 23:38.13 | tchmnkyz | no i am installing just stable 3.1 |
| 23:38.28 | tchmnkyz | i did nothing diff |
| 23:38.34 | tchmnkyz | jsut followed the installer |
| 23:38.44 | dondelelcaro | tchmnkyz: ok, then use the paster bot to paste the exact error that you are getting |
| 23:38.54 | tchmnkyz | i kinda cant |
| 23:38.55 | shamu | yeah, what's the error |
| 23:38.56 | abrotman | tchmnkyz: did you use a daily ? |
| 23:38.59 | tchmnkyz | it is my laptop |
| 23:39.00 | dondelelcaro | tchmnkyz: we'll also want the output of apt-cache policy; |
| 23:39.00 | shamu | oh right, he's in the installer |
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| 23:39.04 | gravity | tchmnkyz: Where did you get the advice to change APT:Force-LoopBreak? |
| 23:39.07 | abrotman | other people have been reporting that with sarge |
| 23:39.09 | tchmnkyz | abortman no |
| 23:39.09 | abrotman | err with etch |
| 23:39.13 | tchmnkyz | from apt-get |
| 23:39.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes, with etch... but you only get it if you haven't installed sarge first... |
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| 23:39.53 | abrotman | gravity: weasel told someone to do that earlier :) |
| 23:40.10 | orbitz | hello, I am running debian on a machine and i hav ea file which i have downloaded which is over 2 gigabytes, and unzip cannot decompress it because it can't open it, any suggestions? |
| 23:40.29 | gravity | Heh, I'm not blaming anyone. I just want to see the bug report or whatever. |
| 23:40.36 | dondelelcaro | !conflicts e2fsprogs |
| 23:40.38 | dpkg | e2fsprogs: dump (<< 0.4b4-4), quota (<< 1.55-8.1), initscripts (<< 2.85-4), sysvinit (<< 2.85-4) |
| 23:40.54 | tchmnkyz | can you just explain so i can just get the system installed |
| 23:40.59 | tchmnkyz | i dont wana reinstall |
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| 23:41.04 | tchmnkyz | just do this so apt can finish |
| 23:41.05 | gravity | There's some stuff in Japanese about it that I can find on google, but that's all |
| 23:41.11 | shamu | I found http://lists.debian.org/deity/2000/04/msg00027.html |
| 23:41.15 | weasel | .O( why don't stick people to sarge? ) |
| 23:41.21 | tchmnkyz | i am using sarge |
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| 23:41.31 | weasel | tchmnkyz: 'grep testing /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 23:41.33 | tchmnkyz | i downloaded the official netinstall image from the main page |
| 23:41.38 | abrotman | tchmnkyz: i doubt you're using sarge |
| 23:41.47 | weasel | abrotman: I think the installer sucks |
| 23:41.55 | resiak | tchmnkyz: What is the exact URL from which you downloaded the installer ? |
| 23:41.57 | weasel | abrotman: base-config puts sarge in sources.list some time |
| 23:41.59 | abrotman | weasel: let's go yell at some DDs ... |
| 23:42.01 | abrotman | oh wait .. |
| 23:42.01 | tchmnkyz | it is using sarge |
| 23:42.05 | weasel | abrotman: at least it did for me on amd643 |
| 23:42.09 | abrotman | we've got DDs here .. |
| 23:42.09 | tchmnkyz | nothing returned for testing |
| 23:42.21 | abrotman | Myon: i think it's YOUR fault |
| 23:42.22 | abrotman | :) |
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| 23:42.39 | dondelelcaro | tchmnkyz: or better, give us the output of apt-cache policy. |
| 23:42.51 | tchmnkyz | that is kinda hard |
| 23:42.53 | abrotman | weasel: i wouldn't be surprised .. the daily installers seem kind of a mess |
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| 23:42.56 | dondelelcaro | tchmnkyz: why? |
| 23:43.03 | tchmnkyz | i am on the machine that is giving me the problem |
| 23:43.06 | gravity | People should use the stable installer |
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| 23:43.14 | abrotman | Myon: s/anything/everything/ |
| 23:43.15 | dondelelcaro | tchmnkyz: and? |
| 23:43.22 | gravity | I don't know why they bother with the dailies right now unless they actually want to test them |
| 23:43.23 | weasel | abrotman: unfortunately I don't have an official sarge cd and a spare box to test |
| 23:43.26 | tchmnkyz | how do i copy and paste if i cant install gpm |
| 23:43.41 | abrotman | weasel: i did an r0a install the other day .. worked fine |
| 23:43.43 | Myon | tchmnkyz: screen |
| 23:43.46 | dondelelcaro | tchmnkyz: redirect it to a file, and stick the file up somewhere. |
| 23:43.52 | tchmnkyz | k |
| 23:43.54 | abrotman | Myon: sorry to wake you :) |
| 23:44.00 | weasel | abrotman: and you added sources during base-config? |
| 23:44.06 | Myon | np, was around anyway |
| 23:44.10 | abrotman | weasel: http sources .. yes |
| 23:44.12 | tchmnkyz | ok now i did nothing |
| 23:44.17 | tchmnkyz | and it is installing fine |
| 23:44.19 | abrotman | weasel: but NOT a daily .. |
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| 23:44.23 | tchmnkyz | wth |
| 23:44.33 | weasel | abrotman: frankly I never got why they don't use codenames |
| 23:44.46 | abrotman | weasel: they have a netinst for sarge .. |
| 23:45.01 | britt | what port does VNC use for the web interface? |
| 23:45.01 | abrotman | weasel: the dailies are just named netinst-24325265.iso :) |
| 23:45.03 | weasel | tchmnkyz: welcome to the wonderful world of unreleased development versions |
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| 23:45.58 | Myon | britt: 5900 + display number |
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| 23:46.28 | nvz | britt: your question would be better asked "how do I find out what port FOO uses" as nearly every program ever made to communicate via ports was made to be configured |
| 23:46.46 | kreg_lt | trying to read through the software raid howto. i have two hard drives, they are both raid formated, but i dunno how to make them a /dev/md0 and then mount it. any suggestions? |
| 23:46.57 | Myon | britt: netstat -tap |
| 23:46.59 | dondelelcaro | britt: and the answer to that question, is to use netstat -plunt or similar. |
| 23:46.59 | nvz | Myon: does the web interface go on the same port as the regular vnc client connects to? |
| 23:47.17 | Myon | ah, the webinterface |
| 23:47.22 | Myon | britt: 5800 then :) |
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| 23:48.14 | Myon | dondelelcaro: netstat is the program with the funniest -switches there is ;) |
| 23:48.26 | nvz | Myon: yeah you should read until you reach the EOL or EOF char, not until it matches something in your knowledge database |
| 23:48.36 | shamu | hey, I used to be able to type 'ps -flea' under IRIX |
| 23:48.51 | Myon | nvz: :-P |
| 23:48.56 | nvz | shamu: you still can, we wont stop you. |
| 23:49.08 | shamu | hey it works! |
| 23:49.08 | nvz | we dont give two shits about irix |
| 23:49.48 | shamu | are they small shits or big shits you don't give? |
| 23:50.20 | nvz | whats the difference. we dont give any shits |
| 23:50.31 | nvz | this is #debian not #irix :P |
| 23:50.57 | Guerin | nvz: but according to tchmnkyz' /quit: "[BX] Size DOES matter" |
| 23:51.02 | shamu | hey, you can type ps -flea under sarge |
| 23:51.05 | nvz | I can't say that I know anything more about Irix other than its name and it has supposedly existed as an OS |
| 23:51.22 | shamu | that's funnyier than netstat -plunt |
| 23:51.27 | nvz | Guerin: ... and we certainly dont care what BX has to say |
| 23:51.32 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: dunno, all I got was -!- Irssi: Stopped moron BitchX message from tchmnkyz [456] |
| 23:51.34 | Myon | which gives lots of strange numbers |
| 23:51.40 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: good point |
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| 23:52.03 | grendal_prime | ok Conflicts/Pre-depends loop with aptitude?? |
| 23:52.05 | dondelelcaro | the sad part is that I'm already up to 456 and this client has only been running for 20 days... |
| 23:52.08 | grendal_prime | wtf is that all about? |
| 23:52.22 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: you'll have to give some more details here |
| 23:52.23 | Overfiend | grendal_prime: I hope the Conflicts: is versioned. |
| 23:52.38 | grendal_prime | e2fsprogs |
| 23:52.54 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i have screen after screen after screen of -!- Irssi: Fast JOIN/QUIT freenode::#debian LieeaHQe [] |
| 23:52.54 | grendal_prime | could not early remove e2fsprogs |
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| 23:53.28 | grendal_prime | i dont understand what it is exactly |
| 23:53.47 | grendal_prime | how do you have aptitude...just forget all the selections you made? |
| 23:53.54 | dob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.56 | dob2 | ops |
| 23:54.21 | dob2 | :) |
| 23:54.27 | nvz | dondelelcaro: at least he reads the /topic |
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| 23:54.44 | dondelelcaro | nvz: definetly... a donation like that should be commendend |
| 23:55.00 | nvz | though his nick looks strangly similar to a certain #debian operator if you are dyslexic |
| 23:55.42 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: iirc, you shouldn't run into that loop unless you're trying to directly update to unstable from a really old version without going through sarge or similar. |
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| 23:55.55 | nvz | I was just dissapointed that /topic -clear didnt work like I thought it would |
| 23:56.08 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: regardless, you can work around it by allowing e2fsprogs to be removed, since its removal (even though it's esential) isn't a big dela. |
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| 23:56.29 | nvz | I guess I should have my client configured not to show /topic in the channel to begin with |
| 23:56.34 | shamu | grendel_prime -- is it |
| 23:56.34 | shamu | <Myon> which gives lots of strange numbers |
| 23:56.34 | shamu | <Guerin> dondelelcaro: good point |
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| 23:56.36 | grendal_prime | hmmm...well when reply with a yes..it still errors |
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| 23:57.17 | grendal_prime | that was strange |
| 23:57.19 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: what is the full output? [use the paster bot] the output of apt-cache policy; will also be useful. |
| 23:57.39 | grendal_prime | hold on ill run it from this machine so i can cut and past |
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| 23:57.50 | dondelelcaro | !conflics libc6 |
| 23:57.56 | dondelelcaro | !info e2fsprogs sarge |
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| 23:57.58 | dpkg | e2fsprogs: (ext2 file system utilities and libraries), section base, is required. Version: 1.37-2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB |
| 23:58.02 | dondelelcaro | !conflicts libc6 |
| 23:58.04 | shamu | sorry sorry sorry |
| 23:58.06 | dpkg | libc6: strace (<< 4.0-0), libnss-db (<= 2.2-6.1.1), timezone, timezones, gconv-modules, libtricks, libc6-doc, libc5 (<< 5.4.33-7), libpthread0 (<< 0.7-10), libc6-bin, libwcsmbs, apt (<< 0.3.0), libglib1.2 (<< 1.2.1-2), netkit-rpc, wine (<< 0.0.20031118-1), cyrus-imapd (<< 1.5.19-15), initrd-tools (<< 0.1.79), e2fsprogs (<< 1.35-7) |
| 23:58.20 | shamu | see debian bts bug 325834 |
| 23:58.27 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 325834 |
| 23:58.31 | dpkg | #325834:N[e2fsprogs] apt-get install e2fsprogs get a Conflicts Pre-Depends loop error; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:48:02 UTC |
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