| 00:00.04 | grendal_prime | well..its werid...it was a netinstall disk...thought it was testing..but...hmmm it was kinda old..i edited the sources list...changed everhthing to sarge..ill try and update then go to testing after that |
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| 00:00.09 | dondelelcaro | shamu: yeah, but that's a bogus bug; upgrades are never really supported for multiple versions like that. |
| 00:00.23 | mccbaka | now that's an error message i've never seen before. "bash: fork: resource temporarily unavailable." |
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| 00:00.25 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: yeah; that's almost definetly what happened. |
| 00:00.29 | mccbaka | What does that mean, is the process table full or something? |
| 00:00.36 | dondelelcaro | mccbaka: you probably hit the ulimit or similar |
| 00:00.41 | mccbaka | that happens on an ls |
| 00:01.00 | mccbaka | don: ulimit being a limit on number of processes? |
| 00:01.03 | nvz | I've seen some of the dumbest usages of php today... |
| 00:01.09 | mccbaka | don: how do i find out where all those pids are going? |
| 00:01.16 | mccbaka | doesn't seem to be listed in top |
| 00:01.18 | dondelelcaro | mccbaka: ulimit -f; yes; ps axfu will give you an idea of what is going on |
| 00:01.21 | grendal_prime | ok well just in case this does not work right..how do i tell aptitude to just forget everything...just clear the cache? |
| 00:01.37 | dondelelcaro | sorry, -u, not -f |
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| 00:01.43 | nvz | I think some people dont even know HTML anymore.. they just do everything in php |
| 00:02.00 | dondelelcaro | <? echo "<h1>foo</h1>" ?> |
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| 00:02.25 | secureboot | does debian support encrypted virtual memory like OS X? |
| 00:02.28 | nvz | I seen this site today that wrote a separate php script for each image on the site.. instead of writing one that accepts an argument |
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| 00:02.43 | grendal_prime | im a little confused about something as well...i thought the distros were broke down like...stable testing unstable, so what exactly is sarge? |
| 00:02.57 | dondelelcaro | secureboot: if you stick it through a cryptoloop, probably... but that would be insanely slow |
| 00:03.10 | gravity | grendal_prime: Sarge is currently stable. It was a codename for stable while it was in development, and people still use that codename to refer to it |
| 00:03.41 | dondelelcaro | secureboot: and it's not like it would gain you anything, since only certain pages of memory are guaranteed to be locked; any other process on the system can be allocated a normal page that some other process was using previously. |
| 00:03.41 | secureboot | dondelelcaro: know of any current efforts for linux to support this with a reasonable type of overhead? |
| 00:03.57 | grendal_prime | cool..well i didnt know that apt new what it ment...like there is an actual repository called sarg.. |
| 00:04.13 | cafuego | nvz: the argument (parameter) is a protential security hole, eh. |
| 00:04.16 | dondelelcaro | secureboot: uh, the overhead is pretty much fixed and dependent on the crypto; crypto is slow. |
| 00:04.41 | dondelelcaro | secureboot: in almost all cases, anything that actually should be secured should be locked in a page that can't be swapped out. |
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| 00:04.59 | cafuego | secureboot: if you don't want people to see it, don't put it on a computer. |
| 00:05.30 | secureboot | dondelelcaro: how does one keep a password from being exposed via a reallocated page then? |
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| 00:05.35 | gs | hi |
| 00:05.37 | secureboot | cafuego: ooooh, thanks. |
| 00:05.49 | nvz | cafuego: depends.. like this one site I went to that had such a php script had an error. well I started passing different params and was able through error messages to map out the entire /srv/www/ dir I dont know why you would want things like php or any server-side script to show errors like that.. they should be logged not shown |
| 00:05.50 | dondelelcaro | secureboot: that's operating system dependent; see what gnupg-agent does, FE. |
| 00:06.00 | dondelelcaro | secureboot: gpg also has to do it... |
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| 00:06.11 | cafuego | secureboot: You either don't cache it or you make SURE you clear the memory after use. |
| 00:06.17 | gs | someone can tell me how to make package to source code (quake3 hehe) ? |
| 00:06.18 | secureboot | dondelelcaro: right - i was just playing with that code, so I should be able to find it. |
| 00:06.24 | grendal_prime | nvs, i agree shut the output off |
| 00:06.34 | gs | or some how tos? |
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| 00:06.38 | grendal_prime | i have worked at places that have production servers that spit that shit out |
| 00:06.45 | cafuego | nvz: Which one of my sites was it? ;-) |
| 00:06.57 | nvz | cafuego: if you program a cgi or server-side script right it shouldnt be bad to pass params. like this one site if you passed an invalid param it defaulted to a certain valid one. |
| 00:06.57 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* some of my production servers do that sort of thing |
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| 00:07.08 | nvz | cafuego: heh |
| 00:07.12 | grendal_prime | i asked them WHY and i loved there answer..."it makes it easyer for us to locate problems and errors in codding" |
| 00:07.13 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 00:07.17 | dondelelcaro | but then, there's a whole backtrace that they actually e-mail me |
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| 00:07.23 | darkpadden | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.30 | cafuego | nvz: Yes, provided the switch() doesn't have bugs that will work fine ... |
| 00:08.03 | secureboot | dondelelcaro: seems like the encrypted virtual memory wouldn't actually be slow if you just encrypted the stuff you swapped to disk. |
| 00:08.13 | nvz | cafuego: I myself dont know php or much other web languages.. I just know what I see from the client side.. and what I've learned in 10 years experience |
| 00:08.22 | secureboot | dondelelcaro: OS X is proof of concept on that one |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | ack . PHP everywhere i go! |
| 00:08.33 | mccbaka | dondelc: thanks. |
| 00:08.34 | cafuego | nvz: it does seem odd, but a misguided programmer MIGHT think they have a valid reason. |
| 00:08.37 | secureboot | dondelelcaro: and then you wouldn't have to worry about a stupid app that forgets to put things on non-swappable pages |
| 00:08.38 | phrontist | how do I get the latest Qt package? |
| 00:08.42 | buu | abrotman: We can burn it all. |
| 00:08.52 | cafuego | nvz: The again, perhaps they use mod-rewrite to map it all to a single script anyway. |
| 00:08.53 | abrotman | buu: i like it .. but it's everywhere! |
| 00:09.00 | grendal_prime | php is pretty nifty |
| 00:09.01 | phrontist | what is the most recent version of Qt availible in package form? |
| 00:09.02 | buu | abrotman: Eww. You first. |
| 00:09.03 | phogg | abrotman: with regards to my devices not mounting problem: this was my younger brother's computer I was working on and as it turns out he'd installed EVMS at some point and left it unconfigured. A few months later when he rebooted he had no idea what caused the partitions not to mount any more. Removed EVMS and all is well. |
| 00:09.09 | grendal_prime | you can lock it back pretty good |
| 00:09.17 | buu | grendal_prime: Yeah if you like being a script kiddy. |
| 00:09.17 | abrotman | phogg: oh .. cute |
| 00:09.25 | nvz | hmm |
| 00:09.32 | grendal_prime | i mean seriously most of the apps i build are web based and php at the core of it... |
| 00:09.34 | abrotman | buu: i've written a lot of php .. it's really not that bad |
| 00:09.38 | phogg | abrotman: he's so happy to have his data back he didn't even mind the way I berated him |
| 00:09.54 | phrontist | :-) |
| 00:09.59 | abrotman | phogg: oh ... make him buy you beer too! |
| 00:10.02 | grendal_prime | for input front ends you really cant beat html and forms...very adjustable |
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| 00:10.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:10.12 | buu | HERETICS |
| 00:10.16 | phrontist | php is pure, unadulterated evil |
| 00:10.16 | abrotman | perl is for S&M fans |
| 00:10.17 | buu | You shall all be purified in the flames! |
| 00:10.24 | phrontist | "Training wheels without the bike" |
| 00:10.28 | buu | merlyn++ |
| 00:10.35 | dondelelcaro | secureboot: uh, it would almost certainly decrease the speed of swap (which is already sluggardly) by a order of magnitude. |
| 00:10.40 | cafuego | phrontist: if it does what I need it to, and does it well, why would I change? |
| 00:10.50 | phrontist | because eventually, it won't |
| 00:10.54 | grendal_prime | word cafuego |
| 00:10.58 | phrontist | but I don't want to get in a holy war |
| 00:11.00 | Ruglia | No matter what type of iso I download I'm getting some error... I've tried jigdo, netinst, full cd image, separate mirrors for them, etc. Anyone ever have any problems with installing such as missing kernal image or no configured mirror or something? |
| 00:11.08 | phrontist | I want to know how to get Qt 3.1 in package form |
| 00:11.13 | cafuego | phrontist: What sort of actual argument do you have for that fud? |
| 00:11.16 | buu | phrontist: But it's so much fun! |
| 00:11.16 | abrotman | phrontist: that's crap |
| 00:11.20 | secureboot | dondelelcaro: only when you swap it out/in - if you've got reasonable memory, this should actually be a tiny hit, since you should only be swapping out stuff you don't use much, right? |
| 00:11.25 | abrotman | phrontist: perl sucks |
| 00:11.32 | buu | abrotman: php sucks! |
| 00:11.37 | phrontist | abrotman: indeed! |
| 00:11.37 | abrotman | phrontist: and why .. because i say so |
| 00:11.38 | buu | At least perl doesn't have easter_days core |
| 00:11.41 | cafuego | buu: aprobtman sucks! |
| 00:11.42 | secureboot | dondelelcaro: so an order of mag hit on something that can be really really really slow with no impact |
| 00:11.51 | buu | cafuego: Lets all unite and flame gentoo |
| 00:11.58 | phrontist | yeah, screw gentoo |
| 00:11.59 | cafuego | buu: gentoo uses perl |
| 00:12.00 | buu | Surely we can all agree on that. |
| 00:12.05 | abrotman | it's actually eiffel that sucks |
| 00:12.13 | buu | cafuego: gold + dogshit is still dogshit. |
| 00:12.17 | grendal_prime | i would love to argue about...but im getting paid to writ an app that runs on php...gotta roll |
| 00:12.18 | phrontist | ugh, don't even get me started on the french |
| 00:12.22 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 00:12.28 | cafuego | buu: are you implying gentoo is gold? |
| 00:12.32 | buu | cafuego: NO |
| 00:12.40 | phrontist | no, I think he meant gentoo is shit |
| 00:12.43 | cafuego | sure looks like it to me |
| 00:12.46 | phogg | in order to really appreciate how much perl sucks you have to learn ungodly amounts of it. |
| 00:12.48 | grendal_prime | thanks for the help with the loop guys...the install seems to be working fine |
| 00:12.58 | phrontist | perl is incredible, you have no idea |
| 00:13.10 | shamu | yeah. In fact, DEBIAN uses perl. |
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| 00:13.12 | buu | phogg: The problem is, once you've learned large amounts of perl.. you realise how much everything else sucks, and how painful it is to use it. |
| 00:13.16 | abrotman | phrontist: incredibly stupid :) |
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| 00:13.27 | phrontist | ANYWAY: I neeeeeed Qt |
| 00:13.28 | dondelelcaro | secureboot: uh, that's assuming you never use swap; regardless, a cryptoloop will encrypt it; it'll just be slow for the reasons I've already given. |
| 00:13.36 | etchian | is there a command line cd player in Etch? |
| 00:13.38 | cafuego | phrontist: Qt is written in C++. |
| 00:13.39 | phogg | buu: The problem is that having learned enough perl to know how much it sucks you can't ever get away from its pull |
| 00:13.53 | buu | phogg: If you think it sucks, you haven't learned enough. QED |
| 00:13.57 | cafuego | etchian: there should be lots. |
| 00:13.59 | abrotman | phrontist: apt-cache search libqt |
| 00:14.22 | phogg | buu: it pains me the way a skyscraper does when it falls on its architect. |
| 00:14.27 | etchian | like which ones... ? |
| 00:14.56 | buu | phogg: Learn more. You will come to realise the true beauty. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED> |
| 00:15.08 | shamu | join usss ... jooiiinnn ussss |
| 00:15.15 | buu | =] |
| 00:15.33 | TinMan^-^ | Hello, all. |
| 00:15.33 | TinMan^-^ | ^^ |
| 00:15.34 | buu | It's just amazing how painful all these other languages are. I ask them how they do something and they come back with like 10 lines |
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| 00:15.56 | buu | And I need hot dogs. TO THE HOT DOG MOBILE. |
| 00:16.02 | pngwn | etchian, packages.debian.org |
| 00:16.10 | jvw | perl is like drugs, it can be enormously satisfying, but once you're too much used to it, you can't resist keeping using again and again, even when inappropriate |
| 00:16.26 | shamu | when's it inappropriate to use perl? |
| 00:16.26 | Overand | s/drugs/crack |
| 00:16.36 | shamu | there's always room for perl! |
| 00:16.54 | shamu | well, maybe not in device drivers. |
| 00:17.08 | TinMan^-^ | Can anyone here help me get snes9express installed? it needs gtk, which needs atk, cairo, glib, and pango, and I'm only on the first one (which for me I started with cairo) and that won't install because I need freetype? But I think Ihave it and it's just not found. If anyone could help, I'd greatly appreciate it. |
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| 00:17.33 | Overand | TinMan^-^: all of that stuff should be more or less handled by apt nearly automatically |
| 00:17.40 | phogg | shamu: I'm sure you could write perl device drivers. It would be insane, but... |
| 00:17.42 | Overand | TinMan^-^: how exactly are you installing said libraries? |
| 00:17.54 | Overand | phogg: it would be 'inappropriate' though |
| 00:17.54 | shamu | agreed :-| |
| 00:18.00 | jvw | TinMan^-^: the package is in Debian, what goes wrong with using apt or synaptic or so? |
| 00:18.05 | TinMan^-^ | ... well I couldn't find gtk+ on aptitude... |
| 00:18.11 | phogg | Overand: but fun. ANd where there's fun there's propriety, says I |
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| 00:18.25 | TinMan^-^ | so I got the sources for it.. |
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| 00:18.38 | Overand | Step 1: Write Device driver in Perl. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit! |
| 00:18.40 | jvw | TinMan^-^: gtk+ is in Debian for sure, it's quite a core library |
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| 00:18.52 | Robot101 | Overand: FUSE lets you write filesystems in perl |
| 00:18.55 | TinMan^-^ | Thats what I thought... but I couldn't find it... |
| 00:19.00 | shamu | Step 2: Go insane and found a religion. |
| 00:19.04 | Overand | Robot101: that's what's used for gmailfs isn't it? |
| 00:19.04 | Robot101 | Overand: mod_perl lets you write webapps in perl, or modules for your webserver |
| 00:19.21 | Robot101 | Overand: yeah, or maybe that's in python... |
| 00:19.34 | Overand | Last I checked it was broken anyway =/ |
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| 00:19.53 | shamu | perl itself helps you flush out bugs in vendors' C libraries :-) |
| 00:19.53 | jvw | TinMan^-^: snes9express simply depends on it |
| 00:20.04 | jvw | TinMan^-^: so, just install snes9express with apt, and you're done |
| 00:20.09 | Overand | TinMan^-^: how were you installing snes9express? |
| 00:20.19 | TinMan^-^ | I got the source for it. |
| 00:20.26 | Overand | TinMan^-^: apt-get install snes9express |
| 00:20.27 | Robot101 | Overand: robot101.net/files/tmp/TransHandler.pm for example looks up virtual domains in a postgres database :P |
| 00:20.36 | TinMan^-^ | snes9express isn't on aptitude... |
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| 00:20.49 | Overand | TinMan^-^: it's in the 'stable' repository |
| 00:20.54 | jvw | TinMan^-^: maybe you need contrib & non-free in your sources.list |
| 00:20.57 | Overand | that version of debian are you running? |
| 00:21.03 | Overand | ah yeah probably in contrib |
| 00:21.05 | jvw | TinMan^-^: snes9 is non-free |
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| 00:21.22 | TinMan^-^ | Oh. That means I have to buy debian to get it? |
| 00:21.23 | kreg_lt | raidstart come with raidtools2 ? |
| 00:21.27 | Overand | ... |
| 00:21.36 | Overand | TinMan^-^: no, ytou need to add the word "non-free" to your sources.list |
| 00:21.36 | jvw | TinMan^-^: no, it's gratis |
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| 00:21.46 | Overand | it's free as in beer, just not free as in speech |
| 00:21.50 | jvw | TinMan^-^: but not free-to-be-modified |
| 00:21.59 | jvw | TinMan^-^: If you just use it for your personal use, it shouldn't matter |
| 00:22.00 | TinMan^-^ | Oh. How do I add non-free to my source list? |
| 00:22.18 | jvw | TinMan^-^: with your favourite editor, edit as root /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:23.05 | TinMan^-^ | so I add ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ non-free ? |
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| 00:23.31 | Chester | I just did an install of sarge but specified the 2.6 kernel. Now sources.list points everythign at testing. Is there any option of having a 2.6 kernel but with everthing else as stable? |
| 00:23.42 | darkpadden | TinMan^-^, deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
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| 00:23.53 | TinMan^-^ | oh heh how did you find that out? |
| 00:23.56 | jvw | TinMan^-^: in your current lines, replace where it says 'main' with 'main contrib non-free' |
| 00:24.01 | etchian | tx, pngwn, I did apt-get some. |
| 00:24.08 | dondelelcaro | Chester: yes, if you install with the real 3.1r0a; using the linux26 option, it will install 2.6.8 |
| 00:24.27 | jvw | TinMan^-^: darkpadden's suggestion gets you testing, you may not want that |
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| 00:25.14 | Chester | dondelelcaro: I did that using the netisntall iso but my sources list is all testing |
| 00:25.14 | Overand | Chester: sounds like you used an older netinstall |
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| 00:25.15 | TinMan^-^ | Thankyou all. How did you figgure that out? |
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| 00:25.15 | darkpadden | TinMan^-^, yeah keep your line the same just change the end |
| 00:25.15 | Chester | Overand: I'll go and double check now |
| 00:25.31 | TinMan^-^ | ahh aptitude is loading with errors now... |
| 00:25.35 | jvw | TinMan^-^: by reading apt documentation and by simple experience with Debian |
| 00:26.01 | jvw | TinMan^-^: what is your line in sources.list now? |
| 00:26.04 | TinMan^-^ | "Coudln't stat source package list ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/contrib Packages (lots of file stuff here)" |
| 00:26.12 | TinMan^-^ | well |
| 00:26.14 | TinMan^-^ | I have 3 lines |
| 00:26.24 | TinMan^-^ | and each one I changed the ends of |
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| 00:26.39 | Chester | The iso image i used is debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso. If there was a newer version wouldn't they have bumped the version number? |
| 00:26.46 | TinMan^-^ | one says deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 00:26.51 | dondelelcaro | Chester: and you told it to install stable? |
| 00:26.58 | jvw | TinMan^-^: please aptitude update first |
| 00:26.58 | TinMan^-^ | deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 00:27.17 | TinMan^-^ | ? I'm extreamly new to this. How do I do that? |
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| 00:27.30 | jvw | TinMan^-^: your lines are correct, you just need to update. type "aptitude update" |
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| 00:27.37 | TinMan^-^ | oh |
| 00:27.42 | DuckTales | Where can I get a list of all the changes to debian.org... Like if I apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade right now...and then I do it again in a week...I will have updates....Where is the list of what was changed and why? |
| 00:27.42 | Chester | dondelelcaro: I just followed the proptms and selected linux26. I don't remember being asked about stable or testing at any point |
| 00:27.50 | Overand | that's weird. |
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| 00:28.00 | TinMan^-^ | Wow, you guys are a big help. I apprecaite it. |
| 00:28.04 | vorlon | Chester: then it should install stable by default. |
| 00:28.06 | jvw | DuckTales: debian-devel-changes@lists.debian.org, check http://lists.debian.org |
| 00:28.30 | jvw | vorlon: early sarge cd's had a bug in them though |
| 00:28.43 | vorlon | jvw: not 3.1r0a |
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| 00:28.54 | Chester | OK I'll go try again. Maybe I stuffed up something. I'll try and duplicate it |
| 00:28.55 | vorlon | (don't remind me, grrr) |
| 00:29.04 | jvw | vorlon: *g* |
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| 00:31.06 | Charbal | Just to make sure there aren't any better ways... etch system, did an aptitude upgrade today, it gave me a chance to abort installation of libc since I had gdm/postgresql running, only to have it apparently continue. Hit control-C almost immediately and it stopped. Now, however, I can't do much of anything... using dpkg -i to manually attempt the installation yields: tar: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version G |
| 00:31.07 | Charbal | LIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 00:31.43 | Charbal | Unless there's a better idea, I'm about to reboot into Knoppix and try it again from there. |
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| 00:32.51 | resiak | Charbal: You shouldn't have ctrl-c'd :). You'll want to repeatedly apply ld in strange ways that I do not understand, but someone here will. |
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| 00:33.21 | m2 | Charbal: boot knoppix, mount /dev/whatever /mnt, dpkg --root=/mnt -i /mnt/var/apt/cache/libc6_*.deb |
| 00:33.27 | m2 | Charbal: or something like that. |
| 00:33.39 | m2 | Charbal: you can do that with a debian CD, too. |
| 00:33.50 | m2 | Charbal: with Knoppix it's prettier probably. |
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| 00:35.04 | vorlon | Charbal: so, yeah, for the record, ctrl-c while dpkg is in the middle of setting up libc6 isn't a good thing. Have you tried running ldconfig? |
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| 00:35.32 | dmz | howdy y'all, i have a little problem. shouldn't NFS be able to support > 2gig files? i am having problems with files > 2gig |
| 00:36.06 | Charbal | vorlon: Yeah |
| 00:36.41 | Charbal | vorlon: I don't even have a /lib/libc.so.6 at the moment. |
| 00:36.46 | womble | dmz: Do the kernels at both ends have large file support? |
| 00:37.02 | Charbal | Or any other libc* |
| 00:37.30 | vorlon | Charbal: well, that's a cute trick. |
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| 00:37.39 | abrotman | vorlon: are you sure .. i mean .. seems safe :) |
| 00:37.43 | Gnabbe | which icq client is any good these days? |
| 00:37.43 | dmz | on source end, let me check client |
| 00:37.47 | dmz | samba works though |
| 00:37.55 | Charbal | Oh, wait, I have libc-2.3.2.so and libc-2.3.5.so |
| 00:37.56 | dmz | how can i check if there is kernel support? |
| 00:38.04 | Charbal | I was looking for libc.* |
| 00:38.05 | abrotman | Gnabbe: gaim ? |
| 00:38.10 | vorlon | dmz: you probably have to specify an NFS protocol version that supports large files, like nfsver=4 or something |
| 00:38.10 | abrotman | Gnabbe: apt-cache search icq |
| 00:38.13 | Charbal | I'll try a manual symlink to see what happens :P |
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| 00:38.36 | litage | why can the command given to sudo not be an alias? Eg: i've setup ll='ls -l', but `sudo ll /path` says "sudo: ll: command not found" |
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| 00:38.58 | vorlon | Charbal: well, yeah, running LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libc-2.3.5.so ldconfig should do the trick I think. Or maybe LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libc-2.3.2.so ldconfig, it depends on which version of ld.so is currently unpacked. |
| 00:39.22 | jvw | litage: sudo's access restrictions prevent that |
| 00:39.26 | Agrajag- | Gnabbe: licq supports the most icq features. has msn support too. |
| 00:39.48 | nvz | dpkg, info gxine stable |
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| 00:39.58 | jvw | litage: sudo's often used to grant only limited rights, aliasses would be a nasty way to circumvent them' |
| 00:40.00 | nvz | hmm |
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| 00:40.07 | litage | jvw: gotcha |
| 00:40.08 | litage | thanks |
| 00:40.11 | dmz | volon would that be specified on the nfs server or client? |
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| 00:40.22 | Gnabbe | thanks |
| 00:40.25 | vorlon | dmz: client. If there's other server setup required, I don't know what it is. |
| 00:40.29 | nvz | !+find bin/gxine$ |
| 00:40.31 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:40.36 | shamu | litage: actually ... i think it's a bit diferent than that |
| 00:40.38 | Charbal | vorlon: No joy. |
| 00:40.40 | Plazma | man i forgot how great apt and aptitude really are, its been way to long |
| 00:40.45 | shamu | aliases are parsed by the shell |
| 00:40.48 | nvz | hmm should not have done that |
| 00:40.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gxine' (1): (/usr/bin/gxine) in graphics/gxine. |
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| 00:40.55 | dvs | Plazma: How long? bo? hamm? |
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| 00:41.02 | vorlon | Charbal: did both commands give you errors, or what? |
| 00:41.05 | shamu | sudo takes its next argument and passes it to exec(); which is found via the path and then executed |
| 00:41.09 | shamu | as a command |
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| 00:41.11 | nvz | I wonder why gxine isnt in sarge |
| 00:41.18 | jvw | shamu: yeah, and it runs as root's shell, not the users's shell, so different .bashrc |
| 00:41.21 | Plazma | dvs, way to long.. been telling myself "im going to install linux on this box as soon as i built it" kept pushing it off |
| 00:41.45 | nvz | I had it installed on here before I reinstalled.. thats strange |
| 00:41.45 | Plazma | dvs, i had issues in the past with some things, but ive moved to sarge/sid on a few VMware sessions and the SID is rock solid |
| 00:41.46 | Charbal | vorlon: No pertinent errors (a few like /lib/libmemusage.so is not a symbolic link) |
| 00:41.51 | shamu | no no ... sudo doesn't have visibility onto the shell's aliases; only onto its environment variables |
| 00:42.07 | vorlon | Charbal: and do you have a /lib/libc.so.6 now, or not? |
| 00:42.20 | shamu | I thkn you can execute an alias under sudo by typing 'sudo bash -e ll blah' |
| 00:42.28 | shamu | but sudo itself can't understand what 'll' means |
| 00:42.37 | Charbal | vorlon: Yes, I do |
| 00:42.43 | shamu | it needs bash to read the .profile and then interpret ll, then execute it via exec()) |
| 00:42.52 | Plazma | for a second there i thought "vorlon" was voltron... i was like woa w00t |
| 00:42.53 | Charbal | vorlon: Still can't use ls or much else, though :P |
| 00:42.58 | vorlon | Charbal: but you still can't run commands? What errors? |
| 00:43.23 | Charbal | ls: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 00:43.37 | Overand | heh |
| 00:43.46 | Plazma | sounds like its sick |
| 00:43.53 | Overand | sorry to 'heh' that |
| 00:44.01 | Overand | that's juts really really royally borked |
| 00:44.03 | nvz | shamu: you wouldnt want to give permission to run bash with sudo might as well use su and type the damn alias or just sudo the actuall command |
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| 00:44.10 | shamu | charbal ... if you wanna save some time, save off your home dir somewhere and nuke the disk from orbit |
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| 00:44.42 | Charbal | Time doesn't matter too much. Personal system |
| 00:45.03 | vorlon | Charbal: ok... you have the old version of libpthread.so.0 unpacked, but you have the new libc.so.6 and new ld-linux.so.2. The only way to fix that is if you have some tool that you can unpack the rest of libc6 without needing libpthread |
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| 00:45.32 | vorlon | and... tar doesn't qualify |
| 00:45.36 | Charbal | Things might work if I had a staticly linked tar :P |
| 00:45.38 | jvw | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/... ? |
| 00:45.53 | jvw | or does dpkg requires pthread too? |
| 00:46.03 | jvw | dpkg: please shut up |
| 00:46.07 | Charbal | jvw: dpkg uses tar which apparently does. |
| 00:46.08 | shamu | busybox has one, I think |
| 00:46.22 | shamu | you tried booting knoppix or the like and doing the dpkg --root deal? |
| 00:46.33 | Charbal | Not yet, but it seems like that should work. |
| 00:46.36 | resiak | Hmm, everyone appears to be arsing their Etchen with libc upgrades :) |
| 00:46.48 | vorlon | Charbal: what do you have for /lib/libpthread* ? |
| 00:46.55 | jvw | testing/unstable is very... unstable atm :) |
| 00:47.06 | vorlon | jvw: lies |
| 00:47.24 | vorlon | he arsed his system by interrupting dpkg in the middle of replacing libc6, that's not a testing/unstable problem :P |
| 00:47.39 | Charbal | vorlon: libpthread-0.10.so, -0.10.so.dpkg-tmp, .so.0 |
| 00:47.41 | gravity | woo |
| 00:48.11 | Charbal | dpkg-tmp sounds promising |
| 00:48.26 | vorlon | Charbal: mv /lib/libpthread-0.10.so.dpkg-tmp /lib/libpthread-0.10.so |
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| 00:48.53 | abrotman | he can't ar x the deb .. then tar -zxf the tar.gz and place the files ? |
| 00:49.01 | abrotman | probably not .. |
| 00:49.08 | vorlon | I don't know if that ended up being quicker than rebooting to knoppix, but it should still fix you up, finally. :) |
| 00:49.13 | vorlon | abrotman: tar depends on libpthread |
| 00:49.23 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:49.36 | Charbal | And do another ldconfig? |
| 00:49.49 | vorlon | it's already unpacked on his system, anyway; it had to be, if the package was partially replaced on the fs |
| 00:49.55 | vorlon | Charbal: shouldn't even be required |
| 00:50.01 | vorlon | stuff should work now, or at least more stuff than before |
| 00:50.12 | Charbal | ls still won't... |
| 00:50.17 | vorlon | same error? |
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| 00:50.30 | Charbal | Yeah |
| 00:50.39 | vorlon | grr. |
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| 00:50.43 | shamu | at least if you boot into knoppix, you can do the same thing, and then keep trying to manually 'chroot' into the drive to see if it's intact |
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| 00:50.55 | m2 | Charbal: what's the error? I missed that part |
| 00:50.56 | tat | does someone know how to set all deb packages which are hold back to normal ? |
| 00:51.00 | vorlon | Charbal: it's live cd for you, then |
| 00:51.01 | shamu | then when it finally looks like it's happy, exit the chroot unmount the drive, and reboot |
| 00:51.04 | Charbal | m2: ls: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 00:51.40 | Charbal | Okay, here goes... |
| 00:51.49 | jvw | shamu: evil solution: dpkg --get-selections|grep hold|sed s/hold/install/ | dpkg --set-selectioins |
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| 00:52.25 | jvw | shamu: (untested, use at your own risk, etc) |
| 00:52.38 | iamnow | does the paypal list fast money scheme work? |
| 00:52.48 | sanxiyn | iamnow: What do you think? |
| 00:52.50 | shamu | you mean to change held back packages to instal? |
| 00:52.54 | abrotman | iamnow: say what? |
| 00:53.02 | jvw | shamu: yeah |
| 00:53.03 | tat | shamu : hes |
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| 00:53.08 | iamnow | sanxiyn: it either does or it deosnt..how should i know |
| 00:53.11 | shamu | tat: i'd try apt-get dist-upgrade. That sometimes fixes things up. |
| 00:53.22 | abrotman | iamnow: go to another channel please .. |
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| 00:54.00 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 00:54.20 | sanxiyn | !beer abrotman |
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| 00:54.23 | shamu | and once again, #debian was made safe by its valiant knight |
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| 00:54.33 | abrotman | at least dpkg has been taught how to spell guinness |
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| 00:54.44 | abrotman | shamu: who? |
| 00:55.09 | shamu | uh, that would be you |
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| 00:55.18 | abrotman | haha .. |
| 00:55.23 | HellKat | How do I change my Screen Resolution settings (Telling it what my monitor can do, and what I prefer) for GDM |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | shamu: can i wear the red armor? |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | !drxx HellKat |
| 00:55.35 | dpkg | HellKat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:55.45 | shamu | sure (sorry, I don't get the reference) |
| 00:56.01 | abrotman | shamu: percival or tristram wore red armor .. i think percival |
| 00:56.06 | shamu | gotcha |
| 00:56.13 | shamu | what? |
| 00:56.28 | shamu | so what ... they spray-painted it, like bender when he doubled for Snata? |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | shamu: i've read La Morte D'Arthur about .. 100 times :) |
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| 00:56.56 | Om | /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib should both be searched by ld when it's looking for .so's, right? |
| 00:57.12 | HellKat | how many kbs is 128mbs? |
| 00:57.22 | buu | HellKat: 5.6 |
| 00:57.32 | shamu | about a hundred |
| 00:57.38 | shamu | (dollars) |
| 00:57.46 | HellKat | :) |
| 00:57.55 | HellKat | its like 131xxx or something |
| 00:57.56 | jvw | HellKat: 128 * 1024 kbs |
| 00:58.00 | shamu | two hundred and forty sixxxx |
| 00:58.03 | abrotman | buu: say what? |
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| 00:58.24 | buu | abrotman: I was making up random numbers. |
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| 00:58.35 | abrotman | buu: your perl scripts are broken :) |
| 00:58.38 | jvw | HellKat: multiplication is left as an exercise to the reader # << math student |
| 00:58.46 | buu | abrotman: My perl scripts are Perfect! |
| 00:58.47 | shamu | I think in networking, kilobits/sec * 1000 = megabits/sec |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | buu: not if that's how your math turns out :) |
| 00:59.06 | abrotman | shamu: no .. 1024 |
| 00:59.11 | buu | That math was done using PHP |
| 00:59.12 | shamu | and kilo, mega, kega, zigga, ziggazigga, ah are all decimal |
| 00:59.15 | tom_n | i've just downloaded a new graphics driver and i havn't got a clue what to do with it, can anyone help? |
| 00:59.17 | shamu | not 1024 |
| 00:59.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:59.21 | buu | tom_n: Try installing it |
| 00:59.30 | sanxiyn | Om: I think so. |
| 00:59.34 | jvw | shamu: only for the SI pedantics, and harddisk manufacturers |
| 00:59.50 | shamu | err ... and networking device manufacturers |
| 00:59.59 | shamu | I think the clocking is done in decimal, not binary |
| 01:00.13 | buu | Let's have a duel to the death over it. |
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| 01:00.14 | shamu | I mean, the specs |
| 01:00.14 | abrotman | it's 1024 |
| 01:00.19 | tom_n | buu: fine, how? |
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| 01:00.24 | shamu | <cue star trek fight music> |
| 01:00.30 | jvw | no, 100MBit is really 100*1024*1024 bits per second |
| 01:00.34 | abrotman | star trek has fight music ? |
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| 01:01.08 | HellKat | Star Trek rocks. |
| 01:01.12 | sanxiyn | jvw: It's 100 MiB. |
| 01:01.21 | DoppelGanger | mv rocks sucks |
| 01:01.36 | sanxiyn | M, or prefix mega-'s meaning is defined in SI. |
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| 01:01.47 | shamu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100BASE-TX |
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| 01:01.59 | shamu | speed |
| 01:02.31 | blub | any ideas on why my hard drive is being set to udma2 when it supports udma5? (I have both VIA and AMD chipset support built into the kernel and those are what are on my mother board.) |
| 01:03.00 | shamu | under 'technical detials' . Networking and hard drive mfgs don't have any particular interest in binary measurements, unlike memory mfgs (where buses are powers of 2 in width) |
| 01:03.02 | jvw | oh, bah, apparantly I misremembered... shouldn't reproduce from memory stuff like this :-/ |
| 01:03.20 | shamu | sokay, it's only a difference of 5% anyway |
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| 01:03.41 | Charbal | Okay, ls seems to be working from the chroot environment. |
| 01:03.48 | Charbal | I didn't actually use dpkg, though |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | shamu: just because they don't have interest doens't make it correct |
| 01:04.20 | shamu | you mean you chrooted rather than dpkg --root=/mnt/hda2 ? |
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| 01:04.22 | green_earz | blub: check out hdparm to setup your hd to udma5 |
| 01:04.33 | Charbal | The symlink libpthread.so.0 was pointing to libpthread-0.10.so.dpkg-tmp |
| 01:05.00 | shamu | sorry, not the manufacturers, the developers (early on) |
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| 01:05.09 | Charbal | So I pointed it at the backup copy of libpthread-0.10.so I made before that mv instead. |
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| 01:05.23 | green_earz | blub: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html |
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| 01:10.23 | Charbal | From there, things worked well enough to use dpkg inside the chroot to finish the installation. So it looks like it should have been possible without the live CD. |
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| 01:10.37 | Charbal | I just couldn't see where the symlink was pointing since my ls was broken :P |
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| 01:12.24 | abrotman | too bad echo * can't show symlinks |
| 01:12.35 | myren | we're trying to get bare copper + shared line DSL but the ISP says we need a dialtone for shared line |
| 01:12.39 | myren | what the fuck can we do |
| 01:12.40 | myren | thats bullshit |
| 01:12.54 | dvs | myren: Not around here |
| 01:13.10 | Robot101 | you sure do in the UK, but BT's got everyone stitched up nicely |
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| 01:13.11 | myren | dvs: i'm washington dc area. |
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| 01:13.19 | abrotman | comcast! |
| 01:13.26 | abrotman | bastards .. hope they die |
| 01:13.28 | dvs | myren: I'm in Ontario |
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| 01:13.38 | dvs | (and I still hopes Bell dies) |
| 01:13.51 | myren | fuck that crap. i want port 80. i want someone who doesnt copy all my traffic directly into the fed's DB's |
| 01:14.01 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:14.13 | dvs | Homeland Security my ass! |
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| 01:14.58 | tat_ | shamu : i think i got it now |
| 01:15.05 | myren | i cant see why bare coper + shared line DSL wouldnt work |
| 01:15.07 | myren | thats fucked up |
| 01:15.13 | Bhaal | Does anyone know where the @INC path is actually stored for perl? |
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| 01:15.36 | comex | Is there a way to get apt to try to reinstall all config files? |
| 01:15.37 | dvs | myren: It can work. they just don't want to make it work. |
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| 01:15.56 | abrotman | !missconf |
| 01:15.59 | abrotman | bah |
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| 01:16.27 | kristov | hi |
| 01:16.30 | abrotman | comex: man dpkg ... missconf |
| 01:16.33 | comex | Apparently, most of /etc is now nameless in the /lost+found directory. I'd rather not identify files that I haven't even customized. |
| 01:16.38 | comex | ok |
| 01:16.52 | abrotman | comex: you'll have to search for missconf . it's in the --force secgtion |
| 01:17.06 | shamu | tat_: ok |
| 01:17.32 | tat_ | shamu : dist-upgrade looks like us working |
| 01:17.40 | comex | thanks |
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| 01:18.12 | abrotman | shamu: red armor was percival .. one of the grail knights |
| 01:18.17 | sthk | hi dudes |
| 01:18.42 | sthk | could any be so kind and help me please? |
| 01:18.52 | m2 | Bhaal: you mean the default? |
| 01:18.53 | shamu | abrotman: gotcha |
| 01:19.03 | m2 | Bhaal: uhm, hardcoded? |
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| 01:19.19 | shamu | sthk: get on the highway, go for about 3 miles, then turn off. You cant miss it. |
| 01:19.25 | shamu | glad to be of help |
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| 01:19.37 | sthk | i have a problem with the instalation of ralinl driver on debian |
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| 01:19.56 | sthk | ralink driver, for an wusb54g |
| 01:20.17 | xoz | if i would like to use vnc in host C and there is a firewall in host B, is it possible to use portforwarding from my host A to C thru B? |
| 01:20.25 | shamu | sthk: oh. I thought it was that you had an extra 'l' in ralinl that you accidentally took out of 'installation' :-) |
| 01:20.30 | Bhaal | m2: doesnt matter now, fixed the issue thanks though |
| 01:20.48 | sthk | yes, sorry |
| 01:20.50 | sthk | see |
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| 01:21.06 | m2 | xoz: yes |
| 01:21.07 | shamu | it's not autosensing it? what kernel rev? |
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| 01:21.20 | xoz | m2: what's the command? |
| 01:21.32 | sthk | it said that |
| 01:21.32 | sthk | sthk@kropotkin:~/rt2570-cvs-2005090522/Module$ make |
| 01:21.33 | sthk | Makefile:156: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build/Rules.make: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 01:21.35 | sthk | make: *** No hay ninguna regla para construir el objetivo `/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build/Rules.make'. Alto. |
| 01:21.58 | m2 | xoz: don't know off the top of my head |
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| 01:22.07 | vorlon | sthk: install kernel-build-2.4.27-2-386, I think |
| 01:22.14 | shamu | sthk whoops, that's beyond me |
| 01:22.22 | sthk | doesnt exist the directory or file, make, there arent any rule for build the objetive |
| 01:22.40 | xoz | m2: i tried ssh -Lport1:C:port2 B but it fails to give me the authentication if i connect the vncviewer to localhost:port1 |
| 01:22.49 | m2 | xoz: used to do it... ssh -L 1234:hostc:9000 B |
| 01:22.53 | sthk | with apt-get install kernel-build-2.4... or with the kernel-source ?? |
| 01:23.12 | m2 | xoz: uhm, it does? |
| 01:23.19 | zarathustra | hi everybody, I am having problems installing debian etch in a dell inspiron 9300 laptop. The installer is unable to detect de cdrom, is there a special boot option to resolve this ? |
| 01:23.25 | xoz | m2: does not work here. |
| 01:23.41 | m2 | xoz: gimme a sec |
| 01:24.02 | vorlon | sthk: hmm, sorry, I'm mistaken |
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| 01:24.18 | sthk | i already installed the kernel-sources |
| 01:24.24 | xoz | m2: i know there is a connection because vncviewer does not timeout immediately but it seems that not all packets are received. |
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| 01:24.32 | sthk | but anyway it continue make me this error |
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| 01:25.02 | sthk | what can i do? |
| 01:25.27 | mcquillg | Are the Dell Megaraid2 drivers included in kernel versions past 2.6.8.1? I only see the patch up to that kernel version. |
| 01:25.39 | vorlon | sthk: try installing kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386, and making sure that /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build is a symlink to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 01:25.42 | m2 | xoz: http://www.vis.uni-stuttgart.de/~magallon/kepler |
| 01:25.45 | mcquillg | Has anyone else got 2.6 running on a powerede 2850? |
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| 01:25.48 | green_earz | zarathustra: see if you can boot a copy of knoppix from the cdrom, |
| 01:25.50 | mcquillg | *poweredge |
| 01:25.53 | dvs | powerade? |
| 01:25.55 | m2 | xoz: maybe that gives you a hint. |
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| 01:26.06 | colby | mcquillg: i have been compiling from debian sources for my poweredge 1850/2850s, latest i've used is 2.6.11 with no issues |
| 01:26.25 | sthk | and if i install the kernel 2.6 it make an error, cause it send me an error about the x, and said me that doesnt can put my x up, because the video card is unrecognized |
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| 01:26.32 | mcquillg | colby, did you apply the seperate megaraid drivers? |
| 01:26.46 | colby | mcquillg: no, nothing external, just debian sources |
| 01:27.06 | zarathustra | green_earz, well i have booted with an ubuntu live cd without problems |
| 01:27.20 | sthk | but, for install the rt driver of wusb54g v4? what can i do? |
| 01:27.30 | Elive_user | sup all |
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| 01:27.51 | mcquillg | colby, weird, cause when I did that and ran a mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.13 2.6.13 it said that it couldn't load the Megaraid2 module |
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| 01:28.14 | Elive_user | im using enlightenment 17 and nautilus, but nautilus doesnt show the icons as pictures, is there any way to fix this without running gnome? |
| 01:28.16 | colby | mcquillg: ah, i've not been using an initrd, only a monolithic kernel :o( |
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| 01:28.28 | sthk | could anyone help me please? |
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| 01:28.55 | mcquillg | colby, well I haven't rebooted it yet -- I don't *know* that it's going to fail. |
| 01:29.00 | m2 | Elive_user: I bet on gnome-settigs-daemon |
| 01:29.09 | mcquillg | just that weird error from initrd |
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| 01:29.24 | Elive_user | m2, thanks ill give it a try |
| 01:29.25 | litage | is there an updated LDAP-on-Sarge doc to follow for installing LDAP? |
| 01:29.26 | shamu | mcquillg: one option is to make-kpkg |
| 01:29.35 | colby | i always use make-kpkg also |
| 01:29.36 | shamu | make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version -foo --rootcmd=fakeroot --config=menuconf |
| 01:29.36 | shamu | ig buildpackage |
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| 01:29.46 | xoz | m2: thanks for the link. will try it. |
| 01:29.51 | green_earz | zarathustra: it look like there may be then a error on the copy of debian you have. download a debian cd by bittorent or jigdo. so the downlaod is error check |
| 01:29.59 | mcquillg | Thanks shamu |
| 01:30.04 | sthk | hi? |
| 01:30.16 | shamu | I've tried this with 2.6 kernels and it seems to build a complete initrd for me more than it used to |
| 01:30.30 | shamu | make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version -foo --rootcmd=fakeroot --config=menuconfig buildpackage |
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| 01:31.02 | zarathustra | green_earz, hmmm, but i have checked de md5sum and it is correct |
| 01:31.06 | mcquillg | shamu, the directions I followed are a little more broken up but I think they do the same thing: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 01:31.20 | shamu | the instructions I have say to install: kernel-package build-essential fakeroot libncurses5-dev bzip2 (maybe also cramfsprogs) |
| 01:31.38 | shamu | then unpack the kernel source, cd to the kernel source dir, and run the make-kpkg command |
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| 01:31.49 | green_earz | zarathustra: ok and it dose no boot at all ? |
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| 01:33.17 | shamu | yeah -- I think the make-kpkg also dumps a nice separate copy of your .config, tagged with the version number for you to save off. |
| 01:33.26 | green_earz | zarathustra: ha that before you burn the cd you did the md5sum check |
| 01:33.37 | pedro420 | Can someone here please help me with my problem ? I had a wireless usb mouse and it quit workin. Now I have to use the mouse that came with the pc but the person that installed my OS must have not setup my mouse port in the back of my pc. How can I fix this problem ? |
| 01:33.46 | shamu | but tomato, tomahto |
| 01:34.15 | green_earz | zarathustra: could be poor cd media |
| 01:34.44 | zarathustra | green_earz, maybe, which image do you recommend me to download ? |
| 01:34.44 | shamu | +check |
| 01:34.44 | shamu | <pedro420> Can someone here please help me with my problem ? I had a wireless |
| 01:34.44 | shamu | +usb mouse and it quit workin. Now I have to use the mouse that came with the |
| 01:35.06 | shamu | whoops |
| 01:35.12 | shamu | sorry about that |
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| 01:35.34 | Charbal | pedro420: Not really anything to do with PHP. That said, wireless keyboards/mice generally have configuration buttons on the device and the base station itself so that they can lock on to each other. Try that. |
| 01:35.42 | cafuego | shamu: Check the batteries. |
| 01:35.45 | nvz | you arent allowed to have it back until you learn to use it responsibly |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | nvz: he's already in a pond |
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| 01:36.08 | pedro420 | NVZ: Help me fix the pc yo |
| 01:36.10 | nvz | he's been kicked once already for the accidental flooding |
| 01:36.15 | shamu | doh |
| 01:36.20 | GoatRoby | How do I get `screen` not to show GPL info when executed? |
| 01:36.29 | shamu | can I deny myself flooding ability? |
| 01:36.29 | Charbal | pedro420: It's possible the port is disabled in the BIOS, but it's not likely. |
| 01:36.36 | nvz | shamu: yeah use irssi |
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| 01:36.45 | green_earz | zarathustra: the "netinst" cd its about 110 meg and the rest of a install is over the net |
| 01:36.46 | cafuego | shamu: Sure, type /quit |
| 01:36.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | shamu: ask for a +q |
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| 01:36.58 | cafuego | shamu: or /disco flood on |
| 01:37.08 | nvz | pedro420: its probably not configured to use ps mouse like you said you will need to reconfigure the x server maybe I'll stop up in a few |
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| 01:37.23 | pedro420 | Hope you do man |
| 01:37.24 | nvz | pedro420: did you check the batteries in the wireless? |
| 01:37.29 | green_earz | zarathustra: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 01:37.33 | shamu | goatroby: I start screen with 'screen -dmS my_screen_name' |
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| 01:37.40 | pedro420 | Yeah they work.. I slammed off the wall |
| 01:37.43 | shamu | then when you connect to it, it gives you the shell prompt directly |
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| 01:37.56 | Charbal | pedro420: My apologies for the PHP reference. Thought I was in ##php for a sec. |
| 01:38.12 | nvz | pedro420: if you hold shift and press numlock you can use the keypad for a mouse the 5 button in the middle clicks |
| 01:38.29 | shamu | I'd think another wired usb mouse should work just fine |
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| 01:38.48 | nvz | shamu: yeah he obviously has a ps2 mouse |
| 01:39.08 | shamu | oh oops |
| 01:39.18 | pedro420 | NVZ: Thats cool. Hopefully you make your happy ass on up here and fix it so that I can use the ps mouse |
| 01:39.18 | zarathustra | green_earz, ok thank you very much |
| 01:39.28 | nvz | heh I got a dialog that says a script was making mozilla run slowly and asked me if I wanted to abort |
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| 01:39.31 | green_earz | np and all the best |
| 01:39.43 | zarathustra | : D |
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| 01:39.56 | GoatRoby | shamu: just `screen -m` is good enough for me! thanks!! |
| 01:40.11 | nvz | I guess there is some kind of limit to how much pr0n firefox can process at once |
| 01:40.19 | gravity | heh |
| 01:40.23 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:41.34 | TyreseJones | If i use apt-proxy on one of my machines, and i have diffrent variations of debian, *as in specialised versions, like skolelinux* will the distros i want to update know which package to request? Or are variations of a particular package always called something diffrent? |
| 01:41.52 | htedrom | hey all, what's an option i can use in fstab so the op system doesn't try mounting it on boot? |
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| 01:42.02 | pedro420 | NVZ: Hopefully u can make it the sooner the better we are goin to maronis with reef in a little bit. |
| 01:42.04 | bob2 | htedrom: that's the default |
| 01:42.07 | nvz | its actually not porn.. the chic is a model, but she doesn pose nude.. just likes to tease. |
| 01:42.07 | htedrom | whoop |
| 01:42.08 | htedrom | sorry |
| 01:42.09 | bob2 | htedrom: aka noauto |
| 01:42.10 | htedrom | i see it |
| 01:42.11 | htedrom | yea |
| 01:42.13 | htedrom | thanks |
| 01:42.15 | nvz | pedro420: is reef there yet? |
| 01:42.28 | pedro420 | nVZ: She just got here |
| 01:43.15 | nvz | pedro420: I'll be up as soon as my firefox starts co-operating so I can close it properly |
| 01:43.42 | scarynetworkguy | TyreseJones: skolelinux isn't Debian. Oddly enough if it was it would be called Debian and not skolelinux. Cool how this whole "name" thing works ain't it? So the answer is no there is no way that would work. |
| 01:44.02 | nvz | ah fuck it just got worse |
| 01:44.17 | nvz | its glitching my synergy connection now |
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| 01:44.48 | `Ku | What a good gui for Xwindows |
| 01:44.53 | Led_Zeppelin | what ports do I need to open for exporting DISPLAY? |
| 01:44.58 | TyreseJones | scarynetworkguy, Umm.... skolelinux IS debian, it's debiani for educational institutions, and the mailing list is even on DEBIANs servers, so YES it is debian. |
| 01:44.58 | nvz | `Ku: to do what? |
| 01:45.01 | abrotman | gnome,kde,blackbox,xfce to name a few |
| 01:45.07 | scarynetworkguy | !bsed on |
| 01:45.11 | scarynetworkguy | !based on |
| 01:45.18 | dvs | !debian based |
| 01:45.18 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
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| 01:45.26 | scarynetworkguy | DB7654321: Thanks. |
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| 01:45.34 | abrotman | dvs too |
| 01:45.39 | dvs | :-) |
| 01:45.40 | gravity | TyreseJones: Most people here don't have experience with skolelinux. You should probably ask on a skolelinux specific channel or their lists |
| 01:45.41 | scarynetworkguy | TyreseJones: skilelinux belongs n that list. |
| 01:45.46 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah yeah yeah. |
| 01:46.00 | TyreseJones | scarynetworkguy, It's being developed by debian maintainers |
| 01:46.01 | nvz | I scrached at my leg and now its bleeding like crazy cant get it to stop |
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| 01:46.12 | abrotman | nvz: get the girl across the street to lick it |
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| 01:46.26 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:46.31 | scarynetworkguy | TyreseJones: That doesn't matter. It ain't Debian unless it's called Debian. End of story. |
| 01:46.38 | nvz | abrotman: I'll get prince to lick it |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:46.43 | shamu | nvz: you may have to return the favor at some point, though |
| 01:46.48 | TyreseJones | gravity, I was asking a DEBIAN specific question |
| 01:46.52 | nvz | or should I say princess |
| 01:47.14 | TyreseJones | scarynetworkguy, If it doesn't say debian, then it isn't debian, is that what your telling me? |
| 01:47.18 | gravity | TyreseJones: That's not really a debian-specific question. That's a derived-distro question... |
| 01:47.20 | scarynetworkguy | TyreseJones: Yep. |
| 01:47.34 | TyreseJones | SO, why is it's support channel called DEBIAN-EDU |
| 01:47.35 | nvz | shamu: maybe for the girl next door, not princess |
| 01:47.57 | nite613 | TyreseJones: Just go to that channel, obvioouisly the people here don't want to help you |
| 01:47.59 | scarynetworkguy | TyreseJones: Because you can name a channel anything you want to and it still doesn't mean anything. |
| 01:48.03 | shamu | tyrese: you asking about two debian derivations sharing a package pool? |
| 01:48.07 | gravity | Calm down |
| 01:48.27 | gravity | TyreseJones: Anyway, you'll have better luck on a skolelinux channel. |
| 01:48.29 | TyreseJones | shamu, yes - that's all I asked |
| 01:48.40 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: Is the skilelinux channel really called debian-edu? |
| 01:48.52 | scarynetworkguy | God I can't type tonight to save my life. |
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| 01:49.15 | shamu | tyrese: my suspicion is that *only* if at the project level they've made an effort to make sure that namespace collisions are addressed (i.e., they're not naming their packages in a vacuum), then they can share a pool. But honestly, I suspect nobody here's done that. |
| 01:49.18 | TyreseJones | yes it is called debian-edu @ scarynetworkguy you can go there right now, and check for yourself |
| 01:49.23 | nvz | ok well I think its done bleeding I think its safe to get dressed now without worring about having blood all down my leg.. I should have know if it was itching it was a scab or something |
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| 01:50.04 | TyreseJones | shamu, Thank you, that's what i wanted to know, i had the same suspicion, and i wanted to get some validation to my thoughts |
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| 01:50.22 | shamu | I'd recommend checking ubuntu's repository structure, since they base on debian (aka 'universal') and then add their own repositories on top. |
| 01:50.33 | shamu | but they'd be the ones to say how they did it |
| 01:50.44 | r4m0rs | anyone know emule for debian or knoppix ? |
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| 01:51.06 | scarynetworkguy | shamu: No they can't That is wrong on so many levels it ain't even funny... |
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| 01:51.16 | TyreseJones | scarynetworkguy, So, how was it in the debian-edu channel, you know the thing i told you was debian, and you told me it wasn't?? |
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| 01:51.22 | shamu | you really nede to confirm that with ubuntu, though. debian is the foundation ... I've never dealt with stuff layered on top |
| 01:51.41 | scarynetworkguy | TyreseJones: It still isn't Debian. It's just a really fucking poorly named channel. |
| 01:51.46 | scarynetworkguy | *plonk* |
| 01:51.53 | shamu | wow, he is scary |
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| 01:52.04 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: well |
| 01:52.07 | nvz | I got two identical pairs of shoes.. confuses the hell out of me sometimes |
| 01:52.09 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: :/ |
| 01:52.09 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: yeah, sort of |
| 01:52.17 | TyreseJones | scarynetworkguy, LOL - yeah, i find it hard to admit i'm wrong too! |
| 01:52.33 | abrotman | nvz: cause your name is prince |
| 01:52.34 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: You are a skolelinux dev right? |
| 01:52.39 | shamu | but luckily he knows enough about ubuntu's relationship to debian to tell me that what I'm saying is wrong, so maybe he can correct my guess |
| 01:52.42 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: whois me :P |
| 01:52.47 | nvz | abrotman: its princess, and thats not me |
| 01:52.55 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: Is skolelinux Debian? |
| 01:53.00 | toresbe | TyreseJones: the channel is called #debian-edu because Skolelinux is the only active Debian-edu project, and we're working very closely with debianb |
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| 01:53.08 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: It's a CDD |
| 01:53.11 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: Thank you. :) |
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| 01:53.27 | TyreseJones | toresbe, DARNIT - I thought i had that argument won! |
| 01:53.28 | Elive_user | anyone know how to put a startup script in enlightenment? |
| 01:53.32 | nvz | abrotman: you are the one who brought prince into the conversation today anyhow |
| 01:53.38 | Elive_user | whenever i login? |
| 01:53.46 | toresbe | heh |
| 01:53.46 | abrotman | nvz: because you're prince! |
| 01:53.53 | litage | why are locales being mentioned when i try to remove a package? i've never used locales before: http://rafb.net/paste/results/YuTrwQ73.html |
| 01:53.55 | toresbe | you can't win an argument with the scary network guy |
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| 01:53.59 | Elive_user | or can i put gnome-settings-daemon in init? |
| 01:53.59 | nvz | yeah whatever.. keep dreaming :P |
| 01:54.04 | toresbe | if you're right, he'll choke you with TP cables |
| 01:54.12 | toresbe | that's why he's the scary network guy |
| 01:54.22 | toresbe | anyway |
| 01:54.58 | toresbe | #skolelinux and #debian-edu are the multilingual but mostly Norwegian, and English support channels, respectively |
| 01:55.17 | toresbe | You're more likely to get help at a time when Norwegians are awake |
| 01:55.20 | toresbe | 03:55 < toresbe> You're more likely to get help at a time when Norwegians are awake |
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| 01:55.53 | abrotman | toresbe: why are you pasting messages to yourself? |
| 01:56.01 | toresbe | to show the timezone |
| 01:56.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:56.21 | abrotman | and that toresbe has nothing better to do at 4am :) |
| 01:56.32 | toresbe | actually, I do, just checking up on red windows from time to tiem |
| 01:56.38 | dvs | sleep? bah! Who needs it? |
| 01:56.46 | toresbe | abrotman: btw, I hate myself |
| 01:56.59 | abrotman | toresbe: because you're so good looking ? |
| 01:57.04 | toresbe | that too |
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| 01:57.07 | toresbe | abrotman: I wrote a while loop to poll the lock |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | toresbe: nothing wrong with that ... |
| 01:57.16 | shamu | don't hate you because you're beautiful |
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| 01:57.22 | vagabund | hm - timezones - its a mess |
| 01:57.25 | abrotman | toresbe: how else do you think people do it ? |
| 01:57.26 | toresbe | abrotman: and I find out that PHP flock() blocks on flocks :P |
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| 01:57.52 | Shadda | Hey, don't suppose anyone is familiar with the module-assistant package? |
| 01:57.56 | abrotman | toresbe: sounds like a cock block |
| 01:58.06 | Shadda | I run module-assistant prepare, and it tries to download Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.4-1-386 |
| 01:58.09 | Shadda | er |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | Shadda: uname -a |
| 01:58.25 | Shadda | damn clipboard. It tries to download the 2.4.27-1-386 headers |
| 01:58.29 | Shadda | I'm running that kernel |
| 01:58.40 | Shadda | but that version is no longer available from apt-get it seems... |
| 01:58.42 | vorlon | Shadda: you're running an obsolete kernel, please upgrade it |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | that's the kernel in sarge |
| 01:58.52 | Shadda | I have the 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:58.57 | vorlon | abrotman: no, it's not. |
| 01:59.09 | Shadda | This is an almost brand new install of sarge actually |
| 01:59.17 | shamu | hy aren't you running 2.6.8, btw? |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | vorlon: i just read the first part of it |
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| 01:59.52 | vorlon | Shadda: ok, then where does it get 2.4.27-1-386? Something on your system must have this version, or you must be telling m-a to build for that version; and there are no kernels of that version in sarge |
| 01:59.54 | Shadda | Upgrading your kernel is the sort of thing people who know how to upgrade kernels do :) |
| 02:00.01 | scarynetworkguy | TyreseJones: I was never mad at you. If I was mad there would be ninjas at your door. I just believe in education in the fastest manner possible. :) |
| 02:00.01 | abrotman | Shadda: apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.4 |
| 02:00.17 | Shadda | abrotman, did that. E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.4-1-386 |
| 02:00.25 | Shadda | but i have installed the 2.4.-1-386 headers |
| 02:00.28 | Shadda | er |
| 02:00.32 | Shadda | -2-, damn I can't type today |
| 02:00.58 | abrotman | Shadda: apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.4 |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | Shadda: don't install anything .. just search |
| 02:01.16 | abrotman | Shadda: did you pick an http source? |
| 02:01.47 | Shadda | abrotman, right, I meant that I had run apt-cache search, and all I managed to find was the 2nd version of it |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman | Shadda: uname -a .. and paste it here |
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| 02:02.06 | abrotman | should be just one line |
| 02:02.10 | concept10 | how do I check to see when the last time a system was booted |
| 02:02.11 | Shadda | Linux Gluttony 2.4.27-1-386 #1 Wed Dec 1 19:43:08 JST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 02:02.30 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 sarge |
| 02:02.33 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on 386), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 10785 kB, Installed size: 28984 kB |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | Shadda: install that kernle |
| 02:02.46 | Shadda | k, will do |
| 02:02.46 | Shadda | thanks |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | Shadda: wait |
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| 02:02.55 | abrotman | Shadda: which CPU ? |
| 02:03.02 | urandom | concept10: try uptime |
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| 02:03.13 | Shadda | It's a p3 455mhz I've scrapped into a router/dev box |
| 02:03.32 | joeyh | concept10: "last reboot" # nice when unix is clear, no? |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | Shadda: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686 |
| 02:03.39 | Shadda | aye, just did |
| 02:03.50 | m2 | concept10: "last reboot" |
| 02:04.06 | concept10 | Thanks. |
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| 02:04.11 | toresbe | last reboot |
| 02:04.13 | toresbe | oops |
| 02:04.23 | toresbe | wtmp begins Thu Sep 1 13:37:25 2005 |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | there's a 455Mhz ? |
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| 02:04.27 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:04.31 | toresbe | the scriptie in me is chortling |
| 02:04.33 | m2 | three votes for that, it must be right. |
| 02:04.36 | Shadda | oddly enough, yes :) |
| 02:04.42 | m2 | lovely democracy. |
| 02:04.46 | Shadda | I have a laptop that's a 755, too |
| 02:05.10 | cafuego | abrotman: 450 with rounding |
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| 02:05.21 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:05.27 | abrotman | there is no 455 |
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| 02:06.19 | abrotman | 471.3? |
| 02:06.41 | cafuego | 3.5 * 133 MHz? |
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| 02:10.45 | litage | where does debian set the LANG and LANGUAGE env vars? |
| 02:11.03 | echobucket | I'm using sarge and having trouble with mss clamping and setting the mtu with pppoe... no matter what I do the MTU of the ppp0 ends up 1492, and I need it to be 1412.... anyone had an experience with this kind of problem? |
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| 02:11.46 | zinx | guh, any ops want to ban the spambot again? |
| 02:12.14 | TraceGreen | Hello, i want to compress *.c files in all directories to a packet, and when i discompress this packet, all *.c files can go back to original directories, how can i do that? |
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| 02:12.19 | yzrider088 | What is the command to check what programs at ran at different runlevels. I know that i starts with "check" |
| 02:12.29 | echobucket | I mean, I can ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1412 after the link is up, but I can't figure out why it's not reading the /etc/ppp/options file |
| 02:12.44 | echobucket | it's like 1492 is hardcoded somewhere. |
| 02:13.05 | bob2 | TraceGreen: with tar |
| 02:13.23 | m2 | TraceGreen: find -name \*.c -print0 | tar --null -cvTf file.tar |
| 02:13.29 | yzrider088 | echobucket switch the 4 and the 9 |
| 02:13.32 | yzrider088 | you get 1942 |
| 02:13.36 | yzrider088 | world war I |
| 02:13.37 | yzrider088 | II |
| 02:14.39 | shamu | but in fourteen hundred and ninety-two, columbus sailed the ocean blue |
| 02:14.41 | echobucket | and 1492 columbus sailed the ocean blue |
| 02:14.45 | echobucket | beaten |
| 02:14.48 | shamu | meaning: your timezone is set for either Spain or America |
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| 02:14.59 | echobucket | but this doesn't help my MTU problem ;) |
| 02:15.03 | echobucket | cute though it is. |
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| 02:15.16 | echobucket | stupid bankofamerica.com is the site I'm having issues with |
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| 02:15.19 | shamu | Hmm ... maybe it's, in 1492 debian set your MTU |
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| 02:15.41 | echobucket | anyone else use sarge for a pppoe router? |
| 02:15.47 | midg3t | I have a list of files in a text file. What command can I use to remove all the files named in the text file? |
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| 02:16.01 | shamu | midg3t: rm -rf / |
| 02:16.01 | echobucket | rm -v `cat file.txt` |
| 02:16.13 | yzrider088 | rm -fr / is a good command |
| 02:16.18 | yzrider088 | use it midg3t |
| 02:16.32 | yzrider088 | notice shamu didnt use the redundant * that most linux n00bs use |
| 02:16.37 | echobucket | heh |
| 02:16.41 | yzrider088 | therefore he knows what hes talking about, run that command! |
| 02:16.52 | shamu | yeah, sure why not |
| 02:16.57 | shamu | actually, I'd recommend the following instead: |
| 02:16.57 | echobucket | cat file.txt | xargs rm -v |
| 02:16.59 | bob2 | echobucket: I did |
| 02:17.02 | echobucket | woo, xargs. |
| 02:17.14 | shamu | mkdir /tmp/poop |
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| 02:17.17 | shamu | mv `cat file.txt` /tmp/poop |
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| 02:17.43 | shamu | that'll move them all there rather than removing them. That way if you screw up, you can fix it. |
| 02:17.49 | echobucket | bob2, you stopped using sarge for a router? |
| 02:17.59 | midg3t | thanks echobucket |
| 02:18.00 | yzrider088 | L00T |
| 02:18.07 | midg3t | no thanks to everyone who is trying to get me to hose my system |
| 02:18.07 | yzrider088 | ARSE! |
| 02:18.09 | bob2 | echobucket: yes, now my shitty d-link modem does it |
| 02:18.16 | bob2 | which is great, since it blackholed 192/8 |
| 02:18.24 | yzrider088 | na rm -fr / doesnt hose your system |
| 02:18.26 | yzrider088 | just makes it run faster |
| 02:18.30 | bob2 | shamu: you will not be warned again |
| 02:18.32 | bob2 | yzrider088: you too |
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| 02:18.38 | midg3t | i'm already trying to hose it by switching to debian from ubuntu by using a dist-upgrade |
| 02:18.39 | yzrider088 | i will not be warned again |
| 02:18.40 | yzrider088 | ok |
| 02:18.42 | yzrider088 | well |
| 02:18.52 | yzrider088 | there is a delay between when you go normal to op |
| 02:18.52 | echobucket | bob2, I just don't want to do all the port forwarding crap in order to run my server |
| 02:18.59 | yzrider088 | so when i see that happening ill just exit ;) |
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| 02:19.12 | yzrider088 | llalalla try to ban me ill leave before u can kick me :) |
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| 02:19.26 | bob2 | echobucket: fair enough |
| 02:19.29 | echobucket | I just hate when stuff gets set "magically" and doesn't appear in any conf files |
| 02:19.30 | shamu | hey, he asked how to remove all hte files in that file.txt -- my answer would work |
| 02:19.56 | echobucket | Shadda, but that was a BOFH answer. |
| 02:20.04 | TraceGreen | bob2, when i try: sudo find / -name '*.c' -print0 | tar -czvf c.tar.gz, system told me: tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive |
| 02:20.05 | shamu | midg3t: use the 'mv' command I mentioned. That'll give you a safety net |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | bob2: i think you won |
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| 02:20.51 | echobucket | I guess I can use my recently hacked Speedstream 5200 as a router.. but I'd rather not. :( |
| 02:21.02 | ngmlinux | What's the debian installation process like? |
| 02:21.07 | bob2 | ngmlinux: simple |
| 02:21.15 | Agrajag- | if "file" tells me a certain .o file is "Mach-O object ppc" - that means it's for a ppc processor right? |
| 02:21.16 | bob2 | echobucket: why don't you just let sarge do pppoe? |
| 02:21.22 | echobucket | I should send an email to bankofamerica.com complaining about thier crappy server |
| 02:21.30 | abrotman | ngmlinux: sarge is fairly easy |
| 02:21.30 | midg3t | shamu: cheers |
| 02:21.36 | echobucket | bob2, I did, but it sets the MTU to 1492. |
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| 02:21.43 | bob2 | echobucket: so set it lower |
| 02:21.45 | echobucket | and I need it set lower to make bankofamerica.com work :P |
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| 02:21.50 | bob2 | echobucket: sudo ifconfig eth0 mtu 1400 |
| 02:21.53 | echobucket | bob2, I set it lower in /etc/ppp/options |
| 02:21.54 | bob2 | trivial |
| 02:21.55 | shamu | midg3t: hope that works |
| 02:22.04 | echobucket | bob2, it's ignoring that. |
| 02:22.14 | bob2 | echobucket: then ignore it back and set it with ifconfig |
| 02:22.20 | bob2 | if that works, then you figure out how to automate it |
| 02:22.27 | echobucket | bob2, yeah, and I guess file a bug :P |
| 02:22.30 | bob2 | Agrajag-: probably |
| 02:22.37 | echobucket | damn |
| 02:22.37 | shamu | midg3t: I presonally just move everything on / to /tmp when I want to delete it, rather than using rm |
| 02:22.37 | bob2 | Agrajag-: file could be confused |
| 02:22.47 | deadcat | how do i watch tv with mplayer? |
| 02:22.47 | echobucket | it's still not working even with MTU set to 1412 |
| 02:22.51 | shamu | really fast for big directories, and they all get wiped on reboot anyway |
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| 02:22.59 | echobucket | gawd pppoe sucks arse |
| 02:23.10 | echobucket | why can't they just use DHCP!!! |
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| 02:23.43 | bob2 | why do you think MTU is the issue? |
| 02:24.15 | echobucket | okay, I had it working with the command line pppoe program, adding the mtu on the command line. |
| 02:24.28 | echobucket | but I nuked that config because redialing wasn't working reliably |
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| 02:24.41 | echobucket | and the default config uses this rp-pppoe.so module. |
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| 02:24.53 | echobucket | and that's the thing that won't let me set the MTU correctly |
| 02:24.59 | shamu | ok hold on |
| 02:25.05 | shamu | you're running pppoe, not ppp, right? |
| 02:25.09 | echobucket | yes |
| 02:25.21 | shamu | from the ip masquerade howto: |
| 02:25.21 | shamu | To change the MTU issue on a PPP (not PPPoE) Internet link, edit your "/etc/ppp/options" file and towards the top, add the following text on two seperate lines, add: |
| 02:25.29 | shamu | mtu 1500 |
| 02:25.31 | shamu | mru 1500 |
| 02:25.39 | echobucket | 1500? |
| 02:25.41 | shamu | http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/mtu-issues.html |
| 02:25.42 | bob2 | echobucket: so, you set it uing ifconfig, and you checked the change stuck? |
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| 02:25.57 | shamu | read the full sentence, then visit that url and see section 7.15.3 |
| 02:26.40 | echobucket | shamu, problem.. it talks about pppoe.conf.. and there ain't one |
| 02:27.42 | echobucket | plus, that seems to indicate I have to change the MTU on ALL of my machines behind the nat. |
| 02:27.47 | echobucket | that seems silly |
| 02:27.47 | tonka | sorry if there is an answer but I can't find it, can someone link me for the fix to the SATA ICH5 blocked CDrom access after install? |
| 02:28.02 | shamu | well, according to that sentence, your pppoe connection won't honor /etc/ppp/options ... so I guess you need to create /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf |
| 02:28.27 | bob2 | echobucket: have you answered my question? |
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| 02:28.33 | echobucket | Yeah, I tried that. and it ignored that too |
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| 02:28.46 | echobucket | bob2, I set it with ifconfig... and my banking site is still not working |
| 02:28.47 | shamu | bob2 demands an answer! |
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| 02:29.39 | vorlon | echobucket: you don't have to, but you end up with excess packet fragmentation if you have machines sending large ethernet packets that get routed over pppoe |
| 02:30.13 | echobucket | vorlon, I just want the know the best way to set all of this :( |
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| 02:30.55 | Sabaal | Hi all. Just got sent here trying to fix an error. Warning: I'm a complete Linux noob. |
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| 02:31.27 | shamu | sabaal: please submit the standard payment of $5 via paypal, then. I'll give you the address. |
| 02:31.41 | vorlon | shamu: not funny. |
| 02:31.50 | tonka | heh |
| 02:31.53 | shamu | sigh. Ok, what's the error |
| 02:31.55 | Sabaal | vorlon: What? I thought it was. :P |
| 02:32.00 | Sabaal | Lemme dig it up... |
| 02:32.04 | echobucket | Sep 6 21:31:44 www pppd[10408]: Couldn't increase MTU to 1500 |
| 02:32.04 | echobucket | Sep 6 21:31:44 www pppd[10408]: Couldn't increase MRU to 1500 |
| 02:32.07 | echobucket | nice. |
| 02:32.11 | Sabaal | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 02:32.12 | Sabaal | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 02:32.21 | gravity | Hrm... that's twice in one night |
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| 02:32.38 | shamu | thrice -- grendel_prime, someone else and now |
| 02:32.39 | vorlon | Sabaal: is this a woody system? |
| 02:32.43 | echobucket | ifconfig still shows ppp0 with an MTU of 1492 |
| 02:32.47 | midg3t | shamu: in the end i deleted it because i had to prepend some text to each line and had been fiddling with sed enough already |
| 02:33.19 | Sabaal | vorlon: Not sure what that means. Where can I go to check? |
| 02:33.23 | shamu | midg3t: gotcha |
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| 02:33.35 | echobucket | I've got the iptables rule to clamp the mss too. |
| 02:33.54 | gravity | oy |
| 02:33.59 | vorlon | Sabaal: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:34.36 | Sabaal | Says testing/unstable. The hell? |
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| 02:35.01 | bob2 | echobucket: why do you think MTU is the issue? does setting it with ifconfig actually change the mtu returned by ifconfig? |
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| 02:35.20 | vorlon | Sabaal: ok, let me ask this a different way, then. What does 'dpkg -l e2fsprogs sysvinit libc6' say? |
| 02:35.31 | shamu | yeah ... could it be ... what was that thing -- tcp ecn instead? |
| 02:35.34 | echobucket | bob2, I know that it is MTU related, because I had this working previously with the pppoe command line client |
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| 02:35.46 | tonka | Let me rephrase, is ther a fix for the SATA ICH5 blocked CDrom after a complete install?? :O |
| 02:35.48 | echobucket | you know, with pty pppoe -M 1412 -T 80 -I eth0 |
| 02:35.59 | bob2 | tonka: is there a bug report in the BTS? |
| 02:36.07 | tonka | yup |
| 02:36.18 | tonka | just wondering about a work around |
| 02:36.28 | bob2 | if there was, it'd probably be followed up to the report |
| 02:36.33 | tonka | maybe the correct kernel compile settings? |
| 02:36.34 | Sabaal | vorlon: Wow, so confused. |
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| 02:36.38 | Sabaal | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 02:36.40 | Sabaal | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 02:36.41 | Sabaal | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 02:36.43 | Sabaal | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 02:36.45 | Sabaal | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 02:36.46 | Sabaal | ii e2fsprogs 1.35-5 The EXT2 file system utilities and libraries |
| 02:36.48 | Sabaal | ii sysvinit 2.85-15 System-V like init |
| 02:36.49 | Sabaal | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 02:37.05 | tonka | bob2 hope springs eternal you know :D |
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| 02:37.55 | mentor | Sabaal: Please read the topic and guidelines; flooding isn't very friendly. |
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| 02:38.04 | echobucket | I also, lost my config files that used the pty command |
| 02:38.26 | Sabaal | mentor: Yeah, I didn't quite get that. "Flooding", I mean. |
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| 02:38.55 | mentor | Sabaal: You didn't know what flooding meant? Do you know now? :) |
| 02:39.04 | anneka | hello |
| 02:39.09 | vorlon | Sabaal: you're running an ancient version of sysvinit that predates the version that shipped with sarge. Please install the stable version of sysvinit, then you should be able to upgrade from there. |
| 02:39.14 | shamu | sabaal: by the way, this is a known bug (325834). |
| 02:39.22 | tonka | wait let me read back several lines ! :D |
| 02:39.24 | Sabaal | Wonderful. |
| 02:39.35 | gravity | Why does that happen? Upgrades from woody without reading the release notes? |
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| 02:39.57 | bob2 | use of apt-get install against sarge, I'd think |
| 02:40.01 | Sabaal | Well, any links I can use? I'm really very clueless. |
| 02:40.05 | gravity | Ah |
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| 02:40.15 | anneka | i dont think we should be talking about flooding in this way, with new orleans stil being under water, mentor |
| 02:40.21 | bob2 | Sabaal: sudo apt-get install sysvinit |
| 02:40.29 | gravity | anneka: I hope you're kidding |
| 02:40.34 | vorlon | gravity: people running testing and not bothering to dist-upgrade for TWO YEARS |
| 02:40.34 | matthew_w | When I download a package with synaptic, and then install it, or uninstall it etc. where are the temporary downloaded files get stored? |
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| 02:40.40 | gravity | vorlon: Ah, cute |
| 02:40.46 | mentor | anneka: I dont' really want to bring politics into it. |
| 02:40.53 | bob2 | matthew_w: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 02:40.56 | gravity | Why does it surprise me that that happens? It really shouldn't |
| 02:40.58 | agnes | hey all! could somebody try to telnet to port 25 on my server? (65.95.185.221) |
| 02:41.11 | Sabaal | bob2: From command line? |
| 02:41.21 | bob2 | Sabaal: yes |
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| 02:41.35 | matthew_w | bob2; can I delete those, safely? |
| 02:41.37 | mentor | anneka: But I can think of much more important things to be concerned about than the natural disaster in the USA. |
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| 02:41.52 | Sabaal | bob2: It's giving me "No such file or directory". |
| 02:42.06 | vorlon | bob2: I think that will need to be apt-get install -t stable sysvinit, though? |
| 02:42.12 | anneka | Yeah, okay. |
| 02:42.20 | bob2 | matthew_w: as logn as something isn't using them, but 'sudo apt-get clean' or autoclean will be handy |
| 02:42.22 | concept10 | mentor: there isnt anything else more important. oops |
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| 02:43.19 | astro | is there a way to use the latest madwifi drivers with debian-installer? |
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| 02:43.35 | bob2 | vorlon: I missed the bit where Sabaal mentioned what apt was pointed at, I think |
| 02:43.38 | gravity | astro: Custom build it baby |
| 02:43.43 | liable | ooh, spikes.. |
| 02:43.43 | Shadda | ok, back to what I was doing earlier...I installed the kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 package |
| 02:43.50 | astro | gravity: ouch :-/ |
| 02:43.58 | Shadda | module-assistant still looks for 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 02:44.07 | vorlon | bob2: the error in question only happens when trying to upgrade to the e2fsprogs in sid |
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| 02:44.13 | bob2 | Sabaal: perhaps you don't have sudo installed then |
| 02:44.18 | gravity | astro: I don't think it's really that hard. Check wiki.debian.net for info on how to do it, I think |
| 02:44.20 | astro | gravity: is madwifi a seperate package? |
| 02:44.23 | bob2 | Sabaal: run what vorlon suggested |
| 02:44.24 | gravity | astro: I believe so |
| 02:44.24 | matthew_w | And, unlike windows, it won't leave crappy config files etc. when I download, install, then uninstall a program etc. will it? |
| 02:44.28 | liable | astro: your wifi is the only internet interface? |
| 02:44.29 | bob2 | vorlon: ah... |
| 02:44.38 | astro | liable: friend, not i |
| 02:44.38 | bob2 | the thing doogie complained about? |
| 02:44.54 | bob2 | matthew_w: it will if you uninstall it, not if you purge it |
| 02:44.55 | astro | my laptop i put ubunutu cause debian x didn't like it (sorry gravity, i wanted sarge) |
| 02:45.02 | Jj | why does debian want to install gcc4 when i install centericq? |
| 02:45.06 | astro | and my laptop doesn't do wep |
| 02:45.06 | Jj | http://rafb.net/paste/results/VpAKxY28.html |
| 02:45.06 | shamu | matthew_w: it won't, no |
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| 02:45.10 | astro | i may use the xorg backport |
| 02:45.13 | vorlon | bob2: yep, that's the one |
| 02:45.14 | Jj | im getting that |
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| 02:45.15 | shamu | all the config files it leaves behind are very nice. |
| 02:45.16 | gravity | I didn't work on X at all until the very tail end of sarge's release |
| 02:45.16 | matthew_w | bob2; explain purge? |
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| 02:45.26 | bob2 | matthew_w: purge = remove this package, and it's config files |
| 02:45.27 | gravity | I've never really laid serious hands on the xfree86 packages |
| 02:45.35 | Sabaal | bob2: It's giving me the same error message now. |
| 02:45.40 | Jj | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 02:45.41 | gravity | Unless you count my botched security upload |
| 02:45.41 | Sabaal | My original one, I mean. |
| 02:45.45 | bob2 | Sabaal: which is... |
| 02:45.47 | bob2 | haha |
| 02:45.57 | astro | gravity: right |
| 02:45.58 | matthew_w | Oh! |
| 02:46.01 | matthew_w | ok, cool. |
| 02:46.05 | Jj | i only want centericq :-/ |
| 02:46.05 | matthew_w | Thanks. *slaps head* duh :P |
| 02:46.05 | astro | i think it's xorg vs. xfree |
| 02:46.06 | bob2 | "Hi, I use sid but don't know what dist-upgrade is." |
| 02:46.21 | shamu | matthew_w: 'man apt-get' for info on the --purge option to 'remove' |
| 02:46.36 | ngmlinux | abrotman, any complex setup of scratch disks and such or is it a nice wizard like FC? |
| 02:46.41 | Sabaal | bob2: That big ol' long one that I got scoled about for flooding. :P |
| 02:46.43 | gravity | bob2: I barely know what it is. I've never run it :-) |
| 02:46.50 | abrotman | ngmlinux: for what? |
| 02:46.56 | ngmlinux | installing sarge |
| 02:47.04 | rukos | anyone know why my harddrives would be getting set to udma2 when they support udma5? (I have AMD and VIA chipset support built into the kernel and that's what's on my motherboard.) |
| 02:47.05 | abrotman | what is a scratch disk? |
| 02:47.13 | vorlon | bob2: well, at least now we know doogie has lots of company for this error, hmm? |
| 02:47.16 | bob2 | hehe |
| 02:47.42 | abrotman | i think etch is messed up |
| 02:47.43 | shamu | +nice wizard like FC? |
| 02:47.43 | shamu | <Sabaal> bob2: That big ol' long one that I got scoled about for flooding. :P |
| 02:47.43 | shamu | <gravity> bob2: I barely know what it is. I've never run it :-) |
| 02:47.43 | shamu | * gravity is very proud of that |
| 02:47.43 | shamu | <abrotman> ngmlinux: for what? |
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| 02:47.48 | abrotman | hahah |
| 02:47.55 | astro | !kernel |
| 02:47.58 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13, snapshot: 2.6.13-git6, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-mm1 |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | ngmlinux: wizard to install sarge? |
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| 02:48.11 | Plazma | !gazpacho |
| 02:48.11 | dpkg | gazpacho is, like, A fresh new GUI builder for the GTK+ toolkit designed to be ultra easy to use: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ or see <glade> |
| 02:48.12 | gravity | wtf |
| 02:48.18 | astro | hmm |
| 02:48.22 | astro | apt-cache search madwifi shows nothing |
| 02:48.26 | abrotman | nfc .. people do weird stuff in #debian |
| 02:48.28 | matthew_w | Ok good - how about TCP/IP settings, how can I tweak those so my eth0 goes faster, because it's a little sluggish. |
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| 02:48.42 | bob2 | Sabaal: Jj point apt at stable. run 'sudo apt-get -t stable install sysvinit'. point apt at sid, continue life. |
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| 02:48.56 | shamu | damn terminal emulator |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | ngmlinux: do i get a hint? |
| 02:49.05 | shamu | sorry, that won't happen again |
| 02:49.05 | Plazma | anyone in here ever use gazpacho for the gui building? |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | Plazma: yes .. for 2 minutes :) |
| 02:49.13 | nicoAMG | Hello. I need help to setup Debian on a laptop computer. |
| 02:49.16 | ngmlinux | yes, abrotman, is the sarge installation graphical or is it complex and non-self explanitory? |
| 02:49.17 | gravity | Isn't gazpacho like brand freakin' new? |
| 02:49.22 | Jj | bob2: what does that do? |
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| 02:49.28 | Plazma | abrotman, is it good with python? |
| 02:49.29 | gravity | ngmlinux: Neither |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | ngmlinux: i think it's easy .. it's not in GTK |
| 02:49.34 | Jj | im running sid, but i havent upgraded in ages |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | Plazma: uhm .. not sure ... |
| 02:49.40 | bob2 | Jj: that fixes the problem caused by you using sid without dist-upgrade'ing since 2003 |
| 02:49.47 | abrotman | Plazma: it's packaged . you can just try it :) |
| 02:49.48 | Jj | hahaaha |
| 02:49.52 | gravity | 2003 was a good year :-) |
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| 02:50.01 | gravity | Vintage sysvinit :-) |
| 02:50.02 | Plazma | abrotman, yea true.. not on a native linux box though.. have to deal with vmware's sluggishness |
| 02:50.03 | Jj | good year for dis-upgrades :) |
| 02:50.05 | jay_ | I have a webcam w/ built in mic. The webcam works, but I can't figure out what /dev the mic got assigned to. Is there an easy way to find out? |
| 02:50.10 | abrotman | gravity: you got your driver's license? |
| 02:50.13 | ngmlinux | well is it like installing slackware where everythings done at a command line or like FC where you basically just hit next like a winblows install? |
| 02:50.17 | gravity | abrotman: I wish!@ |
| 02:50.25 | bob2 | ngmlinux: why don't you just try it? |
| 02:50.30 | mentor | Sabaal: We do have to keep the noise down somewhat... |
| 02:50.37 | Sabaal | bob2: I'm a big-time noob. I'm not sure how to "point apt at" this-or-that. Sorry. :( |
| 02:50.37 | abrotman | !d-i ngmlinux |
| 02:50.38 | dpkg | ngmlinux, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:50.39 | bob2 | ngmlinux: and it walks you through a few questions and then you have a debian system |
| 02:50.41 | Jj | i stillget the error |
| 02:50.45 | bob2 | Sabaal: why on earth are you using sid? |
| 02:50.45 | Plazma | !sid |
| 02:50.45 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 02:50.47 | Jj | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 02:50.52 | liable | guh, first upgrade for two weeks, 190M, should be fun.. |
| 02:50.53 | shamu | ngmlinux: check out linux-laptops.net and tuxmobil.net too |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:51.09 | Sabaal | bob2: I have no idea what that means. |
| 02:51.11 | Lilldude | liable |
| 02:51.12 | Plazma | haha @ toystory.. i want to watch that movie again |
| 02:51.17 | liable | Lilldude: |
| 02:51.21 | bob2 | Sabaal: who installed Debian on your machine? |
| 02:51.29 | shamu | ngmlinux: sorry, linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org (doh) |
| 02:51.34 | Plazma | my luck wiht SID so far has been tremendously good, very rock stable for me |
| 02:51.42 | gravity | Plazma: Not SID. sid. |
| 02:51.42 | Lilldude | chck msg liable |
| 02:51.43 | Sabaal | Me. From a Morphix LiveCD. It was the only thing I could understand. |
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| 02:51.54 | Jj | the thing is that without sid it would take ages to try new stuff :-/ |
| 02:52.01 | gravity | So morphix now installs testing/unstable? Great. |
| 02:52.07 | bob2 | ha ha ha ha ha |
| 02:52.11 | Sabaal | It was probably outdated. |
| 02:52.13 | Shadda | ok so... |
| 02:52.15 | Plazma | gravity, ok my luck with sid has been tremendously successful :D |
| 02:52.18 | mentor | Plazma: It's the name of a character from Toy Story :) |
| 02:52.22 | bob2 | so, you're using morphix, and you're boned |
| 02:52.24 | vorlon | gravity: well, or testing/unstable from 2003...? |
| 02:52.29 | gravity | "Just when you thought kanotix was bad... REVENGE OF TEH MORPHIX!" |
| 02:52.29 | Shadda | I'm running the 2.4.27-1-386 kernel |
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| 02:52.37 | mentor | Hang on. |
| 02:52.41 | mentor | We were already therel. |
| 02:52.43 | gravity | vorlon: Even worse... damn it |
| 02:52.46 | Plazma | mentor, i see that now.. thats pretty interesting |
| 02:52.47 | Jj | actually i switched that box to sid only cause i wanted the latest centericq |
| 02:52.51 | bob2 | Sabaal: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 02:52.59 | Shadda | I can't get the headers for this kernel anymore, and I was told to install the 2.4.27-2-386 kernel-image |
| 02:53.00 | vorlon | Jj: you can't switch it to sid until you've first upgraded to sarge. |
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| 02:53.00 | Shadda | Which I did |
| 02:53.02 | mentor | Plazma: Sorry, redundant helpfulness. :p |
| 02:53.03 | bob2 | Jj: upgrading to sarge, then sid is probably the simplest solution |
| 02:53.10 | Plazma | mentor.. no worries.. good to have peeps like you |
| 02:53.11 | Shadda | But, I'm an idiot, and I don't know where to go from here |
| 02:53.17 | shamu | shouldn't it be sarge, then etch, then sid? |
| 02:53.17 | nicoAMG | The installer desn't detect the PCMCIA network adapter. I have Debian 3.1r0a binary 1 CD, when the installer goes to Base system setup, i tries to access the Internet. |
| 02:53.25 | Jj | yeah, i should have tried sarge back then |
| 02:53.28 | bob2 | sarge -> sid should be fine |
| 02:53.34 | shamu | or how about just sarge? |
| 02:53.39 | ngmlinux | ok, on linux-laptop.net |
| 02:53.43 | ngmlinux | where am I looking? |
| 02:53.44 | Plazma | i had sarge and went to sid , was pretty easy and painless |
| 02:53.55 | liable | nicoAMG: let it fail, and install from cd, then try and fix the network.. |
| 02:54.16 | shamu | ngmlinux: oh, I was just suggesting you could find your laptop model there and find an 'installation story' to start with |
| 02:54.20 | Lilldude | liable yes i got msg |
| 02:54.27 | nicoAMG | How do i do to setup with cd souces only? |
| 02:54.33 | Sabaal | bob2: /etc/apt/sources.list says "Permission denied." |
| 02:54.34 | Plazma | im very tempted to try sid on this box as my 2nd os, but im still testing it on vmware just to see how it runs.. so far its running excellent |
| 02:54.35 | gravity | Shadda: You probably just want to install sarge and save yourself the pain |
| 02:54.44 | Jj | i better try to fix that later, i cant break the box at the moment |
| 02:54.45 | Shadda | I am running sarge |
| 02:54.48 | shamu | Shadda: what gravity said |
| 02:54.49 | Shadda | a fairly recent install |
| 02:54.50 | bob2 | Sabaal: I didn't say to run it |
| 02:54.50 | Jj | thanks anyway :D |
| 02:54.57 | bob2 | Sabaal: I asked you to show us the contents of it |
| 02:55.12 | Sabaal | bob2: I'm so damn confused... |
| 02:55.15 | gravity | Shadda: Ugh... sorry. Wrong nick. |
| 02:55.15 | Shadda | gravity, I installed sarge just a few months ago |
| 02:55.19 | Shadda | ah |
| 02:55.27 | Shadda | well, any thoughts on my problem? :) |
| 02:55.30 | gravity | Sabaal: You probably just want to install sarge. |
| 02:55.34 | Plazma | sarge didn't have x.org in its sources' did it? |
| 02:55.35 | bob2 | Sabaal: reinstalling sarge might be simpler for you, then |
| 02:55.41 | gravity | Shadda: Sorry. |
| 02:55.43 | liable | Plazma: no |
| 02:55.48 | nvz | gravity: do you have a car? |
| 02:55.51 | nicoAMG | liable: How do i do to setup with cd packeges only? |
| 02:55.51 | Plazma | didn't think so |
| 02:55.52 | gravity | nvz: Heh, no. |
| 02:55.56 | shamu | plazma: x.org isn't available in sarge |
| 02:55.57 | Shadda | after installing the kernel image...what now? |
| 02:56.04 | Sabaal | bob2: I imagine so. Mind pointing me in that direction? |
| 02:56.04 | gravity | There's a sarge backport if you want it |
| 02:56.12 | nvz | gravity: well as I found out when I came back from texas and got a new lisc you cant just put wheels on it and drive it around |
| 02:56.15 | Plazma | how difficult is the sarge backport? ive heard of this |
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| 02:56.17 | liable | nicoAMG: if network detection fails, it will just use the cd (if its iso1) |
| 02:56.18 | ngmlinux | oh ok i found that nice |
| 02:56.18 | bob2 | Sabaal: www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 02:56.22 | vorlon | shamu: stable->unstable is always supported, to the extent that unstable itself is working at any given time. But pre-stable (or oldstable) -> unstable is not supported, so if it breaks you keep both pieces. |
| 02:56.25 | ngmlinux | full of bugs lol |
| 02:56.29 | ngmlinux | on the install |
| 02:56.30 | shamu | I'm runnning the sarge backpoirt of x.org; it works fine and uses the same config file as xf86config-4 (it's just named xorg.conf now) |
| 02:56.32 | gravity | Plazma: I don't know. I didn't do it. |
| 02:56.41 | Plazma | i just went ahead and went to sid instead to get x.org. works great |
| 02:56.51 | gravity | Glad to hear it |
| 02:56.57 | mentor | gravity: ah-hey-hey kids </Krusty> |
| 02:57.03 | Plazma | im suprised at how much faster it is than xfree was |
| 02:57.06 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:57.19 | vorlon | yeah, you must not be on an alpha <glare> |
| 02:57.19 | shamu | I dunno ... I'm of the opinion if you want unstable stuff, you can pick pretty much any other linux dsitro out there |
| 02:57.19 | Plazma | seems more stable too for some reason, could be just me |
| 02:57.21 | shamu | maybe I'm wrong |
| 02:57.30 | mentor | Plazma: Shiny new software syndrome? |
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| 02:57.46 | gravity | vorlon: Was it elfloader that fucked alpha's speed? |
| 02:57.46 | Plazma | mentor, hehe yea.. wanted to see what the fuss over x.org was |
| 02:58.00 | gravity | Plazma: Did xorg support your card where xfree86 didn't? |
| 02:58.06 | vorlon | gravity: yes, by virtue of eating all of my memory with useless modules |
| 02:58.11 | gravity | Woo |
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| 02:58.15 | Sabaal | bob2: From bittorrent, I'm looking for the highest number (14) to get the newest version? |
| 02:58.19 | Plazma | gravity, oh xfree did, and in vmawre it did, i just wanted to TRY x.org, see how different it was |
| 02:58.20 | gravity | vorlon: You'll love what I'm uploading right this very moment then :-) |
| 02:58.35 | bob2 | Sabaal: no |
| 02:58.38 | vorlon | gravity: hell yeah |
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| 02:58.40 | bob2 | Sabaal: get CD 1 |
| 02:58.41 | gravity | Plazma: Heh. Not that different. The next revision or two will have the good stuff. |
| 02:58.43 | Plazma | well not differnet so to say, but better or worse |
| 02:58.44 | freet15 | Hello guys |
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| 02:58.54 | Plazma | ahh, caught me mistake :D |
| 02:58.58 | Sabaal | bob2: Phew. Almost screwed myself. Thanks. :P |
| 02:59.04 | Plazma | it seems quicker on its feet type thing to me |
| 02:59.06 | nicoAMG | liable: The problem is that: debootstrap error. it can't download sed (validating sed). |
| 02:59.11 | Plazma | seems rockstable too |
| 02:59.29 | Plazma | so i must not be exploiting or exploring sid like most others have in here, cuz it doesnt seem too unstable to me |
| 02:59.30 | liable | nicoAMG: which cd you got? |
| 02:59.42 | litage | does ldap require BDB (Berkely DB)? |
| 03:00.03 | Lilldude | liable my router here lost in warenty of em |
| 03:00.05 | gravity | Plazma: If you don't sit there and upgrade blindly, it'll stay pretty solid for you. Things like apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs make that relatively simple, so long as you actually read what they say every time you upgrade |
| 03:00.06 | ngmlinux | what debian iso's should I use for x86_64 (AMD)? 3.1 r0 or 3.1 r0a? |
| 03:00.12 | Lilldude | so know idea when itll be back |
| 03:00.22 | liable | Lilldude: they lost it? |
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| 03:00.36 | Lilldude | yes |
| 03:00.42 | bob2 | ngmlinux: do not use r0 at all |
| 03:00.47 | Lilldude | it arrived there place and they lost |
| 03:00.47 | myren | litage: no, there's a bunch of backends. |
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| 03:00.50 | liable | Lilldude: that sucks.. |
| 03:00.52 | Shadda | ok, anybody know where I can find the 2.4.27-1-386 headers? |
| 03:00.57 | Shadda | not coming up in package lists |
| 03:00.58 | nicoAMG | liable: i have Debian 3.1r0a Binary 1 CD (x86) |
| 03:01.03 | freet15 | I install Oralce, and got a mistake : "./runinstall and see the DISPLAY is not set!" |
| 03:01.05 | ngmlinux | the only choices are r0 and r0a |
| 03:01.06 | vorlon | litage: not a meaningful question; LDAP is a protocol, it requires nothing except software which speaks the protocol. |
| 03:01.14 | Lilldude | yes it does once they find it il get one new one |
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| 03:01.21 | Plazma | gravity, eh yea i try to read most of stuff before i jump head first, but often times im cuaght jumping in without a lifejacket |
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| 03:01.34 | ngmlinux | ?? |
| 03:01.47 | gravity | Plazma: Well, then you get to learn why things break and how to fix them, which is just as important :-) |
| 03:01.48 | freet15 | How to set the DISPLAY? |
| 03:01.51 | litage | vorlon: yeah true.. |
| 03:01.57 | bob2 | ngmlinux: so, read what I said and use r0a |
| 03:01.59 | gravity | freet15: export DISPLAY=foo |
| 03:02.05 | Lilldude | liable il also have better box for debain |
| 03:02.05 | ngmlinux | ok thanks bob2 |
| 03:02.07 | gravity | freet15: Although startx should set it up for you |
| 03:02.17 | freet15 | locale ?? |
| 03:02.18 | gravity | At least I think it's startx... I should check that |
| 03:02.26 | gravity | uh? |
| 03:02.27 | litage | libdb-4.2 is installed, but when i start slapd, it says: "db4.2_recover not found" how can i fix this? |
| 03:02.42 | ngmlinux | is ia64 compatible with amd and intel 64? |
| 03:02.45 | Plazma | !slapd |
| 03:02.51 | Plazma | dman dpkg didnt know |
| 03:02.54 | freet15 | Ok, i try it ,thanks |
| 03:02.57 | ngmlinux | wait what arch is ia64? |
| 03:03.08 | liable | nicoAMG: when it asks about configuring the network, skip it, and tell it to use the cd. I cant remember exactly when it asks, but its after you choose what you want to install with tasksel.. |
| 03:03.27 | litage | hrm, is dpkg not working right now? |
| 03:03.27 | ngmlinux | is ia64 itanium? |
| 03:03.33 | Plazma | nmglinux, i belive so |
| 03:03.36 | liable | !hi |
| 03:03.36 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 03:03.41 | Plazma | !hi |
| 03:03.45 | Plazma | awww |
| 03:03.50 | ngmlinux | so there's no x86_64 optimized version of debian yet? |
| 03:03.55 | vorlon | litage: db4.2_recover is from the db4.2-utils package |
| 03:04.00 | bob2 | ngmlinux: it's called "amd64" |
| 03:04.05 | vorlon | sorry, db4.2-util |
| 03:04.09 | liable | ia64?? |
| 03:04.19 | Plazma | ia64 is intel's itanium's i believe |
| 03:04.21 | litage | thanks vorlon |
| 03:04.23 | ngmlinux | amd64 is not listed |
| 03:04.25 | liable | isnt that the intell.. |
| 03:04.40 | ngmlinux | i don't think there is an AMD64 port of debian |
| 03:04.40 | bob2 | ngmlinux: /msg apt amd64 |
| 03:04.46 | Plazma | i thought about getting an amd64 for my next upgrade, but now im happy on my dual pIII 1ghz cpus |
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| 03:05.01 | shamu | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 |
| 03:05.10 | Plazma | ngmlinux, i know ubuntu has a amd64 port that is widely supported |
| 03:05.29 | shamu | I think it's based on stable, but was unofficial as it came out after the Sarge release (but I'm not sure) |
| 03:05.57 | gravity | It's about as official as a non-official port can be |
| 03:06.03 | gravity | But yeah, it's not official |
| 03:06.09 | liable | theres even security for it.. |
| 03:06.47 | shamu | I think it's only 'unofficial' because it didn't make a deadline. So maybe you could call it the 'statutorily unofficial' amd64 debian port. |
| 03:06.55 | Plazma | i used to be a slackware fan, i still like slackware, but alot of the people in #slackware are jerkasses |
| 03:07.44 | ngmlinux | shamu, which binary should I be dling? |
| 03:07.50 | shamu | sorry, I dunno |
| 03:07.53 | ngmlinux | is this really a 13 disk distro? |
| 03:08.00 | shamu | the whole thing, yeah |
| 03:08.03 | shamu | or 2 dvds |
| 03:08.03 | liable | 14 |
| 03:08.04 | Plazma | ngmlinux, it can be, just dl the sarge iso, only 100 megs |
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| 03:08.09 | ngmlinux | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:08.15 | shamu | did you visit the url I posted? |
| 03:08.24 | shamu | I don't have any info except what's there |
| 03:08.32 | shamu | you probably want the 'netinst' cd. |
| 03:08.35 | ngmlinux | that's much bigger than even FC4 |
| 03:08.42 | Plazma | yea hte netinst cd is pretty awesome acutally |
| 03:08.47 | Plazma | you pick a good mirror and your ready to go |
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| 03:08.56 | ngmlinux | ok the netinst cd will dl the components selected off the web right? |
| 03:09.03 | bob2 | ngmlinux: yes |
| 03:09.07 | Shadda | ffs...why would they remove all links, all references, anything that even MENTIONED the 2.4.27-1-386 headers? |
| 03:09.13 | ngmlinux | good idea |
| 03:09.21 | Plazma | ngmlinux, it gets a base system setupfirst, then you can apt-get or use aptitude for everything else |
| 03:09.22 | bob2 | ngmlinux: they're all just packages; if you point apt at cd3, it will use it and get the rest from the interweb |
| 03:09.33 | Plazma | all hail the intar web! |
| 03:09.37 | nicoAMG | liable: Virtual console 3 says cp: Read error: input/output error |
| 03:10.35 | liable | nicoAMG: bad media? dunno, never had problems with the install cd.. check the md5's? |
| 03:10.52 | nicoAMG | liable: Seems to be a broken package! sed to be exactly. |
| 03:11.30 | ngmlinux | ok, but that's all prompted durring the install wizard right? |
| 03:12.16 | ngmlinux | hold on, i'm gonna switch to linux on this machien |
| 03:12.18 | Plazma | ngmlinux, all thats prompted is stuff to get you a base system. once thats done your pretty much on your own |
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| 03:12.25 | ngmlinux | brb |
| 03:12.32 | ngmlinux | wonderfull a lot of time to do something simple |
| 03:12.46 | liable | nicoAMG: err, ok, I would be guessing a bad cd probably |
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| 03:13.33 | shamu | nicoamg: after I burn a cd, I always copy off all the contents back onto the hard drive |
| 03:13.47 | shamu | that way I can verify that it can read every byte written to the cd |
| 03:13.53 | nicoAMG | liable: Yes, is a bad cd |
| 03:14.10 | shamu | I do this after 5 years ago losing a friend's only backup of his homedir which was *supposed* to have been written properly |
| 03:14.21 | litage | i just installed slapd, so the directory should be empty. starting slapd takes 2-3 minutes. how can i decrease this? |
| 03:14.31 | shamu | another option is md5sum -cv |
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| 03:14.44 | Sabaal | bob2: Download well under way. Thanks again for putting up with my astoundingly annoying questions. I'm out. |
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| 03:15.18 | liable | wonder how many bug reports I am gonna have to read after not upgrading for two weeks.. :( |
| 03:15.21 | Shadda | This is so annoying... |
| 03:15.41 | nicoAMG | liable: Yes, It's a bad CD.. Can i fix the downloaded iso image or a i need to downlad entire iso again? |
| 03:16.07 | Shadda | I just wanted to install a simple perl script. Then I find out I needed to install a module, which should have been incredibly easy. but of course, I needed the header files for my kernel to prepare the module. Also should have been easy |
| 03:16.17 | Shadda | But wait, debian has removed every trace of those headers |
| 03:16.23 | bob2 | Shadda: er, no |
| 03:16.27 | bob2 | also, stop bitching |
| 03:16.30 | liable | nicoAMG: you can check the md5 of the image.. (before you burn it, then check the cd) all explained in the install guide. |
| 03:16.30 | echobucket | I found a good place to change the mtu. |
| 03:16.31 | bob2 | then go to snapshot.debian.net |
| 03:16.36 | bob2 | while continuing to not bitch |
| 03:16.39 | bob2 | then get the headers |
| 03:16.42 | echobucket | /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0clampmss |
| 03:16.55 | echobucket | that adds a iptables rule to clampmss anyway. |
| 03:17.11 | echobucket | so, I just do an ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1412 right in front of it. |
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| 03:17.44 | nvz | gravity: carful you might put your eye out pulling on that |
| 03:17.46 | shamu | whered you find tha, echobucket? |
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| 03:18.10 | liable | !tell nicoAMG about ig |
| 03:18.11 | echobucket | shamu, just kept digging in google. |
| 03:18.31 | liable | laters.. |
| 03:18.36 | shamu | what keywords? |
| 03:18.47 | Lilldude | how do you md5 check debian cds? |
| 03:18.55 | shamu | 2 ways |
| 03:19.06 | echobucket | there's also a thing I found that does echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc |
| 03:19.10 | Shadda | bob2, not there. |
| 03:19.14 | echobucket | not sure if that's necessary yet. |
| 03:19.22 | shamu | md5sum the iso image and compare to the md5sum on the download site |
| 03:19.53 | Lilldude | isnt ther debian auto sum checker on cds? |
| 03:20.18 | echobucket | but this is all needed because bankofamerica.com's servers have BROKEN PMTU discovery |
| 03:20.24 | Shadda | bob2, ran about 5 searches. no 2.4.27-1 headers for x86 |
| 03:20.25 | shamu | 2. if there is an md5sums file on the burnt cd, 'md5sum -v -c /mnt/cdrom/blah/blah/md5sums' will verify the burnt filesystem |
| 03:20.49 | shamu | I do the latter, because it verifies the contents and the burn at the same time |
| 03:20.56 | Lilldude | oh |
| 03:21.04 | gravity | nvz: :-) |
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| 03:21.49 | shamu | oh , is there an auto sum checker? |
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| 03:22.06 | kreg_lt | know what module to use for a realtek 8169 gig card? |
| 03:22.09 | nvz | gravity: finally let go of it long enough to reply I see :P |
| 03:22.16 | gravity | Ha! |
| 03:22.19 | bob2 | Shadda: google harder |
| 03:22.21 | nicoAMG | shamu. My fun stops. The Debian installer Cd is broken. :( |
| 03:22.30 | echobucket | shamu, okay.. you don't need the echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc |
| 03:22.38 | nvz | hehe |
| 03:22.41 | Shadda | bob2, oh, I've been googling for hours. Every link For that particular packages comes up with "this page has been removed" |
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| 03:23.14 | bob2 | Shadda: please don't tell me you're actually blaming anyone for this |
| 03:23.21 | Shadda | I'm not |
| 03:23.35 | bob2 | http://packages.vergenet.net/pending/kernel-image-2.4.27-i386/ |
| 03:23.36 | bob2 | is a start |
| 03:24.19 | gravity | Why is it so hard to find headers for this package? Is it not standard sarge? |
| 03:24.24 | nicoAMG | shamu. i can't continue the installation. I need to check the ISO and CD burner. |
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| 03:25.22 | shamu | nicoamg: definitely. I'd also recommend checking the iso on a different cd-rom, if possible |
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| 03:25.29 | foka | Hello all! |
| 03:25.37 | Driverman | Alright guys |
| 03:25.41 | Driverman | here's the deal |
| 03:25.41 | Shadda | gravity, no idea why its so hard...I installed sarge just a few months ago, and it came with this kernel |
| 03:25.41 | foka | Is there a way to check who created a certain tag in cvs? :-) |
| 03:25.48 | echobucket | Shadda, bob2 vorlon , thanks for the help with the pppoe stuff |
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| 03:25.51 | nvz | hmm I got so many tabs open I dont know how I came across this site.. but it somehow knows where I am from. its full of shit, cause it says these girls are from my town and I know they're not cause I have the records on my pc.. I would know if they lived here |
| 03:25.52 | Driverman | I have an AGP Ati radeon 9800 pro |
| 03:25.52 | foka | (After seeing nothing in the output of "cvs history -T -a", I changed LogHistory=all in CVSROOT/config and then restarted the server, but didn't seem to help. |
| 03:25.55 | foka | Thanks in advance! |
| 03:25.55 | shamu | nicoamg: I've had cds burn bad, and I've had cd-rom drives not be able to read the outer-edge-bytes of knoppix cds on known good knoppix cds |
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| 03:25.59 | Driverman | I installed debian |
| 03:26.00 | Shadda | Its not in any package lists (not stable, unstable, oldstable, testing, etc) |
| 03:26.03 | nicoAMG | shamu: Yeah, until tomorrow in my office |
| 03:26.05 | Driverman | and then used the ATI driver update thing |
| 03:26.10 | Driverman | and I'm getting like |
| 03:26.12 | Driverman | 3 fps |
| 03:26.14 | Shadda | bob2 trying something on that link you gave me, thanks |
| 03:26.14 | Driverman | with anything 3d. |
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| 03:26.30 | bob2 | Shadda: dude, sarge did not come that kernel |
| 03:26.47 | Thaiger | Does anyone know where I could find a howto that might help me get my Radeon 9200 working with acceleration? |
| 03:26.52 | Shadda | I am running sarge |
| 03:26.56 | bob2 | Thaiger: it happens by default |
| 03:27.03 | bob2 | Shadda: that kernel did not ship with sarge |
| 03:27.12 | Driverman | bob2: I'm having problems with my radeon 9800 as well :/ |
| 03:27.16 | Thaiger | bob2: not for me it didn't |
| 03:27.21 | bob2 | 9800 requires binary drivers |
| 03:27.24 | Thaiger | I get at best 400 fps with glxgears |
| 03:27.43 | nvz | got me curious now.. I am going to have to rip this site apart to figure out how it knew what town I was in.. |
| 03:27.54 | abrotman | dri.sf.net has good docs/troubleshooting |
| 03:28.26 | bob2 | gravity: can you merge daniels' latest glxgears patch? |
| 03:28.44 | nicoAMG | shamu: I'm installing Debian on a Old Laptop... |
| 03:28.45 | gravity | bob2: Huh? I haven't looked at his patches at all yet. What is it? |
| 03:28.47 | bob2 | gravity: it disables framerate printing unless you run it with -yesiknowglxgearsisnotabenchmarkingtool |
| 03:28.55 | gravity | hahahahaha |
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| 03:29.11 | gravity | Sadly, I think that'll have to wait a bit |
| 03:29.19 | m2 | LOL |
| 03:29.24 | shamu | nicoamg: so the cd burn could be bad or the laptop cdrom could be bad |
| 03:29.25 | m2 | that's a good patch |
| 03:29.44 | gravity | m2: :-) |
| 03:29.58 | nicoAMG | shamu: I was checked the media after burning, but i didn't do a MD5 checksum chek. |
| 03:30.07 | gravity | Shadda: Is this not what you're looking for? http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:30.15 | m2 | and that's coming form someone who actually published a paper where FPS for glxgears are quoted :-D |
| 03:30.24 | gravity | ouch |
| 03:30.24 | abrotman | could you make patch that halves the fps for every cycle it runs for? .. 5000fps 2500fps 1250 fps .. down to 1fps :) |
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| 03:30.37 | Shadda | gravity, well, there's 2.4.27-1-386 and 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:30.41 | Shadda | I'm running the former |
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| 03:30.47 | abrotman | Shadda: only one is the current one |
| 03:30.55 | gravity | Shadda: Dude, like bob2 said. That didn't ship with sarge. |
| 03:31.00 | gravity | Shadda: Just upgrade your kernel. |
| 03:31.10 | gravity | Why go through all this pain? |
| 03:31.17 | Shadda | Heh I don't know what to say. I'm definately running sarge (not running woody or patato) |
| 03:31.22 | Shadda | and this is the kernel It installed with |
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| 03:31.36 | shamu | bye abrotman |
| 03:31.40 | bob2 | Shadda: you mean you installed sarge before it released |
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| 03:31.41 | gravity | Shadda: I don't know what you did, but that's not the sarge kernel |
| 03:31.45 | bob2 | so you got one of the kernels it used to have |
| 03:31.48 | gravity | Right |
| 03:31.49 | bob2 | but no longer does |
| 03:31.52 | shamu | not the sarge release kernel, anyway |
| 03:32.01 | m2 | older installer maybe? |
| 03:32.01 | gravity | Shadda: Just upgrade your kernel. |
| 03:32.03 | Shadda | This was only about 3 months ago |
| 03:32.09 | gravity | Shadda: So? |
| 03:32.18 | shamu | sarge released just after that, I suspect |
| 03:32.18 | gravity | Shadda: Just upgrade the stupid kernel package. |
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| 03:32.27 | gravity | This is getting irritating. |
| 03:32.27 | bob2 | kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386, 2.4.27-10 is the 2.4 kernel in sarge |
| 03:32.47 | bob2 | forcing the headers in will probably work |
| 03:32.48 | JimButton | m2: loose or lose? :) |
| 03:32.55 | Shadda | oi, I'm not saying I won't, I'm not arguing with you, all I said was "I installed sarge, and this is the kernel it came with" |
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| 03:33.16 | m2 | JimButton: ah, yes, lovely language this one |
| 03:33.33 | JimButton | Shadda: well, you can just upgrade it, it is not that important how the current one got onto your computer :) |
| 03:33.44 | nicoAMG | shamu: I think the problem is in sed package.. Ever in the same point, 16% for base installation setup. |
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| 03:34.04 | m2 | JimButton: dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz* |
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| 03:34.25 | m2 | JimButton: and look at the changelog of the packages it prints out, if any. |
| 03:34.25 | shamu | nicoamg: well, the shortest path would be to burn a new cd and/or test the one you have |
| 03:34.34 | nicoAMG | shamu: a bad cd-rom can show random error. |
| 03:34.39 | Shadda | well, I'm not on crack. I just googled it, and found a sarge HOWTO |
| 03:34.40 | Shadda | kernel-image 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 03:34.40 | Shadda | kernel-image 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 03:34.48 | nicoAMG | shamu: I agreed! |
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| 03:34.52 | Shadda | are the choices it gives you on install. But again, beside the point |
| 03:34.55 | shamu | ok, cool |
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| 03:35.08 | Thaiger | About what should I get from glxgears is aceleration is working? |
| 03:35.13 | Shadda | My reason for not initially wanting to upgrade the kernel is I don't know how, and would probably screw my system if I tried. |
| 03:35.21 | Shadda | But hey, if I have to, I have to |
| 03:35.35 | nicoAMG | shamu: Thank you. see ya! |
| 03:35.36 | gravity | This HOWTO is from netinstaller rc2! That's ancient. |
| 03:35.41 | m2 | nicoAMG: hey! |
| 03:35.53 | shamu | nicoamg: you got it |
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| 03:36.05 | m2 | Thaiger: which card which CPU? |
| 03:36.05 | nicoAMG | m2: What? |
| 03:36.15 | Thaiger | m2: Radeon 9200 |
| 03:36.15 | m2 | nicoAMG: nice to see you here :-) |
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| 03:36.48 | m2 | gravity: what I said, older installer... |
| 03:36.53 | gravity | Right |
| 03:37.02 | nicoAMG | m2: Umm, a #gulcr partner! :) |
| 03:37.26 | m2 | Thaiger: CPU? |
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| 03:37.57 | Thaiger | m2: Athlon 2000+ |
| 03:38.16 | shamu | outta here |
| 03:38.29 | m2 | Thaiger: I guess 1000~2000 should be expected if hardware accelerated |
| 03:38.33 | shamu | thanks all |
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| 03:38.39 | m2 | Thaiger: ~ 500-1000 if not |
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| 03:38.57 | nicoAMG | m2: How are you my dear! |
| 03:38.59 | Thaiger | m2: Any idea why'd I'd get 400 if I'm lucky? |
| 03:39.01 | m2 | Thaiger: 1000 might be a bit on the high side if not hw accelerated |
| 03:39.26 | Shadda | looks like I get to install a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:39.30 | nicoAMG | m2: Having fun! |
| 03:39.35 | Shadda | Fun fun fun |
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| 03:39.49 | m2 | Thaiger: 400 would be the CPU cranking numbers |
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| 03:41.43 | Thaiger | I've tried every version of the driver I can find, but still no more than 400. Would it help if I got X.org? |
| 03:41.59 | m2 | uhm... maybe? |
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| 03:42.20 | buu | Thaiger: Is it enabled in your x conf? |
| 03:42.23 | buu | Or something |
| 03:42.35 | Driverman | dpkg: error processing ./fglrx-4-3-0_8.16.20-2_i386.deb (--install): |
| 03:42.35 | Driverman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.37 | Driverman | Sigh. |
| 03:42.41 | m2 | Thaiger: glxinfo, look for this: direct rendering: Yes |
| 03:42.47 | Driverman | Any advice? |
| 03:42.52 | Driverman | I am completely lost at this point. |
| 03:43.18 | m2 | !fglrx |
| 03:43.18 | dpkg | fglrx is probably see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
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| 03:43.26 | m2 | !ati drivers |
| 03:43.27 | Thaiger | m2: glxinfo undefined symbol:gluGetSTring |
| 03:43.27 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 03:43.50 | m2 | Driverman: look at that URL dpkg printed out |
| 03:44.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you pun-tang.. I donated blood today. you should have been there. |
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| 03:44.29 | Driverman | make-kpkg |
| 03:44.32 | Driverman | what is that a part of? |
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| 03:44.38 | m2 | Thaiger: apt-get install xlibmesa-glu |
| 03:44.39 | Driverman | what do I use with apt-get to get that? |
| 03:44.50 | m2 | Thaiger: (or xlibmesa-glu1 -- I can't never remember) |
| 03:45.08 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 03:45.09 | dpkg | Sorry, twistedemotions, I didn't get your test. |
| 03:45.11 | m2 | Driverman: kernel-package |
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| 03:45.21 | litage | i used strace and sort of found what's causing slapd to take so long to start. check out line 417 at http://rafb.net/paste/results/rbuTSq58.html ..that's 188 seconds |
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| 03:45.59 | FromTO | I am trying to automate adding a large number of users and creating a random passwd for each. I have done all this but is there a script to read the email add of users from a file and emails them the corresponding password |
| 03:46.23 | Thaiger | m2: Says I already have it, should I just purge it and reinstall |
| 03:46.25 | ngmlinux | so say I have a bunch of binary files that have to go to various places in my file system, how can I make a .deb file? |
| 03:46.50 | m2 | Thaiger: that STring is not a typo? |
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| 03:49.44 | m2 | hmm... is glxinfo foobared in sarge? |
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| 03:50.00 | m2 | Thaiger: if libGLU is installed glxinfo should work |
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| 03:51.03 | Guerin | so, anyone know a *n?x mms:// client other than mplayer? |
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| 03:51.26 | Guerin | my mms i mean "microsoft media services", the streaming protocol, not "multiple messaging service" |
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| 03:52.03 | ngmlinux | can someone help me do the partitioning part of a sarge install? |
| 03:52.16 | ferris_ | sure |
| 03:52.17 | ngmlinux | i'm trying not to wreck my windows partition |
| 03:52.22 | Thaiger | m2: Can you tell me where your libGLU.so.1 sym links to |
| 03:52.25 | Guerin | ngmlinux: so don't touch it |
| 03:52.30 | ngmlinux | ok i'm in the [!!] partition disks part |
| 03:52.30 | ferris_ | yep |
| 03:52.33 | bob2 | mimms? |
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| 03:53.16 | ngmlinux | ferris_ I currently have the following setup: |
| 03:53.17 | m2 | Thaiger: /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 -> libGLU.so.1.3 |
| 03:53.33 | ngmlinux | #1 primary 36.7GB ntfs that's my win partition |
| 03:53.45 | ngmlinux | #5 logical 1.0GB swap |
| 03:53.57 | ngmlinux | and #6 logical 22.3GB reiserfs |
| 03:54.07 | ngmlinux | I currently have Mandriva on #6 |
| 03:54.12 | ngmlinux | using #5 as a swap |
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| 03:54.20 | ngmlinux | and I want to replace mandriva with Debian |
| 03:54.23 | Thaiger | m2: I installed a different virtual package that provided the same(?) stuff as the other one, so what was I supposed to look for in glxinfo? |
| 03:54.25 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, just found it by grepping xmms out of aptitude search |
| 03:54.29 | kreg_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.31 | ngmlinux | without harming my win xp partition |
| 03:54.37 | ngmlinux | you with me? |
| 03:54.42 | kreg_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.49 | kreg_lt | how do i stop getting messages like that on my console? |
| 03:54.58 | ngmlinux | so I need to reformat that mandriva partion and put debian on it |
| 03:55.05 | m2 | ngmlinux: tell the installer to install in partition 6 then |
| 03:55.06 | ngmlinux | and let debian use the swap |
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| 03:55.15 | ferris_ | ngmlinux, yes... |
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| 03:55.31 | ngmlinux | what about the mount points and all that??? |
| 03:55.38 | ngmlinux | bootable flag |
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| 03:55.44 | ngmlinux | mount options |
| 03:55.48 | m2 | ngmlinux: select partition 6, delete, then select free space and choose to make a partition in that space |
| 03:55.56 | m2 | ngmlinux: and mount that as / |
| 03:56.04 | Thaiger | m2: It says Direct Rendering: No how do I fix that? |
| 03:56.29 | ngmlinux | primary or logical? |
| 03:56.38 | ngmlinux | logical right? |
| 03:56.45 | ngmlinux | that's what i used for mandriva |
| 03:56.50 | ferris_ | ngmlinux: yes |
| 03:57.08 | ngmlinux | ok so that's now Use as: Ext3 journaling |
| 03:57.10 | mike123 | About to apply for this tech support job that is linux/windows - I can handle all the linux support but im nto too familiar with iis/exchange. Would it be difficult for me to learn in a few days? |
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| 03:57.14 | ngmlinux | Mount point / |
| 03:57.15 | m2 | Thaiger: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, Section "Module", make sure it says Load "dri" and Load "glx" |
| 03:57.19 | ngmlinux | Moutn options defaults |
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| 03:57.23 | ngmlinux | Label / |
| 03:57.29 | ngmlinux | Reserved blocks 5% |
| 03:57.36 | ngmlinux | Typical usage standard |
| 03:57.44 | ngmlinux | and Bootable flag: off |
| 03:57.50 | ngmlinux | is this all good? |
| 03:57.57 | ngmlinux | or do I need to make changes? |
| 03:58.09 | Phated | No, it's fine. |
| 03:58.18 | Thaiger | m2: says Load "glx" load "dri" load "GLcore" |
| 03:58.26 | ngmlinux | you sure the bootable flag should be off? |
| 03:58.27 | ngmlinux | alright |
| 03:58.30 | Guerin | mike123: unsure why you're asking here |
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| 03:58.34 | Shadda | Linux Gluttony 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:58.34 | Shadda | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.39 | Shadda | kernel upgraded, but at what cost! :) |
| 03:58.43 | m2 | Thaiger: then it's /var/log/XFree86.0.log reading time for you |
| 03:58.46 | ngmlinux | and what about the old swap? |
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| 03:58.57 | ngmlinux | will Debian know to automatically use my swap from Mandriva? |
| 03:58.59 | ferris_ | use it for the new debian swap |
| 03:58.59 | m2 | Thaiger: something in there has to tell you that something went wrong while loading |
| 03:59.03 | mike123 | Guerin: #windows can't compare the two. |
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| 03:59.12 | ferris_ | you may have to tell it to use it |
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| 03:59.32 | Thaiger | m2: fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed |
| 03:59.39 | nvz | ngmlinux: you mean the debian-installer? |
| 03:59.43 | ferris_ | yes |
| 03:59.46 | ngmlinux | ok i deleted the swap and recreated it |
| 03:59.52 | ngmlinux | now it has a different face |
| 03:59.53 | ferris_ | perfect |
| 03:59.54 | m2 | Thaiger: is the kernel module (fglrx IIRC) loaded? |
| 03:59.59 | ngmlinux | whatever |
| 04:00.03 | ngmlinux | that should work now |
| 04:00.11 | ferris_ | yes, it should work |
| 04:00.19 | ngmlinux | now Finish partitiotn and write chagnes? |
| 04:00.29 | ferris_ | yes ngmlinux |
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| 04:00.55 | ngmlinux | ok it's partitioning now |
| 04:00.58 | Thaiger | m2: No radeon is, if I modprobe fglrx I get all kind of errors in addition to a kernel taint warning |
| 04:01.03 | ngmlinux | amazing how I can keep irc open while doing all this |
| 04:01.11 | ngmlinux | j/k |
| 04:01.15 | mike123 | lol |
| 04:01.16 | m2 | Thaiger: there you go. |
| 04:01.18 | ferris_ | lol |
| 04:01.20 | nvz | it only amazes you |
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| 04:01.31 | Thaiger | So fix the fglrx module? |
| 04:01.33 | m2 | Thaiger: can't mix and match the free drivers with the ones from ATI |
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| 04:01.47 | ngmlinux | nice this is no where near as easy as an FC install |
| 04:01.49 | ngmlinux | but still not bad |
| 04:01.55 | nvz | !lol |
| 04:01.55 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line. Everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a Knoppix user. |
| 04:02.01 | Thaiger | m2: How do I just go back to the free ones? |
| 04:02.04 | m2 | ngmlinux: you are IRCing from the installer? |
| 04:02.21 | ngmlinux | oh yeah |
| 04:02.23 | ngmlinux | no j/k |
| 04:02.27 | ngmlinux | i have a few machines here |
| 04:02.31 | nvz | oh what the FC install was 100% automated? in D-I all you have to do is have a finger and an enter key and know how to make the two meet |
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| 04:02.38 | m2 | Thaiger: uhm... deinstall the fglrx package I guess |
| 04:02.42 | ngmlinux | nvz, yup |
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| 04:02.46 | ngmlinux | very well done |
| 04:02.52 | ngmlinux | but you can make changes if you want |
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| 04:02.58 | m2 | Thaiger: I don't really know, I haven't used the fglrx drivers in a long long time |
| 04:03.00 | ngmlinux | but it's clearly explained |
| 04:03.06 | Thaiger | m2: if I rmmod radeon and modprobe fglrx I go down to 70 fps =( |
| 04:03.11 | nvz | I installed suse once and it was like 100 |
| 04:03.15 | nvz | % automated |
| 04:03.24 | nvz | it took like 4 hours though |
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| 04:03.41 | nvz | I can install debian from my netinstall in a matter of a few minutes and get to work |
| 04:03.49 | ngmlinux | hopfeully GRUB will work |
| 04:04.07 | nvz | hopefully my firefox will wake up |
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| 04:04.19 | nvz | nope guess not, it died |
| 04:04.35 | m2 | nvz: the suse installer is a PITA |
| 04:04.48 | ngmlinux | nice they fixed the module bugs |
| 04:04.52 | m2 | takes forever to screw your system up :-) |
| 04:04.52 | nvz | its called YAST not PITA :P |
| 04:05.13 | shingouz | nvz: YAST, PITA, who cares :p |
| 04:05.19 | nvz | heh |
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| 04:06.02 | nvz | I doubt firefox will reload with my last session |
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| 04:06.17 | shingouz | nvz: personally i think the sarge installer is too teletubbies, i like the chroot install a lot better |
| 04:06.18 | nvz | nope, sure wont |
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| 04:06.41 | nvz | shingouz: chroot install? |
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| 04:06.51 | kbh | hello, i'm having trouble getting any php to run with my sarge / apache2 setup, can anyone help me? |
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| 04:07.27 | shingouz | nvz: ask dpkg about it. manual partitioning, manual configs, debootstrap, chroot, make bootable, reboot basically |
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| 04:09.18 | ngmlinux | so far so good |
| 04:09.19 | shingouz | !tell Kbh about ask |
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| 04:09.31 | nvz | shingouz: bleh. I just slap in the netinstall w/ base on cd, and I am installed in like 5 minutes. then I can reboot and zip through base-config configure apt, and fetch screen and a few other essentials and get to work with configuring from there. that way I am not stuck pissing with insignificant details all day. once I got it installed and have screen I can multi-task |
| 04:09.31 | ngmlinux | so apt-get is the package management tool that handles .debs right? |
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| 04:09.43 | gravity | One of them |
| 04:09.49 | ngmlinux | I always thought debians tool was called deb or something like that |
| 04:09.53 | nvz | configuration is definatly a post-install thing.. I keep pre-install configuration to a minimum |
| 04:09.57 | gravity | ngmlinux: apt-get, aptitude, synaptics are all frontends to apt |
| 04:10.05 | ngmlinux | and that apt-get was a package tool that could handle debs tgzs and rpms |
| 04:10.07 | gravity | ngmlinux: .deb is the package format |
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| 04:10.23 | gravity | apt-get can handle rpms in other distros, but not in Debian |
| 04:10.23 | ngmlinux | can apt-get handle rpm's too? |
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| 04:10.28 | ngmlinux | oh ok |
| 04:10.29 | ngmlinux | i see |
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| 04:10.33 | shingouz | nvz: after the sarge installer i have to remove crap like discover, hotplug and a few other gizmos i hate, that is why i do the debootstrap/chroot every time |
| 04:10.40 | ngmlinux | apt-get is part of FreeBSD too right? |
| 04:10.44 | gravity | No |
| 04:10.57 | nvz | ngmlinux: apt-get is a package fetching tool dpkg is the package management tool |
| 04:11.02 | ngmlinux | how do you make .deb packages? |
| 04:11.03 | gravity | They use something else for their ports system, although I don't know what it's called |
| 04:11.13 | dogmeat | what is the command to reset the keyboard and mouse, if after unplugged it is replugged? |
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| 04:11.41 | shingouz | dogmeat: PS/2 keyb and mouse? they are not hotpluggable by design |
| 04:11.41 | gravity | ngmlinux: Install maint-guide and rad it or google for new maintainer's guide |
| 04:11.53 | ngmlinux | okay |
| 04:11.57 | nvz | ngmlinux: read the devel section of the debian website. its not something that can really be explained here. its not like a tgz or a rpm or other inferior formats a deb is way more than just a ball of software |
| 04:12.00 | dogmeat | shingouz: ps/2 key and mouse |
| 04:12.15 | shingouz | dogmeat: not hotpluggable. reboot |
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| 04:12.20 | ngmlinux | ok so apt-get is a much bigger pain to use than rpm or tgz? |
| 04:12.22 | gravity | I wouldn't go so far to say rpm is inferior. Just different. |
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| 04:12.34 | Guerin | well |
| 04:12.34 | shingouz | ngmlinux: no, it is the other way around |
| 04:12.38 | gravity | ngmlinux: No, you're conflating different things |
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| 04:12.52 | ngmlinux | well with rpm, to install you just go rpm -i pkgname |
| 04:12.52 | Guerin | it doesn't have nearly as much meta-data for packaging tools to work with |
| 04:12.59 | gravity | ngmlinux: man dpkg |
| 04:13.07 | ngmlinux | dpkg is part of apt-get? |
| 04:13.10 | gravity | No |
| 04:13.13 | Guerin | ngmlinux: and then you try to resolve broken dependencies etc. yourslef |
| 04:13.14 | gravity | Not really... |
| 04:13.20 | ngmlinux | no way |
| 04:13.26 | ngmlinux | rpm -i packagename |
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| 04:13.30 | gravity | ngmlinux: dpkg is the package manager. It manages individual packages. |
| 04:13.33 | ngmlinux | installes teh package and it's dependencies |
| 04:13.35 | m2 | ngmlinux: rpm -U pkgname, rpm -i is asking for trouble. |
| 04:13.44 | nvz | ngmlinux: dpkg -i works the same way as rpm -i pretty much |
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| 04:13.47 | gravity | ngmlinux: apt sits on top of dpkg and resolves dependencies, downloads them for you, etc. |
| 04:13.50 | ngmlinux | oh |
| 04:13.56 | m2 | learned that one after a few months of using SuSE |
| 04:13.59 | gravity | ngmlinux: apt-get, as well as aptitude and synaptic, are frontends to apt |
| 04:14.02 | ngmlinux | i thought applications automatically dl and install updates |
| 04:14.09 | ngmlinux | in the background so you don't ahve to worry about it |
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| 04:14.17 | gravity | uhhh... why would they do that? |
| 04:14.19 | gravity | That'd be insane |
| 04:14.24 | ngmlinux | so you don't have to waist time |
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| 04:14.29 | ngmlinux | that's what winblows does |
| 04:14.31 | nvz | ngmlinux: apt-get is just a tool for fetching software packages (source or binary in nearly any format or arch) from a set of sources which may be local, removable media, http or ftp |
| 04:14.32 | gravity | You want your system breaking out from under you? |
| 04:14.37 | nvz | ngmlinux: then it uses dpkg to install them |
| 04:14.54 | ngmlinux | no it won't because it's stable |
| 04:14.56 | ngmlinux | linux can't break |
| 04:15.00 | gravity | hahahahahahahahahaha |
| 04:15.07 | gravity | Obviously you have much to learn |
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| 04:15.24 | ngmlinux | i thought that's why everyone says it's soo much better than windows |
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| 04:15.40 | ferris_ | oh, it can break.... but it is very hard for an end user to do |
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| 04:15.43 | gravity | Nothing is bulletproof. You have to be smart. |
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| 04:15.56 | gravity | Linux allows you to be smart though. |
| 04:16.00 | gravity | Windows doesn't really do that. |
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| 04:16.03 | ngmlinux | FreeBSD is much less likely to break than linux |
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| 04:16.18 | ngmlinux | linux is only slightly more reliable than a well maintained XP install |
| 04:16.24 | ngmlinux | but more efficient |
| 04:16.27 | ferris_ | ngmlinux, i have never used FreeBSD |
| 04:16.29 | gravity | ngmlinux: Have you ever even used Linux? |
| 04:16.32 | gravity | Or FreeBSD? |
| 04:16.34 | shingouz | i am getting a braincancer listening to this |
| 04:16.36 | ngmlinux | yes and yes |
| 04:16.36 | ferris_ | i wouldn't know about it |
| 04:16.51 | gravity | ngmlinux: Why are you saying such stupid things then? |
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| 04:17.03 | ngmlinux | i'm new to debian |
| 04:17.06 | Draal_ | Hello! Ngmlinux; when did you come out from under the bridge? |
| 04:17.07 | ngmlinux | and debian package management |
| 04:17.10 | Guerin | that'd be why |
| 04:17.21 | gravity | ngmlinux: That has nothing to do with what I asked. |
| 04:17.26 | Guerin | if he's only used fedora, he's probably right |
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| 04:17.56 | ngmlinux | i've used fedora, mandriva, slackware (briefly) and ubuntu |
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| 04:18.08 | ferris_ | ngmlinux, IMHO Debian is the best distro |
| 04:18.19 | netgod | ferris_: on that we agree |
| 04:18.25 | ngmlinux | debian seems well supported |
| 04:18.28 | gravity | It boggles the mind. |
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| 04:18.29 | ngmlinux | not as polished as FC |
| 04:18.34 | ngmlinux | but nicely supported |
| 04:18.42 | ferris_ | ngmlinux, ubuntu is similar to debian, in that ubuntu was built off of debian |
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| 04:18.56 | ferris_ | ubuntu is why i chose debian |
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| 04:19.05 | Draal_ | Question ~ I'm looking for a cheap supplier of Debian DVDs (just one set) anyone know a good shop? |
| 04:19.09 | ngmlinux | ubuntu looks relatively polished |
| 04:19.15 | nvz | ngmlinux: debian isnt about shiny things. you should read up some before you come in here and make people thing you are just trolling |
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| 04:19.20 | Draal_ | Ubuntu uses Gnome.. Ew... |
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| 04:19.38 | shingouz | gnome is evil :p |
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| 04:19.56 | Draal_ | Shingouz: XFCE is our savior! |
| 04:19.59 | ferris_ | Draal, what dm are you using? |
| 04:20.02 | ferris_ | ah |
| 04:20.04 | ferris_ | yes |
| 04:20.05 | shingouz | Draal_: CLI |
| 04:20.19 | Draal_ | CLI? Not familiar |
| 04:20.28 | ferris_ | i like xfce too |
| 04:20.33 | gravity | heh |
| 04:20.38 | shingouz | Draal_: that is the black screen with the white letters |
| 04:20.45 | nvz | ngmlinux: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://www.debian.org/social_contract are good documents to read they are pretty small, and they outline what debian is about. if you dont agree with what is said there you probably shouldnt install it or be here |
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| 04:20.53 | Draal_ | Oh... Funny |
| 04:21.05 | shingouz | yes, i crack myself up |
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| 04:21.19 | cmug | crack! |
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| 04:21.31 | Draal_ | Next release I get Desktop icons! |
| 04:21.52 | Draal_ | Question ~ I'm looking for a cheap supplier of Debian DVDs (just one or two sets) anyone know a good shop? |
| 04:21.54 | ngmlinux | checking it out, nvz |
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| 04:22.28 | shingouz | Draal_: your own computer if it has a dvd burner and a fastish network connection? |
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| 04:23.05 | Draal_ | Shingouz; My network has a five gig per month limit on downloads |
| 04:23.19 | mwilson | grrrr... |
| 04:23.23 | dogmeat | it so happened that hot-plugging my ps/2 keyboard and mouse worked after installing a kvm |
| 04:24.04 | Draal_ | Shingouz: I also wouldn't be asking if I hadn't already tried downloading it.. |
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| 04:24.14 | Draal_ | But.. What.. 9 gigs is a bit much to download.. |
| 04:24.14 | gravity | Draal_: I don't know if they sell cd's, but cheapbytes used to be great |
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| 04:24.19 | gravity | s/cd's/dvd's/ |
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| 04:24.32 | ngmlinux | well to me the only really significant difference between debian and others is the package management |
| 04:24.45 | ngmlinux | so i'm interested in learning more about .deb and apt-get |
| 04:24.55 | gravity | ngmlinux: Google for the apt HOWTO |
| 04:25.02 | gravity | ngmlinux: It'll tell you more than we will |
| 04:25.04 | ferris_ | .deb is a format for a file |
| 04:25.04 | nvz | ngmlinux: then you havent read or understood those documents |
| 04:25.04 | mwilson | ngmlinux: Qualityof software is far better... developers are held to a standard. |
| 04:25.06 | Draal_ | Ngmlinux; the package management is most likely the single greatest inovation to hit Linux |
| 04:25.08 | Draal_ | Or windows |
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| 04:25.17 | ngmlinux | ok so RH and FC use rpm |
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| 04:25.22 | gravity | He's not interested in that. Let him be. |
| 04:25.24 | ngmlinux | but debian uses apt-get and dpkg? |
| 04:25.26 | Draal_ | gravity: Checking them out.. Thank you |
| 04:25.41 | gravity | Draal_: Hope they work out. It's been a long time since I had to order cd's/dvd's |
| 04:25.42 | ngmlinux | but apt-get does everythign dpkg does and more? |
| 04:25.44 | samuel | are there any good programs that send to a large number of addresses? mailing list programs or what do you call them? |
| 04:25.52 | ngmlinux | am i on the right track here? |
| 04:25.56 | gravity | No |
| 04:25.59 | gravity | I already explained it to you |
| 04:26.01 | mwilson | ngmlinux: No, apt-get does nothing at all that dpkg does. |
| 04:26.01 | nvz | ngmlinux: no apt-get and dpkg do completly different things |
| 04:26.03 | Draal_ | gravity; I'd rather not, but two 4.5 gig DVDs is a bit much to download |
| 04:26.05 | `Ku | Any one have a IBM ThinkPad |
| 04:26.14 | mwilson | `Ku: I do. |
| 04:26.17 | shingouz | dogmeat: some mobos do support PS/2 hotplugging but it is not originally in the IBM docs |
| 04:26.20 | mwilson | Thinkpag 600E. |
| 04:26.20 | `Ku | What number? |
| 04:26.22 | gravity | Draal_: Yeah, and if you can't do a netinst it's your best way to go |
| 04:26.24 | `Ku | O |
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| 04:26.24 | mwilson | Thinkpad, even. |
| 04:26.27 | `Ku | I got a new new one |
| 04:26.30 | Draal_ | ku; thats Lenovo Thinkpad |
| 04:26.31 | ngmlinux | we'll I'll lookup dpkg on the apt-get site |
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| 04:26.36 | `Ku | Lenovo Thinkpad are good |
| 04:26.44 | ngmlinux | i assume the difference is explained there |
| 04:26.46 | mwilson | `Ku: That remains to be seen. |
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| 04:26.48 | Overand | `Ku: I ran sarge on a Thinkpad 600E, and my friend still has it and ois running the same install. |
| 04:26.54 | shingouz | ku, please remove the tick infront of your nick! and /msg dpkg ask; /msg dpkg laptop |
| 04:27.14 | `Ku | what? |
| 04:27.22 | mwilson | 600E is a great laptop. Pity about the batteries, though... mine is on its third. |
| 04:27.30 | `Ku | How old is the 600E |
| 04:27.35 | `Ku | I got the new T43 |
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| 04:27.41 | mwilson | 3-4 years |
| 04:27.48 | mwilson | P2/366 |
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| 04:27.53 | `Ku | 1 gig of ddr 2 |
| 04:27.56 | shingouz | kuene: the damn ' you have in front of your nick. |
| 04:28.01 | `Ku | 8x dvdr + - |
| 04:28.02 | shingouz | kuene: sorry |
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| 04:28.07 | Phated | `, actually. |
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| 04:28.19 | mwilson | `Ku: Yes, we can all look at the product page if we feel the need. |
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| 04:28.20 | ngmlinux | i get it dpkg is just another name for a .deb file and apt is used to install, update and manage them correct? |
| 04:28.20 | gravity | irssi is smart enough to tab complete around the weird stuff people attach to their nicks |
| 04:28.27 | gravity | I don't know how I'd get along without that |
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| 04:28.30 | shingouz | yeah whatever. it is very annoying to type on a swedish keyboard |
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| 04:28.36 | nvz | ngmlinux: apt is a tool for retrieving the packages from a source (cd, http, ftp...) and using its source cache to resolve dependencies and suchthats it. dpkg is the package mangement tool that actually handles the packages |
| 04:28.37 | `Ku | Ku was taken |
| 04:28.37 | gravity | Heh |
| 04:28.51 | samuel | whats a good mailing list program that does the whole suscribe/unsuscribe thing without much hassle? |
| 04:28.54 | `Ku | Ku as in the college |
| 04:28.54 | ngmlinux | so dpkg is part of apt? |
| 04:28.55 | shingouz | then put the damn thing behind your nick.. |
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| 04:29.01 | ngmlinux | oh i get it |
| 04:29.02 | mwilson | gravity: Hey... type 6 support? (hint) |
| 04:29.03 | `Ku | Not the fholes kkk |
| 04:29.05 | ngmlinux | thanks nvz |
| 04:29.05 | Draal_ | ngmlinux; You'll most likely never use dpkg |
| 04:29.09 | mwilson | ngmlinux: No. |
| 04:29.10 | nvz | ku[tab][tab] completes hist nick in irssi |
| 04:29.12 | Draal_ | Just ap-tget |
| 04:29.26 | gravity | mwilson: Sorry, I haven't had a chance to get to it. In the next few days. I haven't forgotten it. |
| 04:29.29 | ngmlinux | what??? i was just told that apt-get only dl's the packages |
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| 04:29.37 | ngmlinux | but you need dpkg to install them? |
| 04:29.48 | `Ku | Whats a good gui for Debian xwindows |
| 04:29.53 | c_olin | How can I add/remove programs/daemons that launch on startup? |
| 04:29.55 | `Ku | KDE use a lot of space |
| 04:29.58 | Draal_ | Ngmlinux; Download Debian and just play with it |
| 04:30.01 | mwilson | gravity: I'm getting used to this keyboard finally... the extra keys are nice. |
| 04:30.03 | shingouz | ngmlinux: apt-get install foo installs foo |
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| 04:30.06 | Draal_ | The distro works fine, you should get the idea |
| 04:30.21 | mwilson | gravity: I'll just have to remember to un-xmodmap things when it goes in. :) |
| 04:30.26 | gravity | Heh |
| 04:30.33 | ngmlinux | i'm reading apt-howto |
| 04:30.46 | shingouz | ngmlinux: man apt-get first... |
| 04:30.48 | ngmlinux | and it says .deb files are called dpkg's and that you use apt to dl and install them |
| 04:31.03 | Draal_ | gravity; Cheapbytes have the dvds.. Thanks again |
| 04:31.04 | ngmlinux | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html |
| 04:31.11 | nvz | ngmlinux: apt, aptitude, dselect, synaptic..etc are all frontends to dpkg |
| 04:31.13 | shingouz | ngmlinux: man apt-get |
| 04:31.19 | ferris_ | ngmlinux, for the most part all you need to do is apt-get install packagename |
| 04:31.22 | gravity | Draal_: Coolness. |
| 04:31.25 | Draal_ | Ngmlinux; Its easy to use.. Did you ever update Ubuntu? |
| 04:31.36 | ngmlinux | no i didn't manage the ubuntu system i used |
| 04:31.47 | nvz | ngmlinux: they take the work out of having to manually find the package you want, including all its dependancies and dpkg -i them like you would with the "rpm" or such tools traditionally |
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| 04:32.02 | Draal_ | RPMs are evil |
| 04:32.04 | kasper | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.06 | Draal_ | A pestilence upon mand |
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| 04:32.15 | shingouz | !tell kasper about hold |
| 04:32.18 | ngmlinux | what can be less work than rpm -U packagename? |
| 04:32.23 | harold | hi! [OT] i bought today an audiosteno usb device. has any of you folks one of these ? |
| 04:32.31 | womble | ngmlinux: apt-get install packagename |
| 04:32.31 | shingouz | ngmlinux: apt-get install packagename |
| 04:32.37 | kasper | shingouz: thanks |
| 04:32.41 | shingouz | np |
| 04:32.50 | `Ku | nice it found no onbord newtork cards |
| 04:32.50 | ngmlinux | that's just as much work as rpm -U packagename |
| 04:32.54 | ngmlinux | anyway i think i get it |
| 04:32.56 | Draal_ | Ngmlinux ~ Are you going to download debian or not? Once you start using it, its easy to understand |
| 04:33.01 | ngmlinux | you never have to worry abotu dpkg |
| 04:33.07 | ngmlinux | that just works in the background |
| 04:33.08 | ferris_ | Draal, he is installing |
| 04:33.13 | womble | ngmlinux: Trust me, it's a lot easier. apt-get will go and fetch the packages for you off the 'net. |
| 04:33.17 | Draal_ | Oh.. Sorry |
| 04:33.18 | ngmlinux | you just use apt to install and update .deb packages |
| 04:33.20 | mwilson | # 326956 <snicker> |
| 04:33.24 | shingouz | harold: please do not poll... |
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| 04:33.37 | ngmlinux | nice so you don't even need to know the address? you just need to know the package name and apt-get it? |
| 04:33.47 | ferris_ | exactly |
| 04:33.52 | ngmlinux | cool |
| 04:33.53 | `Ku | Were can I get drivers for my network cards |
| 04:33.59 | `Ku | I looked on linux.laptops |
| 04:34.19 | shingouz | kuene: what cards are they? are they even supported by linux? |
| 04:34.28 | shingouz | kuene: sorry again |
| 04:34.48 | shingouz | `Ku: /nick ku` |
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| 04:35.18 | mwilson | *AUGH*! |
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| 04:35.26 | shingouz | exactly |
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| 04:35.31 | nvz | ngmlinux: you configure apt with apt-setup which writes your sources (cd, http, ftp..) to the /etc/apt/sources.list, then caches all the package info for all the packages contained there. then you can use apt (apt-get and apt-cache) to work with the package cache. |
| 04:35.51 | `Ku | They are onbord |
| 04:35.59 | Draal_ | Ngmlinux ~ What dm are you going to use? |
| 04:36.52 | Phated | `Ku: FFS, please, PLEASE change your nick to something that starts with a letter. |
| 04:37.11 | shingouz | ku, the "drivers" are in the kernel. and if you do not change your nick, i will /ignore you |
| 04:37.13 | nvz | ngmlinux: when you say apt-get install foo, it checks the cache of your sources.list to see if there is a package foo, then if there is one or more packages called foo, it checks for the most recent version and where it is, then checks to see what it depends on.. downloads it with all dependancies then hands over to dpkg to install the fetched packages |
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| 04:37.58 | nvz | grr. wtf |
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| 04:38.11 | ngmlinux | ok nvz, i'm gonna set that up in a second |
| 04:38.11 | Draal_ | WTF indeed |
| 04:38.16 | ngmlinux | but there's an issue with my display |
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| 04:38.49 | ngmlinux | my screen resolution is 1280x800 but debian has set it to 800x600 and doesn't give a 1280x800 option |
| 04:38.57 | ngmlinux | how do i fix this? |
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| 04:39.05 | Shadda | edit your X config |
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| 04:39.12 | shingouz | Shadda: no |
| 04:39.17 | Shadda | no? |
| 04:39.19 | ngmlinux | edit xconfig? |
| 04:39.20 | Phated | !drxx |
| 04:39.20 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:39.22 | shingouz | !tell ngmlinux about drxx |
| 04:39.36 | nvz | he should not even be worrying about that if he's not ran base-config yet.. which is where he would have configured apt |
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| 04:39.51 | ngmlinux | ok su run base-config as root? |
| 04:40.03 | nvz | ngmlinux: it runs it automatically after you install and reboot |
| 04:40.16 | ngmlinux | well i'm at the desktop now |
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| 04:40.21 | ngmlinux | and have a messed up resolution |
| 04:40.26 | ngmlinux | so something went wrong |
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| 04:40.40 | jim | well you -can- do that... but unless something's really special, you shouldn't have to |
| 04:40.40 | nvz | ngmlinux: then you must have gone way past base-config already and already configured apt |
| 04:40.44 | shingouz | ngmlinux: do the dpkg-reconfigure thingie then |
| 04:41.02 | nvz | ngmlinux: what kind of monitor do you have? |
| 04:41.03 | ngmlinux | ok i thought i'd never have to use dpkg directly but here goes |
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| 04:41.08 | ngmlinux | LCD widescreen |
| 04:41.32 | nvz | ngmlinux: dpkg-reconfigure is different than dpkg. its a tool that just runs the debconf scripts of the package |
| 04:41.33 | britt | what is the final apt-get module i keep forgetting to get "startx" to work? |
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| 04:41.44 | jim | using dpkg directly is a -good- thing :P for its capabilities, dpkg --help |
| 04:41.44 | ngmlinux | ok i need some agreement here |
| 04:41.52 | ngmlinux | everyone is suggestin gdifferent things |
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| 04:41.56 | Phated | britt: apt-get install x-window-system-base. |
| 04:42.16 | Phated | Eek. |
| 04:42.19 | shingouz | ngmlinux: we all are suggesting the same thing really |
| 04:42.29 | ngmlinux | just tell me exactly what to type then |
| 04:42.31 | jim | ngmlinux: under normal circumstances, dpkg-reconfigure <yourserverpackagename> is the right thing to do |
| 04:42.40 | shingouz | !tell ngmlinux about drxx |
| 04:42.48 | nvz | britt: Phated: x-window-system-core |
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| 04:42.53 | Phated | Oh, DUH. |
| 04:42.53 | nvz | ffs |
| 04:42.58 | ngmlinux | drxx? apt-get x-window-system core? |
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| 04:43.02 | ericc | hola a todos |
| 04:43.09 | ngmlinux | type all that |
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| 04:43.19 | jim | it's just if you have something -really- special that you might -have- to edit it... but it's also possible you can do so after it makes the initial config |
| 04:43.21 | Phated | !drxx ngmlinux |
| 04:43.22 | dpkg | ngmlinux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 04:43.35 | ngmlinux | i have no idea what i'm using |
| 04:43.47 | ngmlinux | what does debian install by default? |
| 04:43.54 | jim | I didn't know Phated ever ran away in shame... for anything :) |
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| 04:43.56 | shingouz | xfree |
| 04:43.58 | nvz | ngmlinux: debian ... ? |
| 04:44.04 | Angel-SL | !kernel |
| 04:44.06 | nvz | ngmlinux: which version? |
| 04:44.06 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13, snapshot: 2.6.13-git6, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-pre3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.13-mm1 |
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| 04:44.27 | nvz | ngmlinux: Sid is currently the only version with Xorg as far as I know |
| 04:44.29 | ngmlinux | bus identifier??? |
| 04:44.35 | Angel-SL | the current sarge comes with 2.6 right? |
| 04:44.38 | ngmlinux | i have no idea what to type at any of these |
| 04:44.42 | ericc | hola |
| 04:44.44 | nvz | ngmlinux: if you dont have more than one card you can safely leave that blank |
| 04:44.44 | ericc | a todos |
| 04:44.48 | ngmlinux | k |
| 04:44.51 | shingouz | !es |
| 04:44.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:44.54 | Angel-SL | !gcc |
| 04:44.55 | dpkg | it has been said that gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc |
| 04:45.01 | Angel-SL | bah |
| 04:45.04 | nvz | ngmlinux: debconf scripts are WIDHE compliant.. don't sweat it |
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| 04:45.24 | ericc | gente en español no domino muy bien el englesh |
| 04:45.25 | Angel-SL | nvz: sarge kernel is? |
| 04:45.28 | Angel-SL | what ver |
| 04:45.39 | shingouz | Angel-SL: what are you trying to do? you can also /msg dpkg gcc and get the same answer |
| 04:45.40 | nvz | Angel-SL: depends 2.6.8 or 2.4.something |
| 04:45.40 | Angel-SL | !. |
| 04:45.40 | dpkg | hmm... . is . ........... |
| 04:45.48 | ngmlinux | what kind of keyboard model for a laptop? |
| 04:45.51 | ngmlinux | pc104? |
| 04:45.59 | nvz | !WIDHE |
| 04:45.59 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 04:46.14 | Angel-SL | nvz, i'm using the jigdo DVD |
| 04:46.16 | shingouz | !tell ngmlinux about laptop |
| 04:46.19 | Angel-SL | version |
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| 04:46.36 | nvz | Angel-SL: so what, like I care :P |
| 04:46.49 | Angel-SL | ?version |
| 04:46.51 | nvz | Angel-SL: debian comes with multiple kernels whichever you pick |
| 04:46.52 | Angel-SL | version |
| 04:47.05 | ngmlinux | here we go finally |
| 04:47.09 | nvz | Angel-SL: and dont even say you didnt pick. cause you are full of it |
| 04:47.09 | ngmlinux | resolution options |
| 04:47.17 | ngmlinux | debian ins't smart enough to auto-detect |
| 04:47.20 | Phated | Angel-SL: uname -r |
| 04:47.36 | nvz | Angel-SL: or didnt read the install guide or help at boot that told you how to do so |
| 04:47.37 | Angel-SL | Phated, i'm getting Debian |
| 04:47.42 | shingouz | ngmlinux: debian is smart enough not to autodestruct |
| 04:47.54 | Angel-SL | nvz, i'm GETTING debian |
| 04:47.59 | ngmlinux | whatever fc seemed to get everything right on it's own |
| 04:48.19 | shingouz | *multiple plonks* |
| 04:48.24 | nvz | Angel-SL: so, that doesnt relieve you from having to read the install guide.. now is the best time.. you havent installed it yet |
| 04:48.36 | ngmlinux | ok how do I select 1280x800 if it's not listed? |
| 04:48.39 | nvz | Angel-SL: the install guide answers what kernel versions there are and how to choose |
| 04:48.44 | jim | didn't they have apple plonkers on Yellow Submarine? |
| 04:48.54 | Phated | ngmlinux: So use fc. |
| 04:49.32 | ngmlinux | i need a debain machine for scratchbox |
| 04:49.46 | ngmlinux | anyway how do I set to 1280x800? |
| 04:49.56 | nvz | ngmlinux: you can put it in the config manually I suppose. that is if it wants to do that mode |
| 04:50.07 | ngmlinux | ok, how do I do that? |
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| 04:50.33 | ngmlinux | again i'm new to debian |
| 04:50.34 | nvz | ngmlinux: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 you would add it to the list of resolutions for your default color depth |
| 04:50.35 | Phated | ngmlinux: Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and add the appropriate modes in the appropriate place. |
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| 04:51.02 | jim | ngmlinux: so you can use fc... but you can also see why fc worked and debian didn't, and maybe cause debian to be that much better |
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| 04:51.37 | nvz | ngmlinux: if it will do the mode or not depends on many factors.. Availible Memory, Adapter, Display, and driver capabilities. |
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| 04:51.48 | jim | really I mean to say (that which needs no saying which is) you can run anything you want |
| 04:52.24 | jim | perhaps fc did more to take those things into account? |
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| 04:52.29 | nvz | like my HP Vectra VL wont do more than 640x480 at 24bit because it doesnt have enough available video memory to store screens of that siz |
| 04:53.16 | ngmlinux | gotta love how the "BEST" operating systems have you pop open an editor and rewrite everything for them to work :-) |
| 04:53.45 | ngmlinux | okay so i'm adding a SubSection "Display" |
| 04:53.48 | ngmlinux | Depth 24 |
| 04:53.56 | ngmlinux | Modes "1280x800"? |
| 04:54.01 | ngmlinux | EndSection |
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| 04:54.09 | nvz | you should not add any sections |
| 04:54.31 | nvz | you should add "1280x800" on the existing modeline for 24 bit |
| 04:54.44 | nvz | there are probably already several other modes there |
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| 04:54.56 | Seb | ngmlinux: you should use an X config tool, too |
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| 04:55.12 | nvz | Seb: he already did that. it didnt have the mode listed he wanted |
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| 04:55.16 | Seb | how's everyone tonight ? |
| 04:55.19 | shingouz | Seb: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 04:55.25 | nvz | Seb: he's fixated on 1280x800 widescreen |
| 04:55.30 | Seb | nvz: oh I see, my bad for not picking the context |
| 04:55.40 | ngmlinux | ok i added 1280x800 to that file |
| 04:55.50 | ngmlinux | and now i'm back to the Debian Configuration |
| 04:55.51 | ngmlinux | thing |
| 04:56.02 | Seb | shingouz: well yeah, *I* do know about dpkg-reconfigure my-x-server ;) |
| 04:56.03 | ngmlinux | where you select the resolution |
| 04:56.16 | ngmlinux | what's next? |
| 04:56.23 | ngmlinux | cause 1280x800 isn't listed |
| 04:56.24 | nvz | ngmlinux: you can terminate that. the debian configuration tool will no longer work for configuring your X server |
| 04:56.29 | ngmlinux | oh ok |
| 04:56.33 | nvz | ngmlinux: you already made the change |
| 04:56.35 | shingouz | Seb: sorry, my braincancer is just getting too bad listening to todays permasunday :) |
| 04:56.36 | ngmlinux | ok |
| 04:56.46 | Seb | shingouz: heh |
| 04:56.46 | ngmlinux | so how do I set the change, nvz? |
| 04:56.54 | nvz | ngmlinux: if you want to use debconf to manage X in the future you need to update your xmd5sum |
| 04:56.58 | nvz | ngmlinux: just restart X |
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| 04:57.30 | ngmlinux | logout and login should do that right, nvz? |
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| 04:57.34 | nvz | ngmlinux: debconf keeps a md5sum of the X config so that if you modify it manually debconf will not hose your custom settings |
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| 04:57.40 | nvz | ngmlinux: no you have to restart the server |
| 04:57.55 | ngmlinux | i'm rebooting the system that'll do it |
| 04:57.56 | nvz | ngmlinux: if you are using gdm or something do /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 04:58.05 | ngmlinux | then what once i get back in? |
| 04:58.08 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does linux contain any software that can test my hardware, and it has gui? anyideas? |
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| 04:58.43 | nvz | ngmlinux: if you restart the display manager or Xserver thats it. if you arent in 1280x800 then you need to read the log and find out why it will not do that mode. |
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| 04:59.02 | ngmlinux | how will it know to go into 1280x800 mode? |
| 04:59.05 | ngmlinux | i just added that option |
| 04:59.10 | ngmlinux | i never got a chance to set it??? |
| 04:59.16 | Seb | ngmlinux: stop thinking along the lines of "rebooting will do it" :) |
| 04:59.29 | ngmlinux | Seb? |
| 04:59.36 | nvz | ngmlinux: it automatically loads the highest available mode that it can do |
| 04:59.40 | ngmlinux | ok |
| 04:59.49 | ngmlinux | we'll see in a sec if you're right |
| 04:59.51 | nvz | ngmlinux: if it skipps the highest mode for some reason it will say why in the log |
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| 05:00.11 | ngmlinux | finally |
| 05:00.14 | ngmlinux | it looks like it did it |
| 05:00.16 | ngmlinux | wonderfull |
| 05:00.25 | nvz | ngmlinux: this could be because of any number of Available video memory, display, adapter, or driver issues |
| 05:00.38 | ngmlinux | you mean issues with debian? |
| 05:00.46 | ngmlinux | it is an unofficial release |
| 05:00.49 | ngmlinux | so i guess that's the problem |
| 05:01.01 | nvz | ngmlinux: I was speaking of display issues |
| 05:01.09 | nvz | ngmlinux: and what do you mean its an unofficial release? |
| 05:01.29 | nvz | what sort of basterdized debian spinoff did you install? |
| 05:01.29 | shingouz | ...it is not billy-certified.. :p |
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| 05:02.22 | ngmlinux | yeah ubuntu is much more polished than this |
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| 05:02.33 | ngmlinux | but at least debian is up and running somewhat now |
| 05:02.48 | ngmlinux | my next step is to configure apt now right? |
| 05:02.55 | gravity | apt-setup |
| 05:03.01 | nvz | ngmlinux: you should have configured apt a long time ago |
| 05:03.07 | nvz | ngmlinux: if you already have X setup |
| 05:03.24 | nvz | ngmlinux: though who knows since you arent using debian you say |
| 05:03.26 | ngmlinux | yes x looks okay now |
| 05:03.34 | nvz | ngmlinux: what does uname -r say? |
| 05:03.36 | shingouz | i am getting a feeling that someone has not read the install manual... |
| 05:03.39 | gravity | Not using Debian? Ugh. |
| 05:03.52 | ngmlinux | 2.6.11-amd64-generic |
| 05:03.58 | nvz | gravity: he has said " 01:00 < ngmlinux> it is an unofficial release" |
| 05:04.01 | ngmlinux | 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
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| 05:04.15 | nvz | looks like a sarge kernel |
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| 05:04.20 | ngmlinux | yes the amd64 sarge is unofficial still |
| 05:04.25 | gravity | Ah, that's Ok |
| 05:04.31 | nvz | yeah who cares :P |
| 05:04.46 | dotCOMmie | Is this a known problem: "zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.2-4) but 1:1.2.2-4.sarge.2 is to be installed" |
| 05:04.52 | gravity | I figured it had to be kanotix or some garbage. DSL. |
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| 05:04.56 | nvz | its still debian, its just a bastardized kernel |
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| 05:05.08 | nvz | we still understand how it works |
| 05:05.14 | ngmlinux | ok so on to apt-config? |
| 05:05.19 | ngmlinux | as root right? |
| 05:05.25 | nvz | its apt-setup and it should have been done already |
| 05:05.34 | nvz | you could not have installed X if it wasnt |
| 05:05.38 | ngmlinux | okay |
| 05:05.44 | ngmlinux | so i'm all set now? |
| 05:06.07 | nvz | base-config is the very first program that is run on your new debian system when you first boot, and it takes care of apt-setup and many other things for you |
| 05:06.07 | ngmlinux | anything else i should do before i get started? |
| 05:06.16 | ngmlinux | okay |
| 05:06.21 | ngmlinux | well it asked me a lot of questions |
| 05:06.24 | ngmlinux | that i just hit enter to |
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| 05:06.31 | Seb | that was smart |
| 05:06.37 | nvz | like I said debconf is WIDHE compliant |
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| 05:06.43 | nvz | When In Doubt Hit Enter |
| 05:06.49 | ngmlinux | ok |
| 05:06.59 | Seb | heh, yeah, like for your hostname ;) |
| 05:07.04 | nvz | thanks to sensible Debian Developers most defaults are safe |
| 05:07.13 | nvz | hey, "debian" is a valid hostname |
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| 05:07.19 | nvz | or "sarge" or whatever it may be |
| 05:07.19 | Seb | yeah I know :D |
| 05:07.38 | Seb | it was "debian" for woody, dunno about sarge |
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| 05:08.21 | nvz | its cooler to pick a theme and name your pcs all on the same theme.. like phobias, or colors in the rainbow, fast cars..etc freenode names its servers after scifi and fiction authors IIRC |
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| 05:08.54 | nvz | I used to use phobias, right now I am themeless |
| 05:08.59 | gotcha | hello |
| 05:09.04 | nvz | I may use porn stars or something |
| 05:09.05 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:09.14 | gumbanzoo | hey guys free iPods >>> http://freeipods.sytes.net |
| 05:09.20 | nvz | name my pcs after shitty pop singers or something |
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| 05:09.51 | nvz | I got 3 of them, call em Avril, Brittany, and Christina .. heh thats not even funny |
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| 05:09.55 | gotcha | gumbanzoo: free? |
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| 05:10.16 | nvz | sick thing is if I get bored and cant think of anything better it may happen someday |
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| 05:10.50 | nvz | ahh! wtf |
| 05:10.54 | gotcha | nvz: ... |
| 05:11.28 | nvz | I am thrashing my firefox lately and getting pissed at the result |
| 05:11.28 | gotcha | nvz: gpl musics something |
| 05:11.30 | Eclipser | mmh |
| 05:11.41 | Eclipser | how can I compare two directories and their contents? |
| 05:11.45 | gumbanzoo | gotcha: pyramid marketing, companies are paying ppl instead of advertisers |
| 05:11.52 | streuner | nvz: PF? |
| 05:11.57 | ngmlinux | ok, i just downloaded a new gnome theme |
| 05:11.57 | nvz | firefox sure cant take much of a beating |
| 05:12.00 | Seb | Eclipser: diff -r |
| 05:12.06 | ngmlinux | can anyone guide me through the install o fthat? |
| 05:12.07 | nvz | streuner: PF? |
| 05:12.28 | Seb | openbsd's pf ? :) |
| 05:12.35 | streuner | Pink Floyd |
| 05:12.36 | nvz | ngmlinux: #debian-gnome, or some other gnome channel would know best. or go to the gnome IRC server |
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| 05:13.07 | gotcha | gumbanzoo: hehe... give my money back :) |
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| 05:13.50 | gotcha | Seb: ? |
| 05:13.58 | Seb | gotcha: ? |
| 05:14.09 | nvz | ngmlinux: installing 3rd party software and themes isnt a hot-topic on this channel. neither are real specific questions about bloated Desktop Environments. |
| 05:14.10 | gumbanzoo | gotcha: sort of, u have to work on their behalf :) |
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| 05:14.17 | gotcha | what's pf? |
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| 05:14.28 | Seb | gotcha: google openbsd pf |
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| 05:14.37 | nvz | ngmlinux: its ok to ask, just not as likely to get a good answer as somewhere else where people know more about it |
| 05:14.41 | gotcha | Seb: mmm |
| 05:14.41 | Seb | dpkg, pf ? |
| 05:14.41 | dpkg | i heard pf is pink floyd, or a BSD packet filter (not related to Pink Floyd), or http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/index.html |
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| 05:14.46 | Seb | there |
| 05:15.27 | Eclipser | umh |
| 05:15.31 | Eclipser | this might take a while... |
| 05:15.33 | gotcha | Seb: why? |
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| 05:16.23 | Scant | trying to install xfce4 on a fresh debian install via comand line, seems to install fine using "apt-get install xcfe4" but when i use "startxfce4" i get "starting X server" then "line 45: exec: exinit: not found". Could anyone shed light on this? been trauling the web for a long time - PS. linux newb |
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| 05:17.04 | Seb | gotcha: 2-2 in the bottom of the 10th, Kent hits a 2-run HR... |
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| 05:17.53 | Seb | dpkg ,tell P4-weg about away |
| 05:17.56 | nvz | P4-weg: turn that off please. we really dont care how long you've been inactive |
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| 05:19.49 | gotcha | so many useless messages >_< |
| 05:19.58 | cahoot | one more |
| 05:20.00 | gotcha | in-out-in-out |
| 05:20.15 | nvz | there is a script for that you know |
| 05:20.16 | Seb | hmmmmm, in & out |
| 05:20.22 | nvz | heh |
| 05:20.59 | black_13 | do the the dpkg tools have the ability automatically install dependecies |
| 05:21.09 | cahoot | the irony being the away msg was massively surpassed by comments |
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| 05:21.23 | Seb | black_13: apt-get does, so do others |
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| 05:21.32 | Seb | black_13: dpkg doesn't do it automatically |
| 05:21.32 | gotcha | such as: this piggy is in... this piggy is out |
| 05:21.57 | black_13 | i know that apt-get does |
| 05:22.25 | streuner | as long as your sources.list is ok |
| 05:22.34 | Seb | black_13: so ? |
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| 05:22.41 | nvz | gotcha: Piggy never left |
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| 05:22.57 | tonsofpcs | can someone help me with MILO? I t seems to stop at "Swapping to PALcode at 0x0" |
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| 05:23.27 | nvz | dpkg, milo |
| 05:23.28 | dpkg | from memory, milo is short for the Multiple ILO document formatting system. See http://www.openstandards.org/milo/ or a choclatey beverage, or the alpha arch linux loader. |
| 05:23.44 | black_13 | Seb i am know to debian and what i find about debian is htat there is often more than one way to do things |
| 05:23.45 | nvz | dpkg, ILO |
| 05:23.45 | dpkg | well, ilo is short for an Internet Linked Object. The current ILO registry can be found at http://www.openstandards.org/ilo/ |
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| 05:23.47 | tonsofpcs | the alpha loader |
| 05:23.50 | tonsofpcs | not the others |
| 05:23.53 | tonsofpcs | :) |
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| 05:24.05 | chinu | hi all |
| 05:24.07 | tonsofpcs | hi |
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| 05:24.18 | Seb | black_13: well, use apt-get to install/remove packages, and that's it :) |
| 05:24.25 | chinu | i have some querries regarding debian |
| 05:24.27 | nvz | heh #debian-alpha is a ghost town |
| 05:24.37 | tonsofpcs | there's a #debian-alpha?!?!? |
| 05:24.40 | nvz | yep |
| 05:24.45 | nvz | one person in there |
| 05:24.50 | Seb | dpkg, tell chinu about ask |
| 05:24.56 | black_13 | Seb sure basically i want to install the xorg packages into a chroot i have built |
| 05:25.24 | Seb | black_13: setup an apt-sources in the chroot, and apt-get install your packages ? |
| 05:25.33 | streuner | tonsofpcs: didn't you have a convon yesterday about? |
| 05:25.33 | chinu | i want to contribute to debian, how can i start with. |
| 05:26.03 | black_13 | apt-sources? |
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| 05:26.13 | tonsofpcs | streuner - yes, but yesterday i couldn't even get milo to load, now it at least starts to load |
| 05:26.16 | Seb | chinu: nm.debian.org, www.debian.org |
| 05:26.37 | Seb | black_13: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:26.45 | black_13 | yeah yeah dur apt sources |
| 05:27.00 | Seb | chinu: you can start by using Debian, and reporting bugs you may find |
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| 05:27.31 | tonsofpcs | bah, i hate this keyboard |
| 05:27.34 | tonsofpcs | alt key sticks |
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| 05:28.50 | streuner | tonsofpcs: not many people using alphas... |
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| 05:29.33 | AquaVixen | i have a scsi tape on my system, and cat /proc/scsi/scsi lists it as device 0, but /dev/tape doesn't exist, why ? |
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| 05:29.46 | chinu | i want to adopt a package, how should i proceed |
| 05:29.50 | Seb | tonsofpcs: http://www.daskeyboard.com |
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| 05:30.02 | Rez | AquaVixen: why would /dev/tape necessarily exist? try /dev/st0 |
| 05:30.12 | AquaVixen | st0 is the tape drive ? |
| 05:30.18 | Rez | always |
| 05:30.26 | Rez | it's the first tape drive anyway |
| 05:30.30 | tonsofpcs | Seb - it's a model-m membrane variety that needs cleaning |
| 05:30.33 | AquaVixen | when i issue 'mt rewind' it says /dev/tape does not exist |
| 05:30.43 | AquaVixen | and yes, there is a tape in the drive, and it is ready |
| 05:30.46 | Seb | AquaVixen: make a link ? |
| 05:30.50 | AquaVixen | Ah |
| 05:30.55 | Rez | AquaVixen: that's because you haven't told mt to use the proper device node or symlinked /dev/tape to the proper device |
| 05:30.55 | tonsofpcs | i'm only using it cus i need to use two at once [this and the alpha, the alpha has the real model-m clicky cus it doesn't like this one (gee, i wonder why)] |
| 05:30.59 | Seb | AquaVixen: or point mt at /dev/st0 |
| 05:31.14 | Rez | TAPE=/dev/st0 mt rewind |
| 05:31.22 | Seb | there |
| 05:31.33 | AquaVixen | Fixied it |
| 05:31.36 | shingouz | tonsofpcs: you need more of those type M's :) |
| 05:31.50 | AquaVixen | symlinked /dev/tape to /dev/st0 |
| 05:31.52 | AquaVixen | worked |
| 05:31.57 | tonsofpcs | so can someone tell me why it freezes at "Swapping to PALcode at 0x0 ..." ? |
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| 05:32.19 | AquaVixen | Can anyone offer a suggestion how i could backup /home/ to tape drive, with compression, and span multiple tapes, if needed ? |
| 05:32.55 | tonsofpcs | tar? |
| 05:33.07 | AquaVixen | i don't know how i could do that with tar ? |
| 05:33.08 | shingouz | tonsofpcs: i have a faint recollection about that error, let me see if i can find something about it. this'll take some time and i have never run an alpha |
| 05:33.14 | TraceGreen | AquaVixen, cpio? |
| 05:33.18 | tonsofpcs | shingouz - thx :) |
| 05:33.21 | gowlin | AquaVixen: check out dump |
| 05:33.28 | tonsofpcs | AquaVixen - TAR = Tape ARchive |
| 05:33.58 | AquaVixen | what's cpio ? |
| 05:34.09 | nvz | I dont know much about the codebase, but firefox extensions seem to be like the slowest executing code in the world.. and firefox isnt too speedy either :P |
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| 05:34.40 | nvz | if it didnt seem like such an awesome and extensible browser I probably wouldnt even bother |
| 05:34.46 | tonsofpcs | nvz - try compiling them directly on your system |
| 05:35.08 | Seb | AquaVixen: man man, man tar, man cpio, man dump ? |
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| 05:35.22 | tonsofpcs | make love ? |
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| 05:35.51 | AquaVixen | meh |
| 05:35.56 | AquaVixen | guess i'll just google for it |
| 05:35.57 | Seb | yep |
| 05:35.58 | nvz | tonsofpcs: what the extensions? |
| 05:36.05 | Seb | AquaVixen: or use man |
| 05:36.09 | tonsofpcs | nvz - yea, why not? |
| 05:36.10 | AquaVixen | man just explains the switches |
| 05:36.11 | Seb | AquaVixen: or did I mention that already ? |
| 05:36.13 | nvz | where the hell do you get source code for them.. heh |
| 05:36.22 | Seb | AquaVixen: nah you got examples and shit |
| 05:36.23 | tonsofpcs | nvz - mozdev.org..... |
| 05:36.23 | AquaVixen | i read it already |
| 05:36.32 | nvz | I dont know that it'll speed it up any.. will probably just aggrivate me |
| 05:36.34 | AquaVixen | yeah, examples how to write to a *.tar somewhere |
| 05:36.43 | AquaVixen | i can't figure out how to write to a tape or other medium, that's why i'm asking |
| 05:36.46 | AquaVixen | but, i'll just google |
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| 05:37.40 | nvz | I think I'll just wait and see how it goes once I got openmosix patches on all these machines. that would probably improve performance more than recompiling all the extensions |
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| 05:38.00 | Scant | "apt-get install x-window-system-core" always comes up with media change and asks for a CD - im accessing thru putty but nowhere mentions the need for a CD. any ideas? |
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| 05:38.19 | LinuxNIT-laptop | can anyone tell me what shpchp does. it always says it wont load when i boot both my laptop and my desktop |
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| 05:38.42 | tonsofpcs | nvz - how about you ignore your crash and just get my alpha working? |
| 05:38.45 | timo | Scant, run apt-setup and configure it to use network repositories |
| 05:38.46 | tonsofpcs | ;) |
| 05:39.17 | nvz | before I know it I am going to be in trouble for abusing firefoxes from varios agencies that protect animal rights |
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| 05:39.32 | Seb | heh |
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| 05:40.45 | Scant | thanks timo was trying to find the command for ages. i edited another file (forget name) and manually entered some other sources. ive installed xfce etc using apt-get worked fine |
| 05:41.18 | nvz | it sure is a whiny ass browser.. you make it do something like hit 16,000 URLS at once and it complains that your script is slowing it down.. |
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| 05:41.55 | nvz | as if I care.. I didnt say when I needed it done, I just said in script terms that I wanted it done without my interaction |
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| 05:43.22 | john | don't you just type "finger ftp.kernel.org" to get the newest kernel version? |
| 05:43.28 | AP03 | does anyone know how i could change the defaut qt fonts (i think for kate) in xfce4? |
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| 05:43.41 | nvz | I think kernel.org doesnt want your fingers in it |
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| 05:44.05 | john | nvz: :( |
| 05:44.11 | john | I have nice fingers ;/ |
| 05:44.22 | timo | john, finger @finger.kernel.org |
| 05:44.24 | nvz | I am not positive.. I just recall reading something like that on kernel.org before |
| 05:44.32 | CaT[tm] | john: don't use finger. there's a url you can grab |
| 05:44.40 | noss | ;-( |
| 05:44.47 | CaT[tm] | john: kernel.org admins specifically turned off finger cos it was getting flooded. |
| 05:45.07 | nvz | yeah I knew I read something about that |
| 05:45.08 | AP03 | ill finger you |
| 05:45.19 | CaT[tm] | timo: hmm. i thought they turned it off. well they prefer you use the url anyway :) |
| 05:45.57 | CaT[tm] | from the main page: August 21, 2003: Please don't use finger.kernel.org for any sort of automatic monitoring. The number of automatic bots hitting this port is causing the finger daemon to shut down more often than not. The same information is available from http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner |
| 05:45.59 | nvz | oh baby # unzip; touch; finger; more; more; ... |
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| 05:47.37 | john | CaT[tm]: Thank you |
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| 05:48.05 | CaT[tm] | john: np :) |
| 05:48.11 | Supaplex | a book not yet written, O'Reilly Practical Distaster Planning for Government Officials |
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| 05:48.20 | netgod | heh |
| 05:48.47 | streuner | netgod: LTNS :-) |
| 05:49.00 | nvz | they really should consider putting a bandwidth throttle or a timeout counter between gets on these extensions that can do massive damage to networks. I am in no hurry I just dont want to have to clicky clicky too much |
| 05:49.36 | nvz | I am just trying to nose in as many peoples business as I can without having to do anything |
| 05:49.46 | nvz | doesnt all have to happen immediatly |
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| 05:50.02 | lxazardix | hello |
| 05:50.13 | netgod | streuner: heh re |
| 05:50.49 | nvz | hmm maybe I should just write a shell script that does it in a slower manner :P |
| 05:51.20 | Scant | i edited apt-sources manually - now trying to use apt-setup as suggested by timo, but i just get "could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open" and "unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" something is obviously using the desired resources is there a way to stop whatever it is? killall? |
| 05:51.26 | Supaplex | or sub to freshmeat.net and add the kernel to your watch list. |
| 05:51.36 | nvz | is there some kind of wait command that I can tell to waste some time? |
| 05:51.41 | Supaplex | sleep |
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| 05:51.45 | nvz | ah right |
| 05:51.46 | netgod | nvz: bitchx? |
| 05:52.10 | Supaplex | why not irssi? :) |
| 05:52.13 | nvz | heh |
| 05:52.30 | nvz | bitchx is really _wasting_ time |
| 05:52.41 | nvz | cause its a piece of shit |
| 05:52.54 | Supaplex | or are you using netcat and manual raw input? |
| 05:53.00 | Supaplex | that's the funnest |
| 05:53.09 | justin420 | hi, anybody know if the tv-out works for my radeon ve?? and if it does can anyone help me get it working?? |
| 05:53.12 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:53.40 | netgod | Supaplex: thats something you do once or twice, to demonstrate your leetness -- but IRC clients are far easier to use |
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| 05:53.49 | nvz | yeah and I pipe fortunes for quit messages |
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| 05:54.08 | nvz | so I can be a real bitchx |
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| 05:55.04 | nvz | wget wouldnt create a file if you tell it to fetch something that doesnt exist would it? |
| 05:55.35 | Supaplex | it might with the -O switch, but I doubt it. |
| 05:55.39 | myren | i want to replace every string found in any file in a directory + its subdirs with another string |
| 05:55.44 | myren | any help please? |
| 05:56.20 | nvz | I really dont want to have to be overly conservative or write some find/rm routine to cleanup 0byte files |
| 05:56.21 | Supaplex | every string with another, or every instance of one specific something with another something? |
| 05:56.24 | Scant | how can i determine what process is using /var/lib/dpkg so i can kill it? or can i kill all processes? (have rebooted still comes up as being in use) |
| 05:56.41 | Supaplex | Scant: lsof |
| 05:56.53 | P4N1C0 | sorry |
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| 05:57.10 | myren | Supaplex: what is the difference? |
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| 05:57.21 | Supaplex | Scant: what message specifically? (paste only one line at most, or use nopaste) |
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| 05:57.45 | nerdy2 | myren, combine find and sed |
| 05:57.51 | Supaplex | myren: well, perl has inline file editing |
| 05:58.01 | nvz | you should be sorry, not only are you wasting screen realestate with your status messages, but they arent even in the language of the channel |
| 05:58.17 | myren | hrm, yes, a job for perl i guess |
| 05:58.27 | Supaplex | perldoc perlfaq should find it |
| 05:58.28 | nvz | notice I waited till he left to bitch about it the 2nd time. |
| 05:58.32 | Scant | Supaplex "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" (andd thx) |
| 05:58.41 | nerdy2 | perl? |
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| 05:58.46 | Supaplex | Scant: you're root, right? |
| 05:58.50 | Scant | yep |
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| 05:59.06 | Supaplex | what command you using? |
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| 05:59.35 | nvz | oh wait, I am nvz not neo |
| 05:59.38 | Scant | trying to use apt-setup to add http (although i added my own directly already) |
| 06:00.02 | nvz | there is a firefox extension called purple rabbit or purple bunny or something |
| 06:00.06 | Xenguy | myren: try 'rpl' (there's a DEB) if you're in a hurry |
| 06:00.08 | myren | nerdy2: you wouldnt be able to help me out with the sed would you? |
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| 06:00.24 | myren | sed would be damned simple i think,... if i knew it at all |
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| 06:00.25 | Scant | all roundabout in my attempt to insall x-window-system-core which keeps asking for a CD |
| 06:00.27 | nerdy2 | myren, i would probably do something like : find . -type f -exec sed -i s/old/new/ {} \; |
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| 06:00.47 | myren | nice, nice |
| 06:01.11 | myren | how do i make a patch between two file-trees? |
| 06:01.35 | john | Anyone know of a good *.pdf viewer? |
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| 06:01.49 | nerdy2 | myren, diff |
| 06:01.51 | Supaplex | Scant: try strace -e open apt-setup |
| 06:01.55 | myren | i actually happen to like gpdf john |
| 06:01.57 | Eclipser | acroread :), but if you want free, then there's gpdf |
| 06:01.59 | ngmlinux | anyone know how to make debs? |
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| 06:02.35 | ngmlinux | i wrote and compiled an app that needs to install some modules and then some other files |
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| 06:02.38 | Scant | Supaplex -bash strace: command not found |
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| 06:02.44 | ngmlinux | can I make a .deb file to do that? |
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| 06:02.59 | nerdy2 | myren, you can apply the patch created by diff with patch |
| 06:03.04 | Coke | ngmlinux: you do know that all applications in Debian are packaged as debs? |
| 06:03.10 | myren | nerdy2: thanks again |
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| 06:03.39 | Supaplex | Scant: I don't have apt-setup installed, so I don't know what else to say. |
| 06:03.46 | Supaplex | Scant: google it =) |
| 06:03.47 | vorlon | heh. netgod? |
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| 06:03.59 | vorlon | netgod: have you been hiding in here? :) |
| 06:04.00 | grendal_prime | hey is there a way to get a wireless router box to forward all info to another wireless box...sort of like a acesspoint |
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| 06:04.08 | streuner | vorlon: yeah :-) |
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| 06:04.21 | vorlon | doh |
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| 06:04.26 | streuner | vorlon: (not to your question) |
| 06:04.31 | nerdy2 | myren, if you are doing this to submit to some project out there they may have suggestions for what type of patches they want (e.g. use diff -u to create a unified diff) or their particular coding style, etc. |
| 06:04.31 | netgod | vorlon: heh no i havent visited in a while |
| 06:04.43 | vorlon | netgod: ah. :) |
| 06:04.46 | gotcha | Supaplex: grendal_prime O.O a AP-relay? |
| 06:04.58 | nerdy2 | myren, although in general it's probably best to use the -u option on diff |
| 06:05.00 | ngmlinux | Coke, yes i do |
| 06:05.04 | Supaplex | huh? |
| 06:05.13 | ngmlinux | Coke, how can i make a .deb application |
| 06:05.15 | ngmlinux | ? |
| 06:05.22 | ngmlinux | i've made the application |
| 06:05.27 | ngmlinux | and i know where the files need to go |
| 06:05.36 | ngmlinux | but i don't know how to make a .deb that does that |
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| 06:05.48 | Scant | Supaplex thanks a lot for your help so far ;) one last question - i have added http sources for apt by editing it manually, is it possible it is simply not found on any of my mirrors? |
| 06:05.51 | gotcha | ngmlinux: ha in google |
| 06:05.57 | ngmlinux | already done |
| 06:06.02 | ngmlinux | i googled how to make .deb file |
| 06:06.03 | ngmlinux | s |
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| 06:06.11 | ngmlinux | and it's a bunch of people asking the same queistion |
| 06:06.13 | ngmlinux | with no answers |
| 06:06.17 | gotcha | ngmlinux: google how to make a deb? |
| 06:06.24 | ngmlinux | done |
| 06:06.30 | grendal_prime | bascially i have two wireless routers. hardware devices...one is in the garage, and pluged into my linux router the other i want to plug the lan side into the kids computer and have it forwared everything to the box in the garage.(im trying to avoind getting a pcmcia wirelless card) |
| 06:06.32 | ngmlinux | bunch of people with unaswered posts |
| 06:06.33 | gotcha | ngmlinux: so? |
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| 06:06.43 | ngmlinux | i want to see the answer to that question |
| 06:06.48 | gotcha | ngmlinux: I had |
| 06:06.48 | ngmlinux | not the question over and over again |
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| 06:07.00 | nerdy2 | ngmlinux, http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html |
| 06:07.01 | gotcha | ngmlinux: in my bookmarks :) |
| 06:07.08 | bob2 | grendal_prime: yes it's possible, no, your hardware does not neccessarily support it |
| 06:07.17 | bob2 | grendal_prime: if you can put one in "client mode", you win |
| 06:07.18 | Coke | ngmlinux: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 06:07.23 | litage | i have ldap installed on a box called "owl". when ldap starts, it does a lookup on "owl", but fails. how can i get ldap to use /etc/hosts for the lookup? |
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| 06:07.58 | Coke | ngmlinux: if you want it to look like debian packages in content you should also read all the "must read" material on http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 06:08.55 | Coke | litage: just add it and make sure "hosts" in /etc/nsswitch.conf is set to "files" first. |
| 06:09.13 | Coke | litage: by default you should only have to add it to the /etc/hosts file and all lookups should find it. |
| 06:09.14 | nvz | I guess for loops in bash cant be nested I will have to think of another way |
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| 06:09.30 | Coke | nvz: they can't? |
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| 06:09.58 | Coke | nvz: sure they can. |
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| 06:10.03 | myren | nerdy2: the sed magick worked great, thanks |
| 06:10.09 | myren | far simpler than i expected |
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| 06:10.29 | nerdy2 | myren, no prob |
| 06:10.32 | ngmlinux | not all apps in debian are .debs by the way |
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| 06:10.42 | ngmlinux | because you can install from source (./configure make make install) |
| 06:10.48 | ngmlinux | and loose track of your apps |
| 06:10.52 | myren | my friends only whisper hushed tails of sed on the darkest of nights in the hushest of tones, never could have imagined it would jsut work. ;) |
| 06:11.04 | nvz | Coke: I guess not I tried doing like for foo in `seq 10 20`; do for bar in `seq 1 10`; do echo "$foo $bar"; done; done and only got $bar |
| 06:11.17 | bob2 | ngmlinux: all software in Debian is in the form of .debs |
| 06:11.22 | grendal_prime | i would think there would be a way to add a route |
| 06:11.23 | Coke | nvz: I did exactly the same and got both |
| 06:11.26 | grendal_prime | i just dont see it |
| 06:11.29 | bob2 | ngmlinux: not everything on a random Debian system might have come from a .deb |
| 06:11.35 | nvz | Coke: nm syntax error |
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| 06:11.53 | bob2 | grendal_prime: this sounds a lot like a "how do I use $random proprietary hardware?" |
| 06:12.09 | grendal_prime | something like that hehehe |
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| 06:12.16 | Coke | nvz: it looks like your snippet should work |
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| 06:12.23 | grendal_prime | ones a netgear, g the other is a dlink b |
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| 06:12.30 | bob2 | if it's dlink, you're doomed |
| 06:12.33 | grendal_prime | so ya you hit it right on the hed |
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| 06:12.42 | Coke | nvz: your snippet works fine for me too |
| 06:12.49 | nvz | Coke: yeah it does I had actually "$foo$bar" and it didnt like that I had to put something inbetween |
| 06:12.51 | grendal_prime | this dlink has worked pretty damn good actually |
| 06:12.56 | grendal_prime | and the one in this laptop too.. |
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| 06:13.05 | Supaplex | Scant: yes, quite possible. try the main repositories first, switch to a good mirror after the dust settles for you. |
| 06:13.07 | Scant | Supaplex - Commented out CDROM from /etc/apt/sources.list - dont know why it was changing media half way though, but without that it takes it from the net sources listed instead and installed fine. Thanks for your help would have taken way longer anyway :D |
| 06:13.33 | nvz | Coke: actually I had echo "$foo0$bar" with a space or / or something it works fine |
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| 06:13.43 | Coke | nvz: yeah, you might want to consider awk's printf function for better format flexibility |
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| 06:14.04 | Scant | *otherwise |
| 06:14.12 | nvz | Coke: because the second for loop was a seq -w and I needed it to have an extra leading zero that seq didnt seem to want to do |
| 06:14.19 | litage | Coke: "files" is the first option for "hosts" in /etc/nsswitch.conf though, and ldap still fails the lookup on owl |
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| 06:14.48 | nvz | Coke: the range only included up to double digits but I needed a triple digit format |
| 06:14.58 | nvz | Coke: seems to be working fine now |
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| 06:16.05 | nerdy2 | nvz, you can get around that by clever quoting, such as echo "$foo"0"$bar" |
| 06:16.42 | myren | who is james clark and why are his SGML/DSSL engines on my computer |
| 06:16.56 | bob2 | he is a god |
| 06:17.08 | cafuego | no, as he is not me. |
| 06:17.11 | netgod | hehe |
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| 06:17.24 | nvz | nerdy2: yeah I got it with one set of quotes I didnt need them touching like that anyhow I was just test running it as a proof of concept |
| 06:17.37 | netgod | if you dont worship him, you probably dont need those engines |
| 06:17.38 | netgod | knuth and tex are higher gods |
| 06:17.44 | cafuego | there is only one and i am the one and i am undivisible and you shall worship me |
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| 06:17.54 | cafuego | mortal |
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| 06:18.09 | myren | i guess i need to pick up art of cp... i dont understand this knuth worship |
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| 06:18.13 | myren | he seems fairly mortal to me |
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| 06:18.27 | cafuego | Ugh, some filthy goth stole my keyboard. |
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| 06:18.43 | bob2 | they do that |
| 06:18.48 | bob2 | then use it to write bad poetry |
| 06:19.10 | cafuego | like Vogoths |
| 06:19.20 | netgod | heh |
| 06:19.22 | bob2 | they write the 3rd worst poetry |
| 06:19.27 | netgod | LOL |
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| 06:21.23 | `Ku | NO |
| 06:21.31 | `Ku | Why does it do a dumb defult insatll |
| 06:21.33 | `Ku | with out xwindows |
| 06:21.37 | grendal_prime | ok screw this..anyone know of a dodad that plugs into a nick that will act as a wireless birdge? |
| 06:21.47 | nvz | yeah thats way better not only is the bash script doing more specifically what I wanted than firefox, but its doing it with sleeps between gets and longer sleeps between loops which is nicer to the hosts, and still doing it faster. :P |
| 06:21.48 | cafuego | `Ku: it does that because many people don't want X. |
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| 06:22.05 | `Ku | It will not let you pic |
| 06:22.12 | `Ku | WTF |
| 06:22.17 | bob2 | `Ku: sure it does |
| 06:22.21 | cafuego | `Ku: the desktop task contains X. |
| 06:22.26 | bob2 | grendal_prime: it's called an access point |
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| 06:22.31 | bob2 | grendal_prime: (running in client mode) |
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| 06:22.42 | nvz | ah maybe its not doing exactly what I want. but I can fix that shit with another script :P |
| 06:22.42 | `Ku | How do I insatll x |
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| 06:23.08 | grendal_prime | ya but one that is linux friendly..i would assume they all would be..but ido not want to buy some winbound pice of shit |
| 06:23.15 | myren | why does KDE libartsc0-dev require glib? isnt glib GNOME heresay? |
| 06:23.32 | myren | thats frakking weird |
| 06:23.33 | bob2 | grendal_prime: there's nothing it could be unfriendly about |
| 06:23.47 | bob2 | myren: glib is just a very handy C library |
| 06:23.49 | nvz | the format of the data is shitty, but it was in firefox too. this shitty data is easier to fix though |
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| 06:24.00 | `Ku | How do I insatll x? |
| 06:24.01 | grendal_prime | didnt think so...just wanted to make sure, bob2 u recommend one? |
| 06:24.01 | bob2 | I'd rather arts use that than implement their own half-assed versions |
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| 06:24.09 | bob2 | grendal_prime: anythign that you can return |
| 06:24.16 | bob2 | I've been pretty happy with stuff from linksys |
| 06:24.17 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 06:24.19 | nvz | because its my fault this time.. and I can fix my own mistakes easier than someone elses :P |
| 06:24.21 | grendal_prime | staples |
| 06:24.24 | bob2 | `Ku: sudo aptitude install x-window-system-core |
| 06:24.36 | dogmeat | how do i activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option? apt-get upgrade is complaining about Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop... |
| 06:24.42 | `Ku | sudo aptitude? |
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| 06:25.11 | grendal_prime | you missed a step in your upgrade dogmeat |
| 06:25.32 | bob2 | dogmeat: dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 06:25.33 | grendal_prime | you groing from old sarg install to testing or unstable? |
| 06:25.35 | `Ku | That command did not do jack |
| 06:25.39 | bob2 | dogmeat: then try going forward |
| 06:25.44 | bob2 | `Ku: except that it does |
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| 06:25.57 | `Ku | command not found |
| 06:25.57 | bob2 | `Ku: if it gave you an error, perhaps you should tell us what it was, instead of ranting foolishly |
| 06:26.25 | grendal_prime | do you not have aptitude? |
| 06:26.30 | dogmeat | bob2: it is sarge (3.1) |
| 06:26.33 | bob2 | `Ku: shock |
| 06:26.35 | bob2 | `Ku: horror |
| 06:26.39 | bob2 | `Ku: call the army in! |
| 06:26.48 | nerdy2 | `Ku, sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 06:26.52 | bob2 | `Ku: or "apt-get install x-window-system-core" (as root) |
| 06:26.59 | grendal_prime | dogmeat, just do upgrand then and make sure you have sarge in all you sourcelist entrys |
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| 06:27.11 | bob2 | dogmeat: check again |
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| 06:27.16 | grendal_prime | you have old packages that need to be upgraded before you continue |
| 06:27.17 | dogmeat | heh |
| 06:27.17 | Coke | Can't we just recommend Fedora to him? |
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| 06:27.42 | bob2 | dogmeat: the other 4 people with that problem today all ran incorrectly updated versions of testing from > one year ago |
| 06:27.45 | grendal_prime | we could but fedora sucks ass...when you need to upgrade the entire distro later |
| 06:27.47 | myren | what the hell happened to audioscrobbler? they just sold out to last.fm i presume....? |
| 06:28.16 | grendal_prime | its werid...i did the same thing earlyer...is it...like the force is fuckd up today or what? |
| 06:28.18 | rAz_ | I will want to benefit from the package amule in unstable but I have some testing sources which does not exist in unstable. is what that will pourai to pose porblem thereafter if I preserve update testing in an environment unstable? |
| 06:28.50 | `Ku | WTF does not do jack |
| 06:28.53 | `Ku | When I do |
| 06:28.54 | `Ku | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 06:29.02 | `Ku | Tells me E: cant find pacage |
| 06:29.03 | iLL_Afk | myren: been that way for a while I dunno |
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| 06:29.37 | bob2 | `Ku: then your sources.list is fucked |
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| 06:29.41 | myren | i've been gone all usmmer |
| 06:29.48 | litage | Coke: i checked nsswitch.conf, and "files" is the first option for "hosts", but ldap fails to grab owl's ip from /etc/hosts |
| 06:30.24 | Coke | litage: "ldap" fails? what do you mean? |
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| 06:30.36 | `Ku | This is bs I am going back to a system with freeking ports |
| 06:30.37 | litage | Coke: sorry, i meant slapd |
| 06:30.40 | Coke | litage: try the command "host owl" |
| 06:30.47 | `Ku | and were I can do a custom insatll |
| 06:31.21 | vorlon | enjoy. |
| 06:31.24 | myren | the new audiscorbbler/last.fm page is even slower than the old audiscorbbler pages |
| 06:31.31 | grendal_prime | Ku sounds like your whole world is fkd up man |
| 06:31.51 | nerdy2 | yes, because if you screw up the ports system so it doesn't know where to download things, that will be so different |
| 06:32.13 | litage | Coke: `host -v owl` says "connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
| 06:32.23 | Coke | `Ku: perhaps you're better of with Mandrake, Windows or OSX? or perhaps skip the whole computer thingie altogether and go for a Gameboy or X-Box. |
| 06:32.34 | `Ku | I just wasted x2 dvd-r x16 |
| 06:32.37 | Coke | litage: and how do you know the lookup fails? |
| 06:32.45 | vorlon | nerdy2: it would be different because then he could rant pointlessly on some other channel, and if that makes him happy, it makes me happy. |
| 06:33.12 | Coke | `Ku: yes, you defenately want to go with a video game over a computer. |
| 06:33.33 | bob2 | `Ku: perhaps you stop whinging and listen to the help peopel are giving you then? |
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| 06:33.36 | bob2 | `Ku: that'd be novel |
| 06:33.37 | litage | Coke: because slapd sits here for several minutes: http://rafb.net/paste/results/HnShZU46.html |
| 06:33.41 | grendal_prime | ku ya but think of all the fun you got out of it..and if this is not fun for you you need to walk away...cause it dont get an better from here on out |
| 06:33.42 | bob2 | `Ku: something screwed your /etc/apt/sources.list up |
| 06:33.52 | bob2 | `Ku: if you stop bitching, someone could tell you how to fix it |
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| 06:34.25 | Coke | litage: And how does the line in your /etc/hosts look? |
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| 06:34.30 | litage | Coke: might there be something wrong with the box's /etc/hosts ?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/m3m4tp28.html |
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| 06:34.47 | `Ku | E: Couldn't find package x-windows |
| 06:34.56 | `Ku | I got the 2 disk dvd vesion |
| 06:34.59 | bob2 | `Ku: which is not surprising, since no one told you to install that |
| 06:34.59 | litage | `Ku: try x-window-system |
| 06:35.10 | bob2 | `Ku: perhaps you need to tell apt about the two dvds, too |
| 06:35.10 | Coke | NO! |
| 06:35.16 | grendal_prime | ate all the ottepops...my kids are gonna be pissed tomorro...hehehe im going to bed..thanks for the help again bob2 |
| 06:35.22 | bob2 | np |
| 06:35.33 | Coke | Sorry, you CANNOT be illiterate and expect to use Debian |
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| 06:36.06 | bob2 | grendal_prime: (I use a generic d-link AP in client mode to bridge two bits of my network together; it works fine except for havign to reboot it every couple of weeks, and that client mode only works at 11b speeds, even on a 11g network) |
| 06:36.11 | grendal_prime | HEY TAKE THAT BACK IM QUITE STUPID AND I GOT IT WORKN JST FINE |
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| 06:36.29 | Coke | grendal_prime: not you, chum |
| 06:36.30 | `Ku | nothing at all |
| 06:36.33 | grendal_prime | HEHEHE |
| 06:36.47 | VapourBoy | anybody gotten debian on a toshiba satellite m40? |
| 06:36.48 | bob2 | `Ku: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:37.04 | bob2 | VapourBoy: does linux-laptop.net have anythign about it? |
| 06:37.12 | nvz | VapourBoy: if you are going to ask dumb questions use google |
| 06:37.16 | liable | VapourBoy: try tuxmobil, or actually ask your question.. |
| 06:37.27 | VapourBoy | no, I tried but network card driver does not work |
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| 06:37.39 | Coke | `Ku: you know, Mandrake will fix all this for you and more. Like, if you'r sad, Mandrake will make you happy and stuff. |
| 06:37.43 | VapourBoy | however, wireless and modem work quite well |
| 06:38.02 | `Ku | No FreeBSD would make me happy |
| 06:38.05 | litage | Coke: it's *shudder* called Mandriva now, unfortunately |
| 06:38.07 | nvz | thats strange I've used debian for 5 years and never seen a driver called network, wireless, or modem |
| 06:38.09 | `Ku | or OpenBSD |
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| 06:38.17 | bob2 | `Ku: then use it and stop wasting our time trying to help you |
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| 06:38.27 | Coke | `Ku: yes, go with those. they have excellent help in #freebsd and #openbsd respectively. |
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| 06:38.43 | Coke | `Ku: they are soooo much beter than Debian!!!111 |
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| 06:38.56 | liable | VapourBoy: your modem and wireless work? you running debian? :P |
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| 06:39.01 | liable | bah |
| 06:39.03 | Coke | `Ku: like, they are l337 and st00f. |
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| 06:39.28 | nvz | the #freebsd people just repeatedly beat the shit out of me with their 100lb freebsd handbook when I tried freebsd |
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| 06:40.09 | Coke | nvz: we are not getting rid of him unless we all pitch in, c'mon! |
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| 06:40.24 | asmodaiii | hi all |
| 06:40.29 | liable | sheesh, xchat looks shite, after using irssi for a while and going back to it.. |
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| 06:40.45 | nvz | and kawfee was still allowed in here when I decided on debian over freebsd.. and my main reason for choosing debian was because I liked the people more |
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| 06:41.32 | nvz | he used to troll the shit out of me too |
| 06:41.33 | Scant | exit |
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| 06:41.40 | Scant | oops rorry wrong window :P |
| 06:41.40 | nvz | dpkg, exit? |
| 06:41.41 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 06:41.47 | Scant | lol no was logging out |
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| 06:43.05 | Coke | litage: everything looks cool in your hosts file |
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| 06:43.30 | litage | Coke: oops, the first line (#127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost) should be commented out, actually |
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| 06:44.06 | Coke | litage: I don't know why it won't work. check permissions for /etc/hosts |
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| 06:44.13 | nvz | I started learning about open source systems nearly a decade ago, and the communies are what always interested me. I'm the type that learns fast when I am around educated people who dont talk out their ass.. when I heard about debian a few years later, it definatly had a community like no other |
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| 06:44.31 | nvz | the bts, the mailing lists, the IRC channels.. its just seems to never end |
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| 06:45.02 | Coke | nvz: and we want to keep it that way we have to be a bit elitist. |
| 06:45.20 | Coke | nvz: there are plenty of OS' for people like `Ku who can't read nor execute even the simplest of instructions. |
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| 06:45.56 | nvz | Coke: yeah I understand social politics .. heh I am one of the few people who actually understands and learns from people like mwilson |
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| 06:46.14 | litage | Coke: /etc/hosts is chmod'd 646 (a bit strange) |
| 06:46.21 | zoaker | Coke, you are being snobbish and arrogant. anyone, whatever their level of knowledge about debian, should be welcomed here. |
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| 06:46.39 | Gnea | social politics stink like yesterdays skid marks :) |
| 06:46.40 | nvz | he's a bit sharp around the edges but he usually knows to the letter what he's talking about. he knows things I dont and I know how to listen |
| 06:46.45 | zoaker | nvz, you are another snob. |
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| 06:46.49 | nvz | heh |
| 06:46.52 | Coke | zoaker: yes, regarding knowledge and level of Debian, absolutely. regarding level of IQ and literacy? no. |
| 06:46.55 | nvz | zoaker: really? |
| 06:46.57 | nvz | heh |
| 06:47.00 | nvz | no kidding? |
| 06:47.06 | nvz | how can you tell? |
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| 06:47.12 | zoaker | Coke, what's your IQ? |
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| 06:47.44 | Gnea | zoaker: better to be a snob than a corn on the cob |
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| 06:47.53 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 06:48.02 | Coke | zoaker: last time I was tested I scored a mere 125, but I have scored over 140. although, I don't know if weed counts as a performance enhancing drug. |
| 06:48.09 | Coke | zoaker: that's not the point, however. |
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| 06:48.18 | fireba11 | lol |
| 06:48.24 | zoaker | Coke, nvz, stop your elitist nonsense. the way you two think, i think you are a pathetic pair of morons. |
| 06:48.27 | nvz | its mostly because I know less about whats going than most other people who sit here.. and I get bored of just watching everyone talk sometimes |
| 06:48.29 | Coke | zoaker: actualy, I'll take that back, I was wrong; IQ has nothing to do with it, but the _will_ to learn has. |
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| 06:49.18 | zoaker | Coke, learn to be humble first. |
| 06:49.21 | Gnea | !smite zoaker |
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| 06:49.33 | Coke | zoaker: `Ku came in here without any real question and without any real info and started ranting about how Debian sucks. despite this people gave it an effort, he unpolitely refused to read what they said, ranted more about their inability to teach him. |
| 06:49.34 | fireba11 | hehe |
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| 06:49.43 | nvz | when people hit balls into my park and I dont have the whole #debian crew jumping at them before I do, I do pretty good with helping people. |
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| 06:49.50 | Coke | zoaker: I'm telling you: we don't need users like that. |
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| 06:50.28 | Gnea | no kidding, i've seen `Ku say some off-the-wall shiznit, but he doesn't go off the deepend attacking people over it |
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| 06:50.51 | zoaker | Coke, it is not for you or anyone to tell who should or should not be here. for all you know, there are people who may consider you not good enough to be here. |
| 06:51.00 | nvz | you cant change a persons mind all you can do is show them you are not going to tolerate thier shinangans and they will either adjust to fit in or move on. |
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| 06:51.07 | Gnea | zoaker: are you the channel founder? |
| 06:51.22 | zoaker | Gnea, are you? |
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| 06:51.44 | Gnea | zoaker: i asked you a yes or no question, you answered with a question. now please, answer properly. |
| 06:51.46 | Coke | zoaker: probably, by I don't go on about how crappy Debian is. he "threatened" us that he would revert to *BSD because Debian was so crappy, I say "go for it" |
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| 06:51.56 | nvz | fact is if they believe in the same things you do you will eventually coincide.. if not they will eventually realize and move on to something different |
| 06:51.59 | bob2 | come on folks |
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| 06:52.05 | bob2 | people can use whatever they want |
| 06:52.11 | Gnea | that's right |
| 06:52.18 | bob2 | there's only an issue if they're actively wasting someone else's time, or otherwise being a jerk |
| 06:52.20 | nvz | I think thats the point we were making |
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| 06:52.33 | zoaker | Gnea, your answer to my question will contain my answer to your question. |
| 06:52.39 | Coke | hehe. |
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| 06:52.46 | nvz | if someone wants to use something else, they shouldnt be here acting like they want to use debian. |
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| 06:53.05 | Gnea | zoaker: thank you, go smoke your crack elsewhere, considering yourself ignored. |
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| 06:53.17 | zoaker | Coke, Gnea, nvz, just ignore it then. why go to the extend of saying who should or shouldn't be her. |
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| 06:53.30 | peterS | zoaker: if you're embarrassed to answer a question, just saying *nothing* is better than giving cryptic non-answers |
| 06:53.32 | Gnea | heh |
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| 06:53.41 | Gnea | that's not what i was saying |
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| 06:54.23 | zoaker | peterS, my statement is valid. ask Gnea to answer my question. |
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| 06:54.36 | cafuego | peterS: green |
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| 06:54.54 | nvz | I think its more cyan than green |
| 06:54.59 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | hello |
| 06:55.07 | cafuego | be silent, mortal |
| 06:55.11 | Coke | Finally, someone with a sensible nickname! |
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| 06:55.48 | Coke | gfdgfdgfdgfd: greetings, fellow owner of a qwerty-keyboard! |
| 06:55.49 | Gnea | ok, got that ignored proper |
| 06:55.55 | liable | fucks sake |
| 06:55.55 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | hehe |
| 06:56.06 | vorlon | eew qwerty |
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| 06:56.34 | peterS | he probably owns an azerty keyboard actually |
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| 06:56.51 | peterS | well, that's a wild guess, but it's not implausible |
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| 06:57.13 | Coke | gfdgfdgfdgfd: well, what keyboard produced that lovely string of characters you call a nick? |
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| 06:57.17 | cafuego | still joyful joinspamming going on here eh? |
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| 06:57.28 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | its a apple pro keyboard |
| 06:57.28 | Gnea | so, a suse box was successfully replaced with debian today |
| 06:57.30 | nvz | I dont know what an azerty keyboard looks like but on the qwerty gfd are all in a row |
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| 06:57.34 | cafuego | 194.102.171.* seems busy |
| 06:57.36 | liable | must be, just got put in overflow.. |
| 06:57.37 | peterS | cafuego: pr0n links for great justice |
| 06:57.46 | cafuego | peterS: move all "shag" |
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| 06:58.01 | Gnea | gfdgfdgfdgfd: ooo nice, are the keys translucent? |
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| 06:58.10 | Coke | gfdgfdgfdgfd: but is it qwerty?, type six letters from left to right starting to the right of the tab key. |
| 06:58.11 | peterS | cafuego: we got visual |
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| 06:58.17 | nvz | cafuego: busy as an open whore house |
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| 06:58.39 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | Its not translucen,wish it was though |
| 06:58.41 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | :D |
| 06:58.45 | Gnea | :) |
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| 06:58.56 | peterS | gfdgfdgfdgfd: what I really need are transparent fingers, then I could see the keys |
| 06:59.03 | Coke | gfdgfdgfdgfd: well, is it qwerty or azerty, damn it? I _need_ to know. |
| 06:59.03 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | oh wait it is kinda |
| 06:59.07 | cafuego | nvz: azerty is french layout, I believe. |
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| 06:59.36 | peterS | wait ... today isn't Sunday. what is going on here? |
| 06:59.37 | nvz | I spent most of my childhood tearing things apart before they made electronics with translucent cases.. seems now I can just look at roughtly any device and vision whats inside without needing to see it |
| 06:59.45 | Coke | cafuego: I think it's not bound by a country. azerty and qwerty are just two different aproaches. qwerty is supported by many languages, including english and swedish. :) |
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| 06:59.49 | peterS | oh, maybe it's the Eternal September |
| 06:59.55 | cafuego | peterS: probably a full moon or a solar flare |
| 06:59.55 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 06:59.55 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 07:00.27 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | anyone in washington? |
| 07:00.35 | peterS | which washington? |
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| 07:00.43 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | washington state |
| 07:00.45 | liable | prolly a few I would think.. |
| 07:00.53 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | hehe |
| 07:00.56 | Guerin | gfdgfdgfdgfd: several million at least |
| 07:01.01 | liable | whether they are here or not.. |
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| 07:01.08 | Gnea | gfdgfdgfdgfd: i hear there a lot of people there |
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| 07:01.15 | peterS | maybe do a "/who *.microsoft.com" |
| 07:01.20 | nvz | heh |
| 07:01.21 | peterS | those people are probably in washington |
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| 07:01.33 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | im on mac foo |
| 07:01.36 | EdLin | gfdgfdgfdgfd: Bill Gates is in Redmond, Washington. Maybe he can answer your question. |
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| 07:01.36 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | hehe |
| 07:01.38 | Guerin | ooo |
| 07:01.44 | Guerin | that makes you SO much better than wintards |
| 07:01.48 | peterS | they might not all be in #debian, mind |
| 07:01.49 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | i know |
| 07:01.59 | zoaker | heh, this is #debian. |
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| 07:02.29 | clojster | whats wrong in MYSQL in Testing that after upgrade from Sarge the server won't start??? |
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| 07:02.41 | nvz | yeah you spent way more money than they did and got something that looks more like a toy than a pc |
| 07:02.43 | Coke | clojster: we need error messages from the log |
| 07:02.43 | streuner | clojster: BTS? |
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| 07:02.47 | Guerin | the ONLY bad thing about rtorrent is that it takes BLOODY AGES to check existing file hashes |
| 07:02.48 | cafuego | clojster: Why is your server running testing? |
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| 07:02.54 | clojster | ok |
| 07:03.07 | peterS | nvz: that's ok, they make up for being expensive by being slow |
| 07:03.08 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | my mac cost 100 dollars |
| 07:03.19 | nvz | heh |
| 07:03.19 | clojster | /etc/init.d/mysql[20004]: 0 processes alive and '/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in |
| 07:03.28 | clojster | /etc/init.d/mysql[20004]: ^G/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
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| 07:03.29 | peterS | nvz: ...to paraphrase Bill Davidsen (he said it about Itanium) |
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| 07:03.35 | nvz | my 5pcs cost 0 dollars |
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| 07:03.36 | cafuego | clojster: I think (but am not 100% sure) that's a known bug. |
| 07:03.39 | Coke | cafuego: the same reason most of us use testing, probably; we need patches from this decade |
| 07:03.40 | Gnea | cafuego: it's weird - i popped a sarge cd in a system yesterday to install, when it was rebooted it was snagging testing material - didn't even ask me, just did it on its own |
| 07:03.42 | clojster | /etc/init.d/mysql[20004]: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
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| 07:03.48 | cafuego | clojster: downgrade to the previous mysql-server and install 'apt-listbugs'. |
| 07:03.58 | Gnea | i ctrl-c'd that bitch quick |
| 07:04.00 | Guerin | cafuego: stop pasting |
| 07:04.05 | nvz | peterS: isnt Itanium an Intel product? |
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| 07:04.10 | clojster | cafuego: thanks |
| 07:04.11 | streuner | Guerin: 5 minutes usually not more. |
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| 07:04.20 | peterS | nvz: it is. joint Intel and HP, but mainly Intel |
| 07:04.22 | Guerin | streuner: ? |
| 07:04.23 | cafuego | Guerin: Don't make me fly to korea and paste you. |
| 07:04.29 | streuner | Guerin: rtorrent |
| 07:04.32 | Guerin | cafuego: good on ya mate |
| 07:04.47 | nvz | peterS: so you were just borrowing the quote, it bears no direct reference to apple? |
| 07:04.52 | peterS | right |
| 07:04.55 | Guerin | streuner: no way. about a megabyte per second. |
| 07:04.59 | Guerin | reeeeally slow |
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| 07:05.06 | peterS | nvz: Bill Davidsen, May 2002, linux-kernel: "At the moment Itanium is shipping, it makes up for being expensive by also being slow ;-)" |
| 07:05.08 | Guerin | i can download faster than that |
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| 07:05.38 | dreamie | gnea! |
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| 07:06.20 | peterS | "I Jean of Dreamie?" |
| 07:06.22 | happy_broccoli | rsync -rvc seems to build the file list locally, wait until that is done and then build the remote file list. INSTEAD of starting both at the same time,wtf |
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| 07:06.54 | dreamie | where did you get that peter? |
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| 07:07.03 | zoaker | Guerin, are you oz or nz? |
| 07:07.03 | Guerin | zoaker: no |
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| 07:07.17 | peterS | dreamie: an old tv show was named 'I dream of jeannie' |
| 07:07.19 | liable | cuz |
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| 07:07.24 | zoaker | Guerin, Brit? |
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| 07:07.27 | dreamie | i knew that peter |
| 07:07.35 | Guerin | zoaker: no |
| 07:07.35 | peterS | dreamie: so I don't get your question |
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| 07:07.35 | dreamie | but i wonder where did you get the jean |
| 07:07.40 | zoaker | Guerin, yankee? |
| 07:07.44 | cafuego | Guerin: Up to $400 FREE with the 40% matching bonus on your first deposit at the casino. |
| 07:07.46 | dreamie | i jean of dreamie |
| 07:07.51 | dreamie | i am dreamie and who is jean |
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| 07:08.05 | zoaker | Guerin, no yankee should all be asleep now. |
| 07:08.17 | Guerin | zoaker: you can keep guessing as long as you like, I'll respond when you get it right |
| 07:08.19 | peterS | zoaker: what you say |
| 07:08.32 | nvz | hmm why the hell does cut -d . -f 3 have to show things with less than 2 periods in it.. making me format the input :P |
| 07:08.33 | Guerin | cafuego: whee! winnah! |
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| 07:08.45 | zoaker | i think he is either a kangaroo or emu. |
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| 07:09.07 | peterS | zoaker: why would yankees be asleep? it's just after midnight for some |
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| 07:09.27 | cafuego | peterS: government experiment |
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| 07:09.31 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 07:09.34 | Guerin | zoaker: reflect upon the specifics of your questions |
| 07:09.45 | zoaker | peterS, its all about probability. |
| 07:09.49 | dreamie | peterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 07:09.53 | peterS | zoaker: and yet here I am |
| 07:09.54 | dreamie | you never explained |
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| 07:10.06 | tengulre | Hi,all !! I m coming!!!;) |
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| 07:10.16 | zoaker | peterS, in statistics, you are the outlier. |
| 07:10.17 | nvz | maybe I should just use rename and quit being difficult I got files that are 1.3.2 and I want them to be like 1-2.3 or something |
| 07:10.18 | dealt | greetings |
| 07:10.18 | gotcha | hi tengulre |
| 07:10.19 | liable | wow. |
| 07:10.27 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | hello |
| 07:10.30 | peterS | zoaker: but I'm not lying, out or otherwise |
| 07:10.35 | gotcha | tengulre: ... I am out... |
| 07:10.43 | dealt | quick question: if Packages can be found at http://download.opengroupware.org/nightly/packages/debian/dists/sarge/releases/opengroupware-1.0alpha12-ultra/binary-i386/ |
| 07:10.43 | dreamie | peterS is a liar |
| 07:10.57 | gotcha | tengulre: @@ |
| 07:11.00 | peterS | zoaker: anyway, if you take statistics of the world at large, people in #debian are outliers in any number of respects (: |
| 07:11.03 | dealt | what should i put in my source.list? |
| 07:11.17 | sep | dealt, use apt-setup |
| 07:11.22 | peterS | zoaker: not least their bedtimes |
| 07:11.24 | zoaker | Guerin, you are ET? No, gremlin! |
| 07:11.29 | dealt | thanks sep |
| 07:11.35 | sep | dealt, nevermind me didn't read your orginal post |
| 07:11.35 | nvz | dealt: you cant just put any URL into the sources list. |
| 07:11.56 | Guerin | zoaker: dude, i told you to look hard at your questions, and reflect on the fact that I have answered all of them correctly |
| 07:11.58 | sep | dealt, shows you not to use enter all the time in your questions ! |
| 07:11.59 | nvz | dealt: it has to be an actual repository with Release and Package files |
| 07:12.00 | sep | :) |
| 07:12.12 | Guerin | zoaker: there's also winderful things like geoip-bin you can use |
| 07:12.25 | peterS | zoaker: or even whois |
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| 07:12.58 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | hahahaha |
| 07:13.02 | Ruglia | Anyone know of a really good text editor? (one similar to editplus for windows maybe, if anyone has used that). |
| 07:13.09 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | emacs |
| 07:13.15 | zoaker | Guerin, PeterS, i learn something, thks. |
| 07:13.19 | Guerin | Ruglia: emacs is a really, really good text editoe |
| 07:13.21 | Guerin | r |
| 07:13.22 | peterS | zoaker: so where is he? |
| 07:13.24 | asmodaiii | emacs 1+ |
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| 07:13.30 | dreamie | peeeeeeeeetteteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrr |
| 07:13.35 | c_olin | What is 'AppleTalk'? |
| 07:13.35 | dreamie | peeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 07:13.37 | zoaker | Guerin, are you in "who's who"? |
| 07:13.37 | Guerin | Ruglia: i have no idea what editplus is like, but i bet it's not 1% as good as emacs |
| 07:13.47 | Guerin | zoaker: depends which who's who you refer to |
| 07:13.49 | bob2 | c_olin: an old apple network protocol |
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| 07:13.54 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | appletalk is useless now |
| 07:14.03 | c_olin | bob2: how can I make it not run at startup? |
| 07:14.10 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | what os? |
| 07:14.10 | c_olin | I cant find the init scripts |
| 07:14.10 | peterS | c_olin: remove the netatalk package |
| 07:14.14 | bob2 | c_olin: don't install it |
| 07:14.15 | c_olin | oh ok |
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| 07:14.28 | peterS | c_olin: seriously, if you don't have old Macs (pre-OS X) on your network, you don't need it |
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| 07:14.41 | c_olin | ok |
| 07:14.45 | c_olin | thanks |
| 07:14.53 | sep | dealt, read the first 2 lines of the url http://download.opengroupware.org/nightly/packages/debian/dists/ |
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| 07:15.24 | Ruglia | xemacs21 the right thing? |
| 07:15.38 | asmodaiii | Ruglia: exactly |
| 07:15.41 | asmodaiii | emacs21 |
| 07:15.52 | c_olin | Anyone know how to set up a radeon framebuffer on grub? |
| 07:16.07 | Guerin | c_olin: wtf |
| 07:16.13 | bob2 | c_olin: why bother? |
| 07:16.14 | peterS | and I was so sure ruglia was an italian word. but it's not in my dict. |
| 07:16.29 | c_olin | cuz the regular resolution is ugly |
| 07:16.34 | c_olin | makes me feel icky |
| 07:16.45 | zoaker | Guerin peterS, i try to google guerin, and there's a horde out there. next i try 'whois guerin' and there's a bunch, one of which is Irish Michael Guerin. |
| 07:16.51 | Guerin | c_olin: never reboot your computer |
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| 07:16.57 | peterS | zoaker: no no no. whois his IP address |
| 07:17.00 | myren | grub doesnt have frakking framebuffer support |
| 07:17.02 | myren | maniac |
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| 07:17.03 | Guerin | zoaker: well, I'm not irish |
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| 07:17.16 | c_olin | Guerin: I would rather do that.. but it "eats up the power" |
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| 07:17.21 | c_olin | says the parents |
| 07:17.22 | Guerin | no, it does not |
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| 07:17.24 | Guerin | they lie |
| 07:17.26 | zoaker | peterS, how to know his IP address? |
| 07:17.29 | c_olin | convince them that |
| 07:17.29 | dealt | nvz: isnt the url i posted above an actual repository? |
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| 07:17.32 | peterS | Guerin: I guess I should sell Zoaker Inc. short then? |
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| 07:17.45 | nvz | hmm my perl-fu is so weak. can I in one perl expression tell it to name files that are in the format 1.3.2 to 1.2.3 or 1-2.3? I can only thing of s/.3// then putting the .3 back on the end with another rename :P |
| 07:17.46 | peterS | zoaker: that's a top secret IRC secret |
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| 07:17.48 | Guerin | peterS: you're still holding??? |
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| 07:17.58 | nvz | dealt: I dont know I didnt check |
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| 07:18.03 | litage | if "172.168.1.124 owl" is in /etc/hosts, any idea what might prevent `host -v owl` from returning 172.168.1.124? |
| 07:18.04 | jm_ | nvz: sure, with rename |
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| 07:18.07 | Guerin | tell them that, as long as you turn monitors off and spin drives down, power consumption for an idle machine is utterly negligible |
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| 07:18.12 | peterS | nvz: say again? |
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| 07:18.21 | Guerin | c_olin: less, even, than booting the thing up in the morning |
| 07:18.25 | dreamie | someone ask peterS why he is ignoring me |
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| 07:18.37 | peterS | nvz: perhaps you want s/(\d+)\.(\d+)\.(\d+)/$1.$3.$2/ |
| 07:18.48 | TraceGreen1 | hello, peterS |
| 07:18.48 | streuner_ | dreamie: !say foo |
| 07:18.59 | peterS | nvz: $1.$3.$2 means first set of digits dot third set of digits dot second set of digits |
| 07:19.04 | Seb | s/(\d+)\.(\d+)\.(\d+)/$1-$3.$2/ ;) |
| 07:19.12 | nvz | dealt: yeah it is use deb http://download.opengroupware.org/nightly/packages/debian/dists/sarge/releases/opengroupware-1.0alpha12-ultra/binary-i386/ sarge main |
| 07:19.12 | dreamie | !say foo |
| 07:19.13 | dpkg | foo |
| 07:19.16 | vorlon | nvz: s/(\d+)\.(\d+)\.(\d+)/\1-\3.\2/ ? |
| 07:19.16 | nvz | dealt: should work I guess |
| 07:19.24 | streuner_ | dreamie: NOT foo :-) |
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| 07:19.26 | Seb | vorlon: that's sed ;) |
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| 07:19.29 | cafuego | Yay, alpha software :-) |
| 07:19.33 | vorlon | Seb: it's also perl. |
| 07:19.39 | dreamie | what then |
| 07:19.43 | dreamie | !say peters |
| 07:19.44 | dpkg | peters |
| 07:19.46 | Seb | vorlon: didn't know that |
| 07:19.50 | streuner_ | for example |
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| 07:19.56 | peterS | !botabuse |
| 07:19.57 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 07:20.08 | vorlon | but apparently I'm slower at typing backslashes than everyone else here |
| 07:20.17 | streuner_ | peterS: so you hav him on your ignore-list? |
| 07:20.22 | dealt | nfz: 404 not found :( |
| 07:20.24 | streuner_ | s/hav/have/ |
| 07:20.27 | cafuego | I wonder, is there a cmdline tool that has variable sscanf options maybe? |
| 07:20.29 | peterS | streuner_: no, I'm ignoring him cognitively |
| 07:20.29 | gotcha | 287 banned now :( |
| 07:20.30 | dreamie | streuner, its a her |
| 07:20.33 | c_olin | what is the name of the gtk program that manages Debian packages? |
| 07:20.38 | streuner_ | oh |
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| 07:20.47 | cafuego | c_olin: synaptic? |
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| 07:20.59 | c_olin | thanks that was it |
| 07:21.03 | tengulre | why disconnect me?? |
| 07:21.11 | peterS | streuner_: sometimes I do that to people who join a channel, say nothing productive for 10 minutes, send me lots of spam on channel and in /msg, and don't go away |
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| 07:21.32 | gotcha | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.32 | cafuego | speaking of alpha software... beagle is eating 500Mb ram |
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| 07:21.57 | nvz | peterS: would *.*.* match just files with two periods? |
| 07:22.00 | gotcha | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.00 | BusMaster | i am using sarge, and firefox..a website I am using says I need Java..the "install missing plugins" says I need JRE, but that it is not available, and I'm taken to the java website, where Ican download it. Is there a way for me to get it with apt-get? |
| 07:22.03 | Guerin | cafuego: that'll teach you for having 500MB of spare ram |
| 07:22.11 | cafuego | gotcha: Is there some problem? |
| 07:22.11 | peterS | nvz: not as a perl regex. as a file glob, yes |
| 07:22.17 | Guerin | BusMaster: topic |
| 07:22.18 | Zugschlus | BusMaster: you can use java-package to build your own java .deb |
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| 07:22.20 | peterS | nvz: that is, files with *at least* two periods |
| 07:22.22 | dreamie | streuner_, he has been ignoring me for days |
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| 07:22.30 | nvz | peterS: well rename requires a perl regex and a file glob :P |
| 07:22.35 | gotcha | dreamie: me? |
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| 07:22.40 | dreamie | streuner, he doesnt like me. tell him that i am nice and that he has got me all wrong |
| 07:22.40 | peterS | nvz: right, right |
| 07:22.42 | cafuego | Guerin: It's not spare, I'm using 130 MB swap :-P (Admittedly also 350MB as cache) |
| 07:22.43 | nvz | peterS: and yeah some have 2 some only have 1 |
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| 07:23.13 | peterS | nvz: although if the perl regex doesn't match, the file won't be renamed, so if the perl regex already checks for the two dots, the file glob doesn't really have to |
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| 07:23.18 | dreamie | oh well he is gone too |
| 07:23.43 | gotcha | dreamie: ? |
| 07:23.49 | nvz | peterS: so I could just use * I guess |
| 07:23.52 | dreamie | yes gotcha |
| 07:23.56 | peterS | gotcha: the guy talks to himself a lot, it seems, I think you can ignore him |
| 07:24.00 | peterS | nvz: I figure |
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| 07:24.05 | gotcha | dreamie: who? |
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| 07:24.14 | dreamie | gotcha, who what? |
| 07:24.23 | dreamie | gotcha, tell peters that i am not a guy |
| 07:24.30 | bob2 | dreamie: no one cares |
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| 07:24.37 | dreamie | gotcha, tell him to get the facts straight |
| 07:24.38 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | haha |
| 07:24.39 | gotcha | s/guy/gay/ |
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| 07:24.43 | peterS | gotcha: ok, correction, *it* talks to *itself* a lot |
| 07:24.50 | nvz | peterS: hmm rename -n "s/(\d+)\.(\d+)\.(\d+)/$1.$3.$2/" * showed no output |
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| 07:25.24 | gotcha | nvz: @_@~ |
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| 07:25.39 | peterS | nvz: the "" will kill your $1 $3 $2, you want '' |
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| 07:25.41 | dreamie | bob2, just because you dont care doesnt mean others dont |
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| 07:25.50 | jm_ | nvz: (\d+).(\d+) |
| 07:25.51 | bob2 | dreamie: please just leave it |
| 07:25.53 | bob2 | or leave here |
| 07:25.54 | bob2 | your choice |
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| 07:25.57 | nvz | peterS: wait.. the files dont actually contain digits I just used the numbers to indicate that I wanted the tokens between dots switched |
| 07:25.59 | peterS | jm_: no you really do want \. there |
| 07:26.04 | jm_ | peterS: not with perl |
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| 07:26.09 | peterS | nvz: oh, \d+ means sequence of digits |
| 07:26.15 | Guerin | your choice FOR NOW |
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| 07:26.22 | dreamie | gotcha: not true. i am not an *it* either |
| 07:26.27 | peterS | nvz: if you want any-characters-except-dots there... |
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| 07:26.35 | jm_ | peterS: ahh stupid me, I read it as \(\d+\) :) |
| 07:26.46 | nvz | peterS: well 2 sets are numbers one is alpha |
| 07:26.47 | dreamie | gotcha: peterS wants to make it seem as if i dont exist in this world. |
| 07:26.55 | peterS | nvz: 's/([^.]+)\.([^.]+)\.([^.]+)/$1.$3.$2/' |
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| 07:27.15 | peterS | nvz: if you only want a single character for each field, leave out the + signs |
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| 07:27.25 | LightVision | hi |
| 07:27.29 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | ello |
| 07:27.32 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | hello* |
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| 07:27.50 | LightVision | have you all noticed that some website seems to have been able to defeat the firefox popup window stop? Mail.com for example |
| 07:27.58 | nvz | peterS: hmm. I need to learn perl. you just can't seem to get by without it in debian |
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| 07:28.02 | Guerin | LightVision: some are tricky |
| 07:28.05 | Seb | peterS: s/([^.]+.?){3}/$1-$3$.2/ ? |
| 07:28.17 | nvz | heh |
| 07:28.21 | gotcha | nvz: Is perl6 out? |
| 07:28.24 | Seb | peterS: I meant s/([^.]+\.?){3}/$1-$3$.2/ ? |
| 07:28.24 | Guerin | hrm, mimms segfaults on some streams |
| 07:28.25 | peterS | Seb: uh, that could do odd things |
| 07:28.26 | bob2 | LightVision: yes, fixed in more recent firefox versions, it seems |
| 07:28.28 | LightVision | Guerin: yeah |
| 07:28.29 | peterS | gotcha: sorta |
| 07:28.29 | Guerin | that's not pretty |
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| 07:28.43 | peterS | gotcha: I mean not officially, but there is a perl6 interpreter out there you can play with |
| 07:28.44 | LightVision | bob2: whats the latest firefox for Sarge? I thought I had the latest |
| 07:28.55 | nvz | thats the shitty part about perl you can make it look real ugly and still work.. and there are like countless ways to do the same thing |
| 07:28.56 | Seb | Guerin: perl is meant to be ugly :> |
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| 07:29.07 | peterS | gotcha: it's called pugs and is written in haskell |
| 07:29.07 | streuner | LightVision: use binaries out of mozilla.org |
| 07:29.09 | bob2 | LightVision: sarge is not going to have the latest version of firefox |
| 07:29.11 | Guerin | Seb: i know |
| 07:29.26 | dreamie | i noticed that epiphany is really no different from IE |
| 07:29.32 | Seb | nvz: that's why civilized people use python :) |
| 07:29.34 | peterS | Seb: you did *not* mean to end it in $.2 did you? |
| 07:29.36 | LightVision | bob2: how come? |
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| 07:29.43 | gotcha | peterS: parrot? |
| 07:29.47 | Seb | peterS: nah :) |
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| 07:29.57 | peterS | gotcha: parrot is not finished. I don't know the state of parrot |
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| 07:30.00 | LightVision | streuner: so I can download the latest firefox source, compile and install on Sarge? |
| 07:30.05 | peterS | gotcha: pugs is a separate implementation of the perl6 language, without the parrot runtime |
| 07:30.10 | bob2 | LightVision: because sarge froze long ago? |
| 07:30.17 | bob2 | and doesn't get new versions of things (in general) |
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| 07:30.28 | nvz | Seb: well I know python pretty well.. but unfortunatly most gnu and debian tools dont ask for python code |
| 07:30.28 | gotcha | peterS: haha but ... |
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| 07:30.31 | LightVision | bob2: so how can I keep up to date with firefox etc? |
| 07:30.32 | streuner | LightVision: just use the binaries |
| 07:30.36 | peterS | bob2: you know firefox is the lone exception to that rule right? (: |
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| 07:30.46 | nvz | Seb: I would have to completly write my own scripts to emulate functions that already exist |
| 07:30.49 | gfdgfdgfdgfd | get the latest from mozillas ftp server |
| 07:30.52 | Seb | nvz: true |
| 07:30.52 | LightVision | streuner: so I can download the latest firefox source, compile and install on Sarge and it wont break Sarge? |
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| 07:31.04 | bob2 | LightVision: not use sarge if you want the latest version of things |
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| 07:31.07 | bob2 | peterS: heh, yeah |
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| 07:31.12 | streuner | LightVision: no, that wouldn't be debian than too |
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| 07:31.19 | LightVision | peterS: what version are you using on Sarge of firefox? |
| 07:31.24 | peterS | gotcha: perl6 is a language. parrot is a virtual machine on which one implementation of perl6 will run. parrot also supports other frontends for other languages. pugs is a completely independent implementation of perl6, which doesn't use the parrot virtual machine. |
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| 07:31.36 | dreamie | oh any ideas how to reduce the resolution on sarge |
| 07:31.40 | gotcha | peterS: I know :) |
| 07:31.49 | LightVision | bob2: what Debian do you use? |
| 07:31.52 | peterS | gotcha: you seemed to be confused about pugs vs. parrot, I thought I'd try to clear it up |
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| 07:32.01 | gotcha | peterS: just play you :)) |
| 07:32.02 | peterS | LightVision: I don't run firefox and I don't run sarge |
| 07:32.09 | peterS | gotcha: gotcha |
| 07:32.11 | nvz | rename -n spits out a lot of not renamed: .. already exists, seems like it behaves strangly for simulating the action.. it actually renames but tells it to name it the same thing it looks like.. which spits out errors |
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| 07:32.20 | gotcha | peterS: play with you... sorry |
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| 07:32.24 | nvz | usually a no action switch doesnt take an action |
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| 07:32.36 | bob2 | LightVision: sid and sarge |
| 07:32.41 | Seb | nvz: dude, $1-$3.$2 not $1.$3.$2 |
| 07:32.49 | Seb | nvz: told ya twice already ;) |
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| 07:33.13 | nvz | Seb: umm? why? |
| 07:33.19 | peterS | nvz: looking at the source code, rename -n does not do anything except print messages |
| 07:33.28 | bob2 | oh, and one runs woody with a bunch of poorly backports ackages |
| 07:33.29 | Seb | nvz: cause that's the new pattern you want ? |
| 07:33.34 | peterS | nvz: (since it's a simple perl program in /usr/bin, it's easy enough to look at the source) |
| 07:33.37 | Seb | peterS: but it does detect renaming to the same name I assume |
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| 07:33.48 | peterS | Seb: next if $was eq $_; |
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| 07:33.58 | Seb | yup |
| 07:34.01 | peterS | Seb: you can 'less /usr/bin/rename' too you know |
| 07:34.11 | peterS | it's pretty short + sweet |
| 07:34.12 | nvz | that spits out renamed as -. which doesnt look like an error anymore |
| 07:34.13 | Seb | peterS: it's much better when you read it for me, though, heh |
| 07:34.18 | peterS | ha |
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| 07:34.36 | Seb | nvz: you didn't give us the complete patterns of oyur files, though |
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| 07:34.41 | nvz | I dont like the looks of it in either case cause it doesnt fuggin show me what it will do |
| 07:34.50 | Seb | nvz: is there anything trailing/leading that pattern ? |
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| 07:34.52 | peterS | nvz: give an example of a filename before and after, that you want |
| 07:35.02 | peterS | nvz: just so we know we're telling you the right thing |
| 07:35.08 | RainbowW | is there a way to force samba to report a particular netbios name, that's different from hostname? |
| 07:35.16 | nvz | pattern is strictly numeric.alpha.numeric and I want the alpha at the ent, the rest of it I couldnt care less |
| 07:35.20 | peterS | RainbowW: /etc/samba/smb.conf 'netbios name' |
| 07:35.24 | sep | RainbowW, in smb.conf probably |
| 07:35.25 | peterS | RainbowW: as in 'netbios name = foobar' |
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| 07:35.27 | RainbowW | peterS, you're a god :) |
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| 07:35.34 | peterS | RainbowW: I'm also a quasi samba hacker (: |
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| 07:35.55 | bob2 | TNG |
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| 07:36.17 | litage | peterS: ever used swat with samba? |
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| 07:36.25 | Seb | nvz: try rename -n 's/([^.]+\.?){3}/$1.$3.$2/' * ? |
| 07:36.28 | peterS | litage: not really, it's simpler just to write a smb.conf from scratch |
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| 07:36.37 | Pimpi | hi |
| 07:36.40 | RainbowW | peterS, i just want to set up unattended windows installs (yeah yeah, it's crap for work). blah. |
| 07:36.48 | Gnea | peterS: ever used bitdefender? |
| 07:36.53 | peterS | Gnea: no |
| 07:37.05 | dreamie | Gnea! |
| 07:37.09 | Seb | nvz: try rename -n 's/([^\.]+\.?){3}/$1.$3.$2/' * I mean ? |
| 07:37.14 | Gnea | peterS: they lag. no module for 3.0.14a yet. :) |
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| 07:37.21 | nvz | Seb: heh it didnt like that last one |
| 07:37.21 | Seb | nvz: try rename -n 's/([^\.]+\.?){3}/$1.$3.$2/' * I mean |
| 07:37.27 | Gnea | dreamie! |
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| 07:37.55 | dreamie | Gnea, peterS has ignored me and called me an 'it"! isn't that mean of him |
| 07:37.59 | Pimpi | seems i finally need to change from ernel 2.4 to 2.6, are there any traps i should know of or should the 2.6 kernel wprk mostly "out of the box" ? |
| 07:38.04 | LightVision | bob2: you are using 2 different Debians? |
| 07:38.12 | Gnea | dreamie: typical |
| 07:38.16 | LightVision | peterS: what do you run then? |
| 07:38.16 | dreamie | anywas,,, gnea when did you came back |
| 07:38.21 | peterS | nvz: 's/([^.]+)\.([^.]+)/$1.$3.$2/' really should do it. don't know why it wouldn't. let me test |
| 07:38.31 | peterS | LightVision: unstable |
| 07:38.32 | RainbowW | hi gnea |
| 07:38.36 | Gnea | dreamie: not long ago |
| 07:38.39 | Gnea | RainbowW. |
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| 07:38.45 | bob2 | LightVision: I have...4 machines running debian |
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| 07:38.46 | Seb | peterS: nope, groups of ([^\.]) rather |
| 07:38.48 | Erpo | Does anyone know why tmpfs is mounted on /dev? |
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| 07:38.59 | peterS | Seb: why should . need to be escaped inside []? |
| 07:39.00 | jm_ | Erpo: because glibc needs it |
| 07:39.01 | Gnea | Erpo: udev |
| 07:39.01 | LightVision | peterS: I already have sarge installed. so how can I move to using unstable? |
| 07:39.10 | nvz | man its nice to know that you guys suck at perl too |
| 07:39.12 | streuner | LightVision: that's not unusual |
| 07:39.15 | Seb | peterS: it doesn't ? |
| 07:39.15 | peterS | !tell LightVision -about stable->unstable |
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| 07:39.19 | nvz | cause so far I havent gotten anything that works |
| 07:39.31 | Gnea | RainbowW: finally getting away from nfs? :) |
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| 07:39.39 | sep | is there a way of mapping samba/AD uids to my local sarge users uid's, reason is that i have a OpenE-NAS server, authenticating against a w2k AD server, i can mount the nas shares using smbmount -o username,password etc etc , but no matter what uid/gid's i specify the files on the nas is owned by uid's in the 10000-> range and not the uid i specify. how can i access the nas using my regular user. |
| 07:39.40 | peterS | Seb: . does not have any special meaning inside [], iirc. let me double check |
| 07:39.42 | LightVision | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.53 | Seb | peterS: you might ver ywell be right, I was just assuming |
| 07:40.05 | peterS | LightVision: "iyhtays" is "if you have to ask, you shouldn't" |
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| 07:40.15 | Seb | nvz: can you give us one "before" and one"after" ? just an example... |
| 07:40.19 | LightVision | ah ok |
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| 07:40.37 | LightVision | peterS: but can I download the source for latest firefox and compile and install on Sarge? Will that break anything? |
| 07:40.41 | nvz | peterS: yours gets me numeric.alpha.numeric renamed as numeric..alpha.numeric Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at (eval #) line 1. |
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| 07:40.54 | peterS | nvz: weird, let me test |
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| 07:41.07 | mhall | hello all. I was trying to get a frontend for GPG but GPA has a memory allocation / deallocation bugs and dumps core. What are my other good choices? |
| 07:41.09 | LightVision | I just got an email asking me "is it big enough?" lol |
| 07:41.11 | nvz | Seb: yours gets me numeric.alpha.numeric renamed as numeric.. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at (eval #) line 1. |
| 07:41.26 | nvz | the eval # changes with each file matched |
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| 07:41.39 | nvz | but I figure you guys know that |
| 07:41.40 | peterS | nvz: dunno, worked for me: rename 's/([^.]+)\.([^.]+)\.([^.]+)/$1.$3.$2/' * |
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| 07:41.44 | jm_ | mhall: what do you want to use it for? |
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| 07:41.55 | peterS | nvz: I started with a file aaa.bbb.ccc and ended up with aaa.ccc.bbb |
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| 07:41.58 | mhall | jm_: well i just imported my pgp key off a windows box |
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| 07:42.08 | mhall | jm_: and i'm having a hard time getting it to accept the key as my own |
| 07:42.18 | peterS | !tell LightVision -about stable->testing |
| 07:42.21 | peterS | maybe that'll be more useful |
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| 07:42.22 | mhall | jm_: but since it's on keyservers the world over i can't just dump it |
| 07:42.23 | nvz | peterS: yeah that works |
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| 07:42.32 | mhall | jm_: so i'm hoping for a key manager dialog box |
| 07:42.45 | peterS | nvz: a typo at either my end or your end, before, then. 'cause that's what I thought I told you the first time (: |
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| 07:43.02 | jm_ | mhall: ahh key management, there's also kgpg and python-gnupginterface |
| 07:43.02 | Seb | heh |
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| 07:43.13 | Seb | peterS: aren't regexes always like that ? ;) |
| 07:43.15 | Erpo | Where can I get a handle on this new linux device thing? I understood static /dev, but now there's udev, and hal, and devfs, and a whole bunch of new stuff. I'm mostly interested in figuring out how Debian Testing thinks it's working. |
| 07:43.29 | nvz | peterS: I am not typing I am copying :P on another note seb's stuff copies and pastes.. everytime I copy your line I have to click the middle button more than once before it would paste for some reason |
| 07:43.29 | bob2 | devfs is long dead |
| 07:43.30 | peterS | Seb: inviting typos nobody will ever notice? yeah |
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| 07:43.47 | bob2 | udev is a daemon that gets evebts from the kernel and creates devices nodes in /dev |
| 07:43.48 | Seb | peterS: nah, the "that's what I thought I meant the first time" syndrome :D |
| 07:43.50 | peterS | bob2: where "long" is "since 2.6.13 came out"? (: |
| 07:43.52 | usn | hi folx |
| 07:44.01 | SvperPhly | hey, where does a default "awstats" put it's info? |
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| 07:44.16 | Seb | SvperPhly: dpkg -L awstats ? |
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| 07:44.23 | vorlon | peterS: just because it was movin' around doesn't mean it wasn't dead |
| 07:44.24 | SvperPhly | i mean what it runs |
| 07:44.31 | peterS | vorlon: now that's a good point |
| 07:44.31 | SvperPhly | Seb: the output |
| 07:44.32 | bob2 | peterS: it went from EXPERIMENTAL to DEPRECATED |
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| 07:44.57 | peterS | vorlon: btw, do we owe this rather sudden influx of debian developers on this channel over the past few days to -private? |
| 07:44.59 | Seb | SvperPhly: the log ? |
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| 07:45.08 | vorlon | peterS: what influx? |
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| 07:45.20 | vorlon | peterS: I have always been here. |
| 07:45.27 | nvz | I need to learn some perl if I had wanted my numerics padded or something more complex I would be fucked |
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| 07:45.33 | SvperPhly | the output... awstats generates a bunch of html for me to review my logs |
| 07:45.35 | bob2 | and always been at war with eastasia |
| 07:45.37 | peterS | vorlon: well, that's exaggerating, but there are three or four of you I didn't remember having heard from here before |
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| 07:45.57 | vorlon | peterS: bah, it's not exaggerating, it's quoting. |
| 07:45.59 | Pimpi | seems i finally need to change from kernel 2.4 to 2.6, are there any traps i should know of or should the 2.6 kernel wprk mostly "out of the box" ? |
| 07:46.02 | Seb | SvperPhly: well read the doc for it, man |
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| 07:46.16 | peterS | vorlon: I meant my use of the word 'influx' was a slight exaggeration |
| 07:46.16 | bob2 | Pimpi: be able to get at it without a network connection |
| 07:46.20 | vorlon | peterS: anyway, I'm surprised you have to ask that, the fact that there's been a thread on -private has been discussed extensively |
| 07:46.20 | bob2 | interfaces might get reordered |
| 07:46.27 | vorlon | peterS: ah. |
| 07:46.37 | peterS | vorlon: anyway, maybe all of you were lurking before, but it seems a few of you are a lot more vocal these days |
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| 07:46.53 | vorlon | I dunno, I think influx can be used to correctly describe any fluid motion, regardless of quantity |
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| 07:46.58 | Pimpi | bob2: ty |
| 07:46.58 | peterS | heh, perhaps |
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| 07:47.50 | Seb | k, good night yall |
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| 07:48.40 | nvz | I never realized it before but Katie got scary looking eyes. |
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| 07:49.20 | mhall | jm_: dude, kgpg rules! thanks |
| 07:49.20 | peterS | nvz: which katie would this be? I found myself in a room with, among many others, three katies, last sunday night. oddly enough, it wasn't freaky |
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| 07:49.33 | vorlon | peterS: in fact, the -private thread triggered my most recent arrival on channel, but I've stuck around because I've been surprised to find the climate here much better than it's been during my previous visits. |
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| 07:49.58 | mhall | peterS: lollercoaster |
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| 07:50.21 | nvz | peterS: katies-world.com katie.. the model she's been all over the web for like the past 6 years. I just went back and checked out her new site.. haven't seen her in like 5 years |
| 07:50.25 | mhall | the private thread, i keep hearing stories |
| 07:50.26 | jm_ | mhall: hehe never used it, I only use tkpgp |
| 07:50.27 | peterS | vorlon: I hope you can convey this to whoever is talking smack about us in there. since, y'know, most of the channel regulars can't defend ourselves there |
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| 07:50.48 | mhall | jm_: it's a great deal like the windows version was |
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| 07:50.53 | mhall | jm_: not that that's good or bad |
| 07:51.02 | vorlon | peterS: nah, the only thing I'm conveying is "we should strap bob2 to a chair in front of a computer running irssi in single-user mode, and pin his eyelids open" |
| 07:51.04 | nvz | peterS: last time I saw her I wasnt looking at her eyes.. but well she's been doing more non-nude stuff lately so I took notice |
| 07:51.06 | mhall | jm_: but at least predictable enough for me to be able to trust myself |
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| 07:51.21 | peterS | vorlon: right, not a bad idea, that |
| 07:51.25 | tchize | Hello everyone! |
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| 07:51.35 | peterS | nvz: never 'eard of 'er |
| 07:51.39 | tchize | I'he got some strange problem with my debian here |
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| 07:52.06 | js_ | if ive software raid1'd a device thats 30gb with another one thats 20gb, i got 10gb left on the first device.. is it possible to use that space somehow? |
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| 07:52.21 | peterS | nvz: so far katies-world.com seems to be all Flash and no site |
| 07:52.52 | peterS | js_: yes, if you created appropriate-sized partitions |
| 07:52.54 | bob2 | js_: you could make it a seperate partition |
| 07:53.05 | peterS | js_: if you created a 30 GB partition on the one disk, or didn't create a partition at all, then no |
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| 07:53.32 | Draal | What the heck is up with overflow? |
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| 07:53.50 | js_ | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 07:53.50 | tchize | Processs sheduling problem: hope i can get help. My system is laggy, top report both cpus are about 90% used by user processes in continuous but the process list show just 5 or 6 running processes for a totalbe of about 20% cpu times used, i am trying to located *what* is using up all my cpu time :( |
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| 07:53.52 | nvz | peterS: she's probably filthy rich by now.. I hadn't noticed it was flash I have it installed try http://www.katies-world.com/port06.htm or such can substitute 6 with any number 1-6 |
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| 07:54.06 | js_ | peterS: does it affect performance to create partitions instead of full drives? |
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| 07:54.23 | peterS | js_: no. it's preferred in fact. for one thing it freaks out your tools a lot less. |
| 07:54.25 | bob2 | vorlon: only if you're responsible ofr the ensuiing slayings |
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| 07:54.54 | Draal | Hello.. I'm trying to install Debian on a non-networked/isolated from the internet machine.. And was curious if there was a way to preload selected packages onto a CD? |
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| 07:55.06 | Draal | 15 CD Set isn't practical.. And I don't have access to the DVDs |
| 07:55.16 | bob2 | Draal: download packages. use debian-cd or apt-zip to make a repository. burn to cd. |
| 07:55.19 | js_ | peterS: i see, ok... so i guess i'll reinstall now and use partitions in the raid setup thing instead.. the problem is that i don't have a swap, so i figured it would be groovy if i could take some space from that mirror somehow |
| 07:55.23 | js_ | peterS: or do i need a reinstall? |
| 07:55.26 | Gnea | Draal: you're SOL then |
| 07:55.33 | Draal | SOL? |
| 07:55.39 | Gnea | shit outta luck |
| 07:55.41 | Draal | bob2; Is there a way to do that through windows? |
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| 07:55.51 | Draal | Gnea; Thanks |
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| 07:56.01 | Gnea | Draal: np - seriously, snag the cd's |
| 07:56.12 | Gnea | Draal: that's the only practical way |
| 07:56.15 | Draal | Gnea; Is there a free CD service for Debian? |
| 07:56.22 | Draal | I have a bunch of Ubuntu CD's.. |
| 07:56.22 | peterS | js_: technically it's possible to redo your raid partitions without reinstalling, but it's kind of tricky and I don't want to try and talk you through it over irc |
| 07:56.26 | Draal | Don't like gnome though |
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| 07:56.31 | Gnea | Draal: not free, it'll cost to ship |
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| 07:56.43 | Draal | Gnea: Just shipping? Where? |
| 07:56.45 | bob2 | Draal: someone at your lug is almost certainly happy to burn it for you |
| 07:56.58 | js_ | peterS: it's possible even on the root filesystem? |
| 07:57.01 | peterS | nvz: all flash, all the time. and I don't mean the girl. the gallery page itself is regular html but each individual gallery is same ol same ol |
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| 07:57.15 | peterS | js_: with some skill, yes |
| 07:57.15 | Draal | bob2: My dorm is on a five gig per month limit.. I was forced to use dialup because I already exceeded mine! |
| 07:57.16 | Gnea | Draal: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 07:57.16 | nvz | peterS: the site really cleaned up since I last seen it. all the nude or partial nude things were "removed" but if you are clever enough you will notice only they are still there the links were just removed |
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| 07:57.38 | Draal | nvz; Porn on debian? |
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| 07:58.01 | nvz | peterS: pics are http://www.katies-world.com/portfolio/gallery[20-116]/0[01-16].jpg roughly |
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| 07:58.19 | nvz | Draal: she really doesnt do much nudity anymore, doesnt have to.. |
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| 07:58.39 | nvz | Draal: got to make a name for youself somehow eh :P |
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| 07:58.49 | nvz | Draal: if I had some tities I would too |
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| 07:59.05 | nvz | good for her |
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| 08:00.07 | nvz | her eyes scare me |
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| 08:00.22 | tchize | If someone know a bit about process management under debian or linux in general, could enlight me ont the strange results i get here: http://tinypic.com/dg09qx.png |
| 08:00.34 | Angel-SL | help |
| 08:00.36 | Angel-SL | how do i recover my password? |
| 08:00.40 | Angel-SL | i lost the root password too |
| 08:00.41 | Draal | Gnea; There is no volunteer service to get CD's out there? |
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| 08:00.54 | Draal | I did the same thing for Gutenberg for a bit.. |
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| 08:00.57 | Gnea | Angel-SL: did you reboot? |
| 08:00.58 | Draal | Surprised Debian doesn't |
| 08:01.10 | nvz | I need to ask her if she wears contacts that make them look like that or if thats natural |
| 08:01.11 | bob2 | you're welcome to start one |
| 08:01.14 | Gnea | Draal: i just gave you the url to it! |
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| 08:01.15 | Angel-SL | Gnea: will that helo?? |
| 08:01.17 | bob2 | it's too easy to get CDs fro myour lug |
| 08:01.17 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: boot with init=/bin/bash, mount your file systems manually and reset the password |
| 08:01.19 | Angel-SL | help*? |
| 08:01.25 | Gnea | Angel-SL: PROBABLY |
| 08:01.28 | Gnea | oops |
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| 08:01.37 | Gnea | sorry, didn't realize caps was on |
| 08:01.38 | Draal | Gnea; Thought those were paid.. Ah... |
| 08:01.52 | Angel-SL | how??? |
| 08:01.59 | Gnea | Draal: ain't no such thing as a free lunch |
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| 08:02.10 | Angel-SL | i just installed debian and lost all my usernames and password |
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| 08:02.25 | bob2 | Angel-SL: Zugschlus told you how to fix it |
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| 08:02.28 | Gnea | then it's gone unless you made a backup |
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| 08:02.48 | Zugschlus | Gnea: please refrain from giving bogus advice |
| 08:02.52 | Angel-SL | Zugschlus: how do i boot withthat? |
| 08:03.09 | tchize | Angel-Sl: at lilo prompt type "linux init=/bin/sh" you'll get a command line but half of system not working, should be enough to remount rewrite root filesystem and then change password |
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| 08:03.11 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: do you know how do give boot parameters to thr kernel? |
| 08:03.11 | Gnea | Zugschlus: that's not bogus. |
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| 08:03.25 | Zugschlus | Gnea: it is. Resetting passwords is trivial if you have physical access to the box |
| 08:03.31 | Gnea | Zugschlus: back off. |
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| 08:03.48 | Gnea | Zugschlus: exactly, *IF*. |
| 08:03.54 | Angel-SL | tchize: i don't use lilo |
| 08:04.01 | tchize | grub? |
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| 08:04.04 | Angel-SL | yes |
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| 08:04.16 | tchize | sorry, don't know grub :) |
| 08:04.22 | Angel-SL | augh |
| 08:04.23 | tchize | but should be something similar |
| 08:04.25 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: reboot, and in the grub menu, hit "E" instead of enter on the kernel entry you want to boot |
| 08:04.30 | Angel-SL | use therecovery mode |
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| 08:04.45 | Angel-SL | maybe that will help :O |
| 08:04.48 | Angel-SL | ;'( |
| 08:04.50 | Zugschlus | then select the "kernel" line, hit "E" again, and then add "init=/bin/bash" to the command line |
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| 08:04.56 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: no, it woN#t |
| 08:05.03 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: recovery mode will ask for the root pw |
| 08:05.09 | tchize | Can someone help me locate a cpu hungry process on my linux box? :( |
| 08:05.19 | Maulkin | tchize: use 'top' :) |
| 08:05.23 | enyc | tchi: run 'top' ;-) |
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| 08:05.27 | Angel-SL | i cant reboot. |
| 08:05.30 | Zugschlus | Gnea: if in doubt, I assume that a freshly installed box is physically accessible |
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| 08:05.36 | sandwitch | or htop |
| 08:05.37 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: why can't you? |
| 08:05.44 | Gnea | tchize: top, then 's' .5 |
| 08:05.46 | tchize | maulkin: already did use top, but it's results are quite .... strange! |
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| 08:05.58 | Angel-SL | requires root pass to; i lost everything |
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| 08:06.01 | Gnea | Zugschlus: fine, then make an ass out of yourself. |
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| 08:06.13 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: Ctrl-Alt-Del will shut down the box cleanly |
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| 08:06.35 | Maulkin | tchize: Ok... the bit tht keeps refreshing with lots of columns. Ya see that? |
| 08:06.35 | tchize | see by yourself what top tells me: http://tinypic.com/dg09qx.png |
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| 08:06.48 | nvz | :P |
| 08:06.48 | Zugschlus | Gnea: ok, so what's your advice to Angel-SL? "Everything lost, reinstall"? |
| 08:06.57 | peterS | nvz: ha |
| 08:07.04 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:07.13 | Gnea | Zugschlus: no, your advice is right, your attitude is what sucks ass. |
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| 08:07.16 | peterS | nvz: hard to navigate a site via regex |
| 08:07.19 | tchize | maulkin: prob is top tells mes 90% cpu used for user process but list of user process show conflicting results :) |
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| 08:07.33 | peterS | nvz: some nice shots though, and I don't know what you were saying about eyes, they're not at all odd |
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| 08:07.40 | Zugschlus | Gnea: explain |
| 08:07.42 | Angel-SL | Zugschlus: doesnt help :'( |
| 08:07.52 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: what does the box do when you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del? |
| 08:07.57 | Angel-SL | nothing |
| 08:08.00 | Gnea | Zugschlus: not worth it. |
| 08:08.03 | tchize | in other word, processes are not using more than 10%cpu but the system lags like hell |
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| 08:08.19 | Angel-SL | i'm crying right nowwwwwwwww |
| 08:08.22 | enyc | tchi: well what are you doing and what seems to be taking all the cpu [?] |
| 08:08.27 | nvz | peterS: heh. well thats what you get for not installing flash :P I dont know she's got a stare that just looks right through me. I belive eyes are like a window to your soul... |
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| 08:08.28 | tchize | and top claims my process are using 90% cpu, on each cpu!!! |
| 08:08.31 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: are you in an X session? |
| 08:08.44 | Angel-SL | Zugschlus: in the login |
| 08:08.51 | tchize | enyc that's what i'd like to know |
| 08:08.58 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: ok, first use Ctrl-Alt-F1 to return to a text screen. Then, Ctrl-Alt-Del should work |
| 08:09.00 | enyc | tchi: too many p[rocesses running all at once thrashing the L2-cache [?] |
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| 08:09.09 | peterS | nvz: I dunno, her eyes are pretty but not in an unsettling way |
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| 08:09.20 | tchize | enyc: that just appeared after i came back to work this morning seems after 2 days idle my debian box is crawling like hell |
| 08:09.33 | vorlon | bob2: slayings are fine, I'm a citizen of a country that isn't answerable to the Hague |
| 08:09.35 | nvz | peterS: they are just so big and bright.. and she's dark haired and all.. its just unsettling to me |
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| 08:09.57 | Zugschlus | tchize: just to be sure, did you run chkrootkit recently? |
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| 08:10.22 | Angel-SL | Zugschlus: i got to the grub command line |
| 08:10.23 | Zugschlus | The time of CPU spent in user space _should_ be traceable to a process in the process list |
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| 08:10.44 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: that's not what I meant. Reboot again and hit "e" instead of "c" |
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| 08:11.14 | tchize | <Zugschlus> does chkrootkit need to be run on a clean system to compare result for infected system after? |
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| 08:11.30 | Angel-SL | ok |
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| 08:11.35 | Angel-SL | i see a list of things |
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| 08:12.23 | Angel-SL | Zugschlus: got it |
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| 08:12.26 | Zugschlus | tchize: no |
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| 08:12.43 | nvz | peterS: my calculations she's at least 24 by now considering her site was pretty much all nude like 5 years ago. Though now that its completly transformed I'd say she's probably filthy rich now and realized she doesnt have to do that anymore |
| 08:12.43 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: so you not have three lines in the meno? "root", "kernel" and "boot"? |
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| 08:12.52 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: if so, select the "kernel" line and hit "e" again |
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| 08:13.03 | Angel-SL | no |
| 08:13.06 | peterS | nvz: ah, no clue. like I said I'd never heard of her |
| 08:13.09 | Angel-SL | five |
| 08:13.24 | Zugschlus | but one says "root" and one says "kernel"? |
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| 08:13.28 | Angel-SL | yes |
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| 08:13.44 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: select the "kernel" line and hit "e" again |
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| 08:14.03 | Angel-SL | grub edit |
| 08:14.14 | Zugschlus | good. does the line already have an "init=" clause? |
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| 08:14.30 | Angel-SL | no |
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| 08:14.45 | Zugschlus | ok, add " init=/bin/bash" at the end of the line |
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| 08:15.11 | Angel-SL | done |
| 08:15.12 | tchize | shit this chkrootkit install takes a hell of a time to install |
| 08:15.23 | nvz | peterS: you've got to admire longivity and the ability to adapt in that sort of business.. not many people last very long. she's had her own personally governed site for like 6 years now. she didnt even need to suck off heffner or anyone. |
| 08:15.27 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: enter, and then "b" to boot |
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| 08:15.55 | peterS | nvz: maybe. but it doesn't take *that* much to keep a site on the air |
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| 08:16.11 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: do you have a shell now? |
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| 08:16.34 | meppl | good morning |
| 08:16.47 | Angel-SL | Zugschlus: no |
| 08:16.49 | SvperPhly | easist way to empty a file? |
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| 08:16.56 | Angel-SL | still the GDM |
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| 08:17.09 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: it booted you into a normal system? |
| 08:17.14 | Angel-SL | yep |
| 08:17.17 | Zugschlus | fsck |
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| 08:17.26 | Zugschlus | looks like something went wrong then |
| 08:17.34 | Angel-SL | but |
| 08:17.38 | Zugschlus | <= didn't do that procedure for a long time |
| 08:17.43 | tchize | chkrootkit running comp is even more slow :) |
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| 08:17.53 | nvz | peterS: I've seen many especially now that modeling is such a growing industry they practically have fetuses modelling now through ultrasound pictures, that just dont last even half a year. most probabyl dont make it past paying to put a portfolio together |
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| 08:18.04 | Angel-SL | i'd waste bandwith installing it aaaggggaaaiiinnn |
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| 08:18.20 | Angel-SL | !passwordrecover |
| 08:18.24 | rza | how do i suppress form feed in cups? |
| 08:18.29 | peterS | nvz: perhaps. it's not a world I keep track of. watching zoolander is the closest I've ever come to knowing the modeling industry |
| 08:18.35 | streuner | tchize: try rkhunter |
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| 08:18.46 | Angel-SL | nvz: do you know how to reset the root password? |
| 08:18.48 | nvz | peterS: I'm not much into slut puppies, but seeing what she's done with herself over the years I'm quite impressed with her success |
| 08:18.52 | nvz | Angel-SL: sure |
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| 08:18.58 | peterS | nvz: well, I used to work in the modeling industry actually, but it was the 3D engineering type of modeling |
| 08:19.00 | nvz | Angel-SL: you will need to first become root |
| 08:19.11 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:19.20 | nvz | peterS: heh |
| 08:19.22 | Angel-SL | nvz: bt i need to know bea\cause i lost it |
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| 08:19.28 | liable_ | !i forgot root's password |
| 08:19.29 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 08:19.32 | Zugschlus | nvz: the init=/bin/bash trick should usually work |
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| 08:19.59 | nvz | Angel-SL: right well first you need to become root which you can do without a password by bypassing the login at boot |
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| 08:20.16 | tchize | <streuner> on thing at a time |
| 08:20.19 | nvz | Zugschlus: I know. I am not the cluebie asking about it I am the long time user answering the question |
| 08:20.28 | Zugschlus | Angel-SL: dpkg's advice is basically the same I have given |
| 08:20.28 | Zugschlus | so, try again. |
| 08:20.30 | streuner | tchize: sure |
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| 08:20.50 | Angel-SL | Zugschlus: i think i figured the password out |
| 08:20.56 | Angel-SL | i logged in as root :D |
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| 08:21.05 | Zugschlus | nvz: sorry, I mistyped |
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| 08:22.09 | nvz | Gnea: heh |
| 08:22.09 | Gnea | :) |
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| 08:22.10 | nvz | Gnea: I've been on freenode for about 5 years, and I've never ignored anyone |
| 08:22.10 | nvz | I dont plan on starting now |
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| 08:22.26 | Gnea | nvz: some people are worth it |
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| 08:23.14 | nvz | Gnea: na. I will overpower them psycologically and make them leave or else they will just get themselves kicked |
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| 08:23.25 | Gnea | lol |
| 08:24.10 | Gnea | egads |
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| 08:24.23 | nvz | I used to yahoo from the time I was about 12 until porn freaks swarmed the network.. and after that I realized people gather in yahoo chatrooms to sit there and iggy bin one another.. and its utterly pointless. |
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| 08:24.59 | nvz | I joined #debian because I for the most part want to discuss the channel topic.. and if I am doing all this blah blah blah and someone already said what I am going on about I am just looking like an idiot |
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| 08:25.09 | liable_ | iggy bin? |
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| 08:25.19 | nvz | ignorance in a moderated topic based chat like this really isnt nessicary |
| 08:25.21 | Fleck | help - proftpd Deny All delete files and directories... ? |
| 08:25.30 | nvz | liable_: thats what the idiots on yahoo call /ignore |
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| 08:25.38 | Gnea | Fleck: it can |
| 08:25.38 | liable_ | oh. |
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| 08:25.45 | nvz | liable_: then they publicly announce to everyone that they are putting you there |
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| 08:25.58 | rza | suppress form feed, cups, anyone? |
| 08:25.59 | Fleck | Gnea <LIMIT <what goes here?>> |
| 08:26.04 | stockholm | nvz: there might be better channels to discuss debian. |
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| 08:26.14 | LightVision | Im runnign Sarge and downloaded latest firefox source! how do I compile and install it now? Do I type ./configure followed by "make" ? |
| 08:26.16 | stockholm | nvz: this channel is too full to be really usefull |
| 08:26.16 | nvz | liable_: sit in a yahoo chat room for a few minutes and try to carry on a civilized conversation you will eventually be talking to yourself |
| 08:26.19 | tchize | nothing to notice on chkrootkit |
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| 08:26.41 | liable_ | nvz: hmm, dont think I really want to do that :) |
| 08:26.58 | nvz | stockholm: you just have to learn how to roll with the flow.. it is often anything but debian discussion but you just have to know how to socialize with such a large group of people. |
| 08:27.08 | Gnea | Fleck: you sure it's <LIMIT > ? |
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| 08:27.13 | Fleck | nope |
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| 08:27.20 | Gnea | well why not? :) |
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| 08:27.33 | Fleck | i think <LIMIT DELE RMD XRMD> |
| 08:27.36 | Angel-SL | how do i configure X? |
| 08:27.37 | nvz | I for one know enough about it to use my off-topic rants to learn about the people I hang out with here every day |
| 08:27.45 | Angel-SL | !x |
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| 08:28.00 | Gnea | Fleck: it's a limit construct, it will limit whatever you tell it to - have you read www.proftpd.org? |
| 08:28.05 | tchize | Ok i' bet i'll try to log out my kde and see if it gets better |
| 08:28.07 | streuner | Angel-SL: xfree? |
| 08:28.09 | nvz | if I just acted like a debian info bot I would never know what kind of people I am working with |
| 08:28.15 | Fleck | Gnea i am reading right now :p |
| 08:28.34 | Angel-SL | streuner: yea i think |
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| 08:28.39 | bibe | Angel-SL : 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' (as root) |
| 08:28.40 | Angel-SL | sarge |
| 08:28.40 | Gnea | Fleck: oh very cool. :) what do you want to limit, exactly? |
| 08:28.43 | streuner | !drxx Angel-SL |
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| 08:28.45 | dpkg | Angel-SL: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 08:28.50 | LightVision | do I have to uninstall firefox before installing the latest version? |
| 08:29.12 | Gnea | LightVision: no, just apt-get update && apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 08:29.19 | nvz | I rarely ever say anything that hasnt been calculated to some degree to gain some significant kind of knowledge in return.. not just here but anywhere I communicate. |
| 08:29.25 | streuner | LightVision: just remove it and install the binaries |
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| 08:29.40 | LightVision | Gnea: yes but I downloaded source for Firefox 1.0.6 as Sarge wont do it |
| 08:29.40 | Fleck | Gnea i have user in /ftpusers/user1 |
| 08:29.41 | nvz | usually without the other party realizing what I will gain from it |
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| 08:29.55 | LightVision | streuner: Im runnign Sarge and downloaded latest firefox source! how do I compile and install it now? Do I type ./configure followed by "make" ? |
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| 08:30.09 | vorlon | nvz: I may possibly be disturbed by the implication that "hang out on Yahoo" has some meaning that applied when you were 12. |
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| 08:30.11 | Fleck | and i whant user1 allow to write and store files bot dissalov to delete files/folders |
| 08:30.18 | Gnea | LightVision: uhm, i'm runnign 1.0.6, but then i'm not in sarge - get a backport |
| 08:30.20 | streuner | LightVision: speaking of source isn't firefox-1.0.6.bin |
| 08:30.20 | Gnea | !backport |
| 08:30.20 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 08:30.22 | Fleck | *dissalow |
| 08:30.34 | bibe | LightVision : no need to reinstall the binaries, simply 'apt-get update && apt-get install mozilla-firefox' and you will have a 1.0.6 version (except for the Debian version number) |
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| 08:30.41 | peterS | nvz: don't take yourself so seriously. I see you talk all the time in ways that are clearly not about self-education |
| 08:30.44 | liable_ | !info firefox sarge |
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| 08:30.47 | nvz | vorlon: I dont remember specifically how young I was when I first logged on to yahoo. |
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| 08:30.49 | streuner | he's using sarge... |
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| 08:31.02 | LightVision | bibe: not with Sarge |
| 08:31.03 | liable_ | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
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| 08:31.07 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 08:31.09 | streuner | liable: 1.0.4 |
| 08:31.24 | peterS | streuner: or 1.0.6, depending on how you count it |
| 08:31.28 | LightVision | is it safe to install firefox 1.0.6 on Sarge? |
| 08:31.32 | streuner | peterS: heh? |
| 08:31.34 | peterS | LightVision: why do you want to? |
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| 08:31.36 | liable_ | yeah, thought it got upgraded due security.. |
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| 08:31.45 | nvz | peterS: yeah I will often say things just to distract flames or maybe just to share a random bit of information to educate people on what they are dealing with.. which is the stranger that is nvz |
| 08:31.52 | LightVision | peterS: because old version allows some pop ups to open |
| 08:31.55 | bibe | LightVision : why not? it's a 1.0.6 disguised as a 1.0.4 (for stable policy with releases' numbers) |
| 08:32.08 | LightVision | peterS: the latest firefox has stopped the new pop up window defeats |
| 08:32.12 | nvz | you couldnt tell the difference between nvz and a stranger, cause they just dont get any stranger than nvz. :) |
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| 08:32.21 | bibe | LightVision : try /msg dpkg sarge firefox |
| 08:32.31 | peterS | LightVision: maybe you should subscribe to debian-security-announce and put security.debian.org in your /etc/apt/sources.list, hmm? |
| 08:32.33 | john | if i post a screenshot link, can somebody maybe identify the system monitor up in the right hand corner(top right hand)? |
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| 08:32.44 | peterS | streuner: you should subscribe to debian-security-announce too |
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| 08:32.52 | Gnea | !tell john about ask |
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| 08:32.57 | peterS | streuner: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-779 |
| 08:33.09 | liable_ | john: maybe.. |
| 08:33.13 | john | http://de.lunar-linux.org/xfce4/screenshots/2005-01-09-223724_1600x1200_scrot.jpg <-- top right hand corner, what system monitor is that! if you know.. |
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| 08:34.01 | Gnea | john: looks like a custom script in a transparent Eterm |
| 08:34.03 | LightVision | ok thanks |
| 08:34.11 | damaskin | I have a problem with unmet dependencies... |
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| 08:34.14 | john | o i c |
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| 08:34.21 | damaskin | where can i post an output?? |
| 08:34.26 | liable | gentoo?? |
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| 08:34.38 | tchize | damn difficult to reach channel |
| 08:34.52 | nvz | peterS: you can't be like a robot all the time. if we were the communication would fail. we all use different protocols, sometimes it takes a little trial and error to negotiate the proper tone for any one person. When I am ranting I am just looking to see how people react see what kind of crowd I am dealing with, what mood they are in.. whatever |
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| 08:35.06 | liable | damaskin: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 08:35.23 | tchize | ok, i closed all my kde windows and cpu usage drop down to 1%, i still don't know however *which* process was consuming all cpu without being reported in top :( |
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| 08:35.32 | damaskin | Selecting previously deselected package opera. |
| 08:35.32 | damaskin | (Reading database ... 51688 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 08:35.32 | damaskin | Unpacking opera (from .../opera_8.02-20050727.5-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb) ... |
| 08:35.32 | damaskin | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of opera: |
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| 08:35.47 | liable | fucking idiot |
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| 08:35.51 | john | Gnea: Thanks. I was hoping it was a seperate system monitor from Gkrellm. That would have been a nice alternative ;) |
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| 08:36.13 | damaskin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.14 | peterS | damaskin: we don't support opera |
| 08:36.15 | damaskin | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 08:36.21 | peterS | damaskin: but try apt-get -f install |
| 08:36.28 | damaskin | no |
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| 08:36.30 | nvz | peterS: right now your last remark shows disbelif in what I am saying, while the others silence shows disinterest and disregaurd. usually someone would have shown by now some kind of aggrivation or objection the lack thereof shows me that everyone is preoccupied and for the most part ignoring me :P |
| 08:36.36 | damaskin | it won't work |
| 08:36.38 | liable | damaskin: either read the damn /topic, or /msg dpkg as I said.. |
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| 08:36.47 | damaskin | sorry |
| 08:36.51 | peterS | damaskin: complain to whoever packaged opera, it wasn't us |
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| 08:37.02 | damaskin | i'm pretty much a newbbie |
| 08:37.12 | peterS | where'd you get opera.deb? |
| 08:37.13 | bibe | damaskin : you can't expect 'dpkg -i' to resolve dependencies |
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| 08:37.21 | damaskin | from opera.com |
| 08:37.24 | peterS | bibe: no but apt-get -f install will |
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| 08:37.38 | chefkoch-2oo2 | how can i change the appearence of new windows? i dont want them in the middle, of cause i have two monitors with nvidia running. |
| 08:37.43 | peterS | damaskin: then ask them why it doesn't work. if apt-get -f install doesn't fix it, it's most likely their bug |
| 08:37.55 | peterS | damaskin: unless you're running unstable, in which case, don't do that either |
| 08:37.57 | damaskin | oke |
| 08:37.59 | damaskin | thanks |
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| 08:38.12 | damaskin | i'm runing unstable :) |
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| 08:38.39 | damaskin | this is the problem |
| 08:38.44 | bibe | peterS : apt-get -f install after trying to dpkg -i a package? |
| 08:38.49 | tchize | anyway thanks for your time, i bet process stats in kernel are somehow bugged :/ |
| 08:38.49 | liable | hehe |
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| 08:39.10 | damaskin | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:39.10 | damaskin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.11 | damaskin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.11 | peterS | bibe: right. if you don't want dpkg -i to yell at you, use dpkg --unpack instead |
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| 08:39.38 | c_olin | What is a program that can display Slashdot headlines on my desktop? |
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| 08:39.43 | liable | damaskin: its sid, wait a bit, or re-install with sarge.. |
| 08:39.50 | bibe | peterS : apt is way the best package management tool... :) |
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| 08:39.54 | liable | firefox? |
| 08:39.56 | damaskin | oke |
| 08:39.58 | damaskin | thanks |
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| 08:40.00 | damaskin | ooo |
| 08:40.05 | chefkoch-2oo2 | peterS: try to use aptitude instead of apt-get. its more powerfull. the syntax is most the same. aptitude install xyz. google for aptitude to get a vs ;-) |
| 08:40.07 | damaskin | firefox is killing my machine |
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| 08:40.20 | damaskin | eats up all memory |
| 08:40.22 | peterS | chefkoch-2oo2: dude, I kind of know about aptitude |
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| 08:40.31 | liable | hah... |
| 08:40.34 | chefkoch-2oo2 | ok |
| 08:40.34 | damaskin | so it's pretty iritating to work like that |
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| 08:41.20 | mhall | damaskin: right-o |
| 08:41.27 | bibe | c_olin : right on your desktop (as gdesklets or karamba or a windowmaker applet I don't remember right now) ? |
| 08:41.32 | damaskin | ? |
| 08:41.41 | damaskin | well |
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| 08:41.48 | damaskin | i'll just have to wait |
| 08:41.50 | tchize | chefkoch-2002: what has aptitude apt-get don't have, just out of curiosity? |
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| 08:41.55 | mhall | damaskin: it seemed like it came out alright for me though |
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| 08:42.03 | mhall | damaskin: i had to wait a while but now qt seems happy |
| 08:42.11 | damaskin | what came alright? |
| 08:42.11 | damaskin | aha |
| 08:42.18 | damaskin | well |
| 08:42.21 | nvz | I cant believe its nearly 5am already I am so off schedule again. that lasted a whole day. |
| 08:42.21 | damaskin | dunno |
| 08:42.50 | mhall | damaskin: your problem is the C++ ABI change from g++ 3.3 to g++ 4.0 |
| 08:42.52 | vorlon | liable: it's not sid. libqt3-mt is *woody* era, not etch. |
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| 08:43.00 | chefkoch-2oo2 | tchize: a nice uninstalling of dont needed packages, if you uninstall a program. |
| 08:43.02 | damaskin | yes, i hear of that |
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| 08:43.08 | mhall | damaskin: probably some app you want to install is asking for obsolete Qt |
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| 08:43.30 | damaskin | so |
| 08:43.39 | damaskin | i can only wait, right? |
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| 08:44.03 | mhall | damaskin: not quite |
| 08:44.11 | mhall | damaskin: i had this problem with kaffeine media player |
| 08:44.18 | mhall | !tell damaskin about source |
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| 08:44.31 | mhall | damaskin: build it from source once you have fresh Qt installed |
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| 08:44.37 | mhall | damaskin: and the app should work ok |
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| 08:44.59 | liable | damaskin: what version of debian are you actually running?? |
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| 08:45.08 | streuner | peterS: didn't know that, thanks. |
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| 08:45.27 | damaskin | how can i check that?? :) |
| 08:45.34 | cafuego_ | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:45.48 | damaskin | i run apt-get upgrade and than upgrade |
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| 08:46.04 | damaskin | testing/unstable |
| 08:46.05 | damaskin | :) |
| 08:46.06 | Gnea | damaskin: did you run apt-get update first? |
| 08:46.12 | damaskin | yes |
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| 08:46.21 | damaskin | it messed up my kde |
| 08:46.21 | Gnea | no, it's testing OR unstable |
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| 08:46.38 | Gnea | yeah, testing and unstable are really broken right now |
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| 08:46.41 | liable | no, thats what it says.. |
| 08:46.49 | damaskin | tyler@ghost:~: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:46.49 | damaskin | testing/unstable |
| 08:46.50 | cafuego_ | Gnea: sid and etch both say that |
| 08:46.51 | Gnea | i know |
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| 08:47.05 | Gnea | cat /etc/apt/sources.list to see for sure |
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| 08:47.16 | damaskin | but after a few day i repeated apt-get update && upgrade |
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| 08:47.30 | Gnea | that's what happens when you run either |
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| 08:47.34 | Gnea | things tend to break |
| 08:47.37 | damaskin | all was ok except opera and this qt library |
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| 08:48.30 | damaskin | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 08:48.42 | Gnea | unstable, aka sid |
| 08:48.44 | Gnea | no wonder |
| 08:48.45 | damaskin | this is one of the lines in sources.list |
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| 08:48.48 | vorlon | damaskin: this is not a problem that will be fixed. The opera package you're trying to install is *not* properly built for a current Debian system, either sarge or sid. |
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| 08:49.00 | damaskin | aha |
| 08:49.06 | Gnea | damaskin: you're just going to have to be patient. use something other than kde for now |
| 08:49.11 | vorlon | damaskin: er... sorry, I'm wrong |
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| 08:49.33 | vorlon | damaskin: it looks like libqt3-mt is the new package name in unstable; I was thinking it was libqt3c2-mt. |
| 08:49.43 | damaskin | so now i can only wait for the folks from opera |
| 08:49.51 | liable | damaskin: whats wrong with another browser? |
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| 08:50.01 | vorlon | damaskin: anyway, it's still not a problem that's going to go away without opera's help, because the package you're trying to install is built for sarge, not etch. |
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| 08:50.04 | damaskin | firefox is eating my memory |
| 08:50.14 | Gnea | so close it and restart it |
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| 08:50.20 | Gnea | firefox does that |
| 08:50.28 | streuner | damaskin: how RAM do you have, btw? |
| 08:50.29 | liable | err, theres a few more available.. |
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| 08:50.42 | damaskin | it's a weak machine |
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| 08:51.00 | damaskin | 256MB and a duron processor @ 850mhz |
| 08:51.12 | Gnea | that's not TOO bad |
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| 08:51.19 | streuner | should be usually ok then |
| 08:51.24 | Gnea | but when you run a desktop environment like gnome or kde, expect it to lag then |
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| 08:51.33 | streuner | here we go... |
| 08:51.34 | damaskin | no i run fluxbox |
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| 08:51.41 | Gnea | oh |
| 08:51.42 | Gnea | cool |
| 08:51.53 | Gnea | yeah, definately firefox then |
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| 08:52.04 | Guerin | haha |
| 08:52.11 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:52.15 | Guerin | that's ample |
| 08:52.18 | streuner | damaskin: try torsmo - it keeps track how much RAM you have |
| 08:52.20 | damaskin | definately, because opera work with the same other programs open much better |
| 08:52.21 | asmodaiii | damaskin: dont install flash-plugin |
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| 08:52.24 | Guerin | that'll run any de you like, and then some |
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| 08:52.57 | Gnea | hrm, i think this virus scanner is going to work quite nicely... |
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| 08:53.38 | HyperStream | when i login to x it compains about not enough free space. i just added a harddrive with a 25gig vfat partition to /home/hyperstream/DataStorage ... how can isearch my harddrive's to see what major files are on there. i think its like a tmp file or something of the kind from a application like mythtv, |
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| 08:54.30 | tchize | ok, seems process cpu usage trcking problem has been solve in kernel 2.6.10, need upgrade :/ |
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| 08:54.36 | nvz | HyperStream: you could start by looking at df. |
| 08:54.40 | Gnea | HyperStream: major files? |
| 08:54.46 | HyperStream | like huge file sizes |
| 08:54.47 | tchize | thank you all and bye |
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| 08:54.55 | nvz | though if you have everything on one partition makes it hard to narrow down |
| 08:54.56 | Gnea | like, over 2gig? |
| 08:54.57 | asmodaiii | HyperStream: du -m | sort -rn | head |
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| 08:55.01 | damaskin | oke |
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| 08:55.09 | damaskin | thanks for the help guys |
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| 08:55.32 | liable | hrm, I just got room service and as well as a meal, they gave me a little container of rocks.... |
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| 08:56.13 | nvz | after having installed linux a few times I learned about how much space I need for things, and partition accordingly. keping things separated stops an overflowing /home or something from destroying the whole system |
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| 08:56.39 | nvz | I keep everything that can grow separate from my crucial system files |
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| 08:56.42 | Gnea | partitioning is fun |
| 08:57.05 | HyperStream | /dev/hda5 is at 100% main linux partition |
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| 08:57.18 | nvz | LVM is really cool too. though I am not very good with it yet |
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| 08:57.32 | Gnea | Fleck: pardon? |
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| 08:57.48 | HyperStream | soo how can i search for files say 500 megs or 1 gig bigger |
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| 08:57.53 | Fleck | Gnea about that user who can't delete anything? |
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| 08:58.20 | asmodaiii | HyperStream: du -h | sort -rn | head |
| 08:58.21 | asmodaiii | oups |
| 08:58.22 | asmodaiii | sorry |
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| 08:58.31 | HyperStream | whats that do ? |
| 08:58.47 | asmodaiii | i'm looking for a script for u |
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| 08:58.58 | HyperStream | !du |
| 08:58.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, du is used to estimate file space usage |
| 08:59.03 | HyperStream | oo |
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| 08:59.07 | Angel-SL | :o |
| 08:59.20 | Angel-SL | i reconfigured x now it wont auto start |
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| 08:59.27 | Gnea | Fleck: you need to create a set of directives within directives |
| 08:59.32 | nvz | HyperStream: du -h shows disk usage in human readable format KB, MB, GB..etc sort sorts output, and head takes the upper part of the output off |
| 08:59.39 | Angel-SL | i always get a prompt; startx |
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| 08:59.55 | asmodaiii | Angel-SL : did u install xdm? |
| 08:59.59 | liable | install adm.. |
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| 09:00.10 | Angel-SL | adm or xdm |
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| 09:00.21 | asmodaiii | kdm / gdm /xdm |
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| 09:00.24 | asmodaiii | what is adm? |
| 09:00.31 | Angel-SL | i HAVE gdm |
| 09:00.33 | liable | err, a dm.. sorry |
| 09:00.34 | HyperStream | yeah when i installed linux right i choose desktop. since it was my first time in long time. now that ive downloaded like 700mb in updates etc i dont really wanna reinstall. is there perhaps a place where all packages tht debian downloads with apt-get or synaptic is stored. then i could back it up and reinstall and re compile my kernel etc and just replace the files where they should be and just do a dist upgrade and it wont nee |
| 09:00.47 | Gnea | Fleck: <Limit dir> DenyUser someuser </Limit> |
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| 09:01.26 | nvz | HyperStream: do you have a fast connection to your package source and a decently fast PC? you could just backup the list of install packages, instead of the packages themselves then reinstall them all from the source. |
| 09:01.28 | asmodaiii | HyperStream: *.deb? |
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| 09:01.44 | asmodaiii | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 09:01.51 | HyperStream | ahh yeah but i have download limits thats all |
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| 09:02.01 | ircdevil | at last |
| 09:02.13 | HyperStream | oo and after a reinstall i could just replace them there and apt-get will look there instead of downloading from online |
| 09:02.15 | ircdevil | stupid overflow thing |
| 09:02.24 | nvz | HyperStream: do you use stable? |
| 09:02.32 | HyperStream | unstable |
| 09:02.39 | HyperStream | and a couple of testing packages |
| 09:02.40 | ircdevil | what is the deal with this overflow chan? |
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| 09:03.06 | asmodaiii | HyperStream: i hope u dont have woody pkg :p |
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| 09:03.16 | HyperStream | no i downloaded sarge cd's |
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| 09:03.24 | HyperStream | then change my sources to unstable |
| 09:03.29 | liable | ircdevil: join floods from spambots i guess.. |
| 09:03.29 | HyperStream | and do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:03.44 | asmodaiii | it should be good |
| 09:04.02 | nvz | HyperStream: well its not likely that you are going to do that very easily. apt prefers new packages to ancient ones you probably have in archive. and unstable updates daily |
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| 09:04.26 | HyperStream | yeah this is gonna be a fresh install since i wanna setup my partitions properly |
| 09:04.29 | asmodaiii | maybe with /etc/apt/*preference*... |
| 09:04.31 | HyperStream | to aviod this issue im having |
| 09:04.34 | nvz | HyperStream: its not smart to be using unstable if you have download limits and you arent really that experienced |
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| 09:04.54 | asmodaiii | nvz: humm now unstable is quite sure |
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| 09:05.03 | HyperStream | is there anyway to search my hda5 to files larger than 500megs? |
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| 09:05.15 | jm_ | HyperStream: info find |
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| 09:05.31 | nvz | asmodaiii: I fail to take away anything meaningful from that remark |
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| 09:05.50 | asmodaiii | nvz: lol |
| 09:05.54 | nvz | HyperStream: you could use find |
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| 09:06.07 | nvz | HyperStream: man find, I am sure documents a -size param |
| 09:06.18 | HyperStream | thanks alot guys |
| 09:06.20 | nvz | dpkg, lol? |
| 09:06.20 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line. Everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a Knoppix user. |
| 09:06.32 | Gnea | dpkg: rofl? |
| 09:06.32 | dpkg | somebody said rofl was Rolling Over Fat Lesbian |
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| 09:06.40 | Gnea | hhe |
| 09:06.41 | Gnea | heh |
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| 09:06.46 | oystein | Hi. Can't remember the location and name of the file where the apt-get servers sre... |
| 09:06.47 | nvz | Really Old Fat Lesbian |
| 09:07.07 | Gnea | oystein: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:07.07 | HyperStream | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:07.09 | HyperStream | i think |
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| 09:07.13 | oystein | Gnea, thnx |
| 09:07.14 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:07.18 | nvz | dpkg rofl is also a Really Old Fat Lesbian |
| 09:07.18 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
| 09:07.30 | Gnea | dpkg: nfc? |
| 09:07.30 | dpkg | hmm... nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 09:07.35 | yang | connecting terminal on a debian mips machine problem - http://channels.debian.net/paste/658 |
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| 09:07.45 | ircdevil | dpkg asl? |
| 09:07.46 | dpkg | ircdevil, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
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| 09:08.07 | asmodaiii | v(^o^)v |
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| 09:08.20 | Eclipser | haha |
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| 09:09.35 | jethro | good morning #debian |
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| 09:12.00 | asmodaiii | hi jethro |
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| 09:12.16 | nvz | nfc, Not For Cash, No Fat Chicken, New Folding Chair, Never Fuck Christians, Nobody Flys Cows |
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| 09:12.36 | Hideki | hey, I'v just upgraded my woody machine to 2.6 and I'm now having problems with nat, it says: ip_tables isn't found and hints the kernel or iptables might need to be updated - it fails on the line iptables -tnat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE - any ideas? |
| 09:12.57 | Gnea | Hideki: woody isn't made for 2.6, you need to upgrade to sarge |
| 09:13.01 | nvz | I could probably come up with a hundred of those |
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| 09:13.24 | Hideki | hmm |
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| 09:13.31 | frankie | Hideki: modutils -> module-init-tools |
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| 09:13.54 | Hideki | oh, it told me to install module-init-tools when I did mak moduls_install |
| 09:14.09 | Gnea | !tell Hideki about woody->sarge |
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| 09:14.41 | frankie | Hideki: anyway, as suggested by others there's no reason to no upgrade to sarge now |
| 09:14.42 | nvz | Hideki: the point they are making here is we know what the problem is, and its that the module code in 2.6 was completly rewritten to use module-init-tools instead of the old modutils and it doesnt exist in woody |
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| 09:14.58 | nvz | !+info module-init-tools woody |
| 09:15.00 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:15.04 | Hideki | err, it lte me apt-get it |
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| 09:15.07 | dpkg | Package 'module-init-tools' does not exist. |
| 09:15.08 | Fleck | ok Gnea works great :) now i need such thing: when user1 uploads files to FTP - files needed to be set to user2 owner - how do i do that? |
| 09:15.09 | ircdevil | hmmm these spambots - are they a clever job? seems like some ip spoofing is going on |
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| 09:15.27 | liable | i dont think dpkg does woody anymore.. |
| 09:15.27 | Hideki | module-init-tools is already the newest version. |
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| 09:15.54 | Hideki | will a dist upgrade definitly fix it? |
| 09:16.05 | nvz | !info modutils woody |
| 09:16.08 | dpkg | modutils: (Linux module utilities.), section base, is required. Version: 2.4.15-1 (woody), Packaged size: 178 kB, Installed size: 471 kB |
| 09:16.09 | frankie | Hideki: if you compiled 2.6 on your own probably you missed something also |
| 09:16.11 | litage | what's the best way to secure and encrypt ldap communications? |
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| 09:16.21 | liable | Hideki: read what dpkg told you in /msg.. |
| 09:16.22 | jm_ | module-init-tools for Woody were available as a backport, /msg dpkg woody 2.6 |
| 09:16.28 | Guerin | stupid p4 |
| 09:16.28 | Gnea | Fleck: hrm, not sure |
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| 09:16.31 | nvz | liable: dpkg does what ever I tell it to :P |
| 09:16.34 | Guerin | why does it run too hot? |
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| 09:16.44 | liable | !irritate nvz |
| 09:16.45 | dpkg | nvz: HELP ME!!! who uses sound !!!1 |
| 09:16.53 | liable | :) |
| 09:16.57 | Hideki | yeah, trouble is I have only 400MB free and a 256kbit connection |
| 09:17.00 | nvz | !yinzersmite liable |
| 09:17.05 | Guerin | is it safe to just ignore CPU0: Temperature above threshold warnings? |
| 09:17.09 | Hideki | so if I can possibly avoid huge downloads I'd like to |
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| 09:17.18 | Guerin | i'm using the stock HSF which comes with the fucking thing |
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| 09:17.23 | nvz | man I need to make some better smites I only got 5 and I am about tired of them |
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| 09:17.57 | frankie | Fleck: what ftp daemon? |
| 09:18.00 | nvz | if only yinzersmites were as easy as acronyms using the letters nfc |
| 09:18.03 | streuner | Guerin: ignoring might works on IRC, but your box doesn't ignore ... |
| 09:18.11 | Fleck | frankie proftpd |
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| 09:18.19 | frankie | Fleck: move to #proftpd |
| 09:18.23 | Fleck | ok |
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| 09:19.16 | Hideki | oh |
| 09:19.24 | Hideki | I am on sarge |
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| 09:19.30 | Hideki | I must have upgraded at some point |
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| 09:20.20 | liable | accidently? |
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| 09:20.29 | Hideki | no, I just forgot I'd done it |
| 09:20.36 | Hideki | I have two linux machins |
| 09:20.42 | Hideki | thee other is still on woody |
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| 09:20.49 | Hideki | but anyway, I still hav a NAT problem -.- |
| 09:21.07 | nvz | Hideki: if your sources list said "stable" and not "woody" you would have naturaly migrated with apt like a heard of cattle |
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| 09:21.10 | nvz | apt, moo |
| 09:21.11 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
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| 09:21.24 | Gnea | Hideki: well, check module-init-tools again - what 2.6 kernel is it? |
| 09:21.34 | cahoot | heard of cattle would be moo |
| 09:21.39 | Hideki | it says ip_tablse and ip_conntrack are missing |
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| 09:21.46 | Hideki | moduls |
| 09:21.51 | Guerin | wtf, stupid cpu is only 54degrees |
| 09:21.54 | Pelalil | How can I find out which modules are responsible for sda? |
| 09:21.55 | Guerin | according to bios |
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| 09:22.04 | Hideki | 2.6.12.4 |
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| 09:22.14 | cahoot | Pelalil: scsi disk |
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| 09:22.39 | Hideki | I was fine on 2.2, heh, I was just convinced I needd IPv6 support |
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| 09:22.44 | Angel-SL | hi |
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| 09:22.50 | Pelalil | cahoot: well ye, but how do i know if its usb_storage or piix or what? |
| 09:22.53 | Angel-SL | i get errors when booting |
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| 09:22.58 | liable | Info iptables sarge |
| 09:22.59 | Angel-SL | i use kernel 2.6 |
| 09:23.02 | Angel-SL | sarge |
| 09:23.05 | liable | pfft |
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| 09:23.15 | bucky | jethro, nice server page http://wax.docisland.org/ |
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| 09:23.57 | jethro | bucky: feel free to tell saad@openbsd.org about it |
| 09:24.00 | liable | what kind of errors..... |
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| 09:24.04 | bucky | haha |
| 09:24.07 | bibe | Angel-SL : what kind of errors? |
| 09:24.08 | jethro | bucky: it's not mine |
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| 09:24.25 | bucky | jethro, he has nice family photos |
| 09:24.25 | Hideki | where should I have enabled ip_tablse and ip_conntrack in mak mnuconfig? |
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| 09:24.37 | tengulre | hi,all!!! |
| 09:24.43 | bibe | hi tengulre |
| 09:24.46 | tengulre | :) |
| 09:24.52 | liable | Hideki: err, you compiled a kernel? |
| 09:24.54 | bob2 | Hideki: networking |
| 09:24.55 | Angel-SL | bibe: modules, usb, already loaded....etc. |
| 09:25.01 | Hideki | aye |
| 09:25.03 | bob2 | Hideki: note that Debian has a variety of 2.6 kernels available |
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| 09:25.10 | bibe | Angel-SL : they're not errors, only infos |
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| 09:25.17 | Hideki | I just downloadd it from kernel.org |
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| 09:25.24 | Hideki | and configured/compild it |
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| 09:25.36 | Angel-SL | bibe: some said [cannot be loaded] |
| 09:25.41 | liable | !kernel compile |
| 09:25.41 | dpkg | [kp] To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 09:25.44 | bob2 | Hideki: installing a working Debian one will be a lot less hassle |
| 09:25.52 | liable | meh, wrong one.. |
| 09:26.17 | slashzul | how about apt-get dist-upgrade and get a 2.6 kernel .... |
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| 09:26.24 | bibe | Angel-SL : try reading 'dmesg' for real errors. Did you compile your custom kernel, or are you using a Debian "stock" kernel? |
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| 09:27.00 | Angel-SL | bibe: i got the netinst. on the install prompt i just typed linux26 |
| 09:27.16 | ricky_clarkson | Is the xorg install in sid reasonably smooth? |
| 09:27.27 | luciver | mornin... curiousity question: is there an easy way to let apt handle user-installed packages in his/her homedir? |
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| 09:27.44 | liable | ricky_clarkson: yeah, generally. |
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| 09:27.59 | bibe | Angel-SL : so 'uname -r' must show 2.6.8-2-386, is it? (Obviously if you used i386 netinst) |
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| 09:28.34 | Hideki | could it b because connection mark match support isn't there or is that something les eentirely, everything else has been compiled as a module |
| 09:28.36 | Angel-SL | bibe: it does |
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| 09:29.16 | liable | Hideki: try a debian kernel, come back if it still fails.. |
| 09:29.17 | nvz | luciver: where do you propse to get packages that install into a homedir? as this is in direct violation of debian policy |
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| 09:29.30 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Is it a good idea to do this in a console? |
| 09:29.32 | nvz | luciver: so they would certainly be unofficial, but still my questions remains |
| 09:29.53 | Hideki | I shouldn't have to try a debian kernel, heh, it should work, how do I know a debian kernel will come with the eothre modules I need |
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| 09:30.12 | bibe | Angel-SL : on my laptop (ASUS M68Ne) i have errors loading hw_random and rtc, but since they don't affect my everyday work, I simply blacklisted them (with 'echo hw_random >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist', and the same for rtc). What module(s) cannot be loaded? |
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| 09:30.31 | luciver | nvz: well at the moment, a user cant easily handle packages he installs himself, right? is there a better way to compile them with, say, ./configure --prefix=$HOME? |
| 09:30.33 | ricky_clarkson | Hideki: If the Debian kernel doesn't come with the modules you need, then you'll have to rebuild the Debian kernel. |
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| 09:30.52 | luciver | nvz: having to ask the admin to install packages for him sounds so.. awkward |
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| 09:31.15 | luciver | nvz: is there a better way to handle user-installed packages than compiling them, i mean :) |
| 09:31.19 | nvz | luciver: a user other than root cannot do anything with packages unless permittied via sudo or such to become root and do so |
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| 09:31.27 | Angel-SL | bibe: i don't know. i just noticed some, they never do disturnb X, GNOME or KDE |
| 09:31.27 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Or fakeroot. |
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| 09:31.35 | liable | ricky_clarkson: I truly dont know, I didnt, it stopped xfree, started xorg and away I went. from console may well be a good idea though.. |
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| 09:31.44 | luciver | nvz: exactly; but then he has full apt power over the whole system[C, basically? |
| 09:31.52 | nvz | luciver: the only concievable way I can think is to make a chroot into home with a debian system including apt and everything |
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| 09:32.16 | nvz | system[C? |
| 09:32.17 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Or UML? |
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| 09:32.23 | luciver | oh system* :) |
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| 09:32.47 | bibe | Angel-SL : try 'dmesg |egrep "error|fatal"' or, better, read all your 'dmesg' and check for the modules your kernel complains about |
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| 09:32.48 | luciver | nvz: yeah also, package dependencies on 'root-installed' packages may be a problem.. |
| 09:32.57 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: even still debian packages are not allowed to in any way at all put any files much less entire packages in a users homedir |
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| 09:32.58 | liable | Hideki: stop being hard headed and try it. if you are just going to ignore suggestions, then dont expect much more help.. |
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| 09:33.15 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: unless as proposed it doesnt know its doing so |
| 09:33.16 | elpauer | hi |
| 09:33.30 | bibe | hi elpauer |
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| 09:33.44 | luciver | nvz: its just that user-installed software is kind of awkward to maintain :( made me curious :) |
| 09:33.44 | Angel-SL | is Linux unix-ish? |
| 09:33.45 | Hideki | heh, any distribution that won't work with a stock kernl is about to get removde in favour of fbsd |
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| 09:34.12 | ircdevil | is anyone working actively on cracking the site of the spam bots? it should be torn from the net imho |
| 09:34.17 | nvz | luciver: there can only be root-installed packages. and as I said before debian policy states that debian packages may not put anything into a users homedir much less entire packages |
| 09:34.18 | liable | who cares? |
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| 09:34.25 | Angel-SL | angelsl@k9-net:~/openssl-0.9.8$ dmesg |egrep "error|fatal" |
| 09:34.25 | Angel-SL | vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 |
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| 09:34.41 | nvz | luciver: users have no business installing software anyhow |
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| 09:34.52 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: Feel free to try. |
| 09:34.54 | nvz | in any way shape or form |
| 09:34.56 | luciver | nvz: why not? do they depend on the admin to install anything? |
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| 09:35.06 | nvz | luciver: right. |
| 09:35.10 | luciver | nvz: cant they install their own email client etc? |
| 09:35.12 | luciver | nvz: or games |
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| 09:35.19 | bucky | luciver you can apt-get checkinstall and by default that will make a deb that will intstall to /usr/local/ if you must install something other than the regular 5000 packages that are available with debian |
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| 09:35.23 | luciver | nvz: like on any other platform :P |
| 09:35.33 | ircdevil | ricky_clarkson: its not my field, but there might be some clever people here with the skills |
| 09:35.39 | nvz | luciver: nope not unless the admin wants them to ruin the system at will installing random shit |
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| 09:35.45 | slashzul | u need the right /etc/apt/sources.list file .... |
| 09:35.46 | nvz | luciver: if you want to use windows, use windows. |
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| 09:35.53 | luciver | nvz: but users can always compile themselves and run it |
| 09:36.03 | luciver | nvz: so there is no difference, just in ease of maintenance? |
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| 09:36.05 | nvz | luciver: if you think users should also be admins, you should not run an OS with privlage separation |
| 09:36.05 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: traceroute, find their ISP, send a lawyer's warning to abuse@theirisp |
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| 09:36.14 | nvz | luciver: or any other safegaurds for that matter |
| 09:36.28 | nvz | luciver: you should run a virus collection system like Windows |
| 09:36.33 | luciver | nvz: ofcourse i'm only talking about touching only the users' homedir with files if he wants to install something |
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| 09:36.55 | luciver | nvz: so users ought to be forced to compile by hand instead of using a package manager? |
| 09:36.56 | slashzul | snort and watch the traffic |
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| 09:37.18 | ircdevil | ricky_clarkson: is botflooding abuse? |
| 09:37.19 | nvz | luciver: you would need to completly fool it into thinking the homedir was not a homedir. via chroot or maybe as ricky_clarkson said uml.. something |
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| 09:37.34 | nvz | luciver: you would need a whole entire independant system in that homedir |
| 09:37.38 | bucky | nvz, what would happen if you put a jsdk in a ~/user homedir? |
| 09:37.39 | liable | wtf is with all these 194.102.. addresses joining and parting.. |
| 09:37.50 | ircdevil | liable: /topic |
| 09:37.50 | luciver | nvz: yeah the package system is built to actually avoid messing with homedirs, i understand that :( |
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| 09:37.58 | liable | hahaha |
| 09:38.01 | nvz | bucky: you would have a jsdk in ~/user |
| 09:38.02 | luciver | nvz: yeah was fearing for that :( |
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| 09:38.14 | luciver | nvz: dependencies, different rootdirs, etc.. :( |
| 09:38.16 | ricky_clarkson | dreamie: No, I'm not 'puppet'. Bugger off. |
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| 09:38.54 | bibe | luciver : I think that installing a package is generally a "super-user"'s task. Call this "super-user" as you want (root, Administrator, ...), but a _user_ should generally _use_ programs. This is the concept that lead to privilege separation |
| 09:38.54 | luciver | nvz: anyway thanks for explaining :) it was a question which was on my mind for years actually :P |
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| 09:39.10 | nvz | luciver: the system (debian) is designed around architectural portability and stability. its not designed to fail at the hands of any user like Windows, so bill makes more money |
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| 09:39.20 | luciver | bibe: ok, but users having a few apps only they use isnt that far fetched right? |
| 09:39.22 | slashzul | 02.meridian.directweb.ro |
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| 09:39.35 | luciver | bibe: ofcourse once more people want to use it, multiple installations is a waste of disk space |
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| 09:40.08 | slashzul | romanian 194.102.171.92 |
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| 09:40.20 | nvz | luciver: waste of space, security risk, multiple policy breaker.. we could bitch about that to no end. |
| 09:40.20 | luciver | nvz: i avoid windows whenever possible :P |
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| 09:40.44 | ircdevil | slashzul: most probably spoofed ip |
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| 09:40.47 | luciver | i'm not talking about users messing with system files.. |
| 09:40.47 | nvz | luciver: me too. but at least I know why. |
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| 09:40.59 | slashzul | home-12641.galati.astral.ro |
| 09:41.07 | slashzul | lots of romanians joining this group |
| 09:41.22 | luciver | just that this 'download source, compile in homedir' isnt a proper way for users to maintain software they want to use if they dont or cant ask the admin |
| 09:41.25 | bibe | luciver : IMHO, a multi-user machine should be run by an administrator that installs packages/application needed by the users. So any user's need should be forwarded to the administrator |
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| 09:41.46 | ircdevil | slashzul: its prolly some virus sitting on windoze machines pretending to come from those addresses |
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| 09:42.25 | slashzul | cant u just block the 194 addresses? |
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| 09:42.48 | ircdevil | slashzul: bot that may be innocent - and will probably change anyway |
| 09:43.02 | liable | slashzul: ask in #freenode |
| 09:43.05 | luciver | bibe: yeah i guess fundamental decisions about the role of the user are essential in this problem |
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| 09:43.22 | ircdevil | slashzul: you can crack the website that the spambots point to. bring it offline and the spammer will gain nothing |
| 09:43.30 | bibe | luciver : yes, that's the point |
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| 09:43.50 | luciver | bibe: but even then, the user wont have more power than it has right now |
| 09:43.57 | _OvO_ | Is it possible that I was automatically forwarded when comming in the debian channel to the knoppix channel? |
| 09:44.03 | luciver | bibe: unless users cant even have executables in their homedir in your install |
| 09:44.12 | bucky | luciver, what do you propose.. that we change the whole *nix world so that every user can have his own MTA in his homedir? |
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| 09:44.45 | luciver | bucky: i was hoping adapting apt a bit wouldn't be an insane hassle, actually :P |
| 09:44.52 | liable | _OvO_: you tell us. |
| 09:44.54 | nvz | luciver: if you have users smart enough (supposedly) to be admins, then make them admins.. run some sort of virtual machine server and let them all have their own OS |
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| 09:44.59 | luciver | bucky: actually i was hoping it was already done :P |
| 09:45.04 | ircdevil | slashzul: actually one shouldnt bring that site offline, just sabotage it with a slight change corrupting a link. the spammer should not figure out too soon, otherwise the site will just move |
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| 09:45.12 | luciver | nvz: ok but smart users doesnt mean i want to give them root rights.. |
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| 09:45.35 | bucky | luciver, there's nothing wrong with apt... you can package a deb to install anywhere you want it to |
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| 09:45.59 | ircdevil | nvz: whats the name of that virtual machine thing - i forgot? |
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| 09:46.20 | luciver | bucky: but what happens if i install it outside / as root dir? do i need to build a seperate dependency tree? |
| 09:46.23 | liable | vmware?? uml?? |
| 09:46.25 | nvz | yeah but you cant let a user install only debs that you want.. even so what are you going to do make a fucked up unofficial policy breaking repo of everything? |
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| 09:46.39 | luciver | bucky: or can it use packages with are installed in / as root dir? |
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| 09:47.01 | ircdevil | uml |
| 09:47.03 | ircdevil | k |
| 09:47.05 | _OvO_ | liable: but is it possible to forward a channel user to another channel automatic? |
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| 09:47.14 | luciver | nvz: i dont care if its not in the official distro though.. i'd just break policy and use it for myself :P |
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| 09:47.30 | luciver | nvz: i geuss its more of an apt queston than a debian question :P |
| 09:47.43 | nvz | luciver: you have no idea how evil, ignorant, and off-topic you sound |
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| 09:47.56 | vorlon | ircdevil: you can't "pretend" to come from an IP you don't have control over, unless you've compromised the IRC server itself. |
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| 09:48.10 | luciver | off-topic, maybe, #debian didnt sound that bad a place to ask a generic question about apt |
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| 09:48.20 | liable | _OvO_: I just joined knoppix without a problem. |
| 09:48.21 | zoaker | Guerin, are you there, I have a question for you. |
| 09:48.22 | bibe | luciver : I got the point, you'd want an apt option that can install a package in a sort-of chrooted-environment, so the application still uses common (installed by root and available to all users) libraries and doesn't affect any other user's environment |
| 09:48.33 | nvz | luciver: debian is _all_ about its policy. the barriers you are trying to break are the vary barriers that separate this kind of system from a windows kind of system |
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| 09:48.40 | Guerin | zoaker: i'm busy, be fast |
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| 09:48.48 | luciver | bibe: exactly; i was wondering how easy it would be to obtain that.. |
| 09:49.08 | zoaker | Guerin, you know why a Hungarian is always angry with a Bulgarian? |
| 09:49.11 | bucky | luciver, in the multi user - multi tasking world that *nix has always been in the idea that one user has access to a daemon and another doesn't is alien... hell RMS belives that the world group is dicriminatory and elitist |
| 09:49.28 | luciver | nvz: policies are to make a good system, not to make it unlike windows in all aspects :P |
| 09:49.36 | Guerin | zoaker: can't for the life of me think why |
| 09:49.45 | jethro | bucky: ITYM the wheel group |
| 09:49.51 | bucky | luciver, use uml and get really confused thats a good idea |
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| 09:50.01 | zoaker | Guerin, because one is always Hungry while the other is Bulging with food. LOL. |
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| 09:50.12 | Guerin | !moron zoaker |
| 09:50.13 | dpkg | zoaker: You are moron #25 |
| 09:50.15 | nvz | luciver: you dont understand how many policies effect what you are doing privlage separation, package policy, filesystem standards..etc ..etc |
| 09:50.18 | bucky | jethro, right.. tnx |
| 09:50.24 | nvz | luciver: none of which exist in windows |
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| 09:50.34 | zoaker | who is moron #1? |
| 09:50.35 | nvz | luciver: which is why such insane things are possible on windows |
| 09:50.59 | nvz | zoaker: me, I am better than you I was the first :P |
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| 09:51.13 | bucky | is why Balmer makes death threats and sweats profusely under his arms |
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| 09:51.38 | bomb | yo |
| 09:51.40 | zoaker | nvz, i won't compete with you for that. |
| 09:51.41 | bibe | luciver : I don't think it should be very difficult, it's essentially a matter of prefixes in the debian/rules files. But I think it's a pointless effort, it's kind of allowing all users to do an 'apt-get install ...', and you can do it with sudo. And obviously, your system will become a Windows-like machine |
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| 09:51.51 | bomb | i got entries in /etc/init.d from services that are no longer installed |
| 09:51.54 | bomb | safe to remove them? |
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| 09:52.05 | liable_ | yes |
| 09:52.12 | bomb | ok |
| 09:52.20 | luciver | nvz: i'm just wondering why i can drag my apps to install anywhere i want in OSX, and i have to compile stuff from source with custom switches in order to use them without root rights in linux.. |
| 09:52.42 | luciver | bibe: yeah its chosing between two non-optimal situations i guess |
| 09:52.47 | zoaker | Guerin, what time is it now over there? |
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| 09:52.47 | liable_ | !test |
| 09:52.48 | dpkg | No, liable_, you're not online any more. |
| 09:52.49 | vorlon | Ballmer sweats profusely under his arms because he's a fat man with hypertension. I'm pretty sure he's *not* sweating because of Unix ACL philosophy. |
| 09:52.54 | nvz | luciver: maybe you should ask that in an OSX channel |
| 09:52.58 | Bagmatic | evening |
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| 09:54.05 | Bagmatic | Does anyone know how to mount a USB device?! |
| 09:54.05 | bucky | vorlon, thank you for that insight |
| 09:54.06 | nvz | luciver: getting back to how evil, ignorant and off-topic you are |
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| 09:54.21 | shingouz | Bagmatic: many of us do |
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| 09:54.21 | liable_ | weeee |
| 09:54.21 | luciver | nvz: explain off-topic? |
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| 09:54.22 | Bagmatic | shingouz -: could you possibly chare that information? i'd be ever so greatful :p |
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| 09:54.24 | shingouz | Bagmatic: what is the problem you have with it? |
| 09:54.31 | liable_ | hmm, xchat shows all quits in a split, stupid.. |
| 09:54.39 | luciver | nvz: i agree with my ignorance about official debian policy.. it created a nice system maybe, but i dont mind breaking it if i want to :) |
| 09:54.39 | Bagmatic | uhm, |
| 09:54.47 | nvz | luciver: you are talking about something we have clearly outline violates debian package policy, fhs, the user/admin relationship that is governed by privlage separation.. so on and so on we of #debian believe in all this and thats what we are here to talk about |
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| 09:54.54 | Bagmatic | trying to get an mp3 player connected |
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| 09:55.05 | luciver | nvz: i woudltn put it in official distros either without playing around with it first, myself |
| 09:55.12 | Bagmatic | i figure, it's basically a USD flash drive right? |
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| 09:55.18 | Bagmatic | USB * |
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| 09:55.28 | nvz | luciver: if you want to know how other OS's do those insane things.. go talk to people who use, know, and/pr care about them |
| 09:55.32 | luciver | nvz: debian policy cant be challenged on #debian? |
| 09:55.35 | liable_ | Bagmatic: yes, see what dmesg says about it. |
| 09:55.38 | luciver | basically |
| 09:55.38 | nvz | luciver: you are totally in the wrong place. |
| 09:55.40 | vorlon | nvz: nah, I don't believe in user/admin relationships |
| 09:55.41 | shingouz | !tell Bagmatic about ask |
| 09:55.41 | ircdevil | Bagmatic: did you check the faq? |
| 09:55.45 | shingouz | !tell Bagmatic about usb storage |
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| 09:56.03 | bibe | Bagmatic : insert your USB device and read 'dmesg' output, it should list the linux device mapped to the USB device (say, /dev/sda) and the partition(s), say /dev/sda1. Then make an empty directory and 'mount /dev/sda1 /your_dir_here' |
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| 09:56.12 | luciver | nvz: ok but asking how to adapt apt to do what i want on #windows or #osx so to speak, would be quite odd.. |
| 09:56.13 | nvz | luciver: no it cant. #debian is a user support channel, we are here because we believe in it.. and we cannot change it.. that is to be taken up with developers and such |
| 09:56.21 | Bagmatic | aha, ty, i'll try that at once. |
| 09:56.22 | luciver | ah |
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| 09:56.39 | luciver | sorry then.. is there a channel you recommend? |
| 09:56.45 | nvz | luciver: no you ask them how their shitty OS's are able to do such a thing |
| 09:56.50 | ircdevil | luciver: debian-devel? |
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| 09:56.55 | luciver | i know how they do such things |
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| 09:57.03 | bun-pav | hi..I'm trying to copy a video CD using dd if=/dev/hdc of=vcd.iso ... but it fails with an I/O error...the same cd copies well in windows XP, but it mentions that the CD is copyprotected. how do i copy it under linux |
| 09:57.10 | Bagmatic | dmesg says nothing. |
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| 09:57.17 | Bagmatic | my system can't see it |
| 09:57.18 | Bagmatic | at all |
| 09:57.19 | Bagmatic | :s |
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| 09:57.32 | luciver | and its possible in linux as well.. my question was why its unmanaged in linux :( |
| 09:57.40 | liable_ | Bagmatic: debian kernel? |
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| 09:58.00 | Bagmatic | gentoo actually :| |
| 09:58.01 | ircdevil | Bagmatic: check the faq and ease off the retrun key |
| 09:58.10 | ircdevil | !faq Bagmatic |
| 09:58.11 | Bagmatic | but no one anywhere will talk to me and i've been trying for 4 and a half hours now |
| 09:58.11 | dpkg | Bagmatic: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 09:58.11 | luciver | but i didnt know this is a user support channel :) i wouldnt mind taking it to some dev orso channel |
| 09:58.12 | liable_ | err.. |
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| 09:58.22 | shingouz | Bagmatic: then wtf are you doing here if gentoo does not know? |
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| 09:58.37 | Bagmatic | shingouz -: gentoo won't let me in coz i'm not a reg nickname |
| 09:58.40 | ircdevil | !tell Bagmatic about ask |
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| 09:58.55 | liable_ | Bagmatic: umm, this aint the right channel, but I would be looking at kernel config.. |
| 09:59.01 | bomb | it takes about what, 10 seconds to register your name? |
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| 09:59.04 | shingouz | Bagmatic: oh. too bad. and we have no clue about gentoo so you are screwed |
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| 09:59.22 | Bagmatic | well i have more knowlege than i started with |
| 09:59.29 | liable_ | Bagmatic: so register.. |
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| 09:59.32 | bucky | Bagmatic, /msg NickServ help and register your nick |
| 09:59.35 | ircdevil | aargh! a gentoo luser! |
| 09:59.37 | cat | hey can someone teach me how can i open up a port with iptables? |
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| 09:59.53 | bomb | aww, now now, let's not talk trash about Gentoo |
| 09:59.54 | asmodaiii | Bagmatic: funny :) |
| 09:59.55 | bomb | i mean come on |
| 09:59.58 | bomb | those emoticons are cute. |
| 09:59.59 | luciver | ah well lunchtime.. at least thanks for explaining why this stuff never was even remotely developped in debian |
| 10:00.03 | ircdevil | !smite Bagmatic |
| 10:00.08 | bucky | luciver, *nix security is based on permissions... if that goes out the window, you have no security |
| 10:00.08 | Bagmatic | lol |
| 10:00.18 | ma3x | if i copy something and then close that window, the cache clears. Is there a way to keep it? |
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| 10:00.42 | luciver | bucky: ok but i dont see the difference at all when its about permissions.. compiling sources in your homedir vs. asking a tool to install it in your homedir.. |
| 10:00.49 | bucky | luciver, you can always start your own distro like the other debian based distros that don't adhere to debian policy |
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| 10:00.55 | asmodaiii | ma3x: no |
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| 10:01.29 | cat | hey can someone teach me how can i open up a port with iptables? |
| 10:01.37 | bibe | cat: 'man iptables', search for rule-specification |
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| 10:02.18 | ma3x | asmodaiii, but why the cache clears after you close that window? |
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| 10:02.33 | bucky | luciver, you not being able to comprehend something so basic to operating systems is not our problem |
| 10:02.39 | bibe | cat: and get http://netfilter.org/documentation/index.html#documentation-howto |
| 10:02.41 | liable_ | gah, cant someone dos that fucking ip |
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| 10:03.54 | jim | cat: that's a specific application of iptables, and its specifics depend on the shape of your network |
| 10:04.09 | asmodaiii | ma3x: i dont know, its always like this |
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| 10:04.18 | ma3x | liable_, what ip? |
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| 10:05.22 | liable_ | ma3x: what the channell for a while and youll see. |
| 10:05.37 | jim | rather than dos it, report it to the owner of that network of ips and have him shut it down and help his customer keep these things out |
| 10:05.45 | Ronin | liable_: you mean the spam bots? just use nospam and ignore joins parts |
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| 10:05.51 | jethro | @annoy liable_ |
| 10:05.52 | ravenbird | liable_: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 10:05.58 | liable_ | hehe :) |
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| 10:06.07 | liable_ | gday jethro |
| 10:06.09 | jethro | liable_: how are you liable? |
| 10:06.11 | ma3x | liable_, you make no sense |
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| 10:06.36 | liable_ | jethro: good thanks. you? |
| 10:06.39 | jim | maybe he can't see the leaves and joins |
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| 10:06.48 | cat | Wed Sep 7 06:35:37 :Listener created :0.0.0.0 port 1234 |
| 10:06.48 | cat | Wed Sep 7 06:35:37 :Can't create listening sock on host * port 1234 (bind) |
| 10:06.50 | cat | any ideas? |
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| 10:07.06 | liable_ | ma3x: I quite often make no sense. :) |
| 10:07.06 | bob2 | something is listening on port 1234 already |
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| 10:07.14 | bob2 | use 'sudo netstat -plnt | grep 1234' to see what |
| 10:07.16 | jethro | liable_: I'm fine thanks |
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| 10:07.44 | cat | noting came out bob2 |
| 10:07.49 | ma3x | liable_, I'll dos it with my 10 up kbytes band. |
| 10:07.56 | jim | maybe he meant... "how liable are you?" |
| 10:08.17 | liable_ | ma3x: add my 28 and we might get somewhere.. :P |
| 10:08.27 | ma3x | liable_, shall we ping it to death? |
| 10:08.34 | liable_ | heh |
| 10:08.46 | ma3x | the 194.... one right? |
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| 10:08.51 | jim | pings that do not kill it, make it stronger :P |
| 10:08.52 | liable_ | yeah.. |
| 10:09.00 | ma3x | liable_, what packet size?? |
| 10:09.01 | cat | i think the ports are closed bob2 |
| 10:09.19 | ma3x | From 194.102.180.8 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 10:09.25 | _OvO_ | Sorry, got a telephone |
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| 10:10.17 | jim | _OvO_: don't be sorry... a lot of people have telephones... |
| 10:10.23 | bob2 | cat: 'closed' is a stupid term windows users who don't understand how networks work yuse |
| 10:10.36 | cat | grrrr |
| 10:10.38 | ma3x | liable_, are you game over? |
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| 10:10.51 | liable_ | ma3x: i was kidding.. |
| 10:11.14 | ma3x | liable_, dont kid anymore! :p |
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| 10:12.27 | _OvO_ | jim: :) |
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| 10:12.52 | ma3x | liable, did you get your ultra mega quiet case? |
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| 10:13.39 | liable | ma3x: heh, yeah eventually, the psu fan is fucking noisy.. :( |
| 10:13.49 | iLLf8d | is there any way to force the removal of a gforge deb? seems apt-get remove --purge isn't allowing me to remove it and no other combos of switches I 'm trying? |
| 10:13.49 | majnoon | keep getting bad net install iso's |
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| 10:14.17 | ma3x | liable, did you buy the psu separately, or it comes with the case? |
| 10:14.29 | jim | some netinst isos have md5sums |
| 10:14.43 | majnoon | i haven't found one |
| 10:14.53 | jm_ | iLLf8d: how about dpkg |
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| 10:15.13 | majnoon | using damnsmall linux noq |
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| 10:15.16 | iLLf8d | I've tried can you recommend some switchs to use? |
| 10:15.33 | liable | ma3x: came with it. I was pissed when i put it together and broke a sata cable, and then went away for a couple of weeks, and havent played with it much. get home on saturday with new cables.. |
| 10:15.34 | jm_ | standard remove/purge switch |
| 10:15.35 | majnoon | tried chroot install LOTSA times |
| 10:15.49 | jim | oic |
| 10:16.07 | majnoon | what the easiest derive to convert ?? |
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| 10:18.00 | Guerin | all the official isos have md5sums |
| 10:18.08 | Guerin | in a file in the same directory you got them from |
| 10:18.12 | ma3x | liable, what was that again, artec? |
| 10:18.33 | Guerin | majnoon: debian |
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| 10:18.57 | liable | ma3x: um, something very similar to that, cant remember. |
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| 10:19.11 | liable | ma3x: antec.. |
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| 10:19.37 | ma3x | liable, ok |
| 10:19.44 | rixth | What is a good new reader that can display images inline? I searched, found pan, but that was rather useless. |
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| 10:21.03 | ma3x | rixth, news reader? |
| 10:21.20 | ma3x | newsgroups? |
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| 10:22.07 | rixth | ma3x, Usenet, yes |
| 10:22.15 | hyperstream_ | is there anyway i can make it so when video is being displayed (tv capture card / movies) my screensaver doesnt come on |
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| 10:22.46 | ma3x | rixth, so what do you read, like world news, or debian news ...? |
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| 10:23.15 | rixth | ma3x, I just need a Usenet reader that can display images inline (no, not porn!) |
| 10:23.44 | jm_ | HyperStream: mplayer disables screen saver when it starts and then re-enables it when it exits |
| 10:24.04 | elpauer | if I run "echo export PERL5LIB=$PERL5LIB:/opt/IDEALX/imc/libexec/i586-linux-thread-multi/ >> /etc/profile", $P disappears and /etc/profile only contains "export PERL5LIB=ERL5LIB:/opt/IDEALX/imc/libexec/i586-linux-thread-multi/". What's happening? |
| 10:24.22 | bob2 | that is entirely unacceptable for a Debian package |
| 10:24.32 | jm_ | elpauer: it works as it should |
| 10:24.38 | bob2 | assuming this is stil lrefering to you packaging a perl module |
| 10:24.39 | litage | when i login, $LANGUAGE and $LANG are set incorrectly. where can i change their values back to the default "C"? |
| 10:24.43 | ma3x | rixth, did you try nn? |
| 10:24.58 | bob2 | litage: /etc/profile or /etc/environment, probably |
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| 10:25.03 | ma3x | rixth, you using kde? |
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| 10:25.09 | hyperstream_ | jm_, i use totem |
| 10:25.14 | hyperstream_ | thats a no go? |
| 10:25.21 | ledet | litage: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:25.38 | rixth | ma3x, nn is terminal based though? No, Openbox3 |
| 10:25.40 | liable | HyperStream: look in the options for disable screen saver |
| 10:25.43 | jm_ | hyperstream_: I don't know, you can always write a shell script that disables screensaver, runs totem, and then enables it again when totem exits |
| 10:25.44 | CVirus | guys .. anybody with an MSI 915P Neo2 Motherboard ?! |
| 10:25.52 | ma3x | rixth, apt-cache search news reader and try out a few,,.. |
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| 10:25.54 | jm_ | or a shell function or ... |
| 10:26.16 | rixth | ma3x, been there :) pan is good except it wont display images inline |
| 10:26.21 | hyperstream_ | how would i go about that |
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| 10:26.46 | ma3x | rixth, it displays them all mixed or what? |
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| 10:27.02 | rixth | ma3x, seems to try and display them as text, yes |
| 10:27.18 | litage | bob2: no mention of LANG or LANGUAGE in /etc/* |
| 10:27.28 | litage | ledet: locales isn't even installed |
| 10:27.42 | ledet | litage: consider installing it then |
| 10:28.08 | litage | ledet: i've never needed it before though. i just want to use the default/US language |
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| 10:29.28 | ma3x | rixth, did you try xrn? |
| 10:29.42 | liable | litage: base-config? |
| 10:30.07 | rixth | Nope, I'm getting it now |
| 10:30.14 | ma3x | rixth, good luck |
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| 10:30.24 | Ekaterin | I have a problem with xfig. It doesn't display Greek letters correctly on screen, although they print out fine. |
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| 10:30.41 | ma3x | if that doesn't work ask some of the other guys, im off,having lunch |
| 10:30.51 | litage | liable: $LANG is set to en_AU. i went through base-config, and the only thing i set as australian was my timezone |
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| 10:31.42 | yam | hmmm is there a good and updated howto about using GFS on debian servers? |
| 10:32.03 | elpauer | jm_ how do I do for $P not to be replaced. I mean, I want the whole line in /etc/profile |
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| 10:32.53 | litage | elpauer: escape the "$" with a backslash: \ |
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| 10:33.27 | jm_ | elpauer: you have to learn about the options your shell has for this |
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| 10:33.40 | jim | elpauer: you should think about learning your shell too |
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| 10:34.21 | jim | it's pretty handy to write little programs in |
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| 10:34.50 | OleMoudi | anybody here running testing and still with evolution breakage ? |
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| 10:35.30 | jim | it's possible the bts might have something to say about that |
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| 10:37.03 | OleMoudi | jim, its a bug from libgnomecanvas, it's only I'm surprised such a bug remains unfixed for such a long time (2months or so) being evoution a very popular app |
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| 10:37.40 | jim | OleMoudi: ohh... hmm... hey! you could try fixing it! |
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| 10:38.26 | OleMoudi | I'm haven't that kind of knowledge |
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| 10:39.02 | jim | ohh.... hmm.... Hey! you could learn! |
| 10:39.02 | vorlon | OleMoudi: it's not a bug in libgnomecanvas, it's a bug in libgal2.4 which has been fixed in unstable for over a month, and the fix has just reached testing. |
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| 10:41.00 | OleMoudi | vorlon, so why my evolution keeps crashing on startup if I have been doing apt-get update/upgrade every morning ? |
| 10:41.05 | gregj | http://pastebin.com/356917 any ideas what to do with that ? |
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| 10:41.25 | Ekaterin | I have an xfig font problem - Greek letters will only display correctly at 18pt, not at 12pt or 24pt - any idea how to fix this? |
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| 10:41.44 | jm_ | GregM: you could use google for example, or ask dpkg |
| 10:41.45 | liable | isnt there even a work around for that in bts? |
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| 10:41.48 | jm_ | gregj ^^^^^^ |
| 10:41.56 | vorlon | OleMoudi: because I'm mistaken and it hasn't actually reached testing yet for some reason, which I'm checking on now. |
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| 10:42.21 | liable | OleMoudi: read the bts, iirc theres a workaround given.. |
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| 10:42.27 | vorlon | OleMoudi: ah. It hasn't reached testing because it's part of the GNOME transition, which means it should reach testing by sometime this weekend if everything goes according to plan. |
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| 10:42.40 | OleMoudi | great then |
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| 10:43.39 | elpauer | jim, jm_ escaping with \$ works from command line but it does not from debian/rules in my package. Any tip? |
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| 10:44.04 | jim | OleMoudi, you could get the source of that package and build a package on your testing |
| 10:44.10 | Myon | elpauer: that's a Makefile, use $$ |
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| 10:44.16 | OleMoudi | liable, there is a workaround, but iirc you end up mixing packages of different versions and i prefer not to mess with that kind of things and let apt-get do that for me as I dont feel confident enough |
| 10:44.26 | jm_ | elpauer: double \, ', ... |
| 10:44.26 | jim | debian/rules is usually a makefile |
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| 10:44.57 | jim | so you have that part to contend with too |
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| 10:46.05 | liable | !hi |
| 10:46.05 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 10:46.07 | bob2 | people will whinge if it is not |
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| 10:48.28 | liable | !test |
| 10:48.28 | dpkg | No, liable, you're not online any more. |
| 10:49.02 | bucky | !fuck liable |
| 10:49.24 | liable | thanks, i think.. |
| 10:49.29 | vorlon | ... is that really necessary? |
| 10:49.50 | stockholm | me too |
| 10:49.52 | shingouz | vorlon: yes it is, it lessens the frustrations |
| 10:50.09 | bucky | !badger me |
| 10:50.11 | vorlon | shingouz: not really, it just displaces them. |
| 10:50.12 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 10:50.14 | Myon | shingouz: not of those who have to read the crap |
| 10:50.27 | shingouz | Myon: /ignore me |
| 10:50.55 | liable | just keep talking, so I dont keep thinking i have dropped off the server.. |
| 10:51.52 | shingouz | speaking of frustrations, i have 90 boxen coming in in a couple of days, they are supposd to get an XP install cloned onto them. what should i use over the network? dd? partimage? something else? |
| 10:52.26 | jim | probably you should consider ghost |
| 10:52.34 | jm_ | you could also use automated Windows installation ;) |
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| 10:52.59 | shingouz | geee.... takes too long and i do not have ghost. a legal version of ghost that is |
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| 10:53.24 | jm_ | partimager is GPL-ed |
| 10:53.32 | jm_ | sorry system imager |
| 10:53.37 | rhalff | if I portforward port 22, I can still ssh into the firewall but filetransfers will be directed to the other machine right ? or could it possibly break ssh'ing into the firewall ? |
| 10:53.43 | liable | 90 boxes with xp? suicide? |
| 10:53.46 | rhalff | oops wrong port number. |
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| 10:54.56 | jim | 22 -is- the ssh port... sshs (and scps and sftps) would probably go to the internal box |
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| 10:55.17 | shingouz | liable: it is highly possible i will commit suicide if i have to do the cloning on windows. if i can do it under linux i just might survive |
| 10:55.20 | bibe | shingouz : I'd use partimage over nfs, systemrescuecd comes with a live cd suitable for the work |
| 10:55.47 | jim | simon phillips plays in toto now |
| 10:56.10 | petemc | shingouz: dd and netcat would work, tho other commercial imagers will have built in smarts for changing sids etc |
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| 10:58.01 | shingouz | petemc: hmm.. maybe i could pipe the stuff through gzip to lower the bandwidth too? |
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| 10:59.12 | jim | they might be using pwgen to come up with bot nicks |
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| 11:00.26 | jm_ | heh |
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| 11:00.42 | liable | i dont understand what the point is in joining here though, unless its some plan from a fucktard like kawfee.. |
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| 11:01.01 | Ekaterin | Is it OK to remove the package gsfonts-x11? See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=210362 (an xfig bug) for why I'm considering this. |
| 11:01.19 | jm_ | liable: to annoy people I suppose |
| 11:01.40 | liable | jm_: well that certainly works. |
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| 11:04.51 | jim | Ekaterin: why not? |
| 11:05.24 | Guerin | all bittorrent clients are shit |
| 11:05.30 | Guerin | this i have decided |
| 11:05.31 | Ekaterin | jim: libgnomeprintdata Recommends it, which suggests that it's doing something useful. |
| 11:05.33 | liable | hah |
| 11:05.39 | jm_ | Guerin: just like MUA-s? |
| 11:05.46 | Guerin | jm_: exactly like that |
| 11:06.01 | jm_ | dunno, I still like rtorrent |
| 11:06.02 | daft | My server HD crashed some time ago installed sarge but no the ip masq isnt working for ssl what am i missing? |
| 11:06.08 | Gathond | most non trivial software sux one way or the other |
| 11:06.22 | Guerin | rtorrent is currently the best of the bunch, but it checks hashes excrutiatingly slowly, and is impossible to automate |
| 11:06.44 | Guerin | bittornado is a good second, but the UI is appallingly limited |
| 11:06.46 | liable | bittornado always worked ok for me.. |
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| 11:07.01 | jim | but it doesn't actually depend on it... which means it's more or less optional |
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| 11:07.08 | jm_ | hmm my P2 333 machine does it at arround 5M/s I think, possibly faster, doesn't sound too slow for me |
| 11:07.35 | Guerin | jm_: what filesystem? I'm wondering whether dropping to ext2 is in order |
| 11:07.40 | jm_ | Guerin: ext3 |
| 11:07.45 | Guerin | most of my cpu time is spent waiting for disk access |
| 11:07.49 | asmodaiii | btdownloadcurses works really well |
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| 11:08.15 | Guerin | asmodaiii: it does ONE torrent at a time, it's useless |
| 11:08.23 | jm_ | let me check if rtorrent has options to control that, I remember reading about it, but maybe it was something else |
| 11:08.38 | asmodaiii | Guerin: so use btlaunchmanycurses lol |
| 11:08.54 | Guerin | asmodaiii: which has exactly O UI controls |
| 11:09.02 | Guerin | 0 |
| 11:09.04 | Guerin | i should say |
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| 11:09.22 | Guerin | and is therefore less useless, but not by much |
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| 11:09.50 | asmodaiii | use what u want, i do the same, 300KBits/s is enough for me lol |
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| 11:09.58 | liable | how much pr0n you need to download at once anyway? :P |
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| 11:10.17 | Guerin | asmodaiii: yeah, it's not enough for me |
| 11:10.21 | jm_ | Guerin: The setting hash_read_ahead controls how many MB to ask the kernel to read ahead when doing hash checking. If this value is too low it might not fully utilize the possible IO, while too high it might make the kernel give up. This should depend on how much free memory is available and the kernel implementation. Usefull values would propably range from 1 to 10 |
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| 11:10.26 | ErRandir | is there a way I can browse what patches are in the debian-kernel SVN repository for e.g 2.6.12? |
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| 11:10.32 | asmodaiii | http://lilim.homelinux.org/~asmodaiii/screen/screen_bt3.jpg |
| 11:10.57 | Guerin | jm_: aha |
| 11:11.13 | Guerin | jm_: well, i'm in IO wait all the time, so I should try to set it lower |
| 11:11.35 | Guerin | jm_: is that just from TFM? I swear i've read that thing a thousand times |
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| 11:12.13 | antgel__ | disk down in a 3 x 160gb raid-5. i have a replacement 200gb here. if i make the raid partition on the new drive larger than it was on the old drive, will that make a difference to array capacity, or is it a recipe for disaster? |
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| 11:13.06 | findme | how do i convert from ogg to mp3? |
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| 11:13.34 | valdyn | jm_ / Guerin: rtorrent is doing something horrible with disk access since appearantly its as fast on a p2 333 as on my athlon64 |
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| 11:14.11 | Fleck | what would be Umask if i need group rwx ? |
| 11:14.34 | bibe | Fleck : on files? |
| 11:14.40 | Guerin | Fleck: 002 |
| 11:14.42 | liable | findme: transcode |
| 11:14.55 | Fleck | Guerin are you sure? |
| 11:14.58 | jm_ | Guerin: from his page, Performance tuning link |
| 11:15.05 | Guerin | Fleck: 100% |
| 11:15.05 | jm_ | valdyn: I will run it on my Athlon and compare |
| 11:15.08 | findme | liable, thanks any commands that i have to give. |
| 11:15.09 | Fleck | ok |
| 11:15.15 | findme | liable, parameters |
| 11:15.30 | Guerin | valdyn: well, how fast is fast? |
| 11:15.35 | liable | findme: no idea, havent ever done it. sorry |
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| 11:15.44 | bibe | Fleck : umask 002 gives you g+rwx non directories, not on files |
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| 11:15.50 | valdyn | Guerin: what jm_ said, 5M/s |
| 11:15.55 | bibe | Fleck : files will have g+rw |
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| 11:16.24 | Fleck | bibe what do you mean ? |
| 11:16.38 | Fleck | i need on dirs rwx and files rw |
| 11:16.42 | Fleck | on group |
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| 11:17.00 | bibe | Fleck : so it's ok, umask 002 as Guerin told you. |
| 11:17.28 | Fleck | ok will try it out |
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| 11:17.52 | Fleck | on dirs works |
| 11:18.01 | Fleck | on files doesn't |
| 11:18.09 | bibe | Fleck : directories will _always_ have 777-<umask> permissions, and files will _always_ have 666-<umask> |
| 11:18.39 | Fleck | hmmzs |
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| 11:18.52 | Fleck | but file is g+r only :( |
| 11:19.02 | bibe | Fleck: 'umask 002; touch pippo; ls -l pippo' must give you -rw-rw-r-- pippo |
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| 11:20.20 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 11:20.25 | bibe | hi nullvoid |
| 11:20.53 | nullvoid | why when I type this the system doesn't want to create the home dir? : useradd test -c "Testing User" -g "staffz" -d /home/test |
| 11:21.12 | bibe | nullvoid : are you running it as root? |
| 11:21.13 | bob2 | why not just use adduser? |
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| 11:21.21 | Maulkin | nullvoid: you missed out "-m" |
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| 11:21.39 | jelly | !win Maulkin |
| 11:21.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, Maulkin! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 11:21.42 | beanz | Allo. What do I have to do to get Debian Sarge to talk to a Sybase server through php using utf8? It's not playing ball. |
| 11:22.07 | jim | you can't do it with a ball... |
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| 11:22.11 | nullvoid | yes thanks Maulkin |
| 11:22.15 | Maulkin | :P |
| 11:22.22 | Maulkin | Done that many times myself. |
| 11:22.29 | jelly | beanz: real sybase or MSSQL? |
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| 11:22.38 | beanz | jelly: real |
| 11:22.39 | Maulkin | nullvoid: I'd suggest just using adduser though. |
| 11:22.47 | jelly | Not that I know the answer either way ;-) |
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| 11:23.32 | beanz | I'm specifying the charset as utf8, am using the right LANG environment variables, but the data - only through php - doesn't come back as utf8 |
| 11:23.38 | beanz | I feel like I want to eat a wet sponge. |
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| 11:23.49 | bob2 | apache is not going to see $LANG |
| 11:24.01 | bob2 | I'd assume you need to tell your php script to spit out data as utf-8 |
| 11:24.04 | Guerin | jm_: whee, much faster |
| 11:24.07 | bob2 | knowing php, it probably defaults to EBDIC |
| 11:24.11 | beanz | bob2: this is command line php - php4 from php4-cgi |
| 11:24.39 | beanz | Once the command line version works, I'll get the apache version working |
| 11:24.42 | bob2 | hm |
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| 11:25.45 | jm_ | Guerin: what value have you used? |
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| 11:26.50 | Guerin | jm_: still playing with them, but basically the ones in that issue thread |
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| 11:27.10 | Funtik | ðóññêèå åñòü? |
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| 11:27.18 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.33 | bob2 | Funtik: ASCII, please |
| 11:27.47 | bob2 | or maybe a reasonable utf-8 subset |
| 11:27.47 | jim | and you'll get an ANSI from someone I'm sure |
| 11:28.30 | Funtik | do you speak Russia |
| 11:28.38 | beanz | I speak France |
| 11:28.45 | bob2 | !+russian |
| 11:28.45 | dpkg | i heard russian is Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 11:28.58 | jim | not me; sorry |
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| 11:29.03 | antgel__ | disk down in a 3 x 160gb raid-5. i have a replacement 200gb here. if i make the raid partition on the new drive larger than it was on the old drive, will that make a difference to array capacity, or is it a recipe for disaster? |
| 11:29.08 | Funtik | senk |
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| 11:30.22 | bibe | Fleck : what does 'ls -ld .' output? You can be in a directory with the sticky bit set, or something like thar |
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| 11:30.24 | bibe | that |
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| 11:31.37 | nullvoid | how can I get the double-quote appear at the output: gawk -F'|' '{ print "useradd " $2 "" -c "" $1 }' email |
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| 11:31.53 | jim | \"? |
| 11:32.01 | bibe | nullvoid : slash 'em |
| 11:32.08 | Guerin | wow, insanely much faster |
| 11:32.08 | jim | burn em |
| 11:32.12 | nullvoid | no go |
| 11:32.39 | nullvoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.59 | jim | hmm, that's stupid of it |
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| 11:33.23 | jim | try quoting with non-\ed "s |
| 11:33.39 | jim | then put \ed "s inside the "ed string |
| 11:33.56 | jim | try print " \" " |
| 11:34.05 | jim | if that works you in |
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| 11:34.29 | nullvoid | Warning: unknown mime-type for " " " -- using "application/*" |
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| 11:34.52 | jim | dunno what to tell ya |
| 11:35.09 | jim | that mime type thing, didn't know awk was part of that |
| 11:35.13 | bibe | Fleck : what does 'ls -ld .' output? You can be in a directory with the sticky bit set, or something like thar |
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| 11:36.17 | jim | I mean try this... |
| 11:36.21 | jim | awk |
| 11:36.26 | jim | err one sec |
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| 11:38.39 | jim | gawk '{ print " \" " }' |
| 11:38.48 | jim | and feed it anythign |
| 11:39.12 | jim | if that works, then you know you can use \"s inside " ... " |
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| 11:40.22 | Guerin | now to try watching that league match again |
| 11:40.26 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:40.29 | Guerin | wrong window |
| 11:40.49 | bob2 | you're teaching over IRC now? |
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| 11:40.55 | Guerin | hah |
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| 11:47.49 | dealt | hi |
| 11:48.01 | litage | howdy |
| 11:48.27 | dealt | quick question: how can i chown a group of file and set owner according to file's name? |
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| 11:49.06 | dealt | i'll be using it in /var/spool/mail. where <filename> should be the name of its owner |
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| 11:49.16 | Myon | dealt: for f in * ; do chown $f $f ; done |
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| 11:49.52 | dealt | great! thank u so much Myon |
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| 11:54.57 | cusco | where can I get the mozilla firefox - mplayer plugin? |
| 11:55.25 | liable | the repos.. |
| 11:55.42 | streuner | !info mozilla-mplayer |
| 11:55.43 | liable | the debian one sucks though, compile it.. |
| 11:55.44 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 3.05-1 (sid), Packaged size: 379 kB, Installed size: 1180 kB |
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| 11:56.47 | streuner | !tell cusco about search |
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| 11:58.23 | RainbowW | is there anyone who can do some off-#debian help with samba? the samba guys aren't answering this morning. |
| 11:58.24 | miag | !flickr |
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| 11:58.53 | cusco | liable: streuner apt-cache search mozilla |grep -i mplayer |
| 11:58.56 | cusco | shows nothing |
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| 11:59.10 | cusco | oh |
| 11:59.11 | cusco | sid |
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| 11:59.29 | streuner | cusco: is 'contrib' in your sources.list? |
| 11:59.33 | liable | !info mozilla-mplayer sarge |
| 11:59.35 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
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| 11:59.54 | liable | cusco: add contrib to your sources. |
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| 12:01.28 | cusco | oh |
| 12:01.31 | cusco | oki dooki |
| 12:01.44 | cusco | thanks |
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| 12:02.17 | litage | hrm, why would `dpkg-reconfigure phpldapadmin` do nothing? (after hitting enter, i just get the prompt again) |
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| 12:02.28 | RainbowW | is there a tool that lets me browse smb shares? |
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| 12:02.47 | liable | smbclient |
| 12:03.09 | liable | smbclient -L hostmachine |
| 12:03.16 | streuner | litage: search the package, if there isn't a debconf file for it you are out of luck then |
| 12:03.26 | litage | thanks streuner |
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| 12:05.44 | RainbowW | i fucking hate samba |
| 12:05.57 | liable | yes, it can be a prick.. |
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| 12:06.20 | litage | streuner: are you sure about that? `dpkg -S apache | grep debconf` returns nothing, but i can reconfigure apache |
| 12:06.31 | RainbowW | it's refusing connections and i don't understand why and the logs shed absolutely no light |
| 12:06.49 | litage | RainbowW: firewall issues maybe? |
| 12:06.53 | EmleyMoor | It can be bad enough between Windows boxen |
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| 12:07.22 | RainbowW | litage, stock install of sarge, plus samba and ncftp. iptables -F run. connection refused. |
| 12:07.33 | RainbowW | boxen on the same subnet |
| 12:07.48 | liable | can you see it with smbclient? |
| 12:08.03 | RainbowW | no i get connection refused, both by netbios name and ip |
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| 12:08.11 | resiak | RainbowW: Can you connect to the samba server from the same machine ? |
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| 12:08.13 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 12:08.14 | linoleum | hello guys |
| 12:08.17 | liable | using the username and password? |
| 12:08.24 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 12:09.19 | RainbowW | Guerin: smbd and nmbd are running, and there is no firewall on this box. |
| 12:09.21 | tchize | Hello again everyone |
| 12:09.21 | streuner | litage: Search for a filename from installed packages, i.e. dpkg -S /usr/bin/filename |
| 12:09.41 | jm_ | so check if they're listening on that port , including the right IP |
| 12:09.50 | streuner | litage: that would search in a package, the right option is '-L' |
| 12:10.03 | tchize | Can someone tell me wy kcontrol on debian suddently says kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ |
| 12:10.12 | linoleum | I still got a problem with my locales ... I have set my locales with dpkg-reconfigure locales , and dpkg-reconfigure localeconf ... but I still have an error outpout when I'm installing or removing a package |
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| 12:10.29 | tchize | my kcontrol is empty, i can't configure anymore my kde |
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| 12:10.40 | liable | tchize: sid? |
| 12:10.51 | versuchsanstalt | tchize: maybe try in #debian-kde if you dont get an answer here |
| 12:10.53 | tchize | unstable |
| 12:11.04 | drac | good luck .. |
| 12:11.14 | resiak | tchize: Can a newly-created user use kcontrol? If not, check the BTS. If so, it's your configuration. You are, however, using Sid. so I will now just point and laugh. |
| 12:11.32 | litage | streuner: `dpkg -L apache | grep deb` returns only htaccess.debian, yet i'm able to reconfigure it.. |
| 12:11.35 | liable | tchize: there was a bug a couple of weeks agao, kdelibdata or something or other.. |
| 12:11.47 | RainbowW | resiak: connection refused from 127.0.0.1 as well as from remote, including using username auth |
| 12:12.06 | resiak | RainbowW: Stick your config on a pastebin somewhere. |
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| 12:12.21 | tchize | i don't know for newly created users, but already created users have all problem |
| 12:12.32 | resiak | tchize: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 12:12.37 | liable | !btssmite tchize |
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| 12:12.57 | resiak | liable: You're meant to wait until he says "What's the BTS?" :) |
| 12:13.01 | user3 | helo |
| 12:13.07 | liable | heh |
| 12:13.10 | resiak | EHLO user3 |
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| 12:13.35 | EmleyMoor | Do police mail servers say "helo helo helo"? |
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| 12:13.49 | homermg | hallo |
| 12:13.53 | liable | whats going on ere then.. |
| 12:13.55 | tchize | <resiak> tchize: Have you checked the BTS? mm not yet :) used the google thingie, unless bts is not indexed by google i guess i won't find there :p |
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| 12:13.59 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: only in .uk |
| 12:14.05 | resiak | tchize: Why not? |
| 12:14.08 | homermg | can somebody help me with fetchmail? |
| 12:14.11 | user3 | ku maha damang |
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| 12:14.39 | resiak | !tell homermg -about ask |
| 12:14.46 | RainbowW | http://pastebin.com/356965 |
| 12:15.00 | aliumalik | why can't I play two audio files at the same time? |
| 12:15.12 | bob2 | aliumalik: because your sound card is crap |
| 12:15.20 | tchize | mm is there a search by comment on bts? |
| 12:15.21 | resiak | (or because both apps are OSS) |
| 12:15.22 | bob2 | make all your programs use ESD, or setup dmix and make them use ALSA |
| 12:15.31 | aliumalik | bob2: its the best I can get with a laptop :( |
| 12:15.35 | homermg | Im newbie in Linuxworld but Im trying to install Mailserver |
| 12:15.50 | homermg | At first step i install fetchmail |
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| 12:16.02 | Guerin | !fable is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 12:16.02 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 12:16.06 | litage | aliumalik: a better question would have been "i've searched google for how to have multiple programs use the sound card at the same time, but am having problems with ___" |
| 12:16.10 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 12:16.29 | Guerin | homermg: debian includes a mail server |
| 12:16.30 | aliumalik | litage: get the hint thanks ;) |
| 12:16.37 | litage | np =P |
| 12:16.38 | homermg | now im serching for themil that i have upload from my provider on Debian |
| 12:16.41 | bob2 | aliumalik: one of the other options then |
| 12:17.00 | tchize | ok, where is the search form for bts? |
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| 12:17.07 | ircdevil | i am so amazingly impressed with wikipedea - how on earth did someone manage to put together this multitude of pages abount hurricane katarine so fast? |
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| 12:17.11 | RainbowW | resiak, you see that pastebin? |
| 12:17.12 | Myon | tchize: bugs.d.o |
| 12:17.15 | resiak | RainbowW: I do. |
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| 12:17.18 | Guerin | ircdevil: wp is teh shit |
| 12:17.27 | RainbowW | resiak, just making sure you saw it scroll by :) |
| 12:17.32 | tchize | <Myon> no search by error measage? |
| 12:17.33 | EmleyMoor | homermg: How did you run fetchmail? |
| 12:17.43 | ircdevil | !wp |
| 12:17.44 | dpkg | a word processor is to words as a food processor is to food. Use LaTeX instead! |
| 12:17.45 | ircdevil | Guerin: ? |
| 12:17.48 | Myon | tchize: that's the best you get |
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| 12:18.07 | Guerin | ircdevil: starts with w, and ends with ikipedia |
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| 12:18.14 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 12:18.23 | ircdevil | Guerin: heh ok |
| 12:18.35 | homermg | Guerin but i have to configurate them |
| 12:18.54 | jm_ | nice one |
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| 12:19.02 | resiak | RainbowW: Not a clue. |
| 12:19.14 | Guerin | homermg: that you do. WHich is why there is exim4-config, which makes it peasy for you |
| 12:19.15 | RainbowW | resiak, how to check which programs are bound where? |
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| 12:19.47 | aschipplock | hi |
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| 12:19.58 | aschipplock | how can I bind bind9 to a specific ip ? |
| 12:19.58 | resiak | RainbowW: *shrug* |
| 12:20.20 | homermg | Guerin can help me at the privat chat? |
| 12:20.24 | jm_ | !tell RainbowW -about open ports |
| 12:20.34 | bob2 | aschipplock: by reading the documentation and editing named.conf |
| 12:21.05 | Guerin | homermg: nope. I don't use exim, for a start, and we tend not to isolate ourselves by doing PM. Just ask for help in channel. |
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| 12:21.12 | Myon | homermg: I guess you could just try it yourself and then come back with real questions |
| 12:21.27 | Syph0n | RainbowW: netstat -natp |
| 12:21.31 | aschipplock | bob2: ok, my question was wrong...I have several bind9's in a chrooted environment and at boot I need to start all of them |
| 12:21.52 | homermg | Im tried for 1 Week .-) |
| 12:21.58 | Zugschlus | aschipplock: why do you need several bind9's? |
| 12:21.58 | RainbowW | okay well nmbd is bound correctly. this is making me ... unhappy. |
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| 12:22.06 | Myon | homermg: did you try exim4-config? |
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| 12:22.23 | homermg | no Im at the fetchmail |
| 12:22.34 | Myon | whatever |
| 12:22.35 | homermg | My problem now is fetchmnail |
| 12:22.44 | aschipplock | Zugschlus: don't know, I'm just a helper :) |
| 12:22.55 | Zugschlus | aschipplock: I see |
| 12:22.56 | Myon | your problem is that you don't ask real questions |
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| 12:23.20 | Myon | a real questions starts with "I have tried X, it said Y, what is wrong?" |
| 12:23.25 | aschipplock | Myon: a problem? |
| 12:23.48 | RainbowW | homermg, define more properly what you want to accomplish. what are you trying to get fetchmail to *DO*? do you want your server to sit on the net and receive mail from anywhere addressed to you? is that what you want? |
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| 12:24.06 | kip | hello |
| 12:24.16 | kip | sorry but i have a problem... |
| 12:24.40 | jm_ | we're sorry too ;) |
| 12:24.54 | homermg | With fetchmail -a -k -v a get the mails from Provider it seem ok, but cant't find the mails on debian |
| 12:24.57 | RainbowW | kip, next time, try a three-blade razor. maybe that will help. |
| 12:25.03 | aschipplock | well, I ask people with more affability in mind :) thank you |
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| 12:25.07 | streuner | litage: forget what i said about searching for debconf file, if its in a deb itself a 'templates' file you could be sure you can 'dpkg-reconfigure' it... |
| 12:25.12 | djp | hi all. can somebody tell me what i need to do in order to rectify a resolution issue on first install with debian 3.1 sarge? i can only use resolutions 800x600 and 640x480, although my graphic card can go up to 1240 odd. |
| 12:25.23 | versuchsanstalt | kip: ask your question right away. |
| 12:25.24 | homermg | wher are the mails? |
| 12:25.30 | Myon | djp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 12:27.05 | Zugschlus | homermg: see your exim log |
| 12:27.05 | djp | Myon, thanks |
| 12:27.05 | RainbowW | homermg, in never-never land along with your english skills? |
| 12:27.06 | homermg | why exim get them with fetchmail |
| 12:27.06 | homermg | ? |
| 12:27.06 | Myon | because you didn't read the fetchmail docs |
| 12:27.07 | Zugschlus | homermg: what you say doesn't parse |
| 12:27.07 | Zugschlus | your exim log should have information where the mails went |
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| 12:27.11 | homermg | where are the exim logs? |
| 12:27.20 | Zugschlus | homermg: where would you expect logs to be? |
| 12:27.23 | sep | homermg, guess once |
| 12:27.25 | resiak | /var/log/exim* ! |
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| 12:27.54 | Zugschlus | RainbowW: no need to be offensive |
| 12:28.01 | Gnea | Zugschlus: doesn't parse? are you a human or a computer? |
| 12:28.15 | Zugschlus | RainbowW: and you need to honor the geneva convention |
| 12:28.31 | RainbowW | Zugschlus, i'm neither a state nor a state agent. no, i don't. |
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| 12:28.36 | Zugschlus | good ;) |
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| 12:29.31 | djp | Myon, unfortunately, when i try and use my keyboard to reconfigure options after running the command you gave, it does not respond correctly, throwing out strange characters. i ran the command from terminal using gksu |
| 12:30.01 | Myon | try the linux console |
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| 12:30.26 | djp | will do Myon |
| 12:30.41 | homermg | in the lofile is nothing about where the mails are |
| 12:30.48 | homermg | ups |
| 12:30.56 | homermg | in the filelog i mean |
| 12:31.01 | Zugschlus | homermg: filelog? |
| 12:31.10 | homermg | logfile |
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| 12:31.23 | RainbowW | still need some help diagnosing connection refused errors out of smbclient when connecting to a samba server. smb.conf is at http://pastebin.com/356965, this is under sarge. no firewall, no nothing. |
| 12:31.31 | Zugschlus | well, in that case, it looks like your fetchmal is not delivering the messages to exim. Please try to debug fetchmail |
| 12:31.35 | djp | Myon, isn't CTRL~ |
| 12:31.41 | djp | Myon, sorry |
| 12:31.43 | Zugschlus | as far as I know, fetchmail has quite elaborate debugging facilities |
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| 12:32.18 | djp | Myon, isn't CTRL+ALT+F12 to use the linux console? |
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| 12:32.23 | antgel | !test |
| 12:32.23 | dpkg | Yes, antgel, you're still online. |
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| 12:32.42 | jm_ | djp: I doubt you have 12 consoles active |
| 12:32.45 | antgel | have been having some connection problems, not sure if last message got through |
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| 12:32.50 | antgel | ok. i've just added a new hard disk to a raid-5 to replace the failed disk. when i opened the box, the disks were hot to the touch! is this normal? they are 160gb ata, nothing exciting, in a large tower with fans front and back. the server gets a lot of use from us, but never stressed much. is this normal? |
| 12:32.55 | antgel | (when i say hot to the touch, i reckon if i'd put my finger on one for 10 seconds, there would have been much pain) |
| 12:32.59 | Gnea | IBM Thinkpad 500MHZ PIII Processor Board Mmc-II 10L1355 |
| 12:33.00 | homermg | at the installing the Debian the system ask me for installing a mailserver, how do i get this menu onece more? |
| 12:33.00 | Myon | djp: F1 |
| 12:33.01 | Gnea | oops |
| 12:33.05 | jm_ | antgel: apt-cache show hddtemp |
| 12:33.13 | Myon | homermg: tasksel |
| 12:33.14 | resiak | homermg: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 12:33.15 | djp | Myon, thanks |
| 12:33.19 | Syph0n | antgel: pretty normal |
| 12:33.23 | djp | jm_, :) |
| 12:33.32 | Zugschlus | homermg: your exim does not receive the messages if they're not in the log |
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| 12:33.42 | Zugschlus | reconfiguring exim will most probably not help |
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| 12:33.46 | antgel | Syph0n: how can that be? our failur rate with ide disks is alarming. they don't even last a year |
| 12:33.53 | antgel | jm_: i'll have a look, thanks |
| 12:33.58 | Syph0n | antgel: Maxtors? |
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| 12:34.41 | antgel | Syph0n: yeah. i have a pile of the fuckers sitting in the corner |
| 12:34.56 | Gnea | Zugschlus: that's not necessarily true. |
| 12:35.01 | jethro | 8tain sinon -S -et -M ca own |
| 12:35.07 | Syph0n | antgel: same here, we hate maxtor |
| 12:35.09 | Gnea | Zugschlus: you assume too much. |
| 12:35.15 | jethro | ECHAN |
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| 12:35.37 | Zugschlus | Gnea: enlighten me please |
| 12:35.39 | antgel | Syph0n: jesus. here i am sweating while mr maxtor sits there getting a blow job whilst eating porsche caviar |
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| 12:35.49 | Gnea | Zugschlus: that is not possible. |
| 12:36.04 | Syph0n | antgel: nothing you can do about those fuckers really, they fail at an incedible rate. Buy WD or Seagate or something if possible |
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| 12:36.36 | pigor | yet i have used an cd-version of sarge (downloaded last year in november). i will make a network dist-update with testing. what do i have to keep in mind? |
| 12:36.41 | petemc | Gnea: why dont you just let Zugschlus help people, theres nobody in this channel in a batter position to do so |
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| 12:37.00 | petemc | s/bat/bet/ |
| 12:37.00 | Zugschlus | Gnea: please explain that |
| 12:37.12 | Serpentwolf | hi guys... having a bit of a predicament with a partition setup on a debian box. / only has 80 MB free, while /var is consuming 10 GB for no reason.... is there a safe way to resize. or does anyone have any (appreciated) advice? |
| 12:37.21 | RainbowW | i'm really getting tired of zits in my pubic hair. and samba is still pissing me off. |
| 12:37.30 | Zugschlus | RainbowW: how about a shave? |
| 12:37.34 | bob2 | Serpentwolf: move /usr ont hte /var partition, and symlink it |
| 12:37.34 | jm_ | petemc: is he one of the maintainers? |
| 12:37.37 | Syph0n | Serpentwolf: apt-get autoclean |
| 12:37.41 | petemc | jm_: yeah |
| 12:37.42 | Gathond | Serpentwolf: tried apt-get clean? |
| 12:37.42 | RainbowW | Zugschlus, ick. |
| 12:37.45 | Gnea | Zugschlus: nah |
| 12:37.47 | cahoot | haha |
| 12:37.55 | Gathond | Serpentwolf: it might be apts cache that contains alot of cruft |
| 12:37.59 | fireba11 | Serpentwolf: /var holds your logfiles ... |
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| 12:38.00 | Zugschlus | Gnea: why not? I might be missing something |
| 12:38.02 | jm_ | I wonder if he would know how to solve the problem I asked about on #exim several months ago |
| 12:38.08 | Guerin | Zugschlus: for the 9 year-old look? |
| 12:38.10 | Gnea | Zugschlus: i have nothing to explain to the likes of you. |
| 12:38.20 | Serpentwolf | ok thanks, im gonna go for the moving of /usr onto var |
| 12:38.21 | petemc | jm_: perhaps, tho isnt it exim3? |
| 12:38.46 | jm_ | petemc: yes, but I suppose I can upgrade, I did it at home and it's equally simple for my type of configuration |
| 12:39.05 | Gnea | Serpentwolf: and if syslog isn't running, then exim will still send emails and won't be logged |
| 12:39.06 | petemc | jm_: the exim channel is a lot more lively not, certainyl worth a shit |
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| 12:39.08 | Zugschlus | Gnea: may I ask why you are offensive? |
| 12:39.08 | petemc | gah, shot |
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| 12:39.21 | pigor | is it undangerous to make a dist-update? or do i have to keep anything in mind? |
| 12:39.25 | Gnea | Zugschlus: no, you may not. |
| 12:39.33 | homermg | it doesn work the F*** mailserver i have tried so many hotos |
| 12:39.41 | homermg | howtos |
| 12:39.51 | Serpentwolf | Gnea thanks |
| 12:39.58 | Zugschlus | homermg: most HOWTOs found on the net are wrong or misleading. Try to build your own knowlegde. |
| 12:40.02 | Gnea | homermg: sorry, i missed the original problem - is that exim3 or exim4? |
| 12:40.10 | Guerin | homermg: it does fucking work, you just haven't set it up properly |
| 12:40.17 | Zugschlus | Gnea: do you want me to leave? |
| 12:40.26 | Guerin | homermg: my advice to you is to get a gmail.com address. I will happily provide you with an invite. |
| 12:40.27 | Gnea | Zugschlus: please, point out a HOWTO on the net that is wrong and/or misleading. |
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| 12:40.38 | homermg | can somebody help me at the privat chat/room? |
| 12:40.47 | Guerin | !in private |
| 12:40.49 | aliumalik | bob2, litage, What I gather from the information I got is that I have to use something like aRts to make this happen but when I run aRts and there is even a bit of excessive cpu usage it stutters. Besides that skype doesnt work at all with it (the methods mentioned in the skype forum cause the pitch to be very high) so is there any other solution |
| 12:40.57 | jm_ | petemc: ok, I will consider an upgrade to 4.50 and then ask again there if I still see the problem (our IT has apparently changed some rules on incoming mail server, so I hope they won't be able to do what they did before) |
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| 12:41.02 | Gnea | !private |
| 12:41.02 | dpkg | NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd. |
| 12:41.09 | RainbowW | Gnea, the problem is that he doesn't know what the hell he's doing or even how to explain what he's doing in a language comprehensible to us mere mortals. My own personal supicion is that he hasn't defined the problem he's trying to solve clearly enough, and so is therefore using the wrong tools to accomplish it. |
| 12:41.10 | bob2 | aliumalik: as I said, ALSA |
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| 12:41.20 | Zugschlus | Gnea: for example, I consider a "virus scanning with exim" HOWTO misleading if it still mentions directors and tells people to do a pipe delivery to a scanner which will then re-deliver to exim after scanning. |
| 12:41.22 | Guerin | !private |
| 12:41.22 | dpkg | NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd. |
| 12:41.24 | Guerin | there it is |
| 12:41.25 | Gnea | RainbowW: i concur. |
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| 12:41.32 | Guerin | Gnea: bah |
| 12:41.36 | aliumalik | bob2: I have the ALSA drivers installed |
| 12:41.39 | resiak | bob2: FWIW, skype and alsa don't play nicely together. |
| 12:41.42 | resiak | !dmix |
| 12:41.42 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 12:41.45 | resiak | aliumalik: ^^^ |
| 12:41.50 | RainbowW | still need some help diagnosing connection refused errors out of smbclient when connecting to a samba server. smb.conf is at http://pastebin.com/356965, this is under sarge. no firewall, no nothing. |
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| 12:41.54 | bob2 | aliumalik: then make skype use alsa |
| 12:41.57 | bob2 | resiak: oh well |
| 12:42.00 | aliumalik | resiak, what do you use then? |
| 12:42.01 | Gnea | Zugschlus: i shall be more specific: please provide the url(s) to which you just claimed. |
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| 12:42.02 | bob2 | yay for binary-only crap! |
| 12:42.03 | boguh | how can i see how much memory my wm uses? |
| 12:42.08 | resiak | aliumalik: I don't use skype any more :) |
| 12:42.14 | resiak | boguh: top |
| 12:42.19 | jean | salt |
| 12:42.20 | aliumalik | resiak, then what? :) |
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| 12:42.29 | streuner | boguh: man ps, top |
| 12:42.30 | jethro | resiak: have you been able to aoss skype? |
| 12:42.31 | Zugschlus | Gnea: why should I? |
| 12:42.38 | resiak | jethro: No, it doesn't like that. |
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| 12:42.43 | resiak | jethro: Or at least it didn't. |
| 12:42.47 | cahoot | aliumalik: there's an exhaustive thread on skype forums about skype/alsa etc |
| 12:42.53 | Zugschlus | Fact is that most people who have read HOWTOs come to support channels with wrong or outdated assumptions |
| 12:43.09 | Gnea | Zugschlus: because you have done nothing but piss people off with your lack of knowledge, you have not helped them, only aggrivated them |
| 12:43.12 | Guerin | why the FUCK does vlc have five processes running to play ONE video? |
| 12:43.13 | jethro | resiak: it still doesn't. I was wondering if it was a problem on my side, or a general one |
| 12:43.18 | Guerin | ALL wanting cpu time... |
| 12:43.20 | resiak | aliumalik: On those rare occasions when I do use skype, I just stop anything else which might use the sound card. |
| 12:43.27 | resiak | jethro: General. |
| 12:43.30 | aliumalik | cahoot, that ends up in the skype_dsp_hijacker thing which causes the incoming sound to have a very high pitch |
| 12:43.31 | homermg | You says the most Howto are not correct, do have a correct Howto? |
| 12:43.33 | Gnea | Zugschlus: if that's such a 'FACT' then why do you sit here and point it out instead of correcting those mistakes? |
| 12:43.34 | jethro | Guerin: ecause it's born in france, where you hire 5 persons to do 1 job |
| 12:43.34 | RainbowW | guerin, get an 8xsmp box and you'll be fine. |
| 12:43.44 | Zugschlus | Gnea: do I know you? I am wondering why you are attacking me. |
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| 12:43.49 | roger | Yo |
| 12:43.50 | Guerin | jethro: hah |
| 12:43.53 | jean | yo |
| 12:43.55 | jean | sa va |
| 12:43.58 | jethro | !fr |
| 12:43.59 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:43.59 | Gnea | Zugschlus: this is the first time i've seen you here tonite. |
| 12:44.00 | roger | ouais et toi |
| 12:44.05 | Guerin | RainbowW: i'm running a fucking p4 ... it's not like this should be taxing |
| 12:44.08 | jean | alors les cour sa se passe |
| 12:44.12 | jethro | roger: je, either /join #debian-fr or speak english here |
| 12:44.16 | jethro | s/je/jean/ |
| 12:44.17 | Zugschlus | I happen to know what I am bad at - and that's writing beginner docs |
| 12:44.19 | jean | a ok |
| 12:44.19 | Gnea | Zugschlus: i'm attacking you? no, if i was attacking you, you'd know it. |
| 12:44.23 | jean | excuse |
| 12:44.24 | jean | me |
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| 12:44.34 | Gnea | Zugschlus: so what *are* you good at? |
| 12:44.35 | roger | how ya doing |
| 12:44.40 | linoleum | hum hello, I got a problem because I think I have set up a thing to disable the upgrade of 1 package |
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| 12:44.49 | Krefelder | hi |
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| 12:44.55 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite linoleum |
| 12:44.55 | cahoot | aliumalik: I personally found an usb phone to be the best solution (skype) |
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| 12:45.05 | Scant | w00t for a chanel suddenly full of aggressive ppl asking for help |
| 12:45.14 | resiak | Scant: You don't think that this is normal? |
| 12:45.28 | Scant | hehe |
| 12:45.39 | RainbowW | okay well my POS samba server is going in the corner for the day. hasta. |
| 12:45.40 | linoleum | resiak, :) yes sorry, well , I try to install the gnome desktop, but I can't install it because it says that there is some package that are blocked |
| 12:46.15 | resiak | linoleum: Why are you telling _me_ ? And "some package"? Do you want another vaguenesssmite? Are you using Sid? |
| 12:46.19 | Zugschlus | Gnea: take a look at the packages I maintain |
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| 12:46.40 | linoleum | resiak, yes sorry , forget it |
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| 12:47.08 | petemc | rise above it |
| 12:47.18 | Gnea | Zugschlus: that's supposed to say 'everything' just by looking at them? all that tells me is that you place more confidence in your inability to groke the real facts |
| 12:47.23 | Guerin | or sink below it, either one |
| 12:47.39 | petemc | or simply wallow in it |
| 12:47.46 | Gnea | package maintainer? yeah right. what packages? |
| 12:47.54 | petemc | Gnea: just stop already |
| 12:48.01 | Guerin | !fgi Gnea |
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| 12:48.31 | bomb | yo |
| 12:48.36 | bomb | not sure if this is a bug or not |
| 12:48.38 | Zugschlus | .oo( fgi? ) |
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| 12:48.46 | djp | cheers Myon, that fixed it |
| 12:48.46 | bomb | but on testing, i can't play a stream with the xmms package |
| 12:48.49 | Guerin | !fgi Zugschlus fgi |
| 12:48.50 | dpkg | Zugschlus: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=fgi |
| 12:48.53 | Guerin | :) |
| 12:48.54 | bomb | if i build xmms from source, it plays |
| 12:48.55 | Zugschlus | ah ;) |
| 12:48.55 | Gnea | hahaha |
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| 12:49.13 | Guerin | bomb: sounds like a bug to me |
| 12:49.15 | bomb | how would i find out why this is happening? |
| 12:49.16 | bomb | ok |
| 12:49.17 | Guerin | bomb: check BTS |
| 12:49.23 | bomb | alrighty |
| 12:49.26 | bomb | thanks |
| 12:49.27 | Guerin | bomb: strace, see what fails, etc. |
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| 12:49.41 | petemc | bomb: check its using the correct output plugin |
| 12:49.48 | bomb | already did that petemc |
| 12:49.52 | djp | only a couple of questions... when i installed, should i have selected mail server and print server in order to get email and printing working? also is gnome-bluetooth available anywhere for debian 3.1? |
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| 12:50.07 | bomb | it's acts as if it is going to connect, but then keeps buffering |
| 12:50.18 | bomb | when i compile from source it connects instantly |
| 12:50.19 | petemc | ah |
| 12:50.23 | fireba11 | djp: you can always set that up later, so doesn't really matter |
| 12:50.26 | Guerin | djp: a mail server is installed by default; use dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config to reconfigure it |
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| 12:50.58 | Gathond | what you choose during install only determines groups of packages that are usefull for that task, these can always be installed later, and the whole print server thing might be more than you need |
| 12:50.59 | Guerin | djp: printing you're better to ask someone else about, but apt-cache search cups; is a good start |
| 12:51.12 | Gnea | bomb: are you using the source package or from the website? |
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| 12:51.28 | bomb | i downloaded the source from the site |
| 12:51.37 | bomb | not sure what you mean about "source package" ? |
| 12:51.56 | Gnea | utilizing deb-src with apt-get source <packagename> |
| 12:52.00 | djp | Guerin: well, i selected print server on this install and it seems to have got my printer working. bascially though, i don't need to select mail server as one gets installed by default right? |
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| 12:52.13 | bomb | ah, no, i wasn't using that |
| 12:52.19 | Gnea | nod |
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| 12:53.50 | Gnea | bomb: it only buffered for certain streams or every stream? |
| 12:53.54 | Guerin | djp: yup. |
| 12:54.00 | bomb | every stream |
| 12:54.08 | Gnea | sarge/etch/sid? |
| 12:54.27 | bomb | i'm on a virgin sarge net-install, just upgraded to testing about an hour ago |
| 12:54.36 | Rev0_ | hello |
| 12:55.03 | Gnea | oh, testing |
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| 12:55.09 | Gnea | so probably something broke there |
| 12:55.19 | Gnea | it's been happening a lot the past couple weeks |
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| 12:55.37 | bomb | agreed |
| 12:55.43 | bomb | everything else seems to run okay though |
| 12:55.48 | Gnea | it happens tho |
| 12:55.55 | bomb | testing seems to run good on my hardware |
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| 12:56.10 | Rev0_ | i have been working all day on trying to get the newest ati driver 8.16.20to work on the 2.6.13 kernel, but with no luck, it just won't load the module |
| 12:56.18 | Gnea | file a bug report |
| 12:56.30 | Rev0_ | any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 12:56.31 | bomb | i plan to |
| 12:56.46 | Gnea | Rev0_: i've been trying too on a 2.6.12 x86_64 - no dice |
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| 12:57.15 | Rev0_ | same problem with the module loading? |
| 12:57.31 | Gnea | if i could get it to compile in the first place... |
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| 12:58.01 | Rev0_ | mine compiles nicely and all, it's when i run the make_install.sh file when it complains about the module |
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| 12:58.13 | Rev0_ | can't load the module with modconf or modprobe either |
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| 12:58.34 | liable | and the error is? |
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| 12:58.47 | Rev0_ | shall i paste it here, it's not long? |
| 12:58.49 | mendieta48 | hi |
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| 12:59.04 | jethro | Rev0_: /msg dpkg paster |
| 12:59.05 | mendieta48 | I have a problem with network configuration |
| 12:59.07 | Gnea | Rev0_: if it's over 1 line, use the pastebot |
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| 12:59.23 | tid-wave | hello ! how can i "downgrade" a sid installation to sarge ? |
| 12:59.29 | Guerin | tid-wave: reinstall |
| 12:59.35 | Rev0_ | failed. |
| 12:59.35 | mendieta48 | ifup can't set IP address for loopback interface |
| 12:59.35 | tid-wave | :( |
| 12:59.40 | sep | tid-wave, cant |
| 12:59.50 | tid-wave | that's ... sad |
| 12:59.53 | gotcha | tid-wave: reinstall |
| 12:59.57 | sep | !downgrade |
| 12:59.57 | dpkg | [downgrade] not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 12:59.59 | Guerin | tid-wave: sad, but true |
| 12:59.59 | tid-wave | thanks for the information |
| 13:00.00 | Rev0_ | yeah, that "failed" should be in the pasted part |
| 13:00.06 | gotcha | tid-wave: reinstall th wole system |
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| 13:00.12 | mendieta48 | iface lo inet loopback <--- my line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:00.31 | tid-wave | ok thanks for the info |
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| 13:00.57 | mendieta48 | ifup can't set IP address for loopback interface |
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| 13:01.05 | linoleum | well I got a probleme, when I try to install gnome (aptitude install gnome) , I got an error , because I can't install the gnome_desktop_environment . it says that some package are set to no be removed ... |
| 13:01.13 | Rev0_ | how does that pastebot actually work |
| 13:01.24 | jethro | !paster |
| 13:01.24 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 13:02.00 | jethro | Rev0_: paster uses channels.debian.net/paste afaict |
| 13:02.02 | versuchsanstalt | Rev0_: looks like you are supposed to visit a web page and start from there. Could be self-explaining |
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| 13:03.00 | Rev0_ | yeah wen't to the site, but there's no #debian channel in the droplist |
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| 13:03.21 | mendieta48 | can help me, please? |
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| 13:03.44 | XplOzIon | hi |
| 13:04.01 | Rev0_ | but actually it does fit on one line |
| 13:04.09 | nakeee | hey, I'm using sarge and I installed kde, now I want to install the kde-devel but it wants to upgrade the whole kde for it |
| 13:04.17 | Rev0_ | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.11.9/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 13:04.20 | nakeee | is there a way to download the version that fits what I have installed? |
| 13:04.24 | djp | does anyone know what is wrong with this, "gksu dpkg -i gnome-bluetooth_0.5.1-1_i386.deb". keeps telling me it needs an action option |
| 13:04.26 | Rev0_ | ok, maybe that is 2 lines, but still :) |
| 13:04.34 | Yoe | mendieta48: it's probably something else. Are you using a distributed kernel, or did you compile one yourself? |
| 13:04.48 | gotcha | mendieta48: $dmesg|grep <your network card> |
| 13:04.49 | Guerin | nakeee: yup. Kde is all interlocked. If you upgrade one core lib, everything else has to be upgraded too. |
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| 13:05.00 | cahoot | Rev0_: 2.6.11 - didn't you say 2.6.13? |
| 13:05.05 | Rev0_ | sorry |
| 13:05.11 | mendieta48 | Yoe, distributed kernel, I can set IP address manually with ifconfig |
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| 13:05.15 | Rev0_ | same problem with 2.6.13 |
| 13:05.18 | nakeee | Guerin, I don't want to update anything, I just want to install the devel lib |
| 13:05.24 | Rev0_ | just trying out with an older kernel |
| 13:05.24 | liable | djp: why are you using gksu for that? |
| 13:05.27 | gotcha | mendieta48: ... |
| 13:05.47 | djp | liable: i was running it from terminal. should i use root terminal instead? |
| 13:05.50 | mendieta48 | Yoe, but next boot , IP address of lo interface is not auto set by ifup |
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| 13:05.59 | liable | djp: yeah |
| 13:06.06 | Yoe | mendieta48: do you also have a line "auto lo" in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:06.09 | djp | liable: ok. thanks |
| 13:06.14 | mendieta48 | Yoe, yes of course |
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| 13:06.48 | gotcha | mendieta48: your new kernel is not well-config |
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| 13:07.08 | mendieta48 | gotcha, i not understand |
| 13:07.20 | linoleum | !dpkg evince |
| 13:07.22 | gotcha | mendieta48: $lsmod |
| 13:07.23 | Rev0_ | the dmesg output i don't understand at all |
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| 13:07.24 | liable | djp: you know you can su to root in a term? |
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| 13:07.29 | linoleum | !dpkg-evince |
| 13:07.36 | Yoe | gotcha: no, that's not it; the kernel is precompiled, so that's supposed to be correct. |
| 13:07.39 | zach_ | hello |
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| 13:07.47 | linoleum | sorry, how can I ask dpkg about a package , in this channel? |
| 13:07.49 | mendieta48 | gotcha, I can set manually the IP address |
| 13:08.05 | mendieta48 | gotcha, # ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 , work fine |
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| 13:08.13 | liable | !tell linoleum about search |
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| 13:08.23 | gotcha | mendieta48: can you do "$ping 127.0.0.1"? |
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| 13:08.45 | linoleum | liable, tkx :) |
| 13:08.49 | mendieta48 | gotcha, yes after I set the IP address |
| 13:09.04 | Yoe | mendieta48: if you try to 'ifup lo' when it is down, does your kernel say anything? (look at "dmesg") |
| 13:09.10 | phyrster | ~Branden Robinson is called Overfiend on IRC~ |
| 13:09.11 | apt | phyrster: okay |
| 13:09.13 | Rev0_ | tried pasting the dmesg output through the site |
| 13:09.17 | mendieta48 | Yoe, ok I try this now |
| 13:09.20 | phyrster | but who is Branden Robinson? |
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| 13:09.22 | versuchsanstalt | linoleum: you can also /msg dpkg, as /topic says ;-) |
| 13:09.25 | gotcha | mendieta48: can you do "$ping <your home getway ip>? |
| 13:09.27 | Yoe | phyrster: our DPL |
| 13:09.36 | phyrster | DPL? |
| 13:09.36 | Yoe | and main X maintainer |
| 13:09.40 | Yoe | Debian Project Leader |
| 13:09.47 | nakeee | is there an archive for debian with old packages? |
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| 13:09.54 | gotcha | DD = Debian Developer? |
| 13:09.54 | Yoe | snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:10.00 | nakeee | where I can find specific version |
| 13:10.00 | mendieta48 | gotcha, yes I have full conection to Internet |
| 13:10.07 | phyrster | I see. Yoe does he frequent this channel? |
| 13:10.12 | Yoe | phyrster: don't think so. |
| 13:10.12 | gotcha | DPLDD |
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| 13:10.21 | mendieta48 | gotcha, Yoe , the only problem is set auto IP address for lo interface |
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| 13:10.25 | Yoe | nakeee: that snapshot.debian.net was to you :-) |
| 13:10.42 | Yoe | mendieta48: EPARSE |
| 13:10.46 | nakeee | Yoe, yea thanks I'm not used to ppl responding so fast:) |
| 13:10.51 | phyrster | How often did Branden Robinson run for DPL? |
| 13:10.51 | Yoe | *g* |
| 13:11.02 | Yoe | phyrster: many times. you're doing the quiz, are you? |
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| 13:11.10 | gotcha | mendieta48: watch your /etc/hosts file |
| 13:11.10 | phyrster | Yoe: yes, I am |
| 13:11.12 | Stealth_L | good day |
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| 13:11.22 | Rev0_ | Gnea: you said that you've been trying to get it to even compile, what does it complain about then? |
| 13:11.22 | phyrster | Yoe: so many questions I don't know |
| 13:11.27 | mendieta48 | gotcha, now ifup work!! =) |
| 13:11.32 | mendieta48 | but the next boot time |
| 13:11.33 | mendieta48 | ? |
| 13:11.34 | Stealth_L | can anybody help me mounting an iPod on Sarge? |
| 13:11.44 | nakeee | phyrster, ask him:) |
| 13:11.56 | phyrster | nakeee: ask who? |
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| 13:12.26 | Stealth_L | nakeee: who should ask him? ;) |
| 13:12.40 | gotcha | mendieta48: Is "127.0.0.1" in your /etc/hosts file? |
| 13:13.01 | mendieta48 | gotcha, yes |
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| 13:13.33 | gotcha | mendieta48: strange thing... which is your distro? |
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| 13:13.51 | gotcha | mendieta48: (debian?) |
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| 13:13.56 | mendieta48 | gotcha, yes |
| 13:14.01 | mendieta48 | gotcha, Sarge |
| 13:14.26 | gotcha | mendieta48: I never had a problem like you :S |
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| 13:14.40 | mendieta48 | jajajajja |
| 13:14.44 | gotcha | mendieta48: you lol |
| 13:14.55 | mendieta48 | =) |
| 13:14.57 | gotcha | mendieta48: awesome |
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| 13:19.27 | Hecate | I tried dir and find, but don't seems to work. How can I search for a file in a specific directory? |
| 13:19.39 | Hecate | and subdirectories |
| 13:19.44 | Guerin | Hecate: find |
| 13:19.53 | Guerin | at its most basic |
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| 13:20.05 | Guerin | find /path/to/dir |grep filename |
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| 13:20.15 | Zugschlus | Guerin: YUCK! |
| 13:20.20 | Hecate | whats |grep ? |
| 13:20.21 | resiak | Zugschlus: 14:22 Guerin : at its most basic |
| 13:20.22 | flowtron | Hecate 1st) updatedb, or try something like "$ls -R | grep filename" |
| 13:20.23 | Zugschlus | Guerin: find /path/to/dir -name '*filename*' |
| 13:20.30 | Guerin | Zugschlus: requires exactly 0 RTFM |
| 13:20.38 | linoleum | excuse me, do you guys have problems , trying to install gnome-desktop-environment ????? |
| 13:20.43 | Zugschlus | Guerin: but exposes the user to pipes and grep |
| 13:20.47 | resiak | !tell linoleum -about ep |
| 13:20.57 | resiak | linoleum: You're using Sid? |
| 13:20.57 | Guerin | Hecate: only print lines which contain filename |
| 13:21.00 | Guerin | Zugschlus: true |
| 13:21.12 | linoleum | resiak, yes |
| 13:21.15 | Guerin | linoleum: no, you appear to be the one having problems |
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| 13:21.19 | resiak | !tell linoleum -about sid faq |
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| 13:21.27 | Guerin | linoleum: and you're using sid, so they're problems of your own devising |
| 13:21.29 | Gnea | Zugschlus: what's wrong with pipes and grep? |
| 13:21.35 | Guerin | and probably your own resolution |
| 13:21.47 | djp | ok, this should be my last question... is there a chat client installed by default under debian 3.1? |
| 13:21.52 | Zugschlus | Gnea: a concept hard to grasp for somebody who isn't used to a command line |
| 13:22.03 | resiak | linoleum: Dependencies in Sid are often fucked. Right now, Gnome is a bit fucked. You're on your own! Ha ha! |
| 13:22.04 | Gnea | Zugschlus: how else is someone going to learn the command line? |
| 13:22.06 | resiak | djp: No. |
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| 13:22.51 | Zugschlus | Gnea: today is Wednesday. Are you going to challenge that as well? |
| 13:22.52 | djp | hi there resiak |
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| 13:23.04 | resiak | djp: Moo. |
| 13:23.14 | djp | resiak: x-chat is a good choice? |
| 13:23.23 | Gnea | Zugschlus: listen, if you can't put any real substance into your answers, then stfu |
| 13:23.29 | resiak | djp: If you like x-chat, then yes. If you don't, then no. |
| 13:23.30 | djp | resiak: it is what i used under ubuntu hoary |
| 13:23.33 | Guerin | djp: depends what you mean by 'good' |
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| 13:23.38 | Guerin | djp: did you like it then? |
| 13:24.05 | djp | Guerin: yeah, it did the job. just wondered if there were any other clients that people preferred? |
| 13:24.13 | Kerr | djp: |
| 13:24.14 | resiak | !irssi-text |
| 13:24.14 | dpkg | it has been said that irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 13:24.14 | Kerr | Irssi 0.8.10-rc5 (20050514) - http://irssi.org/ |
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| 13:24.41 | Zugschlus | Gnea: you're making this channel a sooo much better experience. Kudos. |
| 13:24.52 | Gnea | Zugschlus: you are wrong. |
| 13:24.53 | djp | cheers |
| 13:24.59 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 13:25.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 13:25.01 | Kerr | djp: if you prefer your irc all gui, you might prefer xirssi |
| 13:25.09 | Kerr | probably? |
| 13:25.13 | Kerr | damn bot has no faith. |
| 13:25.19 | Zugschlus | Kerr: isn't xirssi even more unmaintained than irssi-text? |
| 13:25.30 | Guerin | < Zugschlus> Gnea: you're making this channel a sooo much better experience. Kudos. < Gnea> Zugschlus: you are wrong. <-- couldn't agree more. |
| 13:25.33 | Kerr | Zugschlus: it's not even released yet. |
| 13:25.36 | Kerr | !xirssi |
| 13:25.36 | dpkg | xirssi is probably the GTK version of the irssi irc/silc client, or see http://www.irssi.org |
| 13:25.49 | bomb | ugh, irssi in a GUI? |
| 13:25.56 | ufoalien | omg |
| 13:25.56 | bomb | that sounds horrible. |
| 13:26.00 | Guerin | no way |
| 13:26.05 | Guerin | it's defunct |
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| 13:26.27 | Rev0_ | for example in wmaker you really can't use irssi |
| 13:26.27 | Guerin | !xirssi is also defunct since the days of woody |
| 13:26.27 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 13:26.38 | Kerr | hmm? |
| 13:26.42 | Kerr | i think you're confused |
| 13:26.42 | Guerin | Rev0_: whyever not? Does it not have a terminal emulator? |
| 13:26.46 | Rev0_ | cause you can't change between the different "tabs" |
| 13:26.51 | Rev0_ | yes it does |
| 13:26.53 | Guerin | Rev0_: whyever not? |
| 13:27.04 | resiak | Guerin: Because wmaker uses Alt-# |
| 13:27.06 | Rev0_ | but in irssi you choose the tabs by pressin ALT+12345 |
| 13:27.08 | Rev0_ | yes |
| 13:27.11 | resiak | Rev0_: So you use Esc # |
| 13:27.13 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.17 | resiak | Rev0_: Or /win # |
| 13:27.17 | Guerin | or esc |
| 13:27.18 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:27.22 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
| 13:27.26 | Rev0_ | never tried that one |
| 13:27.34 | resiak | Or rebind wmaker to use Super rather than Alt. |
| 13:27.45 | Guerin | never read the irssi doc, either :) |
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| 13:28.05 | Kerr | gtk irssi = dead xirssi = shining newness? |
| 13:28.09 | DetectiveInspekt | is there away i can lockaway my private pictures? |
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| 13:28.15 | Guerin | Kerr: is xirssi not dead? |
| 13:28.19 | mcscruff | lo |
| 13:28.37 | Guerin | DetectiveInspekt: haha |
| 13:28.39 | Gnea | DetectiveInspekt: don't want the feds to find your kiddie pr0n? |
| 13:28.40 | Rev0_ | but if you use esc # then it just closes the "tab" |
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| 13:28.44 | bomb | haha |
| 13:28.46 | resiak | "private pictures" |
| 13:28.46 | Guerin | DetectiveInspekt: gpg |
| 13:28.47 | Rev0_ | not really what you want |
| 13:28.48 | Gnea | :) |
| 13:28.50 | resiak | Rev0_: No it doesn't... |
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| 13:29.11 | Guerin | !qotd103 |
| 13:29.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd103 is <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 13:29.20 | resiak | Rev0_: You know that by # i mean esc then a number, yes ? |
| 13:29.26 | ufoalien | DetectiveInspekt: ccrypt? |
| 13:29.33 | bomb | wtf |
| 13:29.37 | bomb | shemales? ew. |
| 13:29.40 | flowtron | rofl |
| 13:29.42 | Rev0_ | yes i do |
| 13:29.47 | mcscruff | i have a few problems, 1: using kde i cant delete files (could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: unknown protocol) and i have no sound |
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| 13:29.50 | Guerin | bomb: hey, don't knock it 'til you've tried it |
| 13:29.54 | bomb | pffft |
| 13:29.58 | bomb | i'd rather knock it |
| 13:30.02 | Rev0_ | just tried it |
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| 13:30.12 | Rev0_ | esc+2 closes the second tab |
| 13:30.16 | bomb | whoa Rev0_ you just tried shemales? |
| 13:30.20 | antgel | Rev0_: no it doesn't |
| 13:30.24 | DetectiveInspekt | kiddie porn? noway thats sick |
| 13:30.25 | resiak | Rev0_: No, it doesn't. |
| 13:30.30 | antgel | Rev0_: i'm in the same boat as you |
| 13:30.31 | Guerin | Rev0_: not esc+2 - esc<release>2 |
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| 13:30.33 | raclure | hi :) |
| 13:30.34 | Gnea | heh |
| 13:30.37 | Rev0_ | ahaa |
| 13:30.48 | Rev0_ | let's try that one then |
| 13:31.00 | Rev0_ | and bomb no i haven't tried shemales :P |
| 13:31.03 | resiak | But Esc+2 doesn't do that either... |
| 13:31.12 | raclure | i have a problem with loop-aes :( |
| 13:31.18 | raclure | FATAL: Error inserting loop (/lib/modules/2.6.8-11-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/block/loop.ko): Invalid module format |
| 13:31.20 | bomb | hey, what you do behind closed doors is your own business |
| 13:31.23 | bomb | i'm not going to judge |
| 13:31.29 | Rev0_ | c00l, learned something new again |
| 13:31.39 | raclure | if someone can help me :) |
| 13:32.00 | deni | hello!I'm just trying to install Debian on a Compaq Armada 100s. Finally it works well exept the screen resolution and the touchpad. The touchpad is not recognised at all, while i gave a wrong screen resolution, so it is very small. How could I fix these problems? |
| 13:32.08 | Rev0_ | but still that does not fix my problem with my ati card :P |
| 13:32.32 | ufoalien | raclure: depmde -ae? use modprobe not insmod? |
| 13:32.42 | Guerin | !insmod |
| 13:32.42 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 13:32.46 | ufoalien | modprove loop should work |
| 13:33.04 | ufoalien | modprobe of course :) |
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| 13:33.42 | raclure | ufoalien, i used modprobe |
| 13:33.49 | ufoalien | hm... |
| 13:33.54 | raclure | loop: version magic '2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 gcc-3.4' |
| 13:34.06 | raclure | this might help ... but i dunno what to do |
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| 13:35.23 | Stealth_L | how do i change acces-permissions for a mounted iPod? chown on the mountpoint doesnt work |
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| 13:35.31 | Serpentwolf | with regard to my probelm (/ being too small, /var being too large) ... would it be wise to back the contents of current /var up, then delete that partition, and create a smaller /var, and new /usr ? |
| 13:35.41 | flowtron | Stealth_L : man fstab |
| 13:36.01 | mcscruff | lo, i asked a q a moment ago about sound and deleting files |
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| 13:37.39 | flowtron | Stealth_L : more info in "$man mount" |
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| 13:38.31 | bob2 | Serpentwolf: that seems like more work |
| 13:39.00 | Serpentwolf | bob2 i dont see any non-messy alternative. |
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| 13:40.26 | Hecate | how comes I installed Apache, I can launch Apachectl but when I try httpd, it just says 'command not found' like the file is not there or something |
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| 13:40.46 | SimonRaven | it isn't |
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| 13:41.05 | Kerr | ugh, sshd lagged out |
| 13:41.11 | r3v | someone should change the topic to say X.org is now in etch too |
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| 13:41.20 | Hecate | well when I dir, the file shows... |
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| 13:42.05 | bomb | xorg in etch??? |
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| 13:42.28 | r3v | bomb: was as of last night when I checked |
| 13:42.33 | bomb | sweet |
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| 13:42.39 | bomb | i'm going to install it, right now |
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| 13:43.58 | djp | can anybody clear up one thing for me? do i need to select install print server if i want my printer to work when i install debian 3.1? |
| 13:43.58 | bomb | not finding xserver-xorg |
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| 13:44.28 | Manoj_ | bomb, it's in Sid (or ubuntu) |
| 13:44.40 | bomb | yeah, but r3v just said it's moved into testing |
| 13:44.41 | Gavrila | where can I find the debian mantainer's .vimrc? |
| 13:44.46 | r3v | bomb: yeah... it's not on this other either... |
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| 13:44.59 | bomb | i'll wait |
| 13:45.00 | makefile | hi |
| 13:45.05 | r3v | bomb: odd... one of them extra ones musta added it for some reason |
| 13:45.07 | Manoj_ | djp, err, I just install cups _after_ installing debian. What is Print Server? |
| 13:45.10 | amphi | bomb: I don't think it is in testing yet |
| 13:45.15 | bob2 | Hecate: ignore that then |
| 13:45.21 | bob2 | Hecate: sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 13:45.22 | bob2 | Hecate: sudo /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 13:45.27 | bomb | it's all good, i can wait |
| 13:45.46 | sward | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 13:45.52 | Zugschlus | xorg-x11 is going in today |
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| 13:46.02 | Zugschlus | *shrug* |
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| 13:46.42 | dob2 | hi |
| 13:46.46 | djp | Manoj_: when i installed debian, it gave me the option to install a web server, ftp server, mail server etc. i chose the print server. |
| 13:46.51 | Hecate | bob2: all right thanks |
| 13:47.08 | r3v | hmm, this is wierd, I know xorg shows up on my laptop apt-cache search. It's on etch |
| 13:47.19 | djp | Manoj_: i know when i installed debian 3.1 in the past, i did not install the print server and had no end of trouble getting my printer to work. |
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| 13:47.38 | Manoj_ | djp, I suppose that could have meant the Xprint server -- in which case, no, you do not need to install that |
| 13:47.39 | cheal | Zugschlus: shrug? |
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| 13:47.57 | Manoj_ | djp, do you have cups installed? |
| 13:48.01 | dob2 | when i dpkg-reconfigure snort it asks me how i want to start snort (boot/dialup/manual) , which file it modifies to save this option ? i don't see it on /etc/default/snort |
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| 13:48.31 | jm_ | dob2: check its init script |
| 13:48.33 | bomb | dob2: check /etc/init.d/snort |
| 13:48.43 | djp | Manoj_: appears to have been installed by default |
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| 13:48.57 | djp | Manoj_: cups that is |
| 13:49.23 | djp | Manoj_: would that have been because i chose to install the print server at install do you think? |
| 13:49.31 | Manoj_ | djp, well, after configuring cups (http://localhost:631/), i've found it to work very well |
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| 13:50.11 | Manoj_ | djp, I am sorry that I don't know what tasksel print-server corresponds to (and unfortunately, I can't go look at this point) |
| 13:50.13 | djp | Manoj_: m,y printer is working, i configured it from System Tools/Printers |
| 13:50.34 | djp | Manoj_: no probs. thanks for the advice |
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| 13:51.35 | Manoj_ | I must also confess I have no idea what lies behind System Tools/Printers. I don't use KDE or Gnoime, so I seem to have drifted too far away from mainstream usage |
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| 13:53.06 | coolball | thanks for debian it makes my life ok |
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| 13:53.11 | dob2 | ok found it, it's /etc/snort.debian.conf, so just to be sure, if i set "dialup" it puts snot on ppp0 right? |
| 13:53.25 | bomb | snot? ew. |
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| 13:53.35 | SimonRaven | no. i'm not on dialup and i have it set that way |
| 13:54.01 | SimonRaven | that's a different setting |
| 13:54.14 | dob2 | */etc/snort/snort.debian.conf |
| 13:55.41 | Manoj_ | dob2, I would suspect it would put snot in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d and /etc/ppp/up-down.d |
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| 13:56.25 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 13:56.28 | dob2 | Manoj_: yes i am reading these scripts |
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| 13:56.40 | ksz | hey:) |
| 13:57.11 | jethro | SimonRaven: hey |
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| 13:57.15 | Manoj_ | dob2, /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/snort "$@" <--- in the init script |
| 13:57.18 | on1009 | hi all |
| 13:57.21 | on1009 | would anybody know how to downgrade a debian pkg: i have libsdldebian....5 and i need ...4.1 |
| 13:57.23 | SimonRaven | hi jethro |
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| 13:58.12 | Manoj_ | on1009, downgrades are tricky, and not directly supported, so may not work smoothly |
| 13:58.28 | usn | "supported" :) |
| 13:58.39 | illsci | morning |
| 13:58.47 | tezra | cracklib is not enforcing the rules for miniun length of password or dictionary based, it just warns, how can I set it up to actually enforce and do not allow to change to such weak passwords? |
| 13:58.50 | Manoj_ | on1009, I have had to save config, purge, install older version, restore config in the past with some packages |
| 13:59.07 | `Ku | Ok I am going to do a new Debian install stable 3.1 |
| 13:59.19 | `Ku | CAn I do a custom install ? |
| 13:59.25 | jethro | !custom d-i |
| 13:59.25 | dpkg | custom d-i is probably http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 13:59.35 | bob2 | `Ku: define "custom" |
| 13:59.51 | snail | `Ku: what do you mean by custom? |
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| 14:00.01 | Manoj_ | usn, well, smooth upgrades are "supported", in the sense you can file a bug ("problem ticket") if upgrades do not work right |
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| 14:00.16 | illsci | there is so many how tos and docs on custom debian inatalls |
| 14:00.19 | illsci | its not all the same |
| 14:00.25 | illsci | and they have all these conflicting notes |
| 14:00.27 | illsci | its so gay |
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| 14:00.31 | on1009 | Manoj_, thanx |
| 14:00.40 | snail | `Ku: do you mean a custom kernel? an installer customed to your organisation? or just to select which packages you want? |
| 14:00.52 | Manoj_ | illsci, gay? happy happy joy joy? |
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| 14:01.01 | illsci | excactly |
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| 14:01.06 | bob2 | illsci: a) try to act like you're more than 12 years old, b) please file bugs if you find inconsistent documentation |
| 14:01.09 | snail | illsci: that's because we're waiting for you to write to one, true guide |
| 14:01.12 | illsci | bob2 |
| 14:01.18 | illsci | go away |
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| 14:01.21 | bob2 | no |
| 14:01.25 | illsci | yes |
| 14:01.27 | nullvoid | hi |
| 14:01.29 | `Ku | snail yes with xwindows and ked instelled |
| 14:01.35 | illsci | bob: try and act like your more than 12 years old please |
| 14:01.37 | bob2 | can we not do this sort of stupidity? it's late |
| 14:01.42 | illsci | its early |
| 14:01.49 | Manoj_ | illsci, umm, if you continue to be disruptive, you shall be made to go away |
| 14:01.50 | jethro | just /ignore each other ffs |
| 14:01.52 | bob2 | `Ku: that's easy, select them at the end of the install |
| 14:01.53 | nullvoid | how can I change system password in one line? passwd user1 pass pass ? |
| 14:01.54 | illsci | :) |
| 14:02.03 | `Ku | It did not work for me |
| 14:02.04 | illsci | \o/ |
| 14:02.12 | bob2 | nullvoid: passing passwords on the command line is a serious security issue |
| 14:02.12 | `Ku | told me no pkg to add |
| 14:02.16 | snail | `Ku: what did you rty and what went wrong? |
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| 14:02.23 | bob2 | `Ku: perhaps your sources.list is incorrect then |
| 14:02.27 | `Ku | Would not let me install |
| 14:02.32 | nullvoid | bob2: I am setting up users account with same temp password |
| 14:02.34 | snail | `Ku: was xsercer anc ked not installed? |
| 14:02.35 | `Ku | I have the dvd versions |
| 14:02.41 | `Ku | 2 dvds |
| 14:02.47 | snail | `Ku: was xserser and ked not installed? |
| 14:02.51 | illsci | http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Building+a+Custom+Linux+Kernel |
| 14:02.56 | bob2 | `Ku: so, like we suggested last time, you need to show us your sources.list |
| 14:02.56 | illsci | http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerPreseed |
| 14:02.57 | snail | `Ku: the DVD versions will be fine |
| 14:03.04 | `Ku | Ust base got installed |
| 14:03.14 | nullvoid | bob2: instead of me playing with /etc/shadow file using awk ;) |
| 14:03.14 | illsci | there is so many debian howtos to do automated installs |
| 14:03.26 | illsci | and custom installs aka your own kernel |
| 14:03.31 | illsci | and they are all different |
| 14:04.08 | Manoj_ | illsci, help would be appreciated in crafting consistent documentation |
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| 14:04.22 | illsci | well i would help if i could figure out how it worked |
| 14:04.24 | illsci | and the best way to do it |
| 14:04.28 | illsci | id document it |
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| 14:04.36 | Manoj_ | illsci, thereien lies the problem |
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| 14:04.40 | illsci | yeah i know |
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| 14:04.47 | illsci | its like you have to go through and look at the code yourself |
| 14:05.00 | illsci | inorder to figure out what its doing and this is just so time consuming |
| 14:05.03 | Manoj_ | which particular inconsistency has gotten you all steamed up? perhaps one can clear it up here |
| 14:05.08 | illsci | when other ppl have written how-tos that sucks |
| 14:05.19 | nullvoid | bob2: how? |
| 14:05.20 | illsci | well the whole debian installer stuff |
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| 14:05.31 | illsci | there are notes about how parts of it doesnt work in certain conditions |
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| 14:05.47 | illsci | heres a good example |
| 14:05.49 | Manoj_ | illsci, so do others a favour, look one thing up, and improve one little bit of the documentation. Or at least point to a concrete issue so others can also pitch in. |
| 14:05.58 | illsci | http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerPreseed |
| 14:06.01 | illsci | read the notes |
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| 14:06.08 | illsci | document it where |
| 14:06.11 | bob2 | nullvoid: dunno |
| 14:06.34 | illsci | where are the official docs.... the ones i found on debian.org reference the wiki |
| 14:06.38 | Ekaterin | I have a CGI script which has stopped working after I upgraded to sarge - the error message is "Can't locate Text/BibTeX.pm in @INC". Has Text::BibTeX disappeared from sarge, and if so, what has it been replaced with? |
| 14:06.47 | illsci | the ones on the wiki reference really poorly written scripts and other crap |
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| 14:07.20 | bob2 | illsci: so, ask specific questions of the developers and fix up the wiki page |
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| 14:07.28 | illsci | bob2 go away |
| 14:07.35 | bob2 | oh, stop being a moron |
| 14:07.42 | illsci | stop calling names and being rude |
| 14:07.51 | illsci | grow up |
| 14:07.57 | bob2 | drop it or leave |
| 14:08.00 | Manoj_ | illsci, the wiki is undergoing trasfer, so if you just email the stuff to debian-www@lists.debian.org, debian-doc@lists.debian.org, or even debian-devel@lists.debian.org with the new documentation, someone would do something about it |
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| 14:08.24 | illsci | is there an updated source for information on how to use the debian installer to do automated installs |
| 14:08.33 | illsci | particularly usiing pxe booting |
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| 14:08.47 | illsci | i have it all setup I just want to make my own kernels for the network booting part of it |
| 14:08.52 | cheal | Manoj_: did you read something about the wiki's transfer or just what the homepage says? |
| 14:08.56 | Manoj_ | now, either provide better docs, provide concrete examples of documentation that can be improved, or please just rant somewhere else. |
| 14:09.01 | illsci | and it would be nice to do be able to know how to add modules to those kernels ... |
| 14:09.11 | illsci | or the best way to do it |
| 14:09.13 | Manoj_ | cheal, there was some chatter on the mailing lists. |
| 14:09.20 | illsci | the way everyone should be doing it.. |
| 14:09.23 | cheal | Manoj_: can you remember which one? |
| 14:09.39 | Manoj_ | illsci, there are pre-packaged modules, which can be just isntalled. |
| 14:09.58 | illsci | manoj_ sometimes there isnt |
| 14:10.02 | illsci | which is the whole point of this |
| 14:10.03 | Manoj_ | illsci, other modules have to be compiled. you can install module-assistant and look at the docs. |
| 14:10.21 | illsci | yeah but how do you add those back to netboot images |
| 14:10.24 | illsci | and to the installation cds |
| 14:10.40 | illsci | i guess the automated install part is a seperate issue |
| 14:10.41 | Manoj_ | illsci, or, you can use kernel-package to comile just the modules, if you have the proper header package isntalled corresponding to the kernel-image you are running |
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| 14:11.00 | FromTO | has anyone used sendEmail before. Everything is working fine but every time I send a message I get some stuff in the first few lines saying This is a multi-part message in MIME format. To properly display this message you need a MIME-Version 1.0 compliant Email program." is there a way not to display the mesage |
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| 14:11.07 | illsci | when you just download the kernel you want do you need to be running it |
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| 14:11.16 | illsci | inorder to make kernels for netboot images |
| 14:11.18 | illsci | ? |
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| 14:11.21 | Manoj_ | illsci, or, you can compile your kernel and module yourself. each these options has a different set of documentation, and several people had had a go at creating docs for them |
| 14:11.21 | illsci | what are the requirements |
| 14:11.24 | illsci | where is this documented |
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| 14:11.54 | jesperj | trying to compile an Xlib C program (with gcc -lX11 -o foo foo.c) I get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11 |
| 14:11.55 | Manoj_ | illsci, in order to create your own installer, you have to dig deeper. Go to the #debian-boot channel and ask there. |
| 14:12.02 | illsci | i want to document this.... this should be written in a manner where its obvious where choices were made and why |
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| 14:12.10 | jesperj | I have xlibs-dev isntalled |
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| 14:12.13 | bob2 | jesperj: did you install build-essential and xlibs-dev? |
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| 14:12.27 | jesperj | bob2 will check build-essential |
| 14:12.36 | illsci | god i love debian |
| 14:12.38 | masoft | anybody know plotter.h is in which package ? or how can I find out ? :D |
| 14:12.40 | streuner | Ekaterin: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cpan.testers/93101 |
| 14:12.47 | jesperj | bob2, yes |
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| 14:13.10 | elvirolo | hi all |
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| 14:13.25 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 14:13.28 | elvirolo | what's the name of the package which provides the X.org includes again ? |
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| 14:14.12 | bob2 | elvirolo: xlibs-dev |
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| 14:14.17 | bob2 | jesperj: this is in on sarge? |
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| 14:14.22 | illsci | see look at this.... http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 14:14.25 | jesperj | bob2, yes |
| 14:14.30 | elvirolo | bob2 : thanks :) |
| 14:14.36 | illsci | the first line says a "custom version of the debian installer" |
| 14:14.40 | bob2 | jesperj: -L/usr/X11/lib/, I guess |
| 14:14.50 | illsci | isnt the debian installer the same thing.... its not a custom version of the code that install debian |
| 14:14.56 | illsci | its a custom kernel used by the debian installer |
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| 14:15.49 | Goshawk | hi |
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| 14:16.18 | Goshawk | is there a way to configure sshd to accept only one user at log-in in a multiuser system? |
| 14:16.23 | me_here | hi all, i have a problem mounting my dvd rom device |
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| 14:16.43 | bob2 | Goshawk: yes |
| 14:16.46 | me_here | acually mounting is ok, but when i want to read some file on a dvd it hangs with buffer io error |
| 14:16.48 | streuner | Goshawk: nothing in sshd_config? |
| 14:16.55 | bob2 | Goshawk: you can restrict which users can login |
| 14:17.05 | me_here | can anyone give a hint ? |
| 14:17.07 | Goshawk | bob2, Bob332 how? |
| 14:17.31 | cleit0n | hi, for install bootsplash in debian i nedd recomplid kernel or i do install in kernel-image-x |
| 14:17.36 | jesperj | bob2, then I get the same error as when I tried -l/usr/X11R6/lib (I don't have /usr/X11/lib but /usr/X11R6/lib) which is: ": undefined reference to `XOpenDisplay'" among others |
| 14:17.39 | streuner | Goshawk: man sshd_config |
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| 14:17.57 | bob2 | jesperj: guess you need to link in other libs then |
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| 14:18.26 | Goshawk | bob2, streuner thx |
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| 14:18.58 | Manoj_ | illsci, the debian installer is pretty closely tied to the kernel version that are installed, so radically changing the kernel changes the isntaller (thinbgs may mysteriously break). hence, a custom kernel version implies a custom installer |
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| 14:19.53 | debian707 | hi, debian has calculator? |
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| 14:20.24 | Ronin | of course |
| 14:20.32 | jesperj | bob2, I got it now |
| 14:20.33 | jesperj | ty |
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| 14:20.44 | debian707 | Ronin where is it_ |
| 14:21.12 | jesperj | bob2, I'm a C newbie and the program refered to X11/Xlib.h instead of X11R6/Xlib.h ty |
| 14:21.23 | cleit0n | for install bootsplash in debian i nedd recomplid kernel or i do install in kernel-image-x |
| 14:21.25 | streuner | !tell debian707 about search |
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| 14:28.58 | heidaro | Hi, I was wondering if I could easily set up a farely stable Debian system with Mysql5 and php5; As in, can these packages be installed with apt-get? |
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| 14:29.18 | poncho | Hello.! |
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| 14:30.31 | Manoj_ | heidaro, I think they are there in Sid. It all depends on whether you consider Sid (aka unstable) sufficiently stable for your needs |
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| 14:31.09 | abrotman | oh noes .. wh47 1s happs? |
| 14:31.15 | gotcha | what happens? over-flow? |
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| 14:32.07 | cheal | Manoj_: sorry for asking too soon, I found discussions on d-d |
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| 14:32.10 | `Ku | I am at Debian Installer main menu |
| 14:32.29 | gotcha | d-_-b |
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| 14:32.50 | abrotman | wow .. open discussion on debian-devel .. there's a novel idea |
| 14:32.51 | Rawplayer | good for you `Ku |
| 14:32.52 | aurax | !dpkg sataraid |
| 14:32.53 | `Ku | What now for custom install |
| 14:32.56 | aurax | !dpkg raid |
| 14:32.57 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 14:32.58 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
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| 14:33.01 | aurax | th |
| 14:36.17 | aurax | x |
| 14:36.17 | Manoj_ | cheal, no problems. _anyone_ can miss whole slews on threads on the gushing torrent that is d-d@l.d.o |
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| 14:36.18 | cheal | Manoj_: it's not that I missed it, I hadn't checked. I only scan d-d from time to time |
| 14:36.18 | ircdevil | netsplits ... |
| 14:36.19 | abrotman | stew: guess who's playing at the gardens!!! |
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| 14:36.19 | gotcha | too many people? |
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| 14:36.19 | ircdevil | little dogs? |
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| 14:36.19 | gotcha | so netspilt? |
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| 14:36.21 | abrotman | gotcha: what are you going on about? |
| 14:36.21 | Manoj_ | abrotman, most people think there are way to many flamewar^H^H^H^Hopen discussions on debian-devel. |
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| 14:36.21 | abrotman | Manoj_: so why not have another .. maybe they need debian-flamewar@lists.debian.org ... |
| 14:36.21 | gotcha | abrotman: testing my hand-made e17 :) |
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| 14:36.21 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 14:36.21 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
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| 14:36.48 | gotcha | abrotman: but e17 == 6 times of xfce |
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| 14:36.59 | abrotman | gotcha: 6 times WHAT? |
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| 14:37.15 | gotcha | abrotman: in memory footprint :( |
| 14:37.18 | heidaro | Due to netsplits I'll ask again...Hi, I was wondering if I could easily set up a farely stable Debian system with Mysql5 and php5; As in, can these packages be installed with apt-get? |
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| 14:37.52 | abrotman | gotcha: yes .. i'm sure it is |
| 14:37.59 | jimMmy | is it true that debian now has xorg in its repository ? |
| 14:38.03 | abrotman | heidaro: neither of those are remotely stable |
| 14:38.10 | abrotman | jimMmy: officially for sid |
| 14:38.21 | heidaro | abrotman: Can they be installed via apt-get? |
| 14:38.22 | abrotman | heidaro: mysql5 is .. Alpha software? |
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| 14:38.30 | jimMmy | abrotman: and is there a way to get it for sarge too ? |
| 14:38.30 | gotcha | abrotman: xfce(~=50M) e17(~=300M) |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | heidaro: php5 can be .. mysql5 .. i doubt .. |
| 14:38.34 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 14:38.34 | dpkg | methinks xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 14:38.39 | abrotman | jimMmy: unsupported |
| 14:38.44 | abrotman | !mysql5 |
| 14:38.45 | jimMmy | okay |
| 14:38.46 | heidaro | abrotman: Yes...I'm running this now under Gentoo and it's stable...it's used for teaching, I want it under another OS cause I hate compiling all the time. |
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| 14:39.01 | abrotman | mysql5 is stable? .. mysql4 isn't even stable :) |
| 14:39.19 | abrotman | treat your students better .. use a better database |
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| 14:39.26 | heidaro | it hasn't had problems in the past year and students have been pounding it ^^ |
| 14:39.34 | abrotman | treat your students better .. use a better database |
| 14:39.35 | heidaro | They are taking a mysql course. |
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| 14:39.52 | abrotman | oh .. you're reallly making a mess of thier education then .. |
| 14:40.01 | heidaro | Troll. |
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| 14:40.06 | Gnea | rofl |
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| 14:40.13 | jethro | hah |
| 14:40.21 | Gnea | the teacher who cracked |
| 14:40.22 | abrotman | hmm .. mysql5 is the development version .. |
| 14:40.22 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:40.29 | gotcha | abrotman: (bil lol) |
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| 14:40.45 | abrotman | mysql4 still is a pile of crap |
| 14:40.48 | Myon | which means it's actively maintained, i.e. good :) |
| 14:40.58 | gotcha | abrotman: (he said: this is my chance) |
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| 14:41.06 | abrotman | don't do a disservice to your students .. they're learning from you .. choose a better database .. don't screw them for life |
| 14:41.24 | jethro | abrotman: he's gone |
| 14:41.27 | abrotman | i know |
| 14:41.29 | abrotman | i'm venting :) |
| 14:41.30 | jethro | :) |
| 14:41.34 | mwelsh | does anyone in here have any suggestions on printing a very large uml diagram on multiple pages? |
| 14:41.40 | mwelsh | as in, how to do so |
| 14:41.47 | abrotman | with a printer! |
| 14:41.50 | mwelsh | thx |
| 14:42.04 | abrotman | mwelsh: the app won't spread it out? |
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| 14:42.30 | mwelsh | abrotman: im using gimp, and im not especially familiar with it |
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| 14:42.35 | abrotman | mwelsh: oh .. |
| 14:42.35 | pack | does anyone know of a web based release system for software. where you could upload new versions, but they wouldn't be "released" untill they were aproved by some list of supervisors, or is this all done by hand everywhere? |
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| 14:42.41 | Myon | mwelsh: poster |
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| 14:43.03 | mwelsh | Myon: poster is what, a print mode in gimp? |
| 14:43.05 | pjoter | hi, is it possible to tell somehow the postinst script to don't rebuild removed links in /etc/rc*.d? For example i want to run openvpn only manualy, so i've removed all /etc/rc*.d/ links using update-rc.d, but after apt-get upgrade i've them back |
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| 14:43.15 | Manoj_ | mwelsh, thre is a way using postscript |
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| 14:43.38 | Myon | mwelsh: a package |
| 14:43.42 | bob2 | pack: that sounds like every cms ever made |
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| 14:43.44 | gotcha | pack: I won't give it a try... I don't want to lost my control |
| 14:43.47 | Manoj_ | mwelsh, you can split a large ps diagram into multiple ones -- now if I can remember what the program was called |
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| 14:44.11 | bob2 | pjoter: don't remove them all |
| 14:44.13 | pack | wtf does cms mean? content managment system? |
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| 14:44.16 | mwelsh | Manoj_: it is currently in gif format |
| 14:44.18 | bob2 | pjoter: leave all the K links alone |
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| 14:44.22 | bob2 | pack: ...yes |
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| 14:44.33 | ircdevil | dmwaters: sack the sucker! |
| 14:44.36 | pack | sounds very managmenty |
| 14:44.46 | ircdevil | !kline sucker |
| 14:44.47 | bob2 | yes |
| 14:44.48 | gotcha | pack: I should not trust the software that can "punish you" |
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| 14:44.51 | bob2 | you're asking for management |
| 14:45.06 | fhffhqvb | !listkeys qotd1 |
| 14:45.06 | pjoter | bob2: what do you mean by alone? |
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| 14:45.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'qotd1' by key (15 of 57): qotd1 ;; qotd102 ;; qotd11 ;; qotd112 ;; qotd117 ;; qotd121 ;; qotd123 ;; qotd125 ;; qotd126 ;; qotd129 ;; qotd131 ;; qotd135 ;; qotd138 ;; qotd16 ;; qotd18. |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:45.12 | dpkg | hmm... qotd93 is <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
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| 14:45.24 | bob2 | pjoter: don't delete them |
| 14:45.26 | fhffhqvb | dpkg: qotd139 is <reply> -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience. |
| 14:45.27 | dpkg | ...but qotd139 is already something else... |
| 14:45.31 | fhffhqvb | mreh. |
| 14:45.36 | ircdevil | MWHAURHARHARHARH |
| 14:45.38 | abrotman | fhffhqvb: 141 i think |
| 14:45.49 | fhffhqvb | dpkg: qotd141 is <reply> -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience. |
| 14:45.50 | dpkg | ...but qotd141 is already something else... |
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| 14:45.55 | fhffhqvb | ... |
| 14:46.00 | fhffhqvb | !listkeys qotd15 |
| 14:46.02 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'qotd15' by key (1): qotd15. |
| 14:46.06 | Manoj_ | mwelsh, gif2tiff, tiff2pdf |
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| 14:46.17 | pjoter | bob2: don't delete, just change the links target to /dev/null or what? :) |
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| 14:46.23 | LoRez | you should know to talk to the bot in /msg :) |
| 14:46.40 | pack | I was more looking for software to enforce people at my work actually testing software packages before they were released. like a qa system, not a slashdot ripoff. |
| 14:46.57 | jelly | pjoter: keep at least one link. |
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| 14:47.24 | gotcha | well how to close the messsge such as "xxx has joined"? |
| 14:47.36 | bob2 | pjoter: just don't touch them at all |
| 14:47.41 | Ronin | gotcha: /help ignore |
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| 14:48.08 | gotcha | Ronin: nothing >_< |
| 14:48.11 | bob2 | pjoter: if there are no S links, it's not going to start, anyway |
| 14:48.12 | pjoter | bob2: but postinst will recreate them or not? |
| 14:48.22 | bob2 | no |
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| 14:48.24 | thingfish | gaim can ignore joins and exits, if you install the gaim-extendedprefs package. |
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| 14:48.29 | pjoter | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.31 | bob2 | it's only recreating them because you got rid of them all |
| 14:48.33 | pjoter | # Automatically added by dh_installinit |
| 14:48.36 | pjoter | if [ -x "/etc/init.d/openvpn" ]; then update-rc.d openvpn defaults 16 20 >/dev/null || exit 0 |
| 14:48.40 | pjoter | fi |
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| 14:48.52 | jelly | gotcha: right click on the channel tab if you're running xchat. |
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| 14:48.59 | gotcha | thingfish: I am on irssi :S |
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| 14:49.16 | Ronin | gotcha: then my command should help you |
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| 14:49.42 | gotcha | Ronin: don't work? |
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| 14:49.51 | Ronin | gotcha: did yo ulook in the status window? |
| 14:49.55 | jelly | pjoter: update-rc.d won't do a thing if there are some links left. |
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| 14:50.11 | pjoter | ok, now i understand |
| 14:50.16 | pjoter | thanks :) |
| 14:50.25 | gotcha | Ronin: aye... I should be to make some homeworks |
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| 14:51.12 | gotcha | Ronin: I even don't know how to control it |
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| 14:51.35 | Mjelva | case - i've installed ndiswrapper, and loaded drivers for my internal broadcom wireless card. i've got wireless-tools installed, and i can do a 'iwlist scan' in order to see my network. but i can't set the ESSID. i've tried 'iwconfig wlan0 essid #####' over and over. it just won't work. help? |
| 14:51.40 | gotcha | Ronin: :S anyway... let it go |
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| 14:52.06 | Boter | hello |
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| 14:52.20 | gotcha | Boter: hi |
| 14:52.21 | pjoter | jelly: hm, good idea :) |
| 14:52.24 | mwelsh | Manoj_: ok, i have it in a pdf, how do i print a pdf across multiple pages? |
| 14:52.25 | Boter | :) |
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| 14:52.41 | Boter | http://pastebin.com/357084 |
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| 14:52.49 | Boter | does anybody has any idea what schould be wrong here? |
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| 14:53.13 | gotcha | Boter: a bad idea is |
| 14:53.19 | Zomb | Boter: override file fucked. Use your editor and fix it. |
| 14:53.27 | Boter | which file? |
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| 14:53.30 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: Your questoin isn't very clear, but perhaps you should check out mpage. |
| 14:53.35 | Boter | and for what schould i look? |
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| 14:54.07 | Zomb | Boter: look in /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 14:54.23 | Zomb | Boter: but wait, I think it may be okay |
| 14:54.24 | SimonRaven | finally |
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| 14:54.33 | Zomb | Boter: did you remove the sasl group? |
| 14:54.34 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: psutils and pdfjam might also be of interest. |
| 14:54.37 | Zomb | Boter: is this Debian Stable? |
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| 14:54.51 | gotcha | Boter: you can check the every bit of hardrive |
| 14:55.09 | Boter | no unstable |
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| 14:55.35 | SimonRaven | i'll mention this again. did the ops and/or irc ops here ever think of using #debian-overflow as a way to harvest spam bot IPs and hostnames? |
| 14:55.54 | LoRez | SimonRaven: yes, I see you were in it, are you a spambot? |
| 14:56.11 | LoRez | guess so, must kline now. |
| 14:56.15 | gotcha | SimonRaven: it must be |
| 14:56.23 | SimonRaven | no. but it's pretty obvious after a bt of investigation which are and which aren't |
| 14:56.32 | gotcha | SimonRaven: I am in there sometimes |
| 14:56.35 | SimonRaven | s/bt/bit/ |
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| 14:57.08 | Mjelva | anyone here able to help me set up iwconfig? |
| 14:57.10 | LoRez | SimonRaven: and as soon as someone is paid to sit there and do that investigation, I'm sure it'll completely get done. until then we'll rely on them to spam us and our auto-kline stuff to take care of them. |
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| 14:57.55 | SimonRaven | fine. was just a suggestion. i won't offer any more in the future if it'S going to be taken that way |
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| 14:58.46 | Boter | so |
| 14:58.51 | Boter | any idea what schould i change? |
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| 14:59.12 | mwelsh | sgeigerbot2: do you know of a way to the exact opposite of pdfnup? i have a large pdf page and I want to break it out to multiple smaller pages |
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| 15:00.06 | Niki | mwelsh: Please, have a look at pdftk. |
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| 15:00.57 | Boter | ok i figured it out |
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| 15:02.43 | Mjelva | are any of you on wireless? |
| 15:02.44 | cbr | where is the network configuration file of debian? |
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| 15:03.26 | Gnea | !tell cbr about interfaces |
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| 15:03.26 | ircdevil | cbr: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:04.49 | velho-rj | cbr : after changes execute /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:04.50 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: yes. See pdftk's "burst" option (covered in the man page). |
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| 15:05.15 | mesSsi | hi |
| 15:05.23 | mesSsi | this channel is from USA? |
| 15:05.44 | Ronin | mesSsi: nope world wide |
| 15:05.50 | mesSsi | o thnx |
| 15:05.55 | mesSsi | u know usachannel? |
| 15:06.18 | Ronin | mesSsi: why usa specific? folks here know one or two things about debian |
| 15:06.48 | mesSsi | sure, im just taking some stats |
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| 15:07.20 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: pdftk in.pdf burst owner_pw foopass encrypt_128bit <- that's the example...but I can't get it to work. |
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| 15:08.02 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: oh wait. I was doing it wrong. |
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| 15:08.26 | mwelsh | i know there has to be an easy way to do this. |
| 15:08.40 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: pdftk foo.pdf burst <-- this splits foo.pdf into various pages |
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| 15:09.11 | mwelsh | siegerbot2: i tried that, but it didnt change anything. |
| 15:09.38 | mwelsh | siegerbot2: the pdf in question is a massive single page. i'd like to break it out to 4 pages, or 9 pages, so i can print it |
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| 15:10.44 | `Ku | Hello |
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| 15:10.53 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: You should have stated this in the first place. Your questions are pretty weak. |
| 15:10.56 | `Ku | How do I goto the pgk add menu system |
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| 15:11.18 | mwelsh | sgeigerbot2: are you saying you can bench more than me? |
| 15:11.20 | Mjelva | i'm unable to set my ESSID through iwconfig. i've checked all the guides i can find, i've read the man, i've read the wiki. nothing. i enter the command as it's supposed to (iwconfig wlan0 essid XXXXX), the network shows up on a 'iwlist scan', but still, nothing. i would really appreciate some assistance with this. |
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| 15:11.35 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: I'm saying I know how to ask smart questions. |
| 15:11.45 | sgeigerbot2 | !+smart questions |
| 15:11.45 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 15:11.50 | ircdevil | `Ku: aptitude or dselect |
| 15:11.56 | mwelsh | sgeigerbot2: no need to get elitist here. i was working with someone else earlier |
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| 15:12.48 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: smart questsions are really a matter of courtesy. Don't waste other people's time...and get the information you want. |
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| 15:13.04 | kurHcm | are there here someone that speak portuguese? |
| 15:13.05 | bonez42 | I can't boot my debian 3.1 machine..it hangs when reaching Apache..how do I boot it to get past apache so I can fix it? |
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| 15:13.11 | jethro | mwelsh: telling you about better ways sto ask your question is not being elitist. it'll help both you and the one willing to help you. |
| 15:13.15 | thingfish | !br |
| 15:13.15 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:13.25 | velho-rj | olá kurHcm |
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| 15:14.18 | kurHcm | obrigado |
| 15:14.27 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: Despite your comments, I'm going to help: You can always turn a PDF into a PS file and then split it up that way. |
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| 15:14.45 | kurHcm | ola |
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| 15:15.01 | kurHcm | ola velho-rj |
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| 15:15.07 | bonez42 | did I wander in on Portugese day ? what the hell? |
| 15:15.23 | smagy2 | hello folks is there an irc channel for debian-legal |
| 15:15.26 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: Use ps2pdf and then open the file in gimp. |
| 15:15.30 | abrotman | kurHcm: /j #debian-br |
| 15:15.37 | velho-rj | kurHcm : eh melhor conversarmos no debian-br |
| 15:15.48 | kurHcm | ok |
| 15:15.51 | kurHcm | vou la |
| 15:15.56 | `Ku | I am in the pgk install |
| 15:16.03 | `Ku | how do I add xwindows |
| 15:16.04 | Arbitron | `Ku: I'm looking forward to the pleasure of your company since I haven't had it yet. |
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| 15:16.09 | sgeigerbot2 | mwelsh: you could have gotten that answer 15 minutes ago, saving you and me a lot of time if you had just asked a good question. |
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| 15:16.54 | abrotman | `Ku: which desktop are you trying to install ? |
| 15:17.34 | `Ku | Xwindows |
| 15:17.35 | Arbitron | `Ku: I believe in respect for the dead; in fact, I could only respect you if you WERE dead. |
| 15:17.37 | `Ku | with KDE |
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| 15:17.57 | bonez42 | sgeigerbot2, I have an older woody CD....what option do I choose to rescue my system and boot into it...past apache which hangs at boot time? |
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| 15:18.17 | abrotman | `Ku: apt-get install kde x-window-system |
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| 15:19.41 | `Ku | E: Couldn't find package x-windows-system |
| 15:19.41 | Arbitron | `Ku: I'm very careful of how I express my opinions of you because I want to put as much vituperation in them as possible. |
| 15:19.48 | abrotman | is there an open zip code proximity database ? |
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| 15:20.54 | sgeigerbot2 | peterS: would you mind changing tarzeau's link at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki to http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html (instead of to pkgmgmt.php). I don't have a login on his wiki (and don't really need one) |
| 15:21.00 | `Ku | E: Couldn't find package x-windows-system |
| 15:21.00 | Arbitron | `Ku: Hey, act your age -- senile! |
| 15:21.05 | sgeigerbot2 | !+pkgmgmt |
| 15:21.05 | dpkg | hmm... pkgmgmt is Debian Package Management - Most Important Commands: http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or 'man apt-get'; 'man apt-cache', or apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref, or ask me about apt howto |
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| 15:21.33 | `Ku | how do I make it look for pkg off the dvds I have |
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| 15:22.06 | abrotman | sgeigerbot2: why don't you ask tarzeau |
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| 15:22.09 | sgeigerbot2 | abrotman: ah, yes. I found onne. |
| 15:22.13 | abrotman | where'd tarzeau go |
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| 15:22.51 | sgeigerbot2 | abrotman: he's not here. |
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| 15:22.57 | abrotman | i see that |
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| 15:23.34 | `Ku | why will it not install |
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| 15:24.01 | abrotman | `Ku: apt-cdrom or apt-setup |
| 15:24.12 | smagy2 | does anyone know why there is not debian package for xvid ? |
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| 15:24.35 | abrotman | !find xvid sarge |
| 15:24.36 | dpkg | linuxvideostudio: (MJPEG-tools GTK graphical user interface), section contrib/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.1.7-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 796 kB |
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| 15:24.43 | abrotman | !find bin/xvid sarge |
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| 15:24.59 | dusa | !find drugs sarge |
| 15:25.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xvid' (1): (/usr/X11R6/bin/xvidtune) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 15:25.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'drugs' (5 of 8): (/usr/share/openrpg/images/drugs.gif) in games/openrpg ;; (/usr/share/spamassassin/20_drugs.cf) in mail/spamassassin ;; (/usr/share/doc/dopewars/html/help/drugs.html) in games/dopewars ;; (/usr/share/games/slune/materials/drugstore1.data) in games/slune ;; (/usr/share/games/ire/data/rotj/code/misc/drugs.pe) in games/ire-rotj. |
| 15:25.16 | abrotman | smagy2: uhm .. no |
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| 15:25.36 | abrotman | !xvid |
| 15:25.37 | dpkg | it has been said that xvid is a free/speech divx codec. http://www.xvid.org Get debs (current package name: libxvidcore4) from marillat. |
| 15:25.39 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 15:25.39 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 15:25.48 | itom | ciau |
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| 15:26.08 | deni | hello! I've just instaled Debian as a workstation (with KDE and Gnome), and it works properly exept 2 problems. 1. The X-screen is smaller than the monitor. How could I change this? The sound card was not recognised, althouth it should be Sound Blaster Pro compatible. (This is a Compaq Armada 100s Laptop) How someone help me,please? |
| 15:26.18 | sgeigerbot2 | abrotman: some of the links I have for the zip code info you want are broken. |
| 15:26.25 | sgeigerbot2 | abrotman: I got my info from census.gov. |
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| 15:26.36 | abrotman | sgeigerbot2: i found some .. i 'm not sure i'l need them .. i was looking for one in pgsql format |
| 15:26.36 | smagy2 | abrotman: thank you very much |
| 15:26.42 | sgeigerbot2 | abrotman: I also have code that can query a postgres database and calculate the distance. |
| 15:26.43 | abrotman | smagy2: enjoy |
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| 15:27.03 | sgeigerbot2 | abrotman: do you want mine? |
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| 15:27.12 | abrotman | sgeigerbot2: nah .. wasn't for me .. |
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| 15:27.19 | jesperj | How can I get the source for xsetroot? Is it available as a deb? |
| 15:27.27 | abrotman | should be |
| 15:27.35 | sgeigerbot2 | abrotman: Do you still have the links of the non-postgres ones you found? |
| 15:27.39 | jesperj | want to look at the code |
| 15:27.45 | abrotman | sgeigerbot2: i found postgres ones |
| 15:27.52 | sgeigerbot2 | jesperj: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 15:27.59 | streuner | jesperj: /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:28.00 | abrotman | !source |
| 15:28.00 | dpkg | Use 'apt-setup' to add a deb-src line to your sources.list. Then 'apt-get build-dep foo' to fetch the build deps, then finally 'apt-get [-b] source foo' to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc. The source is unpacked in `pwd` and the diff.gz is applied. -b compiles it for you; if you want to compile it yourself, use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" from within the unpacked dir. Don't forget to install debhelper! |
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| 15:28.36 | jesperj | ty |
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| 15:28.49 | streuner | jesperj: or use p.d.o |
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| 15:29.00 | sgeigerbot2 | jesperj: don't forget to check out checkinstall for turning your source into debian packages. |
| 15:29.11 | Zedman | hello. I have a problem while installing debian sarge on my pentium (i386). while the partionprogram is loading it stops at 38 % and nothing is going on. Is there somebody who can help me? It would be fine... |
| 15:29.15 | jesperj | ty |
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| 15:29.29 | sgeigerbot2 | !+pdo |
| 15:29.30 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 15:29.59 | sgeigerbot2 | streuner: which pdo were you referring to? |
| 15:30.23 | streuner | sgeigerbot2: <streuner> jesperj: or use p.d.o |
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| 15:30.52 | sgeigerbot2 | streuner: I read that the first time. I still didn't know which PDO you were referring to. |
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| 15:31.03 | streuner | p.d.o is pretty clear, isn't it? :-) |
| 15:31.16 | streuner | sgeigerbot2: /msg dpkg pdo ? :-) |
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| 15:32.04 | sgeigerbot2 | streuner: Who's on first? |
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| 15:32.26 | bonez42 | I don't klnow |
| 15:33.08 | Zedman | Could it be possible that my /boot is too smal... |
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| 15:33.47 | othernoob | hi, what's the gnome equivalent to Kmix? |
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| 15:33.58 | sgeigerbot2 | othernoob: use aumix |
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| 15:34.01 | streuner | Zedman: did you verify the iso first? |
| 15:34.18 | sgeigerbot2 | othernoob: aumix has gui and console modes...and works even in kde. |
| 15:34.19 | Zedman | streuer: the iso'a are alright |
| 15:34.23 | streuner | Zedman: while loading the app? |
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| 15:34.44 | Zedman | streuer: while loading the debian-installer app |
| 15:34.50 | thingfish | othernoob: there's also gnome-volume-control |
| 15:34.59 | othernoob | sgeigerbot2: is aumix the same as alsamixer? and thanks |
| 15:35.00 | thingfish | gnome-alsamixer |
| 15:35.27 | streuner | Zedman: my nick is 'streuner' NOT 'steuer' (tax) :-) |
| 15:35.39 | othernoob | thingfish: i'm trying to help someone with ubuntu and an audigy2.. alsamixer returns an error |
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| 15:35.59 | sgeigerbot2 | zerstreunert |
| 15:36.00 | streuner | Zedman: how much RAM do you have? |
| 15:36.00 | Zedman | streuner: steuer isnt really good at all :-) |
| 15:36.02 | othernoob | thingfish: the error he receives is alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 15:36.08 | Boter | http://pastebin.com/357132 |
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| 15:36.20 | Zedman | streuner: 1 gb |
| 15:36.21 | streuner | sgeigerbot2: :-P |
| 15:36.33 | sgeigerbot2 | :-) |
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| 15:36.39 | Boter | any idea why http://193.95.206.26 cant be opened? snat shows to 192.168.0.8:80 which have apache up and schould this work... |
| 15:36.41 | Boter | any idea? |
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| 15:37.31 | streuner | Zedman: so the isos are ok and the CD your burned is verified too, did you ever use memtest86 to check your RAM? |
| 15:37.37 | bonez42 | how does one prevent apache from loading at boottime? |
| 15:37.39 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 15:38.12 | streuner | s/is/are/ |
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| 15:38.29 | LoRez | bonez42: according to the init script chmoding it -x will do |
| 15:38.41 | Zedman | streuner: no I didnt |
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| 15:40.16 | Zedman | streuner: memtest will be in grub after installation, isnt it ? |
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| 15:40.57 | streuner | Zedman: no idea, i don't think memtest86 is essential at all, not sure |
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| 15:41.52 | Zedman | streuner: do you have an other idea why debian-installer doesnt work right on my machine? |
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| 15:42.36 | streuner | http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/memtest86 |
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| 15:43.25 | `Ku | When I do aps-setup |
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| 15:43.30 | `Ku | reads both dvds |
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| 15:43.43 | `Ku | but will not let me install jack as in pkg |
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| 15:44.39 | versuchsanstalt | `Ku: does it tell you why? |
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| 15:44.55 | `Ku | no |
| 15:45.00 | `Ku | and then takes me to command line |
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| 15:45.25 | Zedman | streuner: do you know how to repair the ram if memtester mentions any problems or errors? |
| 15:45.46 | foo | I just did an nmap on my laptop and have smtp, rpcbind, auth, and unkown open .. how can I close these ports? |
| 15:45.46 | thingfish | you can't repair ram, you replace it Zedman. |
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| 15:46.03 | versuchsanstalt | `Ku: do you mean jack the cd ripper, or the jack audio connection kit? |
| 15:46.14 | sgeigerbot2 | Damn, isn't anyone educating the noobs about package management? |
| 15:46.17 | streuner | Zedman: unplug RAM, put new RAM into the mobo. |
| 15:47.15 | bonez42 | for apache, is it better to apt-get install it, or to install from source? |
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| 15:47.50 | sgeigerbot2 | bonez42: better? What does that mean? |
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| 15:48.25 | sgeigerbot2 | bonez42: apache keeps your system from booting up? |
| 15:48.32 | bonez42 | better....opposite of worse.....is there any ADVANTAGE to installing from source, over using apt-get...i.e., getting a newer version..... |
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| 15:48.46 | bonez42 | sgeigerbot2, yeah, it fails when it reaches the apache loading... |
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| 15:49.04 | `Ku | I am in pgk now |
| 15:49.12 | streuner | Zedman: use a CDRW first, and burn it again (verified both - iso, CD) |
| 15:49.12 | `Ku | what pgk do I need to install for xwindows |
| 15:49.13 | Arbitron | `Ku: It's your life -- but I wish you'd let us have it. |
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| 15:49.56 | streuner | Zedman: memtest86 needs some time, best is to run it at night |
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| 15:50.15 | versuchsanstalt | `Ku: it's difficult to understand what you are trying to accomplish and how. I don't know what you mean by pkg or pgk as you said above. |
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| 15:50.33 | `Ku | I am trying to add xwindows + KDE |
| 15:50.34 | Arbitron | `Ku: I've had many cases of love that were just infatuation, but this hate I feel for you is the real thing. |
| 15:51.07 | `Ku | * Added *!*=Arbitron@roerbak.student.utwente.nl to ignore list |
| 15:51.16 | sgeigerbot2 | bonez42: If you "install from source" (that is, compile), I recommend you use checkinstall, as that way you get one of the main benefits of packages--which is that it is easy to remove the package's files from your system. Sometimes packages are nicer because the maintainers do things for you to set up the package for Debian. My personal preference is to use packages unless I have a reason not to, and then, in that case, I use |
| 15:51.16 | sgeigerbot2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.21 | thingfish | oh man, and he's from my home town, too (KC) |
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| 15:51.40 | `Ku | versuchsanstalt I am trying to install Xwindows and KED |
| 15:51.40 | Arbitron | `Ku: I think you should live for the moment. But after that, I doubt I'll think so. |
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| 15:51.48 | thingfish | you know, 'ku/cu' means 'asshole' in two languages at least... |
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| 15:52.02 | iara | hi all!!! |
| 15:52.04 | bonez42 | `Ku, KDE |
| 15:52.15 | iara | anyone knows how can i use nmap to scan what ports are open?? |
| 15:52.30 | abrotman | man nmap ? |
| 15:52.31 | sgeigerbot2 | bonez42: If you installed apache from a package and that's the package that causes your system not to boot, do this: apt-get remove apache; apt-get install apache |
| 15:52.38 | sgeigerbot2 | bonez42: ...or whatever package it is. |
| 15:53.09 | versuchsanstalt | `Ku: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 as root. |
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| 15:53.28 | thingfish | `Ku: where in KC are you from? |
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| 15:54.12 | `Ku | Leawood |
| 15:54.16 | bonez42 | sgeigerbot2, I am inclined that way....thanks fo ryour suggestions |
| 15:54.20 | versuchsanstalt | `Ku: apt-get install kde might also work |
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| 15:54.26 | thingfish | ah, nice, not too far...I'm in raymore. |
| 15:54.34 | iara | abrotman: i write nmap <ip> but the scans start but it don't doin anymore |
| 15:54.38 | `Ku | What do you od |
| 15:54.43 | thingfish | nothing, right now. |
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| 15:54.54 | `Ku | college? |
| 15:54.56 | abrotman | iara: it takes a while |
| 15:55.01 | thingfish | no, just unemployed. |
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| 15:55.07 | `Ku | why? |
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| 15:55.17 | abrotman | hard to get hired when you're a fish thingie |
| 15:55.18 | thingfish | hehe good question. |
| 15:55.24 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 15:55.45 | `Ku | What did you use to do |
| 15:55.48 | versuchsanstalt | iara: you could see nmap fire packets if you open another root console and watch the network traffic with a sniffer like tcpdump |
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| 15:55.56 | thingfish | fix computers. |
| 15:56.02 | `Ku | AT? |
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| 15:56.11 | thingfish | yes |
| 15:56.12 | versuchsanstalt | iara: there might also be options to let nmap be more verbose |
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| 15:56.30 | abrotman | which would require reading the nmap man page |
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| 15:56.35 | enmand | Hey |
| 15:56.47 | thingfish | you need to give us money if you want to watch the tapes afterwards, abrotman. |
| 15:56.52 | versuchsanstalt | abrotman: exactly |
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| 15:57.10 | abrotman | thingfish: i do not |
| 15:57.13 | versuchsanstalt | it's always good to read the friendly manual |
| 15:57.21 | foo | Are the usc mirrors down? Hmm |
| 15:57.21 | abrotman | versuchsanstalt: which i already suggested ... |
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| 15:57.46 | versuchsanstalt | abrotman: oh, i didnt notice. |
| 15:57.55 | enmand | I've got a problem... Debian 3.1 doesn't like my DHCP server. It won't grab an IP address from it. Every other computer on the network grabs it's address fine, as do all the OSes that were on the computer that now houses Debian, except for Debian. Any idea why it isn't working and/or how to fix it? |
| 15:57.56 | versuchsanstalt | good advice |
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| 15:58.18 | bonez42 | what's the normal run level for debian, for x-windows....full networking, multiuser? 5 or 4? |
| 15:58.18 | Arbitron | bonez42: I thought of you all day today when I was at the zoo. |
| 15:58.21 | versuchsanstalt | enmand: is it a cable problem? (i am not kidding.) |
| 15:58.25 | LSorense1 | enmand: what dhcp server? |
| 15:58.27 | Gathond | bonez42: 2 |
| 15:58.32 | bonez42 | arbitron? |
| 15:58.35 | abrotman | 2 |
| 15:58.36 | Gathond | bonez42: but 2-5 is the same configuration |
| 15:58.51 | bonez42 | Gathond, can be either 2, 3, 4 or 5? |
| 15:59.06 | abrotman | bonez42: 2 is the default |
| 15:59.13 | Eclipser | what could be the problem with my debian box, I can't get my monitor to get out of power saving mode |
| 15:59.14 | enmand | versuchsanstalt, like a cat5 problem? |
| 15:59.16 | Gathond | bonez42: they are identical by default, and 2 is used |
| 15:59.26 | Eclipser | I can ssh to the box |
| 15:59.29 | foo | How can I remove a package from startup in debian? Hmm. Well, a service. |
| 15:59.32 | enmand | Well, DHCP works fine in Windows on that same computer |
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| 15:59.49 | versuchsanstalt | enmand: yeah, i reread your question and understood that, so forget it. |
| 15:59.57 | enmand | Heh |
| 16:00.01 | Gathond | enmand: you dont happen to compile your own kernels do you? l |
| 16:00.01 | Eclipser | but the monitor won't turn back on no matter what I do (well, it turns on but the power light just blinks, as if it were (and is I think) in power saving mode) |
| 16:00.21 | enmand | Gathond, well, this was a normal install of Debain |
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| 16:00.25 | abrotman | enmand: you checked logs on both endds? |
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| 16:00.42 | baz | Eclipser: is xfree running? maybe your config file is trying to do the wrong res |
| 16:00.42 | Eclipser | ideas anyone? |
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| 16:00.44 | Gathond | enmand: in that case check the dhcp clients log on the debian machine |
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| 16:01.13 | gotcha | Eclipser: my ACPI works for me... |
| 16:01.14 | theD3viL | If i will install many programs with APT will my debian works slower? How slower? |
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| 16:01.32 | Eclipser | baz, it worked fine when I went to work but it doesn't come back to me anymore :) |
| 16:01.33 | foo | What is the command to configure my sources again? |
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| 16:01.41 | Gathond | theD3viL: not in itself no |
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| 16:01.50 | versuchsanstalt | enmand: i have no idea if you are sure the interface is up with your debian install. |
| 16:01.59 | Gathond | theD3viL: more installed stuff = more disk space used |
| 16:02.00 | theD3viL | Gathond, ql.. than not like windwos =)=) |
| 16:02.03 | GIOJOTOCA | how to install gaim 1.5 in sarge stable |
| 16:02.06 | gotcha | Eclipser: I think I had a not-bad kernel :) |
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| 16:02.14 | theD3viL | Gathond, i have enought disk space |
| 16:02.33 | Eclipser | gotcha, just a plain debian kernel |
| 16:02.34 | Gathond | theD3viL: depends, if you install alot of things that always leave somehting running that will somewhat slow stuff (or can anyway= |
| 16:02.39 | thingfish | foo: apt-setup maybe? |
| 16:02.56 | gotcha | Eclipser: do it! replace it. |
| 16:03.00 | theD3viL | Gathond, i thouth a couple of programs ;) |
| 16:03.01 | foo | thingfish: Thanks! I thought it was apt-config |
| 16:03.10 | thingfish | no problem |
| 16:03.26 | Gathond | theD3viL: installing a httpd server will for example yse some resources :) while installing a game or a web browser wont unless something starts it |
| 16:03.36 | Eclipser | gah |
| 16:03.38 | theD3viL | Gathond, tnx ;) |
| 16:03.40 | Eclipser | I think I'll just reboot the box |
| 16:03.50 | Eclipser | the monitor won't come back to me any other way :< |
| 16:03.51 | thingfish | foo: you know you can type the first few letters of a command then Tab to see suggestions. |
| 16:04.04 | theD3viL | uf.. where can i install SMEG ? There isnt in apt ! |
| 16:04.04 | baz | Eclipser: try restarting X first |
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| 16:04.20 | Eclipser | baz, I did |
| 16:04.25 | foo | thingfish: Gocha |
| 16:04.26 | baz | Eclipser: ah, ok |
| 16:04.30 | gotcha | Eclipser: enable ACPI on your BIOS? |
| 16:04.35 | baz | Eclipser: yeah I think that's your only option then |
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| 16:04.50 | versuchsanstalt | Eclipser: do you happen to have a mainboard that interprets ctrl-alt-bcsp as a power managment command? |
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| 16:04.52 | Eclipser | gotcha, it is enabled :) |
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| 16:05.08 | baz | Eclipser: assuming you've tried pressing keys and moving the mouse already ;) |
| 16:05.17 | Eclipser | baz, yeah I have |
| 16:05.20 | versuchsanstalt | Eclipser: i have one i can't wake up again if i use the function, no matter what |
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| 16:05.34 | gotcha | Eclipser: Are your monitor ACPI ready? |
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| 16:05.52 | Eclipser | gotcha, yes of course, it's not some damn old monitor/computer :) |
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| 16:06.11 | gotcha | Eclipser: Are your kernel ACPI ready? |
| 16:06.22 | Eclipser | yes.... |
| 16:06.24 | foo | I am trying to setup my sources and I keep getting "Failed to access the Debian archive" .. any ideas? usc sources are the ones I had, thought I would add some more because I think usc's are down. |
| 16:06.30 | theD3viL | Gathond, where can i get SMEG Menu Editor ? |
| 16:06.43 | gotcha | Eclipser: Are your /etc ACPI ready? |
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| 16:06.49 | Gathond | theD3viL: I have no idea what that is |
| 16:07.09 | sgeigerbot2 | foo: sudo apt-setup (If you dont' have apt-setup, do this first: sudo apt-get install base-config) |
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| 16:07.26 | foo | Ohhhh.. wait, err, I think I am behind a firewall that permits me to download a gz filetype. You know, I think that's it. |
| 16:07.28 | gotcha | Eclipser: Are your MB ACPI ready(after 2001)? |
| 16:07.38 | theD3viL | Gathond, if you install game.. and dont appear in menu (gnome menu - start in windows) .. you can add programs and stuff |
| 16:07.38 | Arbitron | theD3viL: Would you like to replace my business partner who died this morning? I'll arrange it with the undertaker. |
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| 16:07.53 | Eclipser | what's MB? |
| 16:07.56 | snail | foo: that would do it |
| 16:08.05 | snail | Eclipser MegaBytes? |
| 16:08.05 | gotcha | Eclipser: Mother Board |
| 16:08.06 | Gathond | theD3viL: dont know sorry, dont use such fancy gnome/KDE things |
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| 16:08.22 | foo | snail: Yeah. Hmm, happen to know a way around this? I have a server at home I could maybe tunnel through. I doubt it, though |
| 16:08.25 | foo | hmm |
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| 16:08.34 | gotcha | Eclipser: "G"igaByte |
| 16:08.35 | sgeigerbot2 | Arbitron: I assume that's not your original joke. A good one, though. |
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| 16:08.55 | Eclipser | dmesg says ACPI is up and running and with no errors/warnings, and yes... I bought my motherboard '01 just after christmas I think |
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| 16:08.58 | snail | foo: ftp? |
| 16:09.09 | versuchsanstalt | foo: you could verify with a browser or wget if that's the issue. |
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| 16:09.27 | foo | versuchsanstalt: I can't get gz.. hmm, that's the problem. Stupid schoolo |
| 16:09.34 | Rus0 | hi all |
| 16:09.44 | Rus0 | what is @INC? |
| 16:10.06 | gotcha | Eclipser: there were a few problems in some kinds of MB |
| 16:10.18 | Eclipser | the problem might be related to the attempt to use X forwarding at work when I tried to do some stuff (killed gdm/xfree and such :) |
| 16:10.33 | Maulkin | Rus0: Your include path? |
| 16:10.38 | foo | High security alert!!! |
| 16:10.38 | foo | You are not permitted to download the file "anything.gz". |
| 16:10.38 | foo | URL = http://google.com/anything.gz |
| 16:10.42 | Maulkin | Rus0: In whet context? |
| 16:10.46 | foo | snail / versuchsanstalt ^^^ |
| 16:10.49 | foo | Heh, pretty pathetic. |
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| 16:11.10 | sgeigerbot2 | Does someone know how to use noteserv? |
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| 16:11.18 | Rus0 | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde |
| 16:11.18 | Rus0 | debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7.) |
| 16:11.24 | Rus0 | that one |
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| 16:11.34 | Maulkin | Yup, that's your include path |
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| 16:11.47 | versuchsanstalt | foo: pathetic indeed. Time to talk to the admin maybe |
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| 16:11.54 | snail | foo: that's http? have you tried https? ftp? |
| 16:12.02 | LSorensen | Rus0: looks like it says you don't have whatever provides the qt perl module installed |
| 16:12.13 | sgeigerbot2 | Does someone know how to use noteserv? I just want to leave tarzeau a message. "/msg noteserv help" seemed like a logical way to do it, as that's how nickserv works...but no dice. |
| 16:12.16 | snail | Rus0: it's the perl include path |
| 16:12.30 | foo | snail: That was http |
| 16:12.39 | snail | Rus0: look for a Qt.pm (using locate/find) and get it in there |
| 16:12.42 | sgeigerbot2 | Ah...perhaps I should be using MemoServ |
| 16:12.44 | thingfish | I've used memoserv before, but not noteserv. |
| 16:12.45 | foo | snail: https works |
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| 16:12.56 | sgeigerbot2 | ok |
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| 16:13.21 | Maulkin | Rus0: apt-get install libqt-perl |
| 16:13.21 | LSorensen | Rus0: do you have libqt-perl installed? |
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| 16:13.24 | thingfish | send <nick> <#channel> message text |
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| 16:14.03 | LSorensen | Rus0: ie: libqt-perl: usr/lib/perl5/Qt.pm |
| 16:14.06 | foo | What is 771/tcp open rtip ? |
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| 16:14.09 | archpollux | hi |
| 16:14.25 | archpollux | if /var/lib/dpkg/status is accidentally deleted, is there a way to get it back? |
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| 16:15.00 | Maulkin | archpollux: /var/backups/dpkg.status.something |
| 16:15.12 | Rus0 | is @INC a file? |
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| 16:15.27 | Maulkin | Rus0: No, it's a set of directories wher efiles are searched for. |
| 16:15.36 | LSorensen | archpollux: well it makes backup copies of it I think. |
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| 16:15.42 | Maulkin | Rus0: do "apt-get install libqt-perl" as root |
| 16:15.48 | Rus0 | ok |
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| 16:15.55 | LSorensen | archpollux: but no you can't get it back. it is the status of dpkg. |
| 16:16.04 | resiak | archpollux: If neither of those are helpful, /msg dpkg status-recovery. |
| 16:16.23 | archpollux | Maulkin, LSorensen, resiak: thanks a bunch |
| 16:16.24 | Rus0 | right, i didnt have it |
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| 16:16.29 | LSorensen | archpollux: /var/lib/dpkg/status-old might be close to your current state |
| 16:16.35 | foo | Hmm, how can I see what services start up on boot? |
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| 16:16.51 | LSorensen | foo: look in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d |
| 16:16.56 | Maulkin | foo: ls /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 16:17.56 | foo | LSorensen: oh, ok. So everything in there runs at startup? |
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| 16:18.03 | foo | Maulkin: Aren't those just the different serviceS? |
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| 16:18.20 | Rus0 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 16:18.20 | Rus0 | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 16:18.27 | Rus0 | i get this error |
| 16:18.41 | Rus0 | does this has to do with su |
| 16:18.42 | sgeigerbot | foo: also check out rcconf |
| 16:18.44 | Anthro | foo: I'm fond of sysv-rc-conf for both viewing and changing which services are started at various runlevels. |
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| 16:18.59 | foo | I see |
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| 16:19.08 | archpollux | i copied the previous status file and dpkg now says: |
| 16:19.11 | archpollux | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 5153: |
| 16:19.11 | archpollux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:19.45 | versuchsanstalt | Rus0: yes. |
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| 16:19.52 | resiak | archpollux: Fix it with a text editor! |
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| 16:20.11 | resiak | archpollux: How exactly did you accidentally delete it, anyway? :) |
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| 16:20.17 | archpollux | n/m, fixed |
| 16:20.17 | versuchsanstalt | Rus0: and maybe with xhost |
| 16:20.21 | archpollux | resiak: not me :) |
| 16:20.31 | resiak | archpollux: s/did you/does one/ |
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| 16:21.13 | versuchsanstalt | Rus0: or another elegant way to tell the xserver that the remote user is allowed to connect to the xserver and get windows drawn |
| 16:21.13 | Arbitron | versuchsanstalt: It's your life -- but I wish you'd let us have it. |
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| 16:21.48 | Thaiger | What package do I need to get to get the commands dump and restore? |
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| 16:22.16 | Anthro | Thaiger: apt-cache search dump restore |
| 16:22.23 | resiak | !find dump sarge |
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| 16:22.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'dump' (15): bluez-hcidump ;; cldump ;; dhcpdump ;; dump ;; dumpasn1 ;; dumputils ;; libdata-dumper-simple-perl ;; libdevel-symdump-perl ;; libxml-dumper-perl ;; pdumpfs ;; pgpdump ;; ssldump ;; tcpdump ;; webmin-fsdump ;; xfsdump. |
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| 16:22.33 | resiak | !find restore sarge |
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| 16:22.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'restore' (8 of 59): (/sbin/ipvsadm-restore) in net/ipvsadm ;; (/sbin/ipchains-restore) in net/ipchains ;; (/lib/lvm-200/vgcfgrestore) in admin/lvm2 ;; (/lib/lvm-10/vgcfgrestore) in admin/lvm10 ;; (/usr/bin/restorebrackets) in devel/xt-sdf2 ;; (/usr/bin/restore_tide_db) in science/xtide ;; (/sbin/restorecon) in utils/policycoreutils ;; (/usr/sbin/amrestore) in utils/amanda-common. |
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| 16:23.16 | resiak | Oh wait, this isn't helpful. :) |
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| 16:23.17 | versuchsanstalt | Thaiger: apt-cache show dump |
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| 16:23.17 | archpollux | resiak: rm :P |
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| 16:23.21 | Rus0 | so base-config will not be run thru su or what? |
| 16:23.31 | resiak | archpollux: s/How/Why/ |
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| 16:24.10 | archpollux | resiak: i didn't ask... don't really care |
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| 16:24.28 | resiak | archpollux: fair enough. |
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| 16:24.43 | archpollux | resiak: sick and tired of my job, if u can't see... :) |
| 16:24.49 | resiak | archpollux: fair enough. |
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| 16:25.03 | dogwater | is there a certain kern you have to install to get 2gb of ram out of 3.1? |
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| 16:26.14 | baz | dogwater: nope |
| 16:26.16 | dogwater | i could see there being an addressing issue with alot of ram < 3 GB, but 2gb is barely any ram for a server |
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| 16:26.41 | baz | dogwater: should Just Work |
| 16:27.13 | dogwater | well, i installed 3.1 using the 2.6 kernel on the cd and it only sees Mem: 906736 35792 870944 0 4044 13708 |
| 16:27.18 | dogwater | 906736 |
| 16:27.19 | dogwater | lol |
| 16:27.23 | dogwater | bios says 2gb |
| 16:27.28 | EdibleText | dogwater, himem support in kernel |
| 16:27.29 | thingfish | dogwater: you might need a 686 kernel. |
| 16:27.32 | EdibleText | dogwater, you need it |
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| 16:27.52 | dogwater | so I need to compile a custom kernel or i need to build a 686 kernel? |
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| 16:28.13 | thingfish | dogwater: no, there are Debian kernels ready to download. |
| 16:28.23 | dogwater | with himem enabled? |
| 16:28.29 | thingfish | just use apt-get or synaptic. |
| 16:28.41 | thingfish | yes, that will see all your ram. |
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| 16:29.03 | baz | ahhhhh sorry |
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| 16:29.10 | dogwater | which kernel? |
| 16:29.11 | baz | yeah guess you've got a 386 kernel :( |
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| 16:29.25 | baz | dogwater: aptitude search kernel-image |
| 16:29.27 | thingfish | dogwater: you have a dual core or hyperthreading P4? |
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| 16:29.57 | dogwater | its a celeron |
| 16:30.08 | Anthro | dogwater: You have a celeron as a server? |
| 16:30.13 | dogwater | dont ask |
| 16:30.20 | Anthro | Ooooookay |
| 16:30.22 | baz | lol |
| 16:30.25 | thingfish | ok then, get kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 16:30.43 | baz | no |
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| 16:30.50 | baz | kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:30.53 | meneg | does anyone know where shortcuts for printing the current screen are set up? (it tends to print accidentaly e.g. when weird symbols are being cat to an xterm) |
| 16:30.57 | baz | that way you will get upgrades |
| 16:31.07 | thingfish | ah |
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| 16:31.53 | dogwater | cool, thanks. |
| 16:32.06 | dogwater | anyone else find it kind of odd that it wouldnt do this for you? |
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| 16:32.15 | resiak | Not really. |
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| 16:32.24 | dogwater | k |
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| 16:33.14 | thingfish | yeah, not really |
| 16:33.29 | archpollux | dogwater: you might need to enable large memory support |
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| 16:34.53 | dogwater | thanks that did it |
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| 16:34.58 | meneg | does anyone know where is set up that e.g. the "print screen" key will print the current term? |
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| 16:35.46 | resiak | meneg: man xterm ? |
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| 16:36.06 | glut | greetings :) |
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| 16:36.12 | meneg | it doesn't print only xterm |
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| 16:36.23 | hcy | where do i download a netinst disc to install debian sid on a sun ultra 5 ? |
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| 16:37.14 | thingfish | hcy: you don't. You install sarge and then dist-upgrade to sid. |
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| 16:37.50 | hcy | thingfish: ok, i image that the disc i used to install sarge on my pc laptop won't be the same as the one i'd use on the sun, right? |
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| 16:38.12 | thingfish | hcy: probably not. |
| 16:38.18 | resiak | hcy: You don't use Sid. Please, please, don't use Sid. |
| 16:38.24 | resiak | !tell hcy -about sid faq |
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| 16:38.45 | hcy | i use sid on my pc and like it just fine |
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| 16:39.06 | resiak | *shrug* I tried.e |
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| 16:39.44 | Rus0 | versuchsanstalt: you where saying about xhost? |
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| 16:40.38 | hcy | does anyone know if a sun can boot from the cdrom drive, or if i need a floppy for it? |
| 16:40.51 | sgeigerbot | hcy: "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. |
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| 16:41.01 | baz | hcy: have you read the install guide? |
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| 16:41.25 | hcy | baz: no |
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| 16:41.38 | hcy | sgeigerbot: what are you talking about? |
| 16:42.05 | sgeigerbot | hcy: I think that factoid was self-contained. |
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| 16:43.27 | hcy | sgeigerbot: i believe that you meant to address that to someone else - perhaps Rus0 or versuchsanstalt |
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| 16:43.50 | baz | hcy: perhaps you should |
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| 16:44.37 | sparr_ | is there any way to prevent the multizilla extension from being "removed" when i upgrade my mozilla-browser package? |
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| 16:45.32 | ruglia | Hmm, how would I go about getting wine to recognize cswsk32.ocx? |
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| 16:46.19 | `Ku | How do I start xwindows |
| 16:46.20 | Arbitron | `Ku: You always manage to keep your neck above water. We can tell by the color of it. |
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| 16:46.43 | sparr_ | ruglia: put it in your windows/system32 folder i think |
| 16:46.43 | Arbitron | sparr_: I would say that you are barking up the wrong tree, but that is your natural voice. |
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| 16:46.55 | sparr_ | i think |
| 16:46.59 | lenin | most people use doors, not windows |
| 16:46.59 | Arbitron | lenin: We do not complain about your shortcomings, but about your long sayings. |
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| 16:47.33 | sparr_ | why the hell are bots like Arbitron allowed in nice channels? ive seen crap like that springing up in 3 or 4 channels lately |
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| 16:49.14 | abrotman | Arbitron: go away |
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| 16:49.26 | sparr_ | its a bot |
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| 16:49.43 | sparr_ | why is the sun yellow? |
| 16:49.47 | abrotman | and a bad one |
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| 16:49.55 | sparr_ | glad someone agrees |
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| 16:50.31 | lenin | what does foobar mean |
| 16:50.38 | abrotman | generic term |
| 16:50.55 | abrotman | !foobar |
| 16:50.55 | dpkg | somebody said foobar was a term very generally used name for absolutely anything, esp. programs, files, functions, and such. See foo and bar. It has a complex relation to another term called "fubar." For more info, see "mantra.". FTP Operation Over Big Address Records RFC1639 |
| 16:51.00 | sparr_ | lenin: either a play on "foo" and "bar", the common metasyntactic variables |
| 16:51.01 | lenin | is it a dirty word? |
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| 16:51.11 | sparr_ | or a misspelling of fubar |
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| 16:51.34 | abrotman | lenin: no .. |
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| 16:51.38 | abrotman | not normally |
| 16:51.41 | abrotman | !fubar |
| 16:51.41 | dpkg | hmm... fubar is Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer. the failed unibus address register in a VAX |
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| 16:53.56 | abrotman | stupid bots |
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| 16:55.10 | lenin | thanks,bye |
| 16:55.21 | sparr_ | has anyone here updated their mozilla-browser in the last day or so? if you try to install an extension, does it work? mine fails with "the file /content/xpinstall/xpinstallConfirm.xul cannot be found". help? |
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| 16:57.42 | GladeGal | I'm using apache2 with a few vhosts. One of which gets a "script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/form" error when using a cgi. Can anyone provide an example of what my site-available conf should have for the domains? |
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| 16:58.06 | LSorensen | sparr_: I thought debian's mozilla package highly recomended NOT using xpi's since they don't match with how debian packages mozilla extensions |
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| 16:59.15 | hcy | for a sun ultra 5 would i want the sparc32 or sparc64 netinst? |
| 16:59.18 | sparr_ | LSorense: i must have overlooked that recommendation. i didnt even know that debian packaged mozilla extensions |
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| 16:59.45 | nagytalop | re |
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| 16:59.50 | nagytalop | :) |
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| 16:59.55 | abrotman | hcy: ask #debiansparc |
| 16:59.58 | abrotman | err -sparc |
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| 17:01.40 | nagytalop | please help me! :) how can i add a cd-rw drive in k3b when the drive is mounted from other machine? |
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| 17:01.50 | LSorensen | sparr_: some are packages. Debian wants them to work for ALL users. mozilla's design is very windows oriented and more aligned with every user installs their own programs and extensions |
| 17:01.50 | Arbitron | LSorensen: We know you could not live without us. We'll pay for the funeral. |
| 17:02.04 | LSorensen | Arbitron: huh? |
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| 17:03.16 | abrotman | !ops Arbitron is apparently some sort of random quiq nonsense bot |
| 17:03.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Arbitron is apparently some sort of random quiq nonsense bot |
| 17:03.21 | nagytalop | or what is the name of the drive under samba? dev/... |
| 17:03.26 | abrotman | quip |
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| 17:03.29 | abrotman | i meant quip! |
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| 17:03.36 | LoRez | Arbitron: can you pass a turing test? |
| 17:03.42 | abrotman | LoRez: doesn't answer either |
| 17:03.49 | abrotman | LoRez: just randomly spurts out crap |
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| 17:04.07 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
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| 17:08.21 | Thaiger | How do I install grub from a live CD? I tried mounting my root partition chrooting to it, but when I do a grub-install /dev/hda I get /sbin/grub-install: line 477: /dev/null: permission denied over and over |
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| 17:10.07 | dogwater | does anyone know of any support for any of the amd dual core motherboards yet? |
| 17:10.12 | TiTaN_pi8 | hellow, anyone that can answer me a couple of questions about bluetooth under linux? |
| 17:10.18 | archpollux | Thaiger: mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/root |
| 17:10.25 | archpollux | sorry |
| 17:10.26 | archpollux | Thaiger: mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/root/dev |
| 17:10.37 | TiTaN_pi8 | i any bluetooth dongle supported? and how can I find out if a device is supported? |
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| 17:11.01 | TiTaN_pi8 | and do you know if there is bluetooth v2.0 (edr) support yet? |
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| 17:21.12 | *** topic/#debian is SPAMBOTS? /mode nickname +E | Sarge firefox bug: /msg dpkg sarge firefox | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | BTS: /msg dpkg bts | gcc/g++ 4.0 w/ new ABI! beware breakage! | X.org is in sid (and /msg dpkg xorg sarge) | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
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| 17:22.00 | nav5 | abrotman: I see it, it says "maxell CR2032" and 3V and a + sign |
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| 17:22.16 | abrotman | nav5: yep .. they cost about $3 i think .. DO NOT break the clip holding it in |
| 17:22.18 | resiak | DeCaoS: What you say? |
| 17:22.19 | Zomb | nav5: Lizium battery, can be bought everywhere |
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| 17:22.51 | abrotman | nav5: find a compusa/radioshack/etc .. take the battery with you .. i *believe* that should solve your problem |
| 17:23.00 | nav5 | thank you! |
| 17:23.09 | Zomb | or the next photographer shop |
| 17:23.12 | abrotman | or that |
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| 17:23.15 | Feyr-Wrk | or jeweler |
| 17:23.16 | paulswm | Or even a supermarket |
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| 17:23.19 | abrotman | though .. radio shack is usually easier to find |
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| 17:23.23 | abrotman | not all jewelers carry those |
| 17:23.29 | DeCaoS | resiak: i want down some modules that run for default? example sound |
| 17:23.31 | Feyr-Wrk | cr2032 is common enough that even the 1$ shops around here carry them |
| 17:23.32 | DeCaoS | usb |
| 17:23.38 | Zomb | DeCaoS: /etc/modules |
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| 17:23.54 | paulswm | Publix supermarkets even carry them here, or a Wal-Mart, those batteries are ubiqutous |
| 17:23.56 | Zomb | Feyr-Wrk: but that you may get one of those weak china-made parts |
| 17:24.08 | abrotman | you have pubix super markets? |
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| 17:24.14 | Feyr-Wrk | so what, you buy 5 of them for the price of 1 from a jeweler shop. just replace them more often :) |
| 17:24.16 | paulswm | Publix |
| 17:24.18 | abrotman | i thought they were .au |
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| 17:24.20 | DeCaoS | Zomb: Only there ? |
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| 17:24.25 | resiak | DeCaoS: You mean you don't want them loaded? /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 17:24.49 | nav5 | abrotman: is there any particular technique to take it out? its in a little holder, and won't budge |
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| 17:25.04 | abrotman | nav5: is it a clip over the battery or around the side? |
| 17:25.20 | DeCaoS | resiak: yes |
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| 17:25.33 | abrotman | nav5: get a small screwdriver .. and be *very* careful |
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| 17:25.50 | abrotman | nav5: if you break the metal clip thingie .. it won't do you much good to get a new battery |
| 17:25.59 | paulswm | Just old the clip back and ease it out |
| 17:26.03 | paulswm | hold |
| 17:26.06 | Rickyx | What order does /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny follow ? |
| 17:26.13 | abrotman | paulswm: some are over the top .. |
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| 17:26.20 | Rickyx | Are they reverse to the normal behavior ? |
| 17:26.27 | nav5 | abrotman: ok, I got it, clip on the side, got it, thanks again! |
| 17:26.47 | abrotman | nav5: enjoy :) |
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| 17:26.50 | Rickyx | I have SSHD: some.ip, .somedomain.com in my /etc/hosts.allow file |
| 17:27.00 | Rickyx | and SSHD: ALL in my /etc/hosts.deny file. |
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| 17:27.07 | nav5 | will do :) |
| 17:27.22 | Rickyx | And I'm not able to log to that machine from the some.ip machine. |
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| 17:27.43 | paulswm | Rickyx: 'man hosts.allow' will explain to you the order |
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| 17:28.10 | Rickyx | The order says hosts.allow entries first. But it is not following that. |
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| 17:29.12 | caronte | what's the latest debian release...? |
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| 17:29.16 | abrotman | sarge |
| 17:29.35 | abrotman | Rickyx: i think you have to restart inetd after the changes |
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| 17:29.58 | Rickyx | Hmm! But ssh doesn't depend on inetd ? |
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| 17:30.21 | ricky_clarkson | Rickyx: Shame you bring upon the name Ricky. |
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| 17:30.42 | caronte | abrotman, is it stable....? |
| 17:30.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:30.47 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 17:30.49 | ricky_clarkson | "In Soviet Russia, shame brings you" |
| 17:30.53 | abrotman | dpkg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 17:31.06 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak where is teh dpkg |
| 17:31.07 | EmleyMoor | sarge is the latest stable release |
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| 17:31.26 | Rickyx | ricky_clarkson: Yes, I know that. |
| 17:31.34 | EmleyMoor | etch will be the next - it's currently testing |
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| 17:31.38 | `Ku | Whats the command to confix xwindows |
| 17:31.42 | ke6isf | abrotman: apt is alive, but out of date - at least, as far as netinst goes. |
| 17:31.47 | abrotman | i'm sure |
| 17:31.48 | `Ku | my gpu does not like the screen rez |
| 17:31.50 | resiak | !drxx ke6isf \ |
| 17:31.52 | resiak | ke6isf: sorry. |
| 17:31.53 | abrotman | apt is always out of date :) |
| 17:31.56 | resiak | DPKG!!!!!! |
| 17:32.03 | resiak | ~drxx `Ku |
| 17:32.07 | ke6isf | `Ku: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 17:32.08 | resiak | apt!!!!!! |
| 17:32.18 | resiak | `Ku: Get rid of the `. It's really irritating. |
| 17:32.35 | ke6isf | resiak: No biggie. |
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| 17:32.47 | ludri | how/where can i add some switches to pureftpd startup script (running as standalone)? |
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| 17:33.06 | abrotman | ludri: in the init script |
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| 17:33.41 | abrotman | ludri: usually a $OPTS or something near the top |
| 17:33.59 | Gnea | ludri: or /etc/default/pureftpd |
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| 17:34.53 | LightningStorm | hello, how can I get a list of installed packages? |
| 17:34.58 | Md | LightningStorm: dpkg -l |
| 17:35.01 | LightningStorm | thanks |
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| 17:35.54 | EmleyMoor | Md: Here's a good question on the same - is there a way to get a list of the packages which must be installed to get the exact same again (as some will be dependencies of course)? |
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| 17:36.15 | Md | EmleyMoor: dpkg --help |
| 17:36.17 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 17:36.23 | caronte | abrotman, how come on debian.org on every mirror it gives me a list of 13 different files all of about 650mb....? |
| 17:36.23 | abrotman | bah .. silly dpkg |
| 17:36.35 | abrotman | caronte: what are you looking for? |
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| 17:36.53 | caronte | abrotman, the live cd's |
| 17:37.11 | abrotman | there is no liveCD for debian.. there is a netinst |
| 17:37.19 | abrotman | or the full CDs(or DVDs) |
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| 17:37.35 | caronte | abrotman, how many cds...? |
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| 17:37.42 | abrotman | caronte: 13 or 14 .. |
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| 17:37.54 | caronte | abrotman, WHAT...!!! |
| 17:38.04 | abrotman | caronte: are you trying to install debian? |
| 17:38.10 | caronte | abrotman, yes |
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| 17:38.54 | abrotman | caronte: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en-gb.html#netinst-stable .. you probably want i386 unless your machine is amd64 or alpha or some other different architecture |
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| 17:39.06 | abrotman | caronte: and you do have broadband right ? |
| 17:39.18 | caronte | abrotman, yes to both... |
| 17:39.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:39.31 | abrotman | enjoy :) |
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| 17:39.42 | italy | I love dialup |
| 17:39.44 | caronte | abrotman, is it a command line installation.... (like gentoo)....? |
| 17:39.57 | abrotman | caronte: yes ... |
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| 17:40.24 | caronte | abrotman, no way....can't be bothered... |
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| 17:40.36 | stew | caronte: no it is not a command line installation |
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| 17:40.38 | abrotman | caronte: it's not that hard .. it's like the ubuntu installer |
| 17:40.47 | abrotman | stew: it's ncurses ... it's not a pretty GUI |
| 17:40.56 | abrotman | (unless you think ncurses is pretty) |
| 17:40.58 | Feyr-Wrk | it's pretty enough |
| 17:41.06 | stew | abrotman: its not cli though |
| 17:41.13 | abrotman | stew: no .. but it's not Gtk/Qt |
| 17:41.14 | EmleyMoor | Who cares about pretty as long as it works? |
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| 17:41.41 | caronte | guys u r confusing me... |
| 17:41.46 | ngmlinux | anyone know how to make .deb packages? |
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| 17:41.58 | ngmlinux | I found some very incomplete instructions onlie |
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| 17:42.24 | abrotman | ngmlinux: debian.org/devel/ .. quite a few docs |
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| 17:42.41 | caronte | abrotman, so....? |
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| 17:43.32 | abrotman | caronte: the installer is quite easy to use .. if you would like to try debian .. it's easy enough |
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| 17:44.22 | ngmlinux | abrotman, that site is very difficult to navigate |
| 17:44.33 | abrotman | it is ? |
| 17:44.34 | caronte | abrotman, http://faq.tweakers.net/nos/DesktopLinux/Reviews/odysseus/Debian/snapshot10.png is it like this...? |
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| 17:44.41 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/index.en-gb.html#packaging |
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| 17:44.46 | ngmlinux | i'm looking for one document that actually explains things throughly |
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| 17:44.53 | abrotman | caronte: that is the woody installer |
| 17:44.56 | ngmlinux | not one that says "then write the postinst script" |
| 17:45.06 | ngmlinux | without explaining how to write it or what it should include |
| 17:45.08 | abrotman | ngmlinux: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 17:47.04 | ngmlinux | abrotman, where does it explain how to make a package from scratch |
| 17:47.12 | ngmlinux | not rebuild one, make one from scratch |
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| 17:47.24 | abrotman | ngmlinux: that's what that document is |
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| 17:47.35 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 17:48.19 | caronte | abrotman, and there's no woody installer for the latest release....? |
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| 17:48.40 | ngmlinux | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 17:48.52 | abrotman | caronte: there's a sarge installer |
| 17:48.59 | abrotman | caronte: i already gave you the link |
| 17:49.10 | ngmlinux | okay |
| 17:49.17 | ngmlinux | i'm trying to figure it out |
| 17:49.25 | caronte | abrotman, it's as easy as woody...' |
| 17:49.29 | ngmlinux | it should be called "how to make deb packages" |
| 17:49.36 | ngmlinux | not "new maintainer's guide" |
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| 17:49.39 | abrotman | caronte: easier .. much easier |
| 17:49.52 | ngmlinux | linux documenation is always poorly labeled |
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| 17:50.03 | abrotman | ngmlinux: file a bug on the website |
| 17:50.25 | ngmlinux | that's like buying a book called ethnic cuisine to build a house |
| 17:50.47 | abrotman | ngmlinux: you're complaining to the wrong person .. i have no control over that |
| 17:50.51 | GladeGal | how do I reconfigure exim4? |
| 17:51.05 | Zugschlus | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 17:51.23 | GladeGal | tkx :) |
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| 17:54.40 | cheal | dpkg! we want you back! |
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| 17:55.08 | abrotman | cheal: ask and ye shall recieve |
| 17:55.10 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 17:55.11 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 17:55.19 | cheal | oh!!! |
| 17:55.28 | cheal | !beer abrotman |
| 17:55.53 | cheal | dpkg: is that a new brand? |
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| 17:56.12 | abrotman | cheal: it's been altered |
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| 17:56.31 | abrotman | and whoever did it .. can't spell anything |
| 17:56.54 | abrotman | they botched both words in that beer :) |
| 17:56.55 | cheal | what, is that supposed to be english? |
| 17:57.03 | cheal | is it supposed to read bud? |
| 17:57.25 | Lorvija | Hey, I've been uploading a lot pictures to my server which uses vsftpd.. now suddenly it just said "oops child died err 500" and cant connect to it anymore.. any ideas? |
| 17:57.35 | abrotman | cheal: afaict .. even in german it would be wrong |
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| 17:58.30 | abrotman | Lorvija: every time you use ftp .. a child dies ... |
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| 17:58.37 | dabaR | Lorvija: the funeral will be sad. |
| 17:58.38 | cheal | haha |
| 17:58.44 | Lorvija | dabaR aye :P |
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| 17:59.01 | Lorvija | abrotman hmm but this is only time it reported it as error..... |
| 17:59.01 | abrotman | Lorvija: restart vsftpd |
| 17:59.13 | cheal | greycat would be happy to read that |
| 17:59.25 | cheal | please never let him maintain FTP packages |
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| 17:59.48 | Lorvija | abrotman doest help... now when i connect it hangs and last message is "ok here comes the directory listing" |
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| 18:00.03 | abrotman | Lorvija: is it remote ? |
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| 18:00.12 | Lorvija | abrotman what? (: |
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| 18:00.26 | abrotman | is it a remote server .. you know .. 100's of kilometers from you? |
| 18:00.27 | ngmlinux | ok this is deffinately the document i was looking for finally |
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| 18:00.28 | ngmlinux | thanks |
| 18:00.28 | kisielk | ok |
| 18:00.33 | ngmlinux | it's just poorly labels |
| 18:00.33 | abrotman | ngmlinux: i said that :) |
| 18:00.35 | ngmlinux | labeled |
| 18:00.38 | kisielk | what the heck is "exit status 139" |
| 18:00.39 | Lorvija | abrotman nope, next to my leg =) |
| 18:00.43 | kisielk | I'm getting it during libc6 post installation |
| 18:00.44 | ngmlinux | sorry about the complaints |
| 18:00.51 | abrotman | Lorvija: restart networking ... /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:01.01 | kisielk | dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure): |
| 18:01.01 | kisielk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.06 | Lorvija | abrotman weird (: seems it was a bug in my ftp client.. restarted it and now it works.. (: |
| 18:01.12 | abrotman | Lorvija: oh .. cute :) |
| 18:01.14 | streuner | dpkg, cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Franzikanner Heffeweizen/Franziskaner Hefeweizen/ |
| 18:01.14 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, streuner |
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| 18:01.23 | abrotman | streuner: have to ask dondelelcaro |
| 18:01.28 | Lorvija | abrotman thanks anyways, i'll write that networking thing down for future thanks for help =) |
| 18:01.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro can't spell anything :) |
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| 18:03.20 | Lorvija | abrotman hah :D it wasnt bug in ftp client nor server.. the directory is just huge (: everything hangs when i try to list it.. even "ls -al" through ssh freezes my putty.. |
| 18:03.36 | abrotman | Lorvija: ouch .. sort your porn! |
| 18:03.55 | Lorvija | abrotman nah, it's my photography gallery dir :P |
| 18:04.01 | cheal | hey kisielk |
| 18:04.03 | Lorvija | lol.. any ideas how to fix that prob? :D |
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| 18:04.21 | Gathond | Lorvija: organize it into more than one directory |
| 18:04.34 | Lorvija | Gathond cant, it's used by script |
| 18:04.45 | Lorvija | Gathond so those pics have to be in one dir |
| 18:04.53 | abrotman | symlinks ?> |
| 18:05.03 | abrotman | though i doubt that would fix the problem |
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| 18:05.11 | Gathond | Lorvija: that in itself seems a rather silly design, but in that case you probably cant |
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| 18:05.32 | abrotman | Lorvija: if your script requires them to be in one dir .. you can't move them .. |
| 18:05.32 | Lorvija | Gathond yea it's silly, but i thought linux could handle dirs with ~2000 files |
| 18:05.36 | Gathond | some filesystems might be more or less suited to having several hundred thousands of files in one dir |
| 18:05.45 | Gathond | Lorvija: 2000 is not a problem |
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| 18:05.53 | Lorvija | seems to be (: im using ext3 |
| 18:05.57 | abrotman | Lorvija: it can .. doesn't mean it doesn't take a bit to ls on it.. how slow is your server ? |
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| 18:06.22 | Lorvija | abrotman well i could list it with 400mhz pII 10x faster |
| 18:06.23 | abrotman | ext3 isn't the problem .. i've had 1000's of files in a dir with ext3 and it was fine |
| 18:06.25 | ngmlinux | why won't debian let me install eclipse? |
| 18:06.29 | Lorvija | which was my old server (: |
| 18:06.29 | resiak | Lorvija: Fix the script? Make ls not sort the directory? |
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| 18:06.33 | ngmlinux | it's shaded out |
| 18:06.38 | abrotman | Lorvija: and this one is ? |
| 18:06.39 | Gathond | Lorvija: it will of cause be slower to list it the more files it contains |
| 18:06.41 | Lorvija | resiak no the script doesnt use ls.. i just used it ): |
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| 18:06.49 | Lorvija | abrotman 2800+ sempron |
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| 18:07.02 | ngmlinux | I have all the repositories activated |
| 18:07.03 | abrotman | Lorvija: that's a pretty crummy script :) |
| 18:07.05 | Lorvija | Gathond i had excatly same amount of files in the old server too |
| 18:07.09 | ngmlinux | but it still won't let me install eclipse |
| 18:07.09 | Gathond | Lorvija: for comparison my 1 Ghz C3 can ll|wc -l a directory with 164k files in less than 30 seconds |
| 18:07.14 | abrotman | !info eclipse sid |
| 18:07.24 | Lorvija | Gathond aye.. so something must be broken in my server? |
| 18:07.27 | Gathond | Lorvija: so 2000 really really should not be an issue at all |
| 18:07.28 | ngmlinux | okay hold on... |
| 18:07.34 | abrotman | Lorvija: or it's computing the file sizes ? |
| 18:07.36 | Lorvija | Gathond well that's what i thought too |
| 18:07.49 | Lorvija | abrotman hmm could be but i doubt it.. |
| 18:07.54 | abrotman | !find eclipse |
| 18:07.55 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'eclipse' (9): eclipse-javac ;; eclipse-jdt ;; eclipse-nls-sdk ;; eclipse-pde ;; eclipse-platform ;; eclipse-sdk ;; eclipse-source ;; eclipse-webdav-ftp ;; libeclipse-jni. |
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| 18:08.07 | Lorvija | I'm using software raid.. could that be the problem? |
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| 18:08.26 | Gathond | Lorvija: when you said huge directory I thought it was in the above 0.5 million files region :) |
| 18:08.27 | abrotman | could be |
| 18:08.39 | Feyr-Wrk | ext3 can do about 32k files before crapping out :) well maybe not on a p150 |
| 18:08.42 | Gathond | Lorvija: it might, that would probably be rather bad at making alot of small accesses |
| 18:08.42 | Lorvija | Gathond well ye (: i knew it's relatively small.. |
| 18:09.00 | Gathond | Feyr-Wrk: ehhh, my ext3 has those 164 and is happy |
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| 18:09.04 | Lorvija | let's see what samba says.. if it crashes :P |
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| 18:09.25 | Lorvija | has crashed 2 putty windows already.. (: |
| 18:09.38 | Feyr-Wrk | i don't call a 30 seconds access time "happy" :) |
| 18:09.42 | Gathond | Feyr-Wrk: so I doubt 32k makes it fail |
| 18:09.43 | Lorvija | top - 21:11:16 up 6 days, 33 min, 3 users, load average: 8.75, 7.01, 4.02 |
| 18:09.49 | Lorvija | hmm that might be somekind of a problem (: |
| 18:09.55 | Feyr-Wrk | not fail, but it goes exponentially slower |
| 18:10.01 | nite613 | Is there an ls switch that shows file permission modes in octal? I can't seem to find it :P |
| 18:10.05 | cheal | jvw: thanks a lot for http://wiki.debian.org/MigrationStatus update. it's good to be able to update wiki.d.n pages again. |
| 18:10.07 | nite613 | or some other way of doing such? |
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| 18:10.24 | Gathond | Feyr-Wrk: well that was an estimate of the worst possible :) and even just throwing that ammount of data from ll through the pipe an through wc has probably added overhead |
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| 18:10.27 | abrotman | nite613: i asked that the other day .. i don't hitnk i found one |
| 18:10.27 | ngmlinux_ | bash: !info eclipse sid: event not found |
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| 18:10.36 | Gathond | how much was the actual filesystem is hard to say |
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| 18:10.43 | ngmlinux_ | i can't even install it |
| 18:10.46 | abrotman | ngmlinux: try eclipse-platform |
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| 18:10.54 | nite613 | abrotman: You're kidding. There must be a simple way to get that! |
| 18:10.58 | resiak | ngmlinux_: apt-cache search --names-only eclipse |
| 18:10.58 | jvw | cheal: np |
| 18:10.59 | Feyr-Wrk | still, anything over 2 seconds is bad i'd say :) |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | nite613: i haven't seen it |
| 18:11.05 | ngmlinux_ | bash: eclipse-platform: command not found |
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| 18:11.12 | nite613 | though admittedly in my many long years of unix I've never learned it |
| 18:11.18 | resiak | ngmlinux_: man apt-get; apt-get install foo |
| 18:11.19 | abrotman | ngmlinux: apt-get install eclipse-platform |
| 18:11.24 | Feyr-Wrk | i had one customer with something like 50k images in a dir. they were complaining the server was "slow to display the pages" |
| 18:11.32 | Gathond | Feyr-Wrk: Well I would not :) depending upon the content :) |
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| 18:11.54 | ngmlinux_ | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 18:11.54 | ngmlinux_ | E: Unable to lock the list directory |
| 18:11.57 | ngmlinux_ | oh as root? |
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| 18:12.01 | abrotman | yes .. as root |
| 18:12.15 | Gathond | Feyr-Wrk: time says 21 seconds, 3 of which were used by the system itself and 12 by userspace, so im guessing the actual filesystem uses 3 seconds or there about |
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| 18:12.36 | ngmlinux_ | it won't take my root pw |
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| 18:12.43 | ngmlinux_ | and I'm 100% sure it's correct |
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| 18:13.04 | Gathond | ngmlinux_: obviosly the machine does not agree, so it cant be correct :) |
| 18:13.06 | dabaR | what did yoyu type in, what command? |
| 18:13.11 | ngmlinux_ | su root |
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| 18:13.14 | ngmlinux_ | then my pw |
| 18:13.17 | Feyr-Wrk | that's not too bad, got any special flags on that mount? :) |
| 18:13.27 | dabaR | ngmlinux_: your root password, right? |
| 18:13.27 | ngmlinux_ | how can i reset my root pw? |
| 18:13.31 | ngmlinux_ | yes! |
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| 18:13.38 | ngmlinux_ | i've never had this problem before |
| 18:13.42 | ngmlinux_ | yes i'm using ubuntu |
| 18:13.45 | resiak | Hahaha! |
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| 18:13.48 | SimonRaven | #ubuntu |
| 18:13.48 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 18:13.48 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
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| 18:13.52 | resiak | !win me |
| 18:13.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 18:14.03 | Feyr-Wrk | lucky you resiak |
| 18:14.03 | abrotman | bah .. time waster!!!!!!!! |
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| 18:14.05 | SimonRaven | @lost resiak |
| 18:14.09 | dabaR | ngmlinux_: ubuntu uses sudo. and, sudo aptitude install package will install whatever you want. |
| 18:14.11 | SimonRaven | @lose resiak |
| 18:14.11 | ravenbird | resiak: You Lose. |
| 18:14.18 | resiak | SimonRaven: :( |
| 18:14.21 | SimonRaven | ;p |
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| 18:15.07 | dabaR | ngmlinux_: #ubuntu as well knows, and wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo will tell you about this. |
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| 18:17.40 | gmunoz | hola |
| 18:18.58 | Lorvija | hmm someone wanna explain this: when i try to list/view a directory it freezes everything, if i try to open the dir through putty it freezes it.. if i click the properties of the dir through putty it shows its empty.. now when i go to my picture gallery which gets the pics from that same dir it does show the pics.. whats wrong? |
| 18:19.08 | Lorvija | also my loads just keep going UP |
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| 18:19.18 | cyzie | hi guys, anybody know how to enable dma in debian/etch ? |
| 18:19.23 | MegaByte | Does anyone know why I can't I get enemy-territory to play under full screen? |
| 18:19.27 | dabaR | Lorvija: what are the permissions on the foler? |
| 18:19.38 | cbr | MegaByte: it does that by default |
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| 18:19.53 | groton | has sarge been released as stable? im going to download some CD to install debian, but the cd is claimed to be "latest stable 3.1_r0": is this the latest "testing" i.e. Sarge? |
| 18:19.57 | streuner | cyzie: if you using an official kernel it should work (TM) |
| 18:19.58 | cbr | but isnt there some option in Options? |
| 18:19.59 | MegaByte | cbr, But in system options (under et) full screen is set to "yes" |
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| 18:20.05 | Lorvija | dabaR drwxrwxrwx 2 nrj nrj 69632 2005-09-07 20:54 pictures |
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| 18:20.13 | dabaR | groton: yes, sarge is stable atm. |
| 18:20.16 | Gathond | groton: that is the latest stable, sarge |
| 18:20.23 | Gathond | groton: testing is currently etch |
| 18:20.28 | cyzie | streuner, okay..but first how do i verify that it is dma on ? |
| 18:20.46 | streuner | cyzie: man hdparm |
| 18:21.02 | MegaByte | cbr, hint? |
| 18:21.16 | dabaR | Lorvija: tried moving all files to another folder? |
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| 18:21.19 | cbr | MegaByte: i have no idea, works for me |
| 18:21.19 | groton | Gathond: so, i want etch! :) is there any cd to download fo etch? |
| 18:21.20 | cheal | !folder |
| 18:21.21 | dpkg | folder is, like, a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
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| 18:21.23 | juiop | hello how i can copy one directory completely, i test with cp -r or cp -R but it not copy all subdirectories |
| 18:21.28 | cbr | try to remove the config in .etwolf maybe MegaByte |
| 18:21.29 | Lorvija | dabaR hmm not yet.. but i'll try... propably just freezes.. wait a sec |
| 18:21.32 | cheal | yay! |
| 18:21.55 | Gathond | groton: install sarge and upgrade from there |
| 18:22.04 | dabaR | cheal: ya, good work. |
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| 18:22.10 | Gathond | groton: but note its not supported |
| 18:22.12 | MegaByte | cbr, I've already done that... |
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| 18:22.39 | Lorvija | dabaR well i tried to copy because i need those files there.. but it froze.. |
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| 18:23.25 | dabaR | Lorvija: what are the permissions on the files themselves, you cant know, chmod them to be 755, and chown and chgrp them to be yours. THat is the only thinng I can think of. |
| 18:23.35 | groton | btw, i have another problem. till now i used Debian by an oldie computer, connected to inet by another computer running winxp. now i want to remove xp and run Debian also there: the problem is that i do not how to make the USB ADSL modem let's work on linux. any howto? |
| 18:23.40 | dabaR | juiop: that should be it, in fact. |
| 18:23.48 | Lorvija | dabaR well it worked before i tried to upload 200 more files (: |
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| 18:23.50 | dabaR | juiop: have you read man cp? |
| 18:24.15 | cbr | MegaByte: how do you start it? |
| 18:24.24 | MegaByte | cbr, et |
| 18:24.28 | kisielk | ok |
| 18:24.30 | kisielk | I have a dilema |
| 18:24.39 | MegaByte | either at console or clicking at the icon I created on xfce |
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| 18:24.42 | kisielk | someone messed up this system... and now I'm trying to get things in order |
| 18:24.43 | Lorvija | load average: 17.71, 15.54, 10.62 hmm nice (: |
| 18:24.49 | kisielk | but libc6 post-inst script is failing |
| 18:24.55 | kisielk | any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 18:24.57 | StuckMojo | what's the command/package you need to make debs from plain source tarballs? |
| 18:25.05 | StuckMojo | s/the/the name of/ |
| 18:25.07 | kisielk | it's giving an "exit status 139" on the post-installation |
| 18:25.21 | [1]Alex | can i use debian to run a server on my pc? |
| 18:25.21 | cbr | MegaByte: try /r_fullscreen 1 in ET console |
| 18:25.30 | tryingtohelp | kisielk: if anything else fails, change the script in /var/lib/dpkg/libc*.postinst |
| 18:25.36 | [1]Alex | can i use debian to run a server on my pc? |
| 18:25.38 | StuckMojo | [1]Alex yes |
| 18:25.42 | kisielk | tryingtohelp: what do you mean change it ? |
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| 18:25.54 | rleigh | Lorvija: Check the output of "ps ax". It's likely a number of processes are in a "D" state (uninterruptible sleep). This is likely an indication of a problem with the block device your files are on. |
| 18:26.05 | tryingtohelp | kisielk: remove the code generating error. Though better remove the reason why it generated them. |
| 18:26.15 | kisielk | tryingtohelp: well I don't know which code generated it |
| 18:26.18 | kisielk | tryingtohelp: since it doesn't specify |
| 18:26.34 | kisielk | tryingtohelp: nor does it say what the error is, or why it occured |
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| 18:26.52 | Lorvija | rleigh ye... well the ones are with what i've tried to list that directory.. like samba, vsftpd and sshd |
| 18:27.08 | kisielk | tryingtohelp: all I know is it happens in the --configure step, which is like 300 lines... |
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| 18:27.47 | juiop | dabaR, ok man cp thanks |
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| 18:28.43 | StuckMojo | is dh-make the only one? |
| 18:28.46 | kisielk | tryingtohelp: so I want to know how to find out what's failing, and how to fix it |
| 18:28.49 | StuckMojo | i thought it had a different name |
| 18:28.51 | Lorvija | rleigh i got that in kern.log http://pastebin.com/357265 anything bad? (: |
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| 18:30.06 | rleigh | Lorvija: If it's network-attached (e.g. over NFS) you may have network problems (e.g. lockd or statd not accessible). If it's a locally-attached storage device, you may have a hardware problem. If it's a local machine, I'd suggest shutting down and doing a manual fsck. What filesystem type are you using, and what type of device is it? |
| 18:30.22 | tryingtohelp | kisielk: the most ugly method is to remove all the lines, getting it installed and later reinstall it, but this should only be the last step when everything else fails. |
| 18:30.30 | Lorvija | rleigh its local system, software raid and ext3.. |
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| 18:30.42 | Lorvija | and ide device |
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| 18:30.52 | zaikxtox | hello. i have a problem running a autogen.sh script: |
| 18:30.55 | zaikxtox | neuro64:/usr/src/e.DR17/e17/libs/edb# ./autogen.sh |
| 18:30.55 | zaikxtox | Running aclocal... |
| 18:30.55 | zaikxtox | aclocal: configure.in: 11: macro `AM_ENABLE_SHARED' not found in library |
| 18:30.57 | zaikxtox | some ideas? |
| 18:31.10 | kisielk | tryingtohelp: but those lines actually do the installation, no? |
| 18:31.11 | Lorvija | rleigh also i remember having something like that once earlier too.. do you think another hd of the software raid might be broken? |
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| 18:31.44 | rleigh | Lorvija: Check /proc/mdstat and see if it's working or in the middle of a resync. |
| 18:31.49 | SimonRaven | zaikxtox: ask in their channel |
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| 18:32.09 | [1]Alex | my pc didn´t boot debian from cd why? |
| 18:32.17 | abrotman | check your bios |
| 18:32.17 | Lorvija | rleigh Personalities : [raid1] md0 : active raid1 hda5[0] hdc5[1] 195358272 blocks [2/2] [UU] |
| 18:32.28 | tryingtohelp | [1]Alex: can it boot other CDs? |
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| 18:32.33 | zaikxtox | SimonRaven, ok. ithink it's a debian thing.. but... |
| 18:32.40 | [1]Alex | jes windows cds |
| 18:32.42 | tryingtohelp | kisielk: they do the setup after installation. |
| 18:32.49 | SimonRaven | no it isn't. it's a user thing |
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| 18:33.10 | Lorvija | oh btw rleigh last time i had similar msg and after i rebooted it did fsck automatically.. |
| 18:33.17 | Hideki_ | Hello. Having downloaded a debian kernel my nat still isn't working and is in fact still giving the error: iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `-tnat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. - in /proc/net/ip_tables_targets I see DNAT and SNAT, so, what now -.- |
| 18:33.22 | SimonRaven | you're trying to build enlightenment. why would that be a debian thing? |
| 18:33.25 | tryingtohelp | kisielk: without those the file will be there, but other things might be missing, so it can break some things to do with out, but can be a lost resort if everything else fails. |
| 18:33.30 | StuckMojo | meh. |
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| 18:33.47 | tryingtohelp | kisielk: I'd suggest to try to run those commands one by one by hand and see which one fails. |
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| 18:34.30 | rleigh | Lorvija: That's OK. If you reboot, things are going to get stuck. Force a sync with Alt+SysReq+S if things get hairy. Once you recovered, install smartmontools and check the hard discs (smartctl -t long and then -a to check the results). Things are already going wrong, so I would sync and restart ASAP. |
| 18:34.31 | sbk | How can I find out what package a given file came from? There's some dpkg option for this that somehow I must be blind to in the man page |
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| 18:34.42 | Gathond | sbk: -S |
| 18:34.48 | sbk | Gathond: ah, thank you |
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| 18:35.23 | m2 | sbk: that, or you look at http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 18:35.35 | Lorvija | rleigh okay thanks will do, just one question what does smartmontools do? |
| 18:35.58 | sbk | m2: interesting. Well -- I have the file already installed, so the dpkg -S is handy. Thanks for the info however |
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| 18:36.19 | rleigh | Lorvija: It accesses the SMART information in the hard disc firmware. It can run the internal HDD self tests. |
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| 18:37.06 | Lorvija | rleigh okay thanks, i'll reboot now |
| 18:37.43 | [1]Alex | is it possible to install debian without booting??? |
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| 18:38.41 | sbk | I suppose, technically, one could dd copy a disk image and claim install points without booting ;-) |
| 18:39.05 | tryingtohelp | [1]Alex: difficult. Can you boot from floppy? (after booting it might be able to access the CD) or from usb-stick? |
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| 18:39.27 | rleigh | Lorvija: OK. Let us know how things go. |
| 18:39.30 | [1]Alex | from floppy i think |
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| 18:40.38 | tarzeau | !seen synrg |
| 18:40.40 | dpkg | synrg <n=synrg@unaffiliated/synrg> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 6h 13m ago, saying: 'jm_: not if your locale is UTF-8 and you have the appropriate fonts installed'. |
| 18:40.40 | tryingtohelp | all: Do the current CD images still have boot floppy images on it? |
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| 18:40.56 | JoeBlack | What is the binary name to start openoffice? |
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| 18:41.06 | [1]Alex | no |
| 18:41.15 | tarzeau | tryingtohelp: i think so |
| 18:41.20 | vagabund | !seen destiny |
| 18:41.20 | dpkg | destiny <n=lisa@229.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19d 12h 32m 13s ago, saying: 'JimButton: you are as cute as a button, aren't you? :)'. |
| 18:41.24 | tarzeau | tryingtohelp: do you still have floppy drives? |
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| 18:41.41 | tryingtohelp | tarzeau: -> [1]Alex |
| 18:41.42 | tarzeau | hmm |
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| 18:41.48 | tarzeau | vagabund: funny, kinda ;) |
| 18:41.50 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:41.50 | dpkg | <nvz> Pretty much lost interest in school after the 3rd of 4th year when I seen that they couldnt teach me anything anymore, and I began my own quest of knowlage |
| 18:41.58 | [1]Alex | hmm i want to make a server on this pc maybe an other version of linux will be better? |
| 18:42.07 | tarzeau | [1]Alex: i doubt |
| 18:42.13 | tarzeau | [1]Alex: why not netboot/install? |
| 18:42.16 | caronte | abrotman, I finished the installation, but it installed just the base system, without X.... |
| 18:42.26 | abrotman | caronte: which WM/DE would you like? |
| 18:42.33 | [1]Alex | i cant boot |
| 18:42.38 | tarzeau | [1]Alex: why not? |
| 18:42.58 | caronte | abrotman, wait, how can i get back to the config...? |
| 18:43.05 | [1]Alex | i dont know^^ the pc is doing nothing |
| 18:43.12 | abrotman | caronte: which config ? |
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| 18:43.30 | sbk | I'd like to add a module that doesn't seem to be present in the stock 2.4.27-2-686 package. Can you point me to docs that will let me just add that one module? (this is the cifs.o module, if that makes any difference) |
| 18:43.41 | caronte | abrotman, the one where it asked me to set the passwd ecc... |
| 18:43.51 | abrotman | caronte: why woudl you want back in there? |
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| 18:44.38 | m2 | [1]Alex: define server. |
| 18:45.04 | [1]Alex | web and teamspeak server |
| 18:45.27 | m2 | [1]Alex: I've got my firewall and sandbox apache on a Pentium 233 with 128 MB of RAM. |
| 18:45.36 | m2 | [1]Alex: works very well with Sarge. |
| 18:45.37 | abrotman | too fast! |
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| 18:45.41 | Lorvija | rleigh reboot ok, starting smart test now |
| 18:46.02 | m2 | abrotman: I wanted a 66 MHz Pentium, but those were too expensive. |
| 18:46.03 | Blissex | sbk: there is a little utility called 'module-assistant' |
| 18:46.07 | caronte | abrotman, because there was a point where it asked me what packages i needed, and I think I was supposed to tick them, so i hit enter, but I don't think that was what i was supposed to do.... |
| 18:46.13 | abrotman | m2: i have a few cyrix200 boxen here :) |
| 18:46.21 | sbk | Blissex: ah, ok. thanks for that pointer, will look at it |
| 18:46.22 | abrotman | caronte: what Desktop do you prefer? |
| 18:46.28 | Blissex | sbk: also, 2.4.x has the 'smbfs' module that is almost equivalent |
| 18:46.36 | [1]Alex | but maybe its better to use suse linux? |
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| 18:46.53 | caronte | abrotman, both fluxbox and kde... |
| 18:46.58 | sbk | Blissex: yes -- I've tried that. However, it looks like it has trouble mounting some of the windows shares available here, and cifs appears to work |
| 18:47.02 | rleigh | Lorvija: OK. Even though you are running ext3 filesystems, I'd recommend unmounting the RAID filesystem(s) and fscking them by hand with -f after you've done the tests. |
| 18:47.06 | abrotman | caronte: apt-get install kde fluxbox x-window-system menu kdm |
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| 18:47.11 | abrotman | caronte: as root |
| 18:47.13 | bitlogic | !downgrade |
| 18:47.13 | dpkg | hmm... downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 18:47.15 | m2 | [1]Alex: SUSE on an old box? are you joking? |
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| 18:47.30 | abrotman | go m2 go go |
| 18:47.30 | Lorvija | rleigh i think it did fsck when rebooting (: |
| 18:47.31 | Blissex | sbk: that 'smbfs' does not work is rather unlikely |
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| 18:47.52 | zbiw | hi everybody |
| 18:47.53 | [1]Alex | hmm i never worked with linux bevore its my first time |
| 18:47.57 | sbk | Blissex: you would think so, wouldn't you :-) |
| 18:48.25 | Blissex | sbk: :-) |
| 18:48.36 | loukoum | under ftp, how do I dowload multiple files without having to say yes for each files ? |
| 18:48.36 | ricky_clarkson | I never worked with Linux before my first time either. |
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| 18:48.45 | Blissex | [1]Alex: any Linux distro will work well on an old machine _if_ you dont use a GUI. |
| 18:48.57 | zbiw | i need to know if debian can be setup on a powerbook G4 |
| 18:48.58 | m2 | [1]Alex: then do yourself a favor and install something that allows you to learn but at the same time gives you hand when you need it. |
| 18:48.58 | zbiw | ??? |
| 18:49.01 | [1]Alex | what is Ubuntu 5.04??? |
| 18:49.05 | m2 | [1]Alex: that's called Debian. |
| 18:49.05 | Lorvija | rleigh argh.. does that test really take ~2 hours? (: |
| 18:49.20 | ricky_clarkson | [1]Alex: Something to ask in #ubuntu. |
| 18:49.24 | Blissex | loukoum: you set the option not to ask for confirmation if you use 'ftp', or else you use another FTP client |
| 18:49.24 | Hideki_ | Hello. Having downloaded a debian kernel my nat still isn't working and is in fact still giving the error: iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `-tnat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. - in /proc/net/ip_tables_targets I see DNAT and SNAT, so, what now -.- |
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| 18:49.37 | zbiw | can i install a debian PPC on a powerbook G4 by apple ???? |
| 18:49.41 | Lorvija | rleigh and can i run that test (smartctl -t) to more than one disk at the same time? |
| 18:49.54 | m2 | zbiw: yes. |
| 18:50.00 | [1]Alex | yes i searched for a version of linux and found debian but i d0on´t know wich linux is better for me |
| 18:50.04 | Blissex | zbiw: #Debian-PPC IIRC, but the answer is yes as m2 says |
| 18:50.11 | caronte | abrotman, what's menu and kdm....? |
| 18:50.19 | tarzeau | [1]Alex: can you not just install and try it? |
| 18:50.31 | m2 | zbiw: go to the web site, http://www.debian.org/, and look for the ports section, there are some good pointers in there. |
| 18:50.31 | abrotman | caronte: kdm is the login manager .. menu is the debian menu system .. you want at least menu .. and probably kdm |
| 18:50.35 | tarzeau | caronte: menu is a package you want to have, when you use X |
| 18:50.36 | Blissex | [1]Alex: depends on what you want to do and how much of a n00b you are and the PC you got |
| 18:50.42 | zbiw | thanks |
| 18:50.44 | abrotman | zbiw: #debianppc |
| 18:50.49 | rleigh | Lorvija: Yes. It depends on the size of your discs. My 40 GiB drive takes ~30 mins. You can run the test on both discs at once (and use them at the same time unless you run in captive mode). The tests are run by the HDD, not the operating system. |
| 18:50.54 | tarzeau | caronte: kdm you want to replace by xdm or wdm, or maybe use console login and startx |
| 18:50.57 | zbiw | okay thank's |
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| 18:51.02 | [1]Alex | ^^i don´t know how to install without booting |
| 18:51.04 | Lorvija | rleigh okay thanks |
| 18:51.14 | zbiw | is it difficult to install or does it pc like ? |
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| 18:51.20 | caronte | abrotman, will i have to configure X manually once is done...? |
| 18:51.44 | Blissex | [1]Alex: if you want just to try Linux yiou can have a look at http://WWW.CoLinux.org/ |
| 18:51.50 | rleigh | Lorvija: After the time is up, just run with -a and it should tell you the test results at the bottom (and a lot more useful info, which might be useful if there's a fault) |
| 18:51.52 | m2 | [1]Alex: without booting? does the computer have a CD-ROM? |
| 18:51.53 | Blissex | zbiw: PC like. |
| 18:52.00 | Hideki_ | still waiting for an answer, perhaps from one of th people in here who insisted I install a debian kernel when I knew damn well that wasn't the problem |
| 18:52.02 | zbiw | oki |
| 18:52.08 | Lorvija | rleigh okay thanks! |
| 18:52.11 | zbiw | so i will buy a powerbook |
| 18:52.13 | [1]Alex | jes^^ |
| 18:52.18 | zbiw | and install debian on it |
| 18:52.18 | JoeBlack | How can I install openoffice v2 beta with debian/sid...I tried doing apt-cache search openoffice...but I don't see beta 2 listed |
| 18:52.21 | JoeBlack | Anyone have any idea? |
| 18:52.30 | zbiw | and after that i think a would have a lot of fun |
| 18:52.31 | zbiw | !!! |
| 18:52.31 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 18:52.37 | stew | JoeBlack: ask #debian-oo |
| 18:52.39 | abrotman | caronte: it will ask you questions ... |
| 18:52.39 | Blissex | Hideki_: a bit impatient he. |
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| 18:52.54 | paulswm | [1]Alex: Re. your booting problem, some older CD drives won't read from a CD-RW, so if your CD is a CD-RW then you may need to rewrite it on a CR-R |
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| 18:53.03 | paulswm | CD-R |
| 18:53.05 | caronte | abrotman, when, when i do startx ...._ |
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| 18:53.16 | Gathond | JoeBlack: make your own package of it, or wait until someone else does |
| 18:53.20 | Blissex | Hideki_: 'cat /proc/net/ip_tables_names' can't lie |
| 18:53.22 | [1]Alex | it is a CD-R |
| 18:53.25 | abrotman | caronte: uhm .. that's what kdm is for .. if you don't want kdm .. we'll remove it afterwards |
| 18:53.26 | m2 | [1]Alex: then you can download an iso image of Debian, burn it to a CD-R and boot your computer with it. |
| 18:53.33 | zbiw | other question, does anyone have an idea about the latest kde ? on unstable ? |
| 18:53.36 | neversaynever | hello...i try apt-get install mplayer.but it says it couldnt find that package.how will i achieve that? |
| 18:53.42 | Hideki_ | that has filtre and nat in it |
| 18:53.45 | FromTO | Hi I am trying to setup some users on my system. I added all of them and created a temp password. What I want to do is to allow them to login via password maximum two times. one to change the temp pasword and the other to setup their public key. After which I want to disallow anyone the user from login in unless their using keys. Is this possible |
| 18:53.49 | Blissex | zbiw: dont even think about it. |
| 18:53.49 | paulswm | [1]Alex: What is the CD-R which won't boot? From where did you get it? |
| 18:53.50 | JoeBlack | Gathond, Why wouldn't I just download from openoffice.org? |
| 18:53.51 | [1]Alex | o i done it but the cd-r didn´t boot |
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| 18:53.51 | abrotman | !tell neversaynever about mplayer |
| 18:53.52 | caronte | abrotman, the simpler the better.... |
| 18:53.56 | abrotman | caronte: ah ok |
| 18:53.58 | zbiw | oki thanks |
| 18:54.05 | zbiw | ho i'm sorry |
| 18:54.06 | Hideki_ | I followed the ip masq howto for 2.6 |
| 18:54.09 | zbiw | i should go |
| 18:54.09 | abrotman | caronte: just go with what i told oyu before .. then we'll see how it goes |
| 18:54.10 | zbiw | but |
| 18:54.11 | Gathond | JoeBlack: do that then, but unless they provide .debs I wont recommend it |
| 18:54.12 | Hideki_ | it worked on 2.2 with ipchains |
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| 18:54.22 | Blissex | FromTO: probably yes if you use the dhadow password system. |
| 18:54.23 | zbiw | i'll be back quickly |
| 18:54.28 | m2 | [1]Alex: then you can pop the CD in, and boot windows if it's installed, and open the CD and double click on the install program. |
| 18:54.30 | zbiw | thank's again |
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| 18:54.46 | FromTO | Blissex: I will look into that, thanks |
| 18:54.47 | [1]Alex | i downloadet an iso-image from derbian.org |
| 18:55.06 | [1]Alex | an 80mb image |
| 18:55.13 | caronte | abrotman, i used gentoo, and i god sick of doing stuff the hard way... |
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| 18:55.18 | m2 | [1]Alex: that is called a "netinst image" |
| 18:55.26 | abrotman | caronte: i gave you the easy way |
| 18:55.28 | Lorvija | rleigh btw one thing.. if one of the hd's is faulty should i keep the hd use in minimum or is it okay to use it.. (i'd need to upload thousands of photos..) |
| 18:55.28 | [1]Alex | ok |
| 18:55.31 | abrotman | caronte: |
| 18:55.33 | abrotman | bah |
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| 18:55.36 | Gokee2 | Hey all I was wondering how to mount a usb card reader? Thanks! I tried "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1" but it said it wanted a filesystem type? |
| 18:55.41 | Hideki_ | is iptables 1.2.11 the right one for a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 18:55.47 | paulswm | [1]Alex: And how did you burn the CD-R? |
| 18:55.49 | abrotman | caronte: if i make it hard for you .. makes more work for me .. why would i do that? :) |
| 18:55.50 | FromTO | Blissex: I just googled, nothing came out. Where can I read about this |
| 18:56.08 | jnc | Gokee2: most filesystems on flash cards are FAT16 format |
| 18:56.09 | tarzeau | Hideki_: yes |
| 18:56.15 | [1]Alex | i burned the iso image with nero. thats all |
| 18:56.17 | jnc | Gokee2: the driver for that fs type is called vfat |
| 18:56.24 | tarzeau | [1]Alex: did you burn it right? |
| 18:56.26 | paulswm | [1]Alex: What I'm getting at is that if you just copied the .iso file to the CD, it isn't going to work |
| 18:56.28 | abrotman | as an iso or as data ? |
| 18:56.35 | jnc | Gokee2: mount /dev/whatever -t vfat /mnt/destination_dir |
| 18:56.38 | tarzeau | [1]Alex: i've seen people burn an .iso file to the cd-r .. heh |
| 18:56.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: as a file ;) |
| 18:56.51 | caronte | abrotman, i think we have two opposite ways of thinking.... |
| 18:56.53 | rleigh | Lorvija: The RAID should work fine with one disc. If you need to replace the HDD, you can re-mirror (raidhotadd IIRC) at a later date with a new disc. |
| 18:56.54 | m2 | [1]Alex: can you see several files in Windows when you open the CD or just one? |
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| 18:57.08 | [1]Alex | on my windows pc i can see the files |
| 18:57.08 | abrotman | caronte: i told oyu one command to get your kde and fluxbox .. |
| 18:57.22 | Gokee2 | jnc, ok all try that one sec |
| 18:57.27 | m2 | [1]Alex: sounds like it's right then. |
| 18:57.29 | jnc | tarzeau: realize now, that it is likely those people actually burned an ISO9660 image within an ISO9660 image. so, yeah. |
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| 18:57.35 | m2 | [1]Alex: can you boot from CD-ROM on this computer? |
| 18:57.37 | Lorvija | rleigh well that one error which i pasted to pastebin happened in raid disk... and still it froze the whole system |
| 18:57.41 | m2 | [1]Alex: the Windows CD-ROM for example. |
| 18:57.42 | Blissex | FromTO: try 'man chage' |
| 18:58.01 | [1]Alex | yes |
| 18:58.09 | Gokee2 | jnc, I now get "mount: No medium found"? Where should my card reader be? |
| 18:58.09 | caronte | abrotman, i know, i am not arguing, just sayn.. |
| 18:58.12 | jnc | Gokee2: you may be using the wrong device though. some flash devices have no partitioning information, and in that event you would specify the entire device /dev/sda |
| 18:58.16 | m2 | [1]Alex: but the debian image won't work? |
| 18:58.25 | [1]Alex | yea |
| 18:58.46 | jnc | Gokee2: you could get a feel for what is visible by doing 'fdisk -l' as root |
| 18:59.00 | jnc | Gokee2: fdisk will then list all partitions it knows about |
| 18:59.00 | Gokee2 | ok |
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| 18:59.10 | abrotman | caronte: have you done it yet?> |
| 18:59.46 | [1]Alex | ok thx maybe i try it with windows nt ciao all |
| 18:59.46 | caronte | abrotman, it's at like 75% |
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| 18:59.51 | abrotman | caronte: yay |
| 18:59.53 | Gokee2 | jnc, it has nothing but my hard drives? |
| 18:59.55 | Schiz0 | How do I set the timezone? |
| 18:59.56 | rleigh | Lorvija: You would need to run that oops message through ksymoops to get enough detail to see what triggered it (in this case, the entry point was sys_open from open(2). It might not have been a RAID fault. |
| 19:00.27 | caronte | abrotman, installs r pretty quick compared to gentoo... :-) |
| 19:00.33 | Gokee2 | jnc, BTW I did a hot plug on my usb card reader if that makes a diff |
| 19:00.39 | jnc | Gokee2: you may want to check to see if the driver is loaded for usb storage; try 'lsmod | grep storage' |
| 19:00.40 | abrotman | caronte: yay binary packages |
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| 19:01.13 | Ungy | is the switch to xorg brutal or pretty easy? |
| 19:01.31 | tarzeau | Ungy: horrortrip |
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| 19:01.33 | jshriver | Ungy: curious myself... isn't xorg a tree split from XFree86? |
| 19:01.36 | jnc | Gokee2: in this practice of using USB storage devices, i don't think it makes a difference what you do with it. the important bits are if you have support or not loaded for the hardware |
| 19:01.36 | caronte | abrotman, oh, btw how am i gonna choose between fluxbox and kde....? |
| 19:01.41 | Lorvija | rleigh do you mean that pastebin info with that "oops message" ? |
| 19:01.47 | Ungy | tarzeau wish me luck man |
| 19:01.47 | abrotman | caronte: with kdm :) |
| 19:01.51 | jnc | Ungy: it's practically the same |
| 19:01.57 | tarzeau | Ungy: i'd rather hand you some valium |
| 19:01.58 | caronte | abrotman, sweet |
| 19:02.00 | Schiz0 | caronte- fluxbox rocks |
| 19:02.22 | Gokee2 | jnc, looks good to me? --> usb_storage 69056 0 scsi_mod 125228 2 sd_mod,usb_storage usbcore 119012 5 usb_storage,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd ide_core 139940 5 usb_storage,ide_cd,ide_generic,ide_disk,amd74xx |
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| 19:02.30 | jshriver | Anyone know if a Sempron 2200+ CPU is fast enough for mencoder to do real-time encodes ? I'm planning to built a MythTV box |
| 19:02.33 | jnc | Gokee2: in the future, please do not paste in-chan for #debian |
| 19:02.34 | caronte | Schiz0, i know, i've used it a long time... |
| 19:02.34 | abrotman | at least .. i hope kdm has "Debian session" and KDE |
| 19:02.35 | tarzeau | caronte: what about you try amiwm? |
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| 19:02.39 | jnc | they get their panties in a bundle |
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| 19:02.46 | Schiz0 | How do I set the timezone? |
| 19:02.53 | auk | auk-- |
| 19:02.53 | jnc | Gokee2: you could use pastebin.com for future pastes |
| 19:02.59 | auk | !auk-- |
| 19:02.59 | Gokee2 | jnc, O ok |
| 19:03.02 | abrotman | jnc: i go commando i'll have you know! |
| 19:03.02 | dreamie | what is a good bittorent program to install? |
| 19:03.06 | caronte | abrotman, what do u mean...? |
| 19:03.06 | tarzeau | !tz |
| 19:03.06 | dpkg | i guess tz is defined in /etc/default/rcS to fix that annoying warning message output by hwclockfirst.sh if your /usr is not on the root filesystem |
| 19:03.11 | Schiz0 | dreamie- azurus |
| 19:03.12 | jnc | abrotman: i'm commando right now, bizzzza |
| 19:03.12 | tarzeau | !timezone |
| 19:03.12 | dpkg | i guess timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
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| 19:03.21 | Schiz0 | dreamie- I'm not sure if I spelled that right, but I think it is |
| 19:03.24 | Ungy | jshriver good question I would hope so |
| 19:03.29 | Gokee2 | jnc, So did everything look ok? |
| 19:03.41 | caronte | Schiz0, isn't it azureus...? |
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| 19:03.42 | jnc | Gokee2: yeah that looks okay |
| 19:03.45 | dreamie | no programs under azurus found |
| 19:03.56 | abrotman | that's spelled wrong |
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| 19:04.03 | caronte | azureus |
| 19:04.03 | abrotman | !info azureus |
| 19:04.05 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4659 kB, Installed size: 5284 kB |
| 19:04.06 | abrotman | or some crap |
| 19:04.10 | phreak | How do I get rid of the delay/timeout on su? |
| 19:04.12 | Gokee2 | jnc, Then what is the problem? I have mounted removable hds before without a problem |
| 19:04.18 | jnc | riiiight |
| 19:04.33 | jnc | is ehci-hcd module loaded? (it causes problems sometimes) |
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| 19:04.39 | dreamie | are you sure? |
| 19:04.51 | dreamie | azureus doesnt come up in my sources |
| 19:04.51 | caronte | positive |
| 19:05.08 | dreamie | would you happen to know the repository that has it? |
| 19:05.13 | Gokee2 | jnc, Er whats that? And how do I see? |
| 19:05.28 | jnc | Gokee2: lsmod | grep ehci |
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| 19:05.45 | jnc | if that's loaded, you could try unloading it. EHCI is used for USB 2.0 support |
| 19:05.46 | caronte | dreamie, nope, sorry |
| 19:06.12 | jnc | Gokee2: on my athlon64 based computer here, nothing works when usb 2.0 support loads |
| 19:06.15 | Gokee2 | jnc, ehci_hcd is loaded. :(? Should I unload it? If so how? |
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| 19:06.26 | jnc | Gokee2: as root, modprobe -r ehci_hcd |
| 19:06.47 | Gokee2 | its gone |
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| 19:06.53 | jnc | Gokee2: also there is a 'usbview' program that can show you a graphical tree of all usb devices |
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| 19:07.14 | jnc | so you would be able to look at the devices seen by the usb subsystem |
| 19:07.49 | jnc | my suggestion is to go in order, making sure the usb subsystem sees that the device is plugged in |
| 19:08.00 | Gokee2 | I installed it but it does not seem to start |
| 19:08.03 | jnc | if so, then make sure that the usb <-> scsi (usb-storage) support is working |
| 19:08.11 | jnc | Gokee2: it may need root privs |
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| 19:08.33 | Gokee2 | I am trying to start as root |
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| 19:08.46 | caronte | abrotman, y is it usin xfree ...? |
| 19:09.00 | jnc | Gokee2: for reasons i do not understand, you cannot be root user and start an X11 app when you're logged into your account and running X11 as a normal user; install and use 'sudo' to run the X11 app |
| 19:09.14 | abrotman | caronte: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 19:09.17 | jnc | in example, 'sudo usbview' as normal user |
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| 19:09.22 | jnc | that seems to work for me |
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| 19:09.39 | caronte | abrotman, i'm still configuring.. |
| 19:09.49 | abrotman | caronte: ah ok .. just wait til you're done then |
| 19:09.57 | abrotman | caronte: wait .. are you using Sid ? |
| 19:10.06 | caronte | abrotman, what..? |
| 19:10.19 | abrotman | unstable / sid ? |
| 19:10.28 | Gokee2 | jnc, I don`t have sudo working but I do start programs as root as my user a *lot* for video editing and burning cds/dvds |
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| 19:10.33 | caronte | abrotman, what is it...? |
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| 19:11.08 | jnc | Gokee2: interesting |
| 19:11.15 | abrotman | caronte: never mind .. just keep giong .. i'll explain later |
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| 19:11.42 | caronte | abrotman, what i was asking is i wont be able to use xorg...' |
| 19:11.42 | Gokee2 | jnc, seems usbview also kills whatever konsole I start it on |
| 19:11.44 | theD3viL | why BMP opens in all the 4 desktops? |
| 19:11.58 | Gokee2 | ctr z or ctr c don`t work |
| 19:12.13 | abrotman | caronte: you can .. but let's get it wrokign first :) |
| 19:12.23 | bitlogic | !downgrade |
| 19:12.23 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 19:12.32 | abrotman | caronte: what kind of video card |
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| 19:12.38 | abrotman | !tell bitlogic about downgrade |
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| 19:13.10 | jnc | Gokee2: i don't know... i think that's a good head start though :) |
| 19:13.11 | jnc | good luck |
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| 19:13.44 | jnc | Gokee2: the only other factoid i could give you is to 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' |
| 19:13.54 | jnc | and you can see what the scsi subsystem thinks is sthere |
| 19:14.01 | tarzeau | illsci: why can you msg me, and i not you? 21:13 [gnu] -!- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( |
| 19:14.01 | Gokee2 | jnc, er if I try to do ANYTHING with usb it fails......... I think it liked that driver I unloaded.... |
| 19:14.05 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.06 | tarzeau | lilo: WHY? |
| 19:14.14 | tarzeau | oh "please register" |
| 19:14.26 | LoRez | tarzeau: identify |
| 19:14.28 | jnc | Gokee2: 'modprobe ehci_hcd' |
| 19:14.34 | jnc | to load it again |
| 19:14.35 | illsci | i am registered |
| 19:14.40 | illsci | anyway |
| 19:14.41 | illsci | whats your email |
| 19:14.42 | tarzeau | whenever i register, five seconds later freenode breaks apart, just before i want to /msg omeone |
| 19:14.45 | tarzeau | SUCKS |
| 19:14.47 | illsci | yeah |
| 19:14.52 | illsci | it says im identified |
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| 19:15.00 | tarzeau | illsci: i too, was identified |
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| 19:15.32 | caronte | abrotman, as drivers for an nvidia geforce 4 4200ti should i choose nv ....? |
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| 19:15.43 | abrotman | caronte: will you need 3d ? |
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| 19:15.54 | caronte | abrotman, no |
| 19:16.04 | abrotman | caronte: then ... i think nv will work |
| 19:16.11 | abrotman | blasted nvidia garbage |
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| 19:16.28 | DoppelGanger | blasted user inablitity to config X |
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| 19:16.50 | abrotman | let me guess |
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| 19:16.57 | abrotman | nv isn't gonna work with geforce4 is it ? |
| 19:17.04 | DoppelGanger | no it will |
| 19:17.11 | DoppelGanger | i was just being unhelpful |
| 19:17.15 | abrotman | oh .. yes it will |
| 19:17.15 | DoppelGanger | :p |
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| 19:17.18 | m2 | abrotman: AFAIK it works even with the 6x00 |
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| 19:17.23 | caronte | abrotman, what should i enter for video card bus identifier...? |
| 19:17.26 | abrotman | yeah .. i found it |
| 19:17.29 | abrotman | caronte: blank |
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| 19:18.03 | penguin | If I run a command int the background like $command & |
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| 19:18.11 | penguin | What happens if I turn the computer off |
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| 19:18.20 | abrotman | penguin: you mean .. off off? |
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| 19:18.26 | abrotman | like as in .. the power light goes off / |
| 19:18.26 | tarzeau | penguin: it's like you remove the power cable |
| 19:18.27 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:18.28 | penguin | off off |
| 19:18.30 | jnc | penguin: well, if your computer is off, then there is no power |
| 19:18.33 | jnc | penguin: and it is dead |
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| 19:18.42 | abrotman | damn |
| 19:18.55 | penguin | But does the program save state and start running when you turne it back on? |
| 19:18.56 | abrotman | !qotd146 is <penguin> If I run a command int the background like $command & <penguin> What happens if I turn the computer off |
| 19:18.56 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 19:19.03 | abrotman | penguin: no |
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| 19:19.08 | abrotman | penguin: to sleep maybe .. |
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| 19:19.31 | jnc | penguin: in general, backgrounding a process means that it runs with that instance of the shell |
| 19:19.32 | m2 | aaaaah... now I see what he's trying to ask... |
| 19:19.54 | jnc | penguin: so it would be backgrounded and function as long as the parent process (/bin/bash or whatever) is operational |
| 19:19.55 | tarzeau | !karma |
| 19:19.55 | dpkg | tarzeau has karma of 7 |
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| 19:20.00 | tarzeau | !karma greycat |
| 19:20.01 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 19:20.05 | penguin | Is there a way to get it to save state and run again if you turn the computer on? |
| 19:20.09 | archpollux | !karma |
| 19:20.09 | dpkg | archpollux has neutral karma |
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| 19:20.12 | archpollux | :) |
| 19:20.13 | abrotman | penguin: you mean suspend ? |
| 19:20.14 | m2 | penguin: if you turn the computer off (off off, really off) the operating system stops all the programs that are running. Next time you turn it on, none of them will start from where they left. |
| 19:20.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: hehe .. you're slow |
| 19:20.22 | jnc | penguin: when you shutdown the computer, /sbin/init kills all processes, so.... yeah that includes killing bash in the example where bash is your shell |
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| 19:20.26 | archpollux | penguin: there's a thing called libunexec |
| 19:20.27 | illsci | hey |
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| 19:20.44 | illsci | why do you need kernel headers when you compile a certain version of the linux kernel |
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| 19:20.44 | illsci | ? |
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| 19:23.37 | illsci | how do you use the kernel-patches .debs with the kernel.org kernel source? |
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| 19:23.51 | JoeBlack | How do I set a password with grub so someone can't boot grub into single user mode and change my root password? |
| 19:23.53 | illsci | do you just manuall patch it yourself with the installed files |
| 19:24.17 | jnc | JoeBlack: uhh |
| 19:24.28 | jnc | JoeBlack: you mean boot debian into single user mode, right? |
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| 19:24.59 | Gathond | JoeBlack: check the grub documentation, but its really not something that ever will be bulletprof |
| 19:25.15 | frankie | JoeBlack: to run single user mode you need to provide password before |
| 19:25.19 | jnc | JoeBlack: yea, a user could always roll up with a floppy disk |
| 19:25.21 | Blissex | JoeBlack: you cannot. |
| 19:25.41 | rleigh | JoeBlack: Single user mode requires a root password in any case, but you can also password-protect the grub menu. Just add the password to menu.lst (it's documented in the grub.info manual). |
| 19:25.45 | Gathond | JoeBlack: you really cant prevent someone with psysical access who wants to hurt you |
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| 19:25.55 | jnc | JoeBlack: trust in the lord |
| 19:26.32 | jnc | PLASTIC WILL PERSERVERE! |
| 19:26.44 | caronte | abrotman, it says hda error waiting for dma.... |
| 19:26.51 | abrotman | caronte: says what? |
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| 19:27.34 | caronte | abrotman, when the config was over i got some errors.... |
| 19:27.58 | mikonian | how do i configure kde to auto-mount to the desktop my dvdrw and cdrw drives? |
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| 19:28.13 | abrotman | caronte: you sure the drive is good ? |
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| 19:28.50 | caronte | abrotman, which one...? |
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| 19:29.46 | abrotman | the one *in* the computer |
| 19:30.02 | caronte | abrotman, u mean the HD ...? |
| 19:30.06 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:30.21 | caronte | oh, yes, it should be... |
| 19:30.29 | DbD- | bn all ++ |
| 19:30.38 | abrotman | caronte: is the system working ? |
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| 19:30.54 | caronte | abrotman, yes |
| 19:31.01 | abrotman | caronte: did kdm load? |
| 19:31.09 | caronte | no |
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| 19:31.47 | abrotman | caronte: are you done configuring stuff? |
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| 19:32.29 | caronte | abrotman, u dont understand as soon as i finished the x config before i restarted anything it gave me some errors... |
| 19:32.37 | patricius | how to mount a .bin file in /mnt/iso directory? |
| 19:32.43 | abrotman | caronte: errors about waht? .. can you type one in here ? |
| 19:32.43 | Aradorn | hey anyone know if there is a streaming server taht will allow you to choose what you want to listen to off the playlist? |
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| 19:33.01 | caronte | abrotman, it says hda error waiting for dma.... |
| 19:33.12 | abrotman | caronte: and the system is locked ? |
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| 19:33.27 | caronte | wait, let me c |
| 19:33.47 | grumbel | patricius: you can't, but you can either try to convert it into an iso with bchunk or in case its a video-cd play it directly with vlc or mplayer |
| 19:33.51 | tarzeau | this place sucks, i'll be back when it doesn't suck anymore |
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| 19:34.02 | caronte | abrotman, yes |
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| 19:34.07 | abrotman | !troll tarzeau |
| 19:34.08 | Lorvija | i'm trying to run "memtest" but it always fails with "Allocated 2142240768 bytes...trying mlock...Segmentation fault |
| 19:34.11 | abrotman | hehe .. |
| 19:34.13 | abrotman | sorry |
| 19:34.16 | abrotman | caronte: restart it |
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| 19:35.21 | rleigh | Lorvija: It's best to run memtest from a boot floppy or GRUB at startup. |
| 19:35.21 | caronte | abrotman, what the f###, it doesnt boot... |
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| 19:35.32 | abrotman | caronte: my word .. it doesn't boot at all? |
| 19:35.37 | abrotman | caronte: did we just kill your HDD ? |
| 19:35.39 | patricius | grumbel thx |
| 19:35.47 | mikonian | Can someone please give me a hand with something? |
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| 19:35.55 | caronte | abrotman, it doesnt boot at all |
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| 19:36.04 | Lorvija | rleigh hmm okay, do you happen to remember any howto to show howto run it from a boot floppy? (: |
| 19:36.10 | abrotman | caronte: does the BIOS see the drive? |
| 19:36.19 | caronte | let me see |
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| 19:36.53 | caronte | abrotman, yes, it does |
| 19:37.03 | abrotman | caronte: does grub come up? |
| 19:37.10 | caronte | no |
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| 19:37.28 | abrotman | caronte: what does it say? |
| 19:37.32 | abrotman | or does it just blink ? |
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| 19:37.34 | Latis | is ssh locked to local ip as default? |
| 19:37.39 | Astroman | Does anyone know why my monitor that can goto 1280x1024 will only go as high as 800x600? |
| 19:37.42 | Latis | cause I cant login from my remote machine |
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| 19:37.49 | caronte | abrotman, says disk boot failure insert system disk |
| 19:37.52 | Latis | I can connect.. but the password isnt accepted |
| 19:37.55 | illsci | hey do do a make menuconfig which ncurses packages do you need? |
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| 19:37.58 | rleigh | Lorvija: Sorry, I don't use x86 any more. It's probably in the documentation. |
| 19:38.04 | abrotman | caronte: are you serious? |
| 19:38.09 | Lorvija | rleigh okay no prob, i'll search some =) |
| 19:38.20 | Gathond | Latis: then apparantly the password is not correct, or at least not percieved as the correct one |
| 19:38.24 | caronte | abrotman, of course |
| 19:38.26 | Latis | it is |
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| 19:38.28 | Latis | Im sure |
| 19:38.28 | deni | could someone tell me how can I set the resolution to 1024x768? I've tried xf86config and dpkg-reconfigure too, but it always switched back to 800x600. I use a Compaq Armada 100s. |
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| 19:38.40 | segoave | Latis: look at /var/log/messages |
| 19:38.41 | Latis | but can it be locked to local users? not accepting remote logins |
| 19:38.42 | abrotman | caronte: have an ubuntu or other live CD about ? |
| 19:38.47 | theD3viL | Why BMP opens from desktop1 to desktop4 ? |
| 19:38.52 | Gathond | Latis: root login might be disabled though |
| 19:38.59 | Latis | how can I enable it? |
| 19:39.00 | nvz | deni: read the log to find out why it wont do 1024x768 |
| 19:39.02 | caronte | abrotman, yes |
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| 19:39.12 | GeekZoid | hi |
| 19:39.20 | abrotman | caronte: can you boot it and see if you can read anything on your HDD |
| 19:39.34 | GeekZoid | I would like to know if there is a way to auto-update an RPM package with debian |
| 19:39.46 | caronte | abrotman, let me ze |
| 19:40.04 | nvz | deni: it could be any number of factors such as Not enough available video memory to draw a screen of that size and color depth, to insuffecient capabilities of the display, adapter, or even the driver |
| 19:40.06 | dondelelcaro | GeekZoid: not really. Far better to request that whatever it is be packaged for Debian. |
| 19:40.11 | Latis | Gathond: how can I enable it? |
| 19:40.16 | nvz | deni: or some combination of all of the above |
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| 19:40.40 | briankeys | Was there a netsplit? seems like we're missing people here |
| 19:40.54 | dondelelcaro | briankeys: it's the spambots |
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| 19:40.58 | briankeys | haha :) |
| 19:41.01 | Gathond | Latis: change the configuration in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but there is really no good reason to allow root to login directly over ssh |
| 19:41.12 | Latis | ok |
| 19:41.14 | Astroman | Does anyone know why my monitor that can goto 1280x1024 will only go as high as 800x600? |
| 19:41.19 | nvz | never fear, nvz is here |
| 19:41.34 | abrotman | nvz: good .. help Astroman |
| 19:41.37 | nvz | Astroman: it could be any number of factors such as Not enough available video memory to draw a screen of that size and color depth, to insuffecient capabilities of the display, adapter, or even the driver |
| 19:41.42 | nvz | Astroman: I feel like a broken record |
| 19:41.46 | nvz | abrotman: ^ |
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| 19:41.48 | Astroman | D: |
| 19:41.59 | dondelelcaro | Astroman: or the fact that you've got your XF86Config-4 misconfigured... |
| 19:42.00 | Astroman | It's worked fine on all the other distro's i've used |
| 19:42.04 | nvz | Astroman: you have to check the log |
| 19:42.14 | thingfish | Astroman: do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose Advanced when setting up your monitor - that will allow you to define it correctly. |
| 19:42.18 | briankeys | Astroman, i think its your XF86Config file ;) i had a similiar problem |
| 19:42.31 | nvz | Astroman: that bears no nevermind to either us of the Xserver it would say why it cannot do the mode in the config |
| 19:42.53 | illsci | hey can someone tell me why i cant do make menuconfig |
| 19:42.53 | briankeys | Would anyone here happen to be proficient with iptables? :) |
| 19:42.54 | shocknawe | I upgraded to 2.6.11, and now I'm getting a kernel panic. I think the devfs isn't loading the /dev points or others. Is there a way to disable it? |
| 19:42.56 | illsci | i keep getting this error : |
| 19:42.58 | illsci | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 19:43.08 | illsci | ./usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses |
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| 19:43.18 | dondelelcaro | illsci: you don't have libncurses5-dev installed. |
| 19:43.23 | abrotman | illsci: libncurses5-dev |
| 19:43.25 | illsci | ok |
| 19:43.26 | illsci | thanks |
| 19:43.26 | nvz | illsci: you have to install libncurses5-dev kernel-package and fakeroot |
| 19:43.34 | caronte | abrotman, it would be strange if i burned this HD, it would be the 3rd in one month... |
| 19:43.41 | GeekZoid | I am just curious, about doing an AUTOUPDATE for an RPM that I create that I can have lets say 20 servers |
| 19:43.45 | nvz | illsci: kernel-package is the debian way to compile |
| 19:43.46 | GeekZoid | auto update it |
| 19:43.53 | illsci | why would i need fake-root |
| 19:43.54 | illsci | ? |
| 19:43.55 | dondelelcaro | GeekZoid: if you create it, just create a .deb instead. |
| 19:44.03 | GeekZoid | oh ok. thanks dondel. |
| 19:44.04 | illsci | yeah i was going to do make-kpkg |
| 19:44.06 | nvz | illsci: do you read every line of code you compile? |
| 19:44.09 | abrotman | caronte: all in the same case? |
| 19:44.15 | illsci | no |
| 19:44.21 | nvz | illsci: make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot.. blah |
| 19:44.29 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 19:44.29 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 19:44.38 | nvz | illsci: then how do you know one of those makefiles might not ruin your system running it as root |
| 19:44.44 | illsci | word |
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| 19:44.55 | illsci | because i got it from kernel.org... |
| 19:45.00 | caronte | abrotman, all sayd disk boot failure ...bla..bla |
| 19:45.05 | illsci | but.. i understand what your saying |
| 19:45.12 | abrotman | caronte: from your liveCD ? |
| 19:45.17 | nvz | one dot in the wrong place makes all the difference |
| 19:45.34 | caronte | abrotman, is still booting.... |
| 19:45.38 | illsci | im trying to add a new kernel to a debian cd |
| 19:45.44 | nvz | your job as admin is to make sure you use the super-user account for as little as possible |
| 19:45.45 | illsci | ... its not working out to well so far |
| 19:45.52 | illsci | dood i know |
| 19:45.55 | illsci | ive been doing this forever |
| 19:46.01 | illsci | i know you shouldnt run make as root |
| 19:46.07 | illsci | but this is a vmware image |
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| 19:46.12 | illsci | and im not really to worried about it |
| 19:46.13 | shocknawe | Anyone know anything about devfs and kernel panics and 2.6? |
| 19:46.21 | Latis | the sshd_config it got an option called AllowUsers |
| 19:46.31 | Latis | can I set this to something to allow all users to connect? |
| 19:46.34 | Latis | it now says admin |
| 19:46.41 | nvz | you shouldnt do anything as root that you don't have to |
| 19:46.45 | Latis | but I want all users to be able to connect through ssh |
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| 19:46.57 | illsci | nvz... its a vmware image |
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| 19:47.17 | illsci | anyway |
| 19:47.55 | nvz | if I was a christian I probably shouldnt sin just because I am not in church.. in good practice I should do right all the time |
| 19:47.58 | deni | nvz: I've found this: *(II) VESA(0): Not using built-in mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) |
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| 19:48.11 | caronte | abrotman, from the live cd i see that the partitions are all there... |
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| 19:48.20 | deni | but according to the spec I've found, the monitor should be able to work at 1024x768 |
| 19:48.32 | nvz | deni: that would probably be it. you would need to reconfigure the display settings for the LCD properly |
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| 19:48.40 | nvz | deni: if it can in fact do that mode |
| 19:48.54 | abrotman | caronte: can you reinstall grub from it ? |
| 19:49.16 | nvz | deni: yeah well the Xserver doesnt know that because the monitor is obviously misconfigured |
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| 19:49.50 | caronte | abrotman, cant i do that from the debian cd...? |
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| 19:50.08 | nvz | for a minute there I thought asuffield just came in here to ban himself |
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| 19:50.17 | abrotman | caronte: you could i suppose |
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| 19:50.35 | caronte | abrotman, probably with F1 |
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| 19:50.43 | illsci | hey is there any docs on debian.org |
| 19:50.45 | abrotman | caronte: i've never tried from the sarge installer |
| 19:50.48 | caronte | abrotman, checkin |
| 19:50.48 | illsci | about how to compile kernels |
| 19:50.50 | illsci | the debian way |
| 19:50.51 | illsci | ? |
| 19:51.08 | nvz | !enter |
| 19:51.08 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 19:51.24 | illsci | well |
| 19:51.26 | illsci | ? |
| 19:51.29 | priest | Can someone explain how to use iCal between eGroupWare and evolution? |
| 19:51.32 | nvz | I guess |
| 19:51.33 | nvz | you didnt |
| 19:51.37 | nvz | get my memo |
| 19:51.38 | illsci | maybe |
| 19:51.39 | illsci | I think |
| 19:51.41 | illsci | YOur a fag |
| 19:51.41 | nvz | about the enter key |
| 19:51.46 | illsci | and |
| 19:51.48 | illsci | you can kiss |
| 19:51.49 | abrotman | !kp |
| 19:51.49 | dpkg | [kp] To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 19:51.50 | illsci | my ass |
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| 19:51.53 | illsci | thanks |
| 19:52.17 | nvz | whats a fag, a cigar, bundle of sticks.. something like that |
| 19:52.26 | abrotman | bundle of sticks |
| 19:52.27 | illsci | nope its a lame nvz |
| 19:52.37 | illsci | talkign about running make as root on irc |
| 19:52.37 | jnc | !tell me about illsci |
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| 19:52.55 | jnc | hahaha |
| 19:53.00 | jnc | that's a good one |
| 19:53.12 | jkossen | hrm...friendly atmosphere today |
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| 19:53.32 | nvz | jkossen: as always, sevice with a smile ;) |
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| 19:53.38 | jkossen | :) |
| 19:53.40 | cheal | !tell me about illsci |
| 19:53.40 | nvz | s/sev/serv/ |
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| 19:53.49 | illsci | its not service if you dont get paid |
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| 19:54.01 | abrotman | yes iti s |
| 19:54.02 | nvz | yo, cut the shit out with the !tell me, /msg dpkg ffs |
| 19:54.02 | illsci | and its not helpful |
| 19:54.05 | asuffield | dpkg: msg the bots |
| 19:54.05 | dpkg | Oi, asuffield, message the bots, so you don't spam the channel. /msg apt foo. *snarl* Thankyou |
| 19:54.10 | cheal | hah, so it's not just a bad day for him |
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| 19:54.27 | illsci | !tell me abou nvz |
| 19:54.33 | illsci | !tell me about nvz |
| 19:54.37 | abrotman | ffs ... leave the damn bot alone |
| 19:54.37 | jkossen | !shut illsci the fuck up |
| 19:54.45 | nvz | I made that factoid :) |
| 19:54.51 | mage | ~stop |
| 19:54.56 | apt | PLEASE STOP! |
| 19:54.58 | illsci | !shut jkossen the fuck up |
| 19:54.58 | nvz | sussudio appended it |
| 19:54.58 | illsci | hehehe |
| 19:55.01 | abrotman | illsci: STOP with the bot |
| 19:55.01 | illsci | sorry |
| 19:55.07 | illsci | !stop with the bot |
| 19:55.13 | illsci | done! |
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| 19:55.26 | abrotman | thank you |
| 19:55.32 | asuffield | don't do it again |
| 19:55.50 | nvz | you can earn yourself a +b % real quick |
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| 19:56.06 | illsci | and i would lose your expert no make as root comments |
| 19:56.17 | nvz | na, you could still get them |
| 19:56.17 | illsci | oh the horror |
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| 19:56.28 | nvz | I just wouldnt have to hear your lip |
| 19:56.42 | asuffield | enough already |
| 19:56.44 | illsci | you mean read |
| 19:56.45 | abrotman | bah .. both of you .. to your corners |
| 19:56.59 | illsci | this isnt real life, take a step away from the irc session and make a friend |
| 19:57.14 | briankeys | ifconfig eth8 |
| 19:57.16 | abrotman | act like adults .. or at least like sgiegerbot |
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| 19:57.20 | nvz | heh |
| 19:57.21 | briankeys | errr |
| 19:57.28 | asuffield | briankeys: you missed. and you have too many ethernet interfaces. |
| 19:57.32 | caronte | abrotman, the first HD i burned blinked.... |
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| 19:57.41 | briankeys | assufled yes I did ;) |
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| 19:57.49 | abrotman | caronte: so it's still working but grub got messed ? |
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| 19:58.19 | caronte | abrotman, probably, now i am reinstalling the whole system |
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| 19:58.27 | abrotman | caronte: oh .. that should be fun :) |
| 19:58.29 | illsci | !tell me about illsci |
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| 19:58.34 | Latis | which is the default sshd installed by debian in "webserver install"? |
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| 19:58.40 | illsci | !kp |
| 19:58.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 19:58.47 | Silicon | anyone use a megaraid 150-6 card with debian sarge? |
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| 19:58.59 | caronte | abrotman, do u think is possible to burn HD with a subwoofer ...? |
| 19:59.09 | nvz | caronte: sure, why not |
| 19:59.23 | nvz | caronte: not burn per-se but you can damage the data |
| 19:59.32 | asuffield | ...you what? |
| 19:59.39 | nvz | caronte: especially if its not properly sheilded |
| 19:59.42 | caronte | nvz, like is it common...? |
| 20:00.02 | asuffield | putting a drive next to speakers? no, it's not |
| 20:00.05 | nvz | caronte: common? not among people smart enough to keep unsheilded magnets away from magnetic storage. |
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| 20:00.25 | abrotman | caronte: with no box .. maybe |
| 20:00.33 | gogo3or | hello I have problem with CVS when I'm trying to login i see CVSROOT: no such repository but the path is right, thanks for advice |
| 20:00.40 | nvz | reminds me of that story the votech teacher used to tell about the kid who stuck his 5 1/4" floppy to the fridge with a magnet... |
| 20:00.40 | caronte | nvz, i held the sub over the case... |
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| 20:01.08 | abrotman | asuffield: no sheilding? |
| 20:01.17 | fhffhqvb | what? |
| 20:01.27 | nvz | fhffhqvb: nobody hit your buzzer :P |
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| 20:01.39 | nvz | well maybe I did. |
| 20:01.50 | asuffield | caronte: why? wouldn't it have been simpler to bash it with a rock? |
| 20:01.51 | caronte | abrotman, well the case was closed... |
| 20:02.01 | abrotman | caronte: i meant the speaker :) |
| 20:02.29 | caronte | abrotman, well yeah, the sub case |
| 20:02.38 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:02.40 | abrotman | carry on |
| 20:02.44 | nvz | a degauss coil works pretty good too. |
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| 20:03.08 | abrotman | i got to use an electro magnet one day at uni on a box of tapes |
| 20:03.14 | EmleyMoor | Jabber playing up again for me - SMS is back but I've now lost AIM and Yahoo! |
| 20:03.14 | abrotman | err .. reels .. not cassettes |
| 20:03.18 | asuffield | and don't wave heavy magnets at delicate electronics in future |
| 20:03.27 | yarddog | i am using xfree 4.3 on debian sarge with an ati 9600 card capable of tv and dual monitors, how can i set these up? is there a tool or a driver? i tried the ati driver and it borked my X. Any ideas? |
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| 20:03.30 | mhall | How does one decompress a FLAC file into CD audio form for use in something like K3b? |
| 20:03.44 | abrotman | yarddog: #ati |
| 20:03.49 | EmleyMoor | I once made my inkjet printer go wrong - by moving a speaker near it |
| 20:04.01 | nvz | isnt any standard player doing just that.. you know like when it decodes it so you can hear it.. |
| 20:04.03 | paulswm | You can't damage a HD with a magent unless you put like 10,000 Gauss directly on top of it and that might not even do it |
| 20:04.09 | briankeys | Hmm.. I'm using a default multipath route, and performing NAT on my collection of WAN interfaces. I need to make sure packets destined for port 5190 only go out eth4. What would be some ways I could achieve this? |
| 20:04.17 | asuffield | mhall: with flac, presumably |
| 20:04.19 | caronte | abrotman, k, now grub booted... |
| 20:04.25 | abrotman | caronte: good |
| 20:04.29 | abrotman | paulswm: would you bet your data on that? |
| 20:04.34 | paulswm | Sure |
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| 20:04.45 | paulswm | Science > guessing |
| 20:04.59 | abrotman | paulswm: so you've done thorough testing on this ? |
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| 20:05.22 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: i agree .. jabber is all wonky |
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| 20:06.31 | paulswm | abrotman: No, but you need a very strong field to have any effect on a HD platter due to its coating's high magnetic coercitivy |
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| 20:06.48 | Py | Is there some kind of irewalling/port blocking running on a "stock" sarge? |
| 20:06.51 | abrotman | paulswm: i'm not sure i agree .. but i'm not willing to try my data on it |
| 20:06.56 | abrotman | Py: no |
| 20:06.58 | mhall | I figured as much as to use flac. But it gets a bit tricky because I wasn't sure how to go about making the raw track available for a CD burn. |
| 20:06.58 | nvz | heh, illsci /msg me to tell me "your such a fucking queer kthx" |
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| 20:07.05 | paulswm | abrotman: You need at least a few thousand Gauss |
| 20:07.16 | abrotman | paulswm: let's try with your data! |
| 20:07.23 | asuffield | mhall: ah, now that's a different question :P |
| 20:07.49 | mhall | asuffield: I thought I asked the right one. |
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| 20:08.05 | mhall | asuffield: But I'm known for phrasing initial questions in a crackbrained fashion. |
| 20:08.09 | thingfish | heh the 'kthx' was a nice touch. |
| 20:08.17 | nvz | I havent called anyone queer since like gradeschool when that kind of thing was understandable due to immaturaty and lack of a proper vocaulary |
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| 20:08.21 | caronte | abrotman, k, how do u tickle a box during the sarge installation....? |
| 20:08.27 | thingfish | yeah |
| 20:08.30 | lancelot24 | good evening to everyone! |
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| 20:08.34 | paulswm | abrotman: Pointless arguing, you evidently don't believe anything I'm saying |
| 20:08.37 | abrotman | caronte: tickel? |
| 20:08.39 | abrotman | tickle |
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| 20:08.47 | thingfish | well, I call my friends queer all the time, because, well, they're queer. |
| 20:08.49 | tonsofpcs | hi |
| 20:08.56 | abrotman | paulswm: nope .. magnetism is a science where i have to see to believe :) |
| 20:08.57 | lancelot24 | is there anyone that could help me? |
| 20:09.00 | caronte | abrotman, yeah, tickel |
| 20:09.07 | abrotman | caronte: to slow it down? |
| 20:09.08 | nvz | of course I knew for sure he was an idiot from the bot bashing, saying IRC isnt real, and that nvz doesnt have any friends. |
| 20:09.14 | tonsofpcs | anyone know what "Swapping to PALcode at 0x0 ..." means with MILO on an EB164 with ARC? |
| 20:09.15 | caronte | abrotman, im sorry for my bad english |
| 20:09.18 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:09.20 | fhffhqvb | lancelot24: third street on the left, right on the roundabout, next to the mcdonalds. |
| 20:09.23 | abrotman | nvz: the girl across the street doesn't count |
| 20:09.27 | abrotman | caronte: to slow it down? |
| 20:09.33 | lancelot24 | magnetism is a PART, little, of science! |
| 20:09.51 | caronte | abrotman, no, like to put a check mark |
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| 20:09.53 | nvz | abrotman: heh, she's not a friend she's just a fan. |
| 20:09.57 | fbsscarel | exit |
| 20:10.05 | abrotman | caronte: the space bar ? |
| 20:10.06 | fhffhqvb | nvz: with cold cathodes? |
| 20:10.10 | asuffield | nvz: the term is 'fluffer' |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 20:10.22 | abrotman | asuffield: we have laws in this country |
| 20:10.31 | brett | does anybody know anything about portmapper |
| 20:10.32 | brett | ? |
| 20:10.32 | fhffhqvb | abrotman: no you don't |
| 20:10.40 | asuffield | abrotman: yeah, like "all hos must be paid" |
| 20:10.48 | abrotman | asuffield: or be interns! |
| 20:10.52 | lancelot24 | so what |
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| 20:11.03 | lancelot24 | i'm in trouble wi my soundcard |
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| 20:11.14 | lancelot24 | with :-) |
| 20:11.15 | fhffhqvb | lancelot24: did you cheat on it? |
| 20:11.17 | nvz | all I had to do was act like I can play the guitar.. I didnt have to pay |
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| 20:11.36 | lancelot24 | i've an intel i810 |
| 20:11.37 | nvz | right now I broke another string and dont feel like going to the music store |
| 20:11.43 | caronte | abrotman, k, theres something like this.... [] and a square in the middle and with the arrow keys you can move the square to another [] below it... |
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| 20:11.49 | fhffhqvb | lancelot24: yes, that's a problem. |
| 20:12.00 | lancelot24 | and with all other things setted (aumix) |
| 20:12.05 | abrotman | caronte: space bar |
| 20:12.08 | lancelot24 | it sounds bad |
| 20:12.11 | paulswm | abrotman: Found a reference to magnetism and HDs: http://www.dansdata.com/gz009.htm |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | caronte: tab key .. and space bar |
| 20:12.17 | lancelot24 | with many buzzings |
| 20:12.28 | caronte | abrotman, f### |
| 20:12.33 | `Ku | Hi |
| 20:12.36 | `Ku | This is my laptop http://meltin.net/hacks/linux/t43.html |
| 20:12.39 | theD3viL | Why i cant start program with arstdsp ? |
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| 20:12.46 | `Ku | But no drivers are bulit into it what is wrong? |
| 20:12.55 | lancelot24 | i've buyed new speakers with sub woofer just today |
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| 20:13.24 | abrotman | caronte: ? |
| 20:13.25 | lancelot24 | and while windows (I'm sorry) can play them good |
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| 20:13.39 | lancelot24 | my debian distro cannot |
| 20:13.53 | lancelot24 | anyone could explain me why? |
| 20:14.02 | abrotman | paulswm: and what size si the magnet in a 6" speaker? |
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| 20:14.11 | nvz | I got one of them huge old tube radios that look like a big coffee table or something and you lift up the top and there's a radio and 8-track and shit inside.. I need to go pick it up and bring it down here.. that thing makes better sound that anything you can buy today |
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| 20:14.53 | paulswm | abrotman: My guess is < 2000 gauss |
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| 20:15.13 | nvz | needs some work, but I've used it to DJ our parties several times.. the inputs and controls all need cleaned. well the inputs just need grinded or something they got a little rust on them |
| 20:15.15 | abrotman | paulswm: so a subwoofer .. >5k ? |
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| 20:15.22 | mhall | nvz: haha |
| 20:15.27 | paulswm | I doubt it very much |
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| 20:15.39 | abrotman | paulswm: let's fine a website! |
| 20:15.43 | abrotman | find |
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| 20:15.51 | abrotman | damn keys are in stupid places |
| 20:15.56 | paulswm | No, fine, there's money in that! |
| 20:16.02 | Overfiend | Bah, Yoe fibs. I do too frequent this channel. Nearly continuously for the past few months. |
| 20:16.11 | lancelot24 | ?!??!anyone reading me?!? |
| 20:16.20 | nvz | its real nice has huge speakers insulated into their own compartments and it even has some kind of built in transmitter for wireless speakers.. but I dont have those. |
| 20:16.24 | asuffield | not after all that punctuation we aren't |
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| 20:16.27 | caronte | abrotman, btw there must be some problem with my hardware, cause for ex before i used mandriva and every once in a while it gave me the same booting problem, no matter if i used grub or lilo... |
| 20:16.28 | abrotman | Overfiend: engrish? |
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| 20:16.40 | abrotman | caronte: that's not good |
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| 20:17.18 | lancelot24 | hallo?!??!? |
| 20:17.28 | Ronin | yes we see you lancelot24 |
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| 20:17.33 | Overfiend | abrotman: eh? |
| 20:17.40 | lancelot24 | thanks Ronin |
| 20:17.45 | Gathond | lancelot24: yes I've seen you, NO I dont have a solution |
| 20:17.49 | abrotman | Yoe fibs? |
| 20:17.55 | lancelot24 | did you read my question? |
| 20:17.56 | caronte | abrotman, it thought there was some problem with mndriva not bein stable, but now i see i get the same problem with debian... |
| 20:17.59 | nvz | yinzerisms |
| 20:18.04 | lancelot24 | thank you Gathond |
| 20:18.08 | Schiz0 | I'm trying to make some software, I keep getting the error 'parse.c:31:24: error: pci/header.h: No such file or directory' - What package do I have to isntall to get that file? |
| 20:18.16 | abrotman | caronte: maybe you should try a burnin .. could fry your machine in 10 seconds though |
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| 20:18.20 | brett | Where is the lo network device defined by default? |
| 20:18.21 | SpamHog | lancelot24: what audio card are you using? |
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| 20:18.43 | Gathond | lancelot24: however if every time someone said something all 400+ others said I dont know, nothing productive would ever happen :) |
| 20:18.45 | lancelot24 | Spam an Intel i810 |
| 20:18.46 | caronte | abrotman, whats that |
| 20:18.57 | abrotman | caronte: a burn-in test |
| 20:19.14 | caronte | abrotman, never did that |
| 20:19.31 | abrotman | caronte: uhm .. try the Ulimate Boot CD .. it has some tools for that |
| 20:19.32 | asuffield | Schiz0: doesn't sound like a filename anything should be installing. whatever you're compiling is probably broken |
| 20:19.34 | nvz | abrotman: actually that doesnt make any sense cause as far as I know fibs is Fucking Itchy Balls Syndrome. |
| 20:19.36 | nono31 | what tools do I use to manage partitions in linux? |
| 20:19.39 | lancelot24 | Spam an I ntel i810 |
| 20:19.41 | asmodaiii | youhou folks :) |
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| 20:19.46 | asmodaiii | what's up tonight? |
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| 20:19.52 | lancelot24 | SpamHog an Intel i810 |
| 20:20.02 | steelhoof | abrotman has fibs! |
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| 20:20.11 | asmodaiii | nono31: fdisk? |
| 20:20.15 | abrotman | don't tell me .. tell Overfiend .. i'm not sure what fibs are yet |
| 20:20.16 | Schiz0 | asuffield- It worked before my system crashed, I need a package that provides that file..isn't it some type of kernel source thingy? or gcc lib or something? |
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| 20:20.36 | asuffield | Schiz0: kernel headers all begin with linux/ or asm/ |
| 20:20.40 | nono31 | asmodaiii: oops.. thx |
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| 20:20.44 | asuffield | Schiz0: and I know offhand it's not gcc |
| 20:20.59 | SpamHog | lancelot24: i810? I thought that was a mobo chipset. Please open a private chat to me while I look it up. |
| 20:20.59 | Overfiend | abrotman: "to fib" is a euphemism for "to lie" |
| 20:21.05 | abrotman | i know what that is |
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| 20:21.08 | Overfiend | abrotman: usually denotes an untruth of little consequence |
| 20:21.11 | Overfiend | so what makes it Engrish? |
| 20:21.23 | abrotman | what's a Yoe Fibs ? |
| 20:21.28 | Overfiend | Yoe is a nick. |
| 20:21.33 | Overfiend | He was in here earlier. |
| 20:21.36 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 20:21.37 | asuffield | yoe is a mongrel |
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| 20:21.39 | Overfiend | Wouter Verhelst. |
| 20:21.40 | paulswm | It's difficult to tell when abrotman's acting stupid or when he really is :P |
| 20:21.40 | nvz | abrotman: actually according to urban dictionary "Yoe Fibs" translates to "A really fat kid who has likes anime has fucking itchy balls syndrome" |
| 20:21.46 | paulswm | abrotman: j/k |
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| 20:22.02 | nvz | but what the hell does UD know |
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| 20:23.17 | SpamHog | lancelot24: accept chat!!!! |
| 20:24.21 | nvz | dpkg, private |
| 20:24.21 | dpkg | NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd. |
| 20:24.32 | lancelot24 | SpamHog |
| 20:24.47 | lancelot24 | i'm trying to accept but it does not run! |
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| 20:25.17 | nvz | why the hell do people need to DCC anyhow when you can bounce messages off the server |
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| 20:25.22 | SpamHog | OK, let's see it here as far as I can. Open another window in #flood. |
| 20:25.28 | caronte | abrotman, k, now i checked the boxes... before i had not selected any package... |
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| 20:25.36 | abrotman | caronte: good |
| 20:25.37 | bujin | have anybody configured an atheros wireless card? |
| 20:25.46 | Betelgeuse | Any people involved with DevJam available? |
| 20:25.55 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 20:25.55 | dpkg | i heard madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 20:26.01 | SpamHog | nzv: meaning? |
| 20:26.07 | SpamHog | me: removes ring from nose |
| 20:26.08 | Seb | hi everybody |
| 20:26.16 | nvz | bujin: do you have a question that may get you the information you seek? instead of a usage poll of more than 400 people? |
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| 20:26.20 | Seb | what's the simplest way for me to get WINS name resolution ? |
| 20:26.31 | caronte | abrotman, so, whats a burn-in test...? |
| 20:26.51 | Seb | i know the adress of my wins server, but how do I make my Debian box magically try to use that (after other resolving methods have failed, of course) |
| 20:26.53 | abrotman | caronte: something that beats your system up |
| 20:26.59 | lancelot24 | #flood |
| 20:27.12 | rleigh | Seb: Use libnss_wins, and add wins to nsswitch.conf. |
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| 20:27.30 | bujin | mvz oks ill do it better can anybody help me to configure my nic? |
| 20:27.32 | SpamHog | lancelot24: /join #flood |
| 20:27.34 | js_ | if i got a first partition on a drive, and then a lot of free space, is it safe to create a partition of that free space to use? |
| 20:27.36 | nvz | SpamHog: a chat is a Direct connection to a peer requires opening another port and establishing a separate connection directly to the 2nd party, when you could just /msg and the server will send the messages through the existing connection which is more likely to work when people are firewalled |
| 20:27.37 | caronte | abrotman, wouldnt that screw it up even more...? |
| 20:27.50 | myren | Arg. Opera refuses to take up less than 100 mb of DATA in physical mem |
| 20:27.56 | abrotman | caronte: it could destroy it :) |
| 20:28.01 | myren | what a pain in the buttocks. 256mb ram and its all at opera |
| 20:28.13 | Seb | rleigh: man nsswitch.conf doesn't mention any wins realted stuff, can you point me at some doc ? |
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| 20:28.31 | lancelot24 | SpamHog I'm in #flood! |
| 20:28.33 | caronte | abrotman, never suggest me this crap, cause im tepted to try everything |
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| 20:28.37 | nvz | bujin: abrotman wanted you to see the madwifi factoid you obviously missed it /msg dpkg madwifi |
| 20:28.38 | tonsof286 | so does anyone know why milo stops there |
| 20:28.41 | tonsof286 | ? |
| 20:28.50 | Seb | bujin: still no good. Describe how you failed so far, and what doesn't work as planned. |
| 20:29.02 | abrotman | caronte: i did it once to test a box .. and that was the end of it ... |
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| 20:29.11 | Seb | js_: yes |
| 20:29.12 | abrotman | caronte: took .. about 15 seconds ... and it was dead |
| 20:29.20 | caronte | abrotman, lol |
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| 20:30.12 | abrotman | caronte: the box was flaky when i started .. so i didn't cry |
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| 20:30.39 | caronte | abrotman, oh, btw, i also checked the box that sayd desktop enviroment, does that mean he's gonna do x for me....? |
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| 20:30.48 | rleigh | Seb: Install the "winbind" package. If you then add wins after dns on the host: line in /etc/nsswitch.conf, it should just work. |
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| 20:31.22 | abrotman | caronte: it should |
| 20:31.23 | Seb | rleigh: ah k |
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| 20:31.51 | caronte | abrotman, and, what else, even some wm ....? |
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| 20:32.01 | abrotman | caronte: i think it installs KDE .. not sure |
| 20:32.09 | abrotman | either that or gnome |
| 20:32.24 | caronte | abrotman, i think gnome |
| 20:32.30 | abrotman | you'll find tou |
| 20:32.32 | abrotman | find otu |
| 20:32.36 | abrotman | bahf .. screw it |
| 20:32.44 | caronte | lol |
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| 20:33.08 | caronte | abrotman, what, xfree or xork ...? |
| 20:33.19 | caronte | *xorg |
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| 20:33.45 | abrotman | caronte: xfree is on sarge |
| 20:33.57 | Seb | rleigh: hmm, it still doesn't resolve WINS names; where do I specify my WINS servers ? :\ |
| 20:34.23 | caronte | abrotman, how do u change desktop in the konsolle |
| 20:34.23 | asuffield | Seb: /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 20:34.32 | abrotman | say what? |
| 20:34.34 | js_ | is there any way i can find out if my cpu is hyperthreading without installing an SMP kernel? |
| 20:34.36 | Seb | oh I see |
| 20:34.38 | Seb | asuffield: thanks |
| 20:34.43 | abrotman | js_: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:34.50 | abrotman | i think it will tell you |
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| 20:35.18 | caronte | abrotman, from desk1 to 2 ecc.. |
| 20:35.20 | Seb | so running winbind without samba is useless ? |
| 20:35.31 | asuffield | Seb: no, but it can't do very much |
| 20:35.35 | abrotman | Seb: not totally .. |
| 20:35.48 | abrotman | caronte: oh .. ctrl-alt-f# |
| 20:35.49 | rleigh | Seb: Good question :) You might need to set up Samba as a proxy WINS server, but in my experience, I haven't had to. The Samba docs explain how to set it up. |
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| 20:35.55 | Seb | asuffield: roger. Then, I will have to have the samaba server running at all times, if I want WINS name resolution from gethostbyname() ? |
| 20:36.15 | asuffield | Seb: no, wins resolution is one of the handful of things that work without smbd or nmbd running |
| 20:36.17 | Seb | or is the mere presence of a correct /etc/samba/smb.conf enough ? |
| 20:36.18 | elements | How can I get on the CC-list of a specific bug, if I didnt report it myself? |
| 20:36.41 | asuffield | Seb: smb.conf is the config file for all three daemons, it comes from samba-common |
| 20:36.45 | Seb | asuffield: all right, thx |
| 20:36.46 | Quinn_Storm | elements: I think you can "watch this bug" or something like that |
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| 20:36.58 | Seb | asuffield, abrotman, rleigh : thanks yall |
| 20:37.02 | elements | Quinn_Storm: In the email, on a line by itself? |
| 20:37.03 | rleigh | Seb: man winbindd |
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| 20:37.12 | Quinn_Storm | elements: oh I meant from the bugzilla site |
| 20:37.21 | elements | Quinn_Storm: I meant bugs.debian.org |
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| 20:37.29 | Quinn_Storm | elements: I don't know anything about bdo |
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| 20:37.39 | elements | Its not bugzilla, thats for sure. :) |
| 20:37.45 | caronte | abrotman, what shoud i type to install irssi ...? |
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| 20:37.51 | elements | !bugs.debian.org |
| 20:37.57 | abrotman | caronte: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 20:38.03 | abrotman | !tell caronte about search |
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| 20:41.34 | saloxin | heh, my mozilla-firefox is crashing under a new xorg, but then again it has 383 bugs in bts, so it should be covered |
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| 20:42.23 | caronte | abrotman, i got an error while tring to install irssi... |
| 20:42.30 | abrotman | and it is ? |
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| 20:44.10 | caronte | abrotman, E:Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporairly unavailble) |
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| 20:44.23 | caronte | abrotman, and also |
| 20:44.39 | MustangMatt | !find package source of a file |
| 20:44.42 | abrotman | caronte: you have to be root |
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| 20:44.52 | caronte | abrotman, i was |
| 20:44.53 | dob2 | hi |
| 20:44.57 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'package source of a file' returned no results. |
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| 20:45.01 | abrotman | !tell MustangMatt about search |
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| 20:45.09 | abrotman | caronte: then someone else is too |
| 20:45.17 | MustangMatt | Thank you sir. That's the one. |
| 20:45.29 | caronte | abrotman, and so...? |
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| 20:46.01 | dob2 | to have the japanese support on firefox what i have to install? japanese font ? |
| 20:46.11 | abrotman | caronte: remove the lock file |
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| 20:48.51 | Lorvija | rleigh: do you happen to be still here? (: |
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| 20:49.10 | rleigh | Lorvija: Yes. |
| 20:49.12 | e1vis | hello |
| 20:49.16 | Bac9 | just great, x-org transition breaks discover2 :-( |
| 20:49.25 | Bac9 | so much for transitioning to x-org |
| 20:49.28 | Lorvija | rleigh i checked those smart tests.. all discs completed without errors.. |
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| 20:50.10 | Lorvija | rleigh do you have some more ideas what i should check? (: |
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| 20:51.50 | sleon|tuX | +!find cupsaddsmb |
| 20:52.18 | paulswm | Lorvija: Would you mind very much restating your problem? |
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| 20:52.36 | Lorvija | paulswm okay |
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| 20:52.47 | sleon|tuX | !+find cupsaddsmb |
| 20:52.48 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:52.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cupsaddsmb' (2): (/usr/sbin/cupsaddsmb) in net/cupsys-client ;; (/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeprint/html/{cupsaddsmb2_8cpp-source.html|cupsaddsmb2_8h-source.html}) in doc/kdelibs4-doc. |
| 20:53.17 | deni | Yess! After a Knoppix cheating I "found" out how to configure xserver. Now my only problem is with the sound card. Knoppix recognized it, but I don't know hot to set it up under a "normal" Debian. Could someone help me? |
| 20:53.28 | paulswm | Lorvija: I'm not sure if I can help, but maybe, you never know |
| 20:53.49 | rleigh | Lorvija: I once had a problem with a md RAID array like yours. I was using a Promise PCI IDE controller, and I got all sorts of weird stuff like this until I changed PCI slots. Check your logs for any IDE errors. A hard disc should never cause problems like this. I would also suggest upgrading to linux 2.6.13 in case it's a kernel bug. |
| 20:53.50 | Lorvija | so I was uploading some photos to my server, using ext3 file sys and software raid.. suddenly my ftp client froze, i tried to list that same directory with "dir" "ls -al" through samba etc.. everything just froze when i tried to list the directory or do something to it... http://pastebin.com/357265 that was in syslog |
| 20:53.57 | Bac9 | so basically what now, anyone who upgrades to x-org will not have hardware auto-discovery since discover is broken by x-org? |
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| 20:54.22 | Lorvija | rleigh hmm i do have a cheap pci raid controller.. |
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| 20:55.36 | caronte | abrotman, k, now i dint get that error that locked my system before, and its unpacking a sht load of stuff |
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| 20:56.01 | paulswm | Lorvija: I have seen an "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference" myslef. I had a HD failing. |
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| 20:56.33 | Lorvija | paulswm hmm, well that might be.. but i just did SMART tests and all came back positive.. no errors |
| 20:56.51 | Lorvija | + my comp is about a week old =) |
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| 20:57.07 | Lorvija | rleigh okay i'll try that kernel updating if it works (: |
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| 20:57.21 | paulswm | Lorvija: Then it might be a memory problem, but I would have expected a segfault in that case |
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| 20:57.36 | Lorvija | paulswm well i tried memtest and it gave me segfault |
| 20:57.58 | paulswm | Lorvija: I had a HD on a Dell Inspiron 100 which lasted about 50 hours :) |
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| 20:58.15 | Lorvija | paulswm yep, i know.. they can fail in hours =) |
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| 20:58.45 | paulswm | Lorvija: Then you have a memory problem, it would seem. |
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| 20:59.03 | deal | buenas noches |
| 20:59.11 | Lorvija | paulswm hmm okay, i'll try that memtest bootdisk and see if it finds errors.. |
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| 20:59.41 | Lorvija | i'll let ya know what happens (: |
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| 20:59.47 | Lorvija | brb |
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| 21:00.06 | paulswm | Lorvija: When I had a memory error, I locked parts of memory with memtest and ran kernel builds to isolate the memory board |
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| 21:00.30 | Lorvija | paulswm hmm that goes over my knowledge =) |
| 21:00.43 | abrotman | caronte: yay |
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| 21:00.48 | Lorvija | well anyways, i'll try that memtest and come back.. got only one monitor :/ |
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| 21:01.17 | deal | good night to everybody |
| 21:01.26 | `Ku | This is my laptop http://meltin.net/hacks/linux/t43.html |
| 21:01.27 | `Ku | But no drivers are bulit into it what is wrong? |
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| 21:02.01 | deal | how can I format a second hard disk ? |
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| 21:02.18 | m4csim | hi |
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| 21:02.30 | paulswm | Lorvija: Memtest is not perfect, it isn't very random, sometimes big compiles exercise memory better, here's a link which I've found educational: http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 21:02.34 | m4csim | anyone know how I extract audio part from an avi file ? |
| 21:02.37 | deal | with the command mke2fs -j ? |
| 21:03.03 | m4csim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:03.30 | deal | I dont now, try to search in sourceforge.net |
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| 21:04.16 | deal | how can I format a second hard disk ? whith the command mke2fs -j ... |
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| 21:05.06 | jclinton | Can someone tell me if this page /really/ means that XOrg is hitting testing today? http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xorg-x11 |
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| 21:05.29 | streuner | jclinton: today |
| 21:05.51 | jclinton | does that mean KDE 3.4 too? |
| 21:06.11 | abrotman | !katie |
| 21:06.11 | dpkg | it has been said that katie is who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7 |
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| 21:06.29 | streuner | jclinton: KDE depends on a lot of packages... |
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| 21:06.53 | jclinton | ok, it just seemed like xorg was the big hang up from the 3.4 dependacy tree |
| 21:07.01 | jclinton | i'm happy that xorg is finally in, though |
| 21:07.01 | kaiowa | hi, where should i make a procmail file configure a autorresponder, in /etc or in the user home???? |
| 21:07.19 | jclinton | thanks streuner |
| 21:07.36 | abrotman | jclinton: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:07.40 | paulswm | Lorvija: The more I think about it, the more I remember - I'm pretty sure I had that null pointer error when I had a memory problem, not a dying HD |
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| 21:12.25 | nvz | abrotman: no katie, is katies-world.com |
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| 21:12.38 | abrotman | nvz: is that the girl across the street? |
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| 21:13.16 | nvz | abrotman: no Katie is a model.. she's been doing it like 6 years or so now |
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| 21:13.24 | paulswm | Yay, caphuso is here |
| 21:13.33 | nvz | abrotman: she's a lot older than katie across the street |
| 21:13.49 | abrotman | nvz: good to know .. now go to primanti bros! |
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| 21:14.14 | caronte | abrotman, now the system works, but x doesnt.... |
| 21:14.27 | nvz | abrotman: I say she's got scary looking eyes but peterS didnt seem to think so |
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| 21:15.11 | nvz | peterS: someone brought it up again |
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| 21:15.28 | nvz | there are way too many Katies |
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| 21:15.47 | abrotman | caronte: you installed x-window-system ? |
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| 21:15.57 | nvz | my cousin Katie lives like two houses down, then there is Katie that lives across the street.. it gets confusing |
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| 21:16.15 | abrotman | nvz: are they all cute? |
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| 21:16.30 | caronte | abrotman, when i rebooted it sayd that it wasnt able to start x |
| 21:16.43 | abrotman | caronte: and you of course checked the lgos ? |
| 21:16.44 | abrotman | logs |
| 21:16.50 | peterS | nvz: I dunno about that, I don't think I've ever met a katie I didn't like. so given that, I don't think there are too many |
| 21:16.51 | nvz | abrotman: my cousin isnt very cute IMO which is mean.. but oh well its honest. |
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| 21:17.37 | caronte | abrotman, it just sayd that it might have not been configured correctly... |
| 21:17.39 | Dantix | when I trying to compile a drbd module make gives me the following error and aborts http://pastebin.com/357393, what I'm doin wrong |
| 21:17.44 | dna_ | what is a good program that can let you connect aim or any client to irc and use it inside irc |
| 21:17.44 | abrotman | nvz: how nice of you to say ... i'll let your cousin know |
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| 21:17.46 | nvz | well yeah there arent too many really, its just that they could at least go by Kate, Cait, Katy.. something to diversify a little |
| 21:17.47 | bobubu3 | good hack by |
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| 21:17.55 | abrotman | caronte: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 21:18.10 | nvz | abrotman: well she's like 300lbs now so it doesnt help much either |
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| 21:18.53 | thingfish | dna_: gaim |
| 21:19.10 | abrotman | nvz: nice to know you're checking out the family |
| 21:19.21 | nvz | abrotman: you cant miss her. |
| 21:19.30 | peterS | abrotman: it's kind of hard *not* to notice that someone is circa 300 pounds |
| 21:19.38 | nvz | heh |
| 21:19.50 | nvz | at least someone knows what I am talking about |
| 21:19.58 | peterS | well, the accuracy of the estimate is a matter of attention, but one can at least be within an order of magnitude, so to speak |
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| 21:20.07 | phogg | abrotman: remember: It's no immoral until the moment of conception. |
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| 21:20.22 | abrotman | peterS: assuming your sight is good |
| 21:20.38 | abrotman | nvz: just she get two bar stools? |
| 21:20.39 | nvz | my sight isnt that good really |
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| 21:21.02 | nvz | I had glasses, but I broke one pair and lost the others |
| 21:21.05 | peterS | abrotman: I dunno how bad your sight is, but if you aren't sure you'd notice that someone you know is in the 300 pound range, it must be pretty awful |
| 21:21.07 | jmg | guys what is the command to monitor a make install and add all the files it installs to dpkg so they can be easily removed? |
| 21:21.16 | caronte | abrotman, what do u mean by check....? |
| 21:21.17 | abrotman | peterS: hey .. they might be 280! |
| 21:21.26 | jmg | cachedinstall or something? |
| 21:21.26 | abrotman | caronte: view the file ... |
| 21:21.28 | peterS | jmg: the usual thing to do is use DESTDIR, if the upstream makefile supports it |
| 21:21.49 | peterS | abrotman: note that 300 only has one significant figure |
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| 21:22.02 | abrotman | Ok .. who else is excited about Cream coming to NYC ? |
| 21:22.02 | peterS | abrotman: if I'd said 310, you might have a point |
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| 21:22.11 | funkyHat | what is the name of the base xfce4 package in debian? xfce4 isn't showing up in aptitude :S |
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| 21:22.16 | Yulia | hi.... |
| 21:22.20 | abrotman | funkyHat: apt-cache search xfce |
| 21:22.23 | nvz | I guess since my cousin is 22 and about 300lbs and the other Katie is like 13 and about 70lbs I can just call them Big Katie and Little Katie :P |
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| 21:22.45 | abrotman | nvz: holy crap .. get that girl on a diet .. she's too young |
| 21:22.47 | peterS | nvz: that is slightly catty |
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| 21:23.26 | nvz | she just sits around watching Buffy The Vampire Slayer and ordering pizza |
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| 21:23.53 | nvz | her sister used to be the fat one, they traded off.. her sister lost it and she gained it |
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| 21:24.36 | Yulia | how can i mont a smbfs vfat unit in a script for not asks for a password which does not need. (mount -t smbfs -o username=yulia //192.168.1.2/Escritorio /mnt/ficheros_makina/escritorio |
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| 21:24.37 | Yulia | ) I load it in rc5.d and wait for a password. thx u |
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| 21:25.51 | caronte | abrotman, seems to be some mouse problem, but im not sure... |
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| 21:26.09 | abrotman | caronte: what did you pick for your mouse device? |
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| 21:26.25 | nvz | I feel bad about it though. I rarely ever talk to her. Its just even when we are standing right next to each other it feels like there is a great distance between us. and its not just because she's huge either |
| 21:26.31 | caronte | abrotman, autodetect |
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| 21:26.46 | atom-z | I just upgraded my debian etch, and some things appear broken: what was eth0 is now eth1. Why has this happened and how can I fix it? (also, I get a message about rtc.ko failing to load) |
| 21:26.53 | abrotman | caronte: no .. the device .. not the protocol |
| 21:27.04 | abrotman | caronte: like /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux |
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| 21:27.33 | caronte | abrotman, oh, /dev/input/mice |
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| 21:27.41 | abrotman | caronte: and what kind of mouse is it ? |
| 21:27.46 | Jenetik | How do I convert a .wav to an .mp3 with a debian apt-get pack? |
| 21:28.08 | nvz | I didn't even go see her on her birthday and she lives a few yards away. of course she didnt come see me two weeks earlier on mine either. |
| 21:28.23 | abrotman | nvz: that's cause you don't like her |
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| 21:28.29 | abrotman | !tell Jenetik about lame |
| 21:28.30 | peterS | nvz: it's easy enough to grow weary of people who live a few yards away though |
| 21:28.36 | caronte | abrotman, the common used mouse with 2 buttons, a scroller and the port is the round on with pins |
| 21:28.42 | Jenetik | ok |
| 21:28.44 | Jenetik | I got it installed |
| 21:28.46 | Jenetik | I use audacity |
| 21:28.47 | abrotman | caronte: PS2 |
| 21:29.01 | caronte | abrotman, yes |
| 21:29.09 | abrotman | Jenetik: you have to tell audacity to use lame iirc |
| 21:29.09 | nvz | I just feel like we have nothing to talk about. Like I said it feels like she's a million miles away even when I am looking right at her |
| 21:29.12 | abrotman | caronte: which kernel? |
| 21:29.25 | Jenetik | it is asking to locate libmp3lame.so |
| 21:29.27 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 21:29.34 | Jenetik | I haven't restarted after the install |
| 21:29.40 | caronte | abrotman, how can i check...' |
| 21:29.42 | caronte | ? |
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| 21:30.09 | Jenetik | someone do a locate libmp3lame.so so I don't have to wait for updatedb to finish |
| 21:30.19 | Jenetik | so I can point audacity at the path |
| 21:30.22 | nvz | Jenetik: doesnt exist |
| 21:30.22 | peterS | Jenetik: lame doesn't ship with debian |
| 21:30.29 | Jenetik | I just installed lame |
| 21:30.35 | peterS | Jenetik: you'll have to find it from some third-party source like marillat's |
| 21:30.42 | nvz | even the marillat package I got doesnt have it, its called something different |
| 21:30.51 | nvz | I just link it to whever audacity wants it |
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| 21:31.03 | nvz | calles something like liblame0.so.1 or some shit |
| 21:31.07 | Jenetik | vt-williston-cuda1h4-79:/home/jenetik# apt-get install lame |
| 21:31.12 | Jenetik | Setting up lame (3.96.1-1) ... |
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| 21:31.12 | nvz | just dpkg -L the package name |
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| 21:31.17 | Jenetik | I think I have it |
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| 21:31.37 | abrotman | caronte: uname -a |
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| 21:31.59 | atom-z | When I upgraded etch, eth0 has changed to eth1. Why has this happened, and how can i fix it? |
| 21:32.03 | nvz | no need to use locate on a file thats in a package, thats what dpkg is for |
| 21:32.11 | Jenetik | btw fucks |
| 21:32.13 | Jenetik | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 321104 2005-03-25 15:17 /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 |
| 21:32.17 | Jenetik | just so you know |
| 21:32.22 | abrotman | nvz: will you help caronte install a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 21:32.30 | nvz | oh well I knew it wasnt called libmp3lame.so |
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| 21:32.36 | abrotman | it's time for this old man to go home :) |
| 21:32.42 | nvz | wasnt sure what it was really called |
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| 21:33.09 | caronte | abrotman, Linux Debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 |
| 21:33.10 | nvz | I was about to leave. whats so hard about apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 ? |
| 21:33.19 | abrotman | caronte: what kind of cpu? |
| 21:33.31 | abrotman | nvz: you forgot the arch :) |
| 21:33.37 | nvz | I was going to go visit everyone named Katie (j/k) |
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| 21:33.42 | caronte | abrotman, an amd athlon 2200+ |
| 21:33.49 | nvz | I think thats a metapackage |
| 21:33.54 | abrotman | caronte: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 21:33.54 | nvz | could be wrong though |
| 21:34.04 | nvz | !info kernel-image-2.6 |
| 21:34.06 | abrotman | i'll be back in a bit .. i gotta head home ... |
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| 21:34.15 | nvz | yeah must be wrong |
| 21:34.37 | nse | Hello everybody, My System Monitor is saying that 94% oh my hda1 is in use thus i have 2.0GB of free space, but while trying to extract some files to it ark says that I run out of disk space, File Roller gives me a strange error, is there anything I can do to go round this? Perhaps reorganizing the data in the HD? Which app to perform this action? |
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| 21:34.57 | Yulia | Any help? how can i mont a smbfs vfat unit in a script for not asks for a password which does not need. (mount -t smbfs -o username=yulia //192.168.1.2/Escritorio /mnt/ficheros_makina/escritorio |
| 21:35.03 | nvz | nse: how big is the partition total? |
| 21:35.20 | nse | nvz: 35.6 GB |
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| 21:35.26 | nvz | !35.6*.05 |
| 21:35.26 | dpkg | 1.78 |
| 21:35.30 | smacnay | hmmm, my testing update shows a lot of new x- packages with one being held back - x-window-system-core - I might hold off on the update. |
| 21:35.35 | nvz | nse: its ghot 5% reserved |
| 21:35.39 | nvz | for super user |
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| 21:36.18 | nvz | nse: its an option of mkfs when you create the filesystem to reserve space on the filesystem for superuser to prevent a horrible out of memory situation |
| 21:36.30 | nvz | defaults to 5% |
| 21:36.48 | nse | nvz: It would be bad if I set this value to a lower number? |
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| 21:37.08 | peterS | nse: not particularly bad. 5% is probably way too much for modern many-gigabyte filesystems |
| 21:37.16 | nvz | nse: I dont know if you can after its got data on it without making a new filesystem.. but maybe with tune2fs or something I am not sure |
| 21:37.17 | peterS | nse: you can change the number with 'tune2fs', no need to recreate it |
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| 21:37.28 | peterS | nvz: yeah, tune2fs does it |
| 21:37.32 | nvz | cool |
| 21:37.35 | Yulia | i dont know how to do for not ask for a pass! |
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| 21:37.57 | va | i have a .mailcap entry that opens html attachments via mozilla-firefox-xremote-client. But as i understand this should be some sort of special session in that it mustn't download anything from the net so as to not confirm my email address is valid. Are there any options to run in such "safe mode"? |
| 21:38.06 | nvz | Yulia: use the password option maybe, and leave it "" blank |
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| 21:38.16 | nvz | Yulia: it doesnt kill you to just press enter |
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| 21:39.25 | nse | peterS, nvz: Thanks. |
| 21:39.32 | nvz | no but seriously I am leaving.. got to get out I am getting uncomfortable sitting here :P |
| 21:39.38 | nvz | be back in a bit |
| 21:39.40 | peterS | see ya, nvz |
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| 21:40.06 | Yulia | nvz,: enter it without pass works, but it is waiting for it, and it slow very much the startup |
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| 21:40.57 | simy | whats the correct syntax to search for anything ending in ppd anywhere on the computer? |
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| 21:41.29 | peterS | simy: locate '*ppd' |
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| 21:41.30 | va | simy: find /directory -iname "*ppd" |
| 21:41.40 | simy | thanks guys |
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| 21:42.15 | LightVision | does dpkg stand for and short for "Debian Package" ? |
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| 21:42.43 | asuffield | no, it means "Debian porks kinky goats" |
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| 21:43.07 | simy | va: thanks for helping me with the correct syntax of find, and peterS thanks for te easier alternative :) |
| 21:43.12 | Yulia | nvz, Is not there any way? |
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| 21:43.20 | peterS | np |
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| 21:43.30 | rambler | How do I test my sound on a debian system? |
| 21:43.37 | rambler | The sound was working...and I rebooted and it doesn't work anymore. |
| 21:43.43 | peterS | rambler: the sound of your kernel: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 21:43.45 | m2 | rambler: locate .wav; aplay whichever you found? |
| 21:43.47 | cusco | top |
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| 21:45.00 | rambler | peterS / m2 I can't get the sound to work |
| 21:45.03 | rambler | But it was working 2 minutes ago |
| 21:45.17 | peterS | rambler: what did you do in the past 2 minutes then? |
| 21:45.28 | nse | peterS: All the data in the HD is already distributed in the best way possible in order to save space? When I was a windows user, sometimes the system asked me for using something called defrag |
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| 21:45.41 | LightVision | peterS: when does kde 3.4 come out? |
| 21:45.49 | rambler | peterS, I did apt-get -y install alsa |
| 21:45.53 | rambler | Then I rebooted. |
| 21:45.54 | peterS | nse: linux filesystems are in general a lot better than microsoft's implementation of fat, in terms of not getting fragmented |
| 21:46.05 | m2 | rambler: did you try running alsaconf again? |
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| 21:46.11 | peterS | nse: however, *any* filesystem will fragment if you fill it up to 99.9% and do lots of file writes and deletes |
| 21:46.15 | LightVision | peterS: can I change my curremt ext3 to another file system without losing data? |
| 21:46.37 | peterS | LightVision: you can downgrade it to ext2 but to convert to anything else requires backup/restore of your data somewhere |
| 21:46.40 | m2 | caronte: did you install the 2.6 kernel abrotman said? |
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| 21:47.11 | LightVision | peterS: will it make a big difference in using ext3 compared to neisfr? |
| 21:47.18 | rambler | m2: There is no alsaconf binary |
| 21:47.20 | peterS | neisfr? |
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| 21:47.29 | LightVision | peterS: yeah |
| 21:47.37 | peterS | I've never heard of neisfr |
| 21:47.40 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 21:47.40 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
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| 21:47.43 | nse | peterS: is there something I can do to get free space to my HD? |
| 21:47.45 | LightVision | peterS: is a new filesystem |
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| 21:47.51 | peterS | sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot: |
| 21:47.52 | sgeigerbot | nse: df -h |
| 21:47.53 | rambler | m2: But when I do apt-get -y install alsa...it says I have the newest version. |
| 21:47.57 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I'm impressed. |
| 21:48.00 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
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| 21:48.10 | peterS | nse: huh? short of deleting files? |
| 21:48.22 | peterS | nse: oh, to *report* free space. yeah, df. |
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| 21:48.30 | sgeigerbot | nse: you want to know how much free space you have? or to create more space? |
| 21:48.42 | m2 | rambler: it's in /usr/sbin/alsaconf, do you have alsa-utils installed? |
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| 21:48.52 | nse | sgeigerbot: I want to create more space, I'm running out of it. |
| 21:49.09 | sgeigerbot | nse: on which partition |
| 21:49.10 | sgeigerbot | ? |
| 21:49.21 | LightVision | peterS: will it make a big difference in using ext3 compared to neisfr? |
| 21:49.24 | nse | sgeigerbot: In the root partition. |
| 21:49.39 | peterS | LightVision: I told you. I. have. never. heard. of. neisfr. |
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| 21:49.51 | LightVision | peterS: will it make a big difference in using ext3 compared to Reiser? |
| 21:50.11 | peterS | LightVision: will what make a big difference? just using the filesystems? |
| 21:50.22 | LightVision | peterS: speed |
| 21:50.31 | sgeigerbot | nse: just a minute. |
| 21:50.36 | peterS | LightVision: reiserfs is faster and has the added advantage of testing your backup strategy more often, since you'll need it more |
| 21:50.48 | sgeigerbot | nse: do you have KDE on that machine? |
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| 21:51.21 | damog | What could I use to record voice and sounds? |
| 21:51.22 | LightVision | peterS: ok thanks |
| 21:51.25 | sgeigerbot | nse: Is /var on the same partition as / ? |
| 21:51.32 | damog | Excluding any kstuff :) |
| 21:51.44 | LightVision | peterS: but once installed Debian, I cant change from ext3 to it without risk of losing data? |
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| 21:51.55 | nse | sgeigerbot: Yes I do. But gnome is my desktop manager. /var is /. Everything is in it. |
| 21:52.05 | peterS | LightVision: if you were worried about losing data, you wouldn't be using reiserfs in the first place. that's why I said it's a great way to test your backup strategy |
| 21:52.15 | sgeigerbot | LightVision: If you do backups, you should be oka. |
| 21:52.15 | sgeigerbot | y |
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| 21:52.52 | sgeigerbot | nse: I suppose you have no idea why you are running out of space. Or do you? Is it a cronic problem? or has something started taking over your disk space quickly? |
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| 21:54.06 | sgeigerbot | nse: be patient with the questions. Answers are coming soon. |
| 21:54.14 | nse | sgeigerbot: No man, my problem is that I have a lot of data in it. This very normal, having data. My point is to reorganize the data on my HD ir order to create free space for it. |
| 21:54.26 | nse | sgeigerbot: I'm very patient. |
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| 21:54.41 | sgeigerbot | nse: I have a lot of info. I just need to know what you need to do. okay. |
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| 21:55.08 | m2 | nse: apt-get clean |
| 21:55.10 | LightVision | Im about to be given a DVD+CD-RW combo drive! do these work ok in Debian? |
| 21:55.25 | peterS | LightVision: sure |
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| 21:55.49 | nse | m2: clean? |
| 21:55.52 | LightVision | peterS: I just plug it in and reboot? |
| 21:55.53 | peterS | LightVision: viewing video DVDs is problematic since most of them are encrypted. to defeat that you may have to look around for a library that isn't in debian, libdvdcss2 |
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| 21:56.00 | nse | m2: what about df -h ? |
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| 21:56.13 | sgeigerbot | nse: Well, naturally there will be some bigger files that you can look into compressing or removing. Find them easily with pydirstat: Download From: http://pydirstat.berlios.de/ Unpack and CD in to this directory: ~/pydirstat-0.9.8/src/ cd /; sudo python ~/pydirstat-0.9.8/src/pdshtml.py; sudo mv dirstat.html /to/your/web/site/ |
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| 21:56.27 | sgeigerbot | nse: View that in a graphical Web browser, and move your mouse over the squares to find out info about each file. (The larger blocks indicate larger files.) |
| 21:56.27 | LightVision | peterS: evry time debian reboots, does it search for new hardware? |
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| 21:56.44 | peterS | LightVision: some new hardware. CDROM drives certainly. |
| 21:56.55 | m2 | nse: yes, it removes all the .deb's you have installed |
| 21:56.58 | LightVision | ok |
| 21:56.59 | Gnea | hrm |
| 21:57.02 | m2 | nse: the .deb files, not the packages |
| 21:57.06 | LightVision | peterS: nice :) |
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| 21:57.23 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I don't know whether I would say it searches for new hardware. ;-) That sounds like a windowism. |
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| 21:57.31 | Gnea | ok, it's time to remap the printscreen button |
| 21:57.42 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: xbindkeys |
| 21:57.43 | LightVision | is there a NERO version for Linux? |
| 21:57.45 | nse | m2: What are the bad things of doying this? |
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| 21:57.51 | peterS | sgeigerbot: nevertheless, the kernel scans the IDE bus at boot time. maybe the choice of phrase has the wrong connotations though |
| 21:57.58 | m2 | nse: what's your network connection? |
| 21:58.00 | peterS | LightVision: there is not. a lot of people use k3b for that purpose |
| 21:58.09 | nse | LightVision: Yes there is, But K3B can do all the thing NERO can, and more. |
| 21:58.17 | sgeigerbot | m2: I was getting to that. Leave him alone. He's mine. |
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| 21:58.31 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 21:58.32 | m2 | sgeigerbot: ah, sorry, didn't notice... be my guest :-) |
| 21:58.37 | nse | m2: Cable, 128Kbps. Why? |
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| 21:58.52 | prjktdtnt | nse: is K3B included in the debian stable/testing/unstable deb repos or is there an alt repos for it? |
| 21:58.57 | sgeigerbot | nse: Just do as I say (not as I do). |
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| 21:59.02 | peterS | LightVision: there are quite a few CD burning apps in Debian. I haven't tried most of them. k3b is widely considered to be the most polished |
| 21:59.13 | peterS | prjktdtnt: try 'apt-cache search', dude |
| 21:59.13 | sgeigerbot | !lart m2 |
| 21:59.20 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 21:59.43 | nse | prjktdtnt: I'm almost sure it is. Check it. |
| 21:59.43 | prjktdtnt | sgeigerbot lol |
| 21:59.48 | prjktdtnt | ok 1 sec |
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| 22:00.00 | GeekZoid | is there a way to do auto-update with debian? |
| 22:00.03 | sgeigerbot | nse: Are you doing that? |
| 22:00.06 | GeekZoid | for certian packages. |
| 22:00.07 | LightVision | nse: so cdrecord does everything Nero can and more? |
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| 22:00.12 | jethro | GeekZoid: I'd use cron-apt |
| 22:00.24 | GeekZoid | hmm. |
| 22:00.30 | GeekZoid | is that on all debian systems? |
| 22:00.37 | GeekZoid | like potato/woody? |
| 22:00.53 | peterS | LightVision: cdrecord does a lot of things but does not have a GUI or anything, you have to construct command line options to do whatever you need. hence the frontend apps like k3b and others |
| 22:00.54 | nse | sgeigerbot: You gave me too many actions to perform, I'm confused. |
| 22:00.54 | LightVision | nse: Im using kernel 2.6.8 and apparently cdrecord has problems with any newever kernel |
| 22:01.01 | jethro | !info cron-apt woody |
| 22:01.02 | dpkg | cron-apt: (Automatic update of packages using apt), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.6woody1 (woody), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 22:01.05 | LightVision | peterS: yes, thanks |
| 22:01.07 | prjktdtnt | nse: thx! i was wondering what that one was...i have been looking for a cd burning program for a few days...thx |
| 22:01.13 | jethro | GeekZoid: I don't know for potato though |
| 22:01.20 | GeekZoid | Ok thank you jethro |
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| 22:01.33 | jethro | GeekZoid: you're welcome |
| 22:01.38 | LightVision | peterS: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.8-2-386 cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. |
| 22:01.40 | nse | prjktdtnt: K3B is a *very* good one. |
| 22:01.49 | LightVision | nse: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.8-2-386 cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. |
| 22:01.50 | peterS | LightVision: ignore that warning, it's the cdrecord author being an ass |
| 22:01.57 | LightVision | peterS: really? |
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| 22:02.09 | peterS | LightVision: yes. joerg schilling doesn't like Linux much, he prefers solaris. he's the cdrecord author |
| 22:02.11 | sgeigerbot | nse: what confused you? Just try to follow the instructions and then ask questions if you have a problem. I'm really giving you some hard-earned knowledge. Be patient. |
| 22:02.13 | LightVision | peterS: why would the author write that? |
| 22:02.22 | GeekZoid | umm |
| 22:02.27 | sgeigerbot | nse: A barrage of good commands will come if you just keep following the instructions. |
| 22:02.30 | LightVision | peterS: cdrecord: Warning: Linux-2.6.8 introduced incompatible interface changes. |
| 22:02.30 | peterS | LightVision: because of arguments he has with the linux kernel maintainers about how to do the stuff he needs |
| 22:02.31 | GeekZoid | why is gentoo better then debian :P <j/k> |
| 22:02.31 | sgeigerbot | nse: seriously |
| 22:02.33 | nse | LightVision: Really? The point is that K3B is as good as the windows one. Things will get better. |
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| 22:02.43 | Yulia | any mysql client as mysqlfront ? |
| 22:02.45 | LightVision | peterS: ok |
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| 22:03.11 | Kovecses | are there binary packages for fglrx using xorg in sid? |
| 22:03.34 | peterS | LightVision: it's a weird situation, but the upshot is, cdrecord spits out a warning or two that sound scary but can really be ignored |
| 22:03.48 | LightVision | nse: Im using k3b version 0.11.20. Is this the latest? |
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| 22:04.01 | LightVision | peterS: ok thanks for letting me know |
| 22:04.17 | nse | sgeigerbot: Wait a minute, doing sort of backing up in the data is something I'm not very used to now. I think buying a new device will resolve my problem. |
| 22:04.17 | LightVision | peterS: Im using k3b version 0.11.20. Is this the latest? what version is yours? |
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| 22:04.37 | peterS | LightVision: I don't use k3b. I only recommended it because lots of people do use it and like it |
| 22:04.51 | Kovecses | ok guys is there a possible way to get gnome 2.10 on sarge? |
| 22:04.57 | LightVision | peterS: what do you use? just cdrecord on its own? |
| 22:05.04 | nse | LightVision: I'm not sure, check it. Try the sid version, is a good way to get the newest software; |
| 22:05.06 | peterS | LightVision: generally yes |
| 22:05.24 | bbbbaaabbb | how do i install softwares locally using apt-get ? |
| 22:05.43 | sgeigerbot | nse: no, you will still run out of space eventually. That wasn't so hard to follow, but perhaps I should rewrite my instructions. What did you have a problem with? |
| 22:05.47 | peterS | bbbbaaabbb: don't, use aptitude. full-screen interface, easier to figure out, more featureful |
| 22:05.51 | LightVision | peterS: i use Sarge. is it safe to install apps that are not stable? |
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| 22:05.53 | key2 | hi |
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| 22:05.55 | nse | Kovecses: Of course there is, you will have to met manu dependencies but everything is possible. |
| 22:06.00 | bucky | bbbbaaabbb, dpkg -i |
| 22:06.04 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: probably not. |
| 22:06.09 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 22:06.21 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: but it really depends on the package and its dependencies... |
| 22:06.24 | peterS | LightVision: it's not generally safe to install stuff that isn't in sarge. if you do, sometimes it'll just work, sometimes it'll pull in other packages that might not be particularly stable, sometimes it'll just fail to install at all |
| 22:06.25 | prjktdtnt | h2h thanks everyone |
| 22:06.27 | Kovecses | nse, ok..... |
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| 22:06.28 | key2 | When I do a apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10 it doesnt find it, how can I tell apt-get to go look for it on an other server ? |
| 22:06.33 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: so using Sarge, I wont ever be able to update any software until Etch comes out? |
| 22:06.46 | LightVision | peterS: ok |
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| 22:06.49 | sgeigerbot | nse: "It takes space to make space." |
| 22:07.00 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: save for security updates, unless you use backports. yes. |
| 22:07.09 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: (or upgrade to etch or unstable) |
| 22:07.19 | peterS | LightVision: an alternative is to look for backports, which means newer versions of software that some third party has built as sarge-compatible packages. in that case of course it's the third party's responsibility to assure quality of the package, so sometimes that'll vary as well |
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| 22:07.38 | micka__ | mplayer checking for xv no ? |
| 22:07.38 | Morti | Question. Does ALSA use more CPU time than OSS? |
| 22:07.42 | LightVision | peterS: so any security updates will be automatically made available for Sarge? |
| 22:07.45 | sgeigerbot | nse: pydirstat is really worth the effort. Anyway, here is the rest of the info... |
| 22:07.48 | micka__ | mplayer checking for alsa no ? |
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| 22:07.56 | peterS | LightVision: yes, as long as sarge is supported, which means until etch comes out and a bit longer |
| 22:08.03 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: how do I update from Sarge to Etch or unstable? |
| 22:08.06 | sgeigerbot | nse: Since packages themselves are more easy to find and remove...and are often large...and install again, they are a natural target for the first attempts at finding disk space: sudo apt-get clean |
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| 22:08.11 | sgeigerbot | nse: if [ -x /usr/bin/deborphan ] ; then sudo su -c 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove' ; fi ## Be sure to verify that you have deborphan or else... |
| 22:08.15 | peterS | LightVision: well, not "automatically", someone has to do the work to make this happen. but from your perspective it's automatic |
| 22:08.24 | nse | sgeigerbot: I read your instructions, that a good way of doing it. But I'm not very sure that I have a web site to put stuff in. |
| 22:08.27 | LightVision | peterS: how do I find these backports? |
| 22:08.39 | key2 | When I do a apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10 it doesnt find it, how can I tell apt-get to go look for it on an other server ? |
| 22:08.42 | sgeigerbot | nse: sudo su -c "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |grep ^rc |awk '{print $2} ' | xargs dpkg -P" |
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| 22:08.42 | peterS | LightVision: there exists a www.backports.org, or at least there used to |
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| 22:08.54 | sgeigerbot | nse: sudo localepurge; sudo debfoster; sudo cruft |
| 22:09.02 | sgeigerbot | nse: Note: debfoster and cruft require a little concentration on your part--perhaps you should skip them for now and go on to something else, a little faster |
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| 22:09.04 | peterS | LightVision: there is also www.apt-get.org but I'm not sure if those packages are all considered reasonable quality |
| 22:09.04 | LightVision | peterS: ok thanks. And how do I update from Sarge to Etch or unstable? |
| 22:09.23 | Exdaix | Anyone know where to get a Darkice .deb with lame support? |
| 22:09.23 | sgeigerbot | dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -n ## Lists the packages with size in descending order(at least ten times faster than the next way): |
| 22:09.24 | peterS | !tell LightVision -about stable->testing |
| 22:09.35 | sgeigerbot | dpkg-awk "Status: .* installed$" -- Package Installed-Size | awk '{print $2}' | egrep -v '^$' | xargs -n2 echo | perl -pe 's/(\S+)\s(\S+)/$2 $1/' | sort -rg |
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| 22:09.48 | sgeigerbot | nse: Suspect emacs of taking some space unnecessarily: "du -h --max-depth=1 ~/.emacs.d/" |
| 22:09.53 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: you edit your sources.list and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; but you can't go back. Generally we recommend that you not do that until you wouldn't need the factoid anyway. |
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| 22:09.58 | sgeigerbot | If the partition that is low on disk space is /var/ perhaps check into rotation of your log files. |
| 22:09.58 | js_ | what block size and so on should i use on a raid 0 volume consisting of two 250 gb partitions for the best performance? a tip on a suitable filesystem would be groovy too.. the volume will hold a lot of quite large files |
| 22:10.08 | abonilla | can someone tell me who is that the gnome monitor applet and phpsysinfo read the usage of memory and cache? top says 0.5% is used of memory but the applet and phpsysinfo say I'm using 94% and 44% is cache!!? |
| 22:10.08 | sgeigerbot | nse: sudo find / -size +3000k -print0 | xargs -0 ls -ls | sort -rn > /tmp/3+_mb_files_`/bin/date +%m_%d_%Y_%a_%I_%M_%p` # I often use the following to look for files larger than 3 MBs |
| 22:10.23 | sgeigerbot | nse: look for core dumps: sudo find / -name *core* -print |
| 22:10.25 | peterS | js_: just guess, you can't go too far wrong. the default is probably not bad |
| 22:10.31 | js_ | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 22:10.37 | nse | sgeigerbot: After doing this how much of disk space, more or less, I'll get? |
| 22:10.41 | petemc | sgeigerbot: looks a bit ott |
| 22:10.42 | LightVision | peterS: it says; testing gets NO security updates! so does that mean if U upgrade from Sarge, I wont be able to install any new security updates that come out? |
| 22:10.48 | sgeigerbot | nse: it totally depends on your system. |
| 22:11.08 | sgeigerbot | nse: Another handy trick: You can move a directory from the partition to another partition or device...and then in its place put a symlink to the new location of the directory. |
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| 22:11.17 | Gathond | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.17 | peterS | LightVision: etch gets security updates only on an ad hoc basis. sometimes this is days after the update has hit unstable and sarge, sometimes even weeks after |
| 22:11.19 | nse | sgeigerbot: What does xargs do? |
| 22:11.23 | sgeigerbot | nse: man xargs |
| 22:11.36 | LightVision | peterS: ok, ill think I will stick with Sarge then :) |
| 22:11.39 | abonilla | how can I clear my cache memory? |
| 22:11.42 | sgeigerbot | nse: http://unix.about.com/library/weekly/aa082001a.htm |
| 22:11.45 | peterS | LightVision: this means you should subscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list and pay attention to the packages announced there, so you'll know when something affects you and you have to build your own packages or disable network services temporarily |
| 22:11.46 | key2 | When I do a apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10 it doesnt find it, how can I tell apt-get to go look for it on an other server ? |
| 22:12.14 | Exdaix | Anyone know where to get a Darkice .deb with lame support? or should I just compile it |
| 22:12.15 | nse | sgeigerbot: I'll be away a little, I have to eat something... |
| 22:12.17 | sgeigerbot | nse: you definitely should use pydirstat or filelight (if you have KDE). |
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| 22:12.31 | peterS | LightVision: in fact it's not a bad idea to be subscribed to debian-security-announce in any case. it's nice to know what packages have pending security updates you haven't noticed yet, and why |
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| 22:12.45 | sgeigerbot | nse: ok, that's the end of my info anyway. Preventing disk space issues, well, that's a totally different subject... |
| 22:12.48 | LightVision | peterS: and if I stick with sarge, will new versions of k3b and firefox etc be available for sarge sources in sources.list? Or once you use Sarge, will there be not even ONE update of any software untill Etch comes out? Is that how it works? |
| 22:13.05 | talisein | uh oh, he brought up firefox :) |
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| 22:13.17 | sgeigerbot | petemc: what looked odd about that? |
| 22:13.17 | LightVision | !tell LightVision -about stable->testing |
| 22:13.29 | peterS | LightVision: sarge gets basically no updates except security updates. if someone finds a security problem with KDE, you get the same version of KDE plus some minimal security patch. for example. |
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| 22:14.13 | LightVision | peterS: ok, so between now and Etch, I wont even be able to install newest versions of firefox that will come out between now and release of Etch? |
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| 22:14.42 | owh | Greetings. I need to tunnel my fetchmail traffic across an ssh tunnel. The manual tells me that I can do this with a preconnect directive. All fine. My ssh tunnel uses a key, that normally lives in ~/.ssh, but fetchmail runs as the fetchmail user. How do I make an automated passwordless ssh tunnel with my existing keys? |
| 22:14.45 | peterS | LightVision: correct. unless you find a third-party source of debian sarge firefox packages, and use those, and trust *them* to maintain package quality and stay up to date on security issues |
| 22:15.00 | petemc | sgeigerbot: ott, not odd |
| 22:15.08 | sgeigerbot | petemc: what was odd about it? |
| 22:15.23 | peterS | LightVision: there probably exists such a source out there somewhere. for now, btw, sarge has firefox 1.0.6 but it's labeled 1.0.4, this is a unique situation I'd sooner not get into |
| 22:15.29 | sgeigerbot | petemc: It looks beautiful to me. |
| 22:15.34 | petemc | sgeigerbot: it seemed to me a bit over the top th top, but if it works for you then all good |
| 22:15.41 | petemc | gah |
| 22:15.42 | LightVision | peterS: wow, so if I stick with Sarge I cant get any new software updates, and if I upgrade to etch, testing I cant get any new security updates! Sounds like lose lose situation :P |
| 22:15.47 | Morti | Okay, so this PC I'm on. I'm running X (with nothing running in X locally, icewm is X forwarded over my LAN), mpg123 with 192kbps MP3s and SSH with compression on running Irssi. The music skips, the problem mostly goes away if I turn off compression on the SSH connection and use blowfish. Anyone have any suggestions for how this machine could run any faster? P100 with a custom 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 22:15.52 | petemc | s#th top## |
| 22:16.18 | peterS | LightVision: well, there's the other perspective: does your software have an expiration date? does it not work as well in 2006 as it does in 2005? why not? |
| 22:16.37 | sgeigerbot | peterS: If you put it into a script then it looks like this: bash foo.sh ...which is hardly over the top. |
| 22:16.40 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 22:16.45 | owh | LightVision: No, it's entirely sensible. A sarge user wants a stable machine and doesn't want any changes. An etch user wants the latest and greatest. The security updates will come as part of an update to the software. |
| 22:16.52 | LightVision | peterS: yes I know. but I was concerned about not keepign up tpo date with Firefox for example due to security reasons! |
| 22:16.56 | Morti | Or, how could I raise the priority of the mpg123 process? |
| 22:17.12 | owh | Morti: man nice |
| 22:17.16 | peterS | LightVision: well, security reasons are the main reason software *does* have an "expiration date". and debian stable addresses this. |
| 22:17.17 | LightVision | owh: yes but what about firefox for example. sometimes they release new versions due to security issues |
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| 22:17.32 | zyv | hi everyone ! |
| 22:17.44 | zyv | i'm running a 2.6.10 kernel and cdrecord -scanbus says: " ... cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. ..." and i get no information about my burning/reading devices. What happen ??? |
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| 22:17.45 | LightVision | peterS: yes I understand, but what about firefox for example. sometimes they release new versions due to security issues |
| 22:17.46 | owh | LightVision: And the debian response is to incorporate the security fix and only the security fix. |
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| 22:17.59 | nomed | hi all |
| 22:18.07 | Morti | owh: Cheers. Is there any way to automatically "nice" all mpg123 processes? |
| 22:18.10 | sgeigerbot | nomed: hi. we were waiting for you. |
| 22:18.18 | LightVision | owh: ah ok! So you mean if firefox releases a new version due to a security issue, it will be made available for Sarge? |
| 22:18.21 | peterS | LightVision: yes, and when that happens, debian will issue an update to the firefox package to address the security issue. |
| 22:18.21 | owh | LightVision: Otherwise you'd get a situation where a fix might also include other upgrades, an undesired result. |
| 22:18.24 | sgeigerbot | Morti: "and" - the autonice daemon |
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| 22:18.45 | owh | LightVision: No, the debian security team would apply the security patch to the current sarge version. |
| 22:18.47 | nomed | is there any mouse config application in gtk2? |
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| 22:18.57 | peterS | LightVision: why do you think the version number is the only useful characteristic of a software package? debian patches our software, sometimes extensively, without changing the main version number |
| 22:19.00 | Morti | sgeigerbot: I'll have a look, thanks. |
| 22:19.05 | LightVision | peterS: NOW you talking :) I get it now! So security issues and updates are still made available with Sarge with firefox etc! I misunderstood before, sorry. |
| 22:19.26 | sgeigerbot | Morti: it even works for autonicing your not-so-nice users. |
| 22:19.29 | zyv | i'm running a 2.6.10 kernel and cdrecord -scanbus says: " ... cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. ..." and i get no information about my burning/reading devices. What happen ??? |
| 22:19.34 | Morti | Cool. |
| 22:19.37 | LightVision | peterS: well then I feel better using Sarge |
| 22:19.38 | owh | LightVision: That's pretty common, because it's not immediately obvious. |
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| 22:19.43 | Morti | Although this process is nice'd to -19 and it still skips. |
| 22:19.43 | LightVision | owh: ok |
| 22:19.49 | peterS | LightVision: firefox is a bad example, actually. it is difficult to patch old versions of firefox to address security concerns. so the security team is on record as "cheating" by pulling in a new firefox version instead of trying to retrofit a security fix to an old version |
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| 22:19.54 | Morti | Especially when there's a lot of activity in this channel. |
| 22:19.55 | john9879 | hi |
| 22:19.56 | neiljp | anyone recommend calendar software which can 'overlay' other calendars, which can be eg. toggled on/off? |
| 22:20.01 | habib | hi |
| 22:20.01 | habib | can you help me? |
| 22:20.09 | peterS | LightVision: but that's not the common practice. with all other debian packages, the security team just extracts the security fix and applies it to the package that shipped already in sarge |
| 22:20.23 | LightVision | peterS: so I just use apt-get install firefox regularly to see if they released a new firefox for sarge? |
| 22:20.28 | owh | peterS: I already said that :) |
| 22:20.33 | peterS | LightVision: you do 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' regularly. |
| 22:20.44 | paulswm | habib: Maybe we can, if you describe your problem |
| 22:20.44 | LightVision | peterS: got it, thanks :) |
| 22:20.49 | peterS | sgeigerbot: whoa, more than 0.5 marathon. what was the occasion? |
| 22:20.51 | talisein | so who wants to bring up volitile? ;) |
| 22:20.55 | LightVision | peterS: thank you for your help and patience, I learned a lot |
| 22:20.56 | owh | LightVision: Better still, aptitude update and aptitude upgrade :) |
| 22:21.01 | john9879 | i installed debian here and the only repository in synaptic is security... I've looked everywhere on how to add repositories to synaptic but I can't find anything |
| 22:21.03 | habib | i have a problem who can help me? |
| 22:21.11 | peterS | owh: well, or that, but for sarge -> sarge it hardly matters |
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| 22:21.22 | owh | peterS: True :) |
| 22:21.31 | LightVision | owh: yes but I dont use aptitude anymore. something weird happens with that, it always wants to remove kppp and kde when I use it |
| 22:21.37 | owh | habib: If you ask an actual question we might be able to :) |
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| 22:21.55 | peterS | sometimes when I use a computer I want to remove kppp and kde too (: |
| 22:21.58 | owh | LightVision: Perhaps you should try and find out why... |
| 22:22.02 | LightVision | aptitude always asks me to remove 20 packages like kpp, dke etc! really weird |
| 22:22.09 | LightVision | owh: I have no idea why |
| 22:22.24 | LightVision | owh: but apt-get doesnt do it |
| 22:22.29 | owh | So, anyone got any brilliant suggestions for my ssh challenge? |
| 22:22.35 | habib | so i wanna some free proxy server to pass the filltering can you bring them forme? |
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| 22:22.52 | talisein | owh You might look into 'keychain' |
| 22:22.58 | owh | habib: And now in English, I don't understand the question. |
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| 22:23.02 | peterS | owh: I think your ssh challenge got lost in the how does security.debian.org work thing |
| 22:23.10 | micka__ | mplayer checking for xv no ? |
| 22:23.19 | micka__ | i have glx support |
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| 22:24.01 | LightVision | owh: and for example if I use aptitude to install something new, it says it wants to remove kppp and kde and other apps that it says are no longer needed :P weird eh? |
| 22:24.18 | jethro | owh: I'd create a dedicated and passwordless keypair for the fetchmail user. I'd also create a dedicated account on the remote end, with only the possibility to create the tunnel you want (ie restrict shell access, etc..) |
| 22:24.21 | peterS | LightVision: if it says they are no longer needed, just move to those package lines and hit 'm' |
| 22:24.29 | habib | i want some free proxy server to pass the filltering? |
| 22:24.39 | peterS | LightVision: that means "don't remove this just because no other package is using it" |
| 22:24.43 | owh | jethro: Where would I put the key pair? |
| 22:24.55 | peterS | LightVision: then you might have to also hit '+' to re-select them for installation |
| 22:24.59 | jethro | owh: ~fetchmail/.ssh |
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| 22:25.26 | owh | jethro: That would be /var/run/fetchmail/.ssh, hardly seems like a good location. |
| 22:25.26 | jethro | owh: you could also just copy your existing private key, but it could be compromised if someone compromises the fetchmail user |
| 22:25.46 | peterS | owh: in ~/.ssh/config you can say "Host foo.example.com" "IdentityFile ~/.ssh/special_key_file" |
| 22:25.48 | owh | jethro: I understand what you're saying about the compromised user. |
| 22:26.06 | peterS | owh: where special_key_file and special_key_file.pub are something you create with ssh-keygen |
| 22:26.13 | jethro | peterS: he's concerned with ~ being /var/run/fetchmail I think :) |
| 22:26.21 | owh | Indeed :) |
| 22:26.35 | owh | If that's not an issue, I'm all for putting it there :) |
| 22:26.40 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I've just been getting into shape for the last 6 months. Last night was just another run. |
| 22:26.40 | jethro | owh: I don't consider this to be a problem |
| 22:26.41 | habib | help me pleas! |
| 22:26.46 | peterS | I don't see a problem with having a ~fetchmail/.ssh |
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| 22:26.56 | owh | habib: I do not understand your question. |
| 22:26.57 | peterS | owh: protect the dir appropriately, with mode 700 or whatever, of course |
| 22:27.11 | bsims | heh I just made a painless transition to Xorg |
| 22:27.11 | peterS | sgeigerbot: that's still a lot of miles |
| 22:27.16 | bsims | I felt like such a bandwith slut upgrading 500+ packages to latest Sid, also nothing broke... at least nothing that wasn't already broken |
| 22:27.20 | owh | peterS: jethro, talisein, All good, thanks. |
| 22:27.27 | jethro | owh: you're welcome |
| 22:27.29 | talisein | yw |
| 22:27.47 | m2 | habib: state your problem, sir. |
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| 22:27.56 | jethro | hey abrotman |
| 22:27.57 | peterS | bsims: the transition is only complete when you install xserver-xorg and (later, probably) remove xserver-xfree86. that's one that doesn't come in automatically |
| 22:28.07 | abrotman | jethro: hi |
| 22:28.16 | habib | i say i want them to recivie the information from another computer that's not my isp |
| 22:28.20 | sgeigerbot | peterS: you told someone to do "apt-get upgrade" regularly? That's maybe okay advice if someone is on stable, but you should make sure they know that this will eventually cause problems if thye arne't using stable. |
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| 22:28.33 | bsims | peterS: hrm dpkg asked me which xserver I wanted and it said Xserver-xorg |
| 22:28.40 | sgeigerbot | peterS: at the beginning of the year, I could run only 6 blocks. |
| 22:28.43 | peterS | sgeigerbot: yes, he's using sarge, we hashed that out lengthily and painfully |
| 22:28.47 | habib | just search in google:free proxy server |
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| 22:28.49 | sgeigerbot | peterS: ok, good. |
| 22:28.59 | peterS | bsims: guess you did complete the transition then (: |
| 22:29.10 | peterS | sgeigerbot: 6 blocks to 14 miles? that's amazing |
| 22:29.14 | habib | i can do that because this worl are filltered |
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| 22:29.25 | peterS | sgeigerbot: was that 14 miles without stopping, or adding up multiple runs in a day? |
| 22:29.33 | bsims | status ii for xorg xfree is rc |
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| 22:29.36 | habib | i can not do that because this worl are filltered |
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| 22:30.07 | simy | can sombody point me to a tutorial on how to install a usb printer |
| 22:30.09 | newbie_ | anyone know a fix for this: can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' |
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| 22:30.24 | bsims | just because I was paranoid I forced an Xserver restart too <g> |
| 22:30.29 | talisein | linux-printing.org probably |
| 22:30.31 | john098 | hi .. how do i add repositories to apt get? |
| 22:30.36 | Gathond | simy: linuxprinting.org, find your printer and follow its suggestions |
| 22:30.37 | owh | newbie_: Look in mysql.conf and turn on the network. |
| 22:30.38 | bsims | john098: vim |
| 22:30.43 | philips | I have a sarge/sid box and I haven't upgraded during the C++ transition... is it safe yet? Is pure Unstable OK to run (I can handle some breakage, but is it bootable :-)) |
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| 22:30.50 | simy | Gathond thank you |
| 22:30.53 | newbie_ | owh: where' sthe config file generally? |
| 22:30.54 | john098 | i need to know the format and how to find a list with the correct format |
| 22:30.55 | owh | Does anyone understand what habib is trying to ask us? |
| 22:31.02 | simy | Gathond my googling just didnt seam to have anything productive |
| 22:31.06 | bsims | ok sorry john098 I was being a smart arse... /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:31.10 | talisein | i'm stuck on 'worl' |
| 22:31.11 | sgeigerbot | simy: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+usb+printer+howto&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
| 22:31.11 | habib | it seems there is nobody knows the answer of my question |
| 22:31.13 | habib | ok |
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| 22:31.24 | habib | i have another question |
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| 22:31.33 | key2 | someone has a kernel > 2.6.10 ? |
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| 22:31.36 | sgeigerbot | peterS: One run without stopping. |
| 22:31.37 | owh | newbie_: /etc/mysql/ |
| 22:31.41 | Gathond | simy: note that depending upon the specific printer it might not work at all |
| 22:31.42 | bsims | philips: mostly but KDE is under transition |
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| 22:31.54 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I've lost 30 lbs. |
| 22:31.58 | philips | bsims: eh- I don't use QT apps |
| 22:32.00 | habib | i installed mysql but how can i set a password for the root user? |
| 22:32.12 | john098 | bsims.. thanks.. it seems my debian installation dvd didn't come with any repositories, other than security |
| 22:32.19 | bsims | philips: in that case go for it I guess... |
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| 22:32.30 | sgeigerbot | habib: "mysqladmin -u root -p password 'mynewpasswd'"...which uses the -p to prompt you for a password and the command "password" to set the password to "mynewpasswd"...and then log in with "mysql -u root -p" using the new password |
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| 22:32.33 | bsims | I am waiting for the Kde transition to finish |
| 22:32.37 | narg | Hrm, is there an added step for making kde work with a new user? My new user just gets loads of dcop errors when it trys to load kde. |
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| 22:32.41 | peterS | sgeigerbot: wow, good work |
| 22:33.12 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I guess that's why you havne't seen me here so much. |
| 22:33.19 | peterS | heh |
| 22:33.21 | john098 | I can't find a how-to anywhere on adding repositories to the etc/apt/source.list file |
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| 22:33.34 | sgeigerbot | john098: sudo apt-setup (If you don't have apt-setup, do this first: sudo apt-get install base-config) |
| 22:33.46 | jethro | john098: man sources.list or just use apt-setup as suggested by sgeigerbot |
| 22:33.51 | bsims | philips: for what its worth a simple apt-get installed Xorg painlessly |
| 22:34.12 | bsims | narg: shouldn't be is he completely new? |
| 22:34.31 | habib | i did it but |
| 22:34.35 | narg | fresh of the kuser press :p |
| 22:34.37 | narg | off* |
| 22:34.38 | sgeigerbot | bsims: I assume you used this: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 22:34.40 | bsims | ie try moving .kde to .kde.old |
| 22:34.48 | newbie_ | owh: turned on network, restarted mysql and got the same error.. that directory does NOT contain a mysqld.sock file? Did debian not install properly? |
| 22:35.01 | john098 | ageigerbot: oh glorious |
| 22:35.04 | habib | it says: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES)' |
| 22:35.07 | sgeigerbot | john098: :-) My pleasure. |
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| 22:35.32 | sgeigerbot | john098: Just dont' forget the base-config part of what I told you. Not every machine will have that. |
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| 22:35.51 | bsims | sgeigerbot: nah it was done with the X-window-server-core meta package |
| 22:36.12 | narg | bsims: Wow.. it worked. Must have not liked my .kde directory. |
| 22:36.14 | narg | Thanks :) |
| 22:36.40 | bsims | narg: I've ran in to that error before <g> now you get to migrate settings over <g> |
| 22:37.09 | owh | newbie_: Sorry, back in a bit... |
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| 22:37.20 | sgeigerbot | habib: are you able to log in? |
| 22:37.22 | bsims | sgeigerbot: on Sid and now Testing, the X-window-server-core will automaticaly install xorg |
| 22:37.24 | newbie_ | owh: okay, thanks. |
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| 22:38.27 | sgeigerbot | habib: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop ; sudo /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables ...and then go to another window (or maybe use the & when using the previous command) Then: mysql -u root Then: UPDATE mysql.user SET Password = PASSWORD('gegsxos') where User ='root'; flush privileges ; quit ; sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 22:39.10 | sgeigerbot | bsims: maybe I'll have to check that out. |
| 22:39.19 | owh | newbie_: Can you telnet to port 3306 on your machine? |
| 22:39.22 | bsims | sgeigerbot: worked for me at any rate |
| 22:39.43 | sgeigerbot | bsims: I'm not a big gui fan. I'm not even sure why I would want to upgrade. |
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| 22:40.15 | bsims | sgeigerbot: hell I even had the old X-windows up and running when I did the upgrade... I did it as xorg is the new default and that way I didn't have to pin anything |
| 22:40.17 | LightVision | peterS: ok thanks |
| 22:40.35 | owh | newbie_: Is mysql actually running: ps -A | grep mysql |
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| 22:41.57 | LightVision | i have sarge booting of my hdb, but I have another linux distro on hda! How can I get sarge to see hda? I need to mount it dont I? |
| 22:42.34 | newbie_ | owh: no.. It won't start because of that error. |
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| 22:42.54 | narg | LightVision, why do you need to mount it? |
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| 22:43.52 | LightVision | narg: well I cant see it anywhere or access it |
| 22:44.02 | LightVision | narg: I have hda and nowhere to be seen |
| 22:44.03 | narg | ... konqueror can export to .html bookmarks, which I did, thinking it would work best. But as far as I can tell, it can't import html bookmarks :p |
| 22:44.18 | LightVision | how can I get Sarge to see my hda? |
| 22:44.20 | narg | LightVision: Add it to your /etc/fstab file to see it. |
| 22:44.33 | narg | But unless your data is on it, there isnt a whole lot of point to mounting it. |
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| 22:44.46 | netcat | LightVision: as root: fdisk -l /dev/hda will show the partitions on drive hda |
| 22:44.55 | owh | newbie_: Hmm, are there any files in /var/lib/mysql |
| 22:45.14 | newbie_ | owh: no, there aren't.. that's why I was wondering if debian installed mysql properly. |
| 22:45.27 | newbie_ | owh: may I private message you? |
| 22:45.35 | owh | newbie_: Sure |
| 22:45.57 | LightVision | netcat: that command shows my HDA! but how can I use hda? |
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| 22:46.08 | cinix | Can anyone suggest to me some cluster software that works with the 2.6 kernel and has a debian package? |
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| 22:46.23 | netcat | LightVision: what filesystem does it use? |
| 22:46.33 | abrotman | cinix: what kind of cluster ? |
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| 22:46.41 | newbie_ | owh: won't let me pm you without registering.. |
| 22:46.44 | LightVision | netcat: same as Sarge, ext3 |
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| 22:46.46 | owh | LightVision: Your HDD is called /dev/hda, it has likely several partitions on it: /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2, etc. You can mount those. |
| 22:46.51 | cinix | distributed processes |
| 22:46.54 | abrotman | !mpi |
| 22:46.54 | dpkg | i guess mpi is Message Passing Interface, a parallel programming standard for SMPs and clusters. http://www.mcs.anl.gov/mpi. It is a library specification for message-passing proposed as a standard. MPI was designed for high performance on both massively parallel machines and on workstation clusters. See MPICH and MPILAM. |
| 22:46.57 | LightVision | owh: how? |
| 22:46.57 | owh | newbie_: Don't worry about it, just talk here. |
| 22:46.59 | netcat | LightVision: Do you have an empty subdirectory? |
| 22:47.02 | key2 | what's the easyest way to install kernel 2.6.10 on debian sarge ? |
| 22:47.06 | owh | LightVision: man mount |
| 22:47.07 | key2 | sorry |
| 22:47.11 | abrotman | !tell key2 about kp |
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| 22:47.19 | owh | key2: apt-get install kernel-x |
| 22:47.20 | cinix | anything will do I suppose. I'm messing around since I have an extra pc laying around |
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| 22:47.27 | newbie_ | was saying -- owh: no, there aren't.. that's why I was wondering if debian installed mysql properly. |
| 22:47.37 | LightVision | netcat: /mnt is empty |
| 22:47.39 | cinix | what different kind of clustering software is there? |
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| 22:47.44 | netcat | LightVision: mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 22:47.53 | LightVision | netcat: ok thanks |
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| 22:47.59 | owh | netcat: That's giving it away :) |
| 22:48.00 | ongeboren | how do I forcibely install a packege even if it has unmet dependencies ? |
| 22:48.13 | mfrisch | don't |
| 22:48.14 | owh | ongeboren: man dpkg |
| 22:48.21 | owh | mfrisch: That too :) |
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| 22:48.42 | ongeboren | owh, wel, i did rtfm, but i didn't find it |
| 22:48.43 | john098 | apt-get setup only allowed me to add stable to the source.list.. i need to get the others in there (mainly java-package from contrib). any ideas? |
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| 22:48.50 | LightVision | netcat: hey thanks :) that command worked like a charm! I can now see my hda :) thank you |
| 22:48.52 | netcat | LightVision: you can also load up /etc/fstab and do a "stare and compare" to add it to the file. Then all you have to do is "mount /mnt" |
| 22:48.55 | newbie_ | owh: the weird thing is, if I ps, I see both apache and apache2.. that's not right, is it? |
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| 22:49.00 | abrotman | cinix: beowulf and MPI is all i know |
| 22:49.12 | LightVision | netcat: im sorry I dont understand what a "stare and compare" means |
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| 22:49.37 | owh | newbie_: That should not be an issue, but have a read of /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 22:49.38 | key2 | abrotman: when I do an apt-get, it finds the kernel-source-2.6.8 but not the kernel-source-2.6.10 |
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| 22:49.51 | owh | key2: Do apt-get update first |
| 22:49.52 | abrotman | key2: you have to get the soruces from kernel.org |
| 22:49.54 | abrotman | !tell key2 about kp |
| 22:49.57 | abrotman | owh: it's not in sarge |
| 22:50.00 | netcat | LightVision: Use the already provided information that is in the file to add /dev/hda1 to it... |
| 22:50.10 | LightVision | netcat: could I also have typed "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda /mnt" |
| 22:50.12 | newbie_ | owh: okay .. will that tell me how to get the .sock in the right place? |
| 22:50.12 | owh | abrotman: Ah, good point :) |
| 22:50.17 | key2 | abrotman: then it gives me shit when I compile it, it gives me some error |
| 22:50.25 | mfrisch | I purged logwatch and are still receiving the email. Please make them stop. |
| 22:50.29 | abrotman | key2: such as ? |
| 22:50.31 | owh | newbie_: No, the .sock will be created by the software, you need some tables first. |
| 22:50.51 | LightVision | netcat: but if I ever want to use hda, I can just enter the command "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt". No need to add it to fstab, right? |
| 22:50.52 | owh | abrotman: Not sure about your suggestion to getting it from kernel.org though. |
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| 22:51.15 | owh | LightVision: That is correct, but if there are more than one partition, that command just mounts the first one. |
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| 22:51.21 | cinix | abrotman, thanks |
| 22:51.21 | abrotman | owh: please find the 2.6.10 package available in debian |
| 22:51.25 | netcat | LightVision: You have to type that each time you want to mount it. Adding it to /etc/fstab will make it easier in the future. |
| 22:51.36 | LightVision | owh: ok, so can I instead use "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda /mnt" ? |
| 22:51.39 | Wyzard | key2: You need 2.6.10 specifically? |
| 22:51.52 | owh | abrotman: Well I have 2.6.11, and it came from debian sources, not kernel.org :) |
| 22:51.58 | LightVision | netcat: I dont mind typing it each time because I dont use hda all the time |
| 22:52.00 | owh | LightVision: No. |
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| 22:52.19 | abrotman | owh: yes .. but not 2.6.19 |
| 22:52.20 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:52.22 | abrotman | 10 |
| 22:52.22 | LightVision | netcat: and if I want to unmount it, do I type "umount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt" ? |
| 22:52.25 | owh | LightVision: The software can only mount a partition. /dev/hda is the whole drive, /dev/hda1 is one partition. |
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| 22:52.39 | newbie_ | owh: I see .. so the .sock will be created automatically once I add some tables into MySQL? .. cool. But how do I get mysql to run if it's waiting on that .sock? |
| 22:52.40 | LightVision | owh: so how can I mount the whole hda drive? |
| 22:52.43 | netcat | LightVision: No, all you have to type is "umount /mnt" |
| 22:52.49 | LightVision | netcat: thanks |
| 22:52.57 | key2 | Wyzard: or higher |
| 22:53.01 | owh | LightVision: You cannot mount the "whole hda drive", you can only mount each partition. |
| 22:53.11 | key2 | owh: where did u get it |
| 22:53.15 | netcat | LightVision: You can only mount partitions, not whole drives. |
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| 22:53.42 | Gathond | owh: I dont as such think anything forces you to actually partition a harddisk if you just want one filesystem |
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| 22:53.58 | owh | Gathond: That is true, but that is pretty rare :) |
| 22:54.07 | key2 | abrotman: such as that: make[3]: *** [drivers/char/misc.o] Error 1 |
| 22:54.08 | drew_ | can someone help me with lilo? |
| 22:54.08 | Gathond | owh: true |
| 22:54.16 | owh | key2: Do you need source, or just an image? |
| 22:54.21 | LightVision | netcat: why is that? |
| 22:54.22 | key2 | owh: image |
| 22:54.23 | mfrisch | drew_ ok |
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| 22:54.26 | abrotman | key2: that's not an error |
| 22:54.44 | drew_ | mfrisch, I'll post in flood this one error |
| 22:54.49 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 etch |
| 22:54.55 | mfrisch | drew_ what is it... |
| 22:54.57 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-7 (etch), Packaged size: 15595 kB, Installed size: 45844 kB |
| 22:55.02 | abrotman | key2: ^^ ? |
| 22:55.11 | netcat | LightVision: If your drive is one big partition then I guess you could say that you are mounting the whole drive. |
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| 22:55.23 | key2 | abrotman: what gcc do I need to compile it ? |
| 22:55.27 | key2 | i have 3-4 |
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| 22:55.38 | abrotman | 3.4 should be fine |
| 22:55.41 | key2 | well |
| 22:55.43 | key2 | i can't compile |
| 22:55.46 | abrotman | key2: try the image from etch that is 2.6.11 |
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| 22:56.16 | key2 | what link should I put in the source.list |
| 22:56.20 | key2 | so it finds 2.6.11 |
| 22:56.21 | owh | key2: If it's an image, you don't compile it. If your sources are setup correctly then you should be able to do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11/unstable |
| 22:56.32 | mr_kreg | got a system with 768MB memory. what's recommended swap size? 1.4GB? |
| 22:56.38 | abrotman | key2: just grab it from packages.debian.org |
| 22:56.46 | LightVision | netcat: ok |
| 22:56.48 | key2 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 22:56.48 | key2 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 22:56.48 | key2 | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 22:57.00 | LightVision | netcat: do you own any cats? :) |
| 22:57.38 | netcat | LightVision: Not me, I only own a pet rock... My girlfriend owns two cats. |
| 22:57.39 | LightVision | netcat: whats the command to see what filesystem hda or hdb is using please? |
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| 22:57.47 | LightVision | netcat: ok :) |
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| 22:58.19 | Wyzard | LightVision: file -s /dev/hda1 |
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| 22:58.29 | LightVision | Wyzard: thanks :) |
| 22:58.50 | netcat | LightVision: It also showed up when you did: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 22:59.02 | ongeboren | how do I forcibely install a packege even if it has unmet dependencies ? |
| 22:59.05 | key2 | abrotman: the source or the binary ? |
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| 22:59.21 | abrotman | key2: binary |
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| 22:59.26 | key2 | owh: if I do an apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11/unstable it doesnt find it |
| 22:59.27 | bauerbob | hi |
| 22:59.33 | owh | ongeboren: Did you actually read the responses you were given? |
| 22:59.40 | key2 | abrotman: ? it's in there ? |
| 22:59.41 | funkyHat | ongeboren, dpkg --help, there's an option for force install |
| 22:59.46 | abrotman | key2: what is ? |
| 22:59.51 | bauerbob | do i need to put my user in a special group to allow him access to IMAP (dovecot) with squirrelmail? |
| 22:59.53 | key2 | the binary of 2.6.11 |
| 22:59.53 | abrotman | key2: don't do what owh is saying |
| 22:59.54 | key2 | ? |
| 23:00.09 | abrotman | key2: which kind of CPU? |
| 23:00.14 | key2 | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ |
| 23:00.31 | owh | abrotman: How so? |
| 23:00.32 | key2 | i686 |
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| 23:01.14 | abrotman | key2: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fk%2Fkernel-image-2.6.11-i386%2Fkernel-image-2.6.11-1-686_2.6.11-7_i386.deb&md5sum=734f1fcfbac0365117c4821d93d2620c&arch=i386&type=main |
| 23:01.24 | abrotman | owh: he has to set all that stuff up .. more hassle than it's worth |
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| 23:01.43 | LightVision | whats "call option" ? |
| 23:01.44 | ongeboren | owh, if i am asking for help here it means I did RTFM and it wasn't enough. ok? |
| 23:01.47 | owh | abrotman: Fair comment, but what about dependencies for the kernel package? |
| 23:02.08 | key2 | ok |
| 23:02.10 | owh | ongeboren: Sure, but we don't actually know that. Many come here without knowing what a manual is :) |
| 23:02.17 | key2 | and once I have the .deb I install it as a normal .deb ? |
| 23:02.24 | owh | ongeboren: So, what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 23:02.35 | abrotman | owh: he'll know if it won't work :) |
| 23:02.38 | key2 | abrotman ? |
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| 23:02.43 | abrotman | key2: should work ok |
| 23:02.47 | owh | abrotman: ROTFL :) |
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| 23:03.01 | owh | abrotman: s/he'll/we'll/ |
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| 23:03.56 | ongeboren | owh, install a package that depends on another package, that changed its name but provides the same libs. i tried dpkg --force-depends but it gives me depends error instead of just warning |
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| 23:04.49 | ongeboren | so maybe it's not --force-depends.. that's why i'm in this friendly channel |
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| 23:04.57 | owh | ongeboren: So, are you saying that the package you're trying to install depends on the old name? |
| 23:05.14 | key2 | abrotman: ok sounds like it's workin, and If I ever need the kernel header, the sources are ok or I should download them from somewhere else ? |
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| 23:05.34 | abrotman | key2: get them all now and install them all :) |
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| 23:05.38 | abrotman | key2: just to make sure :) |
| 23:05.43 | gotcha | http://atomchip.com/_wsn/page4.html |
| 23:05.43 | owh | key2: You should *always* get them from the same place! |
| 23:05.46 | gotcha | O.o |
| 23:06.07 | ongeboren | gotcha, nice hoax.. |
| 23:06.19 | abrotman | gotcha: we can read slashdot too |
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| 23:07.02 | key2 | owh: where could I find the kernel-header of the 2.6.11 then ? |
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| 23:07.42 | TNKS | hi all. I noticed that there's a linux-source-2.6.12 package. Does anyone know of plans for a linux-source-2.6.13? I think it went stable a little while ago. |
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| 23:08.09 | Zenethian | Hrm, if base install fails right at initialization time saying it can't find "menu/.mnu" what would be a good course of action to take? :) |
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| 23:08.23 | ongeboren | owh, the package in question is valknut, it depends on libqt3c102-mt, which has been replaced by libqt3-mt and I do have the latest version |
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| 23:11.03 | ongeboren | umh, --force-all seems to work.. |
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| 23:12.00 | jim | Where do I get the java package for sarge? I believe that the package is something like J2Se? |
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| 23:12.19 | SwiftNinja | hi there \o/ |
| 23:12.56 | EdLin | jim: /msg dpkg java |
| 23:13.05 | abrotman | !tell jim about install java |
| 23:13.06 | SwiftNinja | I get strange problem while connecting to my router via HTTP (to configure it), |
| 23:13.11 | abrotman | jim: you should know this :) |
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| 23:13.20 | SwiftNinja | it works fine on Knoppix, but doesnt work on Debian, any idea why? |
| 23:13.44 | abrotman | what doesn't it do ? |
| 23:13.46 | EdLin | !topicbadger jim |
| 23:13.48 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that jim didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 23:13.49 | SwiftNinja | I checke with Ethereal, router resonds to TCP SYN correctly, but Debian box just ignores it and drops the connection |
| 23:14.03 | SwiftNinja | iptables are empty, and so on |
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| 23:15.11 | jim | Can I just change the debian repository info from main to contrib and then apt-get this package?? |
| 23:15.25 | SwiftNinja | its like the Debian box dont realize that the resonse is addressed to him and just drops it - and therefore TCP connection can't be estabblished (to configure the router via HTTP), it works from knoopix. Debian worked fine with other www pages. |
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| 23:16.26 | EdLin | jim: are you sure you aren't someone else posting from jim's computer? |
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| 23:16.50 | TNKS | abrotman, I was curious what dpkg had to say about java. . . seems it recommends free-java-sdk. Why not kaffe? Are there significant differences? |
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| 23:17.04 | abrotman | !tell TNKS about install java |
| 23:17.15 | abrotman | TNKS: i've tried using kaffe .. it sucks :) |
| 23:17.30 | abrotman | TNKS: iirc .. kaffe targets java1.1 or something |
| 23:17.30 | key2 | abrotman: I installed it but now the file /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/build is missing |
| 23:17.42 | abrotman | key2: what are you trying to build |
| 23:17.42 | jim | EdLin - ya, anyway, I added contrib section to apt and got it - |
| 23:17.58 | Hideki_ | I'm still having difficulty with my IP masquerading, even on the debian kernel, I'm using the script for 2.6 in the IP Masquerading howto and it fails on the $IPTABLES -tnat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXTIF -j MASQUERADE line saying can't initialize iptables table `-tnat' - modules are loaded... |
| 23:18.13 | EdLin | jim: you said you were going to *replace* main with contrib. That wouldn't have worked too well. :-) |
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| 23:18.39 | key2 | abrotman: the usb-atm module for my dsl modem |
| 23:18.54 | jethro | Hideki_: try '-t nat' |
| 23:18.55 | abrotman | !find 2.6.11-1-686/build etch |
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| 23:19.13 | key2 | !find 2.6.11-1-686/build etch |
| 23:19.14 | jim | EdLin - well, right - I meant add - what else should I add? non-free and contrib? Also, if I leave it as stable are these actually tested stable by debian like main is? |
| 23:19.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of '2.6.11-1-686/build' (1): (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/build) in devel/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686. |
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| 23:19.53 | TNKS | abrotman, I agree. . . I had issues with kaffe a while ago. The current testing version of kaffe is 2:1.1.5-3. . . that sounds current to me. Have you tried free-java-sdk? I'm not sure from it's version number what Java it targets. |
| 23:19.56 | nvz | oh man, the highschool marching band and color gaurd are a hoot. when I was there the band and the color gaurd was huge and well trained.. now theres like 30 band members 9 Color gaurd and they cant even stand still in time let alone play or march in time |
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| 23:20.12 | abrotman | TNKS: no . i just went for the sun sdk |
| 23:20.15 | abrotman | or jre .. wahtever |
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| 23:20.27 | UnWorldly | is there a way to make a normal debian install CD do a netinstall instead of uce the contents on the CD? |
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| 23:20.43 | funkyHat | yep |
| 23:20.46 | UnWorldly | how? |
| 23:20.49 | funkyHat | linux askmethod |
| 23:20.51 | TNKS | abrotman, yeah. me too. but I'll go back to license-clean packages if people back them. |
| 23:20.54 | funkyHat | as a boot paramater i believe |
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| 23:21.08 | dondelelcaro | UnWorldly: sure, just tell it to use the network instead of using packages on the cd. |
| 23:21.10 | funkyHat | or maybe it's 'expert' and that's fedora... i can't remember ;) |
| 23:21.11 | oigres | I've just installed xserver-xorg on my computer. Things are ok, except that when I edit /etc/xorg.conf by hand and restart the server, it seems that the changes made in /etc/xorg.conf are not loaded. What should I do in order to reload the configuration file? |
| 23:21.12 | EdLin | jim: I *think* contrib is supported, security.debian.org works with it added but doesn't like, IIRC, non-free, for example |
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| 23:21.15 | abrotman | TNKS: too iffy for a website :) |
| 23:21.15 | dondelelcaro | UnWorldly: it's all in how you set up your sources.list |
| 23:21.24 | Gathond | UnWorldly: exactly as with the netinstall afaic, just select network when it asks where to install packages from |
| 23:21.27 | funkyHat | dondelelcaro, for installing the OS, not downloadin packages |
| 23:21.41 | funkyHat | *downloading |
| 23:21.44 | key2 | abrotman: so where should I find the build ? |
| 23:21.46 | dondelelcaro | funkyHat: uh, they're on in the same thing. |
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| 23:21.51 | dondelelcaro | s/on/one/ |
| 23:21.53 | abrotman | key2: in the headers package |
| 23:21.55 | EdLin | oigres: it should be in /etc/X11 or one of the other paths X11 searches for it, not in plain /etc |
| 23:22.06 | UnWorldly | sometimes the installer doesnt offer the menu to select package sources and goest straight to the cd, how do I force it to allow me to choose net install? |
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| 23:22.17 | UnWorldly | linux askmethod like the other guy already said? |
| 23:22.18 | key2 | abrotman: so I should get the header package ? |
| 23:22.21 | funkyHat | dondelelcaro, yes, but it's pretty tricky to change /etc/apt/sources.list on a CD |
| 23:22.25 | dondelelcaro | UnWorldly: just use expert mode and skip the "insert packages" stuff |
| 23:22.28 | dondelelcaro | funkyHat: no it's not |
| 23:22.28 | key2 | abrotman: how do u find a package on the debian site ? |
| 23:22.32 | EdLin | !u |
| 23:22.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:22.36 | UnWorldly | alright, thank you |
| 23:22.37 | oigres | EdLin: Ohh, sorry, yes... s/\/etc\//\/etc\/X11\// |
| 23:22.42 | UnWorldly | see you all on the other side! |
| 23:22.44 | abrotman | key2: packages.debian.org/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 23:22.45 | dondelelcaro | funkyHat: it configures it in the installer, it's just about as straightforward as you can get |
| 23:23.01 | Gathond | funkyHat: but you dont, the installer asks where to install stuff from and builds a sources.list as appropiate and uses that to install the system |
| 23:23.06 | oigres | EdLin: in any case... What's wrong? |
| 23:23.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of '2.6.11-1-686/build' (2): (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/build) in devel/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 ;; (/usr/share/doc/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686/buildinfo.gz) in base/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686. |
| 23:23.26 | EdLin | oigres: what's wrong is that you're running sid and don't know what you're doing. |
| 23:23.27 | funkyHat | but the installer doesn't ask unless you use expert mode |
| 23:23.34 | abrotman | key2: packages.debian.org |
| 23:23.37 | abrotman | !tell key2 about search |
| 23:23.39 | Gathond | funkyHat: it did the last time I used it |
| 23:23.46 | dondelelcaro | funkyHat: its asked for mirrors the last few times I've used it |
| 23:23.51 | nvz | Gathond: no, you are thining of post-install base-config |
| 23:23.56 | funkyHat | oh. ok :) |
| 23:24.00 | Gathond | nvz: no Im not |
| 23:24.04 | funkyHat | well, it did ask me last time i installed |
| 23:24.06 | oigres | EdLin: Guau! After 10 years of running Debian someone clarifies my view! Thanks for the comment mate! |
| 23:24.13 | funkyHat | but that would be because i used the floppy/net method ;) |
| 23:24.19 | dondelelcaro | not that I really care anyway, since I usually just drop to a console and use debootstrap or cdebootstrap, but whatever. |
| 23:24.26 | Gathond | nvz: Im pretty sure it also asks where to install the base system from |
| 23:24.27 | neversaynever | how can i uninstall a package? |
| 23:24.38 | dondelelcaro | neversaynever: apt-get remove foopackage; man apt-get; |
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| 23:25.00 | amanda | it |
| 23:25.08 | nvz | Gathond: mine dont but both my D-I cds are netinst mini ISOs I burned to 3in cds and they are pre-release betas |
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| 23:25.34 | EdLin | oigres: assuming you really did restart X, look around the disk for other instances of xorg.conf that could be loading instead, also make sure you really did edit xorg.conf and not some other file. |
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| 23:25.47 | nvz | Gathond: I need to make a new one so I know what its like, and so I dont have to upgrade everything in base I normally install from cd |
| 23:25.53 | neversaynever | dondelelcaro, thanx |
| 23:26.02 | Gathond | nvz: It might have beed woody I used though |
| 23:26.07 | key2 | abrotman: installed it, and the file /lib/modules/kernel-image.../build is still not there |
| 23:26.08 | EdLin | oigres: of course, the problem could simply be that you're running sid or testing and xorg is broken. |
| 23:26.16 | Gathond | dont do all that many installations |
| 23:26.19 | abrotman | key2: dpkg said it should be! |
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| 23:26.54 | oigres | EdLin: works fine for as much as I can tell!!! I've got in on AMD64's running smoothly! |
| 23:27.03 | dondelelcaro | key2: did you install the kernel-headers package? |
| 23:27.03 | dfinn | anybody here using wlan-ng on sarge? i think i'm pretty close to having it working but not quite there |
| 23:27.04 | nvz | I do lots of installations I just havent burned cds since sarge released. I burned the first 5 ISOs for someone the day it released all my personal stash are before the release and pretty old |
| 23:27.11 | key2 | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 23:27.12 | dondelelcaro | key2: what does dpkg -L kernel-header-foo-bar-baz; say? |
| 23:27.26 | oigres | EdLin: sid and testing versions are perfectly fine as far as I can tell anyway! |
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| 23:27.41 | EdLin | oigres: then obviously you shouldn't be experiencing problems. |
| 23:27.57 | dondelelcaro | key2: if it says it should be there (which it should) then just reinstall the package. |
| 23:28.27 | oigres | EdLin: the situation is not as simple. Out of 15 machines I'm having a small problem with one! |
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| 23:28.48 | nvz | dfinn: then maybe you should ask a better question including what you have tried and what has failed instead of taking a usage poll that couldnt possibly gain you the information you seek. |
| 23:29.16 | key2 | dondelelcaro: it gives me the list of the file but there is only the build.h in it |
| 23:29.19 | key2 | not the binaty |
| 23:29.22 | key2 | not the binary |
| 23:29.23 | nvz | dfinn: people rather know what specifically the problem is before they take a guess and have you trying to single them out and pick their brain |
| 23:29.27 | dfinn | sorry, the prism2 module(s) are being loaded. but iwconfig wlan0 says " |
| 23:29.39 | EdLin | oigres: then you're problem is you're mainitaining 15 machines running sid. |
| 23:29.49 | dfinn | no wireless extensions" |
| 23:30.09 | dfinn | but an ifconfig wlan0 shows it |
| 23:30.29 | Hideki_ | ahh, all working, it was the -tnat, thanks -.o |
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| 23:30.48 | Hideki_ | well and the fact I'd failed to masquerad tun0 |
| 23:30.58 | dondelelcaro | key2: eh? and this is what version of the kernel-headers package? |
| 23:31.05 | dondelelcaro | key2: give us the dpkg -l output for it |
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| 23:31.11 | dondelelcaro | (well minus the top half) |
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| 23:31.46 | _meppl_ | gute nacht |
| 23:31.58 | dfinn | i should be getting info from iwconfig correct? |
| 23:32.03 | owh | Can someone hit me on the head with a clue-bat? Why would this not show the touched file? tar -jcf latte.tar.bz2 latte ; touch latte/zulu ; tar -jdf latte.tar.bz2 latte |
| 23:32.33 | js_ | what does "flags : ht" mean in /proc/cpuinfo? does it mean hyperthreading? |
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| 23:32.56 | Guerin | js_: 1 |
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| 23:33.44 | js_ | Guerin: groovy! |
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| 23:34.11 | dimitrije | sta je trnenseri |
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| 23:35.31 | Serpentwolf | hi. |
| 23:35.46 | Zenethian | Hrm, if base install fails right at initialization time saying it can't find "menu/.mnu" what would be a good course of action to take? :) |
| 23:35.53 | Serpentwolf | how would i unmount /var since its "in use" ... i am hoping to resize it in parted ? |
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| 23:36.34 | nvz | Serpentwolf: maybe from single user or a boot cd |
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| 23:37.01 | Serpentwolf | nvz ok yeah actually that makes sense. |
| 23:37.36 | js_ | Guerin: i installed an smp kernel, but i only see one cpu in /proc/cpuinfo.. i remember there were 2 cpus in there when i tried smp on a ht kernel some time ago.. has this changed? |
| 23:37.44 | Serpentwolf | got any advice for me in your opinion? my / is too small, and /var too big, i cant think of another way than to resize var? |
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| 23:39.10 | Guerin | js_: no idea, i don't use hypethreading |
| 23:39.16 | nvz | Serpentwolf: no idea. maybe if you put df -Th output into a pastebin or something we could try make an educated guess |
| 23:39.39 | Zenethian | js_: hyperthreading has to be specifically enabled for smp |
| 23:39.40 | Serpentwolf | nvz will do... appreciated |
| 23:39.48 | js_ | Zenethian: how so? |
| 23:39.57 | Zenethian | by compiling it that way. |
| 23:40.00 | Guerin | Zenethian: debian smp kernels have ht enabled |
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| 23:40.10 | js_ | Guerin: great |
| 23:40.16 | Zenethian | Maybe the one he has doesn't? :-/ |
| 23:40.46 | Zenethian | well, this sucks a lot. I will have to completely wipe and restart this installation. |
| 23:40.48 | Zenethian | grr |
| 23:40.49 | nvz | hmm I just got a code 300 "Multiple Choices" from a server instead of a 404 "File Not Found" it tried to guess as if I made a typo |
| 23:40.51 | js_ | Zenethian: that depends on if two cpus are supposed to show in cpuinfo or not |
| 23:41.05 | nvz | I've never seen that before |
| 23:41.09 | Guerin | nvz: that sounds crazy |
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| 23:41.34 | nvz | Guerin: I typed priv011 and it suggested I meant priv001 or priv010 which exist |
| 23:41.41 | Serpentwolf | nvz http://rafb.net/paste/results/RjTArm20.html |
| 23:41.49 | Guerin | nvz: freakshow |
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| 23:42.54 | nvz | Serpentwolf: looks to me like you should boot from a cd and make /dev/hda2 /var and /dev/hda3 / and /dev/hda5 /home :P |
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| 23:43.15 | kreg | anyone used a promise fasttrack 66 raid card before? curious if they work in linux. |
| 23:43.26 | nvz | Serpentwolf: you got horrible foresight |
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| 23:43.49 | Serpentwolf | nvz you WONT believe me if i told you its a typo upon install ? heh... |
| 23:43.59 | Serpentwolf | well every kind of move here, will be risky |
| 23:44.03 | Serpentwolf | so i have nothing to lose |
| 23:44.26 | nvz | Serpentwolf: if you have _nothing_ to loose you should reinstall ffs, that is just wack |
| 23:44.41 | elkid | has somebody ever tried garnome? |
| 23:44.57 | DoppelGanger | !somebody |
| 23:44.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, somebody is a person , who has a body |
| 23:45.07 | nvz | Serpentwolf: unless thats a mail or www server that puts everything in /var I cant see why you made /var 12GB and / less than 1gb and /home only 5.5 |
| 23:45.07 | Serpentwolf | nvz well losing configs... but thanks, reinstall it is |
| 23:45.13 | Guerin | elkid: somebody in #gnome on irc.gnome.org has |
| 23:45.17 | ryanakca | !microsoft |
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| 23:45.25 | elkid | haha |
| 23:45.31 | ryanakca | meh |
| 23:45.37 | ryanakca | no comments about them |
| 23:45.44 | nvz | Serpentwolf: on a desktop /home should take the majority of your space cause its where everything is going to go.. and will be the biggest growing dir |
| 23:45.50 | Guerin | elkid: its use on debian is Not Recommended |
| 23:46.02 | elkid | Guerin: Why not? |
| 23:46.17 | Serpentwolf | nvz thanks. |
| 23:46.29 | nvz | Serpentwolf: which you can see from the df output is true in your case your home is more than 50% full already |
| 23:46.30 | js_ | does "siblings" in cpuinfo got something to do with hypterthreading? if so, i guess 1 sibling would confirm something |
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| 23:47.30 | Serpentwolf | nvz appreciate the advice... guess im gonna find a cdrom, and redo everything... |
| 23:47.35 | Serpentwolf | *everything* |
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| 23:48.38 | nvz | Serpentwolf: you got plent enough space on /dev/hda6 to back it all up if you just want to shuffle things around |
| 23:49.06 | elkid | when ppl is going to move the gnome2.10 to sarge or testing |
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| 23:49.11 | Vlatt | re |
| 23:49.28 | DoppelGanger | ply |
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| 23:50.06 | litage | i've read the pkg descriptions but am unsure as to the advantages of apache-ssl over apache. if you install apache-ssl, are all webpages served via https? |
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| 23:50.26 | nvz | Serpentwolf: I would move all of /dev/hda5 into a folder called var/ on /dev/hda6 then move all of /dev/hda2 there as well and then /home and then your whole system is on /dev/hda6 and you can repartition the other 6GB or so of what seems to be a 20GB drive and either move it back or reinstall and just move back what you need to restore.. and make /dev/hda6 /home when its all said and done |
| 23:50.41 | nvz | s/hda5/hda6/ |
| 23:50.48 | fanopanic | litage: if you configure it that way... yeah, sure. |
| 23:51.01 | Serpentwolf | nvz excellent idea ! |
| 23:51.46 | litage | fanopanic: what's the point of apache-ssl? |
| 23:52.11 | nvz | Serpentwolf: actually if its a 20GB you probably have like 2Gb of swap which you may be wasting for the most part too |
| 23:52.24 | owh | litage: To provide https. |
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| 23:53.01 | nvz | Serpentwolf: again you have to better consider the purpose of this machine.. it looks to me that if you had a 12G /var and 2G swap you are running a decent size mail or web server.. if its a desktop you really need to make changes to reflect that |
| 23:53.44 | Serpentwolf | its a "server in the corner of the garage" type of thing, it managed our local ftp/wireless/IM/apache |
| 23:54.13 | nvz | Serpentwolf: you can even do away with a swap all together if you have 2GB worth right now.. and just use swap files on a partition so that if you decide later you dont want to waste that much swap space its easier to change |
| 23:54.31 | fanopanic | litage: I would say apache-ssl has SSL support, apache does not? |
| 23:54.41 | Serpentwolf | nvz sure thing |
| 23:54.59 | Guerin | elkid: the use of anything that's not an official debian package is NOt Recommended |
| 23:55.20 | nvz | Serpentwolf: thats only if you are noticing cat /proc/meminfo shows you are mostly wasting a large ammount of space there and you want to reclaim it.. |
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| 23:55.49 | nvz | Serpentwolf: its easy to make swap files and turn them on and off at any time.. its not so easy to reclaim a swap partitions space |
| 23:56.14 | Serpentwolf | nvz well, performance issues... isnt a swap file slower ? |
| 23:57.23 | nvz | Serpentwolf: not sure.. swap in general is much slower than ram. and in most cases you dont want to use it. its just there as a failsafe to prevent the system from running out of memory.. and to buffer disk caches and such to improve performance of things that more urgently need the ram |
| 23:57.24 | Guerin | not much slower than swap in general |
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| 23:57.41 | Guerin | if your server is dipping into swap for anything, ever, it needs more ram |
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| 23:57.55 | nvz | I agree |
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