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| 00:01.06 | XaMaD | hello, somebody know if ftw() is portable ? |
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| 00:02.19 | newbie_ | asg: are you here? |
| 00:03.37 | newbie_ | Getting this APACHE2 error: Address already in use: make_sock: could not bid to address 192.168.1.130:1600 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs..... does this look familiar to anybody? |
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| 00:05.34 | pem3v78 | newbie_: seems like there is a process already listening on port 1600, check it with 'netcat -lnp' with root to identyfiy the process |
| 00:05.39 | lakcaj | newbie_, do you already have something listening on port 1600? Are you trying to start two instances of apache? |
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| 00:06.29 | pem3v78 | sorry 'netstat -lnp' |
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| 00:08.35 | Serpentwolf | ok, debian just owns... k thx. the end.... |
| 00:08.47 | Serpentwolf | lakcaj thanks for the support. appreciated |
| 00:09.08 | lakcaj | np at all |
| 00:09.39 | jNoobie | error on line -1 of /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/openssl.cnf |
| 00:09.39 | newbie_ | pem3v78/lakcaj: can I paster the results? |
| 00:09.40 | jNoobie | :( |
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| 00:10.48 | coolball | how do I setup a higher screen resolution in KDE and Gnome? |
| 00:11.02 | coolball | xf86config? |
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| 00:11.11 | shingouz | !tell coolball about drxx |
| 00:11.14 | lakcaj | !tell newbie_ about pastebin |
| 00:11.19 | jNoobie | I'm following the howto at http://openvpn.net/howto.html, and when I got to ./build-ca, I get "error on line -1 of /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/openssl.cnf 7995:error:02001002:system library:fopen:No such file or directory:bss_file.c:104:fopen('/usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/openssl.cnf','rb') 7995:error:2006D080:BIO routines:BIO_new_file:no such file:bss_file.c:107: 7995:error:0E064072:configuration file routines:CO |
| 00:11.37 | newbie_ | I don't have PM privileges, all. |
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| 00:11.45 | newbie_ | here's the paster output of my netstat: http://channels.debian.net/paste/674 |
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| 00:12.34 | Chmee | what would be a good channel in which to enlist support for a hurricane relief project? We need IT volunteers |
| 00:12.34 | pem3v78 | it's clear that process "9441/nc" is the reason |
| 00:13.14 | newbie_ | pem: what is that?? |
| 00:13.42 | lakcaj | Chmee, did you try #linux? |
| 00:13.51 | Chmee | i will. thanks |
| 00:14.01 | pem3v78 | don't know, look inside installed packages and /etc/init.d for start scripts |
| 00:14.09 | shingouz | Chmee: #freenode seems to contain some ircops, they might have a pretty good idea too |
| 00:14.22 | newbie_ | pem: for something called "nc" ? |
| 00:14.24 | Chmee | where can i find them? |
| 00:14.32 | Chmee | i know they have a channel of their own |
| 00:14.40 | Chmee | but i've forgotten what it is |
| 00:14.41 | shingouz | !tell newbie_ about nicktab |
| 00:14.57 | shingouz | Chmee: /join #freenode |
| 00:14.59 | Om | Chmee, where can you find IRCops? |
| 00:15.01 | Om | #freenode |
| 00:15.08 | Chmee | thanks |
| 00:15.34 | newbie_ | pem3v78: cool.. just learned a IRC trick for typing usernames.. thanks shingouz |
| 00:15.45 | shingouz | newbie_: np |
| 00:15.45 | Chmee | I suppose I need a registered nick to talk in #freenode |
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| 00:16.07 | cheal | Chmee: no, just wait |
| 00:16.14 | Chmee | ok |
| 00:16.16 | cheal | hum, well, I may be wrong |
| 00:16.18 | XaMaD | hello, somebody know if ftw() is portable ? |
| 00:16.22 | shingouz | Chmee: you just need to wait there for a while, it is a moderated channel, you will be voiced when someone sees you there |
| 00:16.29 | cheal | better try registered indeed |
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| 00:17.02 | Serpentwolf | drxx? |
| 00:17.09 | dvs | !drxx |
| 00:17.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:17.13 | Serpentwolf | thanks |
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| 00:17.25 | dvs | Serpentwolf: What was the question? ;-) |
| 00:17.42 | Serpentwolf | dvs no i was following up on someone else's question |
| 00:17.49 | dvs | oh ok |
| 00:17.51 | shingouz | dvs: the answer is 42 :p |
| 00:17.53 | pem3v78 | newbie_: maybe 'which nc' gives you a hint ? |
| 00:18.00 | shingouz | Serpentwolf: you can also /msg dpkg |
| 00:18.10 | dvs | shingouz: yeah! I'll buy that on Tuesday! |
| 00:18.25 | shingouz | dvs: dobermann |
| 00:19.24 | newbie_ | pem3v78: just rebooted and it looks like that port was freed, but I still get that same apache error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/675 |
| 00:19.46 | astronut | shingouz: .deb |
| 00:19.53 | dvs | Does server-xorg use that xorg.conf file now? |
| 00:20.17 | shingouz | astronut: oh, of course. that is why i am getting some errors here, goes to show i really need the caffeine |
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| 00:20.26 | newbie_ | pem3v78: this server's address is 192.168.1.130 and I'd like to force the port to be 1600 |
| 00:20.33 | astronut | shingouz: :-P |
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| 00:21.03 | pem3v78 | what's the output |
| 00:21.12 | newbie_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/675 |
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| 00:21.23 | pem3v78 | the error |
| 00:21.34 | Kovecses | hello gang |
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| 00:22.36 | newbie_ | pem3v78: Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.168.1.130:1600 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs. |
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| 00:23.14 | Kovecses | newbie_, are you running sarge? |
| 00:23.30 | newbie_ | yes, running sarge. |
| 00:23.48 | newbie_ | is this a common problem with sarge? |
| 00:23.53 | Kovecses | i dont understand why there are so many people in here and only a few talk |
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| 00:24.11 | Kovecses | newbie_, no ........ i was just wondering |
| 00:24.22 | amphi | Kovecses: "a host of phantom listeners" ;) |
| 00:24.26 | pem3v78 | bewbie_: is this standard installation ? |
| 00:24.31 | newbie_ | Kovecses: I feel like I'm doing enuff talking for the rest of'm.. and maybe if they spoke up, they might feel like they gotta help a newb with his sill questions. |
| 00:24.48 | newbie_ | yes. I used base-config to setup the webserver. |
| 00:24.56 | Kovecses | newbie_, what is your problem....i just joined and didnt see it |
| 00:24.57 | pem3v78 | I'm asking coz there seems to be problem with file permissions, can't write to log files |
| 00:25.03 | ferris_ | need a little help..... when i ./configure, I get this error..... configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***, but when i apt-get install libglib1.2.2 cannot be found |
| 00:25.29 | ferris_ | any suggestions for newb |
| 00:25.32 | newbie_ | Kovecses: I get this error, trying to start apache2: Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.168.1.130:1600 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs. |
| 00:26.09 | amphi | ferris_: try libglib1.2 |
| 00:26.11 | cheal | !wayc ferris_ |
| 00:26.12 | dpkg | ferris_: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 00:26.19 | newbie_ | pem3v78: maybe my apache logs aren't configured right.. just like everything else with this apache2 configuration. |
| 00:26.20 | Kovecses | ferris_, apt-et install libglib1.2-dev |
| 00:26.30 | amphi | ferris_: apt-cache search libglib would have told you |
| 00:27.01 | ferris_ | yes, i did that amphi |
| 00:27.19 | newbie_ | pem3v78 / Kovecses: any idears? |
| 00:27.44 | Kovecses | newbie_, i have never even used apache so i have not a clue |
| 00:27.52 | Kovecses | newbie_, google it |
| 00:28.12 | newbie_ | Kovecses: seems a lotta people have posted this error in forums, but there hasn't been a solution posted. |
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| 00:28.46 | newbie_ | pem3v78: would you show me a proper way to revert apache2 to defaults and maybe we could troubleshoot from there>? |
| 00:28.53 | Kovecses | newbie_, the thing about linux is there is ALWAYS a fix.......finding it can be a pain in the ass sometimes |
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| 00:28.59 | Danar | can someone help me get gnome installed? |
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| 00:29.05 | Danar | http://rafb.net/paste/results/EXpZgR89.html |
| 00:29.09 | Plazma | newbie_ you can do nearly anything your heart desires iwth linux these days |
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| 00:29.17 | newbie_ | Kovecses: I used to think that.. but I've been trying to get mysql/php/apache up for two days now. |
| 00:29.36 | Kovecses | Danar, just apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 00:29.42 | newbie_ | Kovecses: ...and whomever knows what's going on with this machine and how to fix it, will be my certified hero. |
| 00:29.49 | pem3v78 | newbie_: which version is apache2 ? |
| 00:29.51 | amphi | Danar: what version is that? |
| 00:29.56 | Plazma | Koveces, why not gnome-core hehe |
| 00:29.59 | Danar | Kovecses: i just want gnome-core for now, and see paste |
| 00:30.01 | newbie_ | pem3v78: yes, apache2 |
| 00:30.17 | Kovecses | Danar, oh |
| 00:30.21 | Danar | amphi: which? |
| 00:30.27 | Danar | oh, 64 |
| 00:30.29 | Kovecses | Danar, try using -f |
| 00:30.36 | Kovecses | Danar, oops not that |
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| 00:30.49 | Kovecses | Danar, --force |
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| 00:31.09 | Danar | Kovecses: that could break something.. |
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| 00:31.32 | Kovecses | Danar, well........then install the other packages |
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| 00:31.59 | CaT[tm] | dagnabbit security.do is slow. |
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| 00:32.10 | Danar | it should install them automatically, but obviously there's a conflict somewhere |
| 00:32.17 | newbie_ | pem3v78: What does that even MEAN: "no listening sockets available" |
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| 00:32.31 | Plazma | Danar, that is odd.. usualy if you do gnome-core it installes the other's as dependencies |
| 00:32.37 | Danar | i've tried, but i keep getting other, problems |
| 00:32.47 | Kovecses | Danar, what does your sources.list look like? |
| 00:32.50 | doleyb | newbie_: why apache2? apache (1) is still more popular. |
| 00:32.53 | Danar | and when i try to narrow it down, it eventually comes down to the same thing |
| 00:32.58 | Danar | Plazma: right... |
| 00:33.05 | jNoobie | What does this mean? "Starting virtual private network daemon: FAILED-> server." |
| 00:33.05 | green_earz | newbie_: have you used the ln -s for the host config setup ? if so remove and you are back to sqare one. |
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| 00:33.16 | drizzle | hello |
| 00:33.18 | Plazma | lol @ a newb trying to do a vpn |
| 00:33.19 | newbie_ | doleyb: that's the one that is installed in the base-config |
| 00:33.24 | Danar | Kovecses: using one i made with apt-spy |
| 00:33.30 | jNoobie | Plazma: what's wrong with that? |
| 00:33.37 | Kovecses | Danar, thats the problem |
| 00:33.47 | Plazma | jnoobie. nothing at all acutally, just felt like saying it, more power to you :D |
| 00:33.54 | newbie_ | green_earz: good to hear from you again.. as you can see, I'm still on the same problem I was on yesterdsay.. what's ln -s? |
| 00:33.56 | Danar | i don't think so |
| 00:34.03 | Kovecses | am i just stupid for using debian as a desktop? |
| 00:34.12 | Kovecses | Danar, i do |
| 00:34.16 | Plazma | Kovecses, not at all.. Debian runs solid as a desktop |
| 00:34.17 | amphi | Kovecses: why would you think that? |
| 00:34.26 | Plazma | Debian sarge and even sid runs rock solid on my box |
| 00:34.29 | Plazma | fast too |
| 00:34.31 | jNoobie | Plazma: I know how to use linux, I just don't find that error message very informative. It doesn't tell me where it fails or anything, so it's kind of hard for me to figure out where to look... |
| 00:34.48 | lakcaj | jNoobie, are there no log files in /var/log? |
| 00:34.50 | Plazma | jnoobie, dont take offence to that or anything |
| 00:34.53 | Kovecses | yeah ive been using debian for 3 years now |
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| 00:35.18 | Plazma | At first i wanst happy with debian, but i was using the old stable versions and what not.. then i moved up to sarge and was a bit happier. now im on sid and man it flies |
| 00:35.21 | Danar | Kovecses: it's not my sources.list |
| 00:35.21 | newbie_ | green_earz: I'm using whatever the base-config configured for me... |
| 00:35.23 | Kovecses | its just that i get flamed alot for using it as my "main" desktop |
| 00:35.37 | Plazma | Koveces, those who flame, are flamers :) |
| 00:35.52 | Kovecses | Plazma, very good point |
| 00:36.03 | amphi | Kovecses: by whom? |
| 00:36.05 | Plazma | Koveces, dont fret of what some of those die hard zealots think or say, hell an OS is an OS brings the hardware to the user.. doesnt matter what it is |
| 00:36.26 | jNoobie | hrm... What should I use instead of group "nobody" on debian? |
| 00:36.28 | Plazma | I have my preferences like everyone else, but still, i respect and have used many differnet OS |
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| 00:36.38 | jNoobie | nvm. nogroup |
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| 00:37.11 | etchian | How can I prevent a sound daemon from blocking some apps to the sound card? |
| 00:37.12 | Danar | fixed it |
| 00:37.23 | Danar | had to set my default repository to unstable |
| 00:37.24 | Kovecses | if i change my sources.list to unstable........then apt-get dist-upgrade.... is that the standard way to get sid or is there a better way? |
| 00:37.33 | Plazma | Koveces, i remember when i was a complete noob on mandrake,, people kept on going on and making fun of me for it.. at the time i was upset, but then i realized how insecure they are in life so |
| 00:37.40 | Kovecses | Danar, i told ya |
| 00:37.42 | amphi | Kovecses: that is the way |
| 00:37.59 | piem | etchian: use dmix in your ~/.asoundrc |
| 00:37.59 | amphi | Plazma: how reassuring ;) |
| 00:38.00 | Danar | i'm effectively running unstable, and am taking the slow way back to testing |
| 00:38.04 | green_earz | newbie_: to use apache2. remove the stuff you put for your host and you need to learn how to ln -s your host config. |
| 00:38.06 | Danar | Kovecses: and you were wrong |
| 00:38.21 | etchian | k, piem |
| 00:38.22 | Kovecses | Danar, no i told you it was your sources.list AND IT WAS |
| 00:38.28 | Danar | i didn't alter my sources.list... |
| 00:38.28 | Plazma | amphi, eh i just dont see the point why people get such a thrill in making fun of peoples choice of hardware or OS's |
| 00:38.40 | Gathond | Plazma: just ignore them :) |
| 00:38.41 | green_earz | green_earz: i just looking for some examples |
| 00:38.41 | Plazma | its like "OMG im not using the same stuff as you.. sue me" |
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| 00:38.58 | Kovecses | Danar, what did you do then? |
| 00:38.59 | green_earz | newbie_: i just looking for some examples |
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| 00:39.07 | Plazma | Gathond, oh i do, but i wasnt always like i am now.. so i tend to try to defend and help out the more newbish |
| 00:39.08 | Gathond | Kovecses: using apt-get (or aptitiude or whatever) is the way to go to unstable |
| 00:39.15 | Danar | Kovecses: in synaptic, set the default repository to unstable |
| 00:39.24 | lakcaj | Kovecses, I would s/stable/unstable/g your sources.list file, then apt-get update && apt-get install apt && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:39.26 | Danar | rather than testing |
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| 00:39.31 | Kovecses | Danar, yes and that in turn changes your sources.list |
| 00:39.32 | Danar | and now i'll set it back |
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| 00:39.49 | amphi | Plazma: nor me - I was joking |
| 00:40.01 | Plazma | amphi.. i know i was too i think |
| 00:40.10 | Plazma | wait |
| 00:40.16 | Danar | Kovecses: no it doesn't |
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| 00:40.26 | dondelelcaro | Kovecses: you're familiar with the bts, apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges, and the ongoing transitions in unstable, right? |
| 00:40.36 | Kovecses | Danar, umm yes it does |
| 00:40.41 | danieldg | when I resize a terminal in an SSH session, nothing happens. It worked |
| 00:40.47 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro, not really |
| 00:40.47 | danieldg | before my last ssh-server upgrade. How would I fix this? |
| 00:40.53 | Danar | i haven't set it back yet, and it's identical to what it was. hasn't been changed |
| 00:41.07 | dondelelcaro | Kovecses: well, then I'd strongly suggest staying with testing (or stable) until you've learned a bit about those tools... |
| 00:41.33 | newbie_ | green_earz: please, please show me how? |
| 00:41.36 | green_earz | newbie_: ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and check out the ln -s for the default host |
| 00:41.39 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro, all i really want is gnome 2.10 or 2.12 |
| 00:41.39 | Plazma | doneld, what tools are you talking of? |
| 00:41.49 | dondelelcaro | Kovecses: so get a backport of those to stable. |
| 00:41.59 | Plazma | donald >> dondle |
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| 00:42.16 | dondelelcaro | Plazma: uh... neither of those are my nick... but regardless, read above. |
| 00:42.17 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro, what are the repos for backports? |
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| 00:42.26 | Plazma | donele.. my bad :D |
| 00:42.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell Kovecses -about backport |
| 00:42.33 | Kovecses | thank you |
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| 00:42.47 | Plazma | !tell Plazma -about backport |
| 00:42.57 | newbie_ | green_earz: ls-l for that directory = 0 |
| 00:42.59 | Plazma | i need to brush up on that myself |
| 00:43.02 | dondelelcaro | Plazma: you can /msg the bot... /msg dpkg backport; in this case; /msg dpkg help for more information |
| 00:43.02 | Plazma | and dpgk is my friend |
| 00:43.08 | Plazma | ahh cool |
| 00:43.23 | nil | dpkg is a bot |
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| 00:43.48 | goldnlink | google is my best friend and it's a website. so... :) |
| 00:43.49 | zinx | nil: ... but dpkg is already something else ... |
| 00:43.51 | etchian | piem, I don't have a ~/.asoundrc file |
| 00:43.54 | green_earz | newbie_: learn how the default as been setup with ln -s then you got it. use it as a template |
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| 00:44.33 | nil | noooo, IRC is the best ^_^ |
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| 00:45.33 | Plazma | i love dpkg |
| 00:45.39 | Plazma | i wonder if i can tell him that |
| 00:45.41 | jcurry | if i install initng, will it break my system (using sid)? what are the advantages? is it faster? is it prettier? |
| 00:45.47 | Plazma | !dpgk i love you |
| 00:45.51 | Plazma | !i love you |
| 00:45.51 | dpkg | I love you too, plazma. |
| 00:45.55 | Plazma | OMG yes! |
| 00:45.57 | Plazma | i knew it |
| 00:45.58 | jcurry | awww |
| 00:46.11 | Plazma | i did it one time and it said he didnt love me |
| 00:46.13 | Plazma | so this shocked me |
| 00:46.17 | brothers | !<3 |
| 00:46.32 | green_earz | newbie_: you do not put your host config in the main apache config file in apache2. it in sites-enabled or mods-available sorry i wish pritty new self the its set method |
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| 00:47.13 | dondelelcaro | you just drop the host configuration into /etc/apache2/conf.d or some other directory that is Included into the main httpd.conf |
| 00:47.17 | aeronadix | I use exim and mutt, does my sent mail get saved anywhere? |
| 00:47.25 | green_earz | newbie_: sorry not mods-available but sites-available |
| 00:47.31 | dondelelcaro | aeronadix: depends on your mutt configuration. Generally it does set an Fcc. |
| 00:47.49 | jcurry | is there any way to make my init boot process prettier? like adding color? do i have to rewrite all my init scripts? |
| 00:47.52 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro, gnome 2.10 isnt even in backports it seems |
| 00:48.37 | Plazma | Kovecses, you seem knowledgable enough, just try out sid, if your careful youll be fine, course read up on what dondel said, |
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| 00:49.10 | Kovecses | Plazma, i dont even care if it breaks.......im not scared ive got nothing to lose |
| 00:49.26 | dondelelcaro | Plazma: please don't recommend stuff like that unless you're willing to support the people who you recommend it to. |
| 00:49.37 | Plazma | Koveces, then its your call.. i did sid on a vmware session had no problems what so ever with it,, runs great too even on the minimal hardware i have specified to it |
| 00:49.41 | dondelelcaro | especially since that upgrade is one way only. |
| 00:49.58 | Plazma | if hes got nothing to loose then hell yea id shoot for it |
| 00:50.01 | Kovecses | yeah and if i dont like it..................fdisk reinstall |
| 00:50.10 | Plazma | ill drink to that |
| 00:50.14 | Kovecses | no biggie |
| 00:50.20 | green_earz | dondelelcaro: that the old method is an it ? but now its the method of ln -s with the sites-enabled and sites-available ? |
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| 00:50.42 | newbie_ | green_earz: I ln -s default from available to enabled, then changed the * to "linux", my server name, and just below <VirtualHost *> to <VirtualHost linux> |
| 00:50.42 | dondelelcaro | green_earz: it doesn't matter, you can do it either way |
| 00:50.51 | newbie_ | green_earz: still getting the same error. |
| 00:50.53 | green_earz | ok thanks |
| 00:51.14 | dondelelcaro | newbie_: you want <VirtualHost *>; what is the exact error that you are getting and the content of the relevant configuration file? |
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| 00:51.19 | dondelelcaro | newbie_: paste it using the paster bot |
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| 00:52.35 | jNoobie | What windows-client should I use for connecting to a Linux-based OpenVPN server? |
| 00:53.06 | newbie_ | dondelelcaro: my apache2 error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/676 |
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| 00:53.30 | bob2 | jNoobie: presumably openvpn |
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| 00:54.13 | dondelelcaro | newbie_: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop; then netstat -plunt; to make sure that nothing is listening on that port, then restart apache. |
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| 00:56.01 | Kovecses | does upgrading to sid change the kernel? |
| 00:56.10 | dondelelcaro | Kovecses: not unless you tell it to |
| 00:56.16 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro, good |
| 00:56.37 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro, i dont want the 2.6.13 release candidate |
| 00:56.45 | newbie_ | dondelelcaro: did that, same error |
| 00:57.27 | dondelelcaro | newbie_: uh, then you didn't do the middle step: netstat -plunt; to make sure that nothing is listening on that port |
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| 00:57.35 | dondelelcaro | newbie_: because something is listening on 1600 |
| 00:57.40 | newbie_ | dondelelcaro: don't know if this helps, but here's my directory structure for apache2: http://channels.debian.net/paste/677 |
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| 00:57.55 | `Ku | Why will xwindows not install when I goto U then G |
| 00:58.00 | newbie_ | dondelelcaro: I'll paster the netstat report |
| 00:58.03 | `Ku | Update and Install |
| 00:58.15 | dondelelcaro | `Ku: you mean u then U then g? |
| 00:58.26 | jcurry | if i install initng, will it break my system (using sid)? what are the advantages? is it faster? is it prettier? |
| 00:58.36 | dondelelcaro | `Ku: you'll have to give us a bit more information, and it would also be better to give us the command line output (aptitude update; aptitude upgrade;) |
| 00:59.00 | green_earz | newbie_: what happens on a different port ? a test say port 1800 |
| 00:59.13 | newbie_ | dondelelcaro: my netstat report: http://channels.debian.net/paste/678 |
| 00:59.16 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: possibly, and the rest of the stuff is explained in the Description: of it... |
| 00:59.21 | pem3v78 | what's the content of 'port' file ? |
| 00:59.34 | newbie_ | green_earz: I'll give it a try.. is the only place I need to change it in the apache2.conf and the ports.conf ? |
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| 01:00.04 | Gathond | newbie_: might also have to change any virtualhosts in sites-enabled |
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| 01:01.53 | newbie_ | i'll paster the content of the port file (pem3v78) and the sites-enabled/default (Gathond), if you like. |
| 01:02.01 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, ok, i see it...i feel like such an idiot now |
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| 01:02.46 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, is there any way to make my boot process have color (like rh/fedora) without editing all the init scripts? is there a good reason that debian doesn't do this by default? |
| 01:02.48 | Gathond | newbie_: no thanks, was just an off comment to it :) |
| 01:03.09 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: the reason why we don't do it by default is that it's impossible to know what sort of device the tty is at that point in time |
| 01:03.24 | newbie_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/679 |
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| 01:03.47 | jNoobie | How can I get PAM lib libpam.so? What package is it in? |
| 01:03.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell jNoobie -about search |
| 01:04.04 | newbie_ | green_earz: did that netstat report help at all? |
| 01:04.06 | dondelelcaro | !find libpam |
| 01:04.07 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libpam' (15 of 31): libpam-ccreds ;; libpam-chroot ;; libpam-cracklib ;; libpam-devperm ;; libpam-doc ;; libpam-dotfile ;; libpam-heimdal ;; libpam-krb5 ;; libpam-ldap ;; libpam-modules ;; libpam-mount ;; libpam-musclecard ;; libpam-mysql ;; libpam-ncp ;; libpam-openafs-kaserver. |
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| 01:04.28 | jNoobie | Which one? |
| 01:04.29 | D13GU___ | how to install Xorg in Debian Sarge? |
| 01:04.30 | dondelelcaro | !find lib/libpam.so |
| 01:04.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lib/libpam.so' (2): (/usr/lib/libpam.so) in libdevel/libpam0g-dev ;; (/lib/{libpam.so.0|libpam.so.0.76}) in base/libpam0g. |
| 01:04.39 | Kovecses | D13GU___, backports |
| 01:04.39 | dondelelcaro | jNoobie: read what dpkg told you first. |
| 01:04.53 | D13GU___ | Kovecses how? |
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| 01:05.02 | dondelelcaro | D13GU___: visit backports.org; there are instructions there. |
| 01:05.13 | D13GU___ | ok |
| 01:05.51 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, really? doesn't the kernel give you that info? |
| 01:05.55 | D13GU___ | dondelelcaro and Kovecses, thank's |
| 01:06.10 | zero-1 | hello everybody |
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| 01:06.34 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: not at that point in the boot, no... you could quite trivally be talking to a serial terminal, FE> |
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| 01:06.47 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: and plus, it's not like you look at the outputs of the boot scripts anyway |
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| 01:07.03 | newbie_ | green_earz: this sounds familiar.. gonna give it a try, unless you recommend otherwise: http://linux-vserver.org/Vserver+DRBD |
| 01:07.23 | green_earz | newbie_: your addition for the virtualhost as been put into apache2.conf ? ? |
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| 01:07.52 | newbie_ | green_earz: that's just the paster from sites-enabled/default |
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| 01:08.33 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, well, currently, mine gives about 5 trivial errors on starting up...but the cool thing about fedora is that you have a nice green column of [OK]'s, and any red [ERROR] stands out a lot...but your hardware point is valid, thanks for clearing that up |
| 01:08.35 | green_earz | newbie_: you put it in then with the defalt ? |
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| 01:09.16 | `Ku | How can I kill grub off my mbr |
| 01:09.18 | `Ku | in xp |
| 01:09.39 | pem3v78 | `Ku: run install cd |
| 01:09.46 | `Ku | and? |
| 01:10.18 | dondelelcaro | `Ku: in xp? just run fdisk /mbr; or similar. |
| 01:10.20 | pem3v78 | recovery console log in as Administrator issue help :) |
| 01:10.26 | dondelelcaro | `Ku: regardless, that has nothing to do with us. |
| 01:10.31 | danieldg | `Ku: there should be a fixmbr (or similar name) program on it |
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| 01:10.48 | newbie_ | green_earz: that is the default.. is that right? |
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| 01:10.49 | pem3v78 | there is no such thing as fdisk in xp |
| 01:10.49 | Roey | hello |
| 01:11.01 | Roey | are there such things as 64-bit windows video codecs that I could use with mplayer and kaffeine? |
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| 01:11.30 | pem3v78 | Roey: why not compile mplayer as 32bit application ? |
| 01:11.39 | Roey | pem3v78: that'd work? |
| 01:11.40 | Roey | wellll |
| 01:11.44 | pem3v78 | yeap |
| 01:11.46 | Roey | that'd require a 32-bit library |
| 01:11.47 | Roey | stdlib |
| 01:11.52 | Roey | libc |
| 01:11.55 | Roey | however it goes. |
| 01:12.04 | Roey | I do have this compat thing in / |
| 01:12.16 | Roey | hmm, no I don't |
| 01:12.19 | Roey | I just checked. |
| 01:12.21 | Roey | ah well. |
| 01:12.22 | dondelelcaro | Roey: so just use a 32bit chroot. |
| 01:12.49 | Roey | dondelelcaro: it's too much hassle if it means setting up a new mini-distro, with a new /usr, a new X to run on another virtual terminal, etc. |
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| 01:13.29 | dondelelcaro | Roey: eh? you don't need any of that. just deboostrap stable /foochroot foomirror; bind mount /tmp; set up xauth and the passwd file, and blamo. run mplayer. |
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| 01:13.49 | D13GU___ | how to change a image of splashboot in xorg window system? |
| 01:14.06 | green_earz | newbie_: in the dir sites-available make the file www.linux and put your virtalhost config setup in it. use the default host as a example |
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| 01:14.11 | doleyb | Roey: maybe you should ask #mplayer, but there is a 64-bit windows now, so there should be some 64-bit win codes. |
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| 01:15.01 | newbie_ | green_earz: in available or enabled? |
| 01:15.07 | green_earz | newbie_: then you need the ln -s it to sites-enabled |
| 01:15.30 | newbie_ | green_earz: okay, gotcha |
| 01:15.47 | newbie_ | it should be called "linux" or "www.linux" ? |
| 01:16.15 | green_earz | newbie_: available in the available dir ln -l and you will see no ln -s link its it starting point |
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| 01:16.39 | Roey | doleyb: ok. |
| 01:16.41 | Roey | doleyb: thanks. |
| 01:16.52 | Kovecses | well so far so good for sid |
| 01:17.00 | Roey | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 01:17.05 | Roey | dondelelcaro: I may do this. |
| 01:17.15 | toad_ | how do i make my own kernel initrds? |
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| 01:17.41 | green_earz | newbie_: unfortunely there is very little doc on the subject. it to me quiet some to get a grip of the idear |
| 01:18.00 | toad_ | the new installer lets me set up an all-LVM system using kernels with initrd's, but this means i can't just compile a kernel and install it any more |
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| 01:18.32 | paolob | Hi guys! is testing running xfreee or xorg? Anyone knows what happened tonight in testing involving xkb? thank you! |
| 01:18.45 | newbie_ | green_earz: made a bit of progress.. I commented out a "LISTEN 192.168.1.130:1800" line I put in apache2.conf, added the same line to ports.conf, and the server restarted! |
| 01:18.47 | toad_ | paolob: sid is running xorg |
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| 01:18.55 | deadcat | paolob: topic |
| 01:19.00 | newbie_ | green_earz: I haven't tried what you suggested yet, but will if you still suggest it. |
| 01:19.13 | deadcat | toad_: sid is unstable. not testing |
| 01:19.24 | toad_ | deadcat: indeed |
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| 01:19.43 | deadcat | 18:18 < paolob> Hi guys! is testing running xfreee or xorg? Anyone knows what |
| 01:20.05 | toad_ | how do i reasonably easily build a mainline kernel in a debianish way, with a working initrd? surely there is some standard script to do this? |
| 01:20.12 | danieldg | I've got a problem with sshd: when I resize a terminal running ssh, the remote terminal does not resize. This happened after the upgrade to openssh-server 4.1p1-7. Is this a bug? |
| 01:20.13 | Gathond | paolob: Im sure packages.debian.org knows |
| 01:20.26 | deadcat | toad_: make-kpkg |
| 01:20.31 | m2 | toad_: kernel-package |
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| 01:20.42 | covux | toad_: make-kpkg --initrd |
| 01:21.00 | jcole_awy | how do i make apt install suggests/recommended packages automatically? |
| 01:21.05 | paolob | Gathond: explain better, please |
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| 01:21.16 | caphuso | jcole: use aptitude |
| 01:21.35 | deadcat | paolob: check the topic, if you are using testing. jsut apt-cache search. |
| 01:21.45 | dondelelcaro | danieldg: just hit ^l |
| 01:21.51 | Gathond | paolob: packages.debian.org, search for the xserver-xfree86 package in testing and see what version is currently there |
| 01:21.55 | Kovecses | sid broke my sound and 3d accell...........but lets see if i can fix |
| 01:21.57 | deadcat | paolob: rule of thumb. if you dont see it. xorg is NOT in testing. |
| 01:22.24 | caphuso | look also for xserver-xorg |
| 01:22.31 | Kovecses | xorg isnt in testing guys |
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| 01:22.37 | jcole | caphuso: ah... i thought apt-get was the "recommended" way to install packages.. thanks |
| 01:22.38 | Kovecses | not yet |
| 01:22.51 | dondelelcaro | !+info xserver-xorg etch |
| 01:22.59 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 5563 kB, Installed size: 15696 kB |
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| 01:23.13 | newbie_ | green_earz: I just did what you suggest, and now, trying to start apache2, I get this error: Apache2grep: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/www.linux: Too many levels of symbolic links \n apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/www.linux |
| 01:23.43 | a36 | hello. |
| 01:23.47 | a36 | which package is gmake in? |
| 01:23.48 | green_earz | newbie_: that sound better |
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| 01:23.57 | deadcat | a36: apt-cache search |
| 01:24.02 | a36 | deadcat I did |
| 01:24.04 | toad_ | ok cool... lets see if this works... |
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| 01:24.14 | deadcat | a36: build-essentials? |
| 01:24.14 | caphuso | a36: make is gmake |
| 01:24.17 | paolob | Excuse me, but the important answer was: Anyone knows what happened tonight in testing involving xkb? thank you! |
| 01:24.28 | a36 | caphuso I tried make instead of gmake, didn't work |
| 01:24.37 | a36 | deadcat? the only one I coudl find is cfgstoragemaker |
| 01:24.40 | litage | i have slapd running as user ldap. whenever i restart slapd though, the files /var/lib/ldap/__db.00* become owned by root, and user ldap can't read them. how can i fix this? |
| 01:24.41 | a36 | which isn't it. |
| 01:24.44 | deadcat | asg: ya.. |
| 01:24.49 | newbie_ | green_earz: what soudns better? |
| 01:24.51 | caphuso | a36: then it won't work with gmake either |
| 01:25.00 | green_earz | newbie_: the error |
| 01:25.01 | jcole | caphuso: or, there's some 10,000 page mailing list on why that feature has not been added to apt-get... |
| 01:25.10 | a36 | caphuso I don't have gmake |
| 01:25.20 | caphuso | a36: yes, you do. /usr/bin/make |
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| 01:25.36 | toad_ | does make-kpkg ignore my .config and build everything? |
| 01:25.45 | green_earz | newbie_; the problem it the ln -s link setup |
| 01:26.14 | caphuso | GNU make is only called gmake on systems that have their own version of make, but debian uses GNU make by default, so it's simply called make |
| 01:26.21 | newbie_ | green_earz: I just tried a copy instead, and I'm not getting that error any more |
| 01:26.26 | a36 | caphuso never mind, you're right |
| 01:26.35 | a36 | caphuso I didn't notice that ./configure failed |
| 01:26.41 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro, they must have just added it to etch |
| 01:26.42 | phwetzler | is there a way to have CUPS call a notification script on some events, like "new job" or "job completed"? |
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| 01:26.50 | danieldg | dondelelcaro: ^l doesn't update the terminal size in screen's C-a* display, so it's not working. Any other ideas? |
| 01:27.03 | a36 | caphuso thanks |
| 01:27.04 | dondelelcaro | danieldg: C-a l then ^l |
| 01:27.18 | green_earz | newbie_; sorry if i am not to much help but it new to me as well ? that sounds bad |
| 01:27.30 | newbie_ | weird. |
| 01:27.42 | newbie_ | green_earz: yea. |
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| 01:27.55 | dondelelcaro | danieldg: and screen sometimes eats the terminal resize events... |
| 01:28.02 | danieldg | dondelelcaro: same |
| 01:28.13 | deadcat | danieldg: detach and re-attach |
| 01:28.22 | angelrr7702 | where I can find xserver-xorg? |
| 01:28.37 | deadcat | angelrr7702: debian repo |
| 01:28.40 | ratonn | ?: my os was on a raid1 array... the boot partition was on one of the drives in that array.. the drive failed... the boot partition and kernel (i made no copy <- moron) are lost... |
| 01:28.44 | ratonn | what can i possibly do? |
| 01:28.48 | amphi | angelrr7702: for sarge? |
| 01:28.57 | angelrr7702 | yes |
| 01:29.00 | deadcat | angelrr7702: /topic |
| 01:29.11 | angelrr7702 | thanks |
| 01:29.13 | amphi | angelrr7702: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 01:29.20 | dondelelcaro | ratonn: boot off of rescue media, and backup the data, then replace the drive and recreate the boot partition. |
| 01:29.43 | dondelelcaro | ratonn: in general when you're doing raid like that, you make two separate /boot partitions with the same kernel, both of which can at least boot. |
| 01:29.43 | ratonn | dondelelcaro: how do i create a boot partition? |
| 01:29.49 | amphi | angelrr7702: sadly not for ppc |
| 01:30.07 | deadcat | amphi: they only care for x86 on stable. (= |
| 01:30.15 | dondelelcaro | ratonn: with fdisk and/or mkfs... (assuming you've got unalocated space or a free partition) |
| 01:30.16 | danieldg | deadcat: that works; is there any other way to notify screen of a resize? detach+reattach isn't that convenient when I run 'ssh host screen -x' |
| 01:30.24 | amphi | deadcat: ;) |
| 01:30.47 | deadcat | danieldg: resize command maybe? |
| 01:30.51 | ratonn | dondelelcaro: sorry, i got that part. i mean how do i create a kernel on that partition and make the system boot off it? |
| 01:30.55 | caphuso | danieldg: try C-a F |
| 01:30.59 | amphi | deadcat: I try apt-build... |
| 01:31.01 | green_earz | newbie_; remove the ln -s you just put in and do ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/www.linux /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 01:31.16 | deadcat | danieldg: when i -x to an attatched screen. you cant change the size can you? |
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| 01:31.24 | dondelelcaro | ratonn: install the kernel from the .deb package or whatever you were using, then run lilo or grub install as appropriate to install the bootloader into the mbr (or partition) |
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| 01:32.01 | green_earz | newbie_; ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/www.linux /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 01:32.05 | newbie_ | green_earz: that's what I did before. |
| 01:32.07 | ratonn | dondelelcaro: does the .deb installer allow me to specify where to place kernel? |
| 01:32.11 | danieldg | C-alC-aF will resize the screen to the old size (the size of the terminal when I connected) not the new size |
| 01:32.14 | ratonn | so that i can choose the appropriate partition? |
| 01:32.44 | dondelelcaro | ratonn: no, it puts it into /boot; you can fake it out by just going dpkg-deb -x foo.deb; and mv'ing it there manually. |
| 01:33.19 | ratonn | okm so boot rescue cd, create /boot, mount boot, and use dpkg to install kernel to boot |
| 01:33.20 | ratonn | and reboot? |
| 01:33.42 | newbie_ | green_earz: besides, the webserver appears to be running properly now.. the only problem is, I have to address it with http://192.168.1.130:1800/ instead of http://linux/ |
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| 01:34.03 | deadcat | danieldg: oh wow (= |
| 01:34.34 | danieldg | which is why I'm puzzled |
| 01:34.45 | newbie_ | green_earz: http://linux:1800/ works okay. |
| 01:34.51 | Demosthenes | hey, in sarge where'd /etc/init.d/iptables go? i want sarge to save the current firewall config and load it on boot each time, that was the prior mech. iptables 1.2.11-10 |
| 01:35.19 | ratonn | dondelelcaro: okm so boot rescue cd, create /boot, mount boot, and use dpkg to install kernel to boot, and reboot? |
| 01:35.25 | green_earz | newbie_: so all you virual host setup go in www.linux and its port setup |
| 01:35.47 | green_earz | newbie_: sorry badly worded |
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| 01:36.46 | phwetzler | any ideas on customizing cups to call a script on certain events? |
| 01:37.10 | EdLin | !any ideas |
| 01:37.10 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 starving goats. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 01:37.12 | green_earz | newbie_: all your virtualhost config for www.linux in that one file in sites-available that its port setup as well |
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| 01:37.47 | deadcat | dpkg: so whats the plan? |
| 01:37.53 | dondelelcaro | ratonn: yerp |
| 01:37.54 | bsims | Hrm I just noticed something odd with openoffice, my fonts all screwy if I use 10pt arial but other sizes arn't affected and neither is koffice any ideas? |
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| 01:38.07 | coywolf | what's instacrash? |
| 01:38.11 | dondelelcaro | ratonn: well, with making sure that you've installed your bootloader |
| 01:38.14 | coywolf | !instacrash |
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| 01:38.38 | ratonn | dondelelcaro: i still have it on one of the partitions |
| 01:38.48 | ratonn | can i just mount that partition as / and run lilo? |
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| 01:39.07 | newbie_ | green_earz: apparently the port setup is wrong, cuz I still have to type "http://linux:1800" and not just "http://linux/" |
| 01:39.07 | dondelelcaro | sure |
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| 01:39.22 | ratonn | dondelelcaro: won't the boot cd mount itself as / though? |
| 01:39.36 | mfrisch | how stable is a sata drive? how supported |
| 01:39.38 | EdLin | ratonn: use chroot |
| 01:39.56 | dondelelcaro | ratonn: if you don't pass a root, yes... but you can use chroot as EdLin suggests. |
| 01:40.05 | ratonn | *mans chroot* |
| 01:40.25 | drizzle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:41.27 | ratonn | EdLin: so mount /dev/hdc2 as /temproot and chroot /temproot lilo |
| 01:41.27 | ratonn | ? |
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| 01:41.42 | coywolf | what is instacrash? any1 knows? |
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| 01:41.45 | Jenetik | What is the correct syntax here |
| 01:41.59 | Jenetik | make-kpkg --append-to-version "2.6.8" --added-modules vmware-kernel-source modules_image |
| 01:42.10 | Jenetik | make-kpkg --append-to-version=2.6.8 --added-modules vmware-kernel-source modules_image |
| 01:42.17 | Jenetik | whatever one I try errors |
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| 01:42.34 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: that's not a reasonable append-to-version; first off, see the kp mantra |
| 01:42.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell Jenetik -about kp mantra |
| 01:42.39 | EdLin | right, after you chroot temproot you should be able to run lilo, or better yet apt-get install grub. ;-) |
| 01:42.57 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: then give us the outpout of the tail end of the make-kpkg run showing the errors. Use the paster bot to do so. |
| 01:43.02 | Jenetik | whats the version supposed to be |
| 01:43.13 | toad_ | i've done make-kpkg |
| 01:43.17 | toad_ | now what? |
| 01:43.26 | dondelelcaro | toad_: install the resultant .deb |
| 01:43.42 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: you don't need to set one; or if you do, set one to something that indicates the kernel that you're building. |
| 01:43.51 | toad_ | dondelcaro: it didn't make a deb |
| 01:44.02 | mfrisch | toad_ ../ |
| 01:44.12 | dondelelcaro | toad_: uh, did you run make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image? [like the kp mantra says?] |
| 01:44.25 | toad_ | what am i looking for exactly? |
| 01:44.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell toad_ -about kp mantra |
| 01:44.43 | toad_ | # make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 01:44.57 | Kovecses | sid isnt really that broken |
| 01:44.58 | mfrisch | toad_ go ../ from |
| 01:45.05 | Kovecses | everything seems to be working |
| 01:45.06 | Jenetik | ok sorry for the paste, but I'm doing it in the main chan versus your bot |
| 01:45.08 | Jenetik | I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value |
| 01:45.08 | Jenetik | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.08 | Jenetik | However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value |
| 01:45.08 | Jenetik | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.08 | Jenetik | I am confused by this discrepancy, and am halting. |
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| 01:45.16 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: don't paste here at all. |
| 01:45.19 | Jenetik | I just did |
| 01:45.31 | Jenetik | thats the error |
| 01:45.45 | aaronf0 | anyone know where debian moved its mouse too? and why r00t__ got banned? (again?) |
| 01:45.47 | mfrisch | kick it |
| 01:45.55 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: yes, which you shouldn't have. There's a reason why I told you not to. |
| 01:46.03 | ratonn | dondelelecaro: thanks a bunch for the help |
| 01:46.08 | Manoj_ | Jenetik, run make-kpkg clean |
| 01:46.11 | ratonn | EdLin: thanks for the helpful input |
| 01:46.19 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: first, run make-kpkg clean; then run make-kpkg YOURFLAGS clean; then make-kpkg YOURFLAGS module_image; |
| 01:46.25 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 01:46.25 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 01:46.34 | toad_ | should there be one .deb then? |
| 01:46.42 | toad_ | ../kernel-image-2.6.13_10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
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| 01:46.45 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: see above? The set of commands that you run should look something like that (with possibly different options) |
| 01:46.48 | dondelelcaro | toad_: yes. |
| 01:46.49 | aaronf0 | hrm, let me rephrase that... xorg isnt finding /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice. what would the mouse be on? |
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| 01:46.58 | toad_ | that has both modules and kernel image and initrd? |
| 01:47.05 | dondelelcaro | toad_: yes. |
| 01:47.16 | dondelelcaro | well, it will build an initrd... |
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| 01:48.09 | Jenetik | whats the difference between "run make-kpkg clean; then run make-kpkg YOURFLAGS clean" |
| 01:48.19 | toad_ | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/mapper/vg--big-swap: Kernel does not support LVM |
| 01:48.19 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: note the missing YOURFLAGS? yes... |
| 01:48.21 | toad_ | WTF? |
| 01:48.26 | toad_ | it does... it's running on LVM |
| 01:48.32 | Jenetik | Yes, I NOTE the missing YOURFLAGS |
| 01:48.37 | aaronf0 | nvm, /msg if you want, maybe hell just piss off... |
| 01:48.37 | Jenetik | what is filled in |
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| 01:49.03 | Jenetik | --append-to-version "-flavour" |
| 01:49.05 | Jenetik | ? |
| 01:49.12 | Jenetik | --append-to-version=2.6.8 |
| 01:49.16 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: YOURFLAGS== the other flags you're passing to make-kpkg, like --append-to-version etc. |
| 01:49.20 | Jenetik | YES |
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| 01:49.37 | toad_ | what is the LVM failure caused by...? |
| 01:50.02 | dondelelcaro | toad_: not building lvm support into the kernel or building it as a module that can be loaded by initrd. |
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| 01:50.55 | toad_ | dondelelcaro: devicemapper is in the kernel |
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| 01:51.13 | toad_ | as is MD and RAID |
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| 01:51.40 | toad_ | all the targets are modules though |
| 01:51.43 | dondelelcaro | toad_: use the paster bot to paste the .config of the kernel that you are building. |
| 01:51.58 | Jenetik | dondelelcaro Jenetik: YOURFLAGS== |
| 01:52.01 | Jenetik | are you sure its == ? |
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| 01:52.06 | Jenetik | it still errors out when I type == |
| 01:52.11 | Jenetik | and it errors out still |
| 01:52.15 | Jenetik | when I do =2.6.8 |
| 01:52.25 | toad_ | dondelelcaro: uh, to where? |
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| 01:53.55 | Segers_J | toad_: /topic |
| 01:54.08 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: YOURFLAGS is just a placeholder for the flags you're sticking there... nothing more. |
| 01:54.16 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: you shouldn't be typing 'YOURFLAGS' at all. |
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| 01:54.22 | toad_ | to #flood then? |
| 01:54.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell toad_ -about paster |
| 01:54.38 | Segers_J | toad_: or /msg dpkg paster |
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| 01:55.32 | Jenetik | dondelelcaro: I do exactly what you said, pass make-kpkg --append-to-version="2.6.8" --added-modules vmware-kernel-source modules_image and get "if ./debian/rules KVERS="2.6.82.6.8" KSRC="/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8" \" near the end of the make, the debian vmware pages say to do it this way |
| 01:55.58 | toad_ | alternatively, is there any way to easily make the debian installer pick up an IT8212 soft-ide-raid card? |
| 01:55.58 | Jenetik | I did the clean first and the other clean |
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| 01:56.12 | Jenetik | http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/vmware-kernel.html#bin |
| 01:56.20 | Jenetik | that page says to pass flags for the kernel module |
| 01:56.20 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: that append to version is insane. If the vmware pages tell you to do it that way, whoever wrote them was on crack. |
| 01:56.22 | toad_ | it's not in mainline until 2.6.13 (or 2.6.11-ac) |
| 01:56.39 | Jenetik | so do I strip the line out? |
| 01:56.46 | green_earz | toad_: if you want to build the raid with the debian installer here a link that should help > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
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| 01:57.04 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: all you need to do is the following: |
| 01:57.06 | Jenetik | do I do make-kpkg clean --append-to-version=2.6.8 still? |
| 01:57.13 | Jenetik | after a clean |
| 01:57.19 | toad_ | green_earz: root on LVM works fine on the new installer, i'm not doing RAID... i just need my obscure IDE controller card to work |
| 01:57.23 | toad_ | but i'll have a look... |
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| 01:57.40 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --apend-to-version "-vmware" --added-modules vmware-kernel-source clean; make-kpkg --apend-to-version "-vmware" --added-modules vmware-kernel-source kernel_image modules_image; |
| 01:57.42 | green_earz | toad_: sorry |
| 01:57.45 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: that's it. |
| 01:58.01 | Jenetik | ok |
| 01:58.04 | Jenetik | I just cut and paste it |
| 01:58.24 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: read through the make-kpkg manpage until all of those options make sense. |
| 01:58.28 | Jenetik | you never said what -version was |
| 01:58.38 | Jenetik | version to me would mean a number |
| 01:58.42 | Jenetik | thanks for your help |
| 01:58.48 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro you should charge him |
| 01:58.50 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: no, it's just something that gets *appended* to the version number |
| 01:58.50 | Jenetik | sorry for being a prick, but I want shit done fast |
| 01:59.04 | Jenetik | well, I'm not sorry |
| 01:59.07 | Jenetik | cause it got done fast |
| 01:59.07 | Jenetik | :D |
| 01:59.09 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: if you want stuff done fast, you need to pay for support. See http://www.debian.org/consultants |
| 01:59.16 | Jenetik | I just got it free here |
| 01:59.26 | toad_ | well... the easiest way to do this would appear to be to set it up like it was, with one drive with a big root partition on it for booting, and the rest LVM |
| 01:59.31 | Jenetik | shouldn't fast support be open source too? |
| 01:59.51 | ysothoth | Jenetik: You get a free kick in the ass as weel |
| 01:59.54 | toad_ | implying that the installer needs to access everything |
| 01:59.54 | Jenetik | use --help to display command line syntax help. |
| 01:59.54 | Jenetik | Unknown option: apend-to-version |
| 01:59.54 | Jenetik | Unknown option: vmware |
| 01:59.57 | toad_ | actually it doesn't |
| 01:59.59 | Jenetik | er |
| 02:00.05 | Jenetik | I didn't mean to paste that actually |
| 02:00.07 | Jenetik | :/ |
| 02:00.08 | dondelelcaro | Jenetik: there are supposed to be two p's in append. |
| 02:00.16 | toad_ | it only needs to access the boot device |
| 02:00.18 | Jenetik | you didn't make it clear enough then |
| 02:00.19 | Jenetik | :D |
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| 02:00.27 | EdLin | !sing sunday |
| 02:00.27 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 02:00.29 | toad_ | 20G will be plenty initially... |
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| 02:01.16 | jmg | hey guys |
| 02:01.43 | jmg | anyone know what the trick is to mount a DD image of a disk? |
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| 02:01.53 | jmg | it's a full image, not a per partition image |
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| 02:02.41 | dondelelcaro | jmg: for a full image, you'll have to use losetup and the -o option to set the offset properly. |
| 02:02.54 | dondelelcaro | jmg: fdisk -p fooimage; should be able to tell you what the offset is |
| 02:03.08 | dondelelcaro | s/p/l |
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| 02:09.25 | Terr1 | How do you logout another user on your linux system? if you see a person on the box using 'users' and want to log him out remotely? |
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| 02:09.42 | dondelelcaro | Terr1: with kill or slay |
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| 02:10.00 | Terr1 | ah yeah |
| 02:10.19 | mfrisch | kick it |
| 02:10.38 | jmg | dondelelcaro: how do i convert from blocks to bytes? |
| 02:10.49 | dondelelcaro | jmg: blocks are usually 1024 bytes iirc. |
| 02:11.07 | dondelelcaro | jmg: but I think there's an output mode for fdisk or cfdisk to display it in bytes |
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| 02:14.06 | paolob | Hi guys! anyone could explain me whether this is an error? see:$ setxkbmap |
| 02:14.13 | paolob | Couldn't find rules file (xfree86) |
| 02:14.20 | paolob | Do I lack anything? |
| 02:14.26 | jmg | dondelelcaro: there may be a better way.. create a ramdisk and dd the image into that |
| 02:14.27 | paolob | thank youi! |
| 02:14.35 | jmg | (it's only a 16mb image) |
| 02:14.48 | jmg | but, would the ramdisk support more than one partition? |
| 02:15.02 | dondelelcaro | jmg: I don't think it does, personally. |
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| 02:16.08 | jmg | crunk |
| 02:16.30 | jmg | the original disk had the following characteristics: SCSI device sdb: 31744 512-byte hdwr sectors (16 MB) |
| 02:16.38 | dondelelcaro | jmg: sfdisk -l /dev/hda; should also tell you how big the blocks are.... |
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| 02:16.46 | dondelelcaro | (or sfdisk -l foodevice) |
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| 02:16.49 | dondelelcaro | s/device/file/ |
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| 02:17.16 | jmg | ok, that looks good |
| 02:17.30 | jmg | dondelelcaro: im trying my hand at hacking an embedded linux device |
| 02:17.32 | CaT[tm] | when pinning, I should be able to specify sarge or etch for the archive, right? |
| 02:17.49 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: assuming the Release file is sane, yes. |
| 02:17.55 | CaT[tm] | cool |
| 02:20.07 | jmg | crunk. i dont get this |
| 02:20.07 | jmg | 1 * 0+ 255 256- 8176 1 FAT12 |
| 02:20.07 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: just run apt-cache policy; that should let you know what is going on |
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| 02:20.18 | jmg | what does + and - mean |
| 02:20.20 | CaT[tm] | dond: thanks :) |
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| 02:20.56 | CaT[tm] | yup. ignored. grr. |
| 02:20.58 | EdLin | CaT[tm]: your irc client should support tab expansion |
| 02:21.05 | dondelelcaro | jmg: it starts a bit into the first block because some of the first block is the partition table. |
| 02:21.08 | CaT[tm] | edlin: and yet it does not. :/ |
| 02:21.47 | EdLin | CaT[tm]: then change clients. ;-) |
| 02:23.52 | jmg | crunk crunk crunk |
| 02:23.54 | EdLin | CaT[tm]: OK, use whatever you want - I consider nick completion to be fairly basic functionality, however |
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| 02:24.26 | CaT[tm] | edlin: it does appear to be there by default in a lot of clients. |
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| 02:24.33 | prabu^ | Hello |
| 02:24.44 | prabu^ | how do i add a new virtual interface |
| 02:24.49 | prabu^ | and make it stay there verytime i reboot |
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| 02:26.05 | prjktdtnt | ok I just finished getting my new PC how I want it and so I need to make it so that I can enable other people in the house to connect through my computer |
| 02:26.29 | prjktdtnt | but the other problem is I dont know what my ethernet onboard is |
| 02:26.36 | prjktdtnt | (using lspci) |
| 02:26.37 | CaT[tm] | lspci |
| 02:26.39 | CaT[tm] | ah :) |
| 02:26.42 | CaT[tm] | what's it say? |
| 02:26.45 | EdLin | prabu^: for text-interface programs, I think screen can do that. For GUI programs a few of the more bloated desktop environments use something called session management |
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| 02:27.08 | CaT[tm] | ah. poo. can't use etch as a release. |
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| 02:27.11 | prjktdtnt | CaT[tm]: one sec will post to flood |
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| 02:27.22 | prabu^ | no i mean |
| 02:27.25 | CaT[tm] | prj: just need the ethernet card line |
| 02:27.30 | prabu^ | like i wanna have 2 IPs on 1 box |
| 02:27.59 | prjktdtnt | CaT[tm]: i know which one is my eth0 but the onboard has a few unkown devices and im not sure which one it is |
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| 02:28.15 | dondelelcaro | jmg: another option: hexdump -C fooimg|less and search for something like �.MSWIN4.1; that'll be the start of the image [00000000 eb 3c 90 4d 53 57 49 4e 34 2e 31] or similar |
| 02:28.17 | CaT[tm] | prj: ah. |
| 02:28.21 | prjktdtnt | nm found it |
| 02:28.22 | prjktdtnt | 000:00:07.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3119 (rev 11) |
| 02:28.57 | prjktdtnt | SL-k8tPro Mobo |
| 02:29.16 | prjktdtnt | via k8t800 Pro Chipset |
| 02:29.19 | prjktdtnt | if that helps any |
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| 02:29.44 | CaT[tm] | wow. i'm impressed. it took mne 4 goes to type grep correctly. |
| 02:29.52 | CaT[tm] | via velocity |
| 02:29.52 | CaT[tm] | that's your card |
| 02:29.56 | prjktdtnt | ?? |
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| 02:30.08 | CaT[tm] | prj: ? |
| 02:30.28 | prjktdtnt | Cat: wasnt sure if via velocity was directed at me |
| 02:30.33 | CaT[tm] | sorry |
| 02:30.36 | CaT[tm] | prj: it was :) |
| 02:30.53 | prjktdtnt | CaT: ok...where would i find drivers for that piece? |
| 02:31.02 | CaT[tm] | prj: try modprobe via-velocity |
| 02:31.59 | prjktdtnt | CaT: modprobe via-velocity returned nothing |
| 02:32.07 | CaT[tm] | prj: lsmod | grep via |
| 02:33.00 | prjktdtnt | its in there via_velocity |
| 02:33.06 | CaT[tm] | dmesg |
| 02:33.11 | CaT[tm] | and look at the end |
| 02:33.39 | `Ku | Were can I get x300 drivers |
| 02:34.01 | abrotman | ati.com |
| 02:34.05 | abrotman | #ati |
| 02:34.32 | prjktdtnt | CaT what would i be looking for near the end? |
| 02:34.34 | jmg | dondelelcaro: ok i tried jumping to the offset i thought would be the start of the first partition (4000h) and i was able to mount |
| 02:34.42 | jmg | could i calculate the geometry from that information? |
| 02:34.45 | CaT[tm] | porj: any msgs regarding yout ethernet card |
| 02:34.48 | CaT[tm] | prj even |
| 02:35.13 | prjktdtnt | cat: lol uhh plenty for my incoming (cable) connection |
| 02:35.20 | dondelelcaro | jmg: I don't know anything about that, unfortunatly. |
| 02:35.26 | CaT[tm] | prj: ah. firewall? |
| 02:35.31 | prjktdtnt | none for eth 1 or 2 |
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| 02:35.39 | prjktdtnt | cat: disable firestarter? |
| 02:35.40 | Overand | !held back |
| 02:35.40 | dpkg | hmm... kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 02:35.55 | Overand | ah, cute |
| 02:36.04 | CaT[tm] | prj: look in /proc/interrupts |
| 02:36.13 | CaT[tm] | if I install a pinned package, will apt-get update know to look for updates for it in etch? |
| 02:36.13 | Gokee2 | Hey all I have a aiff file I need to play..... How should I go about playing it? |
| 02:36.29 | Gokee2 | I have tried gmplayer xine and xmms.... |
| 02:36.53 | abrotman | !aiff |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | !aif |
| 02:37.06 | abrotman | Gokee2: sox? |
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| 02:37.19 | foo | How can I check my battery status? |
| 02:37.30 | abrotman | do you have acpi going ? |
| 02:37.32 | prjktdtnt | look for eth's im guessing? |
| 02:37.36 | CaT[tm] | prj: aye |
| 02:37.47 | `Ku | How do I config xwindows |
| 02:37.53 | jmg | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help |
| 02:37.53 | prjktdtnt | smaks head no wonder i cant find shit...eth2 |
| 02:37.57 | dondelelcaro | jmg: np |
| 02:38.17 | EdLin | !drxx `Ku |
| 02:38.18 | dpkg | `Ku: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:38.55 | prjktdtnt | cat: eth2 is configured...hmm |
| 02:38.56 | foo | abrotman: I think so ? |
| 02:39.17 | CaT[tm] | prj: configure it with an ip, test it and if it';s all groovy, insure the module name into /etc/modules |
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| 02:40.13 | prjktdtnt | cat: conf as 192.168.0.1 |
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| 02:40.29 | CaT[tm] | s/insure/insert/ :) |
| 02:40.37 | prjktdtnt | huh? |
| 02:40.45 | abrotman | foo: /proc/acpi/battery/ will have some info .. or do you mean a gui meter? |
| 02:40.47 | CaT[tm] | prj: typo correction. :) |
| 02:40.50 | prjktdtnt | cat: prjktdtnt=serious newb |
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| 02:41.14 | CaT[tm] | prj: but yeah. give it the ip addy that you want to, test to make sure traffic flows and if it does, insert the module into /etc/modules |
| 02:41.18 | foo | abrotman: percentage meter or time remaining .. CLI is fine |
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| 02:41.27 | foo | abrotman: cat: /proc/acpi/battery/: No such file or directory .. hmm |
| 02:41.42 | abrotman | foo: all i know is a gui thing ... if that dir isn't there .. just check /proc/acpi .. is there anything there? |
| 02:41.56 | foo | Yeah, I have that |
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| 02:42.05 | abrotman | is there anything in it |
| 02:42.06 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:42.11 | foo | yes |
| 02:42.15 | foo | Just not battery |
| 02:42.15 | foo | hmm |
| 02:42.21 | prjktdtnt | cat: with and _ or -? |
| 02:42.33 | CaT[tm] | prj: I'd do it with - since that's what worked. |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | foo: maybe your battery doesn't comply .. check linux-laptop.net for possibly more info on your laptop model |
| 02:42.48 | `Ku | WTF my mouse will not work |
| 02:42.52 | prjktdtnt | ok then /ect/init.d/networking restart? |
| 02:42.54 | `Ku | Tells me mouse jack up |
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| 02:43.18 | CaT[tm] | prj: if you've tested it already you wont ned to as it's already up |
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| 02:44.34 | `Ku | Its a laptop mouse |
| 02:44.40 | prjktdtnt | it says it is but it still says unknown device |
| 02:45.06 | prjktdtnt | also wont connect to the switch (hacked router) that is on the other end of it so i know there's no traffic flow |
| 02:45.26 | CaT[tm] | prj: what says unknown device? |
| 02:45.27 | nvz | man I feel deprived every single one of my friends had an interesting story to tell when I seen them today :P |
| 02:45.48 | abrotman | nvz: did you tel lthem about the minor with the hoohoos ? |
| 02:46.12 | prjktdtnt | 0000:00:07.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3119 (rev 11) |
| 02:46.12 | nvz | abrotman: thats old news, only you and my imagination are still dwelling on that |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | nvz: i blame the beer |
| 02:46.31 | abrotman | prjktdtnt: update-pciids |
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| 02:47.06 | prjktdtnt | abrotman thx |
| 02:47.09 | abrotman | pciids |
| 02:47.11 | abrotman | !pciids |
| 02:47.12 | dpkg | hmm... pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 02:48.42 | prjktdtnt | cat and abrotman:thanks a bunch now just to let it work right |
| 02:49.20 | nvz | Those girls are both cute as hell they are just both way too young still. pretty much any girl that is impressed just by 2nd rate guitar playing is too young |
| 02:49.28 | CaT[tm] | prj: have fun :) if it all doesn't go according to plan with debians modules, you can always try rolling your own kernel. :) a pain at first but once you get it you get it. |
| 02:49.53 | prjktdtnt | yikes man still not ready for kerneling |
| 02:50.03 | CaT[tm] | :) |
| 02:50.06 | `Ku | WTF |
| 02:50.15 | `Ku | Xwindows starts but the screen is just black |
| 02:50.15 | prjktdtnt | im barely getting used to the commands...i only switched from windows not even 2 weeks ago |
| 02:50.25 | abrotman | check the logs |
| 02:50.34 | CaT[tm] | prj: ah. you're doing pretty well then. |
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| 02:50.55 | prjktdtnt | `Ku: if at first you dont succeed kick a winedows system administrator |
| 02:51.01 | prjktdtnt | cat: thx |
| 02:52.27 | nvz | abrotman: for the record I didnt really see her tits anyhow I just seen her flashing them at me.. I cant see across the street without glasses.. especially at night |
| 02:52.36 | `Ku | The screen is all black |
| 02:52.43 | `Ku | how can I back out of it if I cant see jack |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | nvz: right .... |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | `Ku: ctrl-alt-del |
| 02:53.10 | nvz | heh, seriously |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | err |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | `Ku: ctrl-alt-bksp |
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| 02:54.51 | nvz | all I seen was a girl pulling her shirt up and then putting it back down. just enough to stimulate the imagination. which is plenty enough considering I shouldnt have seen it at all |
| 02:55.06 | abrotman | hehj |
| 02:55.08 | prjktdtnt | cat: ok well now i do get some errors but dunno what is the cause (when /etc/init.d/networking restart) |
| 02:55.16 | prjktdtnt | should i # flood the error? |
| 02:56.27 | CaT[tm] | prj: /msg flood me if you want/if it's easier |
| 02:57.26 | prjktdtnt | nm |
| 02:57.29 | prjktdtnt | success!~ |
| 02:57.35 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: he can't |
| 02:57.36 | prjktdtnt | cat: unregistered |
| 02:57.37 | peterS | nvz: "I seen" ain't valid english, ya yinzer |
| 02:57.44 | CaT[tm] | prj: ok |
| 02:57.46 | nvz | peterS: damn straight. |
| 02:57.50 | abrotman | hey .. where'd all the bots go? |
| 02:57.51 | vorlon | ... yinzer? |
| 02:57.57 | abrotman | !yinzersmite vorlon |
| 02:58.03 | peterS | vorlon: native of picksburg PA |
| 02:58.10 | abrotman | vorlon: have you ever been to pittsburgh? |
| 02:58.15 | nvz | vorlon: look it up on my native language site http://www.pittsburghese.com/ |
| 02:58.15 | vorlon | abrotman: no. |
| 02:58.22 | peterS | apparently they talk funny there |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | vorlon: let me find you the dictionary :) |
| 02:58.29 | vorlon | peterS: they talk funny in most places |
| 02:58.37 | peterS | pittsburghese.com or something like that? |
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| 02:58.38 | abrotman | vorlon: peterS http://pittsburghese.com/ |
| 02:58.43 | peterS | yeah |
| 02:58.48 | nvz | peterS: you should hear myron cope the sports anouncer he'd make you understand for sure |
| 02:58.48 | prjktdtnt | !register |
| 02:58.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, register is '/msg nickserv help' |
| 02:58.51 | nvz | he's a native |
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| 02:58.54 | vorlon | "I seen" is a despicably widespread construction in the Great Lakes region, though |
| 02:59.08 | peterS | vorlon: it's all over western Kansas too |
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| 02:59.14 | abrotman | vorlon: that's everywhere there are uneducated people :) |
| 02:59.28 | nvz | breaking strings helps me learn to play better.. cause without my D and G strings I cant really play many songs.. so I have to experiment more |
| 02:59.28 | vorlon | peterS: yeah, I didn't want to generalize about the Midwest |
| 02:59.32 | peterS | heh |
| 02:59.39 | peterS | 's ok, I live here, I can say it |
| 02:59.43 | nvz | I've been making this song today with the 4 strings I have |
| 02:59.46 | abrotman | nvz: can you play flight of the bumblebee on that? |
| 03:00.07 | vorlon | abrotman: is it? I thought it was fairly regional in scope. |
| 03:00.07 | peterS | hmmm, AOL continue to be creative with their CD packaging |
| 03:00.20 | nvz | I can play songs where you just strum chords cause most chords still sound pretty much the same without those strings |
| 03:00.22 | peterS | I'm turning this cardboard case around in my fingers trying to figure out the best way to turn it into a new coaster |
| 03:00.27 | abrotman | vorlon: "needs fixed" is another bad one :) |
| 03:00.41 | vorlon | heh, that one doesn't even bother me |
| 03:00.42 | peterS | and 'needs done' |
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| 03:01.12 | vorlon | but rural Iowa apparently gets "I'm gonna take and fix the $frobnitz" |
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| 03:01.30 | peterS | "leave it be" |
| 03:01.40 | abrotman | leave it be? |
| 03:01.40 | toad_ | I have tried to install debian sarge. I have succeeded apparently, and it installed grub. When it boots, it says booting stage 1.5 and then error 18 |
| 03:01.54 | peterS | abrotman: as opposed to letting it be, or leaving it alone |
| 03:02.00 | toad_ | i look up error 18 and apparently it means "Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS" |
| 03:02.02 | amahbod | hello all |
| 03:02.06 | lakcaj | more better |
| 03:02.11 | toad_ | which is impossible as this is a modern (KT600) motherboard |
| 03:02.13 | toad_ | what gives? |
| 03:02.50 | beardy | toad_: If it happened, it's not impossible, is it? |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | peterS: uhm .. i think i need a better bad example :) |
| 03:02.54 | peterS | toad_: maybe grub isn't using lba32 for some odd reason? |
| 03:03.04 | toad_ | well can i tell it to? |
| 03:03.12 | peterS | abrotman: there will be an answer, leave it beeeeeee |
| 03:03.24 | peterS | toad_: dunno, just a theory |
| 03:03.28 | peterS | toad_: I don't have solutions, I only have theories |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | peterS: i know that song! |
| 03:03.35 | abrotman | oh wait ... |
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| 03:03.41 | beardy | heh |
| 03:03.42 | peterS | abrotman: the beatles, but they had better english |
| 03:03.48 | nvz | this song I've been working on with my 4 strings is the first time I've ever really played a B chord I think. I like the way the song sounds so far.. but I am not sure how it will sound once I got 6 strings again.. |
| 03:03.54 | toad_ | i'm currently in knoppix |
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | peterS: they were english |
| 03:04.05 | amahbod | hey guys, i have two gigabit ethernet adapters... and i was wondering if there is any way to say, run apache on one of them and use the other for general usage |
| 03:04.08 | toad_ | the grub config file doesn't mention lba32 |
| 03:04.09 | peterS | abrotman: well, they were liverpudlian, close enough |
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| 03:04.22 | hyardley | toad: run bios config and reidentify your hard drive in auto |
| 03:04.31 | abrotman | amahbod: if they have different IPs .. you can bind apache to one .. and use general routing for the other |
| 03:04.41 | peterS | amahbod: if you've got multiple Internet IP addresses, you can do this, in theory |
| 03:04.53 | peterS | amahbod: or IP addresses valid on whatever network you care about, I mean |
| 03:05.16 | toad_ | hyardley, will try |
| 03:05.18 | amahbod | i do have multiple internet address'; will it work with any application? |
| 03:05.24 | amahbod | ie webfsd |
| 03:05.28 | nvz | if I ever really become a decent guitar player I am going to design a guitar method and teach people to play. I am going to start them off with a guitar with no strings and give them 1 string each lesson to add to their guitar. |
| 03:05.38 | beardy | I somewhat doubt he has two separate gigabit connections, but in theory.. |
| 03:05.38 | amahbod | i dont know how to bind an application to an address |
| 03:05.39 | amahbod | :( |
| 03:05.42 | abrotman | nvz: sounds borin |
| 03:05.42 | peterS | amahbod: you have to tell each app specifically to bind to the one IP address only (and possibly to localhost) |
| 03:05.43 | abrotman | g |
| 03:05.43 | hyardley | i had that problem too with the wrong kernel on an AMD chip |
| 03:05.51 | amahbod | beardy, internet backbone. |
| 03:05.58 | peterS | amahbod: that's an app-specific problem. apache has a method, inetd has a method, etc. |
| 03:06.20 | hyardley | toad: it needed a K7 kernel and it worked fine afterward |
| 03:06.23 | amahbod | peterS, do you know where i could read up on the topic? |
| 03:06.24 | vorlon | amahbod: given that apache is a server, all you really need to do is point your DNS names at the right IP, and all traffic will be directed to that interface |
| 03:06.31 | peterS | nvz: go one further, start them off with air guitar |
| 03:06.35 | hyardley | toad: just things to check |
| 03:06.55 | amahbod | vorlon, i understand the theory, but i dont understand how to actually do it. |
| 03:06.58 | peterS | vorlon: duh, right, I didn't think of that |
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| 03:07.08 | abrotman | but i said that! |
| 03:07.11 | amahbod | vorlon, oh! |
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| 03:07.21 | peterS | amahbod: if apache listens to both addresses but traffic only ever comes in on the one address, you get the same effect. DNS can take care of that |
| 03:07.40 | amahbod | peterS, how do i control outgoing traffic though |
| 03:07.51 | abrotman | routes .. gateways |
| 03:07.52 | amahbod | peterS, does it just answer the request on whatever device it recieved on? |
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| 03:07.59 | amahbod | (sorry if that was worded badly) |
| 03:08.07 | amahbod | ie if i am running say webfsd |
| 03:08.09 | `Ku | Real suck player thinks rpm is a media file |
| 03:08.09 | vorlon | it answers it on whatever *IP* it received it on |
| 03:08.13 | Bellano | does L3 switches do routing featres like a conventional router? |
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| 03:08.15 | amahbod | ah cool! |
| 03:08.15 | peterS | amahbod: in linux, unfortunately, I'm not sure it does |
| 03:08.17 | nvz | abrotman: first things first.. you start learning how to interface with the guitar.. then how to play scales and one-stringed blues and practice dynamics, picking, hammering, sliding, bending.. whatnot.. then when you get into 2 strings you learn scale degrees how to take different notes from a scale and put them together to form a unique sound in any key.. then you get 3 strings and learn to take the scale degrees and build triads. makes sure |
| 03:08.26 | vorlon | which by default means that it should also route back out the same device, IIRC |
| 03:08.29 | peterS | amahbod: by default, I mean. there's some trick to change this but it's complex and I forget it |
| 03:08.34 | abrotman | nvz: yes .. one stringed blues is the blues |
| 03:08.45 | amahbod | peterS, lol. ok |
| 03:08.54 | amahbod | well guys, that was defninitely informative. |
| 03:08.59 | peterS | vorlon: you'd think. but I could swear I'd heard the linux net stack doesn't work that way by default. davem et al have some reason why not that never made sense to me |
| 03:09.13 | abrotman | bah .. we helped someone? ... crap .. that was a mistake |
| 03:09.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:09.17 | amahbod | lol |
| 03:09.25 | amahbod | i have another question, but it isnt really debian based if you want to give it a go |
| 03:09.36 | HermanDE | Lilo ... Are you arround? |
| 03:09.44 | abrotman | amahbod: ask .. if it can be better answered elsewhere .. we'll redirect you |
| 03:09.58 | nvz | abrotman: not to mention you have to learn to string and tune it so you start out learning to hold and get the feel for it, then with each graduation to the next level you learn to put on a string and tune it.. I would let them pick which strings they wanted of course :P |
| 03:10.03 | peterS | either that or we'll sic fhffhqvb on you |
| 03:10.16 | abrotman | badgers? |
| 03:10.22 | peterS | yes. |
| 03:10.44 | amahbod | i have 3 sticks of ram. two are a dual channel pc3200, and the third is a single channel pc 2100. my motherboard has 3 slots (two for dual channel and one for single channel)... if i use all 3 sticks, will the dual channel sticks perform poorly? |
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| 03:11.08 | vorlon | peterS: yeah, the issue is that if you have multiple routes with the same priority, there's no reason (on the host) why the return traffic *has* to go out the interface that carries the source IP |
| 03:11.11 | peterS | amahbod: since they're separate channels I'd think they'd be independent, speed-wise. but who knows. |
| 03:11.13 | abrotman | amahbod: if i had to guess .. i'd say yes .. ask #hardware perhaps |
| 03:11.20 | nvz | abrotman: I know my method will not only work but it will work faster and more effeciently than any methods I have read and tried. |
| 03:11.21 | vorlon | peterS: and then you hit the router two hops down that has route filtering, and you're fucked :P |
| 03:11.25 | abrotman | amahbod: or you know .. read the manual for your mobo :)P |
| 03:11.25 | amahbod | ok, thanks guys! |
| 03:11.27 | amahbod | lol |
| 03:11.34 | peterS | vorlon: well, if you don't have two outgoing routes, the second card would only RX, right? |
| 03:11.35 | amahbod | i checked, it was very basic stuff :( |
| 03:11.43 | amahbod | the manual doesnt really cover it |
| 03:11.46 | abrotman | nvz: i prefer the 'listen to something way too hard for you to play .. and learn it" :) |
| 03:11.52 | vorlon | peterS: yes. But that's also not the configuration he asked for. :) |
| 03:11.54 | amahbod | ( i installed the mobo today actually :P) |
| 03:12.30 | vorlon | I mean, you could use one interface for RX and one for TX, but isn't all gigabit gear full-duplex? :P |
| 03:12.33 | peterS | vorlon: right, he wants two outgoing routes but apache should stick to "its" PHY. linux does not do it that way by default, I believe |
| 03:12.45 | peterS | yes, all gigabit gear is FD |
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| 03:13.02 | abrotman | you can have two gateways .. and one is a default route .. isn't that good enough ? |
| 03:13.26 | peterS | abrotman: no, apache will use the default one |
| 03:13.32 | vorlon | abrotman: not if you want all your bidirectional apache traffic to use one interface, and all your other traffic to use the other |
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| 03:13.45 | vorlon | you basically need source routing at that point to ensure the traffic goes out the right interface |
| 03:13.54 | abrotman | apache won't answer on the interface it's listening on(assuming it's only listening on one) ? |
| 03:14.11 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well I've been trying to play "Hey Baby" from Hendrix's Rainbow Bridge for years and I can play the first 45seconds pretty flawless and various licks through the song.. but its taken me learning various chords, and dynamics to learn it.. right now the reason I have to stop 45seconds into the song is I can do sweeping patterns downward but not in reverse.. so when he starts to go backwards my fingers get tied up.. with my method y |
| 03:14.12 | peterS | abrotman: linux is lacking a default setting of "keep TCP flows, both directions, on the same interface" |
| 03:14.17 | vorlon | abrotman: apache will answer on the IP it's listening on. The kernel can do whatever the hell it wants at the interface level. |
| 03:14.19 | abrotman | vorlon: iptables magic ? |
| 03:14.25 | peterS | abrotman: apache will but the linux kernel won't |
| 03:14.28 | `Ku | I got fglrx_4_1_0-8.16.20-1.i386.rpm how do I install it for xwindows now |
| 03:14.31 | vorlon | I think you can do source routing with iptables, but I'm not sure |
| 03:14.36 | abrotman | !alien |
| 03:14.36 | dpkg | methinks alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 03:14.36 | peterS | abrotman: apache can't or won't force the kernel to do that |
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| 03:14.45 | abrotman | peterS: it should damn it! |
| 03:14.56 | vorlon | (can't, AFAIK) |
| 03:15.10 | peterS | abrotman: well, argue with alexey and dave. you'll lose just like the rest of the world who has asked for this before |
| 03:15.18 | nvz | abrotman: because I start with learning the various techniques on just one string and emphasizing music theory from the beginning with my idea of a guitar method |
| 03:15.19 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense .. think about IP based virtual hosts .. (they all have the same gateway) but that works fine |
| 03:15.21 | newbie_ | hi all! .. quick query for you.. I can get to my webserver (debian-sarge: apache2) by typing from any browser in the network: "http://linux:1600" ... do you know how I can make it so "http://linux/" works also? -- is it a virtualhost config issue, a router config issue, a listen issue.....? |
| 03:15.38 | `Ku | I got fglrx_4_1_0-8.16.20-1.i386.rpm how do I install it for xwindows now? |
| 03:15.43 | beardy | `Ku: Ask the distributions's you are running, channel. |
| 03:15.45 | vorlon | abrotman: what doesn't make sense about it? |
| 03:15.46 | abrotman | of course amahbod didn't say they were different subnets |
| 03:15.53 | `Ku | 3.1 |
| 03:15.56 | amahbod | :) |
| 03:16.03 | amahbod | they arent. |
| 03:16.03 | `Ku | 3.1 Debian |
| 03:16.08 | amahbod | same subnet! |
| 03:16.13 | amahbod | (gasp!) |
| 03:16.20 | abrotman | vorlon: because if you have two IPs .. (same subnet) .. but different virtual IP hosts .. the traffic still works even though you have one default gateway |
| 03:16.54 | vorlon | `Ku: aren't you the same character who was trolling in here the other day about how much better BSD is than Debian? And now you're trying to install rpms on Debian? |
| 03:16.55 | amahbod | lol |
| 03:17.29 | nvz | abrotman: my friend will who lent me this guitar can shred like crazy but he cant tell you what hes playing or stay in one key long enough for me to play with him or know what to solo around if I played him chords.. because he refuses to learn any music theory just listens to shit and makes it all up as he goes along like you would |
| 03:17.34 | vorlon | abrotman: right, but think about how this looks at the level of routing tables. In IP-based virtual hosts on a single interface, you have precisely one default route, so Linux knows to route all the traffic to it |
| 03:18.02 | `Ku | Umm no |
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| 03:18.08 | abrotman | vorlon: right .. as he said he does .. now with multiple gateways .. that could be a serious problem .. though i haven't tried it |
| 03:18.13 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: strange. i use -vo xv and -ao sdl on the ibook and now its not laggy for mplayer no more. (= same thing on the desktop when i use xv.. what the hell was i using? (= |
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| 03:18.31 | vorlon | abrotman: if you have two physical interfaces, you either have one default route, in which case all the outbound goes through the interface holding that route; or you have two default routes, in which case the kernel has no way to pick between them other than at random -- unless you do source-based routing, which is fancy non-default shit |
| 03:18.32 | beardy | hmm |
| 03:18.57 | `Ku | How do I install this rpm at command line |
| 03:19.00 | abrotman | vorlon: he could channel bond them .. thus eliminating the two physical NIC problem |
| 03:19.06 | vorlon | of course, you could do channel bonding I suppos... yeah. |
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| 03:19.27 | abrotman | amahbod: channel bonding might work for you |
| 03:19.41 | amahbod | how does channel bonding work exactly? |
| 03:19.49 | beardy | `Ku: You don't install rpm:s in Debian. |
| 03:20.07 | abrotman | amahbod: it binds two NICs to one 'apparent' interface |
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| 03:20.28 | mikael | I've installed blackbox but startx gives me an error (unknow command). I've used apt-get to install blackbox. Am I missing something? |
| 03:20.32 | amahbod | but how are the packets actually sent? |
| 03:20.35 | amahbod | just split across the two nics? |
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| 03:20.42 | amahbod | or one for in one for out |
| 03:20.56 | abrotman | amahbod: nope .. counts as one .. think a 2GB NIC :) |
| 03:21.01 | amahbod | lol |
| 03:21.05 | `Ku | ? |
| 03:21.19 | abrotman | mikael: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 03:21.28 | beardy | !tell `Ku about reference |
| 03:21.30 | amahbod | abrotman, do you know of a program that load balances? |
| 03:21.39 | abrotman | amahbod: i do not .. but apt-cache search should |
| 03:21.43 | amahbod | :) |
| 03:21.45 | mikael | abrotman, thanks! |
| 03:21.45 | vorlon | amahbod: the Advanced Routing howto may explain how to do channel bonding. I've never done it under Linux, but anyway, it also requires support on your switch/router |
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| 03:21.57 | `Ku | UGG |
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| 03:22.06 | amahbod | vorlon, is the howto on google? |
| 03:22.13 | amahbod | vorlon, where can i find it? |
| 03:22.14 | `Ku | I got fglrx_4_1_0-8.16.20-1.i386.rpm in /root I am logon as root |
| 03:22.16 | liable | hehe |
| 03:22.18 | `Ku | 3.1 |
| 03:22.41 | vorlon | amahbod: google, yes. |
| 03:22.42 | abrotman | amahbod: google "linux channel bonding" |
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| 03:23.16 | beardy | !clue `Ku |
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| 03:23.26 | amahbod | thanks again guys, i'm off for dinner! |
| 03:26.15 | nvz | bye |
| 03:26.22 | abrotman | beer makes me sleepy :) |
| 03:26.25 | nvz | heh |
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| 03:26.44 | nvz | makes you think about nvz's harem of little women too aperently |
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| 03:26.52 | abrotman | ew no .. /me sleeps |
| 03:27.07 | beardy | !coffee abrotman |
| 03:27.18 | abrotman | no .. sleep .. i've bene up too long ... |
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| 03:27.51 | nvz | I've been up for like 18 hours I am not really tired yet but will be going to sleep anyhow soon |
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| 03:28.04 | lemur | What does debian have to offer for the ubuntu user? |
| 03:28.38 | nvz | lemur: a debian cd |
| 03:28.42 | nvz | go install debian |
| 03:28.51 | nvz | or a redirect to #ubuntu |
| 03:29.02 | lemur | I'm sorry |
| 03:29.20 | lemur | just wanted an honest opinion ;) |
| 03:29.33 | beardy | lemur: Well, what exactly is your question? |
| 03:29.46 | beardy | !polls |
| 03:29.46 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 03:29.48 | lakcaj | lemur, I have some lint in my pocket you can have |
| 03:29.50 | nvz | lemur: expect nothing less, I've got no reason to make the shit up. |
| 03:29.51 | newbie_ | I can get to my webserver (debian-sarge: apache2) by typing from any browser in the network: "http://linux:1600" ... do you know how I can make it so "http://linux/" works also? -- is it a virtualhost config issue, a router config issue, a listen issue.....? |
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| 03:29.59 | lemur | Indeed |
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| 03:30.29 | grendal_prime | is there a way to set a limit on how many instances an application can have? |
| 03:30.30 | lakcaj | newbie_, it is listening on a non-standard port |
| 03:30.32 | lemur | I have debian on my laptop, and I've no intention of switching, but I just hear a lot of buzz about ubuntu on the net. I thought I'd be fair and ask users of both projects what they think of the other. |
| 03:30.44 | lemur | And at least try to figure out for myself the benefits of each. :-/ |
| 03:30.54 | grendal_prime | like say i wanted only one instance of firefox to run at a time per user |
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| 03:31.07 | beardy | lemur: Ask #ubuntu what they think of themselves, not us. |
| 03:31.24 | torham | lemur: the differences are small IMO, ubuntu has custom themes and a default setup with gnome already installed... |
| 03:31.31 | nvz | lemur: people that gather in the channels arent really "of the project" we just have interest enough to support one or the other |
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| 03:31.38 | lakcaj | lemur, ubuntu stable has newer packages than debian stable, but ubuntu stable is essentially a snapshot of debian unstable anyway :) |
| 03:31.41 | lemur | If I'm going to get a biased opinion, I'd prefer a negative one to a positive one. :-) |
| 03:31.50 | lemur | Surely, they know everything about what makes THEM so great |
| 03:31.52 | torham | if you can handle apt-get install gnome then the difference is nill |
| 03:32.31 | nvz | lemur: its like asking a french dildo manufacturer what he thinks about bed and breakfast inns in the US |
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| 03:32.53 | lemur | I shall ignore your analogy |
| 03:32.58 | nvz | heh |
| 03:33.07 | nvz | whatever pulls your bandwagon |
| 03:33.14 | newbie_ | lakcaj: I wanted it to listen on 1600. My ISP doesn't allow inbound requests on 80. |
| 03:33.15 | beardy | nvz: That's a simillarity with style :) ( I don't entirely get it though..) |
| 03:33.31 | torham | well i think it is more like a french dildo manufacturer vs. an american one |
| 03:33.33 | lemur | Would be in bad taste to ask about Xorg? Surely debian has it. |
| 03:33.51 | liable | left and right hand drive dildos? |
| 03:33.51 | grendal_prime | hahaha dude i like that analogy |
| 03:33.51 | lakcaj | !tell lemur about xorg |
| 03:33.51 | nvz | beardy: what the hell would a Dildo maker from france care about Inn keepers in the USA that serve homestyle breakfast? |
| 03:33.55 | grendal_prime | it was perfect |
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| 03:34.06 | beardy | nvz: you tell me.. |
| 03:34.06 | lemur | you guys rock |
| 03:34.41 | grendal_prime | liable, amadexterious? |
| 03:34.50 | sabin | can anyone help me fix my wheel mouse, i set "wheel events" in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, i searched google, they all say to simply bind the ZAxis option in XF86Config-4, still nothing for me though |
| 03:34.53 | matthew_w | ambidextrous. |
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| 03:35.06 | nvz | I had both on the brain because I seen this strange pink dildo icon today, and I was reading up on the Whistle Stop Bed and Breakfast that has been in Leetsdale since the 1800s |
| 03:35.10 | grendal_prime | ya thats what i SAID i just cant type it is all |
| 03:35.10 | grendal_prime | heehhe |
| 03:35.18 | lakcaj | newbie_, then you are either going to have to 1. Specify the port as you have been doing, or 2. Use a service that with give you a url that will forward requests to your own webserver on a specific port, something like noip.org or whatever it is called. |
| 03:35.28 | `Ku | This dame thing will not insatll |
| 03:35.35 | nvz | I didnt know the host there Mr Smith, was a professor of Ethics and Theology (if I am remembering the site correctly) |
| 03:35.56 | nvz | or that the Hostess made good homemade breads and pastries |
| 03:35.59 | grendal_prime | is there a way to set a limit on how many instances an application can have? |
| 03:36.02 | lakcaj | `Ku, you are trying to install a module that is an rpm from another distro? |
| 03:36.05 | newbie_ | lakcaj: is there any way to get the webserver to redirect all * requests to *:1600? |
| 03:36.23 | miag | how to resolve mouse hang which grab-hand shaped icon in gnome? it's rarely happend ended with reboot, annoying. |
| 03:36.31 | newbie_ | lakcaj = jackal |
| 03:36.32 | newbie_ | clever |
| 03:36.33 | grendal_prime | lakcaj, aparently from the "DAMN" distro |
| 03:36.38 | `Ku | I got the ATI x300 driver |
| 03:36.43 | `Ku | The dumb thing will not work |
| 03:36.47 | beardy | miag: Only restart X in the future. |
| 03:37.13 | sabin | `Ku, what seems to be the problem, cuz I JUST fixed my ATI driver this afternoon |
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| 03:37.21 | liable | miag: would think the only way is too kill the offending app, probably xserver.. |
| 03:37.24 | lakcaj | newbie_, it's not the webserver. When you type a url into a browser, any browser, it makes a request to that site on port 80. Your webserver is not listening on port 80, hence it doesn't responde. The default request for a browser is port 80. |
| 03:37.31 | miag | beardy: why it happened? is it some kind of gnome bug? |
| 03:38.13 | liable | `Ku: please dont /msg without asking, and I think you /msg'd the wrong person anyway... |
| 03:38.35 | beardy | miag: I have no idea. But next time, Hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, or run /etc/init.d/gdm restart instead. |
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| 03:38.53 | miag | ok |
| 03:39.08 | miag | thanks |
| 03:39.08 | liable | miag: where did you get it? |
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| 03:39.19 | nvz | !info garnome |
| 03:39.31 | newbie_ | lakcaj: I wonder if I tell the virtualhost to listen on BOTH ports, if it will work.. can you specify two ports? |
| 03:39.43 | miag | liable: http://cipherfunk.org/garnome/ |
| 03:39.48 | nvz | dpkg, garnome |
| 03:39.48 | dpkg | garnome is, like, at http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/, or it's also a bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and tweakers everywhere. Those not paying attention can stay after class. |
| 03:39.55 | lakcaj | newbie_, if your ISP is blocking that port, then the request on port 80 will never get there in the first place |
| 03:39.58 | `Ku | liable?? |
| 03:40.17 | liable | `Ku: you messaged me.. |
| 03:40.20 | nvz | I guess I am suppose to stay after class... to bad I skipped class so screw you na-na |
| 03:40.29 | newbie_ | lakcaj: yea, man.. I know.. but internally??? |
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| 03:40.45 | `Ku | pm window |
| 03:41.18 | beardy | newbie_: Configure your apache to listen on port 80 aswell as the other one you had to use. |
| 03:41.19 | lakcaj | newbie_, internally, sure |
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| 03:41.59 | beardy | miag: If you're running such a thing, you should expect bugs now and then. |
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| 03:42.16 | nvz | miag: you left out the verb is, in that 3rd person action |
| 03:42.25 | liable | and expect us to not know how the hell to help fix them.. |
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| 03:42.43 | newbie_ | lakcaj: cool, i'll give it a try. thx for yer insight, y'all. |
| 03:42.50 | lakcaj | newbie_, just do something like |
| 03:42.54 | xerophyte | named : ERROR => could not listen on UDP socket: not enough free resources how can increase so named will listen to all the ip alias |
| 03:42.59 | lakcaj | Listen 80 |
| 03:42.59 | lakcaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.02 | roler | I did a debian upgrade and it asked me if I wanted xfree86 (I think) or xorg. I selected xorg and my nvidia drivers don't work with it. What package do I reconfigure to change it back? |
| 03:43.09 | newbie_ | lakcaj; will do! |
| 03:43.22 | liable | roler: install xserver-xfree |
| 03:43.55 | `Ku | liable?? |
| 03:43.57 | roler | hmm |
| 03:43.57 | `Ku | om |
| 03:44.05 | roler | liable; thats not a package |
| 03:44.12 | `Ku | pm window liable |
| 03:44.30 | liable | `Ku: what? |
| 03:44.36 | beardy | `Ku: He do not want you to send him a "pm", stop doing it. |
| 03:44.43 | newbie_ | any new yorkers here? |
| 03:44.51 | deadcat | what up |
| 03:45.05 | lakcaj | liable, I downloaded some rpm from another distro, I don't know which one, but I think they are kernel drivers and I can't get them installed on the debian |
| 03:45.11 | newbie_ | deadcat: you're from nyc? |
| 03:45.16 | deadcat | no |
| 03:45.33 | miag | newbie_: meet new yorker in the new york street! ;P |
| 03:45.39 | deadcat | hahahh |
| 03:45.54 | roler | hmm |
| 03:45.56 | liable | roler: look in your apt cache for it. |
| 03:45.57 | lakcaj | roler, xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:46.04 | roler | lakcaj; I found it. it is installed |
| 03:46.08 | roler | it says that xorg is being used instead |
| 03:46.11 | roler | so I have to re-configure |
| 03:46.19 | newbie_ | miag: lol. cuz that's safe. .. just checkin' if I could trade debian classes for something I can offer. |
| 03:46.24 | `Ku | How do I update the freeking driver |
| 03:46.30 | `Ku | for my x300 I got the rpm |
| 03:46.43 | deadcat | newbie_: what can you offer? |
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| 03:46.59 | newbie_ | deadcat: don't much matter, if you're not a new yorker, does it? |
| 03:47.07 | lakcaj | `Ku, you can't install a kernel module packaged for another distro as an rpm on your debian system... you need to do some googling to learn some basics. I don't mean to sound rude, but you are in way over your head here. |
| 03:47.19 | beardy | newbie_: Depends on what you offer, doesn't it? |
| 03:47.20 | deadcat | newbie_: depends what you offering (= |
| 03:47.43 | newbie_ | y'all have a bizarre sense of humor. |
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| 03:48.05 | deadcat | so are you offering what we thinking you offering? |
| 03:48.14 | liable | roler: you cant have both installed, if you install one, apt removes the other. |
| 03:48.23 | `Ku | WTf debian will not let you use a linux package? |
| 03:48.29 | newbie_ | yea.. and watch me get booted from the IRC for soliciting prostitution. |
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| 03:48.37 | deadcat | ku: depends on the package |
| 03:48.45 | lakcaj | `Ku, the only real "linux package" is sourcecode |
| 03:48.56 | liable | `Ku: try to convert it with alien if you really must have it.. |
| 03:48.57 | xerophyte | anyone can help me could not listen on UDP socket: not enough free resources with named ???? |
| 03:48.57 | deadcat | newbie_: what? you offering sex? what the hell? i was thinking yankee tickets (= |
| 03:49.11 | deadcat | lakcaj: rpm is linux to him |
| 03:49.15 | deadcat | lakcaj: dont confuse him |
| 03:49.25 | lakcaj | !tell `Ku about ati drivers |
| 03:49.27 | liable | newbie_: offering sex or wanting sex? |
| 03:49.27 | `Ku | Its a linux pkg I got off www.ati.com |
| 03:49.32 | JimButton | newbie_: maybe you should first take the test at http://www.kippfest.com/spul/depravity.htm |
| 03:49.46 | liable | an rpm is *not* a *linux* package.. |
| 03:49.57 | deadcat | liable: let him be. |
| 03:50.09 | `Ku | Shit |
| 03:50.13 | `Ku | 100 commands for that |
| 03:50.17 | lakcaj | yep |
| 03:50.21 | `Ku | That is gato |
| 03:50.29 | JimButton | newbie_: oh, btw, i am not a new yorker, but i know there are new yorkers here :) |
| 03:50.37 | liable | deadcat: no, not untill he learns or goes.. :P |
| 03:50.46 | `Ku | 100 command to freeking support this x300 dumb |
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| 03:51.05 | deadcat | ku: maybe you should try a diff os |
| 03:51.33 | beardy | `Ku: Doesn't ATI have a source package instead, a file with a name that ends in .tar.gz probably? |
| 03:51.34 | lakcaj | `Ku, ati in linux is a pain in the ass as far as I am concerned. |
| 03:51.52 | newbie_ | lol |
| 03:51.54 | deadcat | lakcaj: not if you use the ati driver (= |
| 03:51.59 | newbie_ | great link, JimButton |
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| 03:52.05 | liable | i doubt the have a source package for there closed source driver... |
| 03:52.06 | newbie_ | anyhow.. take care y'all.. I'm out. |
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| 03:52.13 | lakcaj | deadcat, hence why I'm happy with the ati driver |
| 03:52.20 | khermans | is there a way to specify exactly here to get some package from without updating sources.list? |
| 03:52.37 | beardy | khermans: Download it and install with dpkg. |
| 03:52.48 | khermans | i want to install something in unstable, but not comment it out and then update agin |
| 03:52.49 | deadcat | lakcaj: i am actually using radeon |
| 03:52.56 | JimButton | newbie_: they have a very weird sense of humour... |
| 03:52.57 | khermans | beardy, ahh but i want to get the dependencies too |
| 03:53.15 | deadcat | khermans: apt-get install -t unstable package |
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| 03:53.20 | liable | then you have to download them too.. |
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| 03:53.23 | lakcaj | deadcat, I tried radeon with a newer card and it completely barfed. I use radeon on my thinkpad, but I don't think radeon supports the newer cards. |
| 03:53.28 | deadcat | JimButton: pay attention. he left (= |
| 03:53.47 | khermans | deadcat, what if I am a Ubuntu user and just want one package from debian unstable but its not in my sources.list? |
| 03:53.48 | liable | yeah, 7500's are pretty damn old now.. |
| 03:53.51 | deadcat | lakcaj: ah. works ok on the ibook 800mhz g3 |
| 03:54.02 | deadcat | khermans: no clue. try #ubuntu |
| 03:54.02 | Xenguy | khermans: packages.debian.org |
| 03:54.02 | roler | so does anyone know how to reconfigure X to not use xorg but to use xfree86 ? |
| 03:54.10 | beardy | khermans: ask #ubuntu |
| 03:54.20 | Xenguy | khermans: now, off you go ;-) |
| 03:54.30 | deadcat | !drxx roler |
| 03:54.30 | lakcaj | khermans, same thing, download and install with dpkg -i |
| 03:54.30 | dpkg | roler: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:54.36 | khermans | isnt that a deabin question though, not ubuntu |
| 03:54.47 | JimButton | deadcat: maybe someone is logging all this and he checks the log... |
| 03:54.49 | deadcat | khermans: its a ubuntu q as well |
| 03:54.59 | deadcat | JimButton: hahah. i doubt hes ever gonna come back. |
| 03:55.05 | JimButton | deadcat: anyway, paying attention is too hard for me :) |
| 03:55.06 | liable | roler: as I said, you need to install xserver-xfree86 from your apt archives.. |
| 03:55.14 | deadcat | JimButton: i hear ya. (= |
| 03:55.15 | lakcaj | khermans, you're not listening. Download the .deb. As root, dpkg -i <packagename>.deb |
| 03:55.36 | khermans | lakcaj, how do the dependencies get installed? |
| 03:55.53 | liable | khermans: you have to install all of them too.. |
| 03:55.59 | deadcat | khermans: #ubuntu have good help i am sure.. why not just try there. |
| 03:56.02 | lakcaj | khermans, dpkg will barf if you don't have the dependencies. You can then install the ubuntu ones with apt-get |
| 03:56.02 | khermans | you mean from individual debs? |
| 03:56.26 | liable | khermans: thats why we have apt, and dont go fucking with other distro's archives.. :P |
| 03:56.27 | lakcaj | khermans, install the deps with apt-get from your normal repos |
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| 03:56.40 | deadcat | khermans: and if the pkg you trying to install requires lots of dependencies. chances are that debian deb will fail on your ubuntu machine |
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| 03:56.51 | `Ku | debian is ghetto |
| 03:56.59 | lakcaj | khermans, why don't you just tell us what you are trying to install? |
| 03:57.03 | deadcat | ku ya.. like i said. try a diff os |
| 03:57.05 | shuveb | for installing debian on indy - i used a cross cable setup with my pc. it gets the IP thru DHCP, but does not boot the image - there are no error messages. does anyone have the same setup and can share the dhcpd.conf file? i think that must be the issue... |
| 03:57.14 | khermans | lakcaj, well i just wanted the unstable version of gnomad2 |
| 03:57.19 | liable | `Ku: try fedora, you can install your rpm on that.. |
| 03:57.22 | `Ku | Fuck this pos total fucking joke for a update |
| 03:57.27 | `Ku | FUCK THIS BS! |
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| 03:57.37 | liable | !customer |
| 03:57.37 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 03:57.59 | liable | haha, BGates... |
| 03:57.59 | beardy | `Ku: It's more like ATI are the fuckers. Tell them that instead of whining about debian to us. |
| 03:58.01 | lakcaj | khermans, well, it's got alot of deps. Have you tried installing from source? |
| 03:58.22 | khermans | lakcaj, well i know how to do it -- but tell me if this is innefficient |
| 03:58.22 | lakcaj | liable, good catch |
| 03:58.30 | amphi | `Ku: what ails thee? |
| 03:58.35 | lakcaj | he's gone |
| 03:58.52 | deadcat | you guys are slow |
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| 03:59.04 | amphi | lakcaj: thanks |
| 03:59.06 | khermans | lakcaj, add unstable deb line to sources.list, aptitude update, aptitude install gnomad2, comment out deb unstable line in sourcs.list, aptitude update |
| 03:59.09 | liable | well, gonna go watch a movie. later.. |
| 03:59.18 | beardy | deadcat: joins and parts ignored here. |
| 03:59.31 | khermans | i thought there might be a one-shot deal to grab package+deps from unstable |
| 03:59.32 | deadcat | beardy: ah.. |
| 04:00.10 | lakcaj | khermans, that could pull in alot of debian deps and give you some kind of hybrid system. You might end up with a mixed debian/ubuntu machine. |
| 04:00.15 | beardy | khermans: It is. It's called apt-get, or aptitude. Either use debian, or use ubuntu. |
| 04:01.05 | khermans | lakcaj, how do you define debian? |
| 04:01.11 | kisielk | dammit |
| 04:01.15 | kisielk | someone recommend me a good wiki |
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| 04:01.22 | khermans | mediawiki |
| 04:01.23 | lakcaj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:01.33 | khermans | what? its a serious question |
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| 04:01.52 | khermans | at what point is debian not debian anymore?? |
| 04:02.10 | beardy | !debian |
| 04:02.10 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 04:02.13 | beardy | !debian based |
| 04:02.14 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 04:02.22 | beardy | what's the other one.. |
| 04:02.40 | cipo | im non-us, i wanna ask about ipv6 tunnel, anyone can help me? |
| 04:03.09 | Guerin | cipo: this is not a debian question |
| 04:03.34 | cipo | oh |
| 04:03.47 | khermans | i just mean, if i took debian, repackaged it as n00bian, it would still prety much be debian just with a different name |
| 04:04.15 | beardy | khermans: /msg dpkg debian based |
| 04:04.31 | Guerin | khermans: debian is debian as long as it's installed by one of the ligitimate methods (viz. official cd, debootstrap, etc), and as long as no important non-debian software has been installed upon it |
| 04:04.34 | roler | deadcat; doesn't work |
| 04:04.41 | Guerin | beardy: you're not actually answering his question |
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| 04:04.57 | cipo | Guerin: just wanna ask, is there possible to use ipv6 tunnel behind windows nat? |
| 04:04.58 | nvz | khermans: except that you could do whatever you want with it and it would not have to comply with debian policy, and that people who use debian and come here would not care about it |
| 04:05.03 | Guerin | khermans: if you changed NOTHING, then it would still be debian. But what's the point in that? |
| 04:05.14 | Guerin | cipo: I see no reason why not. |
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| 04:05.47 | Guerin | khermans: basically, though, as long as we have no way of knowing what precisely was changed, we'd not be able to support it. |
| 04:05.49 | beardy | khermans: Perhaps. But there is no "prety much debian". There is debian, and things based on debian. |
| 04:05.51 | khermans | so it ceases to be Debian when Debian does not officially support it |
| 04:06.14 | khermans | so Debian with mplayer's w32codes installed is no longer Debian |
| 04:06.19 | Guerin | khermans: it's a continuum. #debian's support tolerance is one point upon that continuum |
| 04:06.28 | cipo | Guerin: can u show me some url, to setup my sarge, its behind windows nat |
| 04:06.30 | lakcaj | !tell khermans about marillat |
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| 04:06.45 | Guerin | khermans: no, it is debian, because that package can trivially be uninstalled, and doesn't materially interfere with the workings of any other software |
| 04:06.49 | khermans | lakcaj, i know about it |
| 04:06.52 | khermans | used them many times |
| 04:07.13 | Guerin | cipo: tell your sarge box to use your windows box as a gateway |
| 04:07.21 | khermans | Guerin, so this decision must be based on base libs then? |
| 04:07.29 | Guerin | cipo: though why you'd have a windows box serving NAT is utterly beyond me |
| 04:08.09 | Guerin | khermans: no, it's made on a very large number of factors, one of which is base libs. Another of which would be default config, and yet others would be shown up by policy compliance |
| 04:08.34 | khermans | ok good info, wicked cool guys -- i learned a lot tonight :-) |
| 04:10.01 | khermans | btw, bob2 hangs out in #Ubuntu all the time |
| 04:10.30 | beardy | I haven't seen him asking any ubuntu related questions in here though. |
| 04:10.52 | khermans | well, now i know the difference |
| 04:11.00 | khermans | and knowing is half the battle ;-P |
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| 04:11.35 | khermans | ...i have no idea what the other half entails... |
| 04:11.41 | aedwards | Is chkconfig supposed to be standard tool for modifying service runlevels in debian? |
| 04:11.50 | beardy | khermans: Putting the knowledge to use perhaps? |
| 04:12.27 | khermans | beardy, i just mean that we never found out in GI Joe because those lessons were always at the end of the show... |
| 04:12.34 | beardy | khermans: Or doing by trying, I don't know either really.. |
| 04:13.01 | beardy | khermans: GI Joe? |
| 04:13.09 | lakcaj | aedwards, I think most people use update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 04:13.24 | roler | how do I change the default X window video server? |
| 04:13.39 | khermans | beardy, the famous "...and knowing is half the battle. G-I-JOEEE..." line |
| 04:13.51 | beardy | khermans: I'm not american.. |
| 04:13.53 | aedwards | thanks lakcaj |
| 04:13.55 | khermans | oh ok then |
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| 04:14.01 | Gnea | heh |
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| 04:14.05 | lakcaj | !tell aedwards about update-rc.d |
| 04:14.15 | khermans | i must return to the n00bian chan where my comments are understood by lesser lifeforms |
| 04:14.36 | khermans | off to #ubuntu |
| 04:14.37 | beardy | heh, have a nice journey ;) |
| 04:14.38 | lakcaj | Did you realize you can fertilize your lawn with used motor oil? The more you know |
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| 04:15.16 | Gnea | it's even possible to fertilize an ubuntu user's boot with piss |
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| 04:16.13 | beardy | Haha, (I never say this usually, but) lol |
| 04:16.19 | biosedit | haha |
| 04:16.24 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:16.29 | biosedit | .......... |
| 04:16.53 | biosedit | who are used mc |
| 04:17.34 | lakcaj | not I |
| 04:19.04 | beardy | biosedit: That makes no sense, please try to rephrase that. |
| 04:19.41 | Guerin | who uses mc |
| 04:19.52 | Guerin | come on, it's not THAT far from normal english grammar |
| 04:20.01 | bob2 | not that much |
| 04:20.07 | Xenguy | biosedit: lots of people use 'mc' -- what is the real question? |
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| 04:20.33 | beardy | No, but perhaps he was looking for someone whos nick were mc.. |
| 04:20.40 | miag | biosedit: there is also mls, mdir clone. |
| 04:21.03 | biosedit | my english is poor |
| 04:21.42 | beardy | biosedit: Do you have a problem with mc (midnight commander)? |
| 04:22.08 | biosedit | now no |
| 04:22.24 | biosedit | i am apt-get install mc now |
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| 04:23.02 | biosedit | yes happy with gnome and happy with debian |
| 04:23.20 | roler | I desperately need to re-configure my X from xorg to xfree86. how can I do this |
| 04:23.54 | biosedit | why!!!!! |
| 04:23.56 | john | What's wrong with xorg? |
| 04:24.05 | roler | john; the nvidia drivers don't work with it |
| 04:24.12 | beardy | roler: Uninstall any xorg things and install xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 04:24.23 | beardy | roler: As you were told earlier. |
| 04:24.36 | biosedit | nvidia driver from www.nvidia.com...... |
| 04:24.44 | roler | biosedit; ya |
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| 04:25.28 | Gnea | roler: they work just fine |
| 04:25.35 | Gnea | roler: you running sarge? |
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| 04:26.05 | roler | gnea; whatever testing is |
| 04:26.13 | Gnea | roler: etch |
| 04:26.33 | roler | gnea; pardon? |
| 04:26.34 | Xenguy | !testing |
| 04:26.34 | dpkg | i heard testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 04:26.45 | Gnea | roler: just apt-cache search xorg |
| 04:27.30 | Gnea | roler: all you're doing basically is installing the x.org xserver, debian's scripts will take it from there - and nvidia's driver works perfectly with it. |
| 04:27.59 | biosedit | the quection is how install the XFREE86 and uninstall the X.org |
| 04:28.08 | tonsofpcs | anyone in here know what i need to do to flash my alpha firmware? |
| 04:28.22 | roler | beardy; when I unstall both xorg and xfree86 and re-install xserver-xfree86 it installs xorg instead |
| 04:28.27 | roler | beardy; thats why i'm asking |
| 04:28.31 | amphi | biosedit: you have some problem with xorg? |
| 04:28.33 | roler | gnea; nvidia will work with xorg? |
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| 04:28.44 | biosedit | on uninstall the X.org and uninstall other more software |
| 04:28.47 | Gnea | roler: i'm using it right now. |
| 04:28.53 | miag | me too |
| 04:29.00 | roler | gnea; is xorg newer or something? |
| 04:29.08 | miag | yes |
| 04:29.10 | Gnea | !tell roler about xorg |
| 04:29.16 | biosedit | can"t only uninstall the xorg |
| 04:29.33 | biosedit | my freeBSD5.4 with the xorg |
| 04:29.41 | bob2 | biosedit: install xserver-xorg. enjoy! |
| 04:29.42 | Gnea | once the xserver-xorg is installed, you can dpkg-reconfigure it to choose which server you want to use |
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| 04:29.55 | biosedit | but i can.t find the Xorg in /etc/X11 |
| 04:30.24 | biosedit | and i can"t startx in freeBSD |
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| 04:30.44 | Gnea | did you /wii biosedit |
| 04:30.46 | Gnea | oops |
| 04:30.49 | bob2 | biosedit: if you do ever install Debian, feel free to /msg me to get that removed |
| 04:30.55 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 04:31.07 | beardy | hmm |
| 04:31.16 | miag | biosedit: #freebsd? i heard dragonflybsd is better than it. |
| 04:31.27 | beardy | !better |
| 04:31.27 | dpkg | somebody said better was a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 04:31.34 | Gnea | !best |
| 04:31.34 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 04:32.25 | miag | biosedit: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/main/ for you. |
| 04:32.26 | zinx | clearly the only possible answer is women without hats. |
| 04:32.30 | tonsofpcs | lol, foo is definitely better than bar, it comes first, but the question of baz and qux is completely different |
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| 04:33.02 | Xenguy | .oO(fuuuccckkk bsd) |
| 04:33.05 | roler | gnea; sorry to be a loser but here is my current situation; |
| 04:33.10 | Gnea | first is worst, second is best, third is the one with the treasure chest? |
| 04:33.16 | beardy | tonsofpcs: First is not always best. |
| 04:33.31 | roler | gnea; X loads now. I re-ran the nvidia drivers from the website as I usually do, but it's still running at 640x480. and my laptop runs at 1440x900 |
| 04:33.31 | Gnea | roler: that is no excuse. everyone in here is a loser. ;) |
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| 04:33.43 | tonsofpcs | beardy - i didn't say best |
| 04:33.55 | tonsofpcs | it's clearly better though, being foo and all, it's the better half of foobar |
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| 04:34.25 | tonsofpcs | roler - 1440x900 is a horrible res... |
| 04:34.57 | Gnea | roler: well, that's not how you really want to use the nvidia driver - there's a debian-specific method for that. also, you can look for your laptop make/model # on google and linux-laptops.org to see who else has installed linux on it |
| 04:34.57 | roler | tonsofpcs; well when your laptop is a 17" wide screen, it's quite a nice resolution |
| 04:35.16 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: it's actually not too bad |
| 04:35.18 | beardy | tonsofpcs: see !better |
| 04:35.23 | tonsofpcs | roler - my 15" screen has 1440x1080, that's more height, same width, better res |
| 04:35.24 | ruser | help me out, after upgrading system, i've got conflics between xutils and x-base-clients.. and xdm refuses to start complains that it cna't find library libXau.so.6 but using find, locates it in /usr/X11R6/lib/ |
| 04:35.31 | tonsofpcs | 17" should be 1600x |
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| 04:35.50 | roler | tonsofpcs; it's a bit older laptop. I do not believe the screen or the video card supports more than 1440x900 |
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| 04:36.06 | roler | gnea; so how are you using the nvidia website drivers? I really like them |
| 04:36.12 | CerealVore | hi |
| 04:36.26 | Gnea | roler: well the drivers are actually in apt |
| 04:36.36 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - darn, i just brought those to the basement yesterday |
| 04:36.39 | CerealVore | would anyone be able to shed any light onto what might be causing this: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBI/DBI.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Gthr_key_ptr? |
| 04:36.47 | tonsofpcs | [and 2x 19" with em] |
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| 04:36.52 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: you have a basement left? |
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| 04:36.54 | Gnea | i mean |
| 04:36.57 | iamnow | hello |
| 04:36.58 | Gnea | you have a basement? |
| 04:36.59 | Gnea | ;) |
| 04:37.03 | professor_chaos | Question? why when I create a binary deb package. I get a size mismatch when installing with apt-get? |
| 04:37.10 | professor_chaos | It installs fine with dpkg -i package.deb |
| 04:37.12 | roler | gnea; nvidia-glx? |
| 04:37.13 | CerealVore | I have libdbi-perl installed, as well as perl. Someone's suggested that it might be pthreads related, but i'm not sure |
| 04:37.22 | Gnea | roler: that's part of it |
| 04:37.22 | bob2 | professor_chaos: it means your Packages file is broken |
| 04:37.28 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - barely |
| 04:37.29 | Gnea | roler: you still need the kernel driver |
| 04:37.37 | roler | gnea; gosh dangit already. hehehe |
| 04:37.39 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: have you considered ebay? |
| 04:37.42 | professor_chaos | bob2, what exactly do you mean broken? |
| 04:37.43 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - filled with monitors and PCs :) |
| 04:37.45 | roler | gnea; I run my own kernel, not a debian kernel |
| 04:37.45 | iamnow | can a person have a system inside their system because they need libraries to compile or run programs over and above the ability of the distro? |
| 04:37.47 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - i like em :) |
| 04:37.58 | bob2 | professor_chaos: broken. the size in there is incorrect |
| 04:37.59 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: what about your wife? |
| 04:38.09 | tonsofpcs | not married yet |
| 04:38.09 | bob2 | iamnow: man chroot |
| 04:38.23 | ruser | help me out, after upgrading system, i've got conflics between xutils and x-base-clients so neither would update, what should i do, tirng to remove x-base-clients creates a huge list of software that i do NOt want to remove..... and xdm refuses to start complains that it can't find a shared library libXau.so.6 but using find, locates it in /usr/X11R6/lib/ |
| 04:38.39 | Gnea | roler: that shouldn't make much of a difference - in fact as long as you have the source there it'll help |
| 04:38.41 | professor_chaos | bob2, is it the size field in the control file or Package.gz broken |
| 04:38.41 | iamnow | bob2: i know, but is there a way of going about the business to establish it however |
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| 04:38.53 | bob2 | ruser: that sounds like you're using packages from outside Debian |
| 04:38.56 | bob2 | iamnow: debootstrap |
| 04:38.56 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: neither am i - then again, i don't have a basement anymore |
| 04:39.00 | bob2 | professor_chaos: the latter |
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| 04:39.16 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - i got a nice collection of pcs and monitors down there |
| 04:39.28 | tonsofpcs | want an apple IIgs or //c? I got extras... |
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| 04:39.30 | roun | i love debian |
| 04:39.34 | Gnea | lol |
| 04:39.39 | iamnow | bob2: ok thanks |
| 04:39.43 | Gnea | i had a IIgs and a //c+ |
| 04:39.43 | ruser | bob2 well, i use micq and some other stuff, but there are mirros for debian |
| 04:39.45 | subgv | Is there gmake in debian? |
| 04:39.49 | professor_chaos | bob2, is the size field reporting installed size or package size |
| 04:39.51 | subgv | if so what package? |
| 04:39.52 | Gnea | subgv: make |
| 04:39.57 | Gnea | subgv: it's the same thing |
| 04:39.59 | bob2 | professor_chaos: just fix it already |
| 04:40.01 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - :( i want a //c+ |
| 04:40.01 | subgv | Gnea: thx |
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| 04:40.12 | bob2 | professor_chaos: if you made the .deb yourself, rerun dpkg-scanpackages or apt-ftparchive |
| 04:40.13 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: hrm, i might still have it... |
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| 04:40.27 | bob2 | ruser: yes, please do be vague |
| 04:40.31 | bob2 | ruser: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
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| 04:40.37 | professor_chaos | bob2, K, thxs |
| 04:40.41 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: wanna buy it? :) |
| 04:40.43 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - trade for another IIgs? :) |
| 04:40.47 | Gnea | lol |
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| 04:40.57 | litage_ | i have slapd running as user ldap. whenever i restart slapd though, the files /var/lib/ldap/__db.00* become owned by root, and user ldap can't read them. how can i fix this? |
| 04:40.59 | Gnea | i'm looking to liquidate ;) |
| 04:41.26 | bob2 | litage_: how are you running it? |
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| 04:41.41 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - i don't think i can afford the shipping of the PSU from phoenix... is it the same PSU as the //c? |
| 04:41.44 | litage_ | bob2: with the slapd init script: /etc/init.d/slapd restart |
| 04:42.04 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: i'm in phoenix? |
| 04:42.08 | roler | this really really sucks :( |
| 04:42.15 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - according to your whois, you are near there |
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| 04:42.23 | Gnea | very true :) |
| 04:42.25 | tonsofpcs | doesn't always mean that, but :) |
| 04:42.27 | Gnea | hrm |
| 04:42.34 | Gnea | looks like dns crapped out again |
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| 04:42.43 | ke6isf | ruser: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 04:42.46 | tonsofpcs | lol |
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| 04:42.54 | ruser | ke6isf sarge 3.1 |
| 04:42.56 | tonsofpcs | BS.ods.org :) |
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| 04:43.02 | Gnea | :) |
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| 04:43.19 | Demosthenes | where'd /etc/init.d/iptables go in sarge? |
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| 04:43.32 | d0uglas | is adsl "duplex" in that an increase of outgoing traffic won't affect the DL speed |
| 04:43.40 | ke6isf | d0uglas: No. |
| 04:43.54 | ke6isf | d0uglas: If you have heavy outbound, expect a chokehold on your inbound. |
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| 04:44.04 | d0uglas | damn .. that's what i was lead to believe with that word asynchronous |
| 04:44.05 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: where are you at? |
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| 04:44.18 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - NJ, about 12 miles from NYC |
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| 04:44.25 | CerealVore | would anyone be able to shed any light onto what might be causing this: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBI/DBI.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Gthr_key_ptr? |
| 04:44.29 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: what if it shipped from NYS? :) |
| 04:44.37 | d0uglas | are colo services generally a lot cheaper outside of the US |
| 04:44.47 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - it's still a 5 lb. brick for a PSU |
| 04:44.48 | ke6isf | d0uglas: Asynchronous, in this context, means the exact opposite of what you thought, actually. If you don't want a choke on your speeds, do SDSL. |
| 04:44.57 | d0uglas | no kidding |
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| 04:45.00 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: but it works. |
| 04:45.02 | d0uglas | what does the S stand for? |
| 04:45.12 | tonsofpcs | Supply |
| 04:45.13 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: it also has both 5.25"drives |
| 04:45.16 | Gnea | and a monitor |
| 04:45.27 | tonsofpcs | the //c+ had a 3.5" drive....... |
| 04:45.28 | beardy | d0uglas: synchronous ? |
| 04:45.36 | ke6isf | beardy: Yes. |
| 04:45.38 | Gnea | oh wait |
| 04:45.44 | d0uglas | beardy: ... another reason why i should google first :) |
| 04:45.51 | tonsofpcs | sure its not just a II+? |
| 04:45.52 | ruser | bob2 see anything that would cause that problem? |
| 04:45.55 | Gnea | i'm talking about a II+ |
| 04:45.56 | Gnea | my bad |
| 04:45.56 | d0uglas | (so as not to look extremely stupid)) |
| 04:46.07 | tonsofpcs | oh, i threw one of those out :) |
| 04:46.13 | Gnea | ahaha |
| 04:46.17 | Gnea | it didn't work? |
| 04:46.17 | tonsofpcs | //c is so much cooler |
| 04:46.24 | ke6isf | Hmm... had a //c for a while that I got rid of a year or so ago. |
| 04:46.27 | tonsofpcs | it had issues with all the cards being weird |
| 04:46.27 | beardy | d0uglas: You could have just dropped the "a" in asynchronous too ;) |
| 04:46.32 | ke6isf | Wouldn't boot from the floppy drive. |
| 04:46.37 | Gnea | AFAIK, this one works |
| 04:46.53 | tonsofpcs | ke6isf - you could connect an external |
| 04:47.00 | Gnea | it did last time i tried it (nearly a year ago) |
| 04:47.13 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - if i want one, i know that the local elementry school still has two in one of the rooms' closets |
| 04:47.16 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: We tried. We failed. We gave up when we got the XT to replace it, and that's about the time I discovered the wonders of MS DOS. |
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| 04:47.38 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: I'm still trying to forget 'DIR /S/B'. =^_^= |
| 04:47.55 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: damn things are so ancient they have no value anymore - better off to just donate 'em to a museum ;) |
| 04:48.07 | tonsofpcs | /B/S is so much cooler to do to a MS OS than /S/B |
| 04:48.11 | Gnea | or start a museum! |
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| 04:48.19 | roler | gnea; is there a specific nvidia driver for xorg or is it the same? |
| 04:48.19 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: In retrospect, yeah. |
| 04:48.25 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - i have one, it's called my basement |
| 04:48.31 | xixor | yo |
| 04:48.35 | ke6isf | Gnea: I had to get rid of my museum of obsolescence. It was taking up precious closet space. |
| 04:48.37 | Gnea | roler: same |
| 04:48.56 | tonsofpcs | [plus, according to the /? reply of dir, /B should be before /S :)] |
| 04:49.00 | d0uglas | well my main concern is that my bittorrenting of ... entertaining things .. doesn't slow down my outgoing, my website. If I have 50KByte/s out ADSL and 125 in, where ought i cap my incoming so as not to cripple the website? |
| 04:49.10 | tonsofpcs | ke6isf - whoa, you had closets? i just take up floor |
| 04:49.11 | d0uglas | by cripple i mean slow down by more than, say, 5KB/s? |
| 04:49.21 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: Yeah, I still have them in fact. |
| 04:49.33 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: i'm talking about a piece of retail property so people can walk in off the street - organize tours for schoolkids (you know, where everyone pays like $5 to take a tour) and educate 'em |
| 04:49.40 | ke6isf | ruser: Why are there woody lines in your sources.list? |
| 04:49.57 | Gnea | "back in the day, this is how we here used to compute... |
| 04:50.05 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - wanna work at it? |
| 04:50.22 | ke6isf | I know! Let's port Debian to the //c! =^_^= |
| 04:50.34 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: if i didn't have a job already, i might ;) |
| 04:50.36 | tonsofpcs | ke6isf - too hard, the IIgs has a HDD option, much easier |
| 04:50.47 | tonsofpcs | Gnea - don't worry, that one's going to India anway |
| 04:50.51 | tonsofpcs | s/anway/anyway |
| 04:50.56 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: But that's part of the fun of the //c! You could deal with those gedankin' floppies! =^_^= |
| 04:51.00 | Gnea | tonsofpcs: i might :) |
| 04:51.01 | d0uglas | ke6isf: any idea on my last q? |
| 04:51.12 | tonsofpcs | ke6isf - and where will ya put all of the stuff, kernel and all |
| 04:51.14 | ke6isf | d0uglas: Hmm... |
| 04:51.22 | tonsofpcs | i think the kernel may barely fit on the SSLD 5.25 |
| 04:51.23 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: On about a billion floppies of course. |
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| 04:51.35 | tonsofpcs | ke6isf - at least get a 4 MB HDD in there |
| 04:51.35 | d0uglas | and is this a job for iptables or an apache bandwidth mod? |
| 04:51.41 | Gnea | fuck that shit, india's got enough jobs :) |
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| 04:52.25 | ke6isf | d0uglas: Not sure. I've never dealt with bandwidth throttling. If the BT client has something, use it - otherwise look into other options. |
| 04:52.35 | d0uglas | Like colo. |
| 04:52.55 | litage_ | are non-root system users allowed to bind to ports <1024? |
| 04:53.07 | CerealVore | would anyone be able to shed any light onto what might be causing this: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBI/DBI.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Gthr_key_ptr? |
| 04:53.30 | tonsofpcs | something looking for Perl_Gthr_key_ptr in that .so ? |
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| 04:54.02 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: If anything, I'd want to see just how slow the kernel would run on a 65c02 processor. |
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| 04:54.33 | d0uglas | next dumb question -- what are the easiest-to-config smtp and pop servers? |
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| 04:55.10 | d0uglas | or are they all pretty much an apt-get install, bam it's working kind of deal |
| 04:55.18 | ke6isf | d0uglas: IMHO, postfix and qpopper respectively. |
| 04:55.22 | tonsofpcs | ke6isf - about 10x as slow as it does on a 68030? |
| 04:55.32 | d0uglas | ok cool |
| 04:55.35 | tonsofpcs | [speaking of which, when was the last m68k build?] |
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| 04:55.37 | d0uglas | thanks ke6 |
| 04:55.44 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: No point of reference. I haven't really played with the 68k series. |
| 04:55.52 | tonsofpcs | ke6isf - Amigas rule :) |
| 04:55.58 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: So I've heard. |
| 04:56.00 | tonsofpcs | and you never used a 68k mac? |
| 04:56.12 | tonsofpcs | ke6isf - want an A2500? |
| 04:56.15 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: Used one of the old toaster macs, that's about it. Nice boxes. |
| 04:56.23 | tonsofpcs | toaster macs? |
| 04:56.26 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: Nah, no floor space. |
| 04:56.44 | tonsofpcs | the toaster was a Zorro III/Video card for the Amiga... how'd you get one in a mac? |
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| 04:56.46 | ke6isf | Yeah, the old macs with everything integrated and a itty bitty screen. |
| 04:57.10 | ke6isf | No relation to the toaster of Amiga fame. |
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| 04:57.37 | tonsofpcs | ke6isf - yea, those were m68ks |
| 04:57.45 | tonsofpcs | [mostly 68000s] |
| 04:58.01 | tonsofpcs | [some 68010s iirc] |
| 04:58.04 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: Been a while then. I mean a long while. Other than that, I know that the old California Lottery terminals were also run on some sort of m68k processor. |
| 04:58.15 | karma1 | I'm trying to play mp3s from my windows filesystem using xmms, but whenever I try to play it or even add it to the playlist, I get this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/681 -- I can play the mp3s using realplayer 10 without a problem tho |
| 04:58.18 | tonsofpcs | really? cool! i want one! |
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| 04:58.51 | ke6isf | tonsofpcs: You'll have to contact whoever just lost the contract to the new company a couple of years ago. I think they might have been recyc'ed by now. |
| 04:59.28 | tonsofpcs | i'll call howard stern and get him to ask arnuld for one for me lol |
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| 04:59.49 | ruser | ke6isf doe not matter i do not use vlc either way. |
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| 05:01.00 | ke6isf | ruser: You also have a lot of testing lines in there. On that I'm gonna fold before I get started. Sorry. |
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| 05:01.17 | Invader_Zim | Umm I wonder if I should ditch gnome for KDE |
| 05:01.42 | ke6isf | Invader_Zim: I hate KDE. |
| 05:01.51 | ke6isf | !start a wm war |
| 05:01.51 | dpkg | metacity blows! |
| 05:01.57 | Invader_Zim | I dispise gnome it's so unfinshed . |
| 05:02.10 | Invader_Zim | Maybe I should use fluxbox or icewm. |
| 05:02.18 | ruser | ke6isf i fixed my stuff. and what's wrong with testing? |
| 05:02.26 | recyclebin | I wish that I could ditch both of them |
| 05:02.42 | recyclebin | +gtk |
| 05:02.44 | Guerin | Zim! |
| 05:02.57 | recyclebin | +qt |
| 05:03.00 | Invader_Zim | Yah gnome just screwed up the menu editing feature. |
| 05:03.02 | Guerin | the real Zim would never use debian! |
| 05:03.19 | ruser | btw, i compile my kernel old way, by using make, what is the new way of doing it? |
| 05:03.28 | recyclebin | I wish that I could ditch those big 4 |
| 05:03.36 | Guerin | ruser: /msg dpkg kp; /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 05:03.49 | Guerin | recyclebin: why can't you? |
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| 05:03.55 | ke6isf | ruser: It's not that I see something wrong with testing, it's that, as I understand it, things can be a little unpredictable when you mix distributions. sarge/etch is probably not so bad as sid/$all_other, but still. |
| 05:04.16 | Invader_Zim | Umm they just ruined freenode it seems yep that's a doomed network now. |
| 05:04.17 | recyclebin | Guerin, no way |
| 05:04.22 | Guerin | sarge/etch can will get more unreliable as time goes on |
| 05:04.29 | Guerin | and will eventually break entirely |
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| 05:04.44 | ke6isf | Imminent death of freenode predicted! |
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| 05:04.50 | Invader_Zim | Actually I was dumb enough to install ubuntu because it came with xorg. |
| 05:05.02 | marty | i have a problem with my xserver setup on a dell inspiron 7000 laptop |
| 05:05.04 | Guerin | recyclebin: why not? I have. The only app I use which uses either gtk or qt is firefox, and that's incidental |
| 05:05.04 | ke6isf | !ubuntusmite Invader_Zim |
| 05:05.09 | marty | anyone able to help? |
| 05:05.20 | ke6isf | !tell marty -about laptop |
| 05:05.25 | Guerin | Invader_Zim: you must be Gir masquerading as Zim |
| 05:05.26 | recyclebin | Guerin, it's the problem |
| 05:05.49 | Invader_Zim | Why because I do not use that obination known as slack. |
| 05:05.54 | ruser | ke6isf so you are suggesting that i remove all lines with stable? |
| 05:06.09 | ke6isf | ruser: Like I said, I fold. No further comment. Sorry. |
| 05:06.10 | Guerin | Invader_Zim: no, because you installed something because it was shiny |
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| 05:06.12 | ruser | or, rather waht are the lines that are reffered to etch? |
| 05:06.32 | CaT[tm] | hmmm |
| 05:06.35 | CaT[tm] | shiny... |
| 05:06.42 | Invader_Zim | Well I figured hey it's debian but not stale yet stable so why not. |
| 05:06.54 | Invader_Zim | I usually run sarge |
| 05:06.58 | Guerin | definitely gir |
| 05:07.23 | Invader_Zim | No one uses mainstream you have to replace the Xserver just to make it usable. |
| 05:07.34 | Guerin | bullshit and jellybeans |
| 05:07.40 | CaT[tm] | wow |
| 05:07.43 | Guerin | aside from anything else, xorg is in testing now |
| 05:07.45 | d0uglas | tonsofpcs: is artie really leaving |
| 05:07.51 | tonsofpcs | artie? |
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| 05:07.54 | d0uglas | lange |
| 05:07.55 | ruser | ke6isf yes, i heard you. i did solve my problems, all of them for this particular moment. Now i'm trying to figure out, how do i get to only sarge, and want to clarify which lines need to be removed from source to get rid of etch |
| 05:08.20 | Guerin | ruser: anything which doesn't contain either 'sarge' or 'stable' should be removed |
| 05:08.24 | CaT[tm] | zim: so what you're saying is that the XFree I'm using with sarge and playing 3d games on with my nvidia card has been secretly replaced by something other without my knowledge? |
| 05:08.34 | d0uglas | tonsofpcs: from the stern show ... |
| 05:08.35 | ruser | Guerin how about testing? |
| 05:08.42 | Guerin | ruser: testing == etch |
| 05:08.47 | ruser | ah, ok |
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| 05:08.55 | tonsofpcs | d0uglas - idk, i haven't been able to listen these past weeks |
| 05:09.00 | ruser | Guerin thanks. |
| 05:09.24 | recyclebin | in performance way, xorg ~= xfree86 |
| 05:09.32 | Guerin | no |
| 05:09.37 | recyclebin | yes |
| 05:09.45 | Invader_Zim | xorg really is better open and close an opengl visualizer plugin in 4.2 the app crashes do it in xorg that is gone. |
| 05:09.49 | Guerin | xorg performance is very different for people with certain cards |
| 05:10.07 | Invader_Zim | I run a radeon 9800 |
| 05:10.30 | CaT[tm] | i run an nvidia gforce2 mx 400 :) |
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| 05:10.45 | recyclebin | those points is garbage (I think) |
| 05:11.07 | Invader_Zim | Gotta like the frglx driver finally dual head and 3d |
| 05:11.20 | WhiteRabbit | better late than never hu |
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| 05:11.25 | Guerin | anywa, back to the mines ... one hours to go before pubtime |
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| 05:11.51 | recyclebin | ... |
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| 05:12.31 | Invader_Zim | I wonder if I could stick something in my pci-e slot for triple head like they did on that demo on flightgear's web site. |
| 05:12.44 | ruser | ke6isf and Guerin thanks |
| 05:12.51 | migma | I'm receiving an error whenever I start gnome-terminal that says "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal"... any ideas on how to get around this? |
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| 05:13.07 | MegaHambone | hey guys - i'm getting a screen on my local debian box - it keeps dumping some kind of log to the screen.. IN=eth1 out=eth0, etc, etc - what is doing this? |
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| 05:13.21 | ke6isf | ruser: Sorry I couldn't help more. |
| 05:13.22 | d0uglas | 'bout how many watts does your typical 1GHz box doing nothing else but serving web pages at a < .2 load use? |
| 05:13.24 | ke6isf | !beer Guerin |
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| 05:13.57 | ke6isf | d0uglas: Never tested it, but I suspect the difference between totally idle and that kind of load is pretty much delta. |
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| 05:14.26 | blaknnnngt | hola |
| 05:14.39 | Invader_Zim | It could use as little as 40 watts if you get a mini-itx. |
| 05:14.40 | migma | !es |
| 05:14.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:14.43 | d0uglas | ok so basically spinning a power supply fan, a hard drive more or less constantly at 5400, |
| 05:14.53 | d0uglas | 40 watts, that aint much |
| 05:15.05 | d0uglas | just trying to figure out exactly what my overhead is |
| 05:15.05 | Invader_Zim | Yah use one of those VIA cpus. |
| 05:15.08 | d0uglas | for my pron site |
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| 05:15.35 | d0uglas | Is there a way to [steal] electricity from a phone line? |
| 05:15.42 | ke6isf | d0uglas: You probably won't notice any difference in spin if you watch the electric meter. |
| 05:15.44 | Invader_Zim | Also the cyperchrome graphics are supported in the latest Xfree |
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| 05:16.13 | ke6isf | d0uglas: I'm sure there is, but you render your phone non-operational if you do. Besides, phone line voltage isn't all that much anyway, IIRC. |
| 05:16.30 | d0uglas | isn't it 40 something? |
| 05:16.40 | ke6isf | d0uglas: 40 volts? Probably. |
| 05:16.41 | Invader_Zim | You can only get a few watts froma phone line and it's around 5v and when it rings 90v is there but at a few miliamps. |
| 05:16.55 | d0uglas | is this unethical |
| 05:17.07 | d0uglas | well, start with illegal |
| 05:17.36 | Invader_Zim | Get some solar panels they'd make far more power and be legal and not kill your phoneline. |
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| 05:17.51 | ke6isf | d0uglas: It's not even worth the effort you'd put into it for such a small amperage. |
| 05:18.09 | d0uglas | 100 square feet of panels to get a kilowatt |
| 05:18.10 | recyclebin | I have a thought... VIA may get drivers working first rather than push the xxx-itx |
| 05:18.19 | d0uglas | in the windows of my nyc apartment |
| 05:18.29 | Invader_Zim | Yah I tried to make a bug powered by the phone line it would sometimes hold the line low. |
| 05:18.49 | Invader_Zim | Ok thats pretty unethical... |
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| 05:18.58 | d0uglas | ke6isf: it's not a "worth the effort" thing, more like a can it be done, ok got my yes or no and now it's time to move on kinda thing, you know? |
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| 05:20.55 | rx-182 | is gnone2.12 in sid already? |
| 05:21.10 | ratonn | how do I skip the hd check at bootup? |
| 05:21.52 | CaT[tm] | what specifically do you wish to skip? the periodic full check or the check after a bad shutdown or? |
| 05:22.31 | Invader_Zim | This Synaptic package manager is kinda neat. |
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| 05:22.49 | ruser | i've got another problem with configuration of kernel. here is waht i get when i try to `make menuconfig` http://pastebin.com/358652 |
| 05:23.22 | d0uglas | ruser: high five for pastebinning |
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| 05:24.14 | ruser | d0uglas heh, well, i figured ppl would want to see what i've done |
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| 05:25.05 | ruser | although, i think my description of the problem is too vague |
| 05:25.29 | jm_ | are you using sid/etch? |
| 05:26.41 | Invader_Zim | pastebin is neat it even has c highlighting |
| 05:27.09 | ruser | jm_ sid (removed etch from sources ery recently, was a mix) |
| 05:27.19 | d0uglas | php too (well obviously as php > *) |
| 05:27.20 | jm_ | ruser: try using gcc 3.x instead of 4.0 |
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| 05:27.44 | ratonn | [CaT[tm]]: the check "79 mounts without check; checking" |
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| 05:27.52 | ruser | jm_ any idea how would i fall back to gcc 3.x? |
| 05:28.02 | d0uglas | Damn! more halliburton.com guy checking out my pr0n .. biggest customer |
| 05:28.09 | CaT[tm] | ratonn: man tune2fs if it's ext2/3 |
| 05:28.12 | jm_ | ruser: well install it to start with, then we'll continue |
| 05:28.20 | fando | I made a wiki with mah notes: http://wiki.minimetria.com/Debian_Thinkpad_Suspend |
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| 05:28.30 | ratonn | Cat[tm]: it's at boot though |
| 05:28.31 | ruser | jm_ what do you mean? i have gcc installed |
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| 05:28.43 | jm_ | ruser: install gcc 3.x |
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| 05:29.12 | CaT[tm] | ratonn: more /proc/mounts - see if it's ext2/3. if it is read the manpage and you'll be enlightened :) |
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| 05:29.21 | ruser | jm_ well, i was asking for help, how would i get rid of gcc 4.0.1 and get back to 3.x 4.0.1 came with some of my updates |
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| 05:29.32 | ratonn | CaT[tm]: it's ext3 |
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| 05:29.38 | jm_ | ruser: you don't have to get rid of it, you can install both at the same time |
| 05:29.45 | d0uglas | does apache with a hostnamelookups on config (yes i know that's stupid) wait for a lookup process to finish before it fulfills the first request to that host? |
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| 05:29.50 | migma | I'm receiving an error whenever I start gnome-terminal that says "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal"... any ideas on how to get around this? |
| 05:29.53 | marty | another quick question... |
| 05:29.54 | CaT[tm] | ratonn: man tune2fs then |
| 05:30.09 | jm_ | migma: try stracing it |
| 05:30.21 | ruser | jm_ how would i go about doing so? |
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| 05:30.53 | jm_ | ruser: do you know how to use apt-get/aptitude? |
| 05:31.00 | cat | hey how can i open up a port on debian? |
| 05:31.01 | sombra | how can I do: if [ $licens_a = "n", $foo = "x" ]; then |
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| 05:31.19 | jm_ | sombra: read ABS |
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| 05:31.29 | ratonn | Cat[tm]: doesn't say how to cancel the test at boot |
| 05:31.43 | marty | how do i run the mouse config program (after the installation of the system) |
| 05:31.52 | jm_ | mouse config as in gpm? |
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| 05:32.10 | marty | the mouse is not configured properly |
| 05:32.13 | migma | !drxx |
| 05:32.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:32.15 | marty | it's a touchpad |
| 05:32.15 | d0ug | marty: just apt get it yo |
| 05:32.25 | jm_ | do you want to configure it for X or for console? |
| 05:32.34 | marty | just x is fine |
| 05:32.38 | jm_ | see above |
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| 05:32.39 | ruser | jm_ yes, i knwo how to use apt-get i might not know all the options. And i did not know untill now that you can have different versions of the same software installed, so i was hoping that you could point me in the direction how would i do it |
| 05:32.43 | marty | k thanks |
| 05:32.46 | cat | hey how can i open up a port on debian? for example 1234 |
| 05:32.53 | jm_ | ruser: find the package name, install it |
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| 05:33.04 | d0ug | marty: or apt get mdetect |
| 05:33.08 | caphuso | cat: by telling something to listen on that port |
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| 05:33.14 | cat | caphuso: how? |
| 05:33.20 | ruser | jm_ and i get: gcc is already the newest version. |
| 05:33.36 | jm_ | ruser: gcc will give you 4.0 in sid, as I said, find the right package name |
| 05:34.12 | cat | Connection failed. Error: Connection refused |
| 05:34.13 | caphuso | cat: any random example? nc -l -p 1234 |
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| 05:34.34 | Golly2005 | Hi all. Quick question: is there a program that does the opposite of grep? ie: displays all lines that DONT match a given pattern? |
| 05:34.37 | ruser | jm_ gcc-3.3 is already the newest version. |
| 05:34.42 | caphuso | now if that doesn't win the prize for most useful answer, then i can't imagine what will... |
| 05:34.45 | cat | bash: nc: command not found |
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| 05:35.03 | CaT[tm] | golly: yeah. grep :) |
| 05:35.03 | jm_ | ruser: ok so just tell the kernel to use it |
| 05:35.09 | nadjyla | hello |
| 05:35.15 | ruser | jm_ and how would i do that? |
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| 05:35.26 | jm_ | ruser: are you using make-kpkg or just make? |
| 05:35.38 | Golly2005 | CaT[tm]: is there a command switch is there ? |
| 05:35.40 | caphuso | cat: ok, let's forget that. how about you explain _in detail_ what you want to achieve? |
| 05:35.46 | CaT[tm] | golly: that there is. |
| 05:35.54 | ruser | jm_ i was ting to cofnigure the kernel, do i have to do it via make-pkpg? or can do it via `make menuconfig`? |
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| 05:36.14 | Golly2005 | CaT[tm]: What is the command switch? |
| 05:36.17 | jm_ | ruser: no, do it the way you want, just edit top level Makefile, search for CC and change both occasions |
| 05:36.27 | rAz_ | hello world |
| 05:36.28 | Golly2005 | -v |
| 05:36.34 | CaT[tm] | golly: that be it :) |
| 05:36.38 | cat | caphuso: i want to run a psybnc with port 1234 but i don't really know how to open up a port |
| 05:36.42 | Golly2005 | It's amazing what reading documentation'll do for u |
| 05:36.45 | cat | i've been traying and trayting and i suck |
| 05:36.49 | CaT[tm] | golly: that be true :) |
| 05:36.50 | cat | *traying |
| 05:36.52 | caphuso | cat: you tell psybnc to use port 1234 and start it |
| 05:36.53 | Golly2005 | :) |
| 05:36.54 | Golly2005 | hehe |
| 05:36.56 | Golly2005 | bye all |
| 05:37.01 | ruser | jm_ the thing is, i do now know which way is the best, and what are the main differences |
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| 05:37.32 | jm_ | ruser: make-kpkg will create a package with your custom kernel |
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| 05:38.13 | ruser | jm_ well, i know about that far, but what are plusses and minuses, i have no idea... i used ot do it old fasion way |
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| 05:38.20 | dondelelcaro | or hell, just follow the kp mantra. It tells you what to do without munging the Makefile |
| 05:38.25 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 05:38.25 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 05:38.37 | dondelelcaro | ruser: notice the MAKEFLAGS part? that's important. |
| 05:38.49 | LightVision | hello |
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| 05:38.54 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: hi |
| 05:38.56 | cat | i did caphuso but it doesn't connect |
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| 05:39.29 | LightVision | i just installed a new dvd drive. but how can i now backup my dvd's to hard drive? |
| 05:39.32 | caphuso | cat: what is "it" and where does it try to connect to? |
| 05:39.33 | ruser | dondelelcaro i just wanted ot know what is the main difference :). plust i don't see configuration stage in this mantra |
| 05:39.35 | jm_ | ruser: it's up to you to understand what the pluses and minuses are for you ;) |
| 05:39.58 | cat | to my ip |
| 05:40.02 | Eclipser | LightVision, depends on what kind of backups you want? |
| 05:40.02 | cat | but it's not working |
| 05:40.05 | dondelelcaro | ruser: oldconfig actually gets called in the kernel_image stage... so thats where you can do configuration. |
| 05:40.06 | aedwards | exit |
| 05:40.14 | LightVision | Eclipser: what kind are there? |
| 05:40.20 | migma | jm_: I tried stracing gnome-terminal... what next? |
| 05:40.26 | Eclipser | LightVision, just copy the files or make an image of the DVD? |
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| 05:41.02 | cat | all i need to do is open up port 1234 caphuso |
| 05:41.05 | caphuso | cat: again, what is "it" and where does it connect to? |
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| 05:41.11 | jm_ | migma: strace -f will be useful, find out if there's some error you could fix related to the child process it mentions |
| 05:41.12 | tcsetattr | hmm... rm'ing gnome-terminal? and next time skip the trace and go right to the rm'ing |
| 05:41.12 | ruser | jm_ well, i've never used it before. and make always worked for me. i never had to swtich, but since debian introduced it's own way, i was wanting to know what is so different about it. |
| 05:41.16 | cat | caphuso: is a psybnc |
| 05:41.18 | LightVision | Eclipser: i have some short film movies i aapeared in, and want to back them up and play from hard drive |
| 05:41.26 | walaoa | is gaim a gnome-based clinet? |
| 05:41.32 | caphuso | cat: the one you configured to use port 1234? |
| 05:41.34 | walaoa | s/clinet/client |
| 05:41.38 | cat | yeah caphuso |
| 05:41.45 | caphuso | cat: and where does it want to connect to? |
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| 05:42.21 | LightVision | Eclipser: and how can i play dvd movies? |
| 05:42.23 | cat | Connecting to 201.238.231.152 (201.238.231.152) port 1234... |
| 05:42.24 | cat | * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused |
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| 05:42.46 | Eclipser | LightVision, mplayer or totem-xine (which I prefer for DVDs) |
| 05:43.10 | yarddog | is there a tv viewer in linux? |
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| 05:43.25 | nimak | freevo |
| 05:43.28 | Eclipser | tvtime, xawtv, mythtv |
| 05:43.29 | nimak | mythtv |
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| 05:43.37 | Eclipser | tvtime is teh best |
| 05:43.37 | yarddog | k |
| 05:43.44 | yarddog | thx |
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| 05:43.56 | LightVision | Eclipser: im using sarge., i dont have those |
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| 05:44.04 | caphuso | cat: erm, so we're talking about problems with outgoing connections, not with incoming? |
| 05:44.05 | ke6isf | !tell LightVision -about marillat |
| 05:44.08 | Eclipser | LightVision, it has totem-xine |
| 05:44.18 | walaoa | LightVision, try kaffeine |
| 05:44.23 | Eclipser | but you need marillat sources for libdvdcss I think... |
| 05:44.24 | ke6isf | LightVision: marillat will contain what you need for mplayer. |
| 05:44.24 | cat | yeah outgoing there we go |
| 05:44.25 | ruser | jm_ thanks, and sorry for being rather dumb... epoting the makeflags and hostcc would have helped :) |
| 05:44.38 | LightVision | ok ty |
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| 05:45.03 | ke6isf | hmm, pasta for dinner. Again. =O.o= |
| 05:45.09 | Eclipser | ke6isf, what's with the - before about? |
| 05:45.23 | cat | what do i do caphuso |
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| 05:45.30 | ke6isf | Eclipser: You mean the ! character? That's an attention character for the dpkg bot. |
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| 05:45.38 | caphuso | cat: answering my questions, for example... |
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| 05:45.50 | Eclipser | ke6isf, no I mean the - character :) |
| 05:45.55 | walaoa | LightVision, kaffeine is as good as caffeine for keeping you awake. |
| 05:46.03 | cat | i'm not sure caphuso i just want to open up the port 1234 |
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| 05:46.16 | caphuso | cat: you're not sure? |
| 05:46.27 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Oh, for -about. If when sending to dpkg you just do, say, 'tell ke6isf about marillat', it will respond by telling you not only that it told me about marillat, but *what* it told me. |
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| 05:46.40 | ke6isf | Eclipser: By prefixing about with the -, it inhibits the "what it told me" part. |
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| 05:46.50 | caphuso | cat: and now you have the solution to a problem you don't fully understand yet? |
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| 05:47.24 | karma1 | If i wanted to install the latest stable fluxbox, would "apt-get install gnome-core fluxbox" be correct? |
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| 05:47.34 | LightVision | walaoa: i have kaffeine |
| 05:47.39 | liable | why gnome-core? |
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| 05:47.48 | cat | well what's so hard about opening a port on Linux caphuso ? |
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| 05:48.00 | walaoa | LightVision, isn't it good enough? |
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| 05:48.08 | ke6isf | karma1: If it needs gnome-core, it'll install it when you do fluxbox. 'apt-get install fluxbox' is good enough, as such. |
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| 05:48.15 | LightVision | walaoa: i have kaffeine and when I try to play the dvd from dvd drive, it says its encrypted and cant be played! what gives? |
| 05:48.18 | ruser | do i need APM if i enable ACPI in kernel? |
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| 05:48.33 | karma1 | ke6isf: ahh kk, thanks |
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| 05:48.38 | liable | ruser: no, in fact you should uninstall it.. |
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| 05:48.43 | caphuso | cat: the problem is that "how to open a port" is a fucked question asked by people who spend too much time with windows network wizards and not enough time to actually understand basic networking concepts |
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| 05:48.47 | LightVision | it says I cant use libdvdcss |
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| 05:48.50 | liable | ruser: apmd that is. |
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| 05:48.59 | caphuso | cat: which makes it almost impossible to answer it for something who did the reverse |
| 05:49.12 | Eclipser | LightVision, did you install libdvdcss |
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| 05:49.14 | cat | oh ok |
| 05:49.15 | LightVision | walaoa: whats libdvdcss? |
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| 05:49.24 | ke6isf | LightVision: It's what you need to decrypt the dvds. |
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| 05:49.25 | ruser | liable okay, thanks. |
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| 05:49.28 | nimak | do apt-get install libdvdcss |
| 05:49.32 | liable | cat: you dont open a port pers se, you install a service.. |
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| 05:49.34 | LightVision | Eclipser: no, didnt know I need it |
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| 05:49.42 | LightVision | nimak: ok thanks |
| 05:49.48 | Gnea | blah, i can't get debian-installer to netboot :( |
| 05:49.48 | ke6isf | LightVision: If you put in Marillat into your sources and followed with 'apt-get update', it will be available. |
| 05:49.50 | caphuso | "open a port" can mean so many things, that any answer from me at that point would be guess work. and i don't guess |
| 05:49.51 | nimak | i dont think that will work |
| 05:49.55 | LightVision | ke6isf: even to play dvd it needs to be decypted? |
| 05:50.00 | Eclipser | yes |
| 05:50.05 | ke6isf | LightVision: Yep. |
| 05:50.06 | Gnea | i setup tftpd-hpa and pointed it at /tftpboot/ and everything |
| 05:50.09 | nimak | yeah, dvds come encrypted |
| 05:50.09 | LightVision | ok |
| 05:50.11 | LightVision | thanks |
| 05:50.21 | Gnea | setup dhcpd.conf to hand it the filename |
| 05:50.41 | Gnea | i had a problem where it wasn't setting permissions right in the log |
| 05:50.47 | Gnea | figured that one out, but still i get: |
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| 05:50.50 | ruser | how can i find out which cheapset my speedstep is based on? |
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| 05:50.55 | Gnea | tftp> get pxelinux.0 |
| 05:50.55 | Gnea | Transfer timed out. |
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| 05:51.11 | cat | liable: such as? |
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| 05:51.39 | ke6isf | That'll keep it quiet for a little while. |
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| 05:51.49 | tcsetattr | LightVision, there is a cabal of rich white men named the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) who are prepared to devote billions of dollars to prevent you from watching movies on the operating system of your choice. You are now experiencing the result. They've managed to put up some walls, and you have to get around them. |
| 05:51.49 | ruser | nvm, my last question |
| 05:51.50 | yarddog | what is the normal protocol in the US for cable tv? |
| 05:51.53 | Gnea | !netboot |
| 05:51.53 | dpkg | [netboot] put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt |
| 05:51.54 | liable | cat: sshd, ntpd, portmap, cups, etc etc.. |
| 05:51.57 | Gnea | ... |
| 05:52.07 | caphuso | liable: psybnc in this case |
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| 05:52.19 | LightVision | ke6isf: do I just add "http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/" to my sources.list? |
| 05:52.22 | alex_ez | hello, guys |
| 05:52.34 | ke6isf | LightVision: No, you need to go to that URL and follow the instructions. |
| 05:52.35 | liable | caphuso: ok, walked in half way through. |
| 05:52.36 | LightVision | tcsetattr: why would they do that? Why cant we eatch our own DVD ? |
| 05:52.45 | alex_ez | help me, please, to configure courier-pop server |
| 05:53.00 | nimak | LightVision: some BS about piracy |
| 05:53.05 | ke6isf | LightVision: Or better yet, go to the URL at nerim.net |
| 05:53.11 | alex_ez | my system: debian sarge, last updated |
| 05:53.14 | Gnea | why doesn't anyone netboot |
| 05:53.27 | ke6isf | nimak: It's the MPAA in this case, but why pick nits over two criminal agencies? |
| 05:53.27 | liable | Gnea: cause it doesnt work? :P |
| 05:53.31 | caphuso | Gnea: tarzeau does, religiously |
| 05:53.35 | ke6isf | nimak: =) |
| 05:53.39 | Gnea | tarzeau, eh? |
| 05:54.06 | alex_ez | when i connect to it - he tells me: Maildir invalid, (no cur directory) |
| 05:54.13 | tcsetattr | oh, yes, I suppose RIAA was the wrong one |
| 05:54.13 | alex_ez | what i do wrong ? |
| 05:54.24 | walaoa | libdvdcss is a simple library designed for accessing DVDs like a block device without having to bother about the decryption. |
| 05:54.30 | liable | !vague |
| 05:54.31 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 05:54.44 | LightVision | ke6isf: I added what that website said and when I do apt-get update it says connection not allowed |
| 05:54.57 | ke6isf | alex_ez: You haven't given us enough information, that's what you did wrong. |
| 05:55.03 | LightVision | ke6isf: ok ill try nerim.net |
| 05:55.44 | LightVision | ke6isf: I cant read nerim.net! its non english :P |
| 05:56.03 | ke6isf | LightVision: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html |
| 05:56.20 | ke6isf | LightVision: Read, and be enlightened. =^_^= |
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| 05:56.26 | liable | hmm, my lappie hard drive light is constantly on, but not being accessed, sometimes it does this, sometimes not, I think dropping it, didnt do it much good :( |
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| 05:57.29 | liable | sheesh, I have a bad habit of adding to many commas.. |
| 05:57.58 | LightVision | ke6isf: OK done! works now! I can play dvd :) ty |
| 05:58.12 | LightVision | ke6isf: appreciate your help |
| 05:58.23 | LightVision | nimak: thanks for your help |
| 05:58.24 | alex_ez | ke6isf: System: Debian Sarge, smtp server - exim4, pop3-server - courier, when i connect to smtp and send mail - all is ok, when connect to pop3 with right auth, daemon returns errors: Maildir invalid, (no 'cur' directory) |
| 05:59.07 | caphuso | exim is probably not delivering into a maildir mailbox |
| 05:59.24 | tcsetattr | and do you actually intend to use Maildirs? as I recall, the Debian default is to use /var/mail |
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| 05:59.51 | caphuso | tcsetattr: do you have any other choice with courier? |
| 06:00.02 | LightVision | ke6isf: it playes the dvd choppy and slow! Any idea what causes that? |
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| 06:00.29 | nimak | try playing with another program, see if you get similar results |
| 06:00.32 | tcsetattr | I dunno, I never used courier-pop before. Maybe mixing courier-pop with exim MTA is a bad idea... or maybe he just needs to configure something |
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| 06:00.35 | sombra | how can I commen out an area? like /* */ in C |
| 06:00.41 | LightVision | nimak: which other program plays DVD? |
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| 06:00.46 | sombra | in a script of course |
| 06:00.48 | nimak | VLC |
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| 06:01.03 | LightVision | nimak: apt-get install VLC ? |
| 06:01.06 | cipo | # |
| 06:01.24 | ruser | LightVision xine, mplayer, vlc |
| 06:01.34 | nimak | i think the package name is lowercase |
| 06:01.52 | LightVision | ruser: im installing vlc |
| 06:01.57 | tcsetattr | I think all debian package names are lowercase... |
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| 06:03.02 | Invader_Zim | Man is the new jre a big file. |
| 06:03.05 | caphuso | Package names must consist only of lower case letters (a-z), digits (0-9), plus (+) and minus (-) signs, and periods (.). They must be at least two characters long and must start with an alphanumeric character. |
| 06:03.13 | anomaly | running amd64, I have the iso now for installation, but do I need a seperate sources.list to get 64bit pkgs? or is just the kernel 64bit? |
| 06:03.35 | alex_ez | help me to find manual!!! |
| 06:03.38 | alex_ez | courier... |
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| 06:04.12 | stew | alex_ez: apt-get install courier-doc ? |
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| 06:04.27 | Invader_Zim | If you got the X86-64 iso everything should be ok. |
| 06:04.32 | alex_ez | stew: absent... |
| 06:04.42 | Gnea | anomaly: it's all in the iso, boot it, install it, have a nut |
| 06:04.42 | dondelelcaro | my $PKG_NAME_RE = '[a-z0-9][a-z0-9\.+-]+'; |
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| 06:04.53 | nav5 | what is the name of the irc client in debian, I can't find it in KPackage ? |
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| 06:05.08 | dondelelcaro | nav5: use irssi-text; you'll be glad you did. |
| 06:05.08 | Gnea | nav5: 'the' irc client? |
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| 06:05.12 | cipo | bitchx? xchat? |
| 06:05.22 | dondelelcaro | !sacrifice bitchx |
| 06:05.22 | tcsetattr | all but ircii are impostors |
| 06:05.23 | Gnea | yomommacantchat |
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| 06:05.26 | alex_ez | stew: oops... no, exists, but i can`t to read it |
| 06:05.27 | Invader_Zim | Xchat ,irssi,tinyirc take your pick. |
| 06:05.41 | nav5 | ermmm ok thanks, didn't know there were so many! |
| 06:05.46 | Invader_Zim | Also do not forget chatzilla in mozilla,or ksi irc and that one in gnome. |
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| 06:06.10 | dondelelcaro | gag. Some irc clients should just not be mentioned... |
| 06:06.24 | Gnea | epic4 :) |
| 06:06.30 | Gnea | bitchx.. ok yeah, burn it |
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| 06:07.09 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: heh. ;-) Hey, at least Cthulhu is going to eat it... |
| 06:07.36 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: cthulhu will eat anything, even the tenticles of a landsquid ;) |
| 06:07.45 | alex_ez | guys, help me with courier pop3-server! please! |
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| 06:08.04 | Gnea | alex_ez: HELP ME WITH MY NETBOOTING PROBLEM AND MAYBE... |
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| 06:08.09 | Gnea | wait |
| 06:08.13 | Invader_Zim | Ahh he's almosta cannibal |
| 06:08.15 | Gnea | sorry, forgot i had caps lock on |
| 06:08.28 | Gnea | dude, cthulhu is more than a cannibal |
| 06:08.44 | dondelelcaro | Cthulhu is an omnivore in the extreeme... |
| 06:08.51 | Gnea | heh... |
| 06:09.03 | Gnea | lovecraft was certainly onto something :) |
| 06:09.05 | Invader_Zim | Yah he'll even eat a Bush |
| 06:09.05 | dondelelcaro | You might even call Cthulhu and omniciousomnivore... |
| 06:09.14 | dondelelcaro | s/and/an/ |
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| 06:10.07 | Invader_Zim | Most things would refuse to eat something that is that loaded with drugs even the digester. |
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| 06:10.42 | Gnea | cthulhu does not care |
| 06:10.43 | alex_ez | Gnea, what is your problem, guy ? :) |
| 06:10.58 | Gnea | alex_ez: pxelinux.0 isn't loading |
| 06:11.34 | Invader_Zim | Into anime as well? |
| 06:11.57 | alex_ez | Gnea, loader is right ? bios is good? hands - not broken ? |
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| 06:12.45 | Gnea | alex_ez: well i was able to get the daemon to shut up regarding some ownership for nobody, but now the client doesn't find a file |
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| 06:13.17 | alex_ez | Gnea: check for path, for mounted devices, all is right ? |
| 06:13.23 | Gnea | yes, yes |
| 06:13.29 | alex_ez | strange... |
| 06:13.33 | Gnea | tftp> get pxelinux.0 |
| 06:13.34 | Gnea | Transfer timed out. |
| 06:13.36 | Gnea | very |
| 06:13.41 | alex_ez | ftp ? |
| 06:13.49 | Gnea | _t_ftp |
| 06:14.00 | Gnea | it's called a netboot |
| 06:14.04 | alex_ez | ftp working right ? |
| 06:14.15 | Gnea | ... |
| 06:14.19 | walaoa | LightVision, is vlc installed ok? |
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| 06:15.27 | alex_ez | Gnea, check all manually. because, you can`t check at middle, what is wrong... |
| 06:15.36 | ke6isf | alex_ez: Any reason you're using courier to begin with? |
| 06:15.51 | Gnea | alex_ez: if you don't know what it is then just say so |
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| 06:16.51 | alex_ez | i have no manual for courier... |
| 06:17.06 | alex_ez | ke6isf: because, it`s pop3-server |
| 06:17.26 | ke6isf | alex_ez: Well, yeah, it has one. Have you considered qpopper? |
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| 06:17.35 | CaT[tm] | err dovecot :) |
| 06:17.38 | alex_ez | ke6isf: better ? |
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| 06:17.50 | ke6isf | alex_ez: Much simpler. Install it, boom, it works. |
| 06:18.00 | CaT[tm] | cucipop is good too |
| 06:18.07 | alex_ez | thnx |
| 06:18.09 | alex_ez | i try it |
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| 06:18.21 | ke6isf | Using courier for a pop3 server is like using the Starship Enterprise to drive across town. |
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| 06:18.50 | Invader_Zim | Also get a package called w32codecs or win32codecs to use with vlc. |
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| 06:19.46 | Invader_Zim | NCC1701 or ncc1701D? |
| 06:20.03 | ke6isf | Invader_Zim: Any of them. |
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| 06:20.33 | Invader_Zim | The NCC1701D or E the other end would be on the other side of town lol. |
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| 06:22.24 | anakinskywalker | how can i get a username password in gnome cvs using debian? |
| 06:22.39 | Gnea | anakinskywalker: show them your balls. |
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| 06:23.09 | liable | interesting.. |
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| 06:23.16 | Invader_Zim | Use the force. |
| 06:24.23 | ke6isf | anakinskywalker: Put the username and password as provided to you by the admins of the CVS server into the appropriate fields in gnomecvs, I'd suspect. |
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| 06:26.20 | liable | my god ibm sucks. first they say they dont know about my machine model number, then I cant auto detect it because you need ie, then i cant get a bios update cause firefox doesnt have java enabled.. pretty fucking bad from a company that says it supposedly supports linux.. |
| 06:26.35 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 06:27.07 | ke6isf | liable: Marketing says they support linux, and will continue to do so as long as you install MSIE. |
| 06:27.47 | subgv | Does debian have full support on UFS filesystem? |
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| 06:28.20 | anakinskywalker | how can i make i username password for gnome cvs |
| 06:28.26 | liable | ke6isf: there support sucks dog balls. I asked them what kind of chipset a minipci card I was looking at was. ten minutes later, i found it. four days later, support rang me to tell me they didnt know... |
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| 06:28.54 | ke6isf | liable: At least they called you back. Better than their OS/2 support from seven years ago. =^^= |
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| 06:29.13 | liable | they might as well not have though. |
| 06:29.22 | LightVision | is there a GUI front-end for mplayer? |
| 06:29.30 | nimak | its called gmplayer |
| 06:29.33 | Gnea | gmplayer |
| 06:29.33 | liable | gmplayer\ |
| 06:29.38 | LightVision | nimak: thanks :) |
| 06:29.40 | LightVision | liable: ty |
| 06:30.06 | LightVision | E: Couldn't find package gmplayer |
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| 06:30.09 | ke6isf | !tell anakinskywalker -about repeat |
| 06:30.10 | Gnea | :P |
| 06:30.20 | liable | LightVision: from marillat |
| 06:30.31 | LightVision | liable: im using marillat in sources |
| 06:30.51 | deadcat | i cant get that stupid signature for ppc mplayer.. anyone? |
| 06:31.11 | LightVision | liable: marillat must have removed gmplayer |
| 06:31.11 | jm_ | gmplayer is a command, package name is ... |
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| 06:31.43 | LightVision | jm_: yes? |
| 06:31.54 | liable | LightVision: if you just install mplayer, you get gmplayer, iirc you have to ask for just mplayer implicitly. |
| 06:31.57 | jm_ | LightVision: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:32.39 | ke6isf | What's the command again to search for a file in a package via apt-cache? |
| 06:32.49 | jm_ | apt-cache doesn't do that |
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| 06:32.57 | liable | apt-file |
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| 06:33.05 | ke6isf | liable: Ah, that too, thanks. |
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| 06:33.15 | LightVision | liable: got it, thanks |
| 06:33.22 | jm_ | dpkg's search factoid has the details |
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| 06:34.31 | LightVision | liable: hmm weird, it says cant locate subfont.ttf |
| 06:34.56 | nimak | it does that to me |
| 06:35.03 | nimak | its not significant |
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| 06:35.13 | liable | LightVision: try mp[layer-fonts |
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| 06:35.37 | LightVision | nimak: yes but it wont load any dvd because it says unable to ocate subfont.ttf |
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| 06:38.45 | nimak | click ok on that error message, then right click anywhere, and go to DVD>Open DVD... |
| 06:38.57 | nimak | or Open Disk |
| 06:38.58 | ruser | LightVision you can try bui;lding one for your system from cvs |
| 06:39.27 | LightVision | ruser: whats cvs? :P |
| 06:39.45 | ruser | LightVision let me find the mplayer homepage :) |
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| 06:40.02 | ruser | LightVision i think it was something like mplayer.hu |
| 06:40.14 | liable | LightVision: did you install mplayer-fonts? |
| 06:40.51 | ruser | LightVision http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html |
| 06:40.58 | liable | getting nervous.. bios updates always scare the shit outta me.. |
| 06:41.21 | LightVision | ok thanks |
| 06:41.24 | LightVision | brb |
| 06:41.53 | nimak | mplayer-fonts doesnt exist |
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| 06:42.11 | liable | hmm |
| 06:42.29 | LightVision | nimak: yeah |
| 06:42.37 | LightVision | i realised that too |
| 06:42.42 | liable | there is some sort of font package for it.. |
| 06:43.08 | ruser | mmmm |
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| 06:43.19 | LightVision | nimak: im not going to use mplayer anyway, it hooks on my dvd, and just reads it repeatly with a black screen and hangs! |
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| 06:43.39 | liable | due to my fucking stupid winmodem baulking on pabx systems, I am on windows atm, so cant even check myself.. |
| 06:43.44 | LightVision | nimak: Kaffeine works, but video is slow and choppy |
| 06:43.55 | ruser | limplayer-fonts - Fonts for mplayer |
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| 06:44.04 | ruser | ups |
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| 06:44.06 | ruser | mplayer-fonts - Fonts for mplayer |
| 06:44.08 | LightVision | liable: I thought no one uses winmodems anymore? |
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| 06:44.22 | liable | LightVision: laptop.. |
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| 06:44.32 | LightVision | liable: ah |
| 06:44.47 | ruser | liable what modem do you have? cause i'm also on laptop and have konexant |
| 06:44.51 | LightVision | ruser: so apt-get install limplayer-fonts ? |
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| 06:45.04 | ruser | btw, anyone ever encountered problems building kernel with loop-aes? http://pastebin.com/358686 |
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| 06:45.11 | ruser | LightVision mplayer-fonts |
| 06:45.12 | ke6isf | LightVision: just mplayer-fonts |
| 06:45.14 | liable | LightVision: and we seem behind the times here, where hotels dont have any sort of wireless or otherwise internet.. |
| 06:45.14 | fik | plese how to remove useless modules from booting |
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| 06:45.25 | LightVision | ke6isf: got it |
| 06:45.33 | LightVision | liable: ah ok |
| 06:45.36 | jm_ | ruser: it worked fine for me when I tried it a while ago with 2.6 kernel, however you don't need it with 2.6 |
| 06:45.39 | ruser | LightVision that was a typo |
| 06:45.43 | ke6isf | fik: Please elaborate? |
| 06:45.43 | liable | ruser: agere, works fine on any line other than through hotel phone systems. |
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| 06:46.00 | nimak | that package doesnt exist |
| 06:46.03 | LightVision | ruser: ok |
| 06:46.07 | jm_ | ruser: sorry I meant to say I tried it with 2.4 |
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| 06:46.21 | LightVision | ruser: does your dvd's play smoothly? |
| 06:46.24 | liable | wish me luck, bios update.. |
| 06:46.26 | ruser | jm_, well, i haven't seen free version of drivers for 33.6 or 56k |
| 06:46.39 | jm_ | ruser: I was refering to loop-aes |
| 06:46.44 | LightVision | ruser: would it run smoother if I copied it to hard drive and played from there? |
| 06:46.49 | ruser | LightVision yes, however i do this: echo 1024 > ! /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq |
| 06:47.03 | ruser | LightVision dunno, always played dvds form disc |
| 06:47.06 | LightVision | ruser: whats that command for? |
| 06:47.15 | ericP | X keyboard driver prob: i am running XFree86 with "XkbModel" "pc106" and "XkbLayout" "jp". this is the same driver i used a couple months ago when i last started X, but now it doesn't seem to handle some of the jp variances. |
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| 06:47.30 | nimak | perhaps LightVision's problem lies in video card drivers |
| 06:47.30 | ruser | LightVision foudn somewhere in documentation or mplayer, when it plays slow, this some how helps |
| 06:47.33 | LightVision | ruser: before I use kaffeine, I type "echo 1024 > ! /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" ? |
| 06:47.48 | LightVision | ruser: great |
| 06:47.50 | ericP | for instance, square brackets are in the wrong place, i have too many \\s, but the ()s are still over the 8 and 9 |
| 06:47.52 | ruser | LightVision once you boot your machine and type that. it should be enough untill next reboot |
| 06:47.56 | LightVision | nimak: ok |
| 06:48.04 | LightVision | ruser: ok |
| 06:48.19 | LightVision | nimak: how can I use a different video driver then? |
| 06:48.21 | ruser | jm_ i had it compiling without anyproblme with make, but here i tried teh kp mantra |
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| 06:48.50 | nimak | i have an nvidia card, and all video was choppy untill i grabbed the nvidia-glx package, and compiled kernel modules |
| 06:49.00 | ruser | LightVision in Xorg.config or XFree w/e you use, plus if it is a ATNI or nvidia you can dl drivers form their sites |
| 06:49.14 | LightVision | nimak: how do I make a backup of dvd to hd? |
| 06:49.19 | LightVision | ruser: ok |
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| 06:49.45 | ruser | jm_ did you look at the pastebin? |
| 06:50.04 | LightVision | ruser: how do I make a backup of dvd to hd? |
| 06:50.20 | oakley | 先生ï¼å¥³å£« |
| 06:50.29 | jm_ | ruser: doesn't mean anything to me, I don't use make-kpkg |
| 06:50.46 | oakley | sorry, wrong stuff, from the onscreen keyboard. |
| 06:51.49 | moreon | oakley: np thanks for verifying I have utf8 working decently in irssi :P |
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| 06:52.37 | ruser | LightVision it will take quite a while to rip a dvd, i suggest you google, cause it is quote a long list of things to do. |
| 06:52.37 | ruser | LightVision what system do you have? perhaps you are filling you your ram, and cpu? cause mplayer alwyas worked great for me. |
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| 06:52.46 | ruser | btw, anyone here uses dri trunk or any of these packages? drm-trunk-module-src xlibmesa-gl1-dri-trunk xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk |
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| 06:53.07 | LightVision | ruser: I unhderstand, thanks |
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| 06:53.27 | LightVision | ruser: using a 800cpu, 256 ram |
| 06:53.30 | liable | phew.. |
| 06:53.30 | alex_ez | damn... dns is wrong configured... |
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| 06:53.34 | oakley | moreon, i have tried irssi, i am lose there. there is this line about [status] and i don't know what to do about it. |
| 06:53.38 | LightVision | liable: well done :) |
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| 06:53.47 | LightVision | liable: your heart was racing eh? :) |
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| 06:54.23 | ruser | oakley that means you are in a status window, there you have to give cmds.... to join a channel.. status says it is awaigin for your cmds, to connect server to join etc... |
| 06:54.24 | liable | LightVision: not much i can do but sit and watch, just dont like doing it, i would be really pissed if it failed.. |
| 06:54.41 | ruser | liable congrats on bios upgrade :) |
| 06:55.12 | nimak | sep. 10 = software freedom day |
| 06:55.15 | liable | I think my ide controller is failing.. cdrom fails on occasion, hard drive hangs on boot.. |
| 06:55.23 | LightVision | liable: why did you update it anyway? |
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| 06:55.31 | comfrey | is security.debian.org down or is it just me? |
| 06:55.32 | liable | cant even boot from cdrom atm.. |
| 06:55.48 | comfrey | ok, i think it is just me |
| 06:55.52 | liable | LightVision: having hardware problems.. longshot |
| 06:55.55 | tcsetattr | security.debian.org looks good to me |
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| 06:56.16 | nimak | shit, i have school tomorrow, and its 3:00 AM |
| 06:56.23 | oakley | ruser: thks, pure text and rather primitive. right now i am with chatzilla. cool stuff. |
| 06:56.33 | john | nimak: :) Happens all the time. Only I'm stuck with work.. but still ;p |
| 06:56.33 | nimak | good night |
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| 06:57.15 | LightVision | ever since I tried to play dvd using mplayer, the CD light is going off like crazy and nothing happening! How can I stop this? I already killed mplayer, but CD is still gojng crazy! |
| 06:57.21 | liable | funny, debian 3.1 bible comes with knoppix.. |
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| 06:57.45 | amphi | LightVision: anything spewing into yr syslog? |
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| 06:57.50 | john | liable: debian 3.1 bible? where could i get my hands on this? |
| 06:57.59 | LightVision | amphi: how can I tell that? |
| 06:58.03 | liable | john: just published |
| 06:58.04 | ruser | oakley i personaly like bitchx |
| 06:58.20 | amphi | tail -f /var/log/syslog or have syslog dumped onto a spare VT |
| 06:58.40 | liable | john: havent had chance to read it yet, thought it wouldnt hurt to get though. |
| 06:58.41 | oakley | ruser, heard of that, but what a name. would a lady use it? |
| 06:59.02 | liable | !bitchx |
| 06:59.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bitchx is a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages |
| 06:59.15 | ruser | oakley well, i don't judge by the name. but yeah.. ladies prbly would not... lady in true meaning of the word |
| 06:59.22 | LightVision | amphi: yes! sys log is filling |
| 06:59.30 | amphi | LightVision: ;) |
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| 06:59.55 | LightVision | amphi: so what I do to stop it? |
| 07:00.00 | ruser | amphi oh, btw, how do you make syslog dumped on spare VT? |
| 07:00.03 | LightVision | amphi: hdc: media error (bad sector): error=0x30 |
| 07:00.15 | LightVision | how can I stop my CD? |
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| 07:00.30 | liable | lsof /dev/cdrom kill the process |
| 07:00.42 | liable | or /dev/hdc.. |
| 07:00.44 | LightVision | amphi: any ideas? |
| 07:00.47 | tcsetattr | add /dev/tty13 as a log file in your syslog.conf, or do a tail -f /var/log/foo > /dev/tty13 & in /etc/rc.something |
| 07:01.02 | LightVision | liable: lsof /dev/cdrom didnt stop it |
| 07:01.17 | oakley | ruser, you know how to use emoticons in chatzilla? it displays alright, but i don't find a selection of them to add to my msg. |
| 07:01.19 | liable | no, it shows the process, kill that.. |
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| 07:01.22 | Langly1 | what is the name of the file that contains the sources for apt-get to use, I forget? |
| 07:01.32 | jm_ | man apt-get |
| 07:01.35 | amphi | LightVision: just wait for it to give up, if mplayer is really killed |
| 07:01.38 | liable | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:01.39 | john | .. /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 07:01.44 | john | list* |
| 07:01.44 | Langly1 | Ah right, thx |
| 07:01.52 | amphi | ruser: I have *.* /dev/tty24 in /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 07:02.03 | LightVision | amphi: yes but its beein going for 10mins and wont stop |
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| 07:02.14 | amphi | LightVision: is mplayer killed? |
| 07:02.20 | ruser | oakley i suppse these are just translations of :) ;) :P etc.... where actaully in plin text (which irc is ) they are just ':' followed by ')' |
| 07:02.27 | LightVision | amphi: yes |
| 07:02.33 | liable | LightVision: what did the lsof command output? |
| 07:02.36 | LightVision | i killed mplayer 10mins ago |
| 07:02.49 | oakley | ruser, ok, got to do it in texts. |
| 07:03.00 | amphi | LightVision: and ps aux | grep mplayer shows nothing? |
| 07:03.05 | LightVision | liable: it said: mount 5887 root 3r BLK 22,0 2812 /dev/hdc |
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| 07:03.26 | liable | LightVision: killall -6 BLK (whatever that is..) |
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| 07:03.45 | tcsetattr | that probably means it's mounted. BLK means block-device |
| 07:03.50 | jm_ | that means it's using block device with major number 22 ;) |
| 07:03.53 | tcsetattr | try umount /dev/hdc |
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| 07:03.59 | LightVision | amphi: it said: root 5939 0.0 0.2 1836 592 pts/5 S+ 17:04 0:00 grep mplayer |
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| 07:04.10 | oakley | ok guys, got to go. see ye later. |
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| 07:04.32 | ruser | hrm.. do i have to redo mkinitrd file after i installed (dpkg -i <krnlpckg>) new kenrel building with make-kpkg?\ |
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| 07:04.41 | jm_ | mkinitrd |
| 07:04.51 | amphi | ruser: why are you using an initrd? |
| 07:05.00 | jm_ | in normal circumstances it will be built automatically |
| 07:05.00 | LightVision | said; umount: /dev/hdc: not mounted |
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| 07:05.22 | ruser | amphi and what should i be using wiht lilo/ |
| 07:05.39 | amphi | ruser: ? |
| 07:05.50 | LightVision | i hgave to reboot :( |
| 07:05.54 | ruser | jm_ so does that means something went wrong? i use lilo, and do no see a record of new kernel image appearing? |
| 07:05.57 | LightVision | CD is going crazy and wont stop |
| 07:06.17 | liable | modprobe -r ide-cd?? |
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| 07:06.29 | LightVision | any last command I can try to totaly KILL the DVD drive? |
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| 07:06.38 | amphi | liable: it'll be busy ;) |
| 07:06.53 | amphi | LightVision: apt-get install lump-hammer |
| 07:06.57 | ruser | amphi sorry, i'm no expert in bootstraps etc... so you have to tell me where am why am i wrong |
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| 07:07.13 | liable | haha |
| 07:07.16 | ruser | lol |
| 07:07.33 | amphi | ruser: an initrd is only necessary if support for yr root fs is built as modules |
| 07:07.36 | jm_ | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 07:07.40 | jm_ | ruser: ^^^^ |
| 07:07.49 | ruser | amphi and i have no idea about waht flag yo uare tlaking about and what is usefull |
| 07:08.08 | amphi | ruser: I was just musing, nothing to do with you |
| 07:08.23 | ruser | amphi ah, okay, i got scared there for a second :) |
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| 07:08.36 | amphi | ruser: I'm installing debian on an old ibook |
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| 07:08.53 | ruser | amphi i use it on compaq presario 2715us laptop |
| 07:09.10 | amphi | ruser: I have it on my stinkpad |
| 07:09.12 | ruser | amphi on old ibook you might want to stick with old kernels like 2.4 |
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| 07:10.25 | CerealVore | is perl broken at the moment? |
| 07:10.37 | CerealVore | either in debian/unstable or in general? |
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| 07:11.03 | ruser | do i need initrd for ext3? afair, ext3 is compiled in |
| 07:11.31 | CerealVore | no, you generally only need initrd if your kernel is above a certain size |
| 07:11.33 | jm_ | that's not the only factor that decides if you need initrd or not |
| 07:11.52 | ruser | jm_ is that general reading for the quesiton waht whent wrong? and why it was not build, or am i looking for the initrd? |
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| 07:12.16 | ruser | jm_ is there a place i can read? i'd assume man initrd should explain all the factors? |
| 07:12.19 | jm_ | ruser: no, that will explain what to do so it's automatically added to your boot loader's config file |
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| 07:12.40 | jm_ | ruser: no, just apply logic, think about all the things you need to mount rootfs |
| 07:12.50 | fireba11 | got a question .. my nagios says check_dhcp is not defined anywhere .. where should that be ? the check exist, it comes with the debain package looks like a debian-specific issue to me so i'm asking here .. |
| 07:13.10 | amphi | !debain |
| 07:13.10 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 07:13.17 | fireba11 | sorry |
| 07:13.33 | fireba11 | happens when i'm typing to fast :-) |
| 07:13.38 | fireba11 | too ^^ |
| 07:13.45 | amphi | fireba11: it's a joke |
| 07:13.47 | ruser | jm_ well, to tell the truth i have no clue about bootloaders, and what is initrd and why is it needed |
| 07:14.06 | jm_ | ruser: then build a kernel that doesn't need it |
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| 07:14.26 | ruser | jm_ duh... i don't know what makes it require one. |
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| 07:14.42 | jm_ | ruser: like I said, apply logic - what's the first thing? |
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| 07:16.09 | ruser | jm_ i'm runing in circles here... i don't know what initrd is... besides the fact that it is a ram disk and in some cases needed for big kernels and if rootfs is understood by fs module.... why would one need and not need initrd..... |
| 07:16.31 | jm_ | ruser: forget about initrd for now, think about what is needed to mount rootfs |
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| 07:16.43 | ruser | without having those questions answered, i barely can apply any logic |
| 07:17.09 | ruser | alright, you'd need to be able understand the fs, i suppose |
| 07:17.18 | jm_ | ok, next? |
| 07:17.34 | ruser | then have bin/mount avialable? |
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| 07:17.52 | jm_ | no, kernel doesn't need that at that stage - next? |
| 07:18.03 | ruser | read the hdd? |
| 07:18.08 | MustangMatt | Hello everyone. |
| 07:18.10 | jm_ | right, what's needed for that? |
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| 07:18.22 | ruser | driver for that? |
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| 07:18.26 | tcsetattr | in order to load modules, the kernel has to able to get them off the disk. IF the driver that is needed to access the disk is located ON the disk (in a module) then you're stuck. |
| 07:18.28 | jm_ | exactly |
| 07:18.46 | amphi | ruser: "open the box with the key inside the box" ;) |
| 07:18.47 | ruser | tcsetattr yes, i understand this far |
| 07:18.55 | ruser | amphi typical deadlock |
| 07:18.59 | tcsetattr | if the driver that's needed to access the disk is _in_ the kernel, then the bootloader (LILO for example) takes care of loading it from the disk before the kernel starts up. |
| 07:18.59 | jm_ | so now think what happens if those things are not available - kernel has to find them somewhere and initrd is a way of doing it |
| 07:19.23 | MustangMatt | Kind of how knoppix will boot off a USB CDROM but then loses its filesystem because once the kernel takes over it doesn't recognize a USB CDROM |
| 07:19.31 | ruser | well, who said, that i'm using LKM for my fs? |
| 07:19.37 | amphi | ugh, that bloody little penguin |
| 07:19.57 | ruser | amphi :) |
| 07:20.08 | tcsetattr | now, the initrd is a second chunk of data that is _also_ loaded into memory by the bootloader. The bootloader (LILO) uses the system's firmware (BIOS) to load these two things from disk (the main kernel image, and the initrd), and then the kernel starts. The driver to access the disk needs to be in one of those two places. |
| 07:20.41 | ruser | jm_, yea, but what else is initrd is used for? |
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| 07:20.58 | jm_ | ruser: RAID setups, encrypted filesystems |
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| 07:21.26 | tcsetattr | initrd might contain a driver for a SCSI controller, or a USB controller, or software RAID, or for ext2 or XFS or whatever filesystem contains the /lib/modules directory. |
| 07:21.28 | djp | does anyone here know how to use bittorrent from the command line? i have just installed it under debian 3.1 |
| 07:21.35 | ruser | jm_, anywhere where i can read about the later? i used to use loop-aes to create encrypted filesystems |
| 07:21.36 | maher | ruser: if you have / on lvm you need the lvm modules in the initrd |
| 07:21.40 | jm_ | djp: yes no doubt someone does |
| 07:21.42 | tcsetattr | anything that stands between the bare kernel and /lib/modules needs to be taken care of by initrd |
| 07:21.43 | dondelelcaro | djp: btdownloadcurses foo.torrent; |
| 07:21.53 | jm_ | ruser: it's only important if / is encrypted |
| 07:22.01 | jm_ | ruser: should be in docs on loop-aes site |
| 07:22.03 | dondelelcaro | djp: or better, use btlaunchmanycurses .; which will find all of the .torrents and start downloading them. |
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| 07:22.43 | maher | ruser: there's a debian dm-crypt howto lying around somewhere |
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| 07:23.00 | djp | dondelelcaro, thanks for that. would you recommend the command line version over the gui one? |
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| 07:23.20 | ruser | tcsetattr thanks for detailed explanation. but i'd imagine, after it mounts the hdd, asuming it gets all the drivesrs for hardware right, there is nothing else that should go in there, right? |
| 07:23.34 | ruser | djp either are good |
| 07:23.36 | dondelelcaro | djp: yes, but then I don't like guis overmuch. |
| 07:23.59 | ruser | maher thanks for the reference |
| 07:24.34 | Gnea | hey has anyone here ever netbooted debian onto an x86 machine? |
| 07:24.50 | Gnea | cuz these sparc docs are not helping |
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| 07:24.58 | Gnea | and PXE is shit :( |
| 07:25.03 | djp | dondelelcaro, :) |
| 07:25.10 | Gnea | complete and utter crap. |
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| 07:26.10 | maher | ruser: you can mount an initrd and look in it if you want to know whats in it |
| 07:26.23 | tcsetattr | yeah, if you build your own kernel customized for a single machine, you usually don't need initrd because you'll put the right drivers in the kernel. If you're building a kernel to go on a CD that will have to boot on hundreds of different machines, then you will tend to think initrd is a good idea because you don't want to include _every_ driver in the kernel |
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| 07:27.48 | Gnea | tcsetattr: that's not it at all, not yet at any rate. i'm just trying to do an installation via local lan to a single i386 system that does not have cdrom nor floppy but has a built-in ethernet. |
| 07:27.49 | ruser | maher oh, thanks, didn't know you can do that |
| 07:28.08 | fireba11 | noone that can help me with nagios ? |
| 07:28.38 | Gnea | nagios? |
| 07:29.01 | Gnea | hrmmm |
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| 07:29.53 | fireba11 | it says taht check_dhcp is not defined .. since that check is included in the debian package i'm a bit confused since all other checks seems to be configured correctly already |
| 07:30.00 | liable | hmm, cant msg dpkg.. identified and all.. |
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| 07:30.03 | fireba11 | also, i got no clue where ti expects it to be defined |
| 07:30.15 | liable | !hi |
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| 07:30.15 | dpkg | hello, liable |
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| 07:30.22 | Gnea | !tell liable about ask |
| 07:30.32 | liable | Gnea: cheers :) |
| 07:30.36 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:30.45 | djp | dondelelcaro, brilliant, bittorrent working like a charm from command line. by the way, how would i cancel a download? |
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| 07:33.16 | tcsetattr | I got Bug#327327 |
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| 07:33.21 | tcsetattr | cool number |
| 07:34.08 | saloxin | Gnea: the netboot stuff and dnsmasq wroked liek a charm for me |
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| 07:36.41 | Gnea | saloxin: yes, that's nice, and you read where and what how to set it up? |
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| 07:37.19 | ruser | what that means? |
| 07:37.20 | ruser | Warning: Kernel & BIOS return differing head/sector geometries for device 0x80 |
| 07:37.21 | ruser | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.21 | ruser | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.33 | md-afk | Hi all, i am getting some LoopBreak warning on e2fsprogs |
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| 07:37.48 | Gnea | ruser: looks like a new hard drive on an older system |
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| 07:38.13 | ruser | Gnea so, i can safely ignore it? i never seen this before, no hardware configuration has changed |
| 07:38.19 | fireba11 | ruser: also looks like both settigns should result in the same size .. |
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| 07:38.25 | tcsetattr | I've seen that before, and ignored it |
| 07:38.30 | Gnea | ruser: hell no! that's BAD |
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| 07:38.32 | ruser | fireba11 dind't have a calculator handy :/ |
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| 07:38.54 | Gnea | ruser: you probably want to tell the kernel to load the bios values direct |
| 07:39.02 | ruser | Gnea how do i do that? |
| 07:39.10 | ruser | Gnea and why i see it only now? |
| 07:39.16 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.21 | tcsetattr | geometry doesn't mean crap as long as you're using LBA |
| 07:39.22 | Gnea | ruser: dunno |
| 07:39.36 | Gnea | ruser: how old's the system and drive? |
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| 07:40.24 | Langly1 | need to find a way to get the composite in and out video working for a Chips and Tech F65554 video card on my laptop, been googling a ton, not having much luck |
| 07:40.26 | fireba11 | ruser: just calculated it .. that's far from being the same size in total .. u should better check if the drive is okay i guess |
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| 07:40.29 | ruser | Gnea i've never seen this before and i used debina on this machine for about a year... the amchine itslef is 2 or 3 years old. laptop. and i decided to recompile the kernel using debina way |
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| 07:40.58 | ruser | tcsetattr what's LBA? |
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| 07:41.48 | ruser | wonder, oculd it be, the new version of lilo? |
| 07:42.08 | isam | it seems that there is a problem in "postrm" xlibs_6.8.2.dfsg.1-6_all.deb which was added to etch recently it seems |
| 07:42.22 | isam | /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postrm: line 886: replace_conffile_with_symlink_rollback: command not found |
| 07:42.26 | Langly1 | Um, LBA has to do with hard drive access and structure, not lilo, google ffs |
| 07:42.30 | berto | hello, I have installed debian testing to my pc (P IV hyperthreading 3Ghz + DFI 915p-TAG motherboard). I have installed the acpid package, but when I want to shutdown (halt or shutdown -h now) the system go off, but the pc is always on. Is there something special to do ? knoppix 3.9 do the same, but the live CD based on gentoo 'System Rescue CD 0.2.15' turn all off. Have you got any idea ? thx |
| 07:42.32 | saloxin | Gnea: installer manual - just translated to dnsmasq instead of bind.. my config is on krutt.org/tmp/dnsmasq.conf -> dhcp-boot=/pxelinux.0,boothost,10.0.0.4 |
| 07:43.21 | tcsetattr | lilo has an "lba32" keyword which you should always be using unless this is 1994 |
| 07:43.29 | Langly1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_block_addressing |
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| 07:44.21 | ruser | Langly1 thanks. sometimes after asking few questions you don't really stop for thinking and go on asking, plus here you get asnwer faster, and in easier more undestandable manner, plus it is a dialog |
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| 07:44.58 | mhall | What's the canonical X program that replaces Visio for flowcharting? |
| 07:45.03 | tcsetattr | hell, LBA32 is the second generation of LINEAR addressing mode which originally made geometry irrelevant |
| 07:45.08 | berto | I have installed the same system on a AMD wih asus mobo and all is fine. what should I verify to understand why my pc don't shutdown ? |
| 07:45.09 | saloxin | mhall: dia! |
| 07:45.21 | bbb | I have a woody box. I say apt-get -u dist-upgrade and it says me it will remove samba, perl and some other important package. Is it normal ? |
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| 07:45.49 | bbb | btw, the purpose is to upgrade it to sarge (the sources.list has been modified) |
| 07:45.52 | ruser | mhall dia |
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| 07:45.57 | tcsetattr | bbb, have you read the sarge release notes? |
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| 07:46.11 | mhall | Yeah, dia it is then. I suspected as much but wanted to check. |
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| 07:46.23 | mhall | How do you get the text labels centered neatly in the flow symbols? |
| 07:46.42 | ruser | mhall aren't they be defualt? |
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| 07:47.09 | ruser | mhall i think you had to double click somewhere or something like that, there are not that many menus, poke around :) |
| 07:47.13 | bbb | tcsetattr, no, I will just now and come back after if it does not work, thk |
| 07:47.21 | gallen | hi, anyone know what the equivilent of redhats /etc/sysconfing/network is in debian? |
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| 07:47.41 | tcsetattr | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:47.56 | rcc_eric | newbie here |
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| 07:48.06 | rcc_eric | i need help |
| 07:48.11 | gallen | thanks |
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| 07:48.19 | Langly1 | mental help, or with debian? |
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| 07:48.32 | Gnea | !tell rcc_eric about newbie-guide |
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| 07:48.52 | ruser | mkay,, i don't have knoppix handy, but lets hope reboot goes fine |
| 07:48.54 | anibal | gallem, use ifup/ifdown to take interfaces up/down |
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| 07:49.05 | berto | nobody knwo what should be installed/verified to shutdown completly a pc ? :( |
| 07:49.24 | TwistedEmotions | How do I find out the name of the tvtuner card that I have installed? |
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| 07:49.35 | tcsetattr | Twisted, try lspci |
| 07:49.40 | jm_ | berto: /msg dpkg power down |
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| 07:49.46 | saloxin | berto: it's usually a combination of bios settings and acpi and/or apm. you'll have to poke around |
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| 07:49.58 | TwistedEmotions | tcsetattr: thanks |
| 07:50.11 | berto | thx.... |
| 07:50.28 | gallen | im trying to enable ltsp - does this syntax look ok to put in /etc/network/interfaces | NETWORKING=YES | HOSTNAME=FOO NISDOMAIN=ltsp ? |
| 07:50.31 | anibal | rcc_eric, don't ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 07:50.52 | liable | mmmm beef. |
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| 07:51.48 | saloxin | gallen: nooo. man interfaces |
| 07:51.52 | djp | how do i enable dma on my cd-rom drives under debian? |
| 07:52.10 | liable | djp: hdparm |
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| 07:52.40 | djp | liable, just add dma = on entries for relevant drives, right? |
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| 07:52.59 | locloc | hello, I have installed samba per apt-get install samba. now I want to deinstall samba. I use debian 3.1 and have a graphical user interface. What is the best way to deinstall software? |
| 07:53.05 | liable | djp: you can do it from cli to check first. |
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| 07:53.45 | anibal | locloc, dpkg -r samba |
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| 07:53.54 | berto | jm_, the acpi module is loaded and the acpid package installed since when I put on the power button, my pc receive a BUTTON_PWR message and the system shut down, but the pc don't :( |
| 07:54.04 | liable | locloc: if you like gui's try out synaptic. otherwise man apt-get or apt-get install apt-howto |
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| 07:54.59 | locloc | anibal: what does dpkg mean? (like cp means copy) |
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| 07:55.28 | anibal | locloc, dpkg - package manager for Debian |
| 07:55.35 | liable | locloc: you should use apt-get really, apt-get remove samba |
| 07:55.37 | locloc | liable: man pages are already through.. Try to see what synaptic ist |
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| 07:55.48 | berto | locloc, de-package i think :) |
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| 07:56.09 | rawiramdhan | clear |
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| 07:56.16 | liable | as mud.. |
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| 07:56.38 | locloc | thanks @ all. now I try my new knowledge :) |
| 07:56.49 | rcc_eric | how can i install yahoo messenger in my ubuntu |
| 07:56.56 | ruser | okay, booted successfully, however, for some reaons can't login, :/ |
| 07:57.06 | liable | how about asking #ubuntu? |
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| 07:58.05 | JMF | hello all |
| 07:58.20 | liable | !hello JMF |
| 07:58.24 | fireba11 | hi JMF |
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| 07:58.37 | amphi | the salutations of a dark morning, JMF |
| 07:58.49 | JMF | I have a problem with a IA-64 server |
| 07:59.04 | JMF | I downloaded the Sarge NetInst |
| 07:59.16 | liable | for 1a-64? |
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| 07:59.28 | JMF | checked the checksum, burnt it with verify enabled |
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| 07:59.35 | JMF | liable: yes |
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| 07:59.48 | JMF | but I can't boot on it |
| 08:00.05 | JMF | the CD is found but seems to hang the server |
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| 08:00.46 | JMF | I installed the i386 version several times without any problem |
| 08:00.55 | JMF | so I am surprised |
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| 08:01.29 | Trewas | are you sure you should be using ia-64 (itanium)? |
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| 08:02.43 | JMF | Trewas: I have been said the server (which is remote) is a IA-64 one but after so many tries, I am also guessing if it is not an AMD64 |
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| 08:03.37 | jarango | has kdevelop been removed from the repositories ? |
| 08:03.52 | tcsetattr | if you can boot i386 on it, cat /proc/cpuinfo to find out what type the processor really is |
| 08:04.01 | gallen | im trying to enable ltsp - does this syntax look ok to put in /etc/network/interfaces | NETWORKING=YES | HOSTNAME=FOO NISDOMAIN=ltsp ? |
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| 08:04.28 | JMF | tcsetattr: ok, I'll try that |
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| 08:04.38 | JMF | thanks |
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| 08:05.08 | anibal | JMF, you should file a intallation report |
| 08:05.32 | anibal | s/a /an |
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| 08:05.52 | djp | ok, i need to install hdparm. is there a reason it is not installed by default on debian? is it advisable not to use dma on my drives under debian for any reason? |
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| 08:06.45 | jarango | has kdevelop been removed from the repositories ? |
| 08:06.53 | JMF | anibal: are you sure ? I think the problem is on my side because I am probably not the first one in 3 months to install the IA-64 version ;) |
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| 08:07.15 | rawiramdhan | apt tell me about suse |
| 08:07.25 | rawiramdhan | dpkg tell me about suse |
| 08:07.26 | Virtual | I ma getting this error while trying to compile dg library : checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 08:07.30 | Virtual | any idea why? |
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| 08:07.45 | djp | does hdparm need to be installed in order to have dma activated? |
| 08:07.49 | liable | djp: just install it. make sure you read up on it though.. |
| 08:07.59 | liable | djp: yes |
| 08:08.11 | tcsetattr | dhdparm is supposed to be unnecessary if you have the correct driver for your IDE controller |
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| 08:08.13 | amphi | Virtual: install the libc dev package |
| 08:08.15 | Virtual | also I get that error while trying to compile mrtg, haven`t tryed to compile anything esle yet |
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| 08:08.33 | djp | liable, have installed it and it tells me that dma is enabled on both drives without me making any entries to my hdparm.conf file. |
| 08:08.36 | tcsetattr | the way to get a working C compiler with the least typing is "apt-get install build-essential" |
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| 08:08.47 | tbj | how can i install libqt3-mt-dev without screwing up 148 other packages which break when i try to select it in aptitude? |
| 08:09.00 | Virtual | amphi: libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 08:09.03 | liable | djp: be happy then.. |
| 08:09.05 | amphi | Virtual: install the libc dev package |
| 08:09.11 | djp | liable, :) |
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| 08:09.46 | djp | liable, very happy with my debian 3.1 install... not so sure about the 2 year old who is climbing all over my back as i type though... ;) |
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| 08:09.52 | Virtual | also I get that error while trying to compile mrtg, haven`t tryed to compile anything esle yet |
| 08:09.56 | Virtual | amphi: libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 08:10.00 | ruser | mkay... wierd.... for some reaosn no longer can login as root, but that is only a benifit for me. i meant to stop running everything as root |
| 08:10.10 | liable | djp: hah. :P |
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| 08:10.17 | amphi | Virtual: loop detected ;) I did say the _dev_ package |
| 08:10.24 | tcsetattr | there are none so blind as those who will not see (the word "dev") |
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| 08:10.35 | Virtual | amphi: sorry :) |
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| 08:11.11 | jarango | What happened to kdevelop3 package ? apt-get install says its not available |
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| 08:12.46 | tcsetattr | mine says "Need to get 10.5MB of archives" |
| 08:13.04 | V1k0`` | hello people what was the name of irc client for linux...issirc but the exact name? |
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| 08:13.24 | streuner | jarango: show us your sources.list (don't flood) |
| 08:13.29 | streuner | irssi-text |
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| 08:13.38 | V1k0`` | streuner: thanks |
| 08:13.49 | tbj | when is the kde breakage going to be fixed, what a nightmare. |
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| 08:13.59 | ruser | what the hell, why can't i login as root from console.... |
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| 08:14.17 | tcsetattr | ruser, mangled /etc/securetty? |
| 08:14.50 | jarango | streuner: deb ftp://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 08:14.51 | streuner | tbj: in debian are many other wm's avaiable, just switch |
| 08:14.56 | tbj | couldn't they have just kept it all in testing until more than 0.5% of the packages were recompiled |
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| 08:15.26 | ruser | tcsetattr looks okay to me |
| 08:15.30 | tbj | i can't even install qt without breaking 200 packages |
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| 08:15.47 | tcsetattr | KDE breakage is a good excuse to try out ratpoison! |
| 08:15.52 | anibal | V1k0``, irssi-text as streuner said, however it will become irssi, see http://bugs.debian.org/327152 |
| 08:16.29 | ruser | tcsetattr any other ideas? |
| 08:16.33 | V1k0`` | hahah oki:) |
| 08:16.36 | V1k0`` | thanks |
| 08:16.40 | V1k0`` | i`ve got it already |
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| 08:16.40 | jarango | streuner: It seems I need to use "unstable" instead of "testing" |
| 08:16.44 | tcsetattr | ruser, what is the error message? |
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| 08:16.53 | tbj | i want to install qt and keep kde, not go exploring. the people in charge should have more foresight |
| 08:17.05 | Guerin | tbj: what branch are you using? |
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| 08:17.23 | ruser | tcsetattr "Login incorrect" btw, what is the console name for the xdm login window? |
| 08:17.49 | tcsetattr | uh, are you talking about xconsole? |
| 08:17.50 | tbj | unstable |
| 08:17.59 | streuner | jarango: did you look at pdo? |
| 08:18.01 | Guerin | tbj: it's fucking unstable. Deal. |
| 08:18.19 | tbj | i understand it's called 'unstable', but this is ridiculous |
| 08:18.39 | ruser | tcsetattr well, say, i wanted to login into X (in my case xdm with ion3) to fittle with configuration issues. so i ugess that would be xconsole |
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| 08:19.04 | Guerin | tbj: no, it's utterly expected, given that sid is undergoing an x server transition, a kde version transition AND a g++ abi transition all at the same time |
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| 08:19.29 | jarango | streuner: I just figured that I need to use unstable. |
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| 08:19.44 | Guerin | tbj: if you don't want breakage, use stable. If you want to use new shiny stuff while not suffering catastroophic failure, run unstable chrooted within a stable system |
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| 08:19.47 | streuner | jarango: read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:19.51 | saloxin | tbj: /msg dpkg break |
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| 08:20.00 | Guerin | jarango: you don't |
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| 08:20.08 | Guerin | jarango: use testing, if you absolutely must |
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| 08:20.22 | tcsetattr | ruser, I don't know what you're talking about. xdm is the daemon that puts the basic login window on the X server... among other things... sometimes it shows an xconsole in the corner... your question was unclear and I'm only trying to guess what you really meant. |
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| 08:20.33 | tbj | yeah, i'll just 30 different systems because unstable lately seems to mean 'retarded' |
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| 08:21.12 | streuner | jarango: changing to unstable causes sometimes headaches, do you think you need kdedevelop? |
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| 08:21.16 | ruser | tcsetattr ah... okay, i know now waht you mean by xconsole. nvm about that. sorry. but yeah. securetty looks okay to me.. i dont' see anything wrong with it |
| 08:21.18 | Guerin | tbj: no, it actually MEANS unstable. This is what happens after a release; all the packages which were being trated with caution due to the release are being put in to see what breaks. |
| 08:21.28 | tbj | i don't understand why they couldn't just keep it all in testing instead of moving this whole experiment into unstable |
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| 08:21.38 | Guerin | tbj: what? |
| 08:21.48 | jarango | streuner: I do need it |
| 08:21.49 | tcsetattr | nothing goes into testing without being in unstable first |
| 08:21.50 | Guerin | tbj: it happens in unstable BEFORE it happens in testing. |
| 08:21.58 | tbj | the kde transition |
| 08:22.03 | caphuso | ARGH |
| 08:22.05 | tbj | oh, i meant experimental |
| 08:22.06 | Guerin | !moron tbj |
| 08:22.07 | dpkg | tbj: You are moron #25 |
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| 08:22.19 | caphuso | tbj: because experimental isn't suitable for such a thing |
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| 08:22.51 | caphuso | and if it were made suitable, then clueless idiots would run experimental on the 30 systems they have to take care of |
| 08:22.53 | tbj | or whichever branch is supposed to be for 'unusable, experimental crap not for anyone but the small minority working on it' |
| 08:23.05 | caphuso | and we had the damn same situation again |
| 08:23.13 | Guerin | tbj: that would be unstable |
| 08:23.13 | caphuso | tbj: that's unstable |
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| 08:23.25 | tbj | people use unstable to keep up to date |
| 08:23.31 | caphuso | tbj: because they're stupid |
| 08:23.34 | caphuso | http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ |
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| 08:23.37 | Guerin | STUPID people use unstable to keep up to date |
| 08:23.39 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:23.39 | tbj | no, you're stupid |
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| 08:23.49 | caphuso | "sid" is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This can result in a very "unstable" system which contains packages that cannot be installed due to missing libraries, dependencies that cannot be fulfilled etc. Use it at your own risk! |
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| 08:23.55 | tbj | jesus, debian elites |
| 08:23.56 | Guerin | tbj: actually, MY unstable boxen are working fine. |
| 08:23.58 | Guerin | no |
| 08:24.01 | Guerin | not elites |
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| 08:24.06 | jarango | streuner: What I usually do in these cases is change sources.list to "unstable", install the package I want, then change sources.list back to "testing" |
| 08:24.06 | Guerin | use the right tool for the job |
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| 08:24.17 | inu | you just set the bar very low tbj |
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| 08:24.27 | IO80 | hi all!!!! |
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| 08:25.44 | Guerin | jarango: that's extremely unwise |
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| 08:26.44 | ruser | wth, waht do i have to put in sudoers in orer to allow user to su :/ |
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| 08:26.55 | dondelelcaro | ruser: just sudo su; |
| 08:26.56 | tcsetattr | su and sudo are unrelated |
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| 08:27.07 | caphuso | just use su |
| 08:27.09 | tcsetattr | unless you do something silly like "sudo su" :) |
| 08:27.15 | caphuso | why would you need sudo to run su? |
| 08:27.16 | jethro | just use sudo -u |
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| 08:27.38 | ruser | so many advices, but neither will work without proper sudoers |
| 08:27.45 | caphuso | mine will |
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| 08:28.00 | jethro | sudo -u would work with user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 08:28.09 | jarango | Guerin: not necessarily, I do read the list of packages that are going to be installed, if no drastic changes are taking place then it should be very safe. For example, temporarily switching to "unstable" and installing kdevelop3 only installs the develop packages and no other packages from "unstable" are installed |
| 08:28.09 | ruser | caphuso user@127:/etc$ cat /etc/sudoers |
| 08:28.09 | ruser | cat: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied |
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| 08:28.17 | ruser | ups |
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| 08:28.22 | ruser | sorry |
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| 08:28.36 | ruser | caphuso i meant to post su: Authentication failure |
| 08:28.40 | |krusty| | anyone here know why apitiude is unbelieveable slow "loading cache".. i'm using sarge on a pentium 1 here (pc-104). |
| 08:29.02 | dondelelcaro | |krusty|: uh, because the cache is big and the Packages files are gigantic? |
| 08:29.03 | caphuso | |krusty|: probably because you have a pentium-1 ;-) |
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| 08:29.05 | IO80 | I would have a big problem.... I should install a O.S. Linux on a PIII 256Mb Ram, 512Mb HD (it is a Compact Flash installed via IDE) with USB, Audio, Video, Lan.... I should guarantee data integrity and safe system... What file system could I use? what Linux distribution should I use? |
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| 08:29.29 | ruser | ha, asking waht distro to use on debian channel :) |
| 08:29.29 | Guerin | IO80: ext2, debian, backups. |
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| 08:29.43 | ruser | Guerin why not ext3? |
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| 08:29.56 | Guerin | ruser: too many writes hurts flash memory |
| 08:30.01 | IO80 | Guerin r u sure? It is better use a Journaling File System |
| 08:30.06 | Guerin | no |
| 08:30.08 | caphuso | IO80: not on CF |
| 08:30.10 | |krusty| | dondelelcare: i guessed so.. but is there a way show only a part of the package tree.. for instance the devel tree? |
| 08:30.16 | Guerin | google if you don't believe me |
| 08:30.22 | d0uglas | i'm trying to apt-get me an mta, but apt's going crazy removing old ones and processing new ones ... could someone kindly take a look? http://pastebin.com/358724 |
| 08:30.34 | Guerin | d0uglas: you already have one installed. Use it. |
| 08:30.41 | dondelelcaro | |krusty|: if you only want to see certain things, apt-cache search; is probably best |
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| 08:30.52 | liable | |krusty|: apt-cache search *-dev :P |
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| 08:30.59 | IO80 | Guerin If I use ext2 for system and reiserfs for data.. is it a bad idea? |
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| 08:31.05 | d0uglas | connection refused baby, tried to switch and only got through an uninstall of one |
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| 08:31.22 | Guerin | IO80: yes, because reiserfs is a) utter shit and b) a journalling filesystem |
| 08:31.23 | caphuso | d0uglas: that's a bug in adduser, it can't handle non-shadowed passwords right now |
| 08:31.42 | Guerin | d0uglas: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 08:31.52 | Guerin | d0uglas: it's saying connection refused because you TOLD IT TO |
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| 08:32.18 | d0uglas | Guerin: i know but i changed my mind; caphuso: so i must shadow to fix this? |
| 08:32.20 | |krusty| | dondelelcaro / liable: thanks |
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| 08:32.33 | ruser | caphuso i copy-pasted my password to make sure i did not make any typos, neither su; nor sudo -u worked |
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| 08:32.56 | caphuso | d0uglas: if you don't have a really good reason to use non-shadowed passwords, then yes |
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| 08:33.02 | IO80 | Guerin if i use Debian... I'm able to install it in 512Mb with space for data and with a X window? |
| 08:33.12 | Guerin | IO80: sure thing. |
| 08:33.20 | Guerin | ruser: if su; didn't give you root, your system is unusably broken. /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 08:33.45 | d0uglas | caphuso: ok .. dpkg reconfig passwd (right?) |
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| 08:34.00 | caphuso | d0uglas: shadowconfig on |
| 08:34.09 | d0uglas | thanks |
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| 08:34.21 | IO80 | thank u Guerin! |
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| 08:34.27 | saloxin | IO80: i thnk normal install is like 240mb. if you exit installer before pkg managment you get away with 80 |
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| 08:35.17 | liable | is base install that little? |
| 08:35.18 | d0uglas | yay it worked thank you caphuso |
| 08:35.27 | d0uglas | had a million error messages but it worked |
| 08:35.28 | ruser | Guerin but i did manage to login on tty1 as root... so i'm not seeing what is broken. btw my sudoers has user ALL = (ALL) ALL entry |
| 08:35.33 | |krusty| | dondelelcaro: pressing l in aptitude was easier |
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| 08:36.43 | Guerin | ruser: you realise you have to enter your USER password for sudo, right? |
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| 08:37.16 | IO80 | saloxin... what do u mean with "you get away with 80"? I'm italian and I didn't understand this piece of sentence... :( |
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| 08:37.26 | IO80 | sorry... :( |
| 08:37.33 | Guerin | IO80: 80 megabytes |
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| 08:37.54 | ruser | Guerin duhhhh.. this is what happens if you have been working as root all your life.... |
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| 08:38.05 | Guerin | ... |
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| 08:38.13 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 08:38.19 | liable | or to get root.. :P |
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| 08:38.26 | ruser | Guerin i decided to move from root away completly |
| 08:38.32 | IO80 | yes... ok...but I don't understand what he means... :( |
| 08:38.35 | Guerin | ruser: extremely wise, in your case |
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| 08:39.01 | IO80 | i will have 80Mb free? |
| 08:39.13 | ruser | Guerin haha, thanks, you truly belive in me :) actauly suppresengly enough never broke anything that i was not supposed to. :) |
| 08:39.18 | liable | no, you will use 80. |
| 08:39.26 | Guerin | i think he means 80MB used |
| 08:39.37 | IO80 | ah ok! :) tnx! |
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| 08:40.01 | Guerin | ruser: with typing like that, I expect you just got a lot of bash: bhsg: command not found |
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| 08:40.08 | aan | halo |
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| 08:40.50 | d0uglas | woah. apt just removed mysql-server-4.1 .. if i apt it back in might my databases still be instact? like this never happened? |
| 08:40.55 | tcsetattr | ... all for the phrase "get away with" |
| 08:40.59 | saloxin | IO80: heh, if you shortcut the installer, before it starts installing extra packages (like ssh, less, vim etc), the base install takes 80Mb. this is not recommended though, as system is difficult to use |
| 08:41.16 | d0uglas | well, i'll find out |
| 08:41.18 | |krusty| | another Q: next to the package gdb in aptitude.. it says 'c' instead of 'p'.. and when trying to install gdb (using +).. it brings up the "enter new package tree limit" dialog.. anyone? |
| 08:41.31 | liable | apt just removed?? you let it remove?? |
| 08:41.35 | ruser | Guerin well, first of all english is not my first language, enen tho i speak fluently, i can't spell... second, latin is not my faivourite alphabet, and third, i tend to type to fast. fourth, i don't type as fast as this when i give cmds :) it happens tho. please excuse my bad typing |
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| 08:41.42 | d0uglas | it just did it! |
| 08:41.42 | jm_ | mysql server's configuration asks you if you want it to remove databases when you remove it |
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| 08:41.50 | Guerin | ruser: heheh :) |
| 08:41.57 | tcsetattr | difficult to use? if you think SunOS 4 was hard to use, maybe. But if you think that you're a pansy. |
| 08:42.08 | d0uglas | ok it's back in there everything works find... nevermind :) |
| 08:42.08 | liable | d0uglas: sure, and when you hit 'y'.. |
| 08:42.09 | d0uglas | close one |
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| 08:42.13 | ruser | Guerin still bothers me, why can't i get root with `su` |
| 08:42.24 | IO80 | thank u saloxin! however i should install support for lan and a window manager...like xfree or similar... |
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| 08:42.32 | d0uglas | liable i'll pastebin the mofo if you'd like, it just snuck it right by me |
| 08:42.37 | Guerin | ruser: copying and pasting you pass may or may not work |
| 08:42.37 | tcsetattr | does Debian su enforce the wheel group? |
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| 08:42.50 | Guerin | tcsetattr: nope |
| 08:42.50 | jethro | ruser: you're using debian, and didn't modify files in /etc/pam.d ? |
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| 08:43.12 | d0uglas | this has to be the most exciting distro |
| 08:43.15 | ruser | Guerin neither typing it in (i can type it without typose even blindfolded) nor copy-pasting worked |
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| 08:43.24 | ruser | jethro yes and yes |
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| 08:43.30 | Guerin | ruser: change your root pass and try again |
| 08:43.38 | Guerin | something's fucked up and you should change it |
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| 08:43.46 | saloxin | IO80: 400Mb is a little tight, but should work if you take care |
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| 08:43.49 | Guerin | it may be that your su binary is corrupt or has been fucked with |
| 08:44.13 | tcsetattr | have you tried the obvious, look in /var/log/auth.log |
| 08:44.19 | ruser | Guerin not a public system, don't think it has been compromised but you never know :/ |
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| 08:45.12 | ruser | tcsetattr yes, especially when i couldn't login as root anywhere :) but it just says Sep 9 04:26:14 127 su[2550]: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure |
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| 08:45.35 | ruser | tcsetattr or: Sep 9 04:13:28 127 login[2394]: FAILED LOGIN (2) on `tty2' FOR `root', Authentication failure |
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| 08:46.51 | eXa_bOy | hi where could i go to get help with my wireless connections |
| 08:46.56 | eXa_bOy | non debian related |
| 08:47.22 | ^Duffy^ | in a non-debian related channel |
| 08:47.26 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: #wireless |
| 08:47.33 | ^Duffy^ | brb |
| 08:47.38 | Guerin | ^Duffy^: awfully helpful |
| 08:48.10 | streuner | Guerin: friendly too? |
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| 08:48.25 | streuner | ;-) |
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| 08:48.56 | IO80 | ok saloxin! thank u1 |
| 08:49.22 | streuner | Channel Users Topic |
| 08:49.22 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:49.30 | d0uglas | do 10K rpm drives screw up/crash sooner than, say, a 5400 one, both constantly spinning? |
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| 08:49.44 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: that's totally dependent on drive design |
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| 08:49.55 | d0uglas | all other things being as equal as possible ... |
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| 08:51.09 | fireba11 | 10k drieves are usually designed for enterprise use, thus build sturdier .. but no real relation between rpm and failure rate |
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| 08:51.19 | ruser | is it possible to run X applications while `su`ing? |
| 08:51.27 | DomHowells | OK. Here at college we have a couple of servers running woody, and some running sarge. Now sarge is stable, we want to upgrade woodies to sarge, and also to stop the sarge ones continuing to follow the testing branch. |
| 08:51.30 | d0uglas | fireba11: i see .. any brand recommendation? |
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| 08:51.35 | saloxin | ruser: use sux instead of su |
| 08:51.37 | jm_ | ruser: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 08:51.52 | DomHowells | are these two lines in apt sources sufficient deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 08:51.52 | DomHowells | deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 08:52.00 | tcsetattr | one of the things you should give up is running X programs as root. |
| 08:52.06 | fireba11 | d0uglas: not really .. had a couple dead WD and maxtor lately though |
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| 08:52.20 | d0uglas | wd? :( |
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| 08:52.30 | d0uglas | how about seagate |
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| 08:52.56 | streuner | deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 08:53.02 | Guerin | streuner: helpful > friendly |
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| 08:53.09 | Guerin | as you know |
| 08:53.17 | fireba11 | d0uglas: yes .. that was about a year ago though .. but they can die on you no matter what brand if you are unlucky |
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| 08:53.38 | d0uglas | ok well no prob then, i'm lucky |
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| 08:53.56 | streuner | DomHowells: looks ok to me. |
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| 08:54.35 | Guerin | or even finding out whether there IS sea passage between said countried |
| 08:54.36 | Guerin | s |
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| 08:54.49 | Gnea | DomHowells: looks good for the woody machines, if sarge is using etch you'll need to completely reinstall |
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| 08:55.19 | streuner | Guerin: why do you want go by ship? |
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| 08:55.42 | DomHowells | Gnea, do you think it is likely that the machines will have moved on down the testing line to etch? |
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| 08:56.22 | Gnea | DomHowells: that depends how long ago an update/upgrade/dist-upgrade were performed with the word 'testing' in any of the deb lines. |
| 08:56.22 | Guerin | streuner: the whole point of an overland trip is to not use aeroplanes ... and land passage from thailand to india is infeasible |
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| 08:56.37 | Guerin | streuner: unless we go via china, which is a Shitload Of Hassle |
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| 08:56.51 | locloc | Hi! How can I enable other users in the network (windows and linux machines) to read and write a folder on my debian server? (debian 3.1) |
| 08:57.03 | Guerin | locloc: samba |
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| 08:57.11 | Guerin | locloc: irc channel of the same name |
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| 08:57.17 | Gnea | Guerin: get a raft |
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| 08:57.42 | Guerin | Gnea: i'd rather fly ... and I hate planes |
| 08:57.57 | locloc | guerin: samba doesn't work with my svn-server. any other suggestions? |
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| 08:57.58 | DomHowells | I see, so machines with the line "deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian testing main contrib non-free" will be on etch if they have been apt-get update since the release of etch? |
| 08:58.07 | Guerin | locloc: ftp |
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| 08:58.30 | Gnea | Guerin: understandable, but flying is probably your best bet |
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| 08:58.37 | tcsetattr | s/release of etch/creation of etch/ |
| 08:58.43 | streuner | DomHowells: yes |
| 08:58.47 | Gnea | DomHowells: that is correct |
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| 08:58.49 | Guerin | Gnea: yeah. |
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| 08:59.25 | Gnea | Guerin: well hurry up and get back on irc when ya land so i know ya made it alright :) |
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| 08:59.57 | Guerin | Gnea: the andaman islands are much closer to thailand than to india, but they're indian territory ... you can get from andaman to india easily, but the link from thailand to port blair is the tricky one |
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| 09:00.19 | Gnea | Guerin: i can only imagine |
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| 09:00.47 | Gnea | damn french are trying to put us to sleep |
| 09:00.48 | Gnea | j/k |
| 09:00.50 | Gnea | :) |
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| 09:02.38 | leenders_ | apt tell em about suse |
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| 09:02.47 | leenders_ | dpkg tell me about suse |
| 09:02.53 | leenders_ | apt tell me about debian |
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| 09:03.24 | Guerin | french? where? |
| 09:03.43 | vorlon | leenders_: this channel is not here for the purpose of giving you an audience while playing with bots. Please use /msg instead. |
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| 09:04.30 | QUACH-VU | hi what should i do when i stop a process but my RAM memory didnt release the process from memory? when i did like this 4-5 times it use all RAM memory and SWAP and then my server get slower and then freeze |
| 09:04.53 | dondelelcaro | QUACH-VU: what is the output from free? and ps for the processes in question? |
| 09:05.02 | dondelelcaro | QUACH-VU: use the paster bot to paste that output. |
| 09:05.09 | streuner | leenders_: /msg (message) dpkg, ravenbird, apt (bots) foo (factoid) |
| 09:05.22 | bomb | yo, i've gotten xorg to lock up several times to the point where i am forced to power down at the power supply (power button ceases to function) |
| 09:05.22 | QUACH-VU | gera129:~ # free |
| 09:05.22 | QUACH-VU | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.22 | QUACH-VU | Mem: 2065192 472684 1592508 0 16460 206360 |
| 09:05.22 | QUACH-VU | -/+ buffers/cache: 249864 1815328 |
| 09:05.22 | QUACH-VU | Swap: 530136 0 530136 |
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| 09:05.27 | cusco | lol |
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| 09:05.35 | bomb | is it possible to find out why this is happening even though it's locking up like this? |
| 09:05.37 | biosedit | ?how can used the procedure on /opt with shell |
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| 09:05.46 | dondelelcaro | QUACH-VU: you notice the fact that you've got 1815328 free? |
| 09:05.49 | fireba11 | how that? |
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| 09:06.52 | biosedit | change whitch in /etc |
| 09:07.08 | QUACH-VU | dondelelcaro yes i know but when i stop that process the RAM didnt release that process from RAM, and if i continue to load another process it will add that new process into RAM and didnt stop the old process |
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| 09:07.51 | QUACH-VU | finally it use all RAM resouce and server become slower |
| 09:07.54 | dondelelcaro | QUACH-VU: so start the process, stop it, then give me the output of free; and the output of ps; for that process. And *don't* paste to the channel this time. |
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| 09:08.32 | dondelelcaro | QUACH-VU: use #flood or the paster bot |
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| 09:08.53 | biosedit | who can help me ..... |
| 09:09.24 | Overand | heh |
| 09:09.24 | biosedit | simple.... |
| 09:09.30 | Overand | i misread that as 'biodiesel' |
| 09:10.12 | QUACH-VU | how i use paster bot? |
| 09:10.14 | biosedit | ...... |
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| 09:10.21 | tcsetattr | try #debian-zh ? |
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| 09:10.37 | Virtual | "/tmp/crontab.M3GDCB/crontab":1: bad minute |
| 09:10.37 | Virtual | errors in crontab file, can't install. |
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| 09:10.42 | Virtual | any idea why I get this? |
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| 09:10.51 | biosedit | overand |
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| 09:11.21 | saloxin | Virtual: you might have .. errors in your crontab file? |
| 09:11.23 | bomb | Virtual" look in /etc/crontab for anything unusual |
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| 09:11.27 | streuner | QUACH-VU: /join #debian.de |
| 09:11.31 | streuner | !de |
| 09:11.31 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 09:11.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell QUACH-VU -about paster |
| 09:11.52 | tcsetattr | streuner, his IP address is allocated to China... hence #debian-zh |
| 09:12.16 | streuner | tcsetattr: TLD .de |
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| 09:12.45 | tcsetattr | Host 237.224.76.218.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) inetnum: 218.75.128.0 - 218.77.127.255 netname: CHINANET-HN |
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| 09:12.59 | tcsetattr | I couldn't understand his question at all either way. |
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| 09:13.07 | streuner | tcsetattr: iam speaking of QUACH-VU |
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| 09:13.46 | tcsetattr | oh, him. They're both pretty unintelligible :) |
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| 09:14.05 | tcsetattr | I think QUACH just needs to meditate on the idea that free memory == wasted memory |
| 09:14.05 | faber2 | whats the simpliest webserver for files in debian? i would like to start the server like "mosttrivialwebserver /var/docroot 80" |
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| 09:14.35 | omry | I tried xhost +user and it think user is a hostname. how do I enable a specific local user to connect to the X server? (man xhost says xhost +user should work) |
| 09:14.35 | biosedit | 218. . . is from china |
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| 09:16.04 | QUACH-VU | tcsetattr> yes |
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| 09:17.04 | Guerin | faber2: probably thttpd |
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| 09:18.10 | cipo | still doesnt work :( |
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| 09:19.50 | Langly1 | Anyone have any idea why linux would freeze up apon the connection of a USB pen drive, within 2-3 min of connecting it, with two differnt drives on 3 differnt machines |
| 09:20.12 | Guerin | Langly1: is a usb pen drive usb-storage? |
| 09:20.29 | Langly1 | Yes, It showed as that I believe |
| 09:20.32 | Langly1 | dont have long to check |
| 09:20.33 | amphi | delian_: Guerin |
| 09:20.39 | faber2 | Guerin: thx, seems to work fine |
| 09:20.43 | amphi | Guerin: yes, in my experience |
| 09:20.56 | Langly1 | about the time it takes to initilize on windows is about the time before it freezes on linux |
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| 09:21.09 | Langly1 | whole system freeze |
| 09:21.12 | Langly1 | have to reboot |
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| 09:21.17 | Guerin | faber2: won't do much dynamic, but pretty good for serving static pages and files |
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| 09:21.35 | Guerin | Langly1: it takes 2-3 min to initialise on windows? |
| 09:21.38 | Langly1 | with differnt versions of linux, with boot cd's and hdd istalls |
| 09:21.52 | Guerin | Langly1: could you answer my question, do you think? |
| 09:21.52 | Langly1 | Well before it shows as a drive, 2-3 min is an exageration |
| 09:21.59 | Langly1 | perhaps 30-45 sec |
| 09:21.59 | vbhanu | i want to forward each post that comes on our news group to be fwded to a gmail account account. |
| 09:22.08 | QUACH-VU | dondelelcaro please see http://channels.debian.net/paste/684 |
| 09:22.12 | vbhanu | i am using thunderbird and pine as the clients |
| 09:22.17 | Langly1 | yeah it was usb-storage with lsmod or so |
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| 09:22.26 | Guerin | vbhanu: man procmmail |
| 09:22.26 | vbhanu | any way of dong it |
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| 09:22.30 | Guerin | s/mm/m |
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| 09:22.50 | eguzkia | f |
| 09:22.56 | Guerin | Langly1: no usb-storage device should do that. Try another, like a cf card or usb stick. |
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| 09:23.27 | Langly1 | I have, two pen drives, on 3 machines |
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| 09:23.30 | ircdevil | sup? |
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| 09:23.48 | jethro | is there an existing tool to filter out DSAs based on the software actually installed on a debian system? |
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| 09:23.59 | vbhanu | Guerin: there is not man page for procmail |
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| 09:24.20 | Langly1 | works just fine on windows though |
| 09:24.35 | md-afk | Hi all, i am getting some LoopBreak warning on e2fsprogs |
| 09:24.43 | md-afk | can someone help me with it |
| 09:24.50 | md-afk | i would like to upgrade my system |
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| 09:25.17 | Virtual | anyone can help me? I have installed and ran mrtg but I don`t know where it sets his graphs files |
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| 09:25.42 | jm_ | Virtual: wherever you tell it to |
| 09:25.44 | amphi | md-afk: you need to do what it says - read apt.conf(5) |
| 09:25.49 | oakley_ | Virtual: what's mrtg |
| 09:25.52 | md-afk | ok |
| 09:25.54 | md-afk | takes |
| 09:25.57 | md-afk | tanks |
| 09:26.00 | md-afk | thanks |
| 09:26.14 | Virtual | jm_: I have set in cfg WorkDir /home/httpd/mrtg but there it didn`t create anything when I ran it, how long until it does?>? |
| 09:26.16 | ircdevil | !assist md-afk |
| 09:26.44 | jm_ | Virtual: check your cron jobs, should be every 5 minutes |
| 09:26.45 | Guerin | vbhanu: there will be once you install it |
| 09:26.59 | md-afk | it says it is a grave bug |
| 09:27.02 | amphi | md-afk: just put APT\n{\n\tForce-LoopBreakage "true";\n} IIRC |
| 09:27.06 | Virtual | jm_: yes, did that |
| 09:27.12 | Guerin | jethro: I think 'grep' could do that |
| 09:27.17 | md-afk | ok |
| 09:27.26 | md-afk | will it kil my system? |
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| 09:27.29 | jm_ | Virtual: run it manually, see what it does |
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| 09:27.34 | amphi | md-afk: or whatever the LoopBreak thing is |
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| 09:27.42 | Virtual | jm_: does it have a debug option? |
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| 09:27.52 | amphi | md-afk: shouldn't do - sarge -> testing? |
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| 09:28.03 | jm_ | Virtual: isn't it a shell script? |
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| 09:28.10 | oakley_ | what's mrtg, anyone? |
| 09:28.21 | jm_ | oakley_: ever heard of google? |
| 09:28.22 | petemc | oakley_: apt-cache show, or google |
| 09:28.24 | vbhanu | Guerin: i have installed it |
| 09:28.30 | jethro | Guerin: you must be kidding me |
| 09:28.47 | vbhanu | Guerin: i will try it thanx for that it seems to be the one that i need |
| 09:29.01 | jethro | Guerin: I was thinking about a mua plugin, or procmail rules, so that it can be automated :p |
| 09:29.03 | oakley_ | if everything is just google, why have chat? |
| 09:29.04 | vbhanu | Guerin: in case i need more help i will get back thanx again |
| 09:29.06 | Guerin | jethro: very perceptive. |
| 09:29.19 | Guerin | oakley_: not everything is. |
| 09:29.28 | oakley_ | then what thing? |
| 09:29.34 | petemc | oakley_: for when you get stuck on a problem you have full researched |
| 09:29.39 | md-afk | hmm, let me see what i got |
| 09:29.40 | petemc | +y |
| 09:29.44 | oakley_ | who decides? |
| 09:30.04 | petemc | oakley_: the people doing the helping, i guess |
| 09:30.04 | Guerin | oakley_: some things are so somple the answer can ge gotten in fewer keystrokes from a search engine. Your question falls into that category. Go do it. |
| 09:30.22 | md-afk | it says unstable |
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| 09:30.48 | streuner | QUACH-VU: looks ok to me... |
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| 09:31.19 | Guerin | md-afk: you have three choices: do the upgrade later, when it's not broken; figure out how to fix it; reinstall testing. |
| 09:31.20 | oakley_ | Guerin, i can tell you if there is anything that cannot be solved with google, then it definitely cannot be solved here. |
| 09:31.29 | Guerin | oakley_: not true. |
| 09:31.30 | md-afk | reinstall testing |
| 09:31.31 | md-afk | ok |
| 09:31.39 | md-afk | so i change unstable to testing |
| 09:31.43 | oakley_ | Guerin, give me an example. |
| 09:32.05 | petemc | urgh |
| 09:32.07 | md-afk | so it is broken? |
| 09:32.12 | streuner | QUACH-VU: if you didn't run any big apps, how should Linux handle them in RAM? ;-) |
| 09:32.14 | Guerin | oakley_: a negative assertion cannot be proved. |
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| 09:32.31 | vbhanu | Guerin:does it work for newsgroup |
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| 09:32.40 | Guerin | oakley_:google for "invisible pink unicorn" if you don't believe me |
| 09:32.48 | Guerin | md-afk: currently. |
| 09:32.55 | vbhanu | Guerin;i mean that the posts that i am saying are not e-mails they come on a newgroup server which has only the smtp port open |
| 09:32.56 | md-afk | ok, |
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| 09:33.01 | oakley_ | Guerin, got you there. |
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| 09:33.03 | md-afk | so i did not do anything wrong |
| 09:33.06 | Guerin | md-afk: reinstall means "put an install cd in the drive and reboot" |
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| 09:33.15 | md-afk | oh |
| 09:33.20 | Guerin | vbhanu: so? |
| 09:33.31 | Guerin | oakley_: no, you didn't. |
| 09:33.43 | Langly1 | it freezes with other pendrives, only other thing ive got is a digital camera that works directly like a usb drive, ill try it |
| 09:33.44 | Guerin | oakley_: you're wrong, and stupid for trying to prosecute this argument. |
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| 09:34.19 | vbhanu | Guerin: so i cannot log on to that server and put or edit any file |
| 09:34.21 | oakley_ | It is a dumb thing to refer to people who comes in here to google. Might as well tell them to Guerin. |
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| 09:34.34 | Guerin | oakley_: no, it's not dumb. |
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| 09:34.36 | Guerin | !order |
| 09:34.36 | dpkg | hmm... order is if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 09:34.41 | Langly1 | UTFG |
| 09:34.46 | Langly1 | use the fucking google |
| 09:34.46 | Guerin | Note point #6 above |
| 09:34.50 | md-afk | what happens if i force apt to continue and it disables e2fstools? |
| 09:34.51 | Guerin | you twat |
| 09:34.55 | petemc | heh |
| 09:35.05 | Guerin | md-afk: you break shit and end up whining to us about it later |
| 09:35.12 | md-afk | no |
| 09:35.16 | Langly1 | your penis shinks to 3mm |
| 09:35.21 | md-afk | i listen to you |
| 09:35.37 | oakley_ | Langly1: fucking you would be better, no answer but definitely have thrill. |
| 09:36.02 | Guerin | vbhanu: huh? |
| 09:36.23 | Guerin | vbhanu: ohh. Ok, I get you. nntp, not smtp? |
| 09:36.52 | vbhanu | Guerin: i am soooo sorry yes nntp |
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| 09:37.49 | Guerin | vbhanu: i should have figured. No idea, sorry; unless you pipe them to another email address, which forwards them via smtp to your real address, which is then filtered by procmail. But that sounds like Too Much Work. |
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| 09:39.11 | vbhanu | Guerin: is it possible to write a script for this? coz i desperately want to do it |
| 09:39.13 | oakley_ | Guerin a Bulgueriam? |
| 09:39.27 | Guerin | vbhanu: it's possible to write a script for ANYTHING :) |
| 09:39.32 | vbhanu | Guerin: the posts are sthing that i will cherish after leaving the campus |
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| 09:39.59 | Guerin | oakley_: of all the people who've tried vainly to guess my nationality, yours might well be the wrongest. |
| 09:40.06 | vbhanu | Guerin: I rephrase it is it "mortally" possible to write a script for this? coz i desperately want to do it |
| 09:40.08 | Guerin | s/yours/you/ |
| 09:40.29 | Langly1 | its not seeing my camera, Ill have to tweak with my pure debian system in the garage later when I can get someone to bring it in here and hook it up for me |
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| 09:40.41 | Guerin | vbhanu: yeah, but if you have to ask, it's probably easier to do what I said with the extra email account. |
| 09:40.43 | Langly1 | I cannot do so myself because I recently had spinal surgury |
| 09:40.51 | Langly1 | cant lift more than 5 pounds, bend, or twist |
| 09:41.25 | Guerin | Langly1: have to just lie there and have people brijng you delicacies ... it's a tough life. |
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| 09:41.40 | liable | another e2fstools problem eh. |
| 09:41.44 | oakley_ | Guerin: while, i got it from the list of chatters. why would people want to guess your nationality, anyway? |
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| 09:41.51 | Langly1 | No one is home during the day, and everyone is asleep now |
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| 09:42.00 | vbhanu | Guerin: how do i pipe them to another e-mail address? |
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| 09:42.08 | Guerin | oakley_: you got BULGARIAN from anything to do with me? Amazing! |
| 09:42.18 | Guerin | vbhanu: trivial using procmail. |
| 09:42.33 | jm_ | vbah;man procmailex |
| 09:42.36 | oakley_ | Guerin, you know what were those Poles doing in Russia during the Soviet Union days? |
| 09:42.37 | vbhanu | Guerin: and why can't that be the address to which i want the post to be sent |
| 09:42.42 | jm_ | vbhanu: also look in procmail-lib |
| 09:42.43 | Guerin | oakley_: i dunno, but people do. |
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| 09:43.15 | oakley_ | Guerin: propping up the telephone lines! LOL. |
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| 09:43.18 | Guerin | oakley_: i know that the border between russia and poland has been porous for at least 600 years, so it's arguable who was where... |
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| 09:43.26 | Guerin | ok, i fell for that one |
| 09:43.27 | vbhanu | Guerin & jim: i will try and get back thanx for your help till now |
| 09:43.40 | jm_ | again jim gets all the credits |
| 09:43.46 | Guerin | jm_: haha |
| 09:43.55 | streuner | hehe |
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| 09:44.06 | Guerin | jm_: it's a conspiracy against the serbians! |
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| 09:44.11 | Guerin | [sic] |
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| 09:44.43 | jm_ | Guerin: that shouldn't affect me |
| 09:44.45 | vorlon | you mean we shouldn't just guess that you're Korean? |
| 09:45.10 | jm_ | let's see how long it takes to bzip 1.5G tar with mails |
| 09:45.18 | Guerin | jm_: hence [sic] |
| 09:45.24 | Guerin | vorlon: amazingly, few people do |
| 09:45.36 | Guerin | vorlon: though I do get 'French' pretty regularly |
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| 09:45.53 | leenders_ | apt tell rtfm about sex |
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| 09:46.13 | streuner | leenders_: /msg dpkg help |
| 09:46.22 | vorlon | leenders_: stop abusing the bot, please. |
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| 09:46.47 | leenders_ | vorlon: sorry man |
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| 09:46.55 | leenders_ | vorlon: just joking arround man |
| 09:46.58 | leenders_ | ;) |
| 09:47.28 | vorlon | leenders_: as I said earlier, you should use /msg for that kind of thing |
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| 09:47.48 | oakley_ | heard of this one about a Korean and a hotdog? |
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| 09:47.59 | Guerin | oakley_: itym hatdag |
| 09:48.10 | Guerin | you can blame the americans for that |
| 09:48.30 | oakley_ | Guerin: what's itym? |
| 09:48.36 | Guerin | !itym |
| 09:48.36 | dpkg | from memory, itym is I Think You Mean |
| 09:48.39 | Gog | you can blame them for most things |
| 09:49.00 | Rev0_ | does anybody have experience of setting up touchscreens here? |
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| 09:49.18 | Guerin | Rev0_: better to just ask your specific question |
| 09:49.39 | oakley_ | touchscreens make me sit up. i want to know about it too. |
| 09:49.39 | rtfm | I have some experience with that.. |
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| 09:49.51 | Rev0_ | haven't played around with it myself, but i just bought myself a panasonic toughbook cf28 which has a touch screen |
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| 09:49.59 | Guerin | oooo, toughbook |
| 09:50.05 | Guerin | it it tough? |
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| 09:50.16 | oakley_ | is that a tablet PC? |
| 09:50.18 | Rev0_ | will get it in the evening, really looking forward to it |
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| 09:50.42 | Rev0_ | tougbook is a ruggedized laptop |
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| 09:50.55 | Guerin | i covet those things; i'm about to go on a 15,000km road trip through several of the most crazy places in the world, i almost bought one for the trip |
| 09:51.17 | Rev0_ | what kinda car you going with, offroad? |
| 09:51.19 | oakley_ | Rev0_: so it has a hw keyboard, then why the touchscreen? |
| 09:51.22 | Guerin | bullet, water, dust, shock, oil, fire proof |
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| 09:51.39 | Guerin | Rev0_: public transport |
| 09:51.39 | liable | anthrax? |
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| 09:51.57 | Rev0_ | it has both a hw keyboard and a touchpad, and then the touch screen |
| 09:51.59 | Guerin | carnets are too much hassle, and I'm not a good enough mechanic to drive |
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| 09:52.41 | Guerin | Rev0_: what'd it cost you, out of interest? |
| 09:53.10 | Rev0_ | Guerin 460 euros, it's used of course |
| 09:53.20 | oakley_ | Rev0_: something very new, what advantage do you see it has over a normal laptop? |
| 09:53.21 | Guerin | Rev0_: wow. What sort of spec? |
| 09:53.33 | Guerin | oakley_: it's practically indestructible? |
| 09:53.57 | Rev0_ | Guerin, only a 600mhz P3, with 128mb memory, 20gb HD, but i'm going to upgrade the memory |
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| 09:54.06 | Guerin | Rev0_: sweet deal |
| 09:54.07 | oakley_ | Guerin, how can anything with a screen be indestructible? |
| 09:54.08 | Rev0_ | oakley_, well it can take a hell of a beating :D |
| 09:54.18 | Rev0_ | magnesium alloy casing |
| 09:54.30 | oakley_ | Rev0_: Mil spec stuff. |
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| 09:54.43 | Guerin | oakley_: if you can drive a Humvee over it, ti qualifies as 'practically indestructible' in my books. |
| 09:54.46 | Rev0_ | it's not indestructible, but it can withstand alot of bashing |
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| 09:55.04 | rtfm | just like ya mama bitch. |
| 09:55.17 | Guerin | i talked to a guy from US army intel in hawaii who had one o' these |
| 09:55.24 | rtfm | just like ya mama bitch. |
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| 09:55.27 | oakley_ | Rev0_: is the screen rotatable? |
| 09:55.28 | Rev0_ | oakley_, i will use it mostly when i'm offroadin, hook up my gps to it and just have fun |
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| 09:55.36 | Rev0_ | this model is not rotatable |
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| 09:55.59 | dondelelcaro | rtfm: let me know if you plan on actually contributing anything useful to the channel |
| 09:56.03 | oakley_ | Rev0_: it runs Linux? |
| 09:56.04 | streuner | lenders and rtfm have the same IP |
| 09:56.11 | Guerin | he crashed his car off a bridge or something, into a body of water ... they fished the whole shop out 3 days later, and once dried out, the laptop worked perfectly. |
| 09:56.18 | Rev0_ | well i'm going to make it run debian :D |
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| 09:56.29 | Guerin | they |
| 09:56.35 | dondelelcaro | streuner: not really my problem... |
| 09:56.40 | Guerin | 're mostly stock commodity parts, so it should work |
| 09:56.49 | Rev0_ | yeah |
| 09:57.00 | oakley_ | Rev0_: great, good advertisement for Debian. |
| 09:57.16 | Rev0_ | and one good thing, it has a dvd drive, so i can watch movies out in the rain |
| 09:57.28 | Rev0_ | altough a 600 mhz cpu may be a bit slow for dvd |
| 09:57.40 | Guerin | naw, mpeg-2 plays fine on that |
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| 09:57.41 | oakley_ | Rev0_: how heavy is it? |
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| 09:57.59 | Guerin | x264 will choke, but even most mpeg-4 codecs will be fine |
| 09:58.07 | Rev0_ | 3,40kg |
| 09:58.27 | Rev0_ | from what i read somewhere |
| 09:58.34 | anibal | dondelelcaro, what does %*!*@... mean? isn't enough *@...? |
| 09:58.36 | oakley_ | Rev0_: that's helluva weight to carry around. |
| 09:58.44 | Rev0_ | http://www.clubic.com/photo/00028441.jpg |
| 09:58.49 | Rev0_ | quite small pic, but still |
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| 09:59.18 | Rev0_ | oakley_, yeah it's kinda heavy, but it will be mostly in car use, and i'm a strong dude :P |
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| 10:00.22 | Rev0_ | i found a couple pics more, if you wanna see |
| 10:00.40 | oakley_ | Rev0_: there is hw keyboard, there is touchpad, when would you need to touch the screen? |
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| 10:00.44 | Guerin | they're really nice chunky-looking items |
| 10:00.49 | streuner | anibal: % in front means, +q'ed, he cannot speak in channel |
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| 10:00.51 | Guerin | none of this apple schmaltz |
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| 10:01.08 | zimnyx | why can it be that cp -u asks me if i want to overwrite file? |
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| 10:01.22 | streuner | anibal: ! in front means, +b'ed, he isn't able to join the channel at all |
| 10:01.28 | Guerin | zimnyx: does -i take precedence? |
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| 10:01.45 | Rev0_ | oakley_, easer to point-and-click with a touch screen in a bouncing car than with a touchpad |
| 10:02.10 | anibal | streuner, thanks |
| 10:02.15 | zimnyx | Guerin: no, olny "cp -u" |
| 10:02.33 | Guerin | zimnyx: -i is not aliased in profile or such? |
| 10:02.41 | zimnyx | no |
| 10:02.50 | zimnyx | let me check it asgain |
| 10:02.52 | zimnyx | again |
| 10:03.08 | Guerin | zimnyx: perhaps it's just a security check to make sure you're serious - -f should override it |
| 10:03.17 | Guerin | zimnyx: actually, that makes sense |
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| 10:03.28 | Guerin | cp always asks when overwriting unless -f is specified |
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| 10:03.34 | oakley_ | Rev0_: interesting, have fun. |
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| 10:04.50 | zimnyx | Guerin: cp -uf still ask for confirmation |
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| 10:05.08 | ma3x | hi |
| 10:05.15 | Guerin | zimnyx: badness |
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| 10:05.32 | ma3x | i have this module : acx_pci loading on boot. i want to disable it, but it's not in the /etc/modules. how do i find it? |
| 10:05.39 | Rev0_ | oakley_, thx |
| 10:05.40 | Guerin | !blacklist |
| 10:05.40 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 10:05.41 | eguzkia | hello |
| 10:05.53 | ma3x | i have in /etc/modules.conf line like this |
| 10:05.56 | ma3x | alias wlan0 acx_pci |
| 10:05.59 | ma3x | could that be loading it? |
| 10:06.04 | zimnyx | Guerin: sorry, root ahs alias 'cp = cp -i' |
| 10:06.08 | Guerin | ma3x: yeah |
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| 10:06.15 | Guerin | zimnyx: as i though. |
| 10:06.16 | Guerin | t |
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| 10:06.37 | ma3x | Guerin, i have also two modules installed, should i just rm them, or is there a proper way to uninstall them? |
| 10:06.46 | ma3x | Guerin, these two: acx_pci.ko acx_usb.ko |
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| 10:06.56 | Guerin | ma3x: don't do either. |
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| 10:07.05 | liable | ma3x: um, arent they needed? |
| 10:07.07 | ma3x | Guerin, why not? i dont use them. |
| 10:07.09 | eguzkia | someone use ADSL with setellite? |
| 10:07.11 | ma3x | liable, no, not needed |
| 10:07.18 | yage | Is it possible to route a specific tcp connection through a different device than the default one? |
| 10:07.29 | eguzkia | i can't find ADSL via satellite for linux! |
| 10:07.33 | Guerin | ma3x: if blacklist doesn't stop them from loading, comment out the modules.conf lines |
| 10:07.36 | eguzkia | someone knows? |
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| 10:07.40 | Guerin | ma3x: and rerun update-modules |
| 10:07.56 | ma3x | Guerin, thanks |
| 10:07.59 | jethro | yage: yes |
| 10:08.05 | Guerin | eguzkia: how the data gets to your locale is irrelevant - it's the connection mechanism which is importnat |
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| 10:08.15 | Guerin | eguzkia: is it pppoe, dhcp, or what? |
| 10:08.17 | yage | jethro, how? |
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| 10:08.28 | Guerin | yage: #iptables |
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| 10:08.42 | liable | eguzkia: you have a modem for it, then just connect with your ethernet? |
| 10:08.42 | eguzkia | Guerin: i hear about connectio with satellite |
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| 10:08.54 | jethro | Guerin: I'd visit www.lartc.org for that rather than iptables. |
| 10:09.00 | Guerin | jethro: good call. |
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| 10:09.05 | eguzkia | my city haven't ADSL covered |
| 10:09.16 | Guerin | eguzkia: none of this means anything to me. |
| 10:09.19 | eguzkia | so i need ADSL from SKY with satellite |
| 10:09.27 | yage | Guerin, so, for example, i can tell iptables to route any connection to a port b via device X? Iptables has no knowledge of routing tables. Should i mark the packet and then use iptools? |
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| 10:09.53 | jethro | yage: iproute2 and tagging the frames would do it |
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| 10:10.13 | yage | jethro, ok, understood, thanks |
| 10:10.18 | jethro | yage: you're welcome |
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| 10:10.41 | eguzkia | liable: i want to know if someone of you use an ADSL connectio with satellite |
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| 10:10.53 | eguzkia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.12 | eguzkia | my city is not covered by normal ADSL |
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| 10:12.35 | oakley_ | eguzkia: using ADSL with satellite, high tech, and must be high cost too. |
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| 10:13.23 | eguzkia | oakley__:6.90? month |
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| 10:13.44 | oakley_ | eguzkia: not many people in the world do that, i think. i use ADSL but connected to the public network. |
| 10:14.30 | oakley_ | eguzkia: 6.90 US per month? for a satellite-based service? where do you live? |
| 10:14.56 | eguzkia | oakley__:www.teles-skydsl.com |
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| 10:16.04 | Langly1 | hmm FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition begins after end-of-disk - Press and key to exit cfdisk |
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| 10:16.16 | Langly1 | would that be ehough to freeze linux up |
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| 10:16.40 | Maulkin | Langly1: yes |
| 10:16.44 | seeeS | is it a new disk? |
| 10:16.45 | mooded | hey all.. anybody knows how i can read a file's contents into a bash-array ? line by line, including empty lines in the file |
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| 10:17.04 | Langly1 | how can I prevent it from freezing long enough to fix the partition |
| 10:17.06 | Guerin | Langly1: shouldn't |
| 10:17.17 | Guerin | Langly1: run fdisk from the command line |
| 10:17.18 | Langly1 | or remake the partition |
| 10:17.32 | seeeS | mood, what are you going to do with it? |
| 10:17.36 | oakley_ | eguzkia: visited the site. so this is Euro-stuff. |
| 10:17.38 | Guerin | Langly1: or just use dd to nuke the whole thing |
| 10:17.46 | Gokee2 | Hey all anyone know of a good way to chop a few secounds off a video? |
| 10:17.50 | mooded | seeeS: i try to read the replies of a dialog --form dialog.... |
| 10:17.53 | resiak | mooded: Why not ask #sh or man bash ? |
| 10:17.54 | seeeS | there is a nuke all flag for cfdisk |
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| 10:18.13 | eguzkia | oakley_:the problem is "only for windows"! |
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| 10:18.22 | mooded | resiak: i do.. but since debian-users are so competent and the channel is crowded, i thought i might get a quicker reply in here ;p |
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| 10:18.51 | oakley_ | eguzkia: so you are trying to make it work for Debian? |
| 10:19.08 | Langly1 | wow it had 4 partitions, and other non-linux differnt logical physical starts and begignings no wonder it was messed up |
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| 10:19.54 | seeeS | lang, if this is an old disk and it started doing it you might fnid it keeps borking |
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| 10:21.25 | eguzkia | oakley_:i found one ! |
| 10:21.36 | Langly1 | and its no longer freezing with the pendisk in |
| 10:21.43 | oakley_ | eguzkia: where" what? |
| 10:21.57 | eguzkia | oakley_:urra but the cost is too high 99? |
| 10:22.00 | Langly1 | Must have had old partition tables left behind from reformats or something |
| 10:22.02 | yang | In my sources.list i have stable links, does that mean woody now gets sarge packages automatically? |
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| 10:22.21 | seeeS | yang: yes |
| 10:22.32 | seeeS | it is a symlink on the ftp server |
| 10:22.46 | yang | ok |
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| 10:22.57 | oakley_ | eguzkia: so you were only looking for a service provider, not technical assistance. |
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| 10:24.06 | eguzkia | oakley_:i need all |
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| 10:24.37 | Guerin | eguzkia: i'm going to quote from the recipe for Alligator Gumbo, here: |
| 10:25.16 | Guerin | eguzkia: "First catch your alligator..." |
| 10:25.16 | oakley_ | eguzkia: surely the SP is not leaving you alone to fix up the thing? |
| 10:25.29 | seeeS | depends on what S they are P'ing |
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| 10:26.20 | oakley_ | Guerin, you are being cryptic. What has an alligator got to do with this? |
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| 10:26.45 | Langly1 | yeah both pendrives had 4 primary partitions that were messed up |
| 10:26.54 | Langly1 | that explains the freezing up |
| 10:26.56 | petemc | oakley_: its not easy to catch an alligator |
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| 10:27.03 | seeeS | most/some pendrives have that |
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| 10:27.14 | seeeS | mine had one, but it was the 4th partition |
| 10:27.16 | Guerin | oakley_: he needs to get a service provider in line before he needs our help |
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| 10:28.10 | seeeS | it means the first step is so important and difficult it is not worth worrying about subsequent ones until you got it done |
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| 10:28.19 | Guerin | seeeS: precisely |
| 10:28.38 | oakley_ | Guerin, you are not thinking about the James Bond movie "You Only Live Twice" where a spacecraft can open up like the mouth of an alligator to bite its enemy's satellite? LOL. |
| 10:29.02 | Langly1 | finaly i fix the problem thats been plauging me for a month |
| 10:29.04 | Guerin | oakley_: not the stupidest bondism ever, but fairly close. |
| 10:29.06 | Langly1 | damn pendrives |
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| 10:30.03 | deepaz | how do i send a sigusr1 signal to application |
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| 10:30.11 | jm_ | deepaz: man kill |
| 10:30.12 | Langly1 | thats why it locked up on scanning hard drive partitions and creating fstab |
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| 10:30.19 | Langly1 | the drives gave it corrupt info |
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| 10:30.27 | oakley_ | you guys have fun, i got to go. byeeee... |
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| 10:31.06 | marts | kill -SIGUSER1 <processId> |
| 10:31.08 | Langly1 | YAY |
| 10:31.15 | Langly1 | it past creating fstab |
| 10:31.15 | deepaz | thks dude |
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| 10:31.17 | Langly1 | ITS FIXED |
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| 10:31.25 | Langly1 | yay |
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| 10:31.42 | marts | make that kill -SIGUSR1 |
| 10:31.51 | marts | kill -l will give you the list of signals. |
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| 10:32.12 | Langly1 | why the frell didnt anyone suggest i check the drives partition table over the months ive asked about this issue heh |
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| 10:33.38 | Virtual | I need to forward a port from the server to a local ip from the network, I believe it is called DMZ pinhole, can anybody help me? |
| 10:34.10 | marts | I have installed a kernel image 2.6.8-2-k7. And i'm now trying to install the nvidia module. I complile the module but modprobe complains about version magic not being right. The whenever I do a modprobe --force it turns out that there are undefined symbols in the module. I'm using nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz as the driver source obtained from apt-get. Could someone give me advice |
| 10:34.23 | jm_ | Virtual: read iptables tutorial |
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| 10:35.15 | marts | ps I first did an apt-get install while on a 2.4 kernel to get nvidia working |
| 10:35.18 | jm_ | you can also use generic TCP/IP based forwarders, such as rinetd, xinetd, ... |
| 10:35.43 | streuner | marts: did you use /msg dpkg nvidia one liner ? |
| 10:36.03 | petemc | Virtual: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p [tcp/udp] --dport [number] -j DNAT --to [internalipaddr] |
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| 10:36.19 | Virtual | petemc: thank you |
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| 10:37.13 | marts | streuner: I'm not sure what you mean will I use that command in irc. I'm a bit of an irc newbie. I'll try it . |
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| 10:38.11 | marts | i have installed the module using dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-_1.0.7174-3_i386.deb |
| 10:38.12 | antgel | weird things going on. i get into the office, and the 400GB raid-5 on our server is full. never been even 20% full before. according to du, /mnt/backup is taking up all the space. weird thing is that /mnt/backup is an external usb device, not plugged in, and not even listed in mtab. wtf could be going on? |
| 10:39.54 | streuner | dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 10:39.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 10:41.48 | marts | strenuner: sorry for appearing to be really thick. I don't know what you mean by 'dpkg nvidia one liner' |
| 10:42.01 | streuner | scroll up |
| 10:42.09 | streuner | marts: dpkg just told you |
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| 10:43.02 | Virtual | I have installed mrtg and successfully started it but it does not create a html file |
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| 10:44.09 | antgel | hmm. rm -rf /mnt/backup appears to free up the space. i wonder if we unplugged the disk without unmounting it. doesn't explain why it's not in mtab, though |
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| 10:44.47 | marts | streuner: thanks go it finally. I'm very slow on the take off |
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| 10:46.09 | marts | I can't make use of that because I don't have network access in 2.6 yet. I'd like to get nvidia working and then suffer getting my wireless working from the comfort of Gnome or KDE |
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| 10:47.08 | jm_ | you're connect now, dhownload required packages |
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| 10:47.16 | jm_ | connected* |
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| 10:47.37 | streuner | marts: use packages.debian.org to download them |
| 10:47.44 | seeeS | virtual: mrtg doesnt create the html file |
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| 10:48.18 | comex | How can I (with dpkg, not apt-*, if possible) reinstall the symlinks in /etc/rcwhatever.d? |
| 10:48.20 | Virtual | seeeS: oh? I was aware it does, then how it displays its graphs ? |
| 10:48.42 | Langly1 | well the pendrive fully boots now |
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| 10:49.01 | streuner | marts: is this box a laptop? |
| 10:49.02 | Langly1 | stupid 4 corrupt primary partitions on each drive |
| 10:49.14 | seeeS | mrtg: there is a cgi that does that, the html is done by a command; something like make index |
| 10:49.21 | flowtron | comex : "$ln -s /etc/init.d/whatever /etc/rcwhatever.d/Sxy_whatever" |
| 10:49.35 | marts | nope. its a desktop upstairs in my house. I don't have cables to get me ethernet to downstairs. |
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| 10:49.41 | petemc | comex: update-rc.d add package defaults |
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| 10:49.51 | petemc | comex: just double check the syntax of that |
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| 10:49.54 | deepan | i want to install vnc in windows comp to view my linux box.. can some one tell me which vncviewer is should download? |
| 10:49.58 | marts | I appologise for missing the message from dpkg. |
| 10:50.00 | flowtron | marts : maybe move closer to the box and then connect a cable? |
| 10:50.04 | petemc | deepan: any |
| 10:50.23 | streuner | marts: is this box a laptop? |
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| 10:50.43 | marts | No box is a tower PC not a laptop. Honestly too much hassel for me. I should not need network access to upgrade I hope. |
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| 10:50.57 | deepan | petemc: i find many vnc's ... real vnc,tight vnc .. . any of them will work ? |
| 10:51.07 | petemc | deepan: pretty much, yeah |
| 10:51.17 | streuner | marts: without i-net access debian is a pain to install |
| 10:51.35 | Assid | true |
| 10:51.40 | flowtron | marts : especially nvidia stuff :) |
| 10:51.44 | Assid | hehe |
| 10:51.47 | comex | thank you, I'll try that... also, programs like su and login don't seem to work, and when I'm actually booting the system and not using chroot, CTRL-C doesn't work. However, nano does work. |
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| 10:51.50 | streuner | marts: can you use a 'normal' NIC? |
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| 10:52.11 | Assid | okay i gotta figure out why my X refuses to work for me |
| 10:52.22 | marts | ok. I'll reverse my order of getting things going. I'll get the 2.6 networking working first. |
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| 10:52.49 | antgel | marts: can you not just use the nv driver? |
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| 10:53.24 | marts | Good idea. antgel. Do I just need to change the xorg.conf driver to nv for a while for this? |
| 10:53.28 | comex | is there some console data that got lost? |
| 10:53.48 | antgel | !tell marts about drxx |
| 10:54.54 | seeeS | xvncviewer on the box "here", vncserver for "there" |
| 10:55.18 | marts | I'd rather change the xorg file by hand. |
| 10:55.51 | marts | I have got to go on. Thanks very much for helping me.# |
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| 10:58.04 | |krusty| | I'm using sarge on a 512MB flash system... 256MB is for the home partition. I want to remove all unecessary tools.. like man pages.. etc. Anyone knows how to track down "big" packages?.. does debian have a tool to resize a partition? |
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| 10:59.15 | petemc | |krusty|: people have already done the legwork for with the likes of peanut/pebble linux |
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| 10:59.33 | antgel | !tell |krusty| about parted |
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| 11:01.30 | asmodaiii | hi all |
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| 11:04.35 | |krusty| | antgel: thanks! |
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| 11:06.01 | antgel | ok. if i have, say 100 machines under my control, and i want to aptitude update && aptitude upgrade them with a quick command, is there anything to help me? i know about cron-apt, but i don't want upgrades to be automatic. |
| 11:06.53 | jm_ | there are ssh front-ends that run the same command on several machines at once |
| 11:06.58 | petemc | clusterssh |
| 11:07.08 | petemc | is one.. |
| 11:07.11 | jm_ | that + some kind of proxy will be fine |
| 11:07.39 | psnl | antgel: cron-apt doesn't automaticty upgrade boxes, it just does the downloading needed |
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| 11:08.44 | antgel | jm_: they aren't all on this site, so a proxy is of limited use. thanks for the clusterssh suggestion, though |
| 11:08.57 | hyardley | what is the best usb wireless nic to use in Debian? and what's a good doc? |
| 11:09.04 | antgel | psnl: cron-apt can be configured to upgrade afaik, but it's not recommended |
| 11:09.20 | cheal | hyardley: a ralink a realtek one, I guess |
| 11:09.26 | CaT[tm] | hyan: dr mccoy is meant to be a good doc. |
| 11:09.51 | hyardley | realtek working? this prism 3 is a mess |
| 11:10.10 | cheal | hyardley: good doc on wireless? tough question... |
| 11:10.18 | liable | |krusty|: what you want this system for? rescue? |
| 11:10.18 | hyardley | yeah, i know |
| 11:10.26 | Guerin | antgel: i've discussed this with a few people, and we decided the best way was to run a 'tester' box. Have a cronjob on all the boxen which checks for the presence or contents of a certain file, and if so, upgrades. Upgrade the tester boxes manually, and if all is well after testing, script the creation fo the file on the other boxen. |
| 11:10.47 | Guerin | antgel: if you're running stable, chances are minimal that something bad will happen. |
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| 11:11.23 | Guerin | hyardley: i've been able to get realtek 8150-based chipsets working |
| 11:11.30 | Guerin | i think it's 8150 |
| 11:11.39 | antgel | Guerin: very good point |
| 11:11.55 | ma3x | Guerin |
| 11:12.01 | Guerin | ma3x |
| 11:12.02 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it may also be better to just have a local Debian mirror, and only roll package ugprades to that machine when you've tested them on the tester box |
| 11:12.06 | ma3x | you still in korea? |
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| 11:12.19 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, that's sane, |
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| 11:12.33 | hyardley | Guerin: i am ready to throw this prism 3 out the window |
| 11:12.34 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: of course, how reasonable that is depends on the size of your installation... once you get over about 20 machines it starts becoming quite useful |
| 11:12.38 | antgel | don't have the resources for all that testing malarkey. that's why we give'em debian stable :) |
| 11:12.40 | Guerin | ma3x: aptitude install geoip-bin |
| 11:12.48 | ma3x | hehe :) |
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| 11:12.55 | ma3x | Guerin, i don't remember exactly what country had open 24 hours, korea maybe? |
| 11:12.59 | hyardley | Guerin: will try the Realtek 8150 based chipsets. |
| 11:13.13 | antgel | does cron-apt send mail to root after it runs, with a log of what happened? |
| 11:13.23 | Guerin | hyardley: i have some which are pretty funny ... usb 1.1 compliant, 10/100 ethernet! |
| 11:13.27 | Guerin | like magic! |
| 11:13.44 | Virtual | is there any application that can log and maybe make graphs in html of the server and the ips of lan it servers, 192.168.0.9 .5 .2 etc |
| 11:13.47 | Guerin | ma3x: lots of things in korea are open 24x7 |
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| 11:13.55 | Guerin | Virtual: mrtg? |
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| 11:14.08 | ma3x | Guerin, the shops mainly, yes? |
| 11:14.13 | petemc | Virtual: ntop |
| 11:14.27 | Virtual | Guerin: that was I was thinking, actually I already installed it and all but I don`t know what to do from here? can you help me? |
| 11:14.31 | sebastian | hello evrbdy |
| 11:14.36 | Guerin | ma3x: restaurants, bars, whorehouses, singing rooms and convenience stores, mostly |
| 11:14.41 | Guerin | ma3x: as per usual |
| 11:14.42 | ma3x | Guerin, can i use geoiplookup in xchat somehow? |
| 11:14.45 | sebastian | is there room for another question/newb? |
| 11:14.48 | hyardley | Guerin: did you use wlan-ng, hostap, or what? |
| 11:14.52 | antgel | sebastian: ask |
| 11:14.53 | Guerin | Virtual: nope, because I've never used mrtg |
| 11:14.55 | Ronin | sebastian: just ask your question |
| 11:15.09 | ma3x | hey Guerin, have you been ever to the karaoke? |
| 11:15.20 | Guerin | hyardley: oh, wireless. Sorry, i thought you just meant ethernet. |
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| 11:15.27 | sebastian | i'm having trouble installing alsa on 2.6.8 |
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| 11:15.33 | Guerin | ma3x: it's unavoidable if you live in east asia for more than a few weeks. |
| 11:15.37 | sebastian | it comes with oss |
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| 11:15.48 | Guerin | sebastian: no, alsa is in 2.6.8 |
| 11:15.51 | sebastian | the kernel that is |
| 11:16.02 | Guerin | sebastian: you only need to install some userspace apps |
| 11:16.09 | ma3x | Guerin, you like singing? |
| 11:16.32 | sebastian | how can i recompile my kernel with alsa and same conf |
| 11:16.32 | sebastian | really? |
| 11:16.33 | sebastian | like? |
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| 11:16.54 | sebastian | Guerin, please tell me what? |
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| 11:16.57 | Guerin | ma3x: no, i hate singing, and i'm an appalling singer, but there are times when I decide that i'd rather sing GOOD songs, badly, than listen to my mates sing BAD songs badly. |
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| 11:17.11 | Guerin | sebastian: you don't need to. Alsa is default in all 2.6 kernels. |
| 11:17.11 | ma3x | haha |
| 11:17.25 | ma3x | Guerin, what do you sing usually? |
| 11:17.35 | sebastian | Guerin, so what do i have to do? |
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| 11:17.38 | Guerin | ma3x: led zeppelin and elvis presley |
| 11:17.54 | liable | sebastian: if you havent got it, install alsa-base. |
| 11:17.55 | sebastian | Guerin, user apt? |
| 11:17.57 | Guerin | sebastian: blacklist your OSS modules - /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 11:18.04 | ma3x | lol, that's a nice color combination |
| 11:18.07 | Guerin | sebastian: and install alsa-utils |
| 11:18.13 | sebastian | Guerin, i didi install alasa-base! |
| 11:18.28 | Guerin | sebastian: that's userspace. First you must resolve the module issues. |
| 11:18.53 | ma3x | Guerin, the geoip thing - if you want to update it, you must purchase a key :( |
| 11:18.54 | sebastian | Guerin, i think i know how to black list |
| 11:19.01 | Guerin | ma3x: wtf |
| 11:19.05 | Guerin | ma3x: really? |
| 11:19.12 | Guerin | !info geoip-bin |
| 11:19.14 | ma3x | Guerin, /etc/GeoIP.conf.default |
| 11:19.14 | dpkg | geoip-bin: (IP lookup command line tools that use the GeoIP library), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 11:19.18 | sebastian | Guerin, so is alsa a modules or built into the k |
| 11:19.40 | Guerin | ma3x: that sounds like a 3rd-party service addon. The software is free. |
| 11:19.42 | sebastian | modules ritght? |
| 11:19.50 | Guerin | sebastian: it's modules. |
| 11:19.58 | ma3x | Guerin, It uses a file based database that is accurate as of March 2002. |
| 11:20.00 | sebastian | this way i can update it |
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| 11:20.15 | liable | sebastian: yes, modules, modprobe -r the oss ones and modprobe the alsa ones. |
| 11:20.17 | Guerin | ma3x: worksforme |
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| 11:20.32 | ma3x | Guerin, it does for me too. Just wondered what that update is for |
| 11:20.48 | sebastian | so all i have to do is blacklist oss modules and modprobe alsa modules? |
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| 11:21.17 | ma3x | Guerin, The library comes with a free country database which does not contain all the information that can be accessible via the GeoIP API. To find other database editions, please visit http://www.maxmind.com/ (all of them except for the one included in the package require you to purchase a license from MaxMind) |
| 11:21.21 | sebastian | liable, modprobe -r removes? |
| 11:21.25 | Guerin | sebastian: easiest way is to blacklist all sound mosules which don't start with snd-, make sure there'es nothing in /etc/modules; and reboot |
| 11:21.28 | ma3x | sebastian, yes |
| 11:21.37 | Guerin | ma3x: oh well. |
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| 11:22.14 | sebastian | Guerin, ok and after reboot, modprobe alsa-??? |
| 11:22.26 | Guerin | sebastian: should happen automatically |
| 11:22.33 | sebastian | what? |
| 11:22.36 | liable | dunno what it is, but alsa-base/utils/conf blacklists my oss modules for me.. |
| 11:22.38 | seeeS | doesnt hotplug or whatever find them anyway |
| 11:22.46 | ma3x | Guerin, is there some site in english in korea for prices about hardware ... ? |
| 11:22.51 | Guerin | liable: that's a newism |
| 11:22.51 | sebastian | liable, i think it does |
| 11:22.59 | Guerin | ma3x: nope. |
| 11:23.06 | sebastian | liable, i think i say that somewhere, maybe the code |
| 11:23.07 | liable | Guerin: excuse me. |
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| 11:23.20 | Guerin | ma3x: or if there is, I haven't found it. The answer is: not that cheap |
| 11:23.28 | Guerin | liable: you're excused. |
| 11:23.48 | Guerin | hrm, i smell perfume |
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| 11:23.51 | ma3x | Guerin, I guess that would be Japan - cheap |
| 11:23.53 | sebastian | Guerin, ok and after reboot, modprobe alsa-??? what do i do after? |
| 11:23.54 | Guerin | i think we might be going out soon |
| 11:23.59 | liable | sebastian: what is your card? |
| 11:24.04 | sebastian | intel |
| 11:24.07 | sebastian | alc850 |
| 11:24.12 | Guerin | sebastian: it should work automatically after reboot, without you doing anything |
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| 11:24.17 | liable | modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 11:24.20 | Guerin | get back to us if it doesn't |
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| 11:24.27 | seeeS | bah 8x0 |
| 11:24.33 | seeeS | a lot of them are junk |
| 11:24.34 | Guerin | ma3x: japan is anything but cheap |
| 11:24.48 | ma3x | Guerin, electronics I mean |
| 11:24.49 | seeeS | we have plenty at work, thjey tend to lockup |
| 11:24.54 | Guerin | ma3x: even so. |
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| 11:25.30 | Guerin | ma3x: i haven't been kit-shopping in japan, but EVERYTHING is expensive there. Really fucking expensive. Stupidly so. |
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| 11:26.00 | sebastian | Guerin, liable, ok so let me get this right and i'll come back later: 1. blacklist oss (everything except snd-*) 2. check /etc/modules(for what?) 3.reboot and it works? 4. modprobe snd-intel8x0? |
| 11:26.22 | Guerin | sebastian: make sure none of the modules you blackklisted are in /etc/modules |
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| 11:26.32 | sebastian | ok thanks |
| 11:26.37 | Guerin | sebastian: 3 should be the end of it; 4 is an auxiliary |
| 11:26.56 | liable | sebastian: have you just installed a 2.6 kernel and alsa-base? |
| 11:27.05 | crysss | Is it possible to run a emt64 chroot under a 32Bit Debian? |
| 11:27.05 | Guerin | liable: been there |
| 11:27.09 | sebastian | liable, no |
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| 11:27.26 | sebastian | liable, i didn't do nothing to the kern! |
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| 11:27.39 | sebastian | liable, anything* |
| 11:27.52 | ma3x | Guerin, I have a collegue here. And she says there are really big electronic houses there, and it's very cheap. Much cheaper than in Europe |
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| 11:28.32 | Guerin | ma3x: does he include the cost of travel to/within tokyo? That is a meaningful consideration... |
| 11:28.32 | sebastian | liable, i was trying to install alsa so i installed all alsa packages, jack too |
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| 11:29.07 | Guerin | ma3x: hardware can be cheap here, too - if you go to a few specific places in Seoul. But by and large it ain't. |
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| 11:29.55 | liable | sebastian: does lsmod show i810 modules? |
| 11:30.52 | sebastian | let me see |
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| 11:32.08 | sebastian | liable, no i810! |
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| 11:32.33 | shadebob | hi, |
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| 11:32.48 | sebastian | liable, no i810! got that? |
| 11:32.52 | shadebob | anyone had configured Hylafax and faxmail with postfix on debian? |
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| 11:34.46 | sebastian | liable, there is no i810 module?!!! |
| 11:35.06 | liable | sebastian: yes, cause its a realteck card, not intel.. |
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| 11:35.24 | |krusty| | I'm using parted and want to resize my system partition.. but parted only wants to work with umounted drives.. what should i do? use parted from a live cd? what live-cd feature parted? |
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| 11:35.33 | sebastian | liable, you are right!!! |
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| 11:35.50 | rjalex | what should I do to clean up packages that "dpkg --get-selection" indicate with status DEINSTALL ??? Tried dselect and the remove option but it did not work. thanks. |
| 11:35.54 | sebastian | liable: is something wrong? |
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| 11:36.05 | liable | |krusty|: knoppix, ubuntu, sysrescuecd.. |
| 11:36.06 | b3nj | hello, i got a little problem with unixODBC, Can't open lib '/opt/ibm/iSeriesODBC/lib/libcwbodbc.so' : libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 , it tells me that there is no such file or directory. |
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| 11:36.19 | b3nj | but the file exists |
| 11:36.48 | |krusty| | ok. i'll try ubuntu then. |
| 11:36.56 | weazul | b3nj: you must global define path |
| 11:37.17 | weazul | b3nj: path is non-standard |
| 11:37.18 | liable | sebastian: no, you just need to google, find out what your cards oss modules are, modprobe -r them, then modprobe the alsa ones. Heres a start http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=linux+alc850&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 11:37.29 | sebastian | liable: is there something wrong? my sound card is realtek alc850 ac97 codec 5.1 or 7.1 software mode (onboard) |
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| 11:37.45 | b3nj | weazul: you mean i have to add /opt/ibm/iSeriesODBC/lib/ to $PATH ? |
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| 11:37.51 | sebastian | liable, thanks for the start! |
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| 11:38.01 | weazul | b3nj: yes |
| 11:38.11 | b3nj | weazul: i have alors made a link in /usr/lib |
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| 11:38.33 | rjalex | what is needed to eliminate packages that are shown to be in the "deinstall" state by dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 11:38.46 | weazul | b3nj: and link has the rights |
| 11:38.58 | weazul | b3nj: proper rights that is |
| 11:39.07 | b3nj | weazul: I'll check |
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| 11:39.28 | sebastian | liable, one more question: after alsa loads, alsaconf? |
| 11:40.17 | liable | sebastian: if sound doesnt work, then yeah, try alsaconf.. and alsamixer too. |
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| 11:41.06 | sebastian | does alsa play multiple streams (as oposed to oss)? |
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| 11:41.19 | sebastian | or does only jack do that? |
| 11:41.33 | liable | sebastian: walk before you run :) |
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| 11:41.44 | sebastian | :D |
| 11:42.05 | moreon | dondelelcaro: ping |
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| 11:42.53 | xine | can any one help me with mysql accounts |
| 11:43.00 | weazul | b3nj: also check .bash_profile if LD_LIBRARY_PATH is correct and/or add you lib path there |
| 11:43.19 | moreon | Any ops around? :) |
| 11:43.33 | asac | hi, any cmd line tool to convert decimal to hex? |
| 11:43.45 | rjalex | konqueror is not working for me after last upgrade. anyone can help fix please ????????????? |
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| 11:43.59 | b3nj | weazul: i have no .bash_profile |
| 11:44.14 | weazul | b3nj: if that doesnt work either you must edit ld.so.conf to set your custom lib path and after that run ldconfig |
| 11:44.25 | liable | moreon, if you have a problem with a spambot or something do '!ops foo is a whatever' |
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| 11:44.51 | sebastian | liable: looks like i stunbled into some other problem! realtek has some linux drv on the site! should i install them, or is that neccessary only for spdif? |
| 11:44.55 | moreon | liable: dont have a problem of my own, wanted to talk to an op about a channel management type issue in privmsg. |
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| 11:45.29 | liable | sebastian: oh, i dunno. dont have one |
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| 11:45.40 | liable | moreon: oh, try #freenode maybe.. |
| 11:45.59 | moreon | liable: no, i mean #debian channel management :) hehe |
| 11:46.13 | cheal | rjalex: #debian-kde |
| 11:46.16 | dondelelcaro | moreon: ? |
| 11:46.26 | moreon | dondelelcaro: may I /msg? I have a neat idea for you :P |
| 11:46.27 | rjalex | cheal: thank you very much |
| 11:46.30 | dondelelcaro | sure |
| 11:46.37 | b3nj | weazul: i have edited ld.so.conf, but still doesn't work |
| 11:47.04 | weazul | yes i know and after edit you run ldconfig |
| 11:47.11 | rjalex | cheal: will debian-kde help me even though my system is Gnome based but I use konqueror since I hate nautilus ??? |
| 11:47.19 | b3nj | weazul: i ran it too |
| 11:47.26 | b3nj | weazul: but still doesn't work |
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| 11:47.32 | weazul | :b3nj reboot |
| 11:47.46 | b3nj | weazul: ok |
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| 11:48.18 | codomaniac | I am not able to start the X server ... |
| 11:48.27 | cheal | rjalex: hopefully, since your problem is with a KDE component |
| 11:48.28 | codomaniac | it says this |
| 11:48.36 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:48.47 | b3nj | weazul: the computer is rebooting |
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| 11:49.09 | deepan | codomaniac: i have 128 mb.... answer to you question in #linux |
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| 11:52.22 | jm_ | detzli: sometimes it's documented in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>, sometimes apps themselves give you this info, otherwise you have to look into source package |
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| 11:53.33 | key2 | hey |
| 11:53.35 | at0m|c | /s/hingwah/hi |
| 11:53.40 | key2 | how can I install a X with apt-get ? |
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| 11:54.40 | litage | detzli: if you still have the config.log, it'll say |
| 11:54.59 | b3nj | weazul: bad luck |
| 11:55.22 | weazul | b3nj: hmm.. |
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| 11:58.00 | b3nj | weazul: web-sav:~# grep ibm /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 11:58.00 | b3nj | /opt/ibm/iSeriesODBC/lib |
| 11:58.00 | seeeS | /etc/hosts.*, you mean hosts.allow? |
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| 11:58.16 | at0m|c | yes, and .deny |
| 11:58.31 | seeeS | well, it depends on the application |
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| 11:58.46 | seeeS | most should check those files on connection. some bad ones might do it at startup |
| 11:59.28 | at0m|c | so if i close ssh and reopen a connection, it's possibly reset? |
| 11:59.31 | seeeS | ifup;ifdown is the wrong way around btw |
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| 11:59.40 | shadebob | I have problem with hylafax faxmail + postfix on debian... anyone can help me? |
| 11:59.40 | at0m|c | right lol |
| 11:59.54 | seeeS | well, ssh will check any new connections |
| 12:00.07 | at0m|c | ifdown;ifup would that work for cycling? |
| 12:00.16 | seeeS | it would do nothing |
| 12:00.25 | weazul | b3nj: hmkay looks good.. |
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| 12:00.48 | seeeS | probably just saving the files would mean ssh will use them |
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| 12:00.51 | at0m|c | oki will close and open the ssh |
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| 12:01.07 | at0m|c | but to test it i have to go to the other machine to test connection from there |
| 12:01.08 | seeeS | best idea is to keep existing connection and try a new one |
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| 12:01.17 | at0m|c | right |
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| 12:01.52 | weazul | b3nj libs are owned by root? |
| 12:02.01 | b3nj | weazul: omg, i think the error message is that it cannot find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
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| 12:02.21 | b3nj | weazul: root is the only owner |
| 12:02.50 | drac | b3nj: apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ? |
| 12:03.00 | drac | b3nj: ..has that file. |
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| 12:03.28 | b3nj | drac: i'm trying, thanks |
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| 12:04.50 | weazul | b3nj: :-/ |
| 12:05.02 | Lanix | heyyyyyyy ! |
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| 12:06.21 | MustangMatt | What does it mean if I try to join #java and it says I need to be identified? |
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| 12:06.43 | resiak | MustangMatt: /msg nickserv help |
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| 12:07.45 | jm_ | it means you should not pester #debian about it |
| 12:07.51 | b3nj | weazul: it works now :/ |
| 12:07.53 | litage | slapd has a client cert installed, and is running ldaps. i'm trying to determine if there are any problems with the client or root/ca cert that are installed |
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| 12:08.01 | litage | i ran s_client and have gone through the output and see that the 2 certs it spat out are different. however, i don't know if they're supposed to be the same or not. any suggestions?: http://paste.debian.net/1846 |
| 12:08.01 | b3nj | *ahem* |
| 12:08.15 | GNU-GPL | hello |
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| 12:09.13 | MustangMatt | Got it. Thanks resiak. |
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| 12:10.07 | Dantix | where can I obtain the package kernel-source-2.6.11? |
| 12:10.43 | liable | !info kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 12:10.46 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.6.11: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.11 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.11-7 (sid), Packaged size: 35523 kB, Installed size: 35648 kB |
| 12:10.59 | liable | !info kernel-source-2.6.11 etch |
| 12:11.07 | cheal | Dantix: in sid |
| 12:11.22 | elirips | hello. is there a kernel option to disable the check of the filesystem (this thing like '/dev/hda1 has been mounted 30 times without beeing checked, check forced')? i don't want to disable it completly, but i would like to have menue-entry in grub where i know it does no checking - it is quite annoying if you have a presentation and when booting you wait min. until the partition is checked. |
| 12:11.31 | weazul | b3nj: congrats ;-) |
| 12:11.42 | herbi | anyone know when oo.org2 beta is coming to unstable? |
| 12:11.49 | b3nj | weazul: bad, but it works |
| 12:11.49 | jm_ | elirips: man tune2fs |
| 12:11.53 | cheal | herbi: when it will be stable |
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| 12:12.00 | cheal | herbi: as you said it, never |
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| 12:12.14 | herbi | cheal, ah i see...thanks |
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| 12:12.36 | pawdro | hi, where i can find deb of the latest eclipse? |
| 12:12.42 | pawdro | does anyone know? |
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| 12:12.54 | liable | elirips: yes, buggered if i can remember where that option is set though. |
| 12:12.57 | Dantix | thanks |
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| 12:13.13 | saloxin | postfix address rewriting - anyone got it working and can give some hints? |
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| 12:14.32 | antgel | elirips: not from grub, but you can create a file /fastboot. see /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh |
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| 12:16.20 | elirips | antgel: so it is not possible to have a boot-entry like 'no checking of the fs if you boot this entry', and all other entries will check like usual, with the default settings? |
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| 12:16.37 | elirips | antgel: guess i can't pass a 'touch /fastboot' to the kernel..(?) |
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| 12:17.21 | resiak | elirips: Patch init! |
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| 12:19.01 | theD3viL | Why when i start debian .. start picuture (where shows what is loading) .. dont close? |
| 12:19.30 | liable | engrish please.. :P |
| 12:19.40 | azeem | liable: hush |
| 12:19.46 | azeem | theD3viL: are you using GNOME or KDE? |
| 12:19.53 | theD3viL | azeem, gnome |
| 12:20.03 | resiak | theD3viL: Stable, Testing or Unstable ? |
| 12:20.04 | azeem | theD3viL: which Debian version? sarge? |
| 12:20.32 | theD3viL | resiak, azeem: sarge |
| 12:20.44 | liable | azeem: bite me. |
| 12:21.31 | azeem | liable: I don't believe it is acceptable to jump on other people's english-as-a-foreign-language skills when the question *is* discernable |
| 12:22.12 | liable | azeem: i dont want to start an argument. maybe it was discernable to you and resiak, to me it was vague. |
| 12:22.37 | theD3viL | azeem, ... what to do ? |
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| 12:22.55 | resiak | liable: "engrish please :P" is a fairly harsh way to say "Sorry, I don't understand your question." :) |
| 12:22.57 | azeem | theD3viL: one thing you could try is removing gnome-smproxy from your session |
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| 12:23.10 | azeem | I believe that helps |
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| 12:23.30 | kl1 | hi when i try to look at volumen control it say no mixer elements found, any one knows why is that? |
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| 12:23.53 | theD3viL | azeem, remove? |
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| 12:24.25 | azeem | Applications->Desktop Preferences->Advanced->Sessions |
| 12:24.29 | azeem | whatever that is in your locale |
| 12:25.00 | azeem | there, go to "Current Session", select gnome-smproxy and hit the Remove button |
| 12:25.05 | liable | resiak: I actually thought it was a humurous way to say that, but anyway, whatever you guys reckon.. |
| 12:25.08 | theD3viL | azeem, tnx |
| 12:25.10 | kl1 | and also totem was working ok, but now when i try to listen radio it says di u run gst register? what is tha? :( |
| 12:25.16 | theD3viL | azeem, i just didnt know if i remove it :) |
| 12:25.26 | azeem | ok |
| 12:25.39 | theD3viL | brb reboot |
| 12:25.48 | azeem | hrm. |
| 12:26.22 | Sayid | Hi evryone, i used alsaconf yesterday and my soundcard worked fine but today it don't find anything. Anyone who knows why? |
| 12:26.22 | antgel | fwiw, i had no idea what that question was either |
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| 12:26.46 | azeem | sward: it was humorous for you, but perhaps not for theD3vil? |
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| 12:26.56 | azeem | anyway. |
| 12:26.56 | sward | "Speak English you fsckturd" is clearly unacceptable |
| 12:27.09 | azeem | sward: I only said "hush", I didn't call the cops |
| 12:27.09 | liable | azeem: well, there are non-english debian channels... |
| 12:27.45 | kl1 | yes there are #debian-es |
| 12:27.52 | kl1 | #debianmexico too |
| 12:27.58 | streuner | Sayid: did you re-run 'alsaconf' ? |
| 12:28.04 | antgel | kl1: there are lots. no need for a list |
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| 12:28.22 | azeem | liable: yes, but he might not know about them. If we can't get his question after one rephrase, it's ok to suggest a language-specific chan I guess |
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| 12:28.30 | sward | azeem: :P <--- the smiley! If some people can't see it as humorous, they can ignore it, it's not going to kill them |
| 12:28.40 | azeem | though from his IP and nick, it wasn't immediately obvious to me where theD3vil is from |
| 12:29.18 | MustangMatt | I'm from Orgrimmar. |
| 12:29.22 | streuner | Sayid: so you saying alsaconf didn't find any soundcard, right? |
| 12:29.26 | streuner | Sayid: so you saying alsaconf didn't find any soundcard, right? |
| 12:29.38 | Sayid | streuner: right |
| 12:29.55 | streuner | Sayid: what version of debian? |
| 12:29.56 | antgel | azeem: how is liable supposed to know that you can make sense of that question? |
| 12:30.03 | Sayid | streuner: current |
| 12:30.12 | streuner | Sayid: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:30.39 | antgel | i thought alsaconf wasn't recommended, anyway |
| 12:30.44 | Sayid | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 12:30.52 | MustangMatt | streuner: I don't know if you remember a few weeks ago you were helping me with my sata raid problems. Just wanted to let you know I got everything resolved. |
| 12:30.58 | azeem | antgel: that's not my point. My point is that 'engrish please :*P' is not the preffered way of saying 'please rephrase your question, I did not understand' |
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| 12:31.14 | streuner | MustangMatt: heh? |
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| 12:31.43 | streuner | Sayid: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 12:32.04 | Sayid | streuner: Linux version 2.4.27-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) |
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| 12:32.27 | streuner | Sayid: it must be magic then |
| 12:32.38 | Sayid | streuner: okey :/ |
| 12:32.46 | antgel | azeem: worse things happen at sea. he didn't insult him. theD3viL didn't seem to take offence, and rightly not. |
| 12:32.56 | Serpentwolf | kind of a petty question sorry... but im unsure to how i should do an install. i have the sarge netinst cd, but i want 'testing'. so do i do the base install, then just tell the installer to use 'testing' ? |
| 12:32.58 | streuner | Sayid: or did you use an 2.6.x kernel yesterday? |
| 12:33.08 | Sayid | streuner: nope |
| 12:33.21 | antgel | Serpentwolf: if you don't know the answer, are you sure that you should be running testing at all? |
| 12:33.52 | streuner | Sayid: How come you used ALSA without any modules yesterday? |
| 12:34.18 | MustangMatt | For the average user, is there ever a reason to use testing over stable backports? |
| 12:34.20 | streuner | Sayid: or did you compile those modules for yourself? |
| 12:34.56 | Serpentwolf | antgel i ran testing on another system for like a year, but thats long ago, i forgot how i did the install. |
| 12:35.04 | Sayid | streuner: I installed my first debian installation yesterday i wanted to fix my sound card, so i used alsaconf and it found Intel x86xxx something. And now when i turn on the computer this morning the sound doesnt work |
| 12:35.08 | antgel | MustangMatt: it's not a case of average. it's a case of can you handle it when things break? stable backports are often good, but running more than one can lead to tears. |
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| 12:35.17 | MustangMatt | Serpentwolf: The easiest way I know is to do a standard install and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list from stable to testing. |
| 12:35.31 | Sayid | streuner: I just apt-get install alsa-utils, base, modules |
| 12:35.34 | streuner | Sayid: use used prolly linux26 - so the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 12:35.35 | antgel | Serpentwolf: ok. i would just install the minimal stable and dist-upgrade from there, before you install loads of apps |
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| 12:35.47 | streuner | s/use/you/ |
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| 12:35.56 | Serpentwolf | MustangMatt that sounds about right. antgel ok dist-upgrade, will do. |
| 12:36.06 | streuner | Sayid: just install an 2.6.8 kernel |
| 12:36.08 | Sayid | streuner: you mean i should use a 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:36.22 | streuner | Sayid: yep, re-run alsaconf again |
| 12:36.31 | Serpentwolf | Can i use reiserFS on /home without creating extra complications? |
| 12:36.43 | resiak | !reiser |
| 12:36.43 | dpkg | somebody said reiser was filed in my brain under "reiserfs". http://boudicca.tux.org/hypermail/linux-kernel/2001week19/0069.html |
| 12:36.50 | resiak | Bah, that's useless. |
| 12:36.53 | Sayid | streuner: ok, ty |
| 12:37.00 | antgel | !fs comparison |
| 12:37.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 12:37.13 | Serpentwolf | shot thanks. |
| 12:37.37 | antgel | Serpentwolf: i can't find the factoid, but there's one saying that all reiser users love it till it loses their data :P |
| 12:37.53 | Serpentwolf | antgel heh. ok. ext3 it is. |
| 12:38.10 | antgel | aha |
| 12:38.13 | resiak | antgel: It's now under both reiser and reiserfs |
| 12:38.16 | antgel | !tell Serpentwolf about reiserfs |
| 12:38.19 | MustangMatt | I can relate to that. heh. |
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| 12:38.32 | antgel | resiak: *nod* |
| 12:38.54 | MustangMatt | When I last used reiser, the repair tools gave a lot of "THIS IS EXPERIMENTAL ONLY DO NOT USE" type warnings. haha |
| 12:39.18 | MustangMatt | That was a couple of years ago though. |
| 12:39.25 | Serpentwolf | MustangMatt i got error about 2fsprogs conflicts.... i think ill marry ext3 and have its children. |
| 12:39.35 | Serpentwolf | thanks for the advice guys. |
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| 12:41.09 | antgel | where is greycat these days, has he given up irc? |
| 12:41.31 | Sayid | streuner: do you know a guide for beginners to install a new kernel? |
| 12:41.54 | antgel | !tell Sayid about reference |
| 12:41.56 | resiak | antgel: He's taking a break from #debian . |
| 12:42.08 | antgel | resiak: why? blood pressure? |
| 12:42.20 | sward | He lives in #bash |
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| 12:42.28 | sward | (greycat ^^^) |
| 12:42.29 | streuner | Sayid: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 12:42.39 | resiak | antgel: Not sure exactly why. I have my suspicions. I'm not sure he'll stay long if and when he comes back. |
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| 12:42.55 | MustangMatt | Speak of the devil! |
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| 12:43.04 | streuner | Sayid: and pick one, follow the instructions and always keep a rescue system (floppy, CD) handy :-) |
| 12:43.11 | antgel | jesus that's fucking frightening |
| 12:43.13 | sward | He heard us talking about him :) |
| 12:43.15 | streuner | !wb greycat |
| 12:43.17 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! greycat has returned! |
| 12:43.18 | Sayid | streuner: thx alot friend |
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| 12:48.09 | sema4 | is the gcc in testing (which means 4.0.1) suppose to compile the same things 3.3 used to ? |
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| 12:48.25 | greycat | the Linux kernel won't build with gcc4 |
| 12:48.41 | fireba11 | am curious .. why that? |
| 12:48.48 | sema4 | greycat: what about say a qt/kde theme? |
| 12:48.49 | greycat | 'cause it's broken, like always. |
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| 12:49.23 | drac | greycat: Hmm, 2.6.12 and up compiles with gcc4. |
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| 12:50.28 | drac | sema4: If something doesn't compile with it, it's a bug to be reported. |
| 12:50.42 | drac | sema4: preferably to upstream |
| 12:51.21 | drac | bug in the program that doesn't compile, not in gcc |
| 12:51.27 | litage | i'm sure there's a quick answer to this SSL/slapd question, i just don't know what it is =P http://rafb.net/paste/results/6x2Jpc85.html |
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| 12:51.44 | V1k0 | hello 2 all |
| 12:51.44 | sema4 | drac: thanks for the clarification |
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| 12:52.17 | V1k0 | could somebody tell me how to higher the sound |
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| 12:52.22 | Sayid | streuner: Im running 2.6.8 kernel now and the sound works perfect, ty |
| 12:52.26 | poncho | Hello.! |
| 12:52.27 | V1k0 | after the update is very low |
| 12:52.29 | streuner | Sayid: np |
| 12:52.40 | streuner | V1k0: aumix |
| 12:52.57 | V1k0 | streuner: what? |
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| 12:53.12 | streuner | V1k0: run 'aumix' |
| 12:53.16 | V1k0 | I`m a new with linux ;) |
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| 12:53.48 | streuner | V1k0: apt-get install aumix, run in a shell 'aumix' and listen to _fine_ music :-) |
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| 12:55.34 | sema4 | stupid question ... should an alsa app be able to capture sound as well as it plays (ie ... doesnt sook cause another app is also playing) ? |
| 12:56.21 | V1k0 | streuner: thanks :) |
| 12:56.35 | streuner | V1k0: np :-) |
| 12:56.43 | V1k0 | sorry for disturbing you for a such lame problem but i`m still in process of learning ;) |
| 12:57.07 | antgel | !tell V1k0 about reference |
| 12:58.17 | V1k0 | thanks |
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| 12:59.58 | SuperSox | hey, I've got a problem with the debian-installer, it hangs when it trys to install the yenta_socket module for my toshiba laptop... any suggestions? |
| 13:00.33 | Serpentwolf | choosing the inode sizes of ext3, does that have a performance difference, or just how space is used? |
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| 13:00.45 | antgel | SuperSox: have you googled? checked the d-l archives? |
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| 13:01.00 | greycat | I didn't have it long enough to figure out the problem, though. blacklisting yenta_socket and i810_audio may have helped slightly. |
| 13:01.12 | asg | SuperSox: also, see linux-laptops.net for information on your model. |
| 13:01.13 | bibe | SuperSox : try booting the d-i passing 'linux26 nolapic' |
| 13:01.19 | SuperSox | I'm a bit limited with my install options too, forced to boot off a floppy and the cd drive for the laptop doesn't seem to be working at all... I tried booting DSL off a floppy/usb combo but it died half way through boot |
| 13:01.27 | antgel | seems that d-i hangs a lot of laptops. what is it? shit hardware? |
| 13:01.29 | SuperSox | bibe: no 2.6 kernel - booting off floppy :| |
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| 13:01.46 | SuperSox | antgel: shit no... antiquated... yes ;) |
| 13:01.49 | bibe | SuperSox : then try 'linux nolapic', or 'expert nolapic' |
| 13:02.03 | SuperSox | bibe: ok I'll give that a shot cheers |
| 13:02.08 | greycat | antgel: in one case a while back, the i810_audio driver was definitely the culprit. the ALSA driver loaded no problem, but i810_audio OOPSed every time |
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| 13:03.07 | antgel | my point being that it seems to hang on laptops a lot more than desktops |
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| 13:03.17 | SuperSox | the only problem there is that it may not then detect my network card... which leaves me hosed for the rest of the install :( |
| 13:03.26 | SuperSox | antgel: Laptops are fickle beasts at the best of times ;) |
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| 13:03.38 | bibe | SuperSox : and have a look to the F1, ..., Fn pages, they should list boot parameters to disable pci and stuff like that. Try mixing those parameters to have a workable combination, then try eliminating them one by one until you reach an optimal point |
| 13:03.42 | antgel | SuperSox: local apic is nothing (relevant) to do with your nic |
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| 13:04.07 | SuperSox | antgel: okies ;) |
| 13:04.25 | antgel | SuperSox: i don't know for sure, but i predict that if d-i has an option to not autodetect your hardware, you're away (providing you know what hardware it is) |
| 13:06.21 | greycat | antgel: it's discover+hotplug that ends up doing the damage in my experience. |
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| 13:06.57 | SuperSox | hotplug is I think what was crashing dsl |
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| 13:07.14 | Langly1 | how can i make apt-get forget about previous packages that didnt get deps installed when trying to install something else |
| 13:07.19 | SuperSox | which is annoying, if I could get that loaded onto the hard drive off the usb pen, then I'd have no problems getting debian installed |
| 13:07.22 | SuperSox | brb |
| 13:07.26 | greycat | Langly1: fix the problem. don't attempt to cover it up. |
| 13:07.39 | Langly1 | ive tried, its being a bitch |
| 13:07.49 | Langly1 | I even tried apt-get remove blah |
| 13:07.55 | Langly1 | and it cryed and didnt uninstall |
| 13:07.56 | asg | greycat: interesting choice of words given his nick |
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| 13:08.17 | Langly1 | package isnt actualy needed for the program though, so it doesnt really matter |
| 13:08.20 | Langly1 | its VLC |
| 13:08.30 | Langly1 | and its one of the dvd decoder librarys |
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| 13:08.38 | Langly1 | and my laptop doesnt have a dvd rom |
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| 13:08.44 | Langly1 | so it doesnt bloody matter |
| 13:09.02 | Langly1 | I just want it to forget it and move on |
| 13:09.30 | duffman | want to write my sec harddisk os winxp in grub...its located in /dev/hdb2...what do i have to write: |
| 13:09.38 | duffman | title Win |
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| 13:09.56 | duffman | title Win |
| 13:10.02 | duffman | rootnoverify (hd2,2) |
| 13:10.07 | duffman | chainloader +1 ?!?!?!?! |
| 13:10.18 | asg | duffman: there are examples in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples |
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| 13:10.30 | guiss | hi, i would like to know what backup tool would you recommend me to use for backing up from one hard disk to another |
| 13:11.03 | antgel | guiss: rsync |
| 13:11.08 | LSorensen | guiss: depends how you intend to use the backup. |
| 13:11.15 | LSorensen | guiss: I second rsync. very handy tool |
| 13:11.47 | guiss | LSorense, then I should make some bash scripts in order to make the backups, right? |
| 13:11.51 | duffman | dont understand what hd0,0 means |
| 13:12.15 | duffman | win is on hdb2 |
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| 13:12.40 | Langly1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:12.59 | Langly1 | vlc: Depends: libxv1 but it is not installed |
| 13:13.11 | Langly1 | and ive tried hand installing it, doesnt work |
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| 13:13.17 | Langly1 | screw it for now |
| 13:13.26 | Sayid | streuner: just an question, why can't i gind 2.6.10 when i use apt-cache search 2.6 ? |
| 13:13.58 | streuner | Sayid: stable hasn't 2.6.10 - the lastest kernel for stable is 2.6.8 |
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| 13:14.37 | streuner | Sayid: use 2.6.8 and get some experience, after a while you use another kernel. |
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| 13:15.04 | Sayid | streuner: aha ok i understand :) |
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| 13:16.34 | Jasziu | hi - anyone can help me - i cant compile kernel, had used most manuals from google and nothing helps. |
| 13:16.44 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 13:16.44 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 13:17.01 | antgel | Jasziu: do you need to comile a kernel? |
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| 13:17.47 | Jasziu | i afraid i have to because my ISP have french modem |
| 13:17.58 | Jasziu | and it doesnt work |
| 13:18.12 | greycat | preemptive *plonk* |
| 13:18.35 | jm_ | !pebbas |
| 13:18.35 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Britain And Spain |
| 13:18.58 | streuner | !factinfo pebbas |
| 13:18.58 | dpkg | pebbas -- created by ricky_clarkson <n=ricky@unaffiliated/rickyclarkson> at Thu Aug 18 11:08:40 2005 (22 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by jm_, 23s ago. |
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| 13:20.02 | Jasziu | sry - anyone speeks polish? |
| 13:20.09 | abrotman | !po |
| 13:20.09 | dpkg | somebody said po was Piss Off or Post Office |
| 13:20.12 | abrotman | !pl |
| 13:20.13 | dpkg | pl is, like, sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 13:20.13 | pureone | ~pl |
| 13:20.16 | apt | somebody said pl was sometimes referred to as \"packet loss\" |
| 13:20.16 | abrotman | ha! |
| 13:20.26 | abrotman | ApT: that's just wrong |
| 13:20.38 | Jasziu | thanks |
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| 13:22.27 | badcoder | i have installed jdk-1.4 what is the classpath to use when compiling i cant find it ? |
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| 13:22.45 | abrotman | badcoder: how did you install it? |
| 13:23.41 | Langly1 | basicaly it gives me a trying to overwrite blah package, which is also part of xlibs |
| 13:23.53 | jm_ | check BTS |
| 13:24.05 | greycat | Langly1: what unofficial package(s) did you use? |
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| 13:24.22 | Langly1 | the onces with VLC |
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| 13:24.28 | greycat | well purge them. |
| 13:24.37 | Langly1 | ive bloody tried apt-get remove and it hasnt worked |
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| 13:24.51 | greycat | Langly1: dpkg --purge the-offending-package |
| 13:24.51 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 13:24.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:24.56 | jm_ | dpkg, not apt-get |
| 13:24.57 | greycat | !errors |
| 13:24.57 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
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| 13:26.03 | badcoder | apt-get install jdk-14 |
| 13:26.28 | badcoder | i also installed demo and src pkgs |
| 13:27.58 | Langly1 | there we go fixed |
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| 13:28.47 | Guerin | amazingly |
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| 13:29.09 | Leonelproxy | apt-get .... ???? PHP5 ??? |
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| 13:29.59 | Guerin | Leonelproxy: omfglolmanapt-get |
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| 13:30.07 | streuner | Leonelproxy: give us more details, please. |
| 13:31.03 | streuner | Leonelproxy: version of debian, kernel you are running (custom or not) and what you wanna do. |
| 13:31.06 | Leonelproxy | i´don´t now how to dwnloaded the lasted version of Php 5 how the name i call in apt-get |
| 13:31.14 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 13:31.39 | Guerin | !acs php5 |
| 13:31.40 | dpkg | apt-cache search php5 |
| 13:31.45 | streuner | Leonelproxy: php5 is official avaiable in unstable |
| 13:31.53 | streuner | Leonelproxy: so use php4 |
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| 13:32.03 | Guerin | .oO(please let him not be running unstable) |
| 13:32.13 | Leonelproxy | i maken this and don´t find any anithing |
| 13:32.32 | Guerin | Leonelproxy: use php4 |
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| 13:32.49 | Leonelproxy | but php 4 is not stable version .!! Had aproblem if corruped memory |
| 13:32.58 | Guerin | Leonelproxy: lies |
| 13:33.17 | jm_ | everything will have problems with corrupted memory, even PHP5 |
| 13:33.18 | streuner | Leonelproxy: /join #debian.de |
| 13:33.26 | Leonelproxy | the stable version pof php is php 4..0.4 |
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| 13:34.00 | Guerin | Leonelproxy: the php4 in debian sarge works perfectly |
| 13:34.14 | Langly1 | this si what I had been installing http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
| 13:34.26 | Guerin | Langly1: use the debian packages |
| 13:34.38 | Guerin | Leonelproxy: i know this, because I run a fairly high-load server based upon it |
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| 13:34.53 | Langly1 | No debian package ive found of VLC, perhaps of the libdvdcss2 |
| 13:34.55 | Guerin | Leonelproxy: the ones IN debian, i mean |
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| 13:35.06 | Guerin | Leonelproxy: what branch of debian? |
| 13:35.11 | jm_ | hmm [xg]vidcap from Marillat segfaults for me when trying to make m*peg*/avi/asf movies |
| 13:35.11 | streuner | Langly1: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 13:36.06 | streuner | vlc is avaiable in unstable and stable... |
| 13:36.23 | Langly1 | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared librarys and Timezone |
| 13:36.30 | zzz | Hi! I' m trying to make my own initrd with /usr/sbin/mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.2.4.24.img 2.4.24 , but fails, it said xxx module doesn' t exist, but the /lib/modules/2.4.24 directory exist, its correct. Could anybody tell me what can be wrong? ($INITRD_LD_LIBRARY_PATH should be set to ??) |
| 13:36.32 | Leonelproxy | and any boduy bnows if debian suports asp? |
| 13:36.33 | greycat | looks like etch |
| 13:36.47 | greycat | zzz: there is no 2.4.24 kernel in Debian |
| 13:36.49 | yuacht | Leonelproxy, you mean Active Server Pages? |
| 13:36.55 | Langly1 | I dont have etch in my sources.list |
| 13:36.58 | streuner | Langly1: show us your sources.list (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 13:37.09 | Guerin | Langly1: testing |
| 13:37.15 | zzz | greycat: i compiled it for myself. |
| 13:37.15 | badcoder | i cannot fing java.lang.* in my jdk installation via apt-get |
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| 13:37.22 | streuner | !info vlc testing |
| 13:37.29 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1.svn20050314-1 (etch), Packaged size: 5106 kB, Installed size: 12944 kB |
| 13:37.39 | antgel | zzz: 1. do you need to compile a kernel? 2. do you need to compile an old one? |
| 13:37.40 | Langly1 | Its on my laptop, and i cnat copy over easyily, bbl ill tweak for awhil emyself |
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| 13:38.07 | streuner | Langly1: delete sources.list and run 'apt-setup |
| 13:38.20 | eps | I'm after a program that will detect duplicate file names (or ones similar to each other) and files with the exact same file sizes, is any one aware of a program close to this? |
| 13:38.26 | greycat | !info libc6 etch |
| 13:38.29 | greycat | !info libc6 sarge |
| 13:38.29 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.5-6 (etch), Packaged size: 4815 kB, Installed size: 16356 kB |
| 13:38.40 | Guerin | eps: find, ls and awk |
| 13:38.40 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 13:38.41 | sphere | [15:38] <Leonelproxy> and any boduy bnows if debian suports asp? |
| 13:38.47 | greycat | ah, my mistake. |
| 13:38.51 | sphere | for real? |
| 13:38.58 | asg | sphere: chiliasp |
| 13:39.12 | zzz | antgel: well, i still didn' t change here to 2.6.x. |
| 13:39.20 | eps | Guerin heh, I have around 20 thousand text files to go through :P ... anything automated? |
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| 13:39.37 | Guerin | eps: the above can be automated. |
| 13:39.41 | Leonelproxy | tks mann |
| 13:39.47 | greycat | awk is pretty automatic once you write the program |
| 13:39.57 | asg | sphere: debian doesn't support it and we sure don't but it is (or was) a for pay product. |
| 13:40.01 | eps | Guerin I see... oh well, off to the perl mines with me :| |
| 13:40.05 | eps | thanks :) |
| 13:40.21 | Guerin | eps: yeah, perl can do all that too :) |
| 13:40.27 | jm_ | eps: fdupes for some simple tasks |
| 13:40.41 | sphere | asg: just wondering why anyone would want to run ASP on a debian box |
| 13:40.43 | eps | jm_ thanks :) |
| 13:40.53 | Leonelproxy | rock and roll |
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| 13:41.08 | asg | sphere: probably because they have developers that don't know anything else. |
| 13:41.50 | eps | jm_ ! perfect! it does nearly everything I wanted :) |
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| 13:41.53 | sebastian_paul | Guerin: I'm back! |
| 13:41.56 | Langly1 | apt-setup run, hasnt created a new sources.list |
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| 13:42.20 | sebastian_paul | Guerin: Are u free to help me? |
| 13:42.21 | Guerin | sebastian_paul: we haven't met. |
| 13:42.33 | Guerin | i may not be expensive, but i'm certainly not free |
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| 13:42.38 | sebastian_paul | Guerin: yes we did! |
| 13:42.40 | phyrster | what kernel module provides dynamic info about CPU frequency? |
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| 13:43.06 | Langly1 | <streuner> Langly1: delete sources.list and run 'apt-setup - did that, didnt make a new sources.list file, dont leave me hanging |
| 13:43.10 | sebastian_paul | Guerin: I didn't knew you hacker take money?! :P |
| 13:43.13 | js_ | whats a good video streaming server? |
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| 13:43.28 | phyrster | or how to show the CPU frequency in console? |
| 13:43.30 | Guerin | js_: apache |
| 13:43.34 | noroute | js_: VLC |
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| 13:43.44 | Guerin | vlc is better in this case, yeah |
| 13:43.50 | js_ | Guerin: what do i need to find out stuff about for that? |
| 13:43.51 | js_ | noroute: ok |
| 13:44.14 | sebastian_paul | Guerin: You helped me with alsa, remember? |
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| 13:44.35 | streuner | Langly1: deb http://ftp.(country-code).debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 13:45.10 | streuner | Langly1: deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:45.20 | abrotman | Langly1: i think the file has to be there first `touch /etc/apt/sources.list;apt-setup` |
| 13:45.33 | streuner | Langly1: use an editor and edit /etc/apt/sources.list - run 'apt-get update' |
| 13:45.43 | sebastian_paul | Here is a question for everyone: Debian stable or testing? |
| 13:45.43 | Guerin | sebastian_paul: nope. |
| 13:45.48 | ruser | hey, i'm slowly switching to run linux from user and threre is one of the things i cna't get right from user account, is alsa. when i try to run alsamixer i get: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied |
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| 13:45.49 | Guerin | sebastian_paul: stable |
| 13:46.02 | row | Hi there, I am using a mini net install iso to setup my new server its using 2x WD250KS drives (wd 250gb sata) they both show up as 137gb but not via the bios is this cause its a old net inst iso, what should I used instead if it is as I want ext3 so using bf2 img. |
| 13:46.04 | row | ? |
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| 13:46.48 | abrotman | row: which installer are you using? |
| 13:46.55 | row | hmm let me check |
| 13:47.01 | jm_ | row: you need kernel > 2.4.19 to support disks over 173G |
| 13:47.05 | jm_ | > 2.4.18 |
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| 13:47.10 | row | ah |
| 13:47.12 | row | got ya |
| 13:47.14 | sebastian_paul | Guerin: You and some other guy/girl l* helped me with alsa and u told me come back if i need further help! |
| 13:47.16 | abrotman | which was why i asked .. he may be using the woody installer |
| 13:47.18 | row | so if iso lower than that need to upgrade it |
| 13:47.19 | Gathond | row: might be, I think the 137 GB thing was a software thing not a hardware/bios |
| 13:47.21 | jm_ | get netinst images for Sarge |
| 13:47.23 | abrotman | row: do you have the name of the ISO |
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| 13:47.38 | row | bf2.4-3.0.23-netinst.iso |
| 13:47.41 | greycat | abrotman: he's got woody. |
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| 13:47.45 | row | that would be the issue |
| 13:47.46 | jm_ | yes bf is Woody |
| 13:47.46 | row | :D |
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| 13:47.47 | greycat | !d-i row |
| 13:47.48 | dpkg | row, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:47.57 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 13:47.57 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
| 13:47.58 | sebastian_paul | Everyone: But Debian stable has rather old software! |
| 13:47.58 | abrotman | bah |
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| 13:48.03 | abrotman | it does not! |
| 13:48.13 | antgel | sebastian_paul: don't flame |
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| 13:48.15 | abrotman | sebastian_paul: are you familiar with debian? |
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| 13:48.18 | row | I always upgrade the kernel carm down. |
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| 13:48.20 | greycat | troll. |
| 13:48.21 | row | :P |
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| 13:48.29 | badcoder | how do i isntall jdk in debian ? |
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| 13:48.34 | asg | badcoder: /msg dpkg install java |
| 13:48.36 | greycat | badcoder: /msg dpkg java |
| 13:48.45 | abrotman | row: yes .. but in order for the installer to see the full size .. you need the sarge installer |
| 13:49.04 | row | yeah |
| 13:49.07 | row | but does that do ext3? |
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| 13:49.15 | greycat | !d-i row |
| 13:49.16 | dpkg | row, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:49.20 | row | I am going there |
| 13:49.22 | antgel | row: please read the install guide |
| 13:49.22 | row | carm down! |
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| 13:49.30 | Guerin | row: install to ext2 and add a journal |
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| 13:49.42 | antgel | oh the humanity |
| 13:49.44 | imnes | I've installed telnetd-ssl, does it need an entry in my /etc/inetd.conf to work? |
| 13:49.53 | asg | antgel: vogonity |
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| 13:49.58 | antgel | imnes: did you read the docs? |
| 13:50.16 | imnes | I'm looking for them. |
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| 13:50.33 | asg | imnes: /usr/share/doc/<pkg> is always your first stop |
| 13:50.35 | quiet | just an FYI, i started a new channel. Aimed to discussion of Linux/BSD/Windows help.. but open to any kind of discussion as well. #unixpunx :) |
| 13:50.37 | imnes | Previously I installed and the service was added / started as part of the package install. |
| 13:50.41 | antgel | imnes: perhaps they're in /usr/share/doc, like all the other packages |
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| 13:51.15 | imnes | antgel: All it has is changelog and copyright |
| 13:51.25 | sanxiyn | imnes: If it's inetd-using package, I think it will use update-inetd to update inetd.conf at install time. |
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| 13:51.41 | antgel | imnes: oh dear. not much of a package. not even readme.debian.gz? |
| 13:51.47 | imnes | sanxiyn: I think that's what it was supposed to do, but it didn't :) |
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| 13:51.59 | imnes | antgel: Nope. There's a NEWS.Debian.gz, but not very helpful |
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| 13:52.16 | sanxiyn | imnes: Perhaps a bug. |
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| 13:52.24 | antgel | imnes: please report a bug. not acceptable imo |
| 13:52.31 | cirdan | hey all, i'm getting a segfault with gcc4.0 when i try to build linux-2.6.13 |
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| 13:52.35 | imnes | Can anyone recommend a different telnet server to try? |
| 13:52.40 | exi1 | Who do I ask a question? |
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| 13:52.42 | greycat | imnes: ssh |
| 13:52.46 | resiak | !tell exi1 -about ask |
| 13:52.54 | imnes | Can't ssh out from my work, no outgoing encrypted connections. |
| 13:52.58 | sanxiyn | imnes: I think telnetd did update inetd.conf, so perhaps the maintainer forgot to add one for telnetd-ssl. |
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| 13:53.04 | greycat | imnes: uh, what do you think SSL is? |
| 13:53.09 | cirdan | anyone able to build it? it's dying in the nfs code |
| 13:53.16 | greycat | cirdan: try gcc-3.3 |
| 13:53.17 | imnes | it has fallback to non-encrypted |
| 13:53.23 | resiak | ... |
| 13:53.28 | greycat | imnes: resign. |
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| 13:53.31 | imnes | heh |
| 13:53.42 | cirdan | greycat: is it enough to just symlink gcc3.3 to gcc? |
| 13:53.43 | greycat | imnes: do you want to work for these idiots? |
| 13:53.44 | mazze1 | I've configured and compiled my Linux-kernel, but my keyboard does not work! I'm sure I misconfigured something, but don't find it out! Can anybody give me a hint? |
| 13:53.50 | sanxiyn | "Can't ssh out from my work"? What is that... |
| 13:53.53 | greycat | cirdan: that's overkill, but probably would work. |
| 13:53.53 | antgel | mazze1: use a kernel-image |
| 13:53.54 | PerfDave | imnes: Uhm, do you mean "no outgoing encrypted connections" or "the firewall blocks port 22"? |
| 13:54.03 | greycat | sanxiyn: draconian nazism? |
| 13:54.08 | cirdan | greycat: how is that overkill? |
| 13:54.17 | greycat | cirdan: the "right" way is to edit the kernel Makefile |
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| 13:54.24 | cirdan | ah |
| 13:54.26 | cirdan | heh |
| 13:54.27 | greycat | cirdan: that way you don't use gcc-3.3 for *everything |
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| 13:54.30 | streuner | PerfDave: hi |
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| 13:54.36 | mazze1 | antgel I know I could, but I'm used to use kernel-package instead. And, I absolutely want to know why my keyboard is not working. |
| 13:54.36 | PerfDave | streuner: Hello |
| 13:54.48 | exi1 | I use SID (ALSA version 1.09b4). I have a MediaForte SF64 radio card (PCI) and it's probe fails with error -5. (Cannot find primary AC'97 codec). I also have the VIA8233A which also uses AC'97. |
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| 13:54.58 | resiak | !ac97 |
| 13:54.58 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 13:55.09 | b3nj | somebody here having a little bit of experience with unixODBC and charset things ? |
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| 13:55.13 | erirlar | uhm, how do i cd folder like "Program Files" in terminal? |
| 13:55.14 | imnes | I mean they don't allow any encrypted connections out of the building, they have to log all data going in and out or something like that. |
| 13:55.19 | greycat | erirlar: use tab completion |
| 13:55.23 | |krusty| | Q: I've just used aptitude to download kernel-sources.. when i checked, the sources were just a compressed bz file.. should i uncompress it myself.. or? |
| 13:55.24 | asg | erirlar: cd Pr<tab> |
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| 13:55.31 | asg | erirlar: or escape the space with '\ ' |
| 13:55.35 | sanxiyn | erirlar: cd Program\ Files |
| 13:55.39 | greycat | or quote it just like you did. |
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| 13:56.03 | exi1 | the driver for my card is snd-fm801. If I modprobe it with no arguments, it fails. If I modprobe it with the 'tea575x_tuner=3' argument, as for my card, it also fails. What else should I try? |
| 13:56.04 | erirlar | sanxiyn: thanks it work! |
| 13:56.12 | greycat | |krusty|: what makes you think you want these sources? |
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| 13:56.20 | antgel | mazze1: you're not likely to get much help if you don't _need_ to compile a kernel. there are users with _real_ problems |
| 13:56.33 | antgel | !tell |krusty| about reference |
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| 13:56.45 | tarzeau | i have an icp vortex raid controller (actually 4) and the gdth.o loaded (from 2.4.31). but dmesg shows sda/sdb with 0 mb size and i can't (c)fdisk the disks... |
| 13:56.57 | tarzeau | does someone have any tips or similar problems? |
| 13:57.07 | |krusty| | greycat: i'm compiling a driver that need the source, in addition to.. of course the headers.. |
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| 13:57.34 | greycat | *this* is why I get upset and rude. |
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| 13:57.49 | exi1 | dpkg: any ideas? |
| 13:57.49 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and a dozen sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 13:58.23 | exi1 | gee thanks a lot. |
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| 13:58.39 | exi1 | :-/ |
| 13:58.40 | afat | Hey there People! :) |
| 13:58.40 | xsquared | hi, does anyone know where i could read about implementing SSL connections within my program? |
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| 13:58.50 | greycat | xsquared: stunnel |
| 13:58.53 | xsquared | with the ssl library |
| 13:58.54 | antgel | exi1: dpkg is a bot |
| 13:58.59 | tarzeau | xsquared: which? gnu or open? |
| 13:59.06 | xsquared | i don't mind |
| 13:59.08 | imnes | |krusty| have you installed linux-kernel-headers ? |
| 13:59.08 | tarzeau | xsquared: i do |
| 13:59.13 | mazze1 | antgel I want to user 2.6.13 because of a driver for the USBAT02-Chip (external USB-Card-Reader). 2.6.13 is the first kernel to include the driver, and partly due to this I don't want to use debian's latest (2.6.11) kernel-image. |
| 13:59.19 | afat | I'm kinda new around Linux and I need some Help on Diskless-Booting. |
| 13:59.21 | greycat | imnes: wrong package. |
| 13:59.27 | sanxiyn | xsquared: "SSL and TLS: Designing and Building Secure System", of course. |
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| 13:59.38 | xsquared | lol |
| 13:59.44 | sanxiyn | xsquared: It's a good book. |
| 13:59.47 | |krusty| | the driver (ctr-1472 mpeg4 encoder).. complain about files missing.. and the manual tells me to compile using kernel sources.. i know it's strange. greycat: ask me any C/C++ question.. and check my incompetence.. i'm just new to using debian |
| 13:59.50 | xsquared | i mean like ebook, documentation |
| 13:59.52 | antgel | mazze1: then why did you say you could use a kernel image? :) |
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| 13:59.58 | tarzeau | xsquared: there's a good reason to mind, which one you'll take |
| 13:59.58 | greycat | xsquared: stunnel |
| 14:00.00 | antgel | !tell afat about ask |
| 14:00.03 | imnes | Looks like the telnetd-ssl package was 'touched' somehow by ubuntu so I'll file the bug with them about it. |
| 14:00.17 | |krusty| | it should be enough having the kernel-headers |
| 14:00.20 | xsquared | tarzeau: gnu? |
| 14:00.27 | tarzeau | xsquared: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html |
| 14:00.29 | antgel | imnes: are you using ubuntu? |
| 14:00.32 | tarzeau | xsquared: gnu-tls or openssl |
| 14:00.37 | mazze1 | antgel I think I still could, with downloading the source of the USBAT02-driver separately and try to compile against kernel-headers of debian's kernel. |
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| 14:00.52 | xsquared | tarzeau: okay, i just want it to connect to an ssl service |
| 14:00.53 | antgel | !tell mazze1 about m-a |
| 14:01.07 | xsquared | tarzeau: can gnu-tls connect to openssl? |
| 14:01.08 | imnes | Yeah this is on Ubuntu, but nobody in there seemed to know about the server type packages so I came in here |
| 14:01.13 | sanxiyn | xsquared: Yes. |
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| 14:01.17 | antgel | !ubuntusmite imnes |
| 14:01.19 | afat | Uhm... yeah .. Well I tried everything I could... (and this chatting is too fast for me:p ) But I can't get my TFTP-server to work well. |
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| 14:01.36 | xsquared | cool |
| 14:01.38 | asg | afat: if irc is too fast, try one of the mailing lists |
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| 14:01.41 | exi1 | How does this debian-user@lists.debian.org work? Do you send an e-mail describing the problem and then you wait a few days? |
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| 14:01.56 | afat | well yeah.. |
| 14:02.01 | sanxiyn | exi1: More like a few hours. |
| 14:02.02 | bibe | mazze1 : take a look at http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/sarge/index.htm, there's a section about compiling a custom kernel with kernel-package. You can download and uncompress linux-2.6.13.tar.bz2 from ftp.kernel.org, start from a Debian kernel-image (or linux-image) config file, enable your driver's support and have a Debian-like kernel |
| 14:02.02 | mazze1 | afat what TFTP-Server do you use? |
| 14:02.03 | *** mode/#debian [-b %row!*@*] by greycat |
| 14:02.03 | antgel | exi1: http://lists.debian.org |
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| 14:02.10 | sanxiyn | exi1: Of course it's possible you won't get any answers. |
| 14:02.11 | zaikxtox | hello. someone knows that modules i need to load on a stock debian kernel to have temperature and cpu sensors? |
| 14:02.12 | asg | exi1: sometimes a few minutes even |
| 14:02.15 | afat | HPA's |
| 14:02.20 | zaikxtox | i mean... to let monitor apps use them |
| 14:02.23 | xsquared | so where can i read a bit about implementing gnu-tls into my application? |
| 14:02.33 | greycat | xsquared: STOP asking that. |
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| 14:02.39 | antgel | !tell zaikxtox about lm-sensors |
| 14:02.39 | greycat | !tell xsquared about repeat |
| 14:02.47 | sanxiyn | xsquared: GNU TLS manual, of course. |
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| 14:03.08 | sanxiyn | xsquared: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/documentation.html |
| 14:03.08 | zaikxtox | thanks antgel |
| 14:03.14 | exi1 | sanxiyn: if I get no answer within a week, should I just guive up and try another card? |
| 14:03.15 | xsquared | greycat: pfft. what is stunnel anyway? |
| 14:03.19 | sanxiyn | xsquared: Perhaps you want something quick. :( |
| 14:03.23 | asg | !stunnel |
| 14:03.23 | dpkg | stunnel is, like, stunnel.org :P, or at http://stunnel.mirt.net/ (official site), or cool. Description: Universal SSL tunnel for network daemons |
| 14:03.27 | xsquared | greycat: is it a standable app? |
| 14:03.48 | antgel | xsquared: may i suggest you google. |
| 14:04.09 | afat | So yeah I tried it. Put the pxelinux.0 in the TFTP dir and try booting - the Client get IP-Adrr from my DHCp-server- But can't deal with the TFTP-File_loading.. |
| 14:04.11 | ruser | how can i vier the debians changelog between versions for some package with apt-get? |
| 14:04.23 | mazze1 | bibe1 Thank you. Nevertheless I want to know what is wrong with my config. I'm not too sure about this, but when using "make menuconfig" in "Device Drivers/Input device support" there is nothing in the first section (Input devices) to choose. Is this normal? |
| 14:04.24 | ruser | s/vier/view |
| 14:04.29 | antgel | ruser: use aptitude |
| 14:04.48 | asg | ruser: apt-listchanges |
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| 14:05.17 | mazze1 | afat Did you configure your DHCP-Server to tell clients to get the file namen "pxelinux.0"? |
| 14:05.21 | Hecate | starting X, the screens gets grey and stuck there. The only problem I see in the log file is it can't find the font "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/" |
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| 14:05.43 | afat | Yep! |
| 14:05.43 | streuner | Hecate: what videocard do you have? |
| 14:05.45 | Virtual | I have managed to get MRTG up and it reports correctly traffic for eth1 and eth2 but can I monitor and create a graph for a computer in the local network that is behind this server? |
| 14:05.45 | asg | Hecate: how are you starting X |
| 14:05.46 | sanxiyn | ruser: aptitude, C on the package. |
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| 14:05.50 | antgel | Hecate: what wm? what if you just type X? do you get a mouse pointer? |
| 14:05.54 | exi1 | Hey anyone from Moldova / Romania around here? |
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| 14:06.09 | mazze1 | afat and what tells your TFTP-Server's log about the clients? |
| 14:06.10 | bibe | mazze1 : I don't know how you configured your kernel, start with a known-working one, make it work with your hardware, then strip away all unneeded modules/options |
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| 14:06.33 | afat | A... well.. |
| 14:06.34 | sanxiyn | Virtual: Do you want to use MRTG with SNMP? |
| 14:06.49 | afat | I didn't had chance to look at that one yet:p |
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| 14:07.03 | antgel | mazze1: i'm not even sure that ps2 keyboard is a compile option. take it to ##linux |
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| 14:07.20 | Virtual | sanxiyn: any method gto get it to work, server is debian, the lan computer is running windows |
| 14:07.32 | mazze1 | bibe I somewhen did this, of course, and now I have a config that works. The only thing that does not work is keyboard, and this never bothered me because of the machine being a server. But I don't understand it ... |
| 14:07.44 | Hecate | antgel: yeah I got a mouse pointer... but the screens stay grey |
| 14:07.49 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 14:07.57 | mazze1 | antgel thank you, I'll try it there ... |
| 14:08.01 | streuner | Hecate: install wmaker |
| 14:08.09 | streuner | Hecate: apt-get install wmaker |
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| 14:08.20 | Hecate | streuner: Ok lemme try |
| 14:08.20 | mazze1 | afat you should look at your logs for what happens, and if the clients request anything. |
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| 14:08.28 | elephantman | I use mencoder to create a .avi with a collection of jpeg files - In those jpeg files some are corrupted and make the movie stop |
| 14:08.39 | streuner | Hecate: and read /msg dpkg wm (xsession) |
| 14:08.39 | elephantman | How can i avoid those file during movie generation ? |
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| 14:09.02 | greycat | elephantman: uh... remove them? |
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| 14:09.23 | greycat | elephantman: or ask #mplayer? |
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| 14:09.29 | antgel | Hecate: install a window manager. how are you starting x? |
| 14:09.46 | afat | Okay I will.. |
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| 14:10.05 | antgel | streuner: why are you telling him to install window maker? do you really think that's a suitable wm for someone who can't work out how to install a wm? |
| 14:10.16 | Virtual | sanxiyn: any help ? |
| 14:10.20 | sanxiyn | Virtual: No idea. |
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| 14:10.42 | Hecate | Anyway it says that wmaker is already the newest version |
| 14:10.48 | afat | One other thingy... I got a ROM for PXE booting and Tried with that ( floppy-booting over the Net that is ) But it doesn't get an IP from my DHCP-serv |
| 14:10.52 | Hecate | so installation was stopped it seems |
| 14:11.00 | streuner | antgel: wmaker is light and very stable for sarge, no big headaches, a good start for someone who is new to debian |
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| 14:11.37 | aeronadix | how do you configure wireless again? for cable its ifconfig and eth0, for wireless what is it? |
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| 14:11.46 | antgel | streuner: let's not start a wm war, but the fact that it's light and stable doesn't make it easy for a newbie to use. what about icewm, *box, xfce? |
| 14:11.48 | streuner | !tell Hecate about xsession |
| 14:11.53 | mazze1 | afat you mean, it didn't boot because PXE-ROM of client didn't try to get an IP? |
| 14:11.55 | asg | aeronadix: man 7 wireless, man 5 interfaces |
| 14:12.01 | streuner | antgel: *shrug* |
| 14:12.07 | antgel | Hecate: i hope you're not logging in as root |
| 14:12.08 | aeronadix | asg, thx |
| 14:12.26 | miag | ;) |
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| 14:12.52 | Hecate | antgel: hum... yeah! :) |
| 14:13.02 | afat | That is when I tried with The Floppy rom-o-matic gave me |
| 14:13.08 | antgel | !tell Hecate about unix lessons |
| 14:13.12 | antgel | !tell Hecate about reference |
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| 14:13.32 | antgel | antgel: good spot ;) |
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| 14:14.57 | Hecate | antgel: well the problem with loging as a root is security reason all right? I don't really care about security right now |
| 14:15.11 | greycat | I don't care about Hecate. |
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| 14:15.12 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 14:15.14 | sanxiyn | !cddl |
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| 14:15.42 | Hecate | greycat: Actually can I have problems (except for security) logging as root? |
| 14:15.49 | Virtual | I have managed to get MRTG up and it reports correctly traffic for eth1 and eth2 but can I monitor and create a graph for a computer in the local network that is behind this server? |
| 14:15.57 | antgel | Hecate: read the unix lessons. please. oh, and start to care about security |
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| 14:16.08 | Hecate | all right all right |
| 14:16.09 | mazze1 | afat ? I don't get the point. What you need to netboot is a kernel, and perhaps nothing more, except you want to use PXE. |
| 14:16.14 | antgel | Hecate: it's not just security. it's stupidity |
| 14:16.22 | sanxiyn | Virtual: Yes, as long as you can write appropriate MRTG script and configuration. |
| 14:16.35 | Hecate | antgel: In my case, ignorance |
| 14:16.41 | greycat | logging in as root is like sleeping with a loaded pistol under your pillow... with the safety off. |
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| 14:16.53 | streuner | haha |
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| 14:17.18 | Hecate | greycat: Well it seems 2.5% united staters have loaded pistols in their houses |
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| 14:17.21 | Bellano | what's good motherboard and chipset for building server? |
| 14:17.24 | deepan | i am able to connect to vncserver from the same system but not from other windows system... i had pasted the tcpdump ouput .. please see that.. http://pastebin.com/358882 |
| 14:17.26 | afat | Well yes... But the only way I know of NETBOOTING a kernel is from PXE.. |
| 14:17.28 | noroute | Virtual: MRTG supports SNMP reporting if you're willing to take the risks associated with SNMP. |
| 14:17.40 | Hecate | just saw that in a newspaper yesterday |
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| 14:17.51 | afat | or a NETBOOTING FLOPPY.... |
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| 14:17.59 | mazze1 | afat okay, then you need pxelinux.0, a kernel, perhaps an initrd. |
| 14:18.10 | sanxiyn | SNMP: Simple (haha) Network Monitoring Protocol. |
| 14:18.20 | afat | well I got those !! :D |
| 14:18.22 | miag | Hecate: login as root, -> login as user -> login as anonymous, that's linux user's life. |
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| 14:18.55 | afat | I have read along for about a week... |
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| 14:19.28 | mazze1 | afat and where does the problem arise? Before getting IP, afterwards, before getting the kernel, before loading the kernel? |
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| 14:20.04 | sanxiyn | "The application of the United Nations Conventions on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded" |
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| 14:20.45 | afat | where the booting begins.. I get a IP- Then to Get the PXE-rom and there is when all goes wrong.. ( that is when I use pxelinux.0) |
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| 14:21.39 | D3viL^ET | How many time is from oldstable to new stable? |
| 14:22.16 | mazze1 | afat so, if I can understand you right, pxelinux.0 is not loaded by the client. What is in your TFTP-Server-Logs? |
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| 14:22.56 | abrotman | D3viL^ET: what? |
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| 14:23.06 | afat | Okay in the DOCs I had read they didn't point me to any TFTPD Logs yet... ( or I didn't read them well.. or ..) |
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| 14:23.42 | afat | and then comes the silly "Q" where are the TFTP-SERVER LOgs? |
| 14:23.54 | greycat | afat: cd /var/log; ls -lart | tail |
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| 14:24.26 | afat | Right. |
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| 14:24.31 | MrParity_ | hi ho :-) |
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| 14:24.37 | afat | I will check those..!:D |
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| 14:24.47 | afat | and comeback.. |
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| 14:25.02 | |krusty| | greycat: you were "right".. i didn't need the kernel sources, only the headers. another thing: i've tested aptitude for an hour now and i've already showing bugs.. '+' becomes 'l' etc.. how come? considered people say the debian testing procedure blows away other distro "competitors".... and not having used debian does not imply incompetence :/ |
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| 14:25.20 | MrParity_ | short question: when will adm64 officially supported by debian? |
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| 14:25.45 | mazze1 | MrParity_ as far as I know, amd64 is officially supported now. |
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| 14:25.53 | Knight_Lord | Is there any configuration parameter in apache that limits upload sizes? I can't upload files bigger than 2MB |
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| 14:26.03 | mazze1 | MrParity_ the archive is not in the main archive yet, but will get there before release of etch. |
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| 14:26.30 | row | if you have 2 swap partitions on different disks will linux/debian er cache stuff to opposite swap paritions or will it mirror them? |
| 14:26.30 | theD3viL | abrotman, how far away is newstable from oldstable? |
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| 14:26.39 | Dracka | Im setting up a debian system and I will use it as a router/firewall + some other stuff. Is there some sort of webinterfaced router "manager" (that controls iptables) which is easy to use for someone with not huge experience of networking? |
| 14:26.46 | abrotman | theD3viL: you mean woody compared to sarge? |
| 14:26.47 | MrParity_ | mazze1: thanks for the info :) |
| 14:26.49 | Hecate | what ~/ means |
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| 14:26.54 | theD3viL | abrotman, yes |
| 14:27.01 | sanxiyn | Hecate: Your home directory. |
| 14:27.04 | Hecate | okay |
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| 14:27.39 | antgel | |krusty|: what? |
| 14:27.48 | abrotman | theD3viL: why are you asking? |
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| 14:27.59 | NeoTech | Question: How is the support for the Intel 775 EM64T processor in Linux?? And support for SATA? |
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| 14:28.17 | theD3viL | abrotman, couse i wanna know how many years ill have sarge :) |
| 14:28.20 | streuner | Dracka: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 14:28.25 | b3nj | NeoTech: &çbit is ok and sata too |
| 14:28.26 | eps | what are all these kde packages waiting on in sid? |
| 14:28.30 | abrotman | theD3viL: oh .. that's not relevant .. it could be a year .. could be 3 years |
| 14:28.35 | abrotman | !woody |
| 14:28.35 | dpkg | hmm... woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
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| 14:28.36 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 14:28.36 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 14:28.36 | green_earz | Dracka: checkout shorewall and shorewallwebmin |
| 14:28.43 | Dracka | streuner, do they have a website (gonna google for it) where I can have a look at it? |
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| 14:28.48 | abrotman | theD3viL: they were 3 years apart |
| 14:28.50 | MrParity_ | NeoTech: do you mean linux or debian? |
| 14:28.53 | NeoTech | b3nj: so i can just install Sarge with a 2.6 kernel right onto the new box i got here and be happy.. =) |
| 14:28.55 | sanxiyn | NeoTech: EM64T fine, SATA getting better. |
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| 14:28.58 | Dracka | green_earz, I've heard of shorewall, does it have web interface? |
| 14:28.59 | NeoTech | MrParity: Debian of course.. |
| 14:29.01 | theD3viL | abrotman, ql...brb |
| 14:29.02 | antgel | theD3viL: www.debian.org/releases |
| 14:29.07 | abrotman | ql ? |
| 14:29.11 | NeoTech | sorry about the wrongful use of terms. |
| 14:29.13 | streuner | eps: every single package have to compile in order to take the new ABI Change... |
| 14:29.14 | abrotman | quite lovely? |
| 14:29.17 | |krusty| | antgel: yeah? i was referring to my Q to greycat? |
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| 14:29.20 | abrotman | streuner: if it's C++ |
| 14:29.22 | |krusty| | ?=. |
| 14:29.33 | streuner | abrotman: he speaking about KDE |
| 14:29.34 | row | How does debian/linux deal with more than one swap partition on different hdds? |
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| 14:29.41 | green_earz | Dracka: shorewall is command line but the is a webmin module for it |
| 14:29.43 | abrotman | streuner: that's C++ :) |
| 14:29.58 | abrotman | row: it uses them .. not a big deal .. you can have 10 swap on 10 drives |
| 14:30.08 | MrParity_ | NeoTech: but both are supported by debian and linux *g* |
| 14:30.13 | abrotman | of course .. we still have that stupid 2GB swap per partition limit .. but oh well |
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| 14:30.46 | greycat | at least it's not a 128 MB limit per partition any more. |
| 14:30.55 | exi1 | MediaForte SF64 PCI Radio Card fails with error -5 at modprobe time (Primary AC'97 codec not found). ALSA is 1.09b4, module is snd-fm801 |
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| 14:30.59 | row | abrotman: I am saying does it er use them first come first served or does it let says cache file A which is on hda onto hdb swap? |
| 14:31.01 | row | or what |
| 14:31.11 | abrotman | row: no idea .. ask #kernel |
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| 14:31.27 | abrotman | row: probably goes in the first available location |
| 14:31.32 | greycat | Linux questions should be asked in a Linux channel. |
| 14:31.36 | greycat | Not #debian, not #bash. |
| 14:31.39 | Ungy | ok I know I am an idiot but what program do I use to make a tar.gz file tar gzip or both? |
| 14:31.39 | abrotman | row: since technically .. it's swapping out of RAM .. not off the drive |
| 14:31.49 | greycat | Ungy: both |
| 14:31.53 | abrotman | hrm .. pending troll ? |
| 14:32.01 | MrParity_ | row: have a look at the software raid how-to (2.3) |
| 14:32.08 | exi1 | Is anyone there? |
| 14:32.10 | Ungy | greycat thanks |
| 14:32.17 | sanxiyn | NeoTech: Beware, it is said VIA SATA (and some other Serial ATA controllers) won't work with Sarge's installer. |
| 14:32.27 | greycat | abrotman: I kicked one idiot out of #bash this morning because he would *not* stop asking about dd'ing a linux kernel to a floppy. As if that had *anything* to do with bash. |
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| 14:32.28 | row | I don't want raid I am just wondering if its even worth using the space. |
| 14:32.38 | abrotman | greycat: hehe .. |
| 14:32.46 | abrotman | row: how far are you into swap ? |
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| 14:32.53 | debugger | hi |
| 14:33.00 | Dracka | green_earz, how is the web module called? |
| 14:33.01 | abrotman | row: `free` will tell you |
| 14:33.03 | tarzeau | exi1: no, there is nobody |
| 14:33.06 | exi1 | debugger: hi! |
| 14:33.07 | MrParity_ | row: i know |
| 14:33.12 | row | nah installing new system I have 2 hdds same partition setup rysnc it at night to have backups |
| 14:33.13 | NeoTech | MarParity: thx.. *ordering myself a new box then* |
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| 14:33.20 | row | so do I use swap or keep it for some random thing |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | row: are you going to mirror the drive exactly ? |
| 14:33.48 | row | yes. |
| 14:33.50 | e1vis | hey debugger |
| 14:33.52 | debugger | what is the RSS (resident set size) on the ps output? is the amount of memory a process has alocated? |
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| 14:33.57 | row | will raid not slow stuff down unless hardware tho |
| 14:34.04 | green_earz | Dracka: aptitude show webmin-shorewall |
| 14:34.12 | abrotman | row: then i don't think you can do what you're asking |
| 14:34.19 | row | er yes I can.... |
| 14:34.21 | row | I am doing it now |
| 14:34.21 | antgel | abrotman: avo, tomato, mozarella salad? |
| 14:34.22 | afat | Okay - I'm back. |
| 14:34.24 | abrotman | er .. noy ou can't |
| 14:34.33 | exi1 | MediaForte SF64 PCI Radio Card fails with error -5 at modprobe time (Primary AC'97 codec not found). ALSA is 1.09b4, module is snd-fm801. How do I make it work??? |
| 14:34.34 | row | maybe you miss udnderstand me |
| 14:34.35 | abrotman | antgel: i like alfalfa sprouts |
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| 14:34.54 | abrotman | row: you ahve two identical drives .. and every night you're going to dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb .. right ? |
| 14:35.00 | row | 2 hdds, same parition setup, only mount some partiions, at night mount backup partitions and rysnc so each disc has a copy of data |
| 14:35.03 | row | incase one fails |
| 14:35.14 | row | raid would not provided the delayed backup effect which I want |
| 14:35.16 | abrotman | row: so you're not backing up the *entire* first drive ? |
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| 14:35.43 | row | ./ on hda, /home hdb baisc setup would be more complex but thats the kinda thing |
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| 14:35.52 | Ungy | greycat tar -c gb.tar gb/ does some really wierd stuff I must be doign somethign wrong |
| 14:35.54 | xiao | has slrn support utf-8? |
| 14:35.59 | row | each disk as same partitions tho so /home on hdb backs up to /mnt/backups/home on hda |
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| 14:36.10 | exi1 | help |
| 14:36.11 | antgel | xiao: google |
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| 14:36.19 | abrotman | did exi1 ask a question? |
| 14:36.28 | abrotman | row: so you will have unused partitions on hdb ? |
| 14:36.30 | MrParity_ | NeoTech: oh, greate. we will set up an amd64 box with sata next days, so i hope that it will work for you :) |
| 14:36.38 | antgel | abrotman: i don't know, in amongst all the vagueness |
| 14:36.38 | exi1 | abrotman: Yes, I did |
| 14:36.43 | hanz | how to checkout the version of a debian machine? |
| 14:36.50 | row | abrotman: yes. |
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| 14:36.59 | NeoTech | MrParity: yes me too, i go for an Intel 775 processor instead.. |
| 14:37.00 | abrotman | exi1: did you ask #alsa ? |
| 14:37.02 | greycat | something about ALSA. no kernel details given. probably a custom kernel. probably gentoo. |
| 14:37.13 | antgel | row: apt-cache show rsnapshot |
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| 14:37.15 | row | abrotman: I know raid would get more outof my hdds but I want delayed backups with out large bandwidth usage. |
| 14:37.19 | xiao | antgel: i just wonder whether slrn in debian supports utf8 or not. |
| 14:37.19 | exi1 | abrotman: I'll try that right away. |
| 14:37.21 | bibe | hanz : cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:37.35 | abrotman | row: then if you're going to have left over space .. then i suppose you could use one of the partitions as swap .. but you still didn't tell me how far into swap you are |
| 14:37.36 | MrParity_ | NeoTech: is it a server system? |
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| 14:37.38 | afat | Okay, so I tried looking at the TFTP-Logs but didn't see any changes around any client asking for any File... |
| 14:37.38 | green_earz | Dracka: all so for a good reference book on the subject , iptables check out > " linux firewalls ' Robert L Ziegler " checkout amazon for a second hand copy |
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| 14:38.05 | row | abrotman: what do you mean how far into swap I am how much I am using or how large swap space is what ya mean :P |
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| 14:38.15 | abrotman | row: check with `free` .. it will tell you how much swap you have used |
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| 14:38.43 | abrotman | row: have you used any? |
| 14:38.43 | Ungy | can I use tar against a directory? |
| 14:38.46 | row | abrotman: I have no os installed yet I am install a new system |
| 14:38.56 | antgel | xiao: i know the answer. i googled slrn utf8 debian. not rocket science |
| 14:38.57 | Gathond | Ungy: yes |
| 14:39.02 | abrotman | row: ah .. is it just a fileserver? |
| 14:39.06 | abrotman | row: and how much RAM ? |
| 14:39.09 | antgel | xiao: http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/03/25 |
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| 14:39.19 | row | abauer: 1gb ram mail/db/http atm |
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| 14:39.33 | abrotman | row: many users? |
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| 14:39.42 | row | will have burstable 10mbit so not too many |
| 14:39.46 | antgel | row: did you check out rsnapshot? |
| 14:39.49 | paulswm | Ungy: The tar info pages give a pretty good tutorial re. tar |
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| 14:39.51 | row | angel about to |
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| 14:39.58 | abrotman | rsync is good |
| 14:40.04 | Ungy | Gathond ahh ok I can't seem to figure out the options needed -c does some wierd crap and my gets borked |
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| 14:40.10 | sanxiyn | rsync is good! |
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| 14:40.21 | abrotman | row: i'm asking because you're making this extra work .. and you may not need another swap partition |
| 14:40.23 | Langly1 | what I would like to know now, just "yes or no" not "how", is there a way to dump the full debian install you have on your hard drive to a usb pendisk and make it bootable |
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| 14:40.25 | recyclebin | sanxiyn, ? |
| 14:40.27 | Gathond | Ungy: tar cf filename directory |
| 14:40.31 | Ungy | paulswm ahh info pages tried help and man |
| 14:40.53 | Ungy | Gathond, ahh f thanks |
| 14:40.55 | Gathond | Ungy: its good custom to make the filename part of the .tar the same as the directory name (as that predicts where it ends up) |
| 14:40.56 | xiao | antgel: thanks you very much. i have tried to recompile slrn with utf8 support, but i can't compile through. |
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| 14:41.11 | Ungy | Gathond yup that is what I did |
| 14:41.13 | Gathond | Ungy: yes, -f for file (else it uses stdout) |
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| 14:41.20 | abrotman | Langly1: there are docs .. somewhere |
| 14:41.23 | antgel | xiao: the files are no longer in his repo, so perhaps it's un unstable now. check the chanegelog |
| 14:41.30 | Ungy | Gathond, ahh no wonder I was getting that crap on my screen |
| 14:41.36 | NeoTech | MrParity_: well, server and servers.. it's a comuter with ridicolous of hd space and memory and the biggest processor i could get in the 775 family. ;D |
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| 14:41.56 | row | abrotman: let me explain in full then, this is a tempory server till its bandwidth becomes maxed then it will be rmeoved form datacenter and replaced with higher spec server on 100mbit line atm it will be 10mbit burstable running mail/www/mysql er and possibly dns server of some kind. |
| 14:42.01 | badcoder | fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; //error make-jpkg: command not found |
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| 14:42.24 | sanxiyn | badcoder: apt-get install java-package |
| 14:42.25 | antgel | !tell badcoder about java-package |
| 14:42.26 | row | abrotman: using 2 x 16mb sata wd 250gb drives, 1gb (2x512mb kit) DDR400 |
| 14:42.41 | abrotman | row: but i think if tyou have 1GB ram .. and 2GB swap .. that should be fine .. it depends on the number of users |
| 14:42.42 | streuner | badcoder: apt-get install dpkg-dev |
| 14:42.49 | sanxiyn | streuner: ? |
| 14:42.51 | afat | One other "silly" question... I was looking at some Docs and some say that Swapping over NFS is bad... and some say it's for your Good. I'm somewhat confused here... could you help me? |
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| 14:43.14 | streuner | badcoder: oh, you want java? /msg dpkg java |
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| 14:43.18 | antgel | afat: what sort of swapping? |
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| 14:43.26 | abrotman | Langly1: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s01.html#usb-boot |
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| 14:43.30 | sanxiyn | streuner: java-package pulls dpkg-dev by dependency. |
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| 14:43.47 | miag | badcoder: if you foss believer, wait for gcj, it 90% |
| 14:43.54 | xiao | antgel: now slrn's version is just like that mentioned in the web page. |
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| 14:43.58 | row | abrotman: not many users I would not think, but you see with raid I would not have the delayed backups on each disc so er I am faced with do I waste some space on other hdds or just run 2swaps anyway. |
| 14:43.59 | sanxiyn | badcoder: Or kaffe. |
| 14:44.10 | abrotman | Langly1: and i think yes .. you can have an install on a USB stick |
| 14:44.21 | afat | Uhm.. well I dunno.. I guess they speak in generel |
| 14:44.29 | antgel | xiao: not just a case of version. needs to be built against slang2 |
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| 14:44.57 | row | abrotman: btw the installer suggested 2.8gb.... |
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| 14:45.01 | antgel | afat: if you don't know what the question means, why do you care about the answer? |
| 14:45.02 | abrotman | row: if i were doing it .. i'd probably keep the swap on the same drive .. no point in beating up your backup drive |
| 14:45.10 | abrotman | row: then you would need two swap partitions |
| 14:45.50 | row | antgel: I just looked at rsnapshot, I run backuppc so er kinda does that all already. |
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| 14:46.03 | sanxiyn | antgel: Heh. |
| 14:46.16 | sanxiyn | antgel: For many uses, gcj is ready *now*. |
| 14:46.16 | badcoder | anyone here has used unix sco ? i was trying to make a mirror disk with dd but i get error 79 |
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| 14:46.49 | antgel | sanxiyn: probably. but since i heard rms sing the free software song, i've had a funny taste in my mouth |
| 14:46.55 | row | abrotman: one is not backup drive I have root one one drive and home on the other to keep speeds up, so I recon running 2 swaps can't do any harm I can always unount it, this is a test run btw I will be doing another install from scratch once I have final setup of server down on paper as such. |
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| 14:47.08 | sanxiyn | antgel: Join us now and share the software. |
| 14:47.17 | abrotman | row: ah .. ok .. i really did misundersatnd you .. then just run two swaps .. one 2GB on each drive .. |
| 14:47.24 | afat | well.. I want to make a Cluster and .... some books around clustering say that Swapping is a bad thing... But some other books say you would do fine if you had Swapping over NFS. (sorry I'm a bit slow around typing) So.. I want to make a Cluster and ofcourse I want it to be fast but also secure... |
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| 14:47.28 | streuner | !win miag |
| 14:47.28 | sanxiyn | miag: Ah, pdftk. |
| 14:47.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, miag! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 14:47.34 | abrotman | miag: you freak! |
| 14:47.38 | row | abrotman: k sweet exactly what I thought but wanted to check |
| 14:47.47 | abrotman | row: sorry i misunderstood .. |
| 14:47.48 | green_earz | row: will you be using a software raid ? if so i can post you a howto link for the debian install and raid setup |
| 14:47.53 | antgel | sanxiyn: i think the lyrics should go "hackers, all software should be free, easy for me to say, i'm really quite middle-class, and besides i get lots of perks as i'm the nuts" |
| 14:47.58 | abrotman | green_earz: nope .. it's a delayed nightly backup |
| 14:48.06 | green_earz | ok |
| 14:48.09 | Hecate | antgel: In the lessons, why does it says not to change permissions? Does it means I can't give the right to read files? |
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| 14:48.35 | cdbuiles | ? |
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| 14:49.02 | sanxiyn | (Debian package of pdftk and libitext-java is separate. A bit unfortunate?) |
| 14:49.03 | antgel | Hecate: no, what it really means is don't change permissions unless you know what you are doing. most permissions problems aren't. |
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| 14:49.13 | antgel | sanxiyn: scan? |
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| 14:49.24 | Hecate | all right |
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| 14:49.34 | row | green_earz: no software or hardware raid, reason been want delayed backups not seemless running even durning hdd failure |
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| 14:49.58 | sanxiyn | antgel: As in "does not fit the meter". |
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| 14:50.51 | |krusty| | free software song? |
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| 14:51.36 | cheal | openbsd song? |
| 14:51.45 | greycat | two per year. |
| 14:51.46 | resiak | !fgi |krusty| free+software+song |
| 14:51.47 | resiak | ;) |
| 14:51.47 | dpkg | |krusty|: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=free+software+song |
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| 14:52.48 | antgel | sanxiyn: dude, the meter is free :) |
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| 14:54.05 | antgel | !seen perfdave |
| 14:54.06 | dpkg | perfdave <n=grimoire@stanley.ox.compsoc.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 59m 30s ago, saying: 'streuner: Hello'. |
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| 14:54.07 | ircdevil | my boss forced me to convert a rather complex latex doc to word: "everybody uses word. i do not care whatever you say!". and now he is badass stuck friday night trying to fiugre how to order footnotes and thanks, both in arabic numerals, on the title page !!! |
| 14:54.13 | ircdevil | i am so delighted :o) |
| 14:54.21 | greycat | Free Verse |
| 14:54.25 | antgel | ircdevil: he's a retard |
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| 14:55.30 | xiao | antgel: thank you very much. i have read the changelog. it says that slrn has been built against slang2 to get full utf8 support |
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| 14:55.43 | ircdevil | antgel: he is expecting his son and daughter in law for dinner - and this has to be in order first :oD !!! and now it is his problem |
| 14:55.50 | antgel | xiao: it's all in the details :) |
| 14:55.56 | antgel | !smite ircdevil's boss |
| 14:55.59 | xiao | antgel: but my problem still there. |
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| 14:56.16 | antgel | xiao: perhaps you should tell us what your problem is |
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| 14:56.47 | ircdevil | and my cell phone is broke, so he cant call and yell at me :o) |
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| 14:56.57 | xiao | anibal: my problem is that i can't use slrn to visit some newgroups |
| 14:56.59 | abauer | hi. is there a way to sniff serial traffic? I have a device connected to serial port 0 and a linux application which sends data to this device. now i want to be able to sniff this data. is this possible? |
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| 14:57.09 | Dazgar1 | hi |
| 14:57.20 | Dazgar1 | im trying to compile some tuff |
| 14:57.22 | antgel | abauer: i came across this problem yesterday. there is a package in mentors. slsnif i think |
| 14:57.27 | xiao | antgel: except i change my local an termianl soft |
| 14:57.42 | Dazgar1 | stuff and ld complain saying : |
| 14:57.46 | Dazgar1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.47 | antgel | o_O |
| 14:57.53 | abauer | antgel: thanks. ill take a look |
| 14:57.55 | sanxiyn | Dazgar1: So get it. |
| 14:58.06 | greycat | !find libhowl.so |
| 14:58.10 | Dazgar1 | can you tell me please what is the missing lib |
| 14:58.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libhowl.so' (2): (/usr/lib/libhowl.so) in libdevel/libhowl-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libhowl.so.0|libhowl.so.0.0.0}) in libs/libhowl0. |
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| 14:58.22 | Dazgar1 | greycat: who, speedy gonzalez !! |
| 14:58.25 | sanxiyn | Dazgar1: apt-get install libhowl-dev |
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| 14:58.31 | ircdevil | heh |
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| 14:58.33 | Dazgar1 | thanks for the answer man |
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| 14:58.44 | johnga1t | after editing my /etc/crontab file, do i need to do anything to make changes take effect? |
| 14:58.46 | greycat | !info libhowl-dev sid |
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| 14:58.50 | dpkg | libhowl-dev: (Development files for the Howl library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.9.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 14:58.52 | greycat | johnga1t: no |
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| 14:59.02 | greycat | !maint libhowl-dev |
| 14:59.05 | johnga1t | greycat: thanks. |
| 14:59.06 | dpkg | libhowl-dev: Jeff Waugh <jdub@perkypants.org> |
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| 14:59.13 | greycat | !smite Jeff Waugh |
| 14:59.17 | abauer | antgel: is there a way to add mentors as a source? |
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| 14:59.33 | antgel | abauer: dunno |
| 14:59.38 | sanxiyn | abauer: deb-src http://mentors.debian.net/debian/ unstable main |
| 14:59.41 | greycat | !info libhowl0 |
| 14:59.45 | dpkg | libhowl0: (Library for Zeroconf service discovery), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.9.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
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| 14:59.49 | sanxiyn | abauer: As documented on mentors.debian.net, I must say. |
| 14:59.55 | abrotman | abauer: you speak! |
| 14:59.58 | greycat | ok, that's better than the previous description. |
| 15:00.10 | abauer | sanxiyn: thanks |
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| 15:00.18 | xiao | antgel: when using utf-8 locale, what i can see in slrn is just some thing like "<C1><C4><CC><EC><B9><E0>Ë®.<C7><E9>" |
| 15:00.19 | abauer | abrotman: yeah, from time to time :)= |
| 15:00.22 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:00.41 | antgel | xiao: don't ask me. try slrn mailing list |
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| 15:01.08 | antgel | oh dear, bad light in the test match and the aussies were doing so well :P |
| 15:01.14 | xiao | antgel: ok, i will have a try. thanks again. |
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| 15:04.48 | beware_of_the_sn | excuse me if this is a bit of an easy question but how do i change what happens on certain runlevels? |
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| 15:05.07 | valdyn | !runlevel |
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| 15:05.16 | antgel | !tell beware_of_the_sn about runlevels |
| 15:05.18 | dpkg | it has been said that runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 15:05.29 | valdyn | beware_of_the_sn: /etc/rcX.d/ ( X for runlevel ) |
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| 15:06.04 | abauer | antgel: thanks! it works great |
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| 15:06.20 | beware_of_the_sn | i know how to change runlevel, i want to have one with multiuser but no X |
| 15:06.28 | antgel | abauer: thanks for talking :P |
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| 15:06.59 | valdyn | !nodm |
| 15:06.59 | greycat | so make one. |
| 15:06.59 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 15:07.18 | antgel | jesus do other distros turn x on and off via runlevel? |
| 15:07.20 | greycat | cd /etc/rc4.d; rm blah; ln -s blah blah |
| 15:07.31 | greycat | antgel: yes, slackware and red hat did that for a decade. |
| 15:07.34 | karma1 | I would like to dol a full install (not netinst) with the full cd set, but I only have 7 blank CD's right now, do I need all 14 to do a full install or do most of the CD's just have extra packages not needed for install |
| 15:07.36 | greycat | I don't know whether they still do. |
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| 15:07.52 | antgel | greycat: how intuitive ;) |
| 15:08.08 | antgel | !tell karma1 about install guide |
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| 15:08.14 | greycat | antgel: now everyone who comes to debian from RH or slack just assumes that run level 5 is X and run level 2 is no X. |
| 15:08.19 | greycat | or whatever the convention was. |
| 15:08.21 | thingfish | karma1: I did a Desktop Environment, File Server, and Print Server, and it only required the first 2 CDs. |
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| 15:08.38 | antgel | greycat: istr something vaguely like that from rh6 but i was mostly stoned at the time |
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| 15:08.48 | karma1 | thingfish: ahh, great, thanks |
| 15:08.53 | thingfish | np |
| 15:08.54 | beware_of_the_sn | yeah im an ex-suse user and id use runlevel 5 for X or runlevel 3 for not X |
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| 15:09.13 | valdyn | karma1: you only need the first CD to do a 'full' install by some definition, packages are ordered by popularity |
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| 15:09.26 | Ungy | I hate suse |
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| 15:09.27 | antgel | beware_of_the_sn: suggest you don't fuck with it unless you have a good reason |
| 15:09.39 | theD3viL | thingfish, you can have only 1 cd.. netinstall |
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| 15:09.49 | antgel | theD3viL: he can't netinstall ^^^ |
| 15:10.00 | theD3viL | oh... sry then |
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| 15:11.22 | beware_of_the_sn | i didnt know what the difference was between distros when i got suse, i was jsut trying to get into linux somehow |
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| 15:12.01 | valdyn | karma1: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
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| 15:12.24 | yang | I have problems configuring locales dpkg-reconfigure locales doesnt work - http://channels.debian.net/paste/686 |
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| 15:12.47 | karma1 | valdyn: ahh, that helps a great deal, thanks |
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| 15:13.55 | beware_of_the_sn | but those damned rpm dependencies drove me away |
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| 15:14.05 | valdyn | dpkg, cd contents is http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt lists packages on each sarge CD |
| 15:14.06 | dpkg | ...but cd contents is already something else... |
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| 15:14.12 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 15:14.12 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. stew has created a searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
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| 15:14.18 | valdyn | neat |
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| 15:14.36 | chealer | yang, you generated the en_US locale? |
| 15:14.53 | valdyn | yang: open a new shell then try again |
| 15:15.01 | ttz | hi there, I would like someone to _bounce_ me a Debian security advisory on tataz@docisland.org, please, thank you |
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| 15:15.15 | chealer | ttz, ? |
| 15:15.21 | ttz | chealer: yes ? |
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| 15:15.26 | valdyn | ttz: you have no webbrowser? |
| 15:15.55 | ttz | valdyn: I need the raw email, I can't find it on Debian's website |
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| 15:16.12 | valdyn | ttz: mailing lists archives are there too |
| 15:16.19 | RichiH | ttz: you can download everything from all mailing lists as mbox |
| 15:16.28 | XTR | Anybody know of a fast apt mirror? |
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| 15:16.42 | asg | XTR: the closest one to you (/msg dpkg mirrors) |
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| 15:16.46 | valdyn | XTR: fast mirrors are the ones close to you |
| 15:16.51 | XTR | Kew. Thanks. |
| 15:16.57 | ttz | RichiH: could you point me out the URL, please. I wasn't able to find it myself |
| 15:17.01 | yang | chealer: en_US.ISO-8859-1... done |
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| 15:17.26 | jethro | ttz: http://lists.debian.org/ |
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| 15:18.19 | ttz | jethro: I was able to find this myself thanks, but I can't find the said mbox format |
| 15:18.26 | chealer | yang, that didn't solve your problem? |
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| 15:18.33 | yang | chealer: yes, thanks |
| 15:18.36 | jethro | ttz: duh my bad :) |
| 15:18.57 | chealer | yang, cool. I never solved my similar problem when I had it |
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| 15:20.21 | karma1 | I spoke to someone before about the source.list file and they gave me a 2 lines to add in there("deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" and "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free"), and I'm assuming that was to add a mirror? Anyways, I was only getting 20-25kb/s when downloading all the packages during a netinst...was this an issue with the mirror? |
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| 15:21.10 | valdyn | karma1: that is an issue somewhere between your box and the mirror. |
| 15:21.41 | karma1 | was than a mirror he had me add to the source.list? |
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| 15:21.47 | Hecate | streuner: It seems I got the 'openbox' windows manager |
| 15:21.48 | ttz | I've looked through lists.debian.org again and I wasn't able to find the mbox format, could someone simply either bounce me one advisory or point me the mbox format, please |
| 15:21.49 | Dracka | how did I again set an 192.168 ip to my eth1? :/ I forgot it. |
| 15:21.56 | resiak | Dracka: man interfaces |
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| 15:22.04 | resiak | Dracka: Also man ifconfig |
| 15:22.07 | Dracka | resiak, oki |
| 15:22.12 | valdyn | karma1: was it even downloading from that mirror? |
| 15:22.32 | karma1 | valdyn: it appeared to be, yea |
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| 15:22.51 | RichiH | ttz: i can't find it myself, atm.. :( |
| 15:22.57 | valdyn | karma1: so try one close to you, might be better. |
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| 15:23.04 | RichiH | ttz: you found http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2005/threads.html i assume? |
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| 15:23.16 | ttz | RichiH: you assumption is correct :) |
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| 15:24.15 | ttz | RichiH: in case you are subscribed to this mailing-list, could you bounce me an advisory, please (tataz@docisland.org) ? |
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| 15:24.49 | Hecate | Starting X (using Xwin.exe) from a remote computer using Cygwin, the screens gets grey and stuck there. The log file says it can't find the font "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/" |
| 15:25.07 | karma1 | valdyn: so I would just to the same thing with the source.list file but add for example: "deb ftp://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ stable main contrib non-free"? |
| 15:25.09 | RichiH | ttz: nope, sorry |
| 15:25.23 | ttz | RichiH: thanks anyway |
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| 15:26.22 | RichiH | np |
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| 15:26.36 | ttz | there are currently 601 users on this channel, I bet there are a least one person who is subscribed to the Debian security announce mailing-list ? |
| 15:26.58 | ttz | s/are/is/ btw |
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| 15:27.01 | stew | ttz: everyone should be |
| 15:27.08 | ttz | stew: are you ? ;) |
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| 15:27.13 | valdyn | karma1: yea, but dont just keep adding more stuff, comment out those mirrors that you dont want to use |
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| 15:27.18 | stew | ttz: yes, are you? |
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| 15:27.39 | karma1 | valdyn: yup i know, thanks again ;) |
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| 15:28.13 | ttz | stew: no, I'm just getting these mails through the digest messages from the Full-Disclosure mailing-list. That's why I'm asking for a bounce of a Debian advisory (I'm testing a procmail script) |
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| 15:28.21 | stew | ttz: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
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| 15:28.33 | antgel | Hecate: you didn't tell us before that you were using cygwin. this is #debian. |
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| 15:28.35 | jethro | stew: that's not the same as raw email |
| 15:28.46 | ttz | stew: as I stated above, I need the raw email and Debian does provide the raw mbox format unfortunately |
| 15:28.54 | ttz | s/does/does not/ |
| 15:29.14 | bubulle | ttz: bounce done |
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| 15:29.26 | Hecate | antgel: #cygwin is a dead channel nobody reply |
| 15:29.38 | ttz | bubulle: THANK YOU you rock !! |
| 15:29.41 | valdyn | ttz: you can filter those mails via: "X-Mailing-List: <debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org>", no need for anyone to bounce it. |
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| 15:30.00 | miag | ttz: thanks for the info. |
| 15:30.05 | jethro | valdyn: that's not what he's doing |
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| 15:30.12 | ttz | valdyn: I'm fed up to argue about why I need a bounce. I just need one |
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| 15:30.18 | jethro | valdyn: he's filtering based on installed packages |
| 15:30.23 | valdyn | jethro: what is he doing? |
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| 15:30.28 | jethro | ^^ |
| 15:30.29 | debianuser | dose nano editor support syntax highlighting ? if not.. is there a clone of it wich dose ? |
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| 15:30.51 | greycat | !listvals syntax hi |
| 15:30.53 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'syntax hi' by value (6): jed ;; mcedit ;; vim ;; pod ;; qotd34 ;; psh. |
| 15:30.56 | greycat | !qotd34 |
| 15:30.56 | dpkg | <voltagex> how can I enable syntax highlighting in nano? |
| 15:31.07 | jethro | heh |
| 15:31.18 | debianuser | good questiom |
| 15:31.18 | debianuser | "_ |
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| 15:32.08 | debianuser | so.. how can i enable it ? |
| 15:32.14 | jethro | debianuser: you don't |
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| 15:32.29 | debianuser | so there is no syntax highlighting... |
| 15:32.30 | jethro | debianuser: err you can't ther's no highlighting in nano |
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| 15:32.36 | johnga1t | any idea why "34 11 * * * root mkdir /tmp/crontabworks" wouldn't do anything in my crontab ? |
| 15:32.48 | johnga1t | (mkdir is in PATH set in crontab) |
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| 15:33.18 | greycat | johnga1t: "my crontab" being /etc/crontab, or "crontab -e"? |
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| 15:33.35 | johnga1t | (sorry, my as in "on my machine") |
| 15:33.45 | johnga1t | greycat: so /etc/crontab |
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| 15:34.06 | bonez41 | i get this error from CUPS when trying to print...how would I resolve this? > "Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL" Device URI: smb://SANCHIRO/SETH/HP |
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| 15:35.51 | johnga1t | greycat: interestingly, /bin/mkdir does seem to work |
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| 15:36.56 | mkl1525 | Hi, we've replication working for some time. Now our binary logs grew and are 27GB atm - is there any way to get our pre-replication backup to the current state of the db so that I can delete the old binary logs? I can't take down the mysql atm. |
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| 15:38.07 | debianuser | at http://www.nano-editor.org/overview.html it says that # Color syntax highlighting. is a feature.. so.. nano has syntax highlight.. but how do i enable it ? |
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| 15:38.50 | maxi | hi |
| 15:39.04 | greycat | you're joking. |
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| 15:39.30 | johnga1t | greycat: am i being a jackass or something? |
| 15:39.43 | RichiH | greycat: he is not |
| 15:39.46 | greycat | hahahaha... I love the bottom of their main page |
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| 15:40.05 | debianuser | yeah.. it's nice |
| 15:40.16 | maxi | can anyone help me .. i have a poblem with my bash-script |
| 15:40.19 | RichiH | greycat: if they had Access Keys tags on their site, it would be even better |
| 15:40.27 | RichiH | you activate thsoe with ctrl, in konqueror |
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| 15:40.39 | debianuser | maxi: iget lot of help in #bash with my scripts |
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| 15:41.10 | greycat | maxi: is it covered in the FAQ? |
| 15:41.27 | greycat | is it covered in the #bash FAQ that's linked from the #debian FAQ's shell scripting page? |
| 15:41.42 | maxi | i don't think so ... |
| 15:41.50 | greycat | !ask |
| 15:41.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 15:44.08 | timello | hey guys... to use ssh2 on sarge I have to use a backport? |
| 15:44.17 | maxi | ok :) .. i habe a problem with building variables in my not yet finischt bash script ....here is an example |
| 15:44.25 | maxi | a="c" |
| 15:44.25 | maxi | testc="right" |
| 15:44.25 | maxi | hallo=$(test$a) |
| 15:44.25 | maxi | echo=$hallo |
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| 15:44.49 | maxi | re |
| 15:44.58 | ircdevil | timello: no |
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| 15:45.31 | ludde | how do i install 2.6.13 in debian? |
| 15:45.33 | debianuser | greycat: any luck finding out what's with the syntax highlighting in nano ? |
| 15:45.44 | Virtual | if I have let's say a cable modem connection entering into eth2 and one cable modem entering into eth3 can I POSTROUTE both connections to eth1 which is local network so the ones from local network can use both connections together? |
| 15:45.49 | nse | Is the package gnome-keyring essential for the system to work? apt-get remove it wants to remove 216MB of packages. |
| 15:45.50 | maxi | the aim is to show what is written in the variable restc .... |
| 15:45.57 | greycat | debianuser: if I cared, I would probably click on that "Documentation" link at the bottom of the page. |
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| 15:46.02 | ludde | is 2.6.8 the latest linux version available in debian? |
| 15:46.06 | litage | i'm creating a partial local deb mirror. i've copied sarge dvd 1 into the mirror/pool, but when i run debmirror, it wants to download all of the pkgs that i already have. how can i tell debmirror to only pull pkgs that i don't have? |
| 15:46.14 | greycat | ludde: only in sarge. not in debian overall. |
| 15:46.21 | IRCMonkey | can anyone help me to install this for nvidea |
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| 15:46.23 | debianuser | greycat: done that... dosen't say how to enable it... |
| 15:46.29 | greycat | "this"? |
| 15:46.33 | ludde | greycat: i thought sarge was the latest debian? |
| 15:46.36 | IRCMonkey | debian 3.1 |
| 15:46.38 | IRCMonkey | sarge |
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| 15:46.42 | timello | ircdevil, which is the package, do you know? apt-cache ssh2 seems not returns nothing related |
| 15:46.44 | greycat | !faq IRCMonkey |
| 15:46.44 | IRCMonkey | whatever |
| 15:46.44 | asg | ludde: latest stable release |
| 15:46.45 | dpkg | IRCMonkey: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:46.47 | alain__ | suck me please |
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| 15:46.55 | IRCMonkey | thanks |
| 15:46.57 | ludde | asg: how do i update my debian to unstable? |
| 15:46.57 | alain__ | windows rox linux sux |
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| 15:47.05 | asg | ludde: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 15:47.10 | theD3viL | alain__, ql |
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| 15:47.17 | IRCMonkey | to work with nvidea |
| 15:47.23 | IRCMonkey | seriously |
| 15:47.26 | asg | !nvidia one-liner |
| 15:47.27 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 15:47.30 | IRCMonkey | read between lines |
| 15:47.33 | asg | IRCMonkey: and our FAQ is serious |
| 15:47.37 | timello | ircdevil, maybe I missing something in my sources.list? |
| 15:47.46 | greycat | silly me, I thought one would install nvidia drivers "for Debian". |
| 15:47.51 | greycat | Debian being the outer and more important layer. |
| 15:47.54 | nse | Hello everybody, Is the package gnome-keyring essential for the system to work? apt-get remove it wants to remove 216MB of packages. |
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| 15:48.47 | theD3viL | how can i remove all the packages which come with some program (etc. amarok), and i remove amarok but programs stay... HOW CAN I REMOVE IT? ;) |
| 15:48.58 | ludde | so it's a bad idea to use "sid" on a server, then? |
| 15:49.00 | ludde | how bad idea is it? |
| 15:49.05 | resiak | nse: Are you using aptitude? |
| 15:49.06 | asg | theD3viL: deborphan, debfoster |
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| 15:49.22 | maja | how should i update my kernel again ? |
| 15:49.25 | theD3viL | asg, go to test ;) |
| 15:49.28 | asg | ludde: very bad unless you are really vigilant and know what you are doing and even then ... |
| 15:49.36 | nse | resiak: No. I'm using a terminal window and apt-get. |
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| 15:49.59 | ttz | bye |
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| 15:50.15 | theD3viL | asg, what is different in deborphan and debfoster? |
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| 15:50.31 | ludde | 2.6.8 is over a year old, though |
| 15:50.46 | asg | theD3viL: the latter works out of the box, the former works if you had it installed before installing things. |
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| 15:50.53 | asg | ludde: security fixes are backported |
| 15:51.07 | ludde | yeah but still... |
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| 15:51.20 | greycat | ludde: if you don't want 2.6.8 you may download a third-party kernel image, or build your own, or upgrade to testing |
| 15:51.31 | ludde | ah, testing is better than sid? |
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| 15:51.41 | resiak | nse: Then lots of things depend on it! |
| 15:51.44 | theD3viL | asg, so i must install deborphan ;) |
| 15:51.49 | asg | ludde: personally, the further along in the 2.6 tree we get, the more unstable it becomes. |
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| 15:51.55 | asg | theD3viL: it's a start |
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| 15:52.59 | ludde | how do I upgrade to testing? my sources.list contains testing already |
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| 15:53.20 | theD3viL | ludde, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:53.27 | GooZ | apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade and pray |
| 15:53.33 | pinucset | pray a lot :D |
| 15:53.34 | GooZ | :) |
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| 15:54.08 | ludde | okay running thatnow. |
| 15:54.25 | theD3viL | asg, deborphan find some packages... so i apt-get remove theese packages? |
| 15:54.31 | nse | resiak: They shouldn't gnome-keyring do not seem to be a very important package. My problem is that when I changed the root's password the programs launched with gksu do not launch anymore. It asks for the password, I give it, then it asks again, and again, it goes forever. |
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| 15:54.55 | resiak | nse: I don't know |
| 15:54.55 | asg | theD3viL: yes, then run it again until it doesn't find any anymore |
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| 15:55.12 | valdyn | nse: checked the bts? |
| 15:55.15 | nse | resiak: The point is that instead of appearing the normal gksu windows appears something called gnome-keyring, so it would be a good idea to remove it. |
| 15:55.17 | theD3viL | asg, k, tnx.. |
| 15:55.37 | candlelight | i read in tldp HOWTO that console scrolling cannot be increased, is that so? any workaround, without using less/more ? |
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| 15:55.58 | greycat | candlelight: screen |
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| 15:56.05 | nse | valdyn: No, I'm not used to doing this. |
| 15:56.07 | greycat | !screen++ |
| 15:56.12 | asg | !hug screen |
| 15:56.13 | ludde | is it possible that my computer will crash randomly with "testing" ? |
| 15:56.26 | greycat | ludde: quite unlikely |
| 15:57.18 | resiak | nse: No, actually, that's not asking for the root password. That's gnome-keyring asking for your keyring password. Read its help. |
| 15:57.28 | theD3viL | asg, than i need only deborphan .. ? |
| 15:57.29 | valdyn | ludde: you could just use a testing kernel, you dont need to upgrade more than that. |
| 15:57.51 | ludde | hmm |
| 15:58.01 | ludde | I think I just upgraded everything, I ran dist-upgrade |
| 15:58.01 | asg | theD3viL: there may be packages that it misses but it works well enough for me. |
| 15:58.15 | asg | ludde: which is what 'dist-upgrade' does of course |
| 15:58.37 | pinucset | this updates all the ubuntu :D |
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| 15:58.48 | pinucset | dist-upgrade updates all the distribution :D |
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| 15:59.08 | theD3viL | asg, and u using only deborphan ? |
| 15:59.40 | asg | theD3viL: yes but I periodically audit 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l' for likely removal candidates (at least on workstations.) Servers all have known packages. |
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| 15:59.47 | valdyn | theD3viL: deborphan is obviously a hack for its purpose, aptitude or debfoster can do it cleanly |
| 16:00.07 | nse | resiak: Yes! Sounds to be the truth. |
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| 16:00.27 | RichiH | nice |
| 16:00.30 | ludde | hmm weird, I upgraded to testing, but apt-cache search kernel-source still says 2.6.8 |
| 16:00.34 | theD3viL | asg, kk |
| 16:00.40 | resiak | nse: Yes, yes it is! So reset your keyring password! |
| 16:00.52 | resiak | nse: The point of the keyring is to cache your root password for a short time |
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| 16:00.58 | valdyn | ludde: that upgrade went a little to quick for it to have happened really |
| 16:01.05 | RichiH | with the combined fast kline of the #freenode and #debian spambots, it seems UdontKnow and /me got the IPs they join from atm :) |
| 16:01.13 | ludde | valdyn: it did a lot of stuff, though |
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| 16:01.21 | asg | RichiH: :) |
| 16:01.24 | RichiH | asg: :) |
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| 16:01.36 | theD3viL | valdyn, what is "nasty" in debrphan' |
| 16:01.52 | candlelight | greycat n all, cool, I should hang around more often, thanks alot :) |
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| 16:02.09 | valdyn | theD3viL: its not nasty, its just not able to guess what you want and what not, it can only remove packages that have no other package installed that depends on it. |
| 16:02.34 | theD3viL | valdyn, and what can i do with apitude? |
| 16:02.52 | nse | resiak: Yes it is. But, where is the best place to read how to do this? |
| 16:02.59 | RichiH | debianuser: instead of giving greycat the link to the main page, you could just have opened http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v1.2/faq.html |
| 16:03.09 | resiak | nse: The Gnome docs! |
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| 16:03.13 | valdyn | theD3viL: i dont use it, i cant tell you details about it, i tried debfoster, it lets you specify which packages are only pulled by dependencies and which packages you really want to have and keep. |
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| 16:03.39 | debianuser | RichiH: i resolved the problem now... foudned the php syntax highlight script on gentoo.org... unfornetly there is no bash highlighting :( |
| 16:03.43 | theD3viL | valdyn, but you must install it befor you install a program |
| 16:03.44 | nse | resiak: And more, I actually think it'll be a good idea to cache my password for a shor time. This package should be removable. |
| 16:03.51 | Dracka | Is it possible to use aptitude and apt-get together? or choose one or them? |
| 16:03.54 | resiak | nse: You can turn it off |
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| 16:04.11 | valdyn | theD3viL: yea, debfoster works only on packages installed with debfoster |
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| 16:04.43 | asg | debianuser: /usr/share/doc/nano/examples/* (uncomment the syntax highlighting bits if you haven't already) |
| 16:04.57 | nse | resiak: How to turn it off? |
| 16:04.58 | valdyn | Dracka: its possible, but better to stick to one, aptitude can easily do unexpected stuff if you alternate with apt-get |
| 16:05.12 | asg | greycat: yeah, perhaps we could s/nano/pico/? |
| 16:05.17 | resiak | nse: I DO NOT KNOW!!! |
| 16:05.20 | ludde | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration |
| 16:05.21 | greycat | asg: that's cheating. |
| 16:05.26 | greycat | it has to be an actual quote. |
| 16:05.26 | asg | greycat: yeah, I know |
| 16:05.31 | resiak | nse: Ur, sorry, hang on |
| 16:05.33 | debianuser | asg: i made it to work with php highlight... but bash highlighting dosen't work :( |
| 16:05.36 | asg | greycat: time to retire it then |
| 16:05.38 | ludde | what's up with tht |
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| 16:05.47 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx is 34 |
| 16:05.47 | dpkg | ...but qotdx is already something else... |
| 16:05.55 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/none/34/ |
| 16:05.56 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 16:06.11 | nse | resiak: Ok, I'll learn it. |
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| 16:06.29 | indigo | can anyone please tell me where / if i can get this "initrd cramfs patch" for linux 2.6.13? |
| 16:06.39 | greycat | indigo: ask a linux channel |
| 16:06.43 | valdyn | ludde: google |
| 16:06.43 | resiak | nse: I'm looing for my own sake now :) |
| 16:06.45 | valdyn | ops |
| 16:06.47 | valdyn | indigo: google |
| 16:06.53 | indigo | valdyn: yes, i have googled it |
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| 16:07.08 | valdyn | !lkml |
| 16:07.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there, and ALSO read -all- messages from the archives before posting.) : http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 16:07.13 | valdyn | indigo: ^^^ |
| 16:07.13 | ludde | valdyn: i tried, but i found no answer |
| 16:07.14 | Dracka | valdyn, oops.. :P I just used apt-get to upgrade the system to unstable :/ |
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| 16:07.32 | valdyn | !lose Dracka |
| 16:07.33 | dpkg | Dracka: You Lose. |
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| 16:08.20 | Dracka | valdyn, too bad |
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| 16:08.48 | Dracka | valdyn, any way to recover? |
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| 16:09.02 | valdyn | harsh harsh: "read -all- messages from the archives" |
| 16:09.05 | row | how come php5 in the unstable branch only installs libs and configs for apache2 or is it just some messed up naming sceme? |
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| 16:09.21 | valdyn | Dracka: restore from backup |
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| 16:09.35 | Dracka | valdyn, I don't have a backup |
| 16:09.44 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 16:09.44 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 16:09.49 | valdyn | !unix lessons |
| 16:09.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you ... |
| 16:10.10 | asg | row: because you probably didn't install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 16:10.18 | ludde | how do I build the kernel in debian? I get lots of weird errors, think it's related to gcc 4 |
| 16:10.20 | Dracka | me wonders why is there apt-get if it's not compatible with aptitude |
| 16:10.25 | Dracka | I will use apt-get only then.. |
| 16:10.41 | row | asg: er no I said why does it only install for apache2 I ran apt-get install with apache 1.3 stuff and php5 yet it only installed apache2 modules..... |
| 16:10.50 | rouns | only prob with apt-get usally the packets arn't the latest |
| 16:11.11 | judofred | does anyone know when gnome 2.12 comes to unstable |
| 16:11.12 | RichiH | debianuser: have you ever considered using a real editor? |
| 16:11.19 | Dracka | rouns, well that's not a huge problem for me, so it's ok |
| 16:11.20 | row | rouns: thats due to stable/testing/unstable branches...... look at backports if must run stable yet uptodate system |
| 16:11.29 | rouns | =] |
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| 16:12.47 | Dracka | Is there a manual for shorewall+webmin, I can't find one with google, or in manpages |
| 16:12.48 | ludde | which is the latest kernel version available in "testing" ? |
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| 16:13.09 | greycat | ludde: apt-cache search; packages.debian.org |
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| 16:13.26 | indigo | valdyn: sorry but i still can't find the patch; only posts related to it. Is there some way to search for just patches? |
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| 16:13.48 | asg | row: something in the dependancies. Check the bts. |
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| 16:14.01 | ttick | how do I get my wireless card to only connect to my AP with a static IP if it's available, but any EESID/AP and dynamic IP if it isn't? |
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| 16:14.10 | ludde | greycat: 2.6.8 |
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| 16:14.36 | pinucset | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.52 | asg | pinucset: a new kernel |
| 16:14.53 | indigo | pinucset: that is the linux kernel |
| 16:15.02 | pinucset | i have to install it? :) |
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| 16:15.14 | indigo | pinucset: it probably is a good idea |
| 16:15.18 | pinucset | ok! |
| 16:15.19 | pinucset | thanks! |
| 16:15.20 | pinucset | :) |
| 16:15.35 | Dracka | it is the system base |
| 16:15.40 | indigo | pinucset: also, you can do "apt-cache show <package name>" for more information on a package |
| 16:15.56 | Dracka | good to keep it up to date to get the best performance and features |
| 16:16.02 | indigo | pinucset: or use synaptic |
| 16:16.12 | ludde | how do I download the sid version of the kernel with apt-get? |
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| 16:16.41 | ttick | or rather, where are the configuration files for wireless cards and such in /etc ? |
| 16:16.49 | asg | ludde: is there any reason that 2.6.8 doesn't work for you? |
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| 16:17.11 | ludde | asg: I get problems when compiling, because of gcc4 |
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| 16:17.26 | asg | ludde: why are you compiling? use the kernel image package |
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| 16:17.31 | ludde | oh |
| 16:17.55 | asg | ludde: never compile a kernel unless you have to. |
| 16:18.08 | ludde | i didn't know there was a binary version |
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| 16:18.29 | asg | ludde: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install one from the list that fits your proc type, etc.) |
| 16:18.47 | FlopsyPete | hi. can anyone point me to anything that explains the benefits of x.org over xfree86 please? (I know the legal reasons) |
| 16:19.15 | asg | FlopsyPete: x.org is being developed, xfree86 is essentially dead (due to licensing reasons) |
| 16:19.42 | indigo | FlopsyPete: also, it has a cooler name |
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| 16:20.19 | FlopsyPete | asg: yeah I know, I was wondering what work had been done thus far though, what new features are there currently over xfree86? |
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| 16:20.52 | asg | FlopsyPete: better drivers, snappy eye-candy providing tweaks, etc. Talk to gravity in #debian-x for the skinny. |
| 16:20.55 | leopold | ive got a prob with grup: i want it to boot my sec harddisc os win prim slave....doesnt work...settings seem to be fine....i know, that win doesnt like being slave, so i could save Grup to the win harddisc make it master and the ubuntu hardisc slave....but How can I save the grub menu.lst to windows? |
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| 16:21.09 | paulswm | But it sucks pretty much the same as xfree86, that being one of the benefits of X generally |
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| 16:21.46 | FlopsyPete | thanks |
| 16:21.52 | leopold | can anyone help me? |
| 16:22.08 | bomb | i just got rid of xorg and went back to xfree86 |
| 16:22.08 | asg | leopold: we are still trying to figure out wtf you said |
| 16:22.14 | leopold | hehe |
| 16:22.22 | bomb | xorg locked up my box so hardcore i couldn't even use the power button to shut down |
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| 16:22.37 | leopold | asg: which part didnt u get? |
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| 16:22.47 | asg | leopold: the bit between ^ and $ |
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| 16:22.58 | leopold | ur not serious |
| 16:23.12 | leopold | ive got a simple pissing me off problem: |
| 16:23.24 | greycat | why would you use proprietary binary drivers with xorg? |
| 16:23.32 | greycat | "nvidia poisoning". gotta be. |
| 16:23.47 | leopold | i want a bootloader which gives me the choice to chosse between my slave harddisk os winxp and my master harddisk os ubuntu |
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| 16:24.28 | leopold | win doesnt like to be slave so it doesnt work |
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| 16:24.44 | asg | leopold: then use grub-install to install grub on the windows MBR |
| 16:25.09 | greycat | leopold: tell us, please, how your question is related to Debian. |
| 16:25.10 | leopold | whats grub-install |
| 16:25.28 | asg | leopold: apropos grub-install |
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| 16:25.50 | leopold | well #debian guys just seem to be more competent then #ubuntu ppls |
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| 16:26.06 | xim | hi, anyone would like to suggest a simple replacement for the former /etc/init.d/iptables? |
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| 16:26.15 | asg | xim: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
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| 16:26.42 | xim | thanks |
| 16:27.02 | greycat | I *might* have let him stay if he hadn't been talking like a 13 year old with attention deficit disorder. |
| 16:27.08 | axioms | question: i'm recompiled my kernel and tried to bzdisk it but its too big to fit on a floppy, how can i make a bootable usb flashdisk? |
| 16:27.15 | ludde | asg: I need mppe support in my kernel, that means i need to build it manuallt? |
| 16:27.17 | ludde | manually |
| 16:28.54 | hid3 | Is there any way to close ssh session for a user if he hasn't typed anything in last X minutes? (note: I'm not talking about 'zombie' users, who are hanging in ssh because of connection failures and etc) |
| 16:28.57 | indigo | axioms: i think there is a howto for that on tldp.org |
| 16:29.28 | cockroach | hid3: set TMOUT in /etc/profile |
| 16:30.03 | hid3 | thanks |
| 16:30.05 | axioms | thanks |
| 16:30.06 | greycat | note that TMOUT does not answer his literal question, but it might be an acceptable substitute under certain strictly defined conditions |
| 16:30.16 | cockroach | you're welcome. |
| 16:31.31 | asg | ludde: then grab a tarball from kernel.org or a kernel-source packages, add your patches and /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:32.00 | ludde | hmm maybe i should install freebsd instead |
| 16:32.07 | ludde | seems easier? |
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| 16:32.27 | asg | !hug GENERIC |
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| 16:32.40 | pjz | is there still a max size to linux swap partitions? |
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| 16:32.57 | amphi | pjz: 2GB IIRC |
| 16:33.10 | greycat | in linux 2.0 it's 128 MB |
| 16:33.19 | pjz | greycat: sweet, thanks |
| 16:33.25 | asg | greycat: was that aggregate or just for a single swap? |
| 16:33.36 | greycat | and linux 2.0 still being considered a stable, maintained series -- it's "still a limit", yes. |
| 16:33.46 | greycat | single partition, you can have lots of 'em |
| 16:33.47 | pjz | okay, let me rephrase |
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| 16:34.18 | paulswm | pjz: I'm using 2 x 1GB swap partitions with no problem with 2.6, also used them with 2.4 |
| 16:34.20 | pjz | linux 2.6.10 w/8GB of ram how many and what size swap partitions do I need to make 16GB of swap? |
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| 16:34.31 | greycat | of course, 2.0 kernels are not supported in any current versions of debian. |
| 16:34.47 | asg | pjz: are you sure you need 16G of swap? |
| 16:34.51 | pjz | can I do 1x16GB swap partition? |
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| 16:35.04 | pjz | asg: 2x RAM is my usual rule of thumb |
| 16:35.07 | paulswm | You might if you do a lot of stuff in /tmp and mount tmpfs on /tmp |
| 16:35.10 | amphi | pjz: no, 8 x 2GB I think, although that seems excessive |
| 16:35.20 | greycat | pjz: your thumb has a glob of shit on the end of it. stop sucking it. |
| 16:35.20 | asg | pjz: not with 8G of memory it isn't unless you have special needs |
| 16:35.31 | greycat | asg: oh, he clearly has 'special needs' |
| 16:35.45 | Thaiger | I know that the hosts file can be used to force a certain ip to resolve to a domain and resolv.conf can be used to make resolves append a certain domain, but how do I force a certain host name (like foo) to resolve to foo.bar |
| 16:35.53 | pjz | greycat: ?? did I insult you without noticing or something? |
| 16:36.09 | asg | pjz: #debian has a sense of humor |
| 16:36.40 | greycat | pjz: blindly parroting a stupid rule of thumb that hasn't been valid since 1994? no, not insulting, just *excessively* dumb. |
| 16:36.54 | pjz | greycat: well, no one's told me otherwise |
| 16:37.01 | greycat | now someone has. |
| 16:37.19 | pjz | greycat: okay, so how much swap should a system have, then? |
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| 16:37.23 | Robot101 | pjz: there's no need to do 2xRAM |
| 16:37.31 | greycat | creating a 24 GB of virtual memory just because someone's Pentium 75 once needed "2x as much swap as I have RAM" is idiotic. |
| 16:37.36 | pjz | greycat: does linux still barf if it has less swap than RAM? |
| 16:37.48 | pjz | greycat: b/c that used to be true too |
| 16:37.50 | greycat | it NEVER did. |
| 16:37.57 | Robot101 | pjz: you need enough swap so that RAM+swap is as big as the virtual memory you need :P |
| 16:38.01 | greycat | unless you count the unstable 2.4.1 through 2.4.9 kernels |
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| 16:38.11 | greycat | but nobody in their right MIND would have used a 2.4.[1-9] kernel. |
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| 16:38.21 | Robot101 | pjz: the only time where swap needs to be greater than RAM now is for swsusp |
| 16:38.36 | pjz | Robot101: ah, okay |
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| 16:39.00 | Robot101 | and even then |
| 16:39.10 | Robot101 | much of your ram can be cache and so it doesn't need to go into the swap |
| 16:39.16 | asg | Robot101: only 20% more or so though to be safe |
| 16:39.19 | MaxPower | hey, is there anyway to bring up the KDE start settings again (like when u start kde for the first time) in debian please? |
| 16:39.23 | pjz | well, I jsut got kswapd0: page allocation failure. order:0, mode:0x50 |
| 16:39.34 | pjz | followed by a nice kernel traceback |
| 16:39.42 | Robot101 | if you have 8GB of RAM, I doubt you need any swap unless you want more than 8GB of apps running.... |
| 16:40.11 | pjz | Robot101: I've got a user who's mmaping well over that |
| 16:40.33 | Anthro | MaxPower: If you don't like any of your settings or app data you can just delete ~/.kde* |
| 16:40.39 | Robot101 | mmapped memory doesn't use VM unless it's used |
| 16:40.46 | asg | antgel: nice post on d-u |
| 16:40.48 | pjz | Robot101: well, he then goes thru and reads most of it |
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| 16:41.07 | Robot101 | mapped off disk? |
| 16:41.08 | pjz | Robot101: he also creates a ton of data in ram |
| 16:41.13 | MaxPower | Anthro, i do but, i wanna try it with the windows n mac settings not just the standard kde settings |
| 16:41.16 | pjz | Robot101: off of nfs |
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| 16:41.58 | pjz | so anyway, I'm going to see if going to 16GB of swap solves this problem.. it didn't show up until we went from 4GB to 8GB of RAM |
| 16:42.00 | Anthro | MaxPower: So all of those settings can be found in the KDE control center. They may not be named as Windows or Mac, but whatever you want can be set there. |
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| 16:42.15 | MaxPower | Anthro cheers :D |
| 16:42.16 | Robot101 | I don't think the VFS cache hits swap anyway... |
| 16:42.17 | pjz | but when we did taht we didn't add extra swap space |
| 16:42.54 | greycat | WHAT problem? there is NO problem mentioned in that /lastlog AT ALL. |
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| 16:43.22 | greycat | oh... there's a kswapd0: kernel message half way in. |
| 16:43.27 | Robot101 | greycat: you need to chill :) |
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| 16:43.56 | coolball | is the kernel v2.6 ok on Debian 3.1? |
| 16:44.00 | greycat | coolball: yes |
| 16:44.01 | asg | coolball: yes |
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| 16:44.50 | moeen | what can I do to have Gnome 2.10 in debian Sarge ? |
| 16:44.59 | greycat | Robot101: If I were getting a kernel error that actually caused visible symptoms beyond a scary message in the logs or dmesg, the *first* thing I would do would be google it. The *second* thing I'd do, assuming google didn't answer my needs, would be to MENTION THAT MESSAGE as soon as I asked for help. Not babble on about maximum swap partition sizes. |
| 16:45.00 | asg | moeen: backports.org |
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| 16:45.42 | greycat | of course, that being a kernel error message, I'd also be sure to mention what kernel it's from. |
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| 16:46.06 | pjz | greycat: 2.6.10 |
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| 16:46.25 | Dracka | where is aptitudes sources file? |
| 16:46.47 | pjz | which I think I did mentin, actually |
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| 16:46.55 | pjz | in the context of asking how to add swap |
| 16:47.01 | greycat | funny, isn't it... all the google hits on his error message mention either 2.5 or 2.6 |
| 16:47.01 | asg | Dracka: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:47.08 | Zap-W | hey |
| 16:47.09 | Zap-W | what does Optional System hardware monitoring. Optional chassis intrusion detect, mean? does it have hardware monitor or not? |
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| 16:47.21 | Dracka | asg, so it uses the same sources as apt-get ? |
| 16:47.21 | pjz | see, I was thinking this was due to lack of swap. hence my Q about how to increase it |
| 16:47.26 | asg | Dracka: yes |
| 16:47.29 | Dracka | ok |
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| 16:47.45 | asg | Zap-W: optional == it does if you buy it, otherwise no |
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| 16:48.07 | Zap-W | like an addon card? |
| 16:48.32 | asg | Zap-W: I don't know, there is no context to your question. You might be talking about refrigerators for all I know. |
| 16:48.34 | indigo | well, i have searched google, i have searched lkml, i have searched inside linux-source debs, and i can't find "the initrd cramfs patch". My problem is that i need a kernel with "the realtime-preempt" patch, but i can't get it to apply against the debian sources, so i'm trying to get just the initrd patch so i can use make-kpkg with otherwise pristine 2.6.13 sources. anyone know where i can find this initrd patch? |
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| 16:48.46 | Zap-W | asg: heh |
| 16:49.10 | Zap-W | asg: msi 6119 classic 440bx mobo |
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| 16:49.43 | takatumi | indigo: CONFIG_CRAMFS it's an option in 2.6 now, no need for the patch. |
| 16:49.56 | indigo | takatumi: awesome! thanks |
| 16:49.57 | asg | Zap-W: I expect that it's a chip or some functionality that exists but is only enabled if you give them some extra cash. Then, it must be connected to some sensor on the device / case / fridge. |
| 16:50.52 | asg | Zap-W: don't spend any money on it. Buy a dog or a gun instead. |
| 16:51.06 | pjz | Robot101: full /var/log/messages at http://www.place.org/~pj/kernelbug.txt |
| 16:51.21 | stew | wheee! xorg hit etch |
| 16:51.24 | Zap-W | asg: you mean like a hidden secret? |
| 16:51.38 | pjz | Robot101: at first I thought it was an ext3 bug so I switched the most active partitin to XFS, but then it happened again |
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| 16:52.18 | greycat | pjz: http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2003/Dec/1923.html is interesting (3rd or 4th google hit on your message). mentions ext3 and xfs. |
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| 16:52.36 | greycat | including this little tidbit: ``(in 2.4 we do memory allocations differently to better handle failures, but that code was removed...)'' |
| 16:52.54 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 16:52.54 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 16:53.18 | Robot101 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=123801 |
| 16:53.20 | Robot101 | hmm |
| 16:53.23 | greycat | now, remind me again, which debian release has a 2.6.10 kernel? |
| 16:53.49 | greycat | Robot101: I saw that one, too, but where's the resolution? the "I'm working on it..."? |
| 16:53.56 | greycat | the workaround? |
| 16:53.56 | Robot101 | greycat: which debian release supports 8GB of physical RAM? :D |
| 16:54.05 | ubuntutu | ubuntu debian like |
| 16:54.15 | asg | ubuntutu: and is supported in #ubuntu |
| 16:54.25 | greycat | and is NOT supported here. |
| 16:54.45 | ubuntutu | thx i know |
| 16:54.51 | Robot101 | its not called ubuntu debian, it's called ubuntu linux :) |
| 16:54.58 | theD3viL | ubuntutu, debian and ubuntu are 2 different operating systems! |
| 16:54.59 | ubuntutu | right |
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| 16:55.27 | greycat | ah, the other .fr troll was from tiscali.fr not wanadoo. |
| 16:55.38 | asg | they are migrating |
| 16:56.01 | theD3viL | asg, who migrating ? |
| 16:56.09 | asg | theD3viL: nevermind |
| 16:56.10 | greycat | the migrant trolls |
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| 16:57.26 | ericP | i'm looking for mplayer for a pentium M box. mplayer-586 obsolesced mplayer-686 but no mplayer packages seem to be available |
| 16:57.44 | theD3viL | ericP, installmplayer-386 |
| 16:57.51 | ncp | hi people, i just got a new moniter, an wanne have dualview, but not sure where to look, what should i search for on google? |
| 16:58.22 | asg | ncp: is your video card capable of supporting dual monitors? |
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| 16:58.51 | lakcaj | ericP, what's wrong with installing mplayer-586 from marillat? |
| 16:58.58 | ncp | asg: i think so, when i boot up, theres bios logo on both monitors, an works fine i windows |
| 16:59.05 | ericP | theD3viL, i get a "not available" on that |
| 16:59.07 | asg | ncp: /msg dpkg xinerama |
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| 16:59.22 | lakcaj | !tell ericP about marillat |
| 16:59.23 | theD3viL | ericP, why dont you install xine or something? |
| 16:59.24 | asg | !pull eeyore-'s tail |
| 16:59.27 | eeyore- | hey asg |
| 16:59.32 | asg | eeyore-: hiya |
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| 16:59.40 | theD3viL | ericP, or you wanna mplayer-mozilla |
| 16:59.45 | ncp | asg: thanks |
| 17:00.10 | eeyore- | ha, ESR got a job offer from microsoft. :) that made my morning. |
| 17:00.13 | lakcaj | ericP, have you added the marillat repos? If you haven't, then mplayer is not available to you at this time. |
| 17:00.22 | ericP | lakcaj, hadn't seen marillat before. adding now |
| 17:00.24 | theD3viL | lakcaj, hi =) |
| 17:00.32 | lakcaj | ericP, ok |
| 17:00.35 | lakcaj | theD3viL, hello |
| 17:00.57 | asg | oooh, 6.9rc0 is in experimental. I wonder how long before people are asking how to get it. |
| 17:01.01 | lakcaj | ericP, after adding marillat, you will likely also want to install libdvdcss2 and w32codecs |
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| 17:01.56 | greycat | asg: oh great... and you had to go *mention* it. |
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| 17:02.07 | eeyore- | i love his response. "couldn't get a clue if it were pounded into you with baseball bats" :-) now THAT's a non-lame flame mail |
| 17:02.09 | StyXman | hello |
| 17:02.20 | StyXman | anyone uses rootstrap with uml? |
| 17:02.23 | asg | greycat: yeah, I need a lart for that |
| 17:02.31 | StyXman | I can't make it configure the network |
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| 17:02.37 | greycat | !punish asg for mentioning experimental |
| 17:02.48 | StyXman | I get Using rootstrap module network from: |
| 17:02.48 | StyXman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.56 | StyXman | read_output - read of data failed, err = -49 |
| 17:02.56 | StyXman | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted |
| 17:02.57 | rjalex | anyone knows how to fix the dosfsck error message at boot : There are differences between boot sector and its backup. ?????????????????????????? |
| 17:02.58 | ericP | lakcaj, dvd, w32, roger. now waiting on keyserver... |
| 17:03.02 | greycat | !tell rjalex about ep |
| 17:03.30 | rjalex | greycat: sorry ? |
| 17:03.37 | greycat | rjalex: boot DOS (or Windows) and fix it? |
| 17:04.25 | rjalex | greycat: could I just telinit 1 and dosfsck -a /dev/hda1 ? |
| 17:04.32 | ericP | gah! 3 minute ping time to wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net |
| 17:04.39 | ericP | shoot me now! |
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| 17:05.17 | pinucset | somebody knows how to enable 5.1 sound in ubuntu stable? (nforce2)... |
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| 17:05.35 | litage | anyone with apt-proxy experience around? i'm getting the old "[apt_pkg] No Packages files available for _____ backend" error |
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| 17:06.02 | lakcaj | pinucset, #ubuntu |
| 17:06.29 | Lee__ | litage: I just upgraded a couple of sarge boxes and didn't have an apt-proxy problem. Is your error common? |
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| 17:06.41 | StyXman | pinucset: most likely it involves install nvidia's nforce binary drivers... |
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| 17:06.52 | rjalex | I find that the bugs referred by apt-listbugs are almost always out of synch with the packages I actually install ... any expl ? |
| 17:07.07 | Lee__ | pinucset: the users in #ubuntu will know how to do that. |
| 17:07.11 | pinucset | ok, ill try :) (in ubuntu they dont know...) |
| 17:07.16 | pjz | rjalex: no, that won't work b/c its a bootsector problem not a fs problem |
| 17:07.25 | ferris_ | pinucset, the ubuntu wiki has info on this, as well as /join #ubuntu |
| 17:07.27 | rjalex | is apt-listbugs of any REAL use (the concept is fascinating) |
| 17:07.33 | pinucset | ok! |
| 17:07.33 | rjalex | pjz: thanks |
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| 17:07.36 | pinucset | ill see ubuntu wiki |
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| 17:08.15 | litage | Lee__: yes, it was a commonly reported bug, but the maintainers say that they've fixed it for versions >1.9.30 |
| 17:08.21 | rjalex | pjz: of course I do not want any DOS/Windows utility to wipe out my nice MBR which is written by GRUB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:08.36 | Lee__ | rjalex: talk to Microsoft about that. |
| 17:08.37 | litage | Lee__: i'm running 1.9.32 but the error still occurs |
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| 17:08.47 | sombra | j #bash |
| 17:08.56 | pjz | rjalex: then you need to get grub to rewrite the boot sectors for you |
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| 17:09.06 | rjalex | Lee__: my boot sector is written by GRUB ... what does MS have to do ??? |
| 17:09.27 | Lee__ | rjalex: then you're fine if you're not installing Windows |
| 17:09.29 | rjalex | pjz: do you happen to know how can I get GRUB to fix ?? Read man page and info but could not fins |
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| 17:09.49 | orlaqp | Hello everyone |
| 17:10.02 | pjz | rjalex: nope, no idea |
| 17:10.02 | orlaqp | I need some help with Debian and xfree86 |
| 17:10.19 | asg | !tell orlaqp about ask |
| 17:10.23 | norton | I read in "Unix network programming" that unix doesnt support the concept of "records" as disk files. What kind of files are these? how are they stored on disk? |
| 17:10.37 | orlaqp | I have a Intel computer with i845G |
| 17:10.41 | greycat | unix files are just streams of bytes. |
| 17:10.44 | greycat | they have no structure |
| 17:10.50 | rjalex | anyone having my same experiences with apt-listbugs not stating relevant bugs ? |
| 17:10.56 | orlaqp | and I can't get more resolution than 800x600 |
| 17:11.06 | asg | orlaqp: what version of debian are you using? |
| 17:11.22 | streuner | rjalex: did you check BTS? |
| 17:11.37 | norton | greycat: yeah thats what i know. But how does these structures look like, that other systems use? |
| 17:11.47 | orlaqp | debian Sarge |
| 17:12.05 | litage | Lee__: have you ever used apt-proxy-import? |
| 17:12.07 | norton | sorry if its a non-linux quiestion |
| 17:12.16 | norton | *question |
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| 17:12.36 | greycat | norton: they look like COBOL. |
| 17:12.46 | rjalex | streuner: yup ... the problem is that after apt-get install retrieves the packages, apt-listbugs tells me anout bugs but in my experience 9x% of times they are already been fixed so I cannot rely on what is reported by apt_listbugs |
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| 17:12.58 | norton | greycat: ok, will check that out. thanks |
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| 17:13.24 | streuner | rjalex: should be mentioned with apt-listbugs |
| 17:13.55 | streuner | rjalex: those bugs which been fixed are mentioned |
| 17:14.02 | rjalex | What I want to mean is that apt-listbugs is a GREAT idea for us playing :) with unstable but in reality it tells me too many false positives |
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| 17:14.39 | rjalex | I have gotten into the (BAD) habit of ignoring and alsways reply Yes to the "Do you REALLY want to install these packages" ?? :( :( |
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| 17:15.40 | orlaqp | suggestion for Intel i845G & debian Sarge monitor resolution 800x600 |
| 17:15.48 | abrotman | !drxx orlaqp |
| 17:15.49 | dpkg | orlaqp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:15.53 | asg | orlaqp: what is the output of 'lspci | grep VGA' |
| 17:16.14 | abrotman | and choose i810 .. should work |
| 17:16.28 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 17:16.28 | dpkg | somebody said pubtime was time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 17:16.33 | orlaqp | i did that already and does not work |
| 17:16.42 | abrotman | orlaqp: do as asg said |
| 17:16.52 | orlaqp | i tried with Fedora and Mandriva |
| 17:17.02 | abrotman | orlaqp: how many resolutions did you pick? |
| 17:17.12 | rjalex | orlaqp: did you try with Mepis or Knoppix ? |
| 17:17.17 | orlaqp | 1024x768 |
| 17:17.31 | orlaqp | yes I tried with Knoppix too |
| 17:18.03 | asg | orlaqp: try using 'vesa' instead of 'i810' |
| 17:18.03 | streuner | knoppix fall back to VESA if it cannot find a adequat driver... |
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| 17:18.19 | rjalex | orlaqp: with knoppix what did you get ? what is the real size of your panel ? |
| 17:18.28 | orlaqp | i tried already too and nothing work |
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| 17:18.50 | streuner | orlaqp: laptop? |
| 17:18.50 | orlaqp | mi monitor is a Tatung and debian tell me is a compaq ...etc |
| 17:18.56 | abrotman | xdpyinfo should tell you the screen size |
| 17:19.01 | orlaqp | no desktop but the monitor is LCD |
| 17:19.14 | orlaqp | my monitor is 17" |
| 17:19.21 | streuner | orlaqp: ok visit Intel website and search for drivers |
| 17:19.30 | orlaqp | and then?? |
| 17:19.38 | asg | we still haven't seen the lspci output yet |
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| 17:19.53 | orlaqp | I don't know how to compile a video driver |
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| 17:20.06 | orlaqp | could you give me some tips |
| 17:20.17 | asg | orlaqp: what is the output of 'lspci | grep VGA' |
| 17:20.20 | streuner | orlaqp: tell us the output what 'asg' told you |
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| 17:21.04 | orlaqp | yes but I'm not in my computer, now I'm at work |
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| 17:21.14 | orlaqp | but what do you need about lspci |
| 17:21.22 | streuner | orlaqp: chipset |
| 17:21.29 | asg | orlaqp: well, if we know the chipset, we can help you better |
| 17:21.30 | abrotman | orlaqp: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 .. what is the version number? |
| 17:21.41 | streuner | orlaqp: does your i-net connection work? |
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| 17:21.51 | orlaqp | the chipset is i845G |
| 17:22.06 | abrotman | orlaqp: no .. `lspci | grep VGA` .. what EXACTLY does it say |
| 17:22.22 | thingfish | abrotman: he's not at the computer in question. |
| 17:22.23 | streuner | abrotman: he is at work |
| 17:22.31 | orlaqp | I can't tell you right now I don't remember now |
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| 17:22.41 | thingfish | which is of course *the* time to come asking for help. |
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| 17:22.43 | asg | orlaqp: then when you get home, come back and tell us then |
| 17:22.46 | abrotman | ok .. i have 830M .. and the 845 *should* be supported by the i810 driver in sarge |
| 17:22.59 | abrotman | http://xfree86.org/4.4.0/i810.4.html |
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| 17:23.12 | orlaqp | thank you very much for you tiem |
| 17:23.19 | streuner | orlaqp: does your i-net connection work? |
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| 17:23.37 | orlaqp | what is i-net connection? |
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| 17:23.50 | streuner | orlaqp: internet connection |
| 17:24.03 | orlaqp | yessss |
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| 17:24.22 | streuner | orlaqp: ok, install irssi-text and come back when you at home |
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| 17:25.00 | orlaqp | i'm sorry i don't know what irssi-text is? |
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| 17:25.17 | streuner | !info irssi-text sarge |
| 17:25.20 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 807 kB, Installed size: 2456 kB |
| 17:25.36 | drewr | What should the line in sources.list for non-us look like? I'm getting 404 errors now. |
| 17:25.50 | streuner | drewr: /topic |
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| 17:26.17 | drewr | streuner: Heh. Thanks. |
| 17:26.19 | orlaqp | ok |
| 17:26.20 | abrotman | is there a gui irssi? |
| 17:26.29 | streuner | irssi-gtk |
| 17:26.34 | streuner | IIRC |
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| 17:27.08 | ricardoivieitez | How to comple Kernel? Because I compiled it, and it couldn't mount /.... |
| 17:27.22 | abrotman | then don't .. |
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| 17:28.09 | karma1 | I just install debian/gnome and I'm trying to start up x server but keep getting "no symbols found" errors |
| 17:28.29 | cheal | karma1: are you sure these are *errors*? |
| 17:28.34 | Anthro | ricardoivieitez: If you don't know how to fix that, you probably don't have a good reason to compile your own kernel. |
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| 17:28.55 | cheal | !wayc ricardoivieitez |
| 17:28.56 | dpkg | ricardoivieitez: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 17:29.42 | ricardoivieitez | Anthro: I need compile it for get beter USB support |
| 17:29.43 | litage | Lee__: are you there? |
| 17:29.52 | abrotman | ricardoivieitez: say what? |
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| 17:30.00 | abrotman | ricardoivieitez: what's wrong with the kernel you're running ? |
| 17:30.12 | Anthro | ricardoivieitez: You have been misled. |
| 17:30.16 | abrotman | and which kernel are you running ? |
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| 17:30.32 | Anthro | ricardoivieitez: The USB support in Debian stock kernels is complete. |
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| 17:31.00 | karma1 | chea1: it says "Skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o: No symbols found -- and thats not the only line, theres several of them with different paths and all saying no symbols found |
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| 17:31.15 | ricardoivieitez | I cannot mount correctly my pendrive |
| 17:31.16 | Anthro | Is there a factoid (or, better, a factoid smite) for people who try to compile their own kernels without a good reason, much less a clue as to how to go about it? |
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| 17:31.31 | asg | Anthro: custom kernel |
| 17:31.33 | Anthro | ricardoivieitez: You probably don't have the right modules loaded. |
| 17:31.43 | Anthro | !tell ricardoivieitez about custom kernel |
| 17:31.53 | abrotman | !usbstorage |
| 17:31.56 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 17:31.56 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 17:32.29 | loke | whatsup |
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| 17:32.36 | loke | just installed sarge on the work lappy |
| 17:32.42 | loke | working charms |
| 17:32.45 | TwistedEmotions | Question guys... The new apartments that I am moving to provides high speed internet access wirelessly. :P I hate wireless but now I have to go out and buy a wireless card... my question is what is the BEST (Relatively) as far as performance for linux as far as compatibility and flexability? Prism chipsets or other? |
| 17:32.50 | loke | im kinda fedup with fluxbox |
| 17:32.51 | ferris_ | i am installing qt3 and am at a screen that is asking what xserver i would like to have for my default.... free8 or xorg |
| 17:32.57 | Gnea | hrm, why isn't tar respecting the --exclude=/dir option.... |
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| 17:33.01 | ferris_ | which one should i use |
| 17:33.05 | ferris_ | does it matter? |
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| 17:33.18 | tcsetattr | I'm wondering why grep isn't respecting the --directories=read option... |
| 17:33.21 | ferris_ | this is on a sony laptop |
| 17:33.25 | ysothoth | TwistedEmotions: Try the orinoco gold "classic" |
| 17:33.32 | loke | TwistedEmotions orinioco 'b' cards, the orinioco classic gold made by agere |
| 17:33.42 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: there are a bunch, most that don't have native linux support are supported via ndiswrapper |
| 17:33.44 | loke | TwistedEmotions works out the box |
| 17:33.49 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: prism54.org or madwifi.sf.net .. or find one with a driver in the kernel |
| 17:34.23 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: dlink pretty much is in that category, and functions, but you'd probably be better off with a netgear |
| 17:34.24 | TwistedEmotions | KK.. thanks guys... and are those 108Mbps "g" cards... the orinoco cards? |
| 17:34.30 | abrotman | !lart abrotman's brother |
| 17:34.38 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: prism54.org or madwifi.sf.net .. or find one with a driver in the kernel |
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| 17:34.55 | karma1 | I just install debian/gnome and I'm trying to start up x server but keep getting "no symbols found" messages |
| 17:34.56 | loke | TwistedEmotions the orinioco cards are 11mbps 802.11b cars |
| 17:35.00 | ferris_ | TwistedEmotions, I just went through something very similar, i bought a cisco aironet 340 off of ebay and had NO trouble installing debian with |
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| 17:35.10 | ferris_ | it has native support |
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| 17:35.21 | loke | su |
| 17:35.25 | loke | whoops |
| 17:35.27 | Dracka | :o |
| 17:35.27 | streuner | karma1: what videocard do you have? |
| 17:35.34 | ferris_ | but, when i upgraded to 2.8.11 |
| 17:35.35 | asg | karma1: paste the complete output of /var/log/XFree86.0.log (using our paster bot (/msg dpkg paster)) |
| 17:35.44 | valdyn | karma1: these messages are likely no errors ) if theyäre in the X log file. |
| 17:35.45 | karma1 | streuner: ati radeon x800 |
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| 17:35.47 | ferris_ | i am having issues with internet |
| 17:35.55 | ferris_ | i have not worked that out yet |
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| 17:36.00 | streuner | karma1: laptop? |
| 17:36.03 | karma1 | desktop |
| 17:36.06 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: you could get a wired bridge thingie |
| 17:36.18 | Dracka | oh there is 2.8 kernel out? :) |
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| 17:36.19 | streuner | karma1: /msg dpkg ati |
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| 17:36.30 | Dracka | I didn't even know that, lol :) |
| 17:36.34 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: they would .. connect to the wifi network .. and then allow you to cable into the bridge |
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| 17:36.58 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: I was thinking about that... but I dont like the fact that there is another box in the way ;( |
| 17:37.01 | bobnAtWork | anybody here know how to change Xsettings (mouse type, monitor type, etc) post-install? |
| 17:37.02 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: though .. i've never tried it .. so i can't guarantee you sucess |
| 17:37.06 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: pick your poison |
| 17:37.07 | loke | ferris_ whats wrong? |
| 17:37.13 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: I am a speed freak. ;) |
| 17:37.14 | asg | !drxx bobnAtWork |
| 17:37.15 | dpkg | bobnAtWork: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:37.15 | valdyn | !drxx bobnAtWork |
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| 17:37.34 | asg | valdyn: I've got to win once in a whlie |
| 17:37.42 | ansong | does anyone know what the heck /home/ANONYMOUS is? it's owned by nobody:nogroup with 777 permissions... |
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| 17:37.58 | greycat | sound like an ftpd thing |
| 17:37.59 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: they're kinda cool... easy to setup and takes care of net connection for you... had to get one for my mom's Macintosh because I didnt want to pay for the wireless card that is like 200$ or whatever. |
| 17:38.03 | asg | ansong: if you didn't put it there, something likely very bad or something installed by an utter moron. |
| 17:38.04 | ricardoivieitez | Byer. |
| 17:38.14 | ricardoivieitez | I need go gym. |
| 17:38.15 | ferris_ | loke, i am installing qt3 and am at a screen asking me which xserver i would like to have as default.... |
| 17:38.29 | ferris_ | i do not know which is best to use for my sony vaio laptop |
| 17:38.36 | lakcaj | ansong, what does "dpkg -S /home/ANONYMOUS" say? |
| 17:38.39 | valdyn | ferris_: a debian qt3 package asks you that? |
| 17:38.49 | loke | ferris_ prolly just choose the default |
| 17:38.54 | bobnAtWork | Thanks. sure ius hard to find that (unless apropos would have done it. |
| 17:39.06 | ferris_ | during the installation it is asking valdyn.... |
| 17:39.07 | streuner | debian doesn't put any packages into /home |
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| 17:39.24 | ansong | asg, well, i'm almost the utter moron, but i didn't create it. chkrootkit didn't find anything, there's nothing in that folder, and i'm not running an ftpd |
| 17:39.27 | streuner | nor files |
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| 17:39.32 | ansong | lakcaj, i'm running it now |
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| 17:39.44 | ansong | lakcaj, "not found" |
| 17:39.51 | asg | ansong: is this a Debian machine (a real one, not a kanotix or foonotix or whatever thing) |
| 17:39.52 | ferris_ | is xorg better than xfree server? |
| 17:39.52 | valdyn | ferris_: you could answer whatever it is you are using. |
| 17:39.52 | cheal | karma1: that shouldn't be problematic |
| 17:39.57 | lakcaj | ok, just a shot that it would belong to a package |
| 17:39.58 | cheal | ferris_: it should |
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| 17:40.08 | [-] | lut |
| 17:40.09 | karma1 | in the XFree86.0.log it says the fata server error is no screens found |
| 17:40.17 | asg | !no screens |
| 17:40.19 | ansong | asg, yes: testing with just a little unstable mixed in... |
| 17:40.21 | asg | !no screens found |
| 17:40.21 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
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| 17:40.27 | [-] | quel est le dev d'uen souris normal? |
| 17:40.30 | [-] | une |
| 17:40.35 | cheal | !tell [-] about fr |
| 17:40.38 | [-] | ./dev/??? |
| 17:40.47 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: your 108Mb is still faster than your internet connection |
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| 17:40.55 | greycat | [-]: we don't know what souris means |
| 17:40.56 | karma1 | asg: says (EE) No devices detected |
| 17:41.13 | [-] | what's is the normal dev for a normal mouse ? |
| 17:41.15 | resiak | [-]: /dev/input/mice . Allez a #debian-fr |
| 17:41.18 | [-] | p/2 |
| 17:41.19 | greycat | PS/2 mouse = /dev/psaux |
| 17:41.19 | [-] | :) |
| 17:41.20 | asg | [-]: /dev/psaux |
| 17:41.26 | [-] | ok thx bro |
| 17:41.26 | valdyn | karma1: i dont think x800 is supported by your Xorg, you need to '/msg dpkg ati' as you were told |
| 17:41.27 | greycat | USB mouse = /dev/input/mice and load the mousedev module yourself |
| 17:41.28 | [-] | i lovee UUU |
| 17:41.28 | [-] | :) |
| 17:41.38 | [-] | psaux :D |
| 17:41.38 | asg | talking to [-] is like a 'make menuconfig' bad dream |
| 17:41.39 | [-] | okok |
| 17:41.43 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: I dont have a 108Mb... I am looking to guy one.. |
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| 17:41.49 | [-] | thank :) |
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| 17:42.06 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: i know .. but i'm telling you that your 802.11g card will still be faster thany our internet .. even at 54Mb |
| 17:42.13 | asg | karma1: then you are choosing the wrong X driver or the available x drivers don't work with your card |
| 17:42.15 | tcsetattr | [-] looks like the "close window" button in DOSSHELL.EXE |
| 17:42.22 | asg | karma1: /msg dpkg ati (probably your best bet at this point) |
| 17:42.25 | Gnea | tar -cvf --exclude=/proc file.tar /path <-- why doesn't that work? |
| 17:42.31 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Ahhhh... but wont it still make a difference pingwise? |
| 17:42.40 | Gnea | it still tars /proc! |
| 17:42.42 | asg | ansong: do you know how long it's been there? |
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| 17:43.00 | greycat | Gnea: that's why god invented find -mount and cpio |
| 17:43.21 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: only to the router :) |
| 17:43.23 | tcsetattr | Gnea, maybe because it strips the leading slash, and then "/proc" doesn't match anymore? and how can /proc match /path, if /path isn't either /proc or / ? |
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| 17:43.38 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: do you even know what kind of internet connection the complex shares ? |
| 17:43.39 | tcsetattr | Gnea, also tar -l |
| 17:43.44 | ansong | asg, ls -al says 17:44 yesterday |
| 17:43.52 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: a 28.8 probably. |
| 17:43.59 | abrotman | a what!? |
| 17:44.02 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: haha Errr.. I think a T1 |
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| 17:44.19 | asg | ansong: then try looking in /home/*/.bash_history and /root/.bash_history. See if anything in /var/lib/dpkg/info is new |
| 17:44.22 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: T1 at max is 1.544Mbps .. 802.11g is 54Mbps |
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| 17:44.37 | abrotman | even if you take a bad connection .. you'd probably still get 10Mb |
| 17:44.45 | tcsetattr | your high-speed wireless only increases the number of hits per second you'll get from your neighbors' Windoze worms |
| 17:44.48 | abrotman | still waiting for the T1 .. yay .. |
| 17:45.16 | greycat | abrotman: you could save the can from your next spaghetti-O's dinner |
| 17:45.27 | greycat | poke a hole... |
| 17:45.28 | ferris_ | is there any way to install a package and force any dependant or missing packages to be installed |
| 17:45.30 | abrotman | greycat: hehe |
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| 17:45.41 | TwistedEmotions | tcsetattr: looking for a wireless card to where I am disturb the signal for everyone else... :) WEeeeee |
| 17:45.42 | greycat | ferris_: apt-get |
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| 17:45.53 | cheal | ferris_: what do you mean by missing packages? |
| 17:46.05 | abrotman | dependencies are good .. yay apt-get! |
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| 17:46.50 | ferris_ | cheal: i am installing scribus, and it requires libcupsys, qt3, qt3-dev, and several others |
| 17:46.57 | abrotman | apt-get install scribus |
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| 17:47.03 | greycat | !info scribus sarge |
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| 17:47.09 | dpkg | scribus: (free software desktop page layout program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4414 kB, Installed size: 13080 kB |
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| 17:47.16 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: wtf http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php it has all those things listed but then none of that means anything to me... I need it to tell me.. go buy D-Link XXX or Netgear XXX |
| 17:47.21 | bloom | ferris_: if you've already installed a package using dpkg, then "apt-get -f install" |
| 17:47.21 | greycat | why would it require a -dev package? |
| 17:47.36 | greycat | !depends scribus sarge |
| 17:47.42 | dpkg | scribus: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcupsys2-gnutls10 (>= 1.1.23-1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libtiff4, libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.11), python2.3 (>= 2.3), zlib1g (>= ... |
| 17:47.48 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: scroll down a bit |
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| 17:48.17 | cheal | ferris_: supposing you were right about what it requires, apt-get or most package managers would still get the dependencies automatically |
| 17:48.31 | TwistedEmotions | I only get to those from 1 wireless PCI card? hahah |
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| 17:48.52 | ferris_ | abrotman, I have done this, ..... but it doesn't get the packages |
| 17:48.57 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: based on the disclaimer .. you might want to chekc the madwifi site |
| 17:49.07 | abrotman | ferris_: telling us the errors you get .. is a *good idea* |
| 17:49.09 | tcsetattr | and the PCI card is going to be a PCMCIA reader with a wireless pc-card plugged in. |
| 17:49.09 | bobnAtWork | !help |
| 17:49.15 | greycat | ferris_: then purge the one you installed, and do it *right*. |
| 17:49.42 | ferris_ | i installed each of the packages that dpkg said |
| 17:49.47 | bobnAtWork | How do I find out more abouyt the dpkg bot on this channel? |
| 17:49.56 | abrotman | bobnAtWork: what more do you want to know |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | !sex |
| 17:49.58 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 17:50.01 | lakcaj | TwistedEmotions, with the netgear wg511, I think there is a difference in chipset between the v1 and v2. |
| 17:50.02 | greycat | bobnAtWork: /msg dpkg help |
| 17:50.02 | abrotman | bah .. not that one!!!!!!! |
| 17:50.14 | abrotman | sorry ... |
| 17:50.32 | bobnAtWork | just commands that are available - it looks great. |
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| 17:50.45 | abrotman | bobnAtWork: /msg dpkg help |
| 17:50.46 | greycat | !fuck abrotman |
| 17:50.49 | abrotman | bobnAtWork: /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 17:50.57 | greycat | oh, let me guess. the DDs. |
| 17:50.59 | abrotman | greycat: been removed thanks to the politeness police |
| 17:51.03 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:51.09 | Gnea | tarzeau: Semantics of -l option will change in the future releases. |
| 17:51.12 | Gnea | lol |
| 17:51.14 | Gnea | oops |
| 17:51.16 | abrotman | !intercourse greycat |
| 17:51.18 | Gnea | hrm, tar: Semantics of -l option will change in the future releases. |
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| 17:51.45 | TwistedEmotions | If I use a card from this ---> http://customerproducts.atheros.com/customerproducts/ page... is it fairly safe to say it will work? |
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| 17:51.50 | abrotman | where's dan2? |
| 17:51.51 | Supaplex | !test |
| 17:51.51 | dpkg | Yes, supaplex, you're still online. |
| 17:51.52 | greycat | dpkg, unforget CMD: fuck (.*?) |
| 17:51.52 | dpkg | greycat: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 17:52.14 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=compatibility_list .. and ask #madwifi |
| 17:52.16 | ansong | asg, /root/.bash_history is practically empty: nothing since i set up sudo months ago. the /home/me/.bash_history is bigger of course, but i did very little on the command line yesterday. i thing that was about the time i ran and ill-advised dist-upgrade: the xbase-clients and xutils packages wouldn't install. is there an ls switch that lists in most recently created or modified order? |
| 17:52.22 | abrotman | !tell TwistedEmotions about madwifi |
| 17:52.44 | Supaplex | ansong: yea, it's in the man page. :) |
| 17:52.46 | ferris_ | abrotman, i had to install the scribus after downloading the binary.... |
| 17:52.47 | greycat | abrotman: and where are the police now? |
| 17:52.48 | ansong | thing -> think |
| 17:52.52 | abrotman | greycat: nfc |
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| 17:53.02 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: not out of the box, you'll need to compile a separate driver for it - but yes, atheros works quite well |
| 17:53.03 | abrotman | ferris_: that doesn't make any sense |
| 17:53.07 | greycat | ferris_: STOP! Install Sarge. Then type "apt-get install scribus". |
| 17:53.07 | tcsetattr | ls -ltr /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 17:53.08 | abrotman | !madwifi-install |
| 17:53.08 | dpkg | madwifi-install is, like, to install madwifi drivers built against the Debian standard kernel builds for sarge/sid, add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 17:53.15 | ferris_ | the prob is that you cannot apt-get install scribus |
| 17:53.21 | greycat | ferris_: whatever you are doing, it's HORRIBLY wrong. |
| 17:53.25 | bobnAtWork | if you're using sudo for all your root activities, that gets loffed separaatley - /var/lo/messages or /var/log/sudo or /var/log/secure or something. |
| 17:53.32 | greycat | ferris_: you are mistaken. dpkg just TOLD US that scribus is in sarge. |
| 17:53.35 | asg | bobnAtWork: /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:53.36 | tcsetattr | I can't apt-get install scribus? who's gonna stop me? |
| 17:53.45 | toad_ | i've just reinstalled debian, and I'm trying to get LVM working. i've installed lvm2. vgscan and vgdisplay show the volume group vg-big. but it doesn't show up in /dev . how can i get to the LVs? |
| 17:54.01 | asg | ansong: anything in /var/lib/dpkg/info with timestamps about that time? |
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| 17:54.18 | toad_ | oh stupid |
| 17:54.19 | ferris_ | never mind... i am an idiot |
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| 17:54.22 | greycat | toad_: udev issue? |
| 17:54.23 | bobnAtWork | !info xf86config |
| 17:54.24 | toad_ | vgchange -a y vg-big :) |
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| 17:54.41 | greycat | those look exactly like HP-UX commands. |
| 17:54.41 | asg | !tell bobnAtWork about drxx |
| 17:54.52 | greycat | I even know what vgchange -a y means. |
| 17:55.01 | abrotman | liar! |
| 17:55.03 | greycat | and I've never in my life seen Linux LVM |
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| 17:55.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You there? I need you to go to Fry's with me.. |
| 17:55.44 | abrotman | need you to go? |
| 17:55.50 | candlelight | toad_, lvcreate |
| 17:55.55 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: are you going to hold hands and share a milkshake? |
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| 17:55.57 | Gnea | tcsetattr: thank you :) |
| 17:56.12 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: only to make you jellous! |
| 17:56.20 | ansong | Supaplex, thank you for that startling revelation. did you know it took you longer to type "yea, it's in the man page." than it would to say "ls -t". i'm not trying to flame or anything, it just makes me wonder if you are familiar with the thing called 'conversation' |
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| 17:56.36 | ansong | asg, less'ing it now |
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| 17:56.41 | greycat | dpkg, fuck $1 is <action> fucks $1 ((gently|roughly|vigourously)) ((like a (porn star|crazed (weasel|badger)))(( from behind)| (with a ((glass|pink)) (dildo|Hitachi vibrator))))(, and (pants|moans|comes) (softly|loudly)) |
| 17:56.41 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 17:56.41 | abrotman | !spellcheck TwistedEmotions |
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| 17:57.04 | tcsetattr | "it's in the man page" can mean different things: 1. You ask too many questions that you should have tried to answer for yourself, or 2. I don't remember it right now, so ONE of us is going to have to check the man page, why not you? |
| 17:57.11 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha... even my insults need error checking. |
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| 17:57.32 | TwistedEmotions | *jealous |
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| 17:58.22 | remedy | hey all, need some direction in changing my bootloader to lilo from grub in sarge.. i installed lilo, ran lilo config it tells me its writing boot sector but on reboot the loader is grub.. can someone point me in the right direction |
| 17:58.22 | remedy | thanks |
| 17:58.36 | remedy | oh and i did run 'lilo' |
| 17:58.38 | remedy | afterwards |
| 17:58.39 | loke | i did apt-get install kde and did echo 'exec startkde' > ~/.xinitrc and when i startx kde hangs and has no menus/taskbars |
| 17:58.54 | tcsetattr | did you put LILO in the MBR? |
| 17:59.09 | abrotman | loke: you know why? |
| 17:59.12 | greycat | remedy: make sure lilo.conf has boot=/dev/hda NOT boot=/dev/hda1 |
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| 17:59.21 | loke | abrotman: nope |
| 17:59.25 | abrotman | kde sucks! |
| 17:59.29 | loke | abrotman ok |
| 17:59.34 | greycat | abrotman: start a DE war |
| 17:59.35 | abrotman | loke: did you install x-window-system-core ? |
| 17:59.38 | asg | loke: you might consult #debian-kde |
| 17:59.39 | loke | abrotman: yes |
| 17:59.42 | TwistedEmotions | remedy: lilo -M /dev/foo/ |
| 17:59.46 | abrotman | greycat: fvwm is the best EVAR |
| 17:59.57 | abrotman | loke: how did you install kde ? |
| 18:00.01 | abrotman | loke: and are oyu on sid ? |
| 18:00.01 | loke | abrotman what window manager do you prefer? |
| 18:00.11 | loke | abrotman: apt-get install kde on sarge |
| 18:00.15 | ferris_ | fvwm is a windows managnment tool? |
| 18:00.15 | abrotman | loke: olwm .. the only true WM! |
| 18:00.20 | ferris_ | ok |
| 18:00.29 | loke | abrotman olwm heh |
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| 18:00.34 | abrotman | loke: blackbox or gnome usually .. |
| 18:00.35 | asg | abrotman: can't get the Solaris out of you |
| 18:00.40 | loke | abrotman blackbox is c00l |
| 18:00.41 | abrotman | asg: i miss solaris .. i really do |
| 18:00.48 | asg | abrotman: you are a sick, sick man |
| 18:00.51 | loke | abrotman ok thanks |
| 18:00.55 | abrotman | asg: better than that HP-UX! |
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| 18:01.02 | calango | how make the autofs our automount mount my cdrom automatically? |
| 18:01.02 | remedy | ok, i could probably read else where but why when i run lilo, does it tell me it cant determine my video card |
| 18:01.09 | abrotman | loke: apt-get install kde x-window-system ? |
| 18:01.09 | asg | abrotman: I'd rather have HP-UX than Solaris. |
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| 18:01.19 | loke | abrotman heh? |
| 18:01.22 | abrotman | asg: your british .. when was the last time a brit was right ? |
| 18:01.26 | abrotman | you're! |
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| 18:01.31 | asg | abrotman: a few seconds ago |
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| 18:01.37 | loke | abrotman kde x-window-system ? |
| 18:01.39 | abrotman | asg: when!? .. show me .. i dare you! |
| 18:01.41 | abrotman | loke: sure! |
| 18:01.49 | abrotman | loke: and is this a migrated user ? |
| 18:01.56 | loke | abrotman no |
| 18:02.02 | bobnAtWork | I like channels with informative bots - my thnaks to whoever is maintainng the dpkg bot. |
| 18:02.04 | abrotman | loke: fresh guy .. ... |
| 18:02.12 | abrotman | !botsnack |
| 18:02.14 | asg | abrotman: 14:00 < asg> abrotman: you are a sick, sick man |
| 18:02.14 | loke | abrotman wtf |
| 18:02.21 | abrotman | asg: everyone knows that! |
| 18:02.24 | abrotman | loke: ? |
| 18:02.29 | ansong | asg, processed @ 5:44pm : sbcl-common, cups-pdf, libsp1c2, libsp1, jade, sp, libpoppler0 |
| 18:02.33 | loke | abrotman exactly, ? |
| 18:02.34 | asg | abrotman: you dared me, I showed you :p |
| 18:02.49 | loke | abrotman kde x-window-system |
| 18:02.51 | calango | how make the autofs our automount mount my cdrom automatically? |
| 18:02.58 | calango | scripts auto.misc , auto.master , rc.autofs then configured |
| 18:03.00 | loke | calango /etc/fstab |
| 18:03.16 | Supaplex | ansong: you don't need to berate anyone for telling you it's in the man page. I don't recall the switch used, but I know for certian it was there. |
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| 18:03.18 | asg | abrotman: none of those should create /home/ANONYMOUS. |
| 18:03.21 | asg | oopos |
| 18:03.27 | loke | !tell calango about fstab |
| 18:03.30 | greycat | calango: autofs only mounts things when you refer to the directory that it controls |
| 18:03.32 | asg | ansong: none of those should create /home/ANONYMOUS. |
| 18:03.39 | deepan | i am running VNCSERVER ... ( it listens at port 5901 and 6001 ) in a linux machine. I tried to connect to this VNCSEVER from a windows machine .. ... i did a tcpdump -nn host <windows computer> to check if VNCVIEWER works properly.. please look at the pastebin for tcpdump output http://pastebin.com/359069 . I find that VNCSERVER though it is running it does not respond to my vncviewer.. i dont know why.. |
| 18:03.40 | greycat | calango: it doesn't mount upon *insertion* |
| 18:03.41 | calango | when I to place cdrom want that mount automatically |
| 18:03.48 | DarkRaven | can somebody help me in compiling and installing a programme? |
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| 18:03.58 | Py | hello! |
| 18:03.58 | abrotman | loke: you can try it |
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| 18:04.00 | greycat | DarkRaven: read the README that came with it, and INSTALL if it has one. |
| 18:04.07 | Ronin | DarkRaven: its not available in apt-get? |
| 18:04.13 | abrotman | loke: as an alternative .. ask #debian-kde |
| 18:04.13 | asg | DarkRaven: make sure you install 'build-essential' before |
| 18:04.14 | loke | DarkRaven most likely, ./configure; make; make install |
| 18:04.15 | DarkRaven | greycat, there is the problem ;) |
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| 18:04.31 | DarkRaven | loke, there is the problem ... |
| 18:04.35 | Py | if I start a java program from a script which is SUID root, will the java stuff be ran with root privileges? |
| 18:04.38 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 18:04.38 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY JESUS CRY! |
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| 18:04.58 | DarkRaven | some stuff is missing and i do not know what exactly |
| 18:05.06 | abrotman | !tell DarkRaven about search |
| 18:05.10 | asg | DarkRaven: you probably need stuff-dev |
| 18:05.10 | loke | abrotman so x-window-system is diff than x-window-system-core, thats where i g0t lost |
| 18:05.12 | ansong | Supaplex, i'm _not_ berating anyone. if you were here and "here" wasn't work, I'd buy you a beer to prove it. you'll just have to take my word for it. i was just making an observation is all. in no way did i mean to make you feel bad ;) |
| 18:05.13 | tcsetattr | yes, Py, effective uid is inherited across fork and exec |
| 18:05.28 | greycat | DarkRaven: we can't POSSIBLY help you if you don't give us the details. |
| 18:05.31 | loke | !beer ansong Supaplex |
| 18:05.41 | calango | greycat I had access the diretorio specified in auto.master but nao I function autofs |
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| 18:05.50 | greycat | DarkRaven: and if it's one of the errors on the front page of the FAQ, we reserve the right to point at you and laugh. |
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| 18:05.55 | ansong | nice feature. i need one irl |
| 18:06.02 | calango | greycat I had access the diretorio specified in auto.master but no function autofs |
| 18:06.03 | Supaplex | ansong: why thanks =) |
| 18:06.14 | greycat | calango: you have to "cd" into it, or try to open a file in it, etc. that's what "use" means. |
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| 18:06.29 | DarkRaven | greycat, for example he says gcc3 ... no, but i have gcc3.4 installed (and there is no dev debian package) |
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| 18:06.33 | greycat | calango: IT DOES NOT mount the device upon insertion of physical media. you have to USE IT THROUGH SOFTWARE. |
| 18:06.45 | greycat | !b-e DarkRaven |
| 18:06.46 | dpkg | DarkRaven: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 18:06.52 | ansong | np |
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| 18:07.03 | calango | greycat ok |
| 18:07.04 | eeyore- | oooh, dogfishhead ale is yummy. dunk me |
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| 18:07.14 | abrotman | !dunk eeyore- |
| 18:07.23 | asg | IPAs dry you out and make you look like old Indian men |
| 18:07.41 | DarkRaven | dpkg, how to get that? (sorry i'm new in compiling things :/) |
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| 18:07.51 | asg | DarkRaven: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 18:08.01 | Py | tcsetattr: damn, it is what I expected, but it doesn't seems to work that way here. The given java program (proprietary, no access to the source to debug, and have to get this working asap) crashes unless started by root. But I don't want to give full root privileges to the user, so I did put the "java ..." command into a sh script which I did suid root. But the program still crash. I'm quite lost. |
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| 18:08.09 | asg | !botsnack |
| 18:08.09 | paulswm | asg: Heh, so does living here in FL if one doesn't use hats and SPF 1 million sunscreen |
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| 18:08.26 | asg | greycat: that's the last I have to say on the matter |
| 18:08.37 | loke | abrotman when i goto the F1 console after i startx the error is see is QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used |
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| 18:08.43 | abrotman | DarkRaven: what are you trying to compile ? |
| 18:08.48 | asg | paulswm: too true. |
| 18:08.54 | tcsetattr | Py, scripts can't be setuid. Try sudo. |
| 18:08.59 | greycat | abrotman: probably something HORRIBLY graphical. |
| 18:09.01 | DarkRaven | asg, the problem is still here checking for gcc3... no |
| 18:09.05 | abrotman | loke: ok .. now you really should go to #debian-kde .. QPixmap sounds like Qt barfing .. which it does a lot :) |
| 18:09.08 | DarkRaven | abrotman, ldcc direct connect client |
| 18:09.09 | abrotman | DarkRaven: what are you trying to compile ? |
| 18:09.09 | greycat | DarkRaven: read config.log and find out why. |
| 18:09.29 | loke | abrotman ill just take your advice and use blackbox and gnome |
| 18:09.35 | loke | abrotman thanks |
| 18:09.37 | abrotman | loke: heheh ... |
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| 18:09.42 | loke | abrotman :] |
| 18:09.42 | eeyore- | hmm, interesting product review on tom's hardware. gigabyte's solid-state disk (4GB memory, SATA interface), http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/20050907/gigabyte_iram-01.html |
| 18:09.48 | Supaplex | ff java is teh suck |
| 18:09.48 | abrotman | loke: you really might want to ask #debian-kde .. they know about that stuff :) |
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| 18:09.53 | loke | abrotman ok |
| 18:09.57 | nvz | doesn't teh h3l1x live in FL? she never looked like an old indian to me.. and I doubt she like hats or uses 1million SPF |
| 18:10.01 | abrotman | eeyore-: you're slow |
| 18:10.01 | DarkRaven | graycat, what do i have to search for? |
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| 18:10.09 | greycat | DarkRaven: a clue. |
| 18:10.10 | Py | tcsetattr: oh, then it makes much sense. In fact that fully logical, as the script is not realy the executable, and I would give /bin/sh suid root ;-) Thank you a lot for making "the coin fall down" about that in my mind( |
| 18:10.17 | asg | nvz: jacksonville isn't Florida enough to be considered FL |
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| 18:10.24 | eeyore- | abrotman: i have a life outside tech :-) |
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| 18:10.34 | abrotman | nvz: you have to get sun to get looking like that |
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| 18:10.41 | asg | eeyore-: so do I, it involves pubs |
| 18:10.41 | nvz | heh. I seen on the news the other day they got a storm headed right for em |
| 18:10.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: yeah .. building tech cars to race themselves! |
| 18:10.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: ha! |
| 18:10.57 | abrotman | nvz: look out .. it's headed right for us! |
| 18:10.58 | Py | tcsetattr: I meant of course "I would NOT give /bin/sh suid root" ;-) |
| 18:11.11 | nvz | abrotman: really? comming our way now? |
| 18:11.14 | manu | install debian from netinstallcd fails |
| 18:11.16 | tcsetattr | Py, you can rewrite the "script" in C instead, or just use sudo |
| 18:11.19 | abrotman | !southparksmite nvz |
| 18:11.33 | asg | manu: you are going to have to be more specific than that. |
| 18:11.38 | ferris_ | where is it failing? manu |
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| 18:11.43 | nvz | I like the rain :) |
| 18:11.43 | DarkRaven | greycat, the config.log contains only configure:882: checking for gcc3 about gcc3 |
| 18:11.51 | eeyore- | abrotman: you would not want arm-powered jeeps in your garage (or on the trails, for that matter). "lookout for that off-camber ledge! oh no!!!!!!!" |
| 18:11.53 | greycat | I bet it says more than that. |
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| 18:12.10 | asg | or he's using sid and has gcc4 |
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| 18:12.13 | Py | tcsetattr: In my case I think sudo is more practical, as the content of the script may change... The final step will of course be to debug this crappy java stuff tu get it to run unpriovileged. |
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| 18:12.18 | nvz | my valley is only about a mile wide.. I can climb either side without much of a problem if it rains too much |
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| 18:12.26 | abrotman | eeyore-: did you guys do the race yet? |
| 18:12.30 | ferris_ | manu... where is the install failing? |
| 18:12.37 | greycat | DarkRaven: can you compile a simple "hello world"? |
| 18:12.37 | paulswm | nvz: Not sure where she lives but here in Kissimmee it is certainly true, even if it's cloudy it's easy to get burned very quickly, people who are 50 and have worked outside for years look like 90 |
| 18:12.40 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, no sponsor within the company :-p |
| 18:12.51 | abrotman | eeyore-: bastards .. take a gun to work! |
| 18:12.55 | manu | ferris_: Its a businesscard testing cd. It fails when trying to load firewire modules in 2.4 kernel |
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| 18:13.11 | DarkRaven | greycat, sorry im not a programmer ;) |
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| 18:13.23 | abrotman | we noticed |
| 18:13.27 | greycat | DarkRaven: main() { puts ("hello world"); } |
| 18:13.32 | greycat | DarkRaven: put that in a file called hello.c |
| 18:13.37 | greycat | DarkRaven: type "gcc hello.c" |
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| 18:13.45 | ferris_ | what nic are you using? |
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| 18:13.53 | manu | ferris_: in 2.6 kernel it fails if we go for default install mode saying missing /../../etch |
| 18:14.06 | Subvertir | Anyone play counterstrike from behind a debian box running ipmasq? I'm getting really shitty pings on servers that worked fine before |
| 18:14.15 | nvz | my twin cousins live in Ft Lauderdale area. they are about a year older than me and they both look fine they've been living there their whole life. |
| 18:14.16 | asg | manu: any reason you aren't using the stable business card iso? |
| 18:14.23 | manu | ferris_; Its works only in expert mode but again it fails when trying to retreive pacakage |
| 18:14.32 | abrotman | echo "main() {puts('hello world');}" > hello.c ; gcc hello.c ; ./a.out ? |
| 18:14.36 | greycat | manu: ask #debian-boot |
| 18:14.40 | ansong | asg, i agree that none of that should have created anything like that. the dist-upgrade that i performed (before i ran -f install) bombed out on something like libxaw8 as i recall. is there a file that logs the dpkg errors? yes, everyone else-i've tried /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 18:14.51 | greycat | abrotman: you need double quotes inside puts() |
| 18:14.53 | manu | I have always used unstable |
| 18:14.55 | greycat | abrotman: so swap ' and " |
| 18:14.59 | abrotman | greycat: damn puts! |
| 18:15.00 | manu | ask #debian-boot |
| 18:15.02 | DarkRaven | greycat, doesnt work |
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| 18:15.05 | asg | abrotman: putz! |
| 18:15.06 | greycat | abrotman: it's not puts() per se, but string constants. |
| 18:15.16 | greycat | !tell DarkRaven about VAGUENESS |
| 18:15.21 | abrotman | asg: i was a C++ person damn it .. we had cout! |
| 18:15.23 | tcsetattr | it looks like someone *deliberately* chose to hide "Is a directory" errors in GNU grep. what the hell are they thinking? if I accidentally put a directory on the grep command line, I damn sure want to be informed of the mistake. |
| 18:15.24 | bomb | if you've always used unstable, why are you not using the sarge mini iso and then upgrading to unstable |
| 18:15.26 | piem | hey. where does mailx read its From: from ? |
| 18:15.35 | greycat | piem: getpwnam(username); |
| 18:15.37 | ferris_ | manu, are you using a supported nic? |
| 18:15.40 | bomb | i didn't even know there were mini isos for testing |
| 18:15.44 | Anthro | greycat: And now you have std::cout |
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| 18:15.51 | asg | ansong: not really. You might want to first install chkrootkit and run debsums to see if anything really odd shows up. |
| 18:16.06 | greycat | piem: which you can simulate from the linux command line with "getent passwd username" |
| 18:16.08 | asg | !iostream.hsmite abrotman |
| 18:16.13 | manu | Yes it dit dtect my card |
| 18:16.20 | piem | greycat: my name is there, not my email though |
| 18:16.24 | eeyore- | tcsetattr: it's not a mistake if you "grep -Hr *" and one of them happens to be a directory |
| 18:16.29 | greycat | piem: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 18:16.37 | piem | mmh |
| 18:16.43 | abrotman | asg: oh noes ! .. i'm bloated! |
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| 18:16.57 | tcsetattr | grep -r is an abomination. besides that, the man page explicitly distinguishes between --directories=read, and --directories=skip, while in reality they both behave the same. |
| 18:17.04 | asg | abrotman: you're a manatee ;) |
| 18:17.04 | ferris_ | are you sure this disk is a good disk? |
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| 18:17.13 | tcsetattr | directories DO NOT belong on the grep command line. To put one there is a mistake, and should result in an error message |
| 18:17.19 | nvz | and I am going outside. :P |
| 18:17.22 | ansong | asg, i've run chkrootkit. it didn't find anything. i thought i had to be running a newer version of dpkg to get debsums working. maybe i'm confused. i'll look into it again |
| 18:17.34 | caphuso | tcsetattr: even when you're using grep -r? :) |
| 18:17.39 | eeyore- | tcsetattr: i strongly disagree. grep -r ... <directory-list> is extremely useful |
| 18:17.40 | greycat | tcsetattr: grep -r foo . is a VERY handy shortcut for find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep foo /dev/null |
| 18:18.14 | tcsetattr | grep -r is an abomination! |
| 18:18.14 | asg | ansong: you might also look at everything in /var/log |
| 18:18.14 | ferris_ | manu are you sure this is a good disk? |
| 18:18.14 | Anthro | tcsetattr: You keep saying that. Do you have any reason to back it? |
| 18:18.15 | zinx | tcsetattr: don't use -r if you don't want it :E |
| 18:18.15 | tcsetattr | the appropriate time for adding new options to grep was the late 1980's! |
| 18:18.16 | greycat | !zinx++ |
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| 18:18.16 | zinx | tcsetattr: that's why they call it an "option" |
| 18:18.26 | abrotman | asg: i like manatees! |
| 18:18.27 | eeyore- | tcsetattr: dude, evolve or go extinct :-) |
| 18:18.29 | ansong | asg, thanks. i'll grep for ANONYMOUS. |
| 18:18.30 | tcsetattr | mature tools should not get new options |
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| 18:18.36 | Subvertir | Does anyone know why using a cable modem connected via a USB port is so damn slow? |
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| 18:18.43 | greycat | tcsetattr: let me introduce you to GNU sed. |
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| 18:18.48 | asg | abrotman: yeah, too cute. |
| 18:18.55 | greycat | tcsetattr: I'll just step away from the impending explosion of your skull... |
| 18:18.56 | ferris_ | how slow is slow? |
| 18:18.57 | abrotman | asg: aw .. gee .. thanks |
| 18:18.58 | tcsetattr | oh yeah, sed -i, even worse than grep -r |
| 18:19.00 | Anthro | Subvertir: Because it's a poor choice to begin with? |
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| 18:19.10 | ansong | Subvertir, 'cause that's for people who don't have a NIC? |
| 18:19.12 | abrotman | Subvertir: usb1.1 |
| 18:19.14 | abrotman | err usb1 |
| 18:19.27 | eeyore- | all this for *one* option to grep? :-) guys, we need to leave the keyboard alone |
| 18:19.27 | ferris_ | yep, abrotman |
| 18:19.31 | Anthro | abrotman: That shouldn't matter. USB1 is capable of 40Mbps. |
| 18:19.41 | Subvertir | usb1 supports what, 12mbps? my cable modem does 500kbps/100kbps, there should be no bottleneck |
| 18:19.43 | asg | eeyore-: step away from the keyboard citizen |
| 18:19.48 | abrotman | Anthro: 12Mbps |
| 18:19.51 | Subvertir | yet it's basically unusable |
| 18:19.52 | eeyore- | hands up! hands up!!! |
| 18:19.53 | abrotman | or was it 1.2 |
| 18:19.56 | abrotman | no . .it was 12 |
| 18:20.00 | tcsetattr | anyway, my point was that grep is not behaving as documented when -r is _not_ in use. in effect, --r or --directories=skip are the only working modes... the default mode (equivalent to --directories=read) doesn't work. |
| 18:20.01 | Anthro | abrotman: Oh, right. Still, that's plenty for a cable modem. |
| 18:20.04 | ansong | abrotman, in my experience, usb2 isn't much better. and you can get some strange errors / behavior from networking w/usb |
| 18:20.14 | abrotman | that's right .. migrate to firewire! |
| 18:20.19 | abrotman | or get a real modem :) |
| 18:20.27 | piem | caphuso: sorry, but that doesn't help: my address isn't in /etc/, nor in my environment, but still it gets picked up by mail. |
| 18:20.34 | ferris_ | Subvertir, did you try a different cable? |
| 18:20.41 | ericP | is Macromedia Flash Player the only way to get flash support in mozilla-*?\nCan I use mplayer and some shim to drive it? |
| 18:20.45 | Subvertir | ferris_, can't say I've got one |
| 18:20.47 | greycat | piem: are you SURE it's mailx(1) that's setting it, and not the MTA? |
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| 18:21.16 | Anthro | ericP: No and no. |
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| 18:21.20 | ferris_ | i would try that first |
| 18:21.26 | piem | greycat: well, it's not in my MTA anyway |
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| 18:21.34 | asg | piem: do you use exim? |
| 18:21.38 | piem | asg: yes |
| 18:21.45 | paulswm | nvz: Nevertheless, aging effects of UV exposure are well known. Nice place, Ft. Lauderdale, btw, I have a sister in law there. Nice except for Spring Break, that is :) |
| 18:21.46 | asg | piem: exim -brw <username> |
| 18:21.52 | asg | piem: s/exim/exim4/ if you use sarge or > |
| 18:21.54 | ansong | Subvertir, here's my best guess: it's not a mature technology. network cards have been around for a really long time, and were developed for the express purpose of network comm. usb will scan your pics, run your webcam, upload your digicam pics, shave your cats, etc. oh yeah. you can connect it to your cable modem too! |
| 18:22.15 | greycat | piem: the man page mentions ~/.mailrc |
| 18:22.20 | abrotman | paulswm: aren't there naked girls everywhere ? |
| 18:22.25 | ansong | were -> was |
| 18:22.26 | piem | asg: handy. but it's still not there! :) |
| 18:22.26 | eeyore- | tcsetattr: i see what you mean, -d read doesn't seem to match the content of the directory |
| 18:22.31 | piem | greycat: i don't have any |
| 18:22.34 | Subvertir | ansong, so basically "no one has written drives for it that don't suck =(" |
| 18:22.50 | greycat | piem: strace it, then. |
| 18:22.51 | tcsetattr | eeyore-, it is not reporting the error on attempt to read a directory. Do you see any difference between the behavior of -d read and -d skip? |
| 18:22.54 | paulswm | abrotman: Most of whom one would rather not see nekkid |
| 18:22.55 | Subvertir | Cuz it seems mature as hell on macos X and winxp. |
| 18:22.57 | asg | piem: any environment variables set? |
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| 18:23.02 | abrotman | paulswm: let me decide |
| 18:23.08 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 18:23.10 | greycat | piem: echo hello world | strace -e open -o logfile mailx -s test foo@bar |
| 18:23.25 | ericP | Anthro, is MMFP the *best* way to get flash? or is there something else I should look for... |
| 18:23.30 | greycat | piem: for more verbosity, omit the -e open |
| 18:23.39 | asg | Subvertir: it just means that Unix people don't give enough of a toss about it to care. When someone does, there might be mature Flash support. |
| 18:23.46 | ansong | Subvertir, my only experience with it is trying to setup relatives w/o network cards and then troubleshooting said connections when they (inevitably) prove to be flaky. and they were all using windows... |
| 18:23.46 | ferris_ | Subvertir, I one of those crappy little "@home" ethernet to usb convertor network interface things |
| 18:23.54 | ferris_ | and it worked pretty good |
| 18:24.14 | Anthro | ericP: In terms of supporting flash the best, yes, use flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 18:24.15 | ansong | Subvertir, i ended up buying them nics |
| 18:24.15 | asg | Subvertir: nevermind, totally wrong tread of convo there |
| 18:24.39 | ferris_ | so for your usb to be sucking so badly, |
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| 18:24.43 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Err.. sorry to be annoying but would this card work? I dont see it on the lists you gave me but it's on sale at local store for $30 with $10 MIR. |
| 18:24.47 | TwistedEmotions | http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3938658?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG |
| 18:24.49 | ferris_ | i think you are having a cable issue |
| 18:25.00 | Subvertir | It's not the cable |
| 18:25.01 | the-dude | update-alternatives tells me that ion2 provides x-window-manager. When I login at xdm, xfce4 comes up. Any suggestions? |
| 18:25.05 | eeyore- | tcsetattr: nope, -d read should have matched something in my test. did you look at grep's source to find the offending bug? |
| 18:25.11 | ferris_ | it is more likely that your cable would be broken than debian to be broken |
| 18:25.18 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=compatibility_list#dwl-g510 |
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| 18:25.30 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: search for the chipset and use usenet (groups.google.com) |
| 18:25.31 | ferris_ | how do you know that it is not the cable? |
| 18:25.31 | valdyn | the-dude: use gdm instead of xdm |
| 18:25.34 | karsten | Is it possible to apt-get 2.2 kernels from any current Debian tree, or just 2.4/2.6? |
| 18:25.35 | Subvertir | the cable worked fine on another machine and on the same machine with a different OS |
| 18:25.39 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: and that's all i can say .. i don't know more specifics about the card like firmware version etc |
| 18:25.43 | tcsetattr | eeyore-, I have already made a patch and now I'm deciding whether I should install my fixed version in /usr/local/bin or try to convince dpkg and apt that I do not need or want the debian version of grep |
| 18:25.51 | caphuso | i don't think you can actually read a directory the way wants to with --directory=read |
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| 18:25.54 | Subvertir | and does the ipmasq package use ipchains yet? |
| 18:25.55 | caphuso | on linux, that is |
| 18:25.57 | ansong | Subvertir, did you purchase the cable modem? if it's rented from the cable company you should be able to take it back and get a different one. i've had customers do it before... |
| 18:25.58 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: kk thanks. |
| 18:26.05 | ericP | Anthro, thanks kindly. flashplugin-nonfree hadn't shown up in aptitude so i didn't reallize there was a deb to help me. |
| 18:26.10 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: also .. ask #madwifi .. they use that stuff! :) |
| 18:26.14 | Subvertir | the cable modem isn't broken and the cable isn't broken |
| 18:26.16 | piem | greycat: odd. i can't see any tracks of my address, nor where it gets it from. |
| 18:26.16 | Anthro | ericP: Glad to help. |
| 18:26.25 | the-dude | valdyn: I can't find any "startxfce4" or something in the xdm config :P |
| 18:26.27 | ferris_ | ansong, what do you do for a living? |
| 18:26.27 | caphuso | probably one of those GNU tool options only useful on the hurd |
| 18:26.34 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: #madwifi has 39 people in it :( |
| 18:26.35 | greycat | piem: once again, I ask: are you SURE it's mailx(1) that's setting it, and not the MTA? |
| 18:26.44 | tcsetattr | caphuso, I only want the same behavior that was working in previous versions of grep (like woody, maybe?) which is it prints an error message when you grep foo directory... "directory: Is a directory". That tells me what I did wrong. It's important feedback. |
| 18:26.49 | greycat | piem: do you get different behavior with, say, mutt? |
| 18:26.51 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: better than buying a card that won't work .. isn't it ? |
| 18:27.04 | Subvertir | Does ipmasq use ipchains now?? |
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| 18:27.06 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: true true. |
| 18:27.07 | streuner | Subvertir: nah |
| 18:27.11 | greycat | Subvertir: do you use linux 2.2? |
| 18:27.17 | streuner | Subvertir: ipmasq isn't care... |
| 18:27.17 | litage | i copied sarge dvd 1 to /var/www/ so that debmirror wouldn't have to download as much. when i run `debmirror /var/www` why does it delete everything in /var/www and then re-download everything? |
| 18:27.18 | Maulkin | TwistedEmotions: That uses teh same chipset as the Asus WL-138G, which is supported under ndswrapper: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:27.19 | Subvertir | or iptables my bad |
| 18:27.46 | Subvertir | So ipmasq uses iptables now? |
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| 18:28.02 | roler | what debian package has aplay in it? |
| 18:28.05 | Maulkin | So yes, it should work. |
| 18:28.05 | roler | i know it's alsa |
| 18:28.06 | ansong | ferris_, i'm 1/2 of a small computer store/services co. mainly we do IT work for small companies, some residential stuff |
| 18:28.11 | caphuso | 2001-08-25 Heikki Korpela * doc/grep.texi: Point out that some Platforms do not support reading of directories and silently ignore them. |
| 18:28.14 | streuner | Subvertir: if its isn't care? iptables, ipchains |
| 18:28.22 | piem | greycat: yes, i can set the from in mutt happily |
| 18:28.26 | ferris_ | kewl |
| 18:28.44 | caphuso | tcsetattr: then you need to revert that 4 old change to grep |
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| 18:29.06 | Subvertir | streuner, dude I didn't grok that sentence at all =( |
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| 18:29.24 | Laney | alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
| 18:29.50 | eeyore- | Laney: nice going |
| 18:29.50 | Maulkin | roler: alsa-utils |
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| 18:29.53 | asg | Laney: boot with linux init=/bin/bash |
| 18:30.01 | caphuso | tcsetattr: and even better: that change was made to match historical behaviour of grep |
| 18:30.01 | Maulkin | roler: dpkg -S aplay |
| 18:30.09 | eeyore- | someone add that to quote of the day |
| 18:30.09 | streuner | Subvertir: ok, if you wanna use ipchains fine, if you wanna use iptables fine, ipmasq use that |
| 18:30.09 | caphuso | tcsetattr: which means you should be glad that it happened ;-) |
| 18:30.23 | Skiflyer | So I have a cruddy linksys router doing my DHCP, and my debian server is on this network using DHCP... but there's no way to set reservations, and my windows boxes can't see the box by hostname... so at the least I'm trying to make sure it always has the same IP address... does anyone know a way to accomplish this? |
| 18:30.25 | abrotman | !qotd148 is <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
| 18:30.25 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 18:30.25 | tcsetattr | historical behavior of grep was never to silently skip directories, which is exactly what it's doing now. |
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| 18:30.35 | roler | Maulkin; that only works if it is installed :) |
| 18:30.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: that ? |
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| 18:30.43 | drewr | Is upgrading e2fsprogs a FAQ somewhere? I'm getting dependency loops. |
| 18:30.52 | asg | abrotman: qotd34 is open for purging |
| 18:30.57 | Laney | don't mock me! |
| 18:30.59 | abrotman | why? |
| 18:30.59 | Maulkin | roler: Fair enough. http://packages.debian.org/. Bottom box :) |
| 18:31.01 | abrotman | !qotd34 |
| 18:31.01 | dpkg | <voltagex> how can I enable syntax highlighting in nano? |
| 18:31.03 | asg | drewr: there is a bug in the bts |
| 18:31.08 | asg | drewr: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:31.10 | abrotman | asg: what's wrong with that? |
| 18:31.12 | cheal | roler: apt-file search bin/aplay |
| 18:31.13 | Laney | asg: how do i do that D: from the cd? |
| 18:31.14 | drewr | asg: Ah, OK. |
| 18:31.16 | asg | abrotman: it is apparently possible |
| 18:31.21 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:31.23 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 18:31.23 | dpkg | i guess qotd120 is <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
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| 18:31.28 | eeyore- | Laney: do the init=/bin/bash thing and take an fsck at the next reboot like a man |
| 18:31.32 | roler | cheal; wow nice thanks |
| 18:31.33 | asg | Laney: just boot the existing kernel with init=/bin/bash |
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| 18:32.02 | karma1 | I just downloaded the ati drivers from shcneider-digial.de and made the rpm into a .deb, but now how do I install the .deb file? |
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| 18:32.29 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 18:33.39 | piem | uh, it seems it's my *receiving* server that sets a From: ?! |
| 18:34.03 | takatumi | abrotman: re: qotd34 http://www.nano-editor.org/colorsyntax.png |
| 18:34.06 | greycat | piem: some MTAs will overzealously canonicalize any bare username-only addresses they see. qmail does ont. |
| 18:34.09 | greycat | s/ont/not/ |
| 18:34.28 | abrotman | takatumi: that's just wrong:) |
| 18:34.44 | greycat | piem: if your mail is going out with "From: Joe Smith <joe>" then if sendmail gets hold of it, sendmail might change joe to joe@my.mail.server |
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| 18:35.24 | tcsetattr | in the NEWS file under grep 2.3, someone documented the correct behavior: "Hence `grep PATTERN DIRECTORY' should report `grep: DIRECTORY: Is a directory' on hosts where the operating system does not permit programs to read directories directly, and `grep: DIRECTORY: Binary file matches' (or nothing) otherwise.'" - but since then, things have changed |
| 18:35.25 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 18:35.34 | ferris_ | dpkg -i package-name.deb |
| 18:35.36 | piem | greycat: right, i have piem@foo in /etc/email-addresses on the server bar. if i send a mail to piem@bar, it appears from piem@foo |
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| 18:35.51 | greycat | piem: where "foo" is a bare hostname, without a domain? |
| 18:35.52 | fdg | hello |
| 18:36.01 | jazzanova | i am having trouble enabling my usb keyboard. should i be seeing it in usbview when i plug it in ? |
| 18:36.02 | piem | greycat: no a fqdn |
| 18:36.12 | abrotman | lsusb ? |
| 18:36.15 | pants9 | does debian stable still use xfree86? |
| 18:36.20 | asg | pants9: yes |
| 18:36.21 | greycat | piem: where "bar" is a bare hostname, without a domain? |
| 18:36.29 | pants9 | asg: am i missing anything important because of that? |
| 18:36.32 | piem | greycat: no, a fqdn too :) |
| 18:36.34 | asg | pants9: no |
| 18:36.37 | valdyn | the-dude: what did you really want to start instead of ion3? |
| 18:36.40 | greycat | piem: take it up with #exim then. |
| 18:36.44 | valdyn | the-dude: or ion2, whatever |
| 18:36.49 | greycat | piem: or whatever MTA bar runs |
| 18:36.50 | jazzanova | lsusb blocks |
| 18:36.55 | piem | greycat: ok, thanks |
| 18:37.08 | Skiflyer | is there a way to have a debian box request a specific IP address when it makes its DHCP request? |
| 18:37.22 | eeyore- | Skiflyer: why use dhcp then? |
| 18:37.23 | pants9 | asg: what are the differences? |
| 18:37.25 | greycat | pants9: sarge uses xfree86 4.3.0 with some backported drivers from 4.4.0-RC* |
| 18:37.27 | asg | piem: it depends on the rewrite flags in exim. If exim4, look in /etc/exim4/conf.d/rewrite/31_exim4-config_rewriting |
| 18:37.35 | ansong | Skiflyer, just use a static ip outside the dhcp range |
| 18:37.38 | jazzanova | abrotman: it blocks, and if i press control-c, that doesn't help. |
| 18:37.45 | pants9 | greycat thats very interesting, i dont know what sarge is |
| 18:37.49 | Skiflyer | eeyore-: because it's what's setup now... I'll gladly use static if that's easier, but I also don't know how to set that up |
| 18:37.50 | greycat | !sarge |
| 18:37.50 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 18:37.55 | jazzanova | abrotman: do i need to reboot the computer ? |
| 18:37.57 | abrotman | it blocks ? |
| 18:38.03 | jazzanova | yeah |
| 18:38.04 | abrotman | do you have hotplug installed ? |
| 18:38.05 | greycat | dpkg, sarge =~ s/in one/at one/ |
| 18:38.06 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:38.07 | abrotman | wtf is blocks ? |
| 18:38.17 | jazzanova | hangs |
| 18:38.25 | pants9 | i am coming from gentoo. debian sounds good. except for the xorg thing. so i figured i'd better check it out before i'm disappointed :) |
| 18:38.29 | ansong | abrotman, programmer's term for 'hangs' |
| 18:38.31 | roler | what is the package called that installs the true type font support for X? |
| 18:38.31 | abrotman | jazzanova: guess you ahve to reboot don't you ? |
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| 18:38.37 | greycat | pants9: it all depends on your video card |
| 18:38.46 | pants9 | greycat, that's interesting, how so? |
| 18:38.46 | eeyore- | Skiflyer: you can configure the dhcp server to hand out static IP (outside of dhcp range) to the client, based on mac address |
| 18:38.51 | jazzanova | could it be that i am running something conflicting usb modules ? |
| 18:38.55 | greycat | for some video cards, xfree86 is fine. for some, xfree86 is fine if you only need 2d. for some, xorg is vastly better. |
| 18:38.58 | tvo | with pbuilder, is specifying an APTCONFDIR necessary or should it autocreate one if it is empty? |
| 18:39.05 | jazzanova | i don't know what usb controller i have. |
| 18:39.09 | jazzanova | how can i find out. |
| 18:39.09 | Skiflyer | eeyore-: unfortunately I can't, I'm using a linksys router to do the DHCP and they don't support that feature |
| 18:39.21 | pants9 | greycat, i don't need 3d and my video card is a 9600XT |
| 18:39.26 | jazzanova | i have uhci_hcd and ohci_hcd running at the same time. |
| 18:39.28 | eeyore- | Skiflyer: are you sure? it should |
| 18:39.34 | the-dude | valdyn: I want to start ion2 but always end up with xfce4 |
| 18:39.44 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.50 | the-dude | I think its the x-session-manager alternative :) |
| 18:39.54 | pants9 | ineed |
| 18:39.57 | ansong | Skiflyer, you could do what eeyore- suggested (with the mac address bit) but if you 'man interfaces' it'll tell you how to setup your /etc/network/interfaces file to use a static ip address |
| 18:40.01 | Skiflyer | eeyore-: pretty positive on that one, I've looked into it in the past for real networks, and always had to switch them to more legitimate DHCP servers to get the job done |
| 18:40.08 | stew | the-dude: out of curiosity, why ion2 and not ion3? |
| 18:40.18 | jazzanova | rebooting... |
| 18:40.26 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 18:40.26 | dpkg | i guess xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 18:40.26 | pants9 | indeed* |
| 18:40.28 | eeyore- | Skiflyer: well then, /etc/network/interfaces, it's pretty easy to do |
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| 18:40.45 | Skiflyer | eeyore, ansong: Alright, I'll give that a look... hopefully I won't be back :) |
| 18:40.54 | the-dude | stew: dunno - but the xfce-problem would probably be the same |
| 18:41.08 | valdyn | the-dude: see what dpkg said, just put 'exec /usr/bin/ion2' in that file. |
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| 18:41.21 | pants9 | greycat so will i be ok? |
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| 18:41.36 | ansong | Skiflyer, np, take care |
| 18:41.38 | skott | whenever i apt-get install kde i get an error "could not early remove e2fsprogs" |
| 18:42.06 | eeyore- | Skiflyer: be back anyway :) |
| 18:42.15 | cheal | skott: under which release? |
| 18:42.15 | the-dude | valdyn: I know that. x-session-manager still pointed to xfce - problem solved. Thank you! |
| 18:42.23 | skott | sarge |
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| 18:42.30 | cheal | skott: ask #debian-kde |
| 18:42.45 | skott | well it happens whenever i apt-get anything at all |
| 18:43.02 | asg | skott: and you only have 'sarge' sources in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:43.05 | cheal | that's diffenrent then |
| 18:43.30 | newbdeb | Hi. having trouble installing module because kernel tree source error |
| 18:43.42 | skott | yeah |
| 18:44.05 | skott | i just now installed debian, i haven't messed with anything at all |
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| 18:44.48 | pants9 | can i install xorg on debian? |
| 18:44.56 | Skiflyer | seems to be working, thanks |
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| 18:45.05 | asg | pants9: with backports.org but they are not official |
| 18:45.05 | stew | pants9: in testing you can, in stable you cannot |
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| 18:45.12 | stew | !xorg sarge |
| 18:45.13 | dpkg | xorg sarge is, like, http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 18:45.31 | pants9 | i dont know what a backport is |
| 18:45.35 | stew | !backport |
| 18:45.35 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 18:45.39 | abrotman | stew: testing now has xorg .. or least parts of it |
| 18:45.52 | asg | skott: which debian disc did you use? |
| 18:45.53 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 18:45.55 | stew | abrotman: yes, thats why i said "in testing you can" |
| 18:45.59 | skott | uhm |
| 18:46.00 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 5563 kB, Installed size: 15696 kB |
| 18:46.13 | abrotman | stew: i misread ..ignore me .. i didn't take my asg pills this morning .. i don't know *everything* |
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| 18:46.24 | skott | i think it was a testing one, maybe i should change that to stable in my sources.list? |
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| 18:46.43 | stew | skott: you can't go from testing to stable |
| 18:46.44 | cheal | abrotman: don't worry, I mixed 2 releases twice the same day this week |
| 18:46.46 | asg | skott: well, testing isn't sarge. /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 18:47.49 | abrotman | cheal: that's not good |
| 18:48.25 | ansong | asg, do you use amule? i googled /home/ANONYMOUS and found someone with the same problem. he decided it was an amule thing. (i'm not certain that i agree.) however in case creating the directory was a prereq for successful installation i looked for programs that installed right _after_ 17:44 (the time stamp on the ANONYMOUS directory) lo and behold: amule was listed just one minute later... |
| 18:48.31 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 18:48.31 | dpkg | [pubtime] time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:48.38 | cheal | abrotman: I know. asg pills aren't strong enough for that case though |
| 18:48.39 | stew | happy friday! |
| 18:48.44 | asg | ansong: sorry, I've never used amule. |
| 18:48.45 | SuperSox | humm, I'm having troubles installing debian from floppy on a laptop, the installer starts fine loads boot.img root.img and networking drivers, then when it tries to detect the network card (or rather it says it's loading yenta_socket) it fails and dies on me, I've tried booting the floppy with 'linux nolapic' as someone suggested earlier, but to no avail, any further suggestions? (I've also got the netinstall iso extracted onto a usb keystick - but |
| 18:48.57 | yang | Is anyone good with NFS? |
| 18:49.00 | asg | stew: gotta love the friday |
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| 18:49.05 | abrotman | yang: oxymoron |
| 18:49.17 | asg | !seen oxymoron |
| 18:49.17 | dpkg | asg: i haven't seen 'oxymoron' |
| 18:49.21 | LSorensen | SuperSox: only pcmcia networking available? |
| 18:49.28 | stew | yang: if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 18:49.31 | Seb | hmmm, ps aux | grep jboss | awk '{print $2}' | xargs -t kill doesn't give me any error |
| 18:49.36 | ansong | anyone else use amule on testing and wanna look in your /home folder for new dirs? |
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| 18:49.44 | LSorensen | SuperSox: is it a network card model known to work with linux? |
| 18:49.49 | SuperSox | LSorensen: yep, and wireless at that :( I may be able to bodge together some form of pcmcia laplink |
| 18:49.51 | Seb | but it doesn't kill anything, and when I paste the same command manually, it gives me 'permission denied' (the processes aren't mine). Why doesn't it say that with xarg ? |
| 18:49.59 | Seb | i mean, I should get the same error, right ? |
| 18:50.03 | stew | skott: why not just "pkill jboss" instead of that pipeline? |
| 18:50.06 | LSorensen | SuperSox: there are very few supported wireless cards around |
| 18:50.20 | newbdeb | where is kernel source? |
| 18:50.23 | SuperSox | LSorensen: its not hanging when it trys to load the network card - it's hanging when it trys to load the drivers for pcmcia afaik |
| 18:50.26 | LSorensen | SuperSox: many work after install by using ndiswrapper, but very few work during the install (since very few have a working native driver) |
| 18:50.36 | cheal | newbdeb: in a package? |
| 18:50.40 | Seb | stew: because it's a java process ,and I have other ones I want to keep |
| 18:50.44 | LSorensen | SuperSox: usually when you see the message it means that driver did load. |
| 18:50.56 | LSorensen | SuperSox: can be hard to tel lif it's pcmcia driver failing or the network driver failing |
| 18:51.01 | Seb | s/it is/they are/ |
| 18:51.02 | SuperSox | LSorensen: not getting any message... |
| 18:51.08 | tcsetattr | Seb: when you type "kill" you are using the shell builtin kill. When you run xargs xkill, you're getting /bin/kill. |
| 18:51.10 | LSorensen | SuperSox: does it crash the system? |
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| 18:51.17 | tcsetattr | xargs kill, I mean. |
| 18:51.34 | LSorensen | SuperSox: could try booting with acpi=off. could try both the default 2.4 and the optional 2.6 kernel (linux26) |
| 18:51.43 | SuperSox | LSorensen: just hangs whilst detecting hardware - got a progress bar up at about 2% I know it's not the network card because it's dealing with some Toshiba driver (the wireless card isn't toshiba) |
| 18:51.53 | Seb | tcsetattr: oooh, nice |
| 18:52.04 | Seb | tcsetattr: very nice find. Thx a lot man. |
| 18:52.05 | SuperSox | LSorensen: I'll try that, give me a second till I get the laptop |
| 18:52.09 | ansong | is the motd right? xorg is in testing? |
| 18:52.11 | tcsetattr | apparently /bin/kill doesn't report errors... what is it with tools that don't report errors? |
| 18:52.11 | LSorensen | SuperSox: hmm, I have seen trouble with pcmcia slots on toshibas before. I think I found a setting in the bios once that made it work. it's been years though |
| 18:52.19 | greycat | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 18:52.25 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 5563 kB, Installed size: 15696 kB |
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| 18:52.29 | LSorensen | SuperSox: the mode of the pcmcia slot I think it was. |
| 18:52.31 | ansong | sweet |
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| 18:52.36 | jazzanova | which usb module do i need to run to identify my usb controller ? |
| 18:52.41 | tcsetattr | oh, procps 3, that's just as bad. |
| 18:52.58 | tcsetattr | to identify it? run lspci |
| 18:53.02 | greycat | tcsetattr: traditional unix has /bin/kill |
| 18:53.09 | SuperSox | LSorensen: humm, I could try that... at the moment it's set to 'auto' I think |
| 18:53.21 | jazzanova | 0000:00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce USB Controller (rev c3) |
| 18:53.21 | jazzanova | 0000:00:03.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce USB Controller (rev c3) |
| 18:53.23 | greycat | tcsetattr: and /bin/echo and /bin/[ (or /usr/bin) |
| 18:53.32 | newbdeb | cheal: trying to install device module but I'm unable to change kernel source location on makefile |
| 18:53.35 | tcsetattr | greycat, I just meant this particular version, and I was making a little joke based on my earlier grep complaint. you had to be there. |
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| 18:53.45 | jazzanova | but do i need to run uhci or ohci ? |
| 18:53.51 | LSorensen | SuperSox: might be worth checking. last I messed with a toshiba the 'toshiba' mode didn't work right, and when set to the older normal mode it just worked. I have also seen laptops where 'pnp os installed' set to yes would break pcmcia on linux |
| 18:53.56 | jazzanova | and i seem to have two of them |
| 18:54.00 | LSorensen | jazzanova: depends on your chipset |
| 18:54.04 | greycat | jazzanova: grepping for your video card won't tell us whether your MOBO has ohci or uhci |
| 18:54.09 | tcsetattr | grep doesn't report errors when you try to read a directory, kill doesn't report errors when you try to kill someone else's process... something is going wrong in the Linux world where errors are increasingly not reported. |
| 18:54.11 | cheal | newbdeb: hum. which module is it? |
| 18:54.14 | LSorensen | jazzanova: each host tends to support 2 ports. if you see two, you probably have 4 ports |
| 18:54.18 | greycat | tcsetattr: it doesn't? |
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| 18:54.27 | greycat | arc1:~$ /bin/kill 1 |
| 18:54.27 | SuperSox | LSorensen: fyi it's an older toshiba, the bios is pretty limited, but I'll try poking about in there |
| 18:54.27 | greycat | arc1:~$ |
| 18:54.28 | greycat | holy shit. |
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| 18:54.34 | asg | heh |
| 18:54.36 | greycat | at least it set $? to 1 |
| 18:54.39 | jazzanova | thats, the USB lines in my lspci output |
| 18:54.50 | newbdeb | cheal: ipw2100. following an old howto. |
| 18:54.50 | LSorensen | greycat: also know as of course it did report the error :) |
| 18:54.59 | greycat | bash: kill: (1) - Operation not permitted |
| 18:55.01 | greycat | bash does! :) |
| 18:55.06 | tcsetattr | greycat, at least it exits non-0 |
| 18:55.12 | greycat | tcsetattr: yes |
| 18:55.13 | tcsetattr | yeah |
| 18:55.20 | jazzanova | if i run uhchi and ohchi, both modules load |
| 18:55.26 | cheal | newbdeb: perhaps it's too old. are you sure you need kernel source? |
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| 18:55.39 | jazzanova | also ehci loads |
| 18:55.45 | greycat | ehci == usb 2.0 |
| 18:55.52 | LSorensen | tcsjaz: that's ok |
| 18:55.56 | LSorensen | tcsetattr: ehci is usb2 |
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| 18:56.22 | jazzanova | at some point, thought my computer locks if i try lsusb |
| 18:56.22 | LSorensen | tcsetattr: usb2 ports require both a usb1 driver (ohci/uhci) and a usb2 driver (ehci) |
| 18:56.30 | LSorensen | er jazzanova |
| 18:56.33 | jazzanova | maybe it is a clash between all these hci modules |
| 18:56.48 | yang | NFS problem - http://channels.debian.net/paste/687 |
| 18:56.50 | LSorensen | jazzanova: or lsusb is broken, or there is a driver bug somewhere |
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| 18:56.59 | newbdeb | cheal. havent found another. frealeks |
| 18:57.07 | jazzanova | ok, which hci should i load first ? ehci ? |
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| 18:57.12 | SuperSox | I also tried booting DSL off a usb/floppy combo, but failed claiming it couldn't uncompress some file somewhere... but that's less than debian related, so never mind :) |
| 18:57.15 | LSorensen | jazzanova: lsusb works here on a via chipset with usb2 ports |
| 18:57.24 | LSorensen | jazzanova: using a 2.6.something recent kernel |
| 18:57.39 | cheal | newbdeb: I never compiled ipw2100. won't basically m-a a-i ipw2100 work? |
| 18:57.48 | SuperSox | ohhh, it got a little further this time :D but didn't detect the network card.... damn! |
| 18:57.48 | greycat | cheal: it's supposed to |
| 18:57.49 | LSorensen | cheal: it should |
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| 18:58.05 | cheal | ...ok |
| 18:58.07 | LSorensen | SuperSox: well it may not be a supported card |
| 18:58.13 | LSorensen | SuperSox: what kind of card is it? |
| 18:58.30 | JRWR | i have a hardrive that is on a PCI IDE card |
| 18:58.36 | JRWR | and i need to boot linux off of it, now the BIOS wont do it, i do however have winxp as boot |
| 18:58.46 | SuperSox | LSorensen: Belkin Wireless... afaik it should work, but I'm doubting my floppy set has wireless drivers (just by looking through the list here, not one wireless card is mentioned) |
| 18:58.48 | LSorensen | JRWR: and win xp is on what drive? |
| 18:58.55 | JRWR | the main |
| 18:58.59 | LSorensen | SuperSox: what driver is it supposed to work with? |
| 18:59.05 | LSorensen | SuperSox: have you ever used it with linux before? |
| 18:59.09 | SuperSox | LSorensen: I'm not entirely sure ;) and no. |
| 18:59.11 | LSorensen | JRWR: not on pci ide card? |
| 18:59.13 | JRWR | the one i boot, i grabed this hardrive out of a old comp |
| 18:59.17 | JRWR | no |
| 18:59.19 | LSorensen | SuperSox: then quite likely it is not supported |
| 18:59.27 | tcsetattr | you have a PCI IDE card in addition to IDE ports on the motherbaord, or you just have the PCI IDE card and none on the motherboard? |
| 18:59.29 | jazzanova | ok, i loaded just usbkbd and my usb keyboard works, without *_hcd modules |
| 18:59.32 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: you should probably file a bug against procps for kill not reporting errors/warnings like that |
| 18:59.33 | SuperSox | LSorensen: I figured I'd cross that bridge when I came to it - I wasn't expecting the cd drive to not work haha :) |
| 18:59.39 | LSorensen | JRWR: which boot loader and where is the boot loader installed? |
| 18:59.50 | JRWR | ok here is my setup |
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| 18:59.59 | yang | stew: can you solve this? |
| 19:00.02 | JRWR | 1, MAIN BOOT HD *Winxp |
| 19:00.04 | SuperSox | although, now the pcmcia stuff seems to be working properly, the cd drive might work now too |
| 19:00.05 | kraehe | moin |
| 19:00.10 | newbdeb | cheal: forget the fact it's that module. my aim is to set my system kernel source correctly. |
| 19:00.12 | JRWR | 2, PCI CARD 60GIG NON BOOT |
| 19:00.13 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: (but at least $? is set right) |
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| 19:00.24 | JRWR | 3, PCI CARD 50 GIG Linux boot |
| 19:00.32 | tcsetattr | dondelelcaro, I think the procps maintainer won't listen to me based on my previous reports (I have never accepted as legitimate the incompatible interface changes between procps 1 and procps 2...) |
| 19:00.51 | cheal | newbdeb: hum, I don't think I can help you |
| 19:01.06 | kraehe | whats the recommended combination to record audio files (from soundcard) and to create mp3's in Debian ? |
| 19:01.22 | newbdeb | cheal: ok. thanks anyway cheal. |
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| 19:01.36 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: so file a bug anyway, being as courteous as possible... worst case it'll let other people know that there's a problem. |
| 19:01.46 | cheal | kraehe: debian doesn't ships software to encode MP/-s |
| 19:01.48 | JRWR | LS: any ideas |
| 19:01.49 | cheal | MP3 |
| 19:02.12 | JRWR | LSorensen: any ideas |
| 19:02.14 | LSorensen | JRWR: well given you didn't answer the question. |
| 19:02.21 | kraehe | cheal: does it ship software to record the wav streams ? I could compile lame on my own |
| 19:02.22 | Lee__ | !tell kraehe about marilliat |
| 19:02.26 | tcsetattr | I have bad experience reporting bugs. People always argue with me claiming the bug is an improvement. |
| 19:02.26 | LSorensen | JRWR: nope not yet. actually I have many ideas |
| 19:02.46 | Lee__ | !tell kraehe about marillat |
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| 19:02.48 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: well, that's not unusual; some argument is normal. |
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| 19:02.59 | JRWR | LSorensen: one guy says install grub/lilo on the main boot then let it do its job |
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| 19:03.02 | Lee__ | kraehe: there are tons of audio recording utilities in Debian |
| 19:03.17 | JRWR | LSorensen: prob is i only have windows |
| 19:03.30 | Virtual | How do I list all rules in iptables, iptables -L ? |
| 19:03.35 | Lee__ | yes |
| 19:03.35 | kraehe | lee: what tools do you recommend ? |
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| 19:03.36 | tcsetattr | I spend 5 minutes fixing a bug and then 5 years trying to convince people to use my patch, it gets tiring |
| 19:03.47 | LSorensen | JRWR: well you certainly would have to install lilo or grub to the first HD (usually shows as /dev/hda in linux, but sometimes the order can get confused) |
| 19:04.02 | LSorensen | JRWR: the linux installer normally takes care of that for you |
| 19:04.11 | zinx | tcsetattr: if your patches consist of removing the -r option from grep, I can understand why :P |
| 19:04.12 | Lee__ | kraehe: depends on what you want to do. ecasound is a quick command line recording/converting program, as is sox (rec/play) Audacity is a GUI and Ardour is a massive digital audio workstation. |
| 19:04.18 | JRWR | this came out of an old computer |
| 19:04.24 | karsten | JRWR: ... you've got a few options. Boot media (floppy, CD, USB drive) can do it. I believe you can chain NTLDR => GRUB though most people do it the other way around. |
| 19:04.30 | cheal | tcsetattr: that certainly limits the number of bad experiences you get, doesn't it? |
| 19:04.38 | LSorensen | JRWR: so you didn't install linux on that machine in the first place. well get a grub floppy and boot that and fix it from there. |
| 19:04.45 | kraehe | lee: thanks - i'll install them all - and compare them on my own ;) |
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| 19:05.00 | karsten | JRWR: ... or install GRUB as suggested (you *can* boot NT from it), or try a proprietary bootloader (eg: system commander). |
| 19:05.01 | SuperSox | LSorensen: humm, looks like it does work but requires ndiswrapper... if I can get the install going off the cd though I should be alright |
| 19:05.09 | JRWR | will a install cd work? |
| 19:05.24 | tcsetattr | I've come to understand that I'm the only person who really likes unix. Everyone else wants to "improve" it. |
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| 19:05.37 | streuner | JRWR: if your CDROM not work, just install via floppy and then via CDROM |
| 19:05.49 | cmatheson | hi, the resolv.conf is telling me not to put nameserver information there or it will get overwritten, what is the debian way? |
| 19:05.57 | JRWR | it does |
| 19:05.58 | karsten | JRWR: Install disks run SYSLINUX, not sure that can be prodded to boot from HD. |
| 19:06.01 | JRWR | i have 5 cd-roms |
| 19:06.09 | streuner | cmatheson: DHCP? |
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| 19:06.18 | cmatheson | streuner: no it's static |
| 19:06.21 | LSorensen | JRWR: you would have to also fix fstab and anything else that refers to the disk by /dev/hda which it no longer is |
| 19:06.39 | JRWR | i know that, |
| 19:06.43 | cheal | tcsetattr: yes...right |
| 19:06.51 | LSorensen | SuperSox: well you have to get enough of the system installed and get ndiswrapper on there and kernel headers, and somehow get the windows driver needed by ndiswrapper on it |
| 19:07.00 | LSorensen | SuperSox: certainly a netinstall won't do. |
| 19:07.09 | LSorensen | SuperSox: unless you have a working network as well |
| 19:07.23 | LSorensen | SuperSox: like built in ethernet or a supported regular ethernet pcmcia card you can use |
| 19:07.36 | LSorensen | SuperSox: it shouldn't be too hard to setup after the install is done |
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| 19:08.00 | LSorensen | JRWR: not sure. might be able to use rescue mode to boot |
| 19:08.14 | JRWR | i have b4 |
| 19:08.25 | JRWR | i just got to get windows to boot grub |
| 19:08.39 | SuperSox | LSorensen: unfrotunately the only pcmcia network card I have is missing a dongle, but if I can get some form of base system installed it's not a major issue |
| 19:09.16 | JRWR | WHOA, |
| 19:09.40 | JRWR | im readthing this guild and im seeing some crap going on, can grub boot winxp? |
| 19:09.50 | JRWR | off NTFS |
| 19:09.54 | Ronin | sure why not JRWR |
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| 19:09.58 | SuperSox | LSorensen: for some reason though, there is no option to install from the cd from these floppies :S I'll knock off some new ones later on |
| 19:09.59 | greycat | JRWR: yes. |
| 19:10.03 | LSorensen | SuperSox: well do you have a cdrom drive? |
| 19:10.04 | JRWR | cool |
| 19:10.04 | JRWR | k |
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| 19:10.08 | streuner | cmatheson: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 19:10.16 | JRWR | ill just insall grub on the main boot sec |
| 19:10.17 | Ronin | used to dual boot for the longest time between ntfs and a linux flavor of one sort or another |
| 19:10.19 | LSorensen | SuperSox: sure there is. get the cd install floppy instead of the net install floppy. the boot and root are the same |
| 19:10.20 | JRWR | and have it do my obtting |
| 19:10.23 | JRWR | botting |
| 19:10.31 | JRWR | hope this works |
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| 19:10.41 | LSorensen | JRWR: yes the MBR of the main drive |
| 19:10.50 | SuperSox | LSorensen: yes, initially I thought it wasn't working - but after (we) changed the bios settings things seemed a little smoother, so perhaps the cdrom drive will kick back into life :) |
| 19:10.57 | LSorensen | JRWR: and then add windows and linux to the grub menu |
| 19:11.02 | SuperSox | LSorensen: can't do it just now, but will be on it like a shot later on |
| 19:11.14 | emergo | Im trying to add marrilat unstable to sources list but get The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 19:11.40 | streuner | emergo: visit marillat's side, there is the key... |
| 19:11.54 | SuperSox | LSorensen: I'm having a hardware crises at the moment 5 of my 6 boxes are out for the count at the moment, leaving me without a floppy drive - thankfully my flatmate has one however :) |
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| 19:11.55 | greycat | emergo: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 19:12.03 | emergo | streuner: does it say how to install |
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| 19:12.17 | streuner | emergo: yes, IIRC |
| 19:12.23 | LSorensen | SuperSox: how can you kill that many machines at once? |
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| 19:13.07 | cmatheson | streuner: thanks, i'll check that out |
| 19:13.14 | SuperSox | LSorensen: dunno, my AMD64 keeled over and spazzed on me, before I got that fixed the hard drive failed on my P3, one of my sun workstations needs a fdisk (I'm just lazy) and the other sun requires a new power supply |
| 19:13.31 | SuperSox | LSorensen: also I've only spent about two days in my flat in the past month! haven't had time to fix anything :( :( |
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| 19:14.05 | LSorensen | SuperSox: sounds like you have a big expensive storage locker full of broken computers :) |
| 19:14.14 | SuperSox | LSorensen: *nods* |
| 19:14.21 | SuperSox | LSorensen: 300GBP fried too |
| 19:14.33 | SuperSox | err 300GBP graphics card sorry |
| 19:14.40 | bomb | SuperSox: where do you live and what time are you usually not home? |
| 19:14.55 | SuperSox | bomb: haha |
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| 19:15.14 | Virtual | I have MRTG installed correctly on the network server, it shows graphs for its external and internal ips but I want to set graphs for the ips that are in the network that pass through the server to the net, anybody know how I can do this? |
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| 19:15.22 | LSorensen | bomb: answer: somewhere, and most of the time :) |
| 19:15.33 | SuperSox | bomb: rest assured I've taught my flatmate how to use my nunchaku ;) |
| 19:15.44 | bomb | pffft |
| 19:15.51 | bomb | shuriken > nunchaku |
| 19:15.51 | yang | Can someone help me with NFS problem, i cant mount it - http://channels.debian.net/paste/687 |
| 19:15.54 | LSorensen | Virtual: that would be hard. you would need iptables doing counts on each ip and then monitor those |
| 19:16.08 | SuperSox | I've got a shuriken kicking about somewhere |
| 19:16.10 | pants9 | asdfadsfasdf. |
| 19:16.11 | greycat | yang: read the logs on the server side |
| 19:16.19 | SuperSox | and a set of sais coming soon too :) |
| 19:16.20 | Lee__ | Virtual: have you looked at nagios? |
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| 19:16.23 | greycat | yang: make sure you have the BASIC SHIT done, like having portmap installed, and NO firewall, etc., |
| 19:16.31 | bomb | sais? |
| 19:16.39 | bomb | you mean those miniature swords? |
| 19:16.42 | greycat | bomb: yes |
| 19:16.42 | pants9 | .. |
| 19:16.44 | SuperSox | bomb: nooo... |
| 19:16.45 | bomb | nice |
| 19:16.49 | bomb | ? |
| 19:16.49 | SuperSox | bomb: they are like the forks ? |
| 19:16.52 | bomb | no |
| 19:16.53 | recyclebin | so what? |
| 19:16.55 | greycat | they look like small tridents |
| 19:16.57 | SuperSox | bomb: three prongs |
| 19:17.01 | SuperSox | greycat: yeah thats the ones |
| 19:17.03 | Virtual | LSorensen: there are only 7 ips |
| 19:17.04 | bomb | they are miniature swords with hand guards |
| 19:17.10 | Lee__ | skills, y'know, like bo staff skills, numchuck skills... |
| 19:17.20 | SuperSox | with hand gaurds the same length as the |
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| 19:17.22 | SuperSox | blade |
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| 19:17.29 | grep | Hey everyone, any idea why the smp kernel won't see my 2 cpu's ? |
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| 19:17.50 | Lee__ | cause you're not using an SMP kernel? what's uname -a say? |
| 19:18.00 | greycat | because the second one's not hooked up? |
| 19:18.02 | LSorensen | Virtual: still a pain. you would essentially have to do something like add a rule for each ip that matches on traffic for that ip, and then have snmp report that somehow (iptables -L lists how many bytes/packets have matched each rule) and have mrtg read those values. |
| 19:18.08 | grep | 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 19:18.20 | LSorensen | grep: what is in /proc/cpuinfo (use #flood) |
| 19:18.21 | grep | greycat, how to hook it up ? |
| 19:18.30 | grep | LSorense, only one cpu |
| 19:18.30 | greycat | how would I know? I'm not a hardware guy. |
| 19:18.37 | LSorensen | grep: what kind of cpus? |
| 19:18.37 | grep | i se |
| 19:18.41 | grep | before it was working |
| 19:18.45 | grep | PII |
| 19:18.48 | grep | no |
| 19:18.50 | grep | PIII |
| 19:18.50 | Lee__ | grep: plug in your CPU or something. |
| 19:18.51 | grep | sorry |
| 19:18.56 | LSorensen | grep: maybe one of the CPUs have come loose from it's slot |
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| 19:19.04 | LSorensen | grep: slot or socket? |
| 19:19.09 | grep | LSorense, it does this on 2 machines |
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| 19:19.20 | greycat | does *what* on 2 machines? |
| 19:19.20 | grep | slot |
| 19:19.27 | pants9 | doesnt detect 2 cpus. |
| 19:19.29 | pants9 | jeez. |
| 19:19.35 | grep | doesn't see the 2 cpus on the 2 machines |
| 19:19.40 | greycat | grep: how do you know? |
| 19:19.41 | LSorensen | grep: well theck that the VRMs are seated properly and that the CPUs are seated properly. check that the bios has SMP enabled |
| 19:19.49 | grep | greycat, cat /proc/cpu |
| 19:20.01 | grep | hum |
| 19:20.11 | grep | LSorense, there's a machine i can't reboot |
| 19:20.12 | Virtual | LSorensen: any idea how I may do that? |
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| 19:20.25 | LSorensen | grep: well then I guess it's staying with one cpu |
| 19:20.27 | greycat | pants9: you assume he has a clue. I don't. |
| 19:20.33 | grep | LSorense, was working before, it's what i don't get |
| 19:20.37 | greycat | before what? |
| 19:20.37 | pants9 | greycat exactly the problem with support channels |
| 19:20.41 | LSorensen | Virtual: the snmp part, nope none at all |
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| 19:20.49 | LSorensen | grep: so what did you change |
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| 19:21.29 | grep | LSorense, hum updated apache.... only this... |
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| 19:21.48 | pants9 | well, that's obviously the problem! |
| 19:21.50 | greycat | apache would have no effect on the output of pseudofiles in /proc |
| 19:21.51 | grep | so nothing that should be interacting |
| 19:21.51 | bomb | apache is famous for making second processors disappear |
| 19:22.00 | pants9 | indeed |
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| 19:22.11 | grep | hehe |
| 19:22.11 | LSorense | grep: rebooted to a new kernel? |
| 19:22.16 | grep | LSorense, no |
| 19:22.18 | grep | didn't reboot |
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| 19:22.27 | grep | just have let the machines running |
| 19:22.34 | LSorense | grep: well then it was broken before. cpus CAN'T disappear from /proc/cpuinfo without rebooting |
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| 19:22.35 | grep | ok |
| 19:22.35 | ansong | asg, found it. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326034 apparently i don't grep good enough :( |
| 19:22.36 | tcsetattr | /proc/cpuinfo changed while the machine was running?! |
| 19:22.39 | pants9 | maybe one of the cpus jumped out |
| 19:22.39 | deepspace | Hmm |
| 19:22.51 | greycat | maybe his AC broke and it melted |
| 19:22.53 | deepspace | Running unstable, does anyone know why ps2pdf seems to missing? |
| 19:22.56 | tcsetattr | your CPU went out for cigarettes |
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| 19:23.01 | grep | i'll wait the time to have the other server up, set as failover and then reboot this one and inspect |
| 19:23.02 | tcsetattr | it'll be back |
| 19:23.06 | greycat | deepspace: bugs.d.o |
| 19:23.11 | pants9 | maybe it's hiding |
| 19:23.12 | pants9 | it's shy |
| 19:23.20 | bomb | grep: you don't have the second cpu super-glued on top of the first, do you |
| 19:23.20 | ansong | asg, thanks for the time and help |
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| 19:23.45 | pants9 | grep: are you sure it's 2 cpus or did you just take one and cut it in half |
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| 19:24.07 | grep | LSorense, 15 days uptime i was still seeing it like 2 days ago |
| 19:24.16 | greycat | check dmesg. |
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| 19:24.22 | pants9 | good idea. |
| 19:24.27 | grep | hum |
| 19:24.29 | grep | lemme see |
| 19:24.35 | loke | im trying to compile 2.6.8 kernel and im getting errors when i make oldconfig and make menuconfig, scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration |
| 19:24.35 | loke | scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was here |
| 19:24.35 | loke | make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1 |
| 19:24.36 | loke | make: *** [menuconfig] Error |
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| 19:24.43 | loke | sorry |
| 19:24.46 | greycat | loke: use gcc-3.3 |
| 19:25.08 | loke | k |
| 19:25.08 | deepspace | No maintainer for ps2pdf. Please do not report new bugs against this package. |
| 19:25.12 | deepspace | smeg. Well thanks greycat |
| 19:25.13 | grep | hum |
| 19:25.15 | grep | not in dmesg |
| 19:25.24 | tcsetattr | why 2.6.8? if you're going to compile something, why not a newer one? |
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| 19:25.39 | loke | greycat so just apt-get remove gcc4? |
| 19:25.49 | bomb | wtf |
| 19:26.00 | greycat | !debian kernel image |
| 19:26.00 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
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| 19:26.08 | loke | tcsetattr for my orinoco patch |
| 19:26.27 | pants9 | greycat, how do you compile a kernel incorrectly? |
| 19:26.34 | loke | greycat is there a debian kernel image with patched orinoco drivers? |
| 19:26.48 | greycat | how would I know? sounds like wireless shit. |
| 19:26.54 | loke | greycat yes |
| 19:26.56 | comex | How can I reinstall all of the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d? Someone said "update-rc.d add package defaults" but from the man page I don't think that reinstalls ALL of them for every package, which is what I want. |
| 19:27.14 | greycat | a better question is "Why are you running sid if you don't know how to deal with this sort of thing?" |
| 19:27.15 | beardy | comex: How come they have disappeared? |
| 19:27.23 | tcsetattr | if you want an incorrect compilation, try using gcc 2.96, it's great at those |
| 19:27.25 | ferris_ | what is the issue with wireless internet? |
| 19:27.40 | nvz | comex: you pretty much have to reinstall everything if you want them all back |
| 19:27.49 | ferris_ | why is there so much dislike for it? |
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| 19:27.49 | nvz | !reinstall |
| 19:27.49 | dpkg | reinstall is probably COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 19:27.59 | greycat | ferris_: 90% of the chipsets on the market are proprietary, undocumented, and only have windows binary drivers available. |
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| 19:28.07 | greycat | ferris_: then people STILL BUY the shit. |
| 19:28.10 | nvz | comex: unless you know what packages they were and use update-rc.d |
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| 19:28.25 | pants9 | greycat, then why is there not a website documenting which ones work under linux? |
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| 19:28.33 | pants9 | greycat, and obviously some of them do work under linux. |
| 19:28.34 | comex | Well, as I said, it's all of the package, since what I have is unnamed and I seem to have accidentally combined it with some knoppix stuff |
| 19:28.35 | greycat | pants9: there are probably a dozen |
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| 19:28.37 | Coweater | greycat: orinoco has had support for a while now |
| 19:28.38 | ferris_ | yeah, people need to do a little research |
| 19:28.45 | pants9 | well, i have googled, and found nothing |
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| 19:28.49 | greycat | Coweater: so why's loke trying to apply a patch? |
| 19:28.53 | pants9 | maybe i'm retarded or google is hiding it from me |
| 19:29.06 | ferris_ | or start the installation and find a wireless card that is supported buy the net installer |
| 19:29.10 | emergo | greycat: and mac for that matter ! It stink so badly that my powerbook cant run debian that Im probably bying something else that can next time |
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| 19:29.15 | zack_|work | I'm going to be receiving hourly emails, with attachments, to a certain email address. How can I set up a script to run on the attachment every time I receive an email? |
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| 19:29.23 | comex | Also, I have already done dpkg -i --force-confmiss * in /var/cache/apt/archives, is there anything that that doesn't do that what you said does? |
| 19:29.27 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.30 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.34 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:29.47 | tralala | !wireless |
| 19:29.47 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
| 19:29.56 | tralala | quite a good starter |
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| 19:29.59 | tralala | used it myself |
| 19:30.00 | pants9 | wireless internet is worse for security, price, efficiency, reliability, configuration, compatibility. |
| 19:30.06 | pants9 | at least, from personal experience. |
| 19:30.19 | pants9 | the only advantage is, no cables. which isn't such a big advantage. |
| 19:30.26 | Coweater | of course it is, same as laptops, but it's portable |
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| 19:30.26 | tralala | it is for me |
| 19:30.29 | ferris_ | i screwed up and bought a linksys..... couldn't get it to work wpc11.v4 (not supported)... then bought a cisco aironet 340 for $25 and it works like a champ! |
| 19:30.35 | pants9 | so, to be honest, i don't see the point at all. |
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| 19:30.39 | deepspace | Yeah I have to say, I have found wireless internet fairly miserable compared to cabled |
| 19:30.45 | deepspace | But sometimes you have no choice. |
| 19:30.50 | ferris_ | you have to buy the right card, and cisco is definately the right card |
| 19:30.52 | tralala | I'd rather not have my house wrapped with cables all around |
| 19:30.54 | pants9 | because with wireless, often things mysteriously dont work |
| 19:31.16 | greycat | wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#faq21 |
| 19:31.19 | greycat | oops, ECHAN |
| 19:31.25 | litage | how can i make an ssh tunnel such that when i give firefox a url, the request goes through the tunnel, pops out the other end, grabs the page, comes back through the tunnel, and serves firefox? |
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| 19:31.41 | tcsetattr | worse than what? |
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| 19:31.48 | comex | The --force-confmiss restores some things in /etc, but it doesn't seem to do anything to the rc.d. I'd just like to know if it'll help to do the apt-get --reinstall, to save a reboot. |
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| 19:31.52 | greycat | litage: you'll need an HTTP proxy on one end of the tunnel |
| 19:31.52 | ferris_ | deepspace, i get faster downloads on my wireless connection, running debian, than my wife gets with a wired connection with windows |
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| 19:31.57 | tralala | litage: you have to have an http proxy at the other end of the tunnel |
| 19:31.58 | greycat | litage: then point firefox at the other end |
| 19:32.17 | tralala | greycat: ah, you've got me |
| 19:32.43 | nvz | its a proud day to be american I'll tell you what. we are tackling 80y/o women stealing their property and dragging them out of there homes now :P I'd be screaming Rage Against The Machine's "How I could just kill a man" as I was prying that AR from the soldiers cold fingers and standing on him with one foot. I dont know what makes people think a state of emergency allows them to violate constitutional rights. </ot> |
| 19:32.51 | deepspace | ferris: I too completely defy the laws of physics in my downtime. I keep opening wormholes in the bathroom which, when I accidentally launch the soap during showering (by grasping it to hard) swallows said soap. Somewhere there is a dimension full of my soap. |
| 19:33.32 | asg | nvz: simple google for tin-foil hat thanksgiving and fema |
| 19:33.35 | greycat | nvz: the world needs more RATM |
| 19:33.42 | nvz | yeah no kidding |
| 19:33.59 | nvz | I wish the singer would come back out of hiding and get the band going again |
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| 19:34.11 | greycat | I think he had a solo album...? |
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| 19:34.19 | darkskiez | anyone have any idea why after a month or so of uptime the clock on linux might stop dead? |
| 19:34.21 | nvz | he's probably sitting in mexico bangin senoritas and drinking tequilla |
| 19:34.35 | deepspace | He's gonna go all Axel Rose, I just know it. Hanging around darkened apartments, drinking expensive alcohol and getting weird. |
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| 19:34.44 | tralala | darkskiez: is that a laptop? |
| 19:34.51 | darkskiez | tralala: a server |
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| 19:35.08 | beardy | darkskiez: sounds strange, you mean the hardware clock or the system clock? |
| 19:35.12 | deepspace | Not that there's any particular problem with getting your weird on; I have been up 27 hours now and I wish I had a mirror in here to watch me get weird. |
| 19:35.21 | greycat | http://www.zackdelarocha.com/ |
| 19:35.22 | darkskiez | system clock, causes everything to go tits up. |
| 19:35.22 | ajeet | Can someone please tell me why Debian is 14 CD's?! |
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| 19:35.29 | greycat | ajeet: because it wouldn't fit on 13 |
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| 19:35.32 | darkskiez | ajeet: its only 40 meg. |
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| 19:35.37 | emergo | I wanna keep a backup of a dir and any subdir of it. Can I make it "autosync" at every change made to it ? |
| 19:35.40 | tralala | dunno then. My laptop has strange problem after a long uptime period, but it gets through suspend/resume cycles every day. |
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| 19:35.45 | greycat | emergo: man rsync |
| 19:35.50 | ajeet | Seriously though, why 14 CD's? |
| 19:35.50 | greycat | emergo: "no" |
| 19:35.52 | litage | greycat, tralala: what do i do once i have an http proxy? |
| 19:35.57 | greycat | ajeet: because 13 weren't enough to hold the data |
| 19:35.57 | beardy | darkskiez: The system clock should tick forever, shouldn't it? And the rtc should tick until you poweroff the machine, if the battery is dead.. |
| 19:36.03 | tralala | is there a way to pass command line parameters to a sed script, e.g. #!/bin/sed -nf and later /$1/s/foo/bar/? |
| 19:36.05 | greycat | ajeet: this is not a difficult concept. |
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| 19:36.10 | bobw_ | i have apache2 installed on my machine, i want php....i just did apt-get install php4, restarted apache2, my index.php tries to download instead of parsing....i already checked and the addtype php is in apache2.conf |
| 19:36.16 | greycat | litage: set up the ssh tunnel to point to it |
| 19:36.16 | ajeet | It's not very user-friendly to have to install 14 CD's... |
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| 19:36.20 | greycat | ajeet: then don't. |
| 19:36.25 | asg | bobw_: install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 19:36.26 | darkskiez | beardy: it should, but infact it stops, and sometimes flickers back and forth between two secondss. |
| 19:36.29 | ajeet | I want to try Debian but am put off by this... |
| 19:36.31 | beardy | ajeet: You donät install everything. |
| 19:36.32 | tralala | ajeet: use the two dvd's |
| 19:36.35 | tralala | dvds |
| 19:36.35 | greycat | ajeet: THEN FUCKING USE THE NET INSTALL CD! |
| 19:36.37 | zinx | ajeet: that sounds like a pretty stupid idea to me |
| 19:36.39 | asg | ajeet: then use a 40M business card iso |
| 19:36.43 | beardy | !d-i ajeet |
| 19:36.44 | dpkg | ajeet, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 19:36.54 | litage | greycat: ah, so setup the tunnel between localhost:80 and proxy_server:PORT ? |
| 19:36.56 | greycat | godalfuckingmighty. |
| 19:36.59 | emergo | greycat: rsync with cron would be the best option ? |
| 19:36.59 | bobw_ | asg, do i even need the php4 package then, should i remove it |
| 19:36.59 | beardy | greycat: easy.. |
| 19:37.02 | bucky | ajeet, you're right.. that's why theres a small net install iso so you don't have to download all 5000 available packages |
| 19:37.07 | greycat | litage: I'd use a different local port than 80, but sure. |
| 19:37.07 | asg | bobw_: you need it |
| 19:37.23 | tralala | litage: experiment a bit and you'll get it. It's really simple |
| 19:37.23 | greycat | litage: and point the browser at the ssh tunnel endpoint |
| 19:37.33 | litage | thanks greycat |
| 19:37.39 | ajeet | AH, what the hell, I'll probably download the 14 iso's... That way I'll have everything... |
| 19:37.40 | asg | nvz: s/bulls/bullshit/ |
| 19:37.40 | bobw_ | ash, thanks a lot man |
| 19:37.55 | ajeet | So what version of Gnome is currently in stable? |
| 19:37.56 | asg | ajeet: you can get everything selectively via the net. Don't waste bandwidth |
| 19:38.08 | greycat | ajeet: packages.debian.org |
| 19:38.17 | ajeet | Thanks... |
| 19:38.18 | nvz | asg: indeed. |
| 19:38.19 | darkskiez | ajeet: debian doesnt work like that. |
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| 19:38.32 | ajeet | How'd you mean? |
| 19:38.36 | bucky | it requires you read the install manual |
| 19:38.46 | greycat | !d-i |
| 19:38.46 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for Debian 3.1 (Sarge). You ARE installing Sarge and not Woody, right? See http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer |
| 19:38.48 | greycat | !reference |
| 19:38.48 | dpkg | hmm... reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 19:38.56 | tralala | ajeet: Personally I find the dvds much more convinient and space saving. |
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| 19:39.12 | ansong | asg, did you get my post? it was cups-pdf... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326034 |
| 19:39.16 | ajeet | Yes, but I currently don't have a DVD writer... |
| 19:39.17 | darkskiez | so, no ideas why the system clock would stop dead ? |
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| 19:39.36 | asg | ansong: ah no, I was in the shower |
| 19:39.42 | greycat | darkskiez: motherboard failure? CMOS battery? |
| 19:39.44 | beardy | ajeet: If you have a faster/cheaper than dialup internet coneection, you install using the netinstaller, then you get a base system installed, after that you install the things you want and need. Read the installation manual. |
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| 19:39.54 | nvz | I need to start putting things to do lists in my motd or something again.. when I am in a hurry I will do things manually and never get around to automating the tasks later |
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| 19:40.09 | darkskiez | greycat: happens to a selection of our servers on different kernels :/ |
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| 19:40.58 | beardy | ajeet: (when you install the things you want and need, what happens is, that the packages you want are downloaded, and then installed) |
| 19:40.59 | tralala | darkskiez: do you use some sort of a net time? |
| 19:41.01 | streuner | dpkg, security testing is <reply> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg00006.html |
| 19:41.01 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 19:41.05 | darkskiez | tra: nope |
| 19:41.13 | greycat | dpkg, testing security |
| 19:41.13 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing.debian.net/ ;) |
| 19:41.14 | ajeet | beardy: Thanks! |
| 19:41.21 | cavediver | Hi. Do I mount nfs drives the same with nfs-user-server as with nfs-kernel-server ? I can't seem to google that info. |
| 19:41.22 | ansong | asg, yeah cups-pdf did it. thanks for the time/assistance |
| 19:41.25 | Py | what's the "best" (most stable) automounter system to use with an usb stick? I heard about supermount and submount, any comments? |
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| 19:41.26 | nav5 | ajeet: I'm a newbie, and I tried netinstall, worked very easily |
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| 19:41.27 | tralala | darkskiez: well, that's pretty odd than. |
| 19:41.32 | greycat | cavediver: the client side doesn't change. |
| 19:41.40 | darkskiez | trala: esp cos the time goes BACKWARDS sometimes. |
| 19:41.50 | greycat | cavediver: the client side has always been and must always be in the Linux kernel. |
| 19:41.53 | cavediver | greycat: ok, too bad. Then something else must be wrong. |
| 19:42.02 | cavediver | *sigh* |
| 19:42.04 | tralala | darkskiez: do they all have the same mobos? |
| 19:42.10 | ajeet | I currently use SuSE but Debian appeals to me a lot, especially the emphasis on security and stability... |
| 19:42.12 | darkskiez | tralala: possibly. |
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| 19:42.21 | abrotman | ajeet: but? |
| 19:42.21 | ajeet | Albeit, the release schedule sucks... |
| 19:42.29 | greycat | what schedule? ;-) |
| 19:42.45 | abrotman | ajeet: most people use stable for servers and either testing or unstable for desktops(at thier own risk of course) |
| 19:42.45 | tralala | darkskiez: if it happens on a number of servers with different kernels I would suggest a hw problem. |
| 19:42.49 | cavediver | Anyone using dmcrypt and can share the volumes using nfs ? Maybe it just won't work. |
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| 19:43.06 | ajeet | Yeah, I'm gonna do net install tomorrow, tonight I'll read up on neccesary info... |
| 19:43.12 | darkskiez | they are Fujuitsu Siemens Xeon servers. grr. |
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| 19:43.22 | darkskiez | cant remmeber which series they are. |
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| 19:43.33 | nav5 | can someone point me to a document which explains how to start programming in c++ in debian? I'm familiar with c++ programming on windows but don't know where to find the compiler and ide in debian. |
| 19:43.34 | abrotman | i thought fujitsu made sparc boxes |
| 19:43.47 | abrotman | nav5: apt-get install build-essential .. is a good start |
| 19:43.54 | abrotman | nav5: and which GUI are oyu using ? |
| 19:43.55 | greycat | nav5: #c++ (or ##c++ if lilo stuck his face in that one too) might have suggestions |
| 19:43.57 | beardy | ajeet: The current stable is not that old. Start with stable, when you have learned how things work, you can try running unstable instead, if you want the newest desktops and such, but things may and will break, so start with stable until you know what you are doing. |
| 19:44.20 | nav5 | abrotman: for debian, gnome |
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| 19:44.34 | abrotman | nav5: many people like anjuta |
| 19:44.35 | abrotman | !anjuta |
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| 19:44.38 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:44.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, anjuta is a great IDE to GTK+/GNOME for C/C++, similar to KDevelop. It has auto-completion, class/function browser, etc..http://anjuta.sourceforge.net |
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| 19:44.41 | abrotman | anjuta.sf.net iirc |
| 19:44.58 | nav5 | thank you |
| 19:44.58 | ajeet | I'll probably try both Debian and the new Ubuntu... |
| 19:44.59 | greycat | "similar to this KDE tool" :) |
| 19:45.00 | greycat | hehehe |
| 19:45.19 | abrotman | but .. better ... |
| 19:45.27 | tralala | ajeet: just be sure not to ask your ubuntu questions here |
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| 19:45.41 | Fleck | APT::Force-LoopBreak << where can i activate this??? |
| 19:45.58 | greycat | Fleck: man apt.conf, I think |
| 19:46.03 | Fleck | ok |
| 19:46.07 | ajeet | tralala: Lol, I won't. |
| 19:46.43 | abrotman | i thought they were just supposed to grab some package from sid .. where's resiak |
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| 19:46.53 | ferris_ | what is the newest kernel? |
| 19:46.59 | cavediver | 2.6.13 |
| 19:47.02 | beardy | ferris_: kernel.org |
| 19:47.03 | asg | ferris_: for what? |
| 19:47.04 | greycat | ferris_: finger @kernel.org |
| 19:47.04 | ferris_ | thanks |
| 19:47.06 | JRWR | LSorensen: well that failed |
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| 19:47.37 | beardy | ferris_: (If you meant linux-kernel) |
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| 19:47.41 | JRWR | LSorensen: it has to pick up the hardrives on the IDE card b4 it will boot off of it |
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| 19:48.40 | JRWR | .... |
| 19:48.48 | tralala | greycat: echo "that curl shit" > kernel_finger; chmod +x kernel_finger; ./kernel_finger ;) |
| 19:48.48 | JRWR | LSorensen: you there? |
| 19:49.04 | greycat | tralala: but then it would only work on the boxes where that file system is mounted. |
| 19:49.23 | rx-182 | is there a debian rls roadmap somewhere? |
| 19:49.25 | greycat | tralala: and I can't very well tell some newbie "./kernel_finger" |
| 19:49.42 | greycat | by the way, that curl shit is: |
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| 19:49.44 | greycat | !finger @kernel.org |
| 19:49.45 | dpkg | i heard finger @kernel.org is deprecated (and often non-functional); try curl http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner |
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| 19:49.58 | greycat | who's gonna remember www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner? |
| 19:50.00 | tralala | greycat: well, yeah - you have a point here. Two points actually. |
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| 19:50.48 | litage | greycat: i found a public/open proxy (61.115.7.2) and setup a tunnel like so: ssh -C -L 3434:61.115.7.2:80 -N localhost however, browsing to google.com:3434 does nothing. any suggestions? |
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| 19:51.20 | greycat | litage: no no... you tell the browser to use 127.0.0.1 port 3434 as its proxy. |
| 19:51.25 | asg | litage: you configure your browser to use the proxy |
| 19:51.28 | greycat | litage: then you go to google.com:80 |
| 19:51.36 | tralala | litage: you can't setup an ssh tunnel if you don't have ssh login to the remote (proxy) host |
| 19:51.37 | rutski89 | is there any good type as you talk software for debian |
| 19:51.47 | rutski89 | or visa versa, a voice that says what you have highlighed on screen |
| 19:51.52 | tcsetattr | export http_proxy=127.0.0.1:3434 (or something similar) |
| 19:52.11 | litage | tralala: ah hrm |
| 19:52.11 | greycat | tralala: well, it would be an un-tunneled proxy connection, which rather defeats the point of using ssh |
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| 19:52.33 | litage | greycat: i really only want to circumvent my router's filtering and logging, that's all |
| 19:52.34 | JRWR | How do i get debian to pick up my ata100 IDE card b4 mounting the root |
| 19:52.39 | JRWR | im working from rescue |
| 19:52.41 | greycat | the traffic would travel over ssh to localhost, then in the clear to the proxy |
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| 19:53.14 | greycat | litage: you need a proxy on a machine on the outside of your router's dominion, and ssh access to that proxy's host |
| 19:53.15 | beardy | rutski89: google tts debian, or, accessability debian, speakup debian, or simillar |
| 19:53.40 | greycat | litage: which normally means "my box at home, since I'm at work", or "my friend's box" |
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| 19:53.50 | tralala | Xactly |
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| 19:54.33 | theD3viL | in #gaim i dont recived answer... which port gaim using for sending files ? |
| 19:54.35 | viper | my cdrom is on scsi channel 1 device 1 .. what /dev/**** should I mount ? |
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| 19:54.43 | tcsetattr | what package provided /bin/kill on woody? |
| 19:54.58 | asg | !find /bin/kill woody |
| 19:54.59 | streuner | !find bin/kill woody |
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| 19:55.17 | greycat | !win streuner |
| 19:55.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, streuner! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:55.20 | litage | greycat: i don't have ssh access to this public proxy i found, but when i set it up in firefox, went to a site i'd never been to before, then removed the proxy settings and checked my router's logs, there was no mention of the site i'd just gone to |
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| 19:55.21 | tcsetattr | I tried that... |
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| 19:55.33 | greycat | tcsetattr: you have to omit the leading / as streuner did |
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| 19:55.43 | viper | hmm does baracuda quantom scsi disks are getting pretty hot.... |
| 19:55.44 | tcsetattr | hey, why did it give 2 different answers to the same question? |
| 19:55.49 | greycat | tcsetattr: different questions. |
| 19:55.51 | tcsetattr | omit the leading / huh... |
| 19:55.52 | asg | tcsetattr: not the same question |
| 19:55.58 | deepan | i have a basic doubt.. can i put brute force programs for download or expose the source code in my website ?.. how does the law prohibit me from doing that ?... if some one uses those programs and gets into trouble will i be punished ? if not .. then how do websites like phrag.com exist |
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| 19:56.20 | asg | deepan: WANL |
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| 19:56.47 | beardy | deepan: Read the license you are using, especially the NO WARRANTY parts. |
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| 19:57.22 | asg | beardy: he's asking if he can put his nuclear bomb making instructions online and whether the feds will pay him a visit |
| 19:57.23 | Fleck | ok thanks - works greycat :) |
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| 19:57.31 | pinucset | somebody has the link of some kde vs. gnome website comparative? |
| 19:57.40 | DoppelGanger | www.google.com |
| 19:57.40 | asg | pinucset: fvwm.org |
| 19:57.42 | tcsetattr | please don't use the word "doubt" to indicate a lack of knowledge. native English speakers generally use "doubt" to mean a lack of confidence in the truth of a statement |
| 19:57.44 | greycat | deepan: since asg's remark was cryptic, I'll spell it out: We Are Not Lawyers. |
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| 19:57.50 | pinucset | thanks |
| 19:57.53 | greycat | deepan: consult a legal expert in your jurisdiction |
| 19:58.01 | beardy | asg: well, will they? |
| 19:58.15 | viper | how can I mount my scsi cdrom its on chanel one device one |
| 19:58.15 | tcsetattr | somewhere an English-as-second-language school is churning out people who misuse the word "doubt" and it's quite jarring |
| 19:58.34 | asg | beardy: it depends on a lot of factors, factors #debian cannot possibly enumerate. |
| 19:58.40 | beardy | asg: Yes. |
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| 19:59.03 | beardy | asg: I agree, I mean. |
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| 19:59.26 | Thanatermesis | dvdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording. |
| 19:59.37 | greycat | dvdrecord is not supported either |
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| 19:59.47 | JRWR | How do i get debian to pick up my ata100 IDE card b4 mounting the root |
| 19:59.48 | Thanatermesis | I have a DVD-RW but dvdrecord don't like my simple command for record the ISO, any idea ? |
| 19:59.49 | JRWR | im working from rescue |
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| 20:00.00 | w00ter | No more sugar for tcsetattr ! |
| 20:00.00 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, not suported ? |
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| 20:00.24 | greycat | Thanatermesis: use dvd+rw-tools (growisofs) or cdrecord-ProDVD (non-free) |
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| 20:00.35 | Thanatermesis | ok, let me try |
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| 20:01.05 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: don't use dvdrecord. use growisofs |
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| 20:01.34 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: growisofs actually works, has supported and development, and is easier to use |
| 20:01.43 | smithj | anyone here know about ltrace? more specificially, why it uses '-u root -g root' as options to /bin/install |
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| 20:01.57 | LSorensen | smithj: maybe it has to be suid root to work |
| 20:02.01 | smithj | cespedes is apparently in charge of it, but i can't find him |
| 20:02.02 | Thanatermesis | ok, thanks thanks... |
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| 20:02.21 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, any person know a posible support of lighscribe in linux ? |
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| 20:02.38 | LSorensen | Thanatermesis: what is that? |
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| 20:02.45 | skelll | hello |
| 20:02.46 | viper | how can I mount my scsi cdrom its on chanel one device one ? |
| 20:02.47 | tcsetattr | smithj, that should probably be -o root -g root... -u looks like someone got confused |
| 20:03.02 | greycat | viper: find out its device name (probably /dev/scd0) and mount it |
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| 20:03.09 | Thanatermesis | its a new tecnology for record a image in the another face of the CD/DVD using the laser LSorense (special cds) |
| 20:03.12 | smithj | LSorensen: the new version of coreutils dies when trying to chown something to root as a non-user (it used to silently drop the option)... this is a problem for installing as non-root |
| 20:03.14 | LSorensen | viper: normally you mount /dev/scd0 |
| 20:03.24 | smithj | tcsetattr: that was *my* tpyo... sorry :-) |
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| 20:03.32 | skelll | when i try to install sun java sdk i got permission denied , when i use make-jpkg i get |
| 20:03.34 | LSorensen | smithj: are you forgetting to use fakeroot while building? |
| 20:03.34 | skelll | No matching plugin was found. |
| 20:03.34 | skelll | Removing temporary directory: done |
| 20:03.39 | viper | greycat hehe but how do I find it ./. it`s not /dev/scd0 ... it`s connected to my dac960 |
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| 20:03.47 | smithj | LSorensen: what do you mean? |
| 20:03.48 | LSorensen | viper: and that is? |
| 20:03.58 | greycat | viper: dmesg | grep CD |
| 20:04.04 | smithj | LSorensen: for the record, this is a non-debian box, but the package seems to be maintained directly by debaian |
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| 20:04.08 | LSorensen | smithj: well fakeroot lets such things work. |
| 20:04.25 | LSorensen | smithj: well on non debian, I guess fix the makefile to not do that then |
| 20:04.41 | smithj | yeah, that was my idea, but i just wanted to be sure there wasn't a better one |
| 20:04.45 | LSorensen | viper: does a dac960 support scsi cdroms? |
| 20:04.46 | JRWR | LSorensen: it did not work, it whants to scan the IDE cards AFTER mounting root, that wont work |
| 20:04.56 | viper | greycat 1:1 it says .. but I knew that // whic dev is it ? |
| 20:05.04 | LSorensen | JRWR: then your initrd needs to be updated to include your new ide controller. |
| 20:05.14 | viper | LSorensen yes sir .. bios let you even boot from it |
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| 20:05.26 | LSorensen | viper: anything in /dev for that dac960 then? |
| 20:05.29 | greycat | viper: I doubt very much that "dmesg | grep CD" emits only the string "1:1" |
| 20:05.38 | JRWR | LSorensen: how would i do this? |
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| 20:06.05 | LSorensen | JRWR: you can put the drive back in the old machine, then add the driver for the new ide card to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and rebuild the initrd, then move the drive back |
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| 20:06.17 | LSorensen | JRWR: although odd since by default at least sarge installs all the ide drivers it has. |
| 20:06.18 | tcsetattr | viper, look in /proc/scsi/* to see if it showed up there |
| 20:06.21 | viper | greycat thats right it says : DAC960#0: 1:1 vendor etc model etc .. |
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| 20:06.22 | LSorensen | JRWR: what kind of ide card is it? |
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| 20:06.36 | tcsetattr | also, listen to greycat, he knows things... |
| 20:06.41 | greycat | why don't people PASTE the damned output? |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | is it because they're too ignorant to ssh to the linux box? |
| 20:06.57 | LSorensen | greycat: they irc from their windows machine :) |
| 20:06.58 | viper | greycat how can I copy past when I switch screens |
| 20:07.02 | greycat | LSorensen: putty. |
| 20:07.08 | greycat | viper: ssh |
| 20:07.14 | JRWR | here what everest says it is |
| 20:07.17 | JRWR | Device Description |
| 20:07.17 | JRWR | ITE IT8212 ATA RAID Controller |
| 20:07.24 | viper | greycat but I`m on the box.... |
| 20:07.35 | greycat | viper: then you have on excuse |
| 20:07.40 | greycat | s/on/no/ :( |
| 20:07.49 | LSorensen | JRWR: I am fairly sure that is NOT supported in sarge at least. Let me check to be sure. |
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| 20:08.15 | Thanatermesis | :-( unable to PREVENT MEDIA REMOVAL: Operation not permitted |
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| 20:08.36 | tralala | Thanatermesis: are you root? |
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| 20:08.41 | viper | greycat hold on while I type it ... |
| 20:08.42 | Thanatermesis | nope |
| 20:08.50 | tcsetattr | apparently, he never heard of gpm |
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| 20:08.53 | greycat | unbelievable. |
| 20:08.55 | asg | tcsetattr: or screen |
| 20:08.59 | Thanatermesis | need root ? |
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| 20:09.10 | Thanatermesis | :-( growisofs is being executed under sudo, aborting! |
| 20:09.11 | greycat | viper: how can you not be able to do BASIC cut and paste operations? or save results to a file? or exec -o command? or ANYTHING? |
| 20:09.14 | tralala | Thanatermesis: this is why. But you don't have to worry as long as you don't try to remove the disc while burining. |
| 20:09.29 | LSorensen | JRWR: I remember seeing that chip added very recently to the kernel. It is in 2.6.12 for sure. I am trying to see which kernel added it. |
| 20:09.33 | tcsetattr | or /exec -out :) |
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| 20:09.41 | JRWR | its 2.6 |
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| 20:09.47 | greycat | tcsetattr: I omitted the / in exec -o to prevent a flood |
| 20:09.50 | JRWR | g2g |
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| 20:10.26 | viper | greycat tell me how .. This is a 100mhz pc and does not have alot resources |
| 20:10.33 | asg | hahahaha |
| 20:10.33 | greycat | viper: are you in X? |
| 20:10.34 | LSorensen | JRWR: nope. not supported in 2.6.8 |
| 20:10.38 | LSorensen | JRWR: and certainly not 2.4 |
| 20:10.54 | cadu | greycat: nice |
| 20:10.55 | Thanatermesis | tralala but... doesn't works |
| 20:11.04 | cadu | greycat: tinyX ? |
| 20:11.11 | greycat | cadu: no, X. Linux. Slackware, then Debian. |
| 20:11.12 | viper | greycat you can run X on a 100mhz with a genoa 250kb graphic card ? |
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| 20:11.24 | greycat | viper: I have no idea what the graphics card is. |
| 20:11.26 | cadu | greycat: the tinyX X distribution, man :) |
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| 20:11.27 | cadu | !tinyx |
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| 20:11.41 | tralala | Thanatermesis: well, dosn't work is not as descriptive as it might seem |
| 20:11.45 | cadu | greycat: subset of the big whale X/free :) |
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| 20:11.51 | viper | greycat you don`t know the brand genoa ? |
| 20:11.58 | greycat | viper: I'll take that as a "No, I'm on the Linux text console." So use gpm. |
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| 20:12.00 | asg | viper: a form of salami? |
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| 20:12.04 | Thanatermesis | with sudo: |
| 20:12.06 | Thanatermesis | :-( growisofs is being executed under sudo, aborting! |
| 20:12.07 | cadu | viper: or screen |
| 20:12.12 | Thanatermesis | normal: |
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| 20:12.14 | Thanatermesis | :-( unable to PREVENT MEDIA REMOVAL: Operation not permitted |
| 20:12.18 | greycat | or just /exec -o dmesg | grep CD |
| 20:12.23 | greycat | assuming it's no more than 3 lines |
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| 20:12.31 | manu | Can i start a net install from cd which downloads everthing like a floppy install |
| 20:12.34 | Thanatermesis | Executing 'builtin_dd if=/mnt/datos/ISOS/KNOPPIX_V4.0-2005-06-08-LINUXTAG2005-DVD-EN-qemu-0-7-0.iso of=/dev/dvd obs=32k seek=0' |
| 20:12.36 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
| 20:12.44 | viper | asg : hehe well kind of ... but there is a CRT connector on that :P |
| 20:12.45 | Thanatermesis | what are this? record with DD ? |
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| 20:13.02 | greycat | Thanatermesis: ask #knoppix |
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| 20:13.14 | nvz | there is really no such thing as a CRT connector unless you mean a cathode or an annode |
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| 20:13.25 | Thanatermesis | knoppix ? :/ |
| 20:13.51 | viper | greycat hold on i`m apt-getting some |
| 20:14.02 | manu | Can i start a net install from cd which downloads everthing like a floppy install |
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| 20:14.20 | nvz | cathode being the big circular connector that attaches to the back of the CRT and the annode being the big suction cup that attaches to the flyback transformer |
| 20:14.23 | greycat | yeah, everyone knows you can't run dmesg while you're apt-getting. |
| 20:14.23 | viper | greycat btw is it normal for these quantum baracuda scsi hdd`s to get soooo hot ? |
| 20:14.38 | greycat | viper: depends on the RPMs, I'd guess |
| 20:14.55 | abrotman | viper: 10k drive? |
| 20:15.10 | cheal | manu: net install is designed to download packages from the network |
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| 20:15.26 | manu | cheal: It fails too often |
| 20:15.27 | viper | greycat dunno they are old ... when they ran for a while .. you can`t touch them .. euhm ... did scsi already had 10k in their 4gig generation ? |
| 20:15.37 | manu | cheal: what can be done? |
| 20:15.42 | greycat | viper: probably not |
| 20:15.53 | greycat | viper: but look on the drive's sticker, it might say |
| 20:15.54 | cheal | manu: depends what you mean by fail |
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| 20:16.13 | abrotman | viper: i think they did .. but a barracuda probably wouldn't have at 4GB |
| 20:16.20 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, this is the normal format of the DVD isos? 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'KNOPPIX ' (bootable) |
| 20:16.21 | nvz | the only other thing that connects to a CRT is the grounding strap, and maybe the case and a degauss coil |
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| 20:16.38 | greycat | Thanatermesis: we don't support knoppix images here |
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| 20:16.51 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
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| 20:17.11 | Thanatermesis | #knoppix = 23 newbie users without speak |
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| 20:17.21 | asg | Thanatermesis: then use something with speak |
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| 20:17.29 | manu | cheal: trying to retreive package it fails -> debootstrap error couldnt download libsigc++ |
| 20:17.35 | KrimsomBOX | hello, you know the eagle modems? |
| 20:17.41 | greycat | manu: install sarge. then upgrade. |
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| 20:17.45 | viper | abrotman how else can you declare they intense heat |
| 20:17.46 | greycat | manu: installing testing is not supported. |
| 20:17.57 | KrimsomBOX | i can´t setup :( |
| 20:18.01 | abrotman | viper: drives get hot .. it's a fact of life |
| 20:18.03 | bucky | asg, he wonders why he can't dd his knoppix iso onto a dvd |
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| 20:18.31 | greycat | bucky: didn't we already tell him at least twice to use growisofs |
| 20:18.32 | greycat | ? |
| 20:18.34 | nvz | KrimsomBOX: no, maybe you should tell us what is an eagle modem, and what the hell its used for.. then explaing what you are doing and how it doesnt work |
| 20:18.35 | asg | bucky: yes |
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| 20:18.44 | bucky | right |
| 20:19.05 | viper__ | abrotman ok but a a hard drive that CANNOT be picked up if it ran for like 60 minutes .. is not a fact of life .. |
| 20:19.06 | KrimsomBOX | ok |
| 20:19.13 | ded`karma | When I try to start x server, it comes up with an error "No devices detected" so I'm assuming that means my ATI Radeon x800 video card isnt support. download the LINUX X4. 4. 0 driver from www.schneider-digital.de. I make the rpm into a .deb using alien and then I do dpkg -i filename.deb but then I get ANOTHER error. http://channels.debian.net/paste/688 |
| 20:19.13 | nvz | KrimsomBOX: you can start with what you are trying to do. f.e. I am installing debian sarge, I have a 56k dialup modem, gives me an error 'no dial tone'. |
| 20:19.24 | tcsetattr | uh, builtin_dd is the lowlevel part of growisofs. It's builtin to growisofs. |
| 20:19.26 | abrotman | viper__: it's possible .. check the specs at seagate.com |
| 20:19.38 | KrimsomBOX | ok, sorry for my bad english |
| 20:19.40 | KrimsomBOX | :( |
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| 20:19.47 | nvz | KrimsomBOX: what language do you speak? |
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| 20:19.51 | manu | greycat: ok |
| 20:19.52 | KrimsomBOX | i´m from Arg |
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| 20:19.56 | KrimsomBOX | Spanish |
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| 20:19.57 | greycat | ded`karma: that was.... brave. or something. |
| 20:20.01 | nvz | KrimsomBOX: try #debian-br if you speak portuguese |
| 20:20.04 | tralala | !es |
| 20:20.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:20.06 | ded`karma | ? |
| 20:20.21 | KrimsomBOX | but no portuguese |
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| 20:20.40 | nvz | KrimsomBOX: then #debian-es |
| 20:20.46 | KrimsomBOX | thanks ;) |
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| 20:21.10 | nvz | I can speak some spanish but I am not going to. Especially not here |
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| 20:22.22 | nvz | I've thought many times about helping out in other languages but my language skills arent very good despite the many languages and years I have studied.. because I've never actually used them ever |
| 20:22.26 | greycat | y'know what I hate? I hate it when freenode netsplits, and then the bans get re-set by something that erases the info about who originally set the ban, and when. |
| 20:22.39 | nvz | I cant really speak english very well :P |
| 20:22.40 | viper__ | greycat : dmesg zays : DAC960#0: 1:1 Vendor: MATSHITA Model: CD-R CW-7502 Revision: 3.02 |
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| 20:22.57 | greycat | viper__: and you're sure this is a SCSI device according to Linux? |
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| 20:23.16 | greycat | a SCSI CD-ROM normally says things like: |
| 20:23.17 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.17 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.27 | greycat | and: Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi1, channel 0, id 5, lun 0 |
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| 20:23.56 | greycat | I waited several seconds after the first bit. |
| 20:23.58 | viper__ | greycat well I`m know it`s scsi worked for years on my adaptec card ... |
| 20:24.11 | greycat | viper__: so it's NOT on a scsi card right now? |
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| 20:24.30 | viper__ | greycat it`s connected on my DAC960 card .. thats a scsi card right |
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| 20:24.46 | greycat | apparently your kernel doesn't see it that way |
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| 20:25.07 | nvz | I guess I can sit in those other channels and learn from watching people how to communicate better |
| 20:25.15 | tralala | nasty, nasty linux... |
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| 20:25.41 | viper__ | greycat well can I recompile or something ?? cuz the prob is that I have no PCI slots left for another card |
| 20:25.41 | nvz | I used to participate in spanish chats before.. its really the only language I've learned I was ever really comfortable with |
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| 20:26.05 | greycat | viper__: I have no idea how this DAC thing of yours works. |
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| 20:26.31 | tcsetattr | according to Documentation/README.DAC960, the DAC960 driver bypasses the normal linux scsi layer. |
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| 20:26.49 | greycat | el español es una lingua muy bonita |
| 20:26.52 | tralala | viper__: you shouldn't recompile. If it is a scsi card the kernel should know if not even a recompiling wouldn't convice it it's a scsi. |
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| 20:26.56 | typo_ | hi |
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| 20:27.03 | viper__ | greycat it looks pretty advanced .. had hotswap functions onboard you can plug a RAM module.. it`s a hardware scsi raid |
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| 20:27.15 | typo_ | anyone know about kernel bugs that might cause silent cdrom (on PATA) corruption, when there's a SATA drive present on intel ICH5 ? debian installer fails everytime i enable my s-ata harddrive in bios :P |
| 20:27.17 | greycat | viper__: google for it. |
| 20:27.23 | typo_ | (and without it i don't have anything to install on) |
| 20:27.31 | viper__ | tralala but how can I be able to run 4 scsi hard drives in a raid set ... and iot not being a scsi card ? |
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| 20:27.35 | dweazle | small question: gnome 2.12 in debian unstable .. when? :) |
| 20:27.41 | greycat | dweazle: WIR |
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| 20:27.54 | tralala | !wir |
| 20:27.54 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 20:28.31 | tralala | viper__: tcsetattr gave you a hint |
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| 20:28.52 | ded`karma | When I try to start x server, it comes up with an error "No devices detected" so I'm assuming that means my ATI Radeon x800 video card isnt supported. So I download the LINUX X4. 4. 0 drier from www.schneider-digital.de. Then I make the rpm into a .deb using alien and then I do dpkg -i filename.deb but then I get ANOTHER error. http://channels.debian.net/paste/688 |
| 20:29.03 | dweazle | greycat, an indication would be nice .. i have no clue how fast or slow these things go in the debian world |
| 20:29.14 | tcsetattr | I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out there is no Linux driver to support a cdrom connected to the DAC960. |
| 20:29.14 | viper__ | tcsetattr sorry didn`t saw your message .. hmmm so that means scsi doesn`t see it as a scsi card ... heh.. |
| 20:29.15 | roler | what is the difference between xorg and xfree86? Debian testing upgraded me to that and i'm wondering why... |
| 20:29.16 | dweazle | a month? 6 months? |
| 20:29.21 | greycat | dweazle: "on the order of weeks, not days" would be my guess. |
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| 20:29.35 | greycat | dweazle: but I don't run gnome; I *loathe* gnome with a passion; so I don't much care. |
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| 20:29.52 | viper__ | tcsetattr well in kernel menu dAC960 is in de block devices menu not scsi ... is there any way to fix this ? |
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| 20:29.58 | dweazle | greycat, hehe fair enough :) |
| 20:30.01 | eeyore- | greycat: only weeks? |
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| 20:30.06 | greycat | viper__: you could *read* said documentation. |
| 20:30.17 | valdyn | ded`karma: /msg dpkg ati |
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| 20:30.39 | ded`karma | valdyn: been there done that, I downloaded the driver from the site |
| 20:30.43 | tralala | !tell ati -about driver |
| 20:30.53 | valdyn | ded`karma: you messed with an rpm. |
| 20:31.22 | valdyn | ded`karma: that's not the debian way, just removed that aliened package and /msg dpkg ati |
| 20:31.56 | valdyn | !ati |
| 20:31.56 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 20:32.04 | tcsetattr | viper, check out Documentation/README.DAC960, they have tech support phone numbers in there... |
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| 20:32.25 | valdyn | ded`karma: alright, that factiod does suck, use the last given url, flavios site |
| 20:32.29 | maby | Hi all, can someone point me a really good tutorial for speedup Debian/Sarge ? Thanks |
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| 20:32.49 | greycat | maby: 1) install Debian. 2) don't run KDE or GNOME. |
| 20:33.02 | ded`karma | valdyn: yeah, just realized that myself, heh, thanks, appreciate the patience u've had w/ me ;) |
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| 20:34.01 | greycat | dpkg, no, ati is <reply> Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 20:34.01 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 20:34.13 | tralala | maby: what do you want to use it for on what hardware and what isn't fast enough? |
| 20:34.19 | maby | greycat: then, what desktop manager do you suggest ? |
| 20:34.28 | greycat | maby: I use fvwm. you may use anything you like. |
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| 20:34.37 | embrik | trying to find a downloading software to run on my skolelinux, debian |
| 20:34.48 | embrik | any suggestions? |
| 20:34.51 | greycat | !skole |
| 20:34.53 | greycat | !skolelinux |
| 20:34.53 | dpkg | hmm... skolelinux is at http://www.skolelinux.no/, or a derivative of debian for Norwegian schools, supposedly easier to install. We are developing a Linux distribution for schools. Our aim is to make it simple to install and maintain. Furthermore, to be of real use from primary school on up, it should be available in as many local languages as possible. |
| 20:35.04 | valdyn | embrik: downloading what? |
| 20:35.05 | abrotman | yay .. security for testing .. |
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| 20:35.09 | maby | greycat: thanks you |
| 20:35.14 | tralala | embrik: apt-get install wget |
| 20:35.23 | embrik | I'm used to use Limewire. |
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| 20:35.40 | Texou_ | Hi |
| 20:35.57 | nvz | heh my client and terminal isnt really suited for participating in spanish chats right now I need to go utf8 or something I guess |
| 20:36.06 | greycat | embrik: and now you want us to suggest a copyright-overlooking file leeching program for your non-Debian system? |
| 20:36.14 | greycat | !pal embrik |
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| 20:36.28 | Texou_ | I've a service to ask you: please could someone send/paste me his exim.conf to give me an example in order to do my own exim.conf, manually? |
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| 20:36.43 | greycat | Texou_: ask #exim |
| 20:36.44 | asg | Texou_: eximconfig (answer questions) voila! |
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| 20:36.53 | valdyn | Texou_: so, debian does not ship an exim.conf? since when? |
| 20:36.58 | nvz | dpkg, find scriptassist.pl |
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| 20:37.06 | Texou_ | ok I will do that. I didn't know #exim existed |
| 20:37.07 | embrik | my non debian system? I'm on a deban system. That's why I ask you :-) |
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| 20:37.27 | Nemoder | are there any libqt4 backports to sarge yet? |
| 20:37.27 | valdyn | embrik: skolelinux != debian |
| 20:37.29 | asg | embrik: skolelinux is not debian but a derivative |
| 20:37.36 | greycat | !find limewire sid |
| 20:37.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'limewire' (1): (/var/lib/nessus/plugins/limewire_remote_unauth_access.nasl) in admin/nessus-plugins. |
| 20:37.44 | nvz | s/lo/o/ |
| 20:37.44 | roler | what is the difference between xorg and xfree86? Debian testing upgraded me to that and i'm wondering why... |
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| 20:37.50 | greycat | heh |
| 20:37.55 | asg | hahah |
| 20:37.57 | greycat | but isn't limewire just a java app? |
| 20:38.05 | asg | iirc |
| 20:38.10 | krid | How do I tell sarge to switch CapsLock=Control on the console? |
| 20:38.11 | nvz | yeah it is |
| 20:38.14 | m2 | roler: just newer version of the same thing from your point of view |
| 20:38.16 | greycat | so, install java (/msg dpkg java) and then install limewire manually. |
| 20:38.19 | embrik | and so, I can't get help here because I don't know as much as you do? |
| 20:38.20 | valdyn | roler: you could ask google, or just not care, the difference isnt big for users |
| 20:38.33 | roler | hmm |
| 20:38.34 | greycat | when your skolelinux box can't follow dpkg's instructions for java, we shall !pal you a second time. |
| 20:38.40 | roler | i'll ask google |
| 20:38.41 | asg | embrik: you'll get a debian answer (/msg dpkg java) |
| 20:38.42 | roler | thanks |
| 20:38.42 | nvz | looks to me like dpkg just said scriptassist.pl is part of irssi package.. I think thats wrong or I would already have the command /scriptassist |
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| 20:38.56 | embrik | I try to get teachers and principals in the schol to convert from Windows, isn't that enough? |
| 20:39.02 | greycat | embrik: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:39.06 | SmerdyOffice | What is the location of the main executable to start XFree86? |
| 20:39.08 | nvz | I am at irssi.org I can install it manually if its not already in debian somewhere |
| 20:39.12 | asg | embrik: by getting them to use limewire? that's rich. |
| 20:39.13 | greycat | embrik: which teachers are trying to run limewire? |
| 20:39.18 | nvz | just wanted to find out first |
| 20:39.28 | greycat | nvz: of course irssi is in debian. |
| 20:39.29 | krid | SmerdyOffice: which startx |
| 20:39.37 | nvz | greycat: no scriptassist.pl |
| 20:39.39 | valdyn | there probably is an #evangelism channel |
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| 20:39.42 | SmerdyOffice | krid, thanks! |
| 20:39.49 | nvz | greycat: I have irssi-text 0.8.9 iin sarge already |
| 20:39.59 | greycat | griffon:~$ dpkg -L irssi-text | grep assist |
| 20:39.59 | greycat | /usr/share/irssi/scripts/scriptassist.pl |
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| 20:40.34 | valdyn | !find scriptassist.pl |
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| 20:40.39 | valdyn | nvz: irssi-scripts |
| 20:40.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'scriptassist.pl' (1): (/usr/share/irssi/scripts/scriptassist.pl) in net/irssi-snapshot,net/irssi-text. |
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| 20:41.04 | valdyn | ops |
| 20:41.17 | nvz | -!- Irssi: Error in script scriptassist: \n Can't locate LWP/UserAgent.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/nvz/.irssi/scripts \n /usr/share/irssi/scripts /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 \n /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/share/perl/5.8 \n /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 10) line 26. \n BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 10) line 26. |
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| 20:41.37 | nvz | whatever the hell that means |
| 20:41.58 | tcsetattr | LWP/UserAgent.pm would probably come from apt-get install libwww-perl |
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| 20:42.02 | asg | nvz: install libwww-perl |
| 20:42.07 | nvz | ah |
| 20:42.19 | tcsetattr | which is Recommend:ed by irssi-scripts |
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| 20:42.29 | nvz | well wtf does irssi-text come with scriptassist.pl and not depends on libwww-perl |
| 20:42.32 | nvz | thats a bug AFAIC |
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| 20:42.37 | tcsetattr | it Recommends it :) |
| 20:42.40 | asg | nvz: not everyone uses scriptassist.pl |
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| 20:42.57 | nvz | so it fundamentally breaks a part of the package |
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| 20:43.11 | ubuntu | bonsoir |
| 20:43.22 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 20:43.22 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 20:43.24 | tcsetattr | breaking a non-essential feature of the package is what Recommends is for |
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| 20:44.14 | streuner | Where are the spambots? |
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| 20:44.29 | abrotman | streuner: that's what i said last night |
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| 20:44.43 | asg | streuner: RichiH and UdontKnow did some overtime |
| 20:44.50 | SmerdyOffice | OK, I recently upgraded some XWindows-related package, and it asked me which X version I wanted to use, X.org or XFree86. I mistakenly selected X.org. Does anyone know how I can reverse this decision now? |
| 20:45.02 | abrotman | !beer RichiH and UdontKnow |
| 20:45.06 | nvz | tcsetattr: I guess. though my apt-cache show irssi-text doesnt recommend any such thing.. suggest irssi-scripts which would pull it in.. so why the hell isnt it in irssi-scripts or something |
| 20:45.12 | abrotman | RichiH: you're always away ... |
| 20:45.17 | streuner | asg: oh |
| 20:45.23 | miguel_ | where can i see the configuration of my tvcard |
| 20:45.26 | UdontKnow | asg: hehe |
| 20:45.28 | UdontKnow | abrotman: ty |
| 20:45.30 | asg | UdontKnow: :) |
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| 20:45.44 | valdyn | SmerdyOffice: someone said earlier that was qt3 |
| 20:45.49 | nvz | !+recommends irssi-text sarge |
| 20:45.52 | dpkg | irssi-text: has nothing about recommends |
| 20:46.01 | valdyn | SmerdyOffice: god knows which package he really meant =/ |
| 20:46.02 | SmerdyOffice | valdyn, OK. Is there an apt option to reconfigure a package? |
| 20:46.03 | asg | abrotman, streuner: 12:01 < RichiH> with the combined fast kline of the #freenode and #debian spambots, it seems UdontKnow and /me got the IPs they join from atm :) |
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| 20:46.11 | greycat | Suggests: irssi-scripts (>= 2) |
| 20:46.12 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:46.13 | valdyn | SmerdyOffice: dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
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| 20:46.46 | SmerdyOffice | Well, I'll see if it's really qt3. ;) |
| 20:47.00 | streuner | asg: well |
| 20:47.12 | tcsetattr | !recommends irssi-scripts sarge |
| 20:47.14 | angvp | who have apt-get x's lazy ? |
| 20:47.15 | dpkg | irssi-scripts: has nothing about recommends |
| 20:47.16 | angvp | or something.. |
| 20:47.30 | SmerdyOffice | OK, it's definitely not qt3, because there's no such package. :D |
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| 20:47.41 | greycat | angvp: huh? |
| 20:47.42 | angvp | !lazy |
| 20:47.42 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
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| 20:47.59 | TECH | !help |
| 20:48.06 | asg | streuner: ? |
| 20:48.12 | streuner | asg: good |
| 20:48.13 | SmerdyOffice | How can I tell which package is responsible for a particular file? |
| 20:48.20 | greycat | SmerdyOffice: dpkg -S |
| 20:48.22 | asg | streuner: quite |
| 20:48.25 | nvz | TECH: help with what? |
| 20:48.36 | asg | TECH: /msg dpkg help |
| 20:48.36 | streuner | asg: to get of this plague is a wonderful thing |
| 20:48.42 | streuner | asg: rid* |
| 20:48.42 | angvp | greycat, what is the apt-get line to install x server ? |
| 20:48.46 | cadu | ESR wrote a childlish and dumb letter back to M$, what the heck ':'( |
| 20:48.48 | asg | streuner: indeed |
| 20:48.50 | cadu | lost all his credit, probably |
| 20:48.53 | greycat | angvp: x-window-system-core plus whatever else you require |
| 20:48.57 | TECH | !dfind x |
| 20:48.59 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'x' (15 of 2522): abntex ;; abuse-sfx ;; acfax ;; acl2-infix ;; acl2-infix-source ;; acx100-source ;; adduser-plugin-eximconf ;; adduser-plugin-eximconf4 ;; adjtimex ;; advi-examples ;; affix ;; affix-common ;; affix-headers ;; affix-source ;; alex. |
| 20:49.03 | asg | cadu: in some circles, he didn't have any to begin with |
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| 20:49.07 | greycat | TECH: um. |
| 20:49.08 | TECH | !dfind xserver |
| 20:49.10 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xserver' (5): isdnvboxserver ;; obexserver ;; xserver-common ;; xserver-xorg ;; xserver-xorg-dbg. |
| 20:49.16 | cadu | asg: did you read esr's reply ? |
| 20:49.19 | greycat | !stupid answers |
| 20:49.19 | dpkg | Giving someone the literal answer to their stupid question, when you KNOW it will cause them to damage their system, qualifies as a stupid answer. Also, spoon-feeding someone the answer to their FAQ instead of making them read the FAQ just leads them to ask *more* stupid questions; so that's a stupid answer too. |
| 20:49.34 | asg | cadu: I did |
| 20:49.34 | cadu | asg: _what_ was that ? :P |
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| 20:49.48 | Eliteforce | what system requirements does debian sarge have? |
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| 20:49.57 | Rockret | one question, is it a good to make "apt-get install gnome" ? |
| 20:49.58 | asg | cadu: what was what? |
| 20:49.59 | greycat | Eliteforce: 24 MB of RAM, 80486 |
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| 20:50.07 | cadu | asg: too me he's now just a fat old hairy schizophrenic old beer guzzler guy |
| 20:50.11 | greycat | Eliteforce: about 200 MB of disk, not sure precisely |
| 20:50.22 | valdyn | Rockret: good for what? |
| 20:50.24 | SmerdyOffice | Ugh. I'd really like to figure out how to switch back to XFree86. X.org doesn't even start for me. |
| 20:50.25 | Eliteforce | greycat: and cpu speed? |
| 20:50.26 | cadu | asg: that reply....childlish...uncouth..rude...unprofessional... |
| 20:50.30 | Rockret | (with un-stable debs in sources.list) |
| 20:50.31 | greycat | Eliteforce: irrelevant |
| 20:50.34 | asg | cadu: did you ever see him doing martial arts in that crappy A&E documentary a number of years back. The funniest thing I've seen in a long time. |
| 20:50.42 | Eliteforce | greycat: 300mhz? :D |
| 20:50.48 | cadu | asg: i'll search it :) |
| 20:50.48 | greycat | Eliteforce: luxury. |
| 20:50.54 | Rockret | valdyn, to new releases |
| 20:50.58 | cadu | asg: mimmicking martial arts you mean :) |
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| 20:51.08 | cadu | asg: and miserably failing , probably ^^ |
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| 20:51.11 | Eliteforce | greycat: ok good thx |
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| 20:51.23 | asg | cadu: he studies, it's just an odd to watch. |
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| 20:51.50 | valdyn | Rockret: i cant parse that, what do you want to do? you want to install gnome? then apt-get install gnome does just that, just dont expect anything to work at all if you are using unstable |
| 20:51.57 | nvz | I need to setup an email account I got a bunch of bugs to file |
| 20:52.11 | nvz | its 2005 I should be using email by now |
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| 20:52.26 | suica1998 | can you help-me? |
| 20:52.28 | krid | How do I tell sarge to switch CapsLock=Control on the console? |
| 20:52.35 | Rockret | I have gnomeeting 1.2.1 and have new version 1.2.2, but need download 40 Mb |
| 20:52.41 | nvz | krid: consolechars IIRC |
| 20:52.43 | asg | greycat: who was the guy on here that never used mail? lazerus? |
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| 20:52.51 | greycat | asg: might've been |
| 20:52.54 | Rockret | I dont know if ... good one to do that |
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| 20:52.56 | greycat | lazarus, of course... spelling. |
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| 20:53.02 | asg | greycat: ah, that's it |
| 20:53.11 | cadu | greycat: did you post a reply/comment on ESR's mail to microsoft? i'm sure i saw a Greg on the replies ;-) |
| 20:53.15 | cadu | not sure if it was wooledge :) |
| 20:53.17 | greycat | cadu: not I. |
| 20:53.23 | Rockret | anyone here use gnomeeting with cam ? |
| 20:53.25 | cadu | ok, gregcat |
| 20:53.30 | Rockret | curious to see if works |
| 20:53.42 | nvz | oh I used mail many years ago.. when spam started I stopped using email.. that and that Megan girl who was too shy to talk to me in person and wouldnt stop writing personal emails to my debian mailing lists account she found on an ancient ICQ profile of mine |
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| 20:53.51 | suica1998 | I need tutor..Debian, give please |
| 20:53.55 | krid | nvz: that seems to be about displaying characters |
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| 20:54.08 | Rockret | what is good newsreader to X ? |
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| 20:54.17 | asg | nvz: time have changed, you can block mail with reasonable efficiency these days |
| 20:54.18 | nvz | krid: I'm not sure never done those things before |
| 20:54.19 | streuner | asg: someone poke me, i cannot believe this plague has gone forever :-) |
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| 20:54.26 | TECH | !dfind irrsi |
| 20:54.29 | cadu | i've updated my etch instalation but it still shows firefox as 1.0.4 on the about box |
| 20:54.36 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'irrsi' returned no results. |
| 20:54.36 | cadu | sarge's 1.0.4 is really 1.0.6 ? |
| 20:54.36 | tcsetattr | krid, you need to use loadkeys... |
| 20:54.37 | TECH | !dfind irsi |
| 20:54.38 | valdyn | !tell Rockret about polls |
| 20:54.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'irsi' (4): (/usr/include/kde/kdirsize.h) in libdevel/kdelibs4-dev ;; (/usr/share/sip/kde3/kfile/kdirsize.sip) in python/python-kde3-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/ebook-dev-kde20/AbridgedKDEReference/kfile/kdirsize_h.html) in non-free/doc/ebook-dev-kde20 ;; (/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/{kdirsize_8cpp-source.html|kdirsize_8h-source.html}) in doc/kdelibs4-doc. |
| 20:54.47 | asg | TECH: install irssi-text already |
| 20:55.10 | nvz | asg: well in the case of that girl I tried in every way possible not to be ignorant and told her she could talk to me on the phone or in person any time.. but she wouldnt stop emailing me like some kind of stalker |
| 20:55.26 | asg | nvz: that's why we have autoreply.pl |
| 20:55.29 | tcsetattr | krid, I used to use something like this: loadkeys << EOF keycode 58 = Control alt keycode 58 = Control altgr keycode 58 = Control keycode 97 = Caps_Lock EOF ... then I got a Happy Hacking Keyboard :) |
| 20:55.43 | asg | nvz: bonus points for filtering it through eliza or zippy the pinhead. |
| 20:55.45 | nvz | the girl lives right on park avenue in the next town.. I dont know why she couldnt just talk to me intead of being a weirdo |
| 20:55.56 | Py | is supermount included in stock sarge's 2.6.8-2-386 kernel? |
| 20:56.08 | valdyn | Py: no |
| 20:56.39 | asuffield | nvz: because it was a guy? |
| 20:57.03 | spoopin | asg: hi |
| 20:57.17 | green_earz | Rockret: checkout kphone for sip voip |
| 20:57.34 | nvz | asuffield: no I knew her older sister Jen cause my cousin dated her before. though I didnt know Jen had a younger sister. She worked at the grocery store.. I seen here there before. |
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| 20:58.25 | nvz | she's pretty much the same age as me, but like most girls that find and stalk me.. she was deeply distrubed |
| 20:58.51 | Py | valdyn: what kind of automounting tools are available if i've to keep this kernel and if i want to get an usb stick auto-mounted? |
| 20:59.11 | asuffield | nvz: you know creepy people |
| 20:59.11 | Py | valdyn: I mean on sarge, not generally speaking available |
| 20:59.15 | nvz | that was the first and last time I had ever talked to a local girl on the internet |
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| 21:00.25 | Maddox | guten abend! |
| 21:00.33 | nvz | apperently she never seen the movie Cruel Intentions where Sebastian (Ryan Phillipe) says "Email is for geeks and pedophiles..." you like someone you got to be more personal about it |
| 21:00.35 | Eliteforce | there are so many cd images to download, how many do i need for a basic installation? |
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| 21:00.59 | V1k0`` | hello people |
| 21:01.02 | Maddox | hy |
| 21:01.14 | V1k0`` | is there a program dc++ for linux?? |
| 21:01.22 | V1k0`` | for debian I mean |
| 21:01.30 | abrotman | asuffield: how many guys can say "Hey .. i'm a creepy person magnet!" |
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| 21:01.44 | abrotman | !d-i Eliteforce |
| 21:01.45 | dpkg | Eliteforce, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 21:02.10 | asuffield | abrotman: helix. kinda. |
| 21:02.14 | nvz | abrotman: creepy and underage |
| 21:02.19 | V1k0`` | is there a program dc++ for debian?? |
| 21:02.19 | whitehorse1 | Anyone know anything about the #debian-boot channel please?? It's utterly silent in there but has a full list of people :-( |
| 21:02.25 | V1k0`` | does anybody know?? |
| 21:02.28 | poe-t | hi! where do I read what continues to get updated in sarge, and what is not? |
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| 21:02.34 | abrotman | asuffield: that's not a nice thing to say :) |
| 21:02.43 | abrotman | poe-t: security updates mostly |
| 21:02.54 | nvz | abrotman: little girls and creepy older ones always seem to be obsessed with me |
| 21:02.58 | Eliteforce | abrotman: i already found this site, but there are 14 iso images, i dont think they are all required for a normal installation |
| 21:03.02 | abrotman | nvz: you don't like the older women? |
| 21:03.07 | abrotman | Eliteforce: no |
| 21:03.08 | poe-t | abrotman, does mozilla get updated? |
| 21:03.14 | abrotman | Eliteforce: get the 110MB netinst image |
| 21:03.21 | abrotman | poe-t: uhm .. i think it did .. i'm not sure .. why? |
| 21:03.34 | nvz | abrotman: not when they are really strange.. like my friend Charles' mother who is really out there and has like some big crush on me |
| 21:03.40 | poe-t | abrotman, well. it falls into that secuiry category too |
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| 21:03.47 | Eliteforce | abrotman: then i have to download the stuff i need over and over again if i setup other computers ... |
| 21:03.58 | whitehorse1 | I have a critical bug to report with the installer (partman I think) but need help to know what to include but #debian-boot seems utterly silent. :-/ Anybody know anything about the channel please? |
| 21:03.59 | abrotman | poe-t: security.debian.org |
| 21:04.03 | poe-t | thanks |
| 21:04.09 | eeyore- | nvz: deeply disturbed? |
| 21:04.10 | abrotman | Eliteforce: apt-proxy |
| 21:04.12 | nvz | I probably would have liked that Megan if she had not been such a stranger |
| 21:04.14 | eeyore- | nvz: examples? |
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| 21:04.27 | abrotman | nvz: do her .. then don't talk to her for a wihle :) |
| 21:04.37 | eeyore- | nvz: and how "personal" are we talking about? inquiring mind wants to know |
| 21:04.45 | whitehorse1 | can anyone even see me **here** ? ?? |
| 21:04.56 | nvz | eeyore-: well her parents were sick and whatnot.. she couldnt talk to me in person when she lived nearby and we both had cars to see one another.. she would just stalk me online :P |
| 21:04.57 | V1k0`` | abrotman: can you help me? |
| 21:05.04 | nvz | she had "issues" |
| 21:05.07 | abrotman | whitehorse1: they sleep sometimes |
| 21:05.08 | chx | hi. what distribution is a) apt-get based b) small and quick? No Gnome, no KDE, the machine is a 10" Toshiba notebook with a Celeron 400, though with ample (192Mbyte) RAM. |
| 21:05.23 | abrotman | V1k0``: not that i know of .. apt-cache search distcc ? |
| 21:05.27 | deadcat | chx: base isntall. |
| 21:05.28 | caphuso | chx: debian |
| 21:05.32 | abrotman | chx: DSL |
| 21:05.32 | chx | lol |
| 21:05.41 | chx | damn small linux is debian based? |
| 21:05.42 | chx | good news. |
| 21:05.43 | abrotman | chx: but debian will work just fine |
| 21:05.46 | whitehorse1 | abrotman: Quite. :-/ Sadly, it seems they sleep in unison and/or reside in a single timezone. |
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| 21:05.49 | talisein | chx: debian. just don't install x |
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| 21:05.58 | abrotman | chx: i'd go with debian .. that laptop is enogh to run blackbox easily |
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| 21:06.08 | chx | I need X in some form, icewm or xfce , 'cos I need (open)office or sg liek that |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | whitehorse1: or they're waiting for the other horsemen |
| 21:06.27 | whitehorse1 | abrotman: "horsemen" ? |
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| 21:06.31 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: change your name to "white pony" and you might get response |
| 21:06.32 | abrotman | chx: then use debian .. use blackbox/xfce/ion/fluxbox(anything but gnome/kde/E) |
| 21:06.43 | nvz | eeyore-: if a girl likes me I expect her to at least show me "personally" even if its a shy smile.. instead of blowing up my email that is already subscribed to high-volume mailing lists and I've asked her nicely multiple times to stop using it for personal coneversation we could have easily taken to the phone, or the fuckin park right across the street from her house or anywhere for that matter |
| 21:06.55 | chx | blackbox? ion? fluxbox? whao. never heard of these |
| 21:06.56 | whitehorse1 | eeyore: sarcasm? or d'you mean they'll think I'm female then and reply? :-/ |
| 21:06.57 | abrotman | whitehorse1: you need to file a bug .. use reportbug .. or draft an email .. bugs.debian.org shows a few ways to report a bug |
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| 21:07.15 | chx | abrotman: is there a good comparison of these? |
| 21:07.17 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: you gotta do what you gotta do :-) |
| 21:07.26 | abrotman | chx: yes .. you install them all and try them :) |
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| 21:07.35 | abrotman | chx: honestly .. i'd go with blackbox or xfce |
| 21:07.44 | Detonator | can anyone help me to install gcc im noob in linux plz =D |
| 21:07.51 | abrotman | !b-e Detonator |
| 21:07.52 | dpkg | Detonator: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 21:07.52 | chx | abrotman: sure. |
| 21:07.54 | abrotman | !win me |
| 21:07.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 21:08.13 | abrotman | chx: blackbox is *very* light .. xfce is a little fatter .. but still fast |
| 21:08.30 | Detonator | abrotman how i install that? |
| 21:08.41 | krid | Detonator: aptitude install gcc |
| 21:08.46 | abrotman | Detonator: apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:08.52 | Detonator | ty |
| 21:08.53 | Detonator | =D |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | krid: bad answer |
| 21:09.04 | krid | abrotman: he wants gcc only |
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| 21:09.30 | abrotman | krid: and he won't be able to compile anything .. |
| 21:09.38 | krid | abrotman: {D |
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| 21:10.06 | eeyore- | abrotman: no? |
| 21:10.10 | krid | abrotman: You are right. Detonator: follow his advice |
| 21:10.13 | eeyore- | abrotman: not anything? :-) |
| 21:10.18 | Slant_Laptop | Does anyone here know how to convert an EPS to a PDF, properly scaled up to the page size? |
| 21:10.25 | abrotman | eeyore-: ok .. helloworld will compile ... |
| 21:10.31 | Detonator | ok krid |
| 21:10.40 | Detonator | ty krid & abrotman |
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| 21:10.50 | eeyore- | Slant_Laptop: use (one of) pdf library, embed eps to the page |
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| 21:10.52 | abrotman | !depends build-essential |
| 21:10.52 | Maddox | german here ? |
| 21:10.54 | dpkg | build-essential: depends on libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.0), g++ (>= 4:4.0), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5) |
| 21:10.55 | abrotman | !de |
| 21:10.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 21:10.57 | eeyore- | Slant_Laptop: there are pdf libs for c, perl, etc. |
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| 21:11.19 | abrotman | !poets |
| 21:11.24 | abrotman | *sniff* |
| 21:11.51 | Slant_Laptop | eeyore-: Do you have a suggestion for one I can use? |
| 21:11.56 | Eliteforce | where can i see full realease notes of sarge? :P |
| 21:12.04 | abrotman | Eliteforce: debian.org |
| 21:12.31 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/ |
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| 21:13.09 | krid | cu |
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| 21:14.07 | eeyore- | Slant_Laptop: i use the one for php |
| 21:14.10 | abrotman | don't blame me! |
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| 21:14.42 | asuffield | abrotman did it |
| 21:14.45 | helix | abrotman: it's not your fault he's in love with me |
| 21:14.47 | abrotman | asuffield: did not! |
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| 21:15.17 | helix | abrotman: but he proved the point that I attract creepy people :) |
| 21:15.22 | abrotman | helix: you call it what you want .. but after he said that you can say "Hey .. I attract creepy people" .. doesn't say much about him |
| 21:15.24 | abrotman | helix: :) |
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| 21:16.30 | asuffield | helix: how many fanboys have you had asking to sign your key now? :P |
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| 21:17.22 | helix | asuffield: I got physical mail from one fanboy |
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| 21:17.29 | helix | that was new |
| 21:17.33 | asuffield | good grief |
| 21:17.43 | helix | he sent me a cd and a two page (typed) letter |
| 21:17.44 | beardy | helix: what have you done? |
| 21:17.55 | helix | beardy: nothing |
| 21:17.56 | dli | is ntfsresizer in the sarge installation CD? |
| 21:17.59 | abrotman | helix: the letter said .. waht exactly? |
| 21:18.06 | helix | abrotman: that I changed his life |
| 21:18.08 | helix | frogs <3 |
| 21:18.14 | abrotman | helix: damn .. you must be good |
| 21:18.31 | abrotman | helix: dare i ask how you changed his life? |
| 21:18.33 | helix | abrotman: should I remind you that I've never met this person? |
| 21:18.47 | helix | abrotman: I don't remember what the letter said |
| 21:18.49 | abrotman | helix: ok .. now you're getting pretty creepy .. do you actually know who it is ? |
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| 21:18.53 | asuffield | then scan it and put it on the net |
| 21:18.59 | abrotman | yes .. scan it! |
| 21:19.03 | helix | abrotman: uh, no -- he said he emailed me and that I never replied |
| 21:19.08 | helix | but I don't have email from him |
| 21:19.14 | abrotman | helix: kawfee? |
| 21:19.35 | helix | too literate to be kawfee |
| 21:19.41 | helix | but could be, I suppose |
| 21:19.43 | eeyore- | helix: why would someone mail you a letter saying you changed his life? |
| 21:19.47 | beardy | helix: how did he get your physical adress? He'll be knocking on your door tomorrow ;) |
| 21:19.51 | helix | eeyore-: how would I know? |
| 21:19.56 | helix | beardy: whois I presume :) |
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| 21:20.25 | eeyore- | helix: you changed someone's life in mysterious ways? |
| 21:20.26 | abrotman | helix: yes .. you attract weird people .. |
| 21:20.43 | abrotman | next thing you know toresbe will be living under your stairs ... |
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| 21:21.09 | faigo | why my reiserfs get so slow after a several times hard reboot. |
| 21:21.15 | helix | abrotman: I met toresbe |
| 21:21.16 | abrotman | it's reiser |
| 21:21.19 | helix | that would be less creepy |
| 21:21.19 | abrotman | helix: i know you did |
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| 21:21.34 | eeyore- | faigo: try to reiserfsck it ... and cry |
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| 21:21.53 | beardy | What is good about reiserfs? |
| 21:21.53 | helix | eeyore-: please do not ask me to comment on the insanity of my fanboys |
| 21:21.58 | abrotman | beardy: nothing |
| 21:21.59 | deadcat | beardy: it works |
| 21:22.00 | m2 | abrotman: as long as he doesn't live under a bridge it's ok (and as long as it's helix's stairs) |
| 21:22.10 | eeyore- | helix: what must i do to become one of your fanboys? |
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| 21:22.19 | helix | eeyore-: become pathetic? |
| 21:22.19 | gravity | Heh... X.org also in experimental :-) |
| 21:22.25 | helix | xorg EVERYWHERE |
| 21:22.29 | abrotman | m2: if there were a PDP under the bridge ... he'd do it |
| 21:22.30 | helix | gravity: does it feel GREAT? |
| 21:22.39 | m2 | gravity: 6.9? |
| 21:22.41 | gravity | TOTALLY |
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| 21:22.46 | abrotman | rc0 |
| 21:22.48 | gravity | m2: Yep :-) |
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| 21:22.53 | eeyore- | helix: is there a website i can read up about you? just to become familiar, you know, nothing like i'm gonna stalk you or anything. |
| 21:22.58 | helix | no |
| 21:23.04 | m2 | gravity: ah, nice, now I can go test that thing that didn't work yesterday... |
| 21:23.13 | gravity | m2: Sweet |
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| 21:23.21 | gravity | That reminds me... I need to mail -x |
| 21:23.23 | faigo | eeyore, i tried reiserfsck and now improve. I am planing to change to xfs. |
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| 21:23.40 | helix | faigo: you tried reiserfsck and had data afterwards? |
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| 21:23.59 | abrotman | helix: still only Max left? |
| 21:24.06 | dli | what's the easiest way to resize ntfs and install debian? |
| 21:24.08 | helix | yeah, just my little maxi-kun |
| 21:24.27 | m2 | gravity: did it just hit the archive? |
| 21:24.37 | gravity | m2: It should have. I uploaded it this morning. |
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| 21:25.29 | faigo | helix, there is no error report in reiserfsck. everything seems fine expect the speed. |
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| 21:25.59 | abrotman | except |
| 21:26.55 | faigo | s/expect/except |
| 21:27.10 | m2 | hmm... not in the mirrors yet... |
| 21:27.12 | faigo | except |
| 21:27.12 | beardy | What is wrong with ext3? |
| 21:27.21 | deadcat | beardy: nothing |
| 21:28.22 | beardy | or perhaps not that bad.. for others to decide I guess.. |
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| 21:29.38 | gesker | Is there a file system for linux that prevents storage of duplicate files? Perhaps for use with an email system where folks send out the same attachment to many users.. |
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| 21:30.43 | beardy | gesker: Teach the people to put the file up on a webserver and send the url instead? |
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| 21:31.31 | abrotman | gesker: ask the channel for your chosen SMTP server |
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| 21:34.35 | beardy | !away |
| 21:34.35 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. |
| 21:34.49 | toresbe | To live under the bridge I'd at least want a PDP-10 |
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| 21:36.30 | gesker | no way to handle this at the fs level? |
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| 21:37.07 | Gathond | gesker: you do realise that it would imply searching through all files to see if there is an identical one at each filewrite? |
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| 21:37.30 | Gathond | gesker: you could probably do it in the MTA by using hardlinks though |
| 21:37.41 | caphuso | hardly |
| 21:38.11 | Gathond | caphuso: as I understood him he wanted a filesystem where its impossible to have 2 files containing the same data |
| 21:38.25 | pants9 | what in the world |
| 21:38.28 | Gathond | that would at least require some MD5 sum like thing of each file |
| 21:38.50 | caphuso | Gathond: e.g. for attachments. but those are inside the files with the mail body, so two different mails with the same stuff attached will be in two different files |
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| 21:39.10 | pants9 | gesker, does it have to be for the entire filesystem? |
| 21:39.13 | pants9 | why not just one folder |
| 21:39.17 | pants9 | er, directory |
| 21:39.43 | Gathond | caphuso: yes, but I understood that as if multiple people recieved the exact same email, in what case it could (depending on mail system) be the excat same data in the file |
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| 21:40.22 | Gathond | but the headers would probably not be the same either |
| 21:40.23 | caphuso | Gathond: the headers would be different |
| 21:40.41 | Gathond | caphuso: you could change that :) if you want an MTA to do this :) |
| 21:40.52 | Gathond | not that its a good idea |
| 21:40.59 | gesker | I heard that there is a way to change ntfs to use "hard links" to do something similar. (Haven't tried it) If there was something similar for debian I like to try it out. |
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| 21:41.43 | gesker | I would imagine there would be a good bit of overhead required |
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| 21:42.14 | Gathond | gesker: if its the same hardlink concept as in unix, most linux filesystems (probably all) has supported that since ... like forever, but that does not as such solve your problem, unless you find an MTA designed to do it |
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| 21:42.43 | eeyore- | Gathond: there are still going to be many corner cases. what about cat'ing a file <n> twice to produce <n><n>, is that considered "2*<n>" or something entirely different? |
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| 21:42.46 | beardy | gesker: It would, as been said, have to scan the entire filesystem very often for it to work, and that would slow things down to unusable I would guess. |
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| 21:43.11 | Gathond | gesker: but note that the attachment is generally not stored as a file, but as a part of the email, and as caphuso said even if 2 users recieve the same email the headers would differ, so the actuall file the filesystem sees would differ |
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| 21:43.14 | Gathond | eeyore-: yes |
| 21:43.15 | Fleck | valknut: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) but it is not going to be install |
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| 21:43.17 | Fleck | help |
| 21:43.34 | gesker | Did plan9 do something simlar. Good point about the header changing the mail file. |
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| 21:44.21 | Gathond | gesker: you might make a mail system detecting the attachments, storing the files somewhere and inserting a link into the email instead |
| 21:44.21 | micka | who add export PATH and LD PATH in debian /etc/profile ? |
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| 21:44.59 | Gathond | Fleck: sid? |
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| 21:45.24 | Fleck | sid? |
| 21:45.30 | Gathond | Fleck: do you use sid` |
| 21:45.38 | Fleck | what is sid :) ? |
| 21:45.47 | Fleck | i use Debian Sarge |
| 21:45.48 | Gathond | Fleck: unstable |
| 21:45.51 | Fleck | yep |
| 21:45.54 | piaf | re hellp |
| 21:45.56 | piaf | hello |
| 21:45.56 | Gathond | so not sarge then |
| 21:45.57 | Fleck | unstable |
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| 21:46.22 | Gathond | Fleck: Im pretty sure that library is part of the whole GCC going to 4.x mess of the C++ ABI |
| 21:46.23 | piaf | is someone able to help me about wifi and wpa ???? |
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| 21:46.40 | Gathond | Fleck: so the realistic option is probably to wait for an updated version |
| 21:46.40 | Fleck | Gathond so i need to install gcc? |
| 21:46.47 | Fleck | ohh |
| 21:47.03 | piaf | am I invisible ? |
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| 21:47.31 | Ronin | piaf: yes you are |
| 21:47.50 | Gathond | Fleck: no, but unstable is somewhat a mess as C++ applications and libbraries breaks between the 2 gcc versions, so until everything is using gcc 4.x soem stuff is broken, and Im pretty sure that libqt3c102-mt is included there |
| 21:47.54 | piaf | Ronin: i see that, how fun is that !!! |
| 21:48.24 | Fleck | Gathond what do i do now? i need valknut :) |
| 21:48.33 | Gathond | piaf: consided the option that no one is able to help you with that (at least at the moment) |
| 21:48.49 | Gathond | Fleck: you could try installing libqt3c... and see what it says |
| 21:48.58 | Gathond | Fleck: my guess it it will remove alot of stuff |
| 21:49.18 | Fleck | yep it will - i tried... |
| 21:49.37 | Ronin | or that you havent statted the problem |
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| 21:49.53 | piaf | Gathond: thank you, an answer is most usefull than one hundred persons muted |
| 21:49.58 | Gathond | Fleck: my advice is to wait until its fixed |
| 21:50.14 | Fleck | and when that will be? ;( |
| 21:50.22 | Gathond | Fleck: good question :) |
| 21:50.31 | Fleck | ... |
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| 21:50.34 | Gathond | Fleck: when the maintainer updates it |
| 21:50.45 | Fleck | ehh ok thanks for response anyway |
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| 21:51.07 | Gathond | Fleck: Im really not in a position to say, you could try to get a source package and compile a .deb yourself, if you know what you are doing |
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| 21:51.46 | Gathond | piaf: it just adds so much noise if everyone needs to be told that at first:) so the consensus is if no one answers probably no one currently here knows |
| 21:52.58 | Ronin | piaf: did you say what the problem was other then i have a problem with wifi and wpa? |
| 21:53.21 | micka | env-update in ebian ? |
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| 21:53.51 | piaf | Ronin: see ur logs ... about 2mn ago |
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| 21:54.07 | beardy | piaf: To get an answer, you have to ask a question that can be answered. The more specific and well formulated, the easier it is for someone to asnwer it. |
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| 21:54.30 | piaf | beardy: same answer as Ronin |
| 21:54.32 | Ronin | ahh fair enough piaf, may have to wait a bit though timezones, no one in who knows etc... |
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| 21:54.47 | micka | how add PATH in my $PATH |
| 21:55.23 | Detonator | abrotman |
| 21:55.28 | Detonator | krid |
| 21:55.33 | micka | PATH="/mnt/gentoo/usr/bin in /etc/profile not work |
| 21:55.34 | beardy | piaf: which one? "is someone able to help me about wifi and wpa ????" or "am I invisible ?" |
| 21:55.40 | Gathond | piaf: they want a more specific question to help with than just the topic you want help with :) |
| 21:55.51 | piaf | beardy no a little bit before |
| 21:56.17 | Gathond | piaf: the other is like asking for help with your ford car and no other information:) |
| 21:56.21 | beardy | piaf: The only ones I have in my scrollback. |
| 21:56.24 | asg | spoopin: hiay |
| 21:56.36 | Gathond | piaf: I see nothing else between you joining and now, but those 2 questions |
| 21:57.05 | piaf | okok the question was : does someone know if there is a howto or some configuration instructions for setting up wpa and wifi on a ad-hoc connexion |
| 21:57.19 | piaf | Gathond: maybe because i re-joined |
| 21:57.36 | beardy | piaf: Google knows. |
| 21:57.57 | Gathond | piaf: still cant see anything from before that and to 40 min ago (log ends there) |
| 21:58.55 | piaf | Gathond: so accept my excuses |
| 21:59.12 | Gathond | piaf: sure |
| 21:59.26 | piaf | beardy: google did'nt gave me any consistent answer |
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| 21:59.48 | beardy | piaf: When googling, spell the word "connection" "coneection". |
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| 22:00.41 | piaf | beardy: maybe i'm stupid and this is just impossible, or maybe i'm the only one wanting to do that, but google after 2 hours spent searching .... |
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| 22:01.35 | mcool | hi could someone help me setting up proftpd |
| 22:01.42 | asg | mcool: #proftpd |
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| 22:01.42 | piaf | didnt gave me anything (and connexion is the french word sorry ...) |
| 22:02.10 | asg | mcool: there's also the proftpd-doc package for your reading pleasure |
| 22:02.25 | beardy | piaf: I'm not entirely sure what you mean by ad-hoc connection, could you explain that? Is it a conecction that is only available sometimes, or..? |
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| 22:02.53 | cadu | i've updated and upgraded (i'm on etch) ...why my firefox is still 1.0.4 ? |
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| 22:03.22 | cadu | (it says on the about ... 1.0.4.....debian package 1.0.4-2) |
| 22:03.42 | bomb | who the hell goes to bed right after lunch? |
| 22:03.51 | bomb | yo i got a Q |
| 22:04.07 | bomb | i have another soundcard, exactly the same as the one in this box |
| 22:04.14 | piaf | beardy: it's a type of connexion : wifi adapters can work in several "modes" and ad-hoc is here something like peer to peer if i understood well |
| 22:04.20 | bomb | am i going to be able to stick it in and use it? |
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| 22:04.39 | beardy | piaf: ok |
| 22:04.46 | bomb | all the docs i am finding about running multiple soundcards pertain to using on-board sound and an actual soundcard |
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| 22:05.00 | piaf | the problem here is to securize connections between 2 computers with Wifi Protected Access |
| 22:05.37 | asg | piaf: just use ssh + pppd and forget trying to encrypt wireless, just encrypt the traffic between the endpoints. Much easier, less headaches. |
| 22:05.39 | piaf | and more precisely to configure the adapter (rt-2500 chip) |
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| 22:06.34 | piaf | asg : this work perfect for unices, but i don't think that other systems are able to support such encryption methods |
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| 22:07.05 | cadu | bomb: what's your issue on using 2 soundcards ? |
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| 22:07.29 | bomb | cadu: no issue yet, i want to know if it is possible on sarge, using alsa of course |
| 22:07.47 | bomb | i have this app called mixxx, it's for mixing digital audio files |
| 22:07.50 | evil_andy | I have another BIND question: If I do say "host google.com" it times out 90% of the time the first time I do it, but afterwards, it actually comes up with the name. any ideas why? I don't have any forwarders |
| 22:07.53 | Ward | When in a some ssh sessions, with commands with exceeds one line, the terminal doesnt start a new line but overwrites the existing line, any idea what I can do about that? |
| 22:07.59 | asg | piaf: if a system can't run an sshd and pppd, it really isn't worth messing with. You might look at OpenVPN for more compatibility. |
| 22:08.02 | bomb | it is capable of using two soundcards, one for right and one for left channel |
| 22:08.03 | cadu | bomb: or course it is , why wouldn't it ? |
| 22:08.26 | bomb | well what is going to happen, is it going to load one module for both cards or what? |
| 22:08.33 | bomb | i can't find _any_ good docs on it |
| 22:09.24 | bomb | every doc i have read talks about using on-board sound along with your actual soundcard and that is not what i want to do |
| 22:09.38 | cadu | bomb: it's the same thing man |
| 22:09.45 | cadu | bomb: 2 soundcards, one is onboard |
| 22:09.45 | bomb | i want to run two of the exact same card |
| 22:09.59 | cadu | bomb: you'll have to load the module and wait for it to detect the cards |
| 22:10.02 | cadu | it'll do it :) |
| 22:10.07 | beardy | piaf: Here is one, don't know how much you can get out of it though, http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
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| 22:10.11 | bomb | ok cool, that's what i wanted to know |
| 22:10.14 | bomb | cheers |
| 22:10.18 | cadu | bomb: modprobe mycard |
| 22:10.31 | cadu | bomb: found card at 8293213xx8xx98928398eu9as [1] |
| 22:10.39 | cadu | bomb: found card at 18237982309123123 12 312321321 [2] |
| 22:10.49 | cadu | bomb: DWBH |
| 22:11.37 | piaf | beardy: thanks i'll see that right now |
| 22:11.57 | asg | evil_andy: do you have a bogus or broken nameserver entry before the one that actually works in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 22:12.24 | cadu | question : i'm on etch(testing)....already read "sarge firefox" on dpkg....why my firefox isn't 1.0.6 then ? |
| 22:12.31 | cadu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.33 | evil_andy | asg, nope, the only entry in /etc/resolve.conf is nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:12.35 | cadu | ???? |
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| 22:12.48 | asg | !info mozilla-firefox testing |
| 22:12.52 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
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| 22:12.59 | asg | evil_andy: and you are running a nameserver on localhost? |
| 22:13.06 | cadu | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
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| 22:13.10 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 22:13.18 | asg | cadu: looks like 1.0.6 isn't in testing |
| 22:13.29 | cadu | asg : what's the matter with "/msg dpkg sarge firefox" ? |
| 22:13.52 | cadu | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 22:13.58 | evil_andy | asg, yeah |
| 22:14.03 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-4 (sid), Packaged size: 7442 kB, Installed size: 21012 kB |
| 22:14.10 | asg | cadu: sarge firefox is probably a backport link, testing doesn't have backports. |
| 22:14.22 | asg | evil_andy: does dig @localhost google.com have the same problem? |
| 22:14.23 | cadu | so i'm done ? :( |
| 22:14.32 | cadu | asg: but it should work ? |
| 22:14.34 | evil_andy | asg, that's what's the problem, it SHOULD work out of the box for that right? and all i've added is a single zone for myself |
| 22:14.39 | evil_andy | asg, lemme check |
| 22:14.40 | asg | cadu: well, you could. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:15.11 | asg | evil_andy: not necessarily. It depends on the nameserver and config. Any implementation details should be listed in /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* |
| 22:15.26 | asg | evil_andy: also, #dns might be able to troubleshoot the odd issues we can't here. |
| 22:16.10 | evil_andy | asg, thanks, it's BIND9 from debian 3.1 |
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| 22:16.49 | asg | what I would give for 10hr laptop batteries |
| 22:17.30 | evil_andy | asg, I was under the impression that bind9 that came with debian was set up to query the root nameservers for anything it wasn't authoritative for. |
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| 22:18.07 | evil_andy | and basically if I do host google.com it won't work, but if I do it again right afterwards it works. and then works from then on (I assume due to caching) |
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| 22:18.45 | Skaag | should I expect critical trouble installing oracle 10 on my debian boxen? |
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| 22:19.00 | Skaag | (Debian is not listed in their tested distros) |
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| 22:19.03 | kendrick | hookay :) |
| 22:19.09 | resiak | !oracle |
| 22:19.10 | kendrick | so debian/etch upgraded me from XF86 to Xorg |
| 22:19.13 | resiak | :( |
| 22:19.19 | kendrick | now, uh... i have no X :) |
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| 22:19.24 | evil_andy | asg, would setting up a forwarder (my school DNS server) help things do you think? |
| 22:19.39 | ded`karma | quick question: whats the command to stop/restart the X server? |
| 22:19.47 | Skaag | kendrick: I messaged dpkg about it but it's lagged or down |
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| 22:19.56 | kendrick | ded`karma - are you using a Display Manager like KDM, XDM or GDM? |
| 22:19.57 | Skaag | ded`karma: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
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| 22:20.02 | kendrick | if so, you ... yeah, what Skaag said :) |
| 22:20.06 | evil_andy | asg, to me it sounds like maybe it's timing out while going trapsing through the DNS servers one by one |
| 22:20.14 | evil_andy | could I be right? |
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| 22:20.23 | ded`karma | yea, im using gdm, so im assuming it would be /etc/init.d/gdm restart? |
| 22:20.29 | Skaag | yah |
| 22:20.30 | kendrick | ded`karma - yep |
| 22:20.33 | ded`karma | kk, thanks |
| 22:20.36 | kendrick | Skaag - so your X is borked, too? |
| 22:20.38 | Skaag | dpkg is dead :-( |
| 22:20.44 | resiak | dpkg: test |
| 22:20.44 | dpkg | Yes, resiak, you're still online. |
| 22:20.46 | Skaag | kendrick: I don't need X... ;-) |
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| 22:20.48 | deadcat | hey bill |
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| 22:20.49 | resiak | No, he's not. |
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| 22:21.02 | Skaag | weird |
| 22:21.04 | Skaag | !oracle |
| 22:21.06 | kendrick | hey |
| 22:21.13 | kendrick | dpgk: Xorg |
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| 22:21.16 | resiak | Skaag: He doesn't have an oracle factiod. |
| 22:21.20 | Skaag | when I ask a question it usually says if there's no answer |
| 22:21.20 | kendrick | !Xorg |
| 22:21.20 | dpkg | well, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now in unstable. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 22:21.23 | kendrick | whoo! |
| 22:21.27 | Skaag | heh |
| 22:21.42 | fando | how do I grep for a line starting with +++? -re "^\+\+\+" don't work :( |
| 22:21.46 | resiak | Skaag: No, he doesn't. Not any more. |
| 22:21.55 | deadcat | fando: grep -- "---xxx=++" |
| 22:21.55 | Skaag | ok then, dear fellow debianers, any of you managed to get the latest oracle db up and running on debian? |
| 22:22.04 | fando | hm, wll try |
| 22:22.05 | Skaag | resiak: figures... |
| 22:22.08 | ferris_ | have any of you compiled 2.6.13 kernel yet? |
| 22:22.21 | cbr | can i somehow force apt-get to overwrite files? |
| 22:22.27 | zinx | ferris_: No, no one. Not a single person. |
| 22:22.28 | deadcat | ferris_: no. but i bet you can compile it just like the rest of the kernels |
| 22:22.29 | cbr | when it fails saying that some other package owns those files |
| 22:22.35 | Skaag | ferris_: latest I compiled was 2.6.11 cuz that's what I found sources for in the debian channel |
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| 22:22.43 | resiak | cbr: man dpkg |
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| 22:22.47 | marmot | hi |
| 22:22.50 | resiak | Skaag: Channel spam. Oh, and blootbot appears to have a bug that prevents those answers even when you want them. |
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| 22:23.14 | Skaag | resiak: blootbot seems to be in a mess anyway |
| 22:23.16 | ferris_ | Skaag, did make-kpkg work for you? |
| 22:23.26 | Skaag | ferris_: with 2.6.11 of course it did |
| 22:23.27 | kendrick | so shoot... i want my X back!!! :) |
| 22:23.36 | resiak | Skaag: IWW? |
| 22:23.37 | cadu | what kernel patches are applied in debian's kernel tree ? |
| 22:23.38 | Skaag | ferris_: That's the only way I compile my kernels |
| 22:23.53 | fando | aha, -E works, grep -E "^\+\+\+" diff.patch |
| 22:23.53 | cadu | the vanilla kernel is buggy or worse ? |
| 22:23.53 | ferris_ | it did not work for me |
| 22:23.56 | Skaag | resiak: well I installed it and most of its cooler plugins don't really work, but they were also not cleaned up |
| 22:24.02 | resiak | Skaag: So fix them ? |
| 22:24.03 | kendrick | oooh |
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| 22:24.08 | kendrick | it's trying to use my on-board SIS chip |
| 22:24.09 | kendrick | grr |
| 22:24.13 | resiak | Skaag: My blootbot runs just fine! :) |
| 22:24.16 | Skaag | resiak: Good idea ;-) |
| 22:24.20 | dli | any easy way to increase the entropy for /dev/random ? |
| 22:24.25 | ferris_ | it is the first time that i am compiling the kernel |
| 22:24.33 | Skaag | ferris_: Usually is something you'r doing wrong... |
| 22:24.47 | Skaag | ferris_: I have a fairly simple shell script (two lines) that makes my kernel package |
| 22:24.50 | deadcat | dli: echo 1 > /dev/random |
| 22:24.53 | marmot | i was playing video files and all of the sudden mplayer started to shoy bluescreen instead of the picture, no matter what movie I was playing, even the same files I was watching seconds ago... it only happens while using -vo xv. what could be the problem? |
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| 22:24.59 | evil_andy | asg, forwarders fixed it. thanks |
| 22:25.28 | ferris_ | ok, i will look at what i did before to see if i may have messed up... |
| 22:25.34 | kendrick | woot! |
| 22:25.36 | kendrick | all fixed. :) |
| 22:25.37 | Skaag | ferris_: wanna see my lines? |
| 22:25.41 | ferris_ | sure |
| 22:25.42 | kendrick | thx anyway :) |
| 22:25.43 | cadu | marmot : buggy XV architeture, really |
| 22:25.46 | dli | deadcat, how would that help? freenet reads a lot from /dev/random |
| 22:26.00 | deadcat | dli: oh. no clue. |
| 22:26.00 | marmot | cadu: what can I do with it, then? |
| 22:26.01 | Xylron | CAdu: the patches aplied to the debian kernel are the ones in kernel-patch-debian-* |
| 22:26.02 | cadu | marmot: or (really) a problem with your drivers |
| 22:26.10 | Skaag | line 1: make-kpkg --revision `date --iso` --append-to-version "-skaag" --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot clean |
| 22:26.14 | cadu | marmot: use the GL or x11 or some other output |
| 22:26.39 | Skaag | line 2: make-kpkg --revision `date --iso` --append-to-version "-skaag" --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
| 22:26.45 | dli | deadcat, each time, I just do "apt-get update", it helps a little |
| 22:26.46 | Skaag | ferris_: that's all really |
| 22:27.03 | mcool | i have tried reading through the docs and i cant seam to login in to my ftp sever |
| 22:27.03 | ferris_ | thanks |
| 22:27.09 | marmot | they're to slow, but the real problem is, that I wouldn't be able to sleep if I'd just deal with it |
| 22:27.29 | newbdeb | Skaag: Hi. I having troubleinstalling a module due to kernel source location. can u help me? |
| 22:27.40 | dli | does sarge installation support ntfs resizing? |
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| 22:28.00 | dli | newdeb which module? |
| 22:28.26 | newbdeb | ipw2100 |
| 22:28.27 | resiak | dli: Yes. |
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| 22:28.38 | mcool | from my understanding any system accounts bar the ones in ftp access can login in |
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| 22:28.42 | mcool | but that is no the case |
| 22:28.56 | newbdeb | Skaag: sorry. ipw2100 |
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| 22:29.19 | myren | for some reason when i do dhcp on my wireless, its getting an address from the wired interface. how do i prevent this? i cannot bring the wired interface down either (headless box, ssh only via wired) |
| 22:29.45 | cadu | marmot: already tried checking your X config or updating debian or some other tricks ??? |
| 22:29.46 | dli | resiak, the installation manual says, I can auto partition or use the free space. doesn't mention resizing |
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| 22:30.34 | cadu | myren: use screen and do some sillyness like "ifdown eth0 ; bla ; sleep 2 ; ifup eth0" |
| 22:30.38 | enyc | hrrm.... how do you find the INSTALLED version of a package ?? |
| 22:30.39 | resiak | dli: Just select the partition in the list, and give it a new size. I'm _told_ it works, but obviously you have a full backup. |
| 22:30.43 | cadu | myren: it'll work :P |
| 22:30.44 | cheal | ugh. I think sf.net is showing date in trackers as a UNIX timestamp |
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| 22:30.54 | enyc | via dpkg or apt, nothign that the insalled version may NOT be avilable in the apt sources any more? |
| 22:31.05 | resiak | cadu, myren: man at :) |
| 22:31.08 | dli | newbdeb, you need to compile the module ipw2100 yourself, with your kernel source (or kernel-headers, but I never tried myself) |
| 22:31.14 | resiak | Really handy in these situations. |
| 22:31.21 | myren | cadu: that /would/ work and i admire you for it. but ah, i'm more wondering why this happening and how i can stop it |
| 22:31.31 | Skaag | dpkg: oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml |
| 22:31.31 | dpkg | Skaag: okay |
| 22:31.37 | deadcat | newbdeb: apt-get install module-assistant and the ipw2100 source |
| 22:31.40 | myren | i'm not doing any bridging so i cant even fathom how wlan0 could be getting dhcp responses from eth0 |
| 22:31.49 | cadu | resiak: ^^ |
| 22:32.05 | Skaag | oh god, debian is 12 |
| 22:32.08 | Skaag | that's amazing |
| 22:32.19 | cadu | yeah |
| 22:32.21 | myren | Skaag: today? |
| 22:32.29 | cadu | he already can go out get some girls. |
| 22:32.49 | cadu | and he already can start to drink alcohol with friends. niiiice |
| 22:32.58 | beardy | why he? |
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| 22:33.18 | Skaag | myren: No, this last August |
| 22:33.20 | cadu | if Debian were a she you guys would get too horny to handle it :P |
| 22:33.29 | cadu | beardy: eheheh |
| 22:33.38 | pants9 | okay. has anyone come here from gentoo? |
| 22:33.52 | pants9 | is there a gentoo -> debian migration guide that details the important changes? |
| 22:34.01 | Skaag | cadu: Nah - I can handle debian, even if it was a she... and if indeed debian WAS a she, she would be a tall blond with big boobs ;-) |
| 22:34.15 | cadu | Skaag: 'package' management :) |
| 22:34.19 | myren | how do you add a job to a queue for at? |
| 22:34.25 | Skaag | cadu: Woot ;-) |
| 22:34.27 | cadu | myren: man at :) |
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| 22:34.46 | Skaag | man at work |
| 22:34.47 | Skaag | ;-) |
| 22:35.03 | cadu | myren: but really ...screen...sleep 10s ; ifdown eth0 ; sleep 1s ; ifup eth0 |
| 22:35.13 | cadu | myren: after return, detach && disconnect quickly |
| 22:35.15 | cadu | and pray... :) |
| 22:35.15 | vipe | I'm looking for a good cyrus imapd howto, any one who knows a url ? |
| 22:35.22 | myren | man at doesnt mention how to build queues |
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| 22:35.36 | cadu | myren: the manpage sucks |
| 22:35.37 | newbdeb | Skaag: i did. module-assistant is running. but had toubles with inserting link address to sources.list and gave up. But with a help i might get it |
| 22:35.41 | cadu | myren: that's why i pointed you it |
| 22:35.42 | myren | yeah it does |
| 22:35.51 | cadu | myren: so you could my faster and hackier-but-works approach |
| 22:35.55 | cadu | ^^ |
| 22:35.55 | myren | one of the shining cases of really bad man pages |
| 22:36.09 | myren | it still just boggles my mind how wlan0 is getting dhcp responses from eth0 |
| 22:36.11 | deeptaz | where do i download the unstable version of debian ISO's an anybody give me the link |
| 22:36.16 | myren | that goes against everything i know and have been taught |
| 22:36.26 | pants9 | is there a gentoo -> debian migration guide that details the important changes? |
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| 22:36.30 | Skaag | newbdeb: are you sure you intended to message me? |
| 22:36.50 | cadu | myren: misconfigured dhcpd |
| 22:37.16 | cadu | wlan ---<box>--- eth0 |
| 22:37.24 | cadu | myren: could be some bogus/erroneus dhcpd message |
| 22:37.26 | Skaag | somtimes I wish there were public showers, such as the ones described in SnowCrash |
| 22:37.29 | myren | it could be. i set the dhcpd up myself. its very very simple setup. |
| 22:37.37 | newbdeb | Skaag: sorry it was to deadcat :) |
| 22:37.42 | myren | i just dont get how the packet is being forwarded out eth0 |
| 22:37.52 | Skaag | I mean, i've just flown into some country to fix something, I am working around the clock, so no need for a hotel, but what about showers |
| 22:37.53 | myren | FORWARD is ACCEPT but....... |
| 22:38.01 | newbdeb | deadcat: i did. module-assistant is running. but had toubles with inserting link address to sources.list and gave up. But with a help i might get it |
| 22:38.07 | myren | how the REQUEST gets through the box |
| 22:38.47 | abrotman | pants9: like what? |
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| 22:38.57 | myren | and of course /etc/services doesnt list hte dhcp port |
| 22:38.58 | myren | fun fun |
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| 22:39.36 | cadu | myren the dhcpd isn't on the box itself ? |
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| 22:39.53 | cadu | myren: it's on some box on eth0 ? |
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| 22:40.32 | sombra | j #bash |
| 22:40.37 | recyclebin | ok |
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| 22:40.45 | Gnea | lol |
| 22:40.57 | viko | how to set mozilla for default net brauser? |
| 22:41.08 | cadu | paxed : mitä kuuluu ? |
| 22:41.15 | stew | viko: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 22:41.20 | paxed | cadu: problems. |
| 22:41.29 | viko | stew: what? |
| 22:41.31 | Gnea | viko: change the /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 22:41.39 | cadu | paxed: i'm learning a bit of finnish with mortal, do you know him? ^^ |
| 22:41.42 | viko | k I`ll try |
| 22:41.45 | stew | viko: that command will let you choose the default browser |
| 22:41.59 | cadu | paxed: just for curiosity's sake :) |
| 22:42.02 | viko | stew: thanks |
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| 22:42.39 | myren | cadu: dhcp is on some other box on the eth0 network |
| 22:43.01 | myren | i'm now dropping instead of FORWARDING all packets on port 67,68 of DHCP |
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| 22:43.34 | paolo_ | dpkg xine |
| 22:43.34 | dpkg | it has been said that xine is a DVD,VCD,MPEG (divX also possible) player for Linux. http://xine.sourceforge.net or just apt-get install xine-ui xine-lib. Also at #xine.. You can get a "complete" version of xine with a DeCSS plugin at http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html, or to get sound set the goto advanced settings and set the sound driver form null to what ever you use. see xine-ui KDE users, check out 'kaffeine', or but xine ... |
| 22:43.38 | cadu | myren: that should do it |
| 22:43.58 | cadu | myren: your snat/masquerade were forwarding every fscking thing...including the broadcastses |
| 22:44.01 | viko | update-alternatives: command not found |
| 22:44.16 | abrotman | viko: are you root ? |
| 22:45.25 | viko | There is only 1 program which provides x-www-browser |
| 22:45.25 | viko | (/usr/bin/konqueror). Nothing to configure. |
| 22:45.31 | viko | but Ive got mozilla |
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| 22:46.22 | abrotman | bah .. i can't get this stupid windows virus to work! |
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| 22:47.00 | guru | quick question concerning cups on debian...via the cups web based administration i can print a test page, however i cannot print from any other application. do i need to belong to a specific group? |
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| 22:47.21 | abrotman | viko: how did you install mozilla ? |
| 22:47.29 | paolo_ | i just noticed that do not exist a testing xine-ui package, does anyone know why? |
| 22:47.37 | myren | cadu: the snat was on the gateway doing dhcpd |
| 22:47.41 | m2 | guru: /var/log/cups/error.log |
| 22:47.46 | viko | abrotman: by official site |
| 22:47.50 | paolo_ | (it exist stable and unstable) |
| 22:47.54 | guru | m2: thank you, i had completely forgotten about that |
| 22:47.55 | myren | althoguh i do have most tables set to ACCEPT by default on most of my boxes |
| 22:48.03 | myren | just ip_forward set to off |
| 22:48.08 | myren | so no nat |
| 22:48.12 | viko | abrotman: its not with apt-get |
| 22:48.23 | abrotman | viko: well .. that's why it's not in the list |
| 22:48.29 | abrotman | viko: which mozilla |
| 22:48.31 | guru | m2: nothing. the print jobs aren't even getting queued |
| 22:48.43 | viko | the last one |
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| 22:48.48 | guru | last job was #6 by root (my last test page) |
| 22:48.57 | cusco | hod does dpkg list what a pakcage has? |
| 22:48.57 | abrotman | viko: no .. it's a command .. `which mozilla` |
| 22:48.59 | viko | firefox 1,06 |
| 22:49.01 | gravity | Cups must be the second most problematic piece of software in Debian |
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| 22:49.05 | viko | LoL :) |
| 22:49.06 | cusco | the files that came with the pagkage |
| 22:49.07 | eeyore- | default-accept for firewall? |
| 22:49.09 | m2 | guru: access.log doesn't mention them either? |
| 22:49.26 | abrotman | oh wait .. not a pear! |
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| 22:49.29 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 22:49.32 | gravity | heh |
| 22:49.45 | cusco | I thought it was dpkg -l |
| 22:49.46 | eeyore- | abrotman: will you eat a pierre? |
| 22:49.47 | monnok | Is it possible to turn off the known_hosts checking on the command line in ssh? |
| 22:49.49 | deepta_ | how do i download unstable version of debian |
| 22:49.49 | guru | m2: nope, nada |
| 22:49.54 | abrotman | eeyore-: no .. he's french |
| 22:49.57 | deepta_ | i mean .iso |
| 22:50.03 | abrotman | deepta_: you can't |
| 22:50.03 | deepta_ | what is the link |
| 22:50.06 | gravity | deepta_: You don't. You install it off the net. |
| 22:50.10 | m2 | guru: lpstat -a |
| 22:50.14 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 22:50.14 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 22:50.15 | deepta_ | how????? |
| 22:50.18 | guru | m2: it's a usb printer on (what i presume is) /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 22:50.19 | gravity | Also true |
| 22:50.22 | viko | abrotman: nothing happened |
| 22:50.30 | abrotman | viko: how do you launch firefox ? |
| 22:50.33 | gravity | deepta_: Why do you need unstable? |
| 22:51.00 | deepta_ | i want wlan-ng package |
| 22:51.00 | guru | m2: i don't have lpstat |
| 22:51.03 | abrotman | viko: how do you launch firefox ? |
| 22:51.05 | deepta_ | whaichis in unstable |
| 22:51.09 | abrotman | wlan-ng is in sarge |
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| 22:51.18 | abrotman | gravity: he didn't wave to you! |
| 22:51.20 | viko | abrotman: what do you mean?? i`ve got |
| 22:51.22 | viko | a shortcut |
| 22:51.26 | viko | on descktop |
| 22:51.28 | abrotman | viko: and the shortcut points to what? |
| 22:51.31 | gravity | It's Ok. I'll live. |
| 22:51.39 | abrotman | !comfort gravity |
| 22:51.40 | dpkg | There, there, gravity. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:51.46 | guru | m2: do you know which package provides it? apt-cache returned nothing |
| 22:52.06 | viko | thanks for the patience ;) |
| 22:52.07 | abrotman | !find bin/lpstat |
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| 22:52.16 | viko | I`ve got it now |
| 22:52.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lpstat' (1): (/usr/bin/lpstat) in net/cupsys-client,net/lprng. |
| 22:52.30 | guru | ahh, cupsys-client |
| 22:52.32 | guru | thanks |
| 22:52.34 | abrotman | or lprng |
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| 22:53.01 | guru | sudo apt-get install cupsys-client |
| 22:53.02 | deepta_ | gravity:i want wlan-ng package which is in unsatble |
| 22:53.03 | viko | abrotman: Firefox but when I type whish Firefox nothing again |
| 22:53.05 | guru | wrong terminal |
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| 22:53.22 | abrotman | viko: the shortcut points where? |
| 22:53.23 | guru | m2: brother_mfc_420cn accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00 |
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| 22:53.38 | cheal | gravity: sorry for asking a 100th time, but could you confirm the NVIDIA's proprietary driver problems with Debian's X.org are fixed (nvidia-glx working with X.org)? |
| 22:53.41 | viko | nowere its only a command firefox |
| 22:53.55 | deepta_ | gravity:???? |
| 22:54.01 | viko | sry |
| 22:54.02 | dogmeat | how do you convert a text dos file to linux? |
| 22:54.04 | abrotman | it's in sarge too |
| 22:54.05 | viko | for loosing your time |
| 22:54.07 | gravity | cheal: I can't confirm or deny either. They work for lots of people, they don't work fo rothers |
| 22:54.09 | abrotman | dogmeat: dos2unix |
| 22:54.10 | dondelelcaro | dogmeat: dos2unix or similar. |
| 22:54.11 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 22:54.13 | gravity | deepta_: Why not just install that one package then? |
| 22:54.18 | viko | tonight I`m verry verry stupid |
| 22:54.22 | gravity | deepta_: Why do you need to go all the way to unstable? |
| 22:54.37 | guru | dogmeat: load it into vim and type (in normal mode) :%s/^QV//g |
| 22:54.38 | abrotman | viko: if you open a terminal .. what would you type to launch firefox ? |
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| 22:54.48 | guru | where ^QV is control-QV |
| 22:54.57 | dogmeat | ok |
| 22:55.00 | viko | /data/firefox-installer/firefox |
| 22:55.02 | deepta_ | gravity:it depends on libc62.3.5 and above |
| 22:55.19 | abrotman | viko: and that runs firefox ? or installs it ? |
| 22:55.19 | cheal | gravity: hum, well, as far as you know, does nvidia-glx work with X.org as good as with XFree86 (referring to the "get xorg" factoid)? |
| 22:55.20 | guru | dogmeat: or load it in gvim then select to convert the file from dos -> unix via the menu :) |
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| 22:55.28 | deepta_ | gravity:libc6 2.3.5 cannot be installed in sarge |
| 22:55.29 | viko | runs it ;) |
| 22:55.30 | mcool | if there is no /var/log/secure file on a system does that mean it has been hacked |
| 22:55.35 | deepta_ | gravity:so |
| 22:55.39 | paxed | cheal: there's a known(?) problem with xorg and nvidia? damn, i've been fighting with this for 3 hours now. |
| 22:55.44 | stew | mcool: /var/log/auth.log |
| 22:55.46 | mcool | or cracked rather |
| 22:55.49 | guru | m2: lpstat -a is showing the printer...any other ideas? |
| 22:56.07 | gravity | cheal: As far as I know, yes. |
| 22:56.09 | abrotman | viko: ok .. as root `update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /data/firefox-installer/firefox |
| 22:56.27 | gravity | cheal: I don't use nvidia at all though, so I can't say from experience. |
| 22:56.31 | stew | wtf is /data/ ? |
| 22:56.38 | abrotman | stew: he compiled firefox himself |
| 22:56.52 | phogg | he put it in the wrong place |
| 22:56.54 | abrotman | or used th einstaller .. or something |
| 22:56.56 | stew | abrotman: is update-alternatives smart enough to deal with that? |
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| 22:57.01 | deepta_ | gravity:??? |
| 22:57.02 | cheal | gravity: ok, thanks |
| 22:57.05 | abrotman | stew: the way i just told him should work |
| 22:57.06 | guru | why not just do --prefix=/usr/bin/firefox? |
| 22:57.12 | abrotman | guru: ask him .. not us! |
| 22:57.23 | stew | why not just apt-get ... |
| 22:57.29 | guru | abrotman: nah, i'll just drink a case of beer then i'll figure it out |
| 22:57.31 | cheal | paxed: at least, there was in Debian. I was asking gravity if the version that went in etch still had it |
| 22:57.32 | phogg | viko: /usr/local/ is the place for things you compiled yourself |
| 22:57.35 | abrotman | guru: doubtful :) |
| 22:57.36 | deadcat | gravity: wouldnt that drop the firefox/ into /usr/bin ? |
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| 22:57.41 | jvw | guru: --prefix != location of binary, you want --prefix=/usr/local or something |
| 22:57.41 | gravity | deepta_: Install sarge and update. That's the best way. |
| 22:57.51 | viko | update-alternatives: Cannot find alternative `/data/firefox-installer/firefox' |
| 22:57.57 | deepta_ | gravity:command for this operation |
| 22:58.02 | guru | jvw: i know this. i place all binaries in their own directory in /usr/local |
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| 22:58.04 | viko | but runs it |
| 22:58.10 | cougar` | Anyone here ever heard of Radix Wire? |
| 22:58.11 | viko | I`ve tried |
| 22:58.15 | deadcat | cougar`: no |
| 22:58.20 | guru | err nevermind |
| 22:58.22 | cougar` | rgr |
| 22:58.29 | guru | i meant /usr/local/bin/firefox |
| 22:58.44 | paxed | cheal: argh. i'm using testing, and everything that uses glx segfaults for me, so i have other problems too, i guess. |
| 22:58.44 | abrotman | viko: did it work or not ? |
| 22:58.48 | phogg | viko: you'd need to --install the alternative first,I think |
| 22:58.55 | gravity | deadcat: Substitute stable" with "unstable" in /etc/apt/sources.list and aptitude update. But beware. Things do break on unstable, so if they do, you're on your own. |
| 22:58.59 | gravity | deepta_: ^ |
| 22:59.07 | abrotman | phogg: yep .. sorry .. missed that |
| 22:59.09 | gravity | deepta_: I'm not going to help fix your unstable box. |
| 22:59.16 | guru | gravity: i prefer testing :) |
| 22:59.24 | gravity | guru: It doesn't have his package. |
| 22:59.27 | guru | stable for the server, testing for my workstation |
| 22:59.30 | deepta_ | gravity:thks |
| 22:59.36 | stew | deepta_: you don't want to switch to unstable |
| 22:59.46 | guru | gravity: couldn't he just fetch that package himself and install it with dpkg? |
| 22:59.55 | deepta_ | stew:i want to |
| 22:59.57 | gravity | guru: He says it depends on newer libc |
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| 23:00.06 | guru | ahh...good luck with that one |
| 23:00.08 | viko | phogg: how to install it? |
| 23:00.11 | gravity | And I've had bad enough experiences with pinning that I don't recommend it |
| 23:00.15 | deepta_ | stew:please tel me the upgrade command |
| 23:00.17 | gravity | Unstable is still better than pinning ime |
| 23:00.27 | guru | gravity: everytime aptitiude wants to update glibc i almost cry |
| 23:00.31 | stew | deepta_: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 23:00.35 | gravity | deepta_: I hope you're ready for breakages. They do happen. |
| 23:00.44 | phogg | viko: man update-alternatives |
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| 23:00.55 | abrotman | that man page regarding --install .. SUCKS |
| 23:01.06 | cheal | gravity: BTW, I know (and from projected experience) that NVIDIA's binary drivers won't work perfectly with X.org :S |
| 23:01.09 | deepta_ | ok |
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| 23:01.21 | gravity | cheal: This is true |
| 23:01.31 | guru | is there a way to specify what printer should be the default printer (e.g., for gvim, firefox, etc)? |
| 23:01.31 | gravity | cheal: But they don't work perfectly at all |
| 23:01.31 | abrotman | gravity: guess what's on TV!!! |
| 23:01.32 | gravity | So... |
| 23:01.34 | gravity | abrotman: Me? |
| 23:01.35 | recyclebin | cheal: hehe |
| 23:01.41 | abrotman | gravity: yankees/redsox! |
| 23:01.49 | gravity | Ooooh |
| 23:01.58 | abrotman | gravity: try to care .. just a little bit :) |
| 23:02.06 | gravity | I sorta do :-) |
| 23:02.13 | abrotman | gravity: it's on ESPN here .. |
| 23:02.41 | gravity | I don't get ESPN |
| 23:02.45 | abrotman | poo |
| 23:02.53 | gravity | yup |
| 23:02.57 | abrotman | gravity: wwor ? |
| 23:03.09 | gravity | Is that tv or radio? |
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| 23:03.17 | abrotman | tv i guess |
| 23:03.21 | cheal | gravity: right. (not related to nvidia) I was trying to determine if I should upgrade my i915GM-based etch box to X.org. I think I'll do that tonight :) |
| 23:03.23 | gravity | Heh, no. I don't watch TV |
| 23:03.32 | abrotman | gravity: you don't have one .. or don't watch it ? |
| 23:03.35 | gravity | cheal: It's about as solid as it's going to get |
| 23:03.45 | gravity | abrotman: I have one, but no cable so I only use it for movies and games |
| 23:03.48 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:03.59 | abrotman | gravity: on radio .. WEEI |
| 23:04.09 | cheal | gravity: :D I'll be back later |
| 23:04.19 | riv | nvidia drivers work great w/xorg.. set them up properly :P |
| 23:04.20 | piaf | can someone help me to setup an ad-hoc wifi network with WPA ??? |
| 23:04.21 | abrotman | gravity: first pitch in a few minutes |
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| 23:04.58 | jacaru | hello all! anybody knows it it is possible to chainload grub from grub? |
| 23:05.12 | thingfish | riv: yeah, I had absolutely no problems whatsoever switching over. |
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| 23:05.14 | abrotman | #grub might know |
| 23:05.16 | stew | jacaru: it is possible |
| 23:05.36 | jacaru | went there but #grub is kinda silent |
| 23:05.40 | riv | i had some issues w/ ati drivers but nvidia always works great |
| 23:05.50 | riv | <3 nvidia |
| 23:05.55 | jazzmanss | Anyone have experiance getting madman (or any other streaming service) working, and how I can access and play music remotely? I can browse the madman files, but can't play most of them remotely. suggestions, pointers? |
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| 23:06.12 | abrotman | jacaru: yeah .. they are slow .. but they know a lot! :) |
| 23:06.38 | jacaru | this is what i am doing: installed grub on a bootable cd. Boot from the cd and: |
| 23:06.39 | jacaru | root (hd2,2) |
| 23:06.45 | jacaru | sorry |
| 23:06.59 | jacaru | rootnoverify (hd2,2) |
| 23:06.59 | jacaru | chainloader +1 |
| 23:06.59 | jacaru | boot |
| 23:07.12 | jacaru | on that partition i have grub installed to |
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| 23:07.16 | stew | are you sure hd2 was mapped to the correct device? |
| 23:07.43 | piaf | jacaru: why not booting directly your system from the grub which is on ur cd |
| 23:07.46 | piaf | ?? |
| 23:08.29 | jacaru | because i dont want to record the cd each time i try a new kernel image |
| 23:08.41 | abrotman | cdrw ? |
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| 23:08.50 | jacaru | yes well |
| 23:08.59 | Revelation | how do i add more ips too the same network ? |
| 23:09.07 | Revelation | networkcard* |
| 23:09.09 | piaf | jacaru: don't understand what u want to do |
| 23:09.11 | abrotman | alias an IP |
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| 23:09.28 | Dracka | Revelation, don't remember exactly but you create kind of "virtual device" or something to it :) |
| 23:09.34 | Dracka | so just #2 for the card |
| 23:09.42 | abrotman | eth0:1 |
| 23:09.46 | piaf | anybody for wifi ? |
| 23:09.47 | abrotman | man ifconfig should explain it |
| 23:09.48 | Dracka | yeah |
| 23:09.52 | Dracka | that's what I mean abrotman |
| 23:09.58 | jacaru | i want to have a boot cd independant of whatever linux distro i have installed, and be able to update boot procedures without having to record a new cd. thats why i want to chainload grub |
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| 23:10.01 | CountZ` | where can I find linux.bin and root.bin for the latest stable debian? |
| 23:10.10 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 23:10.10 | dpkg | somebody said sarge floppies was http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
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| 23:10.14 | CountZ` | thanks |
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| 23:10.23 | abrotman | CountZ`: there is actually a third you may need |
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| 23:10.32 | abrotman | and a fourth depending on how you want to install |
| 23:10.36 | CountZ` | pxe |
| 23:10.56 | piaf | jacaru: grub is already able to boot every system u run i guess, u just have to update ur menu.lst |
| 23:10.57 | CountZ` | i'm following an outdated guide on debianplanet |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | good plan |
| 23:11.15 | CountZ` | hehe |
| 23:11.30 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:11.30 | dpkg | i guess ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 23:11.33 | piaf | jacaru: if u got a crash u can debug it using the grub console |
| 23:11.35 | phogg | stupid update-alternatives and its confusing command line options. |
| 23:11.35 | CountZ` | i'm installing on blade servers, no cdroms or floppies available to me... |
| 23:11.39 | abrotman | !tell piaf about u |
| 23:11.45 | pants9 | YOU"RE ALL GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111 |
| 23:11.49 | jacaru | yes but the menu.lst file is in the cd and each time i change it i would have to make a new cd |
| 23:11.53 | pants9 | not really though |
| 23:11.54 | abrotman | !tell pants9 about gay |
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| 23:12.05 | CountZ` | pants9: My girlfriend would resent that |
| 23:12.10 | abrotman | hehehe |
| 23:12.12 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
| 23:12.15 | gravity | ugh |
| 23:12.20 | abrotman | yonkeltron: almost! |
| 23:12.41 | yonkeltron | abrotman: 18 min window mate..... |
| 23:12.43 | CountZ` | yonkeltron: You mean Shabat Shalom |
| 23:12.45 | abrotman | yonkeltron: i'll meet you at the iron hill in montgomeryville! |
| 23:12.50 | piaf | jacaru: u can load it from the disk |
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| 23:13.08 | CountZ` | here shabat started hours ago |
| 23:13.15 | abrotman | yonkeltron: no? |
| 23:13.20 | jacaru | hmmm |
| 23:13.25 | abrotman | yonkeltron: are you down towards elkins park ? |
| 23:13.26 | piaf | jacaru: look at grub builtin help |
| 23:13.29 | beardy | !tell piaf about u |
| 23:13.34 | abrotman | again ... |
| 23:13.35 | beardy | piaf: don't be offended |
| 23:13.43 | piaf | Beardy |
| 23:13.43 | yonkeltron | CountZ`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazic_Hebrew |
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| 23:14.02 | piaf | beardy: nothing to care, this is not my own language |
| 23:14.06 | guru | joe@wigglespot:~$ lpr -P brother_mfc_420cn mozilla.ps |
| 23:14.07 | guru | lpr: brother_mfc_420cn: unknown printer |
| 23:14.16 | jacaru | can i use the configfile grub command from menu.lst? |
| 23:14.22 | guru | yet in cups it is listed there |
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| 23:14.46 | beardy | piaf: english is not my first language either, but it's always good to do the best you possibly can |
| 23:14.47 | guru | how do i make lpd aware of my usb printer? |
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| 23:14.59 | abrotman | usblp module loaded ? |
| 23:14.59 | jair_11 | guys where could I found a very good debiand turorial about set up the dhcp server? |
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| 23:15.15 | piaf | jacaru: try it, i think this ok |
| 23:15.17 | dli | guru, lsusb |
| 23:15.22 | piaf | jacaru: try it, i think this is ok |
| 23:15.23 | jair_11 | I ahould have a separate machine to be used as a server DHCP? |
| 23:15.34 | guru | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 04f9:0162 Brother Industries, Ltd |
| 23:15.35 | beardy | jair_11: Read the documenation of the dhcp server you are planning to use. |
| 23:15.51 | abrotman | beardy: you get the captain obvious award! |
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| 23:16.10 | jair_11 | beardy, I do not know which one to use? |
| 23:16.20 | jair_11 | beardy, I am using sarge stable 3.1 |
| 23:16.23 | beardy | abrotman: thanks.. it's often needed to be here though.. |
| 23:16.26 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:16.33 | jair_11 | hello abrotman |
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| 23:16.56 | jacaru | ok will try that |
| 23:16.58 | jair_11 | I finally decide to switch my network to linux |
| 23:17.06 | jacaru | now to my second issue ;) |
| 23:17.25 | jair_11 | but the thing is that to make this users log in to the machines I have to install samba right |
| 23:17.37 | dli | jair_11, I use dhcp3-server |
| 23:17.42 | chx | hi. i have a used laptop, with nothing external to boot from, and it has NetBSD on it. I do not know NetBSD I'd like to run Debian. Any ideas how to make the jump? this is a real jump-over-a-chasm as if the thing fails I need to take apart the notebook and buy a 2.5-3.5" IDE converter. |
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| 23:17.59 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 23:17.59 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 23:18.04 | abrotman | chx: no floppy or cd ? |
| 23:18.19 | gpm | can xdm automatically log in a user? |
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| 23:18.25 | piaf | beardy: english is for me a communication tool, excuse me to write it phoeneticaly but this is quite faster and i'm a bit tired |
| 23:18.31 | outlaw84 | is google working for you? |
| 23:18.33 | mfrisch | :-) |
| 23:18.41 | chx | abrotman: no. does not even boot from USB. But it has a running BSD so it's not like booting from a punch card reader. |
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| 23:18.58 | jacaru | with the pmount command and plugdev group i am not able to use the cdwriter. cdwriter device group owner is "plugdev" and this group has not write permissions on the device. Before touching anything as this is how the packages instalation left it, i wanted to ask first. |
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| 23:19.01 | abrotman | chx: what kind of laptop is this ? |
| 23:19.04 | blafArd | is there a sox with mp3 support deb somewhere? |
| 23:19.04 | guru | gah, ffs...you're never going to believe what the problem was |
| 23:19.05 | javaJake | I need help |
| 23:19.09 | abrotman | gravity: horribly top of the first! |
| 23:19.10 | javaJake | I cannot load my sound. |
| 23:19.12 | abrotman | horrible |
| 23:19.14 | javaJake | Microphone. |
| 23:19.21 | chx | abrotman: old. Toshiba P3410. Celeron 400. |
| 23:19.24 | jair_11 | dli, how has been your experience with it? |
| 23:19.28 | abrotman | chx: and it has no floppy? |
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| 23:19.42 | beardy | jair_11: I use dnsmasq, which does dns forwarding dhcp for my lan. It's not hard to configure if you just read the configuration file a bit. |
| 23:19.44 | javaJake | I cnnot use the microphone. |
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| 23:19.49 | guru | brother_mfc_420cm:\ instead of brother_mfc_420cn:\ |
| 23:19.54 | dli | jair_11, I suppose you want a simple network, then just use dhcp based on MAC, very simple |
| 23:19.54 | guru | in /etc/printcap |
| 23:20.02 | beardy | jair_11: dns forwarding *and* dhcp |
| 23:20.03 | jacaru | sorry if anybody answered me, i left the channel unintentionally |
| 23:20.04 | abrotman | chx: i'm not sure if debootstrap or debtakeover work on bsd |
| 23:20.14 | chx | abrotman: this is a (very) sub notebook, 10" TFT, less than 1.4kg, there is no space in the body for CD or floppy |
| 23:20.16 | javaJake | What is the sound mixer for debian sarge? |
| 23:20.44 | resiak | jacaru: ls -l /dev/cdrw ? |
| 23:20.46 | abrotman | whichever you choose |
| 23:20.52 | piaf | jacaru: no one answered |
| 23:20.52 | javaJake | OSS? |
| 23:20.53 | beardy | javaJake: There are a couple to choose from. |
| 23:20.54 | dli | javaJake, I use alsamixer |
| 23:20.55 | mfrisch | javaJake what you install |
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| 23:21.08 | guru | dli: how do i inform gvim, etc what default printer to use? |
| 23:21.18 | jair_11 | beardy, ok |
| 23:21.29 | javaJake | mfrisch: None |
| 23:21.31 | jair_11 | the name of that server is dnsmasq |
| 23:21.45 | jair_11 | beardy, it is in the list of packages for sarge? |
| 23:21.47 | dli | guru, you can set your default printer in cups, which is the easiest for me |
| 23:21.51 | mfrisch | javaJake use alsamixer |
| 23:21.52 | jacaru | jacaru@cancer:~$ ls -l /dev/hdd |
| 23:21.52 | jacaru | brw-r----- 1 root plugdev 22, 64 2005-09-10 02:47 /dev/hdd |
| 23:22.04 | jair_11 | dli, that one sounds kind of interesting as well |
| 23:22.05 | javaJake | nope |
| 23:22.07 | dli | guru, you can manage it via http://localhost:631 |
| 23:22.18 | javaJake | I'd need alsa for taht. |
| 23:22.26 | abrotman | chx: you'll have to try debtakeover or debootstrap |
| 23:22.29 | guru | dli: i've done that, but for some reason gvim isn't printing it to there or something |
| 23:22.34 | mfrisch | javaJake and... |
| 23:22.42 | javaJake | Nope |
| 23:22.46 | javaJake | nothing |
| 23:22.48 | piaf | so |
| 23:22.53 | abrotman | buttons |
| 23:22.56 | piaf | gn8 |
| 23:22.56 | javaJake | Do I just type alsamixer? |
| 23:23.04 | piaf | oh sorry good night ;) |
| 23:23.04 | dondelelcaro | javaJake: you can, yes. |
| 23:23.05 | resiak | jacaru: Mildly bizarre. Mine's brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-09-09 14:27 /dev/hdc |
| 23:23.07 | mfrisch | javaJake aumix is also nice |
| 23:23.10 | beardy | jair_11: Yes, dnsmasq is in sarge. 'apt-cache show dnsmasq' |
| 23:23.13 | dli | guru: since gvim handles plain text, why don't you just lpr or enscript it |
| 23:23.20 | javaJake | Will it work? |
| 23:23.42 | javaJake | aumnix? |
| 23:23.45 | javaJake | aumix? |
| 23:23.53 | piaf | bye |
| 23:24.00 | jacaru | im am using gnome volume manager that takes charge of removable devices, thats why |
| 23:24.00 | jair_11 | beardy, now |
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| 23:24.11 | mfrisch | javaJake it is oss |
| 23:24.12 | jair_11 | beardy, do you have a network with windows on it? |
| 23:24.19 | javaJake | bye |
| 23:24.20 | guru | dli: how can i set it so that the print menu button defaults to using lpr? |
| 23:24.21 | jair_11 | beardy, I mean servers too? |
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| 23:24.37 | abrotman | !tell chx about debootstrap |
| 23:24.39 | beardy | jair_11: I have a windows box yes. |
| 23:24.40 | abrotman | !tell chx about debtakeover |
| 23:24.46 | beardy | jair_11: No, no windows servers. |
| 23:24.58 | dli | guru, sorry, I don't know gvim :( |
| 23:26.12 | guru | dli: that's ok, but thanks for your help anyway :) i'll rtfm :) |
| 23:26.19 | beardy | jair_11: why? |
| 23:26.22 | m2 | guru: you set printexpr |
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| 23:26.31 | resiak | jacaru: So am I. It shouldn't make a difference. chown .cdrom /dev/hdd; chmod 660 /dev/hdd; adduser you cdrom; logout; login |
| 23:26.33 | albo | anyone know how to make mailer-daemon stop reporting to my user's mail, and only to mail.log |
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| 23:26.54 | m2 | guru: but I think :hardcopy already uses lpr, doesn't it? |
| 23:27.03 | jair_11 | beardy, is because I have a lab that use the log in and log outs from a windows server and it have a lot of users in there so i will need to keep it until I prepare a Linux samba server |
| 23:27.13 | mfrisch | m2 really cool... |
| 23:27.18 | guru | m2: not sure...hold on and i'll find out :) |
| 23:27.24 | dli | guru: I tried gvim, "Printing PostScript failed" :( |
| 23:27.48 | jair_11 | beardy, all the users save their documents in a windows server domain. so If I remove the dhcp server I will have to indicate the fix IP addresses of the server |
| 23:27.52 | viko | is there any program which playz .wmv files? |
| 23:27.57 | viko | for debian |
| 23:28.06 | jair_11 | and others like routers wireless, print servers, printers with nics |
| 23:28.08 | Gnea | viko: totem |
| 23:28.12 | guru | dli: try setting the environment variable PRINTER |
| 23:28.23 | viko | Gnea: that`s the name of the program? |
| 23:28.33 | viko | which plays it? |
| 23:28.35 | Gnea | viko: are you familiar with the apt-cache command? |
| 23:28.38 | dli | guru: can I ask it to print to a file? |
| 23:28.40 | viko | nope |
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| 23:28.48 | Gnea | !tell viko about newbie-guide |
| 23:28.48 | dli | guru, no printer connected here |
| 23:28.50 | abrotman | viko: are you running debian or something else ? |
| 23:29.01 | Gnea | viko: apt-cache search totem |
| 23:29.09 | viko | its debian |
| 23:29.11 | guru | dli: not sure, but by setting PRINTER all is good |
| 23:29.15 | Gnea | of course it is |
| 23:29.32 | Gnea | viko: surely you know apt-get by now? |
| 23:29.38 | viko | yes |
| 23:29.38 | viko | :) |
| 23:29.42 | Gnea | good :) |
| 23:29.43 | dli | guru: I'm just curious to see whether it can print Chinese |
| 23:29.52 | viko | thats almost the only thing I know |
| 23:29.52 | deepta_ | how do i give a alias to a new un identified device in modules.conf |
| 23:29.53 | viko | ;) |
| 23:30.04 | chx | alas, debtakeover is not yet BSD :( but I do not need such a sophisticated script, I am happy with losing settings |
| 23:30.30 | guru | ok, now how do i set an environment variable for x? |
| 23:30.31 | beardy | jair_11: Ok, for such a big place, perhaps dhcp3-server would be better? |
| 23:30.42 | abrotman | !tell viko about refcard |
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| 23:31.33 | ilpavox | anyone know of a multiverse with sun java in it? |
| 23:31.40 | jair_11 | beardy, you recomend me that one and also is on the srage packages? |
| 23:31.40 | gravity | guru: Same way you set it for the console |
| 23:31.41 | blafArd | i want to do speed control on mp3s. Alsaplayer will do this in real time but seemingly won't output to mp3, and sox seems to have no mp3 encoding support in debian. any suggestions? |
| 23:31.43 | Gnea | viko: get familiar with apt-cache, you'll thank yourself (andme) ;) |
| 23:32.08 | resiak | !tell ilpavox -about java |
| 23:32.11 | resiak | !tell ilpavox -about install java |
| 23:32.14 | albo | anyone know how to make mail stop reporting smtp errors to my user's mail, and only to mail.log |
| 23:32.19 | viko | man apt-cache? |
| 23:32.26 | viko | :) |
| 23:32.37 | m2 | blafArd: sweep, ecawave, rezound or ardour |
| 23:32.51 | guru | got it |
| 23:32.51 | viko | well at least I`ll practice my english... |
| 23:32.54 | guru | beer time! :) |
| 23:33.02 | blafArd | m2: thanks |
| 23:33.12 | ilpavox | all i want to do i get the freaking plugin working with firefox |
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| 23:33.24 | m2 | !beer guru |
| 23:33.28 | cusco | hi.. how do I create a debian package from ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/lib/alsa-lib-1.0.9.tar.bz2 |
| 23:33.36 | m2 | blafArd: np |
| 23:33.36 | cusco | from the alsa-lib file? |
| 23:33.50 | Dracka | .deb? |
| 23:33.53 | cusco | yes |
| 23:33.56 | cusco | is it possible? |
| 23:33.58 | Dracka | why would you want to |
| 23:33.58 | cusco | to use equivs |
| 23:33.59 | abrotman | albo: ask the channel for your smtp server |
| 23:33.59 | deepta_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.00 | cusco | or something |
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| 23:34.34 | Dracka | cusco, yeah I think it's possible... I don't know how to make debian packages though, did you try to google? |
| 23:34.39 | albo | abrotman: what is my smtp server channel-member ? |
| 23:34.46 | dli | cusco, I used checkinstall to make a .deb instead of "make install" |
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| 23:34.47 | abrotman | albo: which smtp server are youusing ? |
| 23:34.49 | cusco | ok Ill search |
| 23:34.52 | albo | abrotman: postfix |
| 23:34.59 | abrotman | albo: ask #postfix |
| 23:35.14 | Dracka | cusco, yaeh, you'd better search, or you can also wait whole night until someone answers ;) |
| 23:35.17 | cusco | dli: what do u mean? |
| 23:35.19 | Coweater | cusco: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
| 23:35.23 | cusco | ok |
| 23:35.29 | cusco | ok thanks Coweater |
| 23:35.43 | Coweater | if you don't intend to create an official package though, a lot of that could be avoided |
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| 23:35.51 | dli | cusco, apt-cache search checkinstall |
| 23:35.52 | m2 | blafArd: and sox, of course, but that requires some scripting and piping work... |
| 23:36.30 | faigo | is there any tools for conver reiserfs to xfs? |
| 23:36.30 | dli | cusco, if you just want your own deb from source, checkinstall is very simple to use |
| 23:36.36 | faigo | is there any tools for conver reiserfs to xfs? |
| 23:36.41 | faigo | is there any tools for conver reiserfs to xfs? |
| 23:36.45 | abrotman | ask again |
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| 23:37.00 | abrotman | is there any tools for conver xfs to reiserfs? |
| 23:37.09 | faigo | sorry for the msg repeat. |
| 23:37.13 | abrotman | four times? |
| 23:37.22 | beardy | jair_11: I do not recommend anything really, I only suggest, you have to decide what you want to use. /msg dpkg search |
| 23:37.24 | jair_11 | anybody else here can recomend me a dhcp server with a good tutorial? |
| 23:37.27 | faigo | I am typing on dark night. |
| 23:37.49 | jair_11 | cool |
| 23:37.52 | jair_11 | ok |
| 23:37.53 | mfrisch | jair_11 dhcp3-server works good |
| 23:37.54 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 23:38.00 | jair_11 | mfrisch, perfect |
| 23:38.14 | jair_11 | I think i will give a try to that on then |
| 23:38.18 | beardy | .. |
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| 23:38.19 | resiak | faigo: yes |
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| 23:38.27 | resiak | Oh, arse. |
| 23:38.29 | abrotman | resiak: hehe .. |
| 23:38.34 | beardy | resiak: :) |
| 23:38.35 | guru | now my font is too large in mozilla, thunderbird, etc |
| 23:38.36 | mfrisch | :-) |
| 23:38.44 | guru | so is the paper size |
| 23:38.48 | resiak | faigo: Back up, mkfs, restore. But you don't want to use reiser. |
| 23:38.52 | faigo | ha.. |
| 23:39.28 | faigo | reisak, I don't known why reiserfs getting slow on my machine. |
| 23:39.36 | resiak | !tell faigo -about nicktab |
| 23:39.48 | resiak | Oh, and i before e, except after c. |
| 23:39.56 | resiak | :) |
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| 23:40.33 | abrotman | reiser sucks .. rocks |
| 23:40.38 | resiak | !reiser |
| 23:40.38 | dpkg | i guess reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 23:41.08 | mfrisch | ext3 rules |
| 23:41.14 | resiak | !start a fs war |
| 23:41.14 | dpkg | ext2 is better than SysVfs!! |
| 23:41.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:41.38 | sward | At least I have backups... |
| 23:41.53 | mfrisch | sward on reiser?!? |
| 23:42.04 | abrotman | mmm...food |
| 23:42.11 | jair_11 | nice I wrote the dhcp3 down |
| 23:42.15 | jair_11 | thanks guys |
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| 23:42.47 | sward | mfrisch: Why would I backup to reiser? |
| 23:43.05 | mfrisch | sward I would hope not |
| 23:43.10 | beardy | sward: Why would you use it if you don't trust it? |
| 23:43.36 | mfrisch | sward I like something you can dump/restore. |
| 23:43.55 | sward | mfrisch: Using reiser, not had anything go wrong, but backing up to something different is something anyone should consider |
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| 23:44.50 | eeyore- | i've got too many backups of my family photos |
| 23:44.52 | mfrisch | sward I have used it in the past and borked data, no thanks |
| 23:44.58 | sward | At least backups of the important stuff |
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| 23:45.14 | eeyore- | on the hard drive, on cd's, as .iso's, on a firewire drive, sent on to grandma out of the country :-) |
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| 23:45.22 | sward | It may take me a while to restore the actual system |
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| 23:46.11 | eeyore- | sward: trouble is if you use a filesystem like reiser ... if it should corrupt your file as it goes along, and you keep backups as you go along, you might, in the end, end up with junk |
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| 23:47.03 | mfrisch | eeyore- s/he will learn the hard way |
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| 23:47.35 | nvz | I switched before I had to learn the hard way backed up and changed it eventually |
| 23:47.49 | sward | eeyore-: That's what the grandfather-father-son backup with.. you should still have backups of "a while back" |
| 23:48.23 | sward | s/with/helps with/ |
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| 23:48.31 | nvz | I think the problem at the time was using newer reiser than was on my rescue media which was not good |
| 23:48.42 | comex | When I try to login, after I type in the username, it says "Login incorrect" several times without letting me enter a password. |
| 23:48.56 | eeyore- | of course i have snapshots of my stuff at various stages :-) |
| 23:49.02 | vern401 | looking for help |
| 23:49.33 | eeyore- | when i add new pictures i also do a diff of the tree and make sure the only changes are the new additions. call me paranoid :-) |
| 23:49.40 | beardy | comex: Where, at a virtual console, ssh, ?dm ? Crappy keyboard? |
| 23:49.54 | vern401 | I am using ubunto and am having problems getting my wireless installed |
| 23:50.00 | gravity | vern401: #ubuntu |
| 23:50.05 | beardy | vern401: ask #ubuntu |
| 23:50.13 | comex | At a virtual console. |
| 23:50.23 | vern401 | I did they dident help much they are chatting |
| 23:50.32 | gravity | vern401: Not our problem |
| 23:50.40 | comex | The keyboard definitely isn't the problem. |
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| 23:50.54 | vern401 | I know I am just looking for some help |
| 23:51.08 | beardy | vern401: And we told you where to get it. |
| 23:51.23 | eeyore- | vern401: ok, is this a supported wireless card? |
| 23:51.24 | gravity | You should try their web board. |
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| 23:51.52 | beardy | comex: And this happens on all your virtual consoles? Everytime you try to login? |
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| 23:52.03 | vern401 | yes it shows up in the device maniger |
| 23:52.09 | comex | Yes. As I said, it doesn't give me the prompt for a password. |
| 23:52.27 | OCA| | Is there any way from grub that I can see what drives its identifying? I'm thinking when I boot to my USB2 disk from the bios the drive mappings change versus when it's booted from the install cd and that's why it's failing. |
| 23:52.29 | eeyore- | vern401: i don't know anything about device manager in ubuntu ... what kind of card is it? |
| 23:52.41 | comex | This is after various files got deleted and I'm trying to boot up, by the way. |
| 23:52.48 | newbdeb | Hi. Need help with sources.list. trying to insert contrib and non-free links. but all i get is errors. |
| 23:52.53 | vern401 | ralink 2500 |
| 23:53.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: die! |
| 23:53.09 | beardy | comex: well, that is kind of a different situation, you could have said that.. |
| 23:53.18 | eeyore- | vern401: did you compile the ralink driver from the ralink homepage? (there's a company-supported GPL driver for that chip family) |
| 23:53.21 | TwistedEmotions | !seen abrotman |
| 23:53.22 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (1h 17m 50s). Has said a total of 132048 messages. Is idling for 11m 18s |
| 23:53.23 | beardy | comex: Which files? |
| 23:53.37 | beardy | !seen beardy |
| 23:53.37 | dpkg | beardy is currently on #debian (2d 52m 12s). Has said a total of 1949 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 23:53.42 | vern401 | I tried it keeps comming up with errors |
| 23:54.02 | vern401 | been fighting with it for 2 days |
| 23:54.06 | eeyore- | vern401: do i have to play 20-question game with you? i'm trying to go home here :-) keep it brief |
| 23:54.21 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: yes? |
| 23:54.25 | abrotman | i think i talk too much |
| 23:54.28 | comex | Most of the files in /etc and various other files, except /usr which was on a different partition. I used Knoppix and chroot to reinstall things. |
| 23:54.33 | beardy | abrotman: heh |
| 23:54.36 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: nada... was just playing around ;) |
| 23:54.42 | pem3v78 | newbdeb: are you using sarge ? |
| 23:55.00 | comex | I didn't mean the first time I was trying to boot up. |
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| 23:55.05 | hyde_ | I remember there is a tool that can be used to help inputting the same command on many putty sessions. Can anyone remind me of its name? |
| 23:55.18 | eeyore- | vern401: no description of the errors? |
| 23:55.18 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Got the DWL-G510... version 2 ;) So should work... |
| 23:55.21 | beardy | comex: I'd say your system is broken, badly. |
| 23:55.26 | cheal | eeyore-: "the ralink driver from the ralink homepage"? |
| 23:55.29 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: havent tested it yet ;) but hoping |
| 23:55.58 | vern401 | when i get to the make command it says file not found |
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| 23:56.28 | beardy | comex: Rescue your /home and reinstall perhaps? |
| 23:56.32 | comex | Well, it boots (nearly) fine through the init stuff, except that, so I'd rather not have to reinstall Debian. |
| 23:56.40 | cheal | vern401: we won't help you with ubuntu problems. please ask somewhere else |
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| 23:57.04 | pem3v78 | vern401: it seems you are missing 'make' |
| 23:57.07 | vern401 | I'll just go back to microsoft |
| 23:57.15 | cheal | vern401: great |
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| 23:57.27 | vern401 | keep getting a holes in linux |
| 23:57.28 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: good |
| 23:57.33 | mfrisch | vern401 no skin off out nose |
| 23:57.37 | beardy | vern401: If you give up that easy, perhaps you should. |
| 23:58.02 | gravity | Yay |
| 23:58.10 | comex | beardy: I'm sorry, but do you have any advice directly related to the problem? |
| 23:58.30 | beardy | comex: Yes, as I said, rescue what is important to you and reinstall. |
| 23:58.48 | mfrisch | idiot proof and better are two different things. |
| 23:58.51 | dondelelcaro | comex: could you repeat the exact problem again? |
| 23:59.17 | comex | When I try to login from a virtual console, I enter my username, and without giving me a chance to enter a password, it says "Login incorrect" several times. |
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| 23:59.40 | beardy | comex: Repeat the part about deleted files aswell.. |
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