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00:00.09thecoolestcowi have an hp laserjet 6L, and i need help setting it up
00:00.13gpmthecoolestcow: tldp.org
00:00.20gpmthecoolestcow: you probably want to apt-get install cupsys
00:00.25bonez39I run debian 3.1, with 2.6.8 kernel, and am having trouble getting mlm Mailman working, specifically regarding configuration of mm_cfg.py for the cgi-bin function.....I can't load mailman locally or remotely without including /cgi-bin/ in the URL...
00:00.53hiuxhow to use the soundcard as a normal user?
00:01.00bob2er, duh
00:01.07gpmhiux: adduser <normaluser> audio
00:01.13gpmhiux: i assume you're using alsa
00:01.15jdhutchin1hiux, add the user to the audio group, log out, and log back in
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00:01.27hiuxoss not work too
00:01.43hiuxlet me try it
00:01.51thecoolestcowgpm: alright, i installed cupsys, now what? can tldp.org help me from here?
00:01.57beardycheal: Yes there is. SID is Sound Interface Device, the sound chipset in a Commodore 64.
00:02.26UnKnowN_woohoo I found a bug and fixed it :D
00:02.31thecoolestcownice
00:02.34gpmthecoolestcow: well, now you go to localhost:631 in your favorite browser and add a printer. you'll need your root password
00:02.35chealbeardy: sorry ;)
00:02.40beardy!win UnKnowN_
00:02.41dpkgCongratulations, UnKnowN_! You have won the US presidency!
00:02.43beardycheal: :)
00:02.48gpmthecoolestcow: check out tldp, google and /usr/share/doc/cupsys if you have more problems
00:03.08UnKnowN_lol
00:03.14UnKnowN_I think I like this job
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00:04.33bonez39beardy, was my question a bit closer to 'acceptable'?
00:04.35SerajewelKSi just installed xserver-xorg on testing and can't figure out how to get it to do twinview on an nvidia geforce.  I tried copying the relevant parts from my xfree config, but that didn't help.
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00:05.57SerajewelKSthe right monitor stays in text-mode and displays a bunch of flashing lines, then goes blank
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00:06.18WiFiTuxanyone knows how to change the gnome splash screen?
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00:06.33biohazrdbonez39: sounds like an apache configuration issue
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00:07.12hiuxanother question. why does my xterminal crash when  i run it as a normal user
00:07.25beardybonez39: I'm not familliar with that software, but perhaps you should try to be more precise, more what the problem exactly is, the answer you'll get now proably is. Configure the program, find out how by reading it's documentation.
00:07.27bonez39biohazrd, something in httpd.conf?
00:08.22kregWyzard, heh, take a look at these in /var/log/messages
00:08.23kregSep 11 17:59:11 riker kernel: hdb: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=341442794, high=20, low=5898474, sector=341442728
00:08.24biohazrdyah, regarding your cgi-bin scripts rules and locations... Its been years since I have set that up, but look there for cgi-bin options and permissions.
00:08.45kregWyzard, hdb and hdb and hdd are my raid0
00:08.55kregoops,  hdb and hdd
00:08.57hiuxit works well when i login as root
00:09.25Wyzardbonez39: I have zero experience with Mailman, but I've used Apache, and I know that the URL which maps to your CGI program has nothing to do with the configuration of the program itself, and everything to do with the configuration of Apache
00:09.42Wyzardkreg: Sounds like physical disk errors
00:09.49bonez39beardy, ah, here's more..I was running mailman on same system, but on a smaller/older hdd, on debian 3.0...... it worked fine there, but hard drive was aging so loaded debian 3.1 on new hdd in same system, copied mailman, et all over to new hdd...and then it failed to work as before...I am sure it's in the configuration files...I have been through mm_cfg.py, httpd.conf and update-exim4.conf.conf a zillion times, but am still missing the
00:09.49bonez39<PROTECTED>
00:09.58kregsuggest pulling the data off, repartition, reformat, re-arrary.   instead of trying to fix?
00:10.01Wyzardkreg: Go to the disk manufacturer's website and download their diagnostic tool, and run it
00:10.13kregwd
00:10.18bonez39Wyzard, ok then I'll hit apache and the cgi angle..it's got to be there somewhere
00:10.19Wyzardkreg: That'll actually run self-tests on the drive -- badblocks just attempts to read every sector, which is not very thorough
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00:10.52beardybonez39: That story doesn't help much.. :) Read what Wyzard told you.
00:11.20Wyzardkreg: The diagnostic tool (which will probably require you to create a bootable floppy or CD) will either remap sectors to work around the problem, or give you a failure code which you can use in an RMA request if the drive is still under warranty
00:11.49biohazrdWyzard, I think you are right, more or less that is what I was trying to tell him
00:11.50kregno.  just a pair of old 180gb ide discs
00:11.59Wyzardkreg: If the data on that array is important to you, shut it down ASAP -- the longer the affected drive runs, the more chance it has of failing further
00:12.14kregstarting to pull it off now
00:12.16kregthaks
00:12.27hiuxwhy does my xterminal crash when  i run it as a normal user?
00:12.47biohazrdI remember years ago having trouble with some cgi-bin stuff, and the answer was in httpd.conf allowing other directories to be used for executing scripts than the default.
00:12.55SimonRavenhiux: because it doesn't like you. seriously, check your shell's rc files
00:13.03Wyzardkreg: This illustrates why RAID modes without redundancy (append and striping) are *less* reliable than individual disks, btw...  because if *any* of the disks in the array fail, the whole filesystem is damaged
00:13.14thecoolestcowi installed CUPS and i added HP laserjet 6L through the web portal, however it is not working
00:13.24hiuxthank you simonraven
00:13.29Wyzardbiohazrd: "Options ExecCGI" in the relevant <Directory> section?
00:13.38kregWyzard, ya i understand that.  it's not super important data.  most of it is backed up onto dvdr anyhow.
00:13.45bonez39beardy, Wyzard biohazrd thanks for the help....
00:13.49kregjust wanted a big place to store stuff
00:13.51biohazrdthat sounds familiar, but like I said, it has been years
00:13.53kregover samba
00:14.16Wyzardkreg: As an aside, if you want to combine several disks into a larger space without redundancy, I'd suggest using LVM rather than RAID...  it's more flexible
00:14.32kreglinear?
00:14.37Wyzardkreg: It can do striped too
00:14.41thecoolestcowcan anyone help me install my HP laserjet 6L using CUPS?
00:14.43biohazrdI dont have apache on this laptop and have nothing to look at for a reference.  My server died a couple of weeks back
00:14.54kregWyzard, howto on it?
00:15.05beardythecoolestcow: Be specific.
00:15.25thecoolestcowbeardy: i installed it using hte web portal, and it seems to have installed properly, however it will not print
00:15.34Wyzardkreg: But LVM lets you subdivide the space into logical volumes, which are conceptually similar to partitions except that they can be added, removed, and resized on-the-fly, and they don't have to be contiguous so you can enlarge any volume at any time
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00:15.45Wyzardkreg: Google for "Linux LVM howto", I guess
00:15.49kregk
00:16.08ke6isfhmm, my web server is screwed up... *breaks out a screwdriver*
00:16.21HayArmsGuys, I've a problem with RAID on debian Sarge
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00:16.52HayArmsI've installed debian using a Raid array as / filesystem
00:16.58litageke6isf: we'll need more information than that to help you
00:16.59HayArmsit's a raid 1 array
00:17.01ke6isfbeardy: Sankyu.
00:17.10HayArmsAt reboot time the system says :
00:17.11ke6isflitage: No help required.  Just commenting.
00:17.17HayArmsmd: md0 still in use.
00:17.35ke6isflitage: I basically am migrating from apache2 to apache, and a power failure bumped me back to apache - and I hadn't actually got around to configuring it.
00:17.51HayArmsAnd when the system is booting the array is marked as dirty and starts the background reconstruction
00:17.54HayArmsWhy??
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00:18.00litageke6isf: ack, power failures suck
00:18.05SimonRavenbeardy: no sonic screwdriver? damn
00:18.11SerajewelKSdangit
00:18.18SerajewelKSi can't get twinview to work on xorg
00:18.23ke6isflitage: It was short yet brief, and it was a different part of the grid falling over that made us "blink".
00:18.25beardySimonRaven: How do they work?
00:18.35SimonRavenbeardy: hint: dr. who
00:18.38ke6isfSimonRaven: They're next to the hydrospanners.
00:18.43SimonRavenoh ok
00:18.45beardySimonRaven: Haven't seen :)
00:18.48litageke6isf: maybe try to fit a ups into your budget? i still need to do that
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00:18.58ke6isflitage: It's on my "things to buy" list.
00:19.03litageheh me too
00:19.06HayArmsI've also filed a but to the mdadm maintainer but no one answered me yet
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00:19.32piotr_will updating libc6 on sid break other packages?
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00:19.41SerajewelKSwow.. xorg pretty well sucks.. no twinview.. semi-transparent cursors are goofing up
00:20.00WyzardHayArms: Does it happen if you run "/etc/init.d/mdadm-raid restart" once the system is running?
00:20.21SimonRavenpiotr_: depends. you might need to stop everything, then start them up again
00:20.22WyzardSerajewelKS: I'm using nvidia in xorg on sid with a semitransparent cursor with no problems...  no twinview though
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00:20.49WyzardSerajewelKS: TwinView is an nVidia driver thing, not an xorg thing
00:21.00SerajewelKSWyzard yeah well it worked with xfree
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00:21.22beardySerajewelKS: It still is an nVidia driver thing.
00:21.45SerajewelKShmm.. xorg server log says it failed to initialize the nvidia driver.. wtf
00:21.59SerajewelKS"failed to initialize glx extension"
00:22.01piotr_SimonRaven: but not update all other packages?
00:22.08WyzardSerajewelKS: nvidia kernel module not loaded maybe?
00:22.18SerajewelKSWyzard i was just using xfree...
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00:22.32SimonRavenpiotr_: i never said that. you'll be forced to anyway, your deps will go to ratshit
00:22.38WyzardSerajewelKS: You just upgraded from xorg to xfree, no other changes at all?
00:23.01SerajewelKSWyzard none at all, aside from editing the xorg config file to try and fix twinview.  the cursor was goofing out before i did that.
00:23.13SimonRavenpiotr_: i don't understand why you just run the upgrade
00:23.14SerajewelKSright now xorg is behaving the same way it did before i edtied the config
00:23.20lenuxi got a question that doesnt persist to debian other than the fact imma going to put debain on it........got a comp that was hit in storm for free ................opened up case when u plug in comp mobo lights up...........test button does not work on supply ...........think its a supply pro
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00:23.38SerajewelKSlenux #hardware
00:23.43SimonRavenlenux: english?
00:23.55PlazmaSerajewelKS, did you use the sid backport just outta curiosity?
00:24.02beardylenux: You don't need that many dots ..
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00:24.04SerajewelKSPlazma no, xorg is in testing now
00:24.09WyzardSerajewelKS: I'm surprised X starts at all for you -- generally when the nVidia driver fails to initialize, it aborts completely
00:24.13bob2"imma" is not a word
00:24.16PlazmaSerajewelKS, ahh so you just directly got it from sid
00:24.17piotr_SimonRaven: I was just updating one package and wants to upgrade libc6, that's ok with me but didn't feel like upgrading the rest now
00:24.19bob2long runs of "." are fucking annoying
00:24.19bob2etc
00:24.25SerajewelKSPlazma xorg is in TESTING.. please read
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00:24.35SimonRavenpiotr_: so don't run the upgrade right now ;)
00:24.37PlazmaSerajewelKS, relax,, miscommunication
00:24.50SerajewelKSPlazma no miscommunication.  you're not paying attention.
00:25.06kregif an old hardware raid card detects two drives that are 180gb as only 130gb, can linux override this?
00:25.11PlazmaSerajewelKS, i said something i didnt mean as in. not what i meant to come across, so miscommunication on my part not yours :D
00:25.14kregfasttrack66
00:25.17Manoj_I had ro fwt nvidia source and nvidia drivers from experimental to get nvidia working again on 2.6.13
00:25.21SerajewelKSPlazma ok
00:25.51Manoj_it used to work fine with 2.6.12 with the nvidia stuff in Sid -- but soemthign changed in the new 2.6.13 kernel
00:25.56bob2kreg: if it's really hardware raid, linux will not even know there are two drives at all
00:26.05WyzardManoj_: That's interesting to hear...  is the one in experimental the version I've heard about that drops support for geforce2 and earlier?
00:26.06kregbob2, ya
00:26.22kregbob2, good point
00:26.26SerajewelKSis there a separate glx package for xorg?
00:26.29bob2so, no, I really really doubt it can overrid that
00:26.32WyzardSerajewelKS: no
00:26.34SimonRavenWyzard: it's going to be re-added in (so they say)
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00:26.44WyzardSimonRaven: oh?
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00:26.52kregbob2, have you heard of that old card?  i can convert it between a pci ide controller or a simple raid controller
00:27.03Manoj_Wyzard, Oh, I did not check that -- it is nvidia version 7676 (Sid has 7174)
00:27.04SerajewelKSWyzard so why doesn't this work =/
00:27.18kregjust trying to think if i wanna raid with it, and loose a 100gb, or try to software raid with it, and maybe get all 180gb on each disc
00:27.18Wyzardkreg: If the driver doesn't already see the full capacity of the drive, there's probably not much you can do
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00:27.34bob2kreg: are you really sure it's hardware raid then?
00:27.46bob2I've neer heard of a hardware raid that let you turn that off
00:27.50kregWyzard, i dunno.  this old motherboard doesn't recognize the full 180gb on these drives, so i just set the bios to 0 and let linux do it.
00:28.16Wyzardkreg: You can get a newer IDE controller card pretty inexpensively, btw
00:28.23Supaplexhe only thinks it's hardware raid because it's so hard to wear ;)
00:28.23beardykreg: "that old card", you win todays vaguestatue ;)
00:28.29kregbob2, it's a solder hack thing.   promise ata 66 controller card.  with a resistor and right firmware you can go between raid or regulr ide.
00:28.39Wyzardkreg: and it doesn't even need to be a "hardware RAID" card
00:28.53bob2wtf
00:28.55max_Anyone know how I should be restarting/starting efingerd? There's nothing having to do with efingerd in /etc/init.d. Do I have to create my own script in /etc/init.d?
00:29.05max_I installed from the Debian package
00:29.08bob2max_: no
00:29.13bob2max_: presumably it runs from inetd
00:29.19bob2max_: why are you trying to restart it?
00:29.22WyzardSerajewelKS: No reason I can think of...  I'm using nvidia on xorg just fine in sid, and have been for several months
00:29.24max_Because I changed the config file
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00:29.39bob2max_: then it will pick it up immediately
00:29.44SerajewelKSWyzard well it works here, minus twinview and acceptable cursors
00:29.47kregbob2, heh this old trick.   http://www.sysopt.com/articles/ultrafast/
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00:30.12kregWyzard, ya i just happened to have one of these lying around.   was just considering options while i wait for all the data to transfer over to my desktop.
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00:30.39max_Thanks bob2, I guess I just assumed I had to restart it
00:30.43WyzardSerajewelKS: I'm using the cursors that automatically make themselves default when the "gtk2-engines-industrial" package is installed...  translucent soft shadows, and they look fine
00:30.51WyzardSerajewelKS: Geforce2 GTS, FWIW
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00:31.15SerajewelKSWyzard xinit says it's missing some symbols in libdri.a
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00:31.32SerajewelKSWyzard like getActiveScreen.. which look twinview-related
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00:32.20WyzardSerajewelKS: I have DRI commented out in my list of modules in the X config...  nvidia doesn't use DRI, and most nvidia guides say you should disable the "GLcore" and "dri" modules
00:32.37SimonRavenstill do
00:32.41SerajewelKSWyzard for xorg, or xfree too?  dri on xfree made 3d accel a lot faster
00:32.49WyzardSerajewelKS: both
00:33.02SerajewelKShmm
00:33.05SerajewelKSgo figure
00:33.22WyzardSerajewelKS: DRI is involved in providing hardware acceleration to the Mesa OpenGL implementation
00:33.38WyzardSerajewelKS: Drivers for other 3D cards, such as Matrox and ATI, use Mesa for their 3D
00:33.54SerajewelKSWyzard still doesn't work.  it doesn't complain about symbols but still says it can't init glx
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00:33.58WyzardSerajewelKS: nVidia provides their own, completely separate, nVIdia-specific OpenGL implementation, which has nothing to do with DRI
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00:34.17WyzardSerajewelKS: What kernel are you using?
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00:34.42SerajewelKSWyzard 2.6.11
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00:35.05WyzardSerajewelKS: 2.6.12 here...  custom-compiled, but I didn't do anything unusual that I think would make a difference
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00:35.40UnKnowN_hey guys whats a really good game for debian :P
00:36.05chealUnKnowN_: aptitude's minesweeper
00:36.11chealor neverball
00:36.18SerajewelKSUnKnowN_: bzflag!
00:36.42SerajewelKSWyzard still complains that "NVIDIA X driver not found"
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00:36.44sanxiynUnKnowN_: gnugo. :-)
00:36.44UnKnowN_what are they under apt-get
00:36.49AzarWyzard, I have used the nvidia one liner and the way I recall I did not bother to comment out DRI and it worked fine
00:36.54SerajewelKSUnKnowN_ apt-get install bzflag
00:37.23SerajewelKSafaict xorg fucked up the card too... the right monitor isn't behaving well in text-mode now
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00:37.42UnKnowN_woohoo
00:37.45UnKnowN_fixed another problem
00:37.51sanxiynGame of Go -- minutes to learn, lifetime to master.
00:38.03UnKnowN_No more sound problems
00:38.33HayArmsHow many people here use the packages from unstable instead of sarge?
00:38.50Ether_Mansanxiyn: lifetime to master? It's a game that you CANNOT master ^_^
00:38.52Plazma!beer
00:38.52dpkgmethinks beer is liquid gold mate
00:39.01sanxiynHayArms: I do.
00:39.12Quinn_Stormanyone know how to set up a ppp server for null modem connections?  I have a box with no ethernet but I do have a (working) null modem cable... I've tried google but I'm unclear on what to do
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00:39.26cheal!tell HayArms about polls
00:39.26sanxiynEther_Man: lifetime to try to master. same thing. :(
00:39.33SerajewelKSman this is getting frustrating
00:39.44Ether_Mansanxiyn: hehe..  So very true ^_^
00:40.01HayArmsOh my god
00:40.02jdhutchin1HayArms, mixing packages from sarge and sid is not a very good idea, to say the least
00:40.09HayArmsI'm sorry
00:40.10SerajewelKSPlazma i tried google.  you can stfu now.
00:40.16sanxiynHayArms: That's okay...
00:40.22HayArmsThis channel has very complex rules
00:40.31WyzardHayArms: I said earlier, don't upgrade to sid just to get a new version of KDE
00:40.35WyzardHayArms: Look for a backport
00:40.36SerajewelKSHayArms no, it has very simple rules that people misinterpret
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00:40.38UnKnowN_now why are the games i just installed not working Grrrrrrrrrr
00:40.48HayArmsOf course I have problems with amule on sarge too
00:40.48sanxiynUnKnowN_: bzflag?
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00:40.51UnKnowN_yeah
00:40.54UnKnowN_bzflah
00:40.57UnKnowN_flag*
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00:40.58HayArmsIt seems to not like libwxgtk2.4
00:41.06OrionBerlinHello, can somebody help me? I cant compile the nvidia display drivers in Debian Edge
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00:41.09UnKnowN_I got the original BZ :P and newer one
00:41.10sanxiynHayArms: Indeed. Whole wx status is a mess.
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00:41.20OrionBerlinclear
00:41.37WyzardOrionBerlin: Edge?  Do you mean Etch?
00:41.38sanxiynHayArms: I think many wx programs now in Sarge shouldn't have been there after all.
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00:41.51UnKnowN_so how do i fix it?
00:41.53Wyzard!tell OrionBerlin about nvidia one-liner
00:41.55Plazmamy lasagna hurts
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00:41.57HayArmsWhat do you mean?
00:42.12Azaroh he is trying xorg..
00:42.12sanxiynHayArms: i.e. amule should have been removed from stable. (Just my opinion.)
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00:42.29sanxiynEh, it was.
00:42.31sanxiynGood.
00:42.35OrionBerlinWyzard: yes :) i mean etch. i want to compile the drivers by my own.
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00:42.41sanxiynHayArms: Sarge doesn't have amule. (a good thing)
00:42.46markl_is anyone here familiar with nmi watchdog errors?  what typically causes them.  machine is a dual xeon
00:43.02WyzardOrionBerlin: That's what the package is for
00:43.20orchidUnKnowN_: wont work how?
00:43.24HayArmsmmm
00:43.30HayArmsWhat's wrong with amule?
00:43.38johnOkay. My brother is on Debian Linux Sarge, Kernel Version (2.6.8-2-386) When attempting to "ifup eth0" he gets the following error: "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776" // And his cable modem just blinks two lights. He's tried resetting the modem, and it's not a problem on his ISP's side. Any ideas?
00:43.50OrionBerlinWyzard: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 this looks a bit wierd :P
00:44.05Azaris xorg already an acceptable upgrade , or people just like to take a chance with it?
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00:44.17SerajewelKSAzar i'm having a hell of a time with it
00:44.25bob2it's the default in sid and etch
00:44.36OrionBerlinWyzard: and the other thing is, one things hes installing but then come something now with sources and there is an error
00:44.44AzarOrionBerlin, take your time and read it slowly
00:44.45SimonRavenjohn: ignore sit0. it's irrelevant to the problem
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00:44.59OrionBerlinWyzard: something need to be added to the sources list is written here
00:45.04chealAzar: it looks OK
00:45.08AzarSerajewelKS, I just asked because as beginner and staying with Sarge I won't dare to go for it
00:45.22chealhad a few issues with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
00:45.25Azarcheal , really? :) that is good news
00:45.30OrionBerlinAzar: I used gentoo etc befor but now i want to tes it and already the error comes :(
00:45.36SerajewelKSAzar if you have twinview, say away
00:45.41SerajewelKSstay*
00:45.52WyzardOrionBerlin: Yes, you need contrib in your sources.list
00:45.53chealAzar: he's referring to nvidia, of course
00:45.53cescx<PROTECTED>
00:45.57HayArmsaMule is important for me and I need it and on sarge I can't compile it (I had to backport libwxgtk2.6 from SID)
00:45.58Plazmai had a few mouse issues with xorg, but i got them worked out
00:46.04OrionBerlinWyzard: yea where do i get it :)
00:46.13johnSimonRaven: What should I have him "pay attention to" to better find out about this problem?
00:46.14cheal!tell OrionBerlin about nvidia-howto
00:46.15AzarI see...
00:46.17KnowerrorsHey all
00:46.32sanxiynHayArms: True. Too bad.
00:46.52sanxiynHayArms: amule would need code change to work on 2.4 (IIRC), so you can prepare a patch yourself.
00:46.53SerajewelKSwtf.. it doesn't CARE if i turn twinview on or off. the right monitor still craps out.
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00:47.00WyzardOrionBerlin: On the lines in your sources.list, at the end where it says "main", add "contrib" and "non-free" there
00:47.03SerajewelKSwhat kind of excuse for an x server is this
00:47.11AzarOrionBerlin compiling nvidia in Debian at first looks hard, but if you follow the strict rules (unlike in gentoo where you go wild) it will work nice
00:47.13OrionBerlinWyzard: okey ill do it soon :)
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00:47.15Eiscremehi
00:47.18WyzardSerajewelKS: Don't blame the server when it works for everyone else
00:47.24Plazmabooya
00:47.27SerajewelKSWyzard twinview works for everyone else?
00:47.30sanxiynAlso xmule. All eMule clones are in poor status. I don't understand this.
00:47.47HayArmsThe problem is wxgtk
00:47.53sanxiynNo, not really.
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00:47.57EiscremeI thought, the command "locate" would search for files recursivly  under  /  ...  I found out that it only searched in /home/eiscreme
00:47.59Eiscremewhat may I do?
00:48.06EiscremeI need to find ALL the mp3's  on my HD
00:48.09WyzardSerajewelKS: Not TwinView specifically...  nVidia on xorg
00:48.18WyzardEiscreme: find / -iname "*.mp3"
00:48.19Eiscremealso if they are on an other partition
00:48.19HayArmsIf you link WXGTK to GTK2.x you get a high memory usage
00:48.43EiscremeWyzard: find takes too long because I have to search for many things
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00:48.50HayArmsJust now I amule is using 151Mb of memory
00:48.53Plazmacan one compile source packages on debian? somoene told me its not advised
00:48.58UnKnowN__so wait why doesn't bzflag work?
00:49.02sanxiynHayArms: So you can stay with GTK 1.2? :-)
00:49.08SimonRavenjohn: first he needs to see everything hardware-wise is actually working. cat5 cables, modem cables, etc. then he needs to see if eth0 is actually up. if it isn't then he should check if the conf is ok (/etc/network/interfaces), and correct it if need be. if it is, and the h/w is ok, then needs to see if he can ping anything ;)
00:49.24sanxiynHayArms: Any try to compile wx 2.4 (not 2.6) with gtk2 leads to unstability, I heard.
00:49.25WyzardEiscreme: Well, if you know all the MP3s are on a particular partition, just search that partition
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00:49.37Eiscremek
00:49.40Eiscremethank you so far Wyzard
00:50.05sanxiynPlazma: Yes, one can compile from source. Yes, why does one do that?
00:50.15HayArmsYes, of course, if I want I can compile 2.6 with GTK 1.2 support, but GTK2 is out from years
00:50.32SimonRavenjohn: hint, always start from layer 1 on up. layer 1 is hardware
00:50.40HayArmsYes, wx2.4 and gtk2 leads to memory leak problems
00:51.02WyzardPlazma: Compiling software from source is certainly possible, but you should avoid doing it unless you know what you're doing and there's no package available or the package is unacceptable for some specific reason
00:51.05sanxiynHayArms: Well, you can solve the problem yourself, or wait until it's solved.
00:51.18chealPlazma: it can be done.
00:51.32PlazmaWyzard, i thought that was the case, i was just thinking perhaps if one wanted to stay with sarge, but use xorg and not go with a backport.. they could just compile it from source perhaps?
00:51.33sanxiynActually, if it can't be done, it is a serious bug for that package.
00:51.40kregif you have a new drive on an older controller, is it ok to go ahead an use the 180gb drive on a controller that only detects 130gb?  even if you agree to sacrifice the space?
00:51.55WyzardPlazma: Installing non-packaged software by "make install" has the effect of dumping a bunch of files on your system that aren't tracked by the package system, can't be automatically removed or upgraded, and may conflict with other packages
00:52.05sanxiynWyzard: checkinstall.
00:52.07PlazmaWyzard, ahh cool
00:52.08WyzardPlazma: Don't do it, especially for something as large as xorg
00:52.08chealPlazma: that's the kind of compiling that's not advised
00:52.15Plazmaahh ok
00:52.19Plazmajust getting it all straight
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00:52.32Wyzardsanxiyn: I know, but that doesn't solve the deeper issue
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00:53.03sanxiynWyzard: It works pretty well for most "applications", those which aren't infrastructure packages.
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00:53.23SerajewelKSyeah xorg officially sucks for twinview
00:53.39UnKnowN__So why is bzflag not working for me?
00:53.42kingsleydpkg ops "Thanks for generously volunteering your time.  Please restrain rash operators from recklessly banning people."
00:53.43dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: "Thanks for generously volunteering your time.  Please restrain rash operators from recklessly banning people."
00:53.56chealyou must mean nvidia officially sucks for X.org
00:54.07sanxiynUnKnowN__: Who knows...
00:54.11chealwhich isn't news, as NVIDIA sucks for about everything
00:54.14SerajewelKScheal i mean what i said...
00:54.21chealas it sucked for XFree86
00:54.29SerajewelKScheal it worked fine on xfree
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00:54.45WyzardSerajewelKS: I've seen twinview working fine on xorg in Fedora...  haven't personally seen it in Debian, but considering you're having other nVidia problems besides TwinView, I strongly suspect your TwinView problem is specific to your system
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00:55.06SerajewelKSWyzard as true as that might be, it doesn't fix my problem
00:55.21Quinn_Stormokay I figured out how I'm going to need to run pppd...now to find out if I can find a linux install that has pppd by default
00:55.31WyzardSerajewelKS: Neither does declaring in IRC that "xorg officially sucks for twinview"
00:55.38chealSerajewelKS: nvidia twinview? maybe. nvidia didn't
00:55.39Quinn_Stormoops wrong channel
00:55.42bob2kingsley: plase don't do that
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00:55.53UnKnowN__Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
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00:55.57UnKnowN__wth
00:56.19WyzardSerajewelKS: Forget twinview for the moment, and focus on finding out why the driver is failing to initialize GLX -- and why it then continues to load anyway, since that's normally a fatal error
00:56.20kingsleybob2: Do what? dpkg ops?
00:56.43sanxiynUnKnowN__: It cannot open DISPLAY? :(
00:56.55SerajewelKSWyzard okay.  and i have no idea how to do that.
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00:57.25UnKnowN__:(
00:57.33bob2kingsley: unless you actually have something urgent, don't do it
00:57.42UnKnowN__says because of gtk or xlib
00:57.43Azarcheal, after few tries nvidia goes fine in XFree...
00:57.47WyzardSerajewelKS: I'd start by uninstalling and reinstalling the nvidia-glx package...  theoretically the change shouldn't make any difference to it, but it'd be a good thing to make sure of
00:58.05chealAzar: except when it crashes your X
00:58.21SerajewelKSWyzard already tried a reinstall of that
00:58.54Azarcheal it only crashed X when I was trying to use nvidia installer..
00:59.29HayArmsWyzard, I forgot to answer you
00:59.31HayArms[02:19:42] <Wyzard> HayArms: Does it happen if you run "/etc/init.d/mdadm-raid restart" once the system is running?
00:59.52HayArmsNo, I didn't even know of that command until now :þ
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01:00.03WyzardSerajewelKS: You could post your X server log output somewhere so that others can look at it...
01:00.07chealAzar: I have reproducable X crashes when using nvidia with different versions of the driver on different boxes with different cards...I'll never say NVIDIA did good
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01:00.16kingsley_bob2: What "it" are you referring to?
01:00.31SerajewelKSWyzard how... no graphical interface, and elinks is pretty broken in testing
01:00.44Wyzardcheal: nVidia had a few crashing bugs a year or two ago, but that's long since been fixed...  haven't had any problems here in quite a while
01:00.44Plazmalinks2 works fine in testing
01:00.51SimonRavenkingsley_: using the ops factoid
01:00.52bob2kingsley_: blah blah blah, I obvoiously mean !ops
01:00.55Knowerrors<PROTECTED>
01:00.57mentorkingsley_: Bad monkey.
01:01.00SerajewelKSWyzard best i could do is upload it to my sourceforge project web space =/
01:01.05WyzardSerajewelKS: I thought you said you could start X, just with ugly mouse cursors?
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01:01.16chealWyzard: I'm talking about 7174 at best
01:01.17WyzardSerajewelKS: or a pastebin
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01:01.33SerajewelKSWyzard well yeah... but the right monitor doesn't look very healthy and i don't want to damage it
01:01.34Plazmadpkg i love you
01:01.34dpkgThe feeling's not mutual
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01:01.43dwhHello. What's the easiest way to get Coda set up in Debian?
01:01.43WyzardSerajewelKS: Then turn off twinview
01:01.59SerajewelKSWyzard as i said earlier, it still fucks with the right monitor if twinview is off
01:02.09WyzardSerajewelKS: You seem more interested in criticizing xorg than in actually working to solve the problem
01:02.14kingsley_bob2: If !ops is reserved for urgent problems, then what's the best way to report other problems to the ops?
01:02.20Plazmabooya! go wyzard
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01:02.29SerajewelKSWyzard because it's late and i've been trying for two hours to get this to work
01:02.44SimonRavengo have a joint or something. or go to sleep
01:02.48SerajewelKSWyzard also because x.org was pushed as the x server that just worked, and it's not just working
01:02.50Plazmayea lets all get drunk
01:02.52Azarmaybe xorg has some bugs/troubleshooting for twinview at their site..
01:02.53SimonRavendo it later
01:03.00bob2kingsley_: talk to them when you see them or something
01:03.08SimonRavenyou'll feel better well rested
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01:03.17bob2kingsley_: and if you have a specific complain, say so, instead of this vague allusion shit
01:03.20WyzardAzar: it's not a twinview problem...  that's just a symptom of something deeper
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01:03.35WyzardSerajewelKS: Complaining about it here won't fix it
01:03.39SerajewelKSWyzard i guess i'll use sf.net project space
01:03.48WyzardSerajewelKS: If you don't like what's being displayed on your right monitor, unplug that monitor for now
01:03.57Wyzard!tell SerajewelKS about pastebin
01:04.10SerajewelKSWyzard i know about pastebin.  stop using the bot to tell me things or i'm going to ignore it.
01:04.19Plazma!tell SerajewelKS about #xorg
01:04.35WyzardSerajewelKS: Suit yourself...  seems strange to use SF space when there's a pastebin available, though
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01:04.49SerajewelKSWyzard you tried pasting something with elinks and no gpm?
01:04.51odatanyone know how to edit items that are in Places folder in the gnome menu?
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01:05.15WyzardSerajewelKS: Like I said...  unplug your second montitor and start X, if elinks is so bad
01:05.17PlazmaSeras a dude?
01:05.22pure2you can upload a text file
01:05.49SerajewelKSpure2 ah didn't know that
01:05.54SerajewelKSPlazma yes
01:06.10SerajewelKSPlazma if a girl was trying to get xorg to work and it didn't, she'd stop and do something else
01:06.14AzarI guess since I hear around that Firefox is giving problems links will do for now..
01:06.25PlazmaSerajewelKS, eh, unless its a super breed of geek girl
01:06.40WyzardSerajewelKS: I dunno, I know a girl who used to run Slackware, now runs Gentoo, on a system she built herself
01:07.10Plazmai used to run slackware, loved it.. thought id try debian out for apt.. i like apt, but slackware kinda just worked and had more recent packages.. oh well im happy with both
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01:07.39SimonRaveni know plenty of geeky women who'll do anything aguy will. i'd appeciate this crappy sexist shit stopping, thanks
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01:07.42SerajewelKSokay well upload isn't working
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01:08.05PlazmaSimonRaven, oh yea i agree , i know plenty of geeky girls that could school me in a heartbeat, its rather seductive
01:08.14bob2wtf
01:08.18bob2come on folks
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01:08.27bob2odat: asking ubuntu questions in #debian is not approriate
01:08.44Gnea!ubuntu
01:08.44dpkgSee http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>
01:08.52Wyzardbob2: How's that an Ubuntu question?
01:09.03bob2Wyzard: because he/she asked it in #ubuntu earlier
01:09.07Wyzardbob2: GNOME has a Places menu in Debian too
01:09.22hybrid_gothbob2: lol
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01:09.40SerajewelKSwhat the fuck
01:09.51hybrid_gothbob2: is this your channel to let out your aggression?
01:09.57Wyzardbob2: Nonetheless, GNOME isn't any different between the two...  it's a #gnome question, maybe, but not an #ubuntu question
01:10.10Plazmaman im diggin this.. good high quality entertainment
01:10.18hybrid_gothlol
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01:10.45mejohello
01:10.48mejoi have exim4 running as second mta on port 26. it handles mailinglists.
01:10.51mejowhen exim needs to send mails to local addresses, it correctly sends them to courier.
01:10.57mejobut that fails:
01:11.00kingsley_bob2: My complaint is that some ops on #debian are too quick to ban people. I'd like the ops to discipline their ranks more.
01:11.04swardPlazma: #debian is a soap opera, didn't you know?
01:11.15mejo2005-09-12 03:03:24 1EEcjC-00087B-HP <= mailman-bounces@lists.freesources.org H=localhost (server02.steindlberger.de) [127.0.0.1] U=list P=esmtp S=2678 id=20050912010224.GB19155@freesources.org
01:11.15Plazmahahah.. im finding that out
01:11.19hybrid_gothsward: lmao
01:11.20mejo2005-09-12 03:03:24 1EEcjC-00087B-HP == jonas@freesources.org R=courier T=courier_smtp defer (-32): failed to lookup IP address
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01:11.22mejofor localhost
01:11.25mejo2005-09-12 03:03:24 1EEcjC-00087B-HP ** jonas@freesources.org: retry timeout exceeded
01:11.28mejoany idea why that happens?
01:11.33hybrid_gothsward: #ubuntu is the telletubies
01:11.35mejocourier logs say at the same time:
01:11.41hybrid_goththis is days of our lifes
01:11.43SimonRavenmejo: like isaid in #exim, seems like a dns issue
01:11.52mejoSep 12 03:03:24 server02 spamd[3086]: connection from localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] at port 49673
01:11.54SerajewelKSWyzard http://sharkbait.sf.net/xorg.log
01:11.55mejoSep 12 03:03:24 server02 spamd[3086]: info: setuid to Debian-exim succeeded
01:11.56bob2hybrid_goth: when was I being aggressive?
01:11.57mejoSep 12 03:03:24 server02 spamd[3086]: processing message <E1EEcjE-00087K-27@server02.steindlberger.de> for Debian-exim:102.
01:12.01WyzardProblem is, it's not too fun for someone who's actually trying to help, having to fend off people who are being unhelpful
01:12.02Plazmasharkbait!
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01:12.12UnKnowN__hey how do you fix the aslaplayer
01:12.15bob2wtf
01:12.18hybrid_gothbob2: when i first came in
01:12.21SimonRavener
01:12.23bob2kingsley_: then give specific examples
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01:12.31hybrid_gothmore then you are around the #ubuntu n00bs
01:12.34bob2mejo: do not flood the channel
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01:12.57mejobob2: sorry, thought that up to 4 lines is ok.
01:12.57WyzardSerajewelKS: First thing I notice is that it says you have two Device sections for the same card
01:13.01bob2mejo: no
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01:13.05bob2and that was not 4 lines
01:13.07SerajewelKSWyzard except that i don't
01:13.10SimonRaventhat kinda puked... was that the auto_bleh? (/me doubts it)
01:13.18WyzardSerajewelKS: Post your config?
01:13.22SerajewelKSWyzard let me post my conf
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01:14.07SerajewelKSWyzard s.sf.n/xorg.conf
01:14.09Plazmaglaven
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01:15.06compguymacwhats up everyone?
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01:15.18WyzardSerajewelKS: Option "NvAGP" "3"
01:15.20SerajewelKScompguymac do you really want to know?
01:15.28Gnea!everyone
01:15.28dpkghmm... everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies
01:15.34Plazmacompguymac, yea dont ask.. shes having a bad day
01:15.39SerajewelKSPlazma he
01:15.47Plazmai keep saying sara, my bad lol
01:15.53compguymacim everyones friend
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01:15.55WyzardSerajewelKS: I don't remember which value means which...  is that using the Linux AGP implementation, or nVidia's?
01:15.57SerajewelKSPlazma think Sirajul
01:16.08SimonRavenooh, nice name
01:16.09Gneacompguymac: really?
01:16.09Plazmaohhh.. thast ummm let me think
01:16.10SerajewelKSWyzard no idea.. i used to use 1 but google told me to use 3 with xorg
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01:16.23PlazmaSerajewelKS, is that indian perhaps?
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01:16.33SerajewelKSPlazma Sirajul is arab, iirc
01:16.34WyzardSerajewelKS: I'd take it out entirely...  the default is to use Linux AGP if available, and fall back to nVidia AGP otherwise
01:16.41WyzardSerajewelKS: I'd also comment out that "glx" module
01:16.44compguymacya, im gonna hook up some speekers to my ibook and a wireless keyboard and mouse, br right back
01:16.46PlazmaSerajewelKS, are you arabic ? or you just like using the name
01:17.02Gneawoo
01:17.08Gneagot the new motherboard
01:17.13Gneathis one has the wireless option on it :)
01:17.28WyzardSerajewelKS: Option "Xinerama" "On"
01:17.33kingsley_bob2: A specific example is my bansihment several weeks ago. I was abruptly banned after posting one message. One. I'll share the content of it privately if you wish, but to avoid being banned again, I won't post it here. As best I could tell before being banned, karsten and dondelelcaro were the culprits.
01:17.37WyzardSerajewelKS: I'm pretty sure that should NOT be on when using TwinView
01:17.37SerajewelKSWyzard did both, still not working
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01:17.44SerajewelKSPlazma a friend gave me the name
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01:17.50PlazmaSerajewelKS, neato
01:17.50bob2kingsley_: "culprits"?
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01:18.09SerajewelKSPlazma yeah except now everyone thinks i'm female
01:18.20PlazmaSerajewelKS, eh, i still do :P
01:18.26WyzardSerajewelKS: For testing purposes, in fact, I'd comment out all the TwinView stuff (HorizSync, VertRefresh, MetaModes, TwinViewOrientation)
01:18.51GneaSerajewelKS: sorry if i'm joining this a bit late - you're hooking up a flatscreen monitor to a laptop to do dual-display/xinerama?
01:19.02kingsley_bob2: Whoever it was, they should try decalf.
01:19.02EiscremeWhat is a good eMule client for linux?
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01:19.03LightVisionhello
01:19.10SerajewelKSWyzard okay, now what
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01:19.15GneaEiscreme: apt-cache search emule
01:19.31Plazma!k-lined
01:19.34SerajewelKSEiscreme i haven't found any good edonkey clients
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01:19.40ke6isfDoes anyone know how, in emacs, to replace two consecutive newlines with one?
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01:19.55SerajewelKSke6isf i could tell you how to do it in vim...
01:19.56LightVisionhow can I change VOB files to files that can be recorded on a VideoCD?
01:20.01WyzardSerajewelKS: See if X starts OK with that "Xinerama" line removed and the TwinView stuff commented out
01:20.11hiuxwhat's the diffrence between amule and emule?
01:20.13ke6isfSerajewelKS: Good enough.  What's the recipe? =^^=
01:20.23Gneahiux: 3 letters
01:20.34WyzardSerajewelKS: umm...  hang on, according to this config you're not even *using* nVidia's driver
01:20.34SerajewelKSWyzard nope, but i get a different pattern of junk on the right monitor
01:20.39Eiscremethank you Gnea
01:20.43WyzardSerajewelKS: Driver "nv"
01:20.45hiux:)
01:20.47EiscremeSerajewelKS: what else do you use?
01:20.47Gnea:)
01:20.51kingsley_s/decalf/decaf/
01:20.55SerajewelKSEiscreme gtk-gnutella
01:21.01hiuxI just know emule.
01:21.02LordBrainI've seen it stated several places that aptitude has proven better package dependency resolution than apt-get.. is this true?
01:21.07Eiscremethank you SerajewelKS
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01:21.18SerajewelKSWyzard what about the driver
01:21.22GneaLordBrain: define 'better'?
01:21.26ke6isf!better
01:21.26dpkgi heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
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01:21.32hiuxIsnt emule comes from china?
01:21.32WyzardSerajewelKS: "nv" is the open-source 2D-only driver that comes with XFree86 and Xorg
01:21.38bob2LordBrain: it lets you control it's decisions more easily
01:21.47WyzardSerajewelKS: The proprietary driver provided by the nvidia-glx package is called "nvidia"
01:21.47Plazma!msg dpgk foo
01:21.50LordBrainhmmm
01:21.54Plazmaahh
01:21.56GneaLordBrain: it tends to make more decisions for you than apt would
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01:21.59LightVisionIm currently using VESA drivers for Sarge!  But I want to change it using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"!  But it asks me to provide the BUS ID for my card!  How can I know what that is please?
01:22.03SerajewelKSWyzard wow.. hell yeah that made a difference
01:22.07ke6isf!tell Plazma -about msg the bot
01:22.10WyzardLightVision: Leave it blank unless you have more than one video card
01:22.10SerajewelKSWyzard pebcak
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01:22.26Plazmake6isf, my bad i was trying to but hit the wrong button
01:22.30WyzardLightVision: If you do have multiple video cards, run lspci and look at the numbers to the left of each card in the output
01:22.32LightVisionWyzard: leave it totally blank?
01:22.36GneaLightVision: lcpsi -X | grep VGA
01:22.37WyzardLightVision: correct
01:22.38LordBrainGnea: you mean than apt-get would..
01:22.40ke6isfPlazma: heh =^^=
01:22.42GneaLightVision: lcpsi -X | grep VGA | awk '{print $1}'
01:22.48LordBrainsince its all apt right?
01:22.48Gneasorry, hit enter too fast
01:22.56SerajewelKSWyzard i feel dumb know.. i knew that, really
01:23.06GneaLordBrain: correct, but no, apt is apt-* and aptitude is aptitude
01:23.07WyzardLightVision: (You can still specify one if you want to, but there's no need...  if there's only one video card in the system, there's no ambiguity as to which one X should use)
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01:23.23WyzardLightVision: A PCI bus ID identifies a particular slot or connection to the PCI bus
01:23.28xiaoanybody here using bootsplash?
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01:23.37LordBrainGnea: so aptitude is not just a front end basicly, right?
01:23.37SerajewelKSWyzard twinview and cursors work now ^_^
01:23.37funkyhi
01:23.39LightVisionGnea:  do you mean lspci?
01:23.41Plazmahaha apt-get gnome is taking forever
01:23.42WyzardSerajewelKS: :-)
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01:23.55SerajewelKSjust to make up for it... x.org rox0rz
01:24.00funkywhat should I do when I get a seg fault trying to purge a package ?
01:24.09SerajewelKSfunky O_o
01:24.14GneaLordBrain: it IS a front end, but it's a front end that tends to make assumptions based upon the decisions and requests being made in order to facilitate a more 'complete' setup
01:24.19SerajewelKSfunky reinstall debian?
01:24.19LightVisionWyzard:  ok!  but when I leave it blank, when Debian reboots, it wont start X
01:24.29GneaLightVision: er, yeah :)
01:24.29SerajewelKSbrb going to switch to xchat
01:24.34funkySerajewelKS: it occurs only with some packages
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01:24.46funkyThe following packages will be REMOVED:
01:24.46funkySegmentation fault
01:24.53SerajewelKSfunky i'd reportbug
01:24.55finksterHi there people. How can I land in a Bash just by pressing the on/off button on my PC? ( without any login in) Some one told me about a line in /etc/inittab that has to be removed (1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1) But I could boot when I removed it.Can you help me on this one?
01:24.55LightVisionGnea:  I dont have a lcpsi command
01:24.56WyzardLightVision: If you don't know what to fill in for the busID, may I correctly assume that you haven't filled one in and had X successfully start?
01:25.09funkySerajewelKS: ok
01:25.14nvzLightVision: apt-get install pciutils
01:25.17GneaLightVision: lspci -X | grep VGA | awk '{print $1}'
01:25.20LightVisionGnea:  ok :)
01:25.23Gnea:)
01:25.32LightVisionWyzard:  you assume correct :)
01:25.36LordBrainGnea: why arent the non-front-end elements worked into a level lower, so that all frontends benefit?
01:25.50LightVisionGnea:  thanks :)
01:25.59Plazmalmao @ dpkg
01:26.04LightVisionGnea:  lol!  I tried to install lcpsi ;)
01:26.04bob2finkster: ignore them
01:26.07Gnea!busid
01:26.08dpkg[busid] lspci -X | grep VGA | awk '{print $1}'
01:26.14WyzardLightVision: So your problem is that X doesn't start, and you have no particular reason to believe the busID has anything to do with it
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01:26.20SerajewelKSbooyah
01:26.27SerajewelKSwow look how many lines of text i have now
01:26.32finksterignore them....?
01:26.44GneaLordBrain: because aptitude doesn't necessarily provide a beneficial solution to every platform
01:26.51LightVisionGnea:  that command you gave me said "PCI:1:0:0"
01:27.02GneaLightVision: yes, and that is your BusID
01:27.06bob2finkster: ignore whoever said that
01:27.11bob2Plazma: turn that off
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01:27.15finksterI see :p
01:27.26LightVisionGnea:  so all I enter in that field is "PCI:1:0:0" ?
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01:27.42GneaLightVision: option   "BusID"   "PCI:1:0:0"
01:27.43finksterbob2: And then how can I do it?
01:27.54Gneaer
01:27.54Gneano
01:27.57GneaLightVision: sorry wait
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01:28.03WyzardLightVision: Leave the busID blank...  if you only have one video card, leaving it blank will not cause a problem, but filling it in (and getting it wrong) can
01:28.07GneaLightVision: BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
01:28.11GneaLightVision: it's not an option
01:28.15Gneait's its own thing
01:28.16LightVisionWyzard:  ok
01:28.22WyzardLightVision: Focus on the *actual* cause of your X-not-starting problem, which has nothing to do with the busID
01:28.22kingsley_mentor: Since you're an active op, I'd like to state that it seems to me some ops on #debian are too quick to ban, and, ask you to moderate them.
01:28.32bob2kingsley_: stop it
01:28.34WyzardGnea: He's in the debconf wizard, not the file itself
01:28.50LightVisionWyzard:  X starts with VESA, but when I chose my video card, X wont start!  weird
01:28.52GneaWyzard: he obviously knows how to switch virtual consoles
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01:29.08Plazmaholy crap @ 268KB/sec download.. musta hit a good server
01:29.12WyzardLightVision: What video card, and what does the X logfile say when it fails?
01:29.13GneaLightVision: what kind of card is it?
01:29.22GneaPlazma: slow.
01:29.26finksterchi...
01:29.30LightVisionWyzard:  doesnt say anything!  Just doesnt boot and goes to a prompt
01:29.36PlazmaGnea... its DSL and im happy with it :D
01:29.45GneaPlazma: actually for DSL, that is good ;)
01:29.49LightVisionWyzard:  it stops as kde is loading and jumps to a prompt
01:29.53PlazmaGnea, :D
01:29.58LightVisionGnea:  its a Kyro
01:30.02compguymacok, back
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01:30.06SerpentWolfcan anyone assist me. Im having alot of init script wierdness, and it seems its because my debian does not know in which runlevel it is. 'runlevel' returns "unknown"... any advice woudl be appreciated
01:30.09GneaLightVision: a what? :)
01:30.12WyzardLightVision: So X starts, and you see KDE start to load, and then it disappears suddenly?
01:30.25WyzardLightVision: The X server is crashing...  look in the logfile for messages that might tell you why
01:30.34bob2SerpentWolf: and how did you get into that situation?
01:30.43SerpentWolfbob2 no idea really... :/
01:30.48LightVisionGnea:  Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 Kyro II graphics card
01:30.51SerajewelKShrm
01:30.56SerajewelKSWyzard, neverwinter nights crashes now
01:31.01Plazmaoh thats sweet.. lost conection for as ec.. and reran apt-get install and ti just picked up where it left off.. booya
01:31.04compguymacmy debian system... when i log into X, it goes to the higest res it can: 1600x1200 but when i set it to 1024x768 and save settings and restart X, it goes back to 1600x1200
01:31.09LightVisionWyzard:  kde begins to load, and then jumps out into a ptompt
01:31.09GneaLightVision: that sounds like a geforce to me
01:31.19LordBrainGnea: " Aptitude is a new APT frontend which aims to test the limits of what an APT frontend can do." according to http://aptitude.sourceforge.net  So.. apt, as in APT, is more than just apt-*.
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01:31.38compguymacback
01:31.40SerajewelKSWyzard, looks like it wants glx
01:31.43SerajewelKSbrb
01:31.45LordBrainunless something has changed since that was written..
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01:32.03kingsley_bob2: Stop what? Addressing mentor?
01:32.17SerpentWolfthe main problem is i cant really configure the rc scripts if runlevel keeps telling me im in an unknown runlevel
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01:33.00GneaLordBrain: er, you just contradicted yourself
01:33.25bob2kingsley_: if you're going to whinge, do it in /msg and show me what on earth you're complaining about
01:33.33bob2kingsley_: as well as times so I can look it up in my logs
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01:33.40SimonRavenkingsley_: you know, i'll tell you this now, but it seems to me that you're just asking for a kick, to satisfy and prove to yourself that the #debian ops are awful. all you're doing now is asking for it
01:34.13GneaLordBrain: well it doesn't matter, as long as you understand it :)
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01:35.01deadcathow do i set the smacs and enacs in termcap or terminfo?
01:35.06LordBrainhmm somehow we are talking past eachother i guess.
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01:35.10LordBrainbut ok
01:35.21kingsley_SimonRaven: I know I'm taking a risk. But I've considered the matter and think that #debian has enough potential to be worth it.
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01:35.42Gneadeadcat: just ask your local smac dealer ;)
01:35.51deadcatGnea: whats smac?
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01:36.00Gneadeadcat: nevermind.
01:36.01ke6isfIn apache 1.3.3, I'm unable to load PHP files - the browser keeps wanting to download them.  Why, and how do I fix this?
01:36.14deadcatke6isf: enable in httpd.conf?
01:36.16jdhutchin1ke6isf, make sure your mime types are set correctly
01:36.22deadcatke6isf: module laoded?
01:36.40ke6isfdeadcat: Last I could tell, yeah.  Lemme double check.
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01:36.53Gneake6isf: AddType?
01:36.55ke6isfdeadcat: It's started malfunctioning in apache2 as well, mysteriously.
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01:37.06deadcatke6isf: also try with diff browser. firefox is stupid. you have to press shift and refresh i think
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01:37.22MustangMatt!grub
01:37.23dpkgmethinks grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs..  Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.
01:37.38johnWhat is the apt-get command to install xorg? and the dpkg command to reconfigure it?
01:37.45deadcatscreen cant display some char. how do i fix that? i am getting all lqqqqqqqqqqqq
01:37.52SerpentWolfso no one's got an idea how to make runlevel "know" which runlevel its in again ?
01:37.57ke6isfI think the module may not be loaded.
01:38.00LordBraini like grub
01:38.01Gneajohn: apt-get install xserver-xorg
01:38.01bob2kingsley_: I don't appear to have a message window with your log snippets yet
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01:38.08deadcatSerpentWolf: runlevel
01:38.09bob2SerpentWolf: that is unlikely to be an issue at all
01:38.14HayArmsjohn: do you use sid?
01:38.16bob2SerpentWolf: figure out wtf happened to init, first
01:38.22HayArmsI mean, unstable
01:38.34SerpentWolfbob2 ok. ill go have a look at init.
01:38.45johnHayArms: Yeah, I just forgot. I know how to dpkg-reconfigure it, i just forgot the install command
01:38.52johnit's been "forever" since i reinstalled lol
01:38.57deadcatbob2: you using screen?
01:39.02HayArms:þ
01:39.20deadcatsomeone echo ^Na^O please, see what you get.
01:39.24finksterSope...does someone know how to autoLoggin to a console-mode OS? (without using any X11 app)...?
01:39.25HayArmsThat's debian powa, even with the unstable one
01:39.36ke6isfdeadcat: I take it that I should be looking for 'libapache-mod-*' for apache 1.3.3, yesno?
01:39.55deadcatke6isf: let me check my settings
01:40.02bob2deadcat: yes
01:40.05ke6isfaO
01:40.08ke6isfa
01:40.16bob2ke6isf: they're noy reliably named like that, sadly
01:40.19deadcatke6isf: LoadModule php5_module in /etc/apache/modules.conf
01:40.37deadcatke6isf: damn. i guess your term is not displaying it correct either.
01:40.48deadcatbob2: try that echo command and see what you get please.
01:41.07ke6isfdeadcat: What was I supposed to see with that combination of keystrokes?
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01:41.21deadcatke6isf: not a thats for sure. (=
01:41.25MustangMatt!courier
01:41.25dpkgrumour has it, courier is an mta, a pop3 and an imap server, all of which are pretty good.
01:41.35akusarujinafter unplugging/plugging in an aiptek tablet, one of the lines in dmesg after i tailed it read "usbhid: probe of 3-1:1.0 failed with error -5" should i take any notice to this?
01:41.39MustangMattAnyone have first hand experience with Courier?
01:41.51HayArms!msg dpkg ssb
01:41.53deadcatMustangMatt: no. second hand.
01:41.58bob2deadcat: literal ^ or a ctrol-n
01:42.00jdhutchin1I've used its imap server with postfix for smtp
01:42.00bob2MustangMatt: sadly, yes
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01:42.08HayArms!msg dpkg backport
01:42.10deadcatbob2: control n
01:42.18MustangMattbob2: Didn't like it? I was considering switching from sendmail when I upgrade from woody to sarge.
01:42.28jdhutchin1MustangMatt, if what you have works, don't change it
01:42.47bob2MustangMatt: oh, the courier MTA? never bothered with that
01:42.49MustangMattjdhutchin1: I have something that mostly works but not 100%.
01:42.52jdhutchin1porting mail server configs can be painful at best
01:42.56bob2MustangMatt: I used courier pop/imap with postfix, now I use dovecot instead
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01:43.08Plazmai love grapes
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01:43.21tomaasakusarujin: aiptek is which vendor's product?
01:43.27ricky_clarksonIf one were to inject a packet to a computer for a network it didn't know how to reach, what would happen?
01:43.30MustangMattMy spfmilter crashes all the time. No idea why either.
01:43.38ricky_clarksonWould it be silently dropped, for example?
01:43.40akusarujintomaas, eh?
01:43.46biohazrdwhoops, never seen this error before
01:43.49bob2ricky_clarkson: a router would say "host unreachable"
01:43.53bob2ricky_clarkson: perhaps the machine itself
01:43.55jdhutchin1ricky_clarkson, you might get an imap no route to host
01:43.59ricky_clarksonbob2: Before it got to the router..
01:44.00biohazrdeggy: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop.
01:44.03kingsley_bob2: Did you see the information that I sent privately?
01:44.15bob2ricky_clarkson: if the machine itself has no default route, it will throw the error
01:44.18biohazrdThis is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option.
01:44.18biohazrdeggy: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs
01:44.20ricky_clarksonjdhutchin1: s/imap/icmp/?
01:44.27jdhutchin1ricky_clarkson, yeah, oops
01:44.35eggy=/
01:44.49ricky_clarksonIs that why a machine needs 127.0.0.1 ?
01:45.01compguymacthast loopback
01:45.04compguymacthats
01:45.05tomaasakusarujin: is apitek a company? this is a tablet-pen dev you are talking about?
01:45.11jdhutchin1I don't think that has anything to do with it, but I'm probably not the one to ask
01:45.17ricky_clarksonOk.  Suppose a computer has NO network cards..
01:45.26compguymack
01:45.28ricky_clarksonYou ask it to connect to some.ip.address.or.other
01:45.35bob2ricky_clarkson: network cards are not the issue
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01:45.38akusarujintomaas, uh, yeah? what's wrong with that? never heard of them? http://www.aiptek.com/
01:45.38bob2ricky_clarkson: routes are
01:45.43ricky_clarksonbob2: I know.
01:45.49ricky_clarksonWhich IP does the ICMP NET_UNREACHABLE go to?
01:45.49jdhutchin1you'll get a no route to host, RichiH
01:45.53bob2ricky_clarkson: "ip route show"; if it says nothing, every packet will get ICMP unreachable
01:46.01bob2ricky_clarkson: the one you sent from
01:46.08bob2ricky_clarkson: if you only have localhost, that will be it
01:46.19tomaasakusarujin: i'll go chekc it up and return later.
01:46.20bob2ricky_clarkson: and thank you for bringing this up, I finally understand an error I saw in 2002
01:46.27LightVisionGnea:  i have the Hercules 3D Prophet 4000XT graphics card
01:46.32ke6isfdeadcat: Line I have inserted into my httpd.conf is 'LoadModule /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so' - apache -t complains, however, says my syntax is wrong.  What am I missing?
01:46.39ricky_clarksonbob2: "the one you sent from" is the best answer I could have asked for, I think.
01:46.40biohazrdwhat option is to activate force-loopbreak?
01:46.59LightVisionWyzard:  where is the log file located for that?
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01:47.39bob2ricky_clarkson: the source ip also depends on the routing table; if your only route is 127.0.0.0/8 on loopback, that's where it will come from
01:48.04ke6isfdeadcat: Note that the last time I had to configure this crap was when I was running Mandreck's Apache 2 variant up until Sarge came out.  It worked, but boy was it a bitch to set up. =O.o=
01:48.14kingsley_biohazrd: apt-get -o APT::Force-Loopbreak=true install e2fsprogs
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01:48.24ricky_clarksonbob2: I'll go back in time and let you know in 2002.  Oh, and while I'm at it, it's a shame Ubuntu didn't make it past the IBM patent issue in 2008.
01:48.29WyzardLightVision: /var/log/XFree86.0.log
01:48.30deadcatke6isf: LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp5.so
01:48.32Plazmaanyone ever messed with gimpshop before on debian? i found an article but im not sure if you havet o install regular gimp first or not
01:48.35GneaLightVision: interesting, what does it show up as in lspci | grep VGA?
01:48.43deadcatke6isf: thats what i hvae in my /etc/apache/modules.conf
01:48.53ricky_clarksonbob2: Yes, but you could feasibly inject a packet into a system that comes 'from' an imaginary address.
01:48.56bob2ricky_clarkson: heh
01:48.59biohazrdThe following packages will be REMOVED:
01:48.59biohazrd<PROTECTED>
01:49.05ke6isfdeadcat: No dice on php5.  Vary accordingly for php4, I presume?
01:49.07biohazrdkingsley that is not good!
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01:49.18bob2ricky_clarkson: right, then you'd probably make it loop the unreachable message
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01:49.26bob2Plazma: it's pretty pointless
01:49.29bob2kingsley_: no, I have not
01:49.31ricky_clarksonbob2: Even a Linux system?
01:49.35deadcatke6isf: just change 5 to 4
01:49.38Plazmabob2, well im very familiar with photoshop .. guess thast why i was looking into it
01:49.46deadcatke6isf: did you install the module package?
01:49.46ricky_clarksonbob2: You don't send ICMP messages about ICMP messages, that's in the ICMP RFC.
01:49.59MustangMattPlazma: IMHO it's not all it's hyped up to be.
01:50.02deadcatke6isf: libapache-mod-php5
01:50.15deadcatbob2: what did you get from the echo command?
01:50.18PlazmaMustangMatt, oh yea? hmm.. i thought about just buying cross over office and using the real copy of photoshop i have
01:50.19bob2ricky_clarkson: ahh, ok, duh me
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01:50.25Plazma40 bucks isnt much
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01:50.37MustangMattPlazma: If you're familiar with photoshop I would recommend going that route probably.
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01:50.54biohazrdkingsley_: any way to prevent it from removing initrd-tools, kernel-image etc.. ?
01:50.54ke6isfdeadcat: I don't think that's in Sarge.  What's policy say from your end?
01:50.57UnKnowN__why dont any of my games i recently installed not work
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01:51.12deadcatke6isf: just change php5 to php4
01:51.13PlazmaMustangMatt, well ive used the gimp and its ok, not what im used to i guess, and i have access to photoshop no matter where i go as well
01:51.37tomaasakusarujin: ok, it is a tablet-stylus. i am using a Genius Wizardpen. Does not with vendor's  Linux driver but someon had written one for it. Does yours come with a Linux driver?
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01:51.50biohazrdi am sensing immediate death of my laptop in the next few keystrokes
01:51.58ricky_clarksonGenius Wizardpen.  Is that a real name?!
01:52.07LightVisionGnea:  it says; 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: STMicroelectronics STG4000 [3D Prophet Kyro Series] (rev 01
01:52.08xerophyteis ssl certification port independent for example if optain a ssl certification for secure.domin.com can i run the secure.domain.com in different port numbr then 443?
01:52.21LightVisionGnea:  seems its reporting different to what my manual says
01:52.28akusarujintomaas, i wasn't really having issues with the pen so much as with the usbhid system in the kernel.
01:52.30LightVisionWyzard:  ok ty
01:52.35tomaasricky_clarkson: yeh, MIT(Made-In-Taiwan).
01:52.45akusarujini was just curious if the error was something to take note of or not
01:52.52akusarujini doubt it's a problem, though
01:53.07biohazrddeslect seems to be handling this better than apt-get  so I will let it ride...
01:53.12deadcatanyone know the file that contains the signal strength of a prism(hostap) card?
01:53.18bob2xerophyte: sure
01:53.42tomaasakusarujin: you mean it works alright without any problem even with that error msg?
01:53.45UnKnowN__How do I fix it so this one game Enemy Territory doesn't get bad resolutions
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01:53.57lispyetch = testing?
01:54.00deadcatUnKnowN__: buy a better video card.
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01:54.03deadcatlispy: yes
01:54.03UnKnowN__i did
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01:54.05GneaLightVision: wow, that's rather rare (And new) i'm not sure what to say to that
01:54.07UnKnowN__Just my monitor
01:54.10akusarujintomaas, i don't know, it's not on my machine and the person i was helping went afk, but i'm almost 100% positive it will work perfectly fine.
01:54.13lispydeadcat: thanks
01:54.13UnKnowN__Its going for 1200x1600
01:54.17deadcatUnKnowN__: buy a better monitor
01:54.17UnKnowN__85Hz
01:54.27ke6isfdeadcat: Works in Mozilla, not Firefox.  Go fig.
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01:54.33xerophytebob2, thx
01:54.42UnKnowN__deadcat: I already got one
01:54.47deadcatke6isf: refresh firefox. its working already.
01:54.52EiscremeI want to delete "java" ...  "apt-get remove java"  tells me that "java" is NOT installed,  but my  shell  starts java when I type in "java" ... so how can I find out what the Package-Name is?
01:54.53tomaasakusarujin: what's afk?
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01:55.08ricky_clarksonEiscreme: `which java`
01:55.09akusarujinaway from the keyboard.
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01:55.14ke6isfdeadcat: Just flushed cache as well.  Stand by
01:55.15kvidell!moo
01:55.15dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies
01:55.23ricky_clarkson!qotd0
01:55.24dpkgi guess qotd120 is <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue?
01:55.24LightVisionGnea:  and in /var/log/XFree86.0.log it shows my card properly!  so lspci | grep VGA contradicts the lspci | grep VGA!  Is that unusual?
01:55.26Eiscremericky_clarkson:  root@10[/]# which java
01:55.26Eiscreme<PROTECTED>
01:55.34ricky_clarksonEiscreme: ls -l /usr/bin/java
01:55.38UnKnowN__]
01:55.49Eiscremericky_clarkson:  lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 22 2005-05-11 14:40 /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java
01:55.51ke6isfdeadcat: ...it's alive.  Thanks. =^^=
01:55.51ricky_clarksonls -l /etc/alternatives/java
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01:55.53ke6isf!beer deadcat
01:55.58LightVisionGnea:  so lspci | grep VGA contradicts the /var/log/XFree86.0.log.  Is that unusual?
01:56.03Eiscremelrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 26 2005-05-11 14:38 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/bin/java
01:56.04MustangMatteiscreme: updatedb; locate java; dpkg -S /path/java
01:56.11LightVision!hug ke6isf
01:56.16ke6isfHeya LightVision
01:56.21GneaLightVision: what i'm saying, is that your video card is unusual :)
01:56.22LightVisionke6isf:  hello there my friend :)
01:56.30LightVisionGnea:  ah heheh ;)
01:56.35ricky_clarksonEiscreme: dpkg -S /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/bin/java
01:56.40LightVisionGnea:  its one of those cheap chinese ones
01:56.59ke6isfAnyone recommend a good replacement for phpBB that can read a phpBB dataset?
01:57.01Eiscremethank you ricky_clarkson
01:57.08Eiscremeand thank you MustangMatt
01:57.10ricky_clarksonEiscreme: What's the name, btw?
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01:57.19LightVisionGnea:  if you were me, what would you chose as video card when running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ?
01:57.23Eiscremericky_clarkson: I am Max... glad to meet you
01:57.25MustangMattke6isf: What's wrong with using phpBB?
01:57.32ricky_clarksonEiscreme: .. of the package.
01:57.40Eiscremericky_clarkson: that was my question to you
01:57.43LightVisionMustangMatt:  that wasnt the question :)
01:57.53ricky_clarksonEiscreme: dpkg -S was supposed to tell you.
01:57.56ke6isfMustangMatt: All sorts of weird crap. Shall I list?
01:57.57Eiscremeoh
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01:58.00EiscremeI thought it would uninstall
01:58.02Eiscremeroot@10[/]# dpkg -S /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/bin/java
01:58.02Eiscremej2re1.4: /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/bin/java
01:58.09LightVisionGnea:  your thoughts?
01:58.10MustangMattLightVision: True, but if I know what his problem is, I might be able to recommend something that doesn't have the same problems.
01:58.13ricky_clarksonEiscreme: apt-get remove j2re1.4
01:58.23LightVisionMustangMatt:  fair comment :)
01:58.35LightVisionMustangMatt:  is your Mustang red?
01:58.44Eiscremericky_clarkson: thank you for the fast help!
01:58.45MustangMattLightVision: atlantic blue
01:58.47ricky_clarksonEiscreme: dpkg -S will search for the package containing java and tell you the name.  It said j2re1.4.  So you uninstall j2re1.4
01:58.51LightVisionMustangMatt:  nice :)
01:58.58LightVisionMustangMatt:  any pics?
01:59.01Eiscremericky_clarkson: do you know how I now can install the real official and good java?
01:59.03GneaLightVision: i'm googling this now, there is no linux support for it.
01:59.04Eiscremethe sun java
01:59.07tomaasakusarujin: i don't think the device is properly installed into the system. you first have to check whether it is being used with a Linux driver. Then you have to configure it as a dev for xfree, then check that the kernel is config for USB dev.
01:59.10MustangMattLightVision: http://www.cyberstangs.com/users/seaasp/
01:59.13ricky_clarksonEiscreme: apt-get install java-package
01:59.17ke6isfMustangMatt: occasional "unique" problem, where unique ids will turn up screwy, forbidding the ability to post
01:59.37ke6isfMustangMatt: Never knows when it wants to connect with the database, even after troubleshooting
01:59.37MustangMattke6isf: I assume you're running the latest stable version?
01:59.42LightVisionGnea:  ah ok :(  thank you for your help!  So I guess I have to stay with VESA and not play DVD or video files.  They are slow and choppy!
01:59.49Eiscremericky_clarkson: there is no "java-package"
01:59.56ricky_clarkson!info java-package
02:00.03Eiscremericky_clarkson: `apt-cache search java`  gives out:    http://85.124.77.138/sun.txt
02:00.10ke6isfMustangMatt: Probably not... oh bloody hell, there's a package there in apt.
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02:00.15dpkgjava-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.26 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 308 kB
02:00.18LightVisionGnea:  my only solution to get smooth videos playing is get a new video card then for Sarge/
02:00.25LightVisionGnea:  would that be right?
02:00.31ricky_clarkson!info java-package sarge
02:00.33dpkgjava-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
02:00.39ricky_clarksonEiscreme: Are you using woody?
02:00.42Eiscremericky_clarkson:  no ...
02:00.44Eiscremericky_clarkson: sid
02:00.48LightVisionMustangMatt:  wow, really nice car!  love it
02:00.49WyzardLightVision: Preferably, check whether the hardware you want to buy is supported *before* you buy it  :-)
02:00.51ke6isfAnyone recommend a good process for self lobotomies so that I can unlearn the Mandreck way? =^_^=
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02:00.55ricky_clarksonEiscreme: Have you got contrib in your sources?
02:01.02Eiscremecontrib?
02:01.03Eiscremeno idea
02:01.04MustangMattLightVision: Thanks, I haven't been driving it much since I bought a motorcycle though.
02:01.06GneaLightVision: i would have to say so, but maybe someone somewhere is working on a driver for it and you just have to hunt them down
02:01.10LightVisionWyzard:  great idea!  btw, can you play smooth dvd and video from Debian?
02:01.11ricky_clarksonEiscreme: apt-setup
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02:01.17WyzardLightVision: yes
02:01.25LightVisionMustangMatt:  you can tell you look after that car, really nice.
02:01.28Eiscremeroot@10[/]# apt-setup
02:01.28Eiscremebash: apt-setup: command not found
02:01.33vladuz976can someone explain to me what sarge and sid is?
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02:01.43ke6isfEiscreme: What version of Debian are you running?
02:01.43ricky_clarksonvladuz976: /msg dpkg sarge
02:01.43LightVisionWyzard:  what video card are you using?
02:01.44ricky_clarksonvladuz976: /msg dpkg sid
02:01.51ricky_clarkson!info apt-setup
02:01.52ke6isfvladuz976: sarge is stable, sid isn't.
02:02.09MustangMattDid etch exist before sarge went to stable?
02:02.10LightVisionGnea:  the card is rather old now too. so I need a new one perhaps
02:02.12WyzardLightVision: nVidia Geforce2 GTS...  it's an old card, about five years old, and nVidia is dropping support for it, so I'll be upgrading to a Geforce 6200 soon
02:02.14Eiscremeke6isf: how can I find this out?  A friend of mine gave me a self-burned cd with the words DEBIAN SID on it
02:02.15ricky_clarksonEiscreme: You know you said java-package isn't in that list?  Well it is.
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02:02.25ricky_clarksonjava-package - utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages
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02:02.34ricky_clarksonFrom http://85.124.77.138/sun.txt
02:02.38ke6isfEiscreme: Sid?!  Are you familiar with Linux or Debian?
02:02.39vladuz976ke6isf, so sarge is really outdated then?
02:02.39Eiscremeoh
02:02.39LightVisionWyzard:  but Debian supports your nVidia Geforce2 GTS?
02:02.40Eiscremesorry
02:02.43WyzardEiscreme: Then it's already out-of-date by definition...  sid changes every day, as new versions of packages are uploaded
02:02.46ricky_clarkson!rfd Eiscreme
02:02.47dpkgA book you might like to study, Eiscreme: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif
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02:02.50ke6isfvladuz976: Sarge went stable in June.
02:02.57GneaLightVision: you might want to consider, if you can afford it, something along the lines of a GeForce FX 5500 or better
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02:03.03MustangMattJune? I thought it was August.
02:03.10GneaLightVision: they make several versions: AGP, PCI and PCI-X
02:03.11WyzardLightVision: Well, I'm using nVidia's proprietary closed-source driver...  there's also an open-source driver available, but it doesn't support 3D acceleration
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02:03.14Eiscremericky_clarkson: java-package is installing now ... is this all?
02:03.15LightVisionGnea:  is that what you use?
02:03.16ke6isfMustangMatt: Nope, was June.
02:03.19vladuz976ke6isf, so for sid to go stable it will take long time?
02:03.20WyzardLightVision: Both drivers work fine for 2D though
02:03.23GneaLightVision: currently, yes
02:03.26m2august? I thought it was "too late"
02:03.26MustangMattke6isf: Time flies so quickly.
02:03.28m2*g*
02:03.32LightVisionGnea:  ok
02:03.38ricky_clarksonEiscreme: I don't know, I've never used it.  I'm a Java developer, I prefer the control of installing Java things 'manually'.
02:03.38ke6isfvladuz976: Sid is never going stable, it looks like.  The next candidate for 'stable' is etch.
02:03.44Eiscremericky_clarkson: this book-image is not nice *g*
02:03.50vladuz976ke6isf, waht are those names?
02:03.54Wyzardke6isf: sid is never stable by definition
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02:04.09GneaLightVision: and, while ATI claims to have recently improved their linux support, they really haven't, nvidia still has them beat.
02:04.12ke6isfWyzard: Well, yeah, they call it 'unstable' for a good reason - the same reason I don't run it. =^_^=
02:04.16LightVisionWyzard:  is there a list I can read about that video cards are fully supported in Debian where it already works on Debian without me having to hunt down drivers?
02:04.38LightVisionGnea:  so nvidia is the way to go as far as using Debian with it?
02:04.41MustangMattvladuz976: The way debian works is they codename each stage of debian. Once testing has all it's bugs reduced to zero it becomes stable. Unstable doesn't always become testing though.
02:04.51GneaLightVision: yeah, they're the most supported
02:04.52ke6isfvladuz976: The names come from the Toy Story movies.  Sarge is stable, Sid is testing (read: next up for 'stable'), and Sid will always be unstable.  Feed those names to dpkg to get more information on them.
02:04.58m2LightVision: 3d or no 3d?
02:04.58abrotmanGnea: they are not
02:05.02GneaLightVision: intels are good too
02:05.07MustangMattbrb
02:05.07Eiscremericky_clarkson: java-package is installed now,  but when I want to call "java",  the shell tells me:
02:05.07WyzardLightVision: nVidia cards are the best supported for 3D...  there are lots of cards that work fine for 2D though
02:05.10Gneaabrotman: yes, yes they are.
02:05.11LightVisionm2:  3d wouild be good
02:05.14abrotmanGnea: they are not
02:05.16Eiscremericky_clarkson: user@11[~]$ java
02:05.16Eiscremebash: java: command not found
02:05.27Gneaabrotman: i just stated fact that backs up my claim. where is yours? :)
02:05.30ricky_clarksonEiscreme: dpkg -L java-package
02:05.31m2LightVision: "out of the box", Radeons (9200 seems popular)
02:05.38ke6isfEiscreme: So that said, are you familiar with Debian, or Linux?
02:05.39m2LightVision: with a tiny bit of work NVIDIAs.
02:05.41abrotmanGnea: you think closed drivers equate to the "most supported" ?
02:05.43LightVisionWyzard:  my card works great atm, its just I cant play any videos or DVD or any games at all!  everything is too choppy
02:06.11LightVisionWyzard:  ok, ill have a look for a nVidia video card then
02:06.12WyzardLightVision: I wouldn't call that "works great"...  you're using the VESA driver, which is very generic and provides no acceleration at all
02:06.15LightVisionm2:  ok
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02:06.19Eiscremericky_clarkson: http://85.124.77.138/output.txt
02:06.24Eiscremeke6isf: not a lot but a bit
02:06.29LightVisionWyzard:  true, works ok, not great :)
02:06.30WyzardLightVision: You can get Geforce6200 cards for around $70 USD
02:06.37LightVisionWyzard:  ok
02:06.39LightVisionthanks
02:06.50Thanashibawhat are the name of the device for "firewire cdrom" ?'
02:06.51ricky_clarksonEiscreme: /usr/share/doc/java-package/README.Debian
02:06.54ricky_clarksonRead it.
02:06.58Gneaabrotman: no, i consider a driver package that has a solid baseline of features and support that operates on any kernel on either x86 or x86_64 to be highly superior to a set of drivers that are hastily and not-neatly scattered everywhere
02:07.00GuerinThanashiba: dmesg
02:07.08Thanashibano, I don't have firewire
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02:07.19ThanashibaI need only the name of the device
02:07.22ke6isfEiscreme: One of the notional prereqs to running Sid is that you not only fully understand Linux, but you're able to correct the little problems as they come up.  You might try downloading the netinst CD.
02:07.24abrotmanGnea: you forgot PPC
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02:07.31WyzardLightVision: If you decide to get an nVidia card and want to use the proprietary driver which provides 3D acceleration, you'll need to install some extra packages for that
02:07.38chealGnea: and unstable too
02:07.40ke6isf!tell Eiscreme -about netinst
02:07.53LightVisionits a shame I wasnt able to get my full potential hercules Prophet 4000XT to work under debian!  i guess I have to stick with VESA for the meantime till I get a new card :P
02:07.53abrotmanGnea: i say intel is the most supported .. perhaps not the best performing .. but the most supported
02:07.54Eiscremericky_clarkson: this textfile tells me how to download it ... but it has nothing to deal with the java-packag
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02:08.12ricky_clarkson!que Eiscreme
02:08.13dpkgEiscreme, please see http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/que.html
02:08.13LightVisionWyzard:  is that hard to install some extra packages for that for a newbie?
02:08.21GuerinThanashiba: depends
02:08.23WyzardLightVision: Not really, no...  just something to be aware of
02:08.32LightVisionWyzard:  ok i understand
02:08.33ricky_clarkson!qotd0
02:08.34dpkgmethinks qotd144 is < LightVision> madradrone:  if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i?
02:08.40SerpentWolfthe default runlevel is 2 right? can i just use 3 for example from now on? or do you have run 2 for multiuser?
02:08.53abrotmanricky_clarkson: good timing
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02:09.01Gneaabrotman: for instance, the radeon in a laptop that i'm working is nothing but garbage.  i got the proper linux driver set for it off of ati's website and followed the directions, i could get it compiled in 2.6.12 in the 64-bit mode, but it still doesn't load right because the entire system is too new, and in 32-bit mode it won't even finish compile, after it converts a goddamn rpm to source which then attempts to make a .deb file out
02:09.11ricky_clarksonSerpentWolf: Runlevels are far less important in Debian than other distros.
02:09.14jdhutchin1SerpentWolf, debian doesn't use runlevels for any specific things like other distros do.  You can use any runlevel you want (besides 1)
02:09.17abrotmanGnea: i didn't say ATI cards were the most supported
02:09.40SerpentWolfricky_clarkson/ jdhutchin1 thanks
02:09.53abrotmanGnea: moral issues?
02:10.06Gneaabrotman: the bottom line is that it 'does not work'.
02:10.12WyzardGnea: I've installed that driver too...  had to manually divert some file because fglrx contained a duplicate of it
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02:10.27abrotmanGnea: i didn't say that ati was most supported ..
02:10.38chealintel ships RPM drivers for linux?
02:10.39abrotmanGnea: if you want something good enough .. and open drivers .. use intel stuff
02:10.44abrotmancheal: no ..
02:10.51abrotmancheal: in xorg/xfree
02:10.51chealI mean, only RPM drivers for their video cards :6
02:10.54GneaWyzard: exactly, but in this case it goes back to something a QT library has and is installed (i went back and checked all the library loads and includes) and it still comes up with the error
02:11.11Wyzardhehe
02:11.15abrotmancheal: the drivers for the intel cards are open .. unlike ati/nvidia
02:11.32chealabrotman: I know...that's why I bought my Z71A, after all :)
02:11.38abrotmanok
02:11.38Gneaabrotman: the fact that debian has an nvidia layer to it to support the card is good enough for me. and it's available easily in apt/dpkg.
02:11.48chealand to not have a centrino too
02:11.52abrotmanGnea: still not "most supported" :)
02:11.56tuvi'm using an external firewire dvd-writer. Once I unplug the firewire cable from the machine, I've to reboot to get the writer seen again. Until I reboot, it is as if the writer is not connected
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02:12.18abrotmanGnea: is e17 GPU intensive?
02:12.27Gneaabrotman: i dunno man, i've deal with a shitton of nvidia cards in linux, and everytime that driver support it, bar-none. :)
02:12.36Gneait doesn't matter what WM
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02:12.45abrotmanGnea: no . i was just wondering
02:12.45chealGnea: I'd say """easily"""
02:12.46Gneaeven playing DVDs can have a performance issue
02:12.49jdhutchin1tuv, have you checked dmesg messages to see?
02:12.51Gneaabrotman: it can be
02:13.12abrotmanGnea: i mean . .does it use hardware functions to draw directly ?
02:13.13Gneacheal: thus making it one of the most supported
02:13.19Gnea'one of' :P
02:13.37tuvjdhutchin1: dmesg says nothing when I unplug the firewire cable
02:13.42chealGnea: unfortunately. fortunately, behind intel
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02:13.58LightVisionGnea:  does "dpkg" keep track of what goes with what, dependencies etc?
02:14.16Gneacheal: oh look, some idiot just released another exploit, let's bury our heads in the sand of bitching about large companies! :P
02:14.25bob2not technically
02:14.28GneaLightVision: yeah
02:14.28bob2but in practice, yes
02:14.45ke6isfMustangMatt: You know how to fix 'call to undefined function' in phpBB by any chance?
02:14.58abrotmanke6isf: which undefined function?
02:15.04GneaLightVision: the .deb files themselves actually have the information, dpkg just reads and deciphers it
02:15.13ke6isfabrotman: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: pg_connect() in /opt/www/html/cvsl/floofyfur/forum/db/postgres7.php on line 79
02:15.17LightVisionGnea:  and apt-get is a front end to dpkg and aptitude is a front end to apt-get.  right? :)
02:15.20abrotmanke6isf: php4-pgsql
02:15.26ke6isfabrotman: Note, this is not from the apt-sources.
02:15.28LightVisionGnea:  ok makes sense
02:15.33ke6isfabrotman: Oh, fsck. *headdesk*
02:15.42abrotmanke6isf: then you need to compile php4/5 with pgsql support
02:15.47Eiscremericky_clarkson?
02:15.48WyzardLightVision: Sort of...  apt-get and aptitude are both related frontends to dpkg
02:15.50GneaLightVision: er, no, aptitude is a frontend to dpkg
02:15.52Eiscremericky_clarkson: I downloaded  "jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin"
02:16.00Eiscremericky_clarkson: how to install a "bin" file?
02:16.05ke6isfabrotman: Thanks. =^^=
02:16.09ricky_clarksonEiscreme: Are you still using java-package?
02:16.10jvwke6isf: use the debian phpbb2 package, and it'll tell you what's wrong
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02:16.12WyzardEiscreme: apt-get install java-package
02:16.18ricky_clarksonWyzard: Been there.
02:16.19geoffedohello all
02:16.28Eiscremericky_clarkson: you told me to read the readme
02:16.29WyzardEiscreme: and run "make-jpkg" on that file...  it'll build a .deb that you can install with dpkg
02:16.29LightVisionGnea:  and then as dpkg  reads and deciphers the deb files, where is the info stored about needed dependencies?  In the deb files, or the dpkg?
02:16.34Eiscremericky_clarkson: I did what the readme told me
02:16.39ricky_clarksonEiscreme: Which was?
02:16.41abrotmanLightVision: the Packages file
02:16.42Eiscreme<PROTECTED>
02:16.42Eiscreme<PROTECTED>
02:16.42Eiscreme<PROTECTED>
02:16.42Eiscreme<PROTECTED>
02:16.43Eiscreme<PROTECTED>
02:16.43LightVisionWyzard:  ok
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02:16.59Eiscremeit told me to Download from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
02:17.02abrotmanEiscreme: DON"T FLOOD
02:17.09geoffedoI need of your help
02:17.09GneaLightVision: not sure, you could try ripping the source apart tho to find out :)
02:17.10Eiscreme>>  (Choose "(Linux) self-extracting file", i586 or amd64, do _not_ choose the RPM
02:17.17WyzardEiscreme: Yes, you download the .bin file, and then you run make-jpkg on it
02:17.19LightVisionGnea:  heheh ;)
02:17.22jdhutchin1Eiscreme, you want to look into make-jpkg
02:17.22geoffedofor than i can boot my debian
02:17.23abrotmanGnea: i think the Packages file
02:17.29Gnea!tell geoffedo about ask
02:17.38WyzardLightVision: dpkg maintains a database of information about the packages that are currently installed
02:17.44GneaLightVision: yeah, what abrotman said
02:17.44chealGnea: hum, I didn't really understand the last thing you replied to me
02:17.44LightVisionWyzard:  perhaps you know :)  When dpkg reads and deciphers the deb files, where is the info stored about needed dependencies?  In the deb files, or the dpkg?
02:17.44abrotmanthough .. that would kind of suck
02:17.48jdhutchin1!tell Eiscreme about java-package
02:17.51Gneamy brain is gonna melt in a sec
02:17.53geoffedothx sorry for my bad english in advance but im french
02:17.58WyzardLightVision: It's in /var/lib/dpkg...  look, but don't touch
02:17.59LightVisionGnea:  I dont see abrotman. what did  he say?
02:18.02Gneacheal: it's called 'sarcasm' :)
02:18.06LightVisionWyzard:  hehe ok
02:18.11GneaLightVision: why don't you see him?
02:18.24LightVisionGnea:  i only have 1 person in my ignore list
02:18.25MustangMatt!tell MustangMatt about tell
02:18.31GneaLightVision: that's not my problem.
02:18.39chealgeoffedo: you could ask #debian-fr. or ask your question
02:18.40LightVisionGnea:  not mine either :)  peace
02:18.40kingsley_biohazrd: I'm back. I suggest testing with -s. A newer kernel may be installed. It was for me.
02:18.44abrotmanGnea: she ignored me because she's a 'troll' and i'm a rat-bastard!
02:18.52GneaROFL
02:18.57LightVisionGnea:  :)
02:18.57molsenCan someone tell me where to get more info on .dep's (i.e. building building them and such)?
02:19.04geoffedoit's a fresh install of debian on my laptop and all it's ok when i install but after and boot he stop on a error
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02:19.09WyzardLightVision: That's only for installed packages though...  dpkg knows nothing about packages that aren't installed
02:19.37CaT[tm]hey folks. does anyone know why s/w raid 1 partitions would not automatically recover? I'm testing and all I'm doing is removing a hd, letting it boot iwth only 1 hd, shutting down, putting the hd back in and letting it boot again. almost all of the partitions do not recover. (only 1 realises and recovers)
02:19.37geoffedointel810_audio
02:19.37chealGnea: I didn't really get the joke, but I guess it's no so important
02:19.37geoffedomissed kernel .......
02:19.37LightVisionWyzard:  is that all that dpkg does, as you said; g maintains a database of information about the packages that are currently installed!  it doesnt do anything else?
02:19.46MustangMattke6isf: I think postgres might be part of the "problems" you're experiencing. I think postgres is the better database, but mysql is much looser and probably allows phpbb to slip more "stuff" by without error.
02:19.47LightVisionWyzard:  ok
02:19.49abrotmanand it installs the actual packages
02:20.03chealgeoffedo: missing kernel module?
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02:20.05abrotmanman dpkg .. read some
02:20.20molsen:)
02:20.23LightVisionWyzard:  so when we install something and it says things about dependencies. what is reporting that?  dpkg or the deb files, or apt-get ?
02:20.30WyzardLightVision: It installs packages (by unpacking them and running their preinst and postinst scripts) after checking that their dependencies are satisfied
02:20.43geoffedonop the exact error is this
02:20.46WyzardLightVision: records them in the database once they're installed, and handles uninstalling them later
02:20.58LightVisionWyzard:  ok, so its the job of dpkg to check for depenecies issues!  Got it, thanks
02:21.22WyzardLightVision: apt (both apt-get and aptitude) know about the set of packages that are *available*, regardless of whether they're installed
02:21.46abrotmancat /var/lib/dpkg/available .. though if that's actually in a DB somewhere .. i'm not sure
02:21.47WyzardLightVision: When you install a package with apt-get and it downloads some additional packages as dependencies, that's entirely an apt-get thing
02:21.47LightVisionWyzard: so if a new program is realeased, doesnt the new program deb file contain info about depenecies?
02:22.07ke6isfMustangMatt: That's the thing, I was having those problems in mysql.
02:22.20WyzardLightVision: If you were to try installing a .deb file (using dpkg) and some of its dependencies were unmet, dpkg would say nope, can't do that
02:22.24MustangMattke6isf: odd.
02:22.32WyzardLightVision: apt grabs the dependencies at the same time so that doesn't happen
02:22.45LightVisionWyzard:  so dpkg is constantly updated to know such things abourt depencies?
02:22.54MustangMattke6isf: So you're getting postgres errors while using mysql?
02:22.58WyzardLightVision:  dpkg only knows about packages which are currently installed
02:23.08MustangMattke6isf: Perhaps the config is setup to think it's postgres?
02:23.11WyzardLightVision: Each package contains information about what other packages it depends on, conflicts with, etc.
02:23.20LightVisionWyzard: so how does dpkg then know if a new program has depenecies problems?
02:23.21abrotmanWyzard: or are trying to install
02:23.25LightVisionWyzard:  ok got it
02:23.31WyzardLightVision: There are also central lists of *all* the available packages and their dependencies, and those are what apt uses
02:23.32LightVisionWyzard:  thank you for explaing that
02:23.49WyzardLightVision: When you do "apt-get update", you're downloading the list of available packages and their descriptions and dependencies
02:23.50geoffedomissing kernel  or user module intel810_audio
02:23.51LightVisionWyzard:  where are these "lists" stored?
02:24.10LightVisionWyzard:  does apt-get then update this data for dpkg to know?
02:24.10WyzardLightVision: /var/lib/apt/lists...  again, look but don't touch
02:24.16LightVisionWyzard:  ok :)
02:24.24WyzardLightVision: apt just downloads .deb files and then runs dpkg to install them
02:24.59WyzardLightVision: You could do the same thing yourself by using apt's "--download-only" option to just get the .deb files (they're downloaded into /var/tmp/apt/archives) and running dpkg manually to install them
02:25.00geoffedoi find several same problem but no solution found
02:25.11Manoj_LightVision, /var/lib/dpkg/availaible, /var/lib/dpkg/status
02:25.17LightVisionWyzard:  ok got it
02:25.20geoffedothere is this problem with much acer laptop
02:25.22LightVisionManoj_:  ok
02:25.38Manoj_LightVision, also, /var/lib/apt/, /var/cache/apt may prove helpful
02:25.47WyzardManoj_: hmm, I'd forgotten dpkg does have an available list
02:25.48LightVisionManoj_:  thanks
02:25.58abrotmanhey .. i said that .. a while ago
02:25.59WyzardManoj_: Is that even used by anything besides dselect?
02:26.13Manoj_LightVision, /var/lib/spkg/info/ has detailed information abnout packages currently on the system
02:26.50Manoj_Wyzard, indeed, that is the _only_ list anything ever uses, including apt, aptitude, dpkg, and dselect
02:26.54LightVisionManoj_: ok
02:26.54abrotmandoes the man page for dpkg explain all this ?
02:26.54ke6isfMustangMatt: No, those were the issues I was getting with MySQL.  I've managed to fix the problem I'm having right now (module wasn't loaded), but it's what made me switch to postgres.
02:27.09WyzardManoj_: apt doesn't have its own available file?
02:27.10Manoj_abrotman, probably not.
02:27.20chealgeoffedo: hum, did you try booting with the linux26 parameter?
02:27.31Manoj_abrotman, this is not stuff the end user needs to know about to run dpkg (aka internal details)
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02:27.40geoffedoyes
02:27.48geoffedoi try it with this
02:27.49Eiscremericky_clarkson: Java is running now!  Thank you very, very much!
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02:28.07Manoj_Wyzard, heck no. apt-get is just a low leverl helper library tool, not a package isntaller or even an end user program
02:28.16abrotmanManoj_: at least a good chuck of what LightVision  is asking is explained on a cursory glance
02:28.18LightVisionManoj_:  i understand, thanks.  my original query was what exactly knows what dependencies are needed and conflict etc.
02:28.55WyzardManoj_: I know what apt's role is in relation to dpkg, but I'd thought it kept its own available list, since it's a layer on top of dpkg...  sorry  :-)
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02:29.04chealgeoffedo: and does 2.4 have the same problem?
02:29.04geoffedolinux26 noacpi nolapic noapic nobiospnp and after i try with grub add intel810_audio=no_prob(but this one have no effect)
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02:29.16geoffedoyes have the same probleme
02:29.20LightVisionWyzard:  we are all learnig something new daily :)
02:29.53WyzardLightVision: In short:  dpkg prevents you from installing stuff with broken dependencies, but it's not very friendly about it; apt is a frontend which takes care of things so you don't run into dependency problems with dpkg
02:29.54Manoj_abrotman, well, been a while since i read the man page, then. I didn't think it detailed to layrout of /var/lib/spkg, last time I looked
02:30.05LightVisionManoj_:  just so I fuly understand this now, what exactly knows what dependencies are needed and conflict etc.  Is all this stored in a text file and updated when I do "apt-get update" ?
02:30.07abrotmanManoj_: it mentions status/available
02:30.28abrotmanManoj_: doesn't really matter .. i don't see LightVision reading it anyways .. so it's moot
02:30.29LightVisionWyzard:  so its apt that stores info about what dependecies are needed by what?
02:30.34reoalitManoj_: those dependencies are info stored in a database?
02:30.39Manoj_Wyzard, apt reads the common available and status flat file databases
02:30.43tuvany suggestions where i could find more info about this ext. firewire burner  problem?
02:30.43geoffedothe exact message it' this "missing kernel or user mode driver i810_audio"
02:31.03WyzardLightVision: Well, the information is stored in a file that's technically part of dpkg (as Manoj_ pointed out), but apt is what downloads the contents of that file
02:31.14chealgeoffedo: aha, that makes more sense
02:31.26Manoj_LightVision, the status file has the current state, and the available file has the dependencies of all the rest of the packages. and yes, aptitude update updates the available file
02:31.28WyzardLightVision: It actually downloads (potentially) multiple lists from multiple sources, and builds a single consolidated list
02:31.36Eiscremehow can I find out what partition /home/user is,  and how much free space I have in this partition?
02:31.43jdhutchin1Eiscreme, df -h
02:31.49ricky_clarksonEiscreme: mount
02:32.15SerpentWolfwhat is the purpose of rcS.d ?
02:32.20Eiscremethank you jdhutchin1
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02:32.24Manoj_Wyzard, yeah, now most people use apt-get/aptitude/synaptic, but there used to be fpkg-ftp that did the job
02:32.25Eiscremethank you ricky_clarkson
02:32.31LightVisionManoj_:  i get it now and I appreciate learning that.  thanks :)
02:32.32Manoj_dpkg-ftp, even
02:32.32DebianTUXim having some dependencies problems in sid after upgrading to kde 3.4.2. can some one help me to solve it?
02:32.40LightVisionWyzard:  thank you for your help, i understand now :)
02:32.41ke6isfEiscreme: df
02:32.42chealgeoffedo: that's the last thing you see? any error before that?
02:32.52chealDebianTUX: #debian-kde, if you're lucky
02:32.53geoffedocheal what that's mean for you
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02:33.13Eiscremethank you ke6isf
02:33.28chealgeoffedo: I'm not sure why it happens, but perhaps it's not fatal
02:33.28geoffedoyes there is one error before with PNPBIOS caused fatal error
02:33.39friendshipwhy would apt-get be giving me GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_client_add_dir  messages?
02:33.49TwistedEmotionsI keep trying to install vmware... get a bunch of networking errors ;(... please help... pasted consule install here... http://ovaici.homelinux.com/vmware.txt
02:33.50ricky_clarksonfriendship: Because it's shite.
02:34.02chealgeoffedo: PNPBIOS...I have no clue, but perhaps you should google that one first
02:34.03abrotmanTwistedEmotions: #vmware
02:34.09friendshipricky:  do you have any idea how to fix it?
02:34.18WyzardManoj_: I remember that -- I first started using Debian back in "hamm" days, before apt existed -- but I thought that whole mechanism was obsolete, and didn't realize apt still used part of it (dpkg's available and status files)
02:34.27TwistedEmotionsabrotman: there ;( Those fuckers are useless. 29 people... idle'ing htere.
02:34.31ricky_clarksonfriendship: Does apt-get do that regardless of what you do with it, or is it particularly when operating with a particular package?
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02:34.32Eiscremeother question:  Concerning MP3's ... is there a range of available bitrates?  I know 128, 160, 192, 256 ...   ....  NOW I found a  195 bits/sec  MP3 ... can this MP3 cause problems?  Because of the 195 bitrate ....  I think of 128 MB RAM ,... there are no  135 MB RAM
02:34.39TwistedEmotions*there
02:34.45geoffedoit's for that than i have put nobiospnp and i have flash bios with the last REV but always problem
02:34.53ricky_clarksonfriendship: dpkg-reconfigure dselect (I think)
02:35.19WyzardEiscreme: It's an unconventional bitrate, but AFAIK there's nothing wrong with it
02:35.20abrotmanTwistedEmotions: still the place to ask
02:35.35TwistedEmotionsabrotman: kk ;(
02:35.42friendshipricky: that didn't fix it
02:36.26geoffedook thax and thas
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02:37.09geoffedothat's no serious problem than you dont have a clue but i go to find on google about PNPBIOS setting
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02:38.15reoalitEiscreme: what makes you think that bitrate and MB are related or dependent on each other.
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02:38.32Eiscremereoalit: It was just an idea ...
02:38.39EiscremeRobot101: I never saw 195 before
02:38.44chealgeoffedo: but does the PNPBIOS appear even with nobiospnp?
02:39.05reoalitthe B in MB is Byte, not bit.
02:39.18geoffedobut i announce than on a FEDORA CORE 4 the system pass with no error with this audio chip but with debian not passed
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02:39.50tuvany suggestions where i could find more info about this ext. firewire burner  problem?
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02:40.33geoffedoyes it's that i didnt understand , the error comme always same when i remove and i put
02:40.48WyzardEiscreme: Ever seen a variable-bitrate MP3 file?
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02:40.54WyzardEiscreme: The bitrate changes continuously
02:41.02EiscremeWyzard: really??
02:41.15EiscremeWyzard: so what does it help to see the bitrate in a p2p program?
02:41.22WyzardEiscreme: Yep...  in proportion to the complexity of the sound, ideally
02:41.26chealgeoffedo: when you remove and put what?
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02:41.54geoffedoif i put or i removed the error come always , no change with nobiospnp parameter
02:42.05EiscremeWyzard: what should I do when I want to get an MP3 in the same quality as from a CD ?
02:42.23GuerinEiscreme: don't encode it to mp3
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02:42.38WyzardEiscreme: It depends on who you ask, but I think most people would say that 192 is indistinguishable from a CD
02:42.41GuerinEiscreme: mp3 is lossy; if you want cd quality, use FLAC, which is lossless
02:42.58EiscremeFLAC is no standard, nobody has it
02:43.08Eiscremetry to find FLAC songs in a P2P program
02:43.10chealgeoffedo: ok. it's possible that the nopnpbios parameter helps you on the first boot (the install boot), but not after
02:43.12friendshipI have FLAC
02:43.13WyzardEiscreme: Audiophiles would disagree...  as others just said, if you want to *actually* preserve CD quality, use a lossless codec
02:43.14geoffedocheal: sorry for my bad english ;)
02:43.14GuerinEiscreme: so?
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02:43.24EiscremeGuerin: you are a geek
02:43.28GuerinEiscreme: there's a ton of flac available from archive.iorg, and a lot on bittorrent
02:43.33jdhutchin1Eiscreme, so? it's not on p2p, what does that matter?
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02:43.34EiscremeGuerin: the sharing people are no geeks
02:43.41chealgeoffedo: no problem. however, there may be a kernel parameter equivalent to nopnpbios...that you'll have to find
02:43.45WyzardAnd the nice thing about lossless codecs is that you can losslessly convert from one to another  :-)
02:43.53GuerinEiscreme: so? you're making these files, what do you care?
02:44.01WyzardSo if you have a FLAC file and someone wants an Apple Lossless file, no problem
02:44.02Eiscremeok
02:44.05geoffedoyes
02:44.13Wyzard(assuming you have an Apple Lossless encoder, that is)
02:44.16Guerinanyway, if you encode with lame, I recommend --preset extreme, which is vbr and tends to run about 210kbps
02:44.22Guerinreally good quality
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02:44.40WyzardEiscreme: As far as lossy codecs go, Vorbis gives you better quality per bitrate than MP3
02:44.56jdhutchin1Eiscreme, there's no way you can get more quality out of a file once you have it
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02:45.06MustangMattWyzard: I've heard a lot of people say that but I haven't noticed it myself.
02:45.07WyzardEiscreme: you you can get the same quality with a smaller file, or better quality for the same size
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02:45.12torhamis it possible to modify the control file of a .deb and then repackage it?
02:45.12jdhutchin1if you have a p2p file at 128mbps, no amount of magic will get it up to cd-quality, etc
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02:45.18jdhutchin1torham, yes
02:45.22GuerinMustangMatt: check out the listening tests
02:45.35MustangMattGuerin: I've seen the tests, I just haven't been able to duplicate them. heh.
02:45.40geoffedoyes but that who hard ,is than i dont have access to a console for see the exact problem jute the row with this error missing kernel and before PNPBIOS with who appears 4sec
02:45.42torhamjdhutchin1: please tell
02:45.43GuerinTwistedEmotions: that's an incredibly bad idea
02:45.48GuerinMustangMatt: fair enough.
02:45.57WyzardMustangMatt: I've only noticed a difference once myself -- in a very "noisy" encoding, the sound of heavy rain -- but then, I haven't done formal listening tests
02:46.05geoffedomy kernel is 2.6.2.8
02:46.07TwistedEmotionsGuerin: What's a bad idea?
02:46.11TwistedEmotionsGuerin: huh?
02:46.12jdhutchin1torham, basically, extract the deb, change the plain-text control file, and then re-package it
02:46.14GuerinTwistedEmotions: sorry
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02:46.21Guerintorham: that's an incredibly bad idea
02:46.33torhamjdhutchin1: how is a .deb compressed?
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02:46.46MustangMattWyzard: In my experiences, it seems like vorbis files are larger than mp3 at the same bitrate, but if I crank the mp3 bitrate up to the point that the filesize roughly matches the vorbis size, the mp3 sounds better.
02:46.52Guerintorham: why do you want to do this?
02:46.53torhamGuerin: yeah I know but I am assured its the only problem to get Opera working with gcc4
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02:47.08Guerintorham: wtf?
02:47.13geoffedowith uname -r in during install
02:47.22abrotmanMustangMatt: some people won't use mp3 becuase it's patent/fee encumbered
02:47.23Guerintorham: wth does a browser have to do with a compiler
02:47.24Guerin?
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02:47.47GuerinMustangMatt: your statement is an oxymoron
02:47.47torhamGuerin: it depends on a library compiled in gcc4
02:47.59GuerinMustangMatt: since bitrate determines filesize
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02:48.41MustangMattGuerin: Right, but the bitrate between the two doesn't = the same filesize.
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02:49.19MustangMattIn all fairness, I should try vorbig again, it's been a while since I've used it.
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02:50.12WyzardMustangMatt: File size is directly proportional to bitrate, by definition
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02:50.24decklinMustangMatt: if you're that confused about what bitrate means don't expect anyone to take your subjective opinion of what sounds better seriously. :)
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02:51.02MustangMattdecklin: I understand what bitrate means. I'm just pointing out that vorbis creates larger filesizes compared to mp3 at the same bitrate.
02:51.18MustangMattWhether it's due to better compression or losing more data I'm not sure.
02:51.23WyzardMustangMatt: Then you don't understand what bitrate means
02:51.47WyzardMustangMatt: Two recordings of the same length, encoded at the same bitrate, will have the same size, by definition
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02:52.24MustangMattWyzard: Alright, I'm going to do a test... Popping in a CD. You're telling me if I encode a song at 128 with mp3 it's going to have the same file size as the same song encoded at 128 with vorbis...
02:52.50SerpentWolfMustangMatt no they will differ
02:52.59MustangMattUsing Dave Mathew's Band Crash CD. Song 1: So Much to Say
02:53.01WyzardMustangMatt: There may be tiny differences due to MP3 and Vorbis headers, but unless you're encoding a file that's two seconds long, those should be only a tiny fraction of the file size anyway
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02:53.02tuvi'm using an external firewire dvd-writer. Once I unplug the firewire cable from the machine, I've to reboot to get the writer seen again. Until I reboot, it is as if the writer is not connected
02:53.03ricky_clarksonWyzard: Is bitrate the number of bits of data per second of music?
02:53.06MustangMattSerpentWolf: That's what I'm trying to tell them.
02:53.11Wyzardricky_clarkson: yes
02:53.13abrotmanMustangMatt: there's your first problme
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02:53.24bob2MustangMatt: you don't tell the vorbis encoder to use a bitrate
02:53.25bob2tonsofpcs: none
02:53.30ricky_clarksonWyzard: How about any header info?  Surely that will affect filesize but not bitrate.
02:53.33bob2MustangMatt: you tell it to use a particular quality
02:53.33abrotmantonsofpcs: none .. use ELKS .. if it still works
02:53.43SerpentWolfthe bitrate isnt the only "size" deciding factor in encoding :P
02:53.56Wyzardricky_clarkson: I just said that a moment ago...  sure, you might have a difference of a few bytes, but that's negligible
02:55.43Wyzardeep
02:55.43ricky_clarksonWyzard: Oh.
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02:55.45MustangMattbob2: That's fine but it still estimates quality. Maybe that's where I confused people... 128 mp3 vs ~128 vorbis is what I'm talking about.
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02:55.45decklinMustangMatt: ok, if you're that unclear on the difference between the O(1) data in a header and the O(n) data in the content...
02:55.46MustangMattI'm going to use a quality of 5.00 (~160 kbps)
02:55.46WyzardMustangMatt: Ah, that's a different story...  it's entirely plausible that you told the Vorbis encoder to try for an average bitrate of 128, but it ended up actually producing something with a higher average bitrate
02:55.46bob2MustangMatt: then they will be identical sizes
02:55.46bob2MustangMatt: except CBR mp3 is shit, and vorbis CBR is pointless
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02:55.55decklinMustangMatt: or the difference between the quality settings you use and the actual ABR of the output.
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02:56.47SerpentWolfMustangMatt goodluck... :P im off...
02:57.13thecoolestcowhey, i need help mounting my non-linux drives on my machine, i have 3 other partitions that i need mounted
02:57.13thecoolestcow....did my client freeze?
02:57.14MustangMattUltimately what I'm trying to say is that if I encode a song with each codec to the point that the file sizes are similar. MP3 sounds better to me.
02:57.26thecoolestcowhey, i need help mounting my non-linux drives on my machine, i have 3 other partitions that i need mounted
02:57.34thecoolestcowahh
02:57.38thecoolestcowyoo
02:57.40thecoolestcowanyone able to help me mount my windows partitions?
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02:57.53WyzardMustangMatt: That part is a valid claim to make, though I don't agree with it myself
02:57.57chealthecoolestcow: not without you telling which filesystem they use
02:57.57LightVisionthecoolestcow:  interesting nick you have
02:58.18ricky_clarksonthecoolestcow: man mount; man fstab; google 'smart questions esr'.
02:58.19geoffedoCheal:Very thanx for all but i go to spleep because it's late and my brain are dead i become tomorrow for try to resolv my problem, i you are there sure
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02:58.21RoundQubehello all
02:58.23ke6isf!moo
02:58.23dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stimpy Nummies
02:58.32LightVisionke6isf:  lol
02:58.33tuvthecoolestcow: mount /dev/<win-partition> <mount-point-directory>
02:58.39RoundQubewhats a good hyperterminal type emulation program for linux?
02:58.43chealgeoffedo: hehe, don't count on that, but good night
02:59.15abrotmankermit
02:59.20ricky_clarksonribbit
02:59.22MustangMattWell I'm wrong again... mp3 = 4.71 mb and ogg = 4.65 in this instance.
02:59.24geoffedogood night
02:59.27thecoolestcowlightvision: i think ntfs
02:59.29MustangMattNow I will listen.
02:59.32decklinwhat Wyzard said. i think you will have a hard time finding someone else who agrees.
02:59.40LightVisionthecoolestcow: dont think, know
02:59.41ricky_clarksonMustangMatt: Bitrate is bits/second.
02:59.43dondelelcarodpkg: moo =~ s#apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stmpy Nummies#type apt-get moo.#
02:59.43dpkgdondelelcaro: that doesn't contain 'apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939, or cowsay -f stmpy Nummies'
02:59.57thecoolestcowlightvision: i know 2/3 are ntfs and one is a logical partition
03:00.20WyzardMustangMatt: I'm not sure that you can do a meaningful listening test in this case
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03:00.33thecoolestcowlightvision: dono which is which, but i'm willing to go through trial and error
03:00.34ricky_clarksonMustangMatt: Saying that OGG will be somehow different size for the same bitrate is like saying that if you have a Ferrari and a Skoda both going 100mph, the Ferrari is going faster.
03:00.35WyzardMustangMatt: You'd need to have two files which are (aside from negligible differences) the same size
03:00.38MustangMattWyzard: Sure I can. I'll listen to both songs and see which sounds better.
03:00.43Wyzardricky_clarkson: lol
03:00.53LightVisionthecoolestcow:  try this: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt
03:01.16MustangMattricky_clarkson: We already clarified that part. I said bitrate but what I really meant was file size.
03:01.28WyzardMustangMatt: But they're not the same size, so you aren't comparing the two codecs at the same bitrate
03:01.39dondelelcaro!ro-ntfs
03:01.39dpkgadd a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want.
03:01.44dondelelcarothecoolestcow: ^^
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03:02.06thecoolestcowlightvision: ah, crap, it mounted but i dont have permission to view it
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03:02.12MustangMattWyzard: True, but just for kicks I want to see what sounds better in this instance when they were encoded under "similar" settings. If vorbis sounds better, it's won hands down as it's smaller.
03:02.25dondelelcarothecoolestcow: that's what the uid,gid,fmask and dmask options are for
03:02.32dondelelcarothecoolestcow: man mount for details
03:02.38WyzardMustangMatt: That'd work...  but if the MP3 sounds better, your test is inconclusive and you have to re-encode and get the file sizes closer
03:02.40decklinhave i gone insane, or do we actually think .06mb is significant here?
03:02.40LightVisionthecoolestcow: try this: mount -o rw /dev/hdb1 /mnt
03:02.43MustangMattWyzard: True.
03:02.51ricky_clarksonSomewhat topical:
03:02.53ricky_clarkson!qotd82
03:02.53dpkg<florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable?   <greycat> sound?  *faster*?   <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks?
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03:03.01thecoolestcowdondelelcaro: before i do that, how do i now unmount it, i just realized i dont want it in the /mnt/
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03:03.09dondelelcarothecoolestcow: umount /path/to/mount
03:03.22Lamiahello -I have a C# app,    I include Acrobat- what's a good folder name to use -
03:03.30Lamiais there a 'standard' name for 'extras'
03:03.32dondelelcaroLamia: try asking #c#
03:03.32reoalitbit, bitrate, encoding, transmission, filesize. i use a 128-bit encoding scheme. i can transmit it at any bitrate, say 128kbit/sec. In 10sec, i'll would have transmitted 1.28Mbit. IF the other side receive it as a file, the filesize would be 1.28Mbit or 0.18Mbyte file.
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03:03.34WyzardMustangMatt: I'd also say your results may be skewed by the fact that you know which one is which  :-)
03:03.39Lamiathanks dondel
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03:03.47dondelelcaroLamia: since we have nothing whatsoever to do with C# here.
03:03.48Lamiadon't work
03:03.49ricky_clarksondondelelcaro: Someone said it's #csharp..
03:03.52LightVisionthecoolestcow:  try this: umount /dev/hdb1
03:03.53dondelelcaro#csharp
03:03.54MustangMattWyzard: Possibly.
03:03.55Lamiawell - forget the c# part
03:04.00Lamiajust imagine you get a package
03:04.02Lamiaon debian
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03:04.08thecoolestcowlightvision: i put mount -o rw /dev/hdb1 /mnt
03:04.10Lamiaand it had some extra dependencies
03:04.13thecoolestcowlightvision: whatd that do...?
03:04.14MustangMattWyzard: I'm not trying to be biased. I have no objections or ill-will towards vorbis.
03:04.18Lamiawhat is a common folder name -= like bin, src etc
03:04.22Lamiafor extraas ?
03:04.23dondelelcaroLamia: first off, stop using enter as punctuation; and ask your question question.
03:04.27ricky_clarksonLamia: Other than those in Dependencies?
03:04.33WyzardLamia: "extras" ?
03:04.34LightVisionthecoolestcow:  it mounted with read and write permissions
03:04.43thecoolestcowstill no privledges
03:04.43Lamiaok, I was thinking extras too
03:04.47dondelelcaroLamia: /usr/share/foopackagename if it's architecture independent, which it should be.
03:04.52dondelelcaro(otherwise it goes in /usr/lib)
03:04.55LamiaI just thought there might be a formality to packages - ok
03:04.56jjazzI can see sshd in ps and lsof, but ssh localhost doesn't produce a response.  It just sits until I do cntrl-c.  Does anybody know where I should start looking to fix this?
03:04.59Lamiathanks dondel
03:05.02LightVisionthecoolestcow:  try this: umount /dev/hdb1  and then try man mount :)
03:05.07dondelelcaroLamia: there is, it's called the FHS.
03:05.11MustangMattI can honestly say the vorbis file sounds better.
03:05.18ricky_clarksondondelelcaro: Why is share for arch-independent?
03:05.23MustangMattIt's immediately noticeable.
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03:05.25Lamiafhs ?   where does that derive from dondel ?
03:05.27Lamiajust curious
03:05.28WyzardLamia: It's not clear what it is that you're trying to *do*, which is why you're not getting a good answer
03:05.32dondelelcaro!tell Lamia about fhs
03:05.33ricky_clarksondondelelcaro: In case you have a share that is shared across multiple arches?
03:05.38dondelelcaroricky_clarkson: yeah
03:05.44ricky_clarksondondelelcaro: Muy interesante.
03:05.46LamiaWyzard- I hear you. I'm making a package -an installer - for an app
03:05.55dondelelcaroricky_clarkson: that's the basic idea anyway... in practice it often doesn't quite work that way
03:05.55WyzardLamia: A Debian package?
03:05.57Lamiajust wanted to stay in line with standards for folder naming
03:06.00Lamiayes
03:06.06Lamiawell - it can be for any distro really
03:06.07WyzardLamia: OK, then you should follow the FHS
03:06.10ricky_clarksonLamia: /msg dpkg newmaint
03:06.10LightVisionthecoolestcow:  work?
03:06.13vircuserdoes anyone know how to make a samba config such that no password is required to see and browse shares?
03:06.19Lamiathanks ricky
03:06.24dondelelcarovircuser: just allow guests to view the shares
03:06.26ricky_clarksonvircuser: Try swat.
03:06.37dondelelcarovircuser: there's an example of that in the default debian samba configuration
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03:06.49WyzardLamia: But I don't think it's appropriate to bundle a copy of Acrobat Reader into another program's package, which is what it sounds like you're doing
03:07.06compguymacwhat is the apt-get command to search for a package if i dont knwo the full name? apt-cache search something...
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03:07.14THeTaNkyeah there is, but no matter what I do it still prompts me to enter a name and a password and no matter what I do it doesn't allow me to see anything even if the password and user are correct
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03:07.16ricky_clarksoncompguymac: apt-cache search
03:07.16dondelelcaro!tell compguymac -about search
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03:07.30WyzardLamia: Especially since Acrobat Reader is non-free
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03:07.33jjazzcompguymac, apt-cache search foo
03:07.35THeTaNkand yes I have seen and used that config to no avail
03:07.39compguymacthought so
03:07.40compguymaclol
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03:07.46WyzardLamia: If your package includes PDF documentation, it should "Recommends: pdf-viewer"
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03:08.01dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: so give us the snipit of the smb.conf that you are using; use the paster bot to do so.
03:08.11MustangMattInteresting there's a plugin for vorbis that registers with Quicktime so you can play vorbis under itunes.
03:08.13LightVisionthecoolestcow:  mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt"  works fine for me with full access and read and write privledges
03:08.29LightVisionthecoolestcow:  did you type it the same?
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03:08.36THeTaNkdondelecaro: thx for the help btw, what is the paster bot?
03:08.38ricky_clarksonMustangMatt: Interesting how I've never seen a portable music player that supports Vorbis.
03:08.43dondelelcaro!tell THeTaNk -about paster
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03:09.02dondelelcaroricky_clarkson: there are a couple, iirc...
03:09.09biohazrdIt was a pleasant suprise to find that acrobat reader 7.0 has a working plugin for mozilla/nav
03:09.16ricky_clarksonIs NTFS writing in Linux actually safe now?
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03:09.30Kerr!windows
03:09.30dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, windows is PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows they don't work.
03:09.30dondelelcarough... lets not talk about acrobat garbage
03:09.47biohazrdnow if macromedia would be so kind to compile a 64 bit plugin for flash
03:10.20ricky_clarkson!windows s/^/<reply>/
03:10.21dpkgThis is #Debian, s/^/<reply>/, not #bungholes!
03:10.30MustangMattWho wants to help me port the linux kernel to C#?
03:10.32MustangMatthahaha
03:10.32ricky_clarkson!windows =~ s/^/<reply>/
03:10.33dpkgthat doesn't contain '^', ricky_clarkson
03:10.40ricky_clarksondpkg: you arse
03:10.42biohazrdricky_clarkson: last I heard, only writting to an existing file, if you don't change the file size
03:10.52THeTaNkdondelecaro: done pasting
03:10.53thecoolestcowaaaah why the heck can't i edit fstab!?
03:10.58jjazzI can see sshd in ps and lsof, but ssh localhost doesn't produce a response.  It just sits until I do cntrl-c.  Does anybody know where I should start looking to fix this?
03:11.03thecoolestcowthese permissions are driving me nuts
03:11.04ricky_clarksonthecoolestcow: cos you're not root!
03:11.14thecoolestcoweven in root terminal i cant
03:11.22jjazzthecoolestcow, man sudo
03:11.27ricky_clarksonthecoolestcow: whoami
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03:11.58dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: and the url?
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03:12.17LightVisionthecoolestcow:  the command work I gacve you?
03:12.25dondelelcarojjazz: do you see it in netstat -plunt?
03:12.32THeTaNkdondelecaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/698
03:12.50THeTaNkdondelecaro: im an irc noob
03:12.51chealWyzard: really? does your browser render SVG?
03:12.59LightVisionthecoolestcow:  log in as su
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03:13.09LightVisionthecoolestcow:  then type kwrite
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03:13.15Wyzardcheal: dunno, I haven't tried it
03:13.19jjazzdondelelcaro, Yes, it's there.
03:13.20LightVisionthecoolestcow:  you there?
03:13.56dondelelcarojjazz: and what is it bound to?
03:14.13dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: ok, so that part looks ok; does the pcguest user exist? can the read the share?
03:14.23Wyzardcheal: I got rid of Flash because of (the first part of) this:  http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=160477&cid=13433493
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03:14.41jjazzdondelelcaro, I can't tell from the netstat readout.  What am I looking for here?
03:14.50Wyzardcheal: and because I'm tired of animation-heavy Flash ads using up all my CPU
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03:15.23ricky_clarksonyotta_laptop:
03:15.25dondelelcarojjazz: just paste the line with sshd in it
03:15.29ricky_clarksonWyzard: Interesting.
03:15.30jjazzThe line for it is 'tcp6   0   0  :::22    :::*   LISTEN 13602/sshd"
03:15.33dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: have you checked the samba log yet? /var/log/samba/log.smbd ?
03:15.37chealWyzard: heh...
03:15.38ricky_clarksonyotta_laptop: Sorry, misfired.
03:15.40dondelelcarojjazz: uh. there should be a tcp line too
03:16.00jjazzdondelelcaro, Nope.  Just tcp6.  The other lines are for inetd and dhclient.
03:16.04chealWyzard: pretty good reason. go firefox 1.5, I guess
03:16.24THeTaNkdondelecaro: the user is added and is the owner of the shared directory,    yeah the log file is empty but when i try to access the share via windows it just prompts for password and fails regardless of input
03:16.25dondelelcarojjazz: ok; does ping localhost; work? does ssh -vv 127.0.0.1; do something?
03:16.49dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: can you mount the share using smbmount?
03:17.04jjazzdondelelcaro,  ping localhost does not work.  It gets 100% packet loss.
03:17.10THeTaNkdondelecaro: good idea, trying now
03:17.19jjazzdondelelcaro, ssh -vv gets to Connecting to localhost and then just sits.
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03:17.26dondelelcarojjazz: ifconfig; look for localhost; you may not have your loopback interface up.
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03:18.00jjazzdondelelcaro, bingo.  It's not there.
03:18.22jjazzdondelelcaro, I must have cut it from /etc/network/interfaces or something.
03:18.33dondelelcarojjazz: right, add it back, then ifup -a; (or ifup lo)
03:18.41dondelelcarojjazz: there's an example in man 5 interfaces;
03:19.53jjazzdondelelcaro, hmm... it was already there.  ifup lo did the trick, but I'm not really sure why it was down.  Oh well.
03:20.04dondelelcarojjazz: do you have an auto lo; line?
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03:20.15jjazzdondelelcaro, yep
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03:20.21dondelelcarojjazz: ok...
03:20.33dondelelcarojjazz: well, assuming ifupdown actually ran, it should have been up
03:22.06THeTaNkdondelecaro: same as windows, prompts for a password even if one is specified in the smb mount line and fails
03:22.11jjazzdondelelcaro, yeah.  I think what happened was /etc/network/interfaces was different at bootup.  I *think* I replaced it from backup after I booted.  And then I brought up eth0 but didn't bring up lo.  It's been a while since I did booted this box, and I think I did restore some of those settings.  Thanks for the help.
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03:22.31dondelelcarojjazz: np
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03:22.59dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: hrm... strange; you've restarted smbd, right?
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03:23.23THeTaNkdondelecaro: many times hahaha
03:23.23Wyzardcheal: Also from that license:  "You agree that Macromedia may audit your use of the Software ... In the event that such audit reveals any use of the Software by you other than in full compliance with the terms of this Agreement, you shall reimburse Macromedia for all reasonable expenses related to such audit."
03:23.47THeTaNkdondelecaro: would it help to know that the paster bot snipit is the whole smb.conf file?
03:23.55THeTaNkdondelecaro: is that enough?
03:23.58dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: oh, it shouldn't be.
03:24.10dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: you're editing /etc/samba/smb.conf, right?
03:24.21THeTaNkdondelecaro: yes
03:24.34dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: and this is a Debian install? what happened to the rest of the smb.conf?
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03:26.15THeTaNkdondelecaro: yes it is a debian install and the rest of default debian config produced exactly the same results
03:26.25compguymacgod i f'in hate windows
03:26.56tonsofpcscompguymac - just go back to the 80286 - http://tonsofpcs.com/portable3/
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03:27.23compguymacwhat are you talkin about?
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03:27.38THeTaNkdondelecaro: should samba be run through inetd?
03:27.40chealWyzard: hah
03:27.43tonsofpcsyou hate windows, that was from a time before windows
03:27.48dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: ideally not
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03:28.04SmerdyakovWhat's the easiest way to check (in a script) if a given package name is installed?
03:28.22THeTaNkdondelecaro: thats what I thought, perhaps running the smbd and nmbd with debug level 10 would be helpful?
03:28.38chealWyzard: and I always tought Macromedia understood the Unix philosophy
03:29.02bob2Smerdyakov: dpkg -l blah
03:29.05tonsofpcscheal - you don't read /., do you?
03:29.15dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: it would be a start
03:29.16LightVisioncan someone go here and tell me how can I get Debian to load the Trailers? http://www.whatthebleep.com/trailer/
03:29.16compguymacyouve lost me
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03:29.54chealtonsofpcs: hehe. </sarcasm></sarcasm></sarcasm>
03:29.55THeTaNkdondelecaro: once again thanks for your help, ill see what I can do from here :)
03:29.59overflowHi, Im using Sarge. I can't install libc6-dev
03:30.14overflowthere are a version error
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03:31.06dondelelcaroTHeTaNk: np; good luck.
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03:31.29LightVisionhttp://www.whatthebleep.com/trailer/ <-- this website wont load trailers, says it needs mplayer!  How can I get this to work please?
03:31.31dondelelcarooverflow: use the paster bot to paste the full output of the apt-get command you're using and apt-cache policy;
03:31.44compguymacapt-get install mplayer :)
03:31.59compguymacor: apt-cache search mplayer
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03:32.47sad_but_truehi! how are you doing?
03:33.06LightVisionI already have mplayer installed, but how can I get Firefox to use to play trailers?
03:33.15overflowdondelelcaro, how can I use the pastebot?
03:33.21compguymaco, its in your properties
03:33.22dondelelcaro!tell overflow -about paster
03:33.31compguymacwhat default player you want to use for video playback
03:33.32dondelelcarooverflow: then just tell us the url to it
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03:33.45compguymacfirefox properties
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03:34.11LightVisioncomfrey:  mplayer
03:34.18LightVisioncompguymac:   mplayer
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03:34.24mhallDoes anybody know of a way of representing a DFA or other computing theory machines using ASCII art? I've got to implement one in some code and I want a mental model for my comment block.
03:34.29compguymacwhat LightVision ?
03:34.48Mugsy_When I try to setup a SMB printer it says: Unsupported backend: SMB
03:34.50sad_but_truei'm new on linux, just about six months using it... i'm feeling really free using it... specially bug free... jejeje... well... i have a question about mozilla-thunderbird... is this the room where i should ask about it??? (I am using Debian Sarge)
03:34.58dondelelcaroCharging at 13.7%: 5098 hours, 11 minutes, and 24 seconds remaining. [101.9%] hrm... that's a new one
03:35.01overflowdondelelcaro,   http://channels.debian.net/paste/699
03:35.01Mugsy_What does that mean?
03:35.01mhallI might be able to rewrite it as a vicious regular expression but I want to try it as normal code first.
03:35.06LightVisioncompguymac:   how can I get mplayer to play trailers using firefox?
03:35.08mhalldondelelcaro: ACPI glitch?
03:35.13chealMugsy_: do you have smbclient installed?
03:35.16Mugsy_Yea
03:35.29dondelelcaromhall: pmu glitch, but yeah.
03:35.35Wyzardsad_but_true: Unless it's a really in-depth question that only someone with detailed knowledge of Thunderbird could answer, here is fine
03:35.51UnKnowN_can someone test http://209.180.236.236:8000/listen.pls
03:36.05karma1Quick question: Each time I logout of X, my wallpaper gets reset to default solid backgroubd, how do I set the default wallpaper to something else?
03:36.06mhalldondelelcaro: PMU? What architecture?
03:36.09dondelelcaromhall: ppc
03:36.13mhalldondelelcaro: Ah.
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03:36.41Wyzardkarma1: Put a program such as xsetbg in your xinitrc script
03:36.49mhalldondelelcaro: In a way good in that PPC hardware is usually less flaky, but in a way bad because you can't decompile the DSDT and fix the bug real quick.
03:36.57overflowdondelelcaro, any idea?
03:37.02dondelelcarooverflow: right, so when did you try to upgrade this machine to testing?
03:37.24Wyzardkarma1: Desktop environments (GNOME, KDE, XFCE) also set wallpaper for you
03:37.26mhalldondelelcaro: Can you revert the driver files for PMU to a previous kernel revision?
03:37.28LightVisionwhats the command to get Realplayer plugins for Firefox please?
03:37.44overflowdondelelcaro, nope
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03:38.05overflowdondelelcaro, I never did that AFAIK
03:38.05compguymacLightVision, your jumping all over with your questions
03:38.11dondelelcaromhall: nah, it's just a transient bug... the max_charge hasn't been updated yet, so it thinks that it should still be charging.
03:38.20karma1Wyzard: yeah, I've been changing the wallpaper thru the GNOME Control center, but it doesnt seem to save it when I logout
03:38.25LightVisioncompguymac:  sorry
03:38.33dondelelcarooverflow: well, you've got libc6 2.3.5-6 which is only in testing and unstable. dpkg -l libc6 for me, and give me the ii line.
03:38.33Wyzardkarma1: That's odd...  it should
03:38.35overflowdondelelcaro, Im downgrading the libc6 version
03:38.36mhalldondelelcaro: Can it injure the battery?
03:38.37dondelelcaro!+info libc6 sarge
03:38.40dpkglibc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB
03:38.41dondelelcaromhall: nah
03:39.05overflowdondelelcaro, ii  libc6                              2.3.5-6                            GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data
03:39.13mhalldondelelcaro: That's one bad thing about ACPI. A bad DSDT can melt the cooling system of a laptop. And good luck getting the vendor to cooperate!
03:39.20dondelelcarooverflow: right, so you've installed libc6 from testing or later.
03:39.31overflowdondelelcaro, weird
03:39.50dondelelcarooverflow: so you'll have to either downgrade it manually, or stabilize on testing.
03:40.47compguymacone at a time and ill help ya
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03:41.29LightVisioncompguymac: ok, im using Sarge. whats the command to get Realplayer plugins for Firefox please?
03:41.42millerhi
03:41.50LightVisioncompguymac:  http://www.whatthebleep.com/trailer/ <-- I want to play these trailers from firefox
03:42.03milleranybody here?
03:42.22overflowdondelelcaro, Oh oh ,, I downgraded the libc6, but now it wants to remove a lot of packages ...
03:42.41dondelelcarooverflow: right, you'll have to downgrade those all too.
03:42.45compguymacdidnt you say u wanted mpalyer to play them?
03:42.50compguymacmplayer*
03:42.56overflow:S .. well ,
03:42.58overflowbbl
03:43.00LightVisioncompguymac:  I changed my mind
03:43.00overflowthanks
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03:43.03millercan anybody help me to listen mp3 in ubuntu???
03:43.16dondelelcaromiller: #ubuntu can
03:43.19sad_but_trueok, here is the issue... I used to use thunderbird in my windowz times... now that I am on linux I am still using it... it works pretty fine... but something very disturbing came out yesterday... I export some email folders from thunderbird to kmal... as thunderbird files are mbox ones i worked just fine... but the surprise came when i found out that there were messages that i have deleted several months ago, even years. I start searching
03:43.19sad_but_trueiles representing each folder of thunderbird there were a lot of old emails. For example... inbox... i always have two or three emails in it... but the file representing inbox wights 22MB and contains fundred(actually 958) old emails that i have erased from thunderbird but they were kept in the file... it is very disturbing because this flaw makes the emails files grow with out limit and it is a pretty dangerous privacy hole... since i tho
03:43.22sad_but_truewere still on the disk... any clue why this is happening?
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03:43.25milleri download xmms but it doesn work
03:43.34Guerin!kill sad_but_true for not being concise
03:43.35Xenguysad_but_true: do not do that
03:43.47Guerin!tell miller about doesn't work
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03:43.53compguymacare u using debian?
03:43.58happy_broccolii have the iso file on disk, and the burnt cd. how could i confirm that that the cd has been burnt correctly (eg md5 possible? )
03:44.03asupakillWhat is the command to reconfigure Xserver?
03:44.06LightVisioncompguymac:  using Sarge
03:44.12Wyzardsad_but_true: I don't use Thunderbird, but as a guess, you "deleted" the files in the "move to trash" sense but not the "empty trash" sense?
03:44.16sad_but_trueXenguy how do i ask this long question?
03:44.21dondelelcaromiller: again, please ask that question in #ubuntu
03:44.36asupakill!drxx asupakill
03:44.36dpkgasupakill: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]   (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
03:44.41LightVisionasupakill: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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03:44.57Wyzardmiller: I can tell you haven't looked at the Ubuntu FAQ, because the answer is there
03:45.03Xenguysad_but_true: flooding is discouraged here, hence my comment
03:45.10Wyzardmiller: Nor have you asked in #ubuntu, since they would've immediately pointed you to said FAQ
03:45.21meffis there a metapkg or anything for all of Xorg's font packs? I want to be able to see characters in diff languages in X, but they show up as little 4 square boxes at the moment
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03:45.23compguymacdo u already have the realplayer or no?
03:45.25Guerinhappy_broccoli: md5sum /dev/cdrom; comparewith md5sum of the image from the dir you downloaded it
03:45.27dondelelcarosad_but_true: your best bet is to talk to the firebird people, since we don't have anything to do with Thunderbird on windows.
03:45.31millerwizard i look for it but y didn see
03:45.43Guerincompguymac: who on earth are you talking to?
03:45.49sad_but_trueWyzard: i completly delete the emails from thunderbird, they dont appear there any more... the flaw seems to be that thunderbird didnt delete the data from de corresponding file on disk...
03:45.50LightVisioncompguymac:  yes already installed
03:45.57Guerincompguymac: or are you just polling the channel randomly
03:45.58Guerin?
03:46.07compguymacLightVision,
03:46.08Wyzardmiller: Then look again...  and if it's really not there, ask why in #ubuntu
03:46.15compguymacok, open firefox
03:46.18Guerincompguymac: so prefix your lines with LightVision:
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03:46.28compguymacdont worry, he knows im talkign to him
03:46.33millerok sorry people
03:46.41Guerincompguymac: the other 700-odd people in the channel don't
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03:47.00compguymacthey jsut idle anyways, but i guess i will from now on Guerin
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03:47.28Wyzardcompguymac: Many IRC clients provide tab-completion for nicks at the start of a line, for exactly that reason
03:47.45Wyzardcompguymac: To talk to you, I start by typing "comp<tab>"
03:47.56compguymaci know
03:48.07LightVisionTwo things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity...and I'm not sure about the universe - Albert Einstein
03:48.09compguymaci have that
03:48.18LightVisionAlbert was talking about me ;)
03:48.28compguymacLightVision, open firefox
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03:48.37LightVisioncompguymac:  its open
03:48.37Xenguycompguymac: using it helps people you are talking to who are on 15 other channels simultaneously :-)
03:48.48shingouzLightVision: as long as you do not turn into pure energy and blow up the channel ;)
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03:48.52compguymac1 sec, let install it so i can go step by step with you
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03:49.27LightVisionshingouz:  hehe ;)
03:49.39LightVisionshingouz: Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion.- Democritus of Abdera
03:50.01atrussad_but_true: i know my email client has a "hide deleted messages" option, so that it looked like messages were deleted, but they were actually kept until an "empty trash" or "expunge" action was taken. possibly something similar?
03:50.21compguymac1 sec LightVision
03:50.23meffanyone? which font pkgs do i need to install to view japanese/etc characters in x?
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03:50.42LightVisioncompguymac:  sure
03:50.45shingouzmeff: search for xfonts
03:50.50compguymacapt-cache search japanese
03:50.55compguymacno idea, lol, just a guess
03:51.33xerophyteis it possible to run 2 stunnel on one box .. I mean when i try i get error saying Unable to open "/dev/cryptonet" ??
03:51.47wotulacompguymac: have you try that search? anything?
03:52.12meffis there any specific metapkg or do i just need to apt-get install xfonts* to be able to view most chars? :/
03:52.28LightVisioncompguymac:  stay focused :)
03:52.45LightVisioncompguymac:  men cant multitask, only women can
03:52.46wotulaxerophyte: what's a stunnel?
03:53.04shingouzmeff: search for xfonts and pick the ones you want. otherwise you will have a shitload of fonts you do not need
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03:53.36GuerinLightVision: pure bullshit
03:53.54xerophytewotula, http://www.stunnel.org/
03:54.05StRHi all!
03:54.07Area-51i tried apt-get dist-upgrade and it wants to install xfree86 but fails and im using xorg... how do i stop apt from forcably installing xfree86?
03:54.18StRanyone here using pure-ftpd-mysql?
03:54.19GuerinArea-51: /msg dpkg hold
03:54.19meffshingouz: ok but not sure which to pick, they show up as 4 squared boxes at the moment, heh..
03:54.24sad_but_trueatrus: maybe i am not clear... lets take for example the case of inbox... all the emails in that folder are kept in /home/user/.mozilla-thunderbird/xxx.user/Mail/Local Folders/Inbox well... SOME, not all but many of them, of the emails that i erase/"move to another folder" from the inbox folder, though they disappear from inbox in thunderbird... are kept in the inbox file i mention earlier... i seems as thunderbird screw things up when try
03:54.24sad_but_truer erase from inbox file... am i clear?
03:54.26Guerin!anyone use
03:54.26dpkgNo, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
03:54.28wotulaxerophyte:thks, got it fr dpkg.
03:54.30Area-51Guerin: ty
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03:54.55StRlol...
03:55.05THeTaNkwhat package does debian use for smbmount?
03:55.11THeTaNkerr what package contains smbmount
03:55.19LordNazgulquick stupid question.  i have an older woody box.  to bring it up to sarge i just apt-get upgrade right?
03:55.24meffTHeTaNk: packages.debian.org do a search
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03:55.30THeTaNkthanks!
03:55.37compguymacLightVision, ok,open that site
03:55.47Gnea!tell LordNazgul about woody->sarge
03:55.50meffTHeTaNk: keep that url handy :)
03:55.54compguymacand can you right click the video and let it choose a program to use to open it?
03:55.58LightVisioncompguymac:  im there for the last 30mins ;)
03:56.06LordNazgulgnea: thanx
03:56.09Gneanp
03:56.12compguymachuh?
03:56.44THeTaNkmeff: its a button on firefox now
03:56.45LightVisioncompguymac:  next?
03:56.59Gneaw00t! got my workstation back up
03:57.00meffTHeTaNk: lol cool..
03:57.04Gneanow to put it back together :)
03:57.07compguymacare you able to right click the video file?
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03:58.15compguymaco, i see now
03:58.25compguymacyou should use mplayer plugin
03:58.29compguymacnot real player
03:58.30wotulaGuerin: People come in here with uncertainty on their mind. They arrive at certainty by eliminating the unlikely. I don't see anything wrong with "Anyone". It makes sense. You have to know this first before you touch on the area of the problem.
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03:58.41compguymacwhy cant you use mplayer LightVision ?
03:58.46Area-51ugh, even with holding package, apt still wants to install/update x11-common
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03:59.06Mugsy_What package do I need to run java programs/
03:59.20wotulaGuerin: you are not the only one here. It is becoming a bad practice.
03:59.20LightVisioncompguymac:  ok show me using mplayer
03:59.22Area-51Mugsy_: kaffe, iirc
03:59.27shingouzwotula: "anyone" reminds me of my history lessons in high school, i think "anyone" is annoying
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03:59.35LightVisioncompguymac:  I have mplayer installed and im at that website! whats next?
03:59.36lakcajI think the mediaplayerconnectivity extension at http://membres.lycos.fr/sethnakht/ is better than any plugin.
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03:59.56wotulashingouz: as i said, it is the process of elimination.
04:00.07wotulato arrive at certainty.
04:00.09GullyFoylewhats a good source for info on sound issues? realplay says its playing but no sound comes out. unreal 2004 plays but the sound lags behind the action.
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04:00.38LightVisioncompguymac:  but it says plugin not found!  whats the fix?
04:00.50concept10lakcaj: that extension is good... but I hate that it asks me to clink the link again, I just want it to launch the damn media player
04:00.51Area-51ugh, even with holding package, apt still wants to install/update x11-common (even after putting it and its dependancies on hold)
04:00.52wotulashingouz: the response to 'anyone' is more annoying than "anyone' itself.
04:00.54Area-51erm
04:00.56Area-51my bad
04:01.09compguymacLightVision, go here: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html and get the plugin, put it in /usr/local/bin/mplayer
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04:01.34compguymacLightVision, If installing plugins without root permissions, use ~/.mozilla/plugins instead of Mozilla's plugins and components subdirectories. You may have to create this directory first. Mozilla Firefox also uses ~/.mozilla/plugins for this.
04:01.35compguymacSome plugins may require your version of Mozilla to be compiled with a specific version of gcc. You can use about:buildconfig to check which version of gcc was used to compile your browser.
04:01.36shingouzwotula: do yourself a favor then and do not use the anyone-formula when asking questions. use it and risk getting the response
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04:01.56LightVisioncompguymac:  ok thanks
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04:02.21Henrique_BRae dentro
04:02.47shingouz!br
04:02.47dpkgPor favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
04:02.58lispy_i created a copy of netinst for etch, popped it in the drive, and i get the message, "Could not find kernel image: linux"
04:03.23Mugsy_How do i make Firefox my default browser
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04:03.38lakcajLightVision, I just played those previews using xine and this firefox extension: http://membres.lycos.fr/sethnakht/
04:04.00wotulashingouz: that is a wrong attitude. can't you reason?
04:04.00Syedi am having problems with my dell laptop inspiron 600m video screen operating at 1024x768 resolution. It works fine at 800x600. Laptop has ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 video with 64MB Video Mem. At 1024x768 I get multiple tiled screen images with the pointer blurred. I tried to update using the ATI driver but it crashes the X-windows
04:04.20lakcajconcept10, I like the fact that I chose what embeded video I want to watch, and that everything is not automatically played.
04:04.21LightVisionlakcaj: you using Sarge too?
04:04.50LightVisionlakcaj:  where on http://membres.lycos.fr/sethnakht/ is the firefox exenstion?
04:04.54lakcajLightVision, I was and using sarge before with that extension, and I could play everything... apple trailers, etc.
04:04.56shingouzwotula: who are you to tell me my attitude is wrong *plonk*
04:04.57lispy_the md5sum matches BTW
04:05.17wotulashingouz: this is another bad pratice of some people here. It is autocratic. LIke they have the power so everyone should just follow or get lost.
04:05.46lakcajLightVision, there are two scroll bars.  Scroll down in the center, and you will see "Installation"
04:06.20LightVisionlakcaj:  im at: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/main.php/Firefox
04:06.25AzarSyed if you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 you could change the resolution default
04:06.26lakcajLightVision, or get it from here:  https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=446
04:06.46Wyzardwotula: I personally don't mind "anyone" queries, but I do see the reasoning behind why others do mind
04:06.55Syedok i will try that
04:07.11LightVisionlakcaj:  ok
04:07.12Xenguywotula: well, there is a 'culture' here, and bots are one way to educate people about various do's and don'ts <shrug>
04:07.18Wyzardwotula: In most cases the response will be "yes, so what's your question?" from multiple people...  which is a waste; you can just ask your question
04:07.31wotulashingouz: This is about Linux. Its spirit is to be open and free. It is about tolerance, choices, alternatives.
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04:08.12Xenguywotula: when you join an online community, it is customary to observer there rules, customs, etc., right?
04:08.24crispynix-v6why does the newest dbus (0.50) depend on mono?
04:08.26Xenguys/observer/observe
04:08.35dondelelcarowotula: in some sense, yes; but those factoids exist to help you get your question answered as quickly and as succintly as possible with a minimal waste of the community's resources.
04:08.40wotulaWyzard: most cases, not all, so there could be the probability of "no", its not zero.
04:08.44jdhutchin1wotula, it's for everyone's help- not many in here speak french- if you only speak french, you'll get more help there
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04:09.17Wyzardcrispynix-v6: On my system, running up-to-date sid, package "dbus-1" does not depend on Mono
04:09.18wotulaXenguy: rules are made by human, and made with human ideals.
04:09.23jdhutchin1wotula, you are free to speak other languages here, but you will quickly be ignored by most people who can't speak your language
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04:09.45Wyzardcrispynix-v6: Oops, ignore me -- that isn't 0.50  :-)
04:09.45jdhutchin1wotula, if you go into a language-specific channel, people there can understand you and help you much better than we could here
04:09.58crispynix-v6Wyzard: dbus 0.50 is in experimental, no x86 binaries yet (http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dbus.html)
04:10.00crispynix-v6Wyzard: heh
04:10.07dondelelcaronot really; if you speak other languages here after being asked to use the appropriate channel, you may be devoiced.
04:10.25lispy_i created a copy of netinst for etch, popped it in the drive, and i get the message, "Could not find kernel image: linux"
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04:10.40Xenguywotula: I agree with you about the spirit of linux BTW.  As for the factoids, some of them have evolved in the same spirit, in order to provide support in the most effective way possible.  Anyhow, nuff said :-)
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04:11.12Azarlispy_, linux-less etch?
04:11.27amonkeysomehow my install doesn't have the prism2_usb module, how can i add/build it in?
04:11.29wotulajdhutchin1: dondelelcaro: language is not the issue here, it is the intellect, the ability to reason.
04:11.39lispy_Azar: uh?
04:11.45Wyzardcrispynix-v6: Oh...  I'll bet they've added a .NET client library
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04:11.54Wyzardcrispynix-v6: so that .NET apps can talk to things across dbus
04:11.57Azarlispy_ this is how it sounds at the message
04:12.05dondelelcarowotula: eh? I'm not following you at all. What exactly is the problem?
04:12.12crispynix-v6Wyzard: that's great I suppose, but I don't want to install mono ...
04:12.13lispy_Azar: do you know how to fix it?
04:12.13mhallg'day all. What are the preprocessor macros to get the line number and source file name?
04:12.29Azarlispy_ unfortunately I did not get near etch so far
04:12.29Xenguywotula: heh, in the words of A. Crowley, "Reason is a whore"  :-]
04:12.33Wyzardcrispynix-v6: The don't install packages from experimental  :-)
04:12.57Wyzardcrispynix-v6: The Mono support might well get factored out into a separate package or something
04:12.57crispynix-v6Wyzard: well, it's likely that dbus 0.50 will become required for newer gnome (and possibly kde)
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04:13.04LightVisionlakcaj:  doesnt work for me, its installed but nothing plays
04:13.07crispynix-v6Wyzard: hope so :)
04:13.09lispy_why would they release an installer that's missing a boot kernel?
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04:13.26Azarlispy_ why didn't you first install and configure Sarge then change sources to upgrade to etch?
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04:13.41Wyzardcrispynix-v6: Wait, you're looking at build-dependencies of a source package, aren't you?
04:13.50dondelelcarolispy_: the images for etch are purely for testing purposes. They have *NOT* been released at all.
04:13.59Wyzardcrispynix-v6: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dbus/news/1.html <-- This file?
04:14.01lakcajLightVision, you restarted firefox and configured the extension?  When media player did you choose to play the streams?
04:14.05crispynix-v6Wyzard: no, I tried to build dbus 0.50 and saw mono when I ran 'apt-get build-dep dbus'
04:14.06lakcajs/When/What
04:14.17crispynix-v6Wyzard: yep
04:14.20hiroki_helx
04:14.21dondelelcarolispy_: they may not work, they may delete everything on your drives, they may eat your children... that's all part of the "testing" and "nightly" installer experience.
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04:14.35Wyzardcrispynix-v6: That's because the dbus source package builds multiple binary packages, including libdbus-1-cil, the .NET client library
04:14.41hiroki_hello. i'm having problems with X... would someone help me?
04:14.52lakcajhiroki_, depends on what the problem is
04:15.05crispynix-v6Wyzard: ah, ok :)
04:15.06THeTaNkask away dude
04:15.18dondelelcaro!tell hiroki_ -about ask
04:15.19lispy_but sarge doesn't do amd64
04:15.21LightVisionlakcaj:  yes done all that!  maybe I need to reboot Sarge
04:15.28Wyzardcrispynix-v6: It'll pull in GLib and QT stuff for the same reason
04:15.30wotuladondelelcaro: you just join the thread? the problem is that some people here find it annoying for anyone to start a quesiton with "Anyone..,".
04:15.38Azarlispy, yes there is an amd64 kernel for Sarge
04:15.41lakcajLightVision, I don't think so.  What media player did you select?
04:15.58hiroki_when i try to execute X it says this '*(EE xf860OpenSerial> Cannot open device /dev/input/mice. No such device
04:15.59LightVisionlakcaj:  mplater loads and sjust says Error
04:16.12dondelelcarowotula: no, the annoyance is with the question that isn't a real question: FE Q: "Anyone use foo?" A: yes; then they proceed to ask the real question.
04:16.18hiroki_(EE) Configured Mouse: Cannot open input device
04:16.20dondelelcaros/a/the/
04:16.21LightVisionlakcaj:  mplayer loads and just says Error and then nothing but a blue screen from MPlayer
04:16.36lakcajLightVision, maybe try xine.  I'll try those same trailers with mplayer.  Do you have w32codecs installed?
04:16.50hiroki_(EE) PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse"
04:16.52hiroki_No Core Pointer
04:17.11Xenguywotula: right.  Just ask the real question, see?  :-)
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04:17.20dondelelcarohiroki_: no need to paste anything more; the error is that /dev/input/mice doesn't exist or the right driver for it isn't loaded. Is this a usb mouse?
04:17.28supakillawhat's the source for "nerim" for debian sarge/stable
04:17.29LightVisionlakcaj:  not sure, how can I tell if I have w32codecs?
04:17.33hiroki_no, ps/2 mouse
04:17.33lispy_Azar: according to the website debian sarge was never relased for amd64
04:17.49nvzLightVision: if you don't know, then you don't have them
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04:17.54dondelelcarohiroki_: right, you should change the mouse device to /dev/psaux (check to make sure it exists first, of course.)
04:17.55Azarlispy_ I was talking about kernel version
04:17.56lakcajLightVision, if you don't know, then you probably don't have them installed.  If you added the marillat repo, then just apt-get install w32codecs
04:18.01LightVisionlakcaj:  its not installed!  does it need w32codecs?
04:18.06wotuladondelelcaro: as i explain it earlier, people come in here with uncertainties. They ask questions to eliminate the unlikelies to arrive at the certainties. First, they have to know if there is anyone who knows.
04:18.06lakcajyes
04:18.11dondelelcarohiroki_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86; should have the step to select it with.
04:18.11LightVisionnvz:  you were right :)
04:18.14hiroki_how d i do that?
04:18.17lakcajLightVision, to play wmv, you need w32codecs
04:18.20nvzLightVision: I know.
04:18.25LightVisionlakcaj:  im downloading them, now
04:18.33LightVisionnvz:  clever boy :)
04:18.41lakcajI missed your and nvz's conversation
04:18.47dondelelcarowotula: which is a useless question; it's much easier for everyone involved to have the real question asked as rapidly as possible. That's the whole point of the 'anyone' factoid.
04:18.49hiroki_thank you very much
04:18.54LightVisionlakcaj:  no1 told me about w32codecs :P
04:19.09hiroki_i'll be back and tell you what happened :)
04:19.14dondelelcarohiroki_: cool, good luck.
04:19.19hiroki_thanks
04:19.22Azarlispy_ by default the Sarge installation comes with a 2.4.x kernel but after installation you can go and upgrade the kernel from the list of available kernels for Sarge
04:19.24lakcajLightVision, well, that will be your problem.  I'm sure you will be able to play the trailer after w32codecs is installed.
04:20.07LightVisionlakcaj:  ok we shall soon see. downloading now. 13mb at modem speed :P
04:20.08wotuladondelelcaro: if nobody knows, then it is no point asking. I have seen people who start by writing a paragraph and then someone would suggest he goes look up somewhere else.
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04:20.37wotuladondelelcaro:  isn't that a waste of resources?
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04:20.57lakcajLightVision, that looks like an interesting flick btw.
04:21.10LightVisionlakcaj:  yeah, quantum mechanics
04:21.18aumhi - in wine, is it possible to configure a .iso file to look like a CD?
04:21.26Azarwotula , generally speaking a person first searches manuals and online documentation, and if it cannot find or do not understand, then comes here for help
04:21.28lakcajaum, yes... yes it is
04:21.29lispy_i get the same error with the business card iso
04:21.35lispy_this is lame
04:21.37LightVisionlakcaj:  Im into alchemy and quantum mechanics!  and that movie is based on quantum physics :)  very interesting indeed
04:21.47aumlakcaj: I've tried it, not seeing the 'drive'
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04:22.02lakcajLightVision, well, I'm not too sure about the alchemy, but quantum is interesting.
04:22.10LightVisionlakcaj:  you also interested by alchemy and quantum mechanics?
04:22.12dondelelcarowotula: no, it's not, because they've managed to think through the problem at that stage; they can just go to the proper resouce that we've indicated, and use the same question.
04:22.46dondelelcarowotula: it also helps us, because we can instantly identify if we're going to need to work through the problem, or if it would be better to refer someone to a specific forum that can better handle their question.
04:22.49lakcajaum, you have to mount is using the loopback device, and create a symlink to the mounted directory in .wine/dosdevices/
04:22.56LightVisionlakcaj:  yes!. you should look into alchemy also, very intesting!  Issac Newton for example invested 90% of his life in alchemy and finding bible codes.  very interesting indeed
04:23.19LightVisionlakcaj:  ever heard of the philisoper's stone?
04:23.27aumlakcaj: i got an app which is trying to read the drive info
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04:23.41lakcajonly from Harry Potter :)
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04:23.58lakcajaum, ok, did you do as I specified above?
04:24.07aumi'll try...
04:24.15PumpkinPieanyone spend a lot of money on co-location in here
04:24.19lakcajaum, I have done what you are trying to do.  You have to do what I said about mounting the iso, and then creating a symlink.
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04:24.38wotuladondelelcaro: they have thought through the problem, they don't know the answer. They join a community. It is reasonable that they want to know if any member of the community knows the area of they problem first.
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04:25.06dondelelcarowotula: the answer to that question is always yes here if the program is in Debian, which is why it's pointless to ask.
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04:25.19Xenguywotula: it is also *reasonable* that they be taught a better way
04:26.01lakcajaum, you likely have to mount the iso as root.  Do something like this:
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04:27.11wotuladondelelcaro: "if the program is in Debian". And Debian is not the embodiment of the universe of program.
04:27.20LightVisionlakcaj:  you serious? you read harry potter? :P  and does that book talk about the philosophers stone?
04:27.26CS_LoKo_BRhello
04:27.27dondelelcarowotula: if the program isn't in Debian, it's OT here anyway.
04:27.47CS_LoKo_BRi am brasilian,
04:28.16CS_LoKo_BRit s are brasilian...
04:28.24lakcajmkdir /media/fakedrive && mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /media/fakedrive && ln -s /media/fakedrive /home/username/.wine/dosdevices/f: /media/fakedrive && ln -s /media/fakedrive /home/username/.wine/dosdevices/f::
04:28.28shingouz!br
04:28.28dpkgPor favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
04:28.29lakcajaum, ^^^
04:28.35SyedAzar, I am sorry what was that command you suggested to configure the x11
04:28.42lakcajsomething like all that, there may be an error or two, but that is the idea
04:28.54dondelelcarowotula: it's really not that hard to ask a good question; we've got factoids that give handy templates to fill in to ask a good one. In the end, that's what works best for us, and what we want from people who expect to use this resource to get help.
04:28.55shingouzCS_LoKo_BR: maybe that channel helps a bit better, they speak portuguese there
04:29.09lakcajLightVision, no, I don't read Harry Potter, but one of the books is called, "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone".
04:29.11wotuladondelelcaro: It takes a person to know if the program is in Debian. So it is reasonable to ask "Anyone...".
04:29.23Xenguywotula: I believe you are starting to get unreasonable about this issue - are you determined to bludgeon us with your point of view until we submit in agreement? ;-)
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04:29.30lakcajwotula, give it a break already
04:29.41dondelelcarowotula: uh... hopefully they would already know that if they're /join'ing #debian.
04:29.42shingouzlakcaj: you should, potter is a nice diversion from all the bits and bytes ;)
04:29.44b0yc0tt3amis du jour bonjour
04:29.48lakcajwotula, #philosphy
04:30.09lakcajbonjour b0yc0tt3, comment sa va?
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04:30.31b0yc0tt3ben ca va ca va
04:30.32b0yc0tt3:)
04:30.35dondelelcarowotula: in any case, that's the way it will continue to be done here; I'm sorry if that doesn't meet with your approval.
04:31.27b0yc0tt3dite les amis je supute qu'il est possible d'installer plusieur distrib differante sur le meme dur ?
04:31.31aumlakcaj: sweet as, works nice, app is well fooled, many thx :)
04:31.35SyedHello Azar could you please repeat that suggestion you had to configure the X server
04:31.39lakcajshingouz, I normally don't read except technical manuals, but my g/f is reading the HP series, and she says it is an interesting and easy read, so I'm considering trying to actually read a novel :)
04:31.40dondelelcarob0yc0tt3: best to ask that in #debian-fr
04:31.51dondelelcaro!fr
04:31.51dpkgLes personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr
04:31.53wotuladondelelcaro: I know. Autocracy is setting in.
04:31.54lakcajaum, np... glad it worked!  :)
04:32.04b0yc0tt3oki thx
04:32.10AzarSayed, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and follow instruction to pick your desired default resolution
04:32.21wotuladondelelcaro: It is going the MS way.
04:32.22Syedthank you
04:32.24b0yc0tt3bye
04:32.27shingouzlakcaj: i read pretty much anything, even the potter books. they are fun to read, pretty much on par with discworld imho
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04:33.24shingouzapt-get install internet-exploder?
04:33.35Azar:D
04:33.42sketchyis there a config file for ftpd, and if so, where is it?
04:33.42lakcajshingouz, I'll likey try to read them.
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04:33.58shingouzlakcaj: there is no try... ;)
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04:34.09lakcajright :)
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04:34.24Xenguy.oO(Don't let the door hit you on the way out...)
04:34.26lakcajshingouz, you're powers of perception can see that I'm a procrastinator :)
04:34.30lakcajyour even
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04:34.47Balooshingouz: apt-get install internet-exploder only works if you have the goatse.cx sources in your sources.list
04:35.21ke6isfBaloo: =>.<=
04:35.33shingouzBaloo: eugh /me shivers
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04:36.36lakcajsketchy, dpkg -L ftpd | grep etc
04:36.38lakcaj?
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04:37.11shingouzsketchy: also, dpkg-reconfigure ftpd might help
04:37.56Baloolakcaj: Take it I said something else that got missed?
04:38.56lakcajBaloo, despite the fact that I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm sure you are 100% correct ;)
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04:39.19deadcatwhats readpatches in python?
04:39.21BalooI'll just quit while I'm ahead.
04:39.31shingouzlakcaj: he is talking about adding goatse.cx to your sources.list. bad idea really
04:39.47lakcajyeah... that would be a mistake
04:41.03lakcajdeadcat, where do you have readpatches?
04:41.50deadcatlakcaj: ibuild
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04:43.10LightVisiondeadcat:  hello, good to see you alive and well ;)
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04:43.27deadcatLightVision: (=
04:43.40LightVisiondeadcat:  :)
04:44.04deadcatLightVision: lots of readings by tomrrow )=
04:44.18LightVision:)
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04:51.25vinboy123hi guys
04:51.43vinboy123how do I set my client pc to specific IP so it doesn't change everytime it connects
04:52.16tcsetattrask your ISP for a static address. they might charge extra for it.
04:52.26vinboy123no no
04:52.27TraceGreenvinboy123, you may have a look at  /etc/network/interfaces
04:52.29vinboy123i mean in LAN
04:52.31vinboy123i have several pc
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04:52.40vinboy123:)
04:52.52tcsetattryou mean on your own DHCP server?
04:53.01FaithfulI am wanting to clone 2 boxes using rsync and I am trying to figure out which directories I have to avoid
04:53.10tcsetattrpeople usually don't refer to "connecting" to a LAN
04:53.13vinboy123can I set it on the client side?
04:53.21vinboy123or does it has to be on ther dhcp server side
04:53.36brittdoes anybody know of an application where I can take MP4 files (.m4a) and convert them to .mp3s
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04:54.03brittapt-get has zero entries
04:54.25tcsetattrwell, in theory, a DHCP client can request a specific address. But I wonder why you're using DHCP at all
04:54.26Agrajag-britt: faad i think it is
04:55.26Agrajag-britt: i believe it's in the marillat repo
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04:57.38tcsetattrwhat did that guy really want?
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04:59.55brittAgrajag-: come again...apt-get has this, or is this sourceforge
05:01.32LightVisionlakcaj:  still get errors
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05:02.18brittAgrajag-: do you knwo where I could get more information on it...
05:02.32tcsetattrbritt, marillat is an apt-get repository located in France that contains various items that cannot be included in Debian for legal reasons (mostly fear of being sued by Microsoft).
05:02.44tcsetattr!tell britt about marillat
05:02.46ty-phoohow do i rebuild the kernel in debian?
05:03.11britttcsetattr: got it
05:03.15atrustcsetattr: dhcp with fixed ip's is still good. you can still specify the dns server, gateway, etc. + dynamic ips for clients that don't request anything specific
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05:03.54Agrajag-britt: i already said, it's in the marillat repo
05:04.01sanxiyn!tell ty-phoo about make-kpkg
05:04.08Agrajag-britt: /msg dpkg marillat
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05:05.39ty-phoosanxiyn: i cant do "apt-get install kernel-package", couse i dont have internet on the machine i want to rebuild the kernel....
05:05.47sanxiynOh.
05:06.59ty-phooim gonna burn the kernel to a Cd, and then what am i supposed to do to rebuild it?
05:07.30DrShadeGreetings - I have an odd problem.  I was browsing the Net like normal and suddenly the computer started acting weird, eventually I deduced it wasn't the computer per se but the mouse - right clicks were doing left clicks and the left click wasn't doing anything at all!  I thought hrmm, I'll just reboot ;)  Did that and got the same behavior - the right mouse button is acting as both a left and right click.  I'm running Debian 3.1, 2.6 ker
05:07.30DrShadenel.  I haven't mucked around with anything and either my mouse is dying or something is mucked in XFree config.
05:07.48brittthe marillat sources are full?
05:08.15litageif i want to use ldaps and have users login with phpldapadmin using a uname/pwd rather than a certificate, do i just need to give slapd the CA cert, server cert and key, and not do anything special on the client-side?
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05:10.30DrShadeAnybody have any ideas?
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05:10.47chealDrShade: what mouse device and protocol are you using?
05:11.17DrShadecheal, sorry I did not specify.  /dev/psaux and ps2 respectively.
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05:12.12chealDrShade: did you try /dev/input/mice ?
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05:12.31xixorsup y'all
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05:12.35AzarDrShade, is that mouse acting as weird on the desktop or only when you start the browser?
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05:12.52DrShadeAzar, it's acting weird right from the start of GDM :(
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05:13.29ty-phoohow do i use .deb files?
05:13.30Azarmaybe you should review your mouse settings in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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05:13.54shingouzty-phoo: man dpkg
05:14.04ty-phoothanks
05:14.04Azaror maybe try another mouse if you have a spare one handy
05:14.31Azarto see if is a hardware issue or a setting issue
05:15.28ty-phooshould i use vanilla kernel?
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05:16.12jm_you should use Debian's kernels if you're asking this question
05:16.24shingouzty-phoo: just apt-get the new kernel in place and you should be ok
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05:16.50ty-phooshingouz: cant apt-get, i dont have internet on the machine i want to update kernel
05:17.11brittty-phoo: no, but you culd download the .deb
05:17.11kenboohttp://www.linux1394.org/ seems down
05:17.22litageif i use phpldapadmin via https to play with slapd, is there any benefit to using ldaps rather than ldap?
05:17.33brittty-phoo: and use dpkg to install
05:17.39sanxiynlitage: I don't think so.
05:17.44shingouzty-phoo: in that case, get the kernel-image-whatever.deb onto your computer off the debian repositories somehow, then dpkg -i kernel-image-blah.deb
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05:17.49litagesanxiyn: why is that?
05:18.07sanxiynlitage: Well, you're "playing" with slapd...
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05:18.26DrShadeAzar, good point.  I'm going to reboot and try another mouse...I know I have a spare around here -somewhere-.  Be back with further findings ;)
05:18.44ty-phooshingouz: thanks
05:18.46AP03does anyone know if kde 3.4.x works well in the unstable tree?
05:18.47shingouznp
05:18.54gentoothreefourany devs around
05:18.59chealAP03: #debian-kde, possibly
05:19.06AP03cheal: k ill try that
05:19.17sanxiynAP03: It's in progress of being uploaded. Core KDE parts should work fine now.
05:19.18chealgentoothreefour: do you think they'd tell you if there were?
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05:19.39litagesanxiyn: okay, replace "playing" with "querying and modifying"  =P
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05:20.03kregWyzard, finally got all that data temporary stored somewhere from that 330GB raid arrary.  i'm running the western digital bootable dos iso for diagnosing the drives now.  thanks for the advise.
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05:20.59sanxiynlitage: If LDAP is public-read, ldaps is pointless. Some kind of secure authentication is enough.
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05:21.21AP03sanxiyn: are you the one who is uploading the debs?
05:21.21litagesanxiyn: why is ldaps pointless if the directory is publicly available?
05:21.26sanxiynlitage: If it's not public read (i.e. not only modification, but query should be hidden), you'd need ldaps no matter you use https with phpldapadmin or not.
05:21.41sanxiynAP03: No I'm not.
05:21.48sanxiynlitage: What are you trying to hide?
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05:22.17AP03sanxiyn: is there anyway to know when itll be done? just wondering when i could apt-get it
05:22.21litagesanxiyn: i'm not trying to hide anything, i'm trying to secure all comms
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05:22.32Vyrus001how do i "APT::Force-LoopBreak "
05:22.32Vyrus001?
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05:23.10XenguyVyrus001: Ihad that same issue recently...
05:23.11streuner!listvals APT::Force-LoopBreak
05:23.13dpkgFactoid search of 'APT::Force-LoopBreak' by value (2): pam loop ;; force loopbreak.
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05:23.44sanxiynVyrus001: -o APT::Force-Loopreak=1 <rest of line>
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05:24.18Vyrus001sanxiyn lol ok i am now massively confused
05:24.25Vyrus001i was apt-get installing somthing and it said to do that
05:24.32sanxiynVyrus001: So do so.
05:24.43streuner!force loopbreak
05:24.43dpkg'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'.  Fix suggested by xk.  Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade.
05:24.44Vyrus001apt-get install -o bla ?
05:24.47Vyrus001ahh
05:24.49Vyrus001thanx
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05:26.36britti just got an error when i try to remotely run xmms through ssh X tunneling...
05:27.00brittBadAccess attempt to access private resource denied....
05:27.09XenguyVyrus001: did that work for you then?
05:27.37Vyrus001yes
05:27.39Vyrus001thanx
05:27.47XenguyVyrus001: good to know
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05:28.09brittanybody
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05:28.19sanxiynlitage: Also I heard that ldaps is deprecated in favor of starttls.
05:28.24sanxiynlitage: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2830.html
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05:29.39Azarbritt, it has to do with the files you try to play, if the files access do not allow but only the user, you might not be able to open/listen to them
05:30.06jm_britt: what's the exact error?
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05:32.41ViO|Manixcan anyone help me?
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05:33.11brittAzar: the files play if i just play them...but if i try to open and proceed to play a NEW file, as soon as i hit open the app crashes
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05:33.23litagethanks sanxiyn, reading now
05:33.24britti will post the error to #flood
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05:33.32britttell me when you guys are in there
05:33.33streunerViaD_: just ask
05:33.41chealViO|Manix: unless you have some other question, no.
05:33.41streunerViO|Manix: just ask
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05:34.07streuner!tell Langly1 about root
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05:34.44ViO|Manixwe have 5 ips on our debian server...and only the first one is setup
05:34.57Azarbritt, the way I think, the administrator of the remote machine should give you rights to access applications, just as a simple idea, it might be more to it though.
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05:35.22brittAzar: I am using both compuetrs involved
05:35.25ViO|Manixis there anyone that can help me setup the other ones?
05:35.34brittit has worked before....so i know its something i didnt do
05:35.47brittchmod 666 /mnt/foo folder
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05:36.02Azarbritt then it has to do with xmms itself then, a bug or something
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05:36.46dswI use knoppix to make partition backups. Is there a smaller, faster way to have simply restorable (like incremental) whole system backups?
05:37.00Azarthe original Access Denied still looks like a security issue
05:38.58brittAzar: hmm....thanks
05:39.08brittAzar: lemme try a reboot...
05:39.17AP03dpkg quick etch/sid mix
05:39.17dpkgfrom memory, quick etch/sid mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your etch lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo  to install foo from sid rather than etch, or this will probably break if packages from unstable are compiled with gcc 4 and packages in etch aren't.
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05:42.41amahbodhey all.
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05:43.12amahbodhow can i give non-root users access to the parallel port?
05:43.45bob2chgrp the device node
05:43.46shingouzamahbod: add them to the group the port belongs to
05:43.53amahbodshingouz, what group is that?
05:43.55tcsetattryou could add them to the lp group
05:43.59shingouzunles it is root that is...
05:44.04peterSamahbod: uhh, check the device itself
05:44.07peterSamahbod: which would be /dev/lp0
05:44.11amahbodok
05:44.12peterSamahbod: you'll find it is group 'lp'
05:44.24amahbodhow do i add a user to a group again?
05:44.26amahbod:P
05:44.30peterSadduser username lp
05:44.51amahbodhow do i view all groups available?
05:44.58amahbodis there some kind of group / user manager?
05:45.07peterSamahbod: getent group
05:45.13tcsetattrit's called vigr
05:45.22tcsetattrbah, getent, newfangled crap
05:45.29MortalmanStupid question, but what is "contrib" ?
05:45.51peterStcsetattr: hey, back in the day I used to (cat /etc/group; ypcat group 2>/dev/null) | whatever
05:46.01peterStcsetattr: getent is more comfortable (:
05:46.04amahbodlol
05:46.06bob2!+contrib
05:46.06dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages  To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end.
05:46.10bob2Mortalman: ^
05:46.17amahbodanother lame question, what is the group for the serial port?
05:46.24amahbodi am looking at getent group
05:46.26amahbodand i dont see it
05:46.27peterStcsetattr: almost certainly not
05:46.28hileonamahbod: kde control center->system->user manager
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05:46.45tcsetattramahbod, you really need to learn to use ls
05:46.53amahbodtcsetattr, ?
05:46.54hileonamahbod: needs root privilege.
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05:47.04amahbodhileon, dont have kde
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05:47.14tcsetattrwhy not? getgrent() isn't hard... but then saving it back across NIS might be.
05:47.15peterSamahbod: he's saying you need to know how to do 'ls -l /dev/ttyS0'
05:47.15amahbodhileon, (or the kde libs)
05:47.25Langly2where do I specift eth0 to have a static ip instead of one by DHCP
05:47.39Langly2Sorry about the repeat net went down
05:47.49peterStcsetattr: saving it back, yeah, that's the problem.  a vigr which can only read NIS wouldn't be too useful
05:47.51caphusoLangly2: man 5 interfaces
05:48.07amahbodpeterS, i just assumed that there was a group for serial access too, guess i was wrong
05:48.23peterSamahbod: there's a group for modems, which are what you often plug into serial ports
05:48.30peterSamahbod: he's still right that you should learn to use ls
05:48.48amahbodpeterS, i knew how to use ls :P
05:48.57peterSamahbod: then you wouldn't have had to ask these questions
05:49.01tcsetattrpresumably NIS clients are workstations that shouldn't be editing the master files anyway. You want to run vigr on the server... so there's no need for it to be NIS-aware except for maybe running an update after it exits
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05:49.01Langly2thx
05:49.09amahbodpeterS, i just thought that chmodding the file would be less secure, no?
05:49.10peterStcsetattr: right
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05:49.36amahbodnevermind.
05:49.37peterSamahbod: you had to ask what group the serial ports were associated with.  if you knew how to use ls you could have answered that question already
05:49.57peterSamahbod: unless your real question was "what device files are serial ports?"
05:50.01amahbodpeterS, i didnt know serial was ttyS0
05:50.08amahbodyes.
05:50.30peterSamahbod: that's your real question, then, because without knowing what device file to use, it wouldn't do you much good to have access to them
05:50.45Langly2anyone here familiar with lessdisks?
05:51.17tcsetattrit must be the successor to moredisks. And I've never heard of that either.
05:51.24amahbodpeterS, i am part of the group "lp" and i cannot access the port :(
05:51.51shingouzamahbod: logout and login. try again
05:52.04amahbodstill wont let me.
05:52.05tcsetattramahbod, your previously existing logins do not gain privileges when you edit the group membership list.
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05:52.14amahboddo i have to log out of X?
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05:52.20amahbodor just open a new prompt
05:52.20peterSamahbod: right, the group file is read at login time, so if you've changed it since you last logged in, you'll have to do it again
05:52.25hileonLangly2: From what I read here in the past, q starting with "anyone..." could get you into trouble.
05:52.33peterSamahbod: well, you could run 'newgrp lp'
05:52.43peterSamahbod: that's kind of like re-logging in, just for that one terminal
05:52.57tcsetattryou have to do something that re-crosses the root-to-user privilege barrier...
05:53.01amahbodpeterS, did that, still doesnt work :(
05:53.03shingouz!tell Langly2 about ask
05:53.11peterSamahbod: type 'id' and make sure it lists lp as one of your groups
05:53.16amahbodpeterS, woah, but now my terminal is all colored
05:53.27tcsetattrI think we're having one of those "doesn't work" problems...
05:53.35tcsetattrplease, your terminal is African-American.
05:53.36Azarhileon let's not start over that discussion: a normal intro would sound like: good evening/day/morning, I am having a problem with .. etc etc, could someone guide me?
05:53.52amahbodpeterS, i ls'd /dev/parport0 and it says "group 99"
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05:54.09amahbodwhich isnt my lp group
05:54.10DrShadeHello again!
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05:54.16shingouzamahbod: /dev/lp0
05:54.20peterSamahbod: look more closely, it's device major 99
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05:54.26positrixwhat's an easy way to "clean up" html? i mean to strip out all of the tags, except bold, italics, and links. i tried html2text, but it took out bold and italics and links. i also tried htmlclean, but it left it all in.
05:54.28peterSshingouz: no, he's right, parport0 is the parallel port
05:54.33shingouzoh
05:54.39shingouzi stand corrected
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05:54.41tcsetattramahbod, 99 is the device major number for /dev/parport*, and if you are looking for a printer port, try /dev/lp*. /dev/parport* is for more exotic devices.
05:54.47peterSshingouz: lp0 is a parallel *printer* specifically
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05:54.51Langly2Ive got lessdisks installed to the point it starts telling me to do stuff from a booted terminal, but my dhcp although started doesnt seem to be working
05:54.53amahbodparport.
05:55.02Langly2and I cant find how to make a lessdisks bootfloppy
05:55.09tcsetattrcan you make a printer work by writing to /dev/parport*? I never tried it
05:55.12hileonAzar: My point is: "anyone..." is a common, sensible to start a question. those debhelper should not make a fuss about it.
05:55.21peterStcsetattr: not sure.  I don't think you can though
05:55.28Langly2just tryng my nic's bootrim atm whch I beleive is the problem'
05:55.39shingouznot another one of these "anyone" discussions.... :(
05:55.48Azarhileon each channel has its rules of protocol discussion, this is one of them, it is not much to ask from visitors
05:56.16hileonAzar: it defies common sense.
05:56.17peterSAzar: drop it.  it's a mere matter of terminology.  I think we make much too much of this "difference between polling and asking a question"
05:56.29Azarindeed, topic closed
05:56.38peterSthanks
05:57.17DrShadeAzar, (and others who might have been following) - well, I shutdown my system.  Plugged in my other ps2 mouse, started up, and it works fine.  Shutdown again, plugged back in the questionable mouse, started up, and left clicks worked for a short while but before I could make it to this channel the left mouse button stopped working.  So, I'm using the working one now, heh, all is good, am I to conclude a dying mouse or what? heh
05:57.27brittif i install vncserver, can i choose which X interface to start with
05:57.33brittlike gdm or fluxbox
05:57.45hileonAzar: topic can close anytime but the point will be made again and again when people will continue to ask "anyone...".
05:57.46peterSDrShade: sure sounds like a problem with the physical mouse, yeah
05:57.49Cokepositrix: why would you want to keep bold, italics and links tags?
05:57.50AzarDrShade, nice to see you pinpointed the issue.
05:57.50shingouzDrShade: sounds like a dead mouse. it is PS/2 btw ;)
05:57.58toresbeshingouz :)
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05:58.02shingouzhi tore
05:58.02toresbeshingouz: how are things?
05:58.09shingouzbusy as hell
05:58.15DrShadeshingouz, sorry, always forget the / ;)
05:58.16toresbefun, fun :P
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05:58.43toresbeshingouz: I got the coolest computer when I got back from Finland
05:58.43DrShadeThanks for the help and guidance gang :)
05:58.54toresbeshingouz: It's a Norsk Data ND-120/CX
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05:58.56lofdevvaldyn: thanks for the help last night.  you ever built a deb-based router before
05:58.57shingouzDrShade: it is there for a reason, id distinguishes computers from s*ny playwithmyselfstations ;)
05:58.58toresbeshingouz: heard of Norsk Data?
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05:59.16shingouztoresbe: i have heard some mentions of it, yes
05:59.22DrShadeshingouz, good point indeed ;)
05:59.24toresbeshingouz: It's a big, brown computer :)
05:59.26positrixCoke: im trying to clean it up. it was generated by mswrod, and is at least 50% pure crap.
05:59.27shingouztoresbe: that a big computer this time?
05:59.30Coketoresbe: a card board box with a nintendo inside?
05:59.30toresbeshingouz: very very fun toy
05:59.32shingouzah. huge
05:59.36peterSamahbod: so when you ran 'id' it did or did not list lp as one of your groups?
05:59.42toresbekicks*
05:59.50amahbodpeterS, after i did newgrp lp it did
05:59.53DrShadeI'm gonna miss the little red glow from the trusty optical mouse when I go to sleep at night :((((
05:59.54amahbodpeterS, but it still doesnt work
05:59.56zamolxespositrix: there are way to cleanup word mess :)
05:59.58toresbeshingouz: fairly big
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06:00.06toresbeshingouz: I have pics
06:00.08peterSamahbod: please define "doesn't work".  I don't think your problem is permissions at all.
06:00.09amahbodpeterS, i also added myself to the "disk" group and it didnt help
06:00.10brittdrinks*
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06:00.17shingouztoresbe: knowing you it means it has to weigh about 1.5 tons
06:00.19toresbehttp://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/nd/nd100
06:00.20positrixzamolxes: and those would be?
06:00.21lofdevanyone ever had issues with debian-based routers and mtu settings dropping packets between IIS servers?
06:00.22peterSamahbod: don't do that, you don't want raw access to rewrite your whole filesystem from the ground up
06:00.24amahbodpeterS, i have a file which trys to access the parallel port, and it doesnt work
06:00.25toresbeshingouz: heheh, 0.1 tons
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06:00.35peterSamahbod: file a bug against that program, then
06:00.36Cokepositrix: tidy is a small and efficient program. however, it doesn't have the configurability you desire.
06:00.40toresbeshingouz: and boy, did my body feel that after moving the machine home
06:00.45amahbodpeterS, the file runs fine as root though
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06:00.57mhallI am trying to do a Debian installation on a system with a Promise IDE controller but the modules won't load.
06:00.58shingouztoresbe: hehehee... you need to work out a bit more :p
06:01.01peterSamahbod: if it just needs access to /dev/parport0 or /dev/lp0, you have given it that.
06:01.03amahbodpeterS, and all it does is write data out to 0x378 (the parallel port)
06:01.04mhallHow do I figure out what the problem is?
06:01.08peterSamahbod: aha!
06:01.10toresbes/feel/ache
06:01.14amahbodpeterS, ?
06:01.14bob2mhall: load the module manually
06:01.21toresbeshingouz: And I work out all the time, with computers of this type ;)
06:01.23zamolxespositrix: well first of all i think word has 'html' and 'html for web' , the first one tries to keep the original layout and such , the second one is cleaner code
06:01.24peterSamahbod: so it's really doing raw port access to 0x378.  that's not something you can give it permission to do without being root
06:01.26nite613lofdev: Yes, actually. I had problems because IIS would set the DF flag on packets to the router would drop them
06:01.31Coketoresbe: is your name Tor-Esben?
06:01.36peterSamahbod: it should learn to use /dev/parport0 instead
06:01.37mhallbob2: Yeah I tried that too and all it would say is that the insertion failed.
06:01.39DrShadeI seem to have missed something (the 'anyone' debate)...or is that best left alone?  I just don't want to go against standard protocol when asking questions/seeking help.
06:01.41toresbeCoke: It's Tore S Bekkedal
06:01.51mhallbob2: No log on screen 4 either.
06:01.57Coketoresbe: ah, because TorEsbe(n) would fit your nick rather well
06:01.59shingouztoresbe: a nice toy indeed :)
06:02.02peterSDrShade: nothing important there
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06:02.08nite613lofdev: Two things worked, setting the MTU higher (within limits of your link of course), or writing an ipchains rule to just dump the DF flag on anything coming from the nasty IIS server ;)
06:02.14mhallbob2: I'm thinking there is something weird with the PCI configuration.
06:02.16positrixzamolxes: unfortuanately i dont have the origional word file, just the html
06:02.17DrShadepeterS, kk :)
06:02.17amahbodpeterS, how do i remove myself from a group?
06:02.18bob2mhall: dmesg
06:02.20toresbeshingouz: yeah. Also, there's been started a Norwegian computer history society
06:02.21mhallbob2: The box is combo AGP / PCI
06:02.35mhallbob2: oops, I mean ISA / PCI
06:02.38peterSDrShade: the issue is that people sometimes come in and say "does anyone have a ZIP drive" or similar.  that's a dumb question, what they really mean is "I've got this ___________ problem with my ZIP drive, what can I do?"
06:02.41shingouztoresbe: ...which you are a founding member of i guess... ;)
06:02.47toresbeshingouz: of course :)
06:02.48bob2mhall: that should not cause an issue
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06:02.49toresbeshingouz: i'm going to host the member database on this computer ;)
06:02.56shingouznice
06:03.03peterSDrShade: basically: "does anyone have a ZIP drive" is not their real question - their real question is the one they will ask next, after someone says they have one
06:03.12peterSDrShade: so it wastes our time.  so we don't like it when people do that.
06:03.20shingouztoresbe: now for the most important question: does the computer run doom?
06:03.25toresbeshingouz: hahahah
06:03.32toresbeshingouz: It doesn't have a framebuffer :P
06:03.36mhallbob2: Well it has some odd BIOS options and I'm guessing maybe they are not rightly configured.
06:03.37zamolxespositrix: http://tidy.sourceforge.net/docs/Overview.html#word2000
06:03.39DrShadepeterS, Ahhh, it all makes sense.
06:03.39peterStcsetattr: on some powerpcs, parport_pc will work
06:03.49shingouztoresbe: install one then. you can do it
06:04.02toresbeshingouz: I'd have to make one
06:04.24bob2mhall: I'd be very surprised if that was it
06:04.24toresbeshingouz: actually, I just realized that ND did make a framebuffer for the Octobus
06:04.30karlI need to sync a software raid. It takes too long. Where do I set the speed of the sync process? Can anyone help?
06:04.31lofdevnite613: using pppoe, right?
06:04.33toresbeshingouz: and it was actually 3d accelled
06:04.42nite613lofdev: Actually we weren't, no
06:04.50peterStcsetattr: I haven't tried this on CHRP-based IBM RS/6000s, but I happen to know they have ISA-style parallel ports complete with port address 0x378
06:04.53toresbeshingouz: It was absolutely cutting-edge in ...'90, I believe
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06:05.23nite613lofdev: Err, maybe we were, but PPPOE wasn't running on the debian box, that's for sure. It may have been on an intermediate router, I don't recall
06:05.38mhallbob2: I checked dmesg.
06:05.47mhallbob2: No messages from the IDE modules.
06:05.55lofdevnite613: probably the same problem.  What's a DF flag?
06:06.08mhallbob2: Only from ethernet, which was the first step since this is a floppy install.
06:06.12tcsetattrDon't Fragment.
06:06.16nite613lofdev: "Don't framgment"
06:06.39lofdevnite613: so I simply strip it with IPchains and the problem shoudl go away?
06:06.41hileonkarl:the q "can anyone help" will get you into trouble.
06:06.43mhallbob2: Do you suppose I broke it by choosing to download the unstable version in the mirror choice dialog boxes?
06:06.50bob2I doubt it
06:06.54peterSDrShade: the reason we just had an argument about "anyone questions" is that someone asked something like "can anyone tell me how to...." which, although it uses the word 'anyone', is not one of those time-waster questions
06:06.57mhallbob2: Maybe that grabbed some broken unstable installer components.
06:07.05bob2maybe
06:07.10mhallbob2: Cause the distro choice came before the component download.
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06:07.21zamolxespositrix: http://duramecho.com/ComputerPrograms/StripFormattingFromWordGeneratedHtml/
06:07.28mhallbob2: And the daily D-I ISO build I've downloaded lately have been variously broken.
06:07.30CokeI'm trying to google for info on how well pcie and the latest geforce 6000-series work with Linux 2.6, I'm looking for a review or similar. Preferably with the kernels available in Debian stable and testing.
06:07.37mhallbob2: I imagine this could propagate also to the floppy install.
06:07.41karlDoes anyone know how to change the speed of the sync process of a software raid
06:07.42amahbodhow do i remove myself from a group?
06:07.45DrShadeWell I have another question...and sadly it's quite a large one (but I have faith in the power of the wizards here) - I can't get direct hardware support in X for my video card.  :( It's an ATi 9700 Pro seated on a nforce a7n8x mobo.  I run Debian 3.1 fairly stock with a standard 2.6 kernel.  That should be the relevent information, can provide X logs further info as needed.
06:07.53mhallbob2: Another clue, the device appeared in /proc/pci
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06:08.04mhallbob2: Is there any unusual things I could look for in there?
06:08.05CokeDrShade: xorg or xfree86?
06:08.05bob2mhall: that just means it exists on the PCI bus
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06:08.08zamolxespositrix: http://www2.sis.pitt.edu/~lmann/project3/
06:08.12DrShadeCoke, xfree86
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06:08.26yasirHi debian experts
06:08.29zamolxespositrix: google does wonders, its a great thing people on freenode can use it on your behalf :P
06:08.36lofdevnite613: any advice re: getting ipchains set to strip the flag?
06:08.40zamolxesyasir: hi
06:08.42zamolxes:))
06:08.55CokeDrShade: and you use the xfree86 ati drivers?
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06:09.04Guerinlofdev: why are you using ipchains?
06:09.11CokeDrShade: the 9700 is X800 chipset, right?
06:09.21Langly2damn I just cant get my dhcp server workin
06:09.33mhallbob2: Another thing I noticed many devices stacked onto IRQ 11 and I've had problems when NICs were stacked with other peripherals on an IRQ...
06:09.34yasirI am wondering if any one can help to find out MAC address of my net card in Debian
06:09.42lofdevGuerin: running a router doing pppoe.  having problems with IIS server comms.
06:10.04yasirHi zamolxes
06:10.06zamolxesyasir: type ifconfig as root ..
06:10.11Langly2woot GOT IT
06:10.13Guerinlofdev: on a 2.2 or older kernel?
06:10.14amahbodpeterS, how do i remove myself from a group? @_@
06:10.22tcsetattrI think he meant "ipchains? the 2.2 kernel compatibility layer? why haven't you moved on with your life and learned to use iptables?"
06:10.27lofdevGuerin: my bad iptables
06:10.31peterSamahbod: opposite of adduser is deluser
06:10.33Guerinok
06:10.38Langly2it works now
06:10.43positrixzamolxes: thanks
06:10.44Guerinlofdev: #iptables, lartc.org
06:10.48Langly2so does network booting from the box
06:10.49Langly2yay
06:10.52CokeDrShade: no, it seems it is the R300 chipset. it does not includ 3D hw support for R300 chipsets, the documentation says so.
06:10.58DrShadeCoke, there's an issue I'm unsure about.  I downloaded the newest ati drivers thinking that might help, it was a .run file, however my X log reports a module not found (fglxr) and a drmOpen failure.
06:11.05yasirThanks zamolxes
06:11.08Langly2I only actualy made one small mistake
06:11.13CokeDrShade: http://xfree86.org/4.3.0/radeon.4.html
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06:11.30Langly2left one thing commented in one file i should not have by accident
06:11.30CokeDrShade: ah, so you're not using the xfree86 drivers then.
06:11.32yasirI thought it's a diffrent command that in Fedora!
06:11.39DrShadeCoke, nod.
06:12.07brittTerminX: what's up dude, saw that you are on.
06:12.10CokeDrShade: can't help you, all I know is that everybody I know who wanted to play Doom 3 or UT2K4 and had Radeon has now switched to GeForce.
06:12.12lofdevGuerin: brilliant. thanks for the direction.
06:12.21TerminXbritt: oh, hello
06:12.26Guerinlofdev: no wuckin' furries mate.
06:12.31hileondondelelcaro: observing here for a few minutes, i have come across q as such: "Anyone...", "Can anyone...", "Does anyone...". That rule that forbids this kind of question should be removed. It defies common sense, common human tendency.
06:12.48jm_bwahaha
06:13.01caphusothat's not a rule, that are stupid people not understanding the rule
06:13.05CokeDrShade: until ATI starts throwing some money at the driver hackers nvidia will be better.
06:13.07yasirThanx again guyz and best wishes to all linux users, developers
06:13.08peterShileon: there are two kinds of questions that have 'anyone' in them
06:13.17yasirexit
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06:13.32hileoncaphuso: it is a rule made by undoubtedly dumb people.
06:13.35bob2hileon: it's annoying and a waste of volunteer time
06:13.38peterShileon: one kind is "does anyone have a XXX card?" which wastes our time because it's not their real question.  they don't care if anyone has that type of card, they have some *other* question about the card which they will ask next.
06:13.51jm_I have come accross someone who actualyl wanted to ask this question just once, and even for that I can't tell if he said it because I pointed out it was a stupid question or he really meant it
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06:13.59peterShileon: the other type of 'anyone' question is when you ask your real question initially, but phrase it as "can anyone tell me ..."
06:14.00bob2hileon: perhaps you should spend a significant amount of time helping before judging?
06:14.17DrShadeCoke, no worries for games mate, I'm just wondering if not having direct rendering is affecting my normal X usage, such as window rendering speed, etc?
06:14.17Langly2why would debian freeze on "Starting MTA:"
06:14.34CokeDrShade: a lot, if you use a fancy desktop
06:14.37jm_Langly2: it's usually name resolution issue, often adressed by your MTA's FAQ
06:14.40bob2Langly2: broken network config; try ctrl-c
06:14.56zamolxeshi does anyone in here use debian lolol !1!
06:15.07zamolxes:)
06:15.07brittwhy doesn't my debian server liked to be statically config'd?
06:15.13CokeDrShade: but in the ATI case I think that the R300 2D (DRI) is supported so it will be fast enough for all non opengl-stuff.
06:15.22positrixzamolxes: OMG! YS! i doo!!!1111one
06:15.23peterSzamolxes: we all upgraded to knx-hdinstall awhile back
06:15.23hileoni am helping at the most basic level. pointing out something very fundamental. let participants ask question in a free-form manner.
06:15.30brittit works for a day then stops...suddenly...no blown caps, working fine with DHCP
06:15.31Cokebritt: what do you mean?
06:15.35peterSzamolxes: well, those who didn't upgrade to hoary
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06:15.45Azarbritt, did you accepted the default dhcp at installation?
06:15.51hileondon't try to format their questioning style.
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06:15.53zamolxes"you're fired"
06:16.02jm_don't tell me what to do
06:16.04brittAzar: yeah, then i changed it in /etc/network/interfaces
06:16.07peterShileon: you're wasting a lot more of everyone's time than if you'd said nothing, though
06:16.08bob2hileon: no, you're being annoying and not contributing
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06:16.35DrShadeCoke, in that case...that's not good ;)  I managed to get direct rendering working -once- with the same hardware specs on a Gentoo system a long time ago, don't remember the process but it was long and painful.  Ah, well that is good then, because I don't really fool with open-gl type stuff, and run stock Xfce 4.2.2 no special window compositing or anything ;)
06:16.43Azarbritt it might that your changes are not running, I have tried once to change the IP address of my machine that way and it did not took it
06:16.51mrgenixusGuerin:  wityh all due respect #iptables appears to be dead
06:16.53hileonbob2: you are free to think which ever way you like. i can accept that.
06:17.05bob2hileon: it'd be nice if you stopped wasting yet more time, tho
06:17.09brittAzar: well it works fine over 192.168.1.....lets say 5
06:17.11Cokehileon: can you give some logical reasoning as to why people have to ask 1) can I ask a question? 2) does anybody know of ? and finally 3) ? doesn't work   when all it will result in is counter questions?
06:17.12britt192.168.1.5
06:17.18brittfor two days
06:17.19bob2hileon: if you think this is an issue ,then yo ucan hang around and answer people's poorly formed questions
06:17.26brittthen stops completly and doesnt get a new IP
06:17.31Cokehileon: aren't people looking for ANSWERS and not counter questions?
06:17.37Azarbritt that IP denoted a dhcp connection, not a static IP
06:17.39zamolxesmrgenixus: people in #netfilter might help you, but be polite, they're all kernel hackers they hack you :P
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06:17.49Cokebritt: what do you mean "stops completely"? you can't get a console?
06:17.49britti live two hours from the server, so it stops working...
06:17.56brittCoke: yes...no console
06:17.58zamolxesbeware of that rusty character though :)
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06:18.10jm_hah just found out sylpheed-claws has vcalendar plugin
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06:18.13tcsetattrbecause the real question is long and one doesn't want to waste time typing the whole thing in, if it can be determined ahead of time that nobody present has the experience required to answer it?
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06:18.26mrgenixuszamolxes: ??
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06:18.29brittAzar: that actually denoted a statically assigned IP in my Linksys subnet that I created, if I say static Ip i mean static IP
06:18.34mhallbob2: Yeah the unstable installer components is t3h b0rk3d.
06:18.42Azarbritt, maybe your gateway address is not reading all internal addresses..
06:18.43mrgenixusbritt: you need to look into some out-of-band management
06:18.43mhallbob2: Works just grand with the stable components.
06:18.44caphusotcsetattr: that's the bullshit excuse
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06:18.53caphusoit's flawed all the way and back
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06:18.57hileonCoke: I have tried to explain several times before. Just let people ask their questions in which ever way they like. Simple. Common sense.
06:19.01mhallbob2: Food for thought the next time I do a floppy install (not real likely though)...
06:19.01zamolxestcsetattr: well i think one person's time is less important then our time to read the question and point him to the 'anyone' factoid
06:19.02bob2tcsetattr: helper time is more valuable than asker time, to be blunt
06:19.06Cokejm_: oh, really? you know, it is my ongoing life mission to some day develop a CLI calendar utility and a plugin for mutt so that we can ascend from GUI to CLI in our every day life. :)
06:19.14bob2hileon: if you're not volunteering to hang around and answer stupid questions, shut up
06:19.27zamolxesmrgenixus: just try #netfilter, uh
06:19.31Cokehileon: even if the questions are the opposite of simple and sensible?
06:19.40positrixCoke: theres a calender in emacs.
06:19.48jm_Coke: I was looking for an external app to show them, but my bro said sylpheed has it, and it's even packaged for unstable (http://sylpheed-claws.sourceforge.net/img/plugins/vcalendar.png)
06:19.51mrgenixuszamolxes: they ALSO appear to be dead
06:20.07Cokepositrix: yes, but you can't have multiple calendar databases connected to it. check out mozillas calendar project or the icalendar for osx for a reference implemenation.
06:20.08DrShadeMight anybody else have info on getting direct rendering working on a 9700 pro / asus a7n8x combo, xfree86, 2.6 kernel, and current ATi drivers?
06:20.14zamolxesmrgenixus: they're not dead, they're just writing code when they're not lurking on freenode
06:20.16tcsetattrwhatever... it's more than likely the real explanation for why people behave that way. same reason people don't trim quoted material when they post followups to mailing lists and usenet, why they don't read FAQ lists before barging in, etc. They all think their time is too valuable.
06:20.31brittAzar: would that explain why it works for a while then not work...?
06:20.37tcsetattrbefore they beg you for free help, they want to make sure you're qualified.
06:20.43Azarbob2, forgive me but I forgot, running debconf would help with reconfiguring the internet connections?
06:20.44tcsetattrit may not be right, but it's true.
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06:20.48Cokejm_: in traditional sylpheed "the GUI developed by a hardcore CLI user" style
06:20.50brittmrgenixus: what do you mean out-of-band management
06:20.52bob2Azar: no
06:20.52mrgenixuszamolxes: but that doesn't fix my DF bit problem
06:21.06Azarbob2, thanks
06:21.36hileonCoke: If you have a problem, you join a community. The first thing you want to find out is if there is any member in the community who is familiar in the area of your problem. Is that wrong?
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06:21.36caphusohileon: yes
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06:21.36caphusothe first thing you do is learn how the community works
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06:21.52hileoncaphuso: don't just say yes, give reason(s).
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06:21.58caphusoduh
06:22.09caphusohileon: 08:21 caphuso> the first thing you do is learn how the community works
06:22.21mrgenixusbritt: hmm, ethernet is in-band management, no-a-days, in-band management is connection to your device: server or router, or whataver via services it provides or supports.  OUt of band management is a connect entirely supported by itself, typically a dialup modem connected to the serial port as a root console
06:22.21Cokehileon: think about it, it's like shouting into a crowd. this is not a crowd, this is more like people tuning in to a radio station, we will give you a call if we know the answer to your question.
06:22.28bob2caphuso: that's the first thing you do in any community, real or online
06:22.32dondelelcarohileon: do we really need to continue this conversation any more? I've explained the reasoning previously.
06:22.36bob2er, hileon
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06:22.39hileoncaphuso: basically whether as an individual or a community, it should be guided ny common sense.
06:22.42Azarbob2, I would assume that running /usr/sbin/base-config would help to revise the connections ?
06:22.47bob2Azar: no
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06:22.50bob2Azar: editing /etc/network/interfaces
06:22.50mrgenixusbritt: you can usually secure it with CHAP over ppp, or leave it unsecured and hope not to get war-dialed
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06:22.57brittmrgenixus: a backup system if you will....
06:22.59Azarthank you bob2
06:23.03mrgenixusbritt: ideally yes
06:23.05looneybird_77590hello
06:23.09caphusohileon: right. that's why you don't waste time with stupid meta questions like "does anyone know foo?" or "who can help me??!?"
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06:23.25mhalltcsetattr: No, I disagree. People are too clueless to think of their time as having value in the manner you claim.
06:23.30mrgenixusbritt: the best thing it that a serial connection require 0 network propcols by default, and only ppp when auth is required
06:23.33Cokedoes _anyone_ know how to ask a question? Any ideas? lol?
06:23.40toresbeI'm trying to back up a SCSI disk
06:23.43bob2I think it's especially amusing that you're now wasting your time on stupid meta discussions about meta questions
06:23.53toresbeAnd I did dd if=/dev/sda of=nd-hd-img1 bs=1M
06:23.54DrShadeHey gang - just wanted to give appreciation to the Debian community here for their help!  I'm out, take it easy fellas!
06:23.54hileondondelelcaro: you have not. "you just said that this is the way we are going to do it. if you don't like it, get lost."
06:23.58ke6isfCoke: What's a question? =^_^=
06:24.01mrgenixusbritt: you can alos do this if you have a second server by connecting a null-modem cable between them and then using minicom to connect to one from another
06:24.02toresbeand switched disks and if and of
06:24.11toresbebut now it won't boot from the copy
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06:24.25brittmrgenixus: that might work
06:24.25Langly2lspci
06:24.30jm_toresbe: reinstall boot loader
06:24.30mrgenixusbritt: you can EVEN do this over the internet by using a serial-over-ip device
06:24.31bob2hileon: do you honestly think you have any authority at all to rock up in some channel and insist the people who actually do the work change how they do it to suit you?
06:24.34peterShileon: bob2 has said it more than once, maybe you can eventually take the hint.  are you volunteering to help answer stupid user questions that aren't even clear until you probe the user two or three times?  if not, GO AWAY, YOU ARE ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACKING
06:24.35mhalltcsetattr: The reason they disregard FAQs, don't trim messages, etc. is because they DON'T FUCKING READ.
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06:25.08hileondondelelcaro and the rest: you have all been proven wrong. hang around for a while. you will see people coming in to ask q the way it should be. not the way you want them.
06:25.10mhalltcsetattr: They don't have patience and forethought and rationality.
06:25.11brittmrgenixus: is it possible to have a eth device on secondary mode, so then eth0 fails to get internet acess a eth1 will kick in with DHCP?
06:25.12dondelelcarohileon: I explained why we don't like questions like that: It wastes time and is pointless; if the question is on topic for #debian at all, someone will know or will know where the question will be best answered. Vague questions are a waste of our time.
06:25.13mrgenixusbritt: the downside of this whole conversation is that my knowledge of how to this pertainst to cisco routers rather than linux, and few people are going to have documented methods for setting all of this up
06:25.15looneybird_77590<------needs a bit of help here with debian installiation
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06:25.33dondelelcarohileon: regardless, this conversation is becoming rapidly pointless. Please take it elsewhere.
06:25.38mrgenixusbritt: maybe, but most likely, it's be better to have the address already leased by the other card
06:25.40zamolxeshileon: you know, once in a while every technical community has one of these incidents when this anonimous guy that never answered a question or sent a helpful mail starts bashing against the active members
06:25.41toresbejm_: uhm... the disk doesn't have a bootloader, and if it did, how would copying an entire disk not copy the bootloader as well?
06:25.42bob2I wonder if that's the Angel-SL idiot
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06:25.48caphusobob2: i think so
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06:26.08mhalltcsetattr: It's all done by reflex. They are babies. It doesn't work so right away they go whine.
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06:26.15jm_toresbe: it didn't? how do you expect to boot from it then?
06:26.17zamolxesit's not uncommon, we have one of this guy every two months or so in our LUG
06:26.29toresbejm_: the bootloader is in the computer ROM
06:26.36mhalltcsetattr: That's why proprietary software has such a foothold, there is an accountability loop so nobody needs to take responsibility for anything.
06:26.38toresbejm_: this isn't a Linux/UNIX disk, this is SINTRAN
06:26.41zamolxesstarts talking about high-level coruption and stuff liket hat :)
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06:26.46jm_toresbe: then why are you using the phrase "boot from it"?
06:26.49brittmrgenixus: well the only reason i want static IPs in the first place is that my server's IP keeps changing and I always have to remote admin the linksys router to change the virtual server info
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06:26.50mrgenixusbritt: you can even do equal-cost-path routing if you configure that properly, then if the interface drops, all the packets will be routed over the interface, and you can use the if-post-down scripts to tell it to call home for a checkup so you can correct whater the problem is
06:26.57mhall!tell looneybird_77590 about ask
06:27.01toresbejm_: Well, boot to it, pedant :P
06:27.07mrgenixusbritt: why is the ip dropping?
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06:27.21jm_toresbe: well hard to say, I take it this isn't a PC?
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06:27.34toresbejm_: yeah, it's a Norsk Data Nord-100
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06:27.37karma1quick question: How do I allow apache2 to pass through my firewall so outside clients can connect to the server
06:27.39rsshi, an off-topic query; How to change the monitor settings of a Sony Vaio PCG-F270 laptop? please enlighten me!
06:27.43mrgenixusbritt: and why is the machine not stayting available while using the static
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06:27.44brittmrgenixus: well my dad's office (the server place) has liek 6 computers that only work from office hours
06:27.47dondelelcarokarma1: that's really a question of your  firewall configuration
06:27.48mhalltcsetattr: If you want to get Linux working you have to take responsibility for your own crap.
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06:27.59dondelelcarokarma1: you need to forward port 80 to your apache2 box
06:28.01mhallmrgenixus: You having firewall setup issues?
06:28.03Cokekarma1: you need to make sure that your firewall does not drop nor reject for incoming on port 80
06:28.06mrgenixusbritt: sure. but what has this to do with your server?
06:28.12mrgenixusmhall: yes, can you help?
06:28.12Gneakarma1: the iptables howto up on www.tldp.org explains it
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06:28.17bob2karma1: (ubuntu does not have any firewall rules by default at all)
06:28.17mhallmrgenixus: There is actually a document for those things.
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06:28.23brittmrgenixus: leases only last a day so the available IP pool always changes
06:28.26mhallmrgenixus: It's called netfilter howto
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06:28.30zamolxeskarma1: /usr/share/doc/iptables/html
06:28.34mrgenixusbritt: so why isn't it set static?
06:28.35karma1ahh ty all
06:28.36toresbejm_: anyway, why isn't it making an exact copy?
06:28.41ke6isfYep.  It's Sunday.
06:28.41jm_toresbe: it is
06:28.44ke6isf!sunday
06:28.44mrgenixusmhall: does it cover setting the df bit?
06:28.44dpkgSunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
06:28.46Cokemhall: that's not true. if you want Debian to work, you have to. If you buy guarantees you shouldn't have to.
06:28.47zamolxeskarma1: it's really simple, easy to understand examples. rusty style
06:28.48toresbejm_: Obviously it isn't
06:28.49shingouzjm_: when toresbe asks a question you would be smart to make sure it is even something that is capable of running a present day o/s in the first place ;)
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06:28.58brittmrgenixus: I try that, but for some *unknown* reason the connection just dies
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06:29.04rssthe settings icons are on function keys but how to make to change them?
06:29.09mrgenixusbritt: have you checked the logs?
06:29.12toresbeshingouz: heheh, I'm doing the dd on a Linux bitty box
06:29.13brittmrgenixus: i cant get a console via ssh, telnet, ping it or anything
06:29.17mhallmrgenixus: I'm not totally sure about that but it's the best document I know of.
06:29.34mrgenixusbritt: pm me, I' need to do something else for 20 min or so
06:29.35brittmrgenixus: i havent, would that tell me whats going on?
06:29.36looneybird_77590???  please excuse me  first time on irc   what about   "ask" ??
06:29.37mhallCoke: Uh, unless you buy SuSE Enterprise or RHEL, good luck.
06:29.44shingouz1ask
06:29.47shingouz!ask
06:29.47dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
06:29.49brittmrgenixus: k
06:29.49Gnea!tell looneybird_77590 about ask
06:29.50jm_toresbe: it is, that's as exact as it'll go
06:29.56Azarbritt, I am also using a linksys with 4 IPs and it is going fine the difference is that I opted out of dhcp at installation and manually assigned the connection info..
06:29.58toresbejm_: Isn't there some significance to the bs number?
06:29.58mhallGnea: already did, he did not comprehend it
06:30.05mrgenixusmhall going to be around for a while?
06:30.07Gneamhall: it's sunday.
06:30.17DrShadeHey gang, sorry, back again with another question!  The monitor I currently use is a Dell fp2001 (I'd recommend aquiring one if possible, heh), but I have a spare 17 inch crt sitting around - how much trouble is it getting dual-monitor support goin?  9700 pro video card.
06:30.19Cokemhall: there's plenty of Linux kernels in working condition in a lot of embedded HW, PDA's and cellphones.
06:30.22mhallmrgenixus: Yeah I think.
06:30.29mhallCoke: Knock it off.
06:30.36mhallCoke: Now you're just trolling.
06:30.36mrgenixusmhall: reading howto
06:30.44mhallCoke: I'm talking about the installation process.
06:30.49bob2DrShade: depends on whether X knows how to make the hardware do it
06:30.53Cokemhall: I don't like the misconception that Linux requires a lot of work from the end-user.
06:30.53GneaDrShade: not sure how easy on an ati, but cake on an nvidia (and i have the same mobo)
06:30.56brittAzar: hmm....the only thing I could see happening is that the dhcp daemon running and messing with my IP somehow...
06:30.56mhallCoke: Not about using random device X, Y, and/or Z.
06:31.00bob2DrShade: looking on linux-laptop.net would probably make it clear
06:31.04Azarbob2, strange thing is that changing an IP address in etc/network/interfaces it did not work: I still keep the old IP address for some reasons I have no idea..
06:31.08mhallCoke: I'm actually glad it requires a lot of work from end-users.
06:31.08jm_toresbe: shouldn't matter in this case, did you use default?
06:31.12looneybird_77590ahh ok
06:31.16brittAzar: but i won't know for sure until like next weekend or the weekend after
06:31.17mhallCoke: If it were up to me computers would be harder to use.
06:31.22toresbejm_: No, I specified 1M
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06:31.24Cokemhall: but Linux doesn't. Debian does.
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06:31.31mhallGnea: What does Sunday have to do with it?
06:31.32jm_toresbe: did it report an error at the end?
06:31.33Cokemhall: I agree with you.
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06:31.39bob2Azar: just editing it is not enough, of course
06:31.44Gnealooneybird_77590: in other words, just throw your problem onto the table, someone will likely help
06:31.45mhallCoke: If you want it to work _right_ it takes a lot of work regardless of distro.
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06:31.51Cokemhall: if people were as lax with driving as with computing we wouldn't need a drivers license at all.
06:31.53Azarbob2, ah what am I missing then?
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06:31.54Gnea!tell mhall about sunday
06:31.56brittmhall: if it were up to me everybody would be running debian
06:31.59mhallCoke: Yes they have magic default configurations but they are ugly and hacky.
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06:32.14toresbejm_: no...
06:32.14bob2Azar: sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
06:32.14mhallGnea: lol! Why Sunday in particular?
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06:32.20Gneabritt: i'm so glad it's not up to you ;)
06:32.21bob2Azar: and I hope you physical access to it
06:32.26Azarthank you lots, bob2
06:32.29Gneamhall: i don't know :)
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06:32.42Mugsy_How come some of my programs dont have icons and they are suppost to, they just show the default icon when I put them on my desktop
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06:32.44DrShadeGnea, what is the basic process?  Could I possibly get it up and running with a X reconfig?
06:32.47mhallGnea: If we knew it probably would not be happening so damn much eh?
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06:32.56jm_toresbe: well maybe you were just lucky then, but it really doesn't matter, you can compare md5sum-s
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06:33.14DrShadeWhy am I thinking I should possibly invest in an nvidia card, heh.
06:33.16brittGnea: why? you a win guy?
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06:33.32GneaDrShade: well i had it running once (i just have to get new monitors to get it again right) so i had to edit my X config by hand, searched google for certain key words
06:33.34CokeDrShade: you can get your radeon to work, but you should use the free drivers to do it.
06:33.38Azarbob2, yes, I do.
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06:33.55Gneabritt: i like to win with linux, sure
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06:34.20CokeDrShade: I've heard nothing but cursing when it comes to the ATI Linux drivers from ATI. the R300 drivers from XFree86 works fine with 2D acceleration, that is what you need.
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06:34.38toresbejm_: no, I can't
06:34.45brittGnea: just givin you a hard time
06:34.51toresbejm_: the disk I dd'd to is bigger than the one I did it from
06:34.58Gneabritt: i know, it's all good :)
06:35.02britt:)
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06:35.26jm_toresbe: that's what "count" is for
06:35.31DrShadeI'm doing to do some work and try and get the thing working, thanks for the info (once again again) :)
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06:35.53toresbejm_: it would be subject to the same problems
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06:36.12toresbeI'd be comparing to erroneous copies
06:36.23jm_toresbe: uhm no
06:36.35brittAzar: got any ideas?
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06:36.57brittAzar: i'm at a loss here, and i'm getting *REALLY* pissed off here.
06:37.02toresbejm_: what significance does bs have, anyway?
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06:37.37brittAzar: the router is an ancient router, I know that my WRT54G does IP assignments according to MAC addresses, so that makes things very easy
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06:38.11tcsetattrif you copy with a block size that's too small, you'll lose speed due to the overhead of the individual reads and writes. If you use a block size that's too big, you'll lose speed due to swapping
06:38.12Mugsy_Is it posible to refresh the KDE quick menu?
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06:38.33jm_toresbe: it will read that many bytes at a time (and write)
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06:38.52toresbejm_: how can that affect the end result?
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06:39.49tcsetattrbs= doesn't affect the end result, except in cases like tape drives in which you have to read in the correct block size.
06:39.51jm_toresbe: like I said, it shouldn't matter with "modern" disks
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06:40.14toresbejm_: this disk is from between '85 and '88
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06:40.25Azarbritt, the only idea I had is to revise the type of connection from dhcp to fixed IP but ofcourse I have not idea of your network topology
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06:40.31jm_toresbe: but it's SCSI?
06:40.41toresbejm_: yes
06:40.45tcsetattrthe kernel has its own buffer cache anyway, so any block device is not really getting reads of the size you requested anyway.
06:40.47jm_toresbe: then I think you're OK
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06:41.42Azarbritt, I have no idea what /usr/sbin/base-config will lead you to but that is recommended when you want to redo/revisit the setup process
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06:42.20brittAzar:  iNet->Biz DSL->BEFSR41W->Realtek 10/100 card
06:42.27tcsetattris there a guarantee that your weird OS is willing to be moved to another disk? what if it's checking the hard drive serial nubmer? or using the disk size in some stupid way causing it to fail on a bigger disk?
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06:42.54jm_and more importantly, will hardware gracefully accept a different disk?
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06:43.03mhalltoresbe: wtf OS is this
06:43.04Azarofcourse like bob2 recommended, /etc/network/interfaces would be the way but I am not so expert in fixing problems at that level
06:43.12toresbemhall: SINTRAN III/VSX 500 Rev. K
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06:44.13toresbetcsetattr: Well, the last two I think are false, given that the original disk was itself copied from a 125MB disk
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06:44.26toresbetcsetattr: in a raw-copy thingie
06:44.59toresbetcsetattr: because the 300 MB disk still thinks it's 125 MB
06:45.49tcsetattrif you're still using an OS install from the mid-80's, it must be some kind of obscure high-priced business requirement... so call tech support already.
06:46.00toresbetcsetattr: It's a hobby :)
06:46.10toresbetcsetattr: the company went bankrupt in '92
06:46.26jm_no, the disk knows it's 300MB, the OS might notice only 125MB is used
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06:46.38Azarbritt, if you need to revisit your settings here is some reference guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html
06:46.44mhalltoresbe: _what_ is it?
06:47.11toresbejm_: The disk knows it's 300MB but the OS only knows about the first 125MB because that's what the part table tells it about :)
06:47.14mhallthere are only 900 hits in google
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06:47.21hiroki_x
06:47.23mhallthat's got to be one RARE fucking operating system
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06:47.33toresbemhall: wasn't that rare in the 80s
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06:47.48mhalltoresbe: what is it being used for in your case
06:47.53hiroki_hello. would someone tell me where is the kernel installed by default on debian?
06:47.54toresbemhall: was very popular in Norway and some other European places, like CERN
06:48.01jm_toresbe: well it might or might now, I'd say something is confusing it - does this thing have any tool that will let you know if it detects the disk at all?
06:48.14toresbejm_: nope.
06:48.19jm_toresbe: tough luck then
06:48.20toresbejm_: I'm getting  an ND guru in later
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06:48.48toresbemhall: Tim Berners-Lee wrote his first prototype of the WWW on an ND machine running SINTRAN III, he called it ENQUIRE
06:48.48hiroki_...anyone?
06:48.58toresbehiroki_: /boot?
06:49.16mhalltoresbe: alright and what do you need it for
06:49.19toresbemhall:
06:49.21toresbeoops
06:49.25toresbemhall: Mostly hobbyist
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06:49.57toresbemhall: But I'm one of the founders of the Norwegian Computer History Society
06:50.09shingouzmhall: he is a geek... just like the rest of us. we run computers because they are fun :)
06:50.10toresbemhall: And SINTRAN had a very innovative database system called SIBAS
06:50.25toresbemhall: I'd love to be able to have the membership database on this machine :)
06:50.51toresbemhall: http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe
06:50.53toresbeoops
06:50.58toresbemhall: http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~toresbe/nd
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06:51.12mhalltoresbe: that would be pretty hilarious i agree
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06:51.25fireba11good morning everyone
06:51.31mhallshingouz: right I understand as much
06:51.33toresbemorn' fireba11
06:51.35tcsetattrif you really don't think dd did its job, cmp the disks
06:51.44hiroki_this wireless card program asks me for it. I tried boot and it said this:
06:51.45mhallshingouz: I'm not meaning to say that he should not use Sintran.
06:51.47hiroki_Linux source tree /boot is incomplete or missing!
06:51.49toresbetcsetattr: how?
06:51.53mhallshingouz: I was just curious what he was doing with it.
06:51.58toresbehiroki_: uh
06:52.02shingouzhiroki_: what are you tryig to do?
06:52.05mhallshingouz: Because I wondered what it was for and I did not even know it existed.
06:52.09toresbehiroki_: that's not where the source lives
06:52.12kenboohiroki_, src wa /usr/src/linux
06:52.20toresbekenboo: :)
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06:53.12mhalltoresbe: what do you do about the y2k issue
06:53.27toresbemhall: Apparently, there's been written a patch
06:53.28jm_toresbe: I told you, dd + md5sum
06:53.47toresbejm_: cmp is the tool I need to use
06:53.58jm_toresbe: same shit
06:54.00toresbeit tells me where the difference is
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06:54.31toresbemhall: the database produces the most hilarious result when I try to start it
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06:54.49toresbe>>START
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06:54.56toresbeCURRENT TIME IS BEFORE CURRENT R-LOG BLOCK OR YEAR IS > 2000,
06:54.56toresbePLEASE UPDATE THE CLOCK AND TRY AGAIN...
06:55.00toresbeSIBAS-SYS-NO:   2,  SIBAS STATE: READY
06:55.07fireba11got a question about VNC: i need a VNC with KDE ... under KDE i woill run VMware so i need it configured that the KDE stays open even if i close the VNC connection .. how do i do that ?
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06:55.26toresbe"The clock shows a year over 2000, please repair the clock and try again" :)
06:55.27MadeyeHi, I think i'm in dependency hell, I'm not able to install x-common, libxau6, libdxmcp6 together while all depends on each other
06:55.29Madeyeplease advise
06:55.31jon_is_tiredThere's no reason KDE should close.
06:55.49jon_is_tiredYou might want to check your /etc/apt/sources.list
06:56.04jon_is_tiredMake sure it has proper repositories.
06:56.06jon_is_tiredThen do
06:56.08jon_is_tiredapt-get update
06:56.11johnWhat is the "debian" way to generate a fluxbox menu.
06:56.12hiroki_toresbe, where the linux source is?
06:56.13fireba11jon_is_tired: with Xvnc the user loggs of and thus closes the VMware ...
06:56.20Madeyeok lemme try it
06:56.21Madeyethank you
06:56.25ke6isf!tell jon_is_tired -about enter
06:56.30toresbehiroki_: source wa /usr/src/linux
06:56.46ke6isfjon_is_tired: You know, when you type like that, you make me think that you talk like William Shatner.
06:56.47toresbehiroki_: demo, you need to install a kernel-source package
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06:56.52kenboohiroki apt-get install kernel-source
06:56.52toresbehiroki_: what are you trying to do?
06:57.00looneybird_77590I just installed debian-sarge 3.1 net install with floppies  ( several times now )  the default kernel that was installed is 2.4.xx i havent done anything except to go into the xf86config-4 file and add 1024x768 for the screen resolution. I still need to install the  ALSA package and NVIDIA package. do i have to do that before i make another attempt at trying to install-upgrade to a 2.6.8 kernel?
06:57.04kenbootoresbe, he's trying to compile wlan driver, i guess
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06:57.10TraceGreenHello, i use debian linux, my friend use WindowsXP, he wants to chat with me through internet, which tool can i use? any idea?
06:57.16toresbekenboo: he might be interested in doing it the Debian way
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06:57.23toresbeTraceGreen: over msn?
06:57.26toresbeTraceGreen: apt-get install gaim
06:57.36toresbeTraceGreen: that's a fairly popular MSN client
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06:57.41hiroki_i'm trying to configure my usb wireless adapter with this 'Linux WLAN Configuration Script'
06:57.41ke6isflooneybird_77590: No, but why didn't you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to configure X?
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06:57.44peterSlooneybird_77590: both alsa and your closed-source nvidia drivers are dependent on your kernel version.  so I'd upgrade to 2.6.8 first if I were you
06:57.44Azarlooneybird_77590, you will need first to upgrade your kernel then take care of X and sound
06:58.00TraceGreentoresbe, can linux use msn's audio?
06:58.11hiroki_toresbe, it asks me for Linux source directory
06:58.50toresbeTraceGreen: oh, that kind of chat
06:58.55toresbeTraceGreen: I don't think so
06:59.02toresbeTraceGreen: they're working on it, though
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06:59.10Guerinhiroki_: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and tell it /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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06:59.19ErpoHey all. I just got a new laptop and I want to debianize it. The problem is that the kernel doesn't have a driver for my network card so I can't get testing on there with the netboot iso. Any suggestions?
06:59.30ke6isf!tell Erpo -about laptop
06:59.46TraceGreentoresbe, thanks, i want to use a tool to chat with my friend by audio.
06:59.46hiroki_Guerin: ok, i'll try that. thanks
07:00.01TraceGreentoresbe, anyway, thanks very much.
07:00.02toresbeTraceGreen: ...you could install skype
07:00.08toresbeTraceGreen: or gnome-meeting
07:00.10GuerinErpo: no other network card you can use? USB? PCMCIA? Otherwise you might just take the HDD out and install thataway.
07:00.20toresbeTraceGreen: yeah, gnome-meeting would allow you to chat with Windows' NetMeeting
07:00.34looneybird_77590i am new to the linux system have to learn the ways.
07:00.38TraceGreentoresbe, really? i will have a try!!
07:00.42ErpoGuerin: No, there are no other network cards I can use, and I don't want to take the hdd out just yet. Is there a cd/dvd snapshot of the latest testing?
07:00.54GuerinErpo: probably. What card is it?
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07:02.01ErpoIt's a Marvell 10/100/1000 adapter. The driver in the kernel for it is too old.
07:02.16TraceGreentoresbe, BTW, both my friend and i are using virtual ip, in other word, we are in two different LAN, can gnomemeeting and netmeeting chat in that way?
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07:02.30toresbeTraceGreen: oh
07:02.36toresbeTraceGreen: I don't think it's too happy about that
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07:02.44toresbeTraceGreen: you should get Skype
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07:02.53looneybird_77590ok any way what is proper procedure to installt the 2.6.xxx kernel? the last time around i usedthe synaptic package manager
07:02.57TraceGreentoresbe, oh~~~. yeah, i may try to use skype.
07:03.08ErpoI'm thinking about just installing sarge from physical media and apt-get dist-upgrade'ing to testing from there, but there are _THREE_ dvds of software for Sarge.
07:03.21bob2looneybird_77590: then do that
07:03.27toresbeErpo: you will probably only need the first DVD
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07:03.32toresbeErpo: LIke, ever :P
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07:03.48mhalltoresbe: how ironic
07:04.04ErpoWhat's on the other two?
07:04.04mhalltoresbe: It would have worked OK if they just ignored years beyond 2000.
07:04.13mhalltoresbe: They put in a special check to break it.
07:04.17mhalltoresbe: That's pretty stupid.
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07:04.46litageif i use phpldapadmin via https to play with slapd, is there any benefit to using ldaps rather than ldap?
07:05.09GuerinErpo: only the first one will really be necessary
07:05.15bob2do you trust the network between the web server and the ldap server?
07:05.44ErpoI'll give it a shot. I'm having trouble finding a download link for the sarge dvds, though.
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07:06.07looneybird_77590last time i did i got several errors on boot up and the kernel wouldnt mount  system ran on on some sort of local host kernel
07:06.09GuerinErpo: but you'll need to get a kernel source and patch for your network if you want to use it.
07:06.21GuerinErpo: cdimage.d.o?
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07:07.53toresbemhall: not really
07:07.54hiroki_Guerin, it didn't worked
07:08.06Guerin!didn't work
07:08.07dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
07:08.17Gueringhare you sure your
07:08.19Guerinbah
07:08.20hiroki_sorry, didn't work
07:08.43Guerinhiroki_: are you sure your card is actually supported by linux? AIUI, most WUSB aren't
07:08.51toresbemhall: rather it stop working than thrash the DB, no?\
07:08.53ke6isflooneybird_77590: Proper procedure for installing kernel would be 'apt-get install kernel-image-n.n.n-n-arch', where n.n.n-n is the version, and -arch is...well, the arch (read: processor type).
07:08.57Guerinhiroki_: ENODATA
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07:09.12hiroki_Guerin: what's ENODATA?
07:09.19Guerinhiroki_: error; no data
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07:09.27grotonhello all
07:09.33Guerinhiroki_: in other words: TELL US WHAT DOESN'T WORK
07:09.41Guerinand in precisely what manner
07:09.43Guerinetc.
07:09.47toresbemhall: It correctly anticipates that SINTRAN, the OS, would just refuse to change the year field past 2000
07:10.06toresbemhall: and it would look like changes were being made before the last access log entry
07:10.31toresbemhall: which would create a DB inconsitancy (sp?) which could have disastrous results
07:11.08hiroki_Guerin: ok. i try to use this WLAN Configuration Script and it asks me for the Linux source directory
07:11.18SyedAzar, I tried your suggestion and it worked..thanks a lot
07:11.34hiroki_Guerin: this: Linux source directory [/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build]:
07:11.41ke6isflooneybird_77590: Once you've installed the kernel, reboot and select in grub.  If it doesn't work, something bad happened.
07:11.41Azargood to know it worked Syed
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07:11.47grotonyesterday night i recompiled the kernel, and i noticed that the modules under the drivers/ directory were not built. anyone know what could be the cause? maybe i set something wrong in the menuconfig settings?
07:11.57Guerin!wayc groton
07:11.58dpkggroton: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?
07:12.09Azarlooneybird_77590, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-newkernel
07:12.21hiroki_Guerin: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386 won't work and I don't know where the Linux source is
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07:12.50hiroki_Guerin: it says this: Linux source tree /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build is incomplete or missing!
07:12.53Guerinhiroki_: you didn't do what I told you
07:12.58hiroki_yes I did
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07:13.33Guerinhiroki_: you told it to look in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) for a source tree?
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07:13.57hiroki_Guerin: yes. Linux source directory [/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build]: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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07:14.06grotondpkg: because i needed to create a custom kernel
07:14.19grotonGuerin: dpkg is not a bot, right? :)
07:14.23hiroki_Guerin: Linux source tree /usr/src/linux-headers-2.4.27-2-386 is incomplete or missing!
07:14.23timgoh0groton: dpkg is a bot.
07:14.29Guerinhiroki_: you did one or the other. Please tell me which.
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07:14.53grotontimgoh0: i see
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07:15.02tcsetattrhe actually typed $(uname -r) at some prompt in a script that did not interpret it.
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07:15.13Guerinhrm
07:15.16Guerinthat might be it
07:15.22mrgenixusdah! anybody using a linux-router for pppoe and fixed the mtu problem and can point out how to do it?  I'd prefer to fix it on the ourter if I can
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07:15.29Guerinhiroki_: did you verify that the dir exists?
07:15.29hiroki_Guerin: first I tried with /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386, it didn't work, then i tried with /usr/src/linux-headers-2.4.27-2-386
07:15.34tcsetattrit will be an amazing stroke of luck if hiroki_ actually gets an out-of-tree module to work
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07:15.59hiroki_Guerin: no... let me see
07:16.35hiroki_Guerin: no... it doesn't exists
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07:16.54Guerinhiroki_: does ANYTHING exist in /usr/src ?
07:17.02Azarstupid question here , I am looking at my /boot content and I see coffee.bmp, debian.bmp sarge.bmp and sid.bmp .... whatever coffee means?
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07:17.17hiroki_Guerin: no. it's empty
07:17.18Guerin!dict coffee
07:17.20dpkgDictionary 'coffee' (4 of 7): 2. The coffee tree. ;; They have in Turkey a drink called coffee. . . . This drink comforteth the brain and heart, and helpeth digestion.                    --Bacon. ;; Note: The use of coffee is said to have been introduced into England about 1650, when coffeehouses were opened in Oxford and London. ;; 3. The beverage made from the roasted and ground berry..
07:17.42Azar:) Guerin I am sure I havent spilled coffee inside my machine
07:17.53Guerin!info linux-headers-2.4.27-2-386 sarge
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07:18.03Guerinoh
07:18.11Guerinthat package doesn't exist
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07:18.35hiroki_Guerin: so... what should I do?
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07:18.40Guerinthey changed kernel-image-* to linux-image-*, but that's only in > sarge
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07:18.44wamI need the packages util-vserver-0.30.208-x for sarge, but there's no backport (except anyone knows one?). So I will compile it myself. But I'd love to have it under package-management. I remember there was a simple program which took over the "make install" and created a .deb-file. But I can't remember its name. Can you? ;)
07:19.09Guerinhiroki_: do the same thing I told you earlier, but with kernel-headers instead of linux-headers
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07:19.24Guerin!tell wam about simple sid backport
07:19.38grotonGuerin: out of curiosity, why should i use apt-get?
07:19.42TwistedEmotionsI am looking for a file name called final fantasy or something like that... how do I search ALL my driver... in EVERY folder for files/folders called "final"?
07:19.48hiroki_Guerin: ok, thanks
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07:19.56jm_TwistedEmotions: info find
07:19.57wamGuerin: good idea. thanks.
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07:20.03timgoh0TwistedEmotions: See locate.
07:20.05jm_twise;man locate
07:20.10Gueringroton: because you don't want to fuck shit up?
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07:20.24TwistedEmotionsjm_: I read like first 2 minutes of find and then I was like fuck this..
07:20.29Azar,./boot/coffee.bmp is a binary file .. hmm
07:20.33grotonGuerin: that way i would not use linux at all :P
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07:20.58Gueringroton: well, not kernel.org linux, I'll give you that.
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07:21.15GuerinAzar: maybe ... a bitmap?
07:21.18TwistedEmotionsthe locate command isnt searching all the drives is it?
07:21.19Guerinjust an idea
07:21.29mrgenixusTwistedEmotions: sure it is
07:21.30GuerinTwistedEmotions: it's searching your locatedb
07:21.33Guerinno
07:21.39mrgenixusTwistedEmotions: have you run updatedb recently?
07:21.43Guerinlocate doesn't search drives at all, for any reason
07:21.51timgoh0TwistedEmotions: Do updatedb first.
07:21.53AzarGuerin, that would make sense, but then again debian.bmp, sarge.bmp would be like... hmm images?
07:22.17GuerinAzar: you'd think so, eh.
07:22.20TwistedEmotionskk... and that will add all the drives to the index file or whatever..?
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07:22.32GuerinTwistedEmotions: be prepared to wait a long time
07:22.41Azarinteresting, hey thanks for the hint Guerin
07:22.48mrgenixusTwistedEmotions: what do you mean by "Drives"
07:22.51tcsetattrAzar, LILO can be used in a graphical mode... where it presents the boot menu on a background containing, for example, the debian logo. That's probably what those are.
07:22.51ke6isfTwistedEmotions: You're thinking multiple file systems.  Stop that.  This is Linux.
07:22.52zamolxeslol, i didn't knew of locate -r . cool, stupid me was using grep for fine tuning :|
07:22.57TwistedEmotionscause I have two drives loaded "/media/c" "media/d" ... they are windows drivers..
07:23.04TwistedEmotions*drives
07:23.05mrgenixusTwistedEmotions: I have to tell you, I didn't think I'd ever see that in this channel
07:23.05ke6isfTwistedEmotions: We don't think in 'drives', we think in directories.
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07:23.24TwistedEmotionsErrr... then will it add those two directories?
07:23.26Azartcsetattr, :) that makes much sense, thanks
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07:23.33GuerinTwistedEmotions: are they directories?
07:23.36TwistedEmotionsmrgenixus: see what in this channel?
07:23.39ke6isfTwistedEmotions: It will search and add them if they are mounted.
07:23.44mrgenixusTwistedEmotions: "Drives"
07:24.03mrgenixusI use a Filesystem, Buddy, Drives are far to specific for me...
07:24.08TwistedEmotionsGuerin: I have mounted two of my hard drives to the locations in media..
07:24.16mrgenixusTwistedEmotions: perhaps you meant partitions
07:24.21GuerinTwistedEmotions: so you keep saying.
07:24.26mrgenixusTwistedEmotions: or block devices?
07:24.32tcsetattralthough I don't know why there would be a picture of coffee.
07:24.32TwistedEmotionsokay...
07:24.33TwistedEmotionshahaha
07:24.34ke6isfmrgenixus: No, a 'drive' is a device that is the size of two decks of card that has these spinnign platters....
07:24.41TwistedEmotionsIll simplify it..
07:24.55mrgenixuske6isf: yes? I think I'v eheard OF them, yes, I seem to recall...
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07:25.17mrgenixuske6isf: My point is that I tend to deal with the word drives when refering to... hardware failure, or instalation
07:25.26ke6isfmrgenixus: Of course, if you come from the Microsoft side, a 'drive' is an identifier for a volume or partition, which is, of course, counterintuitive. =^^=
07:25.28TwistedEmotionsMaster Primary is mounted to.. "/media/c" Master Secondary is mounted to "/media/d"
07:25.29mrgenixuske6isf: not really even when discussing my fstab
07:25.33ke6isfmrgenixus: Indeed.
07:25.56GuerinTwistedEmotions: you STILL think you're mounting the raw device ... not a partition? Really?
07:25.56mrgenixuske6isf: you know whick is the system partion in windows , and the boot aprtion (acording to microsoft?)
07:25.58TwistedEmotionsSlave Secondary is my linux drive...
07:26.00ke6isfTwistedEmotions: If that's the case, then yes, updatedb will search and index those trees.
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07:26.12MustangMattcat /dev/hda
07:26.12mhallah nothing beats a properly build kernel.org kernel
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07:26.16ke6isfmrgenixus: Not really, since I make it a point to know as little as possible about Windows.
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07:26.32mrgenixuske6isf: but you'll think this is funny...
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07:26.58TwistedEmotionsGuerin: uhhh... to mount I just followed the directions to mount a windows drive in there... I just referred to them as Master Primary and Master Secondary to prevent confusion... I duess it didnt work.
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07:27.02Slippymhall: a hurd does ;)
07:27.04mrgenixuske6isf: the system partition is the one that has been formatted system, the one that contains ntloader, boot.ini et.al.
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07:27.28mrgenixuske6isf: the boot partition contains %systemroot% typically c:\windows
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07:27.48mrgenixuske6isf: now where do you suppose you keep system files? boot files?
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07:27.57rik_Hello all.  I was wondering what people did regarding mouting their home directory in a chroot's home directory?  I presume that mounting (--bind) /home/user at /chroot/home/user would be a really BAD idea?
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07:28.32mrgenixuske6isf: do you want to talk about counter intuitive?
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07:28.41bob2rik_: depends how careful you are
07:28.46ojpdhellooooooo
07:28.49bob2rik_: if you bind mount it, a fuck up and it's gone
07:28.55bob2ojpd: you are not using Debian, go away
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07:28.58mhallGuerin: what's the point of kernel header packages
07:29.03ojpdcan anybody help me configure my dial up modem
07:29.04TwistedEmotionsthe updatedb command worked... and it added both 'partitions' or whatever... ;( But I still cant find the freaking file.. I think I must have deleted it.. that sucks.
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07:29.06ojpdIm using ubuntu
07:29.09mhallGuerin: why not just give out linux source trees
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07:29.16ojpdbut Im on xp now coz i cant get my modem to work with ubuntu
07:29.23ke6isfmrgenixus: You're starting to make my brain hurt...
07:29.25mhallSlippy: nah, hurd is teh sux
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07:29.30mhallSlippy: doesn't even have decent drivers
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07:29.40ke6isfojpd: #ubuntu is over there --->  Have a nice evening.
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07:29.57Guerinmhall: size(headers) < size(source)
07:29.59mhallSlippy: and those it does have were hijacked from linux 2.0
07:30.09Guerinmhall: and they do the same job when it comes to building standalone modules
07:30.09mhallGuerin: so what? the difference is small and disks are huge
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07:30.16looneybird_77590ok i am back.  had to go let a tenent into their room here.    ok aside from doing apt-get on kernel image do i need to do the same for kernel (source-tree-header-docs and patch) at the same time
07:30.19Guerinmhall: bandwidth is not huge
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07:30.33rik_bob2: good answer, thanks.  I suppose I could _copy_ my stable home directory to my chroot's home directories, for example to migrate to using evolution from unstable for example?
07:30.39mhallEclipser: *sob*
07:30.51Eclipserkind of sucks
07:30.54ke6isflooneybird_77590: You don't really need to.  Whatever comes in with kernel-image is what you need, though kernel-header couldn't really hurt.
07:30.57bob2rik_: yes
07:31.01Eclipsernow I can't get it fixed before I get home from work
07:31.03bob2rik_: it depends on the reaso nyou're using a chroot
07:31.17EclipserI hope I have that knoppix cd somewhere...
07:31.20mhallrik_: amd64 stuff or what?
07:31.30mhallEclipser: burn one before leaving
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07:31.47EclipserI don't have a cd burner here
07:31.48hiroki_Guerin: it worked, thanks
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07:32.08mhallEclipser: damn our corp laptops had those
07:32.12Eclipser:)
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07:32.34Eclipserwell I just efficiently ruined my day
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07:32.35rik_bob2, Thanks.  I'm not developing, or running amd64.  I just want a stable system with some unstable stuff.  I know about apt-pinning and run a stable/testing root and an unstable/experimental chroot.  Just for kicks really.
07:32.45mhallEclipser: wtf did you do to the bo
07:32.48mhallEclipser: box?
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07:33.04bob2rik_: fair enough
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07:33.17looneybird_77590ok will give it another try.  will be back after a bit.  have to pull the internet cable from thii pc and switch to other
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07:33.24Mugsy_Okay, in KDE, I have all of my icons, but some programs are not associated with their icons, I have to click on the desktop file, go to properties and select the icon for that program, is there a way to fix them all instead of fixing each individually?
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07:33.28bob2rik_: I find that I only really care about a few things really being in my home dir (shell and mutt config, really), so I just copy them
07:33.28josaalThe helpers here are getting more and more arrogant. Their attitude is that they are doing voluntary work; sacrificing themselves for the good of others. Therefore this should put them on a morally high ground and they should not be questioned in anyway or on any matter. They can defy common sense, they can be silly. But they just cannot be criticised. No one has the right to tell them what...
07:33.30josaal...to do even if they are obviously wrong. Take the case of people asking questions. They specify how questions should be asked. A more stupid trait is to ask questioners to "google for it". They think there is only one search engine in this world or they want to make it that way. Stupid, isn't it. In the first place there is Linux because people do not want to have only one choice in OS....
07:33.31Eclipsermhall, somehow, oddly, chmod -x 'd root system instead of the directory I was in... I still can't see the error in the command >.<
07:33.31josaal...And these fools can't reason along this line.
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07:33.43Guerin!beer bob2
07:33.50bob2josaal: I'll be telling lilo you're evading your ban again
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07:34.08Eclipsermhall, now I can't login because /bin/bash isn't executable :D
07:34.27mhallEclipser: hmm that _is_ an interesting one
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07:34.31mhallEclipser: but you can fix it!
07:34.38mhallEclipser: sftp into the box and chmod bash
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07:34.51Eclipsersftp... mmh
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07:34.55Eclipserlet's try
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07:35.13mhallEclipser: i assume your sftp works because your ssh probably worked to get into the box in the first place
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07:35.43psyclipsequestion plssssssssssssssss
07:35.54Gnea!pls
07:35.54dpkgCud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron.
07:35.56jon_is_tiredAsk away.
07:36.04jon_is_tiredHa ha ha go dpkg :).
07:36.06rik_bob2, I would like to get into developing.  Do you?  I have done some pascal & fortran at uni, but I think I want to learn C. Also, I think I would like to develop my own mobile phone app (again, for kicks).  I beleive J2ME is what I need to look into.
07:36.12psyclipsewhat is the best linux for pentium II processor
07:36.21Eclipsermhall, the damage seems more broad :p
07:36.24Gneapsyclipse: linux.
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07:36.29Guerinpsyclipse: one that's build tof 686
07:36.31jon_is_tiredwww.ubuntulinux.org
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07:36.43Guerinjon_is_tired: please to not be spamming
07:36.46mhallEclipser: what did you do?
07:36.50EclipserCould not chdir to home directory /home/eclipser: Permission denied
07:36.50Eclipser/bin/bash: Permission denied
07:36.50EclipserFatal: unable to initialise SFTP: could not connect
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07:36.57bob2rik_: I'm a programmer, yeah...learning C isn't too hard, but I don't know of any better books than K&R.  don't know much about java
07:37.01mhallEclipser: go in as root
07:37.05GuerinEclipser: as root?
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07:37.14EclipserI've disabled root login though :<
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07:37.36mhallEclipser: now you know why i don't do that
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07:37.42Eclipser:)
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07:37.56Eclipserwell I can fix it with the knoppix cd when I get back :p
07:37.59mhallEclipser: the chances are infinitely much higher i'll screw myself than i'll save myself from anything
07:38.07Eclipser:)
07:38.15mhallEclipser: let's see
07:38.29mhallEclipser: any other services?
07:38.37psyclipsemy soundcard doesnt supported..how to update it
07:38.44Eclipserapache says permission denied too
07:38.45Guerinpsyclipse: what card?
07:38.46mhallEclipser: you could download your password file, change your shell to sh, and reupload your password file
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07:39.00rik_bob2:  which IDE could you recommend for a beginner please?
07:39.12Guerinrik_: emacs
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07:39.21Eclipsernah, I'll see to it once I get back, I have some work to do
07:39.22ke6isfIDE?
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07:39.33Guerini know, I'm not bob2, but he won't recommend emacs, and someone needs to
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07:39.48rik_bob2:  I think you misheard me, I said beginner! :)
07:39.51Guerinke6isf: name one thing an ide can do that emacs can't
07:40.01bob2rik_: anjuta?
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07:40.11mhallEclipser: I think I've another idea.
07:40.12bob2I've used emacs almost the whole time I've used linux
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07:40.21Guerinrik_: as a beginner is the best time to learn emacs
07:40.22looneybird_775901 more ???  have intel celeron processor 333mhz  shows here 2 choices  2.6-386  2.6-686   i assume that 386 is for older pc and that i want 686?
07:40.30mhallEclipser: Try using ssh but running a command with it, like regular /bin/sh
07:40.34Guerinlooneybird_77590: 686
07:40.38bob2looneybird_77590: 686 will work
07:41.03looneybird_77590thought so  ok be back in a few
07:41.03mhallEclipser: and remember if you disable root, you are better off just changing the name of the user
07:41.04jimlooneybird_77590: 386 should work on just about anything (if that matters to you)
07:41.08tcsetattrthe thing to do is to repeat to yourself: "UNIX _is_ the IDE", until you understand
07:41.18mhalltcsetattr: ?
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07:41.48rik_Guerin, OK then, I'll learn emacs.  Have learned how to interface with mc, lynx, aptitude and nano, It can't be that bad :/
07:41.50tcsetattrmhall, ssh with command is going to use sh -c ...
07:41.52jimtcsetattr: self-mind-control? :)
07:42.03mhalltcsetattr: but not a big issue
07:42.09mhalltcsetattr: _bash_ is what's broke
07:42.10Guerinrik_: that's the spirit. Do the tutorial first.
07:42.20mhalltcsetattr: plan sh is a separate binary that i think was not affected
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07:42.30mhalltcsetattr: but he never said quite exactly what the error was
07:42.39mhalltcsetattr: s/error/cause of the error/
07:42.44Guerinmhall: um, /bin/sh should be a symlink to /bin/bash on debian
07:42.46jimrik_: emacs has some cool features that might be of use to you
07:42.53mhallGuerin: hmm
07:42.58tcsetattroh, I thought I was the only one here whose /bin/sh is not bash.
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07:43.14Guerinmhall: dash or ash might be a better option - i think both those are defaultly installed
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07:43.30Guerinthough i may be wrong
07:43.34mhallGuerin: damn i guess i never noticed that because it behaves differently when called as sh
07:43.43mhallGuerin: no the problem is he made bash not executable
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07:43.55mhallGuerin: so cannot log in to fix the box to use another shell
07:43.57Guerinmhall: it does ...?
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07:44.14mhallGuerin: and his homedir is not viewable, so sftp does not get him in
07:44.18rik_you have all warped my fragile little mind!  I tried emacs-doctor once - very funny!
07:44.31mhallGuerin: and he disabled root login, so fucked his potential back door way in
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07:44.36Guerinbah
07:44.39Guerineejit
07:44.44mhallGuerin: so i think it's pretty much undoable without knoppix
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07:44.56jimrik_: do you ever do any kind of sql programming? or write queries?
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07:44.58mhallGuerin: which is why i do not disable root logins via network
07:44.59Guerinis he running sendmail or webmin or wu-ftpd or something?
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07:45.13mhallGuerin: no i think not
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07:45.21rik_jim, I would like to.  I'm trying to set up a website or two.
07:45.25mhallGuerin: so that's about all the methods
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07:45.38mhallthis spammage is something else
07:45.53Guerin!tell mhall about nospambot
07:45.58mhallhow will we attract freenode hosts with this happening
07:46.21TonyBurnhello, just a quickie, how many cds do i need to download to install debian, surely not all 8? are a few of them docs and source ?
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07:46.40sagarpare there debs for gnome2.12 anywhere?
07:46.59mhallGuerin: let's see how it works
07:47.12mhallGuerin: wow
07:47.17jimone thing emacs has that might help with development (coming up with stored procs, testing them, writing queries, eveluating, looking at results), is emacs shell mode... which is simply a shell inside of an emacs edit buffer... once you're there, you can use mysql, psql, sqlplus or whatever you want... copy/paste queries, save the text of the whole session, etc
07:47.20mhallGuerin: beautiful
07:47.23tcsetattrTonyBurn, 1 CD is enough to get it going. If you need anything from the other CD's you can just download it one package at a time as required
07:47.30GuerinTonyBurn: there are 14 binary and 14 source, for stable. You need 1-3, or a 32MB mini-iso in a pinch
07:47.30jimhandy.
07:47.32TonyBurnok
07:47.54mhallTonyBurn: real men use 3 floppy disk images and only 1 actual disk
07:48.16saloxinreal men use tftpboot ;-)
07:48.16Mugsy_Does anyone know a source that I can put in sources.list with libc6 version: 2.3.5
07:48.22TonyBurnlol
07:48.26Guerinreal men use a usb dot-matirx printer and a punch-card reader
07:48.36Guerinmhall: if you don't know, you don't need
07:48.40GuerinMugsy_: ^^^
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07:48.50jimTonyBurn: also, you can choose to use no cds at all... install everything from 2-4 floppies and a fast (supported-by-the-installer) network
07:48.51mhallYou know, I used the floppy disk method just now to set up this one box. And I wasn't sure what to name the damn thing. So I named it the-damn-thing.
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07:49.23mhallsaloxin: I've done tftp on SPARC
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07:49.42TonyBurni'll download the first 3 cds, i'd rather by bandwisth be raped now then stringing out a lenghy install, i'm only on a 1mb connection
07:49.47TonyBurn*bandwidth
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07:50.04saloxinmhall: heh, /me only on x86 .. so far ;-)
07:50.08mhallTonyBurn: 1mb is good enough to get you going without that much of a headache
07:50.08TonyBurn*lengthy
07:50.08bob2bah
07:50.10bob21mbit/s is plenty
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07:50.22mhallTonyBurn: I use 2mb on my SPARC box
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07:50.30jimMugsy_: libc version is closely tied with core elements of debian. it's very likely that nothing at all will work if you try to use a different libc version
07:50.43bob2TonyBurn: downloading CDs is the slowest way to install Debian over the network
07:50.49mhallmmm, SPARC: 00:09:16 up 121 days, 11:29,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
07:50.53bob2Mugsy_: what are you trying to do?
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07:53.01mhallGuerin: I swear if you sent the /whois of the spam nicks through a Bayes filter for a week or wrote a genetic algorithm and fed it a whois info vector, you could get rid of them all.
07:53.13mhallGuerin: There is some kind of bizarre predictability to all of them.
07:53.22rik_jim, bob2, thank you for being your usual fountains of knowlege.  I learn, I grow, I love it!  Thanks to Gueurin too!
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07:53.52tcsetattrwe'll never know what Mugsy is really up to...
07:53.54Mugsy_bob2, some of my programs depend on libc6 equal or greater then version 2.3.5
07:53.59ke6isfmhall: What, such as the seeming randomness of vowels in the nicks?
07:54.19bob2Mugsy_: and these programs are?
07:54.29bob2Mugsy_: they're not intended for use with your version of Debian
07:54.34jm_from unstable ;)
07:54.34mhallke6isf: It's one of those, my brain can biologically recognize it, but I can't state a deterministic formula type situations.
07:54.46Mugsy_But I got the latest version
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07:55.01mhallke6isf: the sort of thing a bayes or genetic method would excel at
07:55.03Mugsy_freedroidRPG is one
07:55.07ke6isfmhall: I recognize the pattern, the bots are doing this to get around the bans - and it seems to be two or three different bots controlling a series of zombies.
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07:55.26mhallke6isf: right and what are they doing once they are in
07:55.30bob2Mugsy_: which is not for your version of Debian
07:55.31ke6isfmhall: But you're right, since we can't just ban based on randomness, we'd have to find a bayesian.
07:55.34mhallke6isf: since they cannot msg anymore
07:55.35wowzerhello all. I somehow have a screwed up install of phpmyadmin.  How do I get aptitude to allow me to reconfigure it?
07:55.43Mugsy_bob2, what version of Debian is it for?
07:55.52mhallke6isf: not necessarily *ban* just delay or inconvenience
07:55.53ke6isfmhall: Harvesting the /who, I suspect, or checking /whois information for other possible candidates.
07:55.54bob2Mugsy_: unstable
07:55.57mhallke6isf: like a /msg trivia game
07:56.05Eclipserwowzer, dpkg-reconfigure packagename
07:56.09Mugsy_Is that the next version?
07:56.16mhallke6isf: where you have to be able to provide a right answer to some sort of question or something
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07:56.17wowzerty...it's been a while.
07:56.26sad_but_truehi... i am using debian 3.1 sarge, i have just downloaded the kernel sources 2.6.13... but i have some problems with the kernel headers... how this work on debian? (for example, i cant install de NVIDIA drivers because it complains about the headers)
07:56.26ke6isfmhall: A shibboleth, yeah.
07:56.28bob2Mugsy_: no, it's the development version that never releases
07:56.31looneybird_77590ok am back
07:56.36bob2sad_but_true: why do you want 2.6.13?
07:56.37ke6isfmhall: Or however you pronounce it.
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07:56.43snailI have several directories full of large images and would like a tool to browse them quickly and efficiently. could someone recommend somthing?
07:56.45jimok: looneybird_77590 says you're back
07:56.45ke6isfs/pronounce/spell
07:56.46AzarMugsy_ Debian Sarge is stable and is having its limits, etch is testing , and sid is unstable you can get stuff with sid but it is not warrant that packages you want to use would have stability
07:56.47mhallke6isf: that's got to be close
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07:56.54mhall!dict shibboleth
07:56.56dpkgDictionary 'shibboleth' (2 of 3): The th, with its twofold value, is . . . the shibboleth of foreigners.             --Earle. ;; Without reprieve, adjudged to death, For want of well pronouncing shibboleth.          --Milton. Also in an extended sense..
07:57.00bob2snail: gthumb is ok
07:57.05mhallke6isf: Quite right.
07:57.14Mugsy_Okay, so its sid I need?
07:57.21bob2Mugsy_: no
07:57.29bob2Mugsy_: you need packages intended for your version of Debian
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07:57.49ke6isfmhall: Indeed.
07:57.56sad_but_truebob2: i was just curious about it... but i try it and i for example can stand by my system, while 2.6.8 cant... and it seems to work a bit faster and uses little memory
07:57.57AzarMugsy_ in sid you can get any package you want but you will experience bugs and crashes
07:57.58looneybird_77590fixing to do a reboot
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07:58.22Mugsy_But I like to live on the edge
07:58.40mhallke6isf: is your nick a ham call sign
07:58.45ke6isfmhall: Yep.
07:58.59ke6isfmhall: Thinking of altering the nick though.  Pain for some to type 'ke6isf'.
07:59.08Mugsy_So I just have to wait till unstable becomes stable?\
07:59.10AzarMugsy_ if you think you will not be able to fix bugs in sid, you will no have other choice but reinstall Sarge and sit with it
07:59.21jimMugsy_: well...
07:59.25ke6isfMugsy_: Keep waiting for that. =^^=
07:59.25mhallke6isf: fuck em if they can't take a joke
07:59.37ke6isfmhall: Heh =^^=
07:59.39jimfirst off, why do you want to use that libc?
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07:59.57Mugsy_SO I can play FreedroidRPG
07:59.59snailbob2: thanks gthumb does exactly what I need
08:00.03Azar:)
08:00.04jimoic
08:00.16mhallIf people could fix the bugs in Sid, then they would have released it already.
08:00.16valdyn+--------------
08:00.20mhallAnd then it wouldn't be Sid.
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08:00.30mhallThe idea of fixing the bugs in Sid is an oxymoron by definition.
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08:00.39jm_gthumb is nice because it can show animated GIF-s, haven't found any other viewer that does (I checked about 4)
08:00.42AzarMugsy_ wait until Etch goes out officially..
08:00.47jimyou can build one, or try to put a binary one in (somewhere like) your home directory
08:00.56sad_but_trueso? any one can bring some light about debian + kernel_sources
08:00.58jimso it's not used by the -system-
08:00.59mhallAzar: only 4 years to go
08:01.00Mugsy_Okay
08:01.01ke6isfAs I understand it, sid is pretty much the testing groudn for packages before they go into testing.
08:01.23SimonRavenit's where the beta s/w goes.
08:01.23jimsad_but_true: 452
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08:01.27Eiscremehi
08:01.28Azarmhall, personally I have lots of patience, I am happy with Sarge
08:01.44mhallAzar: I use unstable but I'm a hacker.
08:01.45sad_but_trueJim: 452? what's that suppose to mean?
08:01.46kregWyzard, indeed.  as you suggested, the manufacturers diagnostic utils were useful.  they found errors on one of the discs in the arrary using the tools built in diagnostics.  claims errors are repaired now.
08:01.50kregWyzard, thanks.
08:01.55EiscremeHas anyone of you ever set up a streaming server? I tried hard ... very hard ,... however I try, I cannot get it done
08:02.00SimonRaventhe alpha stuff is in experimental - which is why it's called experi-mental ;p
08:02.10ke6isf!polls
08:02.10dpkg"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
08:02.12Azarmhall I am happy for anyone who can handle sid
08:02.33jimsad_but_true: that's the sum you asked for :)
08:02.40jimdebian + kernel :)
08:02.52mhallSimonRaven: Some day when I become a NM, I'll put out a resolution to rename it from experimental to fucking radioactive.
08:02.59jimseriously, what do you want to know
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08:03.16SimonRavenheheh, a bit long to type into sources.list though ;p
08:03.44mhallSimonRaven: the fewer the number typing it in the better
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08:03.51SimonRavendeb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org ../projects/fucking_radioactive
08:03.55SimonRaven;p
08:04.00sad_but_trueso? any one can bring some light about debian + kernel_sources
08:04.02looneybird_77590ok where do i find the log of the boot screen
08:04.15SimonRaven(yeh i left off the other bits)
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08:04.17dondelelcarosad_but_true: what exactly about them?
08:04.20jimseriously, what do you want to know
08:04.20Azarlooneybird_77590, /boot
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08:04.26mhallhow does one quit IRC with Read error: 113 (No route to host)? if the route's broken how do you get here in the first place
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08:04.37Mugsy_I got java, how do I run a program?
08:04.43jimmaybe since he repeated the question without supplying information...
08:04.46dondelelcaromhall: that just means that the server couldn't bet to you; happens all the time for isps
08:04.51SimonRavenmhall: means the route got fucked in the mean time
08:04.52dondelelcaros/bet/get/
08:05.09SimonRavenyeh...
08:05.14jimsad_but_true: /msg dpkg smart questions   /msg dpkg sicco
08:05.16MortalmanCan someone reccomend a low resource X based file manager that doesn't require KDE or gnome ?
08:05.19mhallSimonRaven: it's comparable to http.<bureaucratic subdivision>.<bureaucratic institution>.<iso 3166 code of choice>.debian.org ;-)
08:05.35SimonRavenMortalman: uxterm+ls+mv+cp
08:05.44SimonRavenmhall: ;)
08:05.46AzarMortalman, MC - midnightcommander
08:05.48sad_but_trueJim: cant understand what you say
08:05.50jimthen try again with feeling and information this time (since there was none of the latter and very little of the former)
08:05.55MortalmanSimonRaven: nice
08:06.00jim!smart questions
08:06.00dpkgGo here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts.
08:06.03MortalmanAzar: MC is console based.
08:06.08SimonRavenMortalman: even in utf-8 ;)
08:06.22AzarMortalman, sorry I thought you ment X-less one
08:06.22SimonRavenMortalman: mc, but one thing it doesn'tdo is utf-8
08:06.30jim!sicco
08:06.31dpkgPlease ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic.  Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
08:06.41Mortalmankey point being "X-based" people, heh
08:06.53SimonRavenuxterm -e mc&
08:07.06Mortalmanheh
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08:07.20jim(you're being given the business at the moment because you haven't told us what you want yet, and repeated a question identically that had no information in it)
08:07.23SimonRavenrox filer if you want something small fast and x-based
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08:08.14mhallWhat's the LANG=en_US equivalent of the Scandinavian name/term Per?
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08:08.18jimlet's try once more...
08:08.24Mortalmanrox filer?  Is that the package name ?
08:08.57SimonRavenjust rox IIRC
08:09.19jimsad_but_true, tell us what you -want-, be -specific-, supply -information-, keep it -concise- and tell us all parts of what you want (-complete-)
08:09.48tcsetattrmhall, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per
08:10.02mhallotherwise, sad_but_true , you sadly but truely will not get much help
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08:10.26gNCarlinhoshi everybody
08:10.41gNCarlinhossomeone speak spanish
08:10.46ke6isf!es
08:10.46dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:10.47SimonRavenyou real ly want ~600 hellos? ;)
08:10.55SimonRavengrr, 8yg
08:11.02mhalltcsetattr: Interesting. But they also have Petr
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08:11.08pobstilhey if I already have a video0 - my tv tuner card, and I plug in a webcam, what does the webcam become?
08:11.14sad_but_trueI compiled the 2.6.13 kernel... installed it and it's modules... now i have trouble installinf nvidia and nforce drivers, the installers complain about the kernel headers... what i have to do to solve it?
08:11.30SimonRavenpobstil: what's one highers than 0?
08:11.33ke6isfsad_but_true: What is the complaint?
08:11.34tcsetattrmhall, following the link to "Peter" you can see several scandinavian variants
08:11.38SimonRavens/highers/higher/
08:12.08pobstilcheers, just checking. and I'm sure you put that as nice as possible, thanks for your help
08:12.57SimonRavenyeh, i did. heh
08:13.08jimsad_but_true, can you tell us the precise text of the message you get from the installers?
08:13.42mhallTequila is a pain in the ass. Whenever you have any of it anyplace in the fridge/freezer its smell spreads to everything
08:13.43ke6isfsad_but_true: You'll want the pastebin for this.
08:13.46ke6isf!pastebin sad_but_true
08:13.51ke6isf...dangit.
08:13.51mhallAnd the smell of it's really quite bad.
08:13.53ke6isf!pastebin
08:13.53dpkgpastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca
08:13.54jim(if it's long, could you please put it on a web page and say here where it is)
08:14.00mhallI swear I'll never buy that crap ever again.
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08:14.19ke6isfmhall: Sounds like you got some bad tequila.  Makes a good chicken marinade with some lime added to it.
08:14.35MortalmanSimonRaven: Wow,  xfe is pretty.  Almost identical to Explorer.exe, hehe
08:14.44ke6isfPriority interrupt.
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08:14.50mhallke6isf: lol!
08:14.57sad_but_trueJim: i cant cause now i am not running that kernel, i can even connect to internet with that kernel
08:15.03SimonRaveni think that was the point... and IE is*not* pretty by any means
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08:15.23jimsad_but_true: ok... what kernel do you have now?
08:15.27SimonRavenM$hit has no design sense whatsoever...
08:15.29Mugsy_I got java, how do I run a .class file?
08:15.38jimare you using your older kernel now?
08:15.40Mugsy_Its for a X file
08:15.53mhallSimonRaven: KDE is not much better
08:15.54jimsay it's Foo.class
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08:16.02jimjava Foo
08:16.04SimonRavenmhall: agreed
08:16.07mhallSimonRaven: Their taskbar item stacking is highly illogical to me.
08:16.21mhallSimonRaven: Why does it go upper, lower, upper, lower etc.
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08:16.23JosephSpirosso, I'm doing an upgrade, and two new packages are going to be installed, dependencies of one of the 62 packages that are going to be upgraded
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08:16.30mhallSimonRaven: And god damn that defaulting to single click!
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08:16.36JosephSpirosany easy way to see what upgraded packages require the new ones?
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08:16.51mhallSimonRaven: But single click is easily fixed.
08:16.51Mugsy_java Surviavly       OUTPUT:   java.lang.ClassFormatError: survival/Survival (wrong name: Survival)
08:17.05mhallSimonRaven: What can be done about the improper taskbar icon stacking
08:17.17sad_but_trueJim: 2.6.8... but the problem is that the 2.6.13 was installed from sources, not a deb package... i dont know how to install the kernel headers or where link them so that the programs that need them can find them
08:17.28SimonRavenhate to start this up, but linux has a ways to go before any of the major DEs have good aesthetics...
08:17.33gNCarlinhosapt-cache policy ??????.deb
08:17.50SimonRaventheming only goes so far...
08:17.57SimonRavengNCarlinhos: no, package name
08:18.01mhallSimonRaven: My biggest beef is for some reason Linux menus are hard to navigate.
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08:18.10jimsad_but_true: go into your kernel source dir and try this... make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers
08:18.17Mugsy_jim: Do you know why I get that?
08:18.17SimonRavenmhall: yet again, modelled on M$hit
08:18.25mhallSimonRaven: I'm much slower when navigating a K menu than I am navigating an MS Start menu though.
08:18.33SimonRavensub-menus coming out the arse
08:18.41mhallSimonRaven: I think it's too much subdivided into chunks.
08:18.54mhallSimonRaven: I'd be better off with a monolithic alphabetical structure.
08:19.15mhallSimonRaven: Because when I want to use an app, I instantly think of 1) full name or 2) unix CLI name.
08:19.16SimonRavenhehe, man, that'd be insane
08:19.24SimonRavenmhall: me too
08:19.26mhallSimonRaven: So I'd like a menu that gave me either of those.
08:19.29sad_but_trueJim: make-kpkg ??? sure?
08:19.39SimonRaventab complete is a lot faster...
08:19.44mhallSimonRaven: these days I always start a Konsole and type shit in
08:19.45jimif you don't have that command, apt-get install kernel-package
08:20.00mhallSimonRaven: yeah advanced bash completion is my best friend
08:20.12SimonRaveni'm a zsh fan ;)
08:20.14caphuso"advanced"
08:20.18jimsad_but_true: yeah... it will make a .deb file from your kernel (compiling it first if you didn't make clean)
08:20.27mhallSimonRaven: I've heard the stories.
08:20.33mhallSimonRaven: But haven't switched over yet.
08:20.37Mugsy_Some of my files aren't assoicated with any icon, but I have the icon, I can set the icon up for the file if I go to the file properties, but is there fix all of them at once?
08:20.46mhallcaphuso: Yes I am aware that it's inferior to other shells.
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08:21.04jimsad_but_true: I'm not sure if this will solve your problem... but you will get debian packages of your kernel and the corresponding kernel headers
08:21.04mhallcaphuso: But it's partly that I'm 100% used to what it does, so it's almost become symbiotic.
08:21.07Zero_KelvinHiyo!
08:21.08SimonRavenonce i ran the compinstall stuff, and tried out tabbing in zsh, i never looked back
08:21.21jimwhich you can install then
08:21.32mhallcaphuso: I'm not sure another shell would be enough better to justify the inconvenience of relearning.
08:21.46mhallAlso bash is more widely available.
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08:21.50Mugsy_No one knows how to get icons to work in KDE?
08:21.51sad_but_truejim: i doesnt have that command... which packages provides it?
08:21.58jimif you don't have that command, apt-get install kernel-package
08:22.07mhallMugsy_: Try making sure you have the icons packages installed.
08:22.10jimkernel-package
08:22.16mhallMugsy_: I think they come as some kind of extra
08:22.18Zero_KelvinWell, I said I'd be back in Debian. :) Any of you guys know where I can see an approximate time of various packages being updated, namely Koffice, KXdocker, kwin-baghira, and anything else that's still "demanding" KDE 3.3 instead of 3.4?
08:22.32bob2Mugsy_: perhaps #debian-kde
08:22.37bob2Zero_Kelvin: ^^
08:22.45jimsad_but_true: having a .deb of your own kernels is very handy...
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08:23.02mhallMugsy_: Ah, there are some kde-icons-* packages.
08:23.09jimwhen the build is done, the packages will be in .. if it worked
08:23.18mhallMugsy_: Try running the following: mhall@themhallbox:~$ apt-cache search kde | fgrep -i icon
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08:23.36Azaris the Sarge installation automatically stuffing gnome or kde? or you can opt them out?
08:23.41sad_but_truejim: but i dont have make-kpkg how i get it?
08:23.50jimif you don't have that command, apt-get install kernel-package
08:23.51SimonRavenAzar: there is no default DE
08:24.01sad_but_truejim: thanks
08:24.09Azarsounds nice SimonRaven, thank you
08:24.15fireba11i need a bit an unusual setup for VNC .. i need it to use the same desktop for everyone connecting and keep that desktop running all the time .. anyone knows how to do that ?
08:24.19mhallAzar: by default you have about enough to put around the network and install more crap
08:24.20sad_but_truei will try it tomorrow since now are 6 in ther morning here in argentina
08:24.24mhallAzar: and that's pretty much it
08:24.33mhallAzar: then it's up to you
08:24.34jimuparrows that go back to my previous what-I-done-said stuff is really handy too
08:24.50mhallAzar: i find myself often reaching for x-window-system-core and kdebase
08:24.57Azarmhall I was afraid that it was a no-choice deal, I prefer opbenbox
08:25.15Mugsy_Thoughs are just icon themes
08:25.25Azarmhall I am on just a base install as of now with only an upgraded kernel
08:25.38jimsad_but_true: ok, no problem. btw, you are welcome to come here. do you also want to speak in your native language?
08:25.44Azar... I got the sarge lift from woody
08:25.50jimif yes...
08:25.52jim!ar
08:25.53dpkgsomebody said ar was argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils
08:26.12mhallAzar yeah perfect you can put just precisely what you want on there
08:26.18jimhmm, what is your native language? :)
08:26.34mhallAzar: just install x-window-system-core plus mozilla-firefox plus openbox
08:26.41mhallAzar: and that should get you rolling
08:26.42sad_but_truejim: no, that's ok... my english is pretty nasty so it's going to help me improve it a little bit
08:26.48mhallAzar: probably also want, say, synaptic
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08:27.06Azarmhall I was wondering because I see people who install Sarge are using mostly kde or gnome, so I wasnt sure how the new Sarge CDs are packed
08:27.20Azarmhall what is synaptic?
08:27.37jimsad_but_true: just so you are reminded tho, the make-kpkg thing could be a side issue and not solve (and maybe not be related to) your problem
08:27.37mhallAzar: that's a purely democratic thing. those two are what are most widely chosen by the public
08:27.43mhallAzar: they vote with apt-get
08:27.51mhallAzar: synaptic is the X version of apt
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08:27.56mhallAzar: it's a beautiful tool
08:28.13Azarmhall, I am holding on configuring X and sound yet... focusing on tcp/ip firewalling and bash scripting for now
08:28.14jimbut it -is- handy and it allows you to keep lots of kernels around waiting to be installed
08:28.16mhallAzar: it lets you do some helpful things in seconds that it would take minutes to do with the cli
08:28.46Azaroh interesting.. I will bookmark it to try it later
08:28.49mhallwell it's 1:29 AM
08:28.53fireba11anyone that can help me plz ?
08:29.08mhallAzar: one useful toy in it for me as an experimental/unstable guy is locking versions of packages
08:29.13Azarfireba11, are you hurt?
08:29.25sad_but_truejim: ok, thank you, i'll try that and if it doesnt work i'going to do some little google to figure out a solution
08:29.25SimonRavensynaptic is the gtk2 version of aptitude
08:29.25jimif you want to plz, first you have to tell us what it means to plz
08:29.28Mugsy_The icons have worked before for the same programs, I reinstalled and now some aren't working
08:29.29Gnea!plz
08:29.29dpkgfrom memory, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it
08:29.40mhallAzar: for instance locking firefox at 1.0.6 to avoid the scary copies floating down the experimental pipe
08:29.55Azarsounds very interesting (synaptic)
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08:30.08sad_but_truejim: byee!! thanks!
08:30.16jimsad_but_true: one thing, you might need to apt-get install build-essential and you might need to learn how the kernel build system works
08:30.19mhallyeah the people at work i converted to debian from other linuces were blow away by it
08:30.23DrShadeGreetings again.  I was unable to get dual-monitors working to my satisfaction :( From what I can gather with the proprietory ATi drivers to run Big Desktop (which was what I wanted) it requires both monitors be set to the same video settings, which I cannot do with my current setup and maintain 1600x1200 on this monitor :( Oh well, time to look into a cheap 19inch crt that can do 1600x1200 at 60hz I suppose.
08:30.43mhallDrShade: Don't use a 60 hz monitor.
08:30.51sad_but_truejim: ok!!!
08:30.55mhallDrShade: unless it's LCD
08:30.57Mugsy_I tried to compile something and I get: src/Terrain.cpp:11:23: SDL_image.h: No such file or directory
08:30.58DrShademhall, I have this Dell fp2001 ;)
08:31.01fireba11DrShade: should work with different settings too
08:31.02Zero_KelvinRead the link in the topic of Debian-KDE. Cool, switching to GCC and G++ 4. :) I just hope the packages I like to use are updated quick, I don't want to have to "roll my own", I already do that too much on the back verandah. :)
08:31.12jimsad_but_true: best of luck to you
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08:31.36AzarDrShade, 1600X1200 sounds crazy, I never get a correct view with that resolution
08:31.59jimAzar: my panel likes that res
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08:32.21fireba11noone know how to get VNC to keep the desktop open when u log of ?
08:32.36Azarjim I have a ViewSonic and a Samsung, both excellent but none of them would give me a satisfactory view not in m$ or linux
08:32.36DrShadefireba11, the ATi driver notes said Big Desktop only works if both monitors are using the same video settings :( I didn't try otherwise, heh.
08:32.39Zero_KelvinMy desktop is only 1280x1024, but I'd like a 17" laptop with wuxga (1920x1200) :)
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08:33.01yangDo I plug my console cable into paralel port (25 pin)?
08:33.05fireba11DrShare: hum .. ati drivers for windows can do it !?
08:33.06jimAzar: dvi connector on panel and video card? using it?
08:33.10CokeAzar: 1600x1200 is a bliss
08:33.15Azarat 1600X1200 the text is as small as a flea
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08:33.26jimbliss is a linux virus...
08:33.38CokeI can fit eight 80x25 terminals on a 1600x1200 desktop.
08:33.50jon_is_tiredHey
08:33.52jon_is_tiredI had dual 1600x1200 with my radeon card.
08:33.54jon_is_tiredWith Linux of coarse.
08:33.57bob2you must have great eyesight
08:33.58jon_is_tiredI have a Linux virus for you
08:33.58jim1600x1200 is a linux virus??!
08:34.09DrShadefireba11, I know...when I was in XP with the newest ATi drivers I had an extended desktop type dual-monitor display with each running seperate resolutions/depths...but alas this is not Windows and I am very glad of that, heh.
08:34.13Cokebob2: no, I have a 21" CRT @ 100Hz
08:34.21jon_is_tiredGo and delete random files. Thank you. This is a Linux virus. Please forward this to all of your friends.~~The honor system.
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08:34.27Zero_KelvinAzar: So adjust the size. :) I hate using some of my relatives computers because they have decent screens and cards showing 800x600. I bump up the res to about 1280x1024 and then up the text size. "Oh wow! All my pictures!".
08:34.28bob2Coke: yes, I have a 21" CRT and I still can't read small xterms
08:34.38fireba11DrShade: what i wanted to say is i can't imagine linux driver missing such an important feature ..
08:34.47Cokebob2: Ok. well, I have bad eye seight, but only for far away objects.
08:34.53jon_is_tiredHey may I ask a hardware question ?
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08:35.12jimprobably... or did you just do that already?
08:35.17Cokejon_is_tired: as long as you don't ask if you can ask
08:35.26jon_is_tiredmeh
08:35.33jon_is_tiredI have a radeon 9800xt
08:35.40Coke!tell jon_is_tired about enter
08:35.42stumbleshi, how can i take an image of an ntfs partition?
08:35.46jon_is_tiredwith two monitors
08:35.47DrShadefireba11, well, apparently it is either a defficiency with Xfree or the ATi drivers for Linux, heh, I'm gonna go with the ATi drivers.
08:36.05Cokestumbles: dd
08:36.17bob2stumbles: same as you take an image of any partition. unmount it and use dd
08:36.22jon_is_tiredI"m getting a third display Tuesday. I have my hands on a pci nvidia 5200, would putting that thing in so I could have up to four monitors work with X and such ?
08:36.28AzarZero_Kelvin, I am reading a lot and if the text is not of a proper size, I am not able to use it. Adjusting the size will diform the desktop items when I am using X
08:36.36mhallDrShade: ah sweet
08:36.41mhallDrShade: I have that screen too
08:36.46mhallDrShade: It's an awesome screen
08:37.09stumblescoke, bob2 so something like dd if=/dev/hdx of=image ?
08:37.13DrShademhall, eh?
08:37.17Zero_KelvinAzar: {shrug}, your PC. :)
08:37.22mhallDrShade: the 2001fp
08:37.24bob2stumbles: yes, but that's a disk, not a partition
08:37.32DrShademhall, oh yah, love it dearly ;)
08:37.38Cokestumbles: just add the partition number to it
08:38.07mhallDrShade: i noticed best buy selling an inferior imitation of it for over $100 more than i paid for it from dell
08:38.11mhallDrShade: haha
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08:38.21fireba11*ikes* dell
08:38.25stumblesCoke, bob2: sure, is the block size relevant?
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08:38.40DrShademhall, you talking about Best Buy's "Insignia" line of technology?
08:38.54Zero_Kelvinjon_is_tired: Probably, I can't think of a reason why not. Looking on google...
08:38.56bob2stumbles: only for speed
08:39.05jimmy dell ultrasharp 2000fp looks nice at 1600x1200 :) and at 60 hz too :)
08:39.12Mugsy_How do I run a java program in KDE?
08:39.16mhallDrShade: i forget what kind
08:39.19Eclipser60Hz, eww
08:39.25mhallEclipser: LCD
08:39.28Eclipserstill :)
08:39.29DrShadeHeh.
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08:39.37mhallEclipser: with DVI
08:39.38Cokestumbles: not in your case. I think that dd will match the block size of the low-level read buffer.
08:39.38jimEclipser: and digital too, no flicker at all, none.
08:39.41mhallEclipser: works fine
08:39.47Eclipserah ok :)
08:40.06jimmy eyes would have melted by now otherwise
08:40.07mhalljim: my favorite part is the inputs
08:40.07EclipserMugsy_, umh, running java program doesn't have anything to do with what desktop you got :)
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08:40.22jimyeah, that's definitely nice
08:40.25mhalljim: only thing i wish for would be being able to lower brightness further
08:40.29EclipserMugsy_, you just need java runtime environment installed
08:40.32stumblesthanks bob2, Coke
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08:40.37mhalljim: i have an old analog pc, a digital pc, and a dvd deck
08:40.40Azarmy both machines were build from scattered parts it took a while to accomodate them so there... they did not came with fancy settings from the factory
08:40.42fireba11crap .. there is a way to prevent VNC from closing the desktop when u log off .. but how ??
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08:40.53jimwow, you have an analog pc?!
08:40.54mhalljim: now all i need is a composite source, maybe an old-school nintendo
08:41.01mhalljim: wnbt
08:41.08Gathondfireba11: what do you mean?
08:41.10yangIs there a better port maintaned for linux on XT, than elks...
08:41.14Eclipser!tell Mugsy_ -about install java
08:41.15mhalljim: i mean 15-pin vga you goofball
08:41.16DrShademhall, I do know Best Buy now has a "brand" of products under the title "Insignia" - they have tv's, home theatre systems, computers, monitors, etc!  They are -very- cheap but the quality is...hmm, questionable perhaps?
08:41.22jimpour water in one end, blow in the other, and it multiplies them together producing soda pop?!
08:41.36mhalljim: heh
08:41.36Gathondfireba11: I've never had the VNC server shut down when I closed the client side program
08:41.41fireba11Gathond: i need VNC to keep the desktop open when i close the VNC connection so the stuff on the desktop keeps running .. i know it is possible but don't know how to do it
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08:41.57Gathondfireba11: just close the client viewer application
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08:42.07jimyeah I guess I am a goofball soemtimes
08:42.08fireba11i tried
08:42.13Gathondfireba11: dont log out of the wm running in VNC though
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08:42.53fireba11Gathon:d and when i reopen VNC i am at the login and when i log in all programs are closed
08:43.02fireba11ups
08:43.13Azarwhat I have against "from the shelf" machines: 1. they mostly use Intel - I cannot stand Intel, 2. mostly have onboard video chip - no upgradeable video card, 3. get a whacky default configuration and lots of junkware
08:43.30fireba11Gathond: i treid that .. but when i reconnect my desktop is empty again
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08:44.03mhallAzar: do not forget the microsoft tax
08:44.10Gathondfireba11: empty as in its closed down and restarted? how do you start VNC?
08:44.10mhallAzar: of 90 USD per system
08:44.13Azarmhall yes indeed
08:44.32DrShadeAzar, nod.  Friend just purchased an HP.  Tried to convince him to let me build him a computer.  First question I had from him was why the RAM listed in My Computer was lower than the advertised amount.  Oh the non-joy of shared memory ;)
08:44.39mhallAzar: you know what pisses me off most is on my 64-bit laptop they do not even ship it with 64-bit xp
08:44.43Gathondfireba11: the server part I mean :)
08:44.56mhallAzar: and in order to get 64-bit xp you must surrender your license to 32-bit xp
08:45.13Gathondfireba11: its not that you use som sort of automated remote login system that starts a new vnc session every time someone attempts to connect?
08:45.16mhallAzar: and the pigfucker wireless chip company will not deploy a 64-bit driver
08:45.24jon_is_tiredSo what ? You have Gentoo :). www.gentoo.org, set your make.conf to compile for k8
08:45.26Azarmhall if you were expecting 64-xp you should have been waiting maybe few months longer
08:45.46mhallAzar: i ended up using debian (of course this i'd planned the whole time) with a cardbus atheros adapter
08:46.07mhalldoes anybody know why the atheros driver will not let you scan for networks
08:46.09Azarindeed 64 is a risky jump right now, Id wait one more year to make sure it is linked to all hardware drivers and OS-es
08:46.20mhallhow in the fuck can i connect if i can't scan for wireless APs
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08:46.42AzarI am still reluctant to use wireless...
08:46.51jimit's expensive
08:46.55fireba11Gathond: nope
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08:47.09fireba11Gathond: not that i know of
08:47.10jon_is_tiredIf everything were open source, software would never be behind hardware.
08:47.13AzarI am a control freak, anything new makes me feel unstable, I crash fast
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08:47.31Gathondfireba11: how do you start is?
08:47.47jimjon_is_tired: if all inlaws were outlawed, only outlaws would have inlaws...
08:47.48nkuttlermhall: i'm not sure, but i think you can configure it yourself if you know essid, channel etc
08:47.50looneybird_77590ok on boot up  i have 3 fatal errors  1st 1    module ide_detect not found   how do i fix it
08:48.16fireba11Gathond: i started vnc via the vncserver command ...
08:48.16Azarlooneybird_77590, did you configure and ran your lilo before booting up?
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08:48.26fireba11Gathond: or is that the wrong way to do it ?
08:48.37mhallnkuttler: but I can't ahead of time as it's my .edu's wireless
08:48.42Azar( tell me you use grup and I will shut up)
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08:48.44Gathondfireba11: strange, I've never had that one close down on me just because the client is shut down
08:48.57Zero_Kelvinjon_is_tired: Damn, I know I found a nifty guide on setting up X with multiple screens once before. I used it for just two, but I'm guessing that it can scale as much as your hardware can. Try tldp.org and X.org for more info on setting up X windows. As far as I know, as long as you've got the right video drivers, you can just tell X that there's multiple video cards and screens in the xorg.conf (or XFree86 conf), each with their own settings, and then it
08:49.02Gathondfireba11: you do close the client by just closing it right? the client window?
08:49.20looneybird_77590no, whats the procedure
08:49.26Azar*grub oh
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08:49.45DrShadeI'm reluctant to use wireless also...for one reason I prefer the wires ;)  Kinda in a "mad scientist" type fashion - they go well with the hoard of computer parts strewn everywhere and technical books.  Reason two...don't want anybody on my WAP.  Yeah yeah there's ways to avoid that but I'm still concerned.
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08:50.09Zero_KelvinDrShade: Give up my knife switch?! You must be crazy!
08:50.23Azarlooneybird_77590, you need to run modconf and pick the modules you need
08:50.30DrShadeZero_Kelvin, heh heh ;)
08:50.40fireba11Gathond: yes
08:51.03DrShadeMy friends all say Dave you're mental, anyway!
08:51.23Gathondfireba11: and you dont have to restart the server, it keeps running after you exit?
08:51.25jimyou could tell them you're physical too...
08:51.29fireba11Gathond: mind it's a suse system *ashamed* VMware workstation is only certified for that :-(
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08:51.32fireba11Gathond: yes
08:51.40looneybird_77590in a root terminal
08:51.43Zero_KelvinI'm imagining the google founders being something like that. "Sergey! Throw the switch!" "Yes Eric, he he he."
08:51.56Gathondfireba11: certified means next to nothing:) debian works fine in there :)
08:52.26jon_is_tiredSo does Mac OS X :).
08:52.39Gathondfireba11: but Im sorry, I dont have a solution, never experienced it, try looking into wether the server keeps a log, and try setitng the loglevel to the most verbose one possible
08:52.50fireba11i know .. but the stup was kind a hurried and we got that on another PC runnign already so i went with that .. next time i'll use debain ^^
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08:53.01fireba11okay, thanks
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08:55.45Azarlooneybird_77590, yes the kernel upgrade routine is that before you attempt to reboot you must edit your lilo file (if you use lilo) , run lilo then do a modconfig. Only after that you can reboot
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08:55.55Azar..as root ofcourse
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08:56.14looneybird_77590ok in root terminal i typed  modconf    got command not found
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08:56.22PhatedSo install it.
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08:57.17Zero_Kelvinapt: What up.
08:57.19aptReplacement program for uptime.. URL: http://www.burdell.org/up.php3
08:57.24Zero_KelvinHehehe
08:57.43pvt22does anybody know how to install laserjet 1000
08:58.18Zero_Kelvinpvt22: That would depend on what you're going to be printing with.
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08:58.31Halifaxhello i'd like to patch the kernel 2.4.31 witch a bootsplash patch. does anybody know which bootsplash-patch does work with the kernel 2.4.31?
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08:58.42Guerinpvt22: what colour is a car with a 2 litre engine?
08:58.55Zero_KelvinGuerin: Lol.
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08:59.51GuerinHalifax: only one way to find out. If you find patching the kernel to be too much of a pain the the arse, try splashy - ask dpkg about it
09:00.13pvt22wer can i get driver for linux
09:00.43Guerinpvt22: does your driver need a heavy traffic or a chauffer's license, or just a standard passenger license?
09:00.44Zero_Kelvinpvt22: Brand? Are you using CUPS? Is it already in there?
09:00.55Azarpvt22 check their website, see if there is a "linux" driver for it
09:01.01Guerin!printing
09:01.02dpkgi heard printing is see printer
09:01.09Guerin!printer
09:01.09dpkgit has been said that printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui
09:01.24Guerindpkg, no, printing is <reply> see printer
09:01.24dpkgGuerin: okay
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09:01.39DrShade!splashy
09:01.39dpkgit has been said that splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right.
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09:01.49Azarpvt22 I would not bother using fancy printers with linux, get a basic, standard inkjet
09:01.51DrShadeKewl ;)
09:02.09Halifaxand where could this package be downloaded
09:02.15GuerinAzar: i think he already has a printer, that he seems to think is called 'laserjet 1000'
09:02.24Mugsy_alt+F2 doesn't work in KDE, how can I fix it
09:02.25Slippy!greenhouse
09:02.25dpkgGentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian!
09:02.35DrShadeHAH!
09:02.38Guerin!find splashy
09:02.38AzarGuerin maybe that is the logo painted on it
09:02.50dpkgDebian Package/File/Desc Search of 'splashy' returned no results.
09:02.57GuerinMugsy_: #kde
09:03.05GuerinHalifax: packages.debian.org/experimental/
09:03.08Zero_KelvinAzar: I have a Canon PIXMA iP3000. Nice printer, no linux support, NDA'd drivers that only Canon and Turbo Print in Germany know the guts of. Canon have said to me on the phone "We do not, and never will support Linux". Next printer will be an Epson or a HP.
09:03.13pvt22hp laserjet 1000, im trying to share in windows os
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09:03.28mwilsonMugsy_: Doesn't work?  What's it supposed to do in the first place?
09:03.40GuerinZero_Kelvin: canon == wankers who like to use proprietary protocols when standard protocols would work better
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09:03.41Mugsy_open something to type a command
09:03.57Guerinpvt22: see the 'printer' factoid above
09:03.58mwilsonMugsy_: You mean you don't know, then.
09:04.01AzarZero_Kelvin I like lexmarks are simple, easy to hook up, configure and use and overall cheap
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09:04.03DewiZero_Kelvin: can samba still share printers like that to windows machines?
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09:04.06jimpvt22: put it on a jetdirect and put that on your local net
09:04.10DewiZero_Kelvin: since there's a driver on the client end?
09:04.10Mugsy_open the run dialog box
09:04.33GuerinAzar: lexmarks are just as bad from a linux standpoint
09:05.00looneybird_77590ok i dont have lilo on here is there an alternate program
09:05.05mwilsonMugsy_: I imagine even KDE has some sort of key-binding application... what is that key combination bound to?
09:05.06Dewilooneybird_77590: grub?
09:05.08Guerinall printers are evil anyway ... all devices which attempt to bridge the mechanical/electrical divide in any meaningful way are
09:05.08AzarGuerin I have a small, non-color simple lexmark works ok with my Debian machine
09:05.21Zero_KelvinDewi: No, not as far as I can tell.
09:05.22pvt22what if the printer is on windows os and the os im adding printer is linux
09:05.28looneybird_77590that  i have
09:05.45Dewipvt22: so it's on windows AND linux? ...
09:05.49valdynpvt22: cups can print to windows printers np
09:05.52Guerinpvt22: LOOK AT LINUXPRINTING.ORG
09:05.56Guerinfor fuck's sakes
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09:06.02Azarlooneybird_77590, then you only need to install and run debconf
09:06.03valdynpvt22: in various ways too
09:06.07jimlooneybird_77590: there are a few alternates... lilo grub silo milo syslinux...
09:06.19jimsilo and milo are for other machines I think
09:06.23Azar... grub is said to take care of new kernels.. so I heard
09:06.30Guerin!grand
09:06.30dpkgIt's not called the GRAND Unified Bootloader for nothing.
09:06.35mwilsonAn LJ1000 isn't worth the trouble in Linux, barely worth the trouble in Windows.  It's utterly stupid, you have to download its firmware to it each time you turn it on.  Of course, you'd learn all of this at linuxprinting.org, if you actually looked.
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09:07.04jimit's not even a recursive acronym... it can't be really good...
09:07.22looneybird_77590debconf is installed
09:07.27Zero_Kelvin"What are we doing?" "Looking for grub." "And how are we doing it?" "We're grubbing for it! Grubbing for Grub." - Paraphrased from The Last Continent, Terry P.
09:07.42AzarGuerin I spent my first month learning woody 3 years ago back then lilo was the thing, I learned the lilo way , grub scares me by automatically doing things I have no idea of
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09:08.00pvt22yes, the printer is installed in the windows os
09:08.48jimif you're going to keep it that way then you'd have to share the printer in windows
09:09.18jimpersonally, I dunno how to do that :)
09:09.28Dewijim: probably harder than the other way around
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09:09.48valdynboth is easy
09:10.07DrShadeMy first lilo memory - seeing "li" printed out on bootup and the computer not progressing further.  There was a page that detailed that problem from a technical standpoint, but I have forgotten why it happened.
09:10.24Zero_Kelvin99 99 99 99 99 99 99... ad infinitum.
09:10.28Dewiyeah. grub's worked out better for me than lilo.
09:10.53GuerinZero_Kelvin: yeah, me too
09:11.29mwilson<sigh> Now we get to go on the unixodbc rollercoaster again...
09:11.46looneybird_77590ran debconf from root terminal  got  Usage: debconf [options}  command  [args]
09:11.51Zero_KelvinSmokey time outside...
09:12.19Guerinlooneybird_77590: never run debconf directly
09:12.22valdynlooneybird_77590: why would you even run 'debconf' ?
09:12.33Guerinlooneybird_77590: run dpkg-reconfigure packageyouwanttoreconfigure
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09:14.08DewiGuerin: does that always re-ask all the questions?
09:14.31GuerinDewi: i believe so; if not, adding -plow will
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09:15.06DewiGuerin: I've had trouble in the past. But I think I was failing to identify which package the debconf really belonged to. sometimes it can be ambiguous
09:15.07Azaroh my , it was MY fault: I ment DEBCONF, stupid me mixed my readings with what I told looneybird_77590
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09:15.29Azarlooneybird_77590 was just upgrading his kernel
09:15.41Azarmodconf
09:15.44Azarsorry
09:15.44olethhi, I would like to change the system's time (during the installation I didnt picked up time zone). How can I do this?
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09:16.01Gathondoleth: tzconfig
09:16.03Azar2 a.m. I am getting nuts here
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09:16.26jimoleth: do your time zone first, then set your time (maybe not necessary)
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09:17.25looneybird_77590ok damn. keep jumping to wrong keyboard
09:17.53looneybird_77590ok how do i run modconf
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09:18.06Dewiwhat should I do to make my linux box resolve using windows naming? not wins but whatever it uses without wins
09:18.10looneybird_77590root terminal says command not found
09:18.16DrShadeHeh
09:18.28Dewiand for that matter, how can I make other windows boxes resolve the linux box by name?
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09:18.35Azarlooneybird_77590, what command?
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09:18.47olethGathond: thanks
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09:19.00Azarlooneybird_77590, what command is not found?
09:19.04valdynDewi: set up a nameserver or edit /etc/hosts on your linux box and the equicalent hosts file on your windows box ( dont recall where it is but you can find it )
09:19.07looneybird_77590modconf-modconfig
09:19.23Dewivaldyn: I don't want to edit /etc/hosts on every machine on the LAN
09:19.33Dewivaldyn: I'd also like to avoid running a DNS but I might have to.
09:19.36valdynDewi: so you need to set up a nameserver
09:19.39Azarlooneybird_77590 :        modconf
09:19.42valdynDewi: you do have to
09:19.50Dewivaldyn: I'm sure in the old days my linux boxes could do the windows-style naming
09:19.54valdynDewi: a nameserver like dnsmasq is quite simple
09:19.55Dewivaldyn: I never ran a DNS in my life
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09:20.13looneybird_77590commanddd not found
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09:20.17Dewiand I used to be able to open a shell and ping, in either direction
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09:20.36valdynDewi: ping uses gethostbyname()
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09:20.42jimDewi: in the old days windows never even heard of an "internet"
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09:21.03Dewijim: windows had tcp/ip support 10 years ago
09:21.17jimbarely
09:21.22DrShadeDewi, 95?
09:21.24jimyou had to add it
09:21.30Azarloney, maybe you do not have it, install it
09:21.38Dewivaldyn: yep. and gethostbyname() used to somehow fall through to nmblookups
09:21.45looneybird_77590actually says  bash: modconf: command not found
09:21.48Gathondjim: no, windows 95 included it (cant remember its exact release date though)
09:21.51Dewieven windows for workgroups had tcp/ip
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09:21.56Dewijust not for dialup
09:22.04Dewi(this is in later versions)
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09:22.09Azarlooneybird_77590, install it
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09:22.28Dewiwindows 95 could do tcp/ip both for LAN and dialup out of the box
09:22.29jimoh, ok... but I thought you said "in the old days"
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09:22.38Trewasfascinating... using X with composite manager (with matrox g550) is almost usably fast with xorg 6.9 from experimental, while it was completely unusable with xorg 6.8
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09:22.48SickJackenhi, how can i make ssh run in the background (for port forwarding) ? i tried ending it with a &....but it exits after a few seconds
09:22.48bob2neat
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09:23.03Dewijim: since I'm talking about name resolution, I don't know why you're bringing up "the internet" or "ip" or anything
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09:23.06valdynDewi: well, whatever, apt-get install dnsmasq, edit /etc/hosts *only* on the machien it is running on, set your nameserver on each box to that one, done.
09:23.09SickJackenactually, it exits when it has connected
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09:23.22TwistedEmotionsAnyone know what linux equivalent of access diver is?
09:23.44jimTwistedEmotions: access? try some form of odbc maybe
09:23.56jimaccess database. right?
09:24.04TwistedEmotionsjim: heh... wrong access ;)
09:24.05bob2SickJacken: then make it run a command on the other end that blocks
09:24.07Dewivaldyn: my dhcp box is openbsd. so I might have to put something there.
09:24.27looneybird_77590ok dont have it going to install use the apt-get method?
09:24.39jimDewi: possibly that's your best bet
09:24.45Azarlooneybird_77590, what do you think?
09:25.06Dewivaldyn: last time I installed a DNS server in either linux or obsd it did absolutely nothing, unfortunately. I'd rather it just did the dodgy peer-based nmb one
09:25.06valdynDewi: yea, install dnsmasq or something like it there.
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09:25.29SickJackenbob2, that is not the proper way to di it i believe
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09:25.38bob2TwistedEmotions: perhaps if you told us what on earth that was?
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09:25.39valdynDewi: the real nameservers are somewhat more complicated and dont just use /etc/hosts
09:25.41SickJackenthere should be something nice for it
09:25.43jimlooneybird_77590: punctuation man... it's hard to read what you say when sentences run together and there's more than one way to break them up and the different ways produce different meanings..
09:26.18AzarI just wonder what version of debian he has with no debconf or modconf installed...
09:26.20TwistedEmotionsbob2: Errr... kinda didnt want to... used to crack http site secure logins... ;P... for testing purpose on my own site of course.
09:26.26DrShadeThis may be offtopic, if so I am sorry, but might anybody have a theory of reasonable kind on why Xfce (which I love regardless) -requires- Xorg and compositing for basic transparency features, when something like say Fluxbox seems to cope just fine without all that and do basic transparency?
09:27.11bob2TwistedEmotions: that sounds entirely inapproriate for this channel...
09:27.18valdynDrShade: transparancy can obviously be coded in different ways. ( also see enlightenment 17 )
09:27.25bob2fluxbox does not do transparency
09:27.31bob2it does bullshit fake transparency
09:27.40mwilsonDrShade: When did fluxcrap start doing transparency at all?  It's a window manager, and that's all.
09:27.41Azaropenbox does transparency nicely
09:27.49TwistedEmotionsbob2: well... it's not illegal.. but okay ;) thanks anyways.
09:27.52mwilsonDitto for openbox.
09:27.53valdynbob2: where you see the right window instead of the one behind the transparent window?
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09:28.00TwistedEmotionsfluxbox does transparency..
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09:28.03valdynbob2: where you see the root window instead of the one behind the transparent window?
09:28.04bob2valdyn: yes
09:28.13bob2fluxbox does fake transparency, like every other WM
09:28.14mwilsonTwistedEmotions: Oh, really.
09:28.20bob2I'm glad the Xfce people had the sense not to do that
09:28.26looneybird_77590was looking at synaptic package manager.    sorry jim.   have diebian-sarge 3.1 net install with floppies
09:28.47DrShademwilson, by that I mean 'simple' transparency, as in just the menu when you right click desktop, or the taskbar, of which Xfce has both.
09:28.51jimlooneybird_77590: how did the install go?
09:28.52bob2TwistedEmotions: but that's not what is under discussion
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09:29.26TwistedEmotionsmwilson: yeah why?
09:29.30looneybird_77590installed ok.
09:29.34sstacyrwasup everybody
09:29.58looneybird_77590what we r doing right now is trying to get it to act right
09:30.03sstacyris this the debian irc chanel or am i wrong here?
09:30.04TwistedEmotionsbob2: err. I'm tired... ;)
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09:30.09DrShadevaldyn, good point.  (On your obvious methods of coding).
09:30.12valdynsstacyr: /topic
09:30.21mwilsonTwistedEmotions: When did fluxcrap start doing anything other than parent-relativing the root pixmap and blending its menus?
09:30.21TwistedEmotionssstacyr: your in the right place... ask.
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09:31.02mwilsonTwistedEmotions: Oh, that's right... that *is* all fluxcrap does.
09:31.02TwistedEmotionsmwilson: again... difference between translucense and transparency.
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09:31.23mwilsonTwistedEmotions: Of which there isn't one.
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09:31.38mwilsonAh, /ignore
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09:31.44TwistedEmotionsmwilson: ?
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09:31.51valdyn!dict translucense
09:31.52dpkgcould not find definition for translucense
09:31.58valdynTwistedEmotions: ^^^
09:32.02sstacyry is everyone talkin in code
09:32.05DrShadeOh the non-joy of semantical difference.
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09:32.09mwilson!y
09:32.09dpkgi heard y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1.  NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'.
09:32.12TwistedEmotionsmwilson: not my fault you dont know difference.
09:32.29TwistedEmotionsvaldyn: I already said I spelled it wrong..
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09:32.52looneybird_77590while i get modconf, should i go ahead and install  ALSA and Nvidia?
09:32.55jimsstacyr: y = 25
09:33.17sstacyrdoes anybody know any unofficial  APT repositories for amaroK Airborne 1.3.1
09:33.27valdyn!dict translucent
09:33.29dpkgDictionary 'translucent' (2 of 4): 2. Transparent; clear. [Poetic] ``Fountain or fresh current . . . translucent, pure.'' --Milton. ;; Syn: Translucent, Transparent..
09:33.34TwistedEmotions!dict transparent
09:33.37dpkgDictionary 'transparent' (1 of 8): Transparent \Trans*par"ent\, a. [F., from LL. transparens, -entis, p. pr. of transparere to be transparent; L. trans across, through + parere to appear. See Appear.] 1. Having the property of transmitting rays of light, so that bodies can be distinctly seen through; pervious to light; diaphanous; pellucid; as, transparent glass; a transparent diamond; -- opposed to opaque. ``Transparent elemental air.'' ...
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09:34.15jimsstacyr: what results does google for "apt repository airborne 1.3.1" give you?
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09:34.29mwilsonvaldyn: You have to understand how important it is to people like him, that they invent their own terminology for common things.  Thus, they look especially intelligent when no one knows what they're talking about.
09:34.46jim(don't put the quotes, you probably won't get hits)
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09:34.55sstacyrPeople asking the same question with no aswers........
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09:35.25TwistedEmotionsmwilson: What the fuck is your problem chump? You started with the challenge... so either deal with fucking being wrong or fuck off...
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09:35.39SickJacken...if i execute my "ssh -1 -N -L localport:host:hostport -l username connecthost" it works...if i want to do it in the background by adding &....it dies on me after it logs onto 'connecthost'
09:35.42SickJackenow can this be
09:35.44rosemaryI installed xfce and looks like I have used all disk space.  Can I log in failsafe and delte some stuff to be able to use the box?
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09:35.54valdynTwistedEmotions: he ignored you, dict disagrees with you, I think this is settled..
09:36.06jimsstacyr: so GET the answers.
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09:36.22TwistedEmotionsvaldyn: use a REAL dictionary... doesnt disagree with me.
09:36.31mwilsonvaldyn: Oh, is he still going on?
09:36.35valdynsstacyr: what is that software?
09:36.35zamolxesfuckety fuck
09:36.37valdynmwilson: yeaa
09:36.39DrShaderosemary, can't login as root either?
09:36.42Azarlate night jitters?
09:36.42looneybird_77590back in a few
09:36.49bob2TwistedEmotions: stop it
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09:37.09TwistedEmotionsbob2: I didnt start it.. ;P wtf... he started the shit and he keeps pushing it..
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09:37.27bob2you're the one continuing it
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09:37.32rosemaryDrShade: didn't try it.  The error message ends with the words "no space left on device" - I'm assuming this means I need to get rid of some files?
09:37.55TwistedEmotionsbob2: valdyn: mwilson: Oh, is he still going on?  mwilson valdyn: You have to understand how important it is to people like him, that they invent their own terminology for common things.  Thus, they look especially intelligent when no one knows what they're talking about.
09:37.59drc_how can I see the connections forwarded trough my box, I tried netstat -M but it said I don't have ip_masq module
09:38.00Gathondrosemary: you probably need to make some space available yes
09:38.05bob2TwistedEmotions: stop. it.
09:38.11bob2I'm not going to be polite again
09:38.31DrShaderosemary, superuser is allocated a percentage of 'set aside' space from what I know if you cannot even log in to the system?
09:38.38bob2drc_: I think that's 2.2-days...there's a top-like program for iptables, let me check...
09:38.53TwistedEmotionsbob2: you really want to kick ban me for trying to help go ahead. I've been here everyday for past like 6 months.. I didnt start it.. didn't escalate it.
09:38.54drc_bob2: I have 2.6
09:39.04drc_bob2: oh, ok, thanks
09:39.08bob2TwistedEmotions: for fuck's sake
09:39.09zamolxesTwistedEmotions: you have to understand that every dictionary on this planet will say those two are synonims. check webster, check wordnet, check whatever you want
09:39.19rosemaryDrShade: I get a message suggesting log in failsafe mode, can't get past the user log in
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09:39.31jethro88/win15
09:39.56Azargood evening mr jethro
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09:40.06DrShaderosemary, try logging in as root
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09:40.26rosemaryDrShade: I tried that just now
09:40.30DrShadeDoh.
09:40.34jethroAzar: Mon Sep 12 11:40:20 CEST 2005 << I wish it were the evening and I could sleep
09:40.50bob2drc_: iptstate
09:41.05jm_that won't catch regular forwarded packets
09:41.06rosemaryDrShade: told me administrator can't log in there
09:41.10drc_bob2: ok, thanks. Im gonan test it now :)
09:41.15rosemaryand to use failsafe
09:41.16TwistedEmotionszamolxes: maybe... dude... only think I know is that I have read the man on the see through bs.. They distinguish between the two. I dont know why.. but they do.
09:41.23TwistedEmotions*thing
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09:41.46drc_bob2: I don't have it already, so gonna check if it's on apt
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09:41.55DrShadeI don't understand, why is superuser allocated such and such % space in the file system and not allowed to login to a system with a full file system?  If that makes any sense.
09:42.19valdynDrShade: who is not allowed to log in? root? hardly
09:42.21jimthat shouldn't make sense...
09:42.32Azarjethro, ah different time zone then
09:42.40yaboohi just compiled my own kernel for debian. but when I boot I get Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) and also asks Please append a correct "root=" boot options
09:42.40jimmaybe you're not allowed as root for a different reason/in a different way
09:42.48yaboowhat am I missing out?
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09:42.58rosemaryI guess if I try failsafe it will let me do root maybe - I am pretty knew still to this
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09:43.05zamolxesTwistedEmotions: maybe the guys aren't native English speakers. A manpage isn't a semantical authority you know
09:43.26valdynDrShade: secondly if a full filesystem makes it impossible to log in then its probably b/c logging in cannot be done on a full fs, not b/c its disallowed.
09:43.29TwistedEmotionszamolxes: not saying it is.. just telling you what I read..
09:43.40Gathondyaboo: you probably forgot to add the support required to use your root filesystem, or you might have messed up the root argument in the bootloader
09:43.41mwilsonyaboo: Did you build into your kernel support for the device your root fs is on and for the type of filesystem that root fs is?
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09:44.01yaboomwilson yes to those questions
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09:44.05jimyaboo: that means the kernel failed to mount the / partition, probably because it's missing support for either the chipset of the disk controller or the file system type that's on the / partition
09:44.09drc_bob2: it works well, thank you once again!
09:44.26mwilsonyaboo: You built it in, or you made it modules?
09:44.31DrShadevaldyn, well, I didn't know it to be possible to technically fill a file system, taking into consideration the allocated superuser space.
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09:44.35yaboojim thank you will look into it
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09:44.48jimthere are two ways to approach that... one, compile all stuff necessary to mount / into the kernel... second, compile them as modules and build an initrd image
09:45.01zamolxesTwistedEmotions: well you were the one babling about 'REAL dictionaries' as oposed to faux dictionaries we apparently use
09:45.05valdynDrShade: root can fill it, if for some reason your logs grow extremely then that can happen quite easily.
09:45.12jimthe former being easier at compile time
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09:45.40DrShadevaldyn, I did not think of that.
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09:46.34TwistedEmotionszamolxes: Okay.. Im right.. Your wrong.. either way point was missed by far...
09:46.46DrShaderosemary, keep us updated ;)
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09:47.09jimbut with the former you have to KNOW what hardware you have
09:47.13rosemaryAttempt to log in failsafe mode gives me "Cannot find xterm to start failsafe"
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09:47.39zamolxesanyway, It's stupid, they're just colored pixels and programs that try to get a transparent effect , some better, some worse. there is no 'true' translucence or shit like that, it's software not optics
09:47.40valdynrosemary: you should fix stuff not in X but hit ctrl-alt-f1 and log in there
09:47.59jimrosemary: at this point, is there something you can do in plain console mode? (I'm jumping in here not knowing what's wrong at all...)
09:47.59SubvertirHi, I know this isn't the appropriate place to ask, but does anyone here have experience with Cygwin?
09:48.10jima little
09:48.30Subvertirjim, re: cygwin?
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09:48.44valdyn!tell Subvertir about ask
09:48.49valdyn!tell Subvertir -about smart questions
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09:49.00[BSP]_Black_SpidMy problem is: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory! Anybody?
09:49.01Subvertir!tell valdyn about leave me alone
09:49.05jimmaybe you should just ask your question :) so far we can't tell what you want
09:49.12rosemaryAttempt to login failsafe gnome gives me " This is the default Failsafe Gnome session.   You will be logged into the "default" session of gnome with no startup scripts run.  This is the only way to fix problems in your installation".  I've never used gnome, so wonder if I'll be able to do anything when I get there.
09:49.13Subvertirsh.exe is crashing
09:49.21Subvertirand I'm just experiencing a lot of general oddness from my installation.
09:49.32mwilsonwtf is "sh.exe"?
09:49.35Azarthat is an interesting topic: overgrown logs blocking access to root...
09:49.36Dewimwilson: sh
09:49.39Subvertirbash, mwilson
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09:49.42Dewimwilson: isn't that obvious?
09:49.45DrShaderosemary, should be, login and delete/uninstall some stuff.
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09:49.56DewiSubvertir: I use cygwin a bit. Never had crashes of that sort.
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09:50.00dondelelcarosh should be a symlink to the default shell, not a shell itself.
09:50.02valdyn!cygwin
09:50.02dpkgCygwin is a posix environment for windows, running (among many programs) bash and gcc. Availiable from http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/mirrors.html, or for a fast mirror, use ftp://ftp.leguin.org.uk/pub/mirrors/cygwin
09:50.05Azarcan the logs be made so they can flush an excess automatically?
09:50.21Dewidondelelcaro: windows doesn't have symlinks
09:50.22jimSubvertir: have you ruled out the possibility you're having some hardware stability issues?
09:50.22SubvertirI guess I'll try reinstalling it...
09:50.39Subvertirjim, Well, if that's the case, it hasn't manifested itself in anything else
09:50.40jimfor example you might run a ram checker
09:50.41valdynAzar: overgrown logs wouldnt block access to root iirc
09:50.45rosemaryvaldyn: and jim I installed xfce using package manager and my first log in attempt gave message about no space on device and to log in using failsafe mode
09:50.45dondelelcaroDewi: well, that's someone else's problem, not ours...
09:50.47Subvertirand Cygwin is far from the most intense program I run
09:50.50DrShadeAzar, logs should never block access to root, a set percentage is set aside for root.
09:50.56SubvertirI'll look into that though
09:51.02Azarvaldyn I guess then I misunderstood rosemary's issue
09:51.15valdynrosemary: if you dont have xterm installed then failsafe is rather useless, just log in via console as i said above..
09:51.18Dewidondelelcaro: not really. interoperability is important.
09:51.25SubvertirThanks for your time guys.
09:51.46valdynrosemary: beside that logging in as root is simply disabled by default in X, so that would be out of the question.
09:51.50jimrosemary: ok... do you see a graphical screen? wait, first: are you here on the same machine booted into a different os?
09:51.59DrShadeI'm totally lost.
09:52.04DrShadeFind me please.
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09:52.13jimyou're THERE!
09:52.16SubvertirDrShade, me too
09:52.23SubvertirI've been having so much computer trouble lately
09:52.27jimyou're there TOO!
09:52.37Subvertirit seems liek whenever I start to get in my groove and get productive my boxen shit the bed
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09:52.50Azar:)
09:52.55dondelelcaroDewi: interoperability with real operating systems, yes; things that don't have basic POSIX features aren't worth worrying about.
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09:53.16SubvertirMy life would be so much easer if MS had finished the posix subsystem in NT.
09:53.19Azarok so who found out rosemary's problem, what was? how it can be fixed?
09:53.22valdynSubvertir: you likely have better chances for help in #cygwin or some widnows support channel
09:53.33Subvertirvaldyn, I tried them
09:53.50Subvertirwindows users tell me to reinstall =)
09:54.06rosemaryI'm using a kvm switch with two machines, the second has debian3.1, xchat on another box.  I have now logged in using Ctrl Alt F1, but what is next?  How do I know what I can safely delete?
09:54.08valdynAzar: by logging in as root from a console.
09:54.08Eiscremeanyone here running icecast?
09:54.09yaboomwilson the driver is built in and still fail's with the same error
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09:54.34valdynrosemary: apt-get remove <somepackages>
09:54.43valdyn!remove kde
09:54.43dpkgwell, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde")
09:54.45Azarvaldyn, ah, oh I remember that first trhill too
09:54.56valdynrosemary: ^^ that would help if you had kde installed ;)
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09:55.19yaboomwilson, jim the error at tje beginning is VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)
09:55.24hiuxwhich font can display the phonetic symbol?
09:56.01rosemaryyes I had kde installed and wanted to use xfce as less demanding
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09:56.10hiuxmy stardict can't display soundmark correctly. maybe i miss some fonts
09:56.22valdynrosemary: so just do what dpkg told you, that would free alot
09:56.31rosemaryis there a space between kdelibs3 and kdelibs4
09:56.41valdynrosemary: yes
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09:56.55rosemaryvaldyn: yes just want to make sure I get the command correct
09:57.02rosemarythanks
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09:57.58DrShadeEiscreme, I tried out Icecast a ways ago.
09:58.00DrShadeGrr.
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09:58.12hiuxdisplay it like this:*[spl??]
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09:58.22jimyaboo: does it say anything about why it can't mount /? ,,, but likely, it is because you're missing kernel code that is used to mount your specific /
09:58.23JohnFluxMy /var/log/messages says "Sep 11 16:33:27 geola kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 24020 (procmail)."  and says that every few seconds
09:58.25rosemaryokay it's busy doing that now thanks, and will give me 311Mb
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09:58.36valdynJohnFlux: so?
09:58.42JohnFluxvaldyn: ....
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09:58.56JohnFluxvaldyn: people are complaining they aren't recieving some emails
09:58.59JohnFluxbut get others
09:59.03jimrosemary: you might look into a second drive and lvm :)
09:59.03mithrowhats a good dvd burning utility for gnome?
09:59.10mithro(that has a debian package)
09:59.19JohnFluxvaldyn: it seems like an email is causing procmail to crash
09:59.27valdynJohnFlux: it means that your memory was full and the kernel could either lock up or delete a process to free space
09:59.31rosemaryI have to head off to work almost immediately - so hopefully this will give me back a graphical log in (which was still there) and I can log in using xfce
09:59.34jimmithro: it's gotta be a utility...
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09:59.42valdynJohnFlux: where lockup would probably be much worse..
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09:59.48mithrojim: s/utility/program
09:59.54jimit's gotta be for gnome (I mean, it does, right?)
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10:00.14rosemaryjim - I have been thinking about putting a larger drive into it anyway, but people said it would be big enough to try debian with
10:00.14jimit's gotta do dvd burning...
10:00.18JohnFluxValandil: right, but why would procmail start using up 1/2 GB of memory
10:00.25valdynJohnFlux: add ram to your machine, or add swap if you dont have plenty, or make sure less memory intense tasks get to run
10:00.26jimand finally! it's GOTTA be GOOD!!
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10:00.41JohnFluxvaldyn: there's already 1/2gb free hmm
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10:00.43looneybird_77590do i run  "modconf" in a root terminal?
10:00.47jimrosemary: and that's probably true.
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10:00.57subvertirjim, let's not set the bar too high - not sucking completely is probably good enough =P
10:00.58valdynJohnFlux: free where? in swap?
10:00.59mithrojim: well use gtk or gnome utilities
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10:01.38jimmithro: howbout if it just uses x? or, howbout if you could use the underlying command line utility?
10:01.45rosemaryjim but I used kde until just recently, which of course is resource gobbling.  I also have icewm which I can get rid of I guess
10:01.50JohnFluxValandil: about 400MB free in main, 200 in swap
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10:02.09Azarlooneybird_77590 any kind of system administration work you do for your system it has to be in root terminal, administrative work: compiling, upgrading, installing, configurations yes yes yes
10:02.22mwilsonAzar: Since when?
10:02.31valdynJohnFlux: if that memory is really literally free then that just means that either many or one huge process just stopped or died, linux doesnt keep ram free at all.
10:02.41Azarmwilson this is how I thought it has to be done
10:02.44mithrojim: just want something simple - kind of like nero express for linux
10:02.46ValandilJohnFlux: You don't mean _me_
10:02.46Azarunless using sudo
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10:03.10valdyn!free ram
10:03.10dpkgMost modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs.  If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'.
10:03.11Azarwhich shamefully I never use..
10:03.13subvertirmake && su -c "make install"
10:03.15CountZanyone knows what the S means here: Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU - S
10:03.23jimmithro: I've been using a really old thing, called xcdroast... it is a wrapper for a command line utility called cdrecord
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10:03.39jimSSSSSSSSSSSSimple?
10:03.42CountZ:-)
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10:04.00jimSSSSSSSSagitarious?
10:04.26looneybird_77590i understand.  to many years with windows.
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10:04.46subvertircdrecord is actually pretty nice
10:05.00bob2except the author is a crackpot
10:05.01jim(that's the sagitaryness when your foot sags down and falls asleep...)
10:05.02subvertirOnce you figure out what cmd line options you want to use 99% of the time, alias it to 'burn'
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10:05.06kenkbob2: or is it 2 boobs? very flat ones too. that is what you have instead of a brain. for goodness sake, stand up and reason things out like a man, if you think you are one. banning people from the chat is not going to solve your problem.
10:05.21looneybird_77590now windows has too much garbage in it
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10:05.28subvertirbob2, yeah the device specification thing makes me want to pull my hair out every time I mess with it
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10:05.47Azarlooneybird_77590, sorry if I sounded ugly, and mwilson is right, but I just told you that because I do everything from root console when I am upgrading and installing
10:05.59jimyou might as well keep your +o if you're going to battle the bots for awhile
10:06.21bob2it's not a bot
10:06.25jimoic
10:06.26bob2it's an idiot former-semi-staffer
10:06.33bob2who has some massive axe to grind
10:06.34Sebo"Kernel panic - not sycying: VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" I've got debian/woody, GRUB, one partition with ReiserFS (one for boot&root), kernel 2.6.13.1 with compiled in ReiserFS suport (=y). What to do??
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10:06.45bob2Sebo: miscompiled kernel
10:06.46subvertirStrictly speaking though, it's not necessary to become root until you want to 'make install' for all users. There's nothing at all preventing you from specifying ~ as your prefix and adding ~/bin to your path, and never becoming root at all.
10:06.49jimhope he don't drop it on his foot!
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10:06.54DrShaderosemary, if I may make a suggestion...I don't believe the newest stable version of Xfce is in the default Debian dist locations, I would recommend updating to 4.2.2 - you can find that on www.xfce.org in the Debian section for the download of Xfce, there's a link to a page which links to a page which has a uri to add to /etc/apt/sources.list and you can nab 4.2.2 - that's a whole nother ballgame tho.
10:06.58bob2subvertir: go back and check it has your IDE/scsi controller built in
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10:07.24bob2er
10:07.25subvertirMatter of factly, I'd advise that you do so (and include ~/bin in your path before every other bin directory) for non-Debian software
10:07.26bob2Sebo:
10:07.29jimgrub works with reiser?
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10:07.38valdynjim: yes
10:07.39jimI know it has some problem with xfs
10:07.41zamolxesSebo: do you use initrd by any chance?
10:07.42looneybird_77590thats ok   i am new to linux.   spent the last 2 weeks searching pages.  "headache"
10:07.45Sebobob2 What does it mean? 'miscompiled kernel'??
10:07.45jimor was that solved?
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10:08.04subvertirlooneybird_77590, What exactly are you trying to do?
10:08.05valdynjim: grub + reiser seems to work flawless
10:08.15ericfhow to make a /dev filesystem if you don't have one? I get kernel-panic at bootup.
10:08.15bob2Sebo: when you compiled it, you made a mistake in the configuration
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10:08.38jimSebo: probably left something out you needed
10:08.41valdynericf: it just complains about missing /dev/console i think..
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10:09.05ericfvaldyn: yes, I believe so, but it's fatal :)
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10:09.13subvertirericf, I believe you can specify an argument to the kernel to not use devfs, then boot with a normal static /dev and fix things from there
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10:09.20subvertirI don't remember what the arg is though.
10:09.22DrShadeJohnFlux, you still around?  What was the conclusion?
10:09.24SeboOk but what? mastake :] ? GRUB suports ReiserFS = my old kerlner lounchs :P
10:09.52ericfsubvertir: I booted now, from a different partition, but I'd like to know how to fix it, now
10:09.54valdynericf: mount the fs, mkdir /dev, mknod console c 5 1
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10:10.00Zero_KelvinCya's
10:10.00jimSebo: you must include in the kernel whatever is necessary to mount /
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10:10.07rosemaryokay thanks people that worked - I am now logged in with I GUESS GNOME - SHOULD BE ABLE TO MUDDLE MY WAY ON NOW.
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10:10.23DrShaderosemary, grab 4.2.2 ;)
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10:10.27ericfvaldyn: ah, ok, thanks. And is the rest automatically generated at bootup or something?
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10:10.40valdynericf: you probably use udev, then yes
10:10.45jimIf I carry you over the puddle, would you be more apt to muddle?
10:10.48subvertirAhh, maybe I misunderstood. I thought he was using udev or devfs.
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10:10.59subvertirAnd the userspace was fubar'd somehow
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10:11.10looneybird_77590just installed  debian-sarge 3.1   need to upgrade kernel  install ALSA and Nvidia
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10:11.27subvertirlooneybird_77590, You want to run a 2.6 series kernel?
10:11.28rosemaryDrShade:not sure what version I have - used the package manger - have to run now so will check it out tomorrow when I get home
10:11.35ericfvaldyn: Thanks, I'll try it with a reboot now :)
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10:11.46Azarlooneybird_77590, if you are new here are some online new user manuals maybe of some help for you: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/index.html#contents   http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.en.html#contents  http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt
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10:11.57DrShaderosemary, okay :)  But, try and get 4.2.2 - it's alot more polished - www.xfce.org has links and info :)  Good luck.
10:12.16Azarlooneybird_77590, for nvidia study the 3rd link first
10:12.16rosemaryDrShade: I just add the link to that file using vi or something?
10:12.26jimI wouldn't be subtle to carry you over a puddle...
10:12.31valdynlooneybird_77590: that's in the faq
10:12.32DrShaderosemary, one moment if you can allow.
10:12.48subvertirlooneybird_77590, I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but to set up the nvidia drivers I just install the appropriate kernel-headers package and run their binary installer.
10:12.50rosemaryDrShade: okay
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10:13.06jimwould this be our axegrinder?
10:13.08Azarlooneybird_77590, alsa is a little hard but eventually will get running, you have to be familiar with sound modules to see what you have, and replace them with what you need
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10:13.10subvertirYou do have to repeat the nvidia setup process when you change kernels, but I do so once every year or two
10:13.18valdynsubvertir: and that is quite prone to breakage and does not work on amd64 at all.
10:13.26DrShaderosemary, http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/
10:13.28subvertirI can't speak for amd64
10:13.36DrShaderosemary, has what you need.
10:13.38Azarsubvertir, looneybird_77590 is new at this
10:13.48subvertirI realize that guys
10:13.52yaboojim, mwilson compile literally every chipset option in the kernel and still no go
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10:14.02subvertirI'm not saying my method is in any way better, just that it seems a lot more straightforward to me
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10:14.06rosemaryDrShade: okay thanks bookmarked it
10:14.07looneybird_77590piece by piece  will figure it out
10:14.11rosemarybye and thanks again for the help
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10:14.28SeboSo whwer shuld i look for this mestake??
10:14.32Azarsubvertir, I have 3 years on Debian and I am still thick... some terminology kills me
10:14.42jimyaboo: ok... if previous kernel worked, boot that and do (1) lspci and (2) dmesg; see why it works if you can
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10:14.59SeboSo where* shuld i look for this mestake??
10:15.00yaboojim done that and have the same
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10:15.10jimyaboo: what kind of file system is there? you must also support the file system type
10:15.14yaboobut old kernel is 2.4.27 and new kernel is 2.6.13
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10:15.19bob2Sebo: as above, you didn't compile your IDE or SCSI controller into the kernewl
10:15.25yaboojim compile file systems into kernel
10:15.33bob2Sebo: the simplest solution is to just not use your kernel; a Debian one will work fine
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10:15.43valdynSebo: your kernel has no driver for reiser compiled in and/or no suitable disk controlller driver, or the device you gave it is just wrong.
10:15.46jimit sounds like you're doing everything right...
10:15.49subvertirI've honestly forgotten how to troubleshoot the vast majority of problems I run into on Linux, and I think that's about the biggest credit you can give to a distro
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10:16.06subvertirwhen something goes wrong so rarely that you're left scratching your head
10:16.32zamolxessubvertir: maybe you should actually use the operating system instead of fixing it? :)
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10:16.38DrShadeHehe
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10:16.51subvertirExactly what I do zamolxes
10:16.51SeboBut I'e compiled all IDE' kontlorers and i dont have any SCSI :]
10:16.55zamolxesjust a thought
10:17.22valdyn!bunk 2.6
10:17.22dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages.  Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>.
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10:17.31zamolxesthat has to be the worse misspelling i ever saw
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10:17.36valdynSebo: why woody ?
10:17.42earlygreyhi
10:17.42jimsebo: what kind of file system is on / ? you must also support the file system type
10:17.51tonsofpcsit's /., not /?
10:18.02tonsofpcs:)
10:18.11valdyntonsofpcs: eh?
10:18.17tonsofpcslol
10:18.22SeboReiserFS << And i compiled it in my kerlner :] =y
10:18.23jimtonsofpcs: look again; that's just a piece of dirt :)
10:18.30tonsofpcsjim - heh :)
10:18.31mwilsonHe's just trying to be clueless.
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10:18.53zamolxes:] =y
10:18.55zamolxeswtf is that?
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10:19.06tonsofpcskerlner?
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10:19.25zamolxestonsofpcs: kontlorers
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10:19.35tonsofpcszamolxes - ah, ok :)
10:19.38jimcontrollers, I think he means
10:20.00SeboI'll try to find more HOWto's :P bye
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10:20.18subvertirI think Sebo was just drunk.
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10:20.34jimok, which one of you drank sebo?!
10:20.40subvertir=D
10:20.50tonsofpcsjim - peer did
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10:21.21AzarI used to drink when I was learning to use Debian woody, just to encourage myself
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10:21.32zamolxesuh
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10:21.45Azarwhat I got in exchange: high blood pressure
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10:21.56jimheh :) if it took a lot of encouraging, that coulda caused one hell of a hangover
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10:22.46AzarI remember my first installation: I was sweating and shaking, felt terrorized that I might make a mistake
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10:23.51jimwas that when I was trying to help?
10:23.51Azar...then that triggered my reinstall syndrome
10:23.51DrShadeI have a question - in an older 3.0x Debian install it advised giving X a 'nice' value of -10, but said that the 2.6 kernel did not need that for some reason.  I don't remember having that option of setting the nice value for X in the install of 3.1 but sure enough X's nice value is -10 and I'm running 2.6 - does it make a difference at all?
10:23.51Azarjim, no someone was guiding me online
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10:23.54jimreinstalling a lot at first can be a good thing... after that, you can help others install
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10:24.14jimand you can get familiar with the installer too
10:24.15concept10How do I configure Audioscrobbler with xmms or bmp?  do I need last.fm player?
10:24.17bob2DrShade: not a measurable one
10:24.27Azarjim, yes with the exception that I only specialized in woody install... then upgrading to sarge
10:24.35bob2DrShade: the theory is that 2.6's scheduler is smart enough to rank X up if needed, without being given the "nice" hint
10:24.50DrShadebob2, okay, good :)
10:24.52jimdid it turn out the sarge installer didn't work for you?
10:24.53subvertirAnd I'll testify to it working pretty damn well.
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10:25.19Azarjim, no the only reason is that I only have the woody CDs I do not do netinstall, network issues
10:25.39jimthat's right, I remember now
10:25.46nicerguybob2: since i can't reason with you, i'll use the type of language your kind understand most. bob2, fuck you, son-of-a-bitch. fuck all your family members. my advice to you is to accept your mistake. this is not the only channel and you are not the only volunteer. get out of this cocoon and see how others operate.
10:25.47asuffield_DrShade: actually, setting a negative nice value on the X server in 2.6 confuses the scheduler quite badly and causes the system to respond jerkily
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10:25.59asuffield_so don't do it
10:26.04DrShadeasuffield, such was my fear.
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10:26.33asuffield_the kernel thinks that the X server is more important than anything else, and gives it processing time at the expense of the applications - which makes it suck
10:26.39zamolxesheh family members
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10:26.53jm_that reminds me to find staircase CPU scheduler for 2.6.13 so that it'll work nicely again as opposed to its crappy default one
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10:27.03DrShadeasuffield, pardon my ignorance, but how is the X server's 'nice' value configured on startup?  Or where should I say - so I can change that ;)
10:27.06jimif your system starts responding jerkily... learn your stuff by attending berkily
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10:27.47asuffield_DrShade: /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
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10:28.07looneybird_77590ok this  "modconnifty.  modconf = no more websearch 4 windows drivers
10:28.08valdynDrShade: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common
10:28.11bob2timgoh0: hi there
10:28.28timgoh0bob2: Hi. Have we been formally introduced?
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10:28.42asuffield_either way works
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10:28.59DrShadeThanks you two :)
10:29.03Azarlooneybird_77590, personally I never heard of such
10:29.06jimmaybe formerly introduced...
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10:29.19candlelightwow, that almost blocks the whole country
10:29.40Azarwhatever .sg means
10:29.41timgoh0bob2: I am having problems recollecting meeting you. It's probably because of the lack of coffee.
10:29.49jimsaigon?
10:29.51dondelelcarocandlelight: there are only a few people from that ISP... so it's not that big of a deal.
10:29.55PfatedSingapore, actually.
10:29.57DrShadeSo I should set it to 0 correct for a 2.6 kernel correct?
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10:30.00DrShadeErr
10:30.00Azarwow too far away
10:30.01DrShadeHeh
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10:30.13shingouzAzar: no it's not
10:30.18RichiH¶/w 30
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10:31.49Azarmaybe registration could be an answer to minor annoyances
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10:32.39bob2the person that ban is for is registered
10:32.40looneybird_77590pc i am on right now belongs to office where i work.  it had problems and a lot of garbage.  reformatted HD and installed win98.  spent most of the night  hunting down the drivers for it
10:32.50bob2and identified
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10:33.14timgoh0bob2: I may know who that person is IRL. At least i have a nagging suspicion who it is.
10:33.15Azarthen nick b could be helping
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10:33.32bob2timgoh0: ah
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10:33.45bob2timgoh0: sorry for bothering you, just a coincidence
10:33.46dondelelcaroAzar: we've already gone after at least 5 different nick/ip combinations already
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10:34.06dondelelcaroAzar: after a certain point, adding +e's for the people who actually can't get in is easier.
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10:34.19timgoh0bob2: Believe me, he IS that annoying in real life.
10:34.24PfatedAnd then of course he could switch ISPs, causing mine and timgoh0's ISP to get banninated too. Whee.
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10:34.39dondelelcaro*shrug*; +e's are easy enough to put in.
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10:34.53AzarPfated but an !exception can be added
10:34.53PfatedFair enough.
10:34.54josemariahola
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10:35.35timgoh0And how are we going to tell the channel about exceptions when we are unable to join it?
10:35.41josemariadime algo
10:35.44Azar!sp for josemaria
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10:35.47Pfatedtimgoh0: /msg
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10:35.54timgoh0Pfated: Ah.
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10:36.12josemariahola comoteba
10:36.17Azar!sp
10:36.17dpkgsp is, like, troubled: you stats pimp!
10:36.22PfatedIf you're regged, which I know you are, you can /msg the staffers.
10:36.27Azar!es
10:36.27dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:36.53josemariacomotebaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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10:38.18bob2josemaria: please stop it
10:38.21asuffield_didn't you get the message? scram
10:38.28bob2josemaria:  Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
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10:38.58AzarI guess josemaria is so drunk he closed his connection
10:39.06ivenshm...how can i change the resolution of x under kde?
10:39.11choatruemay b
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10:39.27asuffield_that should fix him
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10:39.36bob2can mortals set bans like that?
10:39.43asuffield_I sure seem to manage
10:39.53ivensno
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10:40.01dondelelcarobob2: yeah, shouldn't be a problem.
10:40.07ivensthey need at least +h modes in this channel...
10:40.34asuffield_assuming that nobody breaks the forwarding code like they broke the other stuff...
10:40.53shingouzivens: they have enough power, believe me
10:41.03ivenswho?
10:41.15shingouzthe ones who discuss the matter of +b
10:41.20shingouz;)
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10:41.30ivensyeah, but they aren't mortals ;)
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10:42.02DrShadeThanks for the 'nice' tip gang.
10:42.08looneybird_77590ok  kernel/drivers/md   (multiple disks (raid)  )   I install this if i have more then 1 harddrive?
10:42.09bombguys i need "jackd -d oss" to be run when i login as user, is it possible to add something like this to ~/.bash_profile?
10:42.43bob2looneybird_77590: no
10:42.52bob2looneybird_77590: it's for combining multiple disks into one
10:42.56Cokebomb: why wouldn't it be?
10:43.01looneybird_77590ok
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10:43.04dondelelcarobomb: or .bashrc or whatever, yes.
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10:43.24bombCoke: how should i know? that's why i am asking
10:43.43bombi've only used ~/.bash_profile for setting environment variables
10:43.54bombok dondelelcaro thanks
10:44.14dondelelcarobomb: although, you may want to stick it in ~/.xsession or similar unless you want it running when you log in remotely
10:44.18Cokebomb: OK, well, those files are sourced like any others so they basically work like any other BASH script.
10:44.20dondelelcaro(or if you don't use X...)
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10:44.43bombi need X, jackd needs to be started for this dj mixing app i just compiled
10:44.56bombbasically i don't want to have to open a term and start jackd every time
10:45.32Azarlooneybird_77590 try not to select the most you see there, just select the strict driver modules for hardware you are using: the most important ones like network ethernet card, sound  card, video card, mouse, keyboard. Anything that does not sound like your hardware, leave unchecked.
10:45.40Cokebomb: .xsession (or .xinitrc if you are running some older setup) works the same way as .bashrc, but for X.
10:46.01looneybird_77590understand
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10:46.33bombok, cheers.
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10:46.41Cokelooneybird_77590: compiling your own kernel for the first time?
10:46.53Azarlooneybird_77590, for your video pick "nv" for now, later on after you learn how to compile your nvidia driver you will be told to change that.
10:46.55looneybird_77590yes
10:47.29Cokelooneybird_77590: if you can, print the output of lspci so you have a list of your common hardware, then you can just check them off as you go through the kernel options.
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10:47.32AzarCoke is a precompiled one from Sarge, he only need to brush the modconf a bit tho
10:47.36RoundQubehello all
10:47.37Cokeah.
10:47.47Cokelooneybird_77590: ok, nevermind my advice.
10:48.07ricky_clarksonAre all the 2.6 kernels available in sid usable?
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10:48.25Cokericky_clarkson: they would include an unusable kernel?
10:48.26RoundQubeI am trying to console into a cisco router and I have /dev/ttyS0 device in that directory but attempts to run minicom and/or setserial /dev/ttyS0 -v autoconfig return "/dev/ttyS0: no such device or address". Any ideas?
10:48.35ricky_clarksonCoke: They might not know it at the time. ;)
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10:48.49Cokericky_clarkson: oh, "sid".
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10:48.52RoundQube/dev/ttyS0 has proper permissions and my user is in the 'dialout' group (root, dialout)
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10:48.58jm_just use minicom on ttyS0 with the right settings
10:48.59Cokericky_clarkson: I don't know why, but I thought "stable"... hrm.
10:49.02cosmicbaby1982hello. is anybody here who can help me ... im from germany
10:49.34RoundQubejm_: i ran minicom -s and set /dev/ttyS0 and all the correct speeds/flow control, still minicom and setserial return no such device or address
10:49.47jm_RoundQube: is there a driver handling it?
10:49.57RoundQubealthough dmesg | grep ttyS   does not return anything, could it be possible i dont have it configured in the kernel?
10:50.25jm_yes
10:50.35jm_kernel should mention it, but also look in /proc/devices
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10:51.35RoundQubecat /proc/devices | grep tty returns  ttyp, tty and /dev/tty
10:51.37RoundQubehmm
10:51.41cosmicbaby1982is anybody here who can speak german?????
10:51.48jm_your kernel doesn't have support for it
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10:52.16Ancilliushi, can anyone suggest me a good virus scanner that is capable to clean my windows partition from linux (both installed parallel)? I found so much (BitDefenter, AntiVir, ...)
10:52.19RoundQubejm_: do you know what to grep for in the .config? i hate hunting through the menuconfig for it
10:52.23ricky_clarkson!de
10:52.23dpkgit has been said that de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes...
10:52.34RoundQubeserial didn't show up anything when i ran cat .config | grep serial
10:52.39looneybird_77590if i add a driver should i remove the other one? or leave it for the time being
10:52.47cosmicbaby1982thx dpkg
10:52.47bob2Ancillius: the bigger issue is that linux can't write to NTFS
10:53.00jm_RoundQube: yes
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10:53.08Ancilliusbob2, oh i cared for that, installed on fat32 only ;)
10:53.10Azarlooneybird_77590, before you rush to install nvidia, make sure you read this tutorial, it helped me a lot to understand the way it goes : http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt
10:53.19CokeAncillius: remove the entire Windows partition? :)
10:53.34AncilliusCoke,yeah, thats what I though, no thats not an option..
10:53.53looneybird_77590no rush on nvidia
10:54.01Azarlooneybird_77590, like what for example, what driver?
10:54.02CokeAncillius: ok, normally Debian users don't bother with that virus crap. some even consider Windows some sort of virus. :)
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10:55.17ricky_clarksonAncillius: Backup your data then reinstall Windows.
10:55.23jm_RoundQube: use search in menuconfig
10:55.53RoundQubejm_: im compiling it as a module instead, going to try it now. thanks
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10:55.57ricky_clarksonAncillius: That way Windows will start and then you can use Windows scanners to check your data.
10:55.57AncilliusCoke, in fact, I do so ;) But anyways, as long as I cannot get the Microphone on my headset working with linux (using teamspeak) i still need windows... The Mic is way to quiet. Even set to 100% (aumix)
10:56.04RoundQubei guess its just modprobe serial_core ?
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10:56.13jm_should be called serial
10:56.18subvertirI feel so incredibly stupid, studying for the ASVAB. Makes me truly regret getting stoned and sleeping through algebra.
10:56.21RoundQubeok thanks
10:56.26looneybird_77590more interested in getting access to sound,floppy, cdrom and other harddrive at the moment.  will worry about nvidia and cam after that
10:57.11ricky_clarksonAncillius: Is your mic plugged in to line in or microphone?
10:57.25AncilliusI only have mic input
10:57.34ricky_clarksonNo yellow socket?
10:57.35Azarlooneybird_77590 some drivers are automatically recognized and checked for you change options with care
10:57.41Ancilliusnope its a laptop
10:58.06AncilliusAnd its got the mic-sign on the plug
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10:58.59Azarlooneybird_77590 if you plan to install and use alsa, make sure you uncheck other sound modules that are not alsa-based
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11:00.18looneybird_77590driver i am fixing to add is  "pciehp" .  one of the boot errors.
11:01.01boguhhi, im searching an alternative to xmms, no kde stuff
11:01.04shingouzAncillius: with alsamixer, hit F5 and check that you have things like "digital master" and "capture" cranked up high. it would help to know what particular laptop you have though
11:01.17subvertirHow insecure is it for me to use ssh-keygen -t rsa with no passphrase to connect to hosts over the internet?
11:01.28subvertirI really like the convenience of it...
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11:01.50sepsubvertir, means that anyone that can get a hold of your keyfile can connect to the same hosts
11:01.59Ancilliusshingouz, its an acer travelmate 292LMi, intel chipset and usual intel sound driver
11:02.01looneybird_77590hmmmm.  pciehp   wont install
11:02.04subvertirsep, unless I block connections from all but trusted hosts, right?
11:02.29looneybird_77590operation not permitted
11:02.37Ancilliusshingouz, i will try alsamixer (will it work with oos?)
11:02.41Ancilliusoss
11:02.41DrShadeboguh, have you tried hmmm, Gnome Music Player?
11:02.42sepsubvertir, better to use a keyfile with a passphrase, and use the ssh-agent that way you can enter your password once, ssh-agent stores it and you have passwordless access too your hosts.
11:02.58subvertirsep, great idea, thanks!
11:03.04shingouzAncillius: why the hell are you using OSS?
11:03.05clem_yeatshi, I've no /etc/apt/preferences on my fresh Sarge install, is that normal ?
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11:03.13Ancilliusshingouz, old and running ;)
11:03.24mwilsonclem_yeats: Of course.
11:03.24subvertirthat in conjunction with firewalling unknown hosts and denying root logins should be pretty much bulletproof
11:03.26boguhDrShade i read about mp3blaster, but there are not that much google hits
11:03.38clem_yeatsmwilson : default is non-existent ?
11:03.53shingouzAncillius: <sigh> alsamixer does not work then
11:03.57Ancilliusshingouz, so u suggest alsa (did install oss and alsa as modules with 2.6.11, so i could change)
11:04.01tsbHow do you get debian automatically populate sources.list with the release you want? (I want etch, or testing)
11:04.07mwilsonclem_yeats: Certainly.  Is there some reason you'd feel more comfortable with an empty file there?
11:04.14clem_yeatsmwilson : yes :)
11:04.19shingouzAncillius: you hage them B
11:04.20clem_yeatsmwilson : thanks.
11:04.23mwilsonclem_yeats: Then create one.
11:04.27DrShadeboguh, I believe the formal name is Rhythmbox, nice music player ;)
11:04.30tsbLooking for sources yourself is so annoying..
11:04.31shingouzAncillius: you have them both there now?
11:04.32looneybird_77590same with  "shpchp"
11:04.34clem_yeatsmwilson : I am :) Thanks man.
11:04.42Azarlooneybird_77590, it is ok just leave sound as is, make sure you pick the right sound card label that matches yours
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11:04.51Ancilliusshingouz, no atm oss, but i could remove the modules and install alsa
11:05.00subvertirtsb, cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/srclist.bak; cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed 's/stable/testing/' > /etc/apt/sources.list
11:05.13rixth"eBay to buy Skype in $2.6bn deal" Wow.
11:05.14looneybird_77590advance logic     als4000
11:05.21shingouzAncillius: if they are both installed and show up on lsmod, you have a problem. take out the oss and go full alsa if your chipset is supported
11:05.23tsbsubvertir: Hehe, i did just that actually; got a bunch of 404's
11:05.29subvertirehehehe
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11:05.34rixthKnowing eBay, they will probably drop the Linux version =/
11:05.35subvertirthat's pretty rare
11:05.41stumbleswhat can i use under debian to check an ntfs filesystem for errors?
11:05.50bob2stumbles: windows
11:06.08Ancilliusshingouz, no as is said, lsmod => oss, but modconf can remove oss and install alsa , then lsmod => alsa
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11:06.44subvertirtsb, I'm not sure there even is a way to automatically do it from the cmd line, synaptic or some other front end may offer that
11:06.49Ancilliusi will give alsa a try
11:06.51shingouzAncillius: go for alsa and test the mic again. if still no sound, try screwing around with alsamixer first
11:06.59subvertirI use archive.progeny.com and it has all debian releases
11:07.03Ancilliusshingouz, thank u i will try
11:07.04tsbsubvertir: that sucks, there should be :/ like gentoos mirrorselect :)
11:07.20bob2tsb: "looking for sources"?
11:07.24subvertirtsb, there probably is and I don't know it
11:07.28bob2tsb: you mean "looking for full Debian mirrors"?
11:07.49tsbbob2: right
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11:07.53paineshi
11:08.02dondelelcarotsb: just run apt-setup; the mirrors listed there should all be full mirrors.
11:08.04bob2tsb: apt-setup or www.debian.org/mirrors/
11:08.06tsblibstdc++6, is that in testing now?
11:08.10subvertirahh apt-setup
11:08.16bob2!+info libstdc++6 testing
11:08.18subvertirsee, I knew I was wrong! =)
11:08.20dpkglibstdc++6: (The GNU Standard C++ Library v3), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.0.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 344 kB, Installed size: 996 kB
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11:08.41tsbbob2: looking at the url now; I'll replace souces.list with whatever apt-setup generates, then replace stable with testing, thanks.
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11:09.08tsbso it's there, good..
11:09.20painesi have a german keyboard layout, and when I change this to uk via setxkbmap -model  -layout gb -variant basic, i can not get the euro character via alt+gr 4. anyone know why ?
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11:09.23Azarlooneybird_77590 http://wiki.debian.net/?ALSA
11:09.46shingouzpaines: try altgr-e
11:09.52clem_yeatsin /etc/apt/preferences if I want to follow testing, shall I give preference to testing then stable then unstable... or testing then unstable then stable ?
11:10.18painesshingouz, i was tol on uk keymap it is on altgr+4
11:10.21painestold
11:10.37shingouzpaines: did you even try with e?
11:10.40possiein my XF86Config, i configged my X for resolution of Modes "1280x1024", when launching X and i do xdpyinfo | grep dimensions   i'm getting 1024x768
11:10.44Azarclem_yeats there is only one way.. up, you will not be able to come back to stable
11:10.48streunerpaines: http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-config.html#s-Euro
11:10.53painesshingouz, yes, i get an ?
11:11.15bob2clem_yeats: don't use that file at all
11:11.17looneybird_77590what about  www.alsa-project.org
11:11.19shingouzhm. out of clues then, i an not using a uk keymap anywhere
11:11.21clem_yeatsAzar : so... for instance 900 to testing, 300 to unstable and -1 to stable ?
11:11.27clem_yeatsbob2: y not ?
11:11.31OrionBerlinCan someone help me, i builed a own kernel which i ever use my config. but my sound isnt working. I compiled alsa into the kernel with the emu10k1 module and added the module to /etc/modules. But still no sound in Debian help :((
11:11.46Azarlooneybird_77590 I gave you that link to get a general idea in advance
11:11.54bob2clem_yeats: because you'll break your system
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11:11.59looneybird_77590ok
11:12.03bob2OrionBerlin: use a Debian kernel
11:12.05clem_yeatsbob2: what are you talking about ??
11:12.24tsbUpgrading to testing... dumtidum..
11:12.25bob2clem_yeats: why on earth would you point apt at testing, stable and unstable?
11:12.26OrionBerlinbob2, no its old~
11:12.37Lanixheyyyy !!
11:12.39Azarlooneybird_77590 make sure you get the right sound driver that the OS understands, do a lspci and see exactly how it is listed there
11:12.42bob2OrionBerlin: so?
11:13.07OrionBerlinbob2, 2.6.8 is old and dont got nice features like in 2.6.13.
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11:13.15bob2OrionBerlin: for example?
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11:13.46Azar2.6.8 is old but stable
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11:14.03bob2some people need newer kernels, too
11:14.12looneybird_77590ok
11:14.13MortalmanAnyone have any trouble getting apcupsd working ?
11:14.20Azarbob2, I guess hardware requirements indeed
11:14.35bob2OrionBerlin: if you have no actual reason to use 2.6.13, just use 2.6.8
11:14.43OrionBerlinbob2, like the new wireless extentioons.
11:14.44GathondMortalman: I remember having trouble once finding the actual cable type to use
11:14.54bob2OrionBerlin: why do you need them?
11:15.42OrionBerlinbob2, becouse they are more secure :). and some new sata/raid drivers are finnaly in too. had problem befor sometimes. so thats why i need it.
11:15.52bob2that sounds like crap
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11:16.34shingouzOrionBerlin: do you have anything that needs those sata or wireless drivers?
11:16.36MortalmanGathond: Well, I have my UPS powering a windows box and a linux box.  I have apcupsd install on both and the windows box won't connect(as a slave) to the linux(master).  Can't figure out why.
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11:16.49bob2I only win in the sense that I don't have to feel guilty about not helping
11:16.51tsbnew drivers and security != "nice features" ...
11:16.56GathondMortalman: sorry, never used the network bit
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11:17.20looneybird_77590rebooting
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11:17.42MortalmanGathond: I thought I'd go with the sftware provided by APC, but it always fails at installing the scripts in /etc/init.d...  so I'm screwed either way.
11:17.42Azargenerally speaking new drivers software in their majority are buggy and less secure than a well known/tested old driver
11:17.54DrShadeEh, use 2.6.8-2-k7 myself.
11:17.59Azarpeople put functionality and niceties in front of security
11:18.17shingouzAzar: blingbling ;)
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11:18.51GathondMortalman: I tried that once, iirc APC's software is made for redhat who uses a different init layout, so it has to be manually made to fit debians after installation but its 5+ years ago I tried that, so matters might have changed alot)
11:18.54Azarshingouz I do not have to be proud of my fears: young bold characters are the ones who make the progress
11:19.01shingouz:)
11:19.48AzarI feel like a farting shaking oldfashioned rabbit shaking of anything moving around
11:19.49MortalmanGathond: Yeah, it has a god-awefull java installer now.
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11:24.28Azarout of topic but since I used to use Myst and Raven wallpapers.... Cyan has officialy closed
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11:26.09Guerin!alot
11:26.09dpkgYeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word.
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11:26.38JohnFluxGuerin: who said alot?
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11:27.07timgoh0Azar: I think that was announced some time ago. The ambient music by Robyn Miller was good.
11:27.23DrShadeGathond did! Get 'im!
11:27.58Azartimgoh0, I do not worry about music background I use modarchives to create my music library
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11:28.34GuerinJohnFlux: /lastlog alot :)
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11:28.43timgoh0Azar: I was referring to cyan.
11:29.12Azartimgoh0, oh I see well I still have the games
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11:29.48Guerini need to install a thing which emails me daily and says "in the last 24 hours, you have recieved xxxxx bytes and sent xxxxx bytes over port xxxx.
11:30.14Guerini don't really want anything more complicated than that
11:30.17looneybird_77590be back in a few. putting other pc online
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11:30.57jm_Guerin: iptables?
11:31.10Guerinjm_: i'm shit with iptables.
11:31.20Guerinifconfig is unreliable
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11:31.33jm_Guerin: create a rule that matches traffic, it will count stuff, just parse output of iptable -L -n -v
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11:31.59timgoh0jm_: Isn't that going to create quite a bit of logs?
11:32.07jm_timgoh0: why would it?
11:32.09AzarGuerin this is where I am at right now: iptables (studying IP Protocol, datagram fragmentation..etc)
11:32.17jm_timgoh0: not -j LOG, -j ACCEPT
11:32.27Guerini have no interest at all in learning iptables
11:32.29timgoh0jm_: Ah.
11:32.40Guerini suppose i should, but i'm a lazy bastard :)
11:32.52jm_Guerin: otherwise you'll have to run something like nettop/iptraf/ntop/...
11:33.21Guerinjm_: permanently... hrm.
11:33.23AzarGuerin, until I get iptables configured and tcpwrappers, I will not do nothing (X, sound, video, browser)
11:33.26paulswm!say Guerin you lazy bastard
11:33.28dpkgGuerin you lazy bastard
11:33.45jm_Guerin: honestly, it should be a piece of cake to create a rule like that for your fw-config tool
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11:34.08Azaran online machine with no firewall/security settings is like a lamb in a jungle
11:34.08valdyn!info ulug-acct
11:34.10valdyn!info ulug-acctd
11:34.21valdyn!info ulog-acctd
11:34.28dpkgulog-acctd: (Accounting daemon for Linux 2.4+ netfilter), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 228 kB
11:34.32Guerinjm_: my firewall config tool is ipmasq; because firehol broke many things, including ftp and xdmcp, even when I explicitly allowed all that sort of trafic
11:34.39GuerinAzar: bullshit
11:35.08jm_Guerin: well does it let you add your own rules?
11:35.09AzarGuerin my pre-last install got rooted , so I won't take anymore chances
11:35.15timgoh0Guerin: Agreed. Simply not start the services you don't need, and you should have a relatively secured box.
11:35.22GuerinAzar: and how would a firewall have stopped that?
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11:35.32AzarGuerin, maybe
11:35.55GuerinAzar: "maybe" does not answer my direct and specific question
11:36.12Guerinperhaps it would be more honest to say "I have no fucking idea, but it sure makes me FEEL safer"
11:36.21Azarwell so far with a paranoia setting I am able to float
11:36.26timgoh0Azar: When did it get rooted again? And how did it get rooted? You set an insecure root password? Or left an account with too many privileges?
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11:37.36nomedhi all
11:37.37Azartimgoh0, I just finished installing and upgrading to sarge when I noticed strange activity on the box while I was on a break, next thing all the copyrights were gone and the machine crashed
11:37.46nomedis this normal? :/
11:37.51Azarthat is all I remember
11:37.54nomedldd /sbin/modprobe
11:37.57timgoh0Azar: And that suggests that your machine was rooted how?
11:38.02DrShadeBah, I don't worry about breakins.  Breakins either happen from untrusted content being run, or services being taken advantage of.  I don't run untrusted content, and there are services running on my machine but I'm behind a Linksys router so good luck with that those that wish to do ill.
11:38.08nomedlinux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000) ?
11:38.16Azartimgoh0 I am not expert that why I am studying stuff
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11:38.43GuerinDrShade: you run public services, but you think a router will protect them?
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11:39.04Azartimgoh0 I was on a break with no activity on the box whatsoever and the router was blinking like when I do a major download
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11:39.17NoidGuerin: let him be happy in that fantasy world
11:39.23syntaxxcan vmware run my os in dual boot? or i need to install again in virtual disk of vmware?
11:39.25timgoh0Azar: Did you take steps to check who was "rooting" your box?
11:39.26Azarhi andrdew
11:39.31DrShadeGuerin, the router does not have any ports mapped.
11:39.42timgoh0syntaxx: VMWare can dual boot just fine.
11:39.44Azartimgoh0, as I said I have no idea what steps are to be done
11:39.52GuerinNoid: no. I take great pleasure in telling people Santa Claus is just a drunk employed by the shopping mall.
11:39.59monsterWhile trying to compile kernel i got this. It's unstable. What to do ? No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'.
11:40.04GuerinDrShade: ok, so you don't run any public services.
11:40.10AzarAndrew, are you on a Debian machine now?
11:40.15DrShadeGuerin, nod ;)
11:40.28GuerinDrShade: i'd say you're safer than most, then.
11:40.31NoidGuerin: heh
11:40.36bombalright i figured out how to start jackd with ~/.xsession, is there a way to kill jackd when i kill my X session? (if i log out of X and log back in, a new instance of jackd starts every time)
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11:40.54timgoh0DrShade: Which linksys router are you using? You DO know that some of them are standard ARM boxes and can be set up in an insecure fashion and be compromised.
11:41.07paul1bomb: if pgrep jackd; then
11:41.08jm_bomb: do it inside your xsession script
11:41.19timgoh0Azar: netstat -a will tell you all outbound and inbound connections if it has not been compromised.
11:41.20DrShadetimgoh0, I am using the standard 4-port Linksys blue box.
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11:41.34DrShadetimgoh0, the non-wireless version.
11:42.09timgoh0DrShade: Most of linksys's equipment are blue in color. Anyhow, do you trust a box you didn't set up?
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11:42.19paul1DrShade: The one with admin as user and password?
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11:42.31timgoh0DrShade: I hope you changed that.
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11:42.35DrShadetimgoh0, Of course.
11:42.50kuseIn which package do I find xmessage ?
11:42.53Zombtimgoh0: do you trust your parents that your birthday date is correct?
11:42.58jm_kuse: /msg dpkg search
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11:43.03Guerinkuse: xbase-clients
11:43.07kusetnx
11:43.17FaithfulI am wanting to clone 2 boxes using rsync and I am trying to figure out which directories I have to avoid. I have the obvious /dev /proc /sys /var/log /var/lock. ???
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11:43.37monsterkuse: apt-cache search xmessage ?
11:43.45timgoh0Zomb: I don't. But multiple independent sources seem to confirm that it is true. Therefore, i have increased my trustlevel with regard to my birthdate.
11:43.53DrShadeI've had this router and cable connection since '99 - running both Linux and Windows on and off.  Never been hacked, never had a virus.  I don't subscribe to all the hype.
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11:44.31subvertirYou don't -think- you've been hacked =)
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11:44.59timgoh0DrShade: I have seen someone's WRT54G compromised because he set up "DMZ" to an insecure machine. Then again, that resembles your setup in no way.
11:45.03Azartimgoh0, same here on the win box but I had to cut lots of features in order to stay clean
11:45.42possiein my XF86Config, i configged my X for resolution of Modes "1280x1024", when launching X and i do xdpyinfo | grep dimensions   i'm getting 1024x768
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11:45.47DrShadetimgoh0, nod.  All I did to the little guy was change the default user/pass to access it.
11:45.48paulswmI have a WRT54GS, no problems, but no DMZ and I keep it locked down pretty tight
11:45.54possieand my monitor can handle 1280x1024
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11:46.25syntaxxtimgoh0: but i cant load my linux os into vmware.. it says i need to install again my os onto virtual disk =/
11:46.27paulswmAnd I run nessus from time to time against the external IP
11:46.49jm_possie: so read its lofgile
11:46.52jm_logfile
11:47.06possiejm_, doesn't say anything, just that it's missing some fonts
11:47.18jm_possie: yes it does
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11:47.35timgoh0syntaxx: More detail please. What is giving you the error message(linux or vmware) and what is the exact error message? What distro and version are you using by the way?
11:47.52fireba11of topic .. but they got some heavy machinery right in from of our building and will start demolishing the street pretty soon .. now our servers are about 20m away in the cellar .. and guesses what to do to keep them from braking from the vibrations ?
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11:48.32syntaxxtimgoh0: im using debian right now.. exact error is no os found. im using vmware workstation 4 winxp
11:49.16yaboomsg dpkg java
11:49.29ircdevildh-make-perl kix arse
11:49.41timgoh0syntaxx: I am guessing you are trying to install some version of debian on vmware. You need to map the boot cd to the virtual cdrom drive and then boot the machine.
11:49.54timgoh0syntaxx: If that does not work, check the virtual machine's boot order.
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11:50.01nono31what gives best performance: enable or disable framebuffer in X ?
11:50.18jm_that depends on the driver you can use without FB
11:50.22SerpentWolfpeople, will it be fine if i use a sarge net install disc, to install base system, then change apt sources to 'testing' after base install ?
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11:50.45Azargood night /day honorables
11:50.46syntaxxtimgoh0: so i need to put my netinst cd to run my linux in dual boot?
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11:51.42yaboojim compiled my kernel from a clean tar and it booted. :-)
11:51.54DrShadeSerpentWolf, should be, then again I could be wrong.  'testing' is just one step down from 'stable' IIRC.
11:52.00timgoh0syntaxx: You ARE trying to dual boot within the virtual machine, right? You need to install another os on a partition in the virtual machine, then install debian.
11:52.03jimI compiled yaboo's kernel!!
11:52.08jimI compiled yaboo's kernel??!
11:52.13jimI don't remember doing that...
11:52.37jimyaboo: oh, very good :)
11:52.45yaboojim I'm happy
11:52.50jimclean tar.... oxymoron? :)
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11:53.20syntaxxtimgoh0: yeah.. and then i cant use my already installed debian on dual boot?
11:54.04possieanyknow the name of the tool that generates a mode line for XFree86 file according to the monitor specs?
11:54.04rhalffwhy is this doing totally nothing at all:  video=aty128fb:1024x768-16@70 when I add it to grub, I don't even get a message something failed in dmesg.
11:54.25timgoh0syntaxx: It says No OS Found. Do you think that there is another copy of debian already installed in the VM?
11:54.42rhalffhmm, ok vesafb is loaded by default, how do I prevent that ?
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11:55.13syntaxxtimgoh0: yeah i know.. what im trying to do is boot my already installed debian on my dual boot to vmware.. is that possible?
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11:55.30shingouzpaul1: stop that
11:55.33asg!kick paul1 in the goolies
11:55.54asgas opposed to the ones on his head
11:56.16timgoh0syntaxx: Your real machine dual boots, and you want to somehow put this in a VM session?
11:56.27paul1Sorry, will move elsewhere.
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11:56.36paulswmasg: You never know in this neighborhood :)
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11:56.46ivensapt-get install pacman roxx!
11:56.47asgpaulswm: yeah
11:56.49syntaxxtimgoh0: yeah my real machine dual boot
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11:56.58nono31jm_: nvidia
11:56.59jimroxx: package not found
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11:57.11syntaxxtimgoh0: so i dont need to setup install again =/
11:57.20shingouzpaulswm: chinballian? (men in black 2)
11:57.39timgoh0syntaxx: Nope, AFAIK, no trivial way to do that unless your current install is on a separate physical disk.
11:57.46jimjaymz: you can't talk as root... come back as a plain user
11:57.47jm_nono31: use it without FB
11:57.57nono31jm_: thx
11:58.04syntaxxtimgoh0: aww.. thanks
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11:58.49ircdevilyuck - anyone good at debugging errors from dh-make-perl? -> GD::SVG is malbehaving ->http://130.226.106.174/~paste/cgi-bin/1126526776.html
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12:00.24jimattempt to redefine constant subroutine
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12:01.43jimand then it looks like the module might not contain anything?
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12:02.09jimeither that or the code really did forget to load the module
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12:03.19ivensehm
12:03.23jimthat would be all I have
12:03.31ivenswich was the name from the svn-package?
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12:04.19jm_ivens: /msg dpkg search
12:04.20jimyou're probably in better hands now anyway, especially if he's familiar with debian perl policy
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12:04.39jimerr, oh... never mind that last part
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12:05.00possie!xort
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12:05.02possie!xorg
12:05.02dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements.  The current release is X11R6.8.2.    See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info.  Now in unstable.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg>
12:05.19possieget xorg
12:05.24possie!et xorg
12:05.27possie!gt xorg
12:05.39ShadurKeep trying, you'll get it eventually.
12:05.40jm_never heard of aptitude/apt-get?
12:06.31jm_!tell possie -about msg
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12:08.52monsterDrShade: Your proxy can work for me thanks :)
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12:09.58monsterDrShade: Try to configure it as it drops requests from outside
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12:10.07SerpentWolfwhaha @ eric raymond's microsoft job offer. made my day.
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12:12.25ricky_clarksonSerpentWolf: URL?
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12:12.37SerpentWolfricky_clarkson http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208
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12:13.14DrShademonster, -my- proxy?
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12:14.00jm_Guerin: it's not that hard to understand ;)
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12:14.30hyperstream!nvidia one-liner
12:14.30dpkgwell, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
12:14.32Guerinjm_: yeah, i know, but I'm stupid.
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12:15.15jm_Guerin: just insert the rule before it jumps to chain that rejects packets
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12:15.43jm_or reject/deny target
12:15.52jm_sorry, that's drop in iptables
12:16.11Guerinjm_: yeah, i have that bit done - it's easy enough in ipmasq
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12:16.22jm_Guerin: so which part is problematic then?
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12:16.29Guerinit's just that ulog-acctd logfile is still empty
12:16.37eXa_bOywhats the name of the file where i edit my ipaddress? i can never remember
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12:16.40Guerinthe manpage says it writes to the logfile "periodically"
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12:16.45jm_are you sure you want to use ulog for this?
12:16.49Guerinjm_: nope.
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12:16.59jm_Guerin: why not go with the solution I proposed?
12:17.07timgoh0eXa_bOy: /etc/network/interfaces
12:17.18Guerinjm_: it does seem more sensible.
12:17.40Guerinjm_: would i append on the basis of source port?
12:17.43Guerinor what?
12:17.59jm_Guerin: well depends on what kind of traffic you want to monitor
12:18.07Guerinwhat I'm wondering is how to get the information from iptables -L -n -v, and have it delineated by 24 hour periods
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12:18.34Guerinjm_: i just want to see an aggregate total of all traffic outbound on a certain port, once every 24 hours :)
12:18.36jm_that'll be a matter of a daily cronjob once you have rules in place
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12:18.55tomplasthi  guys
12:19.07tomplastcan anyone tell me how to remove all fancy graphical stuff
12:19.11tomplastlike kde, gnome etc
12:19.22fireba11remove ?
12:19.24tomplastim gonna use my xbox as a test server and i dont need any fancy stuff
12:19.25Guerinjm_: ok.
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12:19.30tomplastconsole will suffice
12:19.30fireba11u did the wrong install then :-)
12:19.33eXa_bOyhow do i force eth1 to go down?
12:19.33tomplastnope
12:19.35jimremove the libs
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12:19.40tomplasti used xebian
12:19.42timgoh0eXa_bOy: ifconfig eth1 down
12:19.44tomplastno choices
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12:19.45jm_Guerin: yes, I figure as much, but is it your connections to remote hosts on port 80/22/... or someone else connection to you on given port?
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12:20.00jm_connecting*
12:20.05DrShadefireba11, eh?
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12:20.33jimtimgoh0: if he has /etc/network/interfaces there are commands that do that (see man 5 interfaces for details)
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12:21.02jimwel, I have no idea for xebian tho
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12:21.51eXa_bOyi can ping my gateway on my debian machine but i cant ping google.. WTF?
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12:21.58monsterDrShade: Your address is 24.170.17.59 isn't it?
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12:22.08DrShademonster, nod.
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12:22.16timgoh0eXa_bOy: did you set up resolv.conf?
12:22.22Guerinjm_: both in and outbound connections - but only outbound traffic - on 6890 (bittorrent)
12:22.23ncpeXa_bOy, dit you remember to NAT? if your behind your own linux gateway
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12:23.16n0cturnalanyone know of a gnome-friendly ftp client with tls support?
12:23.19eXa_bOywhat do i have to do in there?
12:23.29jimeXa_bOy try ping 218.108.31.122
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12:23.36BGyhi, can anybody help me about postfix?
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12:23.43jimI knew these bots would be good for something :P
12:23.53ncpn0cturnal, did you try ncftp og gftp?
12:23.57jimBGy: /msg dpkg sicco
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12:24.44ncpBGy, ask your question in the channel
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12:24.58eXa_bOyim setting it to DHCP so hopefully it will get the right details now.
12:25.05andreas_is_the_iHow do i install the mp3 codec to totem. apt-get install ??
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12:25.54pifhi, I'd like to make slight modifications to the standard debian kernel (kernel-image-2.6.11-em64), how should I proceed?
12:25.55BGyncp: i got the messages, but (i think) the program can't take it in the directory
12:25.57jm_Guerin: if you want to see how much you send out then it will be source port 6890
12:26.08pifmodifications for my own use of course
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12:26.20n0cturnalncp: I'm chasing something with a GUI
12:26.32BGyncp: it worked 1 days ago
12:26.34Guerinjm_: ok, as I thought. now, can I APPEND something, and then parse the output of -L -v -n based on that string?
12:26.41ncpn0cturnal, gftp i GUI
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12:26.56eXa_bOywhere is resolv.conf supose to be?
12:26.56ncpBGy, what do your log's say?
12:27.00eXa_bOylol
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12:27.11ncpeXa_bOy, /etc/resolv.conf
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12:27.21jimeXa_bOy: did that ping work?
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12:27.26eXa_bOyinteresting that its not there :S
12:28.08jimthat could be your problem
12:28.09eXa_bOyno it didnt, it said network not available
12:28.09eXa_bOyrebuild?
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12:28.09jimhmm, you have to solve that problem first
12:28.10andreas_is_the_iHow do i install the mp3 codec to totem. apt-get install ??
12:28.10timgoh0eXa_bOy: What does netstat -r say?
12:28.13jm_Guerin: you can APPEND, but it may insert it too late in the chain, it's better to find a place just before the packets are disallowed and insert it there (--line-numbers -L -n will help find the number, then use -I bla number) - as for parsing, iptables -L -v -n | awk '/tcp spt:6890/ {print $3}' or somesuch
12:28.15eXa_bOyem,pty
12:28.19jimbecasue if network not available, you can't get thru your gateway
12:28.23valdynandreas_is_the_i: it does not play mp3 already?
12:28.32valdynandreas_is_the_i: is it totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ?
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12:28.41eXa_bOycant ping my gateway anymore.
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12:28.48jm_ahh it's $2 without --line-numbers
12:28.52jimeXa_bOy: find out why
12:29.03BGyncp: premature end-of-input on private/local socket while reading input attribute name
12:29.05timgoh0eXa_bOy: netstat -r. Do you have a default route?
12:29.15eXa_bOyim just going to rebuild it. no big dramas  :)
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12:29.22jimmaybe you can't ping gateway because you just did something
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12:29.26eXa_bOynope its empty
12:29.37timgoh0eXa_bOy: There's your problem
12:29.43jimdramamine isn't big :)
12:29.48stephan_4i need some help please.. what's wrong... ->
12:29.48stephan_4root@baghdad ~ # who
12:29.48stephan_4root     pts/1        Sep 10 10:06 (bsn-77-34-5.dsl.siol.net)
12:29.48stephan_4root     pts/2        Sep  7 17:06 (cpe1-5-29.cable.triera.net)
12:29.49stephan_4root     pts/3        Sep 12 14:27 (192.168.0.2)
12:29.49stephan_4*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x0805b400 ***
12:29.49*** kick/#debian [stephan_4!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood)
12:29.52Guerinjm_: what sort of rule would I use, if not append? LOG?
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12:30.02BGyncp: private/local socket: malformed responze
12:30.08eXa_bOyi was playing with my network cards about 3 days ago... might have something to do with it.
12:30.13DrShadeI should have expected that.  Get involved with a security conversation and take a rather aggressive stance on the whole thing and 30 minutes later get a cryptic message to the nature of "I am hacking you while we speak."
12:30.16timgoh0eXa_bOy: Let's see if it's really the problem. "route add default gw $GW_IP_ADDR"
12:30.24valdynstephan_4: whats wrong?
12:30.25jm_Guerin: -j ACCEPT
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12:30.30jimstephan_4: what's wrong is you just pushed 6 lines off the edge of like 800 irc clients :)
12:30.39timgoh0DrShade: Woah. Via /msg?
12:31.02DrShadetimgoh0, Negative, in the channel.
12:31.07ncpBGy, is this the error you get?
12:31.23valdynstephan_4: i'd reinstall at once if those root logins arent legit
12:31.23ncpBGy, what does it say in your log files?
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12:31.40BGyncp: this is a warning message
12:31.47timgoh0DrShade: Ah. That. Go get a cloak if it worries you.
12:31.49eXa_bOyi did that timgoh0
12:32.05timgoh0eXa_bOy: And netstat -r is not showing anything?
12:32.07ncpBGy, not sure how to help you, if thats the whole message
12:32.12stephan_4->
12:32.12stephan_4*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x0805b400 ***
12:32.18stephan_4this is not ok
12:32.18stephan_4:]
12:32.20jimmore pasting :)
12:32.21eXa_bOychanged $GW_IP_ADDR to 192.168.0.254
12:32.24jimthis is not ok :)
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12:32.32eXa_bOycause it didnt like the variable.
12:32.34DrShadetimgoh0, you do see what I am referring to right?  The proxy thing.
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12:32.44timgoh0DrShade: Yes.
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12:32.52eXa_bOyand netstats still empty
12:32.55stephan_4jim what can i do
12:32.56stephan_4?
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12:33.08timgoh0eXa_bOy: /etc/init.d/networking restart
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12:33.27hmakholmstephan_4: /msg dpkg paster, as it says in the channel topic.
12:33.30jimcoupla things, you could use a pastebot service like http://rafb.net/paste
12:33.35Guerinjm_: ok, i already have a rule which accepts related, etc. Do I need another for that specific port? I can see the output, but not differentiated by port.
12:33.48jimanother, if you have your own web site, you could put it thare
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12:34.04stephan_4http://rafb.net/paste/results/j2HpNj61.html
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12:34.10BGyncp: ???
12:34.17jm_Guerin: do you have a rule that permits incoming connections on that port? I forgot to ask earlier, because in that case you don't need anything else
12:34.32jm_Guerin: or just paste iptables -L -v -n on some pastebin
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12:34.49hmakholmstephan_4: Looks like your utmp/wtmp file is corrupted.
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12:34.58eXa_bOyok i fixed it... for some reason eth0 isnt my active network card and eth1 is... go figure...
12:35.05Guerinjm_: yes, I do - on account of it being related/esablished
12:35.12stephan_4hmakholm how can i fix this?
12:35.17jimstephan_4: another thing you can do, is ask specific questions, tell people what you want to do, what you tried, what happened, how it was different from exactly what you want...
12:35.20BGyncp: delivery temporarly suspend: unknown mail transport error
12:35.21jimlike that ;)
12:35.33eXa_bOyits working now thanks timgoh0!!!
12:35.34hmakholmstephan_4: If you're reasonably sure you're not being haxx0red you can just start over with fresh files. I think man 5 utmp ought to tell you how.
12:35.50eXa_bOyreason : eth0 isnt my active network card and eth1 is... go figure...
12:35.51ncpBGy, never seen that error before, dont know what the problem is
12:35.52jimI'm outtahere! :)
12:36.36smartbhaihow can i check if a installed library is working
12:36.55eXa_bOywhats the apt-get info command to VIEW packages?
12:37.02Guerinjm_: feayn.org/~lewis/iptables-L-v-n.txt
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12:37.03hmakholmstephan_4: (no it doesn't. As a first approximation, try moving /etc/utmp and /etc/wtmp out of the way and create empty files (with touch) instead. Be sure to preserve owner & permissions).
12:37.05GuerineXa_bOy: show
12:37.19BGyncp: the other funcion works normaly, it sends the messages, and received it, and the users can check the mailbox
12:37.36eXa_bOyGuerin : apt-get show apache2 doesnt work...
12:37.43haggaieXa_bOy: apt-cache show
12:37.48GuerineXa_bOy: yeah
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12:38.06eXa_bOyi want to view it before i install apache2 to see it dependancies
12:38.08ncpBGy, witch MTA are you using? qmail,postfix,sendmail,exim?
12:38.08ketoncan anyone help me with installing an invidia driver that i have downloaded
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12:38.11ketonfor sarge
12:38.21valdyn!nvidia one-liner
12:38.21dpkgfrom memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
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12:38.27Guerinketon: no. Use the one-liner.
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12:38.30stephan_4hmakholm: /etc/utmp and wtmp doesn't exists
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12:38.48ketonbut like im installing from a pen drive
12:38.49ncpketon, update kernel headers, then telinit 1, an sh NVIDIADRIVER...
12:38.56Guerinncp: no.
12:38.57eXa_bOyunable to locate apache2..... WTF
12:39.09valdynstephan_4: /var/run/utmp
12:39.09ncpGuerin, works fine for me
12:39.12BGyncp: postfix
12:39.22eXa_bOyooh shit i need to add a new ftp source for apt-get... how do i do this?
12:39.23Guerinncp: there's a debian way which works fine for EVERYONE
12:39.24ketondont i need to mount the pen drive first
12:39.25hmakholmstephan_4: Sorry, I'm hopelessly out of date. utmp lives in /var/run these days.
12:39.29GuerineXa_bOy: apt-setup
12:39.33eXa_bOythanks you
12:39.49ncpGuerin, in what way would you do it?
12:39.50ketoncan anyone go in private chat cause im not geting much done with everyone answering everyones questions
12:39.57Guerinncp: see nvidia one liner above
12:40.06Guerinncp: which doesn't break horribly when you upgrade, etc.
12:40.10hmakholmstephan_4: ... and wtmp is in /var/log
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12:40.17ncpBGy, as default postfix runs, then you only have to set up pop/imap
12:40.26eXa_bOyGuerin do you remember me from ages ago?
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12:41.00stephan_4hmakholm what shoud i do now?
12:41.00eXa_bOyguess not
12:41.02eXa_bOy:P
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12:41.08GuerineXa_bOy: not really.
12:41.19hmakholmstephan_4: Have you moved the current wtmp and utmp out of the way?
12:41.21ketonanyone
12:41.28eXa_bOyanyone here an OP?
12:41.29GuerineXa_bOy: which means that your stupidity was not more than three standard deviations from the norm
12:41.31stephan_4yes i have
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12:41.45eXa_bOyoh thanks :(
12:42.03hmakholmstephan_4: Does who still produce strange messages?
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12:42.15stephan_4nop
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12:42.37SerpentWolfi assume im understanding this correctly (http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/). Those are net installer images for testing?
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12:42.54hmakholmstephan_4: By the way I just noticed what those outputs were. Just to check, those two remote root logins *is* you, right?
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12:42.57S4nD3rHow do I setup my ABNT2 keyboard:::
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12:43.16stephan_4yes.. this 2 logins are mine
12:43.20stephan_4root@baghdad run # who
12:43.20stephan_4root@baghdad run #
12:43.24stephan_4:-)
12:43.27eXa_bOyim running my entire network on wireless. it seems to be faster than ever... sheesh
12:43.33ncpGuerin, is see, much better, then the way i do it, thanks
12:43.33standusplease help..... i am looking for HOWTO, configuring my new installed webhosting server. how to configure this server (dns, my own domain,etc...)
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12:44.07Guerinstandus: don't run your own dns; get your domain name provider to run it for you.
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12:44.20andreas__Hey
12:44.21hmakholmstephan_4: I were more concerned about bsn-77-34-5.dsl.siol.net and cpe1-5-29.cable.triera.net
12:44.36n0cturnalncp: gftp doesn't support tls..
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12:44.37LSorenseGuerin: unless you would actually like to be able to make DNS changes this month once in a while. :)
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12:44.47stephan_4bsn-77-34-5.dsl.siol.net cpe1-5-29.cable.triera.net.. that's me
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12:45.01LazloFruvoushow do i make dpkg or apt list the half-installed packages? or aptitude, for that matter?
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12:45.06hmakholmstephan_4: Good. If you log out and log in again, who should show your new login then.
12:45.09GuerinLSorense: my crappy dns provider updates it pretty swiftly :)
12:45.14eXa_bOyhow many apt sources does everyone have?
12:45.15LSorenseGuerin: although I guesa a lot of providers are better than that
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12:45.22ncpn0cturnal, http://linuxreviews.org/software/ftp-clients/
12:45.26andreas__I have a little problem i cant get my music player to work......
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12:45.32LSorenseeXa_bOy: probably varies a lot.  my home machine has a rather long list
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12:45.56LSorenseandreas__: perhaps details of which music player and what part doesn't work would help
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12:45.56GuerinLazloFruvous: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}'
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12:46.07stephan_4hmakholm: nop.. who doesn't show me the new login
12:46.15andreas__I want to use xmms on debian
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12:46.20n0cturnalcheers ncp
12:46.27ncpn0cturnal,  :)
12:46.30ZombLazloFruvous: half-installed?
12:46.31LSorensenandreas__: ok, usually not difficult
12:46.39LazloFruvousGuerin: cool. what's the /^rc/ do?
12:46.39GuerinLSorense: oops, that'll show removed packages for which config files remain. Change rc to something else as per dpkg-l output
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12:46.42eXa_bOyim doing an apt-get update and it HITS my sources and ends... wtf?
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12:46.49GuerinLazloFruvous: matches any line starting with rc
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12:47.08LazloFruvousGuerin: right, duh, pcre.
12:47.13valdyneXa_bOy: hmm? and?
12:47.16valdyneXa_bOy: man apt-get
12:47.20unixroxwow lot of newb 2ay
12:47.24eXa_bOyOMG im getting dumb....
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12:47.28andreas__How do i install the sound card on my debian..?
12:47.41LSorensenandreas__: well turn off computer, open case, insert card, etc
12:47.43valdyn!wikifaq andreas__ UseSound
12:47.44dpkgandreas__: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSound or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/
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12:47.58LSorensenandreas__: or did you mean how do you install a driver?
12:48.04timgoh0andreas__: You're not going to tell us what hardware you are using, are you? You're not going to read the docs either.
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12:48.20eXa_bOyi was thinking of apt-get upgrade not update.. my bad
12:48.22clem_yeatsI just completed my first upgrade to testing !!! I'm very impressed !
12:48.27LazloFruvousGuerin: ok, so what's rc mean, then?
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12:49.05smartbhaihow do i link with a library .. is copying the library to /usr/lib or /usr/X11R6/lib and modifying /etc/ld.so.conf enough
12:49.07LSorensenLazloFruvous: r = removed, c = configuration remains.
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12:49.31LazloFruvousoh, ok... no, i meant when i try to install something, apt-get says "5 packages half-configured" ... how do I list those?
12:49.33GuerinLazloFruvous: look at the output of dpkg -l libc6
12:49.35clem_yeatssmartbthai: run ldconfig
12:49.50GuerinLazloFruvous: yeah, i can't remember the two-letter combo for half-configured
12:50.05GuerinLazloFruvous: the other way to fix it would be to run apt-get -f install;
12:50.07eXa_bOyhow do i show the version of debian im running?
12:50.11valdynLazloFruvous: you could just run apt-get -f install
12:50.16GuerineXa_bOy: cat /etc/debian_version
12:50.21eXa_bOythank you
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12:50.38eXa_bOy3.1 :D
12:50.42nksenhi there. dpkg answers me to use a webaddress for nvidia installation. but the address just handles unstable and testing, but i am running stable
12:50.49nksenwhich way should I follow?
12:50.56smartbhaiclem_yeats : i ran ldconfig but the application still says the library aint there
12:50.58valdyn!nvidia one-liner
12:50.58dpkgwell, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
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12:51.14jm_Guerin: these rules look awfully redundant ;)
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12:51.28clem_yeatssmartbthai : the directory where your lib is installed in has to be in ld.so.conf
12:51.30nksenunfortunately does not answer my question :/
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12:51.32nkseni know the one-liner
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12:51.45LazloFruvousok, new question. apt is complaining "/usr/bin/perl: relocation error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/gettext.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Gthr_key_ptr" ... any thoughts?
12:51.52zOapI have an AC97 soundcard, but alsa won't recognice it. But I installed the ac97 kernel module and it works fine, but not in wine. Does anyone know what to put in wine config file to get it to use the kernel module?
12:51.55smartbhaiclem_yeats : the dir is /usr/X11R6/lib and thats present in ld.so.conf
12:51.55valdynnksen: so type it, what do you need an URL for when this is in the stable debian repository?
12:51.59clem_yeatssmartbthai : then ldconfig updates the lib path I guess..
12:52.19nksenvaldyn: it is?
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12:52.25Guerinjm_: probably
12:52.31valdyn!info nvidia-glx sarge
12:52.33dpkgnvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB
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12:53.06AlphaOmegaquick question, i have a power supply, and i want to test it, but i dont have a mother board, so when i plug it in, it doesnt turn on, i know some power supplys havea a on / off switch, this one doesnt, is there some piece of hardware i can buy that i can just plug the mb cable into to trick the power supply into thinking that its on?
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12:53.12nksenvaldyn: ah. as I see the contrib/non-free additions in my sources.list were missing. thx a lot!
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12:53.54Esajis it worth using hardware SATA RAID rather than software?
12:54.00j0nascan any one help me whit some mysql things?
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12:54.40timgoh0Esaj: Yes it is. Less performance hit.
12:54.47Gathondj0nas: perhaps, try just asking, changes are someone knows and will answer
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12:55.17Esajtimgoh0: I thought as much.  Do you know of any cheap hardware RAID controllers for SATA?
12:55.30eXa_bOyanyone here played with squid in accelerator mode?
12:55.33j0nasi need to know what package (if there's one) to apt-get to get a working mysql server up and runing
12:55.39timgoh0AlphaOmega: See here. http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/power/atxpower.html You probably want to bring pin14(PS_ON) to low.
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12:55.56timgoh0Esaj: No idea about cheap though.
12:56.04Gathondj0nas: mysql-server
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12:56.10eXa_bOyj0nas : apt-get install mysql-client mysql-server
12:56.23Gathondj0nas: there might exist different versions though
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12:56.27Guerinclient unnecessary for server
12:56.36j0nasGathond: thx guy's :)
12:56.46eXa_bOyits a dependance though
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12:57.19GathondeXa_bOy: makes it a moot point then as mysql-server would ensure its installed then :)
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12:58.54Gathondalthough I would actually have thought as Guerin, then again it might primarily have been split into 2 parts to enable people to install just a client
12:58.55Pyhello
12:59.02AlphaOmegatimgoh0 : thanks a lot
12:59.14eXa_bOythe only reason i said it was so that he speciffically knew it came in 2 parts
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12:59.39tomppahi all, maybe someone could help me a bit with this Thinkpad trackpoint problem?
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12:59.44gudihi
12:59.58gudiis it possible to shape incomming traffic for my lan ?
13:00.21PyAfter having ghosted and restored a sarge box, I'm unable to boot it (grub endless on the screen). So I just suceeded booting into the system using a boot floppy. From there, how do I reinstall grub the same way it was done during sarge's install?
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13:01.01valdyngudi: not very well, incoming traffic would have to be shaped to whatever hosts it is coming from
13:01.02tomppaThe problem being i can't find at what device the trackpoint is connected to. I think it should be at /dev/psaux, but that doesn't work.
13:01.10valdyngudi: not very well, incoming traffic would have to be shaped by whatever hosts it is coming from
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13:01.40gudivaldyn, what about shape it on the lan device of my gateway ?
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13:02.08valdyn!wondershaper
13:02.09dpkgsomebody said wondershaper was a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy
13:02.18GuerineXa_bOy: i'm pretty sure it's not a dependency. It might be of the mysql metapackage, but not of the server
13:02.29valdyngudi: see what i said
13:02.30tomppaSarge, Thinkpad 770 & kernel 2.6.11-1-386 to be specific.
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13:02.49gudia ok. .what about imq ?
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13:03.18eXa_bOyhttp://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/mysql-server
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13:03.30S4nD3rMy keyboard doesnt work good
13:03.37S4nD3rthe interrogation key doesn work
13:03.47S4nD3rI have ABNT2 keyboard
13:03.53S4nD3rplease, help me
13:04.03hmakholmstephan_4: Still there? Sorry, had a local fire to fight.
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13:04.18z0undshey how can i play .wmv files with totem?
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13:04.40valdyn!marillat
13:04.40dpkghmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/
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13:04.52amphitomppa: "Till Straumann has written a driver for the trackpoint. Get it at http://www-hft.ee.TU-Berlin.DE/~strauman/tp4utils" - dunno if that's any use to you
13:04.55valdynz0unds: with w32codecs from marillat
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13:05.07chealz0unds: depends which .wmv files
13:05.07fireba11how to set a path variable for an init script ? when i try it as user it works, but on boot it obviously doesn't have the path set
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13:05.52valdynfireba11: IN the script
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13:05.56amphitomppa: the device should be psaux
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13:06.26tomppaamphi: it doesn't seem to work, thought.
13:06.28amphitomppa: see http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~mfluch/tp770.html
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13:06.42tomppaamphi: thanks :)
13:06.49fireba11valdyn: can u tell me the command ? got no clue how ..
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13:07.04amphitomppa: pleasure - I'm a big fan of stinkpads
13:07.08valdynfireba11: VAR=somethig
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13:07.30mickahow work Xresources in debian ?
13:08.00mickai have put xterm*foreground:       grey in ~/.Xresources but this not work
13:08.22caphusomicka: xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources
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13:08.54cahoot_caphuso: where to put that to make it global?
13:08.59Guerincahoot_: don't
13:09.16Guerinif you want it to run on x startup, but it in xsession, etc.
13:09.17caphusocahoot_: ~/.xsession or whatever you use to start your X session
13:09.33fireba11valdyn: *testing*
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13:10.25cahoot_a better question might be why .Xresources isn't parsed by default
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13:10.53hmakholmcahoot_: The point of .Xresources is to be sourced into the server when your X session starts.
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13:11.14hmakholmcahoot_: The file that is read by each client as the _client_ starts is ~/.Xdefaults
13:11.18caphusoit is if you use the standard debian X session initialization
13:11.19cahoot_hmakholm: why the need to xrdb -merge it then?
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13:11.29cahoot_aah
13:11.33cahoot_ok disregard
13:11.33SnuShow do I record something from my linein to .wav or .mp3 ? I can't seem to figgure it out. best I've been able to hear is some weird sound, coming from rawrec + lame. if I put my headphones in the output slot of the soundcard, I can hear the line-in.
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13:11.47hmakholmcahoot_: The xrdb -merge is for experimenting without logging out and then in again.
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13:13.31cahoot_SnuS: might experiment with the 'capture' setting
13:13.45SnuScahoot what do you mean ?
13:14.04cahoot_SnuS: in the mixer - like alsamixer
13:14.13nksenhow can I achieve that a user in kde can shutdown the system by click like mandrake or any distro like those does it? if I install gdm, I just can exit kde or the wm and shutdown via gdm, but not right out of the wm
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13:14.27SnuSlinein is set to the right volume. 90/100.
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13:14.47SnuSand I see nothing about "capture" in alsamixers' options.
13:14.49S4nD3rReady
13:14.52S4nD3rMy keyboard setup is different in X
13:14.54nono31is there experimental for amd64?
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13:15.10S4nD3rHow to do to use the same setup^^
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13:15.40S4nD3rIn terminal I get to use the interrogation key, in Gnome, I cant !!
13:15.44S4nD3rHelp me please
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13:15.58abrotmantalk to the CIA
13:16.00Guerininterrogation key?
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13:16.11valdynnono31: no binaries, just sources
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13:16.24cahoot_SnuS: alsa?
13:16.26S4nD3r??
13:16.28S4nD3rthis one
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13:16.36SnuScahoot yes.
13:16.39nksenand can I use autologin with kdm as well?
13:16.42abrotmanthe question mark key?
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13:16.49Guerinnksen: eew
13:16.53abrotmanS4nD3r: which keymap?
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13:16.58cahoot_SnuS: tried a simple test with arecord?
13:17.03nksenGuerin: eew? dunnow this acronym :)
13:17.04S4nD3rBrazilian ABNT2
13:17.10SnuSno, I didn't know about arecord.
13:17.17hagen_hello... where is a way of creating bulk users?
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13:17.24SnuSthat's what I was trying to figgure out 10 seconds ago, after reading alsamixers' man page.
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13:17.35bob2hagen_: adduser...
13:17.41S4nD3rIn XF86Config-4
13:17.44S4nD3ris ok !
13:17.45SnuSdb:/var/www/s# arecord -d 10 -f cd -t wav  foobar.wav
13:17.51S4nD3rJust in Gnome doesnt work
13:17.53hagen_bob2: yes.. but i mean a list of users from a file
13:17.53Guerinnksen: it stands for "really stupid and yucky thing to do"
13:18.02abrotmanS4nD3r: ask #debian-br
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13:18.16SnuScahoot nothing. it's blank.
13:18.18S4nD3rThey didnt get to help me
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13:18.48SnuSa 1.8mb 10 seconds file of silence.
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13:19.02cahoot_a rare blessing nowadays
13:19.05dob2hi
13:19.08SnuS:)
13:19.09bob2hagen_: then it's time to write a line shell script
13:19.09raz___lo i found a howto for apache php and mysql, it say i have to put "AddModule mod_php4.c" in module.conf but i dont found it
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13:19.22dob2it's true that now there is the security support for testing too?
13:19.38nksenGuerin: i see and I know. but I'm setting up a debin system for a windows user. he won't understand why there is a need to type a password on every single bootup
13:19.41raz___the restarting apache returned me Cannot add module via name 'mod_php4.c': not in list of loaded modules
13:19.47bob2raz___: howto? you just install 4 packages.
13:19.50cahoot_SnuS: using the correct device? check /proc/asound/pcm
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13:19.59raz___yes i know
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13:20.15raz___i already set it. but i meet problem on unstable install
13:20.35raz___so i try to found clues about the problems
13:20.41hagen_bob2: oh god.. i am such a newbie at that :-)... but thank u anyway
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13:20.48Guerinnksen: make him understand
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13:21.11raz___im problemboy
13:21.14abrotmannksen: is he the only user
13:21.15abrotman?
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13:22.10nksenabrotman: yup. except me, but I am root :)
13:22.10SnuScahoot_ how do I know which is the correct device ?
13:22.13cahoot_SnuS: grep cap /proc/asound/pcm
13:22.16tombshi ppl
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13:22.23SnuSI have 4 devices with "capture" :/
13:22.25abrotmannksen: gdm has autologin .. but i think Guerin already told you that
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13:23.18petemchagen_: man newusers
13:23.20Wuffi600how can i list the permissions of the contents of a .tar-file?
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13:24.01caphusoWuffi600: tar tvf foo.tar
13:24.07cahoot_SnuS: try to add -D hw:0,0 to the arecord line
13:24.12nksenabrotman: well - no. actually kdm also has and I already found out. thx though
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13:24.21Wuffi600caphuso: oh, sounds good, thanx
13:24.30abrotmannksen: but KDE is dirty
13:24.41cahoot_SnuS: if that fails try hw:0,3
13:24.46abrotmannksen: and really .. they shuld login every time
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13:25.02securebootdo/will the X.org/Gnome-Terminal packages provide real transparency ala iTerm/MacOS?  for instance, if you layer 2 transparent terminals, will you be able to read the one beneath through the one above?
13:25.18afatSpeaking of KDE.... why does it Freezes for some secs... Does some one know how to fix it?
13:25.42bob2secureboot: transset + xcompmgr
13:25.44bombsecureboot: right now, you need transset and xcompmgr to do that, and they both slow your system down radically
13:25.53bob2secureboot: note that it is slow and pointless
13:25.56Guerin!vaguenesssmite afat
13:25.57SnuSnor 0,3, nor 0,0, nor -Dplug:hw:0,3/1 work.
13:26.15securebootbob2: sad - i've been forced to use os x for a bit, and their transparency is fast and useful.
13:26.21SnuSI get a "Warning: rate is not accurate (requested = 44100Hz, got = 48000Hz please, try the plug plugin (-Dplug:hw:0,0"
13:26.25securebootbob2: any plans to speed things up?
13:26.26afatGuerin nani?!
13:26.27SnuSif I use -D hw:0,0
13:26.36hagen_petemc: so i can use another file (/etc/shadow for example) to create users all at once?
13:27.09Eclipserunf
13:27.14bob2secureboot: yes, but that doesn't help the "pointless" side of things
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13:27.39hagen_petemc: anyway i must use bob2 suggestion... because i must also create maildir for imap (i am using courier-imap package)
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13:27.51securebootbob2: i've found it quite useful, personally.  If nothing else, eye candy for the sake of eye candy is arguably worthwhile.
13:27.54EclipserI thought my problem was that I accidently chmod -x'd /bin but it seems not... remotely I got /bin/bash permission denied as I tried to login, now I just get cannot cd to /home/eclipser
13:27.59mkl1525Hi, I'm using rsync to backup some files, first use find to create a file and then use "rsync -av --delete --files-from=list . 10.2.0.2:~" to push it to the backup server. this works quite well. but if I'd like rsync to delete files on the backup server that are not in the given file list, the delete option seems not to work - any suggestions?
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13:28.08Eclipserany ideas? (/home/eclipser has all correct flags)
13:28.14Guerinafat: beeek!
13:28.29bob2Eclipser: show us
13:28.37Eclipsershow what
13:28.38cahoot_SnuS: *must* be a mixer thing (my connection is flaky - have to run anyway)
13:28.47afatHello again - Does some one know how to shut down the getty login procces and to auto login?
13:28.48S4nD3rMy abnt2 keyboard works perfect, except the key (/ and ?).
13:28.50bob2Eclipser: ls -ld /home/ /home/eclipser
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13:28.58bob2afat: don't
13:29.01afatGuerin : what?-the?-hell?
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13:29.05bob2afat: use gdm if you really think that's a good idea
13:29.17Eclipserbob2, I need to boot knoppix again :)
13:29.41DrShadeI have a general question.  Why does the dhcp client list for my cable modem list two internal IP addies with the same mac addy?  Shouldn't there just be one, heh.
13:29.41afatbob2: I don't want any X11 program on my PC for now..
13:30.03SnuScahoot_ ok. any quick suggestions ?
13:30.21SnuSI'll put everything in alsamixer to maximum level and try those 2 again.
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13:30.31S4nD3rMy abnt2 keyboard works perfect, except the key (/ and ?). How to solve it :::
13:30.43Guerinafat: m¥ $èñtïm3n+s €xåç+₤y
13:30.45S4nD3rThis works good in terminal, but doesnt work in X
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13:31.47afatGuerin : you want something...speak enlish or dutch...or...spanish NOT THAT. :p
13:32.12securebooti know about daapd and mt-daapd, but are there any programs that will let you READ from others' iTunes shares, not just share your library with others?
13:32.17Guerinafat: my only point wwas that you asked a very vague question about kde that nobody has a hope of answering unless you supply us more information.
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13:32.41SnuScahoot_ no, same thing.
13:32.55afatGuerin : OKay then hhaha , it was gettin weird :p
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13:33.18hiux_´ó¼ÒºÃ
13:33.47hiux_greeting to everyone!
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13:34.10DrShadeAnybody?
13:34.53afatGuerin: You see I have KDE install and when I'm working with my mouse or doing typo It Just stops responding-( Not the case with Gnome) IT seems like when there's HardDisk activ.. it does that. How can I fix it. ( and no it's not a hardware problem - I guess) There...
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13:35.05Guerinafat: ask #kde.
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13:35.19bob2DrShade: that sounds more like a problem with your modem, if anything
13:35.43afatGuerin: I asked but no response... (MAYBE they are reparing this Bug now :p)
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13:37.23abrotmanafat: maybe you should try gnome
13:37.24Saafiroszsomeone totice thaha valknut (dc-gui) and the newest KDE 3.4 (from unstable sources) have dependence problems
13:37.24Saafirosz?
13:37.32abrotmanafat: maybe it's your screensaver?
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13:37.36Saafirosztotice = notice
13:37.39Saafiroszsorry
13:37.44S4nD3rIts impossible to use ABNT2 in X
13:37.46abrotmanSaafirosz: #debian-kde
13:37.57Eclipserbob2, here's what you asked, though with knoppix user since I had to boot to knoppix :)
13:37.58abrotmanS4nD3r: #debian-br
13:38.02GathondSaafirosz: yes, I heard one nag about that a couple of days ago, Im pretty sure its the whole C++ ABI change that has prompted it
13:38.06S4nD3rokkkkkeeeeyyyyy
13:38.07Eclipserdrwxrwsr-x   6 root    staff   4096 Sep  8 03:49 hda6/
13:38.07Eclipserdrwxr-xr-x  49 knoppix knoppix 4096 Sep 12 01:12 hda6/eclipser/
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13:38.19bob2Saafirosz: if they had, they would have reported the bug to the BTS
13:38.30Eclipserurf, this 60Hz is awful
13:38.39afatabrotman: well nope.. uhm... it does that when like I drop things at my HD...it gets me MAD..
13:38.46afatBut I'm cooly :)
13:38.54bob2Eclipser: and you can cd into it now?
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13:39.00abrotmanafat: use something other than KDE .. see if the problem goes away
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13:39.33Eclipserbob2, yes, but I can't login when I boot to debian, it just says can't cd to /home/eclipser (or any other user I have)
13:39.38Saafiroszbob2 where I can se the BTS-s
13:39.46valdynafat: are you using a debian kernel?
13:39.53afatabrotman: ofcourse I have Gnome on other PCs...and works fine... But I don't have time to replace this one... a Fix would be fine..
13:39.54ShadurEclipser: Can you log in as root?
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13:40.02bob2Eclipser: is /home mounted then? can you login as root?
13:40.07bob2Saafirosz: bugs.debian.org
13:40.12afatvaldyn: yeah! :D
13:40.13Eclipserdidn't try that, how stupid of me...
13:40.14abrotmanafat: then ask #debian-kde  or #kde
13:40.16Saafiroszbb2 Thanks
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13:40.24afatwhat kinda.. Q was that:p
13:40.44afatabrotman: I tried there where no Response...
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13:41.04valdynafat: mouse freezing when there's disk activity could be a kernel issue
13:41.07abrotmanafat: then wait ....
13:41.10abrotmanor don't use KDE
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13:41.22abrotmanor check the BTS
13:41.33juhnohii
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13:42.03afatvaldyn: Really - then why when using Gnome.. it handles in a different manner?
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13:42.26valdynafat: the trigger can be quite specific, but that it happens at all can be the kernel.
13:42.50abrotmanthen don't use KDE
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13:43.06abrotmanwow .. look .. KDE broken .. .Gnome not .. But i'll keep using KDE .. yay me
13:43.13afatabrotman: OKAy:p
13:43.15valdynafat: now you could try a random different kernel or what abrotman sais
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13:43.30afatwell yeah...
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13:43.44abrotmani would at least try something other than KDE .. try to narrow down the cause of your problem
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13:44.03afatKDE is on server so no biggy.... But when I'm working with maya it Gets me MAD!!
13:44.14abrotmanservers shouldn't run X
13:44.26fireba11if you can help it ...
13:44.29afatyeah:p
13:44.31Eclipseruh
13:44.39ViO|Manixanyone know anything about IP's and netmasks?
13:44.39Eclipserok, root login works :)
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13:44.44fireba11sadly i need it because controlling VMware without X is a pain in the a**
13:44.45afatBut I don't know how to download torrent without X11 :p
13:44.50bob2ViO|Manix: best to just ask your question
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13:44.57bob2Eclipser: sounds like /home isn't being mounted
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13:45.02Eclipserbob2, it is actually
13:45.07Eclipser/dev/hda6 on /home type ext3 (rw)
13:45.11bob2Eclipser: and it looks intact?
13:45.19abrotmanafat: there are ncurses interfaces for pirating software
13:45.28Eclipserbob2, yep
13:45.28bob2Eclipser: do the homedirs in /etc/passwd look reasonable?
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13:45.33valdyn!info rtorrent
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13:45.39dpkgrtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.3.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 149 kB, Installed size: 524 kB
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13:45.49abrotman!prize valdyn
13:45.54valdyn^^^ wont just work on sarge though
13:45.56afatabrotman: really? (I'm a newster about Linux :p)
13:46.06Eclipserbob2, yep
13:46.12abrotmanvaldyn: there is  bttornado-ncurses i think
13:46.13Eclipserbob2, they're the ones they should be
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13:46.27stewabrotman: just bittornado
13:46.38Eclipserit says
13:46.40EclipserUnable to cd to "/home/eclipser"
13:46.43Eclipserwhen I log in
13:46.48hyardleydvd writer only writes cdroms, what package is like prodvd for writing dvds?
13:46.48abrotmanstew: my brother made me ride very far yesterday :)
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13:47.05duckyI know you can do a 'apt-get update'  and then a 'apt-get -u upgrade' but is there a way to just list the available patches before you install them?
13:47.05abrotmanafat: as stew said .. bittornado
13:47.06bob2Eclipser: but you can login as root, su to eclipser, then cd successfully?
13:47.06ViO|Manixwe have 5 IP addresses...but only 1 is setup...can anyone help/know how to configure ifconfig?
13:47.15abrotmanstew: from Spring Mountain to VF
13:47.17stewabrotman: good for him!  I actually did a decent ride on saturday for the first time in a long time
13:47.18bob2ViO|Manix: /msg dpkg man interfaces
13:47.28hmakholmducky: Use aptitude. Nice interactive interface.
13:47.30abrotmanstew: but we did stop in the middle for lunch in collegeville :)
13:47.40valdynhyardley: dvd+rw-tools
13:47.41afatabrotman: Okay I got it
13:47.45Eclipserbob2, let's see
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13:47.58hmakholmducky: (But just 'apt-get upgrade' ought to give you an opportunity to answer No to proceed)
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13:47.59Eclipserfastpoke:~# su eclipser
13:47.59EclipserNo shell
13:48.01stewabrotman: how far is that?
13:48.07duckyhmakholm: I need to do this from the command line
13:48.21abrotmanstew: 15-ish each way on the Perkiomen/SchuylkillRiver Trails
13:48.33stewducky: apt-get -s upgrade
13:48.34hyardleyvaldyn: tks :0
13:49.03abrotmanstew: crushed stone/paved/dirt ..
13:49.12stewsounds nice
13:49.29duckystew: thanks
13:49.39abrotmanstew: not much traffic .. except the buttheads down towards VF that use the trail as high speed training
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13:50.02afatNow.. speaking of servers I have an other piece here...you see I'm a clumzy and When I had windows I brought some NIc's. But now that I saw the LinuxLight I want to use Those Nics for Linux and I have seen that the NIcs aren't fitting with Linux and only can be loadede with modules//Now I want to Boot Diskless - how is that done? :)
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13:51.36anda_linuxhi
13:51.56raz___lo
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13:52.49abrotmanafat: you need PXE machines with a TFTP server .. google for "linux diskless client"
13:52.53elmagohi guys
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13:53.26hyardleyvaldyn: xcdroast complains after installing dvd+rw-tools about prodvd being installed to write dvds
13:53.27elmagoi have a problem, i cant find my pci wlan card
13:53.39elmagoi tried lspci and it isnt listed
13:53.44Eclipserbob2, solved :)
13:53.46elmagowhat can i do?
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13:53.49bob2then it's not physically plugged in
13:53.55elmagoit is
13:53.59bob2or it's listed with no further information
13:54.02bob2Eclipser: what was it?
13:54.04elmagowindows detects it correctly
13:54.08raz___irq problem ?
13:54.10raz___ah
13:54.11Eclipserfastpoke:~# chmod +x /
13:54.11Eclipserfastpoke:~# su eclipser
13:54.11Eclipsereclipser@fastpoke:/root$
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13:54.36elmagoirq?
13:55.07Eclipserbob2, stupid backed up symlinks screwed me up
13:55.08elmagohas anybody a idea?
13:55.11afatabrotman: uhm I have boooted with aPXE car... the thing is I have a Nic that is loaded only by a Module... How can I Diskless ( I guess just before getting the root filesystem it needs to have a wrking NIC and..well I'm a newbie at this..I guess it's scripts-work right?)
13:55.18yang26Where could I add my script to execute on the bootup?
13:55.22anda_linuxcan someone please help me with my teamspeak 2 server? it runs on a debian v-server. i can start it as root but not as normal user
13:55.22raz___interrupt request
13:55.50bob2elmago: paste the full output of "lspci" to #flood
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13:55.54bob2yang26: what is it supposed to do?
13:55.57abrotmanafat: you're going to have to read .. you may need a custom kernel
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13:56.03raz___physical memory part allocated to manage the interface
13:56.12hmakholmyang26: /etc/rcS.d -- if that is really what you want
13:56.20yang26bob2: its supposed to add and configure IPv6 tunnel
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13:56.24raz___but if the card work on windows thats not the problm
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13:57.02bob2yang26: /msg dpkg rc.local
13:57.09bob2yang26: which is a bad factoid, but has the gist of what to do
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13:57.18elmagoi have
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13:58.13yang26well i dont know what that says
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13:58.23elmagobob2: as you see there is no wlan card listed
13:58.24afatabrotman:  I see...... Uhm.. I was guessing the first thing around the booting procces would be to load the module for the nic- to get the rest of the info Via Network.. is that loacated in the kernel or somekinda script?
13:58.26yang26i have to read 10 manuals just to run one script
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13:58.31bob2presumably it's 23:57:16         elmago |  0000:01:07.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Tech
13:58.38ViO|Manixbob2 he didnt answer
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13:58.43bob2elmago: bet tou need ndiswrapper for that
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13:59.00elmagothats another network card on my motherboard
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13:59.01bob2!+man interfaces
13:59.01dpkgEdit /etc/network/interfaces.  For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp     For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg
13:59.06bob2ViO|Manix: read that
13:59.07elmagoit supports gigabyte lan
13:59.10bob2elmago: no, it's not
13:59.14bob2elmago: no, read again
13:59.16abrotmanafat: i would guess the PXE card gets the kernel and some other base stuff from the tftp server .. then boots it .. this is where reading helps
13:59.20abrotmanbah ..
13:59.25abrotman!hump ticketmaster
14:00.35ViO|Manixyeah i have no idead what numbers to put in :(
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14:01.07elmagoyou mean 0000:01:07.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Tech this is the wlan card?
14:01.08abrotmanhow much would i be willing to pay to see Cream?
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14:01.21bob2elmago: could be
14:01.32bob2ViO|Manix: you're not using dhcp?
14:01.36bob2then talk to your network admin
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14:01.56afatabrotman: Uhm... yeah- I have booted diskless. That was with a Linux campatible card. But this one is Module loadble only... it will start the pxe and start the Vmlinuz but it will not start the Module automaticlly...
14:02.16abrotmanafat: then you'll need a custom kernel afaik
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14:02.58elmagothx i try ndiswrapper
14:03.03elmagoperhaps it works
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14:03.12elmagootherwise i come back ;)
14:03.17drc_damn aptitude is funny, I removed some useless packages and it started installing some bullshit, then next I installed something I needed it remvoed them as being useless. =)
14:03.27metaperlhow do I clear the DNS cache on my machine?
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14:03.44bob2depends which bit
14:03.47stewmetaperl: are you running a dns server on your machine?
14:03.51bob2mozilla and firefox may just have to be restarted
14:03.52afatabrotman:  I see...so I would have to do something around the Card that is Module-only in the Kernel config - But what if the name isn't in the kernel?
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14:03.54abrotmanmetaperl: for which app ?
14:03.55metaperlstew: no I dont think so
14:03.57bob2if it's bind9, you can send it a signal
14:03.59wamin "top": when priority is 20 - does this mean, the task gets much cpu or (nearly) no cpu?
14:03.59metaperlmy web browsers
14:04.04abrotmanafat: which card is it
14:04.11stewmetaperl: then the only cache is in your browser, just restart that
14:04.13abrotmanmetaperl:  i know opera caches stuff .. restart opera
14:04.21metaperlok
14:04.30ViO|Manixeth0 is setup..but thats only 1ip
14:04.34afatabrotman: advantek  ALN-101C
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14:04.36bob2wam: little
14:04.40bob2wam: man nice, I'd think
14:04.43abrotmanafat: i meant the driver .. sorry
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14:04.47wamcool - thanks ;)
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14:05.10afatabotman: Just a sec...
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14:05.26afatabrotman: just a sec:p
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14:05.51RA_hi
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14:05.59stewViO|Manix: you know what your other 4 ip addresses / netmasks are?
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14:06.11ViO|Manixi know the IP addresses
14:06.45theD3viLWhere to disable KDE sounds? (or disable arts at all) .. like in gnome disable sound server ?
14:06.47bob2then find out the netmask and gateway
14:06.49bob2and you're all set
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14:07.07valdyntheD3viL: surprisingly in the control center
14:07.07fireba11and dns ^^
14:07.08ViO|Manixnetmask and gateway will be the same for the others?
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14:07.34stewViO|Manix: probably, are all 5 ip addresses "next to" eachother?
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14:07.39ViO|Manixyeah
14:07.48petemcViO|Manix: whats the netmmask you have?
14:07.48afatabrotman: Driver = sundance (But I don't know if that is the DriverName.. But I'm 60% sure it is :p)
14:07.50theD3viLvaldyn, yes.. i know.. but i didnt find anything :\
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14:08.09ViO|Manix255 255 255 248
14:08.22petemcthats a /29 then, you should have 6 ips
14:08.34stewViO|Manix: then edit /etc/network interfaces, copy the "eth0" section, and make  "eth0:1", "eth0:2", etc. sections with the other ips, the :1, :2, :3... sections do not need gateway, just address and netmask
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14:08.53abrotmanafat: then you need to compile a kernel with that in the kernel instead of a module
14:08.57abrotmanafat: please read the docs
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14:09.07bob2with one gone for the broadcast?
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14:09.41abrotmanafat: http://hobbes.jct.ac.il/docs/Diskless-HOWTO.html ... etc .. google "Linux diskless client"
14:09.43ViO|Manixso i DONT need to put the netmask and gateway for others?
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14:09.53afatabrotman: Uhm... so I can use a Driver that is not Listed in the kernel? ! : - |
14:10.06abrotmanafat: you need to compile it in
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14:10.24petemcbob2: more likely the router
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14:10.28stewViO|Manix: netmask yes, gateway no
14:10.30bob2hm
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14:10.41ViO|Manixty ioll try that
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14:11.29afatabrotman: Well thanks - I actually got help on a chat room :)  (( and for the 3rd tim I have booted Diskless and read all those Docs (I mean all)))
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14:12.47s0n1hi
14:12.47karma1quick question: How do I allow apache2 to pass through my firewall so outside clients can connect to the server? I've read man iptables but still confused as to how I open port 80
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14:12.57s0n1have donwload client ICA for debian ? .deb ??
14:13.02s0n1or download tar.gz
14:13.05s0n1???
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14:13.27ViO|Manixok i put those in there...anything i have to do to get them to work?
14:13.35bob2karma1: Debian has no firewall by default
14:13.40ViO|Manixstew
14:13.45Syph0ns0n1: english maybe?
14:14.22karma1bob2: but I still cant connect to the server from another computer =\
14:14.40bob2karma1: then the problem is with the other computer or the network
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14:14.41valdyn!port forwarding
14:14.41dpkgfrom memory, port forwarding is handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables).  See transparent proxy for more info.  See port forward for more info also
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14:14.46karma1i can connect fine using the internal ip, but not the externel
14:14.55bob2there yo ugo then
14:15.06bob2you messed up the config of whatever device forwards it in
14:15.07s0n1Syph0n : exist download for client ICA (cytrix metaframe) for debian?
14:15.08timgoh0karma1: verify that there are no iptables rules. Do iptables -L and see if there is anything
14:15.17ricky_clarksonThat's it.  I'm going to speak Spanish.  Nobody seems to be able to speak English properly.
14:15.26timgoh0karma1: Ignore that. I saw your later reply.
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14:15.43Syph0ns0n1: apt-cache search
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14:16.06timgoh0karma1: What is sitting between you and the external ip ranges?
14:16.39karma1timgoh0: hmm, what do you mean
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14:17.01timgoh0karma1: Do you have any networking device sitting between your outside and internal machines?
14:17.22karma1just a router
14:17.33karma1firewall on the router is disabled tho
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14:17.40valdynohno, "just a router"
14:17.46timgoh0karma1: Are you running NAT on the router?
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14:17.50karma1lol
14:17.55timgoh0valdyn: I feel your pain.
14:17.58valdynkarma1: you have to make your router forward port 80 to your webserver
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14:18.13karma1ahh gotcha
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14:18.33stewViO|Manix: ifup eth0:1
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14:18.42DrShadeHmm - can anybody explain the existance of the 'sit0' interface on ifconfig -a ?
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14:19.01valdynDrShade: like eth0, just for ipv6
14:19.04stewViO|Manix: if you put "auto eth0:1", etc in there they will come up automatically when networking is (re)started
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14:19.16timgoh0DrShade: It's the ipv6 interface.
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14:19.20DrShadevaldyn, cool, so it's just a v6 endpoint?
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14:19.29eXa_bOychkconfig --add squid
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14:19.45eXa_bOyhow do i get chkconfig?
14:19.46valdynDrShade: an ipv6 network interface... like eth0 is an ipv4 network interface
14:19.51steweXa_bOy: /msg dpkg red hat tools
14:19.52DrShadek
14:20.05eXa_bOyerm.. im on debian
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14:20.53valdynDrShade: both probably use the same hardware
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14:20.54afatthe afat will be back later ( with more tricky question :p)
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14:20.54valdynDrShade: oh, i was wrong, sorry, its the ipv6->ipv4 bridge
14:20.55karma1lol, got it working... I dunno why I didnt even think bout the port forward via router, im dumb, =\
14:20.55timgoh0DrShade: Actually it's the ipv6 tunnel interface. ipv6 addresses should show up on your actual interface
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14:21.09eXa_bOystew thats not making sense for me mate.
14:21.14stew!red hat tools
14:21.15dpkgIf you're a (former) Red Hat user looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc.
14:21.18eXa_bOyapt-get install
14:21.24steweXa_bOy: use update-rc.d or rcconf
14:21.31eXa_bOyok thanks
14:21.39valdynDrShade: you can see that on the "Protocol:" line
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14:26.23ViO|Manixstew ty so much...that worked
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14:26.33SeboOne question: How to read those stuff that kernel displays at screen while bootup??
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14:26.46streunerSebo: dmesg
14:27.24streunerSebo: less /var/log/dmesg for the complete output
14:27.27SeboI knew i've missed some letter :]
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14:28.21lestesthi there ... what if a 3.1 machine doesn't poweoff?
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14:28.31hagen_hello.. i am n00b at shell scripting...
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14:28.49hagen_i am trying to make a script to automatically create Maildir for users...
14:28.54streunerlestest: what does 'cat /proc/version' say?
14:29.17lestest2.4.27-2-386
14:29.19hagen_the problem is.. i must do su <unsername> before exec "maildirmake" command
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14:29.42hagen_if i do an exit after that... the script stops :( any idea how to do that?
14:30.11hagen_i mean.. how can i make script to continue processing?
14:30.27jethrohagen_: use sudo
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14:31.21hmakholmhagen_: su username -c <command goes here>
14:31.25jethrohagen_: I wrote a replacement of pam_mkhomedir using ksh and sudo
14:31.48lesteststreuner: why?
14:31.49jethrohmakholm: su is not easy to use in scripts, since it requires a password, where you can use the NOPASSWD: option in sudoers
14:32.05streunerlestest: show us the whole output
14:32.13jethrostreuner: helo
14:32.38lestestLinux version 2.4.27-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005
14:32.43streunerjethro: hi
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14:32.51hagen_hmakholm,jethro: thx
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14:33.06streunerlestest: grub or lilo?
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14:39.54nksenno matter which gtk-them I use, the fonts are unreadable small :/
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14:40.19streunerlestest: odd, didn't have apm loaded and no entry in lilo, but PC shutdown perfect...
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14:41.30fireba11streuner: sometimes it just works ..
14:41.46lestestI'had also problems running a 2.6.8kernel
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14:42.10fireba11on my PC at home it took 2 hours to get it working, here i just installed debian and it worked
14:42.20bibelestest : sorry for the possibly dumb question... what command shows the compiler used to build the kernel? I tried 'uname -a' but no way to get the gcc version...
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14:42.30caphusobibe: cat /proc/version
14:42.51bibecaphuso : thank you very much
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14:43.58lestestbibe: as streuner asked cat /proc/version
14:44.19lesteststreuner: I have a kernel panic if I try to run a 2.6.8 kernel
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14:44.39zOapis shfs become a kernel module available from modconf yet?
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14:45.22lestest/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file
14:45.23Zedmanhello. are there any mirrors providing still "woody" ?
14:46.28ZombZedman: many, use "oldstable" as branch
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14:46.34ryusheå/window balance
14:46.35spoopinZedman: yes. all of them, I think
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14:46.50IO80hi all!!!
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14:46.59bibeZedman : I think most of the mirrors still provide woody. Simply use 'woody' or 'oldstable' as branch
14:47.00IO80Do Debian Support jffs2?!
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14:47.10Zedmanthank you
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14:47.52ryushewhat would bea good irc server to run for a small scale irc server?
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14:48.49dracIO80: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/fs/jffs2/jffs2.ko
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14:48.51Eulexlestest, sata disc?
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14:49.07bibeIO80 : have you got a debian "stock" kernel installed on your machine? Try 'grep JFFS2_FS /boot/config-*' and see
14:49.08debian707hi, where can i find de configuration file for apache?
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14:49.16snadgehow do i disallow a particular login to ssh/telnet? but still allow ftp? :)
14:49.18zOapanyone know of a shfs-module package for 2.6.12-1-686?
14:49.25stewdebian707: /etc/apache/
14:49.27ryushedebian707 > /etc/apache(2)/
14:49.29IO80i use windows :D
14:49.41asgzOap: using sid?
14:49.44debian707thanks :)
14:49.46Eulexdebian707, apache 1.3 or apache 2.0?
14:49.56bibeIO80 : and the answer is yes... kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 provides JFFS2 support "out of the box"
14:49.57zOapasg, is it?
14:49.57draczOap: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant linux-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i shfs would build your own package.
14:50.02debian707apache 2  Eulex
14:50.09snadgedoes ssh have a deny list?
14:50.11asgzOap: well, 2.6.12-1.686 is a sid kernel
14:50.14cockroachokay, this is not exactly a debian issue, but maybe somebody knows: my thinkpad x41 does not appear to send an (acpi-)event when i press the power button. other buttons, however, do work (sleep, for instance). i tried using the ibm_acpi module but that didn't have any effect either. what else could i try?
14:50.15zOapdrac, I know, but somehow my m-a is broken...
14:50.16IO80bibe thank u! :)
14:50.22Eulexdebian707, /etc/apache2/ then
14:50.23bibeIO80 : no problem
14:50.23zOapasg, thanks
14:50.31asgzOap: shfs-module-2.6.12-1-686 and there's the package for the module, in sid.
14:50.45asgzOap: I know it works because i built it yesterday using m-a
14:50.57ZedmanI didn't find a mirror with woody or oldstbale. is there anybody, who has an idea?
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14:51.11asgZedman: /msg dpkg mirrors
14:51.23bibecockroach : did you install both acpi and acpid packages?
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14:51.35ryushewhat would be a good irc server to run for a small scale irc server?
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14:51.40ryusheircd ?
14:51.42stewZedman: ftp.xx.debian.org/debian where xx is your country code
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14:52.10cockroachbibe: yes.
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14:52.34DrShadeI'm callin it a night gang.  Be well everybody!
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14:52.55bibecockroach : and is acpid up and running?
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14:53.13scxhi there red people
14:53.15cockroachbibe: yes. and if i run acpid -fd i see the sleep event but no event for the power button.
14:53.23zOapasg, I can't find the package shfs-module-2.6.12-1-686 in debian.org package search.. in any of the distros...
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14:54.04asgzOap: that's because you have to build it with m-a
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14:54.23zOapasg, but you said it was in sid?
14:54.29bibecockroach : did you try tuxmobil.org?
14:54.42cockroachbibe: no. i'll have a look. thanks
14:54.56Zedmanand how to set aumix to the default mixer?
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14:55.03asgzOap: A prebuilt module isn't, no, but the source and utils are.
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14:55.34RvGaTeYo, anyone knows how to setup a vpn server using debian Sarge?
14:55.44Eulexz0ap, m-a a-i shfs
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14:56.02zOapasg, but the sources and utils doesnt mind if you're in sid, stable or whatever. I asked for a module, since my m-a is gone bad, not the sources
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14:56.27asgzOap: then fix m-a. Why is it broken.
14:56.42bibecockroach : https://www.net-track.ch/opensource/articles/x41.php seems very detailed. See if you can adapt the lm_lid.sh script to your needs
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14:56.49hagen_RvGate: take a look at http://openvpn.net/
14:57.12hagen_Rvgate: i did set up a *very* simple one.. so doc at that page worked for me
14:57.14cockroachbibe: it's not the lid. and if i don't get an acpi event a script won't help much :)
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14:59.14RvGaTehagen_: what im trying to do is create a vpn server, with multible clients, and make sure the clients are plugged in the network where the server is at... (so the server acts like a secure virtual switch)
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15:00.53mwelshin rhythmbox/musicplayer, when i attempt to play a file, i get an error "Could not create audio output element; check your settings" but I can't seem to find any way to actually check my settings. suggestions?
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15:03.13Eulexmwelsh, does sound work in other programs?
15:03.49mwelshEulex: yes, it works in xmms
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15:04.38Eulexmwelsh, alsa or oss? and do you use any audio server?
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15:04.58rjalexWhy does the user nobody have /bin/sh and not /bin/false as it's shell ??????????
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15:05.14caphusorjalex: why not?
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15:05.50rjalexIf the user nobody should never login it is an unnecessary security exposure to have it capable of entering a regular shell
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15:06.05caphusorjalex: the only way to log in as user nobody is to use su as root
15:06.06mwelshEulex: I believe oss, and I'm not sure.  I didn't set up this machine I'm using. Is there a way to check?
15:06.21Eulexmwelsh, check the settings of xmms
15:06.25elephantmanHi all
15:06.34caphusorjalex: and if your security is so bad that people who aren't allowed to be nobody have root access, then you're fucked anyway
15:06.36elephantmanHow can i batch repair corrupted jpeg files ?
15:06.41mentorrjalex: So you can su nobody to run untrusted things?
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15:07.01elephantmanI found a software that does it but its a one by one repair
15:07.09rjalexcaphuso: this comment comes from a few vulerabilty audit software such as tiger, nessus etc ...
15:07.22Eulexelephantman, create a script
15:07.26azeemelephantman: run it in a shell loop, if it has a comamnd-line interface
15:07.26caphusorjalex: those tools don't replace common sense
15:07.40azeemlike for i in *jpg; do software $i $i.fixed; done
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15:07.51RvGaTehagen_?
15:07.56mwelshEulex: oss driver 1.2.10
15:07.58rjalexcaphuso: wow, great insight :)
15:08.03asgcaphuso: I thought Big Company(TM) sold common sense for $5 per seat?
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15:08.12rjalexasg: lol
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15:08.28hagen_RvGate: i am sure u got enough info about doing that ... at openvpn site
15:08.31caphusoasg: stop reading your spam folder :)
15:08.32RvGaTehagen_: are you connected to the vpn server using the build in vpn client from windowsxp ?
15:08.35rjalexasg: open source common sense is better than corporate sommon sonse since it's GPL ! :)
15:08.55asgcaphuso: I don't have any in mine, I have to read the CIO's though since he can't tag ham worth a toss :)
15:09.04hagen_Rvgate: no.. i am using openvpn package for both client and server side
15:09.07caphusoasg: haha
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15:09.24RvGaTehagen_: any ideas of the windowsxp one works with openvpn ?
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15:09.31asgcaphuso: :)
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15:10.56hagen_Rvgate: no sorry.. i have no used windows for two years now... :-(
15:11.02elephantmanazeem: this software has no command line toole
15:11.09elephantmanEulex : bis
15:11.15Zedmanis there something special I have to mention when I am unsing the debian-netinstaller?
15:11.20RvGaTehagen_: hmm, ok (good choice really)
15:11.21OrynRvGaTe: yes
15:11.42RvGaTeOryn: alright, thx :)
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15:11.54OrynRvGaTe: pptpd + mppe
15:12.01streunerZedman: /msg dpkg ig
15:12.06Eulexmwelsh, I dunno
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15:12.21RvGaTeOryn: let me guess, poptop.org ?
15:12.24Eulexelephantman, then I guess you're SOL
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15:12.35elephantmanEulex: ok thanx
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15:13.13OrynRvGaTe: you have 3 choices: pptp, openvpn or l2tp
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15:13.40Eulexelephantman, first time I heard someone say thanks to someone saying he's SOL :)
15:13.40Orynthere is an openvpn client for XP just google for win32 openvpn
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15:13.49Eulex!sol
15:13.50dpkgsomebody said sol was Shit Outta Luck.  Sex On Legs.  Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer
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15:14.25RvGaTeOryn: the thing is, i dont want any third party programs to be ran on any machine to connect to the server... this is due the lag of knowledge from the people behind it
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15:14.56ciroroOn upgrading apache to 1.3.3-6sarge1 I just get "Setting up apache (1.3.33-6sarge1) ..." and then " subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10" without any clues why
15:14.59cirorohow can I fix this?
15:15.15swardHmm, I missed this post: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg00006.html  Yay!
15:15.23rjalexAny common sense opinions on password aging for a persoanl computer running Linux living a fair amount of it's life attached to Internet ?
15:15.29OrynRvGaTe: to get pptp or l2tp to work with any sensable form of encryption you need the mppe patch for your kernel
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15:15.58bhearsumwhat package do i reconfigure to change locales?
15:16.11lestest_I'm having a lot of troubles installing debian 3.1 on my PC: if I use 2.4 kernel it doesn't let me switch to kernel 2.6 after the installation is finished. The installation process with the 2.6 kernel doesn't detect the cdrom device. Any clue?
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15:16.20Eulexciroro, any more info than that? any more errors?
15:16.24ciroronope :(
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15:16.45cirorobut I did have some hard-reboots due to power loss lately
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15:16.50Eulexlestest, just install another kernel after finishing the installation with the 2.4 kernel
15:16.57Eulexciroro, fsck'ed your fs?
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15:17.05ciroroautomatically on every boot
15:17.09swardbhearsum: locales :)
15:17.14glmbhearsum, dpkg-reconfigure locales
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15:17.16jc__hi
15:17.20bhearsumthanks guys
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15:17.22bhearsumoh wow
15:17.26bhearsumits not even installed
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15:17.27bhearsum*blinks*
15:17.38jc__hi
15:17.40rjalex[OT] anyone using GAIM know how to avoid the entering/leaving the room messages ? Thx
15:18.19ciroroany other ideas Eulex?
15:18.37Eulexciroro, read this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/03/msg00497.html and try to apply to your situation
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15:19.08ciroronice
15:19.11Eulexciroro, though don't attempt to do dpkg --purge package
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15:20.11valdynciroro: those scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/, apache.postinst is the failing file.
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15:21.28valdynrjalex: '/ignore JOINS PARTS QUITS' doesnt work?
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15:21.52ciroroyeah, found the file; the last line before the error is "/usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache internal quiet"
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15:22.34ciroroand it does give error 10 when I run that line
15:22.42twentyonehow do I get back into the debian installer to reconfigure X?
15:22.50valdyn!drxx twentyone
15:22.50greycat!drxx twentyone
15:22.50dpkgtwentyone: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]   (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
15:22.52cirorobut no more info :(
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15:23.04RvGaTeOryn: strange, the documentation says i need to patch the kernel to use mppe, but when working trough the docs to do so, it says unable to open file when trying to install needed packages... does this mean its a corrupt package on the server? or just the wrong files..?
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15:23.31twentyoneexcellent thanks
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15:23.58twentyonewhat's the x config file called?
15:24.08twentyoneand is it in /etc/somewhere?
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15:24.31valdynciroro: put an exit into that file, above wherever that error is caused, and purge apache, and install it again.
15:24.32Eulextwentyone, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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15:24.51twentyonemarvelous, thank you both very much
15:24.58valdynciroro: you'll loose your config with that, so back it up if you need ..
15:25.08cirorovaldyn: okay, why not just comment out that line?
15:25.21valdynciroro: oh, you can do that too
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15:25.41valdynciroro: i dont know what it does though, so I'd still reinstall apache
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15:25.45ciroroI commented out and tried again, it halts somewhere else
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15:25.58cirorookay Ill try some commenting out and reinstall finally
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15:28.46valdyn!find usr/sbin/apache-modconf
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15:29.07dpkgDebian Search of 'usr/sbin/apache-modconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/apache-modconf) in web/apache-common.
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15:29.29valdynciroro: same for apache-common ( purge and install.. )
15:29.59cirorookay, thanks a lot (apache is working now)
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15:35.09debian707anyone knows how to restar apache?
15:35.15OrynRvGaTe: its more likely you have a kernel that the patch wont work with or you dont have the kernel source installed
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15:35.23pirredebian707: have you read the manual?
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15:35.27Gathond/etc/init.d/apache restart (or apache2 for apache 2.x)
15:35.40streunerdebian707: or apachectl restart
15:35.45debian707Gathond thank you :D
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15:36.00debian707streuner ok thanks :)
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15:38.57RvGaTeOryn: is it possible to make a connection without the encryption, or does winxp uses it by default...
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15:39.19OrynRvGaTe: yup
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15:39.37RvGaTealright
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15:39.40Orynbut you need to tell xp not to require encryption
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15:43.13Dantixhi all, from a 2 weeks ago I'm experiencing problems to apt-get, the first error is: http://pastebin.com/361579 I don't understand why apt wnats to remove for example kernel-image...
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15:44.01RichiHit's time for a spambot kline session
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15:45.13valdynDantix: you must have done evil things with dpkg in the past, try apt-get update && apt-get -f install && apt-get upgrade first
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15:45.47Dantixvaldyn: it's a fresh installation
15:45.58valdynDantix: ehe
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15:46.36Dantixvaldyn: it's the first apt-get I've done after intalled
15:46.43valdynDantix: run what i said anyway. and fyi that kernel-image was never released with sarge / stable, so it cannot be that new
15:46.48pabloso_scorphushi. man page for mknode says: mknod [OPTION]... NAME TYPE [MAJOR MINOR]. What do major and minor mean?
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15:47.00Zugschlushm. I have a binary-only program which doesn't run on Debian ("symbol h_errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference"). Any ideas which legacy library I might be missing?
15:47.24valdynDantix: you're probably running an ancient testing or unstable snapshot of debian
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15:48.18jamuraapabloso_scorphus: you probably don't want to call mknod yourself if yuo don't know what MAJOR and MINOR are
15:48.30Dantixvaldyn: I'm installing from an ISO of netinstaller, may be a little old, but it works for me allways, do you advice download a new version?
15:48.37vorsprungif I've installed a package "hostap-source" which contains an extra kernel module, hwo do I use make-kpkg to build a module correctly?
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15:48.46pabloso_scorphusjamuraa: exactly
15:48.47jamuraapabloso_scorphus: what are you trying to do?
15:49.06pabloso_scorphusjamuraa: I need to create the /dev/net/tun device
15:49.25vorsprungmake-kpkg will build a "hostap" deb and a kernel also but the two .deb don't seem compatible
15:49.38vorsprungI guess I am missing some magic
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15:49.44valdynDantix: you shouldnt be using an unreleased old netinstall. but you can still run what i said, just dont use that installer image again.
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15:50.25jamuraapabloso_scorphus: (cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV tun)
15:50.32Dantixvaldyn: ok
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15:50.57vorsprungi had to symlink the module directory into the kernel source directory to make it work at all
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15:51.31pabloso_scorphusjamuraa: thank you
15:51.35valdynDantix: im sure it works for you to "install" as it would for most people, but for adding drivers or some other things it will just make things unpredictable or just add work.
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15:52.23valdynDantix: oh and, you might want to read your /etc/apt/sources.list
15:53.18valdynDantix: its probably set to testing, which also might not be what you want.
15:53.28Dantixvaldyn: I'm using a mirror from Argentina at sources.list
15:54.24Dantixvaldyn: yes that right, my sources.list is pointing testing.... for me testing = sarge that is wrong?
15:54.39stew!testing
15:54.39dpkgtesting is probably a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing.  Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release.
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15:54.58valdynDantix: that is wrong
15:54.59stewdpkg: testing is now etch, sarge is now stable
15:54.59dpkg...but testing is already something else...
15:55.05stewerr
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15:55.27valdynDantix: if you already installed new packages and you want sarge, grab a sarge netinstall iso and reinstall.
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15:55.52puffAfternoon, uptime reports load is 21.
15:56.03Gathondpuff: busy system :)
15:56.05Dantixvaldyn: thanks
15:56.14puff21+.  Postfix appeared to be having some problems, so I stopped it, ten minutes later it's still at 21.00.
15:56.21ketoncan somone help i installed sarge but it didnt have nvidea drivers now i downloaded them but i just need to know how to get them off my usb drive and install
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15:56.45valdynketon: dont use nvidias installer
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15:57.06Gathondpuff: try using top of ps to check if any processes use alot of CPU time or there are alot of zombie processes around
15:57.07ketonno i downloaded them from here
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15:57.12ketona .deb file
15:57.16greycat!nvidia one-liner
15:57.16dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
15:57.19puffGathond: not seeing anything obvious.
15:57.28ketondoesnt work
15:57.36Eulex!doesn't work
15:57.36dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
15:57.40hmakholmpuff: Try top.
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15:57.46valdynketon: why doesnt it work?
15:57.48Gathondpuff: no zombies? or perhaps process in the D state (in ps aux)
15:57.53ketoni need to get it off my usb first
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15:58.18valdyn!usb-storage
15:58.18dpkgLoad the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules.  Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something.  Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table.  Create an entry in /etc/fstab like:  "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb".  Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will.
15:58.22ketoncan we go in private chat val if you know what your doing
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15:58.41Eulexketon, you haven't got internet on the box you want to install the nvidia drivers on?
15:58.42valdynketon: no we cant, just follow dpkg
15:58.53ketonok
15:59.03ketonive go a win modem
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15:59.27ketonso i need to do everything outside of linux then come back and install
15:59.31isensisometimes i lose port 53 and pinging the isps gateway rises from 10's of ms to 1000's of ms, where could be the problem ?
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15:59.38greycator you could go buy a real modem.
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15:59.48puffGathond: Ah-hah!  Some procmail processes in D state.
15:59.54ketonanyway after ive mounted do i just use the one liner
16:00.06Eulexketon, no
16:00.14ketonthen what
16:00.17Eulexketon, what packages have you downloaded?
16:00.32ketonnvidiea glx
16:00.51ketonshould i download the module one too
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16:00.53keton?
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16:01.10puffGathond: is this what you mean:  http://pastebin.com/361603
16:01.29aldugwhere are the user's crontab entries stored on disk?
16:01.31Eulexketon, you need module-assistant, nvidia-source, nvidia-glx, nvidia-settings and build-essential
16:01.49ketonk
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16:01.54isensii mean dns lookups are fine , but sometimes it doesnt resolve , this is the isp's issue ?
16:01.55fluor-hi there, I just fucked /var/lib/dpkg/status - there a way I can rebuid a list of installed packages?
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16:01.59ketonyou can download that in one package right
16:02.00hmakholmketon: Take deep breath and look at the one liner. There are commands separated by &&. Do them one at a time, remembering to replace "apt-get install" by "download package and install it manually with dpkg"
16:02.12Gathondpuff: yes, those are there alot of those? 21 by any chance?
16:02.35ketonive got a wnmodem
16:02.43Eulexketon, also, m-a a-i nvidia wants to download nvidia-source
16:02.44puffGathond: Yes, many.
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16:02.46richartconta question.. what is "apt-get install -f"
16:03.01ketonok so ill skip that
16:03.01takatumiketon: get that working first then, painful but possible.
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16:03.04frankiealdug: see /var/spool/cron/crontabs/
16:03.06snailrichartcont: it's explained in the man page "man apt-get"
16:03.08Gathondpuff: that usually indicates the process is locked waiting for some IO event to happen
16:03.11puff19 of them.
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16:03.35ketonill download all the stuff first see ya later
16:03.46Gathondpuff: the problem there is they cant be killed or anything before that event happens (NFS does this if the contact to the server is load)
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16:04.01omryhi, I got a machine with a 2.6.7 kernel that works (from the initial installation). I want to upgrade to 2.6.13, but I can't get it to boot because my compiled kernel can't see the SATA disk. any idea how I can use information from the working kernel to build a working 2.6.13?
16:04.27Gathondpuff: load = lost, each of these processes wil however be seen as runnable, and therefore each contribute with 1.00 to the load average
16:04.40RvGaTeanyone has experience with setting up a vpn server using pptpd ? im having troubles with autherisation and connecting....
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16:04.44Gathondpuff: are that directory on some NFS filesystem that is down currently?
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16:04.50richartcontsnail, I see this in the instalation the plugins for macromedia flash with xxx.tar.gz
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16:04.55Gathondpuff: have to go, sorry, good luck
16:05.07valdynketon: if you wont get a network connection, look at apt-zip
16:05.20hmakholmomry: The installer kernel should drop a config file describing how it was built somewhere in /boot.
16:05.24puffGathond: Joy... thanks for helping me find the problem, anyway.
16:05.26richartcontsnail, I dont have connection for internet
16:05.42richartcontsnail, I have 14 cds of debian sarge
16:05.42ketonum i need help fining all the files ive got to sdownlaod
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16:05.47ketoni found some here
16:05.53ketonhttp://packages.debian.org/stable/source/nvidia-graphics-drivers
16:06.02puffGathond: Most likely the problem is the maildir in question has mail piling up, and new procmail processes get spawned and deadlock waiting for the old procmail process to finish.
16:06.06omryhmakholm, I seen it. I tried to copy that over .config in the linux source tree, and use make oldconfig. it didn't help..
16:06.33richartcontsnail, and for plugins I download xxx.tar for plugins for my mozilla
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16:06.49omryhmakholm, when the current kernel boots, I get something about NFORCE2-U400R-SATA in dmesg. I bet that's the module I need to compile into the kernel..
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16:06.56omryfrom the module, that is.
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16:07.16valdyn!initrd
16:07.16dpkginitrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or  ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint).  Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230
16:07.47hmakholmomry: Sorry, way beyond my competence.
16:08.01puffHm, fuck.  IRRC, last time I saw something like this happen, the only option was to reboot.
16:08.04ketonyeh can anyone help me find the files i need
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16:08.11omryhmakholm, thanks anyway.
16:08.35valdynketon: you find packages on http://packages.debian.org/. Get apt-zip there, and use apt-zip for installing new stuff.
16:08.48omryvaldyn, I happen to have another machine, different motherboard, same problem. initrd didn't help there - so I figured I`ll try to compile-into-the-kernel approach on that one.
16:09.01ketoni have a winmodem wil it work
16:09.03Eulexomry, you need to put whatever modules your filesystem and ide/sata disc in an initrd or compile them right into the kernel
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16:09.14valdynomry: your 2.6.7 kernel probably uses an initrd, but your new one does not, so you have to compile it in
16:09.21puffI hate rebooting... it just feels so windows-ish :-).
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16:09.52omryvaldyn, true. my 2.6.7 uses initrd.
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16:10.17antgelomry: why don't you just use a precompiled kernel?
16:10.18RvGaTeanyone has experience with setting up a vpn server using pptpd ? im having troubles with autherisation and connecting....
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16:11.00kikinovakHi. I just setup apache and php, and it works ok. Put a test.php page in /var/www/htdocs/test/, and lynx localhost/test/test.php outputs phpinfo(); Question: where do I put files _as a normal user_? So I can access them via lynx localhost/~kikinovak/   ?
16:11.00antgelRvGaTe: this is a can of worms.  are you sure you want to use pptp?  /msg dpkg anyone
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16:11.27antgelkikinovak: did you read the apache documentation?
16:11.27omryvaldyn, after I build a kernel with make-kpgk, and use mkinitrd, should modules I compiled get automatically into the initrd image?
16:11.42valdynomry: just compile the drivers in..
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16:11.44RvGaTeantgel: yes im sure
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16:12.20valdynomry: i cant help your with the initrd approach, never used one.
16:13.24omryvaldyn, I grepede the kernel source for NFORCE2-U400R-SATA, I saw it only in drivers/ide/pci/amd74xx.c, does it make sense at all?
16:13.24kikinovakantgel maybe a hint on what section it is in? I don't want to become an apache expert.
16:13.36kikinovakantgel this documentation is _very_ detailed
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16:13.42Unifiedhi
16:14.11Unifiedsince this is the only english speaking channel i'm in, i'm asking here: is north korea and iran typed correct?
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16:14.24valdynomry: use make menuconfig, nforce2 support is there explicitely, hard to miss
16:14.26shingouzUnified: yes
16:14.45valdynomry: oh, but you probably need nforce_sata
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16:14.54Unifiedthx
16:14.54shingouzUnified: of course they should be capitalized but the spelling is ok
16:14.57valdynomry: whatever that might be called
16:15.07Unifiedsure thing :)
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16:15.16Unifiedi wasn't really sure of the k in north korea...
16:15.24shingouzit is a k
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16:15.48Unifiedk thx then :)
16:15.52shingouzk
16:15.54shingouz;)
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16:16.25eXa_bOylol
16:16.39shingouzvery debian-specific that one :)
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16:16.48eXa_bOychkconfig --add squid
16:16.53antgelshame kikinovak has gone, i wanted to tell him that if he can't be bothered to read the docs, i can't be bothered to help him
16:17.05eXa_bOyi cant get this command to work, what do i need to install?
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16:17.17asgeXa_bOy: redhat
16:17.29asgeXa_bOy: or use rcconf or update-rc.d instead
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16:17.42antgel"i don't want to become an apache expert."  fucking hell
16:17.46valdynomry: BLK_DEV_AMD74XX is right, so what you said seems to be your driver
16:18.02antgelomry: did you see my question ^^^?
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16:19.06valdynomry: thats not gonna get your sata interface though
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16:19.30toad_what user does phpbb2 run under on apache2 (on stable)?
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16:20.05greycattoad_: is it somehow different from the user that apache2 runs as?
16:20.11eXa_bOychkconfig --add squid <--- how do i convert that to a update-rc.d ?
16:20.14stewtoad_: www-data
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16:20.19greycateXa_bOy: apt-get install squid
16:20.21steweXa_bOy: man update-rc.d
16:20.32RvGaTeIm trying to patch my kernel to support MPPE, im using this doc: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian-build.phtml , as you can see in the note at Instructions step B, i need to find the apporpriate kernel version... how do i know what version i need.. ?
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16:21.22EulexRvGaTe, uname -r
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16:21.39RvGaTei have..
16:22.04tchinohow can i see the window with all active user on the channel by xchat
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16:22.42EulexRvGaTe, and?
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16:23.02RvGaTeEulex: is there supposed to happen something?
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16:23.39omryantgel: two reasons: 1. I want to know how to do it.  2. I need to build some modules for it, and its best if I have the kernel tree fully configured for real.
16:23.46RvGaTe2.4.27-1-386
16:23.51RvGaTedamn paste
16:23.55EulexRvGaTe, it's supposed to  tell you what kernel you are running, so you can know what source you need
16:24.02RvGaTe2.4.27-1-386
16:24.10RvGaTewell, thats it :P
16:24.12Supaplexis there an echo in here here here here ?
16:24.20EulexRvGaTe, then get the source of 2.4.27-1-386
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16:24.25EulexSupaplex, yes yes yes yes
16:24.40omryvaldyn, what do you mean, with the SATA interface?
16:24.46RvGaTeSupaplex: sorry sorry sorry, my paste shortcut screw up up up up up...
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16:25.18SupaplexParse error, line 10773
16:25.20greycat2.4.27-1-386 is OBSOLETE and UNSUPPORTED.  you used a pre-release net installer.
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16:25.28greycatinstall 2.4.27-2-* instead.
16:25.56greycatthen you can use module-assistant and so on.
16:26.19RvGaTegreycat: does that means i need to reinstall the whole server? :S
16:26.38greycatno, hell no!
16:26.41EulexRvGaTe, no -- install another package and reboot
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16:26.48greycatwhich part of "install 2.4.27-2-* instead" confused you?
16:27.03RvGaTethe whole kernel patchingg confuses me...
16:27.12RvGaTeall the numbers
16:27.13greycatDO NOT attempt to patch a kernel's source tree.
16:27.15greycatJust use a kernel image.
16:27.15RvGaTeall going crazy
16:27.25greycatRvGaTe: which CPU is it?
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16:28.54RvGaTegreycat: i hoped you knew :P i installed the server like 6 months ago, updating stuff as i went, but never actually written down the specifications...
16:29.05greycatRvGaTe: cat /proc/cpuinfo  BUT DO NOT PASTE IT HERE!
16:29.07greycatfind out what CPU you have.
16:29.08kc9ddiI'm trying to install Sarge, but I'm getting an error from apt.  "The package exim4-base needs to be installed, but I can't find an archive for it."  What can I do about this?
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16:29.37RvGaTegreycat: its a P3, 1ghz
16:29.41greycatkc9ddi: use the official Debian install images.
16:29.43Zugschluskc9ddi: you're probably using a broken mirror, or your sources.list is misconfigured
16:29.51greycatRvGaTe: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686
16:30.05kc9ddigreycat: I'm using the rc2 installer I think - I had that disk laying around - should I upgrade?
16:30.16clem_yeatsanybody here using testing ? Have you upgraded to a 2.6 kernel ??
16:30.25RvGaTegreycat: unable to fetch archives.. :S
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16:30.35Eulexclem_yeats, many have done that
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16:30.54greycatthere is considerable DANGER in using a pre-release d-i image.  they all say "testing" instead of "sarge", so you'll be screwed if you don't manually edit sources.list before it pulls down packages.
16:30.54streunerclem_yeats: just give us the details
16:30.57clem_yeatsEulex : is it recommended for desktop use ?
16:31.11kc9ddigreycat: Ah - I see - thanks for your help
16:31.15greycatI have no fucking clue WHY the DDs decided to put "testing" instead of "sarge" on their release-candidate images.
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16:31.36greycatI guess they thought people were going to destroy the CDs they had burned.
16:31.42clem_yeatsI don't know much about kernels..
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16:31.59clem_yeats2.6 is said to be better for hardware support and desktop use..
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16:32.05clem_yeatsso I was wondering.
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16:32.12hmakholmclem_yeats: Does your current kernel work on the hardware you have?
16:32.16greycatRvGaTe: apt-setup, and then make sure your sources.list says "stable" or "sarge" AND NOT "testing".
16:32.17Eulexclem_yeats, in my case, 2.6 is much faster than 2.4 -- also, there's lotsa drivers and stuff like udev that doesn't work on 2.4
16:32.28greycatAnd I'm getting SO fucking tired of repeating myself.
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16:32.42RvGaTegreycat all stable
16:32.48clem_yeatshmakholm : it's for more than one machine.
16:32.53Jonk_hi all
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16:33.01greycatRvGaTe: then you should have a source for kernel-image-2.4-686
16:33.01hmakholmclem_yeats: So?
16:33.17Eulexclem_yeats, does your current kernels work on the hardware on the boxes you have? :P
16:33.17clem_yeatshmakholm : so there's different hardware.
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16:33.30clem_yeatsEulex : it works here on this computer.
16:33.39RvGaTegreycat: maybe its not located on the servers...
16:33.42hmakholmclem_yeats: And does the various kernels you're running currently work on the hardware they are running on?
16:33.51clem_yeatslol
16:34.00hmakholmYeah, yea, s/does/do/...
16:34.12clem_yeatsthese machine are all using windows at the moment with a bunch of vendor's drivers CDs.
16:34.18greycatRvGaTe: then use a "server" that doesn't suck.
16:34.25fred2anyone running debian unstable?
16:34.29hmakholmclem_yeats: Then why this talk about upgrading kernels.
16:34.30greycat!info kernel-image-2.4-686 sarge
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16:34.33dpkgkernel-image-2.4-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section base, is optional. Version: 101 (sarge), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB
16:34.35streunerfred2: just ask
16:34.35greycatfred2: no.
16:34.37Eulex!anyone
16:34.37dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
16:34.37clem_yeatsanyway, I'd like to put 2.6 here on this machine.
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16:34.38RvGaTegreycat: what a great idea :P
16:34.39hmakholmfred2: Only people who want to be guinea pigs.
16:34.42shingouzfred2: no, we all run redhat
16:34.45fred2I'm getting a e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop
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16:34.57fred2when i try and install programs
16:34.58greycat!pal fred2
16:34.59syphoxheya... how do i install a new language pack on deb?
16:35.00fred2using apt
16:35.02ElectricElfWouldn't break?
16:35.03fred2apt-get
16:35.06greycatsyphox: dpkg-reconfigure locales
16:35.08ElectricElfWrong window
16:35.09clem_yeatseventually they'll be running debian. I'm testing here on one machine.
16:35.11fred2it's very ugly
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16:35.15shingouz!tell fred about enter
16:35.20streuner!tell fred2 about sid faq
16:35.32hmakholmclem_yeats: Sorry, but I'm lost. What was your actual problem, again?
16:35.38clem_yeatsanyway... my question is about the kernel installation.
16:35.43syphoxwhich is the standard uk language? lol
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16:35.54shingouzsyphox: urdu?
16:35.58Eulexplease use paster to paste whatever error you are getting
16:36.05Eulexfred2: ^^
16:36.08clem_yeatsis it possible to replace the kernel using APT or do I have to do it manually ?
16:36.18syphoxlol
16:36.21shingouzclem_yeats: apt is the tool of choice
16:36.26hmakholmclem_yeats: Just install the kernel image you want with apt or your faviourite frontend.
16:36.35syphoxdo i need to reboot for this to take effect?
16:36.52Eulexclem_yeats, apt does not replace kernels, it can install kernels if you tell it to and remove kernels if you tell it to
16:36.54clem_yeatshmakholm : aptitude install kernel2.6..etc. will do the job ?
16:36.56amphisyphox: perish the thought
16:37.03syphox?
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16:37.11syphoxstop talking cryptic
16:37.13hmakholmclem_yeats: Should yes, if you can type the entire name in one go.
16:37.13greycatsyphox: yes, linux kernels require rebooting when you want to switch them.
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16:37.17amphisyphox: no need to reboot
16:37.18shingouzsyphox: not that i know. i am not sure how users created before the locales reconfigure act. new users will have the new settings though
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16:37.25fred2in general
16:37.27isensiis there a workaround for the following apt msg : The following packages have been kept back
16:37.31fred2has anyone heard of this problem
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16:37.38fred2just asking!
16:37.47streunerisensi: just apt-get install them and /msg dpkg sid faq
16:37.49Eulex!tell fred2 about enter
16:37.58Eulexin case you didn't notice
16:38.02stewisensi: /msg dpkg kept back
16:38.14omryvaldyn, I grepede the kernel source for NFORCE2-U400R-SATA, I saw it only in drivers/ide/pci/amd74xx.c, does it make sense at all?
16:38.15shingouzfred2: do you have apt-listbugs installed?
16:38.16seanrAnyone here have experience building gimp-2.3.3?
16:38.28omryvaldyn, didn't mean to repeat that.
16:38.30shingouz!tell seanr about ask
16:38.38streuner!info gimp sid
16:38.42dpkggimp: (The GNU Image Manipulation Program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.2.8-9 (sid), Packaged size: 2875 kB, Installed size: 7808 kB
16:38.50fred2<PROTECTED>
16:38.50fred2E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs
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16:39.08RvGaTegreycat: downloading image...
16:39.10streunerfred2: /msg pdkg force loop
16:39.17streunerfred2: /msg dpkg force loop
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16:39.42streuner!listvals APT::Force-LoopBreak
16:39.44dpkgFactoid search of 'APT::Force-LoopBreak' by value (2): force loopbreak ;; pam loop.
16:40.03streunerfred2: ^^^, force loopbreak, sorry.
16:40.05clem_yeatsso, if I install like that : aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686, it will replace my kernel or just install the package ??
16:40.07fred2i tried setting force-loopbreak to true but it still gave errors
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16:40.22shingouzclem_yeats: it installs a new kernel
16:40.25viperok I wanna use tightvnc and rdesktop .. so I need X .. I gotta a really small hdd so I only wanna install the packages that are really recuired for X ... what are they ???
16:40.25Eulexclem_yeats, as I said, apt does not replace kernels
16:40.38DAXXIs the clock frekvens (Hz) per default 1000 in 2.6.X kernels or is it 100?
16:40.41stewEulex: yes it does
16:40.42clem_yeatswhat do I need then to use this newly installed kernel ?
16:40.46seanrI'm trying to build gimp 2.3.3 fromsource, but the configure script chokes in GTK+ even though pkg-config --modversion gtk+-2.0 returns 2.7.2.  What might the problem be?
16:40.46Eulexviper, x-window-system-core
16:40.54isensistreuner i would use apt-get install but it removes some packages when i try to install pkgs which are kept back, so if there is not a workaround for that ill wait until the dep are fixed
16:40.57shingouzclem_yeats: after the install, reboot
16:41.01viperEulex so if that is running the X system runs ?
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16:41.12clem_yeatsshingouz : shall I tell Grub about this change ?
16:41.14Eulexviper, wha?
16:41.14samuelDAXX, 1000
16:41.27shingouzclem_yeats: apt should have taken care of it for you
16:41.27streunerisensi: rule 1) use only official debian sources
16:41.44clem_yeatsshingouz : whoo.. APT's quite nice !
16:41.47streunerisensi: show us your sources.list in paster (/msg dpkg paste)
16:41.50clem_yeatsok I'll try now.
16:41.50DAXXsamuel: whats the config prefix in .config (kernel config) to define theese things?
16:41.52shingouzclem_yeats: apt, not APT
16:42.01clem_yeatswhy ?
16:42.06samuelDAXX, sorry, dont know
16:42.12viperEulex with that package ... the X system is fully running ?
16:42.15clem_yeatsAPT is a set of tools isn't it ?
16:42.47Eulexstew, well, you know what I mean... it will just replace/upgrade kernels if they are near enough in version
16:43.02streunerclem_yeats: apt is the tool to get packages and resolve depends, dpkg is the tool which manipulate and install it on your system
16:43.11Eulexclem_yeats, linux is case sensitive -- it's apt as in apt-cache and apt-get
16:43.21isensistreuner pasted it
16:43.31clem_yeatsI was talking about APT not about apt...
16:43.32streunerisensi: we need the URL
16:43.41Eulexviper, you get the x window system, yes -- but the x window system alone won't be very useful
16:43.48clem_yeatsas in the whole set of APT tools.
16:43.52isensistreuner right, http://channels.debian.net/paste/700
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16:44.04hmakholmclem_yeats: There is nothing called APT.
16:44.04clem_yeatsok anyway... I'll try the install now.
16:44.13clem_yeatsyes there is... man apt-get
16:44.15viperEulex I know .. but if that works I could run stuff like thightvnc and rdesktop i suppose ?
16:44.23stewEulex: kernel-image packages are treated no differently than any other package. if there is a newer version of the same pacakge, it is upgraded
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16:44.46clem_yeatsapt-get is a APT package handling utility.
16:44.48Eulexstew, I know
16:44.56clem_yeatsall of that is explained in the Debian reference.
16:45.21shingouzhmakholm: i am swearproof :p
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16:45.34irvin;-)
16:45.35shingouzin anycase /me &
16:45.35Eulexviper, yes
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16:45.49streunerisensi: Did you read sid faq yet?
16:45.53hmakholmclem_yeats: No, "apt-get" is _the_ "APT package handling utility".
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16:46.25clem_yeatswell... deselect, aptitude, dpkg, apt-get, apt-cache... all are APT tools
16:46.32hmakholmclem_yeats: There is no general distinction between capital-letter-ALT and lower-case-apt.
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16:46.41clem_yeatsthere is no such command as apt, but the whole packaging system is called APT
16:46.43isensistreuner more or less
16:46.50hmakholmclem_yeats: And deselect is not apt; neither is dpkg. Aptitude is a grey area.
16:46.57seanrAnyone know why gimp 2.3.3 configure fails on GTK+ test even though I have libgtk2.0-dev 2.7.2 installed?  It says GTK+>2.6.0 not found.
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16:47.21Gathondseanr: iirc gtk and gtk+ is not the same thing
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16:47.45clem_yeatshttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html
16:47.48seanrCan you tell me what package I need to get in apt then?
16:47.52clem_yeatsAPT..
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16:48.01Gathondseanr: sorry, Im wrong
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16:48.11outlaw84seanr: apt-get install libwxgtk2.6-dev
16:48.24clem_yeatsok, let me try the kernel install..
16:48.39Eulexoutlaw84, no
16:48.47Eulexoutlaw84, why would he need that?
16:49.01Eulexseanr, check config.log
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16:49.54mwilsonEulex: Because it's *fun* to install packages at random!
16:50.13Eulexmwilson, right
16:50.22outlaw84an extra package or two never hurts ;)
16:50.52outlaw84and besides no one else tried to help him
16:51.08Eulexwell if you're low on hd space...
16:51.23RvGaTeIm trying to get MPPE to be installed on sarge, but i cant get it to work... bah
16:51.41hmakholmEulex: Why on earth would one want to build the Gimp, then?
16:51.47clem_yeatsright... APT installed the new kernel and updated my Grub conf file !! pretty nice. I'll reboot now.
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16:52.17seanrhmakholm, because no one is bothering to package new gimp releases for Debian.
16:52.36hmakholmseanr: But in a "low on hd space" condition?
16:52.40viperok I was installing x and my hdd ran out of space ... no apt can`t remove it and so can`t dpkg ... how can I remove my partially installed x ?
16:53.05seanrwell, that's not my problem.  I'm having dependency issues and could really use some help.
16:53.07streuner!remove x
16:53.07dpkgIn sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common    In sid: apt-get --purge remove x11-common
16:53.53viperstreuner no that doesn`t work because apt was interrupted it says ...
16:54.03clem_yeatsoh my God.. that's pretty cool.. it also kept 2.4 and left it in the Grub menu..
16:54.12clem_yeatsI'm very impressed.
16:54.27dwuis there an equiv of grep in windows?
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16:54.38viper!windows
16:54.39dpkgi guess windows is PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows they don't work.
16:54.41streunerviper: go to /var/cache/apt/archives and remove the debs stored there
16:54.49viperstreuner thnx
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16:54.54bombhaha
16:54.54mwilsonseanr: Uh, no, quite the opposite... GIMP is being packaged *regularly* by Debian.  Since what YOU are trying to build is one of the unstable *development* releases, your argument holds no water.
16:54.56clem_yeatsdwu : you can install cygwin, which features grep, or install wingrep
16:54.56DAXXWhats the linux command to see what the Hz (clock frekvens) value is ?
16:54.57RvGaTe!mppe
16:55.06viper!mppe
16:55.06omrydwu, cygwin.
16:55.17dwuomry: ill see if my computer lets to install cygwin
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16:55.20Eulexdwu, yep, cygwin -- and this is a debian channel
16:55.31dwuill take a look at wingrep
16:55.34dwuthanks all
16:55.44clem_yeatsdwu : well... cygwin is a bit better..
16:55.55seanrmwilson, well they could be building unstable packes as well, you know.  There are pretty significant changes from the old version.
16:56.06mwilsonMy gods, there are umpteen billion ports of grep to Win32... command-line and GUI, requiring cygwin and not, and you can't find a SINGLE one through Google?
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16:56.14DAXXWhats the linux command to see what the Hz (clock frekvens) value is ??
16:56.26seanrmwilson, are you having a bad day? ;-)
16:56.35Eulexviper, your system might also benefit from running apt-get clean, but check man apt-get first before running it
16:56.44hmakholmseanr: Well, _you_ could be packaging the development branch if you think it is important enough for somebody to throw time at.
16:56.50mwilsonseanr: Oh, they "could" be too, huh?  Why "could" they be?  What good does it do?
16:56.53EulexDAXX, cpu mhz? cat /proc/cpuinfo
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16:57.03DAXXEulex: no the Hz clock frekvens.
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16:57.05viperI`ve got 2 hd drives .. my main drive is 800mb .. and my second is 20gig .. now debian is installed on the 800 .. but it`s almost full .. how can I let apps install on the other hdd .. or in another map??
16:57.14seanrhmakholm, as you can tell by my questions here, I lack the skill to do so.
16:57.40mwilsonhmakholm: But apparently someone else should.
16:57.40clem_yeatsok, I'm running 2.6 now ! :) I just installed it as I could have installed firefox.. pretty cool !
16:57.53clem_yeatsI am totally bluffed.
16:58.03mwilsonseanr: If you think you have the skill to run the compiler,you have the skill to make a Debian package.
16:58.06streunerviper: 800 MB is usually good enough to run debian with X
16:58.13clem_yeatsI was used to the make config and all ..
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16:58.31viperstreuner ok but I got alot of other stuff :P .. is there a way to let the apps install in another folder ?
16:58.37seanrmwilson, I might be able to if I could get some help with my dependency issues.
16:58.48streunerviper: no
16:59.07mwilsonseanr: You have.  So far, all I've seen you do is ignore it.
16:59.14streunerviper: How much space do you have for debian?
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16:59.31viper800 .. but I`ve got stuff like vpn and all on the disk too
16:59.49omryI am trying to build 2.6.13. and it wont boot because it can't read my SATA disk. I tried to compile several realted drivers into it, but nothing helped. if it may help, I have a working 2.6.7 (from the initial install). can anyone assist?
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17:00.22seanrmwilson, all I got was a suggestion to install one package, which I did, but then was told that was unneeded anyway.  So I'm ack at square one.
17:00.31DAXXWhats the linux command to see what the Hz (clock frekvens) value is ??
17:01.09seanrI can send you my config.log if you've got someplace I cna send it to (it's quite long).
17:01.14hmakholmDAXX: Which clock frequency are you talking about?
17:01.14viperstreuner so you say there is no way to let applications run from another hdd ?
17:01.16Eulexomry, do you have the driver for you fs compiled in?
17:01.20greycatDAXX: cat /proc/cpuinfo
17:01.26Eulex!tell DAXX about repeat
17:01.32DAXXhmakholm: the Hz value. The think you define in the kernel config
17:01.33mwilsonseanr: Except, of course, that's NOT all you got.  And no, I have no reason to read the log file for you, when you're quite capable of it.
17:01.43greycatDAXX: *bzzzzt*
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17:01.58omryEulex, I think the error I am getting is before that, something about unknown device /dev/hde.
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17:02.05streunerviper: 20 MB would be pointless anyway
17:02.18DAXXgreycat: got the cmd?
17:02.18streuners/pointless/useless/
17:02.22viperstreuner hmm did I say 20mb .. I meant 20 gig
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17:02.34greycatyeah, I got yer command right HERE!  /ignore -time 864000 DAXX
17:02.36hmakholmseanr: If you want to help yourself you'll have to figure out how it checks for gtk+ and why it fails.
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17:02.53Borg^QueenHey people I'm having problems with USB devices on Sarge.
17:02.53seanrmwilson, then I missed the rest of it.
17:02.55Eulexomry, have you compiled it into your kernel or as a module?
17:02.55DAXXgreycat: okay bye ;)
17:03.00DAXXhmakholm: do you know what im talking about?
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17:03.01streunerviper: well, install debian on the 20 GB HD then
17:03.05Borg^QueenIst there a way to restart usb services without rebooting?
17:03.07viperstreuner and the reason why I use the 800 to boot from is because my 20gig id behind a promiss card and somehow it won`t from it
17:03.12greycatthis one couldn't even spell "HZ" right, let alone ask a coherent question.
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17:03.45omryEulex, I am willing to try both. right now I tried to compile SATA related in, not as modules.
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17:04.04hmakholmgreycat: I get the feeling it's time you, like, took a walk or something. You sound rather built-up.
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17:04.27Eulexomry, ok, it should not be compiled as modules, that's why I'm asking
17:04.44DAXXhmakholm: dudE? :)
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17:05.11omryEulex, I am obiously missing something. maybe its possible to check the current kernel to figure what is the driver?
17:05.13streunerviper: what does ig say about?
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17:05.33seanrkmakholm - it's using pkg-config to test for it,  but when I run pkg-config --modversion gtk+-2.0 at the command line, it retunrs 2.7.2 as expected.
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17:05.46Borg^QueenCan anyone help with the usb problem?
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17:05.50viperstreuner streuner ig ?? whats that
17:05.53Borg^Queencrap netsplit?
17:05.55Eulexomry, yes, check dmesg and your currently loaded modules
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17:06.11hmakholmseanr: Then you have to figure out how that output fails the test in the configure script.
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17:06.15streuner!tell viper about ig
17:06.21mwilsonseanr: Uh, why in the world would you have GTK 2.7.x?  Where did you get it, and WHY did you get it?
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17:06.40DAXXHow do i see if the HZ value in my kernel is 1000 or 100? As i remember are there some cmd to check it. I dont have the file /proc/sys/kernel/hz .. Dunno why
17:06.45ice_1963what kernel are you running Borg Queen
17:06.49omryEulex, lsmod | grep -i sata returnes nothing. but dmesg got some lines like : NFORCE2-U400R-SATA
17:06.59viperstreuner oh no .. not a debian problem .. works fine in debian ... but it`s my mobo I guess just can`t let the damn thing boot from my prommess 133tx2
17:07.10hmakholmDAXX: Why do you not trust the config file?
17:07.12Borg^Queenice_1963: 2.6
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17:07.20DAXXhmakholm: i need to check it
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17:07.37ice_1963intel ?
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17:07.55hmakholmDAXX: Wayttd?
17:08.00mwilsonseanr: So you've installed some experimental version of GTK from somewhere, and you wonder why things fail?
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17:08.11DAXXhmakholm: do you know the cmd?
17:08.19Borg^Queenice_1963: AMD
17:08.34Eulexomry, there's a chance the module you need haven't got sata in its name
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17:08.54hmakholmDAXX: Again: What are you trying to do?
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17:09.24DAXXhmakholm: i want to see if the HZ kernel value is 1000 or 100 in my kernel. I know there are some cmd to check it in the command line
17:09.26ice_1963you need kernel-image-2.6-k7
17:09.27seanrpkg-config --atleast-version 2.6.0 gtk+-2.0 doesn't return anything when entered at the command line. Is that the correct behavior?
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17:09.36Borg^Queenice_1963: I have it
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17:09.54omryEulex, how can I find what sata chipset my board got? (from the running kernel) ?
17:09.58hmakholmDAXX: Why do you say you want to see if the HZ kernel valus is 100 or 100 in your kernel. You know there are some cmd to check it in the command line
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17:10.17mwilsonseanr: I'll ask you again... where did you get the unofficial GTK you have installed?  Even unstable is only at 2.6.10, so you installed it from some other source.
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17:10.21DAXXhmakholm: what!?
17:10.24monsteromry: lspci?
17:10.33seanrmwilson - experimental.
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17:10.48hmakholmDAXX: Again^3: What are you trying to achieve?
17:10.49Eulexseanr, why?
17:10.50seanrNot from source.
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17:11.11DAXXhmakholm: im trying to find out what the kernel hz value is in my kernel. Finish.
17:11.17streunerviper: what did you use to install debian?
17:11.19ice_1963hmm then you can try 2.4
17:11.22mwilsonEulex: It was important to break things as thoroughly as possible, apparently.
17:11.28hmakholmDAXX: What will knowing this information get you?\
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17:11.50hmakholmDAXX: Which _actual_ problem are you trying to solve?
17:11.50viperstreuner the 3 sarge installation floppies
17:11.55omrymonster, nothing related to sata there. anything else?
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17:12.03DAXXhmakholm: Look do you have the command or not+
17:12.06xalHello, i have been using debian very successfully on our company's servers for quite a while but i always stuck to the stable release ( now sarge ) of it. However now i need a new package which is only available in unstabl
17:12.17xalwhat is the "debian" way of selectively getting this package and its required dependencies without making the entire server unstable
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17:12.33stewxal: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
17:12.36streunerviper: why not d-i (debian installer) netinstall ?
17:12.44hmakholmDAXX: If you don't have a purpose with your questions, you are just wasting everybody's time.
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17:12.51viperstreuner how do I get the netinstall ?
17:12.52stewxal: you want to backport the newer version, not just install the newer version
17:12.57streuner!d-i viper
17:12.57dpkgviper, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.
17:12.58monsteromry: maybe you haven't sata contorller :)
17:13.08DAXXhmakholm: i need it because the thing i run will make better performance on a 1000hz kernel.
17:13.11viperhehe :P
17:13.11xalok, i'll look into it
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17:13.16viperstreuner  thnx I`ll give it a try
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17:13.19DAXXhmakholm: enough?
17:13.19hmakholmDAXX: Which thing is that?
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17:13.25DAXXhmakholm: game hosting.
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17:13.40hmakholmDAXX: ANd how does that make you mistrust the value in the config file?
17:13.44omrymonster, for the sake of argument, I am going to open the box and verify that the disk is SAtA :)
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17:14.02monsteromry: try dmesg | grep sata
17:14.15DAXXhmakholm: i dont know what the prefix is for setting this value in the config file. I searched for the number 1000 and 100 and didnt find anything i could use to determine it.
17:14.40hmakholmDAXX: Prefix?
17:14.47DAXXhmakholm: okay nm
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17:15.03omrymonster, grep -i sata
17:15.03omryNFORCE2-U400R-SATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:0b.0
17:15.05syphoxhey... how do i find a list of /dev devices on deb?
17:15.24syphoxlike on fedora i'd do... "dmesg| grep "hd"" to get a list of hdd's ?
17:15.24mwilsonsyphox: Why?  It's the same list of devices it is anywhere else.
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17:15.35syphoxbut dmesg won't show me any devices
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17:15.42syphoxand messages is pointing to /dev/null
17:15.51mwilsonWhat moron did that?
17:15.51viperstreuner but do you think with the netinstaller I can install debian on my 20 gig via the promess 133tx2 ?
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17:16.01syphoxnot sure
17:16.02syphoxlol
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17:16.13monsteromry: ok then grep -i
17:16.17streunerviper: just try it
17:16.31omrymonster, I did grep -i. it returned something.
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17:17.20streunerviper: can you grep config (kernel) about promise stuff ?
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17:18.01streunerviper: go into /boot - there are config files usally, use 'grep -i promise' or such
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17:18.19necritecan i install the xorg package from testing in one sarge distrib?
17:18.20xalother question: i tried to dpkg -i an package which's dependencies i couldn't meet with stable. now apt-get complains about this whenever i run it ( http://rafb.net/paste/results/msJIqF21.html ) how can i remove this package from the install queue?
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17:19.17streunerviper: what does 'cat /proc/version' say?
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17:19.58abrotman!xorg sarge
17:19.58dpkgrumour has it, xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages.  Use at your own risk.
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17:20.45viperstreuner debian 3.3.5 kernel 2.6.13
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17:20.58streunerviper: 2.6.13?
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17:21.05abrotmanthat's nto in sid!
17:21.08viperstreuner yes why?
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17:21.24streunerviper: because you are using a custom kernel then...
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17:21.43viperstreuner yes compiled it myself otherwise my DAC960 wasn`t supported :)
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17:22.54viperstreuner why ?
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17:23.09xalplease? how do i fix this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/msJIqF21.html . i just want to remove this pending package
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17:23.58necritexal,  read the line 4
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17:25.01Phr0zenKorehi all
17:25.08streunerviper: well, it explains why you haven't enough space then :-)
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17:25.16Phr0zenKorei was wondering how i could get mplayer on my debian
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17:25.49stewPhr0zenKore: /msg dpkg mplayer
17:26.20viperstreuner the kernel is only like 2 mb
17:26.34streunerhah
17:26.36ke6isf!tell Phr0zenKore -about marillat
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17:26.47streunerviper: and /usr/src/linux ;-)
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17:27.30mwilsonxal: What's the problem?  Remove monkey-server.
17:27.32viperstreuner there is no usr/src/linux dir... heh but I see now thaat the source dir of the kernel is taking 336 mb :P
17:27.33kknethello
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17:27.55kknetsomebody speak spanish
17:27.59ke6isf!es
17:27.59dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:28.04viperkknet como esta?
17:28.12kknetoki
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17:28.31greycat!es
17:28.32dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:28.40viperlol what did he wanted
17:28.58ke6isfviper: Dunno, but he's probably in #debian-es now.
17:29.06streunerhelp in spanish?
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17:29.16stewstreuner: ayuda
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17:29.37viperhuh why does cdrecord not work in 2.6.* ?
17:29.41viperwhat else should I use
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17:29.57Eulex!doesn't work
17:29.58dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
17:29.58stewviper: are you trying to use ide-scsi or ide-cd?
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17:30.10greycatdpkg: no, l33t is <reply> Plz uze #debian-l33t 4 hlp in l33t.  U will get m0re helpz their!!!  L33t speakers, please use #debian-l33t for help in the l33t dialect.  You will get much more help there.
17:30.10dpkgokay, greycat
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17:30.16ke6isfviper: Dunno, why doesn't it work?  What are the symptoms?
17:30.32ke6isfgreycat: Bahahaha!
17:30.34Eulexgreycat, haha
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17:31.33viperke6isf well when I start cdrecord it says 2.6 has issues
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17:31.42viperstew it`s a scsi cd writer
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17:32.02viperke6isf cannot open /dev/pg* it says
17:32.02greycatoh wait, it needs a lol somewhere.
17:32.05stewviper: the author of cdrecord really doesn't like linux,  you can ignore his rantings
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17:32.18greycatdpkg, l33t =~ s/!!!/!!! lol/
17:32.18dpkgOK, greycat
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17:32.46s0n1someone see this error ..
17:32.47s0n1Starting virtual private network daemon: matriz-milani/usr/sbin/openvpn: error while loading shared libraries: liblzo.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied
17:32.50viperstew lol what you mean doesn`t like linux ?
17:32.55s0n1???
17:32.58Eulexgreycat, proposal: s/!!!/!!!11/ :)
17:33.06thatguy100i forgot my root password on one of my debian boxes or it isn't accepting it, how do i reset it or change it, i think it has something to do with shadow passwords, i have to box right in front of me.  I can get to it through my regular user account but that is it
17:33.17greycatEulex: nah, I think the lol is sufficient there
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17:33.23viperstew and how do I get past it ?? it says it can`t find /dev/pg*  ??
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17:33.40greycatoh, but I forgot that one other thing they do.
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17:33.55stewviper: iirc: modprobe sq ; modprobe sr_mod
17:33.56greycatdpkg, l33t =~ s/in l33t./in l33t !!/
17:33.56dpkggreycat: OK
17:34.03greycatdpkg, l33t =~ s/their!!!/their !!!/
17:34.03dpkgOK, greycat
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17:34.28viperstew hmm but my kernel doesn`t take mods .. what kernel module do I need for it ?
17:34.48greycatI wasn't sure about "uze", but it seemed wrong to spell it "use" for some reason...
17:34.59viperstew or can I use another program to burn this .iso file .. need to burn the iso to reinstall :).. so don`t wanna take hours to fix this systemhehe
17:35.07EdibleTextgreycat, follow your heart
17:35.08ke6isfIf anything, that U should *maybe* be
17:35.12greycatdpkg, l33t =~ s/will/wud/
17:35.12dpkgOK, greycat
17:35.14ke6isfIf anything, that U should *maybe* be 'j00'.
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17:35.18Eulex"U will get m0re helpz their (4nd t0t4lly pwn3d) !!!" ?
17:35.19stewviper: if you don't have scsi cdrom support in your kenrel you aren't going to be able to burn anything to cd
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17:35.24stewviper: what cpu do you have?
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17:35.46viperstew oh it does have scsi cdrom support
17:35.52viperstew 400mhz pII
17:35.56stewviper: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686
17:36.16marienzEulex: yeah, something like that, I'm not too good at this sort of thing :)
17:37.04stewviper: you didn't enable "scsi generic"
17:37.10stewor something similar
17:37.10viperstew ouch :(
17:37.13Eulexthough "U will get m0re helpz their (4nd b3 t0t4lly pwn3d) !!!" sounds better
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17:37.40mwilsonSince when does cdrecord not work with a 2.6.x kernel?  I guess all these discs I've burned are the product of a deranged imagination.
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17:37.52ponchoHello.!
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17:38.03TyreseJonesI'm tryin' to log onto the cups interface of my server, and it's telling me access denied... where do i go to allow access?
17:38.04stewmwilson: since viper recompiled his own kernel
17:38.12greycatmwilson: cdrecord that hasn't been specially hacked up to use ATA: or ATAPI: won't work with 2.6 sans ide-scsi, and ide-scsi is broken in 2.6, so... you get it.
17:38.28mwilsonTyreseJones: Why don't you just put in a name/password that has access?
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17:38.49EdibleTextTyreseJones, root has access
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17:38.57TyreseJonesmwilson- It's not getting that far!
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17:39.10TyreseJonesEdibleText- I'm tryin' to log into the web interface
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17:39.18EdibleTextTyreseJones, yeah..
17:39.21TyreseJonesI think i'll try to do it locally
17:39.24mwilsonTyreseJones: "not getting that far?"  Make up your mind.  Either it's asking for credentials, or it's not.
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17:39.55TyreseJonesmwilson- Your forgetting the third option ..... not allowing access to port 631 on the external interface
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17:40.12mwilsonTyreseJones: Why would you be trying to access it across the network?
17:40.16TyreseJonesmwilson- Yup
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17:40.30mwilson"yup" is not an answer to my question.
17:40.33TyreseJonesOh, WHY ..... umm.. because the server is two floors up!
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17:41.14mwilsonGuess you'd better actually learn how to administer a CUPS server, then.
17:41.25drcDoes anyone have any idea how can I get bwbar show/make both upload and download bandwith shown in different bars, do I need to run it 2x with different config or any other way?
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17:42.21TyreseJonesmwilson- Thanks for your help
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17:43.02drcOkay, I'll try to figure it out myself once again :)
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17:43.21mwilsonTyreseJones: <shrug> No charge.  This is why CUPS comes with all this extensive documentation.
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17:44.05TyreseJonesmwilson- *sigh* sarcasm really is free these days isn't it
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17:44.32mwilsonWhat sarcasm?  Seldom do you see a project with more extensive documentation available than CUPS has.
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17:44.56viperhow well is the isdn fritz! card supported by debian?
17:45.01mwilsonDocumentation aimed specifically at users, and documentation aimed specifically at administrators.
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17:46.45virgomoonHow do you get XFree86 to accept connections to the X server as root? I keep getting 'connection to ":0.0" refused by server'
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17:46.57stewvirgomoon: /msg dpkg run stuff as root
17:46.58OldakQuillAnyone know why I'd get "access denied" at the command prompt to an object code file under root and otherwise
17:46.59proutbonsoir
17:47.11proutquelqu'un pourrait me conseiller ?
17:47.11greycat!VAGUENESS
17:47.13greycat!fr
17:47.14dpkgLes personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr
17:47.17stewOldakQuill: becuase it's not chmod +x
17:47.19greycathey!
17:47.20mwilsonvirgomoon: You do't.
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17:47.22greycatwhere's my VAGUENESS!?
17:47.25mwilsonvirgomoon: You don't.
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17:47.42virgomoonah, gotta start X as root to begin with, right?
17:47.44EdibleTextgreycat, could you be more specific
17:47.49greycat!listkeys VAGUENESS
17:47.50dpkgFactoid search of 'VAGUENESS' by key (1): CMD: vaguenesssmite (.*?).
17:47.51glmmerde
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17:47.58greycat!listkeys VAGUE
17:48.00mwilsonvirgomoon: X is already root.
17:48.00dpkgFactoid search of 'VAGUE' by key (3): vague ;; CMD: vaguenesssmite (.*?) ;; vague questions.
17:48.05stewvirgomoon: no
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17:48.19valdynvirgomoon: use 'sux' or 'sudo' and log in as a user.
17:48.22greycatwho deleted VAGUENESS without leaving behind a #del# tracer?
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17:48.34valdyn!vagueness
17:48.38Phr0zenKore!gentoosmite gentoo-sources
17:48.39OldakQuillStill "Permission denied"
17:48.40Phr0zenKore:P
17:48.42valdyn!wtf
17:48.47greycatvaldyn: it's gone.  someone deleted it.
17:48.51OldakQuillLol @ dpkg
17:48.52valdynyea..
17:49.20virgomoonwell, I'm logged in as 'rodger', but have a term open to run OpenOffice setup. When I run the setup (as root), then it won't open the X window for it.
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17:50.37vagabundpo sky.fm plays thomas dolby - shes blinded me with sience
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17:50.53EdibleTextvirgomoon, have you tried 'sudo' or 'sux' from a terminal
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17:50.55stewvirgomoon: /msg dpkg run stuff as root
17:51.04Kaneda_awayhey, how can I install webmin 1.220 on sarge? I got 1.180, but apt-get upgrade webmin says I have the latest version :S
17:51.26azeemKaneda_away: you have the latest version available in sarge, I guess
17:51.29mwilsonKaneda_away: You do.
17:51.36mwilson!webmin
17:51.37dpkgwebmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on.  Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server."
17:51.37virgomoonstew: ah, ok, I'll try that
17:51.38azeemKaneda_away: why do you need 1.220 rather than 1.180?
17:51.52Kaneda_awaycuz of the latest modules
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17:51.57greycatwhy do you need webmin rather than a brain?
17:51.57viper!mppe
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17:52.06EdibleText!webminsmite
17:52.08mwilsonazeem: He means he doesn't know.
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17:52.25mwilsonazeem: Someone told him it was leet to chase versions.
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17:52.49virgomoonok, I'll have to play with that
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17:53.12Kaneda_awayI asked for help not for flaming a program
17:53.26greycatdpkg, VAGUENESS is <reply> (VAGUENESS (KILLS|CAUSES (CANCER|ANAL LEAKAGE|IMPOTENCE|BALDNESS|ACNE|SARS))!|VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY (JESUS|PENGUINS|BADGERS) CRY!)
17:53.26dpkgokay, greycat
17:53.30azeemKaneda_away: well, you got help.  There is no newer version for sarge
17:53.35stewKaneda_away: a newer version of webmin will never be released for sarge
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17:53.44Kanedaokay, thnx
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17:55.23virgomoonok, I'm going to get hit for this one, I can just feel it ... export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority  .. where would this go? in .cshrc?
17:55.33Rawplayerdpkg: VAGUENESS
17:55.33dpkgVAGUENESS KILLS!
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17:55.39Rawplayerdpkg: VAGUENESS
17:55.45mwilsonvirgomoon: You use csh?
17:55.54viperhow well is the isdn fritz! card supported by debian?
17:55.55virgomoonmwilson: lol, yes
17:56.02virgomoonis that bad of me?
17:56.07valdynvirgomoon: perfectly
17:56.12virgomoonI like csh, it's comfy
17:56.13valdynviper: perfectly
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17:56.28vipervaldyn you used it before in debian ?
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17:56.40valdynviper: yea, for like 5 years
17:56.48Rewt_swhen using apt-get update/upgrade, I want it to not upgrade exim.. how would I do this?
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17:56.57vipervaldyn I wanna log all incoming/outgoing calls .. accept faxes and accept dial in for vpn ... is that possible ?
17:57.01valdynviper: actually, more like 8
17:57.03ke6isf!tell Rewt_s -about hold
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17:57.16vipervaldyn wow .. hard to find a fellow isdn user these days :P
17:57.22Rewt_sthanks.
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17:57.25valdynviper: i havent done the vpn part
17:57.30valdynviper: oh, i dont use it anymore
17:57.42virgomoonisdn? wow, that's still around?
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17:57.49greycatvirgomoon: only in germany
17:57.57valdynviper: if someone dials in, then that's not a vpn , thats just dialing in.. its a real private network
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17:57.58virgomoonah
17:58.20vipervaldyn ah .. do you know if I need to mod the kernel to support the fritz! ?
17:58.30valdynviper: you dont need to
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17:58.56vipervaldyn wich mod can I compile in the kernel to support it ?? fritz is an avm card right ?
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17:59.22valdynviper: yea, but fritz is explicitely in the kernel options
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17:59.51vipervaldyn you sure ? can`t find it under ISDN ?
18:00.01valdynviper: guess you have the pci version, then its autodetected.
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18:00.12virgomoonhey!! setenv XAUTHORITY .. works .. cool
18:00.37valdynviper: is that a 2.6 kernel? i cant look into the 2.4 config atm.
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18:00.46vipervaldyn valdyn ah ok ...  I`m using 2.6.13
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18:01.40jshrivergreetings
18:01.51samuelare there any mail programs that display email the way that google does? by conversations?
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18:02.37valdynviper: select "Old  ISDN4Linux (obsolete)"
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18:02.50virgomoonwell .. now we can see how badly OpenOffice suck
18:02.56virgomoons/suck/sucks/
18:03.07empty_mindany debian security auditor in the channel ? i need to discuss something
18:03.11valdynviper: select Passive cards ->  AVM PnP/PCI (Fritz!PnP/PCI) or uh AVM A1 PCMCIA (Fritz), whatever you have
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18:03.35Eulexhey, this is strange: running beep-media-player while xmms is playing skips to the next track in xmms and then exits
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18:03.57vipervaldyn ok .. thnx :) .. btw you happen to know the right apps for fax and logging usage ?
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18:04.28virgomoonEulex: hey, at least you have sound  :(
18:04.38Eulexthis means I can use my beep media player icon in the panel to skip to the next track in xmms...
18:04.51greycatyou could also use the xmms command.
18:04.51Eulexvirgomoon, you haven't? tried running alsaconf?
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18:05.15virgomoonno, I've just not gotten to that.  1 1/2 years after the install
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18:05.38Eulexgreycat, ah, that would be useul -- though it's still funny that beep-media-player does that automatically
18:05.41valdynviper: that has been reorganised for a while but i think apt-get install isdnutils gets everything except fax support
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18:06.21gNCarlinhoshi every body
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18:06.35eliripshello. if i buy an external harddisk, is there anything special i have to watch out for, so it works nicely with debian/linux (using a 2.6-kernel).any recommandations what i should buy and what not?
18:06.41gNCarlinhospliz, a nice gui for python
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18:07.01vipervaldyn ok I`ll google for some... thnx for your help .. oh one last thing .. how can I config my MSN and test the line ?
18:07.09jshriverAnyone now how to make a SMB mount point accessible to a user?
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18:07.24Eulexelirips, buy something that can be used without any special drivers... also, you could ask to test it in the store before you buy it
18:07.28jshriverI tried chmod -R name:name location before mounting so that the user would have access to that directory/mount point
18:07.49jshriverbut seems only root can copy files there
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18:07.58jshriverthe share has r/w access
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18:08.04dotCOMmieI wonder if anyone has seen this problem: on startup xorg dies without any usefull info (logs show it was last loading glx). After I rm /lib/modules/2.6.., reinstall kernel, reboot, reinstall nvidia driver, /etc/init.d/kdm restart and voila x.org works. now if you reboot xorg doesnt work again same symptom as before
18:08.12eliripsEulex: uh, there are harddisks that need an extra driver? i thought i can just attach it to the usb-port and it should work like a memory stick?
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18:08.51coolballI did apt-get remove mozilla-browser and it wants to remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment but I use KDE... is it safe to go ahead?
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18:09.10jc-dentonhow do i search for multiple strings with aptitude
18:09.13mwilsoncoolball: Only you can answer that.
18:09.26valdynviper: no idea, dont remember details, try /etc/ppp/ipppd.* , /etc/ppp/isdnutils.conf, /usr/sbin/isdnconfig
18:09.27jc-dentoneg aptitude search debian|ubuntu looks for ubuntu or debian
18:09.29mwilsoncoolball: Define "safe".
18:09.35jc-dentonbut what do i do if i want to look for ubuntu and debian?
18:09.48coolballwill it change gdm or KDE?
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18:09.52jc-dentoni only found the | sign in the reference manual
18:09.53Eulexjc-denton, apt-cache search debian ubuntu
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18:10.10jc-dentonEulex: yes but i want to know it for aptitude
18:10.13vipervaldyn ok thnx for your time :)
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18:10.16jc-dentonotherwise i would not have to ask
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18:10.20mwilsonWhy're you using gdm alongside KDE?
18:10.31coolballits the default
18:10.43greycathe probably used tasksel
18:10.43EulexEulex, ah, sorry, afaik all usb hard drives work like that... though some usb devices do require special drivers, but not hard drives, afaik
18:10.46dotCOMmiedefault????
18:10.48mwilsonThat's not what I asked.
18:10.49xali need help, i switched from sarge to unstable and now get this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sPVPfZ27.html
18:10.58greycatdotCOMmie: in tasksel, probably it is.
18:10.58xalsomething with the update didn't work. is peer1 bad?
18:11.07coolballbecause i am afraid to change that
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18:11.12mwilsonxal: <shrug> What about it?
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18:11.17dotCOMmiegreycat: could be, who uses that anyway d:
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18:11.25Eulexxal, mirror doesn't seem to have unstable things
18:11.30valdynxal: unstable is uh, unstable, its not for users, its for developers. file a bug report if something is wrong, dont ask for support.
18:11.30xalmwilson: what would you do if you get errors like this
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18:11.53dotCOMmieanyway if anyone has info on my problem please PM, I'll be back in few hours
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18:12.03xali'm a developer alright
18:12.03stewxal: have you run apt-get update?
18:12.08mwilsonxal: <shrug> Wait for the mirror pulse to finish, or if I were just going to die or something without instant updates, I'd try another mirror.
18:12.09xalstew: yea
18:12.18virgomoonOMG!! A *nix office package that doesn't suck.
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18:12.44dotCOMmievirgomoon: OOo?
18:12.45bombyo, if i am starting jackd in my ~./xsession file, how do i make sure jackd gets killed when i kill X
18:12.54bombi keep ending up with mutliple instances of jackd.....
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18:13.03virgomoondotCOMmie: so far, anyway
18:13.08valdynxal: a debian developer would probably not ask what 404 Not Found [IP: 69.90.155.253 80] is about
18:13.11dotCOMmiebomb: why not kill it before start it
18:13.12mwilsonxal: Since I've never found a .001 version creep to be overly awe-inspiring, I usually just wait for the pulse to complete.
18:13.20bombdotCOMmie: huh?
18:13.20greycatbomb: well, if you're desperate enough, you could change "exec foowm" to "foowm; pkill jackd"
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18:13.33greycatdotCOMmie: that's another way
18:13.47xalvaldyn: fair enough
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18:14.21naddar_The amd64bits version of debian is it good?
18:14.21valdynxal: a) mirror is down or b) your networking is
18:14.25coolballwhy not use GDM with KDE?
18:14.33mwilsonxal: Now, I know your average unstable user falls down in a dead faint if there aren't new packages available 5 seconds after the upstream releases a new version, but that's not me.
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18:15.17mwilsoncoolball: I didn't say there was any reason to, or not to.  I asked why YOU were.
18:15.23dotCOMmiebomb: did that help?
18:15.26Eulexnaddar_, sure, it's good -- however, some things like flash does not work with it, and some drivers also don't, but that's not its fault and it can't be claimed for it :)
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18:15.40coolballi am just scared to change stuff like that
18:15.40bombdunno, haven't killed X yet
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18:15.44mwilsonHow is flash not working "bad"?
18:15.45bombdownloading something in galeon
18:15.46jshriveris it possible to change the owner of a mount point? particularly a smbfs mount point
18:16.08dotCOMmiebomb: but you understand what to do?
18:16.11mwilsonSure.  Unmount it, change ownership, remount.
18:16.12greycatmwilson: if you have to ask that question, you might as well just *plonk* and forget.
18:16.18naddar_Eulex: does the java works??
18:16.23Eulexnaddar_, I dunno
18:16.39Eulexjshriver, -o gid=xxxx
18:16.44naddar_ok, gues i better wait then to use it
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18:16.50greycatthe near-death of Java applets on web sites is a positive change for the good.
18:16.50dotCOMmieanyway gotta run to class be back in 2 hours
18:17.00greycatI just wish Flash hadn't come in to *replace* it.
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18:17.51mwilsongreycat: You know, I keep hearing that Java on web sites is done, but then why are there all these cluebies trying to use Java in their browsers?
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18:17.54gatanGuys if i wanna rename my account on my debian comp, is there any easy command for that?
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18:18.43asggatan: usermod
18:18.44jshriver-gid? I need my useraccount and cron to access the share
18:19.06gatanasg: ok, my settings and stuff in WM xfce4 will be the same right?
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18:19.19valdyngatan: just dont do it.
18:19.28gatanvaldyn: okey
18:19.42asggatan: probably unless they reference your old username (grep to see)
18:19.54gatanasg: roger :)
18:20.02asggatan: it's generally a bad idea but is possible. Also, don't forget your group too.
18:20.12gatanok
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18:20.26jshriveror can I mount the smbfs share so that anyone can acccess it? I'm the only one on either box.. and both are behind a firewall
18:20.36mwilsonjshriver: man mount
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18:21.52jshrivermwilson, have a query strring? just did a search for access in the man page and came across nothing with respect to universal access and/or samba
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18:23.02jc-dentonnobody seems to have an idea about aptitude
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18:23.54bombcheers, i only see one jackd running now
18:24.02asgjc-denton: does 'aptitude search foo bar' not work?
18:24.09valdynjshriver: samba is responsible for who can mount, NOT for who can use that mounted share
18:24.12jc-dentonno
18:24.30jc-dentonwell it takes that for an or
18:24.31thatguy100i forgot my root password on one of my debian boxes or it isn't accepting it, how do i reset it or change it, i think it has something to do with shadow passwords, i have to box right in front of me.  I can get to it through my regular user account but that is it
18:24.32Gathondjc-denton: and is usually &, but that is probably reserved by bash
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18:24.40chealergreycat, sorry to challenge /topic, but did you consider adding testing security?
18:24.49jshriverhrm ok see the part about gid... is there a gid number that allows anyone to access?
18:24.55Gathondthatguy100: boot it with init=/bin/bash
18:25.01Daffy-PKFdoes someone knows how to fix the memory leak with ati fglrx drivers and neverwinter nights?
18:25.04tarzeauthatguy100: reboot it and say linuxkernel init=/bin/bash
18:25.05jshriverI need more than 1 account to access the share
18:25.12jc-dentonGathond: does not work either
18:25.15chealerhi tarzeau
18:25.16Eulexjshriver, you could also try umask=xxxx
18:25.16stewthatguy100: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password
18:25.18tarzeauthatguy100: then edit /etc/shadow or passwd to have :: in the password field of root
18:25.19jc-dentoni tried apt search foo \& bar
18:25.30chealertarzeau, what do you think about wiki.d.o?
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18:25.35shingouz!tell thatguy100 about i forgot root's password
18:25.40tarzeauchealer: no idea, i haven't looked at it. hi
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18:25.58valdynDaffy-PKF: we cannot debug proprietary software.
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18:26.06greycatthe BSP is over now, right?
18:26.08jshriveris there a universal umask? uid? gid?
18:26.10chealertarzeau, ok. your wiki wasn't mentionned there yet last time I checked
18:26.10kimoI am looking into selling my moderate linux skills online to help people. Any suggestions for freelance work ?
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18:26.19thatguy100thanks guys
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18:26.30tarzeauchealer: so what? like i give a shit
18:26.31jshriverkimo: I receive an email from google if you want me to forward it to you
18:26.33asgjc-denton: the manpage says to look for ``Search Patters'' in the aptitude reference manual. Have you done this?
18:26.35greycatjshriver: umask is per-process.  it is kept in each process's environment space, and is inherited.
18:26.35EulexDaffy-PKF, 8.14.13 had some memory leaks, according to ati. have you upgraded to 8.16.20
18:26.47kimojshriver, sure thing
18:26.54jshriver./msg me
18:26.56jc-dentonasg: well that's what i did
18:27.05jc-dentonthere was just | described
18:27.06jc-dentonfor or
18:27.12chealertarzeau, you host a Debian wiki, but you don't care about what happens to it :?
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18:27.33Phr0zenKoremaar moet gaan, doei
18:27.35runahey :) does anyone knows why there isn't openoffice for debian64/
18:27.36runa?
18:27.39kimojshriver, accept plz
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18:27.48tarzeauchealer: i couldn't care less
18:27.57asgjc-denton: and did you do "aptitude search 'foo|bar'" or just aptitude search foo|bar ?
18:28.10Eulexruna, iirc it doesn't compile for amd64
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18:28.25chealertarzeau, ok...did you ever care about it?
18:28.30jc-dentonasg: well i want to use the and operation
18:28.31jc-dentonnot or
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18:28.48mwilsongreycat: He just *won't* read the man page, will he?
18:28.54jshriverkimo, hrm not getting any thing.. email me jshriver@gmail.com I'll forward you the google offer
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18:29.11tarzeauchealer: why would it matter. yes i did
18:29.18runaEulex: and any solution for that? :)
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18:29.20torbjornhow can i stop kernel messages from printing to my terminal?
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18:29.34jc-dentonasg: like apt-cache search foo bar
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18:29.43chealertarzeau, well, I was wondering if there was a reason you stopped caring
18:29.43greycattorbjorn: /msg dpkg klogd
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18:29.55torbjornthanks
18:29.57originalthpdoes debian sarge have version 3 nfs server so i can use > 2gb files?
18:30.06tarzeauchealer: yes, there always are reasons.
18:30.17tarzeauoriginalthp: yes
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18:30.44originalthptarzeau: which package? nfs-user-server doesn#t have it :/
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18:31.11tarzeauoriginalthp: nfs-kernel-server ?
18:31.13jshriveractually does this channel have a scratch pad for code? I could paste that google email if anyone else is looking for a linux job...
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18:31.20originalthptarzeau: okay, thanks.. will try that =)
18:31.23asuffielddon't use bloody nfs-user-server
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18:31.33asgjc-denton: then OR two regexes (foo.*bar)|(bar.*foo)
18:31.36abrotmanor not so bloody
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18:32.07jc-dentonhehe
18:32.19jc-dentonasg: ok not very beautiful but works
18:32.20jc-dentonthx
18:32.44jc-dentonso is it possible that the aptitude author forgot about this?
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18:34.31kimojshriver, I just mailed you
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18:35.41shingouzjshriver: mind if i hit you with an email too?
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18:36.01TwistedEmotionsI am running this command and the syntax is as follows...   Syntax: ./hydra [[[-l LOGIN|-L FILE] [-p PASS|-P FILE]] | [-C FILE]] [-e ns] [-o FILE] [-t TASKS] [-M FILE [-T TASKS]] [-w TIME] [-f] [-s PORT] [-S] [-vV] server service [OPT]
18:36.11TwistedEmotionsnow readme said..
18:36.31TwistedEmotionsThe environment variable HYDRA_PROXY_HTTP defines the web proxy (this works
18:36.31TwistedEmotionsjust for the http/www service!). The following syntax is valid:  HYDRA_PROXY_HTTP="http://123.45.67.89:8080/"
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18:36.45jshriverkimo just responded...
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18:36.48jshrivershingouz, sure...
18:36.51shingouzty
18:36.56shuveb|homei have booted my system with the netboot image - i have it connected to one more system with a ethernet cross cable. on the 2nd system, i have a debian CD1 ISO image, which i have loop mounted. how do i now setup a local mirror so that i can install without connecting to the internet?
18:36.58jshriverthey sent that email to our local lug...
18:37.11jshriverif I had the skills I'd love to work there.
18:37.12TwistedEmotionsI dont get how to call the command with a proxy environment.. ideas anyone?
18:37.14kimojshriver, thnx a lot
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18:37.21jshriverkimo, did you get it?
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18:37.37TwistedEmotionssudo ./hydra -l /home/linux/un.TXT -P /home/linux/pass.TXT -v www.foo.com http-proxy HYDRA_PROXY_HTTP="193.95.90.52:80/" /members/
18:37.43jshrivershingouz, just email me jshriver@gmail.com I'll forward it..
18:37.45TwistedEmotionsis what I currently have...
18:37.55TwistedEmotionsany ideas anyone?
18:38.05shingouzjshriver: done
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18:39.19vagabundpo sky.fm presents asia - heat of the moment - *ear*
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18:40.43greycatvagabund: we do not care.
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18:41.21kimojshriver, thnx I got it
18:41.57chucky-hi...
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18:42.02valdynjc-denton: aptitude search "(word1)(word2)"
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18:42.13jshrivershingouz, it's sent
18:42.15chucky-i am having problems with a USB device..
18:42.19jshriverbbiab
18:42.22jc-dentonvaldyn: thx
18:42.24chucky-with a USB modem,
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18:42.26shingouzjshriver: thanks, man :)
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18:42.55chucky-the kenel or udev do not create the device.
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18:43.19chucky-voip:~# tail -f /var/log/messages
18:43.19chucky-Sep 12 10:21:23 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 3
18:43.19chucky-Sep 12 10:21:25 localhost usb.agent[3493]:      cdc-acm: loaded successfully
18:43.19chucky-Sep 12 10:21:25 localhost kernel: usbcore: registered new driver cdc_acm
18:43.19chucky-Sep 12 10:21:25 localhost kernel: drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: v0.23:USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters
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18:43.52chealerI have a laptop and a desktop computer that I both use pretty much, to do almost the same thing. I'm wondering if there's some document or software that could be helpful to allow some directories to be replicated "intelligently".
18:44.07asgchealer: rsync
18:44.16vagabundoh sorry my emotions flight to high -
18:44.42chealerby intelligently I mean that it shouldn't delete new files that are created on either machine, and possibly prompt me before syncing files
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18:45.02s0n1pngwn:/etc/openvpn# ldd /usr/sbin/openvpn
18:45.13asgchealer: unison maybe
18:45.14chealerasg, can rsync work not in a completely master-slave model?
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18:45.20chealerok
18:45.20s0n1.. gw:/etc/openvpn# ldd /usr/sbin/openvpn
18:45.23eeyore-cheal: nfs-mounting
18:45.26s0n1pngwn:/etc/openvpn# ldd /usr/sbin/openvpn
18:45.34s0n1pngwn:/etc/openvpn# ldd /usr/sbin/openvpn
18:45.36eeyore-cheal: unless you want to disconnect from the nfs server :-)
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18:45.44chealernfs-mounting... I'd prefer if it could be used as a backup too
18:45.49s0n1openvpn: error while loading shared libraries: liblzo.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied
18:45.51chealerand to some extent offline
18:45.59s0n1someone see this problem in OPENVPN ?
18:46.04s0n1debian unstable
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18:46.49eeyore-s0n1: ooh, you have some non-executable stack patch?
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18:46.53shingouzs0n1: clue: "Permission denied"
18:46.58chucky-udev o kernel, don't create /dev/ttyACM0.
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18:47.12chucky-i don't know why?
18:47.30chucky-somebody help me...
18:47.32jshrivershingouz, np
18:47.36shingouz:)
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18:50.30nicoAMG¡Hola! Hello!
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18:52.31Eulex!es
18:52.31dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:54.10abrotman!moo
18:54.11dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
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18:54.23Kaneda!linux
18:54.24dpkglinux is probably closed
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18:54.37Kanedalol
18:54.40pipeline...."Have you mooed today?"...
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18:55.04Eulexpipeline, tried apt-build moo?
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18:55.34asgpipeline: or cowsay -f stimpy "I'm a moron"
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18:55.44Eulexpipeline, also try aptitude moo, aptitude moo -v, aptitude moo -vv, aptitude moo -vvv etc
18:56.07pipelineEulex: I'd never tried aptitude anything.  Is it installed by default?
18:56.10RvGaTeomg pipeline
18:56.15RvGaTenothing to do huh?
18:56.15RvGaTe:P
18:56.16Eulexpipeline, no
18:56.40chealeraptitude is important
18:56.49chealerand dselect is...required :S
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18:57.59vagabundwhat is aptitude? can i eat it?
18:58.14asgvagabund: it's like veal
18:58.50Eulexvagabund, it's apt-get with an ncurses gui
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18:58.59chealervagabund, it's an essential nutrient according to the canadian food guide
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19:00.08donaldvagabund: you can also use it like apt-get; it checks better the dependencies by upgrading woody to sarge
19:00.18overclockerhi, i installed suid-perl, i made the call in the script with perl -T, but i couldn't get suid, what am i missing?
19:00.23Eulexchealer, almost :) http://www.cda-adc.ca/english/dentistry_in_canada/getting_started/dental_aptitude_test/default.asp
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19:01.29Eulexthere also seems to be something called Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery in Canada
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19:02.14chealerEulex, hehehe :)
19:02.16ZweideutigDentist?
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19:02.27ZweideutigDentists, THEY ARE EVIL HEATEN!
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19:02.47ZweideutigThey take all my money and then tellme to stop eating donuts and drinking Mountain Dew.
19:03.03samuelhow do i get exim to resend things in the mailq that have been frozen?
19:03.08Eulexhehe, right, Zweideutig
19:03.12ZweideutigAnd I once brought a two litre bottle of Mountain Dew and it was dumped out.
19:03.24ZweideutigDamn dentist wouldn't reimburse me.
19:03.33daniele83hi! how can I record an X session to a mjpeg file or to a numbered sequence of images?
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19:03.55Zugschlussamuel: exim -M <message-ID>
19:04.02ZweideutigDamn dentists is always telling me I need a tooth pulled, a root canal, a filling.
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19:04.09samuelZugschlus, thx
19:04.15vagabundZweideutig: are u kidden?
19:04.19ZweideutigNo.
19:04.41ZweideutigThen I am always told "stop drinking Mountain Dew and eating donuts."
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19:06.42empty_mindany debian security auditor in the channel ? i need to discuss something
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19:06.56ZweideutigI don't like being told what to do by dentists (people who I give up enough money to buy a Mac Mini too.)
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19:07.30runaand.. does anyone has firefox 1.5b1 for amd64?
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19:07.37ZweideutigIf anyone is considering dentistry, don't tell your clients to stop drinking soda-pop and donuts. In fact, have a soda fountain in your office.
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19:07.55Althaserwhich packages i need for install the gnome base ? plase
19:07.59moh0Hi, now when i gona install my nvidia driver is says please shutdown X before you install this: but kill X doesnt work, anyone who can give me an hand? :)
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19:08.11Kaneda!tux
19:08.11dpkgi heard tux is a cute cuddly penguin. Worship him. the logo of Linux, or the linux logo because once, while on vacation in the southern hemisphere, Linus Torvalds was bitten on the hand by a penguin!
19:08.12nkuttlerAlthaser: /msg dpkg install gnome
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19:08.22Althasernkuttler thanks
19:08.26Zweideutigmoh0: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
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19:08.48uweum, how do i tell apt-get to get the source code of some piece of software instead of getting the precompiled .deb ?
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19:09.08Kanedamoh0: init 3
19:09.08timouwe, apt-get source foo
19:09.19uweah, thank you timo
19:09.42moh0Zweideutig: that doesnt work
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19:10.22KanedaI guess that did :P
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19:10.58ZweideutigDon't tell me it doesn't work, you unintelligent heterotrophic organism!
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19:11.14moh0Zweideutig: Hi, its works but then i come to "gnome" login windows instead :/
19:11.16Kanedalol
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19:11.28moh0=P
19:11.29Kanedamoh0:  did you try init 3?
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19:11.38ZweideutigSorry.
19:11.44kenboomoh0 Ctl-Alt-F1 and kll gdm or xdm
19:11.44Zweideutigmoh0: Hmm.
19:11.45moh0Kaneda: is it kill init 3?
19:11.52moh0kenboo: ty
19:11.55Kanedano just init 3
19:11.57ZweideutigType init 0 ;)
19:12.01Kanedanoooo!
19:12.03Zweideutigheheh, don't.
19:12.04Kanedalol
19:12.13Kanedainit 6 :P
19:12.34Kanedapick a number, any number
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19:12.56uwehmm, apt-get source login returns E: Unable to find a source package for shadow !
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19:13.05DerRobintry eg init 9
19:13.24Kanedainit 9?
19:13.28timouwe, make sure you have the source repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list, i.e. 'deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib' in addition to 'deb http://...'
19:13.28vagabundam I only dreaming -
19:13.28uweim not sure what i have to do to get the source code of login !
19:13.32moh0Kaneda: what is orginal with init 3, i see is something about precesses to do with...not nice of you :/
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19:13.49uweah ... ic , thanks again timo
19:13.52EdibleTextmoh0, /etc/init.d/{g,k,x}dm stop
19:14.09timouwe, then run apt-get update and try again
19:14.17kenbooEdibleText, uh that's nice.
19:14.18Kanedamoh0: what? just typ init 3 in console and when you're done typ init 5
19:14.26Kanedato get back to X
19:14.38moh0Kaneda: ok, thx alot
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19:14.45EdibleTextkenboo, did i make a boo boo?
19:15.03kenbooEdibleText,  no i meant it. it's good
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19:15.31kenbooswitching console/X by init3.5 is horribly wrong
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19:15.39uwethank you timo, it worked
19:15.41Kanedawhy?
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19:16.23timouwe, no problem
19:16.26Eulexwhy not just kill the login manager and start it again?
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19:16.39Kanedahe said it didn't work
19:16.47Eulexs/login manager/display manager/
19:16.56j0nasanyone whos good whit coppermine image gallery?
19:17.02Eulexthen try killing XFree86|Xorg
19:17.08stewKaneda: runlevel 3 and runlevel 5 are the same in debian by default.
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19:17.19Kanedathey are?
19:17.22Kanedahmm
19:17.30stewKaneda: 2-5 are all the same
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19:17.39EulexKaneda, there aren't gui and non-gui runlevels in debian
19:17.48Kanedaweird
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19:18.25EulexKaneda, no, it's redhat etc that are weird
19:18.58Kaneda"yeah the whole world is insane,except me"
19:19.45jshriverback
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19:22.10vagabunddebian is a little bit of freedom for me - *g*
19:22.20Kaneda...
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19:22.43Eulexvagabund, in what way? :)
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19:23.02Eulexused to windows?
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19:23.53cr3I'm running sarge and ran apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade. however, firefox is still 1.0.4. shouldn't it be upgraded to 1.0.6?
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19:24.21greycatno.
19:24.24greycat!stable
19:24.24dpkgrumour has it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r0, or ask me about releases.
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19:24.45stewcr3: do you have a security line in sources.list?
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19:25.33stewcr3: what does "apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox" say for Installed: and Candidate: ?
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19:26.25vagabundI often used windows - I open and shut them -
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19:27.25nvzdpkg, windows?
19:27.26dpkg[windows] PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows they don't work.
19:27.37nvzdpkg, gates?
19:27.37dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, gates is In a world of free software, there are no fences or walls. So who needs Gates and Windows?
19:28.07hanzsomeone using vhcs [ http://www.vhcs.net ]?
19:28.15werwdpkg, Bill
19:28.16dpkgwell, bill is a dork, or see xbill
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19:28.27goodshitAnyone know if this is a Name Server, NS.VISUALSQUARE.COM I tried adding it to my domain name but it says, Nameserver ns.visualsquare.com doesn't exists in the registry. what does it mean? Why can't I add it. Anyone know.. thanks.
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19:28.35SonicKi configured my xorg but my mouse wheel don't work
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19:28.44SonicKi choose 'auto'
19:28.54nvzSonicK: sounds like you "misconfigured" your xorg :)
19:28.59pipelineSonicK: What did you use to configure xorg?
19:29.03werwyou can probe protocoll IMPS2
19:29.17SonicKit's an USB mouse
19:29.22werwauch
19:29.35SonicKIMPS2 works for usb too ?
19:30.00cr3stew: I have this security line in my sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
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19:30.24nvzIMPS/2 for one thing, and for another its _IS_ USB
19:30.25swardSonicK: Probably, I have a MS Optical USB using the ExplorerPS/2 protocol
19:30.30cr3stew: apt-cache policy returns 1.0.4-2sarge3 for both Installed and Candidate
19:30.54nvzits only PS/2 with an adapter
19:31.02_pitombera_USB ps/2? i don't believe that
19:31.09SonicKsward: ok i didn't try PS/2 protocol
19:31.20_pitombera_i don't remeber but usb is not a ps/2
19:31.31_pitombera_is another protocol
19:31.33SonicKI tried everything but PS/2
19:31.38greycatI've seen PS/2 to USB adapters for mice.
19:31.38_pitombera_another? other
19:31.51nvzthe Intellimouse has an autosensing protocol. its USB and comes with a USB->PS/2 adapter
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19:31.55_pitombera_my english is sux =]
19:32.07Coweaterimps/2 works with my usb device
19:32.12SonicK_pitombera_: french ?
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19:32.18_pitombera_no np
19:32.24_pitombera_Brazilian Boy =]
19:32.28SonicK^^
19:32.52Eulex!br
19:32.52dpkgPor favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:32.56Eulex?
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19:33.53Thanatermesiswhat are the modules for load pcmcia device ? only "pcmcia" module ?
19:34.12nvzI think portuguese was just some spanish speaker who never payed attention in school, or forgot, and made the rest of the shit up when he found a new country
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19:34.44EulexThanatermesis, afaik they're built into the 2.6 kernels, but there are separate modules for them if you're running a 2.4 kernel
19:34.45Kanedalol
19:34.46SonicKso debian install was not so hard, i passed it !
19:34.57SonicKi'm so proud
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19:35.08pipelinenvz: Actually, it's closer to the other way around.  Portugeuse is closer to the vulgar latin it replaced.
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19:35.26nvzpipeline: whatever.. spanish makes more sense
19:35.30pipelinenvz: Also, schools didn't bother teaching vulgar latin.  They only taught classical and church latin.
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19:36.05pipelinenvz: You see, in the Roman empire, 99% of all written material, even personal correspondence, was done in a sort of stultified latin that dated to the dawn of the empire
19:36.21ThanatermesisEulex my exact problem is: I need to load the pcmcia module for use firewire boot from cdrom for liveCD... the only problem is I don't have pcmcia module included in the miniroot.gz, what modules I need exactly for load and works the pcmcia ? (the minimum posible=)
19:36.31_pitombera_i need learn english
19:36.34barryhhi all. looking for recommendations on cardbus firewire/ieee1394a adapters to use with my thinkpad; any firewire users online?
19:36.38_pitombera_i prefer this channel =]
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19:36.55KanedaI've been told that if you know latin, you'll learn other languages rather quick
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19:37.27abrotman#english exists
19:37.29sward_pitombera_: You already speak English better than some English people, it should be easy :)
19:37.39abrotmansward: how you say mean?
19:37.39vagabundhihi
19:37.47_pitombera_hehehehe
19:37.57_pitombera_my english is so poor
19:38.04_pitombera_i need learn more
19:38.14pipelineNeed to learn more.
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19:38.20_pitombera_thanx
19:38.26abrotmanhe's gonna end up getting banned
19:38.43_pitombera_what?
19:38.44Kanedacuz of his poor english?
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19:38.48Eulexone user error less...
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19:38.58_pitombera_bah
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19:39.12EnsignRedshirtHello, world.
19:39.14abrotmanbecause it's poor enough that it's difficult and confusing to communicate with him .. but oh well
19:39.24_pitombera_yah
19:39.37Kanedalets talk binary it's universal
19:39.39Kaneda:P
19:39.39vagabundwe learn it too - :)
19:39.45_pitombera_for that i need learn more english
19:39.52Eulexlol Kaneda
19:39.52_pitombera_we?
19:40.03EnsignRedshirtI could swear it used to work, but now I can't seem to access my CDROM.
19:40.07abrotmanKaneda: and you know this how ?
19:40.09_pitombera_01000100100101
19:40.11_pitombera_hehehehehehe
19:40.17vagabundits a conclusion of words wrap around a finger -
19:40.25Kanedaabrotman: what do you mean?
19:40.28_pitombera_wrap?
19:40.33looneybird_77590<PROTECTED>
19:40.34abrotmanKaneda: how do you know it's universal ?
19:40.42EnsignRedshirtHow would I figure out which device is the CDROM?
19:40.55KanedaI've never seen a computer using 0, 1 or 2
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19:41.08Eulexnah, it's not universal -- there are different architectures and dialects
19:41.14_pitombera_Kaneda: 2?
19:41.30Kanedaokay
19:41.38_pitombera_looneybird_77590: apt-cache search alsa?
19:41.56_pitombera_find a alsa mod for your kernel version
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19:41.58_pitombera_or not?
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19:42.18Eulexlooneybird_77590, you don't need to compile alsa -- just apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf
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19:42.26_pitombera_in the binarie language exist 2? i don't believe that Kaneda =]
19:42.38Eulex_pitombera_, alsa is compiled into the kernel
19:42.40_pitombera_i say that Eulex
19:42.45_pitombera_but...
19:42.56Kanedano that's what I said, I've NEVER seen a computer using a 2
19:42.57setog3hi , I have buy today an epson c86 , and now I want to install this on my debian box, I use the parrallel port, how can I know if my printer is working ? I have try foomatic and the print page, but nothing , please help me
19:42.58_pitombera_when i use apt-cache search alsa
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19:43.17_pitombera_i find a packages with kernel version
19:43.25_pitombera_examples
19:43.36_pitombera_alsa-modules-i386-2.6.....
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19:43.43_pitombera_understand?
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19:44.07rwonghum, is there an available backport of rtorrent for sarge?
19:44.21rwongor is there an easy way to accomplish getting this package installed?
19:44.28Eulex_pitombera_, oh yes, there's modules for the 2.4 kernels -- but I've never seen and doesn't see any such modules for 2.6
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19:45.14monitorwhat channel debian brasil????
19:45.16looneybird_77590ok. will try that in a while.   just had someone knock on door.  gota go make some money.
19:45.16swardrwong: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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19:45.18sward!bp
19:45.19sward!b.
19:45.20dpkgmethinks b is a programming language created by Ken Thompson, which features some of the data types of C (int and float).  It's syntax is mostly borrowed from BCPL, although a bit of Algol shows through.
19:45.20Eulex!br
19:45.20dpkgPor favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:45.23swardbah
19:45.27ThanatermesisBus 001 Device 007: ID 0ea0:2168 Jetflash ... What device /dev/sd?? are this ? Im not know for mount
19:45.29Eulexsward, :P
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19:45.37swardbloodf Dvorak messin' me up
19:45.38looneybird_77590be back later
19:46.01rwongsward: thankxx
19:46.02setog3please help me, what must I do , add some modules to my kernel for the parallel port ?
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19:46.35vagabundah a seemawn - *g*
19:47.07EnsignRedshirtAccording to /etc/fstab, /dev/hdc should be my cdrom, but there is no /dev/hdc.  Any obvious things to try first to get my CDROM working?
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19:47.58EulexEnsignRedshirt, also possible that your cdrom is /dev/scd0 -- check your dmesg
19:48.05swardsetog3: If you're using a "standard" kernel-image-* package, no, parallel port support should be included
19:48.09mwilsonEnsignRedshirt: fstab is *just* a text file.  Nothing more.  Where *is* the CD?
19:48.21setog3sward, I use a standart image
19:48.25NoThingmwilson m? :)
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19:48.43EnsignRedshirtmwilson: Well, that's the problem.  I don't know.
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19:48.56EnsignRedshirtEulex: There is no /dev/scd*
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19:49.26EulexEnsignRedshirt, checked your dmesg yet?
19:49.35Thanatermesishow to mount my fucking usb device ? the /dev/sd?[1-9] not works :S
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19:49.43Thanatermesisbut are loaded succesfully
19:49.47EnsignRedshirtEulex: dmesg | grep scd   returned nothing
19:49.51EulexThanatermesis, fdisk -l
19:50.03EulexEnsignRedshirt, dmesg | grep -i cd
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19:50.23EulexEnsignRedshirt, dmesg | grep -i dvd if it's a dvd drive
19:50.26mwilsonEnsignRedshirt: How can you not know?
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19:51.12Thanatermesisstrange Eulex ... I don't have this in fdisk, but ehci... are loaded succesfully
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19:51.35EnsignRedshirtEulex: Nothing shows up.  (The "cd" grep showed several lines with uhci_hcd.)
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19:52.18EulexThanatermesis, switch to a text console (CTRL-ALT-F1), log in, and remove and insert your usb thingy -- check what output you get in the console
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19:52.28EulexEnsignRedshirt, hmm, I dunno
19:52.58EulexEnsignRedshirt, what does lspci say about your IDE interface?
19:53.06setog3"Parallel port busy; will retry in 30 seconds..."  <-- I have this in cups :!
19:53.11vagabundI need traffic to clean my brain -
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19:53.53vagabundlets do it volks -
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19:54.13EnsignRedshirtEulex: 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801BA IDE U100 (rev 04)
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19:55.01rwongsward: hey, after following these instructions for a backport out of sid, do I leave and deal with the sid apt source trying to bring everything to sid or can I remove it?
19:55.20EulexEnsignRedshirt, ok -- I was checking if you had one of those ICH6 that needs a kernel recompilation, but you didn't -- so I dunno
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19:55.45ThanatermesisEulex I have usb-storage in "static" for the kernel... this is bad for use with sticks ?
19:56.12EulexThanatermesis, I don't think so -- btw, did you compile your kernel yourself?
19:56.20Thanatermesisyes
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19:56.41EulexThanatermesis, did you use a debian kernel config file as base or did you configure from scratch?
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19:57.20EulexThanatermesis, did anything appear in your console?
19:57.21EnsignRedshirtI haven't used the CDROM in a long time, probably not since upgrading to kernel 2.6.
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19:57.33Thanatermesisoh, Im used a old old old config from my first configs for the kernel :) 2.4.18 -> 2.4.20 -> 2.6.7 etc... but in the portable computer (using the same base), works good the usb
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19:57.46EulexEnsignRedshirt, do you still have 2.4?
19:57.50swardrwong: You should only include a deb-src line for sid.. if the build requires packages only from sid you may want to do as dpkg suggests and "pay someone to do it properly :)", or wait
19:58.10EnsignRedshirtEulex: Hmmm... probably.
19:58.32EnsignRedshirtEulex: Yeah, there is still 2.4 stuff in /boot
19:58.41EulexEnsignRedshirt, if so, boot 2.4 and check what cdrom device it finds, then google for it and your computer brand and make
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19:59.30yacyaccan anyone help i am having problem with my gnome ... i get error while i do gnome-session
19:59.42Eulex!doesn't work
19:59.43dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
19:59.50ThanatermesisEulex in any case, this not works :  for i in /dev/sd?[1-9] ; do mount $i nada/ ; done
19:59.53swardrwong: If the build was successful, you may remove deb-src lines; you may have problems if you added deb lines and try to remove them
19:59.59_pitombera_sorry Eulex
20:00.07_pitombera_you is alright
20:00.10rwongsward: right-o, caught that
20:00.19yacyaccan anyone help me
20:00.30sward!anyone
20:00.30dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
20:00.44swardhmm.. changes
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20:01.11_pitombera_i'm confuse with 386 586 ...
20:01.16setog3please someone can help me to install this printer ?
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20:01.33EulexThanatermesis, I dunno, but does that script test things like sdb2?
20:01.38swardsetog3: Have you checked linuxprinting.org?
20:01.39_pitombera_setog3: what printer?
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20:01.50_pitombera_cups? lprng?
20:01.52Thanatermesissure, test all posibilities Eulex :)
20:02.03_pitombera_what do you want?
20:02.07ThanatermesisEulex try:  for i in /dev/sd?[1-9] ; do echo $i ; done
20:02.11setog3yes , I have checked linuxprinting.org , I have buy this printer because it was suggested buy linuxprinting.org ,
20:02.27setog3it'is an epson c86
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20:02.31EulexThanatermesis, ok -- my bash skills aren't the best
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20:03.06setog3I try to install this with cups , but when I send a print page test, don't work
20:03.09EulexThanatermesis, btw, if fdisk -l /dev/sda etc doesn't show you the partitions, mounting won't work
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20:03.29setog3for now , I only want to know if the printer is recognize buy the system .
20:03.39EnsignRedshirtEulex: Thanks for the tips, I'll give 2.4 a shot.
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20:03.54vagabunddebian was a system you can discover -
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20:04.13setog3what is the good way ? echo plop > /dev/lp0 ???
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20:04.53thecoolestcowhey, i need help: i installed open office, and as i was opening a new presentation file it crashed. now i dont know how to force quit it.
20:05.09setog3thecoolestcow, xkill
20:05.12Eulexthecoolestcow, xkill? killall? kill?
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20:05.17Thanatermesisyeah, sure, mmmh, definitevely are a problem of the kernel... you can help me for look if the usb or scsi parameters are good ?
20:05.21thecoolestcowxkill openoffice?
20:05.38setog3xkill and after click openoffice
20:05.52thecoolestcowsweet, i got it
20:05.54nvzthecoolestcow: run xkill from the tools menu, and it will change your mouse cursor to crosshairs
20:05.54setog3_pitombera_, no idea for helping me ?
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20:06.42runawhat should I do with a process that refuses to die (even with kill -9)
20:07.04swardsetog3: Check lsmod for parport_pc and ppdev, if they're not there, load them, and continue your investigation
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20:07.15mwilsonruna: Ignore it.
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20:07.16nvzI like to bind a key combo like Window:Ctrl+Alt+Button1-Click1 to "kill client" saves having to start xkill when you really need it
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20:07.29EulexThanatermesis, I dunno about that, but be sure to check your kernel config -- everything has always Just Worked (tm) for me
20:07.34runamwilson: um.. ok
20:07.37swardsetog3: s/lsmod/the output of lsmod/
20:07.50setog3<PROTECTED>
20:07.50setog3parport                37064  3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc
20:07.50setog3<PROTECTED>
20:07.55setog3ok ?
20:08.02swardyep
20:08.27cmathesoni'm having a problem where my nameserver returns servfail to ipv6 (aaaa) requests... i need it to return 'nodata' (this is for my mailserver), anyway... where do i change my nameserver's behavior like that?  does that go in named.conf? (i'm having trouble figuring out how i would work that in...)
20:08.31peterSruna: really it's all you *can* do
20:08.44peterSruna: short of rebooting, or, as albert cahalan once put it, running "emacs /proc/kcore"
20:08.47peterS(that was a joke, don't try it)
20:08.52setog3sward, after ?
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20:09.06swardsetog3: Not a clue
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20:09.17ThanatermesisEulex SCSI disk support in the kernel, module... its good ?
20:09.34echogenruna: got a hammer ?
20:09.35Eulexruna, zombie? kill the parent process
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20:09.57EnsignRedshirtHello, world.
20:09.58davFrhi! question : do I need to recompile the nvidia-modules package after I switched from Xfree86 to xorg ?
20:10.02mwilsonEulex: Or something stuck in D state... who knows?
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20:10.20swardGoodbye, world *trundles off to the pub*
20:10.32fkenhello and see ya
20:10.40setog3no idea to know if the cable is realy good connected ?
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20:11.04EulexThanatermesis, sorry, but I'm afraid I cannot help you more -- if your kernel config looks good to you, it's ok
20:11.06thecoolestcowyoo, stupid question, google couldnt help: how can i set up my sound card
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20:11.22Eulexthecoolestcow, tried running alsaconf?
20:11.30EnsignRedshirtEulex: Here I am in 2.4, and the CDROM is working from /dev/hdc.  There was not /dev/hdc when I was in 2.6.
20:11.32thecoolestcoweulex: thats what i needed to know
20:11.37Thanatermesis:/
20:11.40EnsignRedshirts/not/no/
20:11.41jahiHi, in which package are the manpages for the C-api?
20:11.52EulexEnsignRedshirt, so, what does dmesg say about it?
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20:12.35fkenI wanna say my lags under linux with my amd64 have nothing to deals with cdrom reader ; however it could have something to deals with amule ; its hard to realize where the problem comes from
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20:12.47EnsignRedshirtEulex: hdc: CRD-8482B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
20:12.47EnsignRedshirthdc: attached ide-cdrom driver.
20:12.47EnsignRedshirthdc: ATAPI 48X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache
20:12.47EnsignRedshirtUniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
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20:12.49NoThingfken m?
20:13.08Eulexuh-oh
20:13.12fkenbut the problem make famd use 90% of the cpu usage and forbid some software to open themselves
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20:13.57fkenNoThing>i came here and said i had trouble with my cdrom because when i mount it, linux becomes lagguy
20:14.09EnsignRedshirtSorry for the flood.
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20:14.37NoThingfken :) ok i have stupid nick :)
20:14.37cahootfken: so if you stop famd all is well?
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20:14.57EulexEnsignRedshirt, what 2.6 kernel were you running?
20:15.04thecoolestcowcan someone help me with xawtv: i can't properly configure it and i cant get the sound to shutup once i close it
20:15.31fkenEnsignRedshirt>under 2.6 kernel my cd recorder is considerated as a scsi one
20:15.35EnsignRedshirtEulex: 2.6.8
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20:16.38fkencahoot>i work now but i thought i had trouble with my cdrom because once famd is shut down, i mounted my cdrom and it became lagguy again
20:16.46LadyLinuxI need help with modem driver that doesn't install.
20:16.53fkencahoot>*it works
20:16.58mwilsonModems don't need drivers.
20:17.05thecoolestcowheh.
20:17.06mwilsonHence, whatever you're installing isn't a modem.
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20:17.23fkenLadyLinux>which kind of modem ?
20:17.29LadyLinuxIt's written for Linux.  .gz ending.
20:17.48mr_clarkHi there. Trying to set up a sniffer box with debian with no ipaddress. How do I get the NIC to come up at startup with NO IP Address?
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20:18.01LadyLinuxmake don't work becouse of kernel error.
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20:18.17dlimwilson, I remember in alsa->pci devices, there's an intel8x0 modem driver
20:18.22fkenLadyLinux>what kind of kernel error ?
20:18.44EnsignRedshirtEulex: in more detail, 2.6.8-2-686-smp
20:18.45EnsignRedshirtfken: What device name does it get?  This computer actually has two scsi hard drives (and a floppy, cdrom and zip drive).
20:18.45fkenLadyLinux>gcc 3.4 gcc4.0 compatibility lacks ?
20:18.45dliLadyLinux, do you have kernel-source or kernel-headers?
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20:18.56LadyLinux2.6 version.
20:19.14greycat!VAGUENESS
20:19.14dpkgVAGUENESS KILLS!
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20:19.20pirreI'm trying to set the screensaver timeout value with "xset s blank" and "xset s 0 0", but the screensaver still goes on after about 10 minutes. What am I doing wrong? I'm using sid, kernel 2.4.31.
20:19.48pirrethat's "noblank", not "blank"
20:19.50LadyLinuxSome one told me that it could be the  kernel module that it can't find.
20:20.01EulexEnsignRedshirt, interesting, your drive is dma blacklisted -- though that shouldn't make it not work
20:20.07Mr-Rmr_clark: comment out the hole entry in /etc/network/interfaces? if the sniffer runs without it...
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20:20.15fkenEnsignRedshirt>/dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   iso9660 ro,user,noauto             0       0
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20:20.33fkenEnsignRedshirt>change it in fstab
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20:20.58LadyLinuxdli:  I tried that.  The make file may need rescripting.  I'm not there yet.
20:20.59EnsignRedshirtfken: When I was in 2.6, /dev/scd* didn't exist.
20:21.02mr_clarkMr-R, Thanks. I think I've figured it out. Quite simple really. 'ifconfig eth1 up'
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20:21.16dliLadyLinux, you need the kernel-headers for your running
20:21.25Eulexfken, he doesn't even have a device
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20:21.30fkenEnsignRedshirt>linux debian 64 installed my cdrom and wrote hdc instead of scd0 ... really amazingly stupid
20:21.37Mr-Rmr_clark: there was a small figure in the snort-howto, how to cut the right lines in an twisted pair cable to enable only sniffing
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20:21.44fkenEulex>oh ... strange
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20:22.02fkenEulex>its like my laptop floppy disk
20:22.04LadyLinuxIt's through Ubuntu debian.
20:22.05Bob332can someone help me send mail from my debian machine
20:22.14abrotmanfken: it should be hdc and NOT scd0
20:22.40EnsignRedshirt... and /dev/hdc didn't exist in 2.6, either.
20:22.41LadyLinuxdli:  I would have reboot for that information.
20:22.51fkenabrotman>its not a reader but a recorder and linux chose to emule it as a scsi one
20:22.56EulexLadyLinux, ubuntu != debian
20:23.13abrotmanfken: it should be hdc .. not scd0 ..
20:23.17fkenEulex>yeah Ubuntu = debian for newbs
20:23.19abrotmanfken: would you like me to tell you again?
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20:23.26green_earzBob332: from the command line ?
20:23.28LadyLinuxdli: I want to get it to work before fully switching over.
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20:23.52fkenabrotman>hum... like you are proposing me to tell that again... its hard to refuse
20:23.53dondelelcaroLadyLinux: right, but it's still ubuntu now... there's not much we can do to assist you with it. See #ubuntu.
20:24.00fkenabrotman>;-)
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20:24.09mwilsonpirre: What do you use for a screensaver?
20:24.11LadyLinuxEuliex:  It was shipped free.
20:24.19abrotmanfken: in 2.6 .. scsi-emu is no longer needed for optical disc burning .. so the hdc is correct
20:24.22jsoq
20:24.23EulexLadyLinux, ubuntu still != debian
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20:24.51EulexEnsignRedshirt, I dunno, though it just struck me that you could try mod-probing ide-cdrom on the 2.6.8 kernel... and I gotta go to bed now, so goodnight
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20:24.55jahiHow do I get the 'man stdio' working?
20:24.56fkenabrotman>but linux created a scd0 peripheral and not a hdc one
20:25.01LadyLinuxdondelelcaro: I did and now I'm here.
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20:25.05pirremwilson: nothing? I mean, the screen just turns black
20:25.17EnsignRedshirtEulex: OK, thanks for the help so far.
20:25.19fkenabrotman>hdc was written only in fstab
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20:25.48green_earzBob332: mail the-email-adress     then return  then subject line then email body then . and return
20:25.49dondelelcaroLadyLinux: if they can't assist you, try asking the Ubuntu forums or the lists for help; they should have a faq on their channel. In either case, Ubuntu is OT here.
20:26.01abrotmanfken: did you tell the system to do that ?
20:26.06davFrINFO : debian testing offers to switch from xfree86 to xorg. Please be aware that you may have to recompile your nvidia-kernel-2.6.XXXX_i386.deb package to keep on using the nvidia X driver. At least, I had to recompile to make it work on my debian testing PC.
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20:26.21fkenabrotman>no but its amd64 so... maybe its another issues
20:26.24LadyLinuxdondelelcaro: I did.
20:26.35abrotmanfken: ask #debian-amd64
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20:26.42Eulex!they don't know
20:26.42dpkgJust because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems.  Go try Google.
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20:26.49Eulexand goodnight.
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20:26.54sgeigerbotDoes anyone know of a single-disk flopy distro that has an SSH client (and dd) built into it?
20:27.02sgeigerbottomsrtbt doesn't have ssh, IIRC.
20:27.12mwilsonI thought it did.
20:27.18mwilsonI disremember, though.
20:27.29LadyLinuxdpkg: It is a form of Sarge Debian.
20:27.29dpkgLadyLinux: what are you talking about?
20:27.30fkenabrotman>its a dead place there :)) but anyway i wont do that tonight i have to wake up tommorow
20:27.32sgeigerbotmwilson: at one point it didn't.
20:27.40setog3ok , the printer under linux was a bad things for me , now I want to kill something !
20:27.46mwilsonLadyLinux: Since when is Ubuntu any relation to Sarge?
20:27.54LadyLinuxUBUNTU = Sarge Debian.
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20:28.11mwilsonWow.
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20:28.25fken<LadyLinux> UBUNTU = Sarge Debian. ????????????????????????????????????
20:28.27mwilsonBoth barrels.
20:28.30dli_setog3, my printer prints PostScript codes instead of the PS page :(
20:28.35greycatfken: see what it got him, too.
20:28.39EnsignRedshirtfken: Well, for now I only need to install some software from the CDROM, so I can use 2.4 to do that, then go back to 2.6.  Figuring out why I can see the CDROM in 2.6 will have to wait.
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20:28.58EnsignRedshirts/can see/can't see/
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20:29.06setog3:D , my cups say to me the printer work well , print test page is ok , but nothing was printing :!
20:29.08dupondjehi guys, how can i interact with grub ?
20:29.18setog3I have buy this printer 80¤ .. and nothing work
20:29.19greycatdupondje: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README*
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20:29.38setog3greycat, I am sure you , you can help me ! please !
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20:29.47fkengreycat> what ?
20:29.48mwilsonsetog3: Idea is to buy something that has support, not buy something and try to figure out if it has support.
20:30.05martsGuys I'd like to download the source code and the kernel config for my 2.6.8-2-k7 image which I downloaded via apt so that I can do a compile with the same code with the same options with my own compiler.  Can I do that.
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20:30.06*** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> SPAMBOTS? /mode nickname +E | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg sarge firefox | X.org in sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main
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20:30.19dondelelcarodiff: ditched the bsp notice
20:30.23mwilsonmarts: What reason could you have to do that?
20:30.37setog3mwilson, in the page linuxprinting.org , in suggested printers, I read all the stylus color C8X work well , SO I BUY a C86 ... !
20:30.37greycatdondelelcaro: there was a suggestion to add the testing security info, too.
20:30.40greycat!testing security
20:30.40dpkgDon't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;)
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20:31.02martsI have nvidia source code that clashes because of the compiler magic version also it says that symbols are not found
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20:31.11*** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> SPAMBOTS? /mode nickname +E | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | /msg dpkg sarge firefox | X.org in sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main
20:31.13greycatmarts: /msg dpkg nvidia
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20:31.27dondelelcarodiff: added the testing security factoid to the topic
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20:31.39fkenso anyway ill try to get information about this strange lag ; if i could find whats create them alone it would be nice but... i dunno how to see it
20:31.40dondelelcarogreycat: good idea.
20:31.48l3mi'm trying to compile a library ( cegui ) on my debian system, and the configure scripts complains it can't find g++ / a c++ compiler. this error only exists since i upgraded to gcc4. any ideas how to solve it?
20:31.50greycatwasn't my idea...
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20:31.59greycatwas chealer's idea
20:32.15thecoolestcowneed help, xawtv keeps making sounds after i close it
20:32.31RvGaTehow do i restart a network interface
20:32.47TyreseJonesRvGaTe- ifconfig eth0 up
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20:33.01TyreseJoneseth0 being the name of ur interface
20:33.01dondelelcaroRvGaTe: ifdown <interface>; ifup <interface>
20:33.03dli_RvGaTe, usually, I just do "/etc/init.d/networking restart"
20:33.03greycatifdown; ifup
20:33.11thecoolestcowok
20:33.22fkengreycat>hey i still am not able to install my nvidia driver lol but maybe did the problem come from my motherboard : nForce4 and PCI E 16x with geforce 6600 SLI desactivated on my MSI K8N SLI Platinum
20:33.26setog3MY GOD , something writing on the printer : L 1284.4 @EJL @ejl 1284.4 @ejl
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20:33.42setog3I think it is good thing in printer language !
20:33.49setog3I am on the good way ..
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20:34.03fkengreycat>ill have to try to install them again because i just installed the nvidia nForce4 drivers
20:34.15greycatinstalling the upstream nvidia drivers WILL fuck up your debian system.
20:34.20greycatthat's why we have the bot and the FAQ.
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20:34.27martsthanks greycat.  I have not become fully debianised and I'm not a big fan of such one liners.
20:34.43martsI'd just like to compile it myself to know what is going on.
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20:34.52dli_fken, nvidia was the reason why I switched from debian to gentoo
20:34.52greycatyou may watch m-a do its thing.
20:34.56fkengreycat> oh ... at this point
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20:35.04dondelelcarol3m: give us the output of config.log using the paster bot
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20:35.20thecoolestcowneed help mounting my NTFS drive
20:35.22fken<dli_>i cannot try gentoo : i have not the time
20:35.30mwilsondli_: That's a a truly silly reason to do so.
20:35.49thecoolestcowcan someone help me mount my NTFS hda1 drive?
20:36.02greycatthecoolestcow: man mount
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20:36.08dondelelcaro!tell thecoolestcow -about ro-ntfs
20:36.11fken<PROTECTED>
20:36.12martshave you loaded ntfs module
20:36.14dli_fken, do you really need 3D? since you don't have the time, use nv in xorg instead of the nvidia binary
20:36.17thecoolestcowgreycat: i dont understand that
20:36.22thecoolestcowgreycat: i tried
20:36.33abrotmanfken: please don't do that .. writing to NTFS is very dangerous .. don't destroy other's data
20:36.47martstype in 'man mount' into your console window
20:36.57thecoolestcowyes, i know, but i still dont understand...
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20:37.12dondelelcarothecoolestcow: you'll have to explain what you don't understand then.
20:37.15fkendli_>lol thats the true problem dii : i have not the nv driver
20:37.20dondelelcaroabrotman: although, in theory the dangerous operations are disabled.
20:37.33dli_fken: make sure you run xorg
20:37.34fkenabrotman>oh sorry i forgot to change rw in ro for its example
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20:37.42dondelelcaro!+find nv_drv.o
20:37.44dpkgUpdating debian files... please wait.
20:37.45thecoolestcowdondelelcaro: i tried doing mount -t /dev/hda1/ /mnt/hda1/
20:37.50tsuyoshidoes debian support nfsv4?
20:37.51dpkgDebian Search of 'nv_drv.o' (1): (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nv_drv.o) in x11/xserver-xorg.
20:37.58thecoolestcowdondelelcaro: that didnt work, evidently
20:37.58ngmlinuxanyone know if a JVM/JRE for linux 2.x would work with linux 2.6.x?
20:37.59fkendli_>i am running xorg now but i was using xfree86 before
20:38.13dondelelcarothecoolestcow: that won't work at all; you want mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1;
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20:38.21martsI should not think it would
20:38.24dli_fken, if you don't need 3D, nv is the best answer, no more nvidia harassment, it just runs
20:38.28stewngmlinux: it would
20:38.31abrotmandondelelcaro: theory .. i have a theory .. give me two groundhogs and a pile of bubble gum
20:38.32dondelelcarotsuyoshi: your question should really be: "does the kernel support it?"
20:38.35fkendli_>but xorg is very dangerous : it force me to halt my system by crashing
20:38.36ngmlinuxnice, thanks stew
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20:38.47greycatthecoolestcow: /dev/hda1 is not a directory and therefore you cannot put a / after it.
20:38.47stewngmlinux: you may want to /msg dpkg install java
20:38.54dondelelcarotsuyoshi: if it does, then yes. If not, then no.
20:38.54fken<dli_> nv dont work im using vesa
20:38.57slak-howdy
20:39.02dli_fken, then, you might have some hardware issues there
20:39.19fkendli_>i never said i havent problems
20:39.23dli_fken, I would try a memtest86
20:39.34l3mdondelelcaro This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/701
20:39.46fken<dli_>how does it work ?
20:40.06valdyni dont think nv workd w/ new nvidia cards, doesnt work w/ mine.
20:40.10dli_fken, also, make sure nothing is overheat
20:40.11fken<dli_>command not found
20:40.18tsuyoshidondelelcaro: isn't there a userspace server though?
20:40.21dondelelcarol3m: sounds like you don't have build-essential installed or you've munged with your g++ link
20:40.24dli_fken: apt-get install memtest86
20:40.37greycatfken: please stop using <nick> to *address* someone.  most of us see that as *quoting* someone.
20:40.37dondelelcarotsuyoshi: oh, sorry; you said nfs and I read ntfs.
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20:41.27tsuyoshihm.. I guess not
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20:41.29l3mdondelelcaro yeah it was build-essential... i did the first dist-upgrade for about half a year, must have gotten "lost" somehow ;/ Thanks a lot!
20:41.43mwilsonhttp://www.vladstudio.com/wallpaper/?347
20:41.44tsuyoshimaybe I can use kerberos with nfsv3
20:41.45fkendli_ : installed but still command not found
20:41.50mwilson<snicker> Ever feel like that?
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20:42.31dli_fken: memtest86 runs at booting, make sure it's in your grub.conf or lilo.conf?
20:42.37martsAbout the nvidia drivers.  I have the module compiling under 2.6 but it will not install with modprobe.  I'd like to install the driver by compiling it rather than using the apt oneliner.  Is this an option.
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20:42.55fkendli_i havent rebooted
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20:44.03mwilsonmarts: There is no reason to use modprobe.
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20:44.11fkendli_: grub : menu.lst
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20:44.14martsl3m:  I'm not really sure about this m-a tool.
20:44.18mwilsonmarts: If X can't load the driver for itself, then you're not doing it right.
20:44.28dli_fken: I think you should do "update-grub"
20:44.31martsI agree mwilson.
20:44.40rosemaryI downloaded xfce yesterday, then had to uninstall kde packages to use the system as no space left.  Now when I log on I get cli and use startx, but it gives me what I assume is gnome. How do I get to use xfce now.   I tried 'xfce' in the cli but no joy - as user and root.
20:44.46l3mmarts why not? it's the easiest way..
20:44.58fkenmemtest86=true
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20:45.27martscan someone give me the 'one liner' and I'll save it in a file.  I need net access before I go trying it don't I.
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20:45.35dli_rosemary, remove gnome :) or choose your sessions in kdm or gdm
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20:45.38fkendli_:updated
20:45.41mz_workrosemary: startxfce4
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20:45.53l3mmarts "m-a a-i nvidia"
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20:45.53fkenFound kernel: /memtest86.bin
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20:46.07rosemarydli_ it's not giving me the usual log in where I choose the session
20:46.09dli_fken, then, you boot your box with memtest86
20:46.15l3mmarts also known als "module-assistant auto-install nvidia"
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20:46.24martsl3m: I'll need to do an 'apt-get install m-a' first?
20:46.29fkendli_whats will it find ?
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20:46.30stewfken: what kind of errors are you getting that are making you want to run memtest86?
20:46.36l3myes you need the module-assistant package installed
20:46.43dli_rosemary, install gdm or kdm, then, "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" or kdm
20:46.46slak-howdy
20:46.51l3mmarts yes you need the module-assistant package installed
20:46.52fkenstew: i am forced to use vesa drivers
20:47.02stewfken: and you think that is becuase of flaky memory?
20:47.04rosemarymz_work, thanks I'll try that
20:47.13stewfken: what kind of video card?
20:47.18fkenstew: not my thought
20:47.23l3mmarts "apt-get install module-assistant"
20:47.25slak-i got a debian firewall box that also runs dhcp/openvpn/asterisk, right now theres no redundancy, not even raid..what would be the best way to provide high availability for this machine
20:47.30slak-on a budget
20:47.48fkenstew:Geforce 6600 under K8N SLI platinum (SLI desactivated)
20:48.16stewfken: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner
20:48.45stewfken: have you tried the "nv" driver?
20:48.50dli_fken, if it passes memtest86, if should runs smooths with the basic system
20:48.54fkenstew: i even dont have a nv driver usable
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20:49.00abrotmanslak-: at least raid .. but that only works if it's a drive failure .. what happens if the CPU melts ?
20:49.02stewdli_: why do you think he should run memtest86?
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20:49.14slak-abrotman: i dont know mang, maybe a cluster?
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20:49.15slak-linux-HA?
20:49.25dli_stew: he mentioned it crashes randomly
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20:49.35fkenstew: with nv driver i have black screen
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20:49.50stewfken: have you read the x logs?
20:49.57abrotmanslak-: that's another alternative .. many different ideas ..
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20:50.06fkenstew:no i dunno where they are
20:50.10abrotmanhey .. the bots are back!
20:50.15stewfken: if you are having random crashes then you should be running memtest86
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20:50.37dli_fken, Xorg.0.log
20:50.37stewslak-: read ultramonkey.org
20:50.39streunerabrotman: since yesterday
20:50.39fkenstew: xfree said "no driver found" each time i tried
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20:50.52stewfken: are you running xfree or xorg?
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20:51.27fkenstew: hey i am like almost everyone here ; xorg since 2-3 days
20:51.34fkenxfree before
20:51.48abrotmanstreuner: i was biking almost 50km yesterday .. i didn't notice :)
20:51.52stewfken: what does xorg say when you try the nv driver?
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20:51.54mz_workwhen forwarding a port over ssh shold the port on localhost show up under nmap localhost?  i.e. i did: ssh -C -L 4961:localhost:5961 user@ip.add.re.ss so should 'nmap localhost' return port 4961?
20:51.56fkendli_: where is that log file ?
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20:52.07dli_fken: as usual, /var/log
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20:52.27dondelelcarotsuyoshi: yeah, so the kernel supports v4, but it looks like the userspace server doesn't. [But you almost certainly want the kernel server.]
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20:52.38streunerabrotman: biking is healty, seeing bots don't ;-)
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20:52.45abrotmanstreuner: isn't ?
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20:52.56abrotmanstew: i thought i would be dead today .. but i actually feel ok :)
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20:53.01fkenstew: i never tried nv with it ! trying nvidia's one drove me in a wall : black screen every boot... thank god there is a failsafe mode !
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20:53.10streunerabrotman: depends what kind of biking you prefer... :-)
20:53.11dli_fken: I hope you have another computer there, then, you ssh login to your box to test its display
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20:53.16penguinIs there a html chat?
20:53.20greycatmz_work: nmap localhost is not a very useful command.  try lsof -n -i, or netstat -pant
20:53.26greycatmz_work: /msg dpkg open ports
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20:53.38fkenstew:at least xfree was able to let me use the terminal
20:53.43greycatpenguin: <b>no</b>
20:53.59stewfken: uhh, how was xfree letting you use the terminal that xorg is not?
20:54.05penguinAnything close?
20:54.22fkendli_: i dunno how to do what you said and yes i still have my laptop
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20:54.56rosemaryrosemary@limavady:~$ /etc/init.d/gdm
20:54.57rosemaryUsage: /etc/init.d/gdm {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload}
20:54.59nseHello everybody, I'm with a problem, I can't play .mid files anyhow, apparently there's no app to perform this action. I'm running Gnome, Totem have no plugin. What to do
20:55.02dli_fken: sometimes, if the nvidia driver fails, you don't even get correct consoles after X crashes at startup
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20:55.29fkenstew: once xfree crash startx command send back error message ; xorg didnt : i had strange display with full of colours and then black screen
20:55.32dli_fken: you are logging in via ssh from another computer, it's not a problem then
20:55.35rosemarydli_, and gdm is most up to date file or something
20:55.36abrotmanstreuner: i meant the bots
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20:56.01dli_rosemary, gdm allows you to choose your session before login
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20:56.10fkendli_: i even still didnt install any network for now
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20:56.30stewfken: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and try the nv driver
20:56.38rosemarydli_, it simply logged me straight in and i didn't get the chance to choose, as I used to before
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20:57.29fkenAucun serveur X connu pour votre matériel vidéo ; means no xserver known for my video material
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20:57.51fkenshould i force it to use nv ?
20:57.52rosemarydli_, should I try /etc/init.d/gdm start
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20:58.08fkenand anyway i need the 3d
20:58.09tsuyoshiack.. looks like debian doesn't have support for kerberos+nfs
20:58.12nseHello everybody, how to play .mid files in GNOME
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20:58.15nsej #gnome
20:58.15dm1trihi all
20:58.17nsej #gnome/
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20:58.24dli_rosemary, I'm not a gdm expert, but in your /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf, there's auto login, you might disable it first
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20:58.33dm1trifunny question - what release of gnome is in deb3.1?
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20:58.38fkenstew:?
20:58.40SimonRaven2.8 i think
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20:58.47dm1triman - thats old
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20:59.04stewfken: if you need 3d then you need to get the proprietary drivers working
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20:59.11SimonRavendm1tri: if this is simply a workstation, you can run testing (etch)
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20:59.26fkenstew:are the geforce 6600 compatible with nv ?
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20:59.33dm1triSimonRaven: its not hehe
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20:59.46stewfken: afaik, yes
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20:59.50fkenand is my videocard bus correctly configurated ?
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20:59.57stewfken: but i've never owned anything nvidia
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21:00.09blahdeblahHi.  Can anyone recommend a good GUI client for BitTorrent?  I've never used it before.  I use GNOME on Sarge.
21:00.15SimonRaveni have, but i never bought it, it was a garbage find
21:00.19calamarihi
21:00.32dli_blahdeblah, azureus
21:00.34stewblahdeblah: apt-get install bittorrent ; btdownloadcurses blah.torrent
21:00.38fkeni said BUS:PCI0.0.5 or something like that in the xorg.conf
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21:00.42SimonRavenazureus is bloatware
21:01.03tsuyoshibtdownloadgui is what I use.. comes with the bittorrent package
21:01.13dli_SimonRaven, why are you bloating in that way?
21:01.14calamariI'm looking for an interactive x86 assembler for Linux, as similar to MS-DOS debug as possible (where you can assembler, disassembler memory, edit, run, etc).  Anyone know of such a program?
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21:01.23abrotman!info gnome-panel sarge
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21:01.26SimonRavendli_: i'm stuffed ;p
21:01.35dpkggnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 892 kB
21:01.55SimonRavencalamari: you mean gdb?
21:02.05tsuyoshicalamari: closest thing I know of would be gdb... but it can't assemble
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21:02.13blahdeblahdli_, stew, tsuyoshi: thanks - will check out a couple of them
21:02.15calamariSimonRaven: I'm pretty sure gdb doesn't let me assemble
21:02.15fkenBusID           "PCI:5:0:0"
21:02.20tsuyoshicalamari: but you know, it wouldn't be hard to add it to gdb
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21:02.28SimonRavencalamari: no it doesn't
21:02.37SimonRavensee tsuyoshi's comments
21:02.45blahdeblahcalamari: Mmmm!!  MS-DOS debug!  Those were the days.  :-)
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21:02.50abrotmani think they're saying the same thing
21:02.59SimonRaven@ff abrotman
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21:03.09dli_tsuyoshi, why do you need have to write assembly in gdb?
21:03.13calamaritsuyoshi: the thing is, I don't really know 386 asm yet.. I only really am familiar with 8088 :)
21:03.15SimonRaven@ff abrotman
21:03.20SimonRavenwtf
21:03.25SimonRavenravenbird: test2
21:03.44calamariblahdeblah: possibly one of the best programs ever to come out of Microsoft.. lol
21:03.45tsuyoshidli: to kick it oldschool, of course
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21:04.10abrotmanSimonRaven: i'm immune!
21:04.14fkenshould i enable the framebuffer ?
21:04.18blahdeblahcalamari: I remember writing whole applications in debug - none of this source code, high-level language crap!  ;-)
21:04.26Thanatermesis"uba1" its a valid /dev device ? the messages show me this for the usb stick
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21:04.52calamarione thing I guess it'd need to do is create the elf header.. debug didn't have to worry about that
21:04.56tsuyoshihm so there is no kerberized nfs in debian
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21:05.02fken?
21:05.12dli_blahdeblah, my favorite, when fdisk from dos refuses to delete any non-FAT partitions
21:05.16tsuyoshithat's the only reason I would bother with kerberos
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21:05.56abrotman@ff SimonRaven
21:05.56ravenbirdSimonRaven: fartfish
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21:06.22mr_clarkJust did a fresh install of Debian. Doing an apt-get upgrade I get an error about e2fsprogs failing 'due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop'
21:06.23tsuyoshioh I guess I could use afs
21:06.27SimonRaven@ff abrotman
21:06.27ravenbirdabrotman: fartfish
21:06.31SimonRaven:)
21:06.34Noah0504Okay guys, it's time for a newbie (me) to plauge everyone with questions.
21:06.34abrotman!lose SimonRaven
21:06.36mr_clarkDid a quick google search and only found one post that said this was a 'very bad thing'
21:06.36dpkgSimonRaven: You Lose.
21:06.45mr_clarkany idea how to upgrade?
21:06.48tsuyoshimr_clark: try aptitude instead
21:07.07mr_clarktsuyoshi, whats the benefit of using aptitude instead?
21:07.21Noah0504I'm going to do a Net install of Debian 3.1, but I want to know if it's easy to install X.org and Gnome 2.12
21:07.26tsuyoshiit seems to deal with upgrades better
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21:07.44tsuyoshiapt-get install aptitude; aptitude dist-upgrade
21:07.49dli_Noah0504, gnome 2.12 is not in, I think
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21:07.52SimonRaventsuyoshi: nfsv4 in 2.6 kernels, plus nfs-kernel-server.
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21:08.14DeepBhumm.. NFS anyone? how can i make something mounted over /nfs/hd/ be available over a /nfs/ export? /nfs/hd/ appears empty on the client...
21:08.18thingfishvery few distros are going to have gnome 2.12 packages at this early point.
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21:08.32Noah0504Yeah, now that I think of it, I remember reading that it's in the unstable version...But will I be able to install X.org?
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21:08.54Noah0504Ubuntu uses it, and I like it better.
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21:08.58mr_clarktsuyoshi, okay its running.
21:09.09streunerNoah0504: yes
21:09.10GathondDeepB: iirc NFS exports at least in either nfs-user or nfs-kernel does not support exports crossing mount points
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21:09.12SimonRavenDeepB: what about it? make sure your server end works, /etc/exports is correct, and configure /etc/fstab on client. simple
21:09.16dli_Noah0504, I'm using xory in testing
21:09.45DeepBGathond: ok, so it does not work as CIFS for instance
21:10.00mwilsonNoah0504: So run Ubuntu.
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21:10.38GathondDeepB: probably not, if it did I guess they would have called it that:) iirc it is however a differing point between the kernel and user space servers implementation
21:10.52thecoolestcowxmms doesnt like armor for sleep - car underwater :( it crashes every time i try to play it
21:11.01Noah0504haha, but Ubuntu makes it hard for me to do simple things like play MP3s or watch Divx movies.  I really wish they would just include the codecs...
21:11.08Noah0504and not make a big deal about it.
21:11.09rosemarydli_, The /etc/init.d/gdm file looks correct according to what I read.  I ran /etc/init.d/gm restart, and /etc/init.d/gdm reload but nothing changed.  I still only get the text based login and use startx which logs me straight in to gnome
21:11.13abrotmanthecoolestcow: wow .. maybe it's .. corrupt?
21:11.20hellz_hunteri cannot get vsftpd to have uploaded anonymous files to be anything else other than 0600 permissions
21:11.24thecoolestcowabrotman: nah dude, it works fine on windows
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21:11.32hellz_hunteri have file_open_mode at 0777 and anon_umask and local_umask at 0000
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21:11.35streunerNoah0504: just ask a debian question, we are able to help then.
21:11.38abrotmanrosemary: did you setup /etc/X11/default-display-manager or whatever it is ?
21:11.47DeepBGathond: using nfs-kernel here, maybe i should give nfs-user a try?
21:12.15dli_rosemary, you should choose sessions before login
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21:12.25mwilsonNoah0504: Somehow I doubt Ubuntu will ever make it easier for you to be a pirate.
21:12.28GathondNoah0504: who is making a big deal, its implemented thorough copying closed source files, which is presumable in a very dark grey area leagelly, and probably beyond that if you commercially distribute it
21:12.31LuCkYaNhi , anyone know if exist version of symbian linux ?
21:12.41mwilsonNoah0504: OTOT, it's even less likely that Debian will make it easier for you.
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21:12.46stewNoah0504: playing mp3s should be no problem.  creating them might be another
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21:13.00dli_rosemary, if gdm logs you in auto, then, you can disable auto login for at this moment
21:13.03GathondDeepB: I thought is was the other way around to be honest, but its some time ago
21:13.15rosemaryabrotman, no didn't know about it - will have a look
21:13.19megatronxi need a hand here with the euro support...i've installed the euro packages and did export LANG=??? (and the other export) and ran euro-test which didn't display the euro currency...what else do i need to make the euro currency work?
21:13.21FlimFlamManhi. i'm using gnome on sarge - is there a way to have different backgrounds for different virtual desktops?
21:13.38LuCkYaN??
21:13.48SimonRaventhe user space server is unmaintained, and old, but has more features than the kernel one
21:13.51rosemarydli_, I'm not getting a chance to choose
21:13.56DeepBGathond: ok, thanks a lot, really
21:14.16iostreamHi.. I'm configuring a new server (It's a dual xeon..) I'm wondering about what packages to compile, to archive better performance (Currently I'm only thinking about the kernel...)
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21:14.52mwilsoniostream: What would lead you to think you needed to compile any packages at all?
21:14.57mz_workrosemary: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf -> set AutomaticLoginEnable=false
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21:15.17mwilsoniostream: And how did you plan on measuring any performance gain?
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21:15.28iostreammwilson: To get better performance, and in case of the kernel, to configure stuff, not available in the stock images..
21:15.36dli_rosemary, AutomaticLoginEnable=true
21:15.50mwilsoniostream: What "better performance" would that be?
21:15.51iostreammwilson: I'm not planing to measure anything. Just wondering about 'good practices'.
21:16.03dli_rosemary, a line in your gdm.conf, change it to false, and restart gdm
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21:16.15stewiostream: good practice would be to not recompile anything
21:16.25mwilsonNot planning on measuring anything... so you'll do this work, and not be able to quantify any gain.
21:16.26iostreamstew: Not even the kernel?
21:16.45bonez41I run debian 3.1, and dpkg 1.10.28.... if I run apt-get upgrade, I get "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." and then is proceeds to do this "Setting up libapache-mod-perl (1.29.0.3-6sarge1) ... *** Error: libdav.so does not have a corresponding .info file. *** Error: libphp4.so does not have a corresponding .info file. ***Error: mod_ssl.so does not have a corresponding .info file.
21:16.56dondelelcaroiostream: unless you need to make a serious change to the configuration of the default kernel, it's generally not necessary.
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21:17.13iostreammwilson: true, excepect in case of the kernel, I would benefit from the fact that I can choose what extra features I want..
21:17.20dondelelcaroiostream: if you feel that it is, /msg dpkg kp; /msg dpkg kp mantra;
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21:17.39SimonRavenbonez41: run the update already. you don't just run upgrade...
21:17.39mwilsoniostream: And what "features" do you want that aren't in the Debian kernel images?
21:17.42iostreamdondelelcaro: I know how to do it the debian way ;)
21:17.58DiegoEliahello guys....can i have 2 ips using a gateway and 1 ip using another gateway in the same eth ?
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21:18.29tcsetattrcompared to a debian kernel, I'd expect you probably want less features, not more...
21:18.41eeyore-mwilson: for me?  Broadcomm Tigon t3 :-)
21:19.07rosemarydli_, I looked at gdm.conf and that line already says flase
21:19.07steweeyore-: tg3 support is back in the debian kernels now
21:19.10dondelelcaroiostream: then what are you asking about?
21:19.10rosemaryfalse
21:19.13iostreammwilson: As tcsetattr said, but also some sensors stuff etc. I'm not very familiar with what's include in the stock kernel, and what is not.
21:19.14eeyore-stew: thankfully
21:19.14mwilsonHow is the t3 not in the Debian kernel?  I thought all they were doing was removing the firmware?
21:19.37mwilsoniostream: So you don't know what's in the kernel images, and what isn't, but you'll recompile a custom kernel anyway.
21:19.39stewmwilson: no, debian kernel-source had the soure completely removed for a few versions
21:19.42dondelelcarot3 is in the Debian kernel; hell it's even on the install disks. In most cases you don't even need the firmware.
21:19.48iostreamdondelelcaro: If I should compile/customize anything else than the kernel.
21:19.52eeyore-mwilson: i think the driver was missing at one point (at the time i needed it i had to get it from another source)
21:20.01iostreammwilson: That would be correct.
21:20.08mwilsoniostream: That would be clueless.
21:20.09dondelelcaroiostream: the answer to that is almost always no; when it is, it's generally time to file a wishlist bug.
21:20.15dli_rosemary, you might configure gdm by running "gdmsetup"
21:20.20iostreamdondelelcaro: okay.
21:20.21dondelelcaros/it is/it isn't/
21:20.24dracmwilson: tg3?
21:20.34mwilsondrac: Yes, what about it?
21:20.40dracmwilson: It's back in 2.6.12, they fixed the firmware license.
21:20.46iostreammwilson: Well, grsecurity isn't in the stock kernels, though I have not decided if I want to use it yet, as is alot of other stuff, I imagine..
21:21.10eeyore-drac: ok, good then
21:21.28eeyore-drac: was using 2.6.11-ck for a while
21:21.29drac(Sorry, jumped in middle of discussion)
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21:21.41mwilsoniostream: Then when you've actually descided on a desired feature set, you can perhaps evaluate what you need to do.
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21:22.10maderoi've a toshiba laptop and i need to use my sata cdrom, i've just loaded libata,sd_mod, sr_mod, do I need to load something else?
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21:22.23iostreammwilson: Heh, okay, I was just looking for advice.. What about security patches, are they backported to the stock kernels?
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21:22.48stewiostream: yes
21:22.53mwilsonNo,you were looking for someone to validate what you'd already decided to do.
21:22.59OctalthorpeIs there any way to reduce the time it takes Firefox to load when it's first run?
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21:23.13mwilsonOctalthorpe: Not exit it.
21:23.15tcsetattrln -s w3m firefox
21:23.26iostreammwilson: No, I had already decided on the kernel thing, true, but I was asking about other programs/libs etc
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21:23.38mr_clarktsuyoshi, getting exactly the same error with aptitude.
21:24.10phoggiostream: ask gentoo guys. They have strong opinions about what makes the biggest bottlenecks.
21:24.18mr_clarkJust did a fresh install of Debian. Doing an 'apt-get upgrade' or 'aptitude dist-upgrade' I get an error about e2fsprogs failing 'due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop'
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21:24.34mwilsonphogg: And almost universally, they have no idea what they're talking aobut.
21:24.41mwilsons/aobut/about/
21:24.58phoggmwilson: but opinions they have, and he wants opinions
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21:25.17alusthe latest apt-get I did changed the fonts in X, so that xterm's titlebar text is actually too tall for the sawfish titlebar it's in
21:25.25eeyore-octalthorpe: you can take the Windows route and preload it in memory, but that's really faking it
21:25.26alussince I've never changed that before, how can I fix this?
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21:25.44rosemarydli_, it doesn't offer the choice of WM, and appears to have settings as I want
21:25.50dondelelcaromr_clark: you need to first upgrade to sarge, then upgrade to unstable.
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21:26.05dondelelcaroif this is surprising, you shouldn't be running testing or unstable.
21:26.07Yuliahi all
21:26.20Thanatermesisafter install UDEV in testing, the command "alsaconf" doesn't exist... this is normal ?
21:26.23dli_rosemary, you disable auto login in gdmsetup, and restart gdm, then, you can choose your session
21:26.38eeyore-Thanatermesis: udev doesn't have anything to do with alsaconf
21:26.39phoggThanatermesis: only if you also removed alsa
21:26.42mwilsonThanatermesis: The one has nothing to do with the other.
21:26.43eeyore-Thanatermesis: look elsewhere
21:26.56rosemarydli_, auto login has always been disabled
21:27.00Yuliaanybody knows if Linux portatil 2.6.8-2-386 kernel image support webcam ? How can i check it. dmesg and lsmod does not give me information enought
21:27.03Yuliathx u.
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21:27.32dli_rosemary, and gdm still logs you in without asking a passwd?
21:27.44LightVisionhi everyone
21:27.58chealYulia: portatil?
21:28.10LightVisionwhat exactly does apt-get autoclean and apt-get clean do?
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21:28.17phoggLightVision: man apt-get
21:28.21Yuliacheal, yeah! laptop, yes
21:28.23chealLightVision: what man apt-get says they do
21:28.27Thanatermesiseeyore- mwilson sure ? If im install "alsa-utils" (have alsaconf) the package udev are removed :/
21:28.44chealYulia: is this a laptop-specific kernel image?
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21:29.02YuliaCheal: it is not
21:29.31rosemarydli_, if I logout of the session it takes me a text with my user name, so I use startx to get back, and this takes me straight to gnome desktop.  Previously I got a litle window, entered user name and password, and chose session eg gnome, icewm, kde
21:29.35chealYulia: what's Linux portatil?
21:29.55phoggThanatermesis: That's odd, because neither conflicts with the other AFAICT
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21:30.16Thanatermesisfucking udev...
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21:30.31stew!conflicts alsa-utils testing
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21:30.44eeyore-Thanatermesis: before you swear at the packages, find out why they conflict.
21:30.48dli_rosemary, sorry, close your X, "logout" or just Clt-Alt-Backspace, then, do "/etc/init.d/X11/gdm start"
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21:31.08phoggThanatermesis: I have alsa stuff installed and an install of udev would not remove it
21:31.18LightVisionwhen I do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"  I get a question asking me: "Select the XFree86 server modules that should be loaded by default."  What exactly does this mean?
21:31.32penguinHow do you view the source in a frame using Mozilla?
21:31.36phoggThanatermesis: what are your sources set to? If you say sid I'm going to beat you witha a stick.
21:31.37eeyore-Thanatermesis: you are using testing, right?  so ... you are willing to find the problems, right?  if you're gonna swear and give up, might you be better suited to RHEL, debian stable, ubuntu, etc.?
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21:31.42eeyore-Thanatermesis: or even windowse
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21:32.09stewpenguin: iirc: right click on the frame, and under the frame submenu there is view source
21:32.11eeyore-penguin: give up and use elinks, easy
21:32.14phoggeeyore-: A yes, I do enjoy looking at my potatoes through my windowse.
21:32.16ThanatermesisConflicts: udev (<< 0.060), alsa-base (<< 1.0.9b-3) <--- its very simple, eeyore- phogg
21:32.20rosemarydli_, don't need password
21:32.39eeyore-Thanatermesis: ok, so use *hold*, then.  it's very simple, too.
21:32.53dpkgalsa-utils: udev (<< 0.060), alsa-base (<< 1.0.9b-3)
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21:33.06stew!info udev testing
21:33.07mz_workrosemary: you can't use 'startx' or you bypass gdm the login manager
21:33.11phoggThanatermesis: and where is that udev package coming from? apt-cache policy udev
21:33.12dpkgudev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.056-3 (etch), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 684 kB
21:33.18penguinI am uisng epiphany  Right click does nothing
21:33.36Thanatermesisnot is the good way eeyore- , Im don't know this conflict
21:33.40LightVisionwhen I run kernel 2.6 my sound works, but under 2,4 no sound is found!  alsaconf doesnt pick up the sound etither!  any solution?
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21:33.50mwilsonpenguin: If you're using Epiphany, whyinhell are you asking about Mozcrap?
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21:33.51Yuliacheal:sorry?
21:33.57stewThanatermesis: looks like the two cannot currently co-exist in etch until a newer udev gets into etch
21:33.58rosemarymz_work, startxfce gives me no such command or something
21:34.13phoggmwilson: probably he means epiphany-browser
21:34.21Thanatermesisphogg all from ftp.us.debian.org
21:34.23mwilsonphogg: So?
21:34.38mz_workrosemary: well that's how you start xfce4 from cli - use CTRL+ALT+BKSPC then as root issue: /etc/init.d/gdm start
21:34.39phoggmwilson: gecko engine. Menus are probably all XUL
21:34.40rosemarymz_work, so what do I use then?
21:34.46dli_rosemary, use "/etc/init.d/gdm start", not startx, or startanything
21:34.48mwilsonphogg: Again, so?
21:34.49Thanatermesisbarjks, udev its a very high shit
21:34.58mwilsonphogg: You have a point, somewhere... make it, please?
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21:35.35penguinRight click works for Mozilla,  Epiphany it doesnt
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21:36.00phoggmwilson: asking about how to do it in Mozilla will probably give the same answer for many things as it would if you asked about the actual browser. It's not smart, but it makes sense.
21:36.11penguinWhat the hell is Epiphany anyway?
21:36.25mwilsonEpiphany is Gnome's suck-ass browser.
21:36.27phoggpenguin: I'll bet GNOME peoplke disabled it because it's too advanced a feature for users to understand
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21:36.38LightVisionmwilson:  can you write a better one? :)
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21:36.44mwilsonLightVision: Do I need to?
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21:36.56phoggpenguin: and anyway, try the view or edit mennu for the source. If not, try view-source:URL
21:36.58LightVisionmwilson:  dont knock something unless you can provide something better
21:37.04dli_penguin, I don't understand it either, why do people takes the wonderful mozilla and makes an ugly epiphany based on it?
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21:37.13mwilsonLightVision: I can.  Mozilla itself.
21:37.14phoggLightVision: Firefox. Galeon.
21:37.15dondelelcarough, not this conversation again.
21:37.15bonez41SimonRaven, I did run apt-get update first..and then apt-get upgrade my question....is why apt-get would show nothing to either remove or install, yet proceed to load other items?
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21:37.21cta22oi
21:37.30mwilsondondelelcaro: Sorry.
21:37.52cta22alguem ai tem msn
21:38.03LightVisionmwilson:  are you claiming you wrote Mozilla?
21:38.05dondelelcaromwilson: not just you there... both halfs were getting seriously deja vu...
21:38.11dondelelcaroLightVision: yeesh, drop it already.
21:38.17LightVisionmwilson:  dont knock something unless you can write something better
21:38.23LightVisiondondelelcaro: ok
21:38.36SimonRavenbonez41: first, you still have things that need configuring, 2) the problem you pasted was fixed months ago 3) this is why i said update first 3) see the BTS for the fixes
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21:38.46LightVisiondondelelcaro: sorry
21:38.52mwilsonLightVision: Did I claim I wrote Mozilla?  No?  I didn't think so.
21:38.58phoggLightVision: if you ad to be able to duplicate superior items in order to criticize items there would be no art critics or political commentators.
21:39.10phoggActually, that does sound pretty good.
21:39.15kregi've installed raidtools2 and mdadam, however i don't have a mkraid tool.  do i need one?
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21:39.39mwilsonkreg: No, apparently consensus is that you should use the inferior mdadm.
21:39.53mwilsonkreg: raidtools2 is going away.
21:40.05kurumin_hi to all
21:40.21kreghow do i tell mdadm that i have hdb1 and hdd1 ready to be made into a raid0, mounted, and abused?
21:40.30mwilsonman mdadm
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21:40.38toshI upgraded some packages and now xdm always loads gnome instead of xfce4, although the default-window-manager file is pointed to xdm and I have an .xinitrc file in my homedir that says exec /usr/bin/xfce4-session... what gives?
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21:41.02phoggLightVision: consider: (a) Windows sucks! Linux is better. (b) Did you write Linux? (a) No. (b) Then your argument is invalid.
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21:41.13phoggLightVision: where is the falw in this reasoning?
21:41.17atila_sendilI am really sorry to bother you all but, I see here as a parent forum to us ubuntu. so can anyone tell me what to do if I am banned from #ubuntu ? sorry for disturbing ...
21:41.20mwilsontosh: xdm couldn't care less about your ~/.xinitrc file... never has.
21:41.32kregi take it, that the software raid howto is out of date?
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21:41.42toshmwilson but when I login, X is started and has to read out my configfile, no?
21:41.44LightVisionatila_sendil:  do what I do, change over to Debian
21:41.59mwilsontosh: No.
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21:42.10UnWorldlyyou shouldns ask that here atila_sendil, the kids here are known to enjoy being smartasses
21:42.11phoggLightVision: We're all very impressed by your dedication. Now don't criticize others for critcizing something they can't make a better version of unless you can completely replace the person doing the criticizing.
21:42.17atila_sendilLightVision, :-) thank you for the advice; I also think from time to time :-)
21:42.22toshmwilson then what is the sequence of events that occurs when I login?
21:42.24stewatila_sendil: you need to speak to the #ubuntu channel operators
21:42.31stewphogg: please take this discussion elsewhere
21:42.32mwilsontosh: As I said, xdm couldn't care less about your ~/.xinitrc.  It cares about ~/.xsession, as it's documented that it does.
21:42.33atila_sendilUnWorldly, well they deserve to :-)
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21:42.43phoggstew: Okay.
21:42.50atila_sendilstew, and how can I contact them ?
21:42.57stewatila_sendil: /msg
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21:43.20atila_sendilstew : and how to find names (ne complete n00b) :-P
21:43.53stewatila_sendil: /msg whomever banned you;  i do not know who the ubuntu operators are
21:44.19LightVisionatila_sendil:  why not try Debian?
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21:44.26atila_sendilstew : I was not online for some days; had no problem before; so hoe can I learn who banned me ?
21:44.33LightVisionatila_sendil: you will love Debian if you try it
21:44.50stewatila_sendil: i don't know
21:44.57atila_sendilLightVision, I will try debian; in fact at work I will set up a server with it. the Rock Stable Debian :-)
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21:45.11LightVisionatila_sendil:  cool :)
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21:45.35atila_sendilLightVision, need some good examples to persuade the executives for a switch :-)
21:45.50dotCOMmieatila_sendil: try a clue by 4
21:45.53dotCOMmied:
21:45.58bonez41SimonRaven, one last question..what's the BTS?
21:46.10atila_sendildotCOMmie, clue by 4 ?
21:46.22SimonRaven@bts
21:46.23phoggbonez41: /msg dpkg bts
21:46.23ravenbirdhmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename . Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug
21:46.35stewatila_sendil: ahhh, you are from turkey, that probably explains it. there have been a lot of compromised machines from turkey connecting and sending spam.  who knows, #ubuntu just might have banned all of turkey by now
21:47.12LightVisionatila_sendil:  sounds good ;)
21:47.12atila_sendilstew : same conclusion after I googled a bit ... well; let me ask the questions here than (I guess I may ?)
21:47.18dotCOMmieatila_sendil: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/C/clue-by-four.html
21:47.24mwilsonatila_sendil: You won't get any usable answers.
21:47.26stewatila_sendil: no, we do not support ubuntu here
21:47.35mwilsonatila_sendil: This is #debian, not #ubuntu.
21:48.00atila_sendilhmmm ; OK I do not mean to cause any disturbances :-)
21:48.03LightVisionatila_sendil:  use the ubuntu forums
21:48.16LightVisionatila_sendil:  they may be helpful for you
21:48.28LightVisionatila_sendil:  all the best wishes to you
21:48.37dondelelcaroatila_sendil: you may try /msg Seveas; to get a +e stuck in for you
21:48.49atila_sendilthanks people :-)
21:48.57LightVisionatila_sendil:  all the best :)
21:49.03dondelelcaroatila_sendil: you will need to register first, though... /msg nickserv help register
21:49.38mwilsonMan, sometimes I *really* wish ext2/3 had a usable unerase.
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21:50.01atila_sendilsee you people; next time with questions on Debian :-) bye
21:50.03dondelelcaromwilson: well, recover is more usable than some other filesystems
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21:50.53odineset up x
21:50.59valdyn!
21:51.02mwilsondondelelcaro: Never had good luck recovering anything on ext2/3, or any other FS for that matter.  I always end up restoring from backup... but that doesn't do you any good if you haven't backed it up yet.
21:51.48LightVisiondondelelcaro: when I do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"  I get a question asking me: "Select the XFree86 server modules that should be loaded by default."  What exactly does this option do?
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21:53.28bockmani'm trying to install subversion and apt wants to uninstall my kernel, what should i do?
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21:54.11valdynLightVision: those modules extend X features, normally you dont mess with that.
21:54.16mwilsonbockman: Unlikely.
21:54.23mfrischDAMM synched in 7.784 sec Who's here...everyone.
21:54.30NeverDreamdondelelcaro: si quieres encontrar el caro, necesita irse al #redhat o un otro :)
21:54.33bockmanmwilson, would you like me to paste the exact output?
21:54.39bockman(into pastebin or something)
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21:55.03mwilsonbockman: Do as you like.
21:55.32bockmantry it out: http://pastebin.com/361984
21:55.51LightVisionvaldyn: ok
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21:56.22viperwhy does samba automaticly want to open printcap ??? I don`t use a printer at this station how can I get that out ?
21:56.25mfrischI ripped my first dvd and its not good quality, does anyone know a good link or something so I can learn it better.  I used acidrip, divx mp3.
21:56.26stewbockman: what version of debian are you running?
21:56.31NeverDreams/quieres/quiere/
21:56.38NeverDreamperdón
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21:56.59bockmanstew, 3.1 unstable
21:57.05dondelelcaroviper: because you've set up the configuration to share printers.
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21:57.32mwilsonbockman: initrd-tools is being removed, which is removing the kernel images.
21:57.38viperdondelelcaro and what if I didn`t ?
21:57.48mwilson!conflicts initrd-tools unstable
21:57.51dpkginitrd-tools: does not conflict with any other package
21:57.54mwilsonhm
21:58.03valdynmfrisch: you probably just didnt set your encoding quality to max ( 2-pass  etc.. )
21:58.05stewlibc6 maybe
21:58.18mwilson!depends initrd-tools
21:58.21dpkginitrd-tools: depends on coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.1.9) | stat (>= 3.0), cpio, cramfsprogs (>= 1.1-4), dash, util-linux (>= 2.11b-3)
21:58.28mwilson!depends initrd-tools unstable
21:58.30valdynmfrisch: also, xvid is supposed to give better quality than divx iirc.
21:58.31dpkginitrd-tools: depends on coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.1.9) | stat (>= 3.0), cpio, cramfsprogs (>= 1.1-4), dash, util-linux (>= 2.11b-3)
21:58.32stew!conflicts libc6 unstable
21:58.36dpkglibc6: strace (<< 4.0-0), libnss-db (<= 2.2-6.1.1), timezone, timezones, gconv-modules, libtricks, libc6-doc, libc5 (<< 5.4.33-7), libpthread0 (<< 0.7-10), libc6-bin, libwcsmbs, apt (<< 0.3.0), libglib1.2 (<< 1.2.1-2), netkit-rpc, wine (<< 0.0.20031118-1), cyrus-imapd (<< 1.5.19-15), initrd-tools (<< 0.1.79), e2fsprogs (<< 1.35-7)
21:58.45mwilsonAh
21:58.48mwilsonThere it is.
21:59.02mfrischvaldyn ok does that affect the size? What is the best sound to use? I want 700 mb files.
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21:59.13stewbockman: you need to upgrade initrd-tools at the same time, it looks like
21:59.20mwilsonstew: Good catch.
21:59.23bockmanstew, ok i'll try
21:59.24valdynmfrisch: 700mb file will never be good quality for a whole movie
21:59.25mfrischvaldyn xvid cool
21:59.55bockmanstew, good call, thanks a lot
21:59.59stew!info initrd-tools stable
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22:00.03dpkginitrd-tools: (tools to create initrd image for prepackaged Linux kernel), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.1.81.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 176 kB
22:00.11stewhow the heck does he have an older initrd-tools than that?
22:00.28mwilsonYou didn't ask him what version he DID have.
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22:00.41bockmani have 0.1.77
22:00.52bockmanwell, had.
22:00.54mwilsonbockman: How did you get to unstable?
22:00.55mfrischvaldyn THANKS!
22:01.10dondelelcaroviper: less /etc/samba/smb.conf; see 'load printers = yes' and associated options.
22:01.21bockmanmwilson, idk. 1. install sarge. 2. dist-upgrade to unstable. 3. go to #debian (now)
22:01.33mwilsonbockman: Not possible.
22:01.34dondelelcarobockman: right, you didn't actually install sarge though
22:01.42bockmandondelelcaro, i beg to differ
22:01.57bockmani installed sarge a while ago from one of the test install cds
22:01.59dondelelcarobockman: if you had installed sarge, you would have initrd-tools 0.1.81.1
22:02.12stewsounds like install woody, upgrade to testing, don't upgrade for a long time then move partially to unstable
22:02.20dondelelcarobockman: those are not sarge; they are just interim testing snapshots.
22:02.21mwilsonOh, you mean you installed Sarge from an image when Sarge was still testing.
22:02.29bockmanmwilson, yes
22:02.33valdyn!requant
22:02.46bockman'cause i'm bleeding edge hardcore like
22:02.52mwilsonSo what you REALLY mean is that you didn't install Sarge, as dondelelcaro said.
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22:03.12bockmanmwilson, it said sarge on the cd...whatever
22:03.17peqis there a way to flush the local dns resolver cache?  i need this box to pick up a new DNS record asap but it still has it cached :(
22:03.23stewbockman: however in this case it looks like you are bleeding from the trailing edge, not from the leading edge like most
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22:03.48dondelelcarobockman: that's the release that will eventually be known as sarge... in either case, the solution is to first upgrade to what is actually sarge, then attempt to upgrade to unstable.
22:03.49bockmanstew, apparently i go bleeding edge and then stop everything for a long time :p
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22:04.04bockmandondelelcaro, my mistake.
22:04.16bockmanwho knew subversion would be so much trouble... ;)
22:04.48kregi'm going for raid0.  i have two disc partitioned with type "linux raid autodect" and mdadm is installed and apparently running for somereason.  how do i build a raid0 with my two ready to go discs using mdadam?  man mdadm has been reviewed
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22:05.08mwilsonkreg: Then you don't have to ask, do you?
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22:05.20kregmwilson, dude don't be a smartass
22:05.37kregis there a mdadm howto?
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22:05.48valdyn!raid
22:05.48dpkg[raid] Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have  See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid>
22:06.01rnNSomeone knows a thing for I can receive my emails at my hotmail account on linux?
22:06.03valdyn!tell kreg -about software raid
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22:06.30valdynkreg: just skip 'raidtools' or 'raidtools2', thats obsolete
22:06.30mwilsonkreg: All these examples in the man page, and you want me to believe that you've read it.
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22:06.55mwilsonFeh... mdadm makes difficult what mkraid made easy.  It's the Linux way.
22:07.09valdynits easy enough really
22:07.14green_earzkreg: and here is a howto for the debian install and a software raid > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/
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22:07.23sgeigerbotJust curious: does anyone know of some user-oriented (easy-to-use) software for layout (and printing) of digital photos?
22:07.42mwilsonDefine "layout".
22:07.51valdynand this is directly from the manpage..:mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hd[ac]1
22:07.53orchidrnN: apt-cache search hotmail
22:07.54mwilsonJust about anything can print a jpeg.
22:08.11mwilsonvaldyn: <shhhh> He's reviewed that already.
22:08.25valdynyea, how they lie
22:08.35kregvaldyn, my install of mdadm is running.  is the dameon supposed to be off before creating this new arrary?
22:08.39comfrey_how long does it usually take from time submitted to the ftpmasters to live in the repository?
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22:08.56valdynkreg: that daemon does what?
22:08.59valdynkreg: guess
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22:09.15mwilsonvaldyn: I'm not sure what makes mdadm daemonize itself.
22:09.15kregbuild arrarys
22:09.16comfrey_i am thinking something like "when they damn feel like it"
22:09.28comfrey_yes?
22:09.53valdynmwilson: just logging
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22:10.00rutski89what are some "newegg.com like" sites?
22:10.05kregmy prob with the howto and mdadm page, is that no where does it tell me to fdisk type "fd"
22:10.07valdynmwilson: nothing to do with raidingitself
22:10.08dondelelcarorutski89: just visit pricewatch.com
22:10.25mwilsonvaldyn: I certainly don't have a copy of it running on this box.
22:10.28rutski89dondelelcaro: ah, heh, I forgot about them :-p oops
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22:10.54mwilsonkreg: Except that it does in the HOWTO, of course.  You forget, you're talking to people who've actually READ it.
22:10.55valdynmwilson: sure , its not needed.
22:11.19green_earzkreg: you can use the debian installer to build the mdmad raid
22:11.27kregmwilson, please show me where.  stop accousing me of not reading it word for word.
22:11.34valdynmwilson: mdadm -F is running for him, just a monitoring daemon.
22:12.01mwilsonvaldyn: Depends... if you don't do it, then you *have* to let the initscript run, else the array doesn't start.  If you're going to boot from it, it has to be autodetect, so that the kernel will start it up.
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22:12.23mwilsonkreg: How else would you have read it, if not word-for-word.
22:12.24kregman, raid used to be so easy
22:12.33valdynmwilson: ah, probably, i dont boot from raid
22:12.43mwilsonvaldyn: Neither do I.
22:12.46eeyore-so .... has anyone done raid with device mapper?  is that what "mdadm" does/
22:12.47green_earzkreg: then use the installer then
22:12.51kregmwilson, i have not read it word for word.  so stop wasting breath claiming it.  however i have reviewed it as i said.
22:12.57kregthere's an installer?
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22:13.07kregoh the debian built in one
22:13.20kregguess i'm not used to depending on it.
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22:13.26green_earzkreg: its the thing you use to install debian on the box
22:13.28mwilsoneeyore-: No, mdadm rolls all the raidtools into one binary, and pastes a baroque command-line interface over the top of it.
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22:13.31valdynkreg: in case you missed that convo, dont worry about that daemon, leave it alone.
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22:13.40kregvaldyn, thanks.
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22:13.51useruseris there a standalone program that lets me choose a color, like the gimp's palette editor?
22:14.07kregvaldyn, no i got it.  just sorting through the rtfm spam
22:14.25LightVisionanyone ever used transcode?  if so, how can you get transcode to output mpeg files for VideoCD format?
22:14.27odinehrmm.... so im running unstable... ive been told u can use the savage driver for xorg for now, but when i login the kde logo comes up and halts on system services loading... anyone know why?
22:14.39eeyore-mwilson: i've been out of the raid scene for a while ... quick summary please: what's the "best" (i know, subjective, loaded) way to do software-raid on linux these days?  my raid at home hasn't been updated from raidtools2/2.6.<n> (early) in over a year.
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22:14.55peqeeyore-, mdadm is the way to go
22:15.11green_earzeeyore-: http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/
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22:15.22eeyore-thanks :)
22:15.28_SD_Keo|LAPPY|hello
22:15.29mwilsoneeyore-: Neither has mine.  The difference is about creating the array, not running the array.  Despite being crap, mdadm won because it does things the entire raidtools suite did not.
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22:15.56mwilsoneeyore-: In one sense, mdadm is a good thing, because it sets the stupid-filter higher.
22:15.56peqmwilson, why is mdadm crap? i find it pretty nice
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22:16.09green_earznp
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22:16.18beardy_SWAT_: Not you
22:16.27beardy..
22:16.32Oliver41hello, I just installed Debian and It didnt detect every monitor resopution , so I cant set resolution 1280x1024 , what to do ?
22:16.34beardy!beer dondelelcaro
22:17.20dotCOMmieis anyone running nvidia+xorg+nvidia-glx?
22:17.22valdynOliver41: 'detect'? you picked that resulution in the appropriate dialogue?
22:17.23mwilsoneeyore-: Unfortunately, raidtools is no longer maintained.
22:17.32mwilson!anyone
22:17.32dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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22:17.40Oliver41valdyn maximum resolution is 800x600
22:17.41odinehrmm.... so im running unstable... ive been told u can use the savage driver for xorg for now, but when i login the kde logo comes up and halts on system services loading... anyone know why?
22:17.43megatronxhey can anyone help me use the euro currency (sign) in debian sarge? i've installed the euro packages and did read some faq's, but was not successful...i don' t know what else i need to do...
22:17.45m2dotCOMmie: I am, it's working.
22:17.58valdynOliver41: did you pick higher in the dialogue?
22:18.07valdynOliver41: or could you not pick a higher one?
22:18.15dotCOMmieI am having problems with nvidia-glx
22:18.17Oliver41valdyn in what dialog ??
22:18.23valdyn!drxx Oliver41
22:18.23dpkgOliver41: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]   (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
22:18.24dotCOMmiem2 unstable?
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22:18.32m2dotCOMmie: yup
22:18.39dotCOMmieah maybe thats why
22:18.41eeyore-green_earz: oh how cute!  the screenshot has smiley face, and some squiggly icons for the disk partitioning step :)  not immediately obvious what the squiggly lines are for, though
22:18.41mwilsondotCOMmie: Do we get to guess, or will you actually tell someone what problem you think you're having?
22:18.45Yuliawich group is sond one? for include users?
22:18.49Oliver41valdyn I will try...
22:18.55m2dotCOMmie: you are running the sarge backport?
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22:19.04dotCOMmiemwilson I described in in detail few hours ago
22:19.06kreg"dpkg --reconfigure mdadm" call the installer for mdadm?
22:19.07dondelelcaroYulia: audio
22:19.27valdynkreg: dpkg-reconfigure
22:19.35eeyore-mwilson: might give it a go when i build another array :-)
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22:19.49mwilsonkreg: Is there some particular reason you keep inventing command lines at random instead of doing what you've been told to do?
22:19.55dotCOMmieI wonder if anyone has seen this problem: on startup xorg dies without any usefull info (logs show it was last loading glx). After I rm /lib/modules/2.6.., reinstall kernel, reboot, reinstall nvidia driver, /etc/init.d/kdm restart and voila x.org works. now if you reboot xorg doesnt work again same symptom as before
22:20.04kregmwilson, go outside play with a ball.
22:20.04mwilsonkreg: valdyn gave you the exact command line, you ignored him.
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22:20.52mwilsondotCOMmie: And we told you to go and reproduce the error without the proprietary binary-only driver.  Did you?
22:20.52valdyndotCOMmie: "echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules" and >> is *not* a typo
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22:20.59green_earzeeyore-: and once the your raid is built you can apt-get kernel image and it will not brake the raid. when i built the raid manually with mdmad and try to change the kerenl image the raid would brake. its a very good howto all the best
22:21.07ice_1963can some one tell me how to install limewire in gnome?
22:21.10TwistedEmotions!seen deadcat
22:21.11dpkgdeadcat is currently on #debian (2d 19h 30m 26s).  Has said a total of 25254 messages.  Is idling for 17h 37m 7s
22:21.17Guerinice_1963: don't bother
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22:21.51odineim running unstable.. just installed actually last night... xorg+nvidia im getting video but after i login it gets stuck at system services.. checking the xorg log file shows font renderer errors, and client 4 rejected from local host.. can anyone help
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22:22.24ice_1963is there somthing better then limewire?
22:22.34LightVisionI get: [transcode] ERROR: The 'mpeg2enc' program could not be found.   Any solution for this please?
22:22.34valdynodine: we need the real errors, grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log might give that
22:22.34NeverDreambittorent
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22:22.48kregmwilson, the command you refer to is for a raid 1, and not created by the debian installer.  the latter, was how to use the debian installer, which apparetnly is only for turring on and off the monitor, but not for creating the arrary.
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22:23.13valdynodine: s/XFree86.0.log/xorg.0.log/ i guess
22:23.15beardyLightVision: Install the thing that is wanted?
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22:23.19odinevaldyn i can paste them in flood then...
22:23.24dotCOMmiemwilson: and others how well does the non proprietary driver work
22:23.30valdynodine: for example
22:23.45valdynodine: how did you install the nvidia driver?
22:24.04odinevaldyn the one liner from apt
22:24.15LightVisionbeardy:  i tried:  says: E: Couldn't find package mpeg2enc
22:24.20rutski89how can I find out what speed my cd+rw dive is?
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22:24.28jinx_hey guys - i've got a bit of an issue after dist-upgrading to unstable... Everything works fine, but i've got a few packages that, although installed, show up as being held back when doing apt-get upgrade, and tell me they're unavailable when trying to remove/reinstall them.  These packages are:  libxml2 ntp-server passwd perl python-apt zlib1g.   Any ideas?
22:24.44LightVisionbeardy:  are you able to convert AVI to mepg for VideoCD format?
22:25.01LightVisionrutski89:  my k3b reports that
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22:25.57dotCOMmierutski89: dmesg+google
22:25.57rutski89LightVision: heh, I don't really wan't to install that just to find out the speed :-p
22:25.57rutski89dotCOMmie: lol
22:25.57rutski89dotCOMmie: i suppose :) Thanks
22:25.57dotCOMmierutski89: but, as LightVision, said k3b also tells you
22:25.59rutski89yea
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22:26.15zinosatsomething's eating up ALL my disk space: how can I find out what it is?
22:26.21green_earzrutski89: install   hdparm  and hdparm -i /dev/hdx   for you drives info,   if i remember correctly
22:26.28streunerzinosat: du -h
22:26.40zinosatstreuner, ok, bu agains what?
22:26.41TwistedEmotionsLightVision: right now you cant install the newest versions of kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kommander...
22:27.03TwistedEmotionsLightVision: if you hold back those packages you can keep k3b...
22:27.09zinosatstreuner, du -h / ?
22:27.12LightVisiondoes anyone know how I can convert AVI to mpeg format read for VideoCD?
22:27.21streunerzinosat: man du
22:27.34TwistedEmotionsLightVision: basically for some reason of another kde and k3b dont get alone
22:27.36LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  I installed all those packages, and k3b still works as normal for me
22:27.42Guerinzinosat: du --all --max-depth 1 |sort -n; will give you one line for every item in ., sorted from smallest to largest
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22:27.57Guerinzinosat: run it in /; then change to the biggest dir, then run it again, etc.
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22:28.07LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  I did an apt-get upgrade and k3b still works
22:28.11TwistedEmotionsLightVision: I though you just said k3b doesnt work?
22:28.23LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  when did I ever say that? lol
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22:28.31zinosatGuerin, thanx for the tip
22:28.42timgoh0LightVision: AVI is a container format that may consist of multiple compression formats. Give ffmepg a whirl and see if it works.
22:28.46TwistedEmotionsoh well.. I cant update those packages... they remove k3b...
22:29.13valdynTwistedEmotions: C++ abi transition isnt over yet
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22:29.36mz_workLightVision: avidemux
22:29.47TwistedEmotionsvaldyn: I dont mind ;) I dont use kde so...
22:30.18ice_1963i use wmaker
22:31.13LightVisionmz_work:  ok ill try avidemux. thanks
22:31.15TwistedEmotionsAnyone here use hydra?
22:31.31LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  are you using aptitude to try to update those packages?
22:31.52TwistedEmotionsLightVision: no.. apt-get upgrade
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22:32.15LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  because aptitude wants to remove stuff that apt-get doesnt for some weird reason for me
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22:32.38TwistedEmotionsLightVision: what does it want you to remove?
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22:32.50LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  when I did apt-get upgrade, it didnt say anything about wanting to remove k3b
22:33.00LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  nothing!  wants to remove 0 packages
22:33.04TwistedEmotionsLightVision: I'm preety sure it does...
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22:33.21TwistedEmotionsLightVision: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
22:33.22LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  well in my case, it removed nothing!  but im using Sarge
22:33.40TwistedEmotionsLightVision: Sarge is different... we were talking about unstable
22:33.44brittTwistedEmotions: isnt it apt-get dist-upgrade
22:33.53LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  did both of those with success
22:34.06LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  i also did a apt-get dist-upgrade
22:34.42TwistedEmotionsLightVision: What distrib are you using?
22:34.54green_earzLightVision: run aptitude update  and see what aptitude upgrade -s  say after
22:34.59drivamgr2005Hi all. I wonder if I can ask for your help.  I am currently a user of Mandriva LE2005, wishing to change to a better distro. A friend of mine has recommended Debian. Is there anything I need to know which is different from what I currently use?
22:35.09brittwhy is my liode real slow? who else uses linode?
22:35.28LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  every morning I run apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get update & apt-get upgrade.  And it never removed k3b
22:35.31drivamgr2005eg: different commands, different window manager, etc...
22:35.43LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  im using Sarge
22:35.55TwistedEmotionsLightVision: dont need to use dist-upgrade everyday..
22:36.04ice_1963how can i ad backports to my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
22:36.07LightVisiongreen_earz:  I dont use aptitude because aptitude wants to remove my whole kde
22:36.13valdyndrivamgr2005: debian has different maintenance commands, what software ( like window managers ), debian probably has all that mandrake has optionally and alot more
22:36.20LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  why not?
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22:37.01LightVisiongreen_earz:  when I use aptitude it claims kde, kppp. kpgpg etc are no lonmger needed and wants to remove them all :P  go figure :)  but apt-get never reports such things
22:37.04TwistedEmotionsLightVision: only need to use distrib when upgrading distributions.
22:37.04Guerin!tell drivamgr2005 about why debian
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22:37.13Guerin!tell drivamgr2005 about intall guide
22:37.21Guerin!tell drivamgr2005 about install guide
22:37.23LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  you mean from Sarge to Etch?
22:37.33Guerindrivamgr2005: enjoy :)
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22:37.44LightVisionGuerin:  heeh ;)
22:37.44TwistedEmotionsLightVision: yeah.. I mean whatever distrib upgrade..
22:37.46drivamgr2005thanks guerin. I am just opening that stuff up now/
22:38.04LightVisionTwistedEmotions:  ok, didnt know that :)
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22:38.35GuerinLightVision: purge aptitude and reinstall it
22:38.39GuerinLightVision: known bug
22:39.12valdynice_1963: see http://www.backports.org/
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22:39.47drivamgr2005Holy Cow!!!! I have a feeling I am gonna switch up fairly sharpish.  That looks brilliant Guerin.
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22:41.21drivamgr2005So I can dl this off the internet and just get the rest while i am installing??? Cool!
22:41.42Guerindrivamgr2005: snazzy, huh.
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22:42.49drivamgr2005Better than downloading 1.8 gig of ISO's and messing around for 3 hours with k3b trying to get them to burn...
22:43.11mwilsonWhy in the world would you bother with k3b to burn an ISO?
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22:43.40drivamgr2005Because I have only been using linux for 9 months. That was how i was told to burn the iso's to disk.
22:43.51drivamgr2005I dont know about any other way.
22:44.07Guerink3b is a perfectly reasonable tool to burn cds
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22:45.18BlackJudas|TWLProbably a FAQ but is aptitude supposed to be removed?
22:45.32drivamgr2005right. I better rig up my burner and get ready for a very fast install. I have 3mb broadband by cable, so this should not take long.
22:45.41mwilsonBlackJudas|TWL: We can only hope.
22:45.54BlackJudas|TWLYep :)
22:45.59stewBlackJudas|TWL: no, why?
22:46.11zinosatGuerin, 454216641 Sep 13 00:30 messages
22:46.35BlackJudas|TWLapt-get dist-upgrade lists aptitiude as a package to be removed, so does aptitude dist-upgrade ... which I find somewhat amusing.
22:46.43zinosatGuerin, pretty big, isn't it :)
22:46.55kregafter reboot, mdadm did not restart the arrary and the entry for /dev/md0 i put in fstab failed
22:46.57mwilsonBlackJudas|TWL: Oh, is that all you meant.
22:47.12dondelelcaroBlackJudas|TWL: right, and that's because there's a new version of apt out right now; wait until aptitude gets rebuilt.
22:47.14BlackJudas|TWLYes, I'm guessing I asked the wrong question?
22:47.33dondelelcaro(or a new version of aptitude gets uploaded)
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22:48.10syphoxhey... i need some help with deb and raid...
22:48.17BlackJudas|TWLdondelelcaro: makes sense, thanks... so *ahem* what's the debian "recommended" way?  My colleagues keep insisting that apt-get is so old school and innacurate..
22:48.18syphoxi have some drives on a raid controller... but i can't find them :|
22:48.25drivamgr2005right i have gotta go for a short short. bbiab
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22:48.53timgoh0syphox: Hardware RAID controller? It should show up as a single disk. Check your configuration for the controller.
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22:49.13syphoxi think..
22:49.16syphoxSep 12 20:33:03 sgn-wessun kernel: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
22:49.21syphoxSep 12 20:33:03 sgn-wessun kernel:     ide2: BM-DMA at 0xd800-0xd807, BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio
22:49.21syphoxSep 12 20:33:03 sgn-wessun kernel:     ide3: BM-DMA at 0xd808-0xd80f, BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio
22:49.23syphoxetc...
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22:49.33syphoxnot sure how to access them... are they the drives ?
22:49.44dondelelcaroBlackJudas|TWL: are you using unstable?
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22:50.24BlackJudas|TWLdondelelcaro: unfortuantely :)
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22:50.35kregi've sucessfully created a raid0 with mdadm, and formated the block.  it works.  however there is nothing here that i can see that will reactivate the arrary after i reboot.
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22:50.58timgoh0syphox: There should be some keystroke you can hit during boot to configure the controller. See if it's set up properly.
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22:51.18syphoxi only have ssh access
22:51.20dondelelcaroBlackJudas|TWL: then make sure you've updated recently, since the most recent version of apt should provide the same version of libapt that aptitude depends upon
22:51.28dondelelcaro!provides apt
22:51.29dpkgapt: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10
22:51.31dondelelcaro!depends aptitude
22:51.32dpkgaptitude: depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libsigc++-1.2-5c2, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1)
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22:52.05zinosatsince alot of disk space is taken insie /var by syslog, messages ,kern.log, which is the right way to clean them up?
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22:52.28BlackJudas|TWLgreat, yeah I've been in etch land for a while on amd64 and I'm just not feeling it.  I wanted to go back to bleeding-edge.
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22:52.56dondelelcarozinosat: logrotate is the proper method
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22:53.17mwilsonHow are all these people ending up without logrotate installed?
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22:54.05jkernI wonder if such boxes are not turned on when the cron jobs are to be run.  If so, then maybe install anacron.
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22:54.26stewzinosat: what version fo debian are you running?
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22:54.43mwilsonAny box that isn't on all the time should have anacron on it.
22:54.57deadcatdondelelcaro: i got those chars to display with printf "\033[)0"
22:55.18gentoothreefourwhats the next release name for debian
22:55.18EvilSporkMani just used module-assistant to compile and install the openafs module and i am getting "Invalid module format" when I try to load the module. does m-a not detect which version of gcc to use?
22:55.21zinosatstew, sarge
22:55.26dondelelcarogentoothreefour: etch
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22:56.19stewzinosat: do you have the logrotate package installed?
22:56.21kregfor autodection of a raid durring boot time to work, it says i need to have created the arrary with a persistent superblock.  how do i check if this was done?
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22:56.37zinosatstew,yes
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22:56.50kregboth disks were made by fdis and type "fd", then after the arrary was created, i mkfs.ext3'd /dev/md0
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22:57.57morkehey people I just instaled debian and I cant set resolution 1280x1024 , i tried everything (xf86config) but nothing can be changed. In "screen resize & rotate" the maximum resolution is 800x600 , do you know what to do ?
22:58.14stewzinosat: is your machine usually powered off at 06:25?
22:58.25jkernzinosat, do you have anacron installed -- it is for machines that are not run 24/7.
22:58.39drcmorke: what kind of graphics card do you have?
22:58.48morkedrc nvidia
22:58.57zinosatstew, always
22:58.59drcmorke: memory more than 16mb?
22:59.07morkedrc 128MB
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22:59.16stewzinosat: then see what jkern is telling you
22:59.27jkernzinosat, do you have anacron installed -- it is for machines that are not run 24/7.
22:59.33zinosatjkern, I guess so
22:59.35drcmorke: ok, just wanted to check that. :) so it isn't the problem (with 1mb of memory you can use only 800x600x16bit maX)
22:59.41LightVisionGuerin:  so you mean apt-get remove aptitude ?
22:59.55jkernzinosat, dpkg -s anacron
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23:00.16morkedrc o thanks , but how to set somethin to 1280x1024 or some else resolution
23:00.20jkernzinosat, what makes you think that the logs are not being cleaned up?
23:00.21zinosatjkern, I was about to ask: it's not installed
23:00.32zinosatjkern, they're huge
23:00.37drcmorke: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
23:00.38jkernzinosat, then install it :)
23:00.44drcmorke: if you have xfree86 not x.org
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23:00.54stewthats not going to work, he used xf86config
23:01.01morkedpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
23:01.19drcstew: why not?
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23:01.31stewmorke: /msg dpkg xmd5 ; then /msg dpkg drxx
23:01.34jkernzinosat, after install anacron, run anacron -s and wait
23:01.36zinosatjkern, done, thanx. how can I force it to run (and possibly clean)
23:01.38stewdrc: /msg dpkg xmd5
23:01.46morkestew thanks
23:01.51jkernzinosat, after install anacron, run anacron -s and wait
23:01.56zinosatjkern, wow, I should ask you about my ffuture...
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23:02.11jkernzinosat, looks very bright!
23:02.39zinosatjkern, :)
23:02.41drcstew: on one box I tried xf86config and after that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it worked. but I can't know. good night everyone
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23:03.37yacyachow do i get those kool debian themes from
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23:05.01j4cboi just upgraded my sid install to kde3.4, and kioslaves seems to be broken... known problem, or did i miss something?
23:05.06zinosatjkern, "/dev/hda8             11534432  10958976         0 100% /" still...
23:05.13j4cboi asked #debian-kde but no response there
23:05.39LightVisioncan you use compressed AVI files as VideoCD format?
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23:05.51mz_workj4cbo: lots of problems w/ kde in sid afaik
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23:06.03thingfishman, Debian is so good.
23:06.06riddleboxLightVision: you can but I forget the app to do it
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23:06.11LightVisionj4cbo:  why did you need tp upgrade kde? if its not broken, dont try to fix it :)
23:06.17jkernzinosat, anacron -s will start the process of running all the cron jobs -- one at a time so your machine is not overloaded -- it may take a while if you have not been getting the cron jobs done.
23:06.23LightVisionriddlebox:  if you remember, pls tell me
23:06.33j4cboLightVision: i run sid, i like to live dangerously :)
23:06.35riddleboxyeah no prob, maybe acidrip?
23:07.01jkernzinosat, the file system reserves some space for root's processes to run
23:07.04j4cboi wasn't expecting everything to be perfect, just wondering if anyone knew of a fix
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23:07.06riddleboxhrmm is kernel 2.6.8 the latest kernel in apt?
23:07.15psych0is happy
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23:07.48EdLinriddlebox: it's the latest kernel in stable, there's been some noise about upgrading it to a more secure version, however.
23:07.53thingfish2.6.8-etc is the latest for sarge, if that's what you mean.
23:07.53zinosatjkern, ok, cool
23:07.58stewriddlebox: 2.6.8-2 is the latest for stable; 2.6.12-1 is the lastest for unstable
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23:08.29jkernzinosat, ls -l /etc/cron*  -- there is some work to be done.
23:08.32LightVisionj4cbo:  :)
23:08.44stewerr its 2.6.12-6 isn't it
23:08.52SkrottoAfter I've created a fat32 partition with cfdisk, do I need to do anything else or is it ready for use?
23:09.06thecoolestcowwhy isn't it good to log in as root at the main screen, and why is it such an annoyance to try to do anything as root
23:09.21CaT[tm]skrotto: you ned to mkfs.msdos it
23:09.30thingfishhow is it an annoyance to open a terminal and su to root?
23:09.45kregonce i create an arrary, do i need to save a conf file for mdadm to use later?
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23:09.50SkrottoCaT[tm]: okay :)
23:09.58EdLinthecoolestcow: you can run sudo and reduce the "annoyance" factor to some extent.
23:10.06SkrottoCaT[tm]: not .vfat?
23:10.10jkern!root
23:10.10dpkgIt has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306
23:10.13CaT[tm]vfat then :)
23:10.23thecoolestcowthingfish and edlin: 1) terminal isnt as nice as the file browser, nor do i know enough commands 2) i still cant figure out su or sudo
23:10.43EdLin!fundamentals thecoolestcow
23:10.48jkernthecoolestcow, do a /msg dpkg root  for some answers about running as root
23:11.11EdLingrr
23:11.16thecoolestcownice EdLin
23:11.23mwilsonIf you can't figure out su/sudo, you really have no business being root at all on the box.
23:11.37thecoolestcowmwilson: thanks.
23:11.55mwilsonTruth hurts.
23:11.57thecoolestcowmwilson: i'm a flippin noob at linux, i'm still trying
23:12.03thecoolestcowhey, at least i didnt give up
23:12.06EdLinthecoolestcow: rute.sf.net
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23:12.15thecoolestcowEdLin: whats that
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23:12.45EdLinthecoolestcow: if you can't figure out how to access a web page, then maybe you should ebay your computer and take up another hobby.
23:12.57factordoes anyone run two video cards in xinerama mode with an AMD chipset? if so what do I have to set in the bios to get it to work?
23:12.57thingfishthecoolestcow: it seems difficult at first, but after a while, you'll learn and see that it is often by far the fastest way to do things (command line).
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23:13.18thecoolestcowedLin: hey! it's not my fault i got a 404
23:13.25mwilsoneBay would require him to be able to access a web page, so maybe he should just toss it in the trash.
23:13.26thecoolestcowi wasnt sure if it was an irc channel
23:13.28stewfactor: you shouldn't need to do anything in the bios
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23:13.37thecoolestcowmwilson i'm gonna stab you.
23:13.42thecoolestcowno offense
23:13.47stewthecoolestcow: use /ignore
23:13.51thecoolestcowk
23:13.53mwilsonOoooh, I'm so afraid.
23:14.20thingfishthecoolestcow: mwilson specializes in giving people grief; ignore him.
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23:14.29thingfishmost everyone else does.
23:14.29thecoolestcowyeah, i did, thanks
23:14.34syphoxdoes anyone know howto setup ata raid ?
23:14.44EdLinthecoolestcow: darn, it used to be a very thorough intro to Linux, now its offline. Sorry.
23:14.58thecoolestcowEdLin: :( oh well.
23:15.11EdLinthecoolestcow: try qref.sf.net, I think that's still out there.
23:15.12mwilsonthingfish: <shrug> Things are what they are.  If he can't figure out 'su', he really has no business pretending to be an admin.
23:15.14factorstew:it worked fine on my intel box, but switched over to AMD and only one can be used at a time.
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23:15.22egrubIn they debian woody is possible to be compiled kernel-2.6.13?
23:15.28mwilsonegrub: No.
23:15.30stewegrub: no
23:15.34egrub:(
23:15.39thecoolestcowEdLin: yeah, it worked. cool. thanks.
23:15.56stewegrub: if you want a 2.6 kernel you should upgrade to sarge (which is the current stable release)
23:16.03riddleboxmwilson:you can pull down the source and install it though?
23:16.06egrubOkey
23:16.14thecoolestcowthat site, qref.sf.net, should be this channel's topic...
23:16.22mwilsonriddlebox: You can?
23:16.55nkuttler!tell egrub about woody 2.6
23:16.55stewriddlebox: not with woody you cannot
23:17.04riddleboxmwilson: really why not?
23:17.07riddleboxor stew
23:17.22stewriddlebox: woody's compiler will not compile the current 2.6 sourcecode
23:17.43riddleboxhrmm how do I know what version of debian I am running then?
23:17.45LightVisionanyone know how to convert AVI to mpeg ready for VideoCD?
23:17.57nkuttlerLightVision: mencoder?
23:17.59mwilsonAnd even if it did, you wouldn't have any of the necessary support packages when you were done.
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23:18.54thingfishriddlebox: cat /etc/debian_version
23:18.58LightVisionnkuttler:  mencoder does it?
23:18.59j4cbofound the kde problem
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23:19.09LightVisionj4cbo:  welll done! :)
23:19.16j4cbothe trick is "rm -r /var/tmp/kdecache-(username)"
23:19.21kregall i've done today was upgrade the size of hard drives that run my raid0.  i know my kernel can autodetec raids.  i've got a working raid0 with the new bigger hard drives now.  however /dev/md0 is not re-created each time i reboot.  any ideas?
23:19.30riddleboxthingfish: mine just says 3.1
23:19.31j4cbosome database wasn't being regenerated probably i guess
23:19.44thingfishriddlebox: that's all it's supposed to say.
23:19.44EdLinriddlebox: then you're running sarge
23:19.47stewriddlebox: that is probably sarge
23:19.52syphoxdoes anyone know howto setup ata raid ?
23:20.07riddleboxlol ok
23:20.14EdLin!lol
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23:20.14dpkglol stands for Lamer On Line. Everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a Knoppix user.
23:20.16nkuttlersyphox: what part of it do you not understand?
23:20.21Stx(part
23:20.23kregsyphox, i've been trying, however there seems to be conflict between the software raid howto and the debian norm.
23:20.23StxErr.
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23:20.32LightVisionj4cbo: clever boy :)
23:20.32thingfishI knew it, some idiot had to go and do the lol thing.
23:20.33riddleboxman
23:20.46syphoxi don't know where to start..
23:20.49syphoxi see the drives..
23:20.55syphoxin /var/log/messages
23:20.57yacyac_hii all ... how do i get all those kool themes of debian ?
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23:21.01syphox<PROTECTED>
23:21.03j4cbomight be good to add that to dpkg's kde3.4 message
23:21.06syphox<PROTECTED>
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23:21.17syphoxbut i have no idea how to set them up?
23:21.24riddleboxdo you guys have any wireless G cards running?
23:21.30nkuttlersyphox: google raid howto?
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23:21.42nkuttlerriddlebox: is that a poll?
23:21.45syphoxi'm trying
23:21.46LightVisionnkuttler: mencoder-586 1:1.0-pre7-0.0 <-- whats this?
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23:21.57riddleboxI am just asking if anyone has anygoing
23:22.17mwilsonAnd once you find someone who does, what then?
23:22.30nkuttlerLightVision: i have no idea if mencoder does what you want, but it has an extensive man page
23:22.38peterSriddlebox: get to the point.  you don't care if we have that or not, you have some *other* questoin you'd like to ask.  just ask it already.
23:22.38syphoxcat: /proc/mdstat: No such file or directory
23:22.39riddleboxI want to see what cards they are using
23:22.41jkernsyphox, Do you want to know if it is possible?
23:22.46syphoxso i'm stuck right away...
23:22.47syphoxyes pls :)
23:22.50LightVisionnkuttler:  no it doesnt convert AVI to VideoCD format
23:23.00nkuttlerLightVision: good to know
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23:23.03riddleboxno I want to know so I can buy one that I know will work
23:23.05LightVisionI want to convert AVI to VideoCD format.  Any ideas anyone?
23:23.13riddleboxgeez
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23:23.25nomedhi all
23:23.38mwilsonSo we spent 5 minutes beating out of you the question you actually wanted to ask.
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23:23.44nomeddo you know how i can check for brocken packages from a console?
23:23.44GuerinLightVision: i mean apt-get remove --purge aptitude
23:23.59Guerinnomed: aptitude -f install
23:24.20LightVisionGuerin:  how is that command different from apt-get remove aptitude ?
23:24.23nomedbut if i want just to see a list of them is it possible?
23:24.28riddleboxso I want to buy a wireless G card, and was wondering if anyone here has one, and if they have gotten it to work
23:24.37GuerinLightVision: it has --purge in it
23:24.44EdLinLightVision: man apt-get
23:25.16nkuttlerriddlebox: prism chipset should be supported... google is your friend
23:25.16LightVisionGuerin:  so how does purge do anything differntly?  it just means its deleted, right?
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23:25.33GuerinLightVision: see EdLin's eminently wise advice
23:25.34LightVisionGuerin:  whats tasksel? aptitude wants to remove it
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23:25.47GuerinLightVision: apt-cache show tasksel
23:26.20riddleboxnkuttler:I have been searching but I havent found anything really saying I got this working for sure
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23:26.46nkuttlerriddlebox: prism54.org, there are others
23:26.46stewriddlebox: prism54 has the best free linux support.  intel2200s work fine IME but require non-free software
23:27.04dj28where can i download the default debian mysql configuration file? i've accidentally deleted mine
23:27.13jkernriddlebox, generally one needs to know what chipset your wireless card is using and then see if the kerned has a module or driver to use it.
23:27.14riddleboxok, I have seen good things about ndiswrapper too
23:27.26nkuttlerriddlebox: ?
23:27.33stewriddlebox: most people consider ndiswrapper a very bad thing
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23:27.41riddleboxman he is here as well
23:27.55riddleboxok nevermind then
23:27.55DoppelGangerevery channel i am not banned from riddlebox
23:27.56stewdj28: you can purge mysql-server and reinstall it, or look at the example configs in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/examples
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23:28.02dj28stew: thanks
23:28.11LightVisionGuerin:  man apt-get only says: Use  purge  instead  of remove for anything that would be removed.!  Anything more you can tell me about it?
23:28.14peterSLightVision: if you don't know what tasksel is, you don't need it
23:28.15epswhat is a good program for managing iptables?
23:28.21riddleboxmental note, become op in more channels
23:28.28LightVisionpeterS:  ok :)
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23:28.43factor}bablefish translate english gernam
23:28.44factor}RSS vote 1
23:29.01peterSriddlebox: on sane irc networks "become op" is something you don't get much control of yourself, you have to convince other people that you're worth it
23:29.19LightVisionman apt-get only says: Use  purge  instead  of remove for anything that would be removed.!  Anything more someone can tell me about --purge please?
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23:29.21riddleboxyes I know the way to get that status
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23:29.36DoppelGangerpeterS: hes not worth it he eh
23:29.40nomed--purge should remove config files
23:29.55peterSwhat I mean is, it's not something you can put on a todo list
23:30.03stewLightVision: /msg dpkg purge
23:30.14jkern<PROTECTED>
23:30.17peterSexcept on anarchist irc networks where it's a matter of having the right scripts and bandwidth
23:30.29LightVision<PROTECTED>
23:30.33LightVisionoops
23:31.05LightVisionok it seems I can use apt-get remove --purge when removing everything :)
23:31.12peterSLightVision: yes
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23:31.33LightVisionpeterS:  good to know because I have never used --purge before when removing anything
23:31.40jkernLightVision, embarrassing eh
23:32.01LightVisionjkern:  no, for im still learning, this is only my 3rd week using linux.
23:32.40LightVisionjkern:  only people with a poor and low self-esteem get embarassed.
23:32.52jkernLightVision, I keep pasting the leading space into the channel -- doh!
23:32.53thingfishbravo for LightVision.
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23:33.59LightVisionthingfish:  thanks :)
23:34.00jkernLightVision, I hope that is not true.
23:34.32LightVisionjkern:  its true and I am qualified to say.  Im a psychologist, counsellor etc
23:34.40thingfishthe idea is, one makes a mistake, but one keeps going ahead in spite of it all.
23:34.44jkernLightVision, I thought you were responding to my mistake by the way.
23:34.58LightVisionthingfish:  its called persistence :)  and all winners have it ;)
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23:35.04thingfishnice
23:35.05EdLinLightVision: for a PhD you sure have bad spelling
23:35.19Guerina psychologist needn't have a PhD
23:35.22syuusukemaybe just bad typing skills ;)
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23:35.32Guerinit's not the same as a psychiatrist
23:35.35thingfishyeah you can have an MA and still sort of be a psychologist.
23:35.37jkernLightVision, I hope your qualifications include doubting some wisdom
23:35.44thingfishjust not a clinical one.
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23:35.45LightVisionEdLin:  im using irc, and also when using sms, i use particular grammar and words
23:35.47Guerinwhich, in any case, doesn't have a PhD, but a MD
23:35.57LightVisionEdLin:  you must be new to irc if you dont know about that :)
23:36.09LightVisionjkern:  an open mind is important
23:36.10EdLinGuerin: well, you can also have a BS degree, BS is something he surely has got.
23:36.18thingfishpsychiatrists have MD; clinical psychologists have PhD.
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23:36.30EdLinor a PsyD
23:36.32GuerinEdLin: not necessarily at all.
23:36.34LightVisionjkern:  How wonderful that we have met with a paradox. Now we have some hope of making progress. ;)
23:36.39thingfishMD plus of course psychiatry residency and all that.
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23:37.34thingfish!tell me about electroshock
23:37.43thingfishhehe
23:37.44LightVisionEdLin:  hehe, who said a psychologist has a PhD :)  you should learn more before you make comments like that ;)
23:37.48EdLin!lobotomize LightVision
23:38.07EdLinphoey
23:38.10LightVision!hug Edlin
23:38.15morkehow to set monitor to refrashe rate which is not listed in "screen resize & ....." or some else monitor manager ?
23:38.19EdLin!shoot LightVision
23:38.25thingfishdpkg needs a psychology degree.
23:38.31LightVisionthingfish:  hehe ;)
23:38.45LightVisionthingfish:  :)
23:38.52thingfish:)
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23:39.56thingfishI actually used FC4 for a while earlier today.  It was awful.
23:40.14EdLinthingfish: I can't believe that the Fedora folks think yum is better than apt.
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23:40.28thingfishEdLin: but they do, they do. :(
23:40.35duken3dwill the netinst CD image fetch the latest packages?
23:40.38thingfishit's so sad.
23:40.42LightVisionEdLin:  whats the difference between Yum and apt. any ideas?
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23:40.54thingfishLightVision: quality, for one thing.
23:40.57Guerin!drxx morke
23:40.58dpkgmorke: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]   (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
23:41.00LightVisionthingfish:  ok
23:41.05EdLinLightVision: apt doesn't have to go through half a dozen mirrors to grab a package,  that is if it doesn't give up first.
23:41.07nkuttlerduken3d: the latest stable packages, yes
23:41.07streunerduken3d: sarge
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23:41.15GuerinLightVision: yum isn't in debian/
23:41.18Guerinfor a start
23:41.22streuneryum?
23:41.25abrotmanand end
23:41.27LightVisionthingfish:  I tried Fedora once for 3 days.  didnt fancy it myself to be honest.  I do love Debian however ;)
23:41.38LightVisionEdLin:  ah ok
23:41.51Langly1Can you have dhcpd and dhcp3-server on the same system, or will they conflict with eachother?
23:41.53thingfishLightVision: well, Debian is as good as GNU/Linux gets, so good choice.
23:42.04LightVisionGuerin:  good point!  if yum was so good, Debian would be using it!  :)  good point
23:42.12LightVisionthingfish:  agreed :)  and thanks
23:42.18thingfishreally, once you've tried Debian, I don't see how you can be satisfied with anything else.
23:42.36nkuttlerLangly1: apt-cache show package | grep Conflict
23:42.41LightVisionstreuner: yum is debians apt.  but not as high quality
23:42.49abrotmanyum is not in debian .. end of story
23:42.56LightVisionstreuner:  sorry I didnt say that right :P
23:42.59thingfishI mean, you try this other crap, and nothing works, bugs here, bugs there...in Debian, everything just fricking works.
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23:43.10jjazzAnybody know off hand the hotkey combo to lock the screen in gnome?
23:43.11LightVisionstreuner: yum is to fedora what apt is to debian.  but not as high quality
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23:43.29thingfishif yum ever gets into debian, then Jesus' coming back is like tomorrow.
23:43.33LightVisionstreuner:  hope that made sense, for I have no idea what I just said :P
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23:43.55thingfishI mean, let the rpm-ites have their trash.
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23:44.37abrotmanwho knows what /usr/sbin/vyum is ?
23:44.43LightVisionI been googling for 2 hours, but no success.  Anyone know a way to convert AVI to VideoCD format?
23:44.51GuerinLightVision: doom9.org does
23:44.58Guerinvideocd, eew
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23:45.07Guerinway to lose quality and gain filesize
23:45.27LightVisionGuerin: agreed, but thats what im stuck with :)
23:45.34GuerinLightVision: no, yum is rather different from apt
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23:45.41LightVisionGuerin:  ok
23:45.41GuerinLightVision: but why? You have a computer...
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23:45.48LightVisionGuerin:  no dvd writer
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23:45.58LightVisionGuerin:  but a big screen tv
23:45.59Guerinso?
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23:46.01abrotmanwhy not send her to #linux or #fedora so someone can explain yum to her ?
23:46.05LightVisionupstairs
23:46.11LightVisionand 12 seats for friends
23:46.32Guerinit's still unclear why you can't play them on your computer
23:46.36uglywhy would I be unable to blank a DVD+RW?  I'm using the 'dvd+rw-format -blank /dev/dvd' command, but it errors with "4.7GB DVD+RW media detected. / illegal command-line option for this media.," where the options I have are to "force" or "lead-out"
23:46.38streunerabrotman: it was me...
23:46.38Guerinin avi format
23:46.46Langly1hmm I can't get Xchat to connect to efnet
23:46.49abrotmanstreuner: you what ?
23:46.53GuerinLightVision: that's a blessing.
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23:46.57GuerinLangly1: ^^^
23:47.03streunerabrotman: i asked what 'yum' is
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23:47.21nkuttlerLightVision: apt-cache search vcd
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23:48.14LightVisionGuerin:  its ok I worked out the command to do it: transcode -i clip1.avi -x af6 -k -V -J dilyuvmmx,dnr -C 3 -y mpeg -F v,4 -E 44100 -b 224 -o result
23:48.30abrotmanstreuner: your update manager
23:48.34LightVisionnkuttler:  thanks but I worked it out using transcode :)
23:48.36Guerinyellowdog
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23:49.34thingfishyellowdog updater, modified
23:49.57uglynm
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23:50.07thingfishoh, now I'm thinking about G5 macs...
23:50.13thingfishdammit
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23:50.31thingfishah, who gives a hoot about them anyway.
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23:50.50nkuttlerthingfish: people who have one?
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23:51.26thingfishnkuttler: well I suppose that would be a legitimate class of people.
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23:52.50abrotmanthingfish: get an IBM
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23:53.58morkeplease , does somebody know where to plase MODELINE ? In which file ? I want to set that for monitor refrash rate an resolution ????
23:53.58thingfishabrotman: I think my next purchase will be AMD.
23:54.04abrotman64?
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23:54.07thingfishyes
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23:54.48nkuttlermorke: why don't you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and tell it the values?
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23:55.16thingfishI'm afraid I still do some windows gaming (flight sim 2004) and AMD processors test real well in gaming.
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23:56.04thingfishI'm stuck where I am, though, for quite a while to come.
23:56.17morkenkuttler I tried that many thimes , but it can do that , so I can have combination 1280x1024 @75HZ , only 60HZ :(
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23:56.36morkenkuttler I tried that many thimes , but it can do that , so I canT have combination 1280x1024 @75HZ , only 60HZ :(
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23:57.03thingfishalthough really, when you see on irc all the people having problems with AMD64 and linux...
23:57.53nkuttlermorke: it belongs in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
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23:58.17mikaelI would like three term's to be open when I startx. Where do I put 'xterm' commands -- .xinitrc?
23:58.30nkuttlermikael: ~/.xsession
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23:59.34mikaelnkuttler: ty. what would be syntax like for it?
23:59.59morkenkuttler but , do you know how (manualy) to set refrashe rate an resolution in some file ?

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