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00:00.10nkuttlermikael: i'd write a script and call that
00:00.24lispydevice (hd0) /dev/discs/disc0/disc -> root (hd0,0) -> setup (hd0) <-- this line hangs forever
00:00.26mikaelnkuttler: hrmm... isn't there a cleaner way?
00:00.32kamarajuIs there any command to know what packages "apt-get --download-only dist-upgrade" will download? How can I get the list without downloading the packages? I tried the --simulate option and it does not work.
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00:00.58nkuttlermikael: i think that's clean, let's you reuse it later in your x session
00:01.16Guerinmikael: man xsession
00:01.17nkuttlermikael: and you can debug it without restarting x :)
00:01.24mikaelnkuttler: ok. ty.
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00:01.48nkuttlermorke: what do you mean?
00:01.56cddesjarwhat kind of software do i need to allow my ethernet card to work?  i know it's driver is built into the kernel
00:02.02cddesjari installed dhcp
00:02.04cddesjaranything else?
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00:02.16Guerincddesjar: man interfaces
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00:02.27toresbehey guys
00:02.28mz_workkamaraju: apt won't download or install the pkgs until you tell it to
00:02.29nkuttlercddesjar: dhcp is a dhcp server
00:02.51toresbeAnyone here know the difference between /dev/sda and /dev/rsda?
00:02.57cddesjari remember installing something before that said it was from the internet software consortium
00:03.14mwilsonWhat does the kernel documentation say the difference is?
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00:03.46toresbemwilson: sda is scsi disk a, rsda is raw scsi disk a
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00:03.51kamarajumz_work: That is true. How will I know the list of packagaes that it will download when I execute the dist-upgrade command?
00:03.53morkenkuttler I JUST WANT TO SET REFRASH RATE TO 75HZ at 1280x1024 ,and I cant to that with xf86config , pkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 d , or other else tools, so I must do that manualy in some file, but I dont know what to add and where !?
00:03.55toresbemwilson: And I'm wondering if it's the difference
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00:04.12Guerinmorke: why can't you do it in drxx?
00:04.23nkuttlermorke: ah. i told you which file. try http://www.dkfz-heidelberg.de/spec/linux/modeline/
00:04.24toresbemorke: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4  has horiz and vert params
00:04.30Guerinmorke: don't tell me it doesn't give you the option; you can enter refresh rates manually.
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00:04.45jason^how do i create a "font string" that looks like this: -*-andale mono-medium-*-*-*-9-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
00:04.45mwilsontoresbe: What major number do you think is assigned to this rsda?
00:04.50mwilsonjason^: You just did.
00:05.02jason^well is there a gui program for it?
00:05.14Guerinjason^: xfontsel
00:05.14nkuttlerjason^: try xfontsel
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00:05.19toresbemwilson: I dunno. I'm just wondering what the difference between raw and not raw sda is
00:05.21mwilsonWhy would you need one?
00:05.33toresbemwilson: I don't know, tbh
00:05.35mwilsontoresbe: You're the one who thinks rsda even exists.
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00:05.48mwilsontoresbe: So what major number is assigned to it?
00:05.58toresbemwilson: I don't know, I don't have it on my puter yet
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00:06.11debian-sanIs there a better way to stop a xserver started with startx than to kill the process?
00:06.28cddesjarwith dhcp installed all i need to be is connected to an ethernet cable and my internet should fire up, right?
00:06.40morkeGuerin how to start drxx ??
00:06.41nkuttlerdebian-san: tell your wm to exit? define better.
00:06.41toresbemwilson: I don't know if it's a BSDism
00:06.45toresbemwilson: I've been googling.
00:06.48deepspacedebiansan, ctrl-alt-delete doesnt work?
00:07.01Guerin!drxx morke
00:07.02dpkgmorke: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]   (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
00:07.04toresbemwilson: and a friend told me I should use /dev/rsda
00:07.07mwilsoncddesjar: No, as you've been told repeatedly, dhcp is a dhcp *server*, not a client.
00:07.13debian-sannkuttler, better : less brutal than kill.
00:07.28abrotmanork?
00:07.50cddesjarrepeatedly?  oh yeah you mean once
00:07.55toresbemwilson: Anyway, what I'm trying to accomplish is to image a 300 meg disk onto a 2GB one
00:07.57cddesjarthat's repeatedly all right
00:08.03nkuttlercddesjar: however, you _have_ been told
00:08.23toresbemwilson: I do: dd if=/dev/sda of=nd-hd-img bs=1M
00:08.25morkenkuttler so, when I calculate modeline , in which part of XF86Config-4 should I add ??
00:08.30debian-sandeepspace, No, it doesn't.
00:08.35cddesjaryou guys spend more time telling off people here than helping them
00:08.36Guerintoresbe: why image?
00:08.37cddesjarlol
00:08.44toresbeswitch harddrives, and do dd if=nd-hd-img of=/dev/sda bs=1M
00:08.48Guerincddesjar: that's patently bullshit
00:08.49nkuttlermorke: i haven't done that in the last years, google it
00:09.01Guerinmorke: look in the file.
00:09.07nkuttlercddesjar: ask a question, stop whining
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00:09.12deepspacedebian-san, It sounds like it's pretty wedged...btw I meant ctrl-alt-backspace, not delete :)
00:09.27predius_does anyone know how to set configure options with cdbs
00:09.29morkeGuerin but there is nothin which start with "modeline"
00:09.42debian-sandeepspace, It worked, thanks.
00:09.43cddesjarlol whining...you're probably like 15
00:09.49predius_i'm packaging, and COMMON_CONFIGURE_FLAGS doesn't work.
00:09.53toresbecddesjar: They do, sort of. It's just that they have very high expectations as to the self-sufficience, knowledge of netiquette and experience, unrealistic ones as well
00:10.12nkuttlercddesjar: i fail to see how that's relevant
00:10.26deepspaceexcellent
00:10.29mwilsontoresbe: Nah, there's just that expectation of basic intelligence.
00:10.46toresbemwilson: nope, it's not, and that confusion righ there is #debian's biggest problem
00:10.50deepspaceIt's not even intelligence, it's the ability to follow directions.
00:11.04deepspaceAnd to read documentation and try to understand them.
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00:11.16toresbemwilson: This channel confuses ignorance and stupidity
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00:11.31abrotmantoresbe: the difference is ? ..
00:11.40toresbeabrotman: the difference is pretty damned big
00:11.40abrotmantoresbe: you mean ignorance and idiocy?
00:11.47Guerintoresbe: you confuse unwillingness to help oneself with innocent ignorance
00:11.53toresbeGuerin: no, I don't
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00:11.58Guerintoresbe: you just did
00:12.15abrotmanhehe
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00:12.56cddesjarsuccess
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00:13.12cddesjari wanted laptop-net package
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00:13.18abrotmanand you got what instead?
00:13.34abrotmando eet!
00:13.41abrotmanwhen is the last time norway started a war?
00:13.51thingfishyeah, wars are for our leaders to create.
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00:14.08streunerabrotman: its a long time ago
00:14.26abrotmanthingfish: not my leader ..
00:14.49thingfishand who do you have for a leader, abrotman?
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00:15.35streunerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway
00:15.46Netzapperis there a good way to unpackage a package?  I don't want to install it (I'm not even on Debian), I just want to rip it open and retrieve the files inside.
00:15.47thingfishand if you say Cher, the conversation is over.
00:16.05toresbeoh well
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00:16.30DWoodleyHello
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00:16.51nkuttlerNetzapper: it's an ar archive
00:16.56Netzapperoh, awesome!
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00:17.14DWoodleyI was wondering if someone could help me access the debian source code
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00:17.40thingfishactually, I can think of worse leaders than Cher.
00:17.42GuerinDWoodley: ok. debian.org has plenty of instructions there.
00:17.43abrotmanthingfish: johnny damon
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00:18.02mz_workNetzapper: mc will let you look inside a deb too
00:18.03Netzappernkuttler: thanks!  (I guess I should've file'd it first.)
00:18.04GuerinDWoodley: you can download it from packages.debian.org, or using debian's packaging tools
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00:18.14thingfishjohnny damon?
00:18.19DWoodleyok, what's the name of the paCKAGE?
00:18.21nkuttlerNetzapper: file will tell you it's a debian package
00:18.26DWoodleypackage*
00:18.41GuerinDWoodley: there are 16,000-odd packages
00:18.43chance2105I'd like to set up my debian box to allow dialing-out from a regular users' desktop (wihout becoming root).  Is this possible/feasabile/safe?
00:18.47abrotmanthingfish: center fielder for the red sox :)
00:18.51thingfishoh I see, a baseball star.
00:18.52GuerinDWoodley: you might want to be a little bit specific
00:19.09Guerinchance2105: adduser username dip
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00:19.16Guerin(i believe it's dip)
00:19.19thingfishI'm way too queer to know anything about baseball.
00:19.33chance2105Guerin:  pppd is in /usr/sbin/ ..
00:19.36EdLinchance2105: or add permitted users in the advanced menu of pppconfig
00:19.44nkuttlerchance2105: so what?
00:19.52DWoodleyCould I browse the files and download what I'd like to?  Is there a place to do that?
00:19.58Guerinchance2105: don't you call pon/poff? where are they?
00:20.02EdLinchance2105: you use pon/poff anyway.
00:20.20EdLin!beer Guerin
00:20.27GuerinDWoodley: packages.debian.org/ If you're looking to install debian, /msg dpkg install debian
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00:20.42DWoodleyI have it installed already
00:20.50DWoodleyI'll look at the link provided
00:21.07thingfishdpkg needs to learn about Chimay.
00:21.11EdLinDWoodley: apt-get source and build-dep might be helpful.
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00:21.22DWoodleyok, thanks
00:21.30looneybird_77590how do i undo a ALSA installiation that i downloaded from  Alsa-project site
00:21.41peterSlooneybird_77590: why on earth did you do that?
00:21.47Netzapperoh wow... I just realized that debian packages and Z packages are the same damn thing.
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00:21.58nephlimhey guys
00:22.00Netzapper(#define Z Zaurus)
00:22.12looneybird_77590<--- newbie
00:22.13thingfishyou're crazy, Netzapper.
00:22.32chance2105EdLin, Guerin: Hm, ok.  It's as simple as that, huh.  I remember it giving me issues before when I set this up on a Woody box forever ago.  giving it a shot .. brb.
00:22.38nephlimI can't get apache2 to work with my public_html folder in /home/foo
00:22.53thingfishlooneybird_77590: *anyone* with that many numbers behind their nick is a newbie.
00:22.57nephlimfolder is 755, index.html is 644
00:23.04Netzapperthingfish: why do you say this?
00:23.11nephlimany ideas
00:23.15thingfish*holds
00:23.39looneybird_77590didnt know that alsa was already intergrated in 2.6 kernel
00:23.52Netzapperhmm... my cat just took something out of my box o' junk and ran off with it.  I'm slightly concerned.
00:24.17peterSNetzapper: no doubt it was a cricket or roach
00:24.19thingfishlooneybird_77590: yes, it is.  and we've been using the wheel and fire for a while now, too.
00:24.20EdLinlooneybird_77590: even if it wasn't you should check to see if it's apt-gettable first before going to random websites.
00:24.23concept10nephlim: mod_alias
00:24.40NetzapperpeterS: oh, no, it was definitely a PCB of some sort.  I just hope she doesn't cut herself on it.
00:24.45nephlimconcept10, i don;t follow
00:24.46peterSlooneybird_77590: anyway, we generally don't know how to undo the effects of installing random third-party stuff from source
00:24.53peterSNetzapper: ah, heh
00:25.05concept10nephlim: what do you mean that you cant get it to work?
00:25.22adrakoaafter use linux, it's possible ... don't be paranoic?
00:25.41nephlimmeaning i put the index.html in the public_html folder, hit domain.com/~user and get a 403 error
00:25.43netcatlooneybird_77590: The next time you decide to install a non Debian package (tarball) you should investigate installwatch...
00:25.56thingfishadrakoa: no, you need medication to not be paranoic.
00:25.56adrakoaand after listen gnu is possible , be normal
00:26.11EdLin!engrish
00:26.11dpkg[engrish] at http://www.engrish.com
00:26.25nephlimlinksys is forwarding 80 for the server as well
00:26.35concept10nephlim: you need to modify your apache2.conf file... the apache channel will be a great help to you
00:26.42nephlimthanks
00:28.51cplxanyone around to help do a kernel rebuild, I have 5 machines to do, just need someone who can do one of them.. would help alot
00:29.14looneybird_77590maybe i might be lucky. when i ran the configure command,  it stopped because of an error
00:29.18EdLin!tell cplx about kp mantra
00:29.19peterScplx: on debian you normally do not need to rebuild the kernel
00:29.21rnNhow can I do my apache knows php language?
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00:29.35rnNits showing the font code
00:29.45peterScplx: as such, we probably aren't going to waste our time helping you do so if you don't already know how, just to get a benefit you will not notice anyway
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00:30.52GuerinrnN: aptitude install libapache-mod-php4
00:30.55cplxpeterS: I have 5 machines to do, already done 12 of them.. I just need someone to ssh into one of them and do an upgrade to 2.4.26 or somthing.
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00:31.13mtnmanpeterS: it could be argued that the most noticable effect would be his increased understanding of how the kernel works.
00:31.26peterScplx: wtf?  you're asking for some random irc person to get root on one of your boxes and do your work for you?
00:31.26rnNGuerin, after install, i'll need restart apache?!
00:31.32GuerinrnN: yes.
00:31.36peterScplx: first of all, why would you trust us.....
00:31.39Guerin!shell access
00:31.40dpkgDON'T be a fucking moron. Offering shell accessss to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will i be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access.
00:32.06rnNthnks Guerin . i'll try :>
00:32.08tonsofpcsGuerin - for me?
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00:32.15Guerintonsofpcs: for cplx
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00:32.18tonsofpcslol
00:32.20cplxpeterS: because generally most all of you know what your doing, and I guess trust worthy.. and I have local access so its not like I can rescue.. and besides everything is backed up..
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00:32.31philwill someone help me troubleshoot my installation of the ipw2100 module?
00:32.42Guerincplx: you are very wrong.
00:32.52peterScplx: very few people on irc will be willing, even if you're dumb enough to offer a root password on some machine, to get on the machine and do your work for you
00:33.01tonsofpcscplx - this is why i just use a ttys0 and connect it to another machine, and just allow you to VIEW it while I do as you say :)
00:33.08mtnmanphil: rephrase the question.  /msg dpkg smart questions first.
00:33.08peterScplx: there is a big difference bewteen answering some questions, and doing your work for you.  most of us are willing to do the one but not the other.
00:33.14LightVisionpeterS: may I ask what you do for work?  working in linux field?
00:33.25peterScplx: unless some question of money becomes involved
00:33.36LightVisionpeterS:  hehe
00:33.38peterSLightVision: sort of.  programming, some linux based, some not
00:33.41cplxOk.. forget I even asked....
00:33.45LightVisionpeterS:  ok
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00:34.42LightVisioncplx: please be patient and know this is the best people on internet here.  very patient and helpful, its just they also encourage us to learn best using self exploration.  we learned the most that way and retention levels are better
00:35.17mtnmanlightvision: however people on this channel are notoriously impatient with lazy people.
00:35.19thingfishLightVision: what an admirable attitude and advice.  You are to be commended.
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00:35.41thingfish"impatient"? that's putting it mildly.
00:35.41chealmtnman: there's a limit to laziness too
00:35.46adrakoaGuerin but after your hack you says something to the PERSON....
00:36.00Guerinadrakoa: eh?
00:36.05LightVisionthingfish:  thanks :)  and I mean every word.  I am new to linux and been coming here for 3 weeks.  The best people on internet, imho, are in this channel :)
00:36.08mtnmancheal: in my observations, there is no limit to the laziness exhibited by some people.
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00:36.49thingfishLightVision: well, that's kind of you to say.  Not everyone has such a high opinion of #debian.
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00:37.06chealmtnman: of course...I meant there *should* be a limit
00:37.25LightVisionmtnman: modern conditioning is that of having people handing out data and spoon feed us.  its sad, but true!  I like what henry ford once said: "the hardest work in the world is to think, thats probably why so few engage in it" :)
00:37.38chealmtnman: but I wonder if playing with kernels and rebooting boxes *from remote* surpasses the limit
00:37.40mtnmancheal: i suppose i could have read your mind on that one.  how lazy of me for not doing so :D
00:37.46rnNGuerin, php4.. i did apt-get build-dep php4 and it wanna install apache2. Need I isntall apache2? Can I stay with 1.33?
00:37.51chealmtnman: tssk tssk
00:37.52thingfishthe hardest work - but the most rewarding work.
00:38.02LightVisionmtnman:  Earl Nightingale said "If most people said what they were thinking, they would be speechless" :)
00:38.10LightVisionthingfish:  true true :)
00:38.14thingfish:)
00:38.15GuerinrnN: don't do build-dep
00:38.19pabloso_scorphuswhy does apache-common depends on apache2-utils instead of (expected) apache-utils?
00:38.19Guerinyou're not building it
00:38.26LightVisionIm a philosopher because i LOVE to think and use my brain :)
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00:38.32Guerinpabloso_scorphus: because apache2-utils works for apache1 too
00:38.32mtnmancheal: imho, giving shell to an unknown person is beyond laziness, more in the realm of "stupidity"
00:38.35xNinjahello...
00:38.51thingfishof course, all hard mental work must be accompanied by adequate amounts of good quality beer!
00:38.57Guerinmtnman: undoubtedlt
00:38.58Gueriny
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00:39.03deadcatLightVision: hahah "honey, get a job.." "why?"
00:39.03pabloso_scorphusGuerin: so, no problem in this. Thanks
00:39.04xNinjais there a powerful program or something like that work with linux for blocking porno ?
00:39.19deadcatxNinja: no
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00:39.28chealmtnman: but let's forget that...now let's do it for remote kernel ricing!
00:39.31thingfishxNinja: in here, we only know the apps that draw in porn.
00:39.34GuerinxNinja: squid or dansguardian can be made to do so
00:39.46concept10thingfish: :)
00:39.47Guerinporn is boring
00:39.47LightVisiondeadcat:  hello there, didnt see you sneek in ;)
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00:39.58thingfishit is boring, actually.
00:40.05Guerinthingfish: AOL
00:40.06chance2105Porn .. or death.
00:40.07deadcatLightVision: dude. i was always here (=..
00:40.07xNinjaany help about that Guerin
00:40.15GuerinxNinja: never set up either, sorry.
00:40.20thingfishwell, except for about 5 minutes every 3-4 days...
00:40.21LightVisiondeadcat:  didnt see you :P
00:40.24looneybird_77590ok  lets assume that i didnt get to install the third party ALSA, cause it stopped on an error.  what do i do to properly install
00:40.25xNinjathanks anyway
00:40.30deadcatLightVision: i was gonna ambush you there hehe
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00:41.01dpkg[alsa one-liner] apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf
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00:41.04peterSlooneybird_77590: just 'alsa-utils' and kernel 2.6 itself
00:41.07GuerinxNinja: i lie. I have set up squid, but onyl to do http proxying, not filtering content.
00:41.14LightVisiondeadcat:  ;)
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00:41.35concept10xNinja: I dont understand what you want to block, what sites do you go to that pops up porn in your browser, I dont see much of it myself in firefox..
00:41.50DWoodleyOK, I would like to know where I can get the source code for the user management part of debian
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00:41.54thingfishI know man, you don't get porn unless you go looking for it.
00:41.56DWoodleyI kow that's fairly broad
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00:42.10Guerinconcept10: you know, he might ACTUALLY be setting up a system for someone other than just himself.
00:42.16chance2105Ah, ok.  Yes, dip it was .. with the addition of the advanced menu in pppconfig .. my user can dialout.  The Gnome modem applet seems broken tho. :/
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00:42.24Guerinconcept10: a remote possibility, i know, but still...
00:42.24mtnmandwoodley: man apt-get look for "source" option.
00:42.38xNinjai want to block as i can of porno things for child
00:42.51thingfishwell, that's understandable.
00:43.07concept10Maybe use one of those firewalls like smoothwall that block sites
00:43.27mtnmanxninja: you may be better off setting a defalut of deny, and add sites that you'd like the child to access.
00:43.34mtnman*default
00:43.50xNinjathat will be hard
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00:44.08looneybird_77590ok will try that in a few.  boss man just knocked on door, 1 of the cameras has a problem.
00:44.08Coweaternot any harder than blocking all the bad stuff
00:44.08GuerinxNinja: not really. get him/her to email you whenever he wants a new one added.
00:44.18mtnmanxninja: trying to block all spam sites will be harder by a longshot.
00:44.29xNinjaright
00:44.34xNinjai am thinking about a good way
00:44.43GuerinxNinja: actually, there's probably a reasonably good black/whitelist system out there
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00:44.47mtnmans/spam/pron/
00:44.58xNinjahttp://sourceforge.net/projects/black-n-blue
00:45.12mtnmanguerin: white/blacklists suxor.
00:45.16Coweatera default deny system will actually be more effective because they will help point out sites that should be accepted, and you'll get no help the other way around
00:45.44mtnmandefault deny is the only effective way to achieve the goal.
00:45.47Guerinmtnman: for email, sure. But for www they'd be much better.
00:45.58concept10I just want to block the BBW
00:45.58mtnmanguerin: i disagree.
00:46.11chance2105What could cause "pon" to work from the command line, but not from within the Gnome modem lights applet?
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00:46.22Guerinmtnman: if you default deny, and then employ a whitelist instead of having to manually add 1,000,000 sites...
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00:46.31Guerinchance2105: gnome?
00:46.38mtnmanguerin: the key is default deny.
00:46.45chance2105Guerin: yup
00:46.46Guerinmtnman: if you trust the whitelist, obviously
00:46.54Guerinmtnman: thanks, I read slashdot too
00:47.03mtnmanguerin: in a sense, my suggestion was to create the whitelist as you go along...
00:47.06Guerinchance2105: that was a statement, not a question.
00:47.28chance2105Guerin:  .. So Gnome's the problem.
00:47.30Guerinmtnman: right. I figured to take the legwork out of it and use one which was already created... if there is one.
00:47.39Guerinchance2105: in most cases, yeah.
00:47.52xNinjathe white list will include arabian sites or just english as i guess
00:47.54mtnmanguerin: i'm sure plenty exist, the question is which one do you trust?
00:48.21mtnmanxninja: that would depend on the particular list, i would imagine.
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00:48.41Guerinmtnman: that's an exercise for the implementer
00:48.56LightVisionxNinja:  do you climb a lot of trees? :)
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00:49.20xNinjaLightVision what u mean
00:49.20GuerinxNinja: if you want to restrict to only arabian sites, your job of whitelisting becomes a lot easier
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00:49.57xNinjano i will trust the whitelist also
00:50.05xNinjabut i am thinking about a project for that
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00:50.10predius_how do I add configure options to a cdbs rules file?
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00:50.49LightVisionxNinja:  Ninja's like to climb trees :)
00:51.04xNinjaLightVision i was thinking in more deep :)
00:51.10Guerin!apostrophesmite LightVision
00:51.11LightVisionxNinja:  hehe ;)
00:51.22abrotmannot btrees?
00:51.27LightVisionmtnman:  good point :)
00:51.37LightVision!hug Guerin
00:51.50xNinjaso you all thinks that default deny and putting the whitelist is best ?
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00:51.55concept10how do I clear/delete viruses found with clamav on a windows partition?
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00:52.18Azargood day honorables
00:52.38LightVisionconcept10:  clamscan --remove
00:52.44Guerin!aww
00:52.44dpkg*snuggles*
00:52.49xNinjagood morning in my country azar :)
00:53.00LightVisionGuerin:  cool ;)
00:53.05concept10LightVision: thanks
00:53.06rnNGuerin, the apache isnt "reading" the php code as a really php. :/
00:53.14LightVisionconcept10:  you are very welcome :)
00:53.14Azarout of topic, maybe few of you already know this but it is too funny: M$ trying to hire Eric S. Raymond
00:53.17predius_how do I add configure options to a cdbs rules file?
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00:53.21abrotmanAddType is needed
00:53.28LightVisionAzar:  i heard about that too
00:53.35abrotmanAzar: yes . on slashdot .. days ago
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00:53.44AzarI just read the article on BetaNews
00:53.46Azarsuperfunny
00:53.48LightVisionconcept10:  and type clamscan --help
00:54.05LightVisionAzar:  indeed
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00:54.10concept10LightVision: I wonder do I have to scan again, it took hours
00:54.23concept10Isnt ESR rich?
00:54.31abrotmandefine rich
00:54.45LightVisionconcept10:  good question, not sure about that.  did you keep the report and do you know what files are infected?
00:54.46concept10millions
00:54.49Azaris not the matter of rich or poor , ESR is the bastion of Open Source
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00:55.24LightVisionconcept10:  just scan the folder that contained the virus
00:55.26mtnmanthe bast- what?
00:55.27concept10open source, smopen smorce (if you have millions)
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00:55.32abrotman!dict bastion
00:55.34dpkgcould not find definition for bastion
00:55.37abrotmanyay
00:55.45Azarteach him abrotman
00:55.56abrotmanit's the dictionary ..
00:55.57Azarfortress in english
00:56.11concept10bastion or bastard? was that a mistake?
00:56.13abrotmanbastille ?
00:56.28mtnmanconcept10: at least someone was following my train of thought...
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00:56.32Azarbastion is like a fortress under siege that never gives up
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00:57.21Azarbastille was some kind of prison
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00:57.54concept10I would work for microsoft as a open source consultant if I was offered a postion (not likely) just talk about debian all day, probably last a week
00:58.00Thanatermesisany front-end for daemons managing ?
00:58.06Thanatermesisa X program for manage daemons...
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00:58.50concept10Thanatermesis: gnome system monitor, ksysinfo ...something like that?
00:59.05Thanatermesismmmh, without gnome/kde libs concept10 ?
00:59.08abrotmanThanatermesis: there are .. depends on which window manager
00:59.23Caelumyou mean init script management? there are a few things like that
00:59.24stewconcept10: i'm guessing they don't have positions like that to offer you
00:59.25Thanatermesisenlightenment abrotman , Im trying to make a panel of control :)
00:59.34concept10stew: :)
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00:59.49abrotmanThanatermesis: so you need another ?
01:00.59concept10If I worked at MS, I would implement APT in windows.. they need something like that
01:01.05mz_workThanatermesis: ever seen BUM?
01:01.26Thanatermesisbum ?
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01:01.33mz_workThanatermesis: http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
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01:01.38ysothothbum beachwear
01:01.39mz_workit's in Debian
01:01.48Thanatermesis<Thanatermesis> bum
01:01.48Thanatermesis<apt> bum is, like, Turkish word.
01:01.49Thanatermesislol
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01:02.28LightVisionconcept10:  you find the virus ok?
01:02.45concept10not yet
01:02.51Thanatermesismmmh, I like this, thanks, Im looking...
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01:02.59trymIm having trouble setting up my Samsung CLP-500N laser printer. Ive run samsungs driver package.. but "nothing works". Anyone experienced with this ?
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01:03.54unixfool_anyone know how I can use find to find file modifed between to arbitrary dates?
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01:04.06Thanatermesiswow, its nice! thanks mz_work
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01:07.09abrotmanunixfool_: man find .. it explains it
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01:07.31Azartrym I never tried, I do not use a printer yet but I would guess linux treats a printer as... printer
01:07.47unixfool_abrotman, it explains newer but theres not an "older" option
01:07.57abrotmanunixfool_: +/- ?
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01:08.27unixfool_abrotman, ?
01:08.44netcatunixfool_: find . -mtime +6 -mtime -8 -print
01:08.47abrotmanunixfool_: the TESTS section
01:08.58Azartrym: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-printer
01:09.17netcatunixfool_: The above was courtesy of "Unix Power Tools"...
01:09.22unixfool_netcat, thanks!
01:10.42abrotmanof course ... the man page tells you how
01:10.42Azaroh
01:11.09Azarlos angeles power blackouts?
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01:11.23russohas anyone installed XORG from testing? And got defoma bad?
01:12.03chealrusso: I installed X.org from testing
01:12.09predius_how do I add configure options to a cdbs rules file?
01:12.20russocheal: did you see anything strange?
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01:12.33russocheal: now i can't even write in RUSSIAN at a terminal
01:12.40concept10good god, bush is touring New Orleans in the back of a truck... what is he thinking?
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01:12.53russoeven IF i stat my session im ru_RU.UTF-8
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01:13.25chealrusso: after reconfiguring xserver-xorg and making sure keyboard stuff is OK?
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01:14.21chealthe only regression I observed going to X.org is about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
01:14.44StopNow-i have the following problem, i need to update the kernel of a machine, but it has no connecton to the internet, and i cant find the latest kernel for Debian, can someone give me a link or smth?
01:14.51russocheal: keyboard is okay, under X app my russian switch is okay, but in a terminal it is like the font does not has cyrillic
01:15.17russocheal: i even did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
01:15.25chealStopNow-: which release is that machine running?
01:15.33russoand some strange thing is that the printer does not find some fonts either!
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01:15.55StopNow-cheal: its running 2.4.27, but i need to upgrade it to 2.6.11 or higher
01:16.09chealah...I never played with fonts. I am French-speaking
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01:16.40russoand i am a Portuguese from Brasil ;)
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01:16.44chealStopNow-: the latest kernel in etch is 2.6.11 (partly), the latest in sid is 2.6.12
01:17.27chealrusso: as a guess, # dpkg-reconfigure console-data is no help?
01:17.27nvzthen you are Brazillian, no?
01:17.33StopNow-cheal: then i need a link to the 2.6.11 for debian, i can fing anywhere
01:17.39dswcheal: sid==unstable, etch==experimental, or vice versa?
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01:17.46nvzdsw: wrong
01:17.47AzarStopNow, if you do not have a connection how will you access a link?
01:17.49chealStopNow-: a stock kernel? which arch?
01:17.51nvzdsw: etch is testing
01:17.53deadcatdsw: etch = testing
01:17.59dswaha
01:17.59cheal!tell dsw about releases
01:18.04cheal!etch
01:18.04dpkgmethinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/
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01:18.18StopNow-cheal: OHH.. testing, and witch is the last stable?
01:18.26dswdpkg is out of date, sarge is currently stable
01:18.29chealexperimental==experimental
01:18.33nvzdsw: experimental and unstable is not a debian release now or ever
01:18.49russocheal: no help console-data
01:19.04Azardsw, dpkg is never wrong
01:19.11StopNow-cheal: and witch is the last stable version?
01:19.15chealStopNow-: sarge
01:19.18nvzAzar: b.s.
01:19.30StopNow-cheal: can i have a link , arch 386
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01:19.33dswmy mistake. dpkg had an "elephant in my pajamas" syntax error
01:19.37Azarnvz, I can't help it, I am a big fan of dpkg
01:20.03chealStopNow-: if you're asking about the latest stable's kernel, it's 2.4.27 or 2.6.8
01:20.04nvzdpkg I forgot azar's password
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01:20.17nvzoh well no go there.
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01:20.41dswdpkg what's the meaning of life
01:20.43StopNow-cheal: well, i need 2.6.8, i dont need 2.4.27
01:21.16chealStopNow-: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 for 2.6.11 on 386
01:21.33StopNow-cheal: thanks
01:22.07chealStopNow-: ok, well you said you needed >2.6.10. you should be able to find a specific available kernel version with that link
01:22.33cplxwhy dont I have a /usr/src/linux folder?
01:22.44cheal!folder
01:22.45dpkgmethinks folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer
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01:23.13chealwhat does that mean, "what ya do before ya doer"?
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01:24.17asgcheal: think sexual
01:24.19predius_anyone know cdbs?
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01:24.43muniHi
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01:25.23muniHow I make a user able to run sudo? (mu sudoers is right but system says that my user can't run sudo on loclahost)
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01:25.49asgmuni: paste the sudo line for the user in question
01:25.50predius_muni: visudo
01:25.58chealasg: hum, I could see "fold her", "do her". is that related to a sexual position?
01:26.05deadcatmuni: man sudoers
01:26.06asgcheal: think anal
01:26.15asgcheal: otherwise, her back would snap.
01:26.24deadcatcheal: yes. very sexual
01:26.29predius_anyone know cdbs?
01:26.42asgdeadcat: more physical than sexual; it depends on the other party and what they are into.
01:26.52Gnea!anyone
01:26.53dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
01:26.54muniasg: User_Alias      USERS = muni
01:26.57muniasg: USERS   LOCAL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt-get, /usr/local/bin/IxusGetPhotos
01:26.58asg!tell predius_ about repeat
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01:27.32stewpredius_: maybe ask in #debian-mentors
01:27.43asgmuni: try replacing LOCAL with ALL
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01:28.48muniasg: worked thanks! weird I just took my file from my old system that was working !
01:28.48Azarlearning about datagram encapsulation can bring in mind many sexual compairsons
01:28.59cheal"her back would snap."... I'm not sure I understand what that means. anyway, that seems obscene
01:29.14asgmuni: LOCAL was probably not defined in the new configuration or came from an *older* system.
01:29.33abrotmanisn't cdbs for the CDDB ?
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01:29.48asgcheal: think human. think bend forward. think bend backward. There can be only one (unless you are into yoga)
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01:30.12asg!beer abrotman
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01:31.00abrotman!wine asg
01:31.09Caelumugh, my laptop beeps and dies when I try to build a kernel... I guess the cpu is overheating
01:31.21abrotmanwhy are you building a kernel?
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01:32.18asgabrotman: had a nice pinot with our Pankot coated Basa with Lemon tonight
01:32.21compguymachey, i aquired 10 old pc's, like p1's and p2's, what would be a small in mb size and easy distro to throw on thoes?
01:32.28Azarit beeps before during or after?
01:32.28abrotmanasg: noir or grigio?
01:32.33abrotmanoh .. grigio i assume
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01:32.46compguymacdebian was a little struggle to get going, something that doesent take much
01:32.48asgabrotman: yes
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01:32.49abrotmancompguymac: debian
01:32.50CaelumAzar: 3 loud beeps and shuts off completely
01:32.51compguymacbut can run X
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01:33.07AzarCaleum yes but when exactly?
01:33.09compguymacabrotman, i installed debian and had a hell of a time getting X to run with the video drivers
01:33.16abrotmancompguymac: which video card?
01:33.22nvzcompguymac: I run debian fine on my P1's
01:33.23CaelumAzar: seems like during heavy activity like during a kernel build
01:33.35AzarCaleum, poor ram?
01:33.41asgnvz: works great on my 200 with 48M also
01:33.57compguymacwell the pc i had a problem on was with a geforce card in it, im new to debian, been a slack guy all my life
01:34.05CaelumAzar: doubtful... I guess I have to run some torture tests to see what causes it to die exactly
01:34.22AzarCaleum good luck
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01:34.32nvzwtf kind of PI has a fuckin geforce in it
01:34.40compguymacwell some of the harddrives are like 1/2 of a gig
01:34.42Azarcompguymack if you were a slacker keep in mind that Debian means patience and discipline
01:34.54compguymaci know that
01:35.00Azarrules, steps and regulations
01:35.01compguymacn/m
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01:35.25abrotmancompguymac: debian
01:35.46compguymacshould i just use the net install i have?
01:35.48Caelumdebian base and hand pick packages to install
01:35.51abrotmanand unless it's a PCI geforce .. it doesn't have a geforce .. and anyway you look at it .. it's a total waste of money
01:35.52compguymacor download a full cd to do it?
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01:37.02TwistedEmotionsWow.. lot of packages to upgrade today. I love mondays  58 programs love me :) WEEEEE
01:37.25abrotmanpatch monday
01:38.12TwistedEmotionsxserver has been updates too.. wonder if theres anything new..
01:38.28stewTwistedEmotions: changelogs.debian.net/packagename
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01:38.52TwistedEmotionsstew: hah.. thanks.. but wasnt wondering enough to put effort in ;)
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01:39.47danieldganyway, none of the changelogs for today's updates are up yet (or else aptitude can't find them)
01:39.59Caelummaybe they were in la? :)
01:40.00danieldgmeaning of life
01:40.11danieldgoops
01:40.13TwistedEmotionsoh. well.. either way ;)
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01:41.12metaperlwhat can I apt-get to install a number of popular KDE themes?
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01:41.31chealmetaperl: better ask #debian-kde
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01:42.05themattsI just wanted to drop in and say, Debian is an amazing OS. Thanks to the guys who put in the hard hours.
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01:42.36TwistedEmotionsmetaperl: apt-cache search kde themes
01:43.02chealthematts: too bad, "the guys" are not here
01:43.04metaperlTwistedEmotions: THANKS
01:43.08TwistedEmotionsmetaperl: kdeartwork is a good one.. I think. I installed once.. but then dont really think I ever used kde
01:43.09TwistedEmotions;)
01:43.28chealthematts: besides, wasn't there anyway a little thing we could have helped you about? ;)
01:43.36EdLin!Thomas Adams barbie
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01:43.44EdLin!ThomasAdams barbie
01:43.44themattsYou guys have helped me a lot int he past
01:43.49abrotman!seen thomasadam
01:43.50dpkgabrotman: i haven't seen 'thomasadam'
01:43.52abrotmanwtf
01:43.56TwistedEmotionsthematts: it was all me... and you are welcome.
01:44.04TwistedEmotionsabrotman: shhhhh!
01:44.06abrotman!seen thomas_adam
01:44.06dpkgthomas_adam <~n6tadam@host217-42-100-44.range217-42.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 78d 23h 49m 42s ago, saying: 'hikenboot_: http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/OneDiskToAnother'.
01:44.10abrotmanwtf
01:44.13TwistedEmotionsmetaperl: might be a contrib package.
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01:44.22EdLin!thomas_adam barbie
01:44.27themattsI haven't installed Linux in probably over 6 months, but I got sick of the w2k system running slow and thought I'd try my hand at Debian again.
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01:44.39EdLinphoey
01:44.44SDFH_Linux<PROTECTED>
01:45.08EdLinabrotman: 78 days ago, hard to belive
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01:45.54EdLinabrotman: I wanted to have the barbie saying "fvwm is so cool"
01:46.17jackassman!seen TwistedEmotions
01:46.17dpkgtwistedemotions <n=Morpheus@adsl-68-126-181-246.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2m 4s ago, saying: 'metaperl: might be a contrib package.'.
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01:46.22jackassmanhahah
01:46.23abrotmanwhat!
01:46.25jackassmanthats pimp
01:46.52TwistedEmotionsWeee ;) That was great
01:47.48mwilsonOh, great... new X
01:48.10TwistedEmotionsnew x?
01:48.13TwistedEmotionsxorg?
01:48.19mwilsonAren't you on /ignore?
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01:48.29TwistedEmotionsheh?
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01:48.32mwilsonAh, you are now.
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01:49.12asgmwilson: looks like a minor update
01:49.54mwilsonasg: Yeah, I'll have to read the changelog and decide if I want to let it apply.  I'm holding off on updating my box until I get a chance to audit sysvinit and sys-rc, though.
01:50.22asgmwilson: understood
01:51.00kvidellahck
01:51.01chealmwilson: audit sysvinit? you don't trust the new maintainers :?
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01:51.15mwilsoncheal: I don't trust Smoorenburg
01:51.34mwilsonHe's still maintainer of record.
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01:51.58chealwhat's record?
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01:52.05mwilson<sigh>
01:52.25WiFiTuxis there anything to make virtual interfaces?
01:52.38asgWiFiTux: see the wiki, it's well documented there
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01:52.46WiFiTuxany package were you can create virtual interfaces and assign them MAC address
01:52.53WiFiTuxasg: Wiki of what?
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01:53.02asgWiFiTux: the #debian wiki in the /topic
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01:53.19asgWiFiTux: or man 5 interfaces
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01:54.31xenoduckI'm looking to get an 802.11g PCI card that won't require ndiswrapper or similar contortions to work.  Is anyone here using such a card right now?  I'm aware of prism54.org and the comparison at seattlewireless.net; I'm looking for someone who actually has a working card.
01:54.50WiFiTuxasg: ok
01:54.57chealxenoduck: I have one, to some extent
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01:55.08xenoduckcheal:  What make/model?
01:55.11mwilsonHm, I'll just put sysvinit, initscripts, and sysv-rc on hold
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01:55.45chealthe issue is that I was considering ranting about my university not "allowing" me to connect to its network with it.
01:56.03chealwithout tainting my kernel with some cisco crap, of course
01:56.14WiFiTuxasg: OK, still I couldn't find it in the Wiki
01:56.27TwistedEmotionscheal: what university?
01:56.35TwistedEmotionscheal: proxy?
01:56.56mwilsoncheal: Translation?
01:57.01chealI suppose running ndiswrapper may not be as bad as ndiswrapper though. the card is a RT2500
01:57.11asgWiFiTux: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage#head-2f31801e2d1d278c35ac1af4d7c90a2de1a52cd1
01:57.17WiFiTuxasg: thanks
01:57.32chealmwilson: wireless security
01:57.47xenoduckI thought rt2500 had a native driver?
01:57.56chealTwistedEmotions: quebec's Université Laval. it's Canada's second largest hotspot
01:58.14chealthere's a native linux rt2500 GPL driver
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01:58.21WiFiTuxasg: is that the same way for MAC?
01:58.29Voothow do you list valid block devices from /dev?
01:58.34chealbut, it's not in the kernel, and the big issue is that it doesn't support PEAP
01:58.44xenoduckAh.
01:58.45chealI meant in the main kernel tree
01:59.02asgWiFiTux: well, I don't think you can have multiple MACs on a single interface
01:59.10WiFiTuxasg: :|
01:59.37asgWiFiTux: or look at the hwaddress option (might work, might not. I don't know)
01:59.49chealhowever, I hope that rt2x00.serialmonkey.com can develop a driver that supports PEAP sometime. they released a beta of a new driver 20050904
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01:59.54asgWiFiTux: of interfaces(5) that is
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02:00.07Vooti'm trying to find out where my usb cd-burner went, how do I find out what device it is?
02:00.22mwilsoncheal: What's the problem?  Did they make you some sort of guarantee of wireless service or something?
02:00.32asgVoot: lsusb is a good start. dmesg also will provide information.
02:00.47WiFiTuxasg: ok, thansk
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02:01.35thingfishI say let's all us Debian users move to Vancouver and grow pot.
02:01.40Vootasg, i tried that. dmesg says it's at sg0, but k3b disagrees, and an attempt to mount the drive returns the error "it's not a valid block device"
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02:01.55chealmwilson: I'm not sure. they charge 10 CAD a session, and you can connect to it from linux, but I wish you could do it without tainting your kernel
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02:02.46mwilsonOh, a religious argument.
02:02.51xenoduckIt seems like I'll have a much easier time if I just use a regular wired NIC with an access point.  8-)
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02:03.44asgcheal: other than bitching (and loosing 9/10), the pragmatic response of using a tainted kernel with an OS that doesn't suck is much more preferable to using one that does.
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02:03.56chealmwilson: right. the GNUism is not yet recognized by the university.
02:04.20chealthey recognize Baha'i (sorry for spelling), I'm sure they'll recognize GNUism soon
02:04.48thingfishI think you got the spelling right.
02:04.58mwilsoncheal: Don't tell me you're an (whispers) advocate?
02:05.53chealmwilson: hell no. I have a "friend" studying in right. he showed us his study books, and that was enough to disgust me forever
02:05.54asgdon't they make guacamole out of them?
02:05.56mzilikazilooking for an app to help tech my son spanish - any ideas? i did find pythonol but it refuses to build - the one google/linux hit i came up with ended the same way
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02:06.47mzilikazilooking for an app to help tech my son spanish - any ideas? i did find pythonol but it refuses to build - the one google/linux hit i came up with ended the same way
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02:06.55asgmzilikazi: apt-cache search spanish (shows quite a few promising entries that might suit your needs.)
02:06.55nevynummm
02:07.01nevynapt-get install kvocab
02:07.15mwilsoncheal: What in the world are you talking about?
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02:07.21nevynmzilikazi: kverbos
02:07.24mwilsonnevyn: Won't that require KDE?
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02:08.13slackd00dwhen i try and run python programs i get locale setting errors. how do i set a locale for python? am i missing a package?
02:08.16chealmwilson: oops. I tought you meant lawyer (false friend). are you asking me if I'm a GNU advocate?
02:08.23asgslackd00d: dpkg-reconfigure locales
02:08.30slackd00dthank you
02:08.58asgcheal: lawyer == false friend?
02:09.12mwilsoncheal: You seem normal enough... I didn't think it was possible.
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02:10.05chealasg: sorry.... "advocate" must be a false friend with French's "avocat", which means lawyer in french
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02:11.09asgcheal: ah, slight mismatch. There are some similarities in meaning but the sense used above was one of 'enthusiastic, but clueless, supporter ... for the common good, etc., etc.'
02:11.18chealasg: it's not too bad. there's already a Debian guy in our LUG working in the organization responsible for the wireless network, and my NetBSD friend may work there soon :)
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02:11.28SmerdyakovIt seems that Apache 2 in Debian writes the stderr output of suexec'd CGI scripts to the global error log instead of the relevant virtual host's error log.  Can anyone else confirm this?
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02:11.37mwilsonUgh, and he's a LUG, too.
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02:11.52chealmwilson: who?
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02:12.08cheal"our LUG"=>my city's LUG
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02:12.47chealI went there a few times. the first class I had in university was in a room I had a LUG meeting in :)
02:13.09chealasg: yes, I understood now. thanks for all your translation help tonight :)
02:13.25asgcheal: ;)
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02:13.28cheal"Bahá'í Faith"
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02:13.42mwilsonI've been to at least one meeting each of the three LUG we have in San Diego (used to be three, have to check again).  The collection of stupidity in one room... frightening.
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02:14.05chealI knew I was missing a few accents :)
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02:14.48mwilsonLUG are like unions... long past their needed-by date.
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02:15.38chealhehe, I find free software folks usually more interesting than most people. of course, they can't be as intelligent as you :)
02:16.18chealalso, my LUG for one seems to do some purely or mostly social events which is kind of strange
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02:17.53shameless_would it be ok if i use vanilla kernel?
02:17.59mwilsoncheal: When the entire membership of the LUG makes linuxquestions.org look smart, it's time to be elsewhere.
02:18.06mwilsonshameless_: You don't have to ask anyone's permission.
02:18.19bob2some LUGs are like that
02:18.22shameless_mwilson: i mean, will have any problems.. =P
02:18.26bob2my LUG is fairly hacker-heavy
02:18.34chealshameless_: I heard they work, although I'd try not to use them. 2.6.13?
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02:18.36bob2shameless_: not if you compile it coreectly
02:18.41bob2and use a working udev
02:18.57mwilsonor better yet, don't use udev at all.
02:19.47shameless_well, i downloaded one .deb kernel file, but it didnt have the chance to type make menuconfig, and now it isnt working properly
02:19.52chealmwilson: I've rarely checked linuxquestions.org...can't really picture
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02:20.16bob2shameless_: so, what are you trying to do?
02:20.24bob2shameless_: Debian ships with a number of already working kernels
02:20.27chealshameless_: was it a stock kernel?
02:20.27mwilsoncheal: Just figure that the clued people, if ever there were any, left long ago.
02:20.41shameless_bob2: how do i know if its a stock or no?
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02:20.52bob2shameless_: I don't know what you mean
02:20.55bob2shameless_: what is your goal here?
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02:21.18deadcati just loaded ipw2100 and ieee80211, but iwconfig doesnt show my card. what up?
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02:21.45bob2deadcat: dmesg
02:21.51shameless_bob2: well, i wanted to know if i use vanilla kernel version 2.6.10 or 2.6.11, will i have any problems, and will you recommend me not to us eit
02:21.51abrotmandeadcat: you blew it up
02:22.05bob2shameless_: if you compile it correctly, it will work fine
02:22.56bob2shameless_: I don't recommend it at all, since it's almost certainly a waste of time
02:22.56shameless_bob2: why
02:22.56deadcatabrotman: )=
02:22.56deadcatbob2: will try
02:22.56bob2shameless_: what's the point? Debian already has a working kernel
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02:23.13chealshameless_: what was the .deb's filename?
02:23.43shameless_bob2: well, i have a nVidia nforce network controller, but the dethforce driver doesnt detect my network card, so i think if i rebuild a newer kernel it will work maybe
02:24.03bob2shameless_: then why on earth would you build .10 or .11?
02:24.18trymCups reports "Could not find a suitable printer" when I try to print using my Samsung CLP-500 (identical to Xerox 6100). This it the output of the vendordriver-provided ppmtosplc filter application. Any ideas on how to solve this?
02:24.42shameless_bob2: i tryed with 8
02:24.43bob2ignore the vender-provided stuff and use foomatic
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02:25.34shameless_bob2: but when i downloaded the deb file, and i typed dpkg -i file.deb... nothing happened, i mean i didnt have the chance to config it and now it isnt working, and im back to my old kernel
02:25.44bob2wtf
02:25.51bob2shameless_: so, no one else saw what you did
02:25.54bob2shameless_: or can see you now
02:26.06shameless_bob2:what do you mean?
02:26.09bob2shameless_: so when yo usay "the deb file" and "file.deb", we have no idea what you actually did
02:26.17bob2presumably you did't really download "file.deb"
02:26.23Manoj_shameless_, well, when you install a linux-image-foo*.deb file, it is already pre-compiled
02:26.27Guerinanything's possible, though
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02:26.52shameless_Manoj_: and how do i have to make to  to compile it?
02:26.57Manoj_shameless_, you could get a linux-source-foo*.deb file, and that willl give you ample opportunities to configure and compile stuff.
02:27.02bob2shameless_: you don't compile it, it's a kernel image
02:27.02gratuitI'm running a kernel that someone else set up, and they are passing nomce as a parameter, I was able to find out via google that this disables machine check exceptions, but I'm not sure what the benefit of this is, anyone know?
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02:27.20bob2probably to work around a bug with your chipset
02:27.42Manoj_shameless_, the -image*.deb files are precompiled _binary_ versions. The 8-source-*.deb files are are the ones that you can compile
02:27.56gratuitbob2: if not, would there be a benefit to not passing nomce, or is it harmless to leave it there?
02:28.03abrotman!seen fieldysnuts
02:28.04dpkgfieldysnuts <i=QJOfJgmv@unaffiliated/fieldysnuts> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9d 59m 19s ago, saying: 'are you done dropping elite acronyms yet, trying to compensate for something?'.
02:28.10Gueringratuit: changes are they're passing it for a reason, no?
02:28.17bob2gratuit: dunno, read the kernel documentation (kernel-doc-blah)
02:28.23mwilsonGuerin: You're joking, right?
02:28.35Guerinmwilson: not at all.
02:28.38shameless_Manoj_:thanks, and do you think that updating my kernel will solve my network problem?
02:29.13gratuitGuerin: my bet is they were copying an install someone else did somewhere else word for word and didn't know what the params meant
02:29.14trymI get "Unable to find postscript driver" when I try to install a new postscript printer.. what debian package has this postscript driver?
02:29.23Manoj_shameless_, hard to say (I came in at the tail end of the conversation)
02:29.25Gueringratuit: try without, then.
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02:29.35shameless_Manoj_: if no, is there any other nforce2 network driver except dethforce
02:29.36bob2trym: do you have cupsys and the foomatic stuff installed?
02:29.41shameless_Manoj_: forcedeth*
02:30.00trymbob2: I have cupsys installed.. dont know about the foomatic
02:30.13chou-chouare there any suggested howtos on getting debian to converse power.. or to use like a standby mode when i close the case of my laptop etc?
02:30.21chou-chou*conserve.
02:30.23bob2trym: then install the various ppd packages
02:30.31bob2chou-chou: linux-laptop.net
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02:30.34abrotman!tell chou-chou about acpi
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02:30.56asgchou-chou: it depends on the laptop. Check linux-laptops.net for your model and what other users have found.
02:30.59trymbob2: thanks.. ill try
02:31.18chou-chouthanks all 3 :)
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02:33.18scxhey... a quote about IRC
02:33.36Guerinunbelievable
02:33.40trymah man
02:33.41scxhow do I get a list of all the rooms ?
02:33.41abrotman!qotd0
02:33.41dpkg<yevgeniy2> !sest  <yevgeniy2> !test  <yevgeniy2> !test  <yevgeniy2> !test  -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood]  <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more.
02:33.44trymfoomatic is BRILLIANT
02:33.48Guerin!room
02:33.49dpkgCHANNEL!
02:33.50bob2scx: /list
02:34.01bob2scx: but they're channels, and it's not useful since there are thousands of them
02:34.07scxok ok, enough
02:34.11scxthanx
02:34.13asgscx: /msg chanserv help
02:34.44trymbob2: doesnt print with postscript driver :/
02:34.53nvzthats a pretty good qotd :P
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02:35.14scx( wow this Debianitas...)
02:35.16scx;)
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02:36.27scxuhhh towsands
02:36.36scxyou didn't lie
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02:37.16bob2"thousands"
02:37.36asg"lye"
02:37.45scxmabe hundreds
02:37.50scx(maybe)
02:38.02chealoh wow, this quote rules
02:38.51chealanyone selling qotd-based artwork?
02:39.09nvzI thought when you did qotd0 it was show which qotd was being displayed
02:39.10scxI just can't get a simple dot into this "channel" without laugh
02:39.19scx(at least a smile)
02:39.22asgcheal: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune
02:39.28abrotmannvz: sometimes
02:39.30trymbob2: any ideas why that might not work ?
02:39.30abrotman!qotd0
02:39.30dpkg<MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night
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02:40.04bob2nope
02:40.15bob2using a vendor drivers is almost certainly a bad idea, tho
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02:41.13trymsure is.. ive tried :)
02:41.23trymill try doing an ethereal on the port 9100 to the printer ip
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02:42.13chealasg: cool
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02:44.24trymbob2: I see things happening on port 9100 to the printer ip.. but ethereal doesnt decode it
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02:48.04slackd00dasg: do you happen to know what the perl locale for english speakers living in the united states is?
02:48.17slackd00dopps....that was directed to anybody not asg
02:48.26abrotmandepends
02:49.00slackd00don what? or if you dont feel like explaining it maybe do you have a link to a webpage?
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02:49.12scxAnyone here has try Firefox-qt ?
02:49.34dondelelcaroslackd00d: it's not a perl locale, it's a real locale, and typically it's either en_US.UTF-8 or en_US.ISO8859-1
02:49.35lakcajscx, try #debian-kde maybe?
02:49.40brittAzar: ended up fixing my ssh problem, i have to use -Y instead of -X
02:49.48dondelelcaroslackd00d: regardless, whatever locale you're using, you need to build it using dpkg-reconfigure locales
02:49.55abrotmani didn't even have to .. dondelelcaro  beat me to it :)
02:50.18slackd00ddondelelcaro: ive tried those and i still get errors
02:50.32gaasfetanyone tried xorg + nvidia  + 2.6.11   ??
02:50.43slackd00dgaasfet: i have
02:50.44deadcatgaasfet: it works
02:50.46trymbob2: any ideas?
02:50.47abrotmanerrors ?
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02:50.58bob2trym: nope
02:51.04dondelelcaroslackd00d: uh, no... you quite clearly haven't. Regardless, give us the output perl -e 1; and the contents of /etc/locale.gen
02:51.51raden1there a command to dump mem ?
02:51.55trymbob2: ever heard of spl-c ?
02:52.06brittwhat files do I need to edit when i install samba to be able to use it successfully?
02:52.18britti already did inetd.conf
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02:52.24gaasfetdeadcat:  I used to compile the stuff from Nvidia but I don't have the kernel-source for 2.6.11 any tips?
02:52.58deadcat!tell gaasfet about nvidia one-liner
02:53.00slackd00dcontents of /etc/locale.gen is: en_US ISO-8859-1 en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
02:53.10slackd00dand perl -e 1 shows nothing
02:53.11mwilsonbritt: What would Samba have to do with inetd?  You don't want to run Samba out of inetd.
02:53.20oscrmyeranyone out there have debian installed on a mac mini?
02:53.45lakcajAnyone here from Canada looking for a Unix sysadmin job?  The federal government posted a job for one in Kingston, ON.
02:53.59brittmwilson: fo rthe swat config interface
02:54.12slackd00ddondelelcaro,  nd the error is here: http://pastebin.com/362183
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02:54.24mwilsonbritt: The package should have done that for you.
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02:55.12oscrmyercan anyone tell me how to install  a .deb that is not listed in the package source?
02:55.24mwilsonman dpkg
02:55.41slackd00ddpkg -i file.deb
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02:55.50gaasfetdeadcat:  that removes xorg?
02:55.52oscrmyerthank you slackd00d
02:55.59brittmwilson: well it didn't and my mac will notfully authenticate...should i reinstall?
02:56.07slackd00doscrmyer, also like mwilson said read man dpkg
02:56.07deadcatgaasfet: then i dont know. didnt remove mine.
02:56.13gaasfetk
02:56.21mwilsonbritt: "fully authenticate"?
02:56.24witlesswhat's the default mailer in sarge?
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02:56.38raden1if im on a interenal network is there a way to find our external address ?
02:56.40mwilsonwitless: You mean the default MTA?
02:56.43witlessyeah
02:56.45mwilsonwitless: exim4.
02:56.57brittmwilson: i get a prompt to enter username and pass but i cant proceed from there, just hangs....
02:57.06witlessthx.  is it one of the easier ones to configure?
02:57.14brittmwilson: not a apple problem, i can read my other windows computer just fine.
02:57.34mwilsonI said something about it being an "Apple" problem?
02:57.45abrotmani always blame Apple ...
02:58.01brittmwilson: i was just covering that base, to show that idid somediagnosing
02:58.03mwilsonWhat would the machine being a Mac have to do with it?
02:58.08oscrmyerI have not deb on my mac mini its rather nice
02:58.14abrotmanmwilson: one button!
02:58.36oscrmyerminus a lot of problems with getting the sound to work
02:58.46trymwhat might cause "SMB SHARED PRINTER (WINDOWS)" to be greyed out in kdes install printer interface?
02:58.53dondelelcaroslackd00d: if perl -e shows nothing, then the locales are built properly.
02:58.56brittmwilson: can you help me?
02:59.01mwilsontrym: Do you have Samba installed?
02:59.13mwilsonbritt: Define "just hangs" for me.
02:59.13trymmwilson: yup
02:59.24slackd00ddondelelcaro, i figured they were....but i still get locale errors for some reason
02:59.46slackd00dmust be the program....maybe?
03:00.01brittmwilson: busy icon appears, and continues to do so until process is restarted.
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03:00.06dondelelcaroslackd00d: either that or python's locale support
03:00.36brittmwilson: no traffic is exchanged....but the deb machine sees the connection as an active connection attempting to pull up $IPC sgare
03:00.40brittshare*
03:01.09slackd00dtrue
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03:04.09brittmwilson: anything...?
03:05.11mwilsonNah. I'd wonder if you've added whatever user it is to the password database, but that wouldn't affect swat.
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03:05.28zerovertexhi, This is seriously offtopic, but I'm sure someone in here has an answer. I am looking for advise on finding a college or university that has an IS/IT Network Security degree program that I can take online from home. I'm married with kids and a full time job but I'd like to get atleast a BS to further my career. Any suggestions?
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03:06.09brittmwilson: thanks anyway then :)
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03:16.57abrotman!moo
03:16.57dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
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03:19.13trymAny idea on where I can get a Debian package for samba 3.0.22 ?
03:19.28trym3.0.20, even
03:19.45Guerin!tell trym about search
03:20.16chealwell, Debian didn't package 3.0.20 yet
03:20.17trymGuerin... that package is not in testing
03:20.24trymexactly
03:20.34trymso Im looking for someone else that might have packaged it
03:21.09Guerintrym: backports.org, apt-get.org, or google
03:21.40abrotman!info samba
03:21.46dpkgsamba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.14a-6 (sid), Packaged size: 2463 kB, Installed size: 6392 kB
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03:22.06fazlacan you say a client to listen broadcast radio for linux?
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03:22.37trymGuerin: none of those have yielded results
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03:23.16Guerintrym: i guess nobody has packaged it, then
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03:23.29trymmaybe
03:23.30Guerinwhy do you need that version in particular?
03:23.39trymbecause it fixes issues between windows vista and samba
03:23.40Guerinit seems nobody else does
03:23.45Guerinhahah
03:23.48bob2windows vista exists?
03:23.50Guerinwindows vista?
03:23.50trymsamba doesnt work at all with windows vista
03:23.57trymyes.. Im running beta 1
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03:24.05Guerintrym: sucks to be you, then.
03:24.11trymnot really
03:24.16Guerintrym: build the source, if you're 'ard enough
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03:24.33trymI will have have to, if noone packages it
03:24.46trymbut samba source is a pain in the ass.. especially if you want to have things placed and put the debian way
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03:28.34mwilsontrym: Why would you be wasting your time running Windows Vista?
03:28.36looneybird_77590ok  things r lookin a bit better.  sound card up and going.   mic and volumn control in the main panel work fine.  the volumn control in the task bar wont work though. when you move it up it drops right back down.
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03:28.46Sebany Makefile specialists in here ? I wanna do the following: foo := bar/*   but have it actually glob on whichever files are in bar/
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03:29.07bob2wildcard bar/*
03:29.08bob2or something
03:29.20Sebhmm, $(bar/*) it seems
03:29.37Sebwhile writing my question I realized "globbing" was exactly what  Ineeded to ask google, hehe...
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03:30.31bob2hah
03:30.51Sebbob2: you were right, I needed $(wildcard bar/*) ;)
03:30.53Sebbob2: thx man
03:31.01Sebbob2: how's the apathy thing holding up ? :>
03:31.11bob2hah
03:31.26bob2I'm cutting and pasting vietnamese text I don't understand
03:31.29bob2I hope it's not rude
03:31.49looneybird_77590never mind   fixed it by removing and replacing
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03:32.11Sebbob2: :)
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03:48.10Entranced-->quick question here: I just dist-upgraded to Sid from Etch and now for some reason Gnome is loading up two gnome-panels at the start causing error... any idea on how to fix this ?
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03:48.41bob2does it affect other users?
03:49.14Entrancedit affects me... I'm the only user on that box...besides root
03:49.31GuerinEntranced: set up another user and test
03:49.36Entrancedk
03:49.47Guerinor you could just try moving your .gnome* dirs away
03:50.29EntrancedActually what has happened earlier today..I was using etch and I did dist-upgrade...that caused Gnome to be upgraded to 2.10
03:50.45bob2its probably just your session being fucked
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03:50.51bob2gnome doesn't tend to like upgrades much
03:51.03Entrancedafter that I had duplicate entries in the Applications/Debian menu
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03:51.48EntrancedDuplicates ticked me off
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03:52.16EntrancedI've googled and someone recommended removing gnome-menu (Big mistake on my part)
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03:52.52EntrancedAfter removing that is took down pretty much whole Gnome with it :)
03:52.58Guerinjust remove gnome, then reinstall it
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03:53.04EntrancedYeah
03:53.07Guerinor preferably, don't reinstall uit
03:53.10Entrancedthat is where the problem lies
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03:53.29EntrancedI had dependency issues
03:53.47bob2it's very likely just a ~/.gnome2 issue
03:53.51Entrancedgnome-desktop-environment <-- not there~!
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03:55.33EntrancedAfter the dependency problem I couldn't get the Gnome re-installed on Etch, soI decide to conver to Sid (which I planned on doing for a while, but never felt like doing it)
03:56.01EntrancedIt went pretty smoothly
03:56.09newzLOL
03:56.10newzLOL
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03:56.19Entrancedbut few little issues came up ..hehe
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03:58.13EntrancedDamit..I still have those damn duplicates!
03:59.01Guerinhttp://phated.kicks-ass.net:8084/images/
03:59.05Guerinbah
03:59.08Guerinstupid putty
03:59.18Guerinpastes on right-click, my bad
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04:00.34deadcatGuerin: putty? what the f
04:01.06Guerindeadcat: it's a ssh client
04:01.17Guerinthink about it for a few seconds and it might come to you
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04:01.32deadcatGuerin: never
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04:03.14seeeSit means guerin is running OS frmo the evil empire
04:03.51zenghello, I want to write a shell script to analyse data on another machine, I use ssh -f host cmd to do that. Now I want to write a here document instead of a single cmd, is it possible?
04:04.12EntrancedHmmm..  When I log in as a different user the problems are gone !
04:04.13GuerinseeeS: i'm not running windows. I'm just using it on someone else's computer
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04:05.20dawgthat's what they all say
04:05.50Entrancedbob2, Is there a way to fix my issue ? When loging in as a different user I have no issues with duplicate entries and 2 gnome-panels trying to lauch at once
04:06.14bob2Entranced: probably fix your gnome session then
04:06.21bob2Entranced: or just drop your gnome settings entirely
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04:07.06Entrancedbob2, how can I re-do the gnome settings altogether then ?
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04:07.20bob2logout of gnome
04:07.24Entranceddone
04:07.25bob2rm -r ~/.gnome2
04:07.52Entranced...and log back in ?
04:07.55deadcatbob2: i figured a way to display those chars on xterm.
04:08.03bob2yes
04:08.06bob2deadcat: yeah?
04:08.10Entrancedthnx
04:08.12deadcatbob2: printf "\033)0"
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04:08.34deadcatbob2: then try printf "\016aaaaaa\017"
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04:09.18deadcatbob2: that nothing did the trick (=
04:09.21itp560my nat tables are not get clean when I do a iptables -F, is there something else to do it ?
04:09.28deadcatbob2: something to do with tput smacs and tput rmacs
04:09.32bob2itp560: iptables -t nat -F
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04:11.16itp560bob2, thanks for it
04:11.33dafenhow to use kernel-patch-debian package?
04:11.46bob2dafen: what are you planning to do with it?
04:12.11dafenpatch my kernel-source
04:12.20Agrajag-my apt-get dist-upgrade in testing today wants to remove gnome gnome-desktop-environment - but it seems to be upgrading a whole lot of other gnome related stuff - is this what's supposed to happen?
04:12.31fazlacan you say a program to play ogg file  ?
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04:12.38bob2fazla: ogg123
04:12.39bob2xmms
04:12.40bob2cplay
04:12.42bob2all of them
04:12.52jpmercuryquick questions ok?
04:12.56bob2Agrajag-: just let it sit, 2.10 is coming into testing
04:13.12bob2dafen: why not just use the debian kernel source then?
04:13.13Entrancedhehe yeah
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04:13.20Agrajag-'sit' as in wait a day or so for other packages to make it in too?
04:13.27EntrancedAgrajag-, I hosed my system
04:13.27dafenit lacks something I need
04:13.42Entrancedkindof
04:13.43dafenfirst time try patch
04:13.54dafenso I bet you simply run patch/debian?
04:14.00dafensince it's excutable
04:14.21fazlashould i install extra packet to play ogg on xmms ?
04:14.23bob2Agrajag-: yeah
04:14.24jpmercuryq: i'm running debian testing. i want to pull in one or two packages from unstable but leave the rest at testing. easy to do?
04:14.34Agrajag-bob2: thanks
04:14.37bob2jpmercury: depends on how much stuff they Depend on
04:14.52bob2jpmercury: try pointing apt at sid, and see how amny packages "apt-get install whatever" would install
04:14.58jpmercurybob2: nothing as far as i can tell. its jackd 0.100 and the corresponding libjack
04:15.20fazlaxmms don't add ogg file to playlist
04:15.25fazlawhat should i do
04:15.26bob2jpmercury: cool
04:15.35bob2fazla: it adds them fine here
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04:15.39jpmercurybob2: is there a way to point @ sid without editing sources.list?
04:15.49britt_fazla: xmms should play ogg files
04:16.03seeeSdoesnt xmms need libogg installed first?
04:16.07fazlabritt_: it dont :s
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04:16.29seeeSah yes libogg is only a recommend
04:16.38bob2jpmercury: no
04:16.44bob2ah
04:17.05jpmercuryhrm.
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04:17.39jpmercuryi manually downloaded the .debs and ran 'dpkg -i libjack0.100.0-dev_0.100.0-4_i386.deb jackd_0.100.0-4_i386.deb'
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04:18.19dafenit has apply, debian,unapply , 3 directories
04:18.37jpmercurylibjack0.80.0-0 conflicts with jackd (>> 0.99.51-1)
04:18.38dafenI want to patch all of them
04:18.41jpmercury<PROTECTED>
04:18.56jpmercury.. and so on.. but no missing dependencies
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04:19.30bob2jpmercury: then you need to get rid of libjack0.80.0-0
04:19.35bob2which may or may not break other things
04:19.41bob2which is why letting apt do it would have been better
04:19.47jpmercuryyes, it'll break all my audio apps which depend on libjack
04:19.59jpmercuryso apt could resolve that but dpkg can't?
04:20.18Entrancedbob2, removing .gnome2/ fixed the gnome-panel issue...thnx
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04:20.44bob2jpmercury: dpkg knows nothing about making dependencies consistent
04:20.50bob2this is apt's job
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04:21.04bob2but if things need libjack0.80.0-0, you're screwed
04:21.14jpmercurygot it.
04:21.14setnfhi i need to get pcalc debian package, where can i found that ?
04:21.35dafenhow do you patch kernels with kernel-patch-debian package£¿
04:21.46dafenit seems not the same way of ordinary patching
04:22.11setnfit seems so that this package is not at list, i have downloaded this one for a long time ago.
04:22.11komtasanyone use raiserfs4 in debian
04:22.26setnfbut now i have not found that.
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04:22.58fazla:((
04:23.06fazlahow will i play ogg file
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04:23.14bob2ogg123
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04:23.21jpmercurythanks, bob2
04:23.23nvzapt-get install vorbis-tools
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04:23.57setnfdafen, any idea ?
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04:24.56dafennope
04:24.59dafenstill can't figure out
04:25.11setnfyea me also
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04:25.33setnfi've got a .tar.gz that doesn't works
04:25.37nvzI am not sure, but I've heard others speculate that it may only handle debianized patches
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04:27.00dafenlol
04:27.04dafensetnf.... exactly
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04:27.11dafenI think the trick is to run apply
04:27.20dafenbut hack, I see no documents tell you how to patch them....
04:27.39setnfuh?
04:27.43dafendespite the fact that I run it in kernel-source root directory
04:28.30EntrancedHey bob2 ... Any ideas on how to remove duplicate entries from the "Applications/Debian" menu ? I still have 2 icons pre application...
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04:29.22bob2nope
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04:29.28EntrancedThnx
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04:30.20MoodGladeGalI'm tryin to use the Matrix screensaver and get an error "Xlib extension 'GLX' missing on display. glmatrix display 0.0 does not support the GLX extention.  Any ideas?
04:31.20bob2what video card?
04:31.51dafenyo setnf
04:31.57fazlaGeneral error: HXR_UNEXPECTED (0x80040009)
04:32.02dafenI've read something, that they say if you use debian kernel-source
04:32.04fazlahave you any idea ?
04:32.06dafenthe patching is not neccessary
04:32.11dafenI don't know if it's true
04:32.13MoodGladeGalAn Nvidia card
04:32.25MoodGladeGalwas working before I did a kernel upgrade
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04:32.30nvzhow do you narrow down the source of bugs like that.. to even know what to report? like that could be menu, or it could be some DE or WM componant or anything making them appear twice. when bugs could come from many different packages its hard to say what to report. like that issue that effected removable media in KDE. related to famd, kdeinit, konqueror..etc
04:32.30setnfdafen, ;)
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04:33.15chealerMoodGladeGal, you have to recompile a kernel module
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04:33.32MoodGladeGalwhat one?
04:33.35chealernvidia
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04:33.52MoodGladeGalso include it in the kernel?
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04:34.21bob2MoodGladeGal: no
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04:34.36bob2MoodGladeGal: if you install the binary-only nvidia drivers, you need to rebuild them everytime you change the kernel
04:34.46nvzas greasy as that was I almost thought it was a real Philly Cheese Stake, but it was a picksburgh cheestake
04:35.00bob2nvz: generally I'd try asking pepole who know about the whole susbsystem
04:35.07bob2nvz: e.g. on the debian-kde list
04:35.18MoodGladeGalAll I did was slected a 2.6 kernel with apitude
04:35.27bemused0speaking of which sorry to interrupt, anyone know an apt source that has something newer than the nvidia 7174?
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04:35.29newzwhat conf resolution , X ?
04:35.31nvzbob2: yeah I asked kde in that case.. I guess thats what all these people who are comming in with duplicate menus have to do as well
04:35.37newzplease.
04:35.39nvzbob2: after all it worked for me..
04:35.46looneybird_77590wheres a good starting point to go, for nvidia installiation
04:35.47bob2MoodGladeGal: yes, yay for proprietary drivers
04:35.53setnfdafen, probally you need to concetrate at questions before try to answer as well.
04:35.56bob2bemused0: packages.debian.org
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04:36.14bemused0looneybird_77590, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html
04:36.18bob2looneybird_77590: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner
04:36.30newzplease
04:36.31newz?????
04:36.41bemused0bob2, is it in unstable or stable?
04:36.45bob2newz: I don't think anyone understands your question
04:36.50bob2newz: what's your native language?
04:36.52looneybird_77590ok thanx
04:36.55bob2bemused0: hm?
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04:37.16bemused0bob2, ive got that in my sources list, but it thinks i'm up to date, which is why i ask :)
04:37.23newzxD
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04:37.24bob2got *what*?
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04:37.52bemused0oh lol, sorry http.us.debian.org/debian/
04:38.02bemused0sposed to have the newest nvidia right?
04:38.39bob2no
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04:38.46bob2what have you pointed apt at?
04:38.53bemused0that
04:38.54killfill_hey.. anyone got a NEtGear 511T?...
04:38.59killfill_i just broght one.
04:39.03killfill_and im comparing with my intel2100..
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04:39.12killfill_and the intel one gets sooo more signal.
04:39.12bob2no, you don't
04:39.15killfill_im disapointed. :-(
04:39.22bob2you have it pointed at some particular portion of that repository
04:39.53bemused0oh stable main contrib non-free
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04:40.06bob2so, stable
04:40.11bob2which won't have been updated for months
04:40.15bemused0indeed :)
04:40.18bemused0i tried unstable as well
04:40.20bemused0no dice
04:40.24bob2oh well
04:40.32setnfhi i need to get pcalc debian package, where can i found that ?
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04:41.26bemused0last time i used unstable on my main source (my debian mirror) wonky things happened
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04:43.15SmerdyakovDoes anyone know a good way to provide a copy of one part of the filesystem in other location, in read-only mode?
04:43.58maherSmerdyakov: (s)shfs
04:44.05bob2bind mounts
04:44.08bob2mount --bind
04:44.47Smerdyakovbob2, Someone in #linpeople just told me that 'mount --bind' can't change read-only status.  Was he wrong?
04:44.48maherbob2: you can't change rw to rw with that
04:44.56maherbob2: you can't change rw to ro with that
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04:45.38bob2it depends on the kernel version
04:45.40Smerdyakovmaher, hm... another solution that uses sockets.  Doesn't seem ideal.
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04:45.52bob2I thought modern ones could
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04:46.18bob2and I'm wrong
04:46.22bob2sorry about that
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04:47.53maherSmerdyakov: its not ideal - what would be ideal would be to fix mount so you could moutn stuff ro
04:48.05SimonRaven-o ro
04:48.24bob2hah
04:48.30bob2that requires VFS changes, iirc
04:48.44SimonRaven-o bind,ro e.g.
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04:49.49maherSimonRaven: that doesn't work
04:50.35SimonRaven*shrug*. just a thought. i've done it, but i did remount as well
04:50.41MoodGladeGalbob2  I jsut updated to another nvidia-kernel, same issue
04:51.04bob2I don't know what that means
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04:51.13bob2it won't work until you actually rebuild it for your new kernel
04:51.49MoodGladeGalsorry... I don't follow.
04:52.25bemused0woo hah
04:52.29bemused0i found it at least
04:52.43SmerdyakovSimonRaven, you've successfully had the same directory tree mounted in two locations, where one is read-only and the other isn't?
04:53.17SimonRavenno, that you can't do. need vfs changes (like bob2 said), and changes to mount to do that
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04:53.53SimonRavenyou *might* be able to do it via 2 "real" entries in fstab, but i'm not sure if that'll work
04:53.57SimonRavene.g.
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04:54.23SmerdyakovWell, it works with NFS, with the "small" problem that NFS is flakey enough to guarantee some downtime dealing with it, even with only localhost-to-localhost directories.
04:54.39SmerdyakovSimonRaven, at the moment, the tree I want to replicate is not on a dedicated partition.
04:54.55SimonRaventhen you're pretty much fucked :/
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04:55.02RoundQubehello all
04:55.08SimonRaven(or do it via nfs, but that has issues of its own)
04:55.18bemused0MoodGladeGal, i think bob2 means recompiling the sourcepackage with make-kpkg modules_image and so forth after your new kernel is loaded and running
04:55.18nite613_Smerdyakov: you might be able to do that using unionfs
04:55.32RoundQubei can't seem to find the serial module in the ../drivers/serial kernel source. I cannot find where to enabe it in make menuconfig either. Any ideas?
04:56.33RoundQubei've selected all the serial components i can and ran make modules && make modules_install but modprobe serial returns no such kernel module
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04:57.10tcsetattrit seems there is no longer a module named "serial.o", probably because it has been renamed to relfect the more specific type of serial port that it actually supports
04:57.40RoundQubehmm which one do I need to enable? i've tried them all actually
04:57.57RoundQubeim trying to interface to a cisco 7206 router which uses a db25 -> db9 cable
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04:58.36tcsetattrif it's the common PC-style serial port, you need the 8250 module
04:58.47justin420hi, anybody able to help me with mounting my 2 current windows partitions?? is "mount -t vfat /dev/hdxx /mnt/dosdrive" the right way to go or is there a better way??
04:59.02xerophyteis there any program does the svn and cvs kind of stuff merging two people work together .. i mean two people working menu file and i wanna take both menu file and merge them is there anyway i can do it
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04:59.10RoundQubejustin420: thats correct
04:59.23tcsetattrmy guess is that it used to be called the "serial" driver because that was the first type of serial port to be supported in the early days of Linux. Now that there are dozens of different serial ports supported, it isn't fair to let one of them claim the name "serial"
04:59.26vladuz976_debian still uses the xfree86 in sarge?
04:59.50bemused0vladuz976_, yes but theres a backport available for xorg which works perfectly for me and many others
04:59.54cesaris there anyway to make rhythmbox take more "precedence"? my music stutters whenever my computer needs to do any work, this doesn't happen with winamp.
05:00.11vladuz976_bemused0, so installl sarge and then add to sources?
05:00.13justin420RoundQube: should I worry about unmounting the drive(s) when I shut down?? Probably yes... right??
05:00.23vladuz976_bemused0, i haven't even installed it now
05:00.49bemused0ya you'd want to install and update before doing the backport
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05:01.24RoundQubejustin420: if you set the mount option in /etc/fstab then linux will automatically umount those partitions for you upon reboot
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05:02.04RoundQubetcsetattr: i get this error now...
05:02.20RoundQubehelium:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.8# modprobe 8250
05:02.20RoundQubeWARNING: Error inserting serial_core (/lib/modules/2.6.11.8/kernel/drivers/serial/serial_core.ko): Invalid module format
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05:02.39justin420RoundQube: thanks alot.... appreaciate the help. I am going to try and see if I can mount my windows partitions now... thanks again!! :)
05:02.39nvzcesar: winamp preferences have a cpu usage settings
05:02.40skel_homeif my hd supports it, how would I tell the temp of it?
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05:02.55RoundQubejustin420: np
05:02.56nvzcesar: winamp isnt in debian however, but XMMS similar program is
05:02.58skel_homeis there a proc interface for that?
05:03.17nvzcesar: in linux we can adjust cpu usage as well with what are called 'nice' levels
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05:03.43kevin06I know this is not red hat, but do any packages offer chkconfig and service?
05:03.48cesarhow do i do that
05:03.54cesari just want the music not to hiccup
05:03.59bemused0vladuz976_, the easiest way would be to add:'  http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main ' to your apt sources.list and then run apt-get update, and apt-get install xserver-xorg
05:04.12bemused0oh they quit nvm
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05:04.54nvzcesar: you would use a process manager or the renice program
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05:05.27nvzcesar: wouldnt hurt to find out whats actually going wrong though
05:05.28justin420RoundQube: there is no such directory as "/etc/fstab" ?? I am pretty sure it is installed....
05:05.41tcsetattrnon-root users can't raise process priority though. you can only lower your priority
05:05.59Eclipserhumm, would removing /var/www and symlinking it to /home/eclipser/public_html be a good idea?-p (or do I need to modify apache confs so that /home/eclipser/public_html would be default and others still accessible through ~username?)
05:06.00RoundQubejustin420: fstab is the file its in /etc
05:06.05nvzcesar: may not be that at all... maybe you have a slow hdd interface with a slow 5400RPM hd and the shitty DB access in rhythm box is killing it
05:06.24skel_homeEclipser: apache supports public html homedirs
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05:06.40justin420RoundQube: ooooook.... but would i still not type it the same way??? /etc/fstab
05:06.42skel_homeEclipser: so you could just have a public_html in your ~ and do localhost/~eclipser
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05:06.54bob2Eclipser: it'd be simpler to just copy what you want to /var/www
05:06.55skel_homeEclipser: no need to wipe /var/www
05:06.55Eclipserskel_home, I know but I want my page to be accessible through eclipser.no-ip.org
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05:07.00bob2Eclipser: it's safe to chown that dir to you if you like
05:07.00RoundQubejustin420: you have to edit the file with an editor like vi, ie: vi /etc/fstab
05:07.06nvzcesar: I much prefer amarok to rythmbox in the severly over-bloated music player category.. its got way more and better features and works better IMHO
05:07.13RoundQubejustin420: man fstab  <-- read this before you go hacking that file
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05:07.20cesarim playing music off a mount
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05:07.23skel_homeso anyone know how to check the temp on a HD?
05:07.26RoundQubels
05:07.27cesarmounted windows drive
05:07.29justin420RoundQube: ok thanks, off to do some reading
05:07.31tabris|awayskel_home: SMART
05:07.35bob2skel_home: perhaps smart can tell you
05:07.37RoundQubejustin420: np
05:07.48skel_hometabris|away / bob2: ok thanks :)
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05:08.41Eclipserbob2, so I could chown /var/www and symlink my public_html there?-p
05:08.53bob2Eclipser: no, just chown it
05:09.08bob2leave ~/public_html alone, it's handy to dump stuff in
05:09.14BhaalWKIs there a linux command that will give me a parent PID of another process?
05:09.37dafenit seems that testing release is now slow on kernel
05:09.39RoundQubeyou can try pstree and follow it up i guess
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05:09.49Eclipser/var/www is somehow in an hard place to get to :)
05:09.54RoundQubemy gcc is broken after upgrading :(
05:09.55BhaalWKhrm
05:09.55dafenand kernel-source in unstable are so conflicting with my teseting packages
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05:10.05RoundQubemake-kpkg cleaneven returns errors
05:10.07cesarcould playing music off a windows mounted drive be the issue?
05:10.24bob2RoundQube: you realise no one else can see your screen, right?
05:10.40RoundQubewhy?
05:10.57bob2RoundQube: so when you say "make-kpkg cleaneven returns errors", no one else knows what you mean?
05:11.02skel_homeRoundQube: he means you need to give details
05:11.08RoundQubeoh
05:11.25RoundQubehelium:/usr/src/linux# make-kpkg clean
05:11.26RoundQubedebian/rules:1623: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again..  Stop.
05:11.34cesarcome on gays
05:11.43skel_homecesar: I doubt it
05:11.51bob2cesar: please?
05:12.15bob2RoundQube: what does 'dpkg-architecture' print out? (#flood)
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05:12.26bemused0cesar, just a guess, is the windows hd mounted w/ the sync option
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05:12.43skel_homecesar: you could use your brain and move one mp3 to your local drive and play it from there to see if it still has the same symptoms
05:12.53cesarlol
05:13.01dondelelcaroRoundQube: that sounds like dpkkg --print-architecture; isn't working
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05:13.09cesari just installed amarok and there's 50 thousand errors in the terminal
05:13.10bob2ah, wrong command
05:13.16cesaralthough it's still running
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05:13.21cesarwhy dont linux developers fix these issues?
05:13.31bemused0lol
05:13.37bob2cesar: hahaha
05:13.39RoundQubecesar: why dont you fix it?
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05:13.47skel_homecesar: why dont you report a bug?
05:13.57skel_homecesar: btw, linux is the kernel genius
05:13.58cesarthere's way more than one bug here
05:14.12bemused0at least 50thousand?
05:14.18cesarwhat's a kernel?
05:14.24skel_homecesar: how do you know its not a conflict with your hardware?
05:14.30RoundQubeanyone bob2, the kernel isn't my main problem since i can compile serial as a module
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05:14.50RoundQubebob2: it just wont load, modprobe 8250 returns WARNING: Error inserting serial_core (/lib/modules/2.6.11.8/kernel/drivers/serial/serial_core.ko): Invalid module format
05:14.51cesarmy hardware seems fine..
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05:14.53RoundQubeFATAL: Error inserting 8250 (/lib/modules/2.6.11.8/kernel/drivers/serial/8250.ko): Invalid module format
05:14.57skel_homecesar: the brain of your gnu/linux free os
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05:15.14bob2RoundQube: that means you built it wrong
05:15.14cesari have a dual boot
05:15.29bob2RoundQube: make-kpkg isn't going to help you build a single module
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05:15.43cesardamn son
05:15.45cesaramarok is confusing
05:15.49bemused0hey bob2 found that nvidia pkg btw, no repositories have it ;/
05:15.52RoundQubebob2: unrelated, i built the modules with make modules && make modules_install
05:16.02bemused0anyone use zbrush2?
05:16.05skel_homecesar: how do you know? it could be a conflict with the driver for your mixer, or another package.. it could be complaining about sampling rates.. maybe you have a sound daemon causing problems.. who knows.. aside from you over simplifying it and saying "lol its broke'
05:16.05RoundQubebob2: i've set all serial components in my kernel as [M]
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05:16.54RoundQubebob2: i'm not so much considered with the make-kpkg anymore that was a side note, im trying to get my serial port working so that I can work on this router
05:17.03cesarlol
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05:17.31bob2RoundQube: that may or may not work
05:17.33RoundQubei've googled for the make-kpkg error and it seems gcc is broken in the latest debian, so we wait
05:17.35cesarragnarok is being weird
05:17.38bob2not all moduels can be built independendantly
05:17.55RoundQubebob2: hmm i didnt know that. what are my options to get the serial working?
05:18.03cesaris soulseek available for debian?
05:18.16cesari intend to download only uncopyrighted material
05:18.33bob2cesar: yes
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05:18.45bob2RoundQube: just using a Debian kernel-image is the simplest solution
05:18.56RoundQubeok
05:19.00quad3dxis there a apt command to check what stuff is instaleld?
05:19.38bob2no
05:19.45cesarhEy GuYz how CUM this .exe wont worK?
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05:19.47bob2dpkg --get-selections | grep install$
05:19.50bob2cesar: stop being annoying
05:20.15cesarok, as a sequitur to my previous question, how can i obtain soulseek?
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05:20.24TraceGreenhello, Is largest image file size which created by partimage just only 2 G?
05:20.31bemused0nicotine.
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05:20.53Eclipserhmpf, now I broke my apache :p
05:20.56dafenwhen isntall ipw2200-modules-2.6.8
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05:21.08dafenit says ieee80211-modules-2.6.8 is not installed
05:21.12dafenwhy is that?
05:21.21dafenI got iee80211-source
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05:21.33dafenand use module assistant to isntall ipw2200
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05:21.44quad3dxbob2, thanks
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05:22.10cesari wanna download the new chemical romance song
05:22.15chealdafen: did you try installing ieee80211 with m-a?
05:22.15RoundQubethanks bob2, ill go attempt a fix
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05:22.23cesarok lets try nicotine
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05:22.33dafenI don't think ma has ieee80211
05:22.44cesaroh, only a couple of screens of errors this time
05:23.04cesarwhat's a GtkDeprecationWarning?
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05:23.24dafendoes m-a has ieee80211 options in it?
05:23.29dafenI only see ipw2200
05:23.36Eclipserfunny, apache2ctl doesn't seem to work properly, but /etc/init.d/apache2 start does
05:23.50chealdafen: you could read ieee80211-source's description
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05:24.04dafenhow?
05:24.08dafenit's packed as gz
05:24.09kregany know what would of installed the command uuidgen?  port 697 is listening on my host, and i don't know what it is for.
05:24.18quad3dxcourier-imap                                    deinstall that means that pkg is not in system right?
05:24.38jm_kreg: /msg dpkg search
05:24.39quad3dxdid ps and the process still shows up
05:25.05bob2apache2ctl doesn't do anything useful on debian
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05:25.18chealdafen: so what? did you try m-a a-i ieee80211?
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05:25.55cesarwhy doesnt nicotine work? it's not connecting, and the connect option is gray
05:25.57kregjm_, yep, apt doesn't know.  it does not return a result
05:26.18otaku42hi all. i have a problem with my debian (3.0) installation, maybe someone in here could help me. description:
05:26.18otaku42i have a box which is still running on 3.0 and should not be upgraded by now.
05:26.18otaku42sources.list was pointing to "stable" release, which of course isn't 3.0 anymore. I didn't notice that, until I tried to install a new package via apt-get.
05:26.18otaku42apt-get reported dependancy problems (libc6 and others) and wanted to do a major upgrade. I aborted, edited sources.list and replaces "stable" by "woody" in the hope to solve this problem.
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05:26.25dafentired
05:26.26dafenerror
05:26.26otaku42The next step was "apt-get update", then "apt-get install <package>".
05:26.28otaku42Installation of any new package now fails with the following message:
05:26.30otaku42Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
05:26.34otaku42<PROTECTED>
05:26.36otaku42<PROTECTED>
05:26.40otaku42E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
05:26.42otaku42"apt-get -f install" suggests to remove tons of packets, which seems like a bad idea.
05:26.43dafeninstallation of the ieee80211-source source failed.
05:26.44otaku42"dpkg --list" indicates for libc6-dev and libdb1-compat:
05:26.48otaku42iU  libc6-dev      2.3.2.ds1-22 [...]
05:26.50otaku42iU  libdb1-compat  2.1.3-7 [...]
05:26.52otaku42which, from my understanding, means that these packages are scheduled for an update. now my question: how can i fix this, other than performing the upgrade to debian 3.1? is there any way to make dpkg "forget" about the upgrade for the two mentioned updates?
05:26.59dafenignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives
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05:27.11chealotaku42: thank dafen for breaking your autokick
05:27.18bob2otaku42: do not do that again or you will be removed from the channel
05:27.19jm_kreg: since when can apt search for files?
05:27.31dafenso cheal?
05:27.46otaku42cheal, bob2: roger that. sorry.
05:27.58bob2otaku42: woody is older than sarge
05:28.00bob2otaku42: by many years
05:28.08bob2bah
05:28.17kregjm_, well, ok you know what mean.  "dpkg"
05:28.32bob2otaku42: you're half way to sarge, point your sources.list at stable again and finish the upgrade
05:28.40jm_kreg: no, dpkg definitely knows about it if it's on the system
05:29.25cesarwhy is nicotine connect grayed out
05:29.26otaku42bob2: i'm well aware that woody is stone-aged, that's the point for this particular box - it's a wanted feature for it. hence i want to avoid the upgrade at any costs.
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05:29.41bob2otaku42: going back is not going to be simple
05:29.45bob2or perhaps no even possible
05:29.53chealdafen: did you read the README.Debian?
05:30.14otaku42bob2: well, there was no installation of new packages done so far, nor have old packages been removed from what i can say.
05:30.15dafenwhatever, I used make-kpkg modules_image
05:30.18dafenlol,
05:30.32chealotaku42: libc6-dev      2.3.2.ds1-22 isn't from woody
05:30.40__seb__hi
05:30.42cesarthe new weezer album is awesome
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05:30.48bob2otaku42: look at the error
05:30.52bob2what cheal said
05:30.55cesarhello, why wont nicotine connect
05:31.12bob2otaku42: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood, along with "apt-cache policy libc6" and "... libc6-dev"
05:31.26dafenthe one in modules are the same as those optioned as [M] in kernel, right?
05:31.46otaku42cheal: from what i understood that's the version to upgrade libc6-dev to. is that idea wrong?
05:31.51otaku42bob2: will be done, hold on
05:32.09chealotaku42: no. but looking closer, it seems it's not installed yet
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05:32.23chealotaku42: is removing libc6-dev possible?
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05:32.58chealdafen: I suppose
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05:33.08chealdafen: so, you're running a custom kernel?
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05:33.21dafenyep
05:33.30dafenok, I got it
05:33.31cesarcome on someone help me
05:33.43dafenit seems that the packages in testing are working together ok
05:33.57dafenbut last time I compiled kernel 2.6.12.5 from kernel.org, then hell broken loose
05:34.07dafenthe modules conflicts helly...
05:34.47cesaris there some kind of settings screen for amarok? how do i turn off the autofade?
05:34.53otaku42bob2: done
05:34.56dafenespecially with 80211-source from testing distribu
05:34.57chealcesar: ask #debian-kde or #amarok
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05:35.01otaku42cheal: didn't try yet
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05:35.07johnwhat is the command to shut off power save/screen saver, i 'thought' it was xset -s and xset -dpms?
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05:35.08bob2otaku42: sudo apt-get install libc6-dev=2.2.5-11.8
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05:35.15__seb__is anybody help me with debian sarge, GraphViz + ghostscript and russian unicode text labels in GraphViz dot file ?
05:35.20bob2john: xset dpms forceoff, or so
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05:36.28Langly2#lessdisks
05:36.35Langly2oops
05:36.38Langly2sorry
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05:36.59__seb__iam using GraphViz with unicode text in it dot file - jpeg looking good but i cant create pdf - all russian text look strange :(
05:37.03cesarhow do i update all the apt packages?
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05:37.28otaku42bob2: see #flood
05:37.31johncesar: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get autoclean // or so i think that's what you mean
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05:38.50bob2otaku42: that's quite messed up
05:38.52dondelelcarootaku42: yes, you've definetly installed packages from sarge... that's where libc6 is from.
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05:39.36dondelelcarootaku42: you might as well run sarge at this point as you're half way there and security support for woody will be going away shortly anyway.
05:39.46analiserIn addition, Debian was the Linux of choice for a Space Shuttle mission back in 1997.
05:39.53analiser<PROTECTED>
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05:40.01otaku42bob2, dondelelcaro: damn.
05:40.03analiseri love this stuff
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05:40.20bob2it should be recoverable
05:40.22bob2but not easily
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05:40.45cesaranaliser: did it give lots of Gtk-WARNING's ?
05:40.46otaku42dondelelcaro: i know about the security problems with the old release. the idea of this box is to have an older distribution at hands for testing some of the stuff i'm working on.
05:40.49dafenwonder if there's any wireless tools that will automatically detects the suitable network, and connects automatically in linux
05:41.12dafeneverytime, Ihave to manually config... at school or at home, worst part is that, our school has 2 system of wifi connection
05:41.26otaku42dondelelcaro: hence i wanted to avoid to upgrade there, and also wanted to avoid to reinstall the whole box since there's a lot of custom stuff on it.
05:41.43dondelelcarootaku42: so do the testing in a chroot like you should really being doing in the first place...
05:42.03dondelelcarootaku42: debootstrap and cdebootstrap can still debootstrap woody, as can pbuilder
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05:42.51otaku42bob2: hmm, i see. maybe upgrading then is the better option, along with the hint given by dondelelcaro. *sigh*
05:43.27otaku42dondelelcaro: anything i need to take care of when upgrading? i have some manually installed packages running, i guess i need to recompile and reinstall them due to the libc6 change?
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05:43.34JamsiAnyone know how to allow a certain IP address through the proxy, without being asked to login or any restrictions?
05:43.39JamsiSquid thati s.
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05:44.11cesardoes anyone use nicotine here? why don't any of these programs ever work?
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05:44.50cheal!tell cesar about anyone
05:45.13analisercesar, sorry??
05:45.13dondelelcarootaku42: well, if you built the packages properly, they shouldn't need to be rebuilt at all.
05:45.26cesarok, as I've stated in the last 10 messages, nicotine will not let me connect. The connect option is gray, and at the bottom it says "offline".
05:46.14otaku42dondelelcaro: packages are not .debs in that case, sorry for the confusion. i was talking about stuff i manually installed via "configure; make; make install" to /usr/local, bypassing apt-get and friends.
05:46.16jm_Jamsi: yes, a lot of people do
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05:47.49litagewhat sort of a router supports 4 subnets?
05:48.16Jamsijm_ care to give an example?
05:48.20bob2all of them, I'd hope
05:48.29bob2linux could trivially route between 4 subnets
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05:48.44jm_Jamsi: read the docs, and add an ACL entry for the host
05:48.46analiser4 subnets..
05:48.51cesar:*(
05:49.09Langly2arrgh
05:49.26Langly2I cannot get dchp3-server to start
05:49.38Langly2I configured dhcp fine before I upgraded
05:49.48Langly2cant seem to get dhcp3 correct
05:49.57dondelelcarootaku42: that would be part and parcel of building them "properly"... but in any case, they should still work.
05:50.12Langly2ive already looked, but any good example files to follow out there on the web
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05:50.32dondelelcarootaku42: anyway, good luck with that.
05:50.47otaku42dondelelcaro: ok, i guess i will try that then. we'll see if i'm lucky enough or not, that box is several kilometers away from me...
05:51.13otaku42dondelelcaro: thanks :) is there any document available on performing the upgrade, along with tips regarding things that need to be considered?
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05:51.36otaku42dondelelcaro: it's been some time since i did an upgrade via apt-get for a live box...
05:51.51Sashihey
05:51.58tcsetattrotaku42, that sort of document is usally called "RELEASE NOTES". And yes, there is a release notes document for Debian 3.1, it's not hard to find
05:52.00Sashii still cant get my res higher :(
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05:52.34analiserjeje Ctrl+Alt+Supr dont work ijijijij
05:52.37stumbleshi, having trouble with grub booting - it won't boot using menu.lst but will when given the same parameters manually. The error msg is:
05:52.38stumblesFilesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
05:52.38stumbleskernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/sda2 ro
05:52.38stumblesError 17: Cannot mount selected partition
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05:53.06jm_stumb;including the same root(foo,bar) line?
05:53.16jm_ahh of course he's not here ...
05:53.22analiserthe ps -fea , kill procces dont like
05:53.36otaku42tcsetattr: ok, thanks.
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05:54.20Jamsijm_ My searches are coming up blank. Do you happen to know the access list variable name?
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05:54.40gantoohey man
05:54.43stumbleswoops sorry bout the flood
05:54.48Jamsihttp_access allow 192.168.0.5 ?
05:54.52gantooim possibly THE best thing on the internet
05:55.10jm_Jamsi: huh? did you go to the squid web page and checked their Wiki or the configuration manual? they both cover ACL-s
05:55.18gantoonot yet
05:55.22gantooshould i?
05:55.35gantooi ran a dyalisis on the thermostat and got negative 2.3
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05:55.47jm_you first define an acl, then tell it to allow those hosts
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05:56.48stumblesi'll paste my grub error msg into #flood if anyone would care to take a look :)
05:57.11yarddoghow do i define changes in the apt-cache repositories priorities?
05:57.22yarddoghow do i make the changes?
05:57.33yarddogapt-cache policy
05:57.36bob2yarddog: man apt_preferences
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05:58.01piquihow's it going everyone
05:59.01piquiI am curious...how do I fix my screen from being so jittery, I have a ATI 9800 graphics card using KDE 3.3, and the graphics are fine but i can see light bouncing in the monitor, anyone have any ideas? Thank yoU!
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05:59.20Langly2will dhcp3 allow me to change the netmasks to the same ones I had used on dhcp before it, or should I use its default ones?
05:59.21bemused0piqui: higher refresh rates
05:59.51piquihmm okay
05:59.53cesarholy crap amarok is awesome
05:59.54piquihow do I set that?
05:59.58seeeSlangly2: the netmask is whatever you tell dhcp3 to make it
06:00.15piquigreatly appreciate your help by the way
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06:00.23ozzloyhi, i'm trying to use gimp-print to print on a mac.  this web page says it is supported, but i can't actually print to the added printer.  help please.  http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php3
06:00.23Langly2seeeS ok just wanted to rule that out as to why it wouldnt start
06:00.54ozzloys/hi/ack/g
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06:01.24bemused0piqui, you'd wanna add an appropriate modeline in your xorg.conf (or xf86config) but i'm guessing you might wanna use something simpler...have  you run  through xf86config steps before?
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06:04.01Sashihey
06:04.03Sashiive tried everything
06:04.08Sashiand cant get my resoultion higher
06:05.03Langly2grr I cant find my log for dhcp3 even read syslog.cong
06:05.07Langly2.conf
06:05.16yarddogbob2, thanks
06:05.17Cokeozzloy: what printing system do you have installed? cups or bsd lpd?
06:05.21Langly2nothing specific to dhcp
06:05.29Langly2where would it be by default
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06:07.03ozzloyCoke, mac os 10.4, so cups i think
06:07.12stumbleswhat command would give me a nice printout of partitions on all my drives?
06:07.31jm_stumbles: cat, fdisk, sfdisk
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06:07.41ozzloythe printer is hp officejet k80xi
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06:07.54stumblesthanks jm_
06:08.23ozzloystumbles, fdisk -l
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06:09.40mEEgoHello, i trashed grub, and im  trying to re install it, can this be done with the debian sarge install cd ?
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06:09.58SimonRavensure. just chroot to it
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06:11.52ozzloymEEgo, if that wasn
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06:11.56ozzloywoops
06:12.08ozzloymEEgo nm
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06:13.04mEEgoSimonRaven: i tried to exec a shell in the install cd, after chrooting, what should i do, im  kinda new to grub, alwyas used lilo,
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06:13.18Cokeozzloy: ok. there might be a misconfigure with cups.
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06:13.39mEEgoim using right now, auditors live cd, i just chrooted to the root parttition
06:13.39SimonRavenjust run update-grub. easy enough
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06:14.01jm_grub-install
06:14.10AzarI never used grub, word goes by users that is great comparing to lilo: what exactly is the difference?
06:14.34mEEgofantastic, 'update-grub' is some debian command right, didnt saw it on grub manuals
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06:14.51vladuz976can someone help me with installation
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06:15.12vladuz976i installed sarge but after that and booting screen just black
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06:15.18ozzloyCoke: i downloaded the ppd file offered by the website and tried to use that as the driver. how would i config the CUPsd?
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06:15.40Azarvaltuz976 you are in a text only terminal your job has just started
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06:16.16wayne_glade to see the #debianers
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06:16.22Azarvalduz976 how black? no command line?
06:16.28vladuz976Azar, no i finished all i have the dvd, gdm and gnome kde is insalled but cant see anything
06:16.44Cokeozzloy: using the debconf system
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06:16.57vladuz976Azar, black as in can`t see anything
06:17.08Azarvalduz976, there might be a monitor thing
06:17.14mEEgoSimonRaven: isnt update-grub for upating the menu file _ or something, or  it also install grub on the mbr, if isnt therE?
06:17.30vladuz976Azar, yeah i dunno the exact refresh rates for mine
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06:18.28Azarit looks like a video driver rebellion, why don't you try to install base only? no X kde, did gnome at all first
06:18.42ozzloycoke: actually this is on a mac.  i know this isn't the mac channel, but i'm getting help anywhere i can
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06:19.08vladuz976Azar, how do i add backports so i can get xorg on there?
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06:19.15wayne_anyone use the freetype-2 ?
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06:19.50SimonRavenmEEgo: yeh. oh, hmm, maybe it's grub-install... it's one of those ;). i don't remember now, sorry
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06:19.51Azarvalduz976, my way of installation is first, base only, next kernel upgrade, next, X installation, next video driver upgrade, only last will come kde OR gnome
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06:20.18Azarvalduz976 I only talk sarge, I will get xorg maybe next year
06:20.39vladuz976Azar, what are the differences?
06:21.06Azarvalduz976 xorg is not going to work with the stable (Sarge) version, use xfree
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06:21.20bemused0azar: i use xorg on sarge, works great :)
06:21.32wayne_FT_Set_Char_Size it didn't work right ...
06:21.38vladuz976bemused0, what are the differences?
06:21.40Azarbemused0 I am glad you made it, I am too chicken
06:21.46Cokeozzloy: basically, I just installed it and followed instructions and then it worked, so...
06:21.54bemused0azar: google norbert tretkowski xorg backport
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06:22.17piquithanks alot bemused0 your help is much appreciated
06:22.21bemused0azar http://www.inittab.de/blog/
06:22.26Cokeozzloy: I have no idea how OSX works which makes it a tad difficult for me to guess.
06:22.26bemused0piqui, np
06:22.27Azarbemused0, great tip thank you
06:22.53bemused0Azar, dont be afraid, its quite easy to get going
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06:23.15bemused0vladuz976, differences btw xfree and xorg you mean?
06:23.18Azarbemused0 guys like you are building the future of Debian :)
06:23.31vladuz976bemused0, yes
06:23.33bemused0Azar, no, not guys like me heh, i just use it and come here for help
06:23.35SimonRavensarge will *never* get xorg. it's stable, remember?
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06:23.45bemused0ya, simon is correct
06:23.48bemused0backports are all you'll get
06:23.50bemused0or go sid
06:23.58sashihmm
06:23.59Azarbemused0, I ment guys like you who dare to take the bull by the horns
06:24.04sashiwhats the command to configure?
06:24.05SimonRavenexactly. unsupported, except for the backporter, and unofficial
06:24.05jm_it has been in Etch for a while now
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06:24.15bemused0Azar, haha thnx but im a noob too man
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06:24.29ozzloycoke, thanx anyways
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06:24.37nvzanother SNS epidemic
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06:24.46sashihey
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06:24.52sashiwhats the command to configure
06:24.53SimonRavenetch has xorg like jm_ said. no need to go to sid
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06:24.58bemused0vladuz976, for me it was speed improvements, needed the new nvidia drivers, and wanted to have kde3.4 for compatability w/ some other stuff i had to have to get maya working
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06:25.03SimonRavensashi: configure what?
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06:25.10sashixfree
06:25.18sashithe xfree86-configure command or something
06:25.20SimonRaven!drxx sashi
06:25.21dpkgsashi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]   (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
06:25.26vladuz976bemused0, so how do i add backports?
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06:25.50SimonRaventhat xf86config crap shouldn't be there
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06:25.54Azarwell I know anything is possible if you force yourself into some higher steps, I am just following the stable packages...
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06:26.52bemused0vladuz976, before doing anything backup /etc/X11 by doing tar -czf  /etc/x11-backup.tar.gz /etc/x11
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06:27.10nvzdpkg, SNS syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
06:27.10dpkgnvz: okay
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06:27.42bemused0im not sure what jm meant about etch, i installed it long long time ago when norbert's first hit
06:27.57Azarnvz :)
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06:28.29SimonRavennvz: awesome
06:28.45SimonRaven@nvz++
06:28.47Guerin!sns syndrome =~ s/Software/(Software|Shite)/
06:28.47dpkgGuerin: OK
06:28.52SimonRavenhahaha
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06:29.06Azarthe X confile file header gives the user who tries to modify it the warning and advice on what to do about the md5
06:29.24SimonRaven!xmd5
06:29.24dpkgIf you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made.
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06:30.18bemused0vladuz976, after that you'd add ' deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main ' to your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update
06:30.30bemused0then apt-get install xserver-xorg
06:30.45nvzhey doctors come up with worse shit than that on less concrete information
06:30.47Azaryou know what the horror is? five years from now all those configurations will become automatic and all I learn in 3 years about compiling, configuring, etc will be obsolete
06:31.18GuerinAzar: you'd think so, but it's not the case.
06:31.47SimonRavennot at all
06:32.12AzarGuerin, look at this abominable fact: the user does not have to edit grub after a kernel update: I find this very distressing
06:32.49SimonRavenpeople have been compiling s/w for a long time, and will still. the tools to set it up, etc., will likely change, and (hopefully) get better, but it won't chnage unless something big happens
06:32.57GuerinAzar: terrible. Software that automates menial tasks. WHo'd have thought things would come to this.
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06:33.03bemused0lol
06:33.06vladuz976bemused0, what will happen to xfree86 after that, do i need to uninstall?
06:33.11yarddogwhen i apt-get upgrade, it says there is no header in my preferences file?
06:33.22bemused0vladuz976, apt will take care of it, but thats why you backed it up first
06:33.25yarddogi dont see info on a header anywhere
06:33.31yarddogeven in the man
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06:33.46bemused0could just copythe folder somewhere else even
06:33.48bemused0its not that big
06:34.05nvzthe latest things I've read in health news lately were that the human mind is still evolving, stress reduces risk of breast cancer, and well I forgot what else was news recently that had little or no real significant factual background
06:34.19Azarit was nice to visit your lilo file and see there all the kernels you have been through, even have the opportunity to opt to use one of them
06:34.25bemused0and nicotine is the cure for alzheimers
06:34.27vladuz976bemused0, but in general, to get other software, not stable, or supported, i need other backports?
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06:34.29nvzbut if they can get paid to make shit up, I can surely do it for free
06:34.49nvzbemused0: ah yeah thats it.. they think a simple word test detects alzheimers early
06:34.49stewAzar: now you get to do that every boot at the grub menu
06:34.50bemused0vladuz976, not often, i havent had any other 'backports' for sarge other than kde 3.4 which isnt a backport anyhow
06:35.06Azaryarddog, there is not any intro info on the xfree86 file?
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06:35.11bemused0nvz, ya, cant quite agree with that heh
06:35.30nvzthey ask people to list names of animals or something stupid
06:35.37yarddogxfree? its the apt preferences
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06:36.02Azaryarddog, sorry I was refering to xfree86, maybe you were talking about something else
06:36.08SimonRavennicotine is a help in prevention or reduction for alzheimer's and parkinson's. i've known this for a while. nothing new there
06:36.35GuerinSimonRaven: pity about the usual means of delivery
06:36.38yarddogyeah, its the apt preferences file, when i apt-get upgrade, it says the header in the preferences file is missing
06:36.50AzarSimonRaven, shhhhh authorities do not like to praise the nicotine
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06:37.08nvzthey have gum and shit now that has nicotine
06:37.34mihaicnvz, cool. Great for the kids.
06:37.42Azaryarddog, this terminology is new to me : apt preferences , does it refer to your apt sources list?
06:38.03SimonRaveni bet it isn't just the nicotine, but some of the other alkaloids involved... just like theophiline, you can't just extract it from chocolate nd expect it to behave the same way. alone it causes nausea, and isn't as effective in brochodilation as chocolate is
06:38.08yarddogAzar, when i man_preferences, this shows what im doing
06:38.15nvzmihaic: yeah its better for the kids than smoking after sex.. *rolls his eyes*
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06:38.21yarddogAzar, not the sources
06:38.33bemused0prwhich is why they developed acetylcholine, but its a poor bonding agent for nicotinic cholinergic receptors
06:38.37Azaryarddog, ah I see that is something I never used before
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06:38.43yarddogok
06:39.11SimonRaveni smoke, and don't plan to stop. i like smoking. i don't like that people who smoke have been demonised and made into social pariahs
06:39.33mihaicnvz, neeeh, it's just that it's so damn hard to smoke in public places now days.
06:39.33bemused0not about smoking
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06:39.38bemused0its about alzheimer's
06:39.49mihaicI don't plan to live that long.
06:39.55bemused0besides, smoking is just the most comming way to ingest it
06:39.57AzarSimonRaven I am with you there: my mom stopped smoking and three years after that she became obese, high colesterol, high blood pressure, and diabetes.
06:40.02bemused0and it comes with all the lovely affects of being a smoker
06:40.13bemused0me, i smoke alotta blunts, but no cigarettes
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06:40.47mihaicAzar, damn. Good thing I never quit smoking.
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06:40.59nvzbemused0: what about get nuttier than a fruitcake and irritable as hell?
06:41.00AzarI will never quit smoking either.
06:41.16bemused0nvz, hmm dont know any of those....
06:41.24bemused0bam: http://www.psychiatrist.com/pcc/brainstorm/br6109.htm
06:41.37lakcajAzar, except that smoking just to stay thin is not a good excuse.  If you don't have the will power to exercise and eat right, don't "blame" it on quiting smoking.
06:42.00Azaryarddog, now I got really curious what is apt preferences?
06:42.08SimonRavenbemused0: gimme one study that actually proves smoking cause lung cancer. *one*. there aren't any, not any that prove it. none that can eliminate any other causal factor, like um, i don't know, air pollution? (BTW, this is meant as informative, not flaming)
06:42.10mihaicI belive quitting smoking takes away all that extra will power. :)
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06:42.20mihaicNot enough left to stay thin :P
06:42.24Azarsorry I cannot let some terms passing by and not learn what they are
06:42.27bemused0SimonRaven, hehe, when did i mention smoking or lung cancer?
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06:42.30yarddogAzar, scroll down a ways here: http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
06:42.41Azaryarddog, thanks
06:42.42SimonRavenbemused0: sooner or later *someone* would've mentioned it ;)
06:42.46yarddogAzar, i think i found something
06:42.47bemused0hha
06:43.00bemused0hey, my roomy smokes, i dont care
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06:43.09bemused0i dont smoke em cuz they taste like ass, but thats just me
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06:43.21nvzmy cousin smokes like a chimney in alaska in the dead of winter.. and believe me the force isnt strong with him.
06:43.37nvzI don't think it gives you any extra will
06:43.46yarddogAzar, the writers answer here, ill try this: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/synaptic-devel/2003-05/msg00022.html
06:43.57bemused0nvz, somethings nothing can help
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06:44.10auraxcan anyone explain to me how to completely remove app using apt and do a fresh clean
06:44.13auraxinstall
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06:44.23Guerinaurax: man apt-get
06:44.30Azarwow impressive building your own Debian packages
06:44.30Guerinaurax: look at --purge
06:44.30SimonRavenman apt-get, man dpkg. look for purge
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06:44.58SimonRavenAzar: not that hard once you know how. it's to do it right that's harder ;)
06:45.01dimirMorning.
06:45.02auraxok
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06:45.30yarddogAzar, yeah like gentoo :)
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06:45.46auraxGuerin how can i do a forceall install style
06:45.52auraxlike make sure it will reinstall all init scripts etc
06:46.02yarddogAzar, try the example, it works
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06:46.15nvzSimonRaven: doing it right is for DDs and if they couldnt do it they probably wouldnt be DDs. Otherwise you are building unofficially anyhow and it doesnt really matter too much how right it is.
06:46.18Guerinaurax: it will.
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06:46.32Guerinaurax: there is no forceall for everyday use in apt
06:46.36vladuz976is there some kinda guide on how i can get my new debian running?
06:46.36asuffieldSimonRaven: umm, smoking involves drawing beta-radioactive particles into your lungs. there's no shortage of evidence that internal ionising radiation causes cancer, as well as just killing you directly
06:46.37Azaryarddog, this is interesting, but I am too new at linux, I have long way to learn Debian as is and only after that start creating my own custom packages...
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06:46.50yarddogAzar, agreed :P
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06:47.33asuffieldhell, there's polonium in there, that's *alpha* radiation
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06:47.35Azarunfortunately I can say that I am a bit retarded at learning even the terminology, my learning curve is awfully slow
06:47.37SimonRavenreminds me of a cartoon i saw recently. adam singer is the cartoonist. there's a guy having a smoke, and there's this car driver, screaming at him saying something like "you insconsiderate jerk, don't you realise you're polluting?!" meanwhile you see chimneys, factories, a highway full of cars, and the exhaust coming from his car. just priceless.
06:47.39nvzasuffield: that would be smoking anything from bamboo to zebra hair?
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06:47.57bemused0beautiful
06:48.06SimonRavenasuffield: yeh sure. and you don't do that when you inhale polluted air? suuuure
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06:48.24nvzI remember on one of them dumb tv shows they were going to make someone smoke a bong of ass hair
06:48.24bemused0only time im against smoking is when its around young kids directly, otherwise i say whocares
06:48.26asuffieldSimonRaven: right. unless you go and suck on an exhaust pipe directly
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06:48.42Azarthe government are just sweeping the dung under the rug by blaming smokers for the entire planet pollution and for the majority of deaths on earth
06:48.44asuffieldnvz: it's not really a good idea to be breathing any kind of smoke immediately after burning
06:48.55bemused0haha who blamed smokers for the greenhouse effect?
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06:49.07nvzasuffield: hence invention of the bong and the vaporizer :P
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06:49.09Azarbemused0 who else than the government
06:49.14bemused0i missed that one
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06:49.29bemused0last i checked it was still their fault
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06:49.49stewif you love ozone, stop doing ass hair bonghits, for goodness sakes
06:49.52bemused0arguing fault is pointless tho
06:49.53asuffieldSimonRaven: the half life of those compounds is tiny, almost all the radioactive stuff will be gone in seconds after burning. only sucking directly on the thing is going to do that
06:49.54ke6isfWith all due respect to smokers, I never could comprehend the logic of intentionally concentrating and inhaling smoke.  I mean, people go to the hospital for "smoke inhalation".  But that's just me.
06:49.57nvzheh
06:49.58bemused0so is the new hydrogen plan
06:50.02Azarsome people seem to have been developed in the government labs incubators, from where they come out with asthma and allergies
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06:50.15asuffieldnvz: that's probably rather less lethal for you, yes
06:50.15Guerinheh
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06:50.17bemused0wow
06:50.22bemused0i really need to roll another blunt for this.
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06:50.32SimonRavenAzar: and the pharmaceutical industry
06:51.00AzarSimonRaven, let me add: the zillionaire pharmaceutical industry
06:51.05SimonRavenheh
06:51.15bemused0barium is tasty
06:51.39SimonRavenasuffield: what put the stuff there in the first place, hmm?
06:51.49Phatedbemused0: I've had a contrast taken. Barium is NOT tasty
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06:52.03bemused0haha ya, i was kidding
06:52.06bemused0its kinda like chalk
06:52.12asuffieldSimonRaven: unknown, but thought to be the fertilisers used for tobacco
06:52.30SimonRavenindeed. intensive agriculure
06:52.30asuffieldSimonRaven: since it's not for eating the restrictions are more lax. there's no *way* they could use that stuff on food crops
06:52.38bemused0Phated, had it wth tang? its so much better (not)
06:52.45nvzvaporizers dont even burn the contents, some use hot air, some use light.. they may be just as bad if not worse for all I know.. I never really experimented with one. just seen sites like www.vapureyes.com (IIRC)
06:52.45Phatedbemused0: Banana flavoured chalk?
06:52.56asuffieldPhated: ...why did you have that?
06:52.59bemused0Phated, mine was orange flavored, but sure heh
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06:53.15Guerinecch, banana flavoured *
06:53.16bemused0I've had an Upper GI, they are fun
06:53.24bemused0when i was like 14
06:53.25nvzthe 'bong' was designed to cool-filtered smoke though
06:53.25ke6isfbanana flavored tang?  That sounds evil.
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06:53.32Guerinreal bananas are great ... banana flavoured anything is fucking awful
06:53.37Phatedasuffield: I'm timgoh0. I'm just in campus with Phated.
06:53.46asuffieldokay, that's confusing
06:53.49asuffieldstop doing that
06:53.52Guerinfucking hell
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06:54.22SimonRavenasuffield: i agree that putting crap chemical on plants to increase output, or kill so-called pests that also kill the pests' predators, worms, etc. is awful. all i was saying is what i said. i think you and i caould go on and on about pharming (think pharmaceutical + farming) does to the plants we consume
06:54.39Guerin!lart Phated for letting people use her box
06:54.54xamhim?
06:55.06asuffieldthe regexp was written in simpler days
06:55.13SimonRavenasuffield: uh yeh that's the case in most industrialised countries (re: lax toxin regulations on non-food plants)
06:55.22SimonRavenasuffield: er, i think that's*
06:55.45bemused0SimonRaven, what about geneticly engineerd tomatos
06:55.57SimonRavenbemused0: don't get me started on GMOs
06:55.59Gueringenetically engineered
06:56.41ke6isfSimonRaven: What, you don't want your tomatoes to taste you back? =^_^=
06:56.53SimonRavenke6isf: no i don't ;)
06:57.28ke6isfSimonRaven: What's wrong with you! It's the 'Merican dream to have a celery that walks onto my plate and begs to be eaten!
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06:57.59Guerinke6isf: he's not 'Merican. He's American.
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06:58.22nvzyou can make a pretty cool portable gravity bong out of a 20oz Pepsi or Coke bottle and a 32oz Gatorade or Powerade bottle, a pen and some foil or something.. gravitates the radiation right out heh </ot> :P
06:58.22ke6isfGuerin: I'm being silly here. =^_^=
06:58.27bemused0wow
06:58.36bemused0theres a government food lab on the way to my parent's house
06:58.56asuffieldmost of the rubbishing of the accuracy of the health studies on the subject is coming from the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
06:59.05Guerinke6isf: really? I couldn't tell.
06:59.13asuffieldthey're the ones who get paid by MS and SCO to trash linux
06:59.17SimonRavenbemused0: well, you've heard about putting fish genes in tomatoes, right? well, tobacco has a rather flexible genome. with this, the gene engineers can take this plant, and tag onto it various chemicals to administer via whatever means - usually smoked - various shit like psychiatric drugs, or steroids, or whatever...
06:59.28asuffieldbet I know who paid for their tobacco 'studies'
06:59.30Guerinasuffield: haha, adti ... there's another meaning to that acronym, but I can't quite call it to mind
06:59.31stewsoon we'll be using tomato matrices instead of raid arrays
06:59.33SimonRavenasuffield: aaah
06:59.53ke6isfbemused0: A government food lab.... I'm now having these weird pictures of pouring odd chemicals into one of those contraptions you find only in cartoons, and out the other end comes a head of lettuce with a giant USDA stamp on the side.
07:00.06bemused0heard about the rat-brain that flies the flight simulator? it was on  AP news some time back
07:00.26peterSsomeone's gonna breed some rat terrorists
07:00.32SimonRavenGuerin: native. not american, not canadian, not native canadian or native american.
07:00.35Guerinheh
07:00.35peterStheir brains will then be unwittingly used in autopilots...
07:00.37bemused0ke6isf, ya, except it just looks like a big brick office building with a huge farm outback
07:00.38nvzactually I think I seen one of them things on 3-stooges or some old bw tv show
07:00.44GuerinSimonRaven: my bad.
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07:01.06nvzmight even have been a 90s movie or tvshow.. but they had a food contraption thing like that
07:01.11ke6isfbemused0: That sounds even more disturbing. =O.o=
07:01.17bemused0it is, oh it is
07:01.31bemused0giant pipes going in one side
07:01.46bemused0very Zim -esque
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07:01.59SimonRaveni heard about that too. awful what "scientists" think they can get away with, and call it science. i guess they've never heard of ethics...
07:02.07vladuz976can someone help me with the black screen after install?
07:02.20ke6isfnvz: Was thinking something along the lines of... well, you know the odd rube goldberg contraptions of pyrex you see in some old cartoons that certain cartoon animals get mysteriously drawn through and expelled from?
07:02.23bemused0vladuz976, what happens if you hit CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
07:02.25SimonRavenvladuz976: you'll have to be more concise about that
07:02.38SimonRavenand you know, add some details....
07:02.53bemused0he i know what you me ke6isf
07:02.53Azarthey even killed the traditional firelog when camping for example: smoke is dangerous, how ridiculous, I tell you some people were born and raised in glass cubicles
07:02.56vladuz976bemused0, nothing
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07:03.26GuerinAzar: wtf
07:03.27bemused0vladuz976, can you switch to another screen with CTRL ALT F1-F6 or something
07:03.28vladuz976SimonRaven, how could i be? i installed sarge and now screen is totally black
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07:03.40Tinozaurehello
07:03.40vladuz976no
07:03.47vladuz976bemused0,no
07:03.51AzarGuerin, sorry, I will stop
07:03.52SimonRavenGuerin: np
07:03.58vladuz976bemused0, yeah that worked
07:04.08Tinozaurevladuz976, try plugin the video cable :)
07:04.15FlopsyPeteafter the GNOME 2.10 upgrade in Testing, I can't use the panel with the mouse to select Applications | Places | Desltop or the application shortcuts, there's no response. anyone know what I can do to fix this please?
07:04.20tcsetattrturn the brightness knob
07:04.28bemused0vladuz976, so you can login on another screen and run xf86config?
07:04.36SimonRaveni bet s/he installed gdm or something and x is misconfigured... but this is a guess....
07:04.41bemused0you'll wanna kill X of course
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07:04.50bemused0if it ever started
07:04.50vladuz976bemused0, can i just add xorg now?
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07:05.08bemused0vladuz976, if its a fresh install it'd be nice to get it working first
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07:05.25AzarFlopsyPete you might want to revise your mouse settings in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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07:05.49SimonRavenor the contrast knob even, heh
07:05.58bemused0lol
07:06.04FlopsyPeteAzar: the mouse itself works fine for everything else
07:06.14koji-samahas anyone experienced gotten a error message when running cedega for an iKernel.exe
07:06.15bemused0wow you guys are curt.
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07:06.32ke6isfbemused0: I see no Curt here.
07:06.37bemused0lol.
07:06.38nvzI dont have a single knob on any of the 3 monitors in front of me
07:06.40AzarFlopsyPete, then may be that horrible Gnome or even testing are borking
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07:07.02SimonRavenmine are buttons... it's an old apple 15" multiscan
07:07.03FlopsyPeteAzar: well yeah, clearly.
07:07.05nvzand only one of them has brightness or contrast controls of any kind the others have OSD configuration
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07:07.18mlalkakahi everyone
07:07.23AzarFlopsyPete, see what the Gnome site gives as bugs on that new version
07:07.30FlopsyPeteok
07:07.37bemused0"curt" (kûrt)adj. curt·er, curt·est1. Rudely brief or abrupt, as in speech or manner. See Synonyms at gruff.   2. Using few words; terse. 3. Having been shortened.
07:07.40bibehi mlalkaka
07:07.59nvzmy IBM G50 has buttons for everything across the bottom.. I like it better than the controls on any of the others
07:08.24jm_nvz: would be hard to have a button for every single control you can find on modern monitors
07:08.29Azarnvz, IBM is a machine I allways dreamed of owning
07:08.57nvzits got like 18 or so buttons
07:08.59jm_that's why they have buttons to walk the menus and +/- ones usually
07:09.08mlalkakai just updated by etch system. i the majority of my updates were related to the upgrade from gnome 2.8 to 2.10. but unfortunately, my application menu has become messed up now. the debian menu has 2 entries for every program. and the gnome menus have some sub-menus that are from kde. any ideas on how to solve this problem? has anyone else had this problem?
07:09.18jm_yeah 18 is nowhere near enough even for this 7 years old HP thing
07:09.44SimonRavenmlalkaka: bts has some reports about this
07:09.51Azarmlalkaka, every new version of something might have known bugs: check the Gnome site
07:10.22mlalkakaAzar, but does this have to do with gnome, or does it have to do with debian's menu management system (update-menus, etc)
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07:10.56Azardebian menu management system? I am new to this... sorry
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07:11.40nvzmy IBM G50, HP M50 and Princeton Graphics Systems EO50 all have about 9 settings Brightness, Contrast, H-Pos, H-Size, V-Pos, V-Size, Skew, Sidepin, Rotation. and maybe a color temp or such individual color settings
07:11.45AzarSimonRaven, does Debian have a menu management system?
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07:11.50SimonRavenyes
07:12.03SimonRavenmenu package
07:12.14Azarmenu for what, for a desktop?
07:12.56SimonRavenvarious other packages have menu files and scripts that get run when update-menus is... rather elaborate actually. works well, except for that double entry stuff in the gnome menu
07:13.11nvzthe M50 has 4 Profiles, and the EO50 has color temp and RGB adjust.. the G50's extra function is just a save/restore button I think.. I am not sure what those last two buttons do
07:13.14SimonRavenbut i think that's a gnome issue, not menu
07:13.34ke6isf...my cat just attacked an old Craftsman flathead screwdriver.
07:13.47AzarSimonRaven sorry to ask so silly questions but I only used a desktop manager once, and that was openbox... that had its own menu, I guess not a Debian menu
07:14.05Revengerke6isf: who won ?
07:14.12SimonRavenyes it did. the menu title said 'debian' i bet ;)
07:14.12jm_my HP one also has degauss, recall, v. pincushion, trapezoid, parallelogram, rotation, disp. freq., video level, input select, h. moire, v.moire and select language options, and it's old ;)
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07:14.23ke6isfRevenger: Don't know yet.  She's going in again.
07:14.32Azar:) SimonRaven thank you for the info, interesting, nice to know
07:14.32nvzits a cat.. they only thing about prey and eating. they go to sleep, and dream about prey and eating
07:14.35ke6isfRevenger: So far, the screwdriver is making no attempt at self defense whatsoever.
07:14.40Revengerpersistant little buggers.
07:14.48mlalkaka!topic
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07:14.55vladuz976bemused0, i put the right values infor monitor range installed xorg and still black
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07:15.33Revengerone night one of our little kittens was attacking a poster above my bed.
07:15.39Revengerusing my head as platform.
07:15.39ke6isfnvz: Yes, but my cats are strange.  They think about prey, food, drinking out of the faucet, and sleeping under the covers in bed.
07:15.50Revengerat 3am.
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07:15.57bemused0vladuz976, video drivers installed correctly etc?
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07:16.25ke6isfnvz: Oh yeah, and paper shopping bags from Trader Joe's.
07:16.32vladuz976bemused0, no, what do i need to install for the drivers?
07:16.34nvzyou apperently dont have enough interesting prey in the house. I keep a bunch of furry decoy mice laying around for when they dont have a real one to catch.. just to keep em on their toes
07:16.35Azarit looks like some people just jumped into a new gnome version that might not work quite well with Debian..
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07:16.56SimonRavenke6isf: that's not unusual. our cat does that too, except the faucet stuff. our tom did that
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07:17.09mihaicAzar, what gnome?
07:17.22SimonRaventhe little guy scurrying across the floor
07:17.28eXa_bOyim trying to run squid in accellerator mode. anyone know a good HOWTO?
07:17.30ke6isfWe have one girl who insists that the faucet is the best source of water.  We're gonna have to get one of those circulating water bowls.
07:17.32Azar2.10 I see
07:17.37mihaicPeople are using 2.12 already?
07:17.39mihaicOh.
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07:17.45mihaic2.10 is quite b0rked in sid.
07:17.52bemused0anyone ever get their cats to use the toilet?
07:17.54kadigiboxCan you hotswap SATA drives on Linux?
07:17.58bemused0not to be gross
07:18.00bemused0hah
07:18.05stewke6isf: better yet, get a fishtank
07:18.17SimonRavenbemused0: one guy i knew did for one cat he had. only instance i heard of
07:18.24ke6isfstew: Oh, we have better.  Rats.  It's interesting the conversations the rodents and cats have.
07:18.27jm_kadigibox: Linux SATA page has details about that
07:18.28mihaickadigibox, yes, bot only once.
07:18.29bemused0wanna try it with mine heh
07:18.31mihaic:)
07:18.35ke6isfstew: Fortunately for the rats, they're relatively safe in the cage.
07:18.39eXa_bOysquid...
07:18.42AzarI assume every new version release of something has to have some documentation that would guide the user on what is coming with and what the eventual bugs might have... to be read before attempting a blind install
07:18.42bemused0i hear it involved tin-snips and baking pans
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07:19.12ke6isfbemused0: It's possible, but a pain.  The trick, after that, is to get them to flush after they're done.
07:19.15SimonRavenAzar: called a changelog and a readme. try it some time
07:19.19mihaicI mean all that mono/xorg/gnome2.10 thing made sid really unstable :).
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07:19.29bemused0heh, i'd live with doing that for them
07:19.32mihaicAnd again, that's the idea I guess...
07:19.33Azardid Debian Sarge evolved to any rc.x so far?
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07:19.53SimonRavenmihaic: more so what the c++ abi shift, gcc 4 going in, and glibc going up a notch
07:20.01mlalkakaSimonRaven, if i want to check the bts for the double menu entry bug, which package should i search for?
07:20.01Blue-Steelhey guys where can i get a list  of mirrors from europe ?
07:20.04ke6isfbemused0: Of course, when they discover how to flush, they'll be eternally fascinated by the swirly motion of the water, so will repeat ad nauseam the act of flushing - thus driving your water bill through the roof.
07:20.18SimonRavenmlalkaka: gnome-menu i think, or gnome-panel
07:20.21jm_Blue-Steel: Debian web page is the last place to look on, I promise
07:20.28AzarSimonRaven, I allways read the documentation before going on an upgrade, that is what I did when I upgraded to sarge from woody
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07:20.34mihaicBlue-Steel, apt-setup or something has that. (or apt-config or whatever it's called). And the webpage of course.
07:20.39SimonRavenAzar: :)
07:20.40bemused0ke6isf, dont introduce them to the concept of the flush
07:20.41Azarerr from woody to sarge :)
07:20.48Blue-Steeli just need a list . its for a friend
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07:21.07SimonRavenapt-setup
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07:21.21SimonRavenwww.debian.org/mirror-list IIRC
07:21.28SimonRavenor somethign like that...
07:21.32mihaic:)
07:21.54Blue-Steeltkx
07:22.09Gavrilahi guys, excuse me for the OT but I need a serious advice: a live linux distro with an up to date antivirus to sanitize a windows machine?
07:22.19mihaicOf course you still have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand. apt-setup doesn't always work (well).
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07:22.33mihaicGuerin, yes, LinuxDefender.
07:22.35vladuz976bemused0, what are the names of the packages for the drives?
07:22.36SimonRavenclamav
07:22.47vladuz976bemused0, i have nvidia
07:22.57bemused0vladuz976, then then thats it
07:23.01mihaicIt's a distribution of Knoppix Linux with Captive NTFS to mount / write NTFS partitions, and BitDefender (a nice antivirus) to clean out virii.
07:23.06AzarGavrila I wonder , do linux antivirus programs work on windows?
07:23.11mihaic(Well, modified knoppix).
07:23.21mihaicAzar, yeah, that's the idea.
07:23.24bemused0vladuz976, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/debian.html start here
07:23.43Gavrilamihaic, how is BitDefende kept up to date?
07:23.47mihaicGavrila, so look for LinuxDefender on distrowatch or something. There's also a 200MB thingy.
07:23.48Gavrilanightly builds?
07:23.53Azarmihaic, but are there linux distros coming with an antivirus? the way I know Debian does not offer any such
07:23.57mihaicGavrila, you just update the antivirus when you boot it.
07:24.37mihaicIt has live updates in tgz form or something like that. You still need internet, unless you get the updates yourself... (by hand). But it's easy to setup (knoppix duh...)
07:24.45AzarGavrila, RoSec does not have something to offer ?
07:24.47mihaicAzar, some have clamav I guess.
07:25.00Gavrilamihaic, I see, does it support wifi connection?
07:25.11SimonRavenAzar: yes, clamav. stick it in with your MTA and scans for any worms, viruses, etc. going through the MTA
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07:25.20ke6isf!clamav
07:25.20dpkg[clamav] http://clamav.elektrapro.com, an anti-virus toolkit written from scratch. It is licensed under GNU GPL2 and uses the virus database from OpenAntiVirus. It has support for on-demand email scanning, conventional directory scanning and in Linux, on-access file scan, good for Samba/Netatalk servers.
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07:25.36mihaicGavrila, no idea. But since it's knoppix, it should. See what knoppix ver. it's based on, and search.
07:25.36AzarSimonRaven, wow nice go around
07:25.48Gavrilamihaic, thanks a lot
07:25.53mlalkakaSimonRaven, it's gnome-menus. thanks and you're right. my problems have mostly been reported already.
07:26.06SimonRaveni run it with exim4 and sa-exim. fricking rocks (IMO)
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07:26.26mihaicGavrila, just search for it...there's also a smaller version (some 200MB and more up to date...).
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07:27.48mihaichttp://bittorrent.bitdefender.com/download/LinuxDefender_Live!_v1.5.6_CeBIT.iso.torrent - here's a torrent.
07:28.11Gavrilamihaic, thanks again
07:28.59mihaicBy the way, I belive the latest knoppix livecd's also use captive NTFS, and might just include clamav. So if bitdefender won't do the job... look for those :).
07:29.01Azarnews : finally Debian is receiving funding
07:29.13mihaicWho?
07:29.18AzarDebian
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07:29.29mihaicWho's giving :)
07:29.33Azarhttp://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050813
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07:30.29mihaicUgh.. that's like.... pocket money.
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07:30.51bemused0lol
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07:30.55bemused0thats a used car.
07:30.58mihaicI'm not sure 500$/month can do much.
07:31.00bemused0from 1997
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07:31.44Azarwell I was asking and trying to establish contact to make a donation once in a while but financially speaking Debian was lethargic to get into this. Now I think I will be able to establish a contact.
07:31.52vladuz976so nvidia drivers are not in apt?
07:31.54mihaicIf every one on #debian were to cough up 1$ / month they'd beat that :)
07:32.10bob2debian gets money from lots of people
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07:32.33bemused0vladuz976,  later on in that howto it tells you toinstall it via module assistant
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07:32.41bob2Azar: donate money to SPI, say you want Debian to get it and it shows up in debian's account within a ~week
07:32.43peterSand equally importantly, debian gets donations of machines, hosting and bandwidth from all over the place too
07:32.44SlayerXPmorning ladies, gentlemen, boys, girls, sauropods and bob2
07:32.58bob2ciao, SlayerXP
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07:33.12Azarbob2, I will try again, hopefully with success this time
07:33.13bemused0vladuz976, if youre running a stock kernel, it might be alot easier to find a package, otherwise i found one with the newest version, but i havent rebooted to try it yet
07:33.14SlayerXPbob2: CZE!
07:33.21fireba11hi
07:33.27Sara|LaptopHi, I hope someone can help me. I've got a Sony Vaio laptop and am trying to get spicctrl to work. I installed it, but when running, it says "/dev/sonypi: No such device". sonypi is included in the kernel and I ran mknod /dev/sonypi c 10 250, chmod 666 /dev/sonypi -- can someone help me?
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07:33.41jm_SlayerXP: morgen
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07:33.46SlayerXPjm_: hey Goran
07:33.50ke6isf!tell Sara|Laptop -about laptop
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07:33.52vladuz976bemused0, where did you find that
07:34.07bob2Azar: every couple of weeks a report gets sent to the SPI members list saying how much money Debian's been given lately
07:34.07vladuz976bemused0 can i /msg you?
07:34.12bemused0vladuz976, ya
07:34.13Sara|Laptopke6isf: I already searched the web for answers
07:34.26bob2Sara|Laptop: that error means the kernel disagrees
07:34.31bob2Sara|Laptop: it thinks there is no driver
07:34.34SlayerXP4 weeks til I get adsl
07:34.37bob2Sara|Laptop: are you sure the mknod values are correct?
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07:34.43ke6isfSlayerXP: Oy, what's the holdup?
07:34.46bob2SlayerXP: welcome to the year 2002!
07:34.57Sara|Laptopbob2: everything I found in the web said that those were the values
07:35.25bob2Sara|Laptop: can you see any mention of the driver in "dmesg | less"?
07:35.27tcsetattrcheck /proc/misc for the minor number
07:35.30bob2Sara|Laptop: what kernel are you using?
07:35.32SlayerXPke6isf: I live in a wooden box, in a frozen field, in the middle of nowhere
07:35.41bob2oh, wow, that's cool
07:36.05j0naswhats the command to search for file endning like *.wav?
07:36.11ke6isfSlayerXP: What provider are you using? =O.o=
07:36.13mihaicAt least you get 6 months of nighttime in a row :)
07:36.16jm_j0nas: man locate; info find
07:36.16SlayerXPj0nas: 'man find'
07:36.21SlayerXPke6isf: telenor
07:36.36SlayerXPhttp://www.hinterlands.org/IMG_1423.JPG
07:36.39mlalkakais there a way to resize ext3 partitions without losing the data stored on the partitions?
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07:36.50bob2I hear blackcat sis good in the UK
07:36.51SlayerXPmlalkaka: yes, resize2fs
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07:37.08mihaicmlalkaka, yes, backup.
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07:37.13jm_SlayerXP: doesn't look like the same house you had there a while ago
07:37.23jm_maybe it's the other side of it
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07:37.56mlalkakaSlayerXP, mihaic, uh are you naming debian packages?
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07:38.16mihaicNo, just common sense :).
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07:38.20Sara|Laptopbob2: nope, can't find anything
07:38.30Sara|Laptopbob2: 2.6.12
07:39.06mlalkakamihaic, lol oh well obviously i could backup the data then resize. but i was looking for a way of keeping the data on the partition.
07:39.36sepmlalkaka, if you even consider resizing without a proper backup  on hand, your clearly insane
07:39.42mihaicThings can go wrong during resizing. So if you want to keep your data...
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07:40.10ke6isfmlalkaka: anytime you try and "non-destructively" alter your partitions, you run the risk of backup.  It's just better to back upyour stuff and resize than try to fret about doing it non-destructively and run the risk of losing it all.
07:40.13mihaicThat's the way to keep your data. Backup (at least the important stuff). then resize.
07:40.17sepmlalkaka, after your backup you can try resize with data, if it works then great, but if it dosnt then restore.
07:40.22ke6isfmlalkaka: Rather, you run the risk of lossage.
07:40.26ke6isfFark, I need to go to bed.
07:40.32mlalkakasep, well i suppose i could backup, but i would want the backup to be considered exactly that -- a backup in case of mishaps
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07:40.49sepmlalkaka, a backup is allways in that case
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07:41.02ke6isfmlalkaka: That's precisely what a backup is.
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07:41.21mihaicBackup == in case shit happens.
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07:41.28mihaicAnd trust me. In life - shit happens.
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07:42.08SlayerXPjm_: that's the road side
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07:42.57mek_!mplayer
07:42.57dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586.
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07:43.09dpkgrumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/
07:43.18Sara|Laptopbob2: It should be saying something in dmesg, right? So I didnt configure the kernel correnctly?
07:43.20jm_SlayerXP: ahh
07:44.02ke6isf!tell mek_ -about msg the bot
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07:44.10SlayerXPjm_: had meier here last week, he's very handy when it comes to DIY
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07:44.15Sara|Laptopbob2: I had sonypi included as a module and changed it to built about half an hour ago... don't know what else should be necessary (module should have been ok, right?)
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07:45.12jm_SlayerXP: so it's pretty much all sorted now?
07:45.25SlayerXPjm_: maybe 10%
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07:45.42SlayerXPbut that's an 8% improvement on when he arrived
07:45.49bob2Sara|Laptop: module should be ok, as long as you're loading it
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07:45.57jm_SlayerXP: so you'll basically renew the whole place?
07:46.01mlalkakaalright. i think it's time for sleep. maybe when i've regained the energy to undergo a hectic backup, format/resize process, i'll get on it.
07:46.06SlayerXPjm_: yep
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07:46.27Sara|Laptopbob2: It's not module now anymore anyway
07:46.52jm_SlayerXP: got a job already?
07:46.53bob2Sara|Laptop: are you sure the driver is approrirate for your exact hardware?
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07:47.12Sara|Laptopbob2: It's supposed to be ok for this sony vaio, yes
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07:47.13SlayerXPjm_: nope, but I've been interviewed by a certain search engine
07:47.20mlalkakabtw, what's a good/common command-line program for getting hard drive info (device name, mount point, free space, used space, fs-type, etc)?
07:48.09j0nasSlayerXP: well i cant find it in the manual, and i dont have time to read it more so can u please help me
07:48.20petemcmlalkaka: dmesg, df, fdisk, du, mount
07:48.25jm_but you have time to ask about it on IRC?
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07:48.27bob2mlalkaka: mount and df -h
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07:48.40j0nasjm_: yeh
07:48.47Azarmlalkaka : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices
07:48.47SlayerXPj0nas: you don't have time to read about it, but you _do_ have time to IRC?
07:48.52jm_:)
07:48.59mlalkakai always forget df and du for some reason. what do they stand for?
07:49.00SlayerXPj0nas: Error! Inconsistency detected!
07:49.41SlayerXPmlalkaka: Disk Free,  Disk Usage
07:49.48SlayerXPDevice really, I suppose
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07:50.10j0nasSlayerXP: well if a person know's the command thay can awser me in less time then it takes to read the man...
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07:50.30jm_j0nas: yes and you'll come again next time you need something, and then again and again ...
07:50.37mlalkakaSlayerXP, ooh. maybe that'll help me remember it. it's funny; i can remember all the other program names except that one lol
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07:50.50SlayerXPj0nas: so you'd rather be spoonfed solution rather than thinking for yourself?   If so, you picked the wrong distro.  Try Mandrake instead.
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07:51.33j0nasSlayerXP: no not at all but i have 10min to find som fucking audiofiles
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07:51.44j0nasand i REALY need them
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07:51.53bob2find -name "*.wav"
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07:51.55yangxI have made kernel image as user, but it didnt work, do I have to rebuild the whole process as root? - - http://channels.debian.net/paste/702
07:51.55bob2holy crhsit
07:51.55SlayerXPj0nas: then you REALLY need to start reading the docs
07:52.06j0nasbob2: thx
07:52.14mihaicj0nas, for fucks sake, just use "mc" M-?
07:52.23bob2j0nas: reading the find documentation really would have saved yo ua lot of time
07:52.26ke6isfj0nas: Try locate.
07:52.35Azarok I flunked at this lesson only because I do not understand the "checksum" term (IP checksum)
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07:52.58bob2yangx: make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot ...
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07:53.39ke6isfj0nas: And what happens in ten minutes?  You lose $500? You get fired? Your time runs out and an axe-wielding maniac coems to decapitate you?  Really, if nothing critical is going to happen, you have way more than ten minutes.
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07:54.28ke6isfAnd with that, sleep.
07:54.36mihaicI have a feeling it's short .mpg's he's actually looking for.
07:54.44mihaicLucky me, I always keep mine in /pr0n.
07:55.09bob2Sara|Laptop: that is very odd; all I can suggest is compile it as a module, then try loading it and see if you get an error
07:55.24bob2Sara|Laptop: it's easier to debug problems with modules than with monolothic kernels
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07:56.39Sara|Laptopbob2: ok, I'll try that
07:56.41sherif_i have a fast question ... what is the name of the package thats makes the dpkg asks me alot of questions ( level high ) or low level whe n i do dpkg-reconfiger pacakge ?
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07:57.20mlalkakaSlayerXP, mihaic, sep, ke6isf, petemc, bob2, Azar: thanks for the help. good night
07:57.21petemcsherif_: debconf
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08:02.00j0naske6isf: no i will have a lawsueit on my hands whit around 20000usd
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08:03.06auraxanyone got courier-imap vpop and qmail working ?
08:03.17SlayerXP!curse qmail
08:03.18dpkgMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, qmail!
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08:03.28petemc!praise dovecot
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08:03.48SlayerXPcyrus, you peasant
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08:03.59j0naswe have a dumbass that havent saved he's recordings in the right place so i have to search the server and se i i can find any of these files
08:04.13SlayerXPj0nas: you have a dumbass looking.
08:04.32SlayerXPone who appears barely qualified to pilot a toilet, let alone a computer system
08:04.42petemcj0nas: updatedb && locate -i .wav
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08:05.01auraxis there another working goood mail solution with webmail integrated?
08:05.05auraxi went for qmr
08:05.13Noidj0nas: isn't that *his* problem?
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08:05.23valdynaurax: "integrated"? why?
08:05.30SlayerXPNoid: maybe he talks about himself in the third person
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08:05.59NoidSlayerXP: it's certainly a trend these days...
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08:06.10j0nasNoid: well not realy, the company will take the hit....
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08:06.39Noidj0nas: but who will take the blame?
08:06.43Tinozaurebye
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08:06.47j0nashe will
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08:07.13Noidj0nas: ah, then you have no problem *grin*
08:07.20j0nasbut we have to musch to lose to let it be :)
08:07.37j0nasit's a wery good contract thats hanings lose
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08:08.03SimonRaven"hanings lose"?
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08:14.33AzarI need a coffee.. anyone joining?
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08:16.56yangxbob2, so it will repeat the rebuild process?
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08:17.11yangxor continue?
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08:18.06FleckAzar yep - i drink coffee right now :)
08:18.19Dewiwhy is it so quiet in here?
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08:18.35pirreeveryone's on coffee break?
08:18.46Dewiit's... strange.
08:18.51AzarDewi because I read and everyone is looking over my shoulder
08:18.56Dewiokay, I have an actual question.
08:19.24Dewiwhen I'm filtering stuff through various tools
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08:19.28DewiI often want to do
08:19.35Dewicommand < file > file
08:19.37Dewi(the same file)
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08:20.09Dewiactually, I have a more intelligent question
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08:20.59pirre*waiting*
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08:21.27Dewiis there a way to run xargs and access the filename more than once in a command line?
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08:22.35Dewixargs just sticks the payload on the end of the command
08:22.57jm_yes
08:22.57Dewibut I want to do something more powerful. Like have it as a variable
08:23.00valdynDewi: for i in `whatever` do; filter $i;filter $i;done;
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08:23.30Dewivaldyn: can I get the "whatever" from stdin?
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08:23.48Dewi(one per line)
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08:24.29valdynDewi: you dont want to get that from stdin
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08:24.42TraceGreenHello, Does anybody use partimage? Is partimage's largest image file size just 2GB?
08:24.45valdynDewi: for i in `cat filelist`
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08:25.05Dewivaldyn: oh, sorry, I see
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08:25.36valdynTraceGreen: i dont think so.
08:25.36Dewiis there a bash reference that is possible to read?
08:25.45valdynDewi: man bash
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08:25.48Dewi(grepping "man bash" for "for" is really hopeless)
08:26.01valdynDewi: grep for 'while'
08:26.07petemcDewi: ibm developer works has one written by the guy that started gentoo
08:26.16TraceGreenvaldyn, i am trying it now. Have you ever used it?
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08:26.42g00seSarge+Gnome. What kind of thing would cause inability to log in to X as any user other than the user i first configured for X?
08:26.50valdynTraceGreen: yea, quite a while ago, i dont remember issues with filesizes
08:26.57Michevahello
08:26.57itcnet5elow..
08:27.01jhaigUsing Etch.  I did an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' a couple of days ago to update some 'kept back' packages.  Today I have just tried another upgrade and it says "34 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 70 not upgraded."  Are there really that many updates today?
08:27.08ukhI hate to be asking this, but are there any *downloadable* CDs for i386 *woody* anywhere?
08:27.09itcnet5wat's up...??
08:27.16dondelelcarojhaig: there are updates to etch almost every day.
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08:27.21valdynTraceGreen: what filessystem are you writing the image to?
08:27.31bob2jhaig: gnome 2.10 on it's way
08:27.32TraceGreenvaldyn, thanks!! At least you may get larger file image. ext2
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08:27.40TraceGreenvaldyn, oh, sorry, fat32
08:27.42Michevadoing fine ^_^ just having problems with my debian release to get it in graph. mode
08:27.43bob2ukh: jigdo?
08:27.46Micheva(kde ^_^)
08:27.59valdynTraceGreen: fat32 probably does not support large files
08:28.10valdynTraceGreen: nothing partimage could do about that...
08:28.13bob2ukh: http://debian.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/images/3.0_r0/i386/
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08:28.21Dewifat32 can do up to 4gb iirc
08:28.25Dewiand that's all
08:28.26TraceGreenvaldyn, but fat32's largest just 2G?
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08:28.33Michevacan some one help me?
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08:28.51valdynTraceGreen: no idea. dewi is probably right
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08:29.03jhaigOK, thanks.  I wasn't expecting so many, though.
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08:29.07DewiI believe the max filesize is 2^32 - 1
08:29.14Dewi(bytes)
08:29.30Michevaprime number?
08:29.44DewiMicheva: I have no idea :P
08:29.50Michevahaha well it is ^_^
08:30.23Michevado you know something about the Sarge release of debian and getting it on KDE?
08:30.32Dewiargh how can it be 8:30Z already?
08:30.51jm_TraceGreen: it can do 4G files in Windows, but only 2G in Linux
08:30.57ukhbob2: thanks!
08:31.01jm_it can read 4G files in Linux too, just not write them IIRC
08:31.16Dewijm_: that's... a bit of a shame.
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08:31.25Dewimainly because so many flash drives and stuff still rely on FAT32
08:31.43jm_Dewi: how many of them are > 2G?
08:31.56Dewijm_: not many, for... a few more months
08:32.00jm_dewey: as for bash, read ABS
08:32.05jm_Dewi ^^^^^
08:32.14jhaigbob2: Most of those 70 not upgraded are in fact Gnome related.
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08:32.49TraceGreenjm_, what do you mean? it means partimage?
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08:33.14Michevaso does someone know what to do with installing kde on my debian????
08:33.23valdyn!kde
08:33.23dpkgkde is probably a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.1. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it to #debian-kde
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08:33.30valdynMicheva: apt-get install kde
08:33.32jm_TraceGreen: what?
08:33.34SimonRavenapt-get install kde will install everything, i mean everything, kde
08:33.36Michevai did
08:33.48SimonRaveninstall the xserver too...
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08:33.50Michevabut after the unpacking it just returned to TB
08:33.53Dewijm_: oh, this looks reasonably good. thank you.
08:34.04SimonRavenMicheva: "TB"?
08:34.06TraceGreenjm_, it can do 4G files in Windows, but only 2G in Linux, do you mean largest single partimage's image is just 2G in linux?
08:34.09MichevaText Based
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08:34.14jm_Dewi: and the trick with xargs can be achieved using -i switch
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08:34.21DewiMicheva: "startx"?
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08:34.37SimonRavenMicheva: /msg dpkg tell me about xsession
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08:34.51jm_TraceGreen: no, largest file that you can write to on fat32 partitions in Linux is 2G, regardless of who's writing it, but it's usually simple to find a workaround with decent tools
08:34.53bob2Micheva: did you install x-window-system-core, too?
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08:36.26Dewijm_: oh, I see. I never understood what that section in the man page meant.
08:36.32Dewijm_: nice
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08:37.53Michevabob2: well i tried, but i got an error he could find the x-window-system-core package
08:37.58Dewiwhile we're on the subject of xsessions, if I start gnome-session pointing at a vnc Xserver, later when I "log off" in gnome it doesn't pull down everything. Is there a "correct" way to pull it down?
08:38.13Dewi(pkilling up to 4 processes just to log out of gnome seems a bit dodgy)
08:38.35bob2Micheva: there you go then
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08:38.43bob2Micheva: good on you for not mentioning that error to begin with
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08:39.27TraceGreenjm_, thanks very much!! because now, if i use partimage to split image, i can't restore from image, always can not read block 0***, i don't know how to deal with it.
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08:41.42clem_yeatsanybody knows a good file splitter ?
08:41.43schlitzer_edhello,
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08:41.50Michevadoes anyone have a clue for installing this Xserver?
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08:42.04schlitzer_edcan someone tell me how to boot the cdrom drive from a sparc (scsi)
08:42.09schlitzer_edboot cdrom wont work
08:42.11schlitzer_ed:-/
08:43.00linuxfreckschlitzer_ed: make sure it has scsi id 6 on bus 0
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08:44.41rosemaryDrShade: I think you were helping me last night.  Finally got xfce installed
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08:44.57DrShaderosemary, hey there! :)
08:45.07looneybird_77590which irc chat client can i install on debian that has a user friendly interface
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08:45.11rosemaryDrShade: hi :-)
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08:45.31rosemaryDrShade: so thanks for your help last night
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08:45.45DrShaderosemary, np, do you like Xfce?
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08:46.26DrShadelooneybird_77590, X-Chat?
08:46.47rosemaryDrShade: yes I use it in mandriva - just gone over to it last few days.  I like having the panel for the launchers, and then sometimes I resize my windows so I can look at a couple of things easily
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08:47.33schlitzer_edlinuxfreck, it was allready booting ( a few weeks ago, but i have forgotten the compleate command)
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08:47.47schlitzer_edi had to enter the compleate physikaly adress
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08:48.09RoundQubehello all
08:48.09schlitzer_edbut i do not know how to generate this address
08:48.09linuxfreckschlitzer_ed: have fun googleing it
08:48.26linuxfreckschlitzer_ed: I doubt anybody knows that one by heart
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08:48.34looneybird_77590ok i tryid that 1.   keeps dropping the connection. also says i need to register
08:48.34eXa_bOyff
08:48.49jm_TraceGreen: ohh it has internal support for splitting the output file? makes sense, but it looks like there are bugs in it
08:48.53eXa_bOy(.Y.)
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08:50.32eXa_bOywtf is my wireless dropping out all the time.. how do you crank the frequency? i wanna compete with the radio stations :P
08:51.08pingouinwhat is a *.3gp video file ? it's «free» ? owned by some big companie ?
08:51.25eXa_bOynfi mate
08:51.25pingouinmplayer read it thanks god, but i wonder what kind of format is
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08:51.53looneybird_77590is there a homepage for xchat
08:51.54TraceGreenjm_, yes, partimage can split image file, but if i always met problem: can not read block**
08:52.03iostreamI have a question regarding hostname and domain name. If it set the machines hostname to 'bar' and the domainname to flaf.foo.com, then the machine would be called bar.flaf.foo.com, right?
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08:52.29Dewihow can I enter a literal ' into bash?
08:52.33fireba11hmm .. how to start the setup for exim4 from the debian installer manually ?
08:52.35iostreamDewi: \'
08:52.38psych0Hello6
08:52.46DrShadelooneybird_77590, I could be wrong but I believe it is xchat.org
08:52.46iostreamfireba11: /usr/sbin/exim4-config iirs
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08:52.53iostreamfireba11: iirc*
08:52.55fireba11iostream: thanks
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08:53.19jm_TraceGreen: try contacting the authors about this, or check if it has been fixed in a newer version
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08:54.05fireba11iostream: nopw, no such file ^^
08:54.08fireba11nope
08:54.11valdynpingouin: its used in umts mobile phones
08:54.18looneybird_77590ok will go see.  xchat.com looks like x-rated
08:54.29iostreamfireba11: my bad, try: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
08:54.32pingouinvaldyn: ah ok..
08:54.41pingouinpetemc: thanks for clue
08:54.46eXa_bOyanyone played squid in accelerator more?
08:54.47fireba11iostream: yes, that worked :-)
08:54.48g00seiostream: theoretically, yes, i think
08:54.48eXa_bOy*mode
08:54.53pingouinpetemc: sorry wrong tab completion ;)
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08:55.00b0redanyone understand what's shift in line 3 intends to do? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ljk5uU55.html
08:55.05iostreamg00se: Okay
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08:55.13pingouinvaldyn: thanks for clue about this video format
08:55.57g00seSarge+Gnome. What kind of thing would cause inability to log in to X as any user other than the user i first configured for X?
08:56.02looneybird_77590ok , thats the correct page
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08:56.34asuffieldb0red: yes, all the people who have read the bash manpage
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08:57.40DrShadeg00se, what does it do when you try to login as any other user?
08:57.47mwilsonasuffield: He's too special to read.  He's made that plain in #bash.
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08:58.20g00seDrShade: well it tries, then reverts to the empty login dialog
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09:00.12g00seDrShade: what log(s) would you look in about that?
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09:01.25DrShadeg00se, I'm not sure to be perfectly honest. :\
09:01.44valdyng00se: which dm are you using?
09:01.55net-a_erm, when i type "dpkg -i perl-modules_5.8.4-8_all.deb", it gives me an error that perl5 is not configurated, and whe i type "dpkg -i perl_5.8.4-8_i386.deb" i gives me an error that perl-modules are not configed, what shouold i do?
09:01.56g00sevaldyn: Gnome
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09:02.10valdyng00se: thats not a dm, xdm / kdm / gdm are.
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09:02.38mwilsonnet-a_: man dpkg
09:02.40g00sevaldyn: pardon my ignorance ;-)
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09:04.02g00sevaldyn: if i'm using Gnome, would i likely to be using gdm (not at box now)?
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09:04.14yacyachii alll... my debian seems to work very slow .. can anyone help me out
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09:04.34valdyng00se: it fits to gnome, but its not more likely that you are using that than xdm iirc
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09:04.53valdyng00se: if you are using gdm however , select a different session in its GUI
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09:05.35valdyng00se: ah, 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager'
09:05.36g00sevaldyn: i'l give that a try later. What about errors - what log(s) to look in?
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09:05.56g00sevaldyn: that too ;-)
09:05.59Michevahelp, i cant get my GUI activated...
09:06.07Michevastart x gives a bunch of errors
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09:06.39cahootMicheva: start x typo for startx?
09:07.02valdyng00se: i doubt you have really 'errors' in that sense. Your X is ok, but whatever programs are being run after you log in are quitting at once or dont exist.
09:07.05Michevasorry i mean startx
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09:07.29dracMicheva: So, post your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or Xorg.0.log) at pastebin.com
09:07.34Michevaim in the configuration now, i must select my X Server Driver
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09:08.03valdyng00se: ~/.xsession-errors
09:08.06Michevai have a  Nvidia card but i cant find the correct driver
09:08.22g00sevaldyn: well actually it's not *quite* OK in fact (possibly due to the fact i didn't install X in an optimal way) but i won't go into that ;-)
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09:08.37g00sevaldyn: thanks - i'll look in that file
09:08.54valdyng00se: if you are getting a graphical login screen then X itself is fine.
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09:09.14rhalffMicheva, nvidia has their own drivers at their site.
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09:09.27valdyn!nvidia one-liner
09:09.27dpkgnvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
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09:10.22g00sevaldyn: i get other things like errors if i try to start X apps from a terminal
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09:10.44valdyng00se: like what?
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09:10.56Michevancie oneliner ^_^
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09:10.59Michevanice*
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09:11.38g00sevaldyn: (stretching memory) things like "No display specified for Foo.." iirc
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09:12.52yangxi have an old server running still 2.2 kernel...I wanted to compile there a newer 2.6 kernel, but it gives me some problems...Would it be a good idea to compile the new kernel on a better machine, and just put it there, or does it need some directories installed and modules...
09:12.56valdyng00se: you are running sid / unstable ?
09:12.57yangxI am wondering if the machine could work with the old lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           34 Sep 10 16:09 asm -> /home/yang/linux/include/asm-i386/ from 2.2 kernel
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09:13.58Michevavaldyn: i get an error
09:14.05vorsprungI am trying to build some modules that are in a deb source package
09:14.08Michevai need to add something to the source file
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09:14.38vorsprungHow do I get module-assistant to build with source for the kernel that is currently NOT running
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09:15.53vorsprungI tried m-a -k /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 but it dies
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09:16.41vorsprungthe error is Wrong kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 503.
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09:18.12cahootvorsprung: not as simple as the lack of kernel-headers?
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09:18.45tarzeauwait there is no postscript and pdf viewer in /etc/alternatives for sarge?
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09:18.54tarzeaui will go nuts!
09:18.57tarzeau!qotd0
09:18.57dpkgi heard qotd138 is <PerfDave> tkooda: SO READ THE FUCKING MANUAL FOR THE FUCKING THING YOU'RE FUCKING WELL UPGRADING TO, YOU FUCKING MORON!
09:18.58dhynedine in
09:19.00Michevacan someone help me with the installing of nvidia drivers/modules... ---> the online dies because i need to add something to the source file.
09:19.04valdynvorsprung: what is that sourcetree? a simple extracted tar archive from the appropriate debian package or did you compile a kernel from that tree?
09:19.14tarzeau!seen PerfDave
09:19.15dpkgperfdave <n=grimoire@stanley.ox.compsoc.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 19h 24m 39s ago, saying: 'streuner: Hello'.
09:19.18dhynelobot
09:19.28gr0pemy windowsXP shows me that the IRQ of my lancard is IRQ21, does that mean that in debian that will be also the IRQ of my lancard ?!
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09:19.33valdynMicheva: what is unclear about what dpkg said?
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09:19.36dhynehain ka na niyan?
09:19.41valdynMicheva: it told you to add contrib and nonfree
09:19.53Michevawhere?
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09:20.01valdyn!nvidia one-liner
09:20.01dpkgi heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
09:20.07valdyn!non-free sources
09:20.08dpkgsomebody said non-free sources was edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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09:20.26gr0pemy windowsXP shows me that the IRQ of my lancard is IRQ21, does that mean that in debian that will be also the IRQ of my lancard ?!
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09:20.40tarzeauwindows xp, non-english. is this #debian ?
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09:21.00gr0petarzeau: its related to debian anyway
09:21.00JohnFluxtarzeau: ce ce
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09:22.04cahootgr0pe: why not start linux and check?
09:22.22gr0pecahoot: how can i check?
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09:22.44cahootgr0pe: cat /proc/iterrupts
09:22.45vorsprungvaldyn, cahoot > I think I figured it out - I read the source for m-a, which thankfully was in perl.  I needed a -l option too so it's -k /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 -l 2.4.27
09:22.50cahootgr0pe: cat /proc/interrupts
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09:22.58gr0pecahoot: thanks
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09:23.15Michevavaldyn: well the problem is, im running it from 2 DVD's downloaded from www.debian.org
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09:23.37valdynMicheva: why is that a problem?
09:23.52Michevavaldyn: when im pico'ing the sources.list there is allready a contrib non-free line added after the source-dest.
09:23.55valdynMicheva: those DVD do not contain contrib / non-free ?
09:23.57vevesshi everybody
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09:24.32valdynMicheva: maybe those DVD are old and dont have what is in sarge now
09:24.36vevessi am french so....sorry for my english ;-)
09:24.37Michevavaldyn: probably not then
09:24.41Michevai have 3.1
09:24.46Michevalatest version
09:24.56vevessi need help to install wireless on my laptop
09:25.09streunervevess: what model?
09:25.20vevesslinksys WPC54GS
09:25.23valdynMicheva: run apt-setup and add a mirror of your choice
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09:25.43streunervevess: no, what laptop do you have?
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09:27.30vorsprungvaldyn, cahoot > ok it's all built...now I just need to reboot.  brb
09:27.38M23ok, quick question. EXT3 or ReiserFS for my new deb install?
09:27.55valdyn!default
09:27.56dpkgIf in you don't know any better, always choose the default.
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09:28.09toad_on stable, sometimes, I get a wierd sort of semi-freeze on X. I thought it was keyboard/USB problems but I replaced the motherboard and the keyboard with a PS/2 one and it still happens. What happens is that input from the keyboard doesn't work at all, the mouse still works, but when i select a window it takes ages to refresh it, and CPU is at around 100%, all from the X server
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09:28.17toad_is this a known bug? any ideas on fixing it?
09:28.21streunervevess: so the build-in ethernet card?
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09:28.36M23well I've tried both before on other distros,.....
09:28.41M23ext3 it is
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09:28.49cahootM23: not consistent data to  motivate reiser instaed of ext3
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09:29.22toad_any ideas on my X problem? anyone seen it themselves?
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09:29.30toad_I don't think it's a hardware problem
09:29.40M23cahoot: huh?
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09:30.17eXa_bOyhow big is X?
09:30.18Michevavaldyn: i added contrib after all lines of possible source, doesnt work. same error
09:30.24streunervevess: check out /msg dpkg laptop
09:30.25GuerineXa_bOy: depends on your font
09:30.28eXa_bOyand whats needed to run KDE
09:30.32valdynMicheva: you added non-free?
09:30.34toad_M23: reiser is fast for some things, it can save space on small files, but its fsck is immature and it's far more complex than ext3
09:30.37eXa_bOykk
09:30.38jhaigtoad_: Do you have /home mounted as an NFS share?  Just a thought.
09:30.44GuerineXa_bOy: base + X + KDE > 500MB
09:30.45toad_jhaig: nope
09:30.49eXa_bOysweet
09:30.50cahootM23: you'll have problems finding real hard data to support a choice of reiser instead of ext3
09:30.57vevessok 2sec
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09:31.08toad_no NFSs... a few SMBFS's
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09:31.10jhaigtoad_: It's just that sometimes when I've had a freeze it has turned out to be a dodgy cable.
09:31.13M23cahoot: right. that adds some definition for me. thanks
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09:31.15streunervevess: http://www.intuitivecreations.com/contributions/LinkSysWireless/Linksys-Wireless-Howto.php
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09:31.24Michevavaldyn: the thing after "... main" should be: "contrib non-free"??
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09:31.31toad_jhaig well it doesn't actualy completely freeze...
09:31.34valdynMicheva: yea
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09:31.39JohnFluxcahoot: few would disagree that reiserfs is better at small files
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09:31.43streunervevess: that's for RH, but i think there are some infos which you can use as well...
09:31.45vevesssorry but where can i find it ?
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09:31.55eXa_bOyGuerin... apt-get install base X kde?
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09:32.17streunervevess: use a subject please in your sentence...
09:32.22azoreshello. what do i put after "linux root=" when i boot from floppy disk to my debian partition on the first partition of the first ide harddrive?
09:32.25cahootJohnFlux: maybe but better overall for an ordinary desktop user?
09:32.27streunervevess: can find what?
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09:32.48toad_should I upgrade to etch/sid in order to get the new X.org server? that might fix the crashing? or maybe it's a kernel issue?
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09:32.52vevesswhere can i find /msg ?
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09:32.59Michevavaldyn: still doesnt work, i put: "contrib non-free" after each possible line of source. still doesnt work
09:33.06valdyntoad_: xorg for sarge is on backports.org
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09:33.09streunertoad_: /msg dpkg xorg sarge
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09:33.19valdynMicheva: so let us know what error you are getting
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09:33.42toad_sarge + xorg is more stable than etch?
09:33.58eXa_bOyis kde prefered over gnome?
09:33.58Michevashould i retype it here? :S
09:34.00streunervevess: just type the command in your irc-client
09:34.43streunereXa_bOy: no
09:34.57eXa_bOywhats everyone running then?
09:35.03toad_eXa_bOy: i prefer kde ;)
09:35.05GuerineXa_bOy: whatever everyone wants
09:35.07azoresi thought it should be "linux root=/dev/hda" or "linux root=/dev/hda1" but neither worked. if i boot into the installation cd and do "fdisk -l" it shows me the disk is /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc and the debian partition is /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 which is strange. and i tried both neither did work.
09:35.10toad_eXa_bOy: some people prefer gnome
09:35.10streunereXa_bOy: you can use whatevery you like in debian
09:35.16GuerineXa_bOy: most people prefer neither
09:35.19streuners/whatevery/whatever/
09:35.25eXa_bOyive never used a linux gui before
09:35.33streunerthere is a popular site about
09:35.42JohnFluxeXa_bOy: kde is better :)
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09:35.44dpkgrumour has it, xwinman is <URL:http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/>
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09:35.53GuerinJohnFlux: you just say that because you're a dev
09:36.01yangxi have an old server running still 2.2 kernel...I wanted to compile there a newer 2.6 kernel, but it gives me some problems...Would it be a good idea to compile the new kernel on a better machine, and just put it there, or does it need some directories installed and modules...
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09:36.05yangxI am wondering if the machine could work with the old lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           34 Sep 10 16:09 asm -> /home/yang/linux/include/asm-i386/ from 2.2 kernel
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09:36.15Guerintoad_: evilwm or openbox ... xfce4 if i really need teh chrome
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09:36.32fireba11yangx: why do you want to compile the kernel yourself in the first place ?
09:36.41toad_ok, well is it fair to say nobody has had my bug?
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09:36.50toad_so maybe it's a kernel problem or something?
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09:36.52Guerinyangx: woody won't play nice with a 2.6 kernel. If you want to run 2.6, upgrade the whole shop.
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09:37.10Guerinyangx: but that's a stupid idea - rule #1: if it works, don't fuck with it.
09:37.13toad_fireba11: maybe because he has hardware support for which was added post-2.6.8?
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09:37.23Guerintoad_: don't guess.
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09:37.37toad_Guerin well that's my justification for compiling a kernel myself
09:37.39fireba11toad_: doubt that .. 2.2 is pretty old
09:37.44toad_I need IT8212 support
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09:37.51Guerintoad_: and a poor justification it is, too.
09:37.55fireba11hehe
09:37.57vevesswitch parameter do you want ? in /msg
09:37.57vorsprungre
09:38.01eXa_bOywho here is in a linux gui talking to us right now?
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09:38.06vorsprungthe modules now work
09:38.10Guerin!tell eXa_bOy about polls
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09:38.15toad_Guerin: how so? module packages do *not* exist for very many
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09:38.19streunervevess: /msg dpkg laptop
09:38.24toad_anyway
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09:38.39toad_it's not a commonly reported bug (X semi-freezing as I said) ?
09:38.40streunervevess: too much trafic, use my nick please...
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09:39.00litagei created an inetOrgPerson in my ldap directory, set their userPassword attrib, but am unable to login or perform a search as them. why might that be?
09:39.01streunervevess: otherwise my nick won't highlighted...
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09:40.22eXa_bOyhas anyone written stuff for kde to act like mac? ie when you minimise the window pours into the dock
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09:40.48eXa_bOywhats with the bots?
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09:41.02streunereXa_bOy: use irssi
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09:41.20eXa_bOyirssi? whats that?
09:41.23streunereXa_bOy: and nospambot.pl (/msg dpkg nopspambots)
09:41.29streuner!info irssi-text
09:41.32dpkgirssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 781 kB, Installed size: 2436 kB
09:42.02streuneri asked RichiH twice the last days, but no response yet
09:42.33Guerinok, my turn to poll
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09:42.44eXa_bOylol
09:42.44Guerinam i the only person who has a /wtf dir in root?
09:42.50dondelelcaroGuerin: probably
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09:43.16eXa_bOywhat you put in it?
09:43.20eXa_bOyjust crap?
09:43.42jhaigI've done an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and all packages have been installed except x-window-system-core, which is a meta package for X.  Why doesn't this get upgraded?
09:43.51vevessstreuner: i can't find /msg
09:44.04streuner!tell vevess about laptop
09:44.04Guerinyeah, just random root-stuff like log snippets and solo packages and scripts that get run every blue moon or so
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09:44.51Guerintoad_: eminently sensible
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09:45.17toad_lol a complement :)
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09:45.24Guerincompliment
09:45.27toad_is it possible that the X freezes are caused by 2.6.13?
09:45.36Guerintoad_: anything's possible
09:45.58eXa_bOyim upto Get:460
09:45.59toad_problem is i can only use 2.6.13 and 2.6.11-ac with this hardware
09:46.01Guerinfreezes are a hardware or kernel issue
09:46.21Guerinpoor performance or unusual app behavior are more likely a program issue
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09:46.46toad_Guerin well it doesn't completely freeze, it just stops accepting keyboard input and X uses 99% cpu, windows take ages to refresh when you switch between them
09:46.53toad_so technically i suppose it's poor performance
09:46.57toad_like a livelock or something
09:47.06eXa_bOyare there guis to apps in kde for like : mysql, apache, postfix?
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09:47.13Guerincould be either, but sounds more like an X issue to me.
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09:47.16JohnFluxtoad_: I had problems with .13 and went back to .12
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09:47.24GuerineXa_bOy: god no. Why would there be?
09:47.27JohnFluxtoad_: Have you ran a mem checker?
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09:47.35toad_JohnFlux: not recently
09:47.39eXa_bOycause it would be cool.
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09:47.43toad_a while back
09:47.46drac"kernel problem" also includes possibly external gfx card modules inserted to it, thus making it driver issue
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09:47.53eXa_bOyand nerds like cool stuff :P
09:47.55GuerineXa_bOy: no, such things are the opposite of cool.
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09:48.04toad_i'm not getting many correctible incidents either...
09:48.05Guerindrac: exactly.
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09:48.11bombeXa_b0y: real nerds don't use GUIs.
09:48.14toad_yeah, that's worrying
09:48.18Guerintoad_: killing and restarting X fixes it?
09:48.20toad_as i have an nvidia...
09:48.20eXa_bOyROFL ... i was waiting for that
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09:48.37toad_Guerin: no, killing X produces a blank screen and no way to switch VTs
09:48.40Guerinbomb: it's not that ... it's that real apps can't be fully configured with guis.
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09:48.53bombword
09:48.56eXa_bOylol
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09:49.03Guerintoad_: you can't ctrl+alt+bkspc or kill your dm to return to a shell?
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09:49.12bombi am beginning to realize that i have almost no need for X these days
09:49.17bombunless i wanna watch a dvd or something
09:49.21eXa_bOycould you imagine the form that would conrtol apache.. jesus!
09:49.26Guerini need it for browsing web
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09:49.33toad_Guerin can't use ctrl+alt+f1/f2/etc
09:49.37GuerineXa_bOy: now you start to understand.
09:49.39toad_and i think can't use ctrl+alt+bksp
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09:49.44eXa_bOylol
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09:49.57Guerintoad_: can you shell in from outside and run commands thataway?
09:50.04toad_yes, that's how i killed X
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09:50.14eXa_bOybut mac is a nerds OS and its got the best gui in the world
09:50.16toad_well not last time (sshd was off), but the time before i did
09:50.26Guerintoad_: and it worked normally, or as you described?
09:50.34toad_eXa_bOy: mac is an os for teachers and artists
09:50.56GuerineXa_bOy: bah
09:50.58eXa_bOyall the nerds i know have macs
09:50.58toad_Guerin it showed 100% cpu used by X, and when I killed it, it blanked the screen with a cursor at the top, and still didn't respond to keyboard
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09:51.07GuerineXa_bOy: you don't know very many, then
09:51.12eXa_bOybullshit.
09:51.20Guerintoad_: yeah, much more like kernel now.
09:51.27toad_hmmmmmm
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09:51.30eXa_bOythey like it cause you have your unix shit, but pretty pictures too.
09:51.51GuerineXa_bOy: riiight.
09:52.03bob2"best gui" is pretty subjective
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09:52.09bob2I found it way too in-my-face
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09:52.12dractoad_: does this lockup start with opengl (game, screensaver) program running?
09:52.13Guerinagreed
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09:52.16bob2I don't give a fuck if something is maximised
09:52.18eXa_bOyit has... just accpt it
09:52.21Guerinand bloody hard to actually get anything done
09:52.22bob2you don't need to bounce it around for me
09:52.24bob2eXa_bOy: stop being an idiot
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09:52.49GuerineXa_bOy: nope, i'm not about 'just accepting' things that random idiots tell me are true based on marketroid hype
09:52.51toad_so my options are a) try 2.6.13.1 (sensible, but won't make any difference as there's nothing in the changelog), b) 2.6.11-ac, c) 2.6.14rc1 (will have *different* bugs)
09:52.52eXa_bOysif im being an idiot.
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09:53.02Guerinsee, he admits it
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09:53.16bob2haha
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09:53.23eXa_bOysif = as if
09:53.25bob2eXa_bOy: the fact you like it does not make it the "best gui"
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09:53.28eXa_bOyits leet speek.
09:53.32PhatedHAHAHAHAHHA
09:53.32Guerintoad_: tried patching a debian source?
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09:53.41YoeeXa_bOy: leet speak is soooo 1980's
09:53.41toad_Guerin you mean the kernel?
09:53.42GuerineXa_bOy: what is?
09:53.45eXa_bOyi dont use mac mate. im just observing.
09:53.48Guerintoad_: yeah.
09:53.53toad_hmmm
09:53.57toad_why?
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09:53.59PhatedeXa_bOy: You've just lost any credibility you might have had.
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09:54.19GuerineXa_bOy: mitsubishi's are the best cars ... i know because my mate has a evoIV an its soooo f4st
09:54.20toad_2.6.8-debian + IT8212 driver...
09:54.23eXa_bOylol i have none in here. im a newbie
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09:54.33Guerintoad_: no, a modern debian source.
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09:54.43toad_Guerin is there one? sarge has 2.6.8
09:54.47Guerintoad_: like 2.6.12 from sid
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09:54.57Guerintoad_: see packages.debian.org
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09:55.04bob2eXa_bOy: no one cares if you're a newbie, but your arrogance and use of leet speak is what caused yo uto lose credibility
09:55.22eXa_bOyaaagh come off it. i use 1 word and everyone has a whinge
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09:56.30Michevavaldyn: you still there?
09:56.33vorsprungat last.  I have a working WLAN and scsi
09:56.35Guerini think the following link is appropriate: http://www.hohto.to/forums/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=17720
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09:57.12Alyonehttp://www.nextworld.ru/?rid=55967-help me please!
09:57.14morkeI installed Debian and ALSA didn't detect any sound card, but OSS did, but in OSS I cant set up some equilizer function , so I need ALSA ? What to do to ?
09:57.30toad_Guerin 2.6.11 in sid...
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09:57.53Guerin!info linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 sid
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09:57.58dpkglinux-image-2.6.12-1-686: (Linux kernel 2.6.12 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-6 (sid), Packaged size: 16296 kB, Installed size: 47436 kB
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09:58.08Guerintoad_: thar 'tis
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09:58.28toad_what's the diff. between linux-image and kernel-image packages?
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09:59.48revenger__does anyone know how I can print a sequence of letters? actually I need the alphabet from A-Z..
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10:00.07bombmorke: run alsaconf
10:00.13revenger__something like in perl print A..Z;
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10:00.26r4c31when i try to install debian, it tryes to detect my lancard, witch comes with my Mb, chipset nForce2, so i choose module forcedeth(nForce2), but it says that to detect my card i need to enter irq=? and io=?x??..what should i do?
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10:01.11toad_hmmm
10:01.12Yoer4c31: have you tried without entering anything?
10:01.24toad_i got the source package for kernel-image-2.6.11
10:01.34streunerbob2: that's his usual behavior, he want let us know how nice his website (gentoo) is ... ;-)
10:01.41r4c31Yoe:yeah, then i finish the install successfuly, but i cant insmod forcedeth later
10:01.47YoeIC
10:01.47morkebomb THANKS A LOT !!! I knew that command in the past, but I forget totally .
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10:02.11toad_where's the patch?
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10:02.33toad_Guerin i got the source package for kernel-image-2.6.11 ... where are the debian specific patches?
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10:03.05Guerintoad_: in there.
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10:03.15Guerin!tell toad_ about kp
10:03.19Guerin!tell toad_ about kp mantra
10:03.30r4c31Yoe:can you help me?
10:03.38Guerintoad_: read that funky manpage
10:03.40Yoer4c31: no, sorry
10:03.47eXa_bOyive freed up a server that i was using as a gateway sinse ive installed my wireless, can anyone think of what i should run on it?
10:03.55r4c31Yoe: ;(
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10:05.15r4c31can someone help me ?
10:05.16r4c31when i try to install debian, it tryes to detect my lancard, witch comes with my Mb, chipset nForce2, so i choose module forcedeth(nForce2), but it says that to detect my card i need to enter irq=? and io=?x??..what should i do?
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10:05.21eXa_bOyim running debian and installing kde now. might put CVS on it
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10:05.27GuerineXa_bOy: a honeypot
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10:05.43bob2r4c31: can you borrow another NIC for a bi?
10:05.43js_xiri run a second debian installation in vmware for testingstuff ... anybody knows how to switch back to the parent-os without mouse ?
10:05.45pem3v78r4c31: what motherboard ?
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10:05.46eXa_bOywhat on earth is that?
10:05.51toad_hmmm
10:05.52toad_seeya
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10:06.14r4c31pem3v78: Asus, with chipset nForce2
10:06.44eXa_bOy!tell eXa_bOy about honeypot
10:06.51pem3v78give model
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10:07.10r4c31oh... wait
10:07.11eXa_bOy!tell eXa_bOy about honey pot
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10:07.30Guerin!fgi eXa_bOy honeypot+unix
10:07.31dpkgeXa_bOy: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=honeypot+unix
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10:08.17eXa_bOynoot funny Guerin
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10:09.28r4c31pem3v78:ASUS A7N8X, sorry for delay
10:10.03eXa_bOywhat you do for a living Guerin?
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10:10.39enkravHello, do I need all 3 debian cds for the base-install or just the first?
10:10.59streuner!d-i enkrav
10:10.59r4c31enkrav: just the 1st
10:10.59dpkgenkrav, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.
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10:11.15eXa_bOyi would say just first, but someone will no doubt correct me
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10:11.38r4c31eXa_bOy: and you are correct
10:12.09r4c31pem3v78: my MB is ASUS A7N8X, can you help me when you have that info?
10:12.44Dave-BHi, can anyone help with Eclipse 3.1 using the backports.org packages?
10:12.46Dave-BMy install won't ren beyond "Loaded org.eclipse.ui.intro" :-(
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10:13.26aasgkmhm
10:13.26bomb[0m[34mú[1m[30mí[0m[34mú[0m drac  is identified to services
10:13.31bomback wtf
10:13.37bomb#eclipse        60   Eclipse project http://www.eclipse.org -
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10:13.42bombdrac: you still around?
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10:13.45r4c31can someone help me?
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10:14.42valdynr4c31: leave that empty
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10:15.04r4c31valdyn: then i dont have network...
10:15.11r4c31valdyn: whats the use?
10:15.14pem3v78r4c31: someone reported that SiS 900/7016 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter driver worked for him
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10:15.19GuerineXa_bOy: as little as possible
10:15.20dracbomb: yeah
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10:15.30eXa_bOylol
10:15.31pem3v78have you checked the nvidia driver as well ?
10:15.40eXa_bOyyou a uni student then yeah
10:15.40bombdrac: you were talking about opengl apps crashing X
10:15.41eXa_bOy:P
10:15.43bombwhat causes tht
10:15.45valdynr4c31: you dont have to enter io / irq values for pci devices, i have no idea why you think you "have" to enter that..
10:15.55bombi can crash X just by playing gl-117
10:16.01bombwith nothing else running
10:16.07r4c31pem3v78: where do i get that driver?
10:16.24bombtesting on the 2.6.11-1-386 kernel
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10:16.28dracbomb: Could be AGP FastWrite enabled in X configuration, or System BIOS.
10:16.33GuerineXa_bOy: hell no, i do far less now that when i was a university student
10:16.37bombit never crashed when i played that game on xfree86
10:16.39dracbomb: _could_
10:16.39eXa_bOyROFL!
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10:16.47eXa_bOyhow do you start kde
10:16.48eXa_bOy?
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10:16.51valdynr4c31: ctrl-alt-f1, modprobe forcedeth, see what happens
10:17.01Guerinnot sure about what it's like nowadays, but uni back in the 1990s was HARD
10:17.01valdynr4c31: ctrl-alt-f2, modprobe forcedeth, see what happens
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10:17.10GuerineXa_bOy: startkde
10:17.14dracbomb: Or just generally drivers, other settings of drivers.. there is no one right answer :/
10:17.26r4c31valdyn: im in my xp now....
10:17.48pem3v78forcedeth is for nvidia chipset cards and he has Realtek 8201
10:18.01eXa_bOykpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server
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10:18.04bombi don't see any Option for 'AGP FastWrite' on xorg.conf
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10:18.20sherif_yumy yumyy just installed sarge in QUBE2 cobalt miniserver ;-)
10:18.22r4c31pem3v78:i have nforce2 chipset
10:18.26Guerin!tell eXa_bOy about logs
10:18.39pem3v78chipset doesn't count, net network card chipset does
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10:19.01valdynbomb: thats to be expected, it has nothing to do with X itself, run 'modinfo nvidia' for example
10:19.14bombor modinfo ati...
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10:19.27eXa_bOyGuerin what log would that startkde tirgger?
10:19.29valdynbomb: sure
10:19.40bombnothing
10:19.46r4c31pem3v78: so where do i get SiS 900/7016 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter module?
10:19.47valdynbomb: though the ati propretary driver is called fglrx
10:19.47bombmodinfo for radeon though
10:20.00GuerineXa_bOy: think reeeallly hard about what programs were having trouble.
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10:20.14pem3v78it's not in the debian install ?
10:20.18valdynbomb: modinfo works on kernel modules, thats where agp fast write is done.
10:20.19bombah ok
10:20.22renetichi
10:20.41streunerr4c31: SiS 900 is supported in kernels by default (2.6.x)
10:20.57valdynbomb: i wouldnt bother changing it however, i see zero benefit from it
10:21.00streunerr4c31: what kernel do you use? (cat /proc/version)
10:21.00r4c31streuner: the base install includes kernel 2.4.27
10:21.03eXa_bOyrofl...
10:21.04renetichr
10:21.07renetichello
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10:21.17r4c31anyway what is the name of that driver?
10:21.28bombwell, i was just curious why xorg moved into testing when it still seems to crash easily
10:21.36r4c31the exact name at /lib/modules/..../kernel/drivers/net
10:21.42streunerr4c31: sis900
10:21.46r4c31thanks
10:21.46valdynbomb: it does work fine for most people
10:21.53r4c31ill leave now
10:21.55renetichow to download yahoo messenger
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10:22.18eXa_bOyit was actually xsetroot that started cracking the poops first :( then xset then xsetroot then startkde....
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10:23.10GuerineXa_bOy: subtle hint, that
10:23.55streunerwtf, bash is at 100 % CPU
10:23.55eXa_bOywell there are no logs for anyof them
10:24.27swardbomb: After a certain time without problems, almost anything makes it into testing.. you do report bugs don't you? :P
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10:25.00eXa_bOyok i give up on this crap. got better things to do... time for ps2 action
10:25.02reneticsomebody know how to download yahoo messenger?
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10:25.08valdynsward: beside that, simple bugs dont block anything
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10:25.14bombsward: i plan on reporting a bug, i already talked to gravity about it
10:25.29bombi can lock up xorg so bad, i can't even power down with the power button
10:25.38swardvaldyn: Freezing/crashing isn't exactly simple
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10:25.45jm_sounds more like a kernel bug then
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10:26.02peterSnot always
10:26.10valdynsward: depends how often it happens and for how many people
10:26.26jm_I always hated it how X could screw up console and make keyboard unrsponsive
10:26.31peterSX has direct control of a PCI bus, that's enough to bypass any lockup safety the kernel could reasonably impose
10:26.32bombjm_: that's another thing, it never locked up when i was still on the 2.6.8 kernel
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10:26.47bombi'm not sure what is causing the crash, the kernel upgrade, or running xorg
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10:27.06swardAha! New the story's coming out!
10:27.11GuerinpeterS: hrm, interesting.
10:27.11sward*Now
10:27.17jm_bomb: nothing in logs? tried attaching serial console?
10:27.39bombjm_: how would i go about doing that
10:27.48peterSGuerin: moral of the tale: if something runs as root and pokes the hardware directly, it's an exception to the general rule "apps can't screw up the system, only kernel bugs can do that"
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10:28.22TyreseJonesWhich kernel module is needed to get a usb printer working?
10:28.37streunernone
10:28.43bob2probably usblp or something, but it's part of the default debian kernels
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10:28.46peterSTyreseJones: it's called 'usblp'
10:28.46streunerTyreseJones: HP?
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10:28.50jm_bomb: another computer + serial cable is the easiest
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10:29.09bombi didn't even know you could do that
10:29.13valdynjust sshing in from remote can do that too
10:29.30TyreseJonesstreuner- No, samsung ml1210
10:29.30bombthat sounds like a better option i can ssh in from this desktop
10:29.37jm_what exactly does X do with that - I thought it only needs to care about graphic card and input devices
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10:29.45TyreseJonespeterS- usblp? Thanks!
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10:30.12jm_bomb: well ssh might also work as long as it doesn't crash really badly (say in an interrupt handler)
10:30.18GuerinpeterS: but x isn't running as root, so ...
10:30.24jm_Guerin: it is
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10:30.41peterSGuerin: sure it is
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10:30.45bombjm_: i'm pretty sure it's crashing badly, i have to force a shutdown at the powere supply switch
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10:30.53peterSGuerin: see for yourself: ps -fu root | grep X
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10:31.12valdynbomb: just try..
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10:31.23bombbooting it up i a sec
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10:31.26bombi need tea
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10:32.19TyreseJonesstreuner- peterS - I just typed modprobe printer, and the thing came to life!!!
10:32.41peterSTyreseJones: oh yeah, the module was called 'printer' in a former life.  in recent 2.6 kernels it is 'usblp' though
10:32.58streuner!congratulate TyreseJones
10:32.59dpkgYay TyreseJones, you did it!
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10:33.22TyreseJonespeterS- I must remember that when i upgrade the kernel - But then, in my world, if it ain't broke, it don't get fixed!
10:33.28peterSright
10:33.30TyreseJonesstreuner- Thanks
10:33.32jm_bomb: in that case it will be visible on serial console
10:33.33litagewhere does ldap keep its listing of syntaxes that attributes use?
10:33.47peterSlitage: /etc/slapd/* I think
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10:34.16peterSlitage: "schemas" is the word you're looking for, ldap schema files
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10:35.15litagepeterS: actually i'm interested in syntaxes, not schemas. attributetypes and objectclasses are specified within schemas, and attributetypes use syntaxes. i'm interested in creating my own syntaxes
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10:35.46Wilfhi apt!
10:35.47toresbeHm, forgot to add this to my autojoin
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10:35.53peterSlitage: oh, my mistake.  anyway I thought those were in there too, but I could be wrong, and I can't check right now as I don't have an ldap server installed
10:36.12bombjm_: need to obtain a serial cable, going to try ssh for now
10:36.31bombi had an external modem with a cable attached to it somewhere but who knows where it is
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10:36.51toresbebomb: You mean, serial between two computers?
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10:36.55litagepeterS: np, thanks for trying to help though  :)
10:36.55bombwhat do i need to pay attention to while i am ssh'd in
10:37.07bombtoresbe: yes
10:37.15toresbebomb: You'd need a null-modem cable for that, not straight serial like what comes with a modem
10:37.23bombah well there you go
10:37.24jm_bomb: modem cable won't work
10:37.29bombi'm cable-less either way
10:37.49bombwhat should i be checking after it locks up
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10:37.56bomb(if i can even look around afterwards)
10:37.59toresbebomb: You can do what I did, just use scsisors and switch tx and rx wires
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10:38.44bombtoresbe: i am high and half asleep, no way i can deal with scissors right now.
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10:38.55toresbeheheh
10:38.57looneybird_77590,ok its time for a crash course on  Nvidia install.  did a bunch of reading earlier. but still dont fully understand the procedure
10:39.15valdyn!nvidia one-liner
10:39.15dpkgnvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
10:39.21valdynlooneybird_77590: understanding isnt required
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10:39.28toresbevaldyn: that's nice
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10:39.57TyreseJones<PROTECTED>
10:39.58toresbe!gentoo
10:39.58dpkggentoo is probably a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg
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10:40.06toresbesee the bash link :]
10:40.15xiaoanyone has sysv-rc-bootsplash for sysv-rc 2.86?
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10:40.20valdynTyreseJones: just dont use insmod..
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10:40.23valdyn!insmod
10:40.23dpkgSorry, that command doesn't exist.  Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load.  NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6.  Use modprobe.  Did we mention "modprobe" yet?
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10:41.13TyreseJonesvaldyn- I might not actually have a choice, i'm running a thinclient setup, and it uses insmod to help automatically configure some of the terminals
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10:41.21toresbeTyreseJones: hello :P
10:41.28valdynTyreseJones: you have to insmod depend manually
10:41.32valdynTyreseJones: you have to insmod depends manually
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10:41.50TyreseJoneshmm.... i'm not really in the mood for that!
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10:43.08hyperstreamCan't locate Gtk2.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./xgame-gtk2 line 19.
10:43.08hyperstreamBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./xgame-gtk2 line 19.
10:44.48dondelelcaro!+find Gtk2.pm
10:44.50dpkgUpdating debian files... please wait.
10:44.57dpkgDebian Search of 'Gtk2.pm' (2): (/usr/lib/perl5/Gtk2.pm) in perl/libgtk2-perl ;; (/usr/share/fvwm/perllib/FVWM/Module/Gtk2.pm) in x11/fvwm,x11/fvwm-gnome.
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10:45.10dondelelcarohyperstream: see above, and /msg dpkg search.
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10:45.52looneybird_77590ok , where do i find.  --->Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>
10:46.13valdynlooneybird_77590: that means you should '/msg dpkg non-free sources'
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10:46.14looneybird_77590synaptic?
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10:47.19hyperstreamdondelelcaro, ahh what do i do with the above?
10:47.23hyperstreamwhich result
10:47.24pem3v78hyperstream: you are missing a library
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10:47.52pem3v78try looking inside CPAN and go to #perl for better help
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10:50.07bombthis isn't going to work, ssh just locks up when my testing box crashes
10:50.15bombi need to get the proper serial cable
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10:50.22bombi want to know why this is happening
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10:51.29ma3xhello
10:51.44ma3xdo you know how to remove boot loader from (hd0,0) ?
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10:51.59bombma3x: you mean wipe the mbr?
10:52.04jm_why bother?
10:52.06ma3xbomb, yeah
10:52.09valdynma3x: there is no point in removing it, you want to install something else
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10:52.21ma3xuhm, not exactly from mbr
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10:52.40bombma3x: how are you going to boot your system
10:52.43Guerinma3x: yes, you do.
10:52.51ma3xbut i've installed like on mbr and on the other partitions top
10:52.55Guerinma3x: the MBR is the boot record on the master disk
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10:53.16Guerinma3x: tell your bios to boot from another partition and you're good to go.
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10:53.49ma3x*too
10:53.49ma3xso now if I select the OS to boot, it comes back to the boot manager
10:53.49ma3xso I can never boot
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10:54.24ma3xGuerin, let's say I have 5 partitions
10:54.24ma3xso every one of them can have boot manager?
10:54.24ma3xor there is one for all?
10:54.24ma3xthere's no such option
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10:54.41ma3xwhat the hell?
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10:54.47ma3xam I lagged or something?
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10:54.55jm_no, just stupid
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10:55.04ma3xjm_ you don't understand
10:55.15jm_ma3x: no, *you* don't understand
10:55.22ma3xokay look!
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10:55.30ma3xthere is grub installed on MBR
10:55.33Guerinma3x: sorry; one disk can have one boot manager
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10:55.37ma3xAnd there are 3 os's
10:55.39Guerinpartitions can't
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10:55.49ma3xand then when I select to boot debian it's okay
10:55.49Guerinthe MBR is on the master DISK
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10:56.04js_do drives on the hpt 374 sata card appear as ide?
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10:56.30ma3xbut when i select to boot the other OS, it comes back to the grub prompt
10:56.30ma3xso what the hell is wrong?
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10:56.47jm_GRUB has error messages
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10:56.55jm_it woul dprint one if there was an error
10:57.04ma3xwell it said something about partition type unknown
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10:57.11ma3xbut accepted it
10:57.14ma3xand then returned back
10:57.17jm_ahh it said something which you just ignored, good work
10:57.25ma3xI couldn't see it that fast
10:57.30ma3xit comes back in half second
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10:57.42jm_I bet you have a root entry for NTFS or some such, and it fails
10:57.46MortalmanWhy does sarge install grub rather than lilo ?   I'm great with lilo, but can't figure out grub worth shit.
10:57.49toresbejm_: come on, be nice
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10:57.55ma3xOK, you said one disk can only have 1 boot manager, right?
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10:58.07jm_no, it has one MBR
10:58.16bombMortalman: if you do a linux26 or expert26 you can choose lilo
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10:58.28ma3xwhat about the boot mngr's then?
10:58.31Irrlicht@Mortalman sarge will install lilo if you use exper option  at boot prompt
10:58.43Mortalmancool
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10:58.58jm_don't bother with them, check your GRUB config file and fix it
10:59.12MortalmanBut what's with brub being default... does it do certain thinga better than lilo ?
10:59.23ma3xjm_, if you want to install grub, you can install it on hd0,0 hd0,1,2 ...
10:59.23ma3xright?
10:59.25Mortalmans/thinga/things
10:59.27bombMortalman: i believe lilo is now deprecated, it's old
10:59.34bombyou should be using GRUB anyway
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10:59.47jm_ma3x: yes, but that's not needed
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11:00.00ma3xjm_, that's my problem. I've installed it on all of them
11:00.04jm_and I wouldn't install it on such a partition if it's a Windows one
11:00.05ma3xand now how do I clear those?
11:00.05Mortalmanbomb: I'm getting that feeling, but no one can tell me why. heh
11:00.09jm_ma3x: ok so you screwed up
11:00.14ma3xyes I did!
11:00.15Irrlichtboth lilo and grub do what they have to...to let you boot your system
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11:00.22ma3xnow how do I unscrew?
11:00.32bombMortalman: i prefer LILO too, it's much easier to just add sections for whatever else you want to boot but i still use GRUB now
11:00.33jm_do you have backups?
11:00.39ma3xjm_, backups of what?
11:00.46jm_ma3x: of whatever you have changed ...
11:01.18ma3xjm_, I went to grub's promt and installed it on hd0,0 hd0,1 and so on ....
11:01.20ma3xso how can you have backup of that?
11:01.27ma3xit makes no sense
11:01.32jm_ma3x: ok then I can only say good luck
11:01.39ma3xwell damnit
11:01.44ma3xgrub has setup option
11:01.47jm_you should make backups before you run commands you don't understand
11:01.48ma3xdoesn't it have remove option?
11:01.56jm_it won't help you
11:02.02ma3xjm_, backups of what?? the boot record?
11:02.05Irrlicht@ma3x: why not in MBR
11:02.07ma3xhow can you make backup of that?
11:02.16jm_ma3x: of everything that you changed with your setup commands
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11:02.34jm_it's trivial to make backups of those sectors
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11:02.47ma3xyou're not clear
11:02.52ma3xit's impossible to make backup for that?
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11:03.04jm_no, it's easily doable
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11:03.23ma3xyou would backup the whole partition just for that stupid grub install?
11:03.23ma3xthat's not the point
11:03.24ma3xi'm looking for a grub uninstall option
11:03.27ma3xremove, whatever...
11:03.37ma3xbut looks like you have no exeprience with gurb
11:03.42jm_no, no need to backup the partition, just the sectors that setup command touches
11:03.43ma3xgrub*,eh
11:03.54jm_like I said, even if there was such an option, it won't help you
11:03.54ma3xno idea how can i backup that
11:03.57ma3xhear for the first time
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11:04.03ma3xjm why not?
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11:04.11pem3v78ma3x: 'dd' command is for that
11:04.11ma3xit will just remove the boot mgr from that partition
11:04.19hyperstreamhow can i make it so my useraccount hyperstream can run x session's im getting: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
11:04.22hyperstreamim using xorg
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11:04.52jm_ma3x: no, those sectors contain important data for other OS-es - you're mostly OK if it's Linux partitions, but if it's Windows then you'll most likely have to reinstall it
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11:05.16ma3xoh, geez
11:05.20jm_hyperstream: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot
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11:05.30ma3xso why it fucks up like that?
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11:05.43jm_it doesn't fuck up, you told it what to do and it went and did it
11:05.45ma3xthere must be some way
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11:05.51pem3v78ma3x: windoze can fix it
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11:05.59ma3xpem3v78, im listening
11:06.11jm_yes, Windows has so called repair option, but I bet it won't fix it
11:06.21Irrlichtwindoze is a pork...
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11:06.30pem3v78use recovery console during install
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11:06.43xerophytehow can i get reverse dns from the ip address i mean with windows ping -a will tell you the hostname for the ip .. how can i do it with linux
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11:06.55ma3xjm_, why do you bet? It will clear the MBR and then what?
11:06.55ma3xpem3v78, to clear the MBR?
11:06.55jm_xerophyte: man host
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11:07.20ma3xand then I setup grub on hd0 right?
11:07.26jm_ma3x: find out what data Windows keeps on the sectors you just overwrote and you'll know why
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11:07.55pem3v78ma3x: why don't you read a howto on booting ?
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11:08.05looneybird_77590ok , i cut+pasted this--->apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepa re && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe n vidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86/msg dpk g non-free sources     .               results =  module-assistant,   kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 ,   kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 ,  build-esse
11:08.05looneybird_77590(installed) .   and   Error....  Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source
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11:08.48ma3xjm_, it's easy for you to say find out, without telling how
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11:09.51Irrlicht@ma3x: may I ask you what do you want to do?
11:10.02jm_ma3x: well with search engines, documents that go into technical details about file systems that are used by Windows (say ntfs/*fat*)
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11:11.00ma3xIrrlicht, I installed GRUB on windows partition. Now when I select to boot into that partition, it returns back infinitely to the grub loader
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11:11.38t31hi all o/
11:11.42ma3xokay pem3v78 said the boot disk will clear the mbr
11:11.44enycma3x: well yes, thats because GRUB is on that partition
11:11.52hyperstreamjm_,  umm mit-magic-cookie method is insecure. is there any other way around it? this application needs to be able to run x servers. its called xgame,
11:11.54ma3xbut jm_ says he doubt it , itwould help
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11:11.56yacyachow do i setup my modem
11:11.57enycma3x: so, if you 'chainloader +1' that paritition, you start grub ;p
11:12.04t31after a long googling I havent found out why my xdm says all the time, unsecure session, any idea?
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11:12.10jm_hyperstream: how exactly is it insecure?
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11:12.21Irrlichtcan you chroot in your Linux partition
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11:12.28bombenyc: i think he has GRUB in two places, that's why it is looping
11:12.34hyperstream<PROTECTED>
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11:12.36bombnot really sure what he is even talking about
11:12.46ma3xenyc, should I remvoe chainloader +1 from that partition?
11:12.46ma3xIrrlicht, don't know anything about chroot
11:12.48pem3v78ma3x: just follow http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html and you'll be set
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11:12.57ma3xlemme checkitout
11:12.59enycma3x: you need to have a better plan of what you want to do and how you want to do it...
11:13.01jm_xhost + is inescure, not xauth method, that factoid should be fixed
11:13.06enycma3x: err hangin ill open a convesation with you
11:13.11jm_no idea why someone added that crap to it
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11:13.21hyperstreamwhich method would you recommend?
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11:13.27jm_sux
11:13.27hyperstreamof the two
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11:13.33hyperstreamyeah im using sux
11:13.40hyperstreami do 'sux hyperstream'
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11:13.50hyperstreambut i still get the unauth'd error
11:14.12hyperstreamalso if im a user and i do: sux , it asks for the root password
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11:14.23hyperstreamenter that. and get the same error
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11:14.46jm_try doing it manually with xauth, see if it works
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11:14.51hyperstreamX: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.  xinit:  Server error. Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
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11:14.57jm_uff duh
11:15.02jm_that's something completely else
11:15.07hyperstreamoo sorry
11:15.09hyperstream:(
11:15.23jm_you can fix that with dpkg-reconfigure, at least with xfree86
11:15.29hyperstreamim xorg
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11:15.38hyperstreamdpkg-reconfigure xorg ?
11:15.42jm_I don't know about x.org, check if it still uses Xwrapper.config
11:15.43jm_no
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11:15.51Yoexserver-xorg
11:15.54Mortidpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it'd be.
11:15.55MortiYeah.
11:15.59jm_no that either
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11:16.17jm_xserver-common with XFree86
11:16.18Yoejm_: uh, why not?
11:16.24jm_Yoe: because
11:16.30Yoeah, then it'll be xserver-common with xorg, too
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11:17.43hyperstreamok why do i need to reconfigure it anyhows have i not enabled soemthing i take it?
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11:18.04jm_I have no idea, it's your system
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11:20.06hyperstreamhmm who should i let start x server Root only, console users, anyboidy
11:20.12hyperstreami  thinking console
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11:20.15SimonRavenconsole users
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11:20.23SimonRavenhttp://www.dataretentionisnosolution.com/
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11:21.48hyperstreamX: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.  xinit:  Server error. Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console <-- still the same deal, im already logged into gnome atm. but xgame opens a new session
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11:22.02hyperstreamor do i need to manualy start a new session
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11:22.53Guerinhyperstream: run it as the user whose gnome session it is
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11:23.27hyperstreamahh i am
11:23.35hyperstreamhyperstream. its what im logged on as
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11:23.58bob2gnome will whinge about running twice as one user
11:23.59bob2also
11:24.08bob2sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-common
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11:24.15hyperstreambut xgame starts a new session. but for some reason my account hyperstream isnt aloud to run 2 gnome sessions
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11:24.49hyperstreamPackage `xorg-common' is not installed and no info is available.
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11:24.55hyperstreamive done xserver-common
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11:25.40jm_are you starting X from X?
11:25.43jm_that won't work ...
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11:25.57hyperstreamhmm its the onlyway to run xgame thru x
11:25.59hyperstreamgui
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11:26.16hyperstreamif i hit alt + ctrl + f8 shouldnt it bring me to a new session
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11:26.40jm_again, I have no idea, I don't know how your system is configured
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11:26.56clown_anyone can point me to docs explaining hotplug environment vars (for /etc/dev.d scripting)?
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11:27.34hyperstreamwell how would i make ctrl + alt + f8 run another session. or i need to drop to console and login as a different user and start x which will enable it on F8 ?
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11:28.18bob2clown_: that's udev, not hotplug
11:28.20bob2(I think)
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11:28.57clown_bob2: yep, but udev docs refer to seeking hotplug docs
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11:29.04otaku42bob2: may i bug you with an additional question (given that you remember my "case" i described before, a 3.0 box i wanted to avoid upgrading, but accidentially did a partial upgrade to 3.1)?
11:29.15bob2clown_: oh, heh
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11:29.25bob2otaku42: yeah, but I haven't eaten in 9 hours
11:29.33bob2so I may explode or implode without warning
11:29.41otaku42bob2: heh, no problem :)
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11:30.06bob2I wish my pizza would hurry up
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11:30.18hyperstreamthey invented mircowaves.
11:30.25Overandhm
11:30.29Guerinwtf
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11:30.34Guerinpizza in a microwave?
11:30.36Overandjust a little OT
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11:30.38Guerinmight as well boil it
11:30.42OverandGuerin: ahaha
11:30.44Overandboiled pizza
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11:30.47Overandyeah throw it ina  paper bag
11:30.48hyperstreamahh no
11:30.49Overanddrop it in the pot
11:30.51Overandboil it for a while
11:30.56otaku42bob2: the release notes about upgrading mention one should choose aptitude rather than apt-get for upgrading. now i can't install anything due to my messed installation. is using apt-get ok, or should i try to get that problem handled somehow and use aptitude?
11:30.57seeeSi got punted to overflow
11:31.04hyperstreamyou get mirco bags and it makes it crisp
11:31.04Overandwhen it comes out, flatten it with a rolling pin
11:31.06jm_hyperstream: you need to login again on console and start it
11:31.07hyperstreamheh.
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11:31.10seeeSi use apt-get all the time
11:31.15bob2hyperstream: it hasn't been cooked once yet
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11:31.18bob2so I can't microwave it
11:31.22hyperstreamjm_, add yep so this program is pointless
11:31.30bob2otaku42: apt-get dist-upagrde should work ok
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11:31.35hyperstreambob2,  ahh home made from the base
11:31.37Overandbob2: you COULD cook it in the microwave...
11:31.41otaku42bob2: thanks
11:31.41bob2otaku42: te advantage of aptitude is you can directly unfuck it if it gets confused
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11:31.53bob2Overand: tell dominos
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11:31.59bob2I have no pizza making ingredients here anyway
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11:32.17hyperstreamheh brought pizza
11:32.19hyperstreamyuck.
11:32.23hyperstreammight as well go buy pies
11:32.26hyperstream*shivers*
11:32.28otaku42bob2: so i'll use apt-get for the upgrade and continue with aptitude after that. hold thumbs, please :)
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11:33.00seeeSyou could always do what some long-time debian ircer did and put the pizza on the BBQ
11:33.07bob2hyperstream: as above, I'll eating anything now
11:33.10hyperstreamon foxtel had a documentry on american pizza's, stuff that goes on during the creation process
11:33.23hyperstreamtotaly discusting
11:33.36Guerinhyperstream: no shit. All kitchens are the same.
11:33.46hyperstreamGuerin, wrong
11:33.47hyperstreammine isnt.
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11:34.50niceguyI need help!
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11:34.57seeeSwe all need help
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11:35.04niceguyyeah well...
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11:35.15niceguywho is in charge here??
11:35.18hyperstreamand stuff about modern american houses dont have kitchens they eat take outs / tv dinner meals etc
11:35.29hyperstreamand thats why there is alot of obeasty thingy how ever you spell it
11:35.35seeeSin charge of what? the channel?
11:35.35hyperstreamits wierd
11:35.38tarzeau!faq niceguy
11:35.39dpkgniceguy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/
11:35.43hyperstreami wonder if canada is like that
11:35.50niceguy!faq
11:35.50dpkgThe #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/
11:35.52niceguy??
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11:35.59niceguyI read that
11:36.13niceguyI couldn't get the answer
11:36.18tarzeauniceguy: ask the question then
11:36.26seeeSisnt it /msg dpkg ops
11:36.27niceguyOkay..
11:36.33bob2niceguy: ?
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11:36.46niceguyI am using Radeon Mobility 9600
11:36.46Overandniceguy: what do you need to know>
11:36.56Overandask your question
11:36.56niceguyBut I can't get the driver for this
11:36.58tarzeauniceguy: i386?
11:37.01niceguyyes
11:37.04tarzeauniceguy: try "vesa"
11:37.08niceguyvesa??
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11:37.21clown_anyone can point me to docs explaining hotplug environment vars (for /etc/hotplug.d scripting)?
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11:37.48niceguyVesa?? what is tat??
11:37.53niceguyI am kinda new here..
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11:38.06seeeSclown: did you try the sourceforge site?
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11:38.35niceguysourceforge... well, I did find a site telling me how to build the driver...
11:38.38valdyn!vesa
11:38.38dpkgVESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff.
11:38.46valdynniceguy: the proper way is in the faq
11:38.46tarzeauniceguy: in /etc/XF86Config-4 use driver "vesa"
11:38.59niceguyoookay..
11:39.06niceguyI will need time to process that...
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11:39.41Guerinhyperstream: you're a chef?
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11:41.28niceguyAnyway thanxs for the answers... Just thought I tell you while I figure out what I am hearing..
11:41.34niceguy^-^
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11:41.52bombwhat is there to figure out?
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11:42.01bombreconfigure X and select 'vesa'
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11:43.01niceguyWell I found VESA.. site but I dont know what the /etc/XF86Config-4 is..
11:43.09hyperstreamGuerin, i started an apprentiship
11:43.13niceguyoh
11:43.21hyperstreamthen went into something a bit more hands on
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11:43.32hyperstreamworking with hydraulics and auto electrional stuff
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11:43.41niceguyyou mean I can select vesa after I install debian as the driver??
11:43.47Guerinhyperstream: riiight.
11:43.54hyperstreamwhich ended me up in a varity of work, welding , painting,
11:43.57hyperstreamand so forth
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11:44.05bombniceguy: it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and don't worry about it. reconfigure X.
11:44.06hyperstreamcrimping huge hoses
11:44.14StFSis there some "unstability" with the packages in testing that is known at the moment? I've got libfam-dev and x-window-system-core marked as upgradable but I'm unable to upgrade them for some reason
11:44.15hyperstreamfor 80 ton tippers etc
11:44.24niceguyhow do I reconfigure X??
11:44.28hyperstreamworking on the laythe
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11:44.32niceguyI am totally new to debian..
11:44.40hyperstreamcreating any thing i want outta steal etc.
11:44.46hyperstreamreally good stuff to learn
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11:44.49bombniceguy: as root: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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11:45.05niceguytype that in the window??
11:45.10bombjesus
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11:45.19seeeSstfs: whatis the error message
11:45.20niceguysorry...¤Ñ¤Ñ;
11:45.23yacyacxfce or xfce2    ... which one is the right to download
11:45.25MortiJesus++
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11:45.40yacyacgnome lags alot :P
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11:46.17niceguyI gotta leave...
11:46.19hyperstreamniceguy,  ahh you type that in a terminal
11:46.21hyperstreamk
11:46.22hyperstreambye
11:46.22muntyanhi guys. does someone know some wiki package, easy in installation?
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11:46.28hyperstreamPARTY on :)
11:46.33muntyani need something simplish, to keep some notes where
11:47.08seeeSi used the mediawiki one, but it was not a package
11:47.12muntyanor maybe not simplish, but it should be easy to install :)
11:47.12bob2tomboy is nice. but not a wiki.
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11:47.25muntyantomboy is mono, right?
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11:47.32muntyanso it's not easy to install :)
11:47.36yacyacwhats the command to get xfce
11:47.43yacyacapt-get install xfce2 ?
11:47.48yacyacor is it xfce4
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11:48.06StFSseeeS: well.. for x-window-system-core there really is none (I'm doing this with aptitude). When I view the package dependency, libglu1-xorg is marked red as unavailable
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11:49.15seeeShmm, mine seems ok
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11:49.17StFSseeeS: for libfam0 it's "libfam0 conflicts with libfam0c102" and "libfam0c102 conflicts with libfamö"
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11:49.39seeeSThe following extra packages will be installed:
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11:50.24StFSwell.. I seem to have been able to fix the libfam0 issue by
11:50.25yacyacguys dropline is better or xfce4
11:50.49seeeSi have only libfam0c102
11:51.36StFSI managed to resolve that by removing that package (had to do it manually though) and installing libfam0 (which "supplies" libfam0c102
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11:52.33seeeSthis could get interesitng...
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11:53.06yacyacanyone around
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11:53.25incorrectis it possible to set the default lang for a user to be different from the systems default?
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11:53.49jm_you can always change it in user's startup files
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11:54.23incorrectexport LANG=UTF8 ?
11:54.35FBIAll your evidence are belong to us.
11:54.37valdynyacyac: apt-get install tomboy <- that is hard?
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11:55.15solemn-lanmy mouse isnt being detected
11:55.18FBIbomb: right-io
11:55.24yacyacvaldyn, what is tomboy ?
11:55.24solemn-lananyone got any ideas what might be up?
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11:55.35bombsolemn-lan: mdetect installed?
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11:55.40valdynyacyac: ops, wrong target
11:55.45solemn-landunno
11:55.46yacyac??/
11:55.48solemn-lancheck..
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11:56.18valdynyacyac: was meant for muntyan.
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11:56.27yacyacok
11:56.32yacyacbtw what is tomboy
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11:56.35solemn-lanbomb: installed mdetect, still not finding mouse
11:56.48valdynyacyac: apt-cache show tomboy
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11:56.50bombsolemn-lan: elaborate, does X start?
11:56.55solemn-lanno
11:57.04bombsolemn-lan: xfree86 or xorg
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11:57.10solemn-lanx says cant start without mouse
11:57.12solemn-lanxfree
11:57.26bombsolemn-lan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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11:57.34yacyacunable to location package tomboy
11:57.34bombsolemn-lan: select right mouse protocol
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11:57.42solemn-lani did
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11:58.18solemn-lanand cat /dev/input/mice or /dev/input/mouse0 returns "no such device"
11:58.31valdyn!info tomboy sarge
11:58.50valdynyacyac: doesnt seem to be in sarge
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11:58.51clem_yeatsis there a site or a document which announces when a certain package will go into unstable and then testing ? For instance, Gnome 2.12 ?
11:58.58StFSseeeS:
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11:59.09valdynclem_yeats: no
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11:59.20yacyacok
11:59.23clem_yeatsvaldyn : do you basically know it when it happens ?
11:59.32solemn-lanbomb:u still here?
11:59.35valdynclem_yeats: devs can announced for their package
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11:59.39valdynclem_yeats: devs can announce for their package
11:59.40yacyacvaldyn, gnome need alot of memory to run ?
11:59.47yacyacit works very slow on my mahcin
11:59.47valdynyacyac: yes
11:59.56clem_yeatsvaldyn : do they though ?
11:59.57yacyaci got 256mb ram
12:00.07bombsolemn-lan: what kind of mouse, and what /dev/ are you selecting when reconfiguring X?
12:00.17clem_yeatsvaldyn : on the debian mailing list ?
12:00.42solemn-lanbomb: average PS/2 wheel mouse, /dev/input/mice
12:00.49valdynclem_yeats: that is up the whoever maintains a package. i cant tell you for any package specifically ( entering unstable that is )
12:00.58clem_yeatsok
12:01.07bombsolemn-lan: try ImPS/2 and /dev/input/mice
12:01.10solemn-lanbut /dev/input/mice and /dev/input/mouse0 return no such device
12:01.18valdynclem_yeats: testing is like, when no serious bug is found within 10 days in unstable or somesuch
12:01.22clem_yeatsvaldyn : and when it happened.. how do you check ?
12:01.22Zedmanhello. I am using gnome on debian sarge. alsa runs fine, but when I set up the gnome-soundserver at startup I can't play music with xmms and so on with alsa after the system is started. The gnome sounds work, but "alsa default is used by another application". What should I do to hear the gnome sounds and to play music?
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12:01.31dracsolemn-lan: modprobe mousedev && modprobe psmouse
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12:01.41valdyn!why is mozilla-firefox not in testing
12:01.42dpkgmozilla-firefox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mozilla-firefox
12:01.42dracsolemn-lan: load the modules..
12:01.48dracsolemn-lan: and put them in /etc/modules too
12:01.58valdynclem_yeats: it actually is, but you can check testing like that
12:01.58solemn-lanmodprobe: cant locate module psmouse
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12:02.22dracsolemn-lan: what kernel is that?
12:02.28solemn-lan2.4
12:02.31bombwhoa
12:02.36solemn-lanthe default with sarge
12:02.41valdynclem_yeats: for new packages entering unstable there is the mailing list debian-devel-changes
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12:02.58solemn-lani aint got round to building 2.6.13 yet
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12:03.14ircdevilit would be great is inkscape could export xfig format
12:03.14clem_yeatsvaldyn : when I look at the version of gnome on my system it says... 64..
12:03.16bombsolemn-lan: you can install sarge with the 2.6.8 kernel
12:03.16hyperstreamhow can i setup multiple x sessoions. im logged into one atm. on account: hyper      ... then i hit alt + ctrl + f1 to go to console. i login at account: gamer then try startx and it says it fails due to one already running on display 0, how can i make it start so i can use it thru ctrl +alt + f8 where the hyper x session is running on alt+ctrl+f7
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12:03.40solemn-lanbomb: ill install 2.6.8 brb gonna need to reboot
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12:04.10niceguyHello, I am back...
12:04.14clem_yeatsvaldyn : using APT, how can I get the version I have installed and the available one ?
12:04.45soldiarhttp://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=48447 <- i've got a problem with the wine/xwine/cedega technology, can sb. look at this and help me?
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12:04.49valdynclem_yeats: apt-get update ; apt-cache show gnome ( available ); dpkg -l gnome ( installed )
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12:05.11streunergnome is a meta-package...
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12:05.22incorrectwhich package controls the system charset?
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12:05.29clem_yeatswhich package shall I look at for gnome.. ?
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12:05.47MortalmanAnyoone know if there are key-combos to change workspaces in fluxbox ?
12:05.51soldiars happy to coencide with - but if esd, whigh is highly unstable, goes funny, it'll cause problems
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12:05.58clem_yeatsok
12:06.02clem_yeatsthanks guys.
12:06.04soldiarhttp://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=48447 <- i've got a problem with the wine/xwine/cedega technology, can sb. look at this and help me?
12:06.19bombMortalman: i use Alt + funtion keys
12:06.28bombF1 being desktop 1, etc.
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12:06.40Mortalmanbomb: I'll be damned. thanks.
12:06.47valdynsoldiar: to become root, use 'sux' or 'sudo', not 'su'
12:07.10clem_yeatsoh... ok.. gnome-about is still 2.8 in testing, while gnome-session is 2.10..
12:07.26valdynsoldiar: why the hell would you run putty.exe on wine?
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12:07.38soldiarhyperstream: i did, thanks ^^
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12:07.52soldiarvaldyn: it's only a test file, I wanna install a game. ^^
12:07.59solemn-lanbomb: 2.6.8 fixed it :)
12:08.05soldiarvaldyn: why not su?
12:08.08streunervaldyn: masochistic?
12:08.16clem_yeatslast question :) Even though my priorities point to testing I have the unstable repositories in my sources.list... can I check the version available in unstable using apt-cache show ?
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12:08.40valdynclem_yeats: it will show both
12:08.46clem_yeatswill it ?
12:08.47clem_yeatsok
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12:09.29valdynincorrect: apt-cache show language-env
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12:10.08clem_yeatsvaldyn : it doesn't..
12:10.21valdynclem_yeats: maybe they're identical?
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12:10.36clem_yeatsvaldyn : probably..
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12:10.56azazeli have problems running debootstrap to bootstrap a sid in chroot on an amd64 box
12:11.08clem_yeatsvaldyn : I read the debian reference over the week end.. and it was talking about something like show-versions, I can't remember where I found that though.
12:11.08The_ritzdoes "testing" get security updates now?
12:11.20The_ritzthere is a news that it does
12:11.30valdyn!secure testing
12:11.34azazeldebootstrap says I: Checking component main on http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64...
12:11.34azazeleggy: Couldn't find these debs: 35043526
12:11.37valdyn!securing testing
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12:11.51sep!testing security
12:11.51dpkgDon't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;)
12:11.55The_ritzbut on the site i still see the line saying ... "testing" distribution are not managed by the security team
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12:12.03azazelany hint?
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12:12.15The_ritzIn that case why is http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ not updated
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12:12.35clem_yeatsThe_ritz : I added the security to my sources and update works.. I didn't get any packages though.
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12:12.39valdynThe_ritz: that's correct, the secure testing project is a seperate project
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12:12.54gudihi
12:13.07The_ritzvaldyn: oh so its not "official" is it?
12:13.19gudiim trying to use tc and htb but the rates are not what im suspected.. anyone can help ?
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12:14.36SimonRavengudi: think bytes
12:15.00gudiSimonRaven, allready do that ;-) yes i read the FAQ ;-)
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12:15.09SimonRaveno :
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12:15.16SimonRavener ok :) even
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12:18.35Bombowhat do i have to do to make the alsa drivers load when i start xmms or any other sound application?
12:18.48Bombo(i'm using sarge)
12:18.56streunerBombo: just run alsaconfig
12:18.59Bombocurrently xmms just segfaults
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12:19.01SimonRavenjust load them from /etc/modules
12:19.02otaku42question: while performing a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge, a libc upgrade is performed. a message mentions that sshd will be restarted in order to cope with NSS changes. will this stop my current ssh session to the server (where i run the upgrade in)?
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12:19.17Bombostreuner: hmkay
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12:19.24streunerBombo: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
12:19.27SimonRavenotaku42: no
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12:19.36otaku42SimonRaven: thx
12:19.37Bombobash: alsaconfig: command not found
12:19.48SimonRavenotaku42: ssh is designed so that any open live sessions aren't cut off
12:19.48Bomboii  libc6          2.3.2.ds1-22   GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
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12:20.06streuneryeah
12:20.09Bombo$ apt-get install alsaconfig
12:20.13BomboE: Couldn't find package alsaconfig
12:20.16streuner!find alsaconf
12:20.19clem_yeatsI have stable,testing and unstable in sources.list and higher->lower priorities go from Testing to Unstable to Stable in preferences... in Synaptic, Latest Version means what exactly ? Is it the latest available in testing ? the one I would get if I upraged or the latest in all my repos including unstable ??
12:20.19Bombooh
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12:20.34dpkgDebian Search of 'alsaconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf, /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo) in sound/alsa-utils.
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12:21.21MortalmanI'm running vnc4server on one of my boxes.   Is there a VNC Xserver I can run on this box to view it, or would I have to start X then run a client in full screen ?
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12:21.46kostasKI'm trying to install subversion, but having problems
12:21.50valdynclem_yeats: its really really stupid to mix stable / testing / unstable like that
12:21.55clem_yeatsMortalman : there's a vnc server included in gnome in debian testing
12:21.59streunerSimonRaven: gallery.weda.mine.nu
12:22.02clem_yeatsvaldyn : why ?
12:22.29Mortalmanclem_yeats: In gnome?  What does that have to do with my question ?
12:22.29clem_yeatsvaldyn : I have the priorities set so it's just in case something is not found in testing.
12:22.33BomboNo legacy cards found
12:22.34Bombohmm
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12:22.39SimonRavenclem_yeats: you can easily break things
12:22.55clem_yeatsSimonRaven : why would it break ?
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12:23.06sceigtrying to compile a programme, i've got this error : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpq
12:23.10kostasKunmet dependencies. What does   libsvn0: Depends: libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8) but 1.95.6-4 is to be installed   mean?
12:23.16sceigsomeone as an idea ?
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12:23.50clem_yeatsI followed the apt-howto and the debian reference manual and they explicitly recommend adding testing to the stable repos in sources.list and set preferences.
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12:24.00ZombkostasK: that means sidisnotforyoudude
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12:24.39kostasKZomb, come again !?
12:24.41streunerkostasK: /msg dpkg sid faq
12:24.55sherif_i have a fast question ... what is the name of the package thats makes the dpkg asks me alot of questions ( level high ) or low level when i do dpkg-reconfiger pacakge ? i mean like adding mirros i want debian ask me alot of questions .. any help ?
12:25.03SimonRavenstreuner: brings back memories of when i went to europe in high school :)
12:25.14streunerSimonRaven: heh
12:25.15FallOnMesherif_: debconf?
12:25.19SimonRavenstreuner: our tour bus was that kind of bus. was really neat
12:25.31streunerSimonRaven: where? germany?
12:25.35clem_yeatssherif_ : apt-setup ? is it ?
12:25.39sherif_got it ...
12:25.41valdynclem_yeats: and you conclude from that that mixing unstable in is a good idea?
12:25.50sherif_dpkg-reconfiger debconf
12:25.52sherif_thx guys
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12:26.03clem_yeatsvaldyn : no, I'm only trying to learn at the moment.
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12:26.10SimonRavenstreuner: germany, netherlands, belgium, and passed through luxembourg
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12:26.23clem_yeatsvaldyn : actually, it's my mistake my unstable is commented out in sources.list
12:26.34FallOnMeho-hum, when I try joining a channel with +r the server sends me to #please_register, but when Itry to reregister, I get "nickname already registered"
12:26.52kostasKcan you recommend a simple svn client, I don't need to run a server
12:26.59valdynclem_yeats: testing there isnt such a good idea either, unless you're fine with running testing.
12:27.01SimonRavenFallOnMe: you need to identify then
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12:27.40FallOnMeSimonRaven: oh, thanks. I mixed up those two.
12:27.40clem_yeatsvaldyn : basically everytime I want to know what version of something is in testing and unstable I have to go to distrowatch, I would like to find out how to see these versions, how to browse the available packages from unstable and testing using apt.
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12:27.54EdLinclem_yeats: packages.debian.org
12:27.58clem_yeatsvaldyn : I am very comfortable running testing.
12:28.02clem_yeatsthanks.
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12:29.04EdLinclem_yeats: btw, running etch or sid just because you want newer packages than stable is not a good reason for running it.
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12:29.26SimonRavenstreuner: that series of pics looks familiar
12:29.45clem_yeatsEdlin : thanks this is perfect ! :)
12:30.49clem_yeatsI run testing because I like the idea of it, rather than hop from one release to another.
12:30.52EdLinclem_yeats: and mixing them is even worse.
12:31.09clem_yeatsI haven't mixed yet.
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12:31.23clem_yeatsI don't intend to.
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12:31.40EdLinclem_yeats: really? That isn't what you've said in the channel earlier. Shoud I quote?
12:31.54EdLinshould*
12:31.58clem_yeatsI never said I wanted to install any unstable stuff.
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12:32.09Bomboi have got a "sound blaster awe"
12:32.09clem_yeatsI said I wanted to know what versions were available in there.
12:32.15SimonRaven<clem_yeats> I have stable,testing and unstable in sources.list and higher->lower priorities go from Testing to Unstable to Stable in preferences... in Synaptic, Latest Version means what exactly ? Is it the latest available in testing ? the one I would get if I upraged or the latest in all my repos including unstable ??
12:32.22Bomboalsaconf seems not to be able to detect it
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12:32.24clem_yeatsyes.
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12:32.31SimonRaven</unquote>
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12:32.44clem_yeatsI am interesting in knowing what goes in unstable, not installing it.
12:32.45EdLin< clem_yeats> I have stable,testing and unstable in sources.list and
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12:33.04EdLinyou're mixing repositories.
12:33.04Bombo"No supported PnP or PCI card found."
12:33.10clem_yeatslook.. I suppose I know what I want to do.
12:33.13Bombo"Would you like to probe legacy ISA sound cards/chips?" YES
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12:33.30clem_yeatsI am running testing, and I do not intend to run unstable.
12:33.30SimonRavenclem_yeats: right now what you get in unstable is exactly that, instability. not for the faint of heart. satisfied? =)
12:33.30Bomboi can't find "sbawe" in the list
12:33.36EdLinclem_yeats: then don't be surprised if people don't want to help you shoot yourself in the foot.
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12:33.57EdLinclem_yeats: then why are you putting unstable in your sources.list?
12:33.58clem_yeatsgrr... in English ? I DO NOT INTEND TO RUN UNSTABLE !!
12:34.01clem_yeatsis it clear ?
12:34.03valdynclem_yeats: just look at the ML archives then, debian-devel-changes lists changes to sid and even to experimental
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12:34.10SimonRavenno, repeat a few more times ;p
12:34.12clem_yeatsit is commented out !
12:34.17clem_yeatslol
12:34.38SimonRavenuse figlet next time, you'll get the REALLY big text
12:34.39EdLin!permasunday
12:34.40dpkgAll days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html
12:34.43FallOnMeapt-cache policy is far easier to type than searching the archives of d-d-changes.
12:34.50clem_yeatswell.. Edlin's link to packages.debian.org is the perfect answer to my question and I already said thanks.
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12:35.21valdynFallOnMe: apt-cache policy doesnt work on sid when hes running etch
12:35.35clem_yeatsGod.. you're a bunch of stable fanatics :))
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12:36.11FallOnMevaldyn: he can run etch and have sid sources listed.
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12:36.44clem_yeatsyes, I use priorities. But just to make it sure, I have commented them out.
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12:36.58SimonRavenetch and sid are less likely to break, but they will, unless he pins to testing. even then i wouldn't do that right now, it's too icky in sid
12:37.00nomedhi all
12:37.17clem_yeatshi nomed
12:37.17SimonRavenand i run sid, so i know ;)
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12:38.45nomedthe new pkges installed are listed in status file ... but do they follow any criterion for the position in that file?
12:39.28MortalmanIs there an equivelant to "Fast User Switching(XP)"   for X?
12:39.30SimonRaveni thought alphabetical...
12:39.42clem_yeatsMortalman : yes, in gnome I've seen that alright.
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12:40.00clem_yeatsMortalman : as well as the VNC server.. :)
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12:40.21GuerinMortalman: startx :1
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12:40.39SimonRavenstartx -- :1
12:40.46Guerinit's unnecessary; any unix can have multiple X servers
12:40.52GuerinSimonRaven: right you are
12:41.01SimonRavenas long as you have vts free ;)
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12:41.09Mortalmanclem_yeats: gnome has nothing to do with either of my questions. The first question I said I already had a VNC server.  This question is about multiple X session. Both, clearly, have nothing to do with gnome.
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12:41.39Guerinoh, VNC
12:41.40clem_yeatsMortalman : well... well..
12:41.40Guerinno idea
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12:41.54MortalmanGuerin: Any way to do that with xdm ?
12:41.56Zero_DoggI'm currently installing debian on a laptop, however when booting after instaling the basesystem the kernel freezes on ohci1394_0, any way I can force it to not load that?
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12:42.14valdynMortalman: gdm provides a menu entry for doing just that, feel free to start X servers from shells
12:42.19clem_yeatsMortalman : there is a fast user switching feature in gnome.
12:42.29GuerinMortalman: dunno.
12:42.29nomedZeit|awy, hotplug blacklist ...
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12:43.02clem_yeatsMortalman: of course it's only a graphical stuff that exploits X capibilities.
12:43.03junkey我的N600C没有声音怎么办？
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12:43.09Zero_Doggnomed: was that to me? If so, how can I add it to the hotplug blacklist when I can't get the system to boot?
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12:43.41nomedmaybe a livecd ?
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12:43.58Zero_Doggcan try yeah, where is the hotplug blacklist?
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12:44.46toresbeZero_Dogg :)
12:44.52Zero_Doggtoresbe: :o
12:44.59nomedZeit|awy, i suppose it's not in modules ..
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12:46.03SimonRavenjunkey: er, english please
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12:47.35Guerinif i could read chinese, junkey's line would have made good sense to me
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12:47.42SimonRavenindeed
12:47.56SimonRavenhehe
12:48.07clem_yeatsutf-8 is unicode is it ?
12:48.12Guerinyes
12:48.20clem_yeatsyes it's pretty cool.
12:48.26toresbeYoe! Hoe gaat het? :)
12:48.29Yoegoed :-)
12:48.54SimonRavenstarts with an s c a ... ? ;p
12:49.08GuerinSimonRaven: got it in one.
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12:49.26toresbeYoe: Ik heb nog een oude computer gekrijgt :)
12:49.30YoeGuerin: not-quite-the-same letters that look the same to the naked eye? Yeah, gotta love them
12:49.39Yoetoresbe: gekregen, bedoel je? Leuk. Welke?
12:49.39GuerinYoe: all that and more.
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12:50.06toresbeja, gekregen... Dank u. Het is een Norsk Data ND-120/CX
12:50.09YoeGuerin: more? Like what, for example?
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12:50.17SimonRavenhint: this is why you type this by hand, and not cut&paste...
12:50.21clem_yeatsThe full story : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode
12:50.40GuerinYoe: heh, I was going to pull out the wiki page too
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12:51.09clem_yeatslol
12:51.11MortalmanSimonRaven:  Should I type that URL instead of copy&paste?
12:51.15clem_yeatsit's a nice website alright.
12:51.15Mortalmanhehe
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12:54.01StarOfDeathhi
12:54.14Yoetoresbe: your machine has a teletype? whoa
12:54.16SimonRaven*ZZZZzzzz*
12:54.34toresbeYoe: Not yet, but it will
12:54.38Yoe*g*
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12:56.05M23should apt.conf be in /etc or /etc/apt
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12:57.17clem_yeatsin /etc/apt I think
12:57.22Guerinright
12:57.33clem_yeatsyes
12:57.34Guerinman apt would tell you
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12:57.50lesshastehow do you list all installed packages by size?
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12:57.59M23it doesn't
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12:58.05lesshastethe equivalent of "rpm -qa --queryformat '%{name}-%{version}-%{release} %{size}\n' | sort -nr +1"
12:58.08clem_yeatsM23 : it's in /etc/apt
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12:58.18M23ok thanks
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12:59.04clem_yeatsHave you guys tried Gnome Mines ? It is highly addictive !
12:59.48Yoeclem_yeats: I've done minesweeper on Windows enough, thanks
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13:00.05jm_lesshaste: man dpkg-awk
13:00.06clem_yeatsI suppose it must addictive as well.
13:00.13YoeHmm.
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13:00.21YoeI've got a sudo configuration like this:
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13:00.28Yoebuildd ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
13:00.29jm_lesshaste: then there's grep-dctrl too
13:00.34Yoe%buildadm ALL=(ALL) ALL
13:00.53Yoewhere buildd's primary GID is buildadm
13:01.04Yoeyet buildd still needs to enter a password. How can I prevent that?
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13:01.21lesshastejm_: thx
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13:02.08The_ritzwith the security for testing nowin place....how safe is it to move my desktop for sarge to etch?
13:02.28toresbeYoe: Yeah, MS entertainment pack, sol, and minesweeper are the only things MS ever got right ;)
13:02.39The_ritzi mean will the upgrade break things
13:02.51Mortalmanhehe
13:02.56clem_yeatsThe_ritz : safe enough, it depends on how stable you want non-stable distributions to be :)
13:02.59Yoetoresbe: hey, there's a reason why MCSE has a different expansion of what most people think...
13:03.14The_ritzand how much is etch reliable as desktop...i dont want to break things frequently
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13:03.41The_ritzwill it smoothly upgrade my XFree86? is etch running X.org now?
13:03.42toresbeYoe: hehe, yeah
13:03.46clem_yeatsThe_ritz : I've upgrade to testing last week, and everything went fine.
13:04.11clem_yeatsThe_ritz : it asks you if you want to go on using XFree or start using Xorg.
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13:04.36The_ritzclem_yeats: what should i choose...X.org or Xfree86...whats the safe bet....
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13:04.52clem_yeatsThe_ritz : I personnaly chose xorg.
13:04.58clem_yeatsThe_ritz : It's your choice.
13:05.09The_ritzwow....great to hear everything went smooth
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13:05.25clem_yeatsI was very impressed myself after the upgrade.
13:05.33The_ritzclem: mine is Dell machine with intel 865 patch from some site
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13:05.51The_ritzi hope Xorg works well on this
13:06.03The_ritzanyways....whats the Gnome version in testing now
13:06.08clem_yeatsThe_ritz : 2.10
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13:06.15The_ritzaha cool
13:06.15[ac3]Hi
13:06.21streuner!info gnome-session testing
13:06.23dpkggnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-5 (etch), Packaged size: 387 kB, Installed size: 1398 kB
13:06.50The_ritzso i just change "sarge" to "etch" in sources.list ...right....or is it "testing"
13:07.02clem_yeatsthe_ritz : well...
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13:07.10[ac3]I thing i found a bug in postfix-ldap (debian sarge) It is reproducable, and does not occur in postfix-ldap/testing. What should i do to get it fixed?
13:07.10dracThe_ritz: right
13:07.10OleMoudiIt's xorg supposed to be really in testing? apt-get it's still blocking the update of x-window-system-core due to lack of some packages
13:07.11streunersarge=stable, etch=testing
13:07.23clem_yeatsthe_ritz : copy the line for stable... so you have both stable and testing.
13:07.38streuner!info xserver-xorg testing
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13:07.41clem_yeatsThe_ritz : the best it to read the Debian reference manual.
13:07.45dpkgxserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 5563 kB, Installed size: 15696 kB
13:07.46The_ritzclem: how can i have both ? :)
13:07.55clem_yeatsThe_ritz : but I can go through it with you in private if you want.
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13:07.59streunerOleMoudi: so yes
13:08.05paulswmOleMoudi: xorg is in testing and working fine for me, but I always do dist-upgrades
13:08.20OleMoudiI tried dist-upgrade
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13:08.30OleMoudibut its still blocked
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13:08.40yangxhow do i null a user password?
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13:08.52chealOleMoudi: just apt-get install x-window-system-core
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13:09.15yangxthe user nobody can get into my box without pass
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13:10.24regularhi all
13:10.51dracyangx: usermod -L nobody
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13:11.20otaku42question: i'm currently performing a dist-upgrade. flex is going to be upgraded, but during preconfiguration a warning is printed (about incompatibilities to old versions) that makes me select "no" to the upgrade. as a result the dist-upgrade is aborted.
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13:11.50otaku42is there a way to continue dist-upgrade without the need to upgrade flex to a not-any-longer downward compatible version?
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13:12.09dracWhy do you think you need old flex?
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13:12.36otaku42drac: i'm not sure if i need it, so i thought it would be better to be safe.
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13:13.11regulari need know how to update some kernel 2.6 modules over debian
13:13.15dracOverreacting ;) ie works for most people
13:13.21Guerinregular: no, you don't
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13:13.48Voidspacewhat's the bash command to copy a directory tree ?
13:13.50Guerinregular: you don't update just some modules; you update the whole lot or it almost certainly breaks horribly
13:13.55GuerinVoidspace: man cp
13:13.56yangxdrac: doesnt seem to work
13:13.57pznHi. which package can I use to view the file /usr/share/doc/request-tracker3.4/rt3-schema-relationships.dot? it is a text file, but seems to be readable by some utility that can make graphics of it...
13:13.58regularguerin:any clues for a "stright-to-the-goal" recipe?
13:14.09otaku42drac: ok. suggestion on how to recover in case it won't work for me? any replacement package i could install?
13:14.12Guerinregular: be specific about what you're trying to do
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13:14.15VoidspaceGuerin: thanks - I thought that was just for files
13:14.30GuerinVoidspace: files, dirs, they're all the same
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13:14.43VoidspaceGuerin: thanks :-)
13:14.45otaku42drac: ah, sorry, should have read more carefully. a "flex-old" package is mentioned.
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13:15.00otaku42drac: so i guess i just perform the upgrade and see what fails afterwards :)
13:15.03otaku42drac: thx
13:15.21abrotmanpzn: dotty i think it's called
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13:16.12abrotmanpzn: nope .. i guess just ghostscript ?
13:16.12regularguerin: i am looking for a set of coomands in order to make an "overall" reconfiguration... some hardware has changed... i guess i could reconfigure some parameters on modules but dunno where to start
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13:16.39Guerinregular: use a debian kernel - it should sort itself out on reboot
13:16.41yangxdrac: i ll just put /bin/false to nobodys shell
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13:17.12azoreshow can i scroll back on debian console?
13:17.14MortalmanAnyone know what happened to the program "ditty" that played notes out on your PC speaker?   I can't seem to find the package.
13:17.46Guerinazores: shift+pgup
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13:18.09pznabrotman, no. it is not readable by gs/gv... :-( you can see the document at http://svn.bestpractical.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi/bps/checkout/rt/branches/3.2-RELEASE/docs/rt3-schema-relationships.dot?rev=1225
13:18.09Guerin!find bin/ditty
13:18.13regularim using 2.4 and 2.6 debian kernel choices on boot... 2.4 does not enable the hardware abstraction layer as 2.6 does... thing is i dunno how to "add" a new kernel to my boot configuration
13:18.20dpkgDebian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/ditty' returned no results.
13:18.22regularnew and clean i mean
13:18.23azoresGuerin: thanks
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13:18.34abrotmanpzn: but the extension is .dot ?
13:18.34jm_Morti: yes, some people do
13:18.36Guerinregular: be specific.
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13:18.41jm_Mortalman: yes, some people do
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13:18.45abrotmanpzn: obviously not a word template ... :)
13:18.53yangxdrac: seems that all accounts are opened on my box....everyone can login without password
13:19.03regularill try... ive been out of business for a looooooooong while
13:19.08Mortalmanjm_: do what ?
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13:19.22yangxdrac: maybe its a problem, becouse i edited /etc/shadow manually
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13:19.26azoresGuerin: doesn't work though. forgot to say that it's a vm debian and i'm remotely connected to the host of the vm.
13:19.42jm_Mortalman: do know
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13:19.59Guerinazores: no idea then.
13:20.09Mortalmanjm_: Ahh, but your not one of them, correct?
13:20.10dracyangx: I have no idea what you have done, usermod -L locks user password normally so one can't enter at all anymore.
13:20.11azoresGuerin: np :)
13:20.14jm_Mortalman: actually I am
13:20.29Mortalmanjm_: Ok, what happened to it? lol
13:20.39jm_Mortalman: see corresponding BTS entry for details
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13:20.58Mortalmanjm_: What's a BTS ?
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13:21.01SeboI've installed KDE (# apt-get install kde ) but It doesn't lounch :( << Should I make any additional configuration or something ??
13:21.03jm_Mortalman: /msg dpkg bts
13:21.08ma3xis there a nice divx player for debian
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13:21.11ma3xthat can load subtitles
13:21.21jm_mplayer can show subtitles
13:21.23lesshaste<PROTECTED>
13:21.25pznabrotman, :) do you have any other hint about where can I "convert" this file to a graphic thing?
13:21.29ma3xso that i wont have to boot to windows every time i want to see a movie with subtitle
13:21.48ma3xjm_, my mplayer sucks, hundreds of errors
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13:22.02jm_ma3x: if you say so
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13:22.10valdyn!vagueness
13:22.10dpkgVAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY!
13:22.16ma3xjm_, btw do you use mplayer or gmplayer?
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13:22.18abrotmanpzn: afaik it already describes a graphic thing :)
13:22.20jm_ma3x: mplayer
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13:22.42yangxdrac: i just checked, all users come in without password, like that /etc/shadow is disabled
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13:23.02azoresma3x: you can boot into WinPE and play DVD but i'm not sure about playing DivX with subtitles.
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13:23.17abrotmanpzn: you just have to find the app that opens it .. and i used to know what it was
13:23.17pznabrotman, yep. it describes. but I'd like to see a jpg/png/... :)
13:23.23azoresma3x: maybe BSPlayer can but i've never tried.
13:23.24dracyangx: Are you sure it's safe to IRC from the same host, and tell on 1000 people channel everyone can login without password?
13:23.32ma3xazores, bsplayer is great
13:23.36ma3xis there bsplayer for debian?
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13:23.49azoresma3x: but i'm not sure if it can work on WinPE
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13:23.54ma3xwhats winpe?
13:23.58Atom_Zerowho upgraded firmware to ipw2200? I tried to but i dunno what i have to write in $DEVPATH in firmware.agent script.
13:24.02streunerma3x: vlc, xine, mplayer
13:24.04azoresma3x: XP bootable CD
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13:24.13ma3xstreuner, VLC doesn't display the subtitle
13:24.14abrotmanpzn: graphviz?
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13:24.33streunerma3x: try xine or mplayer then
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13:24.42azoresma3x: you don't need a hd to run it. it is pretty much like WinXP but limited number of software can run on WinPE
13:24.45abrotman!tell pzn about dot
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13:24.46ma3xazores, what you need that xp bootable cd for? I want to watch it on debian, not win
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13:24.53abrotmanpzn: and no .. i didn't just make that one up :)
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13:25.27azoresma3x: you said "so that i could watch it without having to boot into windows" or something so i thought it might help
13:25.29valdynyangx: kill your telnet daemon
13:25.35azoresma3x: is not i am sorry to brought it up
13:25.45abrotmanpzn: that help ?
13:25.58regularguerin: plz give me some direct instruction on how to install a new kernel, while keeping the 2 that i already have managed by grub
13:26.10Zenoxma3x: maybe kaffeine as you're in kde (xine really)?
13:26.17Guerinregular: sarge or etch?
13:26.24regularsarge
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13:26.28pznabrotman, sure! that is what I needed. Already installed the package and it worked as desired! thanks!
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13:26.41Phr0zenKore_is framebuffer built-in in debian?
13:26.42abrotmanpzn: yay
13:26.45abrotmanno
13:27.00Phr0zenKore_how do i get framebuffer, then?
13:27.06ma3xZenox, xine or kaffeine?
13:27.15Guerinregular: you probably need a newer kernel. download one from packages.debian.org - look for linux-image-2.6.12-1-arch
13:27.17dracyangx: I'd take that machine offline quickly, or even close telnet, ftp, and so on
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13:27.53yangxvaldyn: yes, i am running telnet...on ssh the passwords need to be put in correctly
13:27.54Zenoxma3x: i prefer kaffeine myself (it's using xine as backend), becoz it has nice gui, handles subtitles and so on... just works
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13:28.12yangxdrac: yep, i change the ip
13:28.27regularguerin: if i do, do you think that every daemon which is running over a 2.4 kernel will be kind of "automatically" replaced?
13:28.28ma3xZenox, if you use xine, it has option to load only subtitle tracks
13:28.29ma3xbut not from file
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13:28.45viper__ok i downloaded the netboot iso from debian.org and I got cdrecord to work .. but whats the command to burn the iso file to cd ... my scsi writer is at 0,1,0 ???
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13:28.59MortalmanAnyone know an esy way to find out what hardware is supported by what kernel?   Is there like a searchabel database somewhere ?
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13:29.19valdynMortalman: nope
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13:29.29yangxvaldyn: is that an telnet bug or?
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13:29.38Zenoxma3x: uhu, external subs is supported in kaffeine anyways
13:29.45valdynyangx: no idea, just wanted you to disable that service
13:29.46streunerviper: cdrecord -scanbus
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13:30.08viper__streuner yea I know my device is at 0,1,0 but whats the command to burn an .iso file ??
13:30.13streunerviper: cdrecord -v dev=0,1,0 driveropts=burnfree /foo.iso
13:30.20Mortalmandoh!
13:30.31Zenoxma3x: they are autoloaded... you can check here too - http://kaffeine.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=faq#question7
13:30.33ma3xZenox, in xine too, I've just found it, but it freezes when I laod it
13:30.39viper__streuner thnx ... whats driveropts=burnfree mean ?
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13:31.15Zenoxma3x: ah hmm, it works for me. weird, maybe try kaffeine and check? havent tried xine at all myself (in a long time anyways)
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13:32.09ma3xZenox, hold on, I'm installing it
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13:32.28streunerviper: it turn burnfree
13:32.28streuner<PROTECTED>
13:32.59viper__streuner ok thnx
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13:34.32abrotmanMortalman: been done .. and fails .. hardware manufacturers make subtle changes .. then shit doens't work
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13:34.55abrotman!tell Mortalman about lhd
13:35.01abrotmanMortalman: stuff like that
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13:35.28abrotmanMortalman: but if you want to .. go ahead :)
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13:36.10iostreamI'm getting this error during boot "WARNING: 1 siblings found for CPU0, should be 2"... on a intel xeon, but I have been unable to find any usefull information on google... What's wrong`?
13:36.27regularguerin:thanks, im going to check the latest kernel package with an official site
13:36.38Mortalmanabrotman: Umm, actual support, maybe I meant a list of drivers that were included.
13:36.43Guerinregular: um
13:37.02abrotmanMortalman: that's been done too .. there is a website currently active ..(if i could find it)
13:37.09bloodnesswho can help me with my open office
13:37.11bloodness?
13:37.12Guerinregular: you realise that any software which worked with your 2.4 kernelw ill also work with any 2.6
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13:37.38Mortalmanabrotman: That would be awesome.  Only reason I would do it is if it wasn't done before.
13:37.43Analyserhello, someone how can i lock a user in his home directory?
13:38.10YoeAnalyser: as in?
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13:38.12Guerinregular: all your daemons, etc. Just install it and see if it works.
13:38.20GuerinAnalyser: local or remote?
13:38.24regularguerin: i must-ve placed my problem wrongly.... i.m using a 2.6 kernel already, but i had the noaoutosave option wrongly set and exchanged some hardware cards....
13:38.30Yoeyou don't want him to look elsewhere, or you don't want him to *do* stuff elsewhere?
13:38.33abrotmanMortalman: it has .. but do it again! .. since i can't find it .. must not be that popular :)
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13:38.47viper__what does it mean when cdrecord can`t fixate disk ?
13:38.50Guerinregular: all 2.6 kernels are not created equal.
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13:39.12Yoeviper__: that some (somewhat broken) CD drives _might_ not be able to read it
13:39.15Guerinregular: but i don't know what you mean by noautosave, so I'll leave that to others
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13:39.21Yoeviper__: nothing to worry about, unless it bites you
13:39.29Mortalmanabrotman: and I t the only way to findout what drivers are in each kernel it to manualy go through each kernel source?
13:39.41tretrethe European Commission want to keep all telephone and internet traffic data of all 450 million Europeans. If you are concerned about this plan, please sign the petition at http://www.dataretentionisnosolution.com/
13:39.43viper__Yoe but how can I fix it ?? .. can I use some other commands ??
13:39.44GuerinMortalman: .config and changelog
13:39.46regularguerin: so you say... put a brand new kernel and wait for configuration time...
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13:39.52yangxvaldyn: seems that my telnetd disables all passwords...why is that? I want to use telnetd
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13:39.59chealbloodness: perhaps someone that knows how to help you, or #openoffice.org
13:40.01valdynMortalman: the pure existance of any driver doesnt mean that it works for anyone
13:40.14Yoeviper__: it's a problem with the combination of your hardware and media.
13:40.14Guerintretre: please don't.
13:40.14bloodnessok
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13:40.14Yoeviper__: either change hardware, or change media.
13:40.14abrotmanMortalman: ideally .. you'd do each new one .. and then list the point at which support for a device/revision was added/dropped .. wouldn't you ?
13:40.18Mortalmanvaldyn: Entirely aware of that fact.
13:40.22Yoeviper__: but if it *works*, there's no reason to do that.
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13:40.47tretreGuerin, don't what? I don't like to be monitored.
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13:41.05Mortalmanabrotman: sounds good, but how would I find out at what point the support was added/dropped ?
13:41.11abrotmantretre: this is nto the channel for that
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13:41.27abrotmanMortalman: hundreds of change logs ... :(
13:41.29Mortalmanor does it keep dates in each kernel
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13:41.38Mortalmanabrotman: gotcha
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13:41.39abrotmanMortalman: though .. reading kerneltraffic might help speed it up :)
13:41.47Guerintretre: we don't like to be entreated with worth causes.
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13:41.49abrotmanMortalman: release notes are good too!
13:41.54Mortalmanabrotman: kerneltraffic ?
13:41.55regularguerin: as far as i know, there is an autosave option for your machine configuration... you can set it to on so your machine always saves its current state before shutting down and makes new hardware detection while on boot, depending on how you set the autosave option
13:41.55Guerinor worthy ones.
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13:42.08abrotmanMortalman: ah .. kerneltraffic.org .. summary of LKML
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13:42.24Guerinregular: and you can't change it?
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13:42.38tretreabrotman, I agree but people should be aware of their nasty plan and I think most of the opensource movement care...
13:42.39Mortalmanhmmmm
13:42.47yacyacwhere do i check which softwares are available to download
13:42.55abrotmantretre: doesn't matter .. this is not the channel for that .. don't do that
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13:43.08regularive lost trace of where configuration files are... many are delegated to second or 3rd files.... kinda lost my track
13:43.14Atom_Zerowho upgraded firmware to ipw2200? I tried to but i dunno what i have to write in $DEVPATH in firmware.agent script.
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13:43.46Atom_Zerowhat i have to do with /sys filesystem
13:43.48Atom_Zero?
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13:44.11Atom_Zeroit cannot write files in it even it is set in fstab /sys rw
13:44.12Zenoxma3x: did it work with kaffeine?
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13:44.37Zenox!stats
13:44.37dpkgSince Mon Sep  5 23:55:38 2005, there have been 75 modifications, 3783 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1209 commands.  I have been awake for 7d 13h 48m 59s this session, and currently reference 26280 factoids.  I'm using about 17400 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1535.25/78.25 child 1720.76/130.23
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13:45.00valdynAtom_Zero: why the hell would you create files in /sys ?
13:45.04AnalyserGuerin: local
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13:45.36GuerinAnalyser: why would you?
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13:45.50Atom_Zerovaldyn it is needed to upgrade firmware to ipw2200
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13:46.02valdynAtom_Zero: what exactly is needed?
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13:46.42AnalyserGuerin: ?
13:46.44ma3xZenox, wait, im building deps
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13:47.10Atom_Zerovaldyn: i set $DEVPATH to /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ipw2200
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13:47.19Guerin!security through obscurity
13:47.19dpkgOk, if you're wanting to hide /proc from a user, or chroot a user, disable su for a user, or otherwise fool a user into thinking he's not capable of doing anything , you're the fool. Hiding things from users normally provides no material security benefit, and causes massive headaches for those who actually use the machine in question. Ask me about <chroot ssh>, <hide ps> and <disable su>
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13:47.23regularanalyser: i needed know something about tracerouting, that sort of stuff... can you give me some clues? im a newbie...
13:47.31ma3xZenox, can't install it. Some deps are not installable
13:47.35Zenoxma3x: ah.. you're not just using the version in APT?
13:47.40GuerinAnalyser: the question stands.
13:47.52ma3xZenox, I do, im running sid
13:47.58valdynAtom_Zero: and? even if you did, what has that to do with WRITING something to /sys ?
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13:48.08Analyserregular: have you the traceroute package?
13:48.26regularanalyser: i cant even tell if i.m running some kind of watchdog module... these things are hard to deal with..
13:48.27valdynAtom_Zero: are you using the ipw2200 debian package?
13:48.28AnalyserGuerin: i dont understood you question
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13:48.38Atom_Zeroi need to upgrade my intel wifi card to run under linux
13:48.43Atom_Zerono
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13:48.50Analyserregular: sorry i cant help you about it.
13:48.53Atom_Zerobecause it also need firmware
13:48.57regularanalyser:yes, but for normal purposes only
13:49.14Zenoxma3x: darnit. hmm, guess it isnt much to do then, except wait for it to become available in apt again (or build from source, but that's not the way to go really)
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13:49.18GuerinAnalyser: this is a good indication that you shouldn't be doing what you're wanting to do.
13:49.22bhearsumwhat package do i reconfigure to choose a new apt mirror?
13:49.27regularim not into the security paranoia freakness
13:49.34ma3xyup
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13:49.41xozbhearsum: apt-setup
13:49.46bhearsumthanks.
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13:49.50valdynAtom_Zero: im not sure where you are
13:49.53AnalyserGuerin: no, i need do it. i dont want the users walking accross the system
13:50.00Atom_Zeroin poland ;]
13:50.06GuerinAnalyser: why not? What can they do?
13:50.06oopmphi cant seem to find the netinstall isos for testing on the debian site
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13:50.14oopmphwould anyone happen to have a link
13:50.17Guerinoopmph: install stable and upgrade
13:50.25Atom_Zeroi already compiled and installed ieee80211 and ipw2200 sources
13:50.29ma3xthis is the most stupid error i've seen
13:50.38Atom_Zeroand modprobe finds ipw2200
13:50.42oopmphok
13:50.46AnalyserGuerin: they can copy files, see configuration files, etc...i just dont want it. do you know how can i lock the users in his home?
13:50.48valdynAtom_Zero: copy the firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ and do not fuck with hotplug.agent
13:50.54ma3xma3x:/usr/share/fonts/truetype# ls /var/lib/defoma/gs.d/dirs/fonts/FreeSerifBold.ttf /var/lib/defoma/gs.d/dirs/fonts/FreeSerifBold.ttf
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13:51.05sanxiynhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/09/msg00070.html
13:51.06ma3xma3x:/usr/share/fonts/truetype# cp /var/lib/defoma/gs.d/dirs/fonts/FreeSerifBold.ttf /home/ma3x cp: cannot stat `/var/lib/defoma/gs.d/dirs/fonts/FreeSerifBold.ttf': No such file or directory
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13:51.09sanxiynThat is insanity.
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13:51.12tarzeauok say i have mozilla-firefox, and i have /etc/mailcap and i have ~/.mailcap, where does this browser know from that it should open an application/pdf with acroread?
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13:51.16ma3xIt's there but it's not there???
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13:51.20Analyserma3x: hey! dont paste here!
13:51.23Atom_Zerovaldyn: and thats all?
13:51.27GuerinAnalyser: no, answer the question. If they can do anything which would materially harm the system, you haven't got your box set up properly.
13:51.47ma3xAnalyser, I'm not flooding
13:51.56Analyserma3x: use the paste bot please
13:51.57valdynAtom_Zero: the reset is done by the ipw2200 debian package
13:52.00Guerinma3x: you are. Stop it.
13:52.04Atom_Zerothe firmware is copied there
13:52.07bhearsumi'm having an issue with my stable. box. i can't update the package list on any mirror (i tried uchicago, mit, and rutgers) and i can't install anything ('this package has no installation candidate'
13:52.08regularim off, thanks guerin
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13:52.31Atom_Zeroso you suggest to use deb package with ipw2200?
13:52.40ma3xGuerin, any idea why its displaying file which is not present?
13:52.48sanxiynQuote (in part): "KDE transition is tied up to JACK transition via arts. JACK transition is waiting for FLTK thanks to zynaddsubfx. But there's little point in breaking the link, because FLTK transition is tied up with KDE transition thanks to openexr."
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13:53.01bob2go KDE!
13:53.06valdynAtom_Zero: something like: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200
13:53.18valdyn!info ipw2200-source  sarge
13:53.20dpkgipw2200-source: (Source for the ipw2200 driver), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 180 kB
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13:53.29tarzeauwhere does mozilla-firefox store what documents it opens with what god fucking damned application?
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13:53.55sanxiyntarzeau: I don't have the slightest idea.
13:54.15Atom_Zerovaldyn: ok thx! i'll try to mess with that with your way ;]
13:54.16GuerinAnalyser: there are several answers, anyway. one is to use some sort of virtualisation system like UML or xen; another would be to use chroot, which would require each user to have a copy of all the files she might need within her own chroot - thus multiplying disk space, upgrade and maintenance requirements, and still not really gaining any meaningful security benefit.
13:54.16AnalyserGuerin: all the user needs in his files on his home, and the programs which they execute from his path. nothing more, just it. so why i cant lock him is his home?
13:54.17tarzeausanxiyn: you are not a developer of this piece of a crap of software
13:54.41sanxiyntarzeau: .mozilla/firefox/<random string>/mimeTypes.rdf, it seems.
13:54.42Ungyebay bought skype dude it was good software too damn
13:54.43GuerinAnalyser: did you actually read the factoid above, and the ones it links to?
13:55.07AnalyserGuerin: i wanna do something like we do with ftp, wich we lock the user in his home
13:55.27sanxiyntarzeau: If you selected "always open X with Y" by mistake, perhaps you can delete the file and start over?
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13:55.39GuerinAnalyser: that's simple for ftp, where all the commands are actually accessed and called by a ftp daemon, not the user directly.
13:55.41sanxiyntarzeau: Does mimeTypes.rdf look like correct file?
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13:55.55tarzeausanxiyn: it looks correct, and it so fucking looks braindead
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13:56.00Zero_Doggwhich package do I need for gcc to be able to create executeables?
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13:56.17GuerinAnalyser: this is ignoring the fact that a user with local access to the machine can root you in moments, which makes this doubly useless.
13:56.17sanxiynZero_Dogg: Get build-essential.
13:56.18bob2build-essential
13:56.20tarzeausanxiyn: is there no place i can configure this for all users, easily?
13:56.28Zero_Doggthanks
13:56.29tarzeausanxiyn: without touching user home directories?
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13:56.37tarzeau!faq Zero_Dogg
13:56.40dpkgZero_Dogg: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/
13:56.43sanxiyntarzeau: There must be, but I have no idea.
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13:57.06tarzeausanxiyn: i swear, when i ever meet one of those developers of mozilla, firefox or thunderbird
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13:57.18tarzeausanxiyn: they rather pray to god they don't ever meet me
13:57.45AnalyserGuerin: see apt-cache show jailer ; may be this is my answer
13:58.00Guerintarzeau: did firefox eat your waterchickens?
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13:58.45GuerinAnalyser: it's just chroot, as I explained.
13:59.00tarzeauGuerin: it's the worst piece of shit i've ever seen
13:59.06Guerinall my objections are still entirely valid, and your rationales aren't.
13:59.18Guerintarzeau: i've seen worse pieces of shit
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13:59.46AnalyserGuerin: with chroot can i easy lock down the user?
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13:59.50Guerinfirefox runs rock-solid for me as long as I stay clear of flash and java, for weeks at a time, with dozens of tabs
14:00.01asgGuerin: I second that
14:00.02GuerinAnalyser: as i explained above.
14:00.29AnalyserGuerin: ok
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14:00.56tarzeauGuerin, asg: which version of firefox exactly?
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14:01.06asgtarzeau: the current one in sid
14:01.13tarzeauGuerin, asg: do you ever print out html pages?
14:01.22Guerintarzeau: 1.0.5-1
14:01.34Guerincurrently; no change since 0.9.something
14:01.37sanxiynCurrent one in sid, as well as any earlier versions, routinely crashed for me.
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14:01.50asgtarzeau: not usually no. The only thing I ever print is pdfs of my latex documentation
14:01.54tarzeauasg, Guerin: i am stuck on stable here
14:02.03tarzeauand stable has 1.0.4
14:02.13Guerintarzeau: backport
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14:02.24sanxiynSymptoms include sudden close of window (with loss of text I was typing), random death while navigating history (back, forward), etc.
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14:02.27Guerintarzeau: have you tried the mozilla.org builds?
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14:02.40tarzeauGuerin: no, have you?
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14:02.47tarzeauGuerin: should i use backports or mozilla.org builds?
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14:03.29Trewasactually stable has firefox 1.0.6 through security update, the security team couldn't backport the fixes so they only "backported" the version-number
14:03.33Guerintarzeau: i'd go with backports, since the debian packages work for me, but i've used earlier mozilla.org packages without trouble too
14:03.46GuerinTrewas: heh
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14:04.13sanxiynGuerin: Yes, security team gave up and just uploaded newest version.
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14:04.24Guerinwell, that was on the cards
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14:05.01Phr0zenKore_hey all, how do i get the newest version of gaim on debian?
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14:05.17sanxiynPhr0zenKore_: Why?
14:05.24streuner!info gaim sid
14:05.26dpkggaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 827 kB, Installed size: 2028 kB
14:05.28chealPhr0zenKore: on which release?
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14:05.32Bomboi need some help with configureing my samba (on a debian sarge box) as a printer server
14:05.35Phr0zenKore_1.5.0
14:05.35Bomboi want to print from a win2k machine, but when i try to install the remote printer it says "the remote server does not have a printer driver for this printer"
14:05.39Phr0zenKore_i now have 1.2.1
14:05.39sanxiynPhr0zenKore_: You get the "newest" version by checking out CVS and building from it.
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14:05.46ircdevil"kun frigide kvinder spiser kiwi med t-ske"
14:05.49streunerPhr0zenKore: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
14:05.49chealPhr0zenKore_: which debian release?
14:05.49YoeBombo: there's a HOWTO for that
14:06.05YoeBombo: I think it's part of the LDP, at http://www.tldp.org/
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14:06.17YoeBombo: if not, ask me again ;-)
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14:06.31Phr0zenKore_cheal: i have 1.2.1 here and i want 1.5.0, it's stable
14:06.32tarzeauGuerin: where/which backport do you have a direct link?
14:06.32streunerPhr0zenKore: /msg dpkg backports
14:06.34Akbaranyone know where that beagle app is?
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14:06.50BomboYoe: i'll take a look
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14:07.06toresbeoh well, I'm strolling homewards
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14:07.10lestesthi there ... the debian installer cannot detect my ide cdrom during the installation process, any clue?
14:07.11toresbeoops
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14:07.16chealPhr0zenKore_: which debian release are you running? stable, testing, something elese?
14:07.20dumezilanyone know how to get chinese working in kde?
14:07.20streunerPhr0zenKore: scroll up and read what i said about...
14:07.22sanxiynlestest: Too bad.
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14:07.26cheal!tell Phr0zenKore_ about release
14:07.27Phr0zenKore_cheal: stable
14:07.27sanxiynlestest: You can report it.
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14:07.43lestestsanxiyn: I was scared about it
14:07.43Guerintarzeau: nope, I use sid, not stable+backports. You'd want to BYO or use the sdo version.
14:07.45sanxiyndumezil: You don't need to do anything.
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14:07.55cheal!tell Phr0zenKore_ about quick sarge/etch mix
14:08.01lestestsanxiyn: this happens only if I use kenel 2.6
14:08.01sanxiynKDE is properly i18n'd software. (as is GNOME)
14:08.07sanxiynlestest: Aha.
14:08.08tarzeau!BYO
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14:08.12tarzeau!sdo
14:08.15sanxiynlestest: Still, report it. :-)
14:08.16chealPhr0zenKore_: you'd need to get testing's gaim on stable. which I'm not sure is a good thing
14:08.29toresbesanxiyn: he might be referring to chinese input
14:08.31Guerintarzeau: build your own and security.debian.org
14:08.36dumezilsanxiyn: what do you mean?  i want to be able to write in chinese and read my chinese email and read chinese websites
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14:08.40lestestsanxiyn: but If I install with 2.4 and try to switch to 2.6 if fails (another report?)
14:08.49sanxiyndumezil: For reading, install any chinese font.
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14:09.00sanxiyndumezil: That's all you need to do.
14:09.02Guerindumezil: apt-cache search fonts asian
14:09.07toresbedumezil: You need to google :)  -  there are plenty of docs for Japanese input, probably some for Chinese as well
14:09.09tarzeausanxiyn: and a browser that can handle it
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14:09.18sanxiyntarzeau: Ah, yes.
14:09.23sanxiyndumezil: ttf-arphic-* is a good choice.
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14:09.37sceighow can i set my primary dns server ?
14:09.39caphusotarzeau: i've got the log of the zsh talk at http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/talk
14:10.01caphusotarzeau: can you put it on linuks.mine.nu/irc/ to the other ones?
14:10.18sanxiyndumezil: For input, installing chinput and setting up XIM env var should be enough.
14:10.22tarzeaucaphuso: thank you, yes i will, and read it up (was it good? sorry, i really didn't want to miss it)
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14:10.48sanxiynIn the future, "setting up XIM" part should be done by package anyway. cf. im-switch.
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14:11.14caphusotarzeau: #zsh grew to ~40 users since then, which is almost twice as many as before the talk, so i guess it wasn't too bad
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14:11.47sanxiyndumezil: You may want to use Mozilla's charset detector specialized for Chinese to get out of gb/big5/utf8 etc mess.
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14:12.15AnalyserGuerin: do you know some doc about the uml?
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14:12.30tarzeaucaphuso: yes that's impressing
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14:12.35sanxiyndumezil: I haven't tried scim, but see also scim-chinese.
14:12.39GuerinAnalyser: bob2 does
14:13.00toresbecaphuso: what's that?
14:13.01m2hmm... I need to adjust the hilite regexp
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14:13.08bob2heh
14:13.09toresbecaphuso: I've been meaning to look into zsh meself
14:13.12dumezilsanxiyn: sorry im not really understanding...  i get the chinese fonts part (do i have to logout and log back in to get them to work or what?), but i don't understand how to do chinese input...
14:13.22caphusotoresbe: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/talk
14:13.42Bombo"You will need to download and install Windows printer drivers for each Linux printer you are sharing. Windows printer drivers can be found by searching the web site of your printer manufacturer."
14:13.55*** part/#debian lightyear (n=animagi@219.95.43.236)
14:14.00Bombothats what the "HOWTO/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing" says
14:14.03sanxiyndumezil: You want to close existing application (say, web browser) and open them again.
14:14.10toresbecaphuso: neato
14:14.15tarzeaucaphuso: http://apheriodic.net/phil/prompt/  dead link?
14:14.21sanxiyndumezil: login/logout is not needed, although it doesn't hurt.
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14:14.24Bombobut it doesnt say how samba can provide those drivers
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14:14.28caphusotarzeau: typo... aperiodic.net
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14:14.45sanxiyndumezil: It should "refresh" font cache by itself, but if it doesn't, force it by typing fc-cache.
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14:15.17beardyBombo: Probably by serving the files. And the people that wants to print have to install the driver.
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14:15.37AnalyserGuerin: to lock a user, i always will need to create a new environment?
14:16.01sanxiyndumezil: You may want kde-i18n-zhcn too.
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14:16.06Bombobeardy: nope. the driver will be installed automatically when someone opens the printer.
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14:16.19Bombobeardy: should be.
14:16.20sanxiyn(Which will localize KDE strings)
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14:16.57bloodnesshow can i make a font default in openoffice ???
14:17.00bloodnesspls help
14:17.06sanxiynbloodness: Huh?
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14:17.21sanxiynbloodness: You pull down font selectbox and choose what you want.
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14:17.41beardyBombo: Not through samba. It will install an existing driver, from the places windows knows/cares about, I think.
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14:18.01PaulRCould anyone please help answer this question i posted on debianHELP?
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14:18.08PaulRhttp://www.debianhelp.org/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-9861.html
14:18.16dumezilok so now i can see chinese...  how do i input chinese?
14:18.30beardydumezil: Use a keyboard?
14:18.37sanxiynbeardy: ...
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14:19.02dumezillol
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14:19.33sanxiyndumezil: apt-get install chinput; export LANG=zh_CN.UTF-8; export XMODIFIERS=@im=Chinput; <start some app>
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14:19.41beardydumezil: ;) , but what do you mean, how do they do input in China then?
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14:19.57sanxiynbeardy: With variety of methods. Normally pinyin.
14:20.19dumezilsome app is console app or x app?
14:20.23sanxiynX.
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14:20.41hiuxscim
14:20.45sanxiynYou'd have a hard time getting a working Chinese input on console...
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14:20.54sanxiynAs I said, I haven't tried scim.
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14:21.14hiuxscim has a good wubi
14:21.17sanxiyn(Or IIIMF, or others...)
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14:21.44sanxiynI am a Korean user, and Korean has two main input methods: 2-set and 3-set.
14:21.49sanxiynBoth are well supported by nabi.
14:21.53hiuxIt's perfect with my xfce
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14:22.05sanxiynhiux: Well, explain to dumezil...
14:22.30Bombobeardy: its possible with [print$]
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14:22.32Bombobeardy: http://de.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/classicalprinting.html#id2607312
14:22.43Bombobeardy: someone in #samba told me ;)
14:22.47hiuxthere are many docs in google.
14:22.55Bombobeardy: u'm currently trying that
14:22.58hiuxi just followed them.
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14:23.02Bomboi'm even
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14:23.26valdynPaulR: did you edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually at any time?
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14:23.35hiuxsanxiyn
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14:23.43hiuxdo you play war3?
14:23.47sanxiynNo.
14:23.49beardyBombo: Ah, I didn't know that. Let's hope it works fine then.
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14:24.09hiuxit's a pity
14:24.14sanxiyn使用XIMå议的æ¡ä»¶æ˜¯, 你的系统必须支æŒä¸­æ–‡Locale, 应用软件是已ç»å›½é™…化
14:24.14sanxiyn<PROTECTED>
14:24.18PaulRvaldyn: not until i tried to fix it and then only added a resolution/color depth
14:24.22asuffieldstop that
14:24.23hiuxi live korean.
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14:24.42hiuxbecause i love war3
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14:25.05hiuxdumezil Ä㻹ÔÚÂð£¿
14:25.13valdynPaulR: /msg dpkg xmd5 or read the top comment in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, fix the md5 sum and rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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14:26.16beardyhiux: sanxiyn: /msg
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14:26.16PaulRvaldyn: actually i only edited that file while the 17inch monitor was connected because even that only showed a max resolution of 800x600 in X
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14:26.17hiuxthanks
14:26.17sanxiynOkay, I forgot for a moment #debian is an English channel. Sorry.
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14:26.17PaulRvaldyn: eek! newbie here
14:26.17valdynPaulR: same result makes using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 pointless, so fix it
14:26.17valdyn!xmd5
14:26.17dpkgIf you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made.
14:26.21valdyn^^ easy enough
14:26.27PaulRvaldyn: thinking!
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14:27.17PaulRvaldyn: sorry what does /msg mean?
14:27.42hiuxmaybe it's PM
14:27.55valdynPaulR: irc command to send a personal msg, but since i already made dpkg explain this you dont need to use it..
14:28.00hiuxi just have not used it before
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14:29.12M23are the madwifi drivers in the standard debien packages?
14:29.29M23oops
14:29.41PaulRvaldyn: i'm on irc in a windows box so thats a lot of typing to do ....back in a bit!
14:30.03hiuxsanxiyn, does "salrahae" mean i love you?
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14:30.23sanxiynhiux: In what language?
14:30.31hiuxkorea
14:30.34hiuxkorean
14:30.39sanxiynhiux: No.
14:30.46sanxiyn(More like saranghae)
14:31.00hiuxthanks.
14:31.48sanxiynhttp://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/stalls.html
14:31.53sanxiynAmazing.
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14:33.02pzncan you recommend some svn web viewer package (similar to cvsview)?
14:33.04samuelsup all
14:33.15sanxiynpzn: viewcvs.
14:33.20samuelanyone know of any packages of gnome 2.12 ?
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14:33.33abrotmansanxiyn: i'll give oyu money if you can tell me why  lg-issue11 stalls packages :)
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14:33.35sanxiynpzn: viewcvs can view svn repository.
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14:33.41abrotmansanxiyn: without cheating
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14:34.35sanxiynpzn: There's also websvn, which I doesn't like, but you may.
14:35.18sanxiynHm, this should be simple matter of "debtags grep devel::rcs:subversion interface::web", if we have all packages tagged. :(
14:35.21pznsanxiyn, ok. I'll try viewcvs (that some users are already used to)
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14:35.41M23are the madwifi drivers in the standard deb packages somewhere?
14:35.47abrotman!madwifi
14:35.48dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install'
14:36.07sanxiynpzn: You may want to see what it looks like:
14:36.15sanxiynpzn: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/ (Apache SVN repo viewed by viewcvs)
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14:37.36mostyis it safe to purge netbase after installing? i want to use xinetd and purge netkit-inetd
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14:37.56PaulRvaldyn:rebooting fingers crossed
14:38.04M23abrotman, thanks
14:38.24abrotmanM23: you saw the madwifi-install factoid ?
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14:38.47M23abrotman, from the msg, yeah.
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14:38.56abrotmanokay
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14:39.12Sashihey
14:39.16M23abrotman, been a while since I used em. Last time I had to compile from CVS.
14:39.18Sashiwoot i got my resou higher :)
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14:39.31ituhi there. i'm new to debian and linux altogether. how many sound applications can i have playing sound at the same time in debian? people have told me it's only one just unless they are 'jacked' or something.
14:39.32adb123Anyone have a backup/restore suggestion here by any chance? I was interested in taking images of whole server, storing for easy restoring. Any ideas?
14:40.12abrotmanM23: ah ok
14:40.21PaulR>>> valdyn: You are a star - I have X windows back! Many, many thanks :-)
14:40.26Sashihey how do i know what sources to add?
14:40.37thingfishadb123: I haven't used it, but I saw some people talking about mondo yesterday.
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14:40.46abrotmanSashi: for what?
14:40.49Sashiapt
14:40.54abrotmanapt-setup
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14:42.27mostyitu: unless your soundcard supports hardware mixing, you'll need a software sound daemon to mix multiple sources
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14:42.44itumosty: can you recommend a daemon?
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14:43.02mostyitu: no, i've never used one
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14:44.30itumosty: hmm ok i'll find out if my SBLive! card supports hardware mixing. thanks
14:44.51ituanyone here recommend a good sound daemon? is dmix popular and/or good?
14:44.55thingfishan sblive card should not need software help to mix.
14:44.59mostyitu: just try playing two sound files at the same time
14:45.51itumosty: it's not working with ALSA here. i'm trying to use audacity and hydrogen - i can only start up one application at a time as each locks the sound card.
14:45.58M23looks like someone did a program like mine for the madwifi drivers.
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14:46.38itumosty: i have no OSS drivers loaded so i'm assuming there isn't a conflict there.
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14:47.18Sashii cant install mplayer
14:47.22Sashino such package?
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14:47.45darknessHi folks. I have a dual hdd/dual boot sys. Windows xp home using the ntfs filesys on one and debian sarge on the other. Can i mount the ntfs sys onto deb so i can access the files on my wins box?
14:47.45abrotman!tell Sashi about mplayer
14:47.48abrotman!tell Sashi about marillat
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14:47.59abrotman!ro-ntfs
14:48.02dpkgadd a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want.
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14:48.36meffis there a way with make-kpkg so it will build the pkg w/out recompiling the kernel fully?
14:48.49wobbleritu: alsa sucks on sblive but oss does good for what you wont
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14:49.00rhalffhmm this is bad or not ? su[3226]: + ??? root:tomcat4 | (pam_unix) session opened for user tomcat4 by(uid=0) | + console root:tomcat4 | that's from my auth.log
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14:49.10ituwobbler: ok thanks wobbler. i'll change from ALSA to OSS then.
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14:49.36abrotmanrhalff: you were root and su'ed to the tomcat user ?
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14:49.51Sashierm
14:49.52Sashideb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main
14:49.53rhalffabrotman, no I didn't, or is this what happens on startup ?
14:49.54Sashino such file
14:49.55dumezili just installed debian from a netboot cd and i was configureing it (getting chinese working on it) etc, and needed to reboot.  i had not rebooted yet.  now im sitting here looking at my system try to come up and there are all these read-only file system errors...
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14:50.04abrotmanrhalff: could be ..
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14:50.47abrotmanSashi: what kind of CPU ?
14:50.50rhalffhmm, let me do what any good sysadmin would do, ignore it and take a coffee :p
14:50.51darknessAbrotman: Can i just edit the first bit to my fstab?
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14:51.00Saship4
14:51.13abrotmandarkness: which first part
14:51.35abrotmanSashi: afaict .. that should work
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14:51.48Sashithe acutal  ftp
14:51.50dumezilmount shows /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro).  so that means its a read write fs right?  however i can't write anything to it...
14:51.53Sashitheres no dir called sarge
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14:52.11darknessAbrotman: the /dev/hddl to my fstab?
14:52.32darknessOr do i have to edit hdxx and uid?
14:52.45Sashinvm
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14:52.48Sashiit works
14:52.57abrotmandarkness: depends which partition your NTFS is on
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14:53.24darknessOf course abrotman i will check.I think its hda2 tbh.
14:53.37thingfishdumezil: it's rw only if there are no errors.
14:54.01dumezilok well apparently there were errors...
14:54.07dumezilhow do i figure out what errors?
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14:54.25thingfishand if you're suddenly having lots of errors, that's a sign that the hardware may be failing.
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14:54.41dumezilwell i just installed the system and rebooted for the first time
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14:54.53dumezilit seems like some sort of configuration problem
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14:54.56otaku42question: is there a way to find out if a given file belongs to an installed package or not?
14:55.04dumezildpkg -S filename
14:55.06dpkgPackage: filename: Status: install ok installed
14:55.12Bombobeardy: its working ;)
14:55.13abrotmandumezil: stop hitting enter
14:55.24abrotmanotaku42: dpkg -L , dpkg -S
14:55.29otaku42abrotman: thx
14:55.31dumezilsorry
14:55.52darknessthx abrotman, i will give it a go :-)
14:56.00Bomboi just drag and drop the printer in win2k to the control panel "printers" and it automagically gets the printers from the remote samba server
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14:56.38abrotmandumezil: check your /etc/mtab .. should show how it's actually mounted
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14:56.58abrotmanyay bots!
14:57.15dumezilabrotman: /dev/hda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
14:57.25dumezilthen theres proc, devpts, and usbfs
14:57.25abrotmanwere there errors ?
14:57.32otaku42abrotman: nope, that's not what i was looking for. example:
14:57.52dumezilabrotman: how do i tell if there were errors?
14:58.05abrotmandumezil: dmesg? syslog ? messages?
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14:58.14thingfishdumezil: above, you said you got lots of read-only errors booting.
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14:58.15me_herei never got so many errors installing sarge before!
14:58.17abrotmancan't they just kline those two hosts?
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14:58.36otaku42abrotman: i install package "xyz", which installs the files /usr/sbin/abc and some stuff to /usr/share/docs. later i want to find out what package /usr/sbin/abc belongs to (which would result in the answer "xyz"). can this be achieved somehow?
14:58.38Lilldudelinkses  router are junk?
14:59.02abrotmanotaku42: dpkg -S should do it .. otherwise .. try apt-file
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14:59.34abrotman$ dpkg -S /usr/sbin/chat
14:59.34abrotmanppp: /usr/sbin/chat
14:59.38abrotmanotaku42: like that ^^
14:59.39Yokaloshi have my usb flash device plugged into my debian machine and i want to reformat it to fat, how would i do this?
14:59.51abrotmanmkfs.vfat
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15:00.07Yokaloshcheers
15:00.10otaku42abrotman: ah, ok, i just misunderstood the output of dpkg -S. thanks.
15:00.11dumezilahh...  i was trying to add codepage support to my filesystems...  i get "EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option codepage"...  might that be it?  and how can i fix it now?
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15:00.30abrotmanotaku42: okeedokee .. apt-file lets you even search for files you don't have installed
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15:00.54otaku42abrotman: cool. thanks, that should solve my problems :)
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15:01.53dumezilis there a way to remount a ro mount?  such as / ?
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15:02.00abrotmanotaku42: also .. packages.debian.org is a good resource
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15:02.08abrotmandumezil: man monut
15:02.12jshriverGood afternoon everyone
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15:02.16dumezilmonut?
15:02.18dumezilhaha
15:02.31huihi
15:02.39abrotmanjust wait till you read the man page for donut
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15:02.44dumeziluhh  can't create a tempory filename: read only file system
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15:02.48huiI'm Korean debianer
15:02.55abrotmanagain?
15:02.55dumezilhey cool
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15:02.58sanxiynhui: Hi, welcome.
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15:03.05sanxiynhui: I'm from Korea too.
15:03.07abrotmansanxiyn: isn't that the same guy?
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15:03.11huihi everyoen
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15:03.15sanxiynabrotman: No idea.
15:03.17huigood
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15:03.28cldhello:) do you know some working bittorrent client for console ?
15:03.30dumezilagain...  ive got one linux box and a windows laptop...  linux can't view man pages...
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15:03.37abrotmansanxiyn: it is huix who was just here
15:03.41Lilldudewere do burning tools show up on kde
15:03.50sanxiyncld: btdownloadcurses.
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15:04.07sanxiyn(From the original bittorrent.)
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15:04.09huiwhere I can find quake2 deb-pakage?
15:04.15jshriverAnyone know how to give cron rw access to a samba share?
15:04.17dumezilcan someone just help me out for a sec and tell me how to remount my ro filesystem as rw?
15:04.19PaulRargh - after reconfiguring xserver I have error message on logging in 'Error activating XKB configuration' telling me to use simpler config but I used only basic choices i.e. kb type 104 uk layout no special commands
15:04.33cldsanxiyn: and is it works ?
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15:04.36jshriverdumezil, umount /dev/whatever mount /dev/whatever /location
15:04.37sanxiyncld: Sure.
15:04.45cldsanxiyn: thanks :)
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15:04.56sanxiyncld: Just type btdownloadcurses <url to torrent>
15:05.01mostyjshriver, cron runs the cron jobs as the user whose cron file the job is in
15:05.13sanxiynWill create a directory under the current directory for multiple files.
15:05.15dumeziljshriver: what if the fs is /
15:05.17dumezil?
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15:05.39jshrivermosty: how can I give myself access then? right now only root can rw to it
15:05.48jshriverdumezil, think you can do that too with /
15:05.56mostyjshriver, what do you want cron to do? edit samba's config file?
15:06.01dumezilmount says / is busy
15:06.10sanxiynhui: Obviously, quake2 package.
15:06.15jshriverna I have a program that generates a report and I need to cp the result to a samba share.
15:06.32mostyjshriver, does your user have permission to write to that samba share?
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15:06.33dumezilcan't you make root's cron do it?
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15:06.41dumezilor some other user
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15:07.04jshrivermosty, I dont know...  not sure how to do that.. I tried chmod -R user:user smbmountpoint but no luck
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15:07.25Mr_Bandit^root@server:~# uptime
15:07.25Mr_Bandit^16:07:18 up 44 days, 20:37, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.02
15:07.27jshriverhrm dumezil good point, I can just have root do the job then.
15:07.28Mr_Bandit^debian ownz
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15:07.36cldsanxiyn: i've installed bittorrent package (http://www.bittorrent.com/) and i have btdownloadcurses.py. i run this with torrent file, but i'm getting error(s):[17:02:29] Tracker announce still not complete 60 seconds after starting it. do you know why ?
15:07.36jshriveragrees with Mr_Bandit^
15:07.47glmMr_Bandit^: hostname server?
15:07.48mostyjshriver, you should not use root unless you really have to
15:07.48mustardI've just tried make-kpg with all the steps described by "/msg dpkg kp mantra" but I get errors: {standard input}: Assembler messages:\n {standard input}:860: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'
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15:07.57sanxiyncld: Sounds like a tracker problem.
15:08.03Mr_Bandit^yes
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15:08.10dumeziljshriver: or give a normal user access to the share and have that user's cron do it
15:08.18sanxiyncld: Well, I meant bittorrent package from the official archive, not from bittorrent.com
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15:08.24minimecHi. After having problems with mplayer for a long time I decided to compile it myself (wich was the best thing I could do). After that I installed the mozilla-mplayer.deb with dpkg -i --force depends, wich gives me an dependecy problem when I start apt-get. Is there a solution to isolate the mozilla-mplayer.deb ?
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15:08.25sanxiynofficial Debian archive.
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15:09.04Mr_Bandit^any of you lot updated the kernel?
15:09.08jshriverdumezil, how do you give a user access to a samba share then? is it something on the server or part of samba.conf?
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15:09.21Mr_Bandit^i wish samba4 came out
15:09.29valdynminimec: why dont you use marillats mplayer?
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15:09.46cldsanxiyn: ok, i'll try official package. i mean bittorrent, because i can't see btdownloadcurses package
15:09.46Mr_Bandit^root@server:~# free -m
15:09.46Mr_Bandit^total used free shared buffers cached
15:09.46Mr_Bandit^Mem: 377 360 17 0 53 219
15:09.46Mr_Bandit^-/+ buffers/cache: 88 289
15:09.46Mr_Bandit^Swap: 290 0 290
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15:09.53Mr_Bandit^I WIN!
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15:10.18Yokaloshooh i just thought of something that has been bugging me, when i install windows media player with crossover office, where does it install to? just out of intrerest
15:10.32bob2~/.fake_windows or so
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15:10.51Yokaloshoki
15:10.52Yokaloshthnx
15:10.55jshriverbbiab thanks for the help
15:11.00Mr_Bandit^/msg dpkg install debian
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15:11.08sanxiynYokalosh: Maybe ~/.wine/fake_windows
15:11.22rkingso, i just got 256 color xterm going, and it's the radness.  i'm now wondering if someone has attempted a viewer, using a big unicode font (lots of glyps) and 256 color term?  it could be way better than anything before it, and still work ok over ssh.
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15:11.34minimecvaldyn: Can't use it. The packages installs but when I start mplayer it gives me an error
15:11.35Lee__woah. What's "FireWire ethernet"?
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15:11.55bob2you can route stuff over it
15:12.00Lee__d-i is telling me there's a network interface using it.
15:12.02dumezilieee1384 allows you to create networks over firewire
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15:12.08bob2my ibook used to have eth1 be firewire
15:12.09huiethernet over firewire
15:12.12valdynminimec: so?
15:12.22Lee__is there switching gear for 1394?
15:12.26bob2hah
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15:12.47minimecso what?
15:12.49beanzHi. Are there any newer kernel-image-2.6s for Sarge?
15:12.54dumezilhow do i remount / as rw?  it currently ro and doing 'umount /; mount /dev/hda1 /' says / is busy
15:12.58bob2does firewire to autosense?
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15:13.01abrotmanbeanz: just what's there ..
15:13.03Lee__beanz: no, unless there's been a DSA
15:13.04greycatdumezil: /msg dpkg I forgot root's password
15:13.06bob2dumezil: sudo mount -o remount,rw /
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15:13.12valdynminimec: give the errorr.. otherwise its somewhat difficult to fix
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15:13.25minimecvaldyn: wait a moment. i have an idea. :-)
15:13.26bob2beanz: sarge is frozen and will not get newer kernels
15:13.31Mr_Bandit^http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
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15:13.43beanzbob2:  how are security updates to the kernel handled?
15:13.44Lee__sarge is released as stable
15:13.54sanxiynbeanz: Nicely.
15:14.00dumezilbob2: ive got a bad option in my /etc/fstab and its preventing / from being mounted rw.  how do i override this option?
15:14.01beanzLee__:  what is a dsa?
15:14.13valdyn!dsa
15:14.13dpkgdsa is, like, Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/.  Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers
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15:14.17Lee__beanz: if you would like a new kernel, install kernel-package and build your own.
15:14.26beanzLee__:  will do thanks
15:14.28Lee__but you really don't have to do that
15:14.44sanxiynLee__: Yes, you don't.
15:14.45Mr_Bandit^Package: kernel-source-2.6.8 (2.6.8-16)
15:14.47Mr_Bandit^:/
15:14.52minimecvaldyn: mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen
15:14.52Mr_Bandit^i have 2.6.8-2
15:14.56Mr_Bandit^theres an update
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15:15.09valdyn!depends mplayer
15:15.13greycatMr_Bandit^: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-image
15:15.14huiI want to playing Quake3 for Free!!
15:15.18Mr_Bandit^apt- get install kernel-source-2.6.8
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15:15.31viperhey can I write on RW cd`s with a normal cd writer ???  I know I can erase but writing oughta be possible rigjht ?
15:15.40bob2beanz: just the fix is applied to the version in sarge
15:15.41Mr_Bandit^(greycat): Mr_Bandit^: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-image
15:15.43greycatviper: in theory.
15:15.44bob2beanz: unless it's not possible
15:15.44Mr_Bandit^whats that do?
15:15.49greycatMr_Bandit^: man dpkg; man grep
15:15.54lestesthi there ... anybody knows why Torque Resource Manager is not in debian? is it a licende porlem or nobody care?
15:16.01bob2dumezil: and that option is?
15:16.17Gumbyum, ok... this is weird. I woke up this morning and my fileserver was rebooted and sitting at the "Give root passws for maintenance or press CTRL+D to continue".  My gf just called me and said her laptop is "broken" and hers is sitting at the same prompt after working just fine last night.  Is there an explout going around?
15:16.18vipergreycat in theory... meaning ONLY in theory or sometimes .. sometimes not?
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15:16.26greycatviper: try it and find out.
15:16.29minimecvaldyn: !depends mplayer?
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15:16.40valdynminimec: my bad, that wont work with marillat packages
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15:16.47greycatGumby: corrupt file system, most likely.
15:16.48vipergreycat I wo`nt break anything right ?? thats why I ask
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15:16.53Mr_Bandit^http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all&page=8&number=50
15:16.53greycatGumby: power outage?
15:17.14Gumbygreycat: on both boxes at the same time?  lol.   well, we live about an hour away from eachother so I dont think so
15:17.15greycat!info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 sarge
15:17.18dpkgkernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 13722 kB, Installed size: 41240 kB
15:17.27matthewjDoes anyone know why mysqld would run just fine, phpmyadmin works, databases work but I can't remotely edit the database with something like CoacoaMySQL or even telnet to the port?
15:17.29greycatthe latest version in sarge is -16.
15:17.30Gumbygreycat: actually, definately not.  none of my other boxes are down/rebooted
15:17.35sanxiynlestest: Who knows...
15:17.47greycatnow if we could just REACH THROUGH THE INTERNET AND TYPE THE COMMAND ON YOUR KEYBOARD, we could learn what version you actually have.
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15:18.07Lee__greycat: he'll probably give you his root password if you ask
15:18.15minimecvaldyn: Hmm. I have that problem with etch and sid. Seems that nobody can use the marillat packages if he doesn't use sarge...
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15:18.43Mr_Bandit^do u need to restart the box if i update it greycat?
15:18.44sanxiynlestest: Torque Resource Manager license includes "Redistribution in any form is only permitted for non-commercial non-profit purposes" which clearly fails DFSG 1.
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15:19.03me_heresarge is stable ? or ? or tesing ?
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15:19.08greycat!sarge
15:19.09dpkgTen-HUT!  Fall in!  Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes
15:19.22greycatsanxiyn: bravo.
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15:19.25cortexI'm trying to get the keybindings in bash with meta (meta-b word back and so on) to work in xterm/gnome-termnial. Meta works in other X programs (for exmaple emacs), and has xeysyms Meta_L and Meta_R. What am I missing?
15:19.29valdynminimec: nah, doubt that, marillats mplayer does work fine for me, you are probably not using the right repository ( stable instead of testing )
15:19.37Mr_Bandit^do u need to restart the box if i update it greycat??
15:19.42greycat*plonk*
15:19.44dumezilhow do i override bad /etc/fstab options?  ive got a bad option that is keeping me from mounting / as rw
15:19.51greycatdumezil: liar.
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15:20.07Mr_Bandit^if i update kernel to -16 what would it do?
15:20.08greycator at least, hopelessly confused.
15:20.09minimecvaldyn: gonna check that :-) be right back
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15:20.22dumezil"EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option codepage" "mount: / not mounted already. or bad option"
15:20.25bob2dumezil: I don't see where you told us what the option is
15:20.29sanxiynMr_Bandit^: It will sacrifice your firstborn.
15:20.30bob2right
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15:20.33greycatdumezil: well then, fix it.
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15:20.42Mr_Bandit^greycat
15:20.47dumezilhow?!  /etc/fstab is on / which i can't mount rw...
15:20.48Mr_Bandit^if i update kernel to -16 what would it do?
15:20.54greycatand fire whoever put codepage crap in your root file system's fstab entry.
15:20.58sanxiynMr_Bandit^: Nothing.
15:21.04valdynminimec: which release are you running? etch? sid?
15:21.08Mr_Bandit^why wont it
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15:21.15Mr_Bandit^its the kernel which controls the os
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15:21.26sanxiynMr_Bandit^: Yes, so it will continue to do its job.
15:21.39Mr_Bandit^will it restart everything?
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15:21.50sanxiynMr_Bandit^: You need to reboot after installing new kernel.
15:21.51dumezilgreycat: i can't exactly fire myself
15:22.03greycatyou broke your own fstab then then rebooted with it?
15:22.11lestestsanxiyn: thankz
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15:22.17Mr_Bandit^even if you update the kernel to 2.6.8-16?
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15:22.37jethrodumezil: use a livecd and fix your fstab then
15:22.47me_herei have a problem with streamtuner in sarge, upon selecting a url it sends them as it is specified to xmms, but xmms will receive but won't play the list, when i open one of the specified urls manually and appending an '/' to them then i can hear sound, but otherwise not, thx for any clues on that (perhaps i miss something! )
15:22.55greycatjethro: or the sarge install CD
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15:23.04dumezilgreycat: yes...  i didn't realize what i was doing
15:23.08jethrogreycat: yeah, or an install cd
15:23.11minimecvaldyn: hmm.. deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main
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15:23.30valdynminimec: and the rest of your system is what?
15:23.32Mr_Bandit^i used a mini.iso for my debian 3.1 install
15:23.36greycatdumezil: boot the sarge CD, hit Enter at the Boot: prompt, wait until it asks you for something, hit Alt-F2, hit Enter, mount it, fix it, umount it, remove the CD, reboot.
15:23.37Mr_Bandit^it pure ownz your ass
15:23.40minimecvaldyn: unstable
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15:23.48cldsanxiyn: thanks for help
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15:24.00jethro!aolify Mr_Bandit^
15:24.12valdynminimec: ok, try running: apt-get install libavcodeccvs mplayer ( that should grab latest verion of each )
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15:24.15greycat!l33t
15:24.15dpkgPlz uze #debian-l33t 4 hlp in l33t !!  U wud get m0re helpz their !!! lol  L33t speakers, please use #debian-l33t for help in the l33t dialect.  You will get much more help there.
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15:24.17minimecvaldyn: working on my laptop here. I have another desktop system with etch
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15:24.35valdynminimec: np, just stick to the sid system, since i know for sure that sid works
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15:24.47Mr_Bandit^i used debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1 which was 655mb :P
15:24.48Mr_Bandit^to the cd
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15:24.50valdynminimec: ops, apt-get update first...
15:25.10minimec:-)
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15:26.37sanxiyn!dbugs 328113
15:26.37streuner!dbugs 328113
15:26.40sanxiyn...
15:26.41dpkg#328113:W[passwd] man page improvements for passwd.5; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:18:04 UTC
15:26.44abrotmangreycat: we can guess!
15:26.47bob2haha
15:27.06minimecvaldyn: libavcodeccvs is the newest version ?!?
15:27.09toresbet
15:27.09abrotmangreycat: you waited a whole 15 minutes?
15:27.13valdynminimec: the latest sid mplayer links against /usr/lib/libavcodec-cvs.so, not libavcodec.so.0
15:27.16toresbepologees.
15:27.22Wanderer_blah.  anyone using irssi with custom colors for msgs and nicks?
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15:27.32antgeldondelelcaro: i think i might have killed the releases factoid whilst trying to add to it
15:27.34valdynminimec: yea, that would fit, its just that your mplayer does link against that one
15:27.35Zero_DoggI've got sarge with the nvidia proprietary drivers on a laptop. The laptop screen is widescreen but all modes I try I get "hsync out of range" in my logfile and it ends up just using 1024x768, now I'm quite unsure how to get this up and running
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15:27.49valdynminimec: 'does NOT' even
15:27.57viperok I have pptpd working and it works terrific .. only 2 things .. how can I make debian accept encrypted connections .. and how can I let my clients have static IPs ??
15:28.00antgelZero_Dogg: do you know the resolution of your screen?
15:28.02Wanderer_blah.  anyone using irssi with custom colors for msgs and nicks with irssi (hit enter too fast)
15:28.04minimecvaldyn: I'll check that. just a moment
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15:28.20epsis there a dedicated channel for unstable sid?
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15:28.22Zero_Doggantgel: 1280x800
15:28.23greycatabrotman: I started with the sarge man page.  It has "copyright 1989-1990..." and a 2005 RCS tag.  Then I edited that, and made it *useful*.  Copied it to my sid box at home, and the man page *there* is identical except that it has a 2002 RCS tag.
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15:28.55abrotmanhehe
15:28.58chris_Is there an rexec client for sarge?
15:28.58sanxiyngreycat: Well, shadow maint team seems to be active. I'm hopeful it will be processed soon.
15:28.59valdynminimec: so there shouild be a newer mplayer available ( mplayer-386 or whatever you use )
15:29.02britt!hi everybody
15:29.03dpkgMany greetings, everybody, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.
15:29.11antgelZero_Dogg: and have you configured that res in the configuration file?
15:29.17bob2rexec makes baby jesus cry
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15:29.24viperhow can I mount an USB memstick ?? which dev and filesys had it got?
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15:29.35asgviper: /msg dpkg usb-storage
15:29.35Zero_Doggantgel: yeah, 2sec and I'll provide the conf
15:29.39brittviper: depends
15:29.42greycatabrotman: then I tried to figure out who upstream is.  the copyright file has an FTP site, but it mentions this woman who originally wrote the page 15 years ago.  the README on the FTP site mentions some polish guy.
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15:29.54sanxiyngreycat: See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg00003.html
15:29.55viperbritt on what ?
15:29.56AnthroWhat's the highest qotd? bob2's rexec comment must be added.
15:29.59brittviper: which one do you have?
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15:30.07viperhmm its an mp3 player
15:30.09greycatabrotman: so I figured "I'll just submit it to reportbug and let the DD figure it out"
15:30.12sanxiyngreycat: Basically, Debian's shadow is a fork.
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15:30.14Zero_Doggantgel: http://developer.skolelinux.no/~zerodogg/XF86Config-4
15:30.19brittviper: they are usually formatted with fat32 though, it's kinda universal
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15:30.36asgAnthro: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune (scroll to the bottom.) don't forget to fill the qotdx factoid numbers first
15:30.36sanxiyngreycat: Shadow maint team is trying their best to synchronise with upstream recently.
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15:30.54greycatsanxiyn: well then they can throw my man page fixes in while they're already greasy.
15:31.07ansongdoesn't dhclient set the appropriate routes? i'm having a problem where i can't resolve hostnames. my resolv.conf correctly listed my dns server: 192.168.10.10 but when i try to ping it i get "Connect: network is unreachable." but i can ping external ip's just fine (i'm on that machine right now in fact) but my route looks odd...
15:31.19Mr_Bandit^0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
15:31.22sanxiyngreycat: Also, check experimental version.
15:31.29brittviper: i just put in a memorex memory stick and it auto-mounted
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15:31.52chipmonk010hey guys and gals i cant seem to dist-upgrade from stable to unstable without breaking gnome ne way to prevent that?
15:31.52greycatsanxiyn: then I'd have to figure out how to get packages from experimental.  I've never done that.... don't really want to either :/
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15:32.00sanxiyn"This package(=shadow) was highly desynchronized with upstream: up to now we had version 4.0.3 in Debian (including sarge and sid) while upstream was still moving on with many changes. Moreover, the 4.0.3 Debian version had accumulated a huge number of Debian-specific patches."
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15:32.22antgelZero_Dogg: delete all the stanzas for irrelevant colour depths and resolutions. confirm correct horizsync and vertrefresh
15:32.26sanxiyn(upstream still moving on, now at 4.0.12.)
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15:32.50Zero_Doggantgel: not sure how to find the correct hsync/vertrefresh
15:32.54greycatchipmonk010: don't run sid, or don't run gnome.  there!  there's two ways!
15:32.58antgelviper: what steps have you taken to mount this?
15:32.59wallyanyone can help or guide me thru iLO on hp proliant servers
15:33.00sanxiyngreycat: Well, let them figure it out. :-)
15:33.00chris_Is there an rexec client for sarge?
15:33.02Anthro!qotd200
15:33.03dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, qotd200 is bob2: rexec makes baby jesus cry
15:33.03minimecvaldyn: this is what I did: apt-get remove mplayer-586 mozilla-mplayer; then apt-get install mozilla-mplayer... That points to mplayer-386. The problem  stays the same
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15:33.18greycatchris_: it's not in the rsh-client(s) package?
15:33.22Anthroasg: Should I do anything other than having set up qotd200?
15:33.26chris_nope
15:33.30antgelZero_Dogg: have you tried one of the debian laptop websites? d-l mailing list? google?
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15:33.58asgAnthro: note that there are spaces. Pick the lowest open space and insert.
15:34.06greycatAnthro: putting them out of order like that makes it harder.
15:34.20chipmonk010greycat: you mean dont run gnome while doing the upgrade? ive treid that still broke, seems like it loaded alot of KDE stuff too could that have something to do with it
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15:34.22Zero_Doggantgel: the laptop is new and by an independant company so there isn't anything out there about it yet
15:34.30greycatchipmonk010: no, I meant "Don't ever run GNOME."
15:34.31Anthroasg,greycat: Oh, crap. Sorry. I was just going by the highest number in the URL.
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15:34.36greycatchipmonk010: but people are stubborn.
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15:34.58greycatAnthro: whoever did 199 is equally to blame.
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15:35.12chipmonk010greycat: lol i am considering moving away from gnome what do u use?
15:35.17greycatI use fvwm.
15:35.32Zero_Doggantgel: logfile: "Not using mode "1290x800" (no mode of this name)"
15:35.33minimecvaldyn: let's come bak to my first question: Is there a way to isolate the mpzilla-mplayer to avoid the dependency problem?
15:35.38sanxiyngreycat: What does FVWM stand for?
15:35.53epswe use gnome over a huge number of systems, there are no major problems with it.
15:36.04greycatasg: why are there spaces (undefined qotdnnn factoids)?  That makes it even worse... I thought we were using the qotdx factoid to list which ones were up for overwriting?
15:36.07epsso greycat, why is using a wm that works stubborn?
15:36.09asgsanxiyn: fucking virtual window manager
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15:36.16greycateps: gnome works?  since when?
15:36.22cahootfeeble?
15:36.26asggreycat: we are, others are not apparently.
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15:36.37epsgreycat gnome works.
15:36.39greycateps: last time I tried gnome was 2.0 and it was *SO* fucking broken that the maintainers didn't even want to LOOK at my bug report.
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15:37.03epsgreycat well nice work there, a version that is 0.12 behind and you still think that it is the same?
15:37.04chipmonk010gnome works great on stable but ne dist upgrade seems to break it...
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15:37.10greycateps: yes, I do.
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15:37.16epswe have been using gnome as the main vm since 2.2 (switched froma  bloated and shit kde)
15:37.18AnthroThere are two qotd2?
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15:37.22greycateps: see what chipmonk010 says.
15:37.24epsgreycat then you are pathetic
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15:37.38asgAnthro: my parsing script needs updating to deal with some new cruft that crept into the database dump.
15:37.54epschipmonk010 we using gnome (on debian based boxes) in woody, sarge, etch and sid stages without a problem
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15:38.02sanxiyneps: Some thinks GNOME is notoriously hard to build.
15:38.11Lee__greycat: it's pretty broken but still as stable as OS X or Windows so it is on pace with the competition  :)
15:38.14epssanxiyn I didn't suggest it wasn't
15:38.14greycateps: with an NFS mounted home directory, where the NFS server is NOT linux?
15:38.21asgAnthro: there are also dupes for 71 and 86
15:38.28greycateps: or do you only have home directories on local disks?
15:38.33antgelZero_Dogg: 1290 or 1280?
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15:38.48chipmonk010eps: did u build gnome before or after upgrading to sid/etch
15:38.51Zero_Doggantgel: 1289
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15:38.53Zero_Doggantgel: err
15:38.54epsgreycat not home directory, though our users and company directors are mapped inside /home/$usr
15:38.55greycatBUILD????
15:38.56Zero_Doggantgel: 1280
15:38.59greycatchipmonk010: you BUILT gnome??
15:39.00Anthroasg: qotd105
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15:39.24asgAnthro: yeah, I'll need to revisit things and re-architect the regexes. They are probably way too greedy at this point.
15:39.39epschipmonk010 we use the (stable) packages provided, and we have one box where we build (via jhbuild) new versions of gnome for testing (and for fun things like luminocity)
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15:39.47sanxiynchipmonk010: If you built GNOME by yourself (without using CVSGnome or Garnome), you get one madness point.
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15:40.07antgelZero_Dogg: why are you using the nvidia driver?
15:40.07chipmonk010greycat: no i didnt build it on debian, i should have said installed and what ver.
15:40.17greycat!dbugs 167524
15:40.21dpkgDONE:#167524:I[gconf2] gnome-panel: gconfd errors, panel not functional (possibly NFS related?); Sun, 3 Nov 2002 03:18:02 UTC
15:40.22sanxiynOh, jhbuild too.
15:40.23epschipmonk010 why not usre the packages provided - that is the point of a package based system
15:40.23asgAnthro: my script only updates nightly (just after the dumps go live. It should show up on my fortune file in 18 to 24 hours or so)
15:40.25Zero_Doggantgel: to get accleration
15:40.33Anthroasg: Keen.
15:40.42greycat"DONE" in this case means "WE WILL NOT FIX IT"
15:40.50epschipmonk010 we have a large selection of versions ranging from 2.4 to 2.10 (and one will be 2.12 tomorrow)
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15:41.03greycatHere is the entire response I received from them:  "seems not package problem but your system problem."
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15:41.18chipmonk010i am using the packages provided by apt but its breaking
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15:41.33greycatchipmonk010: then you know what to do.  BTS.
15:41.47epschipmonk010 I have yet to have a gnome package break... what are you trying to use? some thing from experimental?
15:41.56chipmonk010eps has it working on etch so im asking what packages he used or if he built it or what
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15:42.17epsI personally use gnome 2.10 on sid
15:42.20greycatchipmonk010: YOU are the unstable user.  YOU are the one who is supposed to report the problem.
15:42.25chris_Is there an rexec client for sarge?
15:42.28greycatit is not eps's responsibility to hand-hold you through unstable.
15:42.33eps(also kde 3.3 and xfce)
15:42.55greycatchris_: /msg dpkg search
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15:43.03dumezilanyone know about nls (national languages support) on debian?  specifically filesystem support?
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15:43.25gocciabest way to explain what is unstable : very good :)
15:43.26chipmonk010greycat: im just trying to figure out whether this is a common problem or what im not asking for "hand holding"
15:43.31epsif you use unstable (sid) you expect your system to break, if you don't then you are an idiot... testing (etch) should be reasonably safe but breakage my still occure, if you like newer versions of things use ubuntu
15:43.36greycatchipmonk010: then check the BTS
15:43.42epschipmonk010 it isn't common no
15:43.50tarzeaudumezil: yes you can load that, and samba works better then, sometimes
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15:44.17epsheh, I always have a ubuntu livecd at the ready for when sid breaks and I need my computer for some thing urgent :P
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15:44.47zaimHi is it possible to to point my MX record for my domain LalLa.com to mail.gmail.com
15:44.51dumeziltarzeau: samba works better than what?  i want to be able to use different character set in my filesystems.  for example i want to be able to name files using chinese characters
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15:44.56greycat!possible
15:44.57dpkgAnything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is.
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15:45.10tarzeaudumezil: better than samba that need nls without nls. but still the worse filesystem over network
15:45.20tarzeaudumezil: why can't you use shfs or nfs?
15:45.33epsI still want to know how gnome 2.12 is going in experimental... I want its juicey new features now! :P
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15:45.47greycatgnome juice.  Ewwww.
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15:45.55asggreycat: hah
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15:46.07epsyou okay there greycat :P
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15:46.15dumeziltarzeau: are we atlking about the same thing? im talking about language (chinese, greek, etc) support in the filesystem.  nothinga bout networking or anything
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15:46.20dumezilno nfs
15:46.23dumezilnot nfs
15:46.30greycateps: well, I keep coming back here, so one could argue I'm not mentally stable.
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15:46.38epschipmonk010 gnome shouldn't break, xfree -> x.org would possibly break, but the few dist-upgrades I've done gnome/kde/xfce have come through fine
15:46.39tarzeaudumezil: yes we're talking about the same thing
15:46.52epsgreycat I think you argue it well yourself :P
15:46.53epshehe
15:47.03dvsgreycat: insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
15:47.20epsso every one trying to help in this channel is insane?
15:47.22chipmonk010eps: strange...its only gnome tho, and alsa, kde gets loaded n works fine
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15:47.28tarzeaudumezil: i'd probably go for nls_utf8 ...
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15:47.35dumeziltarzeau: im confused...  all i want to do is to mount my local filesystems using nls support so that i can name files using not ascii characters
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15:47.48greycateps: the voices in my head tell me you're wrong.
15:47.50tarzeaudumezil: nothing with samba?
15:47.54dvs;-)
15:48.04epschipmonk010 what I'd do is remove gnome - kill all the config files - then reinstall it again
15:48.08Caelumyou can name files in ext3/reiser with whatever you want afaik
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15:48.13epsgreycat all of them, or just the majority?
15:48.16greycatCaelum: except / and \000
15:48.20dumeziltarzeau: no nothing with samba
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15:48.33Caelumheh
15:48.39streunereps: that's ok for now!
15:48.44tarzeaudumezil: ok sorry, you really never mentioned samba
15:48.52epsstreuner ?
15:48.57antgelZero_Dogg: do you need 3d accel?
15:48.57chipmonk010eps: i am using a 2.6.11 kernel i dono if that makes a dif, ill try that
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15:49.10greycatchipmonk010: you need 2.6.12 for sid's udev
15:49.11streunereps: believe what you want, those discussions are pretty pointless, don't they?
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15:49.26epschipmonk010 I didn't use 2.6.11, went from 2.6.8 to 2.6.12 (all the pc's we use gnome on are doing the same)
15:49.31Zero_Doggantgel: yup
15:49.36greycatchipmonk010: note that in the spirit of 2.6 fucking changing EVERYTHING without rhyme or reason, the kernel-image packages for 2.6.12+ are now called linux-image instead.
15:49.43chipmonk010greycat: yes i kno i installed it n still had the problem
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15:49.50chipmonk010im curently back on stable
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15:49.55viperhmmm are there some special things I need to know when I burn the sarge netboot iso ?? can`t get it burned ... tried it with 2 differents writers.. a bunch of different CD`s and with cdrecord and nero on windows..
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15:50.07tarzeaugreycat: there will be other kernel images that are not linux ..
15:50.08epsstreuner ... hmm
15:50.13epssleepy
15:50.15viperalso nero says it`s a foreign image and the blocks and stuff aren`t correct
15:50.26tarzeauviper: can you try with cdrecord?
15:50.27jethrogreycat: debian has other kernels than linux, that might explain the change.
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15:50.30chipmonk010greycat: my kernel is custom compiuled from source
15:50.32greycattarzeau: only for other arches, though, right?  isn't i386/hurd a different arch from i386?
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15:50.41vipertarzeau yea says it can`t fixate cdr
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15:50.46chris_artsbuilder: /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/22x22/actions/artsbuilderexecute.png
15:50.46chris_rsh-server: /etc/pam.d/rexec
15:50.46chris_python2.3: /usr/lib/python2.3/rexec.py
15:50.49chris_artsbuilder: /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/artsbuilderexecute.png
15:50.51chris_kdeartwork-theme-icon: /usr/share/icons/kdeclassic/22x22/actions/artsbuilderexecute.png
15:50.54chris_kdeartwork-theme-icon: /usr/share/icons/kdeclassic/16x16/actions/artsbuilderexecute.png
15:50.55dumezilis there a xwindows module manager?  like modconf, only for xwindows?
15:50.58asgchris_: stop it
15:50.59tarzeaugreycat: what command can i print the arch?
15:51.08asgtarzeau: arch
15:51.18greycattarzeau: *shrug*  I thought you would know.  I've never even looked at hurd beyong reading a few web pages.
15:51.33azeemgreycat: it's not a kernel in the first place :P
15:51.34greycatasg: that can't be right... it prints i686
15:51.42tarzeauasg: haha /bin/arch from util-linux
15:51.43asggreycat: sparc64
15:51.47asgtarzeau: ;)
15:51.53tarzeauasg: you think hurd or kfreebsd has something-linux ?
15:51.59greycatasg: but that's not the name of the arch that debian uses.
15:52.04asgtarzeau: it was a joke
15:52.10tarzeauasg: i knew about arch.. but tried on a machine non-linux...
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15:52.11jethroarch is the same as uname -m, so it'll vary depending on your kernel
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15:52.19Fox_1_tarzeau: hello, how are you?
15:52.19asggreycat: I know, I was joking with him
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15:52.42tarzeauFox_1_: drugged
15:52.48greycatlooks like "dpkg --print-architecture" is the right answer
15:52.49greycatmaybe.
15:53.04azeemusing dpkg-architecture is preferred I think
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15:53.35Fox_1_tarzeau: what about gnustep translation?
15:53.39antgelZero_Dogg: i googled 1280x800 debian. first link was http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg00209.html. i think you should do a little more research?
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15:53.48tarzeauFox_1_: i sent you an email, and you didn't reply. did you not get the mail?
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15:53.53jethrogreycat: heh
15:53.56Zero_Doggantgel: I've done some now, added Modeline "1280x800"  84  1280 1344 1480 1680  800 801 804 828 - which appears to work
15:53.57zaimCaelum are you from bigpond
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15:54.04greycatthanks dvs
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15:54.09dvsno prob
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15:54.33asg07:30 < bob2> so I may explode or implode without warning
15:54.42asglooks like there's a lot of that going on today
15:54.44_andreashi guys! I want Debian, and I want "the bleeding edge" (i.e. unstable). However, I find the debian pages rather confusing; should I just download a daily sid iso or?
15:54.44zaimlol
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15:54.56asg_andreas: /msg dpkg sid faq
15:54.56antgelZero_Dogg: great. /msg dpkg modeline, aptitude install videogen
15:55.02greycat_andreas: install sarge, then `upgrade' it
15:55.04antgel_andreas: install sarge and upgrade
15:55.17greycathmm, I should've used "upgrade"
15:55.36Zero_Doggantgel: thanks :)
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15:55.49asggreycat: been doing TeX today?
15:55.55greycatasg: nroff.
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15:56.04beardy_andreas: start with sarge
15:56.10_andreasthanks guys :)
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15:58.01darkness1Hi, i'm trying to mount another hdd onto sarge. I've edited fstab with /dev/hda1 (hda1) being my windows ntfs file-sys drive.Yet it doesn't work???
15:58.03WillRHey all.... quick question.. i have debian set up ona bunch of workstations and Xfce4 on them.. i want them to be able to print form the network printer which is a windows XP machine.. rahter than add windows network sharing in the kernel for 16 machiens can i install soemthing on the windows machine to make that work???
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15:58.16_andreasaha
15:58.21greycat!doesn't work
15:58.21dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
15:58.23_andreasthat faq cleared things up
15:58.26_andreasthanks a bunch guys :)
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15:58.32OmHey, how can I take my network interface out of promiscuous mode? ifconfig shows "PROMISC"
15:58.32matthewjUnstable is where the good apt packages are..like php5 and rails.
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15:58.44darkness1greycat: the file sys hda1 isn't mounted
15:58.44OmPreferably without restarting the interface.
15:58.48greycatOm: stop running ntop, or ethereal, or tcpdump, or whatever.
15:58.56antgelOm: man ifconfig
15:58.57greycatdarkness1: what error do you get?
15:59.09chipmonk010Willr: that can be done with samba i beleive
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15:59.47Omgreycat, that's what I thought at first but I can't see anything running that would be doing it.
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16:00.00dumezildoes ext3 support nls?
16:00.01WillR(chipmonk010): i will google.. thx
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16:00.19greycatdumezil: ISO-8859-1 works.  dunno about your chinese/greek.
16:00.21antgelOm: stop getting pwned
16:00.23zerve_the_deathhi all i have problem with my Geforce graphics card im just install the sarge 3.1 for amd64 and i run xorg any help?
16:00.25Caelumzaim: nope, what's bigpond?
16:00.30greycatOm: maybe your NIC is just a slut.
16:00.33chipmonk010Willr: theres a guide to do in the ubuntu hoary forums im sure it would work for debian
16:00.33Omantgel, thanks...
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16:00.53dm1trihi all
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16:00.59zaimCaelum chatserver.. Just the same name as a operator on there
16:01.00antgelOm: just to clarify, you thanking me for the serious or sarcastic suggestion?
16:01.06dm1triis there a gnome 2.12 mirror for apt?
16:01.14Caelumzaim: ahh
16:01.15abrotman!info gnome-panel sid
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16:01.18dpkggnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 363 kB, Installed size: 860 kB
16:01.19greycatdm1tri: not yet.
16:01.26Omantgel, both. The first worked and the second was mildly amusing ;-)
16:01.30CaelumOm: make sure you don't have ntop installed
16:01.35dm1trigraycat: so its still on 2.8?
16:01.45dumezilgreycat: when i try and use the codepage option when trying to mount a drive, dmesg spits out unrecognized option codepage.  makes me think ext3 doesn't support the codepage option of mount (ie how to use nls)
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16:01.46antgelOm: all good :)
16:01.48darkness1greycat: if i type mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /hdd .... i get mount point does not exist?
16:02.06antgeldumezil: syntax error
16:02.08OmCaelum, I thik I have libntop or something installed, is that in itself bad?
16:02.16antgeldarkness1: ls /hdd?
16:02.16greycatdumezil: codepage is under "Mount options for fat"
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16:02.22greycatext3 != fat.
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16:02.25chipmonk010willr: check this out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32190
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16:02.34asghmmm, looks like sarge's squid has a memory leak
16:02.37dumezilwell hell
16:02.41greycateven the DESCRIPTION for codepage says it's only for FAT and VFAT.
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16:02.46CaelumOm: doubtful
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16:03.02darkness1ls /hdd = no such file or dir.
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16:03.19greycatdarkness1: mkdir /hdd
16:03.20OmAnyway, no ntop - must have been thinking of somethin else.
16:03.23CaelumOm: does it change the status if you do ifconfig eth0 -promisc ?
16:03.26greycatdarkness1: then, mount /hdd
16:03.27zerve_the_deathdarkness1, you dont have that directory
16:03.28cratoshow can I get an multifunction USB device ( SmardCard reader & drive ) in an state so I see all functions, not the drive only?
16:03.41OmCaelum, that's what I did, and it worked.
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16:03.45OmWell, eth1.
16:04.02CaelumOm: does it come back after a while?
16:04.02DarxusE: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be installed
16:04.02Darxushow do I get a list of the packages I've done "aptitude hold" on ?
16:04.02zerve_the_deathhi all i have problem with my Geforce graphics card im just install the sarge 3.1 for amd64 and i run xorg any help?
16:04.12OmIt hasn't come back yet.
16:04.22chris_Is there an rexec client for sarge? It wasn't the int rsh-client package
16:04.23darkness1Greycat: I now get the error: fs type etx2 not supported by kernel?
16:04.28CaelumOm: also, check your syslog, see where it says "eth1 entered promiscuous mode" and see what's around it
16:04.37greycatdarkness1: man mount
16:04.38asgzerve_the_death: you might check with #debian-amd64 first to see if there are some specific issues related to amd64.
16:04.41greycatdarkness1: read it SLOOOOOWLY.
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16:04.55darkness1greycat: okay.
16:04.57zerve_the_deaththanks asg
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16:05.03dumezilok lets drop the codepage thing (cause im an idiot and can't read that codepage is a fat option).  is there a way to support chinese character filenames on an ext3 filesystem?
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16:05.09Caelumchris_: use ssh
16:05.30Caelumdumezil: yes
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16:05.49greycatchris_: stop asking.  /msg dpkg search
16:05.51Caelumdumezil: maybe look around the debian-chinese archives
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16:05.56greycatchris_: if you can't find it, then WE sure as fuck can't either.
16:06.03OmCaelum, only thing that looks even vaugely relavent was about perl using an depreceated socket flag.
16:06.03greycatnot that we care enough to try.
16:06.15OmI won't worry about it unless it happens again.
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16:06.22CaelumOm: *nod*
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16:07.30cratoshow can I get an multifunction USB device ( SmardCard reader & drive ) in an state so I see all functions, not the drive only?
16:07.42antgel!tell zerve_the_death about ask
16:07.55antgelzerve_the_death: if you're using sarge, how and why are you using xorg?
16:07.59Zero_Dogghow can I find out which debian package contains a certain file?
16:08.00Darxushow do I do the equivalent of "dpkg --get-selections" with aptitude ?
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16:08.04zOapis there a nice gui for wireless tools?
16:08.09greycatZero_Dogg: for some video cards, xorg works MUCH better.
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16:08.15antgel!tell Zero_Dogg about search
16:08.19ke6isfZero_Dogg: apt-file, I've been told.
16:08.21greycatZero_Dogg: there's a backport that's recommended in /topic
16:08.31Zero_Dogggreycat: Thanks, I'll have a look at it
16:08.44me_hereis a spec like "deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable main contrib non-free" invalid ?
16:08.46greycatoops... Zero_Dogg, I meant to address antgel.
16:08.56antgelgreycat: no you didn't
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16:09.07greycatantgel> zerve_the_death: if you're using sarge, how and why are you using xorg?
16:09.29ke6isfhmm, that's why apt-file doesn't work for me. Figures.
16:09.35antgelgreycat: are you telling me that he's using that backport?
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16:09.44greycatI have no idea.
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16:10.01antgelgreycat: shall we draw a line under this conversation?  :P
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16:10.55K_Dallashi guys! is riserfs4 totally rejected in debian?
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16:11.10streuner!filesystems
16:11.10dpkgJournaling filesystems in a nutshell:  <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs.  slow but reliable: ext3.  fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs.  medium speed, probably reliable: jfs.  unknown, probably buggy: reiser4.  If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/
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16:11.29K_Dallasthanks streuner
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16:11.57stewK_Dallas: apt-cache search reiser4
16:12.08streunersomebody said 'JFS' should be really good
16:12.11me_hereis a spec like "deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable main contrib non-free" invalid ? or why sould aptitude fail with "not in gzip format" in sarge stable (net-release cd ) and not when mounted from a woody 3.0 cd ?
16:12.23K_Dallasthanks stew, my debian box is down frot he moment but will do whn i set it up
16:12.29greycatme_here: /topic
16:12.38greycatme_here: specifically the last part.
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16:12.53OmHow can I check what driver my pcmcia wireless card is using? (Trying to configure kismet)
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16:12.56K_Dallasstreuner, never tried JFS, only ext and reiserfs
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16:13.38K_Dallasstreuner, i am looking for a FS which is pretty fast vis a vis big files manipulation
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16:14.02gfdudabye
16:14.08ke6isfK_Dallas: By the looks of it, xfs may be the way to go.
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16:14.12ke6isf!tell K_Dallas -about xfs
16:14.24K_Dallasthanks ke6isf , will try it
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16:14.39ke6isfK_Dallas: also ask the bot about jfs.
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16:14.58K_Dallas(Q: can i make reiserfs for my root and jfs for isntance for /user?)
16:15.04ke6isfK_Dallas: FWIW, I'm running reiser.  No problems so far *knocks on wood*....
16:15.12K_Dallas:)
16:15.15dvsK_Dallas: Why not?
16:15.16zerve_the_deathlol
16:15.18K_Dallascool
16:15.24antgelK_Dallas: no reason why not afaik
16:15.29greycatWHY would you want your root fs to be reiser?
16:15.31K_Dallasi see, thanks guys
16:15.37ke6isfK_Dallas: Your bootable partition for some reason can't be reiser.
16:15.45K_Dallasgreycat, i have never had problems with reiser either
16:15.46valdynsure it can be reiser
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16:15.48greycatke6isf: probably grub can't read it?
16:15.50K_Dallasi see!
16:15.56ke6isfgreycat: Seems to be the issue.
16:16.06K_Dallasi meant reiserfs
16:16.08valdyngrub can read it
16:16.09ke6isfvaldyn: You've gotten a reiser partition to boot?  How?
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16:16.29toad___ke6isf: even lilo can read reiserfs
16:16.30ke6isfgreycat: Doesn't matter, since I have /boot as an ext2 part. =^^=
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16:16.45toad___# sshfs matthew@dodo.freenetproject.org:/home/matthew /root/mnt -r -d
16:16.48toad___fusermount: mount failed: Invalid argument
16:16.51toad___why?
16:16.51greycatke6isf: ah.
16:16.55valdynke6isf: like any other partition that is supported by grub, except for the fact that the notail  option is required to be safe
16:17.06greycattoad___: lack of kernel support?
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16:17.11valdynke6isf: d-i will add that automatically
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16:17.17toad___greycat: fuse is in /proc/filesystems
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16:17.29ke6isfvaldyn: That's probably why it wouldn't work on install.  File it away for later use.  Thanks.
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16:20.10trymggunf unf
16:20.35asgvlherg?
16:20.51matthewjWhat file do I edit to remove startup services?
16:20.53antgeltrym: what?
16:21.04streunermatthewj: man update-rc.d
16:21.07antgelmatthewj: what exactly do you want to do?
16:21.08asgmatthewj: rm symlinks in /etc/rcX.d or use update-rc.d or rcconf
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16:21.25matthewjI want apache2 and a few other services to not automatically start when I boot the system.
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16:21.37antgelcan we clear something up? i thought update-rc.d waas only for use in package scripts. is that not the case?
16:21.38stewmatthewj: rcconf
16:21.39greycatmatthewj: rm /etc/rc*.d/S*apache2
16:21.39zOapnoone knows of any wireless gui tools?
16:21.47antgelmatthewj: what streuner said, and /msg dpkg runlevels
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16:21.58asgzOap: xterm -e man 7 wireless
16:22.02matthewjThanks guys. VERY helpful.
16:22.03valdynantgel: its not a good way since the symlinks will be restored on next package update
16:22.18antgelgreycat: i swear if we cut you, you'd bleed slackware
16:22.29greycatantgel: not a chance.
16:22.41zOapasg, thanks man
16:23.16antgelvaldyn: aha. i just got flamed on d-u for pointing that out and the guy stated that it was recommended in the securing howto. i'll try to find a link.
16:23.33greycatantgel: but it's just daft to use update-rc.d interactively.  It's equivalent to asking "Hmm.. what's the update-rc.d syntax for rm /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm?"
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16:24.46greycatantgel: I'm inclined to test it and find out.
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16:24.58greycatQuick, someone name a useless service that's got its own package.
16:25.06zOapasg, but ifupdown isn't a gui tool. But I guess what you're trying to tell me is that there isn't one, besides what each distro provide?
16:25.07antgel!someone
16:25.07dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
16:25.10antgel:P
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16:26.22stewgreycat: festival
16:26.30asgzOap: netapplet maybe. apt-cache search
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16:26.40stewthat, at least is the the most useless link in rc2.d for me
16:26.44greycatQuick, someone name a small and useless service that's got its own package.
16:26.57zOapasg, thnxk
16:26.58antgelvaldyn: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/09/msg01382.html.  don't worry, i have flamed back.  :)
16:27.14antgelgreycat: telnet?
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16:27.51greycatantgel: *sigh* i was afraid of that.  oh well, at least the box is firewalled.
16:28.03greycatoh wait... that's not a standalone service.
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16:28.25stewgreycat: read /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton :)
16:28.30antgelgreycat: i don't know why i didn't think of this before.  F...T...P!!!!
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16:28.52greycatthis box already has an ftpd on it.
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16:29.05greycatand it's not standalone
16:29.32Miazmatici can't seem to get giFTcurs working... i launch giftd with -d, but then when i launch giftcurs, it shows 0 users, 0 shares. in fact it does this regardless of whether giftd is running or not
16:29.32antgelgreycat: but you hate ftp. i'm so disappointed
16:29.38asggreycat: talkd
16:30.07Anthroasg: Isn't talkd run by inetd?
16:30.17Anthrogreycat: stunnel4?
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16:30.25asgAnthro: stunnel is very useful though
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16:30.38Anthroasg: Well, yes. But it's small and standalone.
16:30.41greycattalkd is inetd-driven.
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16:31.36Zero_DoggI installed xfont-terminus, however it doesn't appear to be available in any programs. How can I make it available?
16:31.47me_hereis lists.debian.org good for a normal user ? i don't know if i should subscribe that's it!
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16:32.53oracelhi, the "testing" netinstall can't seem to be able to autodetect my ethernet card (broadcom 4400). What do I do? (this worked fine with ubuntu hoary)
16:32.55MortalmanWhat's the problem with inetd?
16:32.56greycatme_here: there are many lists on lists.debian.org.
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16:33.18greycatMortalman: we wanted to find out whether upgrading a package restores missing (intentionally deleted) rc*.d/S* symlinks.
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16:33.33me_hereZero_Dogg: prolly you need to restart Xserver or xfs (xfontserver)
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16:33.44antgelgreycat: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/09/msg01374.html
16:33.48antgellater all
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16:33.51greycatoracel: try loading the driver yourself (tg3 or whatever)
16:33.56greycatoracel: try both kernels.
16:33.57Mortalmangreycat: Why not uninstall, then upgrade?
16:34.13greycatMortalman: because we don't CARE about that case.
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16:34.24enkravHI, how can I turn x off and on in debian? surprisingly, init 3 and init 5 didn't work as I expected.
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16:34.47Mortalmangreycat: I must have missed a large segment of this convo. heh
16:34.52Anthroenkrav: Do you use gdm, kdm, xdm, or something else?
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16:35.00me_hereenkrav: if you have gdm just start it or kdm or xdm whatever!
16:35.02enkravgdm
16:35.12Mortalmanenkrav: killall gdm
16:35.17Zero_Doggme_here: I've restarted and tried both, no go
16:35.31steworacel: the sarge installer's kenrel had tg3 support removed, /msg dpkg custom d-i
16:35.33Anthroenkrav: You can either just issue /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or start, as appropriate), or you can change the links for the runlevels.
16:35.42me_hereenkrav: else you should add gdm or any to your wished runlevel (prolly through sysvconfig or so)
16:35.54enkravok! thanks
16:36.02Anthroenkrav: If you are going to mess with runlevels, I recommend sysv-rc-conf.
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16:36.11greycatantgel: does update-rc.d do something more than simply removing the symlink?  as I said a few minutes back, the symlink was NOT restored when I dpkg -i'd the package.
16:36.13asgstew: it works for some tg3 supported cards, not others (i.e. my dell latitude d600 has no problem, our HS20 blade servers do.)
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16:36.28stewasg: what driver do they use in 2.6.8-2?
16:36.29Mortalmanstew: Sarge has Tg3 removed?  I'm curious how I pulled off a net install.
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16:36.37GNUbielechristel@freenode/staff/christel is a corrupt staff member. she sets modes on the staff social channel after some kids request it. just for the matter of personal motivated reasons. do you all support such a network?
16:36.56asgstew: tg3
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16:37.36Anthrogreycat: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d is a 207-line perl script. I sure hope it does something more than add/remove symlinks.
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16:38.04stewasg: find /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/ -name "tg3.ko" | wc -l  => 0 ; what am i doing wrong then?
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16:39.25Mortalmanstew: find /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386 | grep tg3
16:39.30greycatAnthro: looks like it's just a big verbose wrapper around symlink() and unlink().
16:40.04Anthrogreycat: Hmph. It should not take 200 lines to do just that. But I may be overestimating perl.
16:40.05greycat!find tg3.ko sarge
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16:40.26dpkgDebian Search of 'tg3.ko' (4 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7-smp/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7-smp.
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16:41.48greycatantgel: so... this matthew lenz guy... is he lying?  or did he do something other than what I did?
16:42.18greycator is it just "a bug in the apache-perl package" as suggested later in the thread?
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16:43.04Shift|Is it possible to install debian to a thumbdrive? If so, how big does the thumbdrive need to be?
16:43.32MortalmanShift|: Good question ,but how would you boot it?
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16:43.58asgMortalman: some newer bios can boot of a thumbdrive
16:43.58dvsShift|: They have a USB installler.
16:43.59Shift|Mortalman: Modern computers support booting from USB-ZIP drives.
16:44.14dvsShift|: Not a full-fledged Debian install though
16:44.25Shift|dvs: I'm looking for a full-fledged install.
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16:46.55bamrnn, the command line util mysql_setpermission is the way i always use
16:47.00carrambahello
16:47.23carrambaI'd like to ask about Xorg packages + nvidia video drivers
16:47.43carrambaafter apt-get dist-upgrade Xorg refuses to start
16:47.45ulughbeghhow do i fix firestarter
16:48.01carrambareinstalling nvidia drivers help
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16:48.20stew< Mortalman> stew: find /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386 | grep tg3  <-- this returns nothing too.  wierd
16:48.25greycatsmells like you used the upstream nvidia driver installer.
16:48.27chealcarramba: reinstalling? you didn't use nvidia.com's installer, did you?
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16:48.43greycatstew: how about "locate tg3"?
16:48.46carrambagreycat/cheal - yep, nvidia drivers installer
16:48.52greycatcarramba: that's why.
16:49.07cheal!tell carramba about nvidia-installer
16:49.16stewgreycat: finds the 2.6.12 version
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16:49.22_pitombera_Hi
16:49.24Mortalmanstew: When was the last time you dd a fsck?  That would be the first thing I'd do if certain files just came up missing.
16:49.31greycatstew: that's bizarre.
16:49.42oracelhey, er
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16:49.52greycatstew: how about "dpkg -L kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 | grep tg3"?
16:50.08stewMortalman: i don't think files just went missing, i think the d-i i used had the driver removed.  i know for sure that the tg3 driver was removed from some debian kernels until it was relicensed
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16:50.15patriciusI am using gdm and I don't know how to start some applications on login. I've changed ~/.xsession even /etc/gdm/Sessions and it still does not work. Help!
16:50.22oracel"The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)."
16:50.23greycatstew: what version of kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 is it?
16:50.35oracelwhat to do
16:50.39stewuh
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16:51.01stewhrm dpkg doesn't seem to think i have a 2.6.8-2 installed
16:51.05carrambacheal/greycat: thank you. so I think I have 3 choices: use debian way (installer in package), reinstall every time and ... can I do anything else by hand? add /dev/* or sth?
16:51.13_pitombera_oracel: what do u did?
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16:51.39Mortalmanstew: so install it. heh
16:51.39oracel_pitombera_ attempt to install debian :)
16:51.47_pitombera_hum...
16:52.02_pitombera_relax... my english is not good
16:52.07_pitombera_but i try help u
16:52.22_pitombera_oracel: when this happened?
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16:53.10chealcarramba: you don't have to mess with devices manually
16:53.34_pitombera_what kind of device?
16:53.39oracel_pitombera_ when I was about to install the base system
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16:54.03chealcarramba: I don't know of 3 choices. you have the choice to mess your system with nvidia.com's installer, or to install the proper [Debian] way
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16:54.32carrambacheal: ok, thank you
16:54.35_pitombera_oracel: you verify the integrity of your CD?
16:54.46_pitombera_do u check with a mds5sum?
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16:55.07_pitombera_maybe the problem is the CD
16:55.53sgeigerbotIs there a way to use a floppy to boot up a system to the point that it can read an ISO image and then continue the boot from the ISO image?
16:55.53kart_Is there any kind of update cds for Debian Sarge?
16:56.04chealkart_: not yet
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16:56.37chealsgeigerbot: perhaps you should look at the floppy stuff on the netinst CD
16:56.38kart_cheal, I have no internet connection at home!
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16:57.04sgeigerbotcheal: ok.
16:57.37oracelhow do I md5sum it
16:57.42sgeigerbotcheal: good point.  I was actually wondering whether there exists a more general solution.  This way you could use *any* iso you wanted.
16:58.00chealsgeigerbot: ah...sorry, no idea
16:58.07_pitombera_oracel: in the mirror where you get... usually have a md5sum... check this
16:58.26sgeigerbotcheal: oh, btw, this system doesn't have a CD drive...so I think the netinstall with floppies wouldn't work.
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16:58.39_pitombera_oracel: do u have other OS in your PC?
16:58.47chealkart_: well, at least then you're free from the vast majority of security threats, which is about the only thing that sarge updates address
16:59.05chealsgeigerbot: oh, ISO on HDD...I see
16:59.13sgeigerbotcheal: right.
16:59.23sgeigerbotDoes grub allow one to boot from an ISO?
16:59.24Belboz99hey, I've got a problem.  I upgraded to sid and now apt won't install anything because it doesn't have the latest kernel.  Problem is, I can't even upgrade the kernel because apt is fubared
16:59.28doisgeigerbot: hd-media booot floppy will do the work for you!
17:00.04doisgeigerbot: place the .iso at any place on hd and boot with this floppy
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17:00.27_pitombera_Belboz99: do u change ther mirrors?
17:00.30_pitombera_the*
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17:00.55stewBelboz99: how are you trying to upgrade your kernel?
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17:01.16sgeigerbotdoi: where is that floppy!?
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17:01.17sgeigerbot:-)
17:01.20kart_cheal, :-)
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17:02.00doisgeigerbot: look at the debian installer pages. it is called hd-media
17:02.02gin_cant the floppy's read FAT format ?
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17:02.39_pitombera_gin_ why not?
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17:03.05gin__pitombera_, the mine not read, i have mounted into, /media/floppy and dont scan
17:03.30sgeigerbotdoi: perhaps this is it: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz
17:03.32_pitombera_mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy?
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17:03.55Belboz99_pitombera, I did change the mirrors to upgrade to sid, should I change them back?
17:03.55doisgeigerbot: what it the size of this gz ?
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17:04.14sgeigerbotdoi: wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz
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17:04.17donaldIs it possible, that there is no security update for squid in woody (oldstable) ?
17:04.18Belboz99stew, both compiling from scratch and by using apt with a pre-compiled package
17:04.22gin_yes
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17:04.35sgeigerbotdoi: 7.9MB
17:04.36Belboz99sorry guys, I had to answer the damn phone
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17:04.59doisgeigerbot: i think there should be linux and initrd.gz in that path
17:05.08stewBelboz99: what happens when you try to apt-get a kernel?
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17:05.34yarkoif I have a debian repository structured with debarchiver (so  it is close to ftp.debian organization): what is the easiest way to propagate a package from unstable to testing? (I can write bash 1 liner) but I thought there might be official way
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17:05.44Belboz99stew, it tells me that I have dependancies that require a newer kernel
17:05.45Lee__is there a package to install the mime.magic file?
17:05.51_pitombera_Belboz99: i don't know man
17:05.51doisgeigerbot: I made a mistake. This is the boot loader to boot the d-i directly from disk without floppy
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17:06.22doisgeigerbot: but this worked for me. becuase my floppy is broken. an i havent a cd rom either
17:06.24sgeigerbotdoi: it works only on the debian installer?  So, if I have a debian-installer ISO on the hard drive it will boot that?
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17:06.35doisgeigerbot: yes
17:06.55sgeigerbotdoi: cool.  Is that on the debian installer CD by any chance?
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17:07.03gnat_xcan anyone point me in the direction of a good place to look for running a sarge server with postfix, squirrelmail, and spamassassin in happy cohabitation?
17:07.07doisgeigerbot: no
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17:07.14Belboz99stew, you have any ideas?
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17:07.58doisgeigerbot: place linux and initrd.gz and the d-i.iso on hd. put linux and initr.gz into grub or lilo, and boot
17:08.01Belboz99maybe if I piont my sources list back to Sarge?
17:08.17stewBelboz99: paste the actual error into #flood or use paster (don't paste here)
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17:08.37sgeigerbotdoi: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Booting_from0.shtml
17:08.50sgeigerbotdoi: it seems to work with netinst, too
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17:08.57doisgeigerbot: yes
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17:09.32doisgeigerbot: I have tried both. But for netinst you have to setup apache or have internet connection
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17:09.51_pitombera_Belboz99: please repeat your question...
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17:09.52doisgeigerbot: apache on another box of cause
17:09.56_pitombera_what do u want
17:09.57_pitombera_?
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17:10.25Belboz99stew, do you have a URL to a good paster?
17:10.46stewBelboz99: /whois paster
17:10.59stew_pitombera_: he doens't have to repeat it, use /lastlog Belboz99
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17:11.24fkenhello! where are the logs of xorg ?
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17:11.41stewfken: /var/log/
17:11.42Mortalman!dpkg log
17:11.42dpkgYeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood!  It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!"
17:11.49_pitombera_stew: thanx
17:12.04oracel_pitombera_ sorry about my slow and few-worded replies, I've been in the phone
17:12.12oracelyes, I do have a secondary os (WinXP)
17:12.17fkenstew:thank you
17:12.21_pitombera_oracel: don't have problems man
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17:12.49_pitombera_anybody to teacher english for me?
17:12.50_pitombera_hehehehehehe
17:13.14Belboz99okay stew, I pasted it in #paster
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17:13.50_pitombera_blootbot is a kind of eggdrop?
17:13.57Belboz99I don't think that's what I was supposed to do, but I think it will work :P
17:14.12stewBelboz99: no, paster the bot, /whois paster ; http://channels.debian.net/paste/
17:14.26fkenstew: are you the one who ask me to show my xorg.log files ?
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17:14.41stew_pitombera_: not an eggdrop.  blootbot based on infobot
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17:14.49stewfken: i don't think so
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17:15.13fkenstew: maybe it was abrotman...
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17:15.19_pitombera_my english... is sux?
17:15.40proghello all
17:15.50fkenprog:hello
17:16.10_pitombera_hello worls =]
17:16.12_pitombera_ops
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17:16.19Belboz99stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/703
17:16.30abrotmanit was?
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17:16.52Belboz99and stew, I'll give you what it spit out when I tried the reccommended command
17:16.53stewBelboz99: did you run apt-get -f install?
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17:17.00progi have little question connected with building custom package,,,how can i find out configure options of some package ? iam going to build own cyrus21-imapd but i need every prefixes and so on.
17:17.19Skajacan some that is using linux if there is a S30setserial file in debian please
17:17.19fkenabrotman: it was about my xorg log
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17:17.30abrotmanwhat about it ?
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17:18.02ke6isf!tell Skaja -about ask
17:18.08aikonhi @ all
17:18.22fkenabrotman:i dobnt remember if it was you who asked them to me last nigth
17:18.24Belboz99stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/704
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17:18.30ke6isfprog: You can find out by reading the appropriate documentation.
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17:18.43abrotmanfken: ok .. i have no idea what you're tlaking about or what problem you're trying to solve :)
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17:19.07progke6isf,what documentation ? could you advice me ?
17:19.07Belboz99I need a new kernel in order to install a new kernel, :-X
17:19.21_pitombera_fken: what have you xorg log?
17:19.22fkenabrotman: video card not found -> vesa mode activated ; nv drivers dont work
17:19.23ke6isf!rtfm prog
17:19.36abrotmanfken: lspci | grep VGA
17:19.37_pitombera_Belboz99: dowload ther source and compile man
17:19.43fken_pitombera_: what?
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17:20.03Skaja0ok does does debian have the S30setserial file
17:20.05fken0000:05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0141(rev a2)
17:20.09progke6isf, thanks
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17:20.22Belboz99_pitombera, tried that.  Even the kernel-package wouldn't install
17:20.31ke6isfprog: Courier has documentation.  If you can't find it, google.
17:20.36Belboz99I can't get anything to install in apt
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17:20.46_pitombera_fken abrotman: it was about my xorg log
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17:20.54ke6isfprog: Wait, make that cyrus.  Still, the same applies.
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17:20.58ke6isffark, I need more coffee.
17:21.02abrotman_pitombera_: what?
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17:21.10abrotmanfken: update-pciids
17:21.15ke6isfBelboz99: Why not?
17:21.16abrotmanhow did i get dragged in ?
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17:21.32ke6isfabrotman: Guilt by association. =^_^=
17:21.33progke6isf, i do not need documentation of it, i need all options which was used in building original debian package
17:21.58Belboz99ke6isf, I upgraded to Sid, and i've got some dependancies on practically everything that require a new kernel
17:22.08fkenabrotman: done
17:22.12stewBelboz99: oh wait
17:22.24Skaja0ok does does debian have the S30setserial file
17:22.25stewBelboz99: you are trying to install 2.6.11 but udev requres 2.6.12
17:22.28abrotmanfken: lspci | grep VGA
17:22.34stewBelboz99: what happens when you try to install 2.6.12?
17:22.46_pitombera_how don't install Belboz99 ? what the erro msg?
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17:22.49fkenstew: but maybe are you the one who adviced me to test memory with memtest86?
17:22.51ke6isfBelboz99: OK, get a new kernel and install via dpkg.
17:22.56Belboz99stew, I was hoping to use one compiled for the K7
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17:23.06ke6isfBelboz99: Other than that, for lack of experience in Sid, I fold.
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17:23.08stewBelboz99: of course
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17:23.21fkenabrotman: OH YESSSS! I love you guy !
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17:23.29fkenabrotman : hum hum sorry
17:23.36abrotmanfken: you stay  on your side of the channel!
17:23.37_pitombera_hehehehe
17:23.40fken0000:05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] (rev a2)
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17:23.53fkenand now? it will work ?
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17:23.58Belboz99oh hey, there is one stew :)
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17:24.13stewBelboz99: linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 iirc
17:24.18Skaja!tell skaja about the S30setserial file
17:24.27Skaja!tell skaja about the S30setserial
17:24.32Belboz99sorry stew, no go :(
17:24.36stewfken: i don't recall, what is the problem you are trying to solve?
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17:24.37stewBelboz99: why?
17:24.39abrotmanfken: you need either nv or nvidia driver
17:24.40Skaja!tell skaja about S30setserial
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17:24.44Belboz99same problem stew
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17:24.46Skajacrap
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17:24.55Belboz99it needs the new kernel before it can install the new kernel
17:24.59_pitombera_Belboz99: what the meaning of stew?
17:25.02stewBelboz99: no it doesn't
17:25.05ke6isf!tell Skaja -about msg the bot
17:25.06fkenabrotman : i need openGL so lets try nvidia
17:25.22ke6isfSkaja: What are you trying to do?  That file is invariably a symlink to something used for boot purposes.
17:25.26abrotmanfken: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner
17:25.30Belboz99stew, should I repoint my sources.list back to Sarge?
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17:25.39stewBelboz99: no, you cannot
17:25.44stewBelboz99: remove the 2.6.11 package
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17:25.46Belboz99oh, dam
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17:25.51fkenabrotman: please can you explain me what you just adviced me to do with the  update-pciids command ?
17:26.05abrotman!update-pciids
17:26.08oracelnah, this "testing" netinstall definently isn't working
17:26.09Skajai know i need to know if its in debian before i install it ... its for my modem install
17:26.10abrotman!pciids
17:26.11dpkgmethinks pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device"
17:26.18oracelI always get the same error, debootstrap exited with an error
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17:26.52stewBelboz99: maybe post your sources.list while we are at it
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17:27.09fkenabrotman : because of a manual installation of alsa, module assistant keep on writting me Warning, /usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.9b seems to contain
17:27.09fken<PROTECTED>
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17:27.27ke6isfSkaja: Unless you're running a winmodem, Debian should have no problem with it.
17:27.27fkenoups sory all i thought it was on one line
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17:27.45abrotmanfken: don't install alsa that way?
17:27.48ke6isfOh well.
17:28.23paoloi have testing installed and i notice a lot of broken dependencies, is it quite normal, or maybe is a problem of my pc (many are with gcc 4.0 and xorg...)
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17:28.34engxine help
17:28.36fkenabrotman: its too late : i did that : but anyway it learnt me what was the problem with my sound card
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17:28.44abrotmanok
17:28.57beardy!tell eng about ask
17:29.06fkenabrotman:anyway ive a problem with nvidia-glx : not existing package
17:29.09engthanks
17:29.15abrotmanfken: contrib
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17:29.25engI can't speak english
17:29.31Belboz99okay, just a word of warning, I really don't know if I edited the sources.list properly.  http://channels.debian.net/paste/705
17:29.35engsory
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17:29.43paoloeng: what language?
17:29.44beardyeng: Which language do you speak?
17:29.53fkenabrotman: ive contrib but dont forget ive amd64 too
17:29.55engI turkish
17:30.01oracelcan I upgrade from sarge to testing and sid?
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17:30.19ke6isf!tr
17:30.19dpkgtrke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif
17:30.25paoloeng: fançais?
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17:30.35engxine-check
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17:30.47fkenstew: i have black screen when i tried to use nv or nvidia drivers
17:30.53ke6isf!tell eng -about tr
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17:31.07engYour X server doesn't supoort YV12 overlays
17:31.11paoloeng: join #debian.tr
17:31.12fkenpaolo:what's wrong with french ?
17:31.21engI use debian
17:31.27petykoohi
17:31.30paoloFreak, i asked eng if he speaks french
17:31.38ke6isfeng: /j #debian.tr
17:31.41stewfken: oh, now i remember, last time i think you hadn't yet tried the nv driver with xorg iirc
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17:31.49fkenpaolo: why? he said he was turkish
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17:32.12stewfken: but that doesn't matter becuase you said you needed 3d support anyway
17:32.15fkenstew: and yesterday i tried ... crash !
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17:32.22paolofken, because maybe he do know french....
17:32.35stewfken: and i assume that you have been fed the nvidia one-liner a bazillion times already
17:32.35fkenpaolo: are you french ?
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17:32.56beardyDon't you think he would have tried in french then?
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17:33.16rutski89If I have a laptop with MS word on it, can I seel it on ebay as is?
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17:33.20fkenstew: I would rather add I have been fed the nvidia one-liner a fantastizillion times already
17:33.29Gathondrutski89: perhaps:)
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17:33.42beardyrutski89: Why not?
17:33.46Gathondrutski89: probably depends upon the exact license you use word under
17:33.47greycatrutski89: I doubt #debian would know.
17:33.54rutski89greycat: hehe
17:33.55greycatwhy not ask ebay.com?
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17:34.08rutski89beardy: licencing isuses, yea, i'll go do that, good idea
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17:34.10fkenrutski89:omg I dunno ; i think you could erase every viruses before selling it ! -> No MS software !
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17:34.27rutski89fken: hehe, yea, I'd have a fresh install of windows
17:34.28ke6isfrutski89: Well, I know that Ernie Ball got fined by the BSA just for moving computers around once, and now they use Linux.  So you do the math from there.
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17:34.37yangxI can login over telnet without passwords, I have updated telnetd to latest release, but it doesnt fix the problem...?
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17:34.56beardyrutski89: you asked "can I", you always can.
17:34.57sgeigerbotyangx: remove telnet.
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17:35.01sgeigerbotyangx: use ssh
17:35.04yangxsgeigerbot: no, i need telnet
17:35.08yangxboth
17:35.08rutski89beardy: yea, i suppose :-
17:35.08fkengreycat: abroatman just adviced me a magical advice ! and now my lspci is able to recognize i have a geforce6600
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17:35.24sgeigerbotyangx: seriously?  why does one need telnet these days?
17:35.25abrotmanfken: ask #debian-amd65
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17:35.27abrotmanfken: ask #debian-amd64
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17:35.34beardysgeigerbot: One does.
17:35.35sgeigerbot...other than to get into routers.
17:35.38greycatsgeigerbot: the client or the telnetd daemon?
17:35.40sgeigerbotbeardy: give me an example
17:35.43fkengreycat: but i still cannot install nvidia-installer
17:35.45yangxsgeigerbot: so i can help people write in their ttys
17:35.50sgeigerbotgreycat: They are talking about the daemon.
17:35.52greycatfken: why are you asking me?
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17:36.18ke6isfyangx: da hell are you running telnet!  Close the security hole!
17:36.18engxine-check
17:36.19beardysgeigerbot: A BBS.
17:36.19fkenabrotman: ok thank you anyway: i have done a big step thanks to you
17:36.26engxine-help me
17:36.27abrotmannp
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17:36.47paulswmBecause you are all knowing, greycat, even I know that :)
17:36.52fkengreycat: simply because abrot and you are the two persons i like to bore with my questions :)
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17:37.13paulswm!irritate greycat
17:37.14dpkggreycat: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh quake3 ?????
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17:37.28greycatfken: but 1) I have never used Linux on an amd64; and 2) I haven't done an nvidia driver install since the *woody* days.
17:37.32paulswmOK, sorry, I'll shut up again now
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17:37.59fkengreycat: so good day anyway !
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17:38.37paulswmHeh, the woody days: silent movies, black and white photography, airships
17:38.53oracelI just tried the "testing" netinstall cd on another computer, same error there
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17:39.10scxHelo red people
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17:39.11honschuIs there a threadview for kmail?
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17:39.57me_hereis the use of swapd adviced for when i have plenty of swap space free ?
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17:40.22sgeigerbotI missed that.  Why does one need a telnet daemon?
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17:40.28me_hereor will it corrupt data ?
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17:41.14ke6isfsgeigerbot: They want their computer broken into, plainly.
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17:41.33eng#debian.tr
17:41.36spikehi there
17:41.53spikeregarding logcheck
17:41.59ke6isfeng: type '/join #debian.tr'.
17:42.03ke6isfmissed.
17:42.12Gathondsgeigerbot: plausible excuse for not being responsible when you do somethin illegal on that machine?
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17:42.27spikeI've set SORTUNIQ=1 in /etc/logcheck/logcheck.conf but I'm still getting loads of duplicated lines, I guess because of the date
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17:42.44paulswmme_here: Generally, it would be better to resize your swap space to meet your requirements, as swapd uses FILES and so is slower, particularly if you mount tmpfs on /tmp for example, just my opinion of course
17:42.45spikebut I thought logcheck was smart enough to not sort for timestap...
17:43.05scx<honschu> open kmail
17:43.20scxthen  click in ""tools""
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17:43.21beardysgeigerbot: I did not mean the telnet deamon, of course you don't need that. The client can be good to still have around.
17:43.31scxans click in log viewer
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17:44.34stek_help me! X server
17:44.44Gnea!tell stek_ about ask
17:44.53stek_thanks
17:45.01Gneawhatever.
17:45.03stek_xine-check
17:45.16beardySounds like eng again..
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17:45.48stek_Your X server doesn't support YV12 overlays
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17:46.02beardyOh, one of those
17:46.20beardy!ops have a look at stek_
17:46.20dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: have a look at stek_
17:46.21me_herepaulswm: that sounds like the goal for wich swapd strives will not be reached! cause the program description tells something else (or i don't understand that)
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17:48.21oracelI'm downloading the sarge netinstall now
17:48.45paulswmme_here: swapd may be of use if the computer has wildly fluctuating needs for swap space and has little disk space.  If you have plenty of disk space to allocate swap partition(s), I wouldn't mess with it.  If you use LVM, you can create swap partitions under LVM, which gives control over resizing anyway.
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17:49.09Belboz99hey guys, I still can't get apt-get to funtion properly
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17:49.21Belboz99I'm still stuck at ground 0
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17:50.01ke6isf!tell Belboz99 -about repeat
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17:50.50Belboz99ke6isf, I think you're a bit trigger happy on the tell command
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17:51.02green_earzBelboz99: can apt-get update ? if not try a new mirror apt-setup
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17:51.57ma3xhello
17:52.03Belboz99green_earz, I did apt-get update, nothing changed.  Also, I changed my sources.list to the reccomended list as seen on http://wiki.arslinux.com/Debian
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17:52.12ma3xcan you somehow limit the speed of every user on a WLAN router?
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17:52.25greycatwhy would you get a "recommended list" from a web site instead of running apt-setup?
17:52.34stek_everyone thans!!!!!!!
17:52.39zOapcan anyone recommend a wireless card that works with prism54 without any hassle?
17:52.49green_earzBelboz99: run apt-setup to pick a mirror
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17:53.12eeyore-z0ap: they are hard to find now
17:53.13green_earzBelboz99: and a http mirror
17:53.19Belboz99green_earz, the problem is that I can't upgrade or install anything until I get my kernel updated to 2.6.12, but I can't even upgrade the kernel without the new one
17:53.21ma3xi just installed freebsd today, and I saw the package management
17:53.23ma3xit's catastrophe
17:53.27ma3xyou can't even choose a mirror
17:53.38Daffy-PKFi have a configure script that is looking for glib-config, i have libglib installed, but no glib-config... can someone help please?
17:53.39ma3xthe pkg_ tools are real disaster
17:53.39eeyore-zOap: newer prism2 chips are "softmac" and contain some code in software, as such, prism54 no longer can drive them
17:53.44ma3xall you have to do is compile every day
17:53.46ma3xlike gentoo
17:53.52greycatDaffy-PKF: you need the -dev
17:54.06greycatDaffy-PKF: /msg dpkg search
17:54.07eeyore-zOap: suggestion, give up on prism chipset, go use intel pro wireless or atheros, or ralink
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17:54.13fkenfor every debian-64 users nvidia-glx are on the unstable !!!
17:54.17ke6isfma3x: So don't do that then. =^^=
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17:54.26zOapeeyore-, ok, what driver do I use for those?
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17:54.35ma3xke6isf, do what?
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17:54.43ke6isfma3x: Don't install BSD. =^_^=
17:54.46fkengreycat: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
17:54.51eeyore-zOap: ipw2100, ipw2200, ra* something or other.  go research :)
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17:54.52ma3xke6isf, I removed it
17:54.58ke6isfma3x: Good show!
17:55.03Daffy-PKFgreycat>  i have libglibmm-2.4-dev and libglib2.0-dev
17:55.03zOapeeyore-, thank you:)
17:55.15ma3xke6isf, but installed it like 5 times.
17:55.26Belboz99guys, what would happen if I ran apt with a Stable sources.list on a Sid version of Debian?
17:55.40greycatDaffy-PKF: libglib2.0 is not libglib.
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17:55.42ma3xBelboz99, a lot of complications I guess
17:55.42caphusoBelboz99: very little
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17:55.52greycatDaffy-PKF: just like gtk2.0 vs. gtk, they're incompatible.
17:55.53yangif i add an extra option in the kernel does it require a new build? or could i build just for that option
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17:56.10greycatyang: custom kernels are NOT supported here.
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17:56.19Daffy-PKFgreycat>  ho ok, so i need the 1.2 i guess
17:56.20Belboz99okay, I'm going to take your word on this caphuso
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17:56.29caphusoBelboz99: just don't do it
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17:56.51StarOfDeathhi there
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17:57.12Skajawhat desktops i can install on debian like kde , gnome ...etc
17:57.13Belboz99damn, it still requires the new kernel
17:57.17greycatSkaja: yes.
17:57.22ke6isfSkaja: Yes.
17:57.26beardySkaja: yes
17:57.27stek_I have problem;X server doesn't supprt YV12
17:57.34greycatstek_: /j #xfree86
17:57.35Belboz99why the hell did they require the 2.6.12 kernel for udev?
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17:57.46SeboI've got a question: I've installed package (# apt-get install...)& configured it, but now I'd like to reconfigure it. How can I run those configuration script that runs after installation??
17:57.52Skajaare there others i could install
17:57.54greycatBelboz99: because it's Linux!!!1
17:57.56SeboIs it possible or I have to pruge that dpk and install once aganin??
17:57.58greycatSkaja: yes.
17:58.02ke6isfSkaja: Yes.
17:58.14greycatSkaja: apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager
17:58.19ke6isfSkaja: What are you running right now?
17:58.30Belboz99greycat, you have any ideas how I can fix this?
17:58.31Skajai dont have the cd yet
17:58.37green_earzSebo: dpkg-recofigure package-name
17:58.41greycat!tell Belboz99 about sid faq
17:58.47ke6isfSkaja: That's fine, but what are you running right now, operating system wise?
17:58.48Skajais there a page i can look at
17:58.54greycat!tell Belboz99 about apt-cache search 2.6.12
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17:59.02greycatSkaja: apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager
17:59.03green_earzSebo: sorry dpkg-reconfigure package-name
17:59.04ke6isfSkaja: http://www.debian.org of course. =^_^=
17:59.05Skajawindows
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17:59.21ke6isfSkaja: OK, and what versions of Linux are you familiar with?
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17:59.56Skajamandrake 9.0 and ubuntu sucks
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18:00.08ke6isfSkaja: OK.  You know how Mandrake has a 3 CD distribution?
18:00.19Skajayea
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18:00.31ke6isfSkaja: Debian Sarge has like 14.  This should give you an idea as to how many packages there are.
18:00.41abrotman!dstats
18:00.41beardyke6isf: Why scare him?
18:00.43abrotman!dstats sarge
18:00.44ke6isfSkaja: Though, if 14 discs is a bit intimidating, there's always netinst.
18:00.53Sebothx
18:00.57greycatnobody should EVER need 14 sarge CDs.
18:00.58Skajai order the dvd
18:00.58dpkgDebian Distro Stats on sid... 17258 packages, 1595 maintainers, 34372 MB installed size, 11058 MB compressed size.
18:01.00dpkgDebian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size.
18:01.06greycatunless you are making copies of them and then selling them.
18:01.16oracelit would seem the sarge install works as expected
18:01.23oracelthank you all for your cooperation
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18:01.35ke6isfgreycat: That, or establishing your own mirror and updating accordingly.  Never underestimate the bandwidth of FedEx with fourteen CDs.
18:01.42oracelsomeone should tell someone the current testing iso is nuked
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18:01.55beardygreycat: Well, if you are going to install using cd:s, and you want to install something that's on cd 14, you do need them all.
18:02.05stek_XLV ./configure error!
18:02.06greycatno, you just need CD #1 and CD #14.
18:02.17Skajai tryed the net install
18:02.28Skajai'm on dial up
18:02.29stek_gnome-config.......no
18:02.32greycatprobably a fucking winmodem.
18:02.35ke6isfSkaja: ....
18:02.37greycatstek_: /msg dpkg search
18:02.39fkensee ya
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18:02.40m2heh, I once worked out the bandwidth of a truck loaded with floppies... it was... a lot :-) but latency sucked.
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18:02.51beardygreycat: How can I know on which cd all the packages I might want to try is at?
18:02.56stek_gnomeConf.sh not found
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18:03.19ke6isfm2: Yeah, but much more efficient than a network transfer, yesno? =^_^=
18:03.39beardystek_: locate gnomeConfig.sh
18:03.43greycatstek_: /msg dpkg search
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18:03.58greycatbeardy: connect to the internet, download the thing you need, disconnect.
18:04.04greycatbeardy: this is 2005.
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18:04.17greycat!cd contents
18:04.17dpkgTo find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. stew has created a searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt
18:04.31beardygreycat: That's not what I meant.
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18:04.57Belboz99greycat, THANKS! that was exactly what I needed! :)
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18:05.55Skajawhat does kde look like now?
18:06.06FarrisGSo I have this machine/j #dhcpd
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18:06.11FarrisGack, heh
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18:06.31Hecateanybody here would not mind reply my questions about cygwin?
18:06.31beardygreycat: And why would I choose to install using the cd:s if I have a connection to download a whole cd-image as soon as I want try one package?
18:06.33Belboz99I'm now downloading the 2.6.12-K7 kernel-image from apt, if all goes well I should have a new kernel and I should be able to fix Sid :)
18:06.38oracelok I got my sarge base system install
18:06.46oracelis it ok for me to change the sources.list to testing
18:06.47ke6isfHecate: /join #cygwin
18:06.49oraceland run dist-upgrade
18:06.58oracelor have I just wasted alot of time
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18:07.07Hecateke6isf: a week on that room and I still dont have any decent replies
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18:07.16Skajaholly crap there is a nintendo emulator in debian
18:07.16rkingoracel: that'll work.
18:07.19greycatbeardy: then bring your computer to the local linux user group meeting where you've all pitched in and bought a copy of all 14 CDs to share among the whole group.
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18:07.43FarrisGI have a dhcpd server with several fixed-addressed configured in /etc/dhcp.conf. This works for most of my machines, but I have one that has been offline for a while, and now when I try to get a lease it consistently grabs the same IP from the pool rather than the fixed-address it should be getting from dns
18:07.47greycatbeardy: meanwhile, the *rest* of us are in the 21st century.  it's kind of nice here, except that the political death machine is still rolling strong.
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18:08.19oracelrking, will I then by all definitions be in ownership of a "testing" installation? Or a "sarge" installation with "testing" packages?
18:08.23akulah!ping
18:08.23dpkgpong
18:08.44beardygreycat: True, good answer, allthough there might not be a LUG around, and then I would have to get them all for myself first, since I would be the first member.
18:08.57beardygreycat: ?
18:09.03scx<PROTECTED>
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18:09.11beardygreycat: It's called discussing, sorry for thinking that was possible..
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18:10.47starbuckanyone know how to query what package contains what file? even if the package is not installed?
18:11.05streuner!tell starbuck about search
18:11.08ma3xwhat means w**king ?
18:11.17greycatma3x: give us context.
18:11.17Skajadoes debian.org have a screen shot page?
18:11.20ma3xwhat letters are supposed to be under ** ?
18:11.25ma3x'Oh, we have that in England, too. We call it w**king."
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18:11.33streunerSkaja: use google.com pictures
18:11.34greycatma3x: give us MORE context.
18:11.40greycathave *what* in england?
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18:11.48Gathondma3x: my guessing working
18:11.49starbuckstreuner: thanks bud
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18:11.50greycat(it's probably "wanking")
18:11.52scxaprt
18:11.57scx"apt"
18:11.58greycat(but without context, we can't be sure)
18:11.58ma3xI was in New York with Maggie Smith recently, promoting a film, and we were asked about the Sanford Meisner Method school of acting which is based on ruthless self-exploration. Maggie, in her unique way, said, 'Oh, we have that in England, too. We call it w**king."
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18:12.10greycatdefinitely wanking, then.
18:12.10scxapt-cahche search "packagename"
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18:12.42kraddoes giving a file chmod +t have any meaning other than the file will be always present in swap memory?
18:12.42ma3xwanking is  "slang terms for masturbation"
18:12.44ma3x?
18:12.47Skajagrr debian 3.1 comes with stuff i had to download
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18:12.56greycatma3x: british slang, yes
18:13.14greycat!wikifaq krad Permissions
18:13.15dpkgkrad: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/
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18:13.25greycatkrad: it doesn't mean that any more.  that's like 1987.
18:13.32ma3xso if somebody would say to you " wanker ", should you be very offended by that person?
18:13.36ma3xor is it more like joke?
18:13.37greycatma3x: moderately.
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18:13.44ma3xhaha :)
18:13.45greycatma3x: it's not terribly offensive.
18:13.48greycatjust a little bit.
18:13.56ma3xokie, but it can be meant as joke too?
18:14.00green_earzma3x: if you are called a wanker it means you are a tosspot
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18:14.07greycatanything can be meant as a joke
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18:14.19Juz_visitingwhen you use the mount command to mount a dvd (movie) what is the -t  type as in   mount -t ????? /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd
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18:14.30greycatJuz_visiting: leave it out entirely.
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18:14.42ma3xgreen_earz, like you when you drink and go left and right?
18:14.43greycatJuz_visiting: mount will make an educated guess
18:14.44Juz_visitingit fails and sez I have to tell it what type
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18:15.00Juz_visiting# mount /dev/dvd /media/dvd
18:15.00Juz_visitingmount: you must specify the filesystem type
18:15.09greycatJuz_visiting: it probably failed for a reason other than the -t flag.
18:15.23greycatJuz_visiting: are you *sure* there were no other errors?
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18:15.26Juz_visitingsez it needs the file type see above
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18:15.34Juz_visitingtha one linner
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18:15.42greycatJuz_visiting: mount -t iso9660 ....
18:15.53greycatat least that'll make him stop asking the same damned question over and over.
18:16.25green_earzma3x: a tosspot is a useless twat, just like a wanker
18:16.27Juz_visitingtried that same error ... if i put it here it's a 7-8 line flood
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18:16.52Juz_visitingjoin #LBo-flood and I'll show any one that wants to see it
18:16.57cahootJuz_visiting: + a kick and ensuing comments
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18:17.05Gathonddoes a DVD movie contain an iso 9660 filesystem, or is it more like that VCD thing
18:17.07Juz_visitingrgr that
18:17.07eeyore-green_earz: you ought to define a term without requiring you to define more terms
18:17.09Gathond?
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18:17.16Skajai have a question
18:17.25starbuckeeyore-, lol
18:17.25greycat14:15  Juz_visiting> tha one linner
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18:17.31greycat14:16  Juz_visiting> tried that same error ... if i put it here it's a 7-8 line
18:17.46greycathow can a 7-8 line error be "that same error" as "tha one linner"?
18:17.53Skajais america's army going to be added to debian 3.2
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18:18.02eeyore-Gathond: could be udf
18:18.07valdynGathond: dvd does not care about the fs iirc, iso works
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18:18.11greycatSkaja: is it under a DFSG-free license?
18:18.12Gathondgreycat: I assume the oneliner is the mount thing
18:18.23Juz_visitingsigh the end result is that it can't get the file type but does give about 5 lines b4 that b4 it says it
18:18.24Gathondvaldyn: just wondering if that why he cant mount it :)
18:18.32greycat!errors
18:18.32dpkgif you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing.  Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors
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18:18.44Gathondlike you cant usually mount a VCD as its not a valid standard filesystem
18:18.53valdynGathond: yea, dvd can be mounted
18:18.54oracelhow do I activate the "APT::Force-LoopBreak" option?
18:19.01Skajadont know the game is free and the download is free
18:19.09greycatSkaja: then we don't know either.
18:19.10eeyore-Gathond: don't confuse what the *drive* can do, with what the *media* is
18:19.19Gathondvaldyn: ok, dont own a DVD drive that works in linux
18:19.27eeyore-Gathond: when you say "dvd", do you mean the drive or the disk?
18:19.31nathan__anyone any idea how to run the nxclient once installed from the deb package cant find it anywhere
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18:19.46valdynSkaja: americas army has a dfsg compatible licence?
18:19.46Gathondeeyore-: I mean a DVD movie, as Juz_visiting stated he tried to mount
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18:20.00valdynSkaja: free as in beer isnt good enough
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18:20.26greycat!dfsg
18:20.27dpkgi heard dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
18:20.29valdynJuz_visiting: why do you even want to mount that dvd?
18:20.39Skajavaldyn free as in air you breath
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18:20.49eeyore-gathod: probably udf
18:20.51greycatSkaja: see the dfsg definition above
18:20.56eeyore-Gathond: probably udf
18:21.04nvzSkaja: free doesnt have anything to do with cost
18:21.06Gathondeeyore-: ok
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18:21.15valdynSkaja: free as in libre, english doesnt have a word for it
18:21.26greycatfree like "what you are when America's real army isn't pointing guns at you"
18:21.29eeyore-Gathond: so if s/he doesn't have support for udf compiled into the kernel, sorry, can't "mount" the dvd
18:21.31kart_b
18:21.38Gathondeeyore-: I'll try to remember that when I actually get to be able to use my DVD drive in linux sometime in the future
18:21.39kart_bye all
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18:22.18eeyore-Gathond: it's not?
18:22.40Gathondeeyore-: no, libata ATAPI support is incomplete :(
18:22.45green_earzgreycat: liberated
18:22.48Juz_visitingvaldyn Juz_visiting: why do you even want to mount that dvd?  so vlc can see it and play it ...
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18:22.49Gathondeeyore-: also caught me by surprise
18:22.52beardygreycat: Freedom isn't scared of pointed guns.
18:23.06valdynJuz_visiting: playing a dvd has *nothing* to do with mounting it
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18:24.12Juz_visitingif the bloody thing ain't mounted how does it read it ........?
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18:24.13valdynJuz_visiting: jsut for fun, run cat /dev/hda, it will read hda just fine w/o mounting it
18:24.13Gathondeeyore-: even forcing it to be included (its disabled in the header file in the kernel because its not complete) only results in the drive being found and then the SATA layer throwing an error and stops it there
18:24.27eeyore-Gathond: hmm.  ok.  nice to know :-)  maybe external firewire dvd will work better.
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18:24.50geoffQuestion: Trying to compile the nvidia kernel module on an Athlon64 X2 system.  Getting error "code model `kernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode".  Searching online indicates that I need to either switch to a K7 kernel to stay in 32 bit land, or switch completely to 64-bit debian.  Is this correct?
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18:24.57greycatJuz_visiting: it reads it by sucking raw bytes from the character device.
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18:25.02greycator maybe a block device if you're lucky.
18:25.05Gathondeeyore-: it might be done soon :) Im crossing my fingers:) would like to use my DVD reader/burner without having to boot a windows :)
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18:25.24Juz_visitingValandil: nothing it's just hung on the next (empty line) after the cat /dev/dvd  entry
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18:25.34valdyngeoff: you are using a 64 bit nvidia installer on a 32 bit system. your Ahlon is CAPABLE of running 64 bit code, but you OS isnt 64 bit
18:25.38Skajaok thanks
18:25.45tom22hello is it possible to stream e-learning videos? which program do I need for that?
18:25.53Skajathen can i point out this other game
18:25.59zerve_the_deathhi all i have problem with my Geforce graphics card im just install the sarge 3.1 for amd64 and i run xorg any help?
18:26.01greycattom22: try mplayer
18:26.13eeyore-does anybody know whether xorg supports the new CN400 chipset (VIA EPIA SP boards & etc)
18:26.14geoffvaldyn: I installed an i386 distro, then installed the amd64-k8-smp kernel to get the second core working.  Was that the wrong thing to do?
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18:26.30Skajaits called planeshift
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18:26.50tom22greycat: is that a server, that clients can use their browser to whatch the streams?
18:26.52valdyngeoff: you would need to cross compile the nvidia driver for it to work theoretically
18:26.54beardy!tell tom22 about marillat
18:27.06geoffvaldyn: Is that as much of a pain as it sounds?
18:27.09valdyngeoff: meaning - compile it for 64 bit mode in your 32 bit environment.
18:27.09eeyore-the new SP boards look interesting.  1.3GHz C5P (nehemiah) and CN400 with MPEG4 decoder (as opposed to 'hardware assistance' of the unichrome), how true a "decoder" i still have to see for myself :)
18:27.23valdyngeoff: its pointless for you most likely, just use a 32 bit kernel
18:27.35Gathondeeyore-: you might just buy a PATA drive though, currently the same models are available I think
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18:27.45greycattom22: oh, YOU want to be the person offering the stream?  can't help with that.
18:27.52geoffvaldyn: If I go with a k7-smp kernel, it will find the second core?
18:27.58Skajaplaneshift in under the gpl
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18:28.03valdyngeoff: sure i guess
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18:28.07tom22greycat: yes for my students at home
18:28.17geoffvaldyn: OK, thanks, I'll give it a try.
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18:28.28greycattom22: any particular reason it has to be a stream, instead of just a bunch of .mpg files on a web server?
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18:28.35Skajahttp://www.planeshift.it/pslicense.html
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18:28.46geoffFailing that, how "ready" is the amd64 debian tree?  Is it at i386 parity yet?
18:28.54greycatgeoff: ask #debian-amd64
18:29.01oracelmy sources.list now says "deb http://etc testing main"
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18:29.05geoffgreycat, oh, duh, thanks.
18:29.10oraceldoes this mean I'm using etch?
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18:29.13sgeigerbotWho runs the debian.org sites?  (I want to give feedback or help out, if possible.)
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18:29.16valdynJuz_visiting: 'cat /dev/dvd' hangs?
18:29.20Juz_visitingyes
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18:29.21eeyore-Gathond: nah, already have many internal dvd drives ... was looking for one for my jeep, so it has to be small, external, won't fit into DIN slots (want to use that for panel, or computer itself)
18:29.31tom22greycat: ist the size. some files are 4 MB large
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18:29.38valdynJuz_visiting: dvd broken? drive broken?
18:29.40eeyore-hmm wait ... carbotpc.com, lemme check that out first :)
18:29.45Juz_visitingeven killing the pid for the cat works but I can't get that terminal back
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18:30.01Juz_visitingno it will see cd's just fine
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18:30.02valdynJuz_visiting: not sure if copy protected dvd could do such shit
18:30.06greycattom22: tiny.
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18:30.17dm1trihi all
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18:30.41valdynJuz_visiting: what is ogle doing with it?
18:30.44tom22greycat: not all students have fast connections
18:30.46Juz_visitingwell I don't know as I have just started trying dvd's on linux .. same cd plays fine on a 98se box in realplayer
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18:31.21valdyn!marillat
18:31.21dpkg[marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/
18:31.22greycatJuz_visiting: if ogle doesn't work (lately it's been giving me solid black video and perfect audio), try "xine dvd:/"
18:31.28beardytom22: The more reason for them to be able to download a movie instead of seeing at as a strem then.
18:31.37L00tharIs there an IRC channel out there which discusses OCR and packages like gocr/jocr?
18:31.38beardystream
18:31.46Juz_visitingI have tried xine and vlc .. niether sees anything there to play ... so I wanted to mount it and try ....
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18:31.53greycattom22: then you DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT to make them watch a video stream.
18:31.56Juz_visitingthus my opening ? how do I mount it
18:32.02greycattom22: let them download it and then watch it locally.
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18:32.12valdynJuz_visiting: alright, now you know that mounting has nothing to do with playing anyway
18:32.23tom22beardy: that's true
18:32.24greycateven audio streaming to a modem is iffy.
18:32.25streunerhm
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18:33.23valdynJuz_visiting: see what dpkg said about marillat, you might need that for region encoded dvds
18:33.26rovraggeHello. I have problems with gtk1 fonts (MS arial suddenly looks non-AA). GTK2 fonts are AA. which packages should I dpkg-reconfigure/reinstall to try to reset the font configuration?
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18:33.46tom22I am too used to my fast connection. I wanted to offer my students some tutorials over the web. and I thought streaming is the best solution. so they can whatch immediately.
18:33.47Juz_visitingso Valandil with no automount in fstab vlc or xine is smart enough to automount the drive and play .. uhhh I don't believe in magic sorry
18:33.54dm1triwhen installing debian 3.1, with the linux26 bootparameters. is there a way to get it using acpi from the start?
18:34.06dm1trior do i have to recompile the kernel after install?
18:34.07valdynJuz_visiting: haha
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18:34.39beardygreycat: So now you believe there are modems in 2005?
18:34.39valdynJuz_visiting: it sometimes isnt bright enough to find the *drive*, but it still has nothing to do with mounting
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18:34.57tom22thx for your advice. I guess you saved me a lot of work.
18:34.59tc17oi
18:35.01greycatbeardy: I never said there weren't.  Modems can download fvwm .debs.
18:35.08valdyn!dvd
18:35.08dpkghmm... dvd is use xine, vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss
18:35.09tc17.
18:35.11greycatbeardy: you said NO INTERNET AT ALL in your hypothetical discussion.
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18:35.43Juz_visitingif I have to mount to see the contents of a cd does it not follow that I would have to mount to see the contents of a dvd in the same drive??
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18:35.58valdynJuz_visiting: nope
18:35.59beardygreycat: Did I? I may have, but I don't think I said that, not using words anyway. I'll check.
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18:36.13valdynJuz_visiting: run 'lsdvd'
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18:36.23nvzJuz_visiting: not unless you want to view data on a dvd. if its a dvd movie there is no need to mount
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18:36.30Juz_visitingenuff for now .. thanks I'll drink a few brewskis and try this again
18:36.35dm1trianyone?
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18:37.35Juz_visitinglibdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access       and nothing happening
18:37.37nvz-!- anyone: no such nick/channel
18:37.45beardygreycat: No, I did not say that. Allthough, I agree it may have sounded like that.
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18:38.39valdynJuz_visiting: id try a different dvd
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18:39.01Juz_visitingbut it plays on the win box I just tried it .. it's a good dvd
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18:39.06nvzI suppose I could nest screens with different control chars eh?!
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18:39.53Juz_visitinglibdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.   ///      Can't open main ifo!
18:40.01me_herei once run libdvdcss with my cdrom got 5 dvd's played with it and then the drive got corrupted
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18:40.10caphusonvz: you can nest them with the same control char too
18:40.22valdynJuz_visiting: is it even a video dvd?
18:40.24nvzcaphuso: yeah but wouldnt that get confusing :P
18:40.34caphusonvz: a bit :)
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18:40.46Juz_visitingback to my beer run .. thanks for the patience ..... uh yes I just played it in the win 98se box
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18:41.31greycat"in the win 98se box"... meaning in a DIFFERENT physical drive than the one that's in the debian box?
18:41.36nvzcaphuso: I am using synergy here. I want the screen with irssi to stay on the bridge so it stays running when all other stations are powered off.. but the synergy server is my desktop with sound and such.. I want to be able to control my cplay and other things from the same screen session or seemingly the same one
18:42.04valdynsomehow i have the feeling that this isnt even a dvd drive
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18:42.13Juz_visitingdifffernt box drive, etc
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18:42.35valdynor one that cannot read your dvd-rw or whateve rit is
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18:42.50beardygreycat: I said: "using the cd:s if I have a" (should have included a "good enough" here perhaps) "connection to download a whole cd-image as soon as"
18:42.53nvzI suppose I could just run two different screens on each station.. but I like having the same one on all of them so no matter which one I happen to be working on I can still use one of the others to watch my screen
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18:42.54sbkfolks -- have an interesting situation. I updated a partition table without unmounting a file system (by mistake.) In theory, it should have updated the size of an extended partition, and one partition inside it. On reboot, the filesystems that were still mounted, showed up with errors (superblocks not found.) I've located the block number of those superblocks, and they appear to have been offset by 8*4096 bytes.
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18:43.08greycatbeardy: what kind of an idiot would download whole ISO images other than the first one?
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18:43.36sbkdebugfs is able to read the superblock, but not the other inodes [presumably because all offsets are now off by that value]
18:43.42greycatbeardy: if you want something from the 14th CD, you don't download the *whole* 14th CD!  You just type "apt-get install super-obscure-marine-xenobiology-package"
18:43.42valdynsbk: no, not offeset, that is probably backups, ext2/3 does that
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18:44.15sbkvaldyn: ah, interesting. I thought the superblock backups were at other offsets, not 8 blocks away from block 0
18:44.38madclickerhow do i HUP a pppoe connection on debian?
18:44.42nvzgreycat: "the finest in New York, sir" quoting Home Alone II response to "what kind of idiots do you have working here?"
18:44.43valdynsbk: i dont know those details.
18:45.10greycatI won't ask why you know whole lines from Home Alone II.
18:45.15beardygreycat: On a dialup modem internetconnection, I would get the cd:s instead.
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18:45.32greycatbeardy: I ran Debian on a dial-up connection for years.
18:45.41nvzI think there was a 3rd one too.. not sure
18:45.42sbkvaldyn: to my knowledge, the first superblock backups for (in my case, a 4096 byte-sized block) is at block 32768
18:45.46greycatbeardy: I would order the CD sets because back then there were only 2 CDs!
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18:46.08greycatbeardy: when I started tracking unstable, I didn't need the CD sets any more.  I just downloaded the packages over the modem.
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18:46.17nvzonly Home Alone thing that was ever any good was the Sega game.. the movies and other games sucked
18:46.18sbkvaldyn: I guess I could check that (in my case) there is a backup superblock at 32768+8... checking that
18:46.23abrotmanno way .. i used slink on dialup!
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18:46.52nvzthat sega game was somewhat entertaining though.. collecting parts to build weapons and traps and such
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18:46.59madclickerhow can i restart a DSL connection on sarge?
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18:47.27valdynsbk: man mount , search sb=
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18:47.57nvzonly on tuesdays
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18:48.08beardyYou really should try not to offend people that tries to talk with you and is not asking you newbie questions, try to differentiate a little.
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18:48.11nvzwhen idiots are still lingering in #debian
18:48.17fkenabrotman greycat : I finally success in installing nvidia drivers but i have a bemol : I have been forced to separate myself from the GLX module
18:48.21greycatOK, FINE!
18:48.23madclickerthats mr asshole to you
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18:48.26abrotmana what?
18:48.32Hecatebeardy: Why, he should offend noobs?
18:48.32valdynmadclicker: ifdown ppp0 && ifup ppp0
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18:48.41greycatEVERYONE GO FUCKING DOWNLOAD ALL FOURTEEN SARGE CDs!  NO, MAKE THAT ALL TWENTY-EIGHT, BECAUSE YOU NEED THE SOURCE TOO!
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18:48.44madclickerhey abrot
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18:48.52chealmadclicker: poff;pon
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18:49.05madclickervaldyn, and if i am remote connected
18:49.06sbkvaldyn: thanks for that info. I think that would work if I just corrupted the superblock, instead of having a filesystem that's "offset" by some number of bytes, no?
18:49.18madclickercheal: and if am remote connected
18:49.24fkengreycat: the max number of debian cd i downloaded was 3
18:49.30nvzbah.. the mini-cd ISO I have works just fine
18:49.36chealmadclicker: what does that mean?
18:49.39fkengreycat: and today i just download the first :)
18:49.47Hecatefken: I downloaded a Debian version taking 2 DVD! :)
18:49.54Ether_Manfken: greycat left the channel you know..
18:49.57beardygreycat: Calm down, we were just fucking discussing, I at least, why draw everything to the extreme.
18:49.57madclickergreycat: chill ma brother
18:50.12valdynsbk: yea, i think so, but if this is important.. dont rely on me or irc..
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18:50.19nvzEther_Man: you spoke too soon :P
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18:50.26fkenHecate: i only need the first cd : everything else is on my apt
18:50.26madclickercheal: if i poff it am fucked
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18:50.41sbkvaldyn: :-) well, I have what used to be /tmp to experiment with, and the only problem partition is /var
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18:50.47Ether_Mannvz: Was kinda funny to see all the peeps speaking to a nonexisting nick though ^_^
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18:51.16madclickerabrotman: how can i "service adsl restart" in debian?
18:51.21eeyore-does anybody have a macally keypoint remote working under linux?
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18:51.25sbkvaldyn: as a last resort -- if I needed to recreate /var, what would be involved (after mke2fs, that is ;-)
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18:51.27chealmadclicker: "poff;pon" should reconnect you, no?
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18:51.43larrikinlack of 'testing' and 'unstable' links in non-US, should I change my sources list ?
18:51.48abrotmanmadclicker: /etc/init.d/adsl restart ?
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18:51.53merethanSome ftp server sais "421 Sorry, cleartext sessions are not accepted on this server." I tied binary mode, but it gives the same result. some r0xing FTP-die-hard in here wanting to tell me what to do?
18:52.01madclickerabrotman: i dont have that
18:52.02cheal!topicsmite larrikin
18:52.02dpkgAnd the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon larrikin.  And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken.  And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
18:52.11madclickercheal, how is that
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18:52.31Ether_Manmerethan: Get yourself an ftp client that supports SSL sessions..
18:52.33dumezilim trying to install the autofs kernel module and im getting a problem saying "device or resource busy"
18:52.36chealmadclicker: man pon?
18:52.38nvzYou know I never realized it before because it was one of my lesser favorite RATM songs.. but that "Testify" song sounds like it was written about the wars in the middle east that largely took place long after the band broke up
18:52.40dumezilany idea what to do?
18:52.42larrikinhmm .. didn't read -all- of the topic perhaps .. I read some of it ;)
18:52.45madclickercheal, i just type #poff;pon dslprovider ?
18:52.54madclickercheal: roger
18:53.00chealmadclicker: pon dsl-provider, more likely
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18:53.16merethanEther_Man :: Well gFTP does have SSL
18:53.29Ether_Manmerethan: So use it..
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18:53.35merethanI did
18:53.45merethanIt's enabled in the options menu
18:53.50merethanftps:// ?
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18:54.36jjazzI have both wireless and wired NICs on this laptop.  I would like to use them both for different outbound services.  Is there a package that will direct traffic between these two interfaces for me?
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18:54.39clavnercan anyone point me to a guide on specific gcc flags to optimize the kernel and are these flags usable with make-kpkg?
18:55.00Ether_Manmerethan: Then either it's not working or the ftp server has some other problem with your client..  Only reason I know where an ftpd answers with that is when it demands ssl mode atleast
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18:55.24merethanI tied ssl already, but... it works now... :S
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18:55.35merethanI did ftps:// as IP
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18:55.51merethanbut I already had ftps as default protocol
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18:57.07pretoblackcan anyone tellme a good ftp-server
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18:59.38scxthe best I know
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18:59.54pretoblackthanks
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18:59.58merethanMy screen is more filled with leave / join messages then with some useful chat
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19:00.32settcan anyone help me. I am trying to compile darkice with lame, but there is only toolame in debian
19:00.32settinstalling lame from souce is no luck
19:00.32dumezildo i have to have the autofs kernel module installed to use autofs?
19:00.32settare there packages for deb of lame?
19:00.40nvz!lame
19:00.40dpkglame is probably : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs.  Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'.  Get .debs from  <marillat> or <rarewares>
19:00.51settthx! :)
19:01.09bombi just found lame: lame - LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder
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19:01.29nvzsett: its on marillat's repo already packages /msg dpkg marillat
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19:01.41bombyou might need the marillat repository
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19:01.51bombyeah that
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19:02.33bombi love it when i punch like 38 digits on my numberpad and look up to see that the number lock was off
19:02.53MortiHow apt.
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19:03.07nvzbomb: its not good to leave unofficial repos in your cache. you should comment them out and update when done using them. if they dump something in there thats newer than your stable version you could end up upgrading to more unofficial packages then you've bargained for.
19:03.21nvzthen all your bug reports are next to useless..etc
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19:03.36bombnvz: i didn't know that
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19:03.52bombi've always kept that in there
19:04.07settcool
19:04.12settI love that community ;)
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19:04.32settbomb, big thx
19:04.39nvzwhat happens if they dump a new X server, libc6..etc in there and you upgrade all of your system to unofficial sources? you might as well be using ubuntu or something, cause you arent using debian anymore
19:04.55merethanBOMB YOU FUCKIN' *****
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19:05.04merethan:p
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19:05.14bombuh, settle down, little one
19:05.20alboif i install procmail with a postfix system, do i need to configure things to make procmail work
19:05.21bombi just commented it
19:05.22scxHey guys... I am looking for a nice yet powerfull IRC client
19:05.26merethannext time leave me in one part plz
19:05.30pantherascx: irssi
19:05.38bombscx: irssi-text
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19:05.40scxI liked the power of Kvirc
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19:05.45nvzhahaha
19:05.51scxand plkease don't tell me irssi
19:05.53ptlisscx, x-chat
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19:05.56nvzhahahahahaha
19:06.01scxI prfer some qt
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19:06.09nvzhahahahahahahahahahaha :P
19:06.10samuelsup all
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19:06.26scxKonversation is a little nice but verry poor
19:06.31chealI rebooted my box hoping it would fix a problem...shame on me!
19:06.39nvzits too bad I am dead or I would still be laughing
19:06.56samuelanyone know of a link to read up on dotgnu and mono?
19:06.59bombrebooting is overrated, i tried it the other day
19:07.02samueland compare?
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19:07.59dumezilim trying to install the autofs kernel module and im getting a problem saying "device or resource busy".  what could cause this/
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19:08.46pedro__hola
19:08.50pedro__alguien me puede ayudar?
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19:09.09thingfishpueden ayudarle in #debian-es
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19:10.29scxyou know something like http://colloquy.info/
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19:10.39scxbut that's for Mac
19:10.50sanderhi.. I got two interfaces.. one wlan.. and one normal one..
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19:10.59RobHuWhere do I need to put my route commands (or similar) so that they persist across reboots?
19:11.04sanderbut after a while.. both gets enabled.. an none works
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19:11.46scxand there r 2 things I don't like:  1gtk  2 console   (talking about IRC)
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19:11.57nvzpedro__: hablamos solamente ingles en #debian. Por favor usen #debian-es, si nessicitar ayuda en espanol
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19:13.03samuelnvz,*necesitan*
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19:13.25nvzsamuel: something like that :P
19:13.31samuel:)
19:13.39scxpedro:  join #debian-es
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19:13.43sanderi'm using ubuntu.. wondring if any grafical interface is enabling both devices without I knowing it..
19:13.49scxnesecitan !!!
19:14.01scxtht's the way it wrotes
19:14.03SpinDochello, is there any support of my pci internal modem on debian. I am thinking of installing the distro.
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19:14.27myrenwhats everyones opinion on Reiser4 having its own plugin interface?
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19:14.57nvzI havent really used my spanish knowlage outside class which I stopped taking spanish classes 5 years or more ago
19:15.03scxbbuy a 536ep modem from Intel
19:15.09scxworks easily
19:15.21SpinDocI have a 536ep modem from Intel
19:15.23SpinDocalready
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19:15.38scxso download the driver from Intel's site
19:15.38SpinDocdoes it work good scx
19:15.48chealsander: no clue about your question, but you're asking on #debian
19:15.54scxso there's no prob
19:16.03scxit works fine
19:16.09scxand easy to install
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19:16.27SpinDocoh ok ..thankx
19:16.28SpinDoc:)
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19:16.36franzdoes anybody have a good how to to use roaming profiles for  linux and windows workstations?
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19:18.13oracelhey I can't get KDE working
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19:18.20evil_andyin dhcp3, is there a way that I can have the server tell a client to use a different address if the client requests an address that is on the subnet, but isn't 'correct'?
19:18.21setog3hi
19:18.26RobHuWhere do I need to put my route commands (or similar) so that they persist across reboots?
19:18.27me_herehow can i detect if my DVD Drive is a RPC-2 Drive and wich ReginCode it is SetUp for ?
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19:18.38me_heres/Regin/Region/
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19:19.06me_hereor should i ask that in #xmms ?
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19:19.49setog3last day , I have a problem with my printer ,  but this day I have a problem with my hdd .. so I have this error in boot : hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma_status==0x21 ... and the same with status =0x58 , and ide failed opcode .. I can't do anything , just reboot , what is the problem ?
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19:20.59samuelis it just me or are these bots getting more and more?
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19:21.31bombwhat bots
19:21.39bombi have everything except for PUBLIC ignored in this channel
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19:22.22samuelanyone know if in xchat there is a way to ingnore the join / leave thing or is it something on the irc server?
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19:22.29gin_oracel, what its ur error ?
19:22.33samuelbomb, how do you do that?
19:22.35meriaddoes vsftpd support transfers from FXP?
19:22.36gin_oracel, have u installed, x-window-system ?
19:22.49bombsamuel: /ignore #debian joins parts blah blah blah
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19:22.54bombdepending on your client
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19:23.06thingfishIn gaim, you can use gaim-extendedprefs to not show joins/leaves.
19:23.16samuelbomb, thx
19:23.37Coweatersamuel: right click on the channel tab for temporary in that channel, or /set irc_conf_mode 1 for permanent in all channels
19:23.43meriadbomb: what causes FXP to fail?
19:23.45tchinohello how can I cancel text in kspread
19:23.58bombmeriad: depends, what the heck is FXP.
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19:24.28sward!fxp
19:24.28dpkgwell, fxp is a program that uses FTP PASV mode to transfer between two FTP servers, ask about 'quftp' for software
19:24.33samuelCoweater, thx
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19:25.00samuelit really is annoying to see 75% of the screen taken up by join/part messages
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19:25.14meriadSite to Site Transfer Failed! (Attempting alternative method)
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19:25.18sanderanyone can help me with getting my wireless network working?.. it just dies after a few minutes?
19:25.19meriadwhy doesnt it work?
19:25.28evil_andyany help on that dhcp problem?
19:25.45sandergot a intel wireless card.. with a dlink wireless router
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19:28.34corpixi use fluxbox and got a german menu, how can i translate it to english ? update-menus doesnt provide a "language" option
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19:28.46franzno problem here sander which card is it? Centrino one?
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19:29.00sanderits a intel one..
19:29.00Bob332can someone help me with my networking, I have two interfaces, one on a private network, the other on a public address...i cant seem to ping the public address from the internet...and when the public address is UP, i cant reach the internet, when i take down the public interface, i CAN reach the internet via the private interface
19:29.03ezerhodencorpix, would that relate to the i18n file?
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19:29.17sanderfranz: with a dlink router
19:29.19corpixezerhoden: i'm not sure, does it ?
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19:29.39ezerhodenjust german in fluxbox or all menus?
19:29.51corpixjust fluxbox
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19:30.20corpixfluxbox' init points to /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
19:30.24corpix/etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu is german
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19:30.50sanderfranz, I got two laptops.. works with one of them.. but not the other one
19:31.24bombcorpix: check the menu that isn't being used, it's in ~/.fluxbox/menu
19:31.26SupaplexI accept disfunctional laptops ;)
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19:31.38franzThere is a mailing list if you want for ipw2200 I would send an e-mail over there..
19:31.39dvsSupaplex: You accepts all Dells? ;-)
19:31.39bombif that one is in english, just point ~/.fluxbox/menu to that one
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19:31.43quad3dxdoes the standard apt-get procmail install have any startup script? i dont see it in /etc/init.d/
19:31.45corpixbomb: if so, every new app i apt-get wouldn't be added
19:31.59quad3dxi changed something in procmailrc and would like to restart it
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19:36.04sanderfranz: Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05)
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19:38.21f0rt3hm3herm, i have nvidia nforce2 chipset, and nvidia nforce network controller, but when i install debain and try insmod forcedeth.o i get a "Device not found" error
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19:39.44f0rt3hm3hcan anyone help me?
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19:39.59c01100011nvidia-modules makes my xmms segment fault, is there a fix or ar recomendation for an alternative to xmms  ?
19:39.59davFrdid you try lspci ?
19:40.07dvsf0rt3hm3h: use "modprobe forcedeth"
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19:40.16f0rt3hm3hdvs: what will that do
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19:40.23dvs!insmod
19:40.23dpkgSorry, that command doesn't exist.  Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load.  NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6.  Use modprobe.  Did we mention "modprobe" yet?
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19:40.59f0rt3hm3hok...thanks
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19:41.01davFrdvs : interesting, why can't we use insmod with 2.6N
19:41.03davFrdvs : interesting, why can't we use insmod with 2.6?
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19:41.20dvsdavFr: I'm not sure.  I never use it.
19:41.21peterSdavFr: technically you can, but why would you want to?
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19:41.34f0rt3hm3hdvs: my kernel is 2.4.27 lol base install...
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19:41.44f0rt3hm3hdvs: will modprobe work ?
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19:41.49dvsf0rt3hm3h: it works with 2.4 too
19:41.56f0rt3hm3hdvs: ok
19:42.15davFrpeterS: because you have a binary module, which was build out of the kernel source tree, maybe?
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19:42.31davFrpeterS : eg. a proprietary kernel module
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19:42.38peterSdavFr: you still use modprobe.  if you haven't installed it yet into /lib/modules you do that first
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19:43.01scxa quote:  there's a n IRC channel for modem stuff ?
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19:43.22scx#linmodem  maybe ?
19:43.29davFrpeterS: interesting, i will investigate, as I work with proprietary kernel modules
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19:45.15LordNazguli was having some trouble with ipopd.  when i try to check mail with a client like outlook express for instance.  it doesnt let me log in.  just keeps asking for user and pass.  anyone have any ideas?
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19:45.51Bob332can someone help me with my networking, I have two interfaces, one on a private network, the other on a public address...i cant seem to ping the public address from the internet...and when the public address is UP, i cant reach the internet, when i take down the public interface, i CAN reach the internet via the private interface
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19:46.32SimonRavenyour routing sounds fucked, or one of the interfaces is misconfigured
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19:49.33MrBallZquestion:  I have two cd devices one is a DVD+R  and the other one is a DVD/CD-R  combo , the problem is that the combo is recognized as a cd rom only drive , and I want to burn with it, how can I change the settings so it gets recognized as a Combo
19:49.57SimonRaventry cdrecord -scanbus
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19:56.26abrotman!moo
19:56.26dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
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19:58.05whosurddywhat is the latest version of Gnome available for stable?
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19:58.46streuner!nospambots
19:58.46dpkg[nospambot] http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds
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19:59.05abrotmanwhosurddy: 2.8.{2,3}
19:59.07eXistenZWhich is better to use for sound output in xmms? the libalsa or the oss driver?
19:59.11abrotman!info gnome-panel sarge
19:59.14dpkggnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 892 kB
19:59.20dvsI don't use irssi
19:59.26DoppelGanger:-p
19:59.28whosurddyabrotman: thax..
19:59.29LordNazgulanyone know anything about ipopd, im having ome troubles
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19:59.32streunerwhosurddy: /msg dpkg backports
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19:59.59abrotmanstreuner : why?
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20:00.13streunerabrotman: backport for GNOME?
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20:00.15brittwhat does one use to organize MP3 and M4A files with?
20:00.24abrotmanstreuner: he didn't ask for one :)
20:00.34streunerabrotman: well...
20:00.36abrotmanbritt: ls, sort, awk ?
20:01.03minimecvaldyn, hi. You rember the mplayer-problem-guy :-) Still got the same problem. Could you give me your mplayer deb source please?
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20:01.51MrNikelHi I have a problem with apache2. I got a segfault when starting the daemon. Any idea where can I get the last revision? it changed today im on debian sid
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20:03.01brittabrotman: awk will take the files and put them into filders according to artist and album?
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20:03.19abrotmani was joking .. osrry
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20:04.04furrywolf_so, is "interface doesn't support scanning" a problem with my wireless card, or the linux driver?  :)
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20:04.47saloxinbritt: easytag + rhythmbox
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20:05.19nkuttlerMrNikel: sounds like you should downgrade rather, /msg dpkg bts, /msg dpkg snapshot
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20:06.39furrywolf_what good is a wireless card if I can't get a list of access points?  :)
20:06.51saloxinfurrywolf_: try kismet?
20:06.59dumezilcan anyone help me with autofs and automounting?  ive got the kernel module installed, ive got the package running and i think ihave the maps corrent, but its not automounting my drives...
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20:07.31zinosathow can I tell sed to ignore blank lines? here's an hex dump of the chars I want to ignore "00000000: 0a0a 0a0a 0a0a 0a0a 0a0a 0a0a 0a0a 0a0a  ................"
20:07.46abrotmangrep -v ^$ ?
20:07.49furrywolf_saloxin:  the problem is either my card or the driver won't scan, and google isn't helping me find which.
20:07.52abrotmanerr egrep
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20:08.11MrNikelHow can I downgrade my bike? I have an apache2 brand new bike, but is currently broken. When I try to ride it it just crashes. Any idea on how can I get the last bike I had from the apt-bike repository?
20:08.15saloxinfurrywolf_: what card?
20:08.20zinosatabrotman, good idea: it means exclude right?
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20:08.25furrywolf_sec, let me pop it out and get the number
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20:08.34abrotmanzinosat: yes ...
20:08.46MrNikelOoops, wrong channel
20:08.47dondelelcaroMrNikel: ? man apt-get and read about the = flag, or use aptitude; you may also need to look at snapshot.debian.net
20:08.48dvsMrNikel: Is a Harley?
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20:09.12zinosatabrotman, nice one: grep is fine
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20:09.19abrotmanok
20:09.19saloxinfurrywolf_: did google tell you which chipset it is?
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20:10.04furrywolf_there's several cards with the same number according to google, all with different chipsets...   dmesg mentions Prism I
20:10.35LordNazgulanyone know if it is possible to convert a fat partitioned disk to be able to run debian without losing the information on it?
20:10.44furrywolf_or Orinoco
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20:10.52twinseni'm having trouble installing my wireless card...  i have my windows driver installed through ndiswrapper, but iwconfig shows that I have no wireless devices
20:11.02furrywolf_not sure which either is, never having used wireless before.  :)
20:11.03nkuttlerLordNazgul: make backup, mkfs, restore backup
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20:11.19saloxinorinoco's are rock solid, prism II is the classic scanner cards. prism I I never touched :(
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20:11.24GathondLordNazgul: dont think so, if you mean converting the filesystem, although perhaps paritition magic can (its commercial though)
20:11.26LordNazgulthats what i was trying to avoidf i cant back up 240gb
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20:11.37saloxinfurrywolf_: which driver are you using?
20:11.42twinsentnet1130
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20:11.55GathondLordNazgul: debian can read FAT drives though
20:12.00furrywolf_saloxin:  orinoco_cs it looks like.
20:12.00nkuttlerLordNazgul: linux can read and write fat
20:12.04puffOn second thought, I was going to ask a question, but then I remembered this is freenode #debian.
20:12.05puffCiao.
20:12.11LordNazgulright but it cant run off of one can it?
20:12.20saloxinfurrywolf_: and iwlist eth? scan returns error?
20:12.26GathondLordNazgul: probably not realistically no
20:12.30LordNazgulok
20:12.37furrywolf_fresh sarge install (for the bloody FOURTH TIME...  note to self:  ibm travelstar drives are the least reliable crap made)
20:12.40furrywolf_yep
20:12.52LordNazgulthen ill stick with crappy windows on that machine until i can back it all up
20:12.55GathondLordNazgul: but there are several utils out there that can resize fat partitions
20:12.56saloxinfurrywolf_: try kismet?
20:13.05furrywolf_"Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported"
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20:13.17GathondLordNazgul: but as always that is risky buisness, so you should still take a backup if the data is important
20:13.23LordNazgulgathond: really, like what
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20:13.57GathondLordNazgul: partition magic as mentioned, and I believe parted (GNU) as well and Im pretty sure alot more
20:14.12LordNazgulkool ill look into them thx
20:14.26furrywolf_haven't tried kismet...  and no network to get it onto it.  sec, swapping back in the ethernet card.  :)
20:14.27GathondLordNazgul: but as said, if anything goes wrong your data is probably gone :)
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20:14.36LordNazgulundderstood
20:14.46Gathondso you really should back up anything really important stuff:)
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20:15.09ttzhi there
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20:15.33saloxinfurrywolf_: kismet has other ways than iwlist scan - so it might work. it lists wireless nets and info about them
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20:16.55furrywolf_the antenna on the wireless card and the pop-out jack on the ethernet card get in each other's way, so if the wireless is plugged in, the ethernet jack is blocked.  need to find an ethernet card with a dongle...
20:17.10ttzI'm trying to create a package that will add an alias to /etc/aliases.  I've initially done this with simple shell magic in my Makefile, but given that the file ${DESTDIR}/etc/aliases is going to be created during dpkg-buildpackage, the aliases file will be removed if I deinstall the package.  How can I handle this, please ?
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20:18.05saloxinfurrywolf_: gotta go afk. try kismet :-)
20:18.13yangWhat is wrong with my telnetd, I can log in without password supplied
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20:18.45furrywolf_saloxin:  I'll install it as soon as I find my other ethernet card.  :)
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20:20.23quietI am working on a new install and I just changed the apt sources from 'testing' to 'etch' and started to dist-upgrade and it stopped because of removing e2fsprogs...says to activate APT::Force-LoopBreak option....?
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20:22.23me_herequiet: just purge e2fsprogs before you dist-upgrade
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20:23.09me_herequiet: i did that once, and it installed without much errors i remember
20:23.23gnortyhi. Im quite new to debain, and having problems with apt. many packages I try to install are failing dependenciies, and I cant find the dependencies anywhere to install them
20:23.33OleMoudihow do I enable transparency on xorg?
20:23.41quietxcompmgr
20:23.48bombOleMoudi: you need transset and xcompmgr
20:23.53twinsenhow can I create a wlan0 device in debian?
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20:24.02furrywolf_kismet looks like it does a whole lot of stuff I don't need...  I just want a list of access points.  :)
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20:24.32quiettwinsen, it should just be seen as eth1 or whatever
20:24.39OleMoudibomb, what packages do I need? I havent xcompmgr installed and apt-cache search doesnt' show anything
20:24.57dvsOleMoudi: What about transset?
20:25.03bombOleMoudi: last time i played with those, i used an unofficial repository. Google it.
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20:25.28OleMoudioh ok, I thought they were official packages
20:25.49me_herecan i get say the testing version of just one package installed in a stable branch ?
20:25.56quietyes
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20:26.13bombme_here: using packages from other branches is generally a bad idea, but yes you can try
20:26.16quietadd the repo to apt.. install the pkg.. comment out the repo
20:26.23me_herequiet: just altering sources.list ?
20:26.28quietyes
20:26.31quietthen update
20:26.32quietinstall
20:26.32twinsenquiet:  iwconfig shows that that I have no wireless extensions
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20:26.36quietcomment out.. and update
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20:26.52quiettwinsen, what does ifconfig -a list?
20:26.55twinsenquiet:  ndiswrapper shows that I have my driver installed correctly
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20:27.13quietoh.. i don't know anything about ndiswrapper.. mine is suppored natively
20:27.23MasterChiefHi, I was just woundering if someone could help me with my problem. I want to replace gnome with KDE on my debian sytem. Thanks
20:27.25xerophytehow can i list all the open files for a certain process id with lsof ?
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20:27.29furrywolf_ok, kismet is already starting to annoy me by neading greatly excessive configuration...
20:27.38quietxerophyte, apt-get install kde?
20:27.43nkuttlerMasterChief: install kde and chose it as session in your dm?
20:27.49xerophytequiet, ???
20:27.54quietsorry wrong name
20:27.54nkuttlerMasterChief: /msg dpkg install kde
20:27.56quieti misread
20:28.04twinsenquiet:  eth[0-2] lo sit0
20:28.16quiettwinset you have a firewire?
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20:28.21twinsenno
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20:28.31quietthis a notebook?
20:28.34twinsenpc
20:28.43MasterChiefnkuttler: Thanks, I know how to get it installed, but how would I make that start at start up instead of gnome
20:28.57nkuttlerMasterChief: do you use gdm?
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20:29.12MasterChiefgdm?
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20:29.22MasterChiefsorry, im a newb.
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20:29.28nkuttlerMasterChief: how do you log into x?
20:29.29swardme_here: Better to check in backports, or build from the source package.  There is a different libc in testing than there is in stable which can cause problems.
20:29.51nkuttlerMasterChief: whatever you use, there should be a "session" menu or similar, chose kde there
20:30.06MasterChiefRight, ill check for that right now. Thanks
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20:30.26citralnkuttler: startx
20:30.36nkuttlercitral: ?
20:30.46citralsorry that was for MasterChief
20:31.01furrywolf_blah!  and after all that work, kismet won't work with orinoco cards without a patched kernel, and bloody hell am I compiling a 2.6 kernel for a pentium/120mhz laptop.
20:31.12nkuttlercitral: starting kde with startx is... complicated
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20:31.36citralkde is anyway... complicated to me
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20:31.42citraltoo heavy
20:31.49minimecHi. I have the mozilla-mplayer package installed in combination with a mplayer deb that I built myself. everything works great, besides the logical fact, that I have a dependency problem with the mozilla-mplayer.deb. Now I would like to isolate the mozilla-mplayer package to avoid the dep-problem Is that possible?
20:31.50MasterChiefHum, I can't find the sessions menu. I am running the version of gnome that game with the first release of sarge
20:31.59MasterChiefcame*
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20:32.59citralminimec: /msg dpkg hold
20:32.59MasterChieffound the sessions menu, now what?
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20:33.11nkuttlerMasterChief: read it?
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20:33.43auraxis there a good firewall guide outthere?
20:33.50auraxiptables
20:34.06nkuttleraurax: did you google "iptables howto"?
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20:34.21furrywolf_looks like I'm fucked unless I want to compile a custom 2.6 kernel...  2.6 is a little overkill for a pentium/120 laptop...  blargh.
20:34.21auraxno, i'm asking here if any of you know a good one
20:34.24auraxwithout me googling it
20:34.28MasterChiefRead what, all I get is a window with three tabs on top "Session Operations", "Current Session", "start up programs
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20:34.43citralaurax: pfff google iptables howto
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20:34.59nkuttler!tell aurax about fgi
20:35.10minimeccitral, do I use that when I install the mozilla-mplayer.deb? dpkg -i --force-depends /msg dpkg hold mozilla-mplayer.deb
20:35.40citralminimec: d'oh, just /msg dpkg hold in THIS window
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20:36.06minimeccitral, thx gonna check that out. :-)
20:37.05larrikinsomebody here knows kernel-wedge and/or some basic shell stuff ?  .. I've found /usr/share/kernel-wedge/commands/copy-modules is aborting with exit 1 at the line 'unset moddir_awk' @ 126 ??
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20:37.24citrallarrikin: trying to do what?
20:37.37MasterChiefAll I want to know is how to get rid of gnome and run kde.
20:37.51larrikinjust trying to use kernel-wedge to build some udebs for a custom install floppy set
20:37.51citral!remove gnome
20:37.51dpkgapt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest.
20:38.24MasterChiefOk, thats half
20:38.28MasterChiefof it
20:38.34larrikincitral: never done it before so..
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20:38.40citralapt-get install kde kdm after that
20:38.55MasterChiefI hope your right.
20:38.57meriadhow can I download an entire directory with FTP?
20:39.00MasterChiefIll give it a try
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20:39.24MasterChief!install kde
20:39.24dpkginstall kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less.
20:39.28nkuttlermeriad: that depends on your client, ncftp supports it afaik
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20:39.43citralgftp too
20:39.47meriadwhat about ftp ftp
20:39.49swardmeriad: Try ncftp or lftp
20:39.50nkuttlerwget even
20:39.51meriadi now olftp does
20:39.54meriadwget wo9uld work too
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20:40.07citralthey all do that...
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20:40.19fazlahi
20:40.19meriadhow do i do it with ncftp?
20:40.20fazlarpm2tgz the files in the folder "install" the sh script made and install them both.
20:40.24SimonRaven"you're"
20:40.26fazlawhat's mean :s
20:40.31nkuttlermeriad: a classical case of rtfm
20:40.37meriadheh
20:40.38fazlahttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176228
20:40.38meriadfair enuf
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20:40.39abrotmanfazla: what is your native language?
20:40.43citralget dir/
20:40.49fazlai'm try to install printer driver
20:40.51fazlaabrotman:  turkish
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20:40.58glmMercury: change into the directory, switch 'prompt' off, 'mget' your files
20:41.17abrotmanovely
20:41.27glmMercury: src
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20:41.44MrBallZquestion:  I have two cd devices one is a DVD+R  and the other one is a DVD/CD-R  combo , the problem is that the combo is recognized as a cd rom only drive , and I want to burn with it, how can I change the settings so it gets recognized as a Combo
20:41.47minimeccitral, Iam sorry but I do not understand, what you are meaning with '/msg dpkg hold' What do I have to do exactly?
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20:42.03citral/msg dpkg hold
20:42.07citralThat
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20:42.10citralhere
20:42.12citralnow
20:42.18fazlaabrotman: can you help me?
20:42.18SimonRaven!tr
20:42.18dpkgtrke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif
20:42.26abrotmanfazla: i dont' own a printer
20:42.26SimonRavenyeh thought so
20:42.38fazlayes but what's mean rpm2tgz
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20:42.41draskohi all. how to make emacs show line numbers?
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20:42.56citralgoogle
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20:44.28coolballit is an honor and a privilege to be on the same channel as the esteemed people who created Debian
20:44.35minimeccitral, I have learned something :-) THX
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20:45.02nkuttlercoolball: what channel are you talking about?
20:45.03SimonRavencoolball: um, ian isn't here right now
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20:45.24ttzFWIW, I found an answer to my question about the removal of aliases(5) upon deinstallation of the package : I use debian/{postinst,postrm}.
20:45.38nkuttler!debian history
20:45.38SimonRavenohnoz, i've been snuck up on
20:45.39dpkghmm... debian history is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history
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20:45.45SimonRaven;p
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20:45.55SimonRavenhi furrywolf_
20:45.56ttzbye guys
20:46.03furrywolf_long time no see
20:46.03blkroseHello all... I'm back with another newbie question... I installed SAMBA and I can see my debian box just fine with my windoze mechins.. but how can I browse the winblows mechines?  Is there like a "network neighborhood" for linux?
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20:46.22SimonRavenfurrywolf_: indeed. how you been?
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20:46.35furrywolf_crappy.  no job, no money, no one to snuggle, etc.
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20:46.46SimonRaveneh, same shit eh? :(
20:46.46nkuttlerblkrose: apt-cache search samba browse
20:46.48swardblkrose: Look for an SMB browser
20:46.54swardheh
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20:47.01SimonRavenhang in there buddy, it'll work out
20:47.04bombblkrose: gnome/nautilus has a built in samba client
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20:47.08hyperstreamhow can i setup multiple x sessoions. im logged into one atm. on account: hyper      ... then i hit alt + ctrl + f1 to go to console. i login at account: gamer then try startx and it says it fails due to one already running on display 0, how can i make it start so i can use it thru ctrl +alt + f8 where the hyper x session is running on alt+ctrl+f7
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20:47.22blkroseOk, sorry, I'm REAL new.. what is that and how can I get there?
20:47.31bombblkrose: are you using Gnome?
20:47.40blkroseno, kde
20:47.41mathieu__hyperstream:  X :1
20:47.42valdynhyperstream: startx -- :1
20:48.02blkroseDuh! I found it!
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20:48.24compguymacafternoon all
20:48.32citralmoin
20:48.41hyperstreamhmm do i need to set that in my xorg config?
20:48.44blkroseHmmm, no, I found my shares, but it doesn't list the windows mechines
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20:48.53hyperstreamlike an alternative display
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20:48.54mathieu__hyperstream: no
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20:49.09MasterChiefOk, I got rid of gnome and installed kde, how do I start it?
20:49.10citralthey aren't real mechines ;)
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20:49.12hyperstreamwell xgame also needs to start a xsession by itself
20:49.18hyperstreambut get the same issue
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20:49.42blkrosestartx should start the login.. right?
20:49.44mathieu__hyperstream: you could make a script that search for an already running X server, and than launch the other one on the 2nd display
20:49.47danieldgMasterChief: /etc/init.d/kdm start
20:49.49valdynhyperstream: xinit permits you to execute anything in that xserver - man xinit
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20:50.10P8ntkidDoes anybody now an irc client that can like pull down likie xmms does?
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20:50.15MasterChiefdanieldg, thanks, but now how to I get it to start at start up
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20:51.10SimonRavenP8ntkid: "pull down"? what, pants? menus?
20:51.18danieldgMasterChief: use update-rc.d
20:51.22citralbanana?
20:51.44blkroseIf I goto lan:/  I should see the whole network right?
20:51.55P8ntkidSimonRaven: you know how like xmms does the playlist thing. Where it can like minimize and pop back down when you click it
20:52.11SimonRavenoh. no idea.
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20:52.44fanmainzelP8ntkid: try using the "shade window" feature most recent windowmanagers offer
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20:52.54hyperstreamX: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
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20:53.00SimonRavenfanmainzel: yeh
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20:53.10MasterChiefdanieldg: How would I do it exactly, im kinda new.
20:53.19hyperstreamive done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common
20:53.23hyperstreamits set to console users
20:53.26P8ntkidfanmainzel: Oh ya, thanks
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20:53.46danieldgMasterChief: update-rc.d kdm start 99 2 3 4 5 . stop 10 0 1 6 .
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20:54.09nkuttlerMasterChief: what do you mean?
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20:54.30citral<PROTECTED>
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20:54.47citralpardon
20:55.18blkrosehow do I change my system's domain name? (I'm not running a internet facing network.. I just want my system to have a name basicaly)
20:55.31compguymacis there a goast for unix?
20:55.31valdynblkrose: vi /etc/hosts
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20:55.35compguymacghost
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20:55.43blkroseThanks valdyn
20:55.43valdynblkrose: er, edit /etc/hosts
20:55.45compguymacghost4unix
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20:55.57blkrose:) Ok thanks
20:56.19valdyncompguymac: we dont know windows, what is ghost?
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20:56.35danieldgcompguymac: for simple backup, just cp -a everything to another partition
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20:56.50blkrosewow, that errored in a big way  :(
20:56.54fazlawhere can i download lpadmin for debian ?
20:56.56f0rt3hm3hwhen i type "modprobe <path-to-module>/forcedeth.o" it gives me some error that it cant locate that file, but its there... i see it
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20:57.07compguymacwhen did i say anything about windows valdyn ? ghost is a program to make a mirror immage of a drive to another drive
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20:57.13valdynblkrose: hmm? how can editing /etc/hosts "error" ?
20:57.18compguymacdanieldg, thats not what im trying to do
20:57.21citral!nickometer f0
20:57.22dpkg'f0' is 22.000% lame, citral
20:57.29f0rt3hm3hfazla: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/webmin-lpadmin
20:57.29citral!nickometer f0rt3hm3h
20:57.35valdyncompguymac: yea, its probably windows software
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20:57.38blkroseit said "unknown mime-type
20:57.41compguymacvaldyn, its not
20:57.44danieldgcompguymac: dd if=/dev/hda of=drive.image
20:57.45citralyep, what I thought
20:57.46f0rt3hm3hfazla: is that what you need?
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20:58.00quietis it possible to dist-downgrade?
20:58.00fazlaf0rt3hm3h: no :(
20:58.00compguymacdanieldg, n/m thats not what im trying to do... lol
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20:58.01nkuttlerquiet: no
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20:58.30f0rt3hm3hcitral: i use windows now, couse i cant load my network card driver to have internet when im using debian ....
20:58.42f0rt3hm3hcitral: can you help me anyway?
20:58.45blkrosesaid no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
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20:58.59mathieu__f0rt3hm3h: what's your NIC?
20:59.11valdynblkrose: use your favourite editor and "edit" /etc/hosts
20:59.11f0rt3hm3hmathieu_: why?
20:59.12compguymachttp://fbim.fh-regensburg.de/~feyrer/g4u/
20:59.13citralf0rt3hm3h: if you change of nick, maybe... what card?
20:59.17nkuttlerblkrose: do you know how to use any text editor?
20:59.18valdyn!editor
20:59.18dpkgi guess editor is Something used to edit (change, create, modify, append, remove stuff from) files.  There are both text editors and binary editors.  vi and emacs (or flavors of same) are the standard *nix editors, though n00b5 might find nano, gedit, nedit, etc., more useful.  The usual difference between, say, an editor and a word processor is that editors _just_ do plain text.  See also binary editor.
20:59.19compguymacthats what im doing
20:59.21blkroseoh well, I can live with being on localhost.localdomain
20:59.24compguymactake a look
20:59.29mathieu__f0rt3hm3h: to see which module to load
20:59.45f0rt3hm3hmathieu_:what do you mean?
20:59.57blkroseYes, I casn use vi
21:00.00blkrosecan
21:00.04m2!binary editor
21:00.05dpkgsomebody said binary editor was (see also editor) an editor that can view, create, or modify binary files.  Eg:  bvi.
21:00.10mathieu__f0rt3hm3h: you have to load a specific module(driver in windows) to make your network card work
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21:00.12citralf0rt3hm3h: what kind of ethernet card do you have?
21:00.18m2hmm...
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21:00.33nkuttlerblkrose: man edit, edit is not an editor
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21:00.43f0rt3hm3hcitral: i have a MB asus chipset nforce2 with a build in network card
21:00.43blkroseah ok :)
21:00.50blkroseClue gained
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21:01.03sbkvaldyn: so to wrap things up -- I recreated the partition table for that problem partitions, by moving the entire thing 64 sectors -- and got both my filesystems back. yippie, I think.
21:01.23valdynsbk: wow nice )
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21:01.50mathieu__f0rt3hm3h: did you try ifconfig ? did you see eth0 ? if so, your network card was working, you only needed to set an ip
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21:02.13f0rt3hm3hmathieu_: i dont see eth0, i dont see any interface
21:02.21sbkvaldyn: yes -- happy now. I learnt something new about fdisk as well -- next time, I'll make sure I ask it to report informationby sectors rather than blocks. It decided to move the partition offsets by just enough that the block numbers were the same
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21:02.48mathieu__f0rt3hm3h: ok, so it's really a driver problem
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21:03.04mathieu__f0rt3hm3h: what does lspci give you?
21:03.16f0rt3hm3hmathieu_: yeah,  i know, thats why im asking
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21:03.27mathieu_f0rt3hm3h, the wrong mathieu
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21:03.40compguymaci downloaded a .iso image and want to burn it, how would i go about doing that on a debian system?
21:03.51blkroseOk, I'm in my /etc/hosts file.. it has an ip of 127.0.0.1  but thats not my mechine's ip.. should I change that to my real ip address?
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21:03.56EdLincompguymac: cdrecord
21:03.57viperhey which conf file controls the startup commands .. lots of stuff and modprobing happen at startup which I don`t need....
21:04.00compguymacif i try to double click the iso, it gives me: Unable to find Joliet SVD
21:04.01sktrdiehow do I add something to the boot level?
21:04.06EdLincompguymac: or one of its graphics front ends like k3b
21:04.09valdynblkrose: what "real" adress? do you have a local network?
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21:04.14f0rt3hm3hmathieu_: well i type lcpci -v, but i dont remmember all the things it said, and im under winXP now, since i dont have intenet under my debian
21:04.19blkroseYes, I'm on a home network
21:04.26nkuttlerblkrose: 127.0.0.1 is localhost, don't touch that entry
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21:04.28valdynblkrose: alright, you can use that IP then
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21:04.45mathieu__3 < mathieu_> f0rt3hm3h, the wrong mathieu
21:04.51valdynblkrose: and leave the localhost line aline
21:04.53valdynblkrose: and leave the localhost line alone
21:04.55sktrdiehow do I add a dameon to boot?
21:05.13mathieu__f0rt3hm3: ok, let's see, which kernel did you use?
21:05.14nkuttlersktrdie: man update-rc.d
21:05.15f0rt3hm3hoh...
21:05.22valdynblkrose: 192.168.1.1 host.domain host ( forexample )
21:05.27f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: 2.4.27
21:05.37f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: the one that comes with the base system
21:05.47blkroseok, well, thats the ip of my router.. shall I use THAT ip instead of mine?
21:05.58viperhey which conf file controls the startup commands .. lots of stuff and modprobing happen at startup which I don`t need....
21:06.01valdynblkrose: no, use your IP
21:06.02mathieu__f0rt3hm3: ouch, tru using a 2.6.x one instead
21:06.07blkroseah ok :)
21:06.11valdynblkrose: i cant guess your IPs, that was jsut an example..
21:06.17f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: is that going to help me?
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21:06.23blkroseyup.. np
21:06.29valdynblkrose: feel free to add an entry for your router though
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21:06.33mathieu__f0rt3hm3: yes, more chipset support
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21:06.53mathieu__f0rt3hm3: i'm having a lok at the kernel source about nforce2 chipset
21:06.56valdynblkrose: either way these entries are directly only used and valid from that host
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21:07.34f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: well i downloaded a builed kernel from debian.org , .deb file when i dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.8-smth.deb , it didnt work when i rebooted
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21:07.59beardy!doesn't work
21:08.00dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
21:08.24f0rt3hm3hbeardy: i go a kernel panic error
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21:08.30f0rt3hm3hbeardy: i got* a kernel panic error
21:08.30mathieu__f0rt3hm3: ok, so a base kernel didn't work, let's see something else, did you tru searching on google.fr/linux about this module ?
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21:08.48f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: yeah
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21:09.24f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: doesnt help
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21:09.46valdynviper: why do you think you dont need it?
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21:10.13beardyf0rt3hm3h: Which module do you need?
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21:10.47mathieu__f0rt3hm3: in fact, i'd need the result of lspci to help, cuz i don't see anything built in the kernel for nforce network chip
21:10.49f0rt3hm3hbeardy: well since i have a nforce2 chipset with build-in network card, i think i need forcedeth
21:11.00valdynf0rt3hm3h: are you upgrading from 2.4.x to 2.6.x and are trying to boot from a sata device?
21:11.02fkenhave you a nopaste server for me ?
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21:11.14f0rt3hm3hvaldyn: not sata, IDe
21:11.26valdynf0rt3hm3h: ok, that expludes one possible error.
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21:11.36fken!nopaste
21:11.36dpkgi heard nopaste is http://nopaste.snit.ch/ or http://pastebin.com/
21:11.39meriadexpludes?
21:11.42fkenthank you
21:11.46valdynexcludes
21:11.48fazladebian:/usr/lib# /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p Lexmark_X1180 -E -v usb:/dev/usb/lp0 -m Lexmark-Z600-lxz600cj-cups.ppd
21:11.52fazlalpadmin: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused
21:11.52f0rt3hm3hvaldyn: i get a kernel panic error
21:11.54meriadok, just makking sure =
21:11.55fazlacan you help me about this ?
21:12.04blkroseHmmm, I still can't see my windows mechines on my network  :(
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21:12.19mathieu__f0rt3hm3: a kernel panic? when?
21:12.21valdynf0rt3hm3h: yea, i saw, but im sure there's more error messages, that panic is just what your kernel does b/c of some error
21:12.26meriadBadOxygen: your breath that bad?
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21:12.43mathieu__blkrose: have you checked the firewall?
21:12.52hcyhi, what do i need to apt-get to be an nfs client?
21:12.56blkroseI don't think I'm running a firewall
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21:13.09f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: when i try to boot after installing the builded kernel
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21:13.11mathieu__hcy: nfs already included in the kernel i think
21:13.12valdynblkrose: you use konqueror for this?
21:13.16blkroseyes
21:13.23f0rt3hm3hvaldyn: i get smth about IRQ7 i think
21:13.38valdynblkrose: try smb://192.168.1.x/ ( or whatever your windows IP is
21:13.43mathieu__f0rt3hm3: it shouldn't do a kernel panic for this, it's very unusal, did you compile your module cleanly?
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21:14.07m2hcy: nfs-common
21:14.25mathieu__blkrose: want to mount windows share on your linux box? do you see your windows box with ping for example?
21:14.36f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: that module is included in the 2.4.27 kernel... and i think in the 2.6.8 kernel
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21:14.54hcymathieu__: i tried mount <computer>:<directory> <local mountpoint>  and the mount command just hung.  Even ctrl-c wouldn't work on it. I closed that terminal window, and the 'mount' command still shows up in 'ps aux | grep mount' and i can't even kill it.
21:15.12mathieu__f0rt3hm3: in a 2.6.X, hotplug should detect your NIC and load the appropriate module at boot time
21:15.13f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: any idea if this will help me
21:15.14BadOxygenmeriad , thats what people say about it
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21:15.20f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: http://www.colorfullife.com/~manfred/Linux-kernel/forcedeth/
21:15.34f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: i cant boot anyway
21:15.45mathieu__hcy: tried kill -9 pid ?
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21:15.54hcymathieu__: yes, that didn't work either
21:15.56mathieu__f0rt3hm3: why can't u boot?
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21:16.06thecoolestcowhey, what would i need to setup a HP USB scanner?
21:16.07blkroseack!  How do I stop a ping once it starts?  (sorry, I'm real new to linux)
21:16.16valdynf0rt3hm3h: try adding acpi=off to your kernel command line in your boot manager, see if you're hitting that bug.
21:16.19hcythecoolestcow: probably an HP USB scanner
21:16.21f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: becouse i get a kernel panic error and smth about irq7
21:16.22thecoolestcowblkrose:try pressing ctrl+c
21:16.23mathieu__blkrose: CTRL + C
21:16.26skippyHi, Where I found a french canal for Debian???
21:16.30m2hcy: please install nfs-common
21:16.32valdynf0rt3hm3h: also pci=noapic
21:16.34blkroseTHANBK YOU! :)
21:16.35mathieu__f0rt3hm3: it's an hardware pb than
21:16.37thecoolestcowhcy: funny
21:16.39hcym2: i'm doing it now...
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21:16.48paulswm!tell skippy about fr
21:16.49mathieu__skippy: ici  :-)
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21:17.12thecoolestcowwhat would i need to set up my HP USB scanner in debian? what package?
21:17.26m2hcy: and sorry as I am about saying this, you'll need to reboot to get rid of that process
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21:17.37mathieu__thecoolestcow: try sane
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21:17.43skippymerci mathieu__
21:17.46bemused0is there a way to make an xterm/eterm/konsole or some other terminal program appear IN the desktop (ie no window pane, just built into desktop, like an applet)
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21:17.50Gnea!sane
21:17.50dpkgScanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/
21:17.52mathieu__skippy: tu vx savoir koi?
21:17.55blkroseOk... when I goto smb://192.168.mywinip I can see the mechine!
21:17.58f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: i dont think it is, i had no problem when using fedora4, but i dont like that distro so i moved to debian
21:18.03nahuelthere is a list of sofware missing in debian and in needing of a mantainer to package it ?
21:18.10nahueli mean, wished packages
21:18.12m2bemused0: sure, remove window decorations.
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21:18.16valdyn!wnpp
21:18.17dpkghmm... wnpp is Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list, at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, or if you miss a package in debian, use the WNPP to request it.
21:18.18Gneanahuel: probably
21:18.18paulswm!tell mathieu__ about fr
21:18.22velenoanyone using fourier.sty in debian ?
21:18.24nahuelvaldyn: tnx
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21:18.28m2bemused0: and setup background to fit
21:18.36mathieu__f0rt3hm3: like you were told earlier, did u try passing pci=noapic to the kernel when booting?
21:18.40skippymathieu__,  J'ai un pb avec mùa souris et je n'arrive pas a m'en depatouiller
21:18.50blkroseIs there a way I can mount it so I don't have to use konqueror to browse it?
21:18.52EdLin!u
21:18.52dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
21:18.53CypricusAny expert in routes here can help me with ipsec and 3 networks ? Two over ipsec and the last one over a lp circuit
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21:18.57paulswmsjippy:  not here, #debian-fr
21:19.00CypricusThanks anyway
21:19.00paulswmskippy:  not here, #debian-fr
21:19.04mathieu__skippy: kel pb?
21:19.08f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: how exactly do i do that?
21:19.10bemused0m2: i was thinking more of a desktop applet, so its only in focus when the desktop is visible, (something that DOESNt behave like a window)
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21:19.19necroshinehi! just updatet my testing-system to gnome 2.10 - and now the fontsize of my icons in Nautlilus Icon View is very small (maybe 2). All other fonts are ok. What can I do?
21:19.20f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: ask for a grub command line?
21:19.22chance2105I have a complex situation, not sure where to look for info.  Two emulators (fceu, zsnes) on debian sarge box .. when they go fullscreen, hardlock the machine.  Where should I be looking for info?
21:19.24bemused0cant find anything smilar for kde or superkaramba
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21:19.38viperhey which conf file controls the startup commands .. lots of stuff and modprobing happen at startup which I don`t need....
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21:19.56m2bemused0: you don't want it to take focus at all?
21:20.04m2bemused0: ah, sorry, parse error.
21:20.07valdynblkrose: mount -t smbfs -o username=foo,password=bar //192.168.1.x/share /mnt/whatever
21:20.11skippymathieu__, Ben j'ai recuperer une souris Mac à un bouton et je n'arrive pas à emuler le second avec le clavier comme sous Mac
21:20.14mathieu__f0rt3hm3: in grub, edit your line, and add pci=noapic   , it should give you something like:  /boot/your_kernel_image    initrd=/boot/your_initrd    pci=noapic   more options
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21:20.32f0rt3hm3hmathieu__: thanks
21:20.35bemused0m2, well take curser focus to enter text, but not to jump to front
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21:20.40galaadhi all
21:20.44EdLin!tell skippy about fr
21:20.45m2bemused0: "always sunken", "no window decorations"
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21:20.52bemused0m2, ill try that thnx
21:20.53compguymacopenoffice.org question... why when i paste text in there it puts </p> and <p> everywhere and all this other jiberish
21:21.00abrotman#debian-oo
21:21.02abrotmanand because it's html
21:21.03mathieu__skippy:  t'a regarde la doc de xorg ?
21:21.14mathieu__skippy: paske la g pas d'idee
21:21.17m2bemused0: pretty easy to do with Window Maker.  I image other window managers can be set up for such a thing, too.
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21:21.18abrotmanhey .. we have a french channel for that!
21:21.23blkrosevaldyn: Thanks!
21:21.23EdLin!tell mathieu__ about fr
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21:21.38galaadbye all
21:21.39mathieu__EdLin: i know, thanks, but i prefer staying here
21:21.49ijurisic.
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21:22.04paulswmmathieu__: Then speak English here, not French
21:22.08abrotmanmathieu__: no .. really .. do not speak french in here please
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21:22.16bemused0m2, ya im tinkering with it, I use kde 3.4 right now that or fluxbox
21:22.21mathieu__paulswm: ok, no problem
21:22.22skippyJ'ai matté c'elle de XFree mais pas de trace de ce qui m'interesse, ou je n'ais pas su regarder.
21:22.29abrotmanskippy: do not speak french in here
21:22.33abrotman!fr
21:22.33dpkgLes personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr
21:22.37e1vish
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21:22.38mathieu__skippy: sorry dude, can no longer speak french
21:22.46abrotmanyou can .. but in #debian-fr
21:22.47paulswmskippy: en Anglais, ou /j #debian-fr
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21:23.18abrotmanargh!
21:23.24MrBallZwhat is the default file system for Mac hard drives,  I need to mount a usb mac hard drive ...
21:23.25streunerheh
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21:23.37m2MrBallZ: HPFS?
21:23.38nkuttlerMrBallZ: hfs
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21:23.42abrotmanfdisk -l
21:23.44EdLinhfs+
21:23.45m2ah, what he said.
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21:23.50MrBallZso ...  mount -t hfs
21:23.54MrBallZis that so ?
21:23.58EdLinhpfs is something else (OS/2)
21:24.03abrotmanfdisk -l
21:24.13e1vishow much space do i need on a laptop for a small install of debian with X?
21:24.15m2EdLin: yes, I always mix them up.
21:24.21skippymathieu__,  bon, on me fait comprendre que je ne doit pas parler français, donc je vais sur debian-fr comme on me le preconise
21:24.25nkuttlerMrBallZ: why don't you try it
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21:24.29streunere1vis: uhm, 500 MB?
21:24.31MrBallZthe thing is that it seems to be going bad ...
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21:24.42EdLin!shoot skippy
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21:24.45streunere1vis: but that's without KDE/GNOME ...
21:24.46scxHey guys:
21:24.46scx1) I have 8 computers (all them equal)
21:24.47scx2 ) I have configured 1 comp. dualboot. Everything configured and ready.
21:24.47scx3) I want to load the sistem saved with partimage, remotelly trought netboot
21:24.47scxWhat do I need to do for ?
21:24.47hcynice, working now :) thanks!
21:24.51e1visstreuner: very reasonable, thanks!
21:24.54nkuttler!tell scx about flood
21:25.08schrankwandHi, do somebody know a runlevel-manager for debian like rc-update for gentoo?
21:25.22abrotmanupdate-rc.d
21:25.27mfrischDoes anyone use a cisco vpn? Is it possible to connect?  I saw a client in sources do I need that?
21:25.29e1visstreuner: how much with KDE/Gnome? approximately...
21:25.29m2scx: pretty much what you already said.
21:25.35scxok ok
21:25.42scxsorry
21:25.44streunere1vis: both are over 200 MB nowadays
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21:26.04e1visstreuner: great, thanks!
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21:26.06m2scx: is the image configured to obtain it's IP via DHCP?
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21:26.33apprenticeanyone speak latin
21:26.37scxyes
21:26.40abrotmannot here .. see if there's a #latin
21:26.42scxDHCP
21:26.42paulswme1vis: Probably 2GB
21:26.51Cypricusi have two networks using ipsec to connect one 192.168.1.0 the other 192.168.2.0 each one see the other, but now over the 192.168.1.0 part i need see a 192.168.3.0 route that comes from a cisco connected directly using 192.168.1.254 in this net. Ok from 192.168.1.1 i can see 192.168.3.0, but how make 192.168.2.0 that is just connected over ipsec and can see 192.168.1.0 see 192.168.3.0 too ?? HELP !!! If anyone know please thanks alot !!!
21:27.02abrotmanguess not
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21:27.16e1vispaulswm: you think, that much?
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21:27.21m2scx: then you are probably set up.  Do you have a specific problem or are you just checking that that's ok?
21:27.21kadookaoi
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21:27.24kadooka[ci
21:27.26kadookatah ai?
21:27.35scxohh
21:27.37e1vispaulswm: just for personal use on a laptop
21:27.39blkrose<PROTECTED>
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21:27.42paulswme1vis: Yes, with X, KDE and Gnome
21:27.45blkrosein order to mount it
21:27.48scx<PROTECTED>
21:27.48valdynblkrose: nope, not exactly
21:27.55clonecoloroi meu amor
21:27.58kadookaoi
21:28.00schrankwandhow can I make that sed finds <a>text</a> by /<a>.*?<\/a>/ ?
21:28.02scxIt has a woody anad upgraded to sarge
21:28.10kadookatd baum?
21:28.18scxso, noe the client does not boot
21:28.18blkroseI must be doing something wrong then.. it won't mount it
21:28.24e1vispaulswm: well, i've got it, so I suppose I better budget the 2 Gigs then.
21:28.25clonecolortudo otimo
21:28.31kadookaq baum
21:28.31e1visthanks guys
21:28.33thingfish!br
21:28.33dpkgPor favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:28.39valdynblkrose: you can mount it w/o editing /etc/fstab , that file is for automatically mounting on boot
21:28.40clonecolorte amooooooooooooooooooooo
21:28.44kadookatbm te amoooo
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21:28.50thingfishloucura...
21:28.55clonecolorq da horinha..
21:28.55paulswme1vis: You'll need at least 1GB /usr, maybe you can get away with 1.5 GB but that's kind of pushing it
21:29.01clonecolorsera
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21:29.10EdLinI know the big UN meeting is being held soon, is that why people aren't using English here?
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21:29.22blkroseyeah, thats what I thought.. but its not letting me mount it for some reason.. oh well, I'll just do it the old fashoned way hehe.. thanks for all the help!
21:29.36nkuttlerEdLin: ich weiss nicht...
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21:29.38e1vispaulswm: ok, I can handle it. :-)
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21:29.47paulswmEdLin: No, I think it's just idiocy :)
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21:30.14EdLinnkuttler: icky white night? Not really, its still daytime here though the heat *is* icky.
21:30.14fazladebian:/# gtklp -h usb:/dev/usb/lp0
21:30.14fazla** (process:4827): WARNING **: Unable to connect to Server usb:/dev/usb/lp0 !
21:30.21fazlacan you help me ?
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21:30.53blkroseI'll just create bookmarks in my konqueror for my network locations ;)
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21:31.13EdLin!start a wm war
21:31.14dpkgwmaker sucks!
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21:31.27EdLindpkg: no it doesn't
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21:31.35dracdpkg: that's right
21:31.38drac;)
21:31.52Rucas_does anyone know of any free software similar in function to plesk (webhosting control panel)
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21:32.09randomityRucas_: try webmin
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21:32.17EdLin!webmin
21:32.17dpkgwebmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on.  Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server."
21:32.22Rucas_webmin isn't really what i'm looking for
21:32.34nkuttlerwebmin? webhosting?
21:32.42randomityusermin
21:33.11mathieu__m
21:33.11Rucas_you don't have much experience with plesk do you
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21:33.37nkuttlerRucas_: did you search fs.net?
21:33.46mfrischRucas_ has apache virtual hosting setup, goto sourceforge I think I have seen something there.
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21:34.00nkuttlerRucas_: sf.net even
21:34.01blkroseok, just a quick question and I'll stop bugging you all.. is there a log file of the startup process.. I have some errors when I boot but they go by so fast I can't catch what they are.. and it would be nice to see
21:34.20colbyblkrose: check dmesg (/var/log/dmesg or the dmesg command)
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21:34.28Rucas_i'll give it a shot, just though someone in here might have experience with a particular one :)
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21:34.42blkroseOk, thanks a bunch everyone!
21:34.50clonecoloroi meu gatinho
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21:34.58colbyblkrose: otherwise, try some of the other log files in /var/log for other service information (not system/kernel stuff)
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21:35.13jeff_hannhello
21:35.36kadookaoii
21:35.38kadookaamoir
21:35.39clonecolorfalando ai em ingles..
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21:35.45blkroseI think this is a stupid question but.. are all the logs stored in /var/log?
21:35.45antineutrinohi everyone. I'm a bit lost. I need help with mailman on debian. where should I ask? thanks.
21:35.56kadookaeu ingres
21:35.56clonecolor..eh gente eh
21:35.59kadookakkkkk
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21:35.59clonecoloroi amorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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21:36.04jeff_hanni was wondering...does anyone here know if i have a chance of printing under debian on my canon s200x?
21:36.10clonecolorhello
21:36.13clonecolorhi
21:36.14kadookahello
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21:36.20clonecolorare you ok
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21:36.28Rucas_ravencore looks promising
21:36.32clonecolori love you
21:36.37clonecolormorzim
21:36.42streuner!ops can we get rid of clonecolor and kadooka, they have the both IP and flood us?
21:36.43clonecolormeu morzim
21:36.43dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: can we get rid of clonecolor and kadooka, they have the both IP and flood us
21:36.43kadookai love you too
21:36.49bombwtf
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21:36.59clonecolorqdo q agnt vai se bja heim
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21:37.07kadookasei la
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21:37.14nkuttlerclonecolor: kadooka: stop trolling
21:37.15kadookaagora?
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21:37.18clonecolortanto faz
21:37.22kadookaagora?
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21:37.26clonecolorvem..
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21:37.40streunerthanks dondelelcaro
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21:37.49dondelelcarostreuner: np
21:37.55cr3how can apt-get upgrade download the latest version of mozilla-firefox, I still have 1.0.4. By the way, apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox returns 1.0.4-2sarge3 for Installed and Candidate.
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21:38.20dondelelcarocr3: by using the = option to apt-get; you may need to use snapshot.debian.net
21:38.21EdLincr3: it actually is 1.06 with the old version number.
21:38.31Gneacr3: apt-get update
21:38.43cr3Gnea: I did that before apt-get upgrade
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21:38.59Gneacr3: just making sure
21:39.04mathieu__cr3: sarge only has got 1.0.4, you need testing or unstable for 1.0.6
21:39.12cr3dondelelcaro: = option?
21:39.14Gneaor a backport
21:39.21Gnea!backport
21:39.21dpkgi guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>
21:39.25scxmoment...
21:39.44EdLincr3: according to the security announce mailing list, 1.04 = 1.06 in Sarge, don't ask me why they are too chicken now to change the version number.
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21:39.55dondelelcaroEdLin: it's not quite 1.06...
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21:39.58cr3mathieu__: what are the implications of using testing or unstable alongside sarge? will apt-get update change my whole system to testing or unstable?
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21:40.12randomityDoes sarge still use the 2.4 kernel?
21:40.18EdLindondelelcaro: that was true for sarge2, but for sarge3 they are the same, according to the mailing list.
21:40.18cr3EdLin: oh, that is indeed weird.
21:40.27streunerrandomity: 2.6 as well
21:40.29Gnearandomity: it uses 2.4 or 2.6
21:40.44Gnea2.4 is default, but 2.6 with the linux26 option at installtime
21:40.45mathieu__cr3: yes, and it's more unstable, and less secure(it's bleeding edge, but you've got up to date softwares)
21:40.51randomitythanks
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21:41.34dondelelcaroEdLin: from what I remember, they didn't update the $Id$ strings amongst other things... but then again, I personally haven't looked at the diffs.
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21:41.49cr3mathieu__: ok, I was just wondering if I was doing something wrong or not doing something on my installation of sarge. seems like everything is in order if I choose to remain stable.
21:41.56LordNazgulquestion with Apache2
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21:42.25LordNazgulwith Apache, I could change to the document root directory in httpd.conf
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21:42.34LordNazgulwhere do i change it in apache2
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21:42.43mathieu__cr3: you've got 'secure' apps with sarge, as it's stable
21:42.54streunerLordNazgul: /etc/apache2
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21:43.05EdLindondelelcaro: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2005/msg00182.html
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21:43.19EdLindondelelcaro: it claims it's the same.
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21:43.30cr3mathieu__: heh, nice way of putting it, I understand ;)
21:43.55dondelelcaroEdLin: it claims it's "basically the same"... [and I'm claiming it's not quite the same...]
21:44.00LordNazgulstreuner: httpd in that folder is just a placeholder file it sez.  where are all of the configurations for the server. i want the webpage to be located elsewhere from /var/www
21:44.07EdLindondelelcaro: OK, "basically" the same. :-)
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21:44.14dondelelcaroEdLin: these aren't really in opposition.
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21:44.48mathieu__cr3: the former stable, woody, was way too old and had really old packages, the new stable(sarge) was released few months ago (woody was released on 2002...)
21:44.48EdLindondelelcaro: which just happens to break getting extentions and the like for it.
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21:45.34streunerLordNazgul: apache2.conf
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21:45.39dondelelcaroEdLin: could be... but the real reason why the version number is the same is because of the sheer number of packages which depend upon mozilla browser, and upstream's lack of desire to go to anything sane as far as distributing separate packages.
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21:45.54LordNazgulthanx, i just figured it out anyhow.  oh well
21:45.55streunerLordNazgul: its in /etc/apache2/
21:46.17EdLindondelelcaro: yes, they used to do a "stable", actually several stable, branches with seamonkey
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21:46.51EdLin(refering to upstream)
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21:51.45key2how can I tell debian to add the dev mouse ?
21:51.55key2because my mouse is not recognized
21:52.03streunerusbmouse?
21:52.10key2no
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21:52.12EdLinkey2: not recognized by what? What kind of mouse do you have?
21:52.16key2ps2
21:52.18key2normal
21:52.27key2but I didnt have it plugged when I installed debian
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21:52.30streuner/dev/psaux
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21:52.57key2yes I have /dev/psaux
21:52.58streunerjust re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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21:53.19mathieu__key2 : /dev/input/mice
21:53.35kenboowhere can i ask about mpi?
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21:54.45beardykenboo: mpi?
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21:55.38sshieldsI'm using sid and I'd like to install an older version of a package (roll back from .8 to .7), where would I go to read about doing this?
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21:55.43streunerkey2: what kernel do you have? 2.6=
21:55.54beardysshields: Google?
21:56.09nkuttlersshields: /msg dpkg snapshot
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21:56.29sshieldsbeardy: was having trouble asking the right question of the Google Oracle, apparently.
21:56.32sshieldsnkuttler: tahnks
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21:57.44EdLinmsg dpkg snapshot
21:57.47sshieldsthat did it, thanks.
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21:57.50EdLinoops
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21:59.03nottyhow can i search for a filename in the pkg database ?
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21:59.19paulswmnotty: with apt-file search
21:59.30BobbyGracenotty: apt-cache search
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22:00.00nottypaulswm: in what pkg can i find that utility ?
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22:00.24vladuz976anybody know what lXxf86vm is?
22:00.36paulswmnotty: apt-file :)
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22:01.44beardyvladuz976: Sounds like a virtual machine. Google.
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22:04.25tHiaGu_hello, people i need to include a file ( part of configuration ) into squid.conf, but command include dont work, can help me? the files of configuration is gerenrate of dinamic aplication web.
22:04.39eeyore-vladuz976: gimme some context
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22:06.04vladuz976eeyore-, trying to install e17, compiling the libs and i got an error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm
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22:06.32streunere17 isn't in debian, try #e
22:06.52streuneror #ubuntu :-)
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22:07.12mfrische17?
22:07.27streunerenligtenment
22:07.31vladuz976streuner, i installed t from source
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22:07.38streunerpopular wm
22:07.50streunersure
22:07.51mfrischooh ugg
22:08.14streuner!e17
22:08.14dpkgDon't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17
22:08.22bob2install xlibs-dev, for a start
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22:08.27eeyore-vladuz976: you use xorg?
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22:08.40vladuz976eeyore-, yes
22:09.01eeyore-vladuz976: i've got mine :-)  maybe try to install the xorg package that contain the libraries maybe?  which version of xorg?
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22:09.12viperwtf has samba changed the past few months ?? I`m using the exact same config file I used before my hdd format but now other computers don`t even see the share!
22:09.36eeyore-vladuz976: ls /usr/X11R6/lib/libX*vm*
22:09.51eeyore-vladuz976: *don't* show me output, just tell me if you have the *.so file :-)
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22:10.20eeyore-viper: are they in the same workgroup?
22:10.33vladuz976eeyore-, there is many of *.so files
22:10.37eeyore-viper: more details would help
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22:10.58streunervladuz976: what distro are you running?
22:11.00eeyore-vladuz976: libX*vm*?  matches MANY so files?  you're kidding me, right?
22:11.07vipereeyore- yea... in the log I see this .. : user guest in passdb, but getpwnam() fails!
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22:11.45eeyore-viper: that's probably for guest shares, doesn't tell me anything
22:11.48vladuz976eeyore-, well there is libXxf86vm.so.1 and .so.1.0
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22:12.06eeyore-vladuz976: install the corresponding -dev package, that'll give you the .so file you need for linking
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22:12.36vladuz976eeyore-, i can't find that package
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22:12.45eeyore-vladuz976: look harder, over and out
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22:13.05vipereeyore- more the log doesn`t say ... computers don`t see the share and if I try to get in by typing the ip they can`t enter .. don`t even ask for login.. just say the computer can`t be found
22:13.25baikonurhi
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22:14.37baikonurI would like to know, how I do the following (LILO) with grub: "other=/dev/hdb1 \  label=Win98 \ map-drive = 0x80 \ to = 0x81 \  map-drive = 0x81 \ to = 0x80"?
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22:14.54vladuz976eeyore-, found
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22:15.46vladuz976eeyore-, that did it. thanks for the help
22:15.55dfinn_can someone tell me what the ds module does?
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22:16.28alejohia, im trying to install debian to a free ext2 space i have in my linux gentoo..the partitionig tool tells me it will format as i want that ext2 to reiserfs, but it also want to format the swap partition that i use for gentoo
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22:16.36fazlahi
22:16.39alejowill this break my previous install?
22:16.51fazlawhen i try to print a page with kwrite i'm getting "client-error-document-format-not-supported "  this error
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22:16.54fazlawhat can i do ?
22:16.55mathieu__alejo: no
22:17.01dondelelcaroalejo: formatting the swap partition won't do anything
22:17.27alejonot even chage or affect grub
22:17.29alejo?
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22:17.51mathieu__alejo: no, it will keep the same partition nmber
22:17.55dondelelcaroalejo: that's a different story, the installer will install grub with a slightly different configuration to the mbr if you let it, and detect and boot gentoo
22:18.15dondelelcaro(assuming of course that you're using a different /boot)
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22:18.35vipereeyore- wait a minute .. smbd automaticly quits .... I can start it .. no errors but it is not shown in ps x ... also no error message in syslog or samba`s own log .. how could that be ?
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22:19.42RhaedasNovice question: I can't figure out how to stop X Windows and get to just a command line to change some graphic drivers. I don't see an option to do this at the Gnome login screen.
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22:19.59paulswmbaikonur: title whatever \ root (hd1,0) \ map (hd0) (hd1) \ map (hd1) (hd0) \ savedefault \ makeactive \ chainloader +1 or something like that, consult the grub info doc
22:20.05phoggRhaedas: CTRL+ALT F1
22:20.07dslspyRhaedas: ctrl-alt-f1
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22:20.20Rhaedasf1...okay. Thanks.
22:21.07GuerinRhaedas: don't use the nvidia installer from nvidia.com
22:21.07alejodongel, mathieu thanks...one last Q just to learn..so the mbr is in the boot partition, and as long as i avoid to install a new grub i will be able to just edit my grub.conf and point it to this new debian system...but how can i avoid the partition utility of not writing to the mbr?
22:21.07Guerinand in any case, ctrl+alt+f1 won't fix that issue
22:21.26Guerin!tell Rhaedas about nvidia one liner
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22:21.48trodriguesnvidia one liner
22:21.56dondelelcaroalejo: it asks you how you want to install the bootloader; just tell it not to install one.
22:21.57trodriguesoh, sorry
22:22.02phoggRhaedas: after that log in, /etc/init.d/[xkg]dm stop ; killall XFree86 Xorg
22:22.33alejodondel, k, merci
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22:23.08mathieu__alejo: bonne chance :-)
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22:24.26nvzrebooty, is that like what you call it if you had that booty before...
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22:25.54SimonRavennvz: yup
22:26.31reezeha quick way to find + mount FAT + ntfs partitions?
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22:26.59streunertry fdisk -l
22:27.08Guerinreezeh: /msg dpkg vfatrw will tell you how to mount them
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22:27.16reezehk ta
22:27.37evolhi, how do I set the time in debian?
22:27.51Guerinevol: date
22:27.51streunerevol: just install ntpdate
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22:28.00mathieu__evol : date -s the_date
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22:28.06baikonurpaulswm: thank you
22:28.12alejonaa, i dont understand...the installer tells me: no root filesystem is defined, but i have already another /root in the hda (the root for gentoo) that is #1 and im trying to partition #4 as reiserfs for debian..
22:28.15ryan_how do you change a debian system's doamin name?
22:28.36evolmathieu__ copy the string and change it to what I want?
22:28.46mathieu__alejo: you need to tell the installer that hda4 is your / partition
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22:29.06yacoobF1 :(
22:29.09mathieu__evol: yes, for example  date -s 00:300     here
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22:29.12yacoobtwo boxes behind the same hw router (asmax 804 br) - one linux, one windows
22:29.12streunerryan_: man hosts, man hostname
22:29.19yacoobon linux box, every ssh connection is resetted by peer, when I generate more traffic
22:29.19mathieu__evol: yes, for example  date -s 00:30    sorry
22:29.25yacoobsimilar ssh connection (to the same server) stays on on windows box
22:29.25paulswmbaikonur: You're welcome :)
22:29.32yacoobmy guess is, network parameters are different, but which ones? :/
22:29.38yacoob(mtu is the same, ecn is off, syncookies is off)
22:29.42yacoobAny ideas? :/
22:29.50alejomathieudz, so i did now im installing the base system
22:29.51evoland it will understand that I only want to change the time?
22:29.52mathieu__paulswm: and french guys are told not to be polite   :-)
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22:30.04mathieu__evol: yes
22:30.09streuneryacoob: so you are using ipmasq?
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22:30.23yacoobstreuner: at the router, yup. Not on the box.
22:30.29streunersure
22:30.30SimonRavenalejo: *bzzt* it means /, not /root. /root is root's home dir...
22:30.34evolmathieu__ now it thinks it Tue Sep 13 00:30:00 CEST 2005 =)
22:30.38evolone day wrong
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22:30.44UnWorldlyI have a friend who has a usb hard drive, partitioned fat32, which is full of files I want, he will bring it to me in a couple days, how do I prepare my system (default sarge install) so that it will be ready to copy stuff from the drive?
22:30.55SimonRavenevol: so fix it...
22:31.01streuneryacoob: ecn is a http thingie...
22:31.05paulswmmathieu__: Heh - but I'm not French, I'm Welsh
22:31.05GuerinUnWorldly: make sure it has a usb port
22:31.12evolSimonRaven I'm trying to... =)
22:31.12SimonRavenit's a TCP thingie
22:31.14mathieu__evol: try date -s '1 day'
22:31.20streuner:-P
22:31.23SimonRaven;)
22:31.26UnWorldlyI mean as far as obtaining the necessary moduels so it can mount
22:31.35mathieu__paulswm: oops, sorry dude, wrong assert   :-)
22:31.37UnWorldlyis that all I need is to just plug it in and mount?
22:31.40yacoobstreuner: I'd say rather it's tcp thingie, but still - it's off.
22:31.41GuerinUnWorldly: if you're using a debian kernel, it's all there
22:31.48alejoSimonRaven, i think i understand..but is confusing since many people refers to / as root..so /root will be redundant(?)
22:31.51beardyUnWorldly: Hopefully.
22:31.56streuneryacoob: well, try it then
22:32.02paulswmmathieu__: :)  No problem, we people from Pays des Galles are nice :)
22:32.05UnWorldlythats alot easier than I thought it would be, fun stuff
22:32.10Guerinalejo: /root is something different
22:32.16mathieu__alejo: the root filesystem in a linux box is /  , /root is just a directory
22:32.18SimonRavenalejo: they'll say "root's home" or "root's home dir" when they mean /root
22:32.36mathieu__paulswp: it's Pays de Galles, no s   ;-)
22:32.37SimonRavenmathieu__: not just linux, FYI ;)
22:32.37alejothnkxx all
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22:32.51mathieu__SimonRaven:   ;-)
22:33.11EdLinnot just Linux, GNU/Linux too. ;-)
22:33.12evoldate 09140033 did the trick
22:33.16evolthanks mathieu__
22:33.20mathieu__evol: no pb
22:33.36beardyalejo: You can read 'man hier' to learn more about the filesystem hierarchy.
22:33.39evoljust got a bit scared when I tried the help ;P
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22:33.48mathieu__evol: where r u from?
22:33.54evolsweden
22:34.02EdLin!r
22:34.03dpkgi guess r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html.  AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS!
22:34.04EdLin!u
22:34.04dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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22:34.19mathieu__evol:ok, cuz we've got the same time zone, despite we aren't in the same country
22:34.19paulswmmathieu__: Thanks for the correction :)
22:34.28mathieu__paulswm: no pb :-)
22:34.40evolwhere are you from?
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22:35.00key2if i'm in a local machine and I wanna do a export display, should I set it as 127.0.0.1:0.0 ???
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22:35.09mathieu__evol: franc
22:35.13mathieu__evol: france
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22:36.01alejonow im at Install the GRUB boot loader..  i see no way to skip it, only the <go back> option there.
22:36.21alejonow i saw it
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22:36.24alejowith esc
22:36.25mathieu__alejo: try to make it detect the other OS installed
22:36.26alejo)
22:36.31mathieu__alejo: ok
22:36.46evolsure we aren't in the same timezone?
22:37.00streunerSimonRaven: i've never heard about any other then problem with http connections in context with ecn...
22:37.06mathieu__evo: we are, because it's also 00:40 here
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22:37.27mathieu__00:40 local time, 22h40 UTC
22:37.35fazlahttp://pastebin.com/363000
22:37.39key2if i'm in a local machine and I wanna do a export display to display a shell on my X for example, should I set it as DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 ???
22:37.39fazlacan you look here please
22:37.41fazlawhat should i do
22:37.44evolokay, well .. taaaah
22:38.09SimonRavenstreuner: yeh. that's where they show up usually, but the "problem" is deeper
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22:38.34Supaplexkey2: DISPLAY=:0.0 and XAUTHORITY=~user/.Xauthority - iirc
22:38.45streuners/is/could be/ ;-)
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22:39.22bonafidehanl
22:39.24alekzandri am using ssh to connect to my server, and the output of command seems to be wrapping at around 80 lines, i would like it to use the whole teminal size, what do i need to change?
22:39.42alejoperfect, now im in gentoo to edit grub.conf and have a dual boot linux system!! )
22:39.46abrotmanhow large is the terminal ?
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22:40.35fazlaabrotman: can you look please.. http://pastebin.com/363000
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22:40.54kimoour admin says I cant be root on my lappy, or I will be root on our NIS network. Any comments?
22:40.56abrotmanfazla: i don't own a printer
22:41.10alekzandrit is much wider, i am not sure how wide, i am using putty under winxp to ssh in to my server
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22:41.26abrotmankimo: iirc .. there are ways around that
22:41.45kimoabrotman, so in the most direct sense, he is correct ?
22:41.54abrotmanor maybe it was .. you had to work extra hard to do it
22:41.58key2Supaplex: I still get: can't open Display: %s
22:42.13abrotmankimo: it's been a while since i messed with NIS .. but there should be tons of info on google about it
22:42.37key2Supaplex: have an Idea ? I did my xhost+
22:42.40kimoabrotman, thnx, I'm not really an admin. Just an old tux hand
22:42.41SimonRavenugh, nis...
22:42.50SimonRavenkey2: use xauth, not xhost
22:42.57abrotmankimo: yes .. but i think you can do it ..
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22:43.26SimonRaveni wonder if irssi is still segfaulting...
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22:43.43kimoabrotman, so say, we join the network without being root. Then I boot knoppix and change root's password! Am I root on the network this easy
22:43.49SimonRavenoh yeh, is it ever
22:43.51SimonRavenzsh: 26405 segmentation fault (core dumped)  irssi-text
22:44.03abrotmankimo: NIS is ... bad :)
22:44.32key2SimonRaven: still the same
22:44.33kimoabrotman, OMG
22:44.35SimonRavenuse ldap if you need something beyond unix flat file...
22:44.44SimonRavenkey2: no it isn't
22:44.45key2I did my DISPLAY=...
22:44.53key2well it still doesnt logg on
22:44.53SimonRavenoh, the problem, sorry
22:45.09abrotmankimo: why don't you try it :)
22:45.15key2SimonRaven: what's the X port, so I telnet it and see if it opens it ?
22:45.15kimoabrotman, any alternatives to NIS they should be using
22:45.23kimoabrotman, u bet I will ;)
22:45.46SimonRavenkey2: doesn't open one by default in debian (most linuxen in fact)
22:46.01abrotmankimo: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/linux-adv/nis.htm .. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/NIS-HOWTO.html
22:46.02key2SimonRaven: and how should I tell him to open one
22:46.18key2SimonRaven: in case I wanna display from an other computer for example
22:46.20abrotmankimo: well .. the rest of the world moved to NIS+ .. but there are better methods still .. but i dont work for your company :)
22:46.35SimonRavenyou don't want to do that. your problem is more easily solved than opening up a large setuid root binary to tcp
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22:47.48zbiwhi
22:48.01zbiwi've just bought a powerbook G4 by apple
22:48.12key2Asterisk:~# xterm
22:48.13key2Warning: This program is an suid-root program or is being run by the root user.
22:48.13key2The full text of the error or warning message cannot be safely formatted
22:48.13key2in this environment. You may get a more descriptive message by running the
22:48.13key2program as a non-root user or by removing the suid bit on the executable.
22:48.13key2xterm Xt error: Can't open display: %s
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22:48.21key2sorry
22:48.33SimonRavenso stop running x apps as root... and don't fucking paste here
22:48.35zbiwand two of the most interresting features seem not availlable in debian
22:48.44SimonRaven...
22:48.49abrotmanzbiw: which are?
22:48.51zbiwdoes someone know how to use airport
22:48.52zbiw?
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22:48.57abrotmanzbiw: not possible
22:49.02abrotmanzbiw: blame apple/broadcom
22:49.05zbiwand how to use keybord light ?
22:49.05eeyore-zbiw: what features?
22:49.07abrotmanzbiw: next
22:49.17abrotmanzbiw: wait .. airport or airport extreme ?
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22:49.25SimonRavenzbiw: airport extreme is unsupported in linux. not linux kernel people's fault. blame the maker, broadcom for not releasing open specs
22:49.28zbiwairport extrem sorry
22:49.35abrotmanzbiw: yes .. not possible
22:49.40eeyore-abrotman: "just bought" and "g4"
22:49.42zbiwoki
22:49.42abrotmannot even open darwin can use it afaik
22:49.44zbiwthanks
22:49.48abrotmaneeyore-: second hand ?
22:49.56abrotmanzbiw: keyboard .. dunno ...
22:50.04SimonRavenos x can, but apple sold its soul a long time ago ;)
22:50.07eeyore-abrotman: more likely would have been g3
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22:50.30abrotmanwho owuld buy a G3 second hand ?
22:50.31zbiwi don't understand
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22:50.37SimonRaveni would
22:50.41abrotmanzbiw: about what ?
22:50.48abrotmaneeyore-: you can get a Cube for $300
22:50.54zbiwisn't it controled in hardware ?
22:50.57eeyore-abrotman: hmm.  nice shape?
22:50.58zbiwi mean
22:51.05abrotmanzbiw: the wifi or the keyboard?
22:51.05SimonRavenzbiw: uh, what is?
22:51.08abrotmaneeyore-: yeah .. check ebay
22:51.13zbiwthe keybord backlight
22:51.23SimonRavenzbiw: there's a driver for it in linux
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22:51.29abrotmanzbiw: might have more luck in #debianppc .. but the wifi is no
22:51.31eeyore-on second thought, i have enough junk computers lying around the house
22:51.37zbiwokay
22:51.41zbiwi'll do it now
22:51.50zbiwthank's a lot
22:51.52zbiwsorry
22:51.55abrotmaneeyore-: http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-PowerMac-G4-Cube-450-MHZ_W0QQitemZ5806671676QQcategoryZ14912QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem .. for example
22:52.00zbiwi speak english just a bit
22:52.01SimonRavenzbiw: IIRc it's in the mac hardware section of menuconfig
22:52.33abrotmaneeyore-: and that one is near you!
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22:53.05zbiwso if i want a new kernel ...
22:53.14zbiwcan i get it on kernel.org ?
22:53.17streuner!fr
22:53.17dpkgLes personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr
22:53.19abrotmanyou shouldn't need one
22:53.20eeyore-abrotman: thanks for digging up URL :)  but really, any money i have (left, after two kids) is going towards the jeep
22:53.23abrotmanthe driver should be
22:53.27abrotmanin the kernel in sarge
22:53.35abrotmaneeyore-: but it won't go more than 2 miles!
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22:53.43abrotmaneeyore-: or so says history anyways :)
22:53.46eeyore-abrotman: still needs new bumper and root rack
22:54.03abrotmanroot rack? .. you let your root user run around on your rack ?
22:54.11abrotmaneeyore-: oh wait .. new chest for the wife?
22:54.13MrBallZok, here goes again ...
22:54.15MrBallZquestion:  I have two cd devices one is a DVD+R  and the other one is a DVD/CD-R  combo , the problem is that the combo is recognized as a cd rom only drive , and I want to burn with it, how can I change the settings so it gets recognized as a Combo
22:54.24eeyore-abrotman: doesn't need one :)
22:54.29abrotmanhehe
22:54.39abrotmanget it .. root rack .. chest for wife ... i'm bad!
22:54.44eeyore-abrotman: oic, *roof* rack
22:54.49abrotmanhehe
22:54.50eeyore-abrotman: freudian slip?
22:55.08eeyore-abrotman: that's .... naughty
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22:55.19abrotmandon't tell mrs. eeyore-
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22:55.52eeyore-MrBallZ: cdrecord -scanbus
22:55.53abrotman!wine
22:55.54dpkg[wine] at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.
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22:56.02abrotmansett: or try gimp
22:56.06lex_would someone refresh my memory about this "new" app that uses caching and really cool stuff to make XWindows access from windows a really neat experience ? It was called RX or something like that
22:56.12mfrischcan you crack a bios password
22:56.18settyes, I am wining now :)
22:56.21lex_It was gpl'd
22:56.25eeyore-mfrisch: why don't you just reset the cmos?
22:56.28settwine'ing :)
22:56.31settno luck still
22:56.38abrotmansett: ask #winehq
22:56.38eeyore-mfrisch: you know, short a jumper and clear the cmos
22:56.41ciaronthe debian tomcat4 package doesn't have a a standalone tomcat server defined in its config? or am i missing something?
22:56.54abrotmantomcat is bad?
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22:57.06mfrischeeyore- its a laptop and the owner said he tried with no luck *strange*
22:57.06Rhaedaswhat's the difference between Ctnl Alt F1 and Cntl Alt Backspace, and why would my Gnome login keep coming back up when I try these?
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22:57.18MrBallZeeyore:  I get an error ... sort of ...
22:57.34abrotmanmfrisch: shorted the jumper on the laptop AND removed the battery and power cables ?
22:57.38eeyore-mfrisch: take out the battery and let it drain, i guess
22:57.41abrotmanmfrisch: and then turned it on ?
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22:57.49abrotmanor attempted to .. whatever
22:57.54eeyore-mfrisch: i mean the *lithium* bios battery, not the laptop's main batter :)
22:58.03abrotmansome bioses require you to set the jumper .. then turn the machine on
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22:58.30mfrischabrotman he thinks he did, he's a network engineer
22:58.32beardyRhaedas: Ctrl-Alt-F1 switches to the first virtual console. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, when in X, restarts the xserver.
22:58.43Rhaedasokay.
22:58.48eeyore-mfrisch: make sure he did :)  remove all sorts of power for the device
22:58.50abrotmanmfrisch: oh .. you're fucked .. go do it yourself
22:59.07abrotmannetwork engineer ... pshaw .. what do they know how to turn off ...
22:59.11Gneahrm, isn't there a syslog that arrives with windows to drop out port 514?
22:59.17Rhaedashow then do I shut down X altogether? The Virtual console says X is still running
22:59.17mfrischif windows count
22:59.22Gneaabrotman: heh
22:59.28Rhaedastrying to install nvidia drivers.
22:59.35abrotmanthey plug it in .. and walk away .. the shit isn't supposed to get power cycled
23:00.02Gneaabrotman: only idiots walk away expecting it not to be power cycled.
23:00.04MrBallZeeyore-: it gives lots of warnings because of the kernel being over 2.5  ,
23:00.05beardyRhaedas: Run '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' where ? is either x, k, g, or other
23:00.06eeyore-mfrisch: being engineers don't mean much :)  we just had a prospective employee come barging into our office unannounced, walked right into the middle of the floor, passing everyone by until i stopped him with "how can i help you?" question ... guy is gonna be an engineer :)
23:00.13eeyore-mfrisch: and he doesn't even know basic protocol?
23:00.26abrotmanGnea: lots of stuff doesn't get power cycled (on purpose) .. lke unmanaged switches
23:00.27Rhaedasokay, I'll try that.
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23:00.36Gneaabrotman: well yeah
23:00.41abrotmanGnea: seee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:00.45beardyRhaedas: Which display manager do you se?
23:00.52Gnealol
23:00.53beardyRhaedas: use
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23:00.58eeyore-MrBallZ: so?  i use cdrecord on 2.6
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23:01.07Rhaedasusing gnome
23:01.10dan2_abrotman: ahoy
23:01.19beardyRhaedas: Probably gdm then.
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23:01.19SimonRavenMrBallZ: they're just warnings.... sheesh
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23:01.20abrotmandan2_: i had something to tell you!
23:01.25MrBallZI want K3B to recognize the other drive
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23:01.29dan2_abrotman: so what is it?
23:01.39abrotmandan2_: nfc .. it was days ago :)
23:01.47dan2_nfc?
23:01.51abrotman!nfc
23:01.51dpkghmm... nfc is No Fucking Clue.  National Football Conference
23:01.53mfrischeeyore- its an everything job...he knows I would think.  He has been on the job six years.
23:02.04dan2_abrotman: I figured out how to beat my acid reflux
23:02.30mfrischdan2_ apple cider vineger works great
23:02.37dan2_mfrisch: yes, that too
23:02.47eeyore-dan2_: when i sleep on my side i get a bad case of acid reflux
23:02.47dan2_mfrisch: but my cause of acid reflux is complex carbohydrates
23:02.48abrotmandan2_: no more spicy food .. less peppers .. lots of hot food .. chew a lot
23:03.00dan2_abrotman: ^^
23:03.02key2in fact, by default X is in -nolisten tcp
23:03.11eeyore-abrotman: can't live without spicy food ... more peppers ...
23:03.18dan2_abrotman: cereal, oatmeal, bread, goldfish ...
23:03.20abrotmandan2_: that would be no more fries from Sly Fox for you!
23:03.20dan2_must go
23:03.21SimonRavenkey2: that's what i said 15 minutes ago
23:03.35Lanixcan some one tell me where the config file for the x is located ?can't find it
23:03.37abrotmaneeyore-: i found out green peppers give me wicked heartburn .. but red peppers are ok .. figure that out :)
23:03.45abrotmanLaney: /etc/X11/
23:03.50abrotman!drxx Lanix
23:03.50dan2_mfrisch: 1 tbsp 3 times day works like a charm
23:03.51dpkgLanix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]   (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>
23:03.51mfrischdan2_ how about good brown rice
23:03.56dan2_I don't like the taste
23:04.02dan2_so that knocks it out
23:04.02dan2_;)
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23:04.18abrotmandan2_: i was on zantac and reglan for over a year .. i had bad esophogitis
23:04.21mfrischdan2_ I have done worse
23:05.02dan2_mfrisch: how do you beat the burn in your throat from acv?
23:05.04eeyore-abrotman: i think i killed my capsaicin receptors in my mouth ... it's fine going down but boy, my tummy sure complains :)
23:05.09dan2_mfrisch: I'm not a fan of drinking it in water
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23:05.21abrotmaneeyore-: sounds about right ..
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23:05.38abrotmaneeyore-: that and .. i can barely taste garlic anymore .. even though .. i put a ton on my food ;)
23:05.41scoateshello. I'd like to set a users's password non-interactively (from a script) -- how can I do this?
23:05.55abrotmanPhated: ding!
23:05.58eeyore-abrotman: you and me ... we both.  2 cloves of garlic?  what's that.  try 20 :-)
23:06.01mfrischdan2_ I get spectrum it has a "pleasant" taste, I think its a state of mind.
23:06.09Phatedabrotman: Dong?
23:06.11Supaplexscoates, passwd has a stdin option iirc, check hman page
23:06.23Supaplexhman/the man/
23:06.26dan2_mfrisch: I just take the tablespoon raw without water
23:06.29abrotmanPhated: i was just highlighting you for pnrfne benefit
23:06.31dan2_mfrisch: then flush it down with water
23:06.34Phatedabrotman: Excellent.
23:06.36dan2_mfrisch: still leaves burn in throat
23:06.41scoatesSupaplex: I don't see the option -- I was hoping for that.
23:06.42abrotmanPhated: but it didn't change
23:06.47abrotmaneeyore-: yeah .. it kind of sucks
23:06.50streunerPhated: !
23:06.55Phatedabrotman: It did. Now, of course, it's not going to. So go away.
23:06.55streuner:-)
23:07.04mfrischdan2_ just think its apple cider.
23:07.13dan2_that gives me an upset stomach
23:07.34dan2_entertainingly enough ACV helps with GERD
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23:07.51Sashihey
23:07.53Sashierm
23:07.57Sashiis there a package
23:08.00Sashifor expose?
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23:08.15abrotmanexpose?
23:08.18abrotmanthe OSX thing ?
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23:08.27Sashiyea cuz i had expose on fc
23:08.29Sashifedora
23:08.33abrotmandpkg: info skippy sarge
23:08.39abrotmanSashi: it's not .. the best
23:08.43Sashi?
23:08.44eeyore-package ... and expose ... uhm ...
23:08.46dpkgskippy: (full-screen X11 task/window switcher, similar to OSX Expose), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.5.1rc1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 152 kB
23:08.48abrotmanSashi: it's coming :)
23:08.49Sashiwhats so bad about expose
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23:09.03abrotmanSashi: i meant skippy .. no expose in debian .. blame Apple
23:09.15Sashiargh
23:09.22Sashiso theres expose on rpm based?
23:09.23Sashior something?
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23:09.47SimonRaven@nickometer oiieiagoe
23:09.50ravenbird'oiieiagoe' is 0.000% lame, simonraven
23:09.56SimonRavenno it's not!
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23:10.00dan2_@nickometer SimonRaven
23:10.01ravenbirdoiieiagoe is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
23:10.03ravenbird'SimonRaven' is 0.000% lame, dan2_
23:10.20SimonRavenforgot to add you to my /ignore
23:10.22dan2_@nickometer ravenbird
23:10.24ravenbird'ravenbird' is 0.000% lame, dan2_
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23:10.52abrotmanravenbird: stop playing with the humans
23:10.52ravenbirdi haven't a clue, abrotman
23:10.53Supaplexscoates: my box is pegged atm. check usermod, adduser, useradd and the see also sections. I know I have an event script that does this from stdin.
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23:11.31alekzandrhow can i make the netstat command use all the width of my terminal window?
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23:12.36Supaplexalekzandr: echo $COLUMNS :)
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23:12.44dvsalekzandr: COLUMNS=200 netstat
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23:13.09n0vat0ola
23:13.16n0vat0hola
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23:13.49abrotman!es
23:13.49dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:14.13Logan-RJ#debian-br-cdd.
23:15.51SimonRaventhat's kinda trippy
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23:17.07mfrischSimonRaven is it cool?
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23:17.32SimonRavenit's um, unusual. quicker then i thought t would be
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23:17.37SimonRaventhan*
23:17.57mfrischSimonRaven like 3ddesktop?
23:18.04SimonRavenno
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23:18.56buuSo how do I create a fortune.dat from a % seperate list of fortunes?
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23:21.23EvilSporkManI need something functionally analogous to a quick SQL database and web interface that just allows me to have lots of rows, but I feel like that's a general problem that there should be a package out there to solve. I just tried quicklist, but some of the fields are going to be rather long, and lists would be nice too. This sort of thing seems hard to google as well; my intended purpose is to document project meetings (date, time, acco
23:21.23EvilSporkManmplishments, attendance, etc.)
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23:22.12buustrfile, as it turns out.
23:22.23EvilSporkManapt-cache searching for agenda or project or other things of that nature hasn't turned up much, and Planner (formerly mrproject) doesn't suit this need
23:23.12abrotmanEvilSporkMan: spreadsheet?
23:23.38EvilSporkManabrotman: cells aren't nearly big enough; we're talking meeting agendas
23:23.55abrotmanflat files ?
23:24.04EvilSporkMancome again?
23:25.04SimonRavenfartfish?
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23:25.43SimonRaven*sigh*
23:25.56EvilSporkManwhat i'm trying to avoid right now is developing "Meeting Documenter 0.1" which outputs to some silly XML format and looks analogous to your average bug tracker's report bug screen
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23:27.54EvilSporkManugh, have to leave, thanks anyway abrotman
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23:28.11abrotmanerm .. ok
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23:28.15abrotmanflat files :)
23:28.18SimonRaventypo..
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23:28.39zortonis there an offical rescue image for sarge? something that would support XFS?
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23:29.13mfrischzorton SYSRESCUECD supports xfs
23:29.20SimonRavenzorton: yeh, the cd you used to install it
23:29.47SimonRavenlike i don't know, the shell you can open on VT2 is rather useful....
23:29.52SimonRaven</sarcasm>
23:30.02zortonSimonRaven: kay, I must have an older copy of the install CD.  The first time I rebooted into it, I couldn't find xfs_repair
23:30.34SimonRavenyou need to do the whole process of doing h/w detection and such, then it'll fetch the xfs utils
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23:31.03SimonRavenit's amazing what you can find out if you take the time to read what's on the screen
23:31.11zortonthank you
23:31.19SimonRaven...never mind the install guide ;). np
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23:32.30jxpxhola alguien me ayuda
23:32.48Guerin!es
23:32.48dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:37.12mfrischis there a email client that talks exchange
23:37.26dvsmfrisch: evolution can
23:37.58SimonRaveni'm going to be really happy when we don't have to deal with the garbage M$hit puts out
23:38.14mfrischdvs Really COOL.  I donot need 'doz Yes
23:38.32UnWorldlyI want to add a line to /etc/modules.conf to enable AGP fastwrites, but the file tells me that I should not edit it by hand, how should I add the option line if not by editing the config file?
23:38.32dvsmfrisch: nope
23:38.33SimonRavenno
23:38.41Lanixare all the refrence and manual  good for all flavors of debian , i meen it does not matter witch flaver ? refrence apply for all flavors ?
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23:38.54dvsUnWorldly: 2.4 kernel?
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23:39.03SimonRavenUnWorldly: set it as an option after the module loads, or set it in append=
23:39.03UnWorldly2.6
23:39.13SimonRaven/etc/modules
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23:39.55UnWorldlydoes the modules file have the same syntax for option lines as the modules.conf?
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23:40.11SimonRavene.g., module_name its_options=go_here
23:41.20SimonRavennull has been nulled
23:41.26GuerinLanix: generally speaking, yes, within a certain time of publication. Things change, so a current manual won't necessarily be much specific use for woody, etc.
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23:41.31UnWorldlythe module I want to add options for is not listen in that file, if I add it would I be loading the module twice?
23:41.48UnWorldlylisted*
23:42.07SimonRavenUnWorldly: it's probably getting loaded by hotplug. i'd blacklist it in hotplug, and have it load 'normally'
23:42.17GuerinUnWorldly: it's impossible to load a module twice
23:42.28UnWorldlyIt is my gfx card module, x is loading it
23:42.30Lanixwell i use unstable so am looking for refrence on it or a good manual or some thing
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23:42.31UnWorldlyI thought
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23:42.43SimonRavenand yeh, it is impossible. you have to unload it first
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23:42.48LordNazgultrying to install something on sarge and part of the bootstrap file calls aclocal&&   it then errors out saying command not found. any ideas?
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23:43.06SimonRavenLanix: shouldn't be using sid if you're that clueless
23:43.24Lanixi like having upto date pkg
23:43.28SimonRaven(not meant as an insult, just statement of apparent fact)
23:43.30Guerin!tell Lanix about fundamentals
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23:44.06Guerin!sns syndrome
23:44.06dpkghmm... sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
23:44.09SimonRavenLordNazgul: so install it. it's automake
23:44.15dvsah!
23:44.25Lanixmaybe tors debian i am a bit clueles ....
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23:45.29zimb0wHow can I run a program on the command line and then log out, leaving the command running? I am using the bash shell
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23:45.37dvszimb0w: nohup
23:45.41buuzimb0w: screen!
23:45.44colbyzimb0w: use screen
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23:46.05zimb0wok thanks
23:46.06SimonRavenscreen or nohup
23:46.17LordNazgulthanx simon raven.  just what i needed to know
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23:46.31chealzimb0w: info coreutils nohup
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23:48.26zimb0winfo pages are better than man pages?
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23:49.26Guerinzimb0w: fsvo better
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23:49.52Guerinzimb0w: they're explicitly better in some cases where the same information is not available in a manpage
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23:50.24yarddoghow would someone apt-get xfree?
23:51.26znxyarddog: xserver-xorg (i know)   xserver-xfree (i think)
23:51.29abrotmanyarddog: apt-get install x-window-system
23:51.36abrotmanstupid bots
23:51.41chealyarddog: x-window-system-core
23:51.41znxor better yet.. ignore me :)
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23:52.16yarddogthx
23:52.28yarddogznx you in here too?
23:52.43znxyarddog: im everywhere ;)
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23:55.18nortonhow can I kill my X server and stop it from respawning?
23:55.41nortonwithout changing any configuration files, I just want it dead now
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23:55.48Guerinnorton: /etc/init.d/?dm stop
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23:56.06Guerinnorton: you're not doing it for the nvidia driver, are you?
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23:56.18nortonGuerin: nope. thank you
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23:56.39zimb0wAmazing that people are willing to give free technical support, isn't it?
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23:56.57thingfishman, why did I put up with red hat and fedora for years.  debian is heaven.
23:57.13chealzimb0w: I believe it gives geek points though
23:57.13abrotmanthingfish: you were young and stupid ?
23:57.24stdancan anyone help me set up afbackup?
23:57.30thingfishabrotman: sounds about right.
23:57.36chealthingfish: welcome to the Truth
23:57.39zimb0wyou cant buy food with those :p
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23:57.54thingfishdebian is as good as linux gets, period.
23:57.55nutshell42I have a problem with pam. Using the same config file if I use pam_permit.so both su and kcheckpass succeed, with pam_deny.so both fail, with pam_unix.so su succeeds and kcheckpass fails and I have no friggin idea why. Is there a way to get more extensive (and especially more useful) debugging output from pam? tia
23:57.58chealzimb0w: geekness is priceless
23:58.12chealthingfish: you *must* mean GNU/Linux
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23:58.18Guerinthingfish: debian is not linux
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23:58.23thingfishcheal: yes, in fact I do.
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23:58.37thingfishDebian GNU/Linux.
23:58.55thingfishman, killer lightning here.
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23:59.16mfrischwhat port does exchange use?
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23:59.43orlon_mfrisch: for what?
23:59.59TheodenHey thingfish

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