| 00:00.24 | mfrisch | orlon_ just trying to connect to works server... |
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| 00:01.04 | thomas001 | hi,do i need to pay attention to certain things,that the initrd make-kpkg creates, actually works? |
| 00:01.16 | orlon_ | mfrisch: yeah, but to do what? I'm assuming by exchange you mean "Microsoft Exchange" and you're trying to read your mail? try 143 for IMAP or 110 for POP |
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| 00:01.53 | zimb0w | peace. |
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| 00:02.28 | mfrisch | orlon_ yes Micro exchange..did not know it did either or, thought it was its own THANKS |
| 00:02.41 | orlon_ | mfrisch: it does have it's own |
| 00:03.06 | compguymac | how do i change the root password? |
| 00:03.06 | orlon_ | mfrisch: but you can also load IMAP and POP support on the server. so it'll depend on what your admin has setup |
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| 00:03.30 | orlon_ | mfrisch: if they haven't enabled IMAP/POP you could try the exchange connector in Evolution |
| 00:03.37 | node|lappy | im using taprobane (.org), a distro built on debian |
| 00:03.48 | orlon_ | mfrisch: that talks to Outlook Web Access to fake a full MAPI connection |
| 00:03.51 | node|lappy | how can i get it to work with my wifi usb interface? |
| 00:04.10 | cheal | compguymac: # passwd, I guess |
| 00:04.10 | orlon_ | compguymac: login in as root, type passwd |
| 00:04.41 | orlon_ | /leave oops |
| 00:04.56 | thingfish | Theoden: hey how are you? |
| 00:05.02 | mfrisch | orlon_ ok..will be able to set up after I ask tomorrow, I am using Evolution (a ubuntu live-cd) at my workstation. |
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| 00:05.31 | orlon_ | mfrisch: aah, the exchange connector is loaded by default on Ubuntu |
| 00:05.31 | thingfish | sorry, was in the kitchen, Theoden. |
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| 00:05.47 | node|lappy | wifi on debian, anyone? |
| 00:05.53 | orlon_ | mfrisch: if they have OWA enabled that's probably your best bet as it'll give you access to public folders, calendars etc |
| 00:06.08 | mfrisch | orlon_ I can get paid and not sell y soul! |
| 00:06.15 | mfrisch | my |
| 00:06.17 | orlon_ | node|lappy: is the device supported under linux? have you checked google to see if anyone else has got it working? |
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| 00:06.46 | node|lappy | orlon_, google brings up very little for "debian wifi usb" |
| 00:07.11 | orlon_ | node|lappy: no, search for that specific wifi usb device and linux |
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| 00:07.23 | node|lappy | gotcha |
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| 00:07.42 | psyklops | hi |
| 00:08.00 | thingfish | I think wireless kills DNA and makes aliens want to dominate us. |
| 00:08.05 | psyklops | what packages would I need to get some program capable of setting my x background to an image? |
| 00:08.15 | mfrisch | orlon_ do you know roots pass for ubuntu |
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| 00:08.24 | orlon_ | mfrisch: there isn't one |
| 00:08.37 | orlon_ | mfrisch: you use sudo from the first created user |
| 00:08.50 | mfrisch | orlon_ I tried blank no su |
| 00:09.01 | psyklops | could use display xsetbg wmsetbg or xv if I knew what packages had them |
| 00:09.14 | mfrisch | orlon_ sudo ok |
| 00:09.17 | orlon_ | psyklops: you can use xv, xsetroot, gsetroot, xsetbg etc etc |
| 00:09.30 | psyklops | :) |
| 00:09.35 | orlon_ | psyklops: Gnome and KDE both have applets to do it as well |
| 00:09.56 | psyklops | I don't use gnome or KDE |
| 00:09.58 | node|lappy | orlon_, - ndiswrapper (driver rt2500usb) |
| 00:10.01 | node|lappy | whats that? |
| 00:10.12 | psyklops | I don't know what package contains any one of those programs |
| 00:10.19 | orlon_ | node|lappy: ndiswrapper is a driver for linux that wraps a Windows NDIS driver |
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| 00:10.57 | node|lappy | *head |
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| 00:11.03 | orlon_ | psyklops: goto packages.debian.org then |
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| 00:11.09 | node|lappy | ok i go for class and come back and try this out |
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| 00:12.15 | Theoden | thingfish: Good - how are you? |
| 00:12.20 | psyklops | k, all I needed was xloadimage |
| 00:12.24 | thingfish | Theoden: fine, fine. |
| 00:12.40 | blaaaa | excuse my ignorance but can lvm be used to make a diskset appear as a single logical volume? |
| 00:12.45 | thingfish | doing my best to enjoy life. |
| 00:12.49 | node|lappy | does ndiswrapper come with debian? |
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| 00:13.04 | Sashi | hmm |
| 00:13.07 | Theoden | thingfish: Me too. Running dbsd at the moment. |
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| 00:13.13 | thingfish | ooh |
| 00:13.16 | Sashi | how to convert rpms to bin? |
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| 00:13.39 | Theoden | thingfish: DesktopBSD |
| 00:13.45 | thingfish | I of course know nothing about it. must google immediately. |
| 00:13.48 | thingfish | ah, thanks |
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| 00:14.46 | ilpavox | anyone having trouble getting the java plugin to work with firefox? |
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| 00:15.17 | ilpavox | i can't get the damn thing to work |
| 00:15.59 | thingfish | ooh, looks interesting... |
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| 00:17.10 | alekzandr | how can i manually rotate the apache logs, i am haveing some kind of exploit and todays log is over 420MB |
| 00:17.32 | cheal | ilpavox: how did you install java? |
| 00:18.13 | thingfish | Sashi: I'd imagine you'd have better luck in a channel that specializes in an rpm-based distro. |
| 00:18.29 | ilpavox | cheal: using apt. |
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| 00:18.49 | SimonRaven | alekzandr: logrotate... |
| 00:18.55 | trym | sashi: I dont know what you are trying to do.. but check out alien |
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| 00:19.05 | ilpavox | cheal: i checked all the sym links between firefox and the plugin.. they look ok |
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| 00:19.32 | jaaro | hi everyone. |
| 00:19.43 | bob2 | alekzandr: install mod_security |
| 00:19.51 | bob2 | and run logrotate manually |
| 00:19.55 | alekzandr | i just did, what will that do for me? |
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| 00:20.13 | alekzandr | bob2: what is the correct command to rotate the logs? |
| 00:20.43 | thingfish | Theoden: I'm still just running a mixed Debian (sarge core with etch kernel and xorg, plus gnome 2.10 from sid). |
| 00:21.03 | alekzandr | my server did 26GB of transfer in the last 24 hours, usually it is under 2GB/day |
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| 00:21.14 | thingfish | it's cobbled together, but it still runs better than any other linux out there. |
| 00:21.27 | cheal | ilpavox: apt...that means using java-package, right? |
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| 00:21.42 | sess | I've been using Sarge for a while now, I want to install and use the newest unstable version on my laptop, whats the best way of getting it? Should i use my sarge net install CD and just change the soures.list? or should I download the new net installation CD? |
| 00:21.44 | john_rambo | Hi!!! lamers!!!! |
| 00:21.45 | sess | Its SID right? |
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| 00:22.29 | jaaro | What kind of relationship is between shared object loading & running kernel? |
| 00:22.47 | ilpavox | cheal: apt-get sun-j2re1.5 |
| 00:23.19 | abrotman | wow .. bad troll |
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| 00:24.23 | sess | can I get a little love briefly plz? Im on a modem so downloading is going to take all night either way, Im just trying to figure out if I can use my existing CD to save a little downloading time before I cna let it go and run off to bed |
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| 00:24.42 | cheal | !tell sess about iyhtays |
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| 00:25.28 | cheal | ilpavox: hum. did you do that yourself, maybe a long time ago? because that's not quite how it's done |
| 00:25.35 | jaaro | Reason why I ask such a strange question is this: I have wlhdd router with disk where I've installed debian. Kernel is something around 2.4.20 with (many?) patches... I haven't been yet succesfull in booting off the disc so I've pivot_root'ed & chrooted into the debian root & started dropbear (lightweight ssh). |
| 00:25.58 | sess | !tell cheal about compassion |
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| 00:26.08 | thingfish | really, sess, I mean using sid means you have to be able to figure stuff out for yourself, because there's no support for it in here. So if you can't figure out how to get it, it doesn't bode well for you. |
| 00:26.22 | ilpavox | cheal: i'm actually on ubuntu, but that may as well be debain. no one in that channel likes to say anything. in any case, how did i mess up? |
| 00:26.26 | jaaro | When I use such a hybrid system & run application which loads .so object, dlopen fails with <Invalid seek> error. |
| 00:26.27 | thingfish | sess: have you googled? |
| 00:26.28 | sess | thingfish: nevermind, cheal is right, I shouldn't have asked |
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| 00:26.38 | cheal | sess: there's no such factoid, but that's precisely why I told you that. |
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| 00:26.43 | sess | I can get it, I've never done a distupgrade |
| 00:26.45 | jaaro | I'd like to know what might be reason of this behaviour. |
| 00:26.54 | rnN | someone can help me!? I need install mysql on my pc.. i did apt-get install mysql-server but when i'll up the server, 1 error was occurred |
| 00:27.02 | sess | It would have saved me a 200m download on my 56k modem |
| 00:27.07 | jcurry | i know that experimental is not supported here, but i would appreciate greatly if someone could help me troubleshoot and xorg problem .... |
| 00:27.11 | rnN | 050913 21:27:11 mysqld: unknown variable 'old_passwords=1' |
| 00:27.14 | rnN | what is it? |
| 00:27.29 | sess | thats what I wanted to avoid, but I didn't want ot waste the time instlaling it and finding out It can't be done for some reason I don't know about |
| 00:27.29 | abrotman | #mysql ? |
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| 00:27.33 | cheal | sess: if you've never done a dist-upgrade, sid is *really* not the appropriate release for you |
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| 00:27.39 | sess | I don't see why it woulnd't work, just wanted to ask |
| 00:27.42 | jcurry | rnN: try editing the mysql config file |
| 00:27.50 | rnN | where is it? |
| 00:27.51 | rnN | :> |
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| 00:27.59 | jcurry | rnN: i had this problem too |
| 00:28.01 | sess | cheal: Ill take my chances, its not hard, I've just never actually done it |
| 00:28.08 | thingfish | it would be more than 200 mb too, probably, depending on what you have installed. |
| 00:28.10 | cheal | ilpavox: this is a debian support channel. I have no clue how ubuntu works |
| 00:28.19 | jcurry | rnN: somewhere in /etc? maybe the dir is called mysql, but i don't remember |
| 00:28.25 | rnN | jcurry, already was resolved? |
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| 00:28.36 | thingfish | well, from my experience, and compared to Debian, ubuntu doesn't work. |
| 00:28.46 | ilpavox | cheal: ubuntu is debian, updated more often |
| 00:28.52 | thingfish | pfllt |
| 00:29.02 | cheal | ilpavox: *cough cough* |
| 00:29.09 | bob2 | jaaro: for instance, 2.4.18 kernels do not work i nsid anymore |
| 00:29.14 | bob2 | jaaro: due to libc6 changes |
| 00:29.20 | bob2 | ubuntu is off-topic |
| 00:29.28 | bob2 | if you're using it, #ubuntu |
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| 00:29.41 | Sashi | hmm |
| 00:29.42 | Sashi | umm |
| 00:29.44 | sess | the point was to start the overnight installation 2 hours earlier, but at this rate, illl be better off just downloading the CD tonight and going to bed, do the installation at school tomorrow on their oc3 |
| 00:29.45 | bob2 | jcurry: you need to ask your question before anyone can decide if they can help... |
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| 00:29.50 | Sashi | how to check my hardware in my comp? |
| 00:29.57 | abrotman | lspci,lsusb |
| 00:30.10 | SimonRaven | bob2: is it normal that cdebootstrap is hyper-slow when run in pbuilder? |
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| 00:30.47 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: eh? it shouldn't be that slow at all |
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| 00:31.06 | jaaro | bob2: Isn't that a bit offtopic? Or how is it related with my question. Oh, yes, I might have forgotten to mention I'm using sarge(stable) release (what else on device where I require stability) |
| 00:31.12 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: yeh i know. i ran it without pbuilder and it ran as quickly as debootstrap |
| 00:31.21 | SimonRaven | maybe a bit faster |
| 00:31.24 | thingfish | I can see taking a thing or two from sid, but not running it. that's not for me, not anymore. |
| 00:31.28 | bob2 | SimonRaven: hm, I haven't noticed that |
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| 00:31.47 | SimonRaven | eh, whatever. i'll just do it manually |
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| 00:31.55 | waltermh | hi all |
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| 00:32.05 | mfrisch | :-) |
| 00:32.08 | waltermh | anybody here using reiser4? |
| 00:32.17 | cheal | !anybody |
| 00:32.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:32.24 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: yeah, I mean, I've got a package here that actually runs cdebootstrap inside of pbuilder to build... and it doesn't have any real problems... |
| 00:32.24 | mfrisch | no |
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| 00:32.37 | SimonRaven | strange |
| 00:32.40 | waltermh | ok, thanks |
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| 00:33.19 | waltermh | i dont know if its official or not, sincei just saw a patch for 2.6 in debian unstable |
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| 00:33.41 | dondelelcaro | Current time: Tue Sep 13 17:26:01 PDT 2005 to Current time: Tue Sep 13 17:29:28 PDT 2005 |
| 00:33.44 | thingfish | waltermh: if you hang out in linux channels, you soon learn that in the majority of them, reiserfs is seen as still a little too on the experimental/iffy side. ext3 is tried and true. |
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| 00:34.05 | dondelelcaro | (granted, this is on a xeon with local packages, but you get the point) |
| 00:34.10 | SimonRaven | 3 minutes, heh |
| 00:34.13 | SimonRaven | yeh |
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| 00:36.40 | waltermh | actually, i know how reiser is seen, but its still used alot, and i am curious if anybody has experimented with 4 anyways, version 3 did me well for years til recently, i am curious about reiser4 development, i just dont keep up with technical things too well |
| 00:37.02 | petemc | check /. |
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| 00:38.14 | furrywolf_ | stock debian 2.6.8 kernel, trying to make sound work... no luck. the opl3sa2 module gets loaded, and says it finds a card, but things sent to /dev/dsp don't get played, and cat /dev/mixer gives invalid argument. |
| 00:38.14 | cheal | !tell waltermh about fs comparison |
| 00:38.32 | waltermh | lol |
| 00:38.35 | jaaro | thingfish: you mean _every_ reiserfs or just the new reiser4? |
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| 00:40.40 | thingfish | jaaro: any mention I've heard of reiserfs - coupled with my own bad experience - has suggested reiserfs* is to be avoided. |
| 00:41.07 | thingfish | it seems real fast, until *poof* one day everything goes up in smoke. |
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| 00:43.01 | starbuck | anyone know where I can find some docs on the x86_64 branch? |
| 00:43.33 | sweetbret | what are possible causes of a "<1> could not handle kernel paging request.....<0> Kernel Panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler! In interrupt handler - not syncing" error? |
| 00:43.44 | SimonRaven | kernel bug |
| 00:43.51 | SimonRaven | more info is above that |
| 00:44.10 | sweetbret | yeah its all cryptic |
| 00:44.49 | sweetbret | i can install Woody, but if i try to upgrade the kernel to 2.4 or 2.6, i get those errors all the time |
| 00:44.50 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 00:44.50 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 00:45.14 | starbuck | aprotman: thanks bud |
| 00:45.30 | abrotman | there's a new variation |
| 00:45.39 | sweetbret | usually if i compile something or use apt-get, then i'll reboot and it will want to run fsck, and i'll get the error while fsck runs |
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| 00:45.53 | sweetbret | i am trying to run debian on a laptop with 16mb memory |
| 00:45.53 | abrotman | bah .. stupid fucking bots are back |
| 00:45.55 | starbuck | abrotman: are the packages available or install cd's? |
| 00:45.58 | sweetbret | btw |
| 00:45.58 | bob2 | kernel bug or bad hardware |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | starbuck: yep .. ask #debian-amd64 .. they know more about it than i do :) |
| 00:46.32 | starbuck | abrotman: np, just convo ;) |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | starbuck: and those webpages above should also help |
| 00:47.08 | abrotman | starbuck: sarge release was unofficial but has official security support |
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| 00:47.29 | starbuck | abrotman: gonna check them out, if I need more info I'll try #debian-amd |
| 00:47.40 | abrotman | starbuck: #debian-amd64 |
| 00:48.05 | starbuck | abrotman: or amd64 even |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | ok .. just so you don't get lost :) |
| 00:49.03 | lakcaj | Yellow. Did an upgrade today, running etch, and gnome is having troubles. It appears to want to launch, get the spash screen, but I just get two empty panel and no background, and can't launch anything or right click on the desktop. |
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| 00:49.09 | waltermh | thingfish, thats why i am interested in reiser4, it has always been admitted that reiser3 had its problems with corruption and reiser4 is meant to fix that, also those tests look promising for what i need, except for one thing, what is considered a large file? i move alot of 200MB video around, and it seems rieser is best for small files, they never say what is considered large or small |
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| 00:49.41 | waltermh | i might be interested in xfs depending |
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| 00:49.52 | dub | Im trying to install a package that depends on sun-j2sdk1.5 and java2-runtime, neither of can be found in a search on packages.debian |
| 00:50.01 | cheal | !tell dub about java |
| 00:50.02 | thingfish | waltermh: then maybe look into xfs - I hear it's made for large files. |
| 00:50.15 | sweetbret | anyone know of a good "low-mem" how-to for a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:50.23 | lakcaj | waltermh, I gave xfs a try and found it slower than reiserfs3. Noticeably slower, but it might vary from system to system. |
| 00:50.23 | abrotman | sweetbret: don't run X :) |
| 00:50.36 | sweetbret | abrotman: keyword "kernel" |
| 00:50.54 | sweetbret | i guess i phrased the q wrong |
| 00:50.55 | abrotman | sweetbret: load as few modules as possible .. and if you're really concerned .. compile your own |
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| 00:51.22 | sweetbret | i've been trying to compile my own, still get those errors, which i'm convinced are because of low mem |
| 00:51.38 | waltermh | well, overall the computer is made up of small files system wide, but personally i move around alot, anybody know what size file is considered a large file? do they mean 1GB files, 100MB and larger files? |
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| 00:53.21 | caphuso | waltermh: more like 1MiB+ |
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| 00:53.24 | thingfish | xfs was made for handling large graphics files, iirc...and I mean like gigabytes. |
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| 00:53.51 | waltermh | caphuso, is that 1MB? |
| 00:54.01 | thingfish | didn't it originate with Silicon Graphics? |
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| 00:54.10 | thingfish | !xfs |
| 00:54.10 | dpkg | from memory, xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at ... |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | yes XFS is the child of SGI |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | like JFS is the child of IBM(or Dynix) |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | !jfs |
| 00:54.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it an other try... Maybe worth it! |
| 00:54.32 | lemur | I heard that XFS is great for large files and high throughput. I don't know how JFS compares. |
| 00:54.36 | thingfish | cool, thanks abrotman. |
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| 00:54.49 | bob2 | XFS had a nasty habit of overwriting my files with 0's, tho |
| 00:54.52 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 00:54.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 00:54.53 | bob2 | that's why I stopped using it |
| 00:54.56 | Guerin | xfs has problems with power loss |
| 00:55.00 | waltermh | hmm, tough one |
| 00:55.05 | abrotman | bob2: that's the UPS problem |
| 00:55.07 | Guerin | as does ricer |
| 00:55.10 | caphuso | waltermh: 1024^2 byte |
| 00:55.10 | jcurry | bob2: sorry, i was afk... |
| 00:55.11 | abrotman | reiser has the same problem |
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| 00:55.20 | lemur | I heard that UFS2 spanks all the other filesystems |
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| 00:55.33 | waltermh | it seems there are warnings all over about every journaled filesystem having problems with power loss |
| 00:55.33 | abrotman | FFS ? |
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| 00:55.39 | bob2 | abrotman: hah |
| 00:55.42 | gnat_x | is a 686 kernel what i want to use for a xeon processor? |
| 00:55.49 | gnat_x | of should i stick with 386 |
| 00:55.49 | Guerin | waltermh: ext3 doesn't |
| 00:55.56 | bob2 | gnat_x: either |
| 00:55.59 | lemur | gnat_x: 686 should work |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | waltermh: apparently ext3 doesnt' have the same issue .. read the reiserfs link in the fs comparison factoid above |
| 00:56.02 | bob2 | ext3 has been very solid for me |
| 00:56.07 | gnat_x | thanks. |
| 00:56.11 | abrotman | gnat_x: HT ? |
| 00:56.13 | lemur | a lot of weight goes behind ext3 |
| 00:56.14 | waltermh | but ext3 isnt true journaling, its patches on top of ext2 from my understanding |
| 00:56.24 | lemur | I heard that it's underperforming, but stable. I have no comment on this. |
| 00:56.24 | bob2 | waltermh: no |
| 00:56.30 | abrotman | bob2: agreed .. if i were doing video(and had backups) i'd use XFS for the scratch drive |
| 00:56.35 | bob2 | it's more journaly than any other FS |
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| 00:56.36 | lemur | Nothing beats ext2 for raw speed. :) |
| 00:56.41 | waltermh | i already read links, but i cant take ext3 serious, it sounds too attached to ext2 |
| 00:56.43 | bob2 | since it can journal data as well as metadata |
| 00:56.45 | lemur | Sure, it will corrupt your data, but look how fast it is! |
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| 00:56.51 | bob2 | waltermh: someone's been misleading you then |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | waltermh: depends how much you like your data |
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| 00:57.04 | caphuso | waltermh: nonsense |
| 00:57.09 | lemur | abrotman: I could stand to lose some |
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| 00:57.27 | lemur | Data is like laundry in my house...it tends to accumulate indefinitely. :-/ |
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| 00:57.42 | waltermh | nobody misleads me, i back up data, so not worried about that |
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| 00:57.51 | petemc | waltermh: care to point out whats wrong with ext2? |
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| 00:57.59 | jcurry | i installed xorg-server, xorg-common, and xlibmesa-dri from experimental in an attempt to get the latest dri fro my radeon 9200se...xorg hangs on startup (i must use alt+sysrq) and the last line in the log is 'loading r200 microcode'...and the only warning that i haven't seen before is "no matching Device section for busid pci:1:0:1" lspci says that this is a "secondary" interface to my video card, or something. I realize that experimental is not s |
| 00:58.08 | lemur | there is no replacement for data backup. Except for maybe remote mirros |
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| 00:58.20 | waltermh | nothing, it just feels old, behind the times, we should always look to better ways to do things |
| 00:58.20 | bob2 | jcurry: don't have busid's in your config file at all |
| 00:58.58 | jcurry | bob2: i tried commenting it out, since another warning said it wasn't being used...it didn't help |
| 00:58.59 | waltermh | its not like i have a super critical server, i just have my desktop, i dont mind experimenting |
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| 00:59.11 | jcurry | bob2: i'm not even sure if it is relevant |
| 00:59.13 | abrotman | waltermh: are you looking for FS to try? |
| 00:59.22 | bob2 | jcurry: I'd just file a bug then |
| 00:59.27 | bob2 | jcurry: assuming your kernel isn't whack |
| 00:59.28 | caphuso | waltermh: so it's "i don't understand shit, i especially don't understand ext2 and ext3, and that's why i don't like them". is that right? |
| 00:59.49 | Guerin | ext* aren't exactly ancient. they are mature... |
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| 00:59.50 | mlewis00 | Is there a switch that I can use with apt-get to stop it from upgrading / removing packages when I just want to install several packages? |
| 00:59.51 | waltermh | yeah, i am looking to experiment again, xfs looked interesting in the tests, and reiser4 looks interesting |
| 00:59.57 | jcurry | bob2: that could be it too...i 'll try the latest 2.6.13, i'm currently running 2.6.12.5 |
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| 01:00.11 | bob2 | mlewis00: it will only upgrade things if it needs to, i nthat case |
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| 01:01.03 | mlewis00 | bob2: I don't want it to...I just want to install some packages and not have it upgrade or remove anything. |
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| 01:01.10 | abrotman | waltermh: honestly .. reiser is the only one i wouldn't use :) |
| 01:01.10 | Guerin | well, i've been using ricer4 on my breaker box for a few months without data loss |
| 01:01.11 | Guerin | don't notice any speed boost, though, and I had to build the kernel modules myself |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | waltermh: also depends on your data .. file sizes etc |
| 01:01.11 | Guerin | but i use ext3 for anything i actually care about |
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| 01:01.32 | bob2 | mlewis00: which is not possible in this case, since it Depends on newer versions of things |
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| 01:03.06 | waltermh | thanks for your opinions |
| 01:03.35 | mlewis00 | bob2: Hmmm...well, it wants to remove gnome-desktop-environment for example, which I don't want to do, etc. |
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| 01:03.48 | waltermh | does remind me i need to put a UPS on my shopping list |
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| 01:03.52 | abrotman | mlewis00: metapackage |
| 01:04.03 | bob2 | mlewis00: welcome to sid (or testing)! |
| 01:04.23 | starbuck | abrotman: thank thats link had all the docs I needed. |
| 01:04.32 | mlewis00 | bob2: I'm using Sarge (which I thought was released) :-) |
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| 01:04.39 | abrotman | starbuck: yay |
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| 01:04.51 | bob2 | mlewis00: then there should be nothing to update |
| 01:04.53 | abrotman | mlewis00: what are you trying to install ? |
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| 01:06.08 | mlewis00 | bob2: I've been getting updates every day since I heard that it was released ??? I noticed no change in the number of updates after its release. |
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| 01:06.21 | thecoolestcow | hey, can someone suggest the most user-friendly, easiest FTP client that i can download? |
| 01:06.24 | bob2 | mlewis00: then you're not using sarge |
| 01:06.24 | dub | so how does a package make it into stable that you cant install |
| 01:06.32 | dub | because of java restrictions |
| 01:06.33 | bob2 | thecoolestcow: gnome's file manager is a ftp client |
| 01:06.33 | thecoolestcow | hey, can someone suggest the most user-friendly, easiest FTP SERVER that i can download? |
| 01:06.40 | thecoolestcow | i meant that |
| 01:06.42 | OsakanOne | Behold! I am a Debian n00b, ditching windows in the name of all things OpenSource! |
| 01:06.44 | mlewis00 | abrotman: Any package that I try to install triggers a massive upgrade... |
| 01:06.45 | bob2 | mlewis00: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
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| 01:06.52 | kawaii_nee_san | OsakanOne hi ;) |
| 01:06.54 | bob2 | thecoolestcow: vsftpd |
| 01:06.55 | lemur | thecoolestcow: ftp.debian.org |
| 01:06.55 | cheal | dub: which java restrictions? |
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| 01:07.03 | OsakanOne | kawaii_nee_san: hey |
| 01:07.07 | martman | whats the name of the program that runs on first boot? |
| 01:07.21 | kawaii_nee_san | what are your hardware stats on the linux machine? |
| 01:07.21 | cheal | martman: debian-installer? base-config? |
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| 01:07.24 | thecoolestcow | bob2: thanks |
| 01:07.31 | dub | cheal, whatever one makes it impossible to install j2sdk1.5 |
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| 01:07.46 | mlewis00 | bob2: Yes, I've been using Sarge for over a year...will paste the sources.list. |
| 01:07.49 | kawaii_nee_san | amd 1.5ghz? i believe thats the k7 install right? |
| 01:08.14 | martman | cheal thanks |
| 01:08.19 | cheal | dub: I don't know of any such thing |
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| 01:08.29 | OsakanOne | KNS, it was mostly automated. All I did was setup the partitions in cfdisk. |
| 01:08.40 | bob2 | kawaii_nee_san: I think there were 1.5ghz opteron's |
| 01:08.45 | bob2 | if you don't know, it's probably a k7, yes |
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| 01:09.03 | dub | cheal, I guess I missed something then. |
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| 01:09.15 | kawaii_nee_san | thanx bob2, trying to get OsakanOne here set up with a real debian ~_^ |
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| 01:09.19 | abrotman | mlewis00: did yu paste them yet? |
| 01:09.24 | sweetbret | is it possible to remove apt cdrom support after it has been enabled? |
| 01:09.25 | dub | the fact that it doesnt exist in debian, and isnt available for download from sun.com |
| 01:09.28 | OsakanOne | lol |
| 01:09.38 | bob2 | sweetbret: sure, drop the cdrom line from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:09.45 | OsakanOne | Link me a torrent and I'll install it in thursday. I've got college in the morning. |
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| 01:10.05 | sweetbret | did that, still tried to load cdrom stuff...odd |
| 01:10.06 | OsakanOne | Gotta fill in some crap for my grant, then I can go to the pub. |
| 01:10.07 | kawaii_nee_san | one sec |
| 01:10.09 | cheal | dub: sun.com doesn't offer debian packages. |
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| 01:10.29 | cheal | dub: and debian can't offer JRE/JDK packages |
| 01:10.39 | cheal | !tell dub about install java |
| 01:10.41 | kawaii_nee_san | do you have a cd or dvd burner on that notebook OsakanOne |
| 01:10.45 | Guerin | OsakanOne: debian isn't about opensource, it's about free software. |
| 01:10.48 | kawaii_nee_san | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 01:10.57 | OsakanOne | Thanks. |
| 01:10.57 | dub | cheal, so why include packages in stable that cannot be installed? |
| 01:10.58 | lemur | debian is about LOVE AND PEACE |
| 01:11.06 | OsakanOne | Does it include pager & Iconify? |
| 01:11.16 | kawaii_nee_san | anything you can think of can be done with it. |
| 01:11.17 | bob2 | dub: nothing in Debian stable Depends on java |
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| 01:11.31 | bob2 | dub: if something requires something outside Debian, it goes in the "contrib" section |
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| 01:11.37 | kawaii_nee_san | and apt-get install <poackage> is teh shit |
| 01:11.37 | cheal | dub: they can be installed |
| 01:11.41 | Guerin | dub: you don't really understand sun java licensing, do you |
| 01:11.45 | OsakanOne | And for the fdsking love of god, where can I find a nice down to earth compiling tutorial for OS10 & Debian? |
| 01:11.47 | bob2 | mlewis00: 11:11:12 mlewis00 | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 01:11.52 | kawaii_nee_san | and alien can translate packages from other distros a lot.. |
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| 01:12.06 | kawaii_nee_san | try the debian main page |
| 01:12.06 | Guerin | OsakanOne: you shouldn't ever need to compile anything on debian |
| 01:12.16 | dub | bob2, http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/azureus |
| 01:12.17 | lemur | extra terrestrials have linux distros far advanced to what we've accomplished =( |
| 01:12.20 | D13GU___ | hi all! somebody know a equation of M$ Office? is exists something seemed fo linux? |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | mlewis00: welcome to etch |
| 01:12.25 | kawaii_nee_san | Guerin sometimes custom packages require it ive seen :) |
| 01:12.29 | dub | Guerin, I dont think I really need to? |
| 01:12.34 | abrotman | mlewis00: aka .. testing |
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| 01:12.39 | OsakanOne | Guerin: One must learn. |
| 01:12.40 | mlewis00 | abrotman: Just noticed that...I need to change 'testing' to 'sarge' or 'stable'... |
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| 01:12.44 | cheal | D13GU___: you must mean an equivalent |
| 01:12.51 | Guerin | dub: if you did, you'd not be asking such stupid questions. |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | mlewis00: might be too late .. but hey .. go ahead and try |
| 01:12.54 | cheal | !tell D13GU___ about openoffice |
| 01:13.01 | bob2 | dub: which, shockingly, is not in Debian; it's in contrib, which is explicitly for things which need stuff from outside Debian |
| 01:13.02 | Guerin | OsakanOne: read the nm guide then |
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| 01:13.12 | bob2 | dub: see above |
| 01:13.15 | D13GU___ | cheal the equation is better.. |
| 01:13.27 | OsakanOne | kk |
| 01:13.30 | mlewis00 | abrotman: Probably...could I do a dist-upgrade after changing it and would it roll everything back? |
| 01:13.56 | kawaii_nee_san | OsakanOne somewhere or other ive a buddy with a nice page for extra packages once initial install is done |
| 01:13.56 | cheal | D13GU___: what's your native language? |
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| 01:14.05 | lemur | cheal: must be C |
| 01:14.07 | OsakanOne | Nice |
| 01:14.13 | D13GU___ | cheal portuguese :) |
| 01:14.15 | OsakanOne | Night, all. |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | mlewis00: no .. downgrade not possible |
| 01:14.27 | lemur | I know a portuguese girl! She's so hot. ;_; |
| 01:14.36 | kawaii_nee_san | hrm. |
| 01:14.40 | D13GU___ | hehehe girl no! |
| 01:14.43 | mlewis00 | abrotman: &%&^%$&^ |
| 01:14.52 | sweetbret | the kernel-config file that is in the woody i386 floppy directories, is that a .config file that one could use to compile new kernels? |
| 01:15.00 | abrotman | mlewis00: apparently you mime-encoded your IRC message. |
| 01:15.18 | lemur | I don't know what mime is, but I think it's evil |
| 01:15.31 | mlewis00 | abrotman: That was a string of unspeakables... |
| 01:15.31 | D13GU___ | i need WYSIWYG editors.. |
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| 01:15.39 | lemur | D13GU___: abiword |
| 01:15.45 | abrotman | whoops |
| 01:15.46 | kawaii_nee_san | question: has anyone here gotten skype to work on anything similar to my system? [amd xp athalon 1.667Ghz gig mem nvidea vid card soundblaster 2 sound] |
| 01:15.58 | lemur | kawaii_nee_san: yes, on windows ;) |
| 01:16.02 | kawaii_nee_san | lmfao |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | !mime |
| 01:16.03 | dpkg | it has been said that mime is multipurpose internet mail extensions. This refers to functions used for the attachment of binary files to an e-mail message. MIME is the most common group of functions used to make this translation, and allows us to tack on graphics, sound, and executable files to our e-mail messages. |
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| 01:16.11 | Guerin | nobody needs ysiwyg editors |
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| 01:16.16 | lemur | !tell lemur about mime |
| 01:16.24 | D13GU___ | lemur the abiword export to .doc or .odt or .swx? |
| 01:16.25 | mfrisch | kawaii_nee_san yes skype sucks |
| 01:16.27 | drp | wysiwyg? |
| 01:16.27 | jmg | kawaii_nee_san: i have got it on ubuntu |
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| 01:16.45 | Guerin | kawaii_nee_san: skype is proprietary software which ain't in debian. Ask #skype |
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| 01:17.03 | mfrisch | kawaii_nee_san you can get a .deb |
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| 01:17.04 | mlewis00 | abrotman: I think I'm already done for since my libc6 has already been replaced...guess that's what I get for not keeping up with it :_( |
| 01:17.04 | lemur | D13GU___: I think so... .doc yes, not sure of .swx or .odt |
| 01:17.09 | kawaii_nee_san | lemur i meant on debian.. as i had a crapload of trouble around christmas... windows hates me now.. *sighs* should have gone to store instead of purchasing key from some guy wid teh buddy hookup :/ |
| 01:17.10 | lemur | but I recommend .abw ;) |
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| 01:17.19 | abrotman | mlewis00: yay etcjh! |
| 01:17.22 | lemur | kawaii_nee_san: windows hates everybody |
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| 01:17.27 | kawaii_nee_san | well |
| 01:17.29 | D13GU___ | drp: What You See Is What You Get |
| 01:17.38 | drp | D13GU___: it was a correction |
| 01:17.39 | Guerin | what you see is all you get |
| 01:17.44 | mlewis00 | abrotman: I guess I'll have to figure out how to reinstall with minimal effort... |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | !d-i mlewis00 |
| 01:18.00 | D13GU___ | drp a ok :) |
| 01:18.00 | dpkg | mlewis00, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:18.04 | kawaii_nee_san | windows is fine.. well shitty but fine... its the friggan update that gets me... apparently it was from his company's general install key or just some key or somethingortherdamhim |
| 01:18.06 | abrotman | mlewis00: and don't do that testing thing again :) |
| 01:18.15 | lemur | kawaii_nee_san: there is no reason why skype should not work given your hardware; check your software (ie the system) |
| 01:18.15 | bucky | D13GU___ get http://www.nvu.com/ |
| 01:18.42 | mlewis00 | abrotman: That was done by the original installation from d-i ... |
| 01:18.44 | D13GU___ | bucky nvu is a web editor, no? |
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| 01:19.00 | abrotman | mlewis00: no |
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| 01:19.23 | looneybird_77590 | hello |
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| 01:19.35 | lemur | the best web editor is vi! or emacs, depending on which way you swing |
| 01:20.02 | abrotman | lemur: not always |
| 01:20.14 | dub | is it possible to download jdk1.5 from anywhere? |
| 01:20.21 | mfrisch | sun |
| 01:20.33 | bob2 | sure |
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| 01:20.35 | abrotman | oh .. tricky answer! |
| 01:20.37 | lemur | abrotman: sure, unless you're a girly man |
| 01:20.41 | bob2 | I have it here on y hard disk |
| 01:20.45 | dub | is there a secret password or an angle to hold your tongue at? |
| 01:20.46 | Guerin | dub: read the fuckin topic already |
| 01:20.46 | abrotman | lemur: some people use bluefish |
| 01:20.58 | lemur | just kidding, of course...making fun of my governer ;_; |
| 01:21.01 | mark | Hello all! can anyone tell me where to look to get new entry's for my "sources.list" file under /etc/apt ?? |
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| 01:21.14 | Guerin | mark: run apt-setup |
| 01:21.15 | bob2 | mark: entries for what? |
| 01:21.17 | lemur | !tell lemur about bluefish |
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| 01:21.22 | mlewis00 | abrotman: Those are the original lines from the install...I just commented out the additional lines that I had added for alternative sources during install. |
| 01:21.30 | lxuser_ | when is bush going to jail ? |
| 01:21.31 | dub | Guerin, Hi!, no that doesnt tell me anything new, thanks |
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| 01:21.40 | abrotman | mlewis00: don't use testing lines :) |
| 01:21.40 | D13GU___ | bluefish is perfect! |
| 01:21.41 | mfrisch | mark apt-get.org |
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| 01:21.48 | lemur | lxuser_: when I get my hands on him |
| 01:22.06 | lemur | I kinda liked quanta, except how often it crashed. Unbelievable. |
| 01:22.10 | kawaii_nee_san | eh |
| 01:22.28 | zerve_the_death | i install xserver-xfree86 and the XF86Config-4 its empty any help? |
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| 01:22.34 | Guerin | dub: if you installed the packages it tells you to and read the README files which come with them, you'd know where to start looking |
| 01:22.37 | bob2 | zerve_the_death: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 01:22.57 | kawaii_nee_san | screw it.... question to room: is there an advantage of waiting till saturday to dl install image? i e would there be changes b/t now and then... or would it even matter with apt-get working plz |
| 01:23.21 | Ronin | umm what happens saturday other then a kick ass jazz and blues festivalhere? |
| 01:23.25 | zerve_the_death | thanks bob2 |
| 01:23.31 | dub | Guerin, I think I need to get jdk1.5 and make it into a .deb then install it |
| 01:23.45 | Guerin | dub: right. |
| 01:23.46 | lemur | dub: or just use Sun's binary installer |
| 01:23.48 | mlewis00 | abrotman: Now I know, but (even though it does not matter now) the installer did that so I'll have to watch and see what it does on a fresh install...anyway, thanks for the help. No telling how long it would have taken me to find that. |
| 01:23.49 | bob2 | kawaii_nee_san: sarge won't be changing at all |
| 01:23.52 | Guerin | lemur: no |
| 01:23.56 | lemur | Guerin: why not? |
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| 01:24.04 | cheal | !smite lemur |
| 01:24.10 | Guerin | don't tell people to use the sun installer; make-jpkg was made for a reason |
| 01:24.14 | dub | Guerin, the problem I am having is, where the fuck do you get jdk1.5 |
| 01:24.15 | mfrisch | make-kpkg |
| 01:24.24 | mlewis00 | bob2: Thanks to you, too! |
| 01:24.26 | Guerin | dub: from sun.com? |
| 01:24.29 | lemur | are you suggesting a one-solution-suits-all solution? |
| 01:24.31 | Guerin | dub: just an idea |
| 01:24.34 | bob2 | dub: dude |
| 01:24.35 | dub | Guerin, apparently not. |
| 01:24.43 | Guerin | dub: apparently fucking so. |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | mlewis00: you could just keep using etch |
| 01:24.50 | dub | if you can apprently fucking show me |
| 01:24.57 | lemur | fuck you guys |
| 01:24.58 | kawaii_nee_san | bob2 how hard is the current testing to set up? <<-=-= uubn00b |
| 01:25.05 | dub | cause I am on to my 9th time reading the download page |
| 01:25.10 | abrotman | dub: java.com |
| 01:25.16 | cheal | lemur: because you don't recommend the worst way to do something when you know a better one? |
| 01:25.18 | bob2 | dub: the first hit on google for "linux jdk 1.5 download" is a download page |
| 01:25.24 | kawaii_nee_san | lmfao |
| 01:25.24 | kawaii_nee_san | hey |
| 01:25.25 | Guerin | dub: there's a fucking link at the TOP LEFT of sun.com which says JAVA |
| 01:25.26 | bob2 | kawaii_nee_san: not very |
| 01:25.31 | kawaii_nee_san | want the fastest way? |
| 01:25.36 | Guerin | dub: i suggest you CLICK THE FUCKING THING |
| 01:25.36 | dub | bob2, there is no link to 1.5 on that page |
| 01:25.38 | kawaii_nee_san | asureus.sourceforge.net |
| 01:25.41 | lemur | cheal: unless you define "better" |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | azureus ? |
| 01:25.45 | kawaii_nee_san | just go to the java friggan link there :D |
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| 01:25.51 | lemur | abrotman: right |
| 01:25.56 | mlewis00 | abrotman: Won't I have the same problem I had with Sarge concerning security updates? I waited for a long time for Sarge to become stable so that it would have security updates. |
| 01:26.03 | lemur | rtfm, man, rtfm |
| 01:26.04 | bob2 | dub: yes. there. is. |
| 01:26.05 | abrotman | mlewis00: see the topic |
| 01:26.12 | bob2 | dub: " JDK 5.0 Update 4 includes the JVM technology" |
| 01:26.13 | mlewis00 | abrotman: OK... |
| 01:26.24 | lemur | mlewis00: I thought sarge WAS a security update :-/ |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | bob2: hard .. stop .. hurts! |
| 01:26.31 | cheal | lemur: java-package |
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| 01:26.33 | bob2 | dub: which goes to https://jsecom16d.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=E2EAD4F772081A2195025517DA32415E, which has the links themselves. |
| 01:26.45 | green_earz | dub: is it java for the brower you want ? |
| 01:27.03 | thecoolestcow | dudes, i set up CUPS incorrectly i guess, and now when i startup linux, my printer immediately starts printing endless pages of nothingness |
| 01:27.04 | mlewis00 | lemur: <shrug> |
| 01:27.06 | kawaii_nee_san | bob2 my main concern is video drivers for a nvidea fx5200 and sound drivers for soundblaster 2. the rest i should be able to cobble.. those are kewlish? [sorry for the q's but thanx for teh answers] |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | mlewis00: topic make sense ? |
| 01:27.27 | thecoolestcow | dudes, i set up CUPS incorrectly i guess, and now when i startup linux, my printer immediately starts printing endless pages of nothingness! anyone able to help me out? |
| 01:27.30 | bob2 | kawaii_nee_san: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 01:27.34 | dub | right so, jdk1.5 is intuitively names jdk5.0? |
| 01:27.35 | kawaii_nee_san | thanx |
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| 01:27.42 | dub | named* |
| 01:27.42 | mlewis00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.43 | zerve_the_death | still |
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| 01:27.44 | bob2 | kawaii_nee_san: if it's a pci sound blaster, it should work with no setup |
| 01:27.46 | zerve_the_death | :/ |
| 01:27.47 | bob2 | dub: yes, sun are shit |
| 01:28.00 | starbuck | java = bloat |
| 01:28.00 | kawaii_nee_san | dam. |
| 01:28.09 | dub | ok, thanks. |
| 01:28.21 | kawaii_nee_san | how about soundblaster 2? is that fairly streightforward too? |
| 01:28.22 | Guerin | dub: you can't blame #debian for sun's wacky versioning tendencies |
| 01:28.24 | starbuck | jdk5.0 they got by mass for the versions |
| 01:28.33 | dub | Guerin, I'm not |
| 01:28.37 | mlewis00 | abrotman: Haven't found the relavent part of the topic yet... |
| 01:28.40 | thecoolestcow | hey, anyone able to help me out? i set up CUPS incorrectly i guess, and now when i startup linux, my printer immediately starts printing endless pages of nothingness! |
| 01:28.46 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 01:28.46 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
| 01:28.46 | kawaii_nee_san | dub are you also dubkat by chance? |
| 01:28.53 | dub | kawaii_nee_san, no |
| 01:28.54 | Guerin | like the fact that solaris suddenly dropped 5 versions |
| 01:29.08 | cheal | !beer joeyh |
| 01:29.32 | cheal | that factoid doesn't scale to testing security |
| 01:29.39 | kawaii_nee_san | awesome bob2 thanx a lot~! im gonna give debain another shot this weekend then :):):) |
| 01:29.40 | starbuck | Guerin: ya there consistant with there inconsistancy |
| 01:29.52 | Guerin | !there |
| 01:29.56 | kawaii_nee_san | just need to burn about 350gigs before then... |
| 01:30.01 | Guerin | incredibubble |
| 01:30.12 | kawaii_nee_san | well im off all ^_~ have fun and er see ya soon >.> |
| 01:30.13 | Guerin | !there is <reply> where? |
| 01:30.15 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 01:30.34 | sweetbret | any one know if the "kernel-config" file in the woody/main/disks-i386-current/images-1.44 directory is a .config file you can use to compile a custom kernel? |
| 01:30.35 | dub | so you guys might possible take on board the idea that repeating things in a demeaning way or using excessive punctuation will not help make people jump to impossible conclusions that something apt asks for does exist but not by the name apt uses |
| 01:30.50 | abrotman | dub: are you intentionally being an ass ? |
| 01:31.00 | Guerin | dub: eh? |
| 01:31.02 | dub | no, I think several people here were though |
| 01:31.21 | bob2 | it was a miscommunication |
| 01:31.31 | bob2 | and people were indeed unfairly harsh |
| 01:31.34 | starbuck | he has a good point |
| 01:31.53 | Guerin | no |
| 01:32.03 | mlewis00 | abrotman: If you are referring to the ' /msg dpkg testing security' part of the topic, it just tells me to use an alternate source for security updates but gives no information about how complete the updates might be. |
| 01:32.06 | Guerin | his problem was that he couldn't download java from sun |
| 01:32.14 | abrotman | mlewis00: that url should htough |
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| 01:32.22 | Guerin | this means that sun's delivery mechanism, which we have no control over, is not goo enough |
| 01:32.32 | cheal | oh cool, testing security made it to /topic :) |
| 01:32.38 | abrotman | mlewis00: let me put it this way .. i wouldn't use it for a server .. but it's just a workstation :) |
| 01:32.54 | starbuck | ok so it could be up dated to say jdk1.5 aka jdk5.0 |
| 01:32.58 | Guerin | the question was offtopic, nothing to do with debian, and in any case, documented in make-jpkg and a trillion other places on the web |
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| 01:33.21 | abrotman | ok .. i'm confused .. are cheal and chealer different people ? |
| 01:33.44 | cheal | abrotman: er, not really. |
| 01:33.51 | g8se | Anyone here a postfix guru who can help me with an ldap lookup for aliases? |
| 01:34.09 | cheal | I just use cheal instead of, say, cheale1 |
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| 01:34.46 | mlewis00 | abrotman: That's what I'm trying to do...i.e. I want it online all of the time (DSL) and I don't want to worry about hackers. I won't be serving any web pages or anything but the 24/7 online presents a security threat by itself. |
| 01:35.49 | abrotman | mlewis00: ok |
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| 01:37.00 | mlewis00 | abrotman: So I will look into reinstalling on this machine, although I will probably use etch for any new desktop installations... |
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| 01:37.25 | abrotman | mlewis00: ah ok |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | mlewis00: don't use testing for your server :) |
| 01:37.46 | sanxiyn | Weirdness: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/09/msg00657.html |
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| 01:37.58 | mlewis00 | abrotman: :) |
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| 01:38.58 | abrotman | sanxiyn: and? |
| 01:39.49 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:39.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:40.01 | zerve_the_death | lol |
| 01:40.13 | starbuck | lol |
| 01:40.31 | sanxiyn | "I am a cow, you are too" and "I weigh twice as much as you"? |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | yes ? |
| 01:40.51 | sanxiyn | Isn't that a contradiction... |
| 01:41.04 | buu | sanxiyn: Fat cow and skinny cow. |
| 01:41.09 | thomas001 | he is a fat cow,you apparently not ;) |
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| 01:41.23 | looneybird_77590 | i installed module-assistant yesterday. where would the docs for it be installed? and how do i use access the program? |
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| 01:41.44 | martman | i keep getting "E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs" from my new install |
| 01:41.53 | martman | just got it from grabbing a kernel 2.6 image |
| 01:41.54 | sanxiyn | looneybird_77590: /usr/share/doc/module-assistant. Read HOWTO. |
| 01:42.04 | martman | anyone know anything on this? |
| 01:42.08 | martman | anychance |
| 01:42.19 | looneybird_77590 | ok thanx |
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| 01:43.52 | starbuck | big cow know big kung fu |
| 01:44.18 | RvGaTe | yo pplz ! |
| 01:44.22 | RvGaTe | how's everybody |
| 01:44.33 | sanxiyn | alive |
| 01:44.44 | RvGaTe | that good or bad? :P |
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| 01:45.57 | abrotman | !prise shingouz |
| 01:46.07 | dondelelcaro | martman: first upgrade to sarge. *then* upgrade to unstable. |
| 01:46.36 | martman | i just did a testing netinstall |
| 01:46.39 | RvGaTe | just wondering, what's the purpose of the unstable version... i mean, isn't that outdated? |
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| 01:48.36 | Guerin | RvGaTe: um |
| 01:48.40 | webfreak | ... |
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| 01:48.41 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 01:48.41 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 01:49.10 | webfreak | s/outdated/mostly bleeding edge |
| 01:49.13 | martman | any other ideas or am i missing something? |
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| 01:50.13 | webfreak | or mostly working, or mostly broken.. it depends :) |
| 01:51.10 | adjacent | im unstable, trying to install mysql-common mysql-client mysql-server, but i get: mysql-server: Depends: mysql-server-4.1 but it is not going to be installed |
| 01:51.40 | webfreak | adjacent: last i checked, you had to specify -4.1 or -5.0 now |
| 01:51.58 | adjacent | hmm. i need to read the differences b/w then then ;) |
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| 01:52.26 | paul_ | hello |
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| 01:53.21 | kb9way | how ya guys doing |
| 01:53.24 | khermans | i am getting 404 errors when connecting to http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 01:53.26 | khermans | with apt |
| 01:53.35 | RvGaTe | Anyone knows if its possible to bridge automaticly generated virtual interfaces ? (so the interfaces can access eachother) im trying to get a vpn server get to work with online gaming... |
| 01:53.37 | sanxiyn | khermans: Too bad. |
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| 01:53.53 | khermans | sanxiyn, would you know why this is? |
| 01:53.56 | Syed | I have a dell inspiron 600m laptop with Sarge installed together with Windows XP Prof; When I shutdown from Linux it brings down the system and powers off but does not shutdown the laptop I have to hold the power off button to shutdown. Is there something I can do to have it shutdown from Linux just like I shutdown completely from Windows? |
| 01:54.28 | sanxiyn | Syed: If ACPI work, Linux should power off by itself. |
| 01:54.56 | Syed | What is ACPI? |
| 01:54.57 | RvGaTe | sanxiyn: isn't it controlled by the command you type in? like "Halt is Power off"? |
| 01:55.06 | sanxiyn | Advanced Configuration and Power Interface or so. |
| 01:55.20 | sanxiyn | Something provided by your BIOS. |
| 01:55.32 | abrotman | Syed: apt-get install acpid |
| 01:55.37 | bucky | Syed, have you upgraded from your install kernel? |
| 01:56.49 | Syed | i just installed the Linux jus last night so it is the latest version |
| 01:57.02 | kb9way | any one have a link to where i can get a howto to compile my kernel in debian |
| 01:57.10 | drp | oh my |
| 01:57.12 | LordNazgul | im havin an issue with my sql. im real new to it and am just trying to get it up and running where do i store the usernames and passwords of users that can log into the mysql server. |
| 01:57.17 | Syed | unless I need to update more |
| 01:57.26 | cheal | !openoffice.org |
| 01:57.26 | cheal | dpkg: no, openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. OpenOffice.org 2 beta is packaged in experimental as openoffice.org2. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org |
| 01:57.26 | dpkg | i guess openoffice.org is a Free Software Productivity Suite based upon Sun's StarOffice http://www.openoffice.org. apt-get install openoffice.org. For openoffice specific questions please go to #openoffice.org or #debian-oo. |
| 01:57.26 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 01:57.49 | khermans | is amd64 supported by Debian |
| 01:57.50 | cheal | !tekk kb9way about kp |
| 01:58.05 | khermans | i see amd64 packages, but having so many issues |
| 01:58.08 | dondelelcaro | khermans: effectively, yes; it's just not in the main archive. |
| 01:58.13 | cheal | khermans: not officially yet |
| 01:58.15 | abrotman | khermans: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 01:58.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: can unregistered people msg dpkg ? |
| 01:58.36 | kb9way | any one wanna help me out |
| 01:58.57 | RvGaTe | did you guys just ignored my question, or are you guys thinking of the answer? :P (sorry, im this [---] close to getting drunk :D) |
| 01:58.58 | kb9way | i wanna compile a new kernel for debian 3.1 |
| 01:59.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: they should be able to |
| 01:59.31 | RvGaTe | ooooh shit |
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| 02:00.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i was just wondering if all this /msg dpkg blah was useless |
| 02:00.29 | RvGaTe | !beer |
| 02:00.29 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
| 02:00.33 | RvGaTe | cool |
| 02:00.38 | webfreak | abrotman: what about "dpkg: tell blah about blah"? |
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| 02:00.59 | RvGaTe | !tell webfreak about beer |
| 02:01.02 | abrotman | webfreak: that shold be fine |
| 02:01.24 | webfreak | RvGaTe: thanks, apparently i forgot what beer is. |
| 02:01.31 | RvGaTe | D: |
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| 02:01.56 | RvGaTe | just let me know, and ill give you a reminder |
| 02:01.56 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 02:01.59 | shingouz | !camelsmite abrotman |
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| 02:02.19 | RvGaTe | now wtf is a camelsmite ? |
| 02:02.25 | RvGaTe | !tell me about camelsmite |
| 02:02.28 | webfreak | i read that as "with the files of a thousand camels" |
| 02:02.35 | webfreak | heh |
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| 02:02.48 | abrotman | :phillysmite shingouz |
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| 02:02.56 | RvGaTe | loloster: dpkg doesn't know what camelsmite's are |
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| 02:02.59 | RvGaTe | oops |
| 02:03.03 | RvGaTe | i meant to say lol |
| 02:03.35 | abrotman | !phillysmite shingouz |
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| 02:03.40 | shingouz | abrotman: that was just a thankyou for the prise ;) |
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| 02:04.23 | RvGaTe | not really busy in here right now |
| 02:04.28 | RvGaTe | everybody sleeping or dead? |
| 02:04.30 | Jenetik | whats a good program to take a screenshot of an mpeg movie |
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| 02:04.37 | Jenetik | I need the ability to scroll frame to frame |
| 02:04.43 | kobain | HI |
| 02:04.43 | l2cache | if i installed debian on my server tonight, is this place a good resource for any questions i might have? |
| 02:04.44 | Jenetik | and then screencap |
| 02:04.45 | Jenetik | thats it |
| 02:04.54 | Jenetik | totem and vlc don't do that |
| 02:04.55 | izzy | hi... I just did a fresh install and I screwed up something in the configuration, i guess. I want the screen to be 1024x768 but gnome GUI does not list that option. I want to change the x11 config file someplace.. but i forget where. |
| 02:05.10 | izzy | i have done it before, i just forget where it is. |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | shingouz: i know |
| 02:05.25 | RvGaTe | l2cache: yup, just dump your questions in here, and one of our politefull co-workers will try to answer them |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | shingouz: it's just because you don't sleep |
| 02:05.31 | kobain | u know... installing sarge, my pc had internet connection |
| 02:05.38 | kobain | then i didint |
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| 02:05.48 | RvGaTe | ? |
| 02:05.52 | kobain | i mean, right after the installation |
| 02:05.57 | abrotman | blame Hole |
| 02:06.09 | ScottT | ok guys ....newbeee question..loading Debian kernel 2.4 and Apt configuration isn't able to download from mirror.xmission to finish doing the net install...just times out.Any suggestions? |
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| 02:06.24 | RvGaTe | adjust the sources |
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| 02:06.33 | RvGaTe | apt-setup |
| 02:07.04 | martman | i keep getting "E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs" from my new install(testing netinstall) |
| 02:07.28 | ScottT | hmm looking at the screen right now apt configure is giving me cdrom install http ftp etc.. |
| 02:07.35 | izzy | well someone remind me the name of the tech support bot at least |
| 02:07.41 | bucky | Jenetik, there was something about that on /. today http://slashdot.org/articles/05/09/13/1427200.shtml?tid=152 |
| 02:07.51 | RvGaTe | ScottT: select FTP, and get the closest one |
| 02:07.56 | ScottT | gotcha |
| 02:08.21 | magyar | any word on a new installer? |
| 02:08.30 | abrotman | what about it ? |
| 02:08.32 | ScottT | RVGaTe - selected USA xmission.com - timing out |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | what new installer ? |
| 02:08.46 | RvGaTe | ScottT: select a different one then |
| 02:08.55 | ScottT | :) sounds like a plan' |
| 02:09.00 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 02:09.06 | magyar | abrotman: is there one comming any time soon? |
| 02:09.08 | Jenetik | bucky: thanks |
| 02:09.14 | ScottT | let me get this thing to time out |
| 02:09.14 | RvGaTe | you dont know, but im quite drunk now, and even i knew it ! |
| 02:09.17 | abrotman | magyar: the sarge installer isn't good enough ? |
| 02:09.36 | magyar | abrotman: the sarge installer sucks nuts |
| 02:09.38 | adjacent | i will break my system if i dist=upgrade from unstable to testing wont i? |
| 02:09.39 | dotfile | someone please remind me where x11 config stuff is... |
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| 02:09.52 | abrotman | magyar: guess you're fucked then |
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| 02:10.08 | RvGaTe | abrotman: no its not good, we need gfx in our installer, 3d worlds and live football etc... |
| 02:10.09 | martman | anyone? |
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| 02:10.19 | magyar | abrotman: its perfect if you are using 486 or Pentium 75 |
| 02:10.25 | kobain | in /usr/X11R6/bin |
| 02:10.36 | kobain | at least i config from there |
| 02:10.36 | bucky | RvGaTe, have you considered Alcoholics Anonymous? |
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| 02:10.43 | abrotman | magyar: right .. because more cruft makes it better how exactly? |
| 02:10.48 | RvGaTe | bucky: no, what is it ? :P |
| 02:10.55 | magyar | abrotman: yeap am fucked alright, just curios for how long :) |
| 02:10.57 | lakcaj | Hi. Did an upgrade today, running etch, and gnome is having troubles. It appears to want to launch, get the spash screen, but I just get two empty panel and no background, and can't launch anything or right click on the desktop. |
| 02:10.58 | abrotman | magyar: if you're not smart enough to use it .. try ubuntu |
| 02:11.05 | bucky | RvGaTe, its for people that drink too much |
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| 02:11.17 | RvGaTe | bucky: cool, what does it do? |
| 02:11.27 | Jenetik | bucky: is there a cinelerra debian pack? |
| 02:11.32 | magyar | abrotman: downloading as wee speak for the 5-th time, keeps failing on md5 |
| 02:11.34 | bucky | Jenetik, nope |
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| 02:11.43 | abrotman | magyar: pick a different mirror |
| 02:11.56 | RvGaTe | bucky: apt-get install alcoholicsa_4.3.2 ? |
| 02:12.05 | Jenetik | bucky: where do I get the .gz |
| 02:12.09 | Jenetik | and source |
| 02:12.12 | reis | Marcio Reis |
| 02:12.13 | Jenetik | http://www.ftconsult.com/twiki/bin/view/Cinelerra/Debian |
| 02:12.14 | Jenetik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.14 | magyar | abrotman: bahhhh, thx....thats an idea |
| 02:12.19 | bucky | RvGaTe, AA is in the phone book... go to a meeting |
| 02:12.40 | RvGaTe | bucky: not in my phonebook :S |
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| 02:13.02 | magyar | abrotman: i've been using M$ for a month now and i feel weak |
| 02:13.14 | ScottT | RvGaTe - selected another ftp site - timed out again |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:13.20 | RvGaTe | hmm |
| 02:13.31 | RvGaTe | ScottT: can you ping to any website/ftp at all ? |
| 02:13.47 | looneybird_77590 | ok, How-to for module-assistant is very brief. tells me to read the man-pages. I'm looking but dont see. |
| 02:13.49 | ScottT | yes..I can solve DNS and ip |
| 02:14.02 | ScottT | when I boot into the recovery mode |
| 02:14.08 | magyar | abrotman: i vote for the installer updates for new hardware every 3 months |
| 02:14.27 | cheal | !wayttd looneybird_77590 |
| 02:14.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, looneybird_77590? |
| 02:14.38 | abrotman | magyar: luckily .. you dont make that decision :) |
| 02:14.53 | dondelelcaro | magyar: voting doesn't do anything... actually doing the work does. |
| 02:14.54 | magyar | abrotman: why so? |
| 02:15.09 | abrotman | magyar: are you going to do the work? |
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| 02:15.20 | looneybird_77590 | trying to learn. |
| 02:15.28 | magyar | dondelelcaro: its not exactly backing a pizza you know |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman | exactly .. point made .. use it .. and don't complain .. or learn how to make it better |
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| 02:16.10 | RvGaTe | i agree to abrotman, now give that man a cooky ! |
| 02:16.22 | cheal | looneybird_77590: well, look at module-assistant's manpage then |
| 02:16.29 | abrotman | :cookie |
| 02:16.31 | abrotman | !cookie |
| 02:16.33 | dpkg | Hey abrotman, specperl is at http://www.keck.ucsf.edu/~kvale/specPerl/ or a big timesaver if you want to make a reasonably complex perl/Tk interface |
| 02:16.43 | RvGaTe | ? |
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| 02:17.13 | sanxiyn | magyar: Testing is very important indeed. You can track Etch installer and send installation reports. |
| 02:17.14 | adjacent | haha |
| 02:17.28 | sanxiyn | magyar: You may want to join debian-boot mailing list. |
| 02:18.06 | magyar | abrotman: whats the name to the installer channel? I cant find one sympatetic sole in this room :( |
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| 02:18.06 | abrotman | soul |
| 02:18.06 | sanxiyn | magyar: #debian-boot |
| 02:18.06 | abrotman | magyar: you won't find one there either . and you're likely to just piss them off |
| 02:18.07 | magyar | abrotman: uh-huh |
| 02:18.28 | magyar | abrotman: thats true |
| 02:18.31 | sanxiyn | Isn't sole a part of foot. |
| 02:18.37 | magyar | abrotman: i guess i loose |
| 02:18.40 | abrotman | sole is fish or foot |
| 02:18.44 | abrotman | soul is .. soul :) |
| 02:18.47 | magyar | sucks to be me |
| 02:19.08 | zielonytt | where i found people who speak in polish? |
| 02:19.15 | sanxiyn | magyar: See also http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerToday |
| 02:19.17 | magyar | you know what i meant in that sentence |
| 02:19.19 | bucky | !pl |
| 02:19.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 02:19.32 | magyar | sanxiyn: thank you |
| 02:19.55 | magyar | abrotman: you know what i meant in that sentence |
| 02:19.56 | RvGaTe | holy ,.s crap, i almost puked |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | no |
| 02:20.02 | Supaplex | heh M$ to kill Google http://xrl.us/hj4t |
| 02:20.04 | ScottT | heh |
| 02:20.06 | abrotman | RvGaTe: maybe you should go to bed |
| 02:20.17 | RvGaTe | you think? |
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| 02:20.25 | magyar | abrotman: sure as shit i wasnt talking about fishing or my painful feet |
| 02:20.26 | bucky | RvGaTe, if you're going to spew, don't spew in your keyboard |
| 02:20.35 | sanxiyn | Supaplex: Is that surprising? |
| 02:20.37 | RvGaTe | thats why i have you bucky ! |
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| 02:21.02 | Supaplex | nope :) |
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| 02:21.32 | looneybird_77590 | thats what i am trying to do. but cant find it. still learning how to figure out the file structure |
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| 02:22.00 | magyar | sanxiyn: what is on the "boot" mailing list? are they letting you download and test installers? |
| 02:22.08 | ScottT | RvGaTe - feeling better? |
| 02:22.11 | sanxiyn | magyar: Yes. |
| 02:22.20 | RvGaTe | ScottT.... no comment |
| 02:22.24 | sanxiyn | magyar: You'd better have a space computer. :( |
| 02:22.28 | sanxiyn | eh, spare |
| 02:22.32 | magyar | so why am i waisting time on you guys.....:) |
| 02:22.40 | RvGaTe | sanxiyn: space computer? lol |
| 02:23.09 | magyar | sanxiyn: i got a few drives in this one |
| 02:23.32 | magyar | sanxiyn: space computer with a sole |
| 02:23.34 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.49 | magyar | its an inside joke |
| 02:23.59 | magyar | abrotman wake up |
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| 02:24.06 | sanxiyn | magyar: And a girl from Ipanema. |
| 02:24.14 | concept10 | Im curious how someone installs a rootkit on your computer. Any knowledge on this? |
| 02:24.16 | abrotman | i'm up .. |
| 02:24.21 | abrotman | what was i supposed to do ? |
| 02:24.38 | magyar | you doing just fine |
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| 02:25.33 | SimonRaven | "waisting"? you expecting to gain weight soon? |
| 02:25.59 | RvGaTe | ScottT: got my pm? |
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| 02:26.46 | SimonRaven | concept10: depends on the rootkit, and the means of gaining access to the machine |
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| 02:27.34 | concept10 | SimonRaven: What do I use to stop someone from installing one on my server (sarge) firewall? |
| 02:27.35 | ScottT | RvGate - yes |
| 02:27.59 | RvGaTe | did you fixed your thing yet? |
| 02:28.03 | SimonRaven | concept10: just good security practices and luck |
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| 02:28.05 | ScottT | no... :( |
| 02:28.08 | RvGaTe | bah |
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| 02:28.18 | RvGaTe | just give the server away, its hopeless |
| 02:28.20 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 02:28.25 | ScottT | tried multiple ftp and still can't download pkges |
| 02:28.33 | dondelelcaro | ScottT: so try an http mirror |
| 02:28.37 | ScottT | ;-) ya right |
| 02:28.45 | RvGaTe | just enter a bnsh |
| 02:28.53 | ScottT | http mirror tried that as well .. just times out |
| 02:29.10 | adjacent | ScottT: use netselect on a big list to find one that works |
| 02:29.10 | RvGaTe | i think you're interfaces aren't correctly setup |
| 02:29.21 | magyar | sanxiyn: how can i tell agains which kernel the daily installers are built? |
| 02:29.22 | dondelelcaro | ScottT: well, something is wrong with your network if you can't telnet http.us.debian.org 80. |
| 02:29.30 | ScottT | I'm able to ping www as well as ip addresses just fine |
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| 02:29.54 | ScottT | ironically I can ping mirror.xmission.org just fine. |
| 02:30.07 | ScottT | just not download packages |
| 02:30.14 | ScottT | *downloading packages |
| 02:30.18 | cio | @ScottT, pastbin.ca you're /etc/init.d/networks |
| 02:30.28 | cio | @ScottT, pastbin.ca you're /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 02:30.41 | SimonRaven | please don't use @ that way, it's a trigger for one of the bots here |
| 02:31.00 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 02:31.01 | cio | Sorry. |
| 02:31.34 | SimonRaven | np |
| 02:31.40 | ScottT | just got an error message spurious 8259A interupt : IRQ7 |
| 02:31.57 | ScottT | I'm in recovery mode |
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| 02:33.27 | kahelas | Hello everyone. I'm having a little issue with graphics in LaTeX. It is complaining that I don't have a graphics.cfg file. So I look in /etc/texmf/latex, and it seems that I don't have permissions to access that directory. |
| 02:33.56 | cheal | looneybird_77590: maybe you'd find http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html useful |
| 02:34.30 | waltman | anyone have any idea when the problems with building the daily testing install iso's might be fixed? it's been a week now... |
| 02:34.38 | ScottT | cio - no network or networking directory |
| 02:34.51 | SimonRaven | network dir, networks file |
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| 02:35.10 | SimonRaven | a simple ls would've told you that |
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| 02:35.25 | ScottT | hehe found it thanks |
| 02:35.33 | bucky_ | hey, all... I'm trying to install the kavi2svcd application. When I run ./configure I get it can't find X and to enter the path where it can find it. The install notes say to enter --x-includes=DIR AND --x-libraries=DIR. Can I enter both on the same line? |
| 02:35.37 | ScottT | told you I'm a newbee |
| 02:36.39 | SimonRaven | bucky_: of course |
| 02:36.51 | bucky_ | like this... ./configure --x-includes=DIR --x-libraries=DIR |
| 02:37.08 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 02:37.24 | SimonRaven | usually --with-x is enough, if present |
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| 02:37.54 | bucky_ | --with-x implies it will find the directory where X is? |
| 02:38.07 | SimonRaven | if installed, yes |
| 02:38.29 | gentoothreefour | hi SimonRaven |
| 02:38.31 | gentoothreefour | ho all |
| 02:38.33 | gentoothreefour | hi all |
| 02:38.33 | bucky_ | thanks very much.... I'll give this a try. |
| 02:38.35 | gentoothreefour | hi bucky |
| 02:38.36 | Guerin | it'll look in PREFIX, i believe |
| 02:38.37 | gentoothreefour | hi bucky_ |
| 02:38.39 | gentoothreefour | hi SimonRaven |
| 02:38.53 | SimonRaven | hello |
| 02:38.55 | RvGaTe | ok, that does it, someone on msn just told me im quite anoying.... ppfft.... im going to bed ! |
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| 02:39.05 | bucky_ | hello all |
| 02:39.11 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! |
| 02:39.17 | Guerin | RvGaTe: if someone on MSN told you you were quite annoying you must be INCREDIBLY annoying |
| 02:39.27 | RvGaTe | or drunk |
| 02:39.28 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i thought you were going to bed? |
| 02:39.33 | RvGaTe | i was |
| 02:39.47 | abrotman | so go |
| 02:39.48 | RvGaTe | but its 4.39 am... i could jst stay up |
| 02:39.57 | Guerin | rarely wise |
| 02:39.59 | Zero_Kelvin | Wondering you guys could tell me what the name is of the medical symbol with two snakes intertwined around the winged staff? Yeah, I know it's not a debian question. :) |
| 02:40.00 | abrotman | you're drunk . go to bed |
| 02:40.22 | RvGaTe | hmm, alright... cya in a few hours... |
| 02:40.38 | RvGaTe | bye bye ! |
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| 02:40.43 | CompWizrd | zero: caduceus |
| 02:40.43 | Zero_Kelvin | I'm asking here because this is the biggest pool of knowledgable geeks that I know about in one place to chat to. :) |
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| 02:40.52 | CompWizrd | google for "medical symbol" |
| 02:41.33 | Zero_Kelvin | Caduceus for the win!1!1! :) Thanks guys. |
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| 02:41.35 | Guerin | see, the trouble with the world today is that taking classics isn't mandatory |
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| 02:41.55 | SimonRaven | Zero_Kelvin: it's from apollo, and his being the god of medicine to the ancient greeks |
| 02:42.24 | SimonRaven | that's his symbol. the hippocratic oath is also sworn to apollo. or used to |
| 02:42.43 | SimonRaven | er, typo there |
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| 02:43.17 | SimonRaven | ok, guess not :) |
| 02:43.58 | looneybird_77590 | ok, in the file browser, where do i find the manpages for module-assistant. |
| 02:44.40 | SimonRaven | eh? just run man module-assistant in a terminal... |
| 02:45.01 | looneybird_77590 | ok |
| 02:45.37 | SimonRaven | much easier and quicker. you'll find that often running stuff from a terminal is faster than from a gui |
| 02:45.59 | SimonRaven | er, often you'll find that* |
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| 02:46.41 | cio | Hey guys, where would information about failing /etc/init.d scripts be? What log file? |
| 02:46.55 | kahelas | When updating tetex-bin, I'm getting an error: Directory /etc/tetex/ not writable. What does this mean and how would I go about fixing it? |
| 02:47.04 | SimonRaven | none. run it like sh -x, you'll see the debug output |
| 02:47.11 | jjazz_ | kahelas, update as root |
| 02:47.13 | cio | Thanks. |
| 02:47.15 | kahelas | I am root |
| 02:47.25 | jjazz_ | kahelas, Then I have no idea |
| 02:47.52 | kahelas | jjazz_ thanks anyway. |
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| 02:47.55 | jjazz_ | kahelas, Why are you updating tetex-bin? I was under the impression it hadn't changed in a long time. |
| 02:48.07 | SimonRaven | kahelas: are the dir's perms ok? |
| 02:48.09 | bucky_ | SimonRaven: --with-x didn't work. I checked and I have a /etc/X11 directory with x stuff in it including a link to /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 02:48.23 | SimonRaven | bucky: that's not dev stuff |
| 02:48.39 | SimonRaven | you need dev stuff to build against... |
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| 02:48.54 | bucky | SimonRaven, the bucky you want has a tail _ |
| 02:48.58 | looneybird_77590 | ok that'll work |
| 02:49.14 | SimonRaven | bucky: sorry *blush* |
| 02:49.14 | kahelas | SimonRaven as Root, I do ls -l and get "Permission Denied" for several directories: dvips, latex dvipdfm modes.mf, updma.d, pdftex, language.dat |
| 02:49.24 | bucky_ | no worries... |
| 02:49.26 | SimonRaven | ls -ld |
| 02:49.43 | SimonRaven | same dirs |
| 02:49.50 | astronut | is the marillat archive screwed up? |
| 02:50.09 | SimonRaven | dunno. is it? |
| 02:50.13 | astronut | seems to be |
| 02:50.27 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.43 | bob2 | go look at it with your browser/ftp client |
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| 02:50.55 | astronut | bob2: am doing so ;-) |
| 02:51.06 | kahelas | jjazz_ Well, it seems that I have a broken latex installation (I'm getting complaints about graphics not working), so I was re-installing/fixing |
| 02:51.08 | astronut | hmm |
| 02:51.11 | astronut | it has sid but not unstable |
| 02:51.23 | dotfile | Is it true that WINE has OpenGL support by default now? |
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| 02:54.04 | sanxiyn | dotfile: It had, for a while. |
| 02:54.25 | sanxiyn | dotfile: I don't meant that it had something that work, but it had support anyway. |
| 02:55.27 | nvz | I wonder if there is an easy way to mapquest the distance of the route I rode today.. without just looking at it and measuring |
| 02:55.54 | helix | people still use mapquest? |
| 02:56.07 | nvz | I dunno not sure if it still exists |
| 02:56.18 | Supaplex | I use google earth because it pisses off M$'s CEO |
| 02:56.24 | helix | I think it does, but maps.google.com seems to be superior |
| 02:56.50 | nvz | I just went on a bike ride this evening that was 7% grade or more most of the way and damn near killed myself.. but was glad I did it afterward cause comming down out of the heights was fun and it was one hell of a workout |
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| 02:57.30 | nvz | if'n you cant get used to the rough route you are severly limited to where you can cycle to in the valley |
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| 02:58.21 | bob2 | shock |
| 02:58.23 | bob2 | aol spambot |
| 02:58.28 | nvz | I traveled down my street and headed East by Southeast down the creek road, and up Sevin and back down the Camp road.. wondering how long of a distance that trip was |
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| 02:58.51 | sanxiyn | A brain damage: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/09/09/463204.aspx |
| 02:58.53 | peterS | nvz: I can't bike for exercise without my speedometer/odometer |
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| 02:59.17 | sanxiyn | "(IE 7) Phishing Filter has a machine learning filter and it uses heuristics to determine if a particular web site looks suspicious or not by looking for characteristics in the page that are common in phishing scams. Since the Phishing Filter heuristics are based on a learning machine, there might be a case where an actual phishing site may not even be flagged as suspicious (false negatives) and some sites which are legitimate could be marked as suspi |
| 02:59.17 | sanxiyn | cious (false positive)." |
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| 02:59.43 | nvz | peterS: yeah well I dont have one.. keep in mind I dont spend money unless it makes me money.. my pcs were donated, my guitar was lent to me by a friend, my bike (nice one too btw) was lent to me by a friend |
| 03:00.42 | peterS | nvz: not spending money unless it makes you money, to me, either means you don't have any non-necessities at all, or you mooch off a lot of people |
| 03:00.51 | nvz | many people dont understand why I bounce around so much and help so many people for nothing.. but when it comes down to it my life is the way it is because I have so many friends who would give me anything I needed because of the time and effort I put forth |
| 03:01.23 | nvz | hey living is different than buying stuff for the sake of shopping |
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| 03:01.39 | nvz | some people just have unhealth shopping habbits to mask other problems in their life |
| 03:01.45 | peterS | nvz: buying stuff for the sake of having stuff is also different from buying stuff for the sake of shopping |
| 03:02.02 | nvz | I buy things I _need_ I dont need computers, guitars, bikes, or anything like that |
| 03:02.21 | nvz | they are just things to ammuse myself and occupy my spare time |
| 03:02.55 | nvz | plus if I decide tomorrow I want to go, I can give the pcs away, give Will his guitar, give steve his bike, and travel light :P |
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| 03:03.12 | peterS | do you have this philosophy because you have no money, or because your friends are so generous, or because you are a miser? |
| 03:03.19 | nvz | I dont have to pay for storage or carry the shit around :) |
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| 03:04.28 | peterS | Supaplex: have you seen them? most don't have full cases (: |
| 03:04.38 | Supaplex | no diff then mine :-x |
| 03:04.59 | nvz | no I dont hoard money. I spend it on living and often on having fun with my friends who take care of me |
| 03:05.17 | peterS | nvz: spending money on having fun with your friends - does that make you money? |
| 03:05.34 | nvz | no but its a price i am willing to pay |
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| 03:05.54 | peterS | so you *do* spend money on things you don't need and which don't make you money. just not possessions you will keep. |
| 03:06.08 | nvz | I will pay for my survival and to take care of the people who take care of me |
| 03:07.54 | nvz | there's no reason to pay for computers for example.. microsoft has designed an empire that makes people throw away perfectly good hardware on a daily basis |
| 03:08.12 | peterS | if you can get hold of good hardware without paying for it, great |
| 03:08.20 | helix | nvz: where do you get free (nice) computers? |
| 03:08.30 | helix | mine is failing |
| 03:08.31 | nvz | and with the other stuff.. well when you got friends with 11 guitars and only two hands ... they can stand to let you borrow one :P |
| 03:08.39 | peterS | helix: grow another |
| 03:08.45 | helix | peterS: that one wasn't so nice :P |
| 03:08.54 | peterS | yeah, well, water it more often |
| 03:08.57 | nvz | I just cluster enough shitty ones together until it gets the job done |
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| 03:09.18 | peterS | nvz: I don't understand what would possess someone to possess eleven guitars |
| 03:09.19 | abrotman | nvz: you're moving to utah ? |
| 03:09.31 | abrotman | peterS: i have three iwth plans to get at least 4 more :) |
| 03:09.31 | peterS | 3 guitars, sure. |
| 03:09.39 | peterS | more than 3, I don't get |
| 03:09.40 | abrotman | peterS: but they all have purposes! |
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| 03:09.59 | nvz | I am not moving anywhere right now, just hangin around re-establishing my contacts and networking |
| 03:10.00 | abrotman | next is a 12 string ... or the Tele .. |
| 03:10.00 | junkey | well ,who can speak chinese |
| 03:10.03 | peterS | abrotman: you need electric, acoustic and twelve-string. beyond that - just replace whichever one you want to get a better one of |
| 03:10.11 | junkey | i have a question |
| 03:10.12 | Supaplex | peterS: the same has been said of me about computers. |
| 03:10.30 | Supaplex | !chinese |
| 03:10.30 | dpkg | methinks chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese |
| 03:10.41 | abrotman | peterS: i have currently 6str acoustic, 6 str electric(crummy/old), classical .. plan to get Tele,12 string, 6 str acous/elec, arch top |
| 03:10.41 | junkey | thanks |
| 03:10.42 | peterS | Supaplex: it's hard to use more than one guitar at a time. it's easy to use more than one computer at a time |
| 03:10.52 | Supaplex | yea =) |
| 03:11.03 | abrotman | peterS: now what's wrong with my plan ? |
| 03:11.06 | peterS | abrotman: tele = telecaster? |
| 03:11.11 | junkey | join #chinese |
| 03:11.14 | Supaplex | telecastrater? |
| 03:11.17 | abrotman | peterS: Nashville Tele! Sunburst if you please! |
| 03:11.22 | peterS | oh, I have no clue |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | yes .. Telecaster |
| 03:11.37 | peterS | abrotman: also what do you mean by "6 str acous/elec"? |
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| 03:11.45 | peterS | abrotman: I mean, can't you stick a pickup into any 6-string acoustic? |
| 03:11.48 | abrotman | peterS: an acoustic that plugs in . .and has a cutaway |
| 03:11.55 | Supaplex | abrotman: so you participate in telecastration? |
| 03:11.55 | abrotman | peterS: doesn't sound the same |
| 03:11.57 | peterS | ah yes. I guess I have seen those. |
| 03:12.02 | abrotman | Supaplex: are you drunk too ? |
| 03:12.07 | Supaplex | no :) |
| 03:12.12 | abrotman | peterS: i'm finding the Tele |
| 03:12.48 | peterS | abrotman: is there an advantage to an acoustic/electric over having both separately? |
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| 03:13.54 | abrotman | peterS: http://fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0135300332 .. tell me that's not a beautiful guitar |
| 03:13.59 | abrotman | peterS: all have different sounds |
| 03:14.24 | abrotman | peterS: and my regular 6str wasn't all that nice .. it was my first bday gift to myself after college .. only about $400 or so |
| 03:14.36 | abrotman | though . .that Tele isn't much more |
| 03:14.50 | abrotman | the 12 string and arch top will be the big ticket items i think |
| 03:14.54 | nvz | damn if I had looked at maps.google.com before riding today I probably would have never went that far.. |
| 03:14.56 | abrotman | i'll probably try to find a restored arch top |
| 03:15.14 | peterS | abrotman: that tele looks nice. but looking nice and actually being good are, of course, two different things |
| 03:15.17 | abrotman | nvz: http://www.sueandpaul.com/gmapPedometer/ |
| 03:15.26 | abrotman | peterS: i know .. look at nvz |
| 03:15.41 | peterS | abrotman: eh? which is he? |
| 03:15.42 | abrotman | peterS: you can click the link and listen to it :) |
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| 03:16.06 | peterS | abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
| 03:16.24 | peterS | it's on the floor somewhere but I think one of my cats kind of kicked it around a bit |
| 03:16.24 | abrotman | !qotd148 is <peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
| 03:16.24 | dpkg | ...but qotd148 is already something else... |
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| 03:16.26 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:16.27 | peterS | (on my trackball) |
| 03:16.31 | abrotman | !qotd149 is <peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
| 03:16.31 | dpkg | ...but qotd149 is already something else... |
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| 03:16.34 | abrotman | god dam nit |
| 03:16.41 | abrotman | !qotd151 is <peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
| 03:16.41 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 03:16.43 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:16.45 | junkey | is there anyone can help me |
| 03:16.53 | peterS | oh come on, at least do it right |
| 03:16.59 | abrotman | that is right |
| 03:17.00 | peterS | !qotd151 =~ s/</<reply></ |
| 03:17.00 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 03:17.02 | abrotman | oh wait .. |
| 03:17.14 | abrotman | i can make another quote oout of <peterS> oh come on, at least do it right |
| 03:17.30 | junkey | my the sound card is not right |
| 03:17.32 | peterS | that doesn't sound bad out of context |
| 03:17.40 | peterS | unlike junkey's sound card |
| 03:17.58 | abrotman | i almost got a nice used 12 string around xmas .. but it was gone 2 days after i saw it .. |
| 03:18.12 | peterS | abrotman: see, a 12 string I can see the point of. those things sound *cool*. |
| 03:18.14 | abrotman | it was 1300$ used |
| 03:18.18 | junkey | sorry ,my enlish is so poor ,and that is my first time use debian |
| 03:18.23 | peterS | hmm, over $100 per string? |
| 03:18.27 | abrotman | new it would have been $2400 or so |
| 03:18.33 | abrotman | peterS: no .. brazilian rosewood :) |
| 03:18.37 | peterS | heh |
| 03:18.38 | abrotman | nice inlay ... |
| 03:18.46 | junkey | and it is my first time come here,too. |
| 03:18.53 | abrotman | junkey: what language do you speak fluently ? |
| 03:19.00 | junkey | chinese |
| 03:19.12 | peterS | junkey: we are waiting for your question |
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| 03:19.35 | abrotman | we really need a #debian-china or whatever |
| 03:19.39 | junkey | thanks my computer is COMPAQ n600c |
| 03:19.47 | abrotman | laptop ? |
| 03:20.28 | Warp4 | hi all, does anyone know what package ld can be found in? |
| 03:20.42 | abrotman | !find bin/ld$ |
| 03:20.50 | nvz | abrotman: cool.. went a lot further than I thought.. I figured about 3 and 1/2 miles |
| 03:20.51 | junkey | i have intall debian on it ,but it is not work well |
| 03:20.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ld' (6 of 7): (/usr/bin/ld) in devel/binutils ;; (/usr/avr/bin/ld) in devel/binutils-avr ;; (/usr/m68hc11/bin/ld) in devel/binutils-m68hc1x ;; (/usr/arm-palmos/bin/ld) in otherosfs/prc-tools-arm ;; (/usr/m68k-palmos/bin/ld) in otherosfs/prc-tools-m68k ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/ld) in devel/mingw32-binutils. |
| 03:21.04 | abrotman | nvz: i rode 30 miles with my bro on sunday |
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| 03:21.09 | Lab | hi |
| 03:21.12 | junkey | the sondcard cann't sing |
| 03:21.17 | Lab | does anyone know what kind of hash MD5-Digest: TWDiIqn1xvr2GetvZNa5KA== is? |
| 03:21.26 | Warp4 | abrotman not the answer i needed but thanks :) |
| 03:21.27 | zinx | it's not |
| 03:21.29 | abrotman | Lab: md5 |
| 03:21.30 | zinx | it's mime encoded data |
| 03:21.33 | abrotman | Warp4: yes it is |
| 03:21.39 | abrotman | it's in binutils .. just like you asked |
| 03:21.44 | junkey | how to config the sondcard? |
| 03:21.52 | Warp4 | abrotman i dont have it on my hard drive, |
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| 03:21.55 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well this wasnt normal terrain... I was riding up huge hills in the middle of nowhere some of it was gravel |
| 03:21.56 | sbk | I forgot this shell (/bin/sh) trick -- I want to put the output of stderr and stdout to a file within a shell script, with the last command being an exec of some other process |
| 03:21.58 | peterS | junkey: ok, run this command and tell me the output, if any: lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 03:21.58 | Warp4 | im just wondering what package i need to get |
| 03:21.59 | Lab | abrotman: but its not regular md5, how do i get something llike it |
| 03:22.01 | abrotman | Warp4: you should |
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| 03:22.09 | abrotman | Lab: zinx said it's Mime data |
| 03:22.12 | abrotman | Warp4: binutils |
| 03:22.14 | zinx | Lab: it's 16 bytes of mime encoded data.. |
| 03:22.18 | Warp4 | Thank you. |
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| 03:22.26 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. i've done that .. it's brutal :) |
| 03:22.37 | Lab | ok, thanks, i'll look at google |
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| 03:23.00 | junkey | root@0[junkey]# lspci -n | awk '/0401{print$3}' |
| 03:23.00 | junkey | awk: line 1: runaway regular expression /0401{print ... |
| 03:23.00 | junkey | root@0[junkey]# |
| 03:23.04 | zinx | which may or may not be a md5sum (md5sums are 16 bytes of binary data, usually output as 32 hex nibbles) |
| 03:23.19 | peterS | junkey: awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 03:23.23 | peterS | junkey: you forgot a / there |
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| 03:23.49 | junkey | thanks,i try it |
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| 03:24.36 | peterS | night, abrotman |
| 03:24.37 | junkey | root@0[junkey]# lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 03:24.38 | junkey | 125d:1988 |
| 03:24.41 | abrotman | night |
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| 03:25.09 | peterS | junkey: ok so that's an Allegro sound chip... |
| 03:25.20 | peterS | junkey: what kernel version are you running? "uname -r" |
| 03:25.22 | zimb0w | does wget work well for fetching .iso files? |
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| 03:25.28 | kl1 | hi, when i go to volumen control it says no mixer elements found.. any one knows why is that? |
| 03:25.43 | junkey | root@0[junkey]# uname -r |
| 03:25.44 | junkey | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 03:25.49 | zimb0w | is there any particular argument i should use or just wget foo.iso |
| 03:26.00 | bob2 | zimb0w: that's fine |
| 03:26.06 | zimb0w | thanks |
| 03:26.25 | peterS | junkey: ok, try this: modprobe snd-maestro3; modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:26.49 | kl1 | any one knows how can i install mixer elements? |
| 03:27.05 | peterS | is that like photoshop elements? |
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| 03:27.18 | Crazytaxzi | hello guys... how are you? |
| 03:27.21 | kl1 | no is for volumen contrrol |
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| 03:27.26 | junkey | root@0[junkey]# modprobe snd-maestro3;modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:27.26 | junkey | root@0[junkey]# |
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| 03:27.36 | peterS | junkey: your sound is probably working now |
| 03:27.39 | Crazytaxzi | i need some help with XFree86 -configure |
| 03:27.44 | junkey | yes? |
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| 03:28.04 | Crazytaxzi | says it can't load mouse... is there a way to take care of that? |
| 03:28.08 | peterS | junkey: you may need to do 'adduser yourusername audio' and log out / log in before you can use sound as a regular user |
| 03:28.47 | Crazytaxzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.51 | Crazytaxzi | lol |
| 03:28.51 | junkey | thanks |
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| 03:29.15 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 03:29.18 | nvz | oh well abrotman left.. here was today's journey :P http://tinyurl.com/d8bhl |
| 03:29.22 | peterS | junkey: let me know if it works. if so I'll have you do one more thing |
| 03:29.27 | nvz | that google maps pedometer was cool |
| 03:29.34 | ice_1963 | :0)- |
| 03:29.34 | Crazytaxzi | i need some help with XFree86 -configure |
| 03:29.37 | Crazytaxzi | says it can't load mouse... is there a way to take care of that? |
| 03:29.44 | junkey | i don't konw how to tell that,just say that ,thanks |
| 03:30.16 | junkey | I'll try it,and ,I'll come back soon |
| 03:30.34 | junkey | see you later |
| 03:30.35 | nvz | 5.5 Miles round trip up one side of the valley through 4 boroughs and back |
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| 03:30.46 | peterS | nvz: with steep hills that's a pretty decent workout |
| 03:30.50 | peterS | nvz: how long did it take, again? |
| 03:30.53 | Crazytaxzi | i entered the wrong vid card during XFree86 install and i can't load the Xserver i was wondering if there is a command to fix that |
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| 03:31.04 | peterS | Crazytaxzi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:31.10 | Crazytaxzi | thank you |
| 03:32.07 | nvz | peterS: I am not sure how long it took I would say about an hour by the time I made it to Campmeeting road I was about dead.. had to lay down for about 15 seconds cause if I shot down the hill in that condition I probably would have went into shock |
| 03:32.48 | peterS | nvz: ah, heh. see, I always wear a watch and run it on stopwatch mode when doing that type of thing. along with the speedometer/odometer I always know exactly how well I'm doing. out on the road by oneself, one has ample time to do calculations in one's head |
| 03:33.09 | looneybird_77590 | ok, I need to install "Nvidia" . i opened, module-assistant, ran update, then selected "nvidia-kernel" package. ( stopping before i go any farther, and screw up, ) When i was here yesterday, somebody mentioned something about " non-free sources" . or whatever. how do i proceed from here. |
| 03:33.18 | Crazytaxzi | i hope this is the last question how do you find out the Bus Identifiier on a machine with a built in vid card |
| 03:33.23 | Daedalus_ | !nvidia |
| 03:33.23 | dpkg | nvidia is probably DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 03:33.29 | peterS | Crazytaxzi: leave it blank |
| 03:33.38 | chealer | !tell looneybird_77590 about non-free |
| 03:33.38 | peterS | Crazytaxzi: the question is only useful if you have multiple video cards of the same type, or multiple heads |
| 03:33.47 | Crazytaxzi | oh ok |
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| 03:34.05 | peterS | Crazytaxzi: just for information, 'lspci -X | grep VGA' is how you get the ID, if you really do need it |
| 03:34.19 | nvz | peterS: yeah little sewickley is not in the greatest shape.. lots of ups and downs and bends, then Sevin is all uphill and mostly fine gravel at the top and then I had about 500FT of uphill on campmeeting before a few dips and then the solid downhill breeze |
| 03:34.29 | peterS | (it's the "PCI:1:0:0" looking part on the left) |
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| 03:35.11 | peterS | nvz: I don't have any solid uphill or downhill routes around here. this is kansas. there are hills but they're not *big* hills, so you only ever get maybe 1/4 mile of uphill or downhill, at most |
| 03:35.34 | jjazz_ | Hmm... I finally got cups to print, which is a good step. But here's the problem: After the print job leaves the printer, cups is still "processing" it. So no other printjobs can get through unless I cancel the completed ones manually. It never generates an error, so nothing goes into the error log. Anybody have any clues on how to fix this? |
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| 03:36.28 | nvz | peterS: oh well that was quite a hill. I'd say sevin was at least 7% grade the whole way if not worse in most areas |
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| 03:37.00 | peterS | nvz: 7% is tolerable for a short distance but not over the long haul! |
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| 03:37.09 | tvn | where can I get the ISO of WOODY ? the new Sarge CD keep stalling when detecting my cdrmo |
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| 03:37.57 | gopher | anyone install on a IBM 43p-140 |
| 03:37.58 | nvz | the satellite doesnt really show the elevation |
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| 03:39.13 | nvz | if this Gmaps Pedometer did elevation too it would really kick ass |
| 03:39.21 | junkey | i come back now |
| 03:39.54 | junkey | but ,i am so sorry that the sonud is not ok also |
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| 03:40.25 | nvz | I'm gonna see how long my normal route to sewickley is.. which I could do like 10 times and not get the same workout as going to Bell Acres |
| 03:40.51 | jjazz_ | I finally got cups to print, but after the print job leaves the printer, cups is still "processing" it. No other printjobs can get through unless I cancel the completed ones manually. It never generates an error, so nothing goes into the error log. Anybody have any clues on how to fix this? |
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| 03:42.09 | lakcaj | tvn, tried booting with linux26 at the first prompt? Might make a difference. |
| 03:42.35 | tvn | lakcaj: yep, that's what the param boot I use |
| 03:42.45 | lakcaj | tried without? |
| 03:44.30 | Guerin | gopher: /msg dpkg anyone use |
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| 03:44.49 | tvn | nope, if I tried without then it'll use kernel 2.4 which doesn't have my network card support |
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| 03:45.06 | jjazz_ | fg |
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| 03:46.10 | Guerin | tvn: if sarge 2.4 kernels won't detect your network card, woody won't either. |
| 03:46.28 | Guerin | tvn: i advise getting a decent cdrom drive |
| 03:46.39 | Guerin | though sometimes it's the ide controller which causes the problems |
| 03:46.41 | tvn | Guerin: it's a modular cdrom on a laptop |
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| 03:46.46 | tux | aqui no se habla español |
| 03:46.47 | Guerin | oh |
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| 03:46.57 | Guerin | good luck with that |
| 03:47.00 | SexyKen | Hey guys, anyone know of a VPN Software Server for Debian? |
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| 03:47.08 | Guerin | SexyKen: aptitude search vpn |
| 03:47.20 | peterS | SexyKen: openvpn and tinc are the popular ones |
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| 03:47.29 | SexyKen | peterS - Thanks :-) |
| 03:47.29 | jjazz_ | SexyKen, Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, FreeNX might work for you. |
| 03:47.37 | Guerin | tvn: try booting in expert, and only loading the generic drivers - not allowing the whole raft of autodetection |
| 03:47.49 | SexyKen | Well, hell -- I might as well explain. |
| 03:47.51 | peterS | SexyKen: I can say from experience that tinc is quite easy to set up. however, it is believed to be less secure than openvpn. I haven't tried openvpn. |
| 03:48.01 | peterS | SexyKen: tinc supports linux, solaris, windows |
| 03:48.05 | SexyKen | Ahh. |
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| 03:48.12 | peterS | openvpn I am not sure about |
| 03:48.26 | peterS | SexyKen: the other option is to use IPSec stuff, which is really complex and hard to get good information about |
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| 03:48.41 | SexyKen | Basically I run a Windows network at home and of course, there's always something on a home computer that I need, but done have conveneient or sometimes any access to. |
| 03:48.42 | peterS | SexyKen: but the advantage of IPsec is that windows clients support it without installing any additional software |
| 03:48.51 | SexyKen | So I want to be able to login remotely and have the comps show up in my network. |
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| 03:48.56 | SexyKen | Is that the purpose of a VPN? |
| 03:49.05 | peterS | that's one purpose, yes |
| 03:49.13 | tvn | lakcaj: Guerin: may be I should try install Sarge using kernel 2.4 then from there apt-get kernel 2.6 ? sounds like a more convenient method than installing Woody ? |
| 03:49.25 | SexyKen | Are there other 'nifty' or 'cool' things I could do with a VPN/ |
| 03:49.26 | Guerin | tvn: sure |
| 03:49.28 | jjazz_ | SexyKen, If you just want to grab files, use ssh and sftp. If you want to remotely pull your desktop across the net, FreeNX is the easiest to setup I've seen. |
| 03:49.32 | potash | anybody know a fix so I can see the web content that is running on my apache server via my wan i.p. and not just localhost ? |
| 03:49.57 | SexyKen | jjazz_ -- What do you mean ... basically that'd be if I had a domain network setup, wouldn't it? |
| 03:50.04 | SexyKen | Rather than a workgroup |
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| 03:50.45 | nvz | hmm my route to sewickley and back is 5.5 miles too.. http://tinyurl.com/dzkyz its nowhere near as much of a workout as to Bell Acres though. http://tinyurl.com/affvv |
| 03:50.50 | jjazz_ | SexyKen, wait... you're tring to access the win net? FreeNX doesn't do a win server yet. Sorry. |
| 03:51.01 | nvz | sanxiyn: wtf was that about? you crack fiend.. :P |
| 03:51.22 | SexyKen | jjazz_ - as far as I can tell, FreeNX looks similar to say, VNC |
| 03:51.34 | Guerin | nvz: you apeear to be under the mistaken impression that anyone gives a fuck |
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| 03:51.44 | jjazz_ | SexyKen, it is, but there are some differences. |
| 03:51.48 | octoberdan | When I try to jsvc somthing I get jsvc error: Cannot locate Java Home |
| 03:51.52 | SexyKen | Well -- that's not what I want :_) |
| 03:51.58 | nvz | Guerin: heh |
| 03:52.15 | octoberdan | What does that mean? |
| 03:53.00 | Crazytaxzi | got another question for you... i just reconfigured my XFree86 and it now says AddScreen/ScreenInit failed For driver 0 |
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| 03:53.16 | jjazz_ | I finally got cups to print, but after the print job leaves the printer, cups is still "processing" it. No other printjobs can get through unless I cancel the completed ones manually. It never generates an error, so nothing goes into the error log. Anybody have any clues on how to fix this? |
| 03:53.46 | nvz | Guerin: I dont give a fuck about this "n=tinuviel@211.104.100.240 (FN) 23:49 <sanxiyn> I love you" but I still got the message anyway :P |
| 03:54.31 | sanxiyn | nvz: Sorry if it was offensive. |
| 03:54.34 | Crazytaxzi | do you know how to fix the XFree86 and it now says AddScreen/ScreenInit failed For driver 0? |
| 03:55.17 | nvz | sanxiyn: offensive? it was just strangly uncalled for.. and this is from someone talking about bike routes... heh |
| 03:56.28 | larrikin | what's up with testing atm ? I get a message from apt ala 'got sarge, expected testing' .. |
| 03:56.29 | Warp4 | ugh |
| 03:56.32 | gopher | anyone install debian on a IBM 43p-140 ? |
| 03:56.33 | Guerin | hahah |
| 03:56.35 | nvz | not that I dont get screaming fans everywhere I go.. but I dont see why :P |
| 03:56.44 | Guerin | larrikin: you're using an old installer |
| 03:56.45 | peterS | gopher: I'm not sure those machines support linux at all |
| 03:56.50 | Warp4 | larrikin check your apt-sources file |
| 03:56.54 | larrikin | Guerin: okey |
| 03:56.56 | peterS | gopher: last I tried (in about 1998) the kernel didn't support them (: |
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| 03:57.01 | Guerin | larrikin: if it install cleanly, you can upgrade to testing |
| 03:57.11 | peterS | gopher: the -140 is not to be confused with the -150, which has always been supported by the linux kernel..... |
| 03:57.14 | roby | I have a new LCD monitor, how do i have it configured for XFree86 ? |
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| 03:57.23 | Guerin | !drxx roby |
| 03:57.24 | dpkg | roby: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:57.33 | Crazytaxzi | lol sorry to bother you guys for such trivial things... but i am new to this linux thing and i would like to try it out... but i get this AddScreen/ScreenInit Failed for driver 0 anyone know how to fix it? |
| 03:57.36 | gopher | i got the boot floppy to work but it crashes when it brings up the disk part. window |
| 03:57.42 | roby | thanks Guerin |
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| 03:58.44 | crow | anyone know how to run X in a chroot enviro? |
| 03:58.51 | sigma957 | Crazytaxzi: have you tried reconfiguring the config file? sounds like ther might be an error in there |
| 03:59.00 | peterS | gopher: out of curiosity, what graphics card do you have in that thing? most of them shipped by IBM aren't compatible with linux, except using offb |
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| 03:59.15 | Guerin | crow: really really stupid and pointless |
| 03:59.26 | gopher | its a pci card, matrox i think, normal vga connector |
| 03:59.36 | Guerin | crow: but the answer is "the same way as you run anything else in a chroot enironment" |
| 03:59.43 | Crazytaxzi | it is a built in graphics card so i placed as a VGA card instead of a name brand... i could put my nvidia back in but i hear that is more complicated to take care of |
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| 03:59.59 | Guerin | nvidia cards are easy |
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| 04:00.07 | Guerin | choose nv; done. |
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| 04:00.16 | Crazytaxzi | i would have to run with a second card |
| 04:00.16 | sigma957 | I have an nvidia, but i just use the nv driver. works fine for me |
| 04:00.18 | crow | Guerin: well, you know, I have a reason...just post please, no attitude......;^) |
| 04:00.26 | Crazytaxzi | lol |
| 04:00.46 | Guerin | Crazytaxzi: can't disable the onboard in bios? |
| 04:00.49 | sigma957 | Crazytaxzi: you would have to disable the built in video |
| 04:00.53 | Crazytaxzi | maybe i entered the memory size... what should i enter for a 32mb card? on the enter in KB section of the setup |
| 04:01.02 | sigma957 | Guerin you're way too fast for me |
| 04:01.13 | Guerin | crow: as I said; same way you run anything else in chroot. By providing everything it needs within the chroot. |
| 04:01.14 | Crazytaxzi | no just asks what card i would like to use... onboard or primarily run pci |
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| 04:01.40 | Crazytaxzi | but still leaves onboard on in bg |
| 04:01.59 | Crazytaxzi | hey guerin brb going to go have a smoke |
| 04:02.05 | sigma957 | Crazytaxzi: did you google the error message? add screen sounds like a misconfiguration |
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| 04:02.25 | ropinstructor | anyone in here know much about vncserver? |
| 04:02.31 | Guerin | Crazytaxzi: i suggest, when you return, that you read the instructions dpkg-reconfigure gives you |
| 04:02.36 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 04:02.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:02.58 | crow | Guerin: Thanks, I'm no newbie, but this doesn't help, but thanks anyway. |
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| 04:03.13 | ropinstructor | sorry, how do we change the default desktop for vncserver? |
| 04:03.14 | Guerin | !customer |
| 04:03.14 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 04:03.36 | ropinstructor | its booting to gnome by default, how do we change that to startup to xfce? |
| 04:03.43 | sanxiyn | Hm, what if the question was "Does anyone *here* use <someprogram>"? (run away) |
| 04:04.05 | ropinstructor | so when remote users login to vnc viewer, it uses xfce desktop.. |
| 04:04.28 | dondelelcaro | ropinstructor: set up the .xession for the user to exec xfce instead of gnome-session |
| 04:04.36 | mwilson | ropinstructor: So launch xfce. The documentation tells you what to do. |
| 04:04.47 | nvz | Guerin: were you the one who modified my new factiod "sns syndrome" last night? I am having a weak recollection |
| 04:04.53 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: That'll break when the user wants to log in locally. |
| 04:04.56 | Guerin | nvz: 1 |
| 04:05.05 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: nope. |
| 04:05.15 | dondelelcaro | (assuming the user wants to use .xsession locally) |
| 04:05.18 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: Make .vncrc. |
| 04:05.32 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: It'll choose Gnome locally and xfce remotely? |
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| 04:05.45 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: While still running ~/.xsession in both cases? |
| 04:06.06 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: xfce locally and remotely; I've no clue why you'd want to run gnome at all. |
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| 04:06.32 | nvz | you've got a point there |
| 04:06.45 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: Setting un xsession sould work two. |
| 04:06.57 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: *I* certainly wouldn't. I interpreted what the OP said to mean that he still wanted Gnome locally. If he did not, then I misunderstood. |
| 04:07.01 | sanxiyn | (Just "exec xfce4-session") |
| 04:07.35 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: dunno... he hasn't clarified yet. |
| 04:07.38 | looneybird_77590 | OK, I have an Nvidia video card. ( g-force,mx200) supposed to install nvidia package. but not with "nvidia installer" . Supposed to do it the "debian way" and use "module assistant". all i am trying to to is get a bit of help in doing this the right way. I installed "module-assistant" now what do i do? |
| 04:07.43 | sanxiyn | To change *only* VNC login and not local login, set vncStartup in vncrc. |
| 04:07.44 | nvz | gnome seems to be having an identity crisis anymore. KDE has been pretty much the same since it was created.. if you compare and contrast screenshots and features of KDE1.x-3.x you will notice a degree of consistancy.. gnome is just confused to say the least |
| 04:08.12 | mwilson | nvz: I don't know what KDE *you* are looking at that you see this consistency in... |
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| 04:08.45 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's not like reasonable alternative to gnome is kde or vice versa; the reasonable alternative is to ditch DEs entirely and just use a WM. |
| 04:09.04 | mwilson | nvz: You have the functional KDE 1.x era, you have the ugly-as-sin-controlled-by-mosfet KDE 2.x era, and you have the designed-by-five-year-olds KDE 3.x era. |
| 04:09.05 | nvz | mwilson: look on kde.org the panel and everything looks the same in the screenshots over the years.. I mean sure it's gotten some curves.. but for the most part its the same thing |
| 04:10.04 | ice_1963 | http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt that's it |
| 04:10.04 | Crazytaxzi | Guerin: I will run through it again... but i am not sure hot to get a second card to work on Debian Based XFree86 the nvidia card i have is a Nvidia MX-4000 |
| 04:10.19 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah I am still in love with a dying wm myself. some day I may be able to revive it if I ever learn lisp and rep. |
| 04:10.26 | mwilson | nvz: Gnome has only gone through one such transition. |
| 04:10.28 | Crazytaxzi | Guerin: off to the other comp and run through the config again |
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| 04:10.53 | nvz | and study freedesktop.org or whatever is pressing the standards that is making sawfish obsolete |
| 04:11.00 | mwilson | Crazytaxzi: Put it in, configure it, go. |
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| 04:11.04 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 04:11.12 | mwilson | Crazytaxzi: I've been running multiple cards for years. |
| 04:11.24 | sigma957 | nvz: which wm is dying? |
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| 04:11.34 | nvz | sigma957: sawfish |
| 04:11.40 | mwilson | nvz: fd.o promotes standards that serve Gnome. That's all. |
| 04:11.40 | adjacent | i messed up downgrading mysql from 4.1 to 4.0, how do i drop all db's and recreate? |
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| 04:11.49 | roby | Guerin: i did run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... but it didn't write an XF86Config-4 file at the end |
| 04:12.01 | mwilson | roby: And it told you why it didn't, too. |
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| 04:12.19 | chealer | looneybird_77590, did you read the Debian-nVidia HOWTO? |
| 04:12.20 | sanxiyn | According to popcon.debian.org, there are 312 packages with 0 popcon install, 689 with 1, 575 with 2 in Debian main section. |
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| 04:12.38 | roby | mwilson: oh, my apologies, i had missed that |
| 04:12.48 | sanxiyn | So it's valid to ask if anyone use X, even if X is in Debian. (so what?) |
| 04:12.50 | Guerin | !tell roby about set up x |
| 04:13.10 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: presumably the maintainer uses it; regardless it's still a stupid question. |
| 04:13.31 | nvz | sigma957: I still use it.. but modern programs behave badly at times.. like OO.o, Amarok.. or anything else that wants to display a pull-down or click on/off window doesnt work in sawfish like the font color dialog in OO.o or the enlarged album cover view in amarok.. they show up as unframed windows that are a bitch to deal with in sawfish and they dont go away automatically when the focus leaves like they are intended to |
| 04:13.32 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: and hopefully the person asking about the program is using it... |
| 04:13.42 | dondelelcaro | (otherwise the question is doubly useless) |
| 04:13.42 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Sometimes I wonder how many packages there actually are that the maintainer doesn't use. |
| 04:13.59 | nvz | mwilson: well there is some kind of new design standards that sawfish doesnt have.. see my last remarks |
| 04:14.05 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: there are a couple... but in an ideal world they get orphaned |
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| 04:14.17 | sigma957 | nvz: that sucks. I use xfce mostly and ratpoison sometimes. |
| 04:14.18 | mwilson | nvz: sawfish isn't a particularly good EWMH citizen. |
| 04:14.18 | duncf | mwilson: i maintain at least one... but i've got it installed |
| 04:14.25 | ropinstructor | sanxiyn i need to be able to have xfce run remotly, not local |
| 04:14.27 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: And there are orpahnedd packages... |
| 04:14.40 | nvz | dpkg, EWMH |
| 04:14.45 | peterS | dondelelcaro: don't forget the class of packages adopted by NMs for the sole purpose of "having a package" (: surely there are a few of those sitting around, if not a *lot* of them |
| 04:14.49 | sanxiyn | Extended Window Manager Hint. |
| 04:15.05 | Crazytaxzi | Guerin ok i reconfigured and made sure i read instructions twice... it says Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 04:15.08 | ropinstructor | ? |
| 04:15.17 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 04:15.17 | dpkg | somebody said noscreensfound was probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 04:15.18 | peterS | sanxiyn: who supports EWMH anyway? is that a freedesktop thing? |
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| 04:15.28 | roby | mwilson: any chance of you repeating what you said about xfree86 conf? |
| 04:15.29 | dondelelcaro | peterS: those things shouldn't be approved by their sponsors; I know I won't approve an upload if the sponsee doesn't actually use the package in question |
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| 04:15.43 | ropinstructor | .xsessions is not im my home dir, only .xserrion-errors |
| 04:15.46 | Bac9 | anyone know if udev in sid supports 2.6.10? has the kernel version dependency been dealt with? |
| 04:15.46 | nvz | well whatever it is.. its so far the only thing that I have noticed that is really making sawfish look old right now.. aside from the fact it hasnt been updated in ages |
| 04:15.53 | Crazytaxzi | Guerin: ok brb again |
| 04:15.54 | ropinstructor | xsession-errors* |
| 04:16.02 | peterS | dondelelcaro: nobody has asked me if I use the packages they sponsor. not that I take advantage of this (: |
| 04:16.22 | mwilson | Bac9: No, it does not, as even a cursory inspection of the package would have told you. |
| 04:16.28 | bucky | nvz, that's because everybody went to metacity |
| 04:16.31 | sigma957 | Bac9: I finally upgraded to 2.6.12 to get it to upgrade |
| 04:16.32 | dondelelcaro | peterS: well, some people upload things that can't even build in pbuilder at all... so go figure. |
| 04:16.44 | mwilson | Bac9: It HAS been dealt with, by the upload of an appropriate 2.6.12 kernel to unstable. |
| 04:16.48 | Bac9 | mwilson: I'll not be able to inspect it till tomorrow when it enters etch |
| 04:16.57 | mwilson | Bac9: Utter nonsense. |
| 04:17.00 | peterS | dondelelcaro: true enough. that's an honest enough mistake even if you use the package personally though. it just means you have lousy QA procedures |
| 04:17.16 | sanxiyn | dpkg, EWMH is Extended Window Manager Hints, or http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fwm_2dspec |
| 04:17.16 | dpkg | sanxiyn: okay |
| 04:17.21 | Bac9 | sigma957: o, k so I'll keep the old package then, thanx for the info |
| 04:17.31 | sigma957 | waht screwed me up was the change from kernel-image to linux-image. took me forever to figure that out |
| 04:17.37 | Bac9 | mwilson: weren't you supposed to be ignoring me? |
| 04:17.46 | sanxiyn | peterS: KWin, Metacity, XFwm4, FVWM, IceWM is known to support EWMH. |
| 04:17.53 | sanxiyn | peterS: Yes, it is a freedesktop thing. |
| 04:17.59 | ropinstructor | where is vncrc file held? |
| 04:18.04 | Bac9 | sigma957: I compile my own kernel, so I'll just wait till dust setles and then migrate from 2.6.10 |
| 04:18.08 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: User home directory. ~/.vncrc |
| 04:18.20 | ropinstructor | its not there |
| 04:18.20 | Bac9 | sigma957: thanx for the warning |
| 04:18.22 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: Or /etc/vnc.conf globally. |
| 04:18.22 | mwilson | sanxiyn: Openbox, blackbox, fluxbox, etc, etc, etc. |
| 04:18.25 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: Create one. |
| 04:18.30 | nvz | sawfish and the sawfish-ui allows me to quickly add and adjust bindings and other things to customize my environment quickly. I havent seen a wm to date that comes close to being as easily or widely configurable as sawfish. and with the sawfish-ui most of it can be done with a few quick clicks without reloading the wm or configuration. |
| 04:18.34 | sanxiyn | mwilson: Do they support EWMH too? Good. |
| 04:18.44 | ropinstructor | and if i create one, what would i put in it? |
| 04:19.01 | peterS | !ewmh is the Extended Window Manager Hints, a freedesktop standard to augment ICCCM. Basically how window managers and other X programs talk to each other. Supported by most modern window managers. |
| 04:19.01 | dpkg | ...but ewmh is already something else... |
| 04:19.15 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 04:19.34 | peterS | ... |
| 04:19.41 | nvz | when I am not in the mood to clicky-clicky I use ion, which is very powerful as well but more keyboard oriented feels like to X what screen is to my terminal |
| 04:19.51 | sanxiyn | dpkg, forget ewmh |
| 04:19.52 | dpkg | i forgot ewmh, sanxiyn |
| 04:20.09 | ropinstructor | i created .vncrc |
| 04:20.11 | mwilson | Ion3 is cool. |
| 04:20.30 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: Put $vncStartup = "...whatever to start XFCE"; there. |
| 04:20.31 | mwilson | Although I like wmii better. |
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| 04:22.42 | novent93 | does anyone know a way to log just the URLs from squid to some random file? |
| 04:22.54 | ropinstructor | sanxiyn i did what you last said, remote computer still logs into gnome |
| 04:23.07 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: Too bad. |
| 04:23.12 | ropinstructor | i added : vncStartup = xfce4 |
| 04:23.22 | ropinstructor | into .vncrc |
| 04:23.34 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: xfce4 is not an executable... |
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| 04:23.48 | ropinstructor | o |
| 04:23.54 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: You want $vncStartup = "/usr/bin/xfce4-session"; |
| 04:24.22 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: See also vnc.conf(5x). |
| 04:24.27 | ice_1963 | is xfce4 better then window maker ?? |
| 04:24.33 | mwilson | Define "better". |
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| 04:24.44 | sigma957 | I love xfce4. it's fast, runs great |
| 04:24.53 | roby | mwilson: where did dpkg-reconfigure tell me why it didn't write the xree86 conf file? |
| 04:26.40 | potash | Why can I not connect to services running on my computer using my WAN IP but I can connect via http://localhost ? Works fine from a computer outside of my network . |
| 04:26.58 | ropinstructor | sanxiyn i put exactally what you said, still goes to gnome |
| 04:27.12 | ropinstructor | sorry for the bugging |
| 04:27.39 | ropinstructor | where is vnc.conf held? |
| 04:28.26 | nvz | potash: maybe localhost doesnt point to your loopback or maybe your services arent bound to it.. maybe again its forbidden to take those kinds of connections locally in /etc/hosts.[allow|deny] |
| 04:28.52 | ropinstructor | cant find vnc.conf |
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| 04:29.36 | ropinstructor | ps -la |
| 04:29.39 | ropinstructor | whoops |
| 04:30.16 | nvz | furthermore you didnt mention what services even in a perfect world the most http://localhost could translate to is 127.0.0.1:80 so if there isnt a service running there.. then it doesnt matter than you can connect to WANIP:4001 cause thats something all together different |
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| 04:30.41 | bob2 | potash: most likely your firewall is misconfigured |
| 04:30.45 | bob2 | which is not a Debian issue |
| 04:31.28 | potash | right ... I am running a web server on a different port and would say put in http://localhost:port# and it works ... but get a connection refused error when trying to load it w/ http://wanip:port# |
| 04:31.53 | bob2 | or your nat'd and didn't forward it in |
| 04:31.58 | peterS | potash: apache might or might not be listening on all IP addresses. 127.0.0.1 is not wanip and apache could be listening only to one of those |
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| 04:32.10 | nvz | I read that backwards I guess. I read that as he could access them outside but not locally |
| 04:32.31 | film07 | film |
| 04:32.41 | film07 | ´Õ¤èÐ |
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| 04:32.56 | potash | correct not locally ... but if I go on a different computer not on my network everything comes up fine ... that's why I know it's not a firewall or forwarding issue |
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| 04:33.40 | film07 | ËÇÑ´´Õ¤èÐ |
| 04:33.42 | JerJer | what do i need to add to a minimal debian install to get a proper compiling environment? anyone got a good link? |
| 04:33.50 | JerJer | C code |
| 04:33.52 | potash | what would I check for "maybe localhost doesnt point to your loopback or maybe your services arent bound to it" ? |
| 04:33.55 | dondelelcaro | JerJer: build-essential |
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| 04:34.10 | sanxiyn | ropinstructor: No idea. It worked for me. |
| 04:34.20 | JerJer | dondelelcaro: thank you |
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| 04:34.38 | nvz | potash: in /etc/hosts there should be a line defining localhost |
| 04:34.39 | JerJer | something is still foobard :( |
| 04:34.47 | JerJer | known good code does not compile |
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| 04:35.13 | nvz | potash: in you apache or such configs and in /etc/hosts.[allow|deny] are settings about what addresses to accept connections on |
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| 04:35.36 | JerJer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.07 | blkrose | Hello again all... how can I deturmine what kernel I'm running? |
| 04:36.32 | sigma957 | uname -a |
| 04:36.32 | potash | blkrose uname -r |
| 04:36.52 | blkrose | Thats it! Thanks! (if I had a memory I'd be dangerous!) |
| 04:37.08 | dondelelcaro | JerJer: what version of linux-kernel-headers do you have installed? |
| 04:37.27 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: And what compiler? |
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| 04:37.38 | sanxiyn | Oops, was to JerJer. |
| 04:37.41 | potash | I have just usernames specified in my hosts.allow and nothing in hosts.deny ... should I also put localhost in the hosts.allow ? |
| 04:38.00 | blkrose | Thanks again everyone.. hopefully I'll get good enough to help someone someday lol |
| 04:38.38 | JerJer | sander: just did apt-get install gcc |
| 04:38.59 | JerJer | gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
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| 04:39.44 | JerJer | kernel source is installed too |
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| 04:40.27 | dondelelcaro | JerJer: not the kernel source. linux-kernel-headers. It is a totally different thing. If you put the kernel includes into /usr/include/linux things will break utterly. |
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| 04:40.49 | JerJer | linux-kernel-headers is already the newest version. |
| 04:41.26 | sanxiyn | JerJer: Have you put kernel headers into /usr/include/linux? |
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| 04:41.52 | JerJer | when i run apt-get install linux-kernel-headers ^^^^ that is what apt tells me |
| 04:42.05 | mwilson | Ok, why do I have the Danger Mouse theme running through my head... |
| 04:42.11 | dondelelcaro | JerJer: apt-get --reinstall install linux-kernel-headers; then dpkg -l linux-kernel-headers; |
| 04:42.26 | RoundQube | mwilson: i dont know, but i know now why its in my head - because of you |
| 04:42.30 | mwilson | heh |
| 04:42.37 | RoundQube | that theme rocks |
| 04:42.51 | larrikin | W: Conflicting distribution: http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au testing Release (expected testing but got sarge) |
| 04:42.52 | sanxiyn | No, that's because of utter curse of elephants from Neptune. |
| 04:42.52 | JerJer | ii linux-kernel-headers 2.5.999-test7-bk-17 Linux Kernel Headers for development |
| 04:42.53 | RoundQube | mwilson: if im unproductive at work tomorrow from a lack of sleep tonight, im blaming you |
| 04:42.56 | larrikin | can't fix it.. |
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| 04:43.03 | larrikin | upgraded apt.. dpkg |
| 04:43.13 | mwilson | Works for me... might as well be blamed for something good. :) |
| 04:43.17 | RoundQube | lol |
| 04:43.19 | looneybird_77590 | ok, in the link. /tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt . it says. Ensure you have main contrib non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list since |
| 04:43.19 | looneybird_77590 | the nvidia drivers are in non-free and some of the helpers are in contrib. |
| 04:43.30 | roby | mwilson: hey i figured out why it didn't write the config file, apparently cus i edited it by hand b4, the XF86Config-4 file showed me how to reset that... thanks |
| 04:43.36 | dondelelcaro | !info linux-kernel-headers sarge |
| 04:43.37 | mwilson | That and the Secret Squirrel theme. |
| 04:43.39 | looneybird_77590 | where do i find |
| 04:43.40 | chealer | !tell looneybird_77590 about non-free |
| 04:43.41 | dpkg | linux-kernel-headers: (Linux Kernel Headers for development), section devel, is standard. Version: 2.5.999-test7-bk-17 (sarge), Packaged size: 1344 kB, Installed size: 7200 kB |
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| 04:44.32 | sanxiyn | Hail, Elephants on Neptune. |
| 04:45.04 | JerJer | hmm perhaps could i get an older gcc ? |
| 04:45.44 | JerJer | everything works good on gcc version 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5) |
| 04:45.51 | f0rt3hm3h | When i try to move to kernel 2.6.8-2 from the file "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386_2.6.8-16_i386.deb" i type "dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386_2.6.8-16_i386.deb", so when i restart my computer i get the following errors: |
| 04:45.51 | f0rt3hm3h | ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on IRQ14 |
| 04:45.51 | f0rt3hm3h | picot_root: No such file or dicertory |
| 04:45.51 | f0rt3hm3h | /sbin/init:432:ennot open dev/console: Nos such file |
| 04:45.51 | f0rt3hm3h | kernel panic: Attempted to kill init |
| 04:45.51 | maher | is there a pdf reader in debian which will do pdf forms? |
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| 04:45.53 | JerJer | but red hat is evil now |
| 04:46.03 | mwilson | RoundQube: One of the few MP3-things I collect are TV themes. :) |
| 04:46.15 | RoundQube | mwilson: send me that theme, i must have it |
| 04:46.19 | sanxiyn | JerJer: What were you compiling? |
| 04:46.23 | JerJer | zaptel |
| 04:46.36 | JerJer | kernel modules for telephony hardware |
| 04:46.40 | mwilson | RoundQube: Danger Mouse? |
| 04:46.43 | RoundQube | mwilson: ya |
| 04:46.45 | f0rt3hm3h | can anyone help me? |
| 04:46.54 | JerJer | f0rt3hm3h: only if you ask a specific question |
| 04:46.54 | sanxiyn | Hm, your gcc and linux-kernel-headers version is correct. (Those shipped with Sarge.) |
| 04:46.58 | RoundQube | mwilson: you got knight rider theme or thunder cats? |
| 04:47.05 | f0rt3hm3h | JerJer: i think i did.... |
| 04:47.16 | JerJer | f0rt3hm3h left the room (Kicked by debhelper (flood)). |
| 04:47.21 | f0rt3hm3h | When i try to move to kernel 2.6.8-2 from the file "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386_2.6.8-16_i386.deb" i type "dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386_2.6.8-16_i386.deb", so when i restart my computer i get the following errors, what can i do: |
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| 04:47.26 | f0rt3hm3h | ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on IRQ14 |
| 04:47.26 | f0rt3hm3h | picot_root: No such file or dicertory |
| 04:47.29 | f0rt3hm3h | /sbin/init:432:ennot open dev/console: Nos such file |
| 04:47.29 | f0rt3hm3h | kernel panic: Attempted to kill init |
| 04:47.37 | JerJer | i smell another kick |
| 04:47.44 | RoundQube | i smell an idiot |
| 04:47.46 | dondelelcaro | f0rt3hm3h: do *NOT* paste here again. Read /topic. |
| 04:47.53 | mwilson | RoundQube: Lemme look. |
| 04:47.58 | RoundQube | thats what #flood is for f0rt3hm3h |
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| 04:48.07 | JerJer | sanxiyn: something must not be right with this code - i just did a quicky hello world and it worked |
| 04:48.08 | JerJer | sorry |
| 04:48.10 | f0rt3hm3h | sorry |
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| 04:48.13 | mwilson | Knight Rider yes, Thunder Cats no. |
| 04:48.19 | sanxiyn | JerJer: Okay. |
| 04:48.28 | RoundQube | mwilson: send me danger mouse and knight rider if its not too much trouble |
| 04:48.33 | f0rt3hm3h | RoundQube: but how can i show ya what errors i get if i cant paste? |
| 04:48.41 | maher | is this 80s tv theme night? |
| 04:48.42 | RoundQube | f0rt3hm3h: you can paste in #flood |
| 04:48.49 | looneybird_77590 | OK!!!!!!!! IF NVIDIA Installer is no good . and NONFREE is evil. How the hell am i supposed to install NVIDIA!!!!!!!!! ??? |
| 04:48.50 | Warp4 | maher lol |
| 04:48.56 | RoundQube | maher: oh ya =) |
| 04:48.59 | sanxiyn | "This can't be happening! You yourselves were elephants yesterday!" -- "True. But we're men now" |
| 04:49.02 | f0rt3hm3h | RoundQube:ok, anyway can you help me? |
| 04:49.10 | JerJer | thanks for helping a newbie debian user (redhat bullshit forced me to upgrade to debian :) |
| 04:49.21 | Warp4 | JerJer welcome to the fold! |
| 04:49.29 | nvz | looneybird_77590: with a lot less punctuation I am sure |
| 04:49.31 | nvz | !ep |
| 04:49.32 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:49.53 | RoundQube | f0rt3hm3h: im guessing you didn't compile suppport for console, no drivers |
| 04:49.55 | sanxiyn | looneybird_77590: If non-free is evil to you, do not install nvidia driver. |
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| 04:50.13 | sanxiyn | looneybird_77590: Apparently, non-free isn't evil. |
| 04:50.23 | looneybird_77590 | NO whats irratating is running around in circles with Nvidia! |
| 04:50.31 | RoundQube | looneybird_77590: get ati |
| 04:50.33 | RoundQube | lol |
| 04:50.55 | f0rt3hm3h | RoundQube: but i use already compiled kernel, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-i386,smth |
| 04:51.03 | RoundQube | mwilson: thanks |
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| 04:51.56 | RoundQube | thats a long name for a package...have you tried apt-get install <kernel image name>? |
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| 04:52.07 | looneybird_77590 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.09 | chealer | RoundQube, hah |
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| 04:52.36 | chealer | looneybird_77590, if you want 3D acceleration with NVIDIA, you can't get over evil stuff |
| 04:52.39 | chealer | get non-free |
| 04:52.53 | f0rt3hm3h | RoundQube: my other problem is that i cant the driver for my lancard does not detect it.. and yesterday someone here told me to move to a 2.6.* kernel, has more support |
| 04:52.54 | mwilson | Now, if I've ruined your mind for tonight, I disclaim all responsibility... |
| 04:52.58 | JerJer | mkay what about termcap in debian? |
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| 04:53.15 | RoundQube | mwilson: its been mush every since i started smoking weed, its ok =) |
| 04:53.20 | RoundQube | danger mouse! |
| 04:53.39 | f0rt3hm3h | RoundQube:my other problem is that the driver for the lan card says that there is no lancard like that* |
| 04:53.53 | Bac9 | anyone know what's on udp1025 that keeps hitting my firewall? |
| 04:53.55 | sanxiyn | JerJer: Anything still uses termcap? |
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| 04:53.57 | RoundQube | f0rt3hm3h: lancard thats not support? shit man, buy a new one they are like what 2 cents? |
| 04:54.19 | iza | HI |
| 04:54.24 | sanxiyn | JerJer: There's termcap-compat package. |
| 04:54.26 | RoundQube | LO |
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| 04:54.30 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: what manner of NIC is this? |
| 04:54.38 | JerJer | found it ncurses-dev |
| 04:54.41 | RoundQube | im off to eat, coming from work straight onto irc is scaring me |
| 04:54.43 | f0rt3hm3h | RoundQube: but it has to support it, i have a asus MB, nforce2 chipset with a build-in NIC |
| 04:54.49 | sanxiyn | JerJer: Ah, so it's not termcap. |
| 04:55.03 | mwilson | RoundQube: Sadly, my video tapes from when Nickolodeon used to run the episodes have long since turned to mush. |
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| 04:55.04 | f0rt3hm3h | RoundQube:do forcedeth has to support it |
| 04:55.05 | JerJer | yeah crappy error message |
| 04:55.11 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: so, the 'forcedeth' kernel module is the driver you want. does it not work? |
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| 04:55.35 | f0rt3hm3h | peterS: nope, says device not found or smth like that |
| 04:55.43 | dondelelcaro | 46M .irssi/debian-devel/ FE |
| 04:55.49 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 04:55.53 | RoundQube | im out, later |
| 04:55.55 | RoundQube | thanks again mwilson |
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| 04:56.08 | mwilson | NP |
| 04:56.09 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: does 'lspci | grep Ethernet' show it? |
| 04:56.24 | f0rt3hm3h | peterS:no |
| 04:56.47 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: chances are, either your PCI bridges aren't being set up correctly by your kernel, or you've disabled the NIC in your BIOS setup |
| 04:56.52 | looneybird_77590 | ok, how do i find, get, and put. main contrib non-free in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:56.52 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: what kernel version have you got? |
| 04:57.05 | f0rt3hm3h | peterS: 2.4.27 |
| 04:57.21 | f0rt3hm3h | peterS: and i cant get the 2.6.8-2 to run, i dont know why |
| 04:57.22 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: should support nforce2 boards ok. you are sure you didn't disable the nic? |
| 04:57.43 | maher | mwilson: they're available on dvd |
| 04:57.48 | f0rt3hm3h | peterS: well, im using it right now while im under win XP, soo yeah im pretty sure |
| 04:57.49 | chealer | looneybird_77590, with your favorite text editor |
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| 04:59.14 | Rama | Hi ! Can someone point me to the procedure to get unstuck with packages which don't get installed even with a "apt-get -f install" during a dist-upgrade ? I'm sort of stuck with libmimelib1c2 on a Sid... |
| 04:59.14 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: pretty strange that 2.6.8 wouldn't boot |
| 05:00.04 | peterS | Rama: select stuff manually in aptitude and run that. aptitude handles dependencies perhaps a bit better |
| 05:00.06 | f0rt3hm3h | peterS: so can you help me? |
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| 05:00.40 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: if you can't get 2.6.8 to work, and 2.4.27 can't see your ethernet chip at all, I'm not sure what to suggest. you could pull down a 2.6.12 kernel from unstable, but I don't know offhand whether that'll install cleanly as-is in sarge |
| 05:00.41 | looneybird_77590 | ok rephrase. is there a list for contrib + nonfree sources? |
| 05:01.18 | f0rt3hm3h | peterS: ;( |
| 05:01.29 | Rama | peterS: OK, I'll try this, thank you |
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| 05:02.50 | f0rt3hm3h | peterS: btw yesterday someone here told me to type "acpi=off" and "pci=noacpi" in my bootloader command line, where exactly is that |
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| 05:03.05 | candlelight | in console, I run run a program, and exit that program, the bash prompt appear at the lowest line of the screen, and all previous console output are gone, how can I preserve all previous console output? |
| 05:03.16 | JerJer | isn't it noacpi and lnoacpi ? |
| 05:03.36 | JerJer | f0rt3hm3h: in your bootloader config |
| 05:03.46 | mwilson | candlelight: The application flipped to the alternate screen, most likely. |
| 05:03.50 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: when you boot there'll be the opportunity to pause your boot loader to enter command line arguments to the kernel |
| 05:04.12 | f0rt3hm3h | JerJer: but where exactly, at the end of the menu.lst file, or somewhere else? |
| 05:04.29 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: or you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add stuff to the 'kernel' lines |
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| 05:05.09 | peterS | f0rt3hm3h: lines that begin with 'kernel' have a kernel and then boot options follow the kernel name |
| 05:05.21 | looneybird_77590 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.22 | f0rt3hm3h | peterS: ok, ill go try it now.. = |
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| 05:06.43 | candlelight | mwilson, hmm.. trying to google for it |
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| 05:08.27 | chealer | looneybird_77590, a mirrors list? hum, it would be the same mirrors as main. in almost all cases |
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| 05:08.52 | brothers | i'm getting nothing for `man 2 printf` |
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| 05:09.13 | sanxiyn | brothers: man 3 printf |
| 05:09.24 | brothers | hah |
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| 05:10.01 | brothers | that's an odd thing to remember wrong |
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| 05:11.30 | peterS | not really, it requires knowing why things are in section 2 or 3 |
| 05:11.52 | peterS | sometimes it's not obvious whether a C library function is a system call wrapper or something else, without knowing a lot about unix |
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| 05:12.11 | peterS | like for example, remove(3) vs. unlink(2) |
| 05:12.37 | mwilson | This is why -k is so useful. :) |
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| 05:13.14 | looneybird_77590 | ok i think i understand. how do i bring the list up |
| 05:13.37 | peterS | well, it's not like it's hard to do 'man 2 printf' followed by 'man 3 printf' when the one matches nothing |
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| 05:14.49 | cheal | looneybird_77590: the list? don't you have mirrors for main already? you could just use the same. otherwise, # apt-setup |
| 05:15.13 | miag | i did install glibc(i686) gcc binutils into /usr/local and using garnome-2.12 on existing debian-sid, it works like charm! |
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| 05:17.32 | looneybird_77590 | in ect/apt/sources.list. this is what i have: #deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ sarge main |
| 05:17.32 | looneybird_77590 | deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 05:17.33 | looneybird_77590 | deb-src http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 05:17.33 | looneybird_77590 | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 05:18.16 | dondelelcaro | looneybird_77590: please do not paste here. |
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| 05:19.14 | looneybird_77590 | i know i am not supposed to paste. am new dont know how to use flood yet. |
| 05:19.22 | giwe | Is there a wifi panel applet? |
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| 05:19.49 | empty | giwe what desktop? |
| 05:19.55 | giwe | gnome |
| 05:20.16 | cheal | !tell looneybird_77590 about flood |
| 05:20.39 | cheal | looneybird_77590: change "deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ stable main" to "deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ stable main contrib non-free" |
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| 05:20.45 | giwe | empty, do you use gnome? |
| 05:20.48 | empty | giwe, weird I don't see one offhand |
| 05:20.57 | ripgut | anyone know if a zen micro can work with gnomad2 |
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| 05:21.04 | empty | giwe, yes but I use scripts for wifi config and use gkrellm to monitor it |
| 05:21.21 | giwe | empty, I used to have one. It vanished today when I did a dist-upgrade. |
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| 05:21.46 | empty | weird I have one actually |
| 05:21.50 | empty | in Add to Panel |
| 05:21.54 | mwilson | giwe: And why did you allow that to happen? |
| 05:22.08 | giwe | empty, what is the name? |
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| 05:22.19 | giwe | mwilson, it was not intentional. |
| 05:22.29 | mwilson | giwe: Of course it was. |
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| 05:23.06 | dotfile | can someone solve an easy X question for me? |
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| 05:23.16 | mwilson | Only if you actually ask it. |
| 05:23.21 | jm_ | dotfile: no doubt there is someone, somewhere, who can |
| 05:23.23 | cheal | !someone |
| 05:23.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:23.31 | dotfile | ah. i tried that earlier and nothing happened. |
| 05:23.44 | giwe | mwilson, okay. do you have a gnome applet for the panel? |
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| 05:24.06 | mwilson | giwe: That would pre-suppose I had any use for Gnome. |
| 05:24.10 | dotfile | i did a fresh instally and I see that it seems to think that 800x600 is max, and its annoying me because not everything fits on screen and its all blurry because its 1024x768 LCD |
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| 05:24.29 | blkrose | I know this is like blasphamy but how do I enable root login for x? |
| 05:24.30 | giwe | mwilson, yes, if you don't thanks. |
| 05:24.32 | dotfile | I'm looking for some X config files/apps to help me fix that. |
| 05:24.34 | mwilson | blkrose: You don't. |
| 05:24.40 | jm_ | !drxx dotfile |
| 05:24.41 | dpkg | dotfile: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:24.48 | cheal | dotfile: that didn't help? |
| 05:24.53 | mwilson | blkrose: You have no need for that. If you think you do, you are mistaken. |
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| 05:25.32 | dotfile | thanks |
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| 05:25.36 | blkrose | need might be a strong word.. biut it sure would help right now.. ok, then how do I manage to run something from root if its on my kde menu? |
| 05:25.43 | jm_ | dotfile: also check X logfile for details |
| 05:26.11 | mwilson | blkrose: Like what? |
| 05:26.20 | blkrose | win4lin |
| 05:26.21 | empty | giwe Wireless Link Monitor |
| 05:26.27 | cheal | blkrose: check the command, run it as root? |
| 05:26.39 | blkrose | it runs in x |
| 05:26.53 | giwe | empty, that sounds to be what I had. Do yo know what is its actual executable name? |
| 05:26.59 | mwilson | <shrug> Use gksu, or whatever the QT equivalent is, or open a terminal and use sudo. |
| 05:27.13 | jm_ | !tell blkrose -about sux |
| 05:27.31 | sanxiyn | mwilson: kdesu |
| 05:27.43 | empty | wireless-applet |
| 05:28.20 | empty | think it is part of the gnome-applets package |
| 05:28.20 | giwe | empty, okay, lemme see if I can find it. My gnome-applets is now version 2.10.1-5. What about yours? |
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| 05:28.24 | dotfile | thanks. i think that worked.... im compiling wine so i wont know till it finished and i restart X but I bet it will. |
| 05:28.35 | e1vis | /j #emacs |
| 05:28.35 | e1vis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.46 | SimonRaven | mwilson: same tom baker that played in the old dr. who shows? |
| 05:28.49 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 05:28.52 | blkrose | ok, just for the record.. I DO know what I'm talking about.. win4lin REQUIRES x to run.. it is a windows shell front end.. and I have to set it up to load windows files.. but I need root to do that |
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| 05:29.09 | empty | 2.8.23 |
| 05:29.15 | empty | 2-3 oops |
| 05:29.28 | empty | I am on sarge |
| 05:29.45 | giwe | empty, that's it then. the upgrade from 2.8 to 2.10 wiped it out. |
| 05:29.58 | mwilson | SimonRaven: See earlier comment... |
| 05:30.28 | mwilson | blkrose: No, you don't know what you're talking about... you need to pay attention to the solutions you've been offered. |
| 05:30.30 | empty | giwe, are you on testing or something? |
| 05:30.47 | giwe | empty, wireless-applet is still in my locate db but no longer there. I'm using testing. |
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| 05:31.17 | blkrose | mwillson, I would.. cept, none have been offered as yet.. or doid I miss something? (and I might add, you are very hostile) |
| 05:31.48 | empty | giwe, well there you go. I 'spect it will reappear eventually ;) |
| 05:31.49 | mhall | Hello all. What's an elegant way of taking a paste of a Firefox table with tab delimitation and changing it to the appropriate amount of space justification needed to prevent overlap of the contents from row-to-row as the string lengths change? |
| 05:31.56 | mwilson | blkrose: Except that several have been, of course, by several people other than myself. So... why did you ask the question, if you weren't going to pay attention to the answers? |
| 05:32.02 | SimonRaven | mwilson: oh, didn't see that. the new stuff is pretty good, though different. i think they kept to the same spirit however, which to me is the important part |
| 05:32.04 | giwe | empty, I had not experienced breaks like this with testing so far. but I guess testing is testing. |
| 05:32.23 | empty | giwe aye that it is |
| 05:32.29 | empty | afk to muck with bind |
| 05:32.35 | mhall | mwilson: the new which? |
| 05:32.38 | empty | well afirc anyway- good luck |
| 05:32.40 | mwilson | mhall: Dr Who |
| 05:33.05 | mwilson | mhall: I've SEEN them all, but I'd like to OWN them all. :) |
| 05:33.26 | blkrose | maybe I missed something then.. I see THIS is going to get me nowhere... mwilson, if you are burned out from helping people then maybe you should take a break.. not all of us are as intellegent as you |
| 05:33.29 | mhall | mwilson: Have you found a tentative release date? |
| 05:33.41 | mwilson | mhall: No. |
| 05:33.44 | mhall | mwilson: Also I've had a hell of a time finding BBC DVDs in the US. Where does one look? |
| 05:33.46 | giwe | empty, see yaa thanks. |
| 05:34.07 | mwilson | mhall: I have a friend in London and a DVD player that doesn't care what you feed it. :) |
| 05:34.15 | SimonRaven | hehe ;) |
| 05:34.27 | SimonRaven | that certainly helps |
| 05:34.30 | blkrose | just because someone missunderstands something doesn't mean they are refusing sugestions! |
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| 05:34.38 | empty | mhall, netflix carries Coupling and some other stuff like the Office |
| 05:34.51 | morfeomtx | hola |
| 05:35.00 | mhall | mwilson: ah sweet |
| 05:35.08 | mhall | mwilson: Region Control is teh sux. |
| 05:35.32 | mwilson | This thing doesn't care... feed it PAL, it converts. Feed it any region, it doesn't care. |
| 05:35.56 | mwilson | Unfortunately, it's post-Macrovision-firmware-upgrade, but you can't have everything. |
| 05:36.09 | mhall | mwilson: Pretty much all of them convert stuff right. And most support disabling the region coding in some fashion. |
| 05:36.19 | mhall | mwilson: What does the Macrovision upgrade do? |
| 05:36.38 | mhall | I know what regular old-school Macrovision does but I had not heard of a new incantation. |
| 05:36.45 | mwilson | mhall: I've met very few NTSC DVD players that would convert PAL on the fly. |
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| 05:37.12 | mwilson | No, no, the original version of this Phillips player didn't do Macrovision, but this one does and you can't downgrade the firmware. |
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| 05:37.29 | mhall | mwilson: Hmm. Let's see. http://www.bbcshop.com/invt/ebbcdvd1770&bklist=icat,4,,doctorwhonew,doctorwhodvdvideo |
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| 05:37.40 | mhall | mwilson: I have a release date for you but no DVDs yet. |
| 05:38.12 | mwilson | Oooh, I wonder if I can order it from here. |
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| 05:38.28 | ripgut | so can anyone help? |
| 05:38.28 | mhall | mwilson: Theoretically as long as you have a Mastercard. |
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| 05:38.42 | mhall | mwilson: VISA doesn't usually work in Europe but sometimes it will. |
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| 05:38.59 | mwilson | Oh, I have a MC... if I can't do it directly, I'll call my bud. |
| 05:39.09 | ripgut | noone eh? |
| 05:39.44 | mhall | mwilson: It appears they support intl. addresses. |
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| 05:39.53 | mhall | mwilson: I doubt they'd do it if they would not send it there. |
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| 05:40.16 | blkrose | JM, thank you.. I finally figured out what you were telling me |
| 05:40.34 | mwilson | Most excellent... |
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| 05:42.05 | mhall | mwilson: Oh this is really silly. They only ship to UK and EU countries. |
| 05:42.13 | mhall | mwilson: But they support non UK/EU addressing. |
| 05:42.18 | mhall | mwilson: omgwtfbbq! |
| 05:42.23 | mwilson | heh |
| 05:42.31 | larrikin | is it ok to remove pkgcache.bin and/or force a reget of Packages files with apt ? |
| 05:42.45 | mhall | mwilson: And they warned me with a god damn JS pop-up. Talk about adding insult to injury! |
| 05:42.45 | mwilson | larrikin: No and yes. |
| 05:43.00 | larrikin | I currently have package versions that the archive knows nothing about .. and I've never gone anywhere near experimental |
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| 05:43.03 | mhall | mwilson: Might try it anyways to see if they notice. |
| 05:43.21 | cyberWhiz | anyone have php5 running on debian? |
| 05:43.33 | ke6isf | !polls |
| 05:43.33 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 05:43.44 | larrikin | mwilson: how do I force a reget ? |
| 05:44.17 | mwilson | # dselect update |
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| 05:45.04 | blkrose | now for a real stupid question.. how do I install sux? |
| 05:45.22 | jm_ | sux is packaged in Sarge |
| 05:45.38 | mhall | mwilson: One second though. I think there might be another way. |
| 05:45.46 | blkrose | Hmmm, I THOUGHT I was running sarge... maybe not though |
| 05:45.47 | larrikin | mwilson: uhuh |
| 05:45.53 | ke6isf | blkrose: why, 'apt-get install sux', of course! |
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| 05:47.02 | blkrose | heh I've never had a apt-get command work as yet lol |
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| 05:47.26 | ke6isf | blkrose: Well, that's kind of weird. What are the symptoms? |
| 05:47.57 | blkrose | well, this time it said that there is no installation candidate |
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| 05:48.40 | gudi | mornin |
| 05:48.44 | looneybird_77590 | my editor is showing my source list as a read only file. is there a way to edit file. aside from logging out, then logging back in as root. |
| 05:48.47 | ke6isf | blkrose: Do me a favor. Join #flood and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 05:48.49 | mhall | mwilson: Yeah I tried the US version and nothing's listed there yet. |
| 05:48.54 | blkrose | ok |
| 05:48.56 | caphuso | looneybird_77590: su |
| 05:48.57 | gudi | anyone here use imq + htb + sfq ? |
| 05:49.01 | gudi | for qos |
| 05:49.01 | mhall | mwilson: So I think you'll have to chat up your UK contact. |
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| 05:51.04 | kombi | how do you install perl modules again..? |
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| 05:51.15 | dondelelcaro | kombi: apt-get install libfoomodule-perl |
| 05:51.25 | empty | kombi there may be a deb pakcage use that |
| 05:51.29 | dondelelcaro | kombi: see apt-cache search; and /msg dpkg search; if necessary use dh-make-perl |
| 05:51.39 | ke6isf | blkrose: Where did you get those deb-src lines? |
| 05:51.42 | empty | failing that use perl -MCPAN -e 'shell' to get to the CPAN interactive shell |
| 05:51.52 | dondelelcaro | ugh. DO NOT USE -MCPAN |
| 05:52.01 | empty | dondelelcaro, why not? |
| 05:52.05 | kombi | why not= |
| 05:52.07 | kombi | ? |
| 05:52.09 | mwilson | mhall: Well, thanks for trying. |
| 05:52.14 | blkrose | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:52.17 | dondelelcaro | empty: because it's utter shit when you've got a real packaging system at your disposal. |
| 05:52.23 | looneybird_77590 | i have a root terminal open when i type " cd /ect/apt " i get, no suchfile or directory |
| 05:52.24 | empty | dondelelcaro, I have not had it cause problems |
| 05:52.24 | ke6isf | blkrose: They were already there? =O.o= |
| 05:52.25 | Rama | Sorry, does anyone else have problems with |
| 05:52.34 | blkrose | yup |
| 05:52.37 | Rama | libmimelib1c2 ? |
| 05:52.38 | empty | looneybird_77590, etc not ect |
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| 05:52.39 | dondelelcaro | empty: if you even think that you're going to use it, it's far, far better to use dh-make-perl --build --cpan Foo::Module; |
| 05:52.58 | dondelelcaro | empty: but then only in the case when Debian doesn't already package the module (which is fairly rare) |
| 05:52.59 | empty | dondelelcaro, OK, good info thanks |
| 05:53.12 | ke6isf | blkrose: OK. First, you need to get security.debian.org in there. Have you ever run apt-setup before? |
| 05:53.24 | empty | dondelelcaro, not in my experience ;) |
| 05:53.30 | dondelelcaro | empty: the primary reason being that CPAN installs stuff in the wrong places, and most ExtUtils::MakeMaker scripts don't uninstall worth beans |
| 05:53.30 | blkrose | I think I stumbled on it a few days ago heh |
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| 05:53.55 | ke6isf | blkrose: OK. Run apt-setup. |
| 05:53.59 | dondelelcaro | empty: well, generally if it isn't packaged in Debian, it should give you pause: "should I really be using this?" "why isn't it in Debian already?" |
| 05:54.10 | mhall | dondelelcaro: CPAN should die |
| 05:54.29 | dondelelcaro | mhall: CPAN is useful, but it's really built for distributions and operating systems that suck horribly. |
| 05:54.33 | ngmlinux | how can I make a gzipped tarball without putting all the items in a folder? |
| 05:54.41 | ke6isf | blkrose: To explain, the reason you're not having any luck with getting stuff installed is because you only have the source code repositories in your sources.list. |
| 05:54.41 | mhall | dondelelcaro: If it's not in Debian, you should use it (TM). :-) |
| 05:54.46 | blkrose | ok, and just add security.debian.org by hand? |
| 05:54.48 | mhall | dondelelcaro: shouldn't* |
| 05:54.59 | mhall | dondelelcaro: That's the dondelelcaro correlary to DFSG? |
| 05:55.00 | ngmlinux | so when I unzip/untar all the files spew out instead of in a folder? |
| 05:55.03 | ke6isf | blkrose: Yeah, sort of. Run apt-setup a couple of times first, though, and then I'll give you the lines in #flood to add. |
| 05:55.12 | ngmlinux | how can I make a gzipped tarball without putting all the items in a folder? |
| 05:55.17 | dondelelcaro | mhall: nah; I've got my fair share of packages installed that aren't in Debian at all... |
| 05:55.17 | ngmlinux | so when I unzip/untar all the files spew out instead of in a folder? |
| 05:55.20 | blkrose | AH! Thanks! I had a hunch that was a issue (though I didn't know) |
| 05:55.32 | dondelelcaro | mhall: but almost always I stop and thought about if it was the right module for the job |
| 05:55.35 | empty | dondelelcaro, trust me, I have needs Debian cannot fully supply alone |
| 05:55.42 | ngmlinux | anybody? |
| 05:55.57 | empty | MSSQL server DBI for one |
| 05:56.03 | Gnea | !anybody |
| 05:56.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:56.27 | ke6isf | ngmlinux: You provide a list of files to archive, and it will archive them. |
| 05:56.47 | ke6isf | ngmlinux: Caveat: the files have to be in the present working directory. |
| 05:56.52 | ngmlinux | so tar -czf files.tar.gz file1 file2 file3 ? |
| 05:56.59 | tuxceri | anybody know about sattrack?? |
| 05:57.14 | Gnea | !tell tuxceri about anybody |
| 05:57.20 | dondelelcaro | empty: sure; there are definetly reasons to use dh-make-perl, which is why it exists... and indeed, the answers to the those two questions I asked above are "no", and "because the database it talks to sucks ass" for DBD::MSSQL respectively... |
| 05:57.20 | ke6isf | !tell tuxceri -abotu polls |
| 05:57.22 | ngmlinux | ke6isf: that the correct syntax? |
| 05:57.38 | ke6isf | ngmlinux: 'man tar'. |
| 05:57.44 | dondelelcaro | empty: but knowing that, sometimes you don't really have much of a choice. |
| 05:57.46 | ngmlinux | thanks |
| 05:57.51 | mhall | What's an elegant way of taking a paste of a Firefox table with tab delimitation and changing it to the appropriate amount of space justification needed to prevent overlap of the contents from row-to-row as the string lengths change? |
| 05:57.57 | empty | dondelelcaro, I am not arguing for mssql just saying the corporate workplace has needs |
| 05:58.18 | tuxceri | soory |
| 05:58.28 | jm_ | mhall: |expand ? |
| 05:58.33 | Gnea | empty: what about the corporate workplace? |
| 05:58.35 | empty | dondelelcaro, not that the Sybase module is all that great to get working any way you slice it ;) |
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| 05:58.41 | mwilson | I love the look of the 2005 TARDIS |
| 05:58.43 | mhall | jm_: hmm let me check the man page. had not heard of it. |
| 05:58.56 | ke6isf | empty: Corporate workplace? You mean corporations like, say, Procter and Gamble? |
| 05:59.00 | blkrose | ke6isf: ok, I've run it a few times and the list is the same still.. what am I doing wrong :( |
| 05:59.00 | looneybird_77590 | ok, my bag. terminal window is now in /etc/apt. |
| 05:59.08 | empty | Gnea, just saying I need stuff outside of Debians repositories for many things ;) |
| 05:59.20 | empty | ke6isf, No, more like "the one that pays me" |
| 05:59.20 | Gnea | empty: heh, nothing wrong there ;) |
| 05:59.26 | dondelelcaro | empty: yeah, it's one of those things that you should run away from as fast as possible; anything is better than it |
| 05:59.31 | ke6isf | empty: Ah, OK, that makes sense then |
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| 05:59.44 | ke6isf | blkrose: That's odd. Is it exiting with any sort of error? |
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| 05:59.50 | blkrose | nope |
| 06:00.02 | ke6isf | blkrose: Random stab here, what are the permissions on the file? |
| 06:00.03 | empty | Preaching to the choir al of you, I am moving us towards an OOo deployment and we are now running thinclients in our main call center |
| 06:00.11 | ke6isf | blkrose: You *are* running it as root, aren't you? |
| 06:00.27 | Gnea | empty: uh huh |
| 06:00.33 | blkrose | yes, I'm running it as root.. that much I know lol |
| 06:00.35 | vir182 | somehow i messed ump with the module dependencies in /lib/modules/2.6.13. And i guess one of the modules is vital for my system. The system does not boot anymore since it can not find the needed module. Is there a way to create those dependenice files in my rescue kernel? |
| 06:01.00 | ke6isf | heh, you can't even run apt-setup as a user anyway. |
| 06:01.04 | mwilson | "Lots of planets have a North!" |
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| 06:01.06 | Gnea | empty: is your thinclient solution debianized or something else? |
| 06:01.22 | blkrose | hehe I knoticed ;) |
| 06:01.29 | blkrose | noticed rather |
| 06:01.31 | ke6isf | Or rather, you can, it's just out of path and will gack at you. |
| 06:01.36 | empty | it's Sunray running on Debian |
| 06:01.59 | mwilson | "Fantastic!" |
| 06:02.10 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:02.13 | blkrose | ok, I run apt-setup and choose http right? |
| 06:02.19 | empty | the sunray stuff is actually pretty cool and they have a wifi laptop client now I am thinking needs some exploration |
| 06:02.23 | ke6isf | blkrose: http, ftp, doesn't matter. |
| 06:02.43 | empty | I see nothing wrong with paying for something of value |
| 06:02.48 | blkrose | ok.. then the u.s. then I choose the first place on the list.. seems to work... |
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| 06:02.55 | mhall | jm_: You rule! That was _JUST_ what I needed. |
| 06:03.02 | ke6isf | downloads files, builds the database, doesn't gack at you? |
| 06:03.04 | mhall | jm_: expand -t 15 |
| 06:03.12 | blkrose | right |
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| 06:03.22 | fazla | hi |
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| 06:03.28 | ke6isf | blkrose: 'tail /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 06:03.31 | fazla | what's name of openoffice ? |
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| 06:03.34 | mhall | jm_: I have to design a tokenizer for a Lisp-style language. *cringe* and there's a huge weird FSM table I wanted in my code comments. |
| 06:03.35 | Gnea | empty: what do you think about hp's thinclients? |
| 06:03.38 | fazla | apt-get install openoffice.org ? |
| 06:03.41 | blkrose | um, ok, that time it gave me a message... I'll post it in flood |
| 06:03.42 | mhall | fazla: openoffice.org* packages |
| 06:03.45 | fazla | hm thanks |
| 06:03.46 | empty | Gnea, have not really played with them |
| 06:03.58 | mhall | fazla: apt-cache search openoffice | egrep ^openoffice |
| 06:04.05 | mhall | fazla: apt-cache search openoffice | egrep ^openoffice | less |
| 06:04.07 | looneybird_77590 | how do i list the "sources.list" file in terminal window |
| 06:04.07 | ke6isf | fazla: 'apt-cache search openoffice.org', pick your packages. |
| 06:04.27 | Coke | fazla: you know you can search with apt-cache search <search pattern> ? |
| 06:04.32 | empty | Gnea, don't have any complaints with what we have though |
| 06:04.37 | ke6isf | blkrose: dump the whole thing into #flood again. |
| 06:04.39 | Gnea | empty: heh no doubt |
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| 06:04.46 | fazla | Coke: yes but i just asked to be sure |
| 06:04.47 | blkrose | the list? |
| 06:04.54 | ke6isf | blkrose: Yep. |
| 06:04.55 | fazla | and i'm using debian unstable.. |
| 06:04.59 | blkrose | okie dokie |
| 06:05.09 | fazla | can i install openoffice.. there is a dependency problem |
| 06:05.34 | Gnea | fazla: apt-cache search openoffice |
| 06:05.38 | fazla | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.46 | fazla | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.47 | Gnea | fazla: stay away from kde. |
| 06:05.48 | Coke | fazla: use stable or testing |
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| 06:05.56 | fazla | hm |
| 06:06.01 | fazla | okay |
| 06:06.15 | ke6isf | blkrose: Strip out the last two lines. |
| 06:06.28 | ke6isf | blkrose: The first four lines, every other one should be 'deb', not 'deb-src', as dondelelcaro pointed out. |
| 06:06.39 | Coke | fazla: unstable is for testers and developers who don't mind getting dirty with the package dependencies. |
| 06:06.41 | fazla | can i save two different sources.list database ? |
| 06:06.51 | empty | It makes keeping an eye on the support staff a helluva lot easier |
| 06:06.53 | fazla | must i update for all changes ? |
| 06:07.08 | ke6isf | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 06:07.17 | Coke | fazla: yes, you can have many sources and update what for what changes? |
| 06:08.06 | looneybird_77590 | how do i list the "sources.list" file in terminal window |
| 06:08.10 | fazla | for example.. i want to install only openoffice's stable packets.. i want to install unstable packets for other packets.. |
| 06:08.25 | Guerin | fazla: tricky. |
| 06:08.32 | fazla | must i change sources.list and update for only openoffice ? |
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| 06:09.00 | Coke | fazla: it won't work because the unstable packages would depend on packages newer than the ones available in testing |
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| 06:10.35 | fazla | ah well :) |
| 06:10.47 | fazla | i can't install openoffice because i'm using sid :) |
| 06:10.50 | fazla | unstable.. |
| 06:10.59 | bucky | looneybird_77590, cat sources.list |
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| 06:11.09 | bucky | or cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:11.10 | mhall | fazla: hmm works for me |
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| 06:13.38 | mhall | Alright, so I have a big folder of HTML documents. The Single UNIX Specification Version 3. How do I index this and make it searchable for strings lickedy split? Is there some kind of little crawler app that can do it? |
| 06:14.05 | mwilson | mhall: Ooooh... where? |
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| 06:14.16 | diana | hai |
| 06:14.22 | mhall | mwilson: URL follows. http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/download/susv3.tar.bz2 |
| 06:14.27 | bucky | iah |
| 06:14.32 | mhall | mwilson: There is a Debian package of it as well. |
| 06:14.32 | diana | ?? |
| 06:14.38 | bucky | ?? |
| 06:14.48 | diana | hai |
| 06:14.55 | bucky | hi diana |
| 06:15.00 | mhall | mwilson: I pretty much swear by it when writing C and C++ applications. Particularly when pthreads is involved. |
| 06:15.02 | diana | :~) |
| 06:15.12 | mhall | !tell diana about return |
| 06:15.14 | jm_ | mhall: I used mnogosearch back then |
| 06:15.17 | mhall | !tell bucky about return |
| 06:15.35 | mhall | jm_: ah sweet, let me try it |
| 06:15.50 | looneybird_77590 | ok list came up. how can i edit. then save. |
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| 06:16.15 | bucky | looneybird_77590, with vi if you know how to use it |
| 06:16.27 | fazla | hm |
| 06:16.40 | fazla | mhall: it's working for me now too.. i updated sources list |
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| 06:17.06 | diana | hai bucky |
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| 06:17.16 | looneybird_77590 | dont no how to use. "newbie" |
| 06:17.19 | fazla | 0% [5 myspell-de-ch 106399/365kB 29%] 12.7kB/s 8h12m3s |
| 06:17.23 | fazla | :) |
| 06:17.30 | diana | :~) |
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| 06:18.18 | bucky | diana, so how are things in Kuala Lumpur ? |
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| 06:18.24 | dhel | how to use messenger in the linux? |
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| 06:18.28 | whatever | some serious help would be appreciated here, I've spent a good 6+h trying to research this config and I'm not getting far. ...basically I'm trying to make exim4 first authenticate, and then relay if authenticated. documentation is sketchy at best. XD |
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| 06:18.35 | diana | i'm in terengganu |
| 06:18.51 | bucky | diana, very nice |
| 06:19.01 | dhel | for wat? |
| 06:19.10 | diana | where u came ? |
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| 06:19.23 | dhel | phil. |
| 06:19.24 | dhel | u? |
| 06:19.40 | diana | ?? |
| 06:19.52 | bucky | diana, in the US |
| 06:19.52 | dhel | diana where u come from? |
| 06:19.57 | pingouin | from hell ;) |
| 06:19.59 | bucky | dhel, ^^ |
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| 06:20.19 | diana | ?? |
| 06:20.23 | dhel | hi!! bucky |
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| 06:20.41 | mhall | fazla: yeah sources list can be a mess |
| 06:21.06 | diana | bucky, m or f ? |
| 06:21.08 | dhel | can i ask you diana? |
| 06:21.08 | mhall | !wallops diana bucky and dhel are scrolling the channel with crap |
| 06:21.08 | dpkg | okay, mhall |
| 06:21.20 | diana | yes dhel |
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| 06:21.59 | dhel | asl plz? |
| 06:21.59 | whatever | >_< |
| 06:21.59 | diana | asl plz ?? |
| 06:21.59 | dhel | 20m phil. |
| 06:22.00 | dhel | u diana? |
| 06:22.40 | diana | i don't understand |
| 06:22.44 | whatever | diana: uh, asl = age/sex/location |
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| 06:23.09 | deadcat | wrong channel gang |
| 06:23.21 | diana | 15,f,malaysia |
| 06:23.28 | dhel | ok i mean your age, sex, and location? diana!!!!! |
| 06:23.32 | whatever | for real, I have a legitimate question I'm trying to get answered. :P |
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| 06:23.35 | deadcat | diana: phated? wtf |
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| 06:23.41 | Phated | ... WHAT? |
| 06:23.43 | dhel | ok |
| 06:23.50 | Phated | deadcat: Dude. I'm 17 now. |
| 06:24.01 | jm_ | no more sweet little sixteen |
| 06:24.02 | mhall | deadcat: what's the dpkg command to tell the ops to kick em |
| 06:24.03 | ke6isf | !asl |
| 06:24.03 | dpkg | ke6isf, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
| 06:24.08 | dhel | diana can u be my friend? |
| 06:24.09 | deadcat | Phated: #debian people are fucking with my head.. )= |
| 06:24.11 | blkrose | ke6isf: One more quick question.. do I need to do all this to my other kernels I run? (I have a couple kernels installed.. don't ask me why though lol) |
| 06:24.11 | Phated | jm_: for two more days, yes there is! |
| 06:24.12 | justin420 | hi, i get an error message when trying to print a test page on my hp psc 500, http://channels.debian.net/paste/707 . anybody able to help?? |
| 06:24.15 | diana | ok |
| 06:24.15 | mhall | deadcat: i cannot remember it |
| 06:24.19 | deadcat | !ops help |
| 06:24.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: help |
| 06:24.23 | jm_ | Phated: ohh |
| 06:24.33 | mhall | !ops diana bucky and dhel are scrolling the channel with crap |
| 06:24.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: diana bucky and dhel are scrolling the channel with crap |
| 06:24.38 | ke6isf | blkrose: Shoot. |
| 06:24.38 | dhel | diana thanx |
| 06:24.49 | dondelelcaro | dhel, diana: feel free to take this conversation elsewhere. |
| 06:24.53 | Phated | jm_: Yeh. |
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| 06:25.00 | ke6isf | blkrose: You mean other Debian installations? |
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| 06:25.12 | Zugschlus | whatever: did you find /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.SMTP-AUTH? If you find that documentation "sketchy at its best", I'd like to have improvements |
| 06:25.20 | mhall | dondelelcaro: thanks. wholehearted thanks. I owe you one e-beer. |
| 06:25.27 | Phated | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 06:25.40 | blkrose | um, not exactly instalations.. just different kernel files.. when it boots it gives me a choise of kernels to load |
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| 06:25.58 | mhall | dondelelcaro: I was afraid if they did it for too much longer I'd have to look up their IPs, book some international flights, and go on a major league beatdown. |
| 06:25.58 | diana | dhel, ur asl ? |
| 06:25.58 | dhel | hello every one!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 06:26.00 | ke6isf | blkrose: Ah, OK. No, you won't need to repeat this for each kernel - dpkg/APT are pretty much independent of that. |
| 06:26.11 | mhall | dondelelcaro: Hmm. They are back. |
| 06:26.13 | dhel | 20m Philippines |
| 06:26.13 | ke6isf | diana: Thsi is not a singles room. |
| 06:26.14 | blkrose | oh ok.. thanks again! |
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| 06:26.32 | ke6isf | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 06:26.49 | mhall | ke6isf: dpkg has a pretty good stock of vices, does she not? |
| 06:26.52 | dondelelcaro | dhel, diana: consider talking in #debian-ot or your own channel instead, please. |
| 06:26.59 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: letting them know whos incharge eh? (= |
| 06:27.00 | ke6isf | mhall: I wonder if she has tea. |
| 06:27.09 | ke6isf | !tea ke6isf |
| 06:27.16 | mhall | ke6isf: yes. |
| 06:27.20 | mhall | ke6isf: it appears so. |
| 06:27.20 | ke6isf | Yes, she does. =^_^= |
| 06:27.34 | blkrose | YAY! My system now "sux" lol |
| 06:27.37 | mhall | ke6isf: Ah, yes. An anime emoticon. ;-) |
| 06:27.49 | ke6isf | Though I don't understand why my tea is on fire. |
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| 06:27.55 | mhall | blkrose: Not quite. But you might say it's sux or it's teh sux! |
| 06:27.58 | whatever | zugschlus: basically thats where I'm at..... problem is it just denies me relay and exists. |
| 06:28.04 | chant | is there a way to set duplex on an ethernet card via the /proc filesystem? |
| 06:28.17 | mhall | ke6isf: I think perhaps they meant flames against the bone china to get the tea real friggin hot? |
| 06:28.26 | ke6isf | mhall: Hmm... yeah. |
| 06:28.27 | blkrose | all this just to run a shelled winblows.. I ought to be shot! |
| 06:28.33 | mhall | chant: mii-tool is what I think you need. |
| 06:28.34 | Coke | chant: sounds far fetched considering most drivers set duplex using driver parameters. |
| 06:28.46 | mhall | chant: No it's not via /proc, but it should do the job. |
| 06:28.51 | chant | mii-tool would be nice but I'm running the debian-installer |
| 06:28.58 | mhall | chant: ah damn |
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| 06:29.02 | mhall | chant: hmm |
| 06:29.03 | chant | so I guess I need to push a statically-linked mii-tool into the debian installer. |
| 06:29.04 | whatever | zugschlus: I assumed there must be some kind of line to add to the extent "if authenticated then relay" ...nothing is coming up at all documentation wise. :/ |
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| 06:29.09 | mhall | chant: not quite |
| 06:29.24 | mhall | chant: go onto the shell screen |
| 06:29.24 | chant | the ethernet card is stuck in a bad state because of a driver error |
| 06:29.27 | chant | I'm there |
| 06:29.28 | mhall | chant: run chroot /target |
| 06:29.33 | Zugschlus | whatever: that line is already present in the ACLs |
| 06:29.39 | mhall | chant: then use wget to get the mii-tool deb |
| 06:29.45 | chant | not quiet |
| 06:29.47 | chant | quite |
| 06:29.53 | mhall | chant: are you installing stable? |
| 06:29.55 | chant | this is still first stages, don't even have base in yet. |
| 06:29.59 | chant | mhall - amd64. |
| 06:30.00 | Zugschlus | whatever: everything you need to do is in README.SMTP-AUTH |
| 06:30.08 | mhall | chant: ok, i did amd64 too. |
| 06:30.12 | chant | no ethernet driver == no netboot |
| 06:30.19 | mhall | chant: netboot! |
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| 06:30.21 | chant | I'll just push it into the pixie boot package |
| 06:30.21 | chant | yeah. |
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| 06:30.24 | Zugschlus | whatever: if you have a problem with the instructions mentioned there, please file a bug or ask for help here. |
| 06:30.28 | mhall | chant: why not a net inst CD |
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| 06:30.30 | chant | I got a new ASROCK 939-dualSATAII |
| 06:30.33 | chant | no cdrom no floppy |
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| 06:30.41 | chant | I'm dirt cheap :-/ |
| 06:30.48 | mhall | chant: steal? |
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| 06:30.53 | mhall | chant: from another box? |
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| 06:30.59 | chant | all I have is my laptop. |
| 06:30.59 | streuner | Zugschlus: that was funny yesterday, i did read your blog... :-) |
| 06:31.02 | mhall | chant: how about USB stick? |
| 06:31.06 | chant | oooh that I can do. |
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| 06:31.17 | mhall | chant: there is a usb stick boot procedure |
| 06:31.42 | aizak | the xorg update to the latest unstable doesn't let me have 1280x1024 res. i only get 1024x768 any clues guys.. |
| 06:31.44 | whatever | zugschuls: really? ....hm, I probably missed it because I'm using a split config. actually, there is nothing in there about ACL's in that file fyi. either way I'm going to take a look in the file |
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| 06:32.04 | deadcat | aizak: -7? |
| 06:32.04 | chant | I think I'll try pushing a statically-linked mii-tool. |
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| 06:32.19 | chant | it's the easiest solution.. my USB stick is really a compactflash card with a lexar-jumpshot |
| 06:32.20 | chant | heh. |
| 06:32.25 | Zugschlus | whatever: README.SMTP-AUTH doesn't mention the ACLs since they don't need to be touched. Everything is already in Place. |
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| 06:32.45 | whatever | -=blink=- ...... |
| 06:32.52 | mhall | chant: also one thing with that usb stick method |
| 06:33.01 | aizak | deadcat: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 |
| 06:33.01 | mhall | chant: it's real easy to mod the stick file |
| 06:33.21 | mhall | chant: it's just a gzip file so i think you can tweak the contents |
| 06:33.25 | chant | how come the netboot method loads its stuff via tftp, but doesn't provide a tftp client? |
| 06:33.32 | chant | I can do the same to netboot. |
| 06:33.33 | deadcat | aizak: gravity handles xorg, hes here quite often |
| 06:33.39 | linux-noob | anybody: can somebody help me install yahoo messenger? |
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| 06:33.44 | aizak | ok.. |
| 06:33.46 | mhall | chant: er it doesn't include the tftp binary |
| 06:33.49 | ke6isf | linux-noob: apt-get install gaim |
| 06:33.52 | mhall | chant: that's evil |
| 06:33.53 | deadcat | !seen gravity |
| 06:33.53 | dpkg | gravity <n=david@pool-141-149-187-226.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 8h 55m 58s ago, saying: 'If gentoo or Redhat or whatever is a better fit, then go for it'. |
| 06:33.59 | chant | what is evil? |
| 06:34.02 | mhall | chant: you might report it as a bug |
| 06:34.12 | mhall | chant: not including the tftp binary is evil imho |
| 06:34.25 | linux-noob | ke6isf: what does yahoo mean by typing on the root? |
| 06:34.26 | mhall | deadcat: a good line to exit with |
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| 06:34.36 | mhall | deadcat: If you can find a better distribution, buy it! |
| 06:34.36 | ke6isf | !yahoo |
| 06:34.37 | dpkg | methinks yahoo is at http://www.yahoo.com. Voice Chat! http://phpaint.sourceforge.net/pyvoicechat/index_gyache.html |
| 06:34.37 | chant | I suppose w/o a properly working ethernet iface its useless anyways. |
| 06:34.49 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Um, parse error. What do you mean? |
| 06:34.57 | mhall | chant: why is your duplex broken |
| 06:34.58 | mhall | chant: also |
| 06:35.06 | mhall | chant: perhaps you can do it with a boot time option |
| 06:35.07 | chant | bug in driver; fixed in 2.6.13 |
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| 06:35.22 | linux-noob | ke6isf: i have to type something in the root to install yahoo messenger |
| 06:35.22 | mhall | chant: hmm what versions are broken |
| 06:35.25 | chant | autonegotiation is broken on the onboard ethernet |
| 06:35.30 | mhall | chant: can you get up and running with 2.4? |
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| 06:35.37 | deadcat | mhall: taht was gravity's exit right? (= |
| 06:35.38 | ke6isf | linux-noob: What distribution of Linux are you running? |
| 06:35.47 | linux-noob | ke6isf: debian |
| 06:35.49 | chant | doubt it... I doubt it would work under 2.4. |
| 06:35.51 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Which version? |
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| 06:35.54 | chant | brand spanking new eth chipset. |
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| 06:36.12 | chant | uli m5263 |
| 06:36.16 | mhall | chant: There are some kernel options. http://www.scyld.com/ethercard_drivers.html |
| 06:36.24 | mhall | chant: Do a text search on duplex. |
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| 06:36.30 | linux-noob | ke6isf: GNU? |
| 06:36.33 | salvia | good morning |
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| 06:36.42 | ke6isf | linux-noob: In a terminal, 'cat /etc/debian_version' please. |
| 06:36.45 | chant | cool.... good idea! |
| 06:36.51 | chant | since I modprobe the driver I can probably pass that at boot. |
| 06:36.54 | salvia | anyone knows of a good free smtp service provider without restrictions |
| 06:36.57 | linux-noob | ke6isf: 3.1r0a |
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| 06:37.04 | ke6isf | linux-noob: OK. |
| 06:37.06 | mhall | chant: Or when you do the modprobe. |
| 06:37.17 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Don't install Yahoo Messenger, install gaim. Like I said, 'apt-get install gaim'. |
| 06:37.22 | deadcat | salvia: why so you can spam? |
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| 06:37.27 | salvia | yeh |
| 06:37.29 | mhall | chant: modprobe module foo bar baz boo qux quux quuux quuuux quuuuux ... |
| 06:37.30 | salvia | he |
| 06:37.34 | deadcat | salvia: hotmail |
| 06:37.36 | salvia | nah |
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| 06:37.52 | salvia | i need something with no restrictions on BCC list and such |
| 06:37.53 | linux-noob | ke6isf: but here yahoo messenger is what they want, thats why i want to install it |
| 06:38.07 | ke6isf | linux-noob: I say it again, install gaim. |
| 06:38.15 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Why do they want Y!M over gaim? |
| 06:38.26 | linux-noob | ke6isf: can you just tell me what is root, and where it is? |
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| 06:38.39 | ke6isf | salvia: No postmaster in their right mind would unrestrict bcc. |
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| 06:38.46 | mhall | linux-noob: here being where? |
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| 06:38.50 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Root is the admin account. |
| 06:38.51 | salvia | ehe ke6 |
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| 06:39.06 | ke6isf | salvia: Why in tarnations do they need such a bozotic opening? |
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| 06:39.13 | mhall | ke6isf: mmm spammers |
| 06:39.13 | whatever | zugschlus: sorry, I've basically already done everything that SMTP-AUTH covers before I came to the channel. its no help |
| 06:39.32 | linux-noob | ke6isf: people are not yet familiar with gaim, thats why i have to install yahoo messenger |
| 06:39.51 | compguymac | question: running vncviewer, i have xfce installed and want the client machines to be able to login and gt the xfce gui, but it keeps going to gnome |
| 06:39.55 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Now's as good a time as ever for them to get familiar. It's not rocket science. |
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| 06:40.02 | looneybird_77590 | is it supposed to be "nonfree" or "non-free" that i use to edit source list |
| 06:40.04 | chant | mhall - damnit, I don't think busybox's modprobe supports parameters. |
| 06:40.13 | mhall | linux-noob: http://download.yahoo.com/dl/unix/ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb |
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| 06:40.19 | mwilson | compguymac: And you were told earlier what to do about it. |
| 06:40.30 | jm_ | compguymac: you can export current X session using rfb or x11vnc |
| 06:40.30 | compguymac | looneybird_77590, non-free |
| 06:40.36 | Zugschlus | whatever: what exactly do you plan to do? |
| 06:40.38 | mhall | chant: ! but the d-i installer detect hardware step does when you put it into expert mode |
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| 06:40.39 | looneybird_77590 | thanx |
| 06:40.49 | linux-noob | ke6isf: im already at the root, now where would i type the *.deb to install the application? in the terminal? |
| 06:40.57 | whatever | zugschlus: use sasl to authenticate |
| 06:41.07 | compguymac | i wasnet told earlier, it was very vague and i tried everything i was told mwilson |
| 06:41.24 | whatever | zugschlus: I unchecked the plain_saslauthd_server and login_saslauthd_server group |
| 06:41.54 | SimonRaven | don't fricking notice people for no reason. sheesh |
| 06:41.56 | blkrose | !beer ke6isf |
| 06:42.03 | mhall | god damn it |
| 06:42.04 | whatever | zugschlus: it goes right to denying routing in the log |
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| 06:42.17 | mhall | !ops please kick NiCeBoY for noticing the entire channel |
| 06:42.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please kick NiCeBoY for noticing the entire channel |
| 06:42.26 | marty_ | i'm having a problem with lirc |
| 06:42.26 | jm_ | wtf |
| 06:42.29 | ke6isf | Woo, beer! |
| 06:42.33 | whatever | zugschlus: sorry, relaying. |
| 06:42.37 | linux-noob | ke6isf: im already at the root, now where would i type the *.deb to install the application? in the terminal? |
| 06:42.47 | mhall | SimonRaven: now what happens when the spammers start to do it |
| 06:42.48 | ke6isf | !tell linux-noob -about repeat |
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| 06:42.53 | mhall | SimonRaven: *shudder* |
| 06:42.56 | blkrose | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 06:43.06 | linux-noob | sorry |
| 06:43.07 | SimonRaven | mhall: ugh |
| 06:43.09 | marty_ | is anyone here up on lirc? |
| 06:43.12 | mhall | chant: yeah i'm pondering the parameter problem |
| 06:43.20 | blkrose | Thanks for the help guys! |
| 06:43.22 | compguymac | looneybird_77590, non-free contrib |
| 06:43.24 | mhall | chant: how would the d-i module inserter get around it |
| 06:43.24 | linux-noob | i only repeat because you didnt answer my question |
| 06:43.24 | compguymac | both |
| 06:43.25 | ke6isf | No problem blkrose |
| 06:43.39 | mhall | chant: it's got to support params because there is no other module inserter available |
| 06:43.40 | chant | mhall - it comes after you get base |
| 06:43.43 | mhall | chant: *boggle* |
| 06:43.46 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Yes, I was away from my keyboard pouring tea. I can't very well type and carry hot liquids at the same time. Please be patient. |
| 06:43.46 | compguymac | linux-noob, whats up, ill help ya |
| 06:43.53 | chant | getting base is key |
| 06:44.04 | mhall | chant: they're really putting you up shit creek without a paddle aren't they |
| 06:44.07 | ke6isf | linux-noob: dpkg -i pkgname.deb |
| 06:44.13 | mhall | chant: well let me ponder a while |
| 06:44.14 | chant | its ok I think I have a sol'n |
| 06:44.19 | SimonRaven | man i love seeing that: SASL/GSSAPI authentication started after i do a ldapwhoami |
| 06:44.28 | chant | I'll statically ocmpile mii-tool and throw it in the initial system image |
| 06:44.30 | chant | it should be ok. |
| 06:44.33 | chant | and simple. |
| 06:44.36 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Though, I still insist that you should install gaim rather than y!m. |
| 06:44.46 | SimonRaven | i second that |
| 06:44.55 | Zugschlus | whatever: your Debian-exim user is member of the sasl group? |
| 06:45.02 | whatever | zugschlus: yep |
| 06:45.03 | Zugschlus | whatever: and your client is actually using TLS? |
| 06:45.10 | whatever | zugschlus: yep |
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| 06:45.25 | mhall | ke6isf: when people won't listen they won't listen |
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| 06:45.35 | Zugschlus | whatever: start a daemon with -d and see waht the debug output gives |
| 06:45.37 | ke6isf | mhall: You can tell a noob, but you can't tell 'em much. |
| 06:45.50 | SimonRaven | baby steps |
| 06:45.57 | mhall | ke6isf: you can tell them everything you want |
| 06:46.06 | Zugschlus | whatever: and use swaks as a test client, please |
| 06:46.10 | whatever | zugschlus: sorry, a daemon for...? not sure which process you mean. |
| 06:46.14 | mhall | ke6isf: but since they haven't set up their I/O streams right it goes to null by default |
| 06:46.19 | SimonRaven | swaks is nice as a testing client |
| 06:46.28 | SimonRaven | does all sorts of neat stuff |
| 06:46.42 | ke6isf | linux-noob: For what it's worth, I got a half-blind 12:00 flasher set up on gaim. |
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| 06:47.21 | chant | heh. static mii-tool is half a meg :-/ |
| 06:47.40 | SimonRaven | yeh, well that's what you get with statically-compiled binaries |
| 06:48.23 | linux-noob | ke6isf: you made your point, but pls can u help me install the yahoo messenger. i've already downloaded it |
| 06:48.32 | whatever | zugschlus: exim4 is running with -bd -q30m and saslauthd -a sasldb shadow |
| 06:48.33 | SimonRaven | there are nice things with static binaries, but also drawbacks. same for dynamic ones |
| 06:48.39 | ke6isf | linux-noob: I. Already. Gave. You. The. Command. |
| 06:48.56 | whatever | zugschlugs: not sure what you want me to run -d? |
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| 06:49.02 | linux-noob | ke6isf: but where would i type that? |
| 06:49.03 | SimonRaven | whatever: exim4 |
| 06:49.03 | mhall | !stdiolart mhall |
| 06:49.09 | ke6isf | linux-noob: At a root command line. |
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| 06:49.20 | ke6isf | Holy shit, it's not even Sunday. |
| 06:49.36 | SimonRaven | indeed. it's wednesdday morning here |
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| 06:49.42 | SimonRaven | s/dd/d/ |
| 06:49.51 | compguymac | linux-noob, i told u ill help you, i wont scold you because your a noob |
| 06:49.57 | compguymac | are you using debian? |
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| 06:50.07 | chant | here goes nothing.... |
| 06:50.10 | whatever | oooo |
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| 06:50.27 | novent939 | anyone familiar with squid? |
| 06:50.32 | crazytaxzi | hey Guerin you still here? |
| 06:50.41 | SimonRaven | november: just ask |
| 06:50.51 | SimonRaven | november: woops |
| 06:50.58 | SimonRaven | novent939: ^^^ |
| 06:51.02 | november | haha |
| 06:51.15 | mhall | !stdiolart mhall |
| 06:51.16 | november | tab completion |
| 06:51.18 | chant | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Opeartion not supported. |
| 06:51.21 | SimonRaven | yeh, heh |
| 06:51.22 | chant | :'( |
| 06:51.25 | mhall | chant: ! |
| 06:51.33 | mhall | hmm my dpkg command is broken |
| 06:51.33 | ke6isf | !lart linux-noob |
| 06:51.44 | novent939 | anyone know how to get squid to log urls and only urls to a random file |
| 06:51.45 | SimonRaven | chant: means that the driver and/or the NIC doesn't support MII |
| 06:51.51 | mhall | can anybody help me debug it? |
| 06:51.52 | crazytaxzi | Guerin: just in case you are here... Thank you for the help... i couldn't have gotten this Linux to work without your help... thank you |
| 06:52.03 | whatever | zugschlus: no mention of sasl as an authenticator... only cram_md5 and plaintext (ick) did you want the entire output to the screen? |
| 06:52.07 | mhall | SimonRaven: most of the times i tried it id didn't work |
| 06:52.15 | chant | it talks about MII in dmesg :( |
| 06:52.15 | mhall | SimonRaven: when does it actually work right |
| 06:52.23 | SimonRaven | doesn't work on crappy NICs ;) |
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| 06:52.44 | linux-noob | compguymac: now it your turn to answer me ^_^, why is that i have this error messages; requested operation requires superuser privilege after type the dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb |
| 06:53.00 | mhall | linux-noob: BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE ROOT TO INSTALL SHIT |
| 06:53.04 | chant | I wonder if I can just replace the bloody kernel in the installer. |
| 06:53.09 | linux-noob | waa |
| 06:53.12 | mhall | chant: hmm |
| 06:53.14 | linux-noob | dont get mad |
| 06:53.24 | Gnea | linux-noob: why the fuck not? |
| 06:53.28 | compguymac | linux-noob, do this |
| 06:53.28 | SimonRaven | seriously though, i've only seen 3com/usr and tulip nics support it. there's others i'm sure, but that's what i have access to |
| 06:53.31 | linux-noob | im really a noob at linux |
| 06:53.32 | ke6isf | !lart linux-noob |
| 06:53.33 | compguymac | in your terminal... |
| 06:53.36 | linux-noob | sob |
| 06:53.36 | chant | it is a tulip! |
| 06:53.37 | linux-noob | T_T |
| 06:53.39 | compguymac | type su |
| 06:53.40 | compguymac | and press enter |
| 06:53.44 | mhall | chant: lol |
| 06:53.47 | chant | a fake tulip. |
| 06:53.49 | mhall | chant: the card from hell |
| 06:53.51 | ice_1963 | duh |
| 06:53.54 | compguymac | then put in your password, then try what your were doing |
| 06:53.58 | Gnea | melt it |
| 06:53.58 | mhall | chant: your PC hates you |
| 06:54.01 | whatever | simonraven: I think zugs gave up on me. XD |
| 06:54.04 | chant | onboard ethernet hates me. |
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| 06:54.13 | mhall | chant: do you have a spare realtek card |
| 06:54.14 | SimonRaven | chant: is the mii module built in and/or loaded? |
| 06:54.17 | chant | I will try mushing kernel.org |
| 06:54.21 | mhall | chant: yes they suck but it will get you up and running |
| 06:54.25 | linux-noob | compguymac: authentication failure sorry |
| 06:54.28 | linux-noob | T_T |
| 06:54.31 | chant | ahahaha |
| 06:54.32 | mhall | chant: or is the box PCIe only |
| 06:54.35 | SimonRaven | linux-noob: so do it again... |
| 06:54.37 | chant | oh. |
| 06:54.39 | Zugschlus | whatever: an SMTP listening daemon, so that you get debug output for the SMTP transaction |
| 06:54.44 | SimonRaven | >_< |
| 06:54.46 | chant | it has PCI/AGP/PCI-E and lots more. |
| 06:54.48 | chant | it's kewl :D |
| 06:54.49 | mhall | chant: dig through your parts box |
| 06:54.52 | Zugschlus | whatever: so, exim4 -bd -d |
| 06:55.02 | whatever | zugschlus: goccha! |
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| 06:55.08 | chant | just a borked tulip implementation, that's all. |
| 06:55.08 | mhall | chant: you've got to have an old-ass card someplace, like maybe PCI NE2000 |
| 06:55.15 | SimonRaven | chant: yeh |
| 06:55.19 | compguymac | what distro are you using? |
| 06:55.22 | compguymac | debian? linux-noob |
| 06:55.28 | linux-noob | yup |
| 06:55.31 | novent939 | anyone .... squid? make it log to urls to a file |
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| 06:55.34 | linux-noob | 3.1r0a |
| 06:55.36 | chant | SimonRaven : I tried modprobing mii, which worked. |
| 06:55.39 | compguymac | press ctrl alt f2 |
| 06:55.44 | whatever | zugschlus: done |
| 06:55.46 | chant | but still mii-tool says SIOblahblahblbah fail |
| 06:55.47 | compguymac | and try from there, log in as root |
| 06:55.52 | linux-noob | done |
| 06:55.55 | linux-noob | ok |
| 06:55.58 | compguymac | to get back to Xwindows, press ctrl alt f7 |
| 06:56.10 | Zugschlus | whatever: please grep split /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 06:56.23 | Guerin | crazytaxzi: as i understand it, all i did was tell you to read the instructions; I'm surprised and pleased you took my advice. |
| 06:56.26 | mhall | chant: alright, i have another choice for you |
| 06:56.32 | linux-noob | can i pm you compguymac |
| 06:56.39 | whatever | zugschlus: true |
| 06:56.40 | mhall | chant: http://rz-obrian.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/knoppix-usb/ and then use it to put debian iso into file on hard disk |
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| 06:56.59 | chant | I want to beat this :) |
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| 06:57.03 | mhall | chant: there is an option then to make it read the debian iso from the hdd and use it as base install |
| 06:57.08 | chant | Need anything fancy to cross-compile an amd64 kernel? |
| 06:57.24 | Zugschlus | whatever: good. so you need to make your changes in /etc/exim4/conf.d/auth/30_exim4-config_examples |
| 06:57.28 | mhall | chant: what is your ethernet chipset again |
| 06:57.36 | chant | m5263 |
| 06:57.37 | chant | uli. |
| 06:57.45 | Zugschlus | whatever: did you /etc/init.d/exim4 reload after changing the file? |
| 06:57.45 | chant | there's a patch for it in 2.6.13 |
| 06:57.45 | linux-noob | compguymac: i still have the same error. T_T |
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| 06:57.52 | whatever | zugschlus: yeah, I did. :/ |
| 06:57.59 | linux-noob | its hard being noob, sob |
| 06:57.59 | chant | er, 2.6.13-mm1 |
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| 06:58.19 | crazytaxzi | ok now that i have debian working... the question that i have is... how do i run windows games on here? lol |
| 06:58.20 | Zugschlus | ok, I need -d output then. Please paste via http://paste.debian.net/, and I need to run to the office now. back in half an hour |
| 06:58.26 | chant | mhall: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.13-rc3/2.6.13-rc3-mm1/broken-out/tulip-fixes-for-uli5261.patch |
| 06:58.37 | whatever | zugschlus: thanks for your help |
| 06:58.43 | compguymac | ok, in xwindows, do what your trying to do, and private message me all of the output and everything linux-noob |
| 06:59.02 | hyperstream | where can i locate the x config file for xorg? |
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| 06:59.18 | compguymac | /etc/X11 |
| 06:59.24 | hyperstream | gah thats what i thought |
| 06:59.25 | mwilson | In /etc/X11, where the documentation says it is. |
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| 06:59.29 | ke6isf | !tell hyperstream -about drxx |
| 06:59.31 | hyperstream | this idiot is telling me otherwise |
| 06:59.39 | streuner | heh |
| 06:59.41 | myren | Frak, Marillat is going out of date. ffmpeg is 5 months old! even debian has a newer distro bundled |
| 06:59.41 | ke6isf | hyperstream: What idiot? |
| 06:59.47 | fireba11 | anyone got a clue how many vibrations a regular HD can withstand ? f.ex. will it survive a medium earthquake while in use ? they are working with heavy machinery right in front of our office right now .. they are ramming 7m long steel girders into the ground ... |
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| 07:00.01 | hyperstream | a old friend on msn |
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| 07:00.12 | hyperstream | hence the word old |
| 07:00.18 | ke6isf | hyperstream: I gotta ask, where does he say it is? |
| 07:00.19 | linux-noob | compguymac: i've already pmed you the error |
| 07:00.23 | novent939 | fireba11: why kind of HDs? |
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| 07:00.27 | hyperstream | let me ask |
| 07:00.28 | mwilson | Oh, yes, after all ffmpeg magically expires after 5 months. |
| 07:00.31 | fireba11 | normal desktop ones |
| 07:00.45 | hyperstream | meh |
| 07:00.55 | hyperstream | he;s saying /etc/X11 |
| 07:01.00 | novent939 | i repeat meh |
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| 07:01.30 | hyperstream | he asks me where it was located and im like /etc/X11 then this big argument about it. |
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| 07:01.32 | novent939 | fireba11: normal desktop ones ... do you have any idea of manufacturer |
| 07:01.37 | hyperstream | aparently he's 'fucking with me' |
| 07:01.55 | sim_ | I just installed testing on a notebook but e.g. OOo starts like 2 minutes, what can be wrong? I have no clue where to look |
| 07:01.59 | myren | thats bizarre |
| 07:02.09 | ke6isf | sim_: First thought? You could use more RAM. |
| 07:02.28 | sim_ | ke6isf, have planty of that ;) |
| 07:02.37 | myren | the CVS i'm seeing has Sam Hocevar listed as author, not Marillat like the 20050427 package i'm seeing |
| 07:02.53 | sim_ | ke6isf, how about second thought ;) |
| 07:02.56 | myren | your talking about 0.cvs20050811-2, mwilson? |
| 07:03.01 | fireba11 | novent939: mixed .. WD, Hitachi ... |
| 07:03.09 | compguymac | linux-noob, i never got the pm |
| 07:03.11 | ke6isf | sim_: Proc speed? How much RAM? |
| 07:03.27 | sim_ | ke6isf, centrino 1,5 756 MB |
| 07:03.35 | compguymac | linux-noob, i pmed u, u see me? |
| 07:03.43 | compguymac | at the bottom of the screen |
| 07:03.48 | ke6isf | sim_: 768 more likely, 756 is not a power of two. |
| 07:03.50 | compguymac | probably in blue or yellow |
| 07:04.01 | crazytaxzi | lol... ok how do you install things like games that you download for linux? |
| 07:04.04 | sim_ | ke6isf, I had debian on it before, yeah sorry abot the number ;) |
| 07:04.06 | Guerin | !768-32 |
| 07:04.06 | dpkg | 736 |
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| 07:04.11 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:04.21 | mwilson | crazytaxzi: You read the instructions, of course. |
| 07:04.21 | linux-noob | sorry |
| 07:04.22 | novent939 | fireba11: you should be fine, it will take quite a vibration to knock the rw heads out of its tolerent range |
| 07:04.32 | sim_ | ke6isf, no problems, before, so I am really confused... |
| 07:04.34 | mwilson | crazytaxzi: Same as you do for Windows or anything else. |
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| 07:04.42 | ke6isf | sim_: No ideas. |
| 07:04.46 | sim_ | hmmm |
| 07:04.53 | ke6isf | !rtfm CrazyEddy |
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| 07:04.55 | ke6isf | oops.... |
| 07:04.59 | ke6isf | !rtfm crazytaxzi |
| 07:05.01 | myren | mwilson: little help here, whats the release info on the ffmpeg you were talking about |
| 07:05.02 | compguymac | started vnc viewer : vncviewer :01 and connectiong from other computer error: Exception connectiong to 192.168.1.107 Connection refused |
| 07:05.03 | ke6isf | CrazyEddy: ...sorry. |
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| 07:05.42 | hyperstream | Xwrapper.conf whats the nice_value=-10 for ? |
| 07:06.04 | mwilson | Just what the name implies. |
| 07:06.06 | compguymac | whoops, i was using the wrong internal ip, my bad |
| 07:06.12 | linux-noob | compguymac: i've seen your pm |
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| 07:06.29 | fireba11 | noven939: ah well .. it is quite a vibration ^^ *worried about my servers* |
| 07:06.38 | linux-noob | compguymac: dont you see my pms |
| 07:06.46 | chant | mwuahahahaha |
| 07:06.52 | novent939 | fireba11: rack mounted servers? |
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| 07:07.15 | compguymac | no, i dont |
| 07:07.19 | ke6isf | hmm, my spam filter's slacking. |
| 07:07.20 | looneybird_77590 | ok edited source. now looks like: deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ stable main contrib non-free i added "contrib non-free" is this correct? |
| 07:07.22 | linux-noob | ok |
| 07:07.24 | compguymac | do you have aim? |
| 07:07.31 | ke6isf | looneybird_77590: Yes. |
| 07:07.50 | ke6isf | looneybird_77590: That's not the only line in the file, is it? |
| 07:07.53 | linux-noob | nope im using windows xp right beside the computer with linux which im trying to fix |
| 07:07.56 | looneybird_77590 | ok |
| 07:08.02 | fireba11 | novent939: no .. desktop boxes sadly .. placed them on crincled cardboard already to not have them stand on the solid ground while they work |
| 07:08.10 | looneybird_77590 | gonna go try again |
| 07:08.29 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Why in the hell are you trying to fix a Linux computer when you know nothing of it?! |
| 07:08.35 | linux-noob | compguymac: nway, what does -i means? |
| 07:08.40 | compguymac | because hes learning |
| 07:08.46 | compguymac | -i on what command? |
| 07:09.01 | linux-noob | my bad, wrong term i mean installing applications on linux |
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| 07:09.09 | linux-noob | dpkg compguymac |
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| 07:09.28 | compguymac | what about installing applications on linux linux-noob |
| 07:09.29 | hyperstream | is it possible to start a new x session via this session ? (xgame is a application that attempts to do it but has authencation issues and fails. perhaps i need a seprate xorg.conf file? |
| 07:09.29 | novent939 | fireba11: well here are your options ... move the servers put foam or something under them, it will be very hard to prove that the construction caused the failure |
| 07:09.45 | linux-noob | the yahoo messenger compguymac |
| 07:09.54 | compguymac | ya.. your trying to install it right? |
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| 07:10.03 | compguymac | are you using debian? linux-noob |
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| 07:10.14 | linux-noob | yup 3.1r0a |
| 07:10.33 | hyperstream | linux-noob, apt-get install gaim |
| 07:10.35 | linux-noob | i hope your not that rude |
| 07:10.41 | hyperstream | has multi chat protocol support |
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| 07:10.50 | hyperstream | msn/icq/irc/yahoo/gabber |
| 07:10.52 | novent939 | fireba11: make sure your backups are in order and save all minesweeper games |
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| 07:10.53 | linux-noob | but i dont want aim |
| 07:10.59 | CrazyEddy | ke6isf: :-) |
| 07:11.01 | hyperstream | you dont need to use aim |
| 07:11.03 | linux-noob | i want yahoo messenger |
| 07:11.07 | crazytaxzi | lol i am back and i need to get used to the options in here |
| 07:11.09 | hyperstream | you can choose just about all the messenger types |
| 07:11.12 | crazytaxzi | i want yahoo also |
| 07:11.12 | linux-noob | waa |
| 07:11.14 | ke6isf | hyperstream: I tried to tell him.... |
| 07:11.16 | hyperstream | it has support for yahoo |
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| 07:11.19 | linux-noob | your hurting me guy |
| 07:11.20 | linux-noob | your hurting me guys |
| 07:11.27 | compguymac | ok, type this |
| 07:11.37 | hyperstream | with giam u can connect to msn/icq/aim/YAHOOOOOOO/irc |
| 07:11.38 | compguymac | apt-get install jabber-yahoo |
| 07:11.44 | crazytaxzi | man i am so drunk i can't believe i got it running |
| 07:11.46 | linux-noob | why it is so hard being noob sob |
| 07:11.48 | hyperstream | apt-get install gaim if thats what youwant |
| 07:11.52 | ke6isf | crazytaxzi: You want yahoo... what? Yahoo.com? yahoo mail? yahoo messenger? |
| 07:12.01 | hyperstream | linux-noob, listen man |
| 07:12.10 | hyperstream | you want a yahoo messenger client? |
| 07:12.13 | myren | way to be useless as ever mwilson. :/ |
| 07:12.15 | hyperstream | USE GAIM |
| 07:12.18 | compguymac | linux-noob, you can apt search by... apt-cache search yahoo |
| 07:12.18 | ke6isf | hyperstream: Don't bother. You'll drive yourself insane trying. |
| 07:12.29 | Eclipser | centericq has yahoo support too I think |
| 07:12.31 | mwilson | myren: Oh? |
| 07:12.35 | compguymac | he doesent want to use gaim hyperstream |
| 07:12.37 | linux-noob | ok guys listen up |
| 07:12.39 | hyperstream | why not |
| 07:12.45 | compguymac | sup linux-noob |
| 07:12.51 | linux-noob | ive already done that in ubuntu linux |
| 07:12.52 | ke6isf | hyperstream: Because his users are not used to gaim, they're used to y!m. |
| 07:12.52 | mwilson | myren: Now I'm responsible for Marillat's archive? |
| 07:12.56 | myren | n0 l33t$criP4 Plugins |
| 07:12.59 | linux-noob | and i dont want gaim |
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| 07:13.00 | linux-noob | ok? |
| 07:13.05 | hyperstream | install windows. |
| 07:13.06 | hyperstream | :) |
| 07:13.16 | Eclipser | there's no official yahoo messenger for linux I think |
| 07:13.21 | Guerin | yahoo messenger isn't in debian. Whatever you're trying to do with it, it's not a debian issue. |
| 07:13.21 | hyperstream | or else google how to 'yahoo linux' |
| 07:13.22 | linux-noob | there is |
| 07:13.22 | myren | you already identified that you knew the package i was talking about and claimed it was updated in august |
| 07:13.23 | hyperstream | thats right |
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| 07:13.29 | myren | where did you find this info |
| 07:13.32 | compguymac | there is on yahoo.com |
| 07:13.33 | linux-noob | look at yahoo site |
| 07:13.33 | myren | what was the ersion info on it |
| 07:13.35 | Eclipser | ooo |
| 07:13.36 | ke6isf | Eclipser: There actually is one, and there's a deb and an rpm for it - but they're like 2 or 3 versions back from the Windows version. |
| 07:13.38 | Eclipser | there is actually |
| 07:13.38 | mwilson | I read the changelog. |
| 07:13.40 | compguymac | ok, linux-noob what is the file name? |
| 07:13.40 | hyperstream | linux-noob, then read the site |
| 07:13.43 | myren | dont play dumb, we know your game |
| 07:13.44 | hyperstream | follow instructions |
| 07:13.45 | hyperstream | ok ? |
| 07:13.46 | Eclipser | ke6isf, heh |
| 07:13.46 | linux-noob | why are you guys here so cruel |
| 07:13.54 | compguymac | im not, just talk to me, ill help you |
| 07:13.57 | hyperstream | linux-noob, because you being silly |
| 07:13.58 | Guerin | if you have problems with the yahoo instant messenger on yahoo.com, complain to yahoo and tell them they're shit |
| 07:13.59 | myren | mostly for fun and sport linux-noob |
| 07:14.00 | mwilson | What "game" would that be? |
| 07:14.01 | linux-noob | not like in ubuntu channel |
| 07:14.01 | compguymac | you just have to listen |
| 07:14.08 | linux-noob | pm me then |
| 07:14.08 | Guerin | linux-noob: really... it's offtopic. |
| 07:14.10 | myren | funa dns port of course |
| 07:14.14 | linux-noob | waaaaaaaa |
| 07:14.19 | myren | fun and sport, that is |
| 07:14.23 | hyperstream | linux-noob, go install ubuntu and complain to them ok? |
| 07:14.31 | ke6isf | !beer hyperstream |
| 07:14.37 | hyperstream | :/ |
| 07:14.39 | dondelelcaro | hyperstream: relax and use /ignore |
| 07:14.40 | novent939 | ok this sucks!! NOOB- YAHOO MESSENGER .... http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html there is the download site, use rpm -i ymessenger.rpm or use alien to change that to a debain package |
| 07:14.43 | Guerin | is he using ubuntu as well as yahoo messenger? |
| 07:14.43 | streuner | linux-noob: what problem do you have? |
| 07:14.46 | Guerin | seriously? |
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| 07:14.50 | hyperstream | dondelelcaro, good point |
| 07:14.55 | JoshH | mmm, spaten optimator |
| 07:15.02 | compguymac | linux-noob, ok, what is the file name? |
| 07:15.03 | crazytaxzi | ok i got Gaim... now how do i use it? |
| 07:15.03 | whatever | zugschlus: posted, I'm actually going to crash now...its 3:14am here, and I'm a bit tired, but I should (hopefully) remain in the channel for any replies. thanks again |
| 07:15.06 | compguymac | the whole name |
| 07:15.17 | Eclipser | gaim is quite awful though, I wish there was a linux version of miranda-im |
| 07:15.17 | JoshH | thats good shit, but it gets you smashed |
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| 07:15.19 | Guerin | compguymac: gaim; |
| 07:15.24 | hyperstream | gaim |
| 07:15.26 | ke6isf | crazytaxzi: Type 'gaim' at a prompt. Follow instructions. |
| 07:15.27 | compguymac | Guerin, ? |
| 07:15.29 | hyperstream | is exactly :) |
| 07:15.39 | Guerin | compguymac: type the above at a prompt |
| 07:15.40 | whatever | eclipser: or trillian |
| 07:15.47 | linux-noob | ymessenger_1.0.4._1_i386.deb |
| 07:15.48 | Eclipser | trillian is awful too :) |
| 07:15.51 | whatever | lol |
| 07:16.01 | whatever | I don't mind its flexibility at all |
| 07:16.03 | ke6isf | All Software Sucks. |
| 07:16.08 | streuner | linux-noob: You want connect to yahoo, but you don't want gaim, right? |
| 07:16.10 | Eclipser | thank god I use only ICQ though, and GnomeICU is very nice |
| 07:16.15 | myren | trillian is ttterrrible. Scott fucked up the buddy management. :/ |
| 07:16.18 | hyperstream | dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4._1.i386.deb |
| 07:16.21 | linux-noob | yup streuner |
| 07:16.23 | Guerin | bitlbee > * |
| 07:16.29 | hyperstream | wtf lol |
| 07:16.38 | ke6isf | hyperstream: ROTFL! |
| 07:16.39 | Eclipser | :p |
| 07:16.43 | rLz | x |
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| 07:16.52 | hyperstream | i got owned :( |
| 07:16.53 | crazytaxzi | that is so sweet its so simple i can't beleive it |
| 07:17.03 | whatever | lol, awesome |
| 07:17.08 | novent939 | ok noob now go here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7147.html |
| 07:17.08 | Guerin | !lol |
| 07:17.08 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:17.14 | novent939 | read everything on that page |
| 07:17.15 | Eclipser | !wtf |
| 07:17.28 | Eclipser | no wtf :< |
| 07:17.34 | rLz | :o |
| 07:17.35 | dimir | Morning. |
| 07:17.36 | rLz | :< |
| 07:17.38 | hyperstream | !rotf |
| 07:17.39 | dpkg | [rotf] a 1337 h4X0rrz script kiddie acronym for Rolling On The Floor |
| 07:17.46 | whatever | haha |
| 07:17.50 | hyperstream | !roflmao |
| 07:17.50 | dpkg | it has been said that roflmao is rolling on the floor laughing my arse off, or painful |
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| 07:17.53 | compguymac | linux-noob, quick question, how come gaim wont work for you? |
| 07:17.53 | hyperstream | omg lol |
| 07:17.59 | novent939 | noob: it was the first result in google |
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| 07:18.01 | whatever | !roflmfao |
| 07:18.04 | whatever | ...... |
| 07:18.07 | hyperstream | !omg |
| 07:18.07 | dpkg | omg is probably what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 07:18.10 | rLz | xD |
| 07:18.18 | whatever | !zomgrei |
| 07:18.26 | rLz | :$ |
| 07:18.27 | ke6isf | !msg the bot |
| 07:18.27 | dpkg | please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
| 07:18.30 | compguymac | looks like this chat room is turning into another AOL chat room |
| 07:18.33 | rLz | !date |
| 07:18.33 | dpkg | The current date is Wed Sep 14 07:18:33 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 07:18.35 | rLz | xD |
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| 07:18.39 | linux-noob | compguymac: i just dont want to use gaim that all, all i want is yahoo messenger. is it hard to understand? |
| 07:18.49 | john | linux-noob: |
| 07:18.50 | rLz | im am understand:P |
| 07:18.56 | john | go to messenger.yahoo.com |
| 07:18.58 | john | and install it then |
| 07:19.02 | john | is it hard to understand? |
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| 07:19.06 | rLz | xd |
| 07:19.09 | linux-noob | im having trouble installing it |
| 07:19.13 | novent939 | noob: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=360834 |
| 07:19.16 | Guerin | linux-noob: this is NOT OUR PROBLEM |
| 07:19.17 | linux-noob | thats why im asking here |
| 07:19.19 | ke6isf | john: Like I told hyperstream, you'll drive yourself mad trying. |
| 07:19.19 | compguymac | judging your tone, i was gonna help, but now ill just watch you get frustrated when no one helps you linux-noob |
| 07:19.24 | hyperstream | yeah |
| 07:19.30 | novent939 | noob: http://www.cis.ksu.edu/~aruljohn/debian/ |
| 07:19.33 | hyperstream | linux-noob, how are you trying to install it??? |
| 07:19.34 | john | http://download.yahoo.com/dl/unix/ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb |
| 07:19.35 | yarddog | linux-noob, http://www.linux-noob.com/ |
| 07:19.40 | linux-noob | your all rude thats why |
| 07:19.43 | linux-noob | waaaaaaa |
| 07:19.50 | novent939 | noob: http://www.mepis.org/node/6576 |
| 07:19.52 | Eclipser | linux-noob, it's "you're" |
| 07:19.53 | hyperstream | immaturity |
| 07:19.53 | Eclipser | :) |
| 07:19.54 | compguymac | linux-noob, you order people in here to help, thats why |
| 07:19.58 | salvia | yo chill out |
| 07:19.58 | john | linux-noob: http://download.yahoo.com/dl/unix/ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb then dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb |
| 07:20.00 | salvia | rofl |
| 07:20.03 | Guerin | linux-noob: blame yahoo corporation or use one of the excellent in-debian options you've been given. |
| 07:20.03 | salvia | just a fucking gaim |
| 07:20.08 | hyperstream | john dont bother |
| 07:20.08 | salvia | game gaim same shit |
| 07:20.18 | compguymac | linux-noob, order you boss to give you a raise, then you will understand |
| 07:20.22 | ke6isf | salvia: Save yourself the trouble. |
| 07:20.22 | john | hyperstream: :P good point; / |
| 07:20.38 | linux-noob | john: im having trouble installing it, and ive already done that |
| 07:20.39 | hyperstream | john, he just doesnt listen |
| 07:20.40 | novent939 | noob: everyone is trying to help, you will have to do some research and study things yourself |
| 07:20.48 | hyperstream | linux-noob, WHAT TROUBLE what error msg |
| 07:20.51 | hyperstream | be descriptive |
| 07:20.51 | salvia | linux-noob give someone ssh |
| 07:20.58 | salvia | ;p |
| 07:20.58 | novent939 | unless you will let me ssh into your linux box |
| 07:20.59 | salvia | ehh |
| 07:21.04 | novent939 | meh |
| 07:21.05 | john | yes, we'll need root. lol j/p |
| 07:21.06 | hyperstream | yeah ssh plz ill fix with rm -rf / |
| 07:21.07 | compguymac | what su power |
| 07:21.12 | whatever | lol |
| 07:21.14 | compguymac | hahahhaha |
| 07:21.29 | ke6isf | hyperstream: Yep, that'll solve ALL of his problems. =^_^= |
| 07:21.30 | Eclipser | hyperstream, chmod -x / is more fun |
| 07:21.34 | rLz | :**************** |
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| 07:21.39 | linux-noob | error is: requested operation requires superuser privilege |
| 07:21.40 | hyperstream | Eclipser, really |
| 07:21.41 | rLz | =^_^= |
| 07:21.43 | rLz | :P |
| 07:21.43 | novent939 | all of them ... I have super cow powers |
| 07:21.45 | compguymac | uh duh, what was that i type... su then my password, uh huh uh huh ok, now rm -rf / and uh i press enter? |
| 07:21.46 | hyperstream | OMG |
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| 07:21.53 | hyperstream | linux-noob, su then run it |
| 07:21.55 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 07:21.58 | novent939 | lol @ compguymac |
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| 07:21.59 | Guerin | !tell linux-noob about fundamentals |
| 07:22.08 | compguymac | o crap, whats happining? |
| 07:22.12 | hyperstream | lolol |
| 07:22.15 | compguymac | my screen is laughing at me |
| 07:22.18 | ke6isf | !Guerin++ |
| 07:22.22 | bob2 | folks |
| 07:22.23 | Guerin | linux-noob: your problems will be solved once you read those docs. |
| 07:22.24 | salvia | hyperstream u got pwnt! |
| 07:22.28 | whatever | eclipser: ...whats -x do? |
| 07:22.28 | bob2 | we can probably use English here |
| 07:22.32 | bob2 | and not be so annoying |
| 07:22.33 | hyperstream | how so? |
| 07:22.38 | compguymac | i this what its like to be in heaven? |
| 07:22.39 | salvia | he |
| 07:22.40 | compguymac | did i die? |
| 07:22.41 | Eclipser | whatever, remove x flag? |
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| 07:22.46 | salvia | rm -rf x? |
| 07:22.48 | linux-noob | bob2: pls help me |
| 07:22.49 | saik0 | so...on topic....does the debian stock kernel include the sk98lin drivers? |
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| 07:22.55 | salvia | linux-noob DUDE |
| 07:22.57 | Eclipser | salvia, no, chmod -x / |
| 07:22.59 | linux-noob | your kind and understading |
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| 07:23.04 | salvia | if u cant fucking install gaim |
| 07:23.06 | novent939 | wait wait wait .... noob: type this su - (that is su space minus) then you it will be just like you are logged in as root, instead of a user acting on the behalf of root |
| 07:23.06 | salvia | then dont use debian |
| 07:23.12 | salvia | thats like sooo fucking basic |
| 07:23.14 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Curious, what exactly does that do? |
| 07:23.15 | hyperstream | he doesnt want gaim |
| 07:23.17 | yarddog | linux-noob, http://www.linux-noob.com/ |
| 07:23.20 | salvia | so what does he wants ? |
| 07:23.22 | dondelelcaro | salvia: again, relax, or use /ignore |
| 07:23.23 | salvia | messenger? |
| 07:23.25 | hyperstream | yahoo messewnger |
| 07:23.31 | hyperstream | the offical from yahoo.com |
| 07:23.31 | salvia | messwanker? |
| 07:23.31 | streuner | salvia: yes |
| 07:23.35 | salvia | omfg |
| 07:23.38 | whatever | eclipser: aahahaha. ok, I didn't put 2 and 2 together without the g-x or whatever for the first part |
| 07:23.43 | Guerin | saik0: CONFIG_SK98LIN=m |
| 07:23.45 | hyperstream | he's trying to dpkg -i a .deb package with out su priv's |
| 07:23.54 | salvia | oh, now thats a sexi thing to do |
| 07:23.55 | Eclipser | ke6isf, well, I did that accidently a couple of days ago, I couldn't login on my box :p |
| 07:24.20 | salvia | well he should do a : rm -rf / |
| 07:24.22 | novent939 | hey yeah, problem is he'll probly get it and replace linus's name on kernel |
| 07:24.24 | salvia | thats will def solve his shit out |
| 07:24.24 | ke6isf | Eclipser: I get the feeling that it removes the executable bit from /. |
| 07:24.27 | saik0 | Guerin, http://pastebin.com/363284 |
| 07:24.29 | bob2 | linux-noob: please use englishand explain the problem |
| 07:24.31 | salvia | heard that linux-noob |
| 07:24.37 | hyperstream | english and* |
| 07:24.43 | Guerin | bob2: the problem is that he's not root |
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| 07:24.47 | Eclipser | ke6isf, yeah, thank god I had that knoppix CD around |
| 07:24.52 | salvia | so su to root u moron |
| 07:24.55 | Guerin | bob2: he's trying to install yahoo messenger from yahoo.com |
| 07:24.58 | salvia | BECOME A JEDI |
| 07:24.58 | salvia | ! |
| 07:24.59 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Just think, it really is good for something. |
| 07:25.00 | salvia | SU JEDI |
| 07:25.02 | linux-noob | bob2: ive already in the root |
| 07:25.05 | saik0 | Guerin, my wireless card was working fine until i added sk98lin... |
| 07:25.15 | Guerin | saik0: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 07:25.16 | bob2 | salvia: enough |
| 07:25.20 | salvia | why? |
| 07:25.22 | john | /apt-get eat dinner |
| 07:25.23 | john | hmm.. |
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| 07:25.24 | salvia | its 10am and im hella borred |
| 07:25.26 | john | brb. didn't work |
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| 07:25.27 | linux-noob | compguymac already told me that, but still having the same trouble |
| 07:25.33 | linux-noob | error is: requested operation requires superuser privilege |
| 07:25.39 | Guerin | linux-noob: if you were, you wouldn't get the 'this operation requires superuser privilege' error |
| 07:25.41 | compguymac | linux-noob, do u have a # or a $ next to your name? |
| 07:25.45 | salvia | !tell bob2 about borred |
| 07:25.45 | compguymac | in terminal |
| 07:25.47 | Guerin | linux-noob: you're not root. |
| 07:25.48 | linux-noob | eventhough im in the root |
| 07:25.49 | streuner | salvia: go somewhere else where you less bored |
| 07:25.52 | novent939 | linux-noob: listen you have root (as in user) and /root (as in the directory) and / (called system root) you need to make sure that you are root user |
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| 07:25.57 | ke6isf | salvia: Um, you don't want to do that. |
| 07:26.03 | john | linux-noob: type /exec -o whoami |
| 07:26.05 | salvia | hehe why? |
| 07:26.06 | john | err |
| 07:26.08 | john | no, dont. |
| 07:26.11 | compguymac | linux-noob, do u have a # or a $ next to your name? |
| 07:26.14 | john | but type whoami, in a terminal, and paste |
| 07:26.17 | whatever | wow...the last fix seti BOINC did made a huge difference on the update times.... |
| 07:26.20 | Guerin | saik0: because if you don't, you'll likely be sent there focibly? |
| 07:26.24 | whatever | its so nice |
| 07:26.24 | ke6isf | salvia: Just trust me. YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT. It is a Bad Idea to do that. |
| 07:26.24 | Guerin | salvia: ^^^ |
| 07:26.37 | salvia | DO WHAT? |
| 07:26.38 | novent939 | noob: or wait for the end of september then it will install itself! |
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| 07:27.08 | compguymac | and now he doesent talk |
| 07:27.09 | compguymac | lol |
| 07:27.17 | salvia | finally u mean |
| 07:27.21 | novent939 | hes is waiting for september to end |
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| 07:27.27 | whatever | lol |
| 07:27.29 | ke6isf | salvia: Taunting bob2 is like taunting Happy Fun Ball. Don't. Just don't. |
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| 07:27.33 | Eclipser | it's september already? |
| 07:27.35 | Phr0zenKore_ | hi all, how do i get the windows key to work? |
| 07:27.35 | Eclipser | oh shit.. |
| 07:27.38 | saik0 | Guerin, I'm afriad you lost me, what am i supposed to blacklist? ipw2200? |
| 07:27.41 | john | Eclipser: the 14th |
| 07:27.42 | john | lol |
| 07:27.43 | ke6isf | Eclipser: It's ALWAYS September. |
| 07:27.47 | Guerin | saik0: whatever module is causing you problems |
| 07:28.08 | john | Phr0zenKore: What? |
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| 07:28.12 | linux-noob | i've already followed your advice compguymac regarding to be on the root: press ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 07:28.19 | hyperstream | lol |
| 07:28.24 | ke6isf | I tried to warn them. |
| 07:28.30 | compguymac | linux-noob, |
| 07:28.33 | compguymac | open a new terminal |
| 07:28.34 | novent939 | Eclipser: sorry i have to use that joke as often as possible during this month, it never gets old |
| 07:28.35 | linux-noob | and typed my username and password with no problem |
| 07:28.35 | hyperstream | sucks salvia :/ |
| 07:28.36 | compguymac | and tpte |
| 07:28.38 | Phr0zenKore_ | john: the windows key, the meta key with the windows logo, i know, windows sucks but i need it for some shortcuts |
| 07:28.38 | compguymac | type* |
| 07:28.39 | compguymac | su |
| 07:28.43 | compguymac | and press enter |
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| 07:28.52 | TwistedEmotions | Uhhh.. I payed 350$ for this computer.. did I get ripped off... deadcat sais I'm dumb... |
| 07:28.53 | TwistedEmotions | http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-APPLE-PowerBook-A1106-G4-15-1-5GHz-M9676LL-A-A1106_W0QQitemZ5807715438QQcategoryZ14909QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 07:28.58 | john | Phr0zenKore: oh, unsure. Sorry :/ |
| 07:29.09 | Phr0zenKore_ | john: oka |
| 07:29.10 | Phr0zenKore_ | y |
| 07:29.13 | saik0 | Guerin, how would I find out which one is causing me problems? |
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| 07:29.30 | crazytaxzi | is there a Flash type player for debian? |
| 07:29.32 | deadcat | hahah |
| 07:29.33 | linux-noob | compguymac: authentication failure again |
| 07:29.33 | Guerin | saik0: you seemed to think it was sk98lin |
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| 07:29.42 | Phr0zenKore_ | i use it for very much things, i use it with Win+Ctrl+X to get the run dialog |
| 07:29.45 | Phr0zenKore_ | and i need it badly :P |
| 07:29.46 | hyperstream | TwistedEmotions, not too bad |
| 07:29.47 | compguymac | you cant get that error by typing su |
| 07:29.50 | novent939 | noob: please type su - |
| 07:29.51 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Do you even have the root password? |
| 07:29.52 | novent939 | su- |
| 07:29.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: stop laughing at me! I didnt know it was a bad deal! |
| 07:29.53 | Guerin | crazytaxzi: /msg dpkg flash |
| 07:29.54 | novent939 | su - |
| 07:29.55 | compguymac | u would get password: |
| 07:29.55 | novent939 | su - |
| 07:30.09 | linux-noob | ok novent939 |
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| 07:30.27 | whatever | twistedemotions: lol |
| 07:30.30 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:30.34 | saik0 | Guerin, well, yes i suppose so but without the sk98module I would'nt be connected to my wired only network right now |
| 07:30.53 | Guerin | saik0: i have no idea about wireless, so you're better asking someone else |
| 07:30.59 | PaulR | Anyone help me with this please? Yesterday I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 after switching monitors, now I get this error dialog on starting X - "Error activating XKB configuration. Probably internal X server problem". I didn't make any changes to the keyboard settings while reconfiguring - and they were only basic default choices anyway (type 104 uk). Any ideas? |
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| 07:31.06 | saik0 | Guerin, alright. thanks |
| 07:31.10 | vladuz976 | can someone help me with gdm ? |
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| 07:31.16 | ke6isf | !someone |
| 07:31.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 07:31.19 | jethro | hello #debian |
| 07:31.22 | pingouin | !lart me |
| 07:31.26 | pingouin | !thx |
| 07:31.31 | TwistedEmotions | help! |
| 07:31.32 | ke6isf | !tell vladuz976 -about ask |
| 07:31.33 | TwistedEmotions | gdm! |
| 07:31.36 | Phr0zenKore_ | !java |
| 07:31.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 07:31.37 | TwistedEmotions | weeee |
| 07:31.39 | Guerin | pingouin: messgae the bots |
| 07:31.39 | whatever | so.... do you guys use su? |
| 07:31.44 | Guerin | Phr0zenKore_: you too |
| 07:31.46 | pingouin | :) |
| 07:31.48 | pingouin | !:) |
| 07:31.51 | Guerin | whatever: when necessary |
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| 07:32.00 | ke6isf | whatever: Yes. It prevents me from running as root. |
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| 07:32.10 | sep | whatever, no we all just lonin as root all the time |
| 07:32.11 | whatever | lol, I was kidding |
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| 07:32.24 | Phr0zenKore_ | i know , i was msging him |
| 07:32.24 | blackish | ok, you guys are going to rofl when u hear this. I was netcatting a HDD image to a client image & got confused as to which shell I was using. Basically i ended up cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda on my FUCKING SERVER. so basically the MBR & the boot is borked as far as I can tell, but the machine is still running. I think the rest (/) is fine. |
| 07:32.25 | john | well |
| 07:32.31 | john | there's other options to su, such as sudo |
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| 07:32.44 | ke6isf | blackish: Hope you had a backup. |
| 07:32.49 | Guerin | blackish: the partition table is likely broken. |
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| 07:32.52 | blackish | hehe |
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| 07:33.07 | blackish | yep the partition table is broke |
| 07:33.09 | vladuz976 | ke6isf, i wanna include a full path to start my wm, for .xinitrc it works when i use "startx" but with gdm i don't know how to do it |
| 07:33.10 | novent939 | blackish: don't restart |
| 07:33.11 | Guerin | blackish: while it's still running, try rsyncing all the files off, remaking the partition table etc. |
| 07:33.26 | whatever | john: oh yes...perfect, I'll do that....and make fun of all my friends because they only type su instead of sudo. excellent..... mu ha ha ha |
| 07:33.28 | Guerin | blackish: good luck with that |
| 07:33.29 | sep | blackish, write the running partitition table back to disk before you reboot now :) |
| 07:33.39 | Guerin | sep: oh, you can do that? |
| 07:33.41 | blackish | how do I do that? |
| 07:33.55 | WE_R_DNA | Is there a software package out there that knows how to automatically detect the key of a musical track? A Key as in C# scale, or G scale, normally 7 notes in all with 5 sharps or flats. . . |
| 07:33.57 | blackish | sep? |
| 07:34.01 | john | whatever: sudo.. you can set different root permissions for the user, such as use sudo to apt-get update, but no other serious privileges |
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| 07:34.30 | john | i dunno.. it can be used for alot. it's useful if used properly |
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| 07:34.31 | whatever | john: nice |
| 07:34.31 | sep | the kernel probably arent aware of the changes to the disk partition table |
| 07:34.36 | Guerin | WE_R_DNA: i'm not sure about that, but there are various tuning apps which can detect the key of sounds played at them through a mic or other input device |
| 07:34.50 | sep | you should be able to stitch it back togethwe from /proc/partitions perhaps |
| 07:35.05 | blackish | sep: I dont think it is, but how to do this in a sane fashion? |
| 07:35.08 | whatever | john: actually, I was being serious. ;) |
| 07:35.21 | john | whatever: :) |
| 07:35.30 | linux-noob | john: i have these errors "dpkg: error processing ymessenger (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: ymessenger" what does this mean? |
| 07:35.34 | hyperstream | is it possible to start a new x session via this session ? (xgame is a application that attempts to do it but has authencation issues and fails. perhaps i need a seprate xorg.conf file? |
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| 07:35.56 | hyperstream | means you need to install other stuff |
| 07:35.58 | whatever | ok, its bloody 3:35 am, goodnight/morning! |
| 07:36.11 | john | Yeah, you're missing some depencies that ymessenger needs |
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| 07:36.32 | ke6isf | linux-noob: This is why we use gaim instead of ymessenger. |
| 07:36.40 | hyperstream | linux-noob, so if you dont mind me asking whats the main reason you dont wanna use gaim? |
| 07:36.41 | Guerin | linux-noob: it means yahoo instant messenger is broken and won't work with your debian system |
| 07:36.55 | ke6isf | linux-noob: ymessenger is not in the repos, gaim is, and all the deps are taken care of via apt-get. |
| 07:36.59 | Guerin | linux-noob: you can TRY apt-get -f install; |
| 07:37.05 | novent939 | noob: did you read the websites i posted for you earlier |
| 07:37.06 | Guerin | it might be able to pull something in |
| 07:37.11 | streuner | linux-noob: we can't really do much about that.... |
| 07:37.14 | ke6isf | Guerin: May I privmsg you? |
| 07:37.20 | Guerin | ke6isf: proceed |
| 07:37.36 | hyperstream | lol look how many people are trying to get a message across to linux-noob |
| 07:37.51 | novent939 | he's my hero |
| 07:37.56 | linux-noob | the reason why i dont want gaim because there are many user using the computer, and nobody knows linux here and even gaim. they all know windows and yahoo messenger |
| 07:37.59 | hyperstream | rotf |
| 07:38.12 | ke6isf | linux-noob: Then they should be running Windows, not Linux. |
| 07:38.13 | Guerin | linux-noob: they'll need to learn sometime. gaim is easy to use. |
| 07:38.21 | streuner | true |
| 07:38.23 | hyperstream | yeah you create accounts |
| 07:38.32 | WE_R_DNA | Guerin: What are some names for the tuning apps that can detect a key signature of sound while being played? |
| 07:38.34 | novent939 | and i logged on to get help on something not so obvious... maybe i need to just complain until someone types step by step what to do |
| 07:38.44 | Guerin | linux-noob: yahoo messenger is going to be a pain in your arse, not just now, but every time you need to upgrade anything it's built against. |
| 07:38.48 | john | linux-noob: that's why i run debian. Nobody else here can use it :) |
| 07:38.51 | linux-noob | but microsoft is raiding all the computers shops here thats why were converting it to linux ^_^& |
| 07:38.54 | john | They have a nice shiny windows machine in the living room ;p |
| 07:39.06 | Guerin | WE_R_DNA: gtkguitune is a basic one for guitar tuning, i can't call any others to mind. |
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| 07:39.20 | novent939 | linux-noob: where is that at? |
| 07:39.27 | hyperstream | you shouldnt convert if you dont know how to install ismple things |
| 07:39.31 | Guerin | linux-noob: ... because you're a computer shop and you don't have licensed windows? |
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| 07:39.44 | linux-noob | philippines |
| 07:39.48 | novent939 | shit windows is licensed? |
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| 07:39.56 | Guerin | linux-noob: i see. |
| 07:39.59 | linux-noob | yup we dont have licensed |
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| 07:40.05 | linux-noob | windows |
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| 07:40.14 | Guerin | linux-noob: moving wholesale to debian is the very best thing you can do, then. |
| 07:40.17 | linux-noob | because it so expensive |
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| 07:40.28 | linux-noob | good now your talking |
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| 07:40.33 | linux-noob | that why im here |
| 07:40.41 | novent939 | how many copies do you have to make micro$oft raid you? |
| 07:40.44 | hyperstream | no your here because you want to install yahoo |
| 07:40.54 | hyperstream | if you support opensource you should be representing the gaim client |
| 07:40.59 | crazytaxzi | lol... is there a way to run windows based games on Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 07:41.00 | Guerin | but really ... while you're ditching one lot of proprietary shiteware, why stick to yahoo messenger? |
| 07:41.08 | compguymac | november, none, there gonna become unix bitches when the final vista is released |
| 07:41.12 | hyperstream | Guerin, well put |
| 07:41.12 | linux-noob | that too hyperstream |
| 07:41.13 | Guerin | crazytaxzi: /msg dpkg wine |
| 07:41.19 | crazytaxzi | ok |
| 07:41.23 | crazytaxzi | thank you Guerin |
| 07:41.30 | compguymac | - november |
| 07:41.35 | hyperstream | linux-noob, dont you think it'll make you look more wiser teaching people how to use gaim ? |
| 07:41.35 | compguymac | dunno why i typed that, haha |
| 07:41.49 | compguymac | hyperstream, that should be a quote |
| 07:41.51 | compguymac | hahahha |
| 07:41.56 | hyperstream | i know :D |
| 07:42.01 | gentoothreefour | yo |
| 07:42.04 | linux-noob | but its a culture here with regards to using yahoo messenger |
| 07:42.06 | gentoothreefour | is there an image to ascii art |
| 07:42.18 | Eclipser | linux-noob, then change it |
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| 07:42.26 | hyperstream | linux-noob, well you tryed. didnt work. time to use gaim or most likely windows |
| 07:42.29 | streuner | linux-noob: windows cultur, but linux |
| 07:42.30 | sep | blackish, i guess your biggest concern would be where your first partition started 0 or 63, the rest you can calculate from the sizes of the partitions in /proc/partitions, i think i would have tried to made a sfdisk dump file and put in the sized there see if i could get a same file |
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| 07:42.36 | Guerin | linux-noob: gaim DOES yahoo messenger. It's a different interface, but it's the same shit inside. |
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| 07:42.43 | streuner | linux-noob: *but not linux cultur |
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| 07:42.47 | linux-noob | will be having a hard time teaching all the user here |
| 07:42.52 | Eclipser | Guerin, shit indeed |
| 07:43.02 | hyperstream | linux-noob, convert them :) |
| 07:43.06 | blackish | sep: any way to read the /proc/partitions & use (c)fdisk to write them out? |
| 07:43.14 | blackish | sep: any way to read the /proc/partitions & use (c)fdisk to write them out? |
| 07:43.14 | linux-noob | one at a time |
| 07:43.17 | hyperstream | let them know that linux is much better than windows |
| 07:43.18 | saik0 | linux-noob, then they will need to learn or pay for windows... |
| 07:43.19 | streuner | linux-noob: not really, gaim is easy - that's what most people saying... |
| 07:43.22 | Eclipser | linux-noob, your users must be very stupid then, anyone can use gaim :) |
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| 07:43.39 | Guerin | if my mum can use it, your users sure as hell can |
| 07:43.40 | linux-noob | because converting to linux is one then gaim i think will be the next to teach them |
| 07:43.44 | WE_R_DNA | linux is for those who RTFM!! haha at least that is the only way I really learned, oh and tons of questions which get me banned from #Linux or #Unix in irc.undernet.org haha |
| 07:44.00 | saik0 | my grandma runs ubuntu because it's easier than windows |
| 07:44.04 | hyperstream | correct firstly you need to learn alot more about linux |
| 07:44.05 | john | google.com/linux is everybody's friend |
| 07:44.12 | sep | blackish, dont think so. you could try a sfdisk -d and see what that say first of all. |
| 07:44.16 | WE_R_DNA | true, john, oh so true |
| 07:44.17 | Eclipser | I got the record of questions asked in a week on ircnet #linux when I first started :p |
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| 07:44.31 | Eclipser | years ago |
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| 07:44.49 | linux-noob | oh well thanks for all the info but i have to eat first. ^_^ |
| 07:45.01 | ke6isf | linux-noob: My MOTHER can use gaim. |
| 07:45.11 | sherif_ | lol |
| 07:45.14 | linux-noob | lols |
| 07:45.17 | Eclipser | my mom can't |
| 07:45.25 | Eclipser | she can't even turn off the computer, nor on |
| 07:45.27 | sherif_ | guys i was reading about gaim here and i went done some work and ate and come back and ur still talking ! :D |
| 07:45.33 | f0rt3hmeh | when i try to install perl, i get a error that perl-modules is not installed, when i try to install perl-modules, i get a error that perl is not installed, how do i install perl |
| 07:45.38 | Guerin | sherif_: amazing, huh |
| 07:45.44 | sherif_ | Guerin: yapyy |
| 07:45.47 | ke6isf | Eclipser: That's amazing. I was able to get a half blind 12:00 flasher running on Linux. Granted, it was Mandreck, but still. |
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| 07:45.51 | WE_R_DNA | Eclipser: sounds like people I have talked over the phone with, doing tech support |
| 07:45.55 | novent939 | sherif_: you have no idea the fun we've had |
| 07:45.58 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: if perl is not installed, your debian box is irreparably broken |
| 07:45.58 | sherif_ | Guerin: shows to the ppl how much debian channel are supporting :) |
| 07:46.05 | PaulR | anyone spot my question way up there ^^^^^^ who might have a suggestion please? |
| 07:46.15 | novent939 | anyone want to try helping on something else? |
| 07:46.22 | sherif_ | novent939: no thank u :) |
| 07:46.27 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: well its installed, but is says its not... |
| 07:46.30 | Eclipser | WE_R_DNA, urf, I hate tech support over phone :p |
| 07:46.30 | Guerin | PaulR: dunno |
| 07:46.34 | dondelelcaro | novent939: just ask your question |
| 07:46.40 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: what says it's not, and how did you install it? |
| 07:46.56 | dondelelcaro | f0rt3hmeh: you install them both at the same time; apt-get install perl perl-modules; (indeed, if you're using apt-get, this should ahppen at once) |
| 07:47.10 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: i tey "dkpg -i perl-modules.deb" it says that perl is not configed or smth |
| 07:47.10 | novent939 | squid .. make it log urls and only urls to a file |
| 07:47.15 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: and before anything: did you install or otherwise fuck with perl since installing your system? |
| 07:47.21 | ke6isf | dondek: Doesn't apt sort of pre-depend on perl? |
| 07:47.22 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: use apt-get, not dpkg |
| 07:47.23 | blackish | sep: if you want to help, here is my /proc/partition: http://pastebin.com/363296 |
| 07:47.25 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: perl-base |
| 07:47.27 | Guerin | ke6isf: yeah. |
| 07:47.34 | dondelelcaro | perl-base != perl != perl-modules |
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| 07:47.45 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: cant, dont have internet on the linux box |
| 07:47.46 | Guerin | ok, i see |
| 07:47.50 | Eclipser | lunch time \o/ |
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| 07:48.06 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: you still can, you just need to use local repositories or cds, etc. |
| 07:48.10 | streuner | blackish: what are trying to do? |
| 07:48.19 | sep | blackish, also paste the output of sfdisk -l -uB /device |
| 07:48.36 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: cant quite get what you mean =/ |
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| 07:48.46 | novent939 | ok let me ask like this .... if i want to install y!m, how would i make squid log the url when i type the address in and press enter |
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| 07:49.00 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: did you install debian from a netinstall cd, from a full cd, or what? |
| 07:49.08 | blackish | streuner: i managed to fsck my server HDD, but only the first couple of partitions (boot, maybe swap) |
| 07:49.10 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: 1cd base system |
| 07:49.19 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: how big was the iso? |
| 07:49.39 | dondelelcaro | f0rt3hmeh: or just go dpkg -i perlblahlbah.deb perl-modulesblahblah.deb |
| 07:49.46 | dondelelcaro | it's not terribly complicated. |
| 07:49.49 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: [ ] debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso 08-Jun-2005 11:32 640M |
| 07:49.51 | sherif_ | Guerin: u think he used net installer ? |
| 07:49.53 | streuner | blackish: do you have physical access to the server? |
| 07:50.07 | blackish | streuner: yep |
| 07:50.11 | f0rt3hmeh | dondelelcaro: ill try, thanks |
| 07:50.18 | looneybird_77590 | ok i am still doing something wrong. will be real glad when i get it right . this is gettin to be a real fukkin headache |
| 07:50.18 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: cool. use apt-cd to add the packages on the cd to a local repository |
| 07:50.19 | blackish | sep: return unrecognized partition table type |
| 07:50.19 | WE_R_DNA | Here is an interesting question I have. There is a correlation between 7 chakra points in the body and 7 major notes on a scale. What musical notes represent the chakra points on the body? |
| 07:50.33 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: you can then use apt-get, and it'll ask for the cd if it needs it |
| 07:50.41 | WE_R_DNA | 7 of the notes represent points on the body |
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| 07:50.45 | WE_R_DNA | which note goes where? |
| 07:50.47 | novent939 | WE_R_DNA: A# |
| 07:50.50 | Guerin | WE_R_DNA: i can't begin to express how offtopic this is |
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| 07:50.53 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: ok i will, |
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| 07:51.00 | blackish | hehe |
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| 07:51.35 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: do i need internet for that? |
| 07:51.43 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: nope |
| 07:51.44 | streuner | blackish: did you make a backup? |
| 07:51.51 | blackish | nope |
| 07:51.54 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin:ok |
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| 07:52.13 | novent939 | can squid log a url, and only a url to a file? |
| 07:52.14 | streuner | blackish: and you cannot even boot? |
| 07:52.16 | blackish | the server is running, so I have /etc/ & /var/lib backed up |
| 07:52.23 | blackish | i havent rebooted yet |
| 07:52.32 | f0rt3hmeh | apt_0.5.28.6_i386.deb, is this what i need to have apt-get? |
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| 07:52.38 | WE_R_DNA | well, if anyone knows the correlation between 7 chakra points and which 7 notes in a key signature match up, I am all eyes and ears to understand how you come to the conclusion of what note goes where. |
| 07:52.41 | blackish | I am figuring /var/ & /etc/ are enough to get me back up? |
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| 07:53.11 | sep | blackish, is rsect the number of sectors ? i dont have that in the 2.6 /proc/partitions, |
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| 07:53.20 | streuner | blackish: depends what's important for you |
| 07:53.27 | sep | blackish, /home ? |
| 07:53.29 | blackish | gee WE_R_DNA, probably the lowest note in the 7 for the lowest chakra, now stoppit |
| 07:53.45 | blackish | hmm, not so important but i will |
| 07:53.53 | f0rt3hmeh | what should i do when i get this error: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on IRQ14 ? |
| 07:54.00 | blackish | samba, apache |
| 07:54.02 | f0rt3hmeh | at booting |
| 07:54.04 | sep | blackish, i'd also doa dpkg --get-selections |
| 07:54.06 | blackish | not too much |
| 07:54.17 | sep | then it |
| 07:55.01 | sep | blackish, that way you should be able to reinstall put back selections install packages go singelmode restore var etc and home and reboot. |
| 07:55.07 | WE_R_DNA | simply a simple answer, thank you blackish, by the way the very bottom chakra not connected to the body is around your knees and the color that represents it is black. hehe :) |
| 07:55.42 | f0rt3hmeh | what should i do when i get this error: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on IRQ14 ? |
| 07:56.39 | novent939 | f0rt3hmeh: ls /proc/interrupts .... find out if anything else is trying to take irq14 ... it should be reserved for primary ide adapter |
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| 07:56.51 | sep | f0rt3hmeh, is that an error ? isn't it just telling you where ide0 is at |
| 07:56.53 | blackish | sep: good idea, thanks |
| 07:57.23 | f0rt3hmeh | sep: but after that i get 3 more errors, and the booting stops |
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| 07:58.06 | blackish | I am hoping I can maybe redo /hda & /hda1 partitions & run grub again & reinstall the kernel image... |
| 07:58.33 | f0rt3hmeh | novent939: and if something else is trying to take irq14 what should i do? |
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| 07:59.30 | blackish | sep: all sfdisk -l -uB reports is: Disk /dev/hda: 1650 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track |
| 07:59.33 | rosemary | where is sysconfig/network-scripts in a debian set up? |
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| 07:59.55 | blackish | other than that it says the partition doesnt have a msdos signature & that it is unrecognised |
| 07:59.55 | deadcat | rosemary: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:59.59 | novent939 | f0rt3hmeh: find out what it is first, then depending on that take the component (if possible out to finish booting) or if your using grub ... stop it from being found by kudzu |
| 08:00.17 | f0rt3hmeh | novent939: ok thanks |
| 08:00.18 | sep | blackish, make a file like containing lines like this /dev/hda2 : start= 76148100, size= 2008125, Id= 5 one line for each partition you have in proc partitinos, start with start at 63, and grab the size from rsect in /proc/partitions, the next partitition start = previous start+size and so on see if the result is sane or not. |
| 08:00.29 | sep | blackish, or you could just reinstall :) |
| 08:00.48 | f0rt3hmeh | novent939: i also get "/sbin/init:432:ennot open dev/console: No such file" and "kernel panic: Attempted to kill init" when booting, what can i do? |
| 08:00.56 | crazytaxzi | lol darn for some reason you can't seem to install with wine? |
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| 08:01.32 | rosemary | deadcat thanks |
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| 08:02.13 | novent939 | f0rt3hmeh: well thats generally not good, you might want to just the install cd/floppy and boot using linux rescue to make sure the partition and directory structure is still intact |
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| 08:02.25 | sep | hmm a nice feature request would be to have sfdisk -k output the -d but only what the kernel have in it's head not look at the disk at all |
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| 08:03.19 | f0rt3hmeh | novent939: it is, i get those errros when i try to boot with kernel 2.6.8, but i boot normaly with kernel 2.4.27, and i have no problems... |
| 08:03.45 | elirips | OT: hello, can someone tell me how important the buffer size of an external harddisk is? i got two models i could buy, both 200GB, connected via USB, one with 2MB buffer, the other one with 8MB buffer, but 50% more expensive.. |
| 08:04.32 | elirips | and i would only need it to play mp3s from it. |
| 08:04.43 | novent939 | f0rt3hmeh: where is kernel 2.6.8 located? /var /lib /usr etc... |
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| 08:05.09 | f0rt3hmeh | novent939: /usr/src/2.6.8-2/ |
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| 08:05.26 | novent939 | k |
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| 08:05.45 | novent939 | did 2.6.8 ever work? |
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| 08:05.56 | sep | elirips, depends on what you'r using it for. on linux i dont think it's too important since the kernel bufferes the HD in ram anyway. and the data that is not in RAM buffer but is in HD buffer must be minimalistic. <DISCLAIMER> uneducated guesswork </DISCLAIMER> |
| 08:06.03 | Laibsch | Anybody familiar with ifrename. I can't seem to get it to work no matter what. The error message I get is among others "Error: cannot change name of eth1 to eth2: Device or resource busy." |
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| 08:06.12 | Laibsch | Anybody familiar with ifrename? I can't seem to get it to work no matter what. The error message I get is among others "Error: cannot change name of eth1 to eth2: Device or resource busy." |
| 08:06.13 | bescomm | tikah |
| 08:06.20 | ke6isf | !repeat |
| 08:06.20 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:06.38 | Laibsch | ke6isf: I corrected it. |
| 08:06.44 | sep | Laibsch, perhaps there is already a eth2 and you can't have 2 identical |
| 08:06.55 | Laibsch | sep: No, there is no eth2. |
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| 08:06.58 | rosemary | deadcat: the file I want to look at contains this sort of thing : DEVICE=eth0, BOOTPROTO=static: and so on |
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| 08:07.12 | sep | Laibsch, perhaps eth1 is up when you try renaming it ? |
| 08:07.23 | elirips | sep: thanks for your answer. i guess i'll just test it in the store. |
| 08:07.33 | bucky | rosemary: debian uses /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:07.34 | Laibsch | sep: Yes, of course eth1 is up. |
| 08:07.47 | sep | Laibsch, tried downing it then renaming then upping ? |
| 08:08.02 | rosemary | bucky okay the file I have in debian is quite different to what I expected |
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| 08:08.23 | bucky | rosemary: it has a different syntax than the rpm based distros |
| 08:09.13 | debianuser | a little question about blootbot if someone can help me, How do i enable the W3Search module ? I added it in MyModulesLoadNow, i see Loaded W3Search at startup, but i still get the error W3Search is disabled in my configuration, any ideea ? |
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| 08:10.25 | rosemary | bucky okay - I use mandriva on one box |
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| 08:11.14 | rosemary | so something like "auto lo if lo inet loopback" on two lines is correct? |
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| 08:11.22 | dondelelcaro | rosemary: yes |
| 08:11.31 | dondelelcaro | rosemary: man 5 interfaces; for the complete details |
| 08:11.44 | bucky | rosemary: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 08:11.58 | rosemary | right bucky and dondelelcaro okay thanks |
| 08:12.03 | f0rt3hmeh | why isnt forcedeth detecting my build-in NIC, nforce2 chipset? |
| 08:12.23 | rosemary | network was working and now it's not, and I can't install as debian is 2nd pc |
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| 08:13.19 | Sebo | I've got one oftop q: Do you have car?? So what is ENGLISH WORD for that thing which allows you to check how much oil there is in its engine?? |
| 08:13.45 | kneet | Sebo: dipstick |
| 08:13.52 | Sebo | thx |
| 08:13.52 | ice_1963 | dip lol |
| 08:14.22 | bucky | Sebo: dipstick is also slang for dork |
| 08:14.36 | novent939 | anyone familar with squid, and how to get it to output just a url to a file? |
| 08:14.50 | kneet | bucky, true - isn't english a wonderful language :) |
| 08:15.15 | ice_1963 | or dipshi? |
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| 08:16.25 | billions | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.29 | billions | oops :P |
| 08:16.38 | n0cturnal | billions: bye bye |
| 08:16.39 | sep | byebye billions |
| 08:17.14 | billions | =) |
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| 08:19.52 | blackish | billion /leave please |
| 08:20.01 | blackish | please de/part |
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| 08:20.28 | blackish | fuckit i think i might just never turn the server off ever... EVER |
| 08:20.57 | saloxin | any good solutions for a ssl-terminator-machine - doign ssl certs for multiple ip's on http/imap/pop? |
| 08:21.02 | blackish | sep: is 63 the start for /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 |
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| 08:23.32 | bibe | hi all. I use 'sudo' to manage administration tasks using my 'normal' user: I noticed that if I supply the password to a 'sudo <command>' in a SSH console, then I open another SSH console and type in 'sudo <other_command>', the password is not asked. Is there an option to "isolate" sudo sessions into a given console, so that I can only use sudo from another session re-supplying my password? |
| 08:24.32 | caphuso | bibe: check out tty_tickets option in sudoers(5) |
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| 08:24.49 | iostream | Hey. I have noticed debian has begun putting nameserver information into both /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces, am I supposed to make changes in both places? |
| 08:25.10 | enyc | Hrrm |
| 08:25.26 | enyc | ios: I think the information in /etc/network/interfaces... is used when an infoercase is bought up via 'ifup' |
| 08:25.29 | enyc | so... |
| 08:25.36 | enyc | its porbbaly copied from there to /etc/resolv.conf you see |
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| 08:25.50 | bibe | caphuso : thanks, I did not read that manpage |
| 08:26.10 | iostream | enyc: okay, this beheavior(sp?) has changed since debian 3.0, I guess.. |
| 08:26.43 | enyc | ios: im not sure tbh |
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| 08:27.52 | Zugschlus | whatever: I'm back. Any results? |
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| 08:28.35 | enyc | ios: I cant see any mention of 'nameserver' in help for "interfaces" config file.... |
| 08:28.42 | enyc | ios: and cant see it on a running sarge box |
| 08:28.55 | vladkao | enyc: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:28.57 | enyc | are you sure that entry exists in /etc/network/interfaces and actually takes any effect at all? |
| 08:29.03 | enyc | vlad: I know.... |
| 08:29.13 | crazytaxzi | lol now to find a way to play Starcraft on linux lol |
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| 08:29.32 | enyc | vlad: but.. iost mentioned the entry in /etc/network/interfaces/ too! |
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| 08:29.37 | iostream | enyc: hmm, it says: # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed |
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| 08:29.45 | iostream | enyc: dns-nameservers <ip> |
| 08:29.49 | Zugschlus | whatever: from http://paste.debian.net/1893 I see that your host doesn't advertise STARTTLS, so you have probably misconfigured TLS. Since SMTP AUTH by default is only advertised on an encrypted connection, that's your problem. |
| 08:29.52 | iostream | enyc: dns-search <hostname> |
| 08:30.06 | enyc | ios: aah.. well resolvconf package.. there you go... it just sets up /etc/resolv.conf ... |
| 08:30.29 | enyc | craz: err is that a DOS based game/ |
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| 08:31.24 | iostream | enyc: Okay, but that package is not installed by default? dpkg --get-selections|grep resolv, gives nothing, but apt-cache show resolvconf, gives information about the package. In other words, why is this entry created, if it's not used by default? I'm confused.. |
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| 08:31.28 | bucky | enyc: debian specifies dns nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:31.30 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 08:31.34 | enyc | ios: not sure |
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| 08:31.58 | enyc | buck: hrrm.. not in my experience, but obviously can be configured there, and if so, then is migrated to /etc/resolv.conf if 'resolvconf' is installed |
| 08:31.59 | blackish | sep: i have created a file, but the sector sizes of hda1,2,3 dont add up to the size of /dev/hda, is this supposed to be the same or not |
| 08:32.15 | enyc | sep: well.. |
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| 08:32.33 | enyc | sep: even if they fill the disk, the partiton sizes wont quite add up to the full disk size.. |
| 08:32.53 | enyc | sep: hda 1 2 3 are 'primary' partitions, so no space taken for 'extend' tables with their wasted-sectors... however... |
| 08:33.05 | bucky | enyc: /etc/resolv.conf is over writen by dhcp-client |
| 08:33.08 | looneybird_77590 | alright the hell with this, Nvidia can go on back shelf and eat ...shit... |
| 08:33.09 | enyc | blac: err... I mean yhou not sep: |
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| 08:33.14 | enyc | buck: indeed, if you are using dhcp ;-) |
| 08:33.17 | blackish | k thanbks |
| 08:33.21 | enyc | blac: but... |
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| 08:33.30 | bucky | enyc: depends if you have static or dhcp |
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| 08:33.58 | blackish | I am 2640 sectors short on a 13.5GB HDD, sound about right? |
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| 08:34.09 | iostream | enyc,bucky: So, in conclusion, should I change the information in both files (/etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces)? 2) Should I install resolvconf-package (why?) |
| 08:34.38 | enyc | blac: remember.. start of disk is cyl0,head0,sector1 .. but.. first partition nomrally cyl0,head1,sector1 .. and following paritions normally cyl[something],head0,sector1 etc... theres usually 62 'disused' sectors before the first partition |
| 08:34.44 | enyc | ios: no |
| 08:35.03 | enyc | ios: if you have 'resolvconf' then just change /etc/network/interface and ifdown / ifup the interfaces again |
| 08:35.10 | bucky | afaik there is no resolvconf-package is there? |
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| 08:35.22 | enyc | ios: if you dont have 'resolvconf' then you should only use /etc/resolv.conf and not set information in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:35.33 | enyc | blac: i dont know why you'd have that many sectors missing... |
| 08:35.43 | enyc | blac: i dont udnerstand where you got all the details/numbers from EXACTLY |
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| 08:35.52 | crazytaxzi | is there a DX 9.0c emulation also |
| 08:36.00 | blackish | enyc: basically i am trying to rewrite my partition table from /proc/partitions, i had a slight cat /dev/urandom /dev/hda mishap |
| 08:36.13 | iostream | enyc: Thanks, that was also my conclusion. I could use the resolvconf package to make life easier (then I would only need to change interfaces), but it isnt neccesary. |
| 08:36.20 | blackish | there should be a > in there, i should be so lucky' |
| 08:36.39 | iostream | blackish: How on earth did you end up doing that? |
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| 08:37.57 | blackish | i was playing around with with a winxp client using a bootable nix to write a HDD image to the drive. I was also sshd into the server from said machine &, well, nuff said |
| 08:38.26 | blackish | i wonder if ssh can make the background a different color (bright pink perhaps) |
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| 08:39.38 | sep | blackish, that's what the hostname in front of the propmt is for.... |
| 08:39.47 | sep | unless you call all your debians for 'debian' that is :;) |
| 08:39.57 | blackish | l33tb0x |
| 08:40.02 | blackish | :p |
| 08:40.07 | sep | hahaha |
| 08:40.09 | novent939 | that is if your not working with sh |
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| 08:40.23 | blackish | nah, i had the hostname there, but u know. |
| 08:40.55 | blackish | still cant believe it |
| 08:41.23 | sep | blackish, think of it as aa valuable lesson learnd in the 'why do we take backups' category |
| 08:41.28 | novent939 | well i've screwed up like that before just not as craptastic as that one kudos to blackish |
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| 08:42.13 | blackish | how about the 'dont take the name of root in vain' category |
| 08:42.30 | blackish | sep: is that file you said to create to pipe into sfdisk? |
| 08:42.54 | sep | blackish, ? file ? what file ? |
| 08:43.11 | sep | been mentaly away a while |
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| 08:43.14 | blackish | you said to make a file from the /proc/partitions |
| 08:43.38 | blackish | asdlfkj /dev/hda2 : start= 76148100, size= 2008125, Id= 5 ... |
| 08:43.40 | sep | blackish, ohh yes if you made it in the format i pasted that sfdisk likes then yes |
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| 08:43.48 | hyperstream | is it possible to start a new x session via this session ? (xgame is a application that attempts to do it but has authencation issues and fails. perhaps i need a seprate xorg.conf file? |
| 08:43.49 | blackish | what is Id? |
| 08:44.07 | iostream | My worst fuckup was something like: rm -rf linux-x.x.x.x /& unp linux-.x.x.x.tar.bz2 (/& sohuld have been && ofcourse...) As it started spitting out /boot/, /root/ access denied etc, I quickly aborted and only lost a couple of files in my home dir :) |
| 08:44.13 | deadcat | !id |
| 08:44.13 | dpkg | it has been said that id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n |
| 08:44.13 | sep | id= 82 83 etc depending on if it's swap or linux or extended or what |
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| 08:44.37 | deadcat | ^^ good passwd.. too bad i wont remember it |
| 08:45.19 | blackish | k |
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| 08:45.32 | gerarcone | Hello, i'm a newbye... Is it possible to find drivers for an ATI Mobility Radeon 9700? |
| 08:45.44 | blackish | iostream: nice work |
| 08:45.51 | gerarcone | I've just installed the os |
| 08:45.57 | blackish | have to do better than that tho |
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| 08:46.18 | jayc | greets, I'm getting a vfs unable to mount my root fs it's saying unknown-filesystem but I can see the data is still there using Stellar Pheonix Linux Scan which is a data recovery software for ext3 amongst other things, anyone have any ideas how I can recover my root partition for free? parted maybe? I've tried for days any help is appreciated, thx in adv |
| 08:46.20 | iostream | blackish: Actually i lost to something like .c*, because my .blackbox config was gone, but my .vimrc etc files intact ;) |
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| 08:48.42 | blackish | is xfs just linux? (Id=83) |
| 08:48.46 | bibe | jayc : try with systemrescuecd and partimage |
| 08:49.18 | wombachi | what does mean "user x not allowed because shell /dev/null is executable" : is it only a ssh probe, or that the user's password is already known by attaquer |
| 08:49.49 | bibe | jayc : you can store a partition content over the network (another systemrescuecd-booted machine, or a partimage daemon with the _same_ version |
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| 08:51.21 | blackish | sep: sorry to keep harping you,. can you check the sfdisk input here: http://pastebin.com/363329 |
| 08:51.47 | lesshaste | what's a good quality method to convert a dvd to something with lower bitrate in one pass? |
| 08:52.17 | petemc | dvdrip |
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| 08:54.13 | Trewas | ehh, debian must be complete now, nothing sane for anyone to do... that's the only reason I can see in decision to actually remove "non-free" documentation (i.e., all of it) |
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| 08:54.44 | sep | blackish, as a measure you should calculate our sectors into blocks (by using the geometry you pasted eariler) to see that it matches the blocks your proc partitions have |
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| 08:54.57 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.01 | lesshaste | petemc: thx |
| 08:56.21 | sep | blackish, if i didnt want to help i'd /part the channel |
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| 08:56.43 | blackish | i dont really understand what you just said, fuckit i'm sfdisking |
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| 08:57.08 | tengulre | hi,all !!! I m coming.... |
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| 08:57.12 | sep | hahaha blackish that's like russian rullette, but you have backuped what's needed anyway so shoot. |
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| 08:57.36 | blackish | what geometry did I paste earlier? |
| 08:57.41 | mulan | hi, has someone here successfully compiled evolution 2.4 and data-server 1.4.0 for debian testing? or is there maby a deb source for it? |
| 08:57.43 | blackish | from /proc or sfdisk? |
| 08:58.07 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:58.11 | sep | sfdisk |
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| 08:58.40 | blackish | k, how do i get blocks from sectors then? |
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| 08:59.05 | sadarar | hi folks. I am having big problems setting up gnome-bluetooth on my sarg box. I have blueZ working OK, and it is detecting and pingning devises OK, but when I try to install gnome-bluetooth it is not found. I found an unofficial repository that has gnome-bluetooth and all dependancies on, but his was compilked for sid, and have further missing dependancies which I cannot find to fix. Anybody got this working? surely it CAN work?? |
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| 09:01.09 | Guerin | sadarar: might not be in sarge. Look in etch; you may need to upgrade. |
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| 09:01.44 | aedwards | folks....LAMP question....Is Pear the defacto layer creating dynamic sites? Anyone here have any gripes or other preferences? |
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| 09:02.09 | iostream | aedwards: pear and smarty has worked well for me. |
| 09:02.40 | blackish | meh to Pear |
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| 09:03.02 | blackish | Pear is not all that well designed, as it was designed for php4 |
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| 09:03.38 | sep | blackish, http://www.lissot.net/partition/partition-6.html#BlockSize |
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| 09:04.04 | blackish | thx |
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| 09:04.17 | aedwards | Does php5 address pear or bring pear functionality....what does Zend bring to the game? |
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| 09:04.20 | wombachi | Pear packages can work with php 5 too, generally. |
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| 09:04.49 | Guerin | aedwards: i have no idea why you're asking #debian these questions |
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| 09:05.19 | lucifer | hmm i'm using ported packagess for mac osx.. and i need tools like tac and seq.. in which package do they reside in debian? |
| 09:05.33 | jm_ | lucifer: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:05.33 | lucifer | apt-cache search didn't really help :( |
| 09:05.38 | lucifer | ah :) |
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| 09:06.12 | lewis_ | hey there |
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| 09:06.31 | wombachi | [answering myself] seeing 'user not allowed because shell not executable' in ssh doest mean the user gave correct password :) |
| 09:06.39 | lewis_ | my network connection to my debian box keeps dropping out... |
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| 09:06.55 | lewis_ | the box has a static ip address, and goes straight to a router - any ideas? |
| 09:06.59 | tolle | I get som annoying errors when I'm running Drupal in debian stable |
| 09:07.07 | tolle | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/drupal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 31 |
| 09:07.14 | lewis_ | sometimes the link light stays out, but sometimes not - think it is a busted network card? |
| 09:07.16 | FallOnMe | lewis_: anythin else trying to get tme same ip? |
| 09:07.23 | tolle | on my mail from mr Cron D, and quite alot of them |
| 09:07.25 | lewis_ | nothing else is trying the same ip.... |
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| 09:07.48 | wombachi | tolle: your php probably dont have mysql support |
| 09:07.49 | sep | lewis_, ping it, ping the router, ping the wan interface of router. ping the default gateway of the wan interface of the router. and you should see when it falles out what part of the link you need to focus on |
| 09:08.06 | FallOnMe | lewis_: try replacing the cable before the card. |
| 09:08.07 | wombachi | tolle: apt-get install php4-mysql |
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| 09:08.11 | possie | hippie, i have a backup MX, but when i check that mail.log i still see alot of mail comming to this machine, why is this? i thought backup mx would only be used if primary mx was down? |
| 09:08.13 | sep | lewis_, nevermind me didnt get you had physical acecss |
| 09:08.15 | lewis_ | it is a remote machine... yesterday, when I was in front of it... I could get on it all... |
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| 09:08.26 | lewis_ | the router, both lan and wan is fine... |
| 09:08.29 | tolle | wombachi: Well the entire site works well, and that package is installed. |
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| 09:08.34 | lewis_ | I have tried two different cables... |
| 09:08.42 | lewis_ | when I went in front of the box yesterday... |
| 09:08.51 | lewis_ | the screen was filled with.... link up, link down messages |
| 09:08.55 | sep | lewis_, dmesg say nothing ? |
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| 09:09.16 | lewis_ | i can't check dmesg now, but link up, link down messages were all over the screen yesterday |
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| 09:09.33 | tolle | wombachi: oh, might have found it |
| 09:09.38 | lewis_ | as far as I can remember, the network card (onbuilt) is stable, and shouldn't be having any problems... |
| 09:09.50 | sep | lewis_, and linux goes stright to router ? |
| 09:09.52 | lewis_ | is there anything that would cause a lan connection to go up/down a lot... |
| 09:10.00 | enyc | lewi: bad connection? ;-) |
| 09:10.02 | lucifer | jm_: thanks |
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| 09:10.06 | lewis_ | yes - cable straight to the other box.... |
| 09:10.07 | enyc | lewi: err what chipset/driver card? |
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| 09:10.17 | enyc | jewi: have uyou tried a different card? |
| 09:10.20 | lewis_ | erm - onbuilt... don't have the details to hand... |
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| 09:10.36 | lewis_ | it sounds like the card is causing problems, although i wonder why it works/doesn't work all the time |
| 09:10.36 | sep | lewis_, bogus autonegotiations, bad cable/connector, one end of link is forced ne is autoneg. |
| 09:10.43 | sep | lewis_, just try anoher card. |
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| 09:11.00 | lewis_ | it is a remote machine, with an onbuilt card, and no spare slots, not too easy... |
| 09:11.01 | enyc | lewi: use "/sbin/lspci" to see what most cards are... |
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| 09:11.12 | enyc | lewi: see if you see ethernet device mentioned there |
| 09:11.40 | lewis_ | it seems as if when you unplug/plug the network cable, things work for 5 mins, then stop working... |
| 09:11.48 | enyc | You see a mention like:- |
| 09:11.50 | enyc | 0000:00:09.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) |
| 09:12.03 | lewis_ | yesterday, I was in front of the machine, unplugged, plugged in, and i could ping any real ip address.... |
| 09:12.06 | enyc | lewi: run "/sbin/lspci" and let us see waht the device is ;-) |
| 09:12.10 | lewis_ | about 1hr later, things didn't work... |
| 09:12.22 | lewis_ | enyc - i am not in front of the machine, and don't have the details to hand.... |
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| 09:12.42 | enyc | lewi: well can you log into it over the network? |
| 09:12.42 | lewis_ | is there anything you know of, that would let the connection work for 5 mins perfectly, then stop soon after? |
| 09:12.57 | lewis_ | i can't log in over the network, if the network card is faulty... |
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| 09:13.11 | enyc | lewi: all sorts ; bad driver/card behaviouur, silly problem with card/switch negotiation... |
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| 09:13.24 | sep | lewis_, there are ocaionaly incompatibilities between asic hips. you can have a fine card act wierd against just a spesific other asci range just try a different card. it's rare but not unheard of. in 99% of the time it's the connector or the cable. also i'v seen such on dodly budget switches. |
| 09:13.25 | enyc | lewi: I have had instances where a certain card and a certain switch just won't get along together |
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| 09:13.44 | lewis_ | hmm |
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| 09:14.04 | krenin | hello |
| 09:14.11 | enyc | sep: heh, I had a case where a PCI 3com 10baseT/10base2 card would not negotiate with a certain 10/100mbps capable hub/switch unit... |
| 09:14.13 | lewis_ | it is a Netgear router, and I have tried two different CAT5 cables... it might just be a loose connection, but I haven't had any problems with it before... |
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| 09:14.29 | lewis_ | i have recently moved the server to this new location, after previously having no problems with it before. |
| 09:14.33 | enyc | lewi: hrrrm... netgear gadgets.. sound cheap and horrible to me ;-) |
| 09:14.37 | sep | enyc, i'v had issues with 3com's also, but i dont think they are any worse then the rest |
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| 09:14.53 | enyc | lewi: err, tried updating the firmwar on the netgear gadget |
| 09:14.54 | sep | lewis_, with the same router ? |
| 09:14.55 | enyc | lewi ? |
| 09:15.05 | lewis_ | different router beforehand... |
| 09:15.17 | lewis_ | although, the router works for other devices... |
| 09:15.23 | enyc | lewi: inded that sounds likely |
| 09:15.28 | enyc | lewi: possoible incompatibility |
| 09:15.33 | lewis_ | enyc - what sounds likely? |
| 09:15.45 | sep | lewis_, then try a new card. your card obviouslt have an issues against that router, but i guess the router and card are in essence 'ok' just not together |
| 09:15.58 | enyc | lewi: try plugging a switch between the machine and the router.. which will separate the autonegotiation and you may work-around the problem |
| 09:16.08 | lewis_ | good idea |
| 09:16.18 | lewis_ | was about to suggest thatI plug the machine into the switch instead... |
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| 09:16.35 | lewis_ | the switch is also Netgear though :P |
| 09:16.51 | enyc | lewi: it may use completely different ASIC for its' ethernet on that one... etc... |
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| 09:17.05 | lewis_ | what exaclty is ASIC? |
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| 09:17.13 | drac | !asic |
| 09:17.13 | dpkg | asic is probably (Application-specific Integrated Circuit) An ASIC is a circuit designed for a very specific purpose, such as the processors in PDAs or the chips on a motherboard chipset. ASICs contrast with more general-purpose devices such as memory chips or x86 processors that can be used in many different applications. |
| 09:17.24 | lewis_ | both the router and the motherboard with onbuilt network cad are relatively new... |
| 09:17.25 | enyc | lewi: err, form of highly integrated IC (Integrated Circuit -- "chip") |
| 09:17.29 | sep | lewis_, think if it as the chip driving the netport, |
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| 09:17.47 | lewis_ | ok - i will try to get the machine connected to the switch, instead of to the router... |
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| 09:18.05 | lewis_ | although, a netgear switch port, and a netgear router port, could be very similar... |
| 09:18.11 | sep | lewis_, that's a good idea, |
| 09:18.17 | elirips | hello. am i right, that if i don't load module ath_pci my wlan card is not active (i got no ath0 then), and therefore uses no battery-power? |
| 09:18.38 | lewis_ | i have never heard of two devices not 'negotiating'.... |
| 09:18.46 | enyc | elir: err, proabbly still uses some power, just not transmitting ;p |
| 09:18.57 | sep | lewis_, not that uncommon |
| 09:19.00 | enyc | lewi: oh I've heard allsorts... when you talk to somebody who works on a major network etc. ;-) |
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| 09:19.08 | sep | iv had it happen atlest 3 times in the last 5 years |
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| 09:19.14 | lewis_ | btw, while we are on the issues of networks... |
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| 09:19.31 | lewis_ | if I have two auto-uplink switches, why wouldn't it allow me to connect them together? |
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| 09:19.35 | sep | and our network is not major... but we get all sorts of gear |
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| 09:19.42 | enyc | lewi: particuarly.. where one end says 'im in half duplex' but the other end thinks 'im in full duplex' |
| 09:19.53 | enyc | lewi: and it all does daft things [drops packets and stuff] |
| 09:19.59 | enyc | lewi: and keeps having 'collisions' ;p |
| 09:20.04 | sep | enyc, well that's a config error tho |
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| 09:20.14 | lewis_ | hmm |
| 09:20.16 | enyc | sep: well, if the autonegotiate goes silly... |
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| 09:20.19 | enyc | sep: it can happen |
| 09:20.23 | sep | lewis_, you put the uplink port of one switch into a regular port of the other ? |
| 09:20.32 | sep | enyc, aye. yes, |
| 09:20.37 | lewis_ | both switches said that all ports were auto-uplink |
| 09:20.51 | lewis_ | so i connected two random ports on both switches |
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| 09:21.04 | lewis_ | and it didn't work. when i connected a pc to the switch instead, it worked. |
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| 09:21.28 | sep | lewis_, ahh auto MDI /MDI-X ports. i'v had that fail on numeros ocasions. just use a crossover cable |
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| 09:21.48 | lewis_ | but... |
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| 09:22.00 | lewis_ | the switches are separated by cables in walls... |
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| 09:22.06 | sep | i even had a switch that swapped between mdi and mdi-x on restart of switch . that was a royal pain to troublshoot. |
| 09:22.11 | lewis_ | i.e. they are on different floors |
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| 09:22.21 | sep | lewis_, ? and ? |
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| 09:22.41 | sep | i want buttons so i know what the port is set to either one or the other. |
| 09:22.43 | oddbjorn | dell:~# apt-get build-dep vlc -V |
| 09:22.45 | lewis_ | ah good point |
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| 09:22.47 | oddbjorn | E: Build-dependencies for vlc could not be satisfied. |
| 09:22.50 | oddbjorn | ..any ideas? |
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| 09:23.03 | lewis_ | right - i will get the server plugged into the switch... |
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| 09:23.29 | lewis_ | do you reckon the router is trying to auto-negotiate weirdly, or force a particular duplex? |
| 09:24.10 | Zensur | someone can help me with the wep encryption of my wireless lan ? i got it running well without encryption, and it also runs well with encryption if i windows, but i didn't make it to get a connection using linux |
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| 09:24.29 | lewis_ | i'll be back later - thanks for your help |
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| 09:24.50 | sep | oddbjorn, apt-get update ? your not mixing sources are you ? |
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| 09:26.32 | sep | oddbjorn, http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=229775 relevant for you ? |
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| 09:26.36 | blackish | oh well, reinstall |
| 09:26.36 | oddbjorn | sep: I have ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ to install lame, but that's it.. I have tried commenting it out and doing "apt-get update", but still with the same problem... do I need to uninstall the packages I have installed from that repos? |
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| 09:26.45 | blackish | probably take less time anyway |
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| 09:26.55 | looneybird_77590 | what program do i use for logitech quick cam |
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| 09:30.17 | looneybird_77590 | what program do i use for logitech quick cam |
| 09:30.35 | pcdog | camorama if i reminds right |
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| 09:30.46 | pcdog | have the machine not here |
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| 09:30.53 | pcdog | with the webcam |
| 09:31.04 | pcdog | but tvtime should be able to use it too |
| 09:31.20 | sep | oddbjorn, hahahaha like your dillbert |
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| 09:32.03 | oddbjorn | sep :) |
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| 09:32.18 | looneybird_77590 | what program do i use for logitech quick cam |
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| 09:32.39 | incorrect | what are the alternatives to nagios? |
| 09:32.40 | pcdog | did you read what i wrote? :/ |
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| 09:33.10 | pcdog | looneybird_77590, camorama - Gnome2 tool to view, alter and save images from a webcam |
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| 09:33.26 | pcdog | just from apt-cache search webcam :) |
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| 09:33.29 | sep | incorrect, http://www.slac.stanford.edu/xorg/nmtf/nmtf-tools.html a short list here |
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| 09:33.43 | looneybird_77590 | ok thanx |
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| 09:34.16 | sep | oddbjorn, shoudnt think so. but worth a shot. the bug wasnt relevant for you ? |
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| 09:36.29 | oddbjorn | sep: no, not really... but I'm working on it :) |
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| 09:41.08 | burnez | good morning! how do i set up my kanotix that way that - while booting, the system time is synchronized with the hardware-clock? |
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| 09:41.53 | sep | burnez, you start by asing that question in #kanotix since your in the wrong channel |
| 09:41.58 | TonyBurn | is cd1 of the ia64 install set bootable? by laptop doesn't seem to want to boot it |
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| 09:42.07 | cahoot | burnez: the generic answer is /j #kanotix |
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| 09:42.54 | cahoot | burnez: a more practical answer would be: get and read the debian reference |
| 09:42.55 | burnez | seb, I too tried #kanotix. |
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| 09:43.08 | burnez | okay, thank you guys.. |
| 09:43.26 | Trewas | TonyBurn: you have an itanium laptop? does it come with a separate battery pack, probably on wheels? :) |
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| 09:44.04 | TonyBurn | ia64 = athlon 64 aswell no ? |
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| 09:44.28 | Trewas | no, amd64 (athlons and new pentium4/xeon) is very different from ia64 |
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| 09:45.10 | fireba11 | that is why ia64 will die sooner or later ^^ |
| 09:45.22 | TonyBurn | oh right |
| 09:45.24 | Zensur | i cannot connect to my wlan although i got the right wep key, and it works when wep is disabled. somebody got a suggestion where the problem could be ? |
| 09:45.35 | eivinhas | any friends of Martin Michlmayr here? :) |
| 09:45.37 | incorrect | if ia64 dies what cpu's will intel make? |
| 09:45.55 | azeem | eivinhas: why? |
| 09:46.21 | eivinhas | azeem: Ah, just wondering, I'm listening to him right now... :) He's speaking at a course I have :P |
| 09:46.30 | azeem | heh |
| 09:46.36 | Trewas | incorrect: the same as they currently do, itaniums haven't had very much sales or made income for intel |
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| 09:46.54 | azeem | eivinhas: we'll tell him you chatted on IRC while in his course |
| 09:46.55 | eivinhas | azeem: He mentioned IRC so i figured i should have a look at "his" channel ;) |
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| 09:47.02 | eivinhas | azeem: hehe |
| 09:47.05 | incorrect | so intel will die and everyone will use amd64s? |
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| 09:47.15 | incorrect | then adm will be big and evil |
| 09:47.24 | azeem | incorrect: you're incorrect |
| 09:47.25 | incorrect | and then we can hate amd |
| 09:47.35 | bender-RW- | i, for one, welcome the new amd overlords ;) |
| 09:47.41 | incorrect | lol |
| 09:48.04 | eivinhas | azeem: Is he from Poland? |
| 09:48.07 | jm_ | there's still lots of morons who think Intel makes better CPU-s so they refuse to buy AMD CPU-s |
| 09:48.10 | incorrect | maybe i can get a laptop that doesn't get so hot it burns my hand |
| 09:48.11 | azeem | eivinhas: no, he's from Innsbruck |
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| 09:48.22 | incorrect | jm_, they should be shot |
| 09:48.28 | eivinhas | azeem: OK, i was wondering about his accent :P |
| 09:48.30 | eivinhas | heh |
| 09:48.30 | azeem | eivinhas: you can tell him that Innsbruck is much nicer than I initially thought |
| 09:48.44 | eivinhas | azeem: What's your name? |
| 09:48.54 | azeem | Michael Banck |
| 09:48.57 | convidado | they alguem could say a good program to me for records compact disc that is not k3b |
| 09:49.00 | eivinhas | :) |
| 09:49.05 | fireba11 | jim_: only reason i see to buy intel is when u want a notebook ... |
| 09:49.10 | jm_ | convidado: cdrecord |
| 09:49.30 | TonyBurn | have i just gotta get i386 for amd64 then and recompile the kernel later ? |
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| 09:49.41 | jm_ | unless you want to use AMD64 port |
| 09:49.44 | convidado | which good program and for records compact disc that is not k3b, with front end |
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| 09:49.50 | convidado | jm_, front end? |
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| 09:50.05 | TonyBurn | http://ftp.softnet.tuc.gr/ftp/linux/debian-cd/current/ << amd64 port comes where in that list ? |
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| 09:50.10 | jm_ | convidado: no idea, I use just cdrecord and growisofs |
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| 09:50.26 | jm_ | TonyBurn: #debian-amd64 and read the topic |
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| 09:50.42 | jm_ | but get familiar with all the shortcomings of it before deciding to use it |
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| 09:50.57 | ciroro | Hi, my HD has fstab options (rw,errors=remount-ro). Is there some way of giving me a msg when it's remounted ro? I can't see anything in syslog |
| 09:50.57 | jm_ | most people should just use x86 port even for AMD64 systems |
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| 09:51.01 | TonyBurn | ok, mebbe i try with the i386 first |
| 09:51.30 | fireba11 | ciroro: natuarally .. sien when that happens syslog is readonly .. |
| 09:51.52 | fireba11 | geez .. can't type today |
| 09:51.56 | ciroro | okay, it's about a different partition then the one syslog is on |
| 09:52.00 | looneybird_77590 | installed camorama. Error: Could not connect to video device " /dev/video0 " |
| 09:52.25 | fireba11 | ciroro: ah, okay then .. if you find out tell me :-) |
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| 09:52.51 | ciroro | well I could just write a script that tries to write something every 5min but that's not the nicest way |
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| 09:53.06 | fireba11 | jup .. should be some "regular" way to this |
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| 09:53.56 | lewis_ | hey there - i'm back... |
| 09:54.25 | lewis_ | i managed to get the machine plugged into the switch. the link light is on, yet I can't connect to the machine. must it be a network card issue? |
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| 09:54.43 | azeem | lewis_: can you ping it? |
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| 09:54.48 | lewis_ | nope |
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| 09:55.00 | fireba11 | lewis_: could also be network configuration .. |
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| 09:55.05 | lewis_ | the machine has a static ip address, which nothing else is trying to use... |
| 09:55.15 | fireba11 | but try another NIC if you got one |
| 09:55.26 | lewis_ | yesterday, I was infront of the machine, and after plugging/replugging the machine, I could ping all appropriate ip addresses |
| 09:55.39 | lewis_ | (pluggin/replugging the network cable) |
| 09:56.00 | subaqua | hi @ll! |
| 09:56.02 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:56.08 | fireba11 | lewis_: maybe your switch/switch port or whatever you used is dead ? |
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| 09:56.24 | lewis_ | before the switch, it was connected to a router... |
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| 09:56.39 | sep | lewis_, was perhaps your old router using forced speed/duplex and you are now autonegotiating ? or vice verca |
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| 09:56.44 | subaqua | got a question about 2 servers in different networks (dmz/lan) needing to exchange synchronize files... |
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| 09:57.02 | lewis_ | right - i just checked... |
| 09:57.05 | fireba11 | subaqua: jsut ask the question |
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| 09:57.10 | sep | lewis_, or in another way are you lading the 3com module with forced settings ? |
| 09:57.18 | lewis_ | the switch is manageable, and I can see that the link status is '100M Full' |
| 09:57.35 | lewis_ | the speed of the port is set to 'Auto' |
| 09:57.42 | sep | subaqua, scp or rsync are suiteable |
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| 09:57.55 | subaqua | ok: 2 servers, one in the dmz, one in lan. dmz-server needs files from lan-fileserver. so I thought 'bout rsync-ing. |
| 09:58.00 | toad | I'm on debian stable with the new Xorg. I get the same problem with unstable with regular X, and with stable with regular X. every so often, my X server stops responding to keyboard input, (the mouse still works), and CPU usage goes to 100% (almost all from the X server). if i login remotely and kill it, then chvt to 1, then the console works fine. WTF? |
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| 09:58.06 | fireba11 | subaqua: scp for manual, rsync for automatic .. |
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| 09:58.15 | lewis_ | 838 packets have been transmitted, and 6 packets have been received. why am I unable to connect/ping the machine? |
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| 09:58.27 | toad | it also happens on both 2.6.13 and 2.6.11-ac7 |
| 09:58.37 | looneybird_77590 | installed camorama. Error: Could not connect to video device " /dev/video0 " How do i fix |
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| 09:58.37 | sep | lewis_, do you have errors on the interface? |
| 09:58.41 | subaqua | BUT: the user working on the dmz is an external (company). |
| 09:58.43 | killgates | poozi |
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| 09:58.53 | lewis_ | i don't have physical access to the server at the moment. |
| 09:59.01 | toad | any ideas? |
| 09:59.02 | fireba11 | subaqua: where is the problem ? |
| 09:59.05 | lewis_ | last time I did, I saw link up/link down messages on the screen |
| 09:59.15 | subaqua | rsync to work they need a user on the internal fileserver, right? |
| 09:59.34 | sep | lewis_, to test you could force the switch to 100 full and see if that helped, (put it back on auto if it dosnt) |
| 09:59.36 | eivinhas | azeem: He's talking much about how to decrease the complexity of FLOSS projects |
| 09:59.47 | fireba11 | subaqua: yes .. i suggest making a special sync user for that .. so minimal rights for that one |
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| 09:59.57 | lewis_ | ok - one second please |
| 09:59.59 | sep | subaqua, depends. if you use rsync over ssh then yes, if you run a rsync server, then i dont think so |
| 10:00.00 | kneet | PCMCIA net card. Doesn't work with the prism54 drivers - but does with ndiswrapper. The prism54 drivers are auto-loaded when I plug the card into the PCMCIA slot (loading of ndiswrapper happens using pre-up and post-down in the interfaces file - but doesn't work if prism54 is already loaded). Where should I be looking to prevent this module being loaded at card insert time? |
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| 10:00.24 | subaqua | rsync-server is afaik not over ssh, is it? |
| 10:00.26 | fireba11 | sep: u should use a special user so it does only have minimal rights needed |
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| 10:00.50 | SimonRaven | kneet: i assume it's getting loaded by hotplug, or cardmgr |
| 10:01.11 | looneybird_77590 | installed camorama. Error: Could not connect to video device " /dev/video0 " How do i fix |
| 10:01.39 | lewis_ | weird |
| 10:01.46 | lewis_ | i force 100M full, and the link goes down... |
| 10:01.49 | SimonRaven | have it there in the first place? is there a device at that location? |
| 10:02.04 | fireba11 | looneybird_77590: check that the device exists first :-) |
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| 10:02.41 | fireba11 | lewis_: sounds like a damaged NIC, network cable or the switch port hung up .. |
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| 10:03.18 | kneet | SimonRaven, grep -i prism * in /etc/pcmcia doesn't show anything interesting - I'll have a look at hotplug |
| 10:03.19 | lewis_ | i used two network cables, both looking in good condition... |
| 10:03.29 | me_here | can i get rid of localepurge when i delete /etc/apt/99-localepurge ? it is post-invoking /usr/sbin/localepurge for DPKG! |
| 10:03.30 | lewis_ | i used a switch and a router, both brand new... |
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| 10:03.36 | lewis_ | think that leaves the NIC... |
| 10:03.43 | fireba11 | lewis_: most likely |
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| 10:03.55 | GlaDiaC | Hi |
| 10:03.57 | lewis_ | even though |
| 10:03.59 | GlaDiaC | Has someone a Logitech MX900, G7 or Logitech diNovo Media Desktop? |
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| 10:04.08 | fireba11 | lewis_: had a hung up NIC a few weeks ago .. hat to unplug the PC for 5 minutes to get it working again ^^ |
| 10:04.09 | lewis_ | the motherboard is relatively new, and the NIC is onbuilt... |
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| 10:05.43 | looneybird_77590 | there is no "video0" in the "dev" folder |
| 10:05.58 | lewis_ | by sheer chance, I reminded myself of the motherboard manufacturer and model... just finding out what NIC it is... |
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| 10:06.10 | kneet | SimonRaven, can't find a mention of prism54 or the cards name in either the /etc/pcmcia or /etc/hotplug directories :( |
| 10:06.18 | me_here | i get errors in aptutde or dpkg telling me something like" perl-modules-version-bla --unpack" failure in buffer_read(fd) in datalist of package kdebase-data! does anyone know a correction or a hint where to start ? |
| 10:06.46 | me_here | actually i cannot install anything now |
| 10:06.52 | me_here | everytime the same failure |
| 10:06.54 | SimonRaven | kneet: *shrug*. someone else will have more clue than me |
| 10:07.19 | kneet | All I have in the log is "localhost kernel: Loaded prism54 driver, version 1.2" - ah well |
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| 10:07.35 | kneet | Thanks for the hints anyway :) |
| 10:07.59 | fireba11 | crap .. my whole desk is vibrating ..my poor servers |
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| 10:08.16 | nkuttler | kneet: did you configure hotplug to upload the firmware? |
| 10:08.41 | kneet | No - fresh sid install - plugged the card in and boom - prism54 kernel module loads. |
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| 10:09.02 | nkuttler | kneet: you need the firmware, it's non-free and not in debian. prism54.org |
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| 10:09.06 | kneet | It's one of those cards where they changed the chipset but not the identifiers - so the prism54 module won't work |
| 10:09.08 | fireba11 | lewis_: will grab some food and whave a look what they are doing outside ... |
| 10:09.08 | lewis_ | i found out my NIC - RTL8100C chipset |
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| 10:09.20 | lewis_ | any known problems with that chipset? |
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| 10:12.59 | cat | !slipknot |
| 10:13.00 | dpkg | slipknot are a bunch of mean ass fuckers who scare most people and are gods to others, or a.k.a., lamers, or wait and bleed was ok, but iowa SUCKED! the new one is rumored to be better |
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| 10:13.52 | lewis_ | ergh - does anyone have any ideas about my lan connection problem? |
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| 10:15.43 | ciroro | I know this is not the correct place to ask, so please tell me where I can ask questions like this: I'm looking for a windows, open source program that does the same as Google's Desktop Search |
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| 10:15.59 | doc|work | ciroro: beagle |
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| 10:16.35 | ciroro | Okay, thank you. Where can I ask those questions next time? |
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| 10:16.52 | doc|work | ciroro: no reason that can't be asked here, I'd expect |
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| 10:17.51 | ciroro | Well I asked for a Windows version :] (which beagle doesn't look like) |
| 10:18.17 | looneybird_77590 | ok cam is working now, just had to reboot |
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| 10:18.32 | doc|work | ciroro: ah ok, then yeah, you're way off |
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| 10:18.57 | ciroro | yeah, but there's not something like an active #windows, and I cant find something like #ossoftware |
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| 10:20.25 | SickJacken | how do i send a signal to some process ? |
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| 10:21.10 | sward | SickJacken: With kill |
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| 10:22.11 | SickJacken | but i dont want to kill a process, just send him a SIGUSR1 |
| 10:22.28 | sward | man kill |
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| 10:22.51 | sward | kill doesn't just send SIGTERMs |
| 10:23.01 | sward | QUIT, even |
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| 10:23.25 | SickJacken | ok thanks |
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| 10:24.19 | sward | (oh, I was right the first time, SIGTERM) :) |
| 10:25.50 | DrShade | Greetings! I am trying to install gMUDix 1.0 from source - ./configure gives an error about gtk2.0 not being found in pkg-config path - any info? |
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| 10:27.00 | sward | DrShade: Make sure you have the relevent *-dev packages for GTK |
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| 10:28.09 | cyberix | I created a wallpaper using the Debian open use logo. So I can't publish it under "Creative Commons Attribution 2.5" license? |
| 10:28.15 | cyberix | Which is sad |
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| 10:30.09 | DrShade | sward, so, for instance, I shall need libgtk2.0-dev? |
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| 10:30.49 | sward | cyberix: For a start, if you did release it under that license, it wouldn't be distributable with Debian.. at least in main |
| 10:31.12 | sward | DrShade: That sounds about right |
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| 10:31.30 | cyberix | sward, Art in Debian has to be public domain? |
| 10:31.37 | GlaDiaC | Has someone a Logitech MX900, G7 or Logitech diNovo Media Desktop? |
| 10:31.44 | Kilehmol | me GlaDiaC |
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| 10:32.02 | DrShade | sward, I'm confused, I 'have' gtk2.0 -something- that's for sure because I run gtk apps - are the dev files just needed when you build apps from source? (This is the first app I have tried building from source.) |
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| 10:32.10 | sward | cyberix: No, it just has to be licensed under one that Debian will distribute |
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| 10:32.17 | yiyus | how could I solve the qt3, qt3c102, qt3c102-mt dependency hell? |
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| 10:32.26 | GlaDiaC | Kilehmol: which one |
| 10:32.34 | cyberix | sward, Where is the list? |
| 10:32.49 | GNULinux | Could some help me with my telnetd settings, I can log in without passwords. |
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| 10:33.57 | sward | cyberix: Look for debian-legal summaries.. I don't know off-hand |
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| 10:35.17 | sward | DrShade: Yes, the dev packages are just needed when building from source |
| 10:35.17 | me_here | yiyus: qt3c102-mt is the threaded and recommended one, so base your selections on that and get rid of all other selections |
| 10:35.18 | fireba11 | GNULinux: you need telnet ? its frighteningly insecure anyway .. |
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| 10:35.37 | yang | fireba11: yes i need it |
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| 10:35.50 | cyberix | sward, but I can't distribute it under any free license anyway, because the the license of the "open use" logo restricts use when not refering to Debian, and no free license could have such restriction. |
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| 10:36.52 | sward | cyberix: You'll have to ask the copyright owners of the open use logo then |
| 10:36.59 | yiyus | me_here, but theres no libqt3c102-dev and libqt3-dev needs libqt3 which conflicts with libqt3-c102, so if i want to compile a qt application (mythtv, btw), where do i get the header files? |
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| 10:37.30 | Guerin | cyberix: you can strip the logo out or replace it with a free logo and then package it. |
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| 10:37.56 | Guerin | cyberix: this is done for a number of packages, notably imagemagick and (until recently, may still be so) mozilla |
| 10:37.59 | DrShade | sward, I thank you -so- much :) I got it compiled and installed! Thanks mate. |
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| 10:40.17 | sward | cyberix: What license are the Debian wallpapers released under? Can you use the images from those, and their licenses instead? |
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| 10:42.21 | sett | to all the debian users: http://www.bitchx.ru/pictures/icon.png |
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| 10:45.22 | sward | cyberix: Check the /usr/share/doc/desktop-base/copyright file, you might find links to something of use |
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| 10:47.25 | DrShade | Bye all! |
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| 10:48.25 | antgel | fucking power cut just as i was about to ask something |
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| 10:49.42 | GlaDiaC | Has someone a Logitech MX900, G7 or Logitech diNovo Media Desktop? |
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| 10:50.06 | antgel | has skype killed the market for companies to have their own, dedicated voip gateways and software? yes, i know it's not debian-related, flame / ignore me as you desire. just don't know where i can find better people to discuss this with :P |
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| 10:50.21 | antgel | !tell GlaDiaC about someone |
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| 10:50.50 | sward | "kettle", "black", "pot" |
| 10:50.58 | antgel | *grin* |
| 10:51.08 | GlaDiaC | antgel: I need informations about these mice (product id, model name etc.) |
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| 10:52.05 | antgel | GlaDiaC: at least that's something that someone might be able to help with. not me, i have a cordless mouseman optical (what a name!) |
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| 10:52.24 | GlaDiaC | :) |
| 10:52.28 | sward | antgel: Skype may have, though I don't know much about the VOIP market.. |
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| 10:53.07 | sward | antgel: though I'd like to see how the good evil Google has its ways with the voice in Google Talk |
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| 10:53.57 | antgel | sward: it's funny. i'm sure there is still a reason for dedicated voip, but i'm fucked if i know what it is. |
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| 10:55.29 | sward | sward: Maybe for the people who are still clinging to analogue phone systems now will end up using it in a few years when we all have something far superior |
| 10:55.35 | sward | antgel: ^^ |
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| 10:56.27 | sward | antgel: Maybe BT will actually start giving us VOIP at reasonable rates by then.. one can only hope |
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| 10:56.54 | fazla | hey |
| 10:57.02 | fazla | do you know a driver for kodak 7430 ? |
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| 10:57.54 | antgel | sward: i'm just trying to work out how my company can continue making money from voip gateways. :) |
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| 10:58.03 | nefertum | xorg is already in etch? |
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| 10:58.07 | nefertum | it's a good new |
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| 10:58.12 | antgel | fazla: does it not work with usb mass storage? |
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| 10:58.44 | doc|work | antgel: some industries aren't meant to last forever. Just ask shoemakers for horses :) |
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| 10:59.25 | antgel | doc|work: indeed. but it was over very quickly. continuing in #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:59.41 | xoz | time for xorg to be in etch... my random X restart problem using Xfree86 is gone. |
| 10:59.56 | fazla | antgel: it use its own storage(16 mb) |
| 11:00.02 | Deek | xoz: Fonts are still ugly though. |
| 11:00.02 | yang | anyone knows what could be the trouble with telnetd not reading my passwords? |
| 11:00.05 | Deek | :) |
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| 11:00.19 | nefertum | xoz, sorry, what's your problem with xorg? |
| 11:00.27 | sward | xoz: Some people have random crashing in xorg.. I don't :) |
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| 11:01.00 | jm_ | yang: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 11:01.18 | unu | hello |
| 11:01.26 | Deek | I pulled xf86 out of testing to make the hurting stop. |
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| 11:01.29 | unu | how do i make fixed size multi volume archives? |
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| 11:01.51 | Deek | unu: tar + split |
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| 11:02.00 | elirips | has someone already seen this strange behaviour: if i rename files on a fat32-partition from lower-case to uper-case, the changes seem to be reseted as soon as i reboot, or 'ls' them in a newly opened terminal. instead i have to copy the files first to an ext3-partition, rename them there, and then copy them back... ?? |
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| 11:02.07 | xoz | what i meant was the XFree86 bug in the code morphing algo of transmeta. xorg seemed to have solved it. |
| 11:02.10 | yang | I have trouble with telnetd, I can login without password supplied. If I log over ssh, the right password must be supplied |
| 11:02.31 | kapil | yang: check /etc/pam.d/telnetd or /etc/pam.d/other |
| 11:02.36 | jm_ | telnetd should use login for that |
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| 11:03.00 | Deek | yang: your account doesn't have a password, but your ssh key has a passphrase. |
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| 11:03.10 | unu | derek: great? is it cross platform? no - i need to send to a win guy |
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| 11:03.24 | sward | elirips: Sounds like a problem with FAT32's case insensitivity |
| 11:03.25 | jm_ | elirips: fat is case insensitive, rename it to a new file then back and it'll work (i.e. something like mmv '*' '#l1.1'; mmv '*.1' '#1' |
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| 11:03.34 | unu | Derek: thought about split |
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| 11:03.43 | Deek | that's Deek. :) |
| 11:03.47 | yang | Deek: no, i have passwords set for users...but you can log in just like any user, without password |
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| 11:04.31 | Guerin | yang: don't use telnetd |
| 11:04.36 | Guerin | simple |
| 11:04.52 | elirips | jm_: ah, okay.. damn fat32 :P would ntfs be case-sensitive? can i read/write an ntfs partition from within linux? I need that partition to exchange data with my winxp that i also have on my laptop.. |
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| 11:05.12 | Deek | If login's not requiring a password, there're problems worse than telnetd. |
| 11:05.13 | yang | kapil: there is everything set to auth required pam_unix.so in pam.d/other |
| 11:05.27 | yang | kapil: and no telnet option in pam.d |
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| 11:06.14 | Guerin | but login IS requiring a password |
| 11:06.19 | Guerin | locally and by ssh |
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| 11:06.43 | Deek | Guerin: telnetd doesn't prompt for a password, it passes off to login. |
| 11:06.44 | Guerin | what reason is there to use telnetd anyway? You might as well have no password. |
| 11:06.50 | jm_ | elirips: it seems to be case insensitive bny default too, but perhaps it's configurable |
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| 11:06.59 | Deek | Just like getty. |
| 11:07.14 | Guerin | Deek: right, but since it only happens with telnet, there's clearly something broken between it and login, not with login itself. |
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| 11:07.20 | jm_ | Guerin: you can always use telnet+OPIE |
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| 11:07.27 | Deek | And ssh does NOT use login. |
| 11:07.31 | yang | i dont think there is ssh compiled in windows versions |
| 11:07.40 | Deek | yang: putty |
| 11:07.47 | veleno | i have 2 debian boxes in a private lan. the first one has a printer, configured via cups (a parallel printer). how do i configure the second one to let it use the printer ? or: which device should i choose in the cups web interface setup ? |
| 11:07.47 | kapil | Gunerin: or you can use telned-ssl |
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| 11:08.12 | sward | !tell kapil -about nicktab |
| 11:08.16 | jm_ | veleno: it has to use remote CUPS server |
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| 11:08.32 | Guerin | there are a few good openssh clients for windows |
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| 11:08.39 | Why4 | hey |
| 11:08.42 | Why4 | what do i set up so that my lan computers can be accessed from the internet? |
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| 11:08.46 | Why4 | like how do i do this? |
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| 11:08.54 | yang | that is why i need telnet, so users can come from default windows |
| 11:09.01 | Guerin | putty is one, but doesn't work on all versions of windows; cygwin openssh works fine on all of them. |
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| 11:09.09 | Guerin | yang: not a good enough reason. |
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| 11:09.20 | veleno | jm_: which one between http/ipp/windows samba ? |
| 11:09.27 | Guerin | yang: make your users install legitimate remote login software or don't alolow them to log in. |
| 11:09.34 | Deek | veleno: And you have to turn on network access to the printer on the box that's serving the printer. |
| 11:09.40 | kapil | yang: The newer telnetd runs in inetd as a non-root user "telnetd" |
| 11:09.44 | Deek | Wow, redundancy. |
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| 11:10.03 | sward | Guerin: From what versions of Windows doesn't PuTTY work? I can imagine 3.x.. |
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| 11:10.08 | kapil | yang: Then the entry in inetd.conf needs to be edited in case |
| 11:10.20 | kapil | yang: inetd is trying to run it as root |
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| 11:10.35 | jm_ | veleno: http or ipp |
| 11:10.37 | Why4 | Putty works with xp |
| 11:10.37 | Deek | Guerin: Legitimate? You've got to be joking. |
| 11:10.42 | Guerin | sward: win98 korean is where I've noticed it. It may be resolvable, but i haven't been able to find a way. |
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| 11:10.53 | kapil | yang: The actual logging in by telnetd is done by /usr/lib/telnetlogin |
| 11:10.54 | elirips | jm_: mmh, well then, then i rather hope that i can get rid of that winxp soon.. |
| 11:10.57 | Guerin | Deek: not at all. |
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| 11:11.10 | kapil | yang: which is an suid helper program. |
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| 11:11.18 | yang | kapil: i have this line in inetd.conf , using ttysnoop - elnet stream tcp nowait root.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -L /usr/sbin/ttysps |
| 11:11.20 | Guerin | Deek: if the login credentials aren't encrypted, there might as well be no passwords. |
| 11:11.25 | Why4 | how do i so that my lan computers can be accessed from the internet? |
| 11:11.27 | sward | Guerin: There's actually a note on the putty page about pre-SP2 WinXP :) |
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| 11:11.52 | Deek | telnet is no less legitimate. It's substantially less safe, but that's another thing entirely. |
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| 11:12.06 | kapil | yang: I think the problem may be the part root.telnetd which should be telnetd.telnetd. |
| 11:12.07 | nkuttler | Why4: provide more information |
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| 11:12.17 | wiler | having a problem with a find script, any ideas script: find . -name *\(thd)\* |awk '{print "rm -f "$1}' |/bin/sh .. output says find paths must preceed expression, i am pretty sure my find syntax is correct. |
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| 11:12.23 | yang | kapil: ok i ll try to change that and reload |
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| 11:12.27 | Deek | Why4: You need to be a lot more specific. |
| 11:12.31 | Why4 | k |
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| 11:12.33 | Guerin | sward: works on all other versions of windows I've tried. I suspect it might be a character set issue. |
| 11:12.40 | nkuttler | wiler: try "*foo*" |
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| 11:13.09 | wiler | i need to escape the () |
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| 11:13.19 | Deek | And the first * too :) |
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| 11:13.34 | yang | kapil: but then i get can't bind server socket (/var/spool/ttysnoop/ttyp1) when i try to login |
| 11:13.41 | Why4 | like if i want to run aoe2 on my winxp lan computer and have others connect through the internet to play me but the winxp computer is connected to a linux box which is connected to the internet |
| 11:13.44 | Deek | wiler: find -name '*(thd)*' |
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| 11:14.16 | Deek | wiler: single quotes avoid the need for escapes. |
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| 11:14.22 | kapil | yang: first try the simpler line without ttysnoop as follows |
| 11:14.27 | kapil | yang: telnet stream tcp nowait telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd |
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| 11:14.37 | sward | Why4: We don't know anything about your network setup, are you behind a cable or ADSL modem? |
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| 11:14.43 | nkuttler | Why4: dynamic dns, port forwarding |
| 11:14.48 | wiler | thanks |
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| 11:15.31 | Why4 | adsl modem |
| 11:15.33 | flawd | slashdot has a link to a webgallery software application called Gallery. The site of the app says it is open-source at one place and then that it is freeware. It must be one of these and can not be both right? |
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| 11:15.47 | Deek | Sure it can be both. |
| 11:15.48 | yang | kapil: then i can enter without password again |
| 11:16.03 | fireba11 | flawd: gallery is open source .. am using it myself, quite nice |
| 11:16.11 | flawd | fireba11, but the site says it is freeware |
| 11:16.19 | Deek | flawd: So? |
| 11:16.34 | Deek | flawd: Freeware just means you don't have to pay for it. |
| 11:16.36 | Why4 | freeware means it is free |
| 11:16.44 | Why4 | but open source means you have the source code |
| 11:16.45 | Why4 | eh? |
| 11:17.01 | Guerin | Why4: means you have an OSI approved license |
| 11:17.01 | Deek | Open source means it's Free. :) |
| 11:17.01 | nkuttler | freeware doesn't mean there's no source code |
| 11:17.05 | Guerin | nope |
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| 11:17.12 | Guerin | Free means it's free :) |
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| 11:17.14 | flawd | eh |
| 11:17.16 | fireba11 | sourceforge project page for gallery says GPL |
| 11:17.23 | flawd | Freeware normally I thought does NOT mean it is opensource |
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| 11:17.24 | Guerin | !start a war between ESR and RMS |
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| 11:17.35 | Guerin | flawd: just check the license if you're unsure. |
| 11:17.36 | nkuttler | freeware is marketing speak and means nothing |
| 11:17.39 | sward | Deek: RMS may have something to say about that :) |
| 11:17.44 | flawd | but you are saying there is no conflict between an application being both freeware and opensource then |
| 11:17.56 | Guerin | flawd: gallery IS free software, and is in debian. |
| 11:18.03 | Why4 | there is not |
| 11:18.04 | sward | Guerin: :( I was looking forward to that war |
| 11:18.07 | Deek | sward: I doubt it. He only quibbles about the name. |
| 11:18.07 | fireba11 | flawd: source forge project page says its GPL, and that is where you download it |
| 11:18.13 | flawd | Guerin, that is what counts, but I still think it is confusing |
| 11:18.17 | flawd | thanks |
| 11:18.18 | yang | kapil: maybe this file -rwsr-xr-- 1 root telnetd 7612 Jul 8 18:10 telnetlogin is compromissed? |
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| 11:18.28 | Why4 | why does open source mean it is free? |
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| 11:18.38 | Guerin | flawd: it IS confusing, yeah. |
| 11:18.43 | Why4 | i thought that it had to be under a licence like gpl |
| 11:18.45 | flawd | Why4, cause you have access to the source and can build it |
| 11:18.47 | Deek | Why4: Free as in freedom. |
| 11:18.49 | flawd | ? |
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| 11:18.53 | fireba11 | why4: |
| 11:18.55 | fireba11 | no |
| 11:18.55 | Why4 | ah |
| 11:18.59 | Deek | DFSG-free. |
| 11:18.59 | flawd | or manipulate it |
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| 11:19.09 | Guerin | Why4: it has to be under a free software license. Practically all open source projects are, but not all. |
| 11:19.10 | eXistenZ | Does anyone know a good RSS client? |
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| 11:19.17 | nkuttler | Why4: /msg dpkg free, /msg dpkg open source |
| 11:19.25 | sward | Deek: According to him, open source software is not necessarily Free, it doesn't necessarily propogate the restrictive freedome the GPL does.. |
| 11:19.26 | fireba11 | Why4: freeware jsut means "free to use" .. sometimes limited to private use even |
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| 11:19.48 | Deek | sward: RMS considers BSD a free software license. |
| 11:19.49 | wiler | hmm, this did not produce what i wanted, maybe i am using the wrong find.. i need to get this thing to remove the files which contain exact_string:(thd). that is some where in the file. ideas? |
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| 11:19.52 | Guerin | Why4: for instance, with qmail, you get the source and can modify it, but can't distribute modified binaries. So you get the source, but it's not free. |
| 11:19.58 | Why4 | yeah |
| 11:20.00 | Why4 | i see |
| 11:20.10 | sward | Deek: No, it is considered compatible with the GPL, not Free |
| 11:20.18 | flawd | Guerin, so an open source program, which I thought really lets you do the same thing to the source as a free software program does, is not really considered free software unless it is actually GPL? |
| 11:20.18 | Deek | sward: Look at the page. |
| 11:20.27 | Guerin | copyleft isn't a requirement of free software license - it's a desirable trait. |
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| 11:20.34 | kapil | yang: it may be compromised. Compare the md5sum of the file |
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| 11:20.54 | Deek | It's a GPL-compatible free software license. Whereas the APSL is a GPL-incompatible free software license -- in the words of RMS. |
| 11:21.02 | Guerin | flawd: no, there are many free software licenses, of which the gpl is the most commonly used. Many open source licenses are also free software. |
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| 11:21.06 | kapil | yang: with the md5sum stored in /var/lib/dpkg/info/telnetd.md5sums |
| 11:21.18 | Guerin | and, yeah, then there's gpl-compatibility... |
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| 11:21.34 | kapil | yang: at least the length is wrong compared with what I have here. |
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| 11:21.36 | flawd | I think it was gnu.org that had links to "free linux distributions" and Debian was not included. I emailed them and got an answer back that Debian is not free as it lets users use nonfree software |
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| 11:22.00 | flawd | yeah it was gnu.org just checked my email |
| 11:22.01 | Guerin | but note also that not all gpl-incompatible licenses are less free than the gpl - the apache license is incompatible becauise it has a patent clause, which the fsf agrees with, but the gpl forbids. |
| 11:22.08 | yang | kapil: well i wouldnt wonder...there are lots of strange users on that box |
| 11:22.28 | sward | furry muff |
| 11:22.31 | flawd | Guerin, what is the requirement of an open-source license to be considered free-software |
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| 11:22.34 | Deek | flawd: No, it's because you can _get_ non-free software from us. |
| 11:22.34 | Why4 | flawd: What the fuck? Lets its users? To do anything else would make it fucked up |
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| 11:22.44 | sward | flawd: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
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| 11:22.56 | flawd | Greetings. The Free GNU/Linux distributions we advocate need to be |
| 11:22.56 | flawd | completely Free. Debian has chosen to include some non-Free programs in |
| 11:22.56 | flawd | their repositories and because of this we cannot consider them |
| 11:22.56 | flawd | completely Free Software GNU/Linux distributions. Users could |
| 11:22.56 | flawd | inadvertently install non-Free software from the repositories, making |
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| 11:23.09 | fireba11 | ahhh ... donT' paste here please |
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| 11:23.37 | Guerin | Why4: debian distributes non-free software, unofficially. Hence: not all free. |
| 11:23.46 | yang | kapil: it shows the correct value... |
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| 11:24.03 | Why4 | ah so it is the fact that it distributes and not that it can run |
| 11:24.07 | Why4 | thats what i thought |
| 11:24.13 | Guerin | Why4: and to do anything else would be a pain in the arse for a few people, but would arguably make for a better distro overall. |
| 11:24.18 | wiler | i need to remove the files which contain (thd) some where in the name, its not necessarilly at the beginning, and here is what i have tired script:find . -name '*(thd)*' |awk '{print "rm -f "$1}' ... but this appears to remove every file |
| 11:24.19 | fireba11 | Guerin: that licensing stuff got pretty complex over time .. |
| 11:24.20 | yang | kapil: size is different, becouse its debian-hppa |
| 11:24.31 | Guerin | fireba11: it gets worse, too :) |
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| 11:24.59 | gudi | hi |
| 11:25.09 | fireba11 | Guerin: i only hope they don't allow software patents in europe ... |
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| 11:25.23 | gudi | im using qos + htb for shape upload. But how can i set some prios for the clients. ? |
| 11:25.26 | gudi | here is my script : |
| 11:25.27 | gudi | http://pastebin.com/363403 |
| 11:25.27 | flawd | Sorry |
| 11:25.33 | flawd | anyway that was the email |
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| 11:25.37 | Guerin | fireba11: i'm inclined to think it's a matter of time, but i'm not going to get into that debate. |
| 11:25.48 | anakinskywalker | how to install the new kernel in sarge |
| 11:25.51 | nkuttler | wiler: try find . -name "*(thd)*" -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f |
| 11:25.59 | flawd | did anyone comment on it while I was absent? |
| 11:26.01 | sward | Guerin: Maybe Debian should _default_ to excluding non-free from the sources.list, I'm sure this must have been discussed somewhere.. *searches* |
| 11:26.02 | nkuttler | anakinskywalker: the new kernel? |
| 11:26.07 | Guerin | sward: it does. |
| 11:26.08 | fireba11 | Guerin: at least the quited the first try couple days ago .. |
| 11:26.14 | wiler | thanks |
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| 11:26.24 | kapil | yang: what about /bin/login. Check its md5sum while you are at it. |
| 11:26.27 | Guerin | sward: but the issue is that debian.org servers distribute non-free material. |
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| 11:26.32 | flawd | please msg me what I missed about the gnu.org email |
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| 11:26.38 | sward | Guerin: Oh.. I've been debootstrapping too long |
| 11:26.49 | Guerin | flawd: we didn't see it, put it on a paster if you really care. |
| 11:26.51 | flawd | I got tempbanned for the flood |
| 11:27.00 | fireba11 | flawd: nothing i think .. not a good idea to paste here |
| 11:27.09 | flawd | So I found out |
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| 11:27.48 | sward | flawd: If only you'd read the topic :) |
| 11:28.03 | fazla | how can i update "fstab" file after changes ? |
| 11:28.09 | fazla | i don't want to reboot system |
| 11:28.28 | nkuttler | fazla: umount + mount? |
| 11:28.32 | Guerin | flawd: you needn't |
| 11:28.33 | fazla | mount.. |
| 11:28.36 | yang | kapil: it also has correct value... |
| 11:28.39 | Guerin | fazla: ^ |
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| 11:28.54 | flawd | Ok I am making it one sentence |
| 11:28.58 | flawd | It is not that big |
| 11:29.00 | fazla | how can i update(activate) changes |
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| 11:29.05 | flawd | reply from gnu.org: |
| 11:29.08 | Guerin | fazla: use mount -o remount for the things you want to remount |
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| 11:29.09 | flawd | Greetings. The Free GNU/Linux distributions we advocate need to be completely Free. Debian has chosen to include some non-Free programs in their repositories and because of this we cannot consider them completely Free Software GNU/Linux distributions. Users could inadvertently install non-Free software from the repositories, making the system immediately vulnerable to software that counters our movement. I hope this clears up the question. P |
| 11:29.09 | flawd | lease let me know if there is anything else I can do for you. |
| 11:29.14 | Guerin | flawd: gah |
| 11:29.19 | nkuttler | flawd: nobody really cares |
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| 11:29.28 | sward | !tell flawd -about paste |
| 11:29.38 | flawd | nkuttler, really? That surprises me |
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| 11:29.41 | nkuttler | flawd: and the people who do already know |
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| 11:29.51 | fazla | Guerin: i added changes about partitions and i want to activate them with only one command |
| 11:29.55 | fazla | can i ? |
| 11:29.56 | anakinskywalker | yes the new kernel |
| 11:30.09 | anakinskywalker | how will i command it in apt-get? |
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| 11:30.23 | nkuttler | anakinskywalker: apt-cache search kernel-image, chose one, man apt-get |
| 11:30.24 | flawd | nkuttler, so there is no interest in discussion such topics with users who finds it "news"? |
| 11:30.26 | flawd | I see |
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| 11:30.29 | liquid_ | hi, I have created a mx record for my isp's IP adress at home. My ISP has blocked port 25 so I'm not able to receive e-mail messeges. What can I do to receive mail messeges even if port 25 is blocked and the mx record still exists? |
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| 11:30.34 | Guerin | fazla: sure, if you use ; between a few mount lines |
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| 11:30.48 | sward | flawd: There is probably a more suitable channel |
| 11:30.54 | nkuttler | discussing licenses sounds like trolling to me most of the time |
| 11:30.55 | Guerin | flawd: none of this is news |
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| 11:31.00 | fazla | Guerin: :)))) |
| 11:31.12 | fazla | so.. no |
| 11:31.21 | wiler | find still appears to be having problems, i think it has to do with the fact that the (thd) is not at the beginning of the file name |
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| 11:31.33 | flawd | fine. I'm going to go and be grumpy in a corner |
| 11:31.40 | flawd | bye for now |
| 11:31.42 | flawd | :) |
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| 11:31.44 | nkuttler | !comfort flawd |
| 11:31.47 | dpkg | There, there, flawd. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 11:31.56 | flawd | aw |
| 11:32.00 | beardy | flawd: #gnu, or #freesoftware, or something perhaps? |
| 11:32.02 | flawd | ty |
| 11:32.11 | flawd | thank you. I will resort to those |
| 11:32.14 | Guerin | liquid_: i think there's an auxiliary smtp port - perhaps 578 or something? Google around on it, or ask in a mail-related channel. My answer is "it's not easy and you're better using a ddedicated mail host or getting a real isp" |
| 11:32.15 | flawd | *poof* |
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| 11:32.47 | kapil | yang: Can't think of anything else. Perhaps try to run telnetd with the switch '-a debug'. |
| 11:33.02 | kapil | yang: This will debug the authentication process. |
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| 11:34.02 | sward | The channel suddenly seems a lot less noisy |
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| 11:34.16 | sward | !beer sward |
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| 11:35.01 | liquid_ | Guerin thanks |
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| 11:38.12 | Deek | oh my, bots. |
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| 11:38.35 | yang | kapil: bia:/boot# /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -a debug |
| 11:38.35 | yang | telnetd: a: unknown option |
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| 11:39.51 | yang | kapil: if i add that -a debug into /etc/inetd.conf it also fails |
| 11:40.10 | kapil | yang: sorry. seems the man page is out-of-date! |
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| 11:40.23 | fireba11 | yang: hm .. why do you need telnet ? am just curious .. |
| 11:40.34 | yang | fireba11: i am tired explaining this everytime |
| 11:40.44 | fireba11 | kk |
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| 11:40.58 | Assid | umm.. anyone know where the hosttype variable is set from? |
| 11:41.00 | Deek | yang: relax. |
| 11:41.10 | Assid | and also the MACHTYPE |
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| 11:41.30 | Deek | Assid: From bash's configure |
| 11:41.33 | yang | i am not relaxed, i have troubles with this telnetd and i cant put machine back online untill its fixedc |
| 11:41.42 | Fluten | I have a nfs share mounted, but no longer have access to the server at this time, and it locks up whenever i do a df -h. |
| 11:41.53 | Fluten | how can i force it's unmounting, without having to reboot? |
| 11:42.00 | Deek | yang: And you don't get to take it out on those who may help you, mmkay? |
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| 11:42.36 | Assid | hrmm.. thats weird.. 1 box ( true install ) shows machtype as i686 .. and the machihne which i remotely changed over.. shows as i386 |
| 11:42.45 | yang | fireba11: i have answered your question about 1h ago, maybe you didnt see |
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| 11:43.12 | Assid | Deek: is there a way to reset this? |
| 11:43.13 | Assid | i mean make it show my real cpu ? |
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| 11:43.28 | Deek | Assid: It's compiled into the bash executable. |
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| 11:43.32 | Assid | oh |
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| 11:43.47 | Assid | hrmm.. still dont understand how that bash and this bash shows different |
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| 11:43.57 | kapil | yang: According to the options for telnetd the -L switch describes |
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| 11:44.13 | kapil | yang: the program used for login. In other words your line in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 11:44.28 | Deek | echo $MACHTYPE $HOSTTYPE |
| 11:44.28 | Deek | i486-pc-linux-gnu i486 |
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| 11:45.34 | Assid | but if the bash executable is in the debs.. how come 1 machine shows as 686 and another as 386 .. shouldnt both show the same? |
| 11:45.49 | kapil | yang: uses ttysnoops to do the login part. |
| 11:45.57 | nkuttler | Assid: is it the same package version? |
| 11:46.02 | fireba11 | yang: probably .. had my break there .. |
| 11:46.02 | Deek | Assid: It's just what bash was configured for -- it's really of no use as far as I can tell -- and also, it's only bash. |
| 11:46.07 | kapil | yang: try the original telnet line without the ttysnoops. |
| 11:46.14 | kapil | yang: that line is as follows. |
| 11:46.17 | kapil | yang: |
| 11:46.25 | Deek | EMPTY! :) |
| 11:46.25 | Assid | Deek: okay.. it hought it uses it for optimisations when compiling.. |
| 11:46.34 | kapil | yang: telnet stream tcp nowait telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd |
| 11:46.36 | yang | kapil: if I do the usr/sbin/in.telnetd |
| 11:46.36 | yang | telnetd: getpeername: Socket operation on non-socket |
| 11:47.02 | yang | kapil: i think i tried that line before, and i was able to come in without pass |
| 11:47.35 | Assid | and yes.. they both use the same bash version .. and even the 686 one shows as 386 in bash --help .. BUT echo $MACHTYPE $HOSTTYPE shows as 686 |
| 11:47.40 | kapil | yang: Yes. that is because telnetd expects a socket on stdin/stdout which is |
| 11:47.44 | kapil | done for it by inetd. |
| 11:47.44 | jm_ | yang: that's because it's supposed to be started by inetd |
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| 11:48.27 | Deek | Assid: I use $MACHTYPE to tell whether I'm on linux or openstep, but that's it. :) |
| 11:48.38 | Deek | (in scripts, that is) |
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| 11:49.46 | Deek | These bots aren't annoying at all. |
| 11:49.56 | yang | kapil: maybe its something wrong with pam settings? |
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| 11:50.52 | antgel | Deek: /ig them |
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| 11:51.09 | kapil | yang: what about 'login user'? Does it also login without a password? |
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| 11:51.57 | yang | kapil: there is no user "user" in my /etc/passwd |
| 11:52.01 | yang | so i cant login |
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| 11:52.18 | Deek | login {username} |
| 11:52.24 | yang | kapil: telnet just disabled the passwords of existing users...like mail, news, yang |
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| 11:52.52 | kapil | yang: try *any* user not "user" |
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| 11:53.29 | Deek | antgel: What, I'm gonna ignore three whole subnets? |
| 11:53.47 | antgel | Deek: no, just /ig #debian joins parts quits |
| 11:54.02 | yang | sh-2.05b$ login yang |
| 11:54.03 | yang | No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" |
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| 11:58.41 | dtb | i got one of those MD5Sum Mismatches with mysql-server form mirrir.pacific.net.au |
| 11:58.44 | dtb | doing an apt-get install |
| 11:58.49 | dtb | is this a common problem ? |
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| 12:00.03 | GlaDiaC | Has someone a Logitech MX900, G7 or Logitech diNovo Media Desktop? |
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| 12:01.16 | inflate | hi, I have a debian server, I can access it via ssh, but I don't have the root's password, I want to install bittorrent in the server to create a tracker |
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| 12:01.22 | inflate | who can help me? |
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| 12:01.41 | Deek | Nobody. |
| 12:01.43 | antgel | inflate: root |
| 12:01.54 | Deek | Well, 'cept root. :) |
| 12:02.22 | Deek | You could maybe run it in your home dir. |
| 12:02.26 | Deek | Maybe. |
| 12:02.38 | inflate | yeah, I know without root I can't do anything, but isn't there any torrent program that can run as a normal user? |
| 12:02.42 | fireba11 | Deek: unlikely .. |
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| 12:03.22 | fireba11 | inflate: check the bittorrent server descriptions then |
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| 12:03.33 | Deek | Running on a non-reserved port, it doesn't seem impossible. :) |
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| 12:04.32 | inflate | ok, thx but can you recommend me one that can run without root permissions? |
| 12:05.02 | inflate | I tried to install 'bittorrent' found in debian repositories |
| 12:05.12 | Deek | You can't install debs. |
| 12:05.17 | inflate | I extracted the .deb and create a simple 'chroot' |
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| 12:05.51 | inflate | but I failed to run it |
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| 12:06.00 | antgel | inflate: wouldn't it be easier to ask root? and if root doesn't want it, i don't think we should assist |
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| 12:06.30 | claviceps | uhm, what port does such a bittorrent server run on? |
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| 12:06.37 | Guerin | antgel has a poiint, but it is technically possibly to just unar the thing into your homedir |
| 12:06.49 | Guerin | claviceps: bittorrent runs on an unprivileged port by default |
| 12:07.02 | Guerin | claviceps: but that's no use if the admin has firewalled it all off |
| 12:07.08 | inflate | yes, the default 'many times' is 6969 |
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| 12:07.15 | _chaos | hello,everyone!!i need help,my xmms is sarge is luan ma ,does anybody help me ? |
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| 12:07.20 | Guerin | 6881 is the standard default |
| 12:07.30 | Guerin | _chaos: what is luan ma? |
| 12:07.39 | Revie | sounds like something to eat. |
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| 12:07.42 | bomb | what is xmms sarge? |
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| 12:08.05 | Guerin | luan prabang? |
| 12:08.07 | cahoot | living up to the nick |
| 12:08.11 | bomb | hah |
| 12:08.24 | Guerin | cahoot: hasn't barked like a chicken yet |
| 12:08.30 | inflate | OK, thank you all guys for trying help me, I'll contact the server's admin and ask him to install it. |
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| 12:09.49 | Stealth_L | good day! |
| 12:09.58 | _chaos | i'm a newbie to debian ,my debian is sarge |
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| 12:10.18 | antgel | _chaos: are you a newbie to english? please ask your question in english |
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| 12:10.33 | Stealth_L | how hard is it to install debian on a G4 iBook? does it find the hardware? |
| 12:10.46 | antgel | _chaos: there are many other useful channels for other langs |
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| 12:11.02 | _chaos | sorry ,i don't know what "luan ma " in english |
| 12:11.04 | timte | Is there some nice newsletter software for the webb? (not mailman) |
| 12:11.18 | antgel | Stealth_L: how about googling debian install g4 ibook? |
| 12:11.23 | Guerin | _chaos: try describing it in other terms |
| 12:11.37 | Guerin | !tell Stealth_L about laptops |
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| 12:12.11 | Deek | man, this script is way too handy. |
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| 12:12.32 | Deek | Well, for someone who works with graphics. :) |
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| 12:14.20 | clem_yeats | when I upgrade it says that gnome-games are unused and it will be removed... though I just played Gnome Mines yesterday.. what does it look at to assume I'm not using this package ?? |
| 12:14.48 | Deek | setgamma -- you take a y=1.0 calibration image, adjust your gamma control for linear, then write the resulting values into the script. From that point, you can setgamma (a profile) and you'll get cheap-matched colors. |
| 12:14.51 | PEACEYALL` | can someone help me? I booted up my system and it boots normally but when it gets to the root checking it sas that it contains a file system with errors then checks it till 6.6% then sas Inodes that were [art of a corrupted orphan linked list found |
| 12:14.51 | clem_yeats | hi everyone by the way :) |
| 12:15.05 | PEACEYALL` | then it sas give root password for maintainence |
| 12:15.06 | antgel | clem_yeats: perhaps you've moved to aptitude? just mark the package to be kept |
| 12:15.25 | PEACEYALL` | anyone know how i can fix this |
| 12:15.30 | clem_yeats | antgel: yes, I'm using aptitude... why does it say it's not used though ? |
| 12:15.36 | nkuttler | PEACEYALL`: enter the root passwd, fsck the hd |
| 12:15.37 | antgel | PEACEYALL`: type the root password |
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| 12:15.45 | PEACEYALL` | ok |
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| 12:15.49 | PEACEYALL` | ok |
| 12:15.49 | antgel | clem_yeats: perhaps you installed it via apt-get? |
| 12:15.50 | PEACEYALL` | i type |
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| 12:15.55 | PEACEYALL` | fsck /dev/hda2 |
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| 12:15.56 | PEACEYALL` | ? |
| 12:16.03 | Deek | clem_yeats: Because it's marked "Automatically installed" and nothing depends on it. |
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| 12:16.08 | nkuttler | !tell PEACEYALL` about enter |
| 12:16.10 | clem_yeats | antgel: oh i see... ok. |
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| 12:16.21 | sward | My eyes hurt |
| 12:16.22 | Deek | hit m, I think. |
| 12:16.26 | Deek | or M |
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| 12:16.30 | Deek | One of those. :) |
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| 12:16.36 | clem_yeats | Thanks guys. |
| 12:16.40 | antgel | clem_yeats: i think it's :. but press ? for help |
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| 12:16.55 | PEACEYALL` | ok umm :/ what do i do now ? do i type fsck /dev/hda2 ? |
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| 12:17.18 | alejo | im trying to apt-get install xserver-xorg but i get unmet dep errors related to python, when i do apt-get -f install i get: a dkpg error sub-process killed by signal broken pipe (--unpack) |
| 12:17.18 | PEACEYALL` | nvm |
| 12:17.20 | tgwj | my sid xserver keeps segfaulting during starting up (updated yesterday; no update available today) |
| 12:17.21 | antgel | PEACEYALL`: will it let you type man fsck? |
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| 12:17.24 | alejo | any idea on what to do? |
| 12:17.27 | nkuttler | PEACEYALL`: if that's the drive, man fsck if you're in doubt |
| 12:17.28 | PEACEYALL` | wait |
| 12:17.30 | PEACEYALL` | i typed fsck |
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| 12:17.36 | PEACEYALL` | its fixing some inodes |
| 12:17.37 | antgel | alejo: you using unstable? |
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| 12:17.46 | nkuttler | PEACEYALL`: we know what fsck does |
| 12:17.57 | PEACEYALL` | :/ i know u do |
| 12:18.01 | omg_101sys | Damn i forgot which packet xsetbg is in. Can anybody please tell which packget xsetbg is in |
| 12:18.08 | sward | !u |
| 12:18.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:18.13 | jm_ | omg_101sys: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:18.24 | antgel | omg_101sys: apt-file |
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| 12:19.00 | alejo | antgel, i dont think so, i have added ubunto hoary main, but maybe thats deprecated now |
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| 12:19.14 | clem_yeats | oh oh ... "removing synaptic".. :) |
| 12:19.22 | antgel | alejo: if you do things like that, you're on your own |
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| 12:19.23 | tgwj | alejo, THIS IS #DEBIAN !!!! |
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| 12:19.28 | Guerin | all of ubuntu is deprecated in #debian |
| 12:19.38 | PEACEYALL` | ok umm now there were some Buffer I/O errors then it said failed to read block xxxxxxxx , (reading it resulted in a short read) ignore read? |
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| 12:19.42 | alejo | tgwj im in DEBIAN!!! |
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| 12:19.47 | PEACEYALL` | should i type yes? |
| 12:20.06 | PEACEYALL` | ii mean ignore error? not read |
| 12:20.12 | Guerin | PEACEYALL`: yeah, and go buy another disk |
| 12:20.16 | tgwj | alejo, why are you using ubuntu repos then ? mixing distros sounds dangerous |
| 12:20.25 | sward | alejo: Why the Ubuntu repositories? |
| 12:20.28 | nkuttler | PEACEYALL`: and then restore from your backups |
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| 12:20.36 | PEACEYALL` | i dont have no bacjups |
| 12:20.37 | PEACEYALL` | :/ |
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| 12:20.44 | antgel | alejo: you're not going to get any support if you do things like that. don't bother arguing |
| 12:20.47 | alejo | some page suggested that for installing xorg |
| 12:20.50 | nkuttler | PEACEYALL`: go buy 2 disks |
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| 12:20.59 | tgwj | alejo, sid includes xorg ! |
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| 12:21.06 | sward | alejo: xorg is in Etch and Sid |
| 12:21.06 | clem_yeats | do you guys do the upgrade in console or under X ? Is it advised to go to console, or it doesn't really matter.. ? |
| 12:21.10 | bomb | tgwj: so does testing |
| 12:21.10 | antgel | what is it with the internet? just encourages people to do all kinds of weird things |
| 12:21.13 | PEACEYALL` | nkuttler disk for wat? |
| 12:21.21 | tgwj | bomb, cool ;) |
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| 12:21.26 | antgel | clem_yeats: doesn't matter ime, however a purist may disagree |
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| 12:21.31 | nkuttler | PEACEYALL`: one to replace your broken one, one for backups |
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| 12:21.35 | tgwj | is someone packaging gnome 2.12 ? |
| 12:21.45 | antgel | alejo: do you even need xorg? |
| 12:21.46 | alejo | (google has a highr rank for this ubuntu method, is pretty fresh even...) |
| 12:21.55 | alejo | and yes its the worng way |
| 12:21.56 | deeLer | what's the apt command to check what version of a package is installled ? |
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| 12:21.59 | sward | tgwj: Probably |
| 12:22.02 | clem_yeats | antgel : do you restart X after an upgrade including some WM stuff or does the Start-Restart daemon takes care of that ? |
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| 12:22.13 | clem_yeats | deeLer : dpkg -l |
| 12:22.15 | sebo | q for u: There is red [security] word nere package name at packages.debian.org. Does it mean anything?? |
| 12:22.21 | alejo | antgel, will u recommend xfree86 over xorg? |
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| 12:22.37 | deeLer | thansk |
| 12:22.38 | deeLer | :) |
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| 12:22.56 | antgel | alejo: no, i recommend debian stable over a mess |
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| 12:23.08 | sward | alejo: I recommend the one that works, if they both work, I recommend stable |
| 12:23.10 | Deek | I just switched back to xfree86 from xorg |
| 12:23.21 | sebo | ...for instance at http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/php4 |
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| 12:23.46 | viper | How can I let pptpd have static ip`s for my clients ?? cuz now they are dynamic and I can`t make any links to them.. cuz when they reconnect they can have another ip |
| 12:23.47 | antgel | clem_yeats: you will probably need to restart x. depends. i don't remember last time i upgraded so can't help |
| 12:23.52 | antgel | alejo: this link? http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/01/ubuntus-xorg-on-debian-sid.html |
| 12:24.07 | sward | Of course, I'm running unstable so had to try.. but I don't whine (much) when it messes up |
| 12:24.09 | Stealth_L | Guerin: on the laptops again: The links i find on those sites (http://tuxmobil.org/apple.html) are all very old? what about modern iBooks? |
| 12:24.12 | tgwj | I read somewhere that gnome 2.12 won't go unstable before 2.10 goes testing... i dont understand why |
| 12:24.24 | clem_yeats | I read that in the weekly debian news : 17 packages have been [77]removed from the Debian |
| 12:24.24 | clem_yeats | archive during the past week: |
| 12:24.24 | clem_yeats | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.24 | clem_yeats | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.24 | clem_yeats | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:24.25 | Deek | gah, that's DD3's blog. He's a flake. |
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| 12:24.40 | antgel | Deek: who is dd3? |
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| 12:24.46 | clem_yeats | oh sorry, I didn't mean to paste that much.. |
| 12:24.49 | Deek | "Diablo-D3" |
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| 12:24.58 | antgel | Deek: yeah and? |
| 12:25.04 | clem_yeats | didn't know it was going to put the carriage returns. |
| 12:25.06 | sward | clem_yeats: A nice link would have done :) |
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| 12:25.15 | clem_yeats | well... it's an email. |
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| 12:25.25 | sebo | What does "[security]" word at http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/php4 mean?? |
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| 12:25.31 | Deek | antgel: I believe I mentioned the "flake" part. :) |
| 12:25.31 | Guerin | Stealth_L: no idea. |
| 12:25.47 | jm_ | Seb: that a security update exists for it |
| 12:25.50 | jm_ | sebo ^^^^^ |
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| 12:26.05 | sebo | uhm |
| 12:26.06 | viper | How can I let pptpd have static ip`s for my clients ?? cuz now they are dynamic and I can`t make any links to them.. cuz when they reconnect they can have another ip |
| 12:26.14 | antgel | Deek: in the uk, a flake is a chocolate bar. very 1980s. reminds me of being a kid |
| 12:26.34 | antgel | !tell viper about vague |
| 12:26.45 | zms | anyone migrated a root partion on LVM to LVM on RAID without reinstall? |
| 12:26.50 | antgel | !flake |
| 12:26.51 | Deek | antgel: In USian, it's a nouned form of "flaky" |
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| 12:26.52 | Mitzi | the crumbliest flakiest milk chocolate................ |
| 12:27.12 | viper | antgel thnx\ |
| 12:27.36 | viper | antgel but I don`t know how else to explain it |
| 12:27.39 | antgel | Deek: there's a word for that. verbs that are used as nouns. gernaud or something. |
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| 12:27.52 | antgel | viper: then you don't know what you are trying to achieve |
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| 12:28.08 | Deek | antgel: 'cept this would be an adjective. |
| 12:28.20 | alejo | antgel, it was not that link but few others..but i closed the, im looking now for the stable debian one...if i manage to find on time the sources..... |
| 12:28.25 | antgel | Deek: point. so, he's a bit of a cock then? |
| 12:28.34 | Deek | Basically. |
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| 12:28.35 | antgel | alejo: do you need xorg? |
| 12:28.52 | viper | antgel well I know what I want to achieve.. but don`t know how .. everytime a client connects.. it needs to have the same ip .. and not the first free one .. otherwise all my links will mess up |
| 12:28.54 | alejo | well i kindaa want to support them, at least installing |
| 12:29.00 | sward | !xorg sarge |
| 12:29.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 12:29.30 | antgel | viper: what links will mess up? |
| 12:29.31 | alejo | sward, thanks, i will add it |
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| 12:30.35 | viper | antgel : my network links on my windows station .. if I make a network link X: on my windows pc .. it needs to go to \\172.21.2.101\foo ... if clienst get new ips everytime they connect .. those links don`t work |
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| 12:31.22 | antgel | viper: it's the year 2005. we have dns. |
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| 12:35.45 | weasel | or in this case WINS |
| 12:35.58 | weasel | or hand out static addresses in DHCP |
| 12:36.00 | weasel | or ... |
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| 12:36.08 | antgel | weasel: i thought wins was deprecated |
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| 12:38.10 | bartden | hi, every time i run a program like limewire or azureus i get Java: command nog found |
| 12:38.24 | RichiH | bartden: then you need to install java |
| 12:38.29 | RichiH | !tell bartden about java |
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| 12:42.27 | PEACEYALL` | :/ |
| 12:42.33 | fwtest | is there any mail checker apps which support pop3s? |
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| 12:43.00 | philipp_ | what happened to #debian-newmaint? |
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| 12:43.31 | fazla | hi |
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| 12:43.43 | fazla | i installed skype and it's starting when i start X |
| 12:44.01 | fazla | how can i remove skype from X's startup ? |
| 12:44.03 | clem_yeats | fwtest: korn |
| 12:44.27 | Deek | fazla: Close it and restart X? |
| 12:44.34 | Deek | (saving the session) |
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| 12:45.05 | fwtest | clem_yeats, what about if i dont use kde? |
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| 12:45.15 | clem_yeats | fwtest : so what ? |
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| 12:45.17 | bibe | hi all. I compiled a custom kernel using 'fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image': although I have modified /etc/kernel-pkg.conf's mantainer and email values, I still get root@scratchy (my machine's hostname) in /proc/version. Should I modify something else or should I avoid using fakeroot? I know it's not a primary issue, but I only wanted to understand: does fakeroot do something as su -c "...", or "sudo ..."? |
| 12:45.28 | fazla | Deek: how will i save session ? |
| 12:45.28 | fwtest | clem_yeats, can i still use that? |
| 12:45.32 | clem_yeats | fwtest : unless you're allergic to things beginning with a k.. it should run fine. |
| 12:45.52 | Deek | fazla: Depends a great deal on what you're running. |
| 12:45.53 | fazla | i closed it many times and i restart X many times but it start when i started X already |
| 12:45.54 | alejo | in DEBIAN, what happens when apt-get -f install is unable to unpack a .deb with and error: trying to overwrite a file witch i part of the package im tryong to install (in this case python2.4-minimal) |
| 12:45.57 | clem_yeats | fwtest : it probably uses Qt and all... but it can surely be run under gnome. |
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| 12:46.06 | Dazgar1 | hi gyes |
| 12:46.10 | Dazgar1 | gys |
| 12:46.14 | Dazgar1 | grrrrr |
| 12:46.16 | Dazgar1 | guys |
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| 12:46.42 | Deek | Dazgar1: Need new keyboard, or new fingers? |
| 12:46.58 | Dazgar1 | lol |
| 12:47.08 | Dazgar1 | fingers, really |
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| 12:47.43 | kapil | yang: Back here. any success with telnetd? |
| 12:47.43 | Dazgar1 | does someones knows how to get 2 FS in sync over the network please ? |
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| 12:47.58 | Deek | Dazgar1: rsync? |
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| 12:48.06 | clem_yeats | fwtest : it's dockable in KDE but you can run it on any WM. |
| 12:48.22 | Dazgar1 | is rsync able to do realtime sync ? |
| 12:48.47 | bibe | yiyus : buen provecho! |
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| 12:48.54 | hyperstream | wtf, ive been trying all day to start a new x session . i gave up, just finished watching tv, screen saver was on moved mouse, then as i was typing in my password i got to the letter z :P and screen went black(thought oooh no gnome crashed its restarting) and i hit alt + ctrl + f7 and there was my screen i was typen a password into .... can anyone tell me why this happened or how i can repeat this ? |
| 12:49.13 | Deek | Dazgar1: Not really. |
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| 12:49.18 | Dazgar1 | i tried www.drbd.org, but i would like to knwo if a other solution exists |
| 12:49.28 | alejo | apt-get -f install is unable to correct unmet deps...can someone tell me how to remove it manually? |
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| 12:49.43 | alejo | its python semi broken |
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| 12:51.37 | Dazgar1 | an other question, is there a known date for gnome 2.12 on my cutie deb ? |
| 12:52.04 | Dazgar1 | #gnome |
| 12:52.09 | Dazgar1 | grr |
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| 12:52.44 | clem_yeats | dazgar : read the Debian weekly news... |
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| 12:52.57 | clem_yeats | dazgar : or hold on there's a link somewhere.. |
| 12:53.05 | Dazgar1 | :) |
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| 12:53.46 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 12:54.04 | clem_yeats | dazgar1: http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-09-13-19-26 |
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| 12:54.18 | Dazgar1 | cool thank you man |
| 12:54.30 | clem_yeats | de nada |
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| 12:54.47 | adaran | hi everyone. is it possible to start two seperate x-servers on a gfx card with two monitors attached? |
| 12:55.16 | Dazgar1 | clem_yeats: first sentence "We get quite some people asking this everyday" |
| 12:55.17 | Dazgar1 | lol |
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| 12:56.39 | riddley | Hi everyone |
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| 12:57.28 | clem_yeats | hi riddley |
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| 12:58.24 | riddley | I maintain a debian mirror for my organization and with the recent changes in apt 0.6 it's become a huge hassle when we try to install/upgrade packages because our mirror isn't signed. I don't know the first thing about pgp/gpg and I'd love to solve this problem. I've been looking around for a good howto, but I'm guessing dpkg 0.6 is too new for such documentation to exist. Can anyone help me out? |
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| 13:00.09 | philipp_ | riddley: you run a debian mirror on unstable? |
| 13:00.47 | riddley | no it's not the mirror that's the hassle, it's the machines who install from the mirror |
| 13:01.02 | riddley | we have a lot of machines, some woody some sarge and some unstable |
| 13:01.19 | fireba11 | riddley: though it sounds like it coul be fixed with singing the mirror .. !? |
| 13:01.33 | riddley | right. that's what I'm trying to figure out how to do. |
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| 13:02.01 | fireba11 | ah okay .. got no clue there but if someone gives tips i will try to remember them :-) |
| 13:02.31 | RvGaTe | How do i bridge a vpn interface correctly? |
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| 13:02.41 | riddley | and then if I sign the mirror, do I have to do it every time we update the mirror? if so, it seems like I should automate it, and at that point, what's the point of signing it? seems like I'd just be adding a false sense of security. |
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| 13:04.52 | boobaa | hi debian people |
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| 13:05.56 | boobaa | what do I need for writing a docbook book in lyx? document class is available but I can't get any reasonable output |
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| 13:07.03 | boobaa | it says "Cannot convert file - Error while executing sgmltools -b dvi 'filename.sgml'" |
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| 13:07.42 | GunZ | hey guys, anybody got solaris and linux working together? if so, can you tell me if I should NOT have any linux swap partitions as primary partitions, since the linux swap and solaris partition types are the same? |
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| 13:09.48 | bomb | boobaa: do you have sgml-base and sgmltools-lite installed? |
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| 13:10.15 | hyperstream | wtf, ive been trying all day to start a new x session . i gave up, just finished watching tv, screen saver was on moved mouse, then as i was typing in my password i got to the letter z :P and screen went black(thought oooh no gnome crashed its restarting) and i hit alt + ctrl + f7 and there was my screen i was typen a password into .... can anyone tell me why this happened or how i can repeat this ? |
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| 13:10.42 | boobaa | yes, both are installed and up-to-date (etch) |
| 13:11.17 | JMF | helle all :) |
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| 13:11.51 | JMF | I have a problem with MySQL |
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| 13:12.13 | JMF | I restarted my server and I cann not connect to MySQL |
| 13:12.15 | fireba11 | JMF: define problem |
| 13:12.19 | JMF | I got this message : Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost |
| 13:12.26 | fireba11 | JMF: what do your lgos say ? |
| 13:12.35 | fireba11 | logs |
| 13:12.40 | antgel | JMF: are you running stable? did you check the bts? |
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| 13:13.16 | fireba11 | bts ? |
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| 13:13.37 | antgel | !btssmite fireba11 |
| 13:13.39 | JMF | antgel: I am running Ubuntu Hoary |
| 13:13.43 | antgel | o_O |
| 13:13.48 | Guerin | . . . |
| 13:13.51 | antgel | !ubuntusmite JMF |
| 13:14.03 | antgel | still the funniest smite imo |
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| 13:14.40 | JMF | antgel: Ubuntu or Debian, I think it does not matter in this case, does it ? |
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| 13:15.02 | fireba11 | JMF: still there is #ubuntu for that |
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| 13:15.25 | fireba11 | or #mysql |
| 13:15.30 | bibe | JMF : did you restore a database backup containing mysql database? |
| 13:15.32 | antgel | JMF: if you think that, why not go through ubuntu support, oh yes it's shit and that's why ubunters turn up here |
| 13:15.34 | JMF | sure, In fact I have debian and Ubuntu boxes so sometimes I mixed my thoughts, sorry |
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| 13:16.13 | antgel | JMF: so is this a debian box or not? |
| 13:16.19 | JMF | antgel: ok ok, sorry for disturbing |
| 13:16.25 | fireba11 | JMF: still you should check your logs first |
| 13:16.27 | JMF | I am going to the right channel |
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| 13:16.59 | quiet | I'm thinking about trying to set up DebBlue bootsplash stuff... anyone have any experience with it? Is it pretty easy, just follow the docs? |
| 13:17.01 | antgel | JMF: nothing personal. 5 million people / day come here running knoppix, cygwin, windows, ubuntu, etc |
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| 13:17.14 | quiet | lol.. windows. |
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| 13:17.21 | quiet | ask Windows questions in my channel |
| 13:17.22 | boobaa | bomb: apt-get install jadetex solved this one |
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| 13:17.27 | fireba11 | antgel is there a windowssmite ? :-) |
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| 13:17.37 | antgel | !windowssmite fireba11 |
| 13:17.43 | antgel | nah |
| 13:17.46 | fireba11 | !winsmite antgel |
| 13:17.47 | fireba11 | hmm |
| 13:17.48 | bomb | boobaa: i was just reading about that package |
| 13:17.51 | bibe | JMF : before asking the right channel, try to remember if you messed up database's permissions, specifically mysql database. I think that's the problem |
| 13:17.52 | fireba11 | !xpsmite antgel |
| 13:17.52 | abrotman | !windows |
| 13:17.52 | dpkg | windows is probably PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows they don't work. |
| 13:17.52 | bomb | i was going to suggest it |
| 13:17.57 | fireba11 | ah well |
| 13:17.57 | abrotman | ok .. who changed that? |
| 13:18.17 | bomb | hey how do packages get suggested/introduced into unstable? |
| 13:18.17 | antgel | that is the worst factoid in the world |
| 13:18.18 | abrotman | ~windows |
| 13:18.19 | apt | rumour has it, windows is a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important cllection of bugs |
| 13:18.19 | nkuttler | !factinfo windows |
| 13:18.19 | dpkg | windows -- last modified at Mon Sep 5 06:53:44 2005 by nvz!n=nvz@c-24-3-200-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net; it has been requested 9 times, last by abrotman, 26s ago. |
| 13:18.22 | abrotman | that's what it used to be |
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| 13:18.29 | abrotman | nvz: why in the world! |
| 13:18.31 | antgel | bomb: read the new maintainers guide |
| 13:18.33 | boobaa | now my accents are shit; i wanna write Hungarian docs |
| 13:18.37 | JMF | fireba11: where can I find them ? |
| 13:18.37 | bomb | cheers |
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| 13:18.52 | fireba11 | JMF: should be /var/logs/mysql |
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| 13:18.58 | JMF | antgel: no problem, I understand and I should have think twice before asking :) |
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| 13:19.35 | JMF | bibe: I did not changed the permissions, all I did was a (clean) reboot of the server |
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| 13:20.55 | JMF | fireba11: the log is empty |
| 13:21.12 | fireba11 | JMF: check syslog then |
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| 13:21.40 | fireba11 | JMF: and check mysql config where the lgos go |
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| 13:21.54 | JMF | I already tried to fix the problem by removing and purging MySQL and copying the databases files over the new install but it did not worked |
| 13:22.09 | JMF | maybe it has been worst than nothing :( |
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| 13:22.36 | bibe | JMF: I had the same permission-related (debian-sys-maintainer@localhost not logging) after restoring a full dbs backup. |
| 13:23.04 | bibe | JMF: did you also restored /var/lib/mysql/mysql directory content? |
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| 13:23.25 | JMF | bibe: no, I resotred everything but that |
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| 13:23.46 | fireba11 | JMF: those are the mysql user data .. |
| 13:23.48 | JMF | fireba11: what am I looking for in the syslog ? |
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| 13:24.05 | fireba11 | JMF: so you probable just don't have the user u are trying to log in with |
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| 13:24.12 | bibe | JMF : perfect. Did you restore the directories while mysqld was running? |
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| 13:24.32 | JMF | fireba11: I know but since I think that's precisely the table that's fucked up I did not restored it |
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| 13:24.49 | JMF | bibe: no |
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| 13:25.41 | JMF | fireball: I also tried to start MySQL in skip grant mode, update the root password, flush the privileges and restart MySQL but I still have this problem |
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| 13:26.29 | abrotman | did you try asking #mysql ? |
| 13:26.46 | JMF | I am also asking there :) |
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| 13:27.18 | JMF | I do not know if it is system or MySQL related that's why I ask here too |
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| 13:28.01 | bibe | JMF : so MySQL starts when skipping grant mode. Did you try a 'SELECT * FROM mysql.user WHERE user = "debian-sys-maint"'? |
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| 13:28.16 | raghav | hi, unix2dos utility is part of which package? |
| 13:28.22 | caphuso | raghav: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:28.26 | antgel | !tell raghav about apt-file |
| 13:28.30 | fireba11 | probably mysql .. also you should find out where your mysql logs go .. ^^ |
| 13:28.45 | raghav | caphuso, thanks |
| 13:29.03 | JMF | bibe: non, I try and I come back |
| 13:29.57 | nkuttler | JMF: that could be different in ubuntu, wrong channel |
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| 13:32.30 | raghav | caphuso, i need unix2dos utility and need to install the package that contains it! its not that i already have it installed and need to find out which package owns it |
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| 13:32.35 | caphuso | raghav: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:33.19 | graytron | how do i reset my /etc/modules to how it was after debian installation? |
| 13:33.35 | antgel | graytron: why would you want to do that? |
| 13:33.42 | graytron | antgel: because i made a mistake |
| 13:34.00 | nkuttler | graytron: what mistake? |
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| 13:34.10 | antgel | graytron: this is like pulling teeth |
| 13:34.21 | gordotron | I'm having a problem getting X running - in /var/log/XFree86.0.log it's reported "(EE) No devices detected." "Fatal server error: no screens found" and the last message startx prints is "XIO fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining." |
| 13:34.40 | antgel | !tell gordotron about drxx |
| 13:34.42 | graytron | nkuttler: a mistake which requires me to find a way to reset the /etc/modules file to its original state |
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| 13:34.48 | nkuttler | gordotron: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 13:34.52 | nkuttler | hm |
| 13:35.02 | antgel | graytron: if you're going to be so vague, i don't see how anyone can help you |
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| 13:35.14 | nkuttler | graytron: the fix is to fix it |
| 13:35.20 | bartden | hi, when i select text in my xterm it shows a white block, but my foreground color is also white, how can i change the selecting color |
| 13:35.24 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 13:35.26 | graytron | nkuttler & antgel: imagine that there is currently no /etc/modules if it helps you to assist me |
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| 13:35.36 | antgel | *plonk |
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| 13:35.37 | bomb | wtf |
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| 13:35.41 | gordotron | thanks nkuttler it's a bit cryptic and I haven't been able to find anything specific with lynx |
| 13:35.45 | abrotman | graytron: so create the file .. add some modules you need .. nto a big deal |
| 13:35.47 | Deek | graytron: Then write one. |
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| 13:36.01 | nkuttler | graytron: i lost the desire to help you |
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| 13:36.07 | abrotman | graytron: many modules already get loaded by discover/hotplug |
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| 13:36.28 | nkuttler | bartden: try man xterm |
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| 13:36.59 | bartden | yeah probably its there, but dont know the exact term i am searching for , and the man is quiet big |
| 13:37.04 | graytron | abrotman: ok.. thanks for your help. i'll just remove the whole file |
| 13:37.11 | abrotman | you just said it wasn't there! |
| 13:37.13 | nkuttler | bartden: ... search for highlight? |
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| 13:37.33 | yang | does Package: linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 has ipv6 enabled? |
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| 13:37.44 | abrotman | yang: probably as a module |
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| 13:38.03 | yang | abrotman: how do i load that module |
| 13:38.03 | graytron | abrotman: yes. the original file isn't there |
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| 13:38.20 | abrotman | yang: modconf |
| 13:38.26 | abrotman | graytron: but there is a file there? |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | graytron: how did you mess up /etc/modules? |
| 13:38.41 | graytron | abrotman: yes, but its irrellevant |
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| 13:38.56 | fireba11 | ?? |
| 13:39.01 | abrotman | graytron: how did you mess up /etc/modules? |
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| 13:39.18 | bomb | graytron: not disclosing what you actually did, to try and make yourself not look like an idiot is making you look like an even bigger idiot |
| 13:39.21 | nixx | how do you use "srcinst", there is no documentation at all, and I can't make sense or the source code |
| 13:39.32 | nixx | s/or/of |
| 13:39.35 | graytron | abrotman: i copied an older modules file from another system there, i just wanted to know if it is possible to somehow get the /etc/modules file back to how it was after installation.. or how the installation system creates /etc/modules |
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| 13:39.50 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
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| 13:39.58 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 13:40.25 | abrotman | graytron: afaik .. no .. you must start from scratch .. |
| 13:40.38 | graytron | abrotman: ok. thanks. i will reinstall sarge |
| 13:40.44 | gordotron | well, it's apt-getting at the moment |
| 13:40.48 | nkuttler | graytron: ... no need to do that |
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| 13:41.04 | abrotman | what the fuck |
| 13:41.04 | DoppelGanger | 2 late |
| 13:41.12 | DoppelGanger | mwa ha ha |
| 13:41.17 | abrotman | that's just .. stupid |
| 13:41.27 | bomb | are the g*trons multiplying or what.... |
| 13:41.47 | gordotron | yeah I noticed that |
| 13:41.51 | gordotron | but I'm the original |
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| 13:42.02 | nkuttler | !win gordotron |
| 13:42.03 | gordotron | and not in any way affiliated with that one |
| 13:42.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, gordotron! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 13:42.31 | gordotron | Hahaha I don't remember buying tickets to that lottery |
| 13:42.32 | FallOnMe | Would it be possible to backup the disk, debootstrap into /dev/shm, pivot_root, recreate the RAID and restore the system back to the new device(s) without rebooting? |
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| 13:43.01 | gordotron | (I hope I didn't pay much) |
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| 13:43.35 | azeem | FallOnMe: debootstrap into /dev/shm? |
| 13:43.41 | azeem | how would that work? |
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| 13:43.54 | DoppelGanger | fairy dust |
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| 13:44.37 | FallOnMe | azeem: suffice to say it works nicely. ;-) |
| 13:44.41 | gordotron | well, dpkg's advice removed xfree86 entirely |
| 13:44.53 | nkuttler | gordotron: what did you do? |
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| 13:45.17 | FallOnMe | azeem: I even did apt-get update and installed some packages. |
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| 13:45.24 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 13:45.28 | gordotron | messaged dpkg "set up x" and followed those instructions |
| 13:45.30 | nkuttler | gordotron: that's only the first step of what dpkg told you to do |
| 13:45.42 | FallOnMe | azeem: I'm stuck with old init holding files in the old root. |
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| 13:45.49 | gordotron | how do I tell it to continue though? |
| 13:45.51 | FallOnMe | azeem: so I can't unmount it. |
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| 13:45.54 | saerdna_ | how do i mail a file to root from console? with echo "hi root" | mail root i send some text but i would like to attach a file |
| 13:46.02 | ChristianP | could anyone help me in gaining space on my / partition? |
| 13:46.11 | gordotron | it only told me that step - I messaged "..." to it and it said ". ......." back to me |
| 13:46.22 | yang | ChristianP: delete a few files |
| 13:46.23 | Deek | ChristianP: Umm, don't ask that. :) |
| 13:46.23 | ChristianP | how is it possible it is about 6 Gb? |
| 13:46.24 | nkuttler | !tell gordotron about set up x |
| 13:46.47 | FallOnMe | saerdna_: you could echo foo | mutt -a file root if you have mutt installed. |
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| 13:47.10 | ChristianP | yang, Deek i'm working and have no other space to go on! |
| 13:47.20 | ChristianP | while my /home has 9 Gb free |
| 13:47.28 | yang | ChristianP: delete files in /tmp |
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| 13:48.23 | yang | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 13:48.27 | yang | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 13:48.31 | Deek | ChristianP: du -xS | sort -nr | less will show you the biggest (in disk space) directories. |
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| 13:48.55 | gordotron | yeah I typed "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" which I've used before to no avail, but now it actually says "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is not installed" |
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| 13:49.15 | yang | gordotron: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:49.18 | nkuttler | gordotron: .... install it + mdetect + read-edid |
| 13:49.23 | bomb | gordotron: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:49.32 | nkuttler | gordotron: and x-window-system-core |
| 13:49.35 | gordotron | where it used to run a graphical configuration utility |
| 13:49.50 | ChristianP | Deek, bash: less: command not found |
| 13:49.50 | gordotron | marvelous thanks very much |
| 13:49.51 | bomb | gordotron: that's debconf, and it isn't really graphical |
| 13:50.06 | Deek | ChristianP: ok, "more" instead of "less" |
| 13:50.13 | gordotron | it's what would have once been considered graphical |
| 13:50.13 | bomb | gordotron: debconf handles lots of packages, you need to learn about debian's package management |
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| 13:50.28 | sleon | hi |
| 13:50.29 | ChristianP | Deek, 16 . |
| 13:50.29 | ChristianP | 4 ./.X11-unix |
| 13:50.30 | ChristianP | 4 ./.ICE-unix |
| 13:50.30 | ChristianP | 4 ./.font-unix |
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| 13:50.31 | gordotron | bomb I was using dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 13:50.50 | gordotron | after I'd used debconf and forgotten the debconf command |
| 13:50.50 | bomb | gordotron: debconf handles that. |
| 13:50.57 | ChristianP | sorry!!! |
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| 13:51.02 | gordotron | I learnt about dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:51.24 | ChristianP | Deek, and now? |
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| 13:51.51 | yang | I cant remove e2fsprogs ....? |
| 13:51.53 | nkuttler | ChristianP: apt-get clean, man apt-get |
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| 13:52.09 | Deek | ChristianP: You're in /tmp -- go to / |
| 13:52.15 | yang | it doesnt want to update it automatically |
| 13:52.25 | nkuttler | yang: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:52.43 | yang | nkuttler: i tried to install a new package but it gives me this error: |
| 13:52.53 | nkuttler | yang: i read the error |
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| 13:52.59 | Deek | ChristianP: Look for big numbers, see if there's one with too much stuff in it. |
| 13:53.02 | nkuttler | yang: are you using stable? |
| 13:53.04 | gordotron | geesh I shouldn't have done all of those things that dpkg suggested in one command - now I it'll take an hour to re-download xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:53.07 | G2 | can I use smbcquotas to set quotas outwith the system quotas? ie. we have a client server that is badly partitioned, but want ot enforce a limit? |
| 13:53.08 | yang | nkuttler: sid |
| 13:53.24 | nkuttler | yang: just wait a few days |
| 13:53.25 | Deek | ChristianP: also, apt-get clean |
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| 13:53.47 | Deek | ChristianP: Maybe install deborphan and look for packages you don't use. |
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| 13:54.24 | yang | nkuttler: what if i change sources to stable, and update, will then install properly? |
| 13:54.57 | nkuttler | yang: no. you're confused. you cannot mix stable and unstable. |
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| 13:57.01 | fken | hello |
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| 13:57.31 | ChristianP | Deek, thanks (du is still working!!!). I'll try deborphan |
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| 14:00.07 | fken | i need to install alsa but I first installed the latest sources manually; it worked but since the kernel update there are problems |
| 14:00.19 | fken | could someone help me |
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| 14:01.21 | grivell | fken: What kernel? |
| 14:01.25 | yang | nkuttler: i really dont wanna use sid, since its experimental, cant i use sarge there? |
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| 14:03.24 | fken | grivell: 2.6.12-1 I installed that kernel from sid sources first and now i updated it from my etch (which is my main source) |
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| 14:03.37 | antgel | fken: do you need to compile a kernel? |
| 14:04.08 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 14:04.08 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 14:04.11 | grivell | fken: So you compiled it yourself? Well, isn't alsa included in 2.6.12 ;) |
| 14:04.13 | fken | yang: it depends on your computer configuration : some hardware didnt work with sarge for me |
| 14:04.25 | darkness1 | Hi, I've just mounted win ntfs drive to my debain box using fstab. When i type mount i get /dev/hda1 <this being the win hdd, and type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev). Does this look okay? |
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| 14:04.45 | fken | antgel and grivell : no not alone |
| 14:05.02 | fken | grivell: it was a apt-get package |
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| 14:05.24 | antgel | *plonk* (i thought i did before) |
| 14:05.57 | gordotron | can I update the discover program somehow? |
| 14:05.57 | grivell | fken: alsa drivers are in 2.6.12. You also need alsa-base and alsa-utils. apt-get them. |
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| 14:06.23 | fken | abrotman : dont forget i installed the LATEST release of alsa manually from alsa.com |
| 14:06.29 | abrotman | then ask them |
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| 14:06.50 | fken | i need to erase their files and shortcut i think |
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| 14:07.49 | fken | posseidon:/home/fken# alsamixer |
| 14:07.49 | fken | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 14:08.09 | antgel | gordotron: why? |
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| 14:08.14 | fken | the apt installation may have failed |
| 14:08.27 | gordotron | because xserver-xfree86 says "No X server known for your video hardware." Either you have no video hardware installed on this machine (serial console only?), or the "discover" program was unable to determin which X server is appropriate for your video hardware. |
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| 14:08.42 | atmosphere | did you run alsaconf? |
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| 14:08.59 | antgel | gordotron: what video card do you have? |
| 14:09.16 | gordotron | my graphics card is an NVIDIA GALAXY GeFORCE 6600 GT |
| 14:09.23 | fken | abrotman: I forgot to tell you : I finally solved my GPU card problem |
| 14:09.34 | fken | gordotron : update-pciis |
| 14:09.35 | darkness1 | Is there a program for linux that will read odobe files? |
| 14:09.36 | abrotman | because nvidia sucks ? |
| 14:09.44 | gordotron | nvidia rock |
| 14:09.51 | abrotman | darkness1: gpdf,xpdf,kpdf |
| 14:09.57 | darkness1 | tks |
| 14:10.03 | antgel | gordotron: your desktop says different |
| 14:10.09 | abrotman | at least .. i assume that's what he means by odobe files |
| 14:10.34 | fken | abrotman: because i needed 1) to update-pciis 2) to erase the $ù%µ£" nvidia official driver shortcuts |
| 14:10.40 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 14:10.55 | gordotron | fken do you know the name of the pciis package that I could apt-get? |
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| 14:11.18 | fken | gordotron: strange i was sure everything was automatic... |
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| 14:11.37 | gordotron | I was too |
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| 14:11.42 | darkness1 | Tks abrotman. Say is there a way to load the file like you can using nano. eg - nano -v program_name? |
| 14:11.46 | fken | gordotron: lspci ? |
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| 14:11.51 | darkness1 | Using xpdf. |
| 14:11.59 | abrotman | darkness1: xpdf filename i would guess |
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| 14:12.04 | darkness1 | k |
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| 14:12.28 | antgel | darkness1: please type properly |
| 14:12.30 | fken | gordotron:lspci|grep VGA is better |
| 14:12.45 | gordotron | a bunch of things in the lspci list say nVidia Corporation |
| 14:13.40 | Oliver123 | I make .deb from source and codec of mplayer and I installed on Debian, but I cant start gmplayer from USER, but I can from ROOT. WHat to do , so I can run gmplaey from USER ? |
| 14:13.40 | fken | gordotron:if it says there is a Geforce 6600 then try to install nvidia from the debian installer |
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| 14:13.58 | antgel | Oliver123: you can install the packages from marillat |
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| 14:14.11 | Oliver123 | what is marillat ? |
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| 14:14.23 | antgel | !tell Oliver123 about marillat |
| 14:14.28 | fwtest | is it true if i said, everyone can use other's dns? |
| 14:15.00 | antgel | fucking hell |
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| 14:15.22 | fken | i reboot then i come back |
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| 14:15.31 | gordotron | sorry - everything in that list says nVidia corporation - no mention of a graphics card, but there are PCI bridge entries and it's a PCI-E card |
| 14:15.42 | quiet | google for debian-marillat |
| 14:15.47 | quiet | that's all you need |
| 14:15.52 | fken | gordotron : you need to erase every shorcut of NVIDIA installer if you tried to install it |
| 14:16.28 | fken | gordotron: no answer to lspci |grep VGA ???? |
| 14:16.30 | quiet | Oliver123, if you have the mariallat repo added to apt sources... that's all you need.. apt-get install wtfever |
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| 14:16.37 | FallOnMe | or /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 14:17.04 | gordotron | shortcut? - I didn't try to install it, but I did try to set x up to expect it with the "nv" driver |
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| 14:17.57 | fken | gordotron: good thing! dont try to install NVIDIA from Nvidia.com installer |
| 14:18.00 | fken | ill be back |
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| 14:18.42 | antgel | gordotron: and now you've read man nv, do you still expect it to work? |
| 14:18.42 | Oliver123 | quiet I dont have marillat . But I installed mplayer already. I compiled and everything and it works, but only from root |
| 14:19.22 | stew | Oliver123: what happens when you run as user? |
| 14:19.29 | gordotron | fken yup I just typed the commands in separately by mistake and consequently nothing happened: 0000:05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0140 (rev a2) |
| 14:19.29 | stew | Oliver123: are you in the audio group? |
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| 14:19.36 | gordotron | oh he's gone |
| 14:19.39 | gordotron | bleh |
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| 14:20.16 | gordotron | man nv? No manual entry for nv |
| 14:20.25 | zOap | is it possible to "downgrade" an app recently upgraded? |
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| 14:20.56 | stew | zOap: maybe |
| 14:20.59 | fken | i am back |
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| 14:21.05 | gordotron | welcome back fken |
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| 14:21.10 | fken | and i still have no sound |
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| 14:21.14 | fken | argh !!! |
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| 14:21.46 | Oliver123 | stew , when I run as user, it just blink some small window for a miliseconds and nothing hapendes. When I look in console it looks like mplayer shutdown, I mean it doesnt work |
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| 14:22.03 | gordotron | fken this was printed to the console: 0000:05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0140 (rev a2) |
| 14:22.17 | zOap | fken, sometimes, the silence can be just as good as sound. Maybe you should try humming on a song or something? Turn on the radio? Or just listen to all the sounds there are in total silence |
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| 14:22.22 | antgel | gordotron: the nv manpage is in the xserver-xfree86 package |
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| 14:22.25 | zOap | :D |
| 14:22.28 | fken | gordotron: you need to update-pciis |
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| 14:22.35 | antgel | Oliver123: why not just install the packages? |
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| 14:22.37 | gordotron | riight right |
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| 14:23.02 | gordotron | fken I tried typing apt-get install pciis |
| 14:23.03 | Oliver123 | antgel I installed .deb allready |
| 14:23.08 | fken | zOap: I need my 100 dB Speakers to work ! |
| 14:23.20 | antgel | Oliver123: i thought you installed your own .deb |
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| 14:23.26 | fken | gordotron: ? |
| 14:23.38 | fken | wait |
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| 14:23.42 | gordotron | and a few other miscelaneous commands to no avail, I couldn't find an update feature in pciis |
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| 14:23.57 | Oliver123 | antgel yes, my own .deb I made that package with manual for macking it |
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| 14:24.13 | zOap | fken, 100dB is to loud. You will, and I can guarantee it, ruin your ears. Be careful, our ears is one of the few things in our body which is not reparable... |
| 14:24.14 | gordotron | absolutely |
| 14:24.22 | antgel | Oliver123: well that's not fucking marillat then is it? |
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| 14:25.58 | fken | zOap: it for my neighbourhood not for me |
| 14:25.58 | zinosat_work | hi, very quick question: how do I display n-th line on a bash script? |
| 14:25.58 | zOap | fken, and believe me, you'd NOT want to listen to tinnitus for the rest of your life... |
| 14:25.58 | zOap | fken, hehe, ok |
| 14:25.58 | antgel | zinosat_work: depends how you're viewing it |
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| 14:25.59 | Oliver123 | antgel I think it is not marillat , but it works with all file types , but only on root |
| 14:26.00 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 14:26.11 | ChristianP | thanks a lot Deek. Now i have 2 Gb free!!! |
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| 14:26.13 | zinosat_work | antgel, I mean: from a bash script I want to show line n of a text file |
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| 14:26.17 | fken | so anyway everyone : whats the command of the update-pciis ? |
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| 14:26.21 | caphuso | zinosat_work: sed -n 123p |
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| 14:26.40 | fken | abrotman do you know ? |
| 14:26.41 | zOap | fken, it was not meant to lead you off track(ehrm:)), but I'm to lazy to get involved in your problemm, so I'm just rambling instead... No pun intended:) |
| 14:26.42 | stew | Oliver123: paste the output from mplayer into #flood or paster (don't paste here) |
| 14:26.50 | abrotman | know what? |
| 14:26.55 | abrotman | !pciids |
| 14:26.55 | dpkg | i guess pciids is run update-pciids or see http://pciids.sourceforge.net/, or run update-pciids to update your PCI ID database, if your lspci output shows "unknown device" |
| 14:27.05 | zinosat_work | caphuso, thanx |
| 14:27.13 | fken | abrotman thank you |
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| 14:27.23 | Oliver123 | stew may I paste you in PRIVATE ? |
| 14:27.33 | caphuso | sed -n '123{p;q}' if you're anal about performance |
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| 14:27.47 | stew | Oliver123: no, use paster or #flood |
| 14:27.51 | fken | gordotron : update-pciids |
| 14:27.51 | Oliver123 | ok |
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| 14:28.08 | fken | gordotron: write that on your terminal |
| 14:28.20 | fken | then lspci|grep VGA |
| 14:28.21 | gordotron | Done. |
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| 14:29.15 | dippo | Is there any reason you shouldn't still be able to do apt-pinning to sarge vs. woody in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 14:29.16 | fken | gordotron: is it written something like 0000:05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600] (rev a2) |
| 14:29.19 | zinosat_work | caphuso, p is fine. Have to go because irc on #debian usin the browser is impossible to use! thanx again for your help |
| 14:29.36 | dippo | i am referencing oldstable and stable, with oldstable at a higher priority, but when I add the sources for sarge and do apt-get -s upgrade it still wants to upgrade everything |
| 14:29.38 | linoleum | hello guys . I would like to know if there is a way to set up the mouse cursor , with XORG ??? because I got a problem with my mouse cursor with any user that I use |
| 14:29.40 | gordotron | 0000:05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] (rev a2) |
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| 14:29.50 | fken | gordotron perfect ! |
| 14:29.57 | gordotron | perfect? |
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| 14:29.59 | gordotron | sweet |
| 14:30.03 | antgel | linoleum: there is a way |
| 14:30.11 | fken | and now the nvidia debian installer |
| 14:30.15 | serj | hey i fucked up my apt again i cant apt-get update/upgrade/install since last upgrade |
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| 14:30.22 | serj | do you want the error msg? |
| 14:30.23 | fken | off course i dont remember the command line |
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| 14:30.32 | antgel | serj: no, i want you to use stable |
| 14:30.32 | fken | but everyone know it here |
| 14:30.43 | gordotron | Excellent, should I try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or should I try debconf? |
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| 14:30.44 | serj | it's testing |
| 14:30.49 | serj | not that bad |
| 14:30.51 | ntemp | hi, how do I restart inetd? |
| 14:30.53 | gordotron | unless it doesn't matter |
| 14:31.01 | antgel | serj: bad enough for you to fuck apt up more than once |
| 14:31.08 | serj | so you mean it's the servers that are out of sync |
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| 14:31.24 | antgel | serj: no |
| 14:31.27 | linoleum | antgel, how can I set it? at the moment, my mouse cursor is ugly, it's big , I would like to have a clean one |
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| 14:31.30 | fken | gordotron: no |
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| 14:31.39 | serj | i don't want to switch to stable |
| 14:31.42 | gordotron | alrighty |
| 14:31.45 | antgel | serj: why not? |
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| 14:32.00 | fken | what is the msg command for nvidia installer ? |
| 14:32.08 | darkcmd | hi.. I have a question about the IceWM packages in Stable, I compiled packages in Slackware and the fonts are antialiased, but the debian package looks all alaised and ugly |
| 14:32.08 | serj | cause that's the way i want it to be |
| 14:32.19 | antgel | serj: good luck *plonk* |
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| 14:32.25 | serj | jerk |
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| 14:32.32 | fken | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 14:32.40 | darkcmd | does anyone know how I can solve this problem |
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| 14:33.00 | antgel | darkcmd: you sure it's icewm-specific? |
| 14:33.00 | fken | xserver-xorg if you have xorg |
| 14:33.18 | mwilson | fken: And what's that supposed to do for him? |
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| 14:33.32 | gordotron | nope I have xserver-xfree86 (is x.org something I should try? is it a window manager?) |
| 14:33.37 | fken | mwilson: install its nvidia gpu |
| 14:33.44 | darkcmd | well.. I installed everything on the sarge disks, and it isn't working correctly, it seems to look a bit ugly |
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| 14:34.04 | mwilson | darkcmd: How is it not working correctly, though? |
| 14:34.05 | antgel | darkcmd: that doesn't answer the question |
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| 14:34.16 | flok420 | when creating a package: what can I do so that I don't need root-access? it seems to do make install and that needs root. but when it goes signing the .deb it needs my user to reach the keyrings and such |
| 14:34.16 | zOap | gordotron, ehrm, xfree and xorg is the display server... what gives life to the wm... |
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| 14:34.31 | drac | gordotron: x.org is better and faster replacement for xfree86 but.. first.. get your xfree86 working before you even think about it. |
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| 14:34.43 | zOap | gordotron, xfree is btw on it's way out.. but it is still my favorite.. |
| 14:34.45 | gordotron | riight right thank you |
| 14:34.45 | darkcmd | mwilson: antialiasing isn't working.. I gather that possibly it wasn't compiled into the Debian packags |
| 14:34.49 | darkcmd | package |
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| 14:35.01 | darkcmd | is it possible that compiling my own icewm package would solve the problem? |
| 14:35.04 | fken | i guess ... one message seems to be missing in my dpkg logs... |
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| 14:35.23 | mwilson | darkcmd: Whatever that's supposed to mean... is it configured to use an anti-aliased font? Did you look? |
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| 14:35.44 | darkcmd | the antialiasing options do not change anything |
| 14:35.48 | darkcmd | and I have them selected |
| 14:35.52 | fken | gordotron: tell us if everything works |
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| 14:37.11 | mwilson | Whoops... broke my own rule there. Got involved in someone breaking X. |
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| 14:39.52 | gordotron | well it's downloading a kernel at the moment |
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| 14:40.07 | fken | ok |
| 14:40.13 | fken | oups |
| 14:40.18 | fken | i forgot one thing |
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| 14:40.23 | gordotron | you're all fantastically knowledgable - I hope I can be of use to someone here eventually |
| 14:40.28 | gordotron | oh yeah? |
| 14:40.51 | fken | gordotron : i think you need to run sid if you are using an amd64 |
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| 14:41.07 | gordotron | I am using an amd64 |
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| 14:41.22 | pro | guys what do i use to get photos off a motorola C650 phone, i got the cable, what do i use? |
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| 14:41.39 | gordotron | amd64 k8 with hyperthreading specifically |
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| 14:41.47 | antgel | pro: plug it in for starters and tell us what syslog says |
| 14:41.55 | pro | i see it when i plug it in with usb (in the devices under /proc) |
| 14:41.58 | abrotman | k8 doesn't have HT |
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| 14:42.31 | fken | abrotman : hum hum not really |
| 14:42.31 | abrotman | no .. it doesn't |
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| 14:42.37 | pro | antgel, a lot of stuff, must i paste in #flood? |
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| 14:42.58 | fken | abrotman : with k8 HT means HyperTransport but its not hyperthreading |
| 14:42.58 | mwilson | Feh... the right button on my mouse is dying |
| 14:43.00 | antgel | !tell pro about paster |
| 14:43.06 | gordotron | sid == unstable? |
| 14:43.08 | fireba11 | gordotron: whatever amd64 k8 with HT is supposed to be |
| 14:43.08 | antgel | mwilson: thrilling |
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| 14:43.15 | antgel | !tell gordotron about releases |
| 14:43.21 | fken | gordotron: i am using an amd64 k8 nforce 4 too |
| 14:43.27 | Oliver123 | PEOPLE , WHAT IS MARILLAT ??? I read everything on ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html And I cant understand what marillat realy is ? |
| 14:43.36 | fken | gordotron:so update your apt sources.list |
| 14:43.36 | abrotman | k8 is athlon64/opteron .. it's either true dual core or SMP, not that fake crap HT |
| 14:43.48 | petemc | !tell Oliver123 about marillat |
| 14:43.57 | abrotman | fken: read what he said .. he said hyperthreading .. |
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| 14:44.00 | fken | change stable or testing or sarge or etch TO unstable |
| 14:44.04 | antgel | petemc: he's already been told, more than once |
| 14:44.08 | fken | only for that command line |
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| 14:44.25 | petemc | antgel: maybe he needs it a few times to sink in properly |
| 14:44.32 | fken | abrotman : i know ... but you answered HT :P |
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| 14:44.54 | abrotman | fken: because he fucking said HyperThreading! .. |
| 14:44.54 | Zugschlus | Hm. my apache2 doesn't have an ssl link in /etc/apache/mods-enabled. Which script is responsible to build that link? I suspect that is a debconf issue? |
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| 14:45.01 | pro | antgel, http://channels.debian.net/paste/709 it sees the modem, i want to get the photos off |
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| 14:45.23 | fken | abrotman: pffff smile ! |
| 14:45.27 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: jsut make oen if you want that mod |
| 14:45.36 | fken | abrotman:i was kidding ! |
| 14:45.42 | abrotman | right |
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| 14:45.51 | Zugschlus | fireba11: there is surely a funky interface to do that automatically |
| 14:46.01 | fken | gordotron:once its updated please do update |
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| 14:46.11 | antgel | pro: don't like the error in lines two and three. perhaps that's the usb mass storage side of things and it's not working. or perhaps not. |
| 14:46.16 | natcity | Anyone know of a dyn-ip service that the client will run on *nix? |
| 14:46.18 | fken | gordotron:DONT DO ANY UPGRADE |
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| 14:46.26 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: not that i know of .. just make a symlign from apache/mods-installed to apache/mods-enabled |
| 14:46.33 | fireba11 | symlink |
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| 14:46.41 | fken | gordotron:then try the nvidia onliner |
| 14:46.43 | Zugschlus | fireba11: thanks for trying to help |
| 14:46.53 | pro | antgel, it mounts my ipod and usb flash just fine? |
| 14:46.54 | Zugschlus | the correct answer would have been "man update-apache2-modules" |
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| 14:47.05 | gordotron | so apt-get update NOT apt-get upgrade? |
| 14:47.13 | fken | no |
| 14:47.19 | fken | apt-get update |
| 14:47.22 | natcity | Hmm what options do I have if I want windows and linux on same machine, being able to access both at same time? |
| 14:47.23 | fken | only lol |
| 14:47.32 | Zugschlus | gordotron: nowadays, it is recommended to use aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 14:47.40 | sanxiyn | natcity: Being able to... without reboot? |
| 14:47.53 | natcity | yah I do not want to dual boot. |
| 14:47.54 | gordotron | right ok |
| 14:48.01 | fken | Zugschlus: i advice what i know |
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| 14:48.06 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: lol .. if i need something i just make a symlink ..no need for fancy interface :-) |
| 14:48.09 | sanxiyn | natcity: Then you need to emulate one of OSes. |
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| 14:48.32 | fireba11 | natcity: VMware or something ^^ |
| 14:48.35 | fken | gordotron:then run apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:48.36 | antgel | pro: i mean a problem on the phone. i'm guessing that the phone uses usb mass storage. but maybe not. have you googled? does the phone save onto a card which you can read with a card reader? |
| 14:48.38 | sanxiyn | natcity: Both Linux-emulated-on-Windows and Windows-emulated-on-Linux works well. |
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| 14:48.46 | sanxiyn | natcity: See also coLinux. |
| 14:49.12 | sanxiyn | A legal case involving GPL is in progress in Korea. |
| 14:49.12 | Zugschlus | fireba11: Cool. |
| 14:49.14 | FallOnMe | natcity: vmware ($$$), qemu (alpha quality, but free), win4lin ($$$), coLinux. |
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| 14:49.16 | pro | antgel, tring google, but not sure what to look for, and there is no flash that i know of ( guy at works phone) |
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| 14:49.29 | gordotron | module-assistant error message: Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. |
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| 14:49.36 | sanxiyn | FallOnMe: Qemu is far from alpha quality, if you run Linux on it. |
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| 14:49.49 | sanxiyn | FallOnMe: Of course, running Windows on it is a different matter. |
| 14:49.59 | wiegehts | why not dual boot? |
| 14:50.09 | sanxiyn | wiegehts: Because it's inconvinient. |
| 14:50.11 | fken | gordotron: uh ? dont you chage your apt sources.list ? |
| 14:50.34 | gordotron | using apt-get update? |
| 14:50.46 | fken | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.46 | gordotron | not yet - I just installed debian the night before last |
| 14:50.47 | FallOnMe | sanxiyn: far better, or? ;-) |
| 14:50.58 | sanxiyn | FallOnMe: Very mature for running Linux. |
| 14:51.04 | stew | gordotron: do you have contrib and non-free in sources.list? |
| 14:51.13 | fireba11 | natcity: VMware 5.5 beta is free for 3 months though |
| 14:51.23 | natcity | yah?.. |
| 14:51.23 | fken | then add deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 14:51.28 | drc | sanxiyn: it would be a good thing to keep in mind that there is south and north korea, althought everyone knows which one do you mean, but still. |
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| 14:51.37 | fken | and add #deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 14:51.43 | FallOnMe | sanxiyn: I haven't booted Windows in a long time, so I haven't tried qemu there. Good to know it's usable. |
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| 14:51.43 | fken | without the # |
| 14:51.48 | sanxiyn | drc: South Korea. |
| 14:51.48 | gordotron | nope |
| 14:51.49 | gordotron | neither of those |
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| 14:52.11 | fken | gordotron:write them ! |
| 14:52.11 | antgel | gordotron: have you read the install guide and Reference? |
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| 14:52.50 | sanxiyn | Seoul District court ruled and denied GPL on the sentence. |
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| 14:53.00 | abrotman | gordotron: did oyu install pure64 sarge or 32bit ? |
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| 14:53.26 | sanxiyn | GNU Korea and FSF is discussing what to do next. |
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| 14:54.02 | fireba11 | sanxiyn: did i just understand correctly that GPL is useless in south korea right now ? |
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| 14:54.33 | fken | abrotman: oh nice question! i should have thought of ask that... |
| 14:54.34 | sanxiyn | fireba11: Perhaps not immediately, but it could be... |
| 14:54.47 | fireba11 | sanxiyn: no good ... |
| 14:54.58 | abrotman | fken: yes .. *before* you just potentially destroyed his box |
| 14:55.03 | sanxiyn | Here's the sentence I am talking about in Korean and in scanned form: |
| 14:55.03 | sanxiyn | http://korea.gnu.org/gv/sentence.html |
| 14:55.08 | sanxiyn | (No English translation, sorry.) |
| 14:55.15 | tictac | Hi, does anybody know if it is possible to mount the Sarge DVD isos, on my hd and via a loop device, so I don't have to keep putting discs in to install packages. Or is there a much simpler way like just unpakcing the directories and pointing apt at them. |
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| 14:55.29 | abrotman | tictac: you should be able to |
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| 14:55.37 | sanxiyn | This is my translation: http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/tmp/sentence |
| 14:55.38 | Zugschlus | anybody knows about CA.pl? How do I create a certificate that doesn't require a password to be entered on server startup? |
| 14:55.46 | antgel | tictac: does apt-cdrom not work? |
| 14:55.46 | fireba11 | tictac: just use web sources for apt-get |
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| 14:56.00 | antgel | tictac: ah, ignore me, i see what you mean |
| 14:56.00 | abrotman | Zugschlus: make-ssl-cert .. and read the openssl faq |
| 14:56.56 | Zugschlus | abrotman: I have always used CA.pl. But I seem to have forgotten how to properly use it |
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| 14:57.03 | fken | abrotman : but if he tried 32bits it would be a strange choice because 32bits installation dont pass the setup screen for me and we have the same hadware |
| 14:57.05 | abrotman | Zugschlus: make-ssl-cert |
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| 14:57.13 | Zugschlus | abrotman: well, thanks for not helping |
| 14:57.14 | abrotman | fken: maybe .. maybe not |
| 14:57.23 | gordotron | sorry it took a moment to type that out (I'll learn to copy/paste in bitchx later if it's possible) |
| 14:57.27 | abrotman | Zugschlus: i did help .. you don't like it .. then wait for someone else's help |
| 14:57.37 | antgel | Zugschlus: no need to be fucking rude. what is the cert for? |
| 14:57.40 | abrotman | Zugschlus: and ACTUALLY .. i did tell you how to remove the password |
| 14:57.41 | fken | gordotron: are you using a 64bits release of debian ? |
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| 14:57.48 | gordotron | yup |
| 14:57.49 | gordotron | well |
| 14:57.51 | fken | ouf |
| 14:57.53 | abrotman | but you probably didn't read what i said .. like a typical lazy person |
| 14:57.57 | antgel | !tell gordotron about enter |
| 14:58.00 | tictac | fireba11: the thing is I don't know how apt get knows where to look |
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| 14:58.23 | antgel | tictac: i strongly suggest you read the manual. i.e. the debian reference and the apt howto |
| 14:58.31 | fken | gordotron: so have you done everything i told you ? |
| 14:58.34 | gordotron | thank you |
| 14:58.39 | abrotman | gordotron: 32bit or pure64 ? |
| 14:58.42 | gordotron | I think so |
| 14:58.48 | gordotron | 64 bit |
| 14:58.49 | antgel | jesus |
| 14:58.50 | fireba11 | ticta: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:58.51 | stew | gordotron: do you have non-free and contrib sources? |
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| 14:58.58 | abrotman | tictac: apt-setup |
| 14:59.03 | tictac | antgel: okay, just wanted to check I wasn't crazy before starting :) |
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| 14:59.26 | antgel | tictac: you won't find out if you're crazy in here |
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| 14:59.53 | Zugschlus | Reason for not wanting to use ssl-cert: Package completely unmaintained, debconf abuse (open since 1 year 227 days), open translation bugs for over a year, bug reports filed by myself 258 days ago completely unreplied. That's what I call an unmaintained package. |
| 15:00.02 | fken | stew i gave him my source with contrib and sources |
| 15:00.03 | gordotron | 2.6.11-amd64-k8-smp |
| 15:00.12 | fken | non free i meant |
| 15:00.23 | gordotron | thanks stew fken already helped me with that |
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| 15:01.11 | tictac | antgel: hehe, I have gone down some long windy roads before, I'll dig into the manuals then, at least it's feasible right? |
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| 15:01.18 | antgel | Zugschlus: great. what do you want the cert for? |
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| 15:01.34 | fken | so to sum up : update-pciids then add the two line i gave you in the sources.list then update then nvidia-onliner |
| 15:01.36 | Zugschlus | antgel: A test https server |
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| 15:01.49 | antgel | tictac: yes. as abrotman said, apt-setup. you'll get good help here if you have read the docs first |
| 15:01.55 | Zugschlus | I have a demoCA built with CA.pl |
| 15:02.00 | Zugschlus | but have not used in a long time |
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| 15:02.09 | us | wtf! I love Debian. I'm trying to fall back to testing in hopes of keeping up to date AND stable enough for desktop workstaion use WITH the new security updates. Several packs are marked for upgrade and apt-list bugs has PAGES of errors and conflicts. Is it not possible to fall to testing? |
| 15:02.09 | Zugschlus | and need to be retrained ;) |
| 15:02.09 | petemc | Zugschlus: its easy enough to remove a password with the openssl binary |
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| 15:02.15 | antgel | Zugschlus: i have something in my twiki, hold on |
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| 15:02.59 | antgel | /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl -newreq creates it, /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl -sign signs it |
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| 15:03.34 | tictac | antgel: will do :) |
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| 15:04.06 | antgel | Zugschlus: when you sign it, you need to enter the CA passphrase |
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| 15:04.33 | Zugschlus | antgel: CA.pl -newreq asks for a PEM pass phrase |
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| 15:04.44 | Zugschlus | and won't accept anything shorter than 4 chars |
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| 15:04.54 | fken | gordotron: is it alright ? |
| 15:04.56 | antgel | Zugschlus: to remove the passphrase, use openssl rsa -in key.pem -out key_nopp.pem |
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| 15:05.12 | antgel | Zugschlus: you create it with one, then remove it. that's what i've always done |
| 15:05.17 | marco_ | hi |
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| 15:05.27 | Zugschlus | antgel: thanks. I don't remember that step thogh :-/ |
| 15:05.28 | yang | I am trying to install new kernel-image but I got this error: |
| 15:05.30 | yang | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
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| 15:05.34 | yang | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
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| 15:05.53 | Zugschlus | must be some funky new CA.pl config option. I desperately need a better CA software |
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| 15:06.18 | CrocoJet | does anyone knows where I can find "libatk1.9.0" and "libperl5.8.7" at "ftp://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/pool/main" ? |
| 15:06.20 | kementeus | today I'm very sad with apt |
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| 15:06.39 | kementeus | I guess it is a silly stuff uninstall a package |
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| 15:06.54 | kementeus | If I have apache2 running, and I made apt-get remove apache2 |
| 15:07.08 | kementeus | Apache2 stills running, even serving pages |
| 15:07.08 | nkuttler | yang: google it |
| 15:07.33 | kementeus | and If I try to remove the package apt says to me that it is uninstalled :( |
| 15:07.44 | kementeus | there is something I'm missing with apt??? |
| 15:07.45 | Zugschlus | kementeus: apache2 is only a virtual package pulling in the real server |
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| 15:08.00 | Zugschlus | kementeus: try removing apache2-common which will then remove the real server as well |
| 15:08.04 | kementeus | so, if I do apt-get remove apache2 it doesn't work |
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| 15:08.26 | Zugschlus | kementeus: aptitude remove apache2 will remove an empty package but leave the real server intact |
| 15:08.28 | kementeus | I guess (following your answer) that I would need to remove each packages |
| 15:08.31 | kementeus | right? |
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| 15:08.42 | Zugschlus | kementeus: try removing apache2-common. |
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| 15:08.53 | Zugschlus | no, that won't work |
| 15:08.56 | nkuttler | kementeus: or apache2* |
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| 15:09.06 | Zugschlus | kementeus: yes, you need to manually remove all apache2 packages |
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| 15:09.33 | Zugschlus | (again, using aptitude would excel since aptitude keeps notice which package was installed as a dependency and automatically removes packages nothing depends on any more) |
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| 15:09.42 | yang | nkuttler: its a dangerous procedure...removes essential packages |
| 15:09.51 | nkuttler | yang: then don't do it |
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| 15:09.59 | nkuttler | yang: did you check the bts? |
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| 15:10.08 | yang | nkuttler: but, i cant install otherwise |
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| 15:10.25 | nkuttler | yang: you're running sid, it's not supposed to work all the time |
| 15:10.26 | Fox_1_ | anyone know good email extractor from web? |
| 15:10.27 | necroshine | I've updatet my nautilus yesterday and now I have very very small fonts in nautlius's icon view. All other fonts look ok. How can I fix this? |
| 15:10.32 | nkuttler | yang: /msg dpkg bts, /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 15:10.41 | antgel | !tell Fox_1_ about vague |
| 15:10.43 | nkuttler | Fox_1_: email extractor? |
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| 15:10.48 | kementeus | Zugschlus: so, it would be enough to type: apt-get remove apache2-common |
| 15:10.49 | kementeus | right? |
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| 15:11.05 | Darxus | "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." how do I get a list of my held packages with aptitude ? |
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| 15:11.19 | WolF[AFK] | yo |
| 15:11.24 | sanxiyn | Tell me, what do Dalai Lama and James Gosling have in common? |
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| 15:11.27 | antgel | Darxus: run aptitude interactively and press ? for help |
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| 15:11.54 | Zugschlus | kementeus: no, I was wrong. you need to manually remove all apache2 packages |
| 15:12.00 | nkuttler | sanxiyn: they have nothing to do with debian? |
| 15:12.04 | Fox_1_ | antgel: :))))))))))))))))))))))))) you are right :))))))))))) |
| 15:12.08 | LordWolF | whats the difference of i386, PPC, Alpha and Sparcs? |
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| 15:12.10 | blackspider | Hi all. |
| 15:12.11 | yang | nkuttler: well i said i want to downgrade to sarge from sid |
| 15:12.16 | LordWolF | on the deabin cds? |
| 15:12.18 | sanxiyn | LordWolF: They are different. |
| 15:12.21 | LordWolF | debian |
| 15:12.23 | nkuttler | yang: you can't |
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| 15:12.25 | LordWolF | ohhh |
| 15:12.32 | Fox_1_ | nkuttler: i need lots of emails from some domain. |
| 15:12.36 | Caelum | nkuttler: he's a spammer who wants to harvest email addresses from web pages |
| 15:12.45 | nkuttler | ah |
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| 15:12.46 | blackspider | I want to reinstall debian, but i need USB WLAN support with DHCP (it is working now), can i load a module or something? |
| 15:12.48 | abrotman | yang: that's not a downgrade .. and downgrades aren't possible |
| 15:12.49 | LordWolF | sanxiyn witch one do you recommend me |
| 15:12.52 | LordWolF | for a normal user? |
| 15:12.58 | antgel | is it sunday today? |
| 15:13.06 | sanxiyn | LordWolF: You should get the correct one for your computer. |
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| 15:13.14 | sanxiyn | LordWolF: For PCs, it's i386. |
| 15:13.19 | antgel | blackspider: if that module is in the install kernel, yes |
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| 15:13.22 | abrotman | Fox_1_: you're in the wrong channel for that |
| 15:13.25 | LordWolF | ok |
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| 15:13.29 | LordWolF | so macintosh is ppc |
| 15:13.32 | blackspider | antgel: It is not =) |
| 15:13.33 | fken | i am worrying for gordotron ; I hope he know how to come back to its previous configuration without xserver |
| 15:13.36 | sanxiyn | LordWolF: Yes. |
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| 15:13.36 | Fox_1_ | abrotman: why? |
| 15:13.42 | nkuttler | LordWolF: not necessarily |
| 15:13.43 | abrotman | Fox_1_: because you are |
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| 15:13.51 | abrotman | Fox_1_: what is this channel about? |
| 15:13.54 | kapil | o |
| 15:13.56 | LordWolF | ok |
| 15:14.05 | sanxiyn | Okay, reportedly, Intel Mac is coming. |
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| 15:14.07 | tezra | anyone expert with spreadsheets like gnumeric or openoffice can private msg me? |
| 15:14.14 | kementeus | ok, any way to get what packages a virtual package provides? |
| 15:14.15 | nkuttler | there's 68k as well |
| 15:14.19 | dabaR | whats the command to open a new window for login using xnest again? |
| 15:14.20 | abrotman | tezra: noone will msg you .. ask in here |
| 15:14.20 | antgel | tezra: someone will soon |
| 15:14.21 | sanxiyn | tezra: What kind of expertise you're looking for |
| 15:14.28 | kapil | ?yang |
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| 15:14.39 | antgel | kementeus: apt-cache show |
| 15:14.48 | sanxiyn | nkuttler: Oh, true. |
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| 15:14.56 | tezra | sanxiyn, someone that can help me understand why the heck these spreadsheets dont understand certain patterns than 5 year old kids would |
| 15:15.12 | sanxiyn | tezra: Be more specific. |
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| 15:15.49 | antgel | !wednesday |
| 15:15.49 | dpkg | [wednesday] see thursday |
| 15:15.49 | Fox_1_ | abrotman: about debian. and debian has 15490 packages. |
| 15:15.53 | tezra | sanxiyn, for example -->Pattern: 3,2,3,2,3,32 -> 4,2,4,2,4,2,4,2, 5,2,5,2,5,2,5,2,5,2 <-- and the next pattern they think it is -> 6,5,6,5,6,5,6,5... |
| 15:16.02 | abrotman | Fox_1_: apt-cache search <your terms> |
| 15:16.26 | medical | Helo |
| 15:16.28 | nkuttler | Fox_1_: you still haven't told us what you're trying to do |
| 15:16.31 | tezra | its difficult to explain in other way |
| 15:16.34 | LordWolF | im checking this version of debian Debian 3.0r4 i see it have 7 cd do i need those 7 cds? or can i download the updates using the apt-get? |
| 15:16.39 | blackspider | hi medical |
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| 15:16.42 | dvs | LordWolF: That's old |
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| 15:16.47 | LordWolF | ohh |
| 15:16.48 | nkuttler | tezra: doesn't look like something a spreadsheet does to me |
| 15:16.49 | LordWolF | mmm |
| 15:16.56 | LordWolF | ok let me get the new ones then |
| 15:16.57 | tezra | LordWolF, you never need so many cd's, but sarge (debian 3.1 is already available) |
| 15:16.59 | ma3x | hi |
| 15:17.06 | nkuttler | LordWolF: /msg dpkg install debian |
| 15:17.07 | ma3x | can someone help me with ndiswrapper and PCMCIA? |
| 15:17.13 | antgel | LordWolF: why don't you read documentation? |
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| 15:17.28 | abrotman | nkuttler: he's rtying to swipe email addresses from websites .. now ..for what purpose .. he hasn't said |
| 15:17.36 | sanxiyn | "You should read the install guide" haha. |
| 15:17.38 | tezra | nkuttler, for example, if you place in the same colum, 1, right bellow, 2, right bellow 3, and you drag, it will place 4 right under it |
| 15:17.38 | blackspider | How can i remove all packages beginning with "temp" |
| 15:17.39 | blackspider | ? |
| 15:17.41 | sanxiyn | Do users read the manual. |
| 15:17.43 | nkuttler | abrotman: well i'm not sure it's that what he tries |
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| 15:17.51 | medical | Hello blackspider, I have a problem with the installation of debian sarge, could you help me ? |
| 15:17.56 | blackspider | yes of course |
| 15:18.01 | ma3x | hello |
| 15:18.02 | tezra | nkuttler, im trying to do the same, but references are to several cells and multiplying and adding values |
| 15:18.15 | nkuttler | tezra: try #openoffice or #gnumeric |
| 15:18.18 | Fox_1_ | nkuttler: i know one free mail server. and i want to get users names. |
| 15:18.19 | Darxus | antgel: I don't see how to get a list of held packages, it isn't one of the categories in the main screen, does that mean I don't actually have any ? |
| 15:18.28 | sanxiyn | blackspider: apt-get remove 'temp-*' |
| 15:18.31 | tezra | nkuttler, yeap, im on them, they're empty :( oh well |
| 15:18.36 | tezra | thx anyways :) |
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| 15:18.40 | nkuttler | Fox_1_: doesn't sound like something we can help you with |
| 15:18.43 | blackspider | sanxiyn: Hm, thanks |
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| 15:18.49 | gordotron | that was weird |
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| 15:19.23 | ma3x | why when I do 'rmmod ndiswrapper' it says: FATAL: Error removing ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 15:19.24 | antgel | Darxus: if you look in the aptitude help as requested by me, you'll see what the b key does |
| 15:19.25 | blackspider | sanxiyn: Doesn't work |
| 15:19.26 | ma3x | why is the device busy? |
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| 15:19.28 | ma3x | what's using it? |
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| 15:19.37 | flub | galeon and apache: phpmyadmin works, my own page gives me "application/x-httpd-php". in firefox my page works. anyone recognise this problem? |
| 15:19.46 | sanxiyn | blackspider: Works for me. |
| 15:19.47 | blackspider | sanxiyn: I do "apt-get remove 'kde-*'" and there are still packages beginning with kde |
| 15:19.52 | gordotron | (I hope no-one said anything to me since I last spoke) |
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| 15:20.00 | nkuttler | ma3x: lsmod and look at the output |
| 15:20.00 | sanxiyn | blackspider: Perhaps apt-get remove 'kde*' |
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| 15:20.09 | sanxiyn | (without hyphen) |
| 15:20.13 | nkuttler | !remove kde |
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| 15:20.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 15:20.14 | blackspider | sanxiyn: Nope, already tried that |
| 15:20.16 | medical | ok, my problem is with the ADSL installation, I have a connection to Internet via Ethernet card, and run the pppoeconf to configuare this connection. The result is pppoeconf said that is another pppoeconf running. Do you have any suggestion ? |
| 15:20.22 | sanxiyn | blackspider: Again, works for me. |
| 15:20.34 | blackspider | hm |
| 15:20.43 | nkuttler | medical: is another one running? |
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| 15:20.59 | medical | no |
| 15:21.10 | cr3 | how can I echo something into a file writable by root as a normal user with sudo? I tried something like this but it doesn't work: sudo (echo foo > file) |
| 15:21.22 | abrotman | nkuttler: see .. that doesn't sound so kosher |
| 15:21.34 | Darxus | antgel: ah, I was looking to specifically for things related to held packages, thanks |
| 15:21.50 | gordotron | lspci|grep VGA |
| 15:21.53 | gordotron | woops |
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| 15:22.48 | blackspider | > Is it possible to load a module from floppy on debian installation? |
| 15:22.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:22.54 | blackspider | > Or after it |
| 15:22.57 | clem_yeats | Hi my resolution is fine in Gnome but twisted in GDM.. which config file shall I look at ? |
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| 15:22.59 | cyberWhiz | cr3: su (echo foo > file) -- you will have to type in the root password |
| 15:23.02 | nkuttler | abrotman: i'm not sure, but he definitely can not or does not want to express what he wants |
| 15:23.05 | blackspider | Yes of course, after it would be fine! |
| 15:23.06 | blackspider | :D |
| 15:23.08 | medical | the ethernet was installed ok, is a SYS900 on board card, and when unplug the cable, debian recognize this action. |
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| 15:24.04 | The_ritz | has anyone used mimedefang here |
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| 15:24.47 | yang | I can login over telnet without password supplied, how can i fix that? |
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| 15:25.06 | gordotron | hey man nv says "nv" doesn't support my card, they mention every card up until NV38, but not NV43 |
| 15:25.12 | stew | yang: apt-get remove telnetd |
| 15:25.13 | ircdevil | yang: close telnet |
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| 15:25.13 | masoft | yang, stop the Telnet and start SSHD :D |
| 15:25.17 | cr3 | cyberWhiz: isn't there a way to do it with sudo, other than: sudo su ... |
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| 15:25.28 | stew | yang: did you muck around in /etc/pam.d ? are you sure? |
| 15:25.28 | yang | no, i need telnet |
| 15:25.32 | gordotron | hey, "man nv" says* |
| 15:25.41 | masoft | yang, why not ssh ? |
| 15:25.44 | ircdevil | yang: you need to run the server and the client? |
| 15:25.56 | yang | yes, both |
| 15:26.04 | cyberWhiz | cr3: im trying it now -- i dont know off the top of my had |
| 15:26.07 | stew | yang: yes to what? did you mess with pam? |
| 15:26.07 | cr3 | cyberWhiz: actually, sudo sh -c |
| 15:26.11 | yang | stew: i tried to setup ldap, maybe that changed something |
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| 15:26.29 | bob2 | yang: no, you do not need to run a telnet server |
| 15:26.30 | cr3 | cyberWhiz: there might be a better solution though, I'm still thinking. |
| 15:26.34 | ircdevil | yang: *sigh* - install windows and bugger off |
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| 15:26.51 | ircdevil | !beer bob2 |
| 15:26.52 | stew | ircdevil: that's uncalled for |
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| 15:27.24 | medical | hey, anyone can gimme an answer? |
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| 15:27.36 | crazytaxzi | hey guys... what program do i need to get to watch *.mov's? |
| 15:27.45 | yang | stew: which file in pam.d should i check? |
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| 15:28.06 | bob2 | crazytaxzi: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 15:28.12 | crazytaxzi | thank you |
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| 15:28.23 | nkuttler | medical: did you rean the man page? there might be a lock file or something |
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| 15:28.51 | kapil | yang: try to create a login shell using xterm -ls or bash --login |
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| 15:29.06 | grendal_prime | is there a way to play an swf in a console? |
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| 15:29.37 | stew | yang: i'm honestly not that great with pam, but you hsould have a /etc/pam.d/telnet ; it should have a auth required line and an account required line, or it should include common-auth and common-account |
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| 15:29.51 | yang | kapil: welcome back. |
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| 15:30.05 | medical | any one else with problems in the installation Sarge with ADSL ? |
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| 15:30.13 | sanxiyn | grendal_prime: Ask Macromedia. |
| 15:30.14 | gordotron | ok - so I see NV43 is supported in the new version of the "nv" driver - does anyone know how I can update the "nv" driver? |
| 15:30.15 | kapil | grendal_prime: no. But there is a flashplayer which works outside the browser. |
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| 15:30.21 | nkuttler | medical: did you google the error? |
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| 15:30.54 | ircdevil | medical: /m dpkg smart questions |
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| 15:31.02 | buht-work | hey guys, does anyone know of any small utlities i can use to put some cpu usage on my debian machine? i need to do some performance testing but the cpu usage on the machine is minimal.. i need toput a load on the server to slow it down purposely |
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| 15:31.43 | clem_yeats | buht-work : KDE :) |
| 15:31.46 | buht-work | lol |
| 15:31.47 | caphuso | when the client caches a bad version |
| 15:31.48 | buht-work | it runs kde |
| 15:31.59 | kapil | yang: IIRC you had a problem that you could check the behaviour of "login yang" as you weren't in a login shell. |
| 15:32.00 | ircdevil | buht-work: perl -e 'while(1){}' |
| 15:32.00 | buht-work | i need something that will continue to put cpu load on the pc... at my will |
| 15:32.01 | nkuttler | buht-work: apt-cache search cpu test |
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| 15:32.11 | elro | hi, I'm finding logging into my other box by ssh is really slow (it pauses about 20 seconds) before bringing up the password prompt. This happens whether I use it's ip address or hostname. Other systems I log into don't seem to have this problem. Any idea what could cause it? (it affects both my debian and ubuntu boxes) |
| 15:32.15 | valdyn | buht-work: 'cat /dev/zero > /dev/null' |
| 15:32.19 | ircdevil | buht-work: hmmm, try looking for some benchmark tools |
| 15:32.19 | yang | kapil: login yang |
| 15:32.19 | yang | Password: |
| 15:32.19 | yang | Last login: Wed Sep 14 14:06:17 2005 from sisyphus on pts/2 |
| 15:32.19 | yang | Linux bia 2.6.13-pa4 #1 Tue Sep 13 14:53:51 MDT 2005 parisc GNU/Linux |
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| 15:32.20 | elro | (this is over the internet btw) |
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| 15:32.30 | bob2 | elro: lack of rdns, I'd think |
| 15:32.34 | bob2 | yang: dude, no |
| 15:32.38 | yang | sorry, i ll paste in #flood |
| 15:32.45 | caphuso | does the BTS support the "submitter is a moron" user-tag? |
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| 15:32.57 | sanxiyn | caphuso: I think any user can make usertag? |
| 15:32.57 | cheal | buht-work: cpuburn |
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| 15:33.20 | buht-work | ok thanks everyone ill try each of those |
| 15:33.20 | yang | kapil: can you join there |
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| 15:33.45 | kapil | yang: in other words (from your paste ;)) you had to give a password for "login" |
| 15:33.46 | caphuso | sanxiyn: well, but that doesn't highlight the tagged bug with <blink></blink> or something else, equally appropriate |
| 15:33.56 | buht-work | be back later... thanks again everyone :) |
| 15:34.00 | nkuttler | caphuso: file a wishlist bug |
| 15:34.07 | Zap-W | is there an application that can tell the charset a filename is using? |
| 15:34.10 | yang | kapil: when i give the password (false one) it lets me in |
| 15:34.19 | kapil | yang: that's all I wanted to know |
| 15:34.20 | caphuso | oh god, and that guy used Severity: important |
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| 15:34.41 | nkuttler | caphuso: see the positive, he's trying to improve debian |
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| 15:34.45 | kapil | yang: "false" password? In other words it logs you in *whatever* password you type? |
| 15:34.49 | sanxiyn | caphuso: Bug number? |
| 15:34.52 | yang | kapil: right |
| 15:34.57 | caphuso | sanxiyn: #328273 |
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| 15:35.06 | sanxiyn | caphuso: Perhaps blinking effect can be done with user CSS. |
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| 15:35.13 | yang | kapil: i executed "login yang" from root |
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| 15:35.35 | nome_ | How do you search gnome help and make the filemanager reuse the same window? |
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| 15:35.48 | valdyn | Zap-W: which filenames are giving you problems? |
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| 15:35.56 | kapil | yang: then your problem is definitely in the authentication part---most probably pam. |
| 15:36.30 | kapil | yang: also check the possible compromise of libraries used by /bin/login |
| 15:36.37 | yang | kapil: i did some changes into /etc/pam.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 15:37.09 | humbraro | nome_: www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html |
| 15:37.12 | sanxiyn | caphuso: Stupid indeed. |
| 15:37.23 | sanxiyn | (It should be xterm -e vi test, not xterm -e "vi test".) |
| 15:37.26 | gordotron | how do I update a video card driver? |
| 15:37.27 | Faithful | I have configure ssh to run ver 2 only and now I need to run ver 1 protocol as well, but dpkg-reconfigure does not give me the option anymore |
| 15:37.27 | LordNazgul | anyone familiar with setting up ntp on sarge? |
| 15:37.31 | mwilson | caphuso: I dunno about "important", but it *does* break significant functionality. |
| 15:37.37 | gordotron | do I apt-get install nv or something? |
| 15:37.39 | caphuso | mwilson: huh? |
| 15:38.03 | sanxiyn | mwilson: xterm -e "vi test" will try to exec "vi test", not "vi". |
| 15:38.10 | kapil | yang: what changes? On a default system pam.conf is all commented out |
| 15:38.11 | dvs | LordNazgul: What do you want to know? |
| 15:38.11 | sanxiyn | (As documented.) |
| 15:38.15 | Faithful | gordotron: download the driver installer from nVidia |
| 15:38.19 | nubeeUserofLinux | can somebody help me? |
| 15:38.21 | nkuttler | LordNazgul: apt-cache search ntp and install what you need |
| 15:38.22 | caphuso | there's a reason why -e needs to be the last argument on the command line |
| 15:38.25 | mwilson | sanxiyn: I know what it's trying to do. |
| 15:38.28 | gordotron | thanks Faithful |
| 15:38.29 | nkuttler | !tell nubeeUserofLinux about ask |
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| 15:38.35 | yang | kapil: yes /etc/pam.conf is empty |
| 15:38.37 | dvs | nksen: There's two ways to do it. |
| 15:38.43 | dvs | nkuttler: : There's two ways to do it. |
| 15:38.43 | mwilson | sanxiyn: I also know it's a valid bug report. |
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| 15:38.51 | nubeeUserofLinux | about installing openoffice |
| 15:38.53 | kapil | yang: At this point I must confess that I have never really messed around with the default Debian pam settings. |
| 15:39.04 | nkuttler | dvs: it? what is it? and i know about ntp. |
| 15:39.06 | LordNazgul | nkuttler: no ive igot it installed im just havin some issues |
| 15:39.06 | kapil | yang: You probably need someone who has! |
| 15:39.09 | sanxiyn | mwilson: Eh, did it work in previous versions of xterm? |
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| 15:39.14 | caphuso | sanxiyn: no |
| 15:39.19 | mwilson | sanxiyn: Yes. |
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| 15:39.23 | sanxiyn | mwilson: Ah. |
| 15:39.27 | dvs | nkuttler: There's also ntpdate which will sync up only on startup |
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| 15:39.31 | Deek | yang: pam.conf is usually empty. |
| 15:39.34 | sanxiyn | mwilson: Then it makes sense. |
| 15:39.43 | nkuttler | dvs: tell LordNazgul |
| 15:39.50 | mwilson | I have many versions of xterm lying around... I used to build it myself because overlord was always way behind on Tom Dickey's bug fixes. |
| 15:39.58 | kapil | yang: what about nsswitch.conf? what is the line starting passwd: |
| 15:40.04 | Deek | mwilson: overfiend |
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| 15:40.05 | nkuttler | nubeeUserofLinux: what part of "if you have a question, just ask" did you not get? |
| 15:40.09 | yang | kapil: md5sum of /bin/login matches |
| 15:40.16 | mwilson | Deek: Yes, exactly. |
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| 15:40.40 | yang | kapil: passwd: compat |
| 15:40.46 | elro | bob2: hmm, putting a UseDNS no in my sshd_config and reloading doesn't seem to help |
| 15:40.58 | nubeeUserofLinux | im having problems installing openoffice, can somebody help me? |
| 15:41.05 | caphuso | ah, it worked back in 2002 |
| 15:41.07 | Deek | yang: passwd: files |
| 15:41.09 | nkuttler | nubeeUserofLinux: what errors do you get? |
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| 15:41.26 | Deek | group: files |
| 15:41.30 | Deek | shadow: files |
| 15:41.30 | valdyn | nubeeUserofLinux: state the problem, not "im having problems" state something usable |
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| 15:41.43 | kapil | yang: follow Deek's suggestions. |
| 15:41.50 | mwilson | caphuso: The last xterm I have lying around is xterm-190, and it works there. |
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| 15:42.10 | caphuso | mwilson: can you try 201? |
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| 15:43.33 | nome_ | humbraro: thanks |
| 15:43.40 | yang | kapil: i use this line in inetd.conf now - telnet stream tcp nowait telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd |
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| 15:43.54 | yang | but even with changed nsswitch.conf i can login with wrong pass |
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| 15:45.04 | yang | maybe its connected - I am running /usr/sbin/nscd |
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| 15:48.32 | stew | yang: you have auth and account required lines in /etc/pam.d/telnet? |
| 15:48.59 | yang | no |
| 15:48.59 | stew | yang: or does it include common-account / common-auth |
| 15:48.59 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 15:49.10 | windows_free | hi! I have a pretty "easy" question about Debian+Kde... I'm using Debian 3.1r0, it cames with kde 3.3. I would like to use kde 3.4.2 but with out breaking all the package system. Is this possible??? I could find any ".deb" for kde 3.4.2 |
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| 15:49.17 | Deek | yang: nscd is pretty evil unless you use LDAP or NIS |
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| 15:49.27 | yang | there is no telnet in /etc/pam.d |
| 15:49.28 | nullvoid | how can I resend all the email on the mailq (I am using postfix) |
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| 15:50.04 | Ungy | in kde is there shortcut keys to switch between desktops? |
| 15:50.09 | Deek | nullvoid: mailq |
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| 15:50.45 | stew | yang: was there one? i could be talking out my ass, but i'd try cp /etc/pam.d/ssh /etc/pam.d/telnet |
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| 15:50.54 | cahoot | nullvoid: man postsuper |
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| 15:50.56 | nullvoid | Deek: mailq will show mail in queue ? |
| 15:51.00 | Ungy | nullvoid, you mean it is in the que ? |
| 15:51.02 | yang | windows_free: maybe you upgrade to sid and there you have kde 3.4.3 |
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| 15:51.28 | samuel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:52.22 | cahoot | nullvoid: or maybe easier: man postqueue |
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| 15:52.47 | nullvoid | cahoot: I tried postsuper -r ALL, but still the email still stuck |
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| 15:53.10 | yang | stew: it still bugs me |
| 15:53.15 | cahoot | nullvoid: then I'd check why in the logs |
| 15:53.18 | windows_free | yang but if I add sid repositorys to my apt-get sources, wouldnt i update the whole system to sid? That's too risky, sarge is secure and stable, and i want to update to kde 3.4.2 cause kde seems to be a "well-coded" project, stables realeses of kde are pretty stables |
| 15:53.28 | yang | stew: maybe apt-get dist-upgrade can fix that? |
| 15:53.43 | cheal | Ungy: ask #debian-kde |
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| 15:53.55 | yang | windows_free: i have kde 3.4.2 on sarge |
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| 15:54.03 | Deek | nullvoid: Sorry, sendmail -q |
| 15:54.09 | windows_free | yang how do yo do that? |
| 15:54.27 | nullvoid | cahoot: (lost connection with mx.tm.net.my[202.188.0.213] while sending message body) what does it mean? does my mail dead? |
| 15:54.28 | yang | windows_free: apt-get update |
| 15:54.29 | stew | windows_free: #debian-kde |
| 15:54.35 | nullvoid | Deek: I use postfix |
| 15:54.45 | stew | yang: i don't think that dist-upgrade will fix it |
| 15:54.49 | Deek | nullvoid: Yes, you said that. |
| 15:54.49 | abrotman | well-coded .. hehe |
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| 15:54.58 | Deek | nullvoid: sendmail -q |
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| 15:55.29 | windows_free | yang i run apt-get update, but it doesnt update kde.... it is not part of debian sarge official |
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| 15:55.30 | crazytaxzi | lol |
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| 15:56.25 | windows_free | abrotman dont laugh at me... i am a newbie... just trying to get rid of the oppression of ms |
| 15:56.29 | gordotron | okay going to try something from windows |
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| 15:56.59 | yang | windows_free: ii kdebase 3.3.2-1 KDE Base metapackage |
| 15:56.59 | yang | ii kdebase-bin 3.3.2-1 KDE Base (binaries) |
| 15:57.06 | yang | this is what i have |
| 15:57.18 | emf | Using a ntfs partition I can cd into directories using a diferent case than whate it really has. How can I avoid it? |
| 15:57.22 | Deek | nullvoid: Big rule of Unix mail systems -- even if you aren't sendmail, you have to act like it. |
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| 15:57.24 | windows_free | yang i want kde 3.4.2 no 3.3.2 |
| 15:57.26 | crazytaxzi | hey like you i am happy to be free from MS but there are little problems like i am not a programmer so i can't play all the things i want to |
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| 15:57.38 | yang | windows_free: as you said, its not in sarge yet |
| 15:57.40 | mwilson | emf: You don't. |
| 15:57.46 | Deek | crazytaxzi: yet. |
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| 15:57.54 | mwilson | emf: NTFS is case-insensitive. |
| 15:57.57 | Ungy | windows_free, you might want to try ubuntu |
| 15:58.01 | crazytaxzi | deek: it would be nice |
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| 15:58.22 | yang | windows_free: is there any particular reason, why you need the latest kde? |
| 15:58.22 | Deek | crazytaxzi: (to both "I'm not a programmer" and "can't play them") |
| 15:58.25 | emf | I just want ls "NOT THIS CASE" to tell me 'file not found' |
| 15:58.31 | cheal | windows_free: ask #debian-kde |
| 15:58.41 | abrotman | windows_free: not laughing at you .. laughing at the idea of kde being well-coded :) |
| 15:58.49 | mwilson | emf: Tell MS, then. |
| 15:58.55 | cheal | !smite abrotman |
| 15:59.00 | windows_free | Ungy i like Debian! hehe... i now, i now... i am a little annoying with my request... but well... that like i am |
| 15:59.04 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
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| 15:59.15 | emf | MS did not write the linux ntfs driver AFAIK. |
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| 15:59.16 | Zap-W | is gcc 4 in sarge? |
| 15:59.16 | crazytaxzi | Deek: lol like i said that would be nice |
| 15:59.19 | Zap-W | or gcc 3.3 |
| 15:59.19 | yang | stew: any other hints? |
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| 15:59.30 | cheal | !info gcc-4.0 sarge |
| 15:59.30 | crazytaxzi | i have gotten better though |
| 15:59.34 | cahoot | abrotman: apart from Tex what is well-coded? |
| 15:59.37 | cheal | dpkg: Package 'gcc-4.0' does not exist. |
| 15:59.38 | stew | Zap-W: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:59.39 | antgel | Zap-W: packages.debian.org |
| 15:59.40 | Ungy | windows_free, how long have you been using debian? |
| 15:59.41 | Deek | Spend enough time in Unix and it'll seep in. |
| 15:59.43 | stew | yang: sorry, i'm out of ideas |
| 15:59.49 | abrotman | cahoot: emacs obviously |
| 15:59.59 | cheal | !tell Zap-W about info gcc-3.3 sarge |
| 15:59.59 | Zap-W | !info gcc-3.2 sarge |
| 16:00.00 | abrotman | cahoot: at one time .. the blackbox code was nice |
| 16:00.03 | crazytaxzi | Deek: it took me 2 days to figure out the dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 command lol |
| 16:00.05 | windows_free | yang i want kde 3.4.2 because it has several cool features, like kdm themming or a descent kdpf... i am using acrobat now and it sucks |
| 16:00.10 | mwilson | emf: What does that have to do with it, other than nothing? The Linux NTFS driver does the same thing that Windows NTFS does. |
| 16:00.16 | samuel | what type of pentium is a pentium m ? a centrino? it IS speedstep, so i want to know what modules to load |
| 16:00.18 | LordNazgul | sarge doesnt install with any dort of firewall does it? |
| 16:00.22 | Deek | emacs...well-coded...spleen bursting... |
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| 16:00.59 | crazytaxzi | so is there any good FPS game for Debian out there? |
| 16:01.09 | cheal | samuel: centrino isn't a CPU type |
| 16:01.17 | Zap-W | !info gcc-3.0 sarge |
| 16:01.18 | yang | windows_free: then upgrade to sid and be merry |
| 16:01.25 | windows_free | Ungy for about six months... but i am used to use "hard" linux distros... like linux from scratch... I like the free of customization they have... |
| 16:01.26 | cheal | !tell Zap-w about msg the bot |
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| 16:01.44 | ma3x | hey |
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| 16:01.48 | Ungy | windows_free, do you even know what Ubuntu is? |
| 16:01.49 | fken | heya |
| 16:01.51 | ma3x | module-assistant can install modules |
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| 16:01.54 | ma3x | can it remove too? |
| 16:02.01 | crazytaxzi | i have an Uduntu live CD |
| 16:02.03 | crazytaxzi | lol |
| 16:02.11 | windows_free | Ungy one choice would be gentoo... but i dont have adsl or cablemodem to download it |
| 16:02.13 | crazytaxzi | don't work on this comp though lol |
| 16:02.15 | ma3x | hello |
| 16:02.16 | Deek | crazytaxzi: The Quakes, the UT series, Doom 3, I think AvP, the Marathon series, America's Army... |
| 16:02.19 | ma3x | how can i remove modules with module-assistant? |
| 16:02.21 | ma3x | can i ? |
| 16:02.31 | ma3x | anyone alive? |
| 16:02.33 | yang | stew: do you think pam.d/ssh and pam.d/telnet should be the same options? |
| 16:02.36 | ma3x | am i lagged? |
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| 16:02.40 | crazytaxzi | Marathon would be a good one to get again |
| 16:02.40 | cahoot | yes |
| 16:02.41 | Laibsch | I want to use ifrename to reliably map network cards to network interfaces. For some reason or another it does not work: http://rafb.net/paste/results/penh4356.html |
| 16:02.44 | cheal | ma3x: stop it. you can't |
| 16:02.44 | windows_free | Ungy yes, i now what it is, it is a debian-based distribution trying to bring linux to the desktop in a painless manner |
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| 16:02.52 | ma3x | cheal then how do i manually remove modules? |
| 16:02.55 | Deek | crazytaxzi: RtCW, Enemy Territory, ... |
| 16:02.55 | stew | yang: yes, but it sounds like maybe telnetd doesn't use pam? |
| 16:03.08 | cheal | ma3x: remove the package or the module from the kernel? |
| 16:03.11 | Deek | stew: Doesn't have to, it uses login. |
| 16:03.14 | stew | yang: and i don't really know, as I haven't run telnetd in 10 years |
| 16:03.15 | fken | ma3x: i never tried... once youll success tell us how its happen |
| 16:03.22 | Ungy | windows_free, they also stay more up to date then Debian for impatient people |
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| 16:03.52 | LordNazgul | how do i find out if a specific port has a service running on it |
| 16:04.11 | cheal | Ungy: recommending ubuntu on #debian is a suspicious idea. recommending ubuntu for KDE stuff is weird |
| 16:04.16 | antgel | LordNazgul: man netstat |
| 16:04.20 | stew | ma3x: m-a just creates packages and installs them with dpkg -i ; you can remove them with dpkg |
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| 16:04.33 | ma3x | stew okay |
| 16:04.39 | LordNazgul | thanx antgel |
| 16:04.40 | ma3x | stew one more question I've always wanted to ask |
| 16:04.44 | windows_free | Ungy I know that, but i think it is good the policy of debian for almost all packages... but i trust kde, openoffice or the gimp of not doing any low quality product |
| 16:04.48 | ma3x | how can I view dmesg.boot? |
| 16:04.51 | ma3x | is there such a thing? |
| 16:04.53 | antgel | !pal windows_free |
| 16:04.58 | ma3x | because dmesg doesn't contain all info from boot? |
| 16:05.06 | FarrisG | I have a particular user getting "Permission denied (publickey)." when he tries to ssh. I have PasswordAuthentication turned off, and I thought I had his ssh keys setup just like everyone else. I'm having trouble hunting down what I've screwed up. Any ideas? |
| 16:05.08 | streuner_ | ma3x: less /var/log/dmesg |
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| 16:05.10 | cheal | !tell ma3x about bootlogd |
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| 16:05.21 | windows_free | Ungy any way, ubuntu uses gnome, kubuntu would do the trick for me |
| 16:05.28 | antgel | FarrisG: get him to ssh -v. check the server log |
| 16:05.32 | emf | mwilson: I looks like 'mount -t ntfs -o posix=1 foo bar' should do what I want, but it doesnt. |
| 16:05.33 | mwilson | FarrisG: There's a reason why you don't use -v and ask ssh what it thinks is wrong? |
| 16:05.39 | ma3x | cheal : then it will log it to /var/log/boot? |
| 16:05.39 | stew | ma3x: /var/log/dmesg? |
| 16:05.57 | ma3x | stew cheal made dpkg tell me, the default log of boot is off |
| 16:06.00 | cheal | ma3x: it will log another part of the boot messages, those that show at the end |
| 16:06.04 | jazzmanss | how can I set the default session when I use vncserver to be xfce4 instead of gnome, which it is currently? when I physically log into the machine, xfce4 is the default. |
| 16:06.11 | nullvoid | what does this mean : server dropped connection without sending the initial SMTP greeting |
| 16:06.19 | mwilson | emf: How many different ways does someone have to tell you that NTFS is a case-insensitive file system? |
| 16:06.24 | ma3x | stew: because thisway if I look at /var/log/dmesg, it does not contain all information from boot |
| 16:06.26 | ma3x | you copy? |
| 16:06.34 | antgel | why does this procmailrc line match everything? * ^Subject:.*[Courier-imap] |
| 16:06.38 | stew | ma3x: sure |
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| 16:06.45 | ma3x | alrighty then |
| 16:06.48 | emf | morons dont count, sorry |
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| 16:06.55 | mwilson | jazzmanss: You know, asking the same question under different nicks doesn't provide different answers. |
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| 16:07.15 | jazzmanss | mwilson, I haven't asked this, why do you say that? |
| 16:07.18 | antgel | jazzmanss: you could read the vnc documentation |
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| 16:07.25 | windows_free | a silly question, i am using bitchx, my first time using it... how i switch between different channels? |
| 16:07.28 | ma3x | aight |
| 16:07.28 | ma3x | bye |
| 16:07.29 | mwilson | emf: Ah. So I'm a moron for accurately describing the NTFS filesystem. I see. |
| 16:07.29 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 16:07.31 | Gathond | antgel: dont know if [] ahould be escaped, in extended regex that line would match anything containing one of the chars in [] |
| 16:07.32 | jazzmanss | I read the man pages for vncserver, vnc.conf and edited vnc.conf. |
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| 16:07.58 | jkern | ma3x, edit /etc/default/bootlogd to get a bootlog |
| 16:07.59 | mwilson | jazzmanss: Of course you have. If I were sufficiently bored, I'd find the nicks and hostmasks out of the log. |
| 16:08.03 | Gathond | antgel: basically [abc] match a, b or c |
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| 16:08.19 | crazytaxzi | ok anyone have an idea where i might be able to get a copy of marathon Infinity? |
| 16:08.26 | jazzmanss | mwilson, go for it, you are mistaking me for someone else. check my log in time. I'm always here and only as jazzmans or jazzmanss. |
| 16:08.41 | antgel | Gathond: aha. gotcha. i'll whack in a \ or two and see what happens |
| 16:08.54 | bomb | kebab time |
| 16:09.00 | Mortalman | ? |
| 16:09.02 | mwilson | Ewww... did not need THAT mental picture. |
| 16:09.03 | jazzmanss | so, other then mwilson being a bit of a troll today, (maybe because someone else asked the same question?) can anyone assist me changing the default vnc session to be xfce4 instead of gnome? |
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| 16:09.11 | emf | mwilson: ntfs is case preserving and only the windows shell make it mostly case insensitive |
| 16:09.13 | bomb | what, you've never heard of kebabs? |
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| 16:09.20 | antgel | jazzmanss: ^^^ |
| 16:09.22 | bomb | or you've never seen anyone pee on their screen |
| 16:09.33 | Mortalman | jazzmanss: hehe, which VNC server ? |
| 16:09.35 | LordNazgul | is ip chains on by default on sarge, or any other firewall |
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| 16:09.41 | antgel | LordNazgul: no |
| 16:09.44 | dvs | bomb: Ummmmmm.... no |
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| 16:09.53 | Mortalman | bomb: no, and no. |
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| 16:10.01 | mwilson | emf: I never said it wasn't case-preserving. |
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| 16:10.22 | Mortalman | jazzmanss: vnc4server ? |
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| 16:10.35 | mwilson | emf: You seem to think "case-insensitive" and "case-preserving" are mutually exclusive. |
| 16:10.38 | jazzmanss | Mortalman, what do you mean which vnc session? I'm using vncserver as the server, and xvncviewer as the viewer. |
| 16:10.43 | crazytaxzi | ok there wine is for win32 based progs... is there one for the mac base games? |
| 16:10.53 | emf | mwilson: case information is there i just want the ntfs driver not to play games with it |
| 16:11.01 | Deek | mwilson: Technically, NTFS isn't case-insensitive. |
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| 16:11.03 | mwilson | emf: It's not. |
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| 16:11.27 | windows_free | whell, that last one... i've just upgraded to kernel-2.6.13... but now my netodragon doesnt work... when i load the slamr modules it says many things: one is Unknown symbol class_simple_device_add |
| 16:11.36 | Deek | mwilson: The NTFS.IFS in NT/2K/XP is. |
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| 16:11.39 | emf | how so? I'm seeing the files with the right case |
| 16:11.52 | antgel | windows_free: are you using sarge? |
| 16:11.54 | stew | emf: mount it with posix=1 option |
| 16:11.57 | windows_free | any idea how to fix it? i have done my google work and found nothing |
| 16:12.03 | windows_free | antgel yep, i am |
| 16:12.10 | emf | stew: tried that, no dice :( |
| 16:12.15 | antgel | windows_free: and where did you get the kernel from? |
| 16:12.24 | mwilson | emf: Yes, because it's case-insensitive. |
| 16:12.25 | windows_free | antgel downloaded the source |
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| 16:12.38 | antgel | windows_free: and why do you need 2.6.13? |
| 16:12.40 | Mortalman | jazzmanss: Comment out the last line and put whatever you want. e.g. "fluxbox &" --> ~/.vnc/xstartup |
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| 16:12.46 | emf | mwilson: are you being obtuse on purpose? |
| 16:12.56 | streuner_ | haha |
| 16:13.03 | stew | mwilson: its not supposed to be with the posix=1 option |
| 16:13.15 | jazzmanss | thanks Mortalman, I didn't read the ~.vnc/xstartup file yet. |
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| 16:13.29 | windows_free | antgel does it really matter? i want it because whith it i can stand by the system, it has a lot of work done in power management |
| 16:13.36 | ikaruga | Hi all. I'm running debian sarge with kernel 2.6 and KDE. I have a sound card with digital out (SPDF OUT). How do I turn that on? What sound driver should I install? alsa, etc.? |
| 16:13.37 | Mortalman | jazzmanss: Yep, that's where all the magic happens. |
| 16:13.46 | crazytaxzi | if there is a prog that lets you run windows progs is there one that lets you run mac progs? |
| 16:13.48 | stew | emf: are you sure its acutally mounting with the posix=1 option? do you see the 8.3 hardlinks? |
| 16:13.51 | ma3x | cheal, i thought your nick was leach |
| 16:13.57 | ma3x | lol |
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| 16:14.15 | ma3x | I did that what dpkg told me , but for some reason /var/log/boot didn't come back |
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| 16:14.19 | ma3x | stew, any idea mate? |
| 16:14.26 | cheal | ma3x: hum, what does that mean? |
| 16:14.35 | cheal | ma3x: you rebooted too, right? |
| 16:14.35 | streuner_ | ma3x: less /var/log/dmesg |
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| 16:14.42 | ma3x | cheal, yeah |
| 16:14.47 | mwilson | emf: Do you understand the difference between "case-insensitive" and "case-preserving"? |
| 16:14.52 | antgel | windows_free: of course it fucking matters. a million people per week come in here, who have fucked up their kernels, and they don't even need to build them, so it's a waste of all our time |
| 16:15.00 | ma3x | streuner, and? |
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| 16:15.06 | cheal | ma3x: you may just be suffering a bootlogd bug |
| 16:15.08 | mwilson | emf: NTFS is both case-insensitive, and case-preserving. |
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| 16:15.12 | stew | mwilson: he clearly does |
| 16:15.16 | emf | stew: yes, I'm using posix=1 and I dont see 8.3 links |
| 16:15.16 | streuner_ | ma3x: and what? read it? |
| 16:15.17 | ma3x | cheal, probably |
| 16:15.25 | dwk | can anyone help me with partitioning for dell dimension xps m200 |
| 16:15.31 | Zap-W | what's the default gcc compiler in sarge? 3.3? |
| 16:15.38 | mwilson | Zap-W: Yes. |
| 16:15.38 | ikaruga | dwk: what are ya trying to do? |
| 16:15.44 | Mortalman | Anyone know how to display total mem/cpu usage in console ? |
| 16:15.44 | ma3x | streuner, not everything from boot is included |
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| 16:15.55 | stew | emf: then it sounds like posix=1 is being ignored. you don't have it mounted twice or anything do you? are there any warning when you mount it? |
| 16:16.03 | cheal | ma3x: such as 258290 |
| 16:16.03 | streuner_ | ma3x: for what info you are searching for? |
| 16:16.06 | antgel | Mortalman: cat /proc/cpuinfo /proc/memstat |
| 16:16.12 | dwk | i am trying to install debian to an old dell, but still want to keep win 98 on the same drive |
| 16:16.16 | Mortalman | antgel: thanks |
| 16:16.20 | Deek | It's possible to create two files with names that differ only in case on an NTFS filesystem...but chkdsk will throw a hissyfit of epic proportion. :) |
| 16:16.25 | cheal | Mortalman: $ free |
| 16:16.28 | ma3x | streuner, there are some errors that go too quick and I can't see them |
| 16:16.33 | mwilson | Deek: Amen to that. |
| 16:16.36 | ma3x | but I'm sure /var/log/dmesg does not contain them |
| 16:16.46 | ma3x | I only get them on boot |
| 16:16.56 | ma3x | and there was some error with bootlogd, but it's not included in dmesg |
| 16:16.57 | ma3x | damn |
| 16:16.58 | ikaruga | dwk: easy---first you have to defragment win98 using the win98 defrag prog. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT; otherwise you'll lose windows |
| 16:17.03 | emf | stew: everything looks rigth. I just can ls files using a wrong case |
| 16:17.13 | jazzmanss | Mortalman, under /home/username/.vnc/ there is no xstartup file, am I looking in the wrong area? |
| 16:17.13 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 16:17.18 | quiet | Deek, no it's not |
| 16:17.27 | antgel | jazzmanss: create the file. you didn't read the manual |
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| 16:17.35 | Deek | emf: That is correct for an NTFS filesystem. |
| 16:17.39 | mwilson | antgel: He wouldn't last night, either. |
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| 16:17.42 | stew | mwilson: are you saying that the mount documentation is incorrect about the posix=1 switch? |
| 16:17.43 | jazzmanss | thanks antgel, I did read the man pages, but they're mostly greek. |
| 16:17.46 | Mortalman | jazzmanss: Well, I'm using vnc4server. Regular vncserver my function a little different. |
| 16:17.46 | dwk | ikaruga: i did defragment. i tried installing debian installer but it would just halt at resizing the partition |
| 16:17.53 | dwk | same with mandrakelinux |
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| 16:17.55 | windows_free | antgel i didnt fucked up anything... i have built hundreds of times my kernel... and please... if you dont know a shit about linux shut the fuck up... dont flood the channel with useless question... and agressive language |
| 16:17.58 | streuner_ | ma3x: take a look in your logs /var/log (messages, syslog) - if they aren't there you haven't any problem then... |
| 16:18.04 | Deek | quiet: How so? It's quite possible, I've done it. |
| 16:18.07 | jazzmanss | mwilson, I am not whomever you assume I am, this is my registered nick, please stop making incorrect assumptions. |
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| 16:18.14 | dwk | so i tried systemrescuecd |
| 16:18.15 | ikaruga | dwk: does win98 still work? |
| 16:18.23 | quiet | Deek, using what? |
| 16:18.24 | dwk | it has qtparted |
| 16:18.26 | antgel | jazzmanss: 1. they're english. 2. the docs are in /usr/share/doc |
| 16:18.32 | dwk | win 98 still works |
| 16:18.35 | quiet | they can have the same name if the extension is different |
| 16:18.39 | quiet | not if it's the same |
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| 16:18.51 | quiet | it will. not. allow it. |
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| 16:19.01 | ikaruga | dwk: have you tried qtparted from anywhere else? like knoppix or systemrescueCD? |
| 16:19.03 | Deek | quiet: The driver will not allow it. |
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| 16:19.11 | Deek | quiet: The filesystem will. |
| 16:19.12 | mwilson | stew: I didn't say anything about the man page at all. I haven't read it, I don't know what it says on the topic. |
| 16:19.15 | antgel | windows_free: why have you built your kernel hundreds of times? do you think telling me to stfu is aggressive language? finally, if you didn't fuck it up, why won't your system boot? |
| 16:19.19 | jazzmanss | antgel, you mean other then the man pages for the application? I didn't know additional documentation was there. thanks for the tip. |
| 16:19.27 | stew | mwilson: then you should probably stay out of the conversation until you've read it |
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| 16:19.42 | mwilson | quiet: Uh, in case you hadn't noticed, the "extension" is merely part of the filename. Your statement is nonsense. |
| 16:19.43 | quiet | Deek, ??? So, using knoppix or something? |
| 16:19.45 | dwk | i am trying systemrescueCD, but it won't load framebuffer, even when i specify fb640, or other images |
| 16:19.49 | antgel | jazzmanss: a lot of people don't. i don't think it's in the Reference. |
| 16:20.02 | dwk | i think dell chipset is quite special or something... |
| 16:20.06 | quiet | mwilson, l'm aware of that. therefor the filename would technically be different. |
| 16:20.11 | ikaruga | dwk: you have that old of a computer, huh? |
| 16:20.15 | mwilson | stew: I made statements about NTFS. He has a problem with how NTFS behaves, he should take it up with MS. |
| 16:20.31 | mwilson | quiet: Huh? Of course it is. That's why what you said is nonsense. |
| 16:20.35 | Deek | quiet: The storage capabilities of the filesystem allow for filenames that differ only in case. Windows and all other compliant NTFS IFSs will not allow you to do it. |
| 16:20.43 | windows_free | antgel maybe you have readding problem... dont know... maybe your eyes are wrong... dont care... my system boot... everything works just fine... but my winmodem drivers dont work |
| 16:20.49 | jazzmanss | thanks again antgel, I'm going to go read all the documentation. |
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| 16:21.01 | dwk | it's quite old. it has 48meg RAM, but the harddrive is 8 gigs, which has been partitioned into two already by win 98 |
| 16:21.14 | Deek | quiet: That's the difference between "it can be done" and "you can do it" :) |
| 16:21.15 | mwilson | quiet: The concept of "extension" is meaningless to NTFS. |
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| 16:21.21 | stew | mwilson: so since mount says that his filesystem should be case-sensitive and its not, who should he file the bug with? |
| 16:21.23 | etanoox | c'e' qualcuno italiano? |
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| 16:21.30 | dwk | so i am trying to resize the second partition and have some room for debian |
| 16:21.32 | Mortalman | jazzmanss: Why not use the newer vnc4server ? |
| 16:21.34 | streuner_ | !it |
| 16:21.34 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 16:21.43 | antgel | windows_free: you are talking about a module not loading. that's a kernel thing. |
| 16:21.46 | quiet | no it's not. it's meaningless in linux.. but not in windows. |
| 16:21.57 | mwilson | quiet: Since when? |
| 16:21.57 | yang | Can someone help me with telnetd, i can login with wrong password |
| 16:22.00 | Deek | quiet: No, it's meaningless in Windows too. |
| 16:22.03 | zerve_the_death | !gr |
| 16:22.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gr is Greece, or General Relativity, or General Resolution |
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| 16:22.10 | jez | would anyone know, when a msg is BCC'd to an exim box, if/where Exim stores the actual SMTP envelope to: address? |
| 16:22.12 | Ungy | windows_free, ok your name pretty much sums you up now your asking how to get bleeding edge programs on Sarge either learn to backport and stfu or go use gentoo with the riceburners who need the latest crap or use ubuntu which stays reletivly up to date or you can wait until the features you want become available on Sarge |
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| 16:22.25 | quiet | okay.. rename something.doc to something.jpg and double click it... |
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| 16:22.34 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 16:22.42 | jazzmanss | Mortalman, I haven't read anything about vnc4server, I'll look into it. I've been using vncserver for a couple of years. |
| 16:22.46 | dvs | yang: Why use telnet? Use ssh instead. |
| 16:22.52 | hiux | !tco |
| 16:22.52 | dpkg | i heard tco is (Total Cost of Ownership) This phrase was coined by the creaters of the Network Computer (NC) to describe the benefits of using a system that is more Mainframe and less Client/Server. Their logic states that NCs, although they may cost the same up front as cheap PCs, have a lower TCO than a network built on PCs. |
| 16:22.56 | Deek | quiet: And like I said, if you manage to _create_ two files with names that differ only in case, chkdsk WILL throw a serious hissyfit. |
| 16:23.03 | Mortalman | Ungy: Preach it! |
| 16:23.07 | Gathond | quiet: that is not handled by the filesystem, the filesytem does not care, hence NTFS does not care |
| 16:23.07 | ikaruga | dwk: you can try damnsmalllinux to resize it. It's supposedly better at supporting old computers. (www.damnsmalllinux.org). It's a live CD. However, you will have to install qtparted from here: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/mydsl/gtk2/ |
| 16:23.13 | Zugschlus | jez: you have received answers on #exim |
| 16:23.14 | hiux | !btw |
| 16:23.14 | dpkg | btw is probably by the way |
| 16:23.24 | jez | zugs: unsatisfactory |
| 16:23.27 | ikaruga | dwk: if damnsmalllinux boots up; it's worth a shot |
| 16:23.30 | antgel | jazzmanss: /usr/share/doc is the first port of call whenever you install a package. most README.Debian.gz |
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| 16:23.37 | Ungy | Mortalman, I am sick of wanna bee do it yourselfers comign in here and spouting abotu how much then know and asking for help |
| 16:23.40 | jez | zugs: 'RTFM' with exim is like saying 'go read the Bible' :-) |
| 16:23.48 | dogmeat | is there a gui interface for iptables? |
| 16:23.49 | streuner_ | hiux: use /msg dpkg foo instead, thanks. |
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| 16:24.01 | hiux | sorry |
| 16:24.06 | hiux | i 'll |
| 16:24.07 | dwk | ok. i will try that. thanks, ikaruga. |
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| 16:24.09 | windows_free | antgel a kernel thing doesnt mean the system is not booting, you can load modules after the system booted |
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| 16:24.12 | Ungy | Mortalman it's almost as bad as those do it yourself guys that you see in home depot covered in paint and looking pissed off |
| 16:24.17 | antgel | Ungy: a lot of people get really worked up about getting something wrong. it's the only way to learn imo |
| 16:24.20 | ikaruga | dwk: one last thing |
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| 16:24.20 | Zugschlus | jez: I told you which chapter in the spec.txt has the required information, and answered one other question with a directly useable command line |
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| 16:24.27 | Zugschlus | btw, you didn't even say on #exim that you're using debian |
| 16:24.37 | Mortalman | Ungy: lol, yeah |
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| 16:24.52 | Deek | The best way to learn something inside out is to fuck it up completely. |
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| 16:25.03 | Deek | Sorry, fsck |
| 16:25.05 | solemn-lan | hi all |
| 16:25.06 | mwilson | quiet: "something" and "something.jpg" are not the same filename, and NTFS will happily allow them both to co-exist. "something.jpg" and "something.JPG" *are* the same filename, and while you can create it, NTFS won't like you much. |
| 16:25.07 | Deek | :) |
| 16:25.15 | antgel | windows_free: you're great. modules insert into the running kernel. you say it worked until you built your kernel. you also say it's not a kernel problem |
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| 16:25.25 | ikaruga | dwk: nevermind... you should be able to install that package using "mydsl." (Click on the file manager that will be found on the desktop. Highlight the file, then cllick mydsl.) |
| 16:25.32 | quiet | mwilson, and how can you create it? |
| 16:25.33 | ikaruga | dwk: good luck. |
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| 16:25.38 | Deek | mwilson: But you can't create it without extreme trickery. |
| 16:25.38 | Ungy | antgel sure but don;t come in here and start berating people who are trying to help you Just irks me man |
| 16:25.39 | solemn-lan | im trying to compile kernel2.6.13.1 but i keep getting a panic on boot |
| 16:25.42 | quiet | mwilson, well stated, btw |
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| 16:26.01 | Ungy | antgel it's like I want to invent a way to bitchslap people over th e internet |
| 16:26.04 | solemn-lan | Kernel Panic: VFS: failed to mount root fs |
| 16:26.06 | crazytaxzi | Deek: i was wondering what pkg you would need to run mac apps |
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| 16:26.16 | ikaruga | Again all, I got a soundcard with digital out (SPDF out). How do I enable that from sarge? |
| 16:26.17 | Deek | crazytaxzi: on what? |
| 16:26.19 | windows_free | antgel i am not saying it is not a kernel problem!!! IT ISSSSS... i am just saying that, despite of this problem, my system boots |
| 16:26.20 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: custom kernel? |
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| 16:26.25 | solemn-lan | yeah |
| 16:26.29 | crazytaxzi | debian GNU |
| 16:26.34 | solemn-lan | apt never has uptodate anyway :P |
| 16:26.37 | Deek | crazytaxzi: What kind of hardware? |
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| 16:26.39 | ezerhoden | what is the apt app that compile from source? |
| 16:26.49 | mwilson | quiet: I'm not sure how you'd do it on purpose... the filesystem should be actively trying to prevent you from doing it. |
| 16:27.06 | crazytaxzi | 782 mb ram x86 proc nvidia card |
| 16:27.07 | ezerhoden | apt-build, hehe rememebered |
| 16:27.18 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: disable initrd and compile FS you are using NOT as module |
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| 16:27.28 | quiet | mwilson, correct. This is where my point came in.. I want to know how it's possible to do it.. |
| 16:27.31 | Ungy | I did an windoews update on my homesystem(dual boot) and now my sid kernel panics on boot I found it hillarious although I can't figure out why |
| 16:27.31 | stew | emf: looks like posix=1 should be changed to case_sensitive=1 |
| 16:27.39 | solemn-lan | streuner: dont work |
| 16:27.40 | ma3x | is there voice talk for MSN messenger on Gaim? |
| 16:27.42 | Deek | crazytaxzi: On PPC hardware, mac-on-linux. On about anything else, pearpc and/or basiliskii |
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| 16:28.01 | stew | emf: at least that's what it looks like from looking at the changelog to the ntfs driver in the kenrel source |
| 16:28.06 | dvs | solemn-lan: you couldn't have possibly done that already. |
| 16:28.13 | solemn-lan | have |
| 16:28.16 | antgel | windows_free: when did i say it didn't boot? i just said you fucked it up and you got all egged because nobody likes to hear the truth |
| 16:28.24 | solemn-lan | ext2 and 3 are compiled included in kernel |
| 16:28.32 | crazytaxzi | thank you so much Deek |
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| 16:28.37 | crazytaxzi | you are a great help |
| 16:28.37 | solemn-lan | it panics whether i use initrd or not |
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| 16:28.42 | Deek | quiet: The last time I did it, I used a disk editor. |
| 16:28.43 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: which FS are you using? |
| 16:28.46 | dvs | solemn-lan: Then your IDE controller isn't |
| 16:28.50 | solemn-lan | ext2 and ext3 |
| 16:28.57 | solemn-lan | dvs: i included ata and ide |
| 16:29.00 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: minix as well |
| 16:29.04 | solemn-lan | WTF |
| 16:29.07 | solemn-lan | i need minix? |
| 16:29.10 | dvs | solemn-lan: You exact chipset? |
| 16:29.10 | solemn-lan | why? |
| 16:29.11 | streuner_ | yes |
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| 16:29.16 | Deek | quiet: Like I used to make hardlinks on FAT disks. |
| 16:29.19 | solemn-lan | dvs: no idea |
| 16:29.19 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: because ! |
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| 16:29.38 | Deek | (which chkdsk calls "cross-linked files") |
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| 16:29.52 | quiet | Deek, interesting. I'd certainly like to see it. (I do believe you, I just want to see it) |
| 16:29.52 | stew | emf: check out ChangeLog in fs/ntfs in the kernel sources |
| 16:30.00 | cahoot | streuner: is that really true - about minix? |
| 16:30.05 | windows_free | antgel ok... never mind... a simple question... how do i read the mails that send me to bitchx? |
| 16:30.17 | emf | stew: do you have an url handy? |
| 16:30.21 | streuner_ | cahoot: well, it was true a while ago... |
| 16:30.21 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 16:30.43 | cahoot | streuner: # CONFIG_MINIX_FS is not set -n myrunning 2.6.13.1 |
| 16:30.44 | jeffro | hello |
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| 16:30.59 | solemn-lan | rebuilding with minix support...... |
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| 16:31.03 | streuner_ | cahoot: hm |
| 16:31.07 | stew | emf: no, i'm just looking at 2.6.12 source. try replacing posix=1 with case_sensitive=1 |
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| 16:31.12 | myren | arg, i knwe there were open office 2 debs somewhere once |
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| 16:31.17 | Deek | quiet: Anyway, there's nothing in the filesystem structure that forces case-insensitivity. Like hardlinks in FAT, it's a convention that's enforced by their tools. |
| 16:31.19 | antgel | jeffro: are you an east london version of jethro? |
| 16:31.26 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: do you use SCSI? |
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| 16:31.39 | solemn-lan | streuner: IDE |
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| 16:31.44 | myren | not on apt-get.org tho. :/ |
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| 16:32.04 | jeffro | I just got an problem, i recently installed debian on a pentium 133 mhz but after i apt-getted using apt-get to get xserver-xfree86 but now if i try to run startx nothing will happen |
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| 16:32.18 | emf | stew: I works!. Thanks much :) |
| 16:32.19 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: you need those drivers for you cotroller as well not as module, somebody mentioned it already |
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| 16:32.34 | streuner_ | s/cotroller/controller/ |
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| 16:32.40 | Deek | quiet: Of course, that's pretty clear -- UFS is not that much different from FAT, for example. |
| 16:32.41 | antgel | jeffro: need to post the error. need to install x-window-system-core. need to get a faster machine (maybe) |
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| 16:33.03 | dpy | hi guys |
| 16:33.03 | jeffro | thereisnt a error it saysit doenst exist |
| 16:33.06 | stew | quiet: mwilson: are you guys paying attention? it seems that the ntfs drive DOES support case_sensitive |
| 16:33.09 | quiet | yes |
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| 16:33.24 | stew | ^drive^driver |
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| 16:33.42 | dpy | does anyone here know a tool with which I can query information from a .iso file ? (e.g. title, format, mode whatever) |
| 16:33.56 | stew | emf: i'm going to file a documentation bug against mount |
| 16:33.56 | dpy | iso9660 |
| 16:34.00 | streuner_ | dpy: try 'file' |
| 16:34.06 | kementeus | another little question |
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| 16:34.17 | dpy | streuner: did that already |
| 16:34.18 | me_here | how can i disable servermessages (join,part) in irssi ? |
| 16:34.24 | jeffro | exit |
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| 16:34.30 | antgel | me_here: /ig #debian joins parts quits |
| 16:34.31 | dvs | kementeus: YOu've reached you quota! ;-) |
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| 16:34.37 | dpy | foos.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data |
| 16:34.41 | dpy | this is not what I mean |
| 16:34.43 | streuner_ | !nospambots |
| 16:34.43 | dpkg | [nospambot] http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
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| 16:34.56 | dpy | I want all info from the ISO9660 image |
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| 16:35.08 | emf | stew: thank you again |
| 16:35.08 | dpy | disc title, creator, mode, anything you can think of |
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| 16:35.11 | me_here | antgel: thank you |
| 16:35.12 | kementeus | I have a Debian based server running in a remote server, using right now a 2.4 based kernel (the server is SATA and P4 3.2); but when I try to upgrade the server it doesn't boot telling me a message like 'unable to find /dev/console' |
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| 16:35.20 | kementeus | any idea what is wrong with it? |
| 16:35.20 | antgel | dpy: are you sure you know what you want? are these things even stored in the iso? |
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| 16:35.36 | dpy | yes they are stored in the iso |
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| 16:35.44 | antgel | kementeus: when you say upgrade, you don't tell us what you upgraded |
| 16:35.45 | dpy | I can set them through an option in mkisofs |
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| 16:35.58 | dpy | volid, volname |
| 16:36.04 | dpy | maybe not the mode |
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| 16:36.11 | kementeus | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 16:36.19 | dpy | then I can just dd the .iso to /dev/scd0 |
| 16:36.21 | kementeus | sorry, I upgrade just the kernel |
| 16:36.41 | antgel | kementeus: was the previous kernel debian stock? |
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| 16:36.56 | emf | maintaining mount documentation must be difficult because they depend on other people code. Maybe mount_ntfs, mount_nfs, etc like freebsd would be a good idea. |
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| 16:37.08 | kementeus | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 16:37.27 | emf | s/people code/people's code/ I think |
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| 16:38.19 | streuner_ | !tell plk about root |
| 16:38.25 | antgel | dpy: can't find one. could write your own util to work with libiso9660 |
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| 16:39.00 | antgel | should ops be kicking root? |
| 16:39.00 | dpy | nah:in that case I might as well write it to a CDRW and see what comes out |
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| 16:39.18 | streuner_ | antgel: no |
| 16:39.20 | kementeus | antgel: do you think I could have any trouble with the sata when changing the kernel? |
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| 16:39.41 | Deek | heh, gib still yells about ROOOOOOOT! |
| 16:39.44 | dvs | kementeus: What chipset? |
| 16:39.46 | antgel | kementeus: can you please not ignore my last question out of courtesy? |
| 16:39.55 | yang | stew: dist-upgrade updated pam and fixed telnetd problem |
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| 16:40.17 | Goran_ | sorry for the off-topic, but does debian on x86-64 use lib64 or just lib directory for 64bit libs? |
| 16:40.22 | streuner_ | antgel: if you ever had a problem your system is fscked and you can only use a knoppix live CD as root and you need help you enjoy your visit here... ;-) |
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| 16:40.31 | kementeus | dvs: Intel, I guess an ICH5 series |
| 16:40.44 | dvs | kementeus: What's the exact number? |
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| 16:40.46 | solemn-lan | streuner_: still wont work |
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| 16:40.55 | solemn-lan | i included minix fs support |
| 16:40.57 | kementeus | 82801EB |
| 16:40.57 | cahoot | dpy: a combination of dd and strings will do it |
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| 16:41.11 | antgel | streuner_: at least i won't ignore questions from people who are trying to help me. for free, nonetheless. rms would be proud. :) |
| 16:41.29 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: get a config of debian official kernels and disable initrd first.... |
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| 16:41.44 | cahoot | dpy: a least some of it |
| 16:41.46 | dvs | kementeus: Shouldn't be a problem with 2.6.8 |
| 16:41.54 | dpy | hmm |
| 16:41.56 | antgel | streuner_: i would join the channel and say "can anyone help me, i've hosed my system" :) |
| 16:41.59 | crazytaxzi | Deek: i know i am going to get on your nerves sooner or later lol... but i can't seem to get MoL on Debian |
| 16:42.01 | streuner_ | antgel: hehe :-) |
| 16:42.05 | kementeus | dvs: any idea the reason of the /dev/console message? |
| 16:42.07 | crazytaxzi | Deek: any ideas? |
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| 16:42.11 | Deek | No, rms would go off on a tear about freedom and GNU/Linux, never actually answering the question that was asked. |
| 16:42.12 | solemn-lan | streuner: IT WONT WORK WHETHER I USE INITRD OR NOT |
| 16:42.15 | finn_ | I just got a 17" TFT. I'm using a CRT at the moment. is there anything I have to change in the x config or can I just swap them? |
| 16:42.16 | dvs | kementeus: Don't know |
| 16:42.26 | Deek | crazytaxzi: Umm, you don't have a PPC. |
| 16:42.39 | antgel | Deek: rms wouldn't like the fact that my arsecheeks aren't free |
| 16:42.50 | crazytaxzi | i am running Debian on an Emachine... if that answers the question lol |
| 16:42.55 | antgel | solemn-lan: why are you shouting? |
| 16:42.57 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: scroll up, just use a config of debian official kernels |
| 16:43.01 | me_here | why does debian not generate all the locales i selected ? it just generates one |
| 16:43.05 | solemn-lan | they are too big |
| 16:43.09 | Deek | crazytaxzi: MoL is for PPC machines. |
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| 16:43.18 | solemn-lan | i want a minimal kernel for this box |
| 16:43.22 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: just make it for your needs |
| 16:43.25 | antgel | me_here: because you are doing something wrong |
| 16:43.30 | paines | hi |
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| 16:43.34 | crazytaxzi | oh lol like People PC's lol |
| 16:43.37 | paines | i have a problem with thie via_drv.o. when CRT monitor is attached, everything is cool, switched to TFT DVI, Xserver doesn't start |
| 16:43.38 | mwilson | stew: I was called away. It's fine if the driver supports case-sensitive... but it's a hack over the top of the non-case-sensitive filesystem underneath. |
| 16:43.40 | paines | any idea why |
| 16:43.40 | crazytaxzi | ok got ya |
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| 16:43.46 | finn_ | anybody? |
| 16:43.48 | solemn-lan | streuner_: why do i need to use a debian conf? |
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| 16:44.05 | antgel | solemn-lan: deb images are modularized anyway. won't load stuff you don't need |
| 16:44.17 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: because it works out of the box... |
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| 16:44.39 | mwilson | antgel: You're kidding, of course. Have you ever LOOKED at the list of modules that get loaded by a Debian kernel? |
| 16:44.42 | antgel | paines: i have a similar problem with dvi on my radeon 9200 |
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| 16:44.53 | Skaja | i need help with my hardware |
| 16:44.55 | nono31 | is there a program that tells me the size of one directory? (I mean the real size, not the disk usage as "du" does) |
| 16:44.55 | stew | mwilson: i don't understand how the underlying filesystem is case-insensitive or how it is necessarily a hack |
| 16:44.58 | mushu_ | hello every body |
| 16:44.59 | Deek | crazytaxzi: It's like a PowerPC version of...damn, what is that program? Oh, yeah. VMWare. |
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| 16:45.16 | paines | antgel, you managed to fix it ? |
| 16:45.20 | antgel | mwilson: i don't need to LOOK at the list to know that it only loads relevant modules for the hardware. |
| 16:45.23 | streuner_ | solemn-lan: there are over 500 options to configure kernels nowdays... |
| 16:45.30 | finn_ | it's a simplke yes-no question :( |
| 16:45.30 | clem_yeats | hi guys is there any graphical diff tool for X ? |
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| 16:45.38 | crazytaxzi | so i need VMWare to run Mac Apps? if i am following you right |
| 16:45.38 | dvs | clem_yeats: tkdiff |
| 16:45.42 | clem_yeats | thanks |
| 16:45.44 | mwilson | stew: NTFS is a case-insensitive filesytem. If you do something that makes it case-sensitive, then it's a hack. |
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| 16:45.59 | mwilson | antgel: Look sometime and see all the unnecessary IDE modules that stay loaded. |
| 16:46.06 | antgel | paines: nah. only happens at 1600x1200. i didn't care enough. think there is a bug report on fedora and xorg but nobody cares much more than me |
| 16:46.09 | Deek | mwilson: It only makes it case-sensitive on reads. |
| 16:46.19 | paines | antgel, :-( |
| 16:46.21 | antgel | mwilson: i can't. i build my own :P |
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| 16:46.46 | mwilson | antgel: Then don't say it only loads necessary modules. It doesn't. |
| 16:46.46 | antgel | paines: you should really describe the problem in more detail though. |
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| 16:47.01 | Skaja | i'm trying to add some commands to S30setserial file but i cant find the file in the /etc/rcS.d directory |
| 16:47.21 | mwilson | Skaja: Why do you think you need to modify that file? |
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| 16:47.35 | clem_yeats | where is gdm finding its screen resolution ? |
| 16:47.40 | Deek | crazytaxzi: No. VMWare is a Linux program that implements a virtual PC that you can boot, for example, Windows on. It runs _fairly_ fast because it doesn't have to emulate a CPU. |
| 16:47.43 | paines | antgel, well like said, when an TFT monitor is attched via normal vga cable, everything is cool, with dvi nothing |
| 16:47.43 | antgel | clem_yeats: in the X config |
| 16:47.47 | Skaja | so i can get my modem to dial out in linux |
| 16:47.51 | mwilson | clem_yeats: It's not. It's using what X provides. |
| 16:47.52 | clem_yeats | antgel : xorg.conf ? |
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| 16:48.01 | mwilson | Skaja: Huh? |
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| 16:48.15 | clem_yeats | because my resolution is fine once in gnome or KDE but not in GDM... :( |
| 16:48.15 | antgel | paines: that's just repeating. you didn't say what hardware you have. you didn't say what the error is. if you were me, how would you help you? |
| 16:48.26 | Deek | crazytaxzi: Mac-On-Linux is similar, except it implements a virtual Mac on PowerPC hardware, like Macs. |
| 16:48.47 | paines | antgel, ahh okay |
| 16:49.05 | paines | antgel, sorry, i'm sleepy |
| 16:49.06 | Deek | crazytaxzi: So if you had, say, a Mac laptop you could run Linux on it and then run Mac OS inside MoL. |
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| 16:49.14 | vagabund | !seen destiny |
| 16:49.15 | dpkg | destiny <n=lisa@229.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 26d 10h 40m 7s ago, saying: 'JimButton: you are as cute as a button, aren't you? :)'. |
| 16:49.15 | antgel | mwilson: i have found a box with a stock 2.6. the module list is eminitely reasonable |
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| 16:49.35 | finn_ | I want to swap a CRT with a TFT what do I have to change in the x config? |
| 16:49.37 | crazytaxzi | Deek: i see... is there a way to run Mac Apps on Debian though... like Wine does? |
| 16:49.42 | clem_yeats | mwilson : how can I change it so ? Which conf file ? |
| 16:49.43 | paines | lol |
| 16:49.45 | Skaja | i cant get my 56k modem to run under debian i need to add some commands in the S30setserial file |
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| 16:49.54 | antgel | !tell finn_ about vague |
| 16:49.54 | mwilson | Skaja: No, you don't. |
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| 16:49.58 | dvs | finn_: The horizontal and vertical frequencies most likely |
| 16:50.03 | Skaja | http://www.actiontec.com/support/modems/cwifaq.html#installlinux |
| 16:50.11 | Skaja | um yes i need to |
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| 16:50.19 | Deek | crazytaxzi: If you have a PC, then you would have to emulate a PowerPC (for newer macs) or Motorola 68k (for older Macs) processor, which is much slower. |
| 16:50.20 | antgel | Skaja: why don't you add them to a script called from bootmisc.sh? |
| 16:50.22 | emf | mwilson: I dont want to discuss this further because I have a solution already, but reading the source of the ntfs driver (Changelog, upcase.c, etc) is indeed instructive. |
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| 16:50.39 | psirom | Why would a machine constantly be sending out DHCP DISCOVER packets, when eth0 is up and working fine? |
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| 16:50.50 | Skaja | will that work antgel |
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| 16:51.08 | mwilson | Skaja: What is it that you think you need to send to the modem? |
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| 16:51.14 | crazytaxzi | Deek: is there a pkg that does that? cause i am trying to run Marathon Inifinity... |
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| 16:51.20 | Deek | psirom: A too-short lease renewal? |
| 16:51.31 | me_here | antgel: in /etc/locale.gen there is just one locale defined, but when preconfiguring through dialog i selected more, and i expected that they all get created automaticall |
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| 16:51.39 | mwilson | psirom: It's using a saved lease? |
| 16:51.48 | psirom | Deek, seems to be doing it every 5 minutes, will look into it |
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| 16:52.01 | Skaja | # setserial /dev/ttyS3 uart 16550A and # setserial /dev/ttyS3 port 0xa000 spd_vhi skip_test auto_irq autoconfig |
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| 16:52.05 | mwilson | Deek: Renewals wouldn't send a DISCOVER. |
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| 16:52.21 | Deek | mwilson: Shouldn't...but could. |
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| 16:52.31 | antgel | psirom: i have a wacky, out there idea. why not read the dhcp rfc? |
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| 16:52.43 | Evil_Devil | hi how can i read NTFS under user |
| 16:52.45 | mwilson | Deek: More likely it can't contact a DHCPd at all and is using a stored lease. |
| 16:52.58 | streuner_ | Evil_Devil: man exports |
| 16:53.07 | antgel | Evil_Devil: read the manual? google? man mount |
| 16:53.07 | streuner_ | oh, mistread it |
| 16:53.08 | kementeus | I found that in internet (the last post in this forum) |
| 16:53.08 | kementeus | http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=142203 |
| 16:53.10 | Deek | mwilson: Yes, that is indeed more likely, and I was going to mention it. :) |
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| 16:53.26 | kementeus | I've been reading and it makes sense about my kernel trouble |
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| 16:53.39 | kementeus | but I don't know if the approach would be usefull for me |
| 16:53.40 | kementeus | any idea? |
| 16:53.45 | Skaja | but i dont know i add # setserial /dev/ttyS3 port 0xa000 spd_vhi skip_test auto_irq autoconfig to the file |
| 16:53.57 | Deek | crazytaxzi: BasiliskII emulates a 68040 Mac, and PearPC emulates a PowerPC Mac. |
| 16:53.57 | mwilson | Skaja: And you wouldn't just use serial.conf because...? |
| 16:54.01 | streuner_ | Evil_Devil: /msg dpkg ntfs-ro |
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| 16:54.14 | Deek | crazytaxzi: But in both cases, you have to install the OS. |
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| 16:54.26 | Skaja | there is a serial.conf |
| 16:54.34 | Skaja | how do i use that |
| 16:54.42 | Deek | crazytaxzi: There is a version of the Marathon engine for Linux, though. |
| 16:54.49 | mwilson | ah, sh*t... phone again... |
| 16:54.50 | Evil_Devil | streuner_: Evil_Devil: /msg dpkg ntfs-ro it didnt worked |
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| 16:54.55 | Deek | crazytaxzi: It's called "aleph one". |
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| 16:55.49 | Deek | crazytaxzi: It's even free software. |
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| 16:56.03 | Skaja | how do i config serial.conf |
| 16:56.08 | Zero_Dogg | which device is usb2:3.0? |
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| 16:56.11 | streuner_ | Evil_Devil: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs |
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| 16:56.18 | streuner_ | Evil_Devil: try that then |
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| 16:57.07 | Evil_Devil | streuner_:no the comands under irc didnt worked i didnt see anything i am using gaim is it ptroblem? |
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| 16:57.24 | antgel | abrotman: thanks dude! |
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| 16:57.38 | streuner_ | !tell Evil_Devil about user accessible ntfs |
| 16:57.40 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 16:57.40 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 16:57.52 | abrotman | it doesn't exist |
| 16:57.52 | streuner_ | Evil_Devil: see? |
| 16:57.53 | bomb | !tell bomb about the birds and the bees |
| 16:57.56 | Evil_Devil | yes |
| 16:57.58 | streuner_ | ok |
| 16:58.11 | Skaja | !tell skaja about skaja |
| 16:58.19 | antgel | !tell Skaja about msg the bot |
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| 16:59.10 | crazytaxzi | Deek: lol ok i am back i don't know if you got my last message... all i am trying to do is run marathon infinity on Debian GNU/Linux but its in mac format so i guess the best way to ask is... can you run mac apps like you can with win apps with WINE |
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| 16:59.20 | too-quick | sup |
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| 16:59.30 | Deek | crazytaxzi: Not like wine. |
| 16:59.32 | Skaja | this bot does not reply to me |
| 16:59.45 | nvz | because you are asking it about things it doesnt know |
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| 16:59.47 | Deek | crazytaxzi: Because wine isn't an emulator. |
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| 17:00.08 | Deek | crazytaxzi: If you want to use a Mac program, you have to use a Mac emulator. |
| 17:00.10 | crazytaxzi | no its a win32 api runtime for linux...i know that much... |
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| 17:00.25 | Deek | They have different processors. |
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| 17:00.42 | crazytaxzi | ok what is a good mac emulator? or what one would you recomend? |
| 17:00.44 | Skaja | how do i config or where is serial.conf file |
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| 17:01.57 | Deek | BasiliskII is good, for 68k Macs, and runs at good speed. PearPC is really freakin' slow, but does a fair job at emulating a G3 Mac. |
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| 17:02.41 | antgel | Skaja: for starters have a look in /usr/share/doc |
| 17:02.55 | antgel | Skaja: oops. /usr/share/doc/setserial/ |
| 17:02.55 | Zero_Dogg | I've got a usb mouse, how can i set this up in sarge on a laptop to work alongside with the touchpad? |
| 17:03.04 | crazytaxzi | so basiliskll on an emachine with an amd Proc? |
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| 17:03.10 | Deek | BasiliskII does quite a lot of virtualization, which lets it run faster (it's only emulating the CPU), |
| 17:03.17 | antgel | Zero_Dogg: pray tell us what you have done so far to try and get it working |
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| 17:03.44 | cheal | Zero_Dogg: AFAIK, plug it |
| 17:03.54 | Zero_Dogg | antgel: well, I've attempted to set it up in the xfree config, however I can't for the life of me find out which device it is at |
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| 17:04.00 | Skaja | thanks is that all? |
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| 17:04.09 | crazytaxzi | ok but the question is... that's all i need or do i also need the mac os? |
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| 17:04.18 | Deek | Yes, you need the Mac OS. |
| 17:04.33 | Deek | But you can download that legally. |
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| 17:04.46 | nvz | abrotman: that gmaps pedometer kicks ass :P if only it recorded elevation or something it would really be cool |
| 17:04.48 | crazytaxzi | free? that is awesome |
| 17:04.58 | abrotman | nvz: picky picky :) |
| 17:05.05 | Deek | The trick is finding the ROM. |
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| 17:05.21 | crazytaxzi | oh |
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| 17:05.32 | Deek | And I'm not gonna help ya there. |
| 17:05.33 | cheal | Zero_Dogg: which mouse device does your X use? |
| 17:05.34 | crazytaxzi | guess i will have to find another port of marathon infinity then... lol |
| 17:05.55 | Zero_Dogg | cheal: /dev/psaux for the touchpad |
| 17:06.02 | nvz | abrotman: well I realized using it that my Sewickley and Bell Acres routes are both 5.5miles, but the Bell Acres one is like 10x the workout due to running up the valley instead of along the edge of it |
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| 17:06.09 | cheal | Zero_Dogg: did you try /dev/input/mice ? |
| 17:06.15 | jeffro | hey there |
| 17:06.15 | Zero_Dogg | cheal: yep |
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| 17:06.20 | jeffro | can starx |
| 17:06.24 | jeffro | i cannot |
| 17:06.26 | cheal | Zero_Dogg: how was it? |
| 17:06.28 | jeffro | start xdm |
| 17:06.38 | abrotman | x-window-system-core |
| 17:06.38 | bomb | jeffro: complete sentences please. |
| 17:06.40 | Zero_Dogg | cheal: though not on the synaptics device, only in the USB config |
| 17:06.45 | Deek | following still |
| 17:06.48 | Zero_Dogg | cheal: no change |
| 17:06.48 | Deek | you not |
| 17:06.51 | bomb | no |
| 17:06.52 | bomb | me dumb |
| 17:06.56 | jeffro | Yeah but in xhcat-text my sentenect are getting cut off |
| 17:06.59 | ke6isf | !lastlog linux-noob |
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| 17:07.02 | bomb | drag girlfriend by hair |
| 17:07.06 | cheal | Zero_Dogg: the USB mouse didn't work? what's your kernel? |
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| 17:07.14 | jeffro | But now it is complaining it can find my mouse |
| 17:07.20 | jeffro | cant find |
| 17:07.21 | bomb | jeffro: use a real irc client |
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| 17:07.40 | jeffro | I can without a dsiplay manager |
| 17:07.44 | nvz | abrotman: I like it though I can map out specific routes and distances by hand and even save and bookmark them |
| 17:07.45 | jeffro | cant |
| 17:07.47 | Zero_Dogg | cheal: 2.4.27, no didn't work. I've probably done something wrong, but I'm not sure what, I can provice my X config if needed |
| 17:07.54 | abrotman | nvz: it is neat though isn't it ? |
| 17:08.02 | yarddog | you dont need X to run irssi or bitchx |
| 17:08.04 | jeffro | But how cani reconfigure my mouse? |
| 17:08.15 | Deek | crazytaxzi: I tell you, Aleph One. |
| 17:08.16 | nvz | abrotman: yep. automatically places mile markers and everything |
| 17:08.17 | bomb | jeffro: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:08.29 | jeffro | ok thank |
| 17:08.30 | nvz | abrotman: if it had elevation markers, it would be titties |
| 17:08.55 | Deek | mmmm... |
| 17:09.05 | Deek | Oh, sorry, was having a moment. |
| 17:09.12 | cheal | Zero_Dogg: sorry, I only use 2.6 |
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| 17:09.43 | Zero_Dogg | cheal: not much difference with that I'd think, but okay, 2.6 is not an option here |
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| 17:10.29 | nvz | speaking of tities.. according to Marilyn Manson (my simple minded brother thinks he is some kind of genius and is reading his book) I glanced through his book the other day, and according to marilyn manson, if you are not thinking about tits right now you are a drug addict and a homosexual |
| 17:10.31 | crazytaxzi | Deek: so if i am getting this right... Aleph one is a open source version of Marathon? |
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| 17:10.42 | abrotman | nvz: no .. no! |
| 17:10.49 | ke6isf | nvz: He sounds repressed. |
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| 17:10.55 | nvz | there is another condition that fell into both categories but I cant recall what it was |
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| 17:11.01 | abrotman | nvz: you realize .. marilyn manson is messed up ? |
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| 17:11.03 | nvz | he had a whole chapter on his opinions of things |
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| 17:11.37 | Deek | crazytaxzi: Basically. |
| 17:11.45 | nvz | abrotman: I realize it.. I tried to explain to my brother he's a shock star who does things to ammuse simple minded people like him.. and he still thinks he's a genius |
| 17:12.20 | Deek | crazytaxzi: The old data needs some conversion before it will play, but it works. |
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| 17:12.32 | antgel | he's not messed up, it's an image. he has millions of followers who think that they are different. oh the irony |
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| 17:12.58 | nvz | I live with the kind of people who sit around and get spoonfed every day about this hurricane from CNN.. and they actually believe its a purely natural disaster |
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| 17:13.37 | crazytaxzi | Deek: lol i see... you want me to step up to the Programmer spot... lol |
| 17:13.44 | Deek | nvz: It's just a mostly natural disaster. |
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| 17:13.48 | ke6isf | nvz: And they won't be convinced that negligence plays a large part in it? |
| 17:13.49 | atrus | nvz: is there any solid-ish evidince otherwise? |
| 17:13.56 | abrotman | nvz: he attended the Pittsburgh public schools eh? :) |
| 17:14.10 | atrus | nvz: i assum you're talking global warming? |
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| 17:14.32 | Lee__ | is there a way to prevent apt from ever installing a specific package? |
| 17:14.34 | Deek | atrus: Most likely, he's referring to the after-the-fact handling of it. |
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| 17:14.43 | eeyore- | nvz: i can't help but think of *anything* but tits when i look at marilyn manson. when i see her, i think, "anorexic, dementia" |
| 17:14.45 | dvs | Lee__: Hold? |
| 17:14.45 | ke6isf | !tell Lee__ -about hold |
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| 17:14.52 | Lee__ | thanks |
| 17:15.08 | Deek | hold doesn't work for that. |
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| 17:15.23 | Deek | Sounds like he wants to completely blacklist a package. |
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| 17:15.38 | nvz | you need no solid evidence to understand that the natural disaster was artificially inflated to make it seem worse only for bush's company to get paid to fix the problem, and hype it up on tv to take your mind off the fact that we are still making graves over seas with americans |
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| 17:15.44 | antgel | Lee__: why? |
| 17:15.52 | Deek | I know of no way to do that short of using equivs to conflict with it. |
| 17:16.01 | Jacky^ | hi, how can i gat info about dir installation of a deb package ? |
| 17:16.06 | Jacky^ | get* |
| 17:16.12 | abrotman | dpkg -L ? |
| 17:16.14 | Deek | and then putting a hold on the equivs-generated package |
| 17:16.15 | Lee__ | antgel: because I am using the CVS code and don't want apt to overwrite anything from it. |
| 17:16.20 | Jacky^ | thanks |
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| 17:16.25 | antgel | !tell Lee__ about equivs |
| 17:16.30 | nvz | listen to a few RATM records.. everything you see on tv anymore they've already written a song about years ago. |
| 17:16.31 | Lee__ | hold doesn't work for packages that aren't already installed. |
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| 17:16.45 | stew | i dunno that equive is the right thing as it would satisfy dependencies on the not installed package which isn't right |
| 17:16.54 | ke6isf | Lee__: Well, what's the application? |
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| 17:17.21 | antgel | stew: sounded to me like he's building the package from cvs |
| 17:17.32 | stew | the right way would probably be to create a virtual package which conflicts directly with the package he doesn't want to install and put that on hold |
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| 17:17.55 | Deek | nvz: Because RatM are some of the great minds of the 20th, right? |
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| 17:18.05 | stew | oh i missed the cvs part |
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| 17:18.41 | antgel | nvz: ratm are a fraud. tom morello is more middle class than i am |
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| 17:19.19 | Lee__ | ke6isf: asterisk zaptel asterisk-config and all deps. |
| 17:19.49 | samuel | anyone know what happened to mp3 in totem? |
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| 17:19.52 | Lee__ | it's more for others then myself. I don't want to leave and the next person accidently overwrites all the Asterisk configs. |
| 17:19.58 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 17:19.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:20.02 | Lee__ | samuel: it's not there cause it's not free. |
| 17:20.05 | samuel | does it work in sid for ppl or not any longer? |
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| 17:20.15 | abrotman | how does that shit keep getting changed? |
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| 17:20.18 | samuel | Lee__, ive got marillat |
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| 17:20.28 | Lee__ | not sure than. |
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| 17:20.31 | ke6isf | Lee__: Well, back up the configs then. |
| 17:20.35 | nvz | he only spoke the truth "Mister anchor assure me\That Baghdad is burning\Your voice it is so soothing\That cunning mantra of killing\I need you my witness\To dress this up so bloodless\To numb me and purge me of thoughts of blaming you\Yes the car is our weelchair\My witness your coughing\Oily silence mocks the legless\Now traveling in coffins..." "..Mass graves for the pump and the price is set.." |
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| 17:20.53 | stew | abrotman: i think that one is an improvement (assuming you are talking about the factoid) |
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| 17:20.58 | Deek | nvz: The truth is, in the days immediately preceding the local and state governments just completely blew it, and then a couple days later FEMA (because Bush appointed a moron) blew it. |
| 17:21.06 | antgel | please, not politics |
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| 17:21.08 | Deek | And has continued to blow it. |
| 17:21.09 | abrotman | stew: yes it is .. but they just keep changing .. at a rapid pace |
| 17:21.20 | nvz | any one of the songs fits like a puzzle into current events.. hell the 2nd verse of How I Could Just Kill A Man was on CNN last week |
| 17:21.27 | Deek | That's my last statement in here on that subject. |
| 17:21.41 | Lee__ | ke6isf: that's not exactly an elegant solution. |
| 17:21.43 | abrotman | Deek: you forgot DHS |
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| 17:21.56 | Deek | abrotman: Poland, too. |
| 17:22.00 | ke6isf | Lee__: True, it's a hack, but it's a Good Idea anyway. |
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| 17:22.05 | abrotman | Deek: germany? |
| 17:22.11 | stew | Lee__: did you look at equivs? install equiv packages and put them on hold |
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| 17:22.19 | Lee__ | ke6isf: you insult me! not keeping backups?! ha! |
| 17:22.26 | evil_andy | Does debian have a nice init.d script for setting up iptables? or do you have to script your own? |
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| 17:22.32 | Lee__ | stew: that looks like the answer, thanks. |
| 17:22.34 | Deek | abrotman: ("You forgot Poland!") |
| 17:22.41 | ke6isf | Lee__: Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! =^_^= |
| 17:22.48 | dvs | Ni! |
| 17:22.50 | evil_andy | debian 3.1 that is |
| 17:22.59 | Lee__ | that's a much better insult than "you should keep backups" |
| 17:23.04 | abrotman | evil_andy: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* read them all |
| 17:23.11 | stew | evil_andy: used to. it was since removed |
| 17:23.11 | antgel | evil_andy: /usr/share/doc |
| 17:23.12 | ke6isf | Lee__: I try. =^_^= |
| 17:23.16 | Lee__ | !knoppixsmite ke6isf |
| 17:23.18 | evil_andy | abrotman, alright, thanks |
| 17:23.29 | abrotman | well .. you can probably leave out the copyright and changelog files :) |
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| 17:23.35 | Skaja1 | antgel i could not find that doc file |
| 17:23.48 | ke6isf | !gentoosmite Lee__ |
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| 17:24.42 | Deek | abrotman: Anyway, FEMA's part of DHS, and it's the part whose job it is to manage this thing. |
| 17:24.45 | nvz | I dont know why when I type Leetsdale into this gmaps pedometer it puts me like 15mi southeast on Pittsburgh.. its puzzling |
| 17:24.52 | Skaja1 | how do i auth |
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| 17:25.12 | ke6isf | Skaja1: How do you auth... what? |
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| 17:25.50 | Deek | haha, nice gentoosmite |
| 17:25.55 | Skaja1 | yea irc auth with my user name and password |
| 17:26.08 | Evil_Devil | is this gona work in fstab for normal user to mount the ntfs partition. |
| 17:26.08 | Evil_Devil | /dev/sda7 /media/win ntfs ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:26.09 | Deek | that's "identify". |
| 17:26.12 | ke6isf | Skaja1: /msg nickserv help |
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| 17:26.42 | mwilson | AUGH! |
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| 17:26.48 | eeyore- | Evil_Devil: yep, it's either "user" or "users", "man mount" and search forward to "Mount options for ntfs" |
| 17:27.03 | Deek | user |
| 17:27.18 | Evil_Devil | ok thanks |
| 17:27.29 | ke6isf | mwilson: Dude! Every time you do that, you kill a dozen deer ticks! Think of the children! =^_^= |
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| 17:27.59 | bowman | hi - any nessus users around knowing what BID, CVE and CAN mean? |
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| 17:28.08 | Deek | bomb: ditto |
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| 17:28.23 | Deek | Hell, I still have /cdrom |
| 17:28.31 | bomb | hah |
| 17:28.34 | nite613 | bowman: Yes |
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| 17:28.43 | Evil_Devil | and is it gona automount the ntfs partition in need of use? |
| 17:28.46 | bsoccermatebob | hi there |
| 17:28.54 | bowman | nite613: can you pass your knowledge to me? ;) |
| 17:28.57 | Deek | Evil_Devil: no |
| 17:28.59 | bomb | Evil_Devil: wtf do you think 'no auto' means? |
| 17:28.59 | samuel | anyone know what the difference is between totem-xine and totem? doesnt gstreamer work? or why use xine? |
| 17:29.04 | nite613 | bowman: BugtraqID, Common Vulnerabilities/Exposures, and Candidate (for CVE) |
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| 17:29.28 | bomb | Evil_Devil: you need to read the man page for mount, and learn how to mount manually before you start adding anything to /etc/fstab |
| 17:29.30 | nite613 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.37 | Evil_Devil | i think noauto is not to mount the partition automaticaly at boot am i wrong? |
| 17:29.40 | bsoccermatebob | who are you people |
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| 17:29.45 | Deek | Evil_Devil: Correct. |
| 17:30.01 | ke6isf | bsoccermatebob: We are legion. |
| 17:30.05 | bowman | nite613: ah, cute... are there websites where I can read up the CVE/CAN entries? |
| 17:30.16 | ke6isf | How rude. He asks who we are, and quits promptly. |
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| 17:30.39 | nite613 | bowman: cve.mitre.org |
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| 17:30.47 | bowman | nite613: thank you! |
| 17:30.55 | SerajewelKS | what's a good lightweight desktop environment that can properly handle dualhead? right now i'm using icewm and it's okay. |
| 17:30.57 | Evil_Devil | so every time i need the partition i deev to mount it manualy? |
| 17:31.22 | Evil_Devil | so every time i need the partition i need to mount it manualy? |
| 17:31.23 | Deek | Evil_Devil: And umount it when you're done, yes. |
| 17:31.25 | bomb | Evil_Devil: /etc/fstab is for mounting at boot. |
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| 17:31.42 | Evil_Devil | ok |
| 17:31.44 | SerajewelKS | !repeat |
| 17:31.44 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:31.49 | Deek | bomb: Or for mounting easier. |
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| 17:31.58 | Evil_Devil | 10x i understanded it now thanks again |
| 17:32.01 | bomb | (i don't want to confuse him.) |
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| 17:32.15 | Deek | e.g. mount /cdrom instead of mount -t salkfjwddl;k /cdrom |
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| 17:32.23 | FlopsyPete | if the gimp-print package has been split out of the gimp package in testing and unstable, in stable is it bound up in the gimp package and so gimp should just require cups installed in order to print? |
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| 17:32.58 | bomb | ok, you used the word 'gimp' wayyyyy too many times |
| 17:33.04 | bomb | i can't even read that |
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| 17:33.15 | antgel | FlopsyPete: why not just try it? |
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| 17:33.31 | fushock | Only cool people use debian on non-x86. |
| 17:33.39 | fushock | So there. |
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| 17:33.45 | FlopsyPete | abtgel: someones reporting problems with it at a remote site and I'm trying to understand whats going on |
| 17:33.45 | ke6isf | bomb: gimp Well, he's gimp referring to gimp. =^_^= |
| 17:33.48 | Deek | I'll have gimp, gimp, gimp, and gimp, eggs on the side. |
| 17:33.52 | bomb | hah |
| 17:33.53 | eng__ | I can't install XLV 8.0 |
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| 17:33.58 | ke6isf | Deek: Eggs are off. |
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| 17:34.15 | Deek | ("But I don't like gimp!") |
| 17:34.17 | furrywolf_ | You know your laptop has teeny tiny tinny speakers when... Andrew Eldritch's voice is below the low end of their frequency response. |
| 17:34.18 | mwelsh | is gimp the new marklar? |
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| 17:34.33 | ke6isf | fnord! |
| 17:34.34 | eng__ | Error ;not found "gnomeConfig.sh" |
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| 17:35.10 | antgel | eng__: you are vaguer than, er, um, doh! |
| 17:35.18 | bomb | eng__: find that package that contains that file. install it. |
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| 17:35.57 | bleaked | i am a long time gentoo user and have decided to do a little exploring. i've noticed a lot of distros and live-cds are based off of debian, and so in order to learn the basics of them all in one sweep, i've decided to get to the root and install debian. is there a good document or two that outlines some of the things i should know about the distro before i even attempt to install? i ask because i find that i install distros and then fin |
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| 17:36.04 | bomb | what the heck is 'XLV' anyway |
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| 17:36.10 | antgel | !tell bleaked about install guide |
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| 17:36.20 | antgel | !tell bleaked about reference |
| 17:36.29 | abrotman | refcard! |
| 17:36.31 | furrywolf_ | oh, and debian's discover package rather incorrectly detects my sound card, and somehow gets a non-functional module to load,,, |
| 17:36.49 | abrotman | !tell bleaked about why debian |
| 17:36.52 | abrotman | !tell bleaked about refcard |
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| 17:37.12 | bleaked | your bot doesn't seem to like you. |
| 17:37.27 | antgel | bleaked: did it like neither of us? |
| 17:37.29 | Deek | He doesn't like a lot of people. |
| 17:37.39 | Deek | We're mean to him. |
| 17:37.56 | antgel | bleaked: you can /msg him e.g. /msg dpkg install guide |
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| 17:38.33 | quad3datwork | logger="splogger qmail 2" this default logs to /var/log which file? |
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| 17:38.53 | antgel | that is so beautifully phrased |
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| 17:39.10 | Deek | Been gone since 2000 when I disappeared under a pile of Quake. |
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| 17:39.26 | bleaked | antgel: oh i see..he msged me. (msgs are not very obvious in irssi) |
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| 17:39.52 | asg | antgel: bastard ;) |
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| 17:40.07 | sonia | bonsoir |
| 17:40.12 | ke6isf | !fr |
| 17:40.13 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 17:40.45 | nvz | AHH!! fucker! |
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| 17:40.53 | furrywolf_ | now I need to find someone with an access point to test the wifi... /me contemplates heading down to the local coffee shop. |
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| 17:40.58 | crazytaxzi | is there a way to make a standard user have the same privledges on Debian as the Root? |
| 17:41.08 | ke6isf | furrywolf_: That would be a wise solution. |
| 17:41.11 | asg | crazytaxzi: sudo |
| 17:41.15 | antgel | asg: you love it. don't know if you follow football, but arsenal are _not_ playing too well atm. |
| 17:41.17 | Deek | crazytaxzi: Of course, but that would be crazy. |
| 17:41.25 | crazytaxzi | lol |
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| 17:41.35 | asg | antgel: I left Huddersfield in '83, I watch when I can |
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| 17:41.37 | antgel | crazytaxzi: as it sounds like you are a bit clueless, better tell us what you want to acheive |
| 17:41.41 | crazytaxzi | i can't move things or copy them... and i don't know the command lines to do it |
| 17:41.44 | bleaked | crazytaxzi: it's a dangerous security risk.. |
| 17:41.46 | ke6isf | crazytaxzi: That might be unwise. Root is there to specifically give people omnipotency, and you don't want that on a normal user. |
| 17:41.55 | nvz | apperently war memorial park is a damn separate image on this map, and everytime I try to route around it firefox pops up that stupid image toolbar |
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| 17:41.58 | antgel | asg: did _not_ know that. where you based now? do you miss bitter? |
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| 17:42.25 | abrotman | we stole asg |
| 17:42.31 | asg | antgel: Southern US. There are a few local places that have Tetleys and other choice items. Sam Smith's I can get in bottles but it's bloody expensive. |
| 17:42.38 | Deek | A .50-cal sniper rifle...wonderful device. |
| 17:42.39 | bleaked | crazytaxzi: open a terminal, and type 'man mv' and 'man cp' -- mv and cp are the commands you're looking for. |
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| 17:42.51 | quad3datwork | logger="splogger qmail 2" this default logs to /var/log which file? |
| 17:42.57 | antgel | asg: support huddersfield town? |
| 17:43.13 | FarrisG | When trying to ssh -vvv I get " we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply". After that, it tries to use id_dsa, even though the id_rsa file should be correct. Then I get "Permission denied (public key)" |
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| 17:43.17 | humbraro | its like diet guiness |
| 17:43.19 | asg | antgel: once upon a time. I've always been a big Liverpool fan though. |
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| 17:43.33 | honschu | How to get to know what kind of webserver is runningn on IP 192.168.84.2 ? |
| 17:43.41 | honschu | it's in my LAN |
| 17:43.47 | abrotman | go look at it ? |
| 17:43.47 | Deek | humbraro: So it comes in smaller bites, or what? |
| 17:43.51 | bomb | haha |
| 17:43.54 | humbraro | hehe |
| 17:43.54 | asg | antgel: one of the local pub owners is from Newcastle so we get into it from time to time :) |
| 17:43.54 | bleaked | crazytaxzi: otherwise, if you want to use a GUI file manager, run it with sudo..so like 'sudo file-manager-here' |
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| 17:44.07 | crazytaxzi | ok |
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| 17:44.26 | humbraro | its lighter than a stout, but the head and consistancy are very close |
| 17:44.28 | bomb | he's probably having issues with permissions |
| 17:44.34 | bomb | crazytaxzi: man chmod |
| 17:44.46 | antgel | asg: what's it like over there? i'm pondering emigration to .us, .il, or .au but need to make lots of money first then sell my business |
| 17:44.52 | bleaked | crazytaxzi: and if you do it often, make a link or shortcut of some kind in your desktop environment running that command. |
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| 17:45.04 | Deek | ("I think you'll find it an excellent substitute for...food.") |
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| 17:45.19 | asg | antgel: it has good bits and bad bits, like anywhere. You need to be very selective if you want good public transport. Some cities do well, others don't |
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| 17:45.29 | nvz | I cant stress enough how important it is to be very conservative with firefox extensions.. its insane how ignorantly some of them overlap one another.. and become royally fucking annoying |
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| 17:45.43 | nvz | there needs to be some kind of policy enforcement in extension design |
| 17:45.47 | ke6isf | asg: Are there any brewpubs near wher eyou are? |
| 17:45.52 | mwilson | yet another reason not to bother with them at all. |
| 17:46.06 | Deek | I have exactly five extensions. |
| 17:46.12 | mwilson | Most of them are worthless anyway. How many different ways do you need to check your gmail account, anyway? |
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| 17:46.22 | asg | ke6isf: there used to be Dilworth Brewery but they have gone out of business. There are quite a few up in the mountains (about 2 hours or so away). |
| 17:46.25 | abrotman | ke6isf: there are brew pubs everywhere |
| 17:46.30 | abrotman | asg: wait .. you don't have any? |
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| 17:46.37 | abrotman | i have like .. 10 within 20 miles :) |
| 17:46.39 | Deek | DOM, greasemonkey, tabbrowser prefs, user agent switcher, and tab x. |
| 17:46.40 | caphuso | one for each gmail account, AFAIC |
| 17:46.40 | ke6isf | abrotman: Yes, I know - I live near no fewer than two. |
| 17:46.40 | ofer0 | i am connecting to the internet using a router. i want to change my gateway because my new network works in 192.168.168.* instead of 10.0.0.*. how can i do it thru GUI ? there was some gnome program that i forgot its name. something like gnome-network-admin |
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| 17:46.48 | DarKnesS_WolF | guys how can i add fonts in debain i want to add some arabic fonts .. there is any tool or i just use mkfontdir ? |
| 17:47.10 | abrotman | maybe with 30 miles |
| 17:47.14 | ke6isf | asg: Hope they have good beer. |
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| 17:47.24 | mwilson | caphuso: Myself, I don't need any. I've not logged into my gmail account in months. |
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| 17:47.34 | asg | ke6isf: they used to |
| 17:47.37 | antgel | ofer0: shalom. i can't help with a gui, but man interfaces, then edit /etc/network/interfaces, then /etc/init.d/networking restart. easy as pie |
| 17:47.39 | eeyore- | debian now has "kernel-image-*" and "linux-image-*", what are the differences in short? |
| 17:47.40 | caphuso | mwilson: i never had one |
| 17:47.50 | antgel | eeyore-: the name |
| 17:47.55 | eeyore- | ah |
| 17:48.04 | ofer0 | antgel, shalom to you too & thanx alot |
| 17:48.05 | ofer0 | ill try that |
| 17:48.07 | eeyore- | i see the kernel-image-* are marked transition only :) |
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| 17:48.28 | Deek | because we have multiple kernels, of course. :) |
| 17:48.29 | bleaked | mwilson: why do you call it a disaster? |
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| 17:48.44 | antgel | gtg all, asg my match report will follow :P |
| 17:48.53 | asg | antgel: :) cool |
| 17:48.54 | nvz | abrotman: I think I am going to be riding more now that I have this neat little gadget to map out routes in advance. :) |
| 17:49.01 | ke6isf | bleaked: Oh, don't mind him, he's just embittered. |
| 17:49.04 | abrotman | nvz: you're a dork! |
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| 17:49.26 | Deek | I have a gmail, just in case -- unfortunately, it wouldn't let me have "deek" so I had to settle for "d2deek". |
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| 17:49.34 | eeyore- | Deek: question wasn't about the different versions :) was about the "linux" vs "kernel", but yeah, just renaming packages |
| 17:49.34 | abrotman | eeyore-: one is a kernel .. one is linux .. |
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| 17:49.36 | nvz | abrotman: heh. that route yesturday was murder.. |
| 17:49.42 | eeyore- | abrotman: *bonk* |
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| 17:49.45 | Rich^ | Does anyone know if you can install apt-get on Suse without probs? |
| 17:49.51 | abrotman | eeyore-: just renamed .. so now they could have hurd-image etc .. or bsd-image |
| 17:49.57 | abrotman | since kernel- was genereic |
| 17:50.03 | abrotman | nvz: i did 30miles on sunday :) |
| 17:50.14 | eeyore- | abrotman: they really plan to have bsd-image? i'm ... speechless |
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| 17:50.19 | abrotman | nvz: but if you want to talk to someone about bikign . ask stew .. he's a sick sick man :) |
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| 17:50.29 | nkuttler | Rich^: that's kind of off-topic |
| 17:50.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: you know .. debian/kfreebsd or whatever it is |
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| 17:50.45 | JonnyRo | How would i go about downgrading my installed libc, after the most recent update I cannot connect to some hosts |
| 17:50.46 | Deek | eeyore-: Of course. Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. |
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| 17:51.05 | JonnyRo | i'm running inside a UML so the new libc may be incompatible with my setup |
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| 17:51.15 | eeyore- | what's the "k" in kFreeBSD for? KDE? |
| 17:51.15 | Deek | eeyore-: glibc on a freebsd kernel. |
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| 17:51.33 | mwilson | JonnyRo: And what do you base this on? |
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| 17:51.46 | JonnyRo | mwilson, i noticed that smtp connections by postfix |
| 17:51.48 | JonnyRo | to a specific mail server |
| 17:51.51 | JonnyRo | mail.kaparel.com |
| 17:51.54 | JonnyRo | were timing out |
| 17:51.59 | JonnyRo | so i went over to my ubuntu system |
| 17:52.00 | Deek | eeyore-: the k stands for kernel |
| 17:52.01 | JonnyRo | on the same subnet |
| 17:52.05 | mwilson | JonnyRo: No, what do you base the idea that the problem is a changed libc on? |
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| 17:52.09 | abrotman | JonnyRo: STOP hitting enter |
| 17:52.15 | Deek | eeyore-: Because we're just using the kernel. |
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| 17:52.21 | JonnyRo | abrotman, my apologies |
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| 17:52.27 | bomb | Deek: are you working on that? |
| 17:52.29 | nvz | abrotman: I could do 30mi along the river say on the trail in morgantown or something.. but not here in the valley... |
| 17:52.34 | abrotman | JonnyRo: thank you |
| 17:52.48 | abrotman | nvz: yeah .. this was the perkiomen/schuylkill trails |
| 17:52.52 | Deek | bomb: No, just have my @d.o hat on when I say that. :) |
| 17:53.00 | bomb | sweet |
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| 17:53.01 | JonnyRo | mwilson, i upgraded to the newer libc this morning via apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:53.01 | abrotman | nvz: mostly gradual hills .. maybe 1-2% grade .. i'm a wuss :) |
| 17:53.06 | bomb | is that going to use ports like bsd? |
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| 17:53.19 | abrotman | Bomb: bsd kernel .. debian userland |
| 17:53.22 | samuel | what do i need for gstreamer to work with dvds? i have gstreamer0.8-dvd installed, but doesnt work for some reason |
| 17:53.24 | bomb | ah |
| 17:53.30 | Deek | bomb: Doubtful. It's a Debian system, not a BSD. |
| 17:53.31 | mwilson | JonnyRo: That's not an answer to my question. |
| 17:53.31 | JonnyRo | mwilson, a subsequent strace of telnet mail.kaparel.com 25 on both machines, reveals that one system can make sa successful connect( call, while the other one stalls |
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| 17:53.38 | bomb | word. |
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| 17:53.57 | nvz | abrotman: in morgantown they've got a rails to trails program, they've turned old railroads and rail bridges into a walking and biking trail that goes all around the city. its mostly all flat and right along the river. |
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| 17:54.53 | abrotman | nvz: tha'ts what i was on .. they're very nice .. i've done one near lebanon/lancaster also |
| 17:54.55 | JonnyRo | mwilson, both systems are different libc revisions. I also attempted to diagnose with netcat. NMAP coincidentally confirms that port 25 is open on mail.kaparel.com from the problem system, but strace shows that they use singificantly different system calls |
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| 17:55.13 | mwilson | Did you change kernels, too. |
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| 17:55.31 | nvz | abrotman: around here though you are pretty much riding up and down the main street if you dont want to hit any hills.. and that gets old real quick. |
| 17:55.37 | JonnyRo | mwilson, kernels are the same, both the test system and the problem system are inside UML virtual machines, running 2.4.28 |
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| 17:55.55 | nvz | and even there you cant go more than a mile or two without having to do at least 7% grade |
| 17:55.57 | abrotman | nvz: there's supposed to be a very intersting section of trail near breezewood .. part of the old abandoned turnpike |
| 17:56.08 | JonnyRo | mwilson, the problem could quite possibly be related to a UML-kernel/libc incompatibility introduced in the new version |
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| 17:56.41 | mwilson | JonnyRo: I suppose. It's not like it's hard to install the old libc. |
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| 17:57.27 | Zedman | is there somebody who knows how to set up an usb-camera (gtkam) there is maybe a kind of trick... "the camera cant be initalized" btw: I am on sarge |
| 17:57.29 | JonnyRo | mwilson, i am going to test this on another system, with the same version of debian, same libc, just not in the UML infrastructure |
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| 17:57.45 | nvz | I've mapped out 8.24mi of riding for today brings me out along War Memorial Park and then 3mi of mostly downhill or flat scenic cruise on the way back |
| 17:57.48 | JonnyRo | my "working" systems were Gentoo, and Ubuntu |
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| 17:58.51 | Slippy | anyone using jde? (java development environment) for emacs? |
| 17:58.54 | abrotman | nvz: you know .. you could just go riding :) |
| 17:59.03 | OCA| | ... |
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| 17:59.12 | metaperl | I'm having some trouble knowing if a debian pkg is installed or not |
| 17:59.21 | nvz | abrotman: yeah but yesturday I nearly died by time I made it to the top of sevin, cause I didnt plan ahead. |
| 17:59.25 | caphuso | metaperl: dpkg -l pkgname |
| 17:59.30 | asg | metaperl: dpkg -l |
| 17:59.37 | abrotman | nvz: don't plan! .. just go! |
| 17:59.39 | metaperl | caphuso:thanks... I was trying apt-cache show |
| 17:59.43 | metaperl | asg: thanks too |
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| 18:00.12 | nvz | abrotman: you pretty much got to be nuts to ride up either side of sevin.. I just wanted to zoom down Camp Meeting and there is no way anyone is riding up that fucker.. so I figured going up Sevin would be the easiest way to the top |
| 18:00.23 | Deek | Sir, shouldn't you sit down? |
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| 18:00.39 | abrotman | nvz: you were wrong! |
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| 18:04.17 | nvz | abrotman: hey only 1.05 Mi up sevin and only about the last half is really steep uphill from Little Sewickley Creek, it puts you 1.8Mi up Campmeeting which is solid gruesome uphill the whole way |
| 18:05.33 | Deek | And back! |
| 18:05.49 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying to get a wider understanding of printing... whats the difference between foomatic-db-gimpprint and cupsys-driver gimpprint? why use foomatic-db-hpijs over hpijs? |
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| 18:06.17 | Deek | FlopsyPete: foomatic is a filter |
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| 18:06.53 | Deek | FlopsyPete: To convert whatever's passed in into PostScript |
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| 18:07.14 | FlopsyPete | Deek: does cupsys-driver-gimpprint not do the same thing? |
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| 18:07.42 | Deek | 'course, I don't use any of that fancy-schmancy stuff. |
| 18:08.00 | Deek | lpd and magicfilter, baybee. |
| 18:08.09 | abrotman | nvz: are you gonna cry? :) |
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| 18:08.34 | quiet | Does anyone know of OO.o 1.9.x debian packages? |
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| 18:08.48 | cheal | !tell quiet about openoffice.org |
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| 18:09.17 | Deek | Handles everything I throw at it. |
| 18:09.18 | quiet | thank you cheal |
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| 18:09.46 | abrotman | quiet: #debian-oo |
| 18:09.58 | OCA| | Is SOCKS in the apt-get repositories? |
| 18:10.22 | quiet | abrotman, yep, I'm going to check that out too.. lookng at openoffice.debian.net right now. |
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| 18:10.31 | Deek | And the rest of the network just uses a passthrough filter, so all the filtering happens on the machine with the printer. |
| 18:10.39 | FlopsyPete | I have a HP printer, the foomatic site recommends hplip, to my current understanding that means I don't need cupsys-driver-gimpprint or foomatic-db-gimpprint, or any other driver. am I wrong? |
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| 18:10.54 | FlopsyPete | just hplip |
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| 18:11.09 | cheal | FlopsyPete: I think that's right |
| 18:11.13 | Phr0zenKore_ | how do i strcpy an sprintf() to a string in C++? |
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| 18:11.15 | nvz | abrotman: I was crying as the winds whipped the tears out of my head going like 60mph down camp meeting rd yesturday.. I thought the wheels were gonna fly off :P |
| 18:11.32 | FlopsyPete | cheal: cool |
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| 18:12.14 | abrotman | nvz: so are you gonna go riding ? |
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| 18:13.00 | nvz | abrotman: eventually.. if I go now I got High School Traffic on the way, and Middle School and elementry School traffic on the way back |
| 18:13.18 | FlopsyPete | if I have that printer on a print server, with the hplip package on the print server, do I need to install hplip on each workstation? |
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| 18:14.54 | abrotman | nvz: or you can wait for business traffic .. yay |
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| 18:15.52 | nvz | abrotman: I am not going to hit that kind of traffic on this route http://tinyurl.com/abvjv |
| 18:16.20 | tactless | What is /etc/rcS.d/ for? How is it different than /etc/rc[0..6].d/ ? |
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| 18:16.58 | abrotman | nvz: my friend lived on orchard lane(drive,road?) |
| 18:17.06 | nvz | abrotman: I'm only on the main road for like 1/2 a mile if that right in the middle of sewickley |
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| 18:17.40 | nvz | abrotman: which one? there is one in Sewickley, Osborne, Ambridge..etc..etc there is an Orcard in like every town |
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| 18:17.58 | abrotman | nvz: sewickley |
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| 18:18.11 | nvz | abrotman: I have friends on the Orchard Ln. In edgeworth which is on that route |
| 18:18.29 | abrotman | nvz: i think it was 214 .. though i could be wrong .. duplex red brick .. |
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| 18:19.17 | abrotman | nvz: she doesn't live there anymore |
| 18:19.46 | mya | someone can help me, please? |
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| 18:19.55 | ricky_clarkson | I don't want to do it yet, but does Linux (2.6+) support hibernating now? And does that depend on ACPI or what? |
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| 18:20.06 | nkuttler | !tell mya about ask |
| 18:20.18 | nvz | abrotman: yeah. I'm not sure a girl I went to school with lives at 215 Orchard Ln in Edgeworth. I am not even sure where Orchard is in Sewickley.. the only ones I know where they are off the top of my head is Osborne and Edgeworth |
| 18:20.18 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: yes it does, but you need patches |
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| 18:20.31 | abrotman | nvz: it's right on your route |
| 18:20.35 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: And ACPI? |
| 18:20.39 | kementeus | I feel very confused right now |
| 18:20.43 | nvz | abrotman: thats Edgeworth |
| 18:20.43 | mya | I'd like to know how i remove a package totally from my debian? |
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| 18:20.46 | abrotman | nvz: type "215 orchard lane, sewickley, PA" into maps.google |
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| 18:20.52 | abrotman | mya: man apt-get .. look for purge |
| 18:20.56 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: I'm verifying this now :) |
| 18:20.56 | ricky_clarkson | I believe the laptop I'm getting is a bit shit with ACPI on Linux, so I'll be disabling thta. |
| 18:21.04 | kementeus | I'm looking a chenchmarking showing that reiser3 is slower than ext3 |
| 18:21.08 | kementeus | :S |
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| 18:21.17 | ricky_clarkson | chenchmarking is for chidiots. |
| 18:21.20 | bomb | chechmark? |
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| 18:21.27 | ricky_clarkson | czeck mark? |
| 18:21.32 | ricky_clarkson | czecH |
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| 18:21.36 | darkness1 | I've just config'd sarge so i can access my win box on the other hdd.Now looking in fstab i see (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev). Does that look okay? |
| 18:21.42 | bomb | cheechmark |
| 18:21.48 | mya | and where a can find the log file of dpkg? |
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| 18:22.05 | stew | mya: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:22.09 | eeyore- | DarKnesS_WolF: what would look okay to you? |
| 18:22.09 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: I'd say it works with both ACPI and APM |
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| 18:22.23 | mya | sarge stew |
| 18:22.24 | eeyore- | darkness1: ^^^ why does it not look okay? |
| 18:22.26 | nvz | abrotman: mile marker 6 is the end of sewickley |
| 18:22.26 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Is APM generally a reliable thing? |
| 18:22.28 | stew | mya: there is no log then |
| 18:22.30 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: I just had a look at the kernel documentation and it says (ACPI, APM) |
| 18:22.38 | abrotman | nvz: i'm just telling you what maps.google says :) |
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| 18:22.51 | nvz | abrotman: oh well, its wrong.. :) |
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| 18:23.04 | darkness1 | eeyore: It looks fine,just wondered what/why deb put that in fstab tbh? |
| 18:23.07 | abrotman | nvz: don't tell hte postman .. she had a sewickley address too |
| 18:23.10 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: I have no answer to this question :) |
| 18:23.18 | ricky_clarkson | !apm |
| 18:23.18 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: no |
| 18:23.18 | dpkg | it has been said that apm is Advanced Power Management. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Power_Management |
| 18:23.19 | mya | what a pity! |
| 18:23.30 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: To which? |
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| 18:24.30 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: it's older though |
| 18:24.30 | mya | thanks for the help anyway |
| 18:24.30 | abrotman | apm sucks :) |
| 18:24.30 | eto2 | Would anyone know why when I try and install libpango1.0-common, I get: error: /usr/bin/pango-querymodules: undefined symbol: g_printf |
| 18:24.31 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: I mean APM is older than ACPI |
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| 18:24.31 | eeyore- | DarKnesS_WolF: why don't you "man mount" and read the description of each option. then you'll understand :-) |
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| 18:24.32 | eeyore- | darkness1: ^^^ |
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| 18:24.32 | ricky_clarkson | Well, I suppose it'll be ok then. Thanks jethro. |
| 18:24.39 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Do the said patches come as Debian packages? |
| 18:24.42 | ricky_clarkson | !hibernate |
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| 18:24.47 | darkness1 | Tks eeyore :-) |
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| 18:25.19 | stew | ricky_clarkson: there is a swsusp2 source for m-a iirc |
| 18:25.50 | ricky_clarkson | A what? |
| 18:25.55 | eeyore- | darkness1: "noexec" (why would you want to execute bare windows binaries? nosuid, what windows apps have setuid? nodev, why interpret anything as device-specials if it's a windows filesystem? doesn't all that make sense? |
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| 18:26.21 | stew | ricky_clarkson: software suspend. you can install it with m-a |
| 18:26.21 | nvz | abrotman: see where beaver Rd curves and then becomes beaver st again.. comming up that little hill to academy ave then like right on the other side of the Beaver St/Academy ave. intersection is the welcome to sewickley sign.. technically its sewickley a little before Academy.. but not back on orchard ln. |
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| 18:26.31 | stew | ricky_clarkson: google for swsusp2 |
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| 18:26.36 | abrotman | nvz: don't tell me .. tell USPS |
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| 18:26.41 | darkness1 | eeyore yea:-) |
| 18:26.44 | ricky_clarkson | stew: You mean it can be put in as a module, rather than a kernel recompile? |
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| 18:26.49 | abrotman | nvz: her address was sewickley |
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| 18:27.19 | stew | ricky_clarkson: hrm, i might be totally wrong |
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| 18:27.46 | stew | ricky_clarkson: yeah i am, ignore me |
| 18:27.52 | nvz | abrotman: USPS doenst understand our yanky ways.. I knew a few girls that lived in the "Community of Fair Oaks" when I was in school and right in the middle of this community is the Leet Township Police dept, and their zipcode is 15003, see what comes up when you type that one in.. heh there is no such thing as fair oaks outside fair oaks.. |
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| 18:28.31 | ricky_clarkson | stew: "Modular Software Suspend is no longer supported, so these FAQs are here only for informational purposes for people using older versions." |
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| 18:28.55 | nvz | abrotman: there is a fair oaks fire dept, but they have no police or post office or anything |
| 18:29.06 | Seb | hi fellows |
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| 18:29.30 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 18:29.34 | ricochet | Question: I'm trying to upgrade in sid, its trying to install linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp and its erroring out on 'no space left on device' yet there is space on the device. I'll post to flood if you wanna look |
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| 18:30.11 | Mxyzpltk | ricochet: check space in /boot |
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| 18:30.20 | wqercs | Do you know a good free plain hosting? |
| 18:30.22 | eeyore- | ricochet: no, look harder |
| 18:30.34 | Gathond | ricochet: some involved device must be full |
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| 18:31.04 | abrotman | eeyore-: rafiki ? |
| 18:31.10 | eeyore- | abrotman: what's that? |
| 18:31.13 | ricochet | eeyore-, Gathod, I df'ed in flood |
| 18:31.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: don't you have kids? |
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| 18:32.32 | abrotman | eeyore-: you don't let them watch the lion king ? |
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| 18:34.19 | eeyore- | abrotman: he's watched lion kings before, but has since graduated to resident evil 2 |
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| 18:34.27 | abrotman | eeyore-: rafiki! |
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| 18:34.54 | Deek | Rafiki Rafiki Rafiki! |
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| 18:35.04 | eeyore- | abrotman: oh that annoying monkey |
| 18:35.09 | eeyore- | baboon |
| 18:35.12 | abrotman | eeyore-: you know .. when they're returning to the pridelands .. and they are looking in the pond |
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| 18:35.29 | eeyore- | mandrill |
| 18:35.39 | valdyn | ricochet: the complete module tree takes ~40MB, you have ~15 free atm |
| 18:35.40 | Deek | He says he's a baboon. |
| 18:35.45 | valdyn | ricochet: in /lib/modules |
| 18:35.52 | abrotman | not in that part! |
| 18:35.56 | eeyore- | but he's got the colors of a mandrill |
| 18:36.06 | ricochet | valdyn, yeah, I was thinking those were gigs. |
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| 18:36.14 | eeyore- | the blue sides, the red snout ... |
| 18:36.16 | Deek | Well, technically he says "it means you are a baboon, and I am not." |
| 18:36.32 | abrotman | asamp asana squash banana |
| 18:36.35 | ricochet | valdyn, thanks |
| 18:36.37 | abrotman | that's what it sounds lie |
| 18:36.37 | abrotman | like |
| 18:36.41 | valdyn | ricochet: df -m for MB |
| 18:36.48 | shadowcat | is anyone using xorg with kdm? |
| 18:36.53 | eeyore- | abrotman: i don't get it :) |
| 18:37.02 | Deek | assan tesana squash banana |
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| 18:37.20 | shadowcat | I'm having an issue with the xkb keymap |
| 18:37.26 | andreas__ | so I'm trying to install some applications on sid (namely ksynaptics as an example) but it complains that there is no kdelibs4 and no libqt3c102-mt |
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| 18:37.32 | quiet | Deek, he's alive1 |
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| 18:37.53 | shadowcat | andreas__: surprised? |
| 18:37.56 | abrotman | eeyore-: duh! |
| 18:38.06 | andreas__ | shadowcat, not really :) |
| 18:38.06 | Deek | abrotman: Eidetic memory...it's a curse! :) |
| 18:38.19 | andreas__ | I'm wondering if it's possible to force new dependencies |
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| 18:38.32 | shadowcat | andreas__: and you're running unstable? |
| 18:38.33 | andreas__ | namely to kdelibs4c2 and libqt3-mt |
| 18:38.34 | shadowcat | man dpkg |
| 18:38.38 | shadowcat | :) |
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| 18:38.53 | Banana | hi. |
| 18:38.56 | shadowcat | you can tell it to ignore dependencies |
| 18:39.00 | shadowcat | if you know what you're doing |
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| 18:39.09 | shadowcat | but that would take you out of the realm of aptitude and into dpkg |
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| 18:39.23 | andreas__ | that's ok |
| 18:39.24 | Banana | has anyone experienced trouble running mozilla on nfs home directory ? |
| 18:39.31 | shadowcat | there's a reason I pin my stuff to testing :P |
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| 18:39.35 | valdyn | andreas__: depends mean that something does NOT work without what it depends on |
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| 18:39.45 | eeyore- | Banana: no |
| 18:39.48 | shadowcat | valdyn: well not necessarily |
| 18:39.51 | shadowcat | at least not in sid |
| 18:39.58 | Banana | there is a problem with locking. |
| 18:40.00 | Deek | Banana: Nope, been running nfs home for years. |
| 18:40.01 | shadowcat | because sid is known for broken dependencies |
| 18:40.05 | shadowcat | hence you *can* force it |
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| 18:40.18 | shadowcat | if you're sure it won't segfault with the libs you currently have |
| 18:40.26 | Banana | Deek: yes me too... until i had to be the one to setup the nfs client/server :( |
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| 18:40.40 | Banana | it just should work. |
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| 18:40.55 | Banana | i also have nfs for /var/ |
| 18:40.57 | andreas__ | shadowcat, I'll give it a try and see what happens |
| 18:41.03 | andreas__ | it's no big deal if it breaks |
| 18:41.08 | Deek | Banana: Now that's just kooky. |
| 18:41.08 | andreas__ | I can just remove it again |
| 18:41.12 | shadowcat | andreas__: don't bitch if it does |
| 18:41.13 | shadowcat | :P |
| 18:41.21 | Lumination | does anyone know what package contains sdl-config ? I have tried both libsdl1.2debian and libsdl1.2-dev |
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| 18:41.43 | Banana | there is a problem with lockd on the server it seems... |
| 18:41.47 | Gathond | Lumination: packages.debian.org probably knows |
| 18:41.49 | abrotman | Lumination: apt-file |
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| 18:41.59 | eeyore- | Banana: deadrat server? |
| 18:42.26 | asuffield | could the problem be that lockd is not running? |
| 18:42.27 | Banana | it's enabled on server side but clients fails with failed to acquire lock on 192.168.x.x. |
| 18:42.36 | Mortalman | Seeing as how there are so many people here... would this channel prefer that user don't idle ? |
| 18:42.39 | eeyore- | asuffield: or just plain old. that happens sometimes |
| 18:42.54 | eeyore- | Banana: is it userspace nfs or kernel nfs? |
| 18:42.59 | Banana | asuffield: i have a recent kernel, it should spawn lockd whenever necessary. |
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| 18:43.02 | eeyore- | Banana: (kernel nfs works better) |
| 18:43.02 | Gathond | Mortalman: I think most already does :) |
| 18:43.06 | Banana | nfs kernel. |
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| 18:43.16 | eeyore- | Banana: rpcinfo -p <servername> |
| 18:43.17 | asuffield | Banana: no. it has to be explicitly kicked off. you also require the userspace rpc.statd to be running |
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| 18:43.22 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 18:43.25 | Banana | everything else works fine. |
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| 18:43.29 | Gathond | Mortalman: at least I've never seen close to 700 active people here.) |
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| 18:44.10 | solemnwarning | ive just installed debian etch on laptop and on boot i keep getting this: "ACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Level Trigger." then it stops booting |
| 18:44.13 | solemnwarning | how can i fix? |
| 18:44.15 | Banana | eeyore-: what do you expect on rpcinfo -p (it's pretty big). |
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| 18:44.18 | Deek | Mortalman: This place doesn't seem any busier than when there were only 110-ish people here. |
| 18:44.19 | abrotman | Gathond: we've had over 800 before |
| 18:44.28 | Gathond | abrotman: I know:) |
| 18:44.31 | Banana | i have nlockmgr, status, mountd, ... |
| 18:44.31 | eeyore- | Banana: nlockmgr? |
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| 18:44.38 | Deek | abrotman: But not active. |
| 18:44.44 | solemnwarning | anyone?!? |
| 18:44.50 | eeyore- | Banana: are you using nfsv3 or? |
| 18:44.50 | Banana | eeyore-: it's here. |
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| 18:44.54 | abrotman | Deek: you think? |
| 18:44.57 | Banana | v3 i think. |
| 18:45.02 | eeyore- | Banana: find out |
| 18:45.09 | Deek | abrotman: he said active. |
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| 18:45.12 | Banana | although i have checked v4 to in the kernel conf file... |
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| 18:45.23 | abrotman | eat more apples! |
| 18:45.37 | DoppelGanger | now |
| 18:45.45 | solemnwarning | ive just installed debian etch on laptop and on boot i keep getting this: "ACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Level Trigger." then it stops booting |
| 18:45.46 | eeyore- | Banana: the "vers" field tells you which variants are available. is there "3 nlockmgr"? |
| 18:45.46 | solemnwarning | how can i fix? |
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| 18:46.15 | CrocoJet | anyone knows if exist frontend to pure-ftpd ? |
| 18:46.17 | Deek | Disable that? |
| 18:46.22 | shadowcat | how can you install debian etch? |
| 18:46.25 | Banana | eeyore-: i have got 1 3 and 4 in that field. |
| 18:46.25 | DoppelGanger | ha frontends |
| 18:46.30 | Banana | for both tcp and udp. |
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| 18:46.43 | shadowcat | if you used a daily install image |
| 18:46.46 | ma3x | why sometimes when you run some process, you can't ctrl+c it, only chance is to ctrl+z and then see the pid and kill it |
| 18:46.47 | ma3x | why this happens |
| 18:46.49 | shadowcat | you almost deserve the kernel panic |
| 18:46.50 | ma3x | and how can i stop it? |
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| 18:47.25 | ma3x | does anybody know how to end processes |
| 18:47.26 | eeyore- | Banana: in the mount options (on the client), stick in "nfsvers=3" just to be sure you mount it nfsv3 :) |
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| 18:47.32 | ma3x | some other way than ctrl+c |
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| 18:47.45 | eeyore- | Banana: and "mount -o remount /home" to try again |
| 18:47.51 | Banana | eeyore-: ok, i'll try that. |
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| 18:48.02 | Banana | it will take some time... |
| 18:48.14 | Banana | they are diskless clients that i boot via wake on lan... |
| 18:48.19 | eeyore- | Banana: oh and while you're at it, make the mount options "tcp,nfsvers=3,rsize=...,wsize=..." and tweak the read/write size while you're at it |
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| 18:48.45 | Banana | ok, will do that, thank you very much. |
| 18:48.59 | andreas__ | brbz |
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| 18:49.11 | Banana | eeyore-: what is the advantage of using nfs over tcp ? |
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| 18:49.36 | solemnwarning | ive just installed debian etch on laptop and on boot i keep getting this: "ACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Level Trigger." then it stops booting |
| 18:49.37 | solemnwarning | how can i fix? |
| 18:49.54 | hcy | how can i restart my windows manager or X, but without killing/closing all the apps and processes running in it? |
| 18:49.57 | asg | solemnwarning: try booting with noacpi or acpi=off |
| 18:49.59 | Deek | solemnwarning: You could listen to people's answers. |
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| 18:50.01 | Banana | solemnwarning: try to boot with noacpi kernel parametter ? |
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| 18:50.11 | solemnwarning | Banana: tried |
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| 18:50.25 | solemnwarning | ill try acpi=off |
| 18:50.39 | eeyore- | Banana: on busy networks, performance is better with tcp, and more reliable |
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| 18:50.47 | Banana | ok. |
| 18:50.51 | Gathond | hcy: dont think you can restart X, wether your window manager supports restarting itself withough closing is another question, some does (enlightenment I know of) some probably does not |
| 18:50.53 | eeyore- | Banana: with udp, you end up retransmitting many times, and incur wait penalties |
| 18:51.04 | bomb | hcy: uh.....you can't? unless you are starting processes with ~/.xsession or something and they are running in the background |
| 18:51.06 | eeyore- | Banana: many vendors (netapp for example) recommend using tcp over udp |
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| 18:51.16 | solemnwarning | w00t |
| 18:51.21 | solemnwarning | acpi=off worked :D |
| 18:51.22 | Banana | i'll try that. |
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| 18:51.48 | hcy | Gathond, bomb: after trying out sawfish for a month or so i've decided to go back to metacity. I apt-get removed sawfish and apt-get installed metacity... but it looks like sawfish is still running. |
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| 18:51.56 | hcy | Gathond: what's enlightenment |
| 18:51.59 | meriad | how do I disable PC Speaker |
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| 18:52.04 | Caelum | acpi=off does a lot of things, you might want to try more fine-grained control over the acpi option |
| 18:52.04 | Banana | i have like 100 diskless machines... whatever can boost network performance is good to take. |
| 18:52.08 | eeyore- | meriad: yank it out |
| 18:52.11 | DoppelGanger | hcy: the path to enlightenment |
| 18:52.12 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 18:52.16 | Gathond | hcy: its a window manager |
| 18:52.21 | meriad | eeyore: heh any software way? |
| 18:52.25 | eeyore- | Banana: yeah, rsize and wsize will go a long way |
| 18:52.29 | hcy | Gathond: is it good? what's it like? |
| 18:52.30 | DoppelGanger | Gathond: i like my answer better :) |
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| 18:52.33 | eeyore- | meriad: new kernel, don't enable support for the speaker |
| 18:52.46 | Banana | eeyore-: thank you very much. |
| 18:52.46 | Gathond | hcy: I like it :), but you might not:) |
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| 18:52.50 | hcy | dpkg: enlightenment |
| 18:52.50 | dpkg | ask me about E |
| 18:52.56 | hcy | dpkg: E |
| 18:52.56 | dpkg | e is, like, from memory, e is a silly bulky, overdone wm, or still the best looking window manager around. and smaller than windowmaker in memory, or of course, smaller than windowmaker isn't saying much. see sawfish. see MDMA, or 2.7182818284590452353602874713526625, or kicks ass, or a very versatile window manager, or *utter* shite |
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| 18:53.26 | hcy | Gathond: url where i can read about it and see screenshots? |
| 18:53.28 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 18:53.32 | hcy | dpkg: that is pathetic |
| 18:53.32 | dpkg | hcy: what are you talking about? |
| 18:53.33 | Gathond | enlightenment.org |
| 18:53.40 | hcy | Gathond: thanks |
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| 18:53.56 | Caelum | meriad: in your ~/.inputrc and eg. setopt nobeep in zsh |
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| 18:57.03 | TuxMeister | he guys |
| 18:57.09 | hcy | Gathond: which DR do you use? |
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| 18:57.31 | Gathond | I use the stable version if that is what you ask 16.6 I think its up to |
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| 18:57.57 | crazytaxzi | lol i am back any one know the command line to delete a directory? |
| 18:57.59 | hcy | Gathond: can it do things that metacity can't? |
| 18:58.12 | hcy | crazytaxzi: just use a big magnet |
| 18:58.13 | Gathond | hcy: no idea |
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| 18:58.42 | Gathond | hcy: I know for a fact it can restart itself withouth that having any ill effects in programs currently running |
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| 18:58.44 | cheal | crazytaxzi: man rmdir |
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| 18:59.01 | hcy | "how do i turn my computer on? Do I push this big red button?" |
| 18:59.01 | TuxMeister | i've downloaded today's net-install .iso, but when i try to install the base system, it attempts to get the packages from the internet, and fails... how can i tell him to install base system from cd, like was done i earlier versions? |
| 18:59.05 | crazytaxzi | its says the directory isn't empty |
| 18:59.07 | Gathond | hcy: but I have no idea wether metacity can do that either and what it can do |
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| 18:59.23 | hcy | what other window managers do people here recommend? |
| 18:59.45 | hcy | sawfish looked nice but there were some things i found annoying and in the end i decided to abandon it |
| 18:59.45 | dvs | hcy: What are you looking for? Low memory usage? |
| 18:59.46 | tgwj | TuxMeister, maybe you have buisinesscard image ? |
| 18:59.48 | Gumby | is there an apt command that tells me which mirror a package would be downloaded from? |
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| 18:59.57 | hcy | dvs: no, not really |
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| 19:00.26 | crazytaxzi | its says the directory isn't empty when i use rmdir |
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| 19:00.28 | hcy | the matched windows thing in sawfish was kind of cool but didn't have enough options |
| 19:00.34 | mz_work | Gumby: apt-cache policy |
| 19:00.39 | crazytaxzi | is there a command like dos' Deltree? |
| 19:00.40 | hcy | crazytaxzi: empty the directory first, then |
| 19:00.40 | TuxMeister | tgwj, nope, i've downloaded the mini-cd 120somethin'n Mb one |
| 19:00.43 | bomb | crazytaxzi: man rm |
| 19:00.50 | crazytaxzi | ok |
| 19:01.04 | Gumby | mz_work: thank you |
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| 19:01.10 | hcy | crazytaxzi: rm -r will do it but be very careful with it, it's a dangerous command |
| 19:01.11 | alys | hcy: I would go for Windowmaker or AfterStep if you are not worried about memory, blackbox for a minimalist one |
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| 19:01.17 | viper | is it possible to give a user root privelages ? |
| 19:01.20 | vladuz976 | anybody here know much about cvs and can help me out? |
| 19:01.24 | Deek | yay, xine blows up |
| 19:01.26 | grendelll | Viper, add them to wheel? |
| 19:01.31 | TuxMeister | tgwj, any idea? |
| 19:01.35 | viper | grendelll whats wheel ? |
| 19:01.44 | grendelll | Wheel is the root user group. |
| 19:01.52 | tgwj | TuxMeister, nope. is it a stable or testing cd ? |
| 19:01.57 | bomb | viper: man sudo |
| 19:01.57 | viper | grendell .. ok so if I add a user to wheel .. they are root ? |
| 19:02.10 | TuxMeister | tgwj, well... let me check |
| 19:02.11 | cheal | !tell vladuz976 about anybody |
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| 19:02.18 | Deek | crazytaxzi: -r option to rm |
| 19:02.26 | TuxMeister | tgwj, testing |
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| 19:02.56 | tgwj | TuxMeister, try using stable and, if you want etch or sid, upgrade |
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| 19:03.08 | OCA| | I'm trying to set up danted, and I'm at a point in a tutorial where it lists an IP address like "127.0.0.0/8". What's the "/8"? |
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| 19:03.23 | vladuz976 | cheal, warning: failed to open /root/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory. i am gettiing this, can you help? |
| 19:03.24 | TuxMeister | tgwj, ok, i'll try that way |
| 19:03.34 | Deek | OCA|: 8 significant bits |
| 19:03.54 | Deek | OCA|: means 127.*.*.* |
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| 19:04.22 | OCA| | Deek: Aaah, so if I set it to /32, it'll mean the address has to match the entire first part?" |
| 19:04.33 | Deek | OCA|: no, the whole address. |
| 19:04.38 | cheal | vladuz976: when doing what? don'T ask me, I only told you nobody could answer your question |
| 19:04.41 | OCA| | ... that's what I meant. Thanks =) |
| 19:04.44 | Deek | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.04 | vladuz976 | cheal, ok i am not asking you anymore then |
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| 19:05.35 | abrotman | vladuz976: why are you checking stuff out as root ? |
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| 19:05.57 | crazytaxzi | how do you make a user able to delete or move parent directories in the filemanagers? |
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| 19:06.08 | vladuz976 | abrotman, coz i am installing into /usr |
| 19:06.21 | Deek | yup, #328114 |
| 19:06.22 | vladuz976 | abrotman, should i do as user or with sudo? |
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| 19:07.22 | bomb | crazytaxzi: what are you removing, and why |
| 19:07.23 | whatever | zugschlus: oh wow, ok. interesting. is it something that can simply be remedied with the "tls_on_connect_ports" argument? or is it more complex. |
| 19:07.27 | bomb | are you getting permissions errors? |
| 19:07.30 | cheal | crazytaxzi: can'tthey already do that? |
| 19:07.32 | abrotman | vladuz976: you should always check stuff out as a user |
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| 19:07.38 | abrotman | vladuz976: what are you compiling ? |
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| 19:08.03 | crazytaxzi | i installed Starcraft on debian now when i try to remove it, it won't let me... says i don't have the permisions |
| 19:08.05 | vladuz976 | abrotman, i am using this script to build e17 from cvs, the script requires either sudo or root |
| 19:08.17 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 19:08.17 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 19:08.29 | abrotman | see what happens when you ask |
| 19:09.08 | valdyn | that script must be a pos |
| 19:09.27 | bomb | crazytaxzi: and you can't figure out what you have to do in order to remove it? |
| 19:09.38 | crazytaxzi | correct |
| 19:09.53 | bomb | crazytaxzi: why are you running linux? |
| 19:10.14 | whatever | bomb: as opposed to the alternative? lol |
| 19:10.26 | valdyn | those debs are ugly too, as they version e17 lower than the e16 that is in debian. |
| 19:10.33 | crazytaxzi | just how do you change permissions on things... that is all i want to know |
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| 19:11.03 | whatever | crazytaxzi: chmod 000 through 777 do a search for chmod to find the correct usage |
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| 19:11.20 | crazytaxzi | thank you |
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| 19:11.23 | whatever | np |
| 19:11.26 | andreas__ | hello again |
| 19:11.30 | Zugschlus | whatever: you need to enable TLS, see README.Debian.gz |
| 19:11.41 | andreas__ | I am happy to inform you all that ignoring the deps issues with ksynpatics worked just fine |
| 19:11.47 | whatever | zugschlus: do you ever sleep? lol |
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| 19:11.56 | andreas__ | the touchpad showed up as expected in kcontrol, and configuring it worked just fine |
| 19:12.18 | Zugschlus | whatever: I tend to sleep at night, living at utc+2 |
| 19:12.22 | abrotman | crazytaxzi: there are many more modes |
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| 19:12.36 | bomb | i told him to man chmod like an hour ago. |
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| 19:12.52 | crazytaxzi | i was kinda hopin there was a GUI based Permissions editor |
| 19:12.58 | crazytaxzi | you know the special things lol |
| 19:12.59 | whatever | zugschlus: ah |
| 19:13.11 | valdyn | crazytaxzi: there is.. |
| 19:13.27 | valdyn | crazytaxzi: what the hell for i wonder though... but about any filemanager can change permissions i guess |
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| 19:13.57 | andreas__ | that is, it will work until it breaks again ;) |
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| 19:14.25 | me_here | was gibt es denn als ersatz für gdm ? |
| 19:14.29 | Phr0zenKore_ | !gentoosmack gentoo-dev-sources |
| 19:14.42 | me_here | ups sorry |
| 19:15.02 | valdyn | me_here: kdm/gdm/wdm/xdm ( and probably some that i dont know ) |
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| 19:15.05 | abrotman | !de |
| 19:15.05 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 19:16.23 | Zugschlus | that dpkg boilerplate is offensive |
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| 19:16.29 | me_here | valdyn: thx |
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| 19:17.14 | MrBallZ | hi guyz |
| 19:17.44 | bomb | hola senor ballz |
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| 19:18.18 | MrBallZ | question: More than a month ago I had to get an image from a hdd, and I used this very good software wich I don't remember the name, but I remember I compiled it and installed it , how can I know wich was it ??? , |
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| 19:18.27 | MrBallZ | hola bomb =) |
| 19:18.47 | valdyn | MrBallZ: you made an image of the harddisk? |
| 19:18.49 | bomb | MrBallZ: you want to make an image of a hard disk? |
| 19:19.05 | MrBallZ | I made the image, now i need to restore it ... |
| 19:19.09 | dvs | MrBallZ: you want a hard disk? |
| 19:19.12 | MrBallZ | but I want to use the same software |
| 19:19.12 | dvs | ;-) |
| 19:19.17 | bomb | dvs: i do |
| 19:19.18 | MrBallZ | dvs: hahaha |
| 19:19.25 | bomb | mine has been doing the 'click of death' |
| 19:19.27 | valdyn | MrBallZ: possibly partimage, but that has been in debian for a long time.. |
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| 19:19.48 | dvs | bomb: Oh. I feel for you. I had that a couple of months ago with my 120GB Maxtor |
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| 19:20.10 | bomb | dvs: i'm probably running the exact model |
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| 19:20.20 | bomb | i have everything backed up on dvd though |
| 19:20.24 | MrBallZ | valdyn: yes !! it is partimage :P |
| 19:20.31 | bomb | and stable takes about 45 minutes to install |
| 19:20.32 | MrBallZ | couldn't remember the name |
| 19:20.32 | MrBallZ | :D |
| 19:20.38 | bomb | so i really don't care |
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| 19:20.55 | MrBallZ | valdyn: thanks a lot ( for the 100000th time =) ) |
| 19:21.21 | MrBallZ | mushu: coucou ^_^ |
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| 19:22.39 | abrotman | darn idler! |
| 19:22.52 | MrBallZ | mmm, now something I taught partimage was, to clone a partition .... wich program do you recomend, I need to clone a " Diagnostic " partition from a almost dying hdd ... |
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| 19:23.27 | msouza | boa tarde |
| 19:23.36 | valdyn | MrBallZ: dont use a special tool for that . just 'dd if=/dev/hdd of=file.image' |
| 19:23.40 | thecoolestcow | hey, what do i need to do in alsaconf to set up my sound card? |
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| 19:23.53 | bomb | thecoolestcow: type alsaconf. |
| 19:23.56 | MrBallZ | valdyn: dd ... ok , ill try |
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| 19:24.01 | thecoolestcow | bomb: i did, it still didnt work |
| 19:24.06 | dvs | thecoolestcow: nothing really |
| 19:24.15 | dvs | thecoolestcow: which kernel? |
| 19:24.18 | valdyn | MrBallZ: image tools add ignoreing unused blocks to that, you just dont want that for "Diagnostic" |
| 19:24.22 | thecoolestcow | i think 3.1... |
| 19:24.32 | dvs | thecoolestcow: uname -r |
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| 19:24.54 | thecoolestcow | dvs: oh. 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:25.12 | dvs | thecoolestcow: apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:25.38 | thecoolestcow | dvs: ah, i get it now. thanks |
| 19:25.47 | dvs | thecoolestcow: Don't thank me yet. |
| 19:25.56 | thecoolestcow | bomb: i thought i was running 2.6, its funny.. |
| 19:26.06 | dvs | thecoolestcow: you can if you want |
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| 19:26.14 | bomb | thecoolestcow: how can you not know what kernel you are booting? |
| 19:26.33 | mwelsh | bomb: who manufactured your ram? |
| 19:26.38 | thecoolestcow | bomb: because i'm a noob. plus in GRUB i couldve sworn it said 2.6 |
| 19:26.43 | FlopsyPete | I can't understand why there's both a foomatic-db-dimpprint and a cupsys-driver-gimpprint |
| 19:26.46 | JonnyRo | mwilson, turns out the problem was explicit conjestion notification |
| 19:26.48 | MrBallZ | valdyn: so it would be: dd if=/dev/hdd of=/dev/hdc ignoreing unused blocks ? |
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| 19:27.04 | valdyn | MrBallZ: err? |
| 19:27.21 | MrBallZ | you said, " add ignoreing unused blocks " |
| 19:27.25 | bomb | thecoolestcow: install a 2.6 kernel then, if you wish |
| 19:27.37 | MrBallZ | valdyn: or is image tools the cloning program you were sugesting ? |
| 19:27.45 | mwilson | JonnyRo: I figured as much. |
| 19:27.55 | valdyn | MrBallZ: partimage can skip unused blocks to save space, you dont want any of that for a diagnostic image, so you can just use 'dd if=/dev/hdd of=somefile.img' |
| 19:28.12 | thecoolestcow | bomb: what's the difference |
| 19:28.20 | mwilson | FlopsyPete: Why shouldn't there be? |
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| 19:28.30 | valdyn | MrBallZ: your hdc is identical to your hdd? ( same size ? ) |
| 19:28.37 | MrBallZ | the partition, yes , identical |
| 19:28.55 | valdyn | MrBallZ: you should do that with partitions probably, not with the whole device.. |
| 19:29.02 | MrBallZ | valdyn: so Ill use dd to " clone " the partitions right ? |
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| 19:29.13 | FlopsyPete | mwilson: cos its really confusing trying to get an understanding of which printer packages to use in different situations |
| 19:29.18 | bomb | thecoolestcow: you won't need alsa-modules for the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:29.26 | MrBallZ | valdyn: yes, with partitionsn, so what was " image tools " ??? |
| 19:29.31 | valdyn | MrBallZ: yea, the image tools add features ( like they can skip unused blocks ), that is all i meant. |
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| 19:29.45 | FlopsyPete | mwilson: I can't figure out when you'd ever need to use foomatic |
| 19:29.52 | thecoolestcow | bomb: oh. how do i upgrade, then? |
| 19:29.58 | MrBallZ | valdyn: ok, ill try dd , thanks :D |
| 19:30.06 | ulughbegh | how do i install qt4 on debian |
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| 19:30.15 | bomb | thecoolestcow: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 19:30.20 | valdyn | MrBallZ: no offense, but your lack of knowledge scares me, so take care not to fuck your system ( try to know what you do / type ) |
| 19:30.22 | dvs | thecoolestcow: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 19:30.36 | hcy | so if i want to try a different window manager - say i did apt-get install afterstep, for example... how do i get that to start instead of metacity? |
| 19:30.37 | thecoolestcow | bomb: ok i did that... what happened now |
| 19:30.38 | thecoolestcow | oh |
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| 19:30.51 | ulughbegh | any idea |
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| 19:31.02 | hcy | if i try "apt-get remove metacity" it tells me that it's going to install sawfish |
| 19:31.22 | valdyn | hcy: so? |
| 19:31.32 | bomb | hcy: why are you removing, installing, removing, installing |
| 19:31.35 | hcy | valdyn: so i don't want sawfish, i want to try something else |
| 19:31.38 | MrBallZ | valdyn: hahaha, no problem, and its not " lack of knowledge " but , practice for future references |
| 19:31.38 | bomb | you can have multiple window managers installed. |
| 19:31.51 | stew | hcy: apt-get install somethingelse metacity- |
| 19:31.58 | hcy | bomb: really, that's not what i was told before. okay then, how do you select which one? |
| 19:32.18 | valdyn | hcy: install something else then, removing a currently required package can lead to install sawfish ) |
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| 19:32.30 | crazytaxzi | is there a way to install an IPX Protocol that is compatible with Windows for Lan gaming? |
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| 19:32.45 | thecoolestcow | bomb: uhh, i installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386, now what... |
| 19:32.49 | valdyn | crazytaxzi: its installed already |
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| 19:32.55 | dvs | thecoolestcow: alsaconf |
| 19:32.58 | hcy | bomb: can i get it to start a different wm without removing the others? |
| 19:33.00 | bomb | hcy: depending on what you are running, the other window managers should be in a menu |
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| 19:33.03 | vagabund | you can install all window managers and try them out - if u want - |
| 19:33.06 | dvs | thecoolestcow: Oh. reboot first |
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| 19:33.11 | bomb | hcy: of course |
| 19:33.20 | hcy | bomb: currently, metacity on gnome |
| 19:33.23 | crazytaxzi | i am trying to play Starcraft in Multiplayer over IPX and says it can't initiate Network |
| 19:33.27 | dvs | thecoolestcow: And dont delete the old kernel yet!!!!! |
| 19:33.30 | thecoolestcow | dvs: oh, thanks. |
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| 19:33.38 | thecoolestcow | dvs: uhh how do i know..? |
| 19:33.53 | thecoolestcow | dvs: unless it asked me, i dont think i will delete it |
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| 19:34.11 | valdyn | !ipx |
| 19:34.11 | dpkg | i heard ipx is Internetwork Packet eXchange |
| 19:34.13 | hcy | bomb: i don't see such a menu |
| 19:34.18 | dvs | thecoolestcow: Reboot first to see if the new 2.6 kernel works. |
| 19:34.27 | thecoolestcow | dvs: ok. be right back |
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| 19:34.33 | bomb | hcy: i don't use metacity. all my window managers see each other. |
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| 19:34.53 | hcy | bomb: where? |
| 19:35.07 | valdyn | crazytaxzi: ah you need the ipx tools probably, apt-get install ipx - i cant help you with setting it up, read the docs. |
| 19:35.08 | bomb | hcy: where what? |
| 19:35.11 | ryan_ | do people still use IPX? |
| 19:35.26 | hcy | bomb: where do they see each other? where would the menu be? (and which do you use?) |
| 19:35.27 | ryan_ | wow |
| 19:35.34 | crazytaxzi | ok ty |
| 19:35.37 | valdyn | ryan_: old windows games do |
| 19:35.54 | bomb | hcy: i start fluxbox in my ~/.xsession file, the fluxbox menu has all my other window managers in a menu, and i can switch to any of them. |
| 19:35.57 | Deek | More likely you just can't do it. |
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| 19:36.08 | bomb | hcy: i have zero experience with metacity |
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| 19:36.59 | thecoolestcow | yoo |
| 19:37.05 | thecoolestcow | dvs: ok i restarted in 2.6 |
| 19:37.09 | dvs | thecoolestcow: uname -r |
| 19:37.15 | takatumi | hcy: use gdm, you'll get the menu. |
| 19:37.28 | hcy | takatumi: oh, ok |
| 19:37.29 | Testing-Pat | Hi! I am new to Debian, I use SuSE for quite some time now and I am used to KDE. Debian's standard seems to be Gnome and I can't seeem to find a way to get it to KDE. I am sure that it is quite easy when you know but I have tryd Google and the help files but nothing helps... apt-get install kde says I already have KDE so that should not be the biggest problem. Any ideas for me? |
| 19:37.34 | hcy | brb |
| 19:37.38 | bomb | thecoolestcow: now you can install alsa-base |
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| 19:37.52 | ricky_clarkson | Testing-Pat: apt-get install kde? |
| 19:37.56 | valdyn | Testing-Pat: how do you start X? |
| 19:37.59 | thecoolestcow | bomb: ? alsa-base? i already have alsaconf though.. |
| 19:38.04 | ricky_clarkson | Testing-Pat: Ah, right.. |
| 19:38.14 | bomb | thecoolestcow: i forgot you already installed it, try alsaconf |
| 19:38.15 | ricky_clarkson | Testing-Pat: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:38.18 | ricky_clarkson | Testing-Pat: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
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| 19:38.28 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: why? |
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| 19:38.37 | Testing-Pat | Great, let me try these tips! Thanks a lot! |
| 19:38.40 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: gdm has a menu to select sessions, like 'kde' |
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| 19:38.57 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn: I've never had KDE installed on Debian, so I didn't know that. |
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| 19:39.31 | ircdevil | Testing-Pat: consider evolving away from KDE |
| 19:39.32 | Testing-Pat | Gdm is something I can find in the normal menu I guess? |
| 19:39.33 | ricky_clarkson | Testing-Pat: Log out, and in the login prompt, choose KDE from the session menu. |
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| 19:39.51 | ricky_clarkson | Testing-Pat: Gdm is that thing that prompts you to enter a username and password - the login thing. |
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| 19:40.12 | ricky_clarkson | Like in Winfuck when you press Ctrl-alt-Delete before logging in. |
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| 19:40.31 | valdyn | Testing-Pat: you didnt tell us yet how you start X |
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| 19:40.44 | vagabund | or you just use startx from the command line - |
| 19:40.49 | valdyn | Testing-Pat: if its started automatically we want to know that too.. |
| 19:40.55 | thecoolestcow | dvs and bomb: w0000t alsaconf worked |
| 19:41.05 | Testing-Pat | X, starts itself... |
| 19:41.12 | thecoolestcow | i can now successfully listen to poison the well - botchla. |
| 19:41.16 | ircdevil | Testing-Pat: no it doesnt :o) |
| 19:41.21 | dvs | thecoolestcow: one last thing. Do "lsmod" and add all modules that start with "snd_" to your /etc/modules file |
| 19:41.21 | valdyn | Testing-Pat: ok, now 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager' |
| 19:41.31 | eguzkia | hello someone can explain to my why i cannot connect to python chat? |
| 19:41.33 | thecoolestcow | ok |
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| 19:41.50 | Testing-Pat | I'll be "testing" the tips now... |
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| 19:41.53 | dvs | thecoolestcow: Well, all the ones that don't depend on other "snd_" modules |
| 19:41.59 | thecoolestcow | dvs: just like, copy and paste? |
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| 19:42.18 | dvs | thecoolestcow: No, you only want the name of the module |
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| 19:42.49 | thecoolestcow | so like, in /etc/modules add a line that says "snd_via82xx"? |
| 19:42.51 | ricky_clarkson | SalsaDoom: I take offence at your nick. (I teach salsa dancing) |
| 19:42.52 | eguzkia | hello someone can explain to my why i cannot connect to python chat? |
| 19:42.54 | ricky_clarkson | ;) |
| 19:43.08 | bomb | eguzkia: /m nickserv help |
| 19:43.12 | dvs | thecoolestcow: Yes, and probably "snd_pcm_oss" "snd_mixer_oss" |
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| 19:43.17 | bomb | you need to identify |
| 19:43.27 | thingfish | it's neat when geeks have hobbies like dance. |
| 19:43.29 | SalsaDoom | ricky_clarkson, you teach salsa dancing? all types in this world, I tell ya |
| 19:43.36 | thingfish | or painting or whatever. |
| 19:43.38 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: A lot are musicians too. |
| 19:43.41 | darkmasterr | hi |
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| 19:43.59 | thingfish | yes, you know ricky_clarkson, that's true, isn't it, now that I think about it. |
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| 19:44.24 | thingfish | there were a few geeks in my last distro's channel that played in bands. |
| 19:44.26 | Ungy | ricky_clarkson, maybe he is refering to Salsa as in the number one condiment in the world salsa ;-) |
| 19:44.31 | ricky_clarkson | I've been programming for (24-6) 18 years, and dancing for 15. |
| 19:44.43 | ricky_clarkson | Those first 6 years were so wasted.. |
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| 19:44.52 | thecoolestcow | dvs: does that have anything to do with me having to re-mount hda1 and hdb1 evertime i restart? |
| 19:44.59 | ricky_clarkson | Thomas The Tank Engine, you've got a lot to answer for mate. |
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| 19:45.12 | thecoolestcow | dvs: the etc/modules file, that is. if not, do you know how i could fix that? |
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| 19:45.20 | dvs | thecoolestcow: No. You would have to run alsaconf everytime you reboot if you didn't do that. |
| 19:45.25 | thingfish | I think ballroom would be neat to learn...I watch those dance shows on TV and ballroom looks so fun. |
| 19:45.25 | SalsaDoom | Here is a question. I've updated my sources.list to have contrib and non-free, but they aren't showing up in aptitude. I've updated the lists, but still nothing. What am I missing ? |
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| 19:45.31 | thecoolestcow | dvs: true. |
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| 19:45.45 | yang | When I try to install new kernel-image I get the following error: |
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| 19:45.48 | yang | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 19:45.52 | yang | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 19:45.56 | dvs | thecoolestcow: remounting has to do with the /etc/fstab file |
| 19:45.57 | thingfish | but salsa is cool too, I love watching those people twist and dip. |
| 19:45.57 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: 10 years ballroom, 3 years salsa, and 2 kind of just doing bits and pieces. |
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| 19:46.06 | thingfish | neato, ricky_clarkson! |
| 19:46.10 | quipucamalloc | whats the pastebin for this room? |
| 19:46.12 | ricky_clarkson | I used to teach that too. |
| 19:46.16 | ricky_clarkson | quipucamalloc: /msg dpkg paster |
| 19:46.27 | valdyn | yang: you are running an ancient version of sarge or something, try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and after that _carefully_ apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:46.30 | takatumi | SalsaDoom: what isn't showing up in aptitude? |
| 19:46.40 | yang | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:46.42 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn: Do you have to type it slowly? |
| 19:46.48 | SalsaDoom | takatumi, the contrib and non-free repositories |
| 19:46.52 | Ungy | ricky_clarkson, do you where sequence outfits and refer to yourself in the third person and believe yourself to be the sexiest man God ever created? |
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| 19:46.54 | SalsaDoom | takatumi, just main shows up |
| 19:46.57 | brainworm | for the linux kernel when i do 'make htmldocs' i get this error *** You need to install DocBook stylesheets *** |
| 19:47.02 | ricky_clarkson | Ungy: ricky_clarkson does not do any of that. |
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| 19:47.02 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: just hope yang doesnt think that ... |
| 19:47.09 | thecoolestcow | anyone able to help me with this problem: i have to remount hda1 and hdb1 every time i restart, how do i fix it |
| 19:47.17 | ircdevil | brainworm: well, get on with it then :o) |
| 19:47.19 | Ungy | ricky_clarkson, ugg |
| 19:47.24 | valdyn | thecoolestcow: man fstab |
| 19:47.26 | vagabund | what a cute girly! |
| 19:47.30 | thingfish | dancers are studs, Ungy - those guys get all the women. |
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| 19:47.50 | ufoalien | hm. i want to make a debian package and everything works, but the source package hasn't got any... so i wrote one in <source>/debian/manpage.1.ex, renamed it to manpage.1 and tried, lintian says: W: netdiscover: binary-without-manpage, then I tried rename manpage.1 to netdiscover.1 but it didn't work either |
| 19:47.50 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, I've got a girlfriend, and there's at least 1 other after me. |
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| 19:47.55 | ufoalien | any one has got an idea? |
| 19:47.56 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:48.01 | takatumi | SalsaDoom: they won't show up as a menu item, but the packages from contrib and non-fre should be available after an update. |
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| 19:48.05 | ricky_clarkson | And the other is HOT. |
| 19:48.09 | takatumi | s/re/ree |
| 19:48.11 | ircdevil | heh ricky_clarkson is in fact patrick swasey |
| 19:48.13 | ufoalien | ricky_clarkson: lol |
| 19:48.14 | brainworm | ircdevil: nothing i install helps |
| 19:48.19 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: He's pathetic. |
| 19:48.35 | SalsaDoom | takatumi, they aren't. When I press u, it shows [hit] when it updates... but still no packages there |
| 19:48.40 | rixth | Hi, could someone please test SSH on my server to make sure I've forwarded the port correctly? The command to use will be : ssh thomasrix.org -p 443 I'm running it on port 443 to try and get past a nasty firewall at work. |
| 19:48.52 | SalsaDoom | Oh -- there they are |
| 19:48.56 | SalsaDoom | takatumi, nm :) |
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| 19:49.09 | ricky_clarkson | Is there not some risk to the client in ssh-ing to a server they don't trust? |
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| 19:49.19 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: ssh: connect to host thomasrix.org port 443: No route to host |
| 19:49.23 | valdyn | ops |
| 19:49.30 | rixth | ricky_clarkson, you don't need to even accept my key, just tell me if you can connect.. |
| 19:49.34 | valdyn | rixth: ssh: connect to host thomasrix.org port 443: No route to host |
| 19:49.49 | rixth | valdyn, thanks |
| 19:49.49 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn: That's very kind, but I'm not interested in buying any routes to hosts. |
| 19:49.54 | ircdevil | brainworm: apt-cache search docbook |grep stylesheets |
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| 19:50.29 | ircdevil | brainworm: what whould a good guess be from that list? |
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| 19:50.58 | rixth | valdyn, if you could be so kind, could you try it with my ip? 60.234.142.58 Connecting on 443 is working locally atleast. |
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| 19:51.26 | valdyn | rixth: i cant ping you already by thomasrix.org. but port 443 is not routed it seems |
| 19:51.32 | valdyn | s/cant/can/ |
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| 19:51.55 | rixth | Is SSH TCP or UDP? |
| 19:52.03 | valdyn | tcp |
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| 19:52.38 | valdyn | rixth: use a different port, this error has nothing to do with your side of it i think |
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| 19:53.37 | quipucamalloc | any help with this ? http://channels.debian.net/paste/710 |
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| 19:54.01 | rixth | valdyn, Hmm okay. THanks for your help! |
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| 19:54.21 | valdyn | !insmod |
| 19:54.21 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 19:54.25 | valdyn | quipucamalloc: ^^^ |
| 19:54.31 | brainworm | ircdevil: i have all of those installed |
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| 19:55.58 | ircdevil | brainworm: strange ... |
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| 19:56.18 | quipucamalloc | valdyn i typed !insmod got same error |
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| 19:56.33 | valdyn | quipucamalloc: did you read what dpkg said? |
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| 19:56.55 | kb9way | !df |
| 19:56.55 | dpkg | i guess df is used to report filesystem disk space usage. |
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| 19:57.13 | MasterChief | Can someone please tell me how to configure exim please, I need it for php |
| 19:57.27 | Zugschlus | MasterChief: you install it and answer the debconf questiosn |
| 19:57.30 | stew | MasterChief: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:57.36 | valdyn | quipucamalloc: whatever, you're trying to load a module for a non-existant hardware device. Whatever you have isnt supported by that module. |
| 19:57.44 | MasterChief | thanks |
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| 19:58.37 | quipucamalloc | tried modprobe same error |
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| 19:59.03 | vagabund | *root is a woman* |
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| 19:59.09 | brainworm | what user mode shuts off all the join unjoin messages? |
| 19:59.13 | timte | I have installed debian testing. I can't install kamera, it says it wants libexif10, but only libexif12 is available. |
| 19:59.27 | valdyn | brainworm: /ignore JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 19:59.33 | brainworm | tanks |
| 19:59.34 | timte | This prevents me from installing kde. What's up? |
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| 20:00.06 | vagabund | I think shes gone too far |
| 20:00.18 | valdyn | timte: nothing special, testing can be like that. |
| 20:00.25 | sophacles | hi all, im having a problem with firefox on my debian box. every time i try to d/l a .zip or .ttf file it locks up. any suggestions (package = 1.0.6-5, latest sid package) |
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| 20:01.11 | sophacles | any ideas on how to fix? |
| 20:01.16 | vagabund | !seen destiny |
| 20:01.17 | dpkg | destiny <n=lisa@229.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 26d 13h 52m 10s ago, saying: 'JimButton: you are as cute as a button, aren't you? :)'. |
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| 20:01.23 | valdyn | sophacles: tried rightclicking and selecting 'save to disk' ? |
| 20:01.39 | thecoolestcow | hey need some help: i installed CUPS and attempted to install my printer. i thought i did fine, but then it wouldnt print. i restarted and as soon as linux started up my printer began to print endless amounts of blank pages. anyone able to help? |
| 20:01.45 | timte | valdyn: can't you fix it? :) |
| 20:01.54 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, you are probably sending it raw postscript |
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| 20:02.11 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, are there little tiny symbols at the top of the blank pages? |
| 20:02.11 | thecoolestcow | johnnyro: i dont know what that means. what is it? |
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| 20:02.22 | abrotman | raw postscript is bad :) |
| 20:02.25 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: no, but there were some characters on like, one of them |
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| 20:02.39 | thecoolestcow | abrotman: oh. i still dono what that is. |
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| 20:02.44 | stew | quipucamalloc: you have a toshiba laptop that doesn't give access to the bios when you boot? |
| 20:02.46 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, go back into you cups configuration, and make sure the printer driver you selected matches your printer |
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| 20:02.58 | thecoolestcow | i uninstalled it though.. |
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| 20:03.04 | thecoolestcow | and it still prints endless pages |
| 20:03.11 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, once you have confirmed that you can print a cups test page from the web based control panel, you can try again |
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| 20:03.18 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, you are going to have to power cycle the printer |
| 20:03.26 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: i did.... |
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| 20:03.34 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, and it sits here just spewing pages still? |
| 20:03.39 | mz_work | timte: apt-get.org can help you find libexif10 |
| 20:03.55 | abrotman | his machine is still spooling |
| 20:03.58 | abrotman | if he stops cups it might stop |
| 20:04.03 | JonnyRo | abrotman, the cups binary must still be running |
| 20:04.06 | abrotman | or purges the job |
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| 20:04.07 | JonnyRo | even though he just uninstalled it |
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| 20:04.21 | JonnyRo | is it cupsd that he can kill |
| 20:04.22 | JonnyRo | ? |
| 20:04.28 | sophacles | valdyn yes. it has the same effect |
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| 20:04.32 | thecoolestcow | yeah |
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| 20:04.36 | thecoolestcow | its weird |
| 20:04.40 | SpamHog | How do I configure eth0 statically? I looked @ 3 manuals and all mention ifconfig, but it's not "sticky". Do I have to get into the rc files? |
| 20:04.48 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, what printer do you have? |
| 20:04.56 | stew | SpamHog: man 5 interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 20:04.57 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: HP laserjet 6l |
| 20:04.57 | kindaya | put it in /etc/inet/interfaces or something |
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| 20:05.20 | SpamHog | stew: tnx! |
| 20:05.26 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: 6L, that is. i couldnt find a proper driver, but i found a laserjet 4 one that was supposed to work, i think. |
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| 20:06.01 | JonnyRo | http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_6L |
| 20:06.03 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: works fine in windows xp |
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| 20:06.30 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, apparently it will work with the gimp print drivers. Those usually work well |
| 20:06.34 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: thats the exact site i got mine from... if you look, it says ljet4 |
| 20:06.44 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, do you have the gimp-print drivers installed |
| 20:06.46 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: what?? |
| 20:06.50 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: i dono |
| 20:07.27 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: nope. i'll install em now. |
| 20:07.32 | JonnyRo | apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprint |
| 20:07.41 | JonnyRo | you might find a better option for your printer |
| 20:07.43 | JonnyRo | after you install that |
| 20:07.47 | JonnyRo | be sure to reinstall cups |
| 20:07.50 | thecoolestcow | how |
| 20:07.52 | JonnyRo | and set up your printer anew |
| 20:07.58 | thecoolestcow | how do i reinstall cups |
| 20:08.18 | JonnyRo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.23 | thecoolestcow | i didnt... |
| 20:08.25 | thecoolestcow | ohh |
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| 20:08.29 | thecoolestcow | i uninstalled the PRinter |
| 20:08.32 | thecoolestcow | i didnt specify that |
| 20:08.37 | JonnyRo | ah |
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| 20:08.41 | JonnyRo | leave cups as is |
| 20:08.43 | thecoolestcow | k |
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| 20:08.54 | JonnyRo | but turn off the printer for now |
| 20:09.02 | thecoolestcow | so, do i set up the printer in GIMP or CUPS |
| 20:09.05 | JonnyRo | Once you have finished re-adding the printer, using the gimp driver |
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| 20:09.16 | thecoolestcow | in CUPS, right? |
| 20:09.21 | JonnyRo | the gimp-print drivers are just extra drivers from "the gimp project" |
| 20:09.22 | theD3viL | can i change encoding to iso8895-2 for whole the sistem? |
| 20:09.24 | JonnyRo | they will show up in cups |
| 20:09.27 | thecoolestcow | oh ok |
| 20:09.41 | abrotman | theD3viL: yes .. dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 20:10.20 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: should i plug back in my printer before or after i install the driver (i have no power button) |
| 20:10.24 | theD3viL | abrotman, will this work for xmms too ? |
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| 20:10.43 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, i'm just trying to save you paper |
| 20:10.55 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: oh dont worry, the pages are blank |
| 20:10.58 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, the driver installation does not require that the printer be hooked up |
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| 20:11.41 | JonnyRo | thecoolestcow, it's not like a windows driver in that respect. You will probably be fine if you just leave it plugged in, but you will need to restart cups after you install the driver, to help stop this printing madness |
| 20:12.08 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: how do i restart cups? |
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| 20:12.22 | JonnyRo | /etc/init.d/cupsd restart or /etc/init.d/cups restart |
| 20:12.24 | JonnyRo | i dont know offnad |
| 20:12.25 | thecoolestcow | k |
| 20:12.27 | JonnyRo | offhand |
| 20:12.39 | JonnyRo | rebooting will work too |
| 20:12.39 | streuner | /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
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| 20:12.48 | JonnyRo | streuner, thanks |
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| 20:13.07 | thecoolestcow | k i restarted it... |
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| 20:13.20 | scx | Hi there red people ! Have a nice day ! |
| 20:13.39 | thecoolestcow | what? |
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| 20:14.17 | thecoolestcow | jonnyro: ahh gayyyy its still printing madnesses |
| 20:14.25 | thecoolestcow | check it out, the first page says this: |
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| 20:15.01 | thecoolestcow | !PS-Adobe-3.0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 612 792 %% Creator: Mozilla PostScript module (rv: |
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| 20:15.03 | abdussamed | hi |
| 20:15.31 | abdussamed | why normal users can't use apt-get ? why they can't install packets for their own user? |
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| 20:15.47 | thecoolestcow | abdussamed: it's part of the whole root owns everything |
| 20:15.56 | jjazz | I have a PDF with editable fields. What reader can I use to edit those fields and save/print the resulting doc? Thanks. |
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| 20:16.14 | thecoolestcow | abdussamed: it's the same concept as like, trying to edit a directory as a normal user. you can't do it just incase you screw up. |
| 20:16.40 | kindaya | i dont seem to get xterm to display linedraw chars, could this be a codepage issue? the font works with gnometerm without problem for linedraw chars |
| 20:16.54 | stew | abdussamed: if you want a user to be able to use apt-get, setup sudo |
| 20:17.01 | thecoolestcow | abdussamed: if you're a windows convert (which i assume you are), think of it as the normal user is a restricted user and the root is the administrator: you cant do anything without the admin's permission |
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| 20:17.10 | jjazz | abdussamed: There's no good way to prevent one user from doing something that will conflict with another. Some packages are incompatible with each other. |
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| 20:18.05 | jjazz | abdussamed: Perhaps apt-get should have a way to install packages in user space, but it doesn't currently have one. |
| 20:18.11 | abdussamed | okay... okay but i think root can give access to normal user to install packets for its own. isn't it ? |
| 20:18.19 | abdussamed | hm |
| 20:18.21 | stew | abdussamed: yes, sudo |
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| 20:19.03 | xinming_Beijing | anyone here can tell me which program is used for "auto sleep" for laptop in console? |
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| 20:19.12 | stew | abdussamed: with sudo you could give a user access to install packages systemwide, there is no way to install a pacage in ~user or anything, though |
| 20:19.13 | Althaser | which the minimal gnome installation ? please |
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| 20:19.27 | Althaser | dpkg knows but I can't remember the command ;P |
| 20:19.29 | streuner | Althaser: apt-get install gnome-session |
| 20:19.43 | streuner | Althaser: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 20:19.51 | Althaser | streuner thanks |
| 20:20.01 | echarp | hello, anybody knows where are gone the cx88 modules in debian with kernel>2.6.11? |
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| 20:20.10 | streuner | Althaser: gnome is a meta-package and due to this fact it installs you serveral MB then... |
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| 20:20.50 | Althaser | -:) |
| 20:20.56 | streuner | serveral=about ~ 200MB |
| 20:20.57 | xinming_Beijing | anyone here would help? |
| 20:21.03 | streuner | if you ask |
| 20:21.23 | ircdevil | behold - the great firewall has been breached |
| 20:21.27 | bf88 | hello, anybody knows where are gone manual the installation any programm in Knoppix |
| 20:21.37 | streuner | bf88: #knoppix |
| 20:21.45 | ircdevil | !knoppixsmite bf88 |
| 20:22.00 | bf88 | thenks |
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| 20:22.37 | Ungy | thenks? |
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| 20:22.43 | yacoob | Hi. |
| 20:22.46 | yacoob | Is there a disadvantage using ndsiwrapped wifi card, instead of natively supported? |
| 20:23.12 | streuner | !ndiswrapper |
| 20:23.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux ... |
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| 20:23.13 | JonnyRo | yacoob, irritation mostly |
| 20:23.15 | Ungy | yacoob well you have to deal with the ndiswrapper now don;t you |
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| 20:23.33 | abdussamed | http://pastebin.com/363877 |
| 20:23.36 | abdussamed | can you look here please |
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| 20:24.05 | abdussamed | when i install something via apt-get i'm getting a warning :s |
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| 20:24.11 | Ungy | abdussamed, is it porn? |
| 20:24.24 | vagabund | hehe |
| 20:24.33 | jbroome | we're not going to look unless it's porn |
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| 20:24.42 | abdussamed | Ungy: no :( |
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| 20:24.52 | hyperstream | wtf, ive been trying all day to start a new x session . i gave up, just finished watching tv, screen saver was on moved mouse, then as i was typing in my password i got to the letter z :P and screen went black(thought oooh no gnome crashed its restarting) and i hit alt + ctrl + f7 and there was my screen i was typen a password into .... can anyone tell me why this happened or how i can repeat this ? |
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| 20:24.55 | Ungy | abdussamed, what version you running |
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| 20:24.57 | jjazz | yacoob: ndiswrapper isn't that hard to set up, but it isn't as simple as setting up a card that's got linux drivers. Once it's set up, though, it seems the same to me, but then again, I do pretty simple tasks so I'm probably not asking my card to do all it can. |
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| 20:24.59 | abdussamed | jbroome: can you say an example site |
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| 20:25.33 | abdussamed | apt 0.5.28.6 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 22 2005 07:17:03 |
| 20:25.37 | hyperstream | 'an example site' |
| 20:25.37 | streuner | abdussamed: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:25.44 | yacoob | It's just that I've read that ndiswrapped drivers doesn't support promiscous mode, and thus cannot be used with specific applications :) |
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| 20:26.31 | Ungy | yacoob you want a promiscuous wifi card? |
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| 20:26.53 | jjazz | yacoob: I haven't tried to get slutty with my wifi, so I wouldn't know. But if you read it on the internet, it must be true (or at least as true as any answer you'll get from random people on IRC) |
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| 20:27.05 | yacoob | Ungy: kismet would need such feature, wouldn't it? :) |
| 20:27.06 | Ungy | yacoob "ain't no fun if the homies can't get none"?? |
| 20:27.08 | abdussamed | streuner: i selected "dialog" |
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| 20:27.13 | streuner | ok |
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| 20:27.29 | Ungy | kismet? |
| 20:27.30 | andreas__ | so the 2.6.11 kernel won't compile with gcc 4, how can I compile it with gcc 3.4? |
| 20:27.40 | streuner | !info kismet |
| 20:27.43 | dpkg | kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section net, is optional. Version: 2005.08.R1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1008 kB, Installed size: 2932 kB |
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| 20:28.13 | Ungy | streuner and here I looked it up |
| 20:28.14 | streuner | andreas__: what version of debian do you use? |
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| 20:28.25 | Ungy | only to come back and read that |
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| 20:28.32 | andreas__ | streuner, unstable |
| 20:28.33 | streuner | well |
| 20:28.43 | streuner | andreas__: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:28.46 | stew | andreas__: why are you compiling 2.6.11 instead of 2.6.12? |
| 20:29.04 | andreas__ | stew, because 2.6.11 is what's in the repo |
| 20:29.14 | stew | !info linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 20:29.18 | streuner | andreas__: and use an official kernel if you don't know how to use gcc |
| 20:29.19 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.12: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.12 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-6 (sid), Packaged size: 35670 kB, Installed size: 35760 kB |
| 20:29.34 | andreas__ | hmm.. |
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| 20:29.40 | stew | andreas__: they renamed kernel- to linux- |
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| 20:30.11 | andreas__ | oh really |
| 20:30.14 | andreas__ | well then |
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| 20:30.36 | Ungy | andreas__, when in doubt apt-cache search on 2.6.12 |
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| 20:30.47 | rrt | I am using mozilla-thunderbird in sarge and can't get mail from pop3 server. is this a known issue? |
| 20:30.59 | rrt | mail with attachments |
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| 20:31.11 | Ungy | rrt you sure it's thunderbird? |
| 20:31.21 | rrt | no |
| 20:31.26 | Ungy | how big is the attachement? |
| 20:31.31 | rrt | any attachment |
| 20:31.44 | Ungy | who is the pop3 provider? |
| 20:31.45 | prophile | WERE C4N I GT SUPPRT FR PHPGTK? lol |
| 20:31.58 | abrotman | are you kidding me? |
| 20:32.02 | angelo | hi, I`m setting up an smb server.. no it works fine except for one problem... a path to a share is "public-all" .. but somehow SMB won`t link to that dir .. do I need some other characters to represent the "-" ???? |
| 20:32.10 | yacoob | *sigh* |
| 20:32.12 | angelo | or could this be a problem inside ythe cond |
| 20:32.15 | rrt | godaddy |
| 20:32.16 | Zero_Dogg | uh |
| 20:32.19 | Ungy | rrt does it work with any other mail client? |
| 20:32.21 | angelo | euhm in the conf I meant |
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| 20:32.30 | RedRum | how do i register a channel? |
| 20:32.32 | andreas__ | streuner, stew, Ungy, thanks for your assistance, you have been most helpful |
| 20:32.37 | rrt | will try with kmail. |
| 20:32.45 | me_here | why is kamera depending on libexif10, whereas i only find libexif12 available ? |
| 20:32.46 | streuner | RedRum: /msg chanserv help |
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| 20:32.56 | RedRum | k, tanks |
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| 20:32.59 | Thomas_imbaaack | msg dpkg oneliner |
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| 20:33.05 | Toastie_ | Is it necessarily an error to have less swap space than RAM? |
| 20:33.07 | Thomas_imbaaack | msg dpkg nvidia-oneliner |
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| 20:33.12 | Ungy | rrt you can also always check bugs.debian.org search on the package mozilla-thunderbird |
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| 20:33.18 | Thomas_imbaaack | dang it whats that command? |
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| 20:33.22 | Thomas_imbaaack | msg dpkg nvidia-oneliner |
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| 20:33.33 | Thomas_imbaaack | msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 20:33.34 | Ungy | Thomas_imbaaack, try a / in front |
| 20:33.36 | stew | Thomas_imbaaack: /msg not just mnt |
| 20:33.39 | yacoob | Well. Now I have to check which card would be supported by linux-wlan... |
| 20:33.40 | Thomas_imbaaack | oops |
| 20:33.42 | stew | err not just msg... |
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| 20:34.02 | rrt | i have been burning up the search engines and only thing i find is an issue with it timing out which it does eventually do but seems to just hang. |
| 20:34.05 | Ungy | stew he can moutn dpkg woudlnt; that ab e a bit dangerous |
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| 20:34.37 | Ungy | rrt seems strange I have it working fine with pop3 and imap |
| 20:34.56 | Thomas_imbaaack | woot |
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| 20:35.11 | rrt | i don't have any issues with imap only pop3 |
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| 20:35.24 | Ungy | rrt well then use imap ;-) |
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| 20:36.17 | vagabund | ups sky.fm plays corey hard - sunnglasses at night - |
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| 20:36.29 | jeld | hello all |
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| 20:37.30 | angelo | hi, I`m setting up an smb server.. no it works fine except for one problem... a path to a share is "public-all" .. but somehow SMB won`t link to that dir .. do I need some other characters to represent the "-" ???? |
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| 20:37.54 | jeld | Trying to use a few unstable packages on my stable server. Seems like I am doing something wrong, since once in a while apt tries to install something from unstable all by itself. Can someone he,p? |
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| 20:38.32 | me_here | is there a way to circumvent that kamera depends heavily on libexif10 ? |
| 20:39.11 | me_here | is there a way to circumvent that kamera depends heavily on libexif10, cause i want to install kde and it tells me it is not possible |
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| 20:39.18 | cavediver | I have problem with nfs. I can write new fils and folders on the mount but can't delete them. Permissions is 777 and the error in nautilus is I/O error. Server error is: nfsd[1545]: non-standard errno: 18 (Invalid cross-device link) |
| 20:39.24 | cavediver | Anyone heard about that ? |
| 20:39.47 | liquid_ | Guerin thank |
| 20:39.49 | liquid_ | oops |
| 20:39.52 | cavediver | I use nfs-user-server. |
| 20:39.52 | stew | me_here: what version of debian? why can you install libexif10? |
| 20:40.15 | Ungy | angelo did you look at the example included in the package |
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| 20:40.56 | stew | me_here: are you trying to do somehting silly like install kde from sid on sarge? |
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| 20:41.20 | me_here | stew: debian testing, libexif10 is not available, libexif12 is there but somehow it is either not recongnized as a relative of libexif10 or some other deep depend problem |
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| 20:41.59 | ircdevil | me_here: did you check bts? |
| 20:42.28 | Ungy | !bts |
| 20:42.28 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:42.36 | Oliver123 | hello , is there any chanal GTK |
| 20:42.41 | me_here | ircdevil: no, not yet but i will as soon as possible |
| 20:42.52 | ircdevil | *nod* |
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| 20:43.12 | Ungy | Oliver123, let me take a guess #gtk? |
| 20:43.17 | angelo | Ungy no... is it in there ? |
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| 20:43.39 | Oliver123 | Ung I thought that too, but there is about 5 people |
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| 20:43.58 | Ungy | Oliver123, tells you how popular it is here |
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| 20:44.10 | angelo | Ungy in the example there is no sharepath with an "-" character |
| 20:44.14 | Oliver123 | Ungy veeeryyyy |
| 20:44.15 | Ungy | angelo, well when I set my file server up it was |
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| 20:44.28 | Ungy | angelo try escaping it |
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| 20:44.34 | Ungy | angelo or rename the path |
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| 20:45.09 | angelo | Ungy whats escaping ? |
| 20:45.25 | angelo | Ungy cuz I don`t think ur talking about exiting |
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| 20:46.50 | Ungy | angelo escaping is using a sequence or character to tell a program to use it literally not interperet it |
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| 20:47.15 | angelo | Ungy how do I do that in smb ?? I tried " " but that doesn`t work |
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| 20:47.42 | stew | angelo: have you asked #samba? have you determined that the - is definately the problem? like does it work when you remove the -? |
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| 20:48.02 | Julie1 | hey all |
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| 20:48.06 | Octave_Octet | Hi I need to update a .tar.bz2 archive without uncompressing it (not enough space on the HD). Is this possible |
| 20:48.06 | ricky_clarkson | Hey Jude. |
| 20:48.12 | Ungy | angelo try /- |
| 20:48.14 | angelo | stew yes it works when I remove the - |
| 20:48.19 | angelo | Ungy thnx |
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| 20:48.30 | angelo | I~ll be trying that |
| 20:48.31 | angelo | thnx |
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| 20:49.26 | Ungy | stew why he couldn't doa public_all instead is beyond me |
| 20:49.27 | TheMushu | dd |
| 20:49.49 | phaedrus_ | never mind i got it restarted |
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| 20:49.52 | ricky_clarkson | TheMushu: :q! |
| 20:49.57 | _Killer | hi @ all |
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| 20:50.11 | _Killer | ive ab problem with mii-tool an my nic |
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| 20:50.27 | _Killer | im using an onboard nic |
| 20:50.33 | _Killer | driver is forcedeth |
| 20:50.34 | TheMushu | ircnet |
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| 20:50.41 | _Killer | ? |
| 20:50.53 | Ungy | _Killer, please state your entire question in one blurb |
| 20:50.56 | Ungy | !enter |
| 20:50.56 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 20:51.28 | Julie1 | its a puzzle! *cheers* |
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| 20:51.30 | quiet | how do you install metacity themes? |
| 20:51.30 | onzi | when i make "startx" i have this error: (EE)R128(0): Cannot read V_BIOS , (EE)R128(0): NO DFP Detected ... i have ati rage 128 . need help |
| 20:51.33 | vagabund | !sex |
| 20:51.33 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 20:52.00 | Julie1 | lol vagabund! |
| 20:52.09 | _Killer | si mii-tool does not work |
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| 20:52.24 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 20:52.24 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
| 20:52.37 | thingfish | hahaha that one's great. |
| 20:52.38 | ricky_clarkson | Kyle Brooks was a cunt. |
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| 20:52.43 | _Killer | announcing this error |
| 20:52.44 | _Killer | mii-tool |
| 20:52.44 | _Killer | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Invalid argument |
| 20:52.44 | _Killer | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not supported |
| 20:52.44 | _Killer | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth2' failed: Operation not supported |
| 20:52.44 | _Killer | no MII interfaces found |
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| 20:52.52 | _Killer | anybody can help |
| 20:52.54 | ricky_clarkson | _Killer: denouncing the errormaker. |
| 20:52.55 | _Killer | uups |
| 20:52.57 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 20:52.57 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 20:53.04 | prophile | #flood |
| 20:53.09 | _Killer | sry |
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| 20:53.18 | sussudio | !sry |
| 20:53.18 | dpkg | it has been said that sry is Sorry, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY |
| 20:53.28 | ricky_clarkson | !say sussudio: I love you. |
| 20:53.29 | dpkg | sussudio: I love you. |
| 20:53.39 | rob | Hi, I'm wondering if anyone can link me to a more verbose guide to creating a custom Sarge ISO than here; http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 20:53.43 | sussudio | dpkg: slut |
| 20:53.43 | dpkg | slut is, like, a loose person (figuratively speaking, of course) who has sex for the simple reason of having sex, or a term used by a prude to describe a normal person |
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| 20:53.58 | Julie1 | who on earth has so much spare time he/she can tune up a bot like that? |
| 20:54.02 | ricky_clarkson | !say sussudio: Please forgive me. |
| 20:54.03 | dpkg | sussudio: Please forgive me. |
| 20:54.06 | OpUsGay | Hail |
| 20:54.11 | prophile | Heil |
| 20:54.14 | rob | The problem being that with linux-kernel-di-i386, I don't have any kind of build scripts with it, and I'm not quite sure where to go from there. |
| 20:54.21 | sussudio | OpUsGay: bye. |
| 20:54.31 | stew | Julie1: millions of monkeys are typing factoids into the bot as we speak |
| 20:54.37 | ricky_clarkson | !say sussudio: I think you still have me on ignore from a year ago, but I'm a changed man. |
| 20:54.38 | ryan_ | dpkg: explode |
| 20:54.38 | dpkg | sussudio: I think you still have me on ignore from a year ago, but I'm a changed man. |
| 20:54.38 | dpkg | BOOOM |
| 20:54.43 | _Killer | !mii |
| 20:54.43 | dpkg | methinks mii is a module used by a number of network drivers to provide a standard interface for getting status info and such. ie used by mii-tool |
| 20:54.50 | ryan_ | ^_^ |
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| 20:55.07 | _Killer | anybody can help |
| 20:55.08 | _Killer | pls |
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| 20:55.18 | Ungy | bot abuse |
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| 20:55.22 | vagabund | hihihi |
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| 20:55.24 | ricky_clarkson | What's wrong? Vowel shortage? |
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| 20:55.42 | sussudio | _Killer: i would tell you to read the fucking debian FAQ, but some devs will go all teary eyed. |
| 20:55.44 | kb9way | !boobs |
| 20:55.44 | dpkg | (.)(.) |
| 20:55.45 | _Killer | i cant chnage mode mith mii-tool |
| 20:55.55 | kb9way | !shit |
| 20:55.55 | dpkg | [shit] fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 20:56.00 | sussudio | kb9way: stop |
| 20:56.01 | abrotman | kb9way: stop |
| 20:56.03 | _Killer | sussudio |
| 20:56.07 | _Killer | i have aerady |
| 20:56.09 | sussudio | !faq _Killer |
| 20:56.10 | dpkg | _Killer: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:56.42 | Evil_Devil | hi |
| 20:56.42 | Evil_Devil | i installed ntop and i cant browse the page to see if it is working http://localhost:3000 |
| 20:56.56 | vagabund | uh heaven is a place on earth - |
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| 20:57.13 | Evil_Devil | also i cant find the config file can you help me? |
| 20:57.15 | Ungy | _Killer, seriously please stop hitting enter and type out what you got to say in blocks. not all willy nilly |
| 20:57.45 | onzi | need help |
| 20:57.47 | onzi | please |
| 20:57.59 | _Killer | so , i want to config MOde from NIC, to FD mode, but mii-tool doenst work with my nic |
| 20:58.29 | Ungy | onzi you woudl be better off stating yoru question' |
| 20:58.32 | takatumi | onzi: try installing x-window-system-core (if you haven't) |
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| 20:59.10 | Oliver123 | can somebody help me maybe ? |
| 20:59.15 | _Killer | no |
| 20:59.18 | Oliver123 | haha |
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| 20:59.20 | abrotman | did he even ask a question or is takatumi just psychic? |
| 20:59.20 | Oliver123 | thanks |
| 20:59.33 | Oliver123 | I nead to flood , that is why I am askong :) |
| 20:59.39 | rob | #flood |
| 20:59.42 | Oliver123 | jes |
| 20:59.42 | onzi | when i make "startx" i have this error: (EE)R128(0): Cannot read V_BIOS , (EE)R128(0): NO DFP Detected ... i have ati rage 128 . need help |
| 20:59.44 | Oliver123 | but |
| 20:59.50 | Oliver123 | if somebody there |
| 21:00.15 | stew | Oliver123: if you have a real question ask it |
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| 21:00.44 | jcole | anyone here know how to take a large .avi/.mpg file and convert it to DVD layout so it can be burned and played in a regular DVD player? |
| 21:00.45 | Evil_Devil | can someone help me with NTOP? |
| 21:00.48 | Oliver123 | I pasted on #flood . That is some error |
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| 21:01.28 | stew | Oliver123: do you have libgtk2.0-dev installed? |
| 21:01.39 | onzi | ... |
| 21:01.44 | Oliver123 | YES |
| 21:02.18 | Oliver123 | sort |
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| 21:02.31 | Oliver123 | sory, no stew |
| 21:02.33 | Ungy | onzi ok let me get this straight you are compiling startx? |
| 21:02.34 | Oliver123 | :) |
| 21:02.45 | andreas__ | when compiling a new kernel using make-kpkg, will cflags specified like this be used by the compiler? -> $ CFLAGS="-march=pentium-m" make-kpkg etc |
| 21:02.53 | stew | Oliver123: are you positive there is no debian package for whatever you are tyring to compile? |
| 21:02.59 | takatumi | Ungy: that ain't straight. |
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| 21:03.20 | stew | andreas__: only if you select pentium-m as the processor type in the .config |
| 21:03.23 | Oliver123 | stew yes I am trying to compile LIVES , video editor |
| 21:03.37 | andreas__ | I see |
| 21:03.58 | jcole | i know there are a plethora of tools of this kind for windows, but i would like to do this on linux |
| 21:04.09 | Evil_Devil | can someone tell me where is the config file for ntop? |
| 21:04.30 | jcole | Evil_Devil: dpkg -L ntop |
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| 21:04.50 | stew | Evil_Devil: either man ntop ; or /usr/share/doc/ntop/* |
| 21:04.52 | Lars_G | Greetings. |
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| 21:05.21 | Lars_G | I have been looking around and found nothing on this... if I want to install a package WITHOUT removing another previously installed that conflicts with it, is it doable? |
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| 21:05.49 | Ungy | Lars_G, did you man dpkg? |
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| 21:06.14 | stew | Lars_G: there is almost never a good reason to do that |
| 21:06.19 | Lars_G | Ungy: I'm trying to pull this with apt.-get, but... |
| 21:06.34 | stew | Lars_G: what packages? why do you want to do this? |
| 21:06.41 | jcole | nm, got it... mkisofs -dvd-video |
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| 21:07.05 | Lars_G | stew: This is the reason, server in production is having troubles with courier-mta, must be changed, in hot. so postfix will be installed, configured up and tested, then placed on the right port, and in one motion, courier-mta dissabled and postfix started. |
| 21:07.09 | samuel | what is the package name that integrates the debian menu system into the gnome menus please? |
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| 21:07.22 | Lars_G | stew: For this, i need to install postfix without removing courier-mta |
| 21:07.36 | Lars_G | stew: Temporarily at least |
| 21:07.37 | stew | Lars_G: those two cannot co-exist peacfully since they both want to replace /usr/sbin/sendmail and others |
| 21:07.49 | Lars_G | hm... sigh you're right there. |
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| 21:08.00 | Lars_G | Downtime it is then |
| 21:08.07 | mith | uhh, they can too coexist peacefully |
| 21:08.12 | rob | Has anyone replaced the kernel on the netinstaller ISO image under sarge, rather than under woody? I had a nice script to do it under woody, but I can't seem to figure it out with the new system. Does anyone have a reasonably verbose guide? |
| 21:08.16 | mith | people just don't make use of /etc/alternatives as much as they should. |
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| 21:08.37 | stew | mith: and by people you mean the maintainers? |
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| 21:08.42 | mith | stew: yes |
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| 21:09.13 | mith | technically there's no reason exim and postfix can't be installed at the same time, the packages just forbid it, you could apt-get source and remove the conflict |
| 21:09.28 | Lumination | hello... I am having a problem compiling many gui programs... I am frequently getting the message "Qt (>=3.0) headers and libraries not found" -- but I don't know what package to get. |
| 21:09.36 | abrotman | libqt-dev |
| 21:09.36 | Ungy | Lars_G, I use Courier for my imap and pop and postfix as my smtp server |
| 21:09.47 | samuel | what is the package name that integrates the debian menu system into the gnome menus please? |
| 21:09.48 | mith | build a custom package, that doesn't conflict, then after the "swap over" install the official package since it should understand not to fuck with your config files |
| 21:09.52 | Lars_G | Ungy: Yes that is the finaly setup that will remain. |
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| 21:10.14 | mith | Lars_G: make sense? |
| 21:10.14 | Lars_G | mith: Yup, good idea. thanks. |
| 21:10.26 | stew | Lars_G: i just switched from courier-mta to postfix for similar reasons |
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| 21:10.48 | Lars_G | stew: Courier-mta is not bad, but it's unrealistically tight about RFC compliance. |
| 21:10.56 | stew | Lars_G: exactly |
| 21:10.57 | Ungy | hmm I moved from qmail to postfix reletivly easy with abotu 5 minutes of down time |
| 21:11.08 | Lars_G | stew: rfc compliance is obtained gradually, not forcing the universe as a whole to change |
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| 21:11.22 | mith | Lars_G: you'll just have to verify that nothing that's not in /etc/alternatives as far as binaries conflicts between the postfix and exim packages, it's a pain in the ass but the only real way to do it. :P |
| 21:11.24 | Lars_G | Ok will go do that. |
| 21:11.30 | mith | unless you want to install postfix from source |
| 21:11.30 | Ungy | I just did my config for postfix and all setup prior to installing the packages |
| 21:11.37 | vagabund | sky.fm plays the bangles - eternal flame - *kiss* |
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| 21:11.53 | Lars_G | Ungy: A good idea either, and I have an extra system I can test the config on. |
| 21:12.03 | Lars_G | bbl, gotta concentrate on this one. |
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| 21:12.08 | mith | Ungy: well, he said he wanted to test the config, I assumed he meant live on that box :P |
| 21:12.09 | Ungy | Lars_G have fun |
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| 21:12.32 | Ungy | mith that was yoru problem you assumed ;-) |
| 21:13.05 | Zero_Dogg | How can I bind a key to the middle mouse button using xmodmap? |
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| 21:17.27 | Solet` | anyone have any ideas as to how i can install debian onto a laptop with no cd bay or floppy drive? i tried telling it to boot from cd and floppy and stuck in a flash drive with the install contents but that didnt work... is there a way i can set up a network boot so that it will map a cd drive on another computer and boot from it? |
| 21:18.54 | jjazz | I have a PDF with editable fields. What reader can I use to edit those fields and save/print the resulting doc? Thanks. |
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| 21:19.46 | blaise_ | hello |
| 21:19.50 | Stramash | Solet`, if you can boot from a flashdrive you shud be able to install basic network as Bart's network boot diskbut am notsure that is the debian way |
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| 21:20.04 | znx | Solet`: you can try one of the flash drive based distros and then remotely mount and install ? |
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| 21:20.22 | blaise_ | (sorry i'm french) Kan you help me with iptables ? |
| 21:20.25 | Solet` | Stramash thats the problem i cant usb boot |
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| 21:20.54 | blaise_ | (sorry i'm french) Kan you help me with iptables ? |
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| 21:21.06 | mwilson | If it has no CD, and no floppy, how do you get any OS onto it at all? |
| 21:21.10 | bonez39 | how do I add a location to $path? I know it's echo something.....but am foggy on the rest |
| 21:21.13 | mwilson | Never mind it being Debian. |
| 21:21.14 | Stramash | Solet`, i made a usb boot drive using hp stuff then added Bart's stuff to it |
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| 21:21.24 | Solet` | mwilson: usb cd drive |
| 21:21.32 | Solet` | one of which i dont have |
| 21:21.52 | blaise_ | (sorry i'm french) Kan you help me with iptables ? |
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| 21:22.09 | mwilson | And the BIOS in it knows how to boot from a USB CD? I find that unlikely. |
| 21:22.22 | Solet` | stramash: i cant boot from usb |
| 21:22.36 | Solet` | mwilson: the bios searches all ports for an apti device |
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| 21:22.59 | mwilson | If it knows how to boot an USB CD, it can't be that old of a laptop. |
| 21:23.04 | Solet` | hrm im missing a letter there somewhere but i'm too fucked up on cold medication to figure out where |
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| 21:23.14 | Solet` | its not all that old |
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| 21:23.45 | Solet` | its a dell latitude... latitudes dont have external device bays... its to save battery life |
| 21:23.53 | Stramash | Solet`, hp site had usb boot stuff we used it at work for thin clinet with no cd or floppy |
| 21:23.57 | mwilson | So drop $10 on a USB floppy drive and do itthat way. |
| 21:24.23 | blaise_ | (sorry i'm french) Kan you help me with iptables ? |
| 21:24.33 | eeyore- | Solet`: you ought to be able to use a special cable to hook up parallel port to a floppy drive |
| 21:24.39 | Stramash | then check Bart's network boot disk site for how to make network boot disk and mash them together |
| 21:24.58 | eeyore- | Solet`: some of our dell's have that. you take the floppy that would otherwise fit in the bay, and hook it up via the cable |
| 21:25.19 | blaise_ | (sorry i'm french) Kan you help me with iptables ? |
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| 21:25.51 | thingfish | !fr |
| 21:25.51 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 21:26.00 | vagabund | so I deside a girly is mutch better than -"debian" |
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| 21:26.14 | blaise_ | dpkg j'arrive |
| 21:26.27 | quiet | i just installed lm-sensors-source with apt.. how do i build it/where is the source? |
| 21:26.32 | vagabund | *+rofl* |
| 21:26.44 | Stramash | lol vagabund |
| 21:26.55 | eeyore- | quiet: dpkg --listfiles <package-name> |
| 21:27.32 | paulswm | vagabund: A "girly" beats any OS, IMHO :) |
| 21:27.38 | Solet` | blaise_: if some one could help you they would have said something by now... you're prolly better off going to the french channel anyway, and for the love of christ STOP REPEATING YOUR STUPID ASS |
| 21:27.51 | Stramash | i dunno .. |
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| 21:27.57 | Stramash | Life's a bitch |
| 21:28.02 | Stramash | then you marry one |
| 21:28.05 | Stramash | as they say |
| 21:28.16 | blaise_ | Solet ok tanks. |
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| 21:28.48 | quad3datwork | debian dont have ripmime in pkg? |
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| 21:29.09 | vagabund | jump for your love - jump!!! |
| 21:29.37 | mwilson | quad3datwork: If you say so. |
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| 21:29.50 | stew | quad3datwork: /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:31.24 | quad3datwork | thx |
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| 21:31.53 | stdan2002 | can anyone help me set up afbackup? |
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| 21:32.20 | vagabund | hihi if you dont marry anyone of her you on the way -perhaps |
| 21:32.20 | stdan2002 | i get this error: Server Error: opening the device for reading failed |
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| 21:33.37 | blaise_ | EveryBody sleep on #debian-fr |
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| 21:34.05 | cevizoglu | blaise_: speak english on here then :) |
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| 21:34.16 | quad3datwork | debian dont have a general db direcotry does it? |
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| 21:34.41 | quad3datwork | something like /var/db... ;) |
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| 21:35.58 | AMIGrAve | is it possible to make an audio CD iso image file to behave as if it was a cdrom device ? |
| 21:35.59 | manbox | guys any1 know what mainline is when it comes to bittorrnet? |
| 21:36.15 | eeyore- | quad3datwork: you're thinking of gentoo |
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| 21:36.25 | manbox | i know azureus, abc, etc, but mainline? is that original bittorrent??? |
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| 21:36.38 | manbox | AMIGrAve, yes!! |
| 21:36.52 | quad3datwork | hmmm well, i mainly do fbsd stuff but i'm fixing this debian's email server right now and implementing clamav+spamassassin+simscan |
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| 21:37.05 | eeyore- | AMIGrAve: audiocd isn't "iso" |
| 21:37.07 | jonathan_ | nothing shows up in resolutions in display manager (Xfce 4.2.2). i have xfree 4.3, debian 3.1, Xfce 4.2.2 from graphical installer. I ran xdpyinfo and it says i have randr. i am using xfree nv video drivers. changing gamma works fine. I have asked this several times in xfce with no luck. |
| 21:37.17 | AMIGrAve | manbox: how can I do that ? I know how to use mount in order to mount a data iso image, but not for audio |
| 21:37.18 | quad3datwork | not too familiar with gentoo |
| 21:37.42 | quad3datwork | found it... /var/lib |
| 21:37.44 | quad3datwork | thx anyway |
| 21:37.46 | AMIGrAve | eeyore-: a dd from the device |
| 21:37.49 | vagabund | !gentoo |
| 21:37.49 | dpkg | gentoo is probably a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 21:37.56 | eeyore- | AMIGrAve: why don't you just extract individual tracks from the cd? put them in wave files |
| 21:38.00 | manbox | AMIGrAve, oh i've never tried to mount a cda? |
| 21:38.03 | eeyore- | AMIGrAve: "cdparanoia" |
| 21:38.05 | manbox | is that possible, im not sure.. |
| 21:38.12 | onzi | startx i have this error: (EE)R128(0): NO DFP Detected need help |
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| 21:38.17 | mwilson | AMIGrAve: Where did you get the idea you could mount an audio disc? |
| 21:38.18 | AMIGrAve | eeyore-: I don't have the cd, just the file |
| 21:38.21 | angelo | diet gcc -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -Os -Wall -c mdyndns.c |
| 21:38.23 | angelo | make: diet: Command not found |
| 21:38.26 | angelo | what to do about that ? |
| 21:38.33 | manbox | mwilson, yeah.. strange idea |
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| 21:38.48 | AMIGrAve | mwilson: I know I can't mount a cd audio, that's not what I want to do |
| 21:38.52 | manbox | i jusr juicer to get the audo off the traCKS.. |
| 21:39.14 | manbox | AMIGrAve, let's us know when you know what to do.. |
| 21:39.28 | mwilson | AMIGrAve: It's not an ISO, don't call it one. There's no filesystem on it. |
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| 21:39.51 | manbox | what you got then? |
| 21:39.51 | AMIGrAve | manbox: I would like to know if it is possible to emulate a cdrom device from a file that is an image of an audio cd |
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| 21:40.03 | manbox | what kind of image? |
| 21:40.08 | mwilson | I doubt it's even a semi-accurate image. |
| 21:40.09 | manbox | i dont know off it.. |
| 21:40.31 | mwilson | It'd be interesting to hear what happened if you tried to burn it back. |
| 21:40.36 | eeyore- | AMIGrAve: dd might not have picked up all the bits ... hard to say |
| 21:40.50 | cevizoglu | AMIGrAve: you mean you want to play the songs off of the image file |
| 21:40.56 | AMIGrAve | manbox: I'm not sure (it's was a .nrg image that I converted using nrg2iso) I guess it's the dd of the disc |
| 21:41.02 | manbox | i only use *.iso under linux.. there are some image transcoders, but none are real good |
| 21:41.18 | AMIGrAve | cevizoglu: yes |
| 21:41.20 | eeyore- | first you said dd, now you say it's nero |
| 21:41.22 | eeyore- | :-p |
| 21:41.28 | AMIGrAve | cevizoglu: whithout burning it |
| 21:41.35 | manbox | only thing i know is mount -o loop -t iso9660 |
| 21:41.40 | eeyore- | dd != nero |
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| 21:41.51 | manbox | but dont think that works with cda |
| 21:41.56 | AMIGrAve | eeyore-: i know i know, it was a way of speaking |
| 21:42.09 | eeyore- | goob foob dee tooo dah beefoob |
| 21:42.19 | manbox | check the file size of the iso file? to make sure the audio is inlcuded.. |
| 21:42.33 | AMIGrAve | could you please guys be less aggressive ? |
| 21:42.44 | manbox | hmm |
| 21:42.56 | manbox | du-bi-do do-ba-ba-do-bi |
| 21:43.06 | mwilson | By "less aggressive", you mean we should stop requiring you to actually be accurate in what you say? |
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| 21:43.26 | eeyore- | manbox: give up. it *might* be possible to extract tracks from the image file assuming it's accurate bit-for-bit image. but if it's nero, it might have extra crap in it you'd have to skip over. not knowing nero format, that presents additional challenge. |
| 21:43.36 | AMIGrAve | manbox: I cp the file to the /dev/dsp and after a bunch of inaudible sounds I got music |
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| 21:44.11 | cevizoglu | AMIGrAve: that is indeed scary |
| 21:44.12 | manbox | AMIGrAve is the one who ask eeyore- |
| 21:44.16 | pem3v78 | can I change video refresh rate in kernel vesa frame buffer driver ? |
| 21:44.18 | AMIGrAve | manbox: well not exactly music but I recognized acceleracted musicx |
| 21:44.26 | angelo | dyndns site says I need libowfat to compile I installed libowfat-dev package but still it errors and says it misses libowfat.a ... which package do I need to install ? |
| 21:44.47 | manbox | scary.. stuff.. i think it's Ahead's mind control tracks.. |
| 21:44.52 | cevizoglu | AMIGrAve: but... but... mp3's are much smaller |
| 21:44.52 | eeyore- | manbox: if it's true bit for bit image of the redbook format, you ought to be able to write a program to extract and follow individual tracks |
| 21:44.57 | pem3v78 | angelo: libowfat :) |
| 21:45.15 | mwilson | What does file(1) say it is? |
| 21:45.23 | angelo | pem3v78 that package isn`t included in the debian packages ??? apt-cache search only gives libowfat-dev |
| 21:45.30 | manbox | drunken_punch_at_a_wedding |
| 21:45.47 | manbox | nite all! |
| 21:45.58 | AMIGrAve | manbox: I mean I heard music when I play the file as if it was raw audio |
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| 21:47.11 | pem3v78 | quote: "The library is available for use with the diet libc." |
| 21:48.00 | angelo | pem3v78 but I already installed dietlibc |
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| 21:48.52 | yoo | Hi ! |
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| 21:49.16 | yoo | Somebody know how scan channel TV ? |
| 21:49.27 | vagabund | manbox: maybee hes infected by a girl he never became - or so ? |
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| 21:49.52 | yoo | with what soft ? |
| 21:50.37 | angelo | yoo hmm I did it once.. what software didI use before .. grr |
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| 21:51.10 | yoo | angelo : please remenber :) |
| 21:51.22 | Vincent | Hello |
| 21:51.32 | Vincent | I need some help |
| 21:51.47 | angelo | xawtv I guess itw as |
| 21:51.49 | angelo | was |
| 21:52.02 | angelo | Vincent spit it out |
| 21:52.08 | yoo | ok |
| 21:52.11 | yoo | thanks |
| 21:52.20 | angelo | yoo try it .. I`m not sure though |
| 21:52.34 | Vincent | In all Books i read the Apache2 Config-Files calls httpd.conf but my primary config files calls apache2.conf. Whats wrong |
| 21:52.45 | Vincent | httpd.conf is only for vhosts |
| 21:52.49 | eeyore- | yoo: do you have a tv tuner card? |
| 21:52.49 | yoo | ok |
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| 21:53.13 | yoo | oh! i will go to buy it tomorrow |
| 21:53.25 | eeyore- | yoo: make sure it's supported by v4l or v4l2 |
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| 21:53.39 | eeyore- | yoo: external, usb-based ones are likely not to work |
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| 21:54.04 | yoo | v4l ? |
| 21:54.06 | angelo | Vincent you can name the .conf however you like .. but whats the problem ?? if it works .. it works ? |
| 21:54.10 | eeyore- | yoo: bt848-based ones are fine. hauppauge wintv pvr250 and pvr350 are supported |
| 21:54.10 | yoo | what that ? |
| 21:54.18 | yoo | ok |
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| 21:54.30 | Vincent | yes it works |
| 21:54.42 | angelo | Vincent whats wrong then ? :P |
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| 21:54.49 | eeyore- | yoo: you were gonna buy a card blind without even doing a research and knowing what v4l is? (v4l = video4linux) |
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| 21:55.28 | Vincent | nothing but all books or howto's say i must configure httpd.conf for the general options |
| 21:55.39 | vagabund | hm ne seemöve -(error) |
| 21:55.54 | yoo | eeyore-, ok |
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| 21:55.56 | yoo | thanks :) |
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| 21:56.23 | Vincent | but the general options on my server are in apache2.conf - apache2.conf: Include /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 21:56.29 | kevinv | hello, where would I start if I want to create a PPP connection over my LPT port? |
| 21:56.44 | Vincent | I would only know why? |
| 21:56.48 | angelo | Vincent ah well .. the time a book is being written .. is the time a book is out-dates |
| 21:56.51 | angelo | s=d |
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| 21:56.59 | petemc | kevinv: plip, probably |
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| 21:57.06 | SquareGuy | any xfce 4.2.2 users in here that can help me with no resolutions showing up in the display manager (where you choose desktop gamma and resolutions) none of resoultions from xf86config or anything for thAt matter shows up. any ideas? |
| 21:57.15 | Vincent | no it is for apache2 under debian or others |
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| 21:57.49 | jjazz | I have a PDF with editable fields. What reader can I use to edit those fields and save/print the resulting doc? Thanks. |
| 21:58.03 | mwilson | jjazz: Acrobat? |
| 21:58.05 | kevinv | petemc: Is plip a debian package? And if it's configured with it, can it act like an eth0 interface with IP address? |
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| 21:58.07 | Vincent | in my debian 3.1 manual is a short area about apache which talks about httpd.conf too |
| 21:58.10 | eeyore- | jjazz: acrobat reader can edit it, but cannot save |
| 21:58.18 | eeyore- | jjazz: acrobat professional can edit and save |
| 21:58.25 | jjazz | mwilson: I wasn't aware acrobat was available for Debian. |
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| 21:58.37 | intmain | what is the package with kdevelop |
| 21:58.42 | Vincent | in first time i thought that is an special debian configuration |
| 21:58.42 | petemc | kevinv: apt-cache search, ive not actually used it, used slip many moons ago tho |
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| 21:58.48 | kevinv | petemc: Reason why, is that I have a really old system with no NIC card, or even a CD-ROM drive. I am wanting to install Debian on it. |
| 21:58.48 | jjazz | eeyore-: I was hoping for something from the open source world-- I work in an office that is committed to open source to the extent that we don't use closed source stuff. |
| 21:59.08 | eeyore- | jjazz: well, hmm. don't know. sorry. |
| 21:59.19 | eeyore- | jjazz: that's going a bit far. be pragmatic. |
| 21:59.20 | mwilson | jjazz: What about using the best product for the job? |
| 21:59.24 | kevinv | petemc: Which do you think would be faster serial or LPT? |
| 21:59.24 | jjazz | eeyore-: I appreciate the suggestion, though. |
| 21:59.37 | intmain | or better said; what package contains kdevelop |
| 21:59.41 | jjazz | eeyore-: We're pragmatic to the extent that we use some proprietary drivers. |
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| 21:59.54 | mwilson | How can reader not save it? |
| 21:59.58 | petemc | kevinv: lpt, but both are fairly shit |
| 22:00.05 | eeyore- | jjazz: there's gpdf, but i'm not sure if it supports editable pdf fields |
| 22:00.07 | jjazz | mwilson: It's not like we have a rule against using closed source stuff. It's just that we try to find the FOSS solution. |
| 22:00.10 | eeyore- | mwilson: marketing design |
| 22:00.16 | jjazz | eeyore-: I'll give that a go and find out. |
| 22:00.26 | kevinv | petemc: It's all I've got at the moment, can NFS work with that interface? |
| 22:00.27 | eeyore- | mwilson: free acrobat reader can edit/print but cannot save. acrobat professional can edit/print/save |
| 22:00.34 | eeyore- | mwilson: purely a revenue-generation option |
| 22:00.42 | jjazz | mwilson: Reader has no save option-- Adobe deliberately cripples the reader to make the pro package nicer. |
| 22:00.53 | petemc | kevinv: i should imagine so |
| 22:00.53 | mwilson | Not so. |
| 22:01.18 | pem3v78 | angelo: unpack it by hand |
| 22:01.18 | mwilson | We have any number of editable PDF forms at work that you can open in acroread and save again. |
| 22:01.34 | eeyore- | mwilson: i don't think so. says so quite clearly by adobe. |
| 22:01.40 | kevinv | petemc: Thanks, is there any tutorials online for a Debian installation using such a method, I am currently running debian sarge on my current running machine. |
| 22:01.44 | eeyore- | mwilson: you might actually have acrobat reader professional |
| 22:01.47 | jjazz | mwilson: Hmm... last time I looked at the reader (5 years ago) that wasn't the case. Maybe it has changed. Or maybe you have the pro version at work. |
| 22:01.48 | mwilson | I certainly don't have full Acrobat. |
| 22:02.10 | pem3v78 | angelo: package libowfat-dev has the file, but the archive isn't extracted at all during install. Someone can explain that ? |
| 22:02.16 | eeyore- | mwilson: well, count yourself lucky then :) |
| 22:02.18 | mwilson | We put reader on all our XP desktops, but not the full product. And I *do* know the difference, thank you very much. |
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| 22:02.23 | eeyore- | mwilson: however you got it, you got it |
| 22:02.28 | mwilson | eeyore-: Nope. |
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| 22:02.39 | dli | any good howto for a simple NAT router. |
| 22:02.43 | angelo | pem3v78 I download libowfat via freshmeat already |
| 22:02.47 | mwilson | eeyore-: *I'm* the guy that would have installed it, if it were there. |
| 22:02.52 | angelo | pem3v78 but thnx for helping |
| 22:03.00 | SalsaDoom | You know whats sweet? Being allowed to install debian on your computer at work. |
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| 22:03.06 | angelo | pem3v78 it`s working like a charm now :D |
| 22:03.08 | pem3v78 | is this a bug in this package ? |
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| 22:03.27 | petemc | kevinv: i dont know of any offhand |
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| 22:04.04 | SalsaDoom | mwilson, because windows sucks. Our apps are just citrix anyway. |
| 22:04.34 | petemc | citrix allows windows to be multi user, but its still windows running the app |
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| 22:04.58 | kevinv | petemc: It seems to be installed with "net-tools" package. Thanks. |
| 22:05.12 | petemc | kjs3: no problem, good luck |
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| 22:05.30 | petemc | buy yourself 2 nics and a cross over cable soon :) |
| 22:05.39 | pem3v78 | ah, my mistake. angelo |
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| 22:05.48 | vagabund | debian allows "windows" to be all what they wanna to bee |
| 22:05.52 | pem3v78 | you must have done sth wrong too |
| 22:06.13 | pem3v78 | with the installation of the package, the file is extracted properly :) |
| 22:06.35 | SerajewelKS | should i be concerned that the debian distributed.net team has been at position 1337 for the last week? |
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| 22:06.59 | eeyore- | mwilson: http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/325687.html |
| 22:07.03 | stew | SerajewelKS: you should probably not concern yourself with distributed.net rankins in any way |
| 22:07.16 | eeyore- | mwilson: that covers v4 and v5, not v6 explicitly. but it says right there, "reader cannot save changes to pdf" |
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| 22:07.38 | kurumin_ | server netclass.4linux.com.br |
| 22:07.50 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: if you're talking about form filling, ISTR it being able to do so |
| 22:08.02 | SerajewelKS | stew, i don't mean that the problem is we haven't been advancing... it's just.. 1337.. what a horrible number for debian to be at |
| 22:08.02 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: but that was the limit of its abilities |
| 22:08.22 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: ISTR = ? |
| 22:08.24 | SerajewelKS | stew, and yes, i'm joking |
| 22:08.40 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: I seem to recall |
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| 22:08.53 | angelo | hmm I totaly never used cron before.... how can I let cron run dyndns every like 30 minutes ? |
| 22:08.57 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: right, but mwilson says he has acrobat reader that can save changes to PDF forms |
| 22:09.09 | glm | angelo: man cron |
| 22:09.17 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: and i recall that no version of "reader" i have ever saves anything |
| 22:09.34 | pem3v78 | angelo: you shouldn't do it, find a daemon to update it |
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| 22:10.07 | vagabund | debiam fullfill your dreams - no lie!!! |
| 22:10.16 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: I thought it could save the filled out forms... but then, I could be misremembering. |
| 22:10.16 | eeyore- | vagabund: wet dreams? |
| 22:10.43 | angelo | pem3v78 why shouldn`t I do it ? |
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| 22:10.46 | glm | pem3v78: why a daemon when a simple cron job works well? I run a cronjob since years... |
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| 22:11.00 | jazzmanss | it can save the data filled in from the forms, but not as a pdf, it's an fdf according to the link. (reader) |
| 22:11.00 | SpinDoc | hello, does intel536ep pci modem work with Debian ? |
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| 22:11.21 | pem3v78 | it generates unnecessary traffic |
| 22:11.39 | pem3v78 | you should only update the entry when your ip changes |
| 22:11.47 | Guerin | pem3v78: in the order of hundreds of bytes. Yes, that;s a terrible thing. |
| 22:11.54 | angelo | pem3v78 how can I check when my ip changes ? |
| 22:12.06 | pem3v78 | when a million people do it, -> count that |
| 22:12.07 | eeyore- | jazzmanss: that's news ... cool. hell, i don't mind fdf if it *saves* something. i can't remember how many times i've been frustrated by not being to save the data! |
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| 22:12.13 | eeyore- | jazzmanss: is this v6 or v7? |
| 22:12.15 | vagabund | if u be fit to reed the manuals - ure KING !!! |
| 22:12.29 | jazzmanss | eeyore, it was your link, 4 and 5 reader IIRC |
| 22:12.39 | Guerin | pem3v78: a million people don't use dyndns |
| 22:12.44 | eeyore- | jazzmanss: hmm, let me fire up acrobat reader :) |
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| 22:13.20 | angelo | but is there a way to simply check when your ip changes ??? cuz pem3v78 is right about unnececairy traffic |
| 22:13.22 | Guerin | there is a dynamic dns script in debian, though. I forget the name, but i bet it shows up on a search for dynamic dns |
| 22:13.23 | jazzmanss | eeyore, it's acrobat approval 5.x |
| 22:13.25 | pem3v78 | they have a lot of domains, and belive me it's not only this traffic. it has to propagate to other servers |
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| 22:14.56 | vagabund | but who read those fuckin mannuals? |
| 22:15.05 | mwilson | angelo: Uh, there is a reason why the dyndns site has cocumentation, you know. |
| 22:15.05 | pem3v78 | apt-cache search dyndns |
| 22:15.09 | eeyore- | jazzmanss: oh i see ... the author has to do some planning, too |
| 22:15.10 | mwilson | documentation, even |
| 22:15.32 | Guerin | vagabund: anyone who wants to not be a clueless imbecile their whole life? |
| 22:15.33 | pem3v78 | I used ez-ipupdate before and did like it |
| 22:15.36 | Guerin | just an idea. |
| 22:15.54 | eeyore- | jazzmanss: in the help it says "if the author ... enabled special usage rights, you can export the data ..." and another option is to pretend to submit email, leave address blank and click save-data-file, not immediately obvious |
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| 22:16.56 | thingfish | gnome 2.10 seems to mostly all be in etch now. |
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| 22:18.21 | stew | thingfish: which means the 2.12 transition starts |
| 22:19.09 | thingfish | stew: advances are a Good Thing. |
| 22:20.36 | thingfish | I mean, I guess they're supposed to be. |
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| 22:20.36 | stew | yup |
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| 22:20.37 | thingfish | it's a calorie-free thrill. |
| 22:20.46 | scx | Hey guys, there's a file in: /etc/ that sets the display in the login tty's |
| 22:20.56 | scx | you know: Wellcome to Debian |
| 22:21.09 | scx | there's no warranty... etc... |
| 22:21.13 | pem3v78 | angelo: http://www.dyndns.org/services/dns/dyndns/faq.html#q15 |
| 22:21.17 | colby | scx: motd? |
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| 22:21.19 | scx | do someone you remember which one is ? |
| 22:21.20 | m2 | scx: /etc/motd? |
| 22:21.26 | pem3v78 | and http://www.dyndns.org/support/clients/ :) |
| 22:21.27 | glm | scx /etc/issue |
| 22:21.28 | stew | scx: /etc/issue? |
| 22:21.30 | scx | ohhh Thanks |
| 22:21.38 | angelo | pem3v78 thnx |
| 22:21.44 | pem3v78 | remeber that point from faq |
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| 22:22.23 | nsilva | hi |
| 22:22.24 | scx | both |
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| 22:23.17 | scx | .. /etc/motd & /etc/issue |
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| 22:24.18 | Rahu- | is there any way for me to get gnome or kde working with debian? |
| 22:24.37 | angelo | pem3v78 the faq talks about updating .. but my script just checks and ONLY if the ip has changed then it updates |
| 22:24.59 | bomb | Rahu-: what do you think? |
| 22:25.16 | Rahu- | ? |
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| 22:25.17 | stew | Rahu-: /msg dpkg install kde ; /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 22:25.25 | Rahu- | k :) |
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| 22:26.46 | pem3v78 | the script is ok. but there will be times when the ip will change and the dns record won't be updated. you're host will be unreachable for that time |
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| 22:27.10 | pem3v78 | better use a known solution that people have tested |
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| 22:27.34 | angelo | pem3v78 yea thats right |
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| 22:27.44 | angelo | pem3v78 you know any ? |
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| 22:28.35 | pem3v78 | use a client pointed out by www.dyndns.org |
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| 22:29.37 | pem3v78 | it stays in memory and updates the record immediately as it discovers the ip changed (fast compared to say 30min) |
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| 22:30.08 | Viper168 | what kernel version is used by default in "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a "Sarge" - Official i386" |
| 22:30.18 | cheal | Viper168: 2.4.27 |
| 22:30.25 | Viper168 | thanks |
| 22:30.27 | vagabund | !beer |
| 22:30.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 22:31.01 | peterS | a mate made of liquid gold? |
| 22:31.02 | peterS | groovy |
| 22:31.34 | quad3datwork | how do i use apt-get install to install unstable tree? |
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| 22:31.57 | sgeigerbot | How does one unsplit regions in screen? How does one jump to the other region? |
| 22:31.57 | ryan` | dpkg: pinning |
| 22:31.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *nPin: release a=testingnPin-Priority: 900n\nPackage: *nPin: release o=DebiannPin-Priority: -10n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1 or http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 22:31.59 | angelo | pem3v78 ok ddclien is up and running |
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| 22:32.13 | ryan` | quad3datwork, look at that. |
| 22:32.18 | quad3datwork | thx |
| 22:32.24 | stew | sgeigerbot: ctrl-a tab ; ctrl-a Q |
| 22:32.25 | SpinDoc | hello, does Intel536ep pci modem work with Debian ? |
| 22:32.41 | stew | sgeigerbot: uhh, in the opposite order |
| 22:33.01 | stew | quad3datwork: you don't want to install unstable |
| 22:33.02 | cheal | !wayttd quad3datwork |
| 22:33.03 | sgeigerbot | stew: regions, not windows. A region is created by splitting a window. |
| 22:33.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, quad3datwork? |
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| 22:33.16 | ryan` | SpinDoc, check out linmodems.org |
| 22:33.16 | sgeigerbot | stew: no, you are rigtht. thanks |
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| 22:33.33 | sgeigerbot | stew: I even saw that in the man page. damn... |
| 22:33.34 | SpinDoc | oh ok ..thank you ryan-__ |
| 22:33.37 | quad3datwork | clamav stable free fails to build because of outdated clamav engine. libclamav is compalining |
| 22:33.38 | stew | heh |
| 22:34.15 | sgeigerbot | stew: hmm.. ctrl-a Q did something strange. |
| 22:34.44 | cheal | quad3datwork: what do you mean by "clamav stable free"? |
| 22:34.47 | kenboo | why 'udev' for etch requires a kernel >=2.6.12 which is not available as of yet? |
| 22:34.53 | quad3datwork | free/tree |
| 22:34.55 | cheal | kenboo: it's available |
| 22:35.03 | stew | sgeigerbot: it should run "only" |
| 22:35.14 | quad3datwork | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:35.14 | quad3datwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.14 | quad3datwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.14 | quad3datwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.14 | quad3datwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.15 | gravity | kenboo: Don't ask... it's not pretty. Just keep the old one and wait it out. |
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| 22:35.20 | cheal | !tell kenboo about 2.6.12 |
| 22:35.22 | ryan` | quad3datwork, use a third party package rather then the package for sid if possible. |
| 22:35.24 | Guerin | who the hell wrote that apt-pinning factoid |
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| 22:35.28 | stew | quad3datwork: it shouldn't be failing to build, just complaining |
| 22:35.34 | stew | quad3datwork: oh, you already mucked up your sources |
| 22:35.37 | sgeigerbot | stew: Now when I do "Ctrl-a k" to kill the blank "window" (for lack of a better name) that is on my screen, I get this message: kill: window required |
| 22:35.42 | stew | quad3datwork: look at volatile.debian.net |
| 22:35.44 | sgeigerbot | stew: What's up with that? |
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| 22:35.57 | peterS | kenboo: uh, 2.6.12 is available in etch |
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| 22:36.17 | stew | sgeigerbot: makes sense to me |
| 22:36.22 | sgeigerbot | stew: ok, I did C-a c and then C-a C-a and got back to my original window. |
| 22:36.27 | peterS | kenboo: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
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| 22:36.40 | Guerin | !dpkg, no, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. |
| 22:36.41 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 22:36.42 | sgeigerbot | stew: that was strange. oh well |
| 22:36.43 | cheal | quad3datwork: how do you get that output? |
| 22:36.58 | quad3datwork | when i did "apt-get install clamav-daemon" |
| 22:37.04 | kenboo | ok. somehow it's not listed even after apt-get update. |
| 22:37.05 | stew | quad3datwork: you really don't want to install testing/unstable packages on a stable system |
| 22:37.08 | kenboo | thanks anyway , guys. |
| 22:37.22 | stew | we really need a new bobbitt factiod, the flamethrower one sucks |
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| 22:37.45 | cheal | quad3datwork: what's your release |
| 22:37.47 | quad3datwork | stew, i read that page. i manually downloaded 4 deb package and ran into some dependency problems, again |
| 22:37.55 | Guerin | stew: the bobbitt factoid is as ever |
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| 22:38.07 | vagabund | bo sky.fm plays the b52s - love shack - |
| 22:38.08 | quad3datwork | Linux unef 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Thu Jan 20 10:55:08 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:38.20 | quad3datwork | it's not my box. i'm just fixing the email |
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| 22:38.28 | stew | quad3datwork: paste your sources.list into #flood or /msg dpkg paster (don't paste here) |
| 22:38.43 | thingfish | love shack is ok, not my favorite B-52's song. |
| 22:38.59 | Guerin | they have other songs? |
| 22:39.02 | cheal | quad3datwork: I meant your debian release, not your kernel version |
| 22:39.09 | quad3datwork | oh, sarge |
| 22:39.27 | abrotman | stew: i'm gonna paste here .. mmkay? |
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| 22:39.40 | bomb | quad3datwork: why would you manually download and install something that there is a stable package for? |
| 22:39.58 | quad3datwork | because stable failed to build from first place for some odd reason |
| 22:40.17 | Guerin | eh |
| 22:40.19 | cheal | quad3datwork: build? why are you trying to build it? |
| 22:40.21 | Guerin | !wayc quad3datwork |
| 22:40.22 | dpkg | quad3datwork: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 22:40.44 | quad3datwork | oh sorry, i meant apt-get |
| 22:40.54 | Guerin | why not? |
| 22:41.14 | kenboo | peterS, oops. since when the name changed?? i was looking for kernel-image package ;-) |
| 22:41.19 | cheal | quad3datwork: we'll have to know your apt-cache policy |
| 22:41.30 | cheal | kenboo: 2.6.12 |
| 22:41.32 | peterS | kenboo: right, a lot of people make that mistake. the kernel team has their reasons for the name change, but I forget what they are |
| 22:41.36 | kenboo | uh that's why |
| 22:41.37 | peterS | kenboo: the name change is as of 2.6.12 |
| 22:42.06 | cheal | for one thing, linux is not (absolutely) the only kernel you can use on debian |
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| 22:42.25 | quad3datwork | not sure how to parse source.list... gimme a sec |
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| 22:43.09 | nkuttler | peterS: because there will be other kernels available afaik |
| 22:43.27 | peterS | nkuttler: shrug, so those get other names. doesn't mean the linux one needs renamed |
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| 22:43.43 | quad3datwork | ok found it. hld on |
| 22:43.57 | peterS | nkuttler: and there won't be any chance of confusion on the kernel image names, because, for example, the freebsd port won't have 'kernel-image-2.6.11' available to install anyway |
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| 22:44.33 | quad3datwork | #deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 22:44.33 | quad3datwork | #deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 22:44.33 | quad3datwork | #deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 22:44.33 | quad3datwork | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
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| 22:44.53 | gravity | quad3datwork: Stop it |
| 22:44.56 | quad3datwork | #Pine/Pico packages |
| 22:44.58 | quad3datwork | deb http://src.braincells.com/debian woody/ |
| 22:45.00 | quad3datwork | deb-src http://src.braincells.com/debian woody/ |
| 22:45.04 | cheal | quad3datwork: please, don't do it a thrid time |
| 22:45.04 | gravity | quad3datwork: If you have to flood, do it in #flood or a pastebin |
| 22:45.07 | quad3datwork | sorry. i did the paster thing |
| 22:45.13 | gravity | quad3datwork: Don't do it again. |
| 22:45.13 | karsten | What's the Debian way to config exim4? |
| 22:45.15 | quad3datwork | i wont |
| 22:45.28 | cheal | !tell karsten about drec |
| 22:45.38 | drac | hmm.. |
| 22:45.49 | andreas__ | so I compiled a new kernel (2.6.12 with debian patches), but the new kernel is much slower and laggy compared to the original 2.6.8. Occationally the whole desktop locks up for half a second, and it's very annoying. Anyone know what's going on here? |
| 22:46.00 | scx | nice,... what about if I want /etc/motd tells me: Wellcome %user (or something alike) |
| 22:46.01 | cheal | quad3datwork: did you do an apt-get update recently? |
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| 22:46.17 | quad3datwork | yea, right before i tried to apt-get install clamav-daemon |
| 22:46.26 | bomb | i don't understand why you have testing commented out, and are now trying to use stable packages |
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| 22:46.34 | kadigibox | where do I paste multi line posts? |
| 22:46.41 | bomb | wtf are you running, sarge or etch? |
| 22:46.42 | kadigibox | dpkg is blocking me for some reason |
| 22:46.43 | peterS | !topicsmite kadigibox |
| 22:46.44 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon kadigibox. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:46.55 | cheal | quad3datwork: you'll have to show us the output of $ apt-cache policy clamav-daemon |
| 22:47.02 | me_here | wich package provides set-language-env ? |
| 22:47.04 | kadigibox | its not in the topic peterS |
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| 22:47.23 | nkuttler | me_here: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:47.24 | kadigibox | other then /msg dpkg paster and dpkg has me blocked |
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| 22:47.30 | peterS | !tell kadigibox -about paster |
| 22:47.30 | quad3datwork | ok, this time i'm pasting in #flood |
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| 22:47.39 | webfreak | anyone know what happened to marillat's mplayer repository? i'm getting a 550... |
| 22:47.41 | cheal | quad3datwork: I joined |
| 22:47.42 | karsten | cheal: Thanks, trying ... |
| 22:47.57 | cheal | webfreak: I believed somebody reported that yesterday. |
| 22:48.05 | kadigibox | dpkg is not giveing me anything usefull |
| 22:48.09 | webfreak | cheal: ah, i didn't notice :) |
| 22:48.18 | kadigibox | >dpkg< Your message was blocked as spam. If it is important, please wash out your mouth with soap and/or curb your enthusiasm to share URLs/e-mail addresses/channel names. Too many colors can also make the filter suspicious. |
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| 22:48.38 | cheal | quad3datwork: you already have a version greater than sarge's installed. apparently from volatile |
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| 22:48.45 | quad3datwork | hmm |
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| 22:49.10 | nkuttler | webfreak: 550? |
| 22:49.14 | karsten | kadigibox: Um. dpkg is the channel bot. It's trying to be helpful. If someone's abusing it talk to ops. |
| 22:49.17 | cheal | I was unaware that volatile was already effectively in operation |
| 22:49.20 | webfreak | nkuttler: "Cannot change directory" or something |
| 22:49.22 | nkuttler | webfreak: cvs? |
| 22:49.40 | quad3datwork | pretty sure i dpkg -r that |
| 22:49.42 | karsten | kadigibox: Ah.... |
| 22:49.48 | karsten | kadigibox: register your nick. |
| 22:49.57 | karsten | kadigibox: ... dpkg may be +E these days. |
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| 22:50.05 | karsten | dondelelcaro: See above WRT kadigibox. |
| 22:50.10 | webfreak | nkuttler: firefox, and apt |
| 22:50.19 | karsten | kadigibox: ... ignore my first comment, I'm catching clue slowly. |
| 22:50.22 | webfreak | nkuttler: apt just gives a 'no such file or directory' |
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| 22:50.39 | RiverRat | It wouldn't have responded if it was +E and kadigibox wasn't registered, karsten. |
| 22:50.40 | webfreak | and i just grabbed the correct source line from marillat's main page |
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| 22:50.58 | webfreak | not a big deal, i'll just wait until it's fixed |
| 22:50.59 | karsten | kadigibox: dondelelcaro is the bot admin, if he's around. |
| 22:51.05 | karsten | !seen dondelelcaro |
| 22:51.05 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is currently on #debian (7d 8h 21m 25s) #debian-women (7d 8h 21m 25s) #debian-ops (7d 8h 21m 25s) #debian-bots (7d 8h 21m 25s) #hug-bunny (7d 8h 21m 25s). Has said a total of 60513 messages. Is idling for 40m 49s |
| 22:51.19 | karsten | RiverRat: Point. |
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| 22:51.45 | vagabund | lol - karsten# |
| 22:52.30 | nkuttler | webfreak: what is the url? |
| 22:52.41 | webfreak | nkuttler: http://debian.udsu.ru/debian-soft/marillat/ |
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| 22:52.44 | quad3datwork | thx cheal, works now. |
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| 22:52.56 | quad3datwork | i need to shoot myself lol |
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| 22:53.06 | webfreak | nkuttler: that's the main page with links to the repository |
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| 22:54.24 | BlackEye | I have a duel boot system with two drives. Is there a linux tool that will allow me to create/write an image of the drive I have not mounted. |
| 22:54.30 | vagabund | !seen destiny |
| 22:54.31 | dpkg | destiny <n=lisa@229.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 26d 16h 45m 23s ago, saying: 'JimButton: you are as cute as a button, aren't you? :)'. |
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| 22:54.42 | BlackEye | or rather... not booted off of |
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| 22:55.01 | petemc | BlackEye: dd or cat can work to make an image of a cd |
| 22:55.02 | dondelelcaro | kadigibox: uh, your filter is doing that, not dpkg |
| 22:55.04 | bomb | BlackEye: dd? |
| 22:55.23 | BlackEye | It will work for a hard drive? |
| 22:55.25 | nkuttler | webfreak: maybe a missing symlink or something like that, ftp to the root and find what you need |
| 22:55.27 | petemc | yeah |
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| 22:55.38 | BlackEye | cool, thanks |
| 22:55.38 | petemc | ive cloned many a hard drive with dd |
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| 22:56.33 | petemc | BlackEye: use something like bs=10M or you'll be waiting for a long time |
| 22:56.40 | webfreak | nkuttler: good call, seems the stable/unstable/testing symlinks just aren't working |
| 22:56.40 | BlackEye | How hard is it to move the image to a different type of drive? |
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| 22:56.55 | BlackEye | petemc: thanks |
| 22:56.59 | webfreak | nkuttler: changed it to sid instead of unstable and it found it ;) |
| 22:57.00 | petemc | BlackEye: surprisingly similar process |
| 22:57.12 | Unununium | I'm contemplating installing Debian on seventeen SunBlade 1500's for a cluster. |
| 22:57.18 | Unununium | Are there any gotchas I should be aware of? |
| 22:57.41 | glm | Unununium: running blender on your cluster? |
| 22:57.43 | webfreak | Unununium: yes, you must send me all the Sun's first. |
| 22:57.43 | nkuttler | webfreak: while you are at it, inform him about the issue |
| 22:57.55 | webfreak | nkuttler: sure |
| 22:58.01 | Unununium | It's a school assignment, actually, except I'm not told to use Debian :^) |
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| 22:58.10 | webfreak | Unununium: (that was a joke) |
| 22:58.14 | Rahu- | alright, I just installed gnome, how would i get it to run? |
| 22:58.23 | jjazz | Rahu-: apt-get install gdm |
| 22:58.28 | Rahu- | k |
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| 22:59.02 | Unununium | I find that it's really, really difficult to strip down Solaris (8, 9, 10) to the point I need it, then doing this seventeen times is unconscionable |
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| 22:59.17 | RiverRat | FYI: /ban *!*@d83-179-22-255.cust.tele2.fr!##evilchristel <-- will send that spam bot to a channel to get killed permanently. |
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| 22:59.53 | AlienX | is there any reason there is no file named 'config' in ~/.wine/ ? |
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| 23:00.45 | jjazz | AlienX: I'm guessing because you haven't created it yet, so when you run wine it's defaulting to a system-wide config file, perhaps in /etc somewhere |
| 23:00.52 | nkuttler | AlienX: there's some tool to create it, wineconfig or winesetup or something like that |
| 23:01.15 | AlienX | jjazz, and nkuttler thanks, i'll check that out |
| 23:01.26 | webfreak | nkuttler: i notified him |
| 23:01.45 | sweetbret | the driver for my wireless card says it is for Linux kernel 2.4.20 (gcc version 3.2.2), does that mean i need to have at least kernel 2.4.20 AND at least gcc 3.2.2, or does it just mean i need to have at least gcc 3.2.2 |
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| 23:02.34 | bomb | sweetbret: i'm guessing you need exactly what it asks for, but hey, i'm an idiot. |
| 23:02.36 | nkuttler | sweetbret: sounds like your 2.4.20 kernel needs to be compiled with gcc 3.2.2 to me |
| 23:02.36 | Blissex | sweetbret: if it is binary it means you need to have _exactly_ those versions. No more no less. |
| 23:02.38 | rabbitear | j ##slackware |
| 23:02.59 | sweetbret | damn realtek |
| 23:03.06 | sweetbret | damn them to hell |
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| 23:03.44 | sorcre | Can anyone point me to a tutorial for mountain a windows partition on Debian? I mounted it, but it could only read from it. |
| 23:03.59 | nkuttler | sorcre: ntfs? |
| 23:04.04 | eeyore- | sweetbret: no source? |
| 23:04.11 | bomb | sweetbret: what is so hard about installing a newer kernel? |
| 23:04.17 | mith | MONTAIN |
| 23:04.21 | mith | MOUNTAIN |
| 23:04.33 | sorcre | The partition is NTFS |
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| 23:04.53 | petemc | sorcre: add the option umask=022 |
| 23:05.00 | nkuttler | sorcre: there is no real rw support for ntfs |
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| 23:05.05 | sweetbret | trying to install this linksys wpc11 v4 card in my p1 133mhz toshiba laptop |
| 23:05.09 | bomb | uhm i didn't know you could write to ntfs |
| 23:05.15 | Unununium | Is there some kind of hybrid between netboot and NFS root where the local disk is used as a cache persistent between reboots? |
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| 23:05.17 | petemc | you cant |
| 23:05.20 | bomb | unless you use captive-ntfs or something |
| 23:05.22 | sweetbret | i got debian 3.0 woody to install fine with the 2.2.20-compact kernel |
| 23:05.25 | Unununium | bomb: you can but in very special circumstances |
| 23:05.26 | webfreak | you can, it's just dangerous |
| 23:05.30 | abrotman | you did what? |
| 23:05.32 | sorcre | Hmmm, I'll try it. Thanks. |
| 23:05.50 | petemc | sorcre: that will still be read only, but any user can read it, its as good as it gets |
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| 23:05.55 | nkuttler | sweetbret: /msg dpkg realtek, did you try those drivers? |
| 23:05.59 | Unununium | I mean, hybrid between netboot/NFS and local installation |
| 23:06.12 | sweetbret | i've tried to compile 2.4.27 i'd say atleast 5 times, and tried 2.6.11 once, both kernels give me Kernel Aiee! when i tr to do stuff |
| 23:06.17 | sorcre | Dang... Well thanks. |
| 23:06.19 | RiverRat | nkuttler: The experimental label was taken off the ntfs in the latest kernel. |
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| 23:06.45 | sweetbret | no, i tried searching teh debian packages online for realtek and found nothing, so i didn't know there was any |
| 23:06.47 | Unununium | The reason I ask is, the professor seems to be a little bit paranoid about bandwidth utilization |
| 23:06.49 | nkuttler | RiverRat: wow! i never thought i'd see that day |
| 23:06.57 | jazzmanss | I have more vncserver questions. according to the documentation, the wm that is started is specified in ~.vnc/xstartup, but I do not have this script. I don't know the correct syntax to write this script, and the documentation has no examples of this that I can find. suggestions? |
| 23:06.58 | RiverRat | neither did I |
| 23:06.59 | petemc | RiverRat: and have they extended the functionality to a useful point? |
| 23:07.00 | abrotman | RiverRat: oh .. the lack of the label makes me feel better :) |
| 23:07.06 | sweetbret | i need the rtl8180 drivers |
| 23:07.18 | myren | wow, this security thing on aptitude really aint so great |
| 23:07.24 | RiverRat | I don't know. I just noticed the experimental label went away. |
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| 23:07.41 | abrotman | petemc: you mean .. writable ? :) |
| 23:08.05 | sweetbret | at any rate, it takes my laptop countless hours to compile a new kernel, and i'm getting sick of trying, yet i still want to get this wireless card to work |
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| 23:08.09 | petemc | abrotman: i mean being able to do more than alter files that have to remain the same size |
| 23:08.19 | abrotman | hehe .. exactly |
| 23:08.22 | BlackEye | petemc: Do you have any idea how big my compressed image will end up being? It is a 40gig drive with 5 gigs used. Anything I can do to save space? |
| 23:08.50 | nkuttler | sweetbret: google laptop name + kernel config, make menuconfig and add the module for your nic, and /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:08.57 | Unununium | Perhaps I should be in another channel. Suggestions? |
| 23:09.01 | RiverRat | BlackEye: Zero the unused 35 gigs on the drive will make it compress better. |
| 23:09.07 | petemc | BlackEye: you would be far better to use a tool designed for that task, partimage i think could do it, lots of others i cant think of just now too |
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| 23:09.58 | petemc | BlackEye: dd is failry low level, when i use it its just a simple clone of one disk to another disk of the same size |
| 23:10.06 | petemc | s/fail/fair/ |
| 23:10.25 | BlackEye | petemc: I have PowerQuest, which works pretty well, I was just wondering if there was a linux tool becuase it would be a hellava lot more convenient. |
| 23:10.37 | Lysaer | Hello all - I have a strange issue with my install when trying to do a simple 'df -h .'. df is reporting that I have negative disk space available. What could the cause of this be? |
| 23:11.28 | petemc | BlackEye: thats the people that make partition magic etc? id have thought that would be fairly convenient |
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| 23:11.34 | mwilson | That you have negative space available? |
| 23:11.35 | Lysaer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.54 | bomb | whoa |
| 23:11.58 | bomb | that's bizarra |
| 23:12.06 | RiverRat | Lysaer: indoe size != block size? |
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| 23:12.14 | bomb | s/bizarra/bizzare/ |
| 23:12.18 | bras | ... |
| 23:12.29 | dli | anything works better than powernowd? |
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| 23:12.55 | Lysaer | RiverRat: Not entirey sure - never seen anything like this before and sadly my expertees are not in hardware configuration! |
| 23:13.04 | RiverRat | Is there anyone in here banning spam-bots? |
| 23:13.11 | nkuttler | RiverRat: /topic |
| 23:13.20 | dondelelcaro | RiverRat: it's entirely pointless to do so. |
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| 23:13.37 | UdontKnow | RiverRat: staff is |
| 23:13.47 | RiverRat | Lysaer: I think df expects 1k block sizes and you might have formatted the drive with 512byte blocks. |
| 23:13.49 | dondelelcaro | well, staff hopefully is klining them... ;-) |
| 23:13.59 | UdontKnow | dondelelcaro: :) |
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| 23:14.26 | UdontKnow | RiverRat: np :) |
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| 23:15.13 | Lysaer | RiverRat: Stupid qustion - how would I find out what the block size is? |
| 23:15.20 | RiverRat | dondelelcaro: You could forward them to the ##evilchristel channel and they'll get killed pretty fast. |
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| 23:15.46 | UdontKnow | RiverRat: thats a bit of overkill |
| 23:15.53 | dondelelcaro | ban forwards to autokline channels are kind of verbotten |
| 23:15.53 | UdontKnow | RiverRat: too much work for channel staff |
| 23:16.01 | UdontKnow | dondelelcaro: its not autokline |
| 23:16.10 | dondelelcaro | UdontKnow: ah; never been in there myself |
| 23:16.15 | UdontKnow | dondelelcaro: we have a spam detection drone there |
| 23:16.21 | RiverRat | I'll shut up about the bots then. |
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| 23:16.28 | UdontKnow | dondelelcaro: but dont worry about it :) |
| 23:16.34 | dondelelcaro | UdontKnow: why not have it join multiple channels? |
| 23:16.36 | dli | can I get cpu clock ondemand without using powernowd? |
| 23:16.39 | mfrisch | is there a linux app to crack MS outlook archive files?? |
| 23:16.43 | UdontKnow | dondelelcaro: we're working on a tool |
| 23:16.57 | UdontKnow | dondelelcaro: lilo's been coding all day, and for a few days now |
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| 23:18.20 | RiverRat | Lysaer: There is but I don't remember what it is called. fdisk will give a hint (Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes <-- the *512) but I'm not sure if it is at all related to the filesystem's block size. |
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| 23:20.13 | Gathond | RiverRat: its not related to the filesystems block size in general (except it normally being a multiply of it) |
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| 23:23.30 | CrocoJet | is possible make install one packet .rpm in debian ? |
| 23:23.41 | abrotman | !alien |
| 23:23.42 | dpkg | it has been said that alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 23:23.49 | CrocoJet | gproftpd-8.2.2-0.1.rhfc3.nr.i386.rpm RH and Fedora 1,2,3 (Magnus-swe) |
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| 23:24.21 | CrocoJet | do you think that will work ? |
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| 23:25.07 | abrotman | nfc |
| 23:25.26 | CrocoJet | I was trying compile but getting that message |
| 23:25.30 | CrocoJet | "gproftpd-8.2.2-0.1.rhfc3.nr.i386.rpm RH and Fedora 1,2,3 (Magnus-swe) ..." |
| 23:25.33 | CrocoJet | ops |
| 23:25.39 | CrocoJet | checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 1.3.13... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found |
| 23:26.03 | CrocoJet | where I can find via apt-get "gtk+-2.0" |
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| 23:26.21 | Guerin | CrocoJet: apt-cache search gtk+ |grep 2 |
| 23:26.33 | CrocoJet | let me try |
| 23:26.45 | Guerin | CrocoJet: you needn't ask permission |
| 23:26.51 | abrotman | wtf is gproftpd ? |
| 23:26.53 | tren | CrocoJet: install -dev package |
| 23:27.20 | Guerin | abrotman: sounds like a gui for proftpd |
| 23:27.21 | CrocoJet | sorry .. can you explain more details ? |
| 23:27.27 | abrotman | Guerin: that sounds silly |
| 23:27.29 | CrocoJet | yes abrotman |
| 23:27.38 | Guerin | CrocoJet: gui ftpds are Wrong and Bad |
| 23:27.39 | relbs | curious... why is it that there hasn't been a 2.6.12 or 2.6.13 kernel-image package? are there plans to not release them? or is it just that they're not ready yet? |
| 23:27.52 | Guerin | relbs: now called linux-image |
| 23:28.20 | abrotman | relbs: in what? sid ? |
| 23:28.22 | CrocoJet | http://mange.dynup.net/linux.html |
| 23:28.26 | relbs | oh, wow, i've been out of the loop |
| 23:28.27 | CrocoJet | sounds good gui |
| 23:28.46 | CrocoJet | why everyone is against .. graphical interface in lunux ? |
| 23:28.50 | relbs | abrotman: yup, but guerin has just pointed me in the right direction |
| 23:28.51 | CrocoJet | linux |
| 23:28.57 | cheal | relbs: 2.6.13 needs quite a few d-i work to be debianized. 2.6.12 is in etch/sid |
| 23:29.02 | abrotman | relbs: yep he did |
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| 23:29.13 | relbs | was this a political thing? |
| 23:29.16 | cheal | CrocoJet: GUIs don't belong in a kernel |
| 23:29.17 | relbs | the renaming.. |
| 23:29.25 | CrocoJet | I think that is very good idea proftpd |
| 23:29.38 | CrocoJet | setup in texr mode is big shit for newbie |
| 23:29.45 | CrocoJet | texr = text |
| 23:30.01 | Guerin | CrocoJet: because it foold people into thinking that system administration is easy, when it's not; and because any application of sufficient complexity to be useful can't be fully controlled by a gui, and because guis make it very, very easy for you to break things horribly and irreparably. |
| 23:30.13 | Guerin | CrocoJet: newbies shouldn't be running ftp servers. |
| 23:30.18 | CrocoJet | ahahh ahaha |
| 23:30.20 | Guerin | CrocoJet: much less mail, dns or web servers |
| 23:30.27 | CrocoJet | really ? |
| 23:30.32 | Guerin | yes, really |
| 23:30.35 | CrocoJet | i am democract !! |
| 23:30.43 | CrocoJet | sounds republican .. from you |
| 23:30.45 | Guerin | i'm not sure what one of those is |
| 23:30.47 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:31.06 | Blissex | Guerin: I agree, but tell that to most managers in the IT industry ;-) |
| 23:31.13 | Guerin | believing that you need to understand what you're doing before you do it is republican? I'd say the opposite. |
| 23:31.17 | CrocoJet | i am not manager IT , man |
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| 23:31.32 | CrocoJet | i want simple ftp server |
| 23:31.41 | CrocoJet | sharing one unique folder |
| 23:31.47 | CrocoJet | not all my system |
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| 23:31.55 | Guerin | CrocoJet: use vsftpd. option=KEY is very simple, and that's all the config file is |
| 23:32.13 | Guerin | a gui would be superfluous |
| 23:32.14 | CrocoJet | no thanks .. |
| 23:32.19 | CrocoJet | i want Gui |
| 23:32.20 | CrocoJet | lol |
| 23:32.26 | mith | the use IIS |
| 23:32.29 | mith | and shut up |
| 23:32.31 | CrocoJet | need someone to give some Help |
| 23:32.37 | plb | anyone on unstable able to use gkrellm? |
| 23:32.42 | deadcat | no |
| 23:32.56 | CrocoJet | ridiculus .. mith |
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| 23:33.45 | CrocoJet | so nice gui .. http://mange.dynup.net/linux.html#Screenshots |
| 23:33.59 | Guerin | CrocoJet: see, now you have the issue of trying to do something Advanced - that is, compile software that's not in debian - to do something of Moderate difficulty - set up a ftpd. Just cut right to the chase and spen the energy you're using on trying to build this shote on learning how to set up the ftpd and be done with it. |
| 23:34.16 | CrocoJet | lets make prestigie that author ... good service |
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| 23:34.34 | CrocoJet | advanced .. compile a program, do you believe that ? |
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| 23:34.52 | HAMM3R | I just finished installing Debain Sarge (3.1). It wasnt able to start the x-server, and recommened i reconfigure it. I looked at the report, and it says it couldnt locate a mouse at /dev/psaux. I have a PS2 mouse, but its on on USB adapter, so its plugged into the USB port. Any ideas? |
| 23:34.53 | Guerin | CrocoJet: well, you're unable to even get it CONFIGURED. |
| 23:35.04 | Guerin | CrocoJet: and who knows if it'll actually build? |
| 23:35.05 | CrocoJet | http://mange.dynup.net/linux.html#Screenshots (check please) |
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| 23:35.48 | michael | Silly question: how can I make applications startup when I startx? I want xterm to be open when I login to X. |
| 23:36.03 | Guerin | michael: man xsession |
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| 23:36.17 | michael | Guerin: I've man-ed that one and it didn't help at all. |
| 23:36.23 | tren | HAMM3R: try /dev/input/mice |
| 23:36.37 | HAMM3R | how do I run the x-server config again? |
| 23:36.55 | tren | HAMM3R: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:36.59 | abrotman | !drxx HAMM3R |
| 23:37.00 | dpkg | HAMM3R: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:37.04 | abrotman | tren: not if it's xorg |
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| 23:37.19 | tren | abrotman: he's just installed 3.1 |
| 23:37.23 | Guerin | michael: then you didn't read it. |
| 23:37.25 | abrotman | see .. i don't keep up |
| 23:37.26 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:37.29 | viper | I installed wu-ftpd .. but how come users can`t write in their own home dir ??? |
| 23:37.58 | Guerin | michael: really... xsession is a shell script which is executed as part of the startx routine. Put shit in there you want to run. |
| 23:38.00 | abrotman | i thought wu-ftpd was banned from the internet ... |
| 23:38.13 | Guerin | viper: because you didn't set it up to allow them to. |
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| 23:38.36 | viper | Guerin how do I do that ?? cuz the dir has the right permissions |
| 23:38.42 | Guerin | viper: i don |
| 23:38.44 | viper | and the user is owner of the dir |
| 23:38.48 | michael | Guerin: I tried it and it didn't work. I know it sounds silly but I can't get it to work. I've simply added 'xterm' in .Xsession and after 'startx' no xterm was open. |
| 23:38.54 | abrotman | viper: check the config file in /etc/ |
| 23:38.54 | Guerin | 't know. it's trivial to fo in vsftpd, which is what i use |
| 23:39.12 | paul1 | michael: I believe you need to chmod +x .xsession |
| 23:39.18 | tren | abrotman: where can I find help or list of dpkg(bot) commands? |
| 23:39.19 | Guerin | michael: is there a .xinitrc file? |
| 23:39.19 | abrotman | viper: proftpd and vsftpd are "better" .. of course .. you should really be using scp |
| 23:39.28 | abrotman | tren: /msg dpkg help |
| 23:39.32 | Guerin | tren: you can't, there are 25,000 of them |
| 23:39.36 | michael | Guerin: there is no .xinitrc in my home dir. |
| 23:39.37 | abrotman | !stats |
| 23:39.37 | dpkg | Since Mon Sep 5 23:55:38 2005, there have been 103 modifications, 4556 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1464 commands. I have been awake for 8d 23h 43m 59s this session, and currently reference 26287 factoids. I'm using about 17744 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1851.82/93.48 child 1955.25/145.19 |
| 23:39.41 | tren | Guerin: :) |
| 23:39.46 | zerve_the_death | michael:and also xterm& |
| 23:39.47 | abrotman | Guerin: more than 25k! |
| 23:39.48 | michael | paul1: I'll try that... |
| 23:40.11 | miag | michael: use aptitude, check the all of x11 packages.. |
| 23:40.12 | viper | abrotman I had proftpd but it had the same problem .. already checked the .conf .. what setting should I be looking for (with proftpd .. Ill install it now) |
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| 23:40.14 | michael | zerve_the_death: yes, that's what I tried. |
| 23:40.17 | Guerin | michael: how does startx know which windowmanager to use if it's not in .xsession? |
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| 23:40.33 | abrotman | viper: uhm .. then you've done something wrong .. every time i've used it .. automagically worked |
| 23:40.45 | Guerin | viper: aptitude install proftpd-doc |
| 23:40.51 | zerve_the_death | michael:try exec xterm& |
| 23:41.00 | michael | zerve_the_death: ahhhh... |
| 23:41.04 | Guerin | zerve_the_death: exec and & make a tautology |
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| 23:41.35 | peterS | I don't think you can use both. I wonder what the shell does if you try |
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| 23:41.37 | HAMM3R | (tren): dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xfree86 returned: dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove |
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| 23:41.44 | michael | zerve_the_death: how do I terminate a line in .xinitrc? I need to put exec blackbox; exec xterm etc... |
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| 23:41.56 | Thanatermesis | xorg in testing not have the composite features ? |
| 23:42.06 | Guerin | michael: the final line should be exec yourwindowmanager |
| 23:42.06 | zerve_the_death | in .xinirc |
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| 23:42.13 | Guerin | michael: the xterm should come before it |
| 23:42.15 | tren | HAMM3R: read again my message, and the bot's one |
| 23:42.20 | paul1 | HAMM3R: no space dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:42.27 | AP03 | how does one acquire kde? apt-get install kde says unmet deps |
| 23:42.29 | viper | abrotman so you suggest its a permissions case then ?? the home dir is 755 ?? thats ok right ? |
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| 23:42.30 | Guerin | this is all documented in man xsession |
| 23:42.39 | Guerin | abrotman: what branch of debian? |
| 23:42.43 | Guerin | AP03: ^ |
| 23:42.45 | michael | Guerin: I tried it and it didn't work. |
| 23:42.47 | zerve_the_death | michael: before the line /usr/bin |
| 23:43.05 | AP03 | Guerin: testing |
| 23:43.07 | abrotman | viper: seems right to me |
| 23:43.16 | Guerin | michael: put your damn xsession on a pastebin so we can stop guessing |
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| 23:43.24 | Guerin | AP03: try kde-core |
| 23:43.26 | viper | abrotman what then could it be ? |
| 23:43.44 | abrotman | viper: umask broken ? |
| 23:43.49 | abrotman | viper: client broken |
| 23:43.55 | michael | zerve_the_death: like this(?) exec xterm& <new line> xterm& <new line> xterm& |
| 23:43.55 | abrotman | viper: config broken |
| 23:43.56 | AP03 | Guerin: again unmet dpets, needs kdebase and kdelibs - do those first? |
| 23:44.01 | abrotman | viper: pebkac |
| 23:44.08 | zerve_the_death | ? |
| 23:44.13 | Guerin | AP03: it might just be broken. Check BTS. |
| 23:44.19 | AP03 | Guerin: whats bts? |
| 23:44.24 | Guerin | AP03: also ask #debian-kde |
| 23:44.30 | zerve_the_death | michael: exec xterm |
| 23:44.32 | Guerin | AP03: /topic |
| 23:44.33 | tren | AP03: just wait, this is because gcc-3.3 -> gcc-4.0 |
| 23:44.35 | zerve_the_death | & |
| 23:44.50 | viper | abrotman umask broken ? whats umask exacly ? |
| 23:45.02 | abrotman | !umask |
| 23:45.02 | dpkg | [umask] 'man 2 umask', or there is no manpage for umask |
| 23:45.08 | michael | zerve_the_death: I'm trying to put these commands in .xinitrc. I have "exec blackbox& <line break> exect xterm&" This starts blackbox but no xterm is opened. |
| 23:45.23 | peterS | michael: do not use exec. do not ever use exec. use exec only if you know what it does. |
| 23:45.24 | Guerin | michael: the windowmanager should be THE LAST LINE |
| 23:45.28 | Guerin | as i told you earlier |
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| 23:45.36 | zerve_the_death | michael: no |
| 23:45.39 | abrotman | peterS: use nohup! |
| 23:45.42 | michael | peterS: I know what it does. |
| 23:45.42 | peterS | michael: you manifestly don't, so don't |
| 23:45.50 | peterS | michael: if you knew what it did, you wouldn't be using it the way you are |
| 23:45.52 | tren | michael: you do not know |
| 23:45.54 | zerve_the_death | michael: try exec xterm and the blackbox |
| 23:45.59 | paul1 | michael: like this "xterm & \n blackbox" |
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| 23:46.04 | Guerin | zerve_the_death: please just shut the fuck up |
| 23:46.11 | peterS | zerve_the_death: do not use exec. do not ever use exec. |
| 23:46.27 | michael | peterS: its right in the blackbox how-to dude. |
| 23:46.34 | michael | peterS: want URL? |
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| 23:46.46 | peterS | michael: yes I do. if they actually said what you did I shall laugh heartily. |
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| 23:46.50 | Guerin | michael: delete your entire xsession file and do the following: |
| 23:47.03 | michael | Guerin: I'm listening... :) |
| 23:47.12 | michael | peterS: one sec... I'll get the URL for ya. |
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| 23:47.53 | mith | um, using exec on the last thing started from xinitrc is perfectly valid? why are you saying not to do it? that'll prevent the sh process loaded from hanging around while the x session is loaded |
| 23:48.01 | Guerin | michael: echo -e "xterm \n blackbox \n" > ~/.xsession && chmod +x .xsession && startx |
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| 23:48.17 | Guerin | exec ON THE LAST LINE is ok |
| 23:48.20 | peterS | Guerin: you mean xterm & blackbox. you want xterm to run in the background |
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| 23:48.22 | plb | hrm wonder if gkrellm works in testing |
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| 23:48.26 | Guerin | but you WERE NOT USING IT on the last line |
| 23:48.36 | Guerin | peterS: bah, yes |
| 23:48.37 | mith | i wasn't using it at all |
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| 23:49.09 | abrotman | yo lie! |
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| 23:49.42 | mith | oh, I didn't see all that retardedness |
| 23:49.48 | Guerin | i'm going TO work; doesn't mean i'm going to DO work |
| 23:49.50 | boneski | anyone have an idea why xterms won't let me enter anything after moving to udev? |
| 23:49.53 | michael | peterS: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxDocumentation/InstallingBlackbox |
| 23:49.59 | encrypt | ive got php4-mysql uninstalled apparently from unknown reason.. im trying to reinstall php4-mysql, it says it is installed, but it doesnt recognize mysql_connect(); - - - any idea? |
| 23:50.01 | mith | it looks like some people in here need unix books |
| 23:50.04 | mith | michael: namely you |
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| 23:50.26 | mith | zerve_the_death: you too |
| 23:50.38 | peterS | michael: I don't see anything there even close to what you did |
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| 23:51.10 | tren | encrypt: check extention line in the php.ini |
| 23:51.16 | encrypt | thanks |
| 23:51.20 | peterS | michael: anyway, what I said earlier applies. do not ever use exec until you know what it does. and even then you rarely actually need it |
| 23:51.39 | HAMM3R | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 returned: dpkg-reconfigure: no such command |
| 23:51.43 | michael | peterS: look more carefuly. What can I say? Its right there under 2.1 and other numerious palces. |
| 23:51.48 | mith | bah, I wrote 5 different scripts today that needed exec |
| 23:51.56 | peterS | HAMM3R: you probably misspelled it. it exists. also, you have to run this as root |
| 23:52.06 | HAMM3R | ah well thats why, ill try that |
| 23:52.07 | mith | you use it all the time :P |
| 23:52.09 | tren | encrypt: % grep '^exte.*mysql' /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
| 23:52.14 | peterS | michael: all it says there is the single line 'exec blackbox' |
| 23:52.16 | tren | encrypt: extension=mysql.so |
| 23:52.16 | peterS | michael: nothing about xterms |
| 23:52.17 | plb | anyone want to help me out and try to figure out why gkrellm won't open on unstable and outputs no error messages in console or logs anywhere! |
| 23:52.35 | mith | plb: gdb and strace would love to assist you |
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| 23:53.01 | michael | peterS: good. |
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| 23:53.12 | michael | Guerin: It works. |
| 23:53.19 | michael | Guerin: thanks for your help. |
| 23:53.20 | plb | a mith thanks forgot all about strace |
| 23:53.22 | encrypt | thanks tren |
| 23:53.25 | vagabund | in germany its 1:54 and there are war on the street - so look them in the eyes - and alive - |
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| 23:53.57 | dafen | it seems that kernel 2.6.8 has been staying a bit long in testing release |
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| 23:54.13 | peterS | dafen: shrug, upgrade to 2.6.12 if you want, it's in testing too |
| 23:54.15 | dafen | wonder when will newer kernel be re leased |
| 23:54.19 | dafen | really? |
| 23:54.33 | dafen | apt-cache search kernel-source shows no trace... |
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| 23:54.50 | tren | dafen: apt-cache search 2.6.12 ;) |
| 23:54.53 | peterS | dafen: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 23:55.07 | dafen | oh .... |
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| 23:55.13 | peterS | yes, it's got a shiny new name |
| 23:55.15 | dafen | it changes name to linux-source... |
| 23:55.16 | cheal | !tell dafen about 2.6.12 |
| 23:55.19 | boneski | is there a /dev device associated with xterms? |
| 23:55.21 | dafen | dude!!!!! |
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| 23:55.34 | dafen | you guys should tell me about the changing name before! |
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| 23:55.35 | peterS | boneski: /dev/ptmx, /dev/pts/*? |
| 23:55.39 | dafen | I've been waiting for 3 months! |
| 23:55.40 | peterS | boneski: or is that not what you meant |
| 23:55.41 | dafen | lol |
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| 23:56.11 | plb | oh crap i feel stupid |
| 23:56.15 | MrBallZ | question: I had mplayer installed for some reason I was using kafeine as my main media player , but now that I want to change to use mplayer, when I click on a video file mplayer comes up, but not gmplayer, or how can I configure it so gmplayer ( gui + mplayer ) comes always as the default |
| 23:56.17 | plb | firewall was blocking gkrellm |
| 23:56.19 | plb | fsck |
| 23:56.27 | Unununium | I'm back. :^) Booting Debian 3.1 SPARC (burned CD-R) on the SunBlade 1500 results in clock_probe: Cannot find timer chip |
| 23:56.34 | boneski | peterS, not sure. since moving to udev I haven't been able to use an xterm |
| 23:56.38 | cheal | MrBallZ: ask #mplayerhq |
| 23:56.52 | peterS | boneski: it requires /dev/pts to be mounted, make sure udev is allowing this to happen |
| 23:57.04 | peterS | boneski: and /dev/ptmx must exist, that's related to /dev/pts/ |
| 23:57.10 | boneski | peterS, thanks, it was perms in pt* |
| 23:57.30 | cheal | MrBallZ: in which context does that happen? some particular DE% |
| 23:57.38 | cheal | MrBallZ: DE? |
| 23:57.51 | mith | plb: don't you hate when that shit happens. |
| 23:58.09 | Unununium | Should I be in another channel for SPARC issues? |
| 23:58.20 | peterS | Unununium: #debian-sparc exists but is not very active |
| 23:58.36 | peterS | try asking your question here, maybe someone will know anyway |
| 23:58.56 | abrotman | Unununium: it's really the sarge 3.1r0a installer ? |
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| 23:59.09 | Unununium | The kernel it uses, at least |
| 23:59.35 | Unununium | debian-31r0a-sparc-netinst.iso |
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| 23:59.45 | abrotman | Unununium: you're probably going to have to ask #debian-boot or #debian-sparc |
| 23:59.53 | mith | is there going to be a maintenance release of the installer for sarge? it has some weird issues with 2.6 and some random hardware we use too :P |
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| 23:59.56 | peterS | Unununium: this isn't sparc-specific: make sure you've tried booting a 2.4 and a 2.6 kernel - the netinst image comes with both |
| 23:59.58 | abrotman | Unununium: i know there are issues with sparc on the daily . but you're not using that |
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