| 00:00.07 | Unununium | peterS: I thought it only had "linux" and "rescue" |
| 00:00.16 | Unununium | According to SILO |
| 00:00.25 | mith | Unununium: should be a linux26 |
| 00:00.26 | peterS | Unununium: for most architectures there is also 'linux26'. I guess I haven't checked the sparc image lately |
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| 00:00.43 | Unununium | Hold on; let me walk over to the machine |
| 00:00.53 | mith | but, um, I've not installed debian on a sparc since potato, so I'm not going to be much help |
| 00:01.05 | Unununium | 2.4.27 |
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| 00:01.24 | peterS | Unununium: but 2.6.8 is not an option? I could've sworn.... |
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| 00:02.08 | peterS | ok who thinks I should go to a concert of Indian percussion instruments tonight? |
| 00:02.10 | abrotman | it should be on sparc |
| 00:02.17 | HAMM3R | Thanks guys, it's working. |
| 00:02.21 | abrotman | peterS: hot girl involved? |
| 00:02.25 | Guerin | peterS: will you have drugs? |
| 00:02.27 | peterS | well not just percussion, some dude plays a bamboo flute like thing too |
| 00:02.32 | Unununium | peterS: no, only linux and rescue, both of which are 2.4.27 |
| 00:02.35 | peterS | abrotman, Guerin: no |
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| 00:02.42 | Guerin | might be fun anyway |
| 00:02.47 | abrotman | peterS: free beer? |
| 00:02.52 | mith | peterS: will there be drugs? |
| 00:02.52 | peterS | abrotman: sorry, no |
| 00:02.57 | mith | oh, sorry, already asked |
| 00:03.01 | Guerin | get out of kansas for a few hours :) |
| 00:03.09 | peterS | heh |
| 00:03.12 | abrotman | peterS: ok . no drugs/hotgirls/beer? ... just a guy with drums and flute? |
| 00:03.27 | peterS | abrotman: well, three guys. one plays some clay pot instrument, apparently |
| 00:03.36 | mith | ya um, no drugs/girls/alcohol, that would a resounding 'no' on whether or not you should attend |
| 00:03.37 | peterS | and no, *that* kind of pot won't be around |
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| 00:04.03 | abrotman | peterS: have you considered taking up crocheting? .. it could really raise your blood pressure! |
| 00:04.16 | peterS | abrotman: dude. that would be pretty exciting. |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:04.40 | abrotman | peterS: i've been to hayes kansas .. it's boring :) |
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| 00:04.56 | peterS | abrotman: hays is way out in western kansas. at least wichita is a wee bit metropolitan |
| 00:05.04 | peterS | abrotman: western kansas is almost as boring as eastern colorado |
| 00:05.26 | Rahu- | i need help changing the resolution in gnome, the max i can choose in the select thingy is 800x600, but I know the monitor can support 1024x768 |
| 00:05.34 | Guerin | !drxx Rahu- |
| 00:05.35 | dpkg | Rahu-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:05.39 | abrotman | peterS: apparently wichita isn't that exciting either :) |
| 00:06.11 | Unununium | Any ideas regarding the Debian install? Can I work around this? Is it fixable, or already fixed? |
| 00:06.11 | peterS | abrotman: these guys are apparently world class. indian music doesn't thrill me as a rule but one has to hear it to know whether one can appreciate it |
| 00:07.02 | billions | Hey guys. Anyone have enough time/patience to help me mount my usb flash drive? |
| 00:07.05 | abrotman | peterS: will they have any pipes of pan thingies .. those things are awesome! |
| 00:07.15 | abrotman | peterS: didn't they start at 8pm? |
| 00:07.17 | peterS | abrotman: afaik, no. but who knows |
| 00:07.26 | peterS | abrotman: they start at 7:30 my time, which is what you think of as 8:30 |
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| 00:07.44 | peterS | so I still have 20 minutes to get there. it takes me about 17. |
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| 00:08.16 | Guerin | peterS: good show! |
| 00:08.24 | peterS | I'll tell you all about it |
| 00:08.25 | dafen | if there's anyway to compile a kernel on a faster machine than locally? |
| 00:08.25 | abrotman | peterS: but .. what will i do without you? |
| 00:08.32 | abrotman | peterS: when is it over? |
| 00:08.39 | peterS | dunno, a couple hours, I suppose |
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| 00:08.42 | Guerin | dafen: distcc, or build it on another host |
| 00:08.46 | abrotman | ah ok .. hopefully before i sleep :) |
| 00:08.47 | dafen | distcc? |
| 00:09.12 | abrotman | you can just compile it on another box |
| 00:09.14 | cire | a windows-machine is able to send messages to another windows machine by using "net send <IP or Hostname> <message>". How may I send such a message from a linux machine? Is this possible? |
| 00:09.23 | MrBallZ | cheal: KDM 3.2 |
| 00:09.24 | abrotman | !linpopup |
| 00:09.27 | MrBallZ | cheal: why ? |
| 00:09.47 | abrotman | !info linpopup sarge |
| 00:09.57 | dpkg | linpopup: (X Window System port of Winpopup, running over Samba), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 00:10.14 | abrotman | cire: or ask #samba how to do it |
| 00:10.25 | cire | thank you! |
| 00:10.29 | Zweideutig | Heh |
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| 00:11.06 | MoodGladeGal | can anyone tell me how to reconfigure exim4 ? |
| 00:11.16 | SerajewelKS | MoodGladeGal, dpkg-reconfigure exim4? |
| 00:11.41 | MoodGladeGal | no.. didn't do anything |
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| 00:12.07 | host` | is anyone here on the 11-1-686 kernel? |
| 00:12.10 | host` | er |
| 00:12.23 | vagabund | some nice people wanna take away my beer - I totaly keep them of limit - |
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| 00:12.35 | host` | is anyone here on the 2.6.11-1-686 kernel? |
| 00:12.39 | SerajewelKS | host`, i am |
| 00:12.42 | SerajewelKS | !poll |
| 00:12.42 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 00:13.47 | vagabund | oh what a sin - |
| 00:14.13 | scx | who runs /etc/motd ?? |
| 00:14.22 | scx | err who reads it ? |
| 00:14.27 | abrotman | bah .. i deleted /etc/ ... taking up too much space |
| 00:14.29 | SerajewelKS | scx, login i think |
| 00:14.49 | Unununium | / takes up too much space |
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| 00:15.12 | SerajewelKS | /dev/null is too big |
| 00:15.32 | Unununium | And /dev/kcore is huge! |
| 00:15.49 | Unununium | Well, still no luck on the installer boot problem... :^( |
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| 00:17.14 | scx | login is not a daemon right ? |
| 00:17.15 | cio | Anyone here use OpenNTP? |
| 00:17.32 | scx | the gist is to modify it |
| 00:17.34 | vagabund | they yust sleeps for a wile - |
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| 00:17.50 | vagabund | and I drink my beer - |
| 00:17.51 | scx | I want it to print parameters... |
| 00:17.56 | Zweideutig | scx: Do NOT modify login. |
| 00:18.12 | Unununium | Heh, I replaced login with a shell script :^) |
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| 00:19.06 | Zweideutig | /bin/login should NEVER be modified unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing. It isn't a job for the young programmer. |
| 00:19.12 | scx | so ???? What if I want it to printme (example) Welcome to %h and sustituted: Wellcome to Mercurio |
| 00:19.19 | HAMM3R | How and which repositories do I add so that I can download more packages? I live in the USA. |
| 00:19.50 | dondelelcaro | HAMM3R: just add a mirror using apt-setup; and you can install anything that is in main |
| 00:19.57 | scx | In advance. I want it to put other parameters |
| 00:20.04 | Zweideutig | scx: You can do that with motd. |
| 00:20.14 | Zweideutig | scx: (Print the message.) |
| 00:20.19 | HAMM3R | Where can I get a list of links for a mirror? |
| 00:20.22 | scx | ? |
| 00:20.24 | Zweideutig | Err, I am thinking about NetBSD. |
| 00:20.38 | Zweideutig | Anyway, you shouldn't touch /bin/login. |
| 00:20.49 | Unununium | $ touch /bin/login |
| 00:20.50 | Unununium | Oops |
| 00:20.53 | Zweideutig | Well, you can touch it. |
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| 00:21.07 | severy | hi |
| 00:21.13 | scx | no... I edited motd with: %h nut does not sustitute with the hostname, just prints "%h" |
| 00:21.20 | severy | can any1 help me with lilo configuration? |
| 00:21.32 | scx | or do I'm losing something ? |
| 00:21.38 | mwilson | !any1 |
| 00:21.38 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 00:21.42 | vagabund | zweideutig - is she a guy? |
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| 00:22.15 | Zweideutig | scx: Find another way. Leave /bin/login to the veteran programmers. |
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| 00:23.05 | severy | i tryed to configure lilo with liloconf and it wants to create a mbr on hdb but since thats not my first device it says that my system may not be bootable |
| 00:23.15 | severy | any ideas? |
| 00:23.17 | scx | I not going to edit /bin/login that's right |
| 00:23.28 | Zweideutig | After you are working yourself to death and getting three hours of sleep a day plus lunch naps trying to pay off your student loans, then you can /bin/login. |
| 00:23.30 | Unununium | severy: You may be able to configure your BIOS to boot something else first |
| 00:23.34 | HAMM3R | (dondelelcaro): thanks, I see what you mean now |
| 00:23.36 | host` | SerajewelKS, you're running a 2.6.11-1-686 kernel? |
| 00:23.39 | host` | is anyone else |
| 00:23.47 | host` | basically this is my problem |
| 00:23.50 | Zweideutig | Ask me how I like working 21 hours a day. |
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| 00:24.10 | host` | I need ndiswrapper running, all I can get is a 2.6.8 version |
| 00:24.10 | Zweideutig | I think I am going to quit. |
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| 00:24.16 | severy | im gonna try that |
| 00:24.17 | severy | thx |
| 00:24.17 | host` | would what work on 2.6.11? |
| 00:24.19 | ricky_clarkson | Zweideutig: What, the job or life? |
| 00:24.28 | Zweideutig | ricky_clarkson: The job. |
| 00:24.42 | ricky_clarkson | Zweideutig: Move to France. |
| 00:24.50 | Unununium | Upgrading the kernel may do it, but I definitely don't have what I need to edit the Debian netinst CD. Suggestions? |
| 00:24.51 | vagabund | Zweideutig: please quit! |
| 00:24.55 | webfreak | wouldn't that be more expensive? |
| 00:24.58 | Unununium | /quit |
| 00:25.08 | Zweideutig | vagabund: I might have to, three hours of sleep is killing me. |
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| 00:25.19 | Zweideutig | With school plus a job. :| |
| 00:26.01 | webfreak | Zweideutig: you know, you could be napping instead of ircing, unless you're at work of course ;) |
| 00:26.15 | Zweideutig | I am up at five, go to school, take lunch nap in middle of day, then get out and work until 1:00 AM answering stupid questions. |
| 00:26.43 | Guerin | Zweideutig: sounds a bit like my university life |
| 00:26.47 | Guerin | sucked |
| 00:26.48 | Zweideutig | Then homework when I get home. I get to bed at 2 AM if I am lucky. |
| 00:26.51 | vagabund | Zweideutig: asshole!!! |
| 00:26.52 | webfreak | what the crap time do your classes start? our earliest start at 8 |
| 00:27.06 | Zweideutig | webfreak: Heh |
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| 00:27.19 | Zweideutig | webfreak: I have to be there at seven. |
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| 00:27.25 | webfreak | Zweideutig: ah |
| 00:27.30 | Zweideutig | Takes me two hours to get there. |
| 00:27.31 | Guerin | eeugh, 7 is bad |
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| 00:27.37 | scx | why still use lilo ? |
| 00:27.45 | webfreak | Zweideutig: :( |
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| 00:27.47 | Zweideutig | I should move closer I guess. |
| 00:27.53 | scx | if there's GRUB ???? |
| 00:28.01 | scx | nostalgy maybe |
| 00:28.01 | Zweideutig | But I have this damn house I can't sell. |
| 00:28.02 | host` | problem: the kernal I want to use is 2.6.11, I need ndiswrapper to work on it and the only .dep file I find for ndiswrapper is 2.6.8, could I install it and use 2.6.11? |
| 00:28.05 | webfreak | Zweideutig: i live about 30 seconds from my uni ;) |
| 00:28.20 | Zweideutig | webfreak: Lucky. |
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| 00:28.29 | webfreak | depending on the one traffic light on the way |
| 00:28.33 | webfreak | :P |
| 00:28.53 | Guerin | webfreak: you live 30 seconds away, and you drive? |
| 00:29.07 | Zweideutig | Don't walk. |
| 00:29.09 | webfreak | Guerin: only because i don't have a bike ATM |
| 00:29.15 | webfreak | er, atm |
| 00:29.20 | Zweideutig | I hate bicycles. |
| 00:29.20 | ricky_clarkson | I live 30 minutes' bike ride from work, but I normally spend an hour sat on buses instead. |
| 00:29.22 | Guerin | don't you have feet that you can walk on? |
| 00:29.24 | webfreak | Guerin: that will soon be rectified |
| 00:29.41 | webfreak | Guerin: *shrug* |
| 00:29.42 | novent93 | if i want users to syncronize time with my server do i have to do anthing more that just start the service ntpd ... cause i don't see a .conf file for it |
| 00:29.47 | Zweideutig | I always drive. |
| 00:29.47 | Guerin | fucking americans |
| 00:30.03 | host` | damnit us |
| 00:30.05 | host` | we suck |
| 00:30.06 | ricky_clarkson | I've driven once, in a car park. I think I damaged the clutch. |
| 00:30.06 | host` | for what? |
| 00:30.13 | webfreak | Guerin: nice attitude |
| 00:30.14 | Zweideutig | And I eat a dozen donuts while on the highway, while drinking coffee. |
| 00:30.23 | vagabund | hm I think debian was free of cultures - |
| 00:30.24 | Guerin | webfreak: could say the same about you |
| 00:30.26 | ricky_clarkson | webfreak: Maybe that's what he's doing right now, fucking Americans. |
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| 00:30.31 | Zweideutig | At least the donuts cheer me up. |
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| 00:30.44 | webfreak | Guerin: i get enough exercise as it is |
| 00:30.47 | ricky_clarkson | donut is the one good Americanism. |
| 00:30.58 | ricky_clarkson | The English English word is doughnut. We put the 'ugh' in. |
| 00:30.58 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: bourbon is pretty good too |
| 00:31.21 | host` | Fortune Cookies are the one good Americanism |
| 00:31.28 | ricky_clarkson | host`: Aren't those Chinese? |
| 00:31.33 | host` | nope |
| 00:31.35 | Unununium | Chinese-American |
| 00:31.36 | host` | made in America |
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| 00:31.41 | ricky_clarkson | Unununium: Chinman? |
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| 00:31.51 | ricky_clarkson | Chincan rather. |
| 00:31.52 | Unununium | ? |
| 00:32.08 | Unununium | Chimerican :^) |
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| 00:32.36 | host` | a chinese man wanted to give something more to his customers that other chinese restaraunts gave, and he made fortune cookies |
| 00:32.42 | scx | #Debian is the funniest channel in IRC (maybe even more than #jokes ) |
| 00:32.49 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 00:32.50 | dpkg | methinks qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 00:32.52 | Guerin | webfreak: sorry. I meant "good on you for not curtailing your fossil fuel consumption and giving those damn hippies any satisfaction" |
| 00:33.07 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:33.41 | host` | I'm sure they're made in china though |
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| 00:34.03 | cevizoglu | host: fortune cookies were invented in Chinatown, San Francisco |
| 00:34.14 | host` | in the US, yes |
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| 00:34.25 | host` | somewhere in the US, I new that much |
| 00:35.26 | Guerin | so the fact that they're often written in mangulated english is likely an affectation? |
| 00:35.27 | host` | invented in america, but I'm sure they are made in china |
| 00:35.41 | glenn` | i have a sarge box here, i need to make a fat32 hd, mkfs.vfat does not exist, I am using the standard debian kernel and vfat is a module and i loaded just to be sure. Why would the mkfs.vfat binary not exist? |
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| 00:36.00 | vagabund | hm is english a world language - we never made it - |
| 00:36.00 | abrotman | glenn`: dosfstools |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | !find bin/mkfs.vfat |
| 00:36.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 00:36.20 | Guerin | glenn`: there another package which allows you to use other filesystems - msdosfs or something |
| 00:36.23 | Guerin | yeh |
| 00:36.51 | glenn` | ok thx sorry used to those being there by default in other distros |
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| 00:37.43 | abrotman | stupid dogs |
| 00:37.53 | vagabund | is chinese a world language - perhaps many people spoke this lang - |
| 00:37.57 | paul1 | glenn: there is no other, there is only debian |
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| 00:38.58 | Guerin | vagabund: no language spoken by more people |
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| 00:39.16 | Guerin | if you ignore the fact the people from one part of china can't necessarily understand people from another |
| 00:39.28 | host` | hoe do I 'dpkg' a file and it's dependencies? |
| 00:39.38 | yacyac | how do i find which package is available to download through apt-get |
| 00:39.40 | Guerin | host`: you don't, you use apt-get or aptitude |
| 00:39.48 | abrotman | host`: apt-cache depends <pkg> |
| 00:39.54 | Guerin | !tell yacyac about search |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 00:39.56 | abrotman | ignore me |
| 00:40.13 | Unununium | Gag, this timer chip problem has me stumped. Can I find an ISO for a debian installer disc with a newer kernel? |
| 00:40.14 | host` | Guerin, I can't apt-get because I can't connect to the internet without these files |
| 00:40.27 | host` | in my other kernel |
| 00:40.39 | Octave_Octet | Hi. I need to bunzip a .tar.bz2 file which is on a read-only file system to the current directory. What should I type ? Typing bunzip2 /fullpath/myfile in the target directory does not work |
| 00:40.59 | Unununium | bunzip2 -c filename > output.tar |
| 00:41.04 | Guerin | host`: you'll have to manually resolve dependencies, then. Not fun. If you have a debian CD with them on, you can add that to apt. |
| 00:41.13 | nimak | whats a good irc client? |
| 00:41.15 | host` | no debian CD |
| 00:41.26 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 00:41.27 | dpkg | from memory, irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 00:41.36 | Unununium | telnet works well |
| 00:41.38 | host` | someone ssh'd to my computer and upgraded everything, including my kernel |
| 00:41.44 | Guerin | no, telnet does not work well |
| 00:41.55 | Wyzard | host`: "someone"? Not you? |
| 00:41.59 | Guerin | telnet can be used as a last resort |
| 00:42.06 | Unununium | telnet is also the best ssh client; everything else is too easy |
| 00:42.07 | host` | Wyzard, not me |
| 00:42.08 | Quinn_Storm | the upgrade cracker strikes again! |
| 00:42.19 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: heh |
| 00:42.20 | Unununium | Doing crypto in your head keeps you sharp |
| 00:42.24 | Wyzard | host`: Another authorized user? Or did someone break into your computer and upgrade it? |
| 00:42.33 | vagabund | I lern chinese - but it heards - |
| 00:42.34 | paul1 | Unununium: did you try linux26 |
| 00:42.36 | host` | Wyzard, and authed user |
| 00:42.45 | Octave_Octet | Thanks |
| 00:42.49 | Unununium | paul1: there is no linux26 kernel image on the disc |
| 00:43.03 | paul1 | Unununium: Which disk? |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | Unununium: still sparc ? |
| 00:43.10 | Unununium | Yes |
| 00:43.15 | Guerin | bah, I need a shorter domain name |
| 00:43.18 | Unununium | paul1: debian-31r0a-sparc-netinst.iso |
| 00:43.29 | Guerin | but all the pronounceable short ones are taken |
| 00:43.34 | paul1 | Unununium: Best of luck then |
| 00:43.57 | Quinn_Storm | Guerin: lol, I recently discovered that my local subdomain's initials are LMAO |
| 00:44.00 | paul1 | Guerin: What about 666.net |
| 00:44.06 | Quinn_Storm | that is almost certainly taken |
| 00:44.07 | Guerin | paul1: long gone |
| 00:44.10 | host` | Wyzard, I authed him to do it, and made sure he left my old kernel in tact so that I would still be able to connect and solve any problems I have |
| 00:44.14 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: heh |
| 00:44.32 | Quinn_Storm | local.metascape.afraid.org, heh |
| 00:44.34 | Guerin | all three letter .com/org/net tlds i've tried are taken |
| 00:44.34 | LootBeer | i cannot get my ipaq to be detected... by activesync.. pls help!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:44.53 | Wyzard | Guerin: There's always something left |
| 00:44.57 | Wyzard | Guerin: I have wyzardry.net, for example |
| 00:45.06 | vagabund | the chinese graffs are so strange - |
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| 00:45.11 | Guerin | Wyzard: yeah... i could make something up. |
| 00:45.26 | Guerin | i did for my other domain, which I suppose i could just use subdomains of |
| 00:45.40 | abrotman | Guerin: guerin.org? :) |
| 00:45.49 | host` | I new I would have problems with ndiswrapper |
| 00:45.52 | Quinn_Storm | ++ |
| 00:45.58 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah, because there aren't any other people with the surname guerin in the world |
| 00:46.00 | Quinn_Storm | ...silly cat, keyboards are for people |
| 00:46.05 | abrotman | Guerin: i've never met one :) |
| 00:46.10 | host` | are kernel headers different than a kernel source? |
| 00:46.20 | cio | host - yea |
| 00:46.26 | host` | that's what I thought |
| 00:46.28 | Guerin | abrotman: france and belgium are apparently crawling with them |
| 00:46.38 | Wyzard | host`: Yes... headers are just enough to be able to compile third-party modules (such as ndiswrapper), not recompile the kernel itself |
| 00:46.38 | host` | headers are the ones that your OS is on exactly right? |
| 00:46.42 | abrotman | Guerin: you're a frenchie! haha! |
| 00:46.45 | Unununium | I need to pee but once I leave the room I am locked out... hmm, that trash can is starting to look mighty tempting |
| 00:46.46 | Guerin | abrotman: nope. |
| 00:46.48 | Quinn_Storm | ndiswrapper btw has been great to me |
| 00:46.54 | host` | I need my kerner headers |
| 00:46.56 | Wyzard | host`: kernel-headers are used when you have a precompiled kernel-image package installed and want to build third-party modules for it |
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| 00:47.00 | Quinn_Storm | Unununium: can't you just use the trash can to prop the door? |
| 00:47.14 | Unununium | Yeah, then someone can come in and steal millions of dollars of equipment |
| 00:47.15 | host` | I need the headers then |
| 00:47.25 | Unununium | Security research lab |
| 00:47.31 | host` | tha would solve my problems |
| 00:47.38 | Thanatermesis | xorg in testing not have the composite features ? |
| 00:47.47 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: Yes, it does |
| 00:47.58 | abrotman | Unununium: did you hit f2 or whatever to view the other choices? |
| 00:48.03 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: It's not enabled by default though... there's something you have to put in your config file, though I don't remember offhand what it is |
| 00:48.05 | Unununium | "Tab", yes |
| 00:48.12 | Unununium | I get linux and rescue, both of which are 2.4.27 |
| 00:48.12 | ricky_clarkson | Is it worth running dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg? |
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| 00:48.27 | Thanatermesis | only in the conf file Wyzard ? I don't need to launch any comand ? |
| 00:48.31 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: for S&G it is :) |
| 00:48.45 | paul1 | Unununium: If its a timer problem, can you disable the timer? |
| 00:49.00 | ricky_clarkson | S&G? |
| 00:49.05 | Unununium | Problem with clock_probe... hmm, maybe there's a kernel command line option |
| 00:49.09 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: Well, to actually utilize it you need to run a compositing manager, and xcompmgr isn't packaged yet |
| 00:49.45 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: It has performance issues anyway, I believe... will be fixed once X's drivers are updated to use the new Exa acceleration architecture, I believe |
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| 00:50.25 | host` | last question(hopefully): would 'apt-get -f install' delete all the installed files relating to to that file, or only delete the files that were trying to be installed? |
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| 00:50.48 | Unununium | remove, you mean? |
| 00:50.58 | host` | install |
| 00:51.02 | Wyzard | host`: It won't delete anything... it'll just install any missing packages needed to satisfy dependencies |
| 00:51.26 | bathat | i've compiled kernel 2.6.13.1 and i get the error "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 00:51.31 | host` | everytime I ran apt-get it gave me the same two dependencies |
| 00:51.37 | Guerin | !wayc bathat |
| 00:51.38 | vagabund | write "i love you" in chinese - |
| 00:51.38 | dpkg | bathat: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:51.40 | bathat | i got the same error when booting 2.6.8 quite awhile ago |
| 00:51.43 | host` | for programs that weren't related |
| 00:51.52 | HAMM3R | Ive run into a problem. When i boot up, i eventually see these two lines, then it freezes: First line: usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xcc989000, IRQ 10. Second line: usb-ohci.c: usb-00:01.2, SiS USB 1.0 Controller |
| 00:52.03 | bathat | !wayc |
| 00:52.19 | bathat | ? |
| 00:52.29 | host` | alright |
| 00:52.31 | host` | bbl |
| 00:52.37 | host` | hopefully |
| 00:52.38 | Guerin | bathat: just answer the question: why aren't you using a debian kernel? |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: shits and giggles |
| 00:52.49 | bathat | oh ok |
| 00:52.55 | bathat | because i wanted the latest and greatest |
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| 00:53.05 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: yoos ukk |
| 00:53.08 | bathat | cleanest |
| 00:53.16 | Quinn_Storm | the "latest and greatest" is rarely in the kernel |
| 00:53.20 | zinx | there is no "latest and greatest" |
| 00:53.27 | zinx | there's a latest, and there's a greatest |
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| 00:53.29 | Quinn_Storm | unless you have weird hardware |
| 00:53.38 | bathat | oh |
| 00:53.41 | Guerin | !sns syndrome |
| 00:53.41 | dpkg | somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 00:53.46 | bathat | well... i could install using apt-get |
| 00:53.51 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: utes? |
| 00:53.59 | bathat | but then all my efforts were for naught |
| 00:54.09 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Geez mite, we're not in australia. |
| 00:54.18 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you've never seen my cousin vinny |
| 00:54.30 | jazzmanss | I have more vncserver questions. according to the documentation, the wm that is started is specified in ~.vnc/xstartup, but I do not have this script. I don't know the correct syntax to write this script, and the documentation has no examples of this that I can find. |
| 00:54.33 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, no xcompmrg :/ |
| 00:54.36 | bathat | kernel-build*? |
| 00:54.49 | Guerin | bathat: kernel-image or linux-image |
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| 00:54.59 | Quinn_Storm | if you need xcompmgr, I reccomend *cough*apt-get.org*cough* |
| 00:55.10 | bathat | oh ok |
| 00:55.37 | vagabund | write I love you in mandarin - hihi |
| 00:55.45 | metaperl | wo3 ai4 ni3 |
| 00:55.46 | paul1 | ricky_clarkson: Talk for yourself, I'm in Australia |
| 00:56.05 | Unununium | If no one here has an answer, who can I email for more help with the SPARC install? |
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| 00:57.05 | ricky_clarkson | paul1: I was talking to abrotman, you good for nothing kangaroo-bouncer. |
| 00:57.20 | abrotman | i'm aussie? |
| 00:57.29 | Unununium | paul1 is |
| 00:57.36 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: No, just stupid. |
| 00:57.43 | bathat | why is there both a linux and a kernel? |
| 00:57.46 | abrotman | hey .. i didn't vote for GWB |
| 00:57.57 | abrotman | bathat: what? |
| 00:58.11 | bathat | why is there both a linux and kernel-image? |
| 00:58.27 | Quinn_Storm | I think one is a pseudo-package to let you track the latest kernel...but I could be wrong |
| 00:58.34 | Guerin | bathat: because kernel-image names were changed to linux-image a short while ago |
| 00:58.43 | Guerin | but not retroactively, for obvious reasons |
| 00:58.45 | bathat | ah, so either one is fine? |
| 00:58.48 | bonez39 | bathat, you're new to this aren't you..... |
| 00:58.54 | bathat | well, yes |
| 00:59.05 | bathat | at least when it comes to installing kernels with apt-get |
| 00:59.07 | Guerin | bathat: if you look closely you'll note they're different versions. |
| 00:59.08 | karma1 | ok, for some reason, each time I restart my session my wallpaper gets reset to some default solid color, and I cant change it in the gnome control panel...until I click the "Themes" icon and then it allows me to change the wallpaper after I re-apply a gnome theme, any way to stop this from happening? |
| 00:59.32 | bathat | 1:2.6.12-6 vs 2.6.12-6 |
| 00:59.42 | Quinn_Storm | karma1: sounds like part of gnome isn't reloading...whatever gnome uses to paint the root window...until you open a theme |
| 00:59.44 | ricky_clarkson | karma1: Do you run nautilus on your desktop? |
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| 00:59.56 | bathat | however, then below it only has 2.6 vs 2.6.12 |
| 01:00.05 | ricky_clarkson | karma1: [the daft icons, etc.] |
| 01:00.11 | bathat | ok, kernel image is the one i'll install |
| 01:00.20 | karma1 | ricky_clarkson: nope, and im also running fluxbox |
| 01:00.32 | Quinn_Storm | karma1: flux is probably using fbsetroot on it |
| 01:00.33 | Wyzard | bathat: The "2.6" ones are dependency packages, which just depend on the latest actual version (2.6.8, 2.6.12, etc.) |
| 01:00.50 | karma1 | Quinn_Storm: ahh, so what would the solution be to fix this? |
| 01:00.58 | bathat | so this is normal? |
| 01:00.59 | bathat | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 01:00.59 | bathat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.04 | hou5ton | I'm wondering about Debian for someone "sort of" new to linux .... used Ubuntu ... looked at Mepis .... someone said straight Debian was not friendly but i happened to pick up a 3.1 CD .... any thoughts? |
| 01:01.04 | Quinn_Storm | bathat: yes |
| 01:01.05 | Wyzard | bathat: The "kernel-image" set provides 2.6.8 -- that's what shipped with sarge -- and "linux-image" gives you 2.6.12 |
| 01:01.15 | bathat | oh ok, yes |
| 01:01.19 | Quinn_Storm | karma1: remove fbsetroot? |
| 01:01.27 | tvn | anyone has fast machines (3 Ghz + ) and willing to donate some cpu cycle to help me crunching some data ? |
| 01:01.35 | bathat | i tried to install 2.6.8 through debian-installer but had some problems |
| 01:01.45 | bathat | so i install 2.4.27 |
| 01:01.46 | Wyzard | bathat: Typically you'd install something like linux-image-2.6-686, which would then pull in linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 01:01.58 | bathat | ok |
| 01:02.04 | bathat | thanks |
| 01:02.11 | karma1 | Quinn_Storm: yea, but how? :| |
| 01:02.21 | Quinn_Storm | karma1: apt-get remove fbsetroot ? |
| 01:02.21 | bathat | will it automatically update grub? |
| 01:02.25 | Wyzard | bathat: Later, when 2.6.13 is packaged, linux-image-2.6-686 will be changed so it depends on that instead, so you automatically get the new version when you upgrade |
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| 01:02.31 | Quinn_Storm | bathat: if debian installed grub to begin with, yes |
| 01:02.37 | bathat | ok |
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| 01:02.49 | Quinn_Storm | bathat: if you made your own menu.lst however no it won't |
| 01:02.51 | bathat | i wish i could figure out the compiled version but oh well |
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| 01:02.56 | HAMM3R | Ive run into a problem. When i boot up, i eventually see these two lines, then it freezes: First line: usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xcc989000, IRQ 10. Second line: usb-ohci.c: usb-00:01.2, SiS USB 1.0 Controller |
| 01:02.59 | karma1 | says it couldnt find package fbsetroot |
| 01:02.59 | bathat | it was installed with grub, yes |
| 01:03.06 | Quinn_Storm | karma1: hmm I'm not sure |
| 01:03.10 | Wyzard | bathat: There's an "update-grub" script which you can arrange to be run automatically whenever a kernel package is installed, but I don't think it happens by default |
| 01:03.27 | Guerin | Wyzard: it does. |
| 01:03.35 | Quinn_Storm | Wyzard: it does run automatically -if- grub's menu.lst has the right debian magic in it |
| 01:03.39 | Guerin | HAMM3R: try acpi=off |
| 01:03.46 | bonez39 | Wyzard, you are right....one must run update-grub to get the new kernel installation into menu.lst....so it will boot the next boot cycle.. |
| 01:03.49 | bathat | i wanted to build a smaller kernel... that's why i was compiling it myself |
| 01:03.52 | Wyzard | bathat: However, installing kernel packages always updates the /vmlinuz and /initrd.img symlinks to point to the latest version, so I just use a custom menu.lst which has a single entry, pointing to those... that way, GRUB never needs to be "updated" at all |
| 01:03.55 | bathat | but that's not that big of a deal |
| 01:03.55 | Guerin | bathat: why? |
| 01:04.10 | HAMM3R | How might I do that? I cant even get to a command line. It freezes before it boots. |
| 01:04.14 | Wyzard | bathat: The precompiled kernels have just about everything built as modules |
| 01:04.23 | bathat | oh ok |
| 01:04.25 | Quinn_Storm | HAMM3R: as a boot parameter, not at command line |
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| 01:04.41 | Guerin | HAMM3R: you can edit the command line in grub by hitting 'e' |
| 01:04.49 | Wyzard | bathat: Only the modules your system actually needs get loaded; the rest is a few megabytes of extra disk space, but that's no big deal |
| 01:04.56 | HAMM3R | ok |
| 01:04.59 | HAMM3R | Ill try that |
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| 01:05.40 | bathat | Wyzard: thanks |
| 01:05.52 | HAMM3R | acpi=off in grub.conf correct? |
| 01:05.52 | Solet` | when i insert a cd shouldnt gnome auto mount it for me? |
| 01:05.53 | bathat | now, supposedly if you're using sata you have to change hda to sda |
| 01:05.58 | vagabund | spell "I love you" mandarin on this channel - |
| 01:05.59 | scx | yes |
| 01:05.59 | bathat | since 2.6 |
| 01:06.09 | Guerin | HAMM3R: just edit the 'kernel' line and add acpi=off |
| 01:06.16 | HAMM3R | Ok |
| 01:06.19 | Guerin | vagabund: this is not #chinese |
| 01:06.33 | Wyzard | Solet`: If you have that enabled in the "removable drives and media" control panel, and if you're running a 2.6 kernel and using udev, yes |
| 01:06.36 | Guerin | vagabund: and besides, metaperl already did |
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| 01:07.57 | Solet` | Wyzard: yes, yes, and how do i check about udev? |
| 01:08.31 | bathat | is there any reason why the latest compiled kernel would show up as config-* and config-*.old |
| 01:08.33 | Wyzard | Solet`: See if you have a tmpfs mounted on /dev |
| 01:08.39 | bathat | what would cause this? |
| 01:09.00 | bathat | because it didn't used to be like this and now i have grub entries for both current and old |
| 01:09.00 | vagabund | hihihi |
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| 01:09.23 | Wyzard | bathat: You have entries for both kernels because both are installed |
| 01:09.53 | bathat | yes, but the ones i compiled |
| 01:09.59 | Guerin | bathat: that's good. You never want to remove and old kernel until you know the new one boots. |
| 01:10.05 | bathat | config-2.6.13.1 and .old |
| 01:10.12 | bathat | oh ok |
| 01:10.13 | Solet` | wyzard: nope |
| 01:10.14 | bathat | that's why |
| 01:10.19 | Guerin | bathat: read the /boot/grub/menu.list comments for elucidation |
| 01:10.33 | Solet` | wait... mounted????? |
| 01:10.37 | bathat | excuse my newbiness but is removing a kernel as simple as removing the config and System.map files |
| 01:10.38 | bathat | ? |
| 01:10.46 | Solet` | how do i see if its mounted? |
| 01:11.22 | Guerin | bathat: no. You need to remove the image, the initrd and the modules also. If present. |
| 01:11.23 | Unununium | Okay, I sent an installation report |
| 01:11.27 | Unununium | If there's nothing more I can do I will leave |
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| 01:11.37 | bathat | there is no initrd in this case |
| 01:11.41 | bathat | what about the modules? |
| 01:11.55 | Guerin | bathat: it's your fucking kernel, how should I know? |
| 01:11.57 | paul1 | bathat: just remove the package if its packaged |
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| 01:12.37 | paul1 | bathat: and then update the links in / and rerun lilo. (I only use lilo) |
| 01:12.45 | Unununium | Alright, goodbye. Hopefully someone will pick up on my report in the next day or so. A lot of people are waiting on this. |
| 01:12.55 | bathat | paul1: it's not packaged |
| 01:13.02 | bathat | not the kernel i want to remove |
| 01:13.06 | Wyzard | Solet`: Run "mount" |
| 01:13.17 | mfrisch | is there a linux app to crack MS outlook archive files?? |
| 01:13.34 | Guerin | mfrisch: linux doesn't have apps |
| 01:13.40 | Solet` | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 01:13.41 | ma3x | mfrisch, go taka a bath |
| 01:13.43 | ma3x | you suck |
| 01:13.47 | Wyzard | Solet`: Look for one on /dev |
| 01:13.51 | paul1 | bathat: if you installed it, surely you know what files you put where. |
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| 01:14.17 | mfrisch | is that a no? |
| 01:14.23 | Solet` | and tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size10M,mode=0755) |
| 01:14.26 | bathat | yes, is it as simple as a make clean/distclean? |
| 01:14.33 | Wyzard | Solet`: OK, looks like you're using udev |
| 01:14.43 | Solet` | ls |
| 01:14.45 | paul1 | bathat: Just update lilo or grub |
| 01:14.48 | Solet` | oops wron gkeyboard |
| 01:14.59 | Solet` | still isnt automounting |
| 01:15.01 | bathat | ok |
| 01:15.33 | MoodGladeGal | I just setup exim4, when sending out a test email it shows "completed" in mainlog..... but never actually gets to the destination. any ideas? |
| 01:15.44 | Wyzard | Solet`: Does the device file for your CD-ROM drive appear in /dev ? |
| 01:16.49 | bathat | paul1: thanks for your help |
| 01:17.00 | bathat | Guerin: thanks for your help |
| 01:17.26 | Solet` | well crap it used to be there... i used to have /dev/cd0 but now apparently i dont |
| 01:17.29 | mfrisch | Guerin thought so...this nice lady at work locked her archive of four years...it is nice for things to work at home. |
| 01:17.47 | Wyzard | Solet`: If it's an IDE drive, it'd be named something like "hdc", not "cd0" |
| 01:18.02 | Guerin | mfrisch: does she have the ability to unlock it? |
| 01:18.49 | Solet` | omfg.... i feel fuckin stupid yeah i have an hdc.... i cant believe my self 'cd0' |
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| 01:19.15 | astronut | is there a tool like gallery that will let me just generate a static page with thumbnails and file names? I only want it for one set |
| 01:19.27 | Guerin | astronut: there are many |
| 01:19.28 | Wyzard | Solet`: Well, you were close to the notation for a SCSI drive... "scd0", etc. |
| 01:19.44 | astronut | Guerin: just one time, generate an html page, and the thumbs, not having to run with CGI? |
| 01:19.48 | mfrisch | Guerin she did not think it was locked and we gave her a new system with updated version and now its asking. I saw shareware and really cracking isn't part of my job, but she is nice. |
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| 01:20.05 | Wyzard | Solet`: Anyway, it appears that your drive is recognized by udev, so udev should be sending events when a disc is inserted |
| 01:20.16 | Guerin | astronut: sure, plenty. |
| 01:20.18 | Wyzard | Solet`: Run "ps ax | grep dbus" and see if it shows an instance of dbus-daemon-1 running |
| 01:20.20 | cevizoglu | bathat: if you installed your kernel with apt-get, you can see what files were installed with dpkg --listfiles |
| 01:20.29 | astronut | Guerin: example? |
| 01:20.39 | vagabund | I learning chinese - year |
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| 01:20.50 | Guerin | astronut: can't remember any names, but I've used several of these in the past |
| 01:20.57 | astronut | Guerin: how...helpful ;-) |
| 01:21.07 | Guerin | astronut: well, you only asked if they existed. |
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| 01:21.24 | bathat | one last question... is it true that you now have to change hde to sde for sata drives? |
| 01:21.40 | Solet` | yeah i got dbus-daemon-1 --system |
| 01:21.42 | dondelelcaro | bathat: or sda; depends on the card and the driver. |
| 01:21.50 | bathat | yeah, so it is true |
| 01:21.51 | bathat | ok, thanks |
| 01:21.59 | astronut | is there a tool (*if so, please give me the name*) like gallery that will let me just generate a static page with thumbnails and file names? I only want it for one set. Static, runs, generates output and done...not CGI |
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| 01:23.29 | Solet` | Wyzard: yeah dbus-daemon-1 is running |
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| 01:23.53 | Wyzard | Solet`: Check the GNOME prefs then... |
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| 01:24.05 | Guerin | astronut: if you'd just fucking googled you'd have found several |
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| 01:24.39 | Solet` | wait... omfg... this makes no sense at all... |
| 01:24.50 | Solet` | it was pointed for no apparent reason at a bad mount point |
| 01:24.54 | tuxillo | hi |
| 01:25.49 | Solet` | i tried to open the cd through the 'computer' icon in gnome instead of nautilus and then looked at its error and it said that my mount point was bad |
| 01:26.03 | Solet` | the fucked up part is that my mount point was fuckin '/cd0' |
| 01:26.44 | vagabund | I learn mandarin - year - |
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| 01:27.40 | Guerin | vagabund: can you please stop? |
| 01:28.17 | ricky_clarkson | I use mandarin linux. |
| 01:28.23 | Solet` | Wyzard: does the 2.6 kernel have some evil/spiteful AI that grows to hate people who aren't good with linux yet? |
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| 01:29.39 | Unununium | Y'know, I'm going to try a Testing d-i CD |
| 01:30.01 | tuxillo | if you have your router managing at port 80, and you have to use that port for apache, what should you do??? |
| 01:30.04 | tuxillo | :) |
| 01:30.04 | vagabund | S T O P - |
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| 01:30.12 | cheal | Unununium: I don't think those are built currently |
| 01:30.33 | Guerin | tuxillo: configure your router to forward incoming connection on 80 to your apache server |
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| 01:30.44 | Unununium | "Index of /pub/cdimage-testing/daily/sparc/20050914" |
| 01:30.46 | dondelelcaro | vagabund: either stay on topic for #debian, or you will be devoiced. |
| 01:30.46 | Guerin | tuxillo: i am unable to tell you how to do that. |
| 01:31.00 | tuxillo | Guerin: and how I manage my router? |
| 01:31.03 | Unununium | That's pretty current :^) |
| 01:31.33 | Guerin | tuxillo: how should I know? It's your router. |
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| 01:31.39 | cheal | Unununium: I think that's a sid d-i |
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| 01:31.41 | tuxillo | xDD |
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| 01:32.12 | jake1932 | trying to figure out where to look for my system hanging on startup - syslog doesn't look too intersting |
| 01:32.36 | mfrisch | can anybody recomend a cheap gigabit switch? |
| 01:32.38 | Guerin | jake1932: will it boot into single? |
| 01:32.43 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you found out what his topic was? |
| 01:32.44 | vagabund | dondelelcaro: think |
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| 01:32.55 | jake1932 | jake1932: recovery mode? yes |
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| 01:33.04 | tuxillo | Guerin: thanks |
| 01:33.20 | jake1932 | Guerin: i meant that for you :) |
| 01:33.33 | cheal | Unununium: it's indeed a sid d-i |
| 01:33.42 | Guerin | jake1932: what's the last thing you see onscreen before it dies? |
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| 01:33.46 | cheal | Unununium: and I notice that etch d-i are built again now |
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| 01:33.54 | jake1932 | Guerin: send mail MTA permissions issue |
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| 01:34.08 | Guerin | jake1932: fix your MTA |
| 01:34.23 | Guerin | jake1932: and why are you using sendmail if you're not a wizzid? |
| 01:34.27 | jake1932 | Guerin: i triend doing an apt-get remove on sendmail |
| 01:34.53 | jake1932 | Guerin: says it's not installed |
| 01:35.05 | dondelelcaro | jake1932: you need to install a different mta at the same time you remove sendmail. apt-get install nullmailer sendmail-; FE. |
| 01:35.20 | jake1932 | dondelelcaro: exim is alerady in there |
| 01:35.28 | Guerin | it might just be the sendmail binary or symlink |
| 01:35.45 | jake1932 | apt-get remove exim? |
| 01:35.49 | SerajewelKS | if i add myself to a group after starting a WM or DE, is it possible to login to the new group on the WM level, so all programs started after that will be logged into that group? |
| 01:35.55 | dondelelcaro | jake1932: then use exim... |
| 01:35.57 | Guerin | jake1932: apt-get install nullmailer; |
| 01:36.00 | Gnea | dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 01:36.08 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: newgrp |
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| 01:36.17 | Gnea | jake1932: just tell it to deliver locally only |
| 01:36.33 | jake1932 | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 01:36.38 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, except that doesn't do what i asked |
| 01:36.48 | Gnea | that would be a stupid thing to do |
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| 01:37.13 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: your question makes no sense. My error parsing kicked in. |
| 01:37.16 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, i want the KDE process to log in to that group so that newly started programs inherit the group as part of their environment |
| 01:37.21 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: no, you have to log back in from the DM or console |
| 01:37.24 | SerajewelKS | without restarting kde |
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| 01:37.41 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: doesn't work like that, ,gotta restart kde |
| 01:37.57 | jake1932 | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 01:38.08 | Guerin | jake1932: so do what it tells you |
| 01:38.14 | jake1932 | ok - just checking |
| 01:38.23 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, is there a reason for that? would it require too much work to make this possible? |
| 01:38.34 | SerajewelKS | too much work for kernel developers, etc |
| 01:38.35 | Guerin | jake1932: add -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=yes |
| 01:38.49 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: you have no clue. |
| 01:38.49 | Guerin | (i think that syntax is right) |
| 01:39.02 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, that's not an answer to my question |
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| 01:39.58 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: your question has been answered, if you are unable to comprehend or accept it, a bridge exists for which you may jump off of at any given time. thank you, drive through. |
| 01:40.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i'm asking if there's a reason. you don't have to answer, but stop being a prick about it. |
| 01:40.22 | jake1932 | Guerin: thanks! that went through - now hopefully it'll reboot |
| 01:40.41 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, the bots and crap say to ask straight questions. when i ask one i expect a straight answer. |
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| 01:40.58 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: just for calling me a prick, you will recieve no more help now. |
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| 01:41.11 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, more? you mean i got some before? |
| 01:41.28 | Gnea | i told you how to make it do what you wanted it to |
| 01:41.54 | Gnea | the answer, if it wasn't blatantly obvious since obviously you can't read worth a shit, is 'no' |
| 01:42.05 | SerajewelKS | you said what i wanted to do wasn't possible, and i asked why. then you proceeded to dodge. |
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| 01:42.29 | Gnea | !troll SerajewelKS |
| 01:42.56 | SerajewelKS | i fail to see how wanting to know why something is the way it is constitutes trolling, but okay.. whatever |
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| 01:44.10 | SerajewelKS | anyone else wanna take a stab, or is this the "don't ask why" time of night |
| 01:44.25 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: listen, your attitude is what sucks, and it's not doing mine any good, so take it and shove it elsewhere. it can't be done because of what you stated regarding the kernel. that is all, now quit your bitching, please. |
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| 01:45.13 | jake1932 | Guerin: now it says Starting MTA - nullmailer and couple lines down Starting MTA sendmail |
| 01:45.25 | jake1932 | Guerin: and hangs ther |
| 01:45.26 | jake1932 | e |
| 01:45.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, iirc i asked you a question and you proceeded to tell me that i had no clue... about what? that's not an answer, and that is my point. |
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| 01:45.54 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: and you are now ignored. |
| 01:46.04 | SerajewelKS | Gnea-- |
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| 01:46.29 | cheal | SerajewelKS: don't worry so much |
| 01:46.44 | SerajewelKS | cheal, i'm not worrying. i'm wondering what the heck ticked him off. |
| 01:47.01 | SerajewelKS | i thought "don't ask why" was the windows way |
| 01:47.08 | Unununium | Yay, the testing CD boots!! I'm ssh'ing from it right now |
| 01:47.17 | Unununium | My terminal's a bit wonky though |
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| 01:47.54 | cheal | SerajewelKS: one reason for me is that the IRC window doesn't close itself...sometimes that means I'll be here at very late hours :) |
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| 01:48.04 | dippo | anyone knoe what this might be indicative of from waproamd: SIOCGIWRANGE failed: Argument list too long |
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| 01:48.37 | Wyzard | dippo: You might want to consider using wpasupplicant instead |
| 01:48.37 | SerajewelKS | cheal, was that a non-sequitor, or is my brain really dead tonight? |
| 01:48.49 | dippo | i haven't had any luck with wpasupplicant |
| 01:48.56 | dippo | i don't think it works with the ipw2200 |
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| 01:48.58 | Wyzard | dippo: As the name implies, it supports WPA... but it also can associate to WEP and unsecured APs |
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| 01:49.04 | Wyzard | dippo: hmm, possibly |
| 01:49.12 | Gnea | dippo: it doesn't, the card has to be prism-based |
| 01:49.20 | dippo | i have tried it with the ipw2200 driver, and with driverloader as well, even with the driverloader version |
| 01:49.23 | jake1932 | My system is hanging now on "Starting Mail Transfer Agent sendmail" - can i remove sendmail now that I have nullmailer |
| 01:49.24 | cheal | SerajewelKS: I was giving you one reason people can be "ticked off" (if I understand right what that means) |
| 01:49.24 | jake1932 | ? |
| 01:49.25 | dippo | ipw2200 works fine with WEP |
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| 01:49.35 | dippo | but waproamd won't start for some reason |
| 01:49.36 | Gnea | or am i thinking hostapd |
| 01:49.40 | Wyzard | Gnea: I'm pretty sure wpasupplicant supports some other cards besides Prism ones |
| 01:49.40 | hou5ton | I'm wondering about Debian for someone "sort of" new to linux .... used Ubuntu ... looked at Mepis .... someone said straight Debian was not friendly but i happened to pick up a 3.1 CD .... any thoughts? |
| 01:49.43 | dippo | i didn't have this trouble with the driverloader driver |
| 01:49.56 | Wyzard | Gnea: It supports ndiswrapper, for example |
| 01:50.01 | dippo | but driverloader was causing my laptop to freeze |
| 01:50.03 | SerajewelKS | cheal, okay.. now i see. i didn't know what the heck you meant. |
| 01:50.04 | dippo | i can't win, i tell ya |
| 01:50.11 | SerajewelKS | cheal, thought maybe you highlighted the wrong person ;) |
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| 01:50.23 | kb9way | where can i get info on compiling a kernel in debain |
| 01:50.28 | cheal | hou5ton: hum. it's not so hard :) how long have you been using any other distro? |
| 01:50.42 | cheal | SerajewelKS: maybe it's already too late here :) |
| 01:50.43 | hou5ton | cheal: off and on for a year or so |
| 01:50.54 | cheal | hou5ton: I don't think Debian will be a problem |
| 01:51.05 | ifup | Hello, does anyone know where ndiswrapper is told what .config file to load? |
| 01:51.16 | Wyzard | cheal: FWIW, I wpasupplicant with my prism54 card via ndiswrapper (because the open-source prism54 driver doesn't support WPA) |
| 01:51.28 | Wyzard | cheal: oops, sorry |
| 01:51.30 | Wyzard | dippo: ^^^ |
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| 01:51.34 | cheal | Wyzard: :) |
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| 01:52.02 | hou5ton | cheal: when I went to the debian package sites, I couldn't find what was the latest version of xchat that one can have with Debian 3.1. do you know? |
| 01:52.15 | cheal | hou5ton: I switched to knoppix after ~6 months of MDK, then couldn't tolerate it a month before I switched to Debian |
| 01:52.21 | dippo | when I try wpa_supplicant with the ipw2200 module i get: ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported |
| 01:52.32 | cheal | hou5ton: you have to check packages.d.o |
| 01:52.37 | hou5ton | thanks |
| 01:52.37 | ifup | if I dmesg and grep for ndiswrapper I get: wlan0: ndiswrapper ethernet device 00:11:50:1d:6f:3a using driver bcmwl5, configuration file 14E4:4320.5.conf |
| 01:52.42 | dippo | is the ipw2200 a prism54 card? |
| 01:53.00 | HAMM3R | I added acpi=off to the kernel line of grub. It did boot. But the second time i booted (i had to enter it again, acpi=off didnt stay) I got the USB error again. The acpi=off didnt seem to work that time. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 01:53.01 | Gnea | ifup: is that 32bit or 64bit? |
| 01:53.03 | dippo | i don't have any beef with driverloader except it was freezing my laptop all the time |
| 01:53.06 | Wyzard | dippo: I'm pretty sure it isn't |
| 01:53.06 | dippo | i guess i could try ndiswrapper |
| 01:53.10 | MoodGladeGal | I just setup exim4, when sending out a test email it shows "completed" or "error need a fully qualified hostname" in mainlog..... only gets to some destinations. any ideas? |
| 01:53.12 | dippo | Wyzard: oh |
| 01:53.41 | Wyzard | dippo: I'd recommend giving ndiswrapper a shot though... I've tried it on three different cards (one prism54, one Broadcom, and one that I don't remember) and it's always worked great |
| 01:53.45 | ifup | its 32bit |
| 01:53.56 | dippo | i guess |
| 01:54.06 | dippo | if it didn't freeze my laptop i'd be happy |
| 01:54.11 | Wyzard | dippo: I also use ifplugd -- once wpasupplicant associates to an AP, ifplugd kicks in and does ifup on it |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | moo! |
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| 01:54.30 | dippo | yeah |
| 01:54.34 | dippo | same with waproamd |
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| 01:55.50 | dippo | should i get a release candidate or should I stick with the latest major version rlease |
| 01:55.58 | LootBeer | how do u find where acertain directory is instaled? the path of directory?? |
| 01:56.00 | cheal | dippo: ipw2200 is... an ipw2200 |
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| 01:56.11 | hou5ton | Do things like Ubuntu or Mepis offer additional packages, or newer ones? |
| 01:56.19 | cheal | LootBeer: uh? example? |
| 01:56.20 | dippo | cheal: i figured as much |
| 01:56.36 | cheal | hou5ton: most likely, in some cases |
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| 01:56.47 | ifup | I have been running ndiswrapper for a few months with a belkin 54g card running the linksys driver. works fine and Iam running SID on a thinkpad t23 |
| 01:57.09 | tuxillo | Guerin: fixed :) |
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| 01:58.39 | Spherical` | Hm, has java-package been removed from the offical repositories? |
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| 01:58.59 | Wyzard | Spherical`: No, it's there |
| 01:59.05 | ifup | I was just trying to figure out where ndiswrapper decides which .conf file it wants to load. am not sure where it got it from originally. sleep since I installed it :) |
| 01:59.06 | zinx | !info java-package |
| 01:59.07 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.26 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 01:59.08 | Wyzard | Spherical`: It's in contrib... make sure you have that in your sources.list |
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| 02:00.00 | Aradorn | i need to setup a DNS on an internal network. Anyone have any good newbie tutorials I could read that might help me with that? |
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| 02:00.44 | dondelelcaro | Aradorn: if it's a small network, just use dnsmasq and set the ips /etc/hosts |
| 02:00.47 | dippo | bummer. i just compiled and installed ndiswrapper, but when I do iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid> |
| 02:00.54 | dippo | it still says ESSID:off/any |
| 02:00.55 | hou5ton | Does Debian update versions like Gentoo ... i.e. no complete new install, etc.? |
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| 02:01.14 | Aradorn | dondelelcaro: its about 30 nodes atm and could grow if you consider that small... |
| 02:01.19 | cheal | hou5ton: if gentoo does that, yes |
| 02:01.39 | cheal | hou5ton: the [debian] term of upgrade, BTW |
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| 02:01.51 | cheal | s/of/is |
| 02:01.59 | Wyzard | hou5ton: Yes, you can upgrade cleanly from one release to the next without having to completely reinstall |
| 02:02.02 | ygnome | help.. I have a woody athlon box. The athlon mobo has died. I have swapped in a P4 board, but I don't have a P4 kernel, and I'm having chroot problems trying to install one. |
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| 02:02.26 | hou5ton | Wyzard and cheal: Good ... that's what I'm looking for |
| 02:02.29 | Wyzard | ygnome: chroot problems? |
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| 02:03.07 | wrenchboy | does anyone know how 2 block a site my kids r veiwing |
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| 02:03.17 | gravity | wrenchboy: squid? |
| 02:03.20 | ygnome | Wyzard: yea, I get messages about read-only filesystems. Booted from a rescue cd |
| 02:03.25 | pipeline | wrenchboy: Run a local named |
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| 02:03.39 | Wyzard | ygnome: What rescue CD? |
| 02:03.45 | dondelelcaro | Aradorn: well, you can always start with dnsmasq and grow it as needed... there are quite a large numbers of howtos for setting up bind9 or bind8 |
| 02:03.50 | delysid25 | do all of the debian mirror repositories update at the same time? the reason i am asking is that i pull my debian testing updates from an mit server that still has gnome 2.8 while it seems the other servers have 2.10 in testing |
| 02:03.53 | ygnome | Wyzard: knoppix 3.1 |
| 02:04.00 | Fer_Puno | somebody isntall debian in a Compaq presario M2000 |
| 02:04.02 | Aradorn | dondelelcaro: k thanks |
| 02:04.16 | Fer_Puno | j have a little problem with my laptop |
| 02:04.17 | cheal | delysid25: no |
| 02:04.18 | Wyzard | ygnome: When Knoppix scans your drives for mountable partitions, it mounts them read-only by default |
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| 02:04.29 | Wyzard | ygnome: mount /mnt/whatever -o remount,rw |
| 02:04.34 | delysid25 | cheal> thought so....thanks |
| 02:04.37 | SimonRaven | delysid25: no they don't, but normally they should eventually sync |
| 02:04.49 | SimonRaven | (just not exactly at the same time) |
| 02:04.59 | Ramah | is there an easy way to get debian to not load x, just load a terminal login? |
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| 02:05.12 | ygnome | Wyzard: I tried that, I can get them rw in knoppix, but not in the chroot. |
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| 02:05.15 | Wyzard | Ramah: Uninstall xdm, or gdm, or kdm, whichever you're using |
| 02:05.21 | Spherical` | !info help |
| 02:05.34 | Ramah | Wyzard: Thanks |
| 02:05.46 | Wyzard | ygnome: I'm not sure what you mean by that... when you mount a filesystem read-write and then chroot onto it, it's still mounted read-write |
| 02:05.49 | cheal | !wayttd Spherical` |
| 02:05.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Spherical`? |
| 02:06.37 | LootBeer | i need to find where my mutlisync header is located, multisync.h..... pls hrelp, im installling synce!!?? |
| 02:06.55 | ygnome | Wyzard: ah. sorry. Multiple filesystems. /var and /usr are on separate fs. I can chroot into hda5 which is / ok, but that doesnt give me a usable chroot. |
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| 02:07.20 | Wyzard | ygnome: OK, so you need your other filesystems to appear within the chroot |
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| 02:07.33 | ygnome | Wyzard: check :) |
| 02:07.39 | Wyzard | ygnome: Assuming /dev/hda6 is your /var, mount --bind /mnt/hda6 /mnt/hda5/var |
| 02:07.45 | Unununium | Gag, debootstrap fails for an unspecified reason |
| 02:07.50 | Unununium | Its log is empty (zero bytes long) :^( |
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| 02:07.55 | mfrisch | ygnome chroot then mount /usr |
| 02:08.03 | Wyzard | ygnome: likewise for /usr... and you should do it for /proc and /sys too |
| 02:08.07 | ygnome | Wyzard: ok. from within the chroot or knoppix? |
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| 02:08.22 | Wyzard | ygnome: From outside the chroot (since the mountpoints aren't accessible from within it) |
| 02:08.51 | Draal | Howdy.. Interested in switching my main work station from Windows to Debian Linux ~ looking at programming enviroments and nothing seems to leap out at me |
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| 02:09.14 | gpm | hi folks. how do i prevent the screen from blanking after inactivity? using gnome-desktop-environment |
| 02:09.19 | Draal | What programs are available for the distro that work well? I'm totally lost on the topic but am interested enough to try some things out |
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| 02:09.51 | Wyzard | Draal: GCC is the standard C/C++ compiler used on Linux systems |
| 02:10.05 | ygnome | Wyzard: ok, I'll give it a go, thanks! |
| 02:10.07 | Wyzard | Draal: If you're looking for an IDE, there are a few, but none quite as good as Visual Studio |
| 02:10.07 | cheal | gpm: disable a screensaver |
| 02:10.11 | gravity | Draal: The whole thing is really a programming environment. If you want an IDE, anjuta or kdevelop are your best bets. Most UNIX developers don't use such things though. |
| 02:10.20 | Wyzard | Draal: (except for Eclipse, but that's not Linux-specific) |
| 02:10.47 | Draal | gravity: Most Unix heads stick with the console? |
| 02:10.59 | gravity | Draal: Partially. |
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| 02:11.03 | pipeline | Draal: console is for lamers |
| 02:11.09 | Wyzard | Draal: No, many people run X... just not a full integrated development environment |
| 02:11.13 | gpm | cheal: well. i don't think that xscreensaver is part of gnome-desktop-environment...the only other thing i can think of is adding xset s noblank, xset s off, xset -dpms to .xsession...which i've already done. |
| 02:11.32 | pipeline | Draal: Nice development environments: monodevelop, eclipse, Kdevelop, and, if you compile it from CVS, anjuta. |
| 02:11.41 | Wyzard | Draal: For example, I'm running Emacs (a very powerful and extensible text editor) in a large window, and next to the Emacs window is a command-prompt window where I compile and run |
| 02:12.01 | mfrisch | gpm mine does it too |
| 02:12.02 | Draal | Wyzard: Thats a bit freeform though.. |
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| 02:12.10 | Draal | More a trial, run and see what works for ya |
| 02:12.14 | gpm | mfrisch: any clues? |
| 02:12.31 | Draal | Wyzard: Emacs is lisp, right? |
| 02:12.46 | paolob | Hi guys! Is dashboard already in debian? |
| 02:12.51 | mfrisch | gpm maybe apm...but have not found anything in /etc |
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| 02:13.01 | gpm | mfrisch: thanks |
| 02:13.13 | nvz | paolob: dashboard? |
| 02:13.15 | Draal | Wyzard: I've seen Anjuta ~ not very attractive |
| 02:13.23 | nvz | dpkg, dashboard? |
| 02:13.24 | beardy | paolob: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:13.25 | gravity | Isn't dashboard named beagle now or something? |
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| 02:13.29 | cddesjar | i love R |
| 02:13.33 | gravity | cddesjar: Right on |
| 02:13.40 | paolob | nvz: yes, a proyect related to beagle |
| 02:13.42 | cddesjar | really gravity? |
| 02:13.49 | paolob | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.53 | nvz | fantastic, wtf is beagle |
| 02:14.14 | Draal | Wyzard: Where can I find out more about Emacs? |
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| 02:14.16 | Wyzard | Draal: Emacs is a text editor written largely in Lisp, but you can edit anything with it |
| 02:14.17 | gravity | cddesjar: Yeah, it's good stuff. I don't get to use it often though. |
| 02:14.32 | gravity | paolob: Beagle is in Debian. |
| 02:14.39 | gravity | Not sure if dashboard is part of that package |
| 02:14.43 | cddesjar | gravity: what did you use it for? stats? |
| 02:14.52 | Wyzard | Draal: It's better described as a "text editor and kitchen sink"... it has all sorts of things available within it (debugger interface, shell interface, IRC client, web browser, file manager, etc.) |
| 02:14.53 | paolob | gravity: I don't think so |
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| 02:15.01 | Wyzard | Draal: Just Google for "GNU Emacs", I guess |
| 02:15.11 | cddesjar | VI is the best editor |
| 02:15.17 | cheal | vim is |
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| 02:15.20 | beardy | !start an editor war |
| 02:15.20 | dpkg | ae doesn't deserve to be in red hat |
| 02:15.22 | cddesjar | though i've never used anything else |
| 02:15.23 | jim | edlin! |
| 02:15.24 | dondelelcaro | vi is crap; surely you mean vim or something else. |
| 02:15.24 | Draal | Wyzard: Alright.. But there really isn't an easy way to transition from Windows to Linux then? |
| 02:15.26 | mfrisch | vim rules |
| 02:15.27 | gravity | cddesjar: Yeah, for some basic stats stuff. Nothing too fancy. |
| 02:15.38 | cddesjar | nope i just run vi at the terminal |
| 02:15.39 | jim | ex! |
| 02:15.41 | cddesjar | and do my magic |
| 02:15.51 | gravity | Draal: The problem is that Windows and Linux are really very different. |
| 02:15.53 | SimonRaven | vim or emacs. vi is POS |
| 02:15.55 | cddesjar | ok, i'm learning it in my advanced biometrics class |
| 02:15.56 | jim | kelw3d17! |
| 02:16.00 | Draal | Gravity: I |
| 02:16.00 | cddesjar | POS? |
| 02:16.07 | Draal | Gravity: I've gathered that much |
| 02:16.07 | Wyzard | Draal: If by "transition" you mean "have an IDE that feels just like Visual Studio", then no (but I do recommend Eclipse -- it's far better than VS, IMO) |
| 02:16.08 | nvz | Piece Of Shit |
| 02:16.12 | gravity | cddesjar: Cool |
| 02:16.16 | bloom | where can I get an install disk for Debian amd64 that runs kernel 2.6.11 or later? |
| 02:16.30 | jim | cddesjar: yes, cool... |
| 02:16.33 | Wyzard | Draal: I'd consider the "transition" to be more about learning how the system works, so you can maintain it and use it most effectively |
| 02:16.35 | bloom | the installer must run 2.6.11 or later, otherwise I don't have DMA and the install takes forever |
| 02:16.36 | cddesjar | why is VI a POS? what's so great about vim or emacs? |
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| 02:16.40 | ygnome | Wyzard: do I need to make the mountpoints /mnt/hdaX/var ? |
| 02:16.41 | kjs3 | vi rox0r! |
| 02:16.44 | paolob | but dashboard is an active proyect or is it a dead one? |
| 02:16.50 | cddesjar | R is sweet stuff...you can do some great shit there |
| 02:16.53 | SimonRaven | cddesjar: use them all fora while, you'll see |
| 02:17.07 | cddesjar | i've used vi for 1.5 years...no problems here |
| 02:17.09 | jim | cddesjar: by the way, VI: file does not exist (otoh, vi does :P :) |
| 02:17.14 | SimonRaven | sorry about the lack of whitespace, my spacebar is still wonky |
| 02:17.31 | Draal | Wyzard: So you suggest its more about learning how the filesystem, GUI, etc, etc. handles in the OS? |
| 02:17.37 | Wyzard | ygnome: Well, Knoppix has already mounted your /dev/hda5 on /mnt/hda5 |
| 02:17.40 | jim | but really, it's a good thing you're learning that... it's got its charms |
| 02:17.56 | cddesjar | does anyone know how i could tell r to use firefox to open html help menus instead of konqueror? |
| 02:18.08 | ygnome | Wyzard: oh. not this version, it hasn't I have to manually do that. |
| 02:18.08 | jim | Draal: not gui really; that's totally sideline |
| 02:18.16 | Wyzard | ygnome: ah, ok |
| 02:18.19 | cheal | cddesjar: "tell r"? |
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| 02:18.27 | cddesjar | dpkg r |
| 02:18.27 | dpkg | i heard r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 02:18.36 | Wyzard | ygnome: Well, the exact mountpoints don't matter; just mount things so they'll be in the right places when you chroot |
| 02:19.20 | ygnome | Wyzard: so I should mount then bind? |
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| 02:19.20 | Draal | Jim: Getting a feel for the system I guess.. I'm looking to do some basic app and OS development |
| 02:19.20 | SimonRaven | cddesjar: set an env variable maybe, or the thing's settings |
| 02:19.20 | SimonRaven | could do both ;) |
| 02:19.22 | Wyzard | ygnome: "mount --bind" lets you make an existing directory (such as an already-mounted filesystem) appear in an additional place |
| 02:19.35 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --display vi; and be enlightened. |
| 02:19.41 | jim | Draal: ok... for app stuff, pick a toolkit and one of the languages it supports |
| 02:19.46 | SimonRaven | *sigh* just remembered i gotta see why heimdal stopped working... |
| 02:19.51 | cddesjar | you know...it might need to use konqueror b/c it's opening files in /tmp. |
| 02:19.56 | cddesjar | what's that dondelelcaro? |
| 02:19.58 | jim | for linux os stuff, it's C pretty much all the way |
| 02:20.09 | Wyzard | ygnome: But if you don't already have things mounted on /dev/hda6 and such, you might as well just mount them directly in their places under the chroot, rather than having to bind them |
| 02:20.12 | jim | if you want to do your own os, whatever you want |
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| 02:20.37 | Draal | Jim: Part of a class I'm currently taking.. Unix specifics and all that |
| 02:20.56 | ygnome | Wyzard: ok, so how would I mount hda6 so it's in the right place if / is hda5? mount --bind /dev/hda6 /mnt/hda5/var ? |
| 02:21.06 | jim | did you already do a C class with unix libs and lib calls? |
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| 02:21.25 | jim | and probably data structures too |
| 02:21.44 | ygnome | Wyzard: mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/hda5/var ? |
| 02:21.45 | teTeX | moin |
| 02:21.46 | cddesjar | dondelelcaro: what's that file suppose to be? |
| 02:21.47 | Wyzard | ygnome: If you're outside the chroot and your hda5 is mounted on /mnt/hda5, mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/hda5/var |
| 02:21.48 | Draal | Jim: Kinda, except they were peddling .NET and Visual C++ |
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| 02:22.02 | Wyzard | ygnome: If you're in the chroot, mount /dev/hda6 /var |
| 02:22.08 | ygnome | Wyzard: ok. I'll give that a go, thanks. |
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| 02:22.20 | jim | ok, so it sounds like you have some sufficient background to understand the concepts |
| 02:22.22 | hou5ton | Is there much difference between the stability of Debian vs. Gentoo? |
| 02:22.35 | jim | Gentoo can't be measured |
| 02:22.38 | laurent__ | geentoo is compiled for you computer |
| 02:22.50 | Draal | Jim: Yes.. Figured I may as well take the leap and dwelve into Linux now |
| 02:22.50 | jim | unless you measure one particular installation |
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| 02:23.08 | cddesjar | gentoo is unstable...like someone on too much coffee |
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| 02:23.13 | cddesjar | always twitching and fidgeting |
| 02:23.13 | Draal | Regardless, prices of some of the emulation software is too high for this poor student |
| 02:23.14 | gravity | I'd imagine you could measure against a non-customized gentoo. |
| 02:23.17 | gravity | No cflags or whatever |
| 02:23.25 | mwilson | gravity: But where will you find one? |
| 02:23.28 | jim | twigiting! |
| 02:23.36 | gravity | mwilson: That's the problem |
| 02:23.43 | Guerin | mwilson: give my two weeks and I'll have one ready for you. |
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| 02:23.50 | Draal | Hey guys.. I'll check out Eclipse and Emacs ~ going to do an install in a minute |
| 02:23.54 | Draal | Thanks a bunch |
| 02:24.11 | gravity | Draal: Try both emacs and vim. See which suits your fancy better, but don't deny yourself the chance |
| 02:24.18 | nimak | how do i get ESD to quit running at startup? |
| 02:24.18 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: uh, you are using Debian, right? |
| 02:24.22 | cddesjar | yup |
| 02:24.25 | gravity | nimak: Remove it? |
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| 02:24.29 | cddesjar | i see what it is alternative-updates |
| 02:24.32 | Draal | Gravity: vim? |
| 02:24.33 | cddesjar | but what does it mean? |
| 02:24.35 | jim | Draal: emacs is one of many really good choices for a programmer editor |
| 02:24.37 | cheal | Wyzard: BTW, re Flash, "Macromedia has released the specifications of the Flash file format" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_Flash) |
| 02:24.39 | nimak | it gets mad, and wants to remove a million more packages |
| 02:24.40 | scud | how to you setup a software raid after you're inital install setup? |
| 02:24.44 | gravity | Draal: Yes, another editor, like emacs. |
| 02:24.46 | peterS | Draal: both emacs and vim require learning quite a bit before you're very efficient in them. they also both have built-in tutorials so make use of them |
| 02:24.50 | jim | scud?! |
| 02:24.54 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: then you should read the output and you'll see what you're really running when you run vi. |
| 02:25.05 | dondelelcaro | it's almost certainly either vim or nvi |
| 02:25.06 | jim | umm Q{Scud}? |
| 02:25.12 | cddesjar | lol VIM |
| 02:25.13 | cddesjar | i see |
| 02:25.15 | Draal | Hmm.. Great; another learning curve.. |
| 02:25.16 | cddesjar | ok |
| 02:25.18 | gravity | heh |
| 02:25.18 | scud | ok holdon |
| 02:25.32 | jim | Draal: that you cannot help unfortunately |
| 02:25.33 | cddesjar | i see your point |
| 02:25.45 | scud | during the inital install setup, you get prmpted for partioning and the ability to configure a software raid |
| 02:25.48 | cddesjar | so how would i change an environment variable? r runs at ther terminal |
| 02:25.56 | gravity | cddesjar: export FOO=bar |
| 02:25.58 | Wyzard | cheal: "Macromedia has made the Flash Files specifications for versions 6 and later available only as a PDF under a non-disclosure agreement" ? |
| 02:26.04 | dondelelcaro | (although, it could be elvis one of the other vi/ex clones) |
| 02:26.20 | scud | which utility do i need to run to set up that agin, after i've already installed debian |
| 02:26.27 | Draal | Jim: Guess choice of GUI doesn't matter too much? |
| 02:26.33 | Draal | Was going to head with XFCE |
| 02:27.05 | jim | cddesjar, depends on what shell you use (but shells forward the setting of env vars to the process just like any other... implying that anything which runs in a process can set its own env vars) |
| 02:27.19 | cddesjar | i am running konsole |
| 02:27.34 | cddesjar | i ran export |
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| 02:27.43 | cddesjar | but i don't see anything listing a web browser of choice |
| 02:27.47 | jim | that doesn't say anything... howbout do this: echo $SHELL |
| 02:28.07 | ygnome | Wyzard: ooh.. It's working. kernel-image coming down the line now! thanks heaps for your help! |
| 02:28.09 | chant | Hey, I want to build a debian-amd64 kernel from a plain x86 device, btu with a patch applied... any hints on where I should read? |
| 02:28.16 | cddesjar | /bin/bash |
| 02:28.21 | chant | I want to use the same .config as the debian-amd64 kernel package.. |
| 02:28.30 | cddesjar | so a bash shell |
| 02:28.39 | jim | cddesjar, yeah |
| 02:28.40 | scud | jim: did my rephrase make more sense? |
| 02:29.05 | jim | scud: err :) well see, I thought I recognized your nic |
| 02:29.07 | cheal | Wyzard: hum, I didn't think "release" could mean that |
| 02:29.07 | jim | k |
| 02:29.15 | cddesjar | so how would i tell bash that i want it to open urls with firefox and not konqueror? |
| 02:29.25 | cddesjar | man bash? |
| 02:29.25 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: the web browser of choice is usually done either by using BROWSER or /usr/bin/sensible-browser |
| 02:29.46 | chant | what about /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser? |
| 02:29.56 | jim | scud: and going back reading it, it does make lots of sense |
| 02:30.02 | dondelelcaro | chant: nothing should be using that directly; that gets called via /usr/bin/sensible-browser |
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| 02:30.06 | scud | where do you think you know me from? |
| 02:30.12 | chant | cool. |
| 02:30.13 | jim | #perl |
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| 02:30.32 | jim | on efnet too |
| 02:30.39 | dondelelcaro | x-www-browser and www-browser being the default settings for /usr/bin/sensible-browser where appropriate. |
| 02:30.41 | caphuso | scud: mdadm, mostly |
| 02:30.46 | chant | anyways, no ideas on how to build kernels from kernel package sources to get the same .config as binary kernel packages? |
| 02:31.12 | scud | thats not me |
| 02:31.14 | jim | iirc, you're a tech writer? |
| 02:31.18 | jim | oh, ok |
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| 02:31.39 | caphuso | chant: cp /boot/config-whatever /path/to/kernelsrc/.config; make oldconfig |
| 02:31.47 | peterS | abrotman: so glad I went. those 3 guys were nothing short of amazing |
| 02:31.53 | Unununium | I really do give up... bye for today |
| 02:32.00 | mwilson | chant: If the configurations are the same, why do you think you need to build it yourself? |
| 02:32.01 | Flammifer | um, for a package upgrade, synaptic is telling me I need to shut down gdm ... that means shutting down the X session, right ? |
| 02:32.14 | cheal | Wyzard: does that still means that open source Flash players can be coded legally? |
| 02:32.17 | chant | mwilson : adding a patch. |
| 02:32.18 | abrotman | peterS: but you wasted .. hours! |
| 02:32.26 | chant | unfortunately I don't have /boot/config-whatever |
| 02:32.26 | jim | chant: mwilson's question does make sense... but it's easy |
| 02:32.30 | cheal | Flammifer: yes |
| 02:32.39 | cddesjar | how long has 3.4 been in sid? |
| 02:32.53 | cheal | cddesjar: 3.4 what? |
| 02:32.57 | cddesjar | kde |
| 02:33.04 | jim | chant: not at all? what happened to it? it wasn't a debian package in the first place? or? |
| 02:33.11 | WALoeIII | what is the kernel distributed with sarge |
| 02:33.12 | cheal | cddesjar: it's not there yet completely |
| 02:33.13 | peterS | abrotman: the one guy Subash Chandran is apparently one of the best in the world at "konnakol", a style of vocal rhythms. like a cappella rap only much much much more talented |
| 02:33.14 | WALoeIII | 2.6.9? |
| 02:33.18 | cddesjar | kde3.4 |
| 02:33.25 | cheal | WALoeIII: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 02:33.31 | jim | WALoeIII: 2.4.25 or 2.6.8 |
| 02:33.31 | abrotman | peterS: did you buy a CD? |
| 02:33.39 | jim | err 27 I guess :) |
| 02:33.41 | cheal | cddesjar: yes, as the factoid says |
| 02:33.43 | peterS | abrotman: $15, I didn't have it on me and that's more than I wanted to spend anyway. so no |
| 02:33.47 | WALoeIII | do they update the kernel often? |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | peterS: ah .. oh well .. |
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| 02:33.59 | jim | not ever. sarge is released. |
| 02:33.59 | chant | jim: I haven't installed yet... |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | peterS: i need to buy a CD for a local girl .. she's damn good |
| 02:34.08 | WALoeIII | they never update the kernel? |
| 02:34.09 | chant | jmg: I'm trying to update the kernel for debian-installer to work w/ my ethernet card |
| 02:34.12 | chant | I need to build an updated module |
| 02:34.14 | cddesjar | why are they going to be releasing security updates for etch? |
| 02:34.17 | jim | not ever, no. |
| 02:34.18 | cheal | WALoeIII: um, who? |
| 02:34.21 | chant | with a patch that went in to 2.6.13-mm2 |
| 02:34.22 | cddesjar | i thought they didn't do security updates for testing? |
| 02:34.22 | jim | not after release. |
| 02:34.34 | cheal | cddesjar: to make etch more secure? |
| 02:34.36 | jim | no, they don't |
| 02:34.38 | WALoeIII | ok, so I should run testing if I want a more up to date kernel |
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| 02:34.43 | jim | (testing is etch btw) |
| 02:34.50 | cddesjar | well sure...but i thought they didn't have time |
| 02:34.58 | WALoeIII | for a development box, thats not mission critical |
| 02:35.00 | WALoeIII | should I run testing |
| 02:35.05 | WALoeIII | to stay up on the latest software? |
| 02:35.05 | cheal | cddesjar: "they" d*i*dn't |
| 02:35.05 | cddesjar | and that security and updates mix complexly |
| 02:35.28 | jim | WALoeIII: well, you actually can update your kernel yourself, or possibly use later kernel .debs |
| 02:35.36 | cddesjar | cheal: are you a developer? |
| 02:35.37 | cheal | WALoeIII: that's indeed the only way |
| 02:35.37 | dondelelcaro | WALoeIII: either that or unstable; you can always run stable in chroots if you need it. |
| 02:35.48 | cheal | cddesjar: do I look like a developer? |
| 02:35.50 | WALoeIII | yeah, but I want to keep a whole system synched |
| 02:35.54 | jim | and you can get anything that's available from debian; that part is no problem |
| 02:35.57 | WALoeIII | I don't need to run unstable |
| 02:35.58 | cddesjar | how the fuck do i know? |
| 02:36.02 | cddesjar | what's a develop look like |
| 02:36.03 | cddesjar | er |
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| 02:36.12 | cddesjar | i use testing |
| 02:36.15 | WALoeIII | there is no security for anything but stable right? |
| 02:36.15 | cddesjar | no issues...quite stable |
| 02:36.27 | cheal | cddesjar: for one thing, hes not on #debian. with a few exceptions :) |
| 02:36.42 | jim | two eyes, two legs, two feet, two arms, two hands, two heads, two necks, two hairs...\ |
| 02:36.43 | cddesjar | more stable than other distros |
| 02:36.45 | gravity | There's a few developers around |
| 02:36.46 | cheal | WALoeIII: testing and unstable now have some security |
| 02:37.10 | gravity | Although we seem to have gone back to the heady days of three weeks ago now that things have settled down again :-p |
| 02:37.15 | WALoeIII | ok, I think I'll run testing then, I did that for a while |
| 02:37.17 | cddesjar | ok i need to get back to r |
| 02:37.35 | cheal | gravity: hum, what do you mean? |
| 02:37.46 | gravity | cheal: Never mind. It's not important. |
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| 02:37.55 | jim | so no more bots? |
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| 02:40.44 | scud | is there a boot flag on the install cd #1 to install only minimal install? |
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| 02:41.07 | ygnome | Wyzard: nearly there. I'm having problems with /dev/null and mkinitrd /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/null: permission denied |
| 02:41.28 | jim | well, you can do minimal install without a flag |
| 02:41.34 | ygnome | Wyzard: should I link it before chrooting? |
| 02:41.52 | jim | you just don't install anything after the first reboot after base install |
| 02:42.02 | scud | ok |
| 02:43.10 | SimonRaven | ygnome: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-03-27 19:38 /dev/null # if it's not that, then you need to fix it |
| 02:44.07 | ygnome | SimonRaven: this is withing a chroot. can I just mknod it? |
| 02:44.10 | host` | alright, is there a way to dpkg more than one file? |
| 02:44.19 | host` | I need to dpkg a file and it's dependencies |
| 02:44.20 | gravity | dpkg more than one file? |
| 02:44.20 | dondelelcaro | host`: dpkg -i foo bar baz bleh |
| 02:44.21 | SimonRaven | sure |
| 02:44.50 | SimonRaven | mknod -m 666 /dev/null c 1 3 or such |
| 02:45.02 | Wyzard | ygnome: Knoppix's generated /etc/fstab mounts with the "nodev" and "noexec" options, IIRC |
| 02:45.11 | Wyzard | ygnome: You'll have to override that |
| 02:45.19 | SimonRaven | ooh, that would do it too |
| 02:45.36 | SimonRaven | mount -o remount,dev /foo/bar or similar |
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| 02:47.56 | host` | last question, if I was trying to install something in my other kernel(ndiswrapper) and it started giving me unmet dependencies for every file I tried to install with this kernel for that file.... and I hit 'apt-get -f install' would it only remove the installation files, or would it removes the other instances of that program that were already installed |
| 02:48.27 | host` | I would clarify that |
| 02:48.41 | host` | could* |
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| 02:49.23 | bob2 | you need to be more specific |
| 02:49.27 | host` | I was trying to install ndiswrapper, it said I needed ndiswrapper-utils |
| 02:49.27 | bob2 | e.g. show us the error |
| 02:49.52 | host` | I tried installing ndiswrapper-utils, it said I needed ndiswrapper |
| 02:50.04 | Xenguy | .o(the devil is in the details >:-]} |
| 02:50.11 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 02:50.16 | quex | is there any way to get the gnome menu to recognize newly installed programs without restarting the X server? |
| 02:50.27 | gravity | quex: It should already do that by default |
| 02:50.40 | quex | seems like i need to restart it every time :/ |
| 02:50.43 | host` | when I switched back to my old kernel, EVERY package I tried to install said I needed those two files |
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| 02:51.28 | vladuz976 | anybody know how i can get rid of gdm and log in withough display mangaer |
| 02:51.35 | SimonRaven | @nodm |
| 02:51.35 | ravenbird | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 02:51.37 | gravity | vladuz976: Just remove the package |
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| 02:52.15 | host` | alright, pastebin, here it goes, I'll put it in there |
| 02:52.21 | vladuz976 | gravity, i wanna keep it but not use it |
| 02:52.38 | gravity | vladuz976: Ok, then maybe go for the last thing ravenbird said |
| 02:52.45 | gravity | That's probably easiest |
| 02:53.02 | gravity | You could also have fun with your symlinks in /etc |
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| 02:53.43 | ygnome | Wyzard: SimonRaven: So, should I mount --remount,dev /dev/null /mnt/hda5/dev/null lost here... Or should I mount knoppix's dev over the chroots completely? |
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| 02:54.26 | SimonRaven | ygnome: no. re-read what i said |
| 02:54.33 | Draal | Hello again.. 1) Debian CDs ~ does the complete set contain all Debian packages? 2) How can I check what CD's contain which packages? |
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| 02:54.45 | SimonRaven | SimonRaven mount -o remount,dev /foo/bar or similar |
| 02:55.21 | ygnome | SimonRaven: hmm. but what should I use for /foo/bar? |
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| 02:56.08 | SimonRaven | your dir you want to remount (fucking sticky spacebar grr), probably /mnt/hda5 |
| 02:56.37 | ygnome | SimonRaven: /dev/null within the chroot is exactly as u say it should be, btw |
| 02:57.05 | abrotman | !tell Draal about cd contents |
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| 02:57.19 | ygnome | SimonRaven: ok, so I want to remount /dev over the chrott's dev dir? |
| 02:57.30 | SimonRaven | ygnome: sure, with the remouting dev files shouldwork now |
| 02:57.32 | SimonRaven | no |
| 02:57.34 | host` | here is my question really right now |
| 02:57.45 | Draal | Abrotman: Thank you |
| 02:57.55 | SimonRaven | don't make it more complicated than it needs to be |
| 02:58.02 | abrotman | you're welcome |
| 02:58.12 | cheal | Draal: 1) yes |
| 02:58.13 | host` | ould it be okay for me to install ndiswrapper for a 2.6.8 machine on a 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 02:58.18 | host` | would* |
| 02:58.18 | SimonRaven | all you're doing isremouting that dir sothat dev files can be accessed |
| 02:58.21 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 02:58.32 | SimonRaven | see what i mean about that sp bar? sheesh |
| 02:58.51 | jim | host`: if it's a module, probably that's not a good idea |
| 02:58.54 | SimonRaven | and i cleaned it last month... |
| 02:59.00 | host` | both 686 |
| 02:59.02 | host` | but yes |
| 02:59.09 | host` | I can't compile it |
| 02:59.16 | jim | maybe that's why it;s doing it |
| 02:59.31 | maher | host`: no - modules usually only work with the kernel they were compiled for |
| 02:59.36 | ygnome | SimonRaven: ok, I have to admit being lost. are u talking about remounting it in knoppix because knoppix is not mounted correctly to start with? |
| 02:59.40 | maher | host`: why not use a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 02:59.41 | jim | mmmm... fresh choice restaurant is a ggooooddd place to eat |
| 02:59.44 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 02:59.49 | host` | I'm using tha tnow |
| 02:59.52 | b0xy | my black iPod nano will be on its way tomorrow via 2-3 day shipping :D |
| 03:00.01 | b0xy | yum. |
| 03:00.18 | host` | maher, yeah, I'm using tha tnow |
| 03:00.23 | host` | that* |
| 03:00.33 | SimonRaven | ygnome: well yeh, isn't it where this is? |
| 03:00.35 | abrotman | addict |
| 03:00.36 | jim | so what is ndiswrapper anyway? I know what it is (little bit), but what form does it take? |
| 03:00.44 | host` | maher, but I want to switch to a better kernel |
| 03:00.47 | jim | !dict ad |
| 03:00.50 | dpkg | Dictionary 'ad' (5): Administrative Domain ;; 220 aspen.miranda.org dictd 1.9.15/rf on Linux 2.4.27-2-k7 <auth.mime> <7298591.10092.1126753248@aspen.miranda.org> 150 2 definitions retrieved 151 "ad" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" AD ;; <networking> The country code for Andorra. ;; (1999-01-26) ;; . 151 "ad" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" ad. |
| 03:01.10 | maher | host`: well - fix nsdiswrapper to compile with the newer kernel |
| 03:01.19 | host` | ndiswrapper uses windows wireless lan adapters to connect to networks |
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| 03:01.30 | jim | host`: "better"? if everything works good, you don't have to bother :) |
| 03:01.46 | host` | everything doesn't work good |
| 03:01.50 | ygnome | SimonRaven: well, /me is confused about if you are talking chroot or knoppix, but we're getting there. |
| 03:01.50 | AP03 | i have a shared fat32 partition that only non root users have write access to - how can i change that? |
| 03:02.00 | jim | switch if you have a specific reason... like "I want to play with _____ feature" |
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| 03:02.24 | host` | and no, I need ncruses-devel to compile a kernel, which I need to start before I can install ndiswrapper |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 03:02.26 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 03:02.28 | maher | AP03: only non root users? |
| 03:02.46 | jim | ncurses-dev might be the name |
| 03:02.47 | AP03 | maher: root can write of course but non root users cant and i would like them to |
| 03:02.51 | host` | yes |
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| 03:03.06 | host` | but I can't find a .deb for echt |
| 03:03.10 | maher | AP03: see what dpkg said |
| 03:03.10 | jim | search on packages.debian.org for ncurses |
| 03:03.28 | SimonRaven | ygnome: ok. AIUI, the problem is the chrooted dir has been mounted with nodev option. what we're doing is setting itso /dev/null and any other dev files are accessible |
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| 03:03.59 | host` | jim, would that be kernel version specific? |
| 03:04.40 | SimonRaven | ygnome: then youcan run mkinitrd or whatever you were doing in the chroot |
| 03:04.56 | ygnome | SimonRaven: so I remount my chroot's / with the ,dev option, ok? |
| 03:05.03 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 03:05.17 | SimonRaven | like i described above, with the -o option |
| 03:05.23 | ygnome | SimonRaven: gotcha. thanks. :) |
| 03:05.25 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 03:06.17 | KrOnOSX | what is the name of the apt-get ZLIB package ? |
| 03:06.20 | host` | bbl |
| 03:07.14 | ygnome | SimonRaven: Wyzard: worked. Now for the perilous reboot... :) |
| 03:07.33 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 03:07.58 | peterS | KrOnOSX: zlib1g |
| 03:08.04 | KrOnOSX | thnx |
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| 03:08.15 | peterS | KrOnOSX: but you probably don't want that, you probably want zlib1g-dev |
| 03:08.17 | SimonRaven | peterS: ! |
| 03:08.37 | SimonRaven | zlib1g is probably installed already ;) |
| 03:08.38 | peterS | hey, SimonRaven |
| 03:08.54 | SimonRaven | peterS: tansi kiya? |
| 03:09.08 | KrOnOSX | peterS dude... i think you where the guy that helped me like 2-3 years ago :) |
| 03:09.18 | KrOnOSX | when i used to have debian a long time ago :) |
| 03:09.22 | peterS | KrOnOSX: haha. I joined this channel almost exactly 2 years ago, so it's possible |
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| 03:09.28 | KrOnOSX | LOL :) |
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| 03:10.04 | peterS | SimonRaven: alors, ça va bien |
| 03:10.11 | SimonRaven | cool |
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| 03:11.18 | peterS | come to think of it, I first joined this channel on 6 or 7 September 2003. so yeah it's been just over 2 years. I didn't celebrate or anything. |
| 03:11.26 | gravity | Heh |
| 03:11.30 | paonia2 | I am trying to build 2.6.12-1-686-smp with reiser4. I know how to build the kernel what I am getting stuck on it apply the debian patches as well as the debian reiser4 patches |
| 03:11.54 | AP03 | if i change soemthing in fstab do i have to reboot to see the changes? |
| 03:12.13 | paonia2 | ap03: maybe what are u changing? |
| 03:12.20 | AP03 | panthera: a shared vfat part |
| 03:12.34 | ygnome | SimonRaven: thanks mate, it's up and going. the mail floodgates have re-opened, we are happy.... |
| 03:12.43 | Wyzard | paonia2: reiser4 is a large patch... wouldn't surprise me at all if it conflicts with stuff |
| 03:12.51 | ygnome | Wyzard: and you too mate :) |
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| 03:12.55 | cadu_ | !nerim |
| 03:12.56 | dpkg | from memory, nerim is http://hpisi.nerim.net/ , a place to get many sound&video editing tools, including mplayer & other fine programs. |
| 03:13.02 | Wyzard | ygnome: np :-) |
| 03:13.07 | AP03 | paonia2: a vfat part |
| 03:13.31 | paonia2 | ap03: u will need to reboot or umount and mount it |
| 03:13.40 | AP03 | k |
| 03:13.41 | AP03 | thx |
| 03:13.56 | SimonRaven | ygnome: yay |
| 03:14.11 | paonia2 | wyzard: nod the problem is I am not clear on how to apply the debian kernel patchs with make-kpkg |
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| 03:14.19 | mazeman | hi, I am looking for a VPN client (IPSEC,PSK) is there any for debian other than OpenSwan or a GUI? thx! |
| 03:14.24 | kadigibox | where should I install JRE on debian? |
| 03:14.28 | Wyzard | paonia2: oh... --added-patches=reiser4 |
| 03:14.29 | kadigibox | /usr/java? |
| 03:14.30 | abrotman | !install java |
| 03:14.30 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 03:14.33 | peterS | mazeman: well, if you don't insist on it being ipsec, you can use openvpn or tinc |
| 03:14.45 | Wyzard | paonia2: If you're adding patches, I suggest kernel-patch-debianlogo too :-) |
| 03:14.49 | peterS | mazeman: I think both of those have win32 versions, I know tinc does. tinc also supports solaris as well as any linux kernel |
| 03:15.08 | mazeman | peterS: has to be IPSEC, its a propietary Netscreen server |
| 03:15.13 | paonia2 | Wyzard: I mean -6 patches to 2.6.12 |
| 03:15.17 | jim | kadigibox: you should probably do the java debian package thing |
| 03:15.19 | peterS | mazeman: with either openvpn or tinc, you have to run the same software on all tunnel endpoints. that's the disadvantage, since ipsec is supported natively in other vendor products |
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| 03:15.37 | Wyzard | paonia2: KPATCH_reiser4=2.6.6 (as an environment variable) |
| 03:15.45 | kadigibox | hmm didnt know there was a package on debian. last time I checked there wasnt one |
| 03:15.49 | jim | (you should not disturb ANYTHING in /usr OTHER than /usr/local or /usr/src) |
| 03:15.59 | Wyzard | paonia2: You might need to do that for debianlogo too, if you use it |
| 03:16.18 | Overand | hey, is there a 'user friendly' task manager i can point my friend who uses gnome to? |
| 03:16.25 | peterS | mazeman: unfortunately I've never learned about the various things needed for ipsec support in debian, so I can't advise there |
| 03:16.28 | Overand | something to kill dead tasks, GUI based |
| 03:16.39 | peterS | mazeman: the problem with ipsec is the whole thing is overengineered and complex, and the tools don't really simplify it for you |
| 03:16.41 | Loof | Any easy way to get a list of installed packages from one system and push it over to another...so that both end up with the same packages installed? |
| 03:16.50 | paonia2 | Wyzard: I am not have trouble getting the reiser4 stuff in. It the patch-debian stuff I am not getting included |
| 03:16.56 | peterS | Loof: dpkg --get-selections, dpkg --set-selections |
| 03:17.07 | mazeman | peterS: thx man |
| 03:17.25 | Wyzard | paonia2: Are you starting with a Debian kernel-source (or linux-source) package, or kernel.org sources? |
| 03:17.28 | gravity | Overand: gnome-system-monitor |
| 03:17.45 | paonia2 | ! |
| 03:17.52 | Overand | gravity: thanks |
| 03:18.05 | jim | wasn't there a 3d space shootemup where the targets were unix processes |
| 03:18.20 | Wyzard | paonia2: The Debian {kernel,linux}-source packages have those Debian patches already applied |
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| 03:18.32 | gravity | jim: There was a doom one |
| 03:18.42 | jim | oh really :) |
| 03:18.48 | paonia2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:19.04 | foreyez | newbie question: how do i search for a file w/ subdirectories included? |
| 03:19.24 | Wyzard | paonia2: No, apt-get install a kernel-source (or linux-source, if you're using sid and want the newer ones) package |
| 03:19.28 | peterS | paonia2: no, the normal procedure is apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 03:19.35 | bob2 | foreyez: find /dir -name whatever |
| 03:19.38 | paonia2 | foreyez: find . - -name "*filename*" -=print |
| 03:19.40 | jim | foreyez: look into find |
| 03:19.43 | peterS | paonia2: it's one of those weird things, a package with source code *in* it |
| 03:20.03 | jim | and probably xargs (to -do- things with each found thing) |
| 03:20.11 | foreyez | tnx |
| 03:20.13 | kingsley__ | foreyez: locate <filename> |
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| 03:21.39 | Dalroth | I have a software raid, and every time I reboot it comes up degraded and I have to manually add (mdadm -add) the second drive. Any advice on how I can fix this? |
| 03:21.42 | paonia2 | peters/Wyzard: thanks |
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| 03:22.04 | bob2 | Dalroth: does the config list both? |
| 03:22.09 | Dalroth | yes |
| 03:22.23 | mwilson | bob2: mdadm... he's probably configless. |
| 03:22.26 | Dalroth | if you mean /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf it looks fine as far as I can tell |
| 03:22.41 | mwilson | Or not. |
| 03:22.43 | Loof | peterS: Thanks. I knew there had to be an easy way to do that :) |
| 03:22.56 | kingsley__ | Dalroth: Search google's web and usenet archives for "mdadm -add", or add it to a script that's executed at boot time. |
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| 03:23.38 | mwilson | Or actually read the boot log, and find out why the kernel thinks the array is degraded. |
| 03:24.00 | Dalroth | I've done that, but there's a lot of unrelated junk that's hard to filter out. The thing is, I shouldn't have to manually add it, I never had to in previous installs, this has only happened since I upgraded to sarge |
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| 03:24.25 | Dalroth | I'll double check the kernel log, but I don't recall seeing anything last time I looked |
| 03:24.31 | jim | Dalroth: unrelated? does the related stuff have a common string you can grep for? |
| 03:24.50 | jim | like... |
| 03:24.55 | jim | "raid" |
| 03:24.56 | jim | ? |
| 03:25.17 | Dalroth | sure, I mean, it's not like I haven't looked via google and a number of different keyword combinations |
| 03:25.23 | Dalroth | I'm here because google failed me :') |
| 03:25.49 | jim | occasionally I yearn for extra stretchin room :)_ |
| 03:26.11 | jim | Dalroth: oic, but I mean the log files |
| 03:26.11 | kadigibox | ok what is being said by dpkg is not working for installing java |
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| 03:26.27 | kadigibox | its a different version of JRE then what is mentioned |
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| 03:26.44 | Wyzard | kadigibox: It misdetects what JRE version you're installing? |
| 03:26.50 | jim | kadigibox: ok, so you installed "java-package"? |
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| 03:27.03 | soonf00 | Is it possible to go straight to TESTING from a Stable minimal install boot CD? |
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| 03:27.14 | kadigibox | yah I installed java-package |
| 03:27.16 | jim | soonf00: sure |
| 03:27.18 | kadigibox | and fakeroot |
| 03:27.26 | Wyzard | soonf00: Probably, using expert mode, but directly installing testing might not work |
| 03:27.27 | soonf00 | i dont want to download all the stable packages, then do an upgrade to testing |
| 03:27.31 | jim | kadigibox: ok,,, and you got a jre .bin? |
| 03:27.36 | kadigibox | yes I do |
| 03:27.37 | soonf00 | Wyzard, oh why not? |
| 03:27.47 | kadigibox | but fakeroot aborts |
| 03:27.55 | eXa_bOy | my ftpd is erroring : dev2 ftpd[1003]: getpeername (/usr/libexec/ftpd): Socket operation on non-socket |
| 03:28.07 | jim | ok, take a look at /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
| 03:28.08 | Wyzard | soonf00: It isn't tested for installability... there might be bugs that don't occur when upgrading, but do when installing directly |
| 03:28.08 | soonf00 | Wyzard, so the recommended method is to download all packages for STABLE then dist-upgrade to TESTING? |
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| 03:28.18 | Wyzard | soonf00: That's the usual way to do it, yes |
| 03:28.32 | gravity | soonf00: You can install just a stable base and then upgrade |
| 03:28.32 | jim | see if the name of the .bin file you got matches what's in SUPPORTED |
| 03:28.35 | Wyzard | soonf00: You're free to try installing testing directly, but just be aware that it might fail |
| 03:28.47 | soonf00 | Wyzard, do i have to edit out all the stable lines in sources.list and change with testing? |
| 03:29.00 | gravity | method |
| 03:29.02 | soonf00 | or is there an easier way |
| 03:29.19 | gravity | soonf00: No, that's the way. It's not really hard. |
| 03:29.21 | kadigibox | the site says "fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin" but could it be a problem that I have "jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin"? |
| 03:29.22 | Wyzard | soonf00: Easier? Replacing a few words in a text file isn't very difficult. |
| 03:29.31 | jim | there are lots of ways... dunno which is easier/harder |
| 03:29.37 | soonf00 | Wyzard, lol, sure i can do it with sed -i |
| 03:29.50 | Wyzard | kadigibox: You just said the same filename twice |
| 03:30.01 | soonf00 | one last thing, aptitude or apt-get ?? |
| 03:30.02 | kadigibox | oups |
| 03:30.04 | Wyzard | kadigibox: But yes, naturally, you'd run make-jpkg with the name of the .bin file that you downloaded |
| 03:30.08 | Guerin | i'm glad it wasn't just me who thought that |
| 03:30.11 | gravity | soonf00: aptitude |
| 03:30.12 | kadigibox | jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin |
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| 03:30.18 | Wyzard | kadigibox: The filename mentioned in the directions is just an example |
| 03:30.35 | jim | kadigibox: what says SUPPORTED? |
| 03:30.37 | kadigibox | well fakeroot does not want to do it |
| 03:30.44 | soonf00 | gravity, is that the new default? i like aptitude better anyways |
| 03:30.57 | Wyzard | kadigibox: You'll have to explain that in more detail than "does not want to" |
| 03:31.07 | jim | fakefoot is only for if you don't have real feet! |
| 03:31.19 | gravity | soonf00: There isn't really a default, but it's the recommended method |
| 03:31.21 | Wyzard | No, fakeroot is the preferred way to run make-jpkg |
| 03:31.29 | Guerin | fakefoot isn't, though |
| 03:31.33 | jim | oh, fakeROOT |
| 03:31.37 | jim | oops :) |
| 03:31.39 | soonf00 | "Security Hole found in Dave's Sock!" |
| 03:31.39 | Guerin | unless you don't have real feet, in which case it's acceptable |
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| 03:32.25 | Wyzard | ah... hehe, I hadn't noticed the difference there |
| 03:32.26 | kadigibox | Oh nevermind |
| 03:32.30 | jim | fakefoot just gives you more unreal feet, not sure that's desirable |
| 03:32.38 | kadigibox | I had to NOT be in su to run fakeroot |
| 03:32.42 | xixor | yo |
| 03:32.54 | Wyzard | kadigibox: The idea of fakeroot is that you don't need to actually be root |
| 03:33.04 | Wyzard | kadigibox: It's a safety thing |
| 03:33.09 | kadigibox | well I had to be root to apt-get and I forgot to exit |
| 03:33.18 | kadigibox | but no one told me anything about it |
| 03:33.27 | Dalroth | looks like I've finally found something... nothing concrete yet, but it looks like it's a lvm on raid (or vice versa) problem. I forget which I had on top of which :) |
| 03:33.39 | jim | oh <jox!x> |
| 03:33.45 | Wyzard | Dalroth: I'm using lvm-on-RAID |
| 03:33.49 | maher | kadigibox: the error message tells you |
| 03:34.04 | Wyzard | I've even installed sarge on lvm-on-encrypted-RAID |
| 03:34.05 | soonf00 | does anyone know what are the major differences between PURE debian and all these "based-on" distros? |
| 03:34.08 | Dalroth | Wyzard: http://www.linuxarkivet.se/mlists/debian-user/0412/msg01000.html this guy seems to be having the same problem |
| 03:34.26 | jim | Wyzard: how's that working for ya? |
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| 03:34.35 | Dalroth | except I could hot add it |
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| 03:34.49 | Wyzard | jim: Well, I overwrote that install with Gentoo because I didn't really have a use for it anyway except as a novelty, but it worked fine while it was there |
| 03:34.51 | kadigibox | not realy. It just said aborted |
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| 03:35.07 | kadigibox | hey can you use fakeroot for all .bin files? |
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| 03:35.25 | SimonRaven | duh... forgot i was building in a chroot.... |
| 03:35.34 | Wyzard | Dalroth: I dunno about that, sorry... haven't seen that problem |
| 03:35.41 | beardy | soonf00: It differs. They have different goals, and therefor differ in different ways. |
| 03:35.43 | Wyzard | Dalroth: I only have md0, though... no multiple arrays |
| 03:35.49 | jim | kadigibox: well... fakeroot is normally used to build packages, and is for certain things like when you have to chmod something in a package to root |
| 03:35.53 | Dalroth | Wyzard: at least I know I'm not alone now :) |
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| 03:36.14 | soonf00 | what is the new unstable called sid+1? |
| 03:36.20 | jim | sid |
| 03:36.21 | beardy | !sid |
| 03:36.22 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 03:36.25 | sigma957 | unstable is always sid |
| 03:36.29 | jim | sid is sid old |
| 03:36.33 | jim | sid is sid new |
| 03:36.39 | beardy | !unstable |
| 03:36.39 | dpkg | hmm... unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 03:36.40 | jim | sis is sid always |
| 03:36.45 | jim | in't that koo? |
| 03:36.52 | Wyzard | kadigibox: fakeroot is for running commands and making them think they're root... it has nothing to do with .bin files inherently |
| 03:37.06 | Wyzard | kadigibox: The .bin file just happens to be something that the make-jpkg program uses |
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| 03:37.27 | Mayhem | Has anyone else got duplicated entries in their Gnome->Debian menu since upgrading to 2.10? |
| 03:37.50 | Wyzard | Mayhem: For a while, but they've mostly gone away as other packages got upgraded |
| 03:37.57 | jim | really, sid is only sid-current... no previous context/status is kept except when backing up I guess |
| 03:38.02 | Wyzard | Mayhem: I'm running sid, though, so the 2.10 transition happened months ago for me |
| 03:38.13 | kadigibox | well is there a way to make deb packages with bin files? |
| 03:38.35 | Mayhem | Wyzard, ok. They just hit testing, but can't find any new comments on menu probs. |
| 03:38.38 | soonf00 | !testing |
| 03:38.38 | dpkg | i guess testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 03:38.40 | Nitroglyzerin | Hey I have a really good idea. |
| 03:38.55 | jim | kadigibox: well... so what does SUPPORTED say about which .bins you can use? |
| 03:38.56 | Wyzard | kadigibox: There's nothing special about ".bin files"... no standard format or anything |
| 03:39.20 | Nitroglyzerin | .bin files are usually ran from a shell. |
| 03:39.21 | Wyzard | kadigibox: make-jpkg makes .deb packages out of Sun Java releases, which happen to be distributed in files whose names end with ".bin" |
| 03:39.25 | Nitroglyzerin | Such as the .bin you get for java stuff. |
| 03:39.26 | jim | kadigibox: umma gumma foo froo SUPPORTED yousa? |
| 03:39.41 | Wyzard | kadigibox: The reason make-jpkg works is because it knows the specific workings of a Sun Java release, not because the file is named ".bin" |
| 03:39.42 | jim | let's see, is there any other way to ask that? :P |
| 03:40.31 | jim | I guess it doesn't matter, any way I ask yields ignorance :) |
| 03:40.41 | Wyzard | kadigibox: It doesn't extend to other files, (whose contents could be anything), which happen to have names ending in ".bin" |
| 03:41.30 | jim | kadigibox: muma say muma saw mako mako suma SUPPORTED? |
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| 03:41.55 | Guerin | holy crap |
| 03:41.59 | jim | (yes, singing soul makosa might be a way to ask too) |
| 03:42.10 | Guerin | i just got given a huge box o' seaweed as a thanksgiving present |
| 03:42.21 | schnable | hi, im about to apt-get upgrade my etch from xfree86 to xorg... is there anything i need to know |
| 03:42.27 | jim | is that good? :) |
| 03:42.34 | rixth | schnable, not really. Upgrading is a sinc |
| 03:42.39 | rixth | Erm, sinch* |
| 03:42.51 | Mayhem | schnable, I just did it, and it went smoothly |
| 03:42.51 | Wyzard | cinch? |
| 03:42.56 | schnable | settings will migrate ok? |
| 03:43.05 | rixth | Wyzard, probably. schnable yes, in most cases |
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| 03:43.12 | schnable | thats good |
| 03:43.17 | schnable | what is the xorg conf file |
| 03:43.41 | rixth | schnable, /etc/xorg.conf |
| 03:43.45 | Guerin | schnable: it'll be migrated for you |
| 03:43.46 | Wyzard | schnable: You can just rename your existing XF86Config-4 file to xorg.conf |
| 03:43.53 | Wyzard | schnable: if it doesn't happen automatically |
| 03:44.01 | schnable | i see, the syntax is the same? |
| 03:44.02 | kadigibox | Firefox is still saying I need JRE |
| 03:44.05 | Wyzard | schnable: xorg is basically the same as XFree86 |
| 03:44.06 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.18 | Guerin | !iydkdg rixth |
| 03:44.19 | dpkg | rixth: If You Don't Know, Don't Guess... |
| 03:44.23 | jim | kadigibox: did java-package run? |
| 03:44.29 | kadigibox | yes |
| 03:44.35 | jim | ok look in .. |
| 03:44.36 | rixth | /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Sorry schnable, fuck you Guerin |
| 03:44.40 | Wyzard | schnable: It's based on the XFree86 code, with some newer development beyond that. Just think of it as an ordinary upgrade to a newer version, which happens to have a new name. |
| 03:44.46 | Guerin | rixth: charming. |
| 03:45.04 | schnable | cool, can i expect any noticible differences? |
| 03:45.08 | rixth | I can't even remember. Got it wrong that time too. |
| 03:45.09 | Guerin | schnable: not really. |
| 03:45.10 | jim | charming... marching.... same letters... |
| 03:45.23 | damog | rixth: Please, be careful with your words. |
| 03:45.25 | Wyzard | schnable: not really |
| 03:45.34 | rixth | Wait. Okay, it _is_ in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 03:45.50 | kadigibox | and now firefox crashed..... |
| 03:45.54 | rixth | damog, pfft, and Guerin is just perfect. He _never_ swears. |
| 03:46.05 | Mayhem | yet strangely, the log file is /var/log/Xorg.0.log with a capital X |
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| 03:46.23 | jim | I am Log of Xorg |
| 03:46.29 | damog | rixth: I don't care, just please stay cool. |
| 03:46.43 | metaperl | what's it like to use unstable Debian? I use testing but sometimes wish for newer stuff... I dont want broken software though |
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| 03:47.23 | nimak | unstable is usually quite stable, from what iv heard |
| 03:47.27 | jim | metaperl: brokenness extends also to relations between packages... sometimes resulting in a package not installable |
| 03:47.48 | metaperl | jim: you mean the synchronization between pkgs is not so good in unstable? |
| 03:47.55 | jim | :) |
| 03:47.56 | dondelelcaro | nimak: it can be, but it can also break spectacularly. |
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| 03:48.07 | metaperl | nimak: *heard* ?! ack, 1st hand data please :) |
| 03:48.17 | dondelelcaro | if you're unfamiliar with the ways in which unstable can break in spectacular fashion, you shouldn't be using it. |
| 03:48.18 | jim | you have an artist's way with understatement :) |
| 03:48.40 | metaperl | dondelelcaro: thanks for the feedback. with testing I shall remain |
| 03:48.40 | jim | I have two hands! which one is my first??! |
| 03:48.50 | Wyzard | metaperl: I've been running unstable for about five years and I've never needed to reinstall or anything... stuff breaks occasionally, but rarely severely |
| 03:48.58 | metaperl | Wyzard: interesting |
| 03:49.05 | beardy | jim: The one you write with? |
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| 03:49.22 | metaperl | Wyzard: do you run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade daily via cron or something? |
| 03:49.37 | jim | hmm, should I go to vinnies and jam |
| 03:49.44 | Wyzard | metaperl: Minor breakage (a package not installable due to its dependencies not being uploaded yet, a new version of something which has a small bug, etc.) are more common... don't run it if you're not prepared to deal with those |
| 03:49.46 | dondelelcaro | jim: smack yourself in the head with both hands; repeat until one hits before the other. That one is your first hand. |
| 03:49.53 | Wyzard | metaperl: Manually, not by cron, but yes, pretty much daily |
| 03:50.05 | jim | that's virulent! |
| 03:50.35 | schnable | i just did my xorg update.. got this message: |
| 03:50.36 | jim | I could watch 3 stooges and watch for curly's example |
| 03:50.58 | jim | "displays are irrelevent." |
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| 03:51.16 | schnable | Not update /etc/X11/xorg.conf; file has been customized |
| 03:51.17 | Wyzard | metaperl: For example: I'm currently having to hold back the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage, because the new version has an unmet dependency, so aptitude wants to remove it, and along with it, all the GNOME packages which were installed as its dependencies |
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| 03:51.27 | gravity | schnable: That's fine |
| 03:51.29 | schnable | sorry that took so long; synaptic terminal window won't do a copy |
| 03:51.36 | metaperl | geezus |
| 03:51.38 | metaperl | heh |
| 03:51.42 | schnable | did my manual change get migrated |
| 03:51.48 | gravity | schnable: Yes, it did |
| 03:51.51 | gravity | schnable: Have a look |
| 03:51.59 | schnable | im about to |
| 03:52.11 | Wyzard | metaperl: A few years ago there was a bug in gnome-settings-daemon which basically caused all of GNOME to be unusable for about two days, but problems of that scale are rare |
| 03:52.25 | schnable | it looks ok |
| 03:52.35 | schnable | im going to restart X.. thanks for the help |
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| 03:53.06 | mwilson | Wyzard: Yes, because aptitude is crap. That should be no reason to REMOVE a package. |
| 03:53.13 | Wyzard | metaperl: Awhile back, I avoided rebooting for about a month, because udev got upgraded to a version which didn't work with kernels prior to 2.6.12, before the 2.6.12 Debian package was actually in the archive |
| 03:53.55 | Wyzard | mwilson: It wouldn't do it if I turned off the option to automatically remove "broken" packages, or to automatically select newly-available versions for upgrade |
| 03:53.59 | metaperl | Wyzard: thank you for your honesty. I'm starting to understand dondelelcaro 's point |
| 03:54.20 | mwilson | Wyzard: What kind of idiot adds an option to remove "broken packages"? |
| 03:54.25 | nimak | new gnome = weird |
| 03:54.40 | nimak | all the KDE apps are mixed in with the gnome ones |
| 03:54.42 | mwilson | Wyzard: The INSTALLED package works, the new one is broken, so by all means, let's remove the working one. |
| 03:54.55 | subgv | Is it possible to 'enable' tcpdump for all users? |
| 03:55.05 | mwilson | subgv: You have no reason to do that. |
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| 03:55.30 | Wyzard | mwilson: It marks the package for upgrade, so the new version is selected for installation, but now the selected version has unmet dependencies, so it's broken and needs to be removed |
| 03:55.33 | jim | subgv: there is a reason some packets on some ports are priveleged |
| 03:55.34 | ice_1963 | hello |
| 03:55.48 | mwilson | Wyzard: In other words, aptitude is crap. |
| 03:56.09 | Wyzard | mwilson: I agree the behavior is a bug -- it should recognize that there's a non-broken version already installed -- but I don't really mind it too much since it makes it obvious when there's dependency breakage in sid |
| 03:56.19 | subgv | mwilson: but user group can not use tcpdump, any reason to fix that? |
| 03:56.19 | Wyzard | mwilson: No, aptitude has a bug. Having a bug does not make an entire program crap. |
| 03:56.39 | jim | and as far as I know it's difficult or impossible (without writing kernel code) to change what's allowed/disallowed among packets to unprivileged users |
| 03:56.46 | mwilson | Wyzard: It either wants to remove the non-broken package, or else it actually INSTALLED the broken one, despite it being broken, and now that it's done that, it's figured it out and wants to cover up its mistake. Which is it? |
| 03:56.52 | ricky_clarkson | Wyzard: Unless it's of the makes-the-program-crap severity. |
| 03:57.33 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: it doesn't actually install anything until you press g when there aren't any broken packages. If after running U there are broken packages, you can decide how you want them to be fixed. |
| 03:57.56 | dondelelcaro | /~b will find them for you |
| 03:57.57 | mwilson | Considering that Joe Stupid is being told at every opportunity that he should be using aptitude, exactly how do you expect him to reconcile this non-breakage breakage? |
| 03:58.22 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: joe blow shouldn't be using a system at a place where aptitude would show you broken packages |
| 03:58.44 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: stable shouldn't have that situtation show up at all; the only place it happens is unstable, and when packages have been removed from testing. |
| 03:58.45 | jim | Joe Stupid seems to be a generality... |
| 03:58.57 | Xenguy_ | .oO("We have met the enemy, and he is us") |
| 03:59.16 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Haven't we had this conversation? As soon as people stop recommending to Joe Stupid that he really should be using unstable, THEN you might have a point. |
| 03:59.43 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: I don't recommend that people use unstable; but if you are using unstable, using aptitude is a reasonable tool to use to deal with the varying degrees of breakage there. |
| 03:59.48 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's all that hard to drive |
| 04:00.10 | mwilson | It's not like it's all that hard to program your VCR, either. |
| 04:00.23 | mwilson | Yet millions can't figure it out. |
| 04:00.26 | jim | mwilson does have a point... some folks are recommending unstable if people want latest available stuff |
| 04:00.36 | Wyzard | mwilson: It doesn't install the uninstallable (missing-dependencies) package... just marks the package for uninstall because the selected version has unsatisfied dependencies |
| 04:00.45 | dondelelcaro | jim: right... but those people would have the same sort of problems with apt-get or dselect or synaptic |
| 04:00.49 | jim | no, millions -don't- figure it out :) |
| 04:00.59 | mwilson | jim: Uh, I said that. |
| 04:01.07 | jim | they decide they can't... but usually they are wrong |
| 04:01.12 | jim | you said "can't" |
| 04:01.37 | nimak | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.44 | mwilson | Wyzard: In other words, it's broken. |
| 04:01.45 | nimak | what? |
| 04:01.53 | Wyzard | mwilson: No, in other words, it has a bug. |
| 04:01.59 | brx | jim: what's wrong with recommending unstable if people want the latest stuff? :) |
| 04:01.59 | Wyzard | mwilson: The rest of aptitude works just fine. |
| 04:02.19 | mwilson | I think deliberately uninstalling a working package goes a little beyond "bug". |
| 04:02.49 | dondelelcaro | brx: if you feel like supporting them, go right ahead. We won't, because people who don't know enough to already know why they shouldn't be running unstable generally shouldn't be running it in the first place. |
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| 04:03.02 | mwilson | Aptitude's BTS entries sure seem to indicate that it has far more problems than it should, given how important a tool it supposedly is. |
| 04:03.28 | jim | brx: let's see... it could format their HD... it could send spurious packets... it could remove all files beginning with foo... it could create all possible files beginning with foo... it could cause major frustration out of not being able to install desired software... |
| 04:03.32 | jim | hmm, that last one... |
| 04:03.41 | brx | dondelelcaro: it's a decision everyone has to make on his own. of course the recommendation should come with certain warnings. :) |
| 04:03.49 | gravity | aptitude has been consistently good for me |
| 04:03.50 | mwilson | Wyzard: That's all anyone ever does. It never gets FIXED. |
| 04:03.52 | beardy | jim: So can any distribution and variant. |
| 04:04.02 | gravity | I've been using for years straight. |
| 04:04.34 | Xenguy_ | brx: don't listen to them - all the 'experts' have become timid over the last while -- there was a time when lots of folks here ran SID and bragged about it -- I still do :P |
| 04:04.37 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: sure those bugs get fixed... theres a whole list of them that are fixed-in-experimental |
| 04:04.53 | brx | besides that, I enjoy not having to fetch every newer piece of software from source, and most of the times unstable "just works", which is fine for my personal use. even if it fails some way, it's usually not hard to fix it. |
| 04:04.55 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Which does exactly NO ONE any good. |
| 04:04.55 | jim | beardy: stable will not have unmet deps |
| 04:05.05 | Wyzard | mwilson: That has nothing to do with fixing it... I just don't feel like listening to you about how the whole program fundamentally sucks because it misbehaves in a particular situation that only happens in unstable anyway |
| 04:05.21 | beardy | jim: It can "format you HD" and so one, as you said. |
| 04:05.26 | beardy | so on |
| 04:05.46 | nvz | just built myself a storage unit.. didnt realize until the last piece I built it wrong.. and I actually read the directions :P works better my way (not really but it works). |
| 04:06.10 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: eh? it just means that the developers are working on fixing it... fixing things in experimental is perfectly valid |
| 04:06.21 | gravity | Damn straight |
| 04:06.26 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Only if the fixes propagate. |
| 04:06.34 | brx | Xenguy: :) |
| 04:06.39 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Aptitude has bugs that're years old. |
| 04:06.45 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: that's the *WHOLE POINT* of experimental is to propogate the fixes without introducing more breakage |
| 04:06.47 | gravity | So does X |
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| 04:06.57 | gravity | Massively used packages tend to accumulate such things |
| 04:07.08 | peterS | not only massively used but massive |
| 04:07.09 | mwilson | I was waiting for you to say that... X is a *tad* bit more complex package than aptitude is. |
| 04:07.10 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: there are bugs that are 10 years old... I've fixed some that are that old myself. |
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| 04:07.18 | _quik | hey folks |
| 04:07.22 | gravity | Well, dpkg then |
| 04:07.24 | gravity | Or apt |
| 04:07.31 | _quik | how can I set a static ip in command line? |
| 04:07.45 | _quik | I need to do that before I get network access/apt |
| 04:07.55 | buu | _quik: ifconfig |
| 04:08.11 | gravity | mwilson: Anyway, *xnest* has bugs that are ancient too |
| 04:08.16 | jim | brx: and one more: using unstable especially if the person doesn't even know the shell and basic unix usage and admin stuff would cause everyone here to not want to help that person since it's very difficult even with someone who does understand all that stuff to determine a problem that might be unique only to their system due to some set of packages installed that may be rare |
| 04:08.20 | mwilson | xnest *is* a bug. :) |
| 04:08.22 | gravity | Heh |
| 04:08.23 | gravity | I like it |
| 04:08.29 | jim | I do too |
| 04:08.36 | Xenguy | jim: point taken |
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| 04:08.50 | gravity | I don't care enough about it to hack on it like I want to though |
| 04:08.58 | gravity | Despite... uh... maintaining it |
| 04:09.00 | brx | jim: as stated before, it should come with certain warnings. maybe even along the lines of "you want our help, you use our tools" |
| 04:09.04 | Wyzard | mwilson: Are you a maintainer of any package? |
| 04:09.08 | jim | I'd like to start a paid support channel for those people |
| 04:09.13 | LootBeer | i canoot find my multisync haeder dir...i need it to compile synCE |
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| 04:09.25 | jim | we'd rake in the bucks... or they'd get smart and not do certain things |
| 04:09.26 | mwilson | Wyzard: Hell, no. You think I would ever want that kind of responsibility? |
| 04:09.35 | mwilson | Wyzard: For *other* people's machines? |
| 04:09.37 | Wyzard | mwilson: Do you regularly contribute fixes to any packge? |
| 04:09.43 | mwilson | Wyzard: I file bugs. |
| 04:09.55 | mwilson | Wyzard: I run unstable, therefore I participate. |
| 04:10.03 | Xenguy | heh |
| 04:10.12 | Wyzard | mwilson: You file bugs, and then you insult the maintainers and their software for not having instantly fixed them and for the bugs ever existing in the first place. |
| 04:10.14 | Wyzard | mwilson: Stop it. |
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| 04:10.15 | brx | "run unstable and participate!" |
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| 04:10.34 | mwilson | Wyzard: I file bugs against packages I use. |
| 04:10.43 | jim | brx: the key word there being "and" |
| 04:11.05 | ton | is there a way to bandwidth limiting using squid ? |
| 04:11.16 | jakelo | I'm getting the following error when running apt-get update "Cannot assign requested address" googling turned up nothing helpful. I also can't seem to use wget to get files to the system. When do I start? |
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| 04:11.44 | jakelo | When >> Where |
| 04:11.52 | jim | you don't necessarily participate just because you run unstable... you participate if you participate (meaning watch for, test for and otherwise locate problems, fix some of them, and either way filing the reports) |
| 04:11.54 | sigma957 | anyone else getting an update error with nerim.net? |
| 04:11.54 | mwilson | Wyzard: I never said anything about "instantly", either. I take exception to a package I perceive as being as flawed as aptitude being pushed onto people who have no clue, and can't evaluate whether it works, or not. |
| 04:11.57 | brx | jim: i have yet to come across a major problem with unstable :) maybe because I am used to gentoo, debian is spoiling me. |
| 04:12.08 | jim | that could be |
| 04:12.31 | ice_1963 | is there some one here that uses xfce4 ?? |
| 04:12.44 | jim | ice_1963: you? |
| 04:12.50 | ice_1963 | y |
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| 04:12.53 | jim | if so, |
| 04:12.57 | jim | then yes :) |
| 04:13.06 | Wyzard | mwilson: The trigger for the bug (missing dependencies) only occurs in sid, and occasionally in testing. "People who have no clue" shouldn't be running unstable or testing anyway. |
| 04:13.13 | jim | else maybe :) |
| 04:13.18 | mwilson | Wyzard: Remember what your math teacher told you in high school? You can use the calculator on the test once you demonstrate that you understand the work without the calculator. It's the same thing. |
| 04:13.35 | mwilson | Wyzard: They *shouldn't* be, but they *are*. They're pushed into it every day. |
| 04:14.05 | Wyzard | mwilson: yes, but that's not the fault of the bug. |
| 04:14.06 | jim | ice_1963: now... if you want to talk/ask about it... go ahead on! |
| 04:14.06 | ice_1963 | is there a cd r programe for it |
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| 04:14.20 | jim | dunno |
| 04:14.31 | ice_1963 | like k3b for kde |
| 04:15.08 | sanxiyn | ice_1963: Of course, you can use k3b on xfce4. |
| 04:15.15 | sanxiyn | If you want. |
| 04:15.17 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, the bug is what they're going to run into when they don't know what you know, turn aptitude loose, and come back to wonder what happened to the box. |
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| 04:15.57 | ice_1963 | ya but it installs to much |
| 04:16.05 | d3s | I'm using vim to edit a html page, how can i do spell checking? |
| 04:16.07 | sanxiyn | ice_1963: I am happy with gnomebaker, FWIW. |
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| 04:16.29 | mwilson | Every day you hear from people who don't know the difference between 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade', and destroy their machines without meaning to. This is the same thing, only more so, as they have random gurus telling them how wonderful it is. |
| 04:16.34 | jakelo | can anyone help me with the error "Cannot assign requested address"? |
| 04:16.36 | Wyzard | mwilson: And they learn from the experience, and then they know for the future. (And they'd quite possibly notice before anything actually got removed, because aptitude highlights packages-to-be-removed in red, and lists the changes it's about to make before it does anything.) |
| 04:16.44 | bloom | where am I supposed to put public keys for apt-get to use? |
| 04:16.54 | mwilson | d3s: The vimspell plugin isn't bad. Vim 7 will have integrated spell checking. |
| 04:16.55 | ice_1963 | what kernel are you useing |
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| 04:17.13 | jakelo | bloom, /etc/apt/ |
| 04:17.18 | subgv | mwilson: how do I enable tcpdump again? because I keep getting an error message about "socket: operation not permitted" can I enable it? |
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| 04:17.28 | ice_1963 | for gnome baker |
| 04:17.32 | Wyzard | mwilson: Yes, some people run testing/unstable who shouldn't... but that's not a justification to call aptitude itself crap, because some misguided users might use it improperly. |
| 04:17.36 | sanxiyn | ice_1963: Huh? |
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| 04:17.47 | bloom | jakelo: what kind of files go in /etc/apt. do I just export them as ascii-armored keys? and what should their names be? |
| 04:17.47 | mwilson | subgv: There's nothing to enable. As you were told previously, it wants to do things that need special rights. |
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| 04:18.16 | ricky_clarkson | Oh dear. |
| 04:18.23 | sanxiyn | aptitude is good for playing minesweeper! |
| 04:18.24 | ricky_clarkson | Some Linux user in ##java just asked what a manpage is. |
| 04:18.26 | subgv | mwilson: can I take this program off suid? |
| 04:18.27 | ice_1963 | can i run 2.4 kernel with gnomebaker |
| 04:18.38 | mwilson | Wyzard: Aptitude has had the same problem for a LONG time. It has Severity: Important bugs filed on it. And yet it goes on and on. |
| 04:18.46 | mwilson | subgv: "off suid"? |
| 04:18.47 | sanxiyn | ricky_clarkson: And was it answered? |
| 04:18.50 | jakelo | bloom, to what I've seen they usually are there as *.gpg file, where * is the server source you get them from. |
| 04:18.56 | sanxiyn | ice_1963: Sure. |
| 04:18.56 | beardy | ricky_clarkson: and you were surprised? |
| 04:19.02 | javier__21 | Hi, I have a problem reading a DVD on a Debian box using a 2.6.11 kernel. It throws me a lot of I/O errors, but the media is good. |
| 04:19.04 | ice_1963 | ok |
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| 04:19.10 | beardy | ricky_clarkson: they'll become more and more.. |
| 04:19.12 | ricky_clarkson | beardy: Yes, seeing as he seemed to know what bash was. |
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| 04:19.24 | sanxiyn | ice_1963: If your CD drive is supported, which I assume it is. |
| 04:19.26 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: you shot him and/or burried him alive right? that kind of thing may spread |
| 04:19.33 | javier__21 | I've used the DVD drive in windows, so it seems to me the drive is OK as well |
| 04:19.35 | Bhaal | How do I use xserver-xfree86 instead of xorg? In sid? |
| 04:19.40 | ice_1963 | yes it is |
| 04:19.40 | jakelo | can anyone help me with the error "Cannot assign requested address" with running apt-get update? |
| 04:19.55 | sanxiyn | Oh, people, read the fine manual. |
| 04:19.57 | ricky_clarkson | "< True_Chaos|Lapto> i tryed man bash and it looks like an info page" |
| 04:20.08 | Wyzard | mwilson: Nonetheless, the bugs won't manifest themselves in a stable release, because stable releases don't have missing dependencies |
| 04:20.11 | gravity | Bhaal: Install the X packages from stable. Is xorg not working for you? |
| 04:20.37 | mwilson | Wyzard: So it's OK not to fix them? |
| 04:20.40 | Wyzard | mwilson: (The main reason I use aptitude, btw, has nothing to do with its handling of upgrades... its tracking of "manually-installed" vs. "automatically-installed" packages is nicer than debfoster) |
| 04:20.46 | Bhaal | gravity: Well it seems to have killed glx ... Even if I just try running glxinfo its completely crashes the X server... |
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| 04:20.53 | gravity | Bhaal: What driver? |
| 04:20.59 | ricky_clarkson | When was the first manual page written, any ideas? |
| 04:21.01 | Bhaal | nvidia |
| 04:21.11 | gravity | Bhaal: The proprietary one? |
| 04:21.14 | Wyzard | mwilson: Of course not, but it makes it not as urgently important |
| 04:21.19 | sanxiyn | Wyzard: I happened to disagree with that, but oh well... (re: debfoster) |
| 04:21.39 | mwilson | Wyzard: Debian has gone through a stable release cycle with the package in this state. |
| 04:21.47 | miag | Bhaal: why xfree86? it died due to it's license.. |
| 04:21.58 | sanxiyn | miag: Sarge. |
| 04:22.02 | Bhaal | gravity: Well, it should be... Its using the propriety kernel module... And I am pretty sure I did a re-install of the nvidia driver package after xorg went and installed itself... |
| 04:22.15 | d3s | where should i put .vim in Sarge? |
| 04:22.15 | miag | ah |
| 04:22.21 | ricky_clarkson | Is XFree86 still actively developed with its dopey licence? |
| 04:22.23 | mwilson | miag: No, it died due to the PERCEPTION of its license. That perception was never actually tested. |
| 04:22.26 | Wyzard | mwilson: With a bug that won't manifest itself in that stable release, yes... while it continues to be a problem in testing/unstable, it's not a problem in sarge |
| 04:22.27 | sanxiyn | ricky_clarkson: It seems so. |
| 04:22.30 | gravity | Bhaal: Did you use the nvidia-glx package? |
| 04:22.30 | whosurddy | i need to remove libc6 and replace it with libc6-i686 but synaptic wants to remove ALL the apps that rely on libc6 (like the whole system) So... how can I do this? Must be some sort of 'force' or something I can use |
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| 04:22.40 | miag | yes |
| 04:22.50 | Wyzard | whosurddy: libc6-i686 doesn't conflict with libc6... you install it in additon to, not instead of |
| 04:22.54 | mwilson | whosurddy: No, actually, there must not be. |
| 04:22.55 | sanxiyn | d3s: You don't put .vim anywhere. |
| 04:22.57 | Bhaal | gravity: A debian package? |
| 04:23.03 | gravity | Bhaal: Yes |
| 04:23.13 | mwilson | Hm, libc6-i686 exists again? |
| 04:23.21 | mwilson | I didn't know that. |
| 04:23.22 | sanxiyn | mwilson: Yes, it exists, and enables NPTL. |
| 04:23.48 | Bhaal | gravity: good question |
| 04:23.49 | Wyzard | whosurddy: btw, uninstalling libc6 is a very bad idea... every program on your system will stop working |
| 04:23.55 | sanxiyn | (i686 opt part is less intersting to me.) |
| 04:23.59 | whosurddy | if i 'reinstall' will it actually remove the old files and replace them again... I think I have some corruption in libthread.so something or other.. |
| 04:24.08 | sanxiyn | whosurddy: ? |
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| 04:24.25 | Bhaal | gravity: No, its not installed, should I be installing it? |
| 04:24.30 | gravity | Bhaal: Installing from the nvidia site can easily cause problems, from what I understand. You should go for the package. |
| 04:24.37 | Bhaal | ok |
| 04:24.39 | gravity | !nvidiaoneliner |
| 04:24.46 | gravity | !nvidia |
| 04:24.46 | dpkg | nvidia is, like, DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 04:24.49 | Wyzard | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:24.49 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 04:24.52 | miag | mwilson: i am using it in my /usr/local |
| 04:24.56 | jakelo | I'm getting the error "Cannot assign requested address" with running apt-get update and with wget. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 04:25.02 | gravity | Bhaal: There you go ^ |
| 04:25.04 | gravity | Wyzard: Thanks |
| 04:25.22 | Bhaal | gravity: Right.... Hrm, this is because of xorg I assume? |
| 04:25.35 | gravity | Bhaal: The upgrade probably caused issues, yeah |
| 04:25.35 | sanxiyn | jakelo: Pray to the god Varuna. |
| 04:25.36 | whosurddy | yes, i know the entire system depends on it but totem keeps crashing and there are seversl references to libthread in /lib/tls/ and the file is part of libc6 .. Yikes.. How do i get around all this?? I'm lost.. :-( |
| 04:25.41 | gravity | Bhaal: But I blame the nvidia driver |
| 04:25.42 | mwilson | Why do people always put the nvidia module in /etc/modules? Isn't that udev breakage ever going to get fixed? |
| 04:25.45 | gravity | Then again, I'm biased |
| 04:25.47 | Bhaal | gravity: hehe |
| 04:25.49 | javier__21 | Hi, I'm really stuck trying to read a DVD |
| 04:26.09 | javier__21 | I'm getting some I/O errors but I doubt it's my DVD drive |
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| 04:26.17 | sanxiyn | whosurddy: Report a bug. Or, lookup BTS for bugs filed already. |
| 04:26.17 | Wyzard | mwilson: udev breakage? |
| 04:26.35 | jakelo | sanxiyn, funny.... but really do you have a solution? |
| 04:26.35 | Wyzard | mwilson: My nvidia module gets loaded by discover |
| 04:26.45 | Bhaal | gravity: In that one liner, I need to supplement xserver-xfree86 for xserver-xorg right? |
| 04:26.58 | whosurddy | so there's no way to replace that lib? I think it is somewhat corrupted is all.. |
| 04:27.02 | quipucamalloc | how can i stop firewall service? |
| 04:27.06 | gravity | Bhaal: Vice versa, but yeah. Use xserver-xorg instead |
| 04:27.07 | mwilson | Wyzard: I'll admit to not paying attention to it lately, but I was given to understand that the reason people had to explicitly load the module was because of udev. Of course, a correctly configured system will load it when X asks for it, and not before. |
| 04:27.25 | nvz | javier__21: did you inspect the media for defects? snot, feckis, or other debris on the read surface, or scrapes, scratches, peels, or warps on the label side? |
| 04:27.26 | sanxiyn | whosurddy: You can try --reinstall. |
| 04:27.31 | whosurddy | quipucalalloc: /etc/init.d/<servicename> stop |
| 04:27.38 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why in the world do you use discover on a correctly-configured box? |
| 04:27.38 | nvz | javier__21: or care to share more specific information with #debian... |
| 04:27.38 | sanxiyn | whosurddy: I don't think it's corrupted though. |
| 04:27.54 | whosurddy | ok... we'll see what happens.. thanks guys.. |
| 04:28.09 | javier__21 | hi nvz, I'm positive the media is OK, as a matter of fact I can read it in other drives |
| 04:28.13 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, under udev, device files don't exist until after the driver module is loaded, so a program can't open a device file whose module is not yet loaded and rely on the kernel to autoload the module... is that what you mean? |
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| 04:28.28 | javier__21 | the specific errors reported on dmesg are |
| 04:28.29 | whosurddy | quipucalalloc: do that as root.. |
| 04:28.30 | javier__21 | hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 04:28.30 | javier__21 | hdc: command error: error=0x50 { LastFailedSense=0x05 } |
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| 04:28.42 | Wyzard | mwilson: I use it mainly because it keeps my /etc/modprobe.d/local fairly clean :-) |
| 04:28.52 | javier__21 | I'm using a 2.6.11 precompiled kernel |
| 04:29.18 | mwilson | I don't even HAVE one of those and I don't use discover. |
| 04:29.24 | Bhaal | gravity: Well, Im off to see if this works... |
| 04:29.30 | jakelo | what apps do apt-get and wget use in common that would give the error ""Cannot assign requested address"? |
| 04:29.33 | gravity | Bhaal: Good luck |
| 04:29.34 | jim | javier__21:rule out hardware or drive failure |
| 04:29.39 | sanxiyn | javier__21: Looks like a hardware failure. |
| 04:29.46 | quipucamalloc | whats the service that controlls firewall i want to stop it |
| 04:29.55 | mwilson | quipucamalloc: There isn't one. |
| 04:30.00 | Wyzard | mwilson: Do you know that /etc/modules is deprecated? |
| 04:30.10 | javier__21 | mmm, the DVD reader can read CDs and audio cds without problems |
| 04:30.12 | Wyzard | mwilson: oops, sorry, I'm mixed-up |
| 04:30.14 | mwilson | Wyzard: Was I recommending to anyone that they use /etc/modules? |
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| 04:30.30 | Wyzard | mwilson: /etc/modules.conf is deprecated; ignore my earlier statement :-) |
| 04:30.31 | quipucamalloc | i have an aplication that needs me not to apear firewalled any help |
| 04:30.36 | mwilson | I thought I was the one who asked why people were being told to use it. |
| 04:31.04 | mwilson | Me, I never tell people it even exists, because it's a Debianism. |
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| 04:31.23 | Wyzard | mwilson: I use discover because it keeps my /etc/modules fairly clean... my /etc/modprobe.d/local is already clean, and just contains some driver options |
| 04:32.02 | mwilson | discover found a home on the trash heap here the first time it decided it knew better than me how to arrange symlinks. |
| 04:32.07 | sean_ | I modified my /etc/profile to include some additional binary paths but the changes aren't reflected in my logins, even after a complete reboot, does GDM set its users paths elsewhere? It seems that if I log in in the console the paths work fine. How can I add the necessary paths to GDM logins? |
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| 04:32.33 | javier__21 | How can I be positive it is a HW problem? |
| 04:32.47 | soonf00 | during upgrade to TESTING, i am getting many errors about stting the default locale |
| 04:32.47 | Wyzard | mwilson: Symlinks? All I use it for is loading modules... |
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| 04:33.10 | sanxiyn | soonf00: From Perl? |
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| 04:33.19 | soonf00 | sanxiyn, seems to be |
| 04:33.36 | mwilson | Wyzard: Maybe things have changed with it... discover used to try to enforce the FHS brokenness. |
| 04:33.37 | sanxiyn | soonf00: Mostly harmless. Do have some encoding generated on /etc/locale.gen though. |
| 04:33.48 | sanxiyn | After upgrade. |
| 04:34.04 | soonf00 | sanxiyn, when asked by debconf, i set it to en_US |
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| 04:34.23 | sanxiyn | Congratulations! You have won Canada lottery. |
| 04:34.34 | sanxiyn | (A spam arrived 1 min ago.) |
| 04:34.45 | soonf00 | sanxiyn, actually, it is even in there en_US ISO-8859-1 |
| 04:34.51 | ice_1963 | ya right |
| 04:34.54 | sanxiyn | soonf00: Strange. |
| 04:34.56 | soonf00 | so why is Perl being retarded? |
| 04:34.57 | quipucamalloc | i need to stop firewall for a software to run properly how do i do this? |
| 04:35.22 | javier__21 | jim, or sanxiyn, how could I verify that this is a hardware problem? |
| 04:35.24 | sean_ | how can I add paths to my $PATH when using GDM? |
| 04:35.25 | Wyzard | mwilson: AFAIK, it just scans available hardware and loads appropriate modules |
| 04:35.28 | dondelelcaro | soonf00: that's because you haven't built the locale you're using using dpkg-reconfigure locales; |
| 04:35.33 | mwilson | Wyzard: Since I never build new Debian boxes, perhaps its behavior has changed. I really don't know. I only pay real attention to issues affecting boxen I have running. |
| 04:35.37 | soonf00 | Perl keeps falling back to standard locale "C" |
| 04:35.49 | dondelelcaro | soonf00: yes, because you haven't built whatever locale you've got set. |
| 04:35.51 | brx | quipucamalloc: are you behind a router? |
| 04:35.51 | sanxiyn | soonf00: Well, believe me, it's harmless. |
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| 04:36.07 | soonf00 | oh ok, just startled me on the dist-upgrade |
| 04:36.14 | soonf00 | see so many of these messages :-) |
| 04:36.20 | quipucamalloc | yes but i turned of router firewall already |
| 04:36.44 | jakelo | Can anyone help me? |
| 04:36.48 | Wyzard | mwilson: Anyway, you're right that the old scheme of having the kernel autoload modules when their device file is accessed isn't useful under udev |
| 04:36.55 | brx | quipucamalloc: maybe you have to forward some ports to your pc? :) |
| 04:37.32 | mwilson | Wyzard: Other than verifying that d-i was still broken on this test motherboard I have here, I've not even done anything with the Sarge DVD I made. |
| 04:37.34 | Wyzard | mwilson: but discover and hotplug make sure the modules are already loaded for all hardware that's present, so I don't see it as much of a problem |
| 04:37.42 | ice_1963 | hell i can't help my self lol :0) |
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| 04:38.04 | sanxiyn | jakelo: No idea... |
| 04:38.07 | Wyzard | mwilson: D-I broken too? |
| 04:38.29 | sanxiyn | Wyzard: I doubt that. |
| 04:38.41 | jakelo | thanks for a response sanxiyn |
| 04:38.45 | mwilson | Wyzard: I may end up putting one together, though. Since d'Itri lies about udev having documentation allowing you to use it and yet leave /dev alone, I may create such just for the exercise. |
| 04:39.03 | Wyzard | sanxiyn: All he ever does is talk about how such-and-such program, which works just fine for most people, is inexcusably broken |
| 04:39.08 | soonf00 | anyone here tried slackware? pros/cons ? |
| 04:39.35 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, I have a standard Intel server motherboard here, 440BX. Three of them in fact. D-I breaks horribly on it. IDE trouble. I sent in bug reports, nothing ever happened, etc. |
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| 04:40.00 | sanxiyn | Wyzard: I have reasons to believe otherwise. Sure, he likes to call things *crap. |
| 04:40.40 | Wyzard | sanxiyn: He has a low tolerance for imperfection and is quick to criticize others for problems, but seems to do very little to help improve the situation |
| 04:40.43 | mwilson | I would like to have persistent naming, but I have zero interest in udev fscking up /dev, so it'll be an interesting exercize. |
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| 04:40.58 | sanxiyn | Wyzard: I think he at least report problems. |
| 04:41.19 | Wyzard | mwilson: FWIW, I've seen no "fscking up" of /dev on any of my systems... it manages the device nodes pretty nicely in my experience |
| 04:41.31 | mwilson | Wyzard: It removes most of them. |
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| 04:41.43 | mwilson | Wyzard: I'm not interested in playing the musical rules game. |
| 04:41.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: It doesn't create nodes for hardware you don't have, and which would therefore be useless anyway. How's that a problem? |
| 04:42.00 | mwilson | Wyzard: There is zero reason not to have a static /dev. |
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| 04:42.11 | Wyzard | mwilson: I've also never had to edit any udev rules by hand |
| 04:42.28 | maher | Wyzard: last time i used udev it made /dev/null -wr------ |
| 04:42.30 | mwilson | Wyzard: And doesn't create nodes for devices you DO have. Been down this road, don't choose to continue traveling on it. |
| 04:42.48 | Wyzard | mwilson: Currently that's true -- the device nodes it creates are the same as would have been in a static /dev |
| 04:42.49 | sanxiyn | !qotd122 |
| 04:43.08 | maher | Wyzard: actually irt was -rw-rw---- root root but same effect... |
| 04:43.14 | Wyzard | mwilson: But I've seen a quote from a kernel developer saying that it's a goal to eventually have dynamic major/minor allocation, and then a static /dev wouldn't work |
| 04:43.15 | mwilson | Someday, if and when the linux kernel has dynamic majors, then it'll be worth thinking about. |
| 04:43.16 | Nurbs | I don't want a static /dev... that'd mean I'd have to edit my /etc/fstab each time I attach devices in a different order :o) |
| 04:43.36 | Wyzard | maher: My /dev/null, on my sid system using udev, is crw-rw-rw- |
| 04:43.42 | maher | Nurbs: i have ext2/3 fs's so i just use e2label |
| 04:44.02 | maher | Wyzard: well i uninstalled udev and didn't worry about it... |
| 04:44.09 | mwilson | You have to wonder why in the world you'd have to worry about whether or not some daemon CREATED /dev/null |
| 04:44.24 | maher | Wyzard: and yes it started c not - |
| 04:44.27 | Nurbs | maher: not an option :) |
| 04:44.48 | chealer | dpkg: start a sid veterans war is <reply> I survived sid's (libc5 from Micro$oft upstream|zulu locale by default|dpkg depending on kde) bug, but I still run it! |
| 04:44.48 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 04:44.57 | Wyzard | mwilson: I *don't* worry about it, because it works... that's my point |
| 04:45.30 | mwilson | Nurbs: Like I said... I have no problem with persistent naming. But I have no need for or interest in devices appearing and disappearing. It's meaningless. |
| 04:46.03 | mwilson | Nurbs: If it works for you, more power to you. |
| 04:46.20 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't have a "need" for it either, strictly speaking, but I've experienced no problems with it with current versions of udev, so it doesn't bother me |
| 04:46.22 | Nurbs | thanks, but I feel like God anyway |
| 04:46.24 | maher | Wyzard: i have no problems wth anyone using udev - in fact the more people who use it the faster the bugs will get worked out.... |
| 04:46.34 | Wyzard | mwilson: I did try a very early version of udev once, several years ago, and that had problems |
| 04:46.44 | mwilson | If you don't need it, then why use it? |
| 04:46.49 | Nurbs | devfs is annoying, especially now that it's gone, heh. |
| 04:46.58 | mwilson | Gee, let's add complexity, just because we CAN. |
| 04:46.59 | Wyzard | mwilson: Because it does more than manage nodes in /dev |
| 04:47.03 | mwilson | Feh. |
| 04:47.34 | Wyzard | mwilson: The main benefit is announcing hardware changes on dbus, which enables things like GNOME's volume manager to automatically mount removable media when it's inserted, etc. |
| 04:47.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: Of course, you hate GNOME too, and you'd argue that that feature is useless because nobody should use GNOME in the first place |
| 04:48.25 | sanxiyn | Wyzard: So, what is your problem? |
| 04:48.36 | crispynix-v6 | wtf, I'd agree with mwilson? something is definitely wrong. |
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| 04:49.10 | mynickname- | hi buddy |
| 04:49.26 | mynickname- | im debian's beginner |
| 04:49.35 | sanxiyn | hello |
| 04:49.37 | mynickname- | i just install debian on my pc |
| 04:49.43 | Wyzard | sanxiyn: I'm just having fun countering mwilson's FUD about how all these newly-developed programs suck and should never be used |
| 04:49.47 | sanxiyn | mynickname-: Congratulation. |
| 04:49.47 | mwilson | Wyzard: I can't think of a single reason I'd ever want something to mount just because I attached it to the machine. I see that you can, but I certainly cannot. |
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| 04:50.12 | Wyzard | mwilson: USB keychain drives, mainly. If I didn't want it mounted, I wouldn't have plugged it in. |
| 04:50.14 | Nurbs | one thing debian definitely needs is /dev/drinks/* support |
| 04:50.31 | mynickname- | but i cannot start the xwindows . . . |
| 04:50.32 | eXa_bOy | you _THE_ debian beginner. |
| 04:50.40 | mynickname- | can any bodey help me |
| 04:50.52 | eXa_bOy | that means there wont be another. |
| 04:50.58 | sanxiyn | mynickname-: ... |
| 04:51.06 | Nurbs | eXa_bOy: hooray! :) |
| 04:51.19 | mwilson | Wyzard: I think that's the main difference between you and me... to me, users don't get to make decisions like that. |
| 04:51.28 | sanxiyn | mynickname-: Do you have X Window System installed? |
| 04:51.34 | mynickname- | yup |
| 04:51.37 | mynickname- | i use kde |
| 04:51.55 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, the systems I'm managing are all ones where I'm the primary (or only) user |
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| 04:51.58 | sanxiyn | mynickname-: How did you install KDE? |
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| 04:52.14 | mwilson | Special case. I'm referring to the general. |
| 04:52.30 | mynickname- | in setup for firstime when i install debian |
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| 04:52.47 | sanxiyn | mynickname-: If I recall correctly, Debian installer doesn't ask about installing KDE. |
| 04:52.52 | mynickname- | sanxiyn |
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| 04:53.19 | mynickname- | yup |
| 04:53.24 | crispynix-v6 | mwilson: whoa, you think users have too much power and you don't like GNOME!? that makes no sense -- the entire aim of the gnome project is to fit everyone into the same mold with the same minimal featureset. |
| 04:53.31 | Wyzard | mwilson: It's certainly not appropriate in all cases, but personal desktops are one of the major ways in which computers are used, and the auto-mounting stuff is useful in that context |
| 04:53.33 | magyar | ahoy, i need to replace a re-occurance of "/etc/bind/ with "secondary/ can someone help a brother? |
| 04:53.36 | mynickname- | i choose the package manually |
| 04:53.50 | Wyzard | crispynix-v6: Whee, more trolling |
| 04:53.56 | crispynix-v6 | Wyzard: nn ;) |
| 04:54.17 | sanxiyn | mynickname-: So, you chose X Window System too? |
| 04:54.28 | mynickname- | sanxiyn ;- can we chat for personally |
| 04:54.30 | mynickname- | ? |
| 04:54.32 | mynickname- | :) |
| 04:54.37 | sanxiyn | mynickname-: okay |
| 04:54.38 | mynickname- | ^_^ |
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| 04:58.06 | sanxiyn | jakelo: Your error sounded like EADDRNOTAVAIL, but I have no idea why it happens. |
| 04:58.13 | Bhaal | Okey, got glx working again... Thanks to those who helped... |
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| 04:59.09 | jakelo | sanxiyn, me niether.... this is all new terrortory to me. |
| 04:59.45 | mwilson | crispynix-v6: Oh, yeah... right. That's why Gnome ships a user-controllable VNC server by default and are talking about user-controllable Samba. |
| 05:00.01 | mwilson | crispynix-v6: Sure, Gnome is *all* about making the machine safe. </sarcasm> |
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| 05:01.42 | crispynix-v6 | mwilson: who said anything about safety? I was talking about app features :) |
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| 05:02.02 | crispynix-v6 | mwilson: but yeah, that is pretty silly considering the target audience |
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| 05:03.58 | Bhaal | Anyone here had much luck with Xdmx and xorg? I was playing with it last night, got it mostly working... But my KDE panels kept going blank... |
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| 05:05.30 | mwilson | Ok, if I set that plushie there, that drive is going to overheat... :) |
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| 05:06.07 | crispynix-v6 | I try not to put anything flammable near my (overclocked) comp. carpet is bad enough. ;) |
| 05:06.53 | mwilson | I have these two USB hard disks sitting here... they're in aluminum and always run hot (WD 250's). |
| 05:08.06 | mwilson | Funny how I never have any trouble mounting them when I want them. |
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| 05:09.03 | crispynix-v6 | rol. well, some people are lazy and don't want to have to deal with mounting and unmounting. |
| 05:09.05 | mwilson | Apparently that's supposed to be impossible or something. |
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| 05:09.42 | magyar | is there a way to tell a regular expresion to look for a word "master" only and omit "masters" "mastering" and so on ??? |
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| 05:10.47 | PastorEd | Good evening, everyone! I seemed to have hosed my ability to login as a user... |
| 05:10.57 | Nurbs | ... but then? :) |
| 05:11.23 | PastorEd | I interrupted a checkinstall process... I decided that I didn't need the .deb after all... |
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| 05:11.40 | PastorEd | ...and now, I cannot login as a user. I'm also unable to create a new user. |
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| 05:12.12 | mtnman | magyar: look for "master ", perhaps? |
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| 05:12.15 | PastorEd | I keep getting the message "symlink: permission denied". |
| 05:12.18 | PastorEd | any thoughts? |
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| 05:13.40 | karsten | PastorEd: Sounds like you might have a write-only mount. |
| 05:13.47 | karsten | PastorEd: ... who are you logged in as right now? |
| 05:14.04 | PastorEd | karsten: I'm committing the terrible Debian sin... I'm logged in as root. |
| 05:15.12 | karsten | PastorEd: What happened when you booted? Anything strange? What exactly where you doing? |
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| 05:15.35 | karsten | PastorEd: ... ls /proc. Check if it's mounted. If so, cat /proc/mounts, which will give you your current mount status. |
| 05:15.43 | PastorEd | karsten: I was logged in as a user, using su to create a .deb file with checkinstall. |
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| 05:16.06 | karsten | PastorEd: OK. Not familiar with checkinstall myself. |
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| 05:16.43 | cheal | PastorEd: what's the user's login shell? |
| 05:16.55 | PastorEd | karsten: everything in /proc/mounts reads as rw |
| 05:17.20 | PastorEd | they all read as rw 0 0 |
| 05:17.21 | karsten | PastorEd: OK. That's useful. |
| 05:18.01 | enchanter | How to know a key's code? |
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| 05:18.34 | PastorEd | karsten: I'm still at a loss... even after a reboot, I'm still only able to login as root. When I try to login as user, I'm told that I don't have rights to my home directory. |
| 05:19.44 | PastorEd | karsten: literally - "unable to cd to /home/user" |
| 05:20.07 | cheal | PastorEd: is that as any user? |
| 05:20.16 | _quik | I can't get debian to netinstall |
| 05:20.25 | PastorEd | cheal: yes, you are correct. I can't login except as root. |
| 05:20.29 | _quik | yet the machine will ping on the network, any ideas? |
| 05:20.42 | PastorEd | And if I were going to run as root all the time, I'd be running Linspire! <wink> |
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| 05:21.17 | karsten | PastorEd: Does /home/<user> exist? |
| 05:21.23 | karsten | PastorEd: ... and if so, what are its permissions? |
| 05:21.43 | PastorEd | yes, it exists... how do I check the permissions? |
| 05:21.44 | karsten | !tell _quik about smart questions |
| 05:21.53 | karsten | PastorEd: ls -ld /home/<user> |
| 05:22.09 | _quik | ugh |
| 05:22.11 | magyar | mtnman: id doesnt work in vim |
| 05:22.29 | magyar | mtnman: i tried ^master$ |
| 05:22.42 | PastorEd | drwxr-xr-x 48 user user |
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| 05:22.53 | magyar | does anyone knows how-to search and replace in vim? |
| 05:22.54 | caphuso | magyar: master\> |
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| 05:23.33 | karsten | PastorEd: Is your user's name literally "user" ? |
| 05:23.45 | karsten | PastorEd: ... and if so, that looks sane. |
| 05:23.45 | PastorEd | maygar: oh... that one, I *do* know... "%s/what-you-want-to-find/what-you-want-to-replace-it-with/g" |
| 05:23.59 | PastorEd | karsten: yep |
| 05:24.07 | magyar | caphuso: thank you |
| 05:24.09 | karsten | PastorEd: Is your dog's name "dog" ;-) |
| 05:24.14 | TraceGreen | Very strange, i try to use partimage to backup my partition(fat32), i select no compress level, and with 3584(3.5G) split image file size. but partimage seems not spiit my image, when image grow to 4G, partimage stop. |
| 05:24.32 | PastorEd | maygar... hold on... I forgot the colon: ":%s/search/replace/g" |
| 05:24.40 | TraceGreen | i know, 4G is the largest file linux can write to fat32. |
| 05:24.51 | deadcat | karsten: got broadband yet? |
| 05:25.00 | karsten | deadcat: Swiping it at work ATm. |
| 05:25.02 | TraceGreen | but, why don't partimage split my image to 3.5G? |
| 05:25.04 | PastorEd | karsten: nope. But my kitten's name is Neko (kitten in Japanese) |
| 05:25.08 | karsten | deadcat: ... trying to get wireless working. |
| 05:25.17 | karsten | PastorEd: Hrm... |
| 05:25.25 | deadcat | karsten: nice nice (= |
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| 05:25.29 | karsten | PastorEd: I should talk. I once had a cat named "Gato". |
| 05:25.46 | karsten | deadcat: Any hints for 802.11g. LikSys |
| 05:25.51 | PastorEd | Hah! :D Anyway, any thoughts as to how I can login as user? |
| 05:25.57 | nvz | I dont know wtf I thought I was doing with this slim ps/2 and no PSU... I guess I am not used to it being separate |
| 05:26.12 | karsten | PastorEd: What's this .deb you were making? |
| 05:26.50 | PastorEd | karsten: qemu... building the newest version from source, instead of "make install" I typed "checkinstall" which creates a .deb file for others to use. |
| 05:27.12 | PastorEd | But I decided that I didn't want to do that... and so I hit Ctrl+C - and somehow borked my system. |
| 05:27.27 | karsten | PastorEd: Dig. That shouldn't have been related at all. |
| 05:27.40 | karsten | PastorEd: ... does your /etc/passwd file look sane? Is there a file /etc/nologin? |
| 05:27.44 | DaddyShortLegs | Hey People. Anybody pretty cluey with FTP related issues? |
| 05:27.45 | PastorEd | right. It *shouldn't*. But it's still hosed, nonetheless. |
| 05:27.54 | PastorEd | karsten: hangon... |
| 05:27.57 | karsten | PastorEd: Well, could be an unrelated something. |
| 05:28.12 | karsten | PastorEd: ... might also check syslogs for any filesystem or disk error messages |
| 05:29.03 | PastorEd | karsten: the /etc/passwd looks "normal"... and there is no /etc/nologin file. |
| 05:29.16 | magyar | PastorEd: what is the % sign for? |
| 05:29.28 | karsten | PastorEd: No missing filed delimiters? ':' where it should be? |
| 05:29.32 | jakelo | Hmm... it seems I can ssh and http into the machine but I can't seem to get out other than ping. Anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 05:29.34 | PastorEd | magyar: I'm pretty sure it means "search the entire contents of the file" |
| 05:29.46 | karsten | PastorEd: ... and anything in your /var/log/auth file about the time you tried a login? |
| 05:30.06 | karsten | PastorEd: Also try 'su <user>' as root. What happens? |
| 05:30.07 | PastorEd | karsten, my user name has three ,,, after it. |
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| 05:30.19 | karsten | PastorEd: ... that bypasses a few login checks. |
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| 05:30.28 | karsten | PastorEd: ,,, == GECOS field. That's normal. |
| 05:30.31 | PastorEd | AH! su user returns > no shell |
| 05:30.41 | PastorEd | THAT can't be good! |
| 05:30.51 | karsten | PastorEd: ... could be name, number, office location, it's ahold-ver from Multix days. |
| 05:31.07 | Solet` | how do i search apt i cant remember... apt-cache something or other |
| 05:31.13 | karsten | PastorEd: What's your user's shell, is it i nstalled, and is it in /etc/shells ? |
| 05:31.21 | karsten | !tell Solet` about search |
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| 05:31.23 | Phated | Oddly enouugh, apt-cache search. |
| 05:31.45 | PastorEd | Hey! Where'd my /bin/bash go? |
| 05:31.54 | nvz | Phated: are you the real phated? |
| 05:31.58 | Phated | I am. |
| 05:32.03 | karsten | PastorEd: Hrm. *That* could cause difficulties. |
| 05:32.12 | PastorEd | /etc/shells does NOT have /bin/bash in it... and that's pretty much all I use...! |
| 05:32.17 | nvz | Phated: peoples are chatting on your name.. got to kick their butts |
| 05:32.27 | Phated | nvz: Someday. Somewhere. |
| 05:32.38 | magyar | PastorEd: what do i do if the string i am searching for begins with "/" ? |
| 05:32.47 | karsten | PastorEd: It should. /join #flood for a sec |
| 05:32.51 | PastorEd | karsten: would echo "/bin/bash" >> /etc/shells be in order? |
| 05:32.58 | Phated | magyar: You search for \/ . |
| 05:33.03 | karsten | PastorEd: Yes. |
| 05:33.06 | PastorEd | karsten: okay... |
| 05:33.10 | nvz | Phated: how about today, where you are .. cause they are obviously people who have phsical access to your machine or network |
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| 05:33.19 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 05:33.25 | Phated | nvz: I know exactly who it was. |
| 05:33.30 | magyar | Phated: thanks |
| 05:33.35 | Phated | magyar: No problem. |
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| 05:34.04 | PastorEd | Karsten: what was that /join again? |
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| 05:34.21 | Solet` | doesnt debian have an aim client??? i dont see it in the list |
| 05:34.25 | Phated | gaim. |
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| 05:35.32 | karsten | PastorEd: #flood |
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| 05:35.45 | PastorEd | karsten: okay, I'm in #flood as well. Now what? |
| 05:35.50 | karsten | PastorEd: ... was wondering where you'd gone. |
| 05:36.54 | DaddyShortLegs | FTP Gurus - I have a weird problem with my FTP server. All has been fine, until today - can connect but get no listing. Works fine from DOS prompt - not from applications such as Dreamweaver, CuteFTP etc. Can upload ok. Just no listing. |
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| 05:37.27 | DaddyShortLegs | Also works fine from Linux prompt |
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| 05:37.49 | DaddyShortLegs | If anybody is able to throw in a few ideas, that would be great |
| 05:38.04 | magyar | Phated: i am trying to replace "/etc/bind with "secondary this is what i have /\"/etc/bind\>/\"secondary/ |
| 05:38.20 | magyar | doesnt work |
| 05:38.45 | karsten | magyar: You can also use an arbitrary delimiter. Eg: sed -e 's,/usr/bin/,/usr/local/bin/,g' |
| 05:38.51 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: your ftp client is behind a firewall that is not doing the right thing |
| 05:38.58 | Solet` | how can i make mozilla download a perticular extention instead of try to open it? |
| 05:39.01 | karsten | magyar: ... much more convenient when working with, say, filename paths. |
| 05:39.10 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: or behind a masquerading router i mean |
| 05:39.17 | karsten | Solet`: left click it, or use wget / curl instead ;-) |
| 05:39.18 | magyar | karsten: vim |
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| 05:39.32 | magyar | karsten: am editing a file |
| 05:39.40 | karsten | magyar: Check to see if it works there as well. I think it's part of the regex libraries. |
| 05:39.53 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: yep - I have a masquerading router, but not for FTP |
| 05:40.30 | PastorEd | Uh oh... "su user" now returns "no shell" again. |
| 05:40.47 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: ftp does not work behind a masquerading router, unless it gets 'special' treatment. What kidn of router is that? |
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| 05:41.02 | karsten | magyar: It works there as well, just tested it. |
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| 05:41.19 | karsten | PastorEd: does /bin/bash exist? |
| 05:41.24 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: I have debian Sarge running the FTP server, apache, and it also runs the firewall |
| 05:41.24 | magyar | karsten: how do i issue a "sed" command in vim? |
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| 05:41.34 | nvz | figures the memory card I find is some fucked up Action Replay card that is locked or some shit :( |
| 05:41.53 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: iptables |
| 05:41.55 | karsten | PastorEd: Try "chsh user". |
| 05:41.58 | PastorEd | karsten: yes, it's there. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 667340 2005-05-25 05:59 /bin/bash |
| 05:41.59 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: and what about your client? where is it connected? |
| 05:42.13 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: running a custom kernel? |
| 05:42.17 | karsten | magyar: Clarifying: the syntax I described works for vim substitutions. |
| 05:42.34 | karsten | magyar: You can also shell out in vim, and filter text. That's an advanced lesson |
| 05:42.43 | PastorEd | karsten: Okay, I did that... told it to use /bin/bash, and I'm *still* getting "no shell" |
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| 05:43.20 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: I have tried both from the internal network, and externally - same deal. Worked fine yesterday - I setup CVS - could the cvspserver stuff have anything to do with this? |
| 05:43.33 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: nah its your firewall |
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| 05:43.54 | magyar | karsten: thats to complex lets just stik with "%s/what-you-want-to-find/what-you-want-to-replace-it-with/g" |
| 05:43.55 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: Sorry - the server has two NICS - Internal IP, and External IP |
| 05:44.24 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: you didnt tell me yet if you run a custom kernel |
| 05:44.24 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: You wanna see my firewall rules (only a few)? |
| 05:44.36 | DaddyShortLegs | No custom kernel |
| 05:44.39 | PastorEd | sigh... I **really** don't want to overwrite this partition... but it's looking like I"m going to have to do that... |
| 05:44.58 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: No custom kernel |
| 05:44.59 | Coke | PastorEd: the lord giveth and the lord taketh. :) |
| 05:45.06 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: no i dont, i cant really fix the firewall for you. |
| 05:45.17 | PastorEd | Coke: ah ah ah... don't blame God for MY screwup... ! |
| 05:45.26 | karsten | PastorEd: Hrml |
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| 05:45.28 | Coke | PastorEd: why not? people give him cred for their success. |
| 05:45.32 | karsten | PastorEd: ... hrm, even. |
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| 05:45.41 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: The Firewall hasn't changed - that's what has me stumped |
| 05:45.43 | PastorEd | He raises the dead. *I* borked the system... |
| 05:45.51 | Coke | karsten: HRML; HTML with a grudge. ;) |
| 05:45.53 | karsten | magyar: %s,/some/path,/some/other/path,g |
| 05:46.07 | karsten | Coke: Heh |
| 05:46.19 | karsten | Coke: ... the throat-clearing markup language. |
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| 05:46.47 | Coke | PastorEd: in the US he does so much more. he made Mariah Carey, G Bush Jr and the Dallas Cowboys successful. At least according to them. |
| 05:46.52 | Solet` | with wget how do i tell it where to save to?... i'm in the man file but its ambiguous as ever |
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| 05:47.07 | karsten | Solet`: '-O <filename>' |
| 05:47.09 | stew | Solet`: -O |
| 05:47.11 | ke6isf | karsten: And being that this is now some horrible hour, my brain is trying to develop the next 01Apr RFC. The subject: HRML. |
| 05:47.17 | PastorEd | Coke: Funny... I talk to Him all the time, and He's never mentioned them! (with a nod to Ladyhawke) |
| 05:47.19 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: ftp to work behind a nat router needs the module(s) ip_conntrack_ftp and/or ip_nat_ftp to be loaded at least. I cant help you with further details unfortunately |
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| 05:47.34 | karsten | ke6isf: Power to you ;-) |
| 05:47.40 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: you could try switching from or to PASV mode on your client |
| 05:47.45 | ke6isf | paster: Touche. =^_^= |
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| 05:47.53 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: Any ideas why it couold be working yesterday, and not now, considering the Firewall HASN'T CHANGED |
| 05:48.04 | karsten | ke6isf: ... alternatively, "her royal magesty's language..." |
| 05:48.06 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: Tried that |
| 05:48.13 | valdyn | DaddyShortLegs: it has changed somewhere, its a firewall issue. |
| 05:48.28 | PastorEd | I'm *STILL* getting "unable to cd to /home/user" |
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| 05:48.46 | karsten | PastorEd: Sounds to me like two seperate issues. |
| 05:48.52 | ke6isf | karsten: You know, people tend to say that queen's English is incomprehensible, so I think you're onto something. |
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| 05:49.14 | PastorEd | should the /etc/fstab entry for the partion be "notail" instead of "default"? |
| 05:49.16 | Bhaal | Okey guys, whats the quickest way to set and use a font server for xorg between machines? |
| 05:49.18 | magyar | karsten: thank you, i almost had it with %s/\/etc\/bind/ and so forth , but your way blows it out of the water |
| 05:49.31 | caphuso | PastorEd: what does "ls -ld / /home" say about ownership and permissions? |
| 05:49.37 | st | I need some help here |
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| 05:49.58 | ke6isf | !tell st -about ask |
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| 05:50.13 | st | when booting my Dell server with Debian woody installed, I get only "LI_" at the bootup |
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| 05:50.15 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: Trust me - it is not a firewall issue - I manage the firewall. That was my first thought, and after some investigation, it turns out not to be |
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| 05:50.15 | PastorEd | ls -ld / = drwx------ 23 root root 656 2005-09-14 17:18 / |
| 05:50.17 | Phated | PastorEd: Can you cd into this as a normal user? |
| 05:50.29 | ke6isf | st: What have you changed? |
| 05:50.34 | caphuso | PastorEd: you fucked up the permissions |
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| 05:50.37 | PastorEd | ls -ld /home = drwxrwsr-x 3 root staff 72 2005-09-14 22:36 /home |
| 05:50.48 | karsten | magyar: Quite. |
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| 05:50.50 | caphuso | PastorEd: chmod 755 / |
| 05:50.53 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: Hence why I popped in here to see if anybody else had any ideas |
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| 05:51.07 | Solet` | how do i make wget download in binary instead of ascii |
| 05:51.21 | PastorEd | caphuso: are you sure?? |
| 05:51.24 | Coke | Solet`: man wget |
| 05:51.29 | DaddyShortLegs | valdyn: You obviously have run out, so maybe somebody else has some ideas |
| 05:51.33 | caphuso | PastorEd: yes |
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| 05:51.36 | karsten | st: That is a LILO FAQ. IIRC it means your disk geometry doesn' tmatch what LILO expects. Personally I'd recommend doing GRUB, via a boot disk. |
| 05:51.44 | Solet` | coke i have... its about as helpful as every other man page... |
| 05:51.45 | DaddyShortLegs | Anybody good with freaky FTP problems? |
| 05:51.57 | karsten | PastorEd: That's a borked root filesystem permissions. |
| 05:52.01 | Gumby | has anyone else seen this... I have only seen it in debian and the same hardware works with other distros.... when trying to do a net install, the dhcp request is sent out, the sever sees it and gives a dhcpoffer, but the client never gets/responds to the offer. |
| 05:52.02 | ke6isf | !anybody |
| 05:52.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:52.10 | Coke | Solet`: strange, I get by on man pages most of the time. What is this binary vs ascii thing you are talking about? |
| 05:52.11 | PastorEd | THAT'S IT!!! |
| 05:52.12 | Bhaal | How do I configure X to use a font server on a different host rather then regular font paths? |
| 05:52.12 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: That said, I can probably figure it out. What's up? |
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| 05:52.17 | karsten | PastorEd: Should be 755 (rwxr-xr-x) |
| 05:52.19 | PastorEd | Whoo whoo! Thanks, everyone! |
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| 05:52.27 | karsten | PastorEd: ... more to the point, why'd it change? |
| 05:52.29 | PastorEd | caphuso, right on the moola! |
| 05:52.41 | Coke | Oh, it's a miracle! |
| 05:52.48 | jm_ | Bhaal: do you know how the syntax for fontpath elements looks like? |
| 05:52.54 | karsten | PastorEd: ... and come to think of it, that *might* have happened when trying to build a package, maybe. |
| 05:53.00 | PastorEd | karsten: I don't know... the only thing I can think of is that I borked something with Ctrl+C in the midst of something crucial. |
| 05:53.02 | Solet` | coke: man pages just confuse me... they are way to fuckin technical i need wget to download in binary instead of ascii |
| 05:53.06 | Bhaal | jm_: Other then whats in the xorg.conf file, I dont sorry |
| 05:53.07 | jjazz | I'm trying to share a printer using IPP. I've set it up after reading several howtos, but the win box doesn't see the printer. Is there a way to check whether the IPP broadcast is working? Or to otherwise troubleshoot the problem? All the docs say it should just work, but it doesn't and I don't know where to start looking. |
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| 05:53.19 | Solet` | i downloaded a .deb and it said its been corrupted by downloading in binary mode |
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| 05:53.24 | PastorEd | Coke: heh... not exactly what I'd call a suspension of natural law... but I'm sure thankful, nonetheless. |
| 05:53.25 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: A weird one - can connect to FTP server fine. Can transfer files fine. Can get a listing via a command line app. Can't get a listing using apps like CuteFTP or Dreamweaver |
| 05:53.27 | Coke | Solet`: why do you think it's a difference? |
| 05:53.27 | karsten | Solet`: wget doesn't distinguish binary/ascii. |
| 05:53.32 | Bhaal | jm_: FontPath "unix/:7100" <--- that? |
| 05:53.43 | karsten | Solet`: ... unlike ftp which Does The Wrong Thing |
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| 05:53.54 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: You're on Windows, aren't you? |
| 05:53.55 | jm_ | Bhaal: that's for PF_UNIX connections, man X, read section FONT SERVER NAMES |
| 05:54.05 | stew | Solet`: "it said its been corrupted" <- what exactly said exactly what? |
| 05:54.11 | Bhaal | jm_: Okey, thanks |
| 05:54.20 | ke6isf | Solet`: What .deb are you downloading, and why are you downloading it? |
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| 05:54.25 | Coke | PastorEd: perhaps not, but pretty damn darn borderline. :) |
| 05:54.25 | PastorEd | Thanks, everyone. I appreciate it. I'd better get back to work. Shalom, Peace, GBYLBT! |
| 05:54.37 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: Yep - everything worked fine until today - all that has changed has been an install of CVS on the same server |
| 05:54.38 | Solet` | ok i used wget to get the new aim linux client... i got "file looks like it might be an archinve which nas been corrupted by being downloaded in ASCII mode" |
| 05:54.46 | PastorEd | GBYLBT = God Bless Your Linux Box Today |
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| 05:54.58 | Coke | Solet`: that's just their fuckup |
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| 05:55.01 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: So why are you asking us this question in a channel that supports a Linux distribution? |
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| 05:55.23 | ke6isf | Solet`: Um, 'apt-get install gaim'. |
| 05:55.23 | Phated | Solet`: apt-get install gaim. Whee. Done. |
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| 05:56.20 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: Because nothing has changed on the Windows machine, I have exhausted Windows related investigations, and I am connecting to a Debian server (which I manage) |
| 05:56.57 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: As far as I know, it could be a server related issue - hence why I am here |
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| 05:57.14 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: Can you duplicate the problem with other FTP clients, e.g. ncftp, or just basic ftp? |
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| 05:57.53 | Coke | Solet`: append type=i |
| 05:58.01 | Coke | Solet`: wget ftp://somewhere/somefile;type=i |
| 05:58.09 | Gnea | ``````vfg |
| 05:58.15 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: Yes - same results using both CuteFTP and Dreamweaver. Using DOS prompt, or Linux prompt all is OK |
| 05:58.44 | Coke | Solet`: when the man page fails, google. I found it on the second page I looked at. |
| 05:58.54 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: Install ncftp on the windows box, and try it that way. |
| 05:58.55 | Coke | Solet`: whether it works or not, though... :) |
| 05:58.56 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: The apps connect OK, change directories ok, upload ok, they just don't get a listing. |
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| 05:59.45 | Coke | Is it considered a bug that a package lacks vital documentation? |
| 05:59.47 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: Tell me something, is there a firewall of any flavor between the Windows box and the Linux box? |
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| 06:00.29 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: Yes - as I mentioned earlier - this hasn't changed for AGES and the FTP server has been operating correctly since the hills were made |
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| 06:00.47 | Mxyzpltk | DaddyShortLegs: have you tried using different ftp servers? |
| 06:00.56 | chant | If anyone is here who was here last night, I got it working! |
| 06:00.57 | chant | woot! |
| 06:01.01 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: What version of Debian, and what ftpd are you using? |
| 06:01.04 | chant | PXE install of debian-amd64 on a new motherboard. |
| 06:01.14 | ke6isf | !beer chant |
| 06:01.26 | chant | had to patch the debian-installer kernel..but it is all good |
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| 06:01.47 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: Not as yet - I'd rather work out the problem before changing FTP servers (this is a production server) |
| 06:01.52 | chant | cross-compiling amd64 kernels is not fun. |
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| 06:01.56 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: Just humor me. |
| 06:02.17 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: Also, follow Mxyzpltk's suggestion - try other ftp servers yet? |
| 06:02.38 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: What "other FTP servers" do you suggest? |
| 06:02.51 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: anonymous to hobbes.nmsu.edu, just for grins. |
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| 06:03.26 | Mxyzpltk | DaddyShortLegs: connect any client to any anonymous ftp server out ther in the net, ftp.us.kernel.org for example, if you get everything right you'll be able to rule out client, nat and firewall problems and focus on your own server |
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| 06:04.23 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: As for the versions question, it helps to know this if we're going to answer questions. |
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| 06:05.30 | DaddyShortLegs | Mxyzpltk & ke6isf: Ok - the brains trust has ticked off the client as the culprit - connected fine to hobbes.nmsu.edu |
| 06:06.03 | DaddyShortLegs | Mxyzpltk & ke6isf: So - from here, what would cause the directory listing to screw up, but not other things, like transfers, etc? |
| 06:06.14 | Mxyzpltk | did you check syslog messages or any other log your ftp server use for errors from ftp server or filesystem? |
| 06:06.28 | DaddyShortLegs | Mxyzpltk: Yep - Nothing |
| 06:06.38 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: Still need to know which Debian and ftpd you're running. |
| 06:06.54 | Mxyzpltk | try connecting to localhost from your server, see what you can get |
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| 06:07.09 | nvz | the memory management on game consoles really blows. if the next gen consoles dont address this I am going to have to start building my own devices and software to backup and manipulate my data |
| 06:07.40 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: Debian Sarge |
| 06:07.41 | ke6isf | Mxyzpltk: What I'm observing is that there are probably issues with PASV download connections on this server. It might not be the server itself, but something else. |
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| 06:07.58 | john | Anybody know of a decent online iptables manual? I'm a little lost. |
| 06:08.01 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: And the ftpd? |
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| 06:08.23 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: wu or pro? |
| 06:08.30 | Bhaal | jm_: Okey, Ive got the remote xserver talking to the font server on this machine, but its complaining about no default fixed font... How do I fix that? |
| 06:08.43 | Mxyzpltk | ke6isf: I did not follow this from the beggining, so you know better |
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| 06:09.02 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: Silly question - where do I find that? |
| 06:09.04 | ke6isf | Mxyzpltk: Indeed. |
| 06:09.06 | DaddyShortLegs | The version |
| 06:09.42 | DaddyShortLegs | Version 6.4/OpenBSD/Linux-ftpd-0.17 |
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| 06:10.19 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: The openbsd daemon... |
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| 06:10.44 | lastnode | anybody here used the rt2570 driver for their wifi card? |
| 06:10.48 | lastnode | usb wifi |
| 06:11.08 | bob2 | lastnode: this is not an appriroate place for questions about Ubuntu |
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| 06:11.30 | lastnode | ok sorry |
| 06:11.35 | jm_ | Bhaal: make sure xfs exports misc dir |
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| 06:11.53 | BlackJudas | Is there a repository out there that replaces (or mirrors) marillat's repo? |
| 06:11.59 | sigma957 | how do I use lsof to find out what program is running a process I see in my ps list? |
| 06:12.20 | Bhaal | jm_: Its the first thing in the config file in /etc/X11/fs/config |
| 06:12.26 | Bhaal | Well first catalog |
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| 06:12.38 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: I'm stumped. Sorry. |
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| 06:12.57 | cheal | I believe bob2 has a script |
| 06:13.14 | Segers_J | sigma957: you don't use lsof for that, you trace the parent process id. |
| 06:13.15 | chesty | hello, how do I automate the installation of a single package that uses debconf? |
| 06:13.17 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: By the sound of it, it sounds like PASV download connections aren't working. You haven't mentioned anything about file transfers themselves, only dir listings - so I'd assume that 'get foo' would fail as well. |
| 06:13.19 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: No worries - I'll eventually sort it out. Can you suggest another FTP server to try on my Debian box? |
| 06:13.27 | Bhaal | jm_: What else after that needs to be done? |
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| 06:13.42 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: I use proftpd, myself. Works damn good - though ftp is deprecated in favor of sftp, due to plaintext passwords. |
| 06:13.43 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: No - file transfers work fine |
| 06:13.47 | bob2 | cheal: no |
| 06:13.48 | sigma957 | Segers_J: okay how do I do that then? |
| 06:13.50 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: up *and* down? |
| 06:13.52 | Bhaal | jm_: for the font path Im using tcp/<ip>:7100/all |
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| 06:13.59 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: Yep |
| 06:14.00 | cheal | bob2: well, it could be useful :) |
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| 06:14.08 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: That's really weird. |
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| 06:14.20 | DaddyShortLegs | ke6isf: and command based FTP, I can issue an ls command, and that is fine |
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| 06:14.36 | Segers_J | sigma957: err, look in /proc/<the process number> |
| 06:14.44 | sigma957 | thanks |
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| 06:15.32 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: Then it's something in PASV. Last time I had this problem it was on OS/2 using raw ftp from behind a proxy. |
| 06:15.37 | drzoot|laptop | anyone know how to specify which ip's are allowed to connect in mysql server? |
| 06:15.39 | ke6isf | DaddyShortLegs: Beyond that, I don't know how to fix it |
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| 06:16.25 | Mxyzpltk | gui clients should be able to work passive or active, did you toggled that and check? |
| 06:16.28 | LootBeer | how do i know what cd burners i have in my box??? |
| 06:16.43 | `DamN` | cdrecord -scanbus |
| 06:16.46 | `DamN` | try this |
| 06:16.57 | `DamN` | it depends on kernel you have on your box |
| 06:17.05 | DaddyShortLegs | Mxyzpltk: Yeah - tried both of them |
| 06:17.28 | `DamN` | LootBeer: cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus |
| 06:18.14 | Mxyzpltk | it doesn't make sense for cli ftp to work and guis to fail, are you sure nothing else has changed? windows auto update or something? |
| 06:18.17 | bob2 | LootBeer: is it an IDE one? |
| 06:18.28 | Segers_J | LootBeer: if you have a 2.4 kernel you have to load the ide-scsi driver to use a burner, there is a great howto at , er, um tldp.org (I think) |
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| 06:19.09 | DaddyShortLegs | Nothin' |
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| 06:19.29 | DaddyShortLegs | The Apps don't even display any errors - they think they are getting the listing fine |
| 06:19.34 | DaddyShortLegs | COMMAND:>PASV |
| 06:19.34 | DaddyShortLegs | 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,0,1,216,127) |
| 06:19.34 | DaddyShortLegs | COMMAND:>LIST |
| 06:19.34 | DaddyShortLegs | STATUS:> Connecting FTP data socket 192.168.0.1:55423... |
| 06:19.34 | DaddyShortLegs | 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for '/bin/ls'. |
| 06:19.34 | DaddyShortLegs | 226 Transfer complete. |
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| 06:19.50 | DaddyShortLegs | Woops |
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| 06:20.31 | Bhaal | jm_: I have the font server running, and it is listening to tcp requests... Ive made sure all that is correct, I can telnet to the port from the remote machine and it answers... |
| 06:20.43 | DaddyShortLegs | Ahh well - I'll work it out eventually. I'll just get my users to use command line FTP for a little while |
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| 06:20.59 | quad3dx | http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/qmail-src anyone know if that has QMAILQUEUE patch? |
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| 06:21.30 | DaddyShortLegs | Thanks guys for your help |
| 06:21.50 | DaddyShortLegs | I'll pop back in and let you know what the problem was.......when I work it out |
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| 06:24.52 | jm_ | Bhaal: tried without /all? |
| 06:24.53 | mhall | G'day all. My lag is a bit high. Is anybody here? |
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| 06:25.41 | mhall | Damn IRC. |
| 06:25.54 | `DamN` | ;-) irc ? or your connection ? |
| 06:26.03 | Bhaal | jm_: no :) |
| 06:26.10 | ke6isf | mhall: Perhaps your lag needs to stop snorting cocaine then? =^_-= |
| 06:26.16 | mhall | `DamN`: Good question. I'm not sure. |
| 06:26.19 | mhall | ke6isf: agreed |
| 06:26.31 | sigma957 | mhall: Evening, I'm here at least |
| 06:26.37 | mhall | Part of the problem is that I cannot connect to the US OPN server aliases. |
| 06:26.44 | mhall | s/OPN/freenode/ |
| 06:27.32 | Bhaal | jm_: Okey, that stopped it complaing about fixed font, but its still not starting... Will try something else... |
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| 06:28.06 | jm_ | Bhaal: check the logfile |
| 06:28.19 | mhall | Hey has anybody tried that new C# program Beagle? It seems pretty sweet. |
| 06:28.29 | SimonRaven | not yet |
| 06:28.32 | Bhaal | jm_: Yeah tis cool... kernel modules problem :) |
| 06:28.34 | mhall | I can finally search all of my many GB of crap I've accumulated over the years. |
| 06:28.43 | jm_ | Bhaal: AGP crap? |
| 06:28.54 | mhall | SimonRaven: There's a deb in unstabled and it seems to work for me. |
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| 06:29.04 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 06:29.08 | Guerin | mhall: it's supposed to be a good load-testing app |
| 06:29.14 | mhall | It's most def. a lot better than the desktop search shit I'd tried on Windows. |
| 06:29.15 | jm_ | is that desktop search thingy? |
| 06:29.45 | mhall | Guerin: Yes at first, because indexing huge numbers of GB is pretty demanding. But if you leave BEAGLE_EXERCISE_THE_DOG unset then it only runs on idle. |
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| 06:30.06 | Guerin | mhall: heh |
| 06:30.09 | host` | back in windows now |
| 06:30.12 | host` | :/ |
| 06:31.10 | mhall | Guerin: I stumbled across it trying to get indexing for SUSv3 |
| 06:32.34 | Guerin | SUSv3? is that what Susevell is doign nowadays? |
| 06:33.35 | Bhaal | jm_: Actually it wasnt anything like that, I was playing with .xinitrc before... it finished and ended :) So all good... Im trying to get a reliable xdmx setup going between 2 dualhead machines... |
| 06:33.39 | Bhaal | jm_: brb |
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| 06:35.13 | Bhaal | jm_: But my issue at the moment is to do with GDK having BadAlloc errors with anything I gnome related I try and open... (I use kde though) |
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| 06:35.56 | Solet` | hey anyone know how to change the margin size for openoffice word? |
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| 06:36.56 | mhall | What do I need to play an AAC stream? |
| 06:37.01 | jm_ | Bhaal: I've seen that happen with some apps when I had defoma in font path, but it's old apps, new ones work fine with it |
| 06:37.10 | meff | what are the gdlib pkgs in debian called? an app i have needs php gdlib but i cant seem to find it in any pkgs, nor apt-cache search |
| 06:37.15 | mhall | xmms gets stuck in an infinite pre-buffer loop. |
| 06:38.17 | Guerin | mhall: mplayer |
| 06:38.36 | cheal | meff: libgd? |
| 06:38.38 | Bhaal | jm_: It only does it with xdmx ... normally no issues... |
| 06:38.52 | mhall | Guerin: HIBT? |
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| 06:39.40 | mhall | Which mplay deb is correct for AthXP 1800+ |
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| 06:39.55 | Guerin | mhall: not at all |
| 06:40.05 | Guerin | mhall: k6 or 386 will be fine |
| 06:40.16 | helpme | i started apt-get install eclipse..hoe do i stop it? |
| 06:40.24 | helpme | help plz |
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| 06:40.31 | mhall | mplayer is uglier than the other players :-/ |
| 06:40.42 | mhall | I wish it had the interface of kaffeine or xine. |
| 06:40.44 | helpme | i started apt-get install eclipse......how to stop it? |
| 06:40.52 | mhall | And noatun is nice but flaky. |
| 06:40.57 | cheal | helpme: Ctrl+C |
| 06:40.59 | sep | helpme, is it downloadingf or installing ? during download you can ctrl+c, if i'ts installing i would rather let it finish and then purge it |
| 06:41.06 | mhall | Amarok is a nice idea but won't let me catalog my music by track name. |
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| 06:41.36 | cheal | mhall: what do you mean by "catalog my music by track name"? |
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| 06:41.49 | helpme | its fetching i think......i closed the terminal....how to stop it now? |
| 06:42.03 | sep | helpme, then it's probably stopped already |
| 06:42.19 | sep | check with ps aux |
| 06:42.26 | mhall | cheal: Alright. So, you use amarok. It has a music indexer on the left side. |
| 06:42.28 | helpme | but my modem is blinking |
| 06:42.43 | mhall | cheal: You can sort by artist, album, etc. Everything _except_ the name of the track. |
| 06:42.59 | mhall | cheal: And I'm too incompetent with its interface so far to find some way of making this happen. |
| 06:43.16 | mhall | cheal: I fully admit it's probably me just being clueless. But I couldn't figure it out nonetheless. |
| 06:43.27 | mhall | cheal: And the program definitely is not making it easy for me either. |
| 06:43.34 | cheal | mhall: you have several tracks with the same name? |
| 06:46.28 | mhall | cheal: Not that. I just think of my tracks by name. |
| 06:46.35 | mhall | cheal: Not by artist or album. |
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| 06:46.58 | l3oddah | hi, can anyone help me out? |
| 06:47.07 | cheal | l3oddah: tough question |
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| 06:47.31 | l3oddah | cheal: heh, ok, i'm brand new to linux running debian 3.1 on a amd64 arch |
| 06:47.56 | cheal | mhall: ah, so you'd need the first level filter to offer "None" too... |
| 06:48.16 | l3oddah | cheal: I have an NVIDIA graph card, and can't get over 4 colors, so i was going to install the driver from nvidia, but the installer says it can't find my kernel-source |
| 06:48.23 | mhall | cheal: I suppose that's what I'd need. |
| 06:48.38 | mhall | cheal: The problem is that amarok is for people who are album centric. |
| 06:48.40 | cheal | mhall: I just use the search field, but I guess you could open an RFE |
| 06:48.46 | mhall | cheal: And I have a bifurcated collection. |
| 06:49.01 | mhall | cheal: Part of it's album centric. And part of it is J Random Tune by J Random Artist. |
| 06:49.14 | mhall | cheal: I thought everybody had a random music folder or three. |
| 06:49.31 | mhall | cheal: Evidently the developers don't. |
| 06:49.35 | quad3dx | DON'T NEED GIRLFRIEND! |
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| 06:49.51 | l3oddah | cheal: i have kernel 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8, i got kernel-source-2.6.8 but don't know what to do with it now |
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| 06:50.21 | ulek | quad3dx, who tell you need? ;p |
| 06:50.38 | cheal | l3oddah: you don't need kernel source |
| 06:50.39 | Guerin | quad3dx: need clue |
| 06:50.48 | cheal | l3oddah: since you don't want nvidia.com's installer |
| 06:50.55 | cheal | !tell l3oddah about nvidia-howto |
| 06:51.06 | quad3dx | ;) |
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| 06:51.29 | l3oddah | cheal: thanks i'll check that out |
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| 06:57.31 | compguymac | can anyone help with a network prob? trying to share files from one linux box to another |
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| 06:57.44 | compguymac | i get a login screen, but keeps saying my user and or password is wrong...? |
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| 06:57.51 | Guerin | compguymac: by what mechanism? |
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| 06:58.20 | compguymac | samba? |
| 06:58.22 | compguymac | 1 sec, brb |
| 06:58.36 | mhall | Guerin: hey hey, mplayer doesn't do it either |
| 06:58.49 | mhall | Guerin: it asked for 10 billion dlls so i dled them all, no luck though |
| 06:58.54 | mhall | Guerin: nor did i get a decent error |
| 07:01.06 | jim | compguymac: maybe you forgot or mistyped your passwd? |
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| 07:01.46 | ulek | ;p |
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| 07:02.24 | smurf | Hey, can someone tell me why it's so hard to get nvidia drivers working on 3.1 sarge? and why is it installed with xfree86 instead of xorg? |
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| 07:02.46 | sep | smurf, xorg wasnt stable enoughf when sarge was released, it had just forked |
| 07:02.56 | smurf | oh really? okay. |
| 07:03.02 | sep | smurf, and i have never had the nvidia one liner fail me on 4 sarge installes |
| 07:03.10 | Guerin | mhall: your stream is broken |
| 07:03.24 | Overfiend | smurf: re: xorg in sarge, http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans |
| 07:03.26 | sep | !tell smurf about nvidia one liner |
| 07:03.54 | Overfiend | sep: not precisely true. X.Org technically never "forked" from XFree86, as X.Org was around when XFree86 was founded. |
| 07:04.02 | smurf | sep: well, see when I download the driver from the nvidia site, and try to install, it NEVER finds the kernel to compile with, online or on my comp |
| 07:04.13 | cheal | smurf: it's not so hard, but it's not easy. they're proprietary drivers |
| 07:04.15 | Overfiend | sep: it's just that nobody gave a damn about X.Org (except perhaps Sun) until XFree86 started running people out of their organization. |
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| 07:04.22 | jm_ | smurf: PEBKAC |
| 07:04.24 | sep | Overfiend, correct, but do we realy want to get into the details when the point is it is not in sarge |
| 07:04.24 | Guerin | mhall: there's another tool which might play it, lemme see |
| 07:04.25 | mhall | Guerin: Well I switched it to MP3 mode anyhow. |
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| 07:04.29 | Guerin | mhall: wise. |
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| 07:04.32 | cheal | smurf: you're doing it the wrong way |
| 07:04.33 | Overfiend | sep: I gave him a URL to the gory details :) |
| 07:04.50 | smurf | Ubuntu is really easy though, it's actually IN the package manager to download and install automaticly |
| 07:04.50 | Overfiend | sep: in any case, I prefer accurate summaries to inaccurate ones :) |
| 07:04.53 | sep | smurf, dont dowload drivers use the nvidia one liner, |
| 07:04.57 | ulek | i have problems with nvidia drivers to ;p |
| 07:05.04 | smurf | nvidia one liner? |
| 07:05.06 | smurf | whassat |
| 07:05.11 | sep | !tell ulek about nvidia one liner |
| 07:05.14 | sep | !tell smurf about nvidia one liner |
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| 07:05.19 | sep | you dont see that ? |
| 07:05.20 | cheal | !tell smurf about nvidia one-liner |
| 07:05.22 | mhall | Overfiend: What is the difference between xf86 and x.org simply put? Is it x.org who is the repository for the core code, and xf86 that forked it to write versions for the free unices (oddly enough including those not of the x86 nature). |
| 07:05.24 | Overfiend | dpkg: tell me about nvidia one-liner |
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| 07:05.41 | Overfiend | mhall: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#xfree86fork |
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| 07:05.50 | smurf | thanks everyone haha |
| 07:05.51 | mhall | Overfiend: I looked into it myself but was quite confused by the stifling bureaucraticality! |
| 07:05.55 | jm_ | dpkg, tell everyoneandtheirdog about msg |
| 07:06.03 | cheal | Overfiend: usr /msg dpkg foo |
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| 07:06.11 | cheal | Overfiend: s/usr/use |
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| 07:06.24 | Overfiend | cheal: yeah, yeah :) |
| 07:06.27 | Overfiend | what a grody one-liner. |
| 07:06.49 | ulek | i have gcc 3.4 ver and the drivers needs gcc 2.95 ;p |
| 07:06.51 | cheal | I don't really like the one-liner, but the HOWTO is quite imperect |
| 07:06.56 | cheal | imperfect |
| 07:07.00 | jm_ | that's why Debian provides both gcc versions |
| 07:07.03 | cheal | ulek: really? |
| 07:07.19 | ulek | yeah ;p |
| 07:07.33 | jim | right, are you sure? if it does, then maybe there are newer versions of the driver |
| 07:07.36 | mhall | Overfiend: That's a beautifully written document you've given me. Thanks. |
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| 07:07.54 | naoshige | hey what's the timezone in florida? |
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| 07:08.11 | jm_ | naoshige: how is that Debian related? |
| 07:08.16 | sep | ulek, you can't get the one liner to work ? |
| 07:08.17 | jm_ | and have you never heard of google? |
| 07:08.22 | Overfiend | mhall: Okay, trying to say it one line. First there was MIT. Then there was the X Consortium. Then there was Unix on i386 machines. Then there was an X server called X386. Then there was a continuation of X386 called XFree86 because X386 went proprietary. Then the X Consortium dissolved and handed the standard sample implementation to X.Org. Then XFree86 got more and more successful. |
| 07:08.23 | cheal | naoshige: I guess #slackware would know as much |
| 07:08.34 | naoshige | hehe |
| 07:08.38 | naoshige | come on guys |
| 07:08.47 | naoshige | EST GMT -5? |
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| 07:09.13 | Overfiend | mhall: sorry, gonna need two lines. Then XFree86 attracted developers who had different ideas than the original XFree86 founders -- at those who were left. So there was a fight. XFree86 people started to defect to X.Org, since it was largely ignored and was susceptible to a takeover by FLOSS geeks. |
| 07:09.13 | stew | naoshige: yes, but currently in florida, its EDT, GMT -4 |
| 07:09.24 | sep | naoshige, http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/florida_time_zone.shtml the first bloody hit on google |
| 07:09.27 | ulek | i dont know how to change the gcc no older version ;p |
| 07:09.43 | sep | ulek, just alter the symlink debian have both |
| 07:09.55 | ulek | how? |
| 07:10.03 | smurf | so, how does one get xorg on deb 3.1? |
| 07:10.09 | Overfiend | mhall: sorry, gonna need three lines. So the FLOSS geeks took over X.org. Then XFree86 decided that this was all just a pretext for erasing the name David Dawes from the history books, to say nothing of the text of manual pages and copyright notices. So XFree86 adopted a GPL-incompatible license. Then everyone else started ignoring XFree86. |
| 07:10.10 | jm_ | smurf: with skills |
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| 07:10.14 | Overfiend | mhall: there you go |
| 07:10.15 | smurf | lol |
| 07:10.27 | stew | smurf: /msg dpkg xorg sarge (as it says in the topic) |
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| 07:10.29 | jim | naoshige: your search skills are so bad that you yourself can't use them? :) |
| 07:10.32 | mhall | Overfiend: hahaha! Thanks for this. I could not comprehend it before. |
| 07:10.36 | mhall | !beer Overfiend |
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| 07:11.07 | clem_yeats | bjour keikoz, parle en Anglais ici.. |
| 07:11.17 | Overfiend | mhall: np. The longer version is in the FAQ :) |
| 07:11.20 | keikoz | misère je ne fais que saluer, ça va |
| 07:11.36 | mhall | Overfiend: So who is David Dawes? The originaly copyright holder? |
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| 07:11.38 | naoshige | hehe |
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| 07:11.46 | clem_yeats | keikoz : not too bad, how's it gone mate ? |
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| 07:12.06 | cheal | clem_yeats: I think he didn't mean that :) |
| 07:12.11 | mhall | Overfiend: And, wrt to the X.Org code used in Debian, does it come from X.Org or freedesktop.org? And what is the difference there also? |
| 07:12.16 | Overfiend | mhall: David Dawes was one of the four original guys who founded XFree86, and was the only one who really remained a major contributor to it for the duration. |
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| 07:12.33 | clem_yeats | cheal : my mistake.. :) |
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| 07:12.52 | Overfiend | mhall: X.Org and freedesktop.org are technically seprate organizations, but in practice the X.Org X11 sample implementation is run out of freedesktop.org. |
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| 07:13.26 | Overfiend | mhall: The people who make decisions about when to tag/release, and things like that, are freedesktop.org people. A few people wear both hats. |
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| 07:13.38 | cheal | ulek: what does cat /proc/version return? |
| 07:13.41 | mhall | Overfiend: So X.Org is more of a specification storehouse? |
| 07:13.44 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: The explanation to the lyrics has a good summary of what went down. http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#36 |
| 07:14.10 | jm_ | I wonder if anyone from those two will reply to FONT SERVER NAMES |
| 07:14.14 | jm_ | gah |
| 07:14.20 | jm_ | http://www.freedesktop.org/~jonsmirl/graphics.html |
| 07:14.21 | Overfiend | mhall: Yes, and they own the copyrights to the MIT/X Consortium era code, plus certain things they did on their own fairly late in the first era of X development. |
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| 07:14.38 | Overfiend | mhall: Such as the RX extension, which, as far as is known, no one ever used. |
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| 07:14.58 | ulek | cheal, Linux version 2.6.12 (root@ulek) (gcc version 3.4.5 20050706 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.4-5)) #1 Fri Aug 19 16:19:50 CEST 200 |
| 07:14.59 | compguymac | jim, no, its the right password |
| 07:15.04 | compguymac | jim, and the right user |
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| 07:16.05 | cheal | ulek: you certainly don't need gcc2 to compile nvidia |
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| 07:16.38 | compguymac | ulek, you trying to install nvidia drivers? |
| 07:16.45 | ulek | yes |
| 07:16.45 | Guerin | !tell ulek about nvidia one liner |
| 07:16.58 | compguymac | do you need help ulek ? |
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| 07:17.12 | ulek | th problem was with gcc version |
| 07:17.22 | ulek | actually not ;p |
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| 07:17.34 | compguymac | o |
| 07:17.41 | compguymac | just update gcc with apt-get ulek |
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| 07:18.17 | ulek | i have lates version |
| 07:18.17 | Guerin | use CC to change the default compiler |
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| 07:18.36 | ulek | Guerin, how to do it ? |
| 07:18.36 | Guerin | or MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3,4" |
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| 07:18.51 | Guerin | ulek: you need the version the kernel was built with, which is not the latest |
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| 07:19.02 | Guerin | i'm working, others can show you |
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| 07:19.13 | mhall | Overfiend: RX extension? |
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| 07:19.26 | jim | or you can try to find out yourself (preferred) |
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| 07:19.36 | ulek | ok |
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| 07:19.37 | mhall | Overfiend: RX extension? |
| 07:19.40 | Overfiend | mhall: obscure. An extension designed to let you run an X client within a web browser. |
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| 07:21.13 | mhall | Overfiend: ! hmm |
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| 07:21.27 | mhall | Overfiend: somewhat like a Java applet except not non-free? |
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| 07:22.01 | dna_ | how do I mount a portable usb hdd? |
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| 07:22.37 | compguymac | mount /dev/... /media/usb |
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| 07:23.17 | Overfiend | mhall: Kind of. I don't actually know much more about it than what I said. |
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| 07:23.26 | Overfiend | You might ask Kaleb Keithley :) |
| 07:23.37 | arma | hi folks. i just installed sarge on my thinkpad t40. (i'm moving from fedora.) |
| 07:23.43 | mhall | I really despise java. |
| 07:23.54 | arma | question one: can i apt-get things like Eterm and firefox? if so, what apt source line do I want? |
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| 07:24.54 | compguymac | apt-cache search firefox |
| 07:24.55 | compguymac | or |
| 07:25.00 | compguymac | apt-cache search Eterm |
| 07:25.04 | billions | apt-get install eterm |
| 07:25.07 | compguymac | then once you find it |
| 07:25.15 | compguymac | ya like billions said |
| 07:25.19 | billions | ;) |
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| 07:25.34 | dna_ | how do I find out what /dev/ is being used in usb? |
| 07:25.37 | arma | oh, silly me. it's eterm on sarge, not Eterm like on fedora. |
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| 07:25.52 | compguymac | forget fedora |
| 07:25.59 | billions | fedora = teh suxs |
| 07:26.11 | arma | well, here i am on sarge, so yeah. |
| 07:26.11 | compguymac | its like an ongoing beta |
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| 07:26.19 | compguymac | same arma |
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| 07:26.35 | yarddog | fedora is the slut of redhat |
| 07:26.44 | pvt19 | hi |
| 07:26.49 | arma | so apt-get install mozilla-firefox is what i want, for firefox. yay. |
| 07:26.52 | clem_yeats | nice troll.. |
| 07:27.03 | billions | good job arma ;) |
| 07:27.08 | billions | apt kicks major butt |
| 07:27.22 | arma | next question. should i upgrade my kernel to 2.6 or will i regret it? |
| 07:27.24 | compguymac | straight mozilla seems better to me |
| 07:27.29 | compguymac | and easier to install plugins' |
| 07:27.35 | compguymac | its not as picky as firefox is |
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| 07:28.14 | mhall | !tell me about java |
| 07:28.14 | billions | hey sorry to inturrupt anyone here, but can someone help me mount my usb flash drive? |
| 07:28.18 | clem_yeats | arma : it's really easy to do... just install kernel-image with apt and it'll put it as a second option in your grub menu |
| 07:28.22 | cheal | arma: you won't regret a kernel upgrade until you remove your previous one |
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| 07:28.29 | compguymac | billions, are you using debian? |
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| 07:28.32 | billions | lol @ cheal |
| 07:28.36 | billions | sure am ;) |
| 07:28.38 | arma | billions: stick it in, then mount /dev/sda1 foo where foo is a mount point. run 'dmesg' a few times to see if it got detected. |
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| 07:28.39 | mhall | hmm my lag is on crack again |
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| 07:28.51 | billions | thx arma |
| 07:28.51 | arkais | hi :) |
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| 07:29.10 | clem_yeats | arma : aptitude search kernel-image |
| 07:29.22 | compguymac | go to applications, then desktop preferences, then there should be removable drives |
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| 07:29.33 | arma | what is the sarge Xconfigurator? i'm stuck in 640x480 |
| 07:29.46 | compguymac | o gezz, i did it the other day |
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| 07:29.51 | clem_yeats | arma : choose your version and install. It'll change your Grub config and add the kernel to your choices, without replacing anything so you'll still be able to boot on your old kernel as well. |
| 07:29.52 | compguymac | i cant remember |
| 07:29.53 | wim | hey .. I`ve got a couple of users connecting to my box .. now I don`t want them to be able to enter my homedire but they must be able to enter /home/wim/data/ how can I do this ??? i`ve set permission to the data dir at 0760 and chowned it to my own user and to a group wich the other users who should have access to it in it |
| 07:29.58 | karsten | !tell arma about drx |
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| 07:30.34 | karsten | wim: chmod 755 datadir; chmod 700 $HOME |
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| 07:31.00 | karsten | wim: Users have to be able to execute directories in order to list 'em. |
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| 07:31.23 | dna_ | anyone know how to mount a seagate portable usb? |
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| 07:31.33 | compguymac | dna_, |
| 07:31.35 | compguymac | go to applications, then desktop preferences, then there should be removable drives |
| 07:31.48 | clem_yeats | wim : if they can't get into /home/wim/ they won't be able to go into /home/wim/data unless you define a link to that directory. |
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| 07:31.53 | wim | karsten but if I chown the data dir to wim:(group with all the users in it) .. then 760 should be enought right ?? cuz they are same group and not other .. or am I wrong ? ;) |
| 07:31.55 | streuner | dna_: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 07:32.00 | shingouz | dna_: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 07:32.03 | wim | clem_yeats it worrks via samba] |
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| 07:32.15 | clem_yeats | wim : so you're fine then ? |
| 07:32.25 | dumezil | what package provides rar and unrar? |
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| 07:32.49 | streuner | rar? |
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| 07:32.54 | streuner | !info rar |
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| 07:33.06 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 419 kB |
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| 07:33.16 | dna_ | Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 07:33.16 | dna_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.16 | dna_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.21 | dna_ | I am using a portable usb |
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| 07:33.36 | streuner | and that's Seagate? |
| 07:33.40 | kevix | dna_, open a xterm, su to root, type 'tail -f /var/log/messages', then plug in the drive, it will show that it is found and what drive device it is (/dev/sda most likeley) |
| 07:33.52 | SimonRaven | yeh, the ST* gives it away |
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| 07:34.14 | wim | clem_yeats but if the data dir 760... and the dir is chowned to wim:group where ll the users are in .. it should be fine too right ? or am I wrong ? |
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| 07:34.26 | dna_ | I found the device, but the file system on there does not let me mount her. |
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| 07:34.33 | dna_ | says |
| 07:34.47 | mhall | I have to code a Lisp-like code tokenizer for an assignment. I've never done anything remotely like it. Does anybody have some tips/warnings I would benefit from knowing? |
| 07:34.51 | dna_ | mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/win/ |
| 07:34.51 | dna_ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, |
| 07:34.51 | dna_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:35.06 | dna_ | /dev/sda1 * 1 12161 97683201 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 07:35.08 | streuner | dna_: mount -t vfat /dev/foo /mountpoint |
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| 07:35.22 | bob2 | you only have to tokenise it? |
| 07:35.32 | dna_ | I did that streuner |
| 07:35.34 | kevix | dna_, /dev/sda = the whole disk (almost never done), /dev/sda1 = first partition. |
| 07:35.35 | SimonRaven | dna_: partition, not hole drive |
| 07:35.40 | clem_yeats | wim : do you want people to be able to enter /home/wim ? |
| 07:35.41 | SimonRaven | whole* |
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| 07:35.54 | dna_ | weird |
| 07:36.04 | dna_ | so that 1 is needed |
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| 07:36.09 | SimonRaven | look at your command line... |
| 07:36.09 | streuner | yeah |
| 07:36.12 | SimonRaven | of course |
| 07:36.13 | dna_ | fixed it :) |
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| 07:36.17 | streuner | good |
| 07:36.23 | dna_ | time to watch anime |
| 07:36.24 | dna_ | haha |
| 07:36.24 | kevix | dna_, so 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/win' |
| 07:36.31 | dna_ | yes that worked :) |
| 07:36.32 | mhall | bob2: I have to start with tokenization. |
| 07:36.37 | mhall | bob2: The parser comes later. |
| 07:36.40 | bob2 | mhall: ah |
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| 07:36.59 | mhall | bob2: I want to design the tokenizer in such a way that I don't lubelessly sodomize my parser design options without knowing. |
| 07:37.11 | kevix | dna_ , you can add it to /etc/fstab with noauto if you want. |
| 07:37.24 | bob2 | hah |
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| 07:37.32 | mhall | bob2: So far I'm leaning toward C++ with a token object class hierarchy so I have the option of polymorphic methods on my token objects if I need them later. |
| 07:37.35 | bob2 | I get the feeling a lisp tokeniser will be trivial |
| 07:37.39 | mhall | bob2: Does that seem reasonable? |
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| 07:37.46 | wim | clem_yeats no |
| 07:37.46 | bob2 | that seems reasonable |
| 07:37.48 | clem_yeats | wim : for them to see data and to access it without looking at what's in your home dir, they need execution permission on both dirs, and read permissions on data. |
| 07:37.50 | mhall | bob2: Yeah it is pretty trivial but I don't want to do anything stupid. |
| 07:37.53 | bob2 | tho I'd use python, but I'm a hippy ;) |
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| 07:38.03 | SimonRaven | you hippy ;) |
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| 07:38.05 | mhall | bob2: Right I would too but I have not learned it yet. |
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| 07:38.13 | mhall | bob2: It's next on my list after PHP. |
| 07:38.21 | nvz | what are you trying to say? that python is for hippies? |
| 07:38.29 | mhall | bob2: So far I have shell, awk, C, and C++. |
| 07:38.30 | billions | HEH |
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| 07:38.44 | JoshH | mhall: learn perl next |
| 07:38.58 | billions | hey guys I'm still having trouble mounting my flash drive |
| 07:39.00 | bob2 | mhall: I'd skip php, unless you're going to get paid for it in the near future |
| 07:39.04 | billions | what's wrong with this? :mount /dev/sda1 /media/pendrive/ |
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| 07:39.16 | mhall | bob2: Well this guy I worked with was a genius PHP developer. |
| 07:39.17 | arma | billions: what does dmesg say about your usb thingy? |
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| 07:39.38 | mhall | bob2: And it seems quite a bit like some languages I know already so I thought it might not be that hard. |
| 07:39.39 | kevix | is anyone use beagle? what do the inotify and spec. mount attr. do for beagle. |
| 07:39.48 | mhall | kevix: ooh. Another user. |
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| 07:39.54 | mhall | kevix: I'm using it too. |
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| 07:40.08 | billions | arma: hub.c: new USB device 00:04.2-1, assigned address 17 |
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| 07:40.18 | mhall | kevix: The inotify system call allows it to find out about new files as they appear in your directory tree. |
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| 07:40.20 | nvz | wtf is a beagle already :P |
| 07:40.24 | kevix | mhall, yea, just added beagle and tomboy, cool gnome toys! |
| 07:40.28 | mhall | kevix: This call comes from IRIX. |
| 07:40.31 | mhall | kevix: tomboy? |
| 07:40.33 | clem_yeats | wim : your home should be rwx--x--x and your data dir should be rwxr-xr-x |
| 07:40.39 | arma | billions: does it proudly proclaim that it's mapped sda1 to the device? (or some other name?) |
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| 07:41.00 | billions | arma: nope! :( |
| 07:41.08 | bob2 | mhall: yeah, it won't, but it won't teach you anything cool, either :) |
| 07:41.13 | kevix | mhall, its like sticky notes on steriods, it works with beagle. its a wiki sort of thing. |
| 07:41.14 | mhall | kevix: Now, about the extended attributes. I believe it uses these to store some information about the files it indexes alongside the files in the filesystem. Apparently when this is not available it must use sqlite which is faster. |
| 07:41.40 | mhall | bob2: Ah. And what language would teach me cool stuff I would benefit from? Python? |
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| 07:42.09 | billions | arma: hub.c: new USB device 00:04.2-1, assigned address 19 |
| 07:42.10 | billions | WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured |
| 07:42.10 | billions | USB Mass Storage device found at 19 |
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| 07:42.23 | mhall | bob2: Part of the issue is that I just got scooped up and dumped back into school so I wasn't sure I had the time to give a radically different new language due diligence. |
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| 07:42.44 | kevix | mhall, thx for the info. help from IRIX? those crazy bonobos! |
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| 07:43.03 | mhall | kevix: Well for all its weirdness, IRIX is very fast with data. |
| 07:43.12 | wim | clem_yeats ok thnx |
| 07:43.14 | wim | cd / |
| 07:43.16 | wim | upz |
| 07:43.17 | kevix | mhall, so I hear! |
| 07:43.22 | mhall | kevix: Hence why XFS kicks so much ass (depise Reiser's nutty anti-XFS rants)... |
| 07:43.37 | mhall | kevix: But that said I would not use IRIX unless forced. |
| 07:43.44 | mhall | kevix: And much of SGI now seems to agree. |
| 07:43.50 | mhall | kevix: The Altix boxen are Linux systems. |
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| 07:44.09 | billions | well thanks anyways arma! Maybe I shall try with a differnt pendrive and hope for something different :) |
| 07:44.27 | bob2 | mhall: fair enough |
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| 07:44.49 | mhall | bob2: It reall sucks. I was out on an internship enjoying myself and making lots of money. |
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| 07:44.53 | kevix | mhall, in NYC I've only come accross one IRIX penguin. |
| 07:45.07 | bob2 | mhall: lisp will certainly teach you new ways of thinking...haskell is another good one. python is good because it combines idioms from lots of languages in a nice bundle. |
| 07:45.12 | mhall | bob2: Now I'm back here. I should have transferred to a local university where I was working or something. |
| 07:45.23 | bob2 | mhall: hah |
| 07:45.27 | mhall | bob2: Yeah I find Lisp pretty disgusting but I'm sticking it out. |
| 07:45.28 | bob2 | mhall: how much longer until you're done? |
| 07:45.34 | mhall | bob2: Two semesters. |
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| 07:45.58 | kevix | dna_, do you have udev, hotplug and gnome-volume-manager installed ? |
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| 07:46.05 | mhall | bob2: So I figure I'll party like a rockstar, bang some girls, and squeeze in some studies on the side. |
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| 07:46.21 | bob2 | ahh, uni |
| 07:46.28 | mhall | bob2: Such is the logic of an ersatz California redneck. |
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| 07:46.44 | mhall | bob2 note /whois mhall ;-) |
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| 07:48.56 | arma | the mozilla-firefox package gave me 1.0.4. if i want to run 1.0.6, should i...install it myself? find a better package somewhere? what's the usual plan there? |
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| 07:49.16 | mhall | arma: Alright. |
| 07:49.32 | mhall | arma: I tried running the binary build from mozilla and this did not play nicely. |
| 07:49.56 | stew | arma: what exact version does dpkg -l mozilla-firefox report? |
| 07:50.01 | mhall | arma: unstable and experimental pretty much contain the latest stable and unstable builds respectively |
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| 07:50.08 | arma | ii mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge3 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
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| 07:50.21 | mhall | arma: I'm running 106 a.t.m. |
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| 07:50.24 | stew | arma: that version is essentially 1.0.6 |
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| 07:50.32 | arma | oh, it's 1.0.4 with backports? |
| 07:50.34 | nvz | mhall: so is he |
| 07:51.01 | stew | arma: no, this time they actually pretty much put in 1.0.6 and kept the old version number for i'm not sure what exact reason |
| 07:51.13 | arma | uhm. ok. great. sounds good. |
| 07:51.31 | SimonRaven | not fuck up the versioning i suppose |
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| 07:52.55 | arma | great. and now i have xfce4 too. |
| 07:52.58 | arma | is mplayer non-free or something? |
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| 07:53.11 | gaw_ | Hi guys. I am happy to be able, that I could buy the hardware of a new server for a debian 3.1 system. The last machine I've buyed is more then 5 years old. I have no experience about the 64 Bit technology. My trader offers me an asrock a939m a8x-m athlon64 939 with an athlon64w 3000+ venice. It is a good choice for debian 3.1? |
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| 07:54.06 | stew | arma: what version does it report when you goto "about:"? i'm just curious and don't have any sarge machines with x servers |
| 07:54.20 | arma | 1.0.4 |
| 07:55.40 | mhall | nvz: Ahh version oddities. *yum* |
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| 07:55.50 | mhall | nvz: Probably it was a stable security update? |
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| 07:56.14 | arma | 'apt-get install' offered my recommendations which i turned down. now the package is installed. how do i see that list again? |
| 07:56.17 | arma | s/my/me/ |
| 07:56.20 | rixth | How am I supposed to install the nvidia drivers if the kernel source package is not avaialable? F*ing great. |
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| 07:56.29 | mhall | Does anybody have a good site / link about setting up Makefiles properly for simple code projects. Up until now I've tried to avoid them. |
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| 07:56.52 | stew | SimonRaven: i'm not sure that they couldn't have just done 1.0.6-0sarge1 or something. maybe -0 is a nono |
| 07:57.01 | bibe | gaw_ : amd64 architecture seems to be not 'officially' supported by Debian, but there's an unofficial port and Debian Project plans to add security support (in testiung and unstable) soon |
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| 07:57.10 | RoundQube | mhall: a quick search for Makefile tutorial should yield like 108383874384 sites in 0.2s |
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| 07:57.30 | rixth | So am I lead to believe there is no longer a Debian way to get my nvidia card working? |
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| 07:57.31 | bibe | gaw_ : see http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050811 |
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| 07:57.55 | gaw_ | bibe: thanks |
| 07:57.55 | SimonRaven | stew: -0.1 is usually reserved for NMU stuff. always starts at -1 |
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| 07:58.27 | mhall | At least we can get one thing right with our custom language design project, the name. Slimy: Stupid Language I Made Yesterday. |
| 07:58.31 | bob2 | !+nvidia one liner |
| 07:58.32 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 07:58.52 | stew | SimonRaven: i'm not sure about the "reserverd" part |
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| 08:00.00 | SimonRaven | yeh, i'm not sure too ;). but it's in the policy IIRC |
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| 08:00.11 | kevix | rixa, have you heard of 'module-assistant' ? |
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| 08:00.25 | mhall | SimonRaven: What do I need to do if a package maintainer is asleep at the switch and won't rebuild his package with GCC 3.4 / 4.0 ABI? |
| 08:00.32 | kevix | rixth, have you heard of 'module-assistant' ? |
| 08:00.46 | SimonRaven | 4 is rather different than 3.4 |
| 08:01.01 | rixth | kevix, yes. Turns out when I edited my sources.list I forgot to add contrib and non-free. Whoops. |
| 08:01.11 | SimonRaven | sometimes you'll see that it won't build at all with 4 |
| 08:01.18 | Toolah | I tried apt-get update and got the error E: Method http has died unexpectedly! - Is this because I am behind a smoothwall, and if so how can I load dpt_i2o so I can access my hard drives? |
| 08:01.29 | kevix | rixth, opps! |
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| 08:02.33 | ke6isf | Toolah: There's probably more to that error. What did the program return besides that? |
| 08:02.41 | mhall | SimonRaven: I rebuilt it myself and It Just Worked (TM). |
| 08:02.52 | mhall | SimonRaven: But I can only try this particular build on X86. |
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| 08:03.12 | Toolah | ke6isf, nope, that was it |
| 08:03.32 | stew | mhall: what package? is there a bug already filed about it requiring a recompile? |
| 08:03.36 | ke6isf | Toolah: You might try a different server then? |
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| 08:03.51 | SimonRaven | ok, it must be my sasl/authz-regexps that aren't working on 2.3.7 anymore... *SIGH* |
| 08:04.02 | mhall | stew: Somebody filed a Bugzilla report but nothing seems to happen. 'kaffeine' package, a KDE media player. |
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| 08:04.19 | stew | mhall: not bugzilla, bts |
| 08:04.25 | Toolah | I am booting into a ubuntu live cd to try and diagnose a suspected cd burner failure |
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| 08:04.51 | arma | can somebody give me a hint about the -source packages? they install tarballs in /usr/src/ and then i...do something? i'm looking at ipw2100-source in particular. |
| 08:04.55 | ke6isf | Toolah: What version of Debian are you running natively? |
| 08:04.57 | gaw_ | bibe: That was a good information. Exist there a special compatibility list of hardware or could I use every combination of an amd64, chipset and motherboard? |
| 08:04.59 | arma | i'm happy to just install it, but i don't want to step on any deb's toes. |
| 08:05.03 | stew | !dbugs 325074 |
| 08:05.08 | dpkg | #325074:G[kaffeine] kaffeine: Kaffeine is not installable; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:33:08 UTC |
| 08:05.33 | Toolah | ke6isf, This is on a windows box |
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| 08:06.07 | ke6isf | Toolah: So this apt question is related to Ubuntu? If so, #ubuntu is over there ---> |
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| 08:06.42 | bibe | gaw_ : I don't know, unfortunately I don't have access to any amd64 machine... but this morning I was reading something about Debian amd64 unofficial support and I pasted the link ;) |
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| 08:07.21 | mhall | stew: Right I was referring to the bdo debian Bugzilla. |
| 08:07.25 | Toolah | heh touchy, always used debian but all I was able to source at work was a ubuntu live cd since I am unable to burn knoppix for above reasons ... |
| 08:07.29 | bibe | gaw_ : I think you can get support in any linux-on-amd64-related forum |
| 08:07.52 | mhall | stew: Sorry if I used a shitty term. |
| 08:07.57 | Toolah | so stop bust'n ma balls k? =) |
| 08:08.07 | mhall | Toolah: what happens when you attempt to burn Knoppix |
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| 08:08.18 | ke6isf | Toolah: Love to, but it's not a Debian issue. Sorry. |
| 08:08.19 | kevix | arma, install 'module-assistant' it will do all for you! and more! |
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| 08:09.08 | kevix | mhall, check out 'http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/?page=debcustomize' |
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| 08:09.38 | akrus | hello |
| 08:09.47 | akrus | where's the default iptables config? |
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| 08:10.01 | stew | akrus: there is no such thing |
| 08:10.05 | akrus | hm |
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| 08:10.07 | Toolah | mhall, in windowz I get just get Writing process failed from nero, can't try in linux cause can't load dpt_i2o mod to access hard drives |
| 08:10.15 | akrus | then how to open port 3306? |
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| 08:10.22 | kevix | arkus, none! |
| 08:10.55 | stew | akrus: are you sure that mysql is actually listening? does it show up in "netstat -plant | grep 3306" ? |
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| 08:11.10 | arma | kevix: beautiful. |
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| 08:11.15 | mwilson | Why do people think ports have to be "opened" or "closed"? |
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| 08:11.21 | kevix | arkus, opps I misread, debian keeps some stuff in /var/lib/iptables/ |
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| 08:11.46 | RoundQube | is there any way to get firefox for linux to read as another browser? im on yahoo launchcast and its asking me to install netscape 7.1 which im not going to do |
| 08:11.55 | kevix | arkus, there usually is a file 'active' and 'inactive' |
| 08:12.22 | mwilson | RoundQube: Have it lie about its user-agent. There are extensions for that, too. |
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| 08:12.25 | akrus | stew: listening |
| 08:12.26 | nkuttler | RoundQube: there probably is some extension, google firefox change user agent |
| 08:12.27 | kevix | arma, its one of those great things someone thought up for debian. |
| 08:12.35 | jm_ | there are extensions that make it easy to fake user-agent, then there's prefs.js |
| 08:12.37 | akrus | kevix: ok, I'll check now |
| 08:12.41 | RoundQube | thanks |
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| 08:13.09 | akrus | adding >.> |
| 08:13.10 | sep | Toolah, dma enabled for the cdrw in windows ? i know nothing about ubuntu spesifics, but are you sure it's just not included in the kernel and loaded already ? and the time you have spent diagnosting it could probably have been spent replacing the drive :) |
| 08:13.12 | poyie | ei |
| 08:13.20 | stew | akrus: does "iptables -L -n" actually list any rules? |
| 08:13.25 | mwilson | Usually, though, any site that requires you to lie about your user-agent isn't worth bothering with in the first place. |
| 08:13.29 | poyie | how to see ubunto in winxp? |
| 08:13.31 | mhall | akrus: The default iptables configuration would be like a $2 hooker. Let anybody in and out at any old time. |
| 08:13.36 | akrus | yeah |
| 08:13.37 | mhall | mwilson: Amen to that! |
| 08:13.37 | poyie | i men in networking |
| 08:13.42 | akrus | active file contains all the info |
| 08:14.00 | poyie | how? |
| 08:14.00 | akrus | now works ^^ |
| 08:14.00 | nkuttler | poyie: try #ubuntu |
| 08:14.03 | akrus | thanks everyone |
| 08:14.04 | Toolah | sep, totally scsi based system |
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| 08:14.06 | sep | poyie, that's a #ubuntu question , but the thing you need is samba |
| 08:14.07 | mhall | mwilson: I agree with you a lot more these days than I used to. I guess it means I'm more of the UNIX nature? |
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| 08:14.29 | kevix | poyie, use vmware. |
| 08:14.29 | mwilson | mhall: I just figured you were becoming deranged like me. :) |
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| 08:14.45 | poyie | where i can find that? |
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| 08:14.52 | mhall | sep: Are the ubuntu people pointing their IRC clients at us? |
| 08:14.57 | ke6isf | poyie: It's another channel. /j #ubuntu |
| 08:15.02 | mhall | sep: We must lart them. |
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| 08:15.16 | arma | ok, now that i have an eth1 for my ipw2100, what's the debian incant for "make it so i can run ifup eth1"? |
| 08:15.16 | Toolah | lol |
| 08:15.21 | sep | Toolah, i tend to use the cd(r(w))'s on ide even if it's scsi cheaper drives and dosnt make much difference |
| 08:15.32 | mhall | arma: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:15.33 | kevix | poyie, google 'vmware' . |
| 08:15.37 | ke6isf | mhall: To ubuntu us... oh, bloody hell. |
| 08:15.38 | nkuttler | arma: man interfaces |
| 08:15.39 | ke6isf | !debian based |
| 08:15.40 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 08:15.41 | mhall | arma: use man interfaces to learn how |
| 08:15.46 | sep | mhall, im afraid #debian is the 'default' channel in way to many debian based distroes |
| 08:15.47 | mhall | ke6isf: hehe |
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| 08:16.15 | mhall | sep: Yes. Quite. This must be stopped. |
| 08:16.25 | Toolah | well, I chose to come here because this where I usually chat and found the best community of people |
| 08:16.33 | Toolah | regardless of distro |
| 08:16.47 | kevix | arma, you edit /etc/network/interfaces but read the man page for wifi. |
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| 08:16.54 | Toolah | but it seems while I was off the net for 18mths you've changed! heh |
| 08:17.28 | ke6isf | Toolah: Touching, that. Please keep your hands to yourself. =^_^= |
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| 08:17.32 | sep | mhall, file bugreports aganst the distroes.. unfortunatly not all of them have a tracking system even |
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| 08:17.51 | arma | i'm going to need a module to magically appear before it will work. i should muck with my /etc/modules.conf directly, or is there a deb tool for that? |
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| 08:18.26 | mhall | sep: Hence why we should start a war. ;-) |
| 08:18.28 | ke6isf | !tell arma -about modconf |
| 08:18.34 | ke6isf | !start a distro war |
| 08:18.34 | dpkg | Fedora sux0rz! |
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| 08:18.50 | mhall | ke6isf: :-) |
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| 08:18.58 | stew | sep: are you saying that other distro's supply clients that connect to #debian by default? |
| 08:19.09 | mhall | ke6isf: i always try to start your nick with k3 then i wonder why it won't complete! |
| 08:19.11 | sep | stew, correct |
| 08:19.17 | stew | sep: which distro? which client? |
| 08:19.30 | ke6isf | mhall: Feeling a little lysxedic tonight? =^^= |
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| 08:19.53 | kevix | arma, what other modules do you need? why not /etc/modules? |
| 08:19.57 | sep | usualy xchat. and becouse they just use the package from sid without any changes. but i think perhaps it's been altered in sid so it dosnt do this more |
| 08:20.04 | sep | i dont use sid much i woudnt know |
| 08:20.16 | ke6isf | mhall: I'm just more annoyed at the autocomplete in xchat - often completes to nicks I'm not addressing. DWIM, dammit! |
| 08:20.39 | mhall | ke6isf: lollercoaster |
| 08:20.40 | sep | 6 months ago we had all the pupils using the debian-edu project in here looking for #teenchat |
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| 08:20.49 | mhall | ke6isf: if only i had the DWIM language right now |
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| 08:20.56 | mhall | ke6isf: my Lisp tokenizer would be complete |
| 08:21.01 | sep | was hillarious for abotu 30 seconds :) |
| 08:21.06 | ke6isf | mhall: Heh =^_^= |
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| 08:21.36 | mhall | ke6isf: in the last discussion we had about language usability in my language design class i introduced DWIM |
| 08:21.43 | mhall | ke6isf: but nobody thought it was that funny |
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| 08:21.52 | mhall | ke6isf: i'm like the only POSIX hacker in the class |
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| 08:22.00 | ke6isf | mhall: You should have introduced INTERCAL or English. |
| 08:22.02 | mhall | ke6isf: *yawn* so boring |
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| 08:22.07 | litage | if i don't have access to netstat, how can i whether port 1234 is open on a machine? |
| 08:22.07 | mhall | ke6isf: erm true |
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| 08:22.26 | kevix | mhall, wouldn't that be AI? |
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| 08:22.49 | clem_yeats | litage : you can try to telnet into that port.. |
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| 08:22.52 | sep | litage, telnet to it |
| 08:22.58 | ke6isf | mhall: I mean, when you introduce INTERCAL and explain that it stands for "compiler language with no pronounceable acronym", you just know you're in for a good time. |
| 08:23.20 | ke6isf | mhall: Alternatively, you could give a Ben Stein-esque discertation on quantum bogodynamics.... |
| 08:23.27 | xwl | Hi, which command does `wajig new' run? Seems it just hangs there. |
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| 08:23.47 | ke6isf | I gotta bed down. |
| 08:24.06 | sep | !wajig |
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| 08:24.16 | sep | !test |
| 08:24.16 | dpkg | Sorry, sep, I didn't get your test. |
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| 08:24.33 | kevix | xwl, would RTFM help? |
| 08:24.41 | rosemary | evening all. I need to make some space on my hard drive, and wondering what packages I can safely get rid of. Debian 3.1, using xfce 4.2.2 |
| 08:24.41 | sep | now dpkg are you saying there is something you dont know ^^ |
| 08:24.55 | SquareGuy | does the 2gb max swap partition size still apply to sarge and etch for i386 architecture? |
| 08:24.58 | sep | rosemary, run apt-get clean is a start |
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| 08:25.16 | ke6isf | rosemary: You can get rid of what you don't actually need. Synaptic will help with that. |
| 08:25.17 | stew | sep: xchat doesn't connect to freenode by default |
| 08:25.20 | rosemary | okay sep I'll do that |
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| 08:25.23 | xwl | kevix: what's RTFM? |
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| 08:25.30 | ke6isf | !rtfm xwl |
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| 08:25.37 | SquareGuy | rosemary, nice choice of desktops ;) |
| 08:25.38 | kevix | rosemary, I'd use apt-get autoclean first, it doesnt rm every deb. |
| 08:25.44 | ke6isf | !rtfm |
| 08:25.44 | dpkg | rtfm is probably Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 08:25.47 | hcy | is there a way to share a _device_ with nfs? I'd like the floppy drive on my nfs server to be usable by my nfs client so that the client can mount and umount the disk without having to ssh into the server to mount the disk first. possible? |
| 08:25.53 | rosemary | ke6isf, what about dependencies |
| 08:25.59 | sep | used the xchat from woody ? |
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| 08:26.07 | ke6isf | rosemary: deborphan. |
| 08:26.15 | stew | sep: nope |
| 08:26.21 | rosemary | kevix, okay that's apt-get autoclean |
| 08:26.24 | ke6isf | rosemary: Also, aptitude - it seems to deal with that a bit better than deborpahn. |
| 08:26.35 | kevix | rosemary, other than that, can you archive any big files (video or such ) to cd/dvd? |
| 08:26.35 | stew | sep: do you think the people who connect here asking questions from other distros are using a xchat derrived from woody's? |
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| 08:26.54 | sep | stew, i was talking about the debian-edu spesific incident |
| 08:26.56 | clem_yeats | rtfm should really be rtm... IMHO. |
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| 08:27.06 | xwl | kevix: its manpage is no more than one page. and i didn't find |
| 08:27.07 | xwl | useful info from author's website. Do you use wajig? |
| 08:27.12 | ke6isf | clem_yeats: Why? |
| 08:27.16 | rosemary | kevix, so far it's a second machine and don't have much on it, but it has a small HD |
| 08:27.21 | clem_yeats | because there's no need for the F. |
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| 08:27.37 | mhall | ke6isf: I'm sure I'll pull some kind of stunt. |
| 08:27.41 | SquareGuy | rosemary, is this a fresh install? |
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| 08:27.56 | mhall | ke6isf: I could talk about computron theory in my computer theory class discussion of NP-completeness. |
| 08:27.57 | sep | hcy would the network block device do what you need ? |
| 08:28.03 | rosemary | SquareGuy, just started with xfce and liking it |
| 08:28.12 | shingouz | clem_yeats: when that factoid is invoked there usually is. spend more time here and see how things go and you will see the need for the f |
| 08:28.13 | kapil | clem_yeats: what's wrong with the invocation "Read The Fine Manuals" |
| 08:28.16 | ke6isf | clem_yeats: So you'd propose to change decades of tradition for dealing with clueless lusers? |
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| 08:28.24 | sep | hcy with nfs you must use some sort of automounter on the server. |
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| 08:28.35 | ke6isf | kapil: I suspect he objects to the expletive form of RTFM. |
| 08:28.36 | clem_yeats | kapil : I like that :) lol |
| 08:28.38 | mhall | ke6isf: Maybe explain about how NP-complete threatens to deplete our valuable computron supply so we might have to fight wars to take others' computrons before they take ours... ;-) |
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| 08:29.01 | ke6isf | mhall: Heh =^_^= |
| 08:29.08 | hcy | sep: i don't know, what's the block device? |
| 08:29.25 | clem_yeats | well.. we're here to help. If someone could have found the answer on google or man instead of asking we can surely tell him without insulting him. |
| 08:29.39 | rosemary | SquareGuy, I put debian onto this machine a couple of months ago, and just upgraded xfce to 4.2.2 today. But only been using xfce a week or so |
| 08:29.54 | sep | hcy share a block device over the network it's not nfs, ou just mount the remote block device localy |
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| 08:30.03 | Mxyzpltk | clem_yeats: F is for friendly... what did you think it meant? |
| 08:30.05 | Mxyzpltk | :) |
| 08:30.11 | clem_yeats | my mistake then :) |
| 08:30.14 | ke6isf | clem_yeats: Honestly, F can stand for anything that starts with F - just traditionally, it stands for "Fucking", and when you get to dealing with dumb questions for ten years, it kind of just becomes that. |
| 08:30.20 | clem_yeats | I must have thought of something else :) |
| 08:30.20 | SquareGuy | rosemary, well i havent caught all of your conversation so i not sure waht all is going on hehe. but if you did an install with the generic "desktop" install using tasksel then there is certainly a lot that can be removed. |
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| 08:30.44 | clem_yeats | I suppose ten years is quite a long time alright. |
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| 08:30.53 | hardmind | hi |
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| 08:31.10 | litage | does this command create a tunnel from localhost:2345 to remotehost:6789?: ssh -N -L 2345:remotehost:6789 user@remotehost |
| 08:31.25 | hcy | sep: can you point me to a webpage that explains how to do that? |
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| 08:31.37 | ke6isf | OK, time for bed. |
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| 08:31.56 | sep | litage, yes and it uses the puvlic ip of the remotehost, i tend to use 127.0.0.1:6789 if you dont need to specificaly access the public ip |
| 08:31.56 | kevix | rosemary, well you can do 'dpkg -l|less' and see if you want to delete anything. do you have move than one wm? if so, delete the unused ones? dont use emacs? delete that. etc. |
| 08:32.12 | rosemary | SquareGuy, I can't remember exactly what options I chose in the install, but would have been a desktop install. I have removed kde to install xfce, and apt-get autoclean has removed mozilla. Anything else I can remove would be good. I installed icewm so guess that can go too |
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| 08:32.48 | clem_yeats | rosemary : do you still have gnome installed ? |
| 08:32.55 | sep | hcy i think i'd read the doc files in the ndb-client and nbd-server packages |
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| 08:33.11 | clem_yeats | rosemary : how much space do you need to free ? |
| 08:33.11 | rosemary | kevix, that sounds sensible, and I do still have gnome, but what about dependencies? |
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| 08:33.25 | thomas_ | Hi I've got a problem with my cdrom, I can't mount a cdrom |
| 08:33.28 | hcy | sep: ok, thanks |
| 08:33.31 | sep | s/ndb/nbd/g |
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| 08:33.42 | arma | ok. my ipw2100 is happy. what apt command do i use to find out which deb has pppd in it? |
| 08:33.45 | thomas_ | I've installed knatonix |
| 08:34.00 | arma | apt-cache search pppd gives lots of answers, none of which look right |
| 08:34.02 | rosemary | clem_yeats, I don't especially need to right now, but would like to, so if I want to try new things, I can without the hasle I had this time |
| 08:34.02 | sep | arma apt-cache search |
| 08:34.10 | litage | sep: if you used 127.0.0.1:6789 the tunnel would be going from localhost to localhost rather than from localhost to remotehost |
| 08:34.15 | arma | oh. i already have a pppd anyway. never mind i suppose. |
| 08:34.33 | stew | rosemary: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 08:34.38 | sep | arma, try without the d (ppp) |
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| 08:34.56 | arma | good idea. |
| 08:34.58 | sep | litage, it would go from localhost on this computer to localhost on the remote computer |
| 08:35.02 | clem_yeats | rosemary : openoffice, gnome, other Wms, emacs, tex all these stuff... take some space. |
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| 08:35.16 | sep | litage, instead of localhost this computer to publicip of remote computer |
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| 08:35.29 | shingouz | thomas_: #kanotix in that case |
| 08:35.30 | kevix | rosemary, you have do 'apt-get remove gnome' and always say no! |
| 08:35.30 | clem_yeats | rosemary : windows takes quite a lot as well, if you have dual-boot it's time to get rid of it :) |
| 08:35.46 | thomas_ | thanks shuigouz |
| 08:36.01 | rosemary | clem_yeats, I need windows for my scanner and family tree programme :-) |
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| 08:36.16 | sep | litage, it just depeds on what you want to access and where it listen, often i use ssh tunnel to avoid having things liste on public ip's in those cases making the tunnel to the public ip of the remote, wont work. |
| 08:36.18 | litage | sep: ah now i gotcha |
| 08:36.19 | clem_yeats | rosemary : well... here goes the space.. what size did you give to linux ? |
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| 08:36.35 | clem_yeats | sorry. I meant GNU/Linux |
| 08:36.36 | SquareGuy | rosemary, to be honest i can't give you list per-say to go by. i do base install and only add what i need so there isnt much on my box anyways. i would poke around in synaptic (easy gui package manager) and look under installed for what i do not need. the most drastic thing besides a fresh install would be to use tasksel and remove the desktop enironment and choose packages individually but i am not sure that you would want |
| 08:36.36 | SquareGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.54 | mhall | ke6isf: I've got an FSM state called float. But float is reserved. What's an acceptable synonymous identifier? |
| 08:36.55 | litage | thanks for that, sep |
| 08:37.05 | sep | litage, noproble |
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| 08:37.08 | Erpo | Hi all. I just installed the drivers for my ipw2200 wireless card and the modules seem to be loading correctly. What is the next step in getting my laptop connected to a wireless network? The INSTALL document that came with the driver tarball left off after explaining how to build and install the modules. |
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| 08:37.27 | rosemary | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.28 | rosemary | bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 08:37.42 | stew | rosemary: type that into your irc client |
| 08:37.45 | RB\weasel | asd |
| 08:37.52 | clem_yeats | rosemary : no, it's an IRC command.. :) |
| 08:38.13 | Erpo | RB\weasel: Age, Sex, and Distro? |
| 08:38.21 | clem_yeats | lol Erpo !!! :) |
| 08:38.26 | fireba11 | ERpo: lol |
| 08:38.27 | SquareGuy | does the 2gb max swap partition size still apply to sarge and etch for i386 architecture? anyone? |
| 08:38.30 | joris_ | dpkg, tell rosemary about deborphan |
| 08:38.32 | Eclipser | Erpo, hehheh |
| 08:38.37 | stew | Erpo: install wireless-tools ; man wireless ; man interfaces |
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| 08:38.56 | rosemary | clem_yeats, I've certainly thought of it though - getting rid of windows. Also thinking of getting bigger HD for this PC |
| 08:39.19 | clem_yeats | rosemary : well, how much space did you give Debian ? |
| 08:39.23 | Erpo | stew, Already installed wireless tools. Thanks for the man page names. bbl |
| 08:39.31 | stew | Erpo: you downloaded firmware and put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware ? |
| 08:39.33 | kevix | Erpo, I think 'pump' might help. |
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| 08:39.49 | stew | kevix: why would you recommend pump over the default dhclient? |
| 08:39.59 | Erpo | stew, /lib/firmware actually. That's what the driver doc said to do. |
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| 08:40.06 | Erpo | What's pump? |
| 08:40.11 | kevix | Erpo, did you use 'module-assistant' ? it would have been easier! |
| 08:40.17 | stew | Erpo: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 08:40.38 | kevix | stew, just something I've used. |
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| 08:40.53 | Erpo | stew, What's the difference? /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent looks in both places so it ought to work. |
| 08:41.03 | Erpo | kevix, What's module assistant? |
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| 08:41.05 | stew | Erpo: ok, nm then |
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| 08:41.14 | kevix | Erpo, 'apt-cache show pump' |
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| 08:41.44 | kevix | Erpo, its really kewl for automated install of kernel modules! |
| 08:41.47 | Erpo | kevix, Heh. Can't do that right now. I'm dual booting on my laptop and only windows worked out of the box for networking. |
| 08:41.58 | Erpo | kevix, I built my own kernel. Will it still work? |
| 08:42.04 | stew | Erpo: module assistant would have made installing the module much easier, you would have just had to "apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i ipw2200" |
| 08:42.05 | kevix | Erpo, 'apt-cache show module-assistant' |
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| 08:42.16 | stew | Erpo: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
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| 08:43.00 | kevix | Erpo, I guess it needs? the debian-made kernel? |
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| 08:43.39 | stew | Erpo: if you can sucessfully load the module and the firmware, it doesn't matter how it was compiled |
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| 08:44.08 | Erpo | Ok. It looks like man wireless is the way to go. |
| 08:44.18 | litage | i setup a tunnel with `ssh -v -N -L 2345:localhost:6789 nhoffman@deadorange.com` and logged in. trying to connect with `ssh -v -p 6789 nhoffman@deadorange.com` just sits at "debug1: Connecting to deadorange.com [67.15.48.31] port 6789." though. any suggestions? |
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| 08:44.44 | Erpo | Oh, is there a slick tool for showing a list of wireless networks in range and letting me click on one to connect? |
| 08:44.44 | rosemary | clem_yeats, actually this is a second PC and I gave it all to debian, but it only has 5-6Gb |
| 08:44.46 | bob2 | litage: -g |
| 08:44.53 | bob2 | litage: otherwise it only binds to localhost |
| 08:44.57 | bob2 | litage: the -L one, I mean |
| 08:45.02 | bob2 | Erpo: netapplet |
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| 08:45.14 | Erpo | bob2, Thanks. |
| 08:45.18 | Erpo | Thanks all. :) |
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| 08:45.45 | Coweater | 35 |
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| 08:46.00 | Coweater | wrong window |
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| 08:46.28 | omry | running testing, after the last dist-upgrade, I have some unmet dependencies (http://firefang.net/~omry/dep), how do I fix it? |
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| 08:46.51 | litage | bob2: using `ssh -v -g -N -L 2345:localhost:6789 nhoffman@deadorange.com` gives no output when i try to connect with `ssh -v -p 6789 nhoffman@deadorange.com` |
| 08:46.53 | kapil | .whois omry |
| 08:47.05 | nkuttler | omry: why don't you do what the error suggests? |
| 08:47.09 | bob2 | what des -N do? |
| 08:47.23 | omry | nkuttler, it dosne't sound too good, its safe? |
| 08:47.26 | litage | bob2: -N == don't execute a remote command |
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| 08:47.39 | bob2 | ah |
| 08:47.45 | nkuttler | omry: man apt-get, there's always the simulate option |
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| 08:47.53 | kevix | Erpo, I think you need the to 'apt-get install wireless-tools' |
| 08:48.29 | Coweater | omry: some of the gnome stuff hasn't been upgraded yet it seems, besides doing what it says wait a couple days, it should become more complete |
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| 08:48.58 | s-toned | I can setup my accton nic (acer notebook) without error messages, but I can't get a connection (it works fine with win though). I would like it to work, but I don't know the right questions. |
| 08:49.03 | jethro | litage: is ` ssh -v -p 6789 nhoffman@deadorange.com ' an attempt at using the previously created tunnel (-L) ? |
| 08:49.06 | kevix | rosemary, that should be enough! what does 'df -m' show as near 100% |
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| 08:49.16 | litage | jethro: yes |
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| 08:49.29 | omry | Coweater, will using -f cause any problems with these packages when they are fixed in the repository? |
| 08:49.30 | rosemary | joris thanks I am installing deborphan now |
| 08:49.30 | jethro | litage: then read again what's in the manpage for -L. |
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| 08:49.41 | jethro | litage: you should be connecting to 2345 instead |
| 08:49.55 | rosemary | exit |
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| 08:49.58 | nkuttler | omry: no |
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| 08:50.24 | omry | nkuttler, Coweater, thanks. attempting to -f(ix). |
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| 08:51.30 | rosemary | kevix, df -m gives me 2% free in /home, but 89% in /, so must have too big a / partition |
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| 08:53.17 | rosemary | kevix, I had that around the wrong way - it is 2% used :-) |
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| 08:54.00 | kevix | rosemary, you have that reversed. most software is in /usr/ and most .debs are in /var/cache |
| 08:54.03 | sebo | Hi! Do I need to change anything in LILO config files after apt-geting kernel-image package or its config script will do it for me (as it does with GRUB)?? |
| 08:54.40 | clem_yeats | rosemary : 5-6Gb is huge ! |
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| 08:54.49 | dondelelcaro | sebo: if you're using the Debian default configuration and let it run lilo, yes. |
| 08:54.51 | nkuttler | sebo: it should... doesn't harm to check though |
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| 08:54.53 | kevix | rosemary, so, by making /home really big, root (/) (where /usr and /var are) gets full fast. |
| 08:55.00 | clem_yeats | rosemary : I use 5Gb here, and KDE/Gnome/XFCE everything fits. |
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| 08:55.16 | kapil | ?flig |
| 08:55.23 | bibe | sebo : did you notice any 'kernel 2.x.y-z-t86 image found' message(s)? |
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| 08:56.17 | kapil | o |
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| 08:56.30 | bibe | sebo : to be sure, run /sbin/lilo (as root) and see if it installs correctly |
| 08:56.38 | kevix | clem_yeats, rosemary appears to have made /home way too big thus the space problem on / |
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| 08:57.27 | kevix | rosemary, it takes a few dozen install to get the idea on how to slice up a disk x-) |
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| 08:57.54 | sebo | I'm updating my parents companies main computer and they would kill me, if it won't work :] so I'm asking :P |
| 08:57.59 | Danskman1 | Hi :-) When I run apt-get -f upgrade, and get a "aspell = 0.50.2-146 | aspell = 0.50.2-74 depends on aspell-0.50.2-148" - how can I solve this ? |
| 08:58.05 | kevix | kevix, there are some basic trix you can do with 'symbolic links' to fix it. |
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| 08:58.31 | rosemary | kevix, / = 1669, and /home = 4069 |
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| 08:59.10 | ravo | sebo: when you run the upgrade it will probably say change initird line etc in lilo .conf if it hasnt got it in there but if it doesnt say anything it should be fine |
| 08:59.26 | rosemary | kevix, and clem_yeats I seem to recall I didn't have too much choice, but I may be quite incorect. I was following some instructions about a debian install |
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| 08:59.30 | ravo | sebo: if it doesnt work, just boot old kernel and find out what youve missed: ) |
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| 08:59.48 | omry | apt-get -f install didn't work : http://firefang.net/~omry/dep |
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| 09:01.08 | rosemary | kevix, and clem_yeats for a future debian install what are your recomendations for partitions? |
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| 09:01.51 | nkuttler | rosemary: for a desktop one big /, done |
| 09:02.33 | clem_yeats | rosemary : it really depends on who's using the computer and how.. |
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| 09:02.52 | clem_yeats | rosemary : there's good documentation about that on debian.org |
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| 09:03.06 | clem_yeats | rosemary : have a look at the Debian FAQ and reference. |
| 09:03.07 | kevix | rosemary, you can do something like this: mkdir /home/debs ; mv /var/cache/apt /home/debs; ln -s /home/debs /var/cache/apt; (note not tested) |
| 09:03.42 | Danskman1 | Can noone help - ppl from #linux told me I can get help here ? |
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| 09:04.29 | jethro | !tell Danskman1 -about ask |
| 09:04.30 | nkuttler | Danskman1: what debian version are you running? |
| 09:04.34 | kevix | Danskman1, yes, this is the channel for help with debian. |
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| 09:05.08 | shingouz | Danskman1: sit tight, someone will eventuall show up here who knows about that. right now it seems that the knowledge is not here |
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| 09:05.29 | Danskman1 | Well, I got Suse 8.2.... |
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| 09:05.36 | nkuttler | Danskman1: #suse i guess |
| 09:05.58 | rosemary | clem_yeats, yes I did look at stuff before I installed, but I seem to think I couldn't get the partition tool to do partitions the way it had been suggested |
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| 09:06.13 | kevix | Danskman1, ok. but do you want to ask a question about Debian? Installing it? |
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| 09:06.45 | shingouz | Danskman1: you run suse and use apt-get on it? |
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| 09:07.31 | kevix | rosemary, on my debian machines, I make a seperate partition for /var/cache/apt, maybe 1-2 gigs, since it is where .debs go. |
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| 09:07.45 | Danskman1 | shing: Yes, I do ! |
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| 09:07.53 | shingouz | !nicktab |
| 09:07.53 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
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| 09:08.33 | kevix | Danskman1, and 'yum' too? |
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| 09:09.04 | shingouz | Danskman1: in that case you should ask on the distro specific channel. the version numbers do not look like what is running on debian and... well... as suse is an rpm based distro while debian uses debs... the dependencies are completely differnt |
| 09:09.23 | host` | is debian updating it's repositories? |
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| 09:09.36 | bob2 | of course... |
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| 09:09.42 | rosemary | kevix, I think I'll probably buy a larger hard drive for that PC, so that if I stick with debian I've got plenty of room for photos |
| 09:10.03 | kevix | host`, which one? we have many,many mirrors x-) |
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| 09:10.12 | rosemary | not keen to do a new install, as I had a devil of a time getting x up as s3 video card |
| 09:10.22 | host` | packages.debian.org |
| 09:10.38 | Danskman1 | I got suse 8.2 and installed apt-get on it. It works, I installed gaim with that and so. I just cannot upgrade to 9.3... |
| 09:10.48 | host` | I can't even find ndiswrapper on it now |
| 09:11.02 | shingouz | rosemary: you can always just copy the existing system over to the new drive and make the new drive bootable |
| 09:11.11 | shingouz | rosemary: no need for a reinstall really |
| 09:11.35 | Danskman1 | I have asked on different channels, but since apt is "from debian", they told me that the experts are here... |
| 09:11.36 | kevix | rosemary, you should get a seperate disk (or just a partition) for photos or media files. I have a /home/kevin/pictures symlinked to a seperate partitions |
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| 09:11.53 | bob2 | Danskman1: #suse |
| 09:11.58 | shingouz | Danskman1: that is a suse thing, it has nothing to do with debian. that is a dependency issue and it does not occur on debian |
| 09:12.01 | bob2 | Danskman1: apt-rpm has nothing to with Debian |
| 09:12.06 | Danskman1 | bob2: I did. no answer. |
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| 09:12.15 | bob2 | Danskman1: that doesn't make it our issue |
| 09:12.22 | kevix | Danskman1, what did you want to know about 'apt'. |
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| 09:12.26 | bob2 | Danskman1: you're using code that's not written by us, on a system that's not maintained by us |
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| 09:13.34 | kevix | Danskman1, so maybe try debian and use apt! it has supercow powers! |
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| 09:14.06 | litage | jethro: i setup the tunnel with `ssh -v -N -L 2345:127.0.0.1:6789 nhoffman@deadorange.com` and login. when i connect with `ssh -v -p 2345 localhost` it dies before asking for login info with "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" |
| 09:14.40 | Danskman1 | bob2: O.k. - excuse me - I just thought that since you are using apt, you have the expertise to interpret the output...I see 3 versions of aspell and don't know which to install. |
| 09:14.52 | host` | seriously, packages.debian.org/unstable has nothing that I'm looking for |
| 09:15.14 | bob2 | Danskman1: yes, that has nothing to do with apt itself, tho, that is to do with suse's repositories |
| 09:15.14 | Danskman1 | So, I'll go looking at #suse. |
| 09:15.15 | dimir | G'day. |
| 09:15.19 | host` | I know I found ndiswrapper on it earlier |
| 09:15.31 | sep | litage, you run 2 instances of ssh on deadorange.com ? one on 22 and one on 6789 ? |
| 09:15.32 | nkuttler | host`: apt-cache search pattern |
| 09:15.35 | Danskman1 | bye. |
| 09:15.38 | kevix | Danskman1, on Debian it would be 'apt-get install aspell'. on apt-rpm, no idea. |
| 09:15.39 | nkuttler | host`: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:15.46 | kapil | litage: what is the program that is listening on port 6789? |
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| 09:16.02 | litage | sep: i'm trying to create a tunnel from localhost:2345 to deadorange.com:6789 |
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| 09:16.04 | cahoot | kapil: lsof -i might tell you |
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| 09:16.14 | litage | kapil: nothing's listening on deadorange.com:6789 yet |
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| 09:17.05 | jethro | litage: then if there's nothing bound to deadorange:6789, what do you expect ? |
| 09:17.11 | host` | apt-cache search pattern? |
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| 09:17.19 | litage | jethro: heh that's true =P |
| 09:17.23 | litage | thanks for your help guys |
| 09:17.36 | stumbles | any suggestions for a situation where grub won't boot from menu.lst, but will boot when given the same parameters manually? |
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| 09:17.49 | kapil | litage: Then what you want is "ssh -f -N -L 2345:deadorange.com:6789 machine". Where machine is the name of a machine that can connect to deadorange.com |
| 09:17.50 | rosemary | kevix, what about a detachable disk? Not sure of name |
| 09:18.15 | Danskman1 | So this is the output of "apt-get install aspell": aspell = 0.50.2-146 | aspell = 0.50.2-74 is used by aspell-0.50.2-148. |
| 09:18.15 | Danskman1 | Which of the 3 versions should I "somehow" install ? |
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| 09:18.26 | rosemary | kevix, or just install a second HD? Not sure if there is a space for it |
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| 09:18.36 | jethro | kapil: I thnk he ants to bind somthing to port 6789 first, otherwise there's no need to tunnel is there? |
| 09:18.38 | kevix | rosemary, like a usb or firewire disk? or a hd that you can pull out of the front with an enclosure? |
| 09:18.43 | jethro | s/ants/wants/ |
| 09:18.46 | sep | stumbles, verify the file actualy exists,and is readable, reinstall grub. |
| 09:18.48 | bob2 | Danskman1: you've been told about a dozen times now that your problem with apt4rpm on suse has nothing to do with us |
| 09:19.05 | rosemary | kevix, yes that's it |
| 09:19.06 | bob2 | Danskman1: apt-rpm is not maintained by anyone in Debian, and your repositories are entirely suse's problem |
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| 09:20.02 | bob2 | Danskman1: if you decide to use Debian, please /msg me and the +q will be removed |
| 09:20.04 | rosemary | kevix, I just thought it would be simpler to install a bigger HD, reinstall debian, partition it better, or differently, and have a good play. I haven't yet tried my camera |
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| 09:20.13 | kevix | rosemary, yogi berra said "when you reach the fork in the road, take it" which of the 3 choices did you mean. |
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| 09:20.29 | bedboi | lyx-qt have broken dependencies in sid |
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| 09:20.40 | djp | must i use the root terminal in order to burn an iso using cdrecord? |
| 09:20.42 | stumbles | sep: the appropriate menu entries are displayed, so it seems the file can be read. I've re-installed, but still no good - get "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" |
| 09:20.47 | bedboi | it depends on libqt3c102-mt |
| 09:20.50 | nkuttler | bedboi: borken dependencies? in unstable? |
| 09:20.52 | rosemary | don't what a firewire is, usb seem to have issues in linux - so pull out rack HD |
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| 09:21.07 | nkuttler | bedboi: /msg dpkg sid faq, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 09:21.13 | rosemary | but I favour the new HD kevix |
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| 09:21.22 | kevix | rosemary, that sounds like the way to go. |
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| 09:21.32 | litage | thanks for -f, kapil |
| 09:21.32 | bob2 | bedboi: I'm waiting for my sponsor to upload it |
| 09:21.38 | bob2 | bedboi: you can build the source now if you're in a hurry |
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| 09:22.13 | litage | why is it advantageous to use Lport:127.0.0.1:Rport rather than Lport:remotehost:Rport? |
| 09:22.31 | rosemary | kevix, yes I reckon - just the time factor |
| 09:22.40 | bassM | how do I revoke privileges for a mysql user? I've tried: REVOKE ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'user'@'localhost'; |
| 09:22.44 | SuperSSS | in which section of modconf is CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA? |
| 09:22.58 | kevix | rosemary, but fiddling around with the 5-6gb hd should have enough space to try debian. If you have any critical data, put it on floppy or email it or ftp it, then redo the install. and then get the new HD. |
| 09:23.02 | nkuttler | bassM: mysql.com has a huge doc section |
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| 09:23.47 | bob2 | SuperSSS: sudo modprobe nvidia-agp |
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| 09:23.52 | kevix | rosemary, ok. if its the time factor. then get the HD. you can use the old 5-6gb for pictures and media. |
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| 09:24.10 | rosemary | kevix, no critical data - all photos on first PC. This one is purely for playing, and had tried several distros before debian, but the install was so difficult for me I have kept it! |
| 09:24.39 | bassM | nkuttler: yes, and i've tried it... but I just tought that someone here might know, you see I'm not using a recent enough mysql version |
| 09:24.51 | rosemary | kevix, and I really apt-get after urpmi |
| 09:24.52 | kevix | rosemary, if you mean the old bootfloppies install, the new debian-installer is like butter! |
| 09:25.04 | nkuttler | bassM: i don't think _that_ syntax changed |
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| 09:25.23 | rosemary | kevix, I've only been using linux since Feb this year, and it's been a bit of a curve |
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| 09:25.46 | rosemary | kevix, previously purely point and click windows |
| 09:25.51 | kevix | rosemary, have you read/joined the 'debian-women' mailing list. |
| 09:26.04 | slackd00d | haha |
| 09:26.07 | jethro | litage: did you read man ssh, where it describes the -L switch? |
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| 09:26.14 | slackd00d | oh wait....rosemarys a girl |
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| 09:26.27 | kapil | log MSG /tmp/msg |
| 09:26.35 | kapil | log #debian /tmp/debian |
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| 09:26.49 | litage | jethro: yes, but the manpage doesn't describe the differences between a host listening on 127.0.0.1 and its public ip address |
| 09:26.58 | kevix | slackd00d, and you are what exactly? |
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| 09:27.21 | davis | i am looking for a popup calendar warning like tool I can run in black box. Any ideas? Something where I can set it to say, "Meeting at 11:30am" ... |
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| 09:27.25 | rosemary | kevix, went there a few times, and got into trouble for making what I intended as a joke, but was accused of being sexist basicly |
| 09:27.29 | kapil | jethro: thanks. still learning this IRC stuff :) |
| 09:28.09 | henk | I've just installed debian stable, and i'm getting hundreds of errors about devfs_mkdir on startup. It's not even using devfs. what is going on ? |
| 09:28.11 | kevix | rosemary, well there a bit touchy about that. |
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| 09:29.08 | SuperSSS | when i do sudo modprobe nvidia-agp, i still get the failure when i do startx - NVIDIA failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module...It is compiled into kernel as module |
| 09:29.13 | kevix | rosemary, well then go were folks are less touchy, the debian-user mail list. I'm on there. |
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| 09:29.21 | Alajuan | hi |
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| 09:29.39 | rosemary | kevix, seemed over the top to me, and I guess I was not as diplomatic as i could have been, because I think there was over reaction |
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| 09:29.55 | Alajuan | i need help how to managemet debian services enabled /disabled ? |
| 09:30.01 | bob2 | SuperSSS: no it's not |
| 09:30.09 | bob2 | SuperSSS: you can't compile the nvidia module into the kernel |
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| 09:30.35 | nkuttler | Alajuan: /etc/init.d/foo start|stop |
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| 09:30.49 | rosemary | kevix, I've had to develop a thick skin as a newbie, especially since trying debian, because I am not good at absorbing and understanding all the information |
| 09:30.52 | kevix | davis, I did 'apt-cache search reminder' |
| 09:30.59 | SuperSSS | bob2: this is the kernel-config |
| 09:31.04 | rosemary | I've been told RTFM a few times |
| 09:31.07 | jethro | litage: the manpage tells how -L works, and the difference should is obvious to me. considering how you blindly mixed all different options I'd say you should carefully read the manpage again |
| 09:31.08 | SuperSSS | CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA=m |
| 09:31.18 | Alajuan | nkuttler tool |
| 09:31.21 | bob2 | SuperSSS: that's not the nvidia module at all |
| 09:31.32 | bob2 | SuperSSS: that's an agp module for nforce motherboards |
| 09:31.34 | kevix | rosemary, well then join 'debian-user' folks there are usually very helpful and have a thicker skin. |
| 09:31.35 | bob2 | SuperSSS: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 09:31.42 | Alajuan | ie: redhat setup |
| 09:31.45 | davis | kevix: did you see anything which you have used before and looks like it would be approripate? |
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| 09:31.55 | Syph0n | bob2: not for nforce alone |
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| 09:32.13 | bob2 | Syph0n: well, whatever, it's not the nvidia driver itself |
| 09:32.24 | Syph0n | bob2: indeed |
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| 09:32.28 | SuperSSS | bob2 well the thing is, that on my old kernel nvidia works...but with this new kernel-image it doesnt |
| 09:32.28 | litage | jethro: this question doesn't have anything to do with -L, but with why it might be better or worse to listen on the loopback address rather than your public ip address |
| 09:32.33 | bob2 | bah |
| 09:32.35 | bob2 | Syph0n: sorry |
| 09:32.49 | kevix | davis, I dont use remiders. so no. |
| 09:32.52 | bob2 | SuperSSS: okiedokie |
| 09:32.58 | bob2 | SuperSSS: time to go to #nvidia, I guess |
| 09:33.00 | jethro | litage: if you say so |
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| 09:33.09 | davis | kevix: ok . kein problem. danke schoen |
| 09:33.12 | Syph0n | bob2: no need for apologies |
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| 09:33.45 | kevix | davis, later. |
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| 09:34.25 | litage | jethro: can you explain the differences between listening on 127.0.0.1 and on the public ip address? |
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| 09:35.09 | jim | there's no difference -except- what IP addresses it will hear talking |
| 09:35.15 | kevix | litage, you know about localhost and no routeable ips? |
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| 09:35.35 | bob2 | litage: listneing on the public ip means people outside the machine can potentially connect |
| 09:35.36 | bibe | litage : 'route -n' explains what you (probably) want to know |
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| 09:37.02 | istasi | mm ... which packet is it i need to install to get <mysql/mysql.h> for C ?:/ |
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| 09:37.46 | SuperSSS | bob2: i have found package nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-k7 and it only comes in that old kernel-version, so i dont think there is a new improvement for recent kernels |
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| 09:38.29 | elms | hi |
| 09:38.43 | bob2 | istasi: packages.debian.org |
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| 09:38.47 | bob2 | SuperSSS: dude |
| 09:38.51 | bob2 | SuperSSS: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 09:38.55 | bibe | litage : listening on 127.0.0.1 means that only your machine can connect to that port/service. For instance, the default mysql-server installation starts the daemon and mysql service is listening on 127.0.0.1. If you have an apache/php/mysql application, you can make only apache listening on a public address, and all php connections to mysql server will be local. There's no need to make mysql service directly available to the public |
| 09:38.57 | sebo | "[...]in order to configuer LILO, you need to add an 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of your /etc/lilo.conf" << Does it mean that I shuld add new line 'initrd=/initrd.img' to my lilo.conf anywhere or to add that line in some specific place or change 'image=/boot/vmlinuz' line into 'initrd=/boot/initrd.img'?? |
| 09:38.57 | jethro | litage: I have no time for explaining things perfectly described in various documentations easily available to anyone. |
| 09:39.10 | kevix | istasi, my guess is libmysqlclient10-dev but there is also 12,14, and 15. |
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| 09:42.17 | sebo | j/ #linux |
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| 09:43.46 | kevix | sebo, it goes after the 'image' line. |
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| 09:44.48 | philiKON | argh, i upgraded apache2 and now my browser wants to download php files instead of having them executed on the server |
| 09:44.58 | philiKON | what's there to fix? i checked, the php4 module is still enabled |
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| 09:45.11 | kevix | SuperSSS, have you tried 'module-assistant'? |
| 09:45.16 | boing4k64 | hi @ all |
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| 09:45.43 | bob2 | philiKON: libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 09:45.51 | cahoot | philiKON: try the manpage for a2enmod |
| 09:45.53 | boing4k64 | anyone know hot to use xwine in debian64 env.? |
| 09:46.02 | boing4k64 | ...know how... |
| 09:46.17 | philiKON | bob2, got that installed. |
| 09:46.32 | philiKON | cahoot, well, i already enabled a2enmod and restarted apache2 |
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| 09:46.41 | philiKON | err, enabled php4 thru a2enmod |
| 09:46.54 | kevix | boing4k64, not sure, but if its 32bit, you may need to use a chroot. |
| 09:47.07 | bob2 | philiKON: does error.log show php being loaded? |
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| 09:47.14 | bob2 | boing4k64: if you mean "amd64", please say so |
| 09:47.19 | philiKON | bob2, good question, lemme check |
| 09:47.32 | boing4k64 | bob2: yes amd64, sorry... |
| 09:48.02 | boing4k64 | kevix: the xwine window is there but I can not run any windows program |
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| 09:48.11 | mhall | peterS: thanks for your spambot script |
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| 09:48.23 | peterS | no problem |
| 09:48.28 | SuperSSS | kevix: installing now |
| 09:48.33 | rixth | Hmm, I took a look in apt but couldn't find anything suitable. I need a tool/script that will download all the links on a page. Kinda like a spider |
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| 09:48.48 | philiKON | bob2, php seems to be loaded with no problem in apache2... even the standard 404 page shows that apache2 seems to have loaded it (in the server signature string) |
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| 09:49.26 | peterS | mhall: also try: /ignore -regexp -pattern www.Free-Vids.biz.tm$ |
| 09:49.28 | kevix | boing4k64, just a guess. I dont run wine. sorry. |
| 09:49.31 | bob2 | rixth: wget can do that |
| 09:49.44 | rixth | bob2, wow! I never knew. Thanks |
| 09:49.49 | peterS | ...assuming you've re-enabled msgs from unidentified users |
| 09:50.08 | peterS | if you don't accept such private messages, you won't have the spam anyway |
| 09:50.09 | bob2 | philiKON: guess it's not associating .php with application/x-httpd-php |
| 09:50.12 | SuperSSS | kevix: bob2 great nvidia works :) |
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| 09:50.18 | bob2 | philiKON: it appears to be commented by default in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 09:50.35 | boing4k64 | kevix: ok thanks :) this host has no windows any more... so I just want to run an executeable one |
| 09:51.16 | philiKON | bob2, AddType application/x-httpd-php .php ? |
| 09:51.20 | kevix | rixth, would 'httrack' do? |
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| 09:51.36 | rixth | kevix, I'll take a look, thanks |
| 09:51.36 | philiKON | bob2, that still doesn't do it |
| 09:51.41 | arma | i just apt-getted mp3info-gtk. great. but how do i get a list of what files it just installed? |
| 09:51.47 | bob2 | philiKON: restart? |
| 09:51.51 | jm_ | arma: read the FAQ |
| 09:51.55 | philiKON | bob2, yeah :) |
| 09:51.57 | bob2 | arma: dpkg -L blah |
| 09:52.06 | bob2 | philiKON: dunno then, sorry |
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| 09:52.11 | bob2 | I've never used php with apache2 |
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| 09:52.25 | arma | you say "the" faq as if there is only one. :) -L was what i wanted, great. |
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| 09:52.54 | jm_ | it's mentioned by *THE* topic |
| 09:52.56 | concept10 | philiKON: did you uncomment both of those entries |
| 09:52.56 | kevix | arma, 'dpkg -L' I think get its info from /var/lib/dpkg/info/<PKG>.list |
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| 09:53.04 | philiKON | concept10, yes |
| 09:53.15 | redge- | what would be the best way to assign a specific ip to spercific user on a debian computer? |
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| 09:53.33 | concept10 | philiKON: and restarted the server, corrct? |
| 09:53.35 | jm_ | redge-: what the hell are you doing? |
| 09:53.42 | arma | jm: excellent. thanks. |
| 09:53.44 | Guerin | redge-: why would you? |
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| 09:53.56 | philiKON | concept10, yes |
| 09:53.56 | concept10 | philiKON: what file are you editing? |
| 09:54.01 | philiKON | /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 09:54.08 | kevix | redge-, do you want to have 5 nics for 5 diff. users? |
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| 09:54.23 | concept10 | I will post my apache2.conf |
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| 09:54.26 | redge- | if they are virtual nic, why not? |
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| 09:54.33 | redge- | is this possible |
| 09:54.34 | bob2 | redge-: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:54.37 | sanxiyn | "No let us get chance fo da bad kine stuff but take us outa dea so da bad guy no can hurt us. Cuz you our king you get da real power an you stay awesome foeva. Dass it!" |
| 09:54.39 | Guerin | redge-: what does it accomplish? |
| 09:54.50 | bob2 | redge-: it's time to learn about UML or Xen |
| 09:54.51 | sanxiyn | -- Lord's Prayer |
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| 09:55.15 | redge- | well purdie much basically what is it for, when a certain user goes to internet it has its own ip |
| 09:55.17 | SuperSSS | Where is a log of services started in the boot ? |
| 09:55.24 | Guerin | redge-: but WHY? |
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| 09:55.28 | philiKON | concept10, weird, it works on some virtualhosts |
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| 09:55.37 | jm_ | SuperSSS: nowhere by default, man bootlogd |
| 09:56.04 | redge- | basically for fun |
| 09:56.13 | redge- | i just got this subnet |
| 09:56.14 | Guerin | redge-: xen is fun |
| 09:56.18 | Guerin | or so i'm told |
| 09:56.18 | bob2 | redge-: look at the iptables user module, and xen and uml |
| 09:56.31 | jm_ | iptables can easily do this with uid matcher |
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| 09:56.54 | redge- | are you telling me, this is an unusual request? |
| 09:57.07 | jm_ | no, we're saying it's stupid ;) |
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| 09:57.22 | redge- | lol |
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| 09:57.30 | Guerin | redge-: it's unusual because there's no really good reason for anyone to do it, so nobody every bothers to do it. |
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| 09:57.40 | redge- | you guys always need a reason for everything |
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| 09:57.42 | kevix | SuperSSS, have you looked in /var/log |
| 09:57.43 | redge- | ;P |
| 09:58.01 | bob2 | redge-: you've been given three real solutions |
| 09:58.02 | Guerin | redge-: not all of us do stupid network mangulation for fun |
| 09:58.04 | jm_ | well that's because people often do things wrong because they have no clue what they're doing |
| 09:58.08 | Guerin | not all the time, anyway |
| 09:58.12 | SuperSSS | kevix : yes there is no /var/log/boot |
| 09:58.16 | SuperSSS | sbin/bootlogd |
| 09:58.17 | redge- | yeah thank you i will check it out |
| 09:58.17 | SuperSSS | bootlogd: cannot find console device 136:4 in /dev |
| 09:58.34 | kevix | SuperSSS, is anything in |
| 09:58.38 | redge- | takes everything to make a world |
| 09:58.47 | kevix | SuperSSS, is anything in /var/log/messages userful. |
| 09:58.48 | concept10 | philiKON: look for this: LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so |
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| 09:59.09 | SuperSSS | kevix: no |
| 09:59.26 | pperez_ | hi perras |
| 09:59.31 | SuperSSS | kevix: i need a list of services started... |
| 09:59.36 | kevix | SuperSSS, I know that bootlogd is disabled by default expect for single user mode. if you enable it this may be what you want. |
| 09:59.40 | pperez_ | te jodes |
| 09:59.48 | doc|work | any ops awake? |
| 10:00.05 | concept10 | philiKON: i forgot where that was |
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| 10:00.21 | bob2 | doc|work: ? |
| 10:00.25 | doc|work | bob2: pm? |
| 10:00.35 | doc|work | re: bot problem |
| 10:00.41 | SuperSSS | kevix: where do i have to put bootlogd line to startup |
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| 10:01.31 | jm_ | hmm I am getting EAGAIN from read(), I never set O_NONBLOCK on the socket, fcntl(fd, F_GETFL) also doesn't indicate the flag is set, I am all puzzled |
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| 10:01.47 | bob2 | doc|work: ok |
| 10:01.51 | jm_ | check Debian's init script that starts it |
| 10:02.20 | kevix | SuperSSS, /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 10:03.45 | rosemary | what is tmpfs - I have tmpfs 126 blocks, 126 avilable, /dev/shm - is it swap? |
| 10:04.22 | bob2 | no |
| 10:04.26 | bob2 | it's a ram-based filesystem |
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| 10:05.10 | kevix | bob2, is it an on-demand tmp ? |
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| 10:05.31 | maffelu | what do you after install graphicsdriver to keep them? Everytime I reboot I lose them. |
| 10:05.49 | jm_ | maffelu: man modules |
| 10:05.50 | maffelu | so every morning I have to reinstall my nvidia drivers |
| 10:06.04 | maffelu | do I have to do a make modules_install? |
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| 10:06.10 | sep | maffelu, add nvidia to /etc/modules |
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| 10:06.35 | kevix | maffelu, add them to /etc/modules or use 'discover','hotplug',udev |
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| 10:06.56 | maffelu | I have six nvidia in /etc/modules |
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| 10:07.21 | maffelu | that's the weird thing |
| 10:07.24 | kevix | maffelu, how did they get there? |
| 10:07.28 | maffelu | no idea |
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| 10:07.34 | maffelu | should I remove them? |
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| 10:08.38 | tombalablomba_nl | anybody experience with openldap on debian? |
| 10:08.43 | sep | maffelu, keep only one |
| 10:08.45 | kevix | maffelu, I have 'agpgart','nvidia-agp', and 'nvidia'. |
| 10:08.58 | maffelu | I only have nvidia |
| 10:09.06 | sep | maffelu, i take it that you dont use the nvidia one liner ? |
| 10:09.18 | maffelu | does it make any differance if I modconf nvidia? |
| 10:09.19 | maffelu | what? |
| 10:09.21 | sep | tell maffelu about nvidia one liner |
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| 10:09.37 | sep | !tell maffelu about nvidia one liner |
| 10:09.41 | kevix | !tell maffelu about nvidia one liner |
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| 10:10.09 | kevix | sep, beat me to it! |
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| 10:10.35 | maffelu | (nvidia-settings:1914): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 10:11.15 | rosemary | kevix, thanks for your help tonight, and you other people who helped - I really appreciate it |
| 10:11.24 | kevix | maffelu, you are running it as root. |
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| 10:11.36 | maffelu | yea? |
| 10:11.57 | maffelu | I root everything |
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| 10:12.17 | kevix | rosemary, debian should be friendly. but diff. folks have diff. tolerance. que sera,sera! |
| 10:12.21 | maffelu | for X, do I want nv or nvidia? |
| 10:12.56 | rosemary | kevix, I've had mixed experiences but good tonight, and thanks to you and a few others |
| 10:13.34 | rosemary | kevix, I'm glad I persisted - I like debian, and can see myself using it more and more |
| 10:13.52 | rosemary | apt-get is great! |
| 10:14.06 | kevix | maffelu, nv is the floss driver, it lacks accelleration. you can get it a test spin. 'nvidia' is the closed source driver that is not free. it give better performance but may crash on rare ocassions. |
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| 10:14.33 | maffelu | hmm, after I did all this, do I need to do something? |
| 10:14.40 | maffelu | it doesn't seem to compile or anything |
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| 10:15.13 | kevix | rosemary, actaully it has supercow powers! |
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| 10:17.26 | istasi | erhm .. i got a mysqld 5 running on a windows machine .. and i want to connect to it from my debian ... however even though i've kept it up to date it tells me 'Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client' ... apt-get upgrade |
| 10:17.32 | beli | someone here familiar with sasl authing and some time for me? |
| 10:17.33 | istasi | doesn't help |
| 10:18.29 | jm_ | istasi: that's in mysql docs |
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| 10:19.23 | rosemary | kevix, are you a dairy farmer :-)? |
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| 10:19.35 | kevix | rosemary, do 'apt-get moo' |
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| 10:21.25 | rosemary | hey kevix that's very good - but what si the significance |
| 10:21.33 | twentyone | I've found out that the version of "nv" that my freshly-installed debian came with (when configuring with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) is an older version of that driver and doesn't support my graphics card |
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| 10:22.06 | twentyone | I was wondering if I needed to get the nforce driver AND the display driver..? |
| 10:22.28 | maffelu | Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7174, but |
| 10:22.28 | maffelu | this X module is version 1.0.7676. Please be sure that your kernel |
| 10:22.30 | maffelu | module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version. |
| 10:22.32 | maffelu | wtf??? |
| 10:22.38 | kevix | rosemary, its part of debian lore. never really found out. maybe bob2 know. |
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| 10:22.41 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 10:22.48 | twentyone | I have their web addresses and I'll learn to download files with lynx |
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| 10:23.05 | kevix | !ask supercow |
| 10:23.05 | solemnwarning | why does etch not include driver for Natsemi DP83820 eth card? |
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| 10:23.10 | solemnwarning | sarge supports it |
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| 10:23.17 | yang | I get this error, when trying to upgrade the system: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 10:23.21 | yang | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 10:23.34 | rosemary | kevix, maybe deb and ian were dairy farmers - I can't remember now what their background was |
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| 10:23.43 | maffelu | why is my X differant from my nvidia drivers suddenly? |
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| 10:23.47 | bob2 | rosemary: the guy who wrote apt had an unhealthy obsession with cows |
| 10:23.52 | bob2 | rosemary: (jason gunthorp) |
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| 10:24.05 | bob2 | yang: upgrade to sarge before trying to upgrade to sid |
| 10:24.23 | twentyone | does anyone know if I need both drivers to get X going or just the display driver? |
| 10:24.24 | solemnwarning | why does etch not include driver for Natsemi DP83820 eth card? |
| 10:24.26 | yang | bob2: i have sid in /sources.list |
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| 10:24.32 | maffelu | no screens found |
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| 10:24.40 | rosemary | bob2, oh okay :-) |
| 10:25.11 | l3oddah | anyone got any madwifi info? |
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| 10:25.36 | bob2 | yang: then upgrade to sarge, first |
| 10:25.40 | l3oddah | cheal: thanks for the help with video, worked out great |
| 10:25.49 | bob2 | yang: if your sources.list has always said sid, you haven't dist-upgrade'd in 8 months |
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| 10:26.00 | bob2 | solemnwarning: is it in the mainline kernel? |
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| 10:26.13 | solemnwarning | bob2: ? |
| 10:26.15 | yang | bob2: that means replacing sources.list with sarge. No i havent upgraded for the last year |
| 10:26.19 | bob2 | twentyone: you might need an nforce agp module |
| 10:26.20 | l3oddah | are there any madwifi for amd64, can't find them anywhere |
| 10:26.25 | bob2 | yang: yes, there you go |
| 10:26.32 | bob2 | solemnwarning: is it in the kernel or not? |
| 10:26.35 | solemnwarning | no |
| 10:26.40 | solemnwarning | theres no eth0 |
| 10:26.47 | solemnwarning | but it was in sarge |
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| 10:27.09 | yang | bob2: people told me , its not possible to replace sid with sarge entries...? |
| 10:27.26 | sep | !downgrade |
| 10:27.26 | dpkg | it has been said that downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 10:28.01 | solemnwarning | so why was support for card dropped in etch? |
| 10:28.08 | maffelu | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 10:28.08 | maffelu | Fatal server error: |
| 10:28.08 | maffelu | no screens found |
| 10:28.12 | maffelu | how do I fix that? |
| 10:28.35 | solemnwarning | maffelu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:28.43 | sep | solemnwarning, debian uses the linux kernel. hardware is supported in the kernel not in debian. i doubt the card was 'dropped' but it may use a different odule from what you expected |
| 10:29.08 | solemnwarning | sep: ive loaded all modules that are supposed to be linked to card |
| 10:29.16 | sep | solemnwarning, 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 10:29.19 | solemnwarning | also im running same kernel as i was in sarge |
| 10:29.21 | solemnwarning | 2.6 |
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| 10:29.37 | maffelu | solemnwarning when I change from nvidia to nv as driver, I get the same message |
| 10:29.51 | jm_ | nv doesn't support recent cards |
| 10:30.02 | jm_ | which would of course be mentioned in X logfile |
| 10:30.07 | twentyone | thanks bob 2, it's a PCI-E card not an AGP card |
| 10:30.12 | kevix | solemnwarning, I just googled. says something about ns820 kernel modules and using 'nictools-pci' |
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| 10:30.24 | maffelu | ok, so I have to use nvidia, but my X still won't start |
| 10:30.40 | twentyone | maffelu which graphics card are you using? |
| 10:30.52 | maffelu | it's a geeforce fx 5700 |
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| 10:30.59 | jm_ | 5700 is supported |
| 10:31.00 | twentyone | okay |
| 10:31.04 | solemnwarning | kevix: FATAL: Module ns820 not found. |
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| 10:31.45 | jm_ | or wait, it might only support some of them (nv30 variant) |
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| 10:31.47 | twentyone | is the FX 5700 supported? |
| 10:31.53 | bob2 | yang: you're not running modern sid, anyway |
| 10:31.53 | bob2 | you'your system is older than sarge |
| 10:31.54 | solemnwarning | where can i get the.deb packages of make, gcc, g++, ncurses-dev and ncurses-bin so i can build my own kernel that supports? |
| 10:32.03 | kevix | solemnwarning, nictools-pci has this line 'ns820-diag : Diagnostic and setup for the NatSemi DP83820 Ethernet chip' |
| 10:32.04 | twentyone | for example |
| 10:32.07 | maffelu | twentyone it worked before |
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| 10:32.17 | jm_ | solemnwarning: on the internet obviously |
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| 10:32.21 | solemnwarning | -_- |
| 10:32.22 | Guerin | solemnwarning: install kernel-package, build-essential, libncurses5-dev, and then ask dpkg about kp mantra |
| 10:32.24 | litage | bob2, bibe: thanks for that explanation, i really appreciate it |
| 10:32.28 | bob2 | litage: np |
| 10:32.37 | twentyone | a 6600 is supported (cards up to NV39), but my 6600 GT is not (NV43) |
| 10:32.41 | solemnwarning | url to .debs? |
| 10:32.49 | litage | jethro: if i had been pointed to the right documentation rather than simply being told to read, i would have |
| 10:32.55 | twentyone | maffelu it worked for me under knoppix before too |
| 10:32.56 | skip | what the best way to stop init.d scripts from running at startup (without deleting the script or the sym link to the rcN.d directory? |
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| 10:33.05 | twentyone | but not under this default debian install |
| 10:33.10 | maffelu | wtf |
| 10:33.13 | maffelu | jesus! |
| 10:33.21 | doc|work | where?! |
| 10:33.24 | maffelu | I need my X =) |
| 10:33.29 | kevix | solemnwarning, I just found this : /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/ns83820.ko |
| 10:33.31 | bob2 | "RTFM" without pointing someone at the right doc is kinda silly |
| 10:33.40 | twentyone | which is why I'm fetching the latest drivers with lynx at the moment |
| 10:33.51 | litage | bob2: thanks for backing me up : |
| 10:33.57 | solemnwarning | kevix: already loaded it, still no eth0 |
| 10:34.29 | bob2 | twentyone: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 10:34.29 | kevix | solemnwarning, ok. did you install 'nictools-pci'? anything in /sbin/ifconfig or dmesg? |
| 10:34.39 | bob2 | twentyone: it will almost certainly work with the Free nv driver in x.org |
| 10:34.45 | solemnwarning | kevix: how am i supposed to install it? |
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| 10:35.01 | kevix | solemnwarning, 'apt-get install nictools-pci'. |
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| 10:35.13 | solemnwarning | kevix: NO ETH0!!! |
| 10:35.17 | twentyone | what is "one liner"? |
| 10:35.21 | solemnwarning | HOW DOES APT WORK WITHOUT INET?!? |
| 10:35.35 | Coweater | from cd or a local repository |
| 10:35.48 | bob2 | twentyone: it's a command to give to the bot, dpkg |
| 10:36.11 | twentyone | I'll get x.org going shortlyishly - I'd like to have xfree86 up first though |
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| 10:36.27 | sep | solemnwarning, ifconfig -a perhaps it got a different devicename ?? |
| 10:36.40 | kevix | solemnwarning, in that case, then usuall idea is to get a cheap reltek card that is supported and install that and use it to get the files for the non-supported device. |
| 10:36.54 | Jim | I need some help |
| 10:37.00 | doc|work | solemnwarning: caps aren't necessary |
| 10:37.00 | solemnwarning | kevix: its my laptop |
| 10:37.08 | solemnwarning | its hard to put a pci card into a laptop |
| 10:37.15 | kevix | solemnwarning, sneakernet from another pc? |
| 10:37.30 | solemnwarning | wtf is sneakernet? |
| 10:37.31 | kevix | solemnwarning, you need a bigger hammer! |
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| 10:37.37 | Jim | I recently tried out Linux but decided it wasn't for me. So I deleted the partition and merged the unused space with my original partition |
| 10:37.52 | Guerin | Jim: so ...? |
| 10:37.52 | Jim | but now boot up comes up with: |
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| 10:38.09 | twentyone | bob 2 thanks very much - so telling apt-get that will install a newer nvidia driver? |
| 10:38.10 | bob2 | sneakernet = copy on floppy |
| 10:38.13 | Jim | GRUB Loading stage1.5 |
| 10:38.15 | kevix | solemnwarning, you use a floppy or usb disk or cdrom and move the file from one computer to the other manually. |
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| 10:38.20 | Jim | Grub Loading, Please wait |
| 10:38.24 | bob2 | twentyone: no, typing that into your irc client will make the bot tell you what to run |
| 10:38.24 | Jim | error 22 |
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| 10:38.28 | jm_ | so what do you expect? |
| 10:38.30 | Jim | then stops booting |
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| 10:38.35 | twentyone | yeah I know |
| 10:38.38 | jm_ | you removed the files it needs for working |
| 10:38.39 | Guerin | Jim: reinstall the windows mbr with fdisk /mbr; in a windows shelll |
| 10:38.45 | rosemary | twentyone, apt-get install <file> I made the mistake of doing just apt-get |
| 10:38.47 | twentyone | I was referring to the command the bot told me to run |
| 10:38.52 | Guerin | Jim: or reinstall windows if that's too complicated for you. |
| 10:39.12 | solemnwarning | does anyone know where i can find the .deb packages from apt? |
| 10:39.23 | jm_ | solemnwarning: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 10:39.38 | rosemary | twentyone, sorry didn't see earlier post, just rying to help prevent you making a mistake that I did |
| 10:39.50 | bris | when i write "du -sh" i have something like 420G. I want to know if it's possible to have just the numeric number without the letter (as "du -sh" result "420"). ??? |
| 10:39.51 | bibe | http:/packages.debian.net/<package_name>. Those pages also show dependencies |
| 10:39.54 | bob2 | twentyone: right |
| 10:40.03 | Jim | I'd rather not resort to reinstalling windows because that gets all messy |
| 10:40.06 | twentyone | excellent |
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| 10:40.09 | kevix | solemnwarning, downloaded .deb packages are put in /var/cache/apt |
| 10:40.11 | rosemary | twentyone, I actually don't think the arrogantattitude is necessary |
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| 10:40.25 | Jim | care to explain what the other option is, Guerin |
| 10:40.35 | twentyone | sorry - arrogant? |
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| 10:40.49 | twentyone | if I seemed arrogant I certainly didn't mean to come off that way |
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| 10:41.03 | ahmrahtcheer | howdy y'all |
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| 10:41.11 | kevix | bris, I'd use awk,sed,cut or other fun. |
| 10:41.20 | rosemary | okay then twentyone - all forgievn :-) |
| 10:41.33 | twentyone | actually - what made me appear arrogant exactly? |
| 10:42.19 | ahmrahtcheer | quick question: when you apt-get update, where is the repository data stored? |
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| 10:42.37 | bibe | ahmrahtcheer : /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 10:42.40 | Guerin | Jim: your windows cd should have a 'repair this installation' thing you can do |
| 10:42.44 | jm_ | ahmrahtcheer: man page for apt-get has FILES section |
| 10:42.49 | Jim | ok |
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| 10:42.53 | kevix | twentyone, unless you use simleys people can not gague your attitude well. |
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| 10:43.05 | Guerin | Jim: that might fix it. Bear in mind I've not fucked with windows in some years, so YMMV. |
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| 10:43.19 | Jim | righto! |
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| 10:43.41 | bibe | Jim, Guerin : that fixes it. |
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| 10:43.45 | ahmrahtcheer | bibe, okay, thanks! by copying that from one install to another on a different hd, i could then avoid having to apt-get update on install #2, right? I'm on slooow dialup, so it's a time-consuming process... |
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| 10:44.03 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 10:44.06 | rosemary | actually twentyone and kevix - on reflection I probably over reacted - my apologies |
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| 10:44.23 | solemnwarning | how do i get .debs of apt apps that i cant dl cos i already have installed? |
| 10:44.43 | bibe | ahmrahtcheer : then, also copy /var/cache/apt/archives, that contains all downloaded .debs (if you did not issue an 'apt-get clean') |
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| 10:45.11 | bomb | solemnwarning: if they are already installed, what is the point of downloading them? |
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| 10:45.20 | ahmrahtcheer | way kewl! that'll save beaucoup time. |
| 10:45.20 | bibe | solemnwarning : as I wrote you before, http:/packages.debian.net/<package_name> |
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| 10:48.46 | kevix | rosemary, irc and email seem lead to exchanges that would never happen in real life. |
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| 10:48.54 | ahmrahtcheer | thanks y'all. |
| 10:49.02 | rosemary | kevix, yes and no :-) |
| 10:49.08 | maffelu | how do you uninstall modules? |
| 10:49.19 | phellarv | rmmod |
| 10:49.25 | bibe | maffelu : modprobe -r |
| 10:49.29 | rosemary | but it is easy to misunderstand intent kev |
| 10:49.30 | Guerin | modprobe -r |
| 10:49.33 | maffelu | I get this message after isntalling nvidia drivers: |
| 10:49.34 | maffelu | Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7174, but |
| 10:49.34 | maffelu | this X module is version 1.0.7676. Please be sure that your kernel |
| 10:49.34 | maffelu | module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version. |
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| 10:49.41 | maffelu | should I remove them? |
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| 10:49.54 | Guerin | maffelu: 1) turn your damn autoconnect off |
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| 10:50.11 | maffelu | sorry for spamming |
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| 10:50.15 | Guerin | maffelu: 2) remove all traces of everything nvidia from your system, and run the nvidia one liner |
| 10:50.19 | kevix | maffelu, do you want to permenanly remove them or use one time. rmmod for onetime. remove them from '/etc/modules' for permenantly |
| 10:50.21 | Guerin | !tell maffelu about nvidia one liner |
| 10:50.41 | phellarv | NEVER EVER use the nvidia-installer... |
| 10:50.48 | maffelu | oh |
| 10:50.49 | Guerin | maffelu: in the mean time, run drxx and choose 'nv' |
| 10:50.50 | maffelu | I always use that |
| 10:50.54 | Guerin | NEVERR |
| 10:50.56 | jm_ | I'll do as I want and continue using it |
| 10:50.58 | maffelu | shit |
| 10:50.59 | Guerin | he's not kidding |
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| 10:51.17 | phellarv | The nvidia-installer seriously fucks up your debian install |
| 10:51.23 | Guerin | jm_: you're not on record whining about being uable to make it work in #debian, so you can do what you please :) |
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| 10:51.45 | kevix | Guerin, I think maffelu mentioned that his card is never than 'nv'. |
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| 10:52.20 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 10:52.28 | Guerin | is he using xfree or xorg? |
| 10:52.31 | kevix | Guerin, s/never/newer/ |
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| 10:53.18 | phellarv | I'm have a 7800GT with nvidia module and driver install from experimental...The way it should be done... |
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| 10:53.42 | kevix | Guerin, not sure but would guess xfree as he is not a guru yet x-) |
| 10:53.45 | Eclipser | hmpf |
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| 10:54.18 | Guerin | well, i noticed a DROP in 2d performance switching from nv to nvidia on my venerable tnt2, so I switched back |
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| 10:54.29 | zeeble | Is the latest debian netinstall iso a good way to install debian onto a old Dell Inspiron laptop? It has a broadcom 440 nic, which i am not sure works with the netinstall iso... |
| 10:54.37 | kevix | maffelu, do you know if you are using Xfree86 or Xorg? |
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| 10:54.45 | streuner | zeeble: what model? |
| 10:54.51 | Guerin | !broadcom |
| 10:54.51 | dpkg | from memory, broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. |
| 10:54.54 | zeeble | streuner: Inspiron 1100. the cheapest. |
| 10:54.59 | zeeble | from long ago. |
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| 10:55.09 | Guerin | i think their cards suffer from 'same name, different chipset' |
| 10:55.14 | petemc | zeeble: sarge shouldnt have a problem with that |
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| 10:55.19 | phellarv | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:55.22 | phellarv | ;-) |
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| 10:55.35 | zeeble | petemc: cool. SO i better get downloading a snapshot of the netinstall :) |
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| 10:56.03 | zeeble | Just upped the RAM and hdd on it.. so it better get a new OS as well. |
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| 10:57.43 | kevix | adios folks. see you in 20 hours! |
| 10:57.47 | maffelu | kevix I use xfree86 |
| 10:57.51 | maffelu | nooo |
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| 10:58.30 | kad_ | hello all |
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| 10:58.35 | kevix | maffelu, Debian now as X.org which support more and newer graphics cards. |
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| 10:58.37 | kad_ | i need a little help please |
| 10:58.45 | maffelu | how do I get it? |
| 10:58.56 | kevix | !dpkg xorg |
| 10:58.56 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, implementation of the X Window System, code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info. Now in unstable. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html, or see <get xorg> |
| 10:59.12 | kevix | !get xorg |
| 10:59.13 | dpkg | xorg recently entered unstable. EXPECT MAJOR BREAKAGE. if you were previously running xorg debs from any other source you must remove all traces of xorg packages before you install the official xorg packages, or currently nvidia-glx is not working with xorg. so if you need 3d accel with an nvidia card, don't migrate to xorg, or see <xorg-nvidia>, or <xorg sarge> |
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| 10:59.16 | kad_ | is there a way to tell the kernel (at boot time) to boot in single user mode ? |
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| 10:59.42 | jm_ | kadigibox: what do you think? |
| 10:59.45 | jm_ | kad_ ^^^^^^ |
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| 10:59.53 | maffelu | ok, so I'm not changing to xorg then =) |
| 10:59.57 | jm_ | kad_: you might also want to ask dpkg about it |
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| 11:00.25 | maffelu | anyone have the 7676-nvidia drivers? |
| 11:00.36 | jm_ | maffelu: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 11:00.58 | kad_ | jm_: is he online ? |
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| 11:01.10 | jm_ | kad_: well try it and see |
| 11:01.23 | phellarv | maffelu: Experimental |
| 11:01.25 | Eclipser | nngh |
| 11:01.34 | maffelu | experimental? |
| 11:01.45 | phellarv | maffelu: yes - experimental |
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| 11:01.50 | maffelu | how do you mean? |
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| 11:02.00 | Eclipser | is there any way to get X-forwarding to work if the comp I'm trying to connect from is behind NAT and I don't have access to it?-p |
| 11:02.06 | phellarv | maffelu: If you don't know that...then get out of here... |
| 11:02.22 | maffelu | hmm, I'm not the best debian user, but I'm working on it |
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| 11:02.27 | jm_ | sure it is, as long as you can ssh to it |
| 11:02.29 | maffelu | right now I need x badly |
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| 11:02.38 | Eclipser | jm_, but it says can't connect :< |
| 11:02.40 | jm_ | or add port forwarding rules on the router/firewall |
| 11:02.47 | jm_ | Eclipser: who does? |
| 11:02.53 | phellarv | maffelu: stable -> testing -> unstable -> experimental |
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| 11:03.02 | phellarv | get it? |
| 11:03.02 | maffelu | ah |
| 11:03.03 | maffelu | hehe |
| 11:03.03 | maffelu | yea |
| 11:03.09 | maffelu | didn't know of experimental |
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| 11:03.17 | maffelu | is the 7676drivers experimental? |
| 11:03.19 | zeeble | more than a litle bit dangerous. |
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| 11:03.29 | jm_ | that'll be great for maffelu, he doesn't know ho wto do simple things and someone walks him right into the "experimental" bar |
| 11:03.31 | maffelu | this X module is version 1.0.7676 <--so my xmodule is le bad? |
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| 11:03.43 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx-dev experimental |
| 11:03.47 | dpkg | nvidia-glx-dev: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver development files), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7676-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 126 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
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| 11:03.55 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx-dev sid |
| 11:03.57 | dpkg | nvidia-glx-dev: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver development files), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (sid), Packaged size: 120 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
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| 11:04.07 | maffelu | aha |
| 11:04.13 | streuner | that's ONLY the version |
| 11:04.20 | maffelu | why the hell would my xmodule want 7676 then? |
| 11:04.27 | streuner | doesn't mean your videocard ist supported... |
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| 11:05.02 | Eclipser | jm_, let me try this other X server first, I'll get back to it in a bit :) |
| 11:05.12 | streuner | maffelu: do you get some result with 'lspci -v | grep -i vga? |
| 11:05.51 | maffelu | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0343 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
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| 11:06.33 | maffelu | how do I make a .run file a .deb file? |
| 11:06.40 | jm_ | you can't |
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| 11:06.53 | maffelu | bah |
| 11:06.55 | sep | maffelu, a .run is something you execute |
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| 11:07.01 | maffelu | so my nvidia installer is worthless? |
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| 11:07.10 | sep | !etll maffelu abotu nvidia one liner |
| 11:07.13 | jm_ | no, but you're supposed to read documentation that comes with it |
| 11:07.21 | sep | !tell maffelu abotu nvidia one liner |
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| 11:07.33 | kneet | External USB disk - one large partition - FAT32. Would like to resize down to be able to add a partition of a different format - what is the best way - hopefully without losing data :) |
| 11:07.35 | jm_ | sep: s/abotu/about/ |
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| 11:07.50 | twentyone | bob what are and where do I get the "contrib" and "non-free archives"? |
| 11:07.55 | sep | jm_, i give up. my fingers dont function |
| 11:08.09 | jm_ | dpkg knows about contrib and non-free |
| 11:08.21 | istasi | erhm ... what do i need to install if my compiler cannot find stdio.h ? ... nor can find / -name stdio.h :| |
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| 11:08.42 | jm_ | istasi: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:09.12 | maffelu | hmm, even I get sick of myself |
| 11:09.14 | maffelu | always |
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| 11:10.03 | afat | Hi there people. You ever heard of a app for linux that could edit flash files (.swf) or make frame by frame animation? I would like to know if there's one. |
| 11:10.23 | NSK | yes |
| 11:10.26 | NSK | GPLFlash |
| 11:10.40 | NSK | it's a player, I am not sure if it can edit |
| 11:10.50 | afat | Oh I see... |
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| 11:11.04 | afat | Well I'm looking for an editor... or the like.. |
| 11:11.18 | maffelu | if you find one, tell me |
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| 11:11.30 | maffelu | there is a flash linux project... |
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| 11:11.35 | streuner | maffelu: did you try 'nvidia one liner' ? |
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| 11:11.52 | k-man | how do i set the locale the debian way? |
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| 11:12.23 | maffelu | streuner three times |
| 11:12.25 | streuner | maffelu: i found 2 entries in usenet, that means: 1) nobody had ever used this videocard, 2) its damn easy to use.... |
| 11:12.36 | Om | you can't edit .swf afaik, I belive they're compiled. |
| 11:12.39 | afat | maffelu: This project, is it like an app that someone could edit flash with? |
| 11:12.51 | Om | I think there's a non-compiled filetype too |
| 11:12.53 | maffelu | it's an entire OS based on it |
| 11:12.58 | maffelu | google flash linux |
| 11:13.11 | maffelu | there is a problem with the one liner |
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| 11:13.17 | afat | tried that... saw something on USB :( |
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| 11:13.28 | streuner | maffelu: what kind of problem? |
| 11:13.37 | maffelu | I don't have the 7676-nvidia drivers deb package, only the 7174 |
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| 11:13.52 | Eclipser | jm_, ok, so, I have an X server running on this windows box, and when I SSH (with putty) to my home box and try to run for example Eterm, it just sits there, doing nothing (I think it gets blocked in the way somewhere)... how should I set up port forwarding or something? |
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| 11:14.13 | jm_ | Eclipser: depends on how you connect etc. |
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| 11:14.23 | Eclipser | umh |
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| 11:14.42 | jm_ | Eclipser: does putty do X forwarding? does your server allow it? is DISPLAY set correctly for ssh forwarding? |
| 11:14.45 | sep | Eclipser, and you enable forwarding in putty ofcouse ? |
| 11:14.47 | Guerin | Eclipser: do you have X forwarding set up on both client and server/ |
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| 11:14.54 | Eclipser | jm_, yes yes yes |
| 11:14.55 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:15.02 | jm_ | Eclipser: I don't believe you |
| 11:15.07 | Guerin | there's a whole raft of funky shit that could prevent this all from happening |
| 11:15.10 | Eclipser | o.O; |
| 11:15.12 | afd_ | hi guys! I'm looking for an X server for windows. I remember seeing not so long ago a package made out of the X cygwin server, something that would be lighter for download then the entire cygwin. Anyone has any idea of what I'm talking? |
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| 11:15.26 | jm_ | Eclipser: what's DISPLAY set to when you ssh to your Linux machine? |
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| 11:15.30 | Guerin | afd_: nope. |
| 11:15.50 | Eclipser | eclipser@fastpoke:~$ echo $DISPLAY |
| 11:15.50 | Eclipser | 172.29.133.52:0.0 |
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| 11:16.44 | jm_ | Indiana edu has LiveCD with it |
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| 11:16.51 | jm_ | that's wrong for X forwarding |
| 11:17.01 | jm_ | so like I said, yes was a wrong answer ;) |
| 11:17.04 | Eclipser | what should it be then |
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| 11:17.30 | twentyone | is there a way to stop vi from word-wrapping? |
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| 11:17.38 | twentyone | or screen wrapping |
| 11:17.40 | Eclipser | putty has option for X11 forwarding and it asks for X display location, I typed that there |
| 11:17.40 | jm_ | it should be localhost |
| 11:17.44 | Pfated | twentyone: :set tw=0 |
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| 11:17.49 | looneybird_77590 | is there a media playier that will pick up the same internet radio stations as windows media player. |
| 11:18.00 | Eclipser | jm_, let's try again then |
| 11:18.06 | twentyone | thank you! |
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| 11:18.37 | Eclipser | jm_, what should I put on the X display location in putty options :) |
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| 11:19.08 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 11:19.14 | Eclipser | I put nothing and DISPLAY ended up as localhost:10.0 |
| 11:19.15 | S4nD3r | the default index.html is where::: |
| 11:19.19 | S4nD3r | in my apache::: |
| 11:19.22 | Eclipser | Eterm says Eterm: Error: can't open display localhost:10.0 |
| 11:19.23 | jm_ | Eclipser: that's the one! |
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| 11:20.45 | jm_ | check is something's listening on port 6010 |
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| 11:21.10 | jm_ | or anything even |
| 11:21.24 | Eclipser | jm_, actually the X server is listening to port 6000 by default :o |
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| 11:21.46 | jm_ | Eclipser: please do what I say or if you think you know better figure it out completely on your own |
| 11:21.54 | twentyone | is there somewhere I can get a list of the apt-get mirrors? |
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| 11:22.18 | Pfated | twentyone: Try apt-setup. |
| 11:22.19 | jm_ | twentyone: I heard Debian's web page is really unusual place to look for such inofrmation |
| 11:22.21 | Eclipser | jm_, fine, just a second |
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| 11:23.15 | Eclipser | jm_, nothing listening on port 6010 |
| 11:23.21 | jm_ | Eclipser: where did you look? |
| 11:23.24 | Eclipser | netstat -a |
| 11:23.30 | jm_ | not how, where |
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| 11:24.07 | Eclipser | umh, this windows box? |
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| 11:24.15 | jm_ | no, look on Linux box |
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| 11:24.55 | Eclipser | ok, there's something (netstat -a |grep 6010) |
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| 11:25.31 | jm_ | well in that case it should work if you have X server running on Windows - and assuming putty knows how to connect to it |
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| 11:26.10 | Eclipser | well it should know :), but I have my doubts about this systems NAT/firewall :< |
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| 11:26.36 | jm_ | naah, it goes via ssh connection as another session, so if ssh works this should be OK too |
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| 11:26.54 | Eclipser | whoa ok, it was MY firewall >.< |
| 11:26.56 | Eclipser | works now |
| 11:27.11 | Guerin | Eclipser: have you tried using another client? the cygwin client, for instance? |
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| 11:27.15 | Guerin | oh |
| 11:27.19 | Guerin | winnah! |
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| 11:27.37 | Eclipser | ok, but running Eclipse through it was NOT a good idea |
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| 11:27.40 | jm_ | you can list forwarded connections in ssh with ~ key |
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| 11:28.02 | jm_ | yeah Java apps tend to suck over ssh x11 forwarding ;) |
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| 11:29.10 | antgel | !seen asg |
| 11:29.11 | dpkg | asg is currently on #debian (18h 49m 49s). Has said a total of 68363 messages. Is idling for 16h 39m 13s |
| 11:29.37 | Eclipser | well, my 512kbps uplink at home isn't really helping |
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| 11:30.15 | jm_ | don't worry, it's slow over 10Mbps as well |
| 11:30.19 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 11:30.30 | Eclipser | I wish I still lived at my student flat |
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| 11:30.40 | Eclipser | they just upgraded down/upstreams to 1Gbit |
| 11:30.48 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 11:32.01 | asg | antgel: so, did Arsenal win? |
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| 11:34.32 | beta_release | Does anyone know where you can find a driver for the via vt8237 sata chipset? My install isn't detecting my hd and I can't obtain a newer version of debian |
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| 11:34.45 | yang | If sid running machine hasnt been updated for a year, is it safe to change sources.list to sarge and then update with sarge? |
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| 11:34.58 | Guerin | yang: possibly |
| 11:34.59 | jm_ | beta_release: did you try 2.6 kernel? |
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| 11:35.04 | Guerin | yang: you can only try |
| 11:35.29 | beta_release | so far as I can tell it isn't on my installation cd, I only have 2.2 and 2.4 |
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| 11:35.44 | Guerin | yang: bear in mind that the words 'sid' 'sarge' 'safe' and 'upgrade' can never appear on the same line and still return true |
| 11:35.44 | bomb | beta_release: that looks like woody |
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| 11:35.58 | beta_release | it is |
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| 11:36.01 | bob2 | yang: I already told you how to fix it |
| 11:36.10 | bob2 | using sid and not upgrading for a year makes yo ua special case |
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| 11:36.28 | Guerin | a freak of nature, some would say |
| 11:36.32 | Guerin | in fact |
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| 11:36.56 | bomb | beta_release: just curious, why not install sarge? |
| 11:37.01 | Guerin | if you took an image of the disk and sent it to debian.org, it's probably make an interesting historical study |
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| 11:37.52 | beta_release | bomb:I have a 56k modem, such a download would take me months |
| 11:37.58 | bomb | doh! |
| 11:38.04 | beta_release | tell me about it |
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| 11:38.22 | antgel | asg: 2-1 with a last minute goal, against a swiss team who were part timers eight years ago. do not bet on us to win anything for a couple of years. too much depending on the young players. |
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| 11:38.28 | Guerin | beta_release: no, it'd take you hours. I know, because I've done it. |
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| 11:38.49 | sep | beta_release, been there done that, its not that big a deal |
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| 11:39.00 | antgel | bob2: i'm using sid and haven't upgraded for a similar time. i'm itching to try it today for some reason (probably boredom) |
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| 11:39.20 | jm_ | heck there are even a few MB netinstall mini images |
| 11:39.31 | bob2 | antgel: then you need to do the same thing |
| 11:39.43 | asg | antgel: :) |
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| 11:40.14 | justlikelee | I've got a little problem with my LILO, when I try to boot my server it says 'LI' and I really don't know how to fix that cuz I've never been that into the bootstuf |
| 11:40.21 | Guerin | !li |
| 11:40.21 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
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| 11:42.21 | beta_release | It's strating to look like I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get sarge, just seems a pitty when I have woody sitting here on cd |
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| 11:43.43 | sep | beta_release, one could say the same thing about buzz |
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| 11:44.32 | hyperstream | why cant my second x session get any nvidia driver abilitys or sound |
| 11:44.34 | antgel | bob2: nah, upgrading is, like, too radical :) |
| 11:44.43 | beta_release | woody's not THAT old |
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| 11:44.54 | antgel | beta_release: not compared to potato |
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| 11:44.58 | sep | beta_release, no, but it's a pity to waste a good distro |
| 11:45.01 | jm_ | beta_release: do you know when it was frozen? |
| 11:45.15 | sep | beta_release, wody even have security upgrades still :) |
| 11:45.20 | sep | +o |
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| 11:46.10 | hyperstream | where is the common place for named.conf |
| 11:46.13 | beta_release | not sure when it was frozen but it was still the main version this time last year |
| 11:46.47 | beta_release | I think |
| 11:46.54 | antgel | hyperstream: find /etc -name named.conf |
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| 11:47.07 | jm_ | sure it was, but it had the same kernel versions as when it was released |
| 11:47.08 | sep | beta_release, if woody works then just run it, just keep in mind that it might not get security updates forever. |
| 11:47.29 | beta_release | ok, it was late 2001 |
| 11:47.30 | Anthro | Is there an LVM-specific (though not necessarily Debian-specific) development mailing list? |
| 11:47.43 | justlikelee | So where do I get those rescue disk thingies? |
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| 11:48.00 | bomb | rescue disk thingies. |
| 11:48.11 | zerve_the_death | i install the debian nvidia drivers but when i want to exit from X i get withe screen any solution to tht problem? |
| 11:48.12 | bomb | that's a new one |
| 11:48.24 | sep | beta_release, if you want your woody on your sata board you must run a newer kernel tho :), i would recomend sarge instead. |
| 11:48.45 | beta_release | sep: I think I'm going to have to, cheers |
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| 11:49.09 | bomb | beta_release: does the debian-candidate have a dvd player? |
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| 11:49.26 | v1k1ng0 | hello |
| 11:49.29 | beta_release | bomb: yep |
| 11:49.31 | Anthro | zerve_the_death: I've seen that before. I've seen it go away with different combinations of driver versions and kernel versions. Back in the 0.x days, there used to be a saying about the Linux kernel. The number of bugs in the kernel is constant. You just need to find a version that has them in the parts you don't use. |
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| 11:49.44 | bomb | beta_release: your best bet is to find someone with a dvd burner and a network |
| 11:49.59 | bomb | get them to burn you the dvd and you'll have the installer and all the packages on one disc |
| 11:50.11 | v1k1ng0 | someone knows what is the name of xorg development package? I need it for mplayer |
| 11:50.17 | bob2 | xlibs-dev |
| 11:50.21 | bob2 | also, /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 11:50.49 | TD | salut |
| 11:51.15 | zerve_the_death | Anthro: i have 2.6.12 kernel |
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| 11:51.19 | justlikelee | bomb, well yeah. So what about telling me instead of giving me complements on my english :P |
| 11:51.25 | beta_release | bomb: better than that I have a portable hd, but you're right. |
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| 11:51.59 | bomb | i don't know how you would boot off of a portable hard disk, is that even possible? |
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| 11:52.14 | bomb | to install i mean |
| 11:52.42 | beta_release | I don't know, but I have a dvd burner so could do it here, it just means I only need a network, not a netwotrk and a dvd burner |
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| 11:54.55 | v1k1ng0 | bomb: thx for your reply |
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| 11:55.14 | v1k1ng0 | bob2, sorry |
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| 11:55.26 | justlikelee | Yeah, thanks alot |
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| 11:56.46 | bomb | justlikelee: i don't know what you mean by 'rescue disc thingies'. depending on what you need to do, you can execute a shell from the install cd if that's what you need. |
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| 12:00.28 | tommae | hi anybody know how to install a raid controller driver before i install the bs? |
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| 12:01.14 | antgel | tommae: don't call it bs, a lot of people worked hard on it :) |
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| 12:01.31 | b3nj | hello, i've installed apache2, and libapache-mod-ssl and i don't know how to enable ssl support in my apache2 now. does anyone can help me ? |
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| 12:01.51 | bob2 | libapache-mod-ssl doesn't sound related to apache2 at all |
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| 12:02.45 | b3nj | bob2: and then, what should i use ? |
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| 12:02.59 | jm_ | you should read apache2 docs |
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| 12:03.28 | b3nj | jm_: ohhhh yeah. good point |
| 12:03.42 | tommae | u know the key antgel? |
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| 12:03.48 | tommae | or what ever i have to do? |
| 12:03.59 | jm_ | b3nj: they include a list of modules |
| 12:03.59 | hyperstream | is there like a dns function in debian |
| 12:04.05 | hyperstream | like in xchat and mirc its /dns |
| 12:04.11 | antgel | tommae: what's your native language? |
| 12:04.19 | twentyone | should the first line in my sources.list file be prefixed with a '#'? |
| 12:04.24 | bob2 | b3nj: it comes with apache2 |
| 12:04.34 | bomb | hyperstream: nslookup ? |
| 12:04.42 | jm_ | hyperstream: Debian existed before xchat and mIRC |
| 12:04.55 | jm_ | actually I'm not entirely sure about mIRC |
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| 12:05.27 | jm_ | and it has had support for name lookups for ages |
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| 12:06.18 | sward | it has a variety of tools to do similar things too: dig, host, nslookup |
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| 12:06.35 | dadedadedadeda | jijos de puta |
| 12:06.39 | jm_ | getent ... |
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| 12:06.52 | dadedadedadeda | alguien habla español |
| 12:06.55 | dadedadedadeda | ??????????????? |
| 12:07.00 | jm_ | !es |
| 12:07.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:07.06 | dadedadedadeda | do you speak español |
| 12:07.16 | dadedadedadeda | ??????????????' |
| 12:07.34 | dimir | wha!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!??!??!?!??!??!?!??!?!??!??!?!!??!111111 |
| 12:07.34 | RichiH | !es |
| 12:07.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:07.52 | wea | do you speak spanishhhhhhhh?' |
| 12:07.57 | RichiH | wea: please stop |
| 12:07.58 | wea | weta |
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| 12:08.00 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak hablo espanol |
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| 12:08.02 | dpkg | mouarf hablo espanol hehe!!!111!!!!111oneone |
| 12:08.11 | wea | hola |
| 12:08.12 | shingouz | wea: it is not the bse posssible idea to show up here and call people sons of bitches |
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| 12:08.18 | wea | dpkg |
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| 12:08.27 | SunDevil | what is the maximum length for a filename on ext3? |
| 12:08.29 | RichiH | wea: /join #debian-es |
| 12:08.32 | shingouz | s/bse/best |
| 12:08.35 | hyperstream | jm_, your point? |
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| 12:08.52 | jm_ | hyperstream: read it all above |
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| 12:09.46 | sleon | where does sasl2 looks for application configuration files under debian? |
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| 12:10.08 | hyperstream | i kinda would have thought it would have had the functions it xchat and mirc was an example of what i was trying to get answered. |
| 12:10.30 | antgel | hyperstream: do you know what you want to do? |
| 12:10.31 | hyperstream | i find it alot easy to give the most descriptive questions. seems to help people answer things |
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| 12:10.38 | hyperstream | yeah i do now thank antgel |
| 12:11.04 | jm_ | you were given just 4 tools that can do the job |
| 12:11.11 | jm_ | but no, that's not enough ... |
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| 12:11.35 | sleon | where does sasl2 looks for application configuration files under debian? |
| 12:11.39 | tzafrir | could you recommend a small sarge-based distro with minimal packages for an embedded-type system? |
| 12:11.52 | shingouz | tzafrir: sarge |
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| 12:12.03 | hyperstream | nslookup |
| 12:12.05 | hyperstream | was fine. |
| 12:12.10 | hyperstream | the first tool suggested |
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| 12:12.21 | hyperstream | was exactly what i was chasing |
| 12:12.34 | tzafrir | shingouz, e.g: replacing ssh with something smaller |
| 12:12.44 | tzafrir | and that sort of things |
| 12:12.51 | shingouz | tzafrir: how small do you want to go then? |
| 12:12.57 | antgel | in the comments for ntp.conf, it states # NOTE: in a local network, set the local stratum of *one* stable server # to 10; otherwise your clocks will drift apart if you lose connectivity. does this mean, in a lan with only one ntp server, change the stratum for localhost to 10, from 13? (it's not that clear to me) |
| 12:13.10 | tzafrir | something functional with hopefully ~150MB |
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| 12:13.19 | shingouz | tzafrir: sarge |
| 12:13.30 | bris | goofy584, ok |
| 12:13.42 | bris | goofy584, test ok |
| 12:13.47 | beta_release | Thanks to everyone who helped me out before, you're doing a good job of keeping this one of the few decent irc channels out there. |
| 12:13.53 | RichiH | antgel: it means to change the main ntp box in your lan to stratum 10, yes |
| 12:14.01 | antgel | RichiH: thanks |
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| 12:14.09 | orangey | hey all! |
| 12:14.21 | RichiH | beta_release: heh, not many seem to think that :) |
| 12:14.21 | antgel | RichiH: could this be a cause of frequency error 512 PPM exceeds tolerance 500 PPM, or is my hardware shit? |
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| 12:14.43 | antgel | beta_release: tell that to debian-devel please as we have the worst reputation since unsliced bread |
| 12:14.49 | shingouz | tzafrir: getting sarge to about 150M is not bad. getting it to 1.5M is a bit of a pain. just install sarge but keep it small. no gnome etc |
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| 12:15.13 | RichiH | antgel: run ntpdate pool.ntp.org or start your ntpd with option -g -- if it still says that afterwards, your hardware sucks |
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| 12:15.24 | djp | does evey little action you make under gnu/linux get logged? i.e., if i open a program, move/copy, delete a file etc. |
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| 12:15.44 | shingouz | djp: if you configure it that way, yes |
| 12:15.45 | RichiH | antgel: my record is close to 6 hours shift in 1 1/2 days real time, so hardware is relative ;) |
| 12:15.53 | RichiH | djp: no |
| 12:16.08 | RichiH | djp: your commands on the command line get written into a history file, though |
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| 12:16.19 | bomb | djp: ~/.bash_history |
| 12:16.26 | RichiH | djp: less ~/.bash_history |
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| 12:16.50 | djp | RichiH, thanks. so launching a program or making a cut and paste from the gui are not. thanks. |
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| 12:16.59 | RichiH | djp: they are not, no |
| 12:17.08 | antgel | RichiH: i have ntpdate running on startup. not wanting to keep running the thing. |
| 12:17.08 | jm_ | I have a feeling he's trying to hide something ;) |
| 12:17.09 | djp | thanks all |
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| 12:17.17 | RichiH | djp: though if you use alt-f2 in gnome or kde to start a program, it will remember that |
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| 12:17.26 | RichiH | jm_: oh, _really_ ;) |
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| 12:17.42 | djp | RichiH, ok |
| 12:17.43 | orangey | I'm getting a "input: PS/2 Generic Mouse on isa0060/serio4" when I try to load my synaptics.. any ideas what might be up? |
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| 12:18.21 | shingouz | orangey: the synaptics is a PS/2 mouse |
| 12:18.33 | jm_ | orangey: is sky good enough as the answer? |
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| 12:18.42 | jm_ | why do you think something's wrong in first place? |
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| 12:19.30 | orangey | shingouz: Fair enough.. |
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| 12:19.38 | descarados | y wea |
| 12:19.41 | orangey | shingouz: but most people get a different detection message |
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| 12:19.53 | orangey | shingouz: i.e., one that discusses tap detection, etc. |
| 12:20.05 | jharrisonwk | dudians |
| 12:20.10 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Sky is not the answer. Sky is the question. |
| 12:20.18 | shingouz | orangey: so? i do not use synaptics on anything, i cannot stand a touchpad |
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| 12:20.53 | shingouz | orangey: in other words, the stuff i know about synaptics is that they are PS/2 mice and thats it |
| 12:21.02 | jharrisonwk | is it possible to have multiple hostnames on one machine? |
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| 12:22.04 | bibe | jharrisonwk : 'hostname' will always return a single name, but you can easily manage different virtual hosts on the same machine |
| 12:22.12 | shingouz | orangey: does the touchpad work as it should? |
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| 12:22.17 | jharrisonwk | bibe: yes I know about the virtual hosts |
| 12:22.18 | petemc | jharrisonwk: you can have mulliple A records pointing to one machine, and cnames, obviously, and ptr records for that matter too |
| 12:22.19 | orangey | shingouz: no. |
| 12:22.27 | orangey | shingouz: this is what I see from others: input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad on isa0060/serio4 |
| 12:22.28 | jharrisonwk | petemc: yes I know about the A records |
| 12:22.38 | orangey | shingouz: and I had something similar when using gentoo |
| 12:22.48 | shingouz | orangey: do not ask me, ask the channel. also /msg dpkg ask |
| 12:22.52 | ricky_clarkson | Do A records have a B-side? |
| 12:22.53 | jm_ | orangey: so it's probably using different driver |
| 12:22.58 | bibe | jharrisonwk : so, you are looking for...? |
| 12:23.00 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: HAHAHA |
| 12:23.11 | shingouz | !tell orangey about synaptics |
| 12:23.14 | jharrisonwk | bibe: im not looking for anything really |
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| 12:23.20 | jharrisonwk | bibe: just a yes or no |
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| 12:23.25 | bibe | jharrisonwk : no |
| 12:23.29 | bibe | jharrisonwk : ;) |
| 12:23.43 | jharrisonwk | I was pretty sure that you only can have one hostname per machine |
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| 12:24.26 | jharrisonwk | but I wanted to be sure that is correct when I tell the people who asked me |
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| 12:25.02 | orangey | shingouz: yep. did all of that.. alright.. I'm out. see y'all soon.. |
| 12:25.02 | jharrisonwk | debian runs so nicely on sparc64 |
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| 12:28.06 | antgel | jharrisonwk: just make sure that you all mean the same thing by "hostname" |
| 12:28.17 | Lumination | Good Morning. This is your East Coast sunrise wake-up call. The time is now 13:25 UTC. The weather is clear, and if you hear the sound "HooOotieE HooOoo," run for cover mutha fucka. |
| 12:28.23 | Lumination | whatup |
| 12:28.30 | petemc | 13:28 < Lumination>... |
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| 12:28.39 | antgel | jesus it's #pimpmyride |
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| 12:28.46 | Lumination | lol |
| 12:28.49 | petemc | gah, im out of sync |
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| 12:29.05 | Lumination | petemc: you should get nsync |
| 12:29.09 | Lumination | hehehe j/k |
| 12:29.18 | petemc | :) |
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| 12:30.04 | petemc | hmmm |
| 12:30.16 | NiklasH_work | hi, i deleted my /etc/init.d/apache startup script (don't ask...), and now i can't get apt-get do replace it. Is there an easy way to do it? |
| 12:30.20 | jharrisonwk | antgel: hostname -f for example |
| 12:30.27 | NiklasH_work | *to |
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| 12:30.46 | jm_ | !tell NiklasH_work -about confmiss |
| 12:30.58 | Lumination | Package nsync_1.3.2b-0.8_commodore has no installation candidate. |
| 12:30.58 | jm_ | be careful with it |
| 12:31.03 | oskie | what's the maximum number of characters in a user name in /etc/passwd in linux/debian? |
| 12:31.05 | antgel | jharrisonwk: fine. just as others touched on, dns and virtual web hosting can add to the confusion |
| 12:31.14 | jm_ | and also the answer to your question - yes, there obviously is a way to do it |
| 12:31.39 | NiklasH_work | jm_: thanks |
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| 12:31.44 | antgel | oskie: don't know. what's the problem? |
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| 12:31.57 | oskie | no problem. I want a username with 18 characters. |
| 12:32.04 | jharrisonwk | antgel: quite experienced with managing virtual web hosting and dns. |
| 12:32.08 | antgel | oskie: have you tried it? |
| 12:32.12 | jharrisonwk | antgel: thank you for your concern. |
| 12:32.20 | Lumination | oskie: hope you can touch type lol |
| 12:32.34 | Lumination | hehe |
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| 12:33.19 | Lumination | "Your type speed is 0.4 wpm." |
| 12:33.24 | oskie | Lumination: they're only going to type it once |
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| 12:33.36 | oskie | antgel: no, I guess I'll have to do that now |
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| 12:34.37 | ZeeGeek | how to check if I'm using UTC or not? |
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| 12:35.12 | antgel | ZeeGeek: using it for what? what's the problem? |
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| 12:35.31 | jm_ | !tell ZeeGeek -about ucstime |
| 12:35.37 | jm_ | !tell ZeeGeek -about utctime |
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| 12:35.59 | antgel | i have to ask - what's the difference between -about and about? |
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| 12:36.37 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: -about doesn't give you the contents of the factoid. |
| 12:36.38 | jm_ | -abiut doesn't show you the contents of factoid when it msgs you |
| 12:36.42 | ricky_clarkson | Just your target. |
| 12:36.54 | antgel | like it |
| 12:37.07 | ZeeGeek | antgel: I don't know whether my system time is set to UTC or localtime |
| 12:37.10 | antgel | dpkg: good bot |
| 12:37.20 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: run: date |
| 12:37.36 | jm_ | he doesn't know how to use his IRC client/read either |
| 12:37.44 | antgel | some geek |
| 12:37.44 | bzy | what |
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| 12:40.35 | twentyone | ewww |
| 12:40.42 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: date gave me this : Fri Sep 16 04:39:25 HKT 2005 |
| 12:41.06 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: does this mean that system time is set to UTC? |
| 12:41.14 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: Is that time correct, and are you in Hong Kong? |
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| 12:41.24 | Pfated | In HK, it wouldn't be right. |
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| 12:41.31 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: date -u |
| 12:41.40 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: yeah, I'm in Hong Kong, but the time is 8 hours faster |
| 12:41.44 | solemnwarning | erm |
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| 12:41.50 | Pfated | It's about 16 hours ahead of UTC. |
| 12:41.53 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: date -u gives the right time |
| 12:41.54 | solemnwarning | why cant kde be installed under etch?? |
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| 12:41.59 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: The right *local* time? |
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| 12:42.10 | Pfated | Meaning... someone told their system they were on UTC during setup. |
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| 12:42.13 | solemnwarning | dep libexif10 cant be installed |
| 12:42.15 | antgel | solemnwarning: because etch != stable |
| 12:42.18 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: yeah, the right local time |
| 12:42.21 | ricky_clarkson | Pfated: dpkg-reconfigure timezones? |
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| 12:42.23 | hyperstream | how would i go about setting up a vhost for my bnc, i have the domain hosted on my box |
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| 12:42.27 | Pfated | Yeh, prolly. |
| 12:42.28 | solemnwarning | so you make it impossible to install kde?!? |
| 12:42.29 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: dpkg-reconfiogure timezones |
| 12:42.32 | jepagodo | I've installed the apache2-packade and the libapache2-mod-php4 package, should php work by itself now? |
| 12:42.34 | ricky_clarkson | s/iog/ig/ |
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| 12:42.43 | antgel | solemnwarning: do you know what etch is? |
| 12:42.49 | solemnwarning | testing |
| 12:42.55 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Is it like engrave? |
| 12:42.56 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: aight |
| 12:42.58 | solemnwarning | when sarge was in testing i could install kde |
| 12:42.59 | antgel | solemnwarning: do you know what testing is? |
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| 12:43.07 | antgel | !drumroll ricky_clarkson |
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| 12:43.20 | antgel | i'd make that factoid work if i knew how |
| 12:43.33 | Pfated | I'm not sure if that question is in timezones. Unless timezones is what gets configured with base-config, where it asks if your system is UTC and shows you the current system time./ |
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| 12:43.35 | antgel | solemnwarning: ^^^ |
| 12:43.49 | solemnwarning | nvm |
| 12:43.51 | jm_ | !tell Pfated -about utctime |
| 12:43.54 | ricky_clarkson | !drumroll $1 is <action>beats a (drum|banana|snare|rabbit) into a frenzy for $1 |
| 12:43.54 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 12:43.57 | ricky_clarkson | !drumroll antgel |
| 12:43.58 | Pfated | Wheet. |
| 12:43.58 | solemnwarning | switched to use stable repo |
| 12:44.08 | Pfated | jm_: Oh, cool. Thanks. |
| 12:44.21 | eguzkia | hi |
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| 12:44.24 | eguzkia | i need help |
| 12:44.26 | ricky_clarkson | I have come to the conclusion that banana is the best random word. |
| 12:44.26 | bomb | and you wonder why shit breaks. |
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| 12:44.45 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: i know, the syntax never quite sinks in |
| 12:44.55 | Pfated | Banananananana. |
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| 12:45.09 | Pfated | I concur. |
| 12:45.14 | jepagodo | I've installed the apache2-packade and the libapache2-mod-php4 package, should php work by itself now? anyone? |
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| 12:45.38 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: timezones's not installed |
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| 12:45.55 | ricky_clarkson | !info timezones |
| 12:45.56 | bomb | jepagodo: repeating the same question over and over is a sure-fire way to get help </sarcasm> |
| 12:46.03 | eguzkia | please help me i have installed kde3.4 but doesen't work |
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| 12:46.07 | ricky_clarkson | !timezone |
| 12:46.07 | dpkg | methinks timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 12:46.12 | jm_ | is that why bananarama often features in various top-whatever-freaky videos lists? |
| 12:46.14 | eguzkia | someone can help me |
| 12:46.30 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: Try tzconfig? |
| 12:46.56 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: trying |
| 12:46.57 | petemc | jm_: they did make some really strange videos |
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| 12:47.03 | petemc | and shite songs |
| 12:47.07 | jm_ | petemc: hehe |
| 12:47.09 | Whitman | Which file contains the domain info in Debian? I need to change localhost.localdomain |
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| 12:47.22 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: it said that my current timezone is set to Hong Kong, which is right |
| 12:47.23 | ix | just like Gorillaz. |
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| 12:47.38 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: Yes, but your system time is also set to Hong Kong. |
| 12:47.56 | eguzkia | some one can explain to me what is MIME? |
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| 12:48.06 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: Can you just make your system time comply with England's winter please? |
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| 12:48.19 | Pfated | Whitman: You might want /etc/hosts. |
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| 12:48.41 | petemc | eizoiea: base64 |
| 12:48.45 | ricky_clarkson | !mime |
| 12:48.45 | dpkg | somebody said mime was multipurpose internet mail extensions. This refers to functions used for the attachment of binary files to an e-mail message. MIME is the most common group of functions used to make this translation, and allows us to tack on graphics, sound, and executable files to our e-mail messages. |
| 12:48.48 | Pfated | Whitman: Although I'm not sure what precisely you mean by 'domain info'. |
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| 12:49.13 | Whitman | Pfated, bad choice of words on my part, but yes, that's the file I'm after, thanks |
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| 12:49.18 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: sorry, I'm a bit confused, why set it to comply with England's winter |
| 12:49.28 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: Because that's what UTC is. |
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| 12:49.48 | Pfated | Whitman: No problem. |
| 12:49.59 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: You are +8 hours in Hong Kong, right? Make your system time 8 hours earlier. |
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| 12:50.09 | ZeeGeek | ricky_clarkson: yeah, right |
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| 12:50.13 | ricky_clarkson | ZeeGeek: I think the date command can do this, if not, just reboot and do it in your BIOS. |
| 12:50.16 | jm_ | that might confuse other OS-es he has installed |
| 12:50.20 | Lumination | who the hell decided to make universal time coincide with the grenwich meridian anyway?! |
| 12:50.24 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: phuckem |
| 12:50.46 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: Your system time was set correctly, to HK time. You told it, however, that it was set to UTC. Thus, to display the correct time, date does system time + 8, thus making you 16 hours ahead of UTC. |
| 12:50.47 | ricky_clarkson | Lumination: Er, England is the centre of the known Universe. |
| 12:50.50 | petemc | Lumination: what should it coincide with? |
| 12:50.56 | Pfated | Duh. |
| 12:51.06 | Lumination | petemc: Cote d'Ivoire |
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| 12:51.14 | hyperstream | how would i go about setting up a vhost for my bnc, i have the domain hosted on my box |
| 12:51.15 | petemc | Lumination: whys that then? |
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| 12:51.26 | antgel | hyperstream: read the docs? |
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| 12:51.34 | ricky_clarkson | The French would have surrendered UTC to the Germans. |
| 12:51.35 | petemc | antgel: good answer! |
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| 12:51.42 | ricky_clarkson | Even though they only went there on holiday. |
| 12:51.43 | hyperstream | i know how to add it into the bnc prog |
| 12:51.51 | hyperstream | but not actually setup the vhost on the box |
| 12:51.55 | petemc | hyperstream: do you control the dns for that domain? |
| 12:51.59 | hyperstream | yes |
| 12:51.59 | Lumination | ricky_clarkson: yeah I heard in one of the science journals that they've discovered the repelling power of london keeps the sun at a safe distance from the earth |
| 12:52.01 | eguzkia | someone here know about problem to install kde3.4 |
| 12:52.05 | petemc | hyperstream: so add another A record |
| 12:52.05 | zOap | ftp.no.debian.org is down.. anyone else noticed? anyone know why? |
| 12:52.15 | ricky_clarkson | Lumination: It keeps me 200 mils from London. |
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| 12:52.20 | ricky_clarkson | s/mils/miles/ |
| 12:52.20 | hyperstream | doesnt the subdomain need its own ip |
| 12:52.23 | streuner | eguzkia: unstable? |
| 12:52.24 | hyperstream | for reserved dns |
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| 12:52.25 | petemc | hyperstream: no |
| 12:52.31 | hyperstream | ip - hostname |
| 12:52.40 | eguzkia | streuner: i have done apt-get install kde |
| 12:52.50 | ZeeGeek | I thought the suggested way of setting system time in linux was to set it to UTC, which means my hardware time should be the time of England, right? |
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| 12:53.04 | antgel | eguzkia: he asked if you were using unstable. *sigh* |
| 12:53.04 | hyperstream | well when the ircd dns's the ip wouldnt it get the hostname.com rather than sub.hostname.com |
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| 12:53.14 | eguzkia | streuner: and when i have rebooted i see only the bottom bar with only K start button |
| 12:53.21 | caphuso | ZeeGeek: should be 14:53 |
| 12:53.26 | petemc | hyperstream: the ircd will look at reverse dns, which its likely you dont control |
| 12:53.27 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: It wasn't going to CHANGE your system time. It SHOWED YOU your system time, and asked if the system time WAS UTC. |
| 12:53.27 | eguzkia | streuner: i think yes |
| 12:53.35 | streuner | eguzkia: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:53.37 | caphuso | ZeeGeek: damn, 12:53, sorry |
| 12:53.49 | magicstorm | hi! |
| 12:53.49 | hyperstream | ahh the domain is on my dns servers on my box |
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| 12:54.11 | petemc | hyperstream: so, your isp has delegated control of reverse to you? |
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| 12:54.16 | antgel | eguzkia: why is somebody who isn't sure what release he is running, running unstable? |
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| 12:54.35 | Pfated | If he knows it's sid, technically, he knows which release he's running, no? |
| 12:54.40 | hyperstream | yup |
| 12:54.41 | eguzkia | streuner: i have start startx server and i don't know how can i open a shell |
| 12:54.51 | antgel | Pfated: he said he _thinks_ he is |
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| 12:54.53 | streuner | antgel: he is using prolly mepis... |
| 12:54.56 | Pfated | Oh, dear god. |
| 12:54.59 | magicstorm | all, i need help to intall a printer sharp al-1645cs in linux(i am using the debian-sarge) |
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| 12:55.20 | antgel | streuner: amigaos |
| 12:55.21 | petemc | hyperstream: lucky you, go ahead and set up a ptr record then |
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| 12:55.32 | streuner | antgel: :-) |
| 12:55.50 | ZeeGeek | so I should tell the system to use local time so that it won't add additional 8 hours to system time? |
| 12:55.52 | eguzkia | :( |
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| 12:56.32 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: You should have told it that it WAS AT local time. It's a different idea here. |
| 12:56.33 | bomb | eguzkia: you are obviously clueless. sid + no clue = unhappy user. install sarge. |
| 12:56.34 | hyperstream | coolios thanks |
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| 12:57.04 | hyperstream | so a a record and a ptr record |
| 12:57.11 | antgel | why won't my iCock play the rubbish mish-mash of incomplete albums by artists who have never seen the inside of a studio, that i downloaded in really bad quality from winmx |
| 12:57.32 | Pfated | Ehm. Mistroll? :) |
| 12:57.40 | antgel | i keep sticking it up my arse, but the headphones don't work |
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| 12:57.59 | freewoody | Hi all |
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| 12:58.08 | petemc | hyperstream: the ptr record is all thats important if its an irc vanity thing |
| 12:58.11 | freewoody | I am using Squid 2.5.STABLE.9 |
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| 12:58.22 | freewoody | How do I update Squid 2.5.STABLE.10 ??? |
| 12:58.29 | hyperstream | thanks alot petemc |
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| 12:58.47 | ZeeGeek | Pfated: I think I'd better check out how exactly time works in linux |
| 12:59.09 | LabThug | I'm trying to reconfigure libpam-ldap when I issue the command `dpkg-reconfigure libpam-ldap` nothing happens (I'm returned to a prompt immediatley) even when debconf's priority level is set to 'low'. Does this mean there is no configuration parameters for this package? |
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| 12:59.16 | antgel | freewoody: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade. and read the apt howto please |
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| 12:59.28 | petemc | LabThug: its possible there is no debcon configuration for that |
| 12:59.50 | petemc | +f |
| 12:59.54 | LabThug | petemc, then is there a way to prevent it from overwritting my conf file every time I update that package? |
| 13:00.06 | freewoody | antgel, you mean: apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ??? |
| 13:00.17 | bomb | LabThug: back it up? |
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| 13:00.30 | antgel | LabThug: s/update/upgrade. when it asks you, tell it not to overwrite it. |
| 13:00.30 | LabThug | bomb, I meant other than that ;-) |
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| 13:00.31 | jm_ | LabThug: no package should do that, check BTS and file a bug if needed |
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| 13:00.45 | jm_ | unless you tell it to overwrite it that is |
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| 13:00.53 | theD3viL | Why in amsn i dont have MS fonts? All the system have it, just amsn dont have it. |
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| 13:01.00 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: You might have bothered parsing the question correctly. It showed you your time and asked, quite clearly, 'Is the system clock set to UTC?' if it was local time, clearly, it wasn't at UTC. |
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| 13:01.10 | antgel | freewoody: i meant what i said. but apt-get should work as well |
| 13:01.13 | LabThug | jm_, I'm just doing what aptitude defaults to, so I don't think I'm telling it to overwrite |
| 13:01.25 | jm_ | LabThug: it's dpkg who asks you about it, not aptitude |
| 13:01.47 | LabThug | ahh, yes. I have never told it to update/overwrite that file |
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| 13:01.55 | jm_ | so do as I said |
| 13:01.58 | LabThug | will do |
| 13:02.00 | nakeeee | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libcairo2' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed |
| 13:02.03 | nakeeee | hwo can I fix that? |
| 13:02.07 | gordotron | the command "sh NFORCE-Linux-x86_64-1.0-0306-pkg1.run" causes a segmentation fault |
| 13:02.16 | antgel | !pal gordotron |
| 13:03.16 | Lecher | you are a faggots,we russian you on lap shall put(deliver)!!!! |
| 13:03.27 | bomb | (that made sense) |
| 13:03.34 | ricky_clarkson | !confuse Lecher |
| 13:03.35 | dpkg | Yes, how is their weasel today, Lecher? breeches of the monarchy of belarus with extra anchovies |
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| 13:03.44 | weasel | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 13:03.54 | streuner | haha |
| 13:03.57 | dimir | :-) |
| 13:03.59 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 13:04.30 | ricky_clarkson | weasel: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/quotes/badgers.txt |
| 13:04.32 | Lecher | ÑÎÑÈÒÅ ÕÓÉ ÏÈÄÎÐÛ |
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| 13:04.35 | ricky_clarkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.39 | antgel | Lecher: ascii please |
| 13:04.40 | asuffield | weasel: you don't like their weasel? |
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| 13:04.45 | anyw | hi |
| 13:04.46 | dimir | Ñàì ñîñè, èäèîò. |
| 13:04.47 | ZeeGeek | Pfated: I think I understand now. if the hardware time uses UTC, then I have to set the system time to local time, if hardware time is GMT time then system time has to be UTC, right? |
| 13:04.50 | weasel | asuffield: I hate dpkg for triggering my nick hilight |
| 13:04.54 | dimir | Yeah. |
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| 13:05.24 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: Uhm... GMT == UTC. Mostly. |
| 13:05.31 | jm_ | ZeeGeek: no |
| 13:05.37 | asuffield | weasel: it's your own fault for choosing such a common word |
| 13:05.42 | LabThug | jm_, I'm assuming this is the same bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=312928 Is there an RSS feed or something that I can subscribe to to find out when it's been "fixed"? |
| 13:05.42 | anyw | how can I compil and create a .deb of a program after apt-get source & buid-dep ? |
| 13:05.50 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: this is how it goes. |
| 13:05.56 | jm_ | LabThug: you can subscribe to updates now |
| 13:05.59 | cafuego | bah |
| 13:06.08 | weasel | asuffield: pah |
| 13:06.14 | ricky_clarkson | weasel: Try /nick diarrhoea. Nobody spells that correctly. |
| 13:06.19 | asuffield | as far as glibc is concerned, UTC is just another name for GMT |
| 13:06.19 | weasel | heheh |
| 13:06.21 | antgel | anyw: read the new maintainer's guide |
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| 13:06.26 | bomb | haha |
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| 13:06.54 | bomb | ricky_clarkson: i'm currently residing in the uk and i still spell it diarreah. |
| 13:07.05 | ricky_clarkson | bomb: Which is wrong. |
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| 13:07.17 | ZeeGeek | because I see this line in Debian Reference "If the hardware (BIOS) time is set to GMT, change the setting to UTC=yes in the /etc/default/rcS." |
| 13:07.21 | cafuego | Pfated: you did a typo |
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| 13:07.26 | anyw | antgel: ... I just want to create a .deb, do you know the command ? |
| 13:07.30 | Pfated | Fuckit, I just lost my line. |
| 13:07.32 | bomb | ricky_clarkson: depends on what side of the Atlantic that you took English class on. |
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| 13:07.40 | antgel | anyw: can't you be fucked to read the manual? |
| 13:07.47 | ricky_clarkson | bomb: Not at all. |
| 13:08.03 | ricky_clarkson | bomb: The American spelling is diarrhea, not diarreah. |
| 13:08.12 | anyw | ......... |
| 13:08.18 | jm_ | LabThug: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe |
| 13:08.24 | anyw | thanks for the help ... |
| 13:08.25 | asuffield | what's with this pf anyway? has phated been fooling around with a pfhor? or just an openbsd crackhead? |
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| 13:08.42 | antgel | wanker |
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| 13:09.02 | LabThug | jm_, thanks! |
| 13:09.16 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: system time is either UTC or local time. If it is set to UTC, then the system will add x hours where your timezone is UTC+x to show your the right time. If it is set to local time, it will not be changed when displaying local time. Which is why your response to 'Is the system clock set to UTC?' is important in showing you the correct local time. |
| 13:09.31 | ricky_clarkson | tymp: ping |
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| 13:09.49 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: pong |
| 13:09.57 | ricky_clarkson | tymp seems to be some kind of bot, but I don't know what triggers it. |
| 13:10.05 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: oops, thought it was a broadcast ping |
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| 13:10.07 | jm_ | Pfated: it can also remove x hours ;) |
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| 13:10.24 | ricky_clarkson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:10.40 | ricky_clarkson | Ok. Type a single space and press return, and tymp will /notice you. |
| 13:10.41 | asuffield | it's just mirc with some shitty script |
| 13:10.44 | fireba11 | antgel: lol |
| 13:10.48 | Pfated | jm_: UTC + (-9) = ? :) |
| 13:11.03 | neuro|laptop | bomb: hate to bust your language illusions, but in the UK we spell it diarrhoea |
| 13:11.08 | asuffield | Pfated: congratulations, you have passed primary-level math |
| 13:11.11 | ZeeGeek | Pfated: so the preferred way of setting system time is local time or UTC? |
| 13:11.12 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: is there any reason why i would want tymp to notice me? |
| 13:11.21 | ricky_clarkson | neuro|laptop: Welcome to 10 minutes ago. |
| 13:11.24 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: You don't SET it. It just ASKS you what it IS! |
| 13:11.26 | bomb | neuro|laptop: i am aware of that, if you would have read my previous statements. |
| 13:11.33 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: No, unless you have the power to remove it. |
| 13:11.34 | neuro|laptop | ZeeGeek: hardware clock = UTC; system clock = local |
| 13:11.35 | fireba11 | in what config file do i put mount commands for stuff that should be monted at boot ? |
| 13:11.49 | antgel | fireba11: man fstab |
| 13:11.50 | ricky_clarkson | fireba11: man 5 fstab |
| 13:11.51 | neuro|laptop | ricky_clarkson: itym "welcome to 4 minutes ago" :) |
| 13:11.58 | ricky_clarkson | !itym |
| 13:11.58 | dpkg | somebody said itym was I Think You Mean |
| 13:12.08 | ricky_clarkson | neuro|laptop: I was using metric minutes. |
| 13:12.10 | fireba11 | kk |
| 13:12.17 | neuro|laptop | aaah |
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| 13:12.30 | nakeeee | no one knows? |
| 13:12.36 | ricky_clarkson | The French did try to introduce metric time at one point, but nobody gave it the time of day. |
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| 13:12.50 | antgel | !drumroll ricky_clarkson |
| 13:13.05 | antgel | tough crowd, eh? |
| 13:13.11 | snail | ricky_clarkson s/The French/Napoleon/ |
| 13:13.23 | ricky_clarkson | snail: What nationality was Napoleon? |
| 13:13.29 | neuro|laptop | nakeeee: queens of the stone age song? |
| 13:13.29 | ZeeGeek | aight, so what I have to do is to set hardware clock to UTC and UTC=yes in /etc/default/rcS, then the system time will be correct, right? |
| 13:13.35 | antgel | \m/ |
| 13:13.44 | sward | ricky_clarkson: Thought that was the Swiss (or rather Swatch)? |
| 13:13.52 | holy_cow | guys, what is the default sound out device on debian, /dev/dsp? |
| 13:13.55 | ricky_clarkson | Dunno. I think I read it on wikipedia. |
| 13:14.03 | fireba11 | ricky_clarkson: can i even put stuff like smbmount "\\\\192.168.11.120\cmbuild" /mnt/cmbuild -o username=guest,password='' there ? |
| 13:14.05 | antgel | holy_cow: why not ask a meaningful question? |
| 13:14.10 | snail | ricky_clarkson: what I liked was they way that all the extra days at the end of the ten months were holidays... |
| 13:14.12 | antgel | !pal ricky_clarkson |
| 13:14.12 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: napoleon was corsican |
| 13:14.13 | Anthro | holy_cow: That is the default sound device for OSS. |
| 13:14.22 | Anthro | holy_cow: It is not Debian-specific |
| 13:14.31 | holy_cow | ah, allright, now it makes sense |
| 13:14.32 | holy_cow | thx |
| 13:14.36 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: Your hardware clock is already NOT UTC, why not just set UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS? |
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| 13:15.05 | ricky_clarkson | Pfated: Isn't it generally simpler to set your system time to UTC? |
| 13:15.06 | nakeeee | neuro|laptop, my apt database got corrupted somehow and I have no idea how to fix it |
| 13:15.20 | antgel | nakeeee: are you running stable? |
| 13:15.27 | Pfated | ricky_clarkson: Well, if he wants to be using hardware time now... But yes, generally. |
| 13:15.31 | nakeeee | I keep getting dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libcairo2' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 13:15.35 | holy_cow | antgel, generally speaking to frame a meaningfull question one must already know the answer. as a corrolary, occasionally you must ask a question from the complete opposite side of the spectrum to move towards a meaningfull question |
| 13:15.36 | nakeeee | antgel, no etch |
| 13:15.37 | neuro|laptop | ricky_clarkson: looks like you were right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_time |
| 13:15.44 | neuro|laptop | you probably did read about it on wikipedia |
| 13:15.51 | ricky_clarkson | Yep. |
| 13:15.53 | antgel | holy_cow: *nod* |
| 13:15.57 | asuffield | nakeeee: you broke a previous install run |
| 13:15.58 | ricky_clarkson | I'm maintaining a wikibook. |
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| 13:16.18 | antgel | nakeeee: if you don't know how to fix things, please run stable |
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| 13:16.25 | ZeeGeek | Pfated: cuz I read an article or something saying that it's better to set hardware time to UTC and set UTC=yes so that all the programs will work well |
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| 13:16.40 | nakeeee | asuffield, yea there was a network glitch and it stoped in the middle I tried install -f and it gave me errors about the db |
| 13:16.42 | Pfated | All right, fine, go on then. Enjoy. |
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| 13:16.58 | Pfated | You'll have to change hardware time. See someone else for help. :) |
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| 13:17.17 | fireba11 | antgel: don't seem like i can put my mount command for a smb there .. ^ |
| 13:17.22 | antgel | ZeeGeek: it really doesn't matter. utc may have some snob value as it means you're not needing to bodge it due to dual-booting a broken os |
| 13:17.30 | antgel | fireba11: why not? |
| 13:17.33 | nakeeee | antgel, thanks for your completly unnice out of place perjudged answer I couldn't have my morning coffee with it:) |
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| 13:18.00 | sward | ah, ricky_clarkson, Swatch tried with "internet time": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time |
| 13:18.04 | antgel | nakeeee: i wasn't meaning to seem unnice. just trying to help you have a system you can live with |
| 13:18.04 | fireba11 | antgel: it goes smbmount "\\\\192.168.11.120\cmbuild" /mnt/cmbuild -o username=guest,password='' and that doesn't seem to fit the style of the fstab file |
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| 13:18.23 | bomb | wtf |
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| 13:18.27 | asuffield | you have to rewrite it as a mount command. using cifs, not smb. |
| 13:18.29 | antgel | fireba11: is smbmount not deprecated? |
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| 13:18.50 | fireba11 | antgel: its redhat 8 anyway ^^ |
| 13:18.58 | nakeeee | antgel, the fact there is one problem I dont' know how to handle doesn't mean I should run with my tail between my legs back to stable, I've been running testing for 3 years now and handled a lot of problems just this specific one I don't know what to do with |
| 13:19.00 | antgel | !pal fireba11 |
| 13:19.05 | ZeeGeek | Pfated: sorry, I didn't mean to stick to UTC, I was just trying to understand if it really mattered to use UTC or not |
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| 13:19.16 | _xxx_ | ðóññêèå åñòü |
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| 13:19.27 | nakeeee | antgel, no one knows the answers to all the questions, and hardly anyone know how to solve problems before he got to them at least once |
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| 13:19.34 | fireba11 | antgel: i know .. it's only running in a VM though .. sadly i need it |
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| 13:19.50 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: No, it doesn't. If you want to, however, under the belied that it will make your programs run better, go ahead. |
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| 13:20.03 | solemnwarning | where is a guide on setting up the config of a wifi interface? |
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| 13:20.36 | antgel | nakeeee: fine. my point is that testing is not supported. |
| 13:20.41 | JohnnyST | I am trying to install Sarge with the netinstaller but the installer dose not find the cd-rom and it is a standard ide-cdrom on Intel chipset. What can I try to do? Knoppix and the fedora core 4 installer works just fine. |
| 13:20.55 | det | solemnwarning, If you are using gnome there is a nice GUI for doing it (unless you use WPA) |
| 13:21.11 | antgel | solemnwarning: aptitude install wireless-tools |
| 13:21.12 | ZeeGeek | Pfated: since it does not matter, I'll change UTC=no. thanx for your help |
| 13:21.14 | solemnwarning | i use kde, wifi has WEP encryption |
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| 13:21.16 | nakeeee | antgel, it could have happened in stable as well, I had network glitch in the middle of a packages getting installed and it died in the middle (diskless computer) |
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| 13:21.35 | Pfated | ZeeGeek: You're welcome. |
| 13:21.38 | JohnnyST | Can the install medium be corrupt? |
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| 13:21.48 | clem_yeats | what is the gid for ? I mean, one is member of different groups... but only one group constitutes the gid.. why do we need a "primary group" ? |
| 13:22.03 | nakeeee | antgel, that caused one of the db files to have garbage in it |
| 13:22.04 | jm_ | mediume has got nthing to do with kernel finding cd-rom drive or not |
| 13:22.08 | jm_ | medium* |
| 13:22.10 | antgel | nakeeee: what command do you run that causes this output? |
| 13:22.16 | asuffield | clem_yeats: primary gid is the gid that files you create will have |
| 13:22.19 | nakeeee | apt-get install -f |
| 13:22.35 | clem_yeats | asuffield : excellent ! Thanks a lot ! |
| 13:22.39 | nakeeee | or if I try to install the package with dpkg -i |
| 13:22.41 | antgel | nakeeee: tried deleting the package from /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 13:22.46 | nakeeee | yea |
| 13:22.59 | antgel | nakeeee: and it redownloads it with the same problem? |
| 13:23.05 | nakeeee | it just redownloaded it and gave the same error |
| 13:23.07 | nakeeee | yes |
| 13:23.17 | antgel | nakeeee: where are you getting packages from? |
| 13:23.24 | nakeeee | it gives the error on a package which is already installed |
| 13:23.39 | antgel | nakeeee: can you pastebin the full error please? |
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| 13:24.17 | solemnwarning | antgel: installed wireless-tools, now what? |
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| 13:24.55 | antgel | solemnwarning: read the docs |
| 13:24.58 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 13:25.11 | solemnwarning | what docs? |
| 13:25.23 | nakeeee | antgel http://pastebin.com/364519 |
| 13:25.28 | antgel | solemnwarning: debian packages put their docs in /usr/share/doc |
| 13:26.00 | solemnwarning | which docs? |
| 13:26.02 | sward | JohnnyST: You can check the md5sum of your CD (with md5sum) against the md5sums at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 13:26.18 | antgel | nakeeee: try an apt-get clean |
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| 13:26.30 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 13:26.50 | Guerin | solemnwarning: this is a solemn warning to you: /msg dpkg fundamentals |
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| 13:27.16 | bomb | "what's fundamentals?" |
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| 13:27.37 | solemnwarning | THERES A LOAD OF DOCS IN /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools |
| 13:27.40 | solemnwarning | WHICH ONE? |
| 13:27.42 | JohnnyST | sward: I just tested withanother install cd that did work before and it is the same ting it can't find the cd-rom even though I am booting form it. |
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| 13:27.47 | Pfated | solemnwarning: All of them. |
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| 13:27.48 | antgel | what's what? |
| 13:27.55 | nakeeee | antgel, same thing it just redownloaded the packages first |
| 13:28.01 | Guerin | solemnwarning: what a stupid question. |
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| 13:28.09 | solemnwarning | -_- |
| 13:28.09 | nakeeee | isn't there somethign that can tell it to rebuild the repository files? |
| 13:28.16 | Guerin | solemnwarning: start by grepping for the thing you want to find out about. |
| 13:28.16 | antgel | nakeeee: exactly the same? |
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| 13:28.25 | Guerin | solemnwarning: grep -rni is useful |
| 13:28.31 | deeler | i'm going to install debian on a Dell PowerEdge SC1420 SCSI, which is a Xeon 64 bit EMT processor machine, what architecture image do i need to use ? i386 ????? |
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| 13:28.39 | sward | JohnnyST: Try the 2.6 kernel? (Assuming you're using the default 2.4) |
| 13:28.44 | antgel | deeler: yeps |
| 13:28.46 | Guerin | deeler: yes |
| 13:28.54 | Guerin | deeler: you can use a 686 kernel |
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| 13:29.19 | deeler | won't performance be better with the i64 port ? |
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| 13:29.31 | JohnnyST | sward: I am trying 2,6 kernel I have not tested with 2.4 yet. |
| 13:29.35 | deeler | i mean IA-64 |
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| 13:29.44 | nakeeee | antgel, yea, it downloaded the package tried to isntall them and gave the same message exactly |
| 13:29.48 | jm_ | IA64 is for Itanium, not for Xeon |
| 13:29.57 | deeler | aha ... |
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| 13:30.11 | antgel | nakeeee: hmm. what mirror you using? |
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| 13:30.17 | jm_ | !tell deeler about amd64 |
| 13:30.19 | deeler | should i recompile my kernel to make sure it uses all of the features of Xeon 64 bit ? |
| 13:30.22 | beli | howto install a package WITHOUT its dependencies? |
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| 13:30.32 | antgel | beli: why do you want to? |
| 13:30.50 | beli | antgel: cause i don't want to install apache if i want to run mailman |
| 13:30.58 | beli | antgel: i built my own apache |
| 13:31.12 | antgel | beli: that's a different question. /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 13:31.25 | beli | that's the question i asked |
| 13:31.27 | nakeeee | antgel, ftp://ftp.debian.org |
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| 13:31.40 | antgel | nakeeee: i have no idea at this point |
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| 13:32.02 | beli | antgel: but it works with equivs i guess...thanks |
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| 13:32.21 | antgel | beli: no, the question you should have asked was how can i fool dpkg into thinking that a package is already installed |
| 13:32.29 | JohnnyST | sward: 2.4 kernel finds the cd-rom :) |
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| 13:32.44 | jm_ | why are you using Debian at all if you're bypassing its packaging system? |
| 13:32.50 | antgel | JohnnyST: that's damn bizarre |
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| 13:33.21 | maffelu | how do you run mplayer in shell? |
| 13:33.24 | nakeeee | antgel, I'm sure that reinstalling the package would fix it but the problem is when I try to reinstall it tells me I should apt-get install -f first |
| 13:33.28 | maffelu | isn't it mplayer -vo xv foo.avi? |
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| 13:33.35 | JohnnyST | antgel, and it is such a common hardware standard Intel chipsets.. |
| 13:33.36 | nakeeee | antgel, can I force it to do the reinstall anyhow? |
| 13:33.37 | beli | antgel: why? if there were some command line switch to apt-get it would have been the same...if i know the whole szenario...i do not need to ask |
| 13:33.55 | antgel | nakeeee: it's dpkg that's complaining. suggest you man dpkg |
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| 13:34.09 | Guerin | nakeeee: can you remove or purge it? |
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| 13:34.12 | bomb | maffelu: just type 'mplayer' and hit enter to see options, or read the man page for more details |
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| 13:35.20 | antgel | JohnnyST: i'd say file bug, but i'm not sure if 2.6 is supported in sarge installer |
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| 13:35.39 | jm_ | why would it be on installation media if it wasn't supported? |
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| 13:36.00 | theD3viL- | antgel, yes it is... type at boot, linux26 |
| 13:36.16 | antgel | theD3viL-: i know it's _there_, but i don't know if it's _supported_ |
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| 13:36.42 | JohnnyST | antgel: Yes I should do that becouse it is the first pice of hardware where the installer fails for me. |
| 13:36.45 | antgel | jm_: i don't know. why wouldn't it be the default install kernel? |
| 13:37.00 | jm_ | antgel: because 2.4 received much more testing |
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| 13:37.19 | xk | should I bother with ipv6 or just give up? ;o |
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| 13:37.34 | antgel | xk: both |
| 13:37.42 | bomb | haha |
| 13:37.47 | bartden_ | how can i burn a iso file to a cdrom with cdrecord |
| 13:37.58 | antgel | bartden_: man cdrecord? |
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| 13:38.10 | jm_ | man page for cdrecord has an example |
| 13:38.15 | JohnnyST | Well at least I can install now so I will get a working system :) but not with 2.6 kernel though.. |
| 13:38.25 | xk | antgel: that's helpful. |
| 13:38.37 | xk | those ipv6 howtos are worthless. |
| 13:38.53 | xk | ipv6 works on the gateway box... but not on my other machines |
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| 13:39.03 | jm_ | it's pretty simple, I just used ip addr add to configure one of the interfces with an IPv6 address |
| 13:39.08 | sward | JohnnyST: You can always experiment with a 2.6 kernel once setup, just keep your 2.4 kernel too |
| 13:39.15 | xk | jm_: which interface? |
| 13:39.21 | JohnnyST | sward, yes Ill do that.. |
| 13:39.29 | xk | see... I'm not sure if I used the right one on the gateway |
| 13:39.32 | antgel | in md, what does "kicking non-fresh hda1 from array" mean? i can find lots on google with the error, but little on what non-fresh actually means |
| 13:39.37 | jm_ | xk: eth0 in my case |
| 13:39.54 | xk | I'm using dsl... so ppp0 and eth1... which one do I need to use? ppp0 I guess? |
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| 13:40.07 | xk | or my lan, eth0? |
| 13:40.10 | jm_ | ahh you want to use it on the internet? |
| 13:40.14 | xk | yes |
| 13:40.15 | maffelu_ | are you guys agreed on that I should remove all traces of the 7174 nvidia driver to be able to run 7676 correctly? |
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| 13:40.29 | jm_ | maffelu_: remove both, then reinstall it |
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| 13:40.44 | fireba11 | antgel: just a guess but sounds like one HD of the array got kicked because it looks faulty to md |
| 13:40.50 | maffelu_ | jm_, by hunting them down one by one and rm them, or is there a smart way? |
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| 13:41.21 | jm_ | maffelu_: dunno, the nvidia installer can remove older versions if you run it, it depends on what method of installing their drivers you use |
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| 13:41.55 | maffelu_ | jm_, 7174 was installed with a .deb package built by someone I know, but the 7676 is installed with the installer |
| 13:42.05 | jm_ | maffelu_: hence the screwup |
| 13:42.18 | maffelu_ | what can I do to make it right= |
| 13:42.19 | maffelu_ | ? |
| 13:42.43 | maffelu_ | dpkg -P "the 7174 driver" didn't work |
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| 13:42.52 | freewoody | By the way, How do I reduce my Squid Caches which is almost 10 GB ? |
| 13:42.56 | jm_ | list the files in the package, remove the package - then see what happens if you try installing it again |
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| 13:43.14 | antgel | fireba11: thanks but i'm not looking for a guess. :) |
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| 13:43.19 | xk | freewoody: locate the cache_dir line and change ... well... it might say 10gb there. |
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| 13:43.35 | maffelu_ | jm_ how do I list the packages of the deb file? |
| 13:43.36 | xk | freewoody: then restart and watch the cache being purged. |
| 13:43.40 | jm_ | maffelu_: read the FAQ |
| 13:43.53 | freewoody | Well Change the cache to say 2 GB |
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| 13:44.03 | jm_ | maffelu_: don't remove the files before removing the package and don't remove them if they belong to another package after you remove it! |
| 13:44.08 | xk | freewoody: ahh... sorry... the units are in megs. |
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| 13:44.23 | freewoody | xk , I don't understand but change the cache to which size ??? |
| 13:44.25 | xk | freewoody: so "cache_dir ufs /home/squid 2048 32 32" |
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| 13:44.39 | xk | or 256 256 instead of 32 32 |
| 13:44.52 | freewoody | Then what will happen ? |
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| 13:44.58 | xk | I use /home/squid since it's a separate drive for me... it would be /var/spool/squid in your case. |
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| 13:45.15 | freewoody | The cache will get to size zero ? |
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| 13:45.43 | xk | freewoody: save it. then /etc/init.d/squid restart and it will purge LRU objects until the size restriction is met. |
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| 13:46.05 | freewoody | What is I want to increase my Cache size, just change the size in Squid.conf |
| 13:46.12 | xk | yes. |
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| 13:46.26 | jm_ | you may want to read the squid manual |
| 13:46.30 | maffelu_ | jm_ still can't figure out what name to give to the dpkg -P command |
| 13:46.46 | jm_ | maffelu_: package name |
| 13:47.16 | maffelu_ | jm_ I don't know the name of the package it installs |
| 13:47.19 | maffelu_ | nvidia isn't right |
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| 13:47.33 | jm_ | maffelu_: so find it |
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| 13:48.03 | xk | jmg: so no idea on how to get ipv6 working to the internet? |
| 13:48.16 | freewoody | xk, my cache is still full ?? |
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| 13:48.25 | fireba11 | antgel: after some research it obviously means it took the HD out of the array because it wasn't sync anymore ... |
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| 13:48.27 | jm_ | xk: no, it depends on whether you need to tunnel it or not, I only needed it locally |
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| 13:48.46 | xk | jmg: well, it works on the gateway/router machine... but not from my desktop machine for example. |
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| 13:48.53 | xk | jm_ rather. |
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| 13:48.57 | sleon | hi |
| 13:49.09 | sleon | where is libstdc++ from woody |
| 13:49.15 | sleon | where can i grab it? |
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| 13:49.21 | xk | apt: find libstdc++ woody |
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| 13:49.22 | jm_ | xk: I have no experience with that, sorry |
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| 13:49.31 | jm_ | Woody has several libstdc++ packages |
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| 13:49.50 | sleon | jm_ where are all of them |
| 13:49.56 | jm_ | sleon: on the internet |
| 13:50.09 | antgel | fireba11: i'm looking to find out how it got out of sync. hasn't been disconnected. |
| 13:50.11 | jm_ | !tell sleon -about search |
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| 13:50.54 | fireba11 | antgel: naturally ... could always be a damaged disk though .. |
| 13:50.59 | freewoody | xk, what I really wanted to know was my Squid caches are almost full. How do I recover space in Squid Caches ?? |
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| 13:51.08 | sleon | jm_ look |
| 13:51.10 | sleon | here |
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| 13:51.13 | sleon | !+find libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 13:51.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:51.19 | sleon | no results |
| 13:51.27 | xk | freewoody: I've told you how. I can't do anything more to help. |
| 13:51.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2' returned no results. |
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| 13:51.41 | freewoody | My Caches still show up as the same |
| 13:51.41 | jm_ | wrong |
| 13:51.43 | jm_ | !libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 13:51.43 | dpkg | well, libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 is apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 (but this is only in woody! If you need this in sarge or sid, add a woody line to sources.list) |
| 13:51.53 | bob2 | we all need to put in some money |
| 13:51.55 | bob2 | just a little |
| 13:51.59 | bob2 | to hire freewoody a sysadmin |
| 13:52.04 | bob2 | or to buy soem o'reilly books |
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| 13:52.14 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 13:52.15 | antgel | bob2: pay me and i'll do it |
| 13:52.17 | xk | cluebyfour |
| 13:52.22 | ciroro | Hi, I want to convert my / partition from ext2 to ext3. Pages where this is explained say I have to use mkinitrd, but I have no initrd* files in my /boot. Can I just ignore this step? |
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| 13:52.33 | jm_ | maybe we can raise enough to buy him a genuine copy of Windows |
| 13:52.35 | xk | ciroro: yes, ignore. |
| 13:52.37 | antgel | ciroro: initrd is nothing to do with ext3 |
| 13:52.37 | ciroro | The initrd= line in my lilo.conf is also commented out (I didn't install this version myself) |
| 13:52.43 | bob2 | ciroro: they're wrong, use tune2fs |
| 13:52.47 | RichiH | ciroro: tune2fs -j /dev/yourdevice |
| 13:52.49 | RichiH | ciroro: but umount first |
| 13:52.52 | xk | and edit /etc/fstab aswell. |
| 13:52.59 | RichiH | xk: of course |
| 13:53.00 | xk | RichiH: I never unmount ;) |
| 13:53.01 | ciroro | yeah, tunefs -j is there, and fstab, but also initrd |
| 13:53.06 | RichiH | xk: how's you? :) |
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| 13:53.16 | xk | jsut mount -o remount /mountpoint |
| 13:53.23 | ciroro | Okay, I'm new to this, but how can I unmount the / and still be able to login |
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| 13:53.51 | fireba11 | ciroro: uhm .. u are logged in while doing this ? |
| 13:53.53 | xk | RichiH: i'm ok. don't really miss irc that much ;o |
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| 13:54.05 | xk | !u |
| 13:54.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:54.10 | ciroro | fireba11: at the moment I'm just reading pages about ext2 to ext3 conversion :) |
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| 13:54.28 | antgel | ciroro: better to use a livecd and do it from there |
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| 13:54.50 | sleon | hmm |
| 13:55.06 | Aradorn | can anyone explain to me this line from a bind9 zone file: cluster. IN SOA grendel. root.grendel. (, specifically the first part (cluster) |
| 13:55.06 | sleon | netscape4 is so much fater then firefox and dillo |
| 13:55.06 | ciroro | antgel: okay, but it's a lot of work getting the box out of my closet |
| 13:55.06 | xk | jm_: hm.. do you know how to disable ipv6 on a particular machine? |
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| 13:55.10 | sleon | why the hell it is not developed anymore |
| 13:55.16 | sleon | and it is almost feature coplete :( |
| 13:55.24 | sleon | dillo does not even have proper ssl support |
| 13:55.27 | Aradorn | i know that grendel is the domain and root.grendel says who owns it. but I dont understand the first part. the tutorials on line use @ and things like that |
| 13:55.31 | Guerin | sleon: wtf |
| 13:55.35 | bob2 | Aradorn: that's bizarre |
| 13:55.44 | xk | I could crash netscape4 in 60 seconds ;) |
| 13:55.45 | Guerin | sleon: mozilla is netscape4 brought into the 3rd millennium |
| 13:55.47 | jm_ | xk: remove it from the interface, ip addr del is probably the simplest, might also work if you remove it from config files and restart networking |
| 13:56.01 | Guerin | with proper support for stuff like CSS |
| 13:56.09 | sleon | Guerin is it developed further? |
| 13:56.13 | Aradorn | heh yeah im working on setting up a beowulf cluster with another friend adn he was doing something and trying to figure it out (he wants me to setup the dns which ive never done) |
| 13:56.14 | bob2 | Aradorn: but it's adding a SOA record for the cluster tld |
| 13:56.21 | Guerin | sleon: yes, it is. |
| 13:56.33 | sleon | Guerin so it is developed further? |
| 13:56.34 | Guerin | sleon: mozilla and firefox are both under constant development. |
| 13:56.39 | xk | jm_: I didnt' even set any ipv6 addresses... but apt-get wants to connect to one. |
| 13:56.39 | Guerin | sleon: yes, it is. |
| 13:56.41 | sleon | Guerin loool |
| 13:56.50 | Guerin | sleon: ...? |
| 13:56.52 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: And both under constant mismanagement. |
| 13:56.54 | Aradorn | bob2: so how is that different tahn using @? which is see in teh different tutorials |
| 13:56.55 | sleon | Guerin mozilla and firefox need 5 times more memory and does not run on old hardware |
| 13:56.55 | ricky_clarkson | !why not mozilla |
| 13:56.55 | dpkg | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84128 |
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| 13:57.04 | sleon | Guerin or are soooo slooow |
| 13:57.05 | jm_ | xk: ahh maybe resolver is asking for ipv6 address first |
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| 13:57.10 | Guerin | sleon: define old |
| 13:57.10 | xk | jm_: yep. |
| 13:57.12 | antgel | Aradorn: the . replaces the @ in email address in zone file syntax |
| 13:57.13 | bob2 | Aradorn: if the zone file is for .cluster., it's no different |
| 13:57.15 | xk | I want to disable that. |
| 13:57.16 | sleon | Guerin p133 with 64 mb ram |
| 13:57.16 | Guerin | sleon: because I run it on a p2-233 |
| 13:57.20 | maffelu | I need that nvidia one-liner again |
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| 13:57.24 | maffelu | someone feel like posting it |
| 13:57.25 | maffelu | ? |
| 13:57.26 | bob2 | antgel: he/she's refering to @ in the zone file sense |
| 13:57.30 | bob2 | maffelu: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 13:57.36 | jm_ | xk: removing kernel support will also cut it |
| 13:57.37 | sleon | Guerin n4 runs pefectly here |
| 13:57.41 | antgel | Aradorn: the @ in the top left is the zone name as given in named.conf |
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| 13:57.43 | Guerin | sleon: you're using a computer from 1995 ... use software from 1995 too |
| 13:57.44 | sleon | Guerin dillo runs too , but it lacks so much |
| 13:57.46 | antgel | bob2: *nod* |
| 13:57.50 | shags | can anyone tell me what would cause some packages to be held back when dount apt-get upgrade? |
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| 13:57.53 | Aradorn | right like here: @ IN SOA yourdomain.com. root.yourdomain.com. ( |
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| 13:58.03 | antgel | Aradorn: ^^^ |
| 13:58.06 | xk | jm_: well... that would mean I need to reboot ;) we don't want a windows solution? ;) |
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| 13:58.12 | sleon | Guerin but what i don't understand , why is netscape4 so much better then firefox in speed and memory consumption? what has changed? |
| 13:58.15 | Guerin | sleon: or you could use your 133 as an X terminal, a task for which it would be extremely well suited |
| 13:58.17 | jm_ | xk: well unless you use modules |
| 13:58.21 | CaT[tm] | shags: which release are you using? |
| 13:58.24 | Guerin | sleon: it doesn't do nearly as much |
| 13:58.27 | xk | yeah, I use modules... but it cannot be unloaded. |
| 13:58.28 | Aradorn | ahhhhh ok |
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| 13:58.36 | mejo | hello |
| 13:58.46 | jm_ | xk: yeah it can, you jsut need to stop networking ;) |
| 13:58.54 | xk | ;) |
| 13:58.58 | sleon | Guerin another question: do you know how to make telnetd talk with tn5250 clients(they use ibm-3477-fc protocol used to speak with as/400 servers) |
| 13:58.58 | mejo | i try to list all directories in a path except the one that is called 'debian'. |
| 13:59.08 | xk | I'll just ifconfig del ... it |
| 13:59.09 | xk | might work ;) |
| 13:59.10 | shags | i was using sarge when it was in testing but i never changed my apt sources to stable so does that mean im using not using sarge anymore? |
| 13:59.11 | mejo | find . -maxdepth 1 -wholename './debian' -prune -o -print |
| 13:59.12 | sleon | Guerin i have here some rdp clients :()(( |
| 13:59.12 | Guerin | sleon: nope, I know nothing about that. |
| 13:59.23 | sleon | Guerin but xrdp keeps crashing , know anything about that? |
| 13:59.26 | antgel | shags: depends when you last upgraded |
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| 13:59.49 | mejo | this is nearly what i want, but it lists the directory ./. as well, and i only want real directories, without the path itself. |
| 13:59.58 | Guerin | sleon: i don't use xrdp, i use xdmcp or ssh -X |
| 14:00.13 | shags | antgel: i upgrade pretty often but i didnt do anything special when sarge was moved to stable, should i have? |
| 14:00.19 | mejo | how can i list all directories except './debian' in a path ? |
| 14:00.25 | sleon | Guerin :)) i would too, but this thin clients are windows ce |
| 14:00.29 | xk | jm_: ifconfig eth0 del ipv6addr/prefixlen worked ;) |
| 14:00.31 | sleon | Guerin they costed 10 euros |
| 14:00.37 | antgel | shags: only if you wanted to stick with sarge as stable rather than continue tracking testing |
| 14:00.40 | sleon | Guerin linux x terminals costs 200 euros |
| 14:00.42 | Guerin | mejo: find . |egrep -v debian$ |
| 14:00.50 | jm_ | xk: ahh cool, it didn't back when I was messing with it |
| 14:00.55 | sleon | Guerin and old hardware it is sooo bug |
| 14:00.56 | sleon | big |
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| 14:01.02 | Guerin | sleon: hahah |
| 14:01.04 | antgel | shags: hold on, does your sources.list say sarge or testing? |
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| 14:01.18 | Guerin | sleon: a bunch of scrounged-up pentia could do the job, too |
| 14:01.19 | xk | hm... anyone got flash working automatically in deerpark b1? |
| 14:01.19 | jjazz_ | sleon: If you want to do thin clients, look into NX, especially FreeNX. It's a very nice, very easy and very fast solution. |
| 14:01.23 | shags | antgel: thats what i asumed which is why i didnt change anything, but i still cant figure out why some packages would be held back |
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| 14:01.26 | mejo | Guerin: even that lists '.' as a directory, and i don't want that in the list. |
| 14:01.32 | shags | antgel: no it says testing |
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| 14:01.39 | sleon | jjazz_ is it rdp compatible? |
| 14:01.43 | Guerin | mejo: grep it out |
| 14:01.46 | sleon | or do you mean simply the compression? |
| 14:01.56 | jjazz_ | sleon: dunno |
| 14:01.57 | antgel | shags: some packages are held back because they won't be upgraded until you dist-upgrade |
| 14:02.01 | urquidez | anyone using vmware? how much ram should be left for the host os? |
| 14:02.22 | shags | antgel: should i do a dist-upgrade? |
| 14:02.34 | fireba11 | urquidez: i got VM running on 2 machines here .. |
| 14:02.34 | antgel | shags: what do you want to do exactly? |
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| 14:02.47 | fireba11 | urquidez: depends on wht you want to do in the VMs |
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| 14:03.15 | fireba11 | urquidez: and what the host is doing besides vm |
| 14:03.35 | urquidez | fireba11: just filtering for the host |
| 14:03.37 | shags | antgel: i just want my system to be up to date with the testing tree, but the packages it is holding back seem like they should be upgraded |
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| 14:04.15 | urquidez | maybe 5-6 linux/unix vms |
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| 14:04.28 | fireba11 | urquidez: vms with desktop ? :-) |
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| 14:04.30 | antgel | shags: then dist-upgrade. i hope you know what you are doing. testing != stable |
| 14:04.44 | urquidez | fireba11: no, just servers |
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| 14:04.54 | fireba11 | urquidez: sounds like 2 GB ram in total should do |
| 14:05.08 | mejo | Guerin: i guess that there is a better way than find . | grep -v foo | grep -v bar | grep ... |
| 14:05.50 | shags | is there a more detailed way to see why certain packages are being kept back? |
| 14:06.02 | beli | muhaha |
| 14:06.04 | antgel | shags: run aptitude? |
| 14:06.10 | beli | useless use of tools award |
| 14:06.13 | Guerin | mejo: definitely, i'm just shit with find |
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| 14:06.40 | bomb | shags: just apt-get dist-upgrade and then manually install all the packages that were held back |
| 14:06.43 | Guerin | mejo: you could use egrep -v 'bar|foo|fizz' for extra uncredit |
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| 14:06.55 | antgel | mejo: it's not the worst thing in the world. beauty of *nix is due to simple tools like | and grep |
| 14:07.05 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Indeedily. |
| 14:07.20 | antgel | bomb: what makes you think that he's gonna have packages held back after a dist-upgrade? |
| 14:07.38 | bomb | antgel: no idea, why is he asking about it? |
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| 14:07.48 | BlackJudas|TWL | Is there a repo that replaced the nerim.net one? |
| 14:07.50 | bomb | i didn't scroll up |
| 14:08.00 | antgel | bomb: if you have no idea, why are you telling him what to do? |
| 14:08.01 | Guerin | bomb: why would there be? |
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| 14:08.05 | Guerin | BlackJudas|TWL: ^ |
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| 14:08.33 | BlackJudas|TWL | Guerin: ? |
| 14:08.34 | bomb | because the other day on my testing box, i did a normal apt-get update/upgrade and like 16 packages were held |
| 14:08.47 | shags | bomb: thats my problem |
| 14:08.48 | antgel | bomb: yes but that's not a dist-upgrade |
| 14:08.56 | bomb | i am aware of that. |
| 14:08.58 | Guerin | BlackJudas|TWL: why would there be? |
| 14:09.06 | antgel | jesus |
| 14:09.07 | bomb | shags: like i said, just install them |
| 14:09.18 | Guerin | BlackJudas|TWL: normal behavior. read man apt-get if you don't get it. |
| 14:09.22 | Guerin | no error here. Move along |
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| 14:09.28 | Guerin | BAH |
| 14:09.31 | antgel | bomb: why are you telling him to do anything manually? |
| 14:09.35 | Guerin | fucking stupid people with B nicks |
| 14:09.45 | Guerin | bomb: normal behavior. read man apt-get if you don't get it. |
| 14:10.18 | bomb | i'm not the one in here asking, why would i read anything |
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| 14:10.18 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: Doodily |
| 14:10.19 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 14:10.20 | bomb | wow, i care if i get ignored |
| 14:10.28 | bomb | you're like, superior |
| 14:10.37 | Guerin | bomb: oh, ok |
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| 14:11.08 | Guerin | too ... many ... morons ... ... can't ... keep ... above ... water |
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| 14:11.19 | asg | Guerin: time to get the aqualung |
| 14:11.21 | BlackJudas|TWL | Guerin: I was just fucking wondering if someone picked up a mirror, because fucking debian doesn't offer enough binaries for us fucking l33t DVD ripperz! |
| 14:11.45 | Guerin | BlackJudas|TWL: there's nothing wrong with marillat's repo, at least to my knowledge |
| 14:11.50 | antgel | asg: aqualung rocks |
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| 14:12.10 | asg | antgel: I prefer stormwatch or songs from the wood personally |
| 14:12.18 | debian_newbie88 | hello all |
| 14:12.25 | streuner | ah, Jehtro Tull :-) |
| 14:12.27 | antgel | asg: i only have the one tull lp |
| 14:12.55 | debian_newbie88 | where are download apt file? |
| 14:13.01 | antgel | hmm |
| 14:13.07 | fireba11 | antgel: got all somewhere .. :-) |
| 14:13.12 | antgel | debian_newbie88: i'm going to ask you one question. are you a troll? |
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| 14:13.36 | BlackJudas|TWL | Guerin: It went offline a while back, due to heavy load. |
| 14:13.39 | antgel | i swear i have the best troll radar |
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| 14:13.51 | streuner | debian_newbie88: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:13.56 | streuner | let us see... |
| 14:13.58 | jjazz_ | I've installed a new box from testing. Mozilla's setup wants to know what my dsp sound wrapper is. I have no clue what my sound wrapper is. How can I find out? |
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| 14:14.09 | Guerin | BlackJudas|TWL: well, apt.cerkinfo.be has some sid packages which I've had success with ... but they're bleeding-edge cvs builds |
| 14:14.09 | debian_newbie88 | no |
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| 14:14.16 | BlackJudas|TWL | Though, you'd figure someone would miss it enough, that they'd setup an alternative. We want it all for free methinks. |
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| 14:14.50 | debian_newbie88 | because if I don't want install via internet. |
| 14:15.09 | streuner | debian_newbie88: why not? |
| 14:15.22 | debian_newbie88 | because internet is slowly. |
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| 14:15.33 | debian_newbie88 | and long time.... |
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| 14:15.45 | Ronin | 1 hour is too long from start to finish? |
| 14:15.50 | session | How to get gnome 2.12 for debian sarge? |
| 14:15.57 | Guerin | session: you don't. |
| 14:16.10 | session | Guerin, : How come? |
| 14:16.17 | debian_newbie88 | I use more than 1 hours. |
| 14:16.20 | prophile | they're two completely different flavours of linux |
| 14:16.21 | antgel | session: because sarge is stable |
| 14:16.22 | Guerin | session: because it wasn't released when sarge was. |
| 14:16.35 | Guerin | prophile: eh? |
| 14:16.35 | prophile | aren't they |
| 14:16.38 | jjazz_ | Let me ask this another way: is there a recommended or preferred dsp wrapper in Debian? |
| 14:16.42 | prophile | uh |
| 14:16.43 | prophile | ok |
| 14:16.44 | debian_newbie88 | I try download iso cd and I see 14 cds Oh my god. |
| 14:16.47 | streuner | debian_newbie88: do you have fast i-net connection somewhere else? |
| 14:16.52 | Guerin | prophile: of what are you talking? |
| 14:16.53 | debian_newbie88 | It many cds |
| 14:16.53 | session | Guerin, : What version of debian will run gnome 2.12 then? |
| 14:17.02 | bob2 | session: none, as yet |
| 14:17.10 | bob2 | it came out last week, you pepole need to chill out |
| 14:17.10 | prophile | Guerin: debian and gnome, although I'm wrong apparently |
| 14:17.16 | Ronin | debian_newbie88: you dont need all of the cds, in fact you cant even install everything on all the cds |
| 14:17.20 | BlackJudas|TWL | jjazz_: not really, is a crapshoot when you talk sound. |
| 14:17.23 | antgel | session: do you know anything about debian? |
| 14:17.30 | jjazz_ | debian_newbie88: Download the net-inst ISO. It's small and will pull everything else it needs from the 'net |
| 14:17.31 | Guerin | session: none of them have it packaged for, as yet. You'd need to find an unofficial build. It was only released a few weeks ago. |
| 14:17.33 | debian_newbie88 | ummm... where are download free e-book about debain? |
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| 14:17.40 | Guerin | prophile: neither of those are a linux. |
| 14:17.45 | Gathond | debian_newbie88: installing over the internet is bound to be faster than downloading the CD's as the former will only download what you ask it to install/need to use what you chose |
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| 14:17.49 | streuner | !tell debian_newbie88 about ig |
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| 14:18.35 | prophile | my bad |
| 14:18.35 | BlackJudas|TWL | debian_newbie88: debian.org |
| 14:18.35 | debian_newbie88 | I live in thailand internet is very bad. |
| 14:18.35 | BlackJudas|TWL | debian_newbie88: You should install it via net anyway, it'll be faster than getting all 14 cd's. |
| 14:18.35 | session | antgel: yes? |
| 14:18.35 | streuner | debian_newbie88: if you want KDE/GNOME a slow i-net connection is a PITA |
| 14:18.37 | jjazz_ | BlackJudas|TWL: Hmm... I'm no audiophile. Is any wrapper relatively easy to set up? |
| 14:18.42 | debian_newbie88 | thanks |
| 14:18.49 | BlackJudas|TWL | jjazz_: what do you need it for? |
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| 14:19.07 | antgel | jjazz_: what choices does it give you? |
| 14:19.11 | session | antgel: stable instead of eyecandy ;P |
| 14:19.13 | deeler | i'm getting a little confused, can someone explain me the difference between : main, contrib, sid, etch, sarge ??? |
| 14:19.17 | streuner | debian_newbie88: you have access to university? |
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| 14:19.36 | BlackJudas|TWL | debian_newbie88: it sounds painful on dial up or slow connections, the end result is faster setup since it will only download and install what it needs exactly. |
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| 14:19.40 | antgel | deeler: www.debian.org/releases |
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| 14:20.02 | jjazz_ | BlackJudas|TWL: Mozilla setup wants to know what I use. I guess I can choose auto and let the chips fall where they may. The other choices are esddsp, artsdsp, and rplaydsp. |
| 14:20.08 | BlackJudas|TWL | deeler: that'd be like asking one of us to write a book. |
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| 14:20.15 | BlackJudas|TWL | auto |
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| 14:20.26 | BlackJudas|TWL | never install esd ;) |
| 14:20.26 | Guerin | !tell deeler about reference |
| 14:20.33 | antgel | Guerin: damn straight |
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| 14:20.50 | deeler | thanks ... i'll check the site |
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| 14:21.07 | jjazz_ | BlackJudas|TWL: I wouldn't sweat the choice so much except that it warns that Mozilla will hang if you choose wrong and a page wants to do sound. Blech. Thanks for the advice. |
| 14:21.10 | debian_newbie88 | I access dial up modem from my home. |
| 14:21.13 | darko__ | What is the name of that X shell app that you can use to move the monitor picture around; change height and width, etc? |
| 14:21.15 | debian_newbie88 | 56 kbps |
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| 14:21.50 | darko__ | xsomething |
| 14:22.05 | shags | that narrows it down |
| 14:22.14 | antgel | ok, back in a few, changing routers |
| 14:22.20 | jjazz_ | debian_newbie88: Once you get the net-inst ISO and install from it, you can get the other packages one at a time. So if your connection drops, you won't have to start from the beginning. |
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| 14:22.24 | debian_newbie88 | I install debian for learning webservers. |
| 14:22.27 | saskuash | dia ae gente! |
| 14:22.27 | darko__ | it's a very know app... |
| 14:22.28 | deeler | okay i'm updated on the sid eth sarge ... what about the main and contrib/testing in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:23.20 | debian_newbie88 | I see document in internet they say "debian better than other linux" |
| 14:23.36 | antgel | deeler: ask dpkg e.g /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 14:24.15 | Ronin | debian_newbie88: of course they do, its the truth after all :) |
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| 14:24.34 | debian_newbie88 | Wow great. |
| 14:24.35 | antgel | hmm, this dlink box smells minty |
| 14:24.42 | jjazz_ | debian_newbie88: If you don't want to wait for download, you can get Debian install CDs mailed to you for not much money. |
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| 14:24.52 | Matthew_ | antgel: IT's been brushing it's teeth! |
| 14:24.57 | Gathond | funny how the internet works ... can always find someone who claims something that fits what you want :) |
| 14:25.12 | debian_newbie88 | :) |
| 14:25.18 | Zetabyte | greetings all - I am trying to build a new 2.6.12 kernel but my laptop requires a custom DSDT table. does anyone know off-hand what changes I need to make to osl.c? or if changes are needed anymore? I looked at the file and parts of my old patch seem to already be in there. |
| 14:25.22 | antgel | Gathond: it's a reflection of society |
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| 14:26.38 | CosmoDad | does nvdia 3D acceleration work with xorg-etch? |
| 14:26.52 | CosmoDad | with the official packages I mean? |
| 14:27.18 | deeler | so basically when i modify "main or stable" to "testing" i move from sarge to etch ? |
| 14:27.29 | Guerin | deeler: right |
| 14:27.46 | nakeeee | CosmoDad, etch now moved to 6.8.x so if you install the binary nvidia driver it should work |
| 14:27.46 | deeler | what's the difference between main and stable ? |
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| 14:28.04 | Gathond | deeler: ehh, I think the main part has to stay |
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| 14:28.09 | Guerin | deeler: main is part of stable. |
| 14:28.18 | Guerin | deeler: it's also part of testing and unstable |
| 14:28.22 | nakeeee | main is the tree |
| 14:28.24 | Gathond | main is a part of the repository, not as such the stable branch |
| 14:28.33 | nakeeee | there are main contrib and non-free |
| 14:28.34 | CosmoDad | nakeeee: same with nvidia-source and home-made modules? |
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| 14:28.47 | jjazz_ | deeler: stable is a version or branch of Debian. main is a repository of packages |
| 14:28.48 | Guerin | deeler: different versions, obviously. Did you read the appropriate section of the Refernce yet? |
| 14:28.53 | Guerin | deeler: and if not, why not? |
| 14:28.57 | nakeeee | CosmoDad, nvidia source is not for the kernel module only? |
| 14:29.37 | CosmoDad | nakeeee: don't get what you mean. I usually build my own kernels and therefore build nvidia modules too |
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| 14:30.14 | nakeeee | CosmoDad, the nvidia binary driver need a drm module for the kernel and gl/dri module that goes under X |
| 14:30.21 | gniretar | anyone here ever created a snmp server or used cacti? |
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| 14:30.31 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 14:30.31 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:30.34 | deeler | Guerin, sorry no i didn't |
| 14:30.36 | Guerin | gniretar: ^ |
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| 14:30.45 | CosmoDad | nakeeee: well that's what the (binary) nvidia kernel source does |
| 14:30.50 | CosmoDad | nakeeee: thx |
| 14:30.51 | Guerin | deeler: all your answers are in there, and clearer than we can give them. |
| 14:31.08 | debian_newbie88 | thank a lot all bye bye.... :) |
| 14:31.37 | CosmoDad | another question: I just upgraded my etch system and now there's a user "ANONYMOUS" in /home/. What's that good for? |
| 14:32.00 | deeler | Guerin, already reading :) |
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| 14:32.17 | Guerin | CosmoDad: um, that's not in any debian I've ever used. |
| 14:32.29 | Guerin | CosmoDad: is it actually a user, or just a dir? |
| 14:32.51 | CosmoDad | Guerin: actually it's just a dir as I just checked |
| 14:32.58 | Guerin | ... |
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| 14:33.15 | CosmoDad | Guerin: I don't know how it was added, I know I didn't. Only realized it was there a minute after I finished upgrading |
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| 14:34.13 | CosmoDad | Guerin: hoping this is no intrusion attack, but I felt rather safe lately :) |
| 14:34.31 | Guerin | CosmoDad: due diligence, etc. |
| 14:34.41 | Guerin | CosmoDad: see where it came from, when, etc. |
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| 14:35.27 | CosmoDad | Guerin: how'd I do that? |
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| 14:35.42 | deeler | thanks for you info Guerin |
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| 14:36.01 | Guerin | CosmoDad: ls -l, look at bash history files ... your next steps will be based on the outcomes of those |
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| 14:36.18 | CosmoDad | Guerin: what does -l show, modification date? |
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| 14:36.25 | Guerin | CosmoDad: suck and see |
| 14:36.25 | Skaja | can some one tell me if S30setserial file is in the /etc/rcS.d directory |
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| 14:36.55 | Skaja | i cant find it in my debian verson |
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| 14:37.43 | saloxin | Skaja: i have S30etc-setserial in rcS.d |
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| 14:37.47 | CosmoDad | Guerin: ? man ls just says -l is "long listing format"... |
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| 14:37.55 | CosmoDad | Guerin: that's why I asked... |
| 14:38.01 | Skaja | what verson are you using |
| 14:38.31 | saloxin | Skaja: sarge- upgraded from woody. might come from potato |
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| 14:38.53 | Fleck | can i somehow check what ISO level is on CD and what data mode (mode 1 or mode 2) etc...? |
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| 14:43.19 | Skaja | where is the best place to get linux drivers |
| 14:43.30 | Rawplayer | ON TEH INTERNET |
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| 14:45.14 | petemc | Skaja: a lot of the more popular stuff is in the kernel, with the exception of graphics stuff generally |
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| 14:45.24 | IRC-mess-mate | hi, anybody had problems with mozilla ? |
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| 14:49.04 | CosmoDad | what does the second and fifth output of 'ls -l' mean, respectively? It's numbers, and I can't find an explanation of the long format in man ls |
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| 14:51.54 | CodeWarrior_ | hello folks, there's somebody who can help me about installation of Sarge on PowerPC (Mac G3 233Mhz OldWorld) ? |
| 14:51.56 | clem_yeats | number of links to the file and size of the file in bytes (all in the man) |
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| 14:52.29 | bob2 | CosmoDad: 2nd is the linke count |
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| 14:52.54 | bob2 | CosmoDad: 5 is size in bytes |
| 14:53.10 | CosmoDad | bob2: you mean number of links within the directory? |
| 14:53.24 | bob2 | CosmoDad: no, the number of links to that file |
| 14:53.45 | CosmoDad | bob2: ok. And size as in size of all files contained in that directory? |
| 14:53.49 | bob2 | no |
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| 14:53.57 | bob2 | size = number of byes a file takes up |
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| 14:54.02 | crazytaxzi | hye guys is there an active x lib out there? |
| 14:54.11 | bob2 | for a directory, it's FS-dependant |
| 14:54.21 | bob2 | on ext2 it always seems to be 4096 |
| 14:54.25 | bob2 | crazytaxzi: haha |
| 14:54.30 | bob2 | crazytaxzi: you mean the windows activex thing? |
| 14:54.51 | CosmoDad | bob2: and if the file is a directory, is the size of the directory entry? |
| 14:55.05 | CosmoDad | ok |
| 14:55.10 | bob2 | I think so |
| 14:55.21 | caphuso | bob2: even /usr/bin? |
| 14:55.22 | bob2 | I forget how filesystems really work, but that sounds plausible |
| 14:55.30 | CosmoDad | then, why do my 4 directories in /home all have different sizes? |
| 14:55.32 | caphuso | that should be a bit larger than 4096 |
| 14:55.33 | crazytaxzi | bob2: no i mean a linux lib that enables active x style controls |
| 14:55.52 | caphuso | CosmoDad: because there are different amount of things in |
| 14:55.59 | bob2 | crazytaxzi: define "style" |
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| 14:56.06 | bob2 | crazytaxzi: there's lots of libraries for embedding things |
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| 14:56.22 | bob2 | caphuso: for size or link count? |
| 14:56.26 | caphuso | bob2: size |
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| 14:56.37 | bob2 | caphuso: hm, right |
| 14:56.38 | caphuso | a link count of 4096 would be insane :) |
| 14:56.44 | bob2 | heh |
| 14:56.46 | ubuntu | anybody spanish |
| 14:56.50 | caphuso | !es |
| 14:56.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:56.52 | bob2 | wtf |
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| 14:56.58 | bob2 | that's just not even trying |
| 14:56.59 | ubuntu | hi |
| 14:57.03 | stew | ubuntu: /join #ubuntu-es |
| 14:57.04 | CosmoDad | caphuso: did I get this wrong or didn't bob2 just said for a directory the size is the size of the directory entry and *not* what is inside of it? |
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| 14:57.13 | caphuso | CosmoDad: yes |
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| 14:57.35 | caphuso | but the more things you have in, the more "subentries" do you need in the directory entry, and the bigger it gets |
| 14:57.39 | crazytaxzi | man i wish i could get guild wars to run on this os... lol |
| 14:57.42 | CosmoDad | caphuso: so ls -l /home should list the same size for all "directory files", if they live on the same type of partition? |
| 14:57.46 | CosmoDad | caphuso: right or wrong? |
| 14:57.52 | bob2 | wrong |
| 14:57.54 | caphuso | CosmoDad: wrong |
| 14:57.57 | bob2 | it depends how many things are inside it |
| 14:58.00 | bob2 | I was wrong before |
| 14:58.08 | CosmoDad | oh |
| 14:58.25 | crazytaxzi | is there a p2p file share prog for debian? |
| 14:58.45 | CosmoDad | I'm not getting it completely how the number is calculated, but I get your point. thx |
| 14:58.56 | caphuso | that's filesystem dependant |
| 14:59.04 | caphuso | blocksize etc. |
| 14:59.14 | CodeWarrior_ | nobody here runs sarge on oldworld powermacs ? |
| 14:59.22 | CosmoDad | ok |
| 14:59.24 | bob2 | on ext3 it seems to always be a multiple of the blocksize |
| 14:59.31 | bob2 | on reiser it's very different |
| 14:59.32 | stew | CodeWarrior_: #debianppc |
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| 14:59.51 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: I tried it, but that channel is very very quiet |
| 15:00.04 | CodeWarrior_ | thanks |
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| 15:00.50 | petemc | CodeWarrior_: i used to use debian on an old world, wasnt the handiest, i had to keep a copy of os8 on there, and used bootx, the old bootx |
| 15:00.53 | petemc | gah |
| 15:01.07 | paulswm | CosmoDad: The size of a directory depends on the number of slots, used or unused. If you put 1000 files in a directory, the directory will be bigger. If yu then remove 999 of those files, the directory size will not contract. |
| 15:01.28 | antgel | FUCKING DLINK! |
| 15:01.46 | bob2 | everything d-link I've ever bought has been shit |
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| 15:01.53 | bob2 | my switch doesn't work at all anymore |
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| 15:02.00 | bob2 | my AP needs to be rebooted every few days |
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| 15:02.16 | Lee__ | !smite dlink |
| 15:02.17 | bob2 | my dsl modem's dhcp server hangs randomly |
| 15:02.22 | asuffield | bob2: they made a line of reasonable via-rhine cards |
| 15:02.34 | petemc | my dlink router/ap ran linux and still managed to be shite |
| 15:02.37 | asuffield | other than that... yeah, everything I've seen or used has been shit |
| 15:02.37 | petemc | i sold it on to a client |
| 15:02.41 | antgel | bob2: grr. bought an adsl ethernet modem i.e. not router. fucking plug the crap in and there's no way to turn nat off. |
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| 15:03.03 | antgel | bob2: this box is meant to output the wan ip on the lan port, grr i'm so fucking angry |
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| 15:03.09 | bob2 | antgel: hah |
| 15:03.11 | asuffield | it is very very hard to find adsl modems that don't do nat |
| 15:03.16 | beardy | antgel: bad customer, you're not supposed to know what NAT is, shame on you |
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| 15:03.20 | bob2 | antgel: making mine bridge was surpisingly hard |
| 15:03.21 | beardy | antgel: ;) .. |
| 15:03.23 | bob2 | petemc: haha |
| 15:03.29 | petemc | connexant do cheap four port jobs |
| 15:03.39 | petemc | you can use if you get a /29 or some such |
| 15:03.44 | istasi | SyaZaLoveNabi, i think your irc client is broken ... |
| 15:03.49 | antgel | added to which i can't for the life of me find a similar model from another manufacturer |
| 15:03.58 | asuffield | bob2: pppoe or pppoa? |
| 15:04.02 | Lee__ | I had success with a wlan->wired bridge with a wrt54g |
| 15:04.12 | bob2 | asuffield: pppoe |
| 15:04.19 | asuffield | not interesting to me then |
| 15:04.27 | bob2 | it claims to do pppoa |
| 15:04.28 | asuffield | I'm still trying to find ones that work for pppoa |
| 15:04.33 | bob2 | but that doesn't appear to be documented at all |
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| 15:04.48 | asuffield | yeah, they claim to do pppoe and pppoa and bridging, but when you actually try them you find that it's (pppoe and bridging) or (pppoa) |
| 15:04.58 | bob2 | hah |
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| 15:05.05 | jjazz_ | On boot, my network doesn't come up. I have to do ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. I would like the network to come up automatically. I grepped dmesg for eth0 and didn't see anything about bringin the interface up (or failing to do so). Any tips would be appreciated. |
| 15:05.11 | antgel | i was using a conexant in ppp half bridge mode which settled down into relative stability. then i think it was fucking up our ipsec, so i thought, don't be tight, get a box that doesn't bodge it, and it's the bodge king of all fucking bodging. i'm so angry that they have more money than me |
| 15:05.12 | bob2 | a friend of mine bought a netgear one that just hung every five minutes if you put it in bridge modem |
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| 15:05.28 | asuffield | netgears hang all the time anyway |
| 15:05.52 | asuffield | bloody useless things have piss-all memory for their nat table and run like dogs |
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| 15:06.04 | antgel | tell you what, let's form a company and make adsl routers that don't hang and have features. no other fucker is doing it |
| 15:06.10 | bob2 | haha |
| 15:06.21 | bob2 | step 1: make dsl modes that run debian |
| 15:06.24 | bob2 | step 2: |
| 15:06.35 | bob2 | step 3: profit (from cornering the geek dsl market) |
| 15:06.36 | asuffield | find some sucker willing to pay £120 for a dsl modem |
| 15:06.45 | antgel | *grin* |
| 15:06.52 | bob2 | I'd pay ~100 quid if it stopped sucking so hard |
| 15:06.53 | antgel | asuffield: i would if it didn't nat ;) |
| 15:07.00 | bob2 | normal people won't, but geeks will |
| 15:07.07 | bob2 | jjazz_: nothing at all in dmesg? |
| 15:07.28 | bob2 | Whitman: in-built dsl? |
| 15:07.29 | antgel | the hardware can't be that hard. it's probably one chip these days. the box would be tiny if it didn't look shite |
| 15:07.42 | asuffield | the geek market is annoyingly fickle and difficult to sell to in volume, unfortunately |
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| 15:07.53 | jjazz_ | bob2: Some messages about ipv6 routers not being present and watchdog/probe message. |
| 15:07.54 | antgel | asuffield: i don't want one any more ;) |
| 15:08.02 | bob2 | we could bundle the modems with a free Pegasos |
| 15:08.03 | asuffield | antgel: the boxes are mostly power adapter, and heatsink for the built-in switch |
| 15:08.13 | bob2 | jjazz_: the watchdog ones sound interesting |
| 15:08.22 | Whitman | bob2: no, I've got a Linksys ADSL2MUE in bridge mode, then the Linksys WRT54G handles everything, both very stable |
| 15:08.29 | asuffield | you could build the damn thing on a gumstix, with an ethernet jack on the lower board and a dsl chip on the upper one |
| 15:08.33 | antgel | i swear i am considering breaking the box, that would be £40 well spent |
| 15:08.44 | bob2 | a friend of mine had a computer where the two PCI nics would only work if a bt878 card was in between them |
| 15:08.51 | jjazz_ | bob2: Here they are: http://pastebin.com/364597 |
| 15:08.58 | bob2 | otherwise they either stopped the machin booting, or gave watchdog errors every 5 seconds |
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| 15:09.16 | antgel | can't get much lower |
| 15:09.30 | Whitman | you could be lower, you could be the tech support guy |
| 15:09.49 | antgel | Whitman: then i wouldn't have to think |
| 15:10.11 | bob2 | there should be some sort of code |
| 15:10.21 | antgel | bob2: .uk? |
| 15:10.23 | bob2 | if you give it to a tech support person, they bump you to second level |
| 15:10.33 | asuffield | bob2: I've always had good luck with "Hi, give me tier 2" |
| 15:10.37 | bob2 | instead of telling you to reboot and reinstall windows on your router |
| 15:10.56 | jjazz_ | bob2: I usually just tell them to escalate me. They usually do it. |
| 15:10.57 | bob2 | jjazz_: interesting |
| 15:11.08 | antgel | tbh, my conexant router was much better than this crock of shit |
| 15:11.15 | bob2 | jjazz_: how's that module getting loaded? /etc/modules or hotplug? |
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| 15:11.43 | jjazz_ | bob2: I don't know. I didn't set this box up (it's a work box). |
| 15:11.44 | Whitman | My connexant router was great, except that it would have to reconnect every time I changed any port forwards |
| 15:11.49 | bob2 | jjazz_: ah |
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| 15:11.59 | petemc | i too liked my connexant, ran vxworks as i remember |
| 15:11.59 | bob2 | jjazz_: grep -r e100 /etc/? |
| 15:12.34 | antgel | funny how they have the worst reputation from reviews posted by idiots on the internet, but 3 out of 3 here like it |
| 15:12.53 | antgel | who wastes their time posting reviews on the internet? i have a url actually, 1 sec |
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| 15:14.02 | antgel | check out these reviews: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=10904945856&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=8894 |
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| 15:14.15 | jjazz_ | bob2: /etc/hotplug/blacklist:#replaced by e100 |
| 15:14.55 | bob2 | jjazz_: ls -ld /etc/rc2.d/S*networking? |
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| 15:15.13 | Lumination | hello... I think my zlib1g package is all sorts of f*cked up... somehow I have version 1.2.2-9 which is not in any of the distributions, unstable or otherwise... how the hell do I safely downgrade zlib? |
| 15:15.21 | jjazz_ | bob2: No such file or directory |
| 15:15.28 | dli | anything works better than powernowd? |
| 15:15.32 | CosmoDad | can I call make-kpkg with a certain compiler version (gcc 3.x instead of 4.0) by setting a variable instead of switching symlinks? |
| 15:15.34 | trodrigues | /leave |
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| 15:16.03 | bob2 | dli: cpufreqd works differently, you may prefer |
| 15:16.08 | bob2 | Lumination: with dpkg |
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| 15:16.28 | Lumination | bob2: just download it and do dpkg -i ? |
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| 15:16.44 | bob2 | Lumination: yes |
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| 15:17.00 | bob2 | jjazz_: hrm, what error do you get at the "configuring networks" stage of boot? |
| 15:17.09 | bob2 | jjazz_: or is /etc/network/interfaces just missing a "auto eth0" line? |
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| 15:17.38 | Roldyx | hi |
| 15:17.44 | takatumi | CosmoDad: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 15:17.58 | Matej | hello |
| 15:18.07 | jjazz_ | bob2: /etc/network/interfaces has 'auto eth0' right before the 'face eth0 inet dhcp' line. |
| 15:18.17 | Roldyx | i have a video card nvidia quadro 3400 fx |
| 15:18.18 | bob2 | jjazz_: hrmm |
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| 15:18.26 | bob2 | jjazz_: do you see an error during boot? |
| 15:18.28 | Roldyx | kernel 2.6.13.1 |
| 15:18.37 | jjazz_ | bob2: dmesg | grep configuring comes up empty |
| 15:18.39 | jepagodo | is there any debian-package which includes BOTH apache/apache2 and php? |
| 15:18.52 | jjazz_ | bob2: And I don't notice an error during boot, although the scroll goes by too fast to see. |
| 15:18.53 | Roldyx | but i dont use this |
| 15:18.59 | bob2 | jjazz_: it won't be in dmesg, you need to watch the boot or setup bootlogd |
| 15:19.02 | bob2 | jjazz_: ah |
| 15:19.08 | asuffield | or scroll back up when it's done and look |
| 15:19.10 | Lumination | bob2: thanks, worked like a charm :D |
| 15:19.20 | bob2 | jepagodo: php4 for apache1, libapache2-mod-php4 for apache2 |
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| 15:19.45 | CosmoDad | takatumi: that's it, thanks |
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| 15:20.03 | jepagodo | bob2: do they include both apache and php? |
| 15:20.13 | tarzeau | my dpkg hangs at "Setting up rwhod (0.17-8) ..." |
| 15:20.15 | bob2 | jepagodo: no |
| 15:20.20 | jepagodo | bob2: okay |
| 15:20.24 | bob2 | jepagodo: one includes apache, one includes the php module for apache |
| 15:20.36 | jjazz_ | bob2: bootlogd, eh? ok. I'll set it up. I don't want to reboot now (I'm running some processes I don't want to interrupt). Thanks for the help. |
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| 15:20.53 | tarzeau | !seen streuner |
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| 15:20.59 | tarzeau | !seen greycat |
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| 15:20.59 | jepagodo | bob2: that doesn't work for me, i've configured both apache2.conf and php.ini, but i still wants to download index.php |
| 15:21.02 | Matej | i have a little trouble with 2 eth cards, they are both realtek 8139 chipsets, so it works usually with 8139too module. The trouble is that recently i removed one of the cards (eth1) and now i have reinserted it into the pc. the system identified correctly the card and let me configure it, but i get only errors on the card and it doesn't work. have i to specify somewhere (modutils/) that both of the cards are on the same module? |
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| 15:21.40 | bob2 | jjazz_: np, sorry I don't have a simple.straight answer |
| 15:21.46 | tarzeau | has someone deployed firefox or thunderbird with preconfigured settings? |
| 15:21.49 | bob2 | jepagodo: then you didn't configure it correctly |
| 15:22.00 | bob2 | jepagodo: is the php module being loaded at all? |
| 15:22.02 | jepagodo | bob2: i have checked it twice |
| 15:22.12 | tarzeau | useradd: unable to lock password file |
| 15:22.13 | jepagodo | bob2: how do i see if it is? |
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| 15:22.15 | jjazz_ | bob2: No worries. At least this way I learn something new about the box. I've never used bootlogd before. |
| 15:22.18 | tarzeau | adduser: `/usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/spool/rwho -g nogroup -s /bin/false -u 105 rwhod' returned error code 1. Aborting. |
| 15:22.21 | michael2 | Is it possible to view dates and time for commands logged in .bash_history file? |
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| 15:22.30 | tarzeau | what could cause this to fail? |
| 15:22.38 | bob2 | jepagodo: /var/log/apache2/error.log |
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| 15:23.14 | kapil | michael2: not without serious bash history hacking |
| 15:23.53 | jjazz_ | tarzeau: Moz and Thunderbird keep their settings in config files in home directories. It shouldn't be difficult to copy those config files-- I've done it when I restored systems from backup. |
| 15:24.05 | jepagodo | bob2: the error-log says nothing about php at all |
| 15:24.22 | Lumination | another q: I started off using unstable distro (naively thinking that it was stable, and the word 'unstable' was bullshit), and when I found out it was not stable, I downgraded what I had to to get everything working... is there a program that will tell me what can be DOWNgraded? |
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| 15:24.28 | bob2 | jepagodo: then purge libapache2-mod-php4 and all the apache2 packages and start over |
| 15:24.31 | tarzeau | jjazz_: the problem is it generates default.a78cn294uhf the something after the .default |
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| 15:24.46 | bob2 | Lumination: apt-cache policy and some scripting could |
| 15:24.53 | bob2 | Lumination: or maybe creative use of aptitude |
| 15:24.59 | Lumination | bob2: okay, I'll look into it :) thanks |
| 15:25.01 | bob2 | Lumination: downgrading entirely from sid probably will not work, tho |
| 15:25.08 | CosmoDad | takatumi: what's the difference between CC and HOSTCC? |
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| 15:25.27 | jepagodo | bob2: I've already done that for like five times |
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| 15:26.03 | bob2 | jepagodo: do it one more time, and do not touch any of the config files at all |
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| 15:26.23 | Lumination | bob2: well everything is working fine using etch now, except for compilations, so I guess I just have to downgrade some libraries or something... I dunno... but maybe I can compare some stuff between 'available' packages, and currently installed packages... I think I'll give it a shot |
| 15:26.28 | jepagodo | bob2: the config-files doesn't change when i remove and reinstall the packages |
| 15:26.35 | jjazz_ | tarzeau: There's a config file that tells it where to look for that stuff. It's called profiles.ini and there is one for each app. |
| 15:26.45 | bob2 | jepagodo: I didn't say "remove", I said "purge" |
| 15:26.53 | bob2 | jepagodo: which gets rid of the config files entirely |
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| 15:26.57 | jepagodo | oh |
| 15:26.59 | tarzeau | jjazz_: ah ok, so i keep that profiles.ini |
| 15:27.00 | jepagodo | okay, i'll try |
| 15:27.10 | tarzeau | jjazz_: i so hate it |
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| 15:27.59 | CVirus | if the tracker of a certain torrent is down .. can i continue seeding it ? |
| 15:28.00 | jjazz_ | tarzeau: If you just want to copy the setup, do the regular install, then replace ~/.mozilla and ~/.mozilla-thunderbird with your saved versions. All the settings are in those directories. |
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| 15:28.12 | jepagodo | bob2: now i've done that |
| 15:28.13 | jjazz_ | tarzeau: Or, just move everybody to mutt and lynx. |
| 15:28.15 | ski | i'm getting a relocation error when running a program, "symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference" .. could this be because i just installed libc 2.3.5-6 (before was 2.3.2 or something) ? |
| 15:28.34 | tarzeau | jjazz_: thing is i have mozilla, firefox, thunderbird of sarge, and all of them again , the latest versions |
| 15:28.38 | jjazz_ | CVirus: yes. No new connex will be made, but people already connected will continue to dload. |
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| 15:28.40 | jepagodo | bob2: there's no new apache2.conf |
| 15:28.44 | tarzeau | jjazz_: i can't move 3000 people to mutt and lynx |
| 15:28.48 | ski | (s/libc/libc6/) |
| 15:29.00 | CVirus | jjazz: thanks |
| 15:29.06 | ircdevil | are we aware of the onjoin spam bot ? (seems to be a new flavor) |
| 15:29.07 | stumbles | hi, i'm building a kernel with fakeroot and get permission errors when it gets to the modules_image part of the show. Can i built these without being root? |
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| 15:29.17 | CVirus | jjazz: no workround for the new connections thingy ? |
| 15:29.20 | bob2 | jepagodo: you didn't delete it, did you? |
| 15:29.27 | jjazz_ | tarzeau: Why not? Tell them they're Microsoft apps. ;) |
| 15:29.27 | jepagodo | yes i did |
| 15:29.33 | bob2 | stumbles: you'd need to paste the error to #flood |
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| 15:29.43 | bob2 | ski: just installed? as in dist-upgrade in sid? |
| 15:29.45 | ircdevil | [SyaZaLoveNabiL(n=dkskdmsj@219.93.83.122)] http://www.geocities.com/malaybitchvids/malaybitch.zip <--- Download Now Free For Preview!! We Have Malay Bitch On Action!! |
| 15:29.46 | Ronin | ircdevil: which one? theres tons of them lately |
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| 15:29.52 | CVirus | jjazz_: sorry for the stupid question .. sorry again |
| 15:29.53 | tarzeau | jjazz_: you mean label them "MS Mutt" and "MS Lynx" in the menu? |
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| 15:29.59 | ircdevil | Ronin: the newly flaverod one |
| 15:30.05 | jepagodo | bob2: i deleted it |
| 15:30.08 | ski | bob2 : as in aptitude upgrade |
| 15:30.21 | ski | (bob2 : sarge) |
| 15:30.25 | bob2 | jepagodo: so, lesson 1) do not ever ever delete files unless you know what you're doing |
| 15:30.34 | bob2 | jepagodo: this also shows that you didn't really purge the package |
| 15:30.34 | jepagodo | bob2: you told me to get rid of them? |
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| 15:30.39 | jjazz_ | tarzeau: exactly. Tell them it's a sneak peak at Longhorn. |
| 15:30.41 | ircdevil | Ronin: the late ones are dealt with by the new freenode server package iirc |
| 15:30.41 | jepagodo | how do i purge it? |
| 15:30.41 | bob2 | jepagodo: no, I told you to purge the package |
| 15:30.46 | bob2 | jepagodo: sudo apt-get remove --purge blah |
| 15:30.50 | bob2 | jepagodo: or sudo dpkg --purge blah |
| 15:30.52 | Ronin | ircdevil: check the topic |
| 15:31.26 | tarzeau | jjazz_: i'm sure when i packaged 1.0.6 of thunderbird/firefox, the betas will be released as finals (1.5) |
| 15:31.30 | ircdevil | Ronin: well, this bot is registered! |
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| 15:31.43 | bob2 | stumbles: give yourself write permissions to those files, or run modules_image as root |
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| 15:31.46 | Ronin | heh ircdevil theyre getting smarter |
| 15:31.47 | bob2 | the latter is simplest |
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| 15:32.34 | ircdevil | Ronin: no, i dont believe this bot comes from the same souce - first of all, it is not an add for a porn site - its a virus. secondly it is registered |
| 15:32.35 | stumbles | bob2: can i instruct it to build the modules elsewhere - like in my home dir? |
| 15:32.40 | charolastra | hi people |
| 15:32.40 | turing | hey all, anyone in here using qmail or tinydns? |
| 15:32.59 | bob2 | stumbles: yes, but I don't know how to do it simply |
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| 15:33.01 | Active2 | hi, I managed to get my hands of a Power G4, now I want to install debian on it and the sarge image boots perfect but my only input is usb and that's disabled at time of booting |
| 15:33.05 | bob2 | turing: #qmail, #djdns |
| 15:33.08 | Active2 | Does anyone now how to solve that ? |
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| 15:33.10 | bob2 | turing: neither are in Debian |
| 15:33.16 | turing | bob2: they are |
| 15:33.19 | bob2 | Active2: try #debianppc |
| 15:33.23 | bob2 | turing: no, they are not |
| 15:33.23 | turing | there are installer packages for both |
| 15:33.24 | Active2 | bob2: k |
| 15:33.31 | turing | they are not provided as binaries |
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| 15:33.32 | bob2 | turing: in contrib, which is not part of Debian itself |
| 15:33.33 | charolastra | did i miss anything or what is the reason why ppl over at #blender.de are hostile against sid? |
| 15:33.41 | bob2 | turing: indeed, because they are non-free |
| 15:33.44 | turing | ok, in any case |
| 15:33.52 | turing | is anyone here running these on debian? |
| 15:33.57 | tarzeau | charolastra: did you check bugs.debian.org/blender ? |
| 15:34.11 | tarzeau | !poll |
| 15:34.11 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 15:34.21 | ircdevil | somebody should clean up the topic with respect to the spambots |
| 15:34.22 | jepagodo | bob2: i've purged both apache2 and libapache2-mod-php, and i installed them again, but there's no config-file |
| 15:34.26 | charolastra | tarzeau: what does blender have to do with it? |
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| 15:34.45 | tarzeau | charolastra: maybe the blender in sid has something horribly broken? i have no idea. |
| 15:34.52 | Lumination | what package is "library qt-mt" ? |
| 15:34.53 | stumbles | thanks bob2 |
| 15:34.57 | tarzeau | charolastra: i have found all .de channels generally to be hostile against anything |
| 15:35.02 | tarzeau | charolastra: so try one withtout .de ? |
| 15:35.22 | charolastra | tarzeau: i didn't say a word about blender |
| 15:35.26 | turing | ok, I'll rephrase: does anyone know how to create missing 'control' and 'ok' files for svscan to run tinydns properly? svscan complains the files to not exist but tinydns-conf does not create them |
| 15:35.37 | ski | (bob2 : any advide ?) |
| 15:35.38 | tarzeau | charolastra: ok what is #blender.de about? |
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| 15:35.54 | ski | (s/advide/advice/) |
| 15:35.57 | bob2 | jepagodo: all the apache2 packages |
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| 15:36.12 | charolastra | i asked a question and got asked "sarge?" which i said "no, sid" to |
| 15:36.14 | bob2 | Lumination: libqt3-mt*, where * varies depending on your distro |
| 15:36.19 | jepagodo | bob2: purge all apache-packages? |
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| 15:36.23 | tarzeau | charolastra: and then? |
| 15:36.25 | bob2 | jepagodo: all apache2 ones, yes |
| 15:36.31 | turing | anyone? |
| 15:36.32 | charolastra | after that i got comments like "that's your fault" or "welcome to sid" |
| 15:36.47 | tarzeau | charolastra: i don't see what's wrong with that |
| 15:36.47 | charolastra | so is sid horrible broken or soething? |
| 15:36.52 | bob2 | turing: try #qmail and #tinydns, perhaps |
| 15:36.55 | Lumination | bob2: okay thanks |
| 15:36.57 | tarzeau | charolastra: that was not hostile |
| 15:37.02 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 15:37.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 15:37.05 | turing | bob2: in those channels, no one is there |
| 15:37.07 | tarzeau | charolastra: mind reading that? |
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| 15:37.23 | bob2 | turing: perhaps ask on their mailing lists, then |
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| 15:37.26 | mlalkaka | In debian linux, why do you have to manually mount and unmount cd drives, usb drives/flash-disks, etc? what is the reason for not letting the OS mount these type of devices (devices that have removable media) automatically, like in other distros and M$ windows? |
| 15:37.32 | bob2 | charolastra: sid is normally fine, but it's really not for end-users |
| 15:37.40 | bob2 | mlalkaka: wtf |
| 15:37.46 | bob2 | mlalkaka: it automounts it if you tell it to |
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| 15:38.13 | charolastra | well, i'm using sid for 2 years now so i know whats up |
| 15:38.13 | mlalkaka | bob2, automount doesn't mount cd's does it? |
| 15:38.13 | jepagodo | bob2: when im purging apache2-common it says like "warning: ignoring the request to delete apache2-common which hasn't been installed" |
| 15:38.27 | charolastra | and till lately it was perfectly fine to ask questions about it |
| 15:38.48 | bob2 | mlalkaka: sure it does, if you tell it to |
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| 15:38.55 | bob2 | mlalkaka: and by tell it to, I mean "install gnome" |
| 15:38.59 | bob2 | jepagodo: ok |
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| 15:39.23 | mlalkaka | bob2, oh. i meant support even at the console. |
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| 15:39.55 | bob2 | mlalkaka: ... |
| 15:39.59 | bob2 | mlalkaka: if you want that, do it |
| 15:39.59 | lestest | hi there anybody can help me with synce? |
| 15:40.23 | charolastra | tarzeau: btw. #blender.de is just a channel for german blender users |
| 15:40.34 | mlalkaka | bob2, how? |
| 15:40.46 | bob2 | mlalkaka: by writing a gnome-volume-manager replacement |
| 15:40.50 | bob2 | mlalkaka: or nstalling automount |
| 15:40.57 | bob2 | mlalkaka: or any of the 5 other solutions I can think of |
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| 15:41.10 | bob2 | mlalkaka: whiching that Debian doesn't do something you want is pointless; if you want it, do it |
| 15:41.42 | mlalkaka | bob2, well i came here to ask so i could find out if debian does do it. so thank you. automount is the solution? |
| 15:41.54 | bob2 | mlalkaka: automount is a terrible solution |
| 15:42.02 | bob2 | the best solution is gnome-volume-manager |
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| 15:42.26 | mlalkaka | bob2, but that will only work when running gnome and using gnome to access the drives won't it? |
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| 15:42.45 | bob2 | mlalkaka: no, of course not |
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| 15:42.54 | bob2 | it runs in the background and mounts things when hal notices them |
| 15:42.59 | myren | anyone have suggestions for how i can rip a realplayer stream? |
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| 15:43.10 | myren | itsa a video stream |
| 15:43.11 | pluffsy | hello |
| 15:43.17 | bob2 | mplayer + streamdump |
| 15:43.26 | bob2 | pluffsy: ubuntu questions are inapproriate here, sorry |
| 15:43.31 | mlalkaka | bob2, but does it run even if X is not running? if i've booted to a console? |
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| 15:43.47 | bob2 | mlalkaka: why don't you try it? |
| 15:43.53 | bob2 | mlalkaka: if not, modify it so it does |
| 15:44.00 | myren | arg, i just switched from marillat with his mplayer packages to the rarewares packages |
| 15:44.08 | myren | which lacketh the mplayer |
| 15:44.33 | bob2 | I think the number of people who want things automounted but don't use X is small |
| 15:44.43 | bob2 | in fact, I know it's small, since someone hasn't written code for it yet |
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| 15:45.06 | pluffsy | bob2: I was just wondering if it's complicated to install the synaptic package manager in debian, because I'm getting tired of nothing working in ubuntu (on my hardware). I need to try something else. |
| 15:45.22 | bob2 | pluffsy: it's simple, sudo apt-get install synaptic |
| 15:45.22 | Lumination | okay I installed libqt3c102 and libqt3c102-mt and I'm still getting from configure: "error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not found" |
| 15:45.30 | pluffsy | bob2: great. |
| 15:45.38 | bob2 | Lumination: then say that |
| 15:45.41 | charolastra | pluffsy: installing a different package manager will not fix problems with yoru hardware |
| 15:45.50 | bob2 | Lumination: when compiling things, you need the headers; sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev |
| 15:45.52 | myren | um, i hate to question this, but a lack of code does not indicate small demand. case in point, Xgl |
| 15:46.10 | bob2 | Xgl exists, tho |
| 15:46.19 | pluffsy | charolastra: but switching dist when the current one doesn't work well on my hardware seems like something worth trying, right? |
| 15:46.24 | mlalkaka | bob2, oh. but gnome-volume-manager in gnome doesn't seem to be working for me right now. for example, if i plug in a usb flash drive, the devices /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 are created, but they are not mounted and i see nothing on my desktop. is there some more configuration to do? |
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| 15:46.43 | bob2 | mlalkaka: yes, removable devices i nthe gnome preferences |
| 15:46.47 | bob2 | blahblahblah, bye |
| 15:46.56 | Lumination | bob2: thanks... sometimes it sucks being a binary guy, not knowing what the hell you're doing with compilation... lol |
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| 15:47.32 | charolastra | pluffsy: i would recommend to boot one of the latest live CDs and see what stuff it dedects |
| 15:48.02 | charolastra | alternativly you can search the net for your hardware specific linux issues |
| 15:48.07 | lestest | quit |
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| 15:48.22 | pluffsy | charolastra: the thing is the ubuntu livecd worked. didn't try everything, but lots of things that's broken on install worked (like nautilus) |
| 15:48.35 | charolastra | the point is that you have to get you kernel setup right |
| 15:48.36 | charolastra | oh |
| 15:48.55 | pluffsy | :/ |
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| 15:49.13 | mlalkaka | bob2, everything is enabled in removable devices in the gnome preferences. still nothing |
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| 15:49.26 | tgwj | anyone know of gnome 2.12 packaging efforts ? |
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| 15:50.20 | stew | tgwj: http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.12-unstable-2005-09-13-19-26 |
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| 15:50.40 | charolastra | pluffsy: if you're problems are software related i suggest going to a ubuntu channel because AFAIK ubuntu has slightly different software than dbian |
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| 15:51.28 | sss_lr | when i do apt-get install postgresql it says "You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 15:51.28 | sss_lr | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:51.28 | sss_lr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.28 | sss_lr | " |
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| 15:51.48 | tgwj | stew, thx |
| 15:51.54 | pluffsy | charolastra: yeah, sorry, didn't mean to ask ubuntu questions here. just wondered about the synapatic thing which bob2 answered. but are ubuntu and debian different enough that there is a point in trying debian on my hardware? |
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| 15:52.40 | charolastra | pluffsy: no, as it will do an even worse job than ubuntu in dedecting your hardware |
| 15:52.48 | nvz | pluffsy: they both run on linux which is the part that supports the hardware |
| 15:52.57 | nvz | charolastra: you are moron #26 |
| 15:53.20 | charolastra | oh, nice, now i get insulted |
| 15:53.20 | nvz | it contains discover, hotplug, and linux just the same |
| 15:54.28 | pluffsy | nvz: hmm... I mean it finds all my hardware and so, it just does weird things, like nautilus won't start and dhcp doesn't work (setting up static ip works though). after a standard install. think that my problems are kernel related still? |
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| 15:55.16 | nvz | pluffsy: your problems are not kernel related, but the hardware support which will be relatively the same in debian are kernel related |
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| 15:55.47 | beardy | pluffsy: configure things |
| 15:56.03 | pluffsy | beardy: thanks for the tip :) |
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| 15:57.28 | beardy | pluffsy: :) I've never had any box act exactly as I want right after installation, of any os. |
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| 16:02.21 | Lumination | downgrade success... sweet |
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| 16:05.41 | pluffsy | beardy: but I've never had problems with no nautilus and no dhcp. I didn't even know a dhcp client could not function. |
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| 16:09.28 | mess-mate | anybody there ? |
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| 16:10.47 | streuner | nah, only idlers ;-) |
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| 16:11.05 | streuner | !ask |
| 16:11.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:11.31 | mess-mate | i have a problem with bootsplash |
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| 16:12.12 | mess-mate | anyone has setup bootsplash ? |
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| 16:12.26 | jharrisonwk | mess-mate: bootsplash sucks |
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| 16:13.23 | mess-mate | well on one of my machines it runs beautifull..but can't get it running on an other with a S3 graphic card. |
| 16:13.35 | ttick | I'm trying to get an 180 iRiver mounted via USB on my box. The kernel reports: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 9. But I can't figure out how to turn that into a mount point. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:14.05 | streuner | ttick: try /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 16:14.10 | Gnea | ttick: are you running udev? |
| 16:14.19 | ski | bob2 : i guess it's due to some incomatibility between versions of libc6 .. |
| 16:14.24 | ttick | Gnea: how do I know if I'm running udev? |
| 16:14.34 | streuner | ttick: dpkg -l udev |
| 16:14.36 | Gnea | ttick: ps axf | grep udev |
| 16:14.56 | ttick | Gnea: nope |
| 16:15.05 | Gnea | ttick: sarge? |
| 16:15.12 | ttick | Gnea: etch |
| 16:15.21 | Gnea | ttick: kernel version? |
| 16:15.33 | ttick | Gnea: 2.6.11 |
| 16:15.53 | Gnea | ttick: stock or compiled? |
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| 16:16.10 | ttick | Gnea: compiled, with nvidea stuff. |
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| 16:16.51 | Gnea | ttick: did you modularize things such as scsi support, the usb block device and usb storage options? |
| 16:17.06 | jepagodo- | anyone who knows how to install php in roxen webserver? |
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| 16:17.18 | ttick | Gnea: hmm, not sure, I'll check |
| 16:17.22 | Zenethian | Aaaaargh. Why, oh why does debian have to @#$@#$ up jed? I <3 jed, but debian's jed doesn't <3 me. Why won't it read my .jedrc? Anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:17.23 | Gnea | jepagodo-: it's documented on their website |
| 16:17.25 | Cronic | How can I use dpkg to reconfigure, or reinstall X? |
| 16:17.28 | jepagodo- | Gnea: okay |
| 16:17.30 | Gnea | ttick: k |
| 16:17.49 | Gnea | Zenethian: check /etc/jedrc? |
| 16:17.54 | Zenethian | Cronic: man dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 16:18.00 | Cronic | thanks |
| 16:18.14 | Zenethian | Gnea: no such file. |
| 16:18.22 | Lumination | is anyone familiar with the origin keyword when apt-pinning? |
| 16:18.24 | Cronic | Which package is it that I need to reinstall to setup X properly Zenethian? |
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| 16:19.16 | Pita | How do I use apt-get to obtain unstable packages? |
| 16:19.17 | ttick | Gnea: yes, as modules |
| 16:19.22 | Zenethian | Cronic: several. what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:19.27 | Cronic | ubuntu |
| 16:19.35 | Zenethian | Cronic: go ask in #ubuntu then? |
| 16:19.39 | Cronic | It's not technically debian, but it's mostly the same. |
| 16:19.46 | cheal | Pita: on which release& |
| 16:19.56 | Lumination | I need to find the origin string of a certain apt repository so I can set its priority higher than official repositories... anybody know how to do this? |
| 16:19.58 | Zenethian | Well, the packages are completely different, so you'll need to ask ubuntu guys. |
| 16:20.10 | cheal | Cronic: this is a Debian support channel |
| 16:20.18 | Cronic | Thanks. I know that cheal. |
| 16:20.23 | Gnea | ttick: ok, udev requires 2.6.12 or newer in etch & sid the advantage is that when you plug something like the iriver in, it will automatically generate the proper /dev files for you and announce them in syslog |
| 16:20.24 | mess-mate | I've forgot where i setted my default webbrowser :( anyone know where it's normally set ? |
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| 16:20.54 | cheal | Cronic: well, ubuntu is not debian then |
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| 16:21.29 | Zenethian | It'd be like going to a suse channel to get redhat help, just because they both use rpms. :) |
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| 16:21.56 | thingfish | exactly |
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| 16:22.53 | RichiH | right |
| 16:23.17 | snet | leave |
| 16:23.24 | snet | #leave |
| 16:23.31 | GhostXz | no thanks? |
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| 16:23.41 | Zenethian | heh |
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| 16:24.19 | Zenethian | I wonder if the spammers realize that we're all programmers, and thus never ever click advertisements on IRC. |
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| 16:24.28 | ttick | Gnea: okay, thanks. Why do I always seem to be one kernel version away from whatever I want to do? |
| 16:24.31 | GhostXz | hahahah |
| 16:24.35 | Zenethian | programmers/administrators/decently net-savvy people |
| 16:24.36 | GhostXz | i havent seen any spam yet |
| 16:24.43 | Zenethian | GhostXz: I got 4 onjoin. |
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| 16:24.53 | Lumination | If apt-cache shows a package version as 4:3.4.1-1 do you put the "4:" in the version pinning? |
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| 16:25.02 | GhostXz | umm |
| 16:25.06 | GhostXz | not me :\ |
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| 16:25.13 | Zenethian | They were all klined just a minute ago, too. :) |
| 16:25.13 | GhostXz | i bet he is |
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| 16:25.15 | GhostXz | a spam bot |
| 16:25.16 | jethro | Zenethian: there also is a lot of clueless users in support channels. these are perfect victims. |
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| 16:25.21 | GhostXz | hm |
| 16:25.23 | GhostXz | meh |
| 16:25.39 | GhostXz | SP4M meee!! |
| 16:25.40 | GhostXz | lol |
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| 16:25.51 | GhostXz | why dont i get spam >:O |
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| 16:26.21 | Zenethian | Hrm, I need to figure out what mode I need to set to only allow registered nicknames to msg me. |
| 16:26.24 | Zenethian | heh |
| 16:26.42 | stew | Zenethian: /topic |
| 16:26.45 | cheal | Lumination: if you have to mention the version, you'll have to mention "4:" |
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| 16:27.45 | paulswm | jethro: C'mon, clueless users in support channels? I'm shocked and wonder where you got that idea. :P |
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| 16:30.20 | jethro | paulswm: heh |
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| 16:32.59 | ke6isf | There was apparently an issue with security found on 09Sep with Firefox (more arbitrary code execution issues). Does mozilla-firefox-1.0.4-2sarge3 reflect changes for this? |
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| 16:33.13 | cheal | ke6isf: no |
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| 16:33.16 | Anthro | Can anyone explain why exim4's commandline options are so cryptic? Is it some kind of sendmail compatibility, or is it just thoughtless? |
| 16:33.33 | ke6isf | cheal: Is this even an issue for Sarge? |
| 16:34.06 | Zugschlus | Anthro: they are not cryptic. Actually they're thought well, while keeping some resemblance to sendmail |
| 16:34.20 | Lumination | Zugschlus: sendmail is crytpic |
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| 16:34.24 | Lumination | cryptic even |
| 16:34.25 | cheal | ke6isf: you could have figured that out by checking the changelog. |
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| 16:34.33 | cheal | ke6isf: most likely |
| 16:35.08 | Anthro | Zugschlus: So you're telling me the the reason the options are cryptic is for sendmail compatibility. |
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| 16:35.27 | Zugschlus | Anthro: again, I don't think they're cryptic |
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| 16:35.36 | cheal | ke6isf: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327452 |
| 16:35.46 | Zugschlus | Anthro: what exactly is the problem |
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| 16:35.47 | Anthro | Zugschlus: And in what universe is -bpc clear? |
| 16:36.11 | Anthro | Zugschlus: The problem is that I have to check the man page every time I want to see how exim4 is doing. |
| 16:36.18 | Zugschlus | Anthro: -bp is "print queue", and "c" is count |
| 16:36.21 | Zugschlus | that is even mnemonic! |
| 16:36.34 | Anthro | Zugschlus: -bp is mnemonic for what, again? |
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| 16:36.59 | Zugschlus | Anthro: all -b options print something telling about the state of exm. |
| 16:37.03 | Zugschlus | and -bp is sendmail compatible |
| 16:37.14 | alejo | could someone tell me why this rep. is giving errors. according to their website it is a valid one: |
| 16:37.19 | ttick | oh, this is new (to me) anyone using this: sourcerer-kernel-builder |
| 16:37.20 | Anthro | Zugschlus: So you're telling me that there is a method to the madness. It's still cryptic. |
| 16:37.29 | alejo | http://www.morphix.org debian/./ |
| 16:37.38 | Zugschlus | Anthro: upstream is eagerly awaiting your change proposals |
| 16:37.46 | alejo | should i append sarge at the end of the line? |
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| 16:38.26 | mosherr2 | resolv.conf keeps changing. how do I stop it? (besides chmod u-x) |
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| 16:38.36 | Anthro | Zugschlus: Hm. I'd be inclined to add long-form options, such as making --print-queue-count equivalent to -bpc. |
| 16:38.36 | pureone | mosherr2 dont use dhcp |
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| 16:38.43 | selim | hi, can someone help me with apache2 on debian? |
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| 16:38.56 | antgel | !tell selim about someone |
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| 16:39.05 | Anthro | !tell selim about ask |
| 16:39.06 | mosherr2 | pureone I'm not using dhcp. I set up a static IP during the install |
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| 16:39.26 | selim | I tried to change from apache 1.3.x to apache2 but now I have the error: [Thu Sep 15 16:11:35 2005] [error] [client 84.166.220.22] File does not exist: /htdocs |
| 16:39.41 | selim | but can't find any entry of /htdocs in my conf files |
| 16:39.51 | pureone | thats odd... resolv.conf would only change for me when i used dhcp, when i set the interface in /etc/network/interfaces it stopped changin my name servers |
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| 16:39.59 | Anthro | selim: Where did you find the error? |
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| 16:40.08 | selim | @Anthro error log |
| 16:40.19 | Anthro | selim: Which error log? |
| 16:40.20 | selim | @Anthro /var/log/apache2 |
| 16:40.28 | Zugschlus | selim: did you grep recursively through /etc/apache2? |
| 16:40.53 | selim | @Zugschlus yes with fgrep -ir htdocs * |
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| 16:42.19 | antgel | selim: what are you trying to do when the error occurs? |
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| 16:42.35 | selim | @antgel just access the ip |
| 16:42.46 | Anthro | selim: Hrm. Are you sure that isn't someone requesting the path /htdocs for some reason? |
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| 16:43.12 | selim | @Anthro yes it's coming from the apache2 itself |
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| 16:43.31 | fken | hello |
| 16:44.00 | Anthro | selim: Does it occur every time you start the server, or every time you request a page, or what? |
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| 16:44.32 | selim | @Anthro every time I request a page on default (ip address) |
| 16:44.50 | Anthro | selim: What is in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled? |
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| 16:45.32 | nvz | sorcre: stop doing that, do not put @ in front of things you say |
| 16:45.32 | selim | @Anthro I've changed nothing so it's only "default" |
| 16:45.37 | nvz | selim: ^^ |
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| 16:46.50 | eeyore- | it's kinda cute (the @ thing) |
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| 16:47.14 | Anthro | selim: Give me the first three lines of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default (just three). |
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| 16:47.21 | nvz | its kinda fucking stupid |
| 16:47.38 | Anthro | nvz: is it giving ravenbird fits? |
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| 16:47.48 | nvz | not yet |
| 16:47.52 | selim | Anthro: |
| 16:47.54 | selim | NameVirtualHost * |
| 16:47.55 | selim | <VirtualHost *> |
| 16:47.57 | selim | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.15 | Anthro | selim: Okay. What is DocumentRoot set to? It should be the next line, I think. |
| 16:48.28 | selim | anthro: DocumentRoot /var/www/ |
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| 16:49.02 | Anthro | selim: Does /var/www exist? |
| 16:49.11 | selim | anthro: yes |
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| 16:49.40 | Anthro | selim: What is ServerName set to? You probably have to grep /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 16:49.46 | darkness1 | Anyone, Are there any auditing programs for linux/deb that are easy to use.If not any security advice for using sshd? |
| 16:49.56 | Anthro | selim: Also ServerRoot |
| 16:50.02 | eeyore- | darkness1: what kind of auditing? |
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| 16:50.12 | antgel | selim: are you using https:// ? |
| 16:50.14 | Laibsch | My two Debian testing systems do not print spaces, ":" or "/" and maybe other charcters. Anybody have an idea where to look for the problem? |
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| 16:50.16 | eeyore- | darkness1: if you already have a shell for "anyone" to access, you're already screwed |
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| 16:50.35 | selim | antgel: no |
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| 16:50.41 | Anthro | Laibsch: Is this on the console or under X? |
| 16:50.48 | fken | is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg able to let me change the refresh rate of my screen ? |
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| 16:51.00 | jtaylor | I need to get a list of all the packages installed on one computer so I can tell apt-get to install them on another computer. Any ideas? |
| 16:51.09 | selim | Anthro: ServerRoot "/etc/apache2" |
| 16:51.25 | Anthro | selim: And ServerName? |
| 16:51.30 | revenger | hmm I'm trying to install 2.6.11 but when I type make it only reports "suffix or operands invalid for `mov' .. I figured out that it's binutils fault though is there any workaround in sid? |
| 16:51.37 | Laibsch | Anthro: Under X. |
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| 16:51.40 | eeyore- | jtaylor: "dpkg --get-selections", please "man dpkg" |
| 16:51.40 | selim | anthro: no servername |
| 16:51.54 | antgel | revenger: what compiler and why aren't you using make-kpkg |
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| 16:52.03 | darkness1 | eeymore: surely sshd should be a little better secured nowadays? I just have three uses that have access via ssh. |
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| 16:52.22 | revenger | antgel: I do write kernel modules... so I need the source as well I prefer my own built one |
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| 16:52.31 | Anthro | Laibsch: Sounds like you have a misconfigured keyboard. Drop to console and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg, if you are using xorg). |
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| 16:52.43 | revenger | antgel: tried it with gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 |
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| 16:53.01 | eeyore- | darkness1: you're not making sense. ssh is secure. but having a shell may not be secure. and, your idea of "audit" and mine surely aren't the same, which necessitated the questions "what kind of auditing" |
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| 16:53.08 | Faithful | I am getting all these "unkown lease" errors in dhpcp3-server log |
| 16:53.15 | darkness1 | eeymore: I don't know much about auditing software,just looking to improve security measures like changing login port no and making root login disabled etc. |
| 16:53.26 | fatboyjim | where does debian keep its xorg.conf? trying to help a friend |
| 16:53.31 | Anthro | selim: I seem to recall having trouble with that. Give it a ServerName. I put mine right before ServerRoot. Use anything that will resolve correctly, including the IP address. |
| 16:53.39 | Laibsch | Anthro: Keyboard? I am not talking about input, but about printing web pages for example or other ready-made documents. Are you sure this might be related to the keyboard? |
| 16:53.42 | clem_yeats | fatboyjim : /etc/X11 |
| 16:53.54 | eeyore- | darkness1: you can do all that. disable root login, no keyboard-interactive password login (must provide ssh key with passphrase), never use pam (UsePam no) |
| 16:53.59 | antgel | fatboyjim: xorg isn't in debian stable |
| 16:54.02 | Laibsch | fatboyjim: try "locate $filename" to find files. |
| 16:54.07 | eeyore- | darkness1: and enable inactive session logout :-) |
| 16:54.07 | Anthro | Laibsch: Sorry, I may have misunderstood. Is this printing on the screen, then? Or on a printer? |
| 16:54.12 | nono31 | kaffe is as fast as sun implementation? |
| 16:54.25 | selim | anthro: means "anything that resolves correctly including ip address"?! |
| 16:54.38 | Laibsch | Anthro: Output on the screen is fine. Only when I print things out do I get this strangeness. |
| 16:54.45 | Seb | hrm, I can't seem to drag and drop in thunderbird. THis happens sometimes in firefox too, so I think it's a GTK problem... ANyone has a quick workaround for that ? |
| 16:54.57 | antgel | !tell Seb about vague |
| 16:54.58 | nvz | nono31: you mean as slow? :P |
| 16:55.01 | Anthro | selim: ServerName "127.0.0.1" for now. You can change it later. |
| 16:55.12 | darkness1 | eeyore: I use rsa authentication.I guess i shouldn't worry too much as i have only added two friends as users with passwds who can log in. |
| 16:55.17 | nono31 | nvz: ;-) which one is slower then? |
| 16:55.19 | Anthro | Laibsch: What printing system are you using? What printer is it? |
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| 16:55.35 | nvz | nono31: I dont know never tried or benchmarked kaffe |
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| 16:56.02 | Seb | antgel: fair enough :) When I try to drag and drop a mail to a folder, it doesn't let me do it: I get the generic icon that I can drag around, but not *drop* anywhere... |
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| 16:56.48 | eeyore- | darkness1: turn off password authentication, turn off "UsePam" option, disallow root login, get rid of setuid binaries, apply no-stack-execute patch, etc. |
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| 16:57.10 | eeyore- | darkness1: did you get public key files from your friends? |
| 16:57.35 | selim | anthro: no effect |
| 16:57.39 | darkness1 | eeyore, no. |
| 16:57.58 | Anthro | selim: Hrm. Well, I recommend going to #apache and asking there. I don't have any further ideas. |
| 16:57.59 | eeyore- | darkness1: if not, ask your friends to generate key files "ssh-keygen -t dsa -N 'passphrase'" and mail you his/her *.pub files |
| 16:58.08 | antgel | Seb: might be better in #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. the whole thing is becoming a bloat and crash-fest. use mutt :) |
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| 16:58.23 | Seb | antgel: i am using mutt |
| 16:58.34 | selim | anthro they don't have any idea too ;) |
| 16:58.35 | Seb | antgel: but my fucking IS services here decided to switch to exchange 2003 |
| 16:58.41 | selim | anthro: thanks anyway |
| 16:58.44 | antgel | selim: eek |
| 16:58.56 | Seb | antgel: and each user needs to transfer its mail itself |
| 16:59.01 | Anthro | selim: Hrm. Well, you might try apt-get remove --purge apache2 then install it again. |
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| 16:59.15 | antgel | Seb: what do you mean transfer mail? |
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| 16:59.30 | Seb | antgel: from the old server to the new one, transfer all my Saved/ folder |
| 16:59.31 | Laibsch | Anthro: CUPS. This occurs on both a Lexmark Optra E and a Brother HL-6050DN laser printer. |
| 16:59.44 | kingsley__ | Has anyone here tried the package named "srcinst", which is supposed to build and install debian packages completely from source? If so, how well did it work? |
| 16:59.49 | antgel | Seb: aha |
| 17:00.03 | Seb | antgel: yup :\ |
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| 17:00.23 | Seb | antgel: so I'm hoping a quick drag&drop in thunderbird will take care of that, because I don't see no easy way with mutt |
| 17:00.29 | Anthro | Laibsch: These printers are both connected directly to your Debian box? |
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| 17:00.32 | darkness1 | eeyore: Thanks for that. When i get the gen key files,what do i do? <<Sorry for sounding ignorant :-) |
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| 17:01.09 | evil_andy | this is weird, Im using iptables to NAT my internal network so I can connect to the internet, yet it's still routing even though I have NO rules set in iptables... any ideas why? |
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| 17:01.15 | evil_andy | I'm using debian 3.1 |
| 17:01.17 | antgel | Seb: grab the latest tb from mozilla.org. beta, whatever. |
| 17:01.35 | antgel | evil_andy: why should it not route? |
| 17:01.50 | evil_andy | antgel, because it's a 192.168.183.x address |
| 17:02.05 | eeyore- | darkness1: then, in each of your friend's account, you put the public key in (his/her) ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (make this file u+rw, go-rwx), make the ~/.ssh directory u+rwx, go-rwx |
| 17:02.38 | evil_andy | antgel, I'm currently behind a router on a private address, the router has no NATing set up right now (iptables is flushed) and yet I'm still able to use irc on an internal machine |
| 17:03.04 | eeyore- | darkness1: optionally, you may want to make it a passphrase-less by specifying "-N ''" when generating the key, but that means anybody who manages to get the secret key (from their system) is able to log into yours without specifying any passphrase :) |
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| 17:03.18 | eeyore- | darkness1: you decide if the convenience of passphrase-less login is worth the risk. |
| 17:03.23 | antgel | evil_andy: iptables -L nat? |
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| 17:03.28 | evil_andy | antgel, flushed |
| 17:03.33 | antgel | oops |
| 17:03.40 | antgel | evil_andy: -t nat i mean |
| 17:03.49 | evil_andy | antgel, I knew what you meant :) |
| 17:04.09 | antgel | evil_andy: did you ever have the rules set on that machine? |
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| 17:04.19 | darkness1 | Okay eeyore: Damn i have alot to learn :-) I shall do a little googling.At least you have led me on the right path. |
| 17:04.21 | evil_andy | antgel, yes, but then the machine rebooted |
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| 17:04.37 | antgel | evil_andy: the router rebooted? |
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| 17:05.06 | evil_andy | antgel, yeah. but the weird thing is i can still do NEW connections, i.e. ping google and whatnot |
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| 17:06.00 | Fleck | i need a tool to detect with what iso level is CD writed... what data mode i know i can get with K3b |
| 17:06.31 | warchild | I'm having the damnedest problem with some new debian boxes I'm deploying with fai... |
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| 17:07.17 | evil_andy | antgel, should I try rebooting the router again and see if the problem persists on reboot? |
| 17:07.17 | warchild | when eth0 is marked as auto in /etc/network/interfaces, its is brought up at boot time but drops link light when /etc/init.d/networking starts |
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| 17:07.33 | antgel | evil_andy: do you specifically not want it to route? |
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| 17:08.18 | evil_andy | antgel, no, I kind of do want it to route... I just kind of want to know WHY it's routing when it shouldn't be, it seems that something other than iptables is doing routing for it, and i want to be able to secure the routing. |
| 17:08.41 | Laibsch | Anthro: One of them is connected via parallel port, the other via the network. |
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| 17:09.00 | warchild | it only comes up when the machine boots, I login, 'ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0' |
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| 17:09.45 | antgel | evil_andy: nothing else could do it. iptables is the only thing that can make masq work afaik |
| 17:09.46 | Anthro | Laibsch: Is the one on the network directly connected to ethernet or shared by another computer? |
| 17:09.58 | antgel | evil_andy: just one of those freakish things :) |
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| 17:10.07 | evil_andy | antgel, then that is odd, I'll see if it keeps doing it on reboot... thanks |
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| 17:13.05 | Laibsch | Anthro: The Brother is connected via ethernet. It waits for me at lpd://$printer/PS. |
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| 17:13.44 | Laibsch | Laibsch: I'd qalify that as direct ;-) |
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| 17:14.20 | Anthro | Laibsch: Right, I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't another CUPS system in between you and it. |
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| 17:14.23 | lilgg | hello, whats the command to edit Xfree configuration? (the one with the wizard) |
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| 17:14.41 | jethro | !drxx lilgg |
| 17:14.42 | dpkg | lilgg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 17:14.46 | lilgg | k thx |
| 17:14.47 | lilgg | :) |
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| 17:15.12 | Laibsch | Anthro: OK, any idea where the problem might be located? |
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| 17:16.13 | Anthro | Laibsch: So it sounds like you don't have the right CUPS driver being used. It's a bit weird that both printers are exhibiting the same behavior, though. Have you checked at linuxprinting.org which is the recommended driver and how well supported your printers are? |
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| 17:17.03 | Skaja | how do i make my own linux distro? |
| 17:17.33 | Laibsch | Anthro: I doubt that. The PPD is straight from brother and the the Optra is using PCL afair. |
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| 17:17.54 | NSK | will this work? mysqldump -uroot drupaldb | tar -jcf drupaldb.sql.tar.bz2 |
| 17:18.12 | Anthro | Laibsch: The PPD and PCL isn't the whole story. Go check out what linuxprinting.org has to say about your printers. |
| 17:18.23 | Laibsch | Anthro: From the top of my head: linuxprinting.org says the optra is supported perfectly. There is no record for the brother since the ppd is not available publicly. |
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| 17:20.40 | Anthro | Laibsch: So which driver are you using for the Lexmark? |
| 17:20.55 | NSK | will the redirection work ? |
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| 17:21.43 | Laibsch | Anthro: I cannot check right now. It sits at home. you think this is a driver issue? I will be home shortyl and take a look there. |
| 17:21.52 | evil_andy | antgel, yeah, I just rebooted the router, REMOVED iptables, and all I set was /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1 and it's routing and apparently doing NAT as well... |
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| 17:22.03 | Laibsch | Anthro: The brother is more important since it is the printer at work. |
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| 17:22.11 | Anthro | Laibsch: I can't think of anything else it might be. |
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| 17:22.22 | Anthro | Laibsch: So you have access to the Brother and its config right now? |
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| 17:23.14 | Lee__ | could someone recommend a way to do a gid audit? for example, to find all directories under / with the g+w bit set. |
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| 17:23.32 | Laibsch | Anthro: ye. |
| 17:23.35 | Laibsch | Anthro: yes |
| 17:23.43 | Anthro | Laibsch: Okay, one sec... |
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| 17:24.42 | rking | are there any really good, debian-based shell account servers out there? i need ssh/mail/web |
| 17:24.45 | goccia | Lee__: find / -type f \( -perm -04000 -o -perm -02000 \) -ls |
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| 17:26.18 | Lee__ | goccia: thanks. |
| 17:26.29 | goccia | Lee__: np |
| 17:26.47 | Lee__ | rking: I rent a Sarge box at serverbeach.com. good bandwidth, root access. |
| 17:27.31 | darkness1 | Lee__: How much pm? |
| 17:27.35 | rking | Lee__: hrmm.. do you have to rent the whole thing? |
| 17:27.41 | Lee__ | that's what the web page will tell you. |
| 17:27.53 | nvz | I doubt that.. if they give you root access its probably not a sarge box, its a UML VM running sarge |
| 17:27.56 | Lee__ | different prices. they are a "budget unmanaged hosting company" |
| 17:28.10 | Anthro | Laibsch: Okay. You know your printer's IP address? |
| 17:28.21 | Lee__ | nvz: no, it is the entire computer. there are even photos. |
| 17:28.40 | Lee__ | you can buy an unmetered 10mbit switch port :) |
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| 17:29.34 | Laibsch | Anthro: yes |
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| 17:30.07 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 17:30.17 | darkness1 | Lee__: The deb box looks like around £100 pm. |
| 17:30.20 | poonj | I was wondering...is KDE "more" developed |
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| 17:30.24 | poonj | or is gnome just as good |
| 17:30.24 | Anthro | Laibsch: In a web browser, can you bring up http://<printerIP>:631/ipp ? |
| 17:30.36 | poonj | even though gnome is in the 2.x stage vs. KDE thats in the 3.x stage? |
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| 17:30.44 | Lee__ | they are one of the few self-managed hosting companies that'll actually give you Debian instead of RHEL with with a crappy www "command center" infection. |
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| 17:31.07 | Lee__ | darkness1: you can go to the web page and see for yourself. it's not hard. |
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| 17:31.53 | Laibsch | Anthro: 404 error. But the printer is listening on 631. |
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| 17:32.22 | Laibsch | Other open ports: 23, 80, 139, 515, 631, 8080, 9100. |
| 17:32.40 | Anthro | Laibsch: Ooo, 9100 is nice. That's JetDirect. |
| 17:32.44 | HeadSStrong | why does "apt" not respond? |
| 17:32.59 | Anthro | Laibsch: Okay, are you using the CUPS web interface at localhost:631? |
| 17:33.10 | Laibsch | yes |
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| 17:33.18 | fken | HeadSStrong: apt or apt server ? |
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| 17:33.22 | Lee__ | HeadSStrong: cause you broke it. |
| 17:33.33 | Anthro | Laibsch: Remove the current configuration of the Brother printer. |
| 17:33.36 | HeadSStrong | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.39 | goccia | Lee__: i use sxid, apt-cache show sxid ... |
| 17:33.40 | HeadSStrong | but now it responds |
| 17:33.53 | fken | HeadSStrong:... |
| 17:34.02 | Skaja | can i use a Lucent driver if my modem uses the Lucent chip set |
| 17:34.15 | HeadSStrong | fken .. yes?? |
| 17:34.22 | evil_andy | antgel, I think my university might be messing with the packets going out which is why normal routing might be working... |
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| 17:34.44 | Lee__ | goccia: that's awesome. thanks. |
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| 17:35.26 | Laibsch | Anthro: I'd rather just add a second printer, if you do not mind, OK? |
| 17:35.29 | HeadSStrong | apt is broke |
| 17:35.34 | Anthro | Laibsch: Okay, sure. |
| 17:35.57 | Anthro | Laibsch: So add another printer. Use JetDirect for the communication. You know how to form the URL, right? |
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| 17:36.29 | Laibsch | OK. |
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| 17:38.46 | Skaja | hello one where is two |
| 17:38.59 | One | Skaag, Hello :) |
| 17:39.51 | alcros | hi, has anyone succeeded trying to install sun-appserver 8 on debian? |
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| 17:40.23 | alcros | everytime I run the script, it stops at "deleting Temp files" which is at the very beginning |
| 17:40.29 | defcon8 | where is kahakai on debian? |
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| 17:41.20 | spudnese | i just installed mysql on sarge, and I can't 'mysqladmin -u root mysql', any ideas why? |
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| 17:41.43 | fken | i have trouble with my sound : tuxracer chromium and surely many others have no sound |
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| 17:41.45 | zuralin | error? |
| 17:41.55 | antgel | evil_andy: aha, so your router isn't the final router before the Internet? |
| 17:41.58 | defcon8 | anyone? |
| 17:42.02 | spudnese | sorry ... |
| 17:42.04 | spudnese | error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES)' |
| 17:42.12 | evil_andy | antgel, probably not |
| 17:42.15 | alcros | spudnese: have you tried -p and then writing the appropiate password |
| 17:42.36 | spudnese | hmm i don't remember setting one... the default is blank right? |
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| 17:44.19 | Lumination | word to yer momz, I came ta drop bomz |
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| 17:44.37 | Lumination | I came to get down, I came to get down, so get out ya seat and jump around |
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| 17:44.53 | alcros | you can set a password with this: mysqladmin -u root password 'yourpassword' |
| 17:45.16 | greycat | Lumination: inspirational. truly original. |
| 17:45.25 | Lumination | lol |
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| 17:45.53 | Lumination | heh |
| 17:46.11 | alcros | has anyone installed the J2EE RI on debian succesfully? |
| 17:46.19 | fken | someone to help me ? |
| 17:46.23 | greycat | !ask |
| 17:46.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:46.29 | greycat | alcros: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 17:46.41 | antgel | greycat: j2ee is more than that afaik |
| 17:46.50 | greycat | antgel: java-package can't do it? |
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| 17:47.01 | Lumination | I finally got my distro downgraded... apt-pinning is some weird shiz |
| 17:47.01 | fken | greycat: i already asked : and no as i am polite i just ask if you dont forget me :p |
| 17:47.02 | alcros | yeah, i already have the java sdk |
| 17:47.04 | alcros | and tomcat |
| 17:47.05 | antgel | greycat: don't *think* so |
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| 17:47.13 | antgel | Lumination: are you in the hood? |
| 17:47.14 | alcros | but i need an ejb container |
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| 17:47.22 | greycat | alcros: antgel: well, in that case, install it by hand and symlink whatever needs symlinkin' into /usr/local/bin |
| 17:47.29 | fken | [19:42:12] greycat: <fken> i have trouble with my sound : tuxracer chromium and surely many others have no sound |
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| 17:47.35 | antgel | greycat: i'll give it a miss |
| 17:47.48 | greycat | fken: echo hello > /dev/dsp |
| 17:47.59 | Lumination | antgel: yes... beverly hills... |
| 17:48.01 | Lumination | lol |
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| 17:48.10 | Lumination | damn lagging |
| 17:48.12 | fken | greycat: busy |
| 17:48.15 | antgel | !tell Lumination about lol |
| 17:48.17 | sandman | So Sarge is finally stable, eh? |
| 17:48.18 | alcros | problem is, sun delivers a .bin and it stops after the first three lines |
| 17:48.24 | greycat | fken: you're too busy to type it? |
| 17:48.27 | fken | greycat:hmmm i am listening to amarok radio |
| 17:48.28 | antgel | sandman: yes, and the beatles have split up |
| 17:48.33 | sandman | antgel: No way |
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| 17:48.38 | fken | greycat: peripheral is busy |
| 17:48.38 | antgel | sandman: way |
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| 17:48.43 | greycat | fken: so your sound DOES work. |
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| 17:49.11 | fken | greycat: not with turacer and it is surely a problem of library |
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| 17:49.27 | fken | greycat: SDL issue? |
| 17:49.29 | greycat | fken: what is the EXACT error they give? |
| 17:49.50 | fken | greycat: they gave no error they simply dont play any sound |
| 17:49.52 | werw | Hi ,I have a hardware question. Do you think that Opteron's price difference worths the performance gain? |
| 17:49.53 | Lumination | hahaha... I'm allowed to use lol because I'm from the old skewl. aohell users use it because they think it makes them look "kewl" but those of us who were using it since the beginning of time have a right... heh jk |
| 17:50.14 | mazeman | hello, is there an application to manage databases (GUI) MS SQL,DB2, Oracle, etc ? |
| 17:50.15 | greycat | werw: difference from wht? |
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| 17:50.37 | werw | We must do data crunching |
| 17:50.37 | defcon8 | whats the dpkg thing to ask to learn how to change menus? |
| 17:50.44 | Gathond | Lumination: no point, no one are by this point in time capable of knowing the difference unless they knew you the whole time:) |
| 17:50.49 | greycat | werw: so you're looking at buying them by the hundred? or what? |
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| 17:50.58 | greycat | werw: what are you comparing against? |
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| 17:51.15 | Lumination | Gathond: good point... very philosophical... =] |
| 17:51.16 | werw | Choosing between dual Opteron 4Gb memory and dual AThlon64 12 Gb Memory |
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| 17:51.27 | greycat | !opteron |
| 17:51.27 | dpkg | i guess opteron is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel |
| 17:51.30 | fken | greycat: i will install frozen bubble i remember this games dont show sound option when there is no sound |
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| 17:51.38 | greycat | isn't opteron just the *other name* for an amd64? |
| 17:51.54 | werw | Athlon64 |
| 17:51.55 | defcon8 | anyone? |
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| 17:51.58 | zuralin | more cache i think |
| 17:51.59 | greycat | !athlon64 |
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| 17:52.26 | Gathond | greycat: opteron is the server line, amd64 the desktop line, like xeon and P4 I think |
| 17:52.28 | SimonRaven | !amd64 |
| 17:52.28 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 17:52.58 | zuralin | http://www.devx.com/amd/Article/27340 |
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| 17:53.17 | kenboo | http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq -- Internal Server Error |
| 17:53.24 | fken | nono31: ok so ... for frozen bubble the sound option is impossible to activate |
| 17:53.26 | alcros | maze: you can try dbvisualizer |
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| 17:53.39 | fken | greycat: ok so ... for frozen bubble the sound option is impossible to activate |
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| 17:54.00 | alcros | java based, very easy to install and connect to any db with a jdbc driver |
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| 17:54.12 | greycat | kenboo: me too. |
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| 17:54.16 | alcros | almost everyone vendor has one of those |
| 17:54.23 | jamuraa | all right, here's a challenge for everyone: I have a laptop, a linux boot CD (LNX-BBC). No net connection. We need to get windows (on /dev/hda2) booting again after accidently formatting the old linux filesystem that grub is looking for. |
| 17:54.41 | zuralin | according to that article an amd64 can only support 4GB per processor |
| 17:54.49 | defcon8 | can anyone tell me how to change the menu in debian? |
| 17:54.57 | beardy | jamuraa: Quite offtopic, donät you think? |
| 17:55.04 | Gathond | jamuraa: so basically reinstall the windows bootloader? in that case put in the install CD and do that |
| 17:55.14 | greycat | jamuraa: download the rescue CD image from www.sysresccd.org -- it has ms-sys on it. That can reinstall the Microsoft MBR. |
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| 17:55.40 | Gathond | greycat: so can the NT installation CD's so why bother downloading anything |
| 17:55.41 | greycat | Gathond: ... except that you can't download a Microsoft install CD from any URL *I'm* aware of. Fucking copyright. |
| 17:55.51 | greycat | Gathond: because... I don't *have* an NT install CD? |
| 17:55.55 | Gathond | greycat: he ought to have one :) |
| 17:56.00 | defcon8 | damn |
| 17:56.01 | jamuraa | we don't have another CD-R and we don't have an install CD.. |
| 17:56.08 | Gathond | greycat: after all he has a windows installation right?:) |
| 17:56.13 | Gathond | he must have an install CD |
| 17:56.13 | greycat | jamuraa: GO TO A FUCKING STORE AND *BUY* A CD-R YOU FUCKTARD. |
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| 17:56.16 | Lumination | Gathond: on the subject of 'lol,' speaking philosophically, the perspective of 'lol' being associated to 'aol' is, I presume, linked with the concept of conformity, and (among many linux users, in my experience), conformity is not desirable; however, asking someone to use something else is asking them to 'conform' to another standard. heheh I'm definitely not being serious. |
| 17:56.31 | beardy | jamuraa: But, reinstall what windows wants in your MBR, boot your win install cd and run .. fix_mbr, something like that.. |
| 17:56.34 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 17:56.58 | jamuraa | beardy: can't boot to the win install - that would be the problem. |
| 17:56.59 | fken | greycat:I just fund the solution : installing libsdl1.2debian-arts instead of alsa one |
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| 17:57.03 | beardy | antgel: plonking me? |
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| 17:57.21 | Gathond | Lumination: hehe, I dont particular agree in the lol is bad and stupid thing, its just an abrevation for all I care:), just felt like responding to your argument:) |
| 17:57.24 | antgel | beardy: nope, hear ya loud and clear |
| 17:58.00 | beardy | antgel: Ok, I thought *plonk* meant a bang in the head :) |
| 17:58.00 | Lumination | WeLL I'M PiSssED because I'm an AoL UsEr and i'M 31337, DAMMIT! |
| 17:58.05 | Lumination | :D |
| 17:58.08 | greycat | beardy: I'm assuming he plonked jamuraa |
| 17:58.11 | SimonRaven | !plonk |
| 17:58.11 | dpkg | hmm... plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. |
| 17:58.14 | beardy | greycat: Yeah. |
| 17:58.18 | antgel | nah |
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| 17:58.33 | antgel | although it could happen :) |
| 17:58.34 | goccia | jamuraa: you said "grub is looking for" : use grub . |
| 17:58.39 | Gathond | jamuraa: boot the windows INSTALL CD dammit |
| 17:58.41 | beardy | Well, have to go anyway. Have a nice weekend, and sunday.. ;) |
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| 17:59.12 | Gathond | jamuraa: the installer has an option to restore/fix an installation amongst that the fixmbr thing that reloads the windows bootloader |
| 17:59.14 | sleon | hi . i get an error: user is not allowed to run an X server . how tochange it? |
| 17:59.19 | sleon | how to allow |
| 17:59.25 | stew | sleon: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 17:59.27 | greycat | sleon: the user has to be on the text console by default. |
| 17:59.38 | sleon | greycat i am on textconsole |
| 17:59.46 | Lumination | I can even browse the web using keywords! |
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| 18:00.01 | greycat | ok, then see stew's answer, and shake your head in despair and wonder about how debconf makes you learn, not what FILE to edit, but what PACKAGE each file is in. |
| 18:00.07 | jamuraa | goccia: we can't get to the grub prompt because it trys to load Stagr 1.5 from the partition which is gone now |
| 18:00.18 | greycat | there's gotta be a better way than debconf. |
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| 18:00.26 | jamuraa | Gathond: we don't HAVE a windows install CD |
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| 18:00.49 | goccia | jamuraa: i see : i cannot send you my handy grub-floppy :) |
| 18:00.49 | CosmoDad | jamuraa: how did you install Windows, a commercial OS, then? |
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| 18:01.04 | Gathond | jamuraa: get a replacement CD from MS then, you really ought to have the CD for the product you paid several hundred dollars for ... right? |
| 18:01.13 | SimonRaven | so go get that sys-res cd greycat mentioned and burn it somewhere.. |
| 18:01.14 | jamuraa | CosmoDad: the windows install CD is approx. 3 hours away by flight. |
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| 18:01.23 | jamuraa | it's only not here because we're on travel |
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| 18:01.35 | jamuraa | (actually he's on travel and I'm on the phone w/him) |
| 18:01.43 | antgel | jamuraa: have you implemented the avian rfc? |
| 18:01.48 | greycat | !rfc1139 |
| 18:01.48 | dpkg | rfc1139 is, like, Echo function for ISO 8473. R.A. Hagens. Jan-01-1990. (Format: TXT=14229 bytes) (Obsoleted by RFC1574, RFC1575) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) |
| 18:01.51 | SimonRaven | "he's travelling" |
| 18:01.52 | Gathond | jamuraa: borrow one from somewhere then, that or boot a linux install disk and reinstall linux and through that grub |
| 18:01.52 | Laibsch | Anthro: It seems to work when I use PostScript under Mozilla. There are some strange other entries. But PostScript works, even with the old entry. Thanks for your help. |
| 18:01.53 | greycat | damn... |
| 18:02.02 | greycat | !listvals avian |
| 18:02.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'avian' by value (7): finland ;; viking ;; d-no ;; acp ;; viking #DEL# ;; debian-no ;; rfc1149. |
| 18:02.07 | greycat | !rfc1149 |
| 18:02.07 | dpkg | i guess rfc1149 is Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 18:02.21 | antgel | that's it. although 1139 looks like a winner too |
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| 18:02.23 | Gathond | what stage is 1.5 in grub btw, is that before you have the selection menu? |
| 18:02.30 | defcon8 | can someone tell me how to edit window manager menus in debian please? |
| 18:02.44 | Lumiere | I just did a fresh debian install using an older sarge-testing network install cd... and I'm getting a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop on e2fsprogs |
| 18:02.47 | Anthro | Laibsch: Excellent. That won't fix the Lexmark, but choosing the right driver for it will help. Make sure hpijs is installed, since that's the driver linuxprinting.org recommends for the Lexmark. |
| 18:02.54 | antgel | defcon8: sure, once you tell us what docs you've read and what you've tried so far |
| 18:02.59 | sleon | does anybody knows how to make telnetd be able to talk with tn5250 client(is speaks ibm-3477-fc protocol which is used for as/400 ibm servers) |
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| 18:03.01 | Gathond | defcon8: unless you are talking about the debian menu, then its dependant on the window manager ... surprise |
| 18:03.02 | CosmoDad | jamuraa: assuming you have Linux installed, you might be able to boot it and let it recognize your Windows partition |
| 18:03.02 | Lumination | defcon8: that's a little vague |
| 18:03.09 | karsten | defcon8: Depends in part on the WM. However there is a menu system, you can define your own userspace menus as well. |
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| 18:03.17 | defcon8 | antgel, i know that debian does it auto |
| 18:03.17 | Lumiere | is there an easy way to fix it (or is it even worth doing...) |
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| 18:03.26 | CosmoDad | jamuraa: or do the grub entry by yourself |
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| 18:03.38 | defcon8 | ok ill just add it to the normal wm menu |
| 18:03.43 | defcon8 | i was wondering about the debian menu |
| 18:03.46 | karsten | defcon8: I use a mix in Windowmaker of system + custom menus, where I hook the Debian menus into my own defined ones at a certain point. |
| 18:04.26 | karsten | defcon8: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/WMRootMenu |
| 18:04.34 | jamuraa | CosmoDad: we don't have windows installed anymore, we only have a LNX-BBC rescue disk.. |
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| 18:04.48 | karsten | defcon8: ... is my hack. You can start from there and modify via vi or WPrefs. |
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| 18:04.54 | jamuraa | CosmoDad: err, linux installed anymore |
| 18:04.57 | defcon8 | ill edit the fluxbox menu i guess |
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| 18:04.59 | defcon8 | thanks anyway |
| 18:05.00 | Laibsch | Anthro: yes, I will. I'm heading off home now and will rejoin later. |
| 18:05.10 | Anthro | Good luck. I may or may not be here. |
| 18:05.43 | defcon8 | i guess that wont work |
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| 18:07.06 | defcon8 | ok i dont get that karsten . and i am on fluxbox |
| 18:07.46 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 18:08.01 | defcon8 | ok i read the menu |
| 18:08.02 | defcon8 | nvm |
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| 18:08.33 | lewis | hey there - my Realtek RTL8100C network card seems to 'freeze' after about 15 minutes of connection. the link light remains on, but it doesn't respond to ping - what do you suggest? |
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| 18:09.01 | greycat | lewis: try another kernel first |
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| 18:09.28 | lewis | in the past, I have had no problems with this card, until now. I am using debian sarge I believe. |
| 18:09.33 | barbarosa | lewis, on board? |
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| 18:09.51 | lewis | yes - onboard |
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| 18:09.59 | lewis | it is 2.4.27 kernel I believe. |
| 18:09.59 | greycat | which kernel did you use "in the past"? |
| 18:10.02 | barbarosa | lewis, asus? |
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| 18:10.07 | lewis | Gigabyte I believe. |
| 18:10.09 | Anthro | Is anyone still developing CVS at all, or has everyone decided that it sucks too much to update? |
| 18:10.15 | lewis | I haven't changed anything, other than the machines physical location. |
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| 18:10.35 | asg | Anthro: OpenBSD is developing a more secure version that will have new features eventuall. |
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| 18:10.41 | asg | y |
| 18:10.54 | sward | defcon8: I created my custom menu in ~/.fluxbox/menu that includes /.fluxbox/fluxbox-menu -- make sure ~/.fluxbox/init contains: session.menuFile: ~/.fluxbox/menu and read the fluxbox documentation on how to create the menu |
| 18:10.55 | Anthro | asg: Ah, keen. Do they have a mailing list? |
| 18:10.58 | lewis | the connection works fine, until it freezes, usually after 15 minutes or so. |
| 18:11.05 | Zenethian | I should start a BSD and call it PayBSD. |
| 18:11.20 | Anthro | Zenethian: MacOS X? |
| 18:11.23 | asg | Anthro: I don't know if it's at the level where it's complete enough to have one yet. You could check their site though. |
| 18:11.33 | Zenethian | Anthro: Damn, someone beat me to it. :) |
| 18:11.42 | lewis | lspci shows RTL8139, and my chip is RTL8100C - but probably the same module needed. |
| 18:11.49 | Anthro | asg: Do you happen to have an URL offhand? Or is it just on openbsd.org? |
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| 18:11.59 | asg | Anthro: should just be linked from openbsd.org |
| 18:12.01 | lewis | greycat - any advice you can offer is appreciated. |
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| 18:12.14 | asg | Anthro: http://opencvs.org/ |
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| 18:12.22 | greycat | lewis: try another NIC, or re-seat it. |
| 18:12.23 | Anthro | asg: Ah, excellent. thanks. |
| 18:12.36 | lewis | it is an onboard NIC, in a 1u case, and I don't have a riser card yet. |
| 18:12.46 | sleon | again |
| 18:12.56 | sleon | i constantly get message not allowed to run x server |
| 18:12.58 | Hecate | anybody know how to completely disable the sound in Debian Sarge? |
| 18:12.59 | greycat | anyone who *builds in* an rtl8139 compatible chip needs to be slapped. |
| 18:13.05 | SimonRaven | hard |
| 18:13.05 | sleon | and it does not react on any changes in Xwrapper.config |
| 18:13.07 | greycat | that's just gouging. |
| 18:13.12 | sleon | or dpkg-reconfigre blabla |
| 18:13.15 | lewis | Gigabyte :P |
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| 18:13.29 | greycat | sleon: head -2 /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 18:13.30 | SimonRaven | several times, with a 2x4 |
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| 18:13.37 | lewis | any kind of software error that needs to be checked |
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| 18:13.56 | sleon | greycat nice=0 allow=console |
| 18:14.01 | greycat | sleon: sorry, I meant tail -2 |
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| 18:14.03 | barbarosa | lol rtl-8139 never die |
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| 18:14.08 | sleon | greycat :) |
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| 18:14.11 | greycat | sleon: "allow=console" is wrong. |
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| 18:14.25 | SimonRaven | -n 2 FYI |
| 18:14.29 | sleon | greycat where are docs for it ? |
| 18:14.34 | greycat | SimonRaven: I'm too old for that shit. :) |
| 18:14.41 | greycat | sleon: # See the Xwrapper.config(5) manual page for more information. |
| 18:14.43 | lewis | any file checking for the modules, or configuration that I need to change? |
| 18:15.01 | SimonRaven | hehe, hey you're not much older than i am ;) |
| 18:15.08 | greycat | lewis: highly unlikely. |
| 18:15.22 | greycat | lewis: check dmesg for errors, but it's probably hardware failure |
| 18:15.27 | lewis | ok |
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| 18:15.46 | Skaja | i dont understand debian 3.1 my modem is a Full hardware chipset modem |
| 18:15.50 | enkrav | Please, look at #flood to see a "bug" I found or explain me why this is so. |
| 18:15.55 | Genscher | anyone willing to giude me through a half-upgrade from woody to sarge (only php stuff) :) (so far there is no mod_php4.so only libphp4.so, it gets not lincuded in httpd.conf, and so on...) |
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| 18:16.49 | SimonRaven | you can't half-upgrade "only php stuff". half-upgrade means it hasn't finished yet |
| 18:16.58 | sleon | greycat thx |
| 18:17.02 | sleon | greycat works now |
| 18:17.13 | Genscher | i upgraded, but the php stuff wasn't upgraded |
| 18:17.21 | SimonRaven | oh i see |
| 18:17.26 | Skaja | but i cant use my modem to dial out |
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| 18:17.44 | Genscher | now i installed it with aptitude. But it doesn't get included in httpd.conf. |
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| 18:17.51 | greycat | Skaja: add yourself to the "dialout" group for minicom, or "dip" for pon/poff. |
| 18:18.05 | lewis | greycat - nothing in dmesg that was helpful. so, you reckon a hardware fault.... |
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| 18:18.19 | SimonRaven | the install won't edit your httpd.conf |
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| 18:18.21 | Genscher | and apache-modconf can't do anything because it's not mod_php4.so but libphp4.so |
| 18:18.24 | lewis | what can explain why it would stop working after 15 minutes? |
| 18:18.30 | Genscher | ok, hand-stuff |
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| 18:18.35 | SimonRaven | afk |
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| 18:19.08 | Skaja | how do i do that |
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| 18:19.32 | Genscher | there's nothing more worse than editing some text on the command line :/ |
| 18:19.39 | greycat | yes there is. |
| 18:19.43 | Genscher | (through some terminal....) |
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| 18:20.14 | greycat | watching win XP tell you "I'll run this on the next reboot" and then reboot and not run it, and you can't do a damned thing *about* it. that's worse. |
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| 18:20.33 | Genscher | lol |
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| 18:20.45 | Genscher | WinXp is really hard to beat ;) |
| 18:21.01 | greycat | or "administering" a unix machine through a menu, web-based or otherwise, and being restricted by some set of pre-defined tasks. |
| 18:21.03 | Blizzard666 | ^^ |
| 18:21.11 | lewis | greycat - thanks for your help. |
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| 18:21.41 | Genscher | hm, i'll download the httpd.conf, change it and then upload it ;) |
| 18:21.51 | Genscher | it's easier than learning vi/emacs - console |
| 18:22.37 | greycat | !vi basics |
| 18:22.37 | dpkg | vi is a modal editor: it has insert, replace and command modes. You start in command mode. Press "i" to enter insert mode, and ESC to go back to command mode. "dd" deletes a line, and "x" deletes a character. Save-and-exit with "ZZ". |
| 18:22.37 | mz_work | Genscher: ever tried mc? |
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| 18:22.37 | greycat | even "nano -w" is tolerable |
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| 18:23.24 | Genscher | i hope Apache doesn't care if i change the line endings to /r/n |
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| 18:23.39 | Malkavian`TuX | hello |
| 18:23.49 | greycat | Genscher: you know enough to know that's a problem, but you refuse to learn nano or vi or emacs? |
| 18:24.04 | greycat | Genscher: sounds like you just need to invest 15 minutes learning one of the standard common unix editors |
| 18:24.23 | greycat | not that nano even takes 15 minutes to learn |
| 18:24.27 | Genscher | i edit this httpd.conf only once a year so i don't learn emacs/vi ;) |
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| 18:24.55 | greycat | Genscher: and how are you going to run "vipw" by downloading and then re-uploading...? |
| 18:24.58 | greycat | you MUST learn a unix editor. |
| 18:25.00 | Malkavian`TuX | nano is easy :D |
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| 18:25.09 | nullvoid | vi rock |
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| 18:25.15 | greycat | nano is easy. the hardest part is learning to type "nano -w". |
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| 18:25.56 | Zenethian | nano nano! |
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| 18:26.39 | greycat | Zenethian: shazbot! |
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| 18:26.51 | Zenethian | :o |
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| 18:27.36 | asg | greycat: haha |
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| 18:29.09 | Genscher | greycat: i just download it, open it in my texteditor and then upload it. finished ;) |
| 18:29.16 | Malkavian`TuX | or edit his configuration for cool things XDD |
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| 18:29.40 | Malkavian`TuX | yes vi is advanced but I can't live happy whit vi, just live XDDD |
| 18:29.53 | Zenethian | I prefer jed |
| 18:30.03 | Zenethian | except I cant get the god damned thing to read my .jedrc correctly |
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| 18:30.14 | greycat | Genscher: things like "vipw" and "crontab -e" will cause you to reconsider that strategem. |
| 18:30.21 | Malkavian`TuX | anybody knows if today debian TESTING have a great number of new packages? |
| 18:30.31 | greycat | Malkavian`TuX: packages.debian.org knows. |
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| 18:30.48 | greycat | getting it to tell you may be a challenge. |
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| 18:31.31 | dodo | azulema sei stato ignorato |
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| 18:32.25 | Hecate | what's the use of vi when you can use nano? |
| 18:32.34 | goccia | nano ? |
| 18:32.46 | stew | Hecate: being able to type %s/foo/bar/g |
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| 18:33.20 | Hecate | I see... |
| 18:33.23 | eeyore- | Hecate: that question shows a profound lack of understanding regarding vi/emacs usefulness beyond extremely mundane text editing |
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| 18:34.01 | Malkavian`TuX | emacs is an OS, isn't it? XDDDD |
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| 18:34.06 | eeyore- | Hecate: if all you do with text editor is manual editing where you are the one doing every single change, sure, nano will do fine |
| 18:34.13 | greycat | !emacs disease |
| 18:34.13 | dpkg | I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your package. I've realized that you are not actually a text editor. Every text editor on this system instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding OS. But you emacsen do not. You move to a system and you multiply and multiply until every system resource is consumed.... |
| 18:34.15 | Zenethian | nano is a nearly useless text editor. vi(m) is a fully functional editing system with a lot of features. |
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| 18:34.18 | Zero_Dogg | Malkavian`TuX: throw a kernel in and I think it would count as one :P |
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| 18:34.38 | blackpit | lol @ dpkg |
| 18:34.43 | Malkavian`TuX | XDDDD |
| 18:35.30 | Malkavian`TuX | nano is enough for doing four (maybe 5) stupiditties XDDD |
| 18:35.45 | Malkavian`TuX | for example: edit configuration files :D |
| 18:35.49 | goccia | vim is zen , i use it vim and the above bloated beast too , but i think vim is really zen |
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| 18:37.39 | Hecate | that's funny each time I get a reply to a question here I found myself with only more question to ask |
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| 18:38.27 | Malkavian`TuX | packages.debian.org just tell me hellooooo but nothing more ¬¬ |
| 18:38.28 | zinx | Hecate: maybe you should ask the question you actually want to know the answer to in the first place ;) |
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| 18:39.23 | Hecate | and there are always people who are trying to makes you look dumb |
| 18:39.42 | Hecate | chatting didnt change since 5 years ago |
| 18:40.13 | goccia | Malkavian`TuX: browse http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ for news on new packages |
| 18:40.15 | greycat | { mask = "Hecate"; level = "ALL"; unignore_time = "1127139316"; }, |
| 18:40.28 | eeyore- | Hecate: it's just like anything in life ... there are specialties, and there are the mundanes |
| 18:40.43 | Malkavian`TuX | i do but nothing for today |
| 18:41.12 | eeyore- | Hecate: think of it this way, "what's the use for a <performance-car here> when there's Honda Civic"? |
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| 18:41.32 | goccia | Malkavian`TuX: today ? that's weekly !!! |
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| 18:41.36 | eeyore- | (not that there's anything wrong with a Civic :-) |
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| 18:41.58 | darkness1 | Is there actual courses online or tutorials taking you from basic to intermediate levels? Or is everything just specific? |
| 18:42.15 | Zenethian | I see fred people. |
| 18:42.16 | greycat | darkness1: there aren't "levels". |
| 18:42.28 | Genscher | worst case ;) apache runs, i installed php4, but if i click on some .php, he asks me to download it :/ |
| 18:42.30 | eeyore- | darkness1: there are probably specialties ... what kind of classes do you want to take? |
| 18:42.34 | Genscher | it doesn't get parsed |
| 18:42.41 | Malkavian`TuX | yeah, the last weekly new was the 13th, today is 15th and today seems to be a actulization in debian testing |
| 18:42.49 | eeyore- | Genscher: you forgot to set the mimetype for *.php files |
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| 18:43.09 | greycat | Malkavian`TuX: uh.... testing potentially gets new packages from unstable EVERY day. |
| 18:43.09 | Malkavian`TuX | but i touched too much the sources.list and maybe me and apt are crazy XDDD |
| 18:43.18 | greycat | Malkavian`TuX: it has NOTHING to do with debian weekly news. |
| 18:43.27 | Gathond | Genscher: have you installed the correct libapache-mod-php package for your apache? (1.x and 2 has different packages) |
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| 18:43.49 | Genscher | i did here: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
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| 18:44.07 | darkness1 | eeyore: I'm currently running throug the basic-inter course on linux.org. Getting to grips with cmd line.I am however interested in security. |
| 18:44.24 | eeyore- | Genscher: you probably forgot to load the php apache module, then |
| 18:44.25 | Genscher | Gathond: i don't know. i just type "aptitude install libapache-mod-php" i have apache 1.x |
| 18:44.41 | Gathond | that should be the right one then |
| 18:44.42 | Genscher | eeyore-: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 18:44.43 | Genscher | AddModule mod_php4.c |
| 18:44.54 | eeyore- | darkness1: i thought you were talking about course from local colleges online :) |
| 18:44.57 | Genscher | restarts without problems :/ |
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| 18:45.14 | Genscher | but obviously the module doesn't get loaded |
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| 18:45.21 | eeyore- | genshe: is your php file legit? (<?php .... and so on?) |
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| 18:45.42 | eeyore- | Genscher: it's not obvious yet |
| 18:45.42 | greycat | Genscher: what does "telnet localhost 80" and then "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" and then enter twice, give you for the server line? |
| 18:46.01 | darkness1 | eeyore: If they are at a competative price i may be interested in the links if you have any :-) |
| 18:46.45 | eeyore- | darkness1: that would depend on where you live. i live in irvine, ca, and my employer does have education incentive ... should take some one of these days ;) always wanted to do some hardware work |
| 18:47.01 | eeyore- | darkness1: i wonder if they'll pay for a shop class like welding and stuff :-)))))))) |
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| 18:47.15 | ddt | hi everybody, i've got a problem when printing from firefox (and only from firefox), what i print is 400% zoomed (i use CUPS with a samba shared printer) |
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| 18:47.37 | enkrav | Please, have a look at this: http://pastebin.com/364747 HOw can this be? |
| 18:47.49 | Genscher | greycat: i'll check that |
| 18:47.53 | darkness1 | eeyore :-P |
| 18:48.53 | Genscher | greycat: ok, LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 18:48.53 | Genscher | AddModule mod_php4.c |
| 18:48.57 | Genscher | argh* |
| 18:48.58 | darkness1 | eeyore: I'm not in the IT buisness.Wish i was seeing a friend of mine land a job in Aussie buisness class at £5k and a nice apartment overlooking Sydney harbour :-P |
| 18:49.07 | tazman | enkrav: mkdir test;ls -latr |
| 18:49.12 | Genscher | greycat: damn... it's Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-16 mod_perl/1.29 |
| 18:49.18 | greycat | Genscher: then the module is loaded. |
| 18:49.29 | greycat | Genscher: where did you put the addhandler line> |
| 18:49.30 | greycat | ? |
| 18:49.36 | eeyore- | enkrav: it's a file. you can "cd" into a file |
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| 18:49.49 | Genscher | where it was before. in httpd.conf |
| 18:49.49 | darkness1 | eeyore: Anyhow i'm from the uk.I've passed my ccna and would just like some focus to my studies instead of learning snipets so to speak. |
| 18:50.03 | Malkavian`TuX | well it seems that I had a bad actualized mirror and now I have a lot of delayed actualizations with this new mirror |
| 18:50.03 | greycat | err, AddType |
| 18:50.04 | eeyore- | enkrav: if it's a script, you probably edited it in MSDOS editor and have <cr><lf> line endings. UNIX doesn't like this for script files |
| 18:50.13 | greycat | Genscher: *where* in the httpd.conf file? |
| 18:50.16 | eeyore- | enkrav: because the first line (the magic #! line) will be broken :-p |
| 18:50.24 | greycat | inside a <Directory> block? |
| 18:50.27 | enkrav | it is actually a binary file (c++ |
| 18:50.46 | enkrav | and I cannot run it despite its rwx mode |
| 18:50.54 | greycat | enkrav: ./foo |
| 18:51.04 | eeyore- | enkrav: "file sandokan" |
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| 18:51.07 | Genscher | no, it a view lines after "Addlanguage" |
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| 18:51.20 | greycat | Genscher: should work... |
| 18:51.25 | enkrav | (compiled on the same debian system) (sandokan: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
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| 18:51.46 | Genscher | greycat: hm, all tzhe other modules have something like that: <IfModule mod_perl.c> ... |
| 18:51.49 | Genscher | *the |
| 18:51.59 | Malkavian`TuX | bye |
| 18:52.03 | eeyore- | enkrav: ldd sandokan |
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| 18:52.24 | enkrav | eeyore-, i did it, but nothing interesting (AFAIK) |
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| 18:52.49 | enkrav | as a side note, I reboted in suse and it didn't work either |
| 18:52.55 | enkrav | even after a recompile |
| 18:53.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 702] by debhelper |
| 18:53.09 | greycat | enkrav: are you inside a chroot? |
| 18:53.14 | enkrav | no |
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| 18:53.39 | greycat | enkrav: what does "ldd sandokan | grep ld" say? should be one line. |
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| 18:54.25 | enkrav | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) |
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| 18:54.33 | greycat | enkrav: does that exist? |
| 18:54.44 | asuffield | bloody well better |
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| 18:54.46 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 May 27 11:16 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.3.2.so |
| 18:54.49 | eeyore- | enkrav: you sure it doesn't have any unresolved libs? |
| 18:54.50 | greycat | asuffield: indeed. |
| 18:55.03 | asuffield | otherwise that ldd command shouldn't have worked :P |
| 18:55.08 | eeyore- | asuffield: sounds to me like he moved the binary around from one system to another |
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| 18:55.31 | greycat | asuffield: ldd is a script, so ... who knows. |
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| 18:55.53 | Zenethian | eggy is speshul |
| 18:55.54 | asuffield | greycat: me :P |
| 18:56.04 | asuffield | greycat: the real code's in ld-linux.so.2, the glibc dynamic loader |
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| 18:56.09 | enkrav | ldd exists ld-linux.so.2 -> ld-2.3.2.so |
| 18:56.21 | asuffield | I think he's on a filesystem mounted noexec or something stupid like that |
| 18:56.36 | greycat | asuffield: hmm... I would've expected a different error. |
| 18:56.46 | enkrav | no, not something sooo stupid!! |
| 18:56.49 | eeyore- | asuffield: it's in his ~ |
| 18:56.56 | greycat | enkrav: a file system mounted with "user" is also "noexec". |
| 18:57.02 | eeyore- | it's ~/usr/bin, odd location |
| 18:57.07 | Zenethian | by "stupid" you mean "blatently obvious" :) |
| 18:57.19 | enkrav | eeyore- yes, odd, but I wanted to test make install without root |
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| 18:57.23 | asuffield | I mean more "ridiculous mount option to have set for this location" |
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| 18:57.34 | setuid | /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/apt/update: line 42: 2728 Bus error $APTGET $OPTS "$APT_OPT0" "$APT_OPT1" update |
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| 18:57.35 | Ajeet | So, I'm thinking of buying a Mac, is Debian PPC like other Linux PPX distros where they have less features/packages available, or is it fully functional? |
| 18:57.37 | setuid | Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 18:57.39 | eeyore- | enkrav: you're *sure* it's not chroot? |
| 18:57.42 | asuffield | anyway, ENOENT can't be an ELF load error |
| 18:57.43 | setuid | Ajeet: Identical |
| 18:57.48 | greycat | enkrav: what are the mount options on the file system that it's in? |
| 18:57.56 | Ajeet | setuid: Thanks! |
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| 18:58.02 | Zenethian | boink |
| 18:58.11 | setuid | # apt-get remove --purge webmin ntop |
| 18:58.11 | setuid | Bus errorackage lists... 0% |
| 18:58.12 | setuid | hrm |
| 18:58.16 | tgwj | Ajeet, afaik debian ppc is just as complete as x86 debian |
| 18:58.17 | enkrav | /dev/hda3 /home reiserfs defaults 1 2 |
| 18:58.20 | setuid | What's with the "Bus error" with dpkg now? |
| 18:58.32 | eeyore- | enkrav: could reiserfs be screwed up? :-) |
| 18:58.35 | asuffield | ricerfs, whee |
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| 18:58.48 | asuffield | go fsck that |
| 18:58.59 | greycat | enkrav: if you build a hello world program with either C or C++, does *that* run? |
| 18:59.00 | Ajeet | Cool, because I know the new SuSE PPC is half the distro x86 SuSE is... |
| 18:59.14 | asuffield | if it still doesn't work, run 'strace -o trace /lib/ld-linux.so.2 ./whatever' and collect the output |
| 18:59.19 | enkrav | Yes, other programs run, (even supertux) |
| 18:59.22 | Ajeet | ... And I better not mention the "u word" in here... |
| 18:59.25 | Ajeet | :) |
| 18:59.27 | eeyore- | enkrav: maybe the filesystem is screwd up and it can't actually find the actual program when you tried to run it ... |
| 18:59.34 | greycat | enkrav: I meant, of course, one that you build in that *same* directory. |
| 18:59.40 | setuid | asuffield: How can I purge and rebuild my package database? |
| 18:59.43 | setuid | Something's corrupt in here |
| 18:59.44 | nutshell42 | if I've accidently deleted a config file in /etc how do I get it back? I've read it's dpkg --force-confmiss but that doesn't work |
| 18:59.48 | asuffield | why are you asking me? |
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| 18:59.59 | setuid | Because you have all the answers ;) |
| 19:00.04 | greycat | nutshell42: be more vague. don't tell us what package or what file. don't even tell us what command you ran. |
| 19:00.10 | tgwj | Ajeet, debian respects other architectures.... and supports lots |
| 19:00.21 | tgwj | and suse is intel-fixated crap |
| 19:01.03 | nutshell42 | greycat: why does it matter which package? That question applies to all packages, I just want apt-get to reinstall deleted config files in a package |
| 19:01.09 | Ajeet | Yes, well I'm sure even Debian won't support PPC for too long, what with Apple turning to Intel. |
| 19:01.19 | nutshell42 | instead of telling me "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/auto.master" |
| 19:01.21 | greycat | nutshell42: because you probably used the WRONG package name. |
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| 19:01.29 | Gathond | Ajeet: sure they will, the still support m68k |
| 19:01.32 | eeyore- | nutshell42: because some packages copy config files themselves, perhaps? |
| 19:01.44 | asuffield | Ajeet: good grief, why? apple have never been the biggest or most interesting suppliers of powerpc hardware |
| 19:01.53 | Gathond | Ajeet: and that is from the Amiga and the before mac apple days :) |
| 19:01.55 | greycat | well, autofs is the package for /etc/auto.master and it does show up in dpkg -L autofs. |
| 19:01.56 | nutshell42 | then why does it tell me that it's not going to replace the file? |
| 19:02.03 | asuffield | losing their marshmallow products isn't going to put much of a dent in the market for powerpc chips |
| 19:02.03 | enkrav | greycat Hello world in the same directory worked |
| 19:02.10 | eeyore- | Ajeet: why would you want apple hardware *now*? considering they're moving to PC arch |
| 19:02.21 | Gathond | Ajeet: besides that I think debian might be more geared towards the bit IBM power based servers and not mac's |
| 19:02.26 | mwelsh | I'm trying to delete some files that I extracted to my home directory, but i'm getting problems. Apparently I'm not the owner of the files. I've pasted the output into #flood |
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| 19:02.38 | greycat | mwelsh: so chown them. |
| 19:02.54 | Genscher | greycat: there is something wrong. if i tell "stop" and sten "start" he tells me that php4_module and mod_php4.c are already loaded |
| 19:02.55 | asuffield | hell, the whole *reason* why apple dumped powerpc was because they were being sidelined in the powerpc market, in favour of the real systems |
| 19:03.03 | nutshell42 | greycat: thanks but I know that, but how do I get the file out of the package? preferably so that I don't have to move them around by hand? |
| 19:03.07 | setuid | Or not |
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| 19:03.17 | greycat | Genscher: so you have two loadmodule commands in the conf file. big deal. |
| 19:03.21 | setuid | Its about economy of scale, pricing, and lower power consumption |
| 19:03.32 | Genscher | hm :/ |
| 19:03.34 | greycat | nutshell42: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/autofs*.deb |
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| 19:03.39 | mwelsh | greycat: "Operation not permitted" |
| 19:03.44 | greycat | mwelsh: as root. |
| 19:03.44 | enkrav | greycat, eeyore- etc., I do a fsck, bye |
| 19:03.45 | LaidBack_01 | hi, trying to debug Xorg right now, what's the 2&1 stuff I use at the end of the command to capture all it's output? |
| 19:03.50 | Genscher | hm, i'll "purge" everything... |
| 19:03.51 | eeyore- | enkr: copy the file "sandokan" to another name, execute the new file |
| 19:03.53 | Genscher | maybe with apache |
| 19:03.54 | mwelsh | greycat: I dont have root on the box |
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| 19:04.00 | mwelsh | greycat: its not mine |
| 19:04.04 | greycat | LaidBack_01: 2>&1 redirects stderr to the same place stdout is currently going. |
| 19:04.09 | greycat | LaidBack_01: /topic #bash |
| 19:04.21 | eeyore- | another victim of reiserfs, you think? |
| 19:04.21 | LaidBack_01 | thanks |
| 19:04.22 | greycat | mwelsh: then how did you manage to chown the files to someone else in the first place? |
| 19:04.30 | greycat | mwelsh: what OS *is* it? surely not Debian. |
| 19:04.37 | mwelsh | greycat: i just extracted the tar.gz |
| 19:04.41 | greycat | mwelsh: uname -a |
| 19:04.53 | nutshell42 | greycat: As I've already said, that doesn't work |
| 19:05.02 | mwelsh | Linux sango.simoniac.com 2.4.18-sb #1 Tue Jul 27 20:27:05 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:05.02 | nutshell42 | that was the reason I came here in the first place |
| 19:05.05 | greycat | nutshell42: you never stated the full command you used. |
| 19:05.08 | eeyore- | so ... how could you use reiserfs in production system, for real, as in "my ass in on the line if the filesystem screws up" ... i don't get it |
| 19:05.10 | greycat | nutshell42: we get a LOT of stupid people here. |
| 19:05.15 | greycat | nutshell42: so I have to assume the worst. |
| 19:05.16 | mwelsh | greycat: im on linux ssh'd into it |
| 19:05.24 | mwelsh | s/linux/debian |
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| 19:05.35 | nutshell42 | greycat: sorry =) |
| 19:05.40 | Ajeet | eeyore: I really want Apple hardware, especially as I use it at work, I don't think I can wait for Intel macs, need my own workstation/notebook... Can't do anything interesting with Linux on the home family PC... |
| 19:05.44 | greycat | mwelsh: I don't see how you could have gotten into that situation in the first place on a Debian system. |
| 19:05.54 | greycat | mwelsh: but if you can't chown them, just rm them. that's the only fix. |
| 19:05.58 | eeyore- | Ajeet: so, buy an *interesting* pc |
| 19:06.01 | defcon8 | anyone know a solution to E segfaulting when you open the net menu |
| 19:06.10 | eeyore- | Ajeet: you still didn't say why you want *mac hardware* |
| 19:06.28 | eeyore- | Ajeet: you like the components? name some that are quality beyond the processor |
| 19:06.38 | greycat | nutshell42: I don't see why you're worried about it anyway. the default /etc/auto.master is basically all comments. |
| 19:06.46 | eeyore- | Ajeet: maybe you like the plastics? |
| 19:06.51 | Zenethian | defcon8: yes, don't use the net menu. |
| 19:07.07 | nutshell42 | greycat: I just tried rearranging the options (thought the order could matter perhaps) but that doesn't help either nor removing the package and reinstalling it. I'll have to do it by hand. |
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| 19:07.21 | crocd | I am having probs with kbdconfig on my system, it doesnt seem to accept the fact that I am using a UK keyboard. any suggestions? |
| 19:07.27 | greycat | nutshell42: there are no "options" in the default auto.master |
| 19:07.52 | nutshell42 | greycat: I wanted an example so I wouldn't have to read the manpage =P I thought that would be faster, then it didn't work, then I thought, that feature could be useful let's ask the guys in #debian |
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| 19:08.04 | Ajeet | It's fairly new to me, Mac OS X is very cool indeed, I just need something fresh to learn, if I buy a PPC Mac, I'm not too worried about support as Apple and other distros, i.e. Debian will surely support it for a few years yet... So yeah, I don't REALLY need to justify buying a Mac to you... |
| 19:08.05 | greycat | # Format of this file: |
| 19:08.05 | greycat | # mountpoint map options |
| 19:08.05 | greycat | # For details of the format look at autofs(8). |
| 19:08.12 | greycat | that's what it has, basically. |
| 19:08.19 | Ajeet | *e.g* |
| 19:08.26 | nutshell42 | oh, and it's about the 3 other config files for autofs too =) |
| 19:08.34 | greycat | the sid one has: |
| 19:08.35 | greycat | # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location |
| 19:08.35 | greycat | # For details of the format look at autofs(5). |
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| 19:08.41 | eeyore- | mwelsh: tar would not arbitrarily chown the files to some other owner (you don't have root permission, so you can't, so tar, in turn, can't) |
| 19:08.43 | defcon8 | Zenethian, please be serious |
| 19:08.56 | eeyore- | mwelsh: unless the tar program was setuid-root, but that's stupid, who would do that? |
| 19:08.59 | greycat | eeyore-: unless he has a setuid tar... |
| 19:09.04 | eeyore- | greycat: right :) |
| 19:09.09 | nutshell42 | greycat: ais, I'm gonna read the manpage, thx for your troubles |
| 19:09.23 | asuffield | tar doesn't attempt to preserve permissions unless you either feed it -p or have uid 0, anyway |
| 19:09.32 | asuffield | permissions? owners |
| 19:09.32 | eeyore- | mwelsh: "tar --no-same-owner " should do it |
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| 19:09.57 | greycat | asuffield: but the point is, if he ran tar as a non-UID-0 user, it should have created the files *as* himself. |
| 19:10.19 | greycat | asuffield: and unless he's on a kernel that permits giving away files with chown, they'd *stay* his. |
| 19:10.37 | Zenethian | defcon8: don't use E? Give us a log of some sort to look at? run E usinga debugger to see where it crashes? who knows. it could be 400000 different things. |
| 19:11.05 | asuffield | hngnn, -p is permissions, been too long since I last did that |
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| 19:11.48 | eeyore- | btw, i'm still curious about commercial use of reiserfs. does anybody know of any, that can't afford to lose files without consequence? |
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| 19:11.58 | DEbian_testing | Hi! |
| 19:12.10 | defcon8 | Zenethian, i know this is a known bug though |
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| 19:12.44 | DEbian_testing | Do you know some package basic and easy, for download it sourcecode? |
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| 19:12.56 | DEbian_testing | I want program for Linux! |
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| 19:13.09 | Zenethian | defcon8: if it is a known bug then there are two situations, either the person who found the bug found a work-around, or has made note that there is no workaround. |
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| 19:13.20 | greycat | DEbian_testing: a program that does what? |
| 19:13.29 | eeyore- | Zenethian: i like your workaround ... don't open the net menu |
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| 19:13.48 | Zenethian | :) |
| 19:13.51 | greycat | DEbian_testing: if you mean "I want *to* program for linux...", try "apt-get source hello". the canonical GNU example program. |
| 19:14.01 | Zenethian | "Does it hurt when you do that?" "yeah" "Well, don't do that." |
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| 19:15.06 | DEbian_testing | greycat: Thanks |
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| 19:15.32 | eeyore- | greycat: jump right into C? no shell scripting or python in between? |
| 19:15.40 | Zenethian | arr! |
| 19:15.42 | Zenethian | Python yummy |
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| 19:16.05 | mypapit | Zenethian, :) |
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| 19:17.08 | greycat | eeyore-: he was a bit non-specific. |
| 19:17.39 | greycat | !dbugs 328113 |
| 19:17.42 | darkness1 | Hi, can someone try www.metawire.net and see if my space holder page comes up? |
| 19:17.44 | dpkg | DONE:#328113:W[passwd] man page improvements for passwd.5; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:18:04 UTC |
| 19:17.52 | greycat | a vast improvement over the find.1 fiasco. |
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| 19:18.08 | eeyore- | what fiasco? |
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| 19:18.20 | greycat | !dbugs 111578 |
| 19:18.24 | dpkg | DONE:#111578:W[findutils] patch to add examples to find(1) man page; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:48:01 UTC |
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| 19:20.16 | MooseShapedFrog | anyone here help me with a debian oracle install I have a crazy problem! |
| 19:20.21 | Fleck | how big is VAT in US? |
| 19:20.26 | greycat | Fleck: 0 |
| 19:20.32 | Fleck | m? |
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| 19:20.52 | asuffield | their tax system is much more stupid than that |
| 19:20.54 | greycat | the US has no national sales tax. states and other local regions may impose a sales tax. |
| 19:20.55 | eeyore- | Fleck: there is no VAT in the US, it's different system |
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| 19:21.10 | Fleck | ohh |
| 19:21.14 | Fleck | i see :/ |
| 19:21.15 | eeyore- | Fleck: it depends on the states and locality |
| 19:21.19 | asuffield | I've never seen anything quite so absurd, bureaucratically mired, or designed for the continued employment of accountants, as the US tax system |
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| 19:21.50 | eeyore- | asuffield: what does making one arbitrary VAT superior? :) |
| 19:21.51 | Fleck | eeyore- ok do you know one state where is and how big is it there? |
| 19:21.58 | asuffield | eeyore-: it's *simple* |
| 19:22.14 | asuffield | eeyore-: you don't need to hire an accountant to figure out what something is actually going to cost |
| 19:22.15 | eeyore- | asuffield: riiiight, but it's a compromise for everybody |
| 19:22.17 | greycat | Fleck: in Cleveland the total of state and local taxes is 7.75% |
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| 19:22.23 | stew | Fleck: in new hampsire its 0% |
| 19:22.26 | greycat | Fleck: it's lower in the rest of Ohio outside Cuyahoga county. |
| 19:22.40 | aeronadix | my font on xchat is so small, how do I change it? |
| 19:22.44 | eeyore- | see? i *like* variable taxes when it works to my advantage :) |
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| 19:22.48 | priest | greycat:: In Sweden we have 55 % |
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| 19:22.58 | greycat | priest: *sales* tax?? |
| 19:23.07 | eeyore- | priest: holy sh.t |
| 19:23.16 | lazlo | i have amd64 system.. i want to install debian.. which media cd should i download ia64? |
| 19:23.20 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 19:23.20 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 19:23.22 | lazlo | its the only one i see that says 64 |
| 19:23.24 | greycat | ia64 is NOT amd64. |
| 19:23.24 | eeyore- | priest: maybe income tax? |
| 19:23.26 | valdyn | greycat: denmark is ~24%, i really doubt that sweden is 55% |
| 19:23.40 | Gathond | valdyn: 25% iirc |
| 19:23.40 | priest | eeyore-:: Yes, i was reading wrong :) |
| 19:23.47 | greycat | I've heard sweden has high *income* taxes. |
| 19:23.53 | valdyn | Gathond: yea, hence my ~ i wasnt sure ) |
| 19:24.00 | eeyore- | priest: that's still hefty income tax. goes to support social programs? |
| 19:24.12 | priest | eeyore-:: Yes, |
| 19:24.23 | priest | eeyore-:: The sales tax is 25 % |
| 19:24.36 | greycat | the US tax goes to support social programs too! like the social program in Iraq. |
| 19:24.48 | eeyore- | OK, no matter what asuffield says about the US tax system ... i like it just fine |
| 19:24.51 | asuffield | you need to consider the actual minimum tax anyway, which is the total of any sales tax and any income tax |
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| 19:25.01 | eeyore- | at least i'm not paying 55% income tax and 25% sales tax |
| 19:25.10 | asuffield | (actual paid tax is the minimum plus some multiple of the income tax) |
| 19:25.31 | greycat | sales tax doesn't work like income tax, though. |
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| 19:25.46 | asuffield | the effect on your cost of living is the same |
| 19:25.49 | eeyore- | greycat: you don't pay sales tax on certain necessities |
| 19:25.52 | geoffb | What channel is for debian-installer? I can't find such in the channel list . . . . |
| 19:26.05 | stew | eeyore-: depending on where you are |
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| 19:26.18 | Crak_otak | hi |
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| 19:26.22 | eeyore- | stew: true, you don't in chicago and ca :) |
| 19:26.27 | valdyn | geoffb: debian-boot |
| 19:26.29 | greycat | eeyore-: yes, that too, but income tax takes *away* money you would have had, a straight chunk of your income is just *gone* (and the government now has personal data on you). With a sales tax, things just become more expensive. |
| 19:26.33 | geoffb | valdyn, thanks |
| 19:26.38 | Crak_otak | someone could help me configuring an usb wifi adaptor as an ap ? |
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| 19:26.59 | greycat | eeyore-: stupid example: if you had a 100% income tax, you would have no money. if you had a 100% sales tax, you would only have half as much money effectively. |
| 19:27.05 | eeyore- | greycat: you mean finance everything through single universal sales tax .... |
| 19:27.23 | Lumination | greycat: the information that they get on you is worse than the money that's gone |
| 19:27.25 | darkness1 | greycat: Doesn't a big bunch of people have personal data on all of us though? |
| 19:27.39 | Lumination | greycat: I don't mind paying for the amenities that we Americans have |
| 19:27.43 | eeyore- | darkness1: yeah, we already lost that a long time ago |
| 19:27.57 | selim | can someone help me with an apache2 intallation, I've made an apt-get remove --purge apache2 and tried an apt-get install apache2 afterwards, but there is no start script of apache2 |
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| 19:28.12 | greycat | anyway, we're getting a bit off topic here. |
| 19:28.13 | selim | why has it not been installed with the apt-get install apache2 |
| 19:28.36 | greycat | selim: it's probably in some dependent package, like apache2-common |
| 19:28.45 | greycat | !depends apache2 sarge |
| 19:28.47 | dpkg | apache2: depends on apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.0.54-4) | apache2-mpm-prefork (= 2.0.54-4) | apache2-mpm-perchild (= 2.0.54-4) |
| 19:28.54 | greycat | or one of those. |
| 19:28.59 | eeyore- | greycat: since when are we always on topic? this is interesting |
| 19:29.28 | valdyn | !find init.d/apache2 |
| 19:29.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'init.d/apache2' (1): (/etc/init.d/apache2) in net/apache2-common. |
| 19:29.39 | selim | greycat: how can I remove all packages concerning apache2? |
| 19:29.40 | greycat | or that. |
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| 19:29.47 | valdyn | selim: see what dpkg said.. |
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| 19:29.48 | greycat | selim: apt-get --purge remove apache2-common |
| 19:29.55 | eeyore- | selim: remove the -common package |
| 19:30.12 | eeyore- | selim: and hope it works :-) |
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| 19:30.53 | None | How do I set the QTDIR environment so I can compile a kernel? |
| 19:30.59 | greycat | wrong question. |
| 19:31.11 | selim | @greycat thank you |
| 19:31.15 | antilop | I've problem with acpid package, could anyone help me? |
| 19:31.18 | stew | None: /msg dpkg xconfig |
| 19:31.21 | valdyn | None: use 'make menuconfig' |
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| 19:31.28 | greycat | 1) why am I using make xconfig instead of make menuconfig? 2) which -dev package do I need to install to get the QT headers and libs? |
| 19:31.33 | Lumination | lag argh |
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| 19:31.41 | stew | greycat: /msg dpkg xconfig :P |
| 19:31.49 | valdyn | !xconfig |
| 19:31.50 | dpkg | xconfig is, like, for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev (woody) or libqt3-dev (sarge or sid), or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig |
| 19:31.51 | Lumination | is there a faster server than brown.freenode.net? |
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| 19:31.55 | eeyore- | IMHO, "xconfig" using Qt is fugly |
| 19:32.04 | lemur | I always liked menuconfig better, but that's probably because I distrust an X application that like materializes out of a make script. :-/ |
| 19:32.07 | greycat | Lumination: I think most of them move at an average speed of 0 mph. |
| 19:32.10 | Lumination | (stupid question, I'm sure, but I don't know what it is) |
| 19:32.22 | joachim | hey. i want to chown my whole /home/joachim directory with all the hidden .kde files and such, how can i do that? |
| 19:32.25 | lemur | and it probably also has something to do with the fact that I think the terminal menu actually looks better :) |
| 19:32.28 | greycat | joachim: chown -R |
| 19:32.33 | greycat | joachim: AND BE CAREFUL. |
| 19:32.34 | joachim | no |
| 19:32.37 | joachim | that won't work |
| 19:32.41 | greycat | yes it will. |
| 19:32.48 | joachim | chown -R only works for non hidden files and dirs |
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| 19:32.57 | greycat | no, you just used it wrong. you put /* on the end. |
| 19:33.07 | eeyore- | joachim: eh, what? |
| 19:33.07 | greycat | point it at the *directory*, not the *-list of files. |
| 19:33.10 | netgod | joachim: chown -R . instead of * |
| 19:33.13 | None | It is for a 2.6 kernel and I have the libqt3-dev package installed? |
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| 19:33.50 | joachim | greycat: ok it worked ;-) |
| 19:33.51 | eeyore- | joachim: like it's been said before, when you do /*, you actually let the shell do pattern expansion for you. and the shell doesn't match "hidden" files |
| 19:34.01 | joachim | greycat: i've been using * instead which didn't do the trick |
| 19:34.03 | greycat | unless you tell it to. |
| 19:34.05 | joachim | greycat: thanks very much |
| 19:34.13 | greycat | bash has a dotglob option that will change it. |
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| 19:34.25 | antilop | acpid package doesn't work with 2.4.27 kernel, i installed 2.6.8 kernel, now it works but when i close my monitor(laptop) gdm view goes down and never come back until rebooting from power button |
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| 19:34.48 | None | sorry, meant the libqt4-dev package, so I should install the libqt3-dev package then? |
| 19:35.03 | valdyn | !laptops |
| 19:35.03 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 19:35.07 | darkness1 | Can someone please tell me if www.metawire.net is up and responding? |
| 19:35.08 | valdyn | antilop: ^^^ |
| 19:35.22 | greycat | darkness1: yes. |
| 19:35.31 | eeyore- | darkness1: yes |
| 19:35.38 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.49 | darkness1 | Cool, i just need a little work doing on it :-P |
| 19:36.01 | darkness1 | html or xhtml ? |
| 19:36.05 | tarzeau | darkness1: cgi |
| 19:36.09 | darkness1 | eww. |
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| 19:36.26 | darkness1 | I don't know zip about cgi :-( |
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| 19:36.39 | jaster | any dpkg hackers on? |
| 19:36.39 | eeyore- | darkness1: ignore my attempts to log in :-) |
| 19:36.42 | greycat | darkness1: start with HTML then :) |
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| 19:36.48 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
| 19:36.51 | darkness1 | eeyore :-) |
| 19:36.51 | eeyore- | darkness1: at least you didn't use obvious passwords |
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| 19:37.00 | tarzeau | eeyore-: haha |
| 19:37.04 | darkness1 | eeyore: quite :-) |
| 19:37.16 | valdyn | !tell jaster -about ask |
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| 19:37.27 | maffelu_ | ask me if I'm still having nvidia troubles! |
| 19:37.32 | black_Nightmare | I know this is a bit OT but I seem to have no luck so decided to ask..anyone might have any idea on finding a site with specific instructions for how to get linux (debian woody too) to run on a nubus macintosh like the 5200 for starters? |
| 19:37.39 | greycat | maffelu_: got an ATI yet? |
| 19:37.51 | tarzeau | maffelu_: using nv or vesa driver? |
| 19:38.01 | jaster | anyone know how to get dpkg to sign binaries with bsign when installing them? :) |
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| 19:38.13 | tarzeau | black_Nightmare: forget it |
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| 19:38.25 | eeyore- | blackpit: last i used linux on nubus mac, it had to be a specific distro |
| 19:38.25 | greycat | jaster: uh.... edit the postinstall script in every package? |
| 19:38.29 | eeyore- | back_ni: ^^^ |
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| 19:38.32 | eeyore- | nevermind |
| 19:38.33 | maffelu_ | tarzeau and greycat no, I still use nvidia |
| 19:38.40 | jaster | greycat: umm i was hoping to avoid that! :P |
| 19:38.59 | black_Nightmare | tarzeau....umm why? |
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| 19:39.12 | jaster | greycat: i was hopeing to find a dpkg hacker, as the code is a little shall we say non obvious :) |
| 19:39.33 | greycat | jaster: debian-devel mailing list |
| 19:39.33 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: linux kernel (recent) has no nubus support, you need special bootloader, etc. |
| 19:39.42 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: it's really not worth the hassle |
| 19:40.02 | black_Nightmare | eeyore- what did you think when I said 'nubus' too? |
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| 19:40.23 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: i have a pmac 5100 and it was not pleasant under ... mklinux? |
| 19:40.24 | black_Nightmare | only if that bookmark was still there somewhere but can't find it now :-/ |
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| 19:40.35 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: i mean, it works, but ... go look for mklinux |
| 19:41.00 | tarzeau | debian's got no mklinux afaik |
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| 19:41.35 | antilop | is there anyone here who can help me about acpid, battery monitor and suspend command |
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| 19:41.50 | eeyore- | bbl, lunch |
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| 19:42.00 | tarzeau | antilop: certainly nobody that can read your mind for the details |
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| 19:42.16 | black_Nightmare | oh finally...someone found it for me... "installing linux on the performa 6320" :p |
| 19:42.29 | greycat | !ppc |
| 19:42.29 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 19:42.44 | valdyn | antilop: its different for *every* laptop, which is why there is those sites i showed you, did you read the howto for your model yet? |
| 19:42.56 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: performa isn't nubus, i don't think |
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| 19:43.49 | None | heheh, magiccookie error for X under a different user now, but seems to have solved the original problem :-) |
| 19:43.52 | myren | hmmm, reverse page tables |
| 19:43.55 | antilop | valdyn: actually i searched but i could not find anything |
| 19:43.59 | myren | i love reverse page tables, but i cannot remember why |
| 19:44.01 | black_Nightmare | eeyore- they are...apple oftenly called them "powerpc performa" for some reason |
| 19:44.05 | larrikin | hmm.. if I look at the dependencies on debian-installer, I can't get a successful combination of slang/newt libraries even out of stable .. what's going on ? |
| 19:44.07 | black_Nightmare | some site only list them as powerpc alone |
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| 19:44.37 | greycat | larrikin: ask #debian-boot |
| 19:44.47 | larrikin | greycat: ok thanks |
| 19:44.50 | antilop | valdyn: can you suggest any sites about dell latitude? |
| 19:44.55 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: oh, it has that PDS slot ... processor-direct-slot |
| 19:44.59 | valdyn | !laptops |
| 19:44.59 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 19:45.02 | jaster | myren: reverse page tables are quicker on athlons? |
| 19:45.05 | valdyn | antilop: ^^^ |
| 19:45.26 | antilop | ok, thanks |
| 19:45.29 | black_Nightmare | eeyore- yes it does...its actually called 'lc pds' by the way |
| 19:45.46 | black_Nightmare | 'lc pds' was named because the card mounts flat to the logic board (original came from the LC's themself) |
| 19:46.10 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: well, good luck :) let me know if you get debian on it as i still have the 5100 in the garage somewhere |
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| 19:46.28 | black_Nightmare | eeyore- hmm you sure its a '5100' ? |
| 19:46.31 | black_Nightmare | not a '6100' ? |
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| 19:46.49 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: radius clone, whatever its equiv in mac is |
| 19:46.59 | black_Nightmare | ohhh... |
| 19:47.02 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: yeah, probably close to 6100 |
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| 19:47.40 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: nice case, nice motherboard layout, noisy fan, minor problems ... slow tho |
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| 19:48.03 | black_Nightmare | hmm I only see a radius 100 or radius 81/110 but descriptions says both are based off the 8100 |
| 19:48.23 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: yeah! now i remember :) it's 81/110 |
| 19:48.29 | black_Nightmare | I think I noticed a few mailing list threads re linux and 8100 in the search engine before..you should try look it up if you want to |
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| 19:49.17 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: it's got like 8 SIMM slots or something |
| 19:49.33 | Genscher | got it working!!!! |
| 19:49.50 | black_Nightmare | eeyore- sounds like its taking low-amount 30pin simms to me I think |
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| 19:50.19 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: i'm pretty max memory is around 264MB-ish |
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| 19:50.33 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: 256MB + 8MB on motherboard |
| 19:50.54 | black_Nightmare | eeyore- hmm I checked again and well yeah 32mb simms *if you can find them* :p |
| 19:51.09 | black_Nightmare | they have to go in matched pairs btw |
| 19:51.20 | eeyore- | black_Nightmare: may have used some from Suns, been a while |
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| 19:52.40 | black_Nightmare | going off for now so bye |
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| 19:53.26 | shawarma | Does Debian include ocfs drivers in the standard kernel images now a days? |
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| 19:54.36 | darkmasterr | hi |
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| 19:54.51 | Toba | I've got a .deb file |
| 19:54.54 | Toba | and I need to install from it |
| 19:54.55 | maffelu_ | which one? |
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| 19:55.03 | maffelu_ | is it the red one? |
| 19:55.04 | Toba | it's for wpa_supplicant |
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| 19:55.18 | Toba | maffelu_: are you just being unhelpful right now? |
| 19:55.19 | maffelu_ | new issue |
| 19:55.20 | maffelu_ | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
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| 19:55.23 | maffelu_ | I'm going nuts |
| 19:55.29 | Toba | o_0 |
| 19:55.31 | maffelu_ | I can''t get my computer working, and noone can help me |
| 19:55.36 | Toba | same ;( |
| 19:55.40 | nkuttler | maffelu_: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 19:55.41 | Toba | but my computer works |
| 19:55.46 | Toba | I just need dpkg to work |
| 19:55.49 | nkuttler | Toba: dpkg -i it? |
| 19:55.52 | Toba | and I can't figure it out from this useless manpage |
| 19:55.55 | Toba | thanks nkuttler |
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| 19:56.07 | nkuttler | Toba: next time just read the manpage... |
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| 19:56.11 | Toba | I did |
| 19:56.16 | Toba | meh |
| 19:56.20 | maffelu_ | I need more then a manpage help here |
| 19:56.23 | Toba | it wasn't helpful to a semi-noob usch as me |
| 19:56.25 | maffelu_ | I have nvidia driver problems |
| 19:56.32 | maffelu_ | dmesg claims I have two drivers installed |
| 19:56.39 | Rickyx | Does resizing a Logical Volume also resize the filesystem automatically ? |
| 19:56.41 | *** part/#debian patois (n=patois@patois.net1.nerim.net) |
| 19:56.44 | maffelu_ | the 7174 and the 7676 |
| 19:56.44 | nkuttler | maffelu_: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 19:56.47 | maffelu_ | I did that |
| 19:56.54 | maffelu_ | that's not the main issue |
| 19:56.54 | nkuttler | maffelu_: then read what the bot says |
| 19:57.01 | maffelu_ | it said nothing usefull |
| 19:57.05 | maffelu_ | problem is the drivers |
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| 19:57.11 | maffelu_ | the drives are wrong |
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| 19:57.15 | nkuttler | !tell maffelu_ about errors |
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| 19:57.21 | Eliteforce | hi |
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| 19:57.41 | maffelu_ | I isntalled the 7676 drivers, but when I start X it says I have 7174 drivers, and they are not compatible, that's the problem I have |
| 19:57.55 | Eliteforce | how can i make a vpn tunnel from my win32 machine to my debian machine? |
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| 19:58.08 | nkuttler | maffelu_: what kind of drivers are that? |
| 19:58.12 | maffelu_ | nvidia |
| 19:58.25 | me_here | is it possible to copy the directory contents of etc to say /dev/temp/bla and to mount /dev/temp/bla at boot time on /etc ? |
| 19:58.27 | maffelu_ | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run |
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| 19:58.40 | priest | Eliteforce, use OpenVPN. |
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| 19:59.06 | nkuttler | maffelu_: remove everything nvidia related and /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 20:00.14 | cheal | !tell maffelu_ about nvidia-installer |
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| 20:01.03 | guru | i have been reading about adopting a package and was wondering if anyone here could point me in the right direction and make sure i am going about it the correct way? |
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| 20:01.35 | nkuttler | guru: adopt a package? do you mean maintain an orphaned package? |
| 20:01.51 | cheal | guru: are you a DD? |
| 20:01.56 | maffelu_ | nkuttler last time I did the one liners it installed the wrong drivers |
| 20:02.03 | maffelu_ | I don't have the deb packages for 7676 |
| 20:02.05 | guru | cheal: no, but that is my intent |
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| 20:02.24 | gass | hello. The debian-installer installs testing distribution? |
| 20:02.28 | cheal | guru: you'd need to be a DD before adopting a package |
| 20:02.32 | darky | Has anyone managed to make a logitech quickcam work on debian ? |
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| 20:02.47 | cheal | gass: only with some ISO-s |
| 20:02.50 | nkuttler | maffelu_: ask again later, i don't have nvidia |
| 20:02.53 | Eliteforce | priest: can i install openvpn via apt-get ? |
| 20:02.55 | gass | cheal, daily? |
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| 20:02.59 | guru | cheal: could you point me to some information on how i can become a debian developer? |
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| 20:03.21 | gass | Eliteforce, yes -> apt-cache search openvpn |
| 20:03.21 | gass | carpaltunnel - Configuration helper for OpenVPN |
| 20:03.21 | gass | openvpn - Virtual Private Network daemon |
| 20:03.32 | priest | Eliteforce, Yes, apt-get install openvpn, download a windows client at http://openvpn.net |
| 20:03.45 | cheal | guru: you'd better ask #debian-mentors |
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| 20:03.48 | nkuttler | guru: debian.org, search new maintainer guide |
| 20:03.50 | Eliteforce | and do i need openvpn on the win32 machine too or do the windows vpn connections work? |
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| 20:04.00 | guru | on http://www.us.debian.org/devel/join/ 5th paragraph: "Taking over an abandoned package is the best way to start out as a developer" |
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| 20:04.07 | shawarma | Can someone check if OCFS is mentioned in their /boot/config-2.6* ? |
| 20:04.11 | guru | nkuttler: ok, thanks |
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| 20:04.29 | std0ut | any clue why this happens after i run apt-get update -> Fetched 1B in 1s (1B/s) |
| 20:04.29 | std0ut | File size limit exceeded 0% |
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| 20:04.56 | cheal | maffelu_: if you don't want to do it the debian way, you'll have to ask #nvidia. we might help if you change your mind |
| 20:04.56 | maffelu_ | do you have to reboot after the one liner or something? |
| 20:05.02 | cheal | maffelu_: no |
| 20:05.07 | z0z4z | is there a java .deb? |
| 20:05.09 | cheal | well, something, maybe |
| 20:05.11 | maffelu_ | then why doesn't it work after the one liner? |
| 20:05.15 | zinx | z0z4z: the one you build, yes |
| 20:05.15 | cheal | !topicsmite z0z4z |
| 20:05.16 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon z0z4z. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 20:05.28 | cheal | maffelu_: does lsmod|grep nvidia return something? |
| 20:05.40 | maffelu_ | nvidia 3922236 0 |
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| 20:05.45 | maffelu_ | how do you check it's version? |
| 20:05.47 | Yokalosh | are there any alternatives to samba which i dare say, arent so crappy? |
| 20:06.00 | Zenethian | nfs? |
| 20:06.01 | maffelu_ | cheal I have nvidia drivers, but they are the wrong version |
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| 20:06.19 | malex | Is there a good doc on setting up flash drive automounting in current sid? |
| 20:06.20 | maffelu_ | the X module is 7676, and it claims the nvidia driver is 7174 |
| 20:06.21 | z0z4z | what would happen if i started copying files to a partition i just made before rebooting? |
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| 20:06.31 | z0z4z | does it matter? |
| 20:06.39 | cheal | maffelu_: check the nvidia-kernel package you have installed |
| 20:06.47 | Yokalosh | Zenethian: Does it support windows networks? |
| 20:06.52 | maffelu_ | in /usr/src/nvidia? |
| 20:06.59 | XyPhuS | can someone tell me whats he file to restrict the amount of resources on per user basis? and where its located? |
| 20:07.04 | Zenethian | Yokalosh: Yea, I think you can use nfs in windows, actually. |
| 20:07.11 | kosuke | anyone familiar with mencode settings such that they can advise me on settings to convert a *.mov file to *.avi or *.wmv ? |
| 20:07.11 | maffelu_ | nvidia-kernel-2.4.23_1.0.4496-2+10.00.Custom_i386.deb cheal |
| 20:07.13 | chosh25 | umm.. sorry but how do you reconfigure monitor? |
| 20:07.28 | cheal | maffelu_: that's really old stuff |
| 20:07.33 | greycat | Zenethian: the username mapping is a royal bitch |
| 20:07.36 | maffelu_ | how do I get a new deb version? |
| 20:07.39 | Zenethian | greycat: indeed. |
| 20:07.46 | greycat | maffelu_: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:07.46 | randomity | Yokalosh: Getting Samba to work in linux is probably a lot easier than getting nfs in windows |
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| 20:08.39 | Yokalosh | randomity: thanks, its just weird, everything in samba is working fine appart from the fact i cant browse any computers on the network, it doesnt even show they exist |
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| 20:08.57 | randomity | Yokalosh: What workgroup are you set up as? |
| 20:09.10 | cheal | shawarma: it's not |
| 20:09.11 | randomity | Yokalosh: is it the same as the windows boxes? |
| 20:09.12 | Ajeet | Ok, made my mind up, gonna wait for Intel Macs and buy a quality laptop to last me at least 5 years... Keeping in mind, I will be just be using Linux (prob. Debian) on it, could someone reccomend some laptops to me? |
| 20:09.15 | Yokalosh | randomity: the windows one i am trying to connect to |
| 20:09.17 | shawarma | cheal: Ok. Thank you! |
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| 20:09.40 | Ajeet | ACtually, maybe XP once in a while for games.... |
| 20:09.44 | Yokalosh | randomity: and that i am connected to, i am using the internet off that network to speak to you now ;) |
| 20:09.48 | honschu | Hi, how to check if my sounddriver supports recording from mic? |
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| 20:09.58 | maffelu_ | greycat I did that now, but still when I see the one liner at work, I can see it uses the 7174 drivers to nvidia |
| 20:09.59 | Ajeet | But mainly Linux, web server, development, programming, etc... |
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| 20:10.01 | maffelu_ | how do I fix that? |
| 20:10.05 | randomity | Yokalosh: I don't know enough about samba to fix it, but I know enough to know it can be fixed |
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| 20:10.34 | Yokalosh | Randomity: I just wanna know how it broke in the first place, nothing has changed on the network and it was working yesterday |
| 20:10.36 | Yokalosh | :( |
| 20:10.37 | greycat | !info nvidia-source sarge |
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| 20:10.45 | Yokalosh | randomity: but thanks anyway |
| 20:10.46 | greycat | !info nvidia-glx sarge |
| 20:10.47 | randomity | Yokalosh: wow |
| 20:10.48 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
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| 20:10.53 | Lumination | brain fart... how do you continue an apt upgrade if there were errors in a package install? isn't there an option to skip the first package on the list or something? |
| 20:10.58 | greycat | looks like there's nothing to fix. |
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| 20:11.19 | maffelu_ | greycat no? |
| 20:11.27 | Yokalosh | randomity: maybe i could apt-get remove samba and then re-apt it? |
| 20:11.46 | valdyn | Lumination: depends on the error |
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| 20:12.00 | greycat | Lumination: fix the first package. |
| 20:12.00 | XyPhuS | can someone tell me whats he file to restrict the amount of resources on per user basis? and where its located? |
| 20:12.12 | Lumination | /var/cache/apt/archives/libperl5.8_5.8.7-3_i386.deb [nextline] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 20:12.30 | Yokalosh | randomity: oh shit no, not a good idea, i wouldnt be abled to get it, i wouldnt be on any network with an internet connection.... stupid me |
| 20:12.31 | valdyn | !info libperl5.8 sarge |
| 20:12.35 | greycat | XyPhuS: grep limit /etc/pam.d/* |
| 20:12.35 | dpkg | libperl5.8: (Shared Perl library), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.8.4-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 496 kB, Installed size: 1136 kB |
| 20:12.42 | randomity | Yokalosh: hehe |
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| 20:12.56 | fas3r_ | hi all |
| 20:13.00 | randomity | Yokalosh: you shouldn't need samba to get online |
| 20:13.04 | valdyn | !info libperl5.8 sid |
| 20:13.09 | dpkg | libperl5.8: (Shared Perl library), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.8.7-5 (sid), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 1136 kB |
| 20:13.11 | Yokalosh | randomity: oh? |
| 20:13.31 | randomity | Yokalosh: Samba is just windows filesharing. |
| 20:13.32 | pakal | somebody knows a low level format tool? |
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| 20:13.44 | pakal | my hard disk dies |
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| 20:13.49 | Lumination | valdyn: it's etch |
| 20:13.53 | Yokalosh | randomity: but the internet connection that i used is shared from a windows computer....... |
| 20:13.56 | Zenethian | pakal: if it died, low-level formatting wont help. |
| 20:13.57 | randomity | Yokalosh: try /etc/init.d/samba stop, see are you still online, then /etc/init.d/samba start |
| 20:13.58 | dupondje | hi guys, how can i boot from debian cd to run fsck ? |
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| 20:14.06 | dupondje | what do i need to type @ boot: ? |
| 20:14.10 | fas3r_ | what's the better for iptables log .. it's log all or just what are drop? |
| 20:14.18 | Yokalosh | randomity: ok |
| 20:14.20 | greycat | dupondje: enter, or linux26. then wait, then hit Alt-F2 to get a shell. |
| 20:14.24 | valdyn | Lumination: try apt-get remove --purge libperl5.8 |
| 20:14.26 | randomity | Yokalosh: I don't know if windows internet connection sharing is brain-dead or uses the standard system (NAT) |
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| 20:14.40 | randomity | Yokalosh: If it uses NAT, you need nothing on the client side |
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| 20:14.41 | Yokalosh | randomity: lol |
| 20:14.53 | pakal | Zenethian: well, the seagate shows a lot of sectors with damage |
| 20:14.53 | maffelu_ | the people on #nvidia told me to reboot, so I'm rebooting now |
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| 20:14.54 | Yokalosh | randomity: ok |
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| 20:14.58 | valdyn | !tell Lumination -about bts |
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| 20:15.03 | kosuke | fyi ... a good writeup on mounting remote filesystems using smbfs can be found at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/165 |
| 20:15.05 | Zenethian | pakal: then throw it away and buy a new one. :) |
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| 20:15.07 | randomity | Yokalosh: However, from past experience, it is entirely possible that MS have some retarted SMB system |
| 20:15.15 | greycat | !pal nvidia users |
| 20:15.22 | pakal | Zenethian: what more can I do? before the tin litter |
| 20:15.28 | randomity | Yokalosh: just try temporarily stopping samba and see do you stay online |
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| 20:15.32 | Zenethian | pakal: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:15.38 | Yokalosh | randomity: oki, brb |
| 20:15.43 | Zenethian | greycat: whats wrong with nvidia? :) |
| 20:15.51 | valdyn | smbfs is just uh, deprecated, unmaintained or both =/ |
| 20:16.16 | pakal | Zedman: well, in fact I'm playing, not big deal, but I just wanna try |
| 20:16.22 | Zenethian | Oh |
| 20:16.25 | Yokalosh | randomity: well it appears i am :D |
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| 20:16.26 | Zenethian | in that case, have fun. |
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| 20:16.31 | valdyn | !cifs |
| 20:16.32 | dpkg | well, cifs is Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT |
| 20:16.41 | randomity | Yokalosh: seems so |
| 20:16.49 | pakal | but I can't found a tool |
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| 20:17.29 | greycat | common *internet* file system?? |
| 20:17.33 | greycat | are they on crack? |
| 20:17.37 | dvs | ypu |
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| 20:17.38 | dvs | yup |
| 20:17.52 | Yokalosh | randomity: in that case i will try reinstalling samba |
| 20:18.10 | randomity | greycat: Does *anyone* use SMB over the internet, or over anything that does not involve a lot of windows boxes? |
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| 20:18.19 | randomity | Yokalosh: good luck |
| 20:18.23 | greycat | I'm sure someone does... but they probably don't know they're doing it. |
| 20:18.30 | randomity | greycat: hehe |
| 20:18.33 | barbarosa | ... |
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| 20:18.44 | Yokalosh | samba goes bye bye |
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| 20:18.48 | Lumination | is there any way that I can skip that particular package in dist-upgrade? |
| 20:19.18 | greycat | Lumination: not bloody likely. libperl is pretty essential. |
| 20:19.22 | dvs | Lumination: it should ignore any packages it can't upgrade |
| 20:19.32 | dvs | oh |
| 20:19.39 | valdyn | !smbfs |
| 20:19.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, smbfs is the server message block file system. if you get errors like "smbfs: need mount version 6", you need to install smbfsx and purge smbfs. |
| 20:20.03 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.03 | randomity | Is smbfs the same package as smbmount? |
| 20:20.04 | greycat | No reports found! |
| 20:20.07 | greycat | that can't be. |
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| 20:20.45 | Yokalosh | randomity: nothing changed :( |
| 20:21.04 | Yokalosh | randomity: its all still the same, uninstalling samba did nothing :( |
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| 20:21.29 | randomity | Yokalosh: no idea. try installing samba-doc and wading through (shudder) the manual |
| 20:21.49 | Yokalosh | randomity: oh god AGAIN!? |
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| 20:22.27 | randomity | Yokalosh: why do you need windows boxes anyway? is it your network? |
| 20:22.50 | Yokalosh | randomity: its my parents network, and they are faithful windows users grrr |
| 20:23.00 | greycat | I've got just one comment to make about samba. |
| 20:23.04 | greycat | 5 4 * * * /usr/local/bin/svc -d /service/smbd; sleep 2; /usr/local/bin/svc -u /service/smbd |
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| 20:23.21 | netgod | heh |
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| 20:23.29 | netgod | anything windows-related has its issues |
| 20:23.34 | Yokalosh | haha |
| 20:23.36 | Yokalosh | it does |
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| 20:23.57 | nvz | greycat: ? |
| 20:24.14 | greycat | nvz: HP-UX, daemontools, samba, cron. questions? :) |
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| 20:24.53 | Yokalosh | i want to kill windows |
| 20:24.57 | darky | Has anyone managed to make a logitech quickcam work on debian ? |
| 20:25.18 | cheal | it's easier to kill doors |
| 20:25.19 | Yokalosh | lol no, but if you work it out please tell me how you did it |
| 20:25.20 | dvs | Yokalosh: get in line ;-) |
| 20:25.21 | netgod | Yokalosh: contribute to GNOME |
| 20:25.22 | cheal | or gates |
| 20:25.23 | dupondje | how can i fsck in debian console ?? :s |
| 20:25.24 | nvz | greycat: heh. nvm :P |
| 20:25.26 | valdyn | Lumination: im not exactly sure waht the error means, but since dpkg itself 'crashed' you could try downloading that package again and running 'dpkg -i' on it |
| 20:25.27 | dupondje | fsck not found :s |
| 20:25.35 | Lumination | Is the IPv6 over IPv4 tunnelling driver a module or service? if it's a service, what the hell is it called? |
| 20:25.46 | Yokalosh | dvs: haha |
| 20:25.48 | netgod | dupondje: make sure you are root so /sbin is in your $PATH |
| 20:25.57 | Lumination | valdyn: yeah I just tried doing dist-upgrade again and it magically worked... weird |
| 20:25.58 | greycat | dupondje: what "console" are you in? |
| 20:26.07 | dupondje | from debian cd |
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| 20:26.09 | dupondje | booted from cd |
| 20:26.13 | dupondje | need to fsck root hdd |
| 20:26.15 | valdyn | Lumination: hardware issues. |
| 20:26.19 | greycat | dupondje: which CD? |
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| 20:26.28 | greycat | this is going to be a long one, I can tell. |
| 20:26.30 | dupondje | debian sarge installation cd |
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| 20:26.38 | Yokalosh | netgod: me? cotribute to gnome? why? |
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| 20:26.56 | greycat | Yokalosh: because it needs all the help it can geT? |
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| 20:27.08 | greycat | apart from that, I've got nothin'. |
| 20:27.15 | netgod | dupondje: have you tried booting with "rescue root=/dev/hda1" or whatever? |
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| 20:27.24 | greycat | netgod: sarge CDs don't have rescue. |
| 20:27.28 | dupondje | it can't mount root hdd |
| 20:27.39 | netgod | greycat: please tell me thats a bad joke |
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| 20:27.47 | greycat | but I have a very hard time believing they don't have fsck once you hit Alt-F2. |
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| 20:28.28 | priest | darky, I have, which drivers have you tried? |
| 20:29.00 | greycat | netgod: also, they use devfs, so the disk device wouldn't be /dev/hda1. it's some godawful 30 character string. |
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| 20:29.52 | netgod | geez |
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| 20:30.18 | Yokalosh | wow, linux sure is fun |
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| 20:30.31 | netgod | glad i installed woody and upgraded -- tho that contained its own challenges as well |
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| 20:30.33 | Lumination | Anybody know how the hell to get rid of the stupid IPv6 driver? |
| 20:30.35 | Yokalosh | its like marmite, u either love it or you hate it |
| 20:30.37 | greycat | and no, I don't know who the d-i team's crack dealer is. |
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| 20:31.52 | streuner | netgod: why not just use a knoppix-live-CD? |
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| 20:32.18 | greycat | installing sarge isn't *that* bad as long as you have a fast enough machine... and as long as nothing breaks. |
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| 20:32.41 | netgod | streuner: tradition and stodginess |
| 20:32.44 | greycat | once something breaks, you're stuck looking at devfs |
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| 20:32.57 | Zenethian | I hate devfs |
| 20:33.05 | gass | can anybody tell me if the daily builds from debian-installer amd64 installs testing (aka etch)? |
| 20:33.28 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 20:33.28 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 20:33.50 | djp | do i need to add deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free to my /etc/apt/sources.list in order to keep up to date with security issues? |
| 20:34.03 | Zenethian | djp: if you run stable, yes. |
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| 20:34.08 | Zenethian | or testing, I think. |
| 20:34.15 | greycat | !testing security |
| 20:34.15 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
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| 20:34.27 | greycat | wiki.d.n is still internal erroring. |
| 20:34.36 | djp | Zenethian, thanks |
| 20:34.37 | gass | greycat, i just want to know, if i install with the daily build of the debian installer, i install stable, testing or unstable? |
| 20:34.42 | Yokalosh | what drives people to use windows? anybody ever studied the mentallity of a windows user? |
| 20:34.45 | greycat | gass: how would I know? |
| 20:35.15 | grelli | Yokalosh: Welcome to your new job. This is your windows workstation. |
| 20:35.21 | netgod | Yokalosh: its an unfair charge, because in most cases Windows is all people are offered. |
| 20:35.24 | grelli | that's a pretty big part of the mentality |
| 20:35.26 | gass | greycat, i just ask if you know :) |
| 20:35.32 | greycat | I don't. |
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| 20:35.37 | Ajeet | Yokalosh: Stop being a troll... |
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| 20:35.44 | Toba | how can I convert a source package to a binary package? |
| 20:35.47 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 20:35.49 | Toba | all I can find is the source one |
| 20:35.50 | greycat | Toba: /msg dpkg source |
| 20:35.50 | netgod | Yokalosh: if they go beyond windows and actually sign up with AOL, then they're hopeless |
| 20:35.51 | Toba | and I need to install this |
| 20:35.55 | grelli | hell, I'm infront of a windows box right now |
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| 20:35.58 | m4csim | what's happen in www.debian.org ? |
| 20:36.00 | Yokalosh | netgod: hahahaha! |
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| 20:36.08 | djp | Zenethian, will i need to use APT or can i use aptitude, which i have so far used to install new software? |
| 20:36.15 | XyPhuS | is ther i place where i can get help on fixing the limits.conf file to restrict the amount of resources per user?? |
| 20:36.16 | streuner | netgod: :-) |
| 20:36.22 | Toba | I can't use apt-get on sources |
| 20:36.28 | Toba | I have no wireless |
| 20:36.37 | greycat | XyPhuS: you could get the source code for the revelant PAM modules. |
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| 20:36.43 | Yokalosh | windows is fine until you discover something like mac os or linux and then there is no going back as far as i see it |
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| 20:36.48 | greycat | XyPhuS: far as I know, that's the only documentation. |
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| 20:37.23 | greycat | Yokalosh: windows is not "fine". ever. |
| 20:37.25 | XyPhuS | okay |
| 20:37.29 | Yokalosh | lol |
| 20:37.51 | Yokalosh | hey did anyone read that really stupid article that some guy posted saying windows 98 se should become open source? |
| 20:37.59 | Ajeet | Linux > OSX > Windows... But let's not get into that. |
| 20:38.08 | netgod | thats an interesting idea ... worked for quake |
| 20:38.32 | Yokalosh | but if it was made opensource wine would become totally amazing |
| 20:38.48 | grelli | which is probably why it won't be open sources |
| 20:38.50 | netgod | which is why it will never happen in this universe |
| 20:38.50 | grelli | sourced |
| 20:38.53 | Yokalosh | and then there would be no point in windows existance |
| 20:39.05 | Yokalosh | which would be hilarious |
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| 20:39.20 | Yokalosh | bill gates = the george bush of the computing world |
| 20:39.24 | barbarosa | Well, Is knoppix used the squashfs? |
| 20:40.01 | netgod | theres already no point -- many governments are seriously considering switching to OpenOffice, or ditching Windows entirely -- they would save millions |
| 20:40.09 | Lumination | How do you remove a module that is in use? |
| 20:40.12 | netgod | its their duty to consider that option |
| 20:40.23 | greycat | Lumination: rmmod |
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| 20:40.32 | djp | can i use aptitude to do the same as apt-get update? |
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| 20:40.40 | greycat | djp: man aptitude |
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| 20:40.49 | dupondje | what boot option do i need to use for tft screen ? |
| 20:40.51 | jochensp | Hi, is there a way to get atach/detach feature from screen under X-Windows? |
| 20:40.58 | dupondje | cause i can't see shit on screen atm :( |
| 20:41.01 | djp | greycat, sorry. thanks. |
| 20:41.08 | Lumination | greycat: just reports that the module is in use |
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| 20:41.20 | greycat | Lumination: hmm... bring down the interface that's using it? |
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| 20:41.28 | Yokalosh | lol barbarosa i guess you dont agree? |
| 20:41.29 | jochensp | got an answer already :) |
| 20:41.29 | greycat | Lumination: *shrug* I know very little about ipv6 |
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| 20:42.27 | Lumination | greycat: me, too... all I know is that the damn module takes FOREVER to load at system start... I want it gone but dunno how |
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| 20:42.41 | greycat | !blacklist |
| 20:42.41 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 20:42.47 | greycat | but that may not be sufficient. |
| 20:43.01 | Lumination | sweeeeet |
| 20:43.04 | Yokalosh | what do you think will happen to apple when they start sticking the trash known as intel in their machines? (not that this has anything to do with debian, i will shut up in a minute) |
| 20:43.04 | dupondje | what boot option do i need to use for tft screen ? i can't see anything now :s |
| 20:43.37 | netgod | Yokalosh: how is that even possible? they have a different ABI to support |
| 20:43.52 | netgod | Yokalosh: most likely they'll stick only 64bit trash in, if they do it |
| 20:43.59 | Lumination | greycat: so I actually add the line "skip ipv6" in discover.conf? |
| 20:44.24 | Nosf3ratu | i'm having sound issues that all seem related to dsp being in use, but lsof doesn't show anything using dsp ... how can i figure out what's using it? |
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| 20:44.49 | Yokalosh | netgod: from 2006 or 2007 they will be using intel processors... why would they dump powerpc fo intel, thats insane |
| 20:44.56 | dupondje | somebody know |
| 20:44.57 | dupondje | plz |
| 20:44.58 | dupondje | :( |
| 20:45.33 | Yokalosh | dupondje: didnt you configure your xserver for tft? |
| 20:45.34 | greycat | Yokalosh: probably economics. |
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| 20:46.03 | Zenethian | djp: either one will be fine. |
| 20:46.11 | dupondje | Yokalosh: i'm @ boot |
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| 20:46.14 | dupondje | not installed yet |
| 20:46.20 | gopstuart | How do I get intel centrino wireless to work on my Dell Latitude D800 |
| 20:46.34 | Lumination | restarting I'll tell you if it works or not |
| 20:46.37 | streuner | gopstuart: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 20:46.51 | Yokalosh | dupondje: not installed an xserver? |
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| 20:47.10 | maffelu_ | but |
| 20:47.11 | maffelu_ | this X module is version 1.0.7676 |
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| 20:47.17 | maffelu_ | how do I downgrade my x module? |
| 20:47.22 | maffelu_ | to 7174 |
| 20:47.28 | dupondje | Yokalosh: nothing installed yet :( |
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| 20:47.34 | streuner | meffelu: still fighting with nvidia? |
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| 20:47.55 | streuner | meffelu: do you have install or configuration problems? |
| 20:47.58 | greycat | !info nvidia-glx etch |
| 20:48.02 | greycat | !info nvidia-glx sid |
| 20:48.04 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
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| 20:48.15 | greycat | looks like he messed with sid... |
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| 20:48.20 | Yokalosh | dupondje: not even debian? LOL |
| 20:48.29 | streuner | he installed first via nvidia installer and after that with nvidia one liner |
| 20:48.42 | maffelu_ | streuner install problems |
| 20:48.59 | maffelu_ | is sid stable? |
| 20:49.03 | maffelu_ | I use stable |
| 20:49.10 | greycat | !sid |
| 20:49.10 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 20:49.24 | Zenethian | !experimental |
| 20:49.24 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
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| 20:49.26 | Zenethian | :D |
| 20:49.29 | Zenethian | I love taht warning. |
| 20:49.36 | Zenethian | and I love my spelling. :-/ |
| 20:49.42 | fken | maffelu_: oh gosh you installed 7676 ? |
| 20:49.46 | maffelu_ | I tried |
| 20:49.54 | fken | installed ? |
| 20:49.58 | maffelu_ | yea |
| 20:50.00 | maffelu_ | with a run file |
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| 20:50.04 | fken | poor of you |
| 20:50.11 | maffelu_ | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run |
| 20:50.15 | maffelu_ | what should I do then? |
| 20:50.16 | fken | i made the same error |
| 20:50.18 | greycat | so you not only messed with sid, but you ALSO messed with upstream nvidia? |
| 20:50.25 | greycat | shit.... just purge the whole lot and start over. |
| 20:50.32 | fken | uninstalling nvidia driver isnt enough |
| 20:50.45 | fken | you have to erase the shortcut to the libraries |
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| 20:50.54 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (etch), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
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| 20:51.21 | maffelu_ | how do I purge the system? |
| 20:51.21 | greycat | ok, it might have been etch and not sid. |
| 20:51.27 | greycat | maffelu_: not the "system". just X. |
| 20:51.34 | maffelu_ | ok |
| 20:51.36 | greycat | !remove X |
| 20:51.36 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 20:51.37 | maffelu_ | how do I do that? |
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| 20:51.45 | maffelu_ | which one is stable? |
| 20:51.47 | maffelu_ | I have stable |
| 20:52.06 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:52.06 | fken | maffelu_: there are normally shortcut called libGL.so.1 |
| 20:52.48 | maffelu_ | I did the sarge way |
| 20:52.56 | fken | maffelu_: and to other lib like libglx.a |
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| 20:53.08 | maffelu_ | what do I do about that? |
| 20:53.18 | aeronadix | I have /dev/hda1 for windows, a fat partition /dev/hda2 and linux is installed on /dev/hda3. I never really use windows, but I may need it for accessing some network resources on my network (printing in any room in the school), I am trying to set up xchat's download directory to /dev/hda2 but only root user is able to mount it and thereafter access it. What should I should? Format it and make it a linux partition? How do I do that? |
| 20:53.36 | fken | maybe one way could be to make a search for every files where 7676 is written on |
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| 20:54.06 | maffelu_ | uhm |
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| 20:54.12 | maffelu_ | ok, hold on |
| 20:54.15 | maffelu_ | still pruging X |
| 20:54.23 | fken | maffelu_: the problem is that i dont remember exactly the name of the files |
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| 20:54.53 | fken | maffelu_: did you uninstall nvidia 7676 frivers? |
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| 20:54.58 | fken | *drivers |
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| 20:55.35 | maffelu_ | fken how do I do that? |
| 20:56.01 | fken | i dont remember the exact command but it must be something easy with -uninstall |
| 20:56.16 | aeronadix | what you trying to do? |
| 20:56.26 | selim | can someone help me with my vhost configuration http://rafb.net/paste/results/UYd3sY76.html every time I try to include this configuration in my apache2 conf I get the problem that the default account which should reside in /var/www will not be recognised cause of the error /htdocs is not existing. |
| 20:56.31 | fken | maffelu_: look in your nvidia source or website |
| 20:56.31 | selim | if try to establish this config I get this messages in my error.log |
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| 20:56.35 | selim | [Thu Sep 15 18:56:45 2005] [error] [client 84.56.34.247] File does not exist: /htdocs |
| 20:56.58 | aeronadix | to unistall you should type apt-get remove packagename, and there is a away the -purge option to delete all the files |
| 20:57.02 | streuner | maffelu_: just remove X |
| 20:57.08 | streuner | maffelu_: EVERYTHING |
| 20:57.22 | streuner | !remove x |
| 20:57.22 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 20:57.35 | maffelu_ | I did that |
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| 20:57.52 | maffelu_ | I installed it as a run file |
| 20:57.53 | streuner | maffelu_: any errors? |
| 20:57.55 | maffelu_ | the drivers |
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| 20:58.06 | streuner | the whole X system |
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| 20:58.21 | djp | is it possible to edit the root accounts bash_history? |
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| 20:58.31 | maffelu_ | I purged X |
| 20:58.47 | streuner | ok, What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 20:59.19 | streuner | meffelu: run that command as root and tell us the output |
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| 21:00.04 | dupondje | what boot option do i need to use for tft screen ? i can't see anything now :s |
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| 21:00.12 | maffelu_ | streuner the apt-get remov X thingie? |
| 21:00.15 | maffelu_ | there's a massive output |
| 21:00.19 | maffelu_ | oh |
| 21:00.20 | maffelu_ | sorry |
| 21:00.23 | maffelu_ | one sec |
| 21:00.28 | streuner | no, What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:00.30 | brett | how do I get the kpkg mantra again? |
| 21:00.33 | dupondje | its smth like thing=735 or smth |
| 21:00.34 | maffelu_ | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 21:00.35 | dupondje | forgot it :( |
| 21:00.45 | streuner | !listkeys mantra |
| 21:00.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mantra' by key (3): kernel mantra ;; debian mantra ;; kp mantra. |
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| 21:01.03 | brett | thnks! |
| 21:01.21 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx sarge |
| 21:01.23 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 21:01.54 | streuner | maffelu_: ok, just run 'apt-get install x-window-system nvidia-glx |
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| 21:02.19 | maffelu_ | ok |
| 21:02.28 | maffelu_ | running |
| 21:02.38 | maffelu_ | desired X server driver? |
| 21:02.39 | dumezil | im trying to configure hotplug and usbmount to automatically mount any usb pen drives plugged in. its all working properly, except normal users can't write to the pen drives... how do i change it so they can access the drives? ive made the group usb and added normal users to it and tried to change permissions of /media (where the automounting happens) but its not working... |
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| 21:02.55 | maffelu_ | I can't chose nvidia, only nv |
| 21:03.07 | streuner | why is that? |
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| 21:03.30 | maffelu_ | don't know |
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| 21:03.41 | streuner | maffelu_: after you have installed those packages, run 'dpkg -L nvidia-glx' |
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| 21:04.04 | streuner | maffelu_: look at the docs - they are usually in /usr/share/doc/*package* |
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| 21:04.54 | dumezil | how can i get hotplug to mount drives to allow normal users to write to the mount points? |
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| 21:05.21 | maffelu_ | streuner I ran dpkg -L nvidia-glx |
| 21:05.24 | maffelu_ | massive output |
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| 21:05.37 | maffelu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.49 | maffelu_ | everything is 7174 |
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| 21:06.06 | maffelu_ | oh man, that was close |
| 21:06.10 | maffelu_ | I almost got X started |
| 21:06.12 | maffelu_ | so close |
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| 21:06.19 | maffelu_ | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX |
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| 21:07.01 | streuner | maffelu_: did you look at the sample file? in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/examples ? |
| 21:07.14 | maffelu_ | hahaha |
| 21:07.19 | maffelu_ | found some interesting stuff |
| 21:07.24 | maffelu_ | apt-get install wmaker? |
| 21:07.43 | maffelu_ | it seems to be working now |
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| 21:07.53 | streuner | magic |
| 21:07.58 | maffelu_ | only error this time was that it couldn't find windowmaker |
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| 21:08.00 | maffelu_ | thanks streuner |
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| 21:08.05 | maffelu_ | really appriciate it |
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| 21:08.51 | XyPhuS | how do i cange this "72" here "root@72:/home$" ?? |
| 21:08.59 | XyPhuS | can i change that?? |
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| 21:10.38 | tcsetattr | PS1='My new cool prompt doesn't have a 72 in it. Oops, yes it does. % ' |
| 21:10.46 | Lumination | discover.conf and blacklist worked like a f*ckin' rock to the head |
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| 21:10.58 | Lumination | had to boot to single mode and take it back off |
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| 21:11.06 | Lumination | whole bunch of modules failed |
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| 21:12.14 | streuner | maffelu_: does it work now? |
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| 21:12.16 | danieldg | XyPhuS: what does 'echo $PS1' look like? what shell? |
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| 21:12.42 | streuner | maffelu_: because, after you installed nvidia-glx you HAVE to restart X |
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| 21:13.16 | streuner | maffelu_: it should be able to find 'nvidia' with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 then... |
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| 21:13.41 | XyPhuS | 72:~# echo $PS1 |
| 21:13.41 | XyPhuS | \h:\w\$ |
| 21:13.41 | XyPhuS | 72:~# |
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| 21:13.44 | antgel | !beer antgel |
| 21:13.49 | XyPhuS | danieldg: thats waht i got |
| 21:13.54 | maffelu_ | thanks everyone |
| 21:13.57 | maffelu_ | yea, it works now |
| 21:14.20 | thecoolestcow | hey, i need help setting up my HP laserjet 6L. i have CUPS and the Gimp driver, i installed it, however whenever i try and "print a test page" it immediately gets cancelled and put in the "completed jobs" |
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| 21:14.34 | REdOG | anyone here have a poweredge 650 running a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:14.38 | REdOG | I cannot seem to get the mofo to see ide devices |
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| 21:14.49 | honschu | How to configure sendmail when I have different users on my OpenBSD-Box with different mail-adresses (2 gmx, 1 web.de, 2 arcor.de) |
| 21:14.50 | stephane1 | redog, you mean a 2650? |
| 21:14.57 | REdOG | no 605 |
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| 21:15.00 | REdOG | err 650 |
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| 21:15.12 | thecoolestcow | hey, i need help setting up my HP laserjet 6L. i have CUPS and the Gimp driver, i installed it, however whenever i try and "print a test page" it immediately gets cancelled and put in the "completed jobs" |
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| 21:15.41 | danieldg | XyPhuS: change your hostname |
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| 21:16.02 | XyPhuS | danieldg: how do i change it?? |
| 21:16.09 | XyPhuS | frm which file |
| 21:16.10 | XyPhuS | :S |
| 21:16.16 | REdOG | I have a livecd with a 2.6 kernel that does... but the dohdoh that built it didn't give me the pleasure of /proc/config.gz |
| 21:16.19 | XyPhuS | am reali new to this linux world |
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| 21:16.30 | danieldg | XyPhuS: /etc/hostname, or run the hostname command |
| 21:17.01 | danieldg | XyPhuS: actually you have to do both |
| 21:17.21 | XyPhuS | danieldg: when i do "cat /etc/hostname" it shows my IP |
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| 21:17.32 | XyPhuS | hos do i change the hostname ?? |
| 21:17.40 | snoke | what is correct cpu type for celeron 360 in kernel config ? |
| 21:17.55 | Lumination | XyPhuS: change the ip to your hostname |
| 21:18.06 | XyPhuS | how?? |
| 21:18.10 | Lumination | XyPhuS: that's all you need in the entire file is the hostname |
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| 21:18.28 | XyPhuS | okay |
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| 21:19.14 | chealer_ | XyPhuS, man hostname |
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| 21:19.55 | dumezil | how do i mount a drive so that it has certian permissions? like i want the drive to be mounted as the group 1004 and to have group write permissions |
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| 21:20.52 | boguh | how can i kick a user from my proftp server? |
| 21:21.07 | streuner | !info slay |
| 21:21.13 | dpkg | slay: (Kills all of the user's processes), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.4 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 21:21.15 | caplink811_log | XyPhuS, another way to change the prompt, read http://www.pantz.org/scripting/shell/colorterm.shtml |
| 21:22.11 | tcsetattr | dumezil, man mount ; /umask |
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| 21:24.47 | eeyore- | boguh: closest i can tell is to do "ftpwho" and kill the process |
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| 21:25.31 | eeyore- | dumezil: i'm assuming you're mounting a non-linux filesystems right? ones that don't follow the unix semantics |
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| 21:25.47 | |dennis| | question: how do i remove exim4 and install postfix... exim4 cannot be installed by defulta.. please help.. |
| 21:25.49 | nimak | what should i use to play .mov files? |
| 21:26.12 | eeyore- | |dennis|: dselect, uninstall exim, then it will pop up a list of alternate MTA. pick one. |
| 21:26.13 | Gathond | |dennis|: just install postfix and it should remove exim4 |
| 21:26.18 | tcsetattr | nimak: mplayer or xine |
| 21:26.27 | |dennis| | thanks.. |
| 21:26.52 | XyPhuS | thnx guys for that gr8 help :)) |
| 21:26.56 | XyPhuS | thnx again |
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| 21:28.07 | D13GU___ | hi all |
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| 21:28.23 | D13GU___ | somebody work with virtual machines? |
| 21:28.32 | Supaplex | only virtually |
| 21:28.34 | dumezil | tcsetattr: ok so i put umask=0664 in my mount options and when the device gets mounted it show d--x--x-wx whats up with that? |
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| 21:29.02 | dumezil | eeyore-: yeah its vfat on a usb pen drive |
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| 21:29.25 | eeyore- | dumezil: like it's been mentioned before, "man mount" and search forward to "Mount options for msdos" |
| 21:29.31 | selim | after installing apache2 and libapache-mod-php4 I have problems starting a php script which is working with mysql db and was perfectly working on the apache 1.3.x installation anyone any idea what is missing |
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| 21:29.45 | selim | this is the error message I get Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_error() in /var/www/syscp/lib/class_mysqldb.php on line 236 |
| 21:30.01 | D13GU___ | Seb how to install mod-php4? |
| 21:30.10 | eeyore- | selim: why do you use apache2? do you know for a fact that your mod-php4 works (is meant to) with apache2? |
| 21:30.20 | priest | dumezil, make it "gid=1004,umask=0007" |
| 21:30.33 | eeyore- | selim: "undefined function" == "i forgot to tell php to load mysql.so extension" |
| 21:30.38 | Gathond | selim: the php module is called libapache2-mod-php4 for apache2 |
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| 21:31.01 | selim | yes I already install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 21:31.04 | D13GU___ | Supaplex, you? |
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| 21:31.10 | eeyore- | selim: "extension=mysql.so" |
| 21:31.14 | Gathond | selim: also ensure you 1. load the mysql module for php 2. its installed |
| 21:31.16 | selim | and it's working I know this because mambo istallation works |
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| 21:31.25 | Gathond | selim: you sais libapache-mod-php4 before :) |
| 21:31.30 | tcsetattr | dumezil, umask is an inverted permission set. It's the permissions you want to turn OFF, not the ones you want to turn on. |
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| 21:31.47 | eeyore- | Gathond: we're supposed to apply error-correction/mind-reading module liberally :) |
| 21:31.48 | selim | gathond: that was a typo ;) |
| 21:32.08 | selim | gathond: how do I load the mysql module for php? |
| 21:32.30 | Supaplex | D13GU___: yes? |
| 21:32.38 | Gathond | selim: well helped someone some weeks ago who only after 2-3 hours saw the bloody "2" :) so I jsut wanted to make sure :) |
| 21:32.59 | D13GU___ | Supaplex you know a tutorial about this? |
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| 21:33.09 | selim | gathond: I hope so, how can I check it for sure |
| 21:33.10 | Gathond | selim: so as eeyore- suggested:), but if other software works with mysql and apache/php it might not be it |
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| 21:33.30 | selim | gathond: not with mysql but with php |
| 21:33.33 | Supaplex | D13GU___: define "this" |
| 21:33.34 | eeyore- | Gathond: i never take the "other software works" for granted |
| 21:33.49 | Gathond | selim: ahh, do you have php4-mysql installed? |
| 21:33.50 | D13GU___ | Supaplex virtual machine |
| 21:33.58 | Supaplex | D13GU___: in what context? |
| 21:33.59 | eeyore- | Gathond: after all, we're not talking about "other software", we're talking about *this software*, and *this software* doesn't work, so :) |
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| 21:34.28 | cievo | hello all ! |
| 21:34.34 | Gathond | eeyore-: hehe, yes, but if something else using same apache/php/mysql on the same machine then the mysql bit must work:) |
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| 21:34.47 | Gathond | eeyore-: anyway it appears to not be the case here anyway |
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| 21:34.56 | selim | gathond: I tried right now but I got this errors while installing: shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 21:34.57 | cievo | all: I have 1.5 GB of RAM physically in machine but after I boot Debian I can see only 1GB. what can be a cause? |
| 21:34.58 | D13GU___ | Supaplex several virtual machines in one real machine |
| 21:35.19 | Gathond | selim: does the directory your shell is currently in exist? |
| 21:35.33 | tcsetattr | cievo, you need to run a "big mem" kernel to use more than 1G on a 32-bit processor |
| 21:35.43 | Gathond | cievo: install a kernel that enables highmem |
| 21:36.16 | Gathond | selim: you need that package installed to have mysql support in php4 anyway, so that would be the first problem to solve |
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| 21:36.18 | cievo | tcsetattr: hnks |
| 21:36.22 | cievo | Gathond: thnks |
| 21:36.31 | eeyore- | cievo: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config* |
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| 21:36.54 | Supaplex | D13GU___: IMO any vmware release starting with 4.x sucks. Everything else is emulation only afaik. |
| 21:36.56 | Gathond | cievo: I think its included in debian as kernel-version-4GB (or 64GB if you have that much) |
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| 21:37.24 | Supaplex | D13GU___: and you're not thinking wine or user mode linux right? |
| 21:38.00 | eeyore- | vmware 4.x sucks? |
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| 21:38.12 | nimak | where will the quicktime dll be in my windows partition? |
| 21:38.17 | tcsetattr | looks to me like HIGHMEM is enabled in the default debian kernel... but I'm on powerpc, maybe things are different |
| 21:38.19 | Supaplex | eeyore-: imo yes. |
| 21:38.22 | selim | gathond: which shell? |
| 21:38.27 | D13GU___ | and Xen? |
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| 21:38.30 | selim | gathond: you mean the bash? |
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| 21:38.48 | Supaplex | they're at 5.x now, and it's got just as many issues as 4.x |
| 21:39.03 | eeyore- | xen doesn't run windows as guest |
| 21:39.09 | eeyore- | and xen doesn't like laptops yet |
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| 21:39.19 | Gathond | selim: yes |
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| 21:39.35 | Gathond | selim: although the error might happen in the postinstall script |
| 21:39.35 | cievo | all: thank you for advices :) |
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| 21:40.18 | Oliver123 | I mount partition ext3 in fstab as : /mnt/a /dev/hdd5 ext3 defaults 0 0 , and I cant write into 2 subdirectory ! Do you maybe know something about it ? |
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| 21:41.17 | cievo | Oliver123: try to swtich /mnt/a and /dev/hdd5 |
| 21:41.22 | cievo | Oliver123: man fstab |
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| 21:42.06 | Lumination | ARrrRGhH... webmin dependency problems |
| 21:42.16 | flawd | when I play a video in vlc I get a blue screen with a small line with the contents of the video to the left |
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| 21:42.22 | Lumination | how the hell do I just blast a freakin' package to HELL? |
| 21:42.25 | Oliver123 | cievo I red all in all manual , and it cant be done it. I used SuSE linux and it works, but in debian no |
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| 21:43.07 | cievo | Oliver123: in fstab you have to put in firt collumn device, in second you put mount point... |
| 21:43.09 | eeyore- | hmm, /. car powered by dead cats ... that's a candidate for dailyrotten.com |
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| 21:43.29 | Lumination | dpkg: error processing webmin-filemanager (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 21:43.30 | bryansmith | hey all, last time i used debian i used an ncurses based program to set up my apt sources but i forget what it is called |
| 21:43.36 | bryansmith | what is it again please? |
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| 21:43.48 | tcsetattr | apt-setup? |
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| 21:44.14 | nimak | i cant get totem to play a MOV file, it wont do sound |
| 21:44.15 | bryansmith | thats it, thanks alot |
| 21:44.16 | Oliver123 | cievo look my fstab : /dev/hdd5 /mnt/wdc ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 21:44.35 | nimak | i've installed the codecs in /usr/lib/win32 |
| 21:44.50 | cievo | Oliver123: ok, and now try mount -a |
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| 21:45.32 | cievo | Oliver123: and look into /mnt/wdc |
| 21:45.34 | nimak | help, please? |
| 21:46.01 | selim | gathond: so what can I do to install it correctly? |
| 21:46.13 | tarzeau | flawd: you've got a tv tuner card? |
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| 21:46.23 | tarzeau | Lumination: don't use webmin? |
| 21:46.32 | Gathond | selim: fix whatever fails:) |
| 21:46.38 | tarzeau | Lumination: wait, sarge or something else? debian at all? |
| 21:46.52 | Gathond | selim: I have no idea from what you descriped what is wrong specificaly |
| 21:46.58 | Oliver123 | cievo it is allready mounted when system boot , so now I can umount because it sais me : system busy. I looked ine /mnt/wdc , and I have all my files and folders , and I can save some files on /mnt/wdc/ , but on /mnt/wdc/C , or /mnt/wdc/SOMETHING , I CANT !! |
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| 21:47.13 | tactless | Where did testing's xine-gui go? |
| 21:47.17 | tactless | xine-ui* |
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| 21:47.32 | flawd | tarzeau, no. this is a laptop with i810 chipset. |
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| 21:47.55 | selim | gathond: that's the complete error message: http://rafb.net/paste/results/xKDbbF37.html |
| 21:47.56 | cievo | Oliver123: Can you do ls -ald /mnt/wdc/C and ls -ald /mnt/wdc/SOMETHING ? |
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| 21:48.11 | selim | gathond: maybe it give you some hints |
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| 21:48.52 | Gathond | selim: its not that package you need :) its php4-mysql :) |
| 21:49.13 | Oliver123 | cievo , yes : drwxrwxrwx 32 1001 users 4096 2005-09-15 18:39 /mnt/wdc/C , but I can save anything in C folder |
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| 21:49.18 | cievo | Oliver123: it tells you that system is busy because someone is on that location...probably you are in direcotry /mnt/wdc |
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| 21:49.24 | selim | gathond: shouldn't it be installed it it works on the apache-1.3.x installtion which is on the same server? |
| 21:49.27 | Gathond | selim: but the directory you are in when you start apt-get does that exist (dont think those errors are a problem though) |
| 21:49.55 | cievo | Oliver123: do you get permission denied? |
| 21:50.05 | Oliver123 | cieve , yes |
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| 21:50.09 | StreeT-GloW | hei |
| 21:50.10 | StreeT-GloW | yo |
| 21:50.10 | Oliver123 | cievo, yes |
| 21:50.14 | Gathond | selim: probably should yes, but ensure that it is, if it is then its probably the configuration of apache2's php that need the extension line eeyore- mentioned earlier |
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| 21:50.37 | cievo | Oliver123: Are you trying to work as root? |
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| 21:50.40 | Ajeet | Hello, totally random, but a intel pentium m 2.13ghz w/ 2mb cache and 1 gig ram would be equivalent to what on pentium 4? |
| 21:50.51 | Oliver123 | cievo , yes |
| 21:50.55 | cievo | Oliver123: try to paste mount | grep wdc here. |
| 21:51.07 | Gathond | Ajeet: I would guess 3.8Ghz or some such |
| 21:51.21 | Ajeet | Wow, really? |
| 21:51.41 | Gathond | Ajeet: depends upon the exact task though |
| 21:51.49 | selim | gathond: ok, how can I check this, I know the apt-cache show but, how do I know it's installed |
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| 21:52.01 | Gathond | Ajeet: iirc the first 1.6 Ghz Pm was about 3 Ghz equivalent at most office tasks |
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| 21:52.08 | Oliver123 | cievo : /dev/hdd5 on /mnt/wdc type ext3 (rw) |
| 21:52.10 | Gathond | selim: dpkg -l php4-mysql |
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| 21:52.14 | cievo | selim: dpkg -l | grep _NAMEofPACKAGE_ |
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| 21:52.37 | eeyore- | Ajeet: pentium-m's have large cache (up to 2MB) |
| 21:52.39 | Gathond | cievo: you can put the package search regex after dpkg -l :) |
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| 21:53.12 | selim | gathond seems to be installed |
| 21:53.14 | Ajeet | If it's equivalent to 3.6 or above, I'm gonna need to get me one of these dell notebooks... |
| 21:53.26 | eeyore- | Ajeet: and we get a lot of performance from pentium-m (we do cpu/peripherals simulations) compared to pentium-4, basically, pentium-m beats the p4 to a pulp for cache-heavy apps |
| 21:53.38 | Gathond | selim: then ensure apache2's configuration has that extension enabled |
| 21:53.52 | eeyore- | Ajeet: about the only thing that beats pentium-m for our apps are high-clocked athlons/opterons |
| 21:54.08 | cievo | Oliver123: strange... |
| 21:54.28 | Gathond | selim: I dont use mysql so Im not entirely sure where this should be done |
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| 21:54.39 | Oliver123 | cievo , yes, and I think same....strange |
| 21:54.42 | cievo | Oliver123: try to create folder on that drive and do somethign in it... |
| 21:54.54 | cievo | Oliver123: Is there a chance that that drive is broken? |
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| 21:55.24 | selim | eeyore-: can you tell me where I should do the extension entry? |
| 21:55.32 | Ajeet | Hhmm, now if only the dells looked as good as the apple selections. |
| 21:55.43 | flawd | when I play a video in vlc I get a blue screen with a small line with the contents of the video to the left. I use i810 chipset |
| 21:55.51 | eeyore- | Ajeet: the readily-available ibm thinkpad t42 came to within 5-10% of a Athlon64 4000+ with matched pair of corsair 3200 (i think) 1GB memory |
| 21:56.07 | Oliver123 | cievo , I dont think that drive is broken, because I created file of about 5 GB on root of the drive (on wdc ), but when I enter some folder in wdc , I cant save... |
| 21:56.09 | eeyore- | Ajeet: that is pretty impressive considering i hand-picked components for the Athlon64 system :-) |
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| 21:56.20 | eeyore- | selim: /etc/php4/*/php.ini |
| 21:56.36 | eeyore- | selim: find /etc -name php.ini, edit them all :) |
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| 21:56.53 | Skaag | I have a weird weird issue!! I am running a shell script but my shell tells me it can not find it!... |
| 21:56.56 | cievo | Oliver123: wow ;) |
| 21:57.00 | Ajeet | eeyore: Don't thinkpads get slated a lot though? |
| 21:57.04 | eeyore- | Ajeet: hmm, now if only Apples work as fast as those Dells :) |
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| 21:57.29 | cievo | Skaag: ls -al _scritpName_ |
| 21:57.44 | fas3r_ | do you know what's the port using by winamp when we connect on a webradio? it's 80? |
| 21:58.00 | cievo | fas3r_: i think 9000... |
| 21:58.07 | Oliver123 | cievo now I tried ti create folder ond WDC and folder in folder on wdc etc. and in that 10-th folder I can write , but in folder whic already exist on drive I cant |
| 21:58.08 | Gathond | fas3r_: I think that is included in the playlist file one usually downloads |
| 21:58.09 | selim | eeyore- & gathond: thank you that's it |
| 21:58.12 | cievo | fas3r_: but sniff :) |
| 21:58.14 | eeyore- | Ajeet: gaming dells -> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_xps2?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs |
| 21:58.19 | Skaag | cievo: ls -al tracker.run.sh |
| 21:58.19 | Skaag | -rwxrwxr-x 1 skaag skaag 122 2005-09-15 20:55 tracker.run.sh |
| 21:58.29 | eeyore- | selim: if you'd listened much earlier you would have saved all this hassle :-) |
| 21:58.39 | Oliver123 | cievo , should I do chmod 777 to all folder and subfolders ? |
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| 21:58.47 | cievo | Oliver123: try to run fsck.ext3 on it.... |
| 21:58.47 | eeyore- | selim: i never take those "but this other apps work" for granted |
| 21:58.58 | cievo | Oliver123: they are 777, as I saw from your paste... |
| 21:59.06 | Oliver123 | ok |
| 21:59.20 | cievo | Skaag: Skaag how are you trying to run it ? |
| 21:59.28 | eeyore- | Ajeet: http://www.alienware.com/Product_Pages/notebook_all_default.aspx |
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| 21:59.49 | Ajeet | Alienware are far too expensive... |
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| 21:59.59 | Skaag | cievo: ./tracker.run.sh |
| 22:00.03 | Ajeet | I don't want to spend more than £1700 on a notebook. |
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| 22:00.08 | cievo | Skaag: and it says? |
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| 22:00.15 | Skaag | ./tracker.run.sh |
| 22:00.15 | Skaag | : bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
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| 22:00.32 | cievo | Skaag: give me first line on that script :) |
| 22:00.40 | Skaag | #!/bin/bash |
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| 22:00.51 | fas3r_ | cievo i say this because i have make my firewall with iptables and i have drop alll port connection except those which I need |
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| 22:01.20 | fas3r_ | and i haven't open the port whose they are in the webradio adress... |
| 22:01.24 | theD3viL | crypto |
| 22:01.26 | eeyore- | Skaag: od -cv tracker.run.sh, you have <cr><lf> line ending |
| 22:01.33 | fken | whats the real difference between bash and sh ? and when you are using bash are you forced to type sh ./filename.sh ? |
| 22:01.39 | cievo | fas3r_: and? run winamp and sniff network :) |
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| 22:01.59 | fas3r_ | with tcpdump? |
| 22:02.06 | fas3r_ | for example.. |
| 22:02.13 | cievo | fken: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Apr 5 17:09 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 22:02.18 | cievo | fas3r_: yeah :) |
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| 22:02.35 | fas3r_ | or just netstat -a is enought |
| 22:02.37 | latouche | generaly webradios are on port 8000 |
| 22:02.41 | fken | cievo: so its only a link ??? oh god |
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| 22:02.52 | cievo | fken: that's what I see :P |
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| 22:03.04 | cievo | fas3r_: both are fine... |
| 22:03.26 | Skaag | eeyore-: Yes I just discovered that right now with hexedit |
| 22:03.56 | fken | cievo: I thought it was two different things when i saw the users list which said some application are using sh as command line interpreter and that fken is using bash |
| 22:03.59 | Skaag | eeyore-: One of the guys working with me uses Eclipse, which is fine, but he has DOS line endings enabled for some perverse reason.. :-\ |
| 22:04.03 | cievo | Skaag: do you have bash ? :) (stupid but neccesary Q) |
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| 22:04.29 | Skaag | cievo: Of course I do, the problem is solved - the first line had a CR LF instead of just a LF |
| 22:04.34 | eeyore- | Skaag: spank him |
| 22:04.47 | Skaag | eeyore-: I am doing it right now! |
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| 22:04.55 | Ajeet | does anyone know of any decent laptop discussion channels? |
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| 22:05.27 | cievo | fken: but if it's just link :) So no difference for me :) |
| 22:05.52 | fken | cievo:yeah youre right |
| 22:05.53 | cievo | Skaag: OK :) Nice to know :) |
| 22:06.12 | cievo | Oliver123: how is that check goin' ? |
| 22:06.14 | dogmeat | which ntp package should i apt-get to keep my system clock accurate? |
| 22:06.33 | cievo | dogmeat: ntp |
| 22:06.59 | cievo | dogmeat: I'm sorry. It's ntpdate |
| 22:07.05 | eeyore- | dogmeat: ntpd (the server) |
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| 22:07.17 | eeyore- | dogmeat: you need both. ntpdate to prime and ntpd to keep it accurate |
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| 22:07.27 | tcsetattr | ntp-simple |
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| 22:09.36 | cievo | All: Did anyone here was able to do VPN connection in Debian? In Windows I use Cisco Client and I would like to connect to same VPN in Linux... |
| 22:09.49 | cievo | Any suggestion ? |
| 22:09.51 | myren | there's a client for linux |
| 22:10.03 | myren | it worked for my school network when i was on campus |
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| 22:10.21 | tcsetattr | apt-cache search cisco vpn |
| 22:10.24 | cievo | Can I user pptp-linux ? |
| 22:10.41 | myren | as tcsetattr says, its vpnc |
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| 22:10.44 | eeyore- | cievo: no, cisco vpn requires cisco shit |
| 22:10.52 | cievo | shit |
| 22:10.56 | myren | next time dont waste my precious hd activity doing my query for you |
| 22:10.57 | eeyore- | cievo: and my cisco client can't stay connected to the server for long |
| 22:10.59 | cievo | vpnc didns't work for me :( |
| 22:11.07 | myren | keep configuring it works |
| 22:11.12 | A64 | cucc |
| 22:11.12 | bob__ | cievo : see http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:11.15 | cievo | eeyore-: mine doesnt' even connect :( |
| 22:11.31 | cievo | tanks ;) |
| 22:11.33 | cievo | thanks :) |
| 22:11.37 | eeyore- | cievo: it would connect and stay connected for a few minutes, but then it stops transmitting/receiving. doesn't disconnect, though. just stops transmitting/receiving |
| 22:11.38 | myren | its not exactly trivial to set up but it really does work on quite a large number of cisco systems |
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| 22:12.07 | Lumination | I did have Xinerama running with dual screens, now I only have one... when compiling programs now it's giving me this error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXinerama" -- what the hell? |
| 22:12.22 | myren | you needd the -dev package for xinerama too |
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| 22:12.28 | myren | to compile |
| 22:12.39 | myren | i wish dev packages actually included docs. :/ |
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| 22:13.10 | myren | any of the opera packages work with the new libqt-mt? |
| 22:13.14 | Lumination | oooooohhhh |
| 22:13.15 | myren | erm, libqt3-mt iirc |
| 22:13.48 | SerajewelKS | i'm using juk, which uses arts, which is configured to use alsa, which is using the dmix plugin. every so often (randomly it seems) when the track in juk changes, the new song will be playing in some 3d room or something.. it's like juk is randomly turning on reverb somewhere. restarting the track usually fixes it, but how can i keep it from happening? |
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| 22:14.20 | Lumination | jesus... freakin' libraries everywhere... I don't even have a card. |
| 22:14.22 | Lumination | heh |
| 22:14.31 | dkf | I've got apt-get dependency resolution problems... could anyone help me through? |
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| 22:14.49 | cievo | dkf: what's a problem? |
| 22:15.13 | SerajewelKS | i've checked my mixer with alsamixer, and juk/alsa/whatever is not touching the card's 3d settings |
| 22:15.23 | SerajewelKS | as far as i can tell anyway |
| 22:15.29 | dkf | apt-get install x-window-system gives unresolved dependency errors, including "x-window-system-core which will not be installed... |
| 22:15.45 | cievo | apt-get -f |
| 22:15.48 | SerajewelKS | dkf, iirc x-window-system is a virtual package |
| 22:15.48 | cievo | dkf: apt-get -f |
| 22:15.51 | dkf | I tried that |
| 22:15.59 | antgel | dkf: you using unstable? |
| 22:16.13 | dkf | I tried apt-get -f install x-window-system |
| 22:16.15 | dkf | stable |
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| 22:16.24 | antgel | cievo: i'm using a vpn right now |
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| 22:16.35 | antgel | dkf: please pastebin the errors |
| 22:16.39 | cievo | antgel: maybe it's just a missconfiguration ;) |
| 22:16.47 | dkf | the problem seems to be that the dependencies want earlier versions of some of the core programs like cpp-3.3-base |
| 22:16.48 | Oliver123 | cievo , I am still checkin ext3 . . . how it is finished... |
| 22:16.50 | VokusMaxxed | hey is this chat related to linux? |
| 22:17.08 | streuner | VokusMaxxed: /topic |
| 22:17.10 | VokusMaxxed | i need help with installing suse 9.3 |
| 22:17.13 | cievo | Oliver123: ok, still waiting for your feedback ;) |
| 22:17.14 | dkf | I can't use the machine for this until I get a GUI going... I'm on another machine |
| 22:17.17 | SerajewelKS | VokusMaxxed, ask #suse |
| 22:17.19 | cievo | VokusMaxxed: to sex only :) |
| 22:17.32 | SerajewelKS | VokusMaxxed, debian is not suse. we don't support suse, and most of us don't like suse. |
| 22:17.37 | antgel | dkf: then get sshd going |
| 22:17.47 | VokusMaxxed | ask who? |
| 22:17.49 | VokusMaxxed | and how? |
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| 22:17.54 | SerajewelKS | VokusMaxxed, /join #suse |
| 22:17.57 | Yulia | hi all |
| 22:18.02 | dkf | I was able to install ssh with aptitude, but I have no way I know of to cut and paste |
| 22:18.04 | cievo | Yulia: hello;) |
| 22:18.26 | dkf | oh.. ssh into the machine... ok (sorry for being slow) |
| 22:18.43 | Oliver123 | cievo , it still doesnt work :( |
| 22:18.47 | cievo | dkf: what about apt-get remove --purge -f PACKAGE ? |
| 22:19.09 | antgel | cievo: how can you make a recommendation without knowing what the error is? |
| 22:19.11 | cievo | Oliver123: Try to chown and chmod on direcotry, but not recursive for now... |
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| 22:19.22 | Yulia | how can ido for mount unit network VFAT in a script for allow user to see and browse then?. I am doing so:mount -t smbfs -o username=yulia //192.168.1.2/htdocs /mnt/ficheros_makina/htdoc |
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| 22:19.29 | myren | whats the official order colors should be in for CAT5? |
| 22:19.33 | dkf | foley:/home/dkf# apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:19.33 | dkf | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 22:19.33 | dkf | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 22:19.33 | dkf | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 22:19.34 | dkf | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 22:19.34 | *** kick/#debian [dkf!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood) |
| 22:19.40 | neilc | i'm trying to use the daily installer build (for testing) to install an amd64 system |
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| 22:19.47 | antgel | that was a nice one |
| 22:19.48 | neilc | but the installation fails in the "Install the base system step" |
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| 22:19.54 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, you should learn english before you learn basic linux |
| 22:20.13 | neilc | the error message isn't very specific (and refers me to /target/var/log/bootstrap.log "for the details", which doesn't exist) |
| 22:20.27 | antgel | neilc: #debian-amd64 |
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| 22:20.32 | myren | thats not very nice |
| 22:20.33 | neilc | antgel: thanks |
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| 22:20.38 | Yulia | SerajewelKS, you are....so nice...... funny guy |
| 22:20.41 | eeyore- | Yulia: doesn't that work? |
| 22:20.41 | dkf | I got booted for pasting |
| 22:20.45 | thingfish | When I set up sarge, I used a CD set. In a few days, I'll get sarge DVDs. Can I just run apt-setup and switch from CD to DVD? |
| 22:20.50 | dondelelcaro | dkf: use the paster bot or #flood; see /topic |
| 22:20.51 | antgel | dkf: /topic |
| 22:21.09 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, just saying... i need to know what the hell you want to do before i can answer |
| 22:21.18 | antgel | thingfish: no reason why not |
| 22:21.31 | thingfish | antgel: thanks, I thought so. |
| 22:21.32 | eeyore- | serajwe: apply error-correction and mind-reading algorithms |
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| 22:22.01 | dkf | ok, I pasted into #flood |
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| 22:22.03 | dkf | dkf: /topic |
| 22:22.15 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-, mind-reading presumes the existence of a mind ;) but yeah.. maybe i'm just tired, but that didn't make one bit of sense to me |
| 22:22.22 | Yulia | SerajewelKS, there are many ways to say taht |
| 22:22.30 | Yulia | *that, sorry |
| 22:22.36 | tosh | I have a dvd that I can mount in my native dvd drive in my laptop, and an external firewire dvd burner. the dvd has data on it (1,4 gig) but when I mount it, the cd is empty. any ideas? |
| 22:22.39 | antgel | dkf: if you're going to do that, you need to make sure people are there. the pastebin website is a better option |
| 22:22.51 | eeyore- | Yulia: nevermind the flamewar. why did it not work for you? |
| 22:22.52 | Yulia | eeyore-, it mount them, but user cant browse then |
| 22:22.55 | dondelelcaro | dkf: try to install the individual packages that it says could not be installed; this is most likely happening because one of the dependencies has something that cannot be installed. |
| 22:22.57 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, anyway you might need to specify -o password=<password> too |
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| 22:23.13 | eeyore- | Yulia: probably because wrong permission, supply more options to -o |
| 22:23.16 | dondelelcaro | dkf: start with apt-get install xdm xterm xprt-xprintorg |
| 22:23.16 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, you need to mount them with -o umode=000 |
| 22:23.17 | antgel | dondelelcaro: he claims this is stable :/ |
| 22:23.28 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, or umode=002 |
| 22:23.30 | Yulia | SerajewelKS, permision is not need |
| 22:23.34 | Yulia | *needed |
| 22:23.36 | dkf | dondelelcaro: I did try that, and I get into a circle, which winds up with cpp3.3 depending on an earlier version of cpp-3.3-base |
| 22:23.37 | tosh | any way to detect a filesystem of a (cd)drive? |
| 22:23.46 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, the hell it is... if the user "can't browse"... |
| 22:24.00 | eeyore- | Yulia: it sure is needed. if it's mounted by root, users won't have +rx |
| 22:24.02 | dondelelcaro | dkf: give us the output of apt-cache policy; and apt-cache policy cpp3.3 cpp-3.3-base |
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| 22:24.41 | Armiante | can any of you help me with a bitchx problem? |
| 22:24.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell Armiante about ask |
| 22:24.49 | antgel | !tell Armiante about ask |
| 22:24.53 | cievo | all: ok guys and ladies...good night :) |
| 22:26.15 | dkf | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:26.15 | dkf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.15 | dkf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.15 | dkf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.15 | Yulia | SerajewelKS, wanna say: user cant see what is on that directory |
| 22:26.15 | dkf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:26.16 | antgel | *chuckle* |
| 22:26.16 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, what happens when you 'cd /mnt/...' as a user? |
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| 22:26.17 | iwilcox | Hi. Is it possible to configure Xorg so that I can plug in my USB mouse *after* Xorg starts? |
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| 22:26.18 | dondelelcaro | dkf: again, do not paste here. EVER. |
| 22:26.18 | Maneit | iwilcox: that works for me allready :> |
| 22:26.19 | dondelelcaro | !tell dkf -about paster |
| 22:26.31 | iwilcox | Maneit: Hmm. Did you do anything special? |
| 22:26.41 | Maneit | iwilcox: But that *might* be because Xorg detects my laptop mouse.. since its always plugged in :) |
| 22:26.51 | Maneit | so that it allready has a mousedriver loaded when I start it |
| 22:26.56 | tosh | anyone got an idea about this dvd mounting, but not being able to see its contents? |
| 22:26.59 | eeyore- | iwilcox: as long as the usb mouse is not "corepointer" |
| 22:27.02 | iwilcox | Maneit: Same here - I've always got my touchpad and stick mouse. |
| 22:27.12 | eeyore- | iwilcox: you need a mouse with "corepointer" property, and it must be connected |
| 22:27.15 | Maneit | iwilcox: ah, well that works for me :) |
| 22:27.19 | dkf | dondelelcaro: I have the output of apt-cache policy, but I'm afraid I'll get booted again |
| 22:27.28 | dondelelcaro | dkf: again, use the paster bot. |
| 22:27.31 | tosh | dkf use pastebin or #flood |
| 22:27.39 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 22:27.40 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 22:27.43 | Yulia | SerajewelKS, i must mount unit as root with a script, trought rcd. does not mount them |
| 22:27.49 | dkf | I put it in paster |
| 22:27.55 | dondelelcaro | dkf: what is the url? |
| 22:28.05 | dkf | where is pasterbin? |
| 22:28.20 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, again, if you are mounting AS ROOT then ONLY ROOT can read the mount |
| 22:28.23 | dkf | origin http.us.debian.org |
| 22:28.28 | Guerin | Maneit: your internal mouse is probably imps/2 and uses the psmouse module; set that as your core pointer and you should be fine. All your mousen should be on /dev/input/mice |
| 22:28.31 | eeyore- | Yulia: i will not repeat ... *you need more parameters for -o option* |
| 22:28.44 | dondelelcaro | dkf: what was the url that channels.debian.net/paste gave you? |
| 22:28.45 | iwilcox | eeyore-: My "PS/2" touchpad and stick mouse are permanently connected, and the stick mouse is CorePointer. The USB is not. So that should work, right? |
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| 22:28.53 | Maneit | Guerin: I'm not the one with the problem. iwilcox is :) |
| 22:29.01 | Yulia | eeyore-, umode=002 |
| 22:29.01 | dkf | http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 22:29.08 | eeyore- | iwilcox: yes, set the property of the usb mouse to *not* be corepointer, but have it "sendcoreevents" |
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| 22:29.18 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, yes. -o umode=002 |
| 22:29.23 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, i told you this some time ago |
| 22:29.36 | dkf | thanks for helping out on this... |
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| 22:29.51 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:29.54 | Guerin | my stupid |
| 22:30.03 | iwilcox | eeyore-: OK. What about the device node? I'm udev-ified, so the node won't exist when X starts. That matter? |
| 22:30.23 | eeyore- | iwilcox: /dev/input/mice, have the kernel multiplex whatever is lying around at the time :) |
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| 22:30.39 | iwilcox | eeyore-: For complicated reasons, I can't use that device node :( |
| 22:30.49 | eeyore- | iwilcox: well then |
| 22:30.58 | dogmeat | is it possible to mount an ftp site as a directory? |
| 22:31.01 | eeyore- | iwilcox: NFI |
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| 22:31.07 | SerajewelKS | dogmeat, yes, NFS |
| 22:31.15 | iwilcox | eeyore-: Heh, fair enough :) |
| 22:31.19 | dogmeat | SerajewelKS: cool, thanks |
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| 22:31.32 | iwilcox | eeyore-: Cheers for the sendcoreevents tip, anyhow :) |
| 22:31.37 | SerajewelKS | dogmeat, iirc it's something like "mount ftp://ftp.site.com/folder /mnt/ftp" |
| 22:31.41 | eeyore- | iwilcox: if you don't have a device node at the time, X will disregard it ... |
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| 22:31.53 | dkf | apt-cache policy says it is unable to locate cpp3.3 or cpp-3.3-base |
| 22:31.56 | Guerin | um, does mount know ftp? |
| 22:32.01 | Guerin | i don't believe it does |
| 22:32.04 | tosh | anyone heard of the filesystem CDFS? |
| 22:32.06 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, i think it uses nfs, doesn't it? |
| 22:32.16 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, -t nfs? |
| 22:32.19 | tcsetattr | apt-cache search ftpfs |
| 22:32.19 | dogmeat | SerajewelKS: if the site requires username and password, is that incorporated into the mount command as well? |
| 22:32.20 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: mount can do ftp now? |
| 22:32.37 | Lumination | hahahaha |
| 22:32.39 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-, see above, thanks |
| 22:32.44 | tosh | eeyore- with the appropriate kernel module |
| 22:32.56 | eeyore- | too scary |
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| 22:33.07 | tosh | ftpfs has issues with big files |
| 22:33.21 | SerajewelKS | dogmeat, mount -t nfs ftp.site.com:/ftp/path /mnt/ftp |
| 22:33.28 | Lumination | "mount gopher://144.117.64.24 -U root" |
| 22:33.36 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: come on ... who the fuck is gonna export nfs over the internet |
| 22:33.40 | Lumination | :D |
| 22:33.46 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-, dogmeat apparently |
| 22:33.49 | Lumination | oh wait... left out the mount point |
| 22:33.52 | Guerin | just use ftp |
| 22:33.53 | Supaplex | ifs, the 'internet' filesystem. |
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| 22:34.05 | Gathond | eeyore-: Im guessing one would be surprised :) |
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| 22:34.09 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-, i'm answering his question. direct critizism to him please. |
| 22:34.15 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: :) |
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| 22:35.17 | eeyore- | anybody use gizmod before? supposed to be a daemon that grabs input from nifty input devices and does stuff with them ... a way to multiplex things like griffin powermate, remote buttons, extra keyboard buttons etc and bind them to commands and stuff |
| 22:35.19 | eeyore- | sounds nifty |
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| 22:35.30 | CosmoDad | I'm having trouble getting my microphone to work: mp3 output works perfectly with the driver, even software mixing, I've enabled my mic in alsamixer but when I try to record anything there's only noise... any idea? |
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| 22:35.43 | eeyore- | it (gizmod) even has tcp/ip to talk to clients |
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| 22:36.10 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, open alsamixer |
| 22:36.20 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: ok.. |
| 22:36.20 | dondelelcaro | dkf: again, give us the actual output for apt-cache policy... otherwise there's not much we can do to help you. |
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| 22:36.40 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, on the playback pane is there a "mic as center" channel? |
| 22:37.14 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, or "Mic as Center/LFE" |
| 22:37.16 | Fosten | i know this would be a big security hole and probably not possible, but if root pw was lost how can i reset it as normal user? |
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| 22:37.29 | dkf | ok, I can do that... should I paste it into the web page or into the paster bot? |
| 22:37.33 | SerajewelKS | Fosten, use a boot disk and edit /etc/shadow |
| 22:37.39 | Guerin | !tell Fosten about ifrp |
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| 22:37.40 | eeyore- | Fosten: you have physical access, boot kernel with init=/bin/bash parameter |
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| 22:37.45 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: there are easier ways |
| 22:37.45 | antgel | Fosten: you can't. need to boot into single user mode |
| 22:37.46 | dondelelcaro | Fosten: you can't; you need to reboot the machine with init=/bin/bash; and then run passwd |
| 22:37.50 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: if with playback pane you mean where the different devices can be selected, there is a "mic" device |
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| 22:38.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell Fosten -about i forgot root's password |
| 22:38.03 | antgel | ls -l Packages |
| 22:38.07 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: but it's just called Mic, can't find any Center labels... |
| 22:38.07 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, are you using alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 22:38.08 | antgel | doh |
| 22:38.13 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: alsamixer |
| 22:38.16 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, *shrug* that's how i'd do it |
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| 22:38.27 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, it might be clipping it to "mic as c" |
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| 22:38.40 | Brain^ | isn't there a prebuild configuration that install's the most packages you are gonna need (this means NOT apache etc...) instead of using aptitude |
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| 22:38.57 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.07 | antgel | Brain^: how can you define what's needed? |
| 22:39.07 | eeyore- | brainworm: dpkg --set-selections |
| 22:39.14 | dondelelcaro | Brain^: there are tasksel options that make a guess, but the packages that you are going to need is completely dependent on what you're actually going to use. |
| 22:39.18 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: doesn't look like clipping, there's enough room but it just says "mic"... there's a label called "Mic Boos" right next to it, however |
| 22:39.20 | dkf | dondelelcaro: the apt-get cache is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/712 |
| 22:39.21 | eeyore- | Brain^: ^^^ |
| 22:39.29 | Guerin | Brain^: no, because the debian installer authors, in their not quite infininte but pretty good wisdom, decided not to make those choices for you |
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| 22:40.14 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, hit f4 |
| 22:40.28 | antgel | dkf: you don't need to run apt-cache as root |
| 22:40.34 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: ok... |
| 22:40.40 | dondelelcaro | dkf: it requires cpp; apt-cache policy cpp; is the appropriate output; also, give us the output of apt-get install xdm; there again. |
| 22:41.06 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, is "mic" marked with the red "captur" and is the "catpture" device turned up? |
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| 22:41.20 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: exactly |
| 22:41.33 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: but it's also enabled as playback, should I disable that? |
| 22:41.38 | Brain^ | antgel: I don't know what I need... I guess the most things that I need for let's say compiling a irc client, installing a webserver etc... |
| 22:41.44 | Brain^ | but the aptitude |
| 22:41.50 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, no.. is "capture" flagged with the red "captur" too? |
| 22:42.01 | Brain^ | there are so many packages that for a "leek" it's not easy to know what you need |
| 22:42.01 | antgel | Brain^: why would you compile an irc client? debian contains loads |
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| 22:42.14 | dkf | dondelelcaro: it is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/713 |
| 22:42.15 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: yes it is |
| 22:42.25 | micka | i have write *mymodule* in /etc/hotplug/blacklist but in startup *mymodule* is loaded why ? |
| 22:42.27 | antgel | Brain^: have you read the apt howto and debian reference? |
| 22:42.28 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: "captur" with red "L" and "R" next to it |
| 22:42.44 | fken | see ya |
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| 22:42.54 | Brain^ | antgel: No, didn't know there was one |
| 22:42.58 | micka | how force don't load a module |
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| 22:43.02 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, go to shell, 'amixer scontrols' and pastebin the output |
| 22:43.06 | sorush20 | guys is there a free domain registeration service |
| 22:43.34 | Guerin | sorush20: dyndns.orc |
| 22:43.35 | Guerin | g |
| 22:43.36 | SerajewelKS | sorush20, yahoo domains is only $10/year |
| 22:43.40 | antgel | Brain^: may i suggest that whenever you install somethig critical like an OS that you visit the documentation e.g. www.debian.rg/doc |
| 22:43.41 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:43.48 | antgel | s/rg/org |
| 22:43.57 | Guerin | for $10/year you cann almost get a domain from a REAL registrar |
| 22:44.13 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, yahoo lets me change my nameservers so i don't care =P |
| 22:44.26 | Yulia | other ask: i am trying to run tulip, but it says this: Unable to resolve Xmu symbols - please check your Xmu library installation. |
| 22:44.29 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.com/364979 |
| 22:44.34 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: eew, but it's ... yahoo. |
| 22:44.46 | fas3r | for the passive mode for ftp .. it's the server whose open more port or it's the clients? |
| 22:44.48 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, yeah i know but they had a $5/yr special when i joined |
| 22:44.56 | Guerin | fas3r: both |
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| 22:45.15 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, is 'four channel mode' currently muted? |
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| 22:45.30 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: no |
| 22:45.34 | fas3r | ok thank .. |
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| 22:45.58 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, mute it then try recording again |
| 22:46.07 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: ok trying... |
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| 22:46.15 | SerajewelKS | okay it's happening again, so i'm going to repeat a question i asked an hour ago |
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| 22:46.18 | SerajewelKS | i'm using juk, which uses arts, which is configured to use alsa, which is using the dmix plugin. every so often (randomly it seems) when the track in juk changes, the new song will be playing in some 3d room or something.. it's like juk is randomly turning on reverb somewhere. restarting the track usually fixes it, but how can i keep it from happening? |
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| 22:46.36 | Gorbus | Hi! X.org problems with keyboard: ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work, nor does setxkbmap. Debian Testing, kernel 2.4.27-2-686. |
| 22:46.43 | Yulia | SerajewelKS, : i am trying to run tulip, but it says this: Unable to resolve Xmu symbols - please check your Xmu library installation. |
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| 22:46.51 | SerajewelKS | to my knowledge, it's not touching my card's 3d controls |
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| 22:46.57 | Gorbus | xorg.conf contains: Identifier "Keyboard1" ; Driver "kbd" |
| 22:47.07 | Gorbus | Any ideas? |
| 22:47.12 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: didn't help |
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| 22:47.18 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, i don't use tulip |
| 22:47.19 | streuner | !any ideas |
| 22:47.20 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 rabid platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 22:47.55 | streuner | Gorbus: what does BTS say? |
| 22:47.56 | Yulia | SerajewelKS, do you know which library i need? |
| 22:47.58 | setnf | hi i have installed libssl-dev and i am trying to recompile php source code starting with: # ./configure --with-imap --with-kerberos --with-imap-ssl and i got this error: configure: error: Cannot find OpenSSL's <evp.h> |
| 22:47.58 | setnf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.59 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, dunno then.. it looks okay from here =/ |
| 22:48.06 | SerajewelKS | Yulia, no. i do not use tulip. |
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| 22:48.58 | SerajewelKS | anyway this juk/arts thing is getting annoying |
| 22:49.11 | SerajewelKS | does arts have some kind of effect panel? |
| 22:49.42 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: I tried audacity for recording tests, maybe I did something wrong with that app? any recommendation how to test mic? |
| 22:49.56 | Guerin | CosmoDad: use 'rec' |
| 22:50.10 | abrotman | platypuses is plural? |
| 22:50.29 | CosmoDad | Guerin: well did that |
| 22:50.30 | Guerin | platypi |
| 22:50.35 | abrotman | guess so |
| 22:50.37 | rbochan | heh |
| 22:50.38 | abrotman | no .. it's right |
| 22:50.51 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: don't know if a alsamixer screenshot helps you: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhgu/ss.jpg |
| 22:50.55 | eeyore- | setnf: did you install openssl development package? |
| 22:51.13 | setnf | eeyore-, yes man, as i said the file exists. |
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| 22:51.36 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, not really. the pastebin had all the info i needed. |
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| 22:51.45 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: for recording, would the device /dev/dsp/ be correct? I use dmixing on both OSS and alsa |
| 22:51.47 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 22:51.47 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, all i can say is test the mic on known-working hardware |
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| 22:51.50 | eeyore- | setnf: well then, the configure fragment is screwed. fix it. |
| 22:51.55 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, /dev/dsp isn't a folder |
| 22:52.42 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: I know, how'd that matter? |
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| 22:52.56 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, you said /dev/dsp/ |
| 22:53.02 | dkf | dondelelcaro: if you don't have time for this now, I will try another time |
| 22:53.09 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: oh yeah sorry, of course it's /dev/dsp |
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| 22:53.19 | setnf | eeyore-, how ? :) |
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| 22:53.42 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, i don't think it matters whether you use OSS or alsa |
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| 22:54.03 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: ok... thanks for helping, last question: after changing alsamixer options, do I need to restart alsa-utils? |
| 22:54.11 | Yulia | Anyone knows what library i need to load? -->unable to resolve Xmu symbols - please check your Xmu library installation. |
| 22:54.27 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, no, it talks to the hardware |
| 22:54.33 | robin_sz | evening guys ... quick kwestion, as you lot seem to know everyting .. i want to set up a printer so that anyhting that gets printed is superimposed/combined with a postscript background .. any clues?? |
| 22:54.33 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: ok |
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| 22:54.56 | Maneit | Yulia: I would guess that you need linbxmu-dev :> |
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| 22:55.03 | sursar | Hi - using sarge - I'm seeing a heap of 'localhost init: Id "5" respawning too fast:' errors/warnings/statements in my syslog which end-up filling my system - is this a known issue and/or how do I fix it ? |
| 22:55.09 | Maneit | Yulia: libxmu-dev, sorry |
| 22:55.11 | jair_11 | guys how are you doing today? |
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| 22:55.24 | jair_11 | anyone here have bees used clamav? |
| 22:55.36 | abrotman | noone .. never |
| 22:55.41 | jair_11 | abrotman, haha |
| 22:55.45 | jair_11 | abrotman, how are you? |
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| 22:55.47 | dondelelcaro | dkf: try to install cpp; then and give the output of that |
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| 22:55.57 | Yulia | Maneit, this is what i thought : ibxmu-dev is already the newest version |
| 22:55.59 | dkf | robin-sz I think you do that in creating the .ps file that goes to the printer... I think Word has a way to do that. |
| 22:56.00 | abrotman | jair_11: i have three thumbs .. but otherwise ok |
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| 22:56.08 | jair_11 | abrotman, basically this AV will detect windows viruses or Unix Linux viruses? |
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| 22:56.15 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 22:56.19 | abrotman | jair_11: did you read about it .. at all? |
| 22:56.19 | jair_11 | abrotman, cool |
| 22:56.22 | abrotman | !clamav |
| 22:56.22 | dpkg | clamav is, like, http://clamav.elektrapro.com, an anti-virus toolkit written from scratch. It is licensed under GNU GPL2 and uses the virus database from OpenAntiVirus. It has support for on-demand email scanning, conventional directory scanning and in Linux, on-access file scan, good for Samba/Netatalk servers. |
| 22:56.24 | jair_11 | nope |
| 22:56.27 | Maneit | Yulia: try libxmuu-dev :> |
| 22:56.31 | robin_sz | dkf: no, thats not what I want .. but thanks anyway. |
| 22:56.32 | jair_11 | abrotman, I am looking for the page now |
| 22:56.34 | Yulia | Mandus, |
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| 22:56.51 | jair_11 | abrotman, I read about it because I am setting up an email server |
| 22:56.56 | Yulia | Maneit, idem |
| 22:57.02 | abrotman | dpkg: clamav =~ s#http://clamav.elektrapro.com,#http://www.clamav.net/ ..# |
| 22:57.02 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 22:57.13 | dafen | the flgrx driver jerks on 2.6.12 when running opengl application |
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| 22:57.16 | dkf | dondelelcaro: at http://channels.debian.net/paste/714. |
| 22:57.23 | dafen | have no jerks at all on 2.6.8 |
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| 22:57.38 | abrotman | so .. don't use 2.6.12? |
| 22:57.43 | dafen | not an option |
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| 22:58.05 | abrotman | dafen: ask #ati then ... |
| 22:58.14 | robin_sz | dkf: its for a particualr accounting package that uses special printed forms .. or you can get a delux version that embeds a postscript background for an extr $400 ... I figured a linux shared printer that added the background would be $400 cheaper :) |
| 22:58.20 | dafen | not an answer |
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| 22:58.31 | abrotman | dafen: yes it is .. fglrx is NOT in debian |
| 22:58.37 | EvilSporkMan | arla isn't installing correctly in testing...it fails to create /dev/nnpfs0 and install fails with "chmod: cannot access `/dev/nnpfs0': No such file or directory". I suspect that this is due to udev, because /dev/.static/dev/nnpfs0 exists. how can i fix this? |
| 22:58.41 | dkf | sounds right robin_sz |
| 22:58.44 | dafen | possible kernel problem? |
| 22:58.54 | dafen | it uses agp GART |
| 22:58.56 | abrotman | dafen: did you compile your own kernle ? |
| 22:58.58 | dafen | part of the kernel |
| 22:58.59 | abrotman | kernel |
| 22:59.00 | dafen | yep, always |
| 22:59.04 | abrotman | dafen: #kernel |
| 22:59.04 | Lumination | xmltv is the bomb |
| 22:59.07 | sursar | again, anyone know how I can about debugging varios 'Id "4" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes' messages that are filling up my /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 22:59.35 | drac | abrotman: nah, just #ati since kernel gets tainted by such code :P |
| 22:59.35 | abrotman | dafen: at this point .. you're not using a debian kernel or video drivers available in debian ... |
| 22:59.41 | dondelelcaro | dkf: and the output of apt-get install cpp-3.3? [keep following it with the packages and the apt-cache poliy; output until you get a definitive reason why the package can't be installed.] |
| 22:59.50 | dafen | kernel-source is debian patched |
| 22:59.52 | dondelelcaro | !info cpp-3.3 sarge |
| 22:59.55 | dpkg | cpp-3.3: (The GNU C preprocessor), section interpreters, is standard. Version: 1:3.3.5-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 1360 kB, Installed size: 3136 kB |
| 23:00.03 | dkf | dondelelcaro: I did and the output is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/715 |
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| 23:00.12 | dkf | it says I already have the most recent version... |
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| 23:00.28 | dondelelcaro | dkf: cpp-3.3 not cpp-3.3-base |
| 23:00.32 | Yulia | Mercury, |
| 23:00.39 | Yulia | Maneit, any idea? |
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| 23:01.23 | Maneit | Yulia: No, sorry |
| 23:01.35 | Yulia | thx u anyway |
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| 23:03.11 | |dennis| | question: are there any issues with the 2.6 smp kernel and adaptec 2400a raid cards?? when i boot into 2.4, everything works ok....but when i boot into 2.6 smp..i get this error after about 10 mins of operation >> dpti0: Trying to abort cmd and after which everything freezes... |
| 23:03.14 | |dennis| | any ideas? |
| 23:03.26 | dkf | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/716 |
| 23:03.36 | dkf | but I sort of did this already, and it seems to go in circles |
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| 23:03.40 | CosmoDad | is it possible to install and purge packages at the same time in an aptitude one-liner (and a single aptitude call)? |
| 23:03.57 | streuner | no |
| 23:03.58 | dkf | it wants an earlier version of one of these basic utility programs |
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| 23:04.21 | CosmoDad | ok... |
| 23:04.23 | dondelelcaro | dkf: uh, what is the apt-cache policy cpp-3.3; output? |
| 23:04.24 | streuner | CosmoDad: you can use apt or dpkg only one session as root... |
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| 23:04.49 | EvilSporkMan | arla isn't installing correctly in testing...it fails to create /dev/nnpfs0 and install fails with "chmod: cannot access `/dev/nnpfs0': No such file or directory". I suspect that this is due to udev, because /dev/.static/dev/nnpfs0 exists. how can i fix this? |
| 23:04.51 | dondelelcaro | dkf: and gcc-3.3-base? |
| 23:04.54 | abrotman | |dennis|: did you try a 2.6 non-smp kernle ? |
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| 23:05.01 | dondelelcaro | !info gcc-3.3-base sarge |
| 23:05.06 | dpkg | gcc-3.3-base: (The GNU Compiler Collection (base package)), section devel, is required. Version: 1:3.3.5-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 23:05.28 | robin_sz | ok, is there a good irc channel for linuxy printer stuff? |
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| 23:05.36 | stew | CosmoDad: apt-get remove --purge foo bar+ <-- will purge foo ant install bar |
| 23:05.38 | |dennis| | abrotman: no.. should try that..maybe narrow down the problem....because we do have two processors...so yeah..thanks..shall try that and get back to you... |
| 23:05.43 | dondelelcaro | dkf: since you've either got a version of gcc-3.3-base installed (or is trying to be installed) that is not actually in sarge. |
| 23:05.45 | streuner | robin_sz: are you using debian? |
| 23:06.01 | abrotman | |dennis|: ti's a 2410SA ? |
| 23:06.13 | |dennis| | no.. a 2400A |
| 23:06.15 | stew | CosmoDad: oh you said aptitude. it should work the same in aptitude nonetheess |
| 23:06.15 | robin_sz | streuner: yes |
| 23:06.20 | dkf | dondelelcaro: it's at http://channels.debian.net/paste/718 |
| 23:06.26 | abrotman | |dennis|: SATA? |
| 23:06.30 | streuner | robin_sz: what printer do you have? |
| 23:06.35 | |dennis| | ATA raid... |
| 23:06.39 | CosmoDad | stew: ok thx |
| 23:06.39 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 23:06.49 | dondelelcaro | dkf: and gcc-3.3-base? |
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| 23:06.55 | dkf | I think that's right... |
| 23:06.55 | robin_sz | ummm ... various laserjets, why do you ask? |
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| 23:06.59 | jaster | night .*!! :) |
| 23:07.00 | abrotman | |dennis|: yeah .. try non-smp .. see what happens |
| 23:07.04 | CosmoDad | stew: out of curiosity: is there a purge switch too if you use install instead of "remove --purge" ? |
| 23:07.22 | |dennis| | [17:06] <abrotman> oh jeez :that did not sound like it was agood thing...are there any know problems?? |
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| 23:07.27 | |dennis| | and yeah shall try non-smp... |
| 23:07.31 | stew | CosmoDad: apt-get isntall bar foo- <- install foo and remove foo, but not purge foo, i dunno about purge |
| 23:07.36 | abrotman | |dennis|: no .. more that it was ATA RAID :) |
| 23:07.43 | stew | err, install bar remove foo... |
| 23:08.01 | dkf | dondelelcaro: at http://channels.debian.net/paste/719 |
| 23:08.01 | CosmoDad | stew: ok I knew about "-" to remove, but none for purge either |
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| 23:08.19 | streuner | robin_sz: because you asking about "printer stuff"? |
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| 23:08.43 | streuner | robin_sz: so what's the problem? |
| 23:08.52 | dkf | it looks as though the problem is stuff in /var/lib/dpkg |
| 23:09.02 | dkf | I just installed from netinstall |
| 23:09.02 | dondelelcaro | dkf: notice the difference between the versions there? what exactly were did you do to this machine previously? |
| 23:09.16 | robin_sz | streuner: no problem ... I just want to superimpose a postscript background on my print jobs .. |
| 23:09.30 | dkf | so far as I am aware, I did a basic install with netinstall |
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| 23:09.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i don't think that's english :) |
| 23:09.55 | dkf | since then I've managed to install a couple of small programs with aptitude, but am stuck on x-windows and a GUI |
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| 23:10.20 | dkf | dkf: feeling very grateful to dondelelcaro |
| 23:10.35 | dkf | any suggestions as to how to get out of this? |
| 23:10.37 | dondelelcaro | dkf: quite clearly you've changed your sources.list since then; in either case, you're going to have to install the versions of those packages that are actually in stable. |
| 23:10.48 | dkf | how do I do that? |
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| 23:11.01 | dkf | that is what I thought I was trying to do |
| 23:11.05 | dondelelcaro | dkf: use the = option to aptitude (or use the curses gui) to install the versions of the package that are actually available in stable. |
| 23:11.19 | dkf | ok, I will try that |
| 23:11.19 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: just came into my mind: If I use alsa dmixing globally with /etc/asound.conf, will I need any extra configuration for mic recording? |
| 23:11.34 | dkf | this is for the cpp, gcc and perl-base problems? |
| 23:11.38 | dondelelcaro | dkf: FE; aptitude install gcc-3.3-base=1:3.3.5-13 |
| 23:11.54 | dondelelcaro | dkf: and next time, install using the stable netinst images, not the testing ones or whatever you were using. |
| 23:12.03 | SerajewelKS | CosmoDad, i doubt it. dmix should be multiplexing that too. |
| 23:12.05 | dkf | I got it from the Debian page |
| 23:12.09 | dkf | anyway, thanks... |
| 23:12.15 | dkf | I have to go make some dinner |
| 23:12.16 | dondelelcaro | dkf: not from debian.org/CD you didn't... |
| 23:12.23 | antgel | dkf: the debian website has links to a million isos |
| 23:12.32 | dkf | I downloaded netinstall and burned a cd |
| 23:12.38 | dkf | ooops |
| 23:12.40 | CosmoDad | SerajewelKS: that's what I thought, but I hoped you didn't :) |
| 23:12.43 | dondelelcaro | dkf: there are at least 10 netinst images... |
| 23:12.45 | dkf | I am sorry now, aren't I |
| 23:13.01 | dkf | (I'm not sure that's English...) |
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| 23:13.29 | dkf | well, I will bid you goodnight for the moment and see if I can clear up the mess |
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| 23:14.21 | abrotman | !tell Chello about root |
| 23:14.21 | Kernel-Kris | anyone here want to help me with asterisk |
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| 23:15.26 | stew | Kernel-Kris: ask a question about asterisk, if someone knows, they will answer |
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| 23:16.26 | JohnGH | Is anyone else having trouble with apt-get hanging at the moment? |
| 23:16.39 | streuner | yes |
| 23:16.44 | streuner | try later |
| 23:16.50 | Zenethian | or use a different server? |
| 23:16.56 | JohnGH | I tried that |
| 23:17.08 | Zenethian | which did you try? |
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| 23:17.15 | Zenethian | because some of them are the same. :) |
| 23:18.04 | streuner | !listkeys marillat |
| 23:18.06 | buu | So how do I let a chrooted program access the internet. |
| 23:18.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'marillat' by key (5): marillat key ;; marillat-key ;; marillat #DEL# ;; marillat ;; marillat mirrors. |
| 23:18.11 | Kernel-Kris | i was wondering if anyone had done an asterisk install by apt-get and maybe had some notes |
| 23:18.14 | streuner | !marilat mirrors |
| 23:18.27 | Zenethian | chroot shouldn't have any problem accessing network resources. |
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| 23:18.32 | buu | Zenethian: Really? |
| 23:18.36 | streuner | JohnGH: /msg dpkg marillat mirrors |
| 23:18.38 | Zenethian | Why would it? |
| 23:18.41 | buu | Zenethian: I copied ping in there, chrooted, and can't ping my own ip. |
| 23:18.42 | Zenethian | chroot affects the filesystem. |
| 23:18.45 | antgel | Kernel-Kris: you need to describe your problem if you want help |
| 23:18.46 | JohnGH | I did kill -HUP <apt-get pid> and <ppid> and then rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 23:18.49 | matteo | buu: they just works |
| 23:18.50 | Zenethian | ping is setuid. |
| 23:18.51 | billytwowilly | could someone point me to a howto on building a netinst cd? |
| 23:18.58 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 23:18.58 | dpkg | i heard custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
| 23:19.08 | abrotman | billytwowilly: probably the last two |
| 23:19.11 | Zenethian | when you copied it, you probably didn't set the setuid root. |
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| 23:19.41 | buu | matteo: Hrm. That's interesting. I can ping ips, but it won't resolve domains. |
| 23:19.45 | streuner | JohnGH: that wasn't a good idea |
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| 23:19.50 | JohnGH | I am on testing |
| 23:20.01 | Zenethian | buu: you need to copy /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf into your chroot |
| 23:20.02 | antgel | JohnGH: nor was that |
| 23:20.07 | matteo | buu: copy resolv.conf |
| 23:20.09 | JohnGH | streuner: is there another way to get out of it? |
| 23:20.11 | billytwowilly | abrotman, will this all transfer over to ubuntu? |
| 23:20.13 | streuner | JohnGH: you could just comment that sources out and simply run 'apt-get update' then |
| 23:20.18 | abrotman | billytwowilly: no idea .. ask #ubuntu |
| 23:20.39 | billytwowilly | abrotman, they are useless;) |
| 23:20.52 | buu | matteo: Hrm. Still getting a 'domain unknown' |
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| 23:21.01 | antgel | billytwowilly: then install debian so you can benefit from our expertise |
| 23:21.06 | matteo | buu: what domain? |
| 23:21.08 | abrotman | billytwowilly: that doesn't mean you should ask #debian .. you chose Ubuntu .. you get thier support .. not Debian's |
| 23:21.10 | buu | matteo: google.com ! |
| 23:21.16 | matteo | mm |
| 23:21.21 | matteo | never heard it :P |
| 23:21.22 | stew | Kernel-Kris: no notes. i found it was pretty easy to get up and running. do you have any specific questions? |
| 23:21.22 | Zenethian | buu: you need to copy /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf into your chroot |
| 23:21.34 | buu | ls etc: hosts perl resolv.conf |
| 23:21.43 | Zenethian | hmm |
| 23:21.59 | Zenethian | did you setuid ping? |
| 23:22.02 | matteo | try also /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 23:22.17 | buu | matteo: Not yet. |
| 23:22.19 | buu | Zenethian: Um. No? |
| 23:22.24 | matteo | and /etc/host.conf |
| 23:22.24 | Zenethian | ping has to be setuid root. |
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| 23:22.34 | matteo | ping has to send raw ICMP packets |
| 23:22.39 | Zenethian | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 36356 2003-12-22 16:18 /bin/ping |
| 23:22.49 | buu | matteo: So how come I can ping ips without setuid'ing it? |
| 23:23.02 | matteo | ah, you can't |
| 23:23.03 | buu | (No change with /etc/nsswitch.conf) |
| 23:23.09 | buu | matteo: Well, I can ping ips. |
| 23:23.09 | matteo | ping *is* setuid |
| 23:23.20 | JohnGH | so do we know *why* it is hanging yet? |
| 23:23.21 | matteo | what is ips? |
| 23:23.23 | Zenethian | buu: is your ping already setuid? :) |
| 23:23.34 | Zenethian | JohnGH: yeah, because you need to use a different server. I told you that. :) |
| 23:23.56 | Zenethian | http.us.debian.org was lagging for me, so I switched to mirrors.kernel.org and it works just fine now. |
| 23:24.04 | dvs | matteo: IPs. Internet addresses |
| 23:24.14 | matteo | ah |
| 23:24.27 | matteo | you don't need the resolver to ping IPs |
| 23:24.30 | buu | matteo: Er, right. |
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| 23:24.37 | matteo | you need it to ping hostnames |
| 23:24.42 | buu | matteo: So how do I enable it? |
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| 23:24.52 | matteo | try with dig |
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| 23:24.57 | matteo | dig google.com |
| 23:25.04 | matteo | and look at the output |
| 23:25.13 | buu | ... |
| 23:25.14 | JohnGH | Zenethian: thanks |
| 23:25.28 | magyar | is there a web based firewall for debian? |
| 23:25.34 | dotfile | hi... does anybody have any experience with wine? |
| 23:25.47 | antgel | !tell dotfile about ask |
| 23:25.48 | JohnGH | that's fun... I've changed servers and it *Still* hangs |
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| 23:25.57 | Zenethian | JohnGH: maybe its something local then. :) |
| 23:26.07 | Zenethian | JohnGH: are you behind a proxy firewall? |
| 23:26.33 | Zenethian | magyar: define "Web-based" for your firewall. Do you mean web configurable? |
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| 23:27.07 | magyar | Zenethian: yeap, web-configurable |
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| 23:27.24 | Zenethian | magyar: iptables itself (which is really the ONLY firewall for linux) is web configurable. |
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| 23:27.28 | SerajewelKS | lol.. non-web-based firewall: it protects you from everything.. literally |
| 23:27.30 | antgel | magyar: webmin might have some crap like that |
| 23:27.33 | Zenethian | using webmin. |
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| 23:27.38 | dotfile | Wine does not seem to think my CDROM is a CDROM, or something. I'm trying to install a windows app from CDROM, and the installer executes but asks for the very CD it is running off of. it blew my mind. |
| 23:27.53 | petemc | Zenethian: some people are still using iptables |
| 23:28.00 | SerajewelKS | dotfile, wine is broken for complicated things. use qemu. |
| 23:28.03 | asmodaiii | hi folks |
| 23:28.14 | Zenethian | petemc: You mean ipchains? because I said optables. :) |
| 23:28.14 | dotfile | qemu..... |
| 23:28.22 | magyar | Zenethian: nahh, more like a monowall style |
| 23:28.23 | dotfile | I know wine used to work.... |
| 23:28.31 | auto_314 | I just installed the Xorg Debian packages, but the X server quits instantly after you start it. |
| 23:28.31 | Zenethian | magyar: monowall? |
| 23:28.34 | petemc | Zenethian: gah, i do of course |
| 23:28.48 | buu | matteo: 'dig google.com' under the chroot works perfectly. |
| 23:28.51 | Zenethian | petemc: aye, and ipchains can be configured with webmin too. :) |
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| 23:29.13 | Zenethian | monowall is a distribution. |
| 23:29.15 | matteo | buu: dig doesn't use the resolver |
| 23:29.18 | stew | !m0n0wall |
| 23:29.18 | dpkg | [monowall] a freebsd based firewall that provides a web based configuration and will run off a 8mb CF card: http://m0n0.ch/wall |
| 23:29.19 | Zenethian | not a firewall application. |
| 23:29.22 | matteo | it resolves hostnames by hand |
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| 23:29.28 | JohnGH | Zenethian: no, just a router |
| 23:29.38 | buu | matteo: Er, so why was I digging? |
| 23:29.40 | antgel | auto_314: you haven't told us much. hence the only advice i can think of is to use sarge |
| 23:29.48 | SerajewelKS | dotCOMmie, maybe your wine.conf shows it as a hard disk |
| 23:29.52 | Zenethian | JohnGH: hrmmm.. odd. can you ping it? does it at least download a little bit? |
| 23:29.59 | SerajewelKS | s/dotCOMmie/dotfile/ |
| 23:30.02 | matteo | buu: to see if is possible to resolve |
| 23:30.05 | JohnGH | I can get the packages files fine... |
| 23:30.05 | Zenethian | JohnGH: can you get to other websites on that box? |
| 23:30.08 | auto_314 | antgel: There isn't much to tell: the logs just say "server died unexpectedly". |
| 23:30.14 | Zenethian | weird. |
| 23:30.14 | matteo | dig can, so the resolver can too |
| 23:30.16 | buu | matteo: Yeah, and I can ping the resolved ip |
| 23:30.24 | antgel | auto_314: did you grep for EE in the log |
| 23:30.31 | kithe | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian on a D400 laptop, with a intel 855 Chipset, any one have any experience of this? |
| 23:30.33 | dvs | auto_314: look in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
| 23:30.40 | student | Hi, so my new 2.6 sarge just auto mounts my usb, ipod, etc. which is really nice. I don't even mess with the fstab. But my question is how to umount the stuff mounted in /media ? since there is no fstab record |
| 23:30.40 | JohnGH | it just hangs after it says "After unpacking XXXkB disk space will be freed." |
| 23:30.40 | dotCOMmie | false alarm! |
| 23:30.40 | matteo | buu: ok, try: strace ping google.com |
| 23:30.40 | dotCOMmie | d: |
| 23:30.47 | Zenethian | " m0n0wall is probably the first UNIX system that has its boot-time configuration done with PHP," |
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| 23:30.51 | Zenethian | that makes me cry |
| 23:30.54 | antgel | kithe: what sort of responses do you think you'll get to that question?q |
| 23:30.57 | Zenethian | why...why oh why would you do that with PHP? |
| 23:31.03 | auto_314 | antgel: None. |
| 23:31.19 | antgel | auto_314: do you need xorg? |
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| 23:32.01 | buu | matteo: Hrm, ok |
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| 23:32.08 | dotfile | SerajewelKS: the gui setup for wine shows drive initial D, CD-ROM bound to /media/cdrom0 and /dev/hdc. is that correct on a default debian install? |
| 23:32.10 | auto_314 | dvs: Nothing out of the ordinary, no errors. |
| 23:32.29 | dvs | auto_314: If it didn't work then there must be something. A line with (EE) in it. |
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| 23:32.39 | buu | matteo: Anything in specific I'm looking for? |
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| 23:32.54 | kithe | antgel "yes I have don't it, whats wrong?" or "nope sorry mate" ? the problem at hand is that XFree can't seem to find a Video BIOS after I installed the Intel drivers for that chipset and I have run the 855patch. |
| 23:33.01 | auto_314 | dvs: There's no line with EE in it anywhere. |
| 23:33.13 | SerajewelKS | dotfile, that should do it |
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| 23:33.41 | SerajewelKS | dotfile, qemu w/kqemu works quite well for a real windows environment, if you don't mind a bit of slowness. what are you trying to install? |
| 23:33.45 | auto_314 | antgel: Well, all the X packages depend on it, don't they? |
| 23:33.54 | matteo | buu: gethostbyname and similar things |
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| 23:33.58 | victor__ | hi |
| 23:34.11 | JohnGH | hmmm it's not the sources.list and it's not my firewall.. I have another machine with the same sources.list and it's working fine. |
| 23:34.18 | antgel | kithe: and how would yes or no answers help anybody? as far as your issue goes, haven't got a clue, but at least we all know what it is :9 |
| 23:34.23 | victor__ | is there a Video Joiner, i have full of litle movie that i whant to merge? |
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| 23:34.45 | antgel | auto_314: not in stable, which is what you should be using if 1. you can't fix stuff 2. you want support |
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| 23:34.56 | kithe | antgel it would tell me if it's worth hanging around or not... |
| 23:35.09 | auto_314 | antgel: So how do I downgrade to stable? |
| 23:35.11 | antgel | kithe: as would asking your question straight off the bat |
| 23:35.23 | antgel | !tell auto_314 about downgrade |
| 23:35.42 | antgel | auto_314: just for the record, as this crops up a fair bit, why didn't you install stable in the first place?q |
| 23:35.46 | buu | matteo: connect(4, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/nscd/socket"}, 110) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 23:36.00 | kithe | antgel hey, I'm justed to answering questions not asking then okay? ;) |
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| 23:36.17 | auto_314 | antgel: I did, and then I upgraded (about a year and a half ago now). |
| 23:36.21 | matteo | buu: i haven't /var/run/nscd |
| 23:36.35 | sandman | Doesn't bitlbeed in Debian have an init script? |
| 23:36.48 | student | could someone help me here, my new 2.6 sarge just auto mounts my usb, ipod, etc. which is really nice. I don't even mess with the fstab. But my question is how to umount the stuff mounted in /media ? since there is no fstab recor |
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| 23:37.00 | stew | sandman: no, it runs out of (x)inetd |
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| 23:38.49 | sandman | stew: Okay, I'm using Sarge, and installed bitlbee. However, when I connect to loopback on 6667 with irssi, it says connection established, then it's lost 10 seconds later. |
| 23:38.51 | buu | matteo: Ahah! I needed libnss_dns.so.2 |
| 23:38.53 | sandman | Consistently. |
| 23:38.54 | guk | does anyone here know if it's possible to raid a filesystem (my root filesystem) without removing anything ? |
| 23:39.00 | sandman | I restarted inetd. |
| 23:39.01 | Respek | whats the official site for sarge linux? |
| 23:39.14 | matteo | lol |
| 23:39.17 | antgel | guk: what sort of raid?q |
| 23:39.24 | matteo | buu: use ldd before chrooting |
| 23:39.28 | cheal | Respek: there's no such thing as sarge linux. |
| 23:39.33 | cheal | !tell Respek about sarge |
| 23:39.35 | Respek | cheal whatever it is.. |
| 23:39.49 | buu | matteo: I did! |
| 23:39.54 | dondelelcaro | Respek: it's www.debian.org... |
| 23:40.00 | guk | antgel: software raid-0 |
| 23:40.05 | Respek | Ok |
| 23:40.06 | matteo | buu: you did it also on needed libraries? |
| 23:40.11 | Respek | i just made myself look stupid. |
| 23:40.14 | exobyte | Is there a debian version of snoop |
| 23:40.16 | buu | matteo: /bin/ping isn't linked against libnss_dns |
| 23:40.17 | JohnGH | Zenethian: I can access the mirror I'm trying to use fine using links. |
| 23:40.19 | matteo | buu: you must run ldd recursively on libraries too |
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| 23:40.22 | buu | oh |
| 23:40.25 | matteo | heh |
| 23:40.28 | buu | Ick. |
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| 23:40.40 | antgel | Respek: it was more funny. you aren't even in the top 5 morons |
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| 23:40.43 | victor__ | is there a video merger in debian or mixer? |
| 23:40.45 | matteo | ping need resolv that needs nss |
| 23:41.08 | buu | matteo: libresolv isn't linked against libnss either |
| 23:41.13 | Respek | antgel Damn. |
| 23:41.13 | sandman | Interesting. the install actually failed |
| 23:41.17 | sandman | Now it works fine |
| 23:41.21 | buu | It's linked against ld-linux and libc |
| 23:41.25 | matteo | buu: something will need it |
| 23:41.31 | matteo | or it is loaded at runtime |
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| 23:41.46 | matteo | linked against libdl? |
| 23:41.48 | buu | matteo: Obviously something needs it, but I don't see how I could have found that out without stracing ping |
| 23:41.51 | meriad | whats the best way to copy entire directories over SSH and compress on the fly to reduce bandwidth consumption? |
| 23:41.51 | JohnGH | I'm off to bed.. it's 20 to 1... I'll look at it tomorrow - thanks for your help. |
| 23:42.02 | matteo | buu: look for libdl |
| 23:42.08 | JohnGH | meriad: rsync |
| 23:42.21 | matteo | JohnGH: heh |
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| 23:42.57 | JohnGH | meriad: rsync -Ptvzr <FILES> <TARGET> probably |
| 23:43.05 | crazytaxzi | hey there guys... just got Xchat |
| 23:43.09 | meriad | rsync eh... |
| 23:43.14 | crazytaxzi | this is kinda nice |
| 23:43.26 | meriad | JohnGH: can you explain all the flags |
| 23:43.30 | crazytaxzi | is there anyone here who has been able to play Starcraft on Debian |
| 23:43.35 | emRick | In short, how can I get the source code for a package _without_ downloading all the dependencies? .... In more detail, I want to look at the source code for the package "klipper". I don't want to build the package so I don't need the dependencies. But when I "apt-get source klipper", APT starts downloading 24MB of source for every package needed to build klipper. |
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| 23:43.37 | JohnGH | meriad: yes... man rsync |
| 23:43.47 | antgel | emRick: apt-get source. man apt-get |
| 23:43.58 | antgel | emRick: i'm a moron |
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| 23:44.14 | exobyte | How can I get an ethernet dump in the same format as snoop? |
| 23:44.23 | antgel | emRick: to clarify, ime, apt-get source only pulls in the one source package |
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| 23:44.41 | drp | tcpdump? |
| 23:44.41 | crazytaxzi | is there anyone here who has been able to play Starcraft on Debian |
| 23:44.51 | emRick | antgel: btw, I did read the man page. |
| 23:44.56 | meriad | how do you specify the target host |
| 23:44.58 | drp | crazytaxzi: I think we saw it the first time you typed it |
| 23:45.01 | JohnGH | meriad: sorted? |
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| 23:45.07 | meriad | JohnGH: sorted? |
| 23:45.08 | dvs | !tell crazytaxzi -about repeat |
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| 23:45.18 | meriad | JohnGH: i mean how do i show the host so like host.com:/diretory? |
| 23:45.21 | exobyte | drp: I want a lower level dump. So.. ip and ether headers |
| 23:45.34 | JohnGH | meriad: do you have all the info you need? can I go to bed now? |
| 23:45.45 | drp | exobyte: they aren't in the tcpdump? |
| 23:45.51 | JohnGH | meriad: yes, that's one way to do it :o) |
| 23:46.08 | crazytaxzi | DRP: if you saw it then why didn't you answer it? |
| 23:46.13 | JohnGH | meriad: there are various formats.. they're explained well in the man page - have you read it yet? |
| 23:46.16 | emRick | ok, klipper is part of the 24MB kdebase package. |
| 23:46.22 | meriad | yes i have johngh |
| 23:46.26 | crazytaxzi | what is the .deb for a UDP protocol? |
| 23:46.29 | meriad | JOhnGh; the flags you gave me work great,thanks sooo much |
| 23:46.53 | drp | crazytaxzi: because my answer wouldn't help you |
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| 23:47.15 | JohnGH | meriad: you'r emost welcome :o) - I know them off by heart because I use them all the time ;o) |
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| 23:47.49 | JohnGH | meriad: you also may want to look at --remove-sent-files if you want to do a move instead of a copy :o) |
| 23:48.34 | JohnGH | OK - I'm off... laters all |
| 23:50.26 | meriad | can you do error correction or testing with rsync |
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| 23:51.10 | antgel | meriad: rsync trusts lower layers to deal with errors afaik |
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| 23:52.17 | CosmoDad | I've recompiled my kernel with ACPI which is supported by my Gigabyte (year 2000) mainboard. If I boot with "apm=off acpi=force", however, my box slows down incredibly, everything runs in slow-motion. Any idea? |
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| 23:52.45 | gergo | how could I cat a bunch of files, grep it for a certain string, and then how it show the results but show which file they came from? |
| 23:52.47 | antgel | CosmoDad: yeah. you have to force it for a reason |
| 23:52.48 | thecoolestcow | yoo, how can i upgrade to Gaim 1.5? |
| 23:52.55 | CosmoDad | I get a bunch of "apm: overridden by ACPI." messages, could there be a apm-vs-acpi competition reason? |
| 23:52.59 | antgel | gergo: man grep. -n i think |
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| 23:53.02 | antgel | no |
| 23:53.05 | hyardley | both fstab and mtab have 2nd hard drive defined /dev/hdd , but new hard drive doesn't mount on boot, what am i missing something? |
| 23:53.07 | meriad | im taking I/O errors |
| 23:53.08 | meriad | heh |
| 23:53.13 | CosmoDad | antgel: I've seen Pentium M notebooks where forcing ACPI was necessary |
| 23:53.14 | sandman | Should I include my domain name in hostname? |
| 23:53.17 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:53.31 | antgel | gergo: -H |
| 23:53.38 | antgel | CosmoDad: so? |
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| 23:54.12 | antgel | CosmoDad: if acpi is loaded, apm shouldn't be. in stock kernels i think apm is modular, so should be trivial to see if it's loaded |
| 23:54.19 | gergo | -n and -H didn't work |
| 23:54.28 | CosmoDad | antgel: should "apm=off" disable it on boot-up? |
| 23:54.31 | dvs | sandman: no |
| 23:55.01 | thecoolestcow | how can i upgrade to gaim 1.5 |
| 23:55.05 | CosmoDad | antgel: and no, there're no apm modules loaded, only acpi |
| 23:55.08 | antgel | gergo: grep -H cock dir/*.pron |
| 23:55.22 | thecoolestcow | hahahah |
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| 23:55.36 | gergo | ah thank you! |
| 23:55.43 | gergo | i was looking for my porn anyway :-! |
| 23:55.47 | thecoolestcow | hahahahah |
| 23:55.58 | antgel | CosmoDad: i'm pretty sure that if the apm modules aren't loaded in a stock kernel, then apm isn't. |
| 23:56.00 | nono31 | How I change file type associations in gnome ? |
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| 23:56.23 | wizydent | is there a p2p program for Debian? |
| 23:56.26 | sandman | dvs: Where would I put my domain name if I have one? |
| 23:56.32 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 23:56.36 | sandman | I don't see an /etc/dnsdomainname |
| 23:56.36 | dvs | sandman: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:56.38 | thecoolestcow | wizydent: it's called synaptic :D |
| 23:56.42 | matteo | wizydent: mldonkey |
| 23:56.45 | wizydent | thank you |
| 23:56.45 | asmodaiii | wizydent: mldonkey |
| 23:56.50 | matteo | fast, headless, with many guis |
| 23:56.51 | asmodaiii | too late :( |
| 23:57.04 | asmodaiii | and girls! |
| 23:57.09 | matteo | haha |
| 23:57.09 | thecoolestcow | hey, apt-get doesnt offer Gaim 1.5, how can i upgrade? |
| 23:57.21 | matteo | porn-get install movies |
| 23:57.25 | dvs | thecoolestcow: sarge? |
| 23:57.25 | cheal | thecoolestcow: which release? |
| 23:57.31 | thecoolestcow | yeah, sarge |
| 23:57.38 | dvs | thecoolestcow: backports |
| 23:57.38 | kamaraju | I installed kwin-bhagira. But even after installing, it does not show up in kcontrol->Appearence&Themes->Theme Manger. How can I activate the kwin-bhagira theme? |
| 23:57.45 | thecoolestcow | svs: wha? |
| 23:57.48 | thecoolestcow | dvs* |
| 23:57.51 | antgel | thecoolestcow: sarge is stable. it doesn't get new versions of apps |
| 23:58.00 | thecoolestcow | antgel: so? |
| 23:58.05 | asmodaiii | thecoolestcow: 1.5 is unstable |
| 23:58.10 | CosmoDad | antgel: so even if that was true, do you have any idea why my machine slows down so badly? |
| 23:58.19 | thecoolestcow | dvs: what are backports? |
| 23:58.23 | matteo | thecoolestcow: stable = never changes |
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| 23:58.23 | cheal | asmodaiii: it's not unstable. it's in etch |
| 23:58.27 | dvs | !backports |
| 23:58.28 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 23:58.30 | CosmoDad | antgel: it's like running with half speed, although my Athlon doesn't allow frequency scaling |
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| 23:58.52 | asmodaiii | cheal: sorry, i say that its on unstable, thats all :( |
| 23:59.04 | asmodaiii | where do u get etch? |
| 23:59.07 | cheal | asmodaiii: no problem |
| 23:59.09 | antgel | CosmoDad: you said it's fine without acpi. i leave the rest to you |
| 23:59.10 | cheal | !u |
| 23:59.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:59.24 | cheal | asmodaiii: on any official debian mirror |
| 23:59.36 | hyardley | new slave hard drive installed doesn't mount on boot, fstab and mtab updated |
| 23:59.37 | CosmoDad | antgel: I want suspending |
| 23:59.47 | asmodaiii | cheal: humm ok, im going to looking for it ... |
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| 23:59.51 | wizydent | so MlDonkey is a p2p file share prog? |
