| 00:00.00 | asmodaiii | i could upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 00:00.18 | cheal | asmodaiii: if you consider that an upgrade, yes |
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| 00:01.06 | vilito31 | hola s todos |
| 00:01.16 | kamaraju | Anybody has a clue how to activate themes in KDE? |
| 00:01.29 | cheal | kamaraju: #debian-kde, possibly |
| 00:01.50 | kamaraju | cheal: Thanks. Trying it now. |
| 00:01.51 | vilito31 | quien habla en castellano |
| 00:02.04 | cheal | !es |
| 00:02.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:04.18 | antgel | !test |
| 00:04.18 | dpkg | Sorry, antgel, I didn't get your test. |
| 00:04.24 | dvs | hahdhdahahaha |
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| 00:04.38 | thecoolestcow | dvs: i went on backports, and all they offer is Gaim 1.1 does that mean i'm screwed, no upgrade for me? |
| 00:04.53 | dvs | thecoolestcow: I guess so. |
| 00:05.55 | cheal | thecoolestcow: why do you ned 1.5? |
| 00:05.55 | antgel | CosmoDad: try d-l mailing list |
| 00:05.55 | dvs | thecoolestcow: maybe apt-get.org? |
| 00:05.55 | thecoolestcow | dvs: my file transfer and direct connect wont work |
| 00:05.55 | antgel | kamaraju: probably www.google.com |
| 00:05.56 | sandman | What's a good, fast linux-only emulator? |
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| 00:05.58 | kamaraju | antgel: I tried that. You got any positive hits on that problem? |
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| 00:06.45 | antgel | kamaraju: no, but i can't believe that there's no guide to kde themes given the number of people who love to blog the fact that they just installed Ksomething or other |
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| 00:07.46 | antgel | thecoolestcow: if you are the kind of person who thinks he needs the latest apps and you aren't clueful, debian may not be for you (unless you're willing to put groundwork ing9 |
| 00:07.47 | shoust | can anyone tell me what is - by a room name? i know what + and @ are |
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| 00:08.21 | thecoolestcow | antgel: the only reason i want the new version is because the old one wont let me file transfer or direct connect |
| 00:08.39 | thecoolestcow | antgel: and i'm hoping that maybe it'll fix that problem, unless someone here can help me |
| 00:08.46 | kamaraju | antgel: I tried with how to install themes in kde site:lists.debian.org and none of them solve my problem. |
| 00:09.14 | antgel | kamaraju: perhaps you should describe your problem, in that case |
| 00:09.30 | antgel | !info gaim sid |
| 00:09.32 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 827 kB, Installed size: 2028 kB |
| 00:09.41 | thecoolestcow | wtf is that |
| 00:09.42 | shoust | can anyone tell me what is - by a room name? i know what + and @ are? someone has a - by each room name :-| |
| 00:09.43 | nimak | where is the xine config file located? |
| 00:09.44 | kamaraju | antgel: I installed kwin-bhagira. But even after installing, it does not show up in kcontrol->Appearence&Themes->Theme Manger. How can I activate the kwin-bhagira theme? |
| 00:10.01 | antgel | thecoolestcow: you could make your very own sid backport, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:10.16 | thecoolestcow | antgel: hmm, i'll try... |
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| 00:10.24 | antgel | kamaraju: dis you look in /usr/share/doc/kwin-bhagira? |
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| 00:10.47 | antgel | thecoolestcow: if you're new, i advise that you take it slow and try to work out what you are actually doing |
| 00:10.56 | kamaraju | antgel: Yes I looked there. There is a README.gz but it is just a changelog kinda file. Not useful in this case. |
| 00:11.07 | thecoolestcow | antgel: yes, i am new, and i'll try.. |
| 00:11.40 | antgel | kamaraju: i would dpkg -L. see where it puts files. see what else is in those directories. sniff it out |
| 00:11.55 | antgel | thecoolestcow: also, read the apt howto and debian reference |
| 00:12.11 | thecoolestcow | angel: k |
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| 00:12.51 | antgel | thecoolestcow: then you can make the backport publicly available to others |
| 00:12.58 | thecoolestcow | antgel: how? |
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| 00:13.14 | antgel | thecoolestcow: worry about that later. nothing formal |
| 00:13.25 | thecoolestcow | antgel: ok then |
| 00:13.35 | Blafasel | Hi there. I've got a debian box in front of me (sarge) that confuses me. I want default acls (xfs) to work and - they do. Unless I do a chmod on a directory |
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| 00:14.06 | Blafasel | Why does a chmod g-rwx mydir/ set the effective mask for every user acl to ---? |
| 00:14.11 | CosmoDad | antgel: d-l? |
| 00:14.26 | CosmoDad | antgel: oh ok thx |
| 00:14.29 | antgel | CosmoDad: debain-laptop. they love all that power management crap :P |
| 00:14.39 | TurffHogg | can i get debian here? |
| 00:14.42 | antgel | CosmoDad: spell it better than me of course |
| 00:14.51 | antgel | !beer TurffHogg |
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| 00:16.06 | Respek | !liquer antel |
| 00:16.15 | Respek | !liquor antel |
| 00:16.17 | Respek | :$ |
| 00:16.27 | Respek | oops antgel* |
| 00:16.36 | Respek | !weed Respek |
| 00:16.39 | TurffHogg | i tried the torrents but no seeds |
| 00:16.42 | antgel | Respek: you may wish to investigate nick completion |
| 00:17.07 | Respek | ty |
| 00:17.16 | antgel | TurffHogg: if you have a good internet connection, d/l the netinstall iso and install over the information sooperhighway |
| 00:17.31 | antgel | Respek: not to mention word completion :9 |
| 00:17.35 | antgel | grr |
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| 00:18.39 | Respek | antgel you may wish to investigate typo correction |
| 00:19.42 | antgel | Respek: my official line is taht i'm blaming any of: x11vnc, ipsec, or adsl |
| 00:19.50 | antgel | fuck. i'll get my coat. |
| 00:20.04 | Respek | we are allowed to swear in here? |
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| 00:20.24 | nimak | no one really cares |
| 00:20.25 | dvs | Respek: Yes |
| 00:20.25 | antgel | Respek: yes but picking on typos isn't cricket, unless they are especially funny |
| 00:20.31 | Whitman | I'm running fluxbox with gdm on debian etch, I can't seem to run anything at startup, both .xsession and .xinitrc are ignored, am i missing something blatently obvious? |
| 00:20.32 | robin_sz | ok, who killed ftp.uk.debian.org huh? |
| 00:21.06 | Respek | antgel i have learned lots today. I had always thought debian was just a code base, but i believe it is a actual standalone distro? |
| 00:21.12 | antgel | robin_sz: it's crap, use oxford.ac.uk. at least i get something back for giving them so much tax to buy cigars and port for the students |
| 00:21.29 | nimak | Respek: debian is a full distro |
| 00:21.36 | nimak | and a very complete one at that |
| 00:21.38 | robin_sz | Respek: what on earth gave you that idea? |
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| 00:21.41 | Respek | never knew. until today |
| 00:21.49 | antgel | Respek: it sure is. it even becomes a way of life for very sad but secretly smug people like me |
| 00:21.52 | Respek | Because, i never saw downloads anywhere for "Debian" it was just stuff 'based' on debian. |
| 00:21.58 | thecoolestcow | antgel: uhh, !info simple sid backport told me to add a deb-src for sid in sources.list, what do i write in the sources.list for sid? |
| 00:22.05 | antgel | !based on debian |
| 00:22.10 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 00:22.16 | SaLcHo | wenas? |
| 00:22.19 | nimak | debian makes a good base |
| 00:22.32 | Respek | yeah |
| 00:22.35 | robin_sz | oops, they forgot Whoppix |
| 00:22.43 | thecoolestcow | heh, whoppix is sweet. |
| 00:22.47 | Respek | I heard somewhere Knoppix isnt stable because its based on debian unstable which is unstable |
| 00:22.48 | Respek | :S |
| 00:22.51 | Respek | correct or am i wrong |
| 00:22.58 | robin_sz | wrong |
| 00:23.02 | thecoolestcow | 0wned. |
| 00:23.05 | robin_sz | usntable isnt unstable |
| 00:23.16 | Respek | That's what this nerd told me. |
| 00:23.17 | darkhmet | SaLcHo: the latin people who doesn't know english are in debian-es |
| 00:23.19 | antgel | thecoolestcow: #deb-src http://neil:9999/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 00:23.20 | robin_sz | thecoolestcow: r00t3d |
| 00:23.31 | Respek | He has about 5 computers in his house all running gentoo, debian,etc. |
| 00:23.34 | SaLcHo | pfff...so? |
| 00:23.36 | Respek | I supposed he knew |
| 00:23.38 | antgel | thecoolestcow: nb. take out the # and replace neil:9999 with a real mirror |
| 00:23.52 | capra | MEPIS is debian based and uses unstable |
| 00:24.09 | Respek | Gentoo is on its own right |
| 00:24.12 | antgel | Respek: there are people here with two cocks but would you trust them? |
| 00:24.17 | Respek | lol |
| 00:24.22 | Blafasel | Can anyone point me in the right direction with my acl problem? A "read there" would be enough.. (No, no google links..) |
| 00:24.23 | karsten | DNS-fu question: is there a good way to set up a default "I am *NOT* your DNS server" response for a nameserver that should do a zone only, *not* forwarding? |
| 00:24.27 | Respek | I like the emerge on Gentoo |
| 00:24.28 | Respek | awesome |
| 00:24.39 | karsten | Basically preempting the idiot who's keyed it into their /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:24.45 | antgel | Blafasel: it's an interesting question. perhaps the xfs mailing list? |
| 00:24.46 | karsten | ...bbiam. |
| 00:24.51 | robin_sz | Respek: the "unstable" branch of debian is not "unstable" meaning likely to crash, it is just subject to more changes than the "stable" branch .. its where new stuff happens. |
| 00:25.02 | Respek | Oh |
| 00:25.07 | Respek | Is any distros based on gentoo? |
| 00:25.09 | Respek | livecds, etc? |
| 00:25.11 | antgel | karsten: afaik, dns servers are pretty sluttish like that |
| 00:25.13 | thecoolestcow | antgel: any mirror? like ftp.debian.org ? |
| 00:25.19 | Blafasel | antgel: Would you agree with me that this should (..) not happen? Or at least is not intuitive? |
| 00:25.26 | antgel | thecoolestcow: *nod* |
| 00:25.54 | antgel | Blafasel: what i know about xfs can be written on the back of nothing |
| 00:25.56 | Respek | i see lots of people are ahving problems getting debian. |
| 00:26.05 | robin_sz | antgel: just oxford.ac.uk or ftp.oxford.ac.uk? |
| 00:26.36 | antgel | robin_sz: not sure. better check the mirror list for the exact url |
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| 00:27.19 | Blafasel | antgel: Well - don't care about xfs. Let's talk about acls. |
| 00:27.27 | robin_sz | !dpkg mirror-list? |
| 00:27.31 | antgel | Blafasel: ditto :9 |
| 00:27.50 | robin_sz | !mirror-list |
| 00:27.59 | Respek | DSL is awesome, it needs lots of improvement though. |
| 00:28.01 | antgel | !mirrors |
| 00:28.01 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is # apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 00:28.19 | robin_sz | oh thnaks |
| 00:28.45 | antgel | Respek: /msg dpkg gentoo |
| 00:29.05 | robin_sz | mirror.ox.ac.uk |
| 00:29.35 | antgel | robin_sz: well, you got there in the end :P |
| 00:29.52 | antgel | robin_sz: i knew there was an ox in there |
| 00:30.02 | robin_sz | yeah, a big one ... |
| 00:30.05 | robin_sz | with horns |
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| 00:30.20 | TurffHogg | this maybe a dumb question but is the netinst in english? |
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| 00:30.34 | Respek | Very goodquestion |
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| 00:30.49 | cheal | TurffHogg: before a language is chosen, yes |
| 00:30.54 | HAMM3R | How can I make mbmon be able to run by a user other than root? I need this so that phpsysinfo can run it to display the stats. |
| 00:31.11 | karsten | antgel: ?? |
| 00:31.16 | capra | TurffHogg: yes, netinst is in English |
| 00:31.20 | cheal | TurffHogg: and it's the only fallback language if something is not translated in the chosen language |
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| 00:32.00 | Respek | where can i get a list of software that comes with the latest debian stable release. |
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| 00:32.23 | karsten | Respek: packages.debian.org |
| 00:32.33 | karsten | Respek: ... or your neighborhood Debian mirror. |
| 00:32.35 | Respek | Is it default with KDE? |
| 00:32.40 | cheal | Respek: noi |
| 00:32.42 | cheal | no |
| 00:32.45 | Respek | gnome? |
| 00:32.46 | karsten | Respek: It is if you install it |
| 00:32.49 | karsten | Respek: ^^ |
| 00:32.50 | cheal | Respek: neither |
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| 00:32.59 | Respek | Oh oh.. |
| 00:33.00 | antgel | karsten: well, don't think there's a way to get much response out of a dns server other than name resolution |
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| 00:33.03 | Respek | is the install gui? |
| 00:33.18 | cheal | Respek: not really. it's like ncurses |
| 00:33.20 | antgel | Respek: of course not |
| 00:33.51 | CaT[tm] | well... I made it to the top 10 of the names list. I hink it may be time for me to leave. |
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| 00:33.51 | Respek | well, is it easy? It took me 3 days to compile and get Gentoo working. |
| 00:34.17 | cheal | Respek: Debian isn't Gentoo. |
| 00:34.18 | robin_sz | 3 days? fsck .. you could have installed windows in that time |
| 00:34.38 | cheal | Respek: debian-installer is probably neither easy or hard. |
| 00:35.01 | robin_sz | Respek: did you cheat or do it properley when you compiled gentoo? |
| 00:35.14 | Respek | i already have windows, i wanted to try a full linux, i've used almost every livecd in exisistance. My friend told me to use gentoo, he was wrong, my 466mhz pc took like 2 days to compile gnome and to get everything setup from mouse to keyboard it took another day. once i as in entoo iw as happy for a few days but it was really slow. |
| 00:35.40 | Respek | I used the Stage 3, which is said to be the 'fastest' and precompiled kernel, and i used genkernel to compile the kernel |
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| 00:36.09 | Respek | I must say, i did learn a lot about "linux" from struggling with the gentoo install, everything from making fdisk cfdisk partitions to setting up devices. |
| 00:36.12 | robin_sz | some people cheat and build gentoo using GCC, and a pre-compiled kernel .. purists write their own compiler in assembly language first ... |
| 00:36.13 | cheal | Respek: we have a garbage for your Gentoo CDs if you wish |
| 00:36.42 | Respek | No need, they have been burned on my stove and shitten on and thrown in the trash can. |
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| 00:37.31 | cheal | Respek: ah. well, after trying Debian, can you come back and tell us if we can offer that service instead of the garbage? :) |
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| 00:37.44 | Respek | I like Debian, i might give it a go. |
| 00:38.30 | Respek | The installer seems pretty straight forward, looking at screenshots at osdir |
| 00:38.46 | thecoolestcow | Respek: the installer is mad easy |
| 00:38.55 | cheal | the installer isn't mad easy |
| 00:39.00 | thecoolestcow | Respek: i'm a hardcore linux n00b and i thought it was |
| 00:39.03 | Respek | ... |
| 00:39.04 | thecoolestcow | cheal: it wasnt" |
| 00:39.05 | thecoolestcow | ? |
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| 00:39.08 | Respek | why's cheal saying its hard |
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| 00:39.20 | cheal | I'm not saying it's hard. it's neither |
| 00:39.29 | thecoolestcow | well i found it easy |
| 00:39.36 | cheal | good |
| 00:39.36 | amimusa | hi people |
| 00:40.00 | thecoolestcow | yoo. |
| 00:40.07 | Respek | but Cheal, it depends... if icompare this installer to lets say Gentoo, its tooooo easy. But the nagain, Gen is too hard. |
| 00:40.23 | antgel | Respek: you should have shat on them before burning them |
| 00:40.35 | thecoolestcow | i was able to install debian easily.. |
| 00:40.41 | Respek | antgel i didn't want shit on my stove. |
| 00:40.41 | cheal | Respek: that sounds right |
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| 00:41.35 | capra | Respek: I'm new to debian this week and found the installer a lot simpler than expected. |
| 00:41.43 | Respek | what bootloader does debian use if i want to dual |
| 00:41.51 | antgel | Respek: grub by default |
| 00:41.52 | capra | GRub |
| 00:42.05 | Respek | oh..i had problems with that before.. |
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| 00:42.27 | Respek | I have No clue at all what to type in there. Do i just change the hdb /etc ? to match swap/root/boot |
| 00:42.53 | antgel | Respek: it configures it automagically |
| 00:42.59 | thecoolestcow | haha |
| 00:43.00 | cheal | Respek: normally you don't have to touch it at all |
| 00:43.21 | Respek | why u laughing cool cow |
| 00:43.27 | Respek | Oh |
| 00:43.38 | Respek | Gentoo was a b*tch then, it made me do everything manually. |
| 00:43.41 | thecoolestcow | he said automagically |
| 00:43.53 | Respek | lol makes sense. |
| 00:43.57 | thecoolestcow | yeah, i like it |
| 00:44.01 | Respek | me too |
| 00:44.10 | Respek | i want to marry it |
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| 00:44.16 | thecoolestcow | i dont. |
| 00:44.20 | thecoolestcow | :D |
| 00:44.26 | Respek | ok i dont either |
| 00:44.32 | Respek | This seems really good. |
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| 00:44.46 | antgel | the funny thing with linux imo is that you start off with all the whizz bang kde/gnome shit, and you finish up using vi, emacs, xterm/rxvt, make, grep, find etc. same shit that people have been using for 30 years |
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| 00:45.04 | cheal | hehe |
| 00:45.06 | thecoolestcow | heh |
| 00:45.09 | antgel | Respek: one word of warning. use stable until you know what you're doing |
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| 00:45.13 | Respek | i have no idea what you sai |
| 00:45.17 | cheal | I still use KDE |
| 00:45.21 | Respek | i like kde |
| 00:45.25 | Respek | im going to install that. over Gnome |
| 00:45.33 | thecoolestcow | why? whats the diff |
| 00:45.43 | Respek | personal choice |
| 00:45.45 | Respek | i like KDE. |
| 00:45.48 | antgel | thecoolestcow: it's a bit like judaism vs islam |
| 00:45.54 | Respek | lol |
| 00:45.58 | antgel | thecoolestcow: only with more hatred and bile |
| 00:45.58 | thecoolestcow | angel: they're both dumb. |
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| 00:46.03 | cheal | ...except that neither forked the other? |
| 00:46.03 | thecoolestcow | :D jk |
| 00:46.05 | Respek | lmfao, |
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| 00:46.13 | cheal | muahahaha |
| 00:46.23 | Respek | that was good. |
| 00:46.35 | cheal | this is nearly obscene |
| 00:46.35 | Nurbs | nice, openssh is now built with krb5 support enabled |
| 00:46.35 | jim__ | can anyone tell me what the package is for sarge java-virtual-machine? Not sure which repository to get it from? |
| 00:46.52 | cheal | !topicsmite Jim__ |
| 00:46.52 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Jim__. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:46.53 | antgel | jim__: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 00:47.07 | Respek | Ok guys! give me a download mirror for Canaida! |
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| 00:47.09 | antgel | edified. what a genius word |
| 00:47.22 | antgel | Respek: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 00:47.26 | thecoolestcow | Respek: debian.canada.org |
| 00:47.28 | thecoolestcow | jk |
| 00:47.36 | thecoolestcow | i made that up dont use it |
| 00:47.38 | Respek | lmao |
| 00:47.42 | antgel | Respek: shania twain, rush, bryan adams |
| 00:47.43 | Respek | im not that dumb :p |
| 00:47.48 | thecoolestcow | good lol |
| 00:48.20 | Respek | so cool u switched from Win? |
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| 00:48.35 | thecoolestcow | yeah, i still use it occasionally |
| 00:48.42 | antgel | Respek: /msg dpkg install guide. /msg dpkg reference. and finally, /msg dpkg u |
| 00:49.07 | capra | quit |
| 00:49.18 | antgel | Respek: we love it when people install debian. we hate it when they ask questions that are answered in the docs, blatantly |
| 00:49.19 | Respek | omg canada isnt in the primary mirror list :|:| |
| 00:49.29 | thecoolestcow | hahaha 0wned. |
| 00:49.35 | cheal | Respek: no, but that doesn't matter. |
| 00:50.02 | cheal | I got over 2 MB/s download from my Debian mirror in my university :) |
| 00:50.05 | stew | Respek: ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ |
| 00:50.07 | thecoolestcow | jeeez |
| 00:50.22 | cheal | plus the university has a debian mirror itself. it's called dolly :D |
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| 00:50.30 | Respek | i dl at 40kb |
| 00:50.33 | Respek | capped |
| 00:50.54 | Respek | theres a company here |
| 00:51.03 | Respek | its giving out 3mbps internet for $10/month |
| 00:51.07 | Respek | CAD |
| 00:51.10 | thecoolestcow | !? |
| 00:51.12 | thecoolestcow | for how long? |
| 00:51.18 | thecoolestcow | like 2 months? |
| 00:51.30 | Respek | Not sure |
| 00:51.36 | thecoolestcow | yeh. |
| 00:51.44 | Respek | I currently pay $30 for my 3mbps |
| 00:51.46 | mentor | Respek: capped? |
| 00:51.48 | thecoolestcow | yahoo DSL is like 15 bucks |
| 00:51.49 | Respek | Rogers internet |
| 00:51.52 | Respek | I am not sure |
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| 00:51.59 | thecoolestcow | but only for a limited time |
| 00:52.03 | antgel | !start an isp war |
| 00:52.07 | Respek | they advertised "$10 DSL OR CABLE 3mbps" |
| 00:52.09 | thecoolestcow | lol |
| 00:52.19 | Respek | !start word domination |
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| 00:52.33 | Respek | i'm confused, which one should i get? ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 00:52.35 | thecoolestcow | !start spell check |
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| 00:52.55 | chou-chou | i get 8mbps for $10 |
| 00:53.02 | thecoolestcow | respek: that server is weird. |
| 00:53.13 | thecoolestcow | i guess try stable |
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| 00:53.18 | thecoolestcow | dont take my word though |
| 00:53.25 | chou-chou | but it does help that i work for my isp hah |
| 00:53.31 | antgel | Respek: stable. this is where you need to read the manuals |
| 00:53.37 | mentor | Is that 40kB/s ot kb/s? |
| 00:53.38 | jjazz_ | Could somebody recommend a commandline cd burner? I just want to burn an ISO. Thanks. |
| 00:53.51 | sgeigerbot | jjazz_: cdrecord |
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| 00:54.48 | sgeigerbot | jjazz_: put this into your .bashrc file: cdrec-iso() { time sudo cdrecord gracetime=0 -v -eject speed=48 driveropts=burnproof -dev=0,8,0 "$1"; } |
| 00:54.58 | thecoolestcow | respek: use http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:55.10 | sgeigerbot | jjazz_: be sure to adjust the "-dev=0,8,0" part with the output of cdrecord -scanbus |
| 00:55.11 | thecoolestcow | i assume you run an x86 system |
| 00:55.19 | jjazz_ | sgeigerbot, thanks! That's a big help. |
| 00:55.23 | Respek | yes |
| 00:55.24 | sgeigerbot | jjazz_: np |
| 00:55.28 | Respek | i'm poor :p |
| 00:55.42 | thecoolestcow | whats that have to do with anything |
| 00:56.04 | nite613 | x86 are cheap? |
| 00:56.07 | thecoolestcow | if you didnt read the debian install manual, i suggest doing so |
| 00:56.07 | thecoolestcow | oh |
| 00:56.26 | nite613 | Respek: use stable (sarge). If you decide you're hardcore it's easy to migrate to the more advanced stuff |
| 00:56.31 | thecoolestcow | i only burned CD1, then got packages from there |
| 00:56.50 | thecoolestcow | nite613: i told him to check out http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:56.55 | thecoolestcow | nite613: is that ok? |
| 00:57.09 | nite613 | although one of my favorite things to do is fill my bandwidth; I realise that isn't to everyone's taste |
| 00:58.22 | antgel | night all, Respek good luck. debian is like a fine wine |
| 00:58.38 | thecoolestcow | lol |
| 00:58.58 | sgeigerbot | antgel: something you can't get till you're 21? |
| 00:59.00 | thecoolestcow | tastes good, its awesome, but if you use it too much you fall over |
| 00:59.13 | nite613 | hmm, I agree with that |
| 00:59.21 | nite613 | and you can never be sure what it will be like next season ;) |
| 00:59.25 | sgeigerbot | thecoolestcow: the first taste makes you make a face |
| 00:59.27 | thecoolestcow | haha |
| 00:59.31 | thecoolestcow | hah yeah |
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| 01:00.43 | TNKS | hi all. I think 2.6.13 has been out for some time now. Is there a plan for a linux-source-2.6.13? |
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| 01:01.20 | Marf | hello people out there |
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| 01:01.48 | thecoolestcow | !sid |
| 01:01.48 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 01:01.52 | thecoolestcow | haha |
| 01:01.54 | thecoolestcow | i like that |
| 01:01.54 | Marf | finally i made through my debian firewall box, however still runnin with w2k ;-( |
| 01:02.40 | Respek | thecoolestcow im really confused i went to the site, all i see is like 50 isos such as debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.iso --- debian-31r0-i386-binary-10.iso .. etc |
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| 01:04.34 | thecoolestcow | Respek: the site i gave you? |
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| 01:05.04 | Respek | ftp |
| 01:05.11 | thecoolestcow | wha? |
| 01:05.22 | thecoolestcow | http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 01:05.37 | thecoolestcow | thats the iso you need, stable, current, x86, iso-cd |
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| 01:05.39 | Respek | im in /pub/linux/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:05.42 | Respek | ok |
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| 01:05.49 | Respek | whats the other binary 10, 11,12..etc? |
| 01:05.58 | thecoolestcow | those are like, |
| 01:06.00 | thecoolestcow | more packages |
| 01:06.05 | thecoolestcow | sorted by popularity |
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| 01:06.13 | Respek | oh |
| 01:06.15 | thecoolestcow | you can just install the first one |
| 01:06.25 | thecoolestcow | then use netisnt and apt-get after you install |
| 01:06.38 | Respek | i cant dl for some reason |
| 01:06.40 | Respek | [R] List Complete: 1 KB in 1.41 second (1.0 KB/s) |
| 01:06.41 | Respek | [R] Transfer Failed: debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 01:06.41 | Respek | Transfer queue completed |
| 01:06.41 | Respek | 1 File failed to transfer |
| 01:06.52 | thecoolestcow | sucks |
| 01:06.54 | thecoolestcow | uhh |
| 01:07.06 | thecoolestcow | which server are you on? |
| 01:07.09 | Respek | nvm works. |
| 01:07.12 | thecoolestcow | ok |
| 01:07.13 | Respek | the one you gave me obviously |
| 01:07.19 | thecoolestcow | just makin sure. |
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| 01:07.42 | Respek | downloading at 47kb/sec :( |
| 01:07.45 | Respek | 5 hours left |
| 01:07.53 | thecoolestcow | eww |
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| 01:08.01 | thecoolestcow | you can disconnect that shizzle if you want |
| 01:08.05 | zapada | anyone here have experience with xplanet? |
| 01:08.10 | Respek | I remember when i had fast internet for $45, it used to dl shizz at 100-200 |
| 01:08.15 | Respek | no. im capped at like 50 download |
| 01:08.15 | thecoolestcow | yeah |
| 01:08.18 | thecoolestcow | oh |
| 01:08.23 | thecoolestcow | :-( |
| 01:08.28 | Respek | it wouldnt matter if the servers using NASA internet |
| 01:08.37 | thecoolestcow | cappage sucks. |
| 01:08.43 | Respek | yeah |
| 01:08.53 | Respek | my cousin borked it once, the isp caught him in a few days. |
| 01:09.04 | thecoolestcow | hehe |
| 01:09.13 | thecoolestcow | i odnt' think thats possible anymore |
| 01:09.15 | thecoolestcow | don't |
| 01:09.29 | Respek | yeah |
| 01:09.35 | Respek | ill leave it overnight. |
| 01:09.42 | thecoolestcow | :-/ |
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| 01:09.56 | Respek | what? |
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| 01:10.25 | thecoolestcow | that'll take a while |
| 01:10.30 | thecoolestcow | er. hence overnight.. |
| 01:10.30 | Respek | yeh |
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| 01:10.33 | Respek | ill install it t0mm0r0ws |
| 01:10.36 | thecoolestcow | yeah |
| 01:10.49 | afra | how come I can't seem to install kword on my unstable debian box? It keeps requring kdelibs4 which does not exist... |
| 01:10.57 | Respek | you got a screenshot of your deskie |
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| 01:11.16 | thecoolestcow | what? |
| 01:11.22 | thecoolestcow | are you asking me for one? |
| 01:11.33 | Respek | yeah |
| 01:11.33 | TwistedEmotions | afra: Known bug... some shit about c libraries or something |
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| 01:11.40 | thecoolestcow | k hold up |
| 01:12.06 | TwistedEmotions | afra: If you hold back the packages " kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kommander" |
| 01:12.11 | TwistedEmotions | then you can install |
| 01:12.26 | TwistedEmotions | but if you have already installed those... then you have to remove and try again... |
| 01:12.31 | afra | how can I go about doing that? |
| 01:12.35 | TwistedEmotions | I have same problem with k3b |
| 01:13.16 | chipmonk010 | u could force version on those in synaptic rather then reinstall |
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| 01:13.56 | TwistedEmotions | afra: REALLY guessing here... but MAYBE "kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kommander" BUT BE WARNED IT WILL REMOVE MORE THEN JUST THAT LIST OF PROGRAMS... SO YOU WILL BASICALLY LOSE LIKE 40 DIFFERENT PROGRAMS WHICH YOU HAVE TO REINSTALL. |
| 01:14.15 | TwistedEmotions | afra: apt-get remove kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kommander |
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| 01:14.18 | karma1 | I'm getting an I/O error when trying to read/write to my floppy, whats causing this? |
| 01:14.22 | TwistedEmotions | afra: but I dont recommend it.. |
| 01:14.32 | TwistedEmotions | afra: I did it... was a pain in the ASS. |
| 01:14.49 | thecoolestcow | hmm |
| 01:14.54 | thecoolestcow | anyone know how to DCC send in ksirc? |
| 01:15.05 | bob2 | karma1: probably a bad floppy disk |
| 01:15.10 | bob2 | which is basically all of them these days |
| 01:15.12 | Respek | thecoolestcow www.imageshack.us |
| 01:15.19 | thecoolestcow | :-/ |
| 01:15.20 | afra | ahh thank you |
| 01:15.26 | afra | is this because they are upgrading kde? |
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| 01:16.31 | TwistedEmotions | afra: Yeah... I dont know whos problem it is... but kde and k3b/kword don't get along... It's been like this for like 3-4 months... |
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| 01:16.56 | TurffHogg | netinst APT HTTP or FTP? |
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| 01:17.34 | jaaro | Is it somehow possible to run Xserver (or vncserver) on a machine with no videocard? |
| 01:18.22 | jaaro | Googling on that topic but found no positive solution yet. |
| 01:18.25 | bob2 | yes |
| 01:18.29 | afra | hmm...wonder if any other apps can read kword documents |
| 01:18.30 | bob2 | x0rfbserver or something |
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| 01:18.58 | TurffHogg | can anyone help with the netinst im not sure what to pick? |
| 01:19.05 | thecoolestcow | Respek: http://home.comcast.net/~thecoolestcow/Screenshot.jpg |
| 01:19.41 | afra | great..no other app can read kword documents...great...it's like being locked in to m$ office..hehe |
| 01:19.57 | Respek | omg |
| 01:20.02 | Respek | being locked in linux.. |
| 01:20.06 | thecoolestcow | what? |
| 01:20.15 | Respek | i was talking to afra |
| 01:20.21 | thecoolestcow | oh ok |
| 01:20.24 | TwistedEmotions | afra: Im sure vi, vim or nano can read it.. |
| 01:20.32 | thecoolestcow | openoffice? |
| 01:20.36 | TwistedEmotions | afra: or open |
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| 01:20.39 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 01:20.44 | TwistedEmotions | what he said ^%^^^6 |
| 01:20.47 | MrEntropy | is sarge now stable? |
| 01:20.52 | thecoolestcow | as far as i know |
| 01:20.54 | TwistedEmotions | yes. |
| 01:21.31 | Respek | thecoolestcow you forgot to hide the aim title window... StEvE m0sS |
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| 01:21.34 | Respek | :p |
| 01:21.38 | TwistedEmotions | MrEntropy: switched over like three months ago.. |
| 01:21.43 | thecoolestcow | respek: doh, i thought i got it |
| 01:21.54 | thecoolestcow | respek: oh well, don't im him unless you're bored |
| 01:21.56 | Respek | thecoolestcow, why hide? I dont know him/her. |
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| 01:22.15 | thecoolestcow | because i dono if he cares or not |
| 01:22.17 | thecoolestcow | i wouldnt hide my sn |
| 01:22.32 | thecoolestcow | but i didnt feel like asking him |
| 01:22.56 | Respek | anyways. Cool. ur using gnome tho should use kde :p |
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| 01:23.02 | thecoolestcow | hah why? |
| 01:23.21 | Respek | dont know |
| 01:23.24 | thecoolestcow | hahah |
| 01:23.24 | Respek | just better looking |
| 01:23.30 | thecoolestcow | nice reasoning. |
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| 01:23.55 | thecoolestcow | respek: aright, i'll get it |
| 01:23.59 | xerophyte | Could somebody tell me what this means quotacheck: Old group file not found. Usage will not be substracted ?? |
| 01:24.44 | Respek | thecoolestcow just look at some screenshots of it... and compare to gnome, see if you like it. |
| 01:24.51 | thecoolestcow | i have WHAX, which uses KDE |
| 01:24.53 | thecoolestcow | and it looks nice |
| 01:25.18 | thecoolestcow | do you know if i could switch back to gnome if needed..? |
| 01:25.56 | Respek | yeah |
| 01:26.08 | Respek | its just a window manager you can have both installed, and change them on your mood :p |
| 01:26.15 | thecoolestcow | hah cool |
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| 01:26.38 | chea1 | KDE and gnome aren't just window managers |
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| 01:26.51 | Respek | ok mr. why dont you explain. |
| 01:26.57 | thecoolestcow | yeah, i figured they werent |
| 01:27.04 | thecoolestcow | thanks capra |
| 01:27.21 | Respek | Oh yeah |
| 01:27.24 | Respek | all the software is different? |
| 01:27.34 | thecoolestcow | yeah, i think os |
| 01:27.35 | thecoolestcow | so |
| 01:27.40 | thecoolestcow | yeah eff that for now |
| 01:27.42 | thecoolestcow | i'll get it later |
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| 01:27.48 | Respek | its sick |
| 01:27.55 | Respek | thast what im gonna get when i install it |
| 01:28.01 | thecoolestcow | yeah its ok for you, |
| 01:28.05 | thecoolestcow | but i'm already used to gnome |
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| 01:28.09 | jew1 | :o |
| 01:28.38 | thecoolestcow | jewn00b |
| 01:28.42 | thecoolestcow | dei? |
| 01:28.46 | thecoolestcow | what is dei |
| 01:28.57 | Dein00b | my name was deimos.. but someone has it |
| 01:28.59 | thecoolestcow | oh |
| 01:29.08 | thecoolestcow | packet him :D |
| 01:29.17 | Dein00b | anyways, i had some questions about downloading linux... |
| 01:29.32 | thecoolestcow | debian install manual helps like crazy |
| 01:29.38 | Dein00b | o rly? |
| 01:29.43 | thecoolestcow | yeah |
| 01:29.48 | thecoolestcow | it's right on debian.org |
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| 01:30.09 | thecoolestcow | but, dein00b, if youre still there, what exactly do you need help with |
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| 01:30.43 | Dein00b | well |
| 01:31.07 | Dein00b | i assumed i was supposed to download the i386 one.. since i am using intel, is that right? |
| 01:31.12 | thecoolestcow | right |
| 01:31.17 | thecoolestcow | AKA x86 |
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| 01:32.04 | Dein00b | okey dokey, so do i have to download every bittorrent from this link? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 01:32.10 | thecoolestcow | nope |
| 01:32.24 | Dein00b | which ones are needed? |
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| 01:32.35 | chea1 | Dein00b: the first full CD, or the netinst |
| 01:32.44 | thecoolestcow | just the first one |
| 01:32.49 | Dein00b | okey dokey |
| 01:32.59 | thecoolestcow | chea1: what exactly is the deal with netinst? i never fully understood it |
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| 01:33.14 | thecoolestcow | yeh. |
| 01:33.21 | chea1 | thecoolestcow: what do you mean? |
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| 01:33.36 | thecoolestcow | chea1: what's it used for? why not use apt-get? |
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| 01:33.46 | thecoolestcow | chea1: i probably don't fully understand what it is.. |
| 01:33.50 | amphi | thecoolestcow: it installs a base system, and gets the rest from the 'Net |
| 01:34.02 | thecoolestcow | amphi: oh. what's the advantage..? |
| 01:34.08 | chea1 | thecoolestcow: because hard disks don't come with apt-get |
| 01:34.14 | GunZ | hey guys, do any of you get different font sizes (like extremely different) when choosing different styles in fluxbox? |
| 01:34.19 | Dein00b | o.o |
| 01:34.29 | vezult | does the 2.6.12 kernel in etch have devfs removed? |
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| 01:34.36 | chea1 | vezult: no |
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| 01:35.03 | vezult | hmm. for some reason it cant handle my lvm on root..thought it might be that |
| 01:35.49 | lsailor | i am trying to setup a few website to share some files. i have the shared files in /usr/local/share/file/ and in the root of the html directories i have been doing ln /usr/local/share/file/whatever.php whatever.php but when i update the shared files, it is not updating the linked files. any idea what i am doing wrong? |
| 01:36.53 | chea1 | lsailor: at first glance you want to check ln's -s switch |
| 01:37.05 | lsailor | i also tried ln -s /usr/local/share/file/whatever.php whatever.php but that did not seem to work either |
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| 01:37.39 | CosmoDad | can anyone tell me whether suspend-to[RAM|disk] is generally possible with APM? |
| 01:37.40 | lsailor | even with the -s it did not seem to be updating the files in the html root |
| 01:37.54 | lsailor | i will try it again |
| 01:38.03 | bob2 | CosmoDad: it's hardware-specific |
| 01:38.12 | bob2 | CosmoDad: but suspend-to-ram generally works for people, I think |
| 01:38.22 | bob2 | suspend-to-disk is now done entirly in the kernel |
| 01:38.26 | bob2 | and requires no APM or ACPI at all |
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| 01:39.07 | CosmoDad | bob2: you're refering to swsusp and suspend2 right? |
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| 01:39.38 | CosmoDad | I wondered if at least STR works with APM, too |
| 01:40.01 | CosmoDad | because APM works fine on my machine and if it was possible and easy to do I'd prefer it over software STR |
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| 01:40.13 | _quik | hey folks |
| 01:40.40 | Respek | hi quick |
| 01:40.46 | fox-boy | hello... a package i'm installing needs to know the path to the X development libraries |
| 01:40.49 | bob2 | CosmoDad: yes |
| 01:40.51 | lsailor | chea1: the -s does seem to be working. Can you ln -s to a file that contains no content? |
| 01:40.52 | fox-boy | where can I find them...? |
| 01:40.59 | bob2 | CosmoDad: STR with APM is hardware-specific |
| 01:41.02 | bob2 | CosmoDad: linux-laptop.net |
| 01:41.10 | bob2 | fox-boy: what are you installing? |
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| 01:41.22 | chea1 | lsailor: yes |
| 01:41.25 | fox-boy | bob2: kavi2svcd |
| 01:41.37 | bob2 | fox-boy: xlibs-dev |
| 01:41.43 | _quik | I'm doing a netinstall of debian, when it looks to apt-get (during the installation phase) it hits the server mirror, returns the ip address, but will never connect to the server or any other.. any ideas? |
| 01:41.46 | CosmoDad | bob2: I actually have a desktop machine, wonder if that sites suits me too... |
| 01:42.01 | xlotlu | do updates from security.debian.org end up in the stable/main of mirrors? |
| 01:42.17 | fox-boy | bob2: is that the package or the directory? |
| 01:42.29 | bob2 | CosmoDad: I'd be pretty surprised of str worked then |
| 01:42.33 | bob2 | fox-boy: package name |
| 01:42.43 | fox-boy | bob2: OK thanks |
| 01:42.50 | bob2 | xlotlu: only when stable has a point release (e.g. 3.1r2, ie not very often) |
| 01:42.53 | lsailor | hmmm... when i setup the system, i created blank file in the /usr/local/share/file/ directory and then did ln -s to all of those files, but when i went back and started adding the data to the shared files, the html links files were not updating |
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| 01:43.24 | CosmoDad | bob2: because APM requires the same level of cooperation from all hardware components, you mean? |
| 01:45.25 | xlotlu | bob2: then this is pretty weird, i get apt upgrading over and over again the same packages from Debian-Security:3.1/stable (apache stuff) |
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| 01:46.44 | xlotlu | apt-cache policy apache2 -- shows both security.debian.org stable/updates/main and my mirror stable/main |
| 01:46.52 | Dein00b | hmm, i just had a few quests, and did not want to flood the channel with my nubbishness. so i was jsut wondering, after i format to linux, do i need to immediatly install WINE in order to start installing stuff like outlook express? |
| 01:47.10 | thecoolestcow | sorry, i just got that message |
| 01:47.15 | thecoolestcow | i need to register... |
| 01:47.18 | Dein00b | :o |
| 01:47.26 | Dein00b | thedumbestcow* :((((((((((((( |
| 01:47.36 | bob2 | because I've never heard of a desktop having APM STR support |
| 01:47.37 | shingouz | Dein00b: you do not even install OE on the linux, you do not need it |
| 01:48.03 | Dein00b | my mom wants it on there for some reason, so i need to put it on :/ |
| 01:48.03 | bob2 | xlotlu: is it really succeeding |
| 01:48.04 | Respek | Dein00b wine sucks man |
| 01:48.34 | bob2 | Dein00b: if you want OE, running only Debian is probably not a good plan |
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| 01:49.12 | xlotlu | bob2: no, the 'installed' one *** 2.0.54-5 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status is in-between |
| 01:49.38 | Respek | wahts OE |
| 01:49.39 | Xenguy | Dein00b: recommend you stab and kill OE. Any other questions? =) |
| 01:49.52 | bob2 | outlook express |
| 01:49.56 | shingouz | Dein00b: try sylpheed, that one looks very much like OE. the biggest difference is that syplheed does not support http emails at all which is a good thing. of course sylpheed does not care about all the virii and trojans either |
| 01:50.03 | lsailor | thanks for the help |
| 01:50.12 | Xenguy | Dein00b: sylpheed is a good choice |
| 01:50.20 | Dein00b | i will consider that then |
| 01:50.21 | Respek | OE sucks |
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| 01:50.51 | xlotlu | i'll try pinning security updates to something like 999 and see what happens; will just have to find out how to do that now |
| 01:50.52 | Dein00b | word |
| 01:51.16 | Xenguy | Dein00b: recommend you stab and kill 'Weird'. Any other questions? =) |
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| 01:51.38 | amphi | Xenguy: mutt is ready for prime-time, IMHO |
| 01:51.51 | Xenguy | amphi: yeah, but not for his Mom ;-) |
| 01:51.59 | amphi | Xenguy: ah... missed that ;) |
| 01:52.11 | Dein00b | unless i bury my mom underground /gg |
| 01:52.23 | Xenguy | Dein00b: you said "word"; did you mean a wordprocessor? |
| 01:52.26 | amphi | Dein00b: she has something against ncurses? |
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| 01:52.35 | Dein00b | no, i meant "word" as in the thing all of the wiggers at my school say |
| 01:52.36 | shingouz | Dein00b: my mother is way past 60 and she has been running debian for a few years now. she had a similar comment about another piece of software when i migrated her onto debian, i just told her "no can do, learn something new". sure she bitched about it but i gave her no choice. i gave her a computer with xp for a day or two the other week and she almost killed me for doing that, she does not want to go back to using windows anymore |
| 01:52.45 | Xenguy | Dein00b: gotcha |
| 01:52.45 | Dein00b | ok good for your mom |
| 01:52.57 | thecoolestcow | lol |
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| 01:53.25 | Dein00b | my mom will find anything to bitch about, so i am trying to keep her as content as possible |
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| 01:53.53 | mylanta | loop-aes-source readme (general information) says kernel is not modified and you are free to use the kernel of your choice, this contadicts other readmes. Is it correct? |
| 01:54.10 | amphi | Dein00b: thunderbird seems to work ok, a friend of mine uses it with little complaint - mind you, it is as 'light' as firefox ;) |
| 01:54.30 | Dein00b | will i be able to run FF on linux? or not :( |
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| 01:54.38 | shingouz | Dein00b: in that case you are the one who is going to have a headache when you try to keep her doze install running... your choice. install something like sylpheed on the box and do not give her the root password (which should be yours alone in anycase) |
| 01:54.41 | Dein00b | am i restricted to using TB? |
| 01:54.43 | Xenguy | Dein00b: yes, but newer hardware helps |
| 01:54.48 | xlotlu | any idea how i could assign a different priority to packages from security.debian.org? |
| 01:54.56 | shingouz | Dein00b: firefox and thunderbird run on linux natively |
| 01:54.58 | thecoolestcow | dein00b: FF as in firefox, yeah dude |
| 01:55.11 | Dein00b | wrd |
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| 01:55.16 | Xenguy | Dein00b: sylpheed is way lighter/faster than TB |
| 01:55.24 | thecoolestcow | i like Tb |
| 01:55.31 | Dein00b | ok |
| 01:55.33 | delysid25 | did the testing updates break alsa for anyone else? |
| 01:55.48 | Dein00b | meh |
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| 01:56.20 | Dein00b | linux seems harder to start up than windows.. but i still want to personally compare it to windows to see what is better IMO... :/ |
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| 01:56.36 | thecoolestcow | harder to start up? |
| 01:56.38 | thecoolestcow | not really. |
| 01:56.41 | Dein00b | harder to get used to. |
| 01:56.43 | thecoolestcow | oh |
| 01:56.44 | thecoolestcow | yes. |
| 01:56.49 | Dein00b | with windows i just go "pop in da disk yo" |
| 01:56.50 | Dein00b | and i format |
| 01:56.58 | thecoolestcow | if you gave it to a kid who never used a computer before, it wouldnt be hard |
| 01:56.59 | Dein00b | linux it seems like i have to get 99 different things :/ |
| 01:57.05 | thecoolestcow | the only hard part is because you're used to windows |
| 01:57.11 | Nurbs | kids do have too much time at their hands |
| 01:57.14 | Nurbs | :o) |
| 01:57.14 | Xenguy | Dein00b: I think wind0ze is harder to manage these days -- spyware, viruses -- ugh |
| 01:57.15 | thecoolestcow | yeah |
| 01:57.19 | thecoolestcow | yeajh |
| 01:57.26 | Dein00b | i hate microshit windows right now |
| 01:57.29 | Dein00b | severly |
| 01:57.53 | afaik_ | hoe to use the windows? |
| 01:58.00 | thecoolestcow | you a ho |
| 01:58.00 | Dein00b | in your opinions, i WINE/cedega 100% needed if you get linux? |
| 01:58.00 | reticent | "better and worse" quality isn't binary don't forget |
| 01:58.12 | Xenguy | Dein00b: god no |
| 01:58.22 | shingouz | afaik_: you don't, you delete the stuff and install debian |
| 01:58.25 | Nurbs | Dein00b: hardly anybody uses that. |
| 01:58.28 | Dein00b | o rly!? |
| 01:58.29 | Dein00b | wtf |
| 01:58.35 | thecoolestcow | yeah i didnt have it.. |
| 01:58.35 | Xenguy | Dein00b: There is free software alternatives to almost every piece of proprietary software out there |
| 01:58.40 | afaik_ | can I install the window in my computer? |
| 01:58.43 | Dein00b | WINE is free |
| 01:58.44 | aeronadix | linux is for power users |
| 01:58.45 | thecoolestcow | i'm only installing it now to play Halflife |
| 01:58.55 | shingouz | aeronadix: b/s |
| 01:59.06 | aeronadix | or anyone else too, but windows isn't for power use, just for business users |
| 01:59.14 | Nurbs | I can't remember ever having had a worm, spyware, adware, trojans or a virus on any of *my* Windows systems. It's PEBKAC on Windows and Linux, for a large percentage, for sure. |
| 01:59.23 | Dein00b | all i care about is WoW and a few star trek games |
| 01:59.25 | aeronadix | shingouz, whats b/s? |
| 01:59.26 | Dein00b | :/ |
| 01:59.29 | Xenguy | Dein00b: you typically don't need WINE; is there particular software you need to run? |
| 01:59.34 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 01:59.35 | thecoolestcow | HL2 |
| 01:59.36 | shingouz | aeronadix: bull shit |
| 01:59.42 | afaik_ | you can buy a xbox... and... |
| 01:59.51 | afaik_ | playing |
| 01:59.52 | Xenguy | Dein00b: frankscorner.net is interesting (WINE) |
| 01:59.54 | aeronadix | shingouz, why is it bullshit? |
| 02:00.10 | Dein00b | Currently I am jsut downloading the debian (first ISO), is there anything else i will need to put on an RW before i format? |
| 02:00.10 | shingouz | aeronadix: linux is not just for "power users" it is for everyone |
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| 02:00.15 | Xenguy | Dein00b: er, frankscorner.org |
| 02:00.40 | afaik_ | s/power/powder/ |
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| 02:00.46 | delysid25 | anyone in here running debian testing? if so, do you still have alsa after the updates? |
| 02:00.46 | shingouz | Dein00b: not that i know of. just make sure you burn the iso as an iso, not as a file |
| 02:00.49 | aeronadix | shingouz, Yeah, I said that too, but my point is that Windows is not for power users |
| 02:00.55 | Dein00b | i will |
| 02:00.59 | Dein00b | umm |
| 02:01.06 | shingouz | aeronadix: winders is not for anyone |
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| 02:01.19 | Dein00b | this is going to sound odd, but then again. i guess i am sort of an expected noob right now.. but.. |
| 02:01.28 | Dein00b | about GNU, does that come with that Debian ISO? |
| 02:01.30 | afaik_ | I think that the windows is for power users |
| 02:02.04 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.05 | delysid25 | i think i found the problem on google finally...nevermind |
| 02:02.06 | aeronadix | shingouz, yeah, I am not interested in Windows either, but you have to admit there computers were most affordable, Sun's unix machines were so expensive, and I can't think of anyone who ever had the means to buy a Unix machine |
| 02:02.08 | shingouz | afaik_: sorry but i have already run out of trollsnacks, you have to go fish for them elsewhere |
| 02:02.09 | pngwn | oops |
| 02:02.45 | _quik | anyone had the same problem as me in the past? |
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| 02:03.14 | shingouz | aeronadix: windows has never to the best of my knowledge built computers. this is not unix either, this is linux |
| 02:03.23 | aeronadix | I have a /fat dir mount on a /dev/hda2 (fat partition), but I can't write to it for some reason |
| 02:03.29 | shingouz | !tell _quik about anyone |
| 02:03.57 | sportman | that contains mplayer and other good stuff |
| 02:03.59 | shingouz | sportman: apt-setup |
| 02:04.07 | shingouz | !tell sportman about marillat |
| 02:04.10 | _quik | I've asked a question, isn't that enough? |
| 02:04.11 | Dein00b | my friends are going to rape me for using linux :/ |
| 02:04.13 | afaik_ | I think that the windows is linux-based,isn't it? |
| 02:04.20 | aeronadix | shingouz, yeah, I am just saying for a while, before Linux was free, Windows was the most affordable option |
| 02:04.23 | amphi | Dein00b: they use plan 9? |
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| 02:04.28 | Nurbs | before Linux was free? :) |
| 02:04.29 | shingouz | _quik: no because we have no idea what you need help with |
| 02:04.42 | _quik | I'm doing a netinstall of debian, when it looks to apt-get (during the installation phase) it hits the server mirror, returns the ip address, but will never connect to the server or any other.. any ideas? |
| 02:04.55 | shingouz | aeronadix: ever heard of OS/2 ? |
| 02:04.56 | amphi | Dein00b: plan9.bell-labs.com |
| 02:04.59 | aeronadix | everything is Linux based essentially, thats what I think. Well everyone steals open source software or student software |
| 02:05.14 | afaik_ | OS/2? a dead man? |
| 02:06.11 | Dein00b | nope |
| 02:06.11 | shingouz | _quik: have you tried other mirrors? |
| 02:06.11 | Respek | i wanna get my hands on windows 3.1 |
| 02:06.11 | Dein00b | they are just going to rape me and say "die shitux" |
| 02:06.11 | Respek | cant find it anywhere |
| 02:06.11 | aeronadix | shingouz, Commodore was the best for pricing, they were selling at Canadian tire, as if it were just a bicycle pump or a rench type of hardware |
| 02:06.12 | shingouz | Respek: get the 3.11 for workgroups and you have a lot more to play with |
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| 02:06.12 | amphi | Dein00b: these are 'friends'? |
| 02:06.12 | roby | If I don't load glx module then Xfree86 4 will start up fine with my radeon x800 pro, but as soon as glx is attempted to load it will hang my whole system. No errors in XFree86.0.log. I'm using the default 2.6.8-2-386 kernel in Debian's Sarge, any ideas? |
| 02:06.15 | _quik | I have tried a number of mirrors. |
| 02:06.22 | Respek | shingouz workgroups? |
| 02:06.39 | roby | and latest fglrx |
| 02:06.49 | Dein00b | they are not going to literally rape me, but they will say linux sucks |
| 02:06.55 | Dein00b | it would be up to me to prove them otherwise |
| 02:07.01 | _quik | the machine, while on the network doesn't appear to be able to get internet access, I'm not sure if I can change to a static IP address during the setup/installer utility that appears after running the netinstall cd. |
| 02:07.07 | shingouz | Respek: hit google with it. windows 3.11 for workgroups (and that is the last i am going to comment on windows for a few hours) |
| 02:07.16 | amphi | Dein00b: let them think what they like? |
| 02:07.34 | Dein00b | nevar! |
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| 02:07.45 | Dein00b | they are always like that towards new things |
| 02:07.50 | sandman | Is there a way to have apt-source build statically? |
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| 02:07.55 | shingouz | _quik: of courwe you can change the ip. what kind of a network setup do you have there? |
| 02:08.10 | amphi | Dein00b: don't install X at all - wow them with yr framebuffer console |
| 02:08.28 | Respek | whic one of u just uses console without x? |
| 02:08.33 | roler | i just installed debian on a server and I cannot get mysql to load (server).... It says cannot connect to local host.It says check syslog so I do and that just says cannot connect to mysql server through mysqld.sock |
| 02:08.34 | _quik | All I know is that the office has a static IP for all other machines... |
| 02:08.40 | Dein00b | word... |
| 02:08.49 | _quik | so I thought that might be the key to getting internet access. |
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| 02:08.53 | amphi | word? |
| 02:08.58 | Dein00b | first.. what is 'x' and framebuffer console? |
| 02:09.06 | thecoolestcow | ah gay, i can't run HL2 on WINE |
| 02:09.24 | thecoolestcow | amphi: street walk. he's just like, acknowledging it, agreeing etc. |
| 02:09.30 | TwistedEmotions | !gay |
| 02:09.30 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 02:09.36 | afaik_ | O.O |
| 02:09.39 | shingouz | _quik: you need to know a free ip then. you cannot just give it a random address and expect it to work. you also need the nameserver adn gateway |
| 02:09.39 | amphi | Dein00b: X is the windowing system - framebuffer console is a high resolution text console |
| 02:09.49 | Dein00b | oic |
| 02:10.03 | Dein00b | now why would i NOT want to install X? |
| 02:10.08 | TwistedEmotions | thecoolestcow: It's probably too cpu intensive to me able to deal with those kind of graphics... |
| 02:10.10 | amphi | Dein00b: 1024x768 res gives me 128x48 text console |
| 02:10.14 | _quik | I can get that from the machine I'm on, I know the ip ranges.. |
| 02:10.30 | amphi | Dein00b: with a decent sized font |
| 02:10.32 | _quik | so I can infact choose one, I just don't know how to do so during the installation phase? |
| 02:10.35 | Respek | shingouz i dont see anything.. win31 fits on floppy lmao! so it should be avaliable on net to dl? |
| 02:10.36 | kahelas | Hello. I am hoping someone would be able to help me solve this problem. As root, I enter at the terminal: ls -l /etc/texmf The problem is that several directories are giving me "Permission Denied" Can anyone help me fix this? |
| 02:10.38 | bob2 | X is not cpu intensive |
| 02:10.45 | shingouz | _quik: you need the gateway and dns too or it will not work. you can also try to use dhcp on the thing |
| 02:10.47 | bob2 | and games running under X basically blit to the hardware |
| 02:10.58 | TwistedEmotions | kahelas: are you sure your root? |
| 02:11.03 | Dein00b | really.. |
| 02:11.12 | kahelas | TwistedEmotions yes. I am positive |
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| 02:11.29 | _quik | shingouz -- how can I change that during the installtion phase? |
| 02:11.30 | sandman | err, I mean: Is there a way to have apt-get -b source xmms, for example, to build xmms statically? |
| 02:11.33 | shingouz | Respek: i am not going to talk about WfW 3.11 here at all anymore. just google it, it is there if you know what you do |
| 02:11.35 | TwistedEmotions | kahelas: ;( Errr... sorry dont know. |
| 02:11.47 | Dein00b | word... |
| 02:11.48 | shingouz | _quik: are you on the installer now? |
| 02:11.48 | Dein00b | brb |
| 02:11.50 | _quik | I will workout the details otherwise. |
| 02:11.54 | _quik | Yes. |
| 02:12.02 | jkern | _quik, man interfaces and edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:12.15 | shingouz | _quik: open up the other console with alt-F2 and activate it |
| 02:12.18 | TwistedEmotions | quick man! |
| 02:12.19 | _quik | ... the installer is gui. |
| 02:12.32 | kahelas | TwistedEmotions hmm... thanks for trying. I've never encountered this before. |
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| 02:12.35 | thecoolestcow | clever, twistedemotions, clever |
| 02:12.39 | shingouz | _quik: huh? gui installer on debian? you sure you are installing debian? |
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| 02:12.43 | TwistedEmotions | thecoolestcow: hahahahahah |
| 02:12.49 | assistants | start |
| 02:12.52 | _quik | yes, debian with an old looking installer gui |
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| 02:12.54 | thecoolestcow | lol |
| 02:12.57 | _quik | no mouse interaction |
| 02:12.58 | TurffHogg | mine was gui too |
| 02:13.07 | shingouz | _quik: that is ncurses. alt-F2 |
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| 02:13.21 | jkern | _quik, alt-f2 should give you a login for a text-based terminal |
| 02:13.27 | _quik | thanks. |
| 02:13.34 | danikata | hi all |
| 02:13.35 | _quik | then the commands? |
| 02:13.44 | jkern | _quik, man interfaces and edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:13.52 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
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| 02:14.00 | roler | i just installed debian on a server and I cannot get mysql to load (server).... It says cannot connect to local host.It says check syslog so I do and that just says cannot connect to mysql server through mysqld.sock |
| 02:14.01 | shingouz | jkern: not that easy. he is still in the installer |
| 02:14.23 | shingouz | _quik: ifconfig to configure the nic, route to config the routing |
| 02:14.23 | jkern | _quik, shingouz may be correct, sorry |
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| 02:14.33 | bob2 | roler: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
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| 02:15.24 | _quik | I may be too mcuh of a newb for this I fear |
| 02:15.29 | jkern | shingouz, the problem would be where /etc/network/interfaces is mounted eh? |
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| 02:15.38 | shingouz | _quik: basically 'ifconfig eth0 ip.ad.dre.ss up ; route add default gw gate.way.ip.address eth0' |
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| 02:15.45 | danikata | may i ask about kde 3.4 ? |
| 02:15.50 | thecoolestcow | i find ctrl+alt+f1 really useful |
| 02:15.58 | shingouz | jkern: at that point of the installer it does not work yet afaik |
| 02:16.01 | compguymac | anyone here have a good source.list? |
| 02:16.15 | shingouz | compguymac: we all have. man apt-setup |
| 02:16.20 | thecoolestcow | danikata: why not? go ahead and ask, i dono if anyone will answer |
| 02:16.25 | compguymac | ok |
| 02:16.49 | thecoolestcow | compguymac: i hope the "mac" in your name is like, macdaddy, pimped out, not "macintosh" |
| 02:16.56 | danikata | thx... |
| 02:17.09 | helix | thecoolestcow: why would that matter? |
| 02:17.15 | shingouz | thecoolestcow: macs do run debian too, even m68k macs |
| 02:17.18 | TurffHogg | the installer reboots before the dl |
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| 02:17.31 | shingouz | hi helix, long time no see |
| 02:17.33 | _quik | I'll try shingouz, thanks. |
| 02:17.33 | TurffHogg | he can change it then |
| 02:17.41 | helix | hell |
| 02:17.42 | helix | o |
| 02:17.50 | danikata | can i add url pkg-kde alioth (kde3.4) in my source.list ? |
| 02:18.02 | compguymac | thecoolestcow, i use mac but i use debian also |
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| 02:18.38 | Respek | !kick compguymac no macs |
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| 02:19.02 | Respek | !slap Celelibi debian manual |
| 02:19.14 | Respek | :( ok i dont know how to use it |
| 02:19.17 | Pfated | ... WTF. |
| 02:19.23 | _quik | what if there are two gateway addresses? |
| 02:19.52 | shingouz | _quik: use the other one, just take your pick at this point |
| 02:20.01 | _quik | thanks |
| 02:20.22 | compguymac | shingouz, i know about apt-setup but i dont want to select all of thoes, just get a list from someone |
| 02:20.25 | thecoolestcow | Respek: ha, atleast somone agrees with me with the mac part |
| 02:20.28 | compguymac | unless there is an easier way |
| 02:20.39 | Respek | Macs are pretty good |
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| 02:21.00 | Pfated | There's nothing wrong with macs, besides the fact that they're OT on-channel. |
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| 02:21.03 | turing | hey all, anyone here running tinydns on debian? |
| 02:21.08 | Respek | Just because we can't afford them, i think we shouldnt hate them lol |
| 02:21.13 | turing | heh |
| 02:21.16 | thecoolestcow | haha |
| 02:21.18 | turing | (running a G5) |
| 02:21.20 | JimButton | Pfated: hey, i run debian on a mac |
| 02:21.20 | thecoolestcow | i build my PCs |
| 02:21.25 | compguymac | thecoolestcow, i use mac because i can carry around a laptop that has windows, osx, and linux all on one laptop |
| 02:21.28 | Pfated | JimButton: #debian-ppc? :) |
| 02:21.39 | compguymac | so im never stuck at a job |
| 02:21.44 | TurffHogg | hey mac guy? |
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| 02:21.48 | thecoolestcow | word. |
| 02:21.48 | Respek | you can do that? |
| 02:21.52 | thecoolestcow | why not just use debian :D? |
| 02:21.52 | compguymac | ppc, pear pc for windows to run osx on a pc |
| 02:22.29 | turing | os x has photoshop |
| 02:22.29 | JimButton | Pfated: there are some questions which belong on #debianppc, but there are some general debian questions which belong here, regardless whether you run it on mac, intel or sparc |
| 02:22.29 | turing | debian don't - but I love it as a webserver ;) |
| 02:22.29 | thecoolestcow | linux has Gimp...? |
| 02:22.29 | compguymac | photoshop is an independent program |
| 02:22.30 | revenger1 | has anyone ever used lirc in here? I'm confused about that shitty setup /dev/lirc works /dev/lircd doesn't and I have no idea why.. |
| 02:22.30 | compguymac | thecoolestcow, yes |
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| 02:22.30 | thecoolestcow | turing: whats your point. windows has photoshop and linux has gimp |
| 02:22.34 | turing | compuguy: well, yes, adobe has not chosen to port pho to linux |
| 02:22.34 | JimButton | and if someone wants to know what hardware debian runs on, this could be on-topic here, too :) |
| 02:22.36 | Pfated | JimButton: Indeed, general debian questions belong here, but Mac-Debian questions don't, which makes Mac OT here, doesn't it? :) |
| 02:22.43 | TurffHogg | what happens if your monitor goes out in an imac? |
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| 02:22.52 | turing | thecoolestcow: photoshop for many is a necessity, it dictates platform |
| 02:23.01 | _quik | the route part gives me a 'host name route error' |
| 02:23.01 | shingouz | TurffHogg: you buy a sparc? :p |
| 02:23.06 | turing | and if you wouldn't consider win, you go os x |
| 02:23.06 | thecoolestcow | turing: what? |
| 02:23.06 | JimButton | Pfated: i think it is easier to just not react at all if you don't know the answer... |
| 02:23.11 | compguymac | TurffHogg, hook it up to an external montiro |
| 02:23.19 | thecoolestcow | turing: i sitll dont know why you cant use windows for photoshop... |
| 02:23.23 | turing | you can |
| 02:23.28 | thecoolestcow | whats your reasoning |
| 02:23.28 | turing | but windows suxx0rs ;) |
| 02:23.36 | Pfated | Uhm... fine. |
| 02:23.38 | turing | which leaves os x ;) |
| 02:23.40 | thecoolestcow | mac isnt much better, budy |
| 02:23.43 | thecoolestcow | buddy* |
| 02:23.45 | JimButton | fights about on-topicness are kind of a waste of energy, especially if it is a borderline case... |
| 02:24.00 | turing | heh, ok, I'm not biting on that one |
| 02:24.07 | thecoolestcow | good. |
| 02:24.07 | compguymac | TurffHogg, you can also get a new screen if you have warrenty |
| 02:24.09 | turing | too tired trying to figure out this tinydns problen |
| 02:24.11 | TurffHogg | so then ya got 2 mon on your desk and only one works huh :) |
| 02:24.13 | turing | er, problem |
| 02:24.13 | thecoolestcow | hehe |
| 02:24.18 | thecoolestcow | i'm out. |
| 02:24.20 | thecoolestcow | later. |
| 02:24.24 | TurffHogg | that would suck |
| 02:24.31 | JimButton | amphi: you can always connect an external mouse... |
| 02:24.34 | turing | no one here running tinydns? |
| 02:24.37 | compguymac | amphi, use an external mouse |
| 02:24.43 | turing | is there a debian server admin channel that you guys know of? |
| 02:24.56 | turing | the mighty mouse has I believe 5 buttons ;) |
| 02:24.58 | Respek | Turing if not make ur own :P |
| 02:25.05 | turing | or 5 "sensetive areas" |
| 02:25.18 | Respek | the mouse needs to be changed.. |
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| 02:25.28 | coywolf | what filesystems support quota? |
| 02:25.29 | turing | Respek: thanks for the suggestion |
| 02:25.37 | amphi | compguymac: I don't need to |
| 02:25.54 | turing | you should make a channel too: #debian-Respek |
| 02:25.56 | amphi | compguymac: I like my 3-button trackpoint |
| 02:25.59 | Respek | you guys know those.. touchpads.. on laptops for the finger.. they should have those but like paper sized..so u can just put your whole hand on it and move your fingers to mvoe the mouse and click.. |
| 02:26.04 | jkern | turing, I noticed this site: http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
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| 02:26.14 | _quik | shingouz: It errors with the gateway |
| 02:26.14 | turing | jkern: it is excellent |
| 02:26.21 | _quik | hostname lookup.. |
| 02:26.30 | amphi | compguymac: although the Fn-alt and Fn-ctl hack is surprisingly usable (I just installed debian on an old ibook) |
| 02:26.32 | turing | http://www.debian-administration.org/?search=tinydns |
| 02:26.33 | turing | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.57 | compguymac | amphi, ya, debian has a ppc version also... |
| 02:27.37 | amphi | compguymac: indeed - as does sysresccd.org, which is most handy |
| 02:27.54 | compguymac | yep |
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| 02:28.56 | Rhinoz | what do I install so that I can have libphp4.so I did an upgrade and busted apache |
| 02:29.22 | mylanta | I want to use loop-aes disk encryption, booting from a cd, with debian stable and a stock kernel (2.6.8-2-686) which reademe,faq,howto is authorative? |
| 02:29.26 | turing | Rhinoz: what version of apache, what version of debian? |
| 02:29.36 | Rhinoz | apache 1.3 |
| 02:29.42 | turing | did you upgrade packages? from debian or from elsewhere? |
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| 02:31.10 | compguymac | im running vnc4server, how do i make it so remote clients log in under xfce gui? |
| 02:31.14 | sandman | Can I change what is displayed @ the shell, on teh fly? |
| 02:31.17 | Rhinoz | I did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:31.18 | jkern | _quik, exactly where are you in the install process? |
| 02:31.26 | steve | I am running "module-assistant" right now. I have several lines saying: Not able to locate package: xxxx-src and xxxx-source . Am i correct in assuming that i need to go and edit my "source.list" somehow |
| 02:31.30 | sandman | I want it to say myusername@debian:~$ |
| 02:31.34 | sandman | And not what it says now |
| 02:31.35 | compguymac | what file do i edit, and or what arguments would i add in the command to start the server? |
| 02:31.52 | Rhinoz | but I had an accident and it upgraded to unstable |
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| 02:32.05 | amphi | sandman: man bash, search for PROMPTING |
| 02:32.05 | compguymac | sandman, yes, ctrl alt + or - |
| 02:32.12 | Respek | sandman whats it say now |
| 02:32.14 | _quik | the package download part |
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| 02:32.44 | jkern | _quik, Have you tried alt-f2? |
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| 02:33.37 | _quik | yes |
| 02:33.43 | Rhinoz | how do I tell which version of debian I have |
| 02:33.51 | jkern | _quik, can you log in? |
| 02:33.57 | _quik | yes |
| 02:34.05 | amphi | Rhinoz: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:34.09 | _quik | and I can run those commands.. |
| 02:34.10 | jkern | _quik, what does ifconfig say |
| 02:34.15 | _quik | although I'm not sure that it works |
| 02:34.28 | compguymac | _quik, u have to su first |
| 02:34.41 | _quik | I'm logged as root |
| 02:35.19 | jkern | _quik, you may be able to edit a file at this point and restart the network |
| 02:35.46 | nvz | I cant get this to work "mount -t smbfs //sambahost/spaced share/ /name" its saying the share name is invalid even if I escape the space with a \ and smbclient -L sambahost shows there is a share |
| 02:36.17 | _quik | jkern, I entered the correct ip and gateway info, although it fails to connect to any mirrors |
| 02:36.25 | _quik | but takes some time to error... |
| 02:36.42 | _quik | rather than when I entered the wrong gateway and it took no time at all to error |
| 02:36.57 | Rhinoz | testing/unstable is what I am running I guess |
| 02:37.10 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:38.19 | jkern | _quik, can you ping outside of your lan? |
| 02:38.36 | jkern | _quik, http://channels.debian.net/paste/720 |
| 02:38.41 | bob2 | coywolf: no |
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| 02:38.52 | jkern | _quik, that is an example |
| 02:39.11 | _quik | right. |
| 02:39.21 | _quik | I'll try editing that and then re-ping, cause the ping failed |
| 02:39.35 | revenger1 | hmm can anyone help me to set up lirc? somehow /dev/lirc works and /dev/lircd is used by lircd but the second device doesn't get any signal from the remote control |
| 02:39.36 | jkern | _quik, if you can edit that file, then you may do a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:39.41 | coywolf | what filesystems support quota? bob2 |
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| 02:40.17 | SNIa | What is the best way to see what inode your hard disks are using? |
| 02:40.34 | jkern | _quik, after editing you need to do a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:40.41 | SNIa | greping dmesg is one, cat /proc/diskstats is another |
| 02:40.52 | SNIa | anyone have any other suggestions? |
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| 02:42.05 | jkern | _quik, you will still need to edit /etc/resolv.conf for a static address setup |
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| 02:43.38 | jkern | _quik, http://channels.debian.net/paste/721 |
| 02:43.54 | jkern | _quik, an example /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:44.43 | _quik | what if I don't know the "network" and "broadcast" entries in the /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:45.22 | maher | _quik: leave them out |
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| 02:45.26 | _quik | right. |
| 02:45.29 | jkern | _quik, that could be a problem if they are specialized for that network, otherwise you can see the pattern eh? |
| 02:45.45 | _quik | otherwise I know the pattern yes |
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| 02:46.02 | TurffHogg | jkern support depth 24 is the hz in the display? |
| 02:46.05 | Rhinoz | Setting up libapache-mod-perl (1.29.0.3-7) ... |
| 02:46.05 | Rhinoz | dpkg: error processing libapache-mod-perl (--configure) |
| 02:46.09 | jkern | _quik, maher suggest leaving them out for now |
| 02:46.12 | _quik | it seems like alot of trouble just to get this right, why couldn't this be part of the uninstaller rather than setting dhcp like a stupid F |
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| 02:46.43 | Rhinoz | how do I get libapache out to try again dpkg --purge gives me errors too |
| 02:46.44 | jkern | TurffHogg, I don't understand your question |
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| 02:46.56 | Rhinoz | what am I doing wrong |
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| 02:47.31 | jkern | _quik, you will learn how to solve problems like this -- fun eh! |
| 02:47.42 | maher | _quik: ifup guesses default values for broadcast and network - if you have special needs it won't guess right... |
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| 02:48.44 | TurffHogg | when i startx i have a fatal error i think it maybe my display choice cause i have a nvidia card but debian is runnung in vmware |
| 02:48.57 | TurffHogg | the error is |
| 02:49.03 | maher | TurffHogg: look for the EE errors |
| 02:49.27 | maher | Rhinoz: what errors? |
| 02:49.27 | _quik | it still will not ping external address |
| 02:49.40 | TurffHogg | driver cant support depth 24 |
| 02:49.55 | maher | _quik: what is your network setup? use ifconfig and route -n to check you have the right settings |
| 02:50.04 | jkern | _quik, what does ifconfig say? |
| 02:50.10 | maher | TurffHogg: set the depth to something smaller then |
| 02:50.18 | _quik | it gives the ip address that the machine has recieved etc |
| 02:50.22 | Respek | i'm out |
| 02:50.24 | Respek | later people! nite |
| 02:50.25 | _quik | which all looks right |
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| 02:50.37 | Rhinoz | pkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 02:50.37 | Rhinoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.37 | Rhinoz | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:50.37 | Rhinoz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:50.39 | jkern | _quik, now do a route -n |
| 02:50.45 | maher | _quik: are you using dhcp or do you need to manually set the info? |
| 02:50.49 | _quik | manual |
| 02:50.55 | maher | Rhinoz: read the topic about pasting |
| 02:51.12 | jkern | maher, dhcp did not work for him originally AFAIK |
| 02:51.18 | Rhinoz | terribly sorry |
| 02:51.37 | TurffHogg | the other one was screen found but none have a usable configuration |
| 02:51.38 | maher | _quik: are the ifconfig setting correct? |
| 02:53.03 | jkern | _quik, does ifconfig look something like this, second line: inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 02:53.34 | maher | _quik: would you like to be using dhcp but it didn't work? |
| 02:53.35 | Rhinoz | I pasted the error I get in flood but I can't seem to find a solution in google |
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| 02:53.49 | maher | Rhinoz: what version of debian |
| 02:53.54 | _quik | yes |
| 02:53.57 | _quik | it seems to look that way yes |
| 02:54.15 | maher | _quik: what does route -n say |
| 02:54.18 | Rhinoz | testing |
| 02:54.38 | _quik | it has two lines |
| 02:54.41 | TurffHogg | jkern i ran the restart setup command "base-config" but it didnt have the option to change the display. can ya point me in the right direction? |
| 02:54.52 | maher | Rhinoz: sometimes testing has bugs - have you checked the bts |
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| 02:55.04 | Rhinoz | I had an accident earlier today where I upgraded a lot of it to unstable so I am doingdammage control |
| 02:55.08 | _quik | 192.168.0.0 | 0 |
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| 02:55.18 | jkern | TurffHogg, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:55.21 | orangey | hey all! |
| 02:55.34 | _quik | 192.168.0.0 | 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:55.36 | _quik | other with |
| 02:55.39 | orangey | any ideas where I could find some help on gizmod or powermate? |
| 02:55.48 | _quik | 0.0.0.0 | 192.168.0.1 | 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:56.13 | jkern | _quik, that looks ok, I think |
| 02:56.13 | maher | Rhinoz: depending on how badly you hosed things you might be better of reinstalling rather than attempting to downgrade |
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| 02:56.37 | _quik | maybe I'll use knoppix to remove the learning curve! |
| 02:56.42 | jkern | _quik, can you ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:56.45 | _quik | or download a full installer |
| 02:56.47 | _quik | yes I can |
| 02:56.52 | maher | _quik: what happens when you ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:56.53 | Rhinoz | well the server is remote so I need to get it at least mostly running first |
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| 02:57.18 | jkern | _quik, did you edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:57.24 | _quik | wait/ |
| 02:57.27 | _quik | I got access now! |
| 02:57.44 | _quik | packages are downloading. |
| 02:57.55 | _quik | heh, first package I can get is going to be gnome :P |
| 02:58.01 | jkern | _quik, think what fun you would have missed... |
| 02:58.09 | _quik | thanks heaps for the attention ! |
| 02:58.29 | _quik | its basically a test server for Ruby/Rails dev internally here |
| 02:58.35 | dogmeat | where can i read about getting NFS working ? |
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| 02:58.41 | jkern | _quik, you're welcome |
| 02:58.42 | _quik | and a linux stomping ground, somewhat. |
| 02:58.50 | _quik | much appriciated! |
| 02:59.13 | jkern | _quik, stomp on! |
| 02:59.13 | maher | dogmeat: google nfs howto |
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| 02:59.19 | dogmeat | ty |
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| 03:02.28 | sandman | How can I get a nonroot user to execute commands upon logging in? I used ~/.profile already and that doesn't seem to work for nonroots |
| 03:02.51 | steve | I am running "module-assistant" right now. I have several lines saying: Not able to locate package: xxxx-src and xxxx-source . Am i correct in assuming that i need to go and edit my "source.list" somehow. all of the sources in my list are accessable. no " # " precedeing any of them |
| 03:03.20 | jkern | sandman, edit .bash_profile |
| 03:03.29 | jkern | sandman, edit .bashrc |
| 03:03.36 | maher | sandman: read man bash for an explanation of the difference between .bash_profile and .bash_rc |
| 03:03.51 | maher | sander: s/.bash_rc/.bashrc/ |
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| 03:04.12 | coywolf | !quota |
| 03:04.12 | dpkg | i guess quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
| 03:04.16 | maher | steve: did you do the update thingy? |
| 03:04.20 | TurffHogg | jkern Thanks! |
| 03:04.43 | sandman | bashrc just sets EVs, it looks like. bash_profile actually executes stuff |
| 03:05.08 | steve | yes in bot "apt" and "module-assistant |
| 03:05.14 | steve | both |
| 03:05.21 | jkern | sandman, .bash_profile "sources" .bashrc in the usual setup |
| 03:05.30 | maher | steve: what module are youtrying to build |
| 03:05.46 | lakcaj | Hi. I'm having an issue with a laptop and the sarge netinstall CD. The lappy is a Dell D810 with an ide hard drive, but the install CD doesn't detect the hard drive. I'm not sure where to begin. |
| 03:05.46 | steve | nvidia-kernal |
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| 03:06.17 | aji | bandung |
| 03:07.04 | revenger1 | does anyone know how to set up lirc? |
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| 03:07.40 | maher | lakcaj: google linux laptops |
| 03:08.07 | jkern | Revenger, does it not run you through a setup routine the first time you run it? |
| 03:08.14 | maher | steve: is it listed as supported by m-a? |
| 03:08.54 | steve | i have " contrib non-free " already added to " deb http// xxxxxxxxx/ stable main |
| 03:09.23 | steve | no b-a shows a blank for the listed errors |
| 03:09.31 | steve | m-a |
| 03:10.54 | maher | steve: umm - well it didn't work for me either.... m-a fialed with some bizarre errors |
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| 03:11.26 | jkern | Revenger, ignore my query -- I was thinking of something quite different from lirc, sorry. |
| 03:11.41 | steve | i only get the errors when i select the line for " selecting modules to work on" |
| 03:11.56 | maher | steve: did you check the bugs for module-assistant |
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| 03:13.08 | Jeffro | hello |
| 03:13.21 | xaiki | ca fait 3 mois que j'y ait pas touche |
| 03:13.26 | xaiki | oups =) |
| 03:13.54 | Jeffro | i just installed xdm on my pentium 133 mhz before and when xdm starts the screen resolutin changes and the screen stays black, what to do now? |
| 03:13.59 | steve | nah.. still flying by the seat of my pants right now. 2 week old newbie here. |
| 03:14.10 | jkern | xaiki, parlais vous anglais or something |
| 03:14.37 | xaiki | jkern: it was just a 'wrong-window' issue =) |
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| 03:14.47 | Jeffro | can anyone help me out? |
| 03:14.52 | maher | steve: ask dpkg about nvidia |
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| 03:15.20 | lakcaj | maher, I've googled for some info, but both references to this particular model were using a 60 gig sata drive, where I have the 40 gig ide. |
| 03:15.22 | jkern | Jeffro, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 might help |
| 03:15.37 | Jeffro | i know, but what should be the problem |
| 03:15.47 | Jeffro | first my mouse was a problem so i chose psaux |
| 03:15.55 | Jeffro | because its an ps/2 mouse |
| 03:15.58 | maher | lakcaj: that won't make any difference |
| 03:16.06 | Jeffro | but i'll try |
| 03:16.24 | jkern | Jeffro, try again and see what happens |
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| 03:16.43 | maher | lakcaj: did you read the bit about the 2.6 kernel not recognizing the sata drive so use the 2.4 |
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| 03:17.26 | lakcaj | maher, it's not a sata drive, it's just IDE, unless I have my terminology confused. |
| 03:17.28 | steve | did some asking already. and some reading. can actually run system withoud it. just wont have 3d acceleration. |
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| 03:18.00 | maher | lakcaj: which kernels have you tried |
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| 03:19.07 | maher | steve: lots of people turn up here and fail to compile their nvidia modules - but i don't have any nvdia hw so i have never done this myself... |
| 03:19.11 | lakcaj | maher, it's not my machine, I'm helping someone via email that is having problems. He is using linux26 at the prompt. |
| 03:19.35 | maher | lakcaj: tell him to try the 2.4 kernel (i.e. nothing at the prompt) and see if that works |
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| 03:20.27 | lakcaj | maher, ok, that's an option. Would there be IDE drives that would require a particular module to be loaded to be able to see the drive? |
| 03:20.46 | jkern | lakcaj, I use 2.6.13.1 with nvidia-source |
| 03:20.51 | maher | lakcaj: that could be the case - but most common chipsets should be supported |
| 03:20.56 | lakcaj | jkern, that's nice |
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| 03:21.03 | steve | <---- sitting here eyeballing the pc that belongs to office |
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| 03:21.32 | steve | 3dfx in that one |
| 03:22.12 | lakcaj | maher, ok, thanks for you help. I've got a couple of suggestion I can give him at least. |
| 03:22.15 | lakcaj | your |
| 03:22.32 | rking | what's the skiffy on ^H vs ^? |
| 03:23.33 | jkern | steve, I use 2.6.13.1 with nvidia-source |
| 03:23.58 | jkern | steve, I use 2.6.13.1 with nvidia-kernel-source, that is |
| 03:24.28 | steve | 2.6.8 here |
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| 03:24.53 | jkern | steve, is that a debian kernel package? |
| 03:25.29 | rking | taking a default xterm/bash, and hitting ^V<backspace> shows ^? - isn't that "DEL", not "BS"? is linux wrong to do ^? instead of ^H? |
| 03:26.27 | steve | believe so . did a floppy-net-install. default kernel was 2.4 upgraded to 2.6.8 |
| 03:26.33 | mylanta | can anyone help with disk encryption on stable? |
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| 03:26.58 | rking | mylanta: as always, just shoot your question out there, and cross your fingers |
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| 03:27.20 | compguymac | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.26 | compguymac | with all the same passwords |
| 03:27.50 | maher | compguymac: bash has a for loop |
| 03:28.08 | compguymac | ?? |
| 03:28.08 | jkern | steve, take a look at apt-cache search nvidia -- note the packages that match up the kernel and nvidia -- is there one for 2.6.8? |
| 03:28.36 | mylanta | Is it essential to recompile the kernel in order to use loop-AES, Loop-AES-source readme says not... |
| 03:28.47 | bob2 | compguymac: get your sysadmin to do it |
| 03:29.17 | compguymac | its my machine |
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| 03:30.04 | rking | comfrey: for n in `seq -f'%02g' 1 20`; do echo adduser user$n; done |
| 03:30.11 | rking | comfrey: sorry, i meant compguymac |
| 03:30.34 | miag | steve: i use 2.6.14-rc1 with nvidia installer, both are custom, it so easy! |
| 03:30.42 | rking | $pearls->castTo($swine); |
| 03:31.06 | steve | only lists 2.4.xxx |
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| 03:32.36 | maher | mylanta: i think they should be present in the standard debian kernel - look in /boot/config-xxxx or just carry on and see |
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| 03:33.20 | steve | does that mean i would have to downgrad from 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 03:34.21 | jkern | steve, are there any other debian 2.6.* kernel-image packages? apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 03:34.33 | amphi | rking: (swine)pearls |
| 03:34.47 | rking | amphi++ |
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| 03:36.28 | fuji2 | wazaaaaap |
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| 03:36.43 | fuji2 | i have ubuntu 5.04, whenever i try to install it, it freezes near the end of install (when it sets up packages).. all my computer specs and info are at http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=help9sy.jpg. anyone know what could be causing this? motherboard? ram? please help.. |
| 03:36.48 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 03:36.48 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 03:36.52 | fuji2 | i mean debian |
| 03:36.53 | fuji2 | 3.1 |
| 03:36.54 | mylanta | rking /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/BackspaceDelete.gz says quite a lot about DEL and BS |
| 03:36.59 | abrotman | too late |
| 03:37.34 | abrotman | and that image is illegible |
| 03:37.38 | abrotman | able |
| 03:37.42 | abrotman | ffs .. /me goes bed |
| 03:37.46 | abrotman | to bed also |
| 03:40.06 | rking | mylanta: thank you very much. I didn't ever notice .../doc/HOWTO, for that matter. |
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| 03:41.24 | lupa | how can I install gnome 2.12 on debian 3.1 (unstable)? |
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| 03:41.56 | jkern | !tell lupa unstable |
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| 03:42.37 | lupa | i'm using debian unstable. |
| 03:42.51 | jkern | lupa, /msg dpkg unstable |
| 03:43.19 | TurffHogg | jkern where can i change the default x? |
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| 03:44.20 | fuji2 | i have debian 3.1, whenever i try to install it, it freezes near the end of install (when it sets up packages).. all my computer specs and info are at http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=help9sy.jpg. anyone know what could be causing this? motherboard? ram? please help.. |
| 03:44.22 | jkern | TurffHogg, ls -l /etc/X11/X ?? |
| 03:44.36 | lupa | okz. how can i install gnome 2.12 ? |
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| 03:45.09 | nimak | lupa: is it in unstable? |
| 03:45.10 | jkern | lupa, folks here are reluctant to help with sid/unstable |
| 03:45.41 | jkern | lupa, because it is often really unstable! |
| 03:46.27 | jkern | TurffHogg, do you want to change from xfree86 to xorg or something like that? |
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| 03:47.11 | jkern | lupa, apt-cache search gnome | grep 2.12 |
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| 03:47.36 | lupa | jkern, ok. |
| 03:48.23 | steve | got 2.6-686, and 2.6.8-2 in the list that comes up. 2.6.8-2 is my current version |
| 03:49.02 | stumble1 | what can a user do if they have write only (--w) access to a directory - i can't come up with any actions they can do |
| 03:49.03 | jkern | steve, is there a binary nvidia package for one of those kernel-image packages |
| 03:49.22 | maher | stumble1: they can write to it? |
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| 03:49.37 | steve | beats me? |
| 03:49.47 | vortek | ello, Im treing to write a paper on TCP and how it was classified and how people wanted it to be free.. And I mean actual classified as in not public |
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| 03:49.51 | stumble1 | maher: nope can't write aparently |
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| 03:50.01 | stumble1 | maher: permission denied |
| 03:50.03 | vortek | I cant find no info in kernel src or man pages or nothing |
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| 03:50.10 | steve | how do i check? |
| 03:50.24 | bob2 | vortek: er, of course, man pages and kernel source are nto for documenting random protocols fro mthe 1970's |
| 03:50.30 | bob2 | vortek: wikipedia and find the TCP RFC |
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| 03:50.55 | vortek | bob2: cool thanxs, I remember seeing a special on it on history channel.. something like pioneers of the internet or something |
| 03:51.11 | vortek | bob2: and thats were the term was coined info should be free etc blah blah |
| 03:51.25 | bob2 | I'd be very wary of believing a TV show about TCP |
| 03:51.30 | jkern | steve, apt-cache search nvidia | grep "NVIDIA binary kernel module" |
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| 03:51.39 | bob2 | do you really mean TCP or do you mean the internet protocols in general? |
| 03:51.41 | vorlon | yes, the only way to understand TCP is by reading Vint Cerf's poetry RFCs |
| 03:52.01 | muhoo | i just upgraded from woody to sarge, and now uw-imapd is refusing to serve up directories outside of $HOME |
| 03:52.04 | vortek | bob2: probaly internet protocols in general |
| 03:52.23 | muhoo | all of my mail, of course, is in a /mnt/somewhere, not in ~/. what happened? |
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| 03:53.49 | foreyez | newb question: anyone know how i can display or 'cat' all txt files in all my subdirectories... ? |
| 03:54.19 | lupa | j debian-br |
| 03:54.27 | muhoo | hmm. looks like i have to dick with /etc/c-client.cf. dammit. |
| 03:54.29 | stumble1 | foreyez: cat `find directory` |
| 03:54.37 | blujay | foreyez: I'm guessing something like 'find ~/ -name *.txt | cat' |
| 03:54.45 | jkern | forcemstr, for x in $(ls -R /home/newb) ; do cat $x ;done |
| 03:54.46 | bob2 | blujay: you need an xargs i nthere |
| 03:55.01 | blujay | bob2: yeah, probably...I'm not that advanced :) |
| 03:55.35 | jkern | forcemstr, for x in $(ls -R /home/newb/*txt) ; do cat $x ;done , rather |
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| 03:56.18 | yarddog | vortek, hrmmmmmm |
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| 03:56.35 | vortek | heh |
| 03:56.38 | vortek | yarddog: sups bro |
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| 03:56.44 | yarddog | easy now :P |
| 03:56.52 | vortek | :) |
| 03:56.55 | vortek | GOOD DOGGIE! |
| 03:56.56 | vortek | :) |
| 03:57.15 | yarddog | i thought you were spying on me here :) |
| 03:57.22 | foreyez | thanks... i kinda combined all your recommendations, for x in $(find) ; do cat $x |
| 03:57.39 | stumble1 | foreyez: cat `find test -type f` |
| 03:58.03 | stumble1 | where test is the dir |
| 03:58.23 | stumble1 | otherwise find will try to cat your dirs |
| 03:58.34 | foreyez | yeeh... but i wanted all subdirs, it's all good |
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| 03:58.43 | vortek | yarddog: nah :) I come here to get away from the unet kiddies some times |
| 03:59.01 | yarddog | i idle mostly, watch and learn |
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| 03:59.11 | jkern | foreyez, what exactly did you use, I am curious. |
| 03:59.30 | stumble1 | foreyez: it will recurse, into subdirs, but makes no sense to try to cat a dir |
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| 04:00.26 | foreyez | for x in $(find); do cat $x; done |
| 04:00.37 | coywolf | how to cancel all pending installation in aptitute? I've messed up. accidently selected all to install |
| 04:00.39 | coywolf | :( |
| 04:00.53 | foreyez | or better yet, for x in $(find -name *.c); do cat $x; done |
| 04:01.38 | stumble1 | what's the for... um... for? you only need one call to cat listing all the files |
| 04:01.42 | steve | how do i get keyboard to give me this : | < --- had to cut and paste to get this one |
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| 04:02.13 | kapil | coywolf: first stop aptitude. Ctrl-C ought to do it. |
| 04:02.15 | stumble1 | above the backslash on your keyboard steve |
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| 04:02.27 | foreyez | ah i dunno;) it just works |
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| 04:02.37 | amphi | steve: is yr keymap different than the physical layout? |
| 04:02.47 | coywolf | kapil, but after I re-run aptitude, they are all pending to install :( |
| 04:02.59 | lawrence | anyone else having problems with ssh in unstable? |
| 04:03.25 | lawrence | s/ssh/ssh-client/ |
| 04:03.44 | fast | lawrence: genkey |
| 04:03.53 | kapil | coywolf: yes. of course. There are two places where this is recorded. |
| 04:04.03 | jkern | foreyez, steve is right -- just cat $(find ./ -name "*txt") for example seems to work -- no for in do etc |
| 04:04.10 | steve | really. looks like a streched out colon symbol. never had to use it before. |
| 04:04.13 | miag | lawrence: did you update? |
| 04:04.14 | coywolf | kapil, how to repair? |
| 04:04.22 | steve | thanx |
| 04:04.28 | kapil | coywolf: the primary one is /var/lib/dpkg/status and the secondary one (which is for aptitude only is /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates) |
| 04:04.55 | kapil | coywolf: save a copy of each of these files. |
| 04:05.58 | coywolf | kapil, now their status are pi, i want to change them back to pp |
| 04:05.58 | lawrence | I'm running 1:4.2p1-3, I've tried dongrading to no avail |
| 04:05.58 | Jeffro | ok i got it to work, btw will kde slow down on my pentium 166 mhz? |
| 04:05.59 | foreyez | jkern, damn... yer right |
| 04:05.59 | Jeffro | or only the boot of it |
| 04:05.59 | kapil | coywolf: Look at /var/lib/dpkg/status-old or in /var/backups for an older copy of the status file. |
| 04:05.59 | lawrence | ssh to anywere segfaults |
| 04:05.59 | jkern | foreyez, actually steve was right :) |
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| 04:06.11 | kapil | coywolf: move away your current /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates file. |
| 04:06.36 | jkern | foreyez, for-in-do and xargs are both handy though |
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| 04:06.51 | kapil | coywolf: if 'mv /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status' does not work for you then |
| 04:06.56 | miag | lawrence: me too, but it works for me. |
| 04:07.04 | kapil | coywolf: you have a serious editing job ahead of you! |
| 04:07.15 | coywolf | kapil, thanks, brb |
| 04:07.26 | foreyez | foreyez, yah it all was educational... |
| 04:07.28 | foreyez | oops ;) |
| 04:07.36 | foreyez | thanks all |
| 04:07.53 | Xenguy | !fuck BX |
| 04:07.59 | Jeffro | Hello, can anyone recommend a good window manager for a pentium 1 166 mhz? |
| 04:08.17 | Jeffro | e xcept for fluxbox.. |
| 04:08.20 | TrigunBallZ | fvwm |
| 04:08.27 | JimButton | Jeffro: maybe ratpoison or something similarly small and fast |
| 04:08.34 | Jeffro | ok |
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| 04:08.37 | Xenguy | Jeffro: icewm, wmaker |
| 04:08.37 | lawrence | fvwm2 |
| 04:08.44 | Jeffro | i'll try them |
| 04:08.46 | lawrence | wmaker to slow |
| 04:08.52 | TrigunBallZ | takes some work on config, but can be very light and fast and pretty |
| 04:08.58 | Jeffro | i guess kde will slow fown too |
| 04:09.02 | Xenguy | lawrence: no :-) |
| 04:09.04 | TrigunBallZ | wmaker can be a hog |
| 04:09.12 | rarr | can anyone tell me how to do a debian install from another partition? |
| 04:09.42 | Jeffro | you mean being on windows then installing ? |
| 04:09.47 | lawrence | xenguy: disagree, and it's my default. :) |
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| 04:10.07 | TrigunBallZ | use a boot floppy and point to the other partition for its apt repositories? |
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| 04:10.21 | Xenguy | lawrence: it's not the leanest WM, true, but it's pretty good |
| 04:10.27 | rarr | putting files on my laptop drive with an adapter while booted up in knoppix then swaping that into my laptop and installing |
| 04:10.31 | lawrence | Oh I'd agree with that |
| 04:10.57 | lawrence | It's slowed down some the last couple years |
| 04:11.00 | CompWizrd | icewm is nice, just remember to tell apt-get to bugger off when it wants to overwrite your preferences file :) |
| 04:11.24 | zinx | you have to change the global preferences file? o_O |
| 04:11.32 | TrigunBallZ | if the laptop has a nic, i'd just install from internet |
| 04:11.38 | miag | gnome is fast enough to me.. |
| 04:11.46 | lawrence | no one else have a idea *why* I can't ssh anymore? |
| 04:11.55 | jkern | Jeffro, I used xfce with P133 several years ago -- don't know about xfce4 though |
| 04:11.57 | lawrence | it's very strange. |
| 04:12.06 | amphi | openbox seems reasonably fast |
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| 04:12.25 | lawrence | blackbox still exist? |
| 04:12.27 | Jeffro | yeah but i dont want to make it look like fluxbox |
| 04:12.28 | rarr | nvm i think i found it |
| 04:12.34 | Jeffro | fluxbox was UGLY |
| 04:12.41 | miag | lawrence: why don't you download the src and compile it yourself already? |
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| 04:13.23 | lawrence | miag: :) I'd rather hints on how to debug the existing package. |
| 04:13.26 | steve | 2.4.27 is the only binary for nvidia kernel. ( sitting here looking at a fix though. my old Diamond Speedstar, or the 3dfx-voodoo - that i am eyeballin in the office pc |
| 04:13.44 | jkern | lawrence, did an upgrade change your config for ssh? |
| 04:13.58 | lawrence | miag: better bug reports that way |
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| 04:14.06 | lawrence | jkern: not a thing |
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| 04:14.25 | lawrence | only other major change was the kernel. |
| 04:14.35 | jkern | lawrence, you mean it worked and then stopped working for no apparent reason? |
| 04:14.40 | miag | lawrence: minimal debian install, glibc, gcc, binutils, autoconf, automake, m4, libtool in /usr/local, garnome in /home for me |
| 04:14.43 | TrigunBallZ | don't seg faults have to do with memory addressing, or conflict with the kernel? |
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| 04:15.35 | TrigunBallZ | used to get them all the time with old redhat 'sndconfig' |
| 04:15.41 | lawrence | jkern: yes |
| 04:15.54 | lawrence | jkern: was working fine until I upgraded. |
| 04:16.14 | lawrence | downgraded but it did not help |
| 04:16.23 | lawrence | moved my .ssh |
| 04:16.23 | jkern | lawrence, maybe apt-get --re-install install ssh ?? |
| 04:17.18 | lawrence | tried that too |
| 04:17.28 | lawrence | ssh -v just gives me this |
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| 04:17.36 | lawrence | Segmentation fault |
| 04:17.46 | lawrence | at the end |
| 04:17.47 | steve | is it possible : to go ahead and install the nvidia on to my 2.4 kernel. then somehow or other upgrade that particular kernel to a 2.6.xxx |
| 04:17.52 | Jeffro | lawrence |
| 04:17.58 | Jeffro | try a apt-get update |
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| 04:18.16 | Jeffro | i had a segmentation fault with aptitutude and apt-get |
| 04:18.22 | Jeffro | apt-get update solved it |
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| 04:18.49 | kapil | lastlog -public coywolf |
| 04:19.07 | jkern | steve, it seems that there is no nvidia binary for 2.6.* -- you could use kernel-package package and kernel and nvidia source to make it all work |
| 04:19.24 | metaperl | ok, lsusb finds my new 300gb Western Digital external hard drive... what are my next steps to mounting this bad boy? Nothing in /dev/usb appears to be this drive |
| 04:19.35 | kapil | liable: thanks. |
| 04:19.48 | Jeffro | tried to look in hda or something |
| 04:19.49 | metaperl | make that 320gb |
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| 04:20.06 | Jeffro | or else man mount |
| 04:20.08 | liable | metaperl: look in dmesg see what's been done with it for a clue.. |
| 04:20.09 | tcsetattr | metaperl: load the usb-storage module and the sd_mod module, then fdisk -l /dev/sda to see the partitions that are available |
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| 04:20.14 | steve | ok you lost me on that one |
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| 04:20.41 | metaperl | tcsetattr: you load modules via modprobe ? |
| 04:20.49 | jkern | steve, was there no matching nvidia binary package for a 2.6.* kernel? |
| 04:20.52 | lawrence | I hate doing this but I think I'm gona reboot |
| 04:20.57 | Jeffro | yeah if you do it manually |
| 04:21.18 | tcsetattr | yes, you can modprobe them, and add them to /etc/modules to load on boot |
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| 04:21.28 | metaperl | tcsetattr: thanks |
| 04:21.30 | Jeffro | yeah i meant that |
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| 04:22.13 | jkern | steve, apt-cache search nvidia | grep "NVIDIA binary kernel module" |
| 04:22.35 | metaperl | tcsetattr: both modules loaded but fdisk -l /dev/sda shows nothing |
| 04:23.04 | Jeffro | check /dev/usb |
| 04:23.23 | metaperl | hiddev0 lp0 |
| 04:23.25 | metaperl | tjat |
| 04:23.30 | metaperl | that's all it has |
| 04:23.35 | liable | dmesg.. |
| 04:23.59 | steve | that is correct. i'm refering to what said. " use kernel-package package and kernel and nvidia source to make it all work" |
| 04:24.09 | metaperl | ah.... hiddev96: USB HID v1.10 Device [Western Digital External HDD] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-1.2.2 |
| 04:24.14 | metaperl | ah....so that was it |
| 04:24.16 | metaperl | liable: thanks |
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| 04:24.52 | metaperl | should I add it to /etc/fstab so it mounts upon boot? |
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| 04:25.17 | jkern | steve, I don't know if it will work, since sarge may not have the utils for 2.6.* to compile correctly; so my suggestion is not much use. Sorry. |
| 04:25.34 | hans0lo | I would like to install xorg on debian sarge. What do I need to put in /etc/apt/preferences to pin just the xorg packages (and depends) to sid? |
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| 04:26.05 | jkern | steve, why do you need a 2.6.* kernel? |
| 04:26.25 | compguymac | when i startx on a machine, it gives me the error "no screens found" |
| 04:26.33 | compguymac | what is the command to run the config tool? |
| 04:26.36 | vorlon | hans0lo: you realize that means pulling in the sid (or etch) version of glibc and other core packages as well? (Which in turn means /etc/apt/preferences will be fairly long...) |
| 04:26.38 | steve | system requirement |
| 04:26.58 | jkern | steve, hardware, you mean? |
| 04:26.59 | compguymac | ... |
| 04:27.06 | liable | hans0lo: /msg dpkg xorg sarge... or just read the topic.. ;P |
| 04:27.06 | steve | certain apps wont function without |
| 04:27.11 | compguymac | it was something like ...-config |
| 04:27.28 | liable | !DRXX compguymac |
| 04:27.29 | dpkg | compguymac: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 04:28.01 | hans0lo | liable: you're my hero |
| 04:28.17 | stormshadow | is anyone running apache |
| 04:28.21 | liable | shucks.. *blush* |
| 04:28.30 | liable | !anyone use |
| 04:28.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:29.05 | stormshadow | ha |
| 04:29.08 | jkern | steve, see if you can formulate a question for this channel that describes your problem and need for 2.6.* For example, can one compile 2.6.* on sarge? |
| 04:30.15 | liable | !tell steve about nvidia one liner |
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| 04:30.59 | jkern | steve, apt-cache show kernel-package to clarify my earlier suggestion |
| 04:31.10 | backz\off | How I must do to convert in gftp the charset? Like in my fat32 on my machine, I use iocharset=utf-8, but... in remote ftp? what I must do? |
| 04:33.11 | tcsetattr | well, I _think_ what he means by that is he wants filename listings in a UTF-8 font... |
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| 04:33.45 | vorlon | backz\off: I've never seen an ftp client with support for charset conversion |
| 04:34.03 | backz\off | hum |
| 04:34.07 | Jeffro | omg |
| 04:34.09 | Jeffro | i got an problem |
| 04:34.20 | Jeffro | i tried to install kdm and kde |
| 04:34.27 | Jeffro | kdm starts find |
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| 04:34.31 | Jeffro | fine |
| 04:34.43 | Jeffro | but when i log in kdm just reboots |
| 04:34.48 | Jeffro | instead of kde |
| 04:34.53 | Jeffro | how to fix that? |
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| 04:34.57 | debian_newbie88 | hello |
| 04:34.59 | hans0lo | anyone here use DVD::RIP? the sarge repository for it seems to be down now. |
| 04:35.00 | debian_newbie88 | hello all |
| 04:35.19 | debian_newbie88 | I have some problem with config xwindows. |
| 04:35.41 | kapil | Jeffro: you mean kdm "just restarts" and presumably not "just reboots". |
| 04:35.55 | Jeffro | yeah |
| 04:36.12 | Jeffro | instead of starting kde it goes of and restat kde? |
| 04:36.21 | Jeffro | is it because i installed kdm first? |
| 04:36.26 | liable | no |
| 04:36.34 | debian_newbie88 | I use xf86config when I finish I see some error about (EE)Configured Mouse : cannot open input device. |
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| 04:36.41 | john | i need help with /etc/hosts.allow/.deny |
| 04:36.45 | john | anybody skilled in that area? :/ |
| 04:36.50 | kapil | Jeffro: try to use the failsafe/xterm/kterm login |
| 04:36.56 | Jeffro | debian newbie try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:36.59 | Jeffro | ok |
| 04:37.10 | liable | debian_newbie88: then you picked the wrong driver or protocol, and you shouldnt use xfconfig in debian, use dpkg |
| 04:37.15 | jkern | debian_newbie88, try dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 |
| 04:37.17 | debian_newbie88 | I try it now. |
| 04:37.20 | liable | debian_newbie88: but it wont work now.. |
| 04:37.27 | liable | !xmd5 |
| 04:37.27 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 04:37.29 | kapil | john: have you looked at "man 5 hosts_access" |
| 04:37.48 | steve | ok i see the one liner. already have module-assistant installed. if i cut and paste the one-liner to terminal, what portion do i cut out? |
| 04:37.53 | Jeffro | there isnt a kterm and xterm |
| 04:37.57 | liable | debian_newbie88: you have to run the md5 on it and then use dpkg.. |
| 04:38.01 | debian_newbie88 | I install xwindows via tasksel. |
| 04:38.07 | metaperl | ah, it was in /dev/sdb not /dev/sda |
| 04:38.21 | Jeffro | there was default, custom, kde and failsafe |
| 04:38.22 | kapil | Jeffro: what are a the different sessions available under KDM? |
| 04:38.26 | liable | debian_newbie88: oh, so you didnt actually run xfconfig yourself? |
| 04:38.34 | Jeffro | and i can do console login |
| 04:38.35 | kapil | Jeffro: use failsafe |
| 04:38.38 | Jeffro | and remote login |
| 04:38.41 | debian_newbie88 | yes |
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| 04:38.48 | liable | Jeffro: try killing kdm, and running startx and see what happens.. |
| 04:38.53 | Jeffro | ok |
| 04:38.55 | liable | !drxx debian_newbie88 |
| 04:38.56 | dpkg | debian_newbie88: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:38.56 | Jeffro | il try |
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| 04:39.12 | metaperl | fdisk -l shows this: /dev/sdb1 * 1 38912 312560608+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 04:39.12 | metaperl | .... I plan to use this drive with Linux only... should I reformat it? |
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| 04:39.30 | liable | metaperl: if you want.. |
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| 04:39.48 | metaperl | if so,how to reformat it? a Linux filesystem is better performing I assume... |
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| 04:40.21 | debian_newbie88 | if I use command apt-cache search xfree86 I can see many file. |
| 04:40.30 | hans0lo | metaperl: use fdisk to remove the partition and create new linux partiition |
| 04:40.30 | kapil | metaperl: but you probably just want to use the 'd' command in fdisk to delete the partition. Then create a new one. |
| 04:40.43 | liable | debian_newbie88: dont hand edit it.. use dpkg to reconfigure it.. |
| 04:40.58 | muhoo | problem solved: i needed to "ln -s /mnt/path/to/mail ~/Mail" and all is well |
| 04:40.59 | metaperl | kapil: but do you have to format the disk? how do you format it after making the partition? |
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| 04:41.09 | jkern | steve, did the "one-liner" work? |
| 04:41.15 | debian_newbie88 | ok I try it. |
| 04:41.21 | caphuso | metaperl: it's 2005 now. you don't format hard disks anymore |
| 04:41.24 | Jeffro | well startx takes longer then kdm, so i assume it is running kde |
| 04:41.24 | host` | should the package I'm about to download "ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.11-686_1.1-4+linex2005-2_i386.deb" work? |
| 04:41.29 | hans0lo | metaperl: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda (or whatever partition/drive) |
| 04:41.35 | Jeffro | and my background is fully gray now |
| 04:41.49 | Jeffro | i got kpersonalizer |
| 04:41.52 | host` | what is linex-2005? |
| 04:42.03 | steve | i didn't try it yet, already have module-assistant installed |
| 04:42.08 | kapil | metaperl: after you make a new partition you can run mke2fs on the partition. |
| 04:42.15 | metaperl | ok sorry to ask, but I dont see an fdisk option to remove a partition |
| 04:42.20 | metaperl | even in man fdisk |
| 04:42.26 | jkern | steve, good luck and good night |
| 04:42.34 | Jeffro | damn, have to resize my screen |
| 04:42.37 | john | kapil: went through it, im more looking for help with a twist command placed within deny |
| 04:42.40 | hans0lo | metaperl: try cfdisk -- its easier |
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| 04:43.14 | liable | metaperl: didnt look very hard did you? try cfdisk too.. |
| 04:43.30 | kapil | john: out of my ken. |
| 04:44.04 | backz\off | what is the diference of vars LANGUAGE and LANG on my /etc/environment ? |
| 04:44.08 | steve | is it ok to do the one-liner on top of an already installed " module-assistant"? |
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| 04:44.41 | host` | anyone know where I can find the kernel headers for 2.6.11 on a 686? |
| 04:45.34 | debian_newbie88 | thank you |
| 04:45.37 | Jeffro | well, i got kde to boot\ |
| 04:45.43 | Jeffro | only my sound failed |
| 04:45.53 | debian_newbie88 | It working with cmd #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:45.54 | liable | host`: um, from the repo's? |
| 04:45.57 | mwilson | Hrm |
| 04:46.01 | debian_newbie88 | Now I can startx windows |
| 04:46.03 | Jeffro | and i couldnt doe the kpersonalizer because 640, 480 was to small |
| 04:46.10 | debian_newbie88 | thank you a lot |
| 04:46.21 | Jeffro | il have to change it and install alsa i guess |
| 04:46.29 | liable | !info kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 04:46.33 | host` | liable: it's not there |
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| 04:46.50 | host` | liable: it seems like they have everything else, but not for intel chipset |
| 04:46.56 | liable | host`: hmm, i got it in my cache.. |
| 04:47.06 | liable | -1 and -9.. |
| 04:47.18 | host` | I need -1 |
| 04:47.24 | debian_newbie88 | I back again with debian linux computer. |
| 04:47.59 | host` | is it possible to find out witch repo it's on? |
| 04:48.10 | liable | !find kernel-headers-2.6.11-1 |
| 04:48.20 | host` | I can't get on linux right now, I have to install ndiswrapper first |
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| 04:49.02 | host` | or a ndiswrapper for it would be even better, if I don't need the headers to install that |
| 04:49.10 | host` | but I think I do |
| 04:49.51 | host` | I'm googling and I can't find them |
| 04:50.11 | host` | liable, would you at least paste your repos in pastebin? |
| 04:50.14 | liable | host`: sec, dpkg is updating its database.. |
| 04:50.21 | host` | ok |
| 04:50.28 | liable | host`: there in the sid repo on my box. |
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| 04:51.18 | liable | !find kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 |
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| 04:51.24 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686' returned no results. |
| 04:51.26 | lildude | liable this is your canada freind |
| 04:51.42 | liable | lildude: hi. |
| 04:51.48 | host` | I don't know what "sid" means, I'm fairly new to linux, I used to be able to set up a complete server, but it's bben a long time |
| 04:51.54 | metaperl | I'm going to be using my new 320gb HD to store music and videos is -T largefile4 the best inode creation strategy for me? |
| 04:52.14 | host` | 320gb HD? whoa... |
| 04:52.30 | metaperl | Western Digital from Circuit City for 300 bux |
| 04:52.51 | lildude | msg blocked ok |
| 04:52.52 | RiverRat | metaperl: One inode for each 4096 blocks |
| 04:53.02 | liable | host`: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 first hit from google.. |
| 04:53.09 | lildude | mobo died liable |
| 04:53.12 | host` | music and videos on 320 gigs |
| 04:53.14 | metaperl | 4096 blocks = 4 megabytes? RiverRat? |
| 04:53.20 | biolog | 320gb od mp3 might last for a hole ear off continuos listning |
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| 04:53.26 | liable | lildude: bugger.. |
| 04:53.30 | host` | dag, I didn't even search of the headers on google, I just searched for ndiswrapper |
| 04:53.40 | mwilson | It's always amazing that people come right out in a public forum and ask you how to be a better pirate. |
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| 04:53.42 | lildude | it was bugger |
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| 04:54.05 | RiverRat | metaperl: Isn't that the largest option of the three suggested? If you are going to have mostly monster files then that should be right. |
| 04:54.06 | lilo | arrrr |
| 04:54.11 | biolog | pirate ? |
| 04:54.13 | lilo | it be very unsubtle o' them |
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| 04:54.14 | metaperl | RiverRat: yes that's right. thanks |
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| 04:54.35 | RiverRat | metaperl: And I think it should be 4 blocks or 4096 bytes instead. |
| 04:54.40 | biolog | any pirtes in here ? raise your hands so i can hand cof cof you |
| 04:54.45 | liable | lildude: they ripped you off with the router? |
| 04:54.45 | metaperl | ah |
| 04:54.54 | lildude | yes |
| 04:54.58 | lildude | read mail? |
| 04:55.06 | liable | yeah |
| 04:55.29 | steve | be back in a few. gonna reboot |
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| 04:55.52 | host` | shouldn't headers be more than 264 kB? |
| 04:56.08 | lildude | laible reply to my mail |
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| 04:56.35 | us | What's the real world state of the "testing" pool today? Can I get newer packages with decent testing and the new security updates regularly or is it sometimes in a transition (non-working together) state? |
| 04:57.34 | biolog | debian sucks |
| 04:57.58 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-headers-2.6.11-1' returned no results. |
| 04:58.02 | liable | us: generally it isnt to bad, but occasionally it is, lately it has, but that should settle down. |
| 04:58.03 | mwilson | biolog: Thank you for your opinion. |
| 04:58.06 | Gnea | biolog: so do you, get on your knees. |
| 04:58.08 | rking | !beer biolog |
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| 04:58.19 | rking | (needs mellowing) |
| 04:58.27 | Gnea | agreed :) |
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| 04:58.31 | Gnea | !beer biolog |
| 04:58.37 | liable | haha |
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| 04:59.05 | host` | last question hopefulle, how do I dpkg a file and it's dependencies at the same time? |
| 04:59.11 | host` | hopefully* |
| 04:59.16 | liable | you dont.. |
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| 04:59.50 | host` | what if a file had dependencies though? |
| 04:59.54 | host` | has |
| 05:00.13 | bob2 | host`: by "file", do you mean "Debian package"? |
| 05:00.17 | host` | yes |
| 05:00.31 | bob2 | you don't, that's what apt is for |
| 05:00.36 | host` | can I add a folder to my packages.list? |
| 05:00.39 | liable | you install them too, first.. then there dependancies. then theres, and then you install your package.. :P |
| 05:01.12 | Gnea | bleh.. |
| 05:01.16 | host` | huh? |
| 05:01.19 | tcsetattr | dpkg can't auto-download dependencies, and apt-get can't install a deb directly from the cwd. it'd be nice of something could do both... |
| 05:01.39 | bob2 | you could modify apt to do so |
| 05:01.39 | caphuso | tcsetattr: dpkg -i foo.deb followed by apt-get -f install |
| 05:01.46 | Gnea | is there a way, in wine, to switch windows? alt-tab is snagged by the window manager and grabbing the focus is seemingly impossible.. |
| 05:01.59 | host` | I can't app-get caphuso |
| 05:02.02 | tcsetattr | heh |
| 05:02.16 | host` | oh... -f |
| 05:02.20 | host` | nvm |
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| 05:02.37 | bob2 | Gnea: you can get wine to make each windows window be managed by the wm |
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| 05:03.03 | Gnea | bob2: that'd be great, uhm... *checking manual again* |
| 05:03.04 | host` | caphuso: so that would show dpkg where the files are that are needed to install the new file? |
| 05:03.13 | host` | no... |
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| 05:03.14 | caphuso | host`: no |
| 05:03.30 | bob2 | host`: just make an apt source already |
| 05:03.31 | f0rt3hm3h | what sould i do when i get a "pivot_root: No such file or directory" error when booting ? |
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| 05:03.36 | host` | nvm, that wasn't me you were talking to |
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| 05:04.02 | us | OK, Debian is great. If it weren't for debian..etc.. Excuse me if this sounds negitive but if "stable" is for servers and "testing" is overall broken, where does a desktop workstation newbie? |
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| 05:04.16 | lildude | how to i put clock on kde desk top |
| 05:04.21 | f0rt3hm3h | what sould i do when i get a "pivot_root: No such file or directory" error when booting ? |
| 05:04.27 | host` | bob2, how would I make an apt source? |
| 05:04.30 | bob2 | us: testing isn't overall broken |
| 05:04.46 | bob2 | host`: apt-ftparchive packages ./ > ./Packages |
| 05:04.47 | tcsetattr | get over your addication to living on the bleeding edge and just use stable. |
| 05:04.55 | bob2 | f0rt3hm3h: usually a kernel misconfiguration |
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| 05:05.26 | f0rt3hm3h | bob2: can you tell me what might be misconfigurated? |
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| 05:05.41 | bob2 | f0rt3hm3h: you installing a Debian kernel would be less hassle |
| 05:05.51 | bob2 | f0rt3hm3h: I'd guess a missing/broken initrd |
| 05:06.09 | host` | bob2, that's adding a directory as an apt source? |
| 05:06.14 | f0rt3hm3h | bob2:ok, thanks |
| 05:06.30 | bob2 | host`: no, that's creating the apt source |
| 05:06.37 | bob2 | host`: then you configure apt to know about it, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:06.42 | bob2 | host`: what on earth are you doing, tho? |
| 05:06.54 | host` | trying to get online |
| 05:07.07 | us | tcsetattr, OK so what about Firefox. Am I suposed to run known expliotabilities? Seriously, how do you guys ride out these things (other than beer?). I love and prefer debian, don't get me weong. |
| 05:07.16 | host` | I should pastebin the error I get when trying to install ndiswrapper |
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| 05:07.55 | lildude | how do i chage time to non army time |
| 05:08.13 | bob2 | us: er |
| 05:08.20 | bob2 | us: stable gets security fixes for firefox |
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| 05:08.23 | host` | bob2, that command apt-ftparchine would require me being onine right? |
| 05:08.25 | metaperl | I'm going with a journalling filesystem to reduce fsck time on such a large disk... reiserfs looks best but I might settle for ext3 |
| 05:09.31 | host` | well, I guess now, since there is the "./" |
| 05:09.37 | host` | not* |
| 05:09.39 | stew | lildude: where are you seeing the time in 24 hour format? |
| 05:09.45 | host` | I need to look at the screen more as I type |
| 05:10.07 | bob2 | host`: no |
| 05:10.24 | bob2 | metaperl: reiser's recovery tools are pretty shit |
| 05:10.38 | host` | it makes my surrent directory an apt source? |
| 05:10.48 | amphi | rebuildtree worked for me the one time I had to use it |
| 05:10.51 | host` | so then I just add that directory to sources.list? |
| 05:10.59 | bob2 | host`: yes, with the correct format |
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| 05:11.25 | host` | which I don't know |
| 05:11.56 | bob2 | look at the file |
| 05:11.58 | bob2 | and guess |
| 05:12.03 | bob2 | hint: they're normal urls |
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| 05:12.07 | host` | I know it's free |
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| 05:12.36 | bob2 | what? |
| 05:12.39 | us | bob2, er, wise, Bud (strike that, reverse it.) OK cool, is that the same as Firefox v1.0.7? Don't you feel moss growing whilst sticking with "stable"? Else is there a tipical recomended way of mixing and matching stuff you need without creating a nightmare? |
| 05:12.39 | host` | what? |
| 05:12.54 | bob2 | us: firefox 1.0.7 exists? |
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| 05:13.11 | us | bob2 almost, :) |
| 05:13.17 | host` | you say correct format, apt-get looks at all the stuff after the url's too, like crontrib, main dah dah dah |
| 05:13.22 | guk | Hey ... im redoing my system for raid and was wondering where does debian put my ssh key (the one that makes me ... me) I want to simply back this up so people don't have to re-authenticate me when im done my install |
| 05:13.26 | bob2 | us: if it has security fixes, it will probably be updated in stable |
| 05:13.34 | bob2 | host`: so, stop talking and actually look at the file |
| 05:13.45 | bob2 | host`: come back in a couple of minutes and tell us what you think each line means |
| 05:13.46 | host` | alright |
| 05:13.51 | rking | guk: should be in ~/.ssh or ~/.ssh2, right? i mean, it's just a user setting |
| 05:14.05 | bob2 | guk: for people logging in? /etc/ssh/. |
| 05:14.07 | us | Wait, is seems like theh tesing version is only 1.0.4. What am I missunderstanding? |
| 05:14.30 | guk | bob2: yeah ... excellent ... thank you just making sure :) |
| 05:14.43 | tcsetattr | security fixes do not ONLY occur with the newest bleeding-edge version numbers! |
| 05:14.47 | host` | bbl |
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| 05:15.02 | valdyn | !info mozilla-firefox testing |
| 05:15.10 | guk | bob2: so I can just copy the entire /etc/ssh dir to my new system and it will work ? |
| 05:15.13 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2sarge3 (etch), Packaged size: 8681 kB, Installed size: 24392 kB |
| 05:15.15 | bob2 | guk: yes |
| 05:15.20 | guk | bob2: cool thanks |
| 05:15.42 | steve | ok Nvidia is in the process of setting up. how do i determine what the bus ID is for the video card? |
| 05:15.58 | bob2 | us: looks like it hasn't been updated in testing-security yet |
| 05:15.58 | us | tcsetattr, Are you sure one can use an old version with updates and be as safe as the new version? |
| 05:16.04 | tcsetattr | heh, who wrote that something based on Mozilla is "lightweight"? Was that description changed on April 1? |
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| 05:16.50 | bob2 | firefox and mozilla are sadly special cases |
| 05:16.57 | caphuso | tcsetattr: marketing speech. ignore it |
| 05:17.04 | bob2 | the developer's don't actually provide security patches, so they have to upgrade the entire version |
| 05:17.27 | bob2 | us: normally stable versions don't changes, they just get security fixes added to them |
| 05:18.12 | valdyn | us: iirc that version in testing is basically 1.0.6, just that debian cannot up version numbers in sarge/stable |
| 05:18.23 | bob2 | that's not the case |
| 05:18.45 | tcsetattr | read the changelog.Debian if you want to know what's really in there. |
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| 05:19.46 | debian_newbie88 | hello all I come back again with xchat |
| 05:20.17 | us | So if I have this right (sorry I'm really tring), we basically choose an old unsecure version that is know to work with everything else "stable", else pull out the latest release (special case with Firefox), enjoy security but it may not play well with Debian, right? |
| 05:20.59 | valdyn | us: no, that firefox in debian isnt 1.0.4, its 1.0.4 *with* security patches |
| 05:21.39 | bob2 | firefox is fucked |
| 05:21.40 | bob2 | bleh |
| 05:22.06 | tcsetattr | most of us choose to trust the Debian security team to get stable security updates right, and don't pay attention to such miniscule details as patchlevel numbers. |
| 05:22.30 | us | valdyn, Ok yes and that's very good but if I really want the new version it's just not approved to work with stable, with stability. Whew! |
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| 05:22.33 | bob2 | except the firefox security update in stable probably broke all the extensions in stable |
| 05:22.42 | tcsetattr | knowing the precise version number of Mozilla you're using, to 3 significant digits or more, is just an obsessive personality trait :) |
| 05:22.48 | us | tcsetattr, That good news. |
| 05:22.50 | bob2 | us: I'd probably just install firefox from mozilla.org to /usr/local/, myself |
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| 05:23.10 | tcsetattr | but really I don't use Mozilla, so I don't care. |
| 05:23.17 | valdyn | us: generally speaking, yea |
| 05:23.25 | jm_ | bob2: it hasn't broke anything for me |
| 05:23.39 | bob2 | jm_: do you have any extensions from within debian installed? |
| 05:23.49 | us | bob2 OK then if it works you're good to go and if not you can get debians right? That's workable. |
| 05:24.03 | jm_ | bob2: no, just those from external sources |
| 05:24.58 | valdyn | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 05:25.03 | bob2 | us: it will work for the forseeable future |
| 05:25.06 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
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| 05:25.19 | aum | hi - how do i mount a usb flash stick? just bought one, got kernel 2.6.12, can see the usb stick on /proc/bus/usb/devices /proc/scsi/usb-storage/1 |
| 05:25.35 | valdyn | hmm, dpkg doesnt know security updates? |
| 05:25.41 | Gnea | but what about /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 05:25.48 | jm_ | try usbmount if you can't figure it out on your own |
| 05:25.58 | us | bob2, would that be about the same as pulling Firefox from Sid AKA getting SOME better approval with Debian (meaning the besxt steap for mozilla.org to /usr/local? |
| 05:26.02 | jm_ | valdyn: it never did AFAIK |
| 05:26.11 | aum | got it in /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 05:26.13 | valdyn | jm_: i see, thanks |
| 05:26.20 | jm_ | no, getting it from sid won't work on Sarge |
| 05:26.41 | Gnea | aum: you should get a device out of dmesg then |
| 05:27.15 | aum | nothing in dmesg |
| 05:27.29 | valdyn | aum: custom kernel? |
| 05:27.43 | bob2 | us: getting the binaries from sid will require upgrading large gobs of your system to sid |
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| 05:27.59 | bob2 | us: rebuilding the source will be kinda tedious, too |
| 05:29.24 | bob2 | but would work |
| 05:29.29 | bob2 | I'm lazy so I wouldn't bother |
| 05:29.41 | tcsetattr | aum, see /proc/partitions |
| 05:30.07 | us | Oh, good point bout Sid and the gobs. So, apt-list bugs wiggin' out when I try to upgrade to Etch (testing) is because "testing" is currently not ready for prome time? I thought only Sid broke like that and only during transition. What changing currently with testing? |
| 05:30.54 | bob2 | lots of things have longstanding but non-critical bugs |
| 05:30.56 | valdyn | us: everything has bugs, apt-listbugs just lists new ones. Even for sarge that could be "scary" |
| 05:30.59 | kadigibox | If I make a package with Java SDK would I also need to make one for JRE? |
| 05:31.04 | bob2 | if you look at dpkg's bug lit, you'll be too scared to use Debian at all |
| 05:31.13 | debian_newbie88 | what different apt-get and dpkg ? |
| 05:31.28 | bob2 | debian_newbie88: dpkg is a low-level tool to install single packages |
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| 05:31.46 | bob2 | debian_newbie88: apt-get is a mid-level tool for calculating how to install packages and their dependencies |
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| 05:32.09 | Phr0zenKore_ | alright, how do i network Linux PC's over the router? |
| 05:32.24 | valdyn | Phr0zenKore_: read the faq |
| 05:32.37 | ke6isf | my mouse scroll wheel works. It didn't before. I changed nothing. =O.o= |
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| 05:33.03 | vortek | lol |
| 05:33.13 | ke6isf | Wow. That's almost a haiku. |
| 05:33.50 | amphi | ke6isf: ;) |
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| 05:33.53 | Jeffro | whats the manual for alsa? |
| 05:34.06 | Jeffro | or the configure command? |
| 05:34.29 | Jeffro | anyone? |
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| 05:34.42 | valdyn | Jeffro: read the faq? |
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| 05:34.51 | Jeffro | where is hat? |
| 05:34.53 | Jeffro | that |
| 05:34.57 | amphi | Jeffro: alsaconf? |
| 05:35.00 | Jeffro | yeah |
| 05:35.02 | Jeffro | that was it |
| 05:35.04 | Jeffro | thanks |
| 05:35.04 | valdyn | !topicsmite Jeffro |
| 05:35.06 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Jeffro. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:35.20 | metaperl | lol |
| 05:35.20 | Jeffro | I READ IT |
| 05:35.26 | Jeffro | -.-\ |
| 05:35.36 | us | I think I understand SId is in transition as they build the new KDE and xorg etc. Yet, why is "testing" a mess? |
| 05:35.47 | metaperl | !topicsmite metaperl |
| 05:35.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon metaperl. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 05:35.49 | valdyn | us: is it a mess? |
| 05:36.03 | ke6isf | !tell metaperl -about msg the bot |
| 05:36.06 | amphi | !pal metaperl |
| 05:36.21 | ke6isf | We need a 'botsmite'. |
| 05:36.31 | us | valdyn, Well for me because I can't pin to it and use it without multiple critical errors. |
| 05:36.34 | takatumi | !smitemite ke6isf |
| 05:36.43 | takatumi | bah |
| 05:36.49 | Phr0zenKore_ | valdyn: .... hrm.. can't find it in that FAQ |
| 05:37.02 | streuner | takatumi: /msg dpkg listkeys smite |
| 05:37.05 | valdyn | !wikifaq Phr0zenKore_ UseSound |
| 05:37.09 | dpkg | Phr0zenKore_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSound or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 05:37.18 | valdyn | !wikifaq Phr0zenKore_ UseNetwork |
| 05:37.19 | dpkg | Phr0zenKore_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseNetwork or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 05:37.25 | Jeffro | i cant install my sound |
| 05:37.25 | valdyn | Phr0zenKore_: ops, ignore the first one |
| 05:37.26 | takatumi | streuner: it's smitesmite, nm now. :) |
| 05:37.37 | ke6isf | takatumi: I don't think there's a 'smitesmite' either. |
| 05:37.49 | ke6isf | !smitesmite takatumi |
| 05:37.56 | ke6isf | ...or maybe there is. |
| 05:38.18 | Jeffro | ok |
| 05:38.30 | valdyn | Phr0zenKore_: skip the blacklisting part in that faq |
| 05:38.54 | Jeffro | should i use oss for soundblaster 16? |
| 05:39.27 | us | bob2, all, If I set all for "stable" will some of my packages be downgraded? Should I reinstall? |
| 05:39.36 | Phr0zenKore_ | Create this page |
| 05:39.38 | Phr0zenKore_ | the page's not there |
| 05:39.48 | vortek | lol |
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| 05:40.10 | valdyn | Phr0zenKore_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage |
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| 05:40.32 | valdyn | Phr0zenKore_: yea, sorry, above one exists |
| 05:40.34 | us | ...and I thought apt-list bugs only did critical ones. Am I wrong? CAn it be set that way? |
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| 05:40.55 | Cashel | holy bejezus thats a lot of nicks |
| 05:40.56 | valdyn | us: lists new ones by default; dont know |
| 05:41.17 | Manoj` | us, well, downgrades are always tricky |
| 05:41.20 | ke6isf | Cashel: 619 users? That's actually on the slow side. There've been nights of 700+ before the spambot invasion. |
| 05:41.25 | Phr0zenKore_ | thnx valdyn ^^ |
| 05:41.32 | Cashel | heh damn |
| 05:41.58 | Phr0zenKore_ | no i don't mean internet, i mean local network |
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| 05:42.04 | Phr0zenKore_ | like.. linking pc's together |
| 05:42.10 | Phr0zenKore_ | with nfs or something like that.. |
| 05:42.47 | Phr0zenKore_ | i wanna link the filesystem of my server with my personal pc |
| 05:43.06 | valdyn | Phr0zenKore_: the internet is just a large version of your local network. So are your 2 boxes networked already? |
| 05:43.12 | us | OK, am really asking real deal views here. How stable is "stable" apt-get upgrade(d)? |
| 05:43.21 | Phr0zenKore_ | valdyn: i want to link the filesystems together.. |
| 05:43.33 | Phr0zenKore_ | valdyn: we are on the internet |
| 05:43.34 | valdyn | !nfs |
| 05:43.34 | dpkg | it has been said that nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 05:43.50 | Phr0zenKore_ | O_O |
| 05:44.02 | Phr0zenKore_ | !ssh tunneled nfs |
| 05:44.03 | dpkg | hmm... ssh tunneled nfs is http://www.samag.com/documents/s=4072/sam0203d/sam0203d.htm |
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| 05:44.36 | us | Manoj, ..cause of dependancies? What's the problem with downgrades? |
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| 05:45.09 | Phr0zenKore_ | valdyn: is there a safer version of that? |
| 05:45.25 | valdyn | Phr0zenKore_: no one cares how safe it is if you use it only locally i guess |
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| 05:46.04 | Phr0zenKore_ | myeah.. |
| 05:46.07 | Phr0zenKore_ | true.. |
| 05:46.11 | valdyn | Phr0zenKore_: for the internet, just use something else, like ssh ( man scp ) |
| 05:46.13 | Phr0zenKore_ | is it available in apt-get? |
| 05:46.32 | Phr0zenKore_ | i was on a club, DJO, and they had NFS there |
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| 05:46.36 | Phr0zenKore_ | and i liked it |
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| 05:47.06 | justin420 | hi, anybody able to help with the removing the files installed by the ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run? |
| 05:47.11 | Manoj` | us, well, downgrade paths are usually not tested, and sometimes it is impossible to support a smooth upgrade _and_ a smooth downgrade |
| 05:47.13 | pabs3 | anyone have any idea why courier-imap-ssl is only listening on IPv6, and not on IPv4 interfaces? |
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| 05:47.33 | valdyn | Phr0zenKore_: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server for one |
| 05:47.40 | Manoj` | us, downgrade issues are not even seen as bugs |
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| 05:48.51 | liable | justin420: #ati? |
| 05:48.59 | chickboiec | i need help |
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| 05:49.24 | justin420 | liable:tried like for 2 days, and nobody would say anything...even emailed ati customer care |
| 05:49.26 | chickboiec | im using ubuntu right now but i dnt know how can i install yahoo messenger |
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| 05:49.36 | Cashel | justin420: Whats your problem? |
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| 05:49.53 | chickboiec | how can i install yahoo msg? |
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| 05:50.03 | mwilson | Read the instructions? |
| 05:50.04 | liable | chickboiec: ask in #ubuntu |
| 05:50.10 | mwilson | Nah, you'd never want to do that. |
| 05:50.22 | liable | course not.. |
| 05:50.51 | liable | hah |
| 05:51.36 | us | chickboiec, Just use Gaim, you'll like it. (and you prob don't want to admit using deb based in hear but that can cause problems too so at least you're honest :0) |
| 05:51.56 | debian_newbie88 | Amessenger : Use for MSN Messenger |
| 05:52.17 | justin420 | Cashel: after running the ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run following every step on http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.14.13-inst.html#176980; i ran the fglrxconfig or whatever its name is, and I restarted, and it wouldnt even start the x-server, luckly I copied my xfree86.conf file just incase things didnt work.... which they didnt. |
| 05:52.22 | debian_newbie88 | AMSN is good software for use msn messenger. |
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| 05:52.56 | Eclipser | us, eh, someone liking Gaim? that's a joke |
| 05:52.58 | us | I use XP and I want to know how to make it secure? LOL |
| 05:53.03 | Eclipser | gaim is _awful_ |
| 05:53.17 | Cashel | justin420: so after making me wait, you've told me nothing... whats your /var/log/Xorg.0.log have to say about it? Put it and your xorg.conf on pastebin.com or the like and send me the link I'll take a look... |
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| 05:53.32 | brx | gaim rocks. |
| 05:53.41 | brx | actually, gajim is better |
| 05:53.58 | Eclipser | if only there was a linux version of miranda |
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| 05:54.20 | Eclipser | but thank god I only use ICQ so gnomeicu (which is very good) works :) |
| 05:54.26 | sgeigerbot | karsten: psst. |
| 05:54.39 | us | Eclipser, There's always Kopete. |
| 05:54.50 | Eclipser | sounds like kde app |
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| 05:55.00 | Cashel | bitlbee is nifty if you use im'ers |
| 05:55.09 | debian_newbie88 | Gaim can use msn messenger? |
| 05:55.14 | Eclipser | us, ok, that's even more awful :p |
| 05:55.23 | justin420 | Cashel:dont have a /var/log/Xorg.0.log, hope thats something |
| 05:55.27 | streuner_ | debian_newbie88: yes, IIRC |
| 05:55.39 | sgeigerbot | Cashel: I started playing with it. I couldn't get it going. If you have a factoid to throw my way about getting up and running, i'd be interested. |
| 05:55.40 | streuner_ | debian_newbie88: check out gaim.sf.net FAQ |
| 05:55.43 | Cashel | justin420: you using xorg or xfree86?? Just assumed xorg :P |
| 05:55.46 | us | Eclipser, How Kan you Ktel? |
| 05:55.50 | sgeigerbot | debian_newbie88: yes, it can. |
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| 05:56.04 | debian_newbie88 | http://gaim.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php |
| 05:56.05 | justin420 | xfree86, just left alone what the debian installer installed for me |
| 05:56.05 | sgeigerbot | debian_newbie88: The protocol of MSN IM, yes. |
| 05:56.13 | Cashel | sgeigerbot: sorry dont use it myself, just tried it once... hate IMings personaly :) |
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| 05:56.25 | sgeigerbot | Cashel: gaim isn't bad. |
| 05:56.28 | debian_newbie88 | wow ok I uninstall amsn and install gaim. |
| 05:56.30 | debian_newbie88 | 555+ |
| 05:56.43 | _chris_ | what command would I run to recreate the cache of installed debs if I ran an apt-get clean? |
| 05:57.44 | _chris_ | it'd be pretty darn helpful. |
| 05:57.57 | us | i use Gaim set for Yahoo mail and it pops up as mail comes in. Better ideas? |
| 05:58.09 | _chris_ | the farkwad doing the apt-proxy backend for my university's installfest farked off today and it starts in 9 hours.. |
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| 05:58.18 | tcsetattr | well, first you'd get the installed package list... from dpkg -l... then do an apt-get --download-only install |
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| 05:59.10 | compguymac | anyone in here live in california? |
| 05:59.12 | stew | _chris_: dpkg -l | awk '$1="ii"{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -d |
| 05:59.17 | stew | or something |
| 05:59.19 | us | Salute, thanks. |
| 05:59.25 | stew | apt-get -d install |
| 05:59.25 | justin420 | Cashel: http://channels.debian.net/paste/722 , hope that helps, I am about ready to just say fuck it, and go by a nvida or something |
| 05:59.27 | stew | rather |
| 05:59.37 | _chris_ | so I could go dpkg -l | apt-get -download-only install |
| 06:00.05 | bob2 | _chris_: no |
| 06:00.07 | stew | _chris_: you have to stick my awk thingy in the middle |
| 06:00.13 | stew | and xargs |
| 06:00.16 | tcsetattr | I think you need to do the COLUMNS=1000 thing for your dpkg -l |
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| 06:00.24 | stew | yeah probably |
| 06:00.26 | bob2 | _chris_: and I already gave you the answer in #ubuntu |
| 06:00.32 | stew | doh |
| 06:00.47 | valdyn | not in pipes |
| 06:00.52 | Eclipser | pft |
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| 06:01.16 | Eclipser | my parents shut down my ADSL router again and now they aren't answering the phone so I can't order them to put it back on |
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| 06:01.20 | Eclipser | PFT |
| 06:01.24 | Eclipser | now I can't code |
| 06:01.36 | Thanatermesis | kernels > 2.6.10 needs a reboot after changing partition tables ? |
| 06:01.36 | Cashel | justin420: ok, so you dont have anything in /var/log? ls -al /var/log .. look for something X*.log |
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| 06:02.06 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: no, mounted disks too after changing partition table |
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| 06:02.15 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: no, mounted disks do after changing partition table |
| 06:02.19 | Cashel | justin420: or does the server say something interesting when it fails? |
| 06:02.19 | tcsetattr | if you have any partition mounted while you're editing the partition table of the same disk, the kernel will not see the changes until you unmount all of that disk's partitions and then tell it to reread the table. |
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| 06:02.51 | _chris_ | bob2: thanks I'll try it. I didn't see it because I'm freaking out. This stuff was supposed to be done by a far more technically advanced linux user.. |
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| 06:03.19 | justin420 | Cashel: I thought it might help posting you both xfree86.conf files, I see the xfree86.0.log in /var/log, but i thought what i pasted would be satisfactory.... sorry my bad. I will post the log file for you, thanks for helpin :) |
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| 06:04.09 | Cashel | justin420: no problem... played 9 kinds of hell getting my ATI card to work too, I sympathize :) |
| 06:04.10 | justin420 | Cashel: after running the installer, it says it cant start an x-server upon reboot |
| 06:04.17 | justin420 | word |
| 06:04.24 | compguymac | brb food awaits |
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| 06:05.10 | Cashel | justin420: killall gdm or kdm before starting to mess with this, fyi .... startx is the way to startx when your testing it out (and the rest of the time too imho) |
| 06:05.16 | steve | msg dpkg |
| 06:05.46 | Thanatermesis | sorry valdyn, Im not understand really you.. my real question is, I have a liveCD for install in the hard disk, I modify all disk partition tables with the program to modify partitions... after this I need to reboot the machine for the kernel accept the new partition table or I posible to continue without problems ? |
| 06:06.20 | justin420 | Cashel: I have a xfree86.0.log, a xfree86.20.log, and a xfree86.0.log.old, paste them all or just the xfree86.0.log |
| 06:06.22 | takatumi | sounds knoppixy |
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| 06:06.36 | Gnea | bob2: hey, how can i get wine to draw a window manager border around all of the windows & sub-windows? i just went through the config file and nada... |
| 06:06.37 | mwilson | ewww... why would you ever want to use a liveCD as an install target? |
| 06:06.56 | Thanatermesis | takatumi its only a example |
| 06:07.18 | Cashel | justin420: cat (logfile) | grep EE on all of them, and paste whichever one seems relevent, I have no way of knowing when the last time you tried was... |
| 06:07.35 | Cashel | justin420: join me in #ati, its too noisy in here :) |
| 06:07.41 | bob2 | Gnea: --managed, maybe? I forget, I haven't really used wine in like 5 years |
| 06:07.42 | Cashel | ttyl folks :) |
| 06:07.43 | sgeigerbot | Thanatermesis: most linux installs allow you to partition and then install. Where did you come from? The Windows world? |
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| 06:08.21 | Thanatermesis | ¬¬ |
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| 06:08.57 | Gnea | bob2: that's not it... actually, it looks like lineage2 broke itself |
| 06:09.43 | Thanatermesis | sgeigerbot you know the words "new kernel partition table" ? |
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| 06:11.47 | sgeigerbot | Thanatermesis: I know the letters individually but perhaps not when grouped as those words. |
| 06:12.41 | tcsetattr | I remember when fdisk used to tell you to reboot every time you used it. That was before anybody ever heard of a "Live CD", or even bootable CDs in general :) |
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| 06:14.08 | SimonRaven | you old timer ;) |
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| 06:15.03 | covux | hi. ive a problem with kdeclock. everytime i change my timezone to CEST its back to UTC when i open the config dialog again. thanks for any help |
| 06:15.04 | jm_ | it still tells you that |
| 06:15.17 | Thanatermesis | after any reboot I need to reconfigure alsa, because load the 2º card of audio, how to set this permanently ? |
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| 06:15.48 | tcsetattr | maybe I just stopped paying attention to it |
| 06:16.00 | covux | Thanatermesis: try "alsactl store" as root |
| 06:16.01 | bob2 | covux: #debian-kde, maybe |
| 06:16.02 | foo | I use fluxbox with debian sarge. Anyone know of a good application (GUI or CLI) that can handle/store different wireless networks I connect to? |
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| 06:16.15 | bob2 | the kernel can re-probe partition tables these days |
| 06:16.21 | bob2 | with some magic ioctl or something |
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| 06:16.29 | liable | wpa-supplicant can do that iirc |
| 06:16.38 | jm_ | sure, but that doesn't always work |
| 06:16.45 | bob2 | yeah |
| 06:16.59 | bob2 | foo: laptop-net is a console thing which seems to do that |
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| 06:17.45 | foo | bob2: Thanks, will check it out |
| 06:17.47 | knt | i've only debian on my disk. is it possible to not use a boot loader. namely how can i make my kernel loaded at boot time without use of lilo or grub? is this possible? |
| 06:17.55 | Thanatermesis | Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 06:17.56 | Guerin | knt: no. |
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| 06:18.18 | liable | knt, what if you want another kernel? you still need grub.. |
| 06:18.18 | Guerin | knt: you need a bootloader of some sort - on a floppy disk or something could be doable. Why? |
| 06:18.29 | Thanatermesis | covux aparently this file contains the 2º card parameters, but I like to have the 1º, I have deleted and are re-generated with the 2º card settings |
| 06:18.52 | Guerin | if you just want the bootloader to be invisible, as it is in windows, set the timeout to 0 or 1 |
| 06:19.05 | knt | liable, Guerin: i won't need a second kernel. (it'll be a product) at least at the moment. |
| 06:19.14 | SimonRaven | covux: you can select which TZ you want with a right click on the clock |
| 06:19.28 | foo | bob2: What does this do exactly? And what is the command? I don't see anything, unless I missed something |
| 06:19.33 | SimonRaven | covux: might need to add your TZ |
| 06:19.48 | SimonRaven | the defaults are u.s.-centric ... |
| 06:20.03 | steve | ok, Got Nvidia installed. At least i hope i do. Is there a test of some sort that will allow me to check it? |
| 06:20.47 | jm_ | heh that nick rings a bell, I used covox for sound on my PC when I refused to pay that much for a sound card |
| 06:20.47 | bob2 | foo: I dunno, I haven't used, just heard people talk about it. no docs? |
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| 06:20.47 | covux | SimonRaven: yep i do it so right now. but i would like to have the local timezone set to cest. is it possible? |
| 06:20.47 | SimonRaven | steve: run x? :) |
| 06:20.47 | Guerin | knt: it's possible to change the grub screen sufficiently to disguise the fact it's a bootloader. You could have it boot instantly, for instance, and/or change the text on it to "Fooproduct is now booting..." |
| 06:20.47 | foo | bob2: nah, doesn't seem like anything special. I think I am just going to write my own bash script |
| 06:20.47 | Guerin | foo: to do what? |
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| 06:21.01 | foo | Guerin: Allows me to manually configure different settings for different wireless networks. |
| 06:21.11 | overnout_ | steve: glxgears ? |
| 06:21.13 | liable | foo: pretty sure wpa-supplicant will just look for networks you have in its config and connect to the best signal or something like that.. |
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| 06:21.19 | covux | Thanatermesis: check man of alsactl. you can specify settings of certain cards to be stored. |
| 06:21.24 | SimonRaven | covux: yes, i believe i just told you how. also you can set your TZ in your .bash_profile... e.g., for me, i would add TZ=EST5EDT. you it would be different |
| 06:21.44 | foo | liable: hmm |
| 06:21.44 | foo | ok |
| 06:21.46 | Guerin | foo: http://feayn.org/~lewis/ethup # might be a start |
| 06:21.52 | knt | i've a minimal debian fork (about 12 megs) installed on an harddisk. what's the possibly ways to write to its MBR? (I've tried LILO but it halts with "L 99" error, despite trying tons of combinations in lilo.conf with "compat, compact, lba32, linear, disk=..." and etc.) |
| 06:21.54 | SimonRaven | like "export TZ=FOOBAR" |
| 06:22.00 | foo | Guerin: thanks. I've actually already written one but lost it |
| 06:22.07 | foo | Had to reformat, forgot to back it up |
| 06:22.36 | SimonRaven | you can have the system time on UTC, but have your user's time on whatever you want. thanks mobyturbo :) |
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| 06:24.15 | mylanta | loop-aes-source debian readme has instruction for building a loop.ko module |
| 06:24.25 | tcsetattr | knt, try some more combinations :) are you trying to install LILO on a disk that the BIOS doesn't know about? |
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| 06:25.04 | mylanta | the output says the module is processed fine, however no module is produced |
| 06:25.27 | covux | SimonRaven: thanks but that still doesnt solve my problem set the settings i do in config dialog of kdeclock arent saved. i set timezone to europe/berlin CEST reopen the dialog and its back to UTC. |
| 06:25.37 | covux | set=that |
| 06:25.44 | jm_ | so don't use the Krap tools |
| 06:25.57 | steve | test failed |
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| 06:26.20 | empty_mind | is there a channel for debain security ? |
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| 06:26.36 | debian_newbie88 | If I want config web-server I must config DNS too? |
| 06:26.37 | jm_ | empty: #debain might know about it |
| 06:26.42 | Guerin | empty_mind: this one is for debian security |
| 06:26.49 | Guerin | debian_newbie88: no. |
| 06:26.58 | pressure_man_ | i am upgrading my pentium4 system to an amd64 today. can the amd64 cpus run an i686 kernel ok? (for a while) |
| 06:26.59 | knt | tcsetattr: tcflush(fd, TCOFLUSH); i'm connecting disk to my office machine and editing lilo for /dev/hdb (remote disk) instead of /dev/hda (current working machine). (furthermore, kernels under /boot/mykern.img exists on both disks with same path.) then running lilo command. |
| 06:27.02 | SimonRaven | *sigh*. this isn't difficult. you select it via the fricking menu |
| 06:27.16 | empty_mind | Guerin, then how can i contribute to debian security project |
| 06:27.17 | Guerin | panthera: no, 386 |
| 06:27.22 | SimonRaven | jm_: hehe |
| 06:27.51 | Rhinoz | if I accidently uninstalled mysql the database itself is still there right |
| 06:27.51 | Guerin | empty_mind: you can become a debian developer, or you can participate on the debian mailing lists, or you can submit bugreports and patches to the BTS |
| 06:27.52 | pressure_man_ | Guerin: was that directed at me? |
| 06:28.00 | tcsetattr | knt: you need to tell LILO that when it boots, the disk will be the master. It assumes that since it's currently the slave, it'll still be the slave. Try adding disk=/dev/hdb\nbios=0x80 |
| 06:28.00 | Guerin | pressure_man_: yes, sorry |
| 06:28.05 | Guerin | panthera: sorry |
| 06:28.21 | jm_ | Rhinoz: it depends how you configured it when you installed it |
| 06:28.31 | tcsetattr | knt, maybe I read you backwards... anyway, I think bios= is what you need |
| 06:28.32 | debian_newbie88 | how to check software version on debian? |
| 06:28.32 | empty_mind | Guerin, i joined debain security audit mailing list but have nto received a single mail on it |
| 06:28.35 | SimonRaven | Rhinoz: depends if you selected to purge the db at installation, and if you --purged. |
| 06:28.35 | Rhinoz | umm debian configured it |
| 06:28.47 | Tedd | um, hello! I'm a relatively new Linux user, and an even more new IRC user. :) |
| 06:28.49 | Tedd | I'm slowly setting up a small home network, and I want to know what is the best way to set up partitions for each computer. |
| 06:28.50 | Tedd | On this particular one, I have a 40GB and a 20GB, on master and slave respectively. I already have a /home partition on the secondary, and want to use the current contents once i install Sarge on master. Currently, i'm thinking /boot -- 64MB, / -- Whatever's left over (something like 39.4GB) , swap -- 510MB, /tmp -- 1GB. |
| 06:28.52 | Tedd | Another question right now would be, is that too much for /tmp to be 1GB? |
| 06:28.54 | debian_newbie88 | such as apache. |
| 06:28.54 | Tedd | Thanks in advance |
| 06:28.59 | pressure_man_ | ok, second question, what is the effect of running the amd64 kernel on an i386 debian install? i'm lazy and don't have time right now to install from the amd64 tree |
| 06:29.02 | jm_ | no Debian asked you what to do with it |
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| 06:29.29 | Guerin | pressure_man_: it'll run fine. |
| 06:29.35 | Guerin | pressure_man_: it jsut won't be 64 bit |
| 06:29.36 | pressure_man_ | cool... thanks for your help |
| 06:29.51 | pressure_man_ | will save the full amd64 install for a rainy day |
| 06:29.52 | k-man_ | how do i make a rule in make that is considered always out of date so it always runs it when you run make |
| 06:29.53 | k-man_ | ? |
| 06:29.58 | knt | tcsetattr: let me try. thanks so much. |
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| 06:30.02 | Rhinoz | I did apt-get uninstall perl-base and it removed mysql |
| 06:30.07 | Guerin | debian_newbie88: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 06:30.09 | jm_ | k-man: read about phony targets in info make |
| 06:30.13 | debian_newbie88 | thanks |
| 06:30.15 | Guerin | Rhinoz: never uninstall perl-base |
| 06:30.19 | Guerin | Rhinoz: EVER |
| 06:30.25 | tcsetattr | k-man_: mark the target as a .PHONY (.PHONY: foo) |
| 06:30.26 | Guerin | Rhinoz: why would you? |
| 06:30.26 | k-man_ | jm_, thanks |
| 06:30.28 | SimonRaven | uh |
| 06:30.40 | Guerin | it shouldn't even have let you |
| 06:30.45 | SimonRaven | you just borked dpkg and debconf.... |
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| 06:30.53 | Rhinoz | Guerin because I accidently upgraded to unstable |
| 06:31.05 | jm_ | some accident that was |
| 06:31.05 | Guerin | Rhinoz: how do you ACCIDENTALLY do that? |
| 06:31.16 | k-man_ | tcsetattr, instead of foo.o: foo.c? |
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| 06:31.21 | mylanta | empy_mind would your interests include disk encryption, I need help :) |
| 06:31.26 | SimonRaven | pay better attention next time. that's going to be hard to fix, if at all |
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| 06:31.33 | Rhinoz | I didn't realise that my sources.list were all set to unstable |
| 06:31.34 | Guerin | it's like saying "I accidentally stole a truck full of chickens and burned donuts on the whitehouse lawn" |
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| 06:31.44 | Guerin | it wasn't my fault, mr. secret service dude |
| 06:31.59 | Guerin | the chhickens |
| 06:32.02 | Guerin | they caaaled me |
| 06:32.08 | Guerin | Rhinoz: reinstall |
| 06:32.13 | steve | ok , i think i know what is wrong. how do i find out what the bus id is for video card. I didn't enter that info when i reconfigured. |
| 06:32.17 | mwilson | "Didn't realize"? How would they have gotten that way in the first place? |
| 06:32.24 | Rhinoz | well at any rate its uninstalled so I am reinstalling perl-base and everythingelse |
| 06:32.27 | Guerin | mwilson: the chickens did it |
| 06:32.31 | mwilson | steve: Unless you're not using i386, you don't have to. |
| 06:32.34 | liable | steve: you dont need too, unless you got two. |
| 06:32.34 | Guerin | Rhinoz: if you can. |
| 06:32.52 | Rhinoz | why wouldn't I be able to? |
| 06:33.06 | Guerin | Rhinoz: because dpkg, apt and debconf depennd on perl-base to run |
| 06:33.12 | SimonRaven | steve: doesn't matter unless you have more than one video device |
| 06:33.27 | mwilson | SimonRaven: Or are on non-i386. |
| 06:33.40 | steve | hmm, ok. |
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| 06:33.48 | SimonRaven | that's bs that you have to add the video device for non-x86 |
| 06:34.00 | SimonRaven | i've never added it unless i needed to |
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| 06:35.09 | mwilson | <shrug> Talk to Overfiend, he's the one that said it. I don't run X on non-i386. |
| 06:35.27 | Azar | a friend would like to try his luck with Debian, what would be the ideal hardware for Sarge as of today? I mean video/sound wise ... |
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| 06:35.30 | SimonRaven | i do *grin* |
| 06:35.52 | jm_ | I know I didn't need it on HP either |
| 06:36.03 | Guerin | Azar: modern, but not too modern, nvidia graphics card and a sblive |
| 06:36.19 | Azar | thanks Guerin |
| 06:36.21 | Guerin | Azar: no cheap tricks like onboard RAID |
| 06:36.48 | Azar | Guerin, yes onboard chips are really tricky |
| 06:37.00 | liable | its surprisingly hard to find a new non raid mobo these days. |
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| 06:37.19 | Guerin | Azar: make sure you check the sata is supported as wel, if he goes for sata |
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| 06:37.24 | Azar | liable, newegg offers good stuff usually |
| 06:37.26 | Guerin | which i suppose he might as well |
| 06:37.41 | SimonRaven | it may have been relevant when it was first written, but i think it's useless now, and should be re-written. i'm not even sure it really was. i ran x 3.3.6 on potato, and tested it then, and never had to add it |
| 06:37.48 | Azar | Guerin, indeed there is some love in the air with sata lately.. |
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| 06:38.16 | liable | except the poxy connectors.. |
| 06:38.48 | Azar | it will be harder to get good mobos and kits that will accomodate Debian in the near future... hardware development goes too fast |
| 06:38.59 | jm_ | Azar: that's bollocks |
| 06:39.04 | Guerin | not really |
| 06:39.15 | SimonRaven | bull. it's kernel dependent, not distro dependent |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | debian uses mmainline linux, which changes easily as fast as hardware |
| 06:39.27 | Azar | jm_ this is what I pick between the lines in the several tech news |
| 06:39.40 | jm_ | Azar: ahh the experts's opinion |
| 06:39.45 | Guerin | Azar: reading tech news is bad for your brain |
| 06:39.48 | karl | can I read in proc or somewhere else the cpu or motherboard or bios serial number |
| 06:39.50 | Guerin | no |
| 06:39.53 | Guerin | reading it is ok |
| 06:39.54 | SimonRaven | well you're reading fud then. |
| 06:39.58 | Azar | speaking of which, how long will Sarge keep the max linux version at 2.6.8 ? |
| 06:39.59 | Guerin | believing it is another thing |
| 06:40.05 | jm_ | forever |
| 06:40.08 | SimonRaven | Azar: it gets patched.. |
| 06:40.09 | Guerin | Azar: sarge will never change, it's stable. |
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| 06:40.21 | ke6isf | !slashdotsmite Guerin |
| 06:40.22 | dpkg | 1. Pour hot grits down Guerin's pants. 2. ??? 3. Profit! |
| 06:40.27 | Azar | :) |
| 06:40.30 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 06:40.30 | Guerin | ke6isf: omglol |
| 06:40.50 | Guerin | anyone tasted Brahma beer, from Brasil? |
| 06:40.50 | steve | when i ran "glxgears" I got 2 errors. 1st one: xlib: extension "glx" missing on display " :0.0" . |
| 06:40.56 | ke6isf | Guerin: Now that was unexpected. There must be more foosmites than there are ways to leave your lover. |
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| 06:41.11 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 06:41.13 | jm_ | steve: you may have failed to load GL module |
| 06:41.15 | Guerin | steve: you're not using an opengl-worthy X driver. |
| 06:41.23 | jm_ | or you're using nv as opposed to nvidia driver |
| 06:41.28 | SimonRaven | 20 000+ factoids leave a lot of room for crap ;) |
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| 06:42.45 | Azar | AMD Athlon is no more would Debian be kind with a Sempron ? |
| 06:42.51 | SimonRaven | *ahem* "shits and giggles" ;p |
| 06:43.11 | SimonRaven | Azar: SIGSEGV, parse error |
| 06:43.27 | Guerin | Azar: yes. |
| 06:43.49 | Guerin | Azar: *lon is just a series of 386-compatible chips, they work fine. |
| 06:43.49 | Azar | oh, so I guess the only way would be to find an Athlon from a private sale, e-bay.. |
| 06:43.51 | SimonRaven | oh. duh. must be the fatigue... |
| 06:44.05 | Guerin | Azar: the new amd chips WILL BE FINE |
| 06:44.08 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:44.19 | jm_ | Sempron is rebadged Athlon XP |
| 06:44.25 | Azar | oh that sounds great Guerin :) |
| 06:44.36 | Azar | haha jm_ |
| 06:44.37 | SimonRaven | they all that icky 386 backwards compat |
| 06:44.46 | SimonRaven | have* |
| 06:45.10 | jm_ | Azar: how is that funny? |
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| 06:47.32 | steve | ok , 2nd error then, might help to figure out the first 1. error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
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| 06:50.10 | k-man_ | km_, .PHONY is exactly what I needed. Thanks. |
| 06:50.22 | k-man_ | s/km_/jm_/ |
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| 06:50.57 | jm_ | k-man_: yup, pretty handy |
| 06:52.56 | jm_ | keep in mind that's GNU extension which won't work with other variants of make |
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| 06:54.26 | floppyears | hi |
| 06:54.32 | floppyears | how can I restart php5-cli ? |
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| 06:54.52 | bob2 | there's nothing to restart |
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| 06:55.24 | MustangMatt | floppyears: It's not a service. |
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| 06:56.19 | deadcat | where do i set the ulimits ? |
| 06:56.23 | deadcat | nevermind. |
| 06:56.27 | deadcat | wrong chan (= |
| 06:56.40 | floppyears | MustangMatt: I made some changes to my php.ini file and they haven't taken effect :( |
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| 06:56.51 | Azar | jm_ was just your choice of wording "rebadging" |
| 06:57.04 | deadcat | floppyears: you dont restart taht |
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| 06:57.18 | jm_ | Azar: well relabeled if you want |
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| 06:57.45 | Azar | jm_ it's ok your explanation was clear enough to enlighten me, thank you |
| 06:57.46 | SimonRaven | edited wrong php.ini? |
| 06:57.48 | bob2 | floppyears: bear in mind php5-cli uses a different config file to the apache module |
| 06:57.55 | jm_ | then there are Semprons based on AMD64 core, to add to the confusion |
| 06:57.58 | floppyears | deadcat: I'm using propel + phing + creole, and they said that the mysql extension wasn't loaded, but then when I enabled it in php.ini it still says the same error :( |
| 06:57.59 | Nwallins | my apache2 install doesn't seem to properly load the php4 modules |
| 06:58.12 | deadcat | floppyears: i dont know |
| 06:58.17 | Nwallins | my browser attempts to download .php files with an external app or to the HD |
| 06:58.25 | Guerin | Nwallins: #apache |
| 06:58.26 | bob2 | Nwallins: be more specific |
| 06:58.27 | jm_ | heh the story with apache + php is repeating all over with apache2 + php ;) |
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| 06:58.35 | Guerin | Nwallins: add a handler and make sure the modules are loaded |
| 06:58.38 | jm_ | all over again |
| 06:58.39 | Rhinoz | yay only 45 minutes to get perl-base and debconf and bind working |
| 06:58.39 | Azar | jm_ speaking of AMD64 I was wondering if it would be wise for me to rush and remodel my PC going for it.. or it is too early |
| 06:58.44 | Nwallins | Guerin: they wouldn't help, sent me here |
| 06:58.53 | SimonRaven | no kidding, heh. same beasts, same "problems" |
| 06:58.57 | Nwallins | bob2: specific regarding the bad behavior or the server setup? |
| 06:59.04 | jm_ | Azar: early? they're out there for a long time now, things are pretty stable |
| 06:59.16 | bob2 | Nwallins: about which version of apache and which php4 package you installed |
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| 06:59.30 | Azar | jm_ so I can be confident to install Sarge on a new AMD64? |
| 06:59.34 | Nwallins | abache2 prefork and libapache2-mod_php4 |
| 06:59.46 | jm_ | Azar: depends on your motherboard and chipset |
| 06:59.58 | Nwallins | bob2: ^^ |
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| 07:00.04 | bob2 | Nwallins: "sudo a2enmod php4", I think |
| 07:00.08 | Azar | jm_ I do not have bought new ones yet, was toying with the idea.. |
| 07:00.09 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 07:00.12 | jazzmanss | Azar; I'm running sarge on an amd64, and it works great. I've only a few problems (no flash, no java as yet, although a chroot will fix both) |
| 07:00.15 | bob2 | Nwallins: then restart it, then check your apache2 error log to see if the module is loaded |
| 07:00.25 | Nwallins | ok, thanks bob |
| 07:00.47 | Nwallins | already enabled |
| 07:00.48 | Azar | jazzmanss, I would not worry yet about java and flash as I am not using them at this moment anyways |
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| 07:00.58 | jazzmanss | Azar; clarification, I"m running amd-64 debian on my amd64. :) |
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| 07:01.25 | foo | syslogd and klogd are each betwen 40% and 60% of proc ... why? I am in fluxbox on debian sarge. load average is 3.8 .. something is whack. |
| 07:01.28 | Nwallins | bob2: nothing relevant in error log |
| 07:01.31 | Azar | jazzmanss, indeed I saw that on Sarge's list of options, I wasnt sure if it works ok though |
| 07:01.35 | Nwallins | bob2: just restarts |
| 07:01.54 | tcsetattr | foo, do you have any log files in syslogd.conf prefixed with the '-' character? |
| 07:02.03 | jazzmanss | imo, it works great, and I've not yet found an app that isn't in amd64 sarge, (other then open office, but koffice and abiword suffice) |
| 07:02.07 | bob2 | Nwallins: no, read it |
| 07:02.15 | bob2 | Nwallins: is it loading the php4 module or not? |
| 07:02.16 | Nwallins | umm, ok |
| 07:02.37 | tcsetattr | klogd too? that's different. What's flooding your kernel log? |
| 07:03.15 | Nwallins | bob2: i promise it only shows restart messages in /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 07:03.23 | jm_ | so check other logs |
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| 07:03.39 | Nwallins | it says php is configured |
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| 07:03.52 | bob2 | Nwallins: yes, I know |
| 07:03.57 | bob2 | Nwallins: that's what I was asking, good |
| 07:04.00 | jm_ | is it visible in version string? |
| 07:04.02 | Nwallins | oh, sorry |
| 07:04.11 | bob2 | Nwallins: that means your AddType line is missing |
| 07:04.32 | Nwallins | in apache they laughed at AddType and suggested AddHandler |
| 07:04.33 | jm_ | I suppose that's mentioned in README.Debian? |
| 07:04.52 | bob2 | I'd think libapache2-mod-php4's docs would explain it |
| 07:04.55 | bob2 | but apparently not |
| 07:05.05 | Nwallins | i'll take another look.. brb |
| 07:05.11 | Guerin | this is standard apache config stuff |
| 07:05.26 | foo | tcsetattr: /etc/syslog.conf, right? |
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| 07:05.30 | Guerin | it's documented in httpd.conf documentation |
| 07:05.57 | Nwallins | right, and everything looks as it's supposed to.. that's the rub |
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| 07:06.26 | bob2 | Nwallins: grep php4 /etc/apache2/*? |
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| 07:06.38 | Guerin | you have AddType and AddHandler set correctly for the host you're using? |
| 07:06.39 | tcsetattr | foo, never mind, klogd wouldn't be affected by that. |
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| 07:06.42 | Guerin | i bet you don't |
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| 07:07.19 | Nwallins | Guerin: they are set by the presence of symlinks in /etc/apache2/modules-enabled |
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| 07:07.40 | bris | salut |
| 07:07.42 | SimonRaven | Nwallins: and bob2 told you how to enable it... |
| 07:07.54 | mylanta | Hi People |
| 07:08.02 | bob2 | you need it per-virtual host, it seems |
| 07:08.07 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:08.07 | foo | tcsetattr: I got it. Thanks |
| 07:08.11 | Nwallins | LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so |
| 07:08.12 | Guerin | as I said above |
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| 07:08.21 | Guerin | Nwallins: not the fucking modules - the handlers! |
| 07:08.27 | Nwallins | one sec.. |
| 07:08.51 | Nwallins | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 |
| 07:09.00 | mylanta | I am trying to do disk encryption using loop-AES and am having a few problems |
| 07:09.10 | Guerin | for those keeping score at home, Brahma beer from brazil is shit |
| 07:09.21 | Nwallins | there is some new mods-enabled and mods-available subdirs of symlinks to handle what used to be httpd.conf |
| 07:09.48 | Nwallins | but the presence of the php.conf and php.load symilinks in mods-enabled ought to do what is needed |
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| 07:09.58 | mylanta | it seems the block loop device that comes with the stock kernel needs to be replaced |
| 07:10.10 | bob2 | Nwallins: try explicitly enabling it in one of your virtual host config files |
| 07:10.12 | jm_ | mylanta: as explained on loop-aes page |
| 07:10.26 | Nwallins | no, do i need to AddType AddHandler or both? the package likes AddType where #apache likes AddHandler |
| 07:10.29 | Nwallins | s/no/now/ |
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| 07:11.33 | Nwallins | trying per vhost enabling (ugh) |
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| 07:12.22 | pgw | does anyone know a way for a server process started through inetd to find out the hostname of the client? |
| 07:12.29 | mylanta | loop-AES-source debian readme has instructions for generating a new loop.ko but following these does not result in a new module |
| 07:12.55 | jm_ | pgw: getpeername? |
| 07:13.17 | Rhinoz | ok how do I roll back perl-base from 5.8.7-5 to 5.8.4-8 |
| 07:13.25 | Nwallins | inside my vhost directive i have: AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .php Still No Cookie |
| 07:13.30 | pgw | jm_: I don't have access to the socket (getting the data on stdin) so I can't do that |
| 07:14.59 | jm_ | pgw: yes you can, man getpeername |
| 07:15.07 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# iwconfig eth1 mode monitor |
| 07:15.07 | foo | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 07:15.07 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.07 | Azar | hmm this surely is a typical Debian fortune cookie message: when anything else fails, stop using all else |
| 07:15.08 | foo | Any ideas> |
| 07:15.12 | liable | Rhinoz: really, downgrading from sid is hard, re-install takes 15 mins.. |
| 07:15.17 | jm_ | then there's getsockname |
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| 07:15.39 | pgw | jm_: are you saying I should run getpeername on stdin? |
| 07:15.56 | Azar | Rhinoz, reinstall is the easiest, fastest way to cure a hard , time consuming problem |
| 07:16.03 | liable | foo: your card can be set in different modes? (not all can) |
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| 07:16.26 | Rhinoz | my server is remote and I have no way of doing an easy reinstall |
| 07:16.27 | jm_ | pgw: yes |
| 07:16.53 | foo | liable: orinoco gold card, oringal. I can get kismet to work .. .shouldn't I be able to do this because kismet gets it into monitor mode IIRC |
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| 07:17.04 | liable | foo: indeed |
| 07:17.11 | Nwallins | so, my browser still tries to download php files, even after placing, alternatively an AddType and an AddHandler directive in the vhost directive |
| 07:17.21 | foo | liable: That's what I thought. Any ideas? |
| 07:17.38 | Nwallins | being enabled server-wide ought to be enough, which they apparently are |
| 07:17.59 | ke6isf | Nwallins: Which httpd are you running? |
| 07:18.04 | Nwallins | apache2 |
| 07:18.11 | ke6isf | Nwallins: On Sarge? |
| 07:18.13 | mylanta | jm_ I get a module processed ok message, but no new loop.ko module |
| 07:18.17 | Guerin | Nwallins: you need both |
| 07:18.22 | Nwallins | ke6isf: yeah |
| 07:18.26 | Guerin | Nwallins: you have both, right, not just one? |
| 07:18.29 | ke6isf | Nwallins: apache2 isn't yet ready for prime time. |
| 07:18.36 | ke6isf | Nwallins: Downgrade to apache. |
| 07:18.39 | liable | foo: nup, works here.. |
| 07:18.39 | kevix | foo, I just googled this 'http://airsnort.shmoo.com/orinocoinfo.html' |
| 07:18.42 | Rhinoz | is there away it can be done |
| 07:18.52 | Guerin | ke6isf: people have been saying that since 2002 or so when apache.org moved to it |
| 07:19.11 | Guerin | ke6isf: regardless, apache2 and php in debian DO work |
| 07:19.16 | ke6isf | Guerin: Might be religious issues. |
| 07:19.21 | foo | kevix: Thanks, I will check it out |
| 07:19.31 | kevix | Guerin, user error x-) |
| 07:19.34 | Guerin | this is a config error, and I'm pretty sure it's an id-107 error too |
| 07:20.30 | Guerin | all that said, I still use apache 1.3 |
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| 07:20.34 | pgw | jm_: well, I can't guarantee it's not python's fault, but python does NOT treat stdin as a socket, even if the process is called by inetd... |
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| 07:21.27 | pgw | jm_: thus getpeername (or anything else that runs on a socket) won't work on stdin |
| 07:21.34 | tcsetattr | pgw, python has somewhat of a Windoze attitude toward file descriptors... sockets are second-class citizens |
| 07:21.38 | dimir | Morning. |
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| 07:21.55 | jm_ | mylanta: I built it myself from sources, no Debian packages |
| 07:22.00 | tcsetattr | in other words, it IS python's fault :) |
| 07:22.15 | jm_ | pgw: sorry, I know nothing about python, but that's how you get the info |
| 07:22.26 | Nwallins_ | stupid router crash. netgear makes grappy hardware |
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| 07:22.42 | Nwallins_ | Guerin: i need both? |
| 07:22.47 | tcsetattr | there's some thing you have to do to have it recognize a socket that it didn't create and allow the socket methods to be used... |
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| 07:23.05 | pgw | tcsetattr: so a process started by inetd will actually have the socket itself for stdin?? |
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| 07:23.38 | Azar | jm_ if one wants to get a higher kernel version than Sarge offers, it has to be going with Etch, or you can sit with Sarge and build your own kernels? |
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| 07:23.59 | Nwallins_ | given the whole mods-enabled wrapper over apache2.conf one would expect that havign the modules in there would be enough |
| 07:24.04 | mylanta | jm_ the loop-aes debian packages provide the source for loop.ko and you have to build it yourself |
| 07:24.09 | tcsetattr | yes, file descriptor 0 is a socket. But the word "stdin" in the python language refers to an object of type "file", and python doesn't let you use socket methods on that object. You have to convert it. Python doesn't believe that sockets really are files. |
| 07:24.17 | jm_ | Azar: I build vanilla kernels from kernel.org |
| 07:24.30 | jm_ | mylanta: like I said, that's not the approach I have used |
| 07:24.34 | mylanta | the loop-aes-utils (mount etc.) come precompiled |
| 07:24.38 | Nwallins_ | i'm not clear on what the next step to take is. |
| 07:24.46 | kevix | mylanta, unless you use modules-assistant! |
| 07:24.48 | Azar | jm_ did you have to move up in Etch, or you are still using Sarge? |
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| 07:24.56 | jm_ | I tried it on Woody, had to rebuild util-linux stuff etc. |
| 07:25.02 | jm_ | Azar: Sarge + 2.6.13 |
| 07:25.15 | Azar | wow, nice, thank you jm_ |
| 07:25.19 | pgw | tcsetattr: huh... I thought stdin would probably be some sort of pipe in this case... interesting |
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| 07:26.02 | tcsetattr | I haven't done much with python, and I don't remember exactly what things are called... I do remember this silly socket vs. file distinction causing me pain though. |
| 07:26.03 | mylanta | did you follow the linux disk encryption howto. explicitly states a kernel recompile is essential |
| 07:26.08 | Guerin | Nwallins_: as far as I was aware, the debconf scripts should ahve configured it all to work automagically. But obviously it wouldn't necessarily set up all your vhosts right. |
| 07:26.14 | Azar | back in the Woody days I had to go unstable in order to see how the latest kernel looks |
| 07:26.21 | Guerin | Nwallins_: have you tried both? |
| 07:26.24 | Rhinoz | is there away I can go back to the previous perl-base without reinstall |
| 07:26.37 | Nwallins_ | both AddType and AddHandler or LoadModule and one of the other two? |
| 07:26.41 | Nwallins_ | Guerin: ^^ |
| 07:27.07 | Guerin | Nwallins_: only one LoadModule. Both Add* |
| 07:27.09 | Nwallins_ | typically (apache1.3) that stuff is done in the main server section, and vhosts have them enabled |
| 07:27.13 | tcsetattr | pgw, looks like socket.fromfd() may be the key... maybe socket.fromfd(0, ...) or socket.fromfd(sys.stdin, ...) |
| 07:27.17 | bob2 | tcsetattr: both are file-like objects |
| 07:27.21 | pgw | tcsetattr: well, python or not, not every file is a socket, and if I'd try to run getpeername on a file (or stdin on any normal process) that wouldn't work |
| 07:27.23 | bob2 | tcsetattr: that you can call .write() on |
| 07:27.29 | kevix | Rhinoz, downgrades are unsupported in debian. |
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| 07:28.11 | jm_ | pgw: well obviouisly, but you know you're beeing called from inetd so ... |
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| 07:28.24 | Rhinoz | if I download the deb can I dpkg -i --force--all |
| 07:28.28 | tcsetattr | the point is that unix allows you to pass any file descriptor to getpeername() and it'll return a nice friendly ENOTSOCK if that particular fd doesn't happen to be a socket. sockets are not a separate _datatype_. Python makes them unnecessarily distinct at the type level |
| 07:28.31 | Nwallins_ | Guerin, just for the record, the default site is configured as a vhost. i don't think there is a main host as configured by the packages |
| 07:28.35 | Rhinoz | or will that not work |
| 07:28.40 | bob2 | Rhinoz: not without potentially breaking things |
| 07:28.56 | tcsetattr | so you have to jump through hoops to convince python that sys.stdin really is a socket and you really should be allowed to use it in getpeername() |
| 07:29.05 | kevix | Rhinoz, yes you can try it but many things will break. perl-base is a very important package. |
| 07:29.14 | ircdevil | m dpkg inkscape is an Open Source vector graphics editor, with capabilities similar to Illustrator, Freehand, CorelDraw, or Xara X using the W3C standard Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) file format -> http://www.inkscape.org/ |
| 07:29.18 | ircdevil | doh |
| 07:29.28 | Rhinoz | thats what I am finding |
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| 07:30.03 | ircdevil | !tell me about inkscape |
| 07:30.10 | pgw | tcsetattr: tried socket.fromfd(), doesn't seem to work... not sure how to get to stderr, though, so I don't know what the exception is... |
| 07:30.22 | tcsetattr | stderr will be connected to the client socket too, by inetd |
| 07:30.27 | Nwallins_ | apache2ctl graceful |
| 07:30.29 | Nwallins_ | [Fri Sep 16 03:30:32 2005] [warn] module php4_module is already loaded, skipping |
| 07:30.51 | kevix | Rhinoz, how long ago did this packages get upgraded? |
| 07:31.03 | Rhinoz | 12 hours ago |
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| 07:31.23 | Nwallins_ | Guerin, I am pretty sure that only needs to be done once in the mods-enabled subdir |
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| 07:31.51 | Azar | isn't there a way to remove packages then install only the desired verision instead? |
| 07:31.58 | kevix | Rhinoz, findout what the reverse depends are. 'apt-rdepends perl-base' |
| 07:32.54 | Rhinoz | command not found |
| 07:32.59 | Rhinoz | command not found |
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| 07:33.03 | kevix | Rhinoz, opps, I mean 'apt-rdepends -r perl-base' |
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| 07:33.29 | Rhinoz | command not found still |
| 07:33.29 | cplx | j cisco |
| 07:33.49 | jm_ | you have to install it first ... |
| 07:33.58 | Nwallins_ | WTF? problem fixed itself.. maybe a browser cache issue |
| 07:34.02 | bob2 | Azar: of course, sudo apt-get install foo=1.2.3 |
| 07:34.04 | jm_ | it's not a hard concept to grasp - commands can be run only if they're available |
| 07:34.08 | bob2 | Rhinoz: so install it, duh |
| 07:34.14 | kapil | kevix: you probably mean apt-cache rdepends |
| 07:34.17 | jm_ | Nwallins: haha you didn't restart that first? |
| 07:34.19 | Azar | hi bob2, thanks :) |
| 07:34.27 | Nwallins_ | jm_: I most certainly was |
| 07:34.49 | kevix | Rhinoz, do 'apt-get install apt-rdepends' to install it! |
| 07:35.00 | Nwallins_ | Guerin: just for the record, i don't have any php-specific declarations in the vhost directive anymore |
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| 07:35.15 | Nwallins_ | I'm flabbergasted.. but thanks for the help Guerin et al |
| 07:35.21 | pgw | tcsetattr: Wow, it works! Had to debug a little with netcat, but calling fromfd on stdin.fileno worked. Thanks a lot! |
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| 07:35.53 | kevix | kapil, cool. that works similar to apt-rdepends -r |
| 07:36.21 | tcsetattr | now if you can figure out a good reason why the getpeername() method should not just be moved to the file object, you let me know... |
| 07:36.41 | kevix | Rhinoz, ok as kapil said 'apt-cache rdepends perl-base' will show you will perl-base affects. |
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| 07:37.22 | tcsetattr | especially since socket.fromfd doesn't even check that the fd is a socket! You can socket.fromfd() a regular file, and it doesn't complain until you try to use a socket operation on it like getpeername, then it says ENOTSOCK, just like it should. So why not let sys.stdin.getpeername() directly do the same thing? I can only figure it's because python sucks |
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| 07:37.48 | pgw | on other platforms (well, Windows) the two _are_ treated quite differently, and python is decidedly multi-platform. maybe that's why? not a good reason, though |
| 07:37.50 | eps | what is the status of gnome 2.12 in experimental? will it maybe be coming to sid soon? :D |
| 07:37.53 | blahdeblah | Hi all. Can anyone suggest an application that would be suitable for a topical reference system? i.e. Something like a library article file where there's an N-to-M relationship between articles & topics. |
| 07:38.24 | bob2 | what's getpeername used for? |
| 07:38.34 | Rhinoz | lots depends on it |
| 07:38.35 | tcsetattr | yeah, pgw, that's why I like perl. It's deeply embedded in unix culture. Not respectful of Windoze limitations at all. So it doesn't limit unix programmers with stupid Windoze concepts like sockets being separate from files :) |
| 07:38.43 | Rhinoz | about 30 things probably more |
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| 07:38.57 | kevix | Rhinoz, exactly why did you want to downgrade? |
| 07:38.58 | tcsetattr | bob2, getpeername tells the IP address and port of the guy at the other end of the socket |
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| 07:39.12 | bob2 | tcsetattr: what does it return for a regular file? |
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| 07:39.21 | jm_ | bob2: basically fills in sockaddr struct with info - returns an error in that case |
| 07:39.27 | bob2 | right |
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| 07:39.35 | tcsetattr | bob2, it returns -1 and sets errno to ENOTSOCK. |
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| 07:39.49 | Rhinoz | it looks like I will be sticking with unstable for a while |
| 07:39.50 | jm_ | that's why you see getpeername() failed when people start apps intended to use from inetd on command line |
| 07:40.08 | Rhinoz | oh well thanks anyways |
| 07:40.18 | kevix | Rhinoz, what were you using before testing or stable? |
| 07:40.27 | Rhinoz | stable |
| 07:40.30 | liable | windows? |
| 07:40.34 | pgw | I haven't worked much with inetd before this |
| 07:40.52 | Rhinoz | well ya I was using windows prior to debian liable =P |
| 07:40.56 | Rhinoz | hehe |
| 07:41.22 | kevix | Rhinoz, taht would be a problem! |
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| 07:42.44 | tcsetattr | worse yet, python's socket.fromfd() requires you to specify a family and type, as if you were creating a new socket. What is it doing with this information? What happens if you're wrong about what type of socket is there? who knows... these issues don't come up in a decent language that just lets you do socket operations on any file descriptor that happens to be a socket |
| 07:42.59 | kevix | Rhinoz, mixing stable,testing and unstable is a danger thing for new folks. You should look for apt-get.org or backports.org for newer perl versions. |
| 07:43.01 | Nwallins | what's the number one gripe about downstream versions of debian (ubunto, ddc, etc) is it those users trying to get support here? |
| 07:43.03 | Rhinoz | if I can get apache php4 mysql and postfix working I would be happy but it almost feels like pissing in a windstorm |
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| 07:43.19 | Nwallins | try pissing up a rope |
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| 07:43.31 | Rhinoz | I thought it was pushing a rope |
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| 07:43.47 | Nwallins | that can be done, but only by hindu masters, I think |
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| 07:43.57 | Guerin | bah, it's not that hard |
| 07:43.58 | Rhinoz | lol is there a debian install for cliches |
| 07:44.01 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 07:44.01 | dpkg | postfix howto is, like, see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
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| 07:44.19 | kevix | Nwallins, do all of those debian-related thingy have an irc channel? |
| 07:44.21 | Nwallins | the throttle on my motorcycle has a push cable and pull cable, but i think those are metaphors |
| 07:44.21 | Guerin | apache and php4 is easy if you're not stupid |
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| 07:44.39 | Guerin | kevix: yes, but they may or may not have useful people in it |
| 07:44.42 | Nwallins | kevix: ubuntu does ddc is fairly new, and not a distro unto itself |
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| 07:45.00 | Guerin | !ddc |
| 07:45.00 | dpkg | from memory, ddc is the Display Data Channel. it provides a way for programs to ask DDC-compliant ("Plug and Play") monitors for information about themselves. |
| 07:45.02 | Rhinoz | apache and php4 I had working its libapache-mod-perl thats been giving me all my headaches |
| 07:45.14 | Nwallins | err.. dcc? |
| 07:45.23 | kevix | Nwallins, yup I just read the recent Ian 'fork' comment on planet. |
| 07:45.52 | kevix | Nwallins, debian core consotrium |
| 07:45.59 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:46.07 | Guerin | which is called something else, now, isn't it? |
| 07:46.15 | Azar | debian is not in that dcc thing |
| 07:46.33 | Azar | debian-derivatives are |
| 07:46.48 | Rhinoz | on linuxiso there is non us and usa iso's which do I want for fresh install |
| 07:46.55 | kevix | Azar, nope. guess non-rpm folks wanted a way to get 'official supprort' |
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| 07:47.07 | Nwallins | http://www.dccalliance.org/ |
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| 07:47.24 | liable | Rhinoz: get them from debian |
| 07:47.27 | Ender78 | http://www.contemporaryinsanity.org |
| 07:47.31 | Azar | kevix, it might be a trademark stuff, I am not sure, but it seems the trademark thingie failed in Australia so far |
| 07:47.32 | liable | !d-i Rhinoz |
| 07:47.33 | dpkg | Rhinoz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:47.40 | Guerin | !topicbadger Rhinoz |
| 07:47.41 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that Rhinoz didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 07:48.03 | kevix | Azar, trademark for 'debian'? |
| 07:48.06 | Azar | liable, he is remote, I dont think he can reinstall |
| 07:48.08 | paxed | how do i limit bandwidth usage for certain users, but not for others? |
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| 07:48.31 | liable | Azar: um, he was talking about iso's.. |
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| 07:48.49 | Azar | hmm kevix, it seems complicated to me but I see the linux trademark and debian derivatives dcc has something in common, I have no exact idea |
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| 07:49.25 | Azar | some sort of union to be legally protected or so |
| 07:49.47 | inthenow_ | microsoft is in darkness. they are not in the light. linux is in the light for everyone to see. no one stumbles in light. This light will over take it. Microsoft is closed in foxholes. Linux is Open and in the light |
| 07:50.07 | kevix | Azar, will have to query about this. |
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| 07:50.13 | Guerin | inthenow_: this is not #shitepoetry |
| 07:50.15 | gordotron | can anyone help me install the latest nvidia drivers for my 6600 GT? |
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| 07:50.19 | karl__ | I need to identify a host by its harware for a script. Any ideas? |
| 07:50.28 | Guerin | kevix: identify it by mac? |
| 07:50.33 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 07:50.33 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 starving ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 07:50.43 | inthenow_ | and microsoft is stolen |
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| 07:50.53 | fireba11 | karl__: why you need to do that ? can't u just check the hostname ? |
| 07:50.54 | karl__ | No network card |
| 07:50.55 | kevix | Guerin, I think that was meant for paxed |
| 07:50.58 | Azar | kevix, however debian is ok for now, not getting involved in such stuff |
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| 07:51.07 | Guerin | inthenow_: /nick barkingmoron |
| 07:51.07 | pngwn | inthenow_, and off topic in here |
| 07:51.08 | karl__ | I want to set the hostname |
| 07:51.08 | inthenow_ | windows causes people who would think nothing of it to steal |
| 07:51.22 | Guerin | kevix: no, for karl__ |
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| 07:51.34 | kevix | Azar, SPI hold all things debian but is US based. would that be the issue. |
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| 07:51.45 | liable | inthenow_: dude, wrong fucking channel.. |
| 07:51.54 | Azar | karl_ no card, no mac address, sounds lonely |
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| 07:52.11 | fireba11 | karl__: jsut check if the eth0 device exists then :-) |
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| 07:53.00 | karl__ | fireball: I have nore then one computer without eth0 ((( |
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| 07:53.46 | fireba11 | karl__: i thoughht you only needed to know if it has eth0 or not .. so you need to identify every songle one of the with a script .. now why you want to do that anyway ?? |
| 07:54.21 | sep | karl__, are you imaging a lot of computers and want to avoid having to set hostname manualy on each ? |
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| 07:55.03 | fireba11 | sorry about my typos .. am not that awake yet |
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| 07:55.08 | liable | wtf, who calls themself shitbeard? the mind boggles.. |
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| 07:55.15 | karl__ | sep: Yes - somthing of this kind I want to have the same configuration for alll og them |
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| 07:55.23 | steve | " GL module " ? is the correct location supposed to be "/usr/src/modules/" with the other "nvidia modules" ? |
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| 07:55.47 | fireba11 | karl__: whyt about adding a random nomber to the hostename or the like ? |
| 07:55.52 | karl__ | And I need somhow to set hostname Xfree config etc |
| 07:55.58 | huck_finn | Hello, I'm running Sarge with DHCP connection and I have no ehternet connectivity. I just installed a 2nd ethernet card and tried to give it a static IP but still have no connectivity. Any ideas? I'm a newbie... so go slowly :) |
| 07:56.03 | nkuttler | karl__: try lspci |
| 07:56.07 | sep | karl__, then ffs why dont you just say so in your question ? would save all of us some wild guessing |
| 07:56.24 | fireba11 | sep: true |
| 07:56.37 | karl__ | what is ffs? |
| 07:56.42 | liable | steve: err, would think its supposed to be in /usr/lib/2.6.../modules/something |
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| 07:56.44 | SimonRaven | @ffs |
| 07:56.46 | ravenbird | for fuck's sake. Berkeley Fast File System, or http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html |
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| 07:57.38 | liable | huck_finn: man ifconfig, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
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| 07:58.03 | paxed | so, no pointers re. bandwidth limiting for certain users? |
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| 07:58.12 | sep | huck_finn, ifconfig -a check your interfaces have ip's assigned to them, route -n check that you have subnet routes to your interfaces, ping ip's in your subnet reply or not ? route -n do you have a default gw ? if yes ping hosts in another subnet repy or not ? if yes check /etc/resolv.conf do you have a nameserver ? can you ping it ? can it resolve ? tell us where it stops |
| 07:58.29 | kevix | huck_finn, did you ever get a working eth0 on debian or is this after a new card was installed? |
| 07:59.00 | huck_finn | kevix: yes, it was working before I moved... |
| 07:59.13 | huck_finn | sep: I'll try that and let you know |
| 07:59.26 | kevix | huck_finn, maybe the cards got moved and need to be reset? |
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| 08:00.05 | huck_finn | kevix: you mean re-seat them? I just put a new 3com card in to see if the onboard one was bad... |
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| 08:00.22 | sep | paxed, sure you can fwmark packages depending on hte user process and limit on that |
| 08:00.23 | tcsetattr | huck_finn, also run mii-tool to see if the kernel thinks there's a cable plugged in |
| 08:00.36 | kevix | huck_finn, yup. and the 3com is not working? |
| 08:00.39 | sep | paxed, or you can run a userlever limiter, depends on your needs |
| 08:00.41 | huck_finn | kevix: i have an ethernet connection running into both of them |
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| 08:01.07 | huck_finn | kevix: no, the 3com isn't working either. I can give it a static ip, but no connectivity |
| 08:01.10 | liable | huck_finn: what exactly are you trying to achieve? router? |
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| 08:01.45 | Azar | if I am not mistaken , huck_finn setup a DHCP but he wants to use a fixed IP... |
| 08:01.45 | kevix | huck_finn, you said you didn't have connectivity? do you or not? i'm confused. |
| 08:01.47 | huck_finn | kevix: no, just an internet connection |
| 08:01.53 | saloxin | huck_finn: mii-diag? |
| 08:01.57 | sep | huck_finn, notice i skipped all the physical troublshooting, as look for link leds and spot act leds blinking when it pings, since those are rather obvious |
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| 08:02.17 | liable | huck_finn: why two cards then? |
| 08:02.18 | kevix | huck_finn, by 'internet' you mean modem and ethernet you mean 'eth0' |
| 08:02.26 | huck_finn | sep: I have blicking lights on the ethernet cards |
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| 08:03.04 | huck_finn | kevix: i just want to be able to get on the intenet on my Debian desktop... I'm a total newbie... so I'm not setting up a router or server or anythign yet |
| 08:03.22 | huck_finn | liable: i installed a 2nd card thinking that maybe the onboard was bad |
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| 08:03.44 | saloxin | huck_finn: dhclient eth0 ? |
| 08:03.52 | kevix | huck_finn, you just said you have an 'internet connection'? how? by eth0 or ppp0 ? |
| 08:03.53 | liable | huck_finn: ok, do either show up in ifconfig -a? |
| 08:04.16 | thd | Is there any special configuration required for Debian vim plugins? I have installed vim outliner from the dselect and yet no outliner commands are available. Is anyone familiar with the installation of vim outliner in Debian? Either something is missing or installation is different under Debian form the standard vim plugin installation? |
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| 08:04.30 | huck_finn | kevix: no connectioni, i'm on my other pc next to it right now |
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| 08:05.07 | kevix | huck_finn, thanx. just want to get that clear. did you add the 3com or replace the 'broken' one? |
| 08:05.11 | huck_finn | liable: yes, I see eth0 and eth1 |
| 08:05.16 | saloxin | huck_finn: does the command "ifconfig -a" and/or "mii-diad" say anything? |
| 08:05.39 | saloxin | s/diad/diag |
| 08:05.47 | huck_finn | kevix: i added the 3com, the eth0 is onboard... on in the mobo |
| 08:05.56 | kevix | thd, have you looked in the standard place for package README and other info? |
| 08:06.12 | Azar | huck_finn first things you need to know from your ISP : gateway IP address, your machine assigned IP number and Primary and Secondary DNS addresses. With those adresses you edit your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 08:06.42 | huck_finn | saloxin: "mii-diad" = command not found |
| 08:06.51 | kevix | huck_finn, that is a different story! so the on-board eth0 is not working? |
| 08:06.53 | saloxin | huck_finn: mii-diag - or mii-tool |
| 08:07.13 | tcsetattr | you can tell this is going to take a while. |
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| 08:07.30 | huck_finn | Azar: I'm on a linksys router, so those numbers should all be generic no? 192.168.1.1/68.6.16.25 etc |
| 08:07.32 | huck_finn | ??? |
| 08:07.34 | saloxin | well, nice excersise in killin time ;-P |
| 08:07.50 | zulkifar | Hi. What are 'configlets' and how to 'run' them? |
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| 08:07.59 | paxed | sep, thanks for the pointer... though an example would be appreciated; the iptables tutorials/FAQs i can find are horrible |
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| 08:08.25 | thd | kevix: there is no special Debian readme and the standard readme suggests that the install file should create plugins under the application home directory which does not exist. |
| 08:08.42 | Azar | huck_finn your router is the gateway, and one of its assigned adresses is your machine's. DNS numbers are assigned by your ISP. |
| 08:08.51 | huck_finn | saloxin: mii-tool shows: no autonegotiation. should that be on? how would i do that? |
| 08:08.54 | kevix | zulkifar, A "configlet" is a small Python/GNOME/Glade applet designed to load |
| 08:08.55 | kevix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.55 | kevix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:09.11 | saloxin | huck_finn: do you have a link beat? |
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| 08:09.30 | huck_finn | saloxin: what's a linik beat? |
| 08:09.35 | kevix | thd, have you checked bugs.debian.org for a bug? |
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| 08:10.03 | saloxin | huck_finn: autonegotiation - is for setting network speeds > 10hd, not critical |
| 08:10.26 | huck_finn | saloxin: ok, they both say link ok too... |
| 08:10.28 | zulkifar | kevix: I've install 'timezoneconf' which is configlet. How to run it? %) |
| 08:10.31 | saloxin | huck_finn: link beat - you have a good cable connected to something in the other end. mii-diag should tell you |
| 08:10.35 | saloxin | ah ok |
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| 08:10.41 | kevix | saloxin, huck_finn said he moved his computer and now the onboard eth0 is not working and he install a 3com card. |
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| 08:11.07 | thd | kevix: I will now. I always assume user error if nothing works :) |
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| 08:11.09 | kevix | zulkifar, have you tried typing 'timezoneconf'? |
| 08:11.18 | saloxin | huck_finn: how do you set up network on the other machine? static ip address or dhcp? |
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| 08:11.21 | liable | if dhclient dont work, then its prolly a router problem.. |
| 08:11.27 | huck_finn | I moved, physically to another part of the county... from Cox intenet to Adelphia... that's the only change. but I'm not using static IP on the debian box |
| 08:11.34 | saloxin | liable: yah |
| 08:12.01 | saloxin | huck_finn: try "dhclient eth0", wait for it to time out, then try "dhclient eth1", just to make sure |
| 08:12.03 | Azar | kevix, you think that if huck_finn performs a /usr/sbin/base-config will repair his connection ? |
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| 08:12.14 | huck_finn | saloxin: on my windows pc, i'm static. and both windows and debian box are connected to business hub, via wireless ehternet adapter |
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| 08:12.23 | huck_finn | saloxin: ok... trying now |
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| 08:12.30 | saloxin | huck_finn: so there's no dhcp server on your net? |
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| 08:12.36 | kevix | huck_finn, so 'not wokring' means eth0 is ok but you cant get to the outside. and it does not mean that the eth0 is broken? |
| 08:13.06 | kevix | Azar, huh? |
| 08:13.17 | saloxin | huck_finn: gotta go smoke bbl |
| 08:13.31 | liable | huck_finn: do as sep said... check if you can ping the router, then others on the lan, then outside, then resolve adresses.. |
| 08:13.33 | huck_finn | saloxin: the dhcp server is my linksys router... sorry |
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| 08:13.41 | Azar | kevix, I think he installed Debian with a dhcp option while in fact he wants a static IP |
| 08:13.43 | huck_finn | saloxin: no prob... see you in a few |
| 08:13.45 | tcsetattr | huck_finn has way too many unknowns... he just changed ISP _and_ added another network card... |
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| 08:13.54 | huck_finn | liable: i'll try that |
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| 08:14.20 | kevix | Azar, that would be a simple editing of /etc/network/interfaces? no. or etherconf. |
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| 08:14.37 | zulkifar | kevix: sure, no such command |
| 08:14.50 | huck_finn | I dont see why getting a new ISP would really matter, but I'm new to linux, so maybe there is? |
| 08:14.58 | sep | paxed, sorry, i do all my limiting based on ip's never done it by user. but read iptables manpage look for the match uid/user argument. then use iptables to mark packages for each user, then ratelimit based on the mark |
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| 08:15.03 | huck_finn | I'm still on the same 192.XXX network |
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| 08:15.18 | kevix | zulkifar try thing 'grep bin /var/lib/dpkg/info/timezoneconf.list' |
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| 08:15.32 | tcsetattr | huck_finn, you don't see why changing ISPs requires you to change your network setup? hit yuorself on the head with a hammer until you are asleep. Maybe it will come to you in a dream. |
| 08:15.38 | Azar | huck_finn, a new ISP assigns you another pool of IP addresses |
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| 08:15.57 | zulkifar | kevix: there are few files installed into /usr/share/configlets/timezoneconf/. I use dpkg -L timezoneconf |
| 08:15.59 | Azar | DNS adresses for example |
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| 08:16.15 | huck_finn | tcsetattr: that's nice... thanks for the help buddy |
| 08:16.53 | kevix | zulkifar, I did 'apt-cache search configlets' and found 'configlets-frontends'. could this help. |
| 08:17.04 | Azar | huck_finn call your ISP and ask them all the info you need: gateway adress, and the 2 DNS addresses |
| 08:17.31 | huck_finn | azar: i can get that from my windows machine with an ipconfig/all no? |
| 08:17.31 | tcsetattr | anyway he has a linksys "router", which may or may not be running a DHCP server... |
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| 08:17.37 | liable | the router should get it all, look in the config pages for it.... |
| 08:17.37 | kevix | huck_finn, maybe you want to 'apt-get install etherconf'. this may help. |
| 08:17.37 | sep | huck_finn, inf your lucky the new isp might need pppoe even |
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| 08:17.56 | Azar | huck_finn, yes indeed |
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| 08:18.09 | sep | huck_finn, or perhaps it only allows one mac at the time so you need a router |
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| 08:18.20 | liable | ffs |
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| 08:18.32 | liable | huck_finn: can you ping the router or not? |
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| 08:18.40 | huck_finn | liable: no cant, ping router |
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| 08:19.01 | liable | huck_finn: right, take down both interfaces. |
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| 08:19.26 | liable | huck_finn: then ifconfig up eth0 |
| 08:19.35 | Azar | I can never figure out how Debian finds the netmask and broadcast adresses.. in /interfaces.. I configure the connection at install time. |
| 08:19.40 | glut | ółążąą/quit ARGH |
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| 08:19.49 | aum | hi - trouble mounting usb flash drive in 2.6.12 - log fills up with "no additional sense information" - fsck.vfat on /dev/sga1 passes fine - any ideas? |
| 08:20.02 | quick | I'm want ./configure in gnome bash terminal. Trouble: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! I need install deb package? |
| 08:20.04 | SuperPhly | why does apache-common want to install when i get php4-mysql? i already have apache2 installed |
| 08:20.05 | kevix | Azar, have you used etherconf? |
| 08:20.15 | huck_finn | liable:ok, lemme try that |
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| 08:20.38 | Azar | kevix no but thanks for the tip I did not know about it: bookmarked :) |
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| 08:20.42 | tcsetattr | quick, apt-get install xlibs-dev |
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| 08:20.45 | quick | help please |
| 08:20.53 | quick | senks |
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| 08:21.00 | kevix | aum have you tried 'mount -t vfat /dev/sga1 /mnt/sga1' |
| 08:21.08 | quick | tcsetattr: senks |
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| 08:21.38 | thd | kevix: vim-vimoutliner lists a maintainer but there is an open 75 day old bug that it does nothing. The maintainer has abstained from maintaining. |
| 08:21.41 | zulkifar | kevix: when I do 'apt-cache search configlets' it finds nothing. Do you use sarge? |
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| 08:22.02 | kevix | thd, well that would explain a lot x-) |
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| 08:22.29 | kevix | zulkifar, sid |
| 08:22.43 | aum | kevix: yes, many times, says "wrong fs type..." |
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| 08:23.12 | aum | and, FAT: codepage cp437 not found |
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| 08:23.53 | kevix | aum, how about cfdisk /dev/sga and see how it lists sga1 |
| 08:24.08 | tcsetattr | is "sga" a typo or am I nuts? |
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| 08:24.17 | kapil | tcsetattr: Have you tried http://www.vimoutliner.org? |
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| 08:24.36 | tcsetattr | aum, modprobe nls_cp437 ? |
| 08:24.38 | aum | kevix: sda1 primary fat16 size=252.97 |
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| 08:24.56 | zulkifar | I'm slightly confused with how many clocks in a computer and how they are called when are referenced in documentations. When computer is OFF there must be a clock supplied from battery with 1sec resolution. When we switch computer ON there must bo another clock with 8kHz resolution. What is RTC and what is hardware clock? Sorry if this is dumb question :) |
| 08:24.58 | aum | tcsetattr: which kernel option builds nls_cp437? |
| 08:25.02 | kevix | aum, I think vfat is fat32 no? |
| 08:25.12 | quick | tcsetattr: I'm install this, but: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 08:25.20 | tcsetattr | aum, probably the one titled "NLS codepage 437" or something like that... |
| 08:25.21 | quick | :( |
| 08:25.22 | aum | kevix: yes |
| 08:25.40 | tcsetattr | quick, `apt-cache search qt dev' and figure it out |
| 08:25.43 | aum | kevix: so could it be barfing at fat16? |
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| 08:25.47 | kevix | aum, how about 'msdos' ? |
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| 08:26.01 | quick | tcsetattr: ok |
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| 08:26.37 | aum | kevix: '-t msdos' as mount opt doesn't work either |
| 08:26.57 | kevix | aum, how about 'auto' or no -t |
| 08:27.03 | tcsetattr | cp437 may not be your main problem, but it will probably shut up that error message if you load the module. |
| 08:27.15 | quick | join #debian_ru |
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| 08:27.57 | liable | aum: what does dmesg say when you plug it in? if you have a custom kernel, does it work with a debian one?? |
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| 08:28.14 | aum | ahh, config_nls_437 is not set |
| 08:28.17 | kevix | aum, would it be problem to reformat it to vfat (assuming you get the data off it first)? |
| 08:28.36 | liable | !custom kernel |
| 08:28.36 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 08:28.44 | liable | grr |
| 08:28.58 | zulkifar | quick: no such channel - debain_ru |
| 08:29.06 | liable | !ru |
| 08:29.06 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 08:29.10 | zulkifar | quick: there is #debian-russian |
| 08:29.36 | aum | kevix: might be that vfat or usb_storage needs nls_437 - so i'm rebuilding kernel with nls_437 set |
| 08:29.38 | zulkifar | So would anyone help me with clocks? :) |
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| 08:29.55 | llama32 | what is there in the way of gnome/gtk IDE's? |
| 08:29.57 | tcsetattr | zulkifar, maybe you need #hardware-geeks |
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| 08:30.34 | huck_fin1 | liable: that seems to have done it. I disabled both, rebooted, and brought eth0 back up and it's working ... thanks for the help |
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| 08:30.39 | kevix | zulkifar, I know the cmos battery clock. maybe you mean an 8k osilator chip? |
| 08:30.40 | zulkifar | tcsetattr: nobody there |
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| 08:30.53 | tcsetattr | zulkifar, I was mostly joking. |
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| 08:30.59 | zulkifar | tcsetattr: :) |
| 08:31.11 | liable | huck_fin1: np |
| 08:31.19 | kevix | aum, that is why I dont do custom kernels! x-) |
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| 08:31.48 | tcsetattr | it's too easy to say "well, I'll never use _that_!" when configure a kernel |
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| 08:32.08 | saloxin | huck_finn: coolio :-) |
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| 08:32.26 | kevix | tcsetattr, I wish there was 'dependency checking' like apt for kernel configs. |
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| 08:32.50 | liable | thats why there are debian images... |
| 08:32.53 | tcsetattr | kevix, there is good dependency checking. But the CP437 thing seems to be a hole in it... |
| 08:33.00 | zulkifar | kevix: maybe. I just want to clarify things to myself - when docs say 'setting hardware clock' do they mean setting CMOS clock? |
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| 08:33.25 | tcsetattr | zulkifar, they mean setting the clock that will keep ticking when the main power is turned off... |
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| 08:34.04 | kevix | tcsetattr, where to file a bug report! x-) |
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| 08:34.07 | zulkifar | tcsetattr: that is CMOS clock? |
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| 08:34.13 | liable | yes |
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| 08:34.42 | liable | zulkifar: pull the battery out and see what happens. :P |
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| 08:35.07 | tcsetattr | if you want to get into details of chips and frequencies you're over my head. but the hardware clock is the one you see in the CMOS SETUP utility... be careful though, some people might be referring to an atomic clock on the serial port when they say "hardware clock", if they're talking about high-level NTP servers... |
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| 08:35.28 | tcsetattr | is there a point to your question about the clocks? |
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| 08:35.39 | tcsetattr | getting to the point quickly helps your question make sense. |
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| 08:35.59 | zulkifar | tcsetattr: I'm trying to realize how 'chrony' works and do I need to enable rtc update |
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| 08:37.06 | kevix | zulkifar, that is used to syncronize a ntp server with your cmos clock. |
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| 08:37.23 | saloxin | zulkifar: for most purposes ntpdate does the trick |
| 08:37.25 | mr_blue | hi all |
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| 08:37.38 | zulkifar | kevix: with my system time I would say. RTC update is an option |
| 08:37.50 | mr_blue | does the freeplayer speaks to someone here ? |
| 08:37.51 | liable | !set time |
| 08:37.52 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 08:38.13 | kevix | mr_blue, wuh? |
| 08:38.25 | Azar | isnt ntp risky to keep in use?, securitywise.. |
| 08:38.34 | ricky_clarkson | fireba11: apt-get install swat ;) |
| 08:38.42 | fireba11 | !swat |
| 08:38.42 | dpkg | somebody said swat was Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with |
| 08:38.45 | mr_blue | kevix, freeplayer. did you heard about that ? |
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| 08:38.55 | ricky_clarkson | !freeplayer |
| 08:39.03 | zulkifar | liable, saloxin: thanks. I didn't know about ntpdate. |
| 08:39.06 | liable | Azar: only for you, that seems to get hacked all the time...:P |
| 08:39.10 | kevix | mr_blue, is that like 'mplayer' but freer? |
| 08:39.23 | liable | freer? |
| 08:39.24 | fireba11 | ricky_clarkson: :-) had to set up a smb to get automounted under a specific user .. took a while to figure out .. |
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| 08:40.00 | ricky_clarkson | fireba11: Well if the user didn't reboot all the time you could just mount it once. ;) |
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| 08:40.09 | mr_blue | kevix, nope, it si a french techno (tripleplay) where you can watch multimedia file over you tv. |
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| 08:40.46 | kevix | mr_blue, like 'iptv' (current buzzword) |
| 08:40.47 | ricky_clarkson | mr_blue: c'est pour le teletext aussi? |
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| 08:41.01 | fireba11 | ricky_clarkson: true .. but its in a VM, so i have to expect reboots .. out builder for our software runs in that VM since it needs special software only available in redhat8 .. a bit outdated .. btu i won't change it until it works |
| 08:41.07 | mr_blue | so my question become : does someone comes from france and use the freeplayer on his debian box ? :( |
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| 08:41.12 | fireba11 | s/until/while |
| 08:41.19 | liable | !fr |
| 08:41.19 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:41.27 | mr_blue | ricky_clarkson, i don't think so but not sure |
| 08:41.28 | Azar | mr_blue, if you order that, maybe |
| 08:41.29 | ricky_clarkson | mr_blue: Ask in a French-speaking channel, perhaps. |
| 08:41.35 | kevix | mr_blue, or do you mean a hardware box (like a router) that connect a computer and a tv. |
| 08:41.47 | mr_blue | kevix, probably but don't know iptv |
| 08:41.48 | bucky | mr_blue, apparently it's a windows program |
| 08:41.52 | ricky_clarkson | kevix: I believe it's a set-top box of some kind. |
| 08:42.02 | mr_blue | kevix, yes |
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| 08:42.26 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 08:42.30 | ricky_clarkson | ciao |
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| 08:42.42 | mr_blue | bucky, nope it is a linux, mac os x and windows program (it works with vlc : www.videolan.org) |
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| 08:43.11 | gypsymauro | I'm searching a tool that shows me the info of my system (textual) disks, partitions, memory ecc.. and creates a report any hint? |
| 08:43.24 | liable | mr_blue: if its not in the debian repos, then you will have a hard time getting help here. try #linux |
| 08:43.26 | fireba11 | gypsymauro: just have a look at /proc |
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| 08:43.36 | Azar | mr_blue what operating system are you running on your machine? |
| 08:43.36 | mr_blue | liable, oki thx |
| 08:43.46 | mr_blue | Azar, debian of course :) |
| 08:44.08 | Azar | mr_blue then packages outside Debian won't work |
| 08:44.13 | tofirius | hello all |
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| 08:44.24 | gypsymauro | fireba11: well I need a report I know that in proc I can find everything.. but I've to check a lot of PC |
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| 08:44.33 | SpamHog | gypsysauro: also these: df, vmstat, free, fdisk -l /dev/hd<whatever>... |
| 08:44.34 | tofirius | i need help with usb |
| 08:44.36 | SpamHog | and ... |
| 08:44.38 | fireba11 | gypsymauro: ah, thats something else then |
| 08:44.45 | mr_blue | Azar, vlc is in the debian package set |
| 08:44.51 | gypsymauro | lshw it seems the answer:) |
| 08:45.12 | uservhy56 | anybody here using a LVM |
| 08:45.13 | SpamHog | gypsysauro: also do <command> > <path><filename> to get your reports |
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| 08:45.19 | kevix | mr_blue, does this program work with a computer av/tv card? |
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| 08:45.46 | SpamHog | gypsymauro: "gypsysauro" ooops! |
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| 08:46.06 | uservhy56 | if so, any recommendations as I will have to configure one in the next few days |
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| 08:46.20 | tcsetattr | gypsymauro, also see dsh for executing the same command on many machines simultaneously |
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| 08:46.28 | SpamHog | gypsymauro: it works with any app that outputs to terminal - you just redirect the output |
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| 08:46.35 | liable | uservhy56: how about reading the docs and google? |
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| 08:47.11 | mr_blue | kevix, nope ... you run vlc on your computer and it stream multimedia flux over the ethernet net. On this ethernet lan there is a 'freebox' also connected to your tv (peritel) and you can drive vlc by http from your remote tv control :) |
| 08:47.27 | mr_blue | kevix, no need to burn any cd's |
| 08:47.28 | uservhy56 | ya ive been checking it out. just wondering what ppl here think |
| 08:47.50 | gypsymauro | SpamHog: I know that tanx:) |
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| 08:48.33 | Azar | wow, we got new apache, :) nice |
| 08:49.24 | fireba11 | did we ? |
| 08:49.40 | Azar | new security packages.. |
| 08:49.46 | fireba11 | ah |
| 08:49.49 | SpamHog | gypsymauro: my fav little script: "loi" = lots of info = clear && date && uname -a && w && vmstat && df |
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| 08:50.45 | MJ | In what cases will the sarge installer not offer the grub boot loader? |
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| 08:51.07 | liable | MJ: why? |
| 08:51.13 | jm_ | MJ: on non x86 architectures for one |
| 08:51.14 | tcsetattr | I bet installing on sparc is a case where you will not be offered grub. |
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| 08:51.17 | MJ | I am setting up a set of SATA disks as RAID 1 with LVW |
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| 08:51.24 | tcsetattr | dammit, I lose again. |
| 08:51.25 | MJ | This is a x86 machine |
| 08:51.27 | Azar | ..and Woody |
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| 08:51.40 | MJ | This is sarge |
| 08:51.41 | SpamHog | gypsymauro: also, "tmi" = too much info = clear && date && ddate && whoami && uname -a && w && free -kto && vmstat && df && debfoster -a && fortune > ~/tmi |
| 08:51.47 | Azar | actually no, Woody gives a choice |
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| 08:51.53 | MJ | No GRUB option given. |
| 08:52.05 | saloxin | MJ: using raid for /boot might shift you to lilo, but I don't remember precise |
| 08:52.09 | liable | meaning exactly? |
| 08:52.24 | MJ | There is no /boot partioton, only /. |
| 08:52.37 | Azar | MJ , the /boot file |
| 08:52.40 | kevix | saloxin, I think that may be it. |
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| 08:53.05 | saloxin | if / contains /boot, on raid, will have same effect |
| 08:53.27 | MJ | Okay |
| 08:53.29 | MJ | it does |
| 08:53.34 | MJ | (As it should) |
| 08:53.47 | MJ | Can I force it to do GRUB anyway? |
| 08:54.03 | gypsymauro | SpamHog: fortune?:) |
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| 08:54.33 | liable | MJ: its installing grub by default? |
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| 08:55.01 | liable | err, lilo... |
| 08:55.02 | MJ | liable: No, it isn't offering to install GRUB at all |
| 08:55.06 | MJ | Yes |
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| 08:55.20 | MJ | After the base sys install |
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| 08:55.37 | MJ | I only have a LILO option or continue w/o a boot loader |
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| 08:56.27 | saloxin | MJ: whats wrong with lilo. i believe you need patched/newer version of grub to handle raid |
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| 08:56.46 | Vixenos | I prefer Lilo, but I use Grub, because debian prefer Grub. |
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| 08:56.53 | Vixenos | Slackware prefer lilo ;) |
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| 08:56.54 | MJ | saloxin: Okay, if GRUB won't deal with RAID |
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| 08:57.05 | MJ | Then I'll use LILO. |
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| 08:57.16 | MJ | Just that all the other machines use GRUB. |
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| 08:57.29 | fireba11 | MJ: why yont' grub work with raid ? |
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| 08:57.35 | fireba11 | its doing fine here |
| 08:57.37 | Vixenos | but i prefer lilo to configure the loader |
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| 08:57.52 | MJ | fireba11: sure, but i was asking why the installer won't let me |
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| 08:58.16 | liable | MJ: hardware raid or not? |
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| 08:58.19 | fireba11 | MJ: what version if the installer ? the latest netinstall for sarge is doing ti fine |
| 08:58.25 | MJ | liable: software |
| 08:58.43 | MJ | liable: this is a Dell PowerEdge; no real RAID |
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| 08:59.11 | fireba11 | MJ: did 2 software raid on sarge netinstall last week .. both with grub |
| 08:59.16 | MJ | fireba11: hmmm, perhaps this isn't the latest. |
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| 08:59.43 | saloxin | fireba11: cool. /me makes mental note on grub and sw raid :) |
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| 09:00.15 | fireba11 | saloxin: also you can set it up in installer .. only thing you need to do is install grub on 2nd hd manually to be able to boot from that one too |
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| 09:00.55 | tcsetattr | and hopefully convince the BIOS to try the second drive automatically if the first one is dead? |
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| 09:01.29 | fireba11 | saloxin: only thing i dodn't manage is to keep it running when a HD fails .. it requires a reboot .. but was in a bit of a hurry so will try again next time |
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| 09:02.04 | saloxin | fireba11: hotswap scsi in hardware raid truly rocks |
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| 09:02.53 | gordotron | how do I run a binary file? |
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| 09:03.02 | gordotron | I type it's name correct? |
| 09:03.05 | saloxin | gordotron: ./filename |
| 09:03.15 | lucasjb | gordotron, chmod 0755 ./file && ./file |
| 09:03.26 | fireba11 | saloxin: i uses SATA software raid though |
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| 09:03.35 | sep | fireba11, that's often hardware related. not uncommon that the ide bus locks when a drive fails. you can better your chance somewhat by keeping only 1 master alone on each ide channel. But even then you might experience that |
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| 09:04.04 | kevix | gordotron, did you type the absolute or the relative path? |
| 09:04.06 | RainbowW | is * a legal password character? |
| 09:04.25 | Rawplayer | try it |
| 09:04.27 | saloxin | RainbowW: hehe password is ******* ;-) |
| 09:04.34 | fireba11 | sep: it's hotswap .. so it HAS to be able to do that |
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| 09:04.43 | jm_ | RainbowW: why wouldn't it be? |
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| 09:04.45 | RainbowW | this isn't my box, i can't go jacking with the passwords like that. |
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| 09:04.54 | sep | fireba11, then it better yes :) |
| 09:05.17 | gordotron | nothing happened when I typed that |
| 09:05.26 | gordotron | it's the nvidia installer |
| 09:05.35 | sep | !nvidia |
| 09:05.37 | dpkg | nvidia is, like, DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 09:05.37 | fireba11 | sep: i also heared of ppl who got it working .. just was lacking the time to investigate proberly |
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| 09:06.06 | sep | !tell gordotron about nvidia one liner |
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| 09:07.12 | gordotron | I've tried that one-liner and it says there is something missing from my sources.list file, possibly contrib and the non-free archives/sources |
| 09:07.17 | gordotron | how do I fix that? |
| 09:07.35 | SimonRaven | SlayerXP: hi, long time no see. doing well? |
| 09:07.48 | sep | gordotron, read the last sentence of the nvidia one liner factoid |
| 09:07.56 | SlayerXP | SimonRaven: passing well, thanks. and yourself? |
| 09:07.58 | gordotron | thanks |
| 09:08.11 | MJ | (I love the ssh option) |
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| 09:08.16 | SimonRaven | SlayerXP: doing ok, good things happening |
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| 09:08.38 | kevix | gordotron, use 'module-assistant' ! |
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| 09:09.08 | anakinskywalker | how can i put the apache services in the daemon to make in automatic? |
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| 09:09.28 | bob2 | apache will run automatically when installed |
| 09:09.34 | anakinskywalker | its not |
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| 09:09.58 | sep | anakinskywalker, does to, (if you install it the debian way) |
| 09:10.06 | anakinskywalker | how |
| 09:10.13 | anakinskywalker | that's i want to know |
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| 09:10.23 | sep | i do it with aptitude install apache2 |
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| 09:10.46 | anakinskywalker | how? |
| 09:10.56 | SimonRaven | he just said how. sheesh |
| 09:11.00 | sep | you might want to install aditional packages to get stuff like php etc etc depending on your needs |
| 09:11.22 | mylanta | jm_ finally got a loop.ko by trying every possible method from every possible /usr/src/kernel-* subdirectory. I wouldnt be suprised if I had screwed this debian installation coz I entered a lot of commands that made changes :( |
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| 09:11.26 | gordotron | what's the command to edit apt-get's sources? |
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| 09:11.40 | SimonRaven | sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:11.41 | jm_ | mylanta: have you considered using dm-crypt instead? |
| 09:11.41 | cplx | vi /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 09:11.43 | sep | gordotron, just edit it with your fac text editor |
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| 09:13.26 | gordotron | nope not just the location of the file because I don't know the names of any of the mirrors |
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| 09:13.42 | gordotron | there is a utility which knows them all and allows you to select them |
| 09:13.50 | anakinskywalker | apache |
| 09:13.52 | SimonRaven | apt-setup |
| 09:14.01 | sep | gordotron, use the apt-setup tool |
| 09:14.13 | gordotron | that's it apt-setup thanks very much |
| 09:14.24 | MJ | Thanks ppl, newer installer offers GRUB just fine |
| 09:14.54 | fireba11 | MJ: no problem .. you knwo how to set up software raid in installer ? |
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| 09:15.12 | anakinskywalker | help |
| 09:15.26 | mylanta | jm_ yes but the device-mapper.dm-crypt mailing list reports grave problems (http://eprint.iacr.org/2005/271) |
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| 09:15.33 | fireba11 | anakinskywalker: what are you trying to do ? |
| 09:15.36 | zakame | ehlo all |
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| 09:15.45 | anakinskywalker | put into the daemon |
| 09:15.51 | anakinskywalker | the apache services |
| 09:15.57 | anakinskywalker | i already installed it |
| 09:16.07 | MJ | fireba11: yup |
| 09:16.10 | ircdevil | anakinskywalker: reinstall apache - your problem may have arised during upgrade |
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| 09:16.15 | MJ | fireba11: no problems there |
| 09:16.17 | anakinskywalker | but it seems i how command it every time i want to run it |
| 09:16.19 | MJ | (so far) |
| 09:16.36 | anakinskywalker | i just follow wants said in the README |
| 09:16.48 | kevix | if anybody wanted to know: freebox is a FR box that inputs asdl and contains setbox like features incluing adsl,voip and tv. freeplayer connects to freebox and can 'program it'. |
| 09:16.55 | sep | anakinskywalker, if you installed from sources and intend to keep it that way, use man update-rc.d, if you want to do it the debian way run as root in a shell 'aptitude install apache2' |
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| 09:17.57 | jm_ | mylanta: and you think the same isn't true for loop-aes? |
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| 09:18.13 | petemc | kevix: it looks like freebox isnt free, doesnt that make it just a box |
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| 09:18.52 | kevix | petemc, dont know. I didnt name it x-) |
| 09:19.29 | kevix | petemc, did you think FR was free , its 'french' |
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| 09:20.14 | petemc | kevix: no, FREEbox |
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| 09:20.23 | petemc | but thanks for clearing that up... |
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| 09:21.31 | Whitman | How can I run something at login to X? I use fluxbox and gdm and I've tried putting commands in both .xinitrc and .xsession but they both get ignored on login. |
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| 09:21.50 | jm_ | GDM has Debian session which honours .xsession |
| 09:22.31 | Spellbound_BTD | Hola a todos. Me he puesto Debian pero tengo la ADSL desconfigurada. Alguien me podr?a ayudar a configurarla? |
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| 09:22.37 | mylanta | jm_ it probably is, but dm-crypt is specifically mentioned and what other choices have I/we got? |
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| 09:23.17 | jm_ | mylanta: these are all the cache-based attacks documented several months ago |
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| 09:23.51 | SlayerXP | cache-based attacks are a remarkably poor attack vector |
| 09:23.53 | Whitman | .xsession isn't getting used no matter what session i pick in gdm |
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| 09:24.25 | Spellbound_BTD | Alguien que hable castellano y me pueda ayudar? |
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| 09:24.27 | caphuso | and changing from a vulnerable dm-crypt AES to a vulnerable loop-aes AES doesn't help a lot either |
| 09:24.28 | jm_ | it was for me the only time I helped someone with GDM here |
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| 09:24.50 | jm_ | here as in our workplace, not #debian |
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| 09:25.14 | Whitman | hmm |
| 09:25.27 | jm_ | Whitman: check the GDM session scripts, see what they do |
| 09:25.46 | kevix | Spellbound_BTD, ppoeconf ? |
| 09:26.12 | kevix | Spellbound_BTD, pppoeconf ? opps. |
| 09:26.20 | Spellbound_BTD | kevin... esto... es la primera vez que uso Debian y no s? ni qu ees eso xD |
| 09:26.29 | caphuso | Spellbound_BTD: speak english |
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| 09:26.43 | caphuso | or try #debian-es |
| 09:26.55 | ricky_clarkson | Spellbound_BTD: por favor usen |
| 09:26.59 | kevix | caphuso, easy for you to say x-) |
| 09:26.59 | Azar | !es |
| 09:26.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:27.00 | gordotron | module-assistant, error message: Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. |
| 09:27.02 | ricky_clarkson | #debian-es por espanol. |
| 09:27.04 | Spellbound_BTD | I don't know anything of Debian, and I need help about the config of ADSL |
| 09:27.18 | caphuso | kevix: yes |
| 09:27.29 | ricky_clarkson | Spellbound_BTD: Have you got root access? |
| 09:27.35 | gordotron | that happened when I tried to follow the command that dpkg told me to try |
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| 09:27.35 | Spellbound_BTD | Yes |
| 09:27.36 | ricky_clarkson | Spellbound_BTD: How?! |
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| 09:28.11 | Spellbound_BTD | What? |
| 09:28.31 | MJ | Correction |
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| 09:28.43 | MJ | New installer also removes the GRUB option |
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| 09:29.03 | antgel | Spellbound_BTD: ok, tell us what documentation you've read, and what you've tried so far to get this working |
| 09:29.05 | MJ | once the Software raid is configured and the base install is set up |
| 09:29.08 | MJ | darn |
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| 09:29.28 | gordotron | !pal antgel |
| 09:29.41 | Azar | lilo is not so bad... |
| 09:29.48 | zvn | who needs 100 dpi X fonts -- what hardware has 100 dpi display resolution? |
| 09:29.56 | Spellbound_BTD | I don't read anything. There is some page in Internet for this? |
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| 09:29.58 | antgel | zvn: screens |
| 09:30.03 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 09:30.40 | antgel | that's a qotd, but i can't be bothered |
| 09:30.58 | MJ | Hmmmmm |
| 09:31.12 | MJ | I went to the partition menu |
| 09:31.15 | MJ | backed out |
| 09:31.19 | MJ | and GRUB is back |
| 09:31.20 | saloxin | any recommendations for mediumscale backup systems on debian (20-100 systems) |
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| 09:32.18 | Azar | Spellbound_BTD: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 09:32.30 | fireba11 | MJ: sounds more like a bug in installer right now ^^ |
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| 09:32.32 | Spellbound_BTD | thanks you |
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| 09:32.36 | Esaj | are there any free alternatives to VMWare? |
| 09:32.37 | antgel | saloxin: be less vague |
| 09:32.40 | della | hi, apt pinning question |
| 09:32.43 | aizak | can't compile mplayer after upgrading to latest unstable |
| 09:32.45 | antgel | Esaj: qemu |
| 09:32.46 | MJ | But selecting the grub option loads the partitioner. |
| 09:33.00 | antgel | aizak: use marillat |
| 09:33.01 | Esaj | antgel: thanks |
| 09:33.19 | della | which part of a sources.list line does Pin: release a=xxx look for in preferences |
| 09:33.20 | fireba11 | okay guys .. will take my break now :-) bbl |
| 09:33.21 | MJ | Obviously the 'detecting filesystems' part fails for GRUB. |
| 09:33.21 | della | ? |
| 09:33.35 | saloxin | antgel: hehe. diskbased, full+incremental.. flexbackup looks cute |
| 09:33.51 | MJ | Ah, nothing mounted in /target |
| 09:34.01 | aizak | antgel: ok |
| 09:34.03 | zvn | saloxin: tar |
| 09:34.15 | zvn | saloxin, and NFS share |
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| 09:34.28 | antgel | saloxin: mondo is the kids' latest squeeze. or rsync |
| 09:34.45 | saloxin | zvn: true. although incrementals are difficult. rsync -e ssh prefered over nfs |
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| 09:35.14 | saloxin | antgel: mondo looks interesting |
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| 09:35.15 | MJ | "The kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/md/0 |
| 09:35.22 | MJ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:35.40 | gordotron | When I followed dpkg's instructions this error resulted: module-assistant, error message: Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. |
| 09:36.03 | gordotron | contrib and non-free archives are specified |
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| 09:37.43 | antgel | gordotron: did you update?q |
| 09:37.57 | mylanta | SlayerXP, I visualise running a business, the most likely attacker being an guru employee who later steels the machine in order to access business sensitive info, source code etc. |
| 09:38.00 | gordotron | apt-get update? |
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| 09:38.15 | antgel | gordotron: yes |
| 09:38.24 | asmodaiii | hi all |
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| 09:38.37 | kevix | gordotron, not all mirrors have control and non-free. |
| 09:38.44 | MJ | Err file: sarge/main grub 0.95+cvs20040624-17 |
| 09:38.44 | MJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.44 | MJ | Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/pool/main/g/grub/grub_0.95+cvs20040624-17_i386.deb File not found |
| 09:38.52 | kevix | gordotron, s/control/contrib/ |
| 09:38.57 | MJ | Indeed, there is no /cdrom/pool... |
| 09:39.08 | MJ | Grr |
| 09:39.33 | gordotron | yup thanks very much |
| 09:39.35 | MJ | erm, there is |
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| 09:39.43 | gordotron | I did update recently, but not before I changed my mirrors |
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| 09:40.16 | gordotron | err, not since I changed my mirrors |
| 09:40.19 | antgel | gordotron: please read the apt howto |
| 09:40.56 | gordotron | antgel I do intend to |
| 09:41.29 | antgel | gordotron: no, read it now. or before you ask. |
| 09:41.43 | gordotron | define "howto"? |
| 09:41.45 | antgel | how do i see who wrote a factoid? |
| 09:42.05 | caphuso | antgel: /msg dpkg factinfo foo |
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| 09:42.16 | antgel | gordotron: how are you intending to read it if you don't know what it is? /msg dpkg apt howto |
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| 09:43.22 | gordotron | antgel I intended to read it by thinking you were referring to it's complete documentation by specifying the term "howto". |
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| 09:45.05 | antgel | !grounding |
| 09:45.06 | dpkg | somebody said grounding was before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto, /msg dpkg docs, /msg dpkg unix lessons |
| 09:45.39 | compguymac | anyone, how do you think debian would run on an ibook? |
| 09:45.48 | compguymac | tried yellowdog, wow that sucked |
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| 09:45.58 | bob2 | what sort of ibook? |
| 09:46.06 | compguymac | ibook G4 |
| 09:46.10 | compguymac | 12" screen |
| 09:46.18 | yang26 | how would i specify to show me only files over 1mb using du |
| 09:46.18 | Guerin | !tell compguymac about laptops |
| 09:46.27 | Guerin | compguymac: also see #debianppc |
| 09:46.28 | bob2 | works great |
| 09:46.34 | aizak | antgel: it doesn't have a version compiled to use libdirectfb-0.9-22(which comes with latest unstable) it needs -20 :( |
| 09:46.34 | bob2 | except no wireless and only one mouse button |
| 09:46.39 | bob2 | yang26: you'd use find, not du for that |
| 09:46.59 | Guerin | yang26: or du, and awk |
| 09:47.00 | compguymac | bob2, what about an external mouse? |
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| 09:47.08 | Guerin | but find is far more sane |
| 09:47.09 | bob2 | compguymac: fine |
| 09:47.12 | compguymac | lol |
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| 09:47.13 | jtza8 | I'm trying to install the mysql-server-4.1 package on an etch system. The file /etc/mysql/debian-start doesn't install, but is listed in the package. Is this a broken package? |
| 09:47.13 | bob2 | still no wireless, tho |
| 09:47.17 | bob2 | and usb wirless is shit |
| 09:47.19 | jm_ | bob2: isn't wireless supported on old models? |
| 09:47.27 | bob2 | jm_: yes, only g3 ones, tho |
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| 09:47.28 | peter2 | hi. im fairly new to linux but im having troubles with console tools ex: open, exec, etc since i installed debian; i dont have the permissions to use them as a standard user, only root. otherwise it says 'cannot get a file descriptor referring to console'. i tried to 'chmod 777 /dev/console' but now i get the error 'unable to open vt 14: permission denied'. anyone have any idea what could be wrong and what i need to change to fix |
| 09:47.40 | antgel | aizak: shouldn't be too long. is usually pretty quickly updated. if you use unstable, that's the down side etc |
| 09:47.57 | aizak | antgel: yeah.. ats ok.. :) |
| 09:47.59 | jm_ | peterS: are you using devfs/udev? |
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| 09:48.04 | jm_ | peter2 ^^^^^ |
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| 09:48.09 | antgel | !tell peter2 about unix lessons |
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| 09:48.41 | aizak | antgel: was wondering if i can help in anyway ? any ideas who's in charge of that ? |
| 09:48.43 | Landslide | is etch now the testing distro? |
| 09:48.47 | bob2 | yes |
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| 09:48.58 | Landslide | are there minicd netinst's available? |
| 09:49.13 | Guerin | Landslide: topic |
| 09:49.32 | Landslide | thanks |
| 09:49.32 | yang26 | bob2: ok, how do i specify that search with find |
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| 09:50.07 | kevix | yang26, 'man find' ? |
| 09:50.08 | Guerin | yang26: man find |
| 09:50.09 | Azar | oh oh, out of topic but good read: http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ |
| 09:50.11 | compguymac | no one seems to be awake in the ppc room, lol |
| 09:50.25 | bob2 | compguymac: what wasn't answered here? |
| 09:50.32 | Guerin | Azar: come on, you really think you need to repost slashdot fodder here? |
| 09:50.39 | compguymac | bob2, how debian would run on an ibook g4 |
| 09:50.47 | Azar | Guerin, I have not taken that from slashdot |
| 09:50.47 | compguymac | if its actually worth it |
| 09:50.49 | ricky_clarkson | compguymac: I idled in the #hibernate channel but they were all asleep. |
| 09:50.51 | Landslide | guerin. nothing about testing... only stable. |
| 09:50.56 | Guerin | Azar: it was on slashdot a couple days ago |
| 09:51.00 | bob2 | compguymac: it runs fine, but you have no wireless or useful mouse |
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| 09:51.05 | Azar | I found it on The Register |
| 09:51.08 | bob2 | compguymac: I liked it a lot more than mac os x |
| 09:51.08 | Guerin | Landslide: use the testing installer and upgrade. |
| 09:51.10 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:51.13 | Guerin | the stable installer |
| 09:51.21 | lucifer | what tool allows me to adjust settings like /proc/sys/net/tcp_wmem if those are read-only? |
| 09:51.29 | anakinskywalker | if i use the aptitude command, it will run in the daemon automatically? |
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| 09:51.36 | lucifer | oh */ipv4/tcp_wmem even |
| 09:51.38 | Guerin | anakinskywalker: wtf? |
| 09:51.46 | Azar | at least now I learned to put my iptables on Reject all |
| 09:51.47 | compguymac | bob2, hmm well if i use an external mouse and i thought its possible to get wireless to work with linux? |
| 09:51.47 | keenboy | hello all. |
| 09:51.49 | yang26 | but find wont show me the size, like du does |
| 09:51.55 | compguymac | kennboy, sup yo |
| 09:51.58 | bob2 | compguymac: not on a g4 |
| 09:52.02 | anakinskywalker | f*** u Guerin |
| 09:52.02 | Azar | so dumb to let them all in Accept |
| 09:52.03 | Landslide | ok |
| 09:52.03 | compguymac | then? |
| 09:52.04 | bob2 | anakinskywalker: of course not |
| 09:52.07 | Landslide | ah ok |
| 09:52.08 | bob2 | anakinskywalker: sudo aptitude install apache2 |
| 09:52.36 | compguymac | bob2, why is that? |
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| 09:52.42 | kevix | yang26, use the exec part to do 'du -m {}' IIRC? |
| 09:52.44 | Guerin | anakinskywalker: your question makes no sense, and you're a fucking idiot to boot. |
| 09:52.47 | bob2 | compguymac: because broadcom are cocks, more or less |
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| 09:53.04 | compguymac | broadcom makes my wireless card? |
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| 09:53.05 | anakinskywalker | GUERIN you're numb |
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| 09:53.09 | bob2 | compguymac: and refuse to document it; it works on i386 linux with ndiswrapper, and there is a binary-only mips linux driver, but nothing for ppc |
| 09:53.14 | bob2 | anakinskywalker: stop being useless, or leave |
| 09:53.21 | bob2 | compguymac: it makes the chipset used in airport extreme, yes |
| 09:53.25 | anakinskywalker | you too also |
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| 09:53.31 | keenboy | Anyone advise me on an apt-get problem? I am getting Error 111 Connection refused when I try to connect, I have tried several new sources via apt-setup but get the same problem. I am running 3.0 Stable Woody. Anyone know why I am getting connection refused please ? |
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| 09:53.50 | MJ | Okay, manually apt-get install grub worked fine |
| 09:53.54 | phellarv | 1 small question can i redirect "apt-get install --reinstall -d <package>" to another dir than the packages cache dir? |
| 09:53.55 | bob2 | keenboy: woody is no longer stable, it's oldstable |
| 09:54.00 | compguymac | keenboy, why not use sarge? |
| 09:54.01 | bob2 | phellarv: yes, man apt.conf |
| 09:54.14 | bob2 | keenboy: try using ftp.debian.org as your mriror |
| 09:54.16 | MJ | But now it complains there is no BIOS drive for the disk |
| 09:54.25 | MJ | Grr |
| 09:54.28 | keenboy | Well I would do dist-upgrade but I can't update as I can;t bring in the sources lists |
| 09:54.37 | compguymac | bob2, there should be something out there for it |
| 09:54.38 | MJ | Coz it is a damn RAID. |
| 09:54.45 | compguymac | bob2, you havent heard of anything for it? |
| 09:55.08 | bob2 | compguymac: no, there's no known linux driver for it |
| 09:55.09 | keenboy | I am trying use ftp.debian.org |
| 09:55.15 | bob2 | keenboy: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 09:55.16 | Guerin | compguymac: what part of "not supported by linux" is unclear to you? |
| 09:55.37 | compguymac | Guerin, did you miss your anfer managnment class today? |
| 09:55.44 | MJ | Damned if I do, damned if I don't; I can't see both drives unless the 'software RAID' option in the BIOS is off. |
| 09:55.46 | compguymac | its just a descussion, hahaha |
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| 09:55.51 | compguymac | anger* |
| 09:55.52 | yang26 | kevix: something like find /home * | du -m 1M |
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| 09:56.02 | MJ | Can't get a BIOS id for the drives if I do. |
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| 09:56.11 | Guerin | compguymac: no, i missed my 'tolerating fucking stupid questions' class this year |
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| 09:56.41 | kevix | yang26, 'man find' look for '-exec' options. |
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| 09:57.05 | Azar | that guy makes a lot of sense, in that article no matter which site published it, is a good article for all |
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| 09:57.14 | compguymac | i find it so funny how people find it usefull to fight in a chatroom, seems like the special olympics is back in season |
| 09:57.19 | keenboy | bob2 - done |
| 09:57.23 | Guerin | Azar: some of it is good, but some of it is a bit dumb itself. |
| 09:57.30 | liable | hah |
| 09:57.44 | Guerin | Azar: for instance, the fact that dumb things 1, 2 and (iirc) 4 are basically the same. |
| 09:57.56 | Azar | Guerin, I believe you, but as a newbie at security I am steering at anything that can teach me |
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| 09:58.25 | bob2 | keenboy: er, which source is giving errors? |
| 09:58.29 | kevix | compguymac, can you keep the humor less offensive please. |
| 09:58.42 | Guerin | compguymac: i find it amazing how people can simply fail to understand plain language |
| 09:58.46 | Azar | the Patching issue is a very cool described, I think he is right |
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| 09:59.23 | keenboy | bob2 all of them |
| 09:59.26 | compguymac | humor less offensive? |
| 09:59.31 | chete | hola |
| 09:59.40 | bob2 | keenboy: that's a local network problem then, wfm |
| 09:59.42 | compguymac | Guerincompguymac: no, i missed my 'tolerating fucking stupid questions' class this year |
| 09:59.44 | chete | el canal de debian en espapa?ol |
| 09:59.50 | liable | hola! |
| 09:59.51 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 09:59.57 | liable | !es |
| 09:59.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:00.00 | keenboy | Here is an error list into #flood |
| 10:00.03 | chete | gracias |
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| 10:00.10 | compguymac | later bitches |
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| 10:00.22 | Guerin | Azar: but on the other hand, he also talks about how he does a lot of his own customisation, and is immune to certain security problems because he simply doesn't run the software which causes them - like openssh. I wonder how he logs in remotely ... of whether he just doesn't bother with that very useful hunk of unix functionality |
| 10:00.23 | Azar | compguymac, please stop criticising Guerin, he helps as best as he can |
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| 10:00.32 | kevix | chete, uso #debian-es si possible. |
| 10:00.37 | Guerin | Azar: you needn't defend me from morons. |
| 10:00.37 | keenboy | thats trying to run apt-setup to configure new source lists |
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| 10:02.25 | Azar | Guerin, somehow I found the guy telling the story the way "sensed" it with the time: personally I stopped trusting all the "nifty" features on a system , out-root services that I felt were unneccessary or easily exploitable, maybe I am paranoic but I do not want stupid internet menaces on my machine. |
| 10:02.52 | yang26 | kevix: i am not good in understanding those settings in man - find /home -size 1M | grep du -sh |
| 10:02.52 | keenboy | bob2 - just done a couple of tests, yep i think your right it looks like a network issue. |
| 10:02.54 | Azar | ... instead of patching, I disabled or removed the weeds. |
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| 10:03.37 | liable | keenboy: first addy works for me, look at your router/firewall/network... |
| 10:04.08 | Guerin | Azar: there's a lot to be said for running a minimal system, but there's also a lot to be said for accepting security risks as inevitable and keeping an eye on them. I can't do without openssh, for instance. And I' m not about to write my own minimal httpd simply to avoid potential apache bugs in the future. |
| 10:04.15 | libra24 | halooo |
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| 10:06.07 | Azar | Guerin, now that you said it, I have configured ssh and ftp in the IPtables to be usable only for a few trusted adresses, everything else is denied by default. I am just starting learning stuff.. but ofcourse if you run a full blown server.. |
| 10:07.37 | chete | hello how to install printers server withou x system with cups |
| 10:07.40 | chete | ?? |
| 10:07.54 | Guerin | Azar: well, i don't have that luxury, either. I need to be able to connect from a whole lot of arbitrary machines on different networks. |
| 10:08.00 | liable | an editor? |
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| 10:08.21 | antgel | chete: tell us what docs you have read and what you have tried so far, and what the errors were |
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| 10:08.47 | Guerin | chete: check linuxprinting.org |
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| 10:09.25 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: #eclipse is buzzing :9 |
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| 10:09.59 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I hope that's sarcasm, because I haven't heard of any actual activity on there in years. |
| 10:10.16 | Azar | Guerin, I see.. no choice there, for me the most horrible word "remote". But when you need it, you need it.. |
| 10:10.22 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: yeah. my right bracket is mapped to digit 9 for some reason |
| 10:11.05 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I used the ant builder setup only the other day and I found it easy enough. |
| 10:11.17 | antgel | Azar: pleae bear in mind that with security, it is possible to get to the point where getting the last 5% of tightness may take many times longer than restoring a backup |
| 10:11.27 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Tell it where build.xml is (god knows why it doesn't already know), and which target[s] to build. |
| 10:11.41 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Oddly enough though, it seemed to require a restart of Eclipse before it did anything useful. |
| 10:12.01 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: and you want me to _use_ this? :9 |
| 10:12.06 | kevix | yang26, find -size 1M -exec du -m {} \; |
| 10:12.45 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: How experienced at Java are you? |
| 10:13.08 | Guerin | all in all, there's no such thing as cutting out all risk when it comes to security. Locking everything down and forgetting about it because "it's secure" is as bad as leaving things a bit looser and keep an eye on them. |
| 10:13.18 | Azar | antgel, I would rather reinstall than trust even a backup |
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| 10:13.24 | ricky_clarkson | Can I put a comment *within* an XML tag? |
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| 10:13.36 | Guerin | Azar: then you need a better backup strategy |
| 10:13.45 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: i don't believe so. |
| 10:13.45 | ricky_clarkson | <blah <!-- ignore this for now --> stuff="stuff"/> |
| 10:14.48 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: since uni, i have done no java. |
| 10:15.03 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: is don't think that is valid XML |
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| 10:15.20 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: because < and > are not allowed characters within element definitions. |
| 10:15.22 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Then I would recommend NOT to use an IDE. |
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| 10:15.36 | Azar | Guerin, if Id back up that would be base system only I cannot trust any trash I could download from the net. |
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| 10:15.42 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: whatever you say *grin* |
| 10:15.51 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: There are standalone debuggers (although I must admit to not having much luck with those). |
| 10:15.54 | Azar | even so I could not tell if the base system wasnt tampered with |
| 10:16.02 | xst | Can I somehow tell sshd that it should totally block an IP-address if more than, say 10, wrong username/password combinations has been tried out from that IP? |
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| 10:16.10 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: jedit might be an editor that appeals to you more, dunno. |
| 10:16.18 | Coke | antgel: I use Debian, it is the best IDE I've ever used! |
| 10:16.30 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: my only motivation was because jdb was killing me from the command line |
| 10:16.40 | antgel | Coke: i'm fully aware of that etc |
| 10:16.43 | RichiH | vim + decent syntax highlighting is all you need :) |
| 10:16.47 | Guerin | xst: there are ways of blacklisting them, yeah. I think it requires a patched sshd, but i'm not 100% - there's a discussion of this on the BTS, i think under sshd |
| 10:16.49 | rixth | Is there an MSN client that supports video (cam) conversations |
| 10:16.52 | Coke | Debian has your choice of free editor, programming language and all related utilities. |
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| 10:17.11 | jm_ | xst: there are PAM modules for this, then there's iptables' RECENT module |
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| 10:17.17 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: Again, I agree entirely, about jdb. |
| 10:17.18 | antgel | ok will people please stop telling me to use debian and good tools. dont |
| 10:17.22 | antgel | worry |
| 10:17.28 | Guerin | rixth: gaim-vv might; gnomemeeting will do h.323, which MS netmeeting can talk. |
| 10:17.37 | yang26 | can i remove *.bmp files out of /boot I am running out of space? |
| 10:17.57 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: I tried ODB, which promises to be able to step BACKWARDS too. Unfortunately it was an unusable pile of shite. |
| 10:18.04 | Azar | yang26 the bmp files are your X window logos |
| 10:18.08 | rixth | Guerin, I was looking at gaim-vv earlier, MSN no longer works. Hmmm, I'll check out gnomemeeting. What ports do I need to forward? |
| 10:18.10 | Guerin | rixth: but MSN messenger uses a purposefully obfuscated modified h.323 protocol, which is explicitly designed to not be interoperable, so YMMV. |
| 10:18.26 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: perhaps when java matures into a proper language there will be tools that don't make me puke ;9 |
| 10:18.30 | kevix | yang26, how about 'apt-get autoclean'. read 'man apt' before doing it. |
| 10:18.30 | Guerin | rixth: whichever ones you use, i believe it's configurable, but I don't really know. |
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| 10:18.41 | rixth | Guerin, thank you! |
| 10:18.51 | Guerin | rixth: omg ur welcum lol |
| 10:18.57 | jm_ | Azar: bullshit, they're used by lilo/GRUB as splash images |
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| 10:19.40 | Azar | jm_ sorry, I thought they are startup screens for X |
| 10:19.40 | rixth | Guerin, hah. (Okay, now I feel bad for always 'slagging off' at you), sorry, I feel like a dick!) |
| 10:19.40 | Guerin | yang26: yeah, or replace them with 1-pixel bitmaps if lilo/grub complains |
| 10:19.42 | Guerin | rixth: don't be a dick and you won't feel like one |
| 10:19.43 | Coke | yang26: remove images and edit your boot loader config not to use splash screens |
| 10:19.46 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: It's fairly mature. The best IDE is supposedly IDEA. You can try it for no money, and you can use the beta versions for no money. |
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| 10:20.15 | kevix | yang26, /boot is not a big directory. if that is full, you have more serious problems. |
| 10:20.22 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:20.25 | xst | Guerin, jm_ : Thanks |
| 10:20.25 | Coke | antgel: the problem with Java is not maturity, it's stupidity. it has too much stupidity. |
| 10:20.32 | claviceps | yang26: tried removing temporary files from your browser? |
| 10:20.33 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: i was being sarcastic. it's a joke that a language that's been around for so long and thinks it's industrial, has tools suitable for 6-year-old prodigies |
| 10:20.35 | Guerin | he might have it on its own partition |
| 10:20.47 | Azar | curious thing I too got those .bmp files in /boot even if I have no X installed... |
| 10:20.49 | yang26 | claviceps: browser? |
| 10:20.53 | jm_ | dunno, /boot is fairly large for me at home ;) |
| 10:21.14 | Coke | yang26: how is your filesystem configured regarding partitions? |
| 10:21.19 | yang26 | kevix: i am trying to install new initrd image and it takes 4mb, my /boot is just 6mb |
| 10:21.27 | kevix | Azar, /boot is about 'booting' nothing to do with X windows! |
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| 10:21.37 | Guerin | yang26: wtf |
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| 10:21.44 | Guerin | yang26: wy did you make it so small? |
| 10:21.49 | Guerin | wHy |
| 10:21.51 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: Same here, but you Southern-hemisphericals probably have different sizes to us. |
| 10:21.54 | Azar | kevix, doesn't /boot contain anything that should be booted at startup? |
| 10:21.54 | jm_ | haha 6M and using initrd, useful |
| 10:21.59 | kevix | yang26, do you have more than 1 kernel installed? |
| 10:22.16 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: nope, I reckon we use the same size. US size is one larger, so I'm a US 12 |
| 10:22.19 | yang26 | Guerin: becouse the old 2.2 kernels used about 1mb |
| 10:22.24 | jm_ | just move /boot to / and forget about the partition |
| 10:22.30 | Azar | yet, I haven't ever seen a coffee.bmp image when I bootup |
| 10:22.37 | Coke | yang26: you can boot your initrd image anywhere you'd like, just make sure your kernel knows about it. |
| 10:22.51 | kevix | Azar, you do not need X windows to boot a computer. |
| 10:23.16 | Azar | kevix, I know, I was just wondering why .bmp images in /boot when I do not see any? |
| 10:23.39 | Coke | Azar: do you have bitmap files in your /boot ? |
| 10:23.46 | Guerin | Azar: JESUSFUCKINGCHRIST |
| 10:23.58 | Guerin | Azar: it's because you haven't CHOSEN to see them |
| 10:24.12 | Azar | thank you Guerin |
| 10:24.31 | Azar | I just asked a question, stupid as is I wanted to figure this thing out |
| 10:24.33 | Coke | Guerin: are there any kernel packages that includes images in Debian? |
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| 10:24.41 | Guerin | Coke: no idea. |
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| 10:24.45 | kevix | Azar, I have a debian.bmp,sarge.bmp,... |
| 10:24.45 | Azar | please, don't get upset on me on such a small issue |
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| 10:24.57 | Azar | yes, kevix |
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| 10:25.25 | Coke | Azar: we are the dicks of this channel. we flame retarded newbies faster than you can tie a knot. :) |
| 10:25.26 | Guerin | Azar: the reason was inferred above. |
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| 10:25.48 | Azar | Coke, I am used to Guerin, I am not feeling offended |
| 10:25.56 | Coke | What? |
| 10:25.58 | antgel | *chuckle* |
| 10:26.09 | Coke | That means Guerin isn't doing his part well enough. |
| 10:26.24 | antgel | s/Guerin/greycat |
| 10:26.26 | Azar | Coke, no he is doing a gread job here |
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| 10:26.58 | antgel | Azar: you missed the sarcasm |
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| 10:27.28 | hyperstream | how do i quit and write changes in vi ... isnt it :!q |
| 10:27.28 | Azar | in fact, the more he hmm hmm well yells at me, the more stimulus I get to learn |
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| 10:27.39 | kevix | yang26, if you dont use the 2.2 then you can delete it assumming you have a 2.4 ? |
| 10:27.40 | antgel | hyperstream: ZZ or :wq or RTFM |
| 10:27.47 | Azar | hyperstream install vim then run vimtutor |
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| 10:27.51 | Coke | Azar: it's called tough loving. |
| 10:27.58 | liable | hyperstream: 'vim tutorial' |
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| 10:28.07 | antgel | Azar: do you know what masochism is? |
| 10:28.10 | Morphje | i really don't get this. I have a default install of proftpd with an umask of 022 in it's config (which should be owner and group writeable), but when i upload an file it's only owner writeable |
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| 10:28.20 | bassM | how do I install gd-graphics library? I tried to apt-get libgd2 and it installed libfreetype6 libgd2 libgd2-noxpm. But jinzora setup (php-script) still claims there is no gd support... |
| 10:28.21 | Coke | hyperstream: have you tried :q! ? |
| 10:28.27 | yang26 | kevix: no, i only have 2.2 |
| 10:28.28 | kevix | hyperstream, I use the shortcut 'ZZ' |
| 10:28.30 | claviceps | how can i find out from which repositroy a package gets used? |
| 10:28.32 | Coke | hyperstream: oh, AND wriet.. w! |
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| 10:28.34 | Azar | antgel, I know, but if you insinuate that, you are wrong, I am growing up learning to listen.. |
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| 10:28.55 | Guerin | Morphje: many ftpds have different default umasks for different user levels or different dirs. Check. |
| 10:28.59 | liable | claviceps: aptitude show package |
| 10:29.11 | claviceps | k |
| 10:29.11 | antgel | Azar: again, you missed the sarcasm. you need to learn about it so that you can use it instead of humour like me |
| 10:29.12 | kevix | yang26, I think moving /boot as someone else said would be the best idea. |
| 10:29.19 | Morphje | Guerin: it's the default umask in the config, no other umasks set |
| 10:29.42 | yang26 | kevix: do i need to change entries in /etc/fstab? |
| 10:29.59 | Morphje | Guerin: or could it be that uploaded files get permissions set in the system configs ? |
| 10:30.04 | hyperstream | hmm when ever i try to ssh into a box. it dosnt let me type a username. just says enter password for hyper@blah |
| 10:30.06 | kevix | yang26, I guess /etc/fstab and /etc/lilo.conf ... |
| 10:30.10 | Guerin | Morphje: there may be default umasks set in absence of a complete config file. |
| 10:30.14 | hyperstream | when i dont want it to auto choose hyper as my login |
| 10:30.15 | yang26 | kevix: or i can just mv /boot /home and then ln -s /home/boot /boot ? |
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| 10:30.39 | Coke | hyperstream: ssh [user@]<host>[:path] |
| 10:30.40 | Guerin | hyperstream: ssh user@host |
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| 10:30.46 | Coke | hyperstream: sorry, user@host |
| 10:30.52 | hyperstream | thanks |
| 10:30.57 | kevix | yang26, that is not LSB compliant. |
| 10:31.05 | Coke | hyperstream: the first one was for scp |
| 10:31.10 | hyperstream | ahhh |
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| 10:31.22 | Morphje | Guerin: it's just the default config :) always worked for me, but in this case i want other users to have group writeable acces |
| 10:31.43 | Guerin | Morphje: no idea, then. I use vsftpd. |
| 10:31.49 | Morphje | and there is a umask directive in the config |
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| 10:32.04 | Morphje | Guerin: no prob :) i'll just keep lookiing then :) |
| 10:32.17 | jm_ | Morphje: 022 is owner writable only |
| 10:32.23 | BobbyGrace | I am looking for a c# editor for linux, any recommendations ? |
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| 10:32.36 | Coke | BobbyGrace: GNU emacs or vim |
| 10:32.37 | kevix | BobbyGrace, vim? |
| 10:32.40 | Morphje | jm_: euhmmmm .... what is the correct umask then ? |
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| 10:32.47 | jm_ | Morphje: 002 obviously |
| 10:32.48 | Azar | jm_ by chance did you see what exit description I had? trying to figure out my connection |
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| 10:32.53 | Coke | BobbyGrace: interrested in other recommendations? |
| 10:32.55 | BobbyGrace | Coke: ok. smooth |
| 10:32.59 | BobbyGrace | wure do |
| 10:33.00 | Morphje | jm_: offcourse |
| 10:33.04 | jm_ | Azar: won't help you much -- *** Signoff: Azar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 10:33.04 | Morphje | :/ |
| 10:33.16 | Azar | thank you, was local jm_ |
| 10:33.16 | BobbyGrace | Coke: some prog named moon ? |
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| 10:33.25 | Coke | BobbyGrace: no, my recommendation would be to skip C# |
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| 10:33.43 | Azar | thank you all, and good night/morning :) |
| 10:33.53 | yang26 | kevix: seems that it just fits inside.../dev/hda1 7776 7684 0 100% /boot |
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| 10:34.10 | Guerin | yang26: 0 free == bad |
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| 10:34.34 | kevix | BobbyGrace, monodevelop |
| 10:34.39 | Guerin | the chances that your file is exactly the size of the volume are remote, and it's likely to have been truncated |
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| 10:36.06 | yang26 | Guerin: if i delete lost+find directory from /boot i can get 20k extra free |
| 10:36.13 | jm_ | wow 20k! |
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| 10:36.21 | Guerin | hay big spender! |
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| 10:36.34 | Guerin | yang26: still, that's because the file you copied has been truncated. |
| 10:36.35 | jm_ | you'll get several bytes by removing unecessary blank lines in your boot loader's config file! |
| 10:36.37 | yang26 | I am dealing with small disk here |
| 10:36.37 | js_ | yang26: im listening to a track called "lost and found", how big is the chance of that? |
| 10:36.38 | kevix | yang26, I'd move /boot to / |
| 10:36.50 | Coke | yang26: I think you should redo the installation |
| 10:36.55 | kevix | yang26, is this an embedded system ? |
| 10:36.57 | Guerin | yang26: just put the whole dammn shop in / and remove the /boot line from fstab |
| 10:37.05 | Guerin | Coke: going too far |
| 10:37.24 | Guerin | js_: any relation to jm_ ? |
| 10:37.34 | jm_ | no ;) |
| 10:37.39 | js_ | no :) |
| 10:37.40 | Coke | yang26: OK, dont reinstall, but repartition or just mount everything at / |
| 10:37.41 | Guerin | my brain hurts |
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| 10:38.01 | js_ | except that we're 66% the same |
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| 10:38.23 | Guerin | js_: one of you must be the other's uncle or aunt |
| 10:38.25 | Coke | jm_: if that is true, what is jm_'s favorite breakfast serial? |
| 10:38.25 | SpamHog | yang26: also, use ext3 for small partitions... the default reiserfs journal etc. are space hogs |
| 10:38.31 | Guerin | or cousin or ... aargh |
| 10:38.34 | js_ | Guerin: hehe |
| 10:38.41 | Guerin | SpamHog: ext2 |
| 10:38.42 | yang26 | ok this is a line from /etc/fstab |
| 10:38.43 | yang26 | /dev/hda3 / ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 10:38.52 | yang26 | /dev/hda1 /boot ext2 defaults 0 2 |
| 10:39.04 | SpamHog | Guerin: even better... |
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| 10:39.10 | Coke | yang26: if you have a very small disk it could be unwise to have many partitions. |
| 10:39.26 | Guerin | yang26: just put everything from the /boot partition in the /boot DIR on /, and remove that line |
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| 10:39.31 | looneybird_77590 | i just switched out the video card on computer. its stuck at a command prompt. whats the command line i enter to get it to reconfigure? |
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| 10:39.39 | SpamHog | yang26: how small is the HD? |
| 10:39.44 | redcliffe | hi all - how do you concatenate strings in bash? i'm trying to make a filename including a date value like foo2005-09-16-10-02 etc, so i have a variable containing my date, just need to add it to the foo |
| 10:39.46 | yang26 | 1.3gb |
| 10:39.47 | Guerin | !drxx looneybird_77590 |
| 10:39.48 | dpkg | looneybird_77590: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:40.02 | bob2 | redcliffe: echo foo$(date) |
| 10:40.44 | SpamHog | looneybird_77590: you meant "switched off", not misconfigured, right? |
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| 10:41.01 | SpamHog | looneybird_77590: try alt-F7 |
| 10:41.13 | Guerin | SpamHog: what? |
| 10:41.14 | yang26 | Coke: so i change line in /etc/fstab to /dev/hda1 / ext2 ? |
| 10:41.30 | Coke | yang26: if you have only one partition, sure. |
| 10:41.38 | redcliffe | bob2: OUTPUTNAME=IDR501$(DATE) <- do you mean like this because that just puts out "IDR501" |
| 10:41.39 | kevix | SpamHog, if it does not use the same driver, X would not come up. so he's at the command prompt. |
| 10:41.43 | yang26 | Coke: no i have 3... |
| 10:41.49 | SpamHog | Guerin: ....assuming he got into a non-X terminal with X still running |
| 10:41.51 | Guerin | yang26: just REMOVE THE LINE |
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| 10:42.03 | bob2 | redcliffe: "DATE" is not a valid command |
| 10:42.05 | SpamHog | ah! |
| 10:42.10 | Guerin | yang26: and move the contents of the /boot partition to the /boot DIRECTORY on / |
| 10:42.11 | Czar_Net | Good morning |
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| 10:42.12 | bob2 | all those caps make my eyes bleed |
| 10:42.14 | Czar_Net | necessary of one program that connects linux in windows, with more than a usuario with simultaneos accesses |
| 10:42.14 | Coke | yang26: yes, my suggestion was that you only have one, big partition for your entire system if your disk is very small. |
| 10:42.15 | redcliffe | bob2: well DATE is the name of my variable |
| 10:42.16 | kevix | redcliffe, lowercase ! |
| 10:42.17 | Guerin | come on, where are the rockets...? |
| 10:42.19 | yang26 | Guerin: how will then /dev/hda1 mount if i remove the line...? |
| 10:42.30 | bob2 | redcliffe: then you'r using it wrong |
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| 10:42.35 | kneet | Want to switch out a small disk with a larger one. The old disk (hda) contains 3 partitions - root (including boot), swap and a partition for lvm (the lvm group is partly here and partly on hdb). Was thinking of booting with a livecd then using parted or something similar to move the partitions across - but - what about the boot record - it will need to point to the grub install files - how best to do this? |
| 10:42.36 | redcliffe | bob2: yeah i figured that |
| 10:42.36 | bob2 | redcliffe: $DATE is what you want |
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| 10:42.44 | Guerin | SpamHog: i can't think why you'd assume that given that he just switched out the video card and presumably rebooted |
| 10:42.50 | yang26 | Guerin: i dont understand sorry |
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| 10:43.54 | SpamHog | Guerin: it's because I was mistaken - that's scientifically proven |
| 10:43.56 | Guerin | yang26: mkdir /fakeboot && cp /boot/* /fakeboot && umount /boot && mv /fakeboot/* /boot |
| 10:43.57 | redcliffe | bob2: thanks that works |
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| 10:44.19 | Guerin | yang26: then remove that /boot line from fstab, and remove the empty /fakeboot dir |
| 10:44.26 | yang26 | ok |
| 10:44.30 | Czar_Net | yang26, it can help me? |
| 10:44.34 | bob2 | redcliffe: $(blah) gets replaced by the output of the command "blah" |
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| 10:44.49 | Gavrila | is here anyone who knows a little about message queues use in unix systems? |
| 10:44.51 | Coke | kneet: chroot to your new system root and reinstall your bootloader |
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| 10:45.25 | kevix | Czar_Net, russian ? spanish? |
| 10:45.29 | SpamHog | Guerin: can yang26 "grow" the main partition and eat up the /boot partition? I always shrank them, never grew them... |
| 10:45.32 | kneet | Coke, OK - thanks - not played with chroot before - good excuse to try it out :) |
| 10:45.35 | looneybird_77590 | actually still here. using other pc right now while trying to set this 1 up with different card |
| 10:45.57 | Czar_Net | kevix, brazil |
| 10:46.07 | kevix | looneybird_77590, what kind of video card do you have? |
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| 10:47.04 | redcliffe | bob2: ah ok thanks |
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| 10:47.28 | looneybird_77590 | just took nvidia out. peein me off. putting a diamond speedstar back in |
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| 10:47.54 | Czar_Net | help me please |
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| 10:48.41 | yang26 | Guerin: hmmm umount /boot/ |
| 10:48.41 | yang26 | umount: /boot: device is busy |
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| 10:49.03 | Coke | Hm. Is there a way to search in the IRSSI buffer using regexps? |
| 10:49.04 | SpamHog | Czar_Net: Samba? |
| 10:49.19 | Czar_Net | SpamHog, connection remote |
| 10:49.34 | kevix | Czar_Net, uso #debian-es ? |
| 10:49.38 | Guerin | yang26: umount -l |
| 10:49.54 | Guerin | not necessary, he's copied out all the data he needs |
| 10:50.04 | Guerin | if he's followed my instructions, anyway |
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| 10:50.20 | yang26 | Guerin: (Requires kernel 2.4.11 or later.) |
| 10:50.24 | yang26 | i hjave 2.2 |
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| 10:50.37 | Guerin | kevix: brazil is more likely to be #debian-br |
| 10:50.46 | Guerin | yang26: bah, use lsof, then |
| 10:50.53 | kevix | Guerin, yes, but there are more folks in -es. |
| 10:50.55 | Guerin | yang26: do you have a shell open in that dir? |
| 10:51.11 | Guerin | kevix: does he speak spanish? most brazilians don't. |
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| 10:51.26 | kevix | Guerin, then #debin-pr |
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| 10:51.29 | SpamHog | Czar_Net: Samba is the set of client and server that use the Windows SMB protocol. Works remote too, just as SMB does. |
| 10:51.36 | Guerin | kevix: if you don't know, don't guess. |
| 10:51.40 | liable | kernel 2-2? |
| 10:51.41 | kevix | Guerin, no, #debian-pt |
| 10:52.14 | Guerin | kevix: which has 2 users. Good work. |
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| 10:52.36 | Czar_Net | SpamHog, equal software to vnc, but with many simultaneos accesses |
| 10:52.37 | SpamHog | me: smiles... |
| 10:52.52 | kevix | Guerin, that's why I said -es. I think they'd have a better change of helping then us. |
| 10:52.53 | yang26 | lsof /boot |
| 10:52.53 | yang26 | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 10:52.53 | yang26 | klogd 8533 root 2r REG 3,1 272725 13 /boot/System.map-2.2.20 |
| 10:53.16 | xst | Hmm, I really don't get it: Just installed snort and configured it with "any" as HOME_NET in order to make it listen to everything and trust nothing. But when I make a portscan in order to test it, nothing is written to the logs. How should I debug on this? |
| 10:53.19 | Guerin | kevix: shall we go back to 19:50:44 < Guerin> kevix: does he speak spanish? most brazilians don't. |
| 10:53.28 | Guerin | kevix: he DOES, however, speak some english. |
| 10:53.56 | Guerin | wtf is klogd using a System.map? Is that usual? |
| 10:53.58 | kevix | Guerin, yes. I know what Brazilians speak. |
| 10:53.58 | SpamHog | Czar_Net: understood! u're talking DESKTOP access, not file access... Which way? Windows guests on Linux host or viceversa? |
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| 10:54.51 | Czar_Net | SpamHog, |
| 10:54.57 | Czar_Net | Windows for linux |
| 10:55.06 | kevix | SpamHog, rdesktop ? |
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| 10:55.30 | kevix | SpamHog, NX ? |
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| 10:56.01 | Czar_Net | kevix, NX not server windows, only linux |
| 10:56.03 | bob2 | Guerin: for decoding oopses, I gather |
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| 10:56.22 | SpamHog | Czar_Net: try this - http://x.cygwin.com/ |
| 10:56.25 | Guerin | bob2: oh, ok. Can a klogd process be killed without hassles? |
| 10:56.28 | Czar_Net | kevix, http://www.nomachine.com/download.php |
| 10:56.30 | liable | xst: are you scanning localhost or from another machine? |
| 10:56.51 | bob2 | Guerin: yeah |
| 10:57.03 | SpamHog | Czar_Net: you can do a secure export of X via ssh to a remote client |
| 10:57.10 | Czar_Net | kevix, NX windows only client |
| 10:57.23 | Guerin | yang26: try killing that process, then unmounting it |
| 10:57.29 | yang26 | yes it works |
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| 10:57.34 | Guerin | sweet |
| 10:57.38 | Shadur | SpamHog: That still requires an X server to be active on the client |
| 10:57.50 | Czar_Net | SpamHog, wiht? |
| 10:57.56 | kevix | Czar_Net, mira 'http://www.nomachine.com/' |
| 10:58.22 | xst | liable: From another machine. Also I'm pretty confused about that two config files are made: snort.conf and snort.debian.conf. The former has a lot of rules and settings while the latter has only a few lines -- with the same options that I entered on the installation screen. |
| 10:58.41 | kevix | Czar_Net, queiro para uso en m$ o linux. |
| 10:58.45 | SpamHog | Shadur: that's the very definition accessing a desktop remotely! And with cygwin you can run all sorts of apps on a Win host. |
| 10:59.04 | Czar_Net | kevix, NX windows no server, only linux, need windows server |
| 10:59.42 | kevix | Czar_Net, quiero 'windows server' por NX? |
| 10:59.42 | Coke | GAH! What the _heck_ is "info" and why the _heck_ doesn't man and info include the same docs? What is the Debian policy regarding distribution of documentation? |
| 11:00.13 | fireba11 | back :-) |
| 11:00.13 | Shadur | Coke: Info is a whole other documentation format. GNU diehards are addicted to it. |
| 11:00.13 | yang26 | Guerin: now that /boot dir has drwxr-xr-x 3 root sys 4096 2005-09-16 12:56 boot |
| 11:00.19 | paulswm | Coke: info is the way GNU does documentation, man pages are more standard, it's not debian's fault or policy |
| 11:00.20 | Czar_Net | kevix, yes |
| 11:00.21 | kevix | Coke, info does not have lots of 'info'. |
| 11:00.26 | Guerin | Coke: documentation format is in the hands of the authors in most cases. Info is good, some would say better than man because it's not a plain flat file. |
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| 11:00.30 | yang26 | Guerin: other directories in root are all root root group |
| 11:00.38 | Guerin | yang26: should be fine. |
| 11:01.16 | paulswm | info is good when used with info2www, the 'info' program sucks goats |
| 11:01.28 | SpamHog | Czar_Net: "X-Server" is a confusing name... it is a server but it runs on the host... you SIT at the X-server, and apps on the remote machine tell it what to show. |
| 11:01.51 | omry | hi. since yesterday, I get this when I do dist-upgrade : http://firefang.net/~omry/dep1, when I follow the advice there I get this: http://firefang.net/~omry/dep2 . anyone got an idea how to resolve it? |
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| 11:03.26 | kevix | Czar_Net, no veo 'windows server' por NX. |
| 11:03.28 | gordotron | module-assistant's log file |
| 11:03.31 | gordotron | err |
| 11:03.37 | gordotron | wrong room sorry |
| 11:03.40 | liable | paulswm: hows it goin? |
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| 11:04.01 | kevix | Czar_Net, windows terminal server ? |
| 11:04.12 | DarkRaven | does somebody use suspend to disk? |
| 11:04.13 | kapil | omry: perhaps purge libdjvulibre1 as in 'dpkg --purge libdjvulibre1' |
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| 11:04.42 | liable | DarkRaven: of course no-one uses it.. :P |
| 11:04.53 | Itangast_ahunt | Hello, i am trying to install debian on a notebook without floppy and whose internal hdd i cannot use. is it possible to boot an installed system on a usb-hdd (which is not bootable) from the install-cd-rom? |
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| 11:05.02 | Czar_Net | kevix, Terminal serivice has that to pay licenses, I want one free |
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| 11:05.30 | kevix | Czar_Net, comprende! |
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| 11:05.53 | Guerin | Itangast_ahunt: depends if the installer can recognise it. You'll need to also use a boot cd image which gives you the option to boot from another device. Might be tricky. |
| 11:06.06 | DarkRaven | liable, hehe i hope it wont be like that ;) .... do i need more swap than memory storage? |
| 11:06.06 | Czar_Net | kevix, NX, it has windows server? |
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| 11:06.13 | redcliffe | with a for loop in bash can you use a ; as the delimiter? the tutorial i'm looking at only seems to indicate spaces |
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| 11:06.25 | liable | DarkRaven: no, you shouldnt. |
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| 11:06.33 | Guerin | redcliffe: you have to use a ; as a delimiter |
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| 11:06.44 | Guerin | redcliffe: for file in *; do foo; done |
| 11:06.49 | Guerin | well |
| 11:06.57 | Guerin | you can use && etc, also, but not space |
| 11:07.10 | redcliffe | Guerin: i mean as a delimiter in the list, not at the end of the lines of code |
| 11:07.10 | Itangast_ahunt | well, for example suse has an option to "boot installed system" which works (for an suse installation) |
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| 11:07.11 | liable | DarkRaven: but if your system actually uses swap during normal use.. then it may pay to make it bigger. |
| 11:07.18 | DarkRaven | liable: than it's ok ause i use 776448 mem storage and 755023+ swap storage, so it should work? |
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| 11:07.27 | kevix | Czar_Net, no. |
| 11:07.29 | SpamHog | DarkRaven: best search TuxMobil or LinuxLaptops, you see install reports that detail if it works. The 1st question is, did anyone make it work on YOUR hardware? |
| 11:07.36 | redcliffe | Guerin: this is the example i'm looking at: for planet in "Mercury Venus Earth Mars Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune Pluto" |
| 11:07.37 | Itangast_ahunt | so there is nothing i can do to boot it without creating a new cd? |
| 11:07.42 | liable | DarkRaven: should be fine. |
| 11:07.43 | kevix | adios amigos. |
| 11:07.48 | Guerin | redcliffe: oh, that's different |
| 11:07.49 | redcliffe | Guerin: i'd like to use ; as seperators in the list instead of spaces |
| 11:07.53 | kevix | see you in 20 hours! |
| 11:08.00 | Guerin | redcliffe: why would you? |
| 11:08.01 | redcliffe | yep |
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| 11:08.30 | DarkRaven | liable, i think my system uses swap during normal use cause i set it at the debian installation |
| 11:08.30 | SpamHog | Ciao kevix! |
| 11:08.36 | redcliffe | Guerin: it's just the way i've seen it done in most of the big bash scripts i've seen |
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| 11:08.52 | DarkRaven | SpamHog, nope i'm trying it first time, and this pc is not a laptop ;) |
| 11:08.53 | Guerin | redcliffe: um ... i doubt it |
| 11:09.20 | redcliffe | Guerin: well i've seen some that have used it for configuration values, which is what i'm trying to do |
| 11:09.26 | liable | DarkRaven: look at memstat, top vmstat etc to see how your mem usage goes.. |
| 11:09.40 | SpamHog | DarkRaven: very unusual, but I applaud the idea. |
| 11:09.40 | gordotron | !nvidia one liner |
| 11:09.40 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 11:09.41 | DarkRaven | liable, when i type in "hibernate resume2=swap:/dev/hdax" in text mode(strg+alt+f1) he shows me: shift:779:cant shift that many |
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| 11:10.18 | DarkRaven | SpamHog, *gg* thx ;) ... if im not in front of pc i want to use the suspend ;) |
| 11:10.37 | liable | DarkRaven: err, where did you read to type that? your using suspend2 yes? |
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| 11:10.44 | Guerin | redcliffe: that syntax won't treat the planets as a list, anyway - it'll treat them all as one object |
| 11:10.45 | Itangast_ahunt | Guerin: or is there a boot cd image which can do this? |
| 11:11.00 | redcliffe | Guerin: yep ok |
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| 11:11.03 | tha_gamemaster | i'm having a bit of trouble using wget, i read the man a few times, how do i mirror an ftp that requires login and pass (yes i have that information) |
| 11:11.04 | Guerin | Itangast_ahunt: there are, but I don't know one off the top of my head |
| 11:11.08 | DarkRaven | liable,SpamHog and when i try in x-server with "sudo /usr/local/sbin/hibernate" -> he wants a passw which i do not have |
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| 11:11.32 | DarkRaven | liable, yes (http://www.suspend2.net/) |
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| 11:11.46 | DarkRaven | liable: kernel 2.6.13 with newest patch and hibernate script |
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| 11:12.16 | SpamHog | me: just debfoster'ed "hibernate" and swoals over manpage |
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| 11:12.51 | redcliffe | Guerin: thanks got it working the way i want now |
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| 11:13.13 | liable | DarkRaven: i dont know what the deal is with the password. this is at hibernate, not boot? |
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| 11:14.10 | DarkRaven | liable, what do you mean " this is at hibernate, not boot?" |
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| 11:14.20 | SpamHog | DarkRaven: if you as a user are a sudoer (sudo group) then it's yours, right? |
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| 11:14.39 | liable | DarkRaven: as your are hibernating it, not waking it up? |
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| 11:15.19 | DarkRaven | liable, SpamHog: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1110 |
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| 11:15.50 | DarkRaven | liable, yes: its when i want to hibernate it, not start up |
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| 11:16.20 | liable | DarkRaven: um, thats the sudo password, which is your user password.. |
| 11:16.34 | DarkRaven | liable, oh mom i'll try it |
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| 11:16.51 | omry | kapil, accept a karma bonus. purgin it cleared the way. thanks. |
| 11:16.58 | liable | hah, looks like it worked... |
| 11:17.02 | SpamHog | DarkRaven: if you get the message in the URL you ARE an authorized sudo'er, bung in your password ans see what happens. |
| 11:17.03 | Guerin | omry: !kapil++ |
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| 11:17.21 | omry | !kapil++ |
| 11:17.31 | omry | Guerin, nothing happened. |
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| 11:17.36 | DarkRaven | liable: i tried it, he says "arctic is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 11:17.43 | Guerin | !karma kapil |
| 11:17.43 | dpkg | kapil has karma of 1 |
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| 11:17.48 | Guerin | :) |
| 11:17.50 | omry | :) |
| 11:18.03 | SpamHog | oooops, I was sooooo wrong! |
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| 11:18.14 | liable | DarkRaven: su to root and try running the command without the sudo bit. |
| 11:18.16 | kapil | Guerin, omry: thanks. |
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| 11:18.33 | omry | kapil, just remember. you can't but food with karma ;) |
| 11:18.44 | DarkRaven | liable, k mom |
| 11:19.02 | liable | i aint your mom :P |
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| 11:19.18 | DarkRaven | liable, bash: /usr/local/sbin/hibernate: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden (file or directory not found) |
| 11:19.27 | SpamHog | if darkraven disappears, hibernate works :) |
| 11:19.32 | Guerin | liable: you could have done better than that |
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| 11:19.45 | bob2 | DarkRaven: if you installed it from a package, it will not be in /usr/local/ |
| 11:19.48 | Guerin | SpamHog: if he doesn't come back, it doesn't fully. |
| 11:19.49 | DarkRaven | SpamHog, *ggg* :) then im one of the fantastic four ;) |
| 11:19.52 | liable | Guerin: i was going to offer the nipple.. but. |
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| 11:20.11 | SpamHog | DarkRaven: are you radioactive already? |
| 11:20.23 | DarkRaven | bob2, oh .. ok then where should it be? (sorry im using linux not so long) |
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| 11:20.28 | liable | DarkRaven: err, try /esr/sbin/hibernate |
| 11:20.36 | bob2 | DarkRaven: dpkg -L hibernate | grep bin |
| 11:20.37 | DarkRaven | SpamHog: a little bit ;) |
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| 11:21.05 | DarkRaven | bob2, got it /usr/sbin/hibernate |
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| 11:21.37 | kapil | omry: but can you buy kurma (== curry disk) with karma? :) |
| 11:21.39 | kapil | s/disk/dish/ |
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| 11:22.04 | SpamHog | DarkRaven: mine is in /usr/sbin/hibernate |
| 11:22.10 | SpamHog | just installes |
| 11:22.16 | SpamHog | installed |
| 11:22.19 | DarkRaven | liable,bob2 doesnt work, its the same like in text mode "shift:779:cant shift that many" |
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| 11:22.32 | omry | kapil, probably not, but let me know. :) |
| 11:22.58 | SpamHog | must go for a bit, tnx for opening all my 8 eyes |
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| 11:23.29 | bob2 | DarkRaven: the script is broken then |
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| 11:23.54 | DarkRaven | bob2, hm i installed that newest .deb package |
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| 11:24.23 | liable | DarkRaven: google the error. havent seen it. dont you need to pass it the path to your config file too? |
| 11:24.50 | liable | DarkRaven: -f /etc/hibernate.conf? |
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| 11:25.04 | darko__ | What is the name of the X app that lets you calibrate(move etc) your screen? |
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| 11:25.19 | DarkRaven | liable, -f /etc/hibernate.conf ?? |
| 11:25.26 | jm_ | xvidtune |
| 11:25.27 | Nielsen | sEveNSiGn77: stop spamming! |
| 11:25.36 | darko__ | jm_: THANKS YOU!! |
| 11:25.42 | liable | DarkRaven: you have config files, yes? |
| 11:25.48 | jm_ | darko__: but you can only use it for minimal adjustments |
| 11:25.52 | darko__ | i have spent 2 days trying to remember that name :) |
| 11:25.55 | xst | Where can I read documentation for the purpose of /etc/snort/snort.conf and /etc/snort/snort.debian.conf. The role of these config files are a bit secret to me (e.g. why is HOME_NET defined in both?). |
| 11:25.59 | ricky_clarkson | Nielsen: Spamming in /msg ? |
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| 11:26.25 | Guerin | !helpfile snort |
| 11:26.26 | dpkg | For help with snort, look in /usr/share/doc/snort There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 11:26.54 | DarkRaven | liable, yep there is hibernate.conf in the /etc/hibernate flder |
| 11:27.16 | jm_ | !foldersmite DarkRaven |
| 11:27.20 | jm_ | I guess not |
| 11:27.23 | Nielsen | ricky_clarkson: yeah |
| 11:27.40 | DarkRaven | liable, should i try an other suspend method? |
| 11:27.43 | Nielsen | ricky_clarkson: url to a porn site with a download zip with a v|rus in it |
| 11:27.51 | ricky_clarkson | Nielsen: Unprovoked, or onjoin? |
| 11:27.57 | Nielsen | onjoin i think |
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| 11:28.08 | xst | Guerin: Been there, done that. The documentation is IMHO very spare. These two config-files are not explained and the examples/ dir only contains a file about making rules... |
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| 11:28.23 | Nielsen | ricky_clarkson: BackDoor.IrcContact.C says AVG |
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| 11:28.25 | ricky_clarkson | Nielsen: Doesn't seem to have got me. |
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| 11:28.44 | DarkRaven | jm_ i didn't get foldersmite :/ |
| 11:28.51 | jm_ | DarkRaven: I know, we have to write it |
| 11:28.56 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, yes it does. |
| 11:29.05 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, no, that was you, Nielsen. ;) |
| 11:29.09 | Nielsen | ricky_clarkson: hehehe |
| 11:29.11 | darko__ | jm_: How are one supposed to know howto do something in the terminal? is there a categorisation reference somewhere? |
| 11:29.15 | xst | Guerin: I'm a bit worried because nothing is written to the logs when I portscan the machine. |
| 11:29.19 | jm_ | darko__: do what? |
| 11:29.20 | liable | DarkRaven: i seem to have my hibernate script missing at the moment, but in /etc/acpi/actions, there is normally a shell script that calls hibernate -f /etc/hibernate/hibernate.conf (ie using the config file that you have tweaked) but looks like you may need to do some googling.. |
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| 11:29.58 | twentyone | !nvidia one liner |
| 11:29.58 | Guerin | xst: typically, the presence of a debian-specific config file means that there are some debian-specific options for some reason, which should not be fucked with by the user; for example, debian's mysql has a separate mysql user for starting/stopping the database. |
| 11:29.58 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 11:29.59 | hyperstream | !dpkg sex |
| 11:29.59 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 11:30.01 | ricky_clarkson | Nielsen: Seems to have left anyway. |
| 11:30.08 | jm_ | !tell twentyone -about msg |
| 11:30.19 | DarkRaven | liable, i do not have the first folder (/etc/acpi/actions) |
| 11:30.28 | Guerin | xst: i can't help you specifically with snort, i don't use it. Try asking a mailing list, or filing a bug requesting documentation. |
| 11:30.46 | Nielsen | sEveNSiGn77: there? |
| 11:30.46 | xst | Guerin: OK. Thanks anyway |
| 11:30.50 | darko__ | jm_: Find the programs that do what you want to do |
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| 11:31.04 | jm_ | darko__: ohh apt-cache search, google, ... |
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| 11:31.23 | twentyone | thanks jm |
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| 11:32.01 | darko__ | kris@moobox:~$ apt-cache search calibrate |
| 11:32.01 | darko__ | lintian - Debian package checker |
| 11:32.01 | darko__ | displaycalibrator.app - Gamma calibration for GNUstep |
| 11:32.01 | darko__ | jscalibrator - GTK Joystick Calibrator |
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| 11:32.31 | darko__ | but that still doesn't help me :/ xvidtune wasn't listed there... |
| 11:32.41 | liable | DarkRaven: um, what happens if you just run 'hibernate' ? |
| 11:33.33 | jm_ | well sure, it won't find everything, but it's a good starting point, apropos might also help |
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| 11:33.39 | yang26 | !beer Guerin |
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| 11:34.22 | liable | DarkRaven: you did patch and compile the kernel? |
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| 11:34.39 | hyperstream | how long has everyone been using debian for |
| 11:34.47 | liable | !bad poll |
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| 11:34.54 | hyperstream | :( |
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| 11:35.12 | liable | dpkg: bad bot! |
| 11:35.12 | dpkg | :( |
| 11:35.25 | hyperstream | !food |
| 11:35.25 | darko__ | is there any large expermiental(bleeding edge) package repository for debian? |
| 11:35.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, food is "any substance that can be metabolized by an organism to give energy and build tissue," according to WordNet 2.0. Electricity for humans. |
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| 11:36.58 | cheal | !tell darko__ about experimental |
| 11:36.59 | maffelu_ | hi, me again, still having driver problems |
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| 11:37.23 | maffelu_ | when I do modprobe it claims that the nvidia 7676 drivers I just isntalled are in fact 7174 |
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| 11:37.35 | maffelu_ | X won't start with the latter, only with 7676, so I get no X |
| 11:37.35 | cheal | maffelu_: how did you install them? |
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| 11:37.42 | maffelu_ | with the nvidia.com run file |
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| 11:37.55 | maffelu_ | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run |
| 11:38.06 | cheal | maffelu_: I told you at least yesterday : #debian does not support nvidia.com stuff |
| 11:38.07 | maffelu_ | I don't have the 7676 deb package |
| 11:38.26 | maffelu_ | where then can I obtain a 7676 deb package? |
| 11:38.29 | cheal | do you need it? |
| 11:38.36 | maffelu_ | I need to install the new drivers |
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| 11:38.45 | maffelu_ | when I did one liner it had a 7174 deb packa to install from |
| 11:38.54 | maffelu_ | thus making the nvidia one liner useless |
| 11:39.00 | cheal | you can indeed get 7676...from experimental |
| 11:39.12 | maffelu_ | hmm |
| 11:39.15 | maffelu_ | is it worth it? |
| 11:39.25 | maffelu_ | how do I get it? |
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| 11:39.42 | cheal | darko__: we don't know any other distro. if you have to ask, you can consider it is |
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| 11:40.19 | cheal | maffelu_: you said "I need to install the new drivers". does that look worth it? |
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| 11:40.57 | cheal | dpkg: chealer is also a bit like the borg |
| 11:40.57 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 11:40.57 | darko__ | anyone running the experimental tree here? |
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| 11:41.10 | cheal | darko__: one can't do that |
| 11:41.17 | ma3x | hi |
| 11:41.18 | darko__ | oh.. |
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| 11:41.47 | ma3x | i have postfix installed but what should i specify in kmail for the mail agent (/usr/sbin/postfix) ? |
| 11:41.48 | cheal | maffelu_: you make a mix, as for getting testing packages on stable |
| 11:41.49 | darko__ | you can't download from a experimental tree? |
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| 11:42.44 | cheal | darko__: experimental isn't a tree. it's a pseudo-release for a number of packages |
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| 11:42.47 | ricky_clarkson | darko__: Experimental is just for some packages. |
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| 11:43.36 | maffelu_ | yes twentyone ? |
| 11:43.41 | cheal | maffelu_: which release do you run? |
| 11:43.59 | maffelu_ | 2.6.8.1 |
| 11:44.05 | ma3x | if i use postfix , must i have sendmail isntalled? |
| 11:44.09 | djp | would people recommend audacity as a good audio editor package under debian 3.1 or would something like gnusound be more appropriate? |
| 11:44.15 | cheal | maffelu_: that's a kernel version. I was asking your debian release |
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| 11:44.22 | fireba11 | ma3x: why would you need to ? |
| 11:44.22 | ma3x | hellooooooooooooo |
| 11:44.26 | ma3x | fireba11, I dunno |
| 11:44.30 | maffelu_ | oh, I don't know |
| 11:44.35 | maffelu_ | how do I check? |
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| 11:44.42 | ma3x | in kmail it says MTA /usr/bin/sendmail |
| 11:44.44 | cheal | maffelu_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:44.46 | fireba11 | ma3x: waht gave you the idea in the first place ? |
| 11:44.46 | ma3x | fireba11, should i change that? |
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| 11:45.04 | ma3x | fireba11, I'm trying to send outgoing email, but it wont send it |
| 11:45.07 | fireba11 | ma3x: no .. there is a symlink to exim so default settings in a lot of packages work |
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| 11:45.11 | maffelu_ | 3.1 cheal |
| 11:45.17 | ricky_clarkson | ma3x: exim4 is compatible with sendmail, afaik. sendmail is a link to exim on most systems these days, I think. |
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| 11:45.22 | ma3x | fireba11, OH! I removed exim |
| 11:45.29 | ricky_clarkson | ma3x: Unremove it. |
| 11:45.36 | cheal | maffelu_: getting 7676 would be hard. why do you think you need 7676? |
| 11:45.36 | ma3x | ricky_clarkson, apt-get install exim4 |
| 11:45.37 | fireba11 | ma3x: ouch |
| 11:45.37 | ma3x | or just exim? |
| 11:45.42 | ricky_clarkson | !info exim |
| 11:45.45 | dpkg | exim: (An MTA (Mail Transport Agent)), section mail, is extra. Version: 3.36-17 (sid), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 1400 kB |
| 11:45.48 | maffelu_ | cheal nvidia.com offered it |
| 11:45.50 | ricky_clarkson | !info exim4 |
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| 11:45.53 | dpkg | exim4: (metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installation), section mail, is standard. Version: 4.52-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 11:45.54 | maffelu_ | if I don't need it, then fine |
| 11:45.56 | maffelu_ | I don't want it =) |
| 11:46.01 | ma3x | exim or exim4? |
| 11:46.01 | newtolinux | hi every one. I used a pendrive usb key to boot the debian install for my laptop since it has no floppy/ cdrom drive...it worked fine for the first time...I am trying to do it over again now. When I format with windows XP as fat partition, I can not view it using cfdisk command, and 4 deferent partitions are diplayed with fdisk command...could any one help please!! |
| 11:46.01 | ricky_clarkson | I don't know. Guessing exim4. |
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| 11:46.04 | ma3x | okay |
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| 11:46.11 | cheal | maffelu_: so why don't you try stable's 7174? |
| 11:46.11 | fireba11 | ma3x: exim4 |
| 11:46.19 | maffelu_ | how do I obtain it? |
| 11:46.22 | maffelu_ | no wait |
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| 11:46.24 | ma3x | fireba11, thanks alto! |
| 11:46.24 | pc15 | hello |
| 11:46.27 | compguymac | hi |
| 11:46.29 | maffelu_ | Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7174, but |
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| 11:46.30 | maffelu_ | this X module is version 1.0.7676. |
| 11:46.35 | maffelu_ | I get that message |
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| 11:46.40 | maffelu_ | it still thinks I have 7174 |
| 11:46.42 | fireba11 | ma3x: exim = exim3 .. and you don't want that |
| 11:46.46 | cheal | maffelu_: what does dpkg -l nvidia-glx return? |
| 11:47.09 | cheal | maffelu_: 7174 is what you want |
| 11:47.11 | maffelu_ | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.7174-3 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
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| 11:47.20 | dpy | hi guys |
| 11:47.21 | maffelu_ | but X won't start with 7174 |
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| 11:47.36 | cheal | maffelu_: nvidia-installer screwed up your X. you have to get rid of that crap |
| 11:47.37 | ma3x | fireba11, *exim4 you mean |
| 11:47.56 | maffelu_ | ok, so what do I do to get a nice fine 7174 deb installationg? |
| 11:48.04 | compguymac | hey dpky |
| 11:48.07 | compguymac | dpy |
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| 11:48.28 | fireba11 | ma3x: no .. if you do "apt-get install exim" you get exim3 .. and since that is long outdated and no longer maintained you don't want that version :-) |
| 11:48.33 | cheal | maffelu_: you already have it. but it's not installed on a clean system |
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| 11:48.55 | maffelu_ | how do I purge the system from 7676 then? |
| 11:49.01 | fireba11 | ma3x: so you need to do "apt-get exim4" to get the current version |
| 11:49.09 | dpy | say, does anyone here know how to get dhclient or other dhcp client to set the hostname according to the hostname in the dhcp lease information ? |
| 11:49.14 | fireba11 | +install |
| 11:49.28 | cheal | maffelu_: #nvidia would know better. it's possible that apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-glx would help you |
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| 11:50.13 | pablob | maffelu_: aptitude remove nvidia-kernel-$(uname -a) may work? |
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| 11:50.17 | hillbillytech | howdy all! |
| 11:50.18 | maffelu_ | well cheal it gives me a different error message |
| 11:50.41 | cheal | pablob: unlikely |
| 11:50.51 | maffelu_ | oh, I'm doing it right now |
| 11:50.57 | newtolinux | could any one tell me if there is something I should know about formating a usb pendrive in Linux as a FAT16 format....I am realy having trouble finding & understaning the problem to install debian on my laptop via usb...please help? |
| 11:50.59 | ma3x | fireba11, postfix/master[30841]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: Address already in us |
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| 11:51.15 | bob2 | newtolinux: man mkfs.fat |
| 11:51.26 | maffelu_ | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1.0.5336 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
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| 11:51.37 | maffelu_ | would that affect the reinstallation of nvidia-glx? |
| 11:51.37 | fireba11 | ma3x: errr .. seems you got an MTA installed already .. and postfix is another MTA .. !? |
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| 11:51.39 | twentyone | I wonder if less people would learn to pirate if it didn't have such a damn cool name |
| 11:51.54 | maffelu_ | Fatal server error: |
| 11:51.54 | maffelu_ | Caught signal 8. Server aborting |
| 11:51.57 | maffelu_ | new error |
| 11:51.59 | maffelu_ | only says that |
| 11:52.00 | maffelu_ | very odd |
| 11:52.26 | ma3x | fireba11, I got exim4 already running. But postfix tries to run too |
| 11:52.26 | ma3x | fireba11, what should i do? |
| 11:52.27 | cheal | maffelu_: that file clearly shouldn't be on your system |
| 11:53.07 | fireba11 | ma3x: why you have postfix installed ? obviously it's no good idea to have more than one MTA running on the same machine .. i suggest apt-get remove postfix |
| 11:53.09 | maffelu_ | I did remove it before |
| 11:53.13 | maffelu_ | but, it keeps comming back |
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| 11:53.22 | cheal | maffelu_: not normal |
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| 11:53.30 | newtolinux | bob2..thanks , I have tried it but does not work...I will read it again |
| 11:53.39 | Zugschlus | maffelu_: exim4 and postfix conflict. so one of the MTAs has been locally installed without dpkg knowing about it, or your installation is broken |
| 11:53.43 | bob2 | newtolinux: "does not work" is too vague, you'd need to give a lot more details |
| 11:53.51 | ma3x | fireba11, I want postfix, but should I remove exim4? |
| 11:53.56 | cheal | maffelu_: since how long did you install debian on that machine? |
| 11:54.02 | maffelu_ | I don't know |
| 11:54.06 | maffelu_ | little more then a year perhaps |
| 11:54.10 | maffelu_ | might be 2 years |
| 11:54.15 | fireba11 | ma3x: ah .. of course you should .. only install one MTA, no use to have a second on the same machine |
| 11:54.20 | Zugschlus | maffelu_: yes. |
| 11:54.32 | maffelu_ | yes? |
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| 11:55.00 | maffelu_ | since I don't have a bootdisc, I can't reinstall |
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| 11:55.14 | liable | Guerin: 203.220.188.91/spanish :P (know your a bit of a keen fisho..:) |
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| 11:55.29 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: postfix+mysql-auth+courier-imap+maildir isn't bad though |
| 11:55.52 | insta | Hey guys, how can I set up the proper client:server model to enable several Kubuntu workstations to authenticate against a remote server on KDM login? |
| 11:55.54 | insta | If that makes sense |
| 11:56.00 | ma3x | fireba11 it's giving me this error when I send mail: Sendmail exited abnormally |
| 11:56.09 | liable | kubuntu? |
| 11:56.09 | djp | any recommendations regards a decent audio editor for voice recording? i'm running a default desktop install (gnome) under debian 3.1 sarge. |
| 11:56.14 | ma3x | fireba11, error: to submit mail, use the Postfix sendmail command |
| 11:56.16 | cheal | insta: this is not #kubuntu |
| 11:56.23 | insta | They're the same thing ... |
| 11:56.26 | insta | I'm using Debian as the server |
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| 11:56.30 | Zugschlus | fireba11: courier sucks badly if you happen to think different than Mr. Sam |
| 11:56.35 | fireba11 | ma3x: well then try that :-) |
| 11:56.49 | ricky_clarkson | insta: Try #kde. |
| 11:57.01 | ma3x | fireba11, what's that? for eg. for sendmail it was /usr/sbin/sendmail. But for postfix /usr/sbin/postfix it's giving that error |
| 11:57.03 | ma3x | fireba11, I assume /usr/sbin/postfix sendmail??? |
| 11:57.06 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: a friend did set that up .. performs nicely |
| 11:57.24 | Zugschlus | maffelu_: /usr/sbin/sendmail is the normal interface even for no-sendmail MTAs |
| 11:57.27 | Zugschlus | agh |
| 11:57.34 | Zugschlus | ma3x: /usr/sbin/sendmail is the normal interface even for no-sendmail MTAs |
| 11:57.35 | fireba11 | ma3x: possibly .. got no first hand experience with postfix yet |
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| 11:57.40 | insta | ricky_clarkson: Okay, but it seems like a native Linux thing in general. I'm talking about the very first "<machine_name> login: " prompt |
| 11:57.59 | ricky_clarkson | You said kdm. |
| 11:58.14 | pablob | maffelu_: you install nv kernel driver with module-assistant? |
| 11:58.14 | insta | KDM talks to login |
| 11:58.14 | ma3x | Zugschlus, I get this error mailed: mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/run/sendmail/msp': Permission denied |
| 11:58.27 | insta | I was letting you guys know the big picture |
| 11:58.31 | insta | KDM, GDM, XDM |
| 11:58.32 | pablob | maffelu_: it never gave me any problems |
| 11:58.38 | insta | All 3 are going to need to do the same thing |
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| 11:58.43 | DarkRaven | liable, yes i patched and compiled it and im using the kernel |
| 11:58.53 | ma3x | This is a problem |
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| 11:59.02 | ma3x | when I install sendmail, it tries to run |
| 11:59.05 | fireba11 | ma3x: how did you install that postfix ? seems itS' not set up probperly |
| 11:59.06 | Guerin | insta: kubuntu may or may not use the same version of login, pam, and all the other things which are pieces of the login: puzzle. Ask them; we can't help you. |
| 11:59.06 | liable | DarkRaven: and what output does just 'hibernate' give? |
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| 11:59.09 | ma3x | and it says port already in use |
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| 11:59.22 | rhalff | hmm installing some trivial software removes initrd-tools are those important for booting, or just used when a new kernel images is build ? |
| 11:59.24 | DarkRaven | liable, You haven't specified a resume2= parameter on your kernel command line |
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| 11:59.33 | ma3x | fireba11, it is setup correctly. But why when I install sendmail, it tries to run |
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| 11:59.45 | DarkRaven | liable, wait i'll paste it on hp |
| 11:59.49 | Zugschlus | ma3x: that looks suspiciously like you having not only exim and postfix installed, but sendmail as well |
| 11:59.51 | fireba11 | ma3x: "when i install sendmail" ? now you lost me there .. why would you want to do that ? |
| 11:59.56 | ma3x | daemon MTA-v4: problem creating SMTP socket NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): opendaemonsocket: daemon MTA-v4: cannot bind: Address already in use |
| 11:59.56 | newtolinux | bob2...I cat the boot.img.gz found on the debian site for installing debian via a usb to the usb drive after formating the usb with cfdisk "1gb" as FAT16....but did not boot, so I try to see the partition type with fdisk again , and it does not show giving an error like "Bad primary partition 0: Partition begins after end-of-disk", but when used with fdisk it shows 4 partitions...should I explain more....please |
| 12:00.00 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: my thoughts exactly |
| 12:00.02 | ma3x | Zugschlus, well I installed sendmail too, shouldn't I? |
| 12:00.10 | DarkRaven | liable ,http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1111 |
| 12:00.12 | Guerin | liable: that's one hell of a fish |
| 12:00.17 | ma3x | fireba11, well postfix says: use the sendmail command |
| 12:00.19 | bob2 | newtolinux: you don't format it |
| 12:00.23 | bob2 | newtolinux: you dump the image on it directly |
| 12:00.26 | ma3x | so I guess that means you should have sendmail installed too, no? |
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| 12:00.33 | fireba11 | ma3x: NO .. sendmail, exim and postfix are all MTAs .. only ONE of those please ^^ |
| 12:00.45 | Zugschlus | ma3x: how do you manage to install three MTAs on your system? |
| 12:00.57 | Guerin | ma3x: did you install this machine? or did some other twat break it horribly? |
| 12:00.58 | Zugschlus | ma3x: Debian tries very hard to make sure that only one MTA is installed |
| 12:01.08 | ma3x | heh, I did install it |
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| 12:01.15 | fireba11 | ma3x: how ? |
| 12:01.16 | ma3x | ok well then whats the postfix sendmail command? |
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| 12:01.22 | ma3x | fireba11, what how? |
| 12:01.23 | bob2 | ma3x: "sendmail" |
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| 12:01.28 | ma3x | with apt-get |
| 12:01.35 | ma3x | bob2, /usr/sbin/postfix sendmail ?? |
| 12:01.40 | Guerin | ma3x: all MTAs have a sendmmail-ish binary |
| 12:01.43 | bob2 | ma3x: no, /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 12:01.44 | Gathond | ma3x: postfix includes a /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 12:01.46 | bob2 | all MTAs have that |
| 12:01.50 | fireba11 | ma3x: apt-get should remove an installed TMA when you try to install a different one |
| 12:01.50 | Zugschlus | ma3x: I would be very surprised if the Debian postfix packages wouldn't contain a /usr/sbin/sendmail binary or a symlink |
| 12:01.51 | ma3x | oh |
| 12:01.56 | asuffield | that's pretty much the definition of what constitutes an MTA |
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| 12:02.09 | Gathond | ma3x: like just about anything else, so as to be compatible with all the software out there |
| 12:02.11 | Zugschlus | ma3x: did you compile any of your MTAs from source? |
| 12:02.14 | ma3x | nooo |
| 12:02.16 | ma3x | I install only packages |
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| 12:02.32 | Zugschlus | ma3x: or do you have sendmail, postfix, _and_ exim packages installed from Debian packages _AT THE SAME TIME_? |
| 12:02.39 | ma3x | OK, if I have only postfix installed, then /usr/sbin/sendmail is from postfix package, right? |
| 12:02.41 | Zugschlus | if so, I'd like know how you did _that_ |
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| 12:02.47 | Gathond | ma3x: right |
| 12:02.49 | ma3x | Zugschlus, I installed one after the other |
| 12:02.50 | Zugschlus | ma3x: dpkg --serach /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 12:02.55 | Guerin | Zugschlus: he can't have all those installed at the same time; they conflict |
| 12:03.05 | Guerin | Zugschlus: oh, as you know |
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| 12:03.15 | Zugschlus | ma3x: and you didn't notice aptitude or apt deinstalling the other MTA on installation of the next MTA? |
| 12:03.19 | Zugschlus | Guerin: I am exim4 maintainer |
| 12:03.20 | newtolinux | bob2...I what meant the I used cat filename > device name....and ther rest happened...4partitions...and can not boot is it what you meant by dump is it the command cat? |
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| 12:03.26 | Guerin | Zugschlus: oh .. heh. |
| 12:03.28 | ma3x | okay now I get this error |
| 12:03.30 | ma3x | stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1] |
| 12:03.31 | liable | DarkRaven: you have the debian suspend scripts or the suspend2 ones? |
| 12:03.34 | ma3x | why? |
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| 12:03.42 | Zugschlus | ma3x: because you don't have an MTA running |
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| 12:03.49 | ma3x | Zugschlus, I do (pstofix) |
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| 12:03.53 | Zugschlus | ma3x: I suggest (a) finding out which MTA you have actually installed |
| 12:04.04 | Zugschlus | and (b) getting some clue about e-mail _BEFORE_ running an MTA on the public internet |
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| 12:04.30 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: you are ? then i'm interested in your opinion about the "best" imap and pop to go with that :-) |
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| 12:04.58 | Zugschlus | fireba11: I'd try dovecot first. I hate courier. Have been using it for too long. |
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| 12:05.04 | hyperstream | !foodhave they caught osama bin laden yet? |
| 12:05.05 | Zugschlus | (and, courier is a bitch to compile) |
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| 12:05.10 | hyperstream | have they caught osama bin laden yet? |
| 12:05.17 | hyperstream | my g/f thinks so |
| 12:05.18 | fireba11 | !dovecot |
| 12:05.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, dovecot is an IMAP server for Linux/UNIX-like systems, written with security primarily in mind. Easy to set up and doesn't require special maintenance. It should be faster than most other IMAP servers in overall performance. Currently the debian package is in the unstable tree. Ask me about "backports". http://dovecot.procontrol.fi/ - supports mbox and maildir |
| 12:05.18 | Guerin | !htfswk hyperstream |
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| 12:05.22 | dpkg | hyperstream: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 12:05.46 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: thanks, never heared of that one bevore |
| 12:05.47 | cahoot | hyperstream: trust your girl |
| 12:05.51 | ma3x | ok hold on, I removed exim4 with all of its conf. files, and now reinstalling postfix |
| 12:05.52 | Zugschlus | how do I correct dpkg's information about dovecot? |
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| 12:05.55 | liable | hyperstream: maybe she should run for president! |
| 12:06.00 | Zugschlus | Dovecot is in stable, testing and unstable |
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| 12:06.24 | fireba11 | someone update the emssage, then :-) |
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| 12:06.35 | Zugschlus | fireba11: how is that done? |
| 12:06.44 | sandman | Where's the unrar package? |
| 12:06.46 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: didn't found yout yet |
| 12:06.58 | cheal | !tell sandman about unrar |
| 12:07.00 | fireba11 | ouch .. sorry .. my typing sucks today |
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| 12:07.06 | Zugschlus | !dpkg help |
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| 12:07.09 | djp | audacity or gnusound anyone? |
| 12:07.11 | ma3x | ok it went fine |
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| 12:07.43 | cahoot | djp: of course |
| 12:07.53 | ma3x | Zugschlus, fireba11 I reinstalled postfix and it's all right now. Probably /usr/sbin/sendmail got overwritten by the other packages |
| 12:08.08 | Zugschlus | dovecot is an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up, and fast. Supporting mbox and maildir. http://packages.debian.org/dovecot |
| 12:08.11 | fireba11 | ma3x: looks like it |
| 12:08.31 | Guerin | Zugschlus: dpkg, no, dovecot is foo bar lalala |
| 12:08.39 | Zugschlus | Guerin: ah! |
| 12:08.42 | Guerin | Zugschlus: add dpkg, no |
| 12:08.52 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: what's your opinion on the old maildir or mbox question then ? :-) |
| 12:09.04 | djp | which do you recommend cahoot? |
| 12:09.05 | Zugschlus | dpgk, no, dovecot is an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up, and fast. Supporting mbox and maildir. http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dovecot.html |
| 12:09.10 | Zugschlus | argh |
| 12:09.14 | Zugschlus | dpgkg, no, dovecot is an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up, and fast. Supporting mbox and maildir. http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dovecot.html |
| 12:09.18 | hyperstream | Guerin, who wrote dpkg |
| 12:09.18 | petemc | heh |
| 12:09.22 | cahoot | djp: for what? |
| 12:09.24 | hyperstream | he is very clever bawt |
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| 12:09.28 | Zugschlus | dpkg, no, dovecot is an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up, and fast. Supporting mbox and maildir. http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dovecot.html |
| 12:09.28 | dpkg | okay, Zugschlus |
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| 12:09.31 | Zugschlus | *GNA* |
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| 12:09.35 | fireba11 | :-)# |
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| 12:09.42 | djp | cahoot, audio editor, mainly for voice recording. |
| 12:09.52 | Zugschlus | fireba11: maildir. |
| 12:10.24 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: thought so .. :-) was just curious to ask someone a lot more competent int that field :-) |
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| 12:10.35 | Zugschlus | fireba11: malbox is a legacy |
| 12:10.46 | Zugschlus | a nightmare, so to speak |
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| 12:10.51 | petemc | im still stuck hundreds of user using mbox |
| 12:10.51 | djp | there are so many audio editor packages in the debian repos cahoot, it is difficult to know where to begin! |
| 12:11.20 | petemc | djp: the beauty is, they're just an apt-get install away, you can try them all |
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| 12:11.32 | cahoot | djp: try audacity |
| 12:11.36 | djp | petemc, :) |
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| 12:12.09 | djp | ok cahoot, thanks. there is a starting point... ;) |
| 12:12.25 | Zugschlus | audacity is unfortunately not compiled with ALSA support |
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| 12:12.43 | cahoot | djp: if you run alsa and just want to record - arecord is the simplest tool |
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| 12:12.46 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: the mailserver here still was running exim3 with qpopper and UW-imap when i started here .. |
| 12:13.01 | Zugschlus | fireba11: that mailserver has the hostname "security-hole"? |
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| 12:13.25 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: no .. it's a smarthost behind a firewall .. but still ... |
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| 12:13.57 | djp | cahoot, ok thanks. yeah i do have alsa installed. from what Zugschlus says that may be a problem with the debian package audacity... |
| 12:13.58 | Zugschlus | ma3x: did you run dpkg --search /usr/sbin/sendmail yet? |
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| 12:14.20 | cahoot | djp: it's still useable with alsas oss-emulation |
| 12:14.24 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: since the HD died on me and i was in a hurry setting it up again i only changed exim to exim4 'till now ... what you suggest for pop ? qpopper seems terribly old to me |
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| 12:14.35 | djp | oh, fair enough cahoot. thanks |
| 12:14.38 | Zugschlus | djp: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=249157 |
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| 12:14.44 | ma3x | Zugschlus, didn't do that before. but now it says postfix |
| 12:15.02 | Zugschlus | ma3x: good. |
| 12:15.04 | djp | will check the link out Zugschlus. cheers... |
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| 12:15.20 | Zugschlus | ma3x: now telnet to localhost 25 and see what answers |
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| 12:15.58 | jm_ | !ops anyone active? please get rid of sEveNSiGn77 |
| 12:15.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: anyone active? please get rid of sEveNSiGn77 |
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| 12:16.07 | Guerin | to the start |
| 12:16.07 | Guerin | !test |
| 12:16.07 | dpkg | Yes, guerin, you're still online. |
| 12:16.13 | sandman | Is it true that some processors will run 386 code faster than 686 code? |
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| 12:16.21 | sandman | I heard that pentium 2s, for example, do that |
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| 12:16.39 | jm_ | really? that's strange as PII is 686 based CPU |
| 12:16.39 | ma3x | Zugschlus, 220 mail.debian.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
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| 12:16.43 | asuffield | sandman: not really, but there are similar things that happen |
| 12:16.53 | Zugschlus | ma3x: MAIL.DEBIAN.COM????? |
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| 12:16.56 | ma3x | hehe |
| 12:16.56 | fireba11 | ma3x: so it's really postfix answering .. good :-) |
| 12:16.56 | sandman | Such as? |
| 12:16.57 | asuffield | a 686 processor, such as a pentium 2, will run 486 code faster than 586 code |
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| 12:17.00 | ma3x | just kidding |
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| 12:17.07 | jm_ | thanks bob2 |
| 12:17.08 | Guerin | wow, crashtronic 9000 |
| 12:17.16 | Zvpun | I try to convince a friend to give Linux a try. He wants a Least Cost Router (LCR) for internet connection and know of none since I have a flat. I told him about flie4l but he doesnt want a router. Do you know of any LCR program? |
| 12:17.17 | asuffield | in fact, almost anything runs faster than 586 code if you aren't on a 586 |
| 12:17.21 | tarzeau | asuffield: what about 386 code? |
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| 12:17.36 | sandman | Yeah I'm curious about 386 code |
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| 12:17.42 | sandman | Because I know that 386 code tends to be simpler :) |
| 12:17.43 | asuffield | tarzeau: depends what you're doing. 386 has an agonisingly slow atomic lock procedure |
| 12:17.50 | asuffield | 486 introduces a much faster instruction for that |
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| 12:17.57 | bob2 | cmpxchg? |
| 12:18.07 | bob2 | Zvpun: www.lartc.org |
| 12:18.08 | asuffield | don't recall which one |
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| 12:18.12 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: you noticed my "what-to-use-for-pop3" question ? |
| 12:18.37 | Zvpun | bob2: I check the site, was the cmpxchg comment directed to me? |
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| 12:18.49 | asuffield | but if you do a lot of atomic locks, 386 code can be quite painful. older C code generally does not do this, new thread-aware C++ often does |
| 12:19.07 | Lumination | morning |
| 12:19.17 | bob2 | Zvpun: no |
| 12:19.17 | Lumination | or afternoon, depending |
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| 12:19.34 | fireba11 | Lumination: almost weekend here :-) |
| 12:19.40 | Lumination | :D |
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| 12:19.46 | Lumination | fireba11: where are you? |
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| 12:20.03 | fireba11 | Lumination: germany |
| 12:20.12 | Lumination | ahh yes... what is it like 2 or 3 over there? |
| 12:20.21 | Zugschlus | fireba11: dovecot does pop3 as well |
| 12:20.23 | fireba11 | Lumination: 14:20 yes |
| 12:20.31 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: oh, sounds nice |
| 12:20.38 | Zugschlus | fireba11: you happen to speak german? |
| 12:20.46 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: will try it on next install |
| 12:20.51 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: yes |
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| 12:20.55 | Zugschlus | fireba11: http://blog.zugschlus.de/archives/116-Dovecot-das-kann-doch-unmoeglich-so-einfach-sein.html |
| 12:20.58 | Lumination | fireba11: nice... I'm east coast U.S. I wish it was that late here... it's only half past eight |
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| 12:21.42 | Lumination | got a full day of work ahead |
| 12:21.42 | Lumination | heh |
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| 12:22.00 | Lumination | at least I can chat on IRC all day at work mwahaha |
| 12:22.05 | Zvpun | Lumination: :-) |
| 12:22.08 | fireba11 | Zugschlus: neat, thanks |
| 12:22.11 | Cueball | My system seems to have lost it's /sys mount. Any idea's why this would happen? mount -t sysfs none /sys will not work. Running 2.4.27 (from kernel.org) kernel. |
| 12:22.14 | bier | 0 |
| 12:22.29 | jm_ | /sys is a 2.6 thing |
| 12:22.34 | cahoot | Cueball: 2.4 uses /sys now? |
| 12:22.58 | Cueball | Ok then I guess it shouldn't have a sys |
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| 12:23.59 | Cueball | My lsscsi command has stopped working and it's error is "Unable to locate sysfsroot." |
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| 12:25.32 | Lumination | hey... just thought of something that has been bugging me... my memory meter stays at around 237/256mb used... is there any way to track or manage memory resources? |
| 12:25.50 | petemc | Lumination: to achieve what, exactly? |
| 12:26.02 | Lumination | petemc: less ratio of used-to-free |
| 12:26.20 | petemc | !free ram |
| 12:26.20 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
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| 12:26.40 | DarkRaven | liable, ähm i only have the hibernate scripts, where do i get the suspend2 scripts? i think i have them installed |
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| 12:27.30 | liable | DarkRaven: same thing. just from the suspend site is all. |
| 12:27.41 | Lumination | oh wow 105mb looks alot better than 19 |
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| 12:28.21 | DarkRaven | liable, you do not mean the patch do you? |
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| 12:28.27 | liable | DarkRaven: no |
| 12:28.48 | DarkRaven | do you mean the suspend2-userui-0.6.1? |
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| 12:28.52 | liable | DarkRaven: nm, if you ave the debian ones, should be ok.. |
| 12:29.21 | DarkRaven | liable, which debian ones? |
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| 12:29.35 | liable | DarkRaven: the hibernate package. |
| 12:29.42 | DarkRaven | liable, i only have the patch in the kernel included + the hibernate script installed |
| 12:30.07 | DarkRaven | liable, yep the hibernate.deb is installed |
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| 12:31.40 | brrrt | hello all |
| 12:32.11 | brrrt | i have a problem with my ide controller |
| 12:32.27 | Lumination | brrrt: cool |
| 12:32.29 | brrrt | my /dev/hd* devices disappeared |
| 12:32.29 | DarkRaven | liable, do you know what could be missing on my pc? |
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| 12:33.09 | brrrt | i see that the drivers are loaded with lsmod |
| 12:33.24 | brrrt | but there are no devices |
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| 12:33.35 | Lumination | brrrt: try lspci and see if your ide controller is listed |
| 12:33.50 | brrrt | yes ist listed |
| 12:34.09 | liable | DarkRaven: nup, sorry. |
| 12:34.15 | brrrt | VT82C586A |
| 12:34.15 | Lumination | brrrt: paste just that one line here |
| 12:34.26 | brrrt | 0000:00:04.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 12:34.27 | brrrt | and |
| 12:34.31 | birki_working | is there some manual how to install debian as a cable router/firewall? |
| 12:34.32 | brrrt | 0000:00:11.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20265 (FastTrak100 Lite/Ultra100) (rev 02) |
| 12:34.48 | jm_ | birki_working: you install it, then you configure it as a firewall/router |
| 12:34.55 | Lumination | brrrt: what kernel module are you using? |
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| 12:35.08 | brrrt | ide_core 138724 4 pdc202xx_old,via82cxxx,ide_disk,ide_cd |
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| 12:35.44 | birki_working | jm_ yes, i know how to install the system, but then i don't know how to configure a NAT/firewall |
| 12:35.57 | jm_ | birki_working: there are many documents about that -- /msg dpkg iptables tutorial |
| 12:36.01 | brrrt | and both pdc202xx_old and via82cxxx are used by 0 |
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| 12:36.15 | Lumination | brrrt: do you have any idea what that promise tech mass storage controller is? |
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| 12:36.30 | brrrt | sorry, no |
| 12:36.43 | Lumination | are you on that system now in dual boot or something? |
| 12:36.43 | brrrt | but the strange thing is that it worked last week |
| 12:36.52 | jm_ | birki_working: as well as the documentation on http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 12:36.56 | Lumination | brrrt: did you upgrade your kernel or anything? |
| 12:37.00 | brrrt | no i boot from scsi |
| 12:37.01 | idealbsd | how to increase tmpfs size with udev to run qemu along with kqemu module? |
| 12:37.19 | brrrt | yes i think i did a kernelupgrade on sunday |
| 12:37.26 | birki_working | jm_ thnx, i will teach myself now that |
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| 12:37.33 | Lumination | brrrt: do you still have the old kernel on your bootloader? |
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| 12:38.11 | js_ | my raid array has crashed and i cant umount it or anything.. is there something i can do to disable it so i can do a clean shutdown? |
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| 12:38.22 | brrrt | no, but i didnt delete it, as far as i remember it was an security update |
| 12:38.29 | jm_ | brrt;/proc/ide has all the details about recognized devices |
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| 12:38.46 | brrrt | i am using the standard kernel 2.6 i368 |
| 12:38.51 | brrrt | the image |
| 12:38.51 | Lumination | brrrt: you have a linux boot cd? |
| 12:38.53 | jm_ | probably somewhere in /sys with 2.6 |
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| 12:39.13 | brrrt | yes but the machine is 60 kilometers away :( |
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| 12:40.11 | Lumination | brrrt: oops... I was going to suggest booting to a linux kernel and mounting /boot and /root.... copy the kernel to boot and edit bootloader configuration... that's all I know... maybe somebody else knows something other than that |
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| 12:40.52 | brrrt | well, thx i will try that if i cant find another way :) |
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| 12:42.01 | brrrt | hmm, at /sys/block there is also just fd0 and sda |
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| 12:42.45 | jm_ | maybe you need to load some extra modules |
| 12:42.59 | brrrt | is there a way to find out whick devices are recognised? |
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| 12:43.32 | jm_ | sure, dmesg output |
| 12:43.45 | march | hello |
| 12:43.58 | jm_ | and poke arround in /proc or /sys |
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| 12:45.52 | pablo--mvd | hi any body knows a floppy that in th eendo of the boot process connects the machine to a terminal serv w2003k? |
| 12:46.35 | jm_ | pablob: not really Debian related, is it? |
| 12:46.40 | jm_ | pablo--mvd ^^^^^ |
| 12:46.54 | Lumination | pablo--mvd: I don't know of a floppy, and it's not debian related, but check out www.thinstation.org |
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| 12:47.28 | idealbsd | how to increase tmpfs size with udev to run qemu along with kqemu module? |
| 12:48.02 | jm_ | there, about 5th hit with google: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Mini_Distributions/ |
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| 12:48.27 | jm_ | http://netstation.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 12:49.15 | pablo--mvd | ok tnaks all |
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| 12:49.43 | Lumination | pablo--mvd: there are alot of alternatives, but I have used thinstation, and uses etherboot, so if you have an etherboot compatible net card, it will boot, run X, and use rdesktop to connect... basically it turns a regular machine into a linux-powered thin client |
| 12:49.43 | zignig | pablo--mvd: no; tnak you. |
| 12:49.50 | Lumination | hahaha |
| 12:50.39 | zignig | Lumination: ltsp (*now in testing) |
| 12:50.41 | freeza | has anyone gotten to work the broadcom bcm5l drivers with ndis under amd64? |
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| 12:51.16 | freeza | i downloaded some generic bcm5l 64bit drivers but they dont work with ndiswrapper |
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| 12:51.37 | liable | freeza: is there even windows 64 bit drivers/ |
| 12:51.38 | Lumination | jesus anne rice disgusts me |
| 12:51.45 | Lumination | zignig: ltsp ?? |
| 12:51.53 | freeza | yeah |
| 12:52.01 | Revenger | freeza: laptop? |
| 12:52.03 | Guerin | Lumination: Jésus Anne Rice? That's a weird name |
| 12:52.31 | Lumination | Guerin: mother is Mary Tom Clancy |
| 12:52.51 | freeza | yeah its an acer travelmate 4400 |
| 12:52.58 | Lumination | acers are the BOMB |
| 12:53.03 | Lumination | hehe |
| 12:53.07 | Guerin | Lumination: no wonder! |
| 12:53.16 | liable | you want to blow them up? |
| 12:53.16 | Revenger | freeza: all you prolly need is acer_acpi to actually enable that device. |
| 12:53.25 | Revenger | works for me, anyway. |
| 12:53.26 | DarkRaven | liable, a pity, but although thx for help |
| 12:53.30 | brrrt | when i want to install the originial kernel from the sarge cd, how can i achieve that, how do i manage the modules? |
| 12:53.31 | freeza | acer_acpi? |
| 12:53.37 | Revenger | google for it :P |
| 12:53.48 | Lumination | liable: well, them being the bomb, they want to blow me up, most likely |
| 12:53.50 | Whitman | What's the requirements for a package in unstable to get it into testing? |
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| 12:53.55 | liable | DarkRaven: yeah sorry, havent futzed with it for a while. |
| 12:54.10 | Guerin | Whitman: 10 days + no bad bugs + all dependencies same |
| 12:54.24 | Whitman | Thanks |
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| 12:55.06 | but_tera_ | mar_garina_: whatup |
| 12:55.12 | Revenger | freeza: in short, i have an amilo A1650 here. A64m3700+ with a broadcom wlan card. using the same driver. |
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| 12:55.26 | Revenger | freeza: acer_acpi allows you to turn that radio on. |
| 12:55.29 | bob2 | freeza: are you *really* running Debian? |
| 12:56.17 | kadigibox | Does anyone know if there is a special way to install J2EE 1.4 SDK? |
| 12:56.25 | Guerin | kadigibox: the topic does |
| 12:56.57 | Czar_Net | necessary of one program that connects linux in windows, with more than a usuario with simultaneos accesses |
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| 12:57.18 | Lumination | wow |
| 12:57.20 | Guerin | Czar_Net: so you've been saying |
| 12:57.22 | Lumination | do what? |
| 12:57.40 | Guerin | Lumination: he wants a multi-windows-client terminal setup |
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| 12:57.48 | Lumination | oOOooOohHHhHhhh |
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| 12:58.05 | kadigibox | actualy /msg dpkg java is for installing JRE or JDK |
| 12:58.06 | eLeK | i need a firewall for gnome |
| 12:58.10 | eLeK | is there any |
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| 12:58.16 | eLeK | ?? |
| 12:58.22 | antgel | eLeK: google |
| 12:58.26 | Lumination | eLeK: a frontend? |
| 12:58.27 | Guerin | eLeK: shorewall |
| 12:58.30 | Guerin | wtf |
| 12:58.35 | Guerin | why google for a firewall |
| 12:58.36 | eLeK | i found lokkit |
| 12:58.46 | kadigibox | I still need to know if there is a special way that I am supose to install J2EE 1.4 SDK |
| 12:58.46 | Guerin | eLeK: so why didn't you use it? |
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| 12:58.56 | Guerin | kadigibox: read the fucking /topic already |
| 12:58.59 | antgel | wtf, can't be bothered to type linux firewall into google?q |
| 12:59.01 | Czar_Net | Guerin, please help me |
| 12:59.08 | Lumination | kadigibox: wow... just /msg dpkg java |
| 12:59.14 | Guerin | Czar_Net: i don't really know what help you need |
| 12:59.15 | antgel | Guerin: the topic is nothing to do with j2ee, wtf?q |
| 12:59.15 | finkster | Hi there people. :)- When someone has a newly installed Debian system ( and a un touched kernel) in what directory can he get the .config file (to do make oldconfig)? |
| 12:59.18 | liable | help me FUXORZ!!! |
| 12:59.26 | jm_ | finkster: ls /boot |
| 12:59.38 | Guerin | antgel: j2ee == java, no? |
| 12:59.44 | finkster | Jm_: Okay! |
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| 12:59.47 | antgel | Guerin: no |
| 12:59.54 | Guerin | !j2ee |
| 13:00.07 | Guerin | wth is it then? |
| 13:00.14 | kadigibox | Guerin and Lumination THAT IS ONLY FOR JRE or JDK not J2EE 1.4 SDK |
| 13:00.15 | Guerin | oh |
| 13:00.19 | Guerin | it IS java |
| 13:00.21 | antgel | java 2 enterprise edition |
| 13:00.26 | Guerin | it's just 'enterprise edition' |
| 13:00.28 | bob2 | haha |
| 13:00.29 | Ether_Man | j2ee is java.. though not the java runtimes.. |
| 13:00.33 | Czar_Net | Guerin, To have access windows atraves of linux |
| 13:00.38 | Lumination | kadigibox: IT'S COOL TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS |
| 13:00.39 | Guerin | kadigibox: no fucking idea, ask sun. |
| 13:00.42 | bob2 | Guerin: it's the enterprise edition, duh! |
| 13:00.48 | Guerin | kadigibox: you have my apologies :) |
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| 13:01.00 | Guerin | bob2: just like the regular edition, only with more SHIT |
| 13:01.03 | bob2 | Nielsen: whiskey will help |
| 13:01.08 | bob2 | Guerin: itym "synergy" |
| 13:01.09 | antgel | Guerin: *nod* |
| 13:01.21 | Guerin | bob2: easy typo to make |
| 13:01.23 | kadigibox | I already tried fakeroot on it and I know it doesnt work like that |
| 13:01.30 | antgel | but it's enterprise shit |
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| 13:01.35 | Guerin | Czar_Net: i don't understand that. |
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| 13:01.44 | bob2 | I feel sorry for all the parts of the world that aren't south-eastern australia |
| 13:01.48 | bob2 | since you don't have oporto |
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| 13:01.56 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:02.01 | Lumination | how do I install J2ncc1701-d ? |
| 13:02.06 | Guerin | because there's no oporto in other parts of the world |
| 13:02.13 | Guerin | especially not in portugal |
| 13:02.20 | Guerin | Lumination: wtf is it? |
| 13:02.21 | fireba11 | !oporto |
| 13:02.24 | fireba11 | hmm |
| 13:02.29 | bob2 | Guerin: they have inferior portuguese chick in portugal, faict |
| 13:02.30 | Lumination | hehe... |
| 13:02.31 | e1vis | /semicolon |
| 13:02.31 | liable | wtf is oporto? |
| 13:02.32 | e1vis | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.37 | Guerin | bob2: hahah |
| 13:02.50 | kadigibox | I need to install it for my classes unless I want to use windows... |
| 13:02.52 | e1vis | sorry |
| 13:02.55 | Guerin | Lumination: bob2 is erroneously talking about an australian port-clone |
| 13:02.57 | bob2 | liable: the best chicken in the world, www.oporto.com.au |
| 13:02.58 | Guerin | liable: ^ |
| 13:03.03 | Guerin | oh, wtf |
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| 13:03.04 | Czar_Net | Guerin, To have access windows atraves of linux |
| 13:03.06 | Guerin | chicken? |
| 13:03.07 | bob2 | actually, not true |
| 13:03.13 | Lumination | Guerin: this will make me look like a trekkie, but ncc1701-d is a build of the Star Trek Enterprise... j2ncc1701-d is Sun's Java 2 Star Trek Enterprise Edition |
| 13:03.13 | antgel | kadigibox: just bite the bullet and install sun's .bin file |
| 13:03.15 | Guerin | what the hell is an atrave? |
| 13:03.15 | bob2 | Petersham Chicken in sydney is better |
| 13:03.18 | Kernel-Kris | anyone in a route helping mood? |
| 13:03.22 | Guerin | Lumination: oh. |
| 13:03.24 | liable | wow |
| 13:03.28 | Lumination | hehe |
| 13:03.35 | liable | never heard of it. |
| 13:03.37 | kadigibox | antgel, I wouldnt know where to install it then |
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| 13:03.54 | bob2 | liable: aren't you in .au? |
| 13:03.59 | liable | suppose there has to be something good about victoria :P |
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| 13:04.02 | antgel | kadigibox: /usr/local/j2ee or /opt/j2ee or /enterprisecock/j2ee |
| 13:04.14 | liable | bob2: yeah, north mostly in the sticks. |
| 13:04.18 | bob2 | liable: ah |
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| 13:04.28 | liable | bob2: cairns atm |
| 13:04.29 | bob2 | liable: next time you're in the big smoke then ;p |
| 13:04.36 | Guerin | kadigibox: from interest... why ee instead of reglar vanilla? The extra turds add flavour for you? |
| 13:04.40 | Kernel-Kris | how do i make a route active at boottime.......... |
| 13:04.44 | compguymac | is there something other then cpufreqd that i can use that is a xwindows application where i can turn down the cpu freq a tad, laptop cpu fan is going crazy |
| 13:04.54 | antgel | Kernel-Kris: man interfaces |
| 13:04.55 | bob2 | liable: wish I was there, the only time I feel warm here is in the shower |
| 13:04.57 | Guerin | Kernel-Kris: man interfaces |
| 13:05.02 | bob2 | Kernel-Kris: how complicated a route? |
| 13:05.06 | liable | bob2: hah :) |
| 13:05.07 | kadigibox | Guerin, um because I cannot find anything but ee |
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| 13:05.13 | Guerin | kadigibox: ... |
| 13:05.19 | Guerin | kadigibox: sun.java.com |
| 13:05.26 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 13:05.29 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
| 13:05.33 | Czar_Net | Guerin, understand? |
| 13:05.33 | Kernel-Kris | its a route to a /18 network with a basic gw located on the local net of the interface |
| 13:05.34 | Guerin | no sirree |
| 13:05.38 | Guerin | no rockets here |
| 13:05.53 | bob2 | Kernel-Kris: just set it with the netmask and gateway options in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:05.54 | Guerin | Czar_Net: no, because I don't know what an 'atrave' is |
| 13:06.06 | bob2 | Kernel-Kris: man 5 interfaces shows an example, as does /usr/share/doc/netkit-base/ |
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| 13:06.28 | Kernel-Kris | thanks |
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| 13:07.07 | Guerin | Kernel-Kris: bah, my brother's dyslexia coming to haunt me ... java.sun.com |
| 13:07.09 | sgeigerbot | Is there a tool to convert /etc/inetd.conf to /etc/xinetd.conf ? |
| 13:07.11 | Guerin | WTF |
| 13:07.14 | Guerin | kadigibox: ^^ |
| 13:07.14 | Czar_Net | Guerin, remote access of linux for windows, equal vnc |
| 13:07.16 | fireba11 | am wondering for a while .. what are the man numbers for ? like man 5 interfaces ? |
| 13:07.24 | abrotman | Guerin: java.com works also |
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| 13:07.35 | bob2 | fireba11: the "section" of the man page |
| 13:07.37 | sgeigerbot | xconv.pl Hmmm |
| 13:07.39 | antgel | sgeigerbot: what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:07.44 | sgeigerbot | antgel: convert |
| 13:07.45 | bob2 | fireba11: 5 is for config files, for instance, and 2 is for C functions (iirc) |
| 13:07.48 | fireba11 | bob2: thanks |
| 13:07.48 | Czar_Net | Guerin, understand? |
| 13:07.54 | Guerin | Czar_Net: i've never used vnc. if you mean remote logins to an X server etc; I'd use xdmcp. |
| 13:07.59 | antgel | sgeigerbot: why don't you stick with inetd?q |
| 13:08.04 | bob2 | fireba11: "man man" shows you the full list |
| 13:08.10 | sgeigerbot | antgel: xconv.pl < /etc/inetd.conf > /etc/xinetd.conf |
| 13:08.19 | bris | what is best file system for a file server samba ? |
| 13:08.21 | sgeigerbot | antgel: less /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 13:08.21 | Guerin | why use *inetd at all? |
| 13:08.32 | antgel | sgeigerbot: very nice, thanksn |
| 13:08.53 | antgel | bris: what is the best chocolate bar? |
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| 13:08.58 | Kernel-Kris | hey |
| 13:09.04 | bob2 | cherry ripe, duh |
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| 13:09.09 | Lumination | Ooo Ooo I KNOW I KNOW!! |
| 13:09.14 | antgel | nope, galaxy |
| 13:09.16 | Czar_Net | Guerin, where meeting xdmcp? |
| 13:09.17 | bris | antgel, chocapic |
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| 13:09.36 | rage_ | antgel: if you're really stuck then go for a sneakers or a mars bar |
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| 13:09.45 | Lumination | we could be like the undernet hoes and have a channel trivia bot hehe |
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| 13:10.02 | Guerin | Czar_Net: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ |
| 13:10.13 | liable | damn, frozen beer! :( |
| 13:10.19 | baboo | hi |
| 13:10.24 | rage_ | frozen beer? :-( |
| 13:10.36 | bris | ... |
| 13:10.46 | jethro | 88/win14 |
| 13:10.58 | liable | eh? |
| 13:11.24 | sgeigerbot | antgel: yes, it worked like a charm. |
| 13:12.05 | Lumination | And Charms WORK! :D |
| 13:13.10 | rage_ | Does anyone know of any mp3 players that can be controlled over a network easily? I've been looking at Music Player Daemon but I've had trouble finding any others. |
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| 13:13.32 | overnout | rage_: moosix |
| 13:13.49 | Guerin | rage_: mpd is about the only one worth using, unless you count ssh+screen+cplay |
| 13:13.53 | Guerin | rage_: which I do |
| 13:13.55 | liable | !tell m0rtix-BNC about away |
| 13:14.00 | rage_ | hehe :-) |
| 13:14.07 | fireba11 | okay .. weekend for me guys .. see you all on monday :-) |
| 13:14.16 | Lumination | fireba11: lucky bitch |
| 13:14.17 | Lumination | lol |
| 13:14.20 | rage_ | I want something my girl friend can use without getting too confused :-) |
| 13:14.25 | Lumination | !tell Lumination about lol |
| 13:14.30 | Guerin | rage_: mpd then |
| 13:14.36 | Lumination | hehe |
| 13:14.39 | Guerin | unless your girlfriend is smart |
| 13:14.50 | rage_ | She is, but yeah :-) |
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| 13:15.44 | Guerin | rage_: so why are you patronising her? Eh? Huh? |
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| 13:16.29 | clem_yeats | rage_ : what about a php or web based player ? |
| 13:16.44 | Guerin | eew |
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| 13:16.52 | rage_ | considering them, but I want something that can look a lot like xmms |
| 13:16.53 | clem_yeats | rage_ : or some kind of remote desktop ? |
| 13:17.01 | rage_ | which is what she's using |
| 13:18.28 | hatake_kakashi | funny thing about 3.1r0a, those DVD versions on http servers seem to show up wrong filesizes.. and the source DVD version does not work as well.. |
| 13:18.53 | Czar_Net | Guerin, this that passed me, does not decide my problem, finds that it did not understand what necessary, I have that to have access remote windows, using linux |
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| 13:19.29 | liable | hatake_kakashi: care to elaborate? or file a bug? |
| 13:19.36 | Guerin | Czar_Net: oh, ok - linux client, windows server? No idea, sorry. |
| 13:21.06 | Czar_Net | Guerin, Thanks |
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| 13:21.16 | liable | doesnt kde have remote desktop that works with windows? |
| 13:21.20 | sgeigerbot | Anyone have ideas on what's going wrong with my installation of cyrus-imapd: "imtest -p 143 -u sgeiger -m login localhost" gives me "S: * BYE Fatal error: can't read mailboxes file" and "failure: prot layer failure" (I tried changing /var/spool/cyrus/mail to /var/spool/mail in /etc/imapd.conf--apparently the only reference to a mail directory in the imap config files. It seemed to have no effect.) |
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| 13:21.33 | hatake_kakashi | liable, hard to mention, don't know exactly if it is a bug or not because this would be my first time getting stuff on debian.. if I was not mistaken, hours ago I could download DVD as in their full size, however it seems like it has been effectively reduced its sizes to almost 1/10th? 300+ megs for first binary DVD and ~<200MB for the second binary disk |
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| 13:21.41 | sgeigerbot | liable: what's wrong with vnc? |
| 13:22.22 | liable | sgeigerbot: fucked if i know, i havent played with that stuff.. :P |
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| 13:22.34 | sgeigerbot | liable: well, that's what most people use. |
| 13:22.37 | Lumination | vnc has much lower quality than rdp |
| 13:22.49 | Lumination | (for windows, anyway) |
| 13:22.55 | overnout | whats rdp ? |
| 13:23.03 | abrotman | !rdp |
| 13:23.04 | dpkg | somebody said rdp was an acronym. ask me about remote desktop protocol or reliable datagram protocol |
| 13:23.04 | Lumination | rdp=windows remote desktop protocol |
| 13:23.04 | hatake_kakashi | Lumination, what about in comparison to xdmcp? :) |
| 13:23.06 | liable | hatake_kakashi: with what jidgo? |
| 13:23.15 | Lumination | hatake_kakashi: no idea... |
| 13:23.18 | overnout | ohh ok thanks :) |
| 13:23.59 | sgeigerbot | liable: If you want to use RDP, then try freenx (/join #nx) |
| 13:24.06 | hatake_kakashi | liable, no, I tried downloading binary off http, that worked the first time, but then 1 or so hour later I tried getting it again, even after deleting the file and using another download manager or the browser to download, it shows up as 300+ megs for first cd |
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| 13:24.32 | Guerin | hatake_kakashi: ah. |
| 13:24.32 | hatake_kakashi | however, source DVD is with jigdo.. both binary DVD and source DVD with jigdo fails to work |
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| 13:24.36 | Guerin | !dvd images |
| 13:24.36 | dpkg | Many applications on 32 bit architectures will not download files over 2Gb correctly - including Debian DVD ISO images. Use a 64 bit architecture, or an alternate download method such as Jigdo or BitTorrent or lftp. Also ensure your file system does files over 2Gb. |
| 13:24.40 | liable | sgeigerbot: err, no I dont, i was actually trying to answer Czar_Net |
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| 13:24.54 | sgeigerbot | Czar_Net: If you want to use RDP, then try freenx (/join #nx) |
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| 13:24.59 | uservhy56 | dpkg: why is that? |
| 13:25.01 | dpkg | uservhy56: what are you talking about? |
| 13:25.02 | hatake_kakashi | Guerin, doubt it, I already have a fs that supports it |
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| 13:25.16 | Guerin | hatake_kakashi: many clients suffer the same problem |
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| 13:25.25 | Lumination | uservhy56: dpkg is a bot |
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| 13:25.28 | uservhy56 | er, 32bit not downloading files over 2gb |
| 13:25.36 | Guerin | hatake_kakashi: the answer is: use a real client - not a browser or something. Most ftp clients should do it. lftp does. |
| 13:25.49 | uservhy56 | correctly |
| 13:25.51 | hatake_kakashi | Guerin, hmm, but even with jigdo it fails |
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| 13:26.10 | zulkifar | Hi. pppd question. What option specifies timeout until pppd will try to reestablish a link? |
| 13:26.12 | hatake_kakashi | sounds interesting.. I thought http would have handled it well |
| 13:26.16 | antgel | uservhy56: i'll be the one to tell you that dpkg is a bot |
| 13:26.18 | FlopsyPete | I've installed foomatic-db, foomatic-db-engine, foomatic-filters and foomatic-db-gimp-print for printing to an Epson inkjet printer. does foomatic-db-gimp-print give me the PPD file for the printer? and if so, where does it put it? |
| 13:26.20 | Guerin | uservhy56: because some stupid clients use a 'long' for the file size - which gives a maximum number of about 2G |
| 13:26.34 | hatake_kakashi | I see |
| 13:26.41 | Gathond | uservhy56: 32 bit = 2 GB because that is the maximum bumber you can store in a signed 32 bit integer, why its a signed integer for filesizes I dont know |
| 13:26.43 | antgel | FlopsyPete: dpkg -L |
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| 13:26.59 | Guerin | Gathond: "nobody will ever need a bigger file than that" |
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| 13:27.07 | Gathond | Guerin: probably:) |
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| 13:27.22 | Lumination | hot coworkers rock |
| 13:27.23 | uservhy56 | oh |
| 13:27.30 | FlopsyPete | ahah. foomatic-db-gimp-print installs no PPD files |
| 13:27.31 | Gathond | Guerin: I think I personally would have used an unsigned, not that that would actually have solved it, just moved it to 4 GB |
| 13:27.41 | Guerin | Gathond: heh |
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| 13:28.20 | liable | FlopsyPete: try /etc/cups/ppd |
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| 13:29.17 | liable | Lumination: the air con is on the blink? |
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| 13:29.54 | freeza | damn revenger u still there |
| 13:29.59 | FlopsyPete | liable: thanks |
| 13:30.14 | hatake_kakashi | Guerin, still.. interestingly enough that jigdo also fails as well |
| 13:30.24 | Guerin | hatake_kakashi: yeah, that's curious |
| 13:30.39 | Guerin | i've never used jigdo, though |
| 13:30.41 | Anthro | Gathond: I think the deal is that the type passed into a seek call is the same as the type for the position in a file, and you can seek backwards. |
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| 13:31.04 | Zvpun | I try to convince a friend to give Linux a try. He wants a Least Cost Router (LCR) for internet connection and know of none since I have a flat. I told him about flie4l but he doesnt want a router. Do you know of any LCR program? |
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| 13:31.35 | Guerin | Zvpun: i already told you to scrounge a 486 up from someplace |
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| 13:31.42 | Gathond | Anthro: sounds probabel yes |
| 13:31.44 | hatake_kakashi | Guerin, ahh I see, I was a little surprised seeing jigdo and its claimed capabilities, however it fails to download fully after 12 or 13 or so files.. after it makes a dummy image |
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| 13:32.10 | liable | hatake_kakashi: 12 or 13 packages? |
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| 13:32.51 | liable | hatake_kakashi: worked like a charm for a standard iso here. maybe try another mirror? |
| 13:33.06 | Zvpun | Guerin: I checked the log, you didn't. I checked my question, you didn't read it. I want you to not answere if it isn't answering my question. I meight have reasons for the exact thing I ask for. |
| 13:33.14 | hatake_kakashi | liable, yeah, I noticed after 10th file for downloading DVD source it creates a dummy file to fill up required amount of iso and it continues downloading a bit before it comes up with that oops error message |
| 13:33.46 | hatake_kakashi | liable, I have tried 3 other ones.. including one from Germany, they seem to fail round about 12 or 13th file |
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| 13:34.11 | Guerin | Zvpun: you asked for a "least cost router". to me, that means a router which costs the least amount of money. a 486 is pretty minimal cost. |
| 13:34.23 | hatake_kakashi | heh though they are rare |
| 13:34.29 | Guerin | i note now that you said "program" - in which case, a low-cost router program would be iptables |
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| 13:34.58 | Zvpun | Guerin: :-) |
| 13:35.10 | hatake_kakashi | Guerin, ipcop may come in handy as well.. however zebra looks promising |
| 13:35.21 | liable | hatake_kakashi: hmmm, did you try the torrent one then for shits and giggles? |
| 13:35.33 | baboo | Guerin: iptables and a 486 would stay very low cost, I agree with you :D |
| 13:35.34 | petemc | a 486 would suck up a lot of juice, a wrt54g would be a lot more cost effective in the long run |
| 13:35.51 | Zvpun | Guerin: Why would you think that a guy still using windows is experience and could setup something with iptables alone? |
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| 13:35.59 | rbochan | petemc: but a 486 could do more |
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| 13:36.05 | hatake_kakashi | liable, yeah in the end I downloaded the binary DVD off torrent (now still seeding..) and as for the sources.. I got them in CD format instead :S |
| 13:36.07 | petemc | rbochan: really? hows that then? |
| 13:36.12 | liable | iptables/shorewall/ipmasq... |
| 13:36.14 | rbochan | file server, mail server, yada yada |
| 13:36.26 | jbroome | liable: /pf :) |
| 13:36.28 | hatake_kakashi | Zvpun, with scripts? that would help, or get webmin, etc |
| 13:36.29 | petemc | rbochan: you dont know much about the wrt54g, do you? |
| 13:36.34 | Guerin | Zvpun: there are readymade router applications which are utterly trivial to use. |
| 13:36.38 | rbochan | I use a 486 as a firewall/router and spam filter for the household |
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| 13:36.51 | hatake_kakashi | rbochan, nice |
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| 13:37.02 | liable | jbroome: ?? whats /pf? |
| 13:37.05 | jbroome | i'm using a p200 only because that's the slowest thing i had in the house |
| 13:37.10 | rbochan | mmm... fetchmail |
| 13:37.11 | Guerin | !pf |
| 13:37.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, pf is pink floyd, or a BSD packet filter (not related to Pink Floyd), or http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/index.html |
| 13:37.25 | jbroome | Guerin: sweet! thanks. :) |
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| 13:37.38 | antgel | when is pf Pink Floyd?q |
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| 13:37.50 | overnout | *grin* |
| 13:37.50 | Guerin | antgel: since the early 1960s |
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| 13:38.56 | golan77 | hi guys, I can't find info about this: when I run aptitude, I see: i A hotplug - Linux Hotplug Scripts |
| 13:39.00 | golan77 | what does the "A" stands for? |
| 13:39.11 | Lumination | FrEakIN CoPieRs... ARGH! |
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| 13:39.14 | liable | hatake_kakashi: try the mailing list for that one. |
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| 13:39.47 | golan77 | I find "A"s in some packages |
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| 13:41.31 | hatake_kakashi | liable, hmm, good idea, thanks for that, I will keep it in mind, though I'm not completely sure if it is a real big problem or not.. there is also another interesting thing.. if I'm not mistaken, comparing 3.1 to 3.0 was like a jump between 1 DVD to 2 DVD. Looks like debian has packed lots of stuff inside this time round and maybe the next release would be on DL? ;) |
| 13:42.03 | Lumination | hatake_kakashi: I bet you type around 85-90 wpm... ? ;) |
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| 13:42.54 | mon | hi, a friend gave me an Alpha board but i have no idea what kind of machine it came from. it probably has a 166mhz processor. anyone has an idea? |
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| 13:43.06 | liable | hatake_kakashi: is it only 2 dvd's? |
| 13:43.10 | hatake_kakashi | Lumination, hell no! I wish :) last time I did a typing test and the results came out 56WPM on net speed or something |
| 13:43.19 | hatake_kakashi | liable, for the latest one, yes |
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| 13:43.51 | Lumination | hatake_kakashi: ahh, you seem to get alot of words in on one go-round... you don't ramble on and on like I do tho... I have that curse of typing way too f*ckin fast... |
| 13:43.53 | abrotman | liable: for sarge .. i thought it was 3 .. but what do i know .. i still install with floppies :) |
| 13:44.16 | liable | abrotman: hehe, old timer :P |
| 13:44.28 | abrotman | liable: it's usually the easiest way! |
| 13:44.30 | hatake_kakashi | Lumination, heh, I also try and push myself to typing really fast.. but then I make a hell lot of mistakes |
| 13:44.57 | Lumination | heheh |
| 13:44.58 | abrotman | liable: external SCSI CD drives on alphas are a pain :) |
| 13:45.13 | hatake_kakashi | Lumination, and sometimes I have been known to type stories/essays even if it was a short email to my family |
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| 13:45.35 | abrotman | hrm .. wait .. i have another alpha .. but i have to flash it ... |
| 13:45.37 | hatake_kakashi | abrotman, that wouldn't be surprising :) where's the 3rd dvd? :D |
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| 13:45.50 | liable | abrotman: i could imagine they might be :) |
| 13:45.57 | abrotman | hatake_kakashi: i'm not saying for certain it is .. but i thought it was |
| 13:46.05 | Lumination | hell I do that on IRC... some of these mofos in here know that I have typed books before... I overdescribe and use adjectives way too much... hehe |
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| 13:46.30 | abrotman | guess iw as wrong |
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| 13:47.24 | hatake_kakashi | abrotman, ahh ok, I don't have much of a clue either.. and its my first time getting debian.. after messing with a few other distros in general sense.. I see debian looks very nice and I had it well planned that I would get it someday.. which somewhat happened :D |
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| 13:47.48 | abrotman | hatake_kakashi: most of us use the netinst image .. |
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| 13:48.10 | Lumination | netinst is yummy... |
| 13:48.21 | Lumination | but don't make the mistake of installing sid |
| 13:48.22 | Lumination | hehe |
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| 13:48.35 | hatake_kakashi | Lumination, heh but then othere people type shorter amounts to achieve same thing.. so by the time when you finnished typing your solution to a problem, the problem may have already been solved.. and you are stuck whether to send what you wrote out or to delete it :) |
| 13:48.38 | liable | ok.. |
| 13:48.51 | hatake_kakashi | abrotman, I presume installing over the network? |
| 13:48.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:49.00 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 13:49.00 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 13:49.02 | hatake_kakashi | abrotman, ahh ok |
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| 13:49.25 | TNKS | hi all. I noticed that ftp://ftp.nerim.net/ hosts a number of distros. Including both a "debian-marillat" and a "debian". I think "debian-marillat" is often used for the latest mplayer and acroread. Does anyone know what "debian" is about? |
| 13:49.45 | jethro | TNKS: it's a debian mirror |
| 13:49.55 | silverbb | where does php4 get installed? |
| 13:50.00 | TNKS | jethro, ahh. . . that makes total sense. . . |
| 13:50.04 | Guerin | silverbb: you don't need to know this |
| 13:50.04 | abrotman | silverbb: dpkg -L php4 |
| 13:50.12 | abrotman | silverbb: what are oyu trying to actually do with php4? |
| 13:50.13 | TNKS | I assumed it was some developer's variant. |
| 13:50.32 | silverbb | get it installed |
| 13:50.45 | liable | TNKS: visit the homepage and do as he says.. |
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| 13:51.03 | Guerin | silverbb: apt-cache search php4; start installing things |
| 13:51.13 | silverbb | I don't think it installed any executable |
| 13:51.29 | Guerin | silverbb: don't install it manually, don't build it from source, and don't use a non-debian package |
| 13:51.37 | abrotman | silverbb: what kind of exe? |
| 13:51.46 | Guerin | silverbb: if you want to run it interactively, you want php4-cli, i believe |
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| 13:51.49 | abrotman | silverbb: let's try this in english .. What are you trying to do? |
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| 13:52.11 | greycat | he probably doesn't know how to edit httpd.conf |
| 13:52.12 | silverbb | well... apache is not preprocessing the php documents |
| 13:52.14 | abrotman | silverbb: web pages? cli stuff? what? |
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| 13:52.20 | abrotman | silverbb: apache1 or apache2 ? |
| 13:52.22 | silverbb | 2 |
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| 13:52.27 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 13:52.32 | greycat | because, god alfuckingmighty, they can learn a whole programming LANGUAGE (php), but they can't learn httpd.conf! |
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| 13:52.45 | abrotman | silverbb: had you told us that .. to start with .. it would have been *much* simpler |
| 13:52.47 | greycat | or... they use apache2, which is just daft. |
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| 13:53.12 | liable | why? (out of interest) |
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| 13:53.26 | asuffield | greycat: how much have you dealt with the product of php coders? :P |
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| 13:53.32 | abrotman | can't we just kline that host ... |
| 13:53.47 | greycat | asuffield: as little as possible. I do run squirrelmail but that's it. Tried phpwiki once... switched to moin. |
| 13:53.48 | abrotman | asuffield: i have a pile of IDE zip drives :) |
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| 13:54.05 | asuffield | greycat: let's just say that it is absolutely no surprise to me that they can't comprehend httpd.conf :P |
| 13:54.08 | asuffield | abrotman: ....what? |
| 13:54.22 | abrotman | asuffield: http://www.tribulaciones.org/blog/computers/debian/debian-spirit_14-09-2005 |
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| 13:55.12 | asuffield | fucking piece of shit gnome fucktards who don't know what C-w is supposed to fucking do |
| 13:55.17 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 13:55.29 | asuffield | I fixed that once already |
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| 13:55.42 | quoth | why isn't beagle in the sid tree yet? |
| 13:55.52 | abrotman | because .. it's not ready? |
| 13:55.55 | greycat | quoth: because you haven't become a DD and uploaded it? |
| 13:56.01 | rbochan | because it's a dog :P |
| 13:56.01 | m0rtix | hi bros, how do i mount my usb key ? |
| 13:56.08 | abrotman | quoth: actually .. it is in sid |
| 13:56.10 | abrotman | !info beagle sid |
| 13:56.13 | dpkg | beagle: (indexing and search tool for your personal data), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.12-2 (sid), Packaged size: 616 kB, Installed size: 1892 kB |
| 13:56.21 | Guerin | whether it should be or not is another matter |
| 13:56.35 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:56.41 | greycat | "section gnome". that's all I need to know about it. |
| 13:56.46 | Kernel-Kris | i still need help addin a route at boottime |
| 13:56.47 | m0rtix | ow do i mount my usb key please? |
| 13:56.50 | liable | !tell m0rtix about usb mass storage |
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| 13:56.59 | liable | !tell m0rtix about repeat |
| 13:56.59 | greycat | m0rtix: what problem did you encounter when you tried? |
| 13:57.03 | TNKS | so I tend to lose track of the code names for Debian distros. I know that going backwards, it's "sid," "etch," "sarge". . . but I forget whether "potato" is before "woody." |
| 13:57.10 | silverbb | abrotman: that fixed it. thanks. |
| 13:57.15 | TNKS | and I don't know what's before that. |
| 13:57.15 | greycat | !history |
| 13:57.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 13:57.17 | liable | fuckit |
| 13:57.17 | asuffield | it's not only a 0.x version, that's a 0.0.x version |
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| 13:57.27 | tarzeau | greycat: telnet linuks.mine.nu 65535 |
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| 13:57.33 | abrotman | silverbb: feel better? :) |
| 13:57.35 | Kernel-Kris | i need help addin a route at boottime |
| 13:57.35 | m0rtix | i want to know how to mount my usb key |
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| 13:57.41 | TNKS | greycat, thanks. |
| 13:57.45 | greycat | tarzeau: okay.... |
| 13:57.45 | Guerin | asuffield: at least they're honesy. they could have started at 1.0 |
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| 13:57.51 | silverbb | I suppose.. for now. ;) |
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| 13:57.54 | tarzeau | Kernel-Kris: crontab @reboot or init.d script |
| 13:57.59 | tarzeau | greycat: okay you've tried it? |
| 13:58.04 | greycat | tarzeau: yes |
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| 13:58.14 | greycat | tarzeau: pat.ccf.org does not exist (Authoritative answer) |
| 13:58.25 | streuner_ | tarzeau: what's that? iam here in a i-net cafe... |
| 13:58.30 | greycat | (yes, our NAT *does* have a PTR record which has no matching A record) |
| 13:58.30 | asuffield | actually you probably want to add routes in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:58.34 | tarzeau | greycat: no ip? |
| 13:58.34 | abrotman | !tell m0rtix about usb storage |
| 13:58.35 | Kernel-Kris | tarzeau, there is no other way? |
| 13:58.39 | Rafael_Databus | alguem poderia me ajudar a configurar o modem no debian |
| 13:58.39 | psylocibe | there is a way to packetize a generic linux binary? |
| 13:58.41 | tarzeau | streuner_: it'll tell you peername and ip |
| 13:58.47 | greycat | tarzeau: I've *tried* to tell people how bad our networking department is. |
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| 13:59.01 | mario1 | als ob ichs noetig haett.. pff |
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| 13:59.04 | tarzeau | Kernel-Kris: hmmm, what's wrong with these two ways? maybe /etc/network/interfaces ... |
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| 13:59.11 | Guerin | psylocibe: eh? |
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| 13:59.15 | asuffield | greycat: gah, fucktards |
| 13:59.20 | greycat | !tell Rafael_Databus about br |
| 13:59.22 | tarzeau | greycat: i believe you every single word :) |
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| 13:59.38 | m0rtix | thx abrotman |
| 13:59.43 | Kernel-Kris | tarzeau: im trying to add routes to a network other than whats on the interface |
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| 13:59.52 | greycat | !static route |
| 13:59.52 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:00.37 | lewis | hey there |
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| 14:01.01 | Kernel-Kris | dpkg: thanks |
| 14:01.02 | dpkg | that's ok |
| 14:01.06 | lewis | I am about to purchase a new wired network card for my debian sarge box. Will I encounter any problems with a Netgear GA311 Gigabit card? |
| 14:01.21 | Kernel-Kris | dpkg, thanks |
| 14:01.21 | dpkg | that's ok |
| 14:01.29 | Czar_Net | how I liberate smpt and pop, using iptables for internal net? |
| 14:01.29 | tarzeau | lewis: check the kernel .config file of your kernel |
| 14:01.42 | tarzeau | lewis: ask google |
| 14:01.42 | greycat | Czar_Net: they're born free. how have you enslaved them? |
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| 14:02.02 | tarzeau | Czar_Net: iptables -F |
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| 14:02.17 | tarzeau | Czar_Net: you need redirects/portforwarding? |
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| 14:02.30 | greycat | I think he needs a translator first. |
| 14:02.32 | lewis | i am using a standard non-custom kernel: 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 14:02.33 | Czar_Net | tarzeau, no undertand? |
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| 14:02.43 | Czar_Net | ops, understand |
| 14:02.44 | abrotman | Czar_Net: what is your native language? |
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| 14:02.55 | streuner_ | Czar_Net: what are trying to do? |
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| 14:03.02 | greycat | lewis: first, figure out which chipset the card has. then figure out which version(s) of linux support that chipset. |
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| 14:03.19 | lewis | ok - one sec |
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| 14:03.34 | ircops | boom-shakalaka |
| 14:03.37 | tarzeau | lewis: check /boot/config-2.4.27* or so |
| 14:03.58 | tarzeau | lewis: if you said yukos or late nvidia nforce, they don't work with 2.4.27 |
| 14:04.04 | greycat | canonically, /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 14:04.16 | lewis | it is a Netgear GA311 |
| 14:04.20 | greycat | tarzeau: well it's clearly not an nforce. |
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| 14:05.13 | tarzeau | i've never had a netgear ga311 in my hands, and no idea what their driver in linux is called... |
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| 14:05.33 | uservhy56 | why do ppl here think that debian is the best distro |
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| 14:05.38 | lewis | just a gigabit version of the FA311 I reckon |
| 14:05.42 | uservhy56 | or one of the best |
| 14:05.43 | greycat | I don't even know whether there's a one-to-one correspondence between "netgear ga311" and a specific chipset. |
| 14:05.49 | greycat | !fa311 |
| 14:05.49 | dpkg | fa311 is probably netgear's fa311 card is supported under 2.4.x with natsemi.o; for 2.2.x, compile for yourself ftp://ftp.scyld.com/pub/network/netdrivers.tgz or get precompiled for 2.2.x kernels from http://www.personal.psu.edu/drb210/debian/ |
| 14:05.50 | streuner_ | uservhy56: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 14:06.03 | greycat | !ga311 |
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| 14:06.29 | hans__ | Anyone know of a good calculator app? xcalc bites. |
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| 14:06.41 | tarzeau | uservhy56: because it is? |
| 14:06.42 | uservhy56 | thanks, how do I find out all the things I can ask dpkg |
| 14:06.44 | greycat | oh my goodness! "NETGEAR's Gigabit PCI Adapter injects dynamic force into your home or small office desktop PC" |
| 14:06.57 | Guerin | greycat: good thing you told me |
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| 14:07.10 | antgel | hans__: apt-cache search. don't use wmcalc. it bites more and gets sums wrong |
| 14:07.10 | tarzeau | hans__: rpn or strange? |
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| 14:07.22 | Guerin | i'm not sure my home or small office pc could handle any more dynamic force |
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| 14:07.37 | hans__ | tarzeau: tks, I'll try those |
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| 14:07.42 | lewis | well, CONFIG_E1000=m is set in the kernel config |
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| 14:07.50 | streuner_ | uservhy56: you could download its db, ~20.000 factoids... |
| 14:07.52 | tarzeau | hans__: no no you want a calculator with rpn or not? |
| 14:07.52 | greycat | E1000 is for the intel gigabit NIC |
| 14:08.05 | lewis | ah |
| 14:08.08 | hans__ | tarzeau: doh! What's rpn? |
| 14:08.10 | antgel | uservhy56: try it and see |
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| 14:08.21 | tarzeau | anyone with e1000 got problems with nis lookups? like it hangs after 10 or so network packets for half a minute? |
| 14:08.24 | tarzeau | !rpn |
| 14:08.25 | dpkg | rpn is probably Reverse Polish (or Lucaszewicz) notation, also known as postfix. The arithmetic operators are placed after the numbers, thus removing the need for parentheses. For example, (3+(4*2)/7 becomes 3 4 2 * + 7 / or used in HP calculators, which is a large part of why they're a million times better than TI's. or at http://www.hpmuseum.org/rpn.html |
| 14:08.48 | greycat | first two google hits for "netgear ga311 chipset" are freebsd, and the second mentions re(4) |
| 14:08.56 | uservhy56 | jez, how do I download ie tarzeau. Ive been using it for about a month now. I just dont have much to compare it too as ive only tried fedora and redhat b4 |
| 14:09.02 | greycat | re(4) on my openbsd box is re - Realtek 8169/8169S/8110S PCI Ethernet adapter driver |
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| 14:09.08 | quoth | whats the beagle gui called? |
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| 14:09.09 | antgel | jesus |
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| 14:09.15 | m0rtix | is ok for my key usb |
| 14:09.16 | uservhy56 | fedora & solaris i mean |
| 14:09.17 | antgel | !tell uservhy56 about grounding |
| 14:09.18 | greycat | so if it's an rtl8169 chipset, you might be better off with 2.6.x or 2.4.31 |
| 14:09.20 | m0rtix | thank so much |
| 14:09.20 | hans__ | tarzeau: That might come in handy. What calc do you use most? |
| 14:09.22 | m0rtix | bye + |
| 14:09.24 | m0rtix | :) |
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| 14:09.31 | tarzeau | hans__: bc and dc, and then the ones with .app |
| 14:09.33 | greycat | lewis: nice googling! I'm glad you were able to use the interweb!! |
| 14:09.53 | Guerin | grr |
| 14:09.53 | lewis | the netgear uses Realtek chipset? |
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| 14:10.02 | Guerin | m0rtix-BNC appears to be incurably stupid |
| 14:10.02 | streuner_ | uservhy56: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 14:10.21 | Guerin | he's been told about /away, and about repeat, and about usb mass storage, and... |
| 14:10.31 | hans__ | tarzeau: are those console or X11 apps? |
| 14:10.35 | niklaus | can we have links across different file systems ? if not why |
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| 14:10.45 | Guerin | niklaus: sure you can. |
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| 14:10.50 | tarzeau | hans__: first two are console, second two are graphical (not only x11) |
| 14:10.51 | antgel | niklaus: soft links, yes |
| 14:11.10 | niklaus | Guerin: antgel : why only softlinks ? |
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| 14:11.42 | jethro | Guerin: that's because he's french I'd say |
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| 14:11.48 | greycat | niklaus: because you obviously do not know what a hard link is. |
| 14:11.49 | Guerin | niklaus: because a hardlink is just an alternate filename for a given file. There's only one actual file. |
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| 14:11.59 | nerdy2 | niklaus, because hardlinks create another inode that point to the same blocks on disk |
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| 14:12.09 | greycat | they do not create another inode. |
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| 14:12.23 | antgel | this could be the geekiest discussion ever |
| 14:12.26 | nerdy2 | oh well stupid me, n/m |
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| 14:12.43 | Guerin | niklaus: so if you tried to make a hardlink from one filesystem to another, you'd need to actually copy the file, which would obviate the need for the hardlink... |
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| 14:13.00 | greycat | antgel: nope. "Who would win in a fight, a wookie or a Klingon?" |
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| 14:13.10 | Guerin | wookie |
| 14:13.17 | antgel | draw |
| 14:13.21 | Guerin | hardlinks are GREAT |
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| 14:13.41 | nerdy2 | yes, what i said doesn't even match the semantics of hardlinks, n/m, it creates another thing which points to the same inode |
| 14:13.42 | greycat | they're not useful in terribly many situations |
| 14:13.51 | Guerin | want to put something in a ftp or nfs shared dir, but don't want to copy it? hardlink. |
| 14:13.52 | nerdy2 | cheap copies! :) |
| 14:13.54 | niklaus | Guerin: so across different file systems no links |
| 14:14.04 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 14:14.16 | greycat | Guerin: only works if your chroot is on the same file system as the directory where the object lives. |
| 14:14.17 | Guerin | niklaus: no HARDlinks. symbolic links (soft links) work fine. |
| 14:14.25 | Guerin | greycat: obviously. |
| 14:14.31 | hans__ | Guerin: whats the purpose of a hard link? |
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| 14:14.35 | antgel | my policy is now to plonk before i get agitated |
| 14:14.36 | Guerin | wtf |
| 14:14.37 | nerdy2 | want to create another working copy of a project, cp -al it over, and get your editor to break links appropriately |
| 14:14.41 | Guerin | i just explained it |
| 14:14.46 | elirips | hello. anybody knows how to set up this value, wine claims about: 'Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config file'? Where do I find that registry?? |
| 14:14.50 | streuner_ | haha |
| 14:14.53 | tarzeau | hi antgel |
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| 14:15.01 | greycat | elirips: try #winehq |
| 14:15.12 | lewis | greycat - what non-realtek-based gigabit network card would you recommend? |
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| 14:15.16 | elirips | greycat: thanks. |
| 14:15.21 | antgel | tarzeau: hi. arsenal played a swiss team on wednesday. fc thun |
| 14:15.23 | hans__ | Guerin: Ahh, ok, I see now. So if you create a hardlink, then delete the hardlink, does it remove the originally linked-to file also? |
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| 14:15.28 | cockroach | i'm trying to get my notebook to ask for a password when it wakes up from acpi sleep. i thought about using xlock for this, but I can't seem to find a way to make xlock ask for a password without showing a screen saver first. Is that possible? Or is there some other tool better suited for this? |
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| 14:15.33 | JMF | I am looking for a shell command that allows to send a file to a remote host in a batch (ie the password is in the batch and the system do not ask for it at runtime) |
| 14:15.39 | tarzeau | antgel: i'm absolutely bored of soccer , i have no clue |
| 14:15.40 | Guerin | hans__: nope. You delete either one, the other remains. |
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| 14:15.42 | greycat | lewis: the openbsd guys recommend intel or sk(4) which is SysKonnect. |
| 14:15.50 | JMF | scp and sftp do not seem to allow that |
| 14:15.53 | tarzeau | antgel: it's like if you'd give me a ferrari, it's just a car |
| 14:15.58 | niklaus | Guerin: is it correct to say hardlink creates another inode *i mean there are 2 inodes pointing to the same disk block * |
| 14:16.10 | antgel | tarzeau: fair enough. how's it hanging?q |
| 14:16.14 | hatake_kakashi | JMP: rsync? |
| 14:16.15 | hans__ | Guerin: so if I have file: a, I create hardlink to a called b, then delete a, b still remains? |
| 14:16.15 | nkuttler | cockroach: xtrlock? |
| 14:16.18 | lewis | i might just get an intel 100mb adapter - the intel gigabit ones are costly |
| 14:16.23 | Guerin | JMF: google ssh unattended; it's possible with passphrase-free public key auth |
| 14:16.23 | ircops | lo and to da flo |
| 14:16.26 | tarzeau | antgel: it's like one thing got better, and another much worse |
| 14:16.26 | hans__ | Guerin: or is it now a broken link? |
| 14:16.36 | antgel | tarzeau: i hear that. it's not one of life's _real_ pleasures, like, um, irc |
| 14:16.38 | cockroach | nkuttler: thanks, trying... |
| 14:16.39 | nerdy2 | JMF, scp -B |
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| 14:16.53 | Guerin | hans__: it remains. Hardlinks don't break. |
| 14:17.03 | tarzeau | lewis: or a 3com or a dechip,tulip based one ... |
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| 14:17.16 | antgel | hans__: file deleted when all hard links gone |
| 14:17.17 | Guerin | niklaus: i don't think so. I'm not clear on what happens at inode level. |
| 14:17.21 | FlopsyPete | if I've setup a print server with cupsys, is the only way to print to it from a workstation to installcupsys on each workstation, then create a print queue on each workstation that points to the print queue on the print server? or can I get away with not installing cupsys on the workstation? |
| 14:17.21 | tarzeau | nkuttler: i wish nkuttler would work with pam |
| 14:17.26 | tarzeau | nkuttler: xtrlock, even |
| 14:17.26 | cockroach | nkuttler: nice! |
| 14:17.35 | JMF | nerdy2: I tried but I do not understand how I give the password |
| 14:17.38 | aPerlSaiyn | I'm having problems with /dev/random getting drained and not replenished on some servers w/ 2.6.8 kernel |
| 14:17.43 | niklaus | greycat: is it correct to say hardlink creates another inode *i mean there are 2 inodes pointing to the same disk block * |
| 14:17.53 | streuner_ | Do you have many choices for a NIC in 1000 ? |
| 14:17.54 | greycat | niklaus: no, that is incorrect. |
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| 14:17.55 | streuner_ | at all |
| 14:18.03 | antgel | FlopsyPete: need cupsys-client on clients |
| 14:18.13 | nerdy2 | JMF, oh n/m then, follow their advice |
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| 14:18.27 | kapil | JMF: use ssh with an agent |
| 14:18.28 | niklaus | greycat: then what is it exactly ? |
| 14:18.32 | streuner_ | according to config (kernel) there aren't many NIC's supported... |
| 14:18.34 | antgel | aPerlSaiyn: ##linux |
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| 14:18.42 | greycat | niklaus: it's a second directory entry that has the same inode number as the other entry. |
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| 14:18.55 | Guerin | agent+passphrase is far more secure than no-passphrase, but you still have to enter the passphrase at least once |
| 14:18.58 | hatake_kakashi | JMF, what about rsync? |
| 14:19.08 | lewis | ok - gigabit 3com - know what chipset it uses? |
| 14:19.17 | greycat | lewis: google.com |
| 14:19.29 | lewis | :) |
| 14:19.33 | niklaus | greycat: can you be a bit more elaborate. i think i understood something but not fully |
| 14:19.36 | kapil | hatake_kakashi: rsync also needs authentication. |
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| 14:19.42 | FlopsyPete | antgel: I've installed that on the workstation and still don't know how to actually print to the printer (no docs, no manual, for cupsys-client) |
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| 14:19.51 | greycat | niklaus: a directory in Unix is just a set of "filename", "inode number" pairs. |
| 14:20.03 | niklaus | greycat: yes |
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| 14:21.14 | hatake_kakashi | kapil, hmm :/ |
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| 14:21.14 | greycat | niklaus: too bad LINUX is so fuck-tarded that it PREVENTS you from catting a directory so you can see that. |
| 14:21.15 | niklaus | greycat: i think you can open it in vi |
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| 14:21.15 | JMF | hatake_kakashi: the password must be in a file if I understand correctly |
| 14:21.15 | lewis | sk98 driver... |
| 14:21.15 | kapil | FlopsyPete: edit the client configuration file and put in the name of the server. |
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| 14:21.15 | jethro | Guerin: I agree with you for the agent+passphrase. that's why I use keychain now :) |
| 14:21.15 | JMF | kapil: what do you mean by agent ? |
| 14:21.15 | kapil | JMF: man ssh-agent |
| 14:21.23 | Guerin | i use unattended between hosts I'm confident are secure |
| 14:21.32 | hatake_kakashi | JMF: I hear that mirrors mostly use rsync.. and it is most likely that they are doing it with crontab... and that therefore leads to the idea of such automation.. |
| 14:21.44 | jethro | I ve never heard of unattended. lets google it |
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| 14:21.59 | Guerin | jethro: just pubkey auth with no passphrase |
| 14:22.01 | FlopsyPete | kapil: great |
| 14:22.06 | lewis | greycat - CONFIG_SK98LIN=m - that ok? |
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| 14:22.17 | Randall64 | Does anyone know how to get gnome to let go of the F10 keybinding? |
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| 14:22.21 | Guerin | if the box with the pubkey on it gets pwn3d, you're fucked |
| 14:22.23 | JMF | hatake_kakashi: I will search deeper, thanks :) |
| 14:22.37 | JMF | kapil: thanks, I'll take a look at that |
| 14:22.40 | jethro | Guerin: sure. I didn't know the term "unattended" |
| 14:22.46 | Randall64 | It's not in Keyboard Shortcuts and if I bind F10 to something else, then release it, gnome still captures it. |
| 14:23.08 | lewis | last question - what is the command to bring up the tool, where you select modules to enable? |
| 14:23.16 | jethro | modconf? |
| 14:23.20 | lewis | that's the one :) |
| 14:23.23 | niklaus | greycat: so it is an another entry in the directory , the file is removed if all the entries are deleted |
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| 14:23.53 | hatake_kakashi | jethro, unattended with ssh could most likely be what Guerin mentioned.. even PuTTYgen help file even says that it is not highly recommended, etc.. |
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| 14:23.55 | __naquad__ | hello everyone |
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| 14:24.21 | hatake_kakashi | liable, as in? age? :) |
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| 14:24.29 | ircops | __naquad__: whatup |
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| 14:24.35 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 14:24.52 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: hi. did you sent the mail? |
| 14:24.55 | ircops | wassup nankey |
| 14:25.04 | Randall64 | Anyone use emacs in gnome? |
| 14:25.12 | compguymac | anyone in here know about cpufreqd and being able to make your processor in a laptop decrese in speed due to over heating and making the fan run constantly? |
| 14:25.16 | Guerin | hatake_kakashi: yeah. It needs to be treated with care, and you can and should also restrict which commands can be run with it, etc. |
| 14:25.20 | liable | err, was thinking if your tongue is long enough.... |
| 14:25.40 | greycat | it's not tongue length that matters; but rather, stamina. |
| 14:25.41 | Guerin | !anyone use Randall64 |
| 14:25.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses Randall64, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:25.58 | liable | too far! |
| 14:26.02 | ircops | lol |
| 14:26.03 | compguymac | wow, is that possible? |
| 14:26.07 | hatake_kakashi | Guerin, true |
| 14:26.13 | twentyone | I like to think so |
| 14:26.27 | compguymac | thats a little off the chart |
| 14:26.36 | __naquad__ | people, I got some stupid proble with Delete key: after I made apt-get upgrade my /etc/terminfo has disapeared, everything works fine, but delete now says: root@TheNaquad:~# |
| 14:26.37 | __naquad__ | bash: bash_execute_unix_command: cannot find keymap for command |
| 14:26.37 | __naquad__ | root@TheNaquad:~# 3 |
| 14:26.37 | __naquad__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:26.39 | Guerin | who says #debian people have no class, eh? |
| 14:26.41 | liable | ok, enough, sorry i mentioned it.. |
| 14:26.44 | compguymac | ircops, i think you have a licking problem |
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| 14:26.53 | ircops | hehe |
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| 14:27.14 | ircops | __naquad__: pastey |
| 14:27.22 | __naquad__ | :) |
| 14:27.28 | ircops | like liquid cement |
| 14:27.36 | lewis | I cannot find the SK98LIN module in modconf. I am looking to enable the module for a 3com gigabit ethernet card. Any advice? |
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| 14:27.57 | streuner_ | lewis: grepy your kernel-config |
| 14:28.02 | Guerin | lewis: it's in debian 2.6.11 stock kernels |
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| 14:28.05 | __naquad__ | Is there any solutions with this Delete problem? |
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| 14:28.06 | streuner_ | lewis: s/grepy/grep |
| 14:28.08 | FlopsyPete | kapil: thanks for the client.conf tip. cupsys-client could really do with having a doc say that in /usr/share/doc/cupsys-client |
| 14:28.09 | Guerin | lewis: i suggest you use one o' those |
| 14:28.15 | lewis | my kernel has CONFIG_SK98LIN=m |
| 14:28.27 | Guerin | lewis: so modprobe sk98lin |
| 14:28.28 | Devil_Kin | hey all - is hotplug firmware loading broken as of today's hotplug? |
| 14:28.29 | streuner_ | ok |
| 14:28.35 | liable | lewis: well, modprobe it? |
| 14:28.43 | Guerin | lewis: don't use modconf if you know the name of the module, that's stupid |
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| 14:28.49 | lewis | sorry - not done this in a while, thought it would be in the modconf... |
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| 14:28.56 | Guerin | lewis: it will be |
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| 14:29.10 | Guerin | but do you look up each word in a dictionary before you use it? |
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| 14:29.13 | lewis | just got to find it :) |
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| 14:29.31 | kapil | __naquad__: create the /etc/terminfo directory and copy the entry for your terminal from /usr/share/terminfo. |
| 14:29.39 | lewis | ah - found it - it was in a category of its own - just making sure |
| 14:29.46 | __naquad__ | kapil, thnx I'll try to do it now |
| 14:29.50 | compguymac | is there a differnet server that has a debianppc room where people actually talk? |
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| 14:30.02 | kapil | __naquad__: then start investigating how /etc/terminfo disappeared! Sounds bad. |
| 14:30.06 | otroean | Hi. I've installed tightvncserver but when i connect to it I only get a terminal windows and grey background. I want everything on my desktop to apair... |
| 14:30.11 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: sorry, had no time |
| 14:30.23 | streuner_ | lewis: echo 'sk98lin' >> /etc/modules |
| 14:30.25 | __naquad__ | kapil, thnx it worked :) |
| 14:30.27 | compguymac | otroean, use vnc4server |
| 14:30.28 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: np:) |
| 14:30.31 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: i've hardly been home, not at all at the computer where i sent the mail from |
| 14:30.35 | compguymac | apt-get install vnc4server |
| 14:30.39 | |dennis| | question: i want to install apache2-mpm-wrker, fine..it works using aptitude. but when i install php4, it uninstalls the apache2-mpm-worker and installs apache2-mpm-prefork. why is this? i want the worker mpm and not the prefork but php4 insists on uninstalling the worker adn installing the prefork?? any ideas as to why. does php4 work only with the prefork and not worker?? please help.... thanks in advance.. |
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| 14:30.46 | ircops | |dennis|: nice book |
| 14:30.47 | otroean | compguymac, thnx |
| 14:30.54 | compguymac | welcome |
| 14:31.14 | greycat | ircops: I can summarize it. "I use apache2 and I installed php4 without reading apt-cache search php apache2" |
| 14:31.15 | kapil | otroean: try x11vnc instead of the tightvncserver. The former exports your current desktop, the latter exports a newly created desktop (which may have no clients!). |
| 14:31.25 | liable | |dennis|: look at the depends.. |
| 14:31.29 | ircops | greycat == universal translator |
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| 14:31.47 | Guerin | !greycat |
| 14:31.47 | dpkg | hmm... greycat is one of the rudest people. You should ask BenC to help you instead. He's very polite and friendly. I'm sure he'll be happy to answer _all_ your questions. |
| 14:31.52 | Guerin | wtf |
| 14:31.52 | compguymac | otroean, you should also consider xfce for clients comptuers to connect to, its a lot faster then kde or gnome |
| 14:31.52 | greycat | APACHE2 IS NOT APACHE. They don't work the same. It's just like linux2.6 and linux. |
| 14:31.54 | ircops | hahahaha |
| 14:32.01 | liable | |dennis|: and please loose the | in your nick.. |
| 14:32.02 | greycat | Or gtk2.0 and gtk. |
| 14:32.03 | Guerin | who ruined the greycat facoid? |
| 14:32.07 | greycat | Guerin: me. |
| 14:32.11 | lewis | thank you for all your help. |
| 14:32.18 | ircops | heh |
| 14:32.21 | abrotman | !factinfo greycat |
| 14:32.21 | dpkg | greycat -- last modified at Fri Sep 2 23:14:58 2005 by greycat!i=rfc1413@wooledge.org; it has been requested 7 times, last by Guerin, 34s ago. |
| 14:32.29 | Guerin | i see. |
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| 14:32.50 | Guerin | so you're no longer an error-message-to-apt-get-install translation bot |
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| 14:33.11 | greycat | maybe a rude one. |
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| 14:33.49 | liable | greycat: you the author of the fable? |
| 14:33.52 | greycat | yes |
| 14:33.58 | |dennis| | i/j apache |
| 14:34.03 | liable | quite funny. |
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| 14:34.16 | Guerin | funny isn't the word I'd use |
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| 14:34.21 | ircops | If (greycat == rude) AND (question == complex) And (question == wordy) then { /msg greycat translate $question } |
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| 14:35.15 | greycat | function private-msg-callback (nick whodunit) { /ignore $whodunit MSG } |
| 14:35.16 | liable | Guerin: and that word would be? |
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| 14:35.54 | Guerin | liable: i can think of a few; i'm sure you can too, if you put your mind to it. |
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| 14:35.55 | otroean | after installing vnc4server i can't open terminal windows anymore. just says opening terminal and disapears.. |
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| 14:36.02 | selim | can someone help me with a little php problem, I've installed php4 but when I try to start a php script via shell I only get the code printed on standard output |
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| 14:36.16 | selim | any idea what could cause this problem? |
| 14:36.19 | Guerin | selim: php4-cli? |
| 14:36.36 | greycat | selim: dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 14:36.49 | greycat | (but don't flood us) |
| 14:36.57 | zinx | selim: not using the debian config file for it |
| 14:37.05 | compguymac | can someone help me please |
| 14:37.05 | compguymac | ? |
| 14:37.15 | Guerin | compguymac: no. |
| 14:37.19 | compguymac | :( |
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| 14:37.22 | compguymac | pouts in corner |
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| 14:37.27 | Guerin | compguymac: not until you ask a question worth answering, anyway. |
| 14:37.52 | compguymac | Guerin, how have my last posts not been worthy? |
| 14:37.52 | zinx | selim: how did you install php4? |
| 14:38.01 | selim | guerin, greycat php4-cli is installed, and dpkg -l |grep shows me the list of installed apache packages |
| 14:38.04 | Guerin | compguymac: i don't know, i didn't see them. |
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| 14:38.16 | liable | compguymac: if your rolling your own kernel, try the on-demand govenor. |
| 14:38.21 | ircops | compguymac: apparently they weren't noticed... that makes them unworthy |
| 14:38.24 | selim | zinx: apt-get install php4 |
| 14:38.25 | Czar_Net | how he would be iptables to liberate the smtp and pop3? |
| 14:38.28 | ircops | compguymac: hehe j/k |
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| 14:38.37 | zinx | selim: you need libapache-mod-php4 or libapache2-mod-php4 too |
| 14:38.44 | abrotman | #iptables .. netfilter.org .. lartc.org |
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| 14:38.49 | compguymac | im using debian on an ibook G4, i need to know if anyone in here know anything about cpufreqd |
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| 14:38.56 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 14:38.56 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 14:39.05 | Guerin | compguymac: clearly not, since nobody answered. |
| 14:39.21 | selim | zinx: both are installed |
| 14:39.29 | compguymac | ur still bitter? or is that just your attitude about everytihng? |
| 14:39.41 | abrotman | selim: php4-cli |
| 14:39.44 | liable | surely google knows about cpufreqd.. |
| 14:39.59 | Guerin | I'm not being bitter... that's the most likely and sensible explanation I can come up with as to why you didn't get an answer. Have you got a better one? |
| 14:40.02 | Guerin | !ur |
| 14:40.02 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 14:40.17 | Czar_Net | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:40.23 | ircops | mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 14:40.36 | otroean | kapil, Can't find xllvnc. Tried to search stable, unstable, and testing |
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| 14:40.47 | liable | !slap ircops |
| 14:40.55 | ircops | hehe |
| 14:40.56 | Guerin | otroean: x11 - eks one one |
| 14:41.14 | Manoj` | Guerin, I am not sure you are helping |
| 14:41.26 | Guerin | Manoj`: ? |
| 14:41.27 | Manoj` | Guerin, can you dial back the sarcasm, please? |
| 14:41.39 | ircops | simma down now |
| 14:41.42 | Guerin | Manoj`: i'm not being sarcastic, I'm being serious. |
| 14:41.43 | liable | err xll is most prolly supposed to be x11 |
| 14:41.52 | ircops | seriously sarcastic |
| 14:42.00 | Guerin | he seems to have searched on XLLvnc |
| 14:42.04 | liable | Manoj`: can you stfu? |
| 14:42.11 | Guerin | ... |
| 14:42.15 | Manoj` | liable, language. |
| 14:42.24 | liable | fucj off! |
| 14:42.25 | selim | abrotman: is installed |
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| 14:42.29 | antgel | *sigh* |
| 14:42.30 | abrotman | show the fine umbrella ? |
| 14:42.31 | liable | gah! |
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| 14:42.38 | ircops | liable: yeah, language. let's not be rated higher than PG. Wouldn't be good |
| 14:42.42 | abrotman | selim: and how are you running your php4 script ? |
| 14:42.51 | greycat | ircops: yeah, being rated G would indeed suck. |
| 14:42.58 | greycat | ircops: good thing we're not fucking Disney Land. |
| 14:43.12 | abrotman | i would be .. i could be space mountain!!! |
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| 14:43.18 | ircops | greycat: you didn't like march of the penguins? I thought it was good... I just watched it for the tux-luv tho |
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| 14:43.33 | abrotman | ircops: you stay on that side of the channel please |
| 14:43.38 | ircops | hahah |
| 14:43.41 | liable | !commit ircops |
| 14:43.47 | liable | damn. |
| 14:43.50 | ircops | heh |
| 14:44.04 | selim | abrotman: as shellscript with the first line #!/usr/bin/php4 |
| 14:44.11 | abrotman | uhm |
| 14:44.19 | ircops | !tell ircops about being a dumbass |
| 14:44.21 | Manoj` | while we are indeed not disneyland, there is little reason to descend to invective either. |
| 14:44.34 | greycat | !fable |
| 14:44.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, fable is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 14:44.35 | Manoj` | and it does scare off, or offend, people. |
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| 14:44.56 | liable | Manoj`: indeed, and you can always /part |
| 14:44.56 | ircops | invective? heh. wordage |
| 14:45.00 | abrotman | selim: is it a sensitive script ? |
| 14:45.12 | azeem | liable: uhm |
| 14:45.15 | ircops | Manoj`: are you a middle school english teacher? |
| 14:45.20 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 14:45.29 | antgel | Manoj`: it offends some people here that some people can't be arsed to do any research on anything themselves, despite the resources available |
| 14:45.44 | azeem | antgel: they can /part |
| 14:45.46 | oskie | what's the command to reset the keyboard rate etc (if you happened to unplug and replug the keyboard) |
| 14:45.52 | selim | abrotman: sensitiv, you mean case sensitive? |
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| 14:46.01 | abrotman | yay.. the day #debian implodes! |
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| 14:46.10 | abrotman | selim: no .. i mean .. can you share it(and don't paste it here) |
| 14:46.13 | liable | azeem: uhm what? |
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| 14:46.30 | selim | abrotman: no it's not and I can paste it with no paste |
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| 14:46.47 | Manoj` | ircops, no, I merely have acquired a modicum of command over th4e language. |
| 14:46.47 | abrotman | selim: paste it on a site somewhere .. please |
| 14:47.00 | Guerin | heh |
| 14:47.13 | ircops | Manoj`: Apparently you need work on your pronouns, though. |
| 14:47.25 | ircops | errr |
| 14:47.27 | Manoj` | antgel, letting lazy morons define our interaction seems equally suboptimal. |
| 14:47.30 | ircops | not pronouns |
| 14:47.32 | ircops | lol |
| 14:47.34 | jair_11 | guys which will be the best and more secure way of tets if a Dell poweredge server is supported by Debian, my concern is the CERC Dell Raid controller. |
| 14:47.35 | jrbn | hi all, i've got a problem after updated from sarge to etch |
| 14:47.47 | Guerin | whereas I actually AM a middle school english teacher... |
| 14:47.52 | Guerin | (for whatever that's worth) |
| 14:47.53 | jair_11 | I should try to boot with the netinst to see if is recognized? |
| 14:47.54 | jrbn | i use cryptsetup to crypt my tmp directory e the swap space |
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| 14:48.03 | liable | jesus christ. wtf is going on? all the ubuntu users are coming here and arent used to swearing???? |
| 14:48.06 | Manoj` | jair_11, try knoppix |
| 14:48.16 | jair_11 | Manoj`, why knoppix? |
| 14:48.17 | ircops | hahaha |
| 14:48.18 | antgel | azeem: correct. anyone can /part. lots of people get greate help here and come away chuffed. surprisingly, they don't make their feelings known as they don't have hurt pride |
| 14:48.25 | jair_11 | Mandus, why not the debian netinst |
| 14:48.25 | jrbn | that's run all ok, but after updated at the boot the system ask me a passphrase |
| 14:48.28 | jair_11 | ? |
| 14:48.32 | Manoj` | jair_11, chances are, if a knoppix cd works striaght off, you can install debian on it |
| 14:49.00 | selim | abrotman: this is the beginning http://rafb.net/paste/results/DIrEKd52.html |
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| 14:49.08 | abrotman | i want someone .. someday to explain why portmap is installed by default |
| 14:49.18 | jrbn | I don't know wich passphrase it wants, but mw swap partition is not active |
| 14:49.26 | antgel | abrotman: i'm not sure it still is |
| 14:49.35 | Nurbs | or inetd :o) |
| 14:49.37 | Guerin | abrotman: stuff needs it. There's a debconf question to have it listen only on 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:49.37 | liable | abrotman: me too. |
| 14:49.38 | jair_11 | Mandus, I know it is a good Idea but If I boot the netinst or the business card then I stop the installation I can see if works because now debian is stable and I think that knoppix use dis and etch |
| 14:49.39 | jrbn | instead of my tmp directory worsk well... |
| 14:49.43 | Manoj` | jair_11, knoppix is a live CD with great hardware detection; so it does nothing to the current system harddrive. Now, if knoppix fails ti does not mean debian shall as well, but a succesful knoppix boot implies a failry straight forward debian install. |
| 14:49.45 | liable | antgel: it is. |
| 14:49.58 | abrotman | antgel: i'm doing it now .. and it is |
| 14:49.59 | jair_11 | Manoj`, I know it is a good Idea but If I boot the netinst or the business card then I stop the installation I can see if works because now debian is stable and I think that knoppix use dis and etch |
| 14:50.02 | abrotman | Guerin: and there isn't |
| 14:50.12 | Guerin | abrotman: eh? |
| 14:50.15 | jrbn | if i boot with the 2.6.8 all is ok |
| 14:50.15 | abrotman | selim: how are you executing it |
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| 14:50.22 | antgel | Manoj`: expand on your lazy morons comment |
| 14:50.23 | abrotman | Guerin: -plow maybe .. but as the netinst runs .. nope |
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| 14:50.30 | Guerin | jrbn: knoppix and debian versions aren't quite parallel |
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| 14:50.43 | jair_11 | Manoj`, but I think is the same than boot the netinst? or not? |
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| 14:50.47 | Manoj` | jair_11, true enough. But hardware support is mostly a kernel issue; and you can always get the latest kernels if needed on any debian install, I think |
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| 14:50.51 | jrbn | I don't use knoppix |
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| 14:51.02 | jrbn | only debian... |
| 14:51.08 | ircops | Manoj`: wrong... make-kpkg works like a charm |
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| 14:51.16 | Guerin | ircops: haha |
| 14:51.22 | Guerin | oh, the irony |
| 14:51.30 | hatake_kakashi | jrbn, knoppix is pretty much a modded debian to be put onto cd |
| 14:51.33 | hatake_kakashi | or dvd.. |
| 14:51.36 | Manoj` | well, knoppix goes further than netinst (looking at the graphics and sound subsystems, for example) |
| 14:51.39 | streuner_ | !maint kernel-package |
| 14:51.42 | dpkg | kernel-package: Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> |
| 14:51.51 | Manoj` | ircops, make-kpkg? what's that? |
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| 14:51.53 | abrotman | what does that guy know .. jeez :) |
| 14:52.00 | jrbn | hatake_kakashi> ?? |
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| 14:52.55 | abrotman | selim: ?? |
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| 14:52.57 | Nurbs | !maint initrd-tools |
| 14:53.00 | dpkg | initrd-tools: Debian kernel team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org> |
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| 14:53.02 | jrbn | I don't know wich package is broken or what else... |
| 14:53.05 | Nurbs | damn, anonymous cowards ;> |
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| 14:53.17 | Manoj` | antgel, well, if I let someone elses behaviour dictate mine own, I amthen at that persons beck and call -- they can play me like a musical instrument. |
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| 14:53.23 | Guerin | jrbn: if you're worried about it, just try the debian installer |
| 14:53.28 | hatake_kakashi | jrbn, oops looks like that thing was aimed at wrong person.. actually.. its misread, my apologies |
| 14:53.41 | liable | Nurbs: hit the mailing list and see how cowardly they are.. |
| 14:53.43 | jethro | 888/me stabs RHEL3 too |
| 14:53.47 | jrbn | i *cannot* format |
| 14:53.58 | Guerin | jrbn: no, but you CAN boot the thing. |
| 14:53.59 | ircops | Manoj`: it takes a kernel source tree, compiles it, and makes it into a deb, then installs it into the correct directories and your bootloader config |
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| 14:54.07 | azeem | ircops: please |
| 14:54.11 | Manoj` | Nurbs, well, this is the new fad -- maintainence by a team |
| 14:54.11 | azeem | ircops: don't make it worse |
| 14:54.13 | liable | jethro: your 8 key seems to be sticking :P |
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| 14:54.18 | ircops | azeem: ? |
| 14:54.19 | Guerin | !moron ircops |
| 14:54.20 | dpkg | ircops: You are moron #78 |
| 14:54.21 | jrbn | but I'm able to use my actual system... |
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| 14:54.33 | azeem | ircops: manoj maintains it, he knows |
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| 14:54.37 | jrbn | when it ask me a passphrase |
| 14:54.39 | ircops | ooooohhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:54.41 | Manoj` | ircops, thanks, that's good to know |
| 14:54.43 | ircops | nice |
| 14:54.48 | abrotman | ircops: you caught up! .. yay |
| 14:54.51 | jrbn | I press enter and the system continue to boot |
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| 14:55.07 | jrbn | but my swap encrypted partition is not initialized |
| 14:55.10 | Guerin | jrbn: sorry, can we start again from the beginning |
| 14:55.13 | Guerin | oh |
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| 14:55.26 | antgel | Manoj`: you are a sorted individual, it seems. i understand what you are saying, but if we do not react to our surroundings at all, we might as well live in a bubble |
| 14:55.27 | Guerin | encrypted filesystems ... I'm not touching that, sorry. |
| 14:55.41 | jrbn | Guerin> no problems... |
| 14:55.41 | ircops | bubble boy |
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| 14:55.46 | antgel | Manoj`: anyway, let me tell you about make-kpkg... |
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| 14:55.49 | antgel | ;9 |
| 14:55.55 | jrbn | the problem is not the swap itself... |
| 14:56.03 | ircops | Manoj`: you have some stuff to learn about kernels and debian |
| 14:56.10 | ircops | heh |
| 14:56.14 | Guerin | hey, get Overfiend's attention and you can give him a lecture about X for a while, too... |
| 14:56.16 | abrotman | ircops: do you know who Manoj` is ? |
| 14:56.18 | Manoj` | antgel, one responds to ones surroundings -- but I decide how I respond, not the other person. purely reactionaty responses give the power of decision to ones respondent |
| 14:56.24 | pabloso_scorphus | hello. Got a printer to install, should I use CUPS? (or what?) |
| 14:56.26 | ircops | abrotman: caught on, thanks |
| 14:56.26 | jrbn | but my incapacity to understand where begin to investigate... |
| 14:56.28 | priest | Someone who knows if there is any windows xdmcp-client? |
| 14:56.33 | abrotman | ircops: are you sure? |
| 14:56.36 | selim | abrotman: I'm executing it with php install.php |
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| 14:56.40 | Guerin | pabloso_scorphus: use linuxprinting.org's suggestion |
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| 14:56.49 | ircops | abrotman: I use Speed Stick |
| 14:56.49 | selim | abrotman: or just with ./install.php |
| 14:56.50 | Guerin | priest: cygwin? |
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| 14:56.56 | abrotman | selim: uhm .. chmod u+x scriptname .. then ./install.php |
| 14:57.00 | antgel | Manoj`: remind me never to get into an argument with you, then |
| 14:57.11 | jrbn | is the kernel that ask for a passphrase or just a script like mount_all or others? |
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| 14:57.26 | Nurbs | jrbn: just a script |
| 14:57.32 | pabloso_scorphus | thanks, Guerin |
| 14:57.33 | priest | Guerin:: Isn't that for "installing" a linux inside a windows? |
| 14:57.39 | Manoj` | jrbn, well, there are bunches of howtos in the dmsetup /usr/share/doc README, but beyond that, I have only tried encrypted partitions on a couple of machines |
| 14:57.42 | pureone | no |
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| 14:58.07 | antgel | !tell priest about cygwin |
| 14:58.09 | selim | abrotman: it's executable, but when I execute it I get the code printed instead |
| 14:58.10 | ircops | abrotman: if I'm not mistaken, Manoj Srivastava, right? |
| 14:58.12 | Guerin | priest: no... it's some unix tools ported to and built for windows. It contains an X server and so on, which probably does xdmcp. |
| 14:58.13 | jrbn | i guess that's a udev problem because: |
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| 14:58.24 | Manoj` | ircops, I know I have a lot to learn about kernels, and yeah, probably even kernels and debian |
| 14:58.27 | abrotman | selim: ls -l /usr/bin/php4 |
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| 14:58.34 | jrbn | with 2.6.8 no pass were asked me... |
| 14:58.36 | abrotman | ircops: hey .. let's not give out his address too! |
| 14:58.40 | ircops | Manoj`: well, jump on it, then ;) |
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| 14:58.48 | jrbn | only with the kernel 2.6.12 |
| 14:59.07 | selim | abrotman: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3103704 2005-05-09 10:56 /usr/bin/php4 |
| 14:59.18 | priest | Guerin:: Okej, but i just wanted an "viewer" like vnc, but it connects to a xdmcp. |
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| 14:59.22 | abrotman | selim: i took just the first part .. the comment section .. and pasted it in a box i have here with php4-cli .. it works fine |
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| 14:59.37 | abrotman | selim: and ls -l ./install.php ? |
| 14:59.40 | Guerin | priest: i have no idea about vnc |
| 14:59.57 | Manoj` | jrbn, I don't think the kernel interacts with people, no |
| 15:00.08 | jrbn | Manoj`> me too |
| 15:00.16 | abrotman | Manoj`: but he makes chicken! |
| 15:00.23 | ircops | Manoj`: wrong again... it talks to me sometimes... tells me to kill people... |
| 15:00.23 | Guerin | ... |
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| 15:00.50 | jrbn | ok guys, thanks for the attention, i'll continue to investigate on it... |
| 15:00.51 | darkness1 | Say does apply the no-stack patch involve kernel recompilation? |
| 15:00.56 | jrbn | see you! |
| 15:00.59 | ircops | you have to use "make-kpkg --schizo" |
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| 15:01.09 | Guerin | darkness1: rather. |
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| 15:01.56 | bonez41 | I ran apt-get upgrade just now, and noted this error at the end, after everything set up: Errors were encountered while processing: *** libapache-mod-perl *** apache-perl *** E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) *** |
| 15:02.09 | Guerin | bonez41: that's not really an error |
| 15:02.23 | antgel | Manoj`: is there a good reason why if i make-kpkg --append-to-version, and then later decide to rebuild with a new config and new version, that i have to do make-kpkg clean first? seems an awful waste of the things that have been built, and not how a make system should work |
| 15:02.23 | Guerin | bonez41: try apt-get -f install; |
| 15:02.29 | bonez41 | Guerin, oh, finally, someone who can help.... |
| 15:02.37 | Guerin | bonez41: not guaranteeing that |
| 15:02.48 | petemc | i think he was being sarcastic |
| 15:02.49 | bonez41 | Guerin, well, that's more than anyone else has suggested |
| 15:02.54 | Evil_Devil | hi |
| 15:02.54 | Evil_Devil | if i add this to fstab "/dev/sda7 /media/win ntfs ro,user,uid=1000,gid=user 0 0" will i be able to read the partition under user in read-only? |
| 15:02.54 | petemc | oh, im wrong |
| 15:02.59 | petemc | too cynical |
| 15:03.07 | bonez41 | petemc, I am grateful..... |
| 15:03.08 | selim | abrotman: -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 10058 2005-09-16 16:32 install.php |
| 15:03.13 | Guerin | Evil_Devil: why 1000? |
| 15:03.13 | petemc | bonez41: yeah, sorry :) |
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| 15:03.38 | abrotman | selim: and you are trying to run it as root right ? |
| 15:03.47 | bris | a+ |
| 15:04.00 | abrotman | bris: no |
| 15:04.18 | antgel | why do people change their nick according to their daily routine? |
| 15:04.19 | darkness1 | I run atm sshd with only three friends that can access the box.I've set remote root to no.Is it worth looking at securing ssh fo me.If so any good tuts around to help? |
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| 15:04.31 | abrotman | antgel: we can't all be on irc all day like you :) |
| 15:04.38 | bonez41 | Guerin, well, it just generated more errors...noting dependency problems...... with dpkg: error processing libapache-mod-perl (--configure): and dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apache-perl: |
| 15:04.41 | Guerin | darkness1: aptitude install harden-doc |
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| 15:04.53 | Guerin | bonez41: paste the whole output to paster |
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| 15:04.54 | darkness1 | Cheers Guerin. |
| 15:04.55 | antgel | abrotman: need i refer you to debstats? |
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| 15:05.06 | abrotman | antgel: i think they are broken .. i've barely been here all week |
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| 15:05.13 | Guerin | darkness1: then read it - it really is a document. |
| 15:05.15 | Whitman | How can I force kill a <defunct> process? |
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| 15:05.24 | Guerin | !zombie |
| 15:05.25 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 15:05.39 | Guerin | Whitman: give it what it wants, which is usually disk i/o |
| 15:05.42 | liable | damn |
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| 15:05.52 | liable | by the time i thought of that... |
| 15:05.57 | Evil_Devil | why isnt it the user id for my user account? |
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| 15:06.07 | selim | abrotman: yes I'm running it as root |
| 15:06.20 | Guerin | Evil_Devil: oh, right you are. I saw umask. /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:06.25 | abrotman | selim: try to just take the comment portion .. and put it in a new file .. |
| 15:06.32 | Guerin | Evil_Devil: you need a umask, i think |
| 15:06.34 | abrotman | selim: and try that |
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| 15:07.25 | Evil_Devil | what exactly is the UMASK? |
| 15:07.28 | abrotman | !umask |
| 15:07.28 | dpkg | i heard umask is 'man 2 umask', or there is no manpage for umask |
| 15:07.46 | liable | Evil_Devil: man mount |
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| 15:08.31 | selim | abrotman: the comment portion?! |
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| 15:08.44 | bonez41 | Guerin, Here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/365553 |
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| 15:08.55 | FarrisG | Can anyone help me figure out why my machiens are syncing their times properly with ntp? I get no errors, and the peers look fine, but I'm still about 30 seconds off after setting the time from the ntp server, which is a local machine of mine |
| 15:08.58 | abrotman | selim: the top part "echo "\n ############################################# ";" etc |
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| 15:10.49 | selim | abrotman: thanks I tried that, it's working |
| 15:11.00 | abrotman | selim: so what's wrong with the rest? :) |
| 15:11.06 | selim | abrotman: there has to be an error in this scritp |
| 15:11.13 | selim | abrotman: don't know |
| 15:11.22 | selim | abrotman: but php is working |
| 15:11.24 | abrotman | selim: well .. at least you know you're not crazy ... |
| 15:11.25 | abrotman | well .. |
| 15:11.36 | selim | abrotman: yes, correct thank you |
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| 15:11.44 | abrotman | selim: sorry it took so long :) |
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| 15:12.09 | Evil_Devil | do i have always to set umask if i have the partition mounted RO |
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| 15:12.11 | selim | abrotman: I thougt I did something wrong while the installation, it's my first debian machine |
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| 15:12.45 | abrotman | selim: ah ok .. nah .. seems kosher .. but your PHP is busted .. which sucks .. is there a closing ?> ? |
| 15:12.52 | pack | what happens to old people.debian.org websites? specificaly looking for Ossama page on poweredge3600s? |
| 15:13.27 | abrotman | pack: it got killed a while ago .. not everyone put them back |
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| 15:14.52 | Evil_Devil | i cant understand the umask can someone help me? |
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| 15:15.12 | abrotman | what about it dont you understand ? |
| 15:15.29 | zone17 | Hi, I remember one time using some tool og some web service to check a domain and get information back about how many virtal hosts was running on the same as the domain, does anyone here know what tool/service can do that? |
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| 15:15.38 | bonez41 | Guerin, did you leave? |
| 15:16.21 | liable | bonez41: believe so.. |
| 15:16.24 | Evil_Devil | if i have RO (readonly) partiion do i have again to use umask |
| 15:16.33 | elirips | hello. i am trying to figure out in which package the ldap-header files are, but i don't succeed.. anyone knows by chance? |
| 15:16.58 | pack | abrotman: bummer. thanks. i'll check the waybackmachine. |
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| 15:17.20 | stew | elirips: apt-file search ldap.h |
| 15:17.26 | bonez41 | sigh....just when I was getting some help..... |
| 15:18.00 | bonez41 | liable, could you take a look at it? my apt-get is not getting a couple packages installed..it's at http://pastebin.com/365553 |
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| 15:18.25 | Evil_Devil | how can i read a ntfs partition in readonly mode under ordinary user? |
| 15:18.25 | Evil_Devil | i cant succeed please help me |
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| 15:19.25 | stew | bonez41: have you tried dpkg -a --configure ? |
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| 15:19.28 | elirips | stew: thanks. |
| 15:19.31 | liable | bonez41: sarge eh? unusual, but check bts. |
| 15:19.35 | saloxin | Evil_Devil: man fstatb |
| 15:19.37 | bonez41 | stew, no, but I will.... |
| 15:19.44 | saloxin | Evil_Devil: man fstab - check the option user |
| 15:19.47 | bonez41 | liable, already checked there..... |
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| 15:20.30 | thingfish | Evil_Devil: try this: /dev/sda7 /media/win ntfs ro,user,umask=022 0 0 |
| 15:20.51 | bonez41 | stew, dpkg -a --configure shows up some dependency problems... |
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| 15:21.11 | pakal | Hi, I installed mysql-server but now I get : |
| 15:21.12 | pakal | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 15:21.42 | antgel | pakal: that's great. what release you runnning? |
| 15:21.53 | stew | pakal: does that socket exist? are you sure mysql is started? |
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| 15:22.10 | stew | bonez41: put the dependency problems on pastebin |
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| 15:22.52 | bonez41 | stew, http://pastebin.com/365568 |
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| 15:23.30 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 15:23.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd84 is <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
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| 15:23.43 | stew | bonez41: wierd that it didnt' just try to configure libapache-mod-perl. what happens when you dpkg-reconfigure libapache-mod-perl? |
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| 15:23.54 | stew | bonez41: or apt-get install libapache-mod-perl |
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| 15:24.34 | MizLinux | Hey all does anyone know if it is possible to apt-get libapache-mod-php4 (Unstable) on Debian Sarge OS? |
| 15:24.43 | bonez41 | stew, libapache-mod-perl is already the newest version. that's from apt-get install... |
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| 15:25.24 | bonez41 | stew, the result from the reconfigure is fyrenice:/home/scott# dpkg-reconfigure libapache-mod-perl |
| 15:25.24 | bonez41 | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libapache-mod-perl is broken or not fully installed |
| 15:25.25 | antgel | MizLinux: why?q |
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| 15:25.49 | MizLinux | antgel: Just curious :) |
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| 15:26.32 | stew | bonez41: hrm, wierd. next thing i would try is to --purge the package and reinstall it |
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| 15:26.51 | stew | bonez41: dpkg --force-depends -P libapache-mod-perl ; apt-get install libapache-mod-perl |
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| 15:27.00 | horsens | where can i see which modules there will be loaded on startup ? |
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| 15:27.08 | Smirker | how to get a list of cd rom drives in terminal? |
| 15:27.26 | stew | horsens: /etc/modules ; but that doesn't include the ones that are loaded by hotplug/discover |
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| 15:27.41 | antgel | Smirker: dmesg |
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| 15:27.56 | bonez41 | stew, so the purge option first or just go to the force-depends..... |
| 15:28.05 | horsens | stew: no directory like that on my box |
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| 15:28.18 | bonez41 | stew, I have tried purging the package and get the same errors...as in the pastebin |
| 15:28.21 | stew | horsens: what version of debian are you running |
| 15:28.26 | HappyHobo | Howdy folks |
| 15:28.35 | stew | horsens: its not a directory but a file |
| 15:28.44 | stew | bonez41: i'm running out of ideas |
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| 15:29.09 | horsens | ok, i'll try to ask it another way, where can i add and delete modules from load |
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| 15:29.15 | koen_ | ellow |
| 15:29.26 | host` | hmm.. when I try to 'make' ndiswrapper this is what I get http://pastebin.com/365552 |
| 15:29.29 | HappyHobo | well I'm currently running testing but I hate gnome 2.10, 2.8 is in stable, I was wondering is there a way to go even further back in the repositories and grab 2.6? |
| 15:29.44 | host` | would that have anything to do with me upgrading from sarge to echt |
| 15:29.46 | antgel | horsens: man modules |
| 15:30.06 | HappyHobo | I know it's odd but I hate gnome 2.10 and higher, they're clunky |
| 15:30.09 | stew | horsens: /etc/modules ; and /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:30.16 | bonez41 | stew, ok, I appreciate your help to this point... |
| 15:30.19 | antgel | HappyHobo: hating gnome is not odd |
| 15:30.34 | HappyHobo | just the newer ones antgel |
| 15:30.41 | HappyHobo | I'm trying to find an easy way to go back to 2.6 |
| 15:30.42 | horsens | thanks... sorry |
| 15:30.50 | markd___ | anyone ever tried connecting multiple usb hdds of the same type on a single system, the kernel soomes to haphazardly detecting some/none of the drives |
| 15:31.15 | antgel | !tell markd___ about vague |
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| 15:31.29 | HappyHobo | so antgel I can switch my sources.list to use stable and get 2.8 back but I was wondering is there something I can switch to on my list and go back older to 2.6 or hell 2.4 even |
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| 15:31.37 | antgel | HappyHobo: nah, now's the time to move to wmaker *grin* |
| 15:31.48 | bonez41 | stew, but running the same routine on just apache-perl seems to be be working, helping... |
| 15:31.56 | bonez41 | stew, maybe this is going to work afterall |
| 15:32.01 | HappyHobo | Afterstep2 antgel is my preference but this monitor is damaged and all my themes are so dark |
| 15:32.08 | tarzeau | what's wrong when my 2.6.13 linux kernel hangs at PCI: Bridge: 0000:00:0e.0 ? |
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| 15:32.19 | antgel | HappyHobo: you could see what version is in woody, butyou're going to be in for a world of pain |
| 15:32.28 | stew | woody has 1.4 |
| 15:32.36 | HappyHobo | that'll work stew |
| 15:32.37 | antgel | heh |
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| 15:32.48 | HappyHobo | okay so how do I change my list to woody? |
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| 15:32.58 | antgel | HappyHobo: i'm not going there |
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| 15:33.03 | markd___ | ok well I have 4 usb drives which work well when connected seperately but when I conenct all 4 of them the kernel does not detect all of them or even sometimes none of them |
| 15:33.19 | antgel | markd___: ##linux |
| 15:33.26 | HappyHobo | stew: any idea? |
| 15:33.43 | HappyHobo | sarge is stable, etch is unstable and sid is testing, what the heck is woody |
| 15:33.56 | stew | HappyHobo: oldstable |
| 15:33.56 | antgel | !tell HappyHobo about woody |
| 15:34.16 | stew | HappyHobo: i don't know how much sucess you are going to have trying to install woody packages though |
| 15:34.17 | bonez41 | stew, here's the output from the routine run on apache-perl http://pastebin.com/365579 |
| 15:34.23 | HappyHobo | thanks antgel |
| 15:34.24 | bonez41 | stew, thanks for the help..... |
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| 15:35.24 | HappyHobo | 1.4 is a bit too far back anyways antgel |
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| 15:36.05 | HappyHobo | still there has to be some way to identify woody in the sources.list if I do feel this insane antgel |
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| 15:36.46 | liable | HappyHobo: try woody instaed of stable |
| 15:37.24 | TNKS | On a halt/reboot, is this a common message? "Unmounting local filesystems...umount: tmpfs busy - remounted read-only" Or should I change a line in my fstab? Also, is /etc/mtab written to by the system? Or by the admin? |
| 15:37.49 | thingfish | I think that's normal TNKS. |
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| 15:37.53 | HappyHobo | roflmao it worked |
| 15:37.58 | liable | TNKS: yes its normal |
| 15:38.01 | rbb36 | !tell rbb36 about woody |
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| 15:38.57 | estel | hi |
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| 15:39.16 | estel | ooo starts only with the same language, no matter what locales i have; e.g. i can start it using "LC_ALL=en_US ooffice", but it still starts in German |
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| 15:39.18 | jhosz | any one from the philippines? |
| 15:39.22 | HappyHobo | thanks |
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| 15:40.03 | hatake_kakashi | anyone getting latest sarge DVD off torrent? :) |
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| 15:40.13 | hatake_kakashi | for i386 that is |
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| 15:40.50 | TNKS | liable, thingfish, thanks. I'm still a little confused about mtab. Are changes to that file overwritten? |
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| 15:42.05 | jhosz | can any one teach me how to install yahoo |
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| 15:42.22 | hatake_kakashi | yahoo messenger? |
| 15:42.28 | jhosz | yup |
| 15:42.40 | hatake_kakashi | jhosz, try gaim |
| 15:43.11 | TNKS | for that matter. . . what's the difference between /proc/mounts and /etc/mtab? |
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| 15:43.56 | Evil_Devil | thanks for the help with FSTAB i think i understant umask i little bit better now thanks |
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| 15:44.45 | jhumo | hi |
| 15:44.47 | djp | can anyone confirm that if you use the sudo command in terminal, it will write that command to the /root/.bash_history file, just as if the command had been issued from the root terminal? |
| 15:44.47 | rudenstam | how do I write a new MBR ? possible to do when booting from netinstall cd ? |
| 15:44.54 | thingfish | Glad it helped you, Evil_Devil. |
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| 15:45.10 | jhumo | my CDROM is not getting detected while installation ....... |
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| 15:45.48 | jhumo | "erro: modprobe -v ide-detect " its displaying this |
| 15:46.05 | hatake_kakashi | jhumo, going to basics.. did you check the md5, did you make sure that the BIOS will boot the cd? |
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| 15:46.25 | jhumo | yes it does |
| 15:46.43 | jhumo | hatake_kakashi: yes it does |
| 15:46.46 | yang26 | I upgraded kernel, but now I get an error, when I startx - cannot open device mouse -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/724 |
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| 15:47.45 | hatake_kakashi | jhumo, do you happen to have two optical drives? if so, try in the other one |
| 15:48.16 | TNKS | okay. it looks like the man page for 'mount' has information about /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts. One last question. I used to have to put "proc", "sysfs", and "tmpfs" entries in my fstab, but now I don't seem to have to. The mounts are set up automatically. Is this right? |
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| 15:49.59 | me2you | help, i get an erro rin my log: kernel: TCP: drop open request from 213.193.176.88/13067 -> how is it possible to prevent this?? |
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| 15:50.36 | liable | !klogd |
| 15:50.37 | dpkg | i guess klogd is the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. people still use klogd? in sarge, dpkg --purge klogd sysklogd; apt-get install syslog-ng |
| 15:50.41 | hatake_kakashi | me2you, your firewall configuration.. iptables |
| 15:50.49 | kapil | TNKS: read /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs |
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| 15:53.43 | jarjar26 | where can find obsolete packages : kernel-source-2.6.11_2.6.11-7_all.deb |
| 15:53.59 | FlopsyPete | what print command do I have to use to print to a remote CUPS printer from Inkscape? I read I should use that specified in oopadmin but oopadmin says nothing about the command it will use |
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| 15:54.11 | TNKS | kapil, thanks. |
| 15:54.13 | darkness1 | Say i keep hearing people say that BSD is the best os.Is the likes of fbsd/obsd that much different than say debian? |
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| 15:55.03 | mwelsh | darkness1: i guess that depends on your definiton of "best" |
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| 15:55.09 | ricky_clarkson | darkness1: More BSD stuff is free, depending on your definition of free. |
| 15:55.28 | darkness1 | Well i mean better audited and stable. |
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| 15:56.24 | darkness1 | I mean even back in 99 there was the openbsd auditing and linux auditing project. |
| 15:56.42 | darkness1 | So, what sets bsd apart from say debian? |
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| 15:57.19 | jarjar26 | where can find obsolete packages : kernel-source-2.6.11_2.6.11-7_all.deb |
| 15:57.47 | uservhy56 | bsds memory management is different |
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| 15:58.15 | liable | snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:58.21 | r9704 | Does anyone recognize the term '-iquote' from make files. |
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| 15:58.56 | r9704 | I found it in the Debian notes for ipw2200, as well as the Makefile. |
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| 15:59.24 | r9704 | It appears nowhere else and is unknown top the compiler.... |
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| 15:59.39 | thingfish | jarjar26: this is close: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.11/ |
| 16:00.17 | liable | !find kernel-source-2.6.11-7 |
| 16:00.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-source-2.6.11-7' returned no results. |
| 16:00.39 | kapil | jarjar26: look in snapshot.debian.org |
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| 16:01.07 | kapil | s/org/net/ |
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| 16:02.26 | FarrisG | Other than just setting it up and waiting a few weeks to see if the time drifts, how do I tell if my machines are syncing to my local ntp server properly? |
| 16:02.37 | jbroome | look in the logs |
| 16:02.52 | jbroome | !logs |
| 16:02.52 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 16:03.02 | Manoj` | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.05 | finkster | Hi there people. Uhm is it allright to use the kernel-patch-openmosix to patch a kernel?(if I'm going to build an Cluster..) OR should I use the non-distro patch? |
| 16:03.08 | liable | !log |
| 16:03.08 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 16:04.01 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 16:04.02 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
| 16:04.04 | FarrisG | LEt me rephrase: How do I tell from the logs whether it's syncing or not? |
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| 16:04.30 | liable | heh, it always seems to be Guerin :) |
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| 16:04.46 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 16:04.46 | dpkg | somebody said qotd93 was <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
| 16:04.50 | ricky_clarkson | Woo. |
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| 16:06.48 | Manoj` | FarrisG, well, offhand, I can't find docs for the peerstats log file |
| 16:06.59 | Manoj` | FarrisG, perhaps the mighty google knows? |
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| 16:07.17 | ricky_clarkson | Google? I find better search engines under my bed. |
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| 16:08.09 | Manoj` | FarrisG, Peerstats: The first two fields show the date (Modified Julian Day) and time (seconds and fraction past UTC midnight). The next two fields show the peer address in dotted-quad notation and status, respectively. The status field is encoded in hex in the format described in Appendix B of the NTP specification RFC 1305. The final four fields show the offset, delay, dispersion and RMS jitter, all in seconds. |
| 16:08.40 | Manoj` | FarrisG, so, all you need to do is read RFC 1305 :) |
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| 16:09.58 | Furio_G | hey everyone, I'm about to install debian(want to make it my main distro), but I want to install xfce. Can i just install XFree86 then apt-get install xfce? (I was told it might be out of date but not sure how to check) |
| 16:10.17 | Manoj` | Furio_G, that ought to work, yes |
| 16:10.26 | Furio_G | cool thanks mate |
| 16:10.34 | Manoj` | Furio_G, the tricky part would be configuring the X server |
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| 16:10.40 | antgel | Manoj`: can't believe you told him to rtfm ;9 |
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| 16:11.10 | Manoj` | antgel, well, people can learn, when politely pointed to the appropriate manual :) |
| 16:11.30 | Skaja | i went to my modem faq pageIf you are using the Debian distribution, go to the /etc/rcS.d directory. Edit the file called S30setserial and add the two setserial lines.but i cant find the file called s30setserial under /etc/rcS.d |
| 16:11.34 | liable | Manoj`: please spend a little more time here.. |
| 16:11.38 | Skaja | i dont know what to do |
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| 16:11.53 | Manoj` | Skaja, that file is just a link |
| 16:11.58 | liable | Manoj`: not meaning to be rude, but really, please do. |
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| 16:12.16 | Skaja | i need to add to it |
| 16:12.29 | kapil | FarrisG: You could also use ntpq -c peers which will show you the machines that your ntp is syncing with. |
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| 16:12.40 | Manoj` | Skaja, the real file is /etc//init.d/etc-setserial |
| 16:13.14 | Manoj` | ntpq: option requires argument -c |
| 16:13.22 | Landslide | my display res is only 800x600, how do I reconfigure it? |
| 16:13.33 | Landslide | there isn't an option... |
| 16:13.37 | antgel | !tell Landslide about drxx |
| 16:13.48 | Manoj` | liable, why would a request to spend more tim in here be considered rude? am I missing something? |
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| 16:14.07 | liable | no |
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| 16:14.14 | hackeron | hey, could you please recommend some dedicated debian server providers? |
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| 16:14.26 | Manoj` | liable, I used to live in this channel, a few years ago, as well as follogin -user |
| 16:14.27 | kapil | Manoj`: The "peers" bit was part of the command "ntpq -c peers" |
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| 16:14.39 | Manoj` | kapil, thanks |
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| 16:15.06 | Manoj` | kapil, I had forgotten about ntpq. Thanks for pointing it out. |
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| 16:15.37 | antgel | liable: if he spends more time in here, he'll only become tainted and bitter *grin* |
| 16:15.50 | liable | Manoj`: ok. so keep at it.. |
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| 16:15.58 | djp | can you use the sudo command under debian 3.1? |
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| 16:16.22 | antgel | djp: what sort of a question is that? |
| 16:17.00 | jbroome | a bad one? |
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| 16:17.10 | Furio_G | One more thing. :D I'm pretty new to Linux but wanted to try something different than Suse/Mandrake. Is Debian a good distro to use as a dekstop/workstation or should I use Ubuntu instead? |
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| 16:17.20 | liable | correct! |
| 16:17.33 | Manoj` | antgel, I've been dealing with users off and on for 10 years. I'm already as bitter as I am gonna get ... |
| 16:17.37 | mikeX | Furio_G, you could try out both and see what fits you better :P |
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| 16:18.11 | Furio_G | ye i tried both, being a noob i dont know the different apart from the look. Im jsut hoping there wont be a pitfall in months to come |
| 16:18.22 | mikeX | Furio_G, ubuntu should be closer to suse/mandrake, so if you are trying to keep clear from big fat bloated distros, try debian |
| 16:18.22 | Manoj` | Furio_G, well, this is pretty subjective -- but ubuntu uses about 99% of their package unmodified from debian, so differences are rarely significant |
| 16:18.34 | Wanderer_ | Anyone heard anything about a "samba-ng" ? |
| 16:18.41 | Furio_G | ok sweet, ill use debian then(sound cooler :P ) |
| 16:18.44 | Wanderer_ | not finding a debian package or the like, wondering if it's gonna be real |
| 16:18.47 | liable | Manoj`: fair enough, stay here for three more months, and then tell us not to swear at people for asking silly questions. |
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| 16:19.12 | Manoj` | Furio_G, I have heard rumours that the the ubuntu community is friendlier, them having a code of conduct and all |
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| 16:19.28 | mikeX | Furio_G, a pitfall that comes to mind is having to dive deeper into your system, if you can call that a pitfall |
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| 16:19.46 | streuner__ | Manoj`: on the phone? |
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| 16:20.03 | Manoj` | liable, as I said, I have been on this channel off and on foryears. I spend as much time here as I can spare -- which means I'll never be here full time, unfortunately. |
| 16:20.12 | Manoj` | liable, one helps when one can. |
| 16:20.14 | kapil | mikeX: alice fell into such a "pitfall". istr she came out of it a better person. |
| 16:20.29 | Manoj` | streuner, pardon me? |
| 16:20.32 | mikeX | kapil, my point exactly |
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| 16:20.42 | dvs | What happened to the etch security site? |
| 16:20.45 | liable | Manoj`: thats what we are all here for.. we dont join the channel to abuse people. :) |
| 16:21.28 | Manoj` | liable, I know that. Unfortunately, things do tend to get away from one, and hte percepti0ons of the channel have been earning, well, less than stellar reviews. |
| 16:21.29 | kapil | more like to disabuse them :) ... or is it to diss and then abuse them? |
| 16:21.50 | xxxpixie | hi. i'm using sarge. i installed udev from testing, and now i want to install alsa-utils, which depends on pciutils, but pciutils (for some mysterious reason) can't live with udev. how do i install alsa-utils without installing pciutils ? |
| 16:21.51 | djp | apologies antgel and everyone else. i realise it was one hell of a stupid question... |
| 16:22.05 | Manoj` | kapil, even ntpq does not decipher the status numbers, so I guess one still needs to read the RFC :) |
| 16:22.14 | hackeron | no one? - I'm quite overwhelmed with the choice of dedicated servers out there, any recommendations? |
| 16:22.31 | Furio_G | mikeX: It's actually one of the reason why I wanted to use a harder distro. I wasn't learning much in SUSE |
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| 16:22.36 | antgel | xxxpixie: if you start mixing stuff, you're on your own. why did you need udev from testing |
| 16:22.48 | Furio_G | Manoj`: So far this community seems good ;) |
| 16:22.58 | antgel | Manoj`: we have no visibility of the complaints |
| 16:23.08 | xxxpixie | antgel: oops. no, mixed up - udev is from stable |
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| 16:23.12 | djp | i hope i don't get abused here... i was only assaulted walking my 2 yr old in his buggy this monday gone :( |
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| 16:23.26 | liable | Manoj`: yes, indeed i can see that from people coming in from other distro's and wanting to be breast fead, but really, there is a core group of helpers that are here a hell a lot of the time, that do the right thing, but of course crack the shits when people wont bother to do there homework. |
| 16:23.42 | CarlFK | :q |
| 16:23.55 | liable | CarlFK: wrong window :P |
| 16:24.06 | antgel | Furio_G: thank you. as i have already said to Manoj` people whinge when they don't like things, and don't say anything when something is good |
| 16:24.11 | kapil | xxxpixie: udev from stable works fine with pciutils from stable |
| 16:24.18 | CarlFK | liable - I was wondering what happene.... |
| 16:24.36 | Manoj` | antgel, well, i can try and see if I can get some of the urls posted to the complaint channel for debian (there was a linux distro review article, for example, that contrasted support mechanisms) |
| 16:24.50 | antgel | Manoj`: i trust that Furio_G's contentment will be brought to the attention of the DDs |
| 16:24.52 | xxxpixie | kapil: it's alsa-utils that i want from testing |
| 16:25.08 | CarlFK | I am trying to run pastebot on boot. guessing I need to do something in /etc/rcS.d. guessing it should run in screen, and not as root. how do I make this happen? |
| 16:25.46 | Manoj` | liable, the core group of helpers can ignore the whiners, and let a second tier develop who helps them. yelling at the poor buggers is what turns people off, I think. |
| 16:25.48 | kapil | xxxpixie: why for? as they say in the northern parts? |
| 16:25.49 | hatake_kakashi | <liable> Manoj`: yes, indeed i can see that from people coming in from other distro's and wanting to be breast fead, but really, there is a core group of helpers that are here a hell a lot of the time, that do the right thing, but of course crack the shits when people wont bother to do there homework. <---- I love that statement, then again, there is a point of where I can really learn by itself after a few steps.. and then there ar |
| 16:25.49 | hatake_kakashi | e those who were led by others thinking that they can get a 'ride' :) |
| 16:25.50 | xxxpixie | kapil: and i don't care if something from alsa-utils won't work without pciutils, all i need is alsamixer and alsactl, and they do |
| 16:26.07 | antgel | Manoj`: would be good. it is very hard for #debian to answer the complaints, and to imrove, if they aren't visible. what is the complaint channel? do i have visibility of that? |
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| 16:26.24 | Manoj` | antgel, I think people complained to the DPL |
| 16:26.34 | xxxpixie | so is it possible to install a package without installing one of its deps ? |
| 16:26.58 | Manoj` | xxxpixie, not recommended, but you can look at dpkg --force-* options |
| 16:27.24 | kapil | xxxpixie: It depends :) Sorry. I don't think that its a good idea. |
| 16:27.30 | Manoj` | xxxpixie, for the most part, forcing a package to be installed without its dependencies means it may not work at all, or appear to work but screw up spectacularily at times |
| 16:27.37 | mikeX | xxxpixie, iirc you can fool dpkg into believing a dependency is installed too, by modifying a certain file |
| 16:27.44 | lakcaj | Hi. I need to find a .deb for the last 2.6.11 686 kernel that was available in the repos... where would I look? |
| 16:27.58 | antgel | Manoj`: that's incredible. that's like me complaing to tony blair because my rubbish doesn't get picked up |
| 16:28.16 | liable | Manoj`: i see your point, but believe it or not, I think it is a strongpoint of debian, that most users are actually half advanced users that have migrated from another distro and are willing to try and nut things out. Maybe someone should start a #debian-newbies.. (but isnt that what ubuntu is for?) |
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| 16:28.33 | kapil | xxxpixie: does alsa-utils from stable not work for you? |
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| 16:28.53 | antgel | liable: i think similar was discuused re the d-u mailing list. not many of us would hang out there, imo |
| 16:28.54 | Manoj` | xxxpixie, BTW, the newer pciutils and alsa-utils in unstable seem to work OK with the new udev -- but a partial stable/testing mix is unlikely to work at this point, in my judgement |
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| 16:29.22 | antgel | lakcaj: packages.debian.org |
| 16:29.29 | xxxpixie | Manoj`: i'm afraid of unstable... :) i guess i |
| 16:29.40 | xxxpixie | will use stable alsa-utils |
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| 16:29.45 | lakcaj | antgel, thanks, I'll look there. |
| 16:29.51 | selim | abrotman: I think the problem in the php script was the missing php after <? so it should be <?php and not <? |
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| 16:30.00 | xxxpixie | thanks! bye! |
| 16:30.09 | Manoj` | liable, in my experience, starting with USENET back in the 80's, having a *-newbies group/channel rarely works, since most newbies can't tell the difference, or that the helpers there burn out faster, since there are even fewer interesting discussions in the newbie channel |
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| 16:30.46 | liable | Manoj`: and thats why there is mandriva/fedora/ubuntu.. |
| 16:31.04 | dvs | mandriva? |
| 16:31.11 | dvs | Is that debian based? |
| 16:31.18 | Manoj` | liable, I tend to agree that debian is not for everyone, and that mandriva et al. serve the novice users better than debian shall |
| 16:31.25 | kapil | liable: is fedora for newbies? |
| 16:31.25 | mikeX | dvs, that's mandrake's new name |
| 16:31.30 | amphi | dvs: no, rpm |
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| 16:31.46 | stew | i think the problem that we have in this channel is first that there are a few bad apples, and second, that when those bad apples attack someone, things can quickly degrade into a mob mentality where lots of otherwise level headed people start joining in |
| 16:31.53 | antgel | Manoj`: perhaps we should point this out on the web? something like, it's great but you get out what you put in? |
| 16:31.57 | |dennis| | i am having problems installing php4 and apache2........ for some reason apache2 will not recognize php files ...any help/ideas?? |
| 16:32.07 | Manoj` | liable, I would prefer that the newbies w4ere led to ubuntu/mandriva etc gently, though, so at some point they do come back to debian when they have learned enough to contribute back |
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| 16:32.29 | stew | but lately it seems like there has been a concerted effort by some people to keep the temperature cool, notably from don, which has been great, imo |
| 16:32.45 | liable | Manoj`: not meaning a newb cant use debian, but there isnt the magic config shits in debian, and we constantly get users asking how to config a network card for example, and you point them to man ifconfig and /usr/share/docs, and your an asshole, cause you dont have the magical answer.. |
| 16:32.50 | Manoj` | stew, well, maybe one can start a keep cool trend :) |
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| 16:33.12 | stew | Manoj`: yeah, i know don has been trying, and i've been trying as well |
| 16:33.14 | Manoj` | liable, I don't think pointing to the FM is rude -- but the manner so used can be |
| 16:33.23 | antgel | i think a lot of those taking offence are those suffering from an abundance of pride |
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| 16:33.47 | Manoj` | liable, there have also been complaints about rude factoids in the bots, (the *smite actions, for isntance, came up) |
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| 16:33.57 | liable | Manoj`: really, it generallly only gets rude here when it needs to.. |
| 16:34.08 | stew | liable: i don't agree at all |
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| 16:34.16 | Manoj` | liable, my contention is it ought never be needed to be rude. |
| 16:34.21 | stew | exactly |
| 16:34.24 | liable | Manoj`: sheesh, they keep half of us sane, give a giggle.. |
| 16:34.24 | nvz | stew: dont get self rightous. everyone has to do their part. including the people who need help. most of them come here without any clue at all, never read the install guide, any documentation at all.. never read the /topic or freenode channel guidelines. |
| 16:34.25 | antgel | Manoj`: they aren't rude to anyone with a sense of humour. it would be so dry without these little touches |
| 16:34.47 | antgel | !beer liable |
| 16:34.49 | liable | stew: about what? being rude? |
| 16:35.05 | Manoj` | antgel, when you are new in a community, and do not know how things hang, whaty is hilarious to the regulars can be awfully rude qand humiliating to the newcomer |
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| 16:35.40 | Manoj` | nvz, part of being a newbie maybe not knowing how to help yourself |
| 16:35.53 | hatake_kakashi | liable, hopefully the rudeness would not be turned into a destructive measure as it happened sometime ago in the linux chan where an user executed a command that should not have been mentioned.. |
| 16:35.55 | stew | nvz: i don't mean to come off as self righteous, and i agree that people not reading the /topic / guidelines etc. (esp since Chanserv tells you to read guidelines onjoin), but I still think that people attack others when it's not really necessary way too much |
| 16:36.05 | liable | Manoj`: yes, indeed, but you learn pretty damn quick. are we trying to sell debian, or what is the agenda? |
| 16:36.06 | Manoj` | nvz, no need to go postal on their ass for not knowing stuff. |
| 16:36.19 | stew | liable: i disagree that things only get rude when necessary |
| 16:36.26 | nvz | Manoj`: ever tried to direct someone to the right channel, or to documentation? they will argue with you most of the time.. they are often lazy as well |
| 16:36.33 | antgel | Manoj`: when you're new in a community you do your homework first or at least don't get all snotty when you're told how things hang |
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| 16:36.40 | antgel | nvz: *big nod* |
| 16:36.41 | Manoj` | liable, the agenda is to form a community. I don't want a community where rudeness to newcomers is accepted part and parcel of being an insider |
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| 16:36.58 | hatake_kakashi | nvz, most of the time they try and bargain, but then they get nasty, so yeah |
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| 16:37.14 | Manoj` | antgel, sure, there are communities like that. But there are communities where you are not stomped upon for not doing your homework, and I much prefer the latter |
| 16:37.25 | nvz | I don't know about you, but I didnt get my check in the mail this week.. :P |
| 16:37.29 | asuffield | people who are stubbornly in the wrong channel get punted out of it |
| 16:37.29 | kapil | liable: agenda could be to try to encourage every user to move (how so ever slowly) on the path to DD-dom. |
| 16:37.39 | Manoj` | nvz, I have. Indeed, in the last 30 mnutes, I told someone to read an rfc |
| 16:37.44 | mikeX | usually things turn nasty before the right pointers are given, and the other one argues |
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| 16:37.49 | antgel | Manoj`:if the channel is so rotten, why are there so many regulars? something must be right |
| 16:37.59 | asuffield | kapil: we so do not need that :P |
| 16:38.00 | antgel | nvz: i stole it |
| 16:38.00 | kimo | is there any guide to installing freenx & required nx GPL libs on RHEL4? |
| 16:38.09 | Manoj` | nvz, did not notice any argument, and if there had been any, I would have excused myself, and told tham I was sorry I could not help them further. |
| 16:38.19 | liable | Manoj`: look at the channel stats, its big, we get users from all the damn derivatives and even other distros coming here, because they know they will prolly get there problem solved. If thats not a good community.. |
| 16:38.21 | asuffield | kimo: good grief, what has that got to do with #debian? |
| 16:38.23 | djp | any reason why the x configuration screens will not respond to my keystrokes when i issue the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 command from a mormal terminal using the sudo prefix? it works fine under the root terminal though. can anyone explain why? |
| 16:38.34 | Manoj` | antgel, even rotten channels have regulars. |
| 16:38.34 | antgel | liable: *nodding till neck hurts* |
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| 16:38.58 | halibut | how can I run IEs rendering engine from Linux (to check webpages I am developing)? |
| 16:39.04 | kimo | asuffield, I just love u guys ;) |
| 16:39.10 | nvz | I am here cause I like nearly everyone here. and just sitting here I learn something all the time, even if its not about debian. its better than watching CNN or Dora the Explorer.. which are probably the hottest two things on TV right now would be my guess :P |
| 16:39.11 | antgel | Manoj`: indeed. in such a big community, you're always going to get various personalitie |
| 16:39.15 | kapil | asuffield: I said "on the path" as Ursula Le Guin said something about the goal being important but the journey even more so.... |
| 16:39.17 | Manoj` | antgel, people who like the status quo,. no matter how unpleasant it is for people not insiders -- indeed, most insider dominated groups behave like that. |
| 16:39.32 | asuffield | kimo: you're looking for Phated. try #debian-offtopic :P |
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| 16:40.26 | antgel | Manoj`: i came here but a few months ago, not meaning to hang about. but the knowledge was so good here i decided to stay. there's no praise for the good bits |
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| 16:40.26 | kapil | kimo: actually for debian there are nice packages that come with kanotix for NX. |
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| 16:40.49 | Manoj` | kapil, actually, that is also said in the artha veda, and then again in the Bhagavata Geets, the former predating Ursula by about 5 millenia |
| 16:40.58 | Furio_G | Going to install Debian with xfce. I'll be back, successful or not :D |
| 16:41.01 | antgel | Manoj`: i agree about downright rudeness, but things like smites, i really dunno |
| 16:41.19 | asuffield | dude, the world did not exist 5 millenia ago. they have diagrams to show it and everything |
| 16:41.20 | Manoj` | antgel, little bits add up, I suppose. |
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| 16:41.43 | Manoj` | asuffield, ah yes. I forgot the discordian beliefs |
| 16:41.45 | nvz | I dont know wtf is wrong with this fuckin TV btw I already took it apart and refreshened the solder on the AV Ports and its still very touchy |
| 16:41.47 | antgel | Manoj`: *nod* would be a shame to crack a nut with a sledgehammer |
| 16:41.58 | asuffield | Manoj`: I think you'll find that's fundamentalist jesuit or something |
| 16:42.00 | liable | sheesh, you put up with 100 people a day that dont read the topic, and tell me the topicsmites arent neccessary.. |
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| 16:42.44 | Manoj` | liable, poiting them tothe topic is useful. smiting them about is is not strictly required. |
| 16:42.58 | kapil | liable: how about there being an enforced break for those who have had to given RTFM instructions? |
| 16:43.04 | antgel | thing is the smites do make people learn. you are only going to not read the topic once. a gentle pointer doesn't always make things sink in |
| 16:43.07 | liable | Manoj`: but! it actually gets the point across. |
| 16:43.09 | nvz | I found that most fundamentallist are fundamentally wrong about fundamental matters. A large percent are also temporaroly or perminantly insane |
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| 16:43.11 | asuffield | the discordian belief would probably be that people who are worrying about stuff that happened 5 millenia ago need to be reminded that the shit still smells the same |
| 16:43.19 | Manoj` | liable, mostly the issues raised have not been about _what_ is done, it is about the _manner_ in which it was done. |
| 16:43.26 | liable | Manoj`: you get topicsmited, and you dont do it again! |
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| 16:43.44 | Manoj` | liable, does not work -- more newbies are created every second |
| 16:43.54 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 16:43.59 | asuffield | well I haven't changed the topic in weeks, nyah |
| 16:44.04 | stew | topicsmite antgel |
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| 16:44.27 | antgel | yeah but i know it's there *grin* |
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| 16:44.37 | Gigi_ | hi there |
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| 16:44.58 | Manoj` | kapil, hey, in that case, you fit right in with us socially inept people :) |
| 16:44.58 | liable | Manoj`: jeez, like I say, you hang here reguarly, and see how many of the same questions get asked, then answer them everytime, then tell me the smites arent worth it. |
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| 16:45.16 | Manoj` | liable, I am not exactly a newbie to #debian |
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| 16:45.58 | antgel | we need satisfied customer stats. no idea how, though |
| 16:46.07 | gnube | what do people think about Ian M's DCC thingy? |
| 16:46.15 | gnube | Does Debian need a corporate presence? |
| 16:46.19 | antgel | i know it's subjective, but the smites are just a bit of fun, jesus |
| 16:46.21 | liable | Manoj`: but you seem to have a problem with it, and I cant recall you answering to many questions in the last twelve months (and especially since sarge has been released) |
| 16:46.29 | Manoj` | actually, the current topicsmite is nice |
| 16:46.47 | kapil | liable: an IRC script that prevents the-one-who-knows from answering again. Give a chance to those-who-know-less. |
| 16:46.50 | antgel | !beer Manoj` |
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| 16:47.02 | nullvoid | hi room |
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| 16:47.18 | Jonk_ | hello all |
| 16:47.20 | Manoj` | liable, I answer questions when I am around -- which is not a lot; this channel has not exactly been nice and friendly place to hang out in. Too many people being smote |
| 16:47.32 | pngwn | I'd like to see the DD's get the release cycles to less than three years apart and stop telling people how to act on irc. |
| 16:47.34 | liable | kapil: you want to stop people who can help? |
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| 16:47.51 | Manoj` | I do like the topicsmite -- not rude, send in the information, and everything |
| 16:47.54 | nullvoid | Manoj`: what is your question? |
| 16:47.56 | antgel | Manoj`: it's in the eye of the beholder. i have found it friendly and interesting |
| 16:48.11 | antgel | pngwn: touche! |
| 16:48.17 | Manoj` | nullvoid, it deends on the answer |
| 16:48.28 | antgel | i think the lack of platforms will make the next release quicker |
| 16:48.31 | stew | Manoj`: 42 |
| 16:48.39 | kapil | liable: helping too often in the same way makes one jaded. Like teaching first year calculus all the time. |
| 16:48.41 | Manoj` | pngwn, if you think you can help with the release cycles, we would appreciate all the help we can get |
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| 16:49.17 | nvz | says in the channel guidelines not to subject yourself to support burnout |
| 16:49.19 | pngwn | I ,like others, help where I can. |
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| 16:49.30 | Manoj` | pngwn, unfortunately, we are suggering from growing pains, and an inability to anticipate the number and magnitude of incompatibilities and related crises that seem to spring up now |
| 16:49.33 | liable | kapil: so step up to the plate! by all means help as much as you can. |
| 16:49.51 | marix | i have a problem, whlie im extracting .rar-files. i can see the icon on the desktop, but when the extracting is done, the icon is gone....anyone who can tell me, what i am doing wrong? |
| 16:50.00 | kapil | pngwn: occasionally you should try to help where you think you cannot. You may surprise yourself. |
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| 16:50.16 | elirips | hello. i do a 'echo 4 > /proc/acpi/processor/CPU/throttling'. if i do a 'cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU/throttling' i see that T4 is active state. but if i check again a few minutes later, it has changed back to T0 - any ideas why that is the case? |
| 16:50.17 | pngwn | Manoj`, didn't say you weren't trying ;) |
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| 16:50.25 | djp | which is the preferred way of issuing superuser commands? from a root terminal or using sudo? i gather typing gksu in a terminal window is the same as using the root terminal |
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| 16:50.31 | tweek888 | hello |
| 16:50.35 | antgel | Manoj`: when you say growing pains, you mean in the number of users? |
| 16:50.38 | Manoj` | pngwn, well, I think the developers (being users ourselves) are aware of the pitfalls of long release cycles -- and that, however, is but one aspect of the thing I spend so much spare time working on |
| 16:50.51 | kapil | liable: thanks for the invitation. I've got a bit bored teaching first year calculus. So first debian install here-i-come. |
| 16:51.01 | nkuttler | djp: sudo has the advantage that things get logged |
| 16:51.02 | liable | before sarge released, there didnt seem a problem. Now we have to be politically correct because people dont want to read? |
| 16:51.16 | tweek888 | Can someone help me? I tried upgrading GTK+ and installing GTK+ dev, but now GNOME doesn't work |
| 16:51.17 | Manoj` | pngwn, external perception of the project is also important -- why would a developer care to work for something everyone knows is the scuk? |
| 16:51.18 | liable | kapil: good for you... |
| 16:51.36 | Manoj` | antgel, I mean the number f packages , architectures, and developers |
| 16:51.42 | antgel | !tell tweek888 about vague |
| 16:51.51 | nullvoid | !beat Manoj` |
| 16:52.00 | antgel | Manoj`: i thought we're now supporting less archs |
| 16:52.17 | Manoj` | tweek888: what are you running? sarge? testing? sid? |
| 16:52.20 | djp | nkuttler, i see. are there certain restrictions with sudo, i.e., not allowing certain commands to be executed? |
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| 16:52.35 | amphi | tweek888: you built gtk from src? |
| 16:52.35 | kapil | liable: unfortunately, like the GTK question just now, it is folks who want to learn riemannian geometry (read run unstable) before learning calculus (read sarge) whom one often has to deal with. |
| 16:52.40 | Manoj` | antgel, not really. we may release fewer arches, but even that is not yet set in stone |
| 16:52.40 | nkuttler | djp: man sudo, man visudo |
| 16:52.58 | nvz | you are only allowed to run what sudoers says you can |
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| 16:52.59 | djp | cheers nkuttler |
| 16:53.07 | Manoj` | antgel, but you would still be able to apt-get every single arch we currently have in the stables |
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| 16:53.14 | djp | thanks nvz |
| 16:53.22 | Gnea | ok what the hell is this sort of check |
| 16:53.23 | antgel | Manoj`: oh. i was sure i heard that about half were dropped, and there was a fork to support them. perhaps i dreamed it |
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| 16:53.43 | djp | ah, i see... commands listed in /etc/sudoers... cheers nvz |
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| 16:54.02 | Manoj` | antgel, the part that is dropped is whether we release arches that do not meet release criteria -- not that we drop them off the archive, or stop BTS support, or anything like that |
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| 16:54.37 | antgel | Manoj`: imo the large number of arches is a big problem. it's admirable to try, but the numbers don't add up for the masses |
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| 16:55.03 | amphi | antgel: the masses (I assume you mean x86) are already well catered for |
| 16:55.28 | Manoj` | antgel, there we run into motivation issues. Do I really work on debian to make it popular? Or to support the largest numbers of strangers out there? or do I work cause I feel like doing so? |
| 16:55.38 | elirips | how can i make a loop in a script that never ends? |
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| 16:55.44 | liable | Manoj`: and? |
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| 16:55.51 | Manoj` | while true; do ... done |
| 16:56.01 | antgel | amphi: not when their release is held back. by masses, i suppose i mean x86, ppc, sparc |
| 16:56.23 | Manoj` | liable, so the architectures that get supported are the ones people want to work on, not those that have the largest numbers of customers |
| 16:56.38 | amphi | antgel: there are many other distros that support popular archs |
| 16:56.52 | antgel | Manoj`: there's no point working on debian if people desert it due to slow release cycles |
| 16:57.02 | antgel | amphi: yes, but not with debians benefits |
| 16:57.05 | Manoj` | antgel, but architectures that hold everyoen else back are beginning to be an issue, hence the vancouver release criteria |
| 16:57.22 | antgel | Manoj`: *nod* |
| 16:57.29 | gnube | antgel: ppc is really a gaming platform now and Sparc is giving way to AMD |
| 16:57.31 | choti | como configuro el audio |
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| 16:57.35 | choti | alsaconfig?? |
| 16:57.37 | Gigi_ | hello! :) question: is it possible to re-configure a debian sarge (on 2.4.27) with the script asking me questions (like dpkg-reconfigure ...) |
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| 16:57.44 | gnube | choti: es muy dificil |
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| 16:57.51 | Lilldude | hey laible |
| 16:57.52 | amphi | choti: /j #debian-es |
| 16:57.59 | antgel | !tell choti about es |
| 16:58.05 | liable | Lilldude: hi |
| 16:58.05 | Manoj` | antgel, I work on debian to provide me with machines I can run a UNIX like OS on. I'll continue to do so while debian meets my needs better than other distributions -- whether or not we are loosing end users, which, really, come low down on my totme pole |
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| 16:58.39 | Lilldude | liable do you know how to remove that thing on desk top i emailed you aboughty |
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| 16:58.47 | liable | Manoj`: exactly, you do it cause you want to, we hang here cause we want to, if people dont get the answers they want... |
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| 16:59.00 | Manoj` | antgel, so the motivation for a lot of developers is _not_ the unwashed masses, it is creating the best distribution they can -- and you take the work from anyone who wants to work, including those working on useless software, like, say, vi or vim |
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| 16:59.08 | liable | Lilldude: um, you lost me.. |
| 16:59.11 | gnube | Manoj`: If you lose users, you will lose developers. If you lose too many developers, the system starts to stagnate. |
| 16:59.35 | amphi | Manoj': vim useless??? |
| 16:59.44 | liable | !start an editor war |
| 16:59.44 | dpkg | emacs blows |
| 16:59.51 | amphi | ;) |
| 16:59.57 | Manoj` | liable, the problem is partially that this channel is seen as an official project supportchannel. Now, while I am not doing the work for charity or the unwashed masses, the reputation of what one produces is important. |
| 17:00.13 | karsten | elirips: while :; do <stuff>; done |
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| 17:00.31 | karsten | elirips: ... ':' is a shell builtin, equivalent to 'true'. |
| 17:00.32 | Manoj` | gnube, when I joined debian, we had M60 developers. We had a nice enough system then |
| 17:00.32 | gnube | elirips: while (1) do |
| 17:00.37 | antgel | Manoj`: if buggy arches aren't going to hold up releases, then all well and good |
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| 17:00.49 | gnube | Manoj`: How many are there today? |
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| 17:01.01 | Gigi_ | mhm.. |
| 17:01.04 | Manoj` | antgel, well, that is what the vancouver proposal all about. let us see if it adopted |
| 17:01.26 | antgel | Manoj`: the reputation is not as important as the product. infact the reputation is only important for attracting users, which we don't care about |
| 17:01.38 | liable | Manoj`: i can fully understand your point. but if you want helpers that bend over for there "customers" then i guess debian may die a horrible death..(unfortunately) |
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| 17:01.47 | Manoj` | gnube, about 950 officially, but now we have people sponsoring proto-developers, so we have perhaps half as many again actively maintaining packages , I would think |
| 17:01.50 | Lilldude | does any know how to rid xtra desk top items? |
| 17:01.54 | gnube | Lilldude: ps zux | grep xclock |
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| 17:02.13 | RichiH | antgel: it should be possible to weed out the really offensive types, though |
| 17:02.14 | Lilldude | ok gnube what do i do? |
| 17:02.19 | Manoj` | liable, all one is asking for is a culture that does not condone rudeness and lashing out at hapless newbies. |
| 17:02.21 | liable | Lilldude: right click on it, then put in trash or whatever. |
| 17:02.27 | Lilldude | ok |
| 17:02.31 | gnube | Lilldude: go to the command line (terminal) |
| 17:02.32 | RichiH | antgel: you don't need to carry them on a bed of roses. but bashing at them for twenty minutes is Not Good |
| 17:02.33 | Lilldude | il try that hol on |
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| 17:02.51 | Manoj` | antgel, but the reputation of the channel begins to detract from the reputation of the product, then there is an issue. |
| 17:03.09 | BENtheTEN | does anyone have problems with udev (15. sept update) and usb devices? |
| 17:03.24 | gnube | Manoj`: I think that the OS and the IRC channel are widely seen as very different entities. |
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| 17:03.39 | antgel | Manoj`: before that, look for a culture where the newbies don't have the hapless option! |
| 17:03.44 | Manoj` | BENtheTEN, well, in Sid, udev and hotplug seem to be in a bit of a flux |
| 17:03.44 | RichiH | gnube: look at /. .. not so :/ |
| 17:03.46 | gnube | IRC requires asbestos underpants as they say. |
| 17:03.51 | liable | Manoj`: answer me this. Is debian a newbies distro? |
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| 17:04.04 | green_earz | Manoj`: so why do you use the word " unwashed masses " if you " not condone rudeness and lashing out at hapless newbies. " ? |
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| 17:04.08 | antgel | Manoj`: why?q i find it hard to believe in the big wide world that #debian has any reputation at all |
| 17:04.19 | liable | Manoj`: if it is, then make the automagic scripts and make it like mandrake.. |
| 17:04.21 | Manoj` | gnube, well, the irc channel is percieved to be the support channel for the OS, and the support mechanism factors in in the reputation of the OS as well. |
| 17:04.22 | meriad | what exactly does this indicate, i Noticed it in my systems logfiels after oracle crashed among other applications... VM: killing process sqlplus |
| 17:04.22 | meriad | __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) |
| 17:04.23 | RichiH | liable: if ubuntu changes get backported, it starts to become one |
| 17:04.28 | amphi | liable: I think it is suitable for newbies - it's a lot easier and better documented than the first RedHat I installed |
| 17:04.28 | meriad | any suggetsions would be appreciated |
| 17:04.31 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, ah ok I just wanted to get my pictures from the cam and wot |
| 17:04.43 | antgel | RichiH: i just *plonk* them now. helps me keep my cool |
| 17:04.44 | RichiH | amphi: definately |
| 17:04.48 | Manoj` | liable, no, but niether is it a community that ought to be rude to people who are not the target audience |
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| 17:05.00 | RichiH | amphi: esp the man pages that are written by debian and the pre-config of stuff |
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| 17:05.10 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, and without udev it is quied hard :) |
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| 17:05.15 | RichiH | the vsftp.conf of debian is the best doc you can get on the net |
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| 17:05.19 | RichiH | and that says sth.. |
| 17:05.24 | liable | Manoj`: hey, how much abuse have you seen here while you have been here? |
| 17:05.27 | RichiH | vsftpd |
| 17:05.43 | Manoj` | green_earz, it is a term that has lost the original connotation, for the most part; and is now mostly used mildly humorously |
| 17:05.45 | RichiH | antgel: way better to plonk than to bash |
| 17:05.45 | amphi | RichiH: yeah, the well-commented config files are fantastic |
| 17:05.52 | gnube | liable: There is a fair amount of abuse even here on this IRC channel. |
| 17:05.57 | Manoj` | liable, less since I woke up :) |
| 17:06.20 | RichiH | amphi: my vsftpd.conf is the main export thing from /me to gentoo using friends and colluegues.. :) |
| 17:06.22 | Manoj` | BENtheTEN, what are you running? stable? which kernel version? |
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| 17:06.35 | liable | gnube: well, thats what we are talking about.. |
| 17:06.43 | antgel | Manoj`: aha. there you go. you find it funny but some people don't |
| 17:06.44 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, sid kernel 2.6.12 |
| 17:06.52 | gnube | Sorry to jump in mid-0chat, it was interesting. |
| 17:07.02 | liable | Manoj`: see, people talk about shit they dont know about and... |
| 17:07.03 | hackeron | whats the right way to pronounce debian, is it dee-bee-ann, or deh-bee-ann? |
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| 17:07.18 | Manoj` | antgel, I am not singling out people, but you are correct: the term can be seen as contributing to a hostile environment for novices. |
| 17:07.46 | gnube | hackeron: deb - een |
| 17:07.50 | amphi | hackeron: it rhymes with 'pteranodon' |
| 17:07.51 | Manoj` | liable, I don't know shit about a whole lot of things, but I would thank people not to be rude to me. |
| 17:08.08 | Manoj` | BENtheTEN, well, udev seems to work for me right now, in farly recent sid |
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| 17:08.16 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, btw, it worked till yesterday .. I did a upgrade dist-upgrade today |
| 17:08.18 | antgel | Manoj`: but i would never dream of telling you not to use it. i'm not a moron and i know that it's not meant maliciously |
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| 17:08.23 | Manoj` | BENtheTEN, what happens when you plug in the camera? |
| 17:08.29 | meriad | is it possible to create a SWAP partition from a FILE, ONCE a drive has already be formatted, and WITHOUT losing data on the partition. |
| 17:08.44 | Manoj` | BENtheTEN, oooh. thanks for the heads up. Note to self: do not dist upgrade. |
| 17:08.51 | liable | Manoj`: thats a whole culture thing too. you could tell me i am a dickhead, and its like water off a ducks back, but.. |
| 17:08.53 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, it just tells me: Sep 16 19:01:37 bttbb kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6" |
| 17:08.59 | Lilldude | its o clock i trying to rid |
| 17:09.03 | Manoj` | BENtheTEN, I think someone put in a new version of hotplug yesterday |
| 17:09.06 | abrotman | selim: did you get it? |
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| 17:09.23 | Lilldude | permently remove o clock how? |
| 17:09.25 | amphi | meriad: I believe linux can use swap files |
| 17:09.25 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, no device creation or hal mount activity |
| 17:09.27 | antgel | liable: you're a dickhead! |
| 17:09.31 | Manoj` | BENtheTEN, the changelog says that some stuff has changed in hotplug |
| 17:09.38 | meriad | amphi; swap files? explain how to mount a file as swap |
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| 17:09.42 | liable | antgel: fuck you! :P |
| 17:09.48 | gnube | meriad: I am not sure, but I think a SWAP file will most likely overwrite informatin on the file system. |
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| 17:10.01 | antgel | liable: right, i'm complaining to the DPL about you |
| 17:10.08 | liable | heh |
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| 17:10.17 | Lilldude | does any know oclock removel |
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| 17:10.34 | antgel | Lilldude: what's your native language? |
| 17:10.37 | liable | Lilldude: why do you want to remove the clock? |
| 17:10.38 | Manoj` | BENtheTEN, could you please file a bug on udev? and you can label it at least important, or even mostly useless |
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| 17:10.41 | gnube | Lilldude: Have you used the terminal before? The command line? |
| 17:10.51 | Lilldude | yeah |
| 17:10.59 | Lilldude | what command |
| 17:11.00 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, hmm the last changelog I've seen in hotplug was 5th August |
| 17:11.06 | gnube | Lilldude: Fire the terminal up and lets see what we can do |
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| 17:11.12 | Lilldude | ok |
| 17:11.25 | gnube | Lilldude: First lets see if we can find your clock thingy. |
| 17:11.33 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, hmm ok maybe if I don't get it to work |
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| 17:11.44 | amphi | Lilldude: why do you want to remove oclock? |
| 17:11.46 | gnube | Lilldude: do this; ps aux | grep clock |
| 17:11.53 | gnube | Lilldude: What do you see? |
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| 17:12.37 | Manoj` | BENtheTEN, please keep me posted, I have a camera with pictures in it too :) |
| 17:12.48 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, hehe ok |
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| 17:13.05 | bill-barriere | damn you all you debian fool |
| 17:13.33 | liable | bill-barriere: off to bed son.. |
| 17:13.59 | bill-barriere | your triing to destroy the capitalism way arent ya |
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| 17:14.11 | Lilldude | cand find it clock |
| 17:14.13 | bill-barriere | you damnned zealot of the thecno religion |
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| 17:14.32 | liable | !ops bill-barriere idiot |
| 17:14.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: bill-barriere idiot |
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| 17:15.06 | liable | cheers |
| 17:15.12 | bob2 | wtf |
| 17:15.13 | gnube | Lilldude: You can't find the clock? |
| 17:15.15 | Manoj` | heh |
| 17:15.19 | gnube | caphuso: Thanks. |
| 17:15.31 | caphuso | i didn't do anything, but you're welcome anyway ;-) |
| 17:15.46 | Lilldude | gnube nope comand not found |
| 17:16.11 | gnube | Lilldude: Try this first: type just two letters into the terminal: ps |
| 17:16.17 | gnube | what do you see? |
| 17:16.56 | Lilldude | bash ps |
| 17:17.18 | gnube | Lilldude: great, now type this: ps aux |
| 17:17.20 | Manoj` | gnube, perhaps you should see if they have top |
| 17:17.34 | liable | Lilldude: why are you removing the clock? |
| 17:17.34 | gnube | Manoj`: You think top is easier? |
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| 17:17.53 | gnube | Manoj`: I think it has a harder interface to kill from. |
| 17:18.01 | gnube | But that may be just me. |
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| 17:18.10 | Lilldude | gnube lots o stuff |
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| 17:18.21 | gnube | Lilldude: Great! that is what we want |
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| 17:18.34 | nvz | I like htop. I think it may have been removed though |
| 17:18.39 | liable | here we go.. |
| 17:18.40 | nvz | !+info htop sarge |
| 17:18.43 | dpkg | htop: (interactive processes viewer), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
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| 17:18.47 | gnube | Lilldude: Next, do the same thing, that is: ps aux | grep clock |
| 17:18.48 | Lilldude | what laible |
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| 17:19.05 | gnube | Lilldude: The line there after the ps aux command is called a pipe |
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| 17:19.18 | Lilldude | ok |
| 17:19.22 | gnube | It should be on the top right-hand side of your keyboard. |
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| 17:19.32 | gnube | You should have to use shift to type it. |
| 17:19.35 | nvz | htop is much nicer interface than traditional top, its configurable with status indicators for cpu and memory..etc |
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| 17:19.51 | nvz | works on console, its curses based |
| 17:19.55 | kombi | could not early remove e2fsprogs -> What is that? |
| 17:20.04 | Lilldude | ok now i type pipe? |
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| 17:20.08 | kombi | freshly installed box.. |
| 17:20.10 | Mr-R | what about xkill? |
| 17:20.13 | bob2 | kombi: upgrade to sarge |
| 17:20.18 | liable | kombi: dont let apt remove that! |
| 17:20.18 | Gigi_ | sow... next try :) can anyone answer me a short (and for experts like you) simple question? |
| 17:20.21 | antgel | kombi: sarge? |
| 17:20.25 | Gigi_ | please |
| 17:20.26 | kombi | bob2: this is sarge |
| 17:20.28 | humbraro | nvz: that htop is pretty cool |
| 17:20.30 | antgel | !tell Gigi_ about ask |
| 17:20.33 | gnube | Lilldude: all on one line type: ps aux | grep clock |
| 17:20.36 | bob2 | kombi: and you're trying to upgrade to sid? |
| 17:20.39 | Manoj` | gnube, typeing k in top asks you for process name, which may be easier for people not quite comfortable with the command line |
| 17:20.43 | Lilldude | gnmbe do i type pipe? |
| 17:20.56 | kombi | bob2: no, just trying to install a couple of packages |
| 17:21.12 | gnube | Manoj`: I know but the interface is hard to decipher, hard to see where to enter text for a noob. |
| 17:21.19 | bob2 | kombi: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 17:21.24 | antgel | kombi: cat /etc/sources.list |
| 17:21.27 | Lilldude | gnube i got that first command to work |
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| 17:21.38 | kombi | got to come eat first, just a sec.., |
| 17:21.54 | Manoj` | gnube, you may well be right |
| 17:21.55 | Gigi_ | antgel i asked about half an hour ago .... nobody read me :( ok ...... here my "problem" ... is it possible to reconfigure my hole system ... (for example: dpkg-reconfigure debien) |
| 17:21.57 | Gigi_ | debian even |
| 17:22.01 | gnube | Lilldude: I will type out the whole command for you and you can cut and paste it into your terminal. |
| 17:22.08 | Lilldude | cool |
| 17:22.11 | gnube | ps aux | grep clock |
| 17:22.19 | gnube | Lilldude: There is was ^^^^^ |
| 17:22.20 | liable | gnube: dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 17:22.20 | Lilldude | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.23 | Manoj` | Gigi_, well, sure, even if not that directly |
| 17:22.24 | antgel | Gigi_: nobody answered you because your question doesn't make sense |
| 17:22.26 | Lilldude | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.37 | gnube | Lilldude: exactly |
| 17:22.44 | gnube | Lilldude: what do you see? |
| 17:22.45 | js_ | !tell Gigi_ about reinstall |
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| 17:22.48 | compguymac | Gigi_: yes |
| 17:22.50 | Manoj` | Gigi_, if you want to reconfigure every package in the system you need to write a little script |
| 17:22.54 | compguymac | i know how to help you |
| 17:22.55 | Lilldude | gnube now what |
| 17:23.00 | alala | How can i open from port 6881 to 6999 with one sentence rule? |
| 17:23.05 | gnube | Lilldude: What do you see? |
| 17:23.11 | compguymac | Gigi_: you ready"? |
| 17:23.14 | Gigi_ | antgel in my case it does. i don't have physical access to my system |
| 17:23.18 | AyamKampung | is dpkg a bot ? |
| 17:23.19 | nkuttler | Gigi_: man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:23.27 | Lilldude | gnube root numbers then grep clock |
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| 17:23.36 | gnube | Lilldude: Do you see a line like this: |
| 17:23.38 | antgel | AyamKampung: *nod* |
| 17:23.40 | gnube | jeremiah 2237 0.0 0.1 18644 452 p3 S+ 6:48PM 0:00.01 bash |
| 17:23.42 | compguymac | dpkg-reconfigure xstartup-xfree86 |
| 17:23.44 | Mr-R | alala: 6881:6999 should work |
| 17:23.50 | antgel | Gigi_: no it doesn't |
| 17:23.54 | Manoj` | Gigi_, you can use dpkg --get-selection | grep -v deinstall | awk '{ print $1}' | while read i; do dpkg-reconfigure $i; done |
| 17:24.03 | Lilldude | gnube yes |
| 17:24.03 | alala | Mr-R: ye thanks |
| 17:24.15 | Gigi_ | Manoj` there are no packages ... just a "naked" debian ... and i just want to do the settings by myself without editing every *.conf manually |
| 17:24.16 | Manoj` | Gigi_, and wait for a long long while reconfiguring each and every package you have installed |
| 17:24.18 | gnube | Lilldude: what is the number right after the word "root"? |
| 17:24.25 | Gigi_ | js_ thx |
| 17:24.44 | gnube | Lilldude: That is the process id, or pid. |
| 17:24.46 | Manoj` | Gigi_, there is no such thing as a "naked" debian -- even a base install has packages, and those can be reconfigured like that |
| 17:24.47 | dsl1122 | hi guys |
| 17:24.52 | compguymac | dsl1122: yo |
| 17:24.56 | AyamKampung | what kind of bot (dpkg) ? |
| 17:25.01 | Gigi_ | compguymac ready |
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| 17:25.08 | liable | !what are you |
| 17:25.08 | nkuttler | Gigi_: sounds like you want base-config |
| 17:25.09 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 17:25.09 | compguymac | Gigi_: for? |
| 17:25.33 | Mr-R | Gigi_: you are not looking for base-config? |
| 17:25.36 | liable | err, doesnt dpkg-reconfigure -a do it?? |
| 17:25.42 | Mr-R | ups. too slow... :) |
| 17:25.54 | nkuttler | liable: sure |
| 17:26.05 | Gigi_ | Mr-R nkuttler .... thank you ... that's it |
| 17:26.15 | Lilldude | gnube 3900 0.0 0.1 1836 588 pts/2 st00.19 0,00 grep clock |
| 17:26.21 | compguymac | hey liable, are you liable? |
| 17:26.31 | gnube | Lilldude: That is the only line? |
| 17:26.33 | kenboo | AyamKampung, chicken village? |
| 17:26.34 | liable | meaning? |
| 17:26.37 | Lilldude | gnube yes |
| 17:26.41 | Gigi_ | Manoj` antgel & co. thx anyways :) |
| 17:26.59 | compguymac | n/m |
| 17:27.10 | AyamKampung | kenboo: :p |
| 17:27.23 | gnube | Lilldude: click on the clock itself. |
| 17:27.29 | Lilldude | ok |
| 17:27.29 | antgel | Manoj`: NB i told him his question was crap and the sky didn't fall in, he didn't complain to the dpl, and he got his problem solved |
| 17:27.33 | compguymac | AyamKampung: is that gentoo's syster? |
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| 17:27.58 | Lilldude | gnube now what |
| 17:28.12 | gnube | Lilldude: Does it show the name of the clock anywhere? |
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| 17:28.24 | gnube | like in the application bar, if you have that running? |
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| 17:28.39 | gnube | Lilldude: can you right click on it to get its properties? |
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| 17:29.17 | Lilldude | yes that one is digital clock |
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| 17:29.27 | Lilldude | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.32 | Manoj` | antgel, also note I was there to ameliorate your response :) |
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| 17:30.11 | antgel | Manoj`: jesus, are you a native english speaker?q i have no idea what ameliorate means |
| 17:30.12 | liable | Lilldude: you just want to remove the clock from the taskbar? |
| 17:30.16 | gnube | Lilldude: and you do not see any out put with the word "oclock" in it when you do ps aux | grep clock? |
| 17:30.22 | gnube | lilThat is odd. |
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| 17:30.42 | gnube | Lilldude: Yeah, I think the clock you are looking at is in the task bar. |
| 17:30.57 | gnube | try right clicking the thing. |
| 17:31.03 | antgel | !dict ameliorate |
| 17:31.05 | dpkg | Dictionary 'ameliorate' (2): In every human being there is a wish to ameliorate his own condition. --Macaulay. ;; Ameliorate \A*mel"io*rate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Ameliorated; p. pr. & vb. n. Ameliorating.] [L. ad + meliorare to make better: cf. F. am['e]liorer. See Meliorate.] To make better; to improve; to meliorate.. |
| 17:31.09 | Lilldude | gnube that one in task bar is ok |
| 17:31.27 | gnube | Lilldude: OK so you are a running an X clock called O Clock? |
| 17:31.28 | hackeron | how do I DNAT 0.0.0.0:25 to 10.44.46.19:25 - or port forward, or what ever its called without the use of a tool like shorewall? |
| 17:31.33 | Lilldude | when i start up o clok pops up 2 in next to trash bin |
| 17:31.45 | Lilldude | i want to olny have digital not o clock |
| 17:31.51 | antgel | hackeron: you read the ip masquerading howto |
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| 17:32.31 | gnube | Lilldude: Oh, you want the clock to be digital not analog clock? |
| 17:32.42 | Lilldude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:32.50 | gnube | Lilldude: Gotcha. |
| 17:33.02 | Lilldude | one when i turn on pc o clock aslo pops up on desk top |
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| 17:33.10 | hackeron | antgel: hmm, thats it, thanks :) |
| 17:33.11 | Lilldude | that bugger i want to disable |
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| 17:33.22 | Lilldude | and leave the digital one running |
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| 17:33.32 | gnube | Lilldude: I am not sure why we cannot find the process id for that clock. |
| 17:33.42 | gnube | ps aux lists everything. |
| 17:33.51 | Lilldude | ill try it agin |
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| 17:34.03 | dfadel | hello friends. |
| 17:34.18 | gnube | Lilldude: Do this at the command line: xclock |
| 17:34.23 | roler | what is the best dyndns.org client? I installed ddclient but the stupid thing set my dyndns account to my local internal IP, not my external internet ip... |
| 17:34.35 | gnube | Lilldude: Do you see another identical clock? |
| 17:34.38 | blowjobba | apt.get windows |
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| 17:35.12 | gnube | blowjobba: I think you mean apt-get remove --pruge windoes |
| 17:35.24 | gnube | or apt-get remove windows |
| 17:35.26 | amphi | pruge? |
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| 17:35.33 | gnube | amphi: GGGgggggg. |
| 17:35.39 | amphi | heh |
| 17:35.44 | leOn | hiya |
| 17:35.44 | gnube | me talk pretty one day. |
| 17:35.56 | blowjobba | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:36.08 | gnube | blowjobba: How incredibly pithy. |
| 17:36.09 | dfadel | I have bind9 and apache2 installed. in runlevel 2, I have S15bind9 and S91apache2. When I do HALT, bind9 stops before, but apache try to resolve the virtual hosts... How could I solve this? |
| 17:36.22 | blowjobba | :) |
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| 17:36.23 | Lilldude | yeah gnube i got o clock now showing and digital |
| 17:36.30 | Lilldude | and comand line shows too |
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| 17:36.36 | gnube | Lilldude: So it looks exactly the same? |
| 17:36.47 | Lilldude | kinda |
| 17:36.53 | gnube | Lilldude: Then it is probably xclock you are running. |
| 17:37.01 | gnube | try this; |
| 17:37.04 | Lilldude | right |
| 17:37.09 | gnube | ps zux | grep xclock |
| 17:37.13 | gnube | sorry! |
| 17:37.15 | jelly | dfadel: check out K* links, in rc0.d |
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| 17:37.26 | gnube | Lilldude: ps aux | grep xclock |
| 17:37.43 | Manoj` | gnube: ps auwwx | egrep -i clock |
| 17:38.01 | gnube | Manoj`: Yummy! |
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| 17:38.23 | gnube | Lilldude: do this ps auwwx | egrep -i clock |
| 17:38.25 | SaNaLKRaL | hi |
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| 17:38.51 | leOn | i've installed the bootsplash packages and i seem to have eveything configured since on shutdown it does show the bootsplash, but on boot process i only get regular fb boot messages. from what i understood, the splash utility creates initrd files for inclusion on the grub/lilo loaders, but i already have an initrd that i need. how can i append the bootsplash stuff to the existing initrd file? |
| 17:38.54 | gnube | dfadel: what are you trying to solve exactly? |
| 17:39.07 | Lilldude | gnube now what stuuf opend big list |
| 17:39.23 | SaNaLKRaL | rrrrr |
| 17:39.24 | SaNaLKRaL | D |
| 17:39.31 | SaNaLKRaL | ./server sohbetimtr.com |
| 17:39.31 | Manoj` | leOn, I think you'll have to use mkinitrd and stuff |
| 17:39.32 | SaNaLKRaL | ./server sohbetimtr.com |
| 17:39.34 | SaNaLKRaL | ./server sohbetimtr.com |
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| 17:39.49 | Manoj` | leOn, the original initrd on your machine was created using mkinitrd |
| 17:39.49 | amphi | *sigh* |
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| 17:39.53 | Lilldude | gnube |
| 17:39.57 | gnube | Lilldude: hey there |
| 17:40.02 | Lilldude | no what |
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| 17:40.06 | gnube | Lilldude: So you now have a lot of output? |
| 17:40.11 | Lilldude | yes |
| 17:40.28 | leOn | Manoj`: yep |
| 17:40.31 | gnube | Lilldude: lets try this again; |
| 17:40.36 | Lilldude | ok |
| 17:40.37 | gnube | ps aux | grep xclock |
| 17:40.48 | leOn | Manoj`: make-kpkg actually, so i assume mkinitrd |
| 17:40.53 | gnube | Lilldude: does that have any lines? |
| 17:41.31 | djp | can anyone throw any light on why when i try and get my screen resolution to work correctly by running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 using the sudo command the configuration screen does not work correctly, my keystrokes not being recognised properly? |
| 17:41.46 | Lilldude | two lines |
| 17:41.55 | dfadel | gnube: when apache stops, it tries to solve my virtual domains |
| 17:41.59 | gnube | Lilldude: What is the first line. |
| 17:42.05 | Lilldude | o clock |
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| 17:42.13 | Manoj` | leOn, right. make-kpkg creates a kernel-image postinst (look for /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image*.postinst) that calls mkinitrd on installation, so you can just update stuff and recreate theinitrd image (be sure to have other kernel versions and save your current initrd image) |
| 17:42.16 | stew | djp: but it works from su? |
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| 17:42.28 | gnube | dfadel: So apache hangs when you are shutting down? |
| 17:42.29 | dfadel | gnube: it only stops when domains solving goes timeout |
| 17:42.46 | Lilldude | gnube can you remove stuff using packadge installer? |
| 17:42.53 | dfadel | gnube: yes. it hangs a lot of time to stop |
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| 17:43.01 | djp | stew, works fine under root terminal, yes. i just wondered why that would be? |
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| 17:43.09 | gnube | dfadel: You can move httpd in run level 2 to shut down before named or bind9 |
| 17:43.17 | stew | djp: does it work when you "su -" and not when you just "su" ? |
| 17:43.32 | stew | djp: or vice-versa |
| 17:43.44 | gnube | stew su - just adds your path to the root user's path |
| 17:43.48 | amphi | Lilldude: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:43.57 | kombi | bob2: done with dinner, where do i paste into? |
| 17:44.04 | bob2 | nevermind |
| 17:44.07 | gnube | Lilldude: sure, do apt-get remove <package name> |
| 17:44.08 | stew | gnube: depends on what you have in .profile / .bash_profile |
| 17:44.19 | djp | stew, i believe it is only the sudo command that did not work correctly... |
| 17:44.19 | dfadel | Should a swap between rc0.d/K85bind9 and rc0.d/K91apache2 solve? |
| 17:44.21 | Lilldude | trying to get o clock not to start up |
| 17:44.39 | Lilldude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.55 | kombi | bob2: my apt_sources.list i mean.. |
| 17:44.59 | amphi | Lilldude: how is it starting? is it in yr .xsession? |
| 17:45.02 | stew | djp: is this in x or from a vt ? |
| 17:45.09 | gnube | dfadel: It should. |
| 17:45.09 | Lilldude | ampi right |
| 17:45.11 | Manoj` | Lilldude, no space between o and clock, right? |
| 17:45.20 | Lilldude | right |
| 17:45.27 | amphi | Lilldude: then delete it from .xsession |
| 17:45.34 | Lilldude | how ampi |
| 17:45.59 | dfadel | gnube: yes. I changed K91apache2 to K84apache2. now it stops just before bind... |
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| 17:46.01 | gnube | stew: How so? |
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| 17:46.04 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, as far as I am ill at the moment and have about 39°C fever, I think I'll go offline and try upgrade tomorrow again |
| 17:46.06 | bob2 | kombi: #flood |
| 17:46.14 | amphi | Lilldude: grep clock ~/.xsession shows anything? |
| 17:46.14 | kombi | thx!" |
| 17:46.23 | dfadel | gnube, jelly : thank you. |
| 17:46.28 | gnube | dfadel: That is a dirty fix I think, you may want to look into doing something else maybe with the apache config. |
| 17:46.35 | gnube | dfadel: You are welcome. |
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| 17:46.54 | djp | stew, in x |
| 17:46.59 | Manoj` | BENtheTEN, get well, dude. see you around. |
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| 17:47.17 | kombi | holy smokes, how do paste when you just have a command line.. |
| 17:47.29 | BENtheTEN | Manoj`, thanks bye |
| 17:47.31 | gnube | kombi: click the scroll wheel. |
| 17:47.31 | De_Mon | "e-therial" or "ether-real"? |
| 17:47.41 | gnube | De_Mon: Ethereal |
| 17:47.42 | leOn | Manoj`: looks reasonable to me being able to have mkinitrd.conf configured so it can contemplate bootsplash automagically ... you think there's any option for that_ |
| 17:47.44 | Manoj` | kombi, gpm allows cutting and pasting on the console |
| 17:47.44 | leOn | ? |
| 17:47.48 | pack | is there a debian on dell channel? |
| 17:47.52 | jelly | I vote e-therial ;-) |
| 17:48.07 | Manoj` | leOn, undortunately, no, not offhand |
| 17:48.08 | De_Mon | jelly heh |
| 17:48.12 | kombi | Manoj: thanks, I`ll try that |
| 17:48.14 | De_Mon | gnube e-the-real? |
| 17:48.17 | Manoj` | pack, highly unlikely |
| 17:48.20 | dfadel | gnube: This machine is a new server I'm installing here and I've installed vhcs2 (hosting manager) that did all apache, bind, postfix configurations... it did a lot of marks in configuration files that I don't know exactly how to mess with that... |
| 17:48.23 | Lilldude | noting in x seesion |
| 17:48.32 | gnube | De_Mon: Oh I get it. I think. |
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| 17:48.39 | stew | gnube: when you add a -, it makes it a login shell, since its a login shell, .profile / .bash_profile get sourced. In your case, it sounds like .bash_profile changes the path for your root user, but that is not always the case, and .bash_profile could do other things (which might be messing him up) |
| 17:48.40 | kombi | Manoj: tough luck, not installed.. |
| 17:48.48 | Lilldude | anpi noting in x session |
| 17:48.48 | pack | In that case, anyone ever install onto a megaraid card? |
| 17:48.57 | stew | djp: have you tried from a vt? have you tried with su and su - ? |
| 17:49.12 | Manoj` | kombi, well, that is the standard solution. bash and zsh also allow you to cut and paste, info bash should help |
| 17:49.18 | amphi | Lilldude: ok - BTW, you can probably use tab to complete nicks in yr client |
| 17:49.37 | bob2 | pack: should be fine; the kernel won't know it's running on raid, tho, so you need to setup the array in advance |
| 17:49.42 | Lilldude | ok so no idea how to stop it shoot |
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| 17:50.04 | gnube | stew: Gotcha, I have always just assumed that it added the users path but upon reading the man pages I am enlightened. |
| 17:50.12 | kombi | bob2: I`m afraid I can`t past with this box, it is still all naked. sources.list says testing though |
| 17:50.16 | amphi | Lilldude; it's hard to understand what's going on from here; you just want to close a clock window? |
| 17:50.18 | yang26 | I upgraded kernel, but now I get an error, when I startx - cannot open device mouse -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/724 |
| 17:50.23 | gnube | Lilldude: when you did ps aux | grep xclock |
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| 17:50.28 | gnube | there was two lines of output. |
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| 17:50.38 | Lilldude | gnube yes |
| 17:50.42 | jgb | If I want to create an iso image of all packages on our local ftp mirror for a specific architecture, how do I go about it? |
| 17:50.42 | bob2 | kombi: sure you can |
| 17:50.47 | bob2 | kombi: /exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:50.48 | gnube | Lilldude: Get the number right after "root" from the first line. |
| 17:50.49 | Manoj` | kombi, from the readline manual: `C-y' Yank the most recently killed text back into the buffer at the cursor. |
| 17:50.51 | bob2 | kombi: in #flood, of course |
| 17:50.56 | pack | bob2: yeah i tried that. went into the raid utils, set raid1 with a hot spare, and then booted the sarge installer, but it says it's can't find any harddrives. i tried to fdisk /dev/sda which is where i figured it showed up. no luck though |
| 17:50.57 | gnube | Lilldude: What is that? |
| 17:50.58 | kombi | bob2: cool! |
| 17:50.58 | bob2 | jgb: with the debian-cd package |
| 17:51.11 | bob2 | pack: how odd |
| 17:51.20 | bob2 | pack: dmesg shows the megaraid driver loading? |
| 17:51.24 | jgb | ty |
| 17:51.25 | gnube | kombi: If you are using a scroll wheel or three button mouse you can hit that. |
| 17:51.28 | Lilldude | gnube 3912 |
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| 17:51.34 | stew | gnube: why don't you just tell him to use pkill ? ( i would but i don't know what process name he is trying to kill) |
| 17:51.35 | gnube | Lilldude: Do this; |
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| 17:51.43 | djp | stew, vt works fine. only sudo in x is the issue. |
| 17:51.45 | gnube | kill -9 3912 |
| 17:51.46 | pack | bob2: i'm going to have to go poke at it again, but i think it did. |
| 17:51.47 | kombi | bob2: done it! |
| 17:51.56 | kombi | that is so kewl.. |
| 17:52.09 | stew | djp: is it the same for other ncurses apps? |
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| 17:53.04 | djp | stew, i am not sure. |
| 17:53.06 | gnube | stew: Only because I did not know it existed. |
| 17:53.37 | Lilldude | gnube did kill |
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| 17:53.51 | bob2 | kombi: you installed from an old cd, presumably |
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| 17:54.02 | gnube | Lilldude: And do you have the clock? |
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| 17:54.02 | bob2 | kombi: upgrade to sarge, then move to testing |
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| 17:54.19 | djp | stew, is it better to use sudo rather than the root terminal by the way? |
| 17:54.20 | kombi | bob2: thanks a meg! |
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| 17:54.37 | Lilldude | gnube have clock were? |
| 17:54.52 | kombi | where`s the instruction for upgrading to sarge again..? |
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| 17:55.05 | bob2 | kombi: did you install from an old sarge cd? |
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| 17:55.06 | gnube | djp: sudo logs everything, so I like it better that way. |
| 17:55.17 | kombi | bob2: quite likely yes |
| 17:55.23 | bob2 | kombi: replace "testing" with "sarge", then sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:55.40 | stew | djp: yeah, sudo is good |
| 17:55.46 | kombi | bob2: ok! |
| 17:55.56 | gnube | Lilldude: The clock you were trying to be rid of! |
| 17:56.07 | m2 | kombi: to upgrade from what? |
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| 17:56.18 | gnube | djp: In fact some say that you should only use sudo and never login as root. |
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| 17:56.48 | lakcaj | !tell kombi about woody->sarge |
| 17:57.06 | ircops | hey does anybody know anything about make-kpkg? |
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| 17:57.18 | stew | ircops: yeah, lots of people, just ask |
| 17:57.18 | nkuttler | ircops: the man page? |
| 17:57.20 | gnube | if you set <user nam> ALL=(ALL) ALL in /etc/sudoers you will be able to do everything root can do. |
| 17:57.21 | ircops | :D |
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| 17:57.26 | Lilldude | no gnube |
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| 17:57.56 | Lilldude | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.09 | gnube | Lilldude: try pgrep clock |
| 17:58.17 | Lilldude | amphi i guess il ahve to give up |
| 17:58.36 | Manoj` | User_Alias SYSADMIN=srivasta |
| 17:58.38 | Manoj` | SYSADMIN ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 17:58.52 | Lilldude | gnube amphi thanks for help |
| 17:58.53 | Manoj` | heh heh |
| 17:59.12 | gnube | Manoj`: That is schweet. |
| 17:59.29 | ircops | Manoj`: did you know that make-kpkg can build a deb for you out of kernel source? |
| 17:59.33 | gnube | Lilldude: No problem. |
| 17:59.37 | ircops | hehehe I'm still laffin' about dat shiznit |
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| 18:00.07 | djp | stew, soryy! i have just found out, i am not added to the sudoers list with my current username! apologies. how do i add myself to the list? |
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| 18:00.25 | Lilldude | gnube nothing |
| 18:00.38 | Lilldude | going to give up it cant be fixed aor removed |
| 18:00.39 | gnube | djp I think you _have_ to visudo /etc/sudoers |
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| 18:00.51 | gnube | Lilldude: Bummer. |
| 18:00.55 | Lilldude | thanks amphi |
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| 18:01.06 | stew | djp: wait a second. your complaint was "configuration screen does not work correctly, my keystrokes not being recognised properly" how are you getting to the configuration screen at all if you are not a sudoer? |
| 18:01.08 | Lilldude | soory for tuble |
| 18:01.19 | wdamn | Hi, I ve reinstalled windozz and grub is disappeared... now I m tring to reinstall grub with Dynebolic but my sata hd are not recognised - what can I do? |
| 18:01.23 | Mr-R | Lilldude: try starting xkill (in a shell) and clicking on the clock |
| 18:01.52 | Lilldude | it dont show in x session |
| 18:02.05 | Lilldude | cand rid of it any how |
| 18:02.15 | Mr-R | Lilldude: eh? |
| 18:02.17 | djp | stew, i know. when i originally ran a debian install i am sure i managed to use sudo and access the confgi screen. however i just attempted to run the command now as sudo and could not login being told i was not on the soders list. |
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| 18:02.47 | djp | stew, even i am confused. maybe i issued a su command originally, although i could have sworn i used the sudo command... |
| 18:02.57 | Lilldude | mr-r we have been on for coule hours |
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| 18:03.15 | djp | by the way gnube, if i run the visudo command it tells me, command not found |
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| 18:03.26 | stew | djp: you have to run it as root |
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| 18:03.37 | djp | stew, ah ok. |
| 18:03.38 | stew | djp: and its just "visudo" not "visudo /etc/sudoers" |
| 18:03.50 | djp | ok stew, thanks |
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| 18:04.03 | Lilldude | bye all thanks for help if any has ideas let me know |
| 18:04.07 | Mr-R | Lilldude: ok. i was not following the whole subject. sorry. i just had a hunch with xkill... |
| 18:04.08 | rosa | was española |
| 18:04.14 | gnube | djp: My bad |
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| 18:04.56 | Lilldude | well bys all |
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| 18:05.05 | gnube | Lilldude: Later |
| 18:05.06 | rosa | please en español |
| 18:05.11 | penguin_ | Where is open office's data base program? |
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| 18:05.18 | penguin_ | I am using testing |
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| 18:06.14 | yang26 | I upgraded kernel, but now I get an error, when I startx - cannot open device mouse -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/724 |
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| 18:06.32 | rosa | name is rosa |
| 18:06.44 | stew | yang26: you just upgraded from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 18:06.52 | theShtorm | is there a gnome2.12 packages for "sarge", to do something like apt-get install gnome-core? |
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| 18:07.32 | stew | theShtorm: no, sarge has 2.10, not even experimental has 2.12 yet (and sarge will never get 2.12 since its released already) |
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| 18:07.38 | Furio_G | KVIrc 2.1.3 'Renaissance' |
| 18:07.40 | stew | err sarge has 2.8 i mean |
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| 18:07.50 | Furio_G | damnnit i suck, sorry |
| 18:07.56 | rosa | was española |
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| 18:08.01 | stew | !es |
| 18:08.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:08.03 | gnube | rosa: debian-es |
| 18:08.08 | yang26 | stew: 2.2 -> 2.6 |
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| 18:08.13 | caphuso | unstable has 2.6.12 |
| 18:08.14 | stew | yang26: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
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| 18:08.20 | Manoj` | yang26, err. where did you get that kernel from? it seems not to have input devices compiled in |
| 18:08.23 | theShtorm | stew: thanks |
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| 18:08.24 | caphuso | damn, wrong window |
| 18:08.35 | yang26 | Manoj`: its from sarge |
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| 18:08.37 | kombi | bob2: wow, that went down well. How do I move to testing now, same way? |
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| 18:08.51 | stew | Manoj`: he probably just needs to modprobe mousedev |
| 18:08.55 | bob2 | kombi: yes |
| 18:08.59 | stew | Manoj`: / psmouse |
| 18:08.59 | kombi | ok.. |
| 18:09.14 | rosa | was española |
| 18:09.16 | Manoj` | yang26, what stew said. |
| 18:09.27 | rosa | was española |
| 18:09.42 | stew | Manoj`: if he has a 2.2 kenrel he probably dist-upgraded from woody and doesn't have discover/hotplug |
| 18:09.45 | gnube | rosa: !es |
| 18:09.46 | rosa | was española |
| 18:09.50 | stew | rosa: please stop |
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| 18:10.04 | gnube | !es |
| 18:10.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:10.17 | rosa | was española |
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| 18:10.40 | penguin_ | How come my openoffice has no base?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
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| 18:11.05 | stew | penguin_: please chill on the ?'s. you may wanna ask in #debian-oo |
| 18:11.06 | bob2 | could you be more annoying? |
| 18:11.07 | ircops | Has anyone experienced the problem of wireless keyboard keycodes producing "not recognized" messages in tty sessions? The keys not recognized are basically all of them (including alphabetic), but they still work. |
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| 18:11.18 | yang26 | !beer stew |
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| 18:11.21 | kombi | I sure love this distro.. |
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| 18:12.18 | yang26 | Is there a specific channel for linux on laptops? |
| 18:12.23 | stew | yang26: you may consider installing hotplug / discover, which likely would have autodetected this hardware for you |
| 18:12.29 | bob2 | there's the debian-laptop mailing list |
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| 18:12.37 | stew | yang26: and /msg dpkg laptops |
| 18:12.54 | yang26 | stew: i have discover installed, it detects the pcmcia drivers |
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| 18:13.10 | stew | dpkg: cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Optimater/Optimator/ |
| 18:13.10 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, stew |
| 18:13.11 | FabParma | i added a new hdd i would like to link it in the root "/" , how can i create an ext3 filesystem and link it into root "/" thank you for answering |
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| 18:14.11 | bob2 | "linkt it into"? |
| 18:14.17 | bob2 | you can't just add the space of one disk to another |
| 18:14.21 | bob2 | unless you're using LVM |
| 18:14.27 | yang26 | FabParma: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda-x |
| 18:14.31 | bob2 | or do you mean "mount it somewhere in /"? |
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| 18:15.02 | FabParma | yang26: thank you |
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| 18:15.56 | FabParma | bob2: i would like to extend the "/" using a new hd |
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| 18:15.56 | abrotman | stew: dondelelcaro can't spell :) |
| 18:15.56 | penguin_ | Debian-oo is empty |
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| 18:16.07 | penguin_ | anyone here know about openoffice and base? |
| 18:16.10 | kombi | Here comes a question of believe: I promised I would keep this box completely debian, but shouldn't I rather install the latest apache? |
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| 18:16.25 | mentor | dpkg: cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Optimater/Optimator/ |
| 18:16.25 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, mentor |
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| 18:16.36 | mentor | dpkg: cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Optimater/Optimator/ |
| 18:16.36 | dpkg | mentor: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 18:16.38 | kombi | and php, and mysql.. |
| 18:16.38 | ircops | !tell penguin_ about anyone |
| 18:16.39 | stew | penguin_: i don't know what you mean by "and base" but if you have a general question about oo, you can also try #openoffice.org |
| 18:16.49 | karsten | Was the 2.6.11 kernel source tree _removed_ from Debian/ |
| 18:17.06 | karsten | I seem to find it, now it's listed locally as "obsolete" and p.d.o shows 2.6.8 as latest source. |
| 18:17.08 | bob2 | penguin_: try #debian-oo |
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| 18:17.19 | stew | karsten: there is linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 18:17.20 | penguin_ | Base is the database for OO |
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| 18:17.30 | karsten | stew: Hrm. |
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| 18:17.49 | karsten | Stew: looks like it goes through -16. http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 18:17.59 | karsten | stew: Um. No. That's 2.6.8-16. |
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| 18:18.25 | stew | karsten: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-source-2.6.12 |
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| 18:18.32 | stew | karsten: it does look like 2.6.11 was removed |
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| 18:18.57 | karsten | stew: Odd.. |
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| 18:19.54 | FabParma | bob2: now my "/" is 20gb, the new hdd is 40gb, i hope to get a 60gb "/" |
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| 18:19.55 | FabParma | bob2: do you think is it possible? |
| 18:20.08 | stew | karsten: is there any reason you think they should hold on to 2.6.11 now that 2.6.12 is in etch? |
| 18:20.23 | bob2 | FabParma: no |
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| 18:20.36 | karsten | stew: NFC. |
| 18:20.37 | norbert_ | hi all; can anyone tell me how to fix this apt-error? "E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs" |
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| 18:20.51 | karsten | stew: I'm not used to source packages being pulled though. |
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| 18:21.02 | bob2 | norbert_: upgrade to sarge |
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| 18:21.16 | stew | FabParma: i guess you could make the 40gb a lvm and add the 20 to the lvm after you migrate all your data to the 40 |
| 18:21.17 | rosa2 | hola soy laura y soy de españa cordoba ¿y tu? |
| 18:21.31 | amphi | norbert_: you need to put that option in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:21.37 | antgel | !tell rosa2 about es |
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| 18:22.01 | amphi | norbert_: man apt.conf has an example that is easy to modify appropriately |
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| 18:22.01 | kombi | norbert_: do as bob2 says, just did the same and it worked |
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| 18:22.09 | antgel | amphi: why tell him to do something that the tool says is often bad? |
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| 18:22.34 | FabParma | stew: thank you stew, but unfortunatelly i am unable to menage lvm at the moment |
| 18:22.36 | petykoo | hi |
| 18:22.46 | norbert_ | kombi/amphi/bob2: thanks all; I'll try to change the sources.list and dist-upgrade to sarge |
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| 18:23.06 | stew | FabParma: then the best you could do would be to take a subtree of / and move it onto the 40, like all of / would be on the 20 but /home would be on the 40 |
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| 18:23.18 | kombi | isn`t there a package yet for php5? |
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| 18:23.56 | antgel | kombi: do you understand debian releases? |
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| 18:24.13 | FabParma | stew: thank you stew |
| 18:24.14 | stew | kombi: unstable only, so far |
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| 18:24.29 | kombi | antgel: maybe not.. stew: thanks! |
| 18:24.45 | stew | kombi: /msg dpkg php5 |
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| 18:24.56 | antgel | kombi: /msg dpkg grounding and www.debian.org/releases |
| 18:25.00 | kombi | this will be my first all debian box, so I`ll stick to 4 for the sake of that |
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| 18:25.22 | kombi | not even a patched kernel this time.. |
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| 18:27.35 | penguin_ | I have an all debian box but no openoffice database |
| 18:27.45 | penguin_ | Darn it |
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| 18:27.47 | bob2 | penguin_: so, ask in #debian-oo |
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| 18:27.56 | bob2 | where people who care about Debian and OO actually hang out |
| 18:28.00 | tenfo | is debian the most popular distro now? |
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| 18:28.10 | tenfo | i'm coming from freebsd, it can't support my new hardware.. hpefully debian does |
| 18:28.11 | kombi | I am just afraid I forget how to self compile.. |
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| 18:28.26 | antgel | tenfo: make sure. debian is not bleeding edge |
| 18:28.28 | kombi | tenfo: sure does.. |
| 18:28.39 | Manoj` | tenfo, not by a long shot. fedora core, or even ubuntu, are far more popular |
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| 18:28.47 | bob2 | tenfo: no one really knows how popular various distributions are |
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| 18:28.54 | antgel | kombi: hth do you know that debian supports his hardware?q |
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| 18:29.12 | Manoj` | tenfo, and Sid is pretty bleeding edge. which also means one bleeds once in a while running sid |
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| 18:29.24 | kombi | antgel: I don`t know of another distro that still supports sparc |
| 18:29.29 | penguin_ | Which one is testing now? |
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| 18:29.41 | tenfo | ok trying to install now :) |
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| 18:30.04 | bob2 | penguin_: etch |
| 18:30.08 | antgel | kombi: did i miss something? who mentioned sparc? |
| 18:30.11 | EfaistOs | did someone try to install linux on a medion pocketPC ? |
| 18:30.13 | antgel | !tell tenfo about grounding |
| 18:30.27 | antgel | !tell EfaistOs about someone |
| 18:30.35 | antgel | dpkg: i love you |
| 18:30.35 | dpkg | I love you too, antgel. |
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| 18:30.58 | kombi | I love him also, but who is he? |
| 18:31.21 | tenfo | just like i thought, didn't detect my harddrive.. dammit... going to take this piece of shit motherboard back :) |
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| 18:31.37 | antgel | tenfo: sata? linux26 at boot prompt |
| 18:31.49 | tenfo | sata yes, and i did type linux26 |
| 18:32.04 | antgel | !tell tenfo about custom netinst |
| 18:32.04 | kombi | tenfo: what kind of board? |
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| 18:32.11 | abrotman | tenfo: which controller ? |
| 18:32.13 | tenfo | Asus K8S-MX |
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| 18:32.15 | tenfo | SiS |
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| 18:32.25 | kombi | that must work! |
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| 18:32.40 | xoz | asus is linux-friendly :) |
| 18:32.42 | abrotman | tenfo: the SATA controller |
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| 18:35.19 | yang26 | With new kernel I dont get swap mounted... |
| 18:35.19 | tenfo | SIS5513: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:02.5 |
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| 18:36.14 | abrotman | tenfo: lspci | grep ATA |
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| 18:36.26 | woodland | i have a question. i just followed instructions at http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php to install kernel 2.6, at the end of the page author says,edit /etc/lilo.conf, but i cant find it |
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| 18:36.48 | woodland | also my laptop uses grub not lilo |
| 18:36.50 | tenfo | no lspci :( |
| 18:36.51 | Manoj` | woodland, you have /boo/grub/ ? |
| 18:36.52 | penguin_ | In case anyone is interested base is not part of OO 1.1 |
| 18:37.06 | woodland | manoj, yes i do have /boot/grub |
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| 18:37.14 | Manoj` | woodland, you need to run update-grub, most likely |
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| 18:37.27 | Manoj` | and then inspect /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:37.42 | woodland | ok, 'apt-get update-grub' ??? |
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| 18:37.47 | Manoj` | save a copy before you run the update, btw |
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| 18:38.09 | woodland | is that the command |
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| 18:38.15 | Manoj` | november, update-grub is installed by the grub package |
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| 18:38.49 | Manoj` | cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.save; update-grub |
| 18:38.59 | Manoj` | damn nick completion. |
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| 18:39.13 | Manoj` | No -- update-grub is installed by the grub package |
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| 18:39.24 | woodland | ok |
| 18:39.39 | antgel | tenfo: boot a knoppix cd. that'll give you lspci |
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| 18:41.04 | bjason | i'm trying to remember the command to clear my apt package cache |
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| 18:41.27 | antgel | bjason: apt-get clean (man apt-get |
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| 18:41.44 | bjason | antgel, koo...thanks! |
| 18:42.08 | stew | woodland: look in your /etc/kernel-img.conf you should have postinst_hook and postrm_hook that both point to /sbin/update-grub. if you do, then update-grub is run for you when you install the kernel .deb |
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| 18:49.16 | yang26 | I got trouble with new kernel I dont get swap mounted... |
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| 18:49.50 | stew | yang26: is your swap partition/file in /etc/fstab? |
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| 18:51.23 | jeanpijon | hello, I have some problem with setting up network under debian netinstall shell, may anybody help me? thx |
| 18:51.25 | yang26 | stew: yes, but cfdisk shows me Linux swap / Solaris ...? |
| 18:52.05 | stew | yang26: Linux swap / Solaris is correct. does "swapon -a" work? |
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| 18:52.43 | yang26 | swapon -a |
| 18:52.44 | yang26 | swapon: /dev/hda2: Invalid argument |
| 18:52.50 | priest | yang26:: Is it a debian stock kernel you upgraded with? |
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| 18:53.01 | yang26 | yes 2.6.8-386 |
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| 18:53.33 | stew | yang26: is this a new swap partition? did you mkswap /dev/hda2? |
| 18:53.50 | stew | yang26: (and don't do that now if you are not positive that its actually your swap partition) |
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| 18:54.46 | yang26 | stew: it mounted correctly before with old kernel, i can retry the old boot to be sure |
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| 18:55.44 | yang26 | lilo stops with "shift" ? |
| 18:55.51 | abrotman | it shows a prompt |
| 18:55.53 | stew | yeah |
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| 18:58.07 | yang26 | it mounts correctly with the old kernel 2.2 |
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| 18:58.46 | Razorx | hello, i'm getting an error while trying to apt-get update |
| 18:58.55 | Razorx | http://pastebin.com/365753 < that's it |
| 18:58.58 | Manoj` | Razorx, what kinda error? |
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| 18:59.11 | Razorx | see the link |
| 18:59.38 | Manoj` | Razorx, do a df -H |
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| 18:59.46 | Razorx | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 18:59.46 | Razorx | /dev/hdd1 30G 17G 12G 60% / |
| 18:59.48 | Manoj` | and look at how much space you have in /var |
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| 19:00.07 | Razorx | I don't have a special partition for /var |
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| 19:00.24 | bahadir_d | how can i uninstall Gnome with all packages? |
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| 19:00.40 | js_ | how do i clear the faulty state of a drive thats part of an md device? |
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| 19:01.22 | Manoj` | Razorx, I see. you seem to have pleanty of space ... however, you did not need the update, since there was nothing new to download |
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| 19:01.46 | Manoj` | Razorx, so you have no new packages. but the file size limit is something that is of concern |
| 19:01.54 | Razorx | Manoj`: can't install nothing |
| 19:01.59 | Razorx | same error accours |
| 19:02.12 | Manoj` | is your / mounted readonly? |
| 19:02.18 | Razorx | no |
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| 19:02.38 | Razorx | other stuff works |
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| 19:02.42 | Razorx | only this doesn't |
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| 19:03.00 | Manoj` | and this is all, of course, being done as root |
| 19:03.12 | Razorx | yes |
| 19:03.20 | abrotman | Manoj`: you don't know the last time he updated .. oculd have been weeks ago |
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| 19:03.49 | karma_ | Hello! I need advice on software: i need prog that acts like "tail -f", but colourful and can work with multiple files simultaneously |
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| 19:04.00 | stew | this couldn't be some new form of a dynamic mmap out of room or anything, could it? |
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| 19:04.06 | caphuso | and "oh, that won't happen anyway" is not an appropriate fix for a race condition |
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| 19:04.12 | abrotman | though the lack of downloading any Packages file would indicate it was recent |
| 19:04.18 | Razorx | dynamic mmap also appeared |
| 19:04.23 | Razorx | but I'd managed it |
| 19:04.27 | Manoj` | abrotman, from the link, apt only has a problem at the end, but it hit all the sources (nothink required when he ran the command) |
| 19:04.36 | stew | Razorx: do you have a huge number of sources in your sources.list? |
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| 19:04.39 | abrotman | Manoj`: which i just said :0 |
| 19:04.41 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:04.46 | Manoj` | abrotman, seems like he ran the command pretty recently , so there do not seem tobe any new Packages files |
| 19:04.53 | Razorx | stew: deleted all, only left one |
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| 19:04.57 | abrotman | though .. why doesn't he have a normal source? |
| 19:04.59 | Manoj` | abrotman, oh, right |
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| 19:05.21 | Razorx | normal source ? |
| 19:05.22 | Manoj` | well, stable is not being updated, so that is ok too |
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| 19:05.43 | Razorx | well, it doesn't matter which source I use |
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| 19:06.10 | GladeGal | I want to upgrade Cacti (version used in Sarge) to the newer Cacti version in testing. Can anyone tell me how I can do this alone with it's dependency? |
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| 19:06.31 | Gnea | !tell GladeGal about backports |
| 19:06.38 | Manoj` | Razorx, so apt-get is unable to write to the fs, for some reason |
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| 19:07.11 | stew | GladeGal: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:07.16 | Razorx | Manoj`: I also did ltrace -S |
| 19:07.19 | fatalerror | helix: hi there =) |
| 19:07.25 | Razorx | just a sec |
| 19:07.28 | m2 | Razorx: do you have duplicated entries in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:07.39 | m2 | Razorx: can you paste your sources.list to the paste bin? |
| 19:07.45 | Razorx | m2: no |
| 19:07.46 | Manoj` | yey, helix |
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| 19:07.48 | Razorx | 2. I can |
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| 19:08.03 | helix | hrm, what's the best method of transportation for a 1gb file? |
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| 19:08.18 | Razorx | sources: http://pastebin.com/365760 |
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| 19:08.30 | Orph|CEN | hey guys |
| 19:08.41 | Orph|CEN | i have a problem when i do startx |
| 19:08.44 | anarcat | hmpppf |
| 19:08.51 | Razorx | last few lines of ltrace -S: http://pastebin.com/365763 |
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| 19:08.53 | Manoj` | helix, minimum overhead, so choose a low end protocol |
| 19:08.56 | anarcat | i have a problem with gnome in testing |
| 19:09.01 | helix | Manoj`: such as? |
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| 19:09.04 | Manoj` | helix, ftp is pretty minimal |
| 19:09.07 | fatalerror | anarcat: please, describe it |
| 19:09.09 | helix | yeah |
| 19:09.12 | stew | helix: fedex a usb key |
| 19:09.17 | Manoj` | helix, if you do not need encyption in transit |
| 19:09.18 | anarcat | fatalerror, sorry, latency here :) |
| 19:09.18 | fatalerror | Orph|CEN: you too, describe it, otherwise we can't help =) |
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| 19:09.21 | helix | stew: I just need to take it hom |
| 19:09.22 | helix | e |
| 19:09.24 | m2 | Razorx: try commenting out line 2. |
| 19:09.31 | stew | helix: usbkey in your packet then |
| 19:09.31 | Orph|CEN | xinit: no such file or directory(errno 2) unable to connect to X server |
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| 19:09.39 | helix | I don't have a 1gb usbkey |
| 19:09.41 | anarcat | gnome-desktop-environment depends on sound-juicer (>= 2.10.1) (NOT AVAILABLE) |
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| 19:09.47 | Razorx | m2: same error |
| 19:09.51 | Orph|CEN | xxinit: no usch process (errno 3) server rror |
| 19:09.51 | helix | I guess ftp/scp will work |
| 19:09.53 | fatalerror | anarcat: it's broken, sorry =( |
| 19:09.57 | anarcat | if i try to install anything through aptitude, it deinstalls the whole gnome suite |
| 19:10.01 | fatalerror | anarcat: just wait for a new version of meta-gnome2 to hit testing |
| 19:10.03 | anarcat | just what I thougth |
| 19:10.03 | helix | how long does it take to upload 1gb, I wonder |
| 19:10.06 | abrotman | anarcat: etch/sid ? |
| 19:10.06 | anarcat | sweet |
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| 19:10.09 | anarcat | etch |
| 19:10.09 | m2 | helix: split -b 256M yourfile.foo yourfile.foo. |
| 19:10.17 | anarcat | any eta on that? |
| 19:10.17 | Manoj` | helix, depends on your pipe, no? |
| 19:10.23 | abrotman | anarcat: the package 'gnome' is a metapackage .. no real cause for concern |
| 19:10.26 | fatalerror | or rather, it's already there, anarcat |
| 19:10.33 | anarcat | there? |
| 19:10.38 | fatalerror | anarcat: just aptitude update and upgrade it =) |
| 19:10.38 | anarcat | i don't see it on my mirror |
| 19:10.46 | helix | Manoj`: pipe's not that fat |
| 19:10.54 | anarcat | nothing to upgrade here... |
| 19:11.01 | anarcat | i'm using the peer1 mirror |
| 19:11.04 | fatalerror | this is what packages.qa.debian.org tells me, at least |
| 19:11.07 | fatalerror | Testing 1:2.10.2.3 |
| 19:11.08 | fatalerror | Unstable 1:2.10.2.3 |
| 19:11.17 | m2 | Razorx: hmm... the other day someone was telling me about a similar problem (not the same) and it turned out there's a bug in apt that shows up when you have duplicated entries in sources.list |
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| 19:11.19 | fatalerror | anarcat: well, just wait some time or change mirror, then, heh |
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| 19:11.36 | anarcat | so the package name is meta-gnome2É |
| 19:11.37 | anarcat | ? |
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| 19:11.44 | fatalerror | anarcat: the source package name, yes |
| 19:11.45 | Razorx | m2: well, I don't |
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| 19:11.59 | helix | minus the e-acute |
| 19:12.02 | fatalerror | anarcat: the binary packages, aka. .deb's, are only gnome, gnome-office, gnome-desktop-environment, gnome-core and so on |
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| 19:12.10 | anarcat | right |
| 19:12.11 | anarcat | ok |
| 19:12.14 | anarcat | i got .1 here |
| 19:12.16 | anarcat | not .3 |
| 19:12.20 | anarcat | mirror's prolly not synced |
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| 19:12.28 | fatalerror | yeah, your mirror's got sync problems =) |
| 19:12.32 | Razorx | m2: it worked till now; i'd updated last week and it worked, bot now it doesn't |
| 19:13.05 | Orph|CEN | anyone know my problem? i used apt-get install kde |
| 19:13.10 | Orph|CEN | xinit: no such file or directory(errno 2) unable to connect to X server |
| 19:13.11 | anarcat | it's blazingly fast though :) |
| 19:13.12 | Orph|CEN | xxinit: no usch process (errno 3) server rror |
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| 19:13.27 | stew | Orph|CEN: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 19:14.14 | Manoj` | Razorx, I am stymied. I have no idea what it could be if the FS is read write |
| 19:14.20 | Orph|CEN | then stew ? |
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| 19:14.27 | tenfo | abrotman, knoppix won't boot :( ... oh well i'll go get that gigabyte board and try that |
| 19:14.30 | Orph|CEN | then startx should work? |
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| 19:14.37 | tenfo | surprised this asus board has problems across the board.. freebsd/debian/knoppix |
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| 19:14.44 | abrotman | tenfo: won't boot why? |
| 19:14.45 | anarcat | ijay |
| 19:14.46 | anarcat | okay |
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| 19:14.52 | abrotman | tenfo: lspci | grep ATA |
| 19:14.52 | anarcat | fatalerror, abrotman, thanks |
| 19:14.54 | anarcat | fixed |
| 19:14.55 | Manoj` | Razorx, you could try saving /var/lib/apt, /var/cache/apt someplace safe, removing all the files in both those directories, and running apt-get update again. |
| 19:14.59 | abrotman | ok |
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| 19:15.12 | fatalerror | anarcat: =) |
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| 19:15.18 | yang26 | stew: you know the problem? swap mount with the old kernel |
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| 19:15.57 | tenfo | abrotman, says ... hdb: irc timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy} ... ide: failed opcode was: unknown ... hdb: atapi reset complete... and then goes into a cycle where it does... send_requirest: i/o error, dev hdb, sector 1376008 ... irc timeout, failed opcode, apatapi reset, failed opcode, atapi reset,..... |
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| 19:16.31 | abrotman | tenfo: you tried the sarge netinst and a 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 19:17.00 | tenfo | no, but at this point i think i'm gonna try gigabyte and realtek .. are realtek's more supported chipsets than SiS ? |
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| 19:17.17 | stew | Razorx: if you do that, only remove the files from /var/cache/apt, not the directories themselves |
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| 19:17.33 | kombi | now, here's the first pitfall while keeping this box entirely debian: it only sees 1Gig of ram while there are 1,5.. |
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| 19:18.02 | stew | yang26: i'm not sure. i'd try running mkswap on it again, but that's really just a stab in the dark |
| 19:18.03 | kombi | I`m afraid I`ll have to patch that kernel now.. |
| 19:18.04 | Mr-R | tenfo: via-chipsets are quite okay, in my opinion. |
| 19:18.15 | caphuso | kombi: no. just reconfigure and recompile |
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| 19:18.20 | Razorx | stew: no, doesn't work |
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| 19:18.38 | Razorx | but it it's strange |
| 19:18.43 | Razorx | Get:22 ftp://ftp.arnes.si experimental/non-free Packages |
| 19:18.43 | Razorx | Ign ftp://ftp.arnes.si experimental/non-free Packages |
| 19:18.50 | kombi | caphuso: yeah? how do? |
| 19:19.01 | Razorx | I get an ignore for every repos. |
| 19:19.01 | kombi | make menuconfig? |
| 19:19.08 | stew | Razorx: are you trying to mix stable and experimental? oh buy |
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| 19:19.14 | stew | boy rather |
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| 19:19.33 | Mortalman | Is there an fdisk log? I want to see if the system was shutdown cleanly. |
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| 19:20.20 | kombi | caphuso: Is there a debian way to that or do you make menuconfig, make bzimage make install? |
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| 19:21.42 | stew | kombi: /msg dpkg kp ; /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 19:22.01 | kombi | mantra even.. |
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| 19:22.38 | stew | Mortalman: fdisk log? no, you can see if the system shutdown cleanly though by looking at /var/log/messages , you would see somehting like exiting on signal 15 |
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| 19:23.04 | soyuz | good afternoon all! |
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| 19:23.12 | Mortalman | stew: signal 15 = good ? |
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| 19:23.31 | Manoj` | Razorx, is there anything else in /etc/apt/ apart fropm sources.list? |
| 19:23.42 | stew | Mortalman: thats what i get in my /var/log/messages on a clean shutdown |
| 19:24.11 | sebo | Hi! What is script name, which changes grub password?? Something like 'grub-passwd' etc but I can't find it :] << Have I missed some letters or made other speling mestake?? |
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| 19:24.37 | soyuz | is there a way to take control of a remote terminal so that it runs on the local console? for example take control of pts/X and run it on ttyN ?? |
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| 19:25.02 | Mortalman | soyuz: man screen |
| 19:25.02 | Razorx | Manoj`: apt.conf* apt.conf.d/ sources.list |
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| 19:25.24 | Luk3 | i have a problem with a new debian installation, i can't find the module to install the ethernet adapter, it's the one integrated with the nforce4 chipset |
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| 19:26.04 | Manoj` | Razorx, anything in apt.conf that may tell it not to write somewhere? |
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| 19:26.11 | soyuz | Mortalman: I thought screen was good only for sessions initiated from screen... or am I mistaken |
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| 19:26.23 | Hary74656 | hi can somebody help me? i hae problems to start the graphics user interface after a fresh install of debian |
| 19:26.26 | Razorx | Manoj`: no, only issue for mmap |
| 19:26.43 | Razorx | (cache limit) |
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| 19:27.15 | Mortalman | soyuz: I use screen to start my Quake3 server and can view its console by logging back in and using screen. |
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| 19:27.31 | Manoj` | Razorx, right, I have that too. |
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| 19:27.31 | Mortalman | soyuz: Other than that I don't know anything about it. |
| 19:27.35 | stew | Razorx: have you tried stracing it? |
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| 19:27.48 | Manoj` | Razorx, I hate to say this, but have you tried rebooting? |
| 19:27.51 | Hary74656 | help please |
| 19:28.00 | Luk3 | what module should i choose to install the integrated ethernet adapter for an nforce 4 |
| 19:28.05 | Razorx | stew: stracing ? |
| 19:28.06 | Luk3 | a nforce4* |
| 19:28.08 | Razorx | Manoj`: no |
| 19:28.21 | Manoj` | Hary74656, look into /var/log/X.log to see what went wrong |
| 19:28.27 | stew | Razorx: strace -o /tmp/dpkg.log apt-get update |
| 19:28.29 | sebo | How can I change (--md5) at GRUB boot loader?? |
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| 19:28.49 | Manoj` | Razorx, well that is the cop out of the last resort -- but try rebooting and see if anything changes |
| 19:28.53 | Gnea | !tell Hary74656 about ask |
| 19:28.59 | Hary74656 | tells me file not found |
| 19:29.00 | Razorx | stew: works now ! |
| 19:29.11 | soyuz | Mortalman: seems that it refers to detached screen processes... |
| 19:29.12 | Mortalman | soyuz: Did I mention I start the Quake3 server from SSH? hehe |
| 19:29.18 | stew | Razorx: then /tmp/dpkg.log will contain a list of all the system calls, look for where it dumps the error message and look up to see if you can figure out what file its trying to access at the time |
| 19:29.24 | jlawrenc | Question - I have 4 computers I"d like to run in the same basic configuration - has anyone come up with a good strategy to make this easy to manage - pointers? |
| 19:29.26 | yang26 | !beer stew |
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| 19:29.36 | Manoj` | Razorx, whew |
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| 19:29.42 | Luk3 | bah |
| 19:29.44 | soyuz | cripes, haven't played quake for about four years |
| 19:29.47 | stew | Razorx: what fixed it? |
| 19:29.57 | sebo | I mean: How can I change password (--md5) at GRUB boot loader?? |
| 19:29.57 | Razorx | yeah, but only when starting with this |
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| 19:29.59 | Razorx | strace .. :D |
| 19:30.08 | stew | oh gee |
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| 19:30.21 | kombi | got kernel-package and build-essential, do I still need kernel-sources? |
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| 19:30.36 | Razorx | eh, doesn't work :) |
| 19:30.38 | Mortalman | soyuz: Yeah, I think you have to tell screen to launch a program(possibly sh) and have it export it to the background, then you can login later and run screen -r toview it. |
| 19:30.44 | stew | kombi: you will use kernel-package and build-essential to build a kenrel-source, so yes |
| 19:31.21 | kombi | stew: make-kpkg says it wants to be run in a kernel source dir, where is that? |
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| 19:31.40 | Manoj` | kombi, err, I stronly suggest you read on of the howtos (or, at leasr, /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README) before going further |
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| 19:32.13 | stew | kombi: when you install a kenrel-source package it puts a .tar.bz2, unpack that source, and cd to the directory and yeah, read the README :) |
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| 19:32.21 | oli123 | hi |
| 19:32.28 | Mortalman | soyuz: e.g. screen -m -s [your_program] then to get it back screen -r |
| 19:32.44 | Gnea | Hary74656: please follow channel directions, no one's going to help you if you sit there and just say 'help' |
| 19:32.44 | kombi | Manoj/stew: will do, thx! |
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| 19:33.04 | soyuz | hrmmm.. |
| 19:33.07 | Hary74656 | dpkg doesnt answear |
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| 19:33.16 | Manoj` | Razorx, that is so shitty. the very worst kind of hiesenberg |
| 19:33.18 | Gnea | right. |
| 19:33.22 | oli123 | some ati freaks here? |
| 19:33.33 | Gnea | direct it to the channel, not to a private message, and not to a bot. |
| 19:33.47 | Gnea | !tell Hary74656 about rules |
| 19:33.56 | Hary74656 | the path specifyd before some minutes didnt work |
| 19:34.07 | Gnea | that means nothing. |
| 19:34.12 | Gnea | nothing at all. |
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| 19:35.40 | Hary74656 | my english is not the best and in the newsgroups a cant find a working command for starting installing or reinstall kde |
| 19:35.56 | Gnea | your english is just fine, don't use that as an excuse. |
| 19:36.24 | Gnea | you simply have to say what you're using |
| 19:36.31 | Hary74656 | ok |
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| 19:36.46 | Gnea | "my X isn't working and it tells me it's not working" <-- well duh |
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| 19:36.54 | Hary74656 | debian 3.1 r0a |
| 19:37.16 | Gnea | "kde isn't starting with i type startx and X returns to the commandline" <-- informative |
| 19:37.19 | Hary74656 | installed from dvd images |
| 19:37.33 | Gnea | so you have sarge installed, good |
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| 19:37.47 | Hary74656 | yes |
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| 19:38.02 | Gnea | you still haven't stated how you're trying to load X |
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| 19:38.29 | Hary74656 | i tried verry much commands describet in some sites and groups |
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| 19:38.52 | Razorx | hm http://pastebin.com/365798 |
| 19:39.02 | Hary74656 | im new @ linux so i dont know what im doing wrong |
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| 19:39.20 | Gnea | you're not stating what commands you tried |
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| 19:39.31 | Gnea | i didn't read those sites, so i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 19:39.34 | carbon60 | I'm having some DHCP troubles. Anyone know why, after giving up on getting a lease, dhclient seems to bring down the interface? |
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| 19:39.45 | carbon60 | dhclient: receive_packet failed on eth1.5: Network is down |
| 19:39.51 | Hary74656 | i saw startx but tells me command not found |
| 19:39.57 | carbon60 | And sure enough, ip link show is missing the UP. |
| 19:40.07 | Hary74656 | for example |
| 19:40.09 | Gnea | carbon60: dhclient sucks, apt-get install pump && apt-get remove dhcp-client, make sure dhclient is out of the process list too |
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| 19:40.27 | carbon60 | Gnea: Really? It's the default client though... |
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| 19:40.36 | Gnea | carbon60: really. |
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| 19:40.56 | Gnea | carbon60: pump is easier to diagnose |
| 19:41.08 | carbon60 | This router was working fine for a year before the provider went down for a couple of hours. |
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| 19:41.14 | Hary74656 | im loget on as root and haf the console here, what i have to type in normal case to start kde? |
| 19:41.18 | Gnea | yeah, it happens |
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| 19:41.23 | fando | help, where are the keybindings for F1 defined? i have gnome2.10 installed (it launches yelp and I don't want it) |
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| 19:41.37 | Razorx | Manoj`: http://pastebin.com/365798 |
| 19:41.47 | fando | the gconf doesn't list an F1 keybinding, so whre else could it be defined? |
| 19:42.28 | Gnea | Razorx: that's aptitude? |
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| 19:42.53 | Gnea | !tell fando about #gnome |
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| 19:43.03 | fando | i already asked #gnome |
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| 19:43.12 | Razorx | Gnea: apt-get update |
| 19:43.13 | Gnea | what about #gnome-debian? |
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| 19:43.19 | fando | hm, i'll try that |
| 19:43.25 | Gnea | fanoh wait, did you read what dpkg said? |
| 19:43.28 | Gnea | :P |
| 19:43.30 | fando | yes |
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| 19:43.37 | Eno_ | is blackdown jdk open source? if so, why isn't it in debian? |
| 19:43.40 | Manoj` | read(5, "400 URI Failure\nURI: ftp://ftp.a"..., 64000) = 241 |
| 19:44.22 | Gnea | there was a blowjob here the whole time and i missed it.... damn |
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| 19:44.44 | Kernel-Kris | Gnea, who was gettin a BJ |
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| 19:45.01 | Hary74656 | Mr-R oh cool it starts the installation! |
| 19:45.14 | veleno | anyone here did a debian package of the breakurl latex package ? |
| 19:45.16 | Manoj` | Razorx, it seems to be an issue in: unlink("/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin") |
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| 19:45.53 | Gnea | Kernel-Kris: dunno |
| 19:45.54 | Razorx | Manoj`: file does not exist |
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| 19:46.07 | DEbian_testing | Hi! |
| 19:46.53 | Razorx | brb, changing client |
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| 19:47.46 | dupondje | hi guys, i just installed ftpd, but i get connection refused when i try to connect, any id what i set wrong ? or what i need to set |
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| 19:48.06 | lakcaj | Eno_, I think blackdown used to be very open, but that this has changed. |
| 19:48.13 | Gnea | dupondje: ftpd? |
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| 19:48.26 | dupondje | yea |
| 19:48.30 | dupondje | apt-get install ftpd :;) |
| 19:48.37 | Gnea | dupondje: no idea, i use proftpd |
| 19:48.59 | lakcaj | !tell Eno_ about get-blackdown |
| 19:49.06 | Trev1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:49.23 | Manoj` | Razorx, well, creating that file is when it gets the error |
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| 19:49.39 | Razorx | hm |
| 19:49.44 | Eno_ | lakcaj: i use sun java. it was only a curiosity |
| 19:50.01 | Eno_ | lakcaj: someone told me that it was free |
| 19:50.03 | Razorx | Manoj`, don't know why would it be a problem to create this file |
| 19:50.19 | Razorx | the directory is writable |
| 19:50.26 | Manoj` | Razorx, can you touch that file and try again? |
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| 19:50.39 | Razorx | Manoj`, did it allready |
| 19:50.41 | carbon60 | Gnea: Know how to tell pump not to screw with default router? |
| 19:50.44 | Razorx | same error |
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| 19:51.06 | Dackel | hello |
| 19:51.16 | Manoj` | Hmm. I think you have enough data for a bug report, and to get the apt authors into this dicsussion |
| 19:51.21 | DEbian_testing | Hi! Dackel |
| 19:51.22 | vca | i'm looking for information on how to create what i believe is a metapkg or a "package collection"? basically i want a deb that contains nothing but a bunch of dependencies so i can put it on my repository and do "apt-get $collection". any hints? |
| 19:51.41 | Dackel | the gdm starts only sometimes |
| 19:51.42 | Manoj` | vca, look for the package equivs |
| 19:51.43 | vca | *apt-get install $collection rather |
| 19:51.47 | vca | Manoj`: t/y |
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| 19:52.08 | Dackel | it start and it doesn't start |
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| 19:52.23 | petykoo | bye |
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| 19:52.56 | vca | Manoj`: perfect. thanks so much =) |
| 19:52.59 | Gnea | carbon60: i believe it's an /etc/pump.conf thing, you'll need to read the manpage and generate one |
| 19:52.59 | yang26 | What is the apm daemon package called? for baterry in laptops? |
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| 19:53.07 | abrotman | Manoj`: that's not equivs i don't think |
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| 19:53.19 | carbon60 | Gnea: /etc/pump.conf will get used by default under Sarge? |
| 19:53.22 | vca | equivs - This package provides a tool to create Debian packages that only contain dependency information. |
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| 19:53.29 | Gnea | carbon60: if it exists, yes |
| 19:53.34 | carbon60 | Gnea: Problem is, if it sets a default router I'll lose my connection to that system. |
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| 19:53.55 | Gnea | carbon60: but you're grabbing an ip via dhcp, the dhcp server is supposed to set the route |
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| 19:54.39 | MrBallZ | question: I just installed the Nvidia drivers , and everything went fine, the installer compiled them for my kernel, when I go to reconfigure the xserver-sfree86, I set the resolution to 1024x768 as the minimum , but when I go to X , the maximum i have is 800x600 what can I do ??? |
| 19:54.43 | Gnea | carbon60: but i'm sure there's a way to call a script from the config file to make it use a different route |
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| 19:54.51 | carbon60 | Gnea: Not in this case, the system has 30 networks connected to it. |
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| 19:55.01 | Dackel | can anybody help me, it hate the console |
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| 19:55.10 | Gnea | carbon60: cool |
| 19:55.11 | sarshao | Dackel, ? |
| 19:55.42 | Dackel | my gdm only starts sometimes (bad english) |
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| 19:56.53 | sarshao | Dackel, you must isn't on debian |
| 19:57.04 | abrotman | what? |
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| 19:57.32 | sarshao | Dackel, madriva? fedora? |
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| 19:57.37 | dupondje | where does lvm store config ? cause my root hdd died, and i want to make i can use my lvm after reinstall :) |
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| 20:00.20 | martman | can anyone tell me why i keep getting |
| 20:00.21 | martman | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential packag. |
| 20:00.21 | martman | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 20:00.21 | martman | E: Failed to process build dependencies |
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| 20:00.27 | Zweideutig | Heh |
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| 20:01.05 | drp | I'm having the same problem as martman |
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| 20:01.23 | martman | drp testing too? |
| 20:01.33 | martman | just did a netinstall and always seem to get that now |
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| 20:01.50 | drp | I don't always get that error though |
| 20:02.04 | drp | only when I try to install certain packages |
| 20:02.22 | martman | well, yeah, same here....just seems to be abunch of those |
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| 20:02.45 | dli_ | what's the replacement in xorg for "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ? for xorg |
| 20:03.13 | fatalerror | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 20:03.16 | fatalerror | heh |
| 20:03.18 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 20:03.21 | Shadowcat | that wasa nobrainer |
| 20:03.25 | Shadowcat | was a* |
| 20:03.31 | Shadowcat | it's dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 20:03.35 | Manoj` | abrotman, well, equivs description does mention the use case vca was looking for, so it can't be too far off |
| 20:03.37 | Shadowcat | dpkg-reconfigure fatalerror |
| 20:03.39 | Shadowcat | for example |
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| 20:03.59 | fatalerror | am I a package? |
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| 20:04.07 | goron | What is the best C3D viewer? |
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| 20:05.00 | CrocoJet | how can i open one .iso (i would like use File Roller, if possible) ? |
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| 20:05.10 | carbon60 | Gnea: pump just says "operation failed". |
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| 20:05.19 | carbon60 | Can it be made verbose? |
| 20:05.31 | fatalerror | pump is old and deprecated, isn't it? |
| 20:05.46 | carbon60 | ?!? |
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| 20:05.54 | abrotman | Manoj`: okeedokee |
| 20:05.56 | CrocoJet | hey fatalerror do you have any guidelines ? |
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| 20:06.03 | fatalerror | CrocoJet: guidelines for what? |
| 20:06.09 | CrocoJet | how can i open one .iso (i would like use File Roller, if possible) ? |
| 20:06.11 | carbon60 | fatalerror: Gnea was saying the oposite. I'm having a DHCP issue. |
| 20:06.17 | pizux | quelqu'un a til un triway v2? |
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| 20:06.29 | fatalerror | carbon60: I'm not quite sure, but that's what I vaguely remember having read when I last needed it |
| 20:06.42 | fatalerror | because it's the only one I found with support for lease releasing, hehe |
| 20:06.55 | carbon60 | Ah. |
| 20:07.02 | CrocoJet | and ... |
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| 20:07.05 | CrocoJet | anyone |
| 20:07.13 | fatalerror | CrocoJet: mount it |
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| 20:07.26 | CrocoJet | fstab ? |
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| 20:07.34 | fatalerror | CrocoJet: mount -o loop file.iso /whichever/mount/point/you/prefer |
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| 20:07.42 | CrocoJet | ok |
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| 20:07.44 | CrocoJet | thanks |
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| 20:08.12 | tcsetattr | CrocoJet, try to ask again without using the word "open". You appear to be using the word in its Microsoft-inspired sense, in which it means "Make the computer read my mind and do what I want with this file". That's not what it means here. |
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| 20:08.44 | tcsetattr | ok, then in this case "open" means "mount"... see what I mean? :) |
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| 20:09.33 | nkuttler | pizux: #debian-fr |
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| 20:10.52 | abrotman | !tell x00t about away |
| 20:11.15 | carbon60 | !tell carbon60 about away |
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| 20:12.21 | greycat | I guess carbon-60 isn't a very stable isotope |
| 20:12.34 | streuner | hehe :-) |
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| 20:12.40 | paulswm | HAHA |
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| 20:13.26 | Yulia | Hi.. |
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| 20:13.54 | paulswm | :( |
| 20:14.04 | paulswm | !singlishsmite scarynetworkguy |
| 20:14.05 | dpkg | scarynetworkguy: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
| 20:14.11 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: are the language/politeness police still here/active? |
| 20:14.21 | abrotman | greycat: some of them yes |
| 20:14.24 | abrotman | and there are lurkers |
| 20:14.34 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Hehe. Long story short yes. :) |
| 20:14.36 | abrotman | not really active .. but watching .. always watching .. like we are children! |
| 20:14.43 | paulswm | greycat: Yes, look out for the black leather overcoats |
| 20:14.48 | antgel | abrotman: I SAW THAT |
| 20:14.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:15.06 | greycat | paulswm: I'm more worried about the black sunglasses and earbuds. |
| 20:15.25 | paulswm | greycat: Heh, and the talking into wrists :) |
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| 20:15.44 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: abrotman, paulswm, and I were just having a long convo with one. |
| 20:15.47 | abrotman | "What funny dog poo" |
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| 20:16.34 | abrotman | NOONE GETS MY JOKES! /me sulks |
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| 20:17.22 | Yulia | Anody have compiled glimmer? -->http://pastebin.com/365827 |
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| 20:17.37 | greycat | Yulia: assume we haven't, and just tell us the problem. |
| 20:17.56 | Yulia | :) |
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| 20:18.57 | abrotman | Yulia: /msg dpkg search .. you want gnome-lib-dev .. i'm guesing |
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| 20:19.22 | abrotman | so close |
| 20:19.24 | Yulia | abrotman, i use kde, |
| 20:19.28 | abrotman | !find gnomeConf.sh sarge |
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| 20:19.33 | VivekVC | even though i have purged apache2 and apache with apt-get --purge remove apache2 and apache, when i do a ps aux | grep apache and apache2 i get processes running, how could this be possible ? |
| 20:19.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gnomeConf.sh' (1): (/usr/lib/gnomeConf.sh) in libdevel/libgnome-dev. |
| 20:19.35 | abrotman | Yulia: you still need this package ^^ |
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| 20:19.59 | abrotman | Yulia: but why not use the package ? |
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| 20:20.15 | antgel | VivekVC: zombiews? |
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| 20:20.35 | VivekVC | antgel: ok, how do i fix it ? |
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| 20:21.03 | Yulia | abrotman, i cant see it with my sources: E: Couldn't find package glimmer |
| 20:21.15 | antgel | VivekVC: try to kill them. if you can't they're zombies |
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| 20:21.35 | vca | if they're zombies, they should show up with Z in ps |
| 20:21.48 | VivekVC | antgel: what is a zombie ? |
| 20:21.52 | kuru | I'm running into a really weird problem with mysql-server. I have Debian Etch here.. and I installed mysql-server |
| 20:21.56 | streuner | !zombie |
| 20:21.56 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 20:21.59 | abrotman | Yulia: it's there |
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| 20:22.02 | kuru | but it doesn't seem to want to configure properly.. |
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| 20:22.22 | kuru | it bails out with: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 20:22.28 | kuru | any ideas? |
| 20:22.29 | Yulia | abrotman, not in my souce.list |
| 20:22.33 | antgel | !btssmite kuru |
| 20:22.54 | kuru | ah.. alrighty then |
| 20:22.57 | antgel | perhaps we should change chainsaw to rubber chicken?q |
| 20:23.11 | VivekVC | antgel: i tried killing them i cant. So it's not a problem right ? |
| 20:23.25 | stew | kuru: is mysql-server started? |
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| 20:23.30 | VivekVC | i tried chkrootkit, i don't think i am rooted or something... |
| 20:23.31 | stew | kuru: does the socket exist? |
| 20:23.35 | antgel | VivekVC: they're zombies. whether that is a problem is up to you to decide |
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| 20:23.37 | greycat | antgel: in a kindler, gentler #debian, the chainsaw will not be running. |
| 20:23.45 | antgel | stew: it's in the bts afaik |
| 20:23.46 | kuru | stew: no, it doesn't start and the socket does not exist |
| 20:23.47 | abrotman | Yulia: what are your sources pointing at? |
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| 20:23.55 | abrotman | Yulia: paste your sources at pastebin.ca |
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| 20:24.11 | antgel | greycat: actually, it doesn't say that the chainsaw is switched on. the factoid stays! |
| 20:24.16 | VivekVC | antgel: can zombies be problem at time according to you ? |
| 20:24.19 | stew | at0m|c: bug #? |
| 20:24.22 | VivekVC | times* |
| 20:24.24 | stew | err antgel ^^^ |
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| 20:24.41 | greycat | VivekVC: only if they never go away, and clog up the process table with thousands of corpses |
| 20:24.46 | antgel | VivekVC: i tend not to care about such things |
| 20:24.47 | greycat | VivekVC: that's *rare*. |
| 20:25.09 | Yulia | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/365838 |
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| 20:25.26 | VivekVC | antgel and greycat: Thanks |
| 20:25.28 | abrotman | Yulia: apt-get update;apt-cache search glimmer |
| 20:25.31 | abrotman | !info glimmer etch |
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| 20:25.56 | abrotman | Yulia: ok .. you win .. it's not in etch right now . either try the package from sarge or sid .. pick your poison |
| 20:26.05 | stew | kuru: run /usr/sbin/mysqld in a shell and see if you get an error message |
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| 20:26.21 | antgel | stew: don't remember. 320988? |
| 20:26.23 | abrotman | Yulia: i'd try the one from sarge first |
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| 20:26.34 | antgel | kuru: apt-cache policy mysql-server |
| 20:26.47 | kuru | stew: it's ok.. i can see there are some serious issues involved with it at the time |
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| 20:26.55 | Yulia | abrotman, only gives me tigr-glimmer - [Biology] Gene detection in archea and bacteria |
| 20:26.59 | VivekVC | btw chkrootkit shows 2 infected ports 1524 and 31337, it says bindshell infected ports and displays those 2 port numbers. |
| 20:26.59 | stew | kuru: what version of mysql-server? |
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| 20:27.06 | Yulia | but not glimmer i want |
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| 20:27.16 | abrotman | Yulia: you don't want glimmer ? |
| 20:27.21 | kuru | stew: 4.1.. upgraded to 5.0 for now |
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| 20:27.32 | Yulia | abrotman, yes...glimmer php editor. |
| 20:27.41 | antgel | !info mysql-server etch |
| 20:27.45 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10 (etch), Packaged size: 3559 kB, Installed size: 8604 kB |
| 20:27.46 | abrotman | Yulia: get it from sarge ... |
| 20:27.47 | stew | kuru: 4.1 should be working in etch, the bug that antgel is talking about is a mysql-server-4.0 bug |
| 20:27.55 | RevolutionOs | hi boys |
| 20:28.01 | antgel | stew: ^^ |
| 20:28.01 | abrotman | Yulia: packages.debian.org/glimmer |
| 20:28.03 | RevolutionOs | look this http://pastebin.ca/23138 |
| 20:28.04 | Yulia | abrotman; qestion is.,.,,how = |
| 20:28.10 | stew | !info mysql-server-4.1 etch |
| 20:28.15 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.11a-4 (etch), Packaged size: 14214 kB, Installed size: 30420 kB |
| 20:28.16 | stew | antgel: ^^^ |
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| 20:28.25 | VivekVC | Again will that be a problem ? |
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| 20:28.30 | antgel | stew: i see the light |
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| 20:29.25 | Yulia | abrotman, i see then. Which version do i need for sid? |
| 20:29.30 | antgel | stew: he said he upgraded to 5.0 i think. i'm confused |
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| 20:29.36 | abrotman | Yulia: get the one for sarge |
| 20:29.45 | abrotman | Yulia: if that doesn't work .. then try the one from sid |
| 20:30.01 | hans_ | Is Sketch the new Sarge? |
| 20:30.06 | VivekVC | wondering if it's a false alarm or something, maybe portsenty playing up, but not sure.... |
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| 20:30.11 | streuner | hans_: etch |
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| 20:30.27 | streuner | hans_: etch=testing now |
| 20:30.34 | VivekVC | I faced a similar situation some time back and then i was told i was servly rooted... |
| 20:30.35 | Yulia | abrotman, oldstable, stable or unestable? |
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| 20:31.00 | hans_ | streuner: yeah thats what I meant. So Sid is always going to be the development release? |
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| 20:31.08 | streuner | hans_: yes |
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| 20:31.13 | antgel | hans_: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 20:31.15 | Yulia | abrotman, cause i use kde not genome |
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| 20:31.40 | abrotman | Yulia: stable |
| 20:31.40 | Yulia | does it matter' |
| 20:31.52 | hans_ | streuner: Which one do you run? I had upgraded from Sarge to Sid, but it broke some things so I set it back to Sarge. |
| 20:32.06 | martman | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential packag. |
| 20:32.06 | martman | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 20:32.07 | abrotman | Yulia: get the one for sarge |
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| 20:32.12 | martman | anyone know what i can do about that? |
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| 20:32.22 | antgel | martman: are you running sarge? |
| 20:32.23 | darkcmd | is there any general configuration program for debian that will configure main config files? |
| 20:32.31 | streuner | hans_: onces you have unstable installed, you run unstable then... |
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| 20:32.35 | martman | antgel testing |
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| 20:32.37 | darkcmd | I am curious for my friend, I want to ease him into Debian |
| 20:32.40 | martman | never can remember the names lol |
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| 20:33.08 | streuner | hans_: just reinstall, if you want sarge/stable |
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| 20:33.12 | antgel | martman: testing breaks from time to time. this has come up loads here. can't help you, sorry |
| 20:33.15 | hans_ | streuner: Evein if I pin sarge in my /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 20:33.24 | dafen | xorg or xfree86 4.3 , which is better in terms of speed? |
| 20:33.26 | greycat | darkcmd: not really. there's base-config, but that's all. |
| 20:33.30 | streuner | hans_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 20:33.37 | martman | antgel thanks |
| 20:33.39 | antgel | !tell hans_ about downgrade |
| 20:33.42 | dafen | if switch to xorg, do I need to do alot of configuration work? |
| 20:33.49 | abrotman | tons .. hours .. weeks! |
| 20:33.52 | darkcmd | greycat: would it be possible to port open source configuration programs to debian? |
| 20:33.53 | abrotman | dafen: hopefully ont |
| 20:33.54 | abrotman | not |
| 20:33.58 | greycat | dafen: only if you do crazy shit like run proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 20:34.09 | dafen | oh.. |
| 20:34.10 | antgel | dafen: do you need xorg? |
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| 20:34.15 | greycat | darkcmd: why would you want to? to make debian suck? |
| 20:34.18 | dafen | doI? |
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| 20:34.24 | dafen | how do i know... that's why I am asking |
| 20:34.26 | darkcmd | greycat, for my friend.. just him |
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| 20:34.36 | dafen | does xorg improves speed a lot? |
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| 20:34.42 | streuner | no |
| 20:34.45 | greycat | darkcmd: he'll be better off learning how to run a unix box. |
| 20:34.46 | hans_ | streuner: I'm at work now. Will try whe I get nome. What should it say if it's sarge? |
| 20:34.47 | antgel | darkcmd: can't your friend read documentation? |
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| 20:34.52 | greycat | dafen: in some cases. |
| 20:34.57 | darkcmd | ok.. I'll force him :D |
| 20:34.57 | dafen | like opengls? |
| 20:35.00 | streuner | !info libc6 sarge |
| 20:35.01 | dafen | I have nvidia and ati cards |
| 20:35.07 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 20:35.09 | dafen | both running glx -opengl drivers |
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| 20:35.37 | antgel | dafen: so, why do you need xorg? |
| 20:35.40 | hans_ | streuner: OK cool Tks. |
| 20:35.43 | Yulia | abrotman, dpkg -i package or is there any new way to do it?.i have been two years without using debian |
| 20:35.45 | dafen | yea, why do I need it? |
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| 20:35.52 | abrotman | Yulia: dpkg -i package |
| 20:35.53 | dafen | so I am asking you people |
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| 20:35.57 | dafen | do I really need it? |
| 20:36.00 | Yulia | ok |
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| 20:36.09 | antgel | dafen: if you have to ask, you don't |
| 20:36.29 | dafen | i wanna improve a bit of opengl apps speeds |
| 20:36.40 | greycat | dafen: well, try it and find out. |
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| 20:36.46 | antgel | people have a fixation with 3d graphics speeds |
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| 20:36.55 | greycat | dafen: you can always go back (you *did* back up your data, right?) |
| 20:37.07 | dafen | err..... you people trick me to do an experiment? |
| 20:37.08 | stew | can anyone think of a program that given a .wav, will tell me the duration? or one that would tell me if its mono/stereo? |
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| 20:37.15 | goron | Does anyone have a C3D viewer on a *n*x platform? |
| 20:37.18 | antgel | an ex-colleague of mine refused to play any game under a certain fps. i don't think he even enjoyed the gameplay |
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| 20:37.27 | dafen | antgel |
| 20:37.28 | dafen | me too |
| 20:37.28 | abrotman | stew: audacity .. might .. but it's a bit heavy for just what you're asking |
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| 20:37.32 | dafen | I am very picky about fps |
| 20:37.37 | stew | abrotman: no i need it for a script |
| 20:37.38 | dafen | serious palyer used to be |
| 20:37.52 | abrotman | stew: well .. thent hat won't work :) |
| 20:37.54 | dafen | almost the only person who installs quake3a on linux |
| 20:37.59 | stew | abrotman: i have 25000 files to do this with |
| 20:38.02 | dafen | among my friends, they call me nuts |
| 20:38.03 | tcsetattr | stew, file(1) can tell the sampling rate, number of channels, and sample size... from that you can calculate the bitrate, and from that and the filesize you can calculate the playing time (unless the audio is compressed, which wavs usually aren't) |
| 20:38.08 | abrotman | stew: that's a lot of piracy :) |
| 20:38.12 | stew | tcsetattr: perfect |
| 20:38.12 | dafen | I am very keen to fps |
| 20:38.19 | stew | abrotman: nope it's all licensed |
| 20:38.23 | abrotman | stew: i was joking |
| 20:38.24 | dafen | won't play if lower than 120fps |
| 20:38.29 | antgel | dafen: you're killing me |
| 20:38.29 | RevolutionOs | heyyy people i have problems |
| 20:38.33 | abrotman | stew: is it in C ? |
| 20:38.51 | stew | abrotman: what? |
| 20:38.53 | dafen | so, is xorg suitable for me? |
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| 20:38.58 | abrotman | stew: it's just bash? |
| 20:39.01 | stew | perl |
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| 20:39.04 | Yulia | abrotman, problems http://pastebin.com/365847, Install all problems it says? |
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| 20:39.16 | abrotman | Yulia: apt-get -f install |
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| 20:39.51 | tcsetattr | stew, you might want to study the magic file to learn the format of the wav header and parse them yourself... should be a simple unpack() in perl |
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| 20:40.07 | tcsetattr | or search CPAN for audio modules |
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| 20:40.20 | VivekVC | btw, can some one guide me to a URL where i can find out the various port numbers and services that run through them |
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| 20:40.31 | antgel | VivekVC: vi /etc/services |
| 20:40.40 | stew | tcsetattr: for what i'm doing here, file is going to be just fine, this only needs to be a one time quick and dirty thing, thanks |
| 20:40.42 | fatalerror | s/vi/pager/ =) |
| 20:40.54 | antgel | fatalerror: wuss *grin* |
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| 20:42.17 | tcsetattr | ok then, file(1) will say something like "22050 Hz" which means 22050 samples per second. double that if it says "stereo". Double it again if it says "16 bits". Then you've got the bytes/sec rate. If you really want to be super-accurate, subtract 44 bytes from the file size before dividing (wav header is 44 bytes) |
| 20:42.18 | madclicker | is there a way to see "opened" files by users on the system (samba)? |
| 20:42.30 | antgel | madclicker: lsof |
| 20:42.30 | tcsetattr | madclicker, try lsof |
| 20:42.35 | RevolutionOs | hey i need help |
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| 20:42.53 | antgel | !tell RevolutionOs about ask |
| 20:42.55 | greycat | !lsof++ |
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| 20:43.17 | antgel | greycat: what did that do?q |
| 20:43.23 | greycat | !karma lsof |
| 20:43.23 | dpkg | lsof has karma of 2 |
| 20:43.27 | tcsetattr | ironically, I never use lsof because `ls -l /proc/*/fd/*' is plenty readable enough for me |
| 20:43.45 | madclicker | antgel:tcsetattr: thank you , list opened files :) |
| 20:43.53 | tarzeau | tcsetattr: you're so linux centric |
| 20:44.06 | Ryushin | I'm building mythtv. I'm wondering if the AMD 64 Sempron is classified as a K8 and not a athlon-xp for compiler option. Anyone know? |
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| 20:44.20 | greycat | !sempron |
| 20:44.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sempron is AMD's new (2004) budget line of 32-bit processors, to replace the Duron line. Sempron 2800+ and lower are socket A; 3100+ and higher are socket 754. See <k7>. a Thoroughbred core Athlon XP (k7) by a flashy name |
| 20:44.23 | pipeline | Ryushin: Semprons can be either one depending on which model. |
| 20:44.25 | tcsetattr | true... |
| 20:44.40 | Yulia | abrotman, gui fonts are quite small, when i run it. And it says this:http://pastebin.com/365850 |
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| 20:44.49 | tarzeau | tcsetattr: there's more than "just" linux |
| 20:45.01 | Ryushin | 90 micron 64 bit. |
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| 20:45.07 | tcsetattr | that's strange, usually I'm the one telling people to be more portable (and getting replies that this is #debian, we don't care about other OSes) |
| 20:45.09 | antgel | yes, there is hurd as well :P |
| 20:45.20 | abrotman | Yulia: how small is small ? |
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| 20:45.33 | phogg | antgel: don't forget netbsd |
| 20:45.51 | Yulia | abrotman, very dificult to read words! |
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| 20:46.17 | phogg | Yulia: how many points is that? |
| 20:46.19 | abrotman | Yulia: you might have to ask #debian-kde how to have KDE control the GTK fonts .. since it seems to be loading the font from the gtkrc within your .kde |
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| 20:47.07 | VivekVC | ingreslock 1524/tcp |
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| 20:47.19 | Yulia | abrotman, it remember have had this problem. I think i need to install do not which fonts... |
| 20:47.25 | Yulia | *i remember |
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| 20:47.36 | abrotman | Yulia: say what again? |
| 20:47.41 | VivekVC | 31337 seems to be not defined as such. |
| 20:47.42 | tcsetattr | VivekVC, you need to use netstat -npl, and also nmap it from a different machine. |
| 20:47.55 | sbk | sebo: haven't used it, but maybe grub-md5-crypt is what you're looking for. |
| 20:48.06 | VivekVC | tcsetattr: do you really think this is rooted ? |
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| 20:48.26 | VivekVC | or is there a possibility ? |
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| 20:48.40 | abrotman | !gtk font |
| 20:48.43 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 20:48.43 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
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| 20:48.56 | soukihei | anyone else running unstable and after updating can run ssh -- segmentation fault ?? |
| 20:48.58 | tcsetattr | VivekVC, I don't know. But if it is, you can't trust anything it tells you. And if you don't know what ports are in use on your machine, that lack of knowledge is reason enough for me to suspect you might have let yourself get rooted... |
| 20:49.09 | VivekVC | that means it could be the second time in 3 or 4 months :( |
| 20:49.10 | soukihei | s/can/can't |
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| 20:49.25 | tarzeau | soukihei: dpkg -l ssh says what? |
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| 20:49.36 | asuffield | 31337 is backorifice. unless you've somehow managed to install windows, it's got to be a rootkit |
| 20:49.37 | Yulia | abrotman, fonts are bad quality image and very small |
| 20:49.38 | soukihei | dpkg -l ssh |
| 20:49.39 | dpkg | ii ssh 3.5-4 soukihei's private porn collection |
| 20:49.39 | darkcmd | how do I change my default window manager that runs when I run the VNC server |
| 20:49.49 | abrotman | Yulia: try xfontsel |
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| 20:50.10 | soukihei | it says version 4.2p1-3 |
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| 20:50.24 | hans_ | darkcmd: .xinitrc script |
| 20:50.30 | darkcmd | ok |
| 20:50.36 | ynos | hi @all |
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| 20:51.02 | ynos | question for debian specialists: How can I disable a module which is loaded by the initrd? |
| 20:51.27 | tcsetattr | if it's not in use after the initrd, you can just rmmod it |
| 20:52.05 | ynos | tcsetattr: and how I do accomplish that in the debian way? |
| 20:52.15 | TonyBurn | why does debian come with XFree86 and not Xorg ? whts the difference as i thought Xorg was Xfree86 evolved ? |
| 20:52.35 | antgel | TonyBurn: http://www.debian.org/releases |
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| 20:53.16 | VivekVC | tcsetattr: Here's the output of netstat -npl, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/vpzLMa43.html |
| 20:53.18 | tarzeau | soukihei: i know have the same, and it works fine here (no segfaults) |
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| 20:53.33 | VivekVC | btw, can some one here volunteer to nmap me please |
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| 20:53.39 | Manoj` | TonyBurn, Xorg is in unstable right now |
| 20:53.40 | tarzeau | VivekVC: can't you run netstat ? |
| 20:53.46 | TonyBurn | oh right |
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| 20:54.07 | soukihei | tarzeau: hmm. I wonder what is different in our systems. |
| 20:54.22 | soukihei | it was working fine before I ran 'apt-get upgrade' |
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| 20:54.36 | VivekVC | tarzeau: the output is pasted above in the pastebin. |
| 20:54.40 | VivekVC | Manoj`: hey |
| 20:54.41 | caphuso | stty: unknown mode: doofus |
| 20:54.44 | tcsetattr | fscking portsentry. |
| 20:54.46 | caphuso | thanks, sudo... |
| 20:54.50 | tarzeau | soukihei: can you run it in some *trace/gdb ? |
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| 20:55.13 | soukihei | yeah, i am going to be trying that next. thanks. |
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| 20:55.26 | hans_ | soukihei: you could try purging configs on ssh and then reinstall. |
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| 20:55.57 | soukihei | hans_ how do I purge the configs? |
| 20:56.01 | VivekVC | tcsetattr: portsenty ? |
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| 20:56.27 | hans_ | soukihei: dpkg --purge ssh ; apt-get install ssh |
| 20:56.35 | tcsetattr | portsentry - letting unix users be GWFs too! |
| 20:56.47 | soukihei | thx |
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| 20:56.58 | VivekVC | tcsetattr: so i am ok i recon ;) |
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| 20:59.52 | hans_ | Dantix: I played with OpenSSI about a year ago. |
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| 21:01.23 | Dantix | hans_ is it HA cluster or a HP cluster? |
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| 21:04.37 | Manoj` | VivekVC, fancy meeting you here |
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| 21:05.25 | Dantix | hans_sorry I was not clear.. |
| 21:05.28 | abrotman | Manoj`: you don't love us anymore ... :( |
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| 21:05.58 | Dantix | hans_do you have experience about root failover? |
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| 21:06.52 | hans_ | Dantix: Alls I did was Install it, configure TFTP boot, and attached two other PCs.. Then ran some stress tests. Never did put it into production |
| 21:07.28 | Dantix | hans_ok, thank you |
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| 21:08.50 | abrotman | Yulia: did you get it ? |
| 21:09.07 | hans_ | Dantix: sorry I'm not more help. The only other cluster exp I have is with RedHat AS cluster which was quite easy to configure. |
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| 21:11.29 | VivekVC | Manoj`: Talking of which i am into Malayalam l10n of the debian installer. |
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| 21:12.37 | Yulia | abrotman, fonts are seen very bad yet. bad and small |
| 21:12.39 | Yulia | :( |
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| 21:12.45 | abrotman | xfontsel didn't help ? |
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| 21:13.31 | Yulia | abrotman, ssh-keygen -t rsa -f id_rsa -N "" |
| 21:13.35 | Yulia | sorry: |
| 21:13.37 | abrotman | uhm? |
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| 21:13.43 | TonyBurn | whats the default config XFree86 starts with in debian? /etc/X11/XF86Config ? |
| 21:13.51 | abrotman | -4 |
| 21:13.56 | abrotman | XF86Config-4 |
| 21:14.05 | Yulia | abrotman, portatil:~/.ssh# apt-cache search xfontsel |
| 21:14.06 | Yulia | tkfont - A different xfontsel for displaying fonts |
| 21:14.06 | Yulia | xbase-clients - miscellaneous X clien |
| 21:14.09 | TonyBurn | k, ta :) |
| 21:14.17 | abrotman | Yulia: in your xbase-clients ... should already be installed |
| 21:14.20 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 21:14.20 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
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| 21:15.27 | Yulia | abrotman, soory?, did not underestand |
| 21:15.38 | abrotman | Yulia: try to run xfontsel |
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| 21:16.18 | Yulia | abrotman, it runs |
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| 21:16.27 | abrotman | Yulia: and changing the font does nothing? |
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| 21:16.47 | abrotman | Yulia: you might have to ask #debian-kde how to change a gtk font .. you don't have all the normal facilities installed .. and i'm not too familiar with KDE |
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| 21:17.03 | rudenstam | what more do I need to do than add /dev/hda to fstab with sw as type to make it a swap partition ? |
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| 21:17.12 | abrotman | swapon ? |
| 21:17.29 | tcsetattr | rudenstam, mkswap, fstab, swapon -a |
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| 21:17.54 | VivekVC | Manoj`: if you are still around, can i have a quick word with you in debian-mentors. |
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| 21:18.06 | Yulia | abrotman, issue is on gtk window.not where i write |
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| 21:18.28 | abrotman | Yulia: you mean the menus etc .. yeah .. somehow KDE must have a way to allow you to control that |
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| 21:19.09 | rudenstam | ahh.. mkswap.. that's the one I forgot |
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| 21:20.59 | RvGaTe | woah ! |
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| 21:21.26 | RvGaTe | anyone here ? :) |
| 21:21.31 | rudenstam | nop |
| 21:21.33 | RvGaTe | sounds empty |
| 21:21.34 | Gathond | no |
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| 21:21.59 | narfnarf | when i try log in to kde, it tells me 'could not read network connection list ~/.DCOPserver_debian__list.0 please make sure dcopserver is running' -- it is running of course. also, i can log in with any other user. any hints? |
| 21:21.59 | abrotman | hi |
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| 21:24.44 | Oryn | anyone know if xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2.dfsg.1-7_i386.deb is broken? |
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| 21:25.07 | Oryn | dpkg cant install it |
| 21:25.10 | Oryn | unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory |
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| 21:25.31 | tcsetattr | that's odd. Are you missing your /usr/X11R6/lib directory? |
| 21:25.35 | Oryn | why the heck its trying to install in the currect dir |
| 21:25.44 | Oryn | tcsetattr: no its there |
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| 21:26.01 | Oryn | tcsetattr: note the "." |
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| 21:26.05 | tcsetattr | I'm thinking it probably did a chdir("/") at some point... |
| 21:26.26 | RvGaTe | somehow i felt like correcting the teacher in some programming language, so i did like 4 times, and he really was wrong about something... he didn't liked it, and i was talking to much... we had this iritation going on... then he made these "whatever" signs when i tried to correct him again... i guess i didn't make a good impression... but hey, when you're a teacher, you dont want to teach the wrong stuff... bah, strange day |
| 21:26.33 | Oryn | tcsetattr: I'm thinking its not otherwise why the error? |
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| 21:27.01 | penguin_ | Does Sid have openoffice 2.0? |
| 21:27.01 | tcsetattr | I dunno... try running dpkg -c on the .deb |
| 21:27.19 | tcsetattr | I find that dpkg -c always shows a leading ./ on all files in a deb, so I think it's normal |
| 21:27.28 | penguin_ | I think OO 2.0 will finally crush Microsoft. |
| 21:27.42 | SimonRaven | penguin_: no. experimental hass 1.99 or something. BTW, it's in there for a reason. |
| 21:27.43 | stew | penguin_: not in sid yet |
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| 21:28.07 | penguin_ | All Debian is needs is something for Access |
| 21:28.12 | Oryn | tcsetattr: any way I can force it to continue anyway and manualy install the deb ? |
| 21:28.22 | LightVision | when I used to run mepis, a distro based on Debian my hard drive was silent. Now that I run Debian Sarge, my hard drive is loud and I hear it being accessed all the time. how can I make it silent like the other distro is? |
| 21:28.27 | crazy_skater | is here some girl who wants to tolk about sex?come to my prive if you are interesting |
| 21:28.31 | SimonRaven | WTF is access? |
| 21:28.38 | SimonRaven | crazy_skater: go away |
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| 21:28.51 | Gathond | SimonRaven: the MS office database application thingy |
| 21:28.51 | SimonRaven | crazy_skater: go to efnet or something |
| 21:28.51 | crazy_skater | why? |
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| 21:28.59 | Supaplex | !cluesmite crazy_skater |
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| 21:29.13 | penguin_ | IMO Access is the only reason to buy MS |
| 21:29.17 | tcsetattr | Oryn, you can use dpkg --fsys-tarfile foo.deb | tar xvf - but maybe you should try strace dpkg -i foo.deb first to see what it's really doing. |
| 21:29.20 | SimonRaven | Gathond: matters not to me at all, but thanks for the clarification |
| 21:29.24 | LightVision | crazy_skater: ever crow (croation) I know, are gay |
| 21:29.29 | penguin_ | We depend on Access here at the job. |
| 21:29.36 | somiaj | I can't seem to find where the program /usr/bin/rename comesfrom, I've asked dpkg here, and have done a dpkg -S on my system that has it...... |
| 21:29.45 | Supaplex | why use access when you can have a real DBMS like PostgreSQL? |
| 21:29.49 | crazy_skater | ups wrong chananel sorry |
| 21:29.51 | SimonRaven | !find rename |
| 21:29.52 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'rename' (5): ifrename ;; krename ;; mp3rename ;; mrename ;; renameutils. |
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| 21:30.08 | penguin_ | We have an accounting program built on it. |
| 21:30.09 | SimonRaven | !find bin/rename |
| 21:30.11 | tcsetattr | /usr/bin/rename comes from perl. |
| 21:30.17 | crazy_skater | what did you say about croatil vision |
| 21:30.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/rename' (2): (/usr/lib/remstats/bin/rename-host) in net/remstats ;; (/usr/lib/debian-test/tests/linux/testcases/bin/{rename01|rename02|rename03|...}) in misc/ltp-kernel-test. |
| 21:30.22 | LightVision | penguin_: are you experineced with computers? |
| 21:30.24 | tcsetattr | it's one of the classic example scripts in the perl source distribution... |
| 21:30.30 | SimonRaven | meh |
| 21:30.35 | crazy_skater | croatia is my home |
| 21:30.45 | crazy_skater | you moran |
| 21:30.50 | SimonRaven | 'moron' |
| 21:30.50 | __filip_ | what should i write in fstab if i whant to rw in my hda6 that is vfat? |
| 21:30.53 | penguin_ | Yes |
| 21:31.02 | LightVision | penguin_: when I used to run mepis, a distro based on Debian my hard drive was silent. Now that I run Debian Sarge, my hard drive is loud and I hear it being accessed all the time. how can I make it silent like the other distro is? |
| 21:31.15 | Oryn | tcsetattr: how do I tell dpkg the package is installed? |
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| 21:31.21 | SimonRaven | looks better when you spell it correctly. doesn't lose steam =) |
| 21:31.38 | somiaj | ahh, ok, for somereason I didn't have perl installed on my other box (though perl-base was there), I was just surprised that dpkg -S didn't have it stored in its database.... |
| 21:31.45 | tcsetattr | Oryn, did you try strace'ing it? it's probably an easily fixable error... |
| 21:32.00 | Oryn | tcsetattr: I cant install strace |
| 21:32.02 | tcsetattr | on my box, dpkg -S /usr/bin/rename found it. |
| 21:32.03 | SalsaDoom | LightVision, it sounds like your swap drive is being hit |
| 21:32.07 | LightVision | penguin_: any idea what causes a hard drive to run silent under a distro? |
| 21:32.09 | SalsaDoom | LightVision, how big is your swap? |
| 21:32.14 | crazy_skater | i don't know english well |
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| 21:32.21 | tcsetattr | I didn't need dpkg -S /usr/bin/rename because I knew the answer already :) but it worked |
| 21:32.22 | penguin_ | YOur hd wasnt silent on the other distro |
| 21:32.24 | LightVision | SalsaDoom: how can I tell how large my swap is? |
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| 21:32.34 | SalsaDoom | LightVision, Nothing -- there is no such thing as a peice of software to make a HD run silent, its merely its access more for some reason |
| 21:32.36 | Oryn | tcsetattr: dpkg wont let me till I install xlibmesa-gl |
| 21:32.40 | Supaplex | LightVision: free |
| 21:32.48 | SimonRaven | dinstall is slow today or something |
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| 21:33.03 | penguin_ | There can be zillion reasons for your problem |
| 21:33.16 | LightVision | Supaplex: it says: Swap: 771080 0 771080 |
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| 21:33.21 | SalsaDoom | LightVision, What Supaplex said |
| 21:33.25 | SimonRaven | crazy_skater: s'ok, we all learn |
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| 21:33.41 | penguin_ | Maybe it is your fan also. |
| 21:33.43 | LightVision | SalsaDoom: thgats weird! for when I run mepis my hard drive is always totally silent |
| 21:33.56 | LightVision | penguin_: no! for I run mepis and hard drive is totally silent |
| 21:33.58 | SimonRaven | ugh, mirc |
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| 21:34.09 | jonathan_ | What would the number be for a vfat partition in cfdisk? |
| 21:34.17 | Supaplex | option #1: put the covers back on the case. #2 turn off the computer. ;) |
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| 21:34.24 | penguin_ | It cant be, linux always writes to drive from time to time |
| 21:34.30 | LightVision | my swap file is the same size under Sarge and mepis! yet undr mepis, hard drive runs silent! Anyone know why? |
| 21:34.47 | abrotman | because the sync isn't called as often |
| 21:34.49 | WiFiTux | which is the right was of deleting old kernels? removing the vmlinuz file in /boot and then from the Grub config? |
| 21:34.50 | donw | Ok, I' |
| 21:34.56 | LightVision | penguin_: Im telling you again if you would listen THIS time :P, I NEVER hear my hard drive when running mepis! |
| 21:35.10 | stew | LightVision: do you run mepis from a livecd? |
| 21:35.11 | Supaplex | LightVision: we know that |
| 21:35.19 | LightVision | penguin_: dont tell me what cant be when im here and you are there :) thanks |
| 21:35.21 | donw | Ok, I'm thinking of a network monitoring tool, it's like Big Brother, only it's *not* Big Brother. Anyone bloody remember the name of this thing? It's web-based... |
| 21:35.27 | LightVision | stew: no from hard drive |
| 21:35.42 | petemc | donw: nagios |
| 21:35.48 | SalsaDoom | LightVision, For some reason, Mepis just isn't doing heavy read operations while Debian is. That sounds pretty strange it would be such a big difference though. Do you run different filesystems perhaps? |
| 21:35.53 | amphi | donw: mrtg? |
| 21:35.56 | penguin_ | What about on bootup, Same noise from hard drive? |
| 21:35.57 | jonathan_ | Anyone? |
| 21:36.06 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 21:36.06 | LightVision | i would love to know the reason why I cant hear my hard drive when running mepis, but when running Debian its load. Thats very interesting |
| 21:36.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> consider the answer to be "yes" if the program is actually in Debian.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 21:36.20 | LightVision | SalsaDoom: I run ext3 on both |
| 21:36.33 | SalsaDoom | LightVision, well, wtf. Have you tried hitting your computer? |
| 21:36.36 | LightVision | load = loud :) |
| 21:36.52 | penguin_ | Sometimes a good smack will fix the problem. |
| 21:36.57 | LightVision | SalsaDoom: well no need to hit it! as I said, it runs silent under mepis |
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| 21:37.03 | Supaplex | LightVision: you'll need to isolate it. try lsof, procinfo, ps auxww, uname -a, mount for starters. |
| 21:37.03 | donw | petemc: That's it! You win the diseased monkey! *grin* |
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| 21:37.15 | Supaplex | LightVision: and you'll need to do it on both |
| 21:37.25 | penguin_ | I would beat the hell out of it until it shuts up. |
| 21:37.27 | LightVision | Supaplex: ok I will, thanks |
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| 21:37.48 | SalsaDoom | donw, heh, I know what your talking about, but I forgot the name of the damn program too. Wasn't it like BIg Sister or something lame? |
| 21:37.53 | AtnNn | when i'm in the linux console, beeps dont beep but display a diamond character instead, do you know how i can fix this? |
| 21:37.57 | SalsaDoom | Cripes, there is another one too... wtf was it now |
| 21:37.57 | LightVision | Supaplex: and see if its all the same under both! So I run lsof, procinfo, ps auxww, uname -a, mount, and make notes and compare them? |
| 21:38.10 | tcsetattr | AtnNn, try running "reset" |
| 21:38.13 | donw | SalsaDoom: Big Brother is one such package, and it works, but Nagios has a better license and more features -- I just forgot the name. |
| 21:38.18 | Supaplex | LightVision: that's a start. hdparm could be usefull to. |
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| 21:38.30 | LightVision | Supaplex: ok will do |
| 21:38.32 | Supaplex | donw: mon? |
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| 21:39.06 | AtnNn | tcsetattr: that doesnt work from inside screen |
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| 21:41.55 | Oryn | tcsetattr: ok I fixed my /var/lib/dpkg/status to make apt think all is ok, what am I looking for in the output of strace theres about 30 pages of output |
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| 21:42.15 | tcsetattr | Oryn, you're looking for the failure that it complains about at the end... |
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| 21:42.32 | tarzeau | is there a tool that tells me if a network card on i386 can netboot or not? |
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| 21:42.45 | Oryn | tcsetattr: its the same error that it always does |
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| 21:43.09 | quex | are there any good ways for a fairly broke, non-coder to help debian? |
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| 21:43.14 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i don't know of one, but you could look during boot to see if there's any mention of "PXE", or look and see if there's a socket for an eeprom |
| 21:43.19 | tarzeau | quex: translations? |
| 21:43.30 | Oryn | with lots of "mremap(0xb7ae9000, 1953792, 1953792, MREMAP_MAYMOVE) = 0xb7ae9000" ether side of it |
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| 21:43.33 | quex | i thought about helping with the ukrainian |
| 21:43.46 | quex | are there any other ways? |
| 21:43.48 | tarzeau | eeyore-: nah, i was curious if debian had a tool. *i* do have one, maybe i should have the package uploaded to it, since this can be useful for people (it was for me) |
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| 21:43.56 | priest | tarzeau:: Set your BIOS to boot on network and se if it starts scanning for dhcp when you boot. |
| 21:44.00 | stew | quex: do you know any lanuguages that you could help with translation? |
| 21:44.02 | tarzeau | eeyore-: easier without rebooting or looking at the hardware , using only software ;) |
| 21:44.13 | eeyore- | tarzeau: how does your tool do it? |
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| 21:44.21 | tcsetattr | Oryn, never mind, I don't have the patience to teach someone how to read an strace |
| 21:44.26 | tarzeau | priest: nah, that's too hard. if you can just scan the network rom extension for UNDI |
| 21:44.30 | tarzeau | eeyore-: www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ |
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| 21:44.41 | eeyore- | tarzeau: scan the roms ... ya |
| 21:44.46 | quex | i only know english and ukrainian |
| 21:44.53 | tarzeau | eeyore-: i'll also add some debconf crap asking the user "take part in the rom museum and submit it to my email address" |
| 21:44.59 | quex | i'll join up there then |
| 21:45.03 | quex | thanks for the suggestion |
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| 21:45.40 | eeyore- | tarzeau: but will it tell you if the card is *capable* of being netboot? (say, 3com cards that have sockets for boot prom, but none in the socket yet) |
| 21:45.40 | stew | quex: also go to qa.debian.org and look at the "Work Needed" section |
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| 21:45.55 | tarzeau | eeyore-: yes, i can make a little script that tells you that |
| 21:46.05 | tarzeau | eeyore-: those don't have a rom extension :) |
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| 21:46.37 | dannyp | so I'm running a custom compile of 2.4.27 (what this debian CD shipped with) and the USB mouse works, but after some use it stops to work. modprobe -r usb-ohci && modprobe usb-ohci gets it working again. /proc/interrupts is only showing that driver using the interrupt in question (12). any ideas what the problem is? |
| 21:46.43 | Oryn | tcsetattr: it kindof might help if it didn't truncate its output like this "lets have some usefull information to follow: The error you are looking for i"..., |
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| 21:47.01 | tarzeau | eeyore-: i've successfully found 10 machines out of 150, that i inserted netboot capable nics into... |
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| 21:47.17 | opteek | what package do i apt-get to get X installed? |
| 21:47.25 | tarzeau | opteek: client or server? |
| 21:47.29 | opteek | client |
| 21:47.31 | dafen | opteek, x-window-system |
| 21:47.33 | tarzeau | opteek: sarge or sid? |
| 21:47.37 | opteek | sarge |
| 21:47.50 | eeyore- | tarzeau: nifty tool :) go for it |
| 21:48.03 | dannyp | are you sure you mean client and not server? |
| 21:48.09 | tcsetattr | Oryn, strace -s 8192 (-s option: maximum string length). What you're looking for is probably open("/usr/X11R6/lib/..." |
| 21:48.23 | eXistenZ | which image viewer is better to use? gwenview or showimg |
| 21:48.24 | opteek | yes im sure danny |
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| 21:48.46 | Oryn | tcsetattr: thanks (saves me wading through the man page) |
| 21:48.55 | tarzeau | dannyp: i'm not so sure he is sure ;) |
| 21:49.10 | eeyore- | tarzeau: "fontdump"? |
| 21:49.15 | opteek | :( |
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| 21:49.26 | tarzeau | eeyore-: scans for software bitmap fonts in vga rom images (more or less successfull ;) |
| 21:49.55 | tarzeau | opteek: you already have an x server somewhere? |
| 21:50.17 | eeyore- | tarzeau: how am i supposed to run "ree"? |
| 21:50.32 | tarzeau | eeyore-: ./ree.sh or compile the ree.c and run ./ree (all as root) |
| 21:50.41 | tarzeau | bash script is way slower than the compiled c binary ;) |
| 21:50.50 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i got two *.rom files ... |
| 21:50.51 | tarzeau | but it was fun to write , heh |
| 21:51.13 | eeyore- | tarzeau: does that mean my epia mii-10000 is capable of netbooting? :-) (yes, it is, intel PXE) |
| 21:51.16 | tarzeau | eeyore-: the f000*.rom is incomplete, since most bioses are 64kb+ and i can't change the memory window |
| 21:51.28 | tarzeau | eeyore-: what says file *.rom ? |
| 21:51.30 | Oryn | tcsetattr: hmm ok after 3 goes its bloody working :( |
| 21:51.35 | dannyp | my computing situation sounds like a sitcom.... I need to become infected with spyware, so I needed to run windows, so I installed linux. |
| 21:51.40 | eeyore- | tarzeau: c0000.rom and f0000.rom |
| 21:51.47 | tarzeau | eeyore-: can you strings |grep UNDI in it? c0000 is the video rom most probably |
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| 21:51.55 | tarzeau | eeyore-: and you don't have no others, like scsi or net |
| 21:52.09 | cmatheson | quick question, in a cvs repository does everything end in ',v' ? |
| 21:52.14 | dannyp | which, sadly, is accurate |
| 21:52.16 | tarzeau | eeyore-: i've seen some i386 with the vga video rom somewhere else than c0000 ;) |
| 21:52.27 | eeyore- | tarzeau: c0000.rom = 57344 bytes, "strings c0000.rom | grep UNDI" = no output |
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| 21:52.41 | tarzeau | eeyore-: yes, run file c0000.rom it's the video rom, can i have a copy of it? |
| 21:52.55 | tarzeau | eeyore-: i swear, there's no copyright infringement, you're allowed to make distributed backups |
| 21:53.08 | Gnea | tarzeau wants to virtualize his brain |
| 21:53.13 | Gnea | :) |
| 21:53.14 | eeyore- | tarzeau: ree didn't think my epia is netboot capable :) |
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| 21:54.13 | cmatheson | i'm setting up a subversion server and i need to copy the old cvs server's stuff over. i've never really used cvs, but it looks like all the files in the physical repository are all ending in ,v . is that normal? |
| 21:54.22 | tarzeau | eeyore-: it'd be fun if the rom areas were also writable... |
| 21:54.32 | tarzeau | eeyore-: one could do very funny and nifty things.... but oh well pc crap |
| 21:54.39 | dannyp | cmatheson: certainly all of the files I can ever recall seeing in a repository end in ,v |
| 21:54.42 | tcsetattr | cmatheson, in my repository I have 2 files for each "real" file: one ending in ,v and one that doesn't |
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| 21:55.00 | dannyp | cmatheson: whether or not there might be some files that don't end in ,v in a valid repository, I don't recall |
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| 21:55.18 | myhero | hi, please, my debian when i start it, it comes with an IP 120.0.0.1 i think but i want this IP 192.168.0.1 in eth0 by default !!! how can i change it???? |
| 21:55.21 | tcsetattr | cmatheson, wait a minute, I was looking in the CVSROOT directory... in the rest of the repository everything is ,v |
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| 21:55.37 | cmatheson | tcsetattr: oh ok |
| 21:55.39 | eeyore- | tarzeau: does that mean the intel PXE stuff isn't compliant enough? |
| 21:55.50 | nvz | isnt there something built in to X I can take a screenshot with, perhaps in xbase-clients? |
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| 21:56.01 | nvz | dpkg, screenshot |
| 21:56.02 | dpkg | from memory, screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 21:56.08 | tcsetattr | nvz, xwd would be the traditional tool for that. Been part of X since the beginning of time. |
| 21:56.10 | myhero | i know that i can change it with ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 |
| 21:56.16 | cmatheson | so maybe the best way to do this would be to checkout the cvs stuff and then import it into subversion... how does cvs' authentication work? can i add myself as a user w/ root perms? |
| 21:56.23 | myhero | but i want this as default in the boot |
| 21:56.27 | renga | good tv capture pakage? |
| 21:56.32 | eeyore- | tarzeau: anyhow i noticed that it's buggy as hell (netbooting) --- it needs to be completely powered down first, as netbooting from warm reboot will make it not see the network for some reason. maybe it's linux didn't leave hardware in good state. |
| 21:56.46 | nkuttler | myhero: man interfaces |
| 21:56.56 | Gathond | cmatheson: there is a cvs2svn program for importing CVS repositories into svn and keeping the version history somewhat intact |
| 21:56.59 | myhero | owh thanx |
| 21:57.00 | tarzeau | eeyore-: no you don't have any network cards that can netboot |
| 21:57.06 | priest | myhero:: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:57.17 | eeyore- | tarzeau: haha, funny :-p |
| 21:57.18 | myhero | thnkss priest |
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| 21:57.27 | tarzeau | eeyore-: or it's turned off in the bios (some can do that) |
| 21:57.42 | eeyore- | tarzeau: oh wait ... yeah, maybe i did turn it off :-) |
| 21:57.42 | karsten | What's the "what packages do I need to build my kernel" factoid again? |
| 21:57.51 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i did mention it was buggy. maybe i got upset and turned it off |
| 21:58.08 | tarzeau | hmmm, what nic is that? and what's buggy about it? |
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| 21:58.32 | tarzeau | eeyore-: did i tell you waht the most funny secret messages were i found in some roms? |
| 21:58.38 | eeyore- | tarzeau: can't netboot from warm reboot (e.g., linux reboot, next boot it won't see the bootp server) |
| 21:58.51 | tarzeau | eeyore-: intel.rom DECOMPILATION OR DISASSEMBLY PROHIBITED |
| 21:58.52 | eeyore- | tarzeau: nope, what is it? (funny message) |
| 21:59.05 | dannyp | cmatheson: to answer your question, if you can read a CVS repository, you can just set CVSROOT=/path/to/repository |
| 21:59.22 | tarzeau | eeyore-: funny they didn't add some LOL into it |
| 21:59.23 | woodland | does anybody here use wireless on kernel 2.4 ? |
| 21:59.29 | narfnarf | tarzeau: with the DMCA they might even have a legal handle |
| 21:59.47 | eeyore- | tarzeau: the nic is the integrated via vt6102 (via rhine) with pxe, but you're right, i probably turned it off |
| 22:00.15 | cmatheson | Gathond: dannyp thanks |
| 22:00.42 | tarzeau | eeyore-: where's the movies on your ftp? ;) |
| 22:02.17 | eeyore- | tarzeau: movies? |
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| 22:04.52 | oskie | tarzeau: it should be illegal for companies to put notices like that. |
| 22:05.25 | oskie | they clearly can't prevent you from disassambling it |
| 22:06.10 | Oryn | tcsetattr: ok maybe it didn't fix its self, I just diverted stderr to a file allong with strace's output |
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| 22:06.20 | Oryn | but I have now fixed it |
| 22:06.26 | nkuttler | !tell woodland about polls |
| 22:06.41 | Oryn | its actualy looking for /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 |
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| 22:07.21 | tcsetattr | Oryn, then man dpkg-divert |
| 22:07.47 | Oryn | tcsetattr: I just created the missing directory and it fixed it |
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| 22:08.40 | Oryn | tcsetattr: the ati drivers I got from ati not debian and were missing a diversion directory |
| 22:08.56 | Oryn | tcsetattr: thats very much for the help |
| 22:09.05 | DareMo | question: I just installed the Nvidia drivers , and everything went fine, the installer compiled them for my kernel, when I go to reconfigure the xserver-sfree86, I set the resolution to 1024x768 as the minimum , but when I go to X , the maximum i have is 800x600 what can I do ??? |
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| 22:10.28 | Peaker | how likely is it that if I take a "debian/" dir from a source package and copy it into a slightly newer version, that it will work smoothly? |
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| 22:12.11 | Azar | DareMo, 800X600 is a must, you have to pick default 1024X768 |
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| 22:12.59 | _zap_ | hi. does anyone know a packet sniffer which allows allows to monitor certain applications (ideally with a debug feature, i.e. stop the process after a certain packet)? |
| 22:13.05 | Azar | DareMo you have to have them both: 800X600 as minimum, and 124x768 as default |
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| 22:14.17 | dannyp | _zap_: to only monitor certain applications? I'm not certain that's possible. generally put I think packet sniffers operate at too low of a level to know what application is generating the traffic |
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| 22:15.22 | tcsetattr | iptables can have rules based on PID or command name (keep in mind commands can be easily renamed though) |
| 22:15.41 | _zap_ | dannyp: you could make it operate like a debugger and intercept syscalls or alternatively monitor sockets which belong to the monitored application |
| 22:15.55 | _zap_ | dannyp: strangely i cannot find a tool which does this |
| 22:16.13 | tcsetattr | it sounds like a dumb idea, _zap_. What Are You Really Trying To Do? |
| 22:16.37 | eXistenZ | what package adds the client interface for samba in the Kcenter? |
| 22:16.50 | dannyp | _zap_: I'm not certain how much more functional that is than just looking at certain ports |
| 22:17.21 | dannyp | for what it's worth, I'm not writing it off as a dumb idea? |
| 22:17.35 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: assume you want to reverse engineer a network protocol. ideally you would monitor an application and relate your app. inputs to the packets, thus augmenting the packet stream with additional info. which allows you to understand the protocol |
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| 22:18.11 | _zap_ | dannyp: i just gave an example where such a functionality could be useful |
| 22:18.21 | bastard | help |
| 22:18.26 | dannyp | _zap_: I mean, yes, but you can do that with a packet sniffer as well |
| 22:18.37 | Gnea | heh |
| 22:18.41 | tcsetattr | that sounds like you just need an accurate timestamped log of input events, to go along with the accurate timestamp log in your tcpdump capture file |
| 22:18.48 | _zap_ | dannyp: no, you cannot relate application and packets |
| 22:19.02 | Gnea | _zap_: you can't? |
| 22:19.04 | _zap_ | dannyp: assume you want to rev.eng. a game protocol |
| 22:19.10 | _zap_ | Gnea: tell me how |
| 22:19.24 | Gnea | _zap_: i can only offer theories, nothing concrete |
| 22:19.28 | tcsetattr | if you're reverse engineering something, don't run anything else on the same machine at the same time! That way _every_ network packet is obviously related to the thing you're reverse engineering. |
| 22:19.31 | _zap_ | Gnea: no problem |
| 22:19.52 | Gnea | _zap_: what program are you attemping to reverse? |
| 22:20.14 | Gnea | +t |
| 22:20.18 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: i am tallking about how to understand app. inputs on the network protocol |
| 22:20.35 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: you would at least need a common time to do that |
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| 22:20.56 | _zap_ | Gnea: this does not really matter. let's focus on the problem |
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| 22:21.49 | Gnea | _zap_: just tcpdump the packets to a file and co-relate it with logfile entries, since theiir times are syncronized |
| 22:21.49 | lewis | can you run a filesystem check without rebooting? |
| 22:21.49 | Gnea | _zap_: actually it does matter. |
| 22:21.49 | tcsetattr | zap, set a gdb breakpoint on the send(), recv(), write(), read(), etc... don't get stuck on this crazy fantasy that your debugger should have an integrated packet sniffer. |
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| 22:23.33 | _zap_ | Gnea: this would assume that the app. logs input events which are relevant to the network protocol |
| 22:23.36 | mfrisch | is gigabit nics and switches "worth it"? |
| 22:23.42 | Morti | Yep. |
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| 22:23.52 | Morti | If you transfer a lot of data over your network. |
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| 22:23.58 | Morti | Otherwise no. |
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| 22:24.11 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: i am going to write such an app. if there is nothing out there but i can hardly believe that nobody has yet come up with one |
| 22:24.14 | mfrisch | can you suggest a small switch? |
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| 22:24.39 | tcsetattr | zap, you don't even have a concrete idea! Just some handwaving about how existing tools are good enough for you, boo hoo. |
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| 22:24.50 | tcsetattr | logging input events is not hard... |
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| 22:25.19 | eXistenZ | I got trouble with my kdm here. Although my background settings are set right, I cannot see a background =/ |
| 22:25.47 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: so you would simple create a dump and in parallel log input events from the monitored process and relate them later |
| 22:25.53 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: simply |
| 22:26.06 | mfrisch | >> |
| 22:26.12 | MrBallZ | question: I just installed the Nvidia drivers , and everything went fine, the installer compiled them for my kernel, when I go to reconfigure the xserver-sfree86, I set the resolution to 1024x768 as the minimum , but when I go to X , the maximum i have is 800x600 what can I do ??? |
| 22:26.18 | tcsetattr | I dunno, I'd run the program do exactly one "input event", and exit. then you know what that does... build on it |
| 22:26.54 | dannyp | perhaps a modeline problem, MrBallZ |
| 22:27.02 | tcsetattr | packet sniffing isn't proper reverse engineering anyway. reading assembly code, that's how it's done... |
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| 22:29.24 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: that is certainly another option |
| 22:29.45 | kasper | how do i add a path so that i don't have to type the whole '/opt/path/to/javac' and so i can just type javac?? |
| 22:30.15 | _zap_ | kasper: set PATH=${PATH}:/opt/.. in your .bashrc for example |
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| 22:30.58 | tcsetattr | if you're doing an X program, tcpdump actually gives you a timestamped "input event" log for free - just run DISPLAY=localhost:0 and tcpdump -i lo |
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| 22:31.06 | kasper | _zap_:does it matter where in that file? |
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| 22:33.17 | _zap_ | kasper: it is a bash file so in general yes |
| 22:33.22 | Whitman | Is there a list of monitors anywhere? I have no idea what the refresh rates are on a monitor and the model number doesn't turn up anything on google. |
| 22:33.34 | _zap_ | kasper: just try to put it somewhere |
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| 22:33.45 | _zap_ | kasper: at the end e.g. |
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| 22:33.54 | MrBallZ | dannyp: and how can I resolve that, it seems Im not the only one with this problem... |
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| 22:34.30 | kasper | _zap_: thanks!! i'll need to logout and re-login right? |
| 22:34.32 | tcsetattr | Whitman, start with a generic crappy monitor template, then slowly increase the range until it stops working |
| 22:34.37 | lewis | what is the command to run a filesystem check on a ext3 filesystem upon reboot? |
| 22:35.08 | lewis | and will the output show up in the logs? |
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| 22:35.09 | _zap_ | kasper: a new shell suffices |
| 22:35.28 | kasper | _zap_: nope didn't work |
| 22:35.42 | _zap_ | kasper: ok, then relogin |
| 22:35.49 | kasper | brb |
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| 22:36.24 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: yes that is true |
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| 22:36.58 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: i will have a look how existing tools may serve the purpose before going to write such a tool myself |
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| 22:37.17 | kasper | _zap_: no dice. |
| 22:37.35 | tcsetattr | zap, you haven't given any concrete requirements, you're remarkably vague about what you want, yet simultaneously you just can't believe how us bunch of retards haven't yet made something precisely to your liking... |
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| 22:37.54 | _zap_ | kasper: did you use export? |
| 22:37.59 | tcsetattr | I think you just have a lack of imagination about how to use a debugger |
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| 22:38.49 | kasper | _zap_: nope, it works now. thanks!!!!! |
| 22:38.51 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: i was indeed not very precise just in order to prevent that the scope is too narrow |
| 22:38.54 | _zap_ | kasper: np |
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| 22:39.13 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: still i don't really appreciate your attitude |
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| 22:39.23 | s | What's the easiest method to setting up a Samba server on Debian? |
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| 22:39.25 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: which on the other hand you may not really care about :-) |
| 22:40.09 | spearsjc | i have a non-tech query - does anyone know of info / resources for use in proposing a switch from red hat to debian? |
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| 22:40.32 | Manoj` | there were a couple of why debian articles out there |
| 22:40.33 | spearsjc | i mean some good lists of all the "business reasons" and such that PHBs like |
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| 22:41.15 | Manoj` | sander, err, I just install samba, and configure it using vi? |
| 22:41.29 | Manoj` | sandman, I mean |
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| 22:42.12 | humbraro | sandman: check out swat if you want some hand-holding |
| 22:42.21 | stew | spearsjc: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 22:42.52 | p8m | When I run make-kpkg with the correct flavours and revisions and --config old configure, it asks me _all_ of the kernel questions. I copied the config file from /boot into the src dir as .config. Is this expected and what could be wrong? |
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| 22:43.32 | Manoj` | pBm: juat run makew oldconfig _before_ calling make-kpkg |
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| 22:43.43 | Manoj` | make oldconfig, even |
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| 22:44.23 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: ok but to be a little more concrete assume you want to do the following. you want to create a log for a certain process which captures all emitted packets and pressed keys sorted according to their timestamp |
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| 22:45.10 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: for this i would probably use strace and tcpdump and then create a combined log with a perl one-liner |
| 22:45.16 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: what would be your approach |
| 22:45.22 | tcsetattr | _zap_, if your main requirement is the ability to match keypresses to network packets, then you need something similar to script(1), which may or may not exist for X, but certainly wouldn't be hard to write; alternatively you could make an event-logging LD_PRELOAD for Xlib |
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| 22:46.05 | tcsetattr | that's assuming the DISPLAY=localhost:0 won't work |
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| 22:46.24 | p8m | Manoj`: I ran make oldconfig and am getting the same behavior. The command I'm using is "make-kpkg --append-to-version "-686-smp" --revision 2.6.12-1 --config old configure" |
| 22:46.33 | madclicker | is Berkeley DB 4.1 db backwards compatible with hash 7? |
| 22:46.53 | tcsetattr | strace would completely eliminate the need for packet sniffing because you'll see all the packets in the strace. If that's good enough, just use strace -s65536 -tt and enjoy! |
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| 22:47.43 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: true |
| 22:47.45 | nkuttler | madclicker: iirc there is some tool included in the packages to convert the databases |
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| 22:48.03 | tcsetattr | madclicker, Berkeley DB upgrades are rarely backward compatible... you usually have to convert existing DB files |
| 22:48.12 | Manoj` | pBm: well, why do you _need_ to run make-kpkg ... configure? anyway, try "make-kpkg --append-to-version "-686-smp" --revision 2.6.12-1 --config oldconfig configure" |
| 22:48.21 | madclicker | tcsetattr, ouch |
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| 22:48.53 | tcsetattr | madclicker, I don't remember which versions specifically, but almost every release of Berkeley DB has required a dump and reload |
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| 22:48.59 | p8m | Manoj`: that worked, Thank you :) |
| 22:49.04 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: the main challenge with strace would probably be to filter out the "key press events" from the syscall list |
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| 22:49.52 | tcsetattr | _zap_, I'd say the best choice for low-overhead would be the LD_PRELOAD, although a logging forwarder would be a close second. |
| 22:50.33 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: ok. thanks for your input |
| 22:50.41 | tcsetattr | _zap_, maybe look at xnee |
| 22:51.14 | _zap_ | tcsetattr: looks interesting, thanks |
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| 22:53.08 | stumbles | hello :) |
| 22:54.46 | stumbles | just getting my folks going on free software - is there a way that i can set their gdm login to not ask for a password (as opposed to just automatically logging in)? |
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| 22:55.48 | ryan_ | stumbles: my mom can use gdm just fine having to enter her password. |
| 22:55.51 | ryan_ | :) |
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| 22:56.26 | Manoj` | why not just reset their password to nothing? |
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| 22:56.58 | stumbles | ryan_: i'm sure she does, but coming from XP, she would prefer not to have to |
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| 22:57.25 | stumbles | Manoj`: isn't that insecure? can i disable an ssh login on that account then? |
| 22:57.43 | helix | stumbles: I believe there is a gdm option to have auto-login |
| 22:57.44 | petemc | stumbles: i did it ages, run gdmconfig, or check the options at the login screen, i remember it wasnt too hard |
| 22:57.45 | Manoj` | stumbles, so, if the password is null, then gdm would login without asking for one, I suspet |
| 22:57.48 | petemc | +ago |
| 22:57.49 | stumbles | i only want no password for local gdm login |
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| 22:58.09 | petemc | Manoj`: you think thats a good idea? |
| 22:58.19 | Manoj` | stumbles, ah. gdmconfig would be it, then |
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| 22:58.34 | Manoj` | petemc, not having to type in a password is always, err, suspect |
| 22:58.39 | petemc | yz |
| 22:58.47 | petemc | but its not /too/ bad for gdm |
| 22:58.59 | petemc | as if someone has physical acces, you're fucked anyway |
| 22:59.13 | stew | yup |
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| 22:59.46 | stumbles | physical access is cool, i just don't want to open it up remotely hehe |
| 23:00.12 | petemc | stumbles: then poke about the options, if it helps im pretty sur ei didnt have to read anything to accomplish it... |
| 23:00.53 | stumbles | i'll have another look at gdmconfig, but i was hoping for a passwordless login (there are multiple users) rather than just an automatic login |
| 23:01.03 | petemc | ahh |
| 23:01.10 | petemc | thats a bit different |
| 23:01.16 | petemc | get your readign glasses on |
| 23:01.16 | maher | stumbles: gdm does automatic logins if you set them in dgm.conf |
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| 23:01.43 | maher | stumbles: if you want a login with no password then youhave to make sure that user can't log in remotely... |
| 23:02.12 | stumbles | can i arrange that with sshd? |
| 23:02.27 | maher | stumbles: you can set AllowUsers to a list of allowed users |
| 23:02.29 | petemc | stumbles: if there are multiple users, and i know you dotn want to hear this, but you would be far better telling your user to type a password |
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| 23:03.25 | stumbles | yeah, would be easier wouldn't it petemc - good to explore the options tho |
| 23:03.38 | maher | stumbles: but then you need to check every time you set up a remote service that the user with no password can't use it - i don't know if there is a way of blocking a user from non-local logins |
| 23:04.09 | Manoj` | stumbles, http://www.jirka.org/gdm-documentation/x241.html |
| 23:04.24 | stumbles | maher: or that they can log in localy with no password, but require one remotely... |
| 23:04.49 | maher | stumbles: i don't know how to do that - but pam is complicated so i assume there is some way... |
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| 23:06.01 | stumbles | thanks for the thoughts folks :) |
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| 23:06.15 | diclophis | I need some exim help |
| 23:06.39 | lakcaj | !tell diclophis about ask |
| 23:06.52 | tcsetattr | that's great, now join #exim and tell them you need some debian help. |
| 23:07.05 | diclophis | oh, there is an exim channel |
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| 23:07.26 | diclophis | mainly I have a crapload of outgoing messages that have been locked in the queue |
| 23:07.42 | diclophis | and i basically need to setup my server to relay all mail received by it, to another email address |
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| 23:09.22 | diclophis | damnit, no one is awake in #exim |
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| 23:09.57 | stumbles | excellent seem to have found some promising stuff for PAM allowing no password for a particular user - http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/05-2004/10149.html |
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| 23:10.30 | maher | diclophis: are they all addressed to the same email address? |
| 23:12.25 | diclophis | retry time not reached for an |
| 23:12.25 | diclophis | y host |
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| 23:12.32 | diclophis | is the error message i keep getting |
| 23:12.39 | diclophis | and the emails are going to a valid email address |
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| 23:12.58 | trollboy | is there something akin to apt-get update all |
| 23:13.12 | maher | trollboy: apt-get upgrade |
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| 23:14.07 | maher | diclophis: is either your host or the remote host having network issues of some sort? |
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| 23:14.32 | stumbles | is it possible to remotely (ssh) 'su' to another account and be able to run X apps - I always get authenticion problems after switching users |
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| 23:14.43 | maher | !sux |
| 23:14.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
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| 23:16.02 | stumbles | ah lovely thanks maher |
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| 23:27.00 | Konky | hi |
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| 23:27.13 | Konky | Got a hint for a tiny/secure smtp and pop3 server ? |
| 23:27.26 | sebo | How can I `cat' everything before the line that match some regexpresion?? |
| 23:27.27 | Konky | i just need to manage a few accounts for 1 domain |
| 23:27.31 | sandman | Is it a fair idea to install udev? |
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| 23:27.51 | sandman | For some reason my PDA isn't even being recognized, so I'm guessing there's no devnode for it |
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| 23:28.13 | sebo | any ideas?? |
| 23:28.18 | dvs | sandman: udev works for me. |
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| 23:28.28 | sandman | dvs: Is it useful for 2.4 kernels? |
| 23:28.31 | ekekos | hello, i have a process "ls" to a USB device that don't die with kill -9, some other method to do dead? |
| 23:28.37 | Konky | anyone ? |
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| 23:28.52 | dvs | sandman: I think I got my Tungsten working with a 2.4 kernel a long time ago. |
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| 23:30.41 | keith | woody. How can I remove the 'space' in a MS filename? As in xxxx 123.jpg to xxx123.jpg. |
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| 23:30.53 | Konky | aight |
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| 23:31.18 | antgel | sandman: if it's a palm, the /dev node isn't created until you press the sync button |
| 23:31.23 | dvs | sandman: Wait a minute. Are you talking about udev for 2.4? I don't think that exists. |
| 23:31.26 | ekekos | i know my english is Tarzan style, but somebody can say me if my question is understood? only one people, thanks |
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| 23:32.09 | sandman | Yea |
| 23:32.14 | sandman | udev for 2.4 doesn't exist |
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| 23:32.32 | sandman | How's the 2.6 kernel in sarge? Good, any issues? |
| 23:32.33 | nono31 | is there a program like hdparm for sata disks? |
| 23:32.36 | jkern | ekekos, what command did you use? |
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| 23:32.52 | Dewi | I have a printer for which there is no linux driver. However, I think I can still share it with windows machines... but what software do I need for this? Samba.... ? |
| 23:33.00 | dvs | sandman: I still got my PDA to work with 2.4 and the USB serial driver. |
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| 23:33.12 | ekekos | jkern: kill -9 |
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| 23:34.35 | dannyp | if anyone has advice on where to get spyware, I wouldn't mind |
| 23:34.48 | jkern | ekekos, try pidof ls then kill the process number obtained thereby |
| 23:34.54 | RvGaTe | just get IE, and browse the normal day sites |
| 23:35.10 | RvGaTe | you'll get tons of spyware |
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| 23:35.20 | dannyp | great |
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| 23:35.41 | ekekos | jkern: i know ls pid number |
| 23:35.44 | dannyp | is there a place where I can get hard-to-find spyware? |
| 23:36.00 | RvGaTe | dunno, its hard to find... |
| 23:36.11 | jkern | ekekos, OK why do you need to kill it? |
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| 23:36.27 | dannyp | oh, here we go- spywareguide.com. thank you google! |
| 23:36.31 | ekekos | but kill -9 PID dont die it |
| 23:36.34 | oskie | dannyp: search for porn/warez or something with MSIE, and click yes in all dialogs |
| 23:36.44 | ekekos | jkern: for umount |
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| 23:37.00 | dannyp | the things I will be able to do in the name of science |
| 23:37.10 | jkern | ekekos, I see ...thinking... |
| 23:37.31 | ekekos | jkern: i thinking reboot... |
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| 23:38.05 | Gathond | ekekos: try finding the process in "ps aux" and check if its status includes a 'D', if it does then indeed, reboot |
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| 23:38.13 | jkern | ekekos, if that is convenient then OK -- must be something else to do but I don't know |
| 23:38.52 | HAMM3R | I have /home/hamm3r/public_html. I chmod it to 755. But, whenever I upload a file, that file is protected and I cant view it in a browser. How can I make it so uploaded files are 755 too? |
| 23:39.01 | ekekos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:39.18 | oskie | HAMM3R: consult file server documentation |
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| 23:39.56 | jkern | ekekos, D Uninterruptible sleep |
| 23:39.59 | takisd | getting mount errors after udev upgrade in etch. bad superblock on device... any suggestions? |
| 23:40.24 | jkern | ekekos, Gathond recommends reboot because of the D |
| 23:40.30 | HAMM3R | That's a bit vague. Can you give me a topic or a keyword to look for in the documentation please? |
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| 23:40.39 | ekekos | jkern: i read |
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| 23:41.08 | ekekos | jkern: thanks i will install Linux 2.6.12 before |
| 23:41.19 | Gathond | ekekos: the D is uninterruptible sleep (most likely waiting for some IO) it cant recieve any signals while waiting, so you cant kill it, only thing is 1. make whatever IO event it waits for happen, 2. reboot |
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| 23:41.56 | Gathond | ekekos: I've never found a method to find out what such a process is waiting for, making it impossible to arange for it to happen (even should that be possible) |
| 23:42.05 | ekekos | Gathond: Is waiting for USB device that is disconnected |
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| 23:42.27 | jkern | ekekos, does plugging in back in help? |
| 23:42.38 | Gathond | ekekos: yes, it will wait forever then (you might be lucky and have inserting the USB device solving it, but I doubt it) |
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| 23:42.39 | jkern | ekekos, does plugging it back in help? |
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| 23:43.02 | ekekos | Gathond: I doubt too |
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| 23:43.17 | Gathond | ekekos: on the other hand, it probably does little damage hanging around:) |
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| 23:43.27 | Gathond | unless you count the memory usage as very important |
| 23:43.43 | tonkar | somebody knows wich permissions should have the apache server content, i mean the files in /var/www/ |
| 23:43.47 | tonkar | ¿? |
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| 23:45.02 | ekekos | problem is with nautilus Thumbnails of pictures in camera |
| 23:45.12 | sandman | How to verify that all my packages are installed correctly? |
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| 23:45.54 | nkuttler | sandman: did you get any error messages? |
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| 23:46.13 | ekekos | i will try turning off thumbnails in Nautilus |
| 23:46.42 | emergo | I want a program that autogenerate passwords for me. what command/deb package ? |
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| 23:47.27 | nkuttler | emergo: apt-cache search password generate |
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| 23:47.49 | sandman | nkuttler: Yeah I ran out of space on my rootfs |
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| 23:48.00 | sandman | nkuttler: So they didn't install proper. But they look like they did |
| 23:48.05 | sandman | As in, teh package looks like its there |
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| 23:48.35 | nkuttler | sandman: try a dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:50.05 | asmodaiii | apt-get -f install ? |
| 23:50.53 | ekekos | rebooting, thanks bye bye |
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| 23:51.53 | sandman | Got it |
| 23:51.53 | sandman | thanks |
| 23:52.03 | sandman | You know, Debian is a great system to run chroots under :) |
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| 23:52.28 | sandman | Only thing I wish would happen: security updates for testing :) |
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| 23:52.46 | emergo | can I make ssh users not able to cd .. outside there home catalog ? Just see there own catalog over ssh and ftp for that matter ? |
| 23:52.52 | dvs | sandman: Same here ;-) |
| 23:52.55 | sandman | Such that if one used proper pinning, there might be an option where if a security fault is found in a package, a version bump will be automagically selected |
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| 23:53.05 | sandman | If that makes any sense |
| 23:53.11 | sandman | That way no backporting, no extra work |
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| 23:53.20 | sandman | Simply crude security for those who choose to use it |
| 23:53.22 | sandman | :) |
| 23:53.27 | sandman | I'd use that. |
| 23:53.32 | maher | sandman: security updates for testing are in place |
| 23:53.40 | sandman | maher: Does it work like I described? |
| 23:53.47 | sandman | Or does the security team have to backport |
| 23:53.50 | Azar | maher indeed I just got the latest ones last night |
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| 23:53.59 | sciboy | G'day, could someone help me figure out what i'll need to do to get these boot times down? http://www.sciboy.org/images/bootchart.png |
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| 23:54.13 | maher | sandman: I don't know - i don't use testing - add the testing security sources to souces.list and see what happens... |
| 23:54.14 | sandman | Is there a good tool for doing security analysis? |
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| 23:54.58 | nkuttler | sandman: be more specific |
| 23:55.16 | maher | sandman: leave the box connected to the net and see if it gets hacked |
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| 23:55.20 | sandman | I just want a tool that will determine if there are any security vulnerabilities on my system |
| 23:55.28 | sandman | For example, glsa-check with Gentoo |
| 23:55.42 | sandman | I have to brb |
| 23:55.46 | Azar | that because Gentoo is full of vulnerabilities |
| 23:56.00 | dvs | Azar: He's gone |
| 23:56.09 | Azar | dvs, what a loss |
| 23:56.18 | sciboy | Hmmm. 1:22 boot time. =| |
| 23:56.28 | nkuttler | sandman: google securing debian, apt-cache search security, use logcheck, tiger, etc... |
| 23:56.29 | ekekos | hey! reboot don't reboot!!!! |
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| 23:56.49 | Azar | fsked bootloader |
| 23:56.55 | sciboy | ekekos: ? |
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| 23:57.13 | jkern | ekekos, try to tell everyone where it stopped |
| 23:57.20 | ekekos | sciboy: i do reboot under root and do nothing |
| 23:57.37 | Azar | I think his heart jumped too far, let him catch his breath |
| 23:57.48 | ekekos | jkern: how can i see where it stopped? |
| 23:58.04 | sciboy | I am using a laptop here, so i switch it on and off ALOT, boot times matter to me. |
| 23:58.07 | jkern | ekekos, you mean that the reboot command does nothing? |
| 23:58.18 | sciboy | For starters, i don't need Apache2 and SMBD running on startup. |
| 23:58.20 | ekekos | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 23:58.26 | jkern | ekekos, try shutdown -r now |
| 23:58.27 | ekekos | is the only |
| 23:58.31 | *** join/#debian chilon (n=Asimert@85.97.11.86) |
| 23:58.36 | maher | sciboy: why do you have apache2 on your laptop? |
| 23:58.39 | *** join/#debian MPiilseaaa (n=gufjives@62.162.221.39) |
| 23:58.44 | *** part/#debian MPiilseaaa (n=gufjives@62.162.221.39) |
| 23:58.48 | nkuttler | sciboy: rcconf |
| 23:58.55 | nkuttler | maher: development? |
| 23:59.08 | maher | sciboy: update-rc.d -f apache2 remove |
| 23:59.12 | sciboy | maher: I host games etc. while at school, all the php scripts that i use need it. |
| 23:59.14 | ekekos | jkern: is the same, i think is for the eternity sleeping process |
| 23:59.31 | Azar | maher, the latest update I did last night gets apache2.. |
| 23:59.56 | Azar | is a security update |
| 23:59.59 | maher | sciboy: hotplug is slow - look for the perl version which is meant to be faster |
