| 00:00.01 | eeyore- | HAMM3R: so, "hamm3r" user can connect and read/write as he pleases :) what's wrong with that? |
| 00:00.12 | abrotman | that's bad! |
| 00:00.13 | liable | whitehorse1: its a fairly interesting read, if its all still there.. |
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| 00:00.17 | matiu | sward, only laziness/business or arrogance ;) |
| 00:00.17 | eeyore- | HAMM3R: are YOU connected to the share as the "hamm3r" user? |
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| 00:00.31 | matiu | I just don't want to wait though :( |
| 00:00.37 | eeyore- | HAMM3R: smbstatus |
| 00:00.38 | sgeigerbot | Where can one get transset? |
| 00:00.40 | sward | matiu: You would do well to contact them :) |
| 00:00.44 | HAMM3R | It seems thats right. However i cant seem to locate the /var/www directory in network neighborhood. Yes, im logged in as hamm3r |
| 00:00.52 | sgeigerbot | It's not in debian?! :-) |
| 00:00.53 | streuner | sgeigerbot: you cant |
| 00:01.00 | streuner | no |
| 00:01.03 | matiu | sward, Thanks sward I'll do that now |
| 00:01.06 | eeyore- | HAMM3R: ok, then in THAT case you haven't defined the share for /var/www |
| 00:01.16 | HAMM3R | I seemed to be locked in my /home/hamm3r directory |
| 00:01.19 | eeyore- | HAMM3R: dude. i'm gonna come over and beat you with a clue-by-four now |
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| 00:01.27 | HAMM3R | :O |
| 00:01.32 | interbird | eeyore-: I've had different results between samba versions, but I understand and know what you mean. Ever used acl's also ? |
| 00:01.34 | eeyore- | HAMM3R: edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 00:01.41 | steveO_Office | LOL |
| 00:01.47 | HAMM3R | lol i was about to mention that |
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| 00:01.53 | eeyore- | interbird: yeah, used ACL's pretty often when the file server was still debian |
| 00:01.57 | sgeigerbot | streuner: What are Debian users using instead? Surely debian users are using xorg for transparent windows. |
| 00:01.58 | sward | matiu: You may be able to find someone in #twisted to discuss more real-time |
| 00:02.01 | whitehorse1 | liable: I read it this morning (gmt) er well yesterday morning now & it only had a single wishlist item reporting the bug; I'll have another gander at it now |
| 00:02.01 | beardy | !n00b |
| 00:02.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
| 00:02.02 | matiu | sward, What do you think about having an exe-twisted that conflicts and provides the other twisted package, for the meantime at least? |
| 00:02.08 | SpinX | memory leak in 2.6.8? I have 704MB of ram, says I have 9.2% free.. |
| 00:02.08 | beardy | !newbie |
| 00:02.08 | dpkg | i guess newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 00:02.13 | beardy | !noob |
| 00:02.13 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 00:02.14 | HAMM3R | :O |
| 00:02.15 | eeyore- | interbird: and yes, you're right. samba is a moving game. |
| 00:02.16 | beardy | damn.. |
| 00:02.21 | Vantage__ | hi, i just upgrade from kernel 2.6.11 to 2.6.12 and for some reason now I can't switch to virtual terminals. i get some error about atkbd.c and setting key codes. any idea if it's a module that's not loading or something? |
| 00:02.23 | beardy | ignore the other two |
| 00:02.24 | matiu | sward, yeah, our patch is in twisted, but hasn't been released yet... |
| 00:02.34 | liable | whitehorse1: oh |
| 00:02.49 | streuner | sgeigerbot: maybe they make those debs by themselves? |
| 00:02.55 | sward | matiu: I don't see a problem if it doesn't break anything, check debian policy on that |
| 00:03.12 | interbird | eeyore-: I always wondered why connecting from a doze-box honors acl's and connecting within linux does not. |
| 00:03.17 | eeyore- | what the hell is "twisted"? |
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| 00:03.29 | beardy | !info twisted sarge |
| 00:03.30 | sward | eeyore-: http://twistedmatrix.com/ |
| 00:03.49 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: apt-cache show python-twisted |
| 00:03.56 | compguymac | anyone to help getting video to work on a dell L800CXE |
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| 00:04.13 | streuner | compguymac: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 00:04.15 | steveO_Office | help if you can please... I have 2 harddrives 1 40g and 1 300g layed out as follows 40g= /boot - / - /var - office and 300g as /home set up for the users everything goes fine up to the point of installing the base system when im get base system failed. If I use one 1 harddrive all is well what am I needing to do to get this to work? |
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| 00:04.35 | waterski | how do i configure cmos to boot from a cdrom drive? |
| 00:04.44 | eeyore- | can someone summarize in a sentence or two why i still would want to code services in twisted? |
| 00:04.51 | streuner | waterski: BIOS? |
| 00:04.54 | Guerin | steveO_Office: base failing to install has nothing to do with your harddisk configuration |
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| 00:05.15 | beardy | waterski: In your BIOS. If it's supported. |
| 00:05.17 | whitehorse1 | liable yeah still just the one bugreport; does cover the issue tho. it's from erm someone for whom English is not their native language I think, so that'll probably slow things. Ah well nvm. |
| 00:05.29 | waterski | streuner: yea, but i got a new motherboard and the menu is alot different from my old one, and i cant figure out how to get it to boot from the cd drive |
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| 00:05.30 | sward | eeyore-: Because it's easy (but that's arguable) |
| 00:05.35 | streuner | waterski: if NOT, just boot from floppy and use CDROM |
| 00:05.35 | steveO_Office | Guerin, ok thanks |
| 00:05.39 | matiu | I'm making my .deb for ubunutu, is there reason why it might work on ubuntu but not on debian? |
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| 00:05.51 | streuner | waterski: read your mobo-manual |
| 00:05.56 | beardy | waterski: Read every line of the menu very slowly, until you find it? :) |
| 00:05.56 | steveO_Office | raiding them then grrr |
| 00:06.00 | interbird | steveO_Office: Check your hardware drive-jumper-settings -- one must be master and one must be slave -- CS (cable-select) can cause problems) |
| 00:06.12 | whitehorse1 | matiu make it for debian then? |
| 00:06.14 | Guerin | steveO_Office: raiding a 40G and a 300G? Wtf? |
| 00:06.16 | waterski | beardy: been repeatd twice |
| 00:06.16 | steveO_Office | k |
| 00:06.19 | liable | whitehorse1: yeah its gone, there was a fairly heated discussion about a month back about it. |
| 00:06.21 | eeyore- | sward: but, if i don't yet know it, what would make me want to wrap my brain around yet another (looks comprehensive) framework? why not stick with C? or something home-grown? |
| 00:06.22 | waterski | beardy: i feel like a dumbass |
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| 00:06.26 | steveO_Office | lol |
| 00:06.57 | beardy | waterski: try again, different manufacturers always love to come up with different names and different locations for things.. |
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| 00:07.03 | matiu | whitehorse1, thanks but I'm asking if anyone knows if there are any significant package/filesystem differences between ubuntu and debian? |
| 00:07.11 | ShenLong | hello |
| 00:07.11 | whitehorse1 | liable what's gone sorry? a package from testing you mean? |
| 00:07.18 | eeyore- | sward: although i have to give it that the "examples" network servers look deceptively simple |
| 00:07.18 | waterski | beardy: this is what i get for buying it second hand... |
| 00:07.19 | liable | whitehorse1: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332 |
| 00:07.26 | doleyb | matiu: yes, debian has 20x the packages |
| 00:07.36 | Guerin | matiu: there is. |
| 00:07.41 | compguymac | its not a laptop |
| 00:07.42 | steveO_Office | Thats Y i didnt wont to raid them but its got somthing fuck up going so will pull apart the server again |
| 00:07.44 | sward | eeyore-: Then stick with C. Some bits of Twisted I personally don't like.. |
| 00:07.47 | Guerin | !drxx compguymac |
| 00:07.48 | dpkg | compguymac: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:07.51 | compguymac | its a pc that has a intel onboard videocard |
| 00:07.55 | HAMM3R | Ok in smb.conf the "path" is set to / |
| 00:07.58 | beardy | waterski, why quit, buying it in first hand would have been the same.. |
| 00:07.58 | compguymac | how do i get that driver? |
| 00:08.01 | streuner | oh |
| 00:08.02 | matiu | Guerin, So there's a high possibility that I'll have to make one deb for ubuntu and one for debian? |
| 00:08.05 | ShenLong | i am pretty new to unix OSes and i am wondering if debian is much more suitable as a development machine and also a server than freebsd |
| 00:08.09 | compguymac | i already know all that |
| 00:08.17 | streuner | compguymac: did you read the factoid yet? |
| 00:08.21 | matiu | Guerin, is there a url or something that lists the differences? |
| 00:08.24 | sward | eeyore-: I'm the other way around, I have more experience with Twisted than I do coding the same in C |
| 00:08.28 | Guerin | matiu: yeah. You'll need to build against different libraries, for a start. |
| 00:08.30 | eeyore- | sward: no, this is a serious question not just to be contentius :) i am looking to do some network server/client soon now and i wouldn't mind something quick ... as in quick prototyping |
| 00:08.32 | Guerin | matiu: no. |
| 00:08.35 | streuner | haha |
| 00:08.42 | compguymac | streuner: factoid? |
| 00:08.49 | streuner | compguymac: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 00:08.58 | compguymac | what do u mean laptop? |
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| 00:09.00 | streuner | compguymac: /message bot factoid |
| 00:09.01 | compguymac | its not a laotop |
| 00:09.02 | beardy | ShenLong: That depends entirely, or mostly, on your personal preference and what you like. The answer you get here is, debian is nice. |
| 00:09.03 | compguymac | laptop |
| 00:09.06 | matiu | ShenLong, the best distro for development is Gentoo :) |
| 00:09.17 | Guerin | matiu: the FORMAT of the packages is the same, it's just that there are spme specific changes. |
| 00:09.20 | ShenLong | ok |
| 00:09.21 | Guerin | matiu: oh, what bullshit. |
| 00:09.22 | eeyore- | sward: thing of it is ... i'm waffling between pure C/gtk vs python/roll-your-own-UI |
| 00:09.26 | compguymac | streuner: can u say anyhitng other then /msg ? |
| 00:09.28 | streuner | oh, my bad |
| 00:09.35 | eeyore- | sward: every seen the "pycar" project? looks like the thing is home-grown UI system |
| 00:09.41 | eeyore- | s/every/ever |
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| 00:09.46 | streuner | compguymac: yes, visit intel website and search for |
| 00:09.50 | sward | eeyore-: No |
| 00:10.01 | matiu | Guerin, no, it's true, because you have to compile everything you also get "development" versions of all package automatically |
| 00:10.12 | Guerin | matiu: that doesn't mean a thing. |
| 00:10.17 | dondelelcaro | matiu: uh, no, that's not true at all. |
| 00:10.19 | whitehorse1 | liable reading it now ... :) I think it gives me my answer! sigh... |
| 00:10.24 | eeyore- | matiu: keep your opinions to yourself (btw, i use gentoo as well, but i don't think it's the greatest thing since slice bread) |
| 00:10.30 | beardy | !start a distro war |
| 00:10.30 | dpkg | Progeny sux0rz! |
| 00:10.32 | eeyore- | matiu: some things about gentoo are pretty fucked |
| 00:10.47 | eeyore- | matiu: they're all screwed to a certain extent ... all distros |
| 00:10.53 | litage | how do you rotate all pages in a pdf 90CW? |
| 00:10.57 | Guerin | package repository integrity being one of the main ones |
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| 00:11.04 | Guerin | litage: use something in pdftk |
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| 00:11.22 | matiu | I'm just saying it has the slight advantage for developers in that you don't need to keep going apt-get install xxx-dev :) |
| 00:11.26 | eeyore- | sward: is there something python-ish that'll let me do gtk/gnome native ui? |
| 00:11.26 | beardy | litage: CW? |
| 00:11.47 | Guerin | matiu: right .. an advantage far outweighed by using a non-broken packaging system. |
| 00:11.48 | sward | eeyore-: Yes! pygtk :) |
| 00:11.57 | litage | beardy: clockwise |
| 00:11.58 | eeyore- | sward: how about pygnome? |
| 00:12.09 | beardy | litage: ah, thanks |
| 00:12.13 | sward | eeyore-: I think it exists, never used it |
| 00:12.28 | liable | whitehorse1: i have had udev on hold since 0.6 came out, if you have a .12 kernel it works, but if you have an older kernel, then that will fail to work if you boot into it.. |
| 00:12.33 | eeyore- | matiu: if you have specific reasons for cheering gentoo, by all means. but having *.so is pretty lame. |
| 00:12.38 | dondelelcaro | matiu: that's rarely (if ever) an issue. |
| 00:12.45 | eeyore- | matiu: btw, do you know about fix_libtools_files.sh? |
| 00:12.56 | Lilldude_ | liable fresh one here already |
| 00:12.58 | matiu | eeyore-, no, what it that? |
| 00:12.59 | sward | eeyore-: http://www.pymedia.org/ <-- is that what you were talking about? |
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| 00:13.02 | dondelelcaro | matiu: if you're actualy developing for something, you know what the dependencies are, you install them once, and you're done. |
| 00:13.05 | eeyore- | sward: yes, exactly |
| 00:13.31 | eeyore- | matiu: so, you develop on gentoo yet you don't know how to keep your house clean? please, do gentoo a favour and don't advocate. it'd just look stupid. |
| 00:13.53 | mfrisch | ;-) |
| 00:13.54 | eeyore- | matiu: fix_libtools_files.sh fixes hardcoded paths libtools insert into *.la files |
| 00:13.56 | matiu | eeyore-, :P |
| 00:14.14 | matiu | eeyore-, thanks for the info... :) |
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| 00:15.40 | eeyore- | matiu: how about "revdep-rebuild"? |
| 00:15.48 | eeyore- | (ok, that's the last gentoo trivia for today) |
| 00:15.54 | whitehorse1 | liable meh yep thats the position I'm in, older kernel (.8). Prob is altho I haven't updated it yet so udev's fine, I can't put it on hold since testing's version of hal requires udev0.6x. As you know of course |
| 00:16.00 | whitehorse1 | :) |
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| 00:16.04 | matiu | eeyore-, no idea about that either |
| 00:16.14 | liable | whitehorse1: put hal on hold too! |
| 00:16.15 | Fluten | can i set up a wireless network and have a linux box act as an access point? |
| 00:16.24 | dondelelcaro | ugh. the fact that you have to run a separate command to rebuild the reverse dependencies is insanity |
| 00:16.24 | Guerin | Fluten: i dunno, can you? |
| 00:16.26 | Fluten | or is it best to use a hardware access point? |
| 00:16.37 | eeyore- | matiu: if you keep upgrading your gentoo box, pretty soon your already-compiled program will refer to old versions of libraries that have since been removed. "revdep-rebuild" makes sure you don't get broken runtime-linking. |
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| 00:16.44 | liable | whitehorse1: which may hold back other shit of course.. |
| 00:16.47 | eeyore- | matiu: qpkg -nc -d -v? |
| 00:16.53 | Fluten | Guerin, no idea ^^ |
| 00:16.58 | whitehorse1 | liable yesss.. lol |
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| 00:17.05 | Guerin | Fluten: it is possible. |
| 00:17.05 | matiu | eeyore-, stop showing off matey! |
| 00:17.05 | eeyore- | i could go on ... there are some annoying things about gentoo, but overall, i like it :-) |
| 00:17.18 | eeyore- | matiu: i'm not showing off. it's things i do so god damn often! |
| 00:17.29 | eeyore- | matiu: i would just wish it's done automatically :-p |
| 00:17.42 | Guerin | yeah |
| 00:17.42 | sward | matiu: Hey! I thought that pirate lark had ended! :) |
| 00:17.46 | matiu | eeyore-, I've never had any probs like that with my gentoo boxes yet |
| 00:17.55 | Guerin | i don't even use my gentoo install nowadays, it's that broken |
| 00:18.00 | eeyore- | matiu: must not "emerge -uDpv world" a whole lot :) |
| 00:18.14 | matiu | Guerin, I have the same with an old debian install ;) |
| 00:18.23 | dondelelcaro | matiu: so fix it |
| 00:18.24 | whitehorse1 | liable sadly can't put hal on hold. I'd have to instead rollback hal to a version earlier than that in testing. it's already broken now due to the udev factor |
| 00:18.37 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's that difficult to keep a Debian install working |
| 00:18.45 | matiu | dondelelcaro, it's about 1.5 years old now, better to reinstall I think |
| 00:18.48 | Guerin | matiu: then you must be doing some crazy shit like mixing repositories, becasue with minimal effort you can keep debian clean for years |
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| 00:18.52 | liable | whitehorse1: roll it back to previous version, should be in your cache. |
| 00:18.53 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 00:18.57 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: i think i'm drawing the line at gentoo :) but maybe in a year or so you'll see me in ... ubuntu! |
| 00:19.01 | streuner | heh |
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| 00:19.15 | sward | matiu: 1.5 years.. still woody then? :) |
| 00:19.25 | whitehorse1 | liable Should I not have deleted that cache? g & :facedesk: |
| 00:19.26 | matiu | sward, yes, woody |
| 00:19.30 | Gnea | ugh |
| 00:19.35 | matiu | and that was upgraded from the one before that |
| 00:19.37 | Gnea | i think openvpn just caught something nasty today |
| 00:19.40 | matiu | Although we |
| 00:19.43 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: can i ask questions about ubuntu in here, then? will you guys make exceptions? :-) |
| 00:19.50 | Gnea | it won't fscking restart right |
| 00:19.53 | Guerin | eeyore-: haha |
| 00:19.54 | matiu | we've got a server running woody that's been going strong for years |
| 00:20.03 | dondelelcaro | s/sarge/sid/ |
| 00:20.07 | eeyore- | Guerin: fat chance is what i'm hearing |
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| 00:20.15 | beardy | eeyore-: You can try everything once. |
| 00:20.23 | Guerin | eeyore-: just do what everyone else does and pretend it's debian |
| 00:20.30 | mentor | eeyore-: `Certianly, we'll even ban you if you want :P |
| 00:20.35 | Guerin | eeyore-: it's not like we can ban you |
| 00:20.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:20.44 | Guerin | ok, maybe we can |
| 00:21.22 | streuner | exeptions state rules |
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| 00:22.16 | streuner | eeyore-: is that your decision or someone else? |
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| 00:23.04 | eeyore- | streuner: decision regarding what? |
| 00:23.25 | streuner | eeyore-: if you run ubuntu, debian or gentoo or whatever? |
| 00:23.30 | grendal_prime | this may be a stupid question...what is this glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible! |
| 00:23.41 | baroni | Please , i need help. I'm having this same problem when trying to install/upgrade or dist-upgrade my system: http://www.archivum.info/linux.debian.bugs.dist/2005-09/msg01289.html |
| 00:23.43 | eeyore- | streuner: running ubuntu? nah, was a joke. i've gone through many distros it's not funny :) i'm hoping gentoo is the last, in concurrent with debian. |
| 00:23.44 | baroni | How can i fix it please? |
| 00:23.45 | grendal_prime | i never had this problem untill i upgraded to xserver-org |
| 00:24.04 | eeyore- | streuner: i'm pretty sure work-wise, we'll stick with RHEL and debian (unofficially) |
| 00:24.13 | grendal_prime | gentoo is a bit slow to compile...but its a quick os when its running |
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| 00:24.24 | grendal_prime | the whole damn thing is comiled |
| 00:24.35 | dondelelcaro | baroni: what about it? |
| 00:24.50 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: you don't have DRI support for your chip, perhaps? |
| 00:24.56 | grendal_prime | anyone have preference ofer xfree86 vs xorg? |
| 00:25.03 | Guerin | i found it no faster than debian, tbh. And about ten times the hassle to get working. And about ten times the hassle to keep in a non-broken state. |
| 00:25.09 | baroni | dondelelcaro: ops, sorry, this is the same message: http://www.archivum.info/linux.debian.bugs.dist/2005-09/msg04352.html |
| 00:25.09 | grendal_prime | dri worked fine with xfree86 |
| 00:25.13 | eeyore- | xorg, it will become the dominant X implementation |
| 00:25.14 | Guerin | grendal_prime: they're practically the same. |
| 00:25.17 | beardy | grendal_prime: No, you wont have a choice soon anyway, will you? |
| 00:25.21 | p8m | debian is compiled too |
| 00:25.24 | gravity | s/will become/is/ |
| 00:25.24 | baroni | DPKG errors! |
| 00:25.25 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 00:25.25 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 327190 |
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| 00:25.29 | dpkg | #327190:G[libdjvulibre15] libdjvulibre15: Should conflict against *all* versions of libdjvulibre1; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:33:02 UTC |
| 00:25.30 | gravity | Welcome to the future |
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| 00:25.45 | Guerin | grendal_prime: i find xfree has marginally lower resource requirements on some hardware, but no reason to change. |
| 00:25.52 | baroni | uhm.. thanks dondelelcaro .. but how can i fix it now ? |
| 00:25.55 | eeyore- | gravity: it *is* already? |
| 00:25.55 | dondelelcaro | baroni: welcome to unstable; just use a --force-overwrite option to dpkg. |
| 00:26.00 | mfrisch | I kpkg a kernel using the .config from a working kernel, it stops loading vfs |
| 00:26.15 | eeyore- | gravity: i don't think it *is* until RHEL ships it ... (yeah, like it or not) |
| 00:26.19 | gravity | eeyore-: Where is it not? |
| 00:26.21 | baroni | ummmmm... thanks soooo much dondelelcaro :) |
| 00:26.23 | grendal_prime | grrrr well im getting all sorts of werid problems with this thing now... |
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| 00:26.34 | gravity | Meh |
| 00:26.37 | cheal | gravity: debian testing already ships it |
| 00:26.39 | gravity | eeyore-: RHEL doesn't mean shit |
| 00:26.40 | cheal | oops |
| 00:26.44 | cheal | eeyore-: : debian testing already ships it |
| 00:27.00 | eeyore- | cheal: i use sid. ;-) |
| 00:27.00 | beardy | gravity: Isn't that what it means? |
| 00:27.22 | cheal | eeyore-: that implies that sid uses it too |
| 00:27.27 | gravity | eeyore-: RH has completely thrown in with Xorg. XFree86 is done with for the forseeable future in all places. |
| 00:27.49 | grendal_prime | 3d acceleration seems to be working ok |
| 00:27.50 | grendal_prime | 1465 frames in 5.0 seconds = 293.000 FPS |
| 00:27.56 | eeyore- | cheal: of course, i've been using xorg for quite some time |
| 00:27.59 | baroni | dondelelcaro: how does i give this option to dpkg by using apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 00:28.06 | Guerin | grendal_prime: that's pretty weak, really. |
| 00:28.15 | grendal_prime | ya well shared memory |
| 00:28.18 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: chip? |
| 00:28.20 | grendal_prime | dell laptop |
| 00:28.22 | Guerin | grendal_prime: about what my tnt2 from 2000 gets |
| 00:28.30 | Guerin | no, wait, the tnt2 gets about 400 |
| 00:28.47 | grendal_prime | how can i tell if dri is loading |
| 00:28.48 | grendal_prime | lsmod |
| 00:28.50 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 00:28.50 | eeyore- | Guerin: it would depend on the test huh? |
| 00:28.54 | eeyore- | Guerin: glxgears? |
| 00:28.58 | dvs | dpyinfo? |
| 00:29.00 | Guerin | eeyore-: glxgears is what he's on about, |
| 00:29.10 | eeyore- | Guerin: i'd be pretty freaked if your tnt2 gets 400 fps |
| 00:29.14 | eeyore- | Guerin: in ut2k4 :) |
| 00:29.20 | Guerin | eeyore-: haha |
| 00:29.36 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: xdpyinfo |
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| 00:29.46 | Guerin | i found that nvidia gave a slight performance DECREASE in 2d over nv, so I switched back. |
| 00:30.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: force-overwrite is <reply> The reason you have been told to use --force-overwrite is because some packages in unstable are buggy and either have missing Conflicts: or contain files that they shouldn't. Check the BTS and make sure that a bug has been filed about the package in question (ask me about <bts>) then run dpkg -i --force-confmiss /path/to/.deb or apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <foopackagename>; |
| 00:30.02 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 00:30.25 | dondelelcaro | baroni: see above. |
| 00:30.26 | eeyore- | Guerin: sheeeeet, i found latest nvidia drivers have zero performance (that is, it locks up) :) |
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| 00:30.29 | grendal_prime | XFree86-DRI |
| 00:30.32 | grendal_prime | list that |
| 00:30.36 | baroni | dondelelcaro: yeah, i saw, thanks :) |
| 00:30.37 | grendal_prime | and alot of other stuff |
| 00:30.38 | Guerin | eeyore-: nice. |
| 00:30.50 | grendal_prime | thats a pretty cool little command |
| 00:31.07 | eeyore- | Guerin: usually locks up when scrolling around. lots of people encounter it. no resolution yet. |
| 00:31.12 | grendal_prime | ive heard that several times about nvidia |
| 00:31.16 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: force-overwrite =~ s/confmiss/overwrite/ |
| 00:31.16 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
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| 00:31.28 | Guerin | eeyore-: that's why i never bothered until recently. |
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| 00:32.20 | nyterukh | good evening |
| 00:32.46 | baroni | dondelelcaro: yes! worked :) thanks friend :) |
| 00:32.49 | eeyore- | Guerin: doesn't take out the machine, though. it's just the x server stops doing anything useful. mouse still moves. can telnet/ssh in. console switching not working, no events processed by X server (other than the mouse moving) |
| 00:33.28 | eeyore- | first time that happened i though, dang, my internet connection sure is slow today :-p |
| 00:33.32 | whitehorse1 | liable Thanks, finally finished reading that bugreport! :o) It does beg the question Why this Marco chap hasn't been removed from maintainership of the Debian package, given his pigheaded attitude & approach to this |
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| 00:33.40 | nyterukh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.54 | gravity | whitehorse1: He'll accept patches if you want to send them |
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| 00:34.05 | romulo | debhelper, mplayer? |
| 00:34.10 | Guerin | eeyore-: nice. |
| 00:34.43 | liable | whitehorse1: its a fair old read innit. :) |
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| 00:35.03 | Guerin | my wife's xorg freaked out yesterday, started burning cpu time like anything ... i'm not sure if it's connected to recently-solved hardware issues on that same machine, though, so ... |
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| 00:35.08 | at0m|c | nyterukh, a basic install w ssh working got mine going... |
| 00:35.15 | abrotman | gravity: that was a joke right ? |
| 00:35.18 | whitehorse1 | gravity Can I send him the Debian developers' manuals and introduce him to the man pages for apt-get instead please? |
| 00:35.34 | gravity | abrotman: Sorta |
| 00:35.48 | whitehorse1 | abrotman I hoped that too - so went with that thought |
| 00:35.51 | whitehorse1 | liable amen! |
| 00:35.53 | gravity | whitehorse1: He knows what he's doing. He just... well, I'm not going to talk about it. If you want, you can take over for him. |
| 00:35.59 | gravity | I don't think many people will mind |
| 00:36.16 | gravity | But someone has to actually take on the packages in his place. That doesn't just happen. |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | gravity: given what i've read on planet.d.n .. i can't imagine him accepting anything .. even his DD pink slip :) |
| 00:36.40 | gravity | abrotman: A lot of things he says he'll accept patches for. He's just too lazy to write things himself sometimes. |
| 00:36.45 | nyterukh | k just want to make sure.got the line going from the modem->router->this deb system..then im going to connect the second to this one |
| 00:36.50 | abrotman | gravity: seems he likes to argue ! :) |
| 00:37.09 | gravity | I'm not trying to defend him. Just hoping someone will actually put in the elbow grease to fix things the way they want. |
| 00:37.16 | whitehorse1 | gravity Well, I have been a Linux user for a consistent fortnight now. It's about time I decided to become a debian package maintainer. :) P.S H0w doo eye progrAm thinGs? |
| 00:37.23 | gravity | heh |
| 00:37.31 | abrotman | with your ear |
| 00:37.47 | nyterukh | lol |
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| 00:38.12 | whitehorse1 | abrotman thank you; I'd been using another appendage by mistake! .....They don't let me use the public library computers anymore now |
| 00:38.14 | nyterukh | lemme learn a bit more about debian an linux before i contribute.... |
| 00:38.34 | compaq | allo |
| 00:38.34 | at0m|c | 'with my ears' is what hendrix andswered on how he played the guitar |
| 00:38.46 | at0m|c | *answered |
| 00:39.12 | whitehorse1 | at0m|c aah. that's cool, didn';t know that. ot: my dad saw him @ the Isle of Wight festival. |
| 00:39.14 | gravity | You don't have to be a programmer to contribute, but it's a good idea. |
| 00:39.19 | compguymac | how do i unpack a .tgz file? |
| 00:39.23 | at0m|c | :) |
| 00:39.25 | dvs | !tar |
| 00:39.25 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 00:39.27 | gravity | compguymac: tar -zxf foo |
| 00:39.46 | sgeigerbot | compguymac: apt-get install unp; unp <file> |
| 00:39.55 | eeyore- | how about someone make a command "i" |
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| 00:40.04 | eeyore- | as in ... "i want to extract foo.tar.gz" |
| 00:40.10 | dvs | eeyore-: alias? |
| 00:40.16 | eeyore- | this will have to be a pretty damn cool command, though |
| 00:40.25 | gravity | wtf comes close I guess |
| 00:40.28 | compguymac | its a intel driver though |
| 00:40.33 | compguymac | upn will work? |
| 00:40.39 | abrotman | !i |
| 00:40.39 | dpkg | hmm... i is the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
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| 00:40.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: like that ? |
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| 00:41.24 | eeyore- | abrotman: it misses "the key between u and o" |
| 00:41.26 | DEbian_testing | Hi! |
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| 00:41.35 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:41.36 | DEbian_testing | I want to register a channel. |
| 00:41.38 | whitehorse1 | gravity it's essential to have coding skills to contribute to developmt though (aside from qa & bug reports p'raps). I contribute a lot to another opensource project tho. hope to develop programming skills eg in perl when my *nix install is a-ok and stable |
| 00:41.49 | DEbian_testing | Do you know how to do it? |
| 00:42.02 | sward | eeyore-: Funny, 'i' appears to be between 'u' and 'd' |
| 00:42.10 | factor | does anyone know of a linux driver for the lightscribe CD technology? |
| 00:42.13 | whitehorse1 | debian_testing: try the freenode website? |
| 00:42.20 | gravity | whitehorse1: Cool |
| 00:42.31 | compguymac | sgeigerbot: apt-get install unp; unp <file> that doesent work |
| 00:43.23 | DEbian_testing | whitehorse1: I went to www.freenode.net and I had not found information about that |
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| 00:43.57 | odatubuntu | anyone have any experiece with samba? |
| 00:43.58 | streuner | DEbian_testing: /msg chanserv help |
| 00:44.07 | eeyore- | sward: only lusers use non-qwerty keyboards |
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| 00:44.21 | cheal | !tell odatubuntu about anyone |
| 00:44.21 | odatubuntu | ok i can access my xp shared directory from my linux box, i can see my linux box on xp but i can't access anything on it any suggestions? |
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| 00:44.33 | usr13 | New user here... X-RHer |
| 00:44.42 | whitehorse1 | Debian_testing here: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml |
| 00:44.43 | odatubuntu | and/or how to i enable guest/all user access |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | dvs: hyre? |
| 00:44.58 | cheal | odatubuntu: a linux box? running what OS? |
| 00:45.20 | dvs | abrotman: huh? What cha talkin' bout abrotman? |
| 00:45.29 | eeyore- | odatubuntu: log in to linux with a real username |
| 00:45.33 | abrotman | dvs: i'm still learning dvorak :) |
| 00:45.36 | sward | eeyore-: I didn't know lusers knew about any other keyboard layouts |
| 00:45.39 | dvs | abrotman: O I C |
| 00:45.44 | eeyore- | sward: :) |
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| 00:45.48 | odatubuntu | cheal: ubuntu |
| 00:46.07 | eeyore- | sward: it's pretty common. they don't pay attention to the first few debian installer menus and they end up with interesting keymaps |
| 00:46.09 | odatubuntu | eeyor-, i don't get any type of login prompt |
| 00:46.13 | eeyore- | sward: just kidding, btw |
| 00:46.26 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:46.27 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 00:46.28 | eeyore- | odatubuntu: so you connect to the linux box as what, guest? |
| 00:46.31 | whitehorse1 | debian_testing: also http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#general |
| 00:47.12 | sward | eeyore-: Yesterday's keyboard: http://www.arrrrrr.com/ |
| 00:47.25 | compguymac | ok, i got the files extracted but there is no readme about how to install the drivers im in dir: /IEGD_4_0_Linux/Driver/XFree86-4.3 |
| 00:47.34 | compguymac | there is a bunch of files in here but no idea how to install them |
| 00:47.36 | odatubuntu | eeyor-, well i can access all my xp shared stuff with my linux box and i can see the icon for my linux box on my xp networked computers section but i can not access anything |
| 00:48.09 | DEbian_testing | Thak's |
| 00:48.16 | factor | he like the keyboard. |
| 00:48.37 | streuner | odatubuntu: check out #ubuntu |
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| 00:48.51 | streuner | they might know it better than us |
| 00:49.32 | odatubuntu | streuner, i would but i got banned today for bad language :( i was pretty mad earlier |
| 00:49.44 | compguymac | how do i find out what version of XFree86 i have? |
| 00:50.02 | dvs | compguymac: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86? |
| 00:50.03 | stew | compguymac: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:50.07 | streuner | compguymac: X --version |
| 00:50.12 | dvs | stew: copycat ;-P |
| 00:50.20 | gravity | Only one hyphen on -version |
| 00:50.24 | gravity | Annoyingly :-p |
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| 00:51.59 | compguymac | streuner: X -version doesent show the version of xfree86 i have |
| 00:52.10 | streuner | compguymac: X --version |
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| 00:52.28 | compguymac | that command doesent work |
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| 00:52.41 | compguymac | just gives me a bunch of options |
| 00:52.42 | streuner | well, are you using xorg? |
| 00:52.46 | streuner | yep |
| 00:52.52 | compguymac | i ahve no idea |
| 00:52.58 | compguymac | installed debian on the dell |
| 00:53.01 | gravity | compguymac: Did you install X? |
| 00:53.01 | streuner | it was supported by xfree, IIRC |
| 00:53.06 | compguymac | yes |
| 00:53.10 | gravity | compguymac: How? |
| 00:53.22 | compguymac | netinst debian |
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| 00:53.32 | compguymac | just dont have the drivers installed |
| 00:53.33 | gravity | compguymac: How did you install X specifically though? |
| 00:53.35 | compguymac | for the videocard |
| 00:53.41 | vineet | Yeah, X -version works for me: XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 20050601051219 |
| 00:53.44 | nyterukh | sorry just browsing some howto's |
| 00:53.45 | silance | :-) |
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| 00:53.56 | gravity | compguymac: Never mind. Just install x-window-system |
| 00:54.12 | gravity | Why do I even ask for detail? |
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| 00:56.23 | nyterukh | how do i chck my email in bitchx |
| 00:56.25 | _quik | how can I setup remote access for mysqld? |
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| 00:57.08 | asg | _quik: install mysql-doc and read, check /usr/share/doc/mysql*/, and consult #mysql |
| 00:57.18 | Supaplex | _quik: install ssh :P |
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| 00:57.30 | _quik | I have |
| 00:57.31 | eXa_bOy | im getting an 403 forbidden access when going form http to https... very strange. anyone have ideas whats happening? |
| 00:57.33 | mik3 | hello, i'm about to install debian, any words of wisdom? |
| 00:57.46 | sward | !install debian |
| 00:57.46 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 00:57.47 | asg | mik3: read the install manual |
| 00:57.48 | eXa_bOy | or where i can look for the proble, |
| 00:57.52 | Supaplex | mik3, backup anything you hold dear |
| 00:58.05 | _quik | I'm in a ssh shell, I don't understand how to inset a local mysqldump into the remote server with ssh |
| 00:58.13 | mik3 | Supaplex : well, all of my porn and music are on a seperate hard drive on ext3 fs, should be ok eh? |
| 00:58.23 | interbird | mik3: Choose expert26 |
| 00:58.58 | resiak | _quik: man scp |
| 00:59.03 | secureboot | is there any work being done to incorporate some nice traffic shaping into iptables? tc is NOT nice, so don't mention that. Something like pf has, perhaps? |
| 00:59.06 | Guerin | interbird: that's not wisdom. |
| 00:59.17 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 00:59.23 | Guerin | the only wise thing that's been said thus far is "read the install guide" |
| 00:59.25 | resiak | eXa_bOy: Does the server run ssl stuffs? |
| 00:59.37 | eXa_bOy | "stuffs"? |
| 01:00.00 | Supaplex | right on, stuffs w/ssl support? about time. |
| 01:00.07 | interbird | Guerin: Default 2.4 kernel is wiser than 2.6 and grow wiser during install ? |
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| 01:00.53 | Guerin | interbird: yes. Installation is not a time to be learning new things. If he'd wanted to do that, he'd have been able to after reading the install guide. |
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| 01:01.14 | sward | secureboot: There is simple ratelimiting, I'd say that's all you'll get. tc might be nicer if you use nicer classes/qdiscs.. htb is nice-ish, much nicer than the-other-main-one-whose-name-I-have-forgotten |
| 01:01.16 | Area-51 | i compiled kernel 2.6.13.1 and im trying to reconfigure vmware and its telling me that i compiled the kernel with gcc 3.3.5 but i have 4.0.1-2 installed -- whats up with that? |
| 01:01.33 | Guerin | Area-51: what do you mean what's up with it? |
| 01:01.34 | mik3 | well primarily i run freebsd, but i'm removing ubuntu and moving to debian, seems like the next step up ? |
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| 01:01.50 | eeyore- | Area-51: it's pretty obvious what's up with it |
| 01:01.50 | eXa_bOy | what the hell is stuffs? |
| 01:01.53 | Area-51 | Guerin: how can i compile the kernel with one version of gcc but other apps with another version |
| 01:01.54 | Guerin | Area-51: tell the vmware install to usre the appropriate gcc |
| 01:01.58 | interbird | Guerin: I disagree, much I know is from (failing) installs. |
| 01:02.01 | Guerin | Area-51: very trivially. |
| 01:02.09 | Area-51 | umm? |
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| 01:02.21 | eXa_bOy | i guess then im not running stuffs/. |
| 01:02.21 | whitehorse1 | Area-51 4.0x was installed along the way by a package most likely; AFTER you compiled w/gcc3.3.5. You likely have both gcc versions installed |
| 01:02.24 | Guerin | interbird: you'd have been able to know all that and more from reading the install guides and NOT failing to install. |
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| 01:02.28 | mik3 | that's a lot of knowledge you've gained from failing a simple installation procedure |
| 01:02.45 | eXa_bOy | the certificate is working as its prompted by the browser. after that i get the error/ |
| 01:02.59 | Guerin | Area-51: CC=gcc-3.4; MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4"; etc. |
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| 01:03.11 | Area-51 | Guerin: thanks :) |
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| 01:03.32 | whitehorse1 | I learnt the testing version of the installer had an as yet unreported bug in partman, when I tried & failed to install ;) |
| 01:03.52 | interbird | Guerin: I like to see for myself, and if you were right you're words of wisdom should include ubuntu or fedora or ipensuse ? |
| 01:04.06 | interbird | (opensuse) |
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| 01:04.16 | whitehorse1 | Or Linspire or Kubuntu or.... |
| 01:04.30 | Supaplex | I know, just install them all |
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| 01:04.46 | gravity | He's right |
| 01:04.52 | gravity | You should try a bunch and see what you like. |
| 01:04.54 | compguymac | the readme for installing thies intel drivers is like 5 pages long in instructions for X to work, is there an easier way? |
| 01:05.08 | whitehorse1 | Supaplex And ask about them all in here as you go ;) |
| 01:05.26 | gravity | compguymac: Why are you installing intel drivers? Do the ones that come with X not work for you? |
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| 01:05.43 | compguymac | gravity: which ones come with X? |
| 01:05.44 | abrotman | not in here |
| 01:05.49 | Supaplex | whitehorse1: yea, like ubuntu >:) |
| 01:05.56 | gravity | compguymac: The intel ones certaintly do |
| 01:05.59 | Guerin | interbird: sure thing. Don't your read documentation before you try something? |
| 01:06.09 | compguymac | what are they called, i havent see then |
| 01:06.11 | compguymac | them |
| 01:06.14 | abrotman | i can personally vouch that the intel ones are in sarge |
| 01:06.19 | gravity | compguymac: Try i810 |
| 01:06.21 | abrotman | compguymac: lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:06.40 | hachi | I'm having a problem with devmapper devices not showing up in /dev until after the system tries to mount them... I assume this is a race being caused by udev. Does anyone have a clue how to fix this sort of problem? |
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| 01:07.02 | interbird | Guerin: I prefere not to. |
| 01:07.04 | compguymac | intel corp. 82810CGC rev.03 |
| 01:07.06 | nimak | does openoffice have an option to turn off the smiling lightbulb? |
| 01:07.14 | hachi | hell, does anyone know how to diagnose this sort of problem? |
| 01:07.17 | bgat | anyone having problems with i2o_core on 2.6.12-1? |
| 01:07.26 | streuner | compguymac: so you have tried i810 before? |
| 01:07.28 | kadigibox | Does anyone know of any problems with SATA DVD burners? |
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| 01:07.36 | compguymac | let me make sure i have |
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| 01:08.02 | whitehorse1 | the mozilla website's docs use a wiki for updates; requires registration-/+approval or else a bug can be filed for someone who has the privs to edit the wiki page. p'raps the debian website could do that one day. some day. |
| 01:08.05 | vineet | nimak: yeah, on the help menu, uncheck "help agent" |
| 01:08.05 | nimak | i have no use for it, i dont have openoffice help installed |
| 01:08.08 | nimak | thanks |
| 01:08.19 | compguymac | i810 works, |
| 01:08.21 | interbird | Guerin: Only when the manual has a red cover with bomb-icons on it -- then I know I must be aware, but I still don't read |
| 01:08.24 | streuner | haha |
| 01:08.27 | bgat | I just upgraded to 2.6.12-1-386 from 2.6.8-2-386, now when I boot I get a hang with "iop0: get status timeout" |
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| 01:08.38 | streuner | !congratulate compguymac |
| 01:08.39 | dpkg | Yay compguymac, you did it! |
| 01:08.42 | bgat | 2.6.8-2-386 continues to work fine... |
| 01:08.52 | compguymac | gravity: thankyou |
| 01:08.55 | gravity | compguymac: You're welcome |
| 01:08.57 | gravity | Enjoy |
| 01:08.58 | compguymac | i think i tried all but thoes, lol |
| 01:09.00 | Guerin | interbird: ok. Would you consider this approach wise, and good advice to people looking for advice? |
| 01:09.01 | pmitros | Is there a way to see on what date I installed Debian on this box? Is the date on /var/log/installer.log.1 the actual install date? |
| 01:09.02 | streuner | compguymac: be glad, intel drivers are a bitch to configure... |
| 01:09.22 | asg | pmitros: if it hasn't been rebooted in that time, uptime should help |
| 01:09.27 | secureboot | sward: there is simple ratelimiting? can you give me a keyword to google? |
| 01:09.44 | Area-51 | Guerin: that didnt work, and if it was the case that gcc 4.x.x was installed after compiling (which it wasnt) i tried to recompile and there was nothing to compile... so what should i try next? |
| 01:10.01 | pmitros | asg: Heh. It's been rebooted a few times. It's been at least 4 years. Maybe as many as 8. |
| 01:10.12 | eXa_bOy | anyone know why i would be getting a 403 when going from http to https? |
| 01:10.18 | Guerin | Area-51: you just set those env variables without knowing what they mean? No wonder it didn't work. |
| 01:10.29 | asg | pmitros: didn't know there was an installer.log that far back in time. |
| 01:10.32 | interbird | Guerin: Well, we are diverting from mik3's question -- I found it wise to tell him not to follow the default 2.4 install and use the expert26 to end-up with a 2.6 kernel -- the path is not much harder |
| 01:10.32 | Area-51 | Guerin: did i say that i did? no i didnt |
| 01:10.43 | streuner | eXa_bOy: try #apache |
| 01:10.55 | Guerin | Area-51: no, you didn't say anything. |
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| 01:10.57 | secureboot | is the debian default kernel able to run as a Xen host? |
| 01:11.05 | Supaplex | eXa_bOy: the error log knows all |
| 01:11.13 | Area-51 | Guerin: so then dont assume i did it exactly as you said |
| 01:11.21 | interbird | Guerin: If I said: Just press next-next-next, he'd be back asking questions about 2.4 kernel bugs |
| 01:11.21 | eXa_bOy | thanks |
| 01:11.24 | pmitros | asg: The installer.log shows 2001. I was a bit surprised, 'cause I thought it was more like '99 |
| 01:11.31 | Guerin | pmitros: in /root/ there should be an installation report |
| 01:11.31 | eXa_bOy | which error log? apache? |
| 01:11.38 | Supaplex | eXa_bOy: yes |
| 01:11.45 | eXa_bOy | ta |
| 01:11.54 | pmitros | guerin: Will check |
| 01:12.01 | Guerin | Area-51: so are you going to actually specify what you did, or just leave everyone guessing? |
| 01:12.18 | Guerin | pmitros: the installation report might be a new thing; i'm not sure. |
| 01:12.27 | Area-51 | Guerin: i modified the variables accordingly, or at least according to my knowledge base |
| 01:12.35 | pmitros | guerin: I don't recall having seen it, but I'll look around |
| 01:12.43 | Guerin | Area-51: what the fuck is that supposed to mean? |
| 01:12.59 | Guerin | Area-51: did you wiffle the blondinis? |
| 01:13.12 | asg | Guerin: ooooh, teh wiffling |
| 01:13.15 | Area-51 | Guerin: it means i changed it to fit my environment according to what i knew about |
| 01:13.22 | interbird | Guerin: You think I gave ill advice ? |
| 01:13.22 | Area-51 | and yes, but thats besides the point :P |
| 01:13.24 | pmitros | guerin: Definitely doesn't exist here. |
| 01:13.51 | Guerin | Area-51: how are we supposed to know what you know about. |
| 01:13.51 | RvGaTe | yeeeehaaaa, alive again ! :D |
| 01:14.02 | RvGaTe | oops, sorry :P |
| 01:14.04 | asg | !kill RvGaTe |
| 01:14.13 | Area-51 | Guerin: your not -- but dont assume that i just copied/pasted without modifying |
| 01:14.13 | asg | to make sure |
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| 01:14.43 | Guerin | interbird: i'm cagey of doing things the hard way without reading documentation, vs doing things the easy and just-as-good wat after reading documentation |
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| 01:15.16 | Guerin | Area-51: I don't care anyway. I've never used vmware, all I was demonstrating is one method of choosing a compiler. |
| 01:15.29 | Guerin | Area-51: you're being too obtuse to deserve help. |
| 01:15.39 | asg | Guerin: he could always use qemu |
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| 01:15.46 | Area-51 | Guerin: i realize this, and im saying that it isnt working with what i knew of the commands |
| 01:15.52 | pmitros | Second question. I was using LILO. LILO kept giving me shit (L 99 99... about half the time I reran LILO), so I installed grub. Is running "update-grub; grub-install /dev/hda" adequate, or am I missing something? |
| 01:15.59 | MrRagga | Hello MrRagga. |
| 01:16.17 | MrRagga | Hello rking. |
| 01:16.21 | MrRagga | Hello robertbb_. |
| 01:16.22 | streuner | pmitros: did you read the docs about lilo before? |
| 01:16.23 | MrRagga | Hello ideal. |
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| 01:16.27 | MrRagga | Hello NaoPenseiEmNome. |
| 01:16.27 | asg | MrRagga: stop being a fucking idiot |
| 01:16.28 | abrotman | MrRagga: stop |
| 01:16.31 | MrRagga | Hello secher. |
| 01:16.34 | Guerin | MrRagga: step away from the bong |
| 01:16.35 | RvGaTe | abrotman! :P |
| 01:16.35 | MrRagga | Hello xelpud. |
| 01:16.36 | Area-51 | Guerin: and im being "obtuse"? at least im not being an ass |
| 01:16.40 | interbird | Guerin: I allways find that if a thing does what I think it should do without reading a manual... That's a good thing. If I have to look in the manual, then something is wrong |
| 01:16.43 | Guerin | Area-51: oh, but you are. |
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| 01:16.47 | MrRagga | Hello abrotman. |
| 01:16.54 | Area-51 | Guerin: no, not really |
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| 01:16.58 | secher | I'm about to do a huge update in unstable, like three months worth. any outstanding issues? |
| 01:17.01 | abrotman | !ops MrRagga is some kind of moron who greets people on join |
| 01:17.02 | pmitros | streuner: Yes. "L 99 99..." is the error code for mismatch between BIOS and LILO. It can be caused by about a dozen different things. Royal pain to debug. |
| 01:17.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: MrRagga is some kind of moron who greets people on join |
| 01:17.08 | asg | secher: check the bts |
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| 01:17.09 | MrRagga | Hello dondelelcaro. |
| 01:17.11 | RvGaTe | !ops MrRagga is quite anoying atm... |
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| 01:17.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: MrRagga is quite anoying atm... |
| 01:17.12 | MrRagga | Hello hiux. |
| 01:17.17 | RvGaTe | oh, someone already did |
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| 01:17.23 | abrotman | Rez: thank you |
| 01:17.24 | mwilson | secher: Many. |
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| 01:17.30 | Rez | bone heads |
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| 01:17.38 | streuner | pmitros: the docs didn't describe how to solve it? |
| 01:17.41 | abrotman | that was a damn annoying script :) |
| 01:17.53 | asg | abrotman: was that sunday.pl? |
| 01:17.58 | streuner | haha |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | probably |
| 01:18.03 | RvGaTe | more like hello.pl... |
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| 01:18.17 | abrotman | RvGaTe: are you short? |
| 01:18.17 | bgat | I just upgraded to 2.6.12-1-386 from 2.6.8-2-386, now when I boot I get a hang with "iop0: get status timeout". any ideas? |
| 01:18.20 | pmitros | steuner: No. They didn't. They told what the error code meant. A number of web pages described different solutions people tried to the problem, but the error code covers a fairly broad range of problems. |
| 01:18.32 | RvGaTe | abrotman... what kind of question is that? |
| 01:18.41 | interbird | I will read the car-manual, while I'm driving to see if it also flies, but I don't read no manual to get it started. |
| 01:18.44 | abrotman | RvGaTe: just wondering .. that joke went right over your head |
| 01:18.51 | streuner | pmitros: custom kernel? |
| 01:18.52 | pmitros | steuner: The most common one was solved by putting LILO in "linear" mode. Several others required reconfiguring the BIOS. Some others were just off-the-wall. |
| 01:18.53 | interbird | (flies) |
| 01:19.00 | roby | Is the "Dictionary.com Quick Search" bookmark in Firefox added by Debian or by Firefox? How do I make use of that bookmark? It's got this %s search term, and looks like some shortcut to search for a definition |
| 01:19.04 | pmitros | streuner: Yes. Custom kernel. |
| 01:19.22 | RvGaTe | abrotman: possible, sunday isn't really related to a joke over here... |
| 01:19.33 | streuner | pmitros: uhm, try irc.oftc.net #kernelnewbies |
| 01:19.47 | interbird | Don't you agree apt ? |
| 01:19.57 | RvGaTe | !tell me about sunday |
| 01:20.04 | pmitros | streuner: That shouldn't matter. LILO doesn't get that far. My best guess is that LILO messes up based on where the kernel is placed on the hard drive. It's a 200GB hard drive, with an ancient motherboard. |
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| 01:20.14 | asg | interbird: self-directed heart surgery doesn't come with a manual either; care to try your hand? |
| 01:20.20 | interbird | !tell me about flies |
| 01:20.45 | streuner | pmitros: i thought it was enough to gave you L 99 99 99... |
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| 01:21.02 | RvGaTe | abrotman: would you like to explain it, or isn't it that importent... |
| 01:21.09 | RvGaTe | important |
| 01:21.13 | RvGaTe | or something simular |
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| 01:21.19 | abrotman | RvGaTe: explain sunday? |
| 01:21.21 | pmitros | streuner: Yes. That's as far as it gets. |
| 01:21.25 | interbird | asg: That is someting else; that is a car stopping -- I hope the mechanicien read the manual :-) |
| 01:21.31 | streuner | pmitros: anyway, what happens if you run a offficial kernel? |
| 01:21.32 | RvGaTe | abrotman... the joke, yes please... :) |
| 01:21.49 | abrotman | RvGaTe: it was a stupid lame script .. typical of something that might happen on a sunday in #debian |
| 01:22.13 | pmitros | streuner: Then the system wouldn't boot, since it's a slightly non-standard configuration. But that's a whole different issue. The one at hand is to sanity check whether the two commands for installing grub were adequate. |
| 01:22.25 | RvGaTe | abrotman: has it something do to with the dpkg's explenation about sunday? |
| 01:22.31 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 01:22.31 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 01:23.37 | RvGaTe | abrotman: i gotta warn you tho |
| 01:23.45 | sgeigerbot | compguymac: As root: "apt-get install unp" (without quotes) Then you can do "unp fileToUnpack.tgz" where "fileToUnpack.tgz" is the name of the file you want to unpack. |
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| 01:23.58 | pmitros | Oh well. We'll reboot and try. Worst-case, we'll whip out our FSF boot-CD membership card and try and fix it from there. |
| 01:24.12 | streuner | haha |
| 01:24.12 | RvGaTe | abrotman: i might get drunk again tomorrow... same time... |
| 01:24.26 | abrotman | RvGaTe: /nick Drunken-RvGate |
| 01:24.33 | secher | Feh. my ISP won't up my speed cause I"m already a member. I have to pay extra to get the same speed new signups are getting by default. is that ridiculous or what? sorry, OT, but had to share. |
| 01:24.35 | RvGaTe | ill do that |
| 01:24.40 | RvGaTe | when im drunk |
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| 01:24.50 | Guerin | secher: cancel and sign up again |
| 01:24.57 | Guerin | secher: or just threaten to cancel |
| 01:24.59 | interbird | dpkg: Don't mess with the people, let them mess with you |
| 01:25.10 | abrotman | secher: who is your ISP ? |
| 01:25.15 | RvGaTe | !mess with dpkg |
| 01:25.18 | abrotman | interbird: dpkg is a bot |
| 01:25.21 | RvGaTe | tadaa |
| 01:25.23 | LightVision | why do some dvd-writers have firmware where they lock for region playing? |
| 01:25.26 | asg | !botabuse |
| 01:25.26 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:25.39 | secher | Guerin: did already, and they said it'd take 2 weeks of downtime. abrotman: verizon. |
| 01:25.42 | Guerin | LightVision: because the studios are stupid and evil |
| 01:25.42 | interbird | abrotman: That why |
| 01:25.43 | resiak | LightVision: Because the movie companies are fucktards! |
| 01:25.49 | secher | abrotman: verizon |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | interbird: ok |
| 01:25.57 | RvGaTe | !tell interbird about yourself |
| 01:25.59 | interbird | abrotman: :-) |
| 01:26.03 | Guerin | secher: switch companies |
| 01:26.06 | RvGaTe | (does hat even work?) |
| 01:26.06 | abrotman | secher: you know .. Verizon sucks .. right ? :) |
| 01:26.08 | LightVision | a friend told me his dvd-writer/reader only gave him ability to chose different regions 4 times, and then it locked, so now he cant play different region DVD |
| 01:26.29 | LightVision | resiak: yeah they are! but some dvd-writers dont have this do they? |
| 01:26.31 | resiak | He needs hacked firmware! |
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| 01:26.48 | resiak | LightVision: My DVD reader does not have a region lock, to my great glee. |
| 01:27.02 | interbird | RvGaTe: Don't worry, I'm not from yesterday, ehh, sunday... |
| 01:27.05 | LightVision | resiak: great! but does your dvd reader also write? |
| 01:27.14 | secher | Guerin: I'll prolly do that.. whaddyacallit.. umm.. cavalier is offering 10Mbps & static IP for only fifteen bucks more.. but I'll be out of the water for at least 2 weeks. |
| 01:27.21 | streuner | LightVision: sure |
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| 01:27.25 | abrotman | secher: can you get FIOS ? |
| 01:27.27 | resiak | LightVision: No! |
| 01:27.31 | RvGaTe | interbird: wait, thats a joke! now i need to laugh, *laughs* |
| 01:27.31 | streuner | heh |
| 01:27.36 | secher | abrotman: fios? |
| 01:27.41 | abrotman | secher: i only ask because dan2 lives near west chester .. and he gets FIOS |
| 01:27.42 | Guerin | secher: why? get them to hook it up, and then when it's ready, switch |
| 01:27.42 | abrotman | !fios |
| 01:27.43 | LightVision | resiak: it seems dvd readers are not locked, but dvd writers are |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | well . there used to be a fios factoid .. i thought |
| 01:27.52 | Guerin | secher: downtime =~ 5 minutes |
| 01:27.58 | interbird | RvGaTe: When a coin falls... lol ! |
| 01:28.01 | resiak | LightVision: some readers are ... dunno about writers. |
| 01:28.02 | abrotman | secher: http://www22.verizon.com/FiosForHome/channels/Fios/HighSpeedInternetForHome.asp |
| 01:28.03 | LightVision | streuner: you have a dvd writer that is not locked? |
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| 01:28.23 | streuner | LightVision: i haven't a DVD-Writer |
| 01:28.25 | RvGaTe | interbird: gotta be dutch specific... |
| 01:28.29 | LightVision | ok |
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| 01:28.37 | secher | guerin: needs to be done in CO, and the damn telco won't hustle to lose a customer, if you know what I mean. |
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| 01:28.51 | abrotman | secher: check about fios! |
| 01:28.52 | KaptainKyle | AHOY MATIES |
| 01:28.56 | secher | guerin: CO as in Central Office. |
| 01:28.57 | RvGaTe | maties? |
| 01:28.59 | Buccanneer-Bill | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.59 | KaptainKyle | PREPARE TO BE BOARDED! |
| 01:29.00 | resiak | KaptainKyle: You're 1h28 late. |
| 01:29.02 | secher | abrotman: will do.. |
| 01:29.10 | KaptainKyle | Nah me hearty |
| 01:29.12 | Guerin | Buccanneer-Bill: you're late |
| 01:29.18 | KaptainKyle | it still be 21:00 har |
| 01:29.23 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:29.25 | streuner | trolltime |
| 01:29.25 | Buccanneer-Bill | Give me the grog! |
| 01:29.28 | Guerin | stupid american timezones |
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| 01:29.33 | KaptainKyle | aye |
| 01:29.34 | abrotman | since they both came from #undeadpenguin |
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| 01:29.36 | Buccanneer-Bill | american owns all |
| 01:29.40 | RvGaTe | abrotman: or those typical sunday ppl? |
| 01:29.44 | interbird | RvGaTe: Dunno, isn't there an expression in English: "Hey, I'm not born yesterday u know.." -- apt, be silent about the u :-) |
| 01:29.51 | streuner | RvGaTe: no |
| 01:29.53 | yarrthehotdog | don't listen to buccanneer-bill |
| 01:29.57 | Buccanneer-Bill | fuckin Squiffys! |
| 01:30.04 | KaptainKyle | arrrr |
| 01:30.13 | KaptainKyle | this job be too big for us maties |
| 01:30.13 | abrotman | Buccanneer-Bill: KaptainKyle : you guys done? |
| 01:30.20 | Buccanneer-Bill | Walk the plank! |
| 01:30.22 | RvGaTe | its kinda anoying |
| 01:30.24 | KaptainKyle | Does ye have the doubloons? |
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| 01:30.36 | resiak | interbird: In the time it took you to write "-- apt, ..." you could have just written "you" in the first place. |
| 01:30.40 | Guerin | well |
| 01:30.41 | yarrthehotdog | no they don't! |
| 01:30.42 | woodland | hi i installed kernel 2.6 , but when i boot into it, i get disconnected from net after a while. i used apt-get to install it |
| 01:30.51 | Guerin | at least this particular troll has some sort of topicality |
| 01:30.55 | Buccanneer-Bill | woodland: Spog |
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| 01:30.57 | abrotman | Guerin: still annoying |
| 01:31.00 | yarrthehotdog | these bilge rats have non of what for we be lookin'! |
| 01:31.03 | KaptainKyle | aye hogmeat |
| 01:31.06 | hogmeat | hi |
| 01:31.07 | KaptainKyle | that's a strong name |
| 01:31.12 | Buccanneer-Bill | hogmeat: you been boarded |
| 01:31.15 | KaptainKyle | would ye be interested in joinin me crew |
| 01:31.18 | woodland | buccanneer, what is spog |
| 01:31.21 | interbird | resiak: Yeh, sorry for being so inefficient. |
| 01:31.22 | yarrthehotdog | aye! |
| 01:31.23 | abrotman | Buccanneer-Bill: KaptainKyle please stop |
| 01:31.28 | abrotman | woodland: ignore htem |
| 01:31.31 | yarrthehotdog | a strong name fer strong bastards! |
| 01:31.35 | KaptainKyle | bah |
| 01:31.40 | hogmeat | anyone use fuse to mount ftpfs ? |
| 01:31.41 | streuner | yarthe: could you be less annoying? |
| 01:31.41 | resiak | interbird: :) |
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| 01:31.50 | Buccanneer-Bill | Rase Jolly Roger! |
| 01:31.52 | woodland | abrotman, hi can u help me on this |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | Buccanneer-Bill: stop |
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| 01:31.56 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:31.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:31.59 | interbird | :-) |
| 01:32.08 | secher | abrotman: I should be able to. I'm literally a stones throw from teh CO, and 1100 feet via line distance.. |
| 01:32.08 | Guerin | RvGaTe: at 23:59:59 |
| 01:32.13 | yarrthehotdog | heh |
| 01:32.21 | abrotman | secher: that doesn't matter .. enter your phone number on that site |
| 01:32.25 | abrotman | woodland: which card/driver? |
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| 01:32.32 | RvGaTe | Guerin: its already 03.32 |
| 01:32.35 | resiak | Guerin: ITYM 00:00:00 |
| 01:32.37 | woodland | realtek |
| 01:32.43 | streuner | Di Sep 20 03:32:42 CEST 2005 |
| 01:32.47 | Guerin | RvGaTe: not in their timezone |
| 01:33.00 | Guerin | RvGaTe: anyway, you lie - it's 10:32:25 |
| 01:33.01 | RvGaTe | Guerin: so when is it? :P |
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| 01:33.11 | woodland | abrotman, i can flood output of lspci in #flood |
| 01:33.12 | resiak | RvGaTe: You lie, it's 0233. |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | yay .. all the trolls left |
| 01:33.17 | RvGaTe | everyone lies |
| 01:33.18 | mik3 | holy crip it's a crapple! |
| 01:33.41 | RvGaTe | i gotta learn more english jokes.. |
| 01:33.49 | revenger_ | Tue Sep 20 03:33:46 CEST 2005 |
| 01:34.08 | abrotman | woodland: ok |
| 01:34.16 | christor | please what is the command mysql to copy the table in a db : mysql -u user -p databases < file.sql?? |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | woodland: is there another OS on the computer ? |
| 01:34.25 | abrotman | christor: #mysql |
| 01:34.36 | secher | abrotman: nope. that's odd.. I already have DSL, and they are saying that I can't get DSL from them.. waht a load. anyway, I have to babysit my upgrade, I have a feeling this is going to get ugly.. |
| 01:34.44 | revenger_ | christor: mysql -u user database < file.sql |
| 01:34.48 | abrotman | secher: yay ... but no FIOS either ? |
| 01:34.54 | matiu | If I have a .deb package created by alien foo.rpm, how can I then reverse engineer the package to get at the control file etc.? |
| 01:34.56 | woodland | abrotman, yes, i have win xp |
| 01:35.08 | abrotman | woodland: all works ok ? |
| 01:35.15 | secher | christor: if you can scrounge up the ducats, get O'Rielly's book PHP and MYSQL.. it's outstanding...\ |
| 01:35.23 | woodland | except network yes |
| 01:35.24 | resiak | matiu: Don't do that ... just apt-get install rpm and do it directly? |
| 01:35.30 | interbird | woodland: shame on you, but at least you don't lie :-) |
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| 01:35.32 | streuner | revenger_: you need to fix your timezone :-) |
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| 01:35.48 | woodland | interbird, i am newbie |
| 01:35.51 | streuner | revenger_: s/timezone/environment/ |
| 01:36.08 | revenger_ | streuner: tomorrow :P |
| 01:36.14 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:36.18 | abrotman | woodland: i meant in XP |
| 01:36.32 | matiu | resiak, I need to create a .deb for our project, and I thought the easiest starting point would be to alien the .rpm that already exists |
| 01:36.32 | secher | abrotman: nope, apparently not.. that's fscking whacky. screw them. I'll cough upthe extra cash and get my static so I can host my site again. |
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| 01:36.33 | interbird | woodland: me too |
| 01:36.39 | abrotman | secher: comcast? |
| 01:36.43 | woodland | abrotman, xp runs OK |
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| 01:36.58 | matiu | resiak, but then I want to be able to edit the control files to make a proper .deb |
| 01:37.10 | sgeigerbot | secher: do you know about dyndns.org? |
| 01:37.11 | abrotman | woodland: you phrased that wrong .. "XP runs as well as possible" :) |
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| 01:37.22 | interbird | :-) |
| 01:37.25 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: what's possible? |
| 01:37.30 | sgeigerbot | "possible"? |
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| 01:37.36 | interbird | define "run" |
| 01:37.38 | RvGaTe | abrotman: in microsoft words, thats OK... and thats even 1 word |
| 01:37.39 | Guerin | matiu: if it's been aliened, it IS a proper deb |
| 01:38.08 | woodland | abrotman, so what is the solution to my problem, i thought apt-get takes care of all depenencies automatically |
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| 01:38.34 | abrotman | woodland: not if the driver for your NIC is flaky |
| 01:38.37 | secher | abrotman: cavalier |
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| 01:38.47 | abrotman | secher: comcast! |
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| 01:38.54 | matiu | Guerin, the trouble is that the rpm doesn't depend on twisted, instead it includes it, and in the deb I want to make it depend on python2.4-exe-twisted |
| 01:38.55 | abrotman | secher: give in! .. just run your own DNS :) |
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| 01:39.20 | matiu | Guerin, So after I create the deb with alien, I want to be able to modify it |
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| 01:39.54 | interbird | woodland: you get disconnected after a while ? |
| 01:40.18 | woodland | interbird ,ya |
| 01:40.33 | Guerin | matiu: so man dpkg, or just use ar |
| 01:40.44 | secher | abrotman: I can't stand comcast, almost as much as I can't stand verizon. I try to go with small companies whenever possible. |
| 01:40.49 | matiu | Thanks Guerin :) |
| 01:41.06 | secher | abrotman: and I can't get a static from comcast |
| 01:41.09 | matiu | that's the answer I needed |
| 01:41.13 | interbird | woodland: from the net or also from your local lan (if you have one) ? |
| 01:41.20 | abrotman | secher: you can .. but it's like .. $90/month i think |
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| 01:41.48 | woodland | interbird, from net, i dont have local lan, |
| 01:41.55 | whitehorse1 | bk |
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| 01:42.01 | deadcat | what module do i have to load to get the mouse in powerbook working? |
| 01:42.09 | deadcat | using 2.6.12 |
| 01:42.19 | woodland | interbird, where r u from |
| 01:42.19 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:42.20 | dpkg | methinks ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 01:42.24 | interbird | woodland: from irc or can't you ping any hosts anymore ? |
| 01:42.24 | abrotman | woodland: pastebin |
| 01:42.33 | interbird | woodland: Holland |
| 01:43.07 | woodland | interbird, i cant even ping anything |
| 01:43.10 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here know how to get PowerBook how mouse to work... psaux wont work ;( Driving me nuts |
| 01:43.12 | sgeigerbot | matiu: You can try dpkg-repack to pack up a deb that has been installed. I guess that would work, too. |
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| 01:43.38 | woodland | abrotman, what is pastebin, a command / |
| 01:43.48 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:43.48 | TwistedEmotions | !pastebin |
| 01:43.49 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 01:43.49 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
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| 01:43.49 | whitehorse1 | woodland: pastebin.com it's a site |
| 01:43.59 | woodland | ok |
| 01:44.21 | interbird | woodland: what connection do you have ? (dialup,[a]dsl,cable,other) |
| 01:44.22 | whitehorse1 | woodland: then you just give the URL to your pasted-ness |
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| 01:45.30 | woodland | interbird , i have cable, a university connection, i am in office |
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| 01:46.07 | woodland | whitehorse1, do i have to register at pastebin.com |
| 01:47.20 | mikeX | woodland, no |
| 01:47.32 | interbird | woodland: so you connect to a lan that has a gateway or do you connect through a private cable-modem ? |
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| 01:47.52 | woodland | i think this has a gateway, interbird |
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| 01:48.26 | woodland | mikeX, should i copy-paste on pastebin.com or can i use any command |
| 01:48.27 | interbird | woodland: so you have a lan then |
| 01:48.33 | woodland | interbird, ya |
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| 01:49.09 | mikeX | woodland, sorry, I didn't get what you mean |
| 01:49.13 | christor | how to do a copy file with overwrite all teh file? cp -rf file/ /test/. is asking me to overwrite all file |
| 01:49.13 | interbird | woodland: can you do a route -n to #flood ? |
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| 01:49.44 | RvGaTe | !ping |
| 01:49.44 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:50.08 | deadcat | cant get the mouse to move on my friend's powerbook. using 2.6.12 |
| 01:50.19 | woodland | interbird, i am trying to use pastebin.com for some reason people cant see output of /exec |
| 01:50.27 | whitehorse1 | woodland: I just paste it into the box myself & add my IRC name to make it that lil bit easier to find in the list, in the box underneath - then submit. and give the url it changes to; in here |
| 01:50.35 | interbird | christor: check your environment for aliases of cp -- command: set |
| 01:50.54 | _quik | is there an app called "netinfo" where I can set the debian machine to recieve virtual host addresses? |
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| 01:51.01 | christor | interbird: in a non linux languages? |
| 01:51.07 | interbird | christor: check /etc/profile or bash* |
| 01:51.14 | _quik | cause there is on mac osx |
| 01:51.27 | woodland | whitehorse1, so should i just copy-paste output from terminal on the pastebin.com |
| 01:51.29 | interbird | christor: set > bliep |
| 01:51.36 | whitehorse1 | woodland: thats what I do |
| 01:51.42 | whitehorse1 | woodland: "Yes". |
| 01:51.44 | interbird | christor: nano or pico or vi bliep |
| 01:51.44 | woodland | ok |
| 01:52.02 | christor | I have this in the bashrc alias cp='cp -i' |
| 01:52.04 | Supaplex | real men use ed(1) |
| 01:52.13 | interbird | christor: check for alias cp where the, wait-moment... |
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| 01:53.06 | whitehorse1 | Supaplex I use kedit/gedit for I am uber-leet. Yessum. |
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| 01:53.35 | abrotman | you use what? |
| 01:53.39 | secureboot | is there a nice math processing prog in linux that's easy to use quickly/interactively with a modulus func? |
| 01:53.43 | woodland | abrotman, hi here's link to my output of lspci ,,,,http://pastebin.com/368631 |
| 01:53.59 | christor | interbird: the alias I have cp -i is prompt before overwrite ;) |
| 01:54.01 | christor | Thx |
| 01:54.02 | abrotman | didn't interbird just fix you ? |
| 01:54.08 | woodland | nope |
| 01:54.12 | interbird | christor: check for alias cp where the, wait-moment... , --remove is defined as a flag; take care though -- use man cp and man bash to learn more |
| 01:54.14 | samuel | secureboot, mathematica? |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | woodland: and which driver is loaded ? |
| 01:54.19 | samuel | best prog ever |
| 01:54.32 | woodland | realtek |
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| 01:54.50 | abrotman | lsmod .. which one |
| 01:54.52 | whitehorse1 | abrotman Shhh ;) it's quick & easy. I use nano if I'm on a console w/out kde/gn of course; emacs if I need to do anything more complex than nano handles |
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| 01:54.57 | abrotman | lsmod | grep 8139 if it helps |
| 01:55.01 | woodland | should i post output of ifconfig, abrotman |
| 01:55.04 | abrotman | whitehorse1: what .. not joe ? |
| 01:55.12 | petemc | abrotman: you dont know any better way to prevent the beeps? :) |
| 01:55.12 | abrotman | woodland: no .. lsmod | grep 8139 |
| 01:55.19 | woodland | ok |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | petemc: i could shut you down! |
| 01:55.25 | petemc | heh |
| 01:55.30 | secureboot | samuel: preferably, available in devian |
| 01:56.06 | whitehorse1 | devian? A Debian for deviants? |
| 01:56.11 | samuel | secureboot, how good do you need it? JUST modulus? |
| 01:56.14 | petemc | _quik: linux doesnt have a direct equivalent of netinfo |
| 01:56.20 | abrotman | that would be lesbian GNU/Linux |
| 01:56.32 | woodland | abrotman,, http://pastebin.com/368632 |
| 01:56.34 | _quik | petemc, so how can I setup as a virtual host? |
| 01:56.41 | whitehorse1 | abrotman Tell me that's not really a project pleeze :D |
| 01:56.41 | secureboot | samuel: basically - multiplication, expon, modulus |
| 01:56.51 | abrotman | woodland: try 8139cp |
| 01:56.51 | RvGaTe | does dpkg has a wake-up service ? |
| 01:56.54 | woodland | ok |
| 01:57.03 | abrotman | woodland: that's all i can really say .. i don't think i own a single machine with a realtek card |
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| 01:57.19 | petemc | _quik: you need to be more descriptive, what exactly do you want to achieve? |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | !tell whitehorse1 about lesbian |
| 01:57.21 | samuel | secureboot, i think gcalculator will do then |
| 01:57.36 | woodland | abrotman with 8139cp i dont get anything, just return to prompt |
| 01:57.47 | whitehorse1 | ow abrupt |
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| 01:58.00 | abrotman | woodland: you have to remove the other driver first .. use modconf .. stop 8130too and start 8139cp |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | woodland: at least .. based on your lspci . that's what i'm guessing |
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| 01:58.10 | samuel | secureboot, make a gnumeric spreadsheet, cant be too hard |
| 01:58.12 | _quik | I want to be able to type the virtualhost name from anywhere on the network and have it hit apache on debian machine |
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| 01:58.22 | woodland | ok |
| 01:58.38 | abrotman | woodland: honestly though .. it may not work |
| 01:58.44 | petemc | _quik: then you need good old fashioned dns |
| 01:58.46 | interbird | RvGaTe: 0800-555-wakeup :-) |
| 01:59.05 | RvGaTe | ... |
| 01:59.07 | samuel | secureboot, in fact im pretty sure gnumeric has modulus |
| 01:59.08 | woodland | abrotman, how do i stop 8130too and start 8139cp |
| 01:59.11 | RvGaTe | and then what ? |
| 01:59.11 | _quik | petemc, is that easy to setup -- will it distrupt the local nework dramatically? |
| 01:59.12 | abrotman | modconf |
| 01:59.20 | abrotman | woodland: it may not work .. it's just an idea |
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| 01:59.28 | woodland | command not found |
| 01:59.30 | predius_ | where is mkpasswd? |
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| 01:59.45 | abrotman | woodland: be root |
| 01:59.48 | abrotman | !find bin/mkpasswd |
| 01:59.49 | petemc | _quik: there are many ways to achieve what you describe, if your network is small, you could populate /etc/hosts yourself |
| 01:59.51 | woodland | su - ? |
| 01:59.56 | abrotman | sure |
| 01:59.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mkpasswd' (1): (/usr/bin/mkpasswd) in net/whois. |
| 01:59.58 | woodland | ok |
| 02:00.03 | _quik | petemc, okay, lets go with that. |
| 02:00.25 | woodland | abrotman, even then comand not found |
| 02:00.32 | interbird | woodland: modprobe --help and then remove 8130too using the correct flags |
| 02:00.34 | abrotman | woodland: are you running debian? |
| 02:00.48 | woodland | abrotman, yes, sarge |
| 02:00.49 | petemc | _quik: man hosts, google should fill in the blanks |
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| 02:02.07 | _quik | do I need to restart networking or something after editing? |
| 02:02.09 | interbird | woodland: does which su give output ? |
| 02:02.10 | cheal | tough process, isn't it? :) |
| 02:02.12 | xenoduck | I don't see how you could use /etc/hosts for that purpose without having that server also running BIND or other DNS server. |
| 02:02.34 | petemc | cheal: i noticed that myself a few weeks ago |
| 02:02.39 | xenoduck | And pointing the other machines on that network to that server for DNS resolution. |
| 02:02.44 | woodland | interbird, i dont understand the question |
| 02:03.12 | interbird | woodland: does the command "which su" tell you if su is on your system ? |
| 02:03.24 | _quik | if I can't ping the machine, that already had its name in the hosts file eg "blockhead" |
| 02:03.29 | _quik | does that mean its not going to work? |
| 02:03.31 | woodland | ok |
| 02:03.51 | whitehorse1 | Q) Is a Debian installation report if put together about a week & a half after the initial install, where a bunch of apt-get install will've been done since, likely to be of any real value if submitted? |
| 02:04.12 | RvGaTe | !anounce RvGaTe going to bed |
| 02:04.12 | woodland | interbird, i get '/bin/su ' for that command |
| 02:04.17 | RvGaTe | aaah... |
| 02:04.32 | john | what's the command to shut off power save? dpms? i forgot |
| 02:04.43 | whitehorse1 | s/install/installs/ |
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| 02:05.42 | whitehorse1 | woodland: are you in say, gnome or kde currently? |
| 02:05.44 | interbird | woodland: sorry, did not follow all the lines, are you root on your system, or can you become root ? |
| 02:05.50 | RvGaTe | k, this is it, im going to bed, bye bye *waves* |
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| 02:05.56 | woodland | whitehorse1, kde |
| 02:05.59 | whitehorse1 | RvGaTe: ciao |
| 02:06.14 | woodland | interbird, i am root |
| 02:06.47 | interbird | woodland: did you flood route -n to #flood ? |
| 02:06.59 | whitehorse1 | woodland go to the K menu then Debian>Apps>System>X_terminal as root (or type su in a terminal). Oh wait, you are logged into KDE as root. I seee |
| 02:07.03 | woodland | interbird no, |
| 02:07.17 | interbird | woodland: open a terminal in KDE |
| 02:07.21 | woodland | ok |
| 02:07.25 | woodland | i have |
| 02:07.28 | sward | secureboot: Re: Your rate limiting question. The iptables limit match (ipt_limit) can provide a crude rate limit. If you want something more (it'll have to be tc), but don't want to bother with anything as complex as htb or cfq, you can use wrr (weighted round robin) |
| 02:07.33 | interbird | woodland: route -n > delete-me |
| 02:07.38 | john | nevermind, got it |
| 02:07.41 | woodland | ok |
| 02:07.44 | interbird | kedit delete-me |
| 02:08.01 | whitehorse1 | woodland does the prompt in your terminal have a hash at the end like this: # |
| 02:08.05 | interbird | copy-paste to #flood of your irc-proggie |
| 02:08.11 | woodland | yes |
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| 02:08.28 | interbird | woodland: connect to #flood before pasting |
| 02:08.35 | whitehorse1 | woodland that's root then |
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| 02:08.38 | woodland | yes |
| 02:09.17 | whitehorse1 | Q) Is a Debian installation report if put together about a week & a half after the initial install, where a bunch of apt-getting will've been done since, likely to be of any real value if submitted? |
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| 02:09.31 | petemc | whitehorse1: probably not |
| 02:09.43 | whitehorse1 | petemc: Okay thanks |
| 02:09.51 | woodland | interbird, here's output of 'route -n' command http://pastebin.com/368639 |
| 02:10.27 | xenoduck | petemc: I don't see how you could use /etc/hosts for that purpose without having that server also running BIND or other DNS server, so that the other machines on that network use that server for DNS resolution. |
| 02:10.58 | petemc | xenoduck: did i say you could |
| 02:11.27 | woodland | interbird, sorry i am in kernel 2.4 now, my problems are when i boot into kernel 2.6 |
| 02:12.23 | xenoduck | petemc: "if your network is small, you could populate /etc/hosts yourself" Nothing about having to run on your own DNS server. Don't be a jerk when you're asked for clarification when you're not clear. |
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| 02:13.17 | interbird | woodland: That could make a difference -- try if you can ping your gateway (134.121.47.254) when disconnected. -- Also, as far as I know 134.*.*.* is not an IP for an internal lan |
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| 02:13.21 | petemc | xenoduck: i dont recall being asked for clarification, or being a jerk... |
| 02:13.35 | xenoduck | petemc k thx |
| 02:13.49 | interbird | woodland: So, your in an office with no lan ? |
| 02:13.53 | woodland | interbird, here's link to output of ifconfig when i was in kernel 2.6 |
| 02:13.56 | woodland | http://pastebin.com/368641 |
| 02:14.03 | abrotman | !jerk petemc |
| 02:14.11 | woodland | interbird, i am in office with lan |
| 02:14.21 | petemc | abrotman: see! |
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| 02:14.26 | petemc | im no jerk |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:14.37 | abrotman | !moron petemc |
| 02:14.38 | dpkg | petemc: You are moron #89 |
| 02:14.40 | abrotman | ha! |
| 02:14.41 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:14.42 | petemc | :( |
| 02:14.49 | petemc | :) |
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| 02:15.00 | abrotman | ack .. smiley wave! |
| 02:15.03 | hanasaki | i have sid pinned at priorty 1 and sarge at 998. why woudl apt-get upgrade want to push everything to sid? |
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| 02:15.56 | sward | secureboot: http://www.docum.org/docum.org/faq/cache/22.html may be useful (really sleep now) |
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| 02:16.31 | petemc | xenoduck: perhaps you could explain the circumstances in which using /etc/hosts is not sufficient for clients to resolve hostnames |
| 02:16.32 | interbird | woodland: The IP-address of your computer does not fall into the "internal" range: 134.121.40.x is an inter-net IP, not a LAN IP. I advise you to change that first. |
| 02:16.40 | whitehorse1 | Hmm. Has anyone raised an upper echelon complaint through appropriate channels (ie as distinct from playing fisticuffs on bugreports) about dear Marco and his idiosyncratic approach to debian package maintainership? |
| 02:17.02 | woodland | interbird, how do i change that |
| 02:17.06 | interbird | woodland: Make it something like: 192.168.what-you-want.wyw |
| 02:17.58 | interbird | woodland: You are now running with 2.6 and have problems with 2.4 on the same machine ? |
| 02:18.26 | woodland | interbird, sorry for confusion, i am in 2.4 right now, i have problems in 2.6 |
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| 02:18.47 | woodland | i have both kernels installed on my machine |
| 02:18.53 | whitehorse1 | interbird Coincidentally enough a certain package maintainer went as far as to suggest running multiple kernel versions on a single machine |
| 02:19.01 | hanasaki | shoudl anythign pinned at piority 998 override that of priority 1? |
| 02:19.28 | interbird | woodland: one step at the time please |
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| 02:19.49 | interbird | woodland: what does ifconfig say that your ip-address is ? |
| 02:19.52 | woodland | i dont have any problems with kernel 2.4 , interbird |
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| 02:20.03 | interbird | woodland: what does ifconfig say that your ip-address is ? |
| 02:20.11 | woodland | let me check |
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| 02:21.26 | woodland | interbird, ok output of ifconfig is http://pastebin.com/368647,, i am in kernel 2.4 right now |
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| 02:21.45 | |XO| | how do i find out what configure parameters were used to compile a a package? |
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| 02:22.27 | steve | hey- i wanna use java applets in firefox- in debian- how do i do that? |
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| 02:22.51 | woodland | interbird, ok output of ifconfig is http://pastebin.com/368647,, i am in kernel 2.4 right now |
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| 02:23.25 | interbird | woodland: Well, as far as i know 134.n.n.n is *not* meant to be used for internal usage; maybe 2.6 clashes with that. |
| 02:23.44 | interbird | woodland: Change to 192.168.x.x |
| 02:24.12 | woodland | interbird, how do i change that |
| 02:24.23 | interbird | woodland: Are you on KDE ? |
| 02:24.28 | woodland | yes |
| 02:24.41 | woodland | interbird kde 3.3 |
| 02:24.47 | steve | hey- i wanna use java applets in firefox- in debian- how do i do that? |
| 02:25.51 | factor | you have to have the same version of java as the server uses I think which makes it hard to keep up with all the diferent version , dunno if it is downward compat. |
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| 02:26.34 | factor | I try to stay away from the java stuff. |
| 02:26.34 | woodland | interbird, though i am in my office, i want to be able to connect to internet which is outside university |
| 02:26.34 | interbird | woodland: Boot with the 2.6 kernel, look somewhere in the KDE-config panels and change your IP to 192.168.46.215 with gateway 134.121.47.254 |
| 02:26.34 | astronut | i think my wifi card is dieing, any suggestions for a good pcmcia one? |
| 02:26.34 | woodland | ok |
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| 02:26.53 | factor | but if your doing a intranet and doing the server and client you can keep them in sync. |
| 02:27.17 | interbird | woodland: one step at the time please, I'm an older newbe and a gnoomie so I can't help you with KDE |
| 02:28.07 | factor | I love the debian 3.1 setup I can use firefox and get sound music and animation active all in the browser so I dont need java, which is a plus. |
| 02:28.10 | woodland | interbird, shuld i install gnome, becasue i dont like kde much |
| 02:28.58 | interbird | woodland: Let's first take care of your connection problem, Gnome wants to be connected also :-) |
| 02:29.07 | woodland | ok |
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| 02:30.07 | woodland | interbird, i am trying to figure out how do i change my ip address, as u suggested , i thought ip address is something given by my university |
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| 02:31.37 | interbird | woodland: Ok, then you are part of a wan and all I said about changing your IP would not apply. |
| 02:31.50 | woodland | ok |
| 02:31.58 | whitehorse1 | steve google.com/linux (there's a tutorial on it out there if you search for debian java or something, don't have a link soz) |
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| 02:33.06 | woodland | interbird, i hope i am not bothering u too much. |
| 02:33.19 | interbird | woodland: I would like to help you more but I don't think you'll like my questions :-) |
| 02:33.22 | shey_16 | hu |
| 02:33.25 | shey_16 | hi |
| 02:33.56 | woodland | interbird, what questions ? |
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| 02:34.37 | shey_16 | hi |
| 02:34.44 | shey_16 | sali ako |
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| 02:36.00 | clueless | how do I wait x number of seconds in bash? |
| 02:36.03 | Xtreme | hey guys, I was wondering if someone could help me please, im running vsftpd using the system accounts as a log in, but i was wondering how to ban shell access but still enable them to log in? |
| 02:36.14 | abrotman | whitehorse1: /msg dpkg install java |
| 02:36.20 | woodland | interbird, so what's the solution to my problem |
| 02:36.22 | abrotman | clueless: man sleep |
| 02:36.26 | interbird | woodland: Just joking, I mean we have to get deeper and the deeper we get the more detailed Q's i have to ask... |
| 02:36.43 | shey_16 | hi |
| 02:36.45 | shey_16 | hi |
| 02:36.46 | shey_16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.47 | shey_16 | hi |
| 02:36.52 | Nazxul | ... |
| 02:36.54 | woodland | ok |
| 02:37.00 | Nazxul | Why do certain people breed? |
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| 02:37.05 | shey_16 | ?????? |
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| 02:37.19 | interbird | woodland: Short-tme solution: turn-off the machine, eat something and ask your system administrator. |
| 02:37.30 | clueless | abrotman: is sleep installed by default with most linux/unix? |
| 02:37.39 | abrotman | clueless: builtin |
| 02:37.45 | whitehorse1 | abrotman merci |
| 02:37.57 | abrotman | whitehorse1: just for reference :) |
| 02:38.12 | Xtreme | hey guys, I was wondering if someone could help me please, im running vsftpd using the system accounts as a log in, but i was wondering how to ban shell access but still enable them to log in via ftp? |
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| 02:38.20 | woodland | ok |
| 02:38.22 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 02:38.31 | tengulre | I m coming .... :) |
| 02:38.34 | bob2 | !+disable shell |
| 02:38.37 | bob2 | !+disable login |
| 02:38.37 | tengulre | ? |
| 02:38.39 | tengulre | ? |
| 02:38.39 | bob2 | bah |
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| 02:38.47 | woodland | so, interbird what more info u need abt my machine |
| 02:38.53 | hanasaki | anyone know why the security repository is Sloooow on download? |
| 02:39.01 | tengulre | BOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMB!! |
| 02:39.03 | abrotman | Xtreme: give them something like ... /bin/false as a shell .. and put /bin/false in /etc/hsells |
| 02:39.06 | Xtreme | bob2? |
| 02:39.07 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:39.20 | abrotman | tengulre: are you broken? |
| 02:39.27 | SimonRaven | apparently |
| 02:39.37 | Xtreme | abrotman, I tried bin/false but that stops both shell and ftp access |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | Xtreme: and you put /bin/false in /etc/shells ? |
| 02:40.05 | Xtreme | no i didnt.. ill try that now.. thanks |
| 02:40.09 | bob2 | tengulre: please? |
| 02:40.18 | bob2 | hanasaki: heavy load |
| 02:40.34 | SimonRaven | uh, absolute path, not relative. you /bin/false. (unless that was a typo here, then never mind) |
| 02:40.41 | SimonRaven | you want* |
| 02:40.50 | abrotman | i said /bin/false |
| 02:41.09 | SimonRaven | no, Xtreme, not you |
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| 02:41.13 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki You can also use a mirror site (the website'll list them) |
| 02:41.14 | hanasaki | bob2: ya.. i was afraid of that.. just wanted ot be sure it was known.. |
| 02:41.25 | interbird | woodland: Hmm, do not remember offering a long-time solution -- oh well, join #noconn, i'll be there |
| 02:41.39 | hanasaki | whitehorse1: thanks. i forgot. .lol i am using kernel.org for the primary |
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| 02:42.08 | hanasaki | whitehorse1: under debian packages? |
| 02:42.25 | Xtreme | hey it worked, thanks heaps abrotman |
| 02:42.26 | Xtreme | :D |
| 02:42.52 | abrotman | Xtreme: you're welcome |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:44.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 02:44.16 | SimonRaven | bob2: you still using os x at all on your ibook? was there still that stupid 31 character filename limit, or did they go the smart route and get bsd's nice phat 256 char path (or is it file) limit? |
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| 02:45.35 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki Depends what dist. you're running sarge/testing etc |
| 02:45.56 | whitehorse1 | hanaBRB Depends what dist. you're running sarge/testing etc |
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| 02:46.39 | whitehorse1 | hanaBRB Either way they aren't quite listed there but the sarge stuff is easily locatable via the sitemap or about stable pages |
| 02:46.43 | SimonRaven | er, s/$file/file name/ |
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| 02:47.15 | roby | I'm trying to install mysql, it's downloading it from security.debian.org, why? It usually gets it from the much faster mirror i specified |
| 02:47.19 | nixuser | anybody know deb source for libdvdcss? |
| 02:47.47 | roby | It usually gets *packages* from the much faster mirror |
| 02:47.58 | dondelelcaro | nixuser: see less /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian |
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| 02:48.25 | dondelelcaro | roby: because mysql has been updated for a security bug and a new pointrelease of stable hasn't come out yet. |
| 02:48.30 | nixuser | i know all the issues, is there a source out there for libdvdcss |
| 02:48.32 | dondelelcaro | roby: there currently are only a few mirrors of stable. |
| 02:48.53 | dondelelcaro | nixuser: Have you read it yet? Yes, answer your questions it will. |
| 02:48.54 | roby | dondelelcaro: oh cool thanks |
| 02:49.01 | dondelelcaro | s/stable/security/ |
| 02:49.07 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki what dist. are you're running? |
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| 02:49.13 | hanasaki | etch |
| 02:49.15 | interbird | nixuser: http://spiritisdigital.com/linux/howtos/MPlayerfromsources.htm |
| 02:49.22 | roby | dondelelcaro: that's what i figured you meant |
| 02:49.22 | hanasaki | sarge on another box |
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| 02:49.45 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki Etch security updates & mirrors lsted here: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
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| 02:50.00 | Nexus | Is there a way to see what package I have installed that requires another package? |
| 02:50.09 | nixuser | no apt source for it? |
| 02:50.21 | Nexus | I'm trying to find what needs xfree86-common... |
| 02:50.22 | hanasaki | hmm whitehorse1 anyway i couldve foudn that myself? teach me to fish man |
| 02:50.29 | dondelelcaro | nixuser: mariat has apt sources for them, but since that package hasn't changed in ages, just use the install script ther.e |
| 02:50.35 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki sarge security repository details are ohhh on the debian site somewhere ;) I might look in a sec |
| 02:50.45 | hanasaki | i am loking too thanks |
| 02:50.58 | interbird | Nexus: With synaptic gui-tool you can view the dependancies |
| 02:51.01 | nixuser | ok thanks |
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| 02:51.07 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: almost every package requires another package. |
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| 02:51.16 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki The etch security updates info I found it today via the debian.org weekly news article from the home page of debian.org |
| 02:51.16 | shimano55 | Hello all |
| 02:51.20 | Nexus | interbird: Know of one for cli? |
| 02:51.24 | hanasaki | i had this deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:51.26 | happy_broccoli_ | how can i stop my resolv.conf from being updated with this bad information from my isp router |
| 02:51.30 | Nexus | I don't have any graphical apps installed, which is why I wonder what needs xfree... |
| 02:51.32 | shimano55 | Question, What is the best program to use to burn cds? (data cds) |
| 02:51.32 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: apt-cache show foopkg; will show the dependencies of a given package. |
| 02:51.49 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: if you want to know what packages depend on a particular package, use apt-cache rdepends foopkg; |
| 02:51.59 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki Did it work ? |
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| 02:52.12 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: in this case it's probably because they depend on xlibs that you're getting xfree86-common... and xfree86-common is not X. |
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| 02:52.15 | SimonRaven | Nexus: sounds like you get your conn. via dhcp, right? you can set dhclient to not update resolv.conf via its config |
| 02:52.20 | Nexus | dondelelcaro, Sweeet. Just what I needed. |
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| 02:52.25 | hanasaki | whitehorse1: not sure.. i am loking for a mirror of deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:52.25 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.30 | SimonRaven | Starchild: don't do that please |
| 02:52.35 | hanasaki | whitehorse1: for stable |
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| 02:52.41 | interbird | Nexus: Not right now but I know this info should be in the package itself; I suggest you google some on dpkg, dselect, apt, etc. |
| 02:52.52 | Starchild | SimonRaven : Lol. Spurr of the moment thing. I have tourettes. :( |
| 02:53.03 | SimonRaven | no worries |
| 02:53.05 | fisious | anyone know an easy way to determine what a MAC address belongs to? |
| 02:53.08 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki try this thread re the etchtesting updates; toward the lower half it discusses a key needed ... http://tinyurl.com/9wds4 |
| 02:53.12 | fisious | or even a way |
| 02:53.29 | shimano55 | anybody? |
| 02:53.35 | hanasaki | whitehorse1: you are a google master! |
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| 02:53.42 | dondelelcaro | shimano55: cdrecord is pretty much what everything uses. |
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| 02:53.48 | SimonRaven | shimano55: cdrecord |
| 02:53.55 | happy_broccoli_ | how can i stop my resolv.conf from being updated with this bad information from my isp router |
| 02:54.04 | SimonRaven | shimano55: everything else uses cdrecord as a backend |
| 02:54.07 | hanasaki | whitehorse1: brb thanks |
| 02:54.35 | SimonRaven | happy_broccoli: sounds like you get your conn. via dhcp, right? you can set dhclient to not update resolv.conf via its config |
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| 02:55.04 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki www.debian.org/security (courtesy of site map). Ok np |
| 02:55.21 | kikoo_ | How to know to which package a command belong , for instance the command date |
| 02:55.22 | kikoo_ | ? |
| 02:55.31 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.39 | roby | fisious: check every network interfac'es mac address? |
| 02:55.52 | fisious | what if you can't actually do that |
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| 02:56.03 | SimonRaven | i read that as assign some binary to another package... duh me |
| 02:56.09 | fisious | like a router or some other miscellanoues device |
| 02:56.24 | SimonRaven | 'miscellaneous' |
| 02:56.32 | maakud | fisious: arp -an |
| 02:56.32 | SimonRaven | close :) |
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| 02:57.11 | hanasaki | whitehorse1: the sarge lnk is the one i have that is sloow |
| 02:57.12 | fisious | ahh |
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| 02:58.07 | samuel | how do i resolve an email address??? |
| 02:58.24 | fisious | maakud kind of. i know you can get a mac from an ip. but what would something like this "3333000000fb" be? |
| 02:58.37 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki My bad. http://www.debian.org/security/faq#mirror |
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| 02:59.16 | shimano55 | SimonRaven, what's a good GUI to use then? |
| 02:59.18 | petemc | samuel: look at the bit after the @, and do host -t mx "that bit" |
| 02:59.22 | interbird | shimano55: cdrecord is about the only core burning cli-program i know of -- for ease of use I find Gnome's quite easy to use |
| 02:59.34 | SimonRaven | shimano55: pick one. gtk based, qt based... |
| 02:59.37 | ^buggler^ | Hello, what are some 'common' reasons for eth0 not loading. I see the module for my network card loaded in 'lsmod' and apart from that I can't think of anything else. When I run that /etc/init.d/networking restart, it says Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured but then it dies saying "Operation fvailed. Failed to bring up eth0. done." |
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| 02:59.43 | samuel | petemc, thx |
| 02:59.57 | moo | hello |
| 03:00.08 | thematts | is there a user/group manager for debian? |
| 03:00.09 | Xtreme | shimano55, if u like fluffy windows n stuff try kde, but if u like functionality try gnome |
| 03:00.15 | hanasaki | whitehorse1: yall. .so no mirros for security dam! |
| 03:00.20 | maakud | ^buggler^: is eth0 configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:00.43 | maakud | shimano55: there is also plain old xcdroast. |
| 03:00.48 | ^buggler^ | maakud: Oh, i didn't even know about that file.. I'll check |
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| 03:00.57 | whitehorse1 | Xtreme :O pistols at dawn! |
| 03:01.12 | whitehorse1 | hanasaki Mmm hmm sucky :) |
| 03:01.17 | moo | liable |
| 03:01.22 | Xtreme | ? |
| 03:01.30 | hanasaki | whitehorse1: such is life |
| 03:01.43 | ^buggler^ | aha, nothing seems to be configured |
| 03:02.05 | dondelelcaro | thematts: adduser and friends are the way to manage users and groups. |
| 03:02.11 | hanasaki | bummer... etch openoffice is hoarked |
| 03:02.19 | ^buggler^ | It just says this: "auto eth0\niface eth0 inet" |
| 03:02.32 | shimano55 | Question, how do I fin the address of my Cd-burner? |
| 03:02.35 | ^buggler^ | where \n means a break in the line |
| 03:02.45 | whitehorse1 | Xtreme I was suggesting KDE =>3.4 offers => functionality to Gnome; albeit with a more Win than Mac look (more or less) |
| 03:02.48 | interbird | shimano55: Just a grab of search-term: "linux cd burning" : http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html |
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| 03:03.20 | ^buggler^ | thanks for your help maakud, i'm now reading man interfaces and think i'll be able to fix it |
| 03:03.21 | maakud | ^buggler^: man interfaces and enter the relevant info. |
| 03:03.25 | dondelelcaro | shimano55: cdrecord -dev ATAPI -scanbus; should show it if it's on IDE; if you're using scsi, just cdrecord -scanbus; |
| 03:03.26 | whitehorse1 | dpkg What am I doing up at 4am? |
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| 03:03.38 | interbird | shimano55: You could try: cdrecord -scanbus on kernels 2.4.x |
| 03:03.45 | maakud | ^buggler^: #debian helps those who help themselves :) |
| 03:04.02 | Xtreme | whitehorse1, yeah its more 'fluffy' so to speak where as gnome is more like a hardcore g33k style X theme |
| 03:04.03 | interbird | shimano55: On 2.6.x an ide-burner is addressed just like a cd-rom |
| 03:04.14 | kikoo_ | thanks |
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| 03:05.12 | Xtreme | i guess its just preference |
| 03:05.21 | thematts | dondelelcaro: friends? |
| 03:05.29 | interbird | whitehorse: Being one hour more awake than me :-) |
| 03:05.47 | abrotman | thematts: associated programs |
| 03:05.53 | shimano55 | interbird, when I run that command it just gives me my ZIP drive |
| 03:06.03 | whitehorse1 | Xtreme Not at all. I'm right and I refuse to believe my stance is only appropriate in five-year-old's world. ;) |
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| 03:06.24 | interbird | shimano55: What is the version of the kernel you use ? |
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| 03:06.36 | omi_ | Has anyone used GFS with debian sarge? |
| 03:07.04 | interbird | shimano55: uname -a reveils that |
| 03:07.12 | MaxPower69 | whitehorse1 heh ;) |
| 03:07.25 | dondelelcaro | thematts: addgroup, deluser, delgroup, usermod, etc. |
| 03:07.40 | shimano55 | interbird, 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 03:08.10 | thematts | dondelelcaro, ahh, I am still new to linux but, how do I add permission for a user to access certain directories? |
| 03:08.50 | interbird | shimano55: Is your burner ide or scsi ? |
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| 03:09.08 | abrotman | thematts: man chmod |
| 03:10.07 | maakud | thematts: read up on posix group and user ids and access. |
| 03:10.22 | interbird | shimano55: Can you access it as a cd-rom ? |
| 03:10.33 | ^buggler^ | When I don't include a "gateway 192.168.0.1" thing, it seems to work (in the sense I can ping local addresses) however when I include it I get "SIOCDELRT: No such process". It seems to work now but any reasons why I get this message? |
| 03:10.35 | dondelelcaro | thematts: you probably want to read the Debian quick reference, since that's a fairly basic question |
| 03:10.36 | maakud | thematts: #debian is not a replacement for real reading. |
| 03:10.39 | happy_broccoli_ | how can i stop my resolv.conf from being updated with this bad information from my isp router |
| 03:10.40 | dondelelcaro | !quick reference |
| 03:10.40 | dpkg | reference is, like, The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 03:10.59 | thematts | thanks |
| 03:11.33 | ^buggler^ | Ah well, as long as everything is working I should be happy. Once again, thanks |
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| 03:11.41 | maakud | happy_broccoli_: your question has already been answered. check your dhcp config. |
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| 03:12.51 | shimano55 | interbird, i think its ide |
| 03:13.02 | shimano55 | interbird, and what do you mean? |
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| 03:14.24 | maakud | shimano55: i think interbird is saying "can read cd's from this drive currently?". |
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| 03:14.37 | maakud | s/can read/can you read/ |
| 03:14.46 | interbird | shimano55: If you know if it is a hdb, a hdc or a hdb you can notify the kernel by giving the parameter: hdx=scsi on the kernel command-line |
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| 03:15.25 | interbird | maakud: yes, to know if reading works |
| 03:15.34 | absolutzero | no dpkg bot? |
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| 03:15.41 | maakud | absolutzero: im freezing already |
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| 03:15.49 | absolutzero | maybe I am on the wrong server... |
| 03:16.07 | maakud | absolutzero: coming only for the free beer :) |
| 03:16.08 | interbird | shimano55: Are you using lilo or grub as a bootloader ? |
| 03:16.15 | shimano55 | grub |
| 03:16.31 | absolutzero | Quick question: I have a video card that will indeed run 1025x768 but KDE and Gnome only allow 800x600, how do I change this? |
| 03:16.54 | perdenab_ | question on changing keyboard maps in gnome |
| 03:16.54 | perdenab_ | i have english, german and russian keymaps defined in my gnome environment, and supposedly LEFT-ALT-SHIFT switches between them. however, that sequence has no effect |
| 03:16.54 | perdenab_ | this environment has recently been migrated from debian woody to sarge. one of the oddities is that my german keymap (the default) has also lost a few of the ALT-GR keys. some work, some don't |
| 03:16.54 | perdenab_ | can someone suggest what is wrong? |
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| 03:17.01 | maakud | absolutzero: quick answer. the problem is probably with X not with gnome/kde |
| 03:17.09 | whitehorse1 | absolutzero: let me guess.. radeon? |
| 03:17.19 | interbird | maakud: Yeh, let's make the most of this freedom; Here's one from me :-) |
| 03:17.34 | whitehorse1 | absolutzero: p.s. 1024x768 ;p |
| 03:17.47 | stew | !drxx absolutzero |
| 03:17.49 | dpkg | absolutzero: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 03:18.18 | maakud | perdenab_: is this console or X? |
| 03:18.28 | absolutzero | lol thx whitehorse |
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| 03:18.40 | perdenab_ | maakud, it's X -- gnome |
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| 03:18.42 | whitehorse1 | stupid f** apt-get just reinstalled gnome. may it die. |
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| 03:18.48 | perdenab_ | the tty keymap works perfectly |
| 03:18.48 | absolutzero | I got rid of knoppix and went full-on debian |
| 03:19.00 | absolutzero | so far it seems to be running better |
| 03:19.03 | perdenab_ | the only problem is in X |
| 03:19.04 | whitehorse1 | absolutzero hardcore ;) |
| 03:19.11 | whitehorse1 | absolutzero what gfx card d'you have? |
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| 03:19.27 | absolutzero | ATI RAGE PRO TURBO, AGP |
| 03:19.28 | maakud | perdenab_: try with gnome keyboard utility (under prefs) or "xkeycaps" |
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| 03:20.23 | maakud | whitehorse1: you are not wishing apt-get to die. it may kill you in murder suicide mode. |
| 03:20.27 | absolutzero | I have a microsoft mouse, two buttons and a wheel.. |
| 03:20.32 | whitehorse1 | absolutzero I've an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro, only bought it off eBay a month back; prior to that I had an ATI Rage 128 (Ultra or Pro I think) |
| 03:20.32 | shimano55 | interbird, woo! got xcdroast to work |
| 03:20.40 | absolutzero | which option to choose in xf86config? |
| 03:20.56 | absolutzero | I like the ATI's for linux |
| 03:21.06 | absolutzero | and Nvidia for Windoze |
| 03:21.15 | absolutzero | I got so much hardware... |
| 03:21.17 | interbird | shimano55: Cool ! |
| 03:21.34 | maakud | shimano55, interbird: congratulations. |
| 03:21.36 | absolutzero | So do i need to emulate three buttons? |
| 03:21.37 | whitehorse1 | absolutzero Yours is an older ATI card, I'd recommend using the xf86's support. See also http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 03:21.42 | absolutzero | hmm |
| 03:21.52 | absolutzero | kk |
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| 03:22.10 | absolutzero | reading now |
| 03:22.14 | interbird | maakud: Yes, you're invited to our celebration party :-) |
| 03:22.20 | whitehorse1 | absolutzero Yes emulate 3. Up to you though; mine's w/out a wheel. You can always change that easily in Gnome/Kde. The display is the main thing |
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| 03:23.15 | absolutzero | so i should install the 3dfx support? |
| 03:23.31 | whitehorse1 | maakud: I wish it a quick death. ;) It installed gnome-core when I asked it to remove hal (wtf?). Installed into, nay, violated my system |
| 03:23.36 | whitehorse1 | absolutzero No. |
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| 03:23.45 | whitehorse1 | absolutzero You don't have a 3dfx card |
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| 03:23.53 | absolutzero | ah |
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| 03:24.06 | absolutzero | it has 3dfx on the chip |
| 03:24.29 | omi_ | I'll need to setup centralized login system as well as shared file system. I've heard few good things about GFS's locking. Any recomendations as to login server? |
| 03:24.41 | absolutzero | well for now know 3dfx supprt |
| 03:24.42 | aiyaiyairc | grub vs lilo boot? i recently installed a test run of debian, but forgot which i choose/one seemed alot better...thank you |
| 03:24.51 | absolutzero | may switch over to my 32 meg AGP |
| 03:25.01 | EdLin | whitehorse1: are you sure you're not mixing repositories or using non-debian repostories? |
| 03:25.06 | whitehorse1 | absolutzero 3dfx is a brand. Check Ati.com Support pages is my recommendation to see if I'm wrong. But if you're sure |
| 03:25.16 | absolutzero | I didn't expect to use the interface at all, but man KDE is just so pretty! lol |
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| 03:25.45 | whitehorse1 | EdLin: Just using Etch. Well except debian-desktop.org :blush: |
| 03:26.08 | whitehorse1 | aiyaiyairc: grub = newer nicer |
| 03:26.24 | aiyaiyairc | whitehorse1 >> ty (on a sloowwww comp) didn't want to open browser thank you! |
| 03:26.25 | absolutzero | gotta go Adult-Swim is on |
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| 03:26.30 | htaccess | does anyone know of a sinple log colorised package that works similar to csed (a simple sed like coloriser)? |
| 03:26.39 | whitehorse1 | aiyaiyairc: welcome |
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| 03:26.56 | bob2 | htaccess: I quite liked swatch |
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| 03:27.19 | reole | hello |
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| 03:28.12 | htaccess | bob2, does it do color? |
| 03:28.26 | riddlebox | does anyone know of a .deb file for Asterisk Managment Portal? |
| 03:28.30 | reole | i am about to install debian on my g3 and I am wondering what kernel i should select.Anyone know? |
| 03:28.30 | EdLin | whitehorse1: is debian-desktop.org based on etch? If not you're mixing repository versions, which can cause a world of pain. |
| 03:28.39 | whitehorse1 | EdLin: I only removed hal because it was broken due to depending on udev 6.0+; that required a higher kernel version than I had and than I could install w/out ickily multiple kernels selectable via grub. Unfortunately the udev package maintainer 'marco' is not near enough to slap 8) |
| 03:28.51 | bob2 | htaccess: yes |
| 03:28.53 | interbird | aiyaiyairc: Grub is more dynamic than lilo. |
| 03:28.56 | whitehorse1 | EdLin: debian-desktop is based on etch yep |
| 03:29.03 | bob2 | reole: the default will work |
| 03:29.08 | whitehorse1 | EdLin: or stable. |
| 03:29.13 | htaccess | bob2, and it can deal wioth arbitary log file types? |
| 03:29.13 | reole | thanks bob2 |
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| 03:31.05 | bob2 | htaccess: sure, it's just regexps |
| 03:31.10 | ^buggler^ | Sorry to bug everyone once again, it's just that I'm trying to fix all the problems on my system. When I load a game that uses OpenGL like say billards-gl, it says i'm missing GLX. I checked my XF86Config file and it has load "glx" in it so I'm guessing what it's trying to load isn't there. What should I do to fix this? |
| 03:31.30 | bob2 | what card? |
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| 03:31.42 | gozz | could somone please give me the correct syntax for mkinitrd? |
| 03:31.50 | ^buggler^ | Geforce TI4200 |
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| 03:33.14 | bob2 | !+nvidia one liner |
| 03:33.14 | EdLin | whitehorse1: according to its webpage debian-desktop.org is providing backports to *stable*. It's no wonder your GNOME is fucked. |
| 03:33.15 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 03:33.25 | bob2 | gozz: you're building your own kernel? |
| 03:33.31 | gozz | ya |
| 03:33.54 | bob2 | why are you using an initrd at all then? |
| 03:34.21 | silance | I'm getting access-denied errors while deploying a web-app with jdbc data-access to debian tomcat |
| 03:34.40 | gozz | for the ramdisk |
| 03:34.58 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 03:34.58 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 03:35.29 | interbird | silance: What tomcat version do you use ? (and debian) |
| 03:35.31 | gozz | im just following the tut. and the command they give doesnt work |
| 03:36.01 | ^buggler^ | a one liner hey, that sounds promising :) |
| 03:36.05 | EdLin | !tell gozz about kp mantra |
| 03:36.18 | whitehorse1 | EdLin: Devil and deep blue sea though. My ATI card wouldn't work properly e.g. screen res unless I used the latest xserver-xorg & the newer kde assisted too. With etch's xorg/kde I was screwed (and that's with flavio's drvers) |
| 03:36.18 | silance | interbird: debian sarge with tomcat 4.1 |
| 03:36.24 | bob2 | gozz: if you're building your own kernel, you do not need an initrd* |
| 03:36.35 | bob2 | * = not actually true, but you don't unless you're doing root-on-software-raid |
| 03:36.49 | EdLin | whitehorse1: you shouldn't run backport repositories and upgrade at the same time, it will screw something up sooner or later any time. |
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| 03:37.19 | maakud | whitehorse1: it *is* possible to run KDE of stable with xserver-xorg of testing. |
| 03:37.27 | interbird | silance: What database are you trying to access ? |
| 03:37.51 | htaccess | bob2, thanks, swatch looks good, i did try ccze which was ok but wanted to color everything swatch seems good because the default doesnt mess with anything alowing me to build up my own preferences |
| 03:38.08 | maakud | whitehorse1: in other words only upgrade (from stable) to those packages of testing that you absolutely need. |
| 03:38.12 | whitehorse1 | maakud: I'd tried that before reinstalling w/etch but ty. norbert's (sp?) backport to sarge didnt work |
| 03:38.19 | bob2 | htaccess: yeah, it was nice and simple |
| 03:38.25 | bob2 | which I like, since complex things confuse me |
| 03:38.49 | gozz | but the part on editing grub points to a initrd |
| 03:38.51 | maakud | whitehorse1: i do not mean backports. i mean stable+testing. read the testing page on www.debian.org |
| 03:38.55 | whitehorse1 | maakud: In practice though packages usually depend on libraries that're within the same distribution |
| 03:39.03 | bob2 | haha |
| 03:39.11 | silance | interbird: postgres and mysql, but access to other databases dos not work also not |
| 03:39.16 | gozz | http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html#EXTRACT-PATCH |
| 03:39.17 | bob2 | gravity: you'll note I only touch bzr and svn now :) |
| 03:39.21 | gravity | Rock |
| 03:39.48 | gravity | bob2: I'm going to take another look at bzr soon, since hg only seems to be able to do history-sensitive merging with a quilt-like addon |
| 03:40.00 | whitehorse1 | maakud: I was referring purely to xserver-xorg 6.8.2; IIRC it wasn't in testing 3wks back |
| 03:40.00 | EdLin | gozz: build your kernel the Debian way. |
| 03:40.05 | maakud | whitehorse1: you are right. but sometimes you are lucky. my friend ran xserver-xorg from ubuntu/hoary with rest from stable. |
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| 03:40.13 | bob2 | gravity: hmmm, odd |
| 03:40.24 | gozz | ya got a tut? |
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| 03:40.52 | EdLin | gozz: I already sent you dpkg's one-liner. Why do you keep asking questions when I gave you the answer? |
| 03:41.37 | deadcat | wheres the debian archive? fucking libapache-gallery still shitty on unstable. |
| 03:41.39 | whitehorse1 | maakud: I did try Ubuntu Breezy that had desirable newer versions of xorg/kde ...but the installer it used (same as etch) didn't work because of partman not liking my drive I guess. It's been a rocky road :) |
| 03:41.54 | gozz | im a newb and didnt catch a word of it:) i will look closer |
| 03:42.03 | deadcat | gravity: xorg working on ibook. it seems to be splashy thats hanging the system with xorg installed. |
| 03:42.05 | interbird | silance: Modify /etc/tomcat4/policy.d/99examples.policy and uncomment or add the server:port in this file |
| 03:42.14 | gravity | deadcat: splashy? |
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| 03:42.27 | deadcat | gravity: graphical thing during bootup/shutdown |
| 03:42.30 | gravity | ugh |
| 03:42.38 | EdLin | gozz: there's nothing that you need to "catch", it's a one-liner that you paste to your command line. |
| 03:42.58 | maakud | whitehorse1: yes. bleeding edge hardware means users cut themselves on the manufacturers card at installation. |
| 03:43.04 | deadcat | gravity: now splashy dont even work no more. so xorg is on.. and since xfree is pointing to xorg i am stuck anyway hehe |
| 03:43.06 | gravity | Well I'm going to need to dive in to fbdev at some point, but your splash thingy may be fighting for control of the fbdev |
| 03:43.12 | EdLin | gozz: if using the command line scares you, you shouldn't be building your own kernel. |
| 03:43.25 | interbird | silance: /etc/tomcat4/policy.d/99examples.policy gets copied to the tomcat config everytime tomcat get's started, overwriting the tomcat settings. |
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| 03:43.48 | silance | interbird: Thanx, wll try that |
| 03:43.50 | Nafed | hey just a quick question.. when i add a user how would i stop them from being able to roam out of their home dir? |
| 03:43.52 | whitehorse1 | :) |
| 03:43.54 | ^buggler^ | Aw. One liner nvidia didn't seem to work. :( |
| 03:44.02 | bob2 | Nafed: why do you want to do that? |
| 03:44.11 | gozz | no $hit! so i have been building this crap all day for nothing? boy i feel like a dumb a$$ |
| 03:44.14 | ^buggler^ | freeglut (billard-gl): OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display ':0.0' |
| 03:44.15 | Nafed | so that they dont roam into other users files :P |
| 03:44.37 | maakud | Nafed: give them rbash as shell. |
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| 03:44.41 | bob2 | Nafed: then make the other user's homedirs read-only |
| 03:44.55 | bob2 | Nafed: if you actually chroot them into their home dir, you need to copy every single binary and lib they might want into there |
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| 03:45.07 | maakud | Nafed: if you prevent users from doing things they will come to you all the time. |
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| 03:45.17 | maakud | Nafed: i am told god has the same problem :) |
| 03:45.19 | EdLin | gozz: why are you building your own kernel anyway? Debian's kernels are good, and the vanilla kernels from kernel.org are not supposed to be used unpatched. |
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| 03:45.26 | Nafed | would rbash keep then in their own dirs? |
| 03:45.30 | interbird | Nafed: Remove the group 'user' from the user |
| 03:45.49 | bob2 | Nafed: making everyone else's home dirs unreadable is far far far simpler and saner |
| 03:45.58 | maakud | Nafed: man rbash |
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| 03:47.07 | rking | hey terminfo party people, have i got a question for /you/! my xterm-256color term looks super, but when i run GNU screen, it forgets that there is 256 color capability. do i need to make 256 color screen terminfo file (somehow)? |
| 03:47.12 | gozz | cause i have 2.4 and was trying to update to 2.6 |
| 03:47.23 | maakud | ^buggler^: GL support for nvidia cards only available with their downloadable drivers. |
| 03:47.27 | Nafed | bob2 isnt that a long manual process? lol |
| 03:47.32 | bob2 | Nafed: ? no |
| 03:47.37 | bob2 | Nafed: chmod o= /home/* |
| 03:47.39 | bob2 | Nafed: all done |
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| 03:47.42 | Roey | mwilson: hi |
| 03:47.58 | XenReborn | is the newest version of the gnome desktop available in debian ? |
| 03:48.04 | XenReborn | Gnome 2 i mean ? |
| 03:48.12 | XenReborn | and in which build ? sarge ? |
| 03:48.22 | maakud | XenReborn: sure. gnome 2 is available in debian stable. |
| 03:48.28 | XenReborn | yay :) |
| 03:48.28 | silance | interbird: Yes !! tat did the trick, thanks interbird ! |
| 03:48.44 | XenReborn | last time i played with it gnome 2 had just been released and debian sucked at running it LOL |
| 03:48.54 | htaccess | bob2, with swatch, do you know if its possible to do multi colors in a line or is it all or nothing |
| 03:49.07 | EdLin | XenReborn: stable's version is 2.6 or 2.8 I believe. |
| 03:49.10 | bob2 | htaccess: I don't know, sorry |
| 03:49.12 | gozz | edlin do i start with makeflags? |
| 03:49.13 | Roey | bob2: heya |
| 03:49.13 | Nafed | thanks |
| 03:49.15 | maakud | rking: man info to see whether info has color support. im too lazy to find out. |
| 03:49.18 | Roey | gnight |
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| 03:49.34 | ^buggler^ | Hm alright, are their drivers available as modules? |
| 03:49.36 | interbird | silance: okidokie :-) |
| 03:49.43 | rking | maakud: info? hrm... i mean terminfo (am i very confused?) |
| 03:49.54 | aiyaiyairc | interbird >> thank you! |
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| 03:50.02 | XenReborn | ty :) |
| 03:50.03 | maakud | ^buggler^: you need to compile them. |
| 03:50.04 | EdLin | gozz: if you're incapable of following instructions I reccomend against compiling your own kernel. |
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| 03:50.08 | shimano55 | Got another question already, lol |
| 03:50.09 | shimano55 | ok |
| 03:50.17 | ^buggler^ | ok that doesnt' sound so bad |
| 03:50.19 | maakud | rking: sorry. misunderstood. |
| 03:50.28 | shimano55 | Question, How can I access an External Hardrive and write files to it? |
| 03:50.35 | maakud | rking: screen is certainly supporting color. |
| 03:51.24 | interbird | aiyaiyairc: For what ? |
| 03:51.43 | maakud | rking: the appropriate TERM variable setting should do it. |
| 03:51.51 | shimano55 | ??? |
| 03:52.03 | rking | maakud: right - but 256 is the question. i'm sure it could "support" it - all it has to do is not mess with my settings. even if i "screen" then manually set TERM=xterm-256color, no lulck |
| 03:52.03 | gozz | i dont want to compile my own kernel my dvd drive isnt working and i was told in here to update to 2.6 |
| 03:52.09 | bob2 | shimano55: be more specific |
| 03:52.23 | bob2 | shimano55: e.g. type of connection, type of filesystem, what software you are using, debian version |
| 03:52.46 | EdLin | gozz: 2.6 is an option Debian offers, you don't need to (and shouldn't) download a vanilla kernel. |
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| 03:53.29 | interbird | shimano55: External scsi, usb, parallel, ? |
| 03:53.37 | EdLin | gozz: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 03:53.44 | maakud | rking: 256 colors are not supported for terminals as far as I know. |
| 03:54.16 | EdLin | gozz: I'm sorry, kernel-image-2.6-386 (or your CPU if 386 isn't it.) |
| 03:54.35 | rking | maakud: i compiled my own xterm from the latest version |
| 03:54.45 | maakud | rking: by that i mean with curses/terminfo. |
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| 03:54.51 | maakud | rking: slang may be better. |
| 03:54.59 | shimano55 | bob2 & interbird, ok, scratch that question... got a new one: I have 2 partitions. One is Debian and one is Windows XP. How can I mount my XP partition so I can transfer files? |
| 03:55.09 | maakud | rking: but screen uses curses. |
| 03:55.49 | EdLin | gozz: 2.6 is even an option during installation. |
| 03:55.59 | interbird | shimano55: Still depends on the interface of your external drive; usb ? |
| 03:56.09 | bob2 | shimano55: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults,umask=000 0 0 |
| 03:56.10 | maakud | rking: with cursesw my information may be out of date. |
| 03:56.29 | bob2 | shimano55: assuming it's /dev/hda1 (first partition, first primary disk), and that you "mkdir /mnt/windows |
| 03:56.57 | interbird | shimano55: mount -t ntfs /dev/sdxn /mnt/wxp ? (read-only) |
| 03:57.33 | gozz | Edlin so i dont have to do all the make make modules ect..? |
| 03:57.49 | interbird | shimano55: x=abcd n=1234; ntfs is readonly, fat-fs can be written to from within linux |
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| 03:58.07 | EdLin | gozz: /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:58.38 | shimano55 | interbird, mounted it, but how do i access it? |
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| 03:59.01 | Muffie | I have already downloaded kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2, but some program is complaining that does not match my current 2.6.8-2 kernel. Where can I download that source package? |
| 03:59.25 | interbird | shimano55: If you mounted it you can access it; on the mount-point where you mounted it. |
| 03:59.35 | shimano55 | ok |
| 03:59.50 | bob2 | Muffie: you're compiling a module? |
| 04:00.01 | Muffie | bob2: Yes. fglrx for Ati |
| 04:00.03 | interbird | shimano55: how did you mount it ? |
| 04:00.14 | shimano55 | interbird, so basically, I can't add anything to it? |
| 04:00.26 | shimano55 | interbird, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows |
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| 04:01.07 | bob2 | shimano55: the line I gave you will work and let you read it... |
| 04:01.12 | interbird | shimano55: OK, you can access the files (read only) on /mnt/windows |
| 04:01.30 | whitehorse1 | Muffie: There's a supplied pre-made binary of a kernel module on flavio's website for 2.6.8 |
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| 04:01.56 | bob2 | Muffie: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 04:02.04 | whitehorse1 | Muffie: Er and of the fgrlx driver as well I mean |
| 04:02.05 | interbird | shimano55: ls -la /mnt/windows will show you the files in the root of the windows drive |
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| 04:02.25 | shimano55 | ok |
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| 04:02.35 | shimano55 | interbird, but there's NO way I can add any files? |
| 04:02.38 | Muffie | whitehorse1: ok, thanks |
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| 04:03.37 | bob2 | shimano55: correct, you cannot write to it |
| 04:03.47 | bob2 | shimano55: you can try captive-ntfs if you like, but it may or may not eat your cat |
| 04:04.57 | mac | are there prebuilt debs for "mplayer" or should I build my own? |
| 04:04.59 | interbird | shimano55: NO way is indeed the short answer; SOME way is the longer answer; WHY is the question... |
| 04:05.20 | interbird | shimano55: Just share a FAT32 partition between W and L |
| 04:05.30 | shimano55 | basically |
| 04:05.36 | shimano55 | here's my situation |
| 04:05.48 | interbird | shimano55: Then you can painlessly migrate to L whetn W dies |
| 04:05.51 | shimano55 | I have a external drive with a ton of important info on it |
| 04:06.05 | shimano55 | it cannot be reformatted |
| 04:06.10 | shimano55 | i think its ntfs |
| 04:06.33 | shimano55 | i was thinking it'd be easiest to transfer all my music over to Windows, and then save it to the external |
| 04:07.27 | interbird | shimano55: Why is it the easiest to transfer your music to this file-system you already have a problem with ? |
| 04:07.35 | bob2 | mac: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 04:07.59 | predius_ | shimano55, why can't you take the hd out of the enclosure |
| 04:08.04 | shimano55 | because on W, i have no problem adding to the external |
| 04:08.13 | predius_ | use as an ide, reformat, then use it as vfat |
| 04:08.38 | majnoon | was wondering does debian post when they update their package repositories ? |
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| 04:08.45 | whitehorse1 | shimano55 then under windows use norton partition magic to create a small vfat ie fat32 partition on it without damaging the existing porn I mean data. that way the smallish partition is eaily mountable/accessible in win/*nix, And assuming the *nix partitiions are say ext3 then you can install windows drivers to have readonly access to those in windows as well. |
| 04:08.54 | interbird | shimano55: So, why use L then ? |
| 04:09.01 | predius_ | majnoon, what do you mean? |
| 04:09.33 | shimano55 | interbird, cause that's where all my mp3's are |
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| 04:09.50 | majnoon | trying to do an apt-get update and getting a bzip2 error ,google search says that debian updating system |
| 04:09.55 | whitehorse1 | or mpegs. hee-hee |
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| 04:10.27 | majnoon | was wondering if debian post times they doing the updates |
| 04:10.58 | interbird | shimano55: Your files are not on Windows or on Linux, they are on NTFS |
| 04:11.16 | shimano55 | uhhh.. ok? |
| 04:11.21 | interbird | shimano55: Linux can read NTFS but cannot write to it |
| 04:11.25 | shimano55 | ok... |
| 04:11.34 | shimano55 | so should I go with what Whitehorse1 said? |
| 04:11.42 | interbird | shimano55: Windows cannot read or write EXT2, or, or |
| 04:11.53 | whitehorse1 | unless he tells you how to read NTFS on Linux |
| 04:12.07 | shimano55 | i need to write... |
| 04:12.11 | interbird | shimano55: So, create a separate partition for your music with the FAT32 file-system |
| 04:12.29 | shimano55 | ok |
| 04:12.29 | whitehorse1 | interbird: beg to differ re Ext3 with the GPL'd win driver (read-only access tho) still, does the job |
| 04:12.35 | Nafed | another question guys |
| 04:12.36 | shimano55 | lemme go do that with partition magic |
| 04:12.43 | interbird | shimano55: That way both Linux and Windows can read and write from and to it. |
| 04:12.47 | Nafed | this box has just been given to me |
| 04:12.50 | shimano55 | ill be back in a coupla minutes, don't go anywhere |
| 04:12.51 | shimano55 | :) |
| 04:13.00 | Nafed | cat /etc/issue shows Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 04:13.00 | whitehorse1 | shimano55 I couldn't condone downloading it via bittorrent 8) |
| 04:13.10 | Nafed | can i roll that back onto sarge stable? |
| 04:13.27 | shimano55 | yikes, i never got bittorrent...lol |
| 04:13.32 | shimano55 | brb |
| 04:13.33 | mwilson | fscking pos... |
| 04:14.12 | interbird | whitehorse1: Sorry, didn't catch what you meant |
| 04:14.24 | majnoon | trying to do an apt-get update and getting a bzip2 error ,google search says that debian updating system\ |
| 04:14.28 | majnoon | was wondering if debian post times they doing the updates |
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| 04:14.53 | Nafed | ? |
| 04:15.03 | majnoon | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
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| 04:15.05 | interbird | shimano55: Better is to store in ogg format on ext3, but who am i ? |
| 04:15.08 | whitehorse1 | interbird: Just that there's a readonly ext3 filesystem driver for Windows; so I can mount my *nix partition in WinXP and read it |
| 04:15.17 | Nafed | using apt if i change the source from testing to sarge would debian roll back onto sarge? |
| 04:15.18 | majnoon | get that when doing apt-get update |
| 04:15.47 | whitehorse1 | Nafed er not really. not on its own no |
| 04:16.00 | Nafed | what would i need to do then? |
| 04:16.01 | whitehorse1 | It's 5am Christ I'm going to bed |
| 04:16.12 | whitehorse1 | Not @ you I don't mean Nafed :) |
| 04:16.24 | interbird | whitehorse1: That is from the W point of view -- getting more closed-up you mean ? |
| 04:16.30 | Nafed | ? |
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| 04:17.13 | whitehorse1 | interbird: Nah :) It's a GPL'd Win32 driver; naught to do w/M$ |
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| 04:17.58 | absolutzero | what is the command to configure the xserver using dpkg? dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver? |
| 04:18.04 | ^buggler^ | Thanks maakud, I got it working |
| 04:18.17 | interbird | whitehorse1: Yes, bu accessing a GPL-ext3 driver from a W-system renders the GPL to /dev/zero |
| 04:18.19 | ^buggler^ | Hopefully that should be all the problems I have for today |
| 04:18.24 | gravity | !drxx |
| 04:18.24 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:18.30 | mac | bob: thanks... will read up... lotta info to pore through |
| 04:18.32 | ^buggler^ | Bye |
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| 04:18.57 | interbird | whitehorse1: In your case... |
| 04:19.40 | absolutzero | aha |
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| 04:20.37 | reole | hello,what do I type in apt-get to get x11? |
| 04:20.52 | gravity | reole: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 04:21.04 | reole | thank you |
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| 04:21.14 | reole | what is aptitude? |
| 04:21.45 | jlil | liable |
| 04:22.01 | gravity | reole: A better frontend to apt than apt-get |
| 04:22.06 | absolutzero | hmm, how do I get completley out of X on debian? i want JUST a console session, no X-Server |
| 04:22.20 | reole | cool,thanks gravity |
| 04:22.38 | gravity | !nodm |
| 04:22.38 | absolutzero | gdm only gives the option for failsafe in Xterm |
| 04:22.38 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 04:22.48 | absolutzero | danke |
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| 04:23.44 | shimano55 | interbird, ok, now what? |
| 04:23.45 | absolutzero | has to install kdm |
| 04:23.48 | interbird | reole: you might want to try this: apt-get install mc && apt-get install x-window-system && apt-get install gdm && apt-get install synaptic && apt-get install xfce4 -- reboot in gui |
| 04:24.10 | absolutzero | looks like I need to instal dpkg-reconfigure as well |
| 04:24.49 | Nafed | using apt if i change the source from testing to sarge would debian roll back onto sarge?? |
| 04:25.07 | absolutzero | hmm |
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| 04:25.24 | interbird | Nafed: No, only the package-database will be altered. |
| 04:25.38 | absolutzero | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 04:25.38 | Nafed | so how do i roll it back onto sarge? |
| 04:25.46 | shimano55 | interbird, I made the Fat32 partition, now how to I know which hda it is? |
| 04:25.49 | Nafed | because i hear bad things about testing/unstable |
| 04:25.52 | Nafed | lol |
| 04:25.58 | EdLin | !lol |
| 04:25.58 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 04:26.18 | EdLin | Nafed: you can't downgrade reliably using apt. Only upgrade. |
| 04:26.34 | interbird | Nafed: You would have to "downgrade" your-self -- that is why sarge==stable and etch==testing :: it is a one way street -- up :-) |
| 04:26.48 | absolutzero | I tried apt-get install dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 04:27.00 | Nafed | is testing very unstable? |
| 04:27.01 | absolutzero | but it says' it couldn't find the package |
| 04:27.12 | EdLin | absolutzero: dpkg-reconfigure is only in roots default path. It is already installed, it's part of base. |
| 04:27.17 | Phated | interbird: Why all the && apt-get install's in between? you can specify more than one package name to apt-get. |
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| 04:27.27 | interbird | Nafed: Even unstable is not as unstable as it sounds |
| 04:27.33 | absolutzero | aha |
| 04:27.43 | Nafed | so i should stick with unstable? |
| 04:27.56 | EdLin | Nafed: iyntays |
| 04:28.14 | Nafed | ? |
| 04:28.16 | shimano55 | interbird, ??? |
| 04:28.38 | absolutzero | that seems to have worked |
| 04:28.43 | interbird | Phated: && seperates the apt-get commands |
| 04:29.11 | interbird | shimano55: Just a moment please... |
| 04:29.14 | Phated | interbird: I'm aware. But you can do apt-get install mc x-window-system gdm synaptic xfce4 |
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| 04:29.30 | fidget | when I first started installed debian on this machine I used apt-get x-window-system .... and used the auto detect settings because i had no idea what kinda video card is in this pos ... now when I apt-get upgrade ... it installed a new version of x-window-system and is asking for what kind of card it is .. how would I check which one it is using now? |
| 04:29.46 | interbird | shimano55: It is not a hda but a hdan where n is the partition |
| 04:30.02 | interbird | shimano55: The a from hda is your first disk |
| 04:30.05 | fidget | I could have written that better x.x .... |
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| 04:30.41 | shimano55 | interbird, so what would the command be to mount it??? I already made the mount point |
| 04:30.46 | interbird | shimano55: Thus: if you made this fat-partition on the third partition of your second disc... |
| 04:31.36 | interbird | shimano55: It would be /dev/hdb2 -- mkdir /t && mount /dev/hdb2 /t |
| 04:31.44 | Lewoco | Does anyone know where all the Microsoft Windows people hang out on IRC? |
| 04:31.45 | liable | fidget: lspci.. and google |
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| 04:32.04 | zero-1 | excuse how can I get mono for ppc? |
| 04:32.14 | liable | fidget: or look in xf86config.. |
| 04:32.23 | interbird | shimano55: It would be /dev/hdb2 |
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| 04:33.08 | interbird | shimano55: Mount it with: mkdir /t && mount /dev/hdb2 /t |
| 04:33.18 | fidget | thanky liable .... |
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| 04:33.38 | reole | hello,I typed aptitude install x-windows-system but it didnt work. |
| 04:33.53 | liable | !doesn't work |
| 04:33.53 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 04:33.54 | shimano55 | interbird, mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 04:34.00 | bob2 | zero-1: mono appears to have been built fine for ppc |
| 04:34.00 | zero-1 | how can i get mono for ppc??? im on macintosh powerbook G3 |
| 04:34.02 | fidget | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.08 | fidget | is that it liable/ |
| 04:34.10 | fidget | ? |
| 04:34.16 | zero-1 | is there a way to get it with apt? |
| 04:34.26 | bob2 | zero-1: sudo apt-get install mono |
| 04:34.26 | liable | fidget: yes |
| 04:34.36 | fidget | ah score .... thanks mucho much |
| 04:35.20 | absolutzero | hmm how many KB is 2meg? |
| 04:35.34 | reole | 20048 |
| 04:35.37 | reole | 2048 |
| 04:35.38 | shimano55 | interbird, am i supposed to run all of those commands? |
| 04:35.39 | absolutzero | danke |
| 04:35.42 | zero-1 | I already tried apt-get install mono |
| 04:35.45 | zero-1 | dindt work |
| 04:35.47 | liable | fidget: should be i810 driver.. |
| 04:36.05 | fidget | nods |
| 04:36.07 | interbird | shimano55: Then try mount -t msdos /devhdb2 /t -- where hdxy is where your fat partition is -- are you sure you know where it is ? |
| 04:36.09 | fidget | time for a reboot ... |
| 04:36.32 | bob2 | zero-1: "dindt work" is not a useful description of the problem |
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| 04:36.44 | bob2 | zero-1: if you got an error from apt, paste the whole error and your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 04:36.48 | shimano55 | interbird, Well theres my windows partition, the linux ext, then the swap |
| 04:36.50 | shimano55 | then the fat32 |
| 04:36.58 | shimano55 | all one disk |
| 04:37.00 | mage | hmm ctrl+alt+f1 from xorg doesn't work |
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| 04:37.30 | zero-1 | ok |
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| 04:38.37 | BibTeX | is there anyway to bypass dvd regions? |
| 04:38.44 | BibTeX | is there any driver |
| 04:38.51 | BibTeX | any firmware to update |
| 04:38.52 | BibTeX | ? |
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| 04:39.11 | interbird | shimano55: I am also reading a book: Would you mind putting a : after my nick instead of a , ? -- The : makes a sound so i can interrupt my reading to answer you |
| 04:39.17 | liable | mage: does here.. |
| 04:39.42 | shimano55 | ooo |
| 04:39.46 | interbird | shimano55: Sorry, what was your question ? |
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| 04:40.22 | shimano55 | interbird: I have my Win partition, my Linux ext, and the swap partition |
| 04:40.35 | shimano55 | interbird: then is the Fat32, now how can I mount it? |
| 04:40.42 | absolutzero | brb gonna see if X will boot |
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| 04:41.51 | interbird | shimano55: Are you in Linux now ? (and root) |
| 04:42.01 | shimano55 | im in a root terminal |
| 04:42.04 | mage | liable: well yes it usually does |
| 04:42.12 | mage | but I have no idea why it doesn't work |
| 04:42.22 | shimano55 | sry |
| 04:42.30 | liable | mage: check bts, theres also an option in the config iirc.. |
| 04:42.33 | shimano55 | interbird: im in linux in a root terminal |
| 04:42.52 | mage | bts? |
| 04:42.58 | interbird | shimano55: fdisk -l will show you how your disk is layed-out |
| 04:43.17 | shimano55 | interbird: hmm... |
| 04:43.31 | shimano55 | interbird: It just ran the command and exited, no output |
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| 04:43.59 | liable | !tell mage about bts |
| 04:44.00 | dcstimm_ | oh my god! I just dropped my harddrive on my pinky toe! |
| 04:44.02 | interbird | shimano55: What does uname -a say ? |
| 04:44.25 | shimano55 | interbird: Linux localhost 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:45.24 | interbird | shimano55: And fdisk -l produces no output ? |
| 04:45.32 | shimano55 | interbird: nope |
| 04:45.35 | _keroppi_ | How do I ask the bot about getting old debian packages? |
| 04:45.53 | bob2 | _keroppi_: how old? |
| 04:46.15 | interbird | shimano55: Interesting... Let me think and read for just a moment... |
| 04:46.20 | _keroppi_ | bob2: kernel-image-2.6.11-* |
| 04:46.25 | shimano55 | interbird: ok |
| 04:46.56 | bob2 | _keroppi_: snapshot.debian.net might have it |
| 04:47.10 | zero-1 | i think i finally made it |
| 04:47.48 | majnoon | doing apt-get update i get thois :::: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
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| 04:49.07 | marin_zzZz | hi |
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| 04:49.20 | bob2 | majnoon: usually means you're behind a broken proxy |
| 04:49.23 | majnoon | acording to google search that means debian is updating |
| 04:49.39 | majnoon | no proxy that i know of |
| 04:49.48 | aiyaiyairc | still installing debian, but when finished, what is the recommended software firewall? |
| 04:49.54 | majnoon | how fix ?? |
| 04:50.00 | deadcat | majnoon: wait for it |
| 04:50.36 | majnoon | does debian have a "status " page ??? |
| 04:50.47 | bob2 | status of what? |
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| 04:51.08 | mhall | What is the canonical KDE method of ripping a DVD? |
| 04:51.16 | majnoon | they are updating apt mirrors |
| 04:51.16 | interbird | shimano55: Get's more interesting, I have the same on a 2.4 system, I'm dropping my book, hang-on... |
| 04:51.21 | mhall | I have one that's got a sector glitch that's crashing VLC. |
| 04:51.32 | shimano55 | ok =) |
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| 04:52.23 | majnoon | it just THAT inde |
| 04:52.27 | majnoon | index |
| 04:52.50 | gozz | Edlin you still around? |
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| 04:53.06 | majnoon | testing/contrib |
| 04:53.36 | interbird | shimano55: Try cfdisk -- does this show anything ? -- pressing Q exits cfdisk |
| 04:54.08 | JimButton | wow, i have a project in audacity which has about 6 minutes stereo sound, and saving it as a project uses more than 100MB? i'd like to give this program some sort of bloat award |
| 04:54.53 | shimano55 | interbird: yes, that shows my partitions |
| 04:54.56 | shimano55 | but the Fat isn't there |
| 04:55.10 | shimano55 | mabye I needed to restart to windows for Partition Magic to finish its shit |
| 04:55.32 | stew | JimButton: it defaults to a crazy bitrate, you should drop the default working bitrate |
| 04:55.38 | shimano55 | interbird: i' |
| 04:55.39 | interbird | shimano55: Do you have 1 2 or 3 or more disks -- on which disk did you make the partition and how ? |
| 04:55.55 | stew | JimButton: iirc it defaults to a bitrate which is double the bitrate of cd quality |
| 04:56.00 | shimano55 | interbird: I have one 60gb disk, I made the partitions with Partition Magic |
| 04:56.09 | JimButton | stew: ok, thx, i'll check that |
| 04:56.10 | interbird | shimano55: Why ? Dit it crash ? |
| 04:56.31 | shimano55 | interbird, no no, but it said the system wil need to reboot to apply changes |
| 04:56.35 | shimano55 | and I just went back to linux |
| 04:56.41 | shimano55 | lemme try going to windows |
| 04:56.45 | JimButton | stew: stupidly this ibook also has a pretty slow hard disk, so saving took ages :) |
| 04:56.46 | shimano55 | see what happens |
| 04:56.50 | stew | JimButton: file->preferences->quality |
| 04:56.50 | shimano55 | be back in a coupla seconds |
| 04:56.56 | interbird | shimano55: That's normal. |
| 04:57.02 | stew | JimButton: you want to drop that to 44 or 48, from 96 |
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| 04:57.05 | shimano55 | brb |
| 04:57.48 | interbird | shimano55: But it might be a good idea to run partition magic again just to make sure the partition is there. |
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| 04:58.10 | JimButton | stew: hmm, that is already at 44.1k |
| 04:58.13 | mhall | What is the canonical KDE method of ripping a DVD? I have one with a sector glitch that's crashing VLC. |
| 04:58.26 | interbird | shimano55: Even Linux cannot mount what is not there, i think... |
| 04:58.34 | JimButton | stew: i know that it makes sense to use double sampling rate for professional audio stuff |
| 04:59.04 | majnoon | http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 04:59.23 | mhall | JimButton: Also wouldn't a program like audacity save into WAV by default? |
| 04:59.30 | mhall | JimButton: FLAC would be 30% smaller. |
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| 05:00.35 | majnoon | its say for ftp.debin.org :: 7: The local trace file is missing |
| 05:01.04 | JimButton | mhall: but flac would always have to be compressed/decompressed every time you start/quit the program |
| 05:01.37 | JimButton | mhall: it saves as .au, but yes, that is basically the same as .wav |
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| 05:08.36 | kadigibox | Does anyone know of any problems with SATA DVD burners? |
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| 05:08.46 | host` | finally |
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| 05:09.37 | majnoon | netsplit ?? |
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| 05:11.17 | absolutzero | cool got it, used xf86config instead of dpkg-reconfigure to force the xserver to run at 1024x768 |
| 05:11.18 | host` | I'm on sarge, how should my sources.list file look for updates? |
| 05:11.36 | absolutzero | looks and runs better at 70hz instaed of 85hz |
| 05:12.02 | absolutzero | crap |
| 05:12.09 | absolutzero | mouse wheel is not working now... |
| 05:12.13 | host` | ahh... that was another question of mine, now I', at 800 |
| 05:12.20 | majnoon | host ::: apt-get update as su |
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| 05:12.24 | host` | I need to switch to 1064 |
| 05:12.38 | absolutzero | host: need to run at 1024? |
| 05:12.53 | absolutzero | kk |
| 05:13.00 | absolutzero | use xf86config |
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| 05:13.14 | JimButton | damn, i need a faster computer with a gigantic hard disk to edit audio... |
| 05:13.25 | absolutzero | if you have them, look at the manual for your video card and monitor |
| 05:13.29 | SpamIrwin | hey guys ive got pureftpd on my debian box.. how would i make pureftpd add a user when i do an adduser |
| 05:13.30 | absolutzero | if not google for them |
| 05:13.41 | absolutzero | find what they can and cannot handle |
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| 05:14.18 | absolutzero | you need to know the Horizontal Sync and Vert Sync of your monitor |
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| 05:14.44 | absolutzero | also make sure you know where your mouse is sitting |
| 05:14.51 | absolutzero | mine was sitting at /dev/psaux |
| 05:15.06 | absolutzero | I set xf86config to /dev/mouse and it crashed |
| 05:15.20 | host` | how do I find out what mouse protocol I'm using? it should be PS/2 |
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| 05:15.33 | host` | or should I chose Auto? |
| 05:15.47 | host` | Auto worked on the installation |
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| 05:15.50 | absolutzero | Auto didn't work for me |
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| 05:16.04 | absolutzero | does anyone know how I can get my wheel mouse working again? |
| 05:16.21 | host` | absolutzero: did you use Auto in the debian installation? |
| 05:16.26 | absolutzero | yes |
| 05:16.44 | absolutzero | but it is diffrent in xf86config |
| 05:16.49 | absolutzero | hmm |
| 05:16.58 | absolutzero | lets give er another go |
| 05:17.03 | absolutzero | brb |
| 05:17.21 | TwistedEmotions | [i386] [ia64] [m68k] <<--- Which do I use for Celeron processors? |
| 05:17.22 | absolutzero | me and the xserver are constantly fighting lol |
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| 05:17.29 | absolutzero | i386 |
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| 05:17.35 | absolutzero | I am using a celeron |
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| 05:17.47 | host` | xf86config is confusing |
| 05:17.50 | absolutzero | i386 is actualy ix86 |
| 05:17.54 | shimano55 | interbird: ok, not cfdisk is showing the Fat32 partition |
| 05:18.04 | absolutzero | choose delete |
| 05:18.05 | shimano55 | hda4 it says |
| 05:18.11 | absolutzero | then write |
| 05:18.14 | bob2 | "ix86"? |
| 05:18.28 | absolutzero | i386,486,586,686 etc |
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| 05:18.44 | TwistedEmotions | absolutzero: so i386? |
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| 05:19.01 | absolutzero | I think the Pentium one was originaly a 686 processor or something like that |
| 05:19.03 | shimano55 | interbird: You there? |
| 05:19.05 | absolutzero | or a 586 |
| 05:19.09 | TwistedEmotions | absolutzero: for a celeron processor? |
| 05:19.15 | TwistedEmotions | kk thanks |
| 05:19.23 | absolutzero | use i386 |
| 05:19.27 | absolutzero | works just fine |
| 05:19.37 | SpamIrwin | hey guys ive got pureftpd on my debian box.. how would i make pureftpd add a user when i do an adduser? |
| 05:19.53 | absolutzero | script it |
| 05:19.56 | absolutzero | using sh |
| 05:20.24 | absolutzero | write a script that checks for new lines in the users files |
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| 05:20.47 | absolutzero | then get the username and write it to the proftd users |
| 05:20.51 | absolutzero | brb |
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| 05:21.19 | host` | WTF kind of questions are those |
| 05:21.20 | bob2 | Debian doesn't run on actual i386 cpus anymore |
| 05:21.35 | bob2 | SpamIrwin: configure it to use PAM for authentication |
| 05:21.46 | bob2 | SpamIrwin: which means finding an irc channel or user mailing list for it |
| 05:22.03 | SpamIrwin | ok, thanks |
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| 05:24.16 | majnoon | is there a way to redo apt-get dist-upgrade ,i think had BAD deb files |
| 05:24.49 | bob2 | no, you didn't |
| 05:24.57 | bob2 | unless you explicitly configured apt to use broken packages |
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| 05:25.39 | xixor | yo |
| 05:25.54 | majnoon | is there a way to check at least ?? |
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| 05:27.13 | bob2 | check what? |
| 05:27.40 | majnoon | to see if i goofed everything up |
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| 05:28.04 | absolutzero | grr |
| 05:28.12 | absolutzero | mouse wheel still not working |
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| 05:29.13 | aiyaiyairc | TOPIC: Display Resolution, on winX, just R-click desktop/properties/change resolution....what is the FASTEST procedure to do the same thing in debian? |
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| 05:29.29 | bob2 | define "change" |
| 05:29.43 | bob2 | if you mean "fix the X configuration to use some other random res", there is no simple solution |
| 05:29.53 | absolutzero | nope |
| 05:29.59 | aiyaiyairc | bob2 >> just change the rez, eg: 800 to 1024 or 1280 to 800, etc... |
| 05:29.59 | jm_ | Windows doesn't give you the choice of using random resolutions either |
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| 05:30.06 | aiyaiyairc | jm_ >> heh |
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| 05:31.10 | aiyaiyairc | when installing i choose 1280...right now it's not at it.... |
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| 05:31.26 | cmcq | kde or gnome have a screen resolution change in settings, from the commandline use xrandr |
| 05:31.47 | jm_ | X logfile will hold a clue |
| 05:31.48 | mattfury | I need more ram on this livecd, how do i change it? |
| 05:32.00 | aiyaiyairc | cmcq >> ty .... the highest i see is 800x600 |
| 05:32.17 | aiyaiyairc | this is amazing there's no simple right click/change.... |
| 05:32.18 | mattfury | ?? |
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| 05:32.35 | mattfury | someone help me out her |
| 05:32.37 | mattfury | here* |
| 05:32.38 | aiyaiyairc | what would i need to do have access to higher resolutions, i *did* choose 1280 when installing |
| 05:32.41 | majnoon | is there a way to check if apt-get dist-upgrade was done correctly ?? |
| 05:32.49 | Dewi | is there a GUI to manage raw printing with CUPS? all the GUIs I can find are for specific non-raw stuff.... |
| 05:32.57 | bob2 | aiyaiyairc: then you need to configure X manually |
| 05:33.00 | bob2 | or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:33.00 | absolutzero | ThinkingMousePS/2 is that like the microsoft intellemouse? |
| 05:33.03 | mattfury | aiyaiyairc: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:33.04 | jm_ | Dewi: what raw printing? |
| 05:33.09 | mattfury | argh got it before me :p |
| 05:33.10 | bob2 | majnoon: you haven't defined "correctly" yet |
| 05:33.11 | debeast | yeah finally got open wrt working |
| 05:33.16 | aiyaiyairc | bob2 / mattfury >> just type that at the command line? |
| 05:33.19 | bob2 | Dewi: localhost:631 |
| 05:33.22 | aiyaiyairc | just verifying/ i = n00b |
| 05:33.24 | Dewi | jm_: cups has a raw mode, useful for windows network printing |
| 05:33.27 | absolutzero | I am trying to get xserver to accept my wheel mouse |
| 05:33.33 | absolutzero | or scroll mouse rather |
| 05:33.37 | mattfury | teriminal = command line ./\. yes |
| 05:33.39 | jm_ | Dewi: so what exactly do you want to manage then? |
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| 05:33.51 | Dewi | jm_: I want SAMBA to share my printer |
| 05:33.59 | jm_ | Dewi: read the docs on Samba page |
| 05:34.00 | majnoon | make sure not have bad deb files etc. |
| 05:34.10 | mattfury | someone help my problem |
| 05:34.14 | jm_ | it has detailed steps, then there's the option of talking to CUPS directly from Windows XP machines |
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| 05:34.34 | mattfury | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.35 | mattfury | ?? |
| 05:34.58 | bob2 | mattfury: you don't appear to habve asked a Debian question yet |
| 05:35.11 | absolutzero | one more time... then i give up |
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| 05:35.18 | mattfury | well its a custom deb livecd. |
| 05:35.45 | jm_ | so it's not Debian, get help from whoever created it |
| 05:35.47 | Dewi | jm_: which samba documentation? howto, faq? I'm having trouble finding a good overview of the *many* different approaches |
| 05:36.02 | mattfury | argh noob asks for help? |
| 05:36.13 | mattfury | you can make fun of me? |
| 05:36.20 | mattfury | its for my friend |
| 05:36.30 | bob2 | mattfury: you need to talk to whoever made it |
| 05:36.38 | mattfury | Zevensoft@#avs |
| 05:36.40 | bob2 | mattfury: debian has no live cd, therefore we have no idea how it allocates ram |
| 05:36.56 | aiyaiyairc | mattfury >> ty/ bob2 I typed:dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; got "dpk-reconfigure" command not found error, seeing lots of matches on the net...gonig through them |
| 05:37.07 | jm_ | Dewi: Official howto, with a link right on their front page |
| 05:37.09 | bob2 | aiyaiyairc: that means you mistyped it |
| 05:37.10 | mattfury | i lied trying to get help |
| 05:37.16 | mattfury | its a linspire cd? |
| 05:37.22 | mattfury | linspire live-cd |
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| 05:37.33 | cmcq | aiyaiyairc: is that as root? |
| 05:37.33 | absolutzero | arrrgh |
| 05:37.33 | bob2 | mattfury: so, #lnspire |
| 05:37.39 | bob2 | mattfury: I'm not sure what this has to do with Debian |
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| 05:37.48 | bob2 | mattfury: also, lying to get help is stupid, rude and pointless |
| 05:37.58 | mattfury | i leave now |
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| 05:38.03 | bob2 | great |
| 05:38.09 | absolutzero | does anyone have anysuggestions as to how to get the wheel on my mouse working? |
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| 05:38.16 | aiyaiyairc | debconf ....ging to try typing that... |
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| 05:38.21 | bob2 | aiyaiyairc: no |
| 05:38.25 | aiyaiyairc | k |
| 05:38.28 | bob2 | aiyaiyairc: run the command I actually suggested |
| 05:38.35 | bob2 | not some other one you typoed out of thin air |
| 05:38.48 | liable | heh |
| 05:39.02 | absolutzero | what does debconf do? |
| 05:39.07 | smartbhai | hi people .. i have problem running apps .. xchat , xine wont work says font library cannot be initiliazed .. what will be the problem |
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| 05:39.35 | bob2 | smartbhai: sounds like you either installed broken non-Debian applications, have massive disk corruption or deleted things you shouldn't have |
| 05:39.56 | absolutzero | so no advice on the mouse dilemma? |
| 05:40.09 | bob2 | absolutzero: perhaps you should just do what you were told 10 minutes ago |
| 05:40.12 | Mortalman | What's the easiest way to increase my volume if I don't have any audio apps installed ? |
| 05:40.15 | smartbhai | bob2 : i had no problem yesterday .. today it created some problem |
| 05:40.23 | bob2 | smartbhai: sounds like your disk is failing them |
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| 05:40.30 | bob2 | smartbhai: put the output of "dmesg" in #flood |
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| 05:41.01 | smartbhai | bob2 : the problem is on another machine .. i have to get it will take some time |
| 05:41.04 | aiyaiyairc | bob2 >> okay, here's what i did, maybe i'm using the wrog window hehe ; .... i press the little ICON up top that says "Terminal Command Line" |
| 05:41.35 | moreon | bob2: aurax is wondering why he can't speak in here, just FYI. |
| 05:41.41 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 05:41.43 | aiyaiyairc | bob2 >> as soon as that window pops up, i typed "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" , get error "bash: dpkg -reconfigure: command not found" |
| 05:41.55 | moreon | ok :) |
| 05:42.00 | absolutzero | run su |
| 05:42.02 | absolutzero | log in as root |
| 05:42.10 | absolutzero | dpkg is in roots path |
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| 05:42.20 | absolutzero | lol that happened to me today to lol |
| 05:42.22 | bob2 | aiyaiyairc: dude, stop it |
| 05:42.30 | aiyaiyairc | absolutzero >> gotcha ty |
| 05:42.34 | EdLin | !tell absolutzero about enter |
| 05:42.35 | bob2 | aiyaiyairc: you're making typoes all over the place |
| 05:42.46 | bob2 | and it's a waste of our time to help you if you can't even be bothered to check |
| 05:42.56 | smartbhai | bob2 : another ques , how can i permanantly enable dma for disks |
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| 05:43.38 | aiyaiyairc | bob2 >> hehe <bob2> or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .......dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 05:43.48 | absolutzero | maaan edlin, I was trying to help the guy... so a line by line usally makes the instructions clearer |
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| 05:44.07 | absolutzero | yaiyairc: you're making typoes all over the place |
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| 05:44.08 | absolutzero | <bob2> and it's a waste of our time |
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| 05:44.20 | aiyaiyairc | lol |
| 05:44.50 | absolutzero | ? |
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| 05:45.40 | aurax | ty bob |
| 05:45.58 | absolutzero | oh well. I'll eventually get the ol wheel mouse to work |
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| 05:46.08 | bob2 | holy bajoly |
| 05:46.09 | bob2 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:46.13 | bob2 | enable mouse wheel |
| 05:46.14 | bob2 | enjoy |
| 05:46.31 | absolutzero | I dodn't see that option |
| 05:46.53 | ke6isf | OK, so after a power outage, gnome started four - count 'em, four - instances of xchat, ten aterms, and two jpilots. How do I prevent this sort of thing from happening without a UPS? |
| 05:46.55 | Dewi | it's right after "do you want 3button emulation" |
| 05:47.01 | smartbhai | how can i enable dma for disks from grub |
| 05:47.07 | Dewi | which is right after you choose your mouse |
| 05:47.10 | absolutzero | hmmm |
| 05:47.16 | absolutzero | I'll have a look |
| 05:47.17 | bob2 | ke6isf: unfuck the session |
| 05:47.27 | bob2 | ke6isf: gnome-session-properties |
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| 05:49.01 | absolutzero | enable scroll events on mouse wheel? |
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| 05:49.28 | EdLin | !drxx absolutzero |
| 05:49.29 | dpkg | absolutzero: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 05:50.16 | aiyaiyairc | while at the Terminal, did CTRL-ALT+f2 to be able to login as root, after doing the command dpkg-etc... typed logout, now back at "blackscreen" login, what would the command be to return to the gui? |
| 05:50.18 | foe | how install freenx? |
| 05:50.25 | bob2 | wtf |
| 05:50.26 | absolutzero | will I need to reboot the machine or just the xserver? |
| 05:50.30 | ke6isf | !freenx |
| 05:50.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, freenx is debs at http://kanotix.com/files/debian |
| 05:50.39 | Dewi | aiyaiyairc: it's probably on ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 05:50.40 | jm_ | freenx is in Debian now I thought |
| 05:50.41 | bob2 | there's so much crack in here I can feel my nose bleeding |
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| 05:50.50 | jm_ | :) |
| 05:51.00 | bob2 | and now a netgod |
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| 05:51.11 | ke6isf | The Bob(c)? |
| 05:51.24 | foe | thnx |
| 05:51.38 | aiyaiyairc | Dewi >> ty |
| 05:51.42 | jm_ | doesn't seem to be in Debian yet, maybe it was removed with X.org? |
| 05:51.52 | jm_ | or maybe it's just me remembering it incorrectly |
| 05:52.53 | smartbhai | i want to run the startx command at startup |
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| 05:53.33 | Gweedo | I'm having problems with apt-get its saying undev:depends:initscripts (>=2.85-16) |
| 05:53.53 | bob2 | Gweedo: are you using sid? |
| 05:53.54 | smartbhai | and i give it in a script in /etc/init.d and give a link in /etc/rc2.d but startx won work and shows some xauth errors |
| 05:54.09 | Dewi | jm_: I was trying to get NX going the other week; it wasn't in debian then |
| 05:54.12 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: how do I get dpkg to /msg someone figlet output? |
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| 05:54.33 | Gweedo | i dont beleive |
| 05:54.34 | jm_ | Dewi: yeah, maybe I just remember it incorrectly, and aren't those debs you install very small? |
| 05:54.40 | Dewi | jm_: somebody had debs for it somewhere, but they needed a lot of stuff that wasn't in testing |
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| 05:54.57 | jm_ | Dewi: maybe it's a result of Etch having X.org now |
| 05:54.58 | Dewi | like it needed a new libc |
| 05:55.13 | Dewi | so maybe with all the recent changes in testing it'll work... haven't tried yert |
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| 05:56.23 | Gweedo | thanks i fixed it |
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| 05:59.31 | amahbod | hello all |
| 05:59.45 | amahbod | i have 2 networking cards |
| 05:59.52 | amahbod | one of them is not getting an ip addr |
| 05:59.57 | amahbod | how can i try to fix that? |
| 06:00.00 | aiyaiyairc | when going back tghrough the config, is it needed to "enter the video card's bus identifier" ? it's a dual head ATI firegl card..., searching now |
| 06:00.07 | Dewi | amahbod: getting an IP from where? |
| 06:00.14 | amahbod | Dewi, dhcp server |
| 06:00.23 | amahbod | Dewi, eth0 is getting an IP fine, but eth1 isnt. |
| 06:01.30 | Dewi | amahbod: probably you need to set up dhclient |
| 06:02.23 | smartbhai | how can run X at the boot up |
| 06:02.56 | Dewi | smartbhai: install gdm? I heard that "gnome-desktop-environment" package might include the stuff you need |
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| 06:04.31 | host` | how do I set X11 to set my resolution to 1024? |
| 06:04.42 | host` | right now it's at 800 |
| 06:05.17 | Dewi | host`: gnome has a "screen resolution" applet |
| 06:05.36 | Dewi | under "preferences" in the new version |
| 06:06.04 | Dewi | (are you in a gnome environment?) |
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| 06:06.19 | host` | I'm in KDE right now, but I'm pretty sure that won't be an option, I don't think it was the last time I installed debian |
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| 06:06.27 | smartbhai | Dewi : i dont want gdm i just want X |
| 06:06.28 | aiyaiyairc | Dewi >> yup, just found that out |
| 06:06.39 | Dewi | smartbhai: gdm is a thing that starts X/gnome on boot |
| 06:06.39 | zamolxes | host`: there is one. or you can use xrandr |
| 06:06.50 | blarman | is a 600Mhz celeron a 686 ? |
| 06:06.52 | smartbhai | Dewi : i want it to read my .xinitrc file and start my custom app |
| 06:06.53 | zamolxes | host`: but i guess you didn't setup XF86Config-4 properly |
| 06:07.08 | Dewi | host`: if you can't find a resolution to your liking you can configure Xserver again |
| 06:07.11 | Dewi | !drxx host` |
| 06:07.12 | dpkg | host`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:07.18 | host` | 800 x 600 is the highest |
| 06:07.23 | host` | ty |
| 06:07.25 | Dewi | host`: then do that ^^ |
| 06:07.34 | zamolxes | smartbhai: update-rc.d |
| 06:07.49 | host` | I'll have to restart KDE after tha right? |
| 06:07.55 | zamolxes | host`: X even |
| 06:07.57 | Dewi | I'd imagine so. |
| 06:08.02 | Dewi | yeah, X. |
| 06:08.02 | host` | yeah |
| 06:08.07 | zamolxes | what's with the funny backtick? |
| 06:08.44 | aiyaiyairc | host` >> im going through the same thing ;) |
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| 06:09.25 | zamolxes | i smell that crack as well |
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| 06:09.42 | smartbhai | zamolxes : i did that and i gave exec Xfree86 in the script but it shows some x auth error |
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| 06:10.35 | zamolxes | what? |
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| 06:11.04 | zamolxes | you need to create a script in /etc/init.d to your liking and update-rc.d that_script defaults |
| 06:11.49 | aiyaiyairc | right now, i typed "lspci" to get the PCI bus identifier (dont' know if this is correct) I see "0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI ...." |
| 06:12.19 | smartbhai | zamolxes : ok is " #!/bin/bash exec Xfree86 " enough in my script to startx X |
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| 06:12.38 | aiyaiyairc | at the "xserver-xfree86" "please enter the video card's bus id" i typed "PCI:0000:01:00.0" but getting "not in a recognized format" |
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| 06:13.02 | stew | aiyaiyairc: unless you have two cards or are on a mac, leave it blank |
| 06:13.46 | netgod | aiyaiyairc: PCI:00:01:00 |
| 06:13.46 | aiyaiyairc | stew >> have a multi-head... one VGA/one DVI... it does say this method will only configure one... |
| 06:14.10 | netgod | aiyaiyairc: also XF thinks in decimal while lspci reports in hex; not important for the number 1, but good to know |
| 06:14.15 | aiyaiyairc | netgod >> bammo! thanks, going through it to see what happens! |
| 06:14.48 | netgod | the .0 is actually a subfunction on the card, not a real device; ignore it |
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| 06:15.09 | aiyaiyairc | netgod >> copy/pasted to txt :) good info for sure, was trying tons of different combos |
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| 06:15.25 | host` | alright, I chose simple before, should I choose medium this time? |
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| 06:15.37 | Dewi | !confuse Dewi |
| 06:15.38 | dpkg | No, them is your gouda tomorrow, Dewi? shirts of the dictatorship of belarus with extra herring |
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| 06:21.33 | rhalff | hi I messed up many file permission and now Im not able to su to root. |
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| 06:21.45 | rhalff | I can login as a normal user |
| 06:21.47 | rhalff | and can log in as root |
| 06:21.49 | rhalff | but I fail to su to root. |
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| 06:21.54 | Dewi | rhalff: what does it say? |
| 06:21.55 | rhalff | I think it must be a filepermission problem somewhere. |
| 06:22.06 | rhalff | but I don't know what file |
| 06:22.09 | rhalff | uh wait :) |
| 06:22.11 | Liquid_Tension | anyone able to help with a phpbb2 config using mysql? |
| 06:22.47 | rhalff | unix_checkpw user unknown |
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| 06:22.56 | rhalff | and pam_unix errors, failed login. |
| 06:23.06 | Liquid_Tension | wow, first question to not recieve an immediate answer in #debian so far ;) |
| 06:23.09 | net21 | hi!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:23.27 | aiyaiyairc | what is the cmd to view the Version of Xfree486 installed? |
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| 06:23.53 | aiyaiyairc | s/486/86 |
| 06:23.54 | sep | Liquid_Tension, perhaps becouse you didn's ask a real question, more of a request for holding your hand |
| 06:24.27 | Liquid_Tension | sep: hmmm...good point |
| 06:24.41 | elmer | helllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 06:24.51 | sep | Liquid_Tension, but it you asked what was exaclty the problem perhaps someone would reply |
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| 06:25.30 | elmer | hello!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:25.42 | Dewi | empty: sshh. |
| 06:25.45 | Dewi | oops |
| 06:25.47 | Dewi | elmer: sshh |
| 06:25.50 | Liquid_Tension | I'm having trouble with the phpbb2-config-mysql script, it cannot create the table. I assumed it may be due to access with mysql, but I must admit I'm as unexperienced there as with phpbb |
| 06:25.54 | rhalff | Dewi, any idea what su needs and a normal login doesn't ? |
| 06:25.56 | sep | elmer, there are 650 people in this channel, dont bother trying to greet them all |
| 06:26.31 | elmer | dewi: hi! aslplzzz |
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| 06:26.31 | argon_ | aiyaiyairc: dpkg --list x11-common |
| 06:26.32 | sep | Liquid_Tension, if you dont know mysql properly, then using phpmyadmin helps a lot |
| 06:26.39 | aiyaiyairc | argon >> ty |
| 06:26.41 | madradrone | anyone know of a run-your-own ssl proxy server? |
| 06:26.53 | sandman | I enjoy asking Debian questions in Gentoo. |
| 06:27.02 | noble- | oh no |
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| 06:27.08 | sep | Liquid_Tension, first thing to do is set a root password for your mysql install, then you can just paste the sql 'script' into the sql box in phpmyadmin |
| 06:27.42 | elmer | dewi;im back!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:27.43 | Liquid_Tension | sep: how is it I set one of those? |
| 06:28.00 | sandman | Question: how possible would this be?: emerge something statically in Gentoo, have portage make a package, alien the package into a debian package, move it up from the gentoo chroot and install it on the debian install atop it |
| 06:28.07 | Dewi | !ops elmer seems to be an aslbot |
| 06:28.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: elmer seems to be an aslbot |
| 06:28.16 | sep | Liquid_Tension, have you even read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server |
| 06:28.39 | sandman | Would this actually work okay since it's static? Or could is possibly work just by extracting the tarball without using alien into /usr/local? Since it's statically linked, you know. |
| 06:28.41 | elmer | 22/m/phils.u? |
| 06:28.42 | Liquid_Tension | sep: of course....and by of course I mean no, and realize i probably should |
| 06:28.56 | madradrone | sandman: why not make a deb from the upstream source? are you lazy? |
| 06:29.17 | elmer | dewi: 22/m/phils.u? |
| 06:29.18 | elmer | dewi: 22/m/phils.u? |
| 06:29.28 | sandman | madradrone: Yes. |
| 06:29.38 | sandman | madradrone: Make a deb, send it to a maintainer? |
| 06:29.41 | madradrone | sandman: the work you'd have to do to kosherize all that crap from alien would probably be way more than just building the damn package properly from source |
| 06:30.13 | sandman | madradrone: kosherize? You mean, make it not conflict with all the other debian packages? |
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| 06:30.26 | madradrone | sandman: send to maintainer? you can make your own debs and use them as you like. i even have my own mini-repository for my own ones |
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| 06:30.38 | sep | elmer, your in the wrong place type /server irc.undernet.org |
| 06:30.42 | sandman | madradrone: How about just extracting the statically linked stuff in the tarball created by portage into /usr/local? |
| 06:30.50 | madradrone | sandman: no, i mean cleanup scripts and such |
| 06:30.56 | elmer | anhi: asl? |
| 06:31.12 | sandman | madradrone: cleanup scripts. |
| 06:31.21 | sandman | Well, I think it's official: I need to learn yet even more about Debian |
| 06:31.28 | CrazyP | can someone point me to a good place on creating a .deb? |
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| 06:31.41 | zamolxes | !nmg |
| 06:31.41 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 06:31.45 | madradrone | sandman: i don't know what is the statically linked stuff from portage you mean |
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| 06:31.59 | zamolxes | CrazyP: ok? |
| 06:32.11 | CrazyP | zamolxes, that works. thanks. |
| 06:32.18 | sandman | madradrone: I mean just compile the stuff statically so it has no runtime dependencies |
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| 06:32.21 | Liquid_Tension | sep: if I understand it correctly, I should be using mysqladmin -u root password <password> yeah? |
| 06:32.35 | madradrone | sandman: and why? |
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| 06:32.52 | sandman | madradrone: So if I just make the package (.tgz) from portage (you can tell portage to do this automatically), I could just tar xvf[j,z] the tarball into /usr/local |
| 06:33.01 | sandman | madradrone: on the debian install |
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| 06:33.19 | sandman | madradrone: See, I run gentoo in a chroot since I think it's too unpredictable |
| 06:33.22 | madradrone | sandman: like i said, just make a deb from the source. what you are suggesting borders on not making any sense |
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| 06:33.42 | madradrone | sandman: what package in particular are you thinking of? |
| 06:33.46 | sandman | madradrone: I know how to use it well, too. I still just prefer that Debian Stable be running atop, if I can help it. |
| 06:34.01 | sep | Liquid_Tension, yes, |
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| 06:34.22 | reole | woo hoo,quake 3 on ppc linux :D |
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| 06:34.27 | sandman | madradrone: Well, I just rememeber that before sarge was stable, running Debian Stable was rather difficult with all the new software. |
| 06:34.31 | fireba11 | morning ppl |
| 06:34.40 | madradrone | sandman: then run xen with openbsd or sarge as dom0 and whatever you want as slave domains |
| 06:34.44 | sandman | madradrone: I was compiling basically everything, and handling very difficult dependency issues |
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| 06:35.01 | sep | Liquid_Tension, also keep in mind that mysql have more then 1 root user, you can have root@localhost and root@hostname and you should set password for both. |
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| 06:35.17 | watog | sep: ur liar |
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| 06:35.43 | sep | watog, my default installes have that ? your dosnt ? |
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| 06:36.07 | sandman | if I just did that, I might save a little time with dependency handling with so many source packages |
| 06:36.12 | watog | wat does it mean sep!!!! |
| 06:36.16 | sep | watog, can it be something i have made when setting the password perhaps incorrectly? |
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| 06:36.27 | sandman | And still keep Debian for most stuff, security updates and what-not |
| 06:36.40 | watog | wat isda password |
| 06:36.43 | Liquid_Tension | sep: every variation on what i just told you is returning an access denied for root@localhost and depending on the variations I'm getting usingpassword: NO and YES |
| 06:36.43 | watog | wat is da password |
| 06:36.45 | watog | wat is da password |
| 06:36.49 | sandman | I might also just use a bunch of VMs like you said, Xen etc that'd work too |
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| 06:37.01 | Jamsi | has anyone had any experiance with Linux and VLAN's?? |
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| 06:37.13 | sandman | Jamsi: No but I wish I had :) |
| 06:37.23 | Jamsi | hehe |
| 06:37.25 | watog | jamsi: me iav experience with dat! |
| 06:37.29 | mooded | hey all.. anybody knows how i can avoid a dialog-box coming up, while i install a package somewhere ? (i try to prepare an unattended installation of the package on a server i wont have access to ) |
| 06:37.31 | watog | jamsi: me i av experience with dat! |
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| 06:37.42 | Jamsi | cool, you disconnected |
| 06:37.58 | sep | Liquid_Tension, you sure you havent configured your password allready ? |
| 06:38.01 | Hyperlink | Does this channel offer debian tech support? |
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| 06:38.24 | sandman | Hyperlink: Depends. |
| 06:38.26 | aurax | does anyone got apache2+proftpd to allow users enter the box and change their website files etc |
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| 06:38.31 | mooded | isnt there an environment variable for regulating when dialog-boxes pop up ? |
| 06:38.32 | sep | Hyperlink, idealy yes... but your milage may vary |
| 06:38.36 | ke6isf | Hyperlink: No, it doesn't. We secretly support OS/2. |
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| 06:38.51 | fireba11 | aurax: yes, why ? |
| 06:38.51 | Jamsi | "In Russia we only had two TV channels. Channel One was propaganda. Channel Two consisted of a KGB officer telling you: Turn back at once to Channel One." |
| 06:38.55 | Liquid_Tension | sep: not except for the off chance that I did it without knowing it. but I normally know when I'm putting in a password ;) |
| 06:38.56 | argon_ | mooded: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install foo |
| 06:38.59 | sandman | And, I admit it... I run windows in a vmachine |
| 06:38.59 | aurax | i need to do such a thing fireba11 can u help me out |
| 06:39.05 | mooded | argon_: thanks a lot. |
| 06:39.05 | argon_ | mooded: man 7 debconf |
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| 06:39.12 | mooded | argon_: gonna read it |
| 06:39.13 | fireba11 | aurax: what's your problem ? |
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| 06:39.45 | aurax | well i got apache2 using www-data:www-data as u/g and i want users to be able to access to their dirs with ftp and upload files i got tiny permissions problems |
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| 06:39.56 | aurax | where should i start from to make it work |
| 06:40.59 | fireba11 | aurax: that means u got a problem setting permissions right not specifically with apache2 or proftp ^^ |
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| 06:41.40 | sep | Liquid_Tension, type mysqldump mysql user, if that fails with permsions then you have a pw set, then you can try mysqldump mysql user -p |
| 06:41.57 | Hyperlink | When I set my screen to anything above 800x600 I get lines thorugh my screen, my cursor turns into a huge square that is changing colors and things seem obviously broken. |
| 06:42.01 | aurax | yes fireba11 |
| 06:42.02 | Hyperlink | Can anyone offer advice? |
| 06:42.12 | aurax | like what permission i should set on proftpd/apache u/g and what permissions on dir |
| 06:42.24 | sandman | Hyperlink: Drivers |
| 06:42.26 | sep | Hyperlink, my advice is that you give more detail, like what card what driver and what xfree/xorg |
| 06:42.53 | sandman | Hyperlink: I've had that before. Broken drivers. I had that silly behavior with a radeon igp 340M and yes, what x version |
| 06:42.53 | liable | grr, install hanging at ide module.. :( |
| 06:42.57 | jm_ | and after that look at driver options and tinker with them (disable various acceleartions/features) |
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| 06:43.30 | Hyperlink | Card is a Radeon Mobility 9000. |
| 06:43.35 | sep | aurax, your users should set their files world readable, and the directory the files are in should also be world accessable |
| 06:43.47 | jm_ | you could try using X.org server |
| 06:43.48 | Liquid_Tension | sep: I assume the jibberish I got when using the dump with "-p" the second time means I figured out the right password |
| 06:44.06 | aurax | sep what chmod is it |
| 06:44.10 | ke6isf | Hyperlink: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 06:44.14 | sep | Liquid_Tension, correct, are you using debian ? |
| 06:44.44 | Liquid_Tension | sep: yeah, ok, I changed the password |
| 06:44.58 | sandman | How often do people come here with questions that have nothing to do with Debian? Or try to fool you all into believing they're running Debian when it's obvious they're not? |
| 06:45.09 | sep | sandman, houerly |
| 06:45.16 | ke6isf | sandman: Just hang out here on Sunday for that answer. =^_^= |
| 06:45.59 | Liquid_Tension | sep: back to the config script. for some reason it's giving me errors creating the tables. Somewhere I can go for a log to see what went wrong? |
| 06:46.21 | aiyaiyairc | how to allow *permission* for *user* to have full access to a given dir? |
| 06:46.49 | ke6isf | aiyaiyairc: chmod and/or chown. |
| 06:46.52 | sandman | aiyaiyairc: man chmod |
| 06:47.09 | Liquid_Tension | sep: will I need to create a user for phpbb or will the script handle that for me? |
| 06:47.09 | sep | aurax, i thougt you said they used ftp ? you dont run chmod from ftp (afaik) |
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| 06:47.20 | Hyperlink | I'm running 3.1 |
| 06:47.27 | Hyperlink | The latest stable release. |
| 06:47.30 | aiyaiyairc | ke6isf / sandman >> ty , off to search on syntax... |
| 06:47.33 | aurax | nono |
| 06:47.36 | aurax | they dont |
| 06:47.46 | aurax | i just want them to access their webdirs |
| 06:47.47 | sep | Liquid_Tension, that should be explained in the /usr/share/doc/phpbb2* |
| 06:47.48 | ke6isf | Hyperlink: what video driver are you using? |
| 06:47.56 | sep | Liquid_Tension, i'v never installed that im afraid |
| 06:48.00 | aurax | apache is using www-data and u/g and webdirs are all chown by www-data:www-data |
| 06:48.10 | aurax | chown to* |
| 06:48.15 | Liquid_Tension | sep: ok, thanks for your help with mysql though :D |
| 06:48.21 | Hyperlink | Ati generic monitor |
| 06:48.28 | ke6isf | aurax: Am I understanding correctly that you want your users to have their own web directory? |
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| 06:48.35 | sep | aurax, how you expect your users to upload into a directoy owned by www-data ? |
| 06:48.54 | jm_ | sep: because he doesn't understand the concept of permissions/ownership |
| 06:48.59 | sep | aurax, your users must own thir own directories www-data only need read access. you can do that easily by setting world readble |
| 06:49.29 | aurax | apache need's write access |
| 06:49.31 | nkuttler | aurax: why don't you use ~/public_html ? |
| 06:49.41 | aurax | nkuttler whats that |
| 06:49.43 | ke6isf | aurax: apache need is write access? |
| 06:49.57 | aurax | yeah its cms need files like configuration.php |
| 06:50.01 | aurax | that you write while edit |
| 06:50.04 | nkuttler | aurax: the place where users put their html |
| 06:50.06 | aurax | with sql backend |
| 06:50.12 | aurax | i thought about symlink |
| 06:50.14 | aurax | inside their dir |
| 06:50.56 | nkuttler | aurax: go to apache.org and read their documentation |
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| 06:51.06 | sep | aurax, apache only need write access if your web visitors are going to upload files, and then you should do that in a directory spesific for that task, giving apache write access all over the site is asking to be defaced |
| 06:51.42 | Hyperlink | ke6ist: Thank you for assisting. |
| 06:52.17 | ke6isf | Hyperlink: Yer welcome. |
| 06:52.28 | sandman | Me too |
| 06:52.56 | Hyperlink | ke6ist: Do you have any idea what might be wrong? |
| 06:54.00 | sep | Hyperlink, tried another driver ? arent the radeon mobility's a bit awkward driverwise ? |
| 06:54.55 | sandman | I find that radeon IGP drivers are the most screwed up, but that's just my humble opinion. |
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| 06:55.04 | vird | hello all |
| 06:55.51 | sep | the nvidia one liner is the reason i buy nvidia exclusivly :) |
| 06:56.01 | vird | I have setup a no-network network between my ibook and debian using iptables to share a ppp connection. I find that the mac is not utlising all the bandwidth available ... |
| 06:56.15 | sandman | I heard something about ati opensourcing drivers or something. Perhaps it was VIA, not sure |
| 06:56.24 | vird | sep: video card companies are crappy ;) they don't provide opensource drivers .... |
| 06:56.28 | aiyaiyairc | would this be correct? "chmod 700 USERNAME ./home/user" to enable full access to all subfolders/files? |
| 06:56.31 | sep | Hyperlink, have you installed ati spesific drivers ? what driver are you using in your config ? |
| 06:56.46 | vird | nvidia/ati are both useless when it comes to opensource ... |
| 06:56.59 | sep | aiyaiyairc, add -r fir recursive going thru subdirectories |
| 06:57.22 | sep | aiyaiyairc, and read man chmod before you mess up your system please |
| 06:57.24 | maakud | aiyaiyairc: the comand you give will disable access not enable it. |
| 06:57.39 | sandman | vird: This is why I say we all need CNC machines and downloadable Open Hardware designs to be fed into it |
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| 06:58.03 | sep | aiyaiyairc, read man chmod for changing permissions, read man chown for changing users |
| 06:58.12 | sandman | vird: Although the steps necessary to eventually make your way to fabricating CPUs from a CNC.. well, it might take a while |
| 06:58.14 | maakud | vird: useless is a strong word. only GL does not work. |
| 06:58.35 | aiyaiyairc | sep >> roger /maakud ...trying to understand the syntax, don't quite get it...obviously |
| 06:58.37 | aiyaiyairc | chmod [a/o/g/u] [+ or -] (plus or minus sign) [r/w/x] |
| 06:58.56 | sep | maakud, what other reason do you see for mying a $$$ gfx card. :) |
| 06:59.12 | Hyperlink | sep: I installed my drivers through the default installation process. I said it was ati, etc etc, did things on medium. I don't know how to go in and replace drivers. I'm a total newbie. |
| 06:59.13 | vird | maakud: deadweight<---->useless<---->good<---->excellent ;) |
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| 06:59.32 | maakud | aiyaiyairc: the symbolic ones which you described is what i remember. numeric ones are for machines :) |
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| 06:59.46 | aiyaiyairc | whoever was asking about ATI drivers, search for "ATI Linux driver packages for debian" at search engine, ther'es a special page there |
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| 06:59.58 | aiyaiyairc | maaakud >> ahh |
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| 06:59.59 | Hyperlink | sep: I currently only have one other problem besides this, so I think I've been doing "okay". |
| 07:00.03 | sandman | aiyaiyairc: Why don't you just send a link? |
| 07:00.04 | vird | sandman: i somehow think it is going to take a lot longer to get your own chip fabrication .... |
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| 07:00.07 | aiyaiyairc | i haven't used chmod since back in the day w/perl |
| 07:00.14 | aiyaiyairc | sandman >> it's on my debian machine lol |
| 07:00.19 | aiyaiyairc | im typing on windows |
| 07:00.21 | Hyperlink | aiyaiyairc: thank you. |
| 07:00.24 | vird | and it might bring in patents on these instructions and that .... so you can't use this ... |
| 07:00.27 | vird | etc etc ;) |
| 07:00.28 | aiyaiyairc | Hyperlink >> np |
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| 07:00.40 | maakud | vird,sep: in other words it is better than a card where you cannot even get X! |
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| 07:01.06 | sandman | vird: Yes, primarily because if people could go as far as making their own CPUs, they'd also have the ability to make a lot of other things like spoons and forks and automobile parts, etc |
| 07:01.08 | bcc | what's the difference between cdebootstrap and debootstrap? |
| 07:01.12 | sep | Hyperlink, then your in for a roughf start, getting ati cards to play ball is something even experienced users can get issues with. |
| 07:01.17 | vird | maakud: that would be under the deadweight category ;) |
| 07:01.19 | Hyperlink | sep: Everything else seems to be working "okay" except for one other problem, but this one is the most pressing as things are a bit difficult to read. |
| 07:01.33 | sep | Hyperlink, i'd say more sane ahrdware would have given you a much better introduction but :) |
| 07:01.53 | sandman | vird: Which would mean the end of the modern economy, total financial fallout of the world, chaos, anarchy, and the green party's total domination of the world. |
| 07:01.58 | Hyperlink | sep: This is the laptop I've got... |
| 07:02.15 | sep | Hyperlink, can only recomend you read what dpkg say about ati and radeon, i avoid ati for their hopeless drivers |
| 07:02.27 | aiyaiyairc | after man chmod in terminal how to exit the manual back to regular terminal? besides closing/reopning new window? |
| 07:02.27 | sandman | vird: So yes, a long time indeed. |
| 07:02.32 | sep | !tell hyperlink about ati |
| 07:02.43 | sep | aiyaiyairc, q |
| 07:02.43 | Hyperlink | !tell? |
| 07:02.51 | Hyperlink | Ah. |
| 07:02.54 | aiyaiyairc | or is shift_ctrl+n the only method.. |
| 07:03.02 | vird | sandman: haha even today you are being controlled and directed ... its only going to get worse before all hell breaks lose ;) |
| 07:03.02 | maakud | vird, sep Hyperlink: you see sometimes hardware comes in packages. can't avoid ati/nvidia. can only complain to laptop manufacturer. |
| 07:03.02 | aiyaiyairc | oops |
| 07:03.04 | sep | aiyaiyairc, type man man |
| 07:03.04 | aiyaiyairc | ty |
| 07:03.13 | aiyaiyairc | lol |
| 07:03.16 | aurax | dpkg, symlinks |
| 07:03.16 | sep | maakud, you can buy a different laptop |
| 07:03.31 | vird | sep: there is hardly any choice ... |
| 07:03.34 | sep | maakud, i tend to check what i get before i pay :) |
| 07:03.38 | vird | sep: its either nvidia or ati ;) |
| 07:03.54 | vird | and marginally there are intel based ones ... |
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| 07:04.10 | sep | vird, nvidia is a few notches easier then ati tho... the nvidia one liner makes nvidia drivers a snap to install |
| 07:04.18 | aurax | !symlinks |
| 07:04.21 | aurax | !symlink |
| 07:04.23 | aurax | err |
| 07:04.26 | aurax | k nvm |
| 07:04.37 | peterS | aurax: if you don't know what you want, use /msg so we don't have to find that out (: |
| 07:04.56 | maakud | aiyaiyairc: usually man starts up "less" pager. so q will quit it. |
| 07:05.08 | peterS | q will quit most pagers |
| 07:05.35 | peterS | possibly all in debian. a few might ask for confirmation |
| 07:06.04 | aurax | doesnt work petemc |
| 07:06.06 | aurax | peters |
| 07:06.09 | aiyaiyairc | roger that ;) ty all, /me goes back to chmod...tutorial hunt |
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| 07:07.08 | peterS | Chris62vw! |
| 07:07.18 | Chris62vw | yo! :-) |
| 07:07.20 | sep | aiyaiyairc, start herer http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/doc/debian/ |
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| 07:07.24 | maakud | Esaj: i see that you are very very afraid. |
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| 07:07.34 | sandman | vird: Are you sure? |
| 07:07.38 | peterS | maakud: good call |
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| 07:07.46 | Chris62vw | 00:06 <[MysTerYgIrL]> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 07:07.46 | sep | aiyaiyairc, read especial 7.1 in your case |
| 07:07.53 | Chris62vw | got that when I joined |
| 07:07.54 | Hyperlink | Dang. This is annoying. So I might not be able to reliably see things on Debian? :-( |
| 07:07.57 | sandman | vird: I don't watch TV, I have only one friend and that's my woman, she only really has one friend and that's me |
| 07:08.00 | Chris62vw | someone ban |
| 07:08.04 | peterS | !ops [MysTerYgIrL] pr0n spammer |
| 07:08.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: [MysTerYgIrL] pr0n spammer |
| 07:08.12 | Chris62vw | haha |
| 07:08.29 | peterS | it's a "nick highlight everyone who can do anything about it" command |
| 07:08.33 | Chris62vw | right |
| 07:08.59 | Chris62vw | I need to install a new keyboard that has less keys than this one. I plugged it in but enter didn't work |
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| 07:09.09 | louisjohn | hi |
| 07:09.19 | louisjohn | how do I use the bittorrent on the ubuntu |
| 07:09.26 | Eclipser | !ubuntu |
| 07:09.26 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
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| 07:09.29 | aiyaiyairc | sep >> ty! |
| 07:09.30 | Chris62vw | what do I have to edit to make the keyboard work? thanks |
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| 07:09.33 | fireba11 | louisjohn: try #ubuntu ^^ |
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| 07:09.36 | sandman | vird: I pretty sure I'm not being controlled as my views and opinions are so far off the map they couldn't have possibly have been created with whatever info I see in the real world as an immediate influence. |
| 07:09.45 | louisjohn | i got kicked off the servers |
| 07:09.50 | louisjohn | by my swearing |
| 07:09.55 | sandman | vird: But I do know what you're talking about. |
| 07:10.06 | Hyperlink | !ops |
| 07:10.06 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 07:10.14 | peterS | Chris62vw: so like, the keyboard works but certain keys don't work? what is this, usb? |
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| 07:10.24 | Chris62vw | peterS, ps2 |
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| 07:10.34 | sandman | vird: I also believe my generation will bring the end to the world as we all know it, simply because it has been such an incredible failure. |
| 07:10.36 | vird | sandman: em did i do something to kick up this tirade of remarks ? nvidia vs ati ? |
| 07:10.42 | Chris62vw | peterS, its an older keyboard without the windows key and other bullshit |
| 07:10.49 | Hyperlink | Um. debian:/home/linkrjh# apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src |
| 07:10.49 | Hyperlink | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.49 | Hyperlink | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.49 | Hyperlink | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.49 | Hyperlink | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:10.56 | louisjohn | help |
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| 07:11.21 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 07:11.24 | vird | sandman: yes i think its getting worse already ;) but it will get better ... sorry was distraced for a moment ;) |
| 07:11.25 | peterS | Chris62vw: hrrrm, most keyboards have compatible layouts for stuff like that. you can try 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' |
| 07:11.25 | Hyperlink | I take it that message was too long? :-/ |
| 07:11.30 | Eclipser | that's pretty rude to force /part |
| 07:11.30 | sep | Hyperlink, correct |
| 07:11.32 | sandman | vird: I'm tired, I get on rants. I also am very disappointed with most people. But I figure they deserve to be enslaved by television and the media anyway. The smart will always enslave the dumb somehow. |
| 07:11.34 | Chris62vw | it has three less keys it appears |
| 07:11.49 | Chris62vw | peterS, thanks, I'm going to do just that |
| 07:11.54 | liable | Hyperlink: read the #debian faq |
| 07:11.57 | nsx | any idea what package the rndc utility is in for debian stable? i have the bind9 package installed, but i have no "rndc" utility anywhere... |
| 07:11.58 | Nielsen | sandman: true... |
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| 07:12.05 | Hyperlink | I apologize. apt-get can't find the fglrx-driver. |
| 07:12.08 | sandman | vird: If you don't like being enslaved, try becoming smart :) You may enjoy it more when you're the one pulling the strings. |
| 07:12.09 | vird | sandman: its still darwin's law at work ;) survival of the fittest ;) |
| 07:12.14 | Hyperlink | liable: K. |
| 07:12.17 | nkuttler | nsx: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:12.28 | nsx | hm i guess it's ndc for some reason |
| 07:12.31 | nvz | !find bin/rndc$ |
| 07:12.31 | sep | nsx, i got it from bind90 |
| 07:12.33 | sep | nsx, i got it from bind9 |
| 07:12.34 | peterS | nsx: "apt-cache showsrc bind9 | grep Binary" - shows what packages are built from that same source |
| 07:12.43 | herfo | heya folks. lilo is failing to install as the last step to either MBR /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 on debian sarge (amd64). VC3 says "/dev/mapper/sysvg-boot is already mounted or /boot is busy". This is because im using LVM for boot. The advanced lilo setup allows me to enter alternative syntax (/dev/ide/bus0/host0...). Is it possible to use that format to get it to work? |
| 07:12.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/rndc' (1): (/usr/sbin/rndc) in net/bind9. |
| 07:12.50 | maakud | sandman: the "unscrupulous smart" will try to enslave the dumb. the "really smart" will make the dumb smarter. |
| 07:12.57 | vird | sandman: haha yeah that's what i am trying to do but success and failure are not really about being smart of otherwise ;) its about if you are ready to cheat or not ;) |
| 07:13.05 | nsx | sep: stable? |
| 07:13.10 | Hyperlink | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.17 | vird | if you have scruples you are dead ;) |
| 07:13.23 | sep | nsx, yes |
| 07:13.30 | nvz | Hyperlink: man mount |
| 07:13.37 | sema4 | anyone here know how of any apps to crack a passwd from /etc/passwd (not shadow) ... someone some moron has 1) manged to reset the root passwd (there's only one other 'admin') and not rememberd what is it. 2) not have it in /etc/shadow (yet every other users is in shad 3) if I had physical access to it i'd just reboot into init=/bin/bash ... but I dont ... and I dont was to get the chinese gimp to give "linux" a go (cause we all know linux==fedora==linux) |
| 07:13.37 | sep | nsx, its in /usr/sbin/rndc |
| 07:13.39 | sandman | vird: Very true. Although the less fit are allowed to live simply because they're good for work :) Slavery is still very much in the world today, except it's not obvious at all. It's done through all sorts of layers of obfuscation like these sheets of pressed cotton called "money", bills, television, schooling, etc. It's really quite magnificent if you think about it :) |
| 07:13.52 | nkuttler | Hyperlink: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 07:13.55 | peterS | nsx: right, ndc is from bind v8, rndc is bind v9, but both probably live in /usr/sbin since they're not useful for non-admins |
| 07:14.25 | nsx | yeah i misread.. i had bind 8 installed |
| 07:14.25 | mwilson | sema4: That's not even original for a kiddie. |
| 07:14.28 | aiyaiyairc | odd/i haven't read everything of course, but after doing "ls -l /home" it shouws "drwxr -xr -x" for USER....but when i try and do the following "home/user/installer.run" get a Permission denied |
| 07:14.29 | nsx | it was bind9-host i had installed |
| 07:14.34 | nsx | i apologize |
| 07:14.38 | sema4 | mwilson: what's now orig? |
| 07:14.45 | peterS | nsx: ahhh. I don't know why bind 8 and bind 9 have different names for the control program. |
| 07:14.46 | sandman | vird: Yip. Religion, imho, is something for the weak. It's great for making people unsure about themselves, and sometimes totally incapable of doing the truly Right Thing. But, this convo is going way off the mark now :) |
| 07:14.56 | nsx | rndc is more secure, i think |
| 07:14.59 | nsx | than ndc was |
| 07:15.04 | nkuttler | aiyaiyairc: what installer? |
| 07:15.08 | nvz | nsx: no apologies, fell free to confuse yourself :P |
| 07:15.09 | aiyaiyairc | but that document makes it seems like i should have full access to /home, espcially when got drwxr -xr -x |
| 07:15.14 | peterS | nsx: could be, but they still could have named it the same and given it a more or less compatible interface |
| 07:15.17 | sandman | maakud: That's what the really really smart folk would like you to think :) |
| 07:15.27 | sep | nsx, aiyaiyairc if you are the owner yes. |
| 07:15.32 | vird | sandman: Religion is just another form of dictatorship ... |
| 07:15.41 | vird | most of them anyways ... |
| 07:15.41 | mwilson | sema4: I think you're going to find few people willing to help you crack someone else's box. |
| 07:15.50 | aiyaiyairc | nkuttler >> it's a long ass name "ati-driver-installer-8.16.20-i386.run" |
| 07:16.08 | mwilson | sema4: Or to believe the inevitable claim that it's actually your box. |
| 07:16.08 | sema4 | mwilson: on the contrary ... it's "my" box (being hosted somwhere else) |
| 07:16.15 | aiyaiyairc | according to ati when ran, that app allows user to choose linux distro |
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| 07:16.21 | sema4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.23 | sep | aiyaiyairc, silly you you want to set execute on the file have nothing to do with the directory |
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| 07:16.38 | litage | pdfnup's manpage says "A LaTeX papersize, for example a4paper". where can i find other latex papersizes? |
| 07:16.42 | sep | aiyaiyairc, chmod o+x /home/username/file.run |
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| 07:17.08 | mwilson | sema4: Perhaps it is, more likely it's not... but there's no way anyone here can tell either way. |
| 07:17.17 | aiyaiyairc | sep >> thank you, appreciate the spoonfeeding in this case entirely, ;) |
| 07:17.25 | sandman | vird: I think there's some sense in it, and some rationality. But it's relative to old customs and an old world. It's also filled with some stuff that is obviously full of crap, such as Deuteronomy :) Well, it's been fun all, but I'm tired, and I think my nose is broken. |
| 07:17.26 | sema4 | mwilson: what I'd realy like to know ... is how the passwd is in passwd and not in shadow |
| 07:17.41 | nkuttler | aiyaiyairc: did you read the ati section in the faq? |
| 07:17.47 | sep | aiyaiyairc, if you read the link i posted earlier you in its entierty it will be worth it |
| 07:17.47 | peterS | sema4: whoever last changed the password did it before changing the system over to use /etc/shadow |
| 07:17.51 | sema4 | all my other systems have "x" as the pass ... (ie "look in shadow") |
| 07:17.54 | nvz | sema4: the passwd should not be anywhere on the system |
| 07:17.59 | vird | sandman: take care ;) nice talking to you ;) |
| 07:18.03 | sema4 | peterS: negative |
| 07:18.04 | Hyperlink | "bash: /dev/hda5: Permission denied" It doesn't let me. Logged in as the root user. |
| 07:18.07 | zamolxes | sema4: ask your hoster to cleanup your machine, and then restore from backups. |
| 07:18.17 | maakud | litage: paper sizes are defined in document class. e.g. /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls |
| 07:18.32 | sema4 | zamolxes: like i already said ... the china gimps aren't debian competant |
| 07:18.33 | bob2 | Hyperlink: when running what command? |
| 07:18.48 | sema4 | zamolxes: but it looks like im gonna have to resort to it |
| 07:19.04 | aiyaiyairc | nkuttler >> about redheat/suse only? /if that's what you mean....but also it said it can support others...not sure if same thing |
| 07:19.08 | peterS | sema4: this isn't about debian, any flavor of linux would give you the same recovery options |
| 07:19.10 | maakud | litage: but perhaps these are the same as those given in /etc/papersize (man papersize) |
| 07:19.23 | zamolxes | sema4: no, clean up means "clean fedora install, ready for restore from backups" |
| 07:19.26 | aiyaiyairc | sep >> will do |
| 07:19.29 | sema4 | zamolxes: like i said ... normally I'd just reboot linux with the cmd init=/bin/sh, remount rw, reset the passwd , remount ro, reboot |
| 07:19.31 | litage | thanks maakud |
| 07:19.33 | reole | hello,what do I set the runlevel to if I dont want the xserver to start by default? |
| 07:19.48 | sema4 | zamolxes: /me looks around |
| 07:19.49 | mwilson | reole: Nothing. This is Debian, not DeadRat. |
| 07:19.52 | peterS | reole: uninstall your display manager, is the easiest way. apt-get remove xdm |
| 07:19.53 | sep | sema4, you havent sudo installed and configured ? |
| 07:19.56 | nkuttler | !tell aiyaiyairc about faq |
| 07:20.01 | nvz | reole: none, the runlevels arent configured by default, they are all the same |
| 07:20.08 | sema4 | sep: negative |
| 07:20.13 | mwilson | sep: Not his box, remember? |
| 07:20.15 | reole | thanks guys |
| 07:20.21 | maakud | reole: you can setup one such runlevel. |
| 07:20.23 | peterS | reole: there's little reason to have a display manager installed if you don't want it to start by default. for other purposes, startx is just as good |
| 07:20.25 | Hyperlink | bob2: dev/hda5 /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=linkrjh,gid=linkrjh,unmask=002 0 0 |
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| 07:20.37 | sep | mwilson, if he's suposed to know the root pw... it's 'his' enoughf to install sudo :) |
| 07:20.41 | zamolxes | sema4: anyway, you diserve it. i have random passwords setup everywhere, and a very long passphrase for my key |
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| 07:20.41 | peterS | reole: but as others have said, if you *do* want to customize your runlevels you can do so - play with the symlinks in /etc/rcN.d/ |
| 07:20.42 | bob2 | Hyperlink: that's an fstab line, not something bas runs |
| 07:20.46 | zamolxes | deserve even |
| 07:20.52 | reole | ya i want to remove it |
| 07:21.07 | litage | maakud: hrm, i just searched through all of the latex document classes for a0 and it came up with nothing. does that mean that my latex installation doesn't support a0? |
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| 07:21.24 | aiyaiyairc | muajajjjjaajajjaja GOT IT!!! |
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| 07:21.37 | peterS | litage: what is a0? for some reason I thought iso paper sizes only went up to A1 |
| 07:21.40 | maakud | litage: unlikely! a0 is too large for latex. |
| 07:21.41 | sema4 | sep: there's only 2 real users on the system ... it's a webserver ... I think im gonna reset all the passwds and lock him out |
| 07:22.29 | zamolxes | pfft |
| 07:22.56 | sep | peterS, A1 .. A0 .. A-1 how about A-9 should cover my house perhaps ? |
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| 07:23.12 | Hyperlink | bob2: That's what dpkg told me to do! I did it in the root terminal. |
| 07:23.19 | maakud | sep: its in reverse. A3 is bigger than A4. |
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| 07:23.25 | bob2 | Hyperlink: I doubt that |
| 07:23.29 | peterS | maakud: right, he said A-9 not A9 (: |
| 07:23.31 | bob2 | Hyperlink: it probably told you to put it in /etc/fstab |
| 07:23.35 | sep | would be excelent for when the kids want to paint... |
| 07:23.41 | peterS | maakud: like, 2^9 as large as A0 |
| 07:23.53 | cahoot | litage: http://lcavwww.epfl.ch/~ridolfi/personal/linuxstuff/latex.html - might help? |
| 07:24.06 | sep | perhaps unconvinient when you want to mail the paining to grandma... but .. |
| 07:24.14 | maakud | got it! depends on the house. |
| 07:24.25 | peterS | sep: right, folding that page for mailing might take awhile |
| 07:24.43 | peterS | so A-9 is 512 m^2 large, or 1024 m^2? |
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| 07:24.56 | peterS | (I forget which one is 1 m^2 - A0 or A1) |
| 07:25.04 | sep | is there a mathamatician in the channel ? |
| 07:25.07 | maakud | peterS: isn't there some limit on the number of times a sheet of paper can be folded? |
| 07:25.12 | cahoot | A0 841mm 1189mm |
| 07:25.24 | peterS | cahoot: right, sounds like 1 m^21 |
| 07:25.27 | peterS | errr, ^2 |
| 07:25.43 | peterS | maakud: I've heard 7 times, but I think that's a matter of the corner not being too messy |
| 07:25.44 | sep | maakud, try it out no mater the size of the paper you can only fold it x times, i think x was 7 but i dont remember |
| 07:26.21 | peterS | possibly x=7 also contains an assumption about the largest piece of paper you're likely to get your hands on |
| 07:26.36 | peterS | like, it might not take into account A-9 paper |
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| 07:27.02 | Hyperlink | bob2: Uh, could you rephrase that? I'm not sure what I could have missed. |
| 07:27.02 | sep | peterS, i think it's more that when you have folded it times it's so thick and stiff you cant fold it again without cutting or tearing ? |
| 07:27.14 | sep | sorry for the offtopic.. :) |
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| 07:27.44 | peterS | sep: I don't have access to paper that large, so it's hard to say. it'll also depend a great deal on the thickness of the paper, I suspect. you can get pretty thin stuff in print shops |
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| 07:28.15 | nvz | 1.. |
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| 07:28.25 | peterS | "bible paper" as I've heard it called, though I do not know why bibles are typically printed on thinner paper than most other books |
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| 07:28.46 | nvz | yep, newspaper page, only folds 7 times |
| 07:28.55 | peterS | dictionaries seem to use fairly thin paper too |
| 07:29.01 | nvz | after that you are just rolling it up |
| 07:29.09 | stoned | how unstable is the current testing release? |
| 07:29.18 | stoned | or rather, how stable |
| 07:29.41 | sep | stoned, it gets new packages daily so not very stable no |
| 07:29.43 | aurax | how can i lock in ssh users in their homedir ? |
| 07:29.54 | peterS | aurax: you really can't, not without a great deal of trouble |
| 07:29.55 | nvz | aurax: you cant |
| 07:29.59 | aurax | sure i can |
| 07:30.01 | sep | !ssh chroot |
| 07:30.01 | dpkg | from memory, ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 07:30.07 | aurax | i was browsing some boxes with that configuration |
| 07:30.17 | nvz | umm no, how would they fuckin ssh unless there was a whole system with an sshd in every homedir |
| 07:30.22 | nvz | and a shell |
| 07:30.22 | jm_ | waste of disk space? PAM chroot module is a huge waste :P |
| 07:30.25 | nvz | etc. |
| 07:30.30 | aurax | c |
| 07:30.31 | aurax | ic |
| 07:30.52 | fireba11 | why would you give them ssh while limiting to homedir anywy ? |
| 07:30.57 | nvz | if your security policy is that bad you need something so dumb, you are worse off than you think |
| 07:31.00 | jm_ | ohh good point, didn't think of tools you need on top of it |
| 07:31.02 | peterS | fireba11: maybe for scp uploading |
| 07:31.12 | peterS | fireba11: you have to admit scp is nicer than ftp for that sort of thing |
| 07:31.13 | bob2 | Hyperlink: the line you pasted is not a command to run |
| 07:31.18 | bob2 | Hyperlink: it's a line you need to add to /etc/fstab |
| 07:31.19 | jm_ | you can use scponly for that |
| 07:31.23 | sep | aurax, it's better to just keep your permisions sane, |
| 07:31.30 | aurax | yeah |
| 07:31.31 | aurax | i know |
| 07:31.33 | fireba11 | peterS: yes .. but for one there is rssh that can be limited to scp |
| 07:31.42 | Hyperlink | bob2: thank you. |
| 07:31.59 | peterS | fireba11: there is. as jm_ notes. but that would be a reason to want to allow ssh but still restrict the person within the filesystem |
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| 07:32.49 | shey_16 | hi |
| 07:33.17 | sep | shey_16, just imagine you have ~650 people greeting you back. |
| 07:33.32 | shey_16 | what |
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| 07:33.54 | larrikin | if only I was so popular... |
| 07:34.05 | shey_16 | what |
| 07:34.28 | larrikin | I said hi shey_16 |
| 07:34.28 | fireba11 | shey_16: ther are 647 people here .. if everyone would anser to your "hi" ... |
| 07:34.42 | nvz | whats that #debian-loosers channel called where they all say hello? |
| 07:34.49 | shey_16 | only u i want |
| 07:34.52 | nvz | I forgot already :P |
| 07:34.55 | stoned | lol |
| 07:35.17 | shey_16 | o know nyok |
| 07:35.25 | larrikin | can someone let me know when we get through with all the introductions ? |
| 07:35.30 | liable | nvz: ##debian? |
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| 07:35.41 | herfo | heya folks. lilo is failing to install as the last step to either MBR /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 on debian sarge (amd64). VC3 says "/dev/mapper/sysvg-boot is already mounted or /boot is busy". This is because im using LVM for boot. The advanced lilo setup allows me to enter alternative syntax (/dev/ide/bus0/host0...). Is it possible to use that format to get it to work? or some form of post install step? |
| 07:35.41 | Hyperlink | !ops |
| 07:35.42 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 07:35.49 | bob2 | what? |
| 07:35.50 | nkuttler | Hyperlink: ? |
| 07:35.53 | nvz | no I think it was something else |
| 07:35.58 | shey_16 | hi bob |
| 07:36.00 | bob2 | nvz: #debian-friendly |
| 07:36.03 | sep | herfo, tried grub ? |
| 07:36.17 | Hyperlink | Just reading something. |
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| 07:36.24 | nvz | yeah that might be it |
| 07:36.29 | herfo | sep. aww crap. debian sarge netinstall defaults to lilo :-P my mate uses grub and reckons he gets it to work |
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| 07:36.36 | streuner | bob2: haha |
| 07:36.46 | nvz | that gave error, No such channel |
| 07:36.49 | sep | herfo, my debian sarge does not default to lilo |
| 07:36.54 | Guerin | nvz: no shit |
| 07:36.55 | nvz | maybe they gave up |
| 07:36.55 | larrikin | #debian-gullible |
| 07:37.04 | Guerin | !larrikin++ |
| 07:37.05 | herfo | sep: netinst? this is also amd64 *grin* |
| 07:37.11 | nvz | heh |
| 07:37.21 | nvz | no, really there is/was such a channel |
| 07:37.22 | reole | how come when I try to scp -r a directory(let say folder 1) it says folder not found?I am typing scp -r me@me.com:/Folder\ 1 ~/ |
| 07:37.26 | sep | herfo, i only do netinst, but unfortunatly i havent had the pleasure of toying with a amd64 yet |
| 07:37.32 | bob2 | that was the one some people from here formed |
| 07:37.37 | bob2 | to be nicer to people |
| 07:37.37 | jm_ | reole: maybe because there are no folders on Unix systems |
| 07:37.39 | sema4 | whats with the new kernel images ? |
| 07:37.40 | sep | !folder |
| 07:37.40 | dpkg | folder is, like, a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 07:37.49 | fireba11 | reole: man scp |
| 07:37.52 | reole | folder is the name |
| 07:37.57 | bob2 | reole: /Folder\ 1 is unlikely to exist on a real unix system |
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| 07:38.01 | larrikin | reole: try putting quotes around the path AND escaping the spaces |
| 07:38.05 | reole | ots a example |
| 07:38.05 | bob2 | reole: and you need to escpae the space twice |
| 07:38.06 | Guerin | sema4: they come with a kernel image, system.map, initrd and some modules |
| 07:38.09 | bob2 | yeah, what larrikin said |
| 07:38.18 | sep | sema4, just new name to prevent future confusing with the hurk kernel |
| 07:38.23 | nvz | so what, the debian fable killed it or what :P |
| 07:38.31 | sema4 | Guerin: i meant ... what's with the change? |
| 07:38.32 | bob2 | they never really took off |
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| 07:38.35 | sema4 | sep: thanks |
| 07:38.37 | sep | s/hurk/hurd/ |
| 07:38.44 | bob2 | the usual story; you need enough smart people to cover most of the day |
| 07:38.55 | fireba11 | !hurk |
| 07:38.56 | reole | thats odd because it works just fine on my yellowdog box |
| 07:39.04 | sema4 | sep: the comments for the package mentioned a "new kern packaging system" /?? |
| 07:39.08 | Guerin | bob2: which is a hard enough task even with ~700 people in a channel |
| 07:39.09 | fireba11 | sep: whats the hurk-kernel ? |
| 07:39.13 | bob2 | Guerin: yes |
| 07:39.14 | jm_ | Guerin: remember the fw rule you added for accounting? |
| 07:39.22 | Guerin | jm_: yeah |
| 07:39.22 | bcc | is it possible to run the installed app without booting? |
| 07:39.25 | sep | fireba11, a typo |
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| 07:39.38 | reole | ah puting quotes around it worked |
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| 07:39.47 | fireba11 | !hurd |
| 07:39.47 | dpkg | hurd is probably a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel. the core of the GNU system and available at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. #hurd-bunny the underground #hurd channel, or |
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| 07:40.06 | shey_16 | hi |
| 07:40.10 | Guerin | !hird |
| 07:40.10 | dpkg | from memory, hird is Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth |
| 07:40.10 | nvz | oh well, it was worth the shot. I think there are alot of simple things we can all do to help the situation like only using my yinzersmite on regulars who can find humor in it :P there is a gray area somewhere between diapers and paddles |
| 07:40.10 | shey_16 | kamzta |
| 07:40.24 | Guerin | they just had to go for a double-recursive acronym |
| 07:40.29 | nvz | s/alot/a lot/ *yinzersmites himself* |
| 07:40.34 | jm_ | Guerin: it turns out just adding a rule without action is enough, so you can add it at the beginning and remove -j stuff - that way it will not affect the packet's fate, but it will serve as a counter only |
| 07:40.38 | shey_16 | kamzta na |
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| 07:41.25 | Guerin | jm_: ah, nice. Well, the -j ACCEPT is redundant, since I already accept all outbound. |
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| 07:41.59 | fireba11 | Guerin: now what is a HSF ? |
| 07:42.00 | Guerin | with a bit of luck, my p4 might be able to run at full clock speed now |
| 07:42.01 | sema4 | what's the source package name for 2.6.12 now? |
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| 07:42.04 | Guerin | !hsf |
| 07:42.04 | dpkg | hsf is, like, the Conexant SoftModem. Need it to work on Linux/Debian? Try here: http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/ |
| 07:42.12 | jm_ | heatsink fan |
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| 07:42.17 | Guerin | !hsf is also HeatSink/Fan |
| 07:42.18 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 07:42.47 | Guerin | sema4: aptitude search 2.6.12 |
| 07:42.50 | fireba11 | ah :-) |
| 07:42.57 | bob2 | linux-source... |
| 07:43.05 | nvz | I found that if I start my day around 3am I get shit done.. most people can get up at 5 or 6 or even later and still get shit done. Never seemed to work for me |
| 07:43.17 | Guerin | i was tempted to buy one which is shaped like a funnel |
| 07:43.30 | reole | debian is a beeatch |
| 07:43.34 | Guerin | but then i reflected that i might have to buy a new PSU to power it |
| 07:43.36 | sema4 | Guerin: I prefere apt-cache ... but thanks |
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| 07:43.51 | Guerin | reole: debian is an operating system. |
| 07:43.58 | nvz | reole: your momma. :P |
| 07:44.00 | reole | hehe |
| 07:44.03 | nvz | whats the problem ? |
| 07:44.11 | deadcat | !your mama jokes |
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| 07:44.31 | reole | xserver wont run |
| 07:44.57 | Guerin | !drxx reole |
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| 07:44.58 | dpkg | reole: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:45.00 | liable | reconfigure it.. |
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| 07:45.03 | nvz | reole: call the police. always makes me run |
| 07:45.08 | reole | ive done all that |
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| 07:45.18 | streuner | reole: what videocard do you have? |
| 07:45.21 | liable | well look in the log.. |
| 07:45.47 | reole | ati rage 128 pro in a g3 imac |
| 07:46.08 | deadcat | reole: then select ati |
| 07:46.13 | reole | i did |
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| 07:46.21 | streuner | reole: run 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' and tell us the output |
| 07:46.26 | nvz | I need some blue dye got some of that damn Calcium Hypochlorite on my dark blue jeans |
| 07:46.26 | deadcat | must be your mouse |
| 07:46.38 | row2 | is there a way to configure grub so if it fails to load a kernel it falls back to a known working one? |
| 07:46.41 | litage | thanks for that, cahoot!! |
| 07:47.10 | reole | no output at all |
| 07:47.21 | Guerin | !tea me |
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| 07:47.41 | Esaj | maakud: fear is the beginning of wisdom |
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| 07:47.48 | streuner | reole: no output at all? is that some PCI-e? |
| 07:47.52 | webfreak | fear leads to anger... |
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| 07:48.00 | reole | its agp i think |
| 07:48.10 | Guerin | row2: test the damn thing first |
| 07:48.26 | row2 | if its in a datacenter not much I can do |
| 07:48.27 | webfreak | somehow it gets to the dark side from there. |
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| 07:48.33 | nvz | I really need to locate the pile of lost things, where everyones' left socks are.. cause the shirt I wanted to wear today is apperently on it |
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| 07:49.51 | streuner | reole: just run 'lspci -v' and paste the whole output into paster (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 07:50.05 | reole | k |
| 07:50.29 | reole | oh,keyboard stopped working |
| 07:51.10 | sep | nvz, give up iv been searching for years |
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| 07:51.55 | reole | oh well,who needs a xserver anyways :D |
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| 07:52.35 | deadcat | with screen, yo dont need x |
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| 07:53.01 | rss | hi where is the default background located in sarge? (default to GNOME). |
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| 07:53.15 | reole | im only using it for a quake 3 server so its all good |
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| 07:53.21 | rss | how to find its location |
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| 07:54.09 | deadcat | rss: somwehere is /usr/share/pixmaps or something maybe. but under /usr/share |
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| 07:55.57 | reole | so who is gonna join me in my new ppc debian quake 3 server? |
| 07:56.03 | nvz | sep: I found my shirt, it wasnt on the pile after all, it was just on the floor under all my right socks that arent lost |
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| 07:56.25 | fireba11 | nvz: juck |
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| 07:57.02 | streuner | reole: Did you paste the output into paster yet? |
| 07:57.04 | shey_16 | hi |
| 07:57.08 | shey_16 | hello |
| 07:57.20 | reole | oh sorry i forgot,I will do it now |
| 07:57.40 | nkuttler | shey_16: you keep saying that since half an hour, do you have anything debian-related to say? |
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| 07:57.41 | dondelelcaro | bob2: figlet output? |
| 07:57.53 | shey_16 | what |
| 07:58.20 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:58.59 | nvz | thats got to be alcohol abuse |
| 07:59.31 | nvz | well the washing machine is doing the hard work now.. I gotta go cook something. not sure what. I had dipped hamburgers with peas, carrots and mashed potatoes for breakfast yesturday I dont think I am doing all that again :P |
| 07:59.53 | shey_16 | ur in marijuana |
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| 08:00.23 | nvz | shey_16: you're on more than marijuana I am sure. |
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| 08:00.43 | yxa | guys what's VSZ and RSS under a ps aux? |
| 08:01.25 | nkuttler | yxa: man ps |
| 08:01.26 | dondelelcaro | yxa: man ps; see virtual size and resident set size. |
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| 08:01.41 | shey_16 | hey |
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| 08:01.45 | reole | I just pasted |
| 08:01.46 | shey_16 | heyn wazzup |
| 08:01.53 | shey_16 | hi reole |
| 08:01.57 | yxa | i didn't understand the man |
| 08:01.58 | reole | hello |
| 08:02.12 | dondelelcaro | yxa: well, ask a specific question about the part that you didn't understand |
| 08:02.21 | shey_16 | ctc |
| 08:02.25 | shey_16 | reole |
| 08:02.31 | reole | yo |
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| 08:02.41 | yxa | ok how do I tell how much memory a process is taking up? |
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| 08:03.02 | reole | top? |
| 08:03.12 | nvz | reole: plonk that crackhead heh. |
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| 08:03.22 | reole | hehe |
| 08:03.23 | dondelelcaro | yxa: ps will tell you; but you have to realize that a large percentage of that memory is shared between multiple processes. |
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| 08:04.44 | reole | im starting up my quake server.Who's gettin fragged? |
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| 08:04.49 | shey_16 | ctc |
| 08:04.53 | yxa | dondelelcaro only in terms of percentage? or do i addup VSZ and RSS |
| 08:04.56 | shey_16 | u all ctc |
| 08:05.03 | reole | ctc? |
| 08:05.06 | shey_16 | W/ me |
| 08:05.13 | shey_16 | asl plz |
| 08:05.16 | gr8ron | :D |
| 08:05.26 | shey_16 | hi |
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| 08:05.37 | dondelelcaro | yxa: no, VSZ and RSS are counting the same thing. |
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| 08:05.40 | gr8ron | hi there |
| 08:05.53 | dondelelcaro | yxa: the percentages reported add up to more than 100%. |
| 08:05.56 | shey_16 | honey hi |
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| 08:06.05 | nkuttler | shey_16: if you have a question, ask it here in the channel |
| 08:06.16 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, can potentially add up to more than 100%) |
| 08:06.28 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: they don't count the same thing |
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| 08:07.01 | shey_16 | but hw |
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| 08:07.07 | dondelelcaro | jm_: they're not equivalent, but some things in the set that VSZ is counting are in the set that RSS is counting |
| 08:07.11 | reole | streuner: you around? |
| 08:07.17 | streuner | sure |
| 08:07.21 | dondelelcaro | (this is what I meant by "counting the same thing") |
| 08:07.24 | reole | i pasted |
| 08:07.25 | shey_16 | reole answer |
| 08:07.36 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: true |
| 08:07.42 | streuner | reole: we need the URL |
| 08:07.48 | shey_16 | fsjnjruiri |
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| 08:07.59 | reole | oh sorry,im a irc noob |
| 08:08.11 | shey_16 | answer me |
| 08:08.13 | shey_16 | ok |
| 08:08.20 | dondelelcaro | shey_16: if you're not going to put together a coherent set of sentences, please go elsewhere. |
| 08:08.38 | nkuttler | what's that chinese channel again? |
| 08:08.43 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:08.45 | streuner | !zh |
| 08:08.52 | streuner | or zn? |
| 08:08.54 | nkuttler | that's why i ask |
| 08:09.01 | shey_16 | fuck off |
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| 08:09.17 | dondelelcaro | right-o |
| 08:09.19 | Gnea | shey_16: no. |
| 08:09.35 | Gnea | idiots everywhere tonight |
| 08:09.43 | yxa | dondelelcaro basically I'm trying to find out how much memory a apache process is using and I want to maximize the number of clients the RAM can handle w/o swapping |
| 08:09.54 | Guerin | man... having a decent hsf really makes some difference |
| 08:09.55 | streuner | !cn |
| 08:09.55 | dpkg | methinks cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 08:09.55 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:10.15 | Gnea | i went into #damnsmalllinux to ask a question and someone said "well i do it this way so this is how you should to it too cuz it works for me" |
| 08:10.21 | jm_ | Guerin: standard ones are OK if you run it at advertised clock speed, yours must have been shitty one |
| 08:10.37 | dondelelcaro | yxa: just keep an eye on free and keep increasing the number of clients until free starts telling you you're running out of buffer and starting to hit swap |
| 08:10.39 | Gnea | stupid fuckers |
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| 08:11.05 | liable | hmm, this has me buggered. i installed sarge on this box before, no probs, got a 1210sa card and two sata drives. now install hangs at ide-disk, tried expert, and eventually its has to be loaded, and then hangs.. |
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| 08:11.17 | gr8ron | generalisation never works |
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| 08:11.29 | gr8ron | NEVER |
| 08:11.32 | reole | http://channels.debian.net/paste/742. |
| 08:11.53 | yxa | dondelelcaro ok. generally, does 1 process only handle one connection? |
| 08:12.10 | dondelelcaro | yxa: that depends on which version of apache you're using and what your configuration is |
| 08:12.33 | Gnea | reole: nice hardware |
| 08:12.39 | reole | hehe |
| 08:12.54 | Gnea | that a g4 or a g5 or..? |
| 08:13.01 | reole | g3 |
| 08:13.05 | Gnea | ah |
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| 08:13.07 | Gnea | cool |
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| 08:13.19 | dondelelcaro | yxa: unless your apache server is really teeny, your pipe is really huge, or you've got stupidly huge/slow cgi scripts, you generally always run out of pipe way before you run out of memory or available connections |
| 08:13.22 | reole | but I have a dual processor g4 |
| 08:13.24 | Guerin | yeah. from 57°C to 36°C at rest; ambient temperature is about 30°C |
| 08:13.29 | sep | liable, i had that once i think... somehow it solved itself. i was messing alot with the sata bios settings trying with legacy, sata first pata first od knows. resetting to defaults etc etc, dont remember what i ended up on |
| 08:13.33 | Guerin | that's underclocked, though |
| 08:13.39 | Guerin | let's fire it up to normal! |
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| 08:14.10 | liable | sep: thats what i am going through atm, been at it a while now though.. |
| 08:14.20 | streuner | reole: what does 'dpkg -l xserver-xfree86' say? (only the version) |
| 08:14.45 | vird | how do i find the status of my local lan connection ? ( i am using a no-network network ) |
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| 08:15.18 | reole | 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4sarge1 |
| 08:15.32 | yxa | dondelelcaro assuming its not the pipe, what could possibly jamming it up? its running php with an mysql conn to an external box |
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| 08:15.43 | Guerin | whee, and about 45°C at full speed, down from ~76 |
| 08:15.48 | streuner | reole: just run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' again and choose ATI |
| 08:16.08 | dondelelcaro | yxa: what do you mean by "jamming it up"? |
| 08:16.12 | reole | i have done that about 5 times already :( |
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| 08:16.23 | denver_ | hi 2 every one |
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| 08:16.29 | reole | hi |
| 08:16.37 | denver_ | hi |
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| 08:16.48 | streuner | reole: hm, what does the logs say about (EE) ? |
| 08:17.07 | reole | let me see.. |
| 08:17.10 | streuner | reole: /var/log/XFree*.log |
| 08:17.20 | denver_ | can i ask somting because im first to use this chat |
| 08:17.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell denver_ -about ask |
| 08:17.33 | yxa | dondelelcaro 100% cpu and no more clients could connect |
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| 08:18.16 | dondelelcaro | yxa: use the paster bot to paste the output of ps axfu; free; and enable mod_status and give the output of http://localhost/status |
| 08:19.37 | dondelelcaro | yxa: and in the future, please tell us the real problem |
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| 08:21.48 | reole | streuner: it says (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 08:22.02 | xiao | Is there any news about gnome 2.12 ? |
| 08:22.18 | streuner | reole: scroll down |
| 08:22.24 | reole | k |
| 08:22.37 | yxa | dondelelcaro sorry got no access to box right now. just trying to figure out myself |
| 08:22.39 | nvz | there were probably over 30,000 people to use this chat so far this year alone, you are hardly the first |
| 08:22.47 | streuner | reole: there should be something like (EE) blah blah blah |
| 08:22.49 | xiao | when will it be port to sid? |
| 08:22.55 | streuner | wir |
| 08:23.06 | reole | that was it right there |
| 08:23.30 | jm_ | xiao: you can read about it on the web ... |
| 08:23.31 | streuner | reole: so no EE somewhere else? |
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| 08:23.46 | reole | (EE) ot EE? |
| 08:24.05 | nvz | gnome 2.10 isnt even fully migrated to etch yet gnome 2.12 is not likely to be even thought about anytime soon |
| 08:24.08 | reole | or* i mean |
| 08:24.24 | streuner | reole: just EE and a error message |
| 08:24.45 | dondelelcaro | yxa: well, that information is necessary to even begin to figure out what is happening. |
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| 08:24.51 | xiao | wait and wait. it is said that gnome 2.12 has a very good stablity. |
| 08:25.29 | nvz | !garnome |
| 08:25.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, garnome is at http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/, or it's also a bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and tweakers everywhere. Those not paying attention can stay after class. |
| 08:25.30 | reole | streuner: that was it |
| 08:25.52 | streuner | reole: how do you start X at all? |
| 08:26.09 | reole | i cant |
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| 08:26.15 | reole | i try |
| 08:26.31 | streuner | via 'startx' or via (x)dm? |
| 08:26.32 | reole | but it doesent work |
| 08:26.36 | reole | startx |
| 08:26.37 | xiao | can gnome packages of ubuntu be used for sid? |
| 08:26.48 | dondelelcaro | xiao: not without going insane |
| 08:26.58 | liable | heh, the installer still uses insmod even for 2.6.. |
| 08:27.08 | streuner | reole: did you create an .xsession file? |
| 08:27.08 | nvz | gnome is not now, has never been nor will it ever be a priority of debian |
| 08:27.08 | maakud | xiao: why do you ant gnome 2.12? |
| 08:27.15 | gr8ron | reole: just grep "(EE)" /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 08:27.25 | liable | bastard ide-disk module.. |
| 08:27.31 | Guerin | nvz: i wouldn't necessarily say that. It's on CD1. |
| 08:27.37 | nvz | maakud: you must have missed the news "it is said that gnome 2.12 has a very good stablity." |
| 08:27.37 | reole | streuner: no,am I suppose to? |
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| 08:27.38 | Gnea | nvz: that's the best thing i've heard all day. |
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| 08:27.49 | streuner | reole: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 08:27.56 | reole | k |
| 08:28.15 | maakud | aah. very stable gnome on very unstable system. good combination. |
| 08:28.22 | xiao | maakud: i just heard that it has some new feathers and is more stablle |
| 08:28.26 | nvz | Guerin: heh, thats calculated by a popularity contest of users, and you know it. has nothing to do with the priorties of debian developemnt |
| 08:28.44 | nvz | I didnt know gnomes had feathers |
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| 08:28.59 | xiao | dondelelcaro: you mean using utunbu's packages is dangouse? |
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| 08:29.03 | Guerin | nvz: irrelevant. |
| 08:29.04 | maakud | nvz: after tar is applied feathers are easy. |
| 08:29.15 | gr8ron | :DD |
| 08:29.17 | nvz | heh, yeah I imagine so |
| 08:29.22 | dondelelcaro | xiao: quite likely, yes. |
| 08:29.39 | dondelelcaro | xiao: in any case, it's not something that we're going to recommend or support here. |
| 08:30.09 | nvz | xiao: you can look into garnome or something. gnome has bootable live test versions of their latest stuff available. |
| 08:30.29 | dondelelcaro | xiao: see http://oskuro.net/blog/2005/09/13/ |
| 08:30.37 | xiao | dondelelcaro: en, thanks. |
| 08:30.57 | maakud | xiao: latest gnoppix is also dpkg-based. |
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| 08:31.19 | xiao | nvz: i just hope it is ported to sid as soon as possible:) |
| 08:31.31 | nvz | Guerin: yeah my thoughts exactly. it being on cd1 is irrelevant :P |
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| 08:31.55 | nvz | gnome takes up the first 5 cds or so.. including deps like hal and udev |
| 08:32.26 | dondelelcaro | nvz: eh? cd1 shouldn't depend on anything that is on cd2 |
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| 08:32.48 | streuner | !tell reole about wm |
| 08:33.10 | liable | yay, wrong cd.. old sarge installer.. |
| 08:33.17 | NiklasH_work | hi, does anyone else have problems connecting to security.debian.org? |
| 08:33.26 | dondelelcaro | NiklasH_work: /topic |
| 08:33.44 | NiklasH_work | dondelelcaro: damn, sorry... :) |
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| 08:34.04 | NiklasH_work | any particular reason for the slowness? |
| 08:34.11 | whosurddy | having problem with enlightenment... i want menus in a subdirectory structure where file.menu has entry to appsMENU/index.menu and that menu might have yet another entry pointing to another subdirectory like dbMENU/index.menu that lists all my db apps in that directory.. only trouble is, enlightment only seems to recognize the FIRST subdirectory level.. |
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| 08:34.19 | streuner | x packages which cost bandwidth |
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| 08:34.34 | NiklasH_work | ok, guess ill have to wait a bit then |
| 08:34.35 | maakud | NiklasH_work: security takes a long time to set up properly :) |
| 08:34.40 | reole | oh computer frozze |
| 08:34.43 | NiklasH_work | maakud: how true :) |
| 08:34.48 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I have no idea about that. gnome meta package depends on a lot, which in turn all has its own deps. to get all of tasksel "Desktop Environment" which installs kde and gnome you need 5 cds. only things it really pulls of 5 is hal and udev. which are somewhere down the line part of gnome's vfs setup |
| 08:34.52 | streuner | NiklasH_work: read debian-security ML |
| 08:34.53 | dondelelcaro | NiklasH_work: http://master.debian.org/~joey/klecker.eth0-day.png should give you a fairly good idea |
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| 08:35.11 | Eclipser | whosurddy, try #e :) |
| 08:35.21 | NiklasH_work | dondelelcaro: lol, i see |
| 08:35.24 | whosurddy | thanks.. |
| 08:35.29 | NiklasH_work | poor s.d.o... |
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| 08:36.06 | furbsd | i heard i can install whatever i want with netinstall, can i do the same with debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso? |
| 08:36.12 | dondelelcaro | furbsd: yes |
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| 08:36.26 | dondelelcaro | nvz: right; I don't think the gnome meta package is on cd 1 though... |
| 08:36.37 | streuner | furbsd: /msg dpkg ig |
| 08:36.38 | furbsd | 9so what's debian-31r0a-i386-binary-2.iso for |
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| 08:36.42 | nvz | dondelelcaro: in any case if thats true, how do they assure such a thing, not putting large packages on the first cd? |
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| 08:36.58 | reole | I give up,for now.Thanks for all the help though streuner I appreciate it. |
| 08:37.03 | dooby | $bts1 |
| 08:37.22 | streuner | reole: touch /home/(user)/.xsession |
| 08:37.30 | reole | i did |
| 08:37.30 | streuner | reole: apt-get install wmaker |
| 08:37.33 | nvz | wtf I just encountered some really strange glitch in GTA-SA |
| 08:37.35 | dondelelcaro | nvz: you can do it by ordering the packages... |
| 08:37.37 | reole | what goes in there? |
| 08:37.38 | pink1 | Anyone able to help me with throttling the volume/number of e-mails passing through specific accounts on my mailserver? |
| 08:38.01 | streuner | reole: echo 'exec wmaker' >> /home/(user)/.xsession |
| 08:38.20 | streuner | reole: run 'startx' as USER |
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| 08:38.51 | dondelelcaro | pink1: that's necessarily MTA dependent... and it's quite often not really a great idea |
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| 08:39.45 | paulo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.48 | paulo | ggg |
| 08:39.49 | paulo | g |
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| 08:40.33 | furbsd | what's the contents of debian-31r0a-i386-binary-2.iso |
| 08:40.38 | furbsd | is binary-1 enough |
| 08:40.38 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 08:40.39 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
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| 08:41.07 | reole | streuner: I did that but nothing happened |
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| 08:41.33 | streuner | furbsd: usually those netinstall CDs are enough, only if you are on dialup and have a fast i-net connection at work it could be wise to download those isos then |
| 08:41.44 | Guerin | !lm_sensors |
| 08:42.23 | Guerin | dpkg: ... |
| 08:42.30 | pink1 | dondelelcaro: I'm using postfix - why do you think it's not a good idea? |
| 08:42.38 | streuner | reole: choose in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 some other values then, for example 16 and a low resolution like 640x480 |
| 08:42.56 | reole | will try :D |
| 08:42.56 | furbsd | but netinstall cd can use for later version? or just current version |
| 08:43.10 | Guerin | pink1: does it really cost that much resource? |
| 08:43.14 | streuner | reole: what does 'ls -l /home/$USER/.xsession' say? |
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| 08:43.35 | pink1 | Guerin: I had one customer trying to send 1.2Gbs of mail the other day ! |
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| 08:43.43 | reole | /home/derek/.xsession |
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| 08:44.05 | reole | oops |
| 08:44.09 | reole | that was ls -a |
| 08:44.13 | streuner | reole: ls -l /home/derek/.xsession |
| 08:44.21 | luite | is it possible to get a list of installed packages, ordered by (unpacked) size? |
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| 08:44.41 | reole | -rw-r--r-- 1 derek derek 48 2005-09-20 08:39 /home/derek/.xsession |
| 08:44.46 | fireba11 | pink1: rofl |
| 08:45.00 | pink1 | fireba11: :-( |
| 08:45.28 | fireba11 | pink1: i hope you did set a limit in your MTA ? :-) |
| 08:45.53 | streuner | reole: and 'cat /home/derek/.xsession' ? |
| 08:46.14 | pink1 | fireba11: I set a disk quota - is that what you mean? |
| 08:46.17 | fireba11 | uhm .. it's jsut plain stupid to send mail attachments over say 10 MB .. |
| 08:46.31 | fireba11 | pink1: no .. i mean limit the size of a single mail |
| 08:46.46 | reole | doh!I pasted the wrong thing in .xsession |
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| 08:47.19 | reole | i guess you cant copy text in xchat? |
| 08:47.21 | pink1 | fireba11: is that in master.cf or main.cf ? |
| 08:47.29 | fireba11 | pink1: since mail attachments increase bei about 30% due to coding and there is no option to resume on a disconnect advise him to FTP it somewhere ^^ |
| 08:47.44 | Guerin | pink1: wtf |
| 08:47.50 | fireba11 | s/bei/by |
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| 08:48.03 | pink1 | fireba11: I have been pressing them to use ftp -- but customers are not savvy enough |
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| 08:48.05 | Guerin | pink1: you probably DO want to lose that customer, since he's almost certainly spamming. |
| 08:48.08 | furbsd | can netinstall iso recognize my linksys usb network adapter? |
| 08:48.29 | Guerin | pink1: strip attachments and replace them with links to a static httpd like thttpd |
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| 08:48.48 | Guerin | !ds |
| 08:48.52 | pink1 | Guerin: It's not smap - it's targetted bulk mail - each one had a 800Kb .pdf file attached |
| 08:49.06 | streuner | reole: why, what (OS) are you running actually? |
| 08:49.12 | fireba11 | pink1: then count traffic and bill them for it |
| 08:49.14 | Eclipser | smap? |
| 08:49.15 | Guerin | pink1: that is too stupid to be believed. |
| 08:49.15 | pink1 | there were only about 200 mails |
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| 08:49.26 | pink1 | Guerin: tell me about it |
| 08:49.28 | Guerin | pink1: do you have bandwidth limits? |
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| 08:49.38 | pink1 | not per user |
| 08:49.46 | vird | when i try to share a ppp connection over a no-network network only one machine is able to access the internet .... the other can't access the internet and the quality of the connection is horrible |
| 08:49.50 | vird | how do i fix this ? |
| 08:50.14 | reole | streuner: right now I am running yellowdog. |
| 08:50.17 | pink1 | Guerin: I didn;t think I could set bandwidth limits per-user |
| 08:50.17 | rixth | WHere does one put the apachectl script so apache starts at boot? |
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| 08:50.26 | fireba11 | pink1: that is also nice .. limit bandwith per user to say 5 kb/s after the 1st 10 MBs or so .. prevents such mails effectively :-) |
| 08:50.49 | pink1 | fireba11: how/where do I do that? |
| 08:50.49 | Guerin | pink1: sure you can. Soft limits would be ideal, and easily enough set up using iptables. |
| 08:50.54 | furbsd | do you guys think the netinstall iso will recognize my linksys usb network adapter |
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| 08:51.10 | pink1 | Guerin: what if the user's IP changes |
| 08:51.25 | Guerin | pink1: do it by UID rather than ip |
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| 08:51.34 | fireba11 | pink1: sorry, enver did this myself . only want to pinot you to a possible solution .. |
| 08:51.40 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: e.g. dpkg: figlet username "welcome to sid" |
| 08:51.41 | fireba11 | never did even |
| 08:51.43 | Guerin | pink1: i presume you're talking about shells on a machine, or logins to? |
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| 08:51.50 | streuner | reole: 3.0 or 4.0 ? |
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| 08:52.02 | fireba11 | Guerin: no, we talking about emails here |
| 08:52.04 | Guerin | bob2: evilness |
| 08:52.06 | pink1 | Guerin: they have a smtp log in by sasl |
| 08:52.17 | Guerin | fireba11: i have to log in to access my email ... how about you? |
| 08:52.34 | pink1 | Guerin: they have POP too - obviously |
| 08:52.37 | reole | streuner: 3.0 |
| 08:52.38 | fireba11 | Guerin: of course .. |
| 08:52.50 | dondelelcaro | bob2: ah, right |
| 08:52.50 | Guerin | so ... |
| 08:53.02 | pink1 | Guerin: so how/where do I set bandwidth limits per user |
| 08:53.06 | streuner | reole: ok, just copy the /etc/X11/XFree86-4 and use that |
| 08:53.21 | reole | its on a different machine |
| 08:53.23 | pink1 | for the SMTP sessions? |
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| 08:53.43 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: not that it would be abused or anything |
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| 08:53.47 | streuner | reole: ok |
| 08:53.50 | Guerin | pink1: i don't know how you're set up. Note that I'm talking about soft limits - where you get notified of certain activity, etc - rather than hard limits, where something happens which interrupts service |
| 08:53.51 | reole | :D |
| 08:53.53 | KiSsaMi_MoN_AMoU | hello |
| 08:54.21 | pink1 | Guerin: soft or hard - anything would be better than whtt I have now :-) |
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| 08:55.11 | pink1 | Guerin: What do you need to know about the setup? I have Postfix running on Sarge |
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| 08:56.51 | reole | I could boot up the yellow dog cd and get the XF86Config-4 from there.Would that work? |
| 08:56.57 | Guerin | pink1: i'm not going to talk you through this... you'll need to figure something out to suit your setup. |
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| 08:57.04 | streuner | reole: yes |
| 08:57.14 | reole | great |
| 08:57.16 | reole | :D |
| 08:57.44 | streuner | reole: (in most cases), but be aware ATI Rage 128 driver is limited by default - we spoke about that one... |
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| 08:57.55 | reole | ya |
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| 08:58.07 | pink1 | Guerin: Understood- just give me a clue where to start looking ? |
| 08:58.12 | reole | thanks for the help streuner |
| 08:58.18 | streuner | np |
| 08:59.15 | reole | I cant wait to get this goin |
| 08:59.19 | KiSsaMi_MoN_AMoU | un italian^? |
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| 09:00.37 | reole | well im off to bed |
| 09:00.47 | reole | thanks again for all the help |
| 09:01.11 | Eclipser | ack |
| 09:01.15 | Eclipser | what happened to dpkg :< |
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| 09:03.26 | streuner | use 'apt, ravenbird or badgers' instead |
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| 09:04.30 | Orfeous | hi everyone! |
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| 09:07.58 | dooby | #ig1 |
| 09:09.07 | KiSsaMi_MoN_AMoU | spam |
| 09:09.09 | Guerin | oh, pink1 left |
| 09:09.12 | Guerin | ah well |
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| 09:09.26 | Orfeous | got some problems with user logins... |
| 09:09.37 | Orfeous | its only my account that works.. no others.. :( |
| 09:09.45 | Orfeous | they have worked before. |
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| 09:09.49 | Orfeous | but not now |
| 09:10.41 | liable | i know the 1210 chip is software raid, but doesnt it do it in the card's bios? why can i see two disks.. |
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| 09:11.43 | ChrisW | hi, anyone familiar with chkrootkit here? |
| 09:12.36 | bob2 | best to just ask your question |
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| 09:12.47 | bob2 | tho, that package does have some important archived bug reports |
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| 09:12.59 | liable | hmm, there is surprisingly little info on the little shite.. |
| 09:13.01 | ChrisW | # /etc/cron.daily/chkrootkit: |
| 09:13.01 | ChrisW | You have 1 process hidden for ps command |
| 09:13.01 | ChrisW | Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed |
| 09:13.07 | fireba11 | liable: under linux you have to setup software raid yourself .. |
| 09:13.18 | ChrisW | what does that mean, and how much should I worry? |
| 09:13.34 | liable | fireba11: even though its got support in kernel? shouldnt the kernel see it as one disk? |
| 09:13.43 | fireba11 | liable: the "software raid" from the card only works under windows with the driver it seems |
| 09:13.51 | fireba11 | liable: dodn't do it for me either |
| 09:13.52 | ChrisW | bob2? |
| 09:14.00 | liable | fireba11: oh, you got one? |
| 09:14.13 | Guerin | ChrisW: it means you should check the BTS for false-positives, and use something like rkhunter to get a second opinion |
| 09:14.29 | fireba11 | liable: i just set it up manually .. yes, sata raid ... just didn't set up raid in the controller at all, just in linux |
| 09:14.30 | bob2 | ChrisW: what Guerin said |
| 09:14.37 | bob2 | it especially gets confused by threads on 2.6 |
| 09:14.42 | fireba11 | liable: don't know if there is a more elegant way to do it .. |
| 09:14.57 | liable | fireba11: hmm, thats what i just did, but .. i thought .. |
| 09:15.05 | ChrisW | Guerin: what's BTS? |
| 09:15.08 | Guerin | !bts |
| 09:15.18 | ChrisW | and can I just install aptitude with rkhunter? |
| 09:15.27 | Guerin | ChrisW: bugs.debian.org/chkrootkit |
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| 09:15.48 | liable | fireba11: i guess the kernel module just detects the card and lets you use it as a controller.. |
| 09:15.56 | fireba11 | liable: yes .. me too .. either the raid is only done by the driver and the raid bios is only to pass it settings and controll the HDs or there is a setting that i missed |
| 09:16.19 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 09:16.35 | Orfeous | is the security-site down or something? |
| 09:16.48 | ChrisW | Guerin: sorry, I didn't get anything from !bts, is "BTS" equal to bugs.debian.org/ ? |
| 09:16.49 | Guerin | Orfeous: topic |
| 09:16.49 | bob2 | Orfeous: /topic |
| 09:16.52 | Guerin | ChrisW: yes |
| 09:16.53 | bob2 | ChrisW: yes |
| 09:16.53 | fireba11 | Orfeous: read the topic |
| 09:16.58 | fireba11 | lol |
| 09:16.59 | ChrisW | ah, cool, okay :-) |
| 09:17.09 | valdyn | fireba11: the linux kernel doesnt even need or use those "bios settings" or whatever you might mean |
| 09:17.30 | Orfeous | i seee.. what to do the? :) |
| 09:17.35 | Orfeous | then |
| 09:17.36 | Orfeous | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 09:17.36 | Orfeous | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.37 | liable | fireba11: stock kernel? |
| 09:17.42 | ChrisW | right, thanks for the help, back later... |
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| 09:17.52 | fireba11 | valdyn: i know it doesn't need .. but if oyou got software raid shouldn't it check the raid settings in the controller and use them ? |
| 09:17.56 | fireba11 | liable: yes |
| 09:18.13 | valdyn | fireba11: maybe that would be convenient, but the kernel doesnt do that |
| 09:19.04 | fireba11 | valdyn: okay .. thought i just missed where to set it .. |
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| 09:19.58 | valdyn | fireba11: its mostly marketing buzz tech anyway, not like its of much use even with full support as in windows |
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| 09:20.28 | fireba11 | valdyn: i think morroring can be useful though |
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| 09:21.45 | valdyn | fireba11: oh, I didnt mean to argue that part. the so called "raid" feature of those controller cards is useless even if fully supported ( as on windows ). |
| 09:22.17 | Orfeous | since i got intrusion.. my all users doesnt work anymore.. except my own.. why?? |
| 09:22.19 | fireba11 | valdyn: almost.... windows can't create real stripesets or mirror HDs alone though :-) |
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| 09:22.36 | fireba11 | Orfeous: check logs |
| 09:22.39 | furbsd | does java and flash7 works in linux |
| 09:22.43 | bcc | is it possible to use the install cd 1 instead of the netinst cd? |
| 09:22.47 | furbsd | debian even |
| 09:22.52 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 09:22.52 | dpkg | Since Tue Sep 20 09:20:02 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 2m 50s this session, and currently reference 26300 factoids. I'm using about 13760 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.86/0.11 child 0/0.03 |
| 09:23.00 | Orfeous | fireba11: if i add a new user.. it works.. but not the olds |
| 09:23.01 | fireba11 | furbsd: java yes, flash7 no clue |
| 09:23.18 | fireba11 | Orfeous: then check your auth log, syslog and passwd files |
| 09:23.27 | furbsd | anyone got a clue about flash 7 |
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| 09:23.34 | Orfeous | fireba11: ok.. what do look for? |
| 09:23.49 | nvz | wtf is flash7 |
| 09:23.49 | fireba11 | Orfeous: the usual errors, warnings etc |
| 09:23.58 | furbsd | flash 7 plugin |
| 09:24.03 | furbsd | macromedia flash |
| 09:24.04 | nvz | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:24.04 | me_here | how can i make recent changes in X take effect in the current session without restarting X ? |
| 09:24.06 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 09:24.18 | valdyn | me_here: you cant |
| 09:24.28 | nvz | furbsd: flash yes, shockwave no |
| 09:24.34 | me_here | valdyn: and recent changes in kuser ? |
| 09:24.48 | valdyn | me_here: what is kuser? |
| 09:24.49 | furbsd | so i just apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 09:24.56 | Orfeous | fireba11: are there any program to scan users or something to see whats wrong? |
| 09:25.06 | nvz | furbsd: thats the idea |
| 09:25.06 | Cueball|Work | Hi all. I run Debian 3.1 and I've been having trouble getting AUTH=PLAIN working with courier-imap. Is it disabled? If so is there a way to enable it like there is on UW-IMAPD? |
| 09:25.30 | me_here | valdyn: it's an frontend to user manangement in kde, when i do changes to my users, i have to restart X in order to see the changes take effect |
| 09:25.32 | fireba11 | Orfeous: uhm .. just try to log in with one of those accounts and see what happens ? |
| 09:25.43 | jm_ | me_here: what changes? |
| 09:25.49 | furbsd | ok so i'm now downloading netinstall, what if it doesn't recognize my linksys usb network adapter |
| 09:25.50 | nvz | I wonder why they called the package flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:25.54 | furbsd | i can't install |
| 09:25.55 | furbsd | ? |
| 09:26.03 | valdyn | me_here: you have to log in to use new user settings or group settings, doesnt need you to restart X |
| 09:26.06 | Orfeous | fireba11: ok, but i have disabled the shells for all accounts |
| 09:26.19 | valdyn | me_here: 'su - <user>' in a shell |
| 09:26.21 | me_here | jm_: add someone to somegroup etc. |
| 09:26.21 | fireba11 | Orfeous: and how to they log in then ? |
| 09:26.23 | nvz | furbsd: depends on if your netinstall cd contains a base system or not |
| 09:26.27 | me_here | valdyn: thx |
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| 09:26.33 | liable | furbsd: um, you have contrib and non-free in sources? |
| 09:26.34 | jm_ | me_here: man newgrp |
| 09:26.40 | Orfeous | fireba11: ftp.. |
| 09:26.42 | furbsd | debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso is what i'm downloading |
| 09:26.48 | stumbles | hey folks |
| 09:26.48 | nvz | furbsd: likely your piece of shit, as its properly called will not be supported would be my guess |
| 09:26.51 | furbsd | im not sure |
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| 09:27.03 | fireba11 | Orfeous: then just try that :-) and you should tell things like taht earlier |
| 09:27.06 | nvz | usb networking was a really dumb idea |
| 09:27.37 | Orfeous | fireba11: i have tried to login but it does not work. |
| 09:27.47 | liable | valdyn: you ever used on of those cards? |
| 09:27.59 | fireba11 | Orfeous: then check your logs for the message there ? |
| 09:28.34 | Orfeous | my ftp-server doesnt say something.. just that i have tried to connect nothing more.. |
| 09:28.34 | stumbles | i've just started a nested server with: "Xnest :3 -geometry 800x600" - shouldn't i be able to start xeyes on it with: "xeyes -display :3"? |
| 09:28.56 | fireba11 | Orfeous: then check auth log or sys log ^^ |
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| 09:29.48 | Orfeous | fireba11: nothing there either.. just that im connecting.. |
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| 09:30.25 | fireba11 | Orfeous: there should be a login rejected or something |
| 09:30.34 | furbsd | what's latest version of gaim |
| 09:30.37 | Orfeous | fireba11: not what i can see.. |
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| 09:31.00 | Orfeous | fireba11: have checked syslog..auth.log.. vsftpd.log |
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| 09:32.28 | furbsd | so how to install latest opera and mplayer |
| 09:32.30 | fireba11 | Orfeous: weird .. you canged anything on the server from when it worked ? |
| 09:32.44 | Orfeous | fireba11: if i add a new user.. i can connect with that |
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| 09:33.18 | fireba11 | Orfeous: i mean when it still worked with all the other users |
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| 09:35.56 | furbsd | what file system is best for debian |
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| 09:36.18 | fireba11 | furbsd: i'd jsut go with ext3 |
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| 09:36.46 | Orfeous | fireba11: after we changed all users passwords after the intrusion.. it all start to failing.. the strange is that my account works? |
| 09:37.11 | fireba11 | u changed your password too ? |
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| 09:37.34 | Orfeous | fireba11: yes, i think i did |
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| 09:38.47 | fireba11 | what does your ftp take for auth ? |
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| 09:39.20 | fireba11 | Orfeous: wait .. u had someone break into your server and still use it ? |
| 09:40.10 | Orfeous | fireba11: seems so.. but i have upgraded all packages.. searched system for rootkits..trojans and everything |
| 09:40.25 | EdLin | !u |
| 09:40.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 09:41.14 | fireba11 | Orfeous: i still would advise moving to a new installation as soon as possible ... |
| 09:41.43 | sema4 | anyone know how to set the APT::Force-LoopBreak option? |
| 09:42.02 | Orfeous | fireba11: yes, but this is a server and it maybe will take some time to fix it up.. my father has its company webpage on it and mail..blabla.. |
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| 09:42.31 | dawg | orfeous, that's what backups are for |
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| 09:43.11 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 09:43.24 | Guerin | sema4: man apt-get does |
| 09:43.28 | fireba11 | anyway .. try to find out what your FTP takes to check auth against ... |
| 09:43.35 | Orfeous | dawg: :) |
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| 09:44.15 | Orfeous | but i just can understand why the users is not working ;) |
| 09:44.27 | ircdevil | !damn users |
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| 09:44.38 | sema4 | Guerin: ahh -o ... I thought it'd have to go in a config file |
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| 09:46.00 | SpikyHairs | i can't properly upgrade agnula demudi to 1.2.1 ! |
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| 09:47.23 | fireba11 | SpikyHairs: okay .. and why do you tell us that ? |
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| 09:48.44 | Cueball|Work | Hi all. I run Debian 3.1 and I've been having trouble getting non tls clients working with courier-imap. Is it disabled like in the c-client for UW-IMAPD? If so is there a way to enable it like there is on UW-IMAPD? |
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| 09:51.15 | mkl1525 | Hi, when I use "rsync -av --delete --files-from=list . server:~ " to sync some files from my local box to the backup server rsync copies all files, but doesn't delete on the server side if some files are deleted on my box. Any suggestions? |
| 09:51.17 | charolastra | hi people |
| 09:51.20 | emergo | Im getting a new laser printer today, can anyone help me decide, need it to work in linux and mac.. :-), cheap how can I check if it works ? |
| 09:51.28 | bibe | Cueball|Work : what kind of trouble? Is port 143 open? |
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| 09:51.53 | mkl1525 | emergo, www.linuxprinting.org has a list |
| 09:52.13 | Cueball|Work | bibe, Yes. And I can connect using a client that supports TLS. But simpler clients such as mobile phone clients or PDA clients fail authentication |
| 09:52.28 | emergo | mkl1525: ty |
| 09:52.33 | furbsd | anyone know the device name for linksys network adapter |
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| 09:53.04 | cievo | all: hello...does security.debian.org (FTP) has some problems ? |
| 09:53.23 | Ronin | cievo: seems fine |
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| 09:53.44 | cievo | Ronin: Err ftp://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages |
| 09:53.44 | cievo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.50 | Gathond | cievo: I think its overloaded with work atm because of everybody and their dog downloading X updates |
| 09:54.02 | Gathond | cievo: at least that is what the mailinglists says |
| 09:54.14 | cievo | Gathond: oh, ok :) thanks :) |
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| 09:54.21 | bibe | Cueball|Work : does 'grep encrypt_key /etc/courier/imapd.conf' return yes or no |
| 09:54.28 | cievo | all: Failed to fetch ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/sarge/updates/non-free/binary-i386/Release Unable to send PORT command |
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| 09:54.43 | bibe | cievo : read /topic |
| 09:54.45 | Ronin | maybe im must lucky then, topic says its still slow |
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| 09:55.03 | bob2 | cievo: /topic |
| 09:55.06 | Gathond | cievo: the consensys is I think, nothing can be done about it now, but things will be done to ensure it does not happen another time |
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| 09:55.23 | Gathond | Ronin: it might be ok, if you can connect, once you are connected |
| 09:55.24 | charolastra | just wanted to "apt-get install python2.3-kde3" but get some unmet dependencies (like the packages arn't there, look at: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python2.3-kde3 ). am i left waiting or does this warrent a bug report? |
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| 09:56.07 | Cueball|Work | bibe, there is no imapd.conf but nothing is returned on /etc/courier/imapd |
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| 09:56.34 | cievo | all: thanks :) |
| 09:56.39 | bibe | Cueball|Work : sorry, it's imapd.cnf |
| 09:56.40 | Cueball|Work | bibe, encrypt_key = yes |
| 09:56.46 | Cueball|Work | Just realised |
| 09:56.56 | n3x | Hi im looking for a bit of help regarding : http://melbourne.wireless.org.au/wiki/?minitar the part arround 3/4 down the page with the script using DD, im trying to extract a different file but the 0x16XXXX is diferent, is there a way to find it in a file |
| 09:57.13 | bibe | Cueball|Work : set it to no and restart imapd. ;) |
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| 09:58.20 | Orfeous | fireba11: hmm.. |
| 09:58.27 | Orfeous | fireba11: i have tried one more thing now |
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| 09:59.12 | jm_ | n3x: find what? it's an offset ... |
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| 10:00.28 | fireba11 | Orfeous: and what might that be ? |
| 10:00.56 | cievo | all: I tried to upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1 (mysql) and I had some problemw with one table...charset has got f*cked up :) any suggestions? |
| 10:01.14 | fireba11 | cievo: #mysql :-) |
| 10:01.24 | cievo | fireba11: ;) |
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| 10:01.33 | Orfeous | fireba11: i have disabled the shells in /etc/passwd.. with /bin/false because they are only using ftp.. and dont need shell access.. but when i changed the /bin/false to like /bin/sh then it worked to login to ftp.. |
| 10:01.56 | fireba11 | Orfeous: hmm ... |
| 10:02.21 | fireba11 | Orfeous: but it worked bevore like that ? |
| 10:02.45 | Orfeous | yes, i think it did.. |
| 10:02.54 | djp | can anyone recommend a music player that can crossfade/play continuous tracks? the default music player under debian 3.1 (rhythmbox) doesn't appear to be able to do this. |
| 10:03.15 | djp | yet, i might add. |
| 10:03.32 | fireba11 | Orfeous: then check FTP configuration .. maybe there is soemthing in there |
| 10:03.34 | jm_ | xmms has cross-fade plugin |
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| 10:04.27 | djp | ah, thanks jm_. great. that is installed by default as well i think. is the plugin included or do i need to search it out? |
| 10:04.36 | Orfeous | fireba11: is /bin/false the correct to use if the user just needs to login to ftp and not a shell? |
| 10:04.45 | fireba11 | yes |
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| 10:05.01 | jm_ | djp: I don't know, you can always install it later if it isn't |
| 10:05.16 | djp | sure. thanks jm_. |
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| 10:05.41 | Orfeous | fireba11: ok, why isnt it working then? :) |
| 10:06.35 | Guerin | Orfeous: is it in /etc/shells? |
| 10:07.11 | Orfeous | Guerin: you mean /bin/sh? |
| 10:07.31 | Guerin | Orfeous: i mean whatever your ftp user has for a shell |
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| 10:08.01 | Guerin | Orfeous: alternatively you can turn off shell checking in your ftpd |
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| 10:08.43 | Cueball|Work | bibe, I have set that option but unfortuatly my mobile still wont connect. Anything else I can try? Do you want more info or want to see the debug? |
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| 10:09.28 | bibe | Cueball|Work : did you restart the imapd daemon? I ask you just to be sure... |
| 10:09.37 | Cueball|Work | Yeah done that |
| 10:09.49 | larrikin | can anyone point me to an official looking patch to include/linux/i2c.h that adds 'struct module *owner' to i2c_adapter ? |
| 10:10.09 | bibe | Cueball|Work : so, can you paste the debug output somewhere? |
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| 10:10.56 | Cueball|Work | bibe, pm, #flood or pastbin? |
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| 10:12.35 | Cueball|Work | I'm using MySQL authentication if that's any help too. The howto I folowed instructed me to create a feild with encrypted pass and one for plain. |
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| 10:13.06 | furbsd | how many cds do i need for installation |
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| 10:13.24 | Cueball|Work | furbsd, If you want to do it online you only need one. |
| 10:13.37 | Cueball|Work | But if offline it depends on your package selection |
| 10:13.54 | furbsd | i tried netinstall but it won't detect my usb network adapter so i'm thinking to dl a cd |
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| 10:14.05 | phretor | hi there |
| 10:14.16 | furbsd | i only need a system with kernel that detect my usb network adapter |
| 10:14.29 | furbsd | and i'll install additional stuff from there |
| 10:14.55 | Cueball|Work | furbsd, I don't know if you can download it but you can buy a DVD version |
| 10:14.58 | aum | hi - is it normal for writes to usb flash drives to be really slow (around 50k/sec) ? |
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| 10:15.07 | jm_ | aum: no |
| 10:15.13 | shuning | depends on whether you have usb1 or 2, but still, not that slow |
| 10:15.16 | furbsd | i can't boot dvd |
| 10:15.18 | aum | usb2 |
| 10:15.30 | aum | reading is fast, writing is dead slow |
| 10:15.40 | shuning | writing from local hdd? |
| 10:15.43 | phretor | on gentoo I used to use rc-status to give me the picture of start-up/shut-down status of services. Is there something similar or I have to look at rc*.d? |
| 10:15.58 | Cueball|Work | furbsd, Then only the 1st CD should be needed for base. But I'm not 100% sure if it would use any other CD's |
| 10:16.16 | jm_ | !tell phretor -about services |
| 10:16.24 | aum | writing from local hdd, yes |
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| 10:16.54 | bibe | I did a 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' yesterday on a Debian sarge system. It updated me all xfree-related stuff to version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1, but I didn't receive any security advisory regarding xfree. Can I trust that updates? |
| 10:17.24 | n3x | jm_: late reply... yes i need to find the offset of another .bin |
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| 10:17.29 | jm_ | DSA-s are published on the net |
| 10:17.39 | jm_ | n3x: so find it |
| 10:17.47 | n3x | jm_: how... |
| 10:17.52 | bibe | Cueball|Work : did you paste any output to #flood? |
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| 10:18.32 | Cueball|Work | Sorry bibe I just pasted it to a pm to you |
| 10:18.53 | n3x | are PM still blocked? |
| 10:18.58 | jm_ | n3x: by looking at the file |
| 10:19.14 | bibe | Cueball|Work, n3x : PM are blocked to unregistered users |
| 10:19.15 | n3x | jm_: and where would i look |
| 10:19.20 | Cueball|Work | Ahh |
| 10:19.58 | Cueball|Work | Got it now? |
| 10:19.59 | jm_ | n3x: uff, in the file where you want to find it? are you asking these silly questions on purpose? |
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| 10:20.30 | n3x | jm_: ok,, so where in the file would i look, and how would i extract them |
| 10:20.31 | bibe | Cueball|Work : yes. It seems to be related to authmysqldaemon |
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| 10:20.55 | jm_ | n3x: how the hell do I know? logic tells me you should check the whole file if you have to find something |
| 10:21.06 | Cueball|Work | bibe, I thought it may be. |
| 10:21.09 | n3x | jm_: its not humanly readable |
| 10:21.15 | Cueball|Work | Any idea's? |
| 10:21.31 | jm_ | n3x: that doesn't change anything |
| 10:21.39 | SpamHog | I may have roasted a HD - please tale a look in #flood for some details. Is it dead? |
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| 10:21.44 | n3x | jm_: ok what can i use to READ the file |
| 10:21.47 | n3x | other than eyes |
| 10:21.55 | jm_ | n3x: a hexeditor |
| 10:22.35 | bibe | Cueball|Work : is your /etc/courier/authmysqlrc using _both_ MYSQL_CLEAR_PWFIELD and MYSQL_CRYPT_PWFIELD? |
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| 10:23.17 | Cueball|Work | bibe, Yes. Want a paste of the file? |
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| 10:23.43 | bibe | Cueball|Work : although I don't think authmysqlrc is related in any way to the mail client |
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| 10:23.58 | SpamHog | Anyone, do you smell roast? |
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| 10:24.33 | bibe | Cueball|Work : try using only MYSQL_CLEAR_PWFIELD, just to test if something changes |
| 10:24.43 | Cueball|Work | bibe, TLS connections work fine. It's just non TLS connections |
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| 10:24.58 | Cueball|Work | Want me to delete MYSQL_CRYPT_PWFIELD |
| 10:25.01 | Cueball|Work | ? |
| 10:25.08 | bibe | Cueball|Work : no, just comment that |
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| 10:25.23 | Orfeous | is it possible to install sarge on a currently running unstable? |
| 10:25.33 | bibe | Cueball|Work : I mean, comment it out in /etc/courier/authmysqlrc |
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| 10:25.45 | Zomb | Orfeous: "on a unstable"? |
| 10:25.59 | Zomb | Orfeous: downgrading? Possible, but dangerous. |
| 10:26.01 | bibe | Cueball|Work : and restart /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon |
| 10:26.10 | Orfeous | Zomb: yes i think so.. |
| 10:26.22 | streuner | !think |
| 10:26.22 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 10:26.27 | Orfeous | Zomb: so i should install from scratch then? |
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| 10:26.58 | Cueball|Work | bibe, Works fine now :D |
| 10:27.05 | Zomb | dpkg: tell Orfeous about downgrade |
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| 10:28.26 | bibe | Cueball|Work : great, but I still don't understand why TLS is involved in the authorization process |
| 10:28.43 | furbsd | you can't downgrade |
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| 10:29.01 | fbi | Orfeous: you can not downgrade. if you need sarge, you must do a fresh install. |
| 10:29.03 | Cueball|Work | Weird. Wonder why it works once crypt feild is removed |
| 10:29.08 | furbsd | why you want to dowgrade |
| 10:29.10 | bibe | Cueball|Work : if you want, just try uncommenting MYSQL_CRYPT_PW_FIELD and commenting MYSQL_CLEAR_PW_FIELD |
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| 10:29.23 | Cueball|Work | K |
| 10:29.29 | bibe | Cueball|Work : I only use one field at a time |
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| 10:31.11 | Orfeous | fbi: ok, i see |
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| 10:32.26 | Cueball|Work | bibe, That broke logins using TLS too :S |
| 10:32.52 | cievo | all: byr |
| 10:32.55 | cievo | all: bye |
| 10:33.17 | Cueball|Work | I wonder if the crypt string is broke |
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| 10:33.37 | daryk | Hi |
| 10:33.41 | ciroro | I have a box without video/keyb access. What is the easiest way to scan the root partition for bad blocks? |
| 10:33.48 | Cueball|Work | bibe, Know anywhere I can generate the crypt for it to use? |
| 10:34.17 | fireba11 | ciroro: use ssh ? |
| 10:34.35 | ciroro | fireba11: well don't I have to umount the / partition to scan it? |
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| 10:34.37 | jm_ | ciroro: serial console |
| 10:34.43 | bibe | Cueball|Work : I didn't undertand the question, sorry... |
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| 10:34.51 | fireba11 | ciroro: no reason why you can't do what with ssh |
| 10:35.14 | jm_ | you can also run badblocks in read-only mode as a quick test |
| 10:35.28 | Cueball|Work | bibe, Well once I commented plain only all logins broke including TLS/SSL logins. |
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| 10:35.46 | Cueball|Work | bibe, So would my crypt string be incorrect? |
| 10:35.56 | Cueball|Work | In the MySQL |
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| 10:36.06 | ciroro | jm_: that's considered safe without umounting? |
| 10:36.08 | bibe | Cueball|Work : it's possible... I don't know how to generate it |
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| 10:36.35 | fireba11 | ciroro: that's the reason read-only option for fschecks exist |
| 10:37.23 | bibe | Cueball|Work : bye, I'm going out for lunch |
| 10:37.39 | ciroro | okay thank you, I'll try that |
| 10:37.53 | ircdevil | is this rgb color black n white -> 47 79 79 DarkSlateGray ? |
| 10:38.23 | fireba11 | ircdevil: why the hell are you asking us ? |
| 10:38.57 | ozzloy | what's a good audio editing program? |
| 10:39.04 | ircdevil | fireba11: it was meant for #inkscape - wrong chan |
| 10:39.04 | Mitzi | is it a good colour to paint his bedroom |
| 10:39.25 | jm_ | ciroro: sure |
| 10:39.36 | jm_ | ciroro: but don't run fsck |
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| 10:40.14 | ciroro | why not? |
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| 10:41.07 | mernil | greetings fellow friends of free software |
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| 10:41.15 | luite | is it possible to have a script executed automatically when mounting a filesystem? I mount /var in a ramdisk and would like to create a dir structure and restore some files from another disk when it's mounted |
| 10:41.15 | ozzloy | hi mernil |
| 10:41.36 | hakim | hello all |
| 10:41.39 | snail | i've been having some minor disk corruption, which I believe I have now fixed. is there a one-liner to reinstall all currently installed debian packages? |
| 10:41.44 | mernil | hakim: hello |
| 10:41.56 | EdLin | luite: your first mistake is mounting /var on a ramdisk |
| 10:42.08 | luite | EdLin: no that's not a mistake, it's an embedded system |
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| 10:42.48 | luite | EdLin: it does not have a hard drive, only a flash disk, and /var has more write activity than I'd like to have on a flash disk |
| 10:43.02 | EdLin | luite: I see.... nm then |
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| 10:43.20 | ciroro | jm_: why not run fsck? |
| 10:44.12 | jm_ | ciroro: because |
| 10:44.38 | mernil | i'm "only" here because i'm banned from #slackware .. but should i upgrade from ext2 to some journaled filesystem? do i have anything to gain by doing that? |
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| 10:45.11 | enyc | mern: yes, reliability in face of any sort of crash |
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| 10:45.24 | enyc | mern: what kernel version do you run [see 'uname -a'] ? |
| 10:45.25 | snail | n/m got ti |
| 10:45.26 | hakim | i'm looking for docs about changes between 'modutils' <-> 'module-init-tools' and the debian policy for managing modules in the new 2.6 linux, some hint? |
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| 10:45.39 | mernil | enyc: yeah.. that's true .. i'm using 2.4.22 |
| 10:45.45 | freeza | yes |
| 10:45.47 | freeza | its faster |
| 10:45.49 | ciroro | jm_: would you please give me some more info? |
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| 10:46.10 | enyc | haki: erm, btw: the new module-init-tools work with 2.6, whereas older tools dont generally ;p, but hte new module init tools is backwards compatible wth 2.4 kernel iirc |
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| 10:46.21 | enyc | mern: erm. in that case, you should be able to use ext3 |
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| 10:46.40 | enyc | mern: if you compiled the kernel yourself, and it doesn't have ext3 support, you will need to recompile it with ext3 support built in |
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| 10:47.00 | hakim | mernil: basically ext3 is ext2 with journalling, so i think you should read e2fsprogs docs: e2fsprogs.sf.net and read the intro html file |
| 10:47.10 | mernil | enyc: okay, thanks .. i think i'll use a a more current kernel when i upgrade soon |
| 10:47.25 | enyc | mern: you then.. "tune2fs -j [filesystem device]" to add the journal file.. and change the filesystem type entry in /etc/fstab ... |
| 10:47.31 | enyc | mern: and it will 'just work' |
| 10:47.34 | enyc | mern: basically ;p |
| 10:47.37 | EdLin | mernil: in the future, since you're not running Debian, you might want to ask general Linux questions in ##linux |
| 10:47.42 | mernil | hakim: yeah.. but i have a feeling ext3 is more or less a hack.. maybe i'm roing |
| 10:47.59 | enyc | mern: beware of changing to kernel 2.6 in that you need newer module-init-tools to load modules in 2.6 properly, I think |
| 10:48.09 | mernil | EdLin: but the real braintrust is in this channel ;) |
| 10:48.12 | enyc | mern: nah, ext3 is robust and reliable |
| 10:48.19 | hakim | enyc: :-) thnx i knew it, but i'm a bit confused about changes in the policy, maybe i just need to talk about it...you know, we sometime get in the 'twilight zone' ;-) |
| 10:48.20 | mernil | enyc: okay |
| 10:48.25 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 10:48.25 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 10:48.54 | mernil | dpkg: why so hostile? |
| 10:49.01 | hakim | mernil: i qoute what enyc says: ext3 is roubust... |
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| 10:49.37 | fbi | mernil: dpkg is a bot. |
| 10:49.42 | enyc | mern: however, there wwere some ext3 problems in older 2.4, but nothing major iirc, and often in non-detault config... iirc, in short, if you use 2.4.18 or 2.4.21/newer or 2.6/newer you are okay |
| 10:49.45 | mernil | fbi: ahh :) |
| 10:49.49 | fbi | mernil: dpkg is here to help. |
| 10:50.03 | fbi | mernil: /msg dpkg for a good time. |
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| 10:52.32 | freeza | which is better? ext3 or reiser? |
| 10:52.37 | enyc | reee: depends ;p |
| 10:52.38 | SpamHog | "/msg Wanda 555-2554 for a very good time" |
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| 10:52.53 | EdLin | !ricerfs |
| 10:52.54 | dpkg | hmm... ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 10:52.55 | hakim | freeza: depends, but reiserfs its great |
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| 10:53.06 | enyc | free: ext3 is good for backwards-compatibiltiy-with-ext2 and reliability... reiser can be better speed and os-forth but not godo for recovery ;p |
| 10:53.06 | fbi | haha ricer wtf |
| 10:53.12 | fbi | what's golden |
| 10:53.19 | valdyn | reiserfs is just fine now.. |
| 10:53.22 | fbi | s/what's/that's/ |
| 10:53.27 | valdyn | !factinfo ricerfs |
| 10:53.27 | dpkg | ricerfs -- created by PerfDave <user488@sparky.ox.compsoc.net> at Tue Nov 2 18:45:17 2004 (321 days); it has been requested 136 times, last by EdLin, 34s ago. |
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| 10:53.33 | SpamHog | reiserfs.... I think I just successfuly roasted my HW with it... is it possible? |
| 10:53.41 | valdyn | SpamHog: no |
| 10:53.44 | jm_ | ciroro: why do you think fsck has a check against it? |
| 10:53.47 | nsx | why in the world does debian's mysql-server package depend on exim? |
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| 10:54.03 | SpamHog | valdyn: a clear cut answer, thank you! |
| 10:54.03 | mernil | i'd prolly use reiser.. feels a lot more robust imo |
| 10:54.10 | Gathond | nsx: it depends on some sort of MTA so it can send mail, exim happens to be the default MTA |
| 10:54.19 | SpamHog | anyone likes jfs? |
| 10:54.24 | nsx | i don't want exim |
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| 10:54.30 | mernil | anyone use jfs ;) |
| 10:54.31 | nsx | i'd prefer not to have it installed at all |
| 10:54.32 | EdLin | mernil: I've lost data to reiser, but never to ext3. Your choice |
| 10:54.36 | Gathond | nsx: install some other MTA then |
| 10:54.40 | nsx | i already have |
| 10:54.42 | nsx | i installed qmail |
| 10:54.45 | hakim | mernil: probably, but you'll know by experiencing |
| 10:55.00 | mernil | EdLin: yeah.. gah.. don't put doubts in my brain ;) |
| 10:55.00 | valdyn | SpamHog: its a little more complicated, software has been able to destroy hardware, but that is extremeley rare and no reason why reiserfs ( which isnt even a hardware driver ) could destroy hardware. |
| 10:55.05 | nsx | it doesn't seem to depend on a generic mta |
| 10:55.13 | nsx | it seems to depend on exim specifically |
| 10:55.31 | EdLin | mernil: ext3 is more than ext2 with a journal, it has nice reliability-building features like ordered writes. |
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| 10:55.35 | mernil | hakim: true |
| 10:55.36 | Gathond | nsx: it depends on exim|something else | = or :) |
| 10:55.36 | hakim | mernil: are you sure of using slck and not switching to Debian? ;-) |
| 10:55.37 | SpamHog | valdyn: OK |
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| 10:56.09 | Gathond | nsx: you could use (quessing you installed qmail without using the package system?)equivs to make it know you have some MTA installed |
| 10:56.10 | hakim | mernil: sorry slck = slack |
| 10:56.12 | mernil | hakim: to be honest.. i hate apt.. but debian is okay also.. but i prefer slack |
| 10:56.33 | hakim | mernil: you hate apt? lol |
| 10:56.35 | mernil | (don't kill me ;) |
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| 10:56.37 | fbi | you hate apt? doesn't slackware use 'slapt-get' ? |
| 10:56.41 | nsx | i used the package system |
| 10:56.54 | EdLin | fbi: slapt-get is an unofficial tool |
| 10:56.55 | nsx | ii qmail 1.03-zarge1 a secure, reliable, efficient, simple messag |
| 10:56.58 | mernil | fbi: i don't use any of those systems |
| 10:56.58 | freeza | so its just better to install ext3 if you a noob? |
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| 10:57.12 | fbi | EdLin: i didn't know for sure, i have never installed slackware |
| 10:57.17 | valdyn | !depends mysql-server |
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| 10:57.21 | nsx | i just didn't use debian's qmail because it was outdated and lacked the netmail patches |
| 10:57.22 | dpkg | mysql-server: depends on mysql-server-4.1 |
| 10:57.28 | valdyn | !depends mysql-server-4.1 |
| 10:57.33 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: depends on mysql-common (>= 4.1.14-2), mysql-client-4.1 (>= 4.1.14-2), debconf (>= 1.2.9), libdbi-perl, perl (>= 5.6), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libmysqlclient14, libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libreadline5, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1), libwrap0, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), adduser (>= 3.40), psmisc, passwd, mailx |
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| 10:57.51 | enyc | free: ext3 is genralyl good |
| 10:57.57 | Gathond | !depends mailx |
| 10:57.58 | enyc | free: I was once told, r.e. asking about filesystems |
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| 10:58.02 | dpkg | mailx: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), liblockfile1 (>= 1.0), exim4 | mail-transport-agent, base-files (>= 2.2.0) |
| 10:58.03 | mernil | but what i hate the most is dep-checks .. very annoying |
| 10:58.07 | enyc | .free "if you're asking these questions, then you should be using ext3" |
| 10:58.12 | SpamHog | ! depends elm |
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| 10:58.16 | EdLin | enyc: use tab to complete nicks |
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| 10:58.19 | Gathond | pretty sure thet is where it actually gets the exim thing in |
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| 10:58.31 | valdyn | !depends mysql-common |
| 10:58.34 | Gathond | nsx: does your qmail package provide mail-transport-agent |
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| 10:58.36 | dpkg | mysql-common: does not depend on anything |
| 10:58.44 | hakim | i'm still feeling unclear about new modules config, i think there are unclear docs |
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| 10:58.57 | nsx | doesn't look like it |
| 10:59.01 | SpamHog | !depends elm |
| 10:59.16 | nsx | what were the equivs you spoke of? |
| 10:59.23 | valdyn | !equivs |
| 10:59.24 | dpkg | equivs is probably a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 10:59.44 | adamt | is it correct that lighttpd isn't on the repos? |
| 10:59.47 | valdyn | nsx: you should not need that, try apt-cache show qmail to see what it really proves |
| 10:59.52 | valdyn | nsx: you should not need that, try apt-cache show qmail to see what it really provides |
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| 11:01.04 | nsx | it doesn't provide anything |
| 11:01.26 | valdyn | nsx: so its not really a debian package? what is it? how did you make it? |
| 11:01.31 | Guerin | eew, qmail |
| 11:01.38 | nsx | it's a 3rd party package |
| 11:01.46 | valdyn | nsx: well, ugly |
| 11:01.50 | freeza | slackware copied debian with their slapt-get crap |
| 11:01.51 | Guerin | nsx: 1) don't use 3rd party packages 2) don't use qmail |
| 11:01.51 | nsx | the official package sucks |
| 11:02.06 | nsx | Guerin: 1) don't tell me what to do |
| 11:02.07 | Guerin | nsx: qmail sucks, why are you surprised? |
| 11:02.13 | nsx | Guerin: 2) get a clue what you're talking about |
| 11:02.15 | valdyn | nsx: a) then use equivs or b) use qmail-source from debian to build qmail or c) fix that ugly 3rd party thing |
| 11:02.21 | Guerin | nsx: oh, but I DO. |
| 11:02.25 | SpamHog | !elm-me |
| 11:02.30 | nsx | 3) qmail + vpopmail + qmailadmin offers the best combination for our setup |
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| 11:02.49 | nsx | yeah i think i'll just make my own package |
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| 11:02.59 | adamt | do i have to compile lighttpd myself or what? |
| 11:03.00 | MustangMatt | My asterisk article got published: http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Sections-article137-page1.php |
| 11:03.03 | Guerin | nsx: anyway, you've got your answer... I just heckle qmail users for ... being qmail users. |
| 11:03.10 | valdyn | !qmail |
| 11:03.10 | dpkg | i guess qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or ... |
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| 11:03.27 | valdyn | nsx: ^^^ ;) |
| 11:03.29 | nsx | Guerin: glad to hear about your software biases, though. i really cared to hear it. |
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| 11:03.32 | hakim | well...ttg bye and thnx all, bye mernil: think about switching on Debian, anyway respect to slackers :-) |
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| 11:03.49 | Guerin | nsx: glad to be of service. |
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| 11:04.04 | SpamHog | I don't understand... isn't elm a package in the base install? or a meta something ectoplasm? |
| 11:04.07 | nsx | now, until you've set up a mail server that serves over 100 customers |
| 11:04.10 | nsx | don't tell me what software to use |
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| 11:04.11 | SpamHog | !elm |
| 11:04.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, elm is the best damn mail reader ever created, with the possible exception of mailx |
| 11:04.12 | nsx | ok? ok |
| 11:04.18 | Guerin | nsx: hahaha |
| 11:04.53 | nsx | i'm dying to know what replacement there is for qmail, vpopmail, and qmailadmin with the other MTAs though |
| 11:05.07 | nsx | amuse me and say something dumb like "sendmail + webmin" |
| 11:05.13 | Guerin | nsx: postfix, courier-pop and postfixadmin? |
| 11:05.14 | freeza | ok so i have a question, i have the sarge amd64 dvds and kernel 2.6.13 from kernel.org |
| 11:05.21 | freeza | my internet is garbage so i cant download extraa stuff |
| 11:05.27 | Guerin | nsx: with sql backend or not, at your choice. |
| 11:05.29 | sep | nsx, i use postfix, courier |
| 11:05.30 | valdyn | nsx: exim4 + dovecot |
| 11:05.31 | nsx | Guerin: and having to manage several databases? yeah, wonderful |
| 11:05.37 | valdyn | nsx: or postfix + dovecot |
| 11:05.38 | Guerin | nsx: not necessarily. |
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| 11:05.49 | nsx | with postfix you also have to manage a separate database for smtp auth via cyrus-sasl |
| 11:05.53 | nsx | yet a 3rd database |
| 11:05.54 | nsx | fun! |
| 11:05.57 | freeza | the problem is that the kernel in sarge doesnt support dma on my laptop |
| 11:05.57 | nsx | yeah, great replacement |
| 11:05.59 | Guerin | nsx: no you don't. |
| 11:06.00 | sep | nsx, and unless you have configured sendmail before m4 we wont take you serious regarding mailserver :) |
| 11:06.22 | buu | Er, The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:06.23 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.23 | Guerin | i run ONE database for all my mail, and THAT is optional. |
| 11:06.25 | sep | nsx you have to ? strange that i dont |
| 11:06.31 | nsx | sep: sendmail is great, it just isn't exactly what i'm looking for |
| 11:06.35 | Guerin | buu: don't mix repositories |
| 11:06.40 | buu | Guerin: Er, I didn't |
| 11:06.43 | freeza | when i install the debian base system what other packs do i need from the dvds to be able to compile the new kernel? |
| 11:06.53 | freeza | just build-essential? |
| 11:06.56 | fireba11 | nsxi would consider sendmail tu be *urk* |
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| 11:07.05 | streuner | buu: show us your sources.list in paster |
| 11:07.07 | nsx | Guerin: and you use smtp auth? and you have a virtual e-mail setup for customers who can add new e-mail users for domains they offer? |
| 11:07.10 | valdyn | freeza: b-e and what it depends on naturally |
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| 11:07.14 | Guerin | nsx: sure. |
| 11:07.18 | nsx | uh huh |
| 11:07.18 | sep | nsx, yes in a sql base |
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| 11:07.26 | buu | Guerin: I've got: deb m.k.o/ stable main, deb-src m.k.o/ stable main, and security.d.o/ stable/updates main |
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| 11:07.48 | streuner | buu: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:07.52 | valdyn | !depends libncurses5-dev |
| 11:07.53 | Guerin | buu: where is this offending 5.4-9 package coming from? |
| 11:07.57 | dpkg | libncurses5-dev: depends on libncurses5 (= 5.4-9), libc-dev |
| 11:08.02 | valdyn | !depends libncurses5-dev sarge |
| 11:08.03 | SpamHog | anyone: elm vs. mutt? |
| 11:08.06 | dpkg | libncurses5-dev: depends on libncurses5 (= 5.4-4), libc-dev |
| 11:08.10 | freeza | what about evolution? |
| 11:08.10 | Guerin | and what does m.k.o stand for? |
| 11:08.15 | Guerin | SpamHog: mutt. |
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| 11:08.21 | sep | nsx, and whats better , its just installing the prebuild packages reading and doing whats in /usr/share/doc and it 'just works' |
| 11:08.24 | Guerin | freeza: not in the same league as mutt. |
| 11:08.30 | buu | Guerin: mirrors.kernel.org |
| 11:08.34 | Guerin | buu: ah, ok. |
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| 11:08.51 | buu | ii libc6 2.3.5-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
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| 11:09.04 | valdyn | !info libc6 sarge |
| 11:09.08 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 11:09.12 | buu | What led to this issue was trying to install libncurses5-dev |
| 11:09.15 | Guerin | that's a sid libc6 |
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| 11:09.25 | Guerin | !info libncurses5-dev sid |
| 11:09.29 | dpkg | libncurses5-dev: (Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.4-9 (sid), Packaged size: 1221 kB, Installed size: 5652 kB |
| 11:09.32 | nsx | sep: ok, i'll look at that |
| 11:09.36 | sep | the only thing i'd want was for cacerts to be included in all clients (web and mail) would make the ssl easier |
| 11:09.39 | Guerin | buu: like I said in the first place: don't mix sources. |
| 11:09.43 | buu | Guerin: I didn't! |
| 11:09.44 | freeza | ahh ok |
| 11:09.58 | valdyn | buu: we dont believe in magic, so you did |
| 11:10.02 | Guerin | buu: then why is it dragging in sid? Paste your WHOLE sources.list to paster, like you were asked. |
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| 11:10.11 | buu | valdyn: Well, I have to admit, I didn't install it. |
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| 11:10.12 | nsx | last i looked, postfix admin was no replacement for qmailadmin, and that's the biggest reason we stick with qmail |
| 11:10.24 | buu | Guerin: I already gave you my whole sources, but if you want me to repeat it.. |
| 11:10.25 | freeza | but anyway do i just need build-essential to compile a new kernal with a nothing but base debian install? |
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| 11:10.29 | valdyn | buu: great, so find whoever fucked that system ) |
| 11:10.36 | nsx | so i'd have to be happy with its progress before i switched to postfix |
| 11:10.41 | Guerin | buu: if that was your sources.list, you have bigger problems than I can help you with |
| 11:10.44 | buu | valdyn: Heh. It's a dedicated box someplace. |
| 11:10.50 | buu | Guerin: What kind of problems would those be? |
| 11:10.59 | sep | nsx, there are other frontends to the database tho. we use our own inhouse developed haxed |
| 11:11.26 | buu | Guerin: http://erxz.com/pb/51 |
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| 11:11.46 | Guerin | nsx: fair play. It can create and administer domains, users, passwords, etc ... and i think it does quotas as well. I don't need more than that. |
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| 11:12.17 | pandrew | Hello! Has anyone installed lazarus on a debian system? |
| 11:12.25 | Guerin | buu: ok. So now YOU get to figure out why it's calling sid. |
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| 11:12.43 | Guerin | buu: output of apt-cache policy; and apt-cache policy libncurses5-dev |
| 11:12.57 | Guerin | !anyone use lazarus |
| 11:12.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses lazarus, not even the people who use it. |
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| 11:13.08 | walterbrunswick | haha |
| 11:13.23 | buu | Guerin: http://erxz.com/pb/52 |
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| 11:14.20 | pandrew | Hello! Cam somebody help me installing lazarus on a debian system? (sorry for my english) |
| 11:14.34 | Guerin | buu: it looks to me as if you have a sid box whose sources.list has recently been changed to stable. |
| 11:14.35 | streuner | !info lazarus |
| 11:14.38 | valdyn | !lazarus |
| 11:14.39 | dpkg | i guess lazarus is at http://www.pcpros.net/~vbman/ (Lazarus Object Pascal IDE) or the irc user lazarus can be found at mailto:lazarus@overdue.dhis.net |
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| 11:14.42 | buu | Guerin: That's hideously depressing. |
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| 11:14.50 | Guerin | buu: did you set this box up? |
| 11:14.53 | buu | Guerin: No. |
| 11:15.01 | Guerin | buu: talk to the muppet who did :) |
| 11:15.03 | buu | Guerin: I don't suppose you have a simple, one line command that will make all of my problems go away/ |
| 11:15.08 | cybertek | how can i upgrade my apt packages ? |
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| 11:15.27 | Guerin | buu: reboot <followed by putting the install cd in> |
| 11:15.32 | fireba11 | cybertek: you mean like apt-get udpate ? |
| 11:15.35 | Guerin | buu: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 11:15.36 | buu | Guerin: Hey, I would if I could. |
| 11:15.50 | cybertek | fireba11, yes, whenever i try it, it doesnt update them |
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| 11:16.02 | Guerin | buu: almost certainly not posssible to downgrade the whole shop; your other option is to just keep running sid. |
| 11:16.10 | lobomufas | mmm, anyone uses jboss? i'm trying to run two applications in two different ports but i don't find how :( |
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| 11:16.14 | cybertek | fireba11, oh wait, i mean upgrade |
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| 11:16.18 | fireba11 | cybertek: what message ? the update servers are pretty slow right now so it might get a timeout |
| 11:16.20 | cybertek | fireba11, apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:16.47 | pandrew | http://www.pcpros.net/~vbman/ The requested URL /~vbman/ was not found on this server. (yes i would like to install lazarus object pascal ide) |
| 11:17.12 | Guerin | pandrew: i've never even heard of it, sorry. |
| 11:17.18 | cybertek | oh nevermind |
| 11:17.22 | cybertek | i guess its working now |
| 11:17.22 | buu | Guerin: Well, I wouldn't mind running sid |
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| 11:17.33 | buu | Guerin: Much. Just modify my sources? |
| 11:17.47 | cybertek | hmm, no its not |
| 11:17.49 | cybertek | crap |
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| 11:18.22 | cybertek | fireba11, its telling me The following packages have been kept back: apt-show-versions base-config cloop-utils dict ettercap-gtk kismet libfam-dev mindi mknbi mondo pppconfig prelink tasksel xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 11:18.22 | fireba11 | cybertek: try another mirror then |
| 11:18.23 | Guerin | buu: you'd need to. Good luck with that. |
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| 11:18.32 | buu | Guerin: You are depressing me immensely. |
| 11:18.37 | EdLin | !last buu |
| 11:18.38 | buu | Guerin: I think I need lots of sleep to deal with this. |
| 11:18.38 | cybertek | fireba11, how do i get rid of this message ? |
| 11:18.44 | EdLin | oops |
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| 11:18.54 | fireba11 | cybertek: you can install the packages manually, that will upgrade them to latest |
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| 11:19.02 | buu | Guerin: Thanks for the help, I think I'll talk about this again in 12 hours. |
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| 11:19.23 | valdyn | cybertek: 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 11:19.24 | cybertek | fireba11, it doesnt do it automaticly ? i screwed up my python by doing it manually |
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| 11:19.53 | fireba11 | cybertek: packes that are kept back are marked not to get update for one reason or another ... |
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| 11:20.13 | cybertek | valdyn is right |
| 11:20.15 | freeza | ok heres a question, is there a diff between using xfree86 and xorg? and if there is which is better? |
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| 11:21.01 | EdLin | freeza: at present, if you can use xfree86 (its drivers support your card) there's no difference between it and xorg |
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| 11:21.22 | fireba11 | !xorg |
| 11:21.22 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg> |
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| 11:21.51 | freeza | ok |
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| 11:22.22 | nsx | no difference? where's xfree's alpha transparency? |
| 11:22.27 | freeza | so if sarge comes with xfree86, can you still install xorg if xfree doesnt support your card? |
| 11:22.44 | valdyn | freeza: yea, via backports.org |
| 11:22.49 | freeza | i have a mobility radeon x700 |
| 11:23.06 | Guerin | nsx: xcompmgr and (I think) transset aren't considered up to standard |
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| 11:23.09 | valdyn | freeza: forget it with either one, stick to what sarge has and /msg dpkg ati drivers |
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| 11:23.13 | Guerin | nsx: and hence aren't packaged yet |
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| 11:23.26 | Guerin | (i believe - this is as of a few weeks ago) |
| 11:23.45 | Guerin | gravity would be the one to ask about it |
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| 11:24.02 | freeza | well my internet is craptastic right now |
| 11:24.16 | freeza | ahh ok |
| 11:24.39 | freeza | so install the ati driver first then install xfree? |
| 11:24.42 | Guerin | in any case, xcompmgr was unusably slow last I tried it -> not worth the hassle |
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| 11:24.46 | Morti | In Bash script, how do I append a two digit random number to a string? |
| 11:24.54 | Guerin | Morti: #bash |
| 11:24.57 | SlayerXP | good morning/afternoon/evening |
| 11:25.02 | valdyn | freeza: install xfree86 as its in sarge, then install the ati drivers |
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| 11:25.16 | Morti | Guerin: Ta. |
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| 11:25.27 | Gathond | Morti: something involving $RANDOM%100 |
| 11:25.29 | dimir | G'afternoon, SlayerXP |
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| 11:25.51 | EdLin | !greet SlayerXP |
| 11:25.52 | dpkg | Salutations, SlayerXP |
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| 11:26.38 | freeza | ok cool |
| 11:26.40 | Morti | #bash is quieter than here. ;) |
| 11:26.51 | freeza | also after installing a base system to install a vanilla kernel you only need build-essential right? |
| 11:27.30 | dimir | mort__: "your_string$[ $RANDOM % 100 ]" |
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| 11:27.37 | SlayerXP | Morti: ask in #unix |
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| 11:27.39 | freeza | the kernel that comes with sarge doesnt support dma on my laptop, only 2.6.12+ does |
| 11:27.39 | Guerin | freeza: build-essential, libncurses5-dev for menuconfig, kernel-package to build the thing |
| 11:27.42 | dimir | I mean Morti |
| 11:28.03 | Guerin | freeza: there are 2.6.12 kernels in testing and unstable, under linux-image |
| 11:28.16 | Update | what are allways the same duds doing chating here ? |
| 11:28.35 | fbi | depends, what's a 'dud' |
| 11:28.37 | valdyn | !confuse Update |
| 11:28.37 | dpkg | Yes, where is their weasel tomorrow, Update? trousers of the republic of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 11:28.45 | SlayerXP | Update: duds don't chat much. clothing is rarely noted for conversational ability |
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| 11:29.07 | dimir | :-P |
| 11:29.11 | freeza | ohh on the sarge amd64 dvds? |
| 11:29.23 | littlefeet | hello and good morning |
| 11:29.33 | Update | is the usa gov on war with linux ? |
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| 11:30.14 | Update | can i delete stuff under /temp ? |
| 11:30.23 | SlayerXP | Update: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 11:30.34 | simonrvn | u.s. gov't is at war with everyone. whats your point? |
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| 11:31.12 | fbi | the point is at the top of his dunce cap. |
| 11:31.28 | simonrvn | heh heh heh |
| 11:31.34 | Update | like the ones fbi duds wear ? |
| 11:31.35 | fbi | or klan hood, whichever you prefer. |
| 11:31.57 | Update | or is it the swat team ? |
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| 11:32.34 | Update | i ear the best fbi agents are the ones sniffing drugs |
| 11:32.41 | Update | aufg auf |
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| 11:33.13 | simonrvn | hrm, me thinks Update has been huffing on that glue pot too long |
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| 11:33.34 | Update | simonrvn you use your head to think ? |
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| 11:33.40 | Update | give it up |
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| 11:33.51 | simonrvn | of course i do. can't say the same about you |
| 11:33.52 | Update | your guesses are why out |
| 11:34.06 | freeza | so i can choose to install the testing kernel before i install the base system? |
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| 11:34.15 | simonrvn | i'm not guessing ;) |
| 11:34.22 | valdyn | freeza: no |
| 11:34.27 | Update | then you are delusional |
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| 11:34.50 | simonrvn | hardly. not when the evidence is plain to see |
| 11:34.51 | Update | ok you are right simonrvn |
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| 11:35.04 | Update | (never chalege a retard ) |
| 11:35.23 | freeza | ok |
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| 11:36.14 | simonrvn | this is too much. you can't even spell correctly, i'm going to stop now, it's like fighting with a turnip |
| 11:36.19 | fbi | haha |
| 11:36.35 | fbi | at least the turnip would be usefel afterwards though. |
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| 11:36.44 | fbi | s/usefel/useful/ |
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| 11:36.56 | Update | LoL |
| 11:36.57 | simonrvn | to some people, yeh. i can't eat 'em |
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| 11:37.37 | beti7 | n |
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| 11:38.03 | beti7 | hi |
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| 11:38.15 | Update | dont you think linux is the ultimate hacking tool ? thats why they are pushing it towards china ? |
| 11:38.42 | nsx | sep: where are these docs in /usr/share/doc that you speak of? |
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| 11:38.44 | Update | china loves that sort of things |
| 11:39.23 | fbi | Update: were you anally conceived? or did you turn into an ass later in life? |
| 11:39.31 | northern_monk | hehe |
| 11:39.52 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 11:41.05 | Update | fbi you must be guessing that based on your owne experience |
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| 11:41.41 | Update | square but |
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| 11:42.22 | Update | do you fbi guys borne stupid or are you geneticly engenhered to be |
| 11:42.36 | simonrvn | sure. we all guess that what you've been saying for however long you've been here to be non-sensical and way off-topic. i'm now putting you on ignore, since you've taken up way too much of my time as it is, and i have better things to do with it than talk at a turnip |
| 11:42.43 | northern_monk | Update: what are u on mate, come on have u time to waste ? |
| 11:42.44 | jm_ | is there really noone to get rid of this moron? |
| 11:42.49 | fbi | Update: do you have a legitimate Debian question? or do you just wake up and join here to spout off mindless drivel. |
| 11:43.16 | fbi | jm_: my friend ignore just got rid of him |
| 11:43.16 | Update | i dont wanna take up your place no fbi |
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| 11:43.40 | northern_monk | he must be a bot to be this pertistant? |
| 11:43.58 | jm_ | fbi: sure, but that means it's still using my bandwith |
| 11:44.09 | fbi | good point. |
| 11:44.16 | seeeS | is ignore server based or client based? |
| 11:44.26 | seeeS | ifit is server then you dont get the message |
| 11:44.27 | Gathond | seeeS: on IRC client |
| 11:44.29 | nsx | client based |
| 11:44.29 | fbi | seeeS: ehm. client? |
| 11:44.45 | seeeS | ah, then he does use your bandwidth! |
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| 11:46.17 | Update | i have a dog called bob2 |
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| 11:47.19 | seeeS | heh, silly comments |
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| 11:55.13 | dimir | wtf |
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| 11:55.59 | nvz | looks like a new wave of spambots |
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| 11:56.17 | Mitzi | turk attack |
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| 11:56.54 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 11:57.03 | seeeS | oh is that what all the joins were |
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| 12:00.00 | streuner | !nospambots |
| 12:00.00 | dpkg | somebody said nospambot was http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
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| 12:00.29 | streuner | if you don't use irssi, just use /ignore #debian JOINS QUITS |
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| 12:00.57 | seeeS | xchat has a menu item |
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| 12:01.13 | fireba11 | miranda too :-) |
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| 12:01.29 | Randakar | anyone here who can tell me a bit about how to work with .h files in a c(++) program? |
| 12:01.35 | resiak | Randakar: #c |
| 12:01.41 | seeeS | whats the point of them? what can they do with 2 seconds? |
| 12:01.54 | bob2 | you don't generally use .h files in C++ apps |
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| 12:01.59 | bob2 | not the system .h ones, anyway |
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| 12:02.01 | nvz | Randakar: not unless you can ask a more specific question that relates to debian somehow. |
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| 12:02.30 | Randakar | nah, just didn't know a better channel. And #c is weird |
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| 12:02.53 | nvz | heh they are C coders, you expect them to be normal?! |
| 12:03.04 | Randakar | as in, it gives me a strange message about ##c (c-sharp??) and joining an #about channel .. neither of which I actually want |
| 12:03.14 | bob2 | so |
| 12:03.17 | bob2 | either piss off |
| 12:03.21 | bob2 | or actually ask your question |
| 12:03.24 | nvz | C-sharp is C# not #C |
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| 12:03.53 | bob2 | to be rather blunt |
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| 12:03.56 | ircops | morning |
| 12:03.58 | Randakar | bob2: you're one polite fellow yeah :P |
| 12:04.03 | nvz | ircops: indeed |
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| 12:04.17 | bob2 | working up to off-topic questions is even more annoying than off-topic questions |
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| 12:04.21 | Randakar | Afternoon |
| 12:04.21 | nsx | since when was the debian community known for its politeness? |
| 12:04.22 | ircops | !bob2 |
| 12:04.22 | dpkg | [bob2] a donkey abuser!, or not your mother, or http://www.lgu.org/photohim02/pages/bob2.htm, or "an old man with no hair", according to himself, or my dog's name, or a fairly successful track and field athlete (http://www.birchfieldharriers.org/roadtosydney/profiles/rweir.htm), or a sneaky troll, or http://gamp.mine.nu/apt-x, or a how now brown cow, or a friendly helpful man unlike sussudio, or no fun, or a lemon meringue pie, or the kahaki pimp |
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| 12:04.45 | Randakar | I'm not working up to off-topic questions - I'm simply not going to ask it anymore :P |
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| 12:04.51 | nvz | who would name their dog bob2 |
| 12:04.57 | bob2 | hey, I haven't used kahakai in years |
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| 12:05.20 | ircops | nvz: someone that had a dog named bob that got ran over, then got one just like it |
| 12:05.29 | fireba11 | bob2: rofl |
| 12:05.54 | fireba11 | ircops: like snowball2 ? lol |
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| 12:05.57 | bob2 | I'm not even sure where the donkey abuse thing came from |
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| 12:06.25 | nvz | ircops: yeah george carlin talked about that. said its nice, you can go to the pet shop and get a carbon-copy of your ex god-damned dog.. just toss the dead one up on the counter and say 'gimme another one of those, that was good' and you dont have to change the pictures on your wall or anything |
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| 12:07.25 | ircops | hehehe |
| 12:07.37 | Randakar | Except it doesn't actually work :P |
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| 12:08.09 | Randakar | I mean, they have this company that clones your dog. Fine. But the clone *isn't* looking exactly like the original, and it doesn't behave the same either. |
| 12:08.13 | gracweb | HI... |
| 12:08.15 | fjkonrad | hello, how can I start the partition manager (as far as I've read it is the module partman of the installer) after I have installed the system (e.g. adding a second HD and integrate it) |
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| 12:08.56 | ircops | fjkonrad: if it's an actual physical hard drive, it should auto-detect. |
| 12:08.58 | Randakar | what's up with all the random nick joins? |
| 12:09.05 | nvz | for the most part they are all dumb as hell, so it a way they all act the same. some are more well behaved than others |
| 12:09.09 | fireba11 | Randakar: spambots .. |
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| 12:09.18 | nvz | Randakar: seems a bunch of mirc users got sploited |
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| 12:09.23 | Randakar | great |
| 12:09.29 | ircops | hehe |
| 12:09.36 | Randakar | and they absolutely have to join this channel? |
| 12:09.46 | fireba11 | ircops: i think he was talking about formatting, partitioning and mounting it .. |
| 12:09.49 | Randakar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.11 | streuner | Randakar: no, all big channels have this problem as well, #ubuntu, #gentoo... |
| 12:10.12 | nvz | Randakar: ignore it. there is a script to do it automatically for irssi. |
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| 12:10.39 | at0m|c | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:10.49 | ncp | isnt firefox avalible ind debian testing 64? |
| 12:10.52 | Randakar | Damn, it's obviously been too long since I last used IRC |
| 12:11.07 | ircops | fireba11: makes sense, I guess :) |
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| 12:11.37 | fjkonrad | ircops: i want to integrate it in my LVM. and I liked the installer when I've booted the system. but can I run this part of the installer afterwards? |
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| 12:12.36 | ircops | fjkonrad: I dunno... I've always used fdisk |
| 12:12.55 | Randakar | question: how exactly are you supposed to use classes in .h files in C++? |
| 12:13.02 | Randakar | wrong channel :P |
| 12:13.11 | ircops | hah |
| 12:13.16 | Randakar | argh |
| 12:13.23 | Mitzi | if they have no class I wouldn't have anything to do with them |
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| 12:15.04 | darkness1 | You can't remove the 'Sex Pistols' surely? |
| 12:15.14 | Mitzi | depends where you inserted them |
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| 12:15.37 | streuner | darkness1: well, i like Punk, but don't use Sex Pistols ever! :-) |
| 12:15.45 | streuner | s/use/listen/ |
| 12:15.59 | shadowcat | hmm |
| 12:16.06 | shadowcat | what's up with wiki.debian.org? |
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| 12:16.12 | shadowcat | err wiki.debian.net |
| 12:16.14 | darkness1 | Streuner, i would have taken them off you. |
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| 12:17.07 | ncp | why is firefox not ind debian testing 64? if i apt search theres firefox locale's but no firefox :s |
| 12:17.57 | shadowcat | because it's testing |
| 12:18.01 | shadowcat | it's not supposed to be complete |
| 12:18.31 | darkness1 | Does debian have a security auditing program like obsd does? |
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| 12:19.11 | ncp | shadowcat: okay :( but thunderbird is there... |
| 12:19.41 | shadowcat | !testing |
| 12:19.41 | dpkg | hmm... testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 12:20.30 | nkuttler | oh, since when is frozen a release? |
| 12:20.40 | nvz | frozen == stable |
| 12:20.48 | hyperstream | i was just reading on the ATI website that ati drivers is supported for linux? so why do people still tell me not to get it since im using cedega and doing gaming?, it supports 3D graphics |
| 12:21.01 | nvz | note it said release phase |
| 12:21.05 | streuner | nvz: uh, no |
| 12:21.14 | nvz | all stable, oldstable and obsolete are frozen |
| 12:21.16 | nkuttler | nvz: correct |
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| 12:21.21 | hyperstream | The ATI Proprietary Linux driver currently provides hardware acceleration for 3D graphics and video playback. It also includes support for dual displays and TV Output. |
| 12:21.23 | hyperstream | ? |
| 12:21.26 | shadowcat | hmm |
| 12:21.29 | shadowcat | !forget testing |
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| 12:24.34 | CrocoJet | anyone wake up here ? |
| 12:24.42 | nvz | testing, unstable..etc are phases like solid, liquid, gas.. releases are called by codename |
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| 12:25.05 | nvz | CrocoJet: nope, no one |
| 12:25.05 | ircops | no |
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| 12:25.08 | ircops | no one is awake |
| 12:25.10 | ircops | I am sleep-typing |
| 12:25.19 | shadowcat | can anyone reach wiki.debian.net? |
| 12:25.25 | streuner | no |
| 12:25.34 | CrocoJet | lol |
| 12:25.37 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 12:25.39 | shadowcat | blegh |
| 12:25.50 | shadowcat | ok who's ddosing the server this time! |
| 12:25.53 | ircops | shadowcat: wiki.debian.org |
| 12:26.08 | ircops | shadowcat: that's the only one i can reach |
| 12:26.11 | CrocoJet | I was seeing my file auth.log and curious to understand one thing |
| 12:26.19 | ircops | shadowcat: .net times out |
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| 12:26.46 | shadowcat | ircops: yes I know that |
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| 12:26.49 | shadowcat | but I need .net |
| 12:26.53 | shadowcat | the KDE status is on .net |
| 12:26.54 | shadowcat | not .org |
| 12:27.00 | CrocoJet | what is the meaning that: "localhost su[5484] +??? root:nobody" |
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| 12:27.12 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.16 | ircops | shadowcat: yeah, but .net times out for me too :) |
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| 12:27.54 | azeem | shadowcat: I heard .net might have been taken down or something |
| 12:28.10 | shadowcat | nvz: last time I checked the wiki it said 3.4.2 was in unstable |
| 12:28.16 | cheal | shadowcat: no, it's been out for a while |
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| 12:28.16 | shadowcat | the topic still says "most" |
| 12:28.30 | nvz | !info kdelibs4 |
| 12:28.33 | shadowcat | cheal: 3.4.2? |
| 12:28.40 | nvz | !info kdelibs |
| 12:28.40 | cheal | shadowcat: when was the last time /topic #debian-kde was useful? |
| 12:28.41 | CrocoJet | "su[5484] (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (id=0)" |
| 12:28.43 | dpkg | kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 12:28.51 | CrocoJet | what is the meaning that ? |
| 12:28.52 | cheal | except the last time dato updated it... |
| 12:28.53 | shadowcat | cheal: that's my point |
| 12:29.06 | shadowcat | that's why I'm attempting to reach the wiki page :P |
| 12:29.09 | cheal | shadowcat: the ops are already aware that /topic is useless |
| 12:29.22 | shadowcat | heh |
| 12:29.24 | cheal | shadowcat: there's nothing to do, it's down noe |
| 12:29.26 | cheal | now |
| 12:29.29 | shadowcat | how stable is 3.4.2? |
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| 12:30.02 | CrocoJet | anyone knows ? |
| 12:30.03 | cheal | ? it should be as stable as you'd expect a KDE 3.*.2 to be |
| 12:30.07 | shadowcat | christ half the debian world must be hitting security.debian.org for security updates |
| 12:30.09 | nvz | kde was never much on stability seems like its designed to be slow, not stable |
| 12:30.18 | CrocoJet | (i dont like kde .. ) |
| 12:30.18 | shadowcat | shush :P |
| 12:30.26 | shadowcat | smacks even |
| 12:30.38 | ircops | MmMmm.... nvz snack |
| 12:30.40 | ircops | hehe |
| 12:30.40 | darkness1 | I've never liked KDE tbh. |
| 12:30.58 | shadowcat | fireba11: quit hogging the bandwidth |
| 12:31.01 | m4lu7 | hmm. httpboot. that's interesting. |
| 12:31.06 | ircops | These are better fried! :D |
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| 12:31.28 | ircops | the pinkies get real crunchy |
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| 12:32.04 | ircops | oh no... |
| 12:32.09 | ircops | not the mirc trout-slap |
| 12:32.18 | gregj | does sarge-sparc64 has fully 64bit userland ? |
| 12:32.29 | fireba11 | it's miranda trout-slap even |
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| 12:33.09 | nvz | winme is like the greatest OS Microsoft ever made.. all the bugs of Win95, Win98 and a whole lot more |
| 12:33.15 | Morti | How do I change an NIS password? |
| 12:33.25 | Guerin | ok, who can come up with a good search strong which will result in a tool which converts plain text to an image of same? |
| 12:33.36 | shadowcat | ircops: I got MSDN Universal |
| 12:33.38 | darkness1 | Shadowcat, i hear winME had dos issues? |
| 12:33.49 | shadowcat | nvz: sssh, they're called features |
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| 12:33.55 | shadowcat | features, not bugs :P |
| 12:34.02 | ircops | shadowcat: how 'bout AOL 1500 hours free coasters, errrrr, CDs ? ;D |
| 12:34.05 | petemc | Guerin: a screen dump of a window containing said text? |
| 12:34.17 | shadowcat | ircops: we don't have AOL in this country |
| 12:34.19 | shadowcat | thank god |
| 12:34.22 | ircops | haha |
| 12:34.29 | ircops | lucky bastard |
| 12:34.30 | aum | hi - anyone know why manual sync after writing to a usb flash stick is fast, but writing to it when mounted with sync is way slow (40k/s) ? |
| 12:34.41 | nvz | oh so its a feature, that memory used by a program is not reused when the program terminates.. and the pc wont even make it to crashing on the Win9x uptime bug, because the memory leakage kills it first |
| 12:34.55 | Guerin | petemc: needs to be automatable |
| 12:35.00 | petemc | ah |
| 12:35.05 | jm_ | aum: because data is most likely already written when you run sync |
| 12:35.06 | Guerin | petemc: preferably something I can pipe to on stdin |
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| 12:35.26 | jm_ | Guerin: imagemagick can do that |
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| 12:35.34 | Guerin | oh, of course |
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| 12:35.50 | aum | jm_: not true - writing/syncing a 1MB file takes 4s, writing it to sync-mounted stick takes 1min |
| 12:36.00 | bibe | hi all. are there any security related news concerning xfree86 sarge packages? Yesterday a 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' upgraded all packages to version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1, but still no debian-security advisory... |
| 12:36.00 | noble- | does debian have a built in alternative to the sysinfo command |
| 12:36.22 | jm_ | -draw 'text pos "your text"' |
| 12:36.31 | jm_ | <pos> |
| 12:36.33 | nvz | I wonder if my last name was Reese and I started a computer comany called Reese's PCs if I would get sued by the company that makes Reeses Pieces |
| 12:36.37 | darkness1 | Whats with the large data updates today? |
| 12:36.43 | Whitman | Is anyone else finding ftp.uk.debian.org slow? apt is getting packages very slowly or just a connection error. |
| 12:36.45 | ircops | nvz: lol |
| 12:36.56 | darkness1 | Whitman: It's slow. |
| 12:37.02 | fireba11 | Whitman: read the fucking topic |
| 12:37.14 | jm_ | aum: that might mean it calls sync for each block, I don't know implementation details |
| 12:37.32 | petemc | nvz: there isnt much overlap between I.T and confectionary, so probably not |
| 12:37.41 | noble- | hmm, atleast uname is there |
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| 12:37.53 | Whitman | fireba11, it says www.debian.org is slow, uk.debian.org would be a different server |
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| 12:39.05 | nvz | petemc: I wonder how many customers I could nab off them.. people would be like, well I like Reeses Pieces, so the PCs must be good too :) |
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| 12:39.57 | ircops | nvz: comes complete with Common Unix Print Services, aka Reese's CUPS |
| 12:40.05 | nvz | heh |
| 12:40.09 | ircops | =] |
| 12:40.19 | sleon | how can i see with dpkg how much space every deb installed on my system is using? |
| 12:40.24 | nvz | ircops: you're hired! |
| 12:40.29 | ircops | haha |
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| 12:41.07 | fireba11 | Whitman: yes .. but there are a couple big updates today ti seems so even mirrors might get slow |
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| 12:41.36 | ircops | fireba11: site updates or package updates? or both? |
| 12:42.05 | sleon | any suggestions? |
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| 12:42.53 | nvz | Reeses Serial, will be the dumb terminals dept |
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| 12:42.57 | trygvebw | Hi, who do you ask if you want information about a ban? |
| 12:43.15 | fireba11 | ircops: package updates as far as i can tell |
| 12:43.30 | nvz | I believe there is a command to look at that info I forget though |
| 12:43.38 | streuner | trygvebw: ask who banned you? |
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| 12:43.54 | cheal | sleon: dpkg -s foo |
| 12:43.57 | ircops | fireba11: where can I find a list of what packages they are transitioning? |
| 12:44.04 | sleon | cheal and for all packages? |
| 12:44.24 | streuner | trygvebw: /msg chanserv access #channel list |
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| 12:44.40 | trygvebw | streuner: ok |
| 12:44.51 | jm_ | sleon: Installed-Size field - man dpkg-awk, man grep-dctrl |
| 12:44.54 | trygvebw | streuner: noone banned ME, but i know someone who's been banned |
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| 12:45.55 | ncp | the best way to install nvidia driver? |
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| 12:46.09 | streuner | !tell ncp about nvidia one liner |
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| 12:46.32 | shadowcat | !nvidia driver one liner |
| 12:46.40 | shadowcat | hmm.... |
| 12:46.43 | ncp | streuner: thanks |
| 12:47.10 | elirips | hello. is security.debian.org mirrored nowhere? i am using mirrors for the "normal" lines, but I did not find one for security.d.o.. if there are none, why not? |
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| 12:47.55 | azeem | elirips: security reasons |
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| 12:49.03 | elirips | azeem: but... if you can't post security updates on a mirror because of security reasons.. isn't it then unsafe too to post "normal" debs on a mirror? what's the difference? |
| 12:49.38 | cheal | azeem: security reasons? |
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| 12:50.20 | mernil | you debianins are all paranoid! security.. bah.. |
| 12:50.51 | streuner | mernil: we are not talking about desktop systems... |
| 12:50.52 | Marcum18D | Security! It's important. |
| 12:50.52 | ircops | Debianins?!?! WHERE?!?! |
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| 12:50.59 | mernil | even RMS didn't want to have passwords |
| 12:51.07 | nvz | debsums |
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| 12:51.20 | mernil | i'm right, your're wrong! |
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| 12:51.29 | azeem | mernil: he changed his opinion at some point I believe |
| 12:51.32 | nvz | what's up doc? |
| 12:51.35 | azeem | or at least his password |
| 12:51.48 | mernil | azeem: okay.. if you say so! |
| 12:51.49 | Marcum18D | Foghorn leghorn still reigns supreme. |
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| 12:52.06 | gregj | does sarge-sparc64 has fully 64bit userland ? |
| 12:52.12 | tarzeau | gregj: no |
| 12:52.19 | gregj | :( |
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| 12:52.26 | shadowcat | hmm |
| 12:52.33 | shadowcat | anybody using the korn shell in here? |
| 12:52.35 | tarzeau | gregj: http://www.us.debian.org/ports/sparc/ |
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| 12:52.40 | gregj | so it is just the kernel is 64bits ? |
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| 12:52.42 | nvz | that reminds me of when George Carlin said "I distinguish between maniacs and crazy people. A maniac will beat several people to death with a steel dildo. A crazy person will beat several people to death with a steel dildo, but he'll be wearing a bugs bunny suit at the time." :) |
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| 12:52.51 | tarzeau | gregj: kernels of 64bit exist |
| 12:52.55 | LSorense | gregj: apparently using 64bit is inefficient for most things |
| 12:52.56 | gregj | yep |
| 12:53.00 | gregj | LSorense: I know |
| 12:53.03 | mernil | nvz: Gerorge Carlin is funny :) |
| 12:53.10 | LSorense | gregj: hence you wouldn't want a pure 64bit sparc |
| 12:53.13 | gregj | LSorense: at least for older sparc64 cpus |
| 12:53.25 | gregj | LSorense: but at least64 bit glibc would be nice |
| 12:53.35 | LSorense | gregj: I imagine they have that, but I could be wrong |
| 12:53.41 | mernil | his funny and republican.. a perfect combo ;) |
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| 12:54.04 | nvz | mernil: its his job, "thinking up goofy shit and comming around every now and then to tell you about it. ... If you've got a zipcode, I'll fuckin be there!" |
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| 12:54.23 | cahoot | mernil: funny, republican at OT to be sure |
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| 12:55.39 | nvz | cahoot: how do you know his political offiliation? |
| 12:55.58 | cahoot | nvz: < mernil> his funny and republican.. a perfect combo ;) |
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| 12:56.19 | nvz | mernil: then how do _you_ know :P |
| 12:56.39 | Marcum18D | What is it with fat people and being upset whenever someone asks them if they know a good place to eat. |
| 12:56.51 | nvz | heh |
| 12:56.55 | mernil | nvz: i don't know ;P |
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| 12:57.05 | Marcum18D | That would be like me getting pissed if someone came up and started speaking to me in spanish, Come on, look at this face, Beeaaanneeerrrr |
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| 12:57.24 | petemc | Marcum18D: do you really have nothing better to do that troll on irc? |
| 12:57.32 | Marcum18D | I'm not trolling on irc. |
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| 12:57.37 | petemc | s/that/than/ |
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| 12:57.49 | mernil | i'd like to have permission to spam the channel.. it that okay.. it'r really funny! |
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| 12:58.10 | mernil | only around 20 lines |
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| 12:58.17 | shadowcat | mernil: no more ascii porn! |
| 12:58.19 | petemc | Marcum18D: you'll get kicked after 4 |
| 12:58.23 | petemc | gah |
| 12:58.25 | nvz | no you will get kicked |
| 12:58.35 | shadowcat | !paste |
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| 12:58.35 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 12:58.40 | nvz | there isnt anything else going on.. but that doesnt mean pasting is cool |
| 12:58.55 | mernil | shadowcat: its not porn.. but okay.. it's in my blog mernil.kde.se <- the second post |
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| 12:59.04 | seeeS | ASCII porn? I'm partial to captial-U as it makes such a loverly noise on low-speed links |
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| 12:59.21 | Marcum18D | o.O |
| 12:59.25 | mernil | btw: Welcome :) |
| 12:59.43 | agabus | what is the difference between a businesscard netinstall, and a normal one (other than the size ofcoarse) |
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| 12:59.58 | Marcum18D | What? |
| 13:00.03 | nvz | agabus: with or without the base |
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| 13:00.32 | agabus | nvz - so it just downloads things such as the kernel |
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| 13:00.36 | nvz | agabus: smaller ones likely dont contain base system, and have to have network connectivity in first-stage install, larger ones can base install from cd, and dont need network until stage 2 |
| 13:01.11 | krassy1809 | how i can compile my alredy patched kernel ? |
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| 13:01.25 | nvz | agabus: base system contains everything needed to reach stage 2 which is booting the system and running base-config i.e. bootloader, kernel, shell, libs, coreutils..etc |
| 13:01.25 | charolastra | make bzImage |
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| 13:01.45 | krassy1809 | hi all |
| 13:01.49 | streuner | krassy1809: why do you think you need a custom kernel? |
| 13:02.01 | m4lu7 | make-kpkg |
| 13:02.02 | agabus | nvz - but will it be any *harder* for me to install from a businesscard disc? or does it just have to download more? |
| 13:02.07 | nvz | agabus: I use netinstalls with base just in case for some reason I cannot get network connectivity in the installer, I can work on it from a fully functional stage2 instead of stage1 busybox in the installer |
| 13:02.24 | nvz | agabus: just has to download the base packages, no more difficult really |
| 13:02.25 | ircops | anybody know of a good software to track IT department inventory of serial/model numbers ? |
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| 13:02.48 | shadowcat | ircops: not really |
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| 13:03.22 | petemc | ircops: and spreadsheet app |
| 13:03.24 | petemc | any |
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| 13:03.30 | nvz | agabus: usually without base its around 30-50mb, with the base its usually around 110-200mb and the mini cds I have hold up to 210mb so I just go with the ones that have base. |
| 13:03.31 | krassy1809 | Because i have a patch without him i can't do some things |
| 13:03.32 | agabus | nvz - hmm ok ill download the businesscard one and see how it goes hopefully it goes alright cuz my broadbands capped atm but my ISP has a debian repo so yer :) i wish i could find a netinstall iso on my ISPs ftp |
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| 13:03.53 | streuner | krassy1809: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 13:04.21 | nvz | agabus: so they let you d/l from their apt mirrors without counting on your bandwidth? |
| 13:04.33 | cahoot | krassy1809: there are quite a few docs on howto compile a kernel 'the debian way' look on google. the thing is - it's frowned upon here and not a supported behaviour |
| 13:04.50 | agabus | nvz - yeh its my 'freezone' they call it, they have a ftp that i can leech stuff from which doesn't go to my quota |
| 13:05.00 | pet | can some one give me the exactly lines for the 2 files to create password on apache?? .htpasswd and .htaccess?? |
| 13:05.06 | streuner | krassy: read newbiedoc.sf.net for a first start KERNEL-HOWTO |
| 13:05.30 | pet | some how it doesn t functio, |
| 13:05.33 | shadowcat | uhh |
| 13:05.38 | shadowcat | they should update the netinstall cd image |
| 13:06.02 | nvz | agabus: thats cool I guess. you should tell them they need to mirror the cd images :P also that they should quit charging you by the bandwidth this is 2005. there are people selling unlimited internet for $9.95-14.95 |
| 13:06.15 | fireba11 | shadowcat: why that ? |
| 13:06.24 | pet | some one knows about htaccess and htpasswd ?? |
| 13:06.26 | shadowcat | fireba11: tons of security updates |
| 13:06.34 | shadowcat | and security.debian.org is swamped at the moment |
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| 13:06.45 | shadowcat | took me 40 min to download 10 megs worth of updates |
| 13:06.55 | petemc | !comfort shadowcat |
| 13:06.57 | dpkg | There, there, shadowcat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 13:07.21 | agabus | nvz - i think they may image the iso's, but i've been searching their ftp and can't find them :( maybe you'd have better luck? ftp.iinet.net.au (anonymous) |
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| 13:07.30 | nvz | so someone download the shit and setup a mirror almost.secure.debian.org :P |
| 13:07.49 | fireba11 | heeh |
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| 13:09.10 | gniretar | !wave |
| 13:09.16 | gniretar | hi all |
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| 13:09.27 | mford | when I tried to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfee86, I get an error that xserver-xfee86 is not installed. I reinstalled it to no avail |
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| 13:09.46 | cahoot | mford: xfee a typo? |
| 13:10.03 | gniretar | hey guys, anyone know why cron would keep looking for jobs that i have removed from the crontab file? |
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| 13:10.14 | agabus | nvz ?? |
| 13:10.21 | nvz | agabus: newest I see is ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-netinst/woody/releases/current/woody_netinst-20020626-i386.iso and thats without base, for the old woody install |
| 13:10.22 | FallOnMe | Hi, I want to get rid of ALSA OSS compatibility modules, how do I tell hotplug not to load them? |
| 13:10.29 | mford | thanks you ! |
| 13:10.50 | agabus | nvz - yer and thats not really of any use to me |
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| 13:11.08 | cahoot | FallOnMe: put snd-pcm-oss in blacklist? |
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| 13:11.48 | nvz | agabus: your ISP mirrors debian security updates on that ftp ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-security/dists/sarge/ |
| 13:11.53 | SquarePants | hi, i have a newbie question |
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| 13:12.07 | nvz | agabus: people are all bitching about a debian security mirror because s.d.o is slow right now |
| 13:12.08 | agabus | nvz - yeah |
| 13:12.13 | SquarePants | how do i cp directories? |
| 13:12.24 | nvz | agabus: seems up to date as of like 2 days ago |
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| 13:12.40 | agabus | nvz - oh k fair enough. try being capped to 64k for a week :( |
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| 13:12.42 | FallOnMe | cahoot: no cigar |
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| 13:13.04 | nvz | agabus: how much are you paying and what is the connection speeds? |
| 13:13.08 | cahoot | FallOnMe: ? |
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| 13:13.27 | agabus | nvz - 1.5meg adsl umm somethin like $60 a month |
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| 13:13.40 | FallOnMe | cahoot: putting snd-pcm-oss in /etc/hotplug/blacklist didn't help. |
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| 13:13.47 | agabus | nvz - but most all plans down here in aus are shitty |
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| 13:14.38 | SquarePants | excuse me....? :S |
| 13:14.39 | cahoot | FallOnMe: maybe look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 13:14.55 | valdyn | FallOnMe: why even bother? |
| 13:15.00 | nvz | agabus: thats insane it would never fly here. uncapped DSL at 1.5M in US goes for like $40 and 3M cable uncapped goes for like $30-50 depending on location |
| 13:15.22 | FallOnMe | valdyn: I want mplayer not to detect OSS. |
| 13:15.24 | ajmt | hi |
| 13:15.26 | nvz | agabus: its nice to have a local ftp mirror though |
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| 13:15.50 | valdyn | FallOnMe: you could set mplayer to use alsa in its config and avoid 'detecting' alltogether |
| 13:15.56 | agabus | nvz - yeh kinda blows :( wish i had my mates 100mbit in korea he uses to check his email and go on msn :( |
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| 13:16.08 | FallOnMe | valdyn: other apps too. I want things to fail if they want OSS, so I can catch the remaining OSS users. |
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| 13:16.20 | FallOnMe | valdyn: oh, I already do that. |
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| 13:16.31 | nvz | agabus: their cd images are slightly outdated .. but I found what you are looking for |
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| 13:16.44 | agabus | nvz - oh? |
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| 13:16.51 | valdyn | FallOnMe: i'd just remove those modules ( or mv snd-pcm-oss snd-pcm-oss.bak ) |
| 13:16.59 | nvz | agabus: ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/images/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso there is a businesscard there too, but thats the full netinstall with base for debian 3.1 (sarge |
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| 13:17.09 | ajmt | i am relatively new to debian and have a question, can i ask? |
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| 13:17.21 | FallOnMe | valdyn: that would work, but maybe there's a cleaner way. |
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| 13:17.31 | nvz | agabus: they have an decent ammount of debian stuff mirrored there, dvd images and all |
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| 13:17.35 | agabus | nvz - yer but thats just the sarge netinstall not testing |
| 13:17.42 | FallOnMe | valdyn: haven't thought of that though, thanks |
| 13:18.10 | ajmt | in a tutorial i found it says:"Change directory to the top level of a kernel build tree" - what does that mean? |
| 13:18.16 | nvz | agabus: you can install testing with it if you wanted, just put testing in the sources list when you get to that point. |
| 13:18.18 | jm_ | it means what it says |
| 13:18.21 | jm_ | ajmt ^^^^^ |
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| 13:18.33 | ajmt | yeah I am sorry but i have never used linux before |
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| 13:18.44 | valdyn | FallOnMe: modifying /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base works but its not that nice as installing new alsa packages then might require your intervention again |
| 13:18.49 | jm_ | it means you need to change directory to the place it mentions, nothing else |
| 13:18.50 | ajmt | and just followed a tutorial from howtoforge |
| 13:18.51 | jm_ | pretty simple |
| 13:18.52 | nvz | agabus: its not a good idea to run testing if you have bandwidth limits but I guess if they have testing mirrored to its not so bad.. I havent checked that yet to see if its up-to-date |
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| 13:19.00 | jm_ | ajmt: why are you messing with this? |
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| 13:19.22 | ajmt | because i am trying to patch my kernel with mppe so that vpn works |
| 13:19.29 | ajmt | need to vpn to a ms server |
| 13:19.37 | jm_ | so you'll need the kernel source |
| 13:19.40 | _mek | hello, im suffering from this bug for several days and nothing seems to be done about it : ! |
| 13:19.40 | ajmt | so i need a mppe patched kernel |
| 13:19.52 | _mek | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328981 |
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| 13:19.57 | FallOnMe | valdyn: hmm. /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base is a conffile, so that should be all right. |
| 13:20.08 | nvz | agabus: ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/ |
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| 13:20.13 | agabus | nvz - yer bandwidths not a problem for that cuz they got the mirror of it. and do i need to manually edit the whole sources.list file with the sarge netinstall? how much do i have to alter? |
| 13:20.30 | tarzeau | does someone run openwall patched kernels (2.4.31)? |
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| 13:20.57 | FallOnMe | valdyn, cahoot: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base did it, thanks |
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| 13:21.22 | ajmt | i tried to install the kernel source via apt-get but apt-get tells me that it can't find it |
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| 13:21.29 | ajmt | uname -r gave me the version |
| 13:21.30 | nvz | agabus: the isos in there are still called sarge but thats probably cause there is no new installer for etch, they might have changed the packages and be using the same debian-installer from sarge is all ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/current/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:21.39 | jm_ | package name is not kernel-source |
| 13:21.47 | jm_ | find the real package name and install that |
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| 13:22.10 | Eclipser | is there a way to bind my mouses extra key somehow? |
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| 13:22.14 | nvz | agabus: or I could be misunderstanding what debian-cd-testing means alltogether |
| 13:22.17 | ajmt | ok, i assumed it was kernel-source since i found that in another tutorial |
| 13:22.25 | ajmt | will look for the package, thanks |
| 13:22.40 | dogwater | does anyone know what the deal is? I installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp because I have a SMP box, and when i reboot it says "bad magic" |
| 13:22.57 | jm_ | !tell ajmt -about search |
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| 13:23.05 | tarzeau | dogwater: what cpu do you have? |
| 13:23.06 | agabus | nvz - meh ill just let this download off the official site go, i get uncapped again after midnight (in an hour) so yer i guess ill just stay up |
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| 13:23.09 | dogwater | 2x xeon |
| 13:23.16 | tarzeau | dogwater: does your hd probably have a problem? |
| 13:23.32 | Nielsen | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:23.38 | dogwater | why would my hd have a problem if it works ok with the stock kernel? |
| 13:23.41 | tarzeau | dogwater: tried googling for your error msg? |
| 13:23.42 | nvz | agabus: oh? you're only capped during certain hours? |
| 13:24.06 | tarzeau | dogwater: because one kernel might lie on a bad sector, and the other not? |
| 13:24.17 | tarzeau | dogwater: lilo or grub? |
| 13:24.26 | tarzeau | dogwater: how many times did it fail with that error msg? |
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| 13:24.34 | dogwater | grub |
| 13:24.36 | dogwater | and multiple |
| 13:24.41 | dogwater | i've uninstalled it and reinstalled |
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| 13:24.49 | agabus | nvz - i have "peak" traffic and "off-peak" traffic, peak being basically during the day up till midnight and off-peak the other times, i got capped on my peak traffic cuz i went over 10 or 20 gig quota limit whateva it is at the moment |
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| 13:25.06 | apokryphos | Is there an apt command to display the files in a given package? |
| 13:25.20 | charolastra | sure |
| 13:25.26 | charolastra | dpkg -L pkgname |
| 13:25.39 | dpkg | ii pkgname 2.3-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 13:26.45 | valdyn | dogwater: can you list your fstab entry for the partition your kernel is on? |
| 13:26.49 | snail | is there a command like "tail -f" that will work on fifos? there's a bug in the current version of tail... |
| 13:27.05 | jm_ | dpkg can show them as codumented, apt-file can show it for uninstalled packages |
| 13:27.09 | jm_ | documented* |
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| 13:27.31 | apokryphos | charolastra: no, a package that's in apt =) |
| 13:27.44 | apokryphos | (say, if I didn't have it installed locally) |
| 13:27.56 | apokryphos | it must be possible since some apt-frontends display the files a package installs |
| 13:28.07 | dogwater | valdyn: /dev/md0 /boot ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 13:28.09 | krassy1809 | Need i have to extact kernel source package to specific directory , to patch kermel ? |
| 13:28.18 | krassy1809 | Need i have to extact kernel source package to specific directory , to patch kernel ? |
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| 13:28.47 | charolastra | anyone wanna help hunt down a bug? in amarok go to setting -> configure amarok -> last.fm -> and enable the last option ("retrieve similiar artists") and play a song; then tell me if your CPU usage skyrockets to 100%; thanks everyone |
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| 13:28.50 | valdyn | dogwater: and your old kernel was which one? |
| 13:28.52 | evl | Anyone remember the command to invoke the graphical LVM client presented during the installation process? |
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| 13:29.25 | snail | krassy1809: normally yes |
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| 13:30.42 | mkl1525 | When I use "ssh root@server 'find /home/mkl/backup -mtime +1'" I get a list of files in backup with absoulte path. But I'd like to have the path relative to my home diretory - is this possible? |
| 13:30.45 | nvz | agabus: oh well. the ftp site is nice I wish there were ISPs around here decent enough to locally mirror all that content. they have everything patches, servers, extras for all kinds of popular games, FreeBSD, Gentoo, OpenBSD, Debian, Fedora, cygwin, Knoppix, Mandrake, Redhat, Ubuntu, Slackware, Suse, putty, nvidia, linux kernel mirror, Windows updates, OSX updates, Nero, Mozilla.. etc |
| 13:30.53 | nvz | its like seemingly endless :P |
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| 13:31.06 | krassy1809 | in what directory |
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| 13:31.56 | jm_ | mkl1525: man basename |
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| 13:32.49 | nvz | agabus: there seems to be little reason to go over your qouta with that kind of local content, and if they have off-peak hours you can easily schedule your heavy traffic around that |
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| 13:33.00 | WaterDog | Sorry I got disconnected. |
| 13:33.04 | lakcaj | mkl1525, would "ssh root@server 'cd /home/mkl/backup && find ./ -mtime +1' " do the trick? |
| 13:33.06 | jm_ | mkl1525: actually basename won't help, just use sed |
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| 13:33.20 | jm_ | mkl1525: or call find with a different parameter |
| 13:33.30 | krassy1809 | What i have to do to patch my kernel ? |
| 13:33.46 | lakcaj | !tell krassy1809 about kernel-package |
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| 13:33.57 | bob2 | krassy1809: to do what? |
| 13:34.05 | mkl1525 | lakcaj, that looks useable thanks! |
| 13:34.10 | nvz | you could just use debian kernels that are automatically patched, or be more specific about what patch you are using |
| 13:34.20 | krassy1809 | patch the kernel |
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| 13:34.34 | mkl1525 | jm_, thanks tried basename as exec parameter and it works like expected |
| 13:35.10 | jm_ | mkl1525: it doesn't print any dirs, it won't work |
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| 13:35.52 | bob2 | krassy1809: why are you trying to patch the kernel? |
| 13:36.25 | _mek | hello, because of this bug : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328981 I'm unable to install anything using apt for several days and nobody seems to do anything about the bug. What can I do? |
| 13:36.31 | charolastra | anyone wanna help hunt down a bug? in amarok go to setting -> configure amarok -> last.fm -> and enable the last option ("retrieve similiar artists") and play a song; then tell me if your CPU usage skyrockets to 100%; thanks everyone |
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| 13:37.12 | mkl1525 | jm_, in my case I don't any dirs so this wouldn't be a problem here |
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| 13:38.00 | bob2 | _mek: why can't you use apt? just put udev and the kernel on hold. |
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| 13:38.43 | bob2 | so |
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| 13:38.48 | bob2 | I have ertius.org |
| 13:39.05 | _mek | bob2: how do I do it? |
| 13:39.20 | bob2 | if I make a zone home.ertius.org on my router at home, and point every thing local at that nameserver, it should Just Work, right? |
| 13:39.24 | bob2 | _mek: /msg dpkg hold |
| 13:41.06 | _mek | bob2: thanks |
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| 13:42.03 | fdv | can anybody tell me what a conflicts/pre-depends-loop actually is? |
| 13:42.21 | fdv | that is, I can see what a pre-depends loop can be, but a conflict loop? |
| 13:42.21 | error500 | are there problems with the php4-sqlite package? i only seem to end up with SOME of the php functions from it... |
| 13:42.22 | Zomb | fdv: chicken-and-egg problem |
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| 13:43.08 | fdv | Zomb: yes, but what have conflicts to do with that? |
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| 13:43.51 | _keroppi_ | When apt-get says: "Package acroread is not available, but is referred to by another package.", how do you find this "other package"? And in general, how do you find out what happened to this package that you remember being able to install a while ago? |
| 13:43.54 | Zomb | fdv: it is a relationship with similar effect to depends |
| 13:44.02 | _keroppi_ | (not specific to acroread) |
| 13:44.18 | Zomb | _keroppi_: refered? You mean provided? |
| 13:44.20 | Daedalus_ | fdv: A total guess would be either "do something until X conflict is resolved" or "Loop until you have X conflict" |
| 13:44.20 | Guerin | _keroppi_: it's probably in non-free or contrib |
| 13:44.28 | Guerin | Zomb: no, he means referred |
| 13:44.45 | Zomb | ah. That means there are some traces of this package but it is no longer available. |
| 13:45.00 | Guerin | Zomb: as the error message states. |
| 13:45.01 | _keroppi_ | Guerin: I have non-free and contrib in my sources.list for stable, testing and unstable |
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| 13:45.07 | abrotman | does LVM have a habit of going belly up? |
| 13:45.08 | _keroppi_ | Guerin: And I did an update |
| 13:45.21 | _keroppi_ | Zomb: I copied and pasted from the terminal |
| 13:45.25 | Guerin | _keroppi_: in that case, it's no longer anywhere. And remove at least stable from your sources. It's redundant. |
| 13:45.27 | Zomb | Guerin: grep-available package-name |
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| 13:45.37 | Guerin | Zomb: thanks, I know how to search. |
| 13:45.40 | DogWater | Any idea why vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 sees my hd, and vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686-smp doesnt? |
| 13:45.44 | Zomb | _keroppi: grep-available package-name |
| 13:45.47 | DogWater | you'd think it would be the other way around |
| 13:45.48 | Zomb | Guerin: then answer him |
| 13:45.51 | bob2 | _mek: apt-cache showpkg acroread |
| 13:46.09 | Zomb | bob2: no, it is _not_ there, that is all about |
| 13:46.12 | DogWater | It says it cant start md1 because it cant find the disks |
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| 13:46.39 | _mek | bob2: putting the package on hold did not change anything |
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| 13:46.48 | Guerin | !info acroread |
| 13:46.51 | bob2 | Zomb: hm? I thought it would show reverse mentions of it |
| 13:46.57 | Guerin | i seem to recall it being removed anyhow |
| 13:47.01 | DogWater | The guy who installed should've just used linux26 when he installed and it would've probably worked fine |
| 13:47.01 | Guerin | right |
| 13:47.09 | streuner | Guerin: no, acroread is in marillat's repo.... |
| 13:47.18 | Guerin | _keroppi_: do you have any external reposoitories |
| 13:47.19 | Guerin | ? |
| 13:47.20 | evl | Anyone remember the command to invoke the graphical LVM client presented during the installation process? |
| 13:47.32 | ravo | i wonder if any gurus around could help me.. theres an email file which is being reported by file as "part-00001: bzip compressed data, version:" but if i run "/usr/bin/bzip2 -d part-00001" it reports bzip2: part-00001 is not a bzip2 file. can anyone help me out here, do i need to upgrade file incase this is a different type of file and its not being read properly? |
| 13:47.33 | _keroppi_ | What was the thing someone said about "package available"? My irc client closed suddenly |
| 13:47.40 | streuner | so it is NOT official... |
| 13:47.49 | _keroppi_ | Guerin: I have security.debian.org, and stanchina.net for ati drivers |
| 13:48.14 | streuner | evl: /msg dpkg ig |
| 13:48.22 | streuner | ig mentioned it, IIRC |
| 13:48.23 | DogWater | So noone has any idea how I can fix this? |
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| 13:48.34 | _keroppi_ | Did someone type a line to me that was an apt command? |
| 13:48.42 | _keroppi_ | I need that line again, I lost track of it |
| 13:48.43 | Guerin | _keroppi_: <Zomb> _keroppi: grep-available package-name |
| 13:48.45 | _keroppi_ | thanks |
| 13:48.47 | me_here | ravo: maybe it is downloaded partially or split ? |
| 13:49.19 | ravo | me_here its an email message and amavisd is crying |
| 13:49.41 | DogWater | i guess i'll just reformat it |
| 13:49.41 | lakcaj | _keroppi_, it is in the marillat repo. deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 13:49.42 | DogWater | =/ |
| 13:49.45 | DogWater | thanks! |
| 13:49.48 | sevenoak | does anyone have experiences with looseUDP? i have probs playing Starcraft on battle.net with 2 PCs from behind my network in the same game |
| 13:49.57 | ravo | me_here: so file is erroring and im trying to work how i can get round this |
| 13:49.58 | lakcaj | _keroppi_, you should take a look at evince also, it is a great pdf viewer. |
| 13:50.12 | _keroppi_ | lakcaj: Thanks |
| 13:50.43 | lakcaj | _keroppi_, I think streuner mentioned it somewhere up there, just making sure you got the info |
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| 13:52.02 | darkness1 | I've just been apt-update'ing and got E: unable to fetch some archives mabe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing.Both of these give me nothing.Well apt-get update gives 'reading package list.....done? |
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| 13:52.48 | Guerin | darkness1: look at the output of apt-get update; - there might be timeouts or 404s or somesuch |
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| 13:54.03 | ajmt | hi |
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| 13:54.52 | charolastra | shift + pageup |
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| 13:55.03 | darkness1 | tks |
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| 13:55.25 | quiet | does anyone actually know what is wrong with Security that's making it so slow?? Is there timeframe as to when i should be fixed? |
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| 13:55.37 | darkness1 | Guerin: 111 connection refused is the error i got. |
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| 13:55.41 | abrotman | quiet: it's on dialup this week |
| 13:55.47 | streuner | quiet: nee more bandwidth |
| 13:55.47 | quiet | ouch |
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| 13:55.54 | streuner | heh |
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| 13:56.24 | quiet | i'm surprised pair hasn't donated a server/bandwidth to help |
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| 13:57.21 | streuner | http://master.debian.org/~joey/klecker.eth0-day.png |
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| 13:58.38 | manu | How can i make this work ssh -V > file |
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| 13:58.46 | manu | It does not work |
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| 13:59.23 | saloxin | manu: what are you trying to capture? stderr is 2>file |
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| 13:59.42 | manu | The version info from ssh -v |
| 13:59.48 | quiet | how do I see the # of packages available? |
| 13:59.50 | manu | How to do that? |
| 14:00.03 | saloxin | ssh -V 2> out |
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| 14:00.29 | euzinho | . |
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| 14:00.44 | evl | Someone told me to check the installation guide for instructions on how to invoke the curses LVM client, but the client is only present in the installer and I would like to use the LVM manager post-install |
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| 14:01.19 | saloxin | quiet: apt-cache stats |
| 14:01.26 | quiet | thx |
| 14:01.41 | sevenoak | can anyone see a way to solve... i have a network with 2 windows PCs trying to play starcraft in one game, this do not work. when each PC playing his own game in the battle.net all works, no lag! |
| 14:01.51 | sevenoak | error is "hight latency" |
| 14:01.59 | saloxin | sevenoak: check your gateway - might be NAT trouble |
| 14:02.01 | manu | saloxin: Ok got it thanks |
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| 14:03.54 | Guerin | Daedalus_: did anyone explain connection refused yet? |
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| 14:04.30 | Guerin | Daedalus_: oops |
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| 14:04.54 | debianised | anyone knows a paste site please ? |
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| 14:05.02 | streuner | dpkg, paste |
| 14:05.03 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 14:05.17 | leOn | although i've choosen to use my keyboard layout with dead keys, they just don't work (AT ALL) ... just pressing an accent results in nothing .. i really don't remember what else i could be missing |
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| 14:05.52 | valdyn | leOn: and accent followed by space? |
| 14:05.55 | Lilldude_ | hello liab;e |
| 14:06.00 | leOn | valdyn: space only |
| 14:06.11 | leOn | valdyn: looks like the dead keys are ... DEAD |
| 14:06.13 | leOn | =) |
| 14:06.17 | debianised | thanks streuner |
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| 14:07.10 | fdv | apparently, others have had problems with e2fsprogs and conflicts/pre-depends-loops, but the explanation has afaics been an attempt to migrate directly from woody to sid, and I've never had woody on this computer. any ideas how to find the package that causes this? |
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| 14:07.24 | Guerin | !tell darkness1 about connection refused |
| 14:07.34 | valdyn | !tell fdv -about sid |
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| 14:07.41 | valdyn | !sid upgrade |
| 14:07.41 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 14:08.09 | debianised | May you guys please have a look at this ? a package that requires a kernel 2.6.12 in stable ??http://channels.debian.net/paste/743 |
| 14:08.16 | debianised | May you guys please have a look at this ? a package that requires a kernel 2.6.12 in stable ?? http://channels.debian.net/paste/743 |
| 14:08.18 | debianised | sorry |
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| 14:08.28 | debianised | wanted to separate text from link |
| 14:08.30 | Guerin | Daedalus_: install linux-image-2.6-386 |
| 14:08.32 | fdv | valdyn: I did actually only ask for ideas |
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| 14:08.42 | resiak | debianised: Erm ... etch is not stable. |
| 14:08.45 | stew | debianised: yes, what is the question? |
| 14:08.45 | fdv | if you don't have any, that's fine |
| 14:08.46 | ARdEBaRAn | hello |
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| 14:08.50 | darkness1 | Tks Guerin. Either a dead server or syn < rst sort of thing :-) |
| 14:08.50 | ARdEBaRAn | does anybody here use Eterm ? |
| 14:08.55 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 14:08.55 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 14:09.15 | stew | debianised: oh stable? thats not in stable, thats etch or sid |
| 14:09.17 | Guerin | darkness1: right. Check the ip; it might be that you're not actually querying the right host. |
| 14:09.18 | darkness1 | Guerin: Update has worked this time. |
| 14:09.25 | ARdEBaRAn | dpkg: was that a joke ? |
| 14:09.27 | ARdEBaRAn | or what? |
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| 14:09.36 | Guerin | (like when my damn isp poisoned my dns to force me to use their cache) |
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| 14:09.43 | Guerin | ARdEBaRAn: no. |
| 14:10.08 | valdyn | debianised: etch isnt stable. |
| 14:10.10 | ARdEBaRAn | so, explain that? |
| 14:11.00 | Guerin | ARdEBaRAn: nobody uses it. Not even the people who use it. Isn't it clear? |
| 14:11.04 | valdyn | debianised: that is a known bug in etch however |
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| 14:11.20 | debianised | valdyn, hum true, sorry, kind of mixing stuff |
| 14:11.45 | debianised | allright, i'll wait for it to be fixed then |
| 14:11.46 | quiet | all I want after my repos is "main contrib non-free" right? |
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| 14:11.59 | valdyn | debianised: check bugs filed against udev in the bts, there probably is various workarounds too |
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| 14:12.20 | ARdEBaRAn | Guerin: not at all |
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| 14:12.38 | ARdEBaRAn | bye |
| 14:12.53 | dumezil | whats an easy way to figure out what my external ip is? |
| 14:13.04 | valdyn | dumezil: ifconfig |
| 14:13.05 | quiet | whatsmyip.com |
| 14:13.07 | dumezil | ie the external address on my router |
| 14:13.16 | dumezil | to use in a script |
| 14:13.16 | cahoot | ARdEBaRAn: the gist of it is: put a real queation describing your problem |
| 14:13.17 | Guerin | dumezil: iplookup.flashfxp.com |
| 14:13.19 | tarzeau | dumezil: telnet linuks.mine.nu 65535 |
| 14:13.21 | apokryphos | Is there an *apt* command to display the files in a given package? |
| 14:13.25 | rpm-e-star | ,,, |
| 14:13.26 | Guerin | dumezil: plain old beautiful text |
| 14:13.26 | rpm-e-star | ... |
| 14:13.29 | FallOnMe | whatsmyip.com does not work. |
| 14:13.34 | rpm-e-star | -bash: iostat: command not found |
| 14:14.17 | valdyn | apokryphos: what's wrong with 'dpkg -L' ? |
| 14:14.30 | apokryphos | valdyn: can't use it if the pack isn't installed |
| 14:14.31 | quiet | sorry, "whatismyip.com |
| 14:14.48 | Guerin | apokryphos: apt deals with packages themselves, not their contents. |
| 14:15.00 | Guerin | apokryphos: packages.debian.org will tell you |
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| 14:15.01 | FallOnMe | rpm-e-star: iostat is in "sysstat" package |
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| 14:15.11 | valdyn | apokryphos: apt-cache show apt-file, man apt-file |
| 14:15.11 | apokryphos | Guerin: how do apt frontends know the files a given package has then? |
| 14:15.12 | abrotman | such a lovely program too |
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| 14:15.22 | Guerin | apokryphos: they interface with dpkg |
| 14:15.34 | apokryphos | Guerin: they download the package information? |
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| 14:15.51 | Guerin | apt-file is a different package; you'd have to install it, and you might as well install apt if that's the case |
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| 14:16.09 | Guerin | apokryphos: no. |
| 14:16.14 | apokryphos | installing now |
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| 14:16.31 | Guerin | apokryphos: why is dpkg not installed, from curiosity? |
| 14:17.04 | valdyn | Guerin: he doesnt want to install the package who's files who wants to list |
| 14:17.17 | apokryphos | Guerin: it of course is |
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| 14:17.36 | apokryphos | Guerin: but I'm wondering how I'd be able to get the files a package has if I don't have it installed (the debian package, that is) |
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| 14:17.45 | _keroppi_ | I'm trying to use the Marillat debian archive, but the keys aren't available, how do I add the keys to whatever list I need to? |
| 14:17.51 | Guerin | apokryphos: ah. |
| 14:17.54 | apokryphos | Guerin: s/get the files/get the list of files/ |
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| 14:18.39 | trueno | What's on with security.debian.org? Anyone knows why it does not work anymore? |
| 14:18.39 | Guerin | _keroppi_: this is detailed on the site. |
| 14:18.59 | AlverGone | Hello. It just occurred to me that I can't print from gimp - there simply isn't a "print" option. Am I missing something or is this a known thing? |
| 14:19.00 | _keroppi_ | Guerin: thanks |
| 14:19.05 | quiet | trueno, on dialup temporarily |
| 14:19.12 | stew | trueno: too many people want the xfree updates. |
| 14:19.29 | stew | quiet: what? |
| 14:19.31 | apokryphos | Guerin: ok thanks. |
| 14:19.31 | quiet | it works.. just slow.. may time out |
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| 14:19.59 | quiet | stew? |
| 14:19.59 | student | Hi can someone give me a hand, I am using the the netinst disk can, base system goes on fine but when I reboot and start throught the install process I alway get the error "There was a probelm installing the selected software...one or more packages failed to install" I have changed my mirror, etc. is this common? |
| 14:20.05 | karma1 | Under logwatch, I've been seeing a lot of packets attempting to be sent to port 1026 and 1027, any way of finding out why it seems to be targeting those specific ports over and over? |
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| 14:20.10 | trueno | quiet: stew ok, just "overloaded" then :-) |
| 14:20.16 | quiet | yes |
| 14:20.22 | quiet | keep at it |
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| 14:20.50 | stew | trueno: there is a unoficcial, temporary mirror at ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security |
| 14:20.54 | quiet | student, in testng.. that's a common problem right now |
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| 14:21.25 | student | quiet: so what are my options? |
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| 14:21.37 | incorrect | hi, does anyone know how to remove a user account |
| 14:21.41 | incorrect | from evolution |
| 14:21.41 | stew | student: paste the exact transaction somewhere (not here) |
| 14:21.43 | incorrect | doh |
| 14:21.45 | quiet | use the stable release? |
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| 14:22.11 | stew | incorrect: edit -> preferences |
| 14:22.18 | incorrect | something not in ~/.evolution holds the user account info, and i can't get rid of the account |
| 14:22.22 | student | stew: what is the exact transaction? |
| 14:22.45 | stew | student: show us what command you are typing and what results you get |
| 14:22.52 | incorrect | stew, do you know where on the file system it is? |
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| 14:23.29 | quiet | stew he's working on a netist |
| 14:23.32 | quiet | netinst* |
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| 14:23.46 | quiet | it was doing that to me the other day to |
| 14:23.48 | quiet | sarge does not |
| 14:23.53 | AlverGone | Oh, nvm... apparently the print functionality isn't part of default gimp anymore |
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| 14:24.29 | stew | incorrect: they would be in $HOME/evolution/mail or some such... |
| 14:24.47 | stew | student: if that is the case then use sarge cd's and update. the etch cd's are sketchy |
| 14:25.00 | incorrect | stew, you would think that wouldn't you, but sadly removing ~/.evolution does nothing |
| 14:25.00 | stew | s/update/upgrade/ |
| 14:25.24 | quiet | incorrect, you are referring to an email username, yes? |
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| 14:25.37 | stew | incorrect: seems unlikely. it shouldn't be storing user data anywhere other than $HOME |
| 14:25.40 | stew | incorrect: strace it |
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| 14:25.54 | student | stew: is the sarge cd's 3.1r0 (sarge) |
| 14:26.10 | student | stew: at http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 14:26.13 | stew | yes |
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| 14:26.21 | iNX | hi @ all |
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| 14:26.35 | iNX | i`ve a problem while installing vpnclient from cisco |
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| 14:27.13 | stew | and the problem is...? |
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| 14:27.24 | incorrect | sorry what i am after is the calender |
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| 14:29.04 | nse | Hello everybody, there is a part of my hda1 which is saved for root files, is there a way to resize this part in order to free space; my hd is full I need space. |
| 14:29.13 | stew | incorrect: why are you tring to remove this from the filesystem instead of from within evolution? |
| 14:29.19 | abrotman | nse: depending on the filesystem .. yes |
| 14:29.48 | dawg | nse, tune2fs if it's ext2/3 |
| 14:30.19 | incorrect | stew, because it won't remove from within evo |
| 14:30.23 | abrotman | i'm not sure you can do it after the FS is created and has data .. but oh well |
| 14:30.25 | nse | abrotman: my filesystem is ext3 |
| 14:30.29 | student | stew: thanks for your help, I'll give these a try |
| 14:30.30 | incorrect | i've got an exchange calender stuck |
| 14:30.31 | abrotman | nse: 5% by default |
| 14:30.33 | stew | incorrect: have you filed a bug about this? |
| 14:30.38 | incorrect | refuses to delete |
| 14:30.39 | dawg | abrotman, you can |
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| 14:30.49 | ircops | damn dell raid controllers... argh |
| 14:30.52 | valdyn | incorrect: you deleted ~/.evolution ? |
| 14:31.08 | incorrect | valdyn, yep :) i tried that |
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| 14:31.20 | incorrect | all it did was lose me my local mail |
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| 14:31.25 | valdyn | incorrect: quite evolution, run 'ps aux | grep evolu' |
| 14:31.29 | valdyn | incorrect: quit evolution, run 'ps aux | grep evolu' |
| 14:31.30 | jaskie | hi all |
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| 14:31.42 | ircops | jaskie: whatup |
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| 14:32.05 | nse | abrotman: do you know more or less how is the command sintax; |
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| 14:32.24 | abrotman | nse: man tune2fs |
| 14:32.29 | abrotman | i know the syntax! |
| 14:33.50 | Rixa | I can create a new X authentication cookie with "xauth generate". But how do I tell the server to stop accepting it? "xauth remove" only removes it from the list for clients. |
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| 14:33.52 | Andi- | how do i stop the beep when i press tabs and stuff? |
| 14:33.59 | stew | Andi-: /msg dpkg bell |
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| 14:34.07 | valdyn | incorrect: this ought to be a communication issues between evolution and gconf2 |
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| 14:34.44 | valdyn | incorrect: accounts anyway are stored in gconf, not evolution |
| 14:34.45 | Andi- | thanks stew :D |
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| 14:34.51 | valdyn | incorrect: accounts anyway are stored in gconf, not ~/.evolution |
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| 14:35.34 | Andi- | stew, will it start beeping after a reboot? or is it saved now ? |
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| 14:36.23 | nse | abrotman: in the manual page it says something like: -m reserved-blocks-percentage: Set the percentage of reserved filesystem blocks. but don't give me extra info on how to build the sintax, is it tune2fs -m 3% can you help me; |
| 14:36.44 | incorrect | valdyn thanks |
| 14:36.44 | stew | Andi-: no that was temporary, use .bashrc / .xsession to make it stick for future logins/xsessions |
| 14:36.55 | abrotman | nse: it would probably be tune2fs -m 3% /dev/<partition> .. but that's just a guess |
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| 14:37.19 | stew | Andi-: if you want to make it even more permanant than that, then take wire clippers to your chasis speaker cable |
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| 14:37.28 | nse | abrotman: Ok, I'll check it out correctly. |
| 14:37.35 | lesshaste | is there a linux equivalant to the dos "fdisk /mbr"? |
| 14:37.35 | Andi- | hehehe stew ;) |
| 14:37.46 | tarzeau | lesshaste: ms-sys |
| 14:37.51 | valdyn | lesshaste: yes |
| 14:37.58 | Andi- | havent installed soundcard yet |
| 14:38.13 | Supaplex | apt-get install soundcard |
| 14:38.15 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 14:38.18 | valdyn | tarzeau: wonder if that really is what he wants ) |
| 14:38.34 | lesshaste | tarzeau: thx! Great answer :) |
| 14:38.35 | tarzeau | valdyn: i have no needs for something like it |
| 14:38.58 | Andi- | need new kernel before i can install sound |
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| 14:40.24 | valdyn | nse: a percentage is a numerical value, not "3%", it would be "3" |
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| 14:42.29 | abrotman | 3! |
| 14:42.36 | abrotman | grand moff tarken! |
| 14:42.53 | nse | valdyn: Yes. |
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| 14:44.20 | nse | abrotman, valdyn: I have free space problems, what is the point of using clean to creaye free space; Is there anything essencial in the .deb's; Why does the debian system, by defaul, cache all those .deb's; |
| 14:44.38 | abrotman | apt-get clean |
| 14:44.43 | abrotman | deborphan |
| 14:45.00 | DaMonk | HI, the big difference on a daily netinstall build and the official stable build is only that with the daily build i get all the newest stuff, right? |
| 14:45.14 | ircops | hehehe hell no |
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| 14:45.24 | ircops | stable means STABLE |
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| 14:45.30 | ircops | everything else means NOT STABLE |
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| 14:45.45 | ircops | or at least not guaranteed to be stable |
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| 14:46.07 | DaMonk | hehe sure... but else, am I right? |
| 14:46.41 | fireba11 | DaMonk: the daily build could easily be totally broken as well |
| 14:46.53 | DaMonk | fireba11 howcome? |
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| 14:47.28 | DaMonk | fireba11 just downloaded the build from yesterday and everything went smooth, now i'm setting up x server... |
| 14:47.30 | xst | I just asked dpkg about php5. Why isn't it available as a backport for sarge? |
| 14:47.33 | fireba11 | DaMonk: it's an automatic build .. generated daily .. and most of the time the latest changes aren't tested yet |
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| 14:47.55 | ircops | DaMonk: I used netinstall to install the etch release, it works perfect for me... somewhere between stable and unstable, but for me, it's stable |
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| 14:48.05 | fireba11 | DaMonk: of course you can just try it but don't complain if something doesn't work :-) |
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| 14:48.35 | DaMonk | fireba11 hehe sure i wont... but somebody has to check the developers work... hehe |
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| 14:48.50 | ircops | DaMonk: that would usually be other developers lol |
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| 14:48.56 | DaMonk | :P |
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| 14:49.13 | jengelh | How can I find the names of the packages that depend on ash? |
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| 14:49.33 | DaMonk | what would usually go wrong with a unstable build? |
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| 14:49.37 | karma1 | While monitoring logwatch, I've been seeing a lot of packets attempting to be sent to port 1026 and 1027, any way of finding out why it seems to be targeting those specific ports over and over? |
| 14:49.38 | bob2 | jengelh: apt-cache rdepends ash |
| 14:49.44 | ircops | DaMonk: I installed sid, which is the unstable release, before I got etch (testing), and sid fucked up royally... so they REALLY MEAN unstable when they say so |
| 14:49.45 | jass | hi, this might be a dumb question, but what is GTK? |
| 14:50.03 | streuner | jass: gtk.org |
| 14:50.08 | bob2 | jass: gimp toolkit, the library that draws buttons and menus and such in gnome |
| 14:50.12 | ircops | !gtk |
| 14:50.12 | dpkg | well, gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit. You probably want to "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev", or now at version 2, which may be installed with "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev". libgtk1.2 is GTK+, libgtk2.0 is GTK2. They are NOT compatible. They are totally separate.. |
| 14:50.16 | valdyn | karma1: why would you care? |
| 14:50.21 | DaMonk | okay... where do i get etch? |
| 14:50.26 | jass | streuner, bob2: thnks |
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| 14:50.50 | karma1 | valdyn: dont really, but i'm getting 1000+ packets a day, and mainly to those ports so I'm just curious |
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| 14:50.57 | slak- | howdy |
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| 14:51.07 | incorrect | with inetd.conf is it possible to tie a service to an ip address? |
| 14:51.07 | slak- | what cpu/mobo would u guys look at for a backup server |
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| 14:51.15 | bob2 | incorrect: use xinetd |
| 14:51.16 | slak- | also, hardware RAID5 or software |
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| 14:51.22 | bob2 | hardware, of course |
| 14:51.25 | slak- | ok |
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| 14:51.31 | slak- | and as far as cpu/mobo? |
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| 14:51.33 | incorrect | bob2, i thought xinetd had been retired? |
| 14:51.36 | Marcum18D | To install PHP you only need to select php4 in aptitude right? |
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| 14:51.39 | bob2 | incorrect: no |
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| 14:51.41 | azeem | incorrect: incorrect |
| 14:51.42 | slak- | im lookin at amd64+asus |
| 14:51.43 | slak- | ? |
| 14:51.45 | ircops | DaMonk: you can use netinstall, and they should offer three different options: Stable (Sarge), Testing (Etch), and Unstable (Sid)... at least that's the way that I remember it... I only had to install once and I've been running great ever since I downgraded to etch using apt, so I don't really remember... there should be three "releases" listed you can choose from tho |
| 14:51.45 | bob2 | Marcum18D: depends what you want it to do |
| 14:51.47 | slak- | overkill? |
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| 14:51.56 | incorrect | when i was last in here i was told, oh only red hat still use xinetd |
| 14:51.56 | bob2 | Marcum18D: if you want apache to use it, no, you need more |
| 14:51.58 | Marcum18D | Bob just preview PHP pages locally |
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| 14:52.04 | bob2 | then no |
| 14:52.05 | Noid | what is the correct way of letting users run things such as gnome-ppp or kppp? via sudo? |
| 14:52.06 | Marcum18D | While writing them |
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| 14:52.15 | slak- | noid: group |
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| 14:52.19 | abrotman | Noid: no |
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| 14:52.23 | abrotman | dip group iirc |
| 14:52.30 | Noid | ok thanks |
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| 14:52.47 | slak- | amd64 overkill for a backup server? |
| 14:52.52 | DaMonk | ircops would this be usefull? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso |
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| 14:53.09 | stew | slak-: definately |
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| 14:53.16 | slak- | stew: more like athlon xp? |
| 14:53.36 | slak- | or an existing p4 i have laying around |
| 14:53.37 | Marcum18D | bob2: So, Would that be a no I need more, or No I don't need more? |
| 14:53.41 | ircops | DaMonk: do you not have the netinstall image? |
| 14:53.41 | stew | slak-: mine is a dual p2 i found on sitting in a dumpster |
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| 14:53.55 | incorrect | is xinetd still the better one to use? |
| 14:53.55 | abrotman | slak-: depends on the use of the server it's backing up |
| 14:53.56 | slak- | stew: any suggestion for a raid card? |
| 14:54.09 | ircops | DaMonk: I used this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 14:54.10 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 14:54.11 | DaMonk | ircops no i have "debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso" |
| 14:54.26 | stew | slak-: i have always been happy with 3ware cards, i've gotten 8 port cards off ebay for <$100 |
| 14:54.28 | slak- | PROMISE 4-PORT SATA RAID 5 HBA HARDWARE ASSIST RAID |
| 14:54.31 | slak- | is what im gettin |
| 14:54.32 | bob2 | Marcum18D: that's a "be more specific and tell us what web server you're trying to setup" |
| 14:54.35 | bob2 | slak-: that is not hardware raid |
| 14:54.36 | abrotman | eww .. promise |
| 14:54.41 | ircops | DaMonk: (it was from a different address, but I used the netinst ISO) |
| 14:54.43 | stew | slak-: thats probably not actually a raid card |
| 14:54.44 | slak- | ok |
| 14:54.46 | outerb | can anyone help me out with a link which gives step by step instructions on installing xorg on sarge? |
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| 14:54.47 | bob2 | slak-: note the bullshit use of "ASSIST" as a weasel word |
| 14:54.52 | slak- | yea |
| 14:54.56 | slak- | i was woinderign wtf it meant |
| 14:54.57 | quiet | woah.. opera went totally free... that rocks |
| 14:55.00 | DaMonk | ircops yes that should be the same one, just that the businesscard version is a smaller netinstall i guess? |
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| 14:55.15 | stew | slak-: the only promise "raid" card i had took down both drives in a raid1 at the same time, so i'll never buy another |
| 14:55.24 | slak- | haha |
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| 14:55.32 | slak- | i have tekram at home and 3ware here |
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| 14:55.40 | slak- | figured id give promise a shot |
| 14:55.45 | valdyn | karma1: windows messenger seems to use that port, would be a way to send you popup ads for example. |
| 14:55.58 | slak- | PATA>SATA? |
| 14:56.27 | quiet | business card ISO installs EVERYTHING from the net... netinst installs a base from the disc, reboots and installs the rest of the system from the net... |
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| 14:56.47 | ircops | !businesscard |
| 14:56.47 | dpkg | If you want to install Sid and don't want to download useless stuff, use the businesscard image |
| 14:56.49 | Marcum18D | bob2: No webserver at all. I'm trying to make it so I can open a local PHP file and veiw it locally while writing it |
| 14:57.07 | bob2 | Marcum18D: er |
| 14:57.09 | DaMonk | ircops so business card is not etch? only sid? |
| 14:57.12 | Marcum18D | I don't want to upload it to my webserver everytime I'm trying to preview my work. |
| 14:57.20 | bob2 | Marcum18D: if you mean "run it and view the output in your web browser", you need to say so |
| 14:57.20 | quiet | Marcum18D, you must have a local webserver to parse the pages |
| 14:57.27 | bob2 | Marcum18D: otherwise, you can view it in your text editor |
| 14:57.35 | ircops | DaMonk: I have no idea... that's all the info that dpkg had on it... I have never messed with business card images, so I wouldn't know |
| 14:57.48 | Marcum18D | .. I think that's what i've said 3 times now. |
| 14:57.54 | DaMonk | ircops allright, gonna try the netinst |
| 14:57.55 | bob2 | Marcum18D: so install one, duh |
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| 14:57.57 | Marcum18D | veiw it locally.. |
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| 14:58.05 | bob2 | Marcum18D: sudo apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 14:58.06 | stew | DaMonk: there is no official sid installer. businesscard with install sarge, or maybe etch |
| 14:58.23 | ircops | DaMonk: actually, I think the businesscard image is an image that is meant to fit on the cds that are business-card-sized (fit in a business card slot in your wallet and stuff) |
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| 14:58.49 | DaMonk | ircops I came as faar as you ;) |
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| 14:59.21 | DaMonk | ircops but the netinst would have the opportunity to choose between sarge, etch & sid?? |
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| 14:59.46 | ircops | DaMonk: as I recall, yes, because I did install sid at first from the netinstall, but had to downgrade later |
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| 15:00.08 | Marcum18D | bob2: that's what I was getting at, I was trying to figure out exactly what I needed to setup. |
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| 15:00.23 | DaMonk | ircops allright... gonna try it out... debian is way to easy... gentoo is quite hard and it requires a lot of time |
| 15:00.48 | ofuscado | plz i need help -> http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=8638 |
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| 15:01.00 | ircops | DaMonk: wait a minute |
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| 15:01.12 | DaMonk | ircops okay...? |
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| 15:01.16 | ircops | DaMonk: lemme check something out real quick, I think I could be wrong... *reads webpage* |
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| 15:01.26 | valdyn | ofuscado: does #debian look like a c/c++ support channel? |
| 15:01.36 | DaMonk | ircops sure... gonna download the iso first anyway |
| 15:01.59 | ofuscado | valdyn, i tought i was on another channel |
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| 15:02.06 | ircops | DaMonk: okay |
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| 15:02.22 | DaMonk | ircops 14 mins left... |
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| 15:02.32 | morden | anyone can help me with mepis? |
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| 15:02.48 | stew | morden: #mepis |
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| 15:02.51 | morden | thx |
| 15:03.02 | DaMonk | !mepis |
| 15:03.02 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
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| 15:03.25 | DaMonk | dpkg is a nice bot :) |
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| 15:03.35 | bob2 | mepis is very much in the "not our problem" box |
| 15:03.46 | ircops | DaMonk: you want http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 15:04.22 | DaMonk | ircops so thats etch... and the one that worked fine for you? |
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| 15:04.38 | ircops | DaMonk: read this and you'll see what I mean http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 15:04.48 | morden | I also had a look at debian but KDE just gives me a strange screen |
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| 15:05.17 | DaMonk | ircops checking it out.... |
| 15:05.19 | ircops | k |
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| 15:05.45 | jass | if I get an error like this: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0, could that mean that the script i'm running requires graphical user interface, or am I gettin it wrong? |
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| 15:05.53 | bob2 | morden: well, if you decide to give it a go, come back here |
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| 15:05.54 | hogmeat | folks i used lufs to mount ftpfs, and discovered it didnt work well with cvs repository file i/o.. not being able to create files, close files, etc. anyone have a solution? |
| 15:05.56 | bob2 | morden: until then, #mepis |
| 15:06.05 | bob2 | jass: what are you running? |
| 15:06.26 | jass | bob2: wolfenstein enemy territories dedicated server |
| 15:06.29 | bob2 | haha |
| 15:06.31 | morden | bob2 - well, I d prefer debian |
| 15:06.37 | bob2 | jass: install libgtk1.2 |
| 15:06.42 | bob2 | morden: great, then install it |
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| 15:06.48 | bob2 | morden: if you're using mepis, tho, you need to go to #mepis |
| 15:06.53 | morden | however if i cant get kde to run properly theres no use for me |
| 15:07.10 | valdyn | !smart questions |
| 15:07.10 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 15:07.11 | bob2 | well, that's great |
| 15:07.16 | jjazz | morden: getting KDE to run on debian is pretty easy these days |
| 15:07.17 | bob2 | #mepis it is then, good luck |
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| 15:07.27 | DeVeRaS | yellow. I haven't played with debian for a whille now, but i belive the stable is sarge yes? I wan't to install it in a i386 to make it my own webserver with apache, mysql and PHP. is this where i can get it http://ftp.caliu.info/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:07.32 | bob2 | I'd think morden's real problem is the lack of X being setup |
| 15:07.41 | DeVeRaS | will cd 1 be suficiente to do it? |
| 15:07.44 | bob2 | and the fact he's leading the armies of darkness against the EA |
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| 15:07.45 | valdyn | !d-i DeVeRaS |
| 15:07.47 | dpkg | DeVeRaS, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:07.53 | morden | well, the screen just was sort of grey and white with strange lines |
| 15:07.53 | DaMonk | ircops think that's the version I've just used... just gonna do some md5sum checking to see... |
| 15:07.57 | jjazz | morden: My only suggestion is if you have a working xorg.conf from mepis, save it and then use it when you install debian |
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| 15:08.04 | ircops | okay |
| 15:08.13 | DeVeRaS | valdyn i have limit internation dowload :) |
| 15:08.16 | jass | bob2: installed it, now it gives me a new error: ./setup.sh: line 278: 15205 Segmentation fault "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL |
| 15:08.17 | jass | The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1 |
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| 15:08.44 | morden | thx jjayy I ll try that |
| 15:08.47 | damiaan | I'm on a linux-cluster using debian, without root access. how do I use apt-get to install packages in my home-directory. or do I have to compile by hand? |
| 15:08.50 | DeVeRaS | valdyn will cd1 be suficiente? |
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| 15:09.19 | valdyn | DeVeRaS: just the sarge netinstall iso is sufficient |
| 15:09.29 | bob2 | jass: time to talk to Id or whoever wrote it, no one else can fix it |
| 15:09.33 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.43 | DaMonk | ircops naah... the one I had was another one, the md5sum didn't match... gonna download the one you linked to |
| 15:09.45 | lesshaste | is there a website for that kind of info? |
| 15:09.56 | valdyn | DeVeRaS: getting just first CD is alright too, contains most of the software ( if not all ), that you need |
| 15:10.00 | stew | DeVeRaS: yes, as long as you can get the machine on the network with the 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 kernels |
| 15:10.00 | jass | bob2: thanks anyway |
| 15:10.03 | bob2 | lesshaste: afaik no one has useful distro states like that |
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| 15:10.26 | DeVeRaS | stew why is that? |
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| 15:10.28 | DeVeRaS | valdyn tanks |
| 15:10.29 | bob2 | damiaan: you can certainly use dpkg-deb -x to unpack debs into your homedir, but apt will not work without hackery |
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| 15:10.42 | ircops | DaMonk: okay. |
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| 15:10.54 | stew | DeVeRaS: well if you need software that is not on the first cd, you will need to get it off the net |
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| 15:11.11 | DeVeRaS | stew just to make it a small server |
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| 15:11.20 | DeVeRaS | it's for a friend that wan't a small forum |
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| 15:11.26 | damiaan | bob2: thanks, i'll try that |
| 15:11.33 | DaMonk | ircops would you recommend more than /boot, /home, / and swap partitions? |
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| 15:11.38 | dumezil | how do i make the search part of /etc/resolv.conf always be the same if my machine is a dhcp client? i looked in 'man dhcp-options' but didn't see anything about a search domain |
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| 15:11.48 | ircops | DaMonk: do you have a ton of mp3s? |
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| 15:11.58 | lesshaste | bob2: ak .. shame |
| 15:11.58 | stew | DeVeRaS: for instance, php4 is not on cd1 |
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| 15:12.08 | mik3 | hello i'm trying to install debian and for some reason the cdrom won't start the booting, is there a bootable floppy or something around? freebsd keeps intercepting and booting |
| 15:12.11 | DaMonk | ircops on my workstation the debian is for my laptop |
| 15:12.17 | DeVeRaS | stew damn... is on witch one? |
| 15:12.21 | stew | DeVeRaS: nor is apache |
| 15:12.27 | DeVeRaS | damnnnnn |
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| 15:12.31 | stew | DeVeRaS: php4 is on 3 as is apache, apache2 is on 7 |
| 15:12.44 | dumezil | mik3: can you check your bios to make sure cdrom booting is enabled? |
| 15:12.44 | DeVeRaS | apt-get is on cd1? |
| 15:12.49 | stew | DeVeRaS: but. if you can get the machine on the net with the stock kernel's than all that doesn't matter |
| 15:12.51 | ircops | DaMonk: then /boot, /home, /, and swap should be fine, unless you want to make a /mnt/music partition for mp3s (which is what I have) |
| 15:12.52 | stew | DeVeRaS: yes |
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| 15:13.00 | mik3 | the first boot device is set for cdrom |
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| 15:13.22 | dumezil | mik3: what cd are you trying to boot from? |
| 15:13.25 | DaMonk | ircops it is good to make a 100+ mb boot partition to work around with some kernels, right? |
| 15:13.33 | DeVeRaS | stew i will try to configure it do connect to my FC3 by network |
| 15:13.35 | mik3 | a debian iso i burned |
| 15:13.42 | dumezil | mik3: where |
| 15:13.43 | DeVeRaS | then apt-get the pakages from there |
| 15:13.46 | dumezil | 'd you get the iso? |
| 15:13.51 | mik3 | it has an inf file, an autoboot file |
| 15:13.53 | mik3 | debian.org |
| 15:13.53 | DeVeRaS | later i have a router to configurate access to it |
| 15:14.02 | stew | DeVeRaS: you should be able to apt-get packages without the FC3 box |
| 15:14.19 | DeVeRaS | stew i have no moden for it |
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| 15:14.35 | dumezil | mik3: i would recommend getting a netboot cd (its only about 100mb) and booting from that and only downloading the packages you need |
| 15:14.42 | kieelenj | <kieelenj> i went into fdisk and now im stuck |
| 15:14.43 | kieelenj | <kieelenj> with a Command (m for help): prompt |
| 15:14.43 | kieelenj | <kieelenj> how do I get out of this |
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| 15:14.56 | DaMonk | q |
| 15:15.04 | ircops | DaMonk: it depends on how many kernels you want to be able to boot into... I have 75mb that works wonderfully... I have three separate kernels that I can boot from at any time, with room for more... if you have lots of space, tho, 100 is fine... |
| 15:15.12 | kieelenj | oh yeah, cheers |
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| 15:15.25 | absolutzero | why does KDE take longer to auery the apt-cache than gnome? |
| 15:15.29 | elirips | hello. anyoneone get an idea when security.d.o should be back working? i can't downloa more than around 80%.. then its stuck and i only get timeouts.. |
| 15:15.48 | DaMonk | ircops lots a space, so I wont be saving on it, so 100 it is... |
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| 15:15.56 | stew | elirips: it is working now. its just slow. it will be faster when not so many people are hitting it... |
| 15:15.58 | DeVeRaS | stew thanks |
| 15:15.58 | ircops | :) |
| 15:15.59 | dumezil | it worked for me today |
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| 15:16.28 | mik3 | dumezil : i appreciate your suggestion but my point is for some reason the cdrom won't boot |
| 15:16.33 | flowtron | talking about security.debian.org? |
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| 15:16.55 | jjazz | mik3: BIOS settings? |
| 15:16.55 | bisquit | Ok, umm... I have debian, right. And I went and pop'ed my mail from my debian box. Which was nice. Worked and stuff. Except... eventhough my client (Thunderbird, should it matter) was set to Keep mail in the server... the mail appears to be gone. From the deb-box. |
| 15:16.59 | yang | I got debian package cgiirc, but I have troubles connecting to a local server... |
| 15:17.03 | mik3 | they should be fine heh |
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| 15:17.19 | jjazz | mik3: Can you boot with other CDs? |
| 15:17.24 | flowtron | Any known problems with security.debian.org? |
| 15:17.27 | bisquit | Now I'd like to configure my... umm... pop3-daemon or what not, or see it that is the source of this.. phenomenonen.. but how on earth do I know which one of thems I have? |
| 15:17.29 | mik3 | not since i installed freebsd |
| 15:17.30 | elirips | stew: do you know why it was offline yesterday and so slow today? |
| 15:17.32 | dumezil | mik3: well you can get old boot floppies... and then upgrade to more recent versions of things |
| 15:17.37 | ircops | flowtron: topic |
| 15:17.40 | quiet | flowtron, /topic |
| 15:17.41 | jjazz | flowtron: see /topic |
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| 15:17.46 | ircops | lol |
| 15:17.49 | bob2 | bisquit: your pop3 daemon does not care |
| 15:17.52 | ircops | we're all over the topic-slappin |
| 15:17.59 | absolutzero | though KDE in general runs faster on Debian than it did Knoppix |
| 15:18.02 | absolutzero | not sure why |
| 15:18.06 | bob2 | bisquit: it is almost certainly thunderbird being shit |
| 15:18.10 | flowtron | thanks - I DID look ... overlooked ... to hectic - sorry ... |
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| 15:18.21 | quiet | I just commented it out until it gets fixed |
| 15:18.31 | bisquit | bob2, really? :D Ok then... |
| 15:18.39 | absolutzero | wow... conserverd disk space better too... and I installed more stuff |
| 15:18.43 | mik3 | i have freebsd automaicly booting all the time how can i stop it and make my system boot from cd |
| 15:18.46 | elirips | ouwh, and another question: as it is now going to upgrade some parts of x-window-system, dpkg wants to configure my x again.. how can i quit the "Debian Configuration" for configuring xserver-xfree86? |
| 15:19.03 | valdyn | mik3: that's a bios setting |
| 15:19.06 | dumezil | mik3: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 15:19.21 | dumezil | how do i make the search part of /etc/resolv.conf always be the same if my machine is a dhcp client? i looked in 'man dhcp-options' but didn't see anything about a search domain |
| 15:19.52 | alej00d | sources-list to get ipw2100 to work under 2.6.13 kernel? or any related ideas to do the trick in DEBIAN |
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| 15:20.03 | ircops | dumezil: I don't even use a search line |
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| 15:20.12 | bob2 | dumezil: I've been trying to figure out the same this evening |
| 15:20.13 | bob2 | no luck |
| 15:20.22 | ircops | hm |
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| 15:20.44 | dumezil | i want to be able to say ssh hostname. not ssh hostname.domainname |
| 15:20.51 | ircops | ah |
| 15:21.10 | jjazz | dumezil: /etc/hosts? Not exactly elegant, but... |
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| 15:22.06 | ghtyuu | hello, im a novice and I have debian installed here at the office. It will be used for file sharing. It has two 250gb hard drives for data. Everyweek files will be trnasferred from the macs (graphics) to the server to be backed up onto DVD. What is the best way to set this up. eg. LVM etc.? |
| 15:22.06 | althaser | hellow |
| 15:22.19 | althaser | where I must add the dns nameserver ? please |
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| 15:22.27 | valdyn | dumezil: you could edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head if you use resolvconf |
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| 15:23.00 | absolutzero | also. I am installing mozilla-firefox and i want to remove mozilla... what is the best way to do that? |
| 15:23.11 | ghtyuu | I suppose samba anyways for the file sharing |
| 15:23.13 | adjacent | dumezil: add "search domain" to the top of resolv.conf |
| 15:23.28 | ghtyuu | for i want the two drives to look like one |
| 15:23.29 | dumezil | lol i did that, but i rebooted and dhclient erased it |
| 15:23.46 | adjacent | dumezil: then edit dhclient's conf ;) |
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| 15:23.50 | dumezil | valdyn: what do you mean? i don't have a /etc/resolvconf directory |
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| 15:24.07 | valdyn | dumezil: then you're not using resolvconf.. |
| 15:24.12 | dumezil | adjacent: thats what ive been looking for, but there is no dhcp option for a search domain |
| 15:24.15 | Cabeleraaa | aaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 15:24.37 | dumezil | valdyn: what is resolvconf and why would i want to use it? |
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| 15:24.59 | valdyn | dumezil: apt-cache show resolvconf |
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| 15:25.21 | adjacent | dumezil: its right there... |
| 15:25.23 | valdyn | dumezil: i didnt mean that you should use it, just if you were using it you could alter that file.. |
| 15:25.41 | ghtyuu | for doing this what is the correct package... lvm-common, lvm10 or lvm2? |
| 15:25.58 | adjacent | dumezil: in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf use "supersede domain-name "fugue.com home.vix.com"; request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, domain-name-servers, host-name, netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope;" |
| 15:26.09 | towy71 | how can I get Volume Control to switch on the microphone by default? |
| 15:26.23 | valdyn | ghtyuu: just merging 2 disk as I think you are planning to is a bad idea.. |
| 15:26.39 | ghtyuu | why is that? |
| 15:27.55 | ghtyuu | it would make life much easier for searching the archives |
| 15:27.56 | absolutzero | do you guys prefer Kpackage or Synaptic? |
| 15:28.12 | Mr_Morden | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.18 | ghtyuu | from remote computers id imagine? |
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| 15:28.27 | valdyn | ghtyuu: and it would double the risk if both disks breaking at once |
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| 15:29.13 | quiet | absolutzero, i prefer CLI :) but probably synaptic is the best supported. |
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| 15:30.00 | absolutzero | CLI stands for? |
| 15:30.11 | towy71 | command line |
| 15:30.15 | absolutzero | lol |
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| 15:30.21 | absolutzero | I call it "console" |
| 15:30.22 | thingfish | command line interface |
| 15:30.36 | absolutzero | ahhh nifty new phrase for me to use |
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| 15:30.52 | towy71 | how can I get Volume Control to switch on the microphone by default? |
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| 15:30.59 | absolutzero | yeah I use good ol apt-get when I KNOW what package i am installing |
| 15:31.28 | absolutzero | is apt-cache search "word" the command to search for packages? |
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| 15:31.34 | resiak | absolutzero: man apt-cache ! |
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| 15:32.20 | absolutzero | This is actually the longest I have used the GUI on this box since I installed debian |
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| 15:34.43 | Scognito | hi |
| 15:35.13 | Mitzi | hi |
| 15:35.29 | lakcaj | !tell Scognito hi |
| 15:35.29 | Scognito | i've installed linux 2.6 from apt, but cannot get nvidia kernel to start, since they are for 2.4.x series...how can i get nvidia working on 2.6? |
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| 15:35.38 | lakcaj | !tell Scognito about hi |
| 15:35.39 | lakcaj | ? |
| 15:35.52 | Scognito | hahah lakcaj ok...hello |
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| 15:36.36 | jass | exit |
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| 15:36.42 | jass | oops |
| 15:36.51 | EdgEy | !tell Scognito about nvidia-howto |
| 15:37.11 | EdgEy | it says sarge/etch but i used that to install on sid so meh |
| 15:37.24 | Scognito | EdgEy, going to see...thank you |
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| 15:37.53 | Mitzi | he an iVaNCker alright |
| 15:38.02 | wdamn | Hi, is there a way to substitute a word in many files in a time? |
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| 15:39.05 | Scognito | !tell wdamn about hi |
| 15:39.10 | Scognito | :) |
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| 15:39.22 | caoilte | hi, is there any reason why i might only see the first 5gig of a 75gig RAID array i've setup? |
| 15:39.26 | jjazz | Is it possible to set up a user account under more than one name? I have user foo, but I want foo to be able to log in as bar (and be foo once the login is complete). |
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| 15:39.36 | petemc | wdamn: find . -type f -print0 |xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's/foobarbaz/bleh/' |
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| 15:40.27 | Malorer | acabei de bixar o Debian BR CDD... alguem pode me falar como devo proceder para iinstalar ? |
| 15:40.40 | olohoyo_ | Scognito: you'll need nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 15:40.56 | jjazz | !pr |
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| 15:42.20 | olohoyo_ | jjazz: you can use the same ID for 2 or more users |
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| 15:42.34 | Scognito | olohoyo_, thanks i'm trying to do as the howto says...hoping for the best |
| 15:42.35 | Scognito | :) |
| 15:42.36 | jjazz | olohoyo_: I want to do the opposite... 2 ids for one user |
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| 15:43.29 | olohoyo_ | Scognito: not that easy first time. Good luck |
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| 15:44.11 | Malorer | I finished to lower debian br cdd, somebody can teach me to install ? |
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| 15:44.29 | olohoyo_ | jjazz : don't think it's possible. Just try: it shouldn't hurt |
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| 15:45.03 | hyksos | hi, when i try to join #java i get: you need to be identified back, what does that mean? |
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| 15:45.13 | OKOX | hello, i want that apt-get only download at 20kb/s speed rate , does anybody how can i do this ? |
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| 15:45.23 | Scognito | tnx |
| 15:45.26 | Scognito | reboot |
| 15:45.28 | mosty | jjazz, why? |
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| 15:45.36 | olohoyo_ | jjazz: sorry but... you said you want "bar" to login and become "foo". You want only one account, right? |
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| 15:45.56 | lakcaj | !tell hyksos about register your nickname |
| 15:45.56 | jjazz | olohoyo_: yes |
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| 15:46.23 | hyksos | someone knows how to cast an integer in java? i want label.setText(i); where i is an increment integer? |
| 15:46.36 | resiak | #java mught do |
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| 15:46.48 | Pitr__ | int = Integer.parseInt(string) |
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| 15:46.57 | peterrooney | jjazz: been a while since i read the man pages, but etc/passwd allows two entries to share the same UID and have different names. |
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| 15:47.00 | hyksos | resiak :there i cant join, because of no identifying, dont know what that means |
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| 15:47.06 | Mitzi | hyksos: you need to register your nick |
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| 15:47.08 | resiak | hyksos: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:47.14 | Pitr__ | or, label.setText(new String(i)) or label.setText(i + "") |
| 15:47.15 | hyksos | Mitzi :why? |
| 15:47.17 | jjazz | peterrooney: Thanks. That's the clue I need. I'll look there. |
| 15:47.21 | resiak | hyksos: /msg nickserv help |
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| 15:47.26 | Mitzi | so you can join #java? |
| 15:47.26 | olohoyo_ | jazz; on account = on uid |
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| 15:47.29 | resiak | How many times will I have to do this? |
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| 15:47.40 | Malorer | I finished to lower debian br cdd, somebody can teach me to install ? |
| 15:47.43 | resiak | !br |
| 15:47.43 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 15:48.04 | wan_ | i saw something weird in my /var/log/auth.log |
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| 15:48.24 | olohoyo_ | jjazz: s/on/one/ |
| 15:48.26 | wan_ | it full of somthing like these lines... |
| 15:48.28 | wan_ | Sep 20 23:09:01 localhost CRON[27426]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 15:48.29 | wan_ | Sep 20 23:09:01 localhost CRON[27426]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root |
| 15:48.29 | wan_ | Sep 20 23:17:01 localhost CRON[27428]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 15:48.29 | wan_ | Sep 20 23:17:01 localhost CRON[27428]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root |
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| 15:48.42 | wan_ | what's wrong? |
| 15:48.46 | stew | !tell wan_ about flood |
| 15:48.54 | jjazz | olohoyo_: Can one account and one id be accessed by more than one username? |
| 15:48.54 | resiak | wan_: That's you becoming root then leaving that shell. |
| 15:49.06 | stew | no, thats crontab |
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| 15:49.11 | Scognito | cool |
| 15:49.14 | Scognito | it worked |
| 15:49.15 | Scognito | :D |
| 15:49.18 | Scognito | tnx a lot |
| 15:49.18 | resiak | Oh, of course. |
| 15:49.26 | peterrooney | jjazz: i remember it being one way to get rid of the 'root' login, to make remote breakins marginally less likely. you have to rename _all_ default users, though, to prevent pasword break leading to priviledge escalation. |
| 15:49.26 | wan_ | resiak: no nobody in the system |
| 15:49.34 | resiak | wan_: 16:49 stew : no, thats crontab |
| 15:49.47 | olohoyo_ | jjazz: yes, I use this to have a "troot" user (uid=0) which shell is tcsh eg. |
| 15:50.01 | jjazz | olohoyo_: cool. |
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| 15:50.03 | wan_ | crontab -l shows nothing |
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| 15:50.12 | resiak | wan_: /etc/cron.* ? |
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| 15:50.13 | stew | wan_: what about /etc/crontab /etc/cron.d |
| 15:50.20 | jjazz | peterrooney: yes, good thinking |
| 15:50.31 | wan_ | w8 |
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| 15:50.41 | stew | w9 |
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| 15:50.51 | abrotman | look .. a shiny! |
| 15:51.02 | humbraro | wan_: check out /etc/cron.daily/ |
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| 15:51.51 | wan_ | 09,39 * * * * root [ -d /var/lib/php4 ] && find /var/lib/php4/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php4/maxlifetime) -print0 | |
| 15:51.51 | Skaja | i dont know how to run apt-get on the base install of debian |
| 15:51.51 | wan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.21 | wan_ | there? |
| 15:52.22 | hyksos | label.setText(new String(i)) or label.setText(i + "") doesnt work |
| 15:52.39 | stew | wan_: that explains the first 2 lines |
| 15:52.41 | hyksos | do i need to import something |
| 15:52.43 | humbraro | wan_: those log entries are pam logging root opening a session to run cron jobs |
| 15:52.58 | wan_ | php4 is very annoying >: |
| 15:53.33 | Scognito | does someone uses grub with a splashcreen instead of the menu? |
| 15:53.34 | wan_ | can i remove that php4 cron job? |
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| 15:53.48 | stew | wan_: why do you want to? |
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| 15:53.56 | dumezil | can anyone think of a reason webmin wouldn't see two harddrives that are on a promise ide controller, but see the hard drive that is on the motherboard ide controller? webmin just doesn't even know they are there |
| 15:53.59 | olohoyo_ | wan_: cron jobs are annoying. Disable cron :-) |
| 15:54.14 | stew | wan_: you don't want to time out php4 sessions anymore? |
| 15:54.19 | lakcaj | !webmin |
| 15:54.19 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 15:54.20 | bob2 | why does webmin care about hard disks? |
| 15:54.28 | Skaja | what is the command for apt-get |
| 15:54.37 | stew | Skaja: "apt-get" |
| 15:54.40 | wan_ | heh |
| 15:54.48 | lakcaj | Skaja, google for some info... use some initiative man |
| 15:54.51 | wan_ | ok i will remove both ;) |
| 15:54.58 | stew | wan_: remove what? |
| 15:55.05 | stew | wan_: you don't want to remove that cron job |
| 15:55.05 | thingfish | or read a man page, maybe. |
| 15:55.08 | wan_ | thanks guys |
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| 15:55.24 | stew | wan_: and you certainly don't want to remove cron |
| 15:55.51 | Skaja | i typed in apt-get and i get some more commands |
| 15:56.05 | stew | wan_: olohoyo_ was joking when he said remove cron |
| 15:56.13 | stew | !faq Skaja |
| 15:56.15 | dpkg | Skaja: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:56.30 | lakcaj | Skaja, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=apt+%7Etutorial&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 15:57.25 | olohoyo_ | stew: Oops, was a bad joke? |
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| 15:57.26 | wan_ | yeah stew... but im gonna -purge php4 anyway... no more use in my server right now |
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| 15:57.44 | noble- | kill -9 whiskeybuzz |
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| 15:57.49 | noble- | mmhmm |
| 15:57.49 | wan_ | i know it was a joke ;> |
| 15:57.49 | stew | wan_: then purge php4. don't mess with cron |
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| 15:57.59 | wan_ | okie |
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| 15:58.51 | groogs | in cron, what day is monday? |
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| 15:59.26 | Skaja | what is on the first iso dvd debian 3.1 |
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| 16:00.29 | fredric | hi.. I just installed debian today, and I was wondering if I could get some help with a couple of things... |
| 16:00.33 | EdgEy | Skaja, quite a lot of things |
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| 16:00.50 | EdgEy | try apt-cache search (whatever) to see if what you want is there |
| 16:00.51 | Ronin | fredric: best just to say the problem/question |
| 16:00.59 | thingfish | fredric: ask away - if someone can help, they'll speak up. |
| 16:01.01 | jjazz | groogs: 1 |
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| 16:01.05 | wan_ | groogs: day of week 0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) |
| 16:01.11 | groogs | thanks |
| 16:01.18 | Skaja | i just installed debian now i cant get my dvd iso 1 to work now |
| 16:01.28 | azeem | Skaja: apt-cdrom add |
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| 16:01.36 | azeem | did you do that already? |
| 16:01.53 | Skaja | nope |
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| 16:02.01 | fredric | ok.. I have a Acer TravelMate 2350 with Intel 855 chipset.. I can't get the resolution higher then 800x600.. How do I get it to 1024x768? |
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| 16:02.52 | abrotman | i810 no workie? |
| 16:02.59 | rdz | hi all. can somebody point me to a howto about getting and installing the needed modules to make usb-storage devices work with debian? thank you |
| 16:03.10 | outlaw84 | I got xfree86 graphics server now and I am upgrading to xorg. wants to completely remove the following libs freeglut3-dev glutg3-dev libglui-dev libglut3-dev libqt3-mt-dev qt3-apps-dev xlibmesa-glu xlibmesa-glu-dev is it safe to continue? |
| 16:03.13 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
| 16:03.13 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 16:03.30 | mosty | outlaw84, it's safe if you don't use those packages |
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| 16:03.50 | outlaw84 | mosty: how do I know if the system uses them or not? |
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| 16:04.01 | Lilldude | vpn for file tranfers |
| 16:04.12 | Lilldude | what is good down load |
| 16:04.34 | EdgEy | outlaw write em down and if you get problems later reinstall them |
| 16:04.35 | EdgEy | ;) |
| 16:04.39 | mosty | outlaw84, if any package that depended on them existed, it would be removed too. i said it *you* don't use those pacakges, it's safe to continue |
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| 16:04.49 | thingfish | fredric: support for onboard devices (especially audio and display) is iffy in any distro. You can try doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to re- setup display, but don't know if it will help. |
| 16:04.50 | peterrooney | outlaw84: apt-get --recon --purge [packages] will tell you what you need to know |
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| 16:05.23 | rdz | abrotman, thank you |
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| 16:05.37 | thingfish | fredric: if that doesn't help, you might try getting xorg from etch. |
| 16:05.48 | fredric | thingfish, thnx I'll give it a go.. |
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| 16:06.40 | outlaw84 | mosty: so they wont mess up kde and stuff? |
| 16:06.48 | outlaw84 | skip stuff :) |
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| 16:07.17 | mosty | outlaw84, write down the package names- if something messes up just reinstall them |
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| 16:08.16 | valdyn | outlaw84: obviously there is not package named "kde" in that list of packages to be removed, so kde wont be "messed up" |
| 16:08.17 | Skaja | i want to reinstall debian with kernel 2.6 the dvd locks up |
| 16:08.19 | pablob | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.25 | pablob | BUS="usb", KERNEL="sd?", SYSFS{model}=="MK2004GAL ", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="mp3player" |
| 16:08.37 | pablob | and it doesnt work. any ideas? |
| 16:09.11 | outlaw84 | Yea thanks then I just wanted to make sure.. |
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| 16:10.53 | Agente_Mulder | hi how i burn 7BG dvd in 4.7 in debian |
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| 16:11.25 | thingfish | you use 2 dvds. |
| 16:11.27 | vird2 | hello all |
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| 16:11.42 | Electron_ | hi, how do I talk to someone on my system that is loged on ssh? |
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| 16:11.50 | vird2 | i am having trouble sharing a ppp connection between two computers |
| 16:11.54 | pablob | Electron_: write |
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| 16:12.18 | pablob | Electron_: man 1 write |
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| 16:12.55 | vird2 | I have already setup iptables and crossover cable. both of the machines can't use internet at the same time ... how do i fix this ? |
| 16:13.18 | luite | is it possible to list alle installed packages ordered by size (installed size)? |
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| 16:13.47 | Electron_ | is talk easyer? |
| 16:13.49 | Electron_ | or ytalk |
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| 16:15.17 | mosty | vird: did you setup NAT? |
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| 16:15.22 | dumezil | anyone good with linux volume management? im adding a hard drive to my system and i want to make it part of the same volume group and logical volume as an existing vg and lv. ive made the physical volume and added it to the vg, but when i try to lvextend, it says it can't find the device. |
| 16:15.26 | zaphy | Hello |
| 16:15.55 | pablob | Electron_: probably. write is so low level |
| 16:15.59 | dumezil | im trying the command lvextend -r -L30620 -t /dev/mapper/main-home and it complains of "volume group mapper does not exist" |
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| 16:16.55 | Electron_ | pablob please explain? |
| 16:16.55 | Electron_ | low level |
| 16:16.57 | dumezil | and mount shows "/dev/mapper/main-home on /home type ext3 (rw)" as my volume name |
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| 16:17.05 | resiak | dumezil: Wrong version of lvm? |
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| 16:17.31 | Skaja | what is the best place in us to get debian cds/dvds |
| 16:17.37 | pablob | Electron_: with write you have to specify user AND the tty the user is using (man who) |
| 16:17.46 | dhn- | how do I unpack this AdbeRdr701_linux_enu.tar.gz |
| 16:17.47 | dumezil | resiak: no don't think so... i made the lvm when i was installing debian and now im trying to extend it... |
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| 16:17.54 | pablob | Electron_: talk and ytalk, I dont know, as I have never used them |
| 16:17.57 | dumezil | what version of lvm does the debian installer use? |
| 16:18.06 | ircops | ahhhh... chinese food... yummy |
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| 16:18.26 | resiak | dumezil: I see |
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| 16:19.05 | Electron_ | pablob so say the putty shhed to me, what tty would that be? |
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| 16:19.44 | dumezil | dhn-: tar -xzvf AdbeRdr701_linux_enu.tar.gz |
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| 16:20.28 | dhn- | thanks |
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| 16:21.08 | pablob | Electron_: use 'who' to obtain a list of users and the ttys they are logged with |
| 16:21.14 | leOn | guys, i've found out i can set my keyboard correctly by issuing setkbmap on the command line ... looks like my gnome session is using xkb. how can i enable that? |
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| 16:21.56 | leOn | s/is/isn't/ |
| 16:22.03 | Flendor | Can someone point me to a kernel upgrade FAQ? I'm googling, but I see old pages.. |
| 16:22.30 | Electron_ | thanks |
| 16:22.46 | ircops | Flendor: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html |
| 16:22.53 | Flendor | Thank you, ircops. |
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| 16:23.30 | ircops | You are welcome, Flendor. :) |
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| 16:23.51 | Electron_ | okay so, say the user is brodie and tty is pts/2 how do I talk to them> |
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| 16:23.53 | Electron_ | ? |
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| 16:26.53 | rdz | !usb-storage |
| 16:26.53 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 16:28.48 | dumezil | damn dpkg is awesome! |
| 16:28.50 | kokkoo | hi ive installed a hpt302 raid controller, running debian sarge, where can i find those drives? :) |
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| 16:30.00 | rdz | dumezil, sorry...... |
| 16:30.05 | kokkoo | never mind :P |
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| 16:30.12 | E-bola | Can anybody recomend a firewire800 controller that works in debian? |
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| 16:31.25 | noskfjord | okay so, say the user is brodie and tty is pts/2 how do I talk to them using write? |
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| 16:32.39 | kokkoo | geez, i get the hdds in dmesg but i cannot find them in any /dev/.... please advice |
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| 16:33.46 | ke6isf | kokkoo: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:34.00 | kokkoo | ke6isf : sarge. |
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| 16:34.14 | ke6isf | kokkoo: Are you running anything like udev or devfs? |
| 16:34.22 | garo | How can i change sarge into etch ? |
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| 16:34.32 | ke6isf | !tell garo -about dist-upgrade |
| 16:34.37 | ke6isf | !tell garo -about iyhtays |
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| 16:34.46 | kokkoo | ke6isf : not that i now.. i can see tempfs but thats it |
| 16:34.47 | garo | thanks |
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| 16:35.08 | ke6isf | kokkoo: devfs/udev isn't related, I don't think. |
| 16:35.36 | ke6isf | kokkoo: What does 'mount' say is available, and what disks are missing? Post output of 'mount' to #flood. |
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| 16:37.08 | chiney | test |
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| 16:37.12 | kokkoo | ke6isf :just plain silly irc client... but u got it right? |
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| 16:37.28 | ke6isf | kokkoo: Yeah, I'm looking at it. |
| 16:37.30 | chiney | first time |
| 16:37.40 | ke6isf | !test chiney |
| 16:37.42 | dpkg | Testing chiney... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ |
| 16:37.42 | chiney | hi |
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| 16:37.53 | vird2 | hello all |
| 16:37.55 | kokkoo | i can spam the dmesg aswell if you want |
| 16:38.04 | kokkoo | ke6isf : i can spam the dmesg aswell if you want |
| 16:38.19 | ke6isf | kokkoo: Well, they're mounted. Go ahead and post the dmesg as well. |
| 16:39.01 | kokkoo | ke6isf : the two last hdds are not mounted. i cant find them in /dev/hdi or j... |
| 16:39.40 | vird2 | I am having trouble sharing my ppp connection between two systems. I have already setup iptables and i can access internet connection from both the gateway and the client (via a crossover cable no-network network ) But i can use only one machine at a time to access the internet .... |
| 16:39.46 | ircops | hey what's the dpkg trigger to get info about etch xf86-->xorg |
| 16:39.46 | vird2 | what am i doing wrong ? |
| 16:39.48 | ircops | ? |
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| 16:40.26 | ke6isf | kokkoo: /dev/hdi would be a device. |
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| 16:40.48 | ke6isf | kokkoo: Are those devices not present? |
| 16:41.00 | kokkoo | ke6isf : look in #flood |
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| 16:41.22 | kokkoo | ke6isf : they are connected and are present. they are hdd number 9 and 10. |
| 16:41.24 | ke6isf | kokkoo: Yes, but are they not present at all over in /dev? |
| 16:41.43 | kokkoo | ke6isf : correct. not that i can see. |
| 16:41.48 | ke6isf | kokkoo: Do 'ls /dev/hd?'. |
| 16:42.09 | ke6isf | kokkoo: I wanna see what you have going. Important thing, how many IDE busses do you have in this system? |
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| 16:42.49 | kokkoo | ke6isf : hmm 2 onboard and two more controllers added. |
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| 16:43.30 | ke6isf | kokkoo: I could be wrong, but I think IDE only allows a total of eight devices. |
| 16:43.52 | kokkoo | ke6isf : that i dont know.. |
| 16:44.08 | kh_ | nope it doesnt, ide can do more |
| 16:44.13 | kokkoo | ke6isf : but the funny thing is that it shows up in dmesg so.. |
| 16:44.15 | ke6isf | kh_: Ah, thank you. |
| 16:44.20 | kh_ | take a look at /proc/partitions |
| 16:44.27 | noskfjord | How do I boot a user off my system that is using ssh? |
| 16:44.28 | kh_ | if the devices are detected there |
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| 16:44.34 | absolutzero | hmm |
| 16:44.46 | kokkoo | kh_ : its there yes |
| 16:44.49 | ke6isf | noskfjord: Find the ssh process belonging to them, and kill -HUP the damn thing. |
| 16:44.52 | noskfjord | like log them out |
| 16:45.00 | noskfjord | oka |
| 16:45.00 | kh_ | then maybe de device files are missing in /dev ? |
| 16:45.02 | absolutzero | I want to add the metcity windows managers to the KDM session list, how would I do that? |
| 16:45.14 | kokkoo | kh_ : beats me... |
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| 16:45.21 | ke6isf | kh_: Good point, they won't be automatically created, will they? |
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| 16:45.42 | kokkoo | so i have to manually create them i guess ? |
| 16:45.50 | kh_ | depdends, ive had something similar to that, where just the device files werent created |
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| 16:45.54 | kh_ | yes |
| 16:46.02 | ke6isf | I don't know how to do that. I've created maybe one device ever, and that was a while back for something weird. |
| 16:46.04 | kh_ | you can lookup the minor and minor number from /proc/partitions |
| 16:46.17 | kh_ | *major and minor |
| 16:46.24 | kokkoo | i had to do a similar thing some time ago with a tvcard and sound.. but i cannot remember |
| 16:46.30 | stew | are we sure he's not using udev or devfs? |
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| 16:46.43 | ke6isf | stew: Come to think of it, no. |
| 16:46.55 | stew | kokkoo: does "dpkg -l udev" spit out a line that starts with "ii" ? |
| 16:47.23 | kokkoo | stew : starts with pn... |
| 16:47.42 | kh_ | kokkoo: mknod /dev/hdi b 56 0 |
| 16:47.46 | kh_ | kokkoo: mknod /dev/hdj b 56 64 |
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| 16:48.03 | kokkoo | kh_ : ok will try |
| 16:48.09 | furbsd | i'm installing debian |
| 16:48.11 | kh_ | and if you create partitions, you have to create these nodes aswell |
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| 16:48.22 | ke6isf | furbsd: Which version? |
| 16:48.39 | furbsd | debian base system |
| 16:48.50 | ke6isf | furbsd: That's a base system. Which version of Debian? |
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| 16:49.05 | kokkoo | kh_ : its done and im trying to run cfdisk on it. |
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| 16:49.22 | furbsd | debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 16:49.24 | furbsd | that's the cd |
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| 16:49.45 | furbsd | is this correct |
| 16:49.48 | kh_ | kokkoo: ok |
| 16:49.59 | ke6isf | Is 3.1r0a sarge or etch? =O.o= |
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| 16:50.07 | stew | ke6isf: sarge |
| 16:50.13 | ke6isf | stew: Sankyu |
| 16:50.18 | furbsd | you all using sarge or sid |
| 16:50.21 | stew | furbsd: yes |
| 16:50.25 | ke6isf | furbsd: Yes |
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| 16:50.28 | furbsd | you all using sarge or sid? |
| 16:50.32 | kokkoo | kh_ : look at the spam i got in dmesg, #flood |
| 16:50.32 | ke6isf | !polls |
| 16:50.33 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 16:50.35 | stew | furbsd: yes, and etch |
| 16:50.47 | resiak | furbsd: yes |
| 16:50.47 | furbsd | what's etch |
| 16:50.49 | absolutzero | eh? MetaCity isn't even a stand-alone windows manager, runs ontop of Gnome |
| 16:50.49 | resiak | !etch |
| 16:50.49 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 16:50.55 | resiak | absolutzero: It can be used as one |
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| 16:51.05 | furbsd | so which one should i use |
| 16:51.09 | noskfjord | Is there a way of giving a user enough access to compile but not as much as root? |
| 16:51.11 | ke6isf | furbsd: First time using Debian? |
| 16:51.12 | stew | furbsd: stable aka sarge |
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| 16:51.15 | tuv | truetype font packages are not working in testing.. does this have anything to do with using xorg instead of xfree86 |
| 16:51.16 | tuv | ? |
| 16:51.25 | furbsd | i used it long time ago and stopped using it for a couple years |
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| 16:51.28 | absolutzero | as far as I can tell resiak, it looks like Gnome |
| 16:51.36 | kokkoo | oi that was spammage |
| 16:51.40 | ke6isf | furbsd: Eh, just use Sarge. |
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| 16:51.48 | kokkoo | kh_ : did you get that? |
| 16:51.49 | absolutzero | http://xwinman.org/screenshots/metacity-rfd888.jpg |
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| 16:51.52 | kh_ | yes |
| 16:51.53 | resiak | absolutzero: Metacity is a wm ... you can use it however you want |
| 16:51.54 | ke6isf | furbsd: Stick with what you have. |
| 16:52.04 | tuv | installing msttcorefonts says: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/truetype does not exist |
| 16:52.07 | absolutzero | I want to add it to the sessions list on KDM |
| 16:52.11 | furbsd | but how can i enable this usb network device that works in bsd |
| 16:52.18 | absolutzero | but it is not appearing there |
| 16:52.18 | kh_ | kokkoo: do you have devices on this controller that are working ? |
| 16:52.24 | tuv | and it indeed does not exist.. which package should make that directory? |
| 16:52.25 | kh_ | maybe the driver is fucked up |
| 16:52.45 | absolutzero | I think I am gonna nix it |
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| 16:52.57 | kokkoo | kh_ : no, this is a new controller, and new hdds. but the hdds work 100%. same with the controller. |
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| 16:53.17 | kokkoo | kh_ : lspci in #flood |
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| 16:53.21 | tuv | this is a fresh install of testing and not an upgrade |
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| 16:53.36 | ke6isf | !tell tuv -about enter |
| 16:53.37 | kokkoo | kh_ : its identified properly i think |
| 16:53.49 | kh_ | hm |
| 16:53.50 | absolutzero | oh crap |
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| 16:54.19 | kokkoo | kh_ : its identified by the hpt3xx module |
| 16:54.25 | kh_ | ok |
| 16:54.33 | tuv | thanks ke6isf for the hint, i remember things after i finish the sentence. what can i say? |
| 16:54.36 | absolutzero | I used apt-get --purge remove metacity metacity-thtmes and it took gnome-core and gnome-desktop-envornment with it... |
| 16:54.38 | furbsd | so how can i enable this linksys usb network device |
| 16:54.46 | noskfjord | Is there a way of giving a user enough access to compile but not as much as root? |
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| 16:54.55 | borojer | hi, i'm trying to accss a newgroup from mozilla, but dont know where to add the server name ? please help |
| 16:54.56 | ke6isf | !tell furbsd -about ask |
| 16:55.00 | tuv | ke6isf, that still did not solve the issue, though. |
| 16:55.08 | ircops | absolutzero: apt tells you which packages it will remove before it does, maybe you should read that carefully |
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| 16:55.22 | furbsd | what you mean |
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| 16:55.34 | ircops | furbsd: read your messages |
| 16:55.36 | ke6isf | tuv: unfortunately, I don't know the answer. Might paste it all together a little while later and ask here and/or on the list. |
| 16:55.47 | absolutzero | It should not have removed Gnome |
| 16:55.54 | ke6isf | furbsd: First, ask a complete question, second, don't repeat it so often. |
| 16:55.56 | absolutzero | just those two packages |
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| 16:56.11 | furbsd | if i got answer i don't need to repeat |
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| 16:56.17 | BrUnO | hi |
| 16:56.20 | ke6isf | !repeat |
| 16:56.21 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:56.22 | furbsd | i don't like repeating myself |
| 16:56.22 | zygis | anyone tried setting apache with mysql authentication (i.e. like proftpd's mod_sql)? |
| 16:56.30 | ke6isf | furbsd: You don't need to repeat, period. |
| 16:56.38 | furbsd | don't give me chance to repeat |
| 16:56.52 | ke6isf | furbsd: Read. What. Dpkg. Said. |
| 16:57.48 | furbsd | hmm MTA is default to exim4? |
| 16:57.54 | borojer | hi, i'm trying to accss a newgroup from mozilla, but dont know where to add the server name ? please help |
| 16:57.57 | stew | furbsd: yes |
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| 16:58.08 | ircops | !rules |
| 16:58.08 | dpkg | methinks rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 16:58.10 | ke6isf | !tell borojer -about repeat |
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| 16:58.59 | noskfjord | how can I see wht someone is doing on ssh |
| 16:59.27 | darkness1 | top -U username |
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| 16:59.39 | ke6isf | noskfjord: 'tail -f' their history buffer comes to mind as well to see what they're running at the cmd line. |
| 16:59.57 | Gnea | wow |
| 17:00.03 | ke6isf | noskfjord: Is there something suspicious about one of your users? |
| 17:00.07 | Gnea | s.d.o took a dive? |
| 17:00.11 | darkness1 | ke6isf: Anyone can edit .bash_history :-) |
| 17:00.17 | kokkoo | kh_ : any idea? :) |
| 17:00.23 | kh_ | not yet |
| 17:00.32 | ke6isf | darkness1: It can be edited, but tail -f gives on the fly information, doesn't it? |
| 17:00.33 | kokkoo | kh_ : tnx for looking into it :) |
| 17:00.40 | kh_ | np |
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| 17:00.44 | darkness1 | Yep |
| 17:00.45 | ke6isf | Gnea: s.d.o? |
| 17:00.57 | Gnea | ke6isf: security.debian.org |
| 17:00.57 | jbroome | security.debian.org |
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| 17:01.10 | ke6isf | Gnea: Where's it located? |
| 17:01.24 | Gnea | ke6isf: who knows, your mom's garage? :) |
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| 17:01.37 | ke6isf | Gnea: Cute. |
| 17:01.37 | stew | ke6isf: .nl |
| 17:01.42 | Gnea | :) |
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| 17:01.56 | streuner | A'dam |
| 17:02.02 | furbsd | so how can i install x window on sarge |
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| 17:02.15 | stew | furbsd: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 17:02.40 | ke6isf | stew: Is 'install x' in dpkg obsolete? |
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| 17:02.42 | furbsd | E: Couldn't find package x-window-system |
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| 17:02.57 | moormaster | Hi, does anyone know the root password in knoppix? I have tried to login as root with the su command but it asks me for an password. The password is not empty and not root ;) |
| 17:02.58 | darkness1 | ke6isf: ttysnoop gives better info on tty sessions though :-) |
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| 17:03.05 | ke6isf | darkness1: Indeed. |
| 17:03.07 | stew | !install x |
| 17:03.07 | dpkg | somebody said install xf4 was apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 17:03.14 | ke6isf | moormaster: #knoppix is over there ---> |
| 17:03.19 | hans0lo | furbsd: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:03.20 | moormaster | k ;) |
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| 17:03.26 | furbsd | i think i need to config apt-get first |
| 17:03.31 | ke6isf | !k |
| 17:03.31 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
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| 17:03.47 | stew | furbsd: apt-setup |
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| 17:04.22 | ke6isf | stew: Unless things have changed, he has an unconfigured usb net device. |
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| 17:04.35 | stew | oh |
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| 17:04.52 | absolutzero | no biggy. Got er fixed now. Seems like the Gnome that is installed by default is Gnome w/ Metacity |
| 17:04.59 | absolutzero | hence the removal |
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| 17:05.24 | ke6isf | What other wm's are there for gnome, and how do I switch? |
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| 17:05.40 | absolutzero | usually via kdm or gdm |
| 17:05.49 | azeem | ke6isf: you can use any wm with gnome, metacity is just the official one |
| 17:05.53 | azeem | and the best-integrated |
| 17:05.58 | hans0lo | k36isf: I like xfce4 -- you can switch from within GDM |
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| 17:06.02 | absolutzero | there is an option under KDM for session type, choose another windows manager |
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| 17:06.20 | stew | ke6isf: there are a zillion, apt-cache search window manager |
| 17:06.25 | absolutzero | I use KDE and Fluxbox most of the time |
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| 17:06.33 | stew | absolutzero: whom are you talking to? |
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| 17:07.02 | absolutzero | apt-get install fluxbox fbdesk fluxconf |
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| 17:07.09 | absolutzero | best i have ever used |
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| 17:07.24 | zygis | apt-get install ratpoison |
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| 17:07.32 | absolutzero | Ratpoison? |
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| 17:07.39 | ircops | heh |
| 17:07.42 | darkness1 | Anyone, is there a controlled method that only root can edit to audit ssh sessions on ones box? |
| 17:07.43 | ke6isf | Now I think I am misunderstanding the relationship of gnome and other wms. Where's some information on how all this stuff works together? |
| 17:07.44 | incorrect | i have a strange issue with vsftpd, it keeps return the wrong ip address to establish communications on |
| 17:07.52 | ircops | apt-get install coumadin-blood-thinner-slash-ratpoison |
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| 17:08.02 | Barnes | how do i get make menuconfig to work? |
| 17:08.14 | ircops | you have to have ncurses |
| 17:08.14 | absolutzero | hmm |
| 17:08.15 | stew | Barnes: apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev |
| 17:08.26 | chello | Where do i get the latest version of kde pre-compiled? |
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| 17:08.44 | incorrect | i have multiple ips on my machine, however i tried to use xinetd to bind vsftp to the ip i wanted, however a netstat -atu shows that *:* ftp is listening |
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| 17:08.54 | ircops | chello: put in your sources.list "deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./" |
| 17:09.10 | chello | thanks ircops |
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| 17:09.14 | ircops | np |
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| 17:09.28 | stew | chello: what version fo debian are you running? |
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| 17:11.19 | kokkoo | kh_ : i also get a shitload of dmesg output when i try and transfer TO a hdd connected to the other ide controller. i have to disalbe and enable dma for it to work somewhat properly. |
| 17:11.30 | dhn- | how can I mount the window partion at boot? |
| 17:11.42 | Barnes | stew i get this "The following packaages have unmet dependencies libc6-dev libc-dev g++ libc-dev |
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| 17:11.49 | ke6isf | dhn-: Put it in your fstab. |
| 17:12.09 | thoron | How do I activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option? |
| 17:12.11 | stew | Barnes: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:12.12 | darkness1 | dhn: you trying to access you windows dir using deb? |
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| 17:12.36 | stew | thoron: /msg dpkg loopbreak |
| 17:12.37 | dhn- | I have /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs rw,user,noauto 0 0, but is does not mount automatiaclly |
| 17:12.56 | Barnes | stew 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
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| 17:13.10 | darkness1 | dhn: Yeah i just go in as root and access it tbh. |
| 17:13.11 | stew | Barnes: no, what version of debian. not what version of linux |
| 17:13.16 | absolutzero | nooo my favorite scrensaver won't run it says missing extension GLX |
| 17:13.17 | Barnes | ooh |
| 17:13.20 | cklennard | Hi there, is anyone here running the provided 2.6.12 kernel image. I have some trouble with that thing |
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| 17:13.31 | Barnes | netinstall testing/ |
| 17:13.37 | Barnes | netinstall testing/unstable |
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| 17:14.19 | stew | can you paste the entire output somewhere (not here /msg dpkg flood ) |
| 17:14.21 | D3v1L | hi, someone knows where I can find documentation for X developing (example how to create a window manager)? |
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| 17:15.05 | Barnes | stew can i dcc a log to you? |
| 17:15.09 | stew | Barnes: no |
| 17:15.12 | D3v1L | hi, someone knows where I can find documentation for X developing (example how to create a window manager)? |
| 17:15.17 | stew | Barnes: #flood or /msg dpkg paster |
| 17:15.27 | thoron | stew: Thanks. |
| 17:15.43 | ke6isf | !tell D3v1L -about repeat |
| 17:16.20 | D3v1L | keisf thanks, sorry but i acidentally pressed return |
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| 17:16.40 | ke6isf | D3v1L: Never can tell these days. |
| 17:16.54 | absolutzero | maybe I need to install rss-glx and see if it will run then |
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| 17:17.24 | kokkoo | gotta go brb |
| 17:17.37 | kokkoo | kh_ : please msg me if you find a sollution tnx :P |
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| 17:18.08 | bartden | hi, i have some questions about nautilus, how can i make nautilus have the side bar like its shown in http://www.gnome.org/projects/nautilus/screenshots.html on the second image |
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| 17:18.54 | ircops | ahhh cigarettes. yum. |
| 17:18.57 | absolutzero | ahh libopengl-perl might fix my problem |
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| 17:19.53 | darkness1 | ircops: Booze. yum. |
| 17:20.02 | ircops | MmMMmMmmm goldschlager |
| 17:20.04 | ke6isf | coffee, yum! |
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| 17:20.18 | cklennard | Hm, really no one using 2.6.12 here? Oh well, i am going to ask anyway :) My systems freezes once in a while for a second or so and cannot find any particular reason for this behaviour. Kernel 2.4.X works and 2.2.X also. Anyone an idea? |
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| 17:20.27 | absolutzero | man, lament os the coolest screensaver i have ever seen and i can't get it to run |
| 17:20.28 | ircops | Sparks and Cigarettes: caffeine, cigarettes, and booze all in one (or two) :D |
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| 17:21.26 | w0ls0n | how do you get svscan to work on startup? |
| 17:21.27 | absolutzero | display 0:0 does not not support extension GLX |
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| 17:21.31 | skott | is it possible to play videos from within a browser (like.. mozilla)? |
| 17:21.33 | Anthro | Does evms offer anything other than a unified frontend to a bunch of other tools? |
| 17:21.35 | w0ls0n | (daemontools) |
| 17:21.46 | absolutzero | extension GLX is missing on display 0:0 |
| 17:22.17 | ircops | !glx |
| 17:22.17 | dpkg | well, glx is opengl for X. Currently, Matrox MGA-G200, MGA-G400, ATI Rage based cards, Intel i810 cards, and nvidia's RIVA series are supported. it can be grabbed from CVS at :mailto:pserver:anonymous@cvs.utah-glx.sourceforge.net:/cvs/utah-glx or at http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net, or ask me about `glx debs`, or included in XF4 nowadays and uses dri, so utah-glx is obsolete. |
| 17:22.18 | nkuttler | skott: loook into mozilla-mplayer |
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| 17:22.55 | skott | ah.. ok, thanks. |
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| 17:23.58 | BiBe | hi, how can apt tell the version of a currently installed package like gnome? apt-cache -V doesn't wok for me... |
| 17:24.25 | stew | BiBe: dpkg -l pkgname or apt-cache policy pkgname |
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| 17:25.01 | Hannibal | Hello. I'm having rather a lot of installation trouble. My new pc has an ASUS P5AD2-E motherboard, which has a Marvell 88E8053 dual gigabit Lan, and a Marvell wifi-g interface (but I have no use for that). I tried doing a network-based install, but it does not recognise the network card. |
| 17:25.18 | Hannibal | (which makes a network install hard, of course...) |
| 17:25.36 | w0ls0n | stew: any ideas about daemontools? |
| 17:25.44 | BiBe | stew: thx. for gnome it says "64". what kind of version number is that? |
| 17:25.52 | azeem | is there a program to easily crop .ogg and/or .mp3 files? |
| 17:26.05 | azeem | without decoding/reencoding, I mean |
| 17:26.05 | ke6isf | azeem: soundforge? |
| 17:26.16 | Hannibal | apparently, I need new drivers from syskonnect. I've attempted to compile these, but this fails with a simple 'Compiler error'. I have used the normal install cd #1 to install debian again, this time including gcc and other development tools. |
| 17:26.30 | stew | BiBe: gnome is a virtual package created by debian. its the follow up to 63 |
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| 17:27.15 | BiBe | how do i get the real version number of the installed gnome package? |
| 17:27.17 | Hannibal | fwiw, x also doesn't work (on an ASUS N6600GT nVidia chipset). It complains there are no screens. |
| 17:27.20 | stew | w0ls0n: i don't know anything about daemontools |
| 17:27.29 | stew | BiBe: look at gnome-session pacakge |
| 17:27.47 | ke6isf | azeem: Never mind, I thought that was a Linux package. =O.o= |
| 17:28.04 | BiBe | stew: thx a lot |
| 17:28.23 | va | BiBe: or run gnome-about |
| 17:28.26 | Hannibal | if anyone has any brilliant ideas, or requests for more information, I'd be glad to hear them :) |
| 17:28.38 | stew | !drxx Hannibal |
| 17:28.40 | dpkg | Hannibal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:29.16 | Hannibal | !xmd5 |
| 17:29.16 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 17:31.49 | abrotman | stew: that wasn't very brilliant |
| 17:32.09 | ke6isf | !tell Hannibal -about msg the bot |
| 17:32.13 | cahoot | par for the course |
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| 17:33.05 | stew | abrotman: say what? |
| 17:33.50 | yoo | hi |
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| 17:34.07 | yoo | somebody can explain me what diffrence between NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run and my debian nividia-kernel-source package |
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| 17:34.35 | cheal | yoo: the first isn't supported here because it would break Debian |
| 17:34.38 | |ee | -> /msg dpkg java |
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| 17:34.46 | |ee | -> /msg dpkg java |
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| 17:34.49 | yoo | install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run instead of debian package can resolve problem ? |
| 17:34.49 | blastmanu | hi |
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| 17:35.02 | yoo | ok cheal |
| 17:35.03 | cheal | !tell yoo about nvidia-installer |
| 17:35.14 | blastmanu | how killer a user ? |
| 17:35.14 | fken | hello |
| 17:35.15 | cheal | yoo: unlikely |
| 17:35.21 | Anthro | gun |
| 17:35.25 | yoo | :) |
| 17:35.28 | blastmanu | :) |
| 17:35.34 | yoo | deluser |
| 17:35.45 | stew | blastmanu: what do you mean? slay might be what you are looking |
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| 17:35.56 | fken | can you tell me the command line to report every partitions of my computer ? |
| 17:36.07 | stew | fken: fdisk -l |
| 17:36.17 | fken | thank you stew |
| 17:36.39 | monster | when I install something using apt i got "This installation will require to temporarily removing essential package e2fsprogs" |
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| 17:36.54 | monster | what the heck? |
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| 17:37.05 | furbsd | what is device name for mouse if i'm using a thinkpad |
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| 17:37.20 | monster | /dev/mice |
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| 17:37.34 | monster | or /dev/psaux could be |
| 17:37.41 | blastmanu | could somebody tell me how to killer a user who connected himself on |
| 17:37.41 | furbsd | not there |
| 17:37.41 | blastmanu | our machine using ssh? |
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| 17:37.49 | furbsd | no /dev/mouse nor /dev/mice |
| 17:37.53 | Anthro | furbsd: not /dev/mice, /dev/input/mice |
| 17:37.53 | stew | furbsd: what kernel version |
| 17:37.57 | yoo | cheal: so it's not recommended to install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run on my debian |
| 17:38.00 | fken | stew : whats that ? "/dev/sda3 1339 24792 188394255 5 Extended" : is it the extFS ? |
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| 17:38.02 | stew | blastmanu: slay |
| 17:38.06 | cheal | furbsd: which kernel? |
| 17:38.06 | znx | blastmanu: pkill -u user kill all user processes |
| 17:38.09 | cheal | oops |
| 17:38.17 | cheal | yoo: no |
| 17:38.19 | furbsd | even /dev/input/mice doesn't work |
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| 17:38.24 | resiak | !tell yoo -about nvidia howto |
| 17:38.31 | furbsd | 2.4.27-2.386 |
| 17:38.32 | monster | blastmanu, kill his bash process on ttyp[n] |
| 17:38.36 | stew | furbsd: /dev/psaux |
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| 17:38.50 | blastmanu | ah ok, thanks |
| 17:39.09 | yoo | who is Etch ? |
| 17:39.10 | stew | fken: no that is a extended partition that contains logical partitions, i'd guess |
| 17:39.12 | dodo | C'è qulacuno che ha installato amule-adunanza con l'accesso a kadu? |
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| 17:39.44 | monster | when I install something using apt i got "This installation will require to temporarily removing essential package e2fsprogs" |
| 17:39.49 | monster | what is it? |
| 17:39.54 | Anthro | !fr |
| 17:39.54 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 17:39.58 | cheal | !es |
| 17:39.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:40.08 | Anthro | Oops, I was fooled. |
| 17:40.08 | cheal | br? |
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| 17:40.16 | Anthro | !br |
| 17:40.16 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 17:40.37 | furbsd | what protocol for /dev/psaux |
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| 17:41.02 | fken | stew: is it normal ? Ijust reinstall debian i hope there is no problem |
| 17:41.06 | beardy | furbsd: Depends on your mouse. Try imps2 first.. |
| 17:41.11 | Anthro | furbsd: For a thinkpad I believe you want synps2 |
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| 17:41.20 | monster | furbsd, better look at wiki in topic |
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| 17:41.33 | furbsd | auto works |
| 17:41.44 | monster | furbsd, these answers are there |
| 17:41.46 | stew | fken: it is common |
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| 17:42.03 | DEbian_testing | Hi! |
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| 17:42.20 | Anthro | furbsd: If you search around you can find the synaptics driver for the touchpad that will support tap-clicking and edge-scrolling. |
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| 17:42.51 | Anthro | furbsd: I don't remember all the details (I had to give up my ThinkPad when I switched jobs), but it's out there. |
| 17:42.56 | fken | stew : "/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0" ... I am sure linux will tell me there is an error with the hdc drive... |
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| 17:43.47 | stew | fken: i don't understand the question |
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| 17:43.49 | fken | stew : omg it works ! |
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| 17:45.10 | poliquin_ | I am trying to do a 'smart update' via synaptic |
| 17:45.11 | poliquin_ | on woody (I assume as /etc/debian_version only |
| 17:45.11 | poliquin_ | tells me testing/unstable) and it's telling |
| 17:45.11 | poliquin_ | me it wants to remove all my sdl-dev packages |
| 17:45.11 | poliquin_ | which I need. I thought this might just be a |
| 17:45.11 | poliquin_ | naming change but I could find nothing obvious |
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| 17:45.32 | stew | hah, it says testing/unstable so i assume woody?!? |
| 17:45.43 | fken | stew : there was no question ; ill explain the fact : last time i installed linux debian with the exact same cdrom, fstab was totally wrong : hdc had never been installed on my computer but scd0 was installed |
| 17:45.43 | cheal | sure... |
| 17:45.59 | fken | stew : now it works... but i dunno why |
| 17:46.08 | yoo | cheal :http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/debian.html |
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| 17:46.32 | cheal | yoo: what? |
| 17:46.34 | DEbian_testing | I made a program called KISO. It is based on echo, but now has a basic-input support (and it doesn't work nice, for now). If you want it, you can dowload it from: http://ricardoivieitez.homelinux.org/kiso.tar.gz or http://ricardoivieitez.homelinux.org/kiso.cpp |
| 17:46.56 | yoo | the difference betwenn debian way and nvidia installer |
| 17:47.02 | DEbian_testing | The .tar.gz version is designed to be uncompressed from / |
| 17:47.03 | furbsd | how do i add a .deb? |
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| 17:47.23 | cheal | furbsd: dpkg -i foo.deb installs a .deb |
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| 17:47.37 | cheal | wow, I always dreamed of an improved echo :) |
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| 17:47.43 | fken | stew : can you explain how it could happen ? |
| 17:47.54 | stew | no |
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| 17:48.00 | fken | lol |
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| 17:48.49 | tennin | apt-get wants to do a large update of x-window-system-core and other packages (on sarge). what does this update address? there doesn't seem to be a relevant security advisory about it on debian.org, at least not on the front page |
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| 17:50.02 | tennin | "relevant security advisory about it," dept of redundancy dept |
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| 17:50.35 | jshoenberger | I plan on doing some massive html manipulation (cutting the files in places inserting some code) what are some of the manipulation programs so I can read the manual pages on them? Tail and Head are the only ones I know, there's got to be an easier way to do this... |
| 17:50.36 | Hannibal | stew: thanks. However, the problem persists. :( FWIW, sorry about not pm-ing the bot. I was unaware that this would give the same results. Will pm in future :) |
| 17:50.40 | hans0lo | apt-get upgrade updates some xfce4 packages every time I run it. (I could run apt-get upgrade 100 times in a row and it'll install the packages over and over) any idea how to fix? |
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| 17:51.15 | resiak | jshoenberger: If you're manipulating html, look at perl's HTML::Parser |
| 17:51.20 | nkuttler | hans0lo: what did you do before? try a dist-upgrade |
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| 17:51.54 | stew | Hannibal: sounds like you answered the questions incorrectly |
| 17:51.57 | jshoenberger | shoot, I don't know perl :( Are there any other suggestions while I'm looking that one up? |
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| 17:52.17 | stew | Hannibal: read the X log and look for lines starting with (EE) |
| 17:52.18 | hans0lo | nkuttler: I pinned os-works.com for XFCE4.2 -- I tried removing the pin priority from my /etc/apt/preferences but it still does it. |
| 17:52.22 | fken | anyway thanks to debian security server, my last installation has been broken... what a beautiful security | the server wasnt availlable sometimes and the connection crashed |
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| 17:52.41 | Hannibal | stew: one but bottom line says (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 17:53.19 | Hannibal | I'm quite sure about most of the questions, except for the frame buffer (I answered yes). I don't see how that would affect the fact that it does not find any devices. |
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| 17:53.47 | hans0lo | nkuttler: Maybe the official debian packages and os-works.com packages are fighting for supremacy? |
| 17:53.54 | nkuttler | hans0lo: probably |
| 17:54.08 | Hannibal | stew: would it help if I pastebinned the config file? |
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| 17:54.55 | tom_p | Synaptic wants to remove all my sdl-dev packages .. is this just a renaming thing? I can't find anything on the debian site. |
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| 17:55.41 | Zomb | tom_p: a rename thing. RTF News if you use unstable. |
| 17:55.42 | furbsd | how can i install mplayer on debian |
| 17:55.52 | nkuttler | furbsd: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 17:56.14 | priest | furbsd, download the source and compile it. |
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| 17:56.30 | stew | Hannibal: what config command? |
| 17:56.31 | eu-prleu-peupeu | hello |
| 17:56.33 | tom_p | Zomb, Thanks .. cat /etc/debian_version says 'testing/unstable' |
| 17:56.36 | furbsd | no package? |
| 17:56.39 | eu-prleu-peupeu | i have some problems with debian, cause im a noob with this |
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| 17:57.21 | eu-prleu-peupeu | the thing is, i installed php4 manually, and apache1.3 manually, now if i do a apt-get install php5, he will complain with this: dpkg: error processing libapache-mod-php4 (--remove): |
| 17:57.25 | Hannibal | stew: I used dpkg-reconfigure, if that's what you mean. I don't quite understand what you mean if it's not that, sorry :( |
| 17:57.26 | eu-prleu-peupeu | anyone can help me please ? |
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| 17:57.46 | nkuttler | eu-prleu-peupeu: just ask |
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| 17:57.55 | cheal | eu-prleu-peupeu: what do you mean by "manually"? |
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| 17:58.10 | zykes | hmm, having problems with getting a sata controller to work |
| 17:58.14 | zykes | a sil 3113 |
| 17:58.17 | zykes | 3112 |
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| 17:58.26 | zykes | the controller shows up |
| 17:58.33 | zykes | but the disks don' |
| 17:58.33 | zykes | t |
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| 17:58.53 | zykes | any ideas ? |
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| 17:59.43 | pivi | anybody knows why sarge install by default mysql 4.0 and not mysql4.1 (both packages are shipped with sarge) ? |
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| 18:00.05 | zykes | big support chan |
| 18:00.09 | cheal | pivi: because it's considered more stable |
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| 18:00.20 | olohoyo | zykes: had the same problem, but don't remember. Was about a BIOS config... |
| 18:00.23 | pivi | cheal: it's not for this problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00864.html ? |
| 18:00.24 | dfinn | anybody else run into problems trying to do an upgrade with etch and udev looking for kernel 2.6.12? |
| 18:00.38 | Hannibal | xfree config file: http://debian.pastebin.com/369183 |
| 18:00.50 | cheal | dfinn: possibly. |
| 18:00.54 | zykes | anyone got a hint ? |
| 18:01.16 | dfinn | cheal: what do you mean by possibly? |
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| 18:01.53 | dfinn | for me it looks like gnome-volume-manager requires hal, and hal is requiring a new verison of udev that wants a kernel that is not available |
| 18:02.08 | bartden | hi, i need a program to view foto's, something from gnome or xfce4 |
| 18:02.14 | Hannibal | stew: error log: http://debian.pastebin.com/369184 |
| 18:02.21 | bartden | or something really basic |
| 18:02.22 | olohoyo | zikes: is it a SATA-RAID controler? |
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| 18:02.37 | zykes | olohoyo yes |
| 18:02.55 | skott | for some reason mozilla isn't recognizing plugins |
| 18:02.59 | cheal | dfinn: which kernel? |
| 18:03.00 | skott | maybe a broken install? |
| 18:03.05 | Hannibal | bleh, better version: http://debian.pastebin.com/369185 |
| 18:03.07 | nkuttler | skott: which one? |
| 18:03.17 | olohoyo | As I said: had the same problem about one year ago. Had to disable RAID (and do sodtware raid) |
| 18:03.20 | skott | uhm, 1 sec |
| 18:03.31 | skott | 1.7.11 |
| 18:03.33 | dfinn | cheal: 2.6.8 is what I'm using currently |
| 18:03.42 | zykes | olohoyo: it's running no raid :) |
| 18:03.49 | cheal | bartden: like gqview? |
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| 18:03.54 | olohoyo | bartden: gthumb, gqview |
| 18:04.00 | skott | oh which plugin? none... hehe, it won't even work with the java plugin |
| 18:04.04 | zykes | every drive for its self :) |
| 18:04.04 | cheal | dfinn: which "kernel that is not available" |
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| 18:04.14 | priest | zykes, only 3ware's SATA-RAID is supported in Sarge. |
| 18:04.24 | dfinn | cheal: 2.6.12 |
| 18:04.40 | cheal | dfinn: how come it's not available? |
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| 18:04.48 | zykes | priest: anyway to make it supported ;)? |
| 18:04.49 | olohoyo | zykes: sorry, realy don't remember. Explore your bios settings... maybe |
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| 18:05.33 | priest | zykes, check the vendors homepage if they have linuxdrives. |
| 18:05.42 | dfinn | i guess they haven't packaged it yet for etch |
| 18:05.49 | dfinn | http://blog.bofh.it/id_91 |
| 18:05.56 | fbi | Hannibal: apparently xfree86 does not have the driver for your nvidia card, i could be wrong, but look at where the X log stopped and errored |
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| 18:06.16 | Hannibal | fbi: straight after: (II) Primary Device is: PCI 05:00:0 |
| 18:06.22 | fbi | no, before that |
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| 18:06.24 | cheal | dfinn: that's a really old post. 2.6.12 is in etch |
| 18:06.27 | skott | any ideas nkuttler? |
| 18:06.39 | fbi | it's looking for the nvidia driver, and the card you are using isn't even listed |
| 18:06.45 | fbi | hence, xfree86 fails to start |
| 18:06.58 | cheal | pivi: I don't think so |
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| 18:07.08 | dfinn | ah, didn't see that, guess I need to upgrade my kernel |
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| 18:07.26 | Hannibal | fbi: I see... getting the nvidia package from debian should fix that? |
| 18:07.27 | olohoyo | priest: do you know some good source of info about SATA/Linux? |
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| 18:07.45 | fbi | Hannibal: i don't use nvidia, but from what i have seen in this channel it's nightmare |
| 18:07.49 | eu-prleu-peupeu | cheal, by "manually" i mean ./configure make make install |
| 18:07.52 | fbi | i am not about to give you any advice on that one |
| 18:07.55 | priest | olohoyo, no. |
| 18:08.07 | eu-prleu-peupeu | cheal, but i removed the package already |
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| 18:08.34 | zykes | like |
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| 18:08.44 | hans0lo | I use Nvidia. I don't have problems. Just get the latest installer from Nvidia, make sure you have gcc installed and run installer. Then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose 'nvidia' |
| 18:08.48 | zykes | we're finding the drivers and everything |
| 18:08.52 | zykes | but no disks |
| 18:09.00 | pivi | cheal: thanks |
| 18:09.17 | cheal | eu-prleu-peupeu: eh. try dpkg -r libapache-mod-php4 |
| 18:09.49 | cheal | hans0lo: please don't advise people to break their system here |
| 18:10.29 | Hannibal | hans0lo: that failed for me, the driver could not find a suitable interface, couldn't download updates because I have no network, and then failed to recognise my kernel source. |
| 18:10.40 | hyksos | how is the java debugger jdb called on debian? |
| 18:10.41 | hans0lo | cheal: didn'tknow that was breaking it. srry |
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| 18:10.48 | tarzeau | hyksos: it doesn't exist |
| 18:11.12 | hyksos | tarzeau : i must use the one from sun? |
| 18:11.29 | olohoyo | Hannibal: I use nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx. If you don't have network, you'll need apt-zip |
| 18:11.35 | tarzeau | hyksos: nobody ever must do anything except to die. but yeah i'd guess you want that one |
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| 18:11.47 | hyksos | tarzeau :ok,thanks |
| 18:11.49 | tarzeau | hyksos: but if you think about it again, do you really need it? |
| 18:11.49 | eeyore- | hmm, interesting 4-port ethernet board, looks like it is supported by natsemi driver, http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/54/products_id/425 |
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| 18:12.05 | hyksos | tarzeau :a debugger is still good |
| 18:12.14 | tarzeau | hyksos: i was refering to java |
| 18:12.18 | stew | Hannibal: are you still having the same problem? from that xlog your card isn't detected. are you supplying a busid? you shouldn't need to |
| 18:12.24 | hyksos | tarzeau :ah, thats for school |
| 18:12.35 | Hannibal | stew: no, I'm not supplying a busid. |
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| 18:12.56 | hans0lo | Hannibal: you need the kernel-heades package for your running kernel |
| 18:12.58 | stew | Hannibal: does it work when you select vesa instead of nv |
| 18:13.26 | Hannibal | stew: will try, though it didn't work before when I used xfree's own config utility and picked vesa. |
| 18:13.39 | Hannibal | hans0lo: I have those. |
| 18:13.41 | tenni1 | why is there a large update for x-window-system-common and related packages? |
| 18:14.06 | fbi | tennil: because the security team says you need one. |
| 18:14.22 | dannyp | Java is not as bad as folks make it out to be |
| 18:14.32 | tenni1 | but there's nothing about it on the debian.org front page |
| 18:14.39 | hans0lo | Hannibal: Nvidia cards should at least come up in X with the Vesa or Nv driver. No 3D acceleration, but if you dont plan on using 3D games no problem |
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| 18:15.18 | Whitman | When listing installed packages with dpkg -l, is there a way to make the 'colums' wider? The end of a package name isn't shown. |
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| 18:15.41 | mz_work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:15.58 | Whitman | cheers |
| 18:15.59 | Hannibal | hrm. It does work using vesa now :) |
| 18:16.14 | eeyore- | dannyp: it's not? have you ever used mathlab? |
| 18:16.18 | Liroy | Hey all you know sometimes you can get "Message From Root and a message" what is the command? |
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| 18:16.27 | Barnes | stew do you want that log about the libncurses5-dev in #flood or? |
| 18:16.32 | tarzeau | what are the largest source and binary packages, is there a list of those? |
| 18:16.35 | dannyp | eeyore-: matlab? yes |
| 18:16.56 | eeyore- | dannyp: and you don't think it is completely boneheaded to build the thing on top of java? |
| 18:17.08 | bob2 | Liroy: mail? |
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| 18:17.30 | cheal | Liroy: man wall |
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| 18:17.44 | Liroy | man wall? |
| 18:17.59 | dannyp | I don't believe matlab is written in java... |
| 18:18.00 | Liroy | ah |
| 18:18.00 | Liroy | thanks |
| 18:18.01 | Liroy | ;) |
| 18:18.06 | Hannibal | cheers stew :) |
| 18:18.13 | tarzeau | dannyp: neither do i |
| 18:18.22 | scx | hi there! |
| 18:18.41 | grendal_prime | ok this is makeing me absofuckinglootly crazy...aparently there is no dri support throught xorg for my video equipment, so now i need to reinstall xfree86 but i cant seem to get the xorg off the machine and get the xfree86 componants back on the machine |
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| 18:18.56 | cheal | dannyp: I believe it is |
| 18:18.57 | dannyp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.04 | dannyp | maybe it's compiled into that |
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| 18:19.32 | gozz | how can i uninstall mplayer? |
| 18:19.42 | tarzeau | gozz: apt-get --purge remove mplayer |
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| 18:20.08 | grendal_prime | ive tried using aptitude to first remove the xorg packages...then install xserver-xfree86 and everythign seems to go ok..but i cannot get x to fire up after that and the logs just say...no screens found |
| 18:20.09 | bob2 | matlab heavily uses java |
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| 18:20.16 | bob2 | all of the UI in new versions is java |
| 18:20.17 | dannyp | but matlab doesn't have an exceptionally consistent interface between windows and X, so I would suspect that, if it is based on java, it's not using awt |
| 18:20.19 | bob2 | (and arse) |
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| 18:20.35 | dannyp | hmm |
| 18:20.41 | dannyp | well, my experience with the UI is also limited |
| 18:20.45 | bob2 | dannyp: there's a command line flag to run it without the java stuff |
| 18:20.47 | dannyp | I typically used the CLI for java |
| 18:20.49 | bob2 | all you get is a command line |
| 18:20.50 | henke | dannyp, "MATLAB was originally written in FORTRAN and later re-written in C." - Wikipedia |
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| 18:21.04 | dannyp | that being said, I would argue the UI is not a significant portion of matlab |
| 18:21.13 | bob2 | try it and see |
| 18:21.34 | dannyp | as someone who did several electrical and computer engineering homework assignments using matlab without X (faster that way) |
| 18:21.42 | airox | Hi. I'm having a hangup when using the installation disk of Debian (debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso). It hangs when it says 'Loading module 'ide-cd' for 'Linux ATAPI CD-ROM'. Anybody knows a workaround on this one ? Cause it does boot from the cdrom ... |
| 18:22.00 | hans0lo | general_prime: have you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:22.10 | gozz | tarzeau thanks! i installed it and it caused more problems than it was worth |
| 18:22.28 | bob2 | airox: try the other kernel |
| 18:22.35 | dannyp | when you think of everything that MATLAB does, and how more or less all of the true functionality is done by a backend developed in C, I don't think it's fair to say matlab is based on java |
| 18:22.41 | tarzeau | airox: no problem with other cd media? |
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| 18:22.55 | airox | tarzeau, no |
| 18:22.59 | airox | bob2, which kernel ? :) |
| 18:23.05 | tarzeau | dannyp: imho you're absolutely right |
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| 18:23.11 | bob2 | airox: the opposite of what you're using |
| 18:23.18 | bob2 | airox: if you did the default, try linux26 |
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| 18:23.21 | airox | hmm wait a minute... it's loading *something* from the disk |
| 18:23.24 | airox | bob2, ah oke |
| 18:23.26 | ciroro | I just switched from ext2 to ext3; is it okay that I can see the .journal in the file listing? |
| 18:23.27 | airox | let's try... |
| 18:23.30 | dannyp | and would I call it a mistake? no, I wouldn't. MATLAB does a very nice job at what it does. For most things I prefer it to, say, maple. (symbolic manipulation is the one thing where I tend to prefer maple, but that may just be because of comfort with syntax) |
| 18:23.38 | cmo | i'm trying to access my usbstick files. i 'tail'ed /var/log/messages and then inserted the stick. the tail was showing that a usb flash disk was inserted and a scsi emulation was setup which was scsi1. i COULD NOT find this scsi1, and i could not access the files... any idea, comment, or suggestions? |
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| 18:23.54 | eeyore- | dannyp: ok, but the UI is where users interact with the program. if it's crap, the product has crap feel right from the get-go. |
| 18:23.55 | dannyp | and when I've used matlab with the GUI on sufficiently fast workstations, I've never thought it to be all that bad. If it's based around java, okay |
| 18:24.10 | dannyp | eeyore-: I don't think the majority of users really use the GUI |
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| 18:24.30 | hans0lo | cmo: try /dev/sda1 |
| 18:24.35 | airox | bob2, will it also install the 2.6 kernel ? |
| 18:24.42 | bob2 | yes... |
| 18:25.01 | dannyp | eeyore-: I mean, even if you have launched the GUI, how much are you actually going to do there that's different than if you hadn't? |
| 18:25.04 | cmo | tried that, but it said when mounting that the device is not accessable |
| 18:25.04 | airox | bob2, great! thanks a lot. I'm already past the loading module stage! :D |
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| 18:25.27 | hans0lo | smoser: also try sdb1, sdc1, sdd1, etc.. |
| 18:25.30 | dannyp | it makes quickly displaying and changing plots easier. big deal. |
| 18:25.40 | dannyp | (and, for that matter, the GUI isn't bad in my opinion) |
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| 18:25.48 | dannyp | and I'm seriously wondering how many people here have actually used matlab |
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| 18:26.06 | cahoot | cmo: look if it's listed in /proc/partitions |
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| 18:26.12 | eeyore- | dannyp: well, ok :-) we actually hook into matlab programmatically ... the UI is what we use to display our integration so yeah, it's a big part of what we use it for |
| 18:26.16 | tarzeau | dannyp: i've not really used it, but packaged/deployed it since a year |
| 18:26.25 | eeyore- | dannyp: our usage might be different from yours |
| 18:26.34 | bob2 | dannyp: I worked with it for a a few months in a job |
| 18:26.54 | cmo | but i tried to look at /dev/usb/*, and i did'nt see a new file there? |
| 18:26.56 | dannyp | I'm only an engineering minor, so I haven't used it as extensively as some of my more hardcore EE brethren |
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| 18:27.20 | djp | is xchm installed by default under debian 3.1? |
| 18:27.28 | dannyp | but I certainly did take the courses where EEs learned matlab and used it extensively for solving equations that represent circuits |
| 18:27.45 | dannyp | and that being said, I really don't see what matlab has to do with java |
| 18:28.11 | dannyp | Most of the criticisms I see levied against java, as a language, are either misplaced or misinformed |
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| 18:28.25 | eeyore- | dannyp: why do you *need* java? |
| 18:28.38 | dannyp | eeyore-: why do you *need* any programming language? |
| 18:28.49 | whatever | ..... |
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| 18:28.50 | eeyore- | dannyp: that's not the answer. why do you need java, specifically |
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| 18:29.02 | dannyp | Frankly, I don't think people, as a group, need computers |
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| 18:29.16 | eeyore- | dannyp: no answer for the question, then, i take it |
| 18:29.18 | ununregistered | How do I increase the subtitle size for mplayer |
| 18:29.26 | dannyp | eeyore-: it's a strawman of a question |
| 18:29.39 | whatever | dannyp: no its not, its very valid |
| 18:29.41 | dannyp | I've never said that people need java, or any other programming language, or computers at all |
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| 18:30.26 | Dazgar1 | hi |
| 18:30.52 | Dazgar1 | is there a web interface to configure stuff like qos, firewall, on linux please ? |
| 18:30.58 | dannyp | whatever: Sure, it's a valid question, and it's a straw man- it has nothing to do with what I said |
| 18:31.12 | airox | Dazgar1, maybe webmin can do these things. |
| 18:31.16 | Whitman | !webmin |
| 18:31.16 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 18:31.33 | eeyore- | dannyp: "most of the criticism i see levied against java" ... ok, my criticism is "it's completely superfluous" |
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| 18:31.53 | eeyore- | dannyp: hence, "why does one need java" |
| 18:32.02 | Dazgar1 | there are no other soft than webmin ? |
| 18:32.20 | whatever | dannyp: ah, well, basically I think he meant "what does java provide thats so much more beneficial compared to other languages" |
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| 18:32.26 | Ronin | Dazgar1: it works, not the best in the world but what software is |
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| 18:32.45 | dannyp | whatever: except why is that question being asked for Java but not for, say, C++ |
| 18:32.52 | Dazgar1 | ok |
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| 18:33.03 | whatever | dannyp: becaues c++ compiles down to machine code, java does not. |
| 18:33.04 | dannyp | frankly if you can't think of a scenario where having binary compatibility isn't worthwhile, then you aren't creative enough |
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| 18:33.58 | dannyp | whatever: no, java compiles down to JVM code, which is machine code |
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| 18:33.58 | dannyp | whether or not a physical instance of that machine is built or not doesn't really matter |
| 18:33.58 | eeyore- | dannyp: ah, but we have differing implementations of bytecode interpreters, and differing levels of sandbox security. |
| 18:33.58 | whatever | dannyp: sorry, I meant you need an interpreter |
| 18:34.04 | whatever | wrah, my mind isn't awake yet |
| 18:34.06 | whatever | ignore me |
| 18:34.12 | Hannibal | right. Now I notice I don't have any sound. if I mess around in the control panel, it will always tell me that /dev/<something> is not found, and thus audio output is going to /dev/null |
| 18:34.16 | eeyore- | dannyp: and if you use a homegrown jvm, it's completely possible that you have no security whatsoever |
| 18:34.17 | Hannibal | what should I do to fix that? :) |
| 18:34.30 | dannyp | there's not a whole lot (save economics) stopping one from sitting down and defining a processor that understands JVM bytecode. give me enough money, time, and verilog and I could draw one up for you |
| 18:34.35 | eeyore- | dannyp: so what happens to the "portability" and "security" arguments? |
| 18:34.44 | dannyp | eeyore-: there are cases where people can control the JVM |
| 18:35.16 | dannyp | eeyore-: you want an example? How about if Apple wants to put software on the flash cards for the iPod nano, but doesn't want to tie their hands on the Nano's architecture |
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| 18:35.34 | tuv | msttcorefonts package complains: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/truetype does not exist.. what package should create that directory? |
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| 18:35.49 | whatever | dannyp: I was under the impression that java had a lot more processing overhead. |
| 18:35.51 | dannyp | if they use something besides java, if they change architectures later people won't be able to swap memory cards between Nanos and have them work |
| 18:35.57 | eeyore- | dannyp: more real-world examples ... palm moved entire arch from motorola dragonball to ARM arch, binary translation. what's the problem? no java involved. |
| 18:35.59 | dannyp | we are seeing java in use in more and more embedded applications |
| 18:36.16 | eeyore- | dannyp: oh wait, no binary translation ... just plain emulation |
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| 18:36.35 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 18:36.58 | fken | my debconf list is broken |
| 18:36.58 | grendal_prime | how would one go about getting rid of xor and installing xfree86 again |
| 18:37.05 | whatever | so....were you guys initially talking about java, or matlab? |
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| 18:37.16 | eeyore- | whatever: both, and more :) |
| 18:37.20 | dannyp | eeyore-: that's also not really an efficient usage of processor (it just doesn't matter, because dragonball processors weren't exactly supercomputers) |
| 18:37.20 | whatever | lol |
| 18:37.24 | eeyore- | whatever: basically, i hate java |
| 18:37.25 | dannyp | whatever: java |
| 18:37.35 | fken | E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible) |
| 18:37.35 | fken | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 18:37.48 | fken | how could i change that |
| 18:37.50 | dannyp | and someone mentioned "mathlab" as a reason why I should hate java as well |
| 18:37.54 | cheal | fken: what package managers are you running? |
| 18:37.59 | eeyore- | fken: you probably have another dselect or apt runningin the background |
| 18:38.10 | fken | I am really losing my nerves in front of this "security" fucked system |
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| 18:38.22 | whatever | eeyore: I'm kind of with you on that one. I can see the cross-platform portability which is nice, but beyond that, I think its a sloppy coding language. |
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| 18:38.31 | dannyp | eeyore-: my cell phone's internals are all in java. This means they can switch to any architecture they'd like that has support for java |
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| 18:38.32 | whatever | dannyp: ah, goccha |
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| 18:38.42 | fken | cheal:dialog |
| 18:38.52 | eeyore- | whatever: matlab is one implementation of a product that uses java around its perimiter, unfortunately in a way that's very very visible to end users and it sticks out like a friggin' sore thumb. why do it in java ui? go figure. might as well go native. |
| 18:39.05 | fken | impossible to kill dialog |
| 18:39.24 | eeyore- | fken: alt-f2, log in as root, kill anything you want |
| 18:39.27 | cheal | fken: I meant are you running synaptic, aptitude, dselect, kpackage or something like that? |
| 18:39.32 | yazid_work | eeyore-: worse example: novell consoleone ... ;-) |
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| 18:39.43 | fken | i fund the solution : killall apt-get |
| 18:39.49 | abrotman | oh that's good |
| 18:40.02 | eeyore- | yazid_work: veritas! |
| 18:40.20 | fken | are the security sources useful ? |
| 18:40.46 | dannyp | frankly if you're doing any embedded work, as soon as the specs of the application enable you to cost effectively use a platform that can support java for your task, switching to java makes a hell of a lot of sense |
| 18:40.52 | yazid_work | eeyore-: "there's GOT to be something we can use the CPU cycles on enterprise grade hardware on" |
| 18:40.57 | whatever | dannyp: ....you fail to realize that "switching to an architecture that it supports" isn't as easy as you make it sound. to translate it may have so much overhead the benefits arn't even worth it. |
| 18:40.58 | cheal | fken: what do you think? |
| 18:40.58 | fbi | fken: are you asking that seriously? |
| 18:41.21 | dannyp | whatever: not really, because makers of embedded systems are building and designing things with java support in mind |
| 18:41.28 | eeyore- | yazid_work: i can understand the cross-platform aspect of these enterprise software, but please, there's got to be better crossplatform ways for achieving it. we do. qt. |
| 18:41.42 | eeyore- | yazid_work: shit, our software will not sell if we did it in java! |
| 18:41.44 | whatever | dannyp: thats ......really hard for you to say unless you have actual proof? |
| 18:41.45 | fken | fbi : I am using testing distrib and the security sources are downloading at 1kbps |
| 18:42.07 | fken | fbi : now its written 0bps |
| 18:42.08 | cheal | fken: which source? |
| 18:42.09 | fbi | fken: well, i think you might actually want security updates, buy hey, i'm an idiot. |
| 18:42.29 | dannyp | whatever: google for java+embedded? |
| 18:42.33 | fken | fbi: an idiot? why ? |
| 18:43.04 | fbi | fken: </sarcasm>. be patient and let them finish, or kill it and resume another time. |
| 18:43.12 | fken | Connexion à security.debian.org: 80 (194.109.137.218) impossible, délai de connexion dépassé |
| 18:43.27 | dondelelcaro | fken: see /topic |
| 18:43.35 | dondelelcaro | fken: there are a few mirrors of security.debian.org about |
| 18:43.49 | dondelelcaro | there was also just an announcement about it on d-s-a |
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| 18:43.55 | dannyp | whatever: there is a large number of computer engineers at my school who believe in the merits of embedded java. whether or not you think that's a proper engineering choice, they do and they are significant enough where it will be affecting what people are producing in 5, 10 years |
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| 18:44.19 | whatever | dannyp: thats a very broad search, since java is embedded into everything, and dosen't even explain how systems are being 'designed' to handle java as opposed to other things |
| 18:44.24 | fken | hum ... |
| 18:44.40 | eeyore- | whatever: a core is a core, it's not tuned for any specific language |
| 18:44.43 | fken | WHAT ! there are security sources for testing !!! |
| 18:44.45 | whatever | dannyp: rather, the entire concept of java is an embedded application on top of some other existing entity |
| 18:45.01 | dannyp | whatever: It's not very significant from an engineering standpoint, but it's significant from a marketing standpoint |
| 18:45.07 | dondelelcaro | fken: the testing security team has been making updates, yes... but IIRC, they're not on s.d.o |
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| 18:45.15 | eeyore- | whatever: arm cores, for example, don't give a whit what you run on it |
| 18:45.32 | eeyore- | whatever: and they don't prefer java over asm assemblies :) |
| 18:45.35 | [sAtaN] | i installed a debian system on my fast computer. then i took the hdd and put it into my old pII400mhz (a direct installation was not possible because of bios problems). the kernel loads. then i see starting system and this error: pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 18:45.35 | [sAtaN] | /sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 18:45.35 | [sAtaN] | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 18:45.37 | eeyore- | uh, arm |
| 18:45.37 | fken | dondelelcaro : I am updating my system with the sarge's one |
| 18:45.59 | dannyp | processors are not sentient beings, they don't have any preferences |
| 18:46.01 | whatever | eeyore: can't say I know enough about that ^_^ |
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| 18:46.17 | whatever | dannyp: but the designers who make them do |
| 18:46.27 | dondelelcaro | fken: yes, so if it's not working well, either retry the download, or use a mirror of s.d.o |
| 18:46.31 | whatever | dannyp: which is exactly what you said designers were doing |
| 18:46.46 | fken | dondelelcaro: whats sdo ? |
| 18:46.48 | dannyp | whatever: I said they're designing systems with java support in mind |
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| 18:46.57 | J_P | hi all |
| 18:46.58 | whatever | ah crap, godda fly....class in 15 min |
| 18:47.02 | dondelelcaro | fken: security.debian.org; the machine you've been whining about... |
| 18:47.03 | whatever | its been a pleasure guys |
| 18:47.11 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | is there any way to permenantly change the name of a interface, ie: eth0 to wlan0 |
| 18:47.13 | J_P | people, what software generated one random password ? |
| 18:47.17 | furbsd | i'm disapointed at debian |
| 18:47.26 | eeyore- | furbsd: good for you |
| 18:47.37 | dondelelcaro | SmallR2002[lpt-d: use nameif |
| 18:47.37 | eeyore- | J_P: if you want one you don't have to write, "htpasswd" |
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| 18:47.45 | SmallR2002[lpt-d | thanks |
| 18:47.49 | furbsd | it simply doesn't work |
| 18:48.03 | eeyore- | J_P: if you want to write one, use c function "crypt", or php, or perl, etc. |
| 18:48.07 | [sAtaN] | anyone knows sth about "pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 18:48.07 | [sAtaN] | /sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 18:48.07 | [sAtaN] | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" ?? |
| 18:48.25 | eeyore- | furbsd: amazing. it "works for me". please go back to the corner to continue your trolling. |
| 18:48.33 | dondelelcaro | [sAtaN]: we saw it the first time; you're running your own kernel and for whatever reason don't have /dev/console on the root device. |
| 18:48.36 | J_P | ok |
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| 18:49.03 | [sAtaN] | i have this device. that's the problem |
| 18:49.06 | eeyore- | [sAtaN]: did you enable support for console? |
| 18:49.14 | [sAtaN] | yep |
| 18:49.17 | furbsd | x window doesn't work, laptop won't go into sleep mode, sound card module does't load properly |
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| 18:49.22 | Datcrack | /server irc.secureturkey.net - turkish linux help channel |
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| 18:49.25 | eeyore- | [sAtaN]: no, not the file! the file may exist but whether the underlying *code* in the kernel is there or not ... |
| 18:49.30 | [sAtaN] | and i edited grub that way that it starts a bash right after loading the kernel |
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| 18:49.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.100.89.211] by dondelelcaro |
| 18:49.43 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: i'll handle |
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| 18:49.47 | eeyore- | [sAtaN]: the /dev/console device file doesn't matter a whit if the kernel doesn't actually have support for it (because you neglect to include it) |
| 18:50.12 | fbi | furbsd: so basically you blame Debian for you being clueless. |
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| 18:50.31 | eeyore- | furbsd: those features work for me, and i have a number of laptops running linux |
| 18:50.49 | iNX | hi @ all |
| 18:51.06 | eeyore- | furbsd: so if you still want to continue pushing the agenda that "debian sucks", i might have to kick you |
| 18:51.10 | iNX | i`ve probs with installing vpnclient |
| 18:51.15 | eeyore- | furbsd: if you have legitimate problems, state them |
| 18:51.21 | peterS | whew, we got through itlap day without serious incident |
| 18:51.26 | furbsd | i didn't say debian sucks, you did |
| 18:51.31 | iNX | getting error make: *** [default] Fehler 2 |
| 18:51.32 | iNX | Failed to make module "cisco_ipsec.ko". |
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| 18:51.40 | furbsd | i'm just saying these things don't work well |
| 18:51.50 | eeyore- | furbsd: "i'm disappointed at debian" "it simply doesn't work" |
| 18:51.51 | iNX | anyone can help me |
| 18:51.52 | Lilldude_ | liable |
| 18:51.52 | iNX | ? |
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| 18:52.04 | dondelelcaro | furbsd: so ask a specific question regarding them or file bugs; complaining doesn't help. |
| 18:52.06 | eeyore- | furbsd: bullshit, you didn't qualify it with "well" the first time |
| 18:52.08 | furbsd | those are facts |
| 18:52.18 | iNX | no one? |
| 18:52.27 | dannyp | I'm back and forth on operating systems |
| 18:52.32 | eeyore- | furbsd: "doesn't work" and "doesn't work well" are totally different. now, you want to work on the problems or not? |
| 18:52.43 | fken | is it normal that debconf dont install automatically xorg ? because when i updated and upgraded Debian before it installed xorg |
| 18:52.44 | dondelelcaro | iNX: that's not the actual error. Use the paster bot to paste the last 30 lines or so of the make run |
| 18:52.44 | nkuttler | iNX: read the requirements for the client |
| 18:52.50 | dannyp | I used debian from when hamm was stable, upgraded to slink, and tracked it for awhile |
| 18:52.54 | fbi | fken: xorg is in testing, so yes |
| 18:53.02 | furbsd | when i close the lid, it's not into sleep mode |
| 18:53.05 | fbi | fken it should install it |
| 18:53.13 | eeyore- | furbsd: run acpid |
| 18:53.21 | Lilldude_ | ewido |
| 18:53.31 | fken | fbi: strange my dist-upgrade is installing some XF86 files |
| 18:53.38 | dannyp | around 1999-2000 I switched to FreeBSD and that has been my main operating system on my personal desktop. I co-admin several debian boxes and recently re-added it as a second OS on my main desktop |
| 18:53.46 | dannyp | *shrug* they have their advantages and disadvantages |
| 18:54.05 | dannyp | I need to run to class. |
| 18:54.13 | iNX | so |
| 18:54.26 | iNX | if the module cpould made |
| 18:54.29 | iNX | i cant ruun it |
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| 18:55.42 | fken | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:55.42 | fken | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:55.59 | nkuttler | iNX: you don't run modules |
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| 18:56.18 | fken | someone to help me with that previous issue ? |
| 18:56.34 | nkuttler | fken: that's not the relevant error, look above |
| 18:57.12 | fken | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:57.20 | fken | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.26 | eeyore- | fken: generally, if you can't get a lock, some other thing is keeping a lock. did you actually "ps" and verify that you don't have any dpkg/apt-related packages still running? |
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| 18:57.54 | iNX | nkuttler |
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| 18:57.55 | iNX | ? |
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| 18:57.57 | iNX | w00t |
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| 18:58.09 | fken | ps return : ps and bash |
| 18:58.14 | psychonate | hmm 'apt-get updgrade' shows that a lot of packages have been kept back; I'm not sure why |
| 18:58.17 | eeyore- | fken: ps axfuw |
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| 18:58.58 | psychonate | I'm on testing right now; was there some major upgrade on an important package that I don't know about that might cause this? |
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| 18:59.17 | fken | eeyore-: too many things : what should i try to find ? |
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| 19:00.58 | Gokhan- | Salut ^^ |
| 19:01.06 | Gokhan- | Hello |
| 19:01.20 | fken | if I reboot will the issue goes away or should I reinstall linux debian ? I am kidding but it sarcastic... the amd64 release isnt very well finished |
| 19:01.41 | abrotman | fken: did oyu ask #debian-amd64 ? |
| 19:01.46 | fken | Gokhan hello here the main language is english but salut à toi aussi |
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| 19:02.28 | fken | abrotman: I wont go to amd64 each time there is a mistake like that : its a common issue not a specific 64 issue |
| 19:02.37 | abrotman | fken: is it sarge? |
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| 19:02.38 | chello | Hello.I installing shockwave flash player for konqueror.I need the installation path of konqueror.can anyone give me? |
| 19:03.01 | streuner | chello: dpkg -L konqueror |
| 19:03.23 | abrotman | fken: if it's amd64 pure64 sarge .. then you should be asking #debian-amd64 .. that was not an official debian release |
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| 19:03.35 | cheal | chello: there's no shockwave for linux |
| 19:03.44 | fken | abrotman : now its almost testing |
| 19:03.51 | fken | so reboot |
| 19:03.53 | abrotman | might as well go all the way |
| 19:04.11 | ma3x | hey |
| 19:04.20 | ma3x | can i do some kind of certificate for debian? |
| 19:04.23 | chello | cheal there is.i installed in my mozilla. |
| 19:04.28 | psychonate | Can someone help me find out why so many packages are being held back on my |
| 19:04.37 | psychonate | 'apt-get upgrade'? http://channels.debian.net/paste/744 |
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| 19:04.47 | nkuttler | psychonate: /msg dpkg held back |
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| 19:05.01 | cheal | chello: you must mean flash |
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| 19:05.47 | psychonate | nkuttler, I'm just not used to seeing sooo many held back. |
| 19:05.54 | chello | cheal yes. |
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| 19:06.01 | chello | flash player |
| 19:06.03 | nkuttler | psychonate: you don't use stable, do you? |
| 19:06.09 | psychonate | no |
| 19:06.12 | psychonate | testing |
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| 19:07.20 | psychonate | well, anyway, dist-upgrade looks like a good solution |
| 19:07.23 | psychonate | thanks for the tip |
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| 19:07.50 | fken | oh gosh i am dreaming ! i cannot install udev because udev isnt installed |
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| 19:08.02 | fken | hal require udev |
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| 19:08.24 | fken | removing hal will destruct another dependancie |
| 19:08.27 | abrotman | fken: welcome to testing .. it's known to be broken currently |
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| 19:08.57 | fken | abrotman:fuck testing today i lost 5 or 6 hours for nothing |
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| 19:09.16 | abrotman | fken: well . who said you should be running testing ? |
| 19:09.26 | abrotman | testing/unstable break .. |
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| 19:09.48 | fken | me |
| 19:09.48 | asmodaiii | hi |
| 19:09.56 | fken | i need kernel 2.6.12-1 |
| 19:10.08 | fken | the 2.69.8 isnt able to recognize my sound card |
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| 19:10.33 | beardy | ma3x: The only one I know about is http://www.lpi.org/en/home.html but not Debian-specific. |
| 19:10.37 | asmodaiii | apt-get install hal |
| 19:10.48 | abrotman | fken: did you even think to try to get just the kernel package from testing ? |
| 19:11.10 | abrotman | apt-file would suck on a modem |
| 19:11.59 | fken | abrotman: i everytime try testing release : its my release but the amd64 isnt good |
| 19:12.38 | abrotman | fken: then complain to #debian-amd64 .. they're responsible fro it .. and i'm sure would glady appreciate bug reports |
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| 19:13.51 | fken | abrotman:complaining. who is able to listen usefully to my issues |
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| 19:14.15 | abrotman | fken: they might know exactly how to solve it |
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| 19:15.56 | fken | abrotman: if they are there... |
| 19:16.01 | sandman | If I build most things into the kernel, but they are unused, will the memory they'd normally occupy be "freed"? |
| 19:16.09 | sandman | iirc, a smaller kernel is a faster one |
| 19:16.25 | abrotman | fken: and they are |
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| 19:16.58 | fken | everything are changing here : since linux is reconfiguring everything since i remove hal and gnome volume manager |
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| 19:18.08 | beardy | sandman: A smaller kernel is faster, at least requires less memory, yes. |
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| 19:18.43 | cheal | !shockwave |
| 19:18.43 | dpkg | If you are happy with non-free, binary only plugins then you can get Shockwave Flash support in mozilla browser variants by installing flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:18.55 | cheal | dpkg: no, shockwave is <reply> Macromedia Shockwave Player is non-free software not available for GNU/Linux. For "Shockwave Flash" (Flash), ask me about flash |
| 19:18.55 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
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| 19:19.04 | cheal | bbl |
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| 19:19.58 | fken | abrotman: ill see for now debconf is usable now |
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| 19:20.35 | fken | abrotman : i wrote the names of the programs i removed |
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| 19:22.24 | chello | can someone tell me whats going on in my firefox installation:when i execute the command ./firefox,i receive a message error that says: |
| 19:22.46 | chello | chello:/home/chello/firefox# ./firefox |
| 19:22.46 | chello | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by serverXlib: No protocol specified (firefox-bin:4316): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 19:23.08 | vagabund | !hal |
| 19:23.08 | dpkg | well, hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
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| 19:23.32 | lakcaj | chello, why are you trying to run firefox as root? |
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| 19:23.49 | chello | shouldn´t i? |
| 19:23.56 | lakcaj | chello, no |
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| 19:23.59 | chello | why |
| 19:24.17 | lakcaj | because that gives firefox write access to your entire machine |
| 19:24.36 | chello | i see. |
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| 19:24.54 | Gathond | lakcaj: which is something a browser should not have (especially in these times of exploits aplenty) |
| 19:25.03 | chello | do u know how should i proceed to finish instalattion? |
| 19:25.10 | lakcaj | chello, are you logged into gnome as root? That would also be a big mistake. |
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| 19:25.31 | chello | lakcaj,i logged as an user |
| 19:25.35 | chello | kde |
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| 19:25.38 | Gathond | lakcaj: ahhh sorry, thought you were the one running it :) |
| 19:25.39 | riley | Is there a command like in widnows ipconfig release, so that I can get a dhcp ip from my isqp on box B that is currently held by box A ? Or would stopping /e/init.d/networking accomplish the same? |
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| 19:25.43 | fken | i am back |
| 19:25.45 | lakcaj | Gathond, np |
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| 19:26.11 | lakcaj | chello, what's wrong with firefox in the repo? apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 19:26.14 | fken | And I have the first good new ! with the 2.6.12-1 kernel, sound appears |
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| 19:26.36 | chello | i could do that,but i want the newest firefox version |
| 19:26.41 | chello | 1.5 |
| 19:26.43 | chello | beta |
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| 19:26.55 | cbr | chello: 1.5 is in the experimental repo |
| 19:27.19 | lakcaj | chello, what happens when you try to run it as a normal user? |
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| 19:27.34 | chello | could that be an error of firefox?i mean,the message error that i pasted in this chat? |
| 19:27.45 | lakcaj | chello, by default, root cannot open windows on your display. |
| 19:27.55 | chello | i?l try to run as normal user.one moment |
| 19:28.43 | chello | i get this error message :(firefox-bin:4344): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 19:30.14 | deadcat | my xorg log file is giving me EE on synaptics driver. what do i do? the mouse it not moving. |
| 19:30.21 | chello | do u know what that means? |
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| 19:31.26 | Anthro | deadcat: You have a synaptics touchpad? |
| 19:32.03 | lakcaj | chello, normally, that means that you don't have permission to open a new window. Do you have all the deps that firefox needs? ie. do you have any gtk apps, etc. |
| 19:32.16 | Anthro | !u |
| 19:32.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:32.31 | ryan_ | hello, is there any way to check what license installed packages are covered under? |
| 19:32.38 | deadcat | Anthro: its a powerbook. but we dont really care about the synaptic mouse. we just want to mouse to move. |
| 19:33.06 | Anthro | deadcat: Okay. Do you have any idea what device it's on? |
| 19:33.21 | jkern | ryan_, /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 19:33.31 | deadcat | Anthro: should be /dev/input/mice. |
| 19:34.01 | Anthro | deadcat: Have you verified by running cat /dev/input/mice and moving the mouse around? |
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| 19:34.20 | lakcaj | gotta go |
| 19:34.21 | deadcat | Anthro: ya. it doesnt display anything and the mouse doesnt move |
| 19:34.24 | chello | lakcaj |
| 19:34.42 | Anthro | deadcat: Sounds like you don't have a driver recognizing it. |
| 19:34.48 | chello | i have have just downloaded libgtk2.0-dev |
| 19:34.57 | chello | should work with this |
| 19:34.59 | Anthro | deadcat: apt-get install cpad-kernel-source |
| 19:35.04 | deadcat | Anthro: its built into the kernel. |
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| 19:35.06 | chello | but still the same error message |
| 19:35.08 | deadcat | Anthro: what cpad? |
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| 19:35.24 | Anthro | deadcat: It's the synaptics driver. I don't believe it's built into the kernel. |
| 19:35.28 | ryan_ | jkern, I need a way to go through with a shell script and find the licenses of everything on my system |
| 19:35.31 | deadcat | Anthro: cool |
| 19:35.39 | joe_ | I need help setting up FTP server on ubuntu |
| 19:35.51 | joe_ | can anyone give me guide |
| 19:35.56 | joe_ | a guide |
| 19:35.57 | lakcaj | chello, you don't need -dev. I would just apt-get install mozilla-firefox, and then see if you beta firefox works. If it does, apt-get remove mozilla-firefox will remove the old firefox, but will not get rid of the required deps. |
| 19:35.58 | beardy | joe_: Google can. |
| 19:35.59 | Ether_Man | joe_: This isnt #ubuntu.. go there.. |
| 19:36.08 | joe_ | lol |
| 19:36.09 | ryan_ | I'm working on a commercial system based on debian and I want to make sure I'm compliant with all the licenses. |
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| 19:36.17 | jkern | ryan_, well that would be fun but I think I will just point you to the files in /usr/share/doc |
| 19:36.27 | lakcaj | chello, but that might not even be what the problem is. |
| 19:36.29 | chello | lakcaj iwll try that...thanks |
| 19:36.39 | joe_ | i know , it is debian, which is the same as ubuntu |
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| 19:36.49 | beardy | !ubuntu |
| 19:36.49 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 19:36.52 | beardy | !based on debian |
| 19:36.52 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 19:36.53 | deadcat | Anthro: ok. let me build it now. |
| 19:36.56 | valdyn | @based on debian |
| 19:37.04 | Anthro | ryan_: As long as you are not using anything from non-free or contrib you should be fine. |
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| 19:37.58 | Ether_Man | joe_: No.. Ubuntu is based on debian.. not IS debian.. |
| 19:38.42 | quiet | I want to try Libranet... |
| 19:38.43 | quiet | lol |
| 19:38.53 | quiet | i DON'T want to pay for it though.. |
| 19:39.00 | beardy | Go ahead. Ask #libranet when you get stuck. |
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| 19:39.06 | quiet | LOL |
| 19:39.18 | valdyn | !fgi joe_ ubuntu ftp server setup |
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| 19:39.20 | dpkg | joe_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ubuntu ftp server setup |
| 19:39.37 | valdyn | !fgi joe_ ubuntu+ftp+server+setup |
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| 19:39.38 | dpkg | joe_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ubuntu+ftp+server+setup |
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| 19:41.00 | hans0lo | valdyn: LOL @ f'ing google |
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| 19:41.52 | Anthro | !lol |
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| 19:41.53 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 19:42.18 | vagabund | !sex |
| 19:42.18 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 19:42.22 | kerny404 | dpkg: heh you're right |
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| 19:42.46 | deadcat | Anthro: what do i do after compiling/install/loaded the module? restart x? |
| 19:42.55 | valdyn | !heh |
| 19:42.55 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. Or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh |
| 19:43.10 | dondelelcaro | please, use /msg to play with the bot |
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| 19:43.28 | Anthro | deadcat: You will need to load the kernel module with modprobe. I don't remember exactly what it is, but you should be able to find it in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
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| 19:44.03 | deadcat | Anthro: i loaded the module already. |
| 19:44.12 | vagabund | dondelelcaro: sorry |
| 19:44.25 | Anthro | deadcat: Ah, good. So now try the cat and mouse movement and see if you get anything. |
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| 19:45.41 | Anthro | !2.6.13 |
| 19:45.42 | dpkg | methinks 2.6.13 is ask me about 2.6 or read this thread <http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/09/msg00217.html> to find out why it isn't available yet |
| 19:46.46 | abrotman | debian sucks! |
| 19:46.51 | RichiH | abrotman: heh |
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| 19:47.39 | dli_ | x11_request_forwarding: bad authentication data: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 |
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| 19:48.35 | mik3 | any ideas why freebsd would be keeping my computer from booting the cdrom first so i can install this debian os? |
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| 19:48.54 | valdyn | mik3: checked your bios yet? |
| 19:48.58 | mik3 | yah |
| 19:49.03 | deadcat | Anthro: cpad is also /dev/input/mice ? |
| 19:49.06 | deadcat | Anthro: doesnt work. |
| 19:49.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: we are having problem with the mouse on a powerbook. not moving |
| 19:49.24 | valdyn | mik3: you can be sure that this has nothing to do with bsd |
| 19:49.30 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: using 2.6.12-1-powerpc |
| 19:49.39 | Anthro | deadcat: Try loading mousedev and maybe psmouse and see if /dev/psaux has it. |
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| 19:49.43 | mdupont | hi all |
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| 19:49.51 | mik3 | well i booted solaris and fbsd on the same machine before actually installing freebsd |
| 19:49.55 | neilc | i want to introduce a new alternative via update-alternatives --install |
| 19:49.58 | mdupont | how can i get a screenshot of the screen with the keyboard? |
| 19:50.01 | mik3 | so i know it's not my hardware configuration |
| 19:50.05 | deadcat | Anthro: no mousedev, the mouse driver should be compiled into the kernel (ppc) |
| 19:50.07 | neilc | i've tried a few variations on the syntax but nothing seems to work |
| 19:50.18 | neilc | does someone know the right syntax offhand? |
| 19:50.18 | valdyn | mik3: its your bios. |
| 19:50.20 | Anthro | deadcat: Are you using a Debian stock kernel? |
| 19:50.22 | mik3 | doubtful |
| 19:50.29 | neilc | ' update-alternatives --verbose --install /usr/bin/java java $HOME/local/java/bin/java 5' doesn't work, for example |
| 19:50.34 | deadcat | Anthro: yes. CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV=y |
| 19:50.38 | mik3 | i've combed through it, cdrom is set first bootable |
| 19:50.39 | valdyn | mik3: your bios controls what it loads to boot anything. |
| 19:50.49 | deadcat | Anthro: and so is PSAUX=y |
| 19:51.19 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: do you see any output when you cat /dev/mouse/input and move the mouse? |
| 19:51.39 | takatumi | mdupont: try scrot |
| 19:51.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: nothing. the mouse just stay in the middle of the screen |
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| 19:52.06 | Anthro | deadcat: On my PPC machine, psmouse is a loadable module. |
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| 19:52.18 | deadcat | Anthro: i just loaded that module as well and still dont work |
| 19:52.31 | quiet | i'm having unmet dependancy failures trying to install xlibs-dev or libgtk2.0-dev |
| 19:52.36 | Anthro | deadcat: Did you check /dev/psaux? |
| 19:52.41 | deadcat | Anthro: no go either |
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| 19:52.54 | valdyn | quiet: in sid? |
| 19:52.58 | quiet | lots of "Depends: xxxx but it is not going to be installed" |
| 19:52.59 | quiet | Sarge |
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| 19:53.02 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: /dev/input/mice should have loads of output if the mouse driver is working properly |
| 19:53.08 | Anthro | deadcat: So if you cat /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux and move the mouse you get no output whatsoever? |
| 19:53.16 | deadcat | Anthro: nope |
| 19:53.34 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: just the stock debian kernel. here |
| 19:54.01 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hrm... well, it works fine here with 2.6.12.4 |
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| 19:54.09 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: this on a powerbook g4 400 |
| 19:54.09 | valdyn | quiet: the libgtk2.0-dev version you are trying to install is ? |
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| 19:54.26 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: powerbook g4 1.6g here. |
| 19:54.40 | quiet | umm.. not sure.. how do i check the exact version? |
| 19:54.41 | abrotman | bah .. i have a G5 powerbook |
| 19:54.45 | abrotman | bunch of weenies |
| 19:54.50 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: with CONFIG_MAC_EMUMOUSEBTN=y; CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSE{,DEV}=y |
| 19:54.54 | mdupont | takatumi: thanks |
| 19:54.58 | Anthro | abrotman: How are the burns on your crotch healing? |
| 19:55.07 | dondelelcaro | (no psaux) |
| 19:55.13 | dondelelcaro | (or ps2) |
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| 19:55.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. |
| 19:55.30 | valdyn | quiet: apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev |
| 19:55.40 | abrotman | Anthro: you know .. not sure if you watch American Dad .. but .. they covered taht topic this week |
| 19:55.54 | quiet | 2.6.4-3 |
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| 19:56.02 | quiet | from pair |
| 19:56.09 | quiet | stable/mail |
| 19:56.12 | quiet | main* |
| 19:56.13 | Anthro | abrotman: I haven't watched Sunday's episode yet. It should be on my TiVo. |
| 19:56.17 | takatumi | abrotman: what was the essence? |
| 19:56.27 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i have MOUSEDEV=y MOUSEDEV_PSAUX=y INPUT_MOUSE=y MOUSE_PS2=m on this kernel |
| 19:56.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: USB_MOUSE is not set though. |
| 19:56.45 | valdyn | !info libgtk2.0-dev sarge |
| 19:57.08 | dondelelcaro | hrm... well, you shouldn't need MOUSEDEV_PSAUX or USB_MOUSE... although, on this kernel it uses the wierd ADB layer... can't remember if that is actually needed |
| 19:57.40 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: did you compile your own? let me get the .config and we compile it now |
| 19:57.50 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yes; sure... just a second... |
| 19:57.59 | neilc | i want to introduce a new alternative via update-alternatives --install |
| 19:58.02 | neilc | i've tried a few variations on the syntax but nothing seems to work |
| 19:58.04 | neilc | ' update-alternatives --verbose --install /usr/bin/java java $HOME/local/java/bin/java 5' doesn't work, for example |
| 19:58.07 | neilc | does someone know the right syntax offhand? |
| 19:58.19 | quiet | valdyn, kind of odd egh? |
| 19:58.19 | valdyn | quiet: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere, paste one dependency that cannot be fullfilled somewhere ( not here ) |
| 19:58.21 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I can even let you have the kernel package if you want it... |
| 19:58.23 | mdupont | takatumi: how can i bind this to the print key? that is a great tool but i need to have this for a windows users |
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| 19:58.29 | quiet | okay hold on |
| 19:58.34 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. let me get that (= |
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| 19:58.53 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you have the headers too right? |
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| 20:00.00 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nah, but you can get them |
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| 20:00.21 | quiet | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/369304 |
| 20:00.24 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/powerbook/ |
| 20:00.27 | deadcat | k |
| 20:00.38 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: the kernel.deb has the .config; and I stuck the mol modules there too |
| 20:00.43 | quiet | valdyn, i have security commented out until it is fixed. |
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| 20:00.51 | karl_ | udev does not find my dvb - ss2 How can I fix it ? |
| 20:00.54 | chobit_luv | ? |
| 20:00.55 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thanks. but what if i want to compile other drivers? |
| 20:01.13 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: if you want to compile other drivers, you're probably going to want to just start with the .config anyway |
| 20:01.27 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. ok. but lets test the kernel first. |
| 20:01.56 | valdyn | quiet: 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade', paste the output before you hit 'Y' |
| 20:02.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what sthe button to press so the apple bong doesnt go off? i am in the lab right now. |
| 20:02.28 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: just stick something in the headphone jack |
| 20:02.34 | deadcat | oh ya |
| 20:02.37 | quiet | valdyn, nothing to do |
| 20:02.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: but we dont have any. |
| 20:02.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: *shrug* bong away |
| 20:03.03 | deadcat | damn |
| 20:03.06 | deadcat | hella load |
| 20:03.28 | dondelelcaro | it may not bong if you had the speaker volume all the way down, but I really can't remember |
| 20:03.29 | mz_work | neilc: something like: update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/java java /usr/bin/java 6 |
| 20:03.39 | neilc | mz_work: thanks |
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| 20:03.47 | jayeola | hello chaps |
| 20:04.19 | valdyn | quiet: ok, step down the dependency tree : try to install deps individually, like apt-get install libxext-dev |
| 20:04.38 | riley | Is there a command like in widnows ipconfig release, so that I can get a dhcp ip from my isp on box B that is currently held by box A ? Or would stopping /etc/init.d/networking accomplish the same? |
| 20:05.24 | RichiH | i need a suggestion for a short game |
| 20:05.31 | yoo | with what package can i have this : |
| 20:05.33 | yoo | sdl, sdl_net, sdl_image |
| 20:05.36 | jayeola | space invaders? |
| 20:05.38 | yoo | please |
| 20:05.41 | vagabund | !udev |
| 20:05.41 | dpkg | it has been said that udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 20:05.48 | stew | RichiH: m-x gomoku |
| 20:05.50 | RichiH | jayeola: naa |
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| 20:06.15 | jayeola | powermanga? |
| 20:06.19 | RichiH | stew: the bsdgames one? |
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| 20:06.40 | quiet | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/369317 |
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| 20:06.55 | stew | RichiH: in emacs |
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| 20:07.16 | stew | RichiH: its basically, get 5 in a row against the computer |
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| 20:07.27 | dsfas | hello? |
| 20:07.31 | dsfas | linux fags? |
| 20:07.31 | RichiH | stew: this system does not and never will have emacs :) |
| 20:07.32 | dsfas | oops |
| 20:07.33 | dsfas | nevermind |
| 20:07.37 | RichiH | dsfas: .. |
| 20:07.45 | dsfas | ignore my commemnts |
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| 20:08.06 | valdyn | !info libxext6 sarge |
| 20:08.09 | nazgul | ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/libxml2mod.so: undefined symbol: xmlParseURIRaw |
| 20:08.22 | valdyn | quiet: looks to me like your mirror is broken.. hold on |
| 20:08.31 | gozz | a |
| 20:08.34 | nazgul | (Debian testing) |
| 20:08.42 | dpkg | libxext6: (X Window System miscellaneous extension library), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 (sarge), Packaged size: 183 kB, Installed size: 368 kB |
| 20:09.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you dont have the initrd.img line? and i forgot to remove that line in yaboot )= |
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| 20:10.04 | yoo | i find the packet SDL |
| 20:10.11 | valdyn | quiet: ok, you need to reenable your security update line in sources.list |
| 20:10.12 | yoo | please help me |
| 20:10.28 | gozz | with k3b i can read cds but when i want to burn one it says "k3b did not find a suitable writer could somone tell me why? |
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| 20:10.42 | valdyn | quiet: otherwise you would have to downgrade from that Xfree security upgrade, which i dont recommend |
| 20:10.47 | ralf | neiljp: vncserver is broken on 64 bit? |
| 20:10.54 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: there is no initrd in that kernel |
| 20:11.19 | neiljp | ralf: seems to be |
| 20:11.24 | ralf | amd64? |
| 20:11.24 | neiljp | ralf: at least, on amd64 |
| 20:11.33 | quiet | okay i'll try that |
| 20:11.42 | neiljp | now having to install loads of cruft into the chroot, just to run it |
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| 20:12.17 | dli_ | Why I got Xauthority problems with doing "ssh -X" |
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| 20:13.01 | valdyn | vino works, vncviewer works ( on amd64 |
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| 20:13.07 | neiljp | ralf: well, its tightvncserver, I think, but I've not got the rest working |
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| 20:13.36 | andre_m | is there a db that sais when (unstable) repositories are updated? |
| 20:13.50 | carlinhos | hi, has someone configured a cashdrawer in linux? i have a question. thanks |
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| 20:14.11 | andre_m | i check it daily from time to time starting at 22:00 cet, but sometimes it's not until hours later.. |
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| 20:14.27 | badspiri1 | hi |
| 20:14.33 | quiet | blah.. this is why i disabled the security repo.. it doesn't sync.. just times out.. |
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| 20:14.53 | neiljp | valdyn: lucky for you :| |
| 20:15.04 | valdyn | quiet: you have 2 lines there, doesnt the german mirror work? |
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| 20:15.33 | vagabund | !hotplug |
| 20:15.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover |
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| 20:15.42 | quiet | i tried it earlier.. but it was missing a bunch of stuff. |
| 20:15.45 | abrotman | bosses are stupid |
| 20:15.48 | neiljp | argh |
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| 20:15.55 | abrotman | !wb dondelelcaro |
| 20:15.57 | thingfish | boy that's a poorly written factoid. |
| 20:15.57 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dondelelcaro has returned! |
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| 20:16.16 | abrotman | thingfish: fix it! |
| 20:16.18 | jjazz | abrotman: You're not in NYC are you? |
| 20:16.27 | SpinX | http://pastebin.com/369327 < I get that on alot of programs. |
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| 20:16.31 | kEpEx | the asterisk-addons needs mysql.h to compile anyone knows what install?? i'm using debian sarge |
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| 20:16.39 | gozz | it has the /dev/hdc in the setup why wont it find it when i go to burn a disc? |
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| 20:16.47 | stew | kEpEx: apt-get build-dep pkgname |
| 20:16.59 | valdyn | quiet: try again, or go to /var/cache/apt/archives/, the old versions of each package should still be there. ( need to know what you're going however ) |
| 20:17.08 | stew | kEpEx: or apt-file search mysql.h |
| 20:17.11 | vagabund | !coldplug |
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| 20:17.25 | abrotman | jjazz: why? .. i'm close .. why do you ask? |
| 20:17.32 | abrotman | close is a relative term |
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| 20:17.54 | absolutzero | I have a question: Does anyone know of a good guide for setting up solid-pop3d? |
| 20:17.56 | jjazz | abrotman: I have two tickets to tonight's Yankee game. I know you're a Red Sox fan, but if you're interested, I can give them to you. |
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| 20:18.01 | kEpEx | stew: thanks i'll try that :) |
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| 20:18.24 | abrotman | jjazz: they're not playing the sox .. but i know someone else in the channel thatm ight be interested .. |
| 20:18.27 | abrotman | jjazz: i'm outside philly |
| 20:18.29 | SpinX | trying to install jre1.4 for limewire. |
| 20:18.30 | thingfish | dpkg: hotplug is used to detect devices that are plugged into a running system (USB/IDE). http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/, or see discover. |
| 20:18.30 | dpkg | ...but hotplug is already something else... |
| 20:18.34 | jjazz | abrotman: They're playing the O's. |
| 20:18.40 | abrotman | jjazz: they will win! |
| 20:18.41 | stew | SpinX: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 20:18.49 | quiet | valdyn, i tried again.. and it seems like it's working.. |
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| 20:19.02 | abrotman | thingfish: no blah is |
| 20:19.03 | jjazz | abrotman: Anyway, I can't use them and I don't want them to go to waste. None of my friends has jumped on them either, so they're pretty much up for grabs. |
| 20:19.06 | quiet | downlaoding a bunch of stuff.. i guess we'll see if anything fail. |
| 20:19.14 | stew | hmm |
| 20:19.16 | neiljp | ok, here's a quickie: which package contains the 'fixed' font? I installed xfonts-100* for vnc, but it seems to want a fixed font, which doesn't appear in a file according to the online search tool ! :( |
| 20:19.20 | absolutzero | or the name of a well documened pop3 daemon, with step by step setup instructions? |
| 20:19.27 | abrotman | now .. who do i know in nyc who might want to go to a baseball game? |
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| 20:19.42 | abrotman | muddy mudskipper .. it's muddy .. mudskipper ! |
| 20:19.57 | abrotman | jjazz: if i were closer i'd go |
| 20:20.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: how do we fix the yaboot thing? we just booted into ubuntu live. |
| 20:20.15 | daveyq | Hi, does anyone know why my dell inspiron 6000 suddenly hangs when it starts starting processes on the boot (postfix in this case), for any kernel? |
| 20:20.20 | stew | jjazz: i'd take them |
| 20:20.21 | daveyq | I use debian unstable |
| 20:20.24 | jjazz | abrotman: I hear ya. If my gf hadn't gotten tickets to a play, I'd go. |
| 20:21.02 | jjazz | stew: They're all yours. They're bleacher seats, so it's not exactly luxury box, just so you know. Priv msg me your email addy and I'll email them to you. |
| 20:21.05 | jbragnar | neiljp: try xfonts-base or xfonts-scalable |
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| 20:21.22 | abrotman | jjazz: oh .. gf/play .. or baseball .. if you skip play .. you'd get laid next .. around xmas ? |
| 20:21.23 | soares | hey ne one here |
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| 20:21.38 | soares | where can i get debian sarge dvd iso version |
| 20:21.38 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: nevermind. got it. now lets see if it boots |
| 20:21.42 | ircops | no |
| 20:21.42 | stew | if i get these tickets, it might bet me laid :) |
| 20:21.46 | jjazz | abrotman: ha! Actually, she loves baseball, but she's been wanting these tickets for a long time. |
| 20:21.50 | ircops | no one here |
| 20:21.50 | ircops | soryr |
| 20:21.50 | ircops | sorry even |
| 20:21.51 | jjazz | stew: they're yours |
| 20:21.51 | jbragnar | anyone here know what the situation is on security.debian.org? |
| 20:21.54 | stew | since my wife is the baseball fan in this relationship :) |
| 20:21.55 | soares | hellooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:22.02 | jjazz | stew: Is she a Yankee fan? |
| 20:22.10 | stew | she's an anybody but yankee's fan |
| 20:22.13 | suspro | helloooooo |
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| 20:22.19 | ircops | 734 people in the damn channel, and you ask if anybody is here? |
| 20:22.34 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: kernel panic |
| 20:22.34 | valdyn | suspro: shut up, http://www.debian.org/ has all you need |
| 20:22.39 | dondelelcaro | Soliah: debian.org/CD |
| 20:22.44 | csmiller | what was fixed in DS-186 (xlibs) ? |
| 20:22.44 | jjazz | stew: The seats are with the bleacher creatures, the most hardcord Yankee fans around. They're famous. This should be fun for you, assuming you survive. ;) |
| 20:22.47 | dondelelcaro | s/soliah/suspro/ |
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| 20:23.10 | csmiller | the security mailing list is referencing it, but doesn't have the advisory itself. |
| 20:23.16 | stew | jjazz: my wife knows how to keep quiet after spending a few playoff seasons in the local pubs :) |
| 20:23.24 | jjazz | heh |
| 20:23.42 | stew | jjazz: she'll be psyched if we can get there by the time the call outs start in the first inning |
| 20:23.45 | Dave-B | jbragnar: XFree86 updates = bandwidth saturation |
| 20:23.49 | dondelelcaro | csmiller: 816; the dsa is being held back until there's enough bandwidth to deal withit |
| 20:24.08 | fl | hi there |
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| 20:24.38 | fl | security.debian.org seems to be not serving http? |
| 20:24.39 | jbragnar | Dave-B: i saw that email message. thx. Is it improving? |
| 20:24.39 | ircops | hello |
| 20:24.41 | jjazz | stew: Awesome. I love the roll call. |
| 20:24.43 | ircops | fl: topic |
| 20:24.49 | carlinhos | whats the meaning of lol? |
| 20:24.54 | jjazz | !lol |
| 20:24.54 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 20:25.03 | csmiller | dondelelecaro - I manged to download it last night, but haven't applied it (apt-get -duy dist-upgrade). it seemed rather large so I'm a bit hesitent to install it |
| 20:25.04 | Nukeador | hi |
| 20:25.08 | ircops | TOPIC TOPIC TOPIC TOPIC TOPIC TOPIC TOPIC TOPIC |
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| 20:25.09 | carlinhos | mmm |
| 20:25.11 | jbroome | i love this bot |
| 20:25.14 | fl | oooops |
| 20:25.21 | dli_ | how to let X to handle Xauthority auto? |
| 20:25.35 | BiBe | hi, when i log in to my debian system via bash, i'd like to have the letters of my username on the left in green colors, but when i switch in su mode, it should become red. i searched in the .bashrc but could'nt find the trick... |
| 20:25.45 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: could the mouse doesnt work because of HID not claim by anything blah blah? |
| 20:25.52 | ircops | dpkg: good bot |
| 20:25.53 | dpkg | Thank You! |
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| 20:25.56 | fl | is there a way to tell apt-get to increase the network timeout? |
| 20:26.00 | csmiller | BiBe - look at ansi escape sequences |
| 20:26.01 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: unlikely... |
| 20:26.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: why did the kernel panic? |
| 20:26.10 | JoshH | BiBe: you need to edit root's .bashrc also |
| 20:26.12 | Dave-B | jbragnar: I guess If you can download, yes. If you can't, no. |
| 20:26.19 | csmiller | csmiller Google will tell you what the colour codes are |
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| 20:26.30 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: no clue. |
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| 20:26.56 | jbragnar | Dave-B: heh, that much i figured out. and no, it's timing out. |
| 20:27.05 | csmiller | why do you want to unmount the root file system - if you need to fsck it, remount read-only. |
| 20:27.28 | neiljp | jbragnar: cheers :) |
| 20:27.46 | Dave-B | jbragnar: bummer :-( |
| 20:27.53 | Nukeador | when my sys try to load gnome on statup it said that it couldn't load the X server. I tried to conf it again with no results |
| 20:28.04 | BiBe | thx for the hints, i'll try |
| 20:28.09 | jbragnar | neiljp: np :) hope it worked |
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| 20:29.14 | jjazz | Nukeador: you probably need to config your x server differently. Perhaps by hand. |
| 20:29.25 | Nukeador | i did it |
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| 20:29.36 | csmiller | nukeador - did you start X and gnome at the same time? or did gnome fail to talk to X |
| 20:29.41 | carlinhos | Nukeador, tu nombre suena a español |
| 20:29.46 | Nukeador | lo es |
| 20:30.12 | Nukeador | it said that the X server couldn't load |
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| 20:30.37 | Julie1 | hey all! |
| 20:30.42 | jjazz | Nukeador: What happens when you do startx? |
| 20:31.02 | Nukeador | a error msg appeared and back to the console |
| 20:31.33 | jjazz | Nukeador: What's the error message? |
| 20:31.55 | Nukeador | it said that the X server couldn't load |
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| 20:32.03 | Nukeador | and maybe is a conf problem |
| 20:32.07 | carlinhos | Nukeador, puede ser el raton, la velocidad de refresco de la pantalla, el driver, el teclado ... |
| 20:32.19 | csmiller | the full text please. It will tell use what went wrong, or where to look |
| 20:32.29 | Julie1 | i've got quite an odd question... i'm using debian mips on an au db1100 board. I have a problem with my touchscreen only dumping data in /dev/input/ts1 the first time i hit the screen... after that nothing happens |
| 20:32.38 | Julie1 | does anyone have a clue...? |
| 20:32.57 | Nukeador | the thing is that everything go right before installing the ATI driver |
| 20:32.59 | tuv | kde can't install.. it requires kdegraphics, which requires kamera, which requires but cannot install libexif10.. is there a solution? (debian-testing) |
| 20:32.59 | jbroome | nope |
| 20:34.01 | neiljp | jbragnar: did, once I installed a wm in the chroot and realised it was actually working :) |
| 20:34.38 | Julie1 | question: does noone have an answer or am i on a queue? |
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| 20:35.07 | csmiller | no queue here, julie1. I assume no one knows :-{ |
| 20:35.07 | peterS | Julie1: your hardware is obscure enough that I imagine nobody knows the answer here |
| 20:35.21 | Julie1 | yea peter... this is kinda my last resort |
| 20:35.30 | Julie1 | i've been banging my head against the wall for the last week |
| 20:35.49 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: fuser -v /dev/input/mice shows that Xorg is using it already. |
| 20:35.55 | Julie1 | the programmers where i work couldn't figure it out.. so they appointed me (lowly network administrator) to figure out how it works |
| 20:36.01 | Julie1 | thing we should blame the hardware guy :P |
| 20:36.02 | peterS | Julie1: yeah, and it's probably not debian-specific. if you can find other forums concerning the linux kernel or linux-mips you might try those |
| 20:36.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: right, it should be... but you should still get output if you cat it |
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| 20:36.18 | Julie1 | nah its not debian specific... and the reason i'm trying debian |
| 20:36.20 | Julie1 | is because |
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| 20:36.25 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh true. but its not outputing )= |
| 20:36.36 | Julie1 | debian is kinda the only distribution offering a stable solution to thing |
| 20:36.50 | peterS | right, I guess that's probably true |
| 20:36.51 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, something is probably wrong with the driver then.. |
| 20:36.53 | Bodi-San | hi everyone |
| 20:37.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: assuming you've got everything enabled in your kernel that I had in mine |
| 20:37.18 | dli_ | how to let "ls -d" to let all dirs but not files? |
| 20:37.19 | Julie1 | so *shrugs* i'm grabbing the towel... hugging it for a while and then throwing it in the ring :P lol |
| 20:37.36 | peterS | Julie1: touch screens are cool, I kind of wish I had hardware just to play with it, but I don't ... and probably the same with everyone else active on channel |
| 20:37.46 | csmiller | dli - find -type -d --max-depth=1 should work |
| 20:37.49 | Julie1 | well it works perfectly on x86 |
| 20:37.55 | tuv | kde can't install.. it requires kdegraphics, which requires kamera, which requires but cannot install libexif10.. is there a solution? (debian-testing) |
| 20:37.57 | dli_ | csmiller: thanks |
| 20:38.11 | peterS | that's a bit weird then |
| 20:38.12 | jjazz | peterS: my arm gets tired holding my cell phone to my head. I imagine a touch screen would get old really fast. |
| 20:38.16 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: so this is a kernel thing. not xorg thing right? |
| 20:38.29 | Bodi-San | I've got a few problems... or maybe just a problem and a few things that I don't know how to do. The first one, and the biggest one is probably hardware-related, I can't get the movies to work, everytime I try so Gnome or KDE crashes |
| 20:38.35 | Julie1 | yea its either a mips or alchemy thing... |
| 20:38.37 | peterS | jjazz: right, well, you wouldn't want to use it for serious computer use. just for specific applications |
| 20:38.48 | peterS | right, you'd think the driver would be pretty much completely architecture-agnostic |
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| 20:39.00 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yes |
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| 20:39.06 | Julie1 | only frustration i have is that i don't know how /dev/input/ts1 gets its data |
| 20:39.19 | Julie1 | because on x86 it gets filled whenever i plug the device in |
| 20:39.19 | fken | see ya night everyone |
| 20:39.22 | Julie1 | and on mips it doesnt |
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| 20:39.27 | valdyn | Bodi-San: which movie players are crashing your gnome / kde ? |
| 20:39.27 | jjazz | peterS: right... kiosks and ATMs and such. At home... maybe for that terminal I've always wanted in my kitchen to surf recipe sites. :) |
| 20:39.35 | csmiller | dli_ the command is "find . -maxdepth 1 -type d" |
| 20:39.38 | peterS | jjazz: the one they promised us in the 1950s? |
| 20:39.44 | Julie1 | so i'd like to know how data gets dumped to /dev/input/whatever |
| 20:39.51 | dli_ | csmiller: right :) |
| 20:39.53 | Julie1 | but thats kinda hard to find :\ |
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| 20:40.00 | dna_ | how do you update locate ?? |
| 20:40.04 | jjazz | peterS: yup. And I want it to make martinis, dammit! |
| 20:40.05 | dna_ | mines more than 8 day sold |
| 20:40.05 | Bodi-San | all of them, I tried everything I found in debian |
| 20:40.14 | valdyn | Bodi-San: names |
| 20:40.18 | peterS | Julie1: /dev/input/* is generally done through the input layer, which is module 'input', with help from input layer frontends like 'mousedev', 'evdev' and such. I am not sure about /dev/input/ts* though. |
| 20:40.18 | csmiller | dli_ the Linux ls command doesn't have the MS-Windows /o: flags |
| 20:40.39 | dli_ | csmiller: I think it's better to use some GUI file manager here, through X-Window |
| 20:40.56 | vagabund | Julie1: can I ask you for a joyride ;) |
| 20:41.02 | peterS | Julie1: ahh, the 'tsdev' kernel module is the frontend for that. however, *that* has to get its data from a hardware-specific driver |
| 20:41.04 | Julie1 | the /dev/input/ts* is just udev making a mknod for the device |
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| 20:41.11 | Julie1 | is what i figure |
| 20:41.18 | Julie1 | but |
| 20:41.31 | takatumi | mdupont: xbindkeys maybe |
| 20:41.31 | azeem | vagabund: huh? |
| 20:41.50 | peterS | Julie1: so what kind of touchscreen is this? is it specific to your mips board, or is it the same thing you're plugging in to the i386? |
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| 20:41.54 | Julie1 | what makes it so the major and minor numbers decide that 'this is the touchscreen' |
| 20:41.58 | csmiller | dli - konqueror can act as a "MS-Windows explorer" style file browser |
| 20:42.04 | Bodi-San | kaboodle, noatun , totem, videolan, xine, vlc... sorry for the delay, I didn't remember all the names :) |
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| 20:42.16 | peterS | Julie1: well, udev takes care of which major / minor to assign to it, based on its knowledge of the kernel drivers. (this stuff goes through /sys/...) |
| 20:42.19 | Julie1 | its the same thing... has an eGalax driver to run it which is found in both kernels |
| 20:42.40 | csmiller | julie the major number identifies the kernel module. There is a list of mapping online |
| 20:42.40 | valdyn | Bodi-San: try 'xine -V xshm' and play something |
| 20:42.55 | Julie1 | i figured out what the major/minor stuff is |
| 20:42.57 | dna_ | what do I need to install to get libmp3lame.so? |
| 20:42.59 | peterS | Julie1: what driver? I don't see it, offhand, in standard kernels |
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| 20:43.12 | Julie1 | its on 'usb support' |
| 20:43.17 | sandman | Why are there so many kernel-tree packages for the same kernel version? |
| 20:43.18 | Julie1 | the eGalax touchscreen driver |
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| 20:43.27 | xerophyte | with diff when i do diff -y file1 file2 it display both files side by side .. how can i only see the changes between the file1 and file2, side by side the one does display both file side by site change and non-change .. is there anyway i can only display changes part? |
| 20:43.46 | peterS | Julie1: oh, 'touchkitusb'? hmmm. |
| 20:43.48 | brothers | what player can do .au files? |
| 20:43.48 | Bodi-San | I'll try, if I dissapear it means it crashed (again). |
| 20:43.49 | csmiller | dna_ - the online package search-by-file will tell you |
| 20:43.51 | Julie1 | oh sorry |
| 20:43.54 | Julie1 | touchkitusb |
| 20:43.55 | Julie1 | yep |
| 20:44.20 | valdyn | Bodi-San: might want to use a console irc client to avoid that.. |
| 20:44.32 | Bodi-San | it works :) |
| 20:44.34 | peterS | Julie1: so the touchkitusb module is loaded on your mips board.... when it loads, does it print any kernel messages concerning hardware detected or whatever? 'dmesg | tail' is how to find out |
| 20:44.47 | dli_ | any detailed howto to upgrade from xfree86 to xorg? |
| 20:44.49 | Bodi-San | what's the explanation for this? |
| 20:45.01 | Julie1 | well i even added a printk(KERN_INFO "are you touching me..?") somehwere in the driver source |
| 20:45.06 | peterS | dli_: mainly you just install the 'xserver-xorg' package in unstable |
| 20:45.12 | Julie1 | jsut to figure out if the driver was actually doing anything when i touched the screen |
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| 20:45.19 | Julie1 | and everytime i touched the screen |
| 20:45.32 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: weird. fuser -v /dev/input/mice only shows xorg when i do in in X. console doesnt show anything |
| 20:45.32 | Julie1 | it was dumping "are you touching me...?" |
| 20:45.37 | peterS | Julie1: ah hmmm, so you're already messing with driver source. you said you were a netadmin, you didn't mention you were also a kernel hacker |
| 20:45.38 | valdyn | Bodi-San: your video card driver is crashing when you try to use 'xv' to display the movie, dont use it, vlc has a GUI to change that, as does xine, and as do most movie players |
| 20:45.39 | dli_ | peterS: I think in testing already |
| 20:45.43 | Julie1 | so the driver was being called to do something |
| 20:45.43 | csmiller | peterS, dli_ do you do "apt-get install xserver-xorg+ xserver-xfree-" to swap ? |
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| 20:45.58 | peterS | csmiller: you can. call it xserver-xfree86- though (: |
| 20:46.02 | ircdevil | gooooood nite vietnam |
| 20:46.04 | valdyn | Bodi-San: xv is normally the least cpu intense, but what use when its crashing... |
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| 20:46.05 | Julie1 | peter, i'm not... i don't know anything about c... i'm just a network administrator trying to figure out the logic in all of this |
| 20:46.12 | Julie1 | the printk thing was kinda obvious |
| 20:46.24 | Julie1 | lol |
| 20:46.42 | peterS | Julie1: good to know - so the usb controller is working, the driver is getting bound to the ts device, etc. - it just is not forwarding events into the input layer, apparently.. |
| 20:46.43 | ircops | hm lag |
| 20:46.55 | Bodi-San | i thought it would have something to do with the videodriver :) thanks a lot |
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| 20:47.00 | peterS | Julie1: you've got the 'tsdev' module loaded? I suppose you must, if udev created /dev/input/ts* |
| 20:47.01 | dli_ | csmiller: does xorg disable X-forwarding by default? |
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| 20:47.20 | Julie1 | tsdev is loaded... if i call /proc/bus/input/handles it states tsdev there |
| 20:47.21 | csmiller | peterS - Just in case they conflict |
| 20:47.26 | mik3 | ok i'm installign via he netins iso, when it configures the machine as a desktop client will it install xorg and gnome? i don't want kde on it |
| 20:47.26 | Julie1 | handlers* |
| 20:47.27 | peterS | csmiller: sure |
| 20:47.34 | valdyn | dli_: wrong question, X has nothing to do with 'forwarding' anything at all |
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| 20:47.56 | peterS | Julie1: right, right. this is pretty weird then. it *really* should not be architecture-specific at all. |
| 20:47.56 | csmiller | dli_ do you mean X-forwarding under ssh? xhost access? |
| 20:48.01 | dli_ | valdyn: I think you are right, but I got real X problem with xory now |
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| 20:48.39 | Julie1 | so what would your guess be as to where the problems lies... is it the driver not functioning correctly under mips or is it the input layer making a mess of it? |
| 20:48.41 | dli_ | csmiller: I think it's not really X since ssh x-forwarding is from localhost, but X programs just hangs |
| 20:48.48 | Julie1 | (usb mouse and keyboard work fine with it) |
| 20:48.54 | mik3 | ALSO apt fails o log into security.debian.org is it because i chose ftp as my method for connecting? |
| 20:48.56 | Julie1 | though those are standard usb devices |
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| 20:49.15 | jjazz | mik3: security.debian is having trouble. See /topic |
| 20:49.17 | valdyn | !wayttd dli_ |
| 20:49.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, dli_? |
| 20:49.25 | peterS | Julie1: who knows. my money is on the tsdev module having odd arch-specific problems it should not have |
| 20:49.26 | mik3 | oops thanks |
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| 20:49.57 | peterS | Julie1: or possibly, *possibly*, the userspace app that reads /dev/input/ts0 or ts1 has the odd arch-specific problem |
| 20:49.59 | dli_ | valdyn: I ssh -X to a node, and run a simple x program there, "nedit", but nedit just hangs there |
| 20:50.02 | valdyn | mik3: ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security is 1 mirror |
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| 20:50.14 | Julie1 | what does tsdev do exactly? because it shows up on the /proc/bus/usb/handlers but not on /proc/bus/usb/devices |
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| 20:50.21 | kpearce | is there any known incompatibility between gcc4 and kenrel 2.4.22 on sid? I'm trying to compile some downloaded software and getting syntax errors in the kernel source |
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| 20:50.39 | valdyn | dli_: you need to enable X11Forward in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the *server* |
| 20:50.41 | peterS | Julie1: it's a frontend, like mousedev and evdev. it provides the /dev/input/ts* interface. it gets its data from the input layer, which in turn gets its data from the touchkitusb module |
| 20:50.48 | valdyn | dli_: and restart ssh |
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| 20:51.04 | csmiller | dlI_ what does "echo $DISPLAY" report, after the ssh? |
| 20:51.10 | brothers | were the wmv codecs in non-free? |
| 20:51.27 | valdyn | dli_: and mind the d in sshd_config ;) |
| 20:51.28 | Julie1 | thanks for the expert advice :) can i log this chat for future reference? |
| 20:51.30 | jjazz | brothers: marillat repostory has the w32codecs package |
| 20:51.31 | dli_ | valdyn: if X11forward was no, nedit would complain about it and quit |
| 20:51.34 | Bodi-San | how can I change the resolution of the display to more than it lets me to? |
| 20:51.34 | peterS | Julie1: wait ... I wonder if 'mousedev' is stealing the touchscreen driver and treating it as a mouse input, before the 'tsdev' module has a chance to claim it......? |
| 20:51.41 | carlinhos | enable xforwarding is the only thing you have to do, apart os restarting ssh |
| 20:51.42 | quiet | brothers, probably part of w32codecs in marillat... |
| 20:51.48 | Julie1 | hmm? |
| 20:51.49 | peterS | Julie1: feel free to log it, anything I say on public irc is fair game |
| 20:51.50 | dli_ | valdyn: DISPLAY=localhost:11.0 |
| 20:52.24 | csmiller | bodi-san update the sync rates in /etc/X11/XF87Config-4 |
| 20:52.30 | Julie1 | how can i unload mousedev? |
| 20:52.33 | Julie1 | it would be worth a shot...? |
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| 20:52.50 | peterS | Julie1: just 'rmmod mousedev'. for that matter, also 'rmmod tsdev' and then 'modprobe tsdev' |
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| 20:52.57 | Julie1 | hehe |
| 20:53.01 | peterS | Julie1: then you can 'modprobe mousedev' afterwards. point being, load tsdev first. |
| 20:53.01 | Julie1 | its an embedded system |
| 20:53.03 | dli_ | csmiller: DISPLAY=localhost:11.0 |
| 20:53.04 | Nukeador | any idea how to reset the xserver-xfree86 values? |
| 20:53.07 | Julie1 | nothing is loaded modular |
| 20:53.09 | brothers | quiet, great i needed an unofficial line in my sources, tnx |
| 20:53.22 | peterS | Julie1: oh hmmmm. no modules. let me check and see what the default load order is then |
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| 20:53.27 | csmiller | dli_ that looks about right. does xterm or xman work ? |
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| 20:53.53 | dli_ | csmiller: the same thing, just hangs, without complaining about display |
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| 20:54.01 | quiet | valdyn, okay.. here's an issue with the german security mirror... http://pastebin.com/369367 |
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| 20:54.23 | johaBBa | hrm....security.d.o isn't slow...it's rejecting.... |
| 20:54.23 | boo | hi |
| 20:54.26 | quiet | brothers, was that sarcasm, or sincerity? |
| 20:54.38 | peterS | Julie1: sure enough, mousedev and evdev both load before tsdev does, on a non-modular kernel. I still have no idea if this is your problem, but it does seem a little suspicious |
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| 20:55.00 | csmiller | johaBBa - there was a large updated posted two days ago. Check the mailing lists on it |
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| 20:55.11 | boo | can anyone help me |
| 20:55.15 | ircops | no |
| 20:55.18 | quiet | boo, no |
| 20:55.18 | ircops | sorry |
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| 20:55.23 | johaBBa | csmiller, ah. thx. will do |
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| 20:55.27 | quiet | we are not fortune tellers. |
| 20:55.29 | csmiller | boo - just ask your question |
| 20:55.34 | ircops | we have things against helping people with the nick boo |
| 20:55.41 | quiet | lol |
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| 20:55.49 | johaBBa | boo, don't ask to ask...just ask. |
| 20:55.49 | ircops | !nickometer boo |
| 20:55.49 | dpkg | 'boo' is 0.000% lame, ircops |
| 20:55.50 | quiet | ah! scared me. |
| 20:56.00 | Mitchell | bah registered :) |
| 20:56.00 | ircops | wow surprise |
| 20:56.02 | peterS | Julie1: so do this. 'cat /proc/bus/input/handlers' and see what the touchscreen device says under "H: Handlers=" |
| 20:56.05 | azeem | ircops: how about being a bit less aggressive? |
| 20:56.11 | eeyore- | is it really touchkitusb or is it something else, like egalax? |
| 20:56.12 | fbi | check this out, i am trying to connect to a url in a graphical browser, no matter what browser i use, it crashes right when the page is finished loading |
| 20:56.18 | fbi | however, lynx opens the page fine |
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| 20:56.18 | ircops | azeem: okay... I can try that :) |
| 20:56.22 | Mitchell__ | ffs :) |
| 20:56.22 | fbi | what would cause this? |
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| 20:56.26 | azeem | ircops: thanks |
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| 20:56.29 | Julie1 | in handlers there is a tsdev noted |
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| 20:56.32 | csmiller | fbi very large images? |
| 20:56.34 | Julie1 | but about the touchscreen |
| 20:56.37 | fbi | i have run strace on mozilla and galeon, but i have no idea what i am looking at |
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| 20:56.53 | fbi | csmiller: doubt it, this is a page i use all the time |
| 20:56.54 | mik3 | i'm installing debian for desktop via the netinst cd, will it be installing xorg and gnome? |
| 20:56.55 | Julie1 | it states event2 mouse2 and ts1 in /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 20:56.56 | ircops | azeem: I just like being a smartass, obviously. Bad habit :) |
| 20:57.01 | csmiller | !nickometer csmiller |
| 20:57.02 | peterS | Julie1: ok, so much for my theory about *that* then. it seems it is being bound correctly to tsdev |
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| 20:57.10 | ips_ | hello |
| 20:57.20 | johaBBa | !nickometer johaBBa |
| 20:57.22 | Julie1 | no in handlers it doesn't state any relationship to any devices |
| 20:57.24 | ircops | oh no |
| 20:57.25 | azeem | ircops: that's fine when you know the other person, but people joining this chat might get a wrong picture |
| 20:57.29 | Julie1 | for any device |
| 20:57.33 | johaBBa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.35 | johaBBa | hrm.... |
| 20:57.37 | Mitchell__ | since i got my new server, after downloading packs (using netinstall) i get an error "could not early remove e2fsprogs" and it stops :/ googled it but didnt find any solution |
| 20:57.41 | peterS | Julie1: oh right, I meant /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 20:57.41 | ircops | azeem: sorry :) |
| 20:57.44 | Julie1 | yea |
| 20:57.46 | Julie1 | lol |
| 20:57.46 | Julie1 | ok |
| 20:57.49 | ips_ | Does anyone know how to increase the mic volume directly, not alsa, or oss or esound??? |
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| 20:57.52 | fbi | this never happenes before the recent security updates, where can i send these strace output files? |
| 20:57.54 | Julie1 | so its event2 mouse2 and ts1 lol |
| 20:57.54 | johaBBa | i think i'm no more than 10.5% lame...thank you very much |
| 20:58.02 | fbi | s/happenes/happened/ |
| 20:58.15 | Julie1 | both get filled with a little bit of data the first time i hit the screen when i plug it in |
| 20:58.19 | Julie1 | after that... nothing |
| 20:58.21 | eeyore- | ips_: speak louder |
| 20:58.24 | csmiller | fbi - as a bug report (use reportbug), or if you think itsn't not debian-specific, to upstream |
| 20:58.38 | fbi | cheers |
| 20:58.46 | csmiller | fbi - you might be better of just sending the URL though. |
| 20:58.55 | ips_ | eeyore-, right :°) you don't have a better solution? |
| 20:58.56 | Julie1 | works like a charm om i86 though |
| 20:59.14 | eeyore- | ips_: sane people use alsamixer, it's easy enough |
| 20:59.22 | Julie1 | bleh i should have been a nurse :\ |
| 20:59.24 | peterS | Julie1: I don't even know the ts API. I wonder if it's less mature than the evdev API. the thing about evdev, it's very flexible and powerful but also pretty simple to use. I wonder if your app developers would mind terribly just using evdev.... |
| 20:59.24 | Julie1 | :P |
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| 21:00.00 | eeyore- | Julie1: are you having some endianess trouble on the contraption? |
| 21:00.05 | Julie1 | well it would all be great... but the /dev/input/event2 isn't getting filled either |
| 21:00.10 | ips_ | eeyore-, sure, but it doesn't work, because I am using the mic with Skype, and Skype doesn't use ALSA |
| 21:00.12 | ircops | ips_: you can use amixer if you're looking for a single command that will do it, and you're using alsa |
| 21:00.13 | azeem | Julie1: did you try mailing debian-mips with detailed information, or some other mips-related list |
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| 21:00.20 | azeem | or lkml |
| 21:00.22 | peterS | Julie1: it's not? so you've already explored that possibility |
| 21:00.29 | ircops | ips_: skype uses oss |
| 21:00.31 | eeyore- | ips_: so? skype uses oss compatibilty right? what's the issue? |
| 21:00.37 | Mitchell__ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325834 <--anyone got solution for it, ive did like 120 fresh installs and it didnt worked anyway |
| 21:00.43 | Julie1 | peterS yes, i've been messing around with the entire /dev thing for a week or so |
| 21:00.47 | peterS | oh wow |
| 21:00.48 | eeyore- | ips_: just because alsa presents oss layer, doesn't mean you *can't* use alsamixer to increase its volumes. |
| 21:01.01 | Julie1 | i'm lost lol |
| 21:01.18 | peterS | so yeah, as azeem says, you might try mailing linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org |
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| 21:01.40 | ips_ | eeyore-, ircops , well I don't know, I already tried it with alsamixer and all and the volume didn't change!? |
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| 21:01.53 | Julie1 | yea a collegue of mine did that without response |
| 21:01.58 | Julie1 | though i have no idea wha he posted |
| 21:01.59 | eeyore- | ips_: did you change the right thing? sounds stupid, but did you actually look? |
| 21:02.02 | peterS | ahh |
| 21:02.07 | Julie1 | so i gues i should try myself |
| 21:02.10 | Julie1 | guess* |
| 21:02.24 | abrotman | jjazz: do you have tickets for me? |
| 21:02.26 | nkuttler | ips_: did you use an oss mixer like aumix and turn up the volume there as well? |
| 21:02.44 | csmiller | mitchell_ "apt-get install e2fsprogs get a Conflicts Pre-Depends loop error"? |
| 21:02.48 | jjazz | abrotman: I gave them to Stew, sorry. Thought you saw that earlier. |
| 21:02.51 | ips_ | eeyore-, yeah, I changed the mic volume in aquisition or capture or whatever it is called. |
| 21:03.02 | jayeola | hi chaps. this is rolly more relevant here. i'm wanting to install debian sage within a gc-based distro using a vserver. this mus be possible somehow? |
| 21:03.07 | ips_ | nkuttler, no, I didn't try that, I will. |
| 21:03.10 | Mitchell__ | csmiller yeah somthing like that |
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| 21:03.15 | eeyore- | ips_: and ... is it marked "MM" (for mute)? |
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| 21:03.26 | eeyore- | ips_: you can increase/decrease the setting, but won't matter if it's muted |
| 21:03.26 | carlinhos | Mitchell__, this is a bug, |
| 21:03.38 | abrotman | jjazz: i was joking |
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| 21:03.39 | Julie1 | well guys thanks alot for your help! atleast i don't feel that alone anymore lol |
| 21:03.41 | Mitchell__ | how to fix? |
| 21:03.45 | azeem | Mitchell__: what kind of netinstall did you use? |
| 21:03.48 | azeem | Julie1: good luck |
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| 21:03.51 | csmiller | did you try updating wood to sid via sarge? or is this a clean sid install ? |
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| 21:03.56 | Julie1 | and some fresh input is always nice |
| 21:03.57 | ips_ | eeyore-, no, it isn't muted, cause I can hear it but it is just too low |
| 21:04.02 | peterS | ha, no pun intended, I suppose |
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| 21:04.09 | peterS | since lack of fresh input is exactly your problem here |
| 21:04.11 | Julie1 | hope i'll figure it out... if i do i'll let you guys know! |
| 21:04.19 | jjazz | abrotman: Well, if you're ever in NY and want to catch a game, let me know. I'm almost always willing to hit a game. |
| 21:04.19 | Mitchell__ | i use the latest netinst disk and used like all options |
| 21:04.19 | peterS | Julie1: yeah, do |
| 21:04.20 | Julie1 | heh |
| 21:04.22 | eeyore- | peterS: what have you guys figured out? |
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| 21:04.25 | Julie1 | lol |
| 21:04.28 | Mitchell__ | fresh install |
| 21:04.37 | Julie1 | well i'll be... afk untill i get another drink |
| 21:04.40 | fredric | Hi.. A newbiequestion here, I know.. But how do I install Java on Debian? |
| 21:04.42 | Julie1 | and not giving this another though :P |
| 21:04.48 | Julie1 | thought* |
| 21:04.53 | jdhutchin1 | fredric, /msg dpkg java |
| 21:05.02 | fredric | thnks |
| 21:05.03 | nkuttler | fredric: /topic even |
| 21:05.11 | peterS | eeyore-: the touchkitusb driver is bound correctly to the tsdev input frontend driver. touchkitusb is getting events from the hardware. these are not being passed up through the input layer, somehow |
| 21:05.16 | jayeola | if it help. i'm also looking to install sarge with a business card cd. |
| 21:05.21 | peterS | Julie1: cheers |
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| 21:05.51 | peterS | eeyore-: the *first* event gets passed along and ends up in tsdev (/dev/input/ts1) but then silence |
| 21:05.53 | eeyore- | peterS: so you're not getting mouse, but you can get raw events then |
| 21:06.01 | peterS | eeyore-: ...on mips. all works perfectly on i386. |
| 21:06.07 | Mitchell__ | but anyone got a solution? |
| 21:06.08 | azeem | Mitchell__: sarge, or etch/sid? |
| 21:06.15 | Mitchell__ | sid :) |
| 21:06.43 | ips_ | eeyore-, ircops nkuttler, this is what amixer says:Simple mixer control 'Mic',0 |
| 21:06.43 | ips_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.16 | Mitchell__ | im getting pissed off now it wont work :/ |
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| 21:07.34 | azeem | Mitchell__: hrm, sid might well be broken |
| 21:07.45 | abrotman | Mitchell__: i'm getting pissed on .. i lose |
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| 21:07.56 | azeem | Mitchell__: I propose you install sarge and optionally upgrade to sid if you must |
| 21:07.58 | ips_ | oups sorry about that, what are we supposed to do to paste things? |
| 21:08.06 | ecliptik | what would be the reason for an ssh session to terminate right after accepting the password? The user is fine, shell correct, password good, and everything is kosher in hosts.allow and iptables. If the unix sockets aren't setup correctly could that be a symptom? Especially if mysql, nfs, and xfs fail to start as well? |
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| 21:08.18 | abrotman | jjazz: but if you have tix again .. and can give more than 2 hours notice .. let me know :) |
| 21:08.18 | azeem | ips_: /msg dpkg paster |
| 21:08.27 | jjazz | abrotman: of course :) |
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| 21:08.28 | peterS | eeyore-: maybe Julie1's coworkers accidentally compiled the mips kernel with CONFIG_TSDEV_FAIL_RANDOMLY |
| 21:08.33 | Mitchell__ | azeem: kk, what causes the error :) |
| 21:08.42 | azeem | Mitchell__: no idea |
| 21:08.46 | abrotman | jjazz: oh wait.. today they had the drawing for postseason sox tix i think! |
| 21:08.54 | Mitchell__ | azee: :O |
| 21:08.55 | csmiller | ecliptik shell set to /bin/false ? |
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| 21:09.05 | ips_ | azeem: so I juste type "/msg dpkg paste" ?? |
| 21:09.07 | peterS | abrotman: postseason? would that constitute a bit of optimism? |
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| 21:09.14 | ma3x | beardy, is that site only for the UK? |
| 21:09.15 | eeyore- | peterS: i have one of those egalax touchkit thingie (7" liliput) and it's ok on x86 too :) |
| 21:09.18 | azeem | ips_: that will give you information about it |
| 21:09.22 | vagabund | !seen destiny |
| 21:09.23 | dpkg | destiny <n=lisa@229.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 32d 15h 15s ago, saying: 'JimButton: you are as cute as a button, aren't you? :)'. |
| 21:09.30 | peterS | eeyore-: aha. I figured nobody would have that hardware here. guess I was wrong |
| 21:09.30 | ips_ | azeem, thanks |
| 21:09.31 | azeem | ips_: at least, that's what the /topic suggests |
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| 21:09.35 | jjazz | abrotman: Best reason to get season tix is the automatic postseason selection :) |
| 21:09.38 | azeem | ips_: dpkg is a bot who knows many things |
| 21:09.39 | abrotman | peterS: it's a lottery .. if they don't make it .. they refund your money |
| 21:09.39 | eeyore- | peterS: carpc, you know :) |
| 21:09.40 | ips_ | azeem, ok |
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| 21:09.50 | Mitchell__ | azeem: i thoughd i tried sarge to and it didnt worked to :/ ( i thougd) but ill try it in a sec |
| 21:09.53 | abrotman | jjazz: do you have season tix to yanks ? |
| 21:09.54 | peterS | eeyore-: ahh |
| 21:10.08 | peterS | abrotman: guess that's good then (: |
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| 21:10.27 | csmiller | is there a list of bots? |
| 21:10.30 | jjazz | abrotman: Bleacher seats that I share with a friend. It's cheap that way. |
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| 21:10.43 | abrotman | jjazz: wait .. you have tix to every home game? |
| 21:10.45 | ma3x | where can i get certificate for debian or other linux? |
| 21:10.46 | ma3x | internationally |
| 21:10.48 | peterS | csmiller: not really. the ones in here are dpkg, ravenbird, apt, debhelper and, if you want to count it, ChanServ |
| 21:11.06 | jjazz | abrotman: Not me personally. I share them with a few other people, so we divvy them up. |
| 21:11.08 | abrotman | jjazz: and you never invited me before? .. i mean .. i realize the yankees suck .. but i still love baseball :) |
| 21:11.14 | peterS | csmiller: the bots in #perl are truly a scary lot, though. think about it, what do perl programmers love to do? write bots. |
| 21:11.34 | jjazz | abrotman: :) Well, this season is spoken for, but next season. |
| 21:11.46 | abrotman | jjazz: i have visions from "Fever Pitch" in my head (if you've seen it) |
| 21:11.51 | jjazz | abrotman: If I'd known you were a baseball fan, I'd send you in to the bleachers to get your butt kicked. |
| 21:12.14 | abrotman | jjazz: i can hold my own! |
| 21:12.15 | jjazz | abrotman: I refuse to see any movie that mentions last year's atrocity. |
| 21:12.15 | eeyore- | why is it called "bleacher", btw |
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| 21:12.23 | abrotman | eeyore-: cheap seats |
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| 21:12.35 | eeyore- | odd name |
| 21:12.35 | jjazz | eeyore-: Because the stands aren't seats. They're bleachers-- just benches. |
| 21:12.35 | Julie1 | food...? |
| 21:12.37 | pgquiles | hi |
| 21:12.42 | abrotman | i'm not sure any baseball stadium has true bleacher seats anymore |
| 21:12.45 | thingfish | I always though, because you get baked/bleached by the sun. |
| 21:12.47 | LightVision | I have mepis on hda and Debian on hdb. I want to keep hdb and Debian, but format hda. If I do that, how can I first backup the hda boot sector so that I can still load hdb and Debian when I reboot? |
| 21:12.51 | abrotman | jjazz: oh .. they're actually benches there? |
| 21:12.53 | thingfish | *thought |
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| 21:12.55 | jjazz | abrotman: yup :) |
| 21:12.57 | abrotman | jjazz: you should try fenway :) |
| 21:13.05 | csmiller | thingfish - is it that the seats a sun-bleached? |
| 21:13.10 | jjazz | abrotman: I've never been. It sounds dangerous. |
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| 21:13.26 | pgquiles | how can I see what's happening in another terminal (say, tty2)? (no, ALT+Fx won't do because I am not in front of the computer but 500 km away and logged in through ssh) |
| 21:13.27 | abrotman | jjazz: do it!... it's a religious experience :) |
| 21:13.32 | thingfish | csmiller: that's sort of what I've always thought; of course I've never properly looked into its etymology. |
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| 21:13.44 | peterS | pgquiles: run your interesting jobs inside a 'screen' session |
| 21:13.47 | LightVision | if I format hda, will I still be able to boot Debian from hdb? |
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| 21:13.48 | jjazz | abrotman: Next time I'm in Boston. My gf's uncle is out there. |
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| 21:13.55 | peterS | pgquiles: then use 'screen -x' to view (and interact with) them remotely |
| 21:13.58 | beardy | ma3x: Don't /msg people without asking. |
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| 21:14.07 | eeyore- | thingfish: yeah, some things are obvious ... like spork |
| 21:14.11 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 21:14.18 | csmiller | lightvision - you might be better using a boot cd/floppy and reinstalling grub/lilo from the boot disc |
| 21:14.25 | abrotman | jjazz: that's the way to go .. and if you're broke .. show up like .. 4 hours before the game .. get in line .. you can get tix for $20 sometimes |
| 21:14.37 | abrotman | jjazz: or go through stubhub :) |
| 21:14.52 | peterS | pgquiles: for example, I run 'screen -S mutt' and then run my mail readers inside there. then I can do 'screen -x mutt' from anywhere and see my mail |
| 21:14.54 | LightVision | csmiller: where is grub installed to? the hard drive boot sectors? |
| 21:15.11 | jjazz | abrotman: Bleachers at YS are under $20. They're cheap seats with some really great fans. |
| 21:15.12 | peterS | LightVision: different places. bits are in the boot sector, bits are in /boot/grub/ |
| 21:15.27 | csmiller | lightvision depends on the options. Normally the MBR or the partition boot sector |
| 21:15.30 | pgquiles | peterS thank you, that's exactly what I wanted |
| 21:15.36 | abrotman | jjazz: dunno .. i've been in the cheap seats at Citizen's bank park .. some total jackasses out there :) |
| 21:15.47 | LightVision | peterS: so if I format hda, will that wipe the boot sector for hda so I cant load Debian from hdb anymore? |
| 21:15.52 | Julie1 | hrm is it considered odd in here to be on mIRC? just being too lazy to reboot right now :P lol |
| 21:15.58 | abrotman | !mirc |
| 21:15.59 | dpkg | well, mirc is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html |
| 21:16.02 | jjazz | peterS: I just run a new mutt session from whatever term I'm at. What's the advantage to doing it your way? |
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| 21:16.08 | peterS | Julie1: somewhat odd. for the most part we don't know what everyone runs |
| 21:16.29 | NoThing | can anyone help me in software RAID? |
| 21:16.34 | Julie1 | lol i normally run linux... but i was playing WoW... which requires windows |
| 21:16.34 | peterS | LightVision: depends on what you mean by "format hda". anyway, the BIOS is what decides which hard drive to try booting. if you tell the BIOS to boot /dev/hdb, it doesn't matter what is on hda. |
| 21:16.36 | jjazz | abrotman: YS bleachers are alcohol-free, which means the only drug you need to sweat is testosterone. |
| 21:16.36 | LightVision | csmiller: how do I then create a boot floppy so I can load that floppy after and reinstall GRUB? |
| 21:16.36 | abrotman | nor care |
| 21:16.36 | csmiller | lightvision linux "root=/dev/hdb single" from lilo boot cd |
| 21:16.44 | abrotman | jjazz: ok .. that would just suck .. |
| 21:16.50 | Julie1 | bleh brb |
| 21:16.56 | Julie1 | interface bugs me anyway |
| 21:16.57 | Julie1 | lol |
| 21:17.16 | LightVision | csmiller: can I do that from the Debian CD? |
| 21:17.21 | jjazz | abrotman: I was in the upper deck and almost got crushed by a Red Sox fan who fell from the sky. He was pushed from the top of the tier and just crashed into the seats next to me. Tumbled down quite a ways too. It was ugly. I heckled him. |
| 21:17.25 | abrotman | jjazz: you really need to try fenway .. yawkey way ... the right field seats .. it's smelly .. hot .. and baseball! |
| 21:17.35 | jjazz | abrotman: I'd love to. |
| 21:17.42 | LightVision | peterS: how do I then create a boot floppy so I can load that floppy after and reinstall GRUB? |
| 21:17.43 | csmiller | lightvision I can't remember |
| 21:17.59 | ma3x | beardy, ok |
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| 21:18.03 | abrotman | jjazz: you're not a very nice bunch to be pushing a fellow fan around |
| 21:18.04 | csmiller | jjazz - was he OK? |
| 21:18.15 | peterS | LightVision: you can use the 'syslinux' package to create a boot floppy using syslinux. I forget how to do one in grub. |
| 21:18.16 | LightVision | csmiller: so I type from the shell at boot time: "root=/dev/hdb single" ? |
| 21:18.16 | ma3x | beardy, can you explain me a few things please |
| 21:18.20 | abrotman | jjazz: at least he wasn't dumb enough to jump into the net :) |
| 21:18.23 | dondelelcaro | ugh... baseball. The only slower sport is cricket |
| 21:18.26 | jjazz | csmiller: He was so drunk he didn't even notice if he was hurt. Just peeled himself off the ground and walked away mumbling. |
| 21:18.46 | jjazz | abrotman: I'm against the beating of opposing team fans. I am not above heckling opposing fans though. |
| 21:18.46 | ircops | mmmm... chocolate-covered crickets |
| 21:18.49 | csmiller | lightvision prefix it with "linux" - or the image name |
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| 21:19.26 | LightVision | csmiller: what image name? whats this "image" you speak of? |
| 21:19.28 | Dazgard | hi |
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| 21:19.50 | csmiller | lightvision pressing TAB will list them. |
| 21:19.56 | gozz | a |
| 21:20.00 | Dazgard | i'be got 2 nics and i would like the change the order in witch they are reconnize by the system |
| 21:20.04 | LightVision | csmiller: what are you talking about? |
| 21:20.14 | csmiller | or look at /etc/lilo.conf on the CD |
| 21:20.20 | Dazgard | let say i want my realtek(eth1) to become eth0 |
| 21:20.24 | abrotman | jjazz: ok .. |
| 21:20.29 | LightVision | don_inlab: I have mepis on hda and Debian on hdb. I want to keep hdb and Debian, but format hda. If I do that, how can I first backup the hda boot sector so that I can still load hdb and Debian when I reboot? |
| 21:20.30 | peterS | hmmm I seriously need to get off irc and study some italian vocabulary |
| 21:20.31 | Dazgard | and my e1000 to become eth1 |
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| 21:20.38 | LightVision | csmiller: what? |
| 21:20.47 | csmiller | lightvision: At the "lilo:" prompt (on the CD) press TAB. A list of the boot images should be displayed |
| 21:20.49 | peterS | Dazgard: the simplest way is to control which kernel module loads in which order, by listing both in '/etc/modules' |
| 21:21.01 | LightVision | csmiller: whats lilo prompt? I dont use lilo |
| 21:21.01 | Dazgard | ok, cool |
| 21:21.02 | peterS | Dazgard: put '8139too' above 'e1000' |
| 21:21.02 | eeyore- | Dazgard: change the order in your modules file then |
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| 21:21.14 | Dazgard | thanks guys |
| 21:21.22 | eeyore- | Dazgard: failing that, there's always ifrename, i think |
| 21:21.28 | csmiller | lightvision - I think the boot cd does. Grub has an equivenlent |
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| 21:21.40 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: any ideas about how I can get Debian to load if hda is wiped? |
| 21:21.44 | jjazz | abrotman: I did once shout something like "Sit down, you fat f*ck" at Ortiz. Unfortunately, the rather large female Red Sox fan seated in front of me thought I was talking to her. She wilted and looked hurt until I apologized. Then she laughed and threw peanuts at me. |
| 21:21.45 | gozz | could somone please help me with k3b? |
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| 21:22.05 | sether | gozz: what's wrong? |
| 21:22.07 | LightVision | csmiller: you saying that all I need to do is load the Debian CD and press TAB? |
| 21:22.07 | drac | Is there a way to change QT (k3b, amarok, kmplayer) theme without running actual KDE? |
| 21:22.10 | marty | i need to find the specs on a compaq presario 1692 notebook video card |
| 21:22.11 | abrotman | jjazz: yeah .. that's not nice .. we never said that to mo vaughn :) |
| 21:22.12 | drac | GUI perhaps.. |
| 21:22.20 | marty | can anyone connect me to those specs? |
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| 21:22.27 | peterS | jjazz: heh, good times |
| 21:22.35 | gozz | it identifys my dvdrw drive but wont write to it |
| 21:22.38 | jjazz | abrotman: Mo Vaughn... that was a man who disappeared fast. |
| 21:22.49 | eeyore- | jjazz: oh now, was she getting kinky? |
| 21:22.49 | LightVision | peterS: I dont have syslinux |
| 21:22.50 | abrotman | jjazz: not really .. he lingered for a while .. check his stats |
| 21:22.55 | peterS | LightVision: it's a debian package |
| 21:22.57 | csmiller | lightvision - doing so will let you boot from the harddrive. Once you have booted linux, you can install grub, lilo or another boot manager |
| 21:23.03 | jjazz | abrotman: Really? I will. |
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| 21:23.12 | ircops | azeem: I entered a factoid just for you :) |
| 21:23.13 | ircops | !ircops |
| 21:23.13 | dpkg | hmm... ircops is a smartass that doesn't know how to be nice, although he calls me a good bot sometimes. |
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| 21:23.26 | LightVision | csmiller: how do I install grub once linux is loaded? |
| 21:23.28 | peterS | "infrared cops" |
| 21:23.30 | Zvpun | if I want to look at qt4 source do I have to install the deb-src package or is there a package for it? |
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| 21:23.54 | Fleck | can anyone help me in software RAID? |
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| 21:23.59 | peterS | LightVision: there exists a /sbin/grub-install and a /sbin/grub-floppy - you figure them out (: |
| 21:24.00 | Boter | hello... I deleted /var/log/messages becouse file was very big... Now i dont get any new messages. What schould i do? |
| 21:24.09 | gozz | in the configure it has my drive and all supported formats but when i goto burn a cd it tells me no suitable writer found |
| 21:24.14 | peterS | Boter: restart syslog. /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 21:24.20 | carlinhos | Fleck, ide, scasi, sata? kernel 2.4, 2.6? |
| 21:24.30 | eeyore- | Boter: touch /var/log/messages |
| 21:24.31 | streuner | Boter: if that doesn't help, just 'touch /var/log/messages' |
| 21:24.31 | wouter | gjkk |
| 21:24.34 | Boter | tnx |
| 21:24.38 | carlinhos | type of raid? |
| 21:24.38 | Fleck | carlinhos ok SATA (sda and sdb) kernel 2.4 :) |
| 21:24.40 | wouter | exit |
| 21:24.43 | wouter | quit |
| 21:24.44 | yalu | I've been trying to install PyKDE for half an hour or so now. I wonder who uses it: probably the select few who can get it installed |
| 21:24.45 | peterS | Boter: hmmm, probably klogd instead. /etc/init.d/klogd restart |
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| 21:24.47 | eeyore- | Boter: then restart syslog |
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| 21:24.53 | Boter | tnx |
| 21:24.53 | csmiller | lightvision - I normally use lilo. try "info grub install" |
| 21:24.57 | Zvpun | streuner: and also chmod 640 /var/log/messages |
| 21:25.04 | Zvpun | streuner: and chgrp adm |
| 21:25.04 | streuner | hm |
| 21:25.16 | Fleck | carlinhos sda1 is mounted and i need to make mirror of it in /dev/sdb1 :) |
| 21:25.21 | ma3x | hello what kind of certificate do i need to be linux (debian) employee? |
| 21:25.23 | eeyore- | might as well get "chperm" perl fronteng thingie |
| 21:25.25 | Fleck | HDD are the same size bouth |
| 21:25.31 | streuner | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 311156 2005-09-20 18:01 /var/log/messages |
| 21:25.35 | eeyore- | bugs me you need chown/chmod as separate commands |
| 21:25.52 | peterS | ma3x: there is no such thing. different employers will expect different things |
| 21:25.56 | abrotman | jjazz: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/playercard?playerId=14192&type=0 |
| 21:25.56 | LightVision | csmiller: ok |
| 21:26.10 | eeyore- | ma3x: "mensa membership certificate" |
| 21:26.11 | peterS | ma3x: the LPI has certificate programs for various linux professionals, but nobody seems to really *require* them |
| 21:26.11 | LightVision | csmiller: why would you use lilo over grub? |
| 21:26.26 | gozz | i did change to the 2.6 kernel yesterday could this affect k3b? |
| 21:26.27 | marty | where can i find laptop specs for installing debian |
| 21:26.30 | marty | ? |
| 21:26.31 | ma3x | peterS, what do the most employers require? |
| 21:26.33 | Zvpun | if I want to look at qt4 source do I have to install the deb-src package or is there a package for it? |
| 21:26.37 | azeem | marty: laptop specs? |
| 21:26.39 | carlinhos | well is a little confusing because of kernel 2.4 , but i have mounted being success let see http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-Debian.htm |
| 21:26.41 | marty | yes |
| 21:26.43 | streuner | marty: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 21:26.45 | peterS | ma3x: dunno. they'll say. |
| 21:26.47 | Boter | what is netbios-ssn? |
| 21:26.54 | eeyore- | ma3x: valid permission to work in the country? |
| 21:26.54 | Boter | i have lot's of this in logs |
| 21:26.54 | marty | is there a website? |
| 21:27.00 | kokkoo | hi i have a small problem.. i have two hdds connected to a controller, i can format one hdd with cfdisk (hdj), but not the other (hdi), inodes is correct as far as i can tell.. please advice. |
| 21:27.01 | peterS | Boter: netbios sessions are usually used for SMB networking, aka Samba |
| 21:27.05 | streuner | marty: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 21:27.16 | Boter | hm :/ |
| 21:27.18 | marty | run it on the laptop? |
| 21:27.19 | Boter | no samba here |
| 21:27.20 | ma3x | eeyore-, yes |
| 21:27.25 | carlinhos | Fleck, well is a little confusing because of kernel 2.4 , but i have mounted being success let see http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-Debian.htm |
| 21:27.25 | azeem | marty: that's an irc command |
| 21:27.27 | eeyore- | kokkoo: what's ls -l /dev/hdi |
| 21:27.28 | peterS | Boter: you could run other services on netbios, but SMB fileservice is the most common |
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| 21:27.34 | streuner | marty: type that into your irc-client |
| 21:27.36 | Boter | k |
| 21:27.41 | marty | ok thanks |
| 21:27.42 | eeyore- | ma3x: then, "demonstrated ability to get the job done" |
| 21:28.14 | eeyore- | ma3x: in other words, if you show up and they think you're just bluffing, you won't get the job. if you show up and they feel you can do the job, good for you. |
| 21:28.15 | kokkoo | eeyore- : #flood |
| 21:28.22 | eeyore- | kokkoo: it's just one line, man |
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| 21:28.35 | eeyore- | kokkoo: were you going to paste a poem along with that? |
| 21:28.39 | peterS | Boter: in practice, on unix, Samba monopolizes the netbios sessions, so other apps that aren't affiliated with it don't have a chance to run at all. so TCP 139, which is what you're asking about, always means samba |
| 21:28.40 | kokkoo | eeyore- : brw-r--r-- 1 root root 56, 0 Sep 20 21:58 /dev/hdi |
| 21:28.43 | ma3x | eeyore-, ok I'm looking at one specific job now, and it's saying "5 years of experience". How you get that? |
| 21:28.49 | kokkoo | eeyore- : thats its from the ls.. |
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| 21:29.15 | peterS | ma3x: sounds pretty obvious to me. they want you to have been doing something related to their job, for 5 years |
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| 21:29.45 | eeyore- | kokkoo: looks right, does /proc/ide show the proper dir? (ide<n>) |
| 21:29.52 | ma3x | eeyore-, do you suggest calling that employer, make an appointment and demonstrate? beacuse they probably want you to send the documents, like cv. certificates.... |
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| 21:30.09 | eeyore- | kokkoo: and proper symlink? /proc/ide/hdi -> ide<n>/... |
| 21:30.15 | jjazz | abrotman: I forgot about his time with the Mets. It was largely forgettable. |
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| 21:30.23 | ma3x | eeyore-, it also says that I must have Red Hat und Suse certificate |
| 21:30.24 | ma3x | how is that possible? |
| 21:30.27 | ma3x | redhat is so old |
| 21:30.38 | eeyore- | ma3x: RHCE |
| 21:30.43 | abrotman | jjazz: yes |
| 21:30.46 | eeyore- | ma3x: what kind of job is this? |
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| 21:31.02 | ma3x | eeyore-, system admin |
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| 21:31.29 | eeyore- | ma3x: it's probably a formality. is this for a bank or some financial institution? germans are big on degrees, aren't they? |
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| 21:31.49 | SerajewelKS | randomly when juk switches to another track, it turns on reverb or something. stopping and re-starting fixes the problem. arts is set up to play through alsa, which is using dmix. playing stuff with alsa at the same time has no reverb, so juk/arts isn't changing my hardware 3d settings. wtf? |
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| 21:31.57 | LightVision | how can I backup my boot sector to floppy and then restore from floppy? Anyone know how to do this? |
| 21:31.58 | gozz | is debian like windows and have to have cdrecording enabled for the dev? |
| 21:32.01 | ma3x | eeyore-, can i priv msg you the link? |
| 21:32.03 | abrotman | jjazz: enjoy the play :) |
| 21:32.10 | jjazz | abrotman: Thanks. See you around. |
| 21:32.11 | chrisq | gozz: nope |
| 21:32.11 | eeyore- | ma3x: nah, someone might find it interesting |
| 21:32.21 | eeyore- | ma3x: have you ever interviewed for a job before? |
| 21:32.23 | SerajewelKS | gozz, "is debian like windows" ... ??? |
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| 21:32.25 | stew | jjazz: thanks again, just finished work for the day so we are outa here |
| 21:32.26 | ma3x | eeyore-, never |
| 21:32.28 | ma3x | why? |
| 21:32.31 | vagabund | destiny: just boot a cute one |
| 21:32.44 | jjazz | stew: Enjoy the game. I'll be rooting hard even if I won't be there. |
| 21:32.53 | chrisq | gozz: it needs to be supported by the burner software though, usually cdrecord or cdrdao |
| 21:32.55 | beardy | LightVision: By using dd. |
| 21:32.59 | kokkoo | eeyore- : yes i think so? i did the 'mknod /dev/hdi b 56 0' and ' mknod /dev/hdj b 56 64' according to /proc/partitions |
| 21:33.14 | eeyore- | ma3x: well, send them your resume/cv and if you have sufficient experience, the HR manager will probably waive the certificate requirements, *if* |
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| 21:33.20 | LightVision | beardy: but I only want to backup the boot sector, not the while hard drive |
| 21:33.24 | SerajewelKS | anyone? juk+alsa weirdness? |
| 21:33.31 | SerajewelKS | juk+arts rather |
| 21:33.34 | beardy | LightVision: Read the fine manual. |
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| 21:33.39 | eeyore- | kokkoo: just because you "mknod", doesn't mean the kernel actually belives you have the device. /proc/ide? |
| 21:33.43 | atom-z | can I make linux automatically get DNS server addresses? |
| 21:34.00 | atom-z | (like the "Obtain DNS Server Information" option in winxp) :\ |
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| 21:34.10 | kokkoo | eeyore- : yes /proc/ide/hdi is there. |
| 21:34.11 | SerajewelKS | atom-z, if your network interface is configured to use DHCP it should do it |
| 21:34.12 | ma3x | eeyore-, they are probably wanting experience, like when you officially work for some company for 5 years. but I haven't done that |
| 21:34.21 | eeyore- | ma3x: so you're fresh out? |
| 21:34.22 | mik3 | HI after debian is done installing all of the stuff i picks when i chose desktop environment will i be able to remove all of the kde bloat and make xorg primarily gnome? |
| 21:34.22 | gozz | well i can see my drive in k3b but it will not write to it |
| 21:34.23 | LightVision | beardy: i have, and it says nothing about dd backing up boot sector only |
| 21:34.25 | kokkoo | eeyore- : sorry im bit newb so please bare with me :) |
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| 21:34.28 | atom-z | SerajewelKS, ah. |
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| 21:34.42 | eeyore- | kokkoo: cat /proc/ide/hdi/model, what's the output? |
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| 21:34.51 | jjazz | atom-z: Even if you use static ip, it should get DNS server info from the router. |
| 21:34.52 | chrisq | atom-z: yeah like SerajewelKS said you get it with dhcp, look in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:34.55 | ma3x | eeyore-, no, I just didn't do any computer related school |
| 21:34.56 | chrisq | to see what you got |
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| 21:35.10 | Fleck | carlinhos it's seems i have no way to set up RAID without reboot - right? |
| 21:35.12 | SerajewelKS | jjazz, not unless some dhcp client is running |
| 21:35.12 | mik3 | anyone ? |
| 21:35.16 | kokkoo | eeyore- : output is 'Maxtor 6L300R0' which is correct. |
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| 21:35.21 | beardy | mik3: Would have been easier not to install any task, and only the things you want in the first place, wouldn't it? |
| 21:35.23 | carlinhos | yes |
| 21:35.29 | ma3x | eeyore-, do you think it's worth getting those certificates? |
| 21:35.31 | Boter | why in /var/log are some files which have like syslog which have syslog.1 syslog.2 ... |
| 21:35.33 | atom-z | what does the "search WorkGroup" line mean? |
| 21:35.38 | mik3 | beardy: i dunno, it seemed logical at the time =/ |
| 21:35.39 | eeyore- | ma3x: your only choices would seem to be (a) get hands-on experience by apprenticing/interning with some companies, (b) go back to school/college and get the right certs |
| 21:35.41 | atom-z | (in resolv.conf) |
| 21:35.42 | carlinhos | Fleck, yes |
| 21:35.44 | gozz | i can read from it rip from it ect.. just wont burn or erase-rw |
| 21:35.48 | Boter | and like syslog.1.gz |
| 21:35.50 | SerajewelKS | atom-z, probably doesn't mean anything for you |
| 21:35.51 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: Ah. I have static ip set up, but it's on a network that has a DHCP server. I always thought the static stuff obviated the dhcp server. |
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| 21:36.04 | eeyore- | kokkoo: and 'cat /proc/ide/hdi/geometry'? |
| 21:36.17 | mik3 | beardy: but i'm coming from ubuntu and i wasn't thinking i guess, but is it possible to remove kde after it's done? |
| 21:36.21 | Fleck | carlinhos that sucks, i am far away from that box, and if that box doesn't start... i am in big sh***t |
| 21:36.23 | SerajewelKS | jjazz, yes, static ip address keeps a dhcp client from running. so if you have a static ip address and still want dns configured, you have to tell it that. |
| 21:36.25 | beardy | mik3: :) Things that you don't want or need you can just uninstall (purge) of course. |
| 21:36.25 | eeyore- | ma3x: it really depends on the country/ies and employer/s |
| 21:36.33 | mik3 | ok thanks |
| 21:36.35 | eeyore- | ma3x: in the US it doesn't matter as much |
| 21:36.38 | kokkoo | eeyore- : geometry does not exist, not for hdi or hdj.. |
| 21:36.42 | ma3x | eeyore-, if choice (a), how can I find thoe companies? what kind of companies are they usually? |
| 21:36.42 | jjazz | SerajewelKS: gotcha |
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| 21:36.59 | Fleck | carlinhos i need to do it in first time so that box starts UP correctly :( |
| 21:37.00 | eeyore- | kokkoo: not possible. /proc/ide/hdi/geometry |
| 21:37.07 | carlinhos | Fleck, try without rebooting, loading modules and regenerating the array |
| 21:37.09 | mirak | honestly, does anyone manage to build packages with apt-build ? |
| 21:37.26 | beardy | mik3: Yes. |
| 21:37.27 | Julie1 | so seriously... what is debian policy on spouses messing up your debian system...? :\ |
| 21:37.31 | chrisq | gozz: check online if your drive is supported by cdrecord or cdrdao |
| 21:37.31 | kokkoo | eeyore- : its a fact, they are present for all the other drives, but not hdi and hdj |
| 21:37.33 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:37.33 | eeyore- | ma3x: there are many |
| 21:37.37 | eeyore- | ma3x: usually startups |
| 21:37.39 | peterS | Julie1: shoot to kill |
| 21:37.41 | beardy | sorry. mirak: yes |
| 21:37.45 | SerajewelKS | does arts even have an effects layer? |
| 21:37.45 | Julie1 | lol |
| 21:37.47 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.48 | peterS | / \ |
| 21:37.52 | jjazz | Julie1: make them fix it |
| 21:38.00 | chrisq | gozz: google linux +your cdr model |
| 21:38.01 | Julie1 | yea but i'd like him to be around a lil longer :P |
| 21:38.02 | mirak | beardy: this fails for most pacakge for me. I can't even compile joe the text editor |
| 21:38.09 | Fosten | hi, i'm trying to reset root pw as per ifrp and get an error on the first step 'linux=init/bin/sh'... upon boot it says sh: cant access tty; job control turned off... any ideas |
| 21:38.10 | Julie1 | bleh he doesn't even know how he messed it up |
| 21:38.23 | ma3x | eeyore-, I mean what kind of companies, like motorolla or teleco ... ? |
| 21:38.41 | beardy | mirak: It have to work for someone, else it wouldn't be available /msg dpkg anyone |
| 21:38.48 | jjazz | Julie1: Force him to use Windows as punishment |
| 21:38.48 | Julie1 | *sighs* |
| 21:38.50 | LightVision | I just wiped on my other system the hda. But I have Debian on hdb that I would want to load. How can I now get system to load hdb Debian at reboot? |
| 21:38.52 | eeyore- | kokkoo: that can't be .... "cat /proc/ide/hdi/media" |
| 21:38.53 | Julie1 | lol |
| 21:38.58 | Julie1 | he loves windows |
| 21:39.04 | atom-z | SerajewelKS, thanks |
| 21:39.09 | chrisq | LightVision: install grub |
| 21:39.10 | peterS | not a very good punishment, then |
| 21:39.17 | beardy | LightVision: Configure your lilo or grub. |
| 21:39.20 | eeyore- | ma3x: it's harder to get your foot in the door of an established company *if* you don't have either certs or experience |
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| 21:39.28 | Julie1 | i hope he didn't figure out how to delete my account on my linux system just to punish me |
| 21:39.28 | Julie1 | lol |
| 21:39.30 | jjazz | Julie1: Hmm... make him use OS/2, then |
| 21:39.31 | eeyore- | ma3x: if you're very very fresh, set your sight lower |
| 21:39.35 | kokkoo | eeyore- : files in ../hdi and ../hdj directory are : driver identify media model settings |
| 21:39.36 | LightVision | chrisq: yes, but how can I now install grub? |
| 21:39.38 | Julie1 | i could only log in as him *shrugs* |
| 21:39.48 | chrisq | LightVision: apt-get install grub |
| 21:39.48 | mirak | beardy: do you manage to buidl joe ? |
| 21:39.55 | beardy | Julie1: Hide the box, and don't let him be root? |
| 21:39.59 | Julie1 | boy making fun of me again :| *sighs* |
| 21:40.04 | LightVision | beardy: I cant even load Debian. how can I configure grub? |
| 21:40.05 | beardy | mirak: No, haven't tried. |
| 21:40.09 | ma3x | eeyore-, I have completed half academy, but arts, not computers. So where do you think I should start for the computers part? |
| 21:40.11 | Julie1 | yea i need to keep stuff secret obviously lol :P |
| 21:40.19 | LightVision | chrisq: I cant apt-get install grub because the system wont even load |
| 21:40.20 | chrisq | LightVision: boot from bootable cd |
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| 21:40.28 | eeyore- | ma3x: webhosting companies or ISPs |
| 21:40.29 | nefertum | hi |
| 21:40.29 | beardy | LightVision: Use a grub floppy, as rescue floppy, or a rescue/livecd |
| 21:40.44 | LightVision | chrisq: you mean boot from the Debian CD and type "apt-get install grub" from prompt? |
| 21:40.56 | major_payne | I just installed the Debian, the first time it booted (without the cd, after the minimal install) it stops on the line "usb.c regestered a new driver hub", and it doesn't move, I looked up above for errors |
| 21:41.02 | Fosten | hi, i've lost my root pw and i'm trying to reset it as per !tell ifrp... i get an error on the first step 'linux=init/bin/sh'... upon boot it says sh: cant access tty; job control turned off... any ideas? help would be greatly appreciated |
| 21:41.07 | nefertum | i'm trying to use Xinerama with a Ati 9200 with Xorg, it works properly with my 19 inches monitor, but not with a 17 inches monitor |
| 21:41.13 | vineet | LightVision: do you have the grub package installed in the debian system? |
| 21:41.16 | chrisq | LightVision: nope, but maybe the debian cd has a rescue option? |
| 21:41.16 | LightVision | beardy: could you guide me in how to create a grub floppy please? I read the manual, but still confused |
| 21:41.17 | nefertum | do you know some reason? |
| 21:41.18 | major_payne | I am installing this on a Compaq nx3030 |
| 21:41.25 | eeyore- | kokkoo: "cat /proc/ide/hdi/media", what's the output? |
| 21:41.40 | peterS | Fosten: that sounds pretty serious. did you swap out /bin/sh with something like posh? |
| 21:41.44 | vineet | LightVision: if so, you can use the debian cd to boot up, then mount /dev/hdb1 (or whatever your system partition is) and grub-install (hd0) from there |
| 21:41.47 | LightVision | vineet: whats the grub package? |
| 21:41.48 | ma3x | eeyore-, do you think they would accept my profile without diplomas, and computer related school |
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| 21:41.58 | kokkoo | eeyore- : output is disk |
| 21:42.05 | eeyore- | ma3x: i don't know :) |
| 21:42.06 | LightVision | vineet: whats the command to grub-install? |
| 21:42.08 | mirak | beardy: it says me the compiler cannot produce binaries, wich is a bit odd |
| 21:42.18 | eeyore- | kokkoo: ok now that's just odd. for disk, it would have to have geometry |
| 21:42.21 | Fosten | peterS no i did exactly what the tell ifrp told me to do |
| 21:42.24 | valdyn | !b-e mirak |
| 21:42.25 | peterS | mirak: that's often a sign that you forgot to install the metapackage 'build-essential' |
| 21:42.26 | dpkg | mirak: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 21:42.28 | jjazz | mirak: It's one of those new trinary compilers. Very bleeding edge. |
| 21:42.29 | major_payne | I just installed the Debian, the first time it booted (without the cd, after the minimal install) it stops on the line "usb.c regestered a new driver hub", and it doesn't move, I looked up above for errors |
| 21:42.30 | Julie1 | Fosten easiest way to handle with a lost root passwd is to mount the disk on another system and fix the /etc/passwd from there :P |
| 21:42.33 | vineet | LightVision: grub-install is the command, it comes in the grub package |
| 21:42.39 | eeyore- | kokkoo: did you jumper both drives wrong or something? :) |
| 21:42.41 | vagabund | is she from down under? |
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| 21:42.52 | peterS | vagabund: who? |
| 21:43.01 | kokkoo | eeyore- : hehe no they are master and slave accordingly :P |
| 21:43.09 | beardy | major_payne: Remove that hardware. Or wait. |
| 21:43.13 | ma3x | eeyore-, that's what I asked you. Everybody requires you to have something, diplomas or certificates. So where should I start? Would getting those certificates for linux be a good idea? |
| 21:43.13 | chrisq | major_payne: sounds bad. try disconnecting usb stuff |
| 21:43.13 | vagabund | LightVision |
| 21:43.18 | eeyore- | kokkoo: like maybe hdj is jumpered master as well, or maybe wrong cable ends? |
| 21:43.23 | LightVision | vineet: so I can use the debian cd to boot up, then from prompt, type "mount /dev/hdb1" and then type "grub-install" ? |
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| 21:43.33 | LightVision | vagabund |
| 21:43.35 | eeyore- | kokkoo: the plug closest to motherboard is master, furthest is slave |
| 21:43.43 | Gnea | vagabund: why can't you ask her yourself? |
| 21:43.44 | major_payne | chrisq: I can't disconnect usb stuff, it's a laptop |
| 21:43.48 | valdyn | major_payne: you can reinstall w/ linux26 at the boot prompt, see if that works better |
| 21:43.54 | mirak | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 21:44.09 | mirak | peterS: doesn't work with it |
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| 21:44.12 | peterS | mirak: you did or did not install build-essential, then? |
| 21:44.19 | kokkoo | eeyore- : they are two identical drives, there are 10 drives total, these two are connected to a hpt302 controller. controllerbios finds them both, np. |
| 21:44.25 | mirak | I just installed it peterS |
| 21:44.27 | vineet | LightVision: probably you want to mkdir /hdb1; mount /dev/hdb1 /hdb1; chroot /hdb1 grub-install (hd0); umount /hdb1 |
| 21:44.35 | LightVision | vineet: I tried "grub-install" says command not found |
| 21:44.35 | peterS | mirak: does 'gcc -v' report anything useful? |
| 21:44.36 | major_payne | valdyn: do I type linux26 at the boot prompt (After booting from the cd) |
| 21:44.52 | peterS | mirak: like it should say 'gcc version something...something' at the bottom |
| 21:44.52 | LightVision | vineet: grub install doesnt come with the debian cd |
| 21:44.55 | valdyn | major_payne: yea, and/or hit F1 for more info |
| 21:44.57 | eeyore- | kokkoo: i'm just saying, if they're disks, there have to be geometry files. if they're not, something is wrong :) |
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| 21:45.04 | major_payne | valdyn: Ok, thanks, I will give it a try |
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| 21:45.12 | mirak | version gcc 3.4.5 |
| 21:45.15 | vineet | LightVision: no, but it's likely on your hdb1 partition, since the installer normally installs grub by default |
| 21:45.15 | beardy | LightVision: 'mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt' 'chroot /mnt /bin/bash' 'grub-install' |
| 21:45.20 | mirak | I am going to bed, by |
| 21:45.22 | mirak | bye |
| 21:45.27 | bcc | is there a way to do a complete configuration as with debian installer one an existing debian box? |
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| 21:45.38 | jjazz | eeyore-: It's that new non-Euclidean disk stuff. Amazingly advanced. |
| 21:45.47 | valdyn | bcc: no |
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| 21:45.54 | kokkoo | eeyore- : i just put them in, same with the controller, loaded modconf, added module, and there they show up in dmesg, then i have to mknod them both, but cannot format the one. |
| 21:45.54 | eeyore- | kokkoo: maybe "dmesg | less" and examine the output carefully? |
| 21:45.58 | valdyn | bcc: and that idea sounds quite odd |
| 21:46.05 | bcc | valdyn: why odd? |
| 21:46.11 | vagabund | I take a flight to sydney - to meet her - |
| 21:46.17 | LightVision | beardy: so I type those 3 commands after each other? 'mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt' then type: 'chroot /mnt /bin/bash' and then 'grub-install' ? |
| 21:46.20 | Bodi-San | what do I have to install to be able to view the files on a windows network? |
| 21:46.25 | peterS | vagabund: yeah, you do that |
| 21:46.30 | jjazz | Bodi-San: SAMBA |
| 21:46.32 | eeyore- | kokkoo: right, and with good reason. fdisk probably can't make sense of /dev/hdi either, riht? |
| 21:46.39 | jhaig | Can I ask a slightly off topic question? I've done a tcpdump and I'm seeing a lot of traffic on port 1169 from a Windows machine on the local network. What is port 1169 for? Might this be a spambot or trojan? |
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| 21:46.48 | chrisq | bcc: dpkg-reconfigure debian-base might do something? |
| 21:46.54 | bcc | valdyn: i want to install debian in chroot on a temp drive and then re-run the config so all hardware is detected |
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| 21:46.57 | peterS | jhaig: could be |
| 21:47.02 | beardy | !port 1169 |
| 21:47.06 | kokkoo | eeyore- : sorry, but cfdisk can format the other hdd np. |
| 21:47.24 | jjazz | Bodi-San: Actually, I don't know if you need the Samba server if the files are on the windows network. smbclient might be waht you want. Or smbmount. Not sure if they're in the same package as the Samba server or not. |
| 21:47.30 | chrisq | bcc: hardware detection is dine mostly automatically |
| 21:47.32 | valdyn | bcc: hardware is detected on each reboot, the debian installer doesnt do that exclusively |
| 21:47.36 | LightVision | beardy: yes? |
| 21:47.37 | peterS | jjazz: no, separate packages |
| 21:47.38 | eeyore- | kokkoo: fdisk -l /dev/hdj; fdisk -l /dev/hdi |
| 21:47.41 | bcc | i see |
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| 21:47.51 | bcc | what about grub and making initrd? |
| 21:47.56 | peterS | LightVision: sounds good to me |
| 21:47.58 | chrisq | bcc: try installing a newer kernel if something is missing |
| 21:47.59 | Bodi-San | jjazz... I installed samba with synaptic, and it sees the network, the workgroup (mshome) but when I try to enter it gives an error |
| 21:48.00 | bcc | and the mbr |
| 21:48.06 | beardy | LightVision: Yes. |
| 21:48.07 | kokkoo | eeyore- : i guess you want #flood for that one :) |
| 21:48.08 | chrisq | bcc: apt-cache search kernel |
| 21:48.18 | eeyore- | kokkoo: just examine the output carefully :) |
| 21:48.21 | bcc | nothing is missing |
| 21:48.23 | valdyn | bcc: grub-install can install grub wherever you want. |
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| 21:48.35 | chrisq | bcc: initrd isnt remade |
| 21:48.35 | kokkoo | eeyore- : well i get /dev/hdj1 1 36483 293049666 83 Linux |
| 21:48.42 | asuffield | may need to mount /proc as well, I can't remember |
| 21:48.42 | bcc | nah, i'm talking about configuring it. not installing |
| 21:48.50 | gozz | chrisq i googled and it should work cause they wer testing different brands of media with k3b and my drive but it was dvd media so i checked a dvd and it works |
| 21:48.50 | jjazz | Bodi-San: there's all kinds of permissions and username stuff that needs to be configured on the Server end. I really don't know how to do that on the Windows server end. |
| 21:48.55 | valdyn | bcc: nothing to configure there |
| 21:49.03 | eeyore- | kokkoo: first lines of output from "fdisk -l" should contain geometry information |
| 21:49.07 | LightVision | beardy: when I type grub-install, it says "install_device not specified" what should I tell it? is the command "install-grub hda" ? |
| 21:49.11 | kokkoo | eeyore- : seems to be just find for me |
| 21:49.15 | eeyore- | kokkoo: did you completely miss the first five lines or so of output? |
| 21:49.17 | chrisq | gozz: weird then... did you try any other burning apps? there are several |
| 21:49.18 | beardy | LightVision: man grub-install |
| 21:49.32 | gozz | like? |
| 21:49.35 | bcc | ok, so if i install debian in a chroot and simply move it to the read drive, will it work? |
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| 21:49.40 | kokkoo | eeyore- : Disk /dev/hdj: 300.0 GB, 300090728448 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 36483 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 21:49.46 | thingfish | LightVision: usually it wants something like grub-install /dev/hda or whatever. |
| 21:49.48 | bcc | read -> real |
| 21:49.51 | valdyn | bcc: nope, moving it isnt that trivial |
| 21:49.53 | LightVision | thingfish: ok thanks |
| 21:49.55 | eeyore- | kokkoo: how about /dev/hdi? |
| 21:49.56 | chrisq | gozz: dont remember... does gcombust still exist? |
| 21:50.02 | valdyn | bcc: just install it on the 'real' drive? |
| 21:50.06 | chrisq | gozz: apt-cache search burn |
| 21:50.08 | bcc | can't it's remove |
| 21:50.09 | Revenger | bah |
| 21:50.11 | kokkoo | eeyore- : i get no information from /dev/hdi |
| 21:50.11 | Revenger | about time. |
| 21:50.12 | bcc | remote |
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| 21:50.15 | gozz | k |
| 21:50.15 | asuffield | bcc: cp -ax / /target, and then fix up fstab by hand because it'll be wrong |
| 21:50.25 | eeyore- | kokkoo: yeah, is this a dead drive? :) |
| 21:50.40 | mz_work | gozz: graveman is working quite well for me |
| 21:50.41 | chrisq | gozz: then just apt-get install burnerprogname |
| 21:50.44 | eeyore- | kokkoo: sorry it took a while for me to ask that question :) |
| 21:50.45 | Bodi-San | isn't there any automatic settings? like on mandriva (I'm asking that because I'm a complete beginner, I have linux since yesterday :)) |
| 21:50.56 | kokkoo | eeyore- : hehe no, its right there in controller bios :) |
| 21:50.59 | mirak | jjazz: I like you nick |
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| 21:51.03 | nico8481 | hi |
| 21:51.11 | eeyore- | kokkoo: it might be ok to give its names to the controller |
| 21:51.15 | bcc | asuffield: what about the mbr? |
| 21:51.21 | jjazz | Bodi-San: Not really. Ubuntu or Knoppix might do such things automatically. |
| 21:51.21 | eeyore- | kokkoo: i've had some IBM drives that would report its name, but that's about it |
| 21:51.29 | jjazz | mirak: Thank you. :) |
| 21:51.31 | mlewis00 | I have zipped a file on a Windows system with PKZip and split the archive into 2.88MB segments...what is the best way to reassemble the file on a Debian Etch system (unzip and Ark do not work)? |
| 21:51.35 | kokkoo | eeyore- : ok how? :) |
| 21:51.45 | eeyore- | kokkoo: because the info comes from ROM/flash, and doesn't involve spinning up any mechanism |
| 21:51.47 | Bodi-San | ok... I'll dig into it. |
| 21:51.56 | asuffield | bcc: <shrug> fixing the bootloader is left as an exercise for the student, should it be necessary |
| 21:51.58 | valdyn | Bodi-San: samba has a logfile, 'tail -f /var/log/samba/log.smbd', then try to log in and watch the log |
| 21:52.00 | eeyore- | kokkoo: so just because the name is available doesn't mean the drive isn't effectively dead |
| 21:52.05 | mirak | jjazz: in fact it's the music I love :) |
| 21:52.13 | mirak | not really your nick ;) |
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| 21:52.15 | bcc | asuffield: the box is 5 states away. |
| 21:52.23 | LightVision | thingfish: what does GRUB device name mean or a system device filename? |
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| 21:52.36 | jjazz | mlewis00: I don't know what splitting the files does. Does cat work? cat file1 file2 > complete_file |
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| 21:52.39 | bcc | asuffield: i can't push buttons with my mind, that would be an excersice of a different kind |
| 21:52.40 | kokkoo | eeyore- : i can do a reboot but that shouldnt be neccesary would it? i havent rebooted since i modconfed |
| 21:52.48 | chrisq | Bodi-San: did you set guest = ok and browsable in the samba config? |
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| 21:52.57 | bcc | asuffield: otherwise, i would just use the install cd |
| 21:53.03 | eeyore- | kokkoo: i would switch the drive out of position hdi and put it in hdj position, repeat experiment |
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| 21:53.09 | asuffield | bcc: it's not like the thing was booting from a chroot in the first place. I've no idea what your boot configuration looks like or how it would have to change |
| 21:53.11 | eeyore- | kokkoo: convince yourself that the drive isn't dead |
| 21:53.12 | jjazz | mirak: I'm all over the map musically. I don't actually listen to a whole lot of jazz these days. |
| 21:53.21 | mlewis00 | jjazz: No, it is split by pkzip and requires a zip archiver to reassemble... |
| 21:53.31 | kokkoo | eeyore- its not, thrust me :_) |
| 21:53.32 | eeyore- | bcc: pc-weazel |
| 21:53.36 | jjazz | mlewis00: Ah. That I do not know about. |
| 21:53.37 | bcc | asuffield: that's why i'm trying to figure out how to run the same apps as are being run during the install |
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| 21:53.47 | eeyore- | kokkoo: why? just because it shows up on some boot-time query? |
| 21:53.50 | mlewis00 | jjazz: Thanks anyway :) |
| 21:53.54 | jjazz | :) |
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| 21:54.01 | eeyore- | bcc: besides, there are some remote-controlled power sockets |
| 21:54.14 | asuffield | mlewis00: unzip bloody well should work |
| 21:54.17 | LightVision | when you install grub on a clean hda, does it create a menu that appears at boot time? |
| 21:54.30 | pesco | Any user of proofgeneral/isabelle here by any chance? |
| 21:54.40 | chrisq | bcc: dpkg-reconfigure packagename would do that |
| 21:54.40 | beardy | mlewis00: Just give all the filenames to it. Should work, your archive may be broken perhaps? |
| 21:54.48 | kokkoo | eeyore- it shows up in dmesg aswell, and the hpt366 found it after boottime. |
| 21:54.51 | bcc | eeyore-: dude, if i could get to the box to hook it up, i wouldn't have a problem inserting the install disk now would i? |
| 21:55.14 | vagabund | LightVision: can I meet you down under? |
| 21:55.22 | LightVision | vagabund: what? |
| 21:55.22 | bcc | chrisq: ok, i'll try it |
| 21:55.24 | mlewis00 | asuffield: Says "true multi-part support doesn't exist yet. Coming soon"... |
| 21:55.28 | qpanas | witam |
| 21:55.40 | qpanas | nie znam angielskiego |
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| 21:55.48 | qpanas | szukam krajana |
| 21:55.51 | LightVision | vagabund: who is a mommy's boy now? |
| 21:55.51 | mlewis00 | beardy: Give all the filenames to what? |
| 21:55.55 | Boter | why is wtmp used? |
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| 21:56.01 | beardy | mlewis00: Why didn't you say that? Then you know why ot doesnät work. |
| 21:56.02 | nico8481 | someone using debian/ubuntu on a mac? |
| 21:56.04 | beardy | mlewis00: unzip.. |
| 21:56.13 | Boter | if i look in file there are only some weird things in it |
| 21:56.13 | Boter | :) |
| 21:56.21 | LightVision | nico8481: you can run linux on a mac? |
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| 21:56.42 | nico8481 | LightVision, yup |
| 21:56.44 | vagabund | LightVision: in her heard? |
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| 21:56.46 | mlewis00 | beardy: I know unzip and ark do not work...I was trying to find an alternative :-) |
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| 21:57.04 | Bodi-San | I can't find where to activate browsable |
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| 21:57.11 | LightVision | beardy: i did those commands you gave me, but it still wont load Debian from my hdb. Any other ideas? |
| 21:57.25 | LightVision | nico8481: what processor does your mac have? |
| 21:58.08 | major_payne | Linux26 got us past the usb stuff, but now it is stuck at the line "ip1394 : eth1 : ide1394........" |
| 21:58.13 | valdyn | !info 7z |
| 21:58.18 | mfrisch | anybody use acidrip to rip dvd's, my video is fine, but my sound is played off. |
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| 21:58.35 | chrisq | Bodi-San: just set |
| 21:58.37 | chrisq | browsable = yes |
| 21:58.38 | nico8481 | LightVision, i don't have a mac yet |
| 21:58.43 | nico8481 | LightVision, just asking |
| 21:58.44 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, I use just plain debian on 3 apple G5's |
| 21:58.45 | chrisq | Bodi-San: in the share |
| 21:58.45 | Edward_TLS | ;) |
| 21:58.59 | LightVision | nico8481: im waiting for macs using 386 |
| 21:59.02 | valdyn | mlewis00: you could try p7zip, though i doubt its > unzip |
| 21:59.06 | Edward_TLS | and osx on my PB |
| 21:59.20 | major_payne | Linux26 got us past the usb stuff, but now it is stuck at the line "ip1394 : eth1 : ide1394........" |
| 21:59.24 | nico8481 | LightVision, could wait a long time :p |
| 21:59.30 | SuperSox | I'm having a slight problem with ndiswrappers... well, more lspci, nither of my ethernet cards show up in it even although one is working (sorry, ehternet or wireless card) is it because they are pcmcia or am I misisng something entirely? |
| 21:59.31 | LightVision | peterS: I did those commands i was givien, but it still wont load Debian from my hdb. Any other ideas? |
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| 21:59.38 | mlewis00 | valdyn: I'll check it out...thanks! |
| 21:59.42 | LightVision | nico8481: they told me january 2006 |
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| 21:59.49 | valdyn | major_payne: disable it in your bios |
| 22:00.07 | major_payne | valdyn: thanks will try that |
| 22:00.18 | peterS | LightVision: not offhand. boot loader config is a bit finicky and site-specific, so it's rather hard to debug over irc |
| 22:00.23 | nico8481 | LightVision, anyway i was chatting with some guys on a macosx channel, and the guys told me they feared apple would follow the path of MS with "product-activation" and stuff one on intel... |
| 22:00.30 | peterS | LightVision: in any case I've got to go now so I don't have time to walk you through it anyway |
| 22:00.38 | nico8481 | LightVision, but well maybe they're completely wrong :p |
| 22:00.58 | nico8481 | anyway i'm considering getting a mac (powerpc) one of these days... |
| 22:01.00 | LightVision | ok :) |
| 22:01.05 | mfrisch | LightVision what you trying to do |
| 22:01.06 | LightVision | peterS: ok |
| 22:01.09 | nico8481 | but i'm not sure this is a good idea :-/ |
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| 22:01.22 | sal | What is the option to force install with apt-get? |
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| 22:01.30 | me_here | apt-get -f |
| 22:01.35 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, running OSx or linux... ? |
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| 22:01.52 | dogmeat | after mount /cdrom, is there a way to access the iso image? |
| 22:01.55 | sal | Why isn't irssi in marillat or debian.org repositories? |
| 22:01.56 | Edward_TLS | I have my G5 at home runnning linux (debian) and my powerboor running osX |
| 22:01.56 | nico8481 | edward_, OSX i think, but Linux if i don't like OSX :p |
| 22:01.56 | LightVision | mfrisch: I have Debian on my hdb, but my hda is totally formated and wiped! so I want to create a grub menu that contains Debian from hdb and that will load it! any help would be deeply appreciated |
| 22:02.13 | valdyn | dogmeat: mounting is not required, cat /dev/cdrom > file.iso |
| 22:02.15 | vca | apt-get -f == fix, not force. |
| 22:02.18 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, , although i'm a bit bored of linux :-( |
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| 22:02.23 | beardy | sal: irssi-text |
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| 22:02.30 | eeyore- | LightVision: ok, lets take a step back |
| 22:02.31 | mfrisch | LightVision is anything going on hda? |
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| 22:02.42 | sal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.42 | vagabund | in Sydney its 8:00 -hm is she at work? |
| 22:02.49 | Bodi-San | I think I set them in this file: file:/etc/samba/smb.conf. (guest ok = yes, browseable = yes) |
| 22:02.50 | sal | me_here, -f doesn't work |
| 22:02.50 | eeyore- | LightVision: you need at least the grub stage1 on the boot sector of hda. have you done that? |
| 22:02.52 | LightVision | mfrisch: not at this stage no. |
| 22:02.52 | peterS | vagabund: dude, stop it |
| 22:02.57 | Bodi-San | is it ok? |
| 22:03.03 | sal | It says missing dependencies....I want apt-get to install something even if it is missing dependencies |
| 22:03.05 | LightVision | eeyore-: no I havent, dont know how to do that :( |
| 22:03.10 | suspro | can ne one tell me where can i get debian sarge dvd iso |
| 22:03.21 | major_payne | valdyn: I cant find the option to disable ide 1394 in bios |
| 22:03.21 | eeyore- | LightVision: run grub in interactive mode. i'll give you the commands one by one. |
| 22:03.22 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, switching was hard.. now I am use to OSx works well... |
| 22:03.23 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, i mean having a copy-paste functionnality which *works* (and not once through ctrl-v, the other time through middle mouse click, a third time through something else) would not be luxury :p |
| 22:03.26 | LightVision | eeyore-: how do I get grub stage1 on the boot sector of hda? |
| 22:03.26 | mfrisch | LightVision what eeyore- said. |
| 22:03.30 | tuv | gthumb used to have an optoin for downloading photos from digital cameras into directories reflecting shooting date/time.. it doesn't anymore.. why is the feature removed? how can acheive this alternatively? |
| 22:03.32 | valdyn | major_payne: maybe its called firewire |
| 22:03.35 | *** join/#debian werw (n=asdf@200.9.237.254) |
| 22:03.36 | sal | How can I install something even if it has missing dependencies in apt-get? |
| 22:03.38 | suspro | hellloooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:03.39 | LightVision | eeyore-: ok thank you. |
| 22:03.40 | eeyore- | ligthv: first of, where is your /boot partition (the one that contains grub stage1/stage2 files, etc) |
| 22:03.44 | *** join/#debian WatchDog (n=watchdog@catv3EC96951.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 22:03.44 | suspro | can ne one tell me where can i get debian sarge dvd iso |
| 22:03.49 | *** part/#debian WatchDog (n=watchdog@catv3EC96951.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 22:03.56 | debianised | Is it possible to complain to debian about a maintainer who broke a package and so blocked upgrade nowing it and WANTING it ?? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332 this guy has set a dependancy to kernel 2.6.12 which is not shipped with any version of debian, not even packaged... |
| 22:04.01 | peterS | suspro: first of all, "anyone" is just as fast to type as "ne one" |
| 22:04.05 | eeyore- | LightVision: ^^^, what's the grub partition? |
| 22:04.05 | LightVision | eeyore-: how do I now run grub in interactive mode? |
| 22:04.06 | suspro | can anyone tell me where can i get debian sarge dvd iso |
| 22:04.06 | beardy | sal: man apt-get, search (/) --force, don't do it. |
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| 22:04.16 | peterS | suspro: by saying "ne one" you are discouraging us from wanting to help you. it makes you sound 13 years old |
| 22:04.16 | LightVision | eeyore-: what you mean? |
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| 22:04.34 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, wiith iTERM your term almost works like xterm on linux |
| 22:04.35 | suspro | lol peter |
| 22:04.35 | eeyore- | LightVision: where are grub's stage1/stage2 files located? |
| 22:04.38 | werw | Anybody knows how to replace how to replace _m4_divert_diversion from aclocal (deprecated)? |
| 22:04.40 | suspro | i apologise |
| 22:04.42 | LightVision | eeyore-: the grub partition? hda is totally cleaned, and Debin sits on hdb |
| 22:04.45 | chrisq | sal: download the deb and install with dpkg -i --force-deps package.deb |
| 22:04.51 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, what does that mean? |
| 22:04.52 | werw | sorry for the dupe |
| 22:04.58 | LightVision | eeyore-: I dont understand your question |
| 22:05.03 | eeyore- | LightVision: i heard that. but "debian installed on hdb" is not specific enough |
| 22:05.05 | jjazz | suspro: "lol" is kind of annoying too, btw. Are you sure you want the DVD? Would the netinst or business card do just as well? |
| 22:05.09 | chrisq | sal: you usually dont want to install stuff when you dont have the deps though |
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| 22:05.12 | eeyore- | LightVision: where is debian installed on hdb? |
| 22:05.13 | debianised | Worse, he does even explains on his blog that he doesn't give a damn about it since sid is "unstable", well, i use testing and this shouldn't be in teting, unless i'm wrong |
| 22:05.14 | suspro | so can anyone tell where can i get debian sarge dvd iso version |
| 22:05.16 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, well. you can use contr-c and v to copy and paste |
| 22:05.23 | major_payne | valdyn: I cant find the option to disable fireware, its a laptop and the bios has very little in it |
| 22:05.27 | kokkoo | eeyore- : can you look at my dmesg spam #flood |
| 22:05.28 | LightVision | eeyore-: what you mean where? |
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| 22:05.33 | danieldg | debianised: 2.6.12 is packaged as linux-image not kernel-image, and it's in testing |
| 22:05.35 | yel | hello everyone |
| 22:05.36 | LightVision | eeyore-: you asking for sectors? |
| 22:05.46 | valdyn | major_payne: that's unfortunate, i know nothing about your laptop |
| 22:05.52 | eeyore- | LightVision: no, one sec. "mount | grep /boot", what's the output? |
| 22:05.55 | valdyn | !tell major_payne -about laptops |
| 22:06.00 | suspro | omg no one talking to me |
| 22:06.01 | bcc | is there any reason not to use 2.6 on a server? |
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| 22:06.12 | SuperSox | anyone got any suggestions as to why my lspci seems a little sparse? |
| 22:06.19 | ircops_home | boo |
| 22:06.20 | chrisq | bcc: nope, i use it on several |
| 22:06.21 | yel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.28 | LightVision | eeyore-: Debian is on /dev/hdb1 as far as I know |
| 22:06.30 | bcc | chrisq: ok, thanks. |
| 22:06.33 | debianised | danieldg, allright, but i still think that breaking that way is not acceptable |
| 22:06.36 | chrisq | bcc: most actually |
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| 22:06.40 | eeyore- | LightVision: "mount | grep /boot", is there output? |
| 22:06.43 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, dunno, it's not only with terms... but sometimes you can use ctrl-c/ctrl-v, some other time it doesn't work, you then have to highlight the stuff to copy and middle-click to paste it, and sometimes even that doesn't work and there doesn't seem to be any way to copy-paste the stuff... |
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| 22:06.48 | jerome | good evening all |
| 22:06.52 | suspro | peter u there |
| 22:06.53 | debianised | eans for one package i got to change my kernel or my debian is broken, right ? |
| 22:06.54 | suspro | ?? |
| 22:06.58 | _zxsykco | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 22:06.58 | sal | chrisq, I want to install azureus...but it tells me I don't have j2re |
| 22:06.59 | debianised | eans = means |
| 22:07.05 | sal | I downloaded and installed jdk though |
| 22:07.13 | sal | I untared it, and moved it to /usr/java/bin |
| 22:07.14 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, depending on the apps or i don't know what |
| 22:07.17 | kokkoo | eeyore- : ok now im really confused.... cfdisk worked after reboot... |
| 22:07.18 | ircops_home | jerome: hello |
| 22:07.20 | _zxsykco | suspro: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 22:07.21 | LightVision | eeyore-: "mount | grep /boot" = no output at all |
| 22:07.22 | chrisq | sal: you should be fine then, install it like i said |
| 22:07.23 | sal | And it works because I use openoffice with jdk |
| 22:07.27 | suspro | zaxykco is any dvd iso version ? |
| 22:07.28 | _zxsykco | Goggle next time. |
| 22:07.39 | eeyore- | LightVision: fine. now run "grub", you'll be in the grub console. tell me when you're done |
| 22:07.40 | _zxsykco | ? |
| 22:07.44 | chrisq | apt-get -d install package i think |
| 22:07.50 | valdyn | sal: that is just plain ugly, '/msg dpkg java-package' |
| 22:08.16 | LightVision | eeyore-: i booted from Debian CD into prompt! is that where I should be? |
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| 22:08.27 | suspro | where is download link ???????? |
| 22:08.30 | _zxsykco | If you want to be. |
| 22:08.35 | vick | Can i install apt-get on mingw32 ? |
| 22:08.37 | valdyn | !confuse suspro |
| 22:08.39 | dpkg | Yes, what is my pants yesterday, suspro? breeches of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 22:08.41 | _zxsykco | x86? |
| 22:08.43 | chrisq | sal: oops it was dpkg -i --force-depends package.deb |
| 22:08.46 | debianised | danieldg, i can't even install linux-image since apt yells at hal beeing broke (hal depends on udev) |
| 22:08.56 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, i hope that macosx has a copy-paste feature that works the same way all the time :p |
| 22:08.56 | suspro | yes i clicked on dat |
| 22:09.03 | kokkoo | eeyore- : but i am not getting geometry, but its repporting 300gb size, will that be a problem in future ? |
| 22:09.03 | jerome | I'm looking for a nice presentation tool (ala mgp) which i could use to create a presentation (slides) and an "article" (slides + comments) on a letter/A4 format. I use beamer usually, but it's not really handy to create the article ... I don't really like the idea of using openoffice.org, so any idea ? |
| 22:09.05 | eeyore- | LightVision: ok then, take another step back |
| 22:09.05 | suspro | http://www.debian.org/ports/i386/ |
| 22:09.12 | eeyore- | kokkoo: one sec |
| 22:09.15 | LightVision | eeyore-: ok |
| 22:09.16 | suspro | and it gives me this |
| 22:09.19 | dondelelcaro | jerome: latex is fairly well set up to do that |
| 22:09.28 | chrisq | jerome: openoffice has something for that i think |
| 22:09.32 | _zxsykco | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 22:09.35 | LightVision | eeyore-: im at a promot now |
| 22:09.40 | jerome | dondelelcaro: well, beamer is latex, but it pretty annoying for the article part. |
| 22:09.48 | eeyore- | LightVision: fdisk -l /dev/hdb | grep 83 | wc -l, what's the output? |
| 22:09.52 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, well.. sometimes u must switch back to ctrl-c and ctrl-v most of the time the apple key and v en c work welll |
| 22:09.53 | dondelelcaro | jerome: beamer may be, but latex isn't... |
| 22:10.09 | suspro | zxsykco is only 354 mb |
| 22:10.22 | jerome | dondelelcaro: well, latex with extensions like prosper, slitex, beamer ... |
| 22:10.26 | suspro | it says 4.2 gb while downloading it says 354 |
| 22:10.34 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, ok so using ctrl-c/ctrl-v all the time should be ok |
| 22:10.38 | LightVision | eeyore-: output is "1" |
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| 22:10.54 | dondelelcaro | jerome: yes, but you don't have to use those in the article |
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| 22:11.05 | eeyore- | LightVision: did someone tell you to mount /dev/hdb1 somewhere and chroot into it? |
| 22:11.07 | _zxsykco | that's ok download whichever install you'd like an the md5 and check it and burn it! |
| 22:11.14 | suspro | zxskco what is going on ? |
| 22:11.18 | LightVision | eeyore-: yes but I didnt do that yet |
| 22:11.20 | BiBe | hi, i'd like to copy an image from firefox with a rightclick to the clipboard and then insert it to e.g. an openoffice document. but i can't find an according method!? |
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| 22:11.23 | jerome | dondelelcaro: well, my point is to have only one source (easier to maintain, distribute, etc) |
| 22:11.30 | suspro | so it is not dvd version |
| 22:11.37 | LightVision | eeyore-: should I have? |
| 22:11.40 | eeyore- | LightVision: ok then, mkdir /tmp/hdb1-root; mount /dev/hdb1 /tmp/hdb1-root; chroot /tmp/hdb1-root /bin/bash |
| 22:12.00 | dondelelcaro | jerome: right, but there's no problem with having multiple files that define the layout of the presentation, the layout of the article, and then a third file that actually has the content |
| 22:12.16 | LightVision | eeyore-: they said type: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt,chroot /mnt /bin/bash,grub-install /dev/hda |
| 22:12.20 | LightVision | eeyore-: was that right? |
| 22:12.30 | eeyore- | LightVision: i don't like grub-install |
| 22:12.37 | _zxsykco | Not that I know of. |
| 22:12.42 | *** part/#debian lee_ (n=lee@cbl-sd-59-44.aster.com.do) |
| 22:12.48 | _zxsykco | http://www.wordit.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/65 |
| 22:12.56 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, yes should be 97% ok |
| 22:13.00 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, what do you think about OSX? do you feel it "intrusive" (asking tons of questions/personnal info while installing, registration required to be able to download system/security updates...?) |
| 22:13.00 | Fleck | can some1 help me with Software RAID? |
| 22:13.04 | eeyore- | LightVision: the essence is the same. just the directories are different. |
| 22:13.13 | ircops_home | Fleck: what's the question? |
| 22:13.13 | LightVision | eeyore-: ok, so instead I should type: mkdir /tmp/hdb1-root then mount /dev/hdb1 /tmp/hdb1-root, and then "chroot /tmp/hdb1-root /bin/bash" ? |
| 22:13.15 | suspro | do i have to buy ? |
| 22:13.19 | eeyore- | LightVision: and i don't use grub-install |
| 22:13.26 | _zxsykco | <font size="-1"><font color="#008000"><span dir="ltr">ftp.sun.ac.za/ftp/iso-images/<b>debian</b>/<b>sarge</b>/<b>dvd</b>/</span> </font></font> |
| 22:13.32 | valdyn | suspro: which link are your trying to download? |
| 22:13.37 | eeyore- | LightVision: it doesn't matter where you do it as long as you do it :) /tmp/hdb1-root is just as good as /mnt |
| 22:13.41 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, I would say do it..do give it some time and i really mean it you will like it... |
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| 22:13.45 | suspro | here |
| 22:13.48 | LightVision | eeyore-: Ok I typed those commands you gave me. |
| 22:13.52 | suspro | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 22:13.52 | ircops_home | _zxsykco: what? |
| 22:14.00 | eeyore- | LightVision: once you're in your chroot environment, run "grub" |
| 22:14.06 | _zxsykco | http://ftp.sun.ac.za/ftp/iso-images/debian/sarge/dvd/ |
| 22:14.09 | Fleck | ircops_home well i need to set UP mirroring, i have two HDD the sime size and i installed linux on first devices (SATA - /dev/sda1) - how can i create mirroring in /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 22:14.11 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, not that I am a mac lover... I only have my powerboor running osx for almost 2 weeks now |
| 22:14.12 | suspro | what is that @ zxskchl |
| 22:14.20 | nico8481 | hehe |
| 22:14.28 | nico8481 | would buy an iBook myself |
| 22:14.29 | valdyn | suspro: these are full dvd images, period |
| 22:14.40 | valdyn | suspro: maybe your client cant handle files of that size? |
| 22:14.42 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, what about the "intrusive" aspect? is there any? |
| 22:14.43 | Edward_TLS | nico8481,powerbook looks nice.. I have a 15" |
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| 22:14.57 | Edward_TLS | intrusive meaning... ? |
| 22:14.59 | suspro | valdy could you try to download n chk |
| 22:14.59 | LightVision | eeyore-: ok I typed "grub" |
| 22:15.03 | _zxsykco | Google for debian sarge dvd |
| 22:15.05 | nico8481 | bah, iBooks look good enough for me |
| 22:15.06 | _zxsykco | Google for debian sarge dvd! |
| 22:15.07 | suspro | i've checked on bittorent too |
| 22:15.11 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, private msg in dutch if that's ok.. ;) |
| 22:15.22 | suspro | i've check zxskco |
| 22:15.23 | eeyore- | LightVision: now type, root (hd1,0) |
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| 22:15.26 | nico8481 | can't speak dutch :-/ |
| 22:15.28 | eeyore- | LightVision: what's the output? |
| 22:15.36 | _zxsykco | hast du eine taphelappen? |
| 22:15.39 | LightVision | eeyore-: it now says grub> |
| 22:15.51 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, sorry |
| 22:15.55 | suspro | i think debian dont have dvd version |
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| 22:16.08 | LightVision | eeyore-: it said: Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 |
| 22:16.16 | _zxsykco | I think it is supposed to cost a few bucks. |
| 22:16.25 | valdyn | suspro: use wget maybe for that download |
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| 22:16.31 | Hannibal | suspro: they do, read the stuff on www.debian.org |
| 22:16.37 | suspro | i tried even on jiglo |
| 22:16.38 | valdyn | suspro: i tried, it is 4.xG |
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| 22:16.42 | eeyore- | LightVision: now type, find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 22:16.44 | vick | Hello, Can i install apt-get on mingw32 ? |
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| 22:16.48 | suspro | same problem |
| 22:16.49 | eeyore- | LightVision: what's the output? |
| 22:17.02 | LightVision | eeyore-: (hd0,0) |
| 22:17.02 | LightVision | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.07 | suspro | can you give me the link @ valdyn |
| 22:17.08 | stouset | Anyone tried compiling zsnes on amd64 before? |
| 22:17.18 | eeyore- | LightVision: now type in, setup(hd0) |
| 22:17.30 | Hannibal | I have a rather silly question I suppose. I want to setup my network card to obtain an ip adress etc. etc. from a DHCP server (run by my ISP) |
| 22:17.35 | suspro | it says it 4.x gb but while downloading it says 375 |
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| 22:17.50 | _zxsykco | stouset: Yes, remotely. Had problems. |
| 22:18.02 | Hannibal | I put 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces, and rebooted |
| 22:18.03 | suspro | valdyn u there |
| 22:18.06 | Hannibal | this didn't 'work' |
| 22:18.08 | mfrisch | Hannibal edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:18.10 | Hannibal | what did I do wrong? :) |
| 22:18.10 | valdyn | suspro: Length: 4,686,706,688 (4.4G) [application/octet-stream] |
| 22:18.12 | LightVision | eeyore-: done |
| 22:18.13 | eeyore- | LightVision: quit grub, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:18.16 | ircops_home | !tell Hannibal about dhcp client |
| 22:18.20 | valdyn | suspro: above is wget output |
| 22:18.24 | suspro | can you give me the lok |
| 22:18.38 | mfrisch | Hannibal install dhcp3-client |
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| 22:18.50 | LightVision | eeyore-: how do I edit edit /boot/grub/menu.lst from prompt? |
| 22:18.51 | valdyn | suspro: uh? you gave it to me already.. |
| 22:18.53 | Hannibal | mfrisch: already have that. |
| 22:18.54 | tuv | kde is not installable in testing!! |
| 22:19.03 | tarzeau | tuv: that's normal |
| 22:19.07 | humbraro | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.07 | eeyore- | LightVision: vi or nano, probably nano |
| 22:19.13 | Hannibal | mfrisch I did read the docs on it on debian.org :) |
| 22:19.13 | nico8481 | sorry, got disconnected |
| 22:19.25 | ircops_home | tuv: due to dependency problems? |
| 22:19.35 | stouset | _zxsykco: Did you ever succeed? |
| 22:19.37 | suspro | yes it says 4.2 while downloading it says 375 |
| 22:19.38 | Hannibal | let's try again :) |
| 22:19.42 | mfrisch | Hannibal edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:19.44 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, by "intrusive" i mean just what i said previously: does it require personal info while installing the OS, registration to apple network or something to be able to get system/security updates... ? |
| 22:20.01 | LightVision | eeyore-: never used nano before. cant even open a file from it :P |
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| 22:20.01 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, probably the word is not very well chosen :p |
| 22:20.07 | _zxsykco | Not on 64. |
| 22:20.13 | valdyn | suspro: and when you use wget ? |
| 22:20.21 | suspro | i dont have wget |
| 22:20.23 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, not really... you can get updates fast and that's it... |
| 22:20.28 | eeyore- | LightVision: you're gonna have to find some ways to edit the file. i leave that up to you |
| 22:20.30 | suspro | which browser you using ? |
| 22:20.31 | _zxsykco | But that was ubuntu and I am trying to get it to work with gentoo 64 |
| 22:20.35 | vagabund | LightVersion: use vi |
| 22:20.39 | suspro | me on xp pro dude |
| 22:20.46 | _zxsykco | Works great on x86! |
| 22:20.48 | Fleck | ircops_home can you help me? |
| 22:20.49 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, ... when you register? |
| 22:20.49 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, you don't really have to take care of the OS.. just think abount that apps and that's it.... |
| 22:20.58 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, or do you get them fast all the time? |
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| 22:21.01 | valdyn | suspro: get a real download client and use that, or dont get a DVD image |
| 22:21.02 | eeyore- | vagabund: are you gonna tell lightvision keystroke-by-keystroke commands to edit in vi? |
| 22:21.06 | LightVision | eeyore-: once I load /boot/grub/menu.lst, what do I type in it? |
| 22:21.07 | eeyore- | vagabund: good luck to you :-) |
| 22:21.16 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, I just registred mine yesterday.. |
| 22:21.16 | eeyore- | LightVision: you load it up first |
| 22:21.17 | suspro | can i get for me |
| 22:21.21 | _zxsykco | Did you install sdl nasm zlib and libpng? |
| 22:21.25 | ircops_home | Fleck: hmmm... don't think so, sorry. :) wish I knew more about raid 1 in linux... I have the winblows experience cuz of my job, but just not the linux experience |
| 22:21.29 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, hmm... don't know anything about the apps actually :p |
| 22:21.32 | LightVision | eeyore-: i just loaded /boot/grub/menu.lst from hdb1 |
| 22:21.32 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, updates are fast all times.... |
| 22:21.35 | FromTO | does anyone know of a music sharing program |
| 22:21.41 | tarzeau | FromTO: thttpd |
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| 22:21.44 | LightVision | eeyore-: now what? |
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| 22:21.51 | Fleck | ircops_home ok thanks for that anyway |
| 22:21.52 | vagabund | hm - then use what u adore - |
| 22:21.52 | shrike__ | FromTO, nicotine isnt all that bad |
| 22:21.53 | eeyore- | LightVision: locate the line for "root", what does it say? |
| 22:21.54 | _zxsykco | stuoset: Did you install sdl nasm zlib and libpng? |
| 22:21.56 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, well.. I don't also.. still got all to work what I need to do my work on it.. so |
| 22:22.02 | ircops_home | FromTO: P2P Client? |
| 22:22.03 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, no but i mean do you have to register to be allowed to get the updates? |
| 22:22.21 | LightVision | eeyore-: it says: root(hd0,0) |
| 22:22.21 | FromTO | ircops_home, yes |
| 22:22.30 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, no... no need to do that.... |
| 22:22.31 | eeyore- | LightVision: change hd0,0 to read hd1,0 |
| 22:22.32 | ircops_home | FromTO: www.limewire.org |
| 22:22.37 | ircops_home | FromTO: you will need java |
| 22:22.37 | suspro | valdyn u there |
| 22:22.38 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, it's not like sun/solaris.. ;) |
| 22:22.49 | LightVision | eeyore-: and another line says: root(hd0,1) |
| 22:22.51 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, i was rather thinking about windows :p |
| 22:23.02 | eeyore- | LightVision: they should all be hd1,0 |
| 22:23.05 | FromTO | ircops_home, does this work on Debian? |
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| 22:23.11 | ircops_home | FromTO: yes :) |
| 22:23.13 | eeyore- | LightVision: you don't have hd0,* any more (soon will not) |
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| 22:23.17 | t4dyce | howdo I disable appletalk, it starts at boot time and hangs my system |
| 22:23.21 | jjazz | suspro: Why do you need the dvd image? |
| 22:23.24 | FromTO | ircops_home, Thanks |
| 22:23.25 | Guerin | FromTO: try http://debian-unofficial.net |
| 22:23.27 | peterS | t4dyce: just remove the package. it's called netatalk |
| 22:23.27 | suspro | valdyn u there ? |
| 22:23.31 | Guerin | (might be .org) |
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| 22:23.44 | LightVision | eeyore-: sorry let me start again! for I was rewading the commments |
| 22:23.47 | t4dyce | thank you |
| 22:23.47 | eeyore- | LightVision: you're not touching non-linux targets, right? |
| 22:23.56 | ircops_home | FromTO: welcome |
| 22:23.59 | tuv | tarzeau, ircops_home: yup.. kde depends on kdegraphics, which depends on kamera, which depends on libexif10, which is not there! |
| 22:24.00 | LightVision | eeyore-: it says: root(hd1,0) |
| 22:24.07 | ChrisW_ | how do I use aptitude to install rkhunter? |
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| 22:24.15 | tarzeau | someone got a radeon/dri.sf.net ? and would like to try if a bug in bts also happens on him/her? |
| 22:24.17 | peterS | ChrisW_: aptitude install rkhunter |
| 22:24.19 | suspro | guerin u talking to me ? |
| 22:24.23 | eeyore- | LightVision: are you *sure*? :-) |
| 22:24.26 | tarzeau | tuv: that's nothing unusual |
| 22:24.34 | tarzeau | tuv: if you want kde use stable or do it yourself |
| 22:24.35 | Guerin | suspro: taalking to whoever wants lamewire |
| 22:24.38 | LightVision | eeyore-: and the last one says: root(hd0,0) |
| 22:24.43 | suspro | ok |
| 22:24.47 | drac | tarzeau: shoot |
| 22:24.50 | LightVision | eeyore-: i am 100% sure, why? |
| 22:24.56 | eeyore- | LightVision: i don't care what "first one" and "last one" is. i want to know what they are meant to do |
| 22:24.58 | ChrisW_ | # aptitude install rkhunter |
| 22:25.04 | tarzeau | drac: bugs.debian.org/327381 apt-get install pathogen |
| 22:25.05 | tuv | tarzeau: i don't need kde, but do need some kde apps |
| 22:25.06 | vladuz976 | can someone tell me how to read error messages when compiling, so i can find out what the errors i am getting are |
| 22:25.11 | suspro | anyone knows where can i get debian sarge dvd version ? |
| 22:25.12 | ircops_home | Guerin: eh? |
| 22:25.17 | ChrisW_ | -> ouldn't find any package whose name or description matched "rkhunter" |
| 22:25.19 | tarzeau | tuv: well use stable then (your problem still) |
| 22:25.24 | peterS | suspro: start at http://cdimage.debian.org/ |
| 22:25.26 | eeyore- | LightVision: what are the titles that go with "first one" and "last one"? |
| 22:25.28 | LightVision | eeyore-: before I wipted hda, I had mepis running from hda and debian from hdb |
| 22:25.36 | tuv | tarzeau: i don't find it normal.. especially for such frequently used packages |
| 22:25.37 | ChrisW_ | how come aptitude said that to me? |
| 22:25.38 | tarzeau | tuv: or join the kde people making debian packages |
| 22:25.48 | eeyore- | LightVision: then, whichever one belongs to debian, make it read root(hd1,0) |
| 22:25.48 | tarzeau | tuv: well your findings are not relevant. it IS normal |
| 22:25.48 | LightVision | eeyore-: can I paste this whole file in the website? |
| 22:25.50 | peterS | ChrisW_: try 'aptitude update' |
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| 22:26.00 | suspro | peter where is dvd iso version ? |
| 22:26.03 | sal | How do I change my system time? |
| 22:26.05 | peterS | ChrisW_: rkhunter appeared very recently in unstable. it's not in sarge or etch |
| 22:26.06 | eeyore- | LightVision: save, and reboot |
| 22:26.10 | Guerin | ircops_home: am i speaking swahili? |
| 22:26.12 | peterS | suspro: start at http://cdimage.debian.org/ |
| 22:26.12 | tarzeau | tuv: frequency usage of programs have absolutely no relation to brokenness of software |
| 22:26.16 | LightVision | eeyore-: that was already as root(hd1,0) |
| 22:26.32 | LightVision | eeyore-: initially Debian was loading from hdb |
| 22:26.32 | ircops_home | Guerin: booga*click*pop*pop*uh |
| 22:26.42 | ChrisW_ | peterS: oh, so how can I get it if I'm runing sarge? |
| 22:26.46 | tarzeau | sal: rdate/date/hwclock |
| 22:26.46 | peterS | ChrisW_: dunno |
| 22:26.56 | peterS | ChrisW_: there's always chkrootkit though |
| 22:27.03 | ChrisW_ | and why do I have a load of libs now marked as "kept back"? |
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| 22:27.16 | suspro | all same size buddy @ peter |
| 22:27.17 | ChrisW_ | peterS: yeah, I;m trying to check a false positive from chkrootkit |
| 22:27.17 | LightVision | eeyore-: is hd0 same as hda? and is hd1 same as hdb ? |
| 22:27.20 | Edward_TLS | nico8481, I still would say just get it and try it out with OSx .... if not off just install debian |
| 22:27.20 | tuv | tarzeau: but high demand and popularity allows for faster recovery from problems |
| 22:27.23 | ChrisW_ | well, I hope it's a false positive... |
| 22:27.33 | tarzeau | tuv: no that's not true |
| 22:27.45 | tuv | tarzeau: due to plenty of feedback |
| 22:27.50 | tarzeau | tuv: bullshit, i disagree |
| 22:27.53 | eeyore- | LightVision: not necessarily |
| 22:27.53 | ChrisW_ | Guerin knows the score, I mentionde it a few hours earlier... |
| 22:27.58 | tarzeau | tuv: feedback doesn't make packages |
| 22:28.01 | tuv | tarzeau: you have that right |
| 22:28.06 | eeyore- | LightVision: hd0 = first hard drive in the system, hd1 = second hard drive in the system |
| 22:28.15 | LightVision | eeyore-: ok thanks |
| 22:28.15 | kokkoo | eeyore- Transferred 1 file totaling 1.37 GB in 47.98 seconds (30,170.3 KB/s) not too bad for a gbit connection with those two drives in raid0... :) |
| 22:28.24 | tuv | tarzeau: sure, but directs developers/packagers to the problems |
| 22:28.31 | ChrisW_ | so, if I can't get rkhunter, what should I do? |
| 22:28.37 | LightVision | eeyore-: let me go and try it now |
| 22:28.46 | tuv | tarzeau: finding the problem is part of the maintenance process |
| 22:28.55 | suspro | iam bored |
| 22:28.57 | suspro | bye alll |
| 22:29.02 | ircops_home | k bye |
| 22:29.08 | tarzeau | tuv: true, but there's no deadline for it |
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| 22:29.53 | vagabund | yee destiny try it |
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| 22:29.53 | dondelelcaro | tuv: what are you complaining about; that some package hasn't yet been uploaded to unstable? That's a common issue in stable. New packages take some time to be reviewed in the NEW queue, they sometimes also take a bit of time to be uploaded. |
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| 22:29.53 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: no he thinks kde must be installable in testing+ |
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| 22:30.06 | vladuz976 | can anyone help with this error? "undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion" |
| 22:30.09 | tarzeau | i would suggest him a reading of the sid faq |
| 22:30.13 | dondelelcaro | heh; not hardly... packages get removed from testing all the time |
| 22:30.17 | vick | tarzeau, Can i install apt-get on mingw32 ? |
| 22:30.21 | kokkoo | eeyore- : tnx for your input, i think the reboot solved the problem somewhat. appreciate it mate! gotta go to work in 7 hrs so nn:) |
| 22:30.29 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i was trying to explain to him, but he wants to know better |
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| 22:30.39 | ircops_home | tuv: #debian-kde |
| 22:30.42 | tarzeau | vick: how would i know? |
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| 22:30.53 | tarzeau | ircops_home: the answer will remain the same |
| 22:30.57 | ircops_home | :) |
| 22:30.58 | ircops_home | heh |
| 22:30.59 | ircops_home | true |
| 22:31.01 | vick | tarzeau, oh |
| 22:31.07 | vick | tarzeau, sorry then |
| 22:31.13 | Hannibal | mfrisch: it fails to get a DHCPOFFER response, but it sends to 255.255.255.255 - is that correct? |
| 22:31.13 | ircops_home | tarzeau: but at least the question won't remain |
| 22:31.22 | tarzeau | ircops_home: heh |
| 22:31.25 | ircops_home | :D |
| 22:31.38 | ircops_home | Hannibal: that's a broadcast |
| 22:31.38 | tarzeau | ircops_home: why did i read that as a "go away"? |
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| 22:31.45 | ChrisW_ | Guerin: you here? |
| 22:31.58 | Guerin | ChrisW_: sort of |
| 22:32.04 | Hannibal | ircops_home: okay, but then why does it fail? :s |
| 22:32.16 | Hannibal | my windows pc is perfectly able to use dhcp (as proved by me being here) |
| 22:32.26 | ChrisW_ | Guerin: so, rkhunter isn't aroun dfor sarge |
| 22:32.27 | tarzeau | drac: any success? |
| 22:32.41 | Guerin | Hannibal: because there are no dhcp servers willing to give you an offer? |
| 22:32.44 | ChrisW_ | any ideas what I should od to checkout what I'm hoping is a chkrootkit false positive that I menionted earlier... |
| 22:32.49 | Guerin | ChrisW_: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:32.52 | abrotman | Guerin: i have the same problem at the bar |
| 22:32.54 | drac | tarzeau: I'm having some other problems with that program, Music Load Error: Error loading file /usr/share/pathogen/music.s3m |
| 22:33.02 | ircops_home | Hannibal: what type of inet service do you have? |
| 22:33.04 | Hannibal | Guerin: this pc and the linux box are connected in the same way |
| 22:33.06 | drac | tarzeau: Error: Unrecognized music format |
| 22:33.11 | Hannibal | ircops_home: a weird one :P |
| 22:33.12 | Guerin | ChrisW_: did you read the BTS? Do any of the known false-positives appply? |
| 22:33.12 | drac | tarzeau: So I can't really test THAT bug :P |
| 22:33.17 | markd___ | hi guys I'm having a problem with phppgadmin in sarge. when I connect to it I recieve "You need to recompile PHP using the --with-pgsql configure option.". I'm using apache-ssl if that makes a difference? |
| 22:33.24 | mlewis00 | valdyn: p7zip - 'not a supported archive' ... apparently spanning is not supported in p7zip either ... it was worth a try, though ... thanks again :-) |
| 22:33.24 | tarzeau | drac: very interesting. i just tried and had no such message |
| 22:33.27 | Hannibal | ircops_home: basically, my ISP has a direct ethernet link to everyone |
| 22:33.31 | ChrisW_ | is it on backports.org? |
| 22:33.34 | tarzeau | drac: what says file /usr/share/pathogen/music.s3m |
| 22:33.37 | Guerin | Hannibal: I don't know anything about your situation - I just know what the lack of a dhcpoffer means |
| 22:33.43 | eeyore- | abrotman: you can't get any dhcp server to make you an offer at the bar? |
| 22:33.44 | Hannibal | I have a small socket in my wall where I can just plug a UTP cable in. |
| 22:33.50 | eeyore- | abrotman: what kind of bars do you go to? |
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| 22:33.57 | abrotman | eeyore-: ones with wifi? :) |
| 22:33.58 | ircops_home | Hannibal: you're right. weird. |
| 22:34.02 | Hannibal | the other end goes into my comp, and it 'just works' on windows, and I'm trying to reach the same each of use on Debian ;) |
| 22:34.08 | drac | tarzeau: ScreamTracker III Module sound data |
| 22:34.11 | mik3 | how do i regenerate the xfree86 config so it allows 1024x768 resolution? |
| 22:34.18 | Hannibal | ircops_home: I'm in a big student complex ;) |
| 22:34.21 | tarzeau | drac: same here .. i wonder what you broke ;) |
| 22:34.23 | Guerin | markd___: aptitude search php4 postgresql |
| 22:34.31 | Hannibal | there is no NAT though... (still more weird) |
| 22:34.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: there's actually a large college bar down the road with wifi .. which i still think is odd |
| 22:34.35 | Guerin | !drxx mik3 |
| 22:34.38 | dpkg | mik3: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:34.39 | ircops_home | Hannibal: do you have the right subnet setup? |
| 22:34.41 | Guerin | abrotman: hah |
| 22:34.41 | markd___ | guerin: postgres and php4 are installed |
| 22:34.42 | Fleck | can some1 help me with Software RAID? |
| 22:34.45 | nico8481 | Edward_TLS, yup that's what i planned to do :p just a pitty that airport doesn't seem to work under linux :( |
| 22:34.49 | drac | dunno, I can play mod's and other similar formats though |
| 22:34.52 | Guerin | markd___: just do what I told you |
| 22:34.53 | bcc | will the box stop working if i install debina in chroot on a tmpfs with swap turned off, then chroot into that install and then erase everything from the device that has the / ? |
| 22:34.53 | Hannibal | ircops_home: I'd tell you if I knew what it meant, sorry :$ |
| 22:35.03 | mik3 | do you all recommend xorg or xfree86 for a slower machine with semi-lame componants? |
| 22:35.14 | Guerin | bcc: not necessarily. |
| 22:35.14 | abrotman | Hannibal: you're connected directly to .. a modem/switch/router/satellite? |
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| 22:35.23 | ircops_home | Hannibal: well you are going through some sort of gateway... |
| 22:35.24 | Hannibal | abrotman: Bob knows. |
| 22:35.25 | tarzeau | mik3: can you tell what you mean with slower machine with semi-lame components? |
| 22:35.27 | sal | How can I change my system time to New York? |
| 22:35.31 | Hannibal | yeah |
| 22:35.32 | abrotman | Hannibal: bob? |
| 22:35.33 | dondelelcaro | mik3: it really doesn't make much of a difference at this point; if it's supper slow you may want xfree86 v3 |
| 22:35.35 | DoppelGanger | ha ha |
| 22:35.42 | bcc | Guerin: i need it to work long enough so i can make a file system and transfer everything on it |
| 22:35.42 | beardy | drac: which program? |
| 22:35.43 | Hannibal | abrotman: for those who don't like me using 'God' ;) |
| 22:35.45 | streuner | sal: tzconfig |
| 22:35.52 | Hannibal | in other words: I have no idea |
| 22:35.54 | Guerin | bcc: not touching this one, sorry. |
| 22:35.55 | abrotman | Hannibal: somehow .. i doubt god cares :) |
| 22:35.57 | slack7384 | sal: should be dpkg-reconfigure <associated package> |
| 22:36.00 | bcc | Guerin: hehe |
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| 22:36.04 | drac | beardy: pathogen |
| 22:36.04 | markd___ | guerin: and? |
| 22:36.09 | Hannibal | abrotman: same here, but some humans do. I prefer not to offend people :) |
| 22:36.13 | abrotman | Hannibal: when you're in windows .. what IP do you get ? |
| 22:36.16 | slack7384 | sal: or just configure in KDE/Gnome |
| 22:36.23 | Guerin | markd___: and ... what do you see? |
| 22:36.27 | ChrisW_ | *sigh* |
| 22:36.29 | abrotman | Hannibal: ipconfig /all |
| 22:36.31 | Hannibal | abrotman: a public one |
| 22:36.33 | Hannibal | I know |
| 22:36.35 | ChrisW_ | too tired, I'll try again in the morning |
| 22:36.36 | abrotman | in a command window :) |
| 22:36.38 | eeyore- | Hannibal: how about Melissa? |
| 22:36.39 | mik3 | well i am comingfrom ubuntu which installs xorg by default, and it was doing fine, i don't really have a legit reason for why i switched to debian, but i chose to install the desktop environment during installation instead of doing it myself and it installed xfree86, i didn't know if it really mattered. this is a pII 450mhz with 192mb of ram |
| 22:36.40 | ChrisW_ | just hope i haven't been rooted :-S |
| 22:36.42 | sal | streuner, It says my current time is set to US/Eastern...but the clock is an hour fast |
| 22:36.45 | eeyore- | Hannibal: would Melissa know? |
| 22:36.47 | Hannibal | 82.139.76.* |
| 22:36.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: my sweet melissa? |
| 22:36.58 | Hannibal | eeyore: don't ask me :) |
| 22:36.58 | ChrisW_ | .whois sal |
| 22:37.00 | lasala | all of the sudden my xwindows won't work anymore... i type in the credentials and the screen gets refreshed instead bringing me to the desktop. i checked the .xsession-errors and there is a bunch of crap in it "_cdim: --- not moved 0x006ad870 'Virtual Machine Settings' |
| 22:37.01 | mik3 | so just stick with xfree86? |
| 22:37.07 | tarzeau | !xwindows |
| 22:37.07 | dpkg | xwindows is, like, NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 22:37.11 | abrotman | Hannibal: but you have no idea where oyu get the IP from ? |
| 22:37.23 | Hannibal | abrotman: I do, windows uses dhcp |
| 22:37.24 | beardy | drac: what does it use to play sound then? |
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| 22:37.26 | markd___ | guerin: "ip php4-pgsql" |
| 22:37.28 | Hannibal | windows lists the gateway as... |
| 22:37.30 | abrotman | Hannibal: and linux ... no workie ? |
| 22:37.33 | lasala | what is going on ? and whats the solution ? |
| 22:37.35 | jjazz | mik3: What version of debian did you install that you got xfree86? |
| 22:37.38 | Hannibal | 82.139.76.1 |
| 22:37.44 | *** part/#debian ChrisW_ (n=NotChris@213.185.170.58) |
| 22:37.49 | Hannibal | abrotman: exactly. |
| 22:37.52 | beardy | drac: play music, I mean |
| 22:37.57 | Guerin | markd___: so the php4-pgsql module is installed. is it hooked into your apache2 config? does it show in phpinfo? |
| 22:37.59 | abrotman | Hannibal: what happens? .. dhclient just times out ? |
| 22:38.01 | tarzeau | beardy: sdl i think |
| 22:38.03 | abrotman | Hannibal: is it a laptop ? |
| 22:38.07 | drac | beardy: libsdl |
| 22:38.12 | Hannibal | abrotman: it repeats at different intervals, and in the end gives up |
| 22:38.15 | lasala | my box has been working fine for 3 months and now it is comparable to windows me |
| 22:38.19 | Guerin | markd___: oh, wait, was that ip from dpkg -l ? |
| 22:38.21 | mik3 | jjazz: i just grabbed the netinst from debian.org |
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| 22:38.23 | Hannibal | abrotman: no, brand new desktop |
| 22:38.29 | streuner | sal: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 22:38.35 | eeyore- | Hannibal: Netherlands? |
| 22:38.35 | ircops_home | Hannibal: when you go to tcp/ip settings, what is the subnet setting? |
| 22:38.36 | mik3 | Linux splinter 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:38.36 | abrotman | Hannibal: if you boot all the way up .. does the machine see your network card? |
| 22:38.37 | tarzeau | drac: probably an apt-get source -b pathogen would make one that'd work on your machine |
| 22:38.45 | sal | streuner, When i did "ntpdate" it fixed it |
| 22:38.46 | sal | Thanks |
| 22:38.49 | abrotman | Hannibal: as in .. ifconfig -a .. shows your card right ? |
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| 22:38.54 | Hannibal | abrotman: define 'see' - I'm a linux newb |
| 22:38.55 | beardy | drac: And you got an error when it was trying to play an .s3m? |
| 22:38.56 | abrotman | or dmesg |grep -i eth ? |
| 22:38.56 | Hannibal | ah |
| 22:38.59 | Hannibal | eeyore-: yes. |
| 22:39.01 | mik3 | so it must be relatively older if it's installing the 2.4* kernel? |
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| 22:39.09 | Hannibal | ircops_home: tcp/ip settings where? |
| 22:39.11 | Hannibal | sorry :( |
| 22:39.12 | tarzeau | mik3: nah 2.4 isn't old. |
| 22:39.23 | tarzeau | mik3: i've got 2.4.31 which is no older than 3 months |
| 22:39.35 | abrotman | `ifconfig -a` and `dmesg | grep -i eth` show anything ? |
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| 22:39.38 | mik3 | ok |
| 22:39.42 | vagabund | LightVision: do you solve your problems? |
| 22:39.44 | ircops_home | Hannibal: go to network connections under start, settings... then right click on your connection and click properties... |
| 22:39.44 | mik3 | so stick with xfree86? |
| 22:39.48 | green_earz | lasala: is the install sarge or etch or sid ? |
| 22:39.55 | Guerin | mik3: if it works, don't fuck with it. |
| 22:39.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: what's his problem/question? |
| 22:39.57 | jjazz | mik3: Is xfree86 running fine for you? |
| 22:39.58 | lasala | sarge |
| 22:40.03 | Hannibal | ircops_home: oh, you mean windows! |
| 22:40.04 | lasala | Green_earz: sarge |
| 22:40.04 | abrotman | eeyore-: dhcp sucks |
| 22:40.04 | eeyore- | abrotman: shouldn't he be happy that he's got an IP? :-) |
| 22:40.14 | abrotman | eeyore-: apparently he's not .. he's in windows right now |
| 22:40.15 | jjazz | mik3: Unless it's failing to do something you want to do, I don't see much reason to change. |
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| 22:40.21 | ircops_home | Hannibal: lol yes |
| 22:40.25 | eeyore- | Hannibal: what's your problem? |
| 22:40.34 | ircops_home | !tell me about lol |
| 22:40.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: he can't get an IP via DHCP in linux even though it works in Win32 |
| 22:40.45 | lasala | we had a power outage ones and now everything is screwed up |
| 22:40.46 | abrotman | it's a desktop |
| 22:40.49 | ircops_home | gtg... be back tomorrow... |
| 22:40.50 | mik3 | well i'm kind of noob and unable to configure video card settings etc |
| 22:40.57 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 22:40.57 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 22:41.02 | tarzeau | !drx |
| 22:41.02 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:41.03 | eeyore- | abrotman: who gives out the IP when he's in windows? his router? his ISP? |
| 22:41.04 | mik3 | if i wanted to switch to xorg would i just apt-get remove xfree86 and apt-get install xorg? |
| 22:41.06 | green_earz | lasala: its stoping at gdm login ? |
| 22:41.13 | Hannibal | eeyore: ISP |
| 22:41.14 | abrotman | eeyore-: he gets a public IP |
| 22:41.22 | eeyore- | Hannibal: what's your "hostname" in windows? |
| 22:41.23 | Guerin | mik3: if you have to ask, don't. |
| 22:41.27 | tarzeau | mik3: if you are a noob, use stable |
| 22:41.28 | abrotman | eeyore-: but he says he plugs into the magic hole and gets an IP |
| 22:41.33 | lasala | green_earz: the login screen shows up fine |
| 22:41.36 | markd___ | guerin: no. it was from aptitude. from phpinfo I see that "--without-pgsql" is how php was compiled but I do not see how to check if the shared module is installed |
| 22:41.38 | mik3 | this is stable |
| 22:41.41 | Hannibal | eeyore: err, whois me? |
| 22:41.49 | abrotman | markd___: php4-pgsql |
| 22:41.50 | eeyore- | abrotman: ISP might want a hostname to be sent in order to get the IP |
| 22:41.50 | tarzeau | mik3: stable only has xfree86 |
| 22:41.52 | lasala | green_earz: but as soon as i try to login it is acting up |
| 22:41.54 | mik3 | oh |
| 22:41.55 | Guerin | mik3: dpkg -l php4-pgsql; |
| 22:41.55 | LightVision | eeyore-: which of those commands you gave me actually writes grub to hda boot sector? |
| 22:42.02 | Guerin | mik3: just give me the output line of that |
| 22:42.05 | eeyore- | LightVision: "setup (hd0)" |
| 22:42.05 | Hannibal | abrotman: there's a lot of stuff there |
| 22:42.11 | abrotman | Hannibal: what is ? |
| 22:42.14 | LightVision | eeyore-: cool, good to know |
| 22:42.17 | Guerin | markd___: dpkg -l php4-pgsql; |
| 22:42.20 | eeyore- | LightVision: did it work? |
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| 22:42.25 | mik3 | No packages found matching php4-pgsql. |
| 22:42.25 | mik3 | mike@splinter:~$ |
| 22:42.27 | LightVision | vagabund: yeah thanks for asking |
| 22:42.28 | lasala | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 22:42.28 | lasala | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.30 | Hannibal | abrotman: ifconfig /a |
| 22:42.31 | Guerin | mik3: sorry. |
| 22:42.32 | mik3 | how is php relevant |
| 22:42.34 | mik3 | oh |
| 22:42.35 | mik3 | =D |
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| 22:42.39 | abrotman | Hannibal: -a not /a |
| 22:42.39 | Hannibal | * -a |
| 22:42.41 | LightVision | eeyore-: would you be surprised if it didnt work? |
| 22:42.45 | Hannibal | yes, sorry. But even so |
| 22:42.47 | abrotman | Hannibal: are any of then eth0 ? |
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| 22:42.49 | abrotman | err them |
| 22:42.49 | eeyore- | LightVision: yes |
| 22:42.50 | Hannibal | eth0, eth1, buggy eth2 |
| 22:43.05 | Hannibal | abrotman: this desktop is brand new - it has dual gigabit lan on the motherboard (ASUS) |
| 22:43.05 | eeyore- | LightVision: so, did it work? :) |
| 22:43.14 | LightVision | eeyore-: well thank you very much, you have been great, very helpful and patient. :) it works great :) |
| 22:43.15 | Hannibal | it took me a /lot/ of time to get the network card to be recognised at all. |
| 22:43.19 | abrotman | no IPs for any of them? |
| 22:43.28 | eeyore- | Hannibal: does your ISP require you to send a specific hostname before you get an IP? |
| 22:43.28 | Hannibal | (has some exotic Marvell chip) |
| 22:43.33 | abrotman | dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 22:43.36 | eeyore- | LightVision: i'm one already |
| 22:43.40 | green_earz | lasala: try reinstall gdm or xdm or kdm depending on what on the box |
| 22:43.43 | LightVision | eeyore-: ty for your time |
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| 22:43.49 | vagabund | !seen destiny |
| 22:43.50 | dpkg | destiny <n=lisa@229.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 32d 16h 34m 43s ago, saying: 'JimButton: you are as cute as a button, aren't you? :)'. |
| 22:43.51 | lasala | yeah i will do that now |
| 22:43.53 | LightVision | eeyore-: you are an op already? hmm I didnt know that :) |
| 22:43.53 | Guerin | LightVision: um, he IS ops |
| 22:43.53 | eeyore- | LightVision: but i'll take cookies |
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| 22:44.02 | LightVision | eeyore-: hehe ok ;) |
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| 22:44.21 | eeyore- | LightVision: yeah, i may cheer Gentoo once in a while, but most folks tolerate me |
| 22:44.21 | green_earz | lasala: apt-get install --reinstall gdm |
| 22:44.22 | markd___ | guerin: "pi php4-pgsql 4.3.10-4 PostgreSQL module for php4" |
| 22:44.25 | eeyore- | Go Gentoo!!! yeah! |
| 22:44.27 | Hannibal | abrotman: chipnames show up (Yukon Gigabit Ethernet etc. etc.) |
| 22:44.28 | abrotman | vagabund: talk to LightVision |
| 22:44.33 | LightVision | eeyore-: I shall never forget your patience and help today, thanks again |
| 22:44.35 | Hannibal | abrotman: no IPv6 routers present :| |
| 22:44.35 | abrotman | vagabund: i think they are the same |
| 22:44.36 | Guerin | markd___: ok, so it;s not installed. |
| 22:44.41 | LightVision | eeyore-: :) |
| 22:44.46 | Hannibal | abrotman: I'm pretty sure it should be using IPv4 |
| 22:44.53 | Hannibal | why it doesn't, no idea. |
| 22:44.54 | abrotman | Hannibal: phone .. brb |
| 22:44.58 | Hannibal | sure :) |
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| 22:45.20 | ma3x | what is LPI ID ? |
| 22:45.31 | mik3 | is vesa a good video module? |
| 22:45.55 | eeyore- | mik3: if you can use it, sure. but it's slow on some chips |
| 22:45.56 | markd___ | guerin: but "apt-get install php4-pgsql" reports thats it is |
| 22:45.57 | vagabund | LightVision: why do you change your nick? destiny was mutch hopefull |
| 22:46.07 | eeyore- | mik3: besides, some chips just don't have vbe2 support, so vesafb is out |
| 22:46.07 | Guerin | markd___: aptitude install php4-pgsql; if it fails, aptitude -f intall;A |
| 22:46.08 | drac | vesa is horrible |
| 22:46.16 | LightVision | vagabund: how long have you been using irc? |
| 22:46.17 | mik3 | drac: what do you suggest? |
| 22:46.17 | beardy | mik3: It usually works for the most cards. In that sense it's good. |
| 22:46.27 | Hannibal | eeyore-: how would I verify if my isp asks for a hostname? |
| 22:46.28 | Guerin | markd___: ok, aptitude -f install; no packages. |
| 22:46.36 | LightVision | vesa works for me :) |
| 22:46.38 | Hannibal | eeyore-: basically, on windows it's as simple as pluggin in the cable |
| 22:46.39 | drac | mik3: card? |
| 22:46.42 | Hannibal | that's it. |
| 22:46.56 | whatever | eeyore: hey dude. you're still here? |
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| 22:47.24 | eeyore- | Hannibal: my computer, properties, Computer Name tab |
| 22:47.26 | vagabund | LightVision: for more than 7 jears - why? |
| 22:47.27 | eeyore- | whatever: no |
| 22:47.35 | whatever | eeyore: lol |
| 22:47.41 | eeyore- | Hannibal: but let's say they don't actually require that ... |
| 22:47.42 | Hannibal | eeyore: that o.O |
| 22:47.48 | Hannibal | oh. |
| 22:47.53 | LightVision | vagabund: in that 7 years, have you always used the nick you are using now? never changed it from day 1, 7 years ago? |
| 22:47.54 | drac | tarzeau: nope, that didn't help.. building from sources that is. |
| 22:47.56 | Hannibal | it's set to gijsw2000, I think |
| 22:48.01 | mik3 | drac: uhm, hold on, i need to find that information |
| 22:48.08 | tarzeau | drac: strange, i've got no other idea |
| 22:48.08 | drac | mik3: lspci |
| 22:48.20 | Hannibal | yup, still that |
| 22:48.21 | tarzeau | drac: how do you like nethack? |
| 22:48.30 | drac | tarzeau: i don't :P |
| 22:48.34 | markd___ | guerin: still doesn't install packages |
| 22:48.43 | eeyore- | Hannibal: it's probably not that. ok, since i dont know about your hardware ... how many interfaces do you have? |
| 22:48.45 | whatever | lightvision: I heard change is bad.... these little gremlins come and steal your soul every time you do it. |
| 22:48.45 | Hannibal | I guess I should mention that... I'm running windows 2000 - and I see nothing concerning subnets in the properties of my connections. |
| 22:48.54 | mik3 | drac : Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 AGP |
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| 22:49.02 | whatever | lightvision: er, gnome. haha |
| 22:49.03 | mik3 | relatively old |
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| 22:49.08 | LightVision | whatever: humans dont have a soul. we are souls |
| 22:49.09 | eeyore- | Hannibal: start menu -> run -> "cmd", type in "ipconfig /all" |
| 22:49.11 | drac | mik3: For X, driver "mga" |
| 22:49.20 | eeyore- | whatever: did you have a question? |
| 22:49.23 | whatever | lightvision: ok, get technical. :P |
| 22:49.28 | Hannibal | eeyore: interfaces on windows? |
| 22:49.31 | LightVision | whatever: humans only have a spirit, not a soul, so im not scared :) |
| 22:49.33 | whatever | eeyore: nah, not at all. just saying 'hey' |
| 22:49.34 | Hannibal | eeyore: let's get this straight |
| 22:49.39 | Hannibal | eeyore-: I have two pc's. |
| 22:49.41 | Hannibal | one is very old |
| 22:49.45 | Hannibal | and runs windows 2000 |
| 22:49.47 | vagabund | LightVersion: i often change my nick - hihi - |
| 22:49.47 | Hannibal | (this one) |
| 22:49.50 | LightVision | vagabund LightVision: why do you change your nick? <--- you answered your own question :) |
| 22:49.51 | eeyore- | Hannibal: how many network interfaces do you have in the troublesome computer? |
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| 22:49.54 | Hannibal | the other is brand new, and I isntalled debian on that |
| 22:49.57 | Hannibal | eeyore: 2 gigabit lans, a wifi interface and linux itself claims I have something called IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet |
| 22:49.59 | mik3 | drac ok thank you very much |
| 22:50.02 | markd___ | guerin: just ran dpkg-reconfigure php4pg... (fixed now. thanks) |
| 22:50.04 | vagabund | hihi |
| 22:50.09 | Guerin | markd___: nice. |
| 22:50.15 | beardy | very old, and runs windows 2000? how old is "very old" then? |
| 22:50.23 | Hannibal | eeyore: all supplied on my ASUS P5AD2-E motherboard |
| 22:50.29 | Hannibal | beardy: about 5 years I think |
| 22:50.34 | Hannibal | pentium 2, 350Mhz |
| 22:50.36 | mik3 | drac: how do i figure out the video cards bus ID'er? |
| 22:50.37 | eeyore- | Hannibal: s'okay, that's if you're crazy enough to do tcp/ip over firewire cable |
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| 22:50.54 | drac | mik3: Leave it empty, if that's only gfx card in your machine. VideoRAM empty as well. |
| 22:51.00 | mik3 | ok |
| 22:51.04 | Hannibal | eeyore-: I suspected as much. Don't think I will be :) |
| 22:51.06 | Hannibal | not yet ;) |
| 22:51.16 | whatever | beardy: ...that reminds me, I was able to get XP to run on this 200mhz machine /w 64 megs of ram. it still runs in my closet actually. lol |
| 22:51.19 | eeyore- | Hannibal: maybe you just have the cable plugged into (say) eth1 and dhcp is looking for offers on eth0 ... could be something really simple like that :) |
| 22:51.20 | beardy | Hannibal: That's not very "very old", to me, but ok. |
| 22:51.32 | Hannibal | eeyore-: I tried that, didn't help :) |
| 22:51.43 | beardy | whatever: No. |
| 22:51.47 | eeyore- | Hannibal: here's what you do ... leave everything the same way it is now, boot into linux, log in as root, run "mii-tool" command. show me output |
| 22:51.49 | Hannibal | eeyore-: you see, I was smart (or dumb) enough to put both eth0 and eth1 in the interfaces file |
| 22:51.50 | beardy | whatever: You didn't. |
| 22:51.59 | Hannibal | fun. |
| 22:52.00 | whatever | beardy: ?? |
| 22:52.16 | mik3 | how do i figure out where my mouse device is? like /dev/psaux |
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| 22:52.31 | Hannibal | eeyore-: this is probably bad |
| 22:52.39 | drac | mik3: is it usb or ps/2 mouse? |
| 22:52.43 | beardy | whatever: You did not get windows XP to run on 64 MB of RAM. |
| 22:52.43 | asuffield | mik3: now, follow carefully, because this is complicated: you remember what you plugged it into |
| 22:52.43 | mik3 | ps/2 |
| 22:52.48 | drac | mik3: /dev/psaux is fine then |
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| 22:52.50 | Hannibal | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Bad address |
| 22:52.54 | Hannibal | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Bad address |
| 22:52.55 | eeyore- | beardy: why not? |
| 22:52.56 | LightVision | eeyore-: how come you are so very helpful? :) most people wont go as far as you do in helping others. |
| 22:52.57 | ksdj | I can't get sound to work anymore...and it was working before I rebooted |
| 22:52.59 | mik3 | asuffield : your petulant attitude isn't necessary, on ignore. |
| 22:53.05 | Hannibal | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth2' failed: Operation not supported |
| 22:53.07 | mik3 | drac: thanks |
| 22:53.09 | eeyore- | LightVision: i'm bored. i have some bad days |
| 22:53.11 | Hannibal | no MII interfaces found |
| 22:53.18 | LightVision | eeyore-: hehe :) |
| 22:53.20 | ksdj | What program can I use to see what is tying up the soundcard or test the soundcard with a sound? |
| 22:53.37 | eeyore- | Hannibal: hmmmmmm ... hmmmmmmm |
| 22:53.41 | tarzeau | ksdj: fuser |
| 22:53.44 | eeyore- | Hannibal: what kernel is this? |
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| 22:53.48 | asuffield | eeyore-: he's not got a card using an MII chip |
| 22:53.49 | Hannibal | 2.6.8-2 |
| 22:53.51 | whatever | beardy: yeah bro, I did. |
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| 22:53.53 | beardy | whatever: Why would you want to run that on a box like that, run something nicer and do something useful with the box instead. |
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| 22:53.57 | LightVision | eeyore-: i guess its true what they say, our moods dictate our behaviour. |
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| 22:54.03 | LightVision | eeyore-: :) |
| 22:54.04 | eeyore- | asuffield: i thought it would say something else, not "bad address"? |
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| 22:54.05 | Hannibal | stock debian install, but with a driver module for aforementioned exotic network card |
| 22:54.10 | macnetic | hi |
| 22:54.10 | atom-z | anyone know a good unix shell provider (that would let me ssh in and IRC)? |
| 22:54.10 | beardy | whatever: Ok, sorry then, thought it required 128 to boot. |
| 22:54.22 | asuffield | eeyore-: I'm betting on eth2. anyway, ethtool is the one you need for non-MII chips |
| 22:54.27 | tarzeau | atom-z: for free? |
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| 22:54.38 | atom-z | tarzeau, not necessarily |
| 22:54.44 | eeyore- | Hannibal: ok, ethtool it is, then. i just wanna know which interface has the link |
| 22:54.49 | atom-z | tarzeau, I dont mind paying if its worth it |
| 22:54.53 | mik3 | drac: I vaguely remember GLcor being removed from my xorg configuration, is there any reason why i SHOULD keep it loaded by default now that i'm using xfree86? |
| 22:54.58 | whatever | beardy: because for a DC client I like the windows one DC++, and I can't find anywhere near a nice multi-hub version for linux actually, so its only function is a dedicated downloading box. -=shrug=- |
| 22:55.00 | ksdj | tarzeau, What command do I type with fuser? |
| 22:55.02 | Hannibal | eeyore-: not installed. Grumble. |
| 22:55.16 | tarzeau | ksdj: to do what? kill whatever makes it busy? fuser -k /dev/dsp works for me |
| 22:55.29 | macnetic | I'm doing a rather late distupgrade, and I'd just like to check my "battle plan" with you guys before I start. I have RTFMed, I just want to make sure I haven't got anything very wrong... |
| 22:55.37 | drac | mik3: just keep extmod, dri, glx, type1, freetype, and dbe and remove everything else. |
| 22:55.40 | eeyore- | Hannibal: how did you tell dhcp to listen for offers on eth0 and eth1? |
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| 22:55.46 | ksdj | That doesn't work tarzeau |
| 22:55.50 | ksdj | I guess I'll just reboot |
| 22:55.52 | tarzeau | atom-z: i've got one at www.metawire.org |
| 22:56.07 | tarzeau | ksdj: yes it works. for me |
| 22:56.08 | macnetic | I've been using stable in sources.list, so I already have some sarge packages |
| 22:56.16 | tarzeau | ksdj: are you user or root? |
| 22:56.19 | macnetic | from what I understand, the way to go about it is: |
| 22:56.23 | ksdj | yes I am root |
| 22:56.23 | Hannibal | eeyore-: had 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:56.30 | Hannibal | (and same for eth1, obviously) |
| 22:56.32 | ksdj | I did "alsaconf" and that closed a couple programs |
| 22:56.33 | whatever | beardy: but yeah, um, it does seem kind of a waste. heh. ...if it makes a difference its XP professional? dunno, I know how XP Home actually limits your files to sizes a little smaller than 4.4 gigs, maybe home has some other restrictions for memory that pro dosen't have |
| 22:56.35 | ksdj | I think the sound will work now. |
| 22:56.39 | tarzeau | ksdj: and the system tells you "that doesn't work." right? |
| 22:56.45 | ksdj | yea |
| 22:56.46 | macnetic | 1. change to woody in sources.list, install woody aptitude |
| 22:56.50 | Hannibal | I have dhcp-client3 installed. |
| 22:57.03 | Hannibal | err |
| 22:57.06 | Hannibal | dhcp3-client |
| 22:57.08 | Hannibal | doh. |
| 22:57.09 | macnetic | 2. change back to stable/sarge, update to sarge aptitude |
| 22:57.19 | macnetic | 3. umount /home :) |
| 22:57.21 | Hannibal | hum. |
| 22:57.26 | macnetic | 4. proceed with install |
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| 22:57.38 | macnetic | any comments? |
| 22:57.40 | ksdj | tarzeau, All programs say sound doesn't work. |
| 22:57.43 | ksdj | But nothing is using sound. |
| 22:57.46 | eeyore- | Hannibal: what are the config files for dhcp-client3? |
| 22:57.50 | mik3 | drac: ok done, before i restart xfree86 should i install the ssh server so i can reconfigure the xfree86 config, and if so what's that apt-get install definitive for installing it? also is it control alt backspace just like on xorg? |
| 22:57.52 | ksdj | I did "fuser -k /dev/dsp" |
| 22:57.55 | ksdj | And that didn't help tarzeau |
| 22:57.56 | tarzeau | ksdj: do you have arts or some crap like it? |
| 22:58.04 | Hannibal | eeyore-: sorry, how do I get those? :( |
| 22:58.04 | ksdj | alsa |
| 22:58.05 | tarzeau | ksdj: alsa or not? linux? kernel version? |
| 22:58.06 | asuffield | wait, he's getting DHCP from the ISP directly? does he even *have* two IP addresses allocated? |
| 22:58.09 | atom-z | tarzeau, i'll check it out |
| 22:58.10 | ksdj | There are no daemons running |
| 22:58.10 | vick | where can i get apt-get source code ? |
| 22:58.19 | Hannibal | asuffield: yes directly, no, one IP address |
| 22:58.28 | drac | mik3: apt-cache search ssh , and yes it's same key combination |
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| 22:58.31 | asuffield | Hannibal: well then it's not going to work while that windows box is using it |
| 22:58.31 | jdhutchin1 | vick, the apt-get source package |
| 22:58.31 | eeyore- | Hannibal: dpkg --listfiles dhcp-client3 |
| 22:58.32 | Hannibal | asuffield: if I want to try stuff, I'll have to disconnect from you guys :) |
| 22:58.33 | whatever | hannibal: then why are you expecting to get two?? |
| 22:58.40 | tarzeau | ksdj: i find it hilarious how people manage to have so much problems with such an easy thing |
| 22:58.42 | riddlebox | where would I find httpd.conf and php.conf? |
| 22:58.45 | eeyore- | asuffield: are you doing this while the windows box is running? :) |
| 22:58.46 | mik3 | ok thanks drac => i greatly appreciate your help and patience with me |
| 22:58.53 | eeyore- | asuffield: uh well, mm, the other guy |
| 22:58.56 | asuffield | Hannibal: and there's a good chance it won't work afterwards either. ISPs like to lock these things to specific MAC addresses |
| 22:58.57 | ksdj | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:58.59 | ksdj | That is my kernel. |
| 22:59.01 | vick | jdhutchin1, i want to install it on mingw32, is that possible ? |
| 22:59.01 | nico8481 | tarzeau, what thing? |
| 22:59.04 | ksdj | The sound just stopped working. |
| 22:59.06 | ksdj | I don't know why. |
| 22:59.12 | tarzeau | nico8481: /lastlog ksdj |
| 22:59.19 | vagabund | what is a lightVersion - try to undress it |
| 22:59.24 | tarzeau | "I have done nothing. It doesn't work anymore." |
| 22:59.26 | ksdj | nico8481, I can't get my sound to work. |
| 22:59.29 | ksdj | It was working before. |
| 22:59.34 | jdhutchin1 | vick, well, I don't know anything about a mingw32, so I can't really help you there |
| 22:59.35 | Hannibal | eeyore- / asuffield / whatever: let's get this straight. I have one thing in my wall to plug a UTP cable in. I have 1 UTP cable. That currently links my windows box to the wall/you. |
| 22:59.38 | whatever | asuffield: a good work around for that is to simply cycle the power on the cable modem, at least thats always worked for me. |
| 22:59.40 | nico8481 | wow |
| 22:59.42 | atom-z | tarzeau, do they monitor internet access in any way? |
| 22:59.49 | Hannibal | if I want to attempt to have my linux box use the net, I plug the cable out |
| 22:59.50 | tarzeau | atom-z: "they"? |
| 22:59.52 | nico8481 | didn't know /lastlog... cool feature :) |
| 22:59.53 | Hannibal | and plug back in in the linux box |
| 23:00.02 | atom-z | tarzeau, metawire.org |
| 23:00.03 | Hannibal | (resulting in a ping timeout here) |
| 23:00.10 | tarzeau | atom-z: i have no idea |
| 23:00.18 | atom-z | tarzeau, ok, thanks |
| 23:00.25 | whatever | hannibal: goccha |
| 23:00.31 | asuffield | Hannibal: are we talking cable or DSL or what? |
| 23:00.31 | green_earz | macnetic: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes > Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 -- Release Notes |
| 23:00.31 | tarzeau | atom-z: it's not easy to get the account, i failed twice |
| 23:00.40 | vick | jdhutchin1, where can i download apt-get source code ? |
| 23:00.45 | tarzeau | atom-z: and i would have failed more i guess, but i knew one dude from there ;) |
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| 23:00.49 | Hannibal | asuffield: neither, something weird |
| 23:00.51 | macnetic | green_earz: yeah, I've just been through those |
| 23:00.58 | green_earz | ok |
| 23:01.02 | eeyore- | Hannibal: i suppose if you suspect mac-address, you could try changing the mac address to match that of windows |
| 23:01.05 | macnetic | green_earz: just wanna check that I'm not missing something big |
| 23:01.12 | macnetic | don't wanna fuck this up :) |
| 23:01.21 | Hannibal | asuffield: basically, everyone here (380 students) has their own ethernet link to a backbone |
| 23:01.23 | eeyore- | Hannibal: it's not permanent, will be reset at reboot |
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| 23:01.28 | whatever | hannibal: ppp? adsl? isdn? |
| 23:01.32 | eeyore- | Hannibal: oh THAT!!!!! |
| 23:01.33 | asuffield | Hannibal: oh, university. then it's almost certainly locked to the mac address |
| 23:01.42 | eeyore- | Hannibal: oh university, they ALMOST certain lock it to MAC |
| 23:01.44 | asuffield | they almost always do that |
| 23:01.48 | Stefano | Hello everybody.I have a question: I want to configure apt in order to use two repositories but in this way: if the package is in the first repository (even if in lower version), get the one on the first. Else get the one on the second. What's the correct preferences file? |
| 23:01.55 | whatever | hannibal: did you have to 'sign in' to use the network? |
| 23:01.56 | asuffield | that's probably why it's not working |
| 23:01.56 | Hannibal | asuffield: university is not my ISP, but you may still be right. |
| 23:02.01 | Hannibal | whatever: no. |
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| 23:02.16 | whatever | it should still work then |
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| 23:02.43 | asuffield | whatever: the switches will be configured to learn precisely one mac address and then stop |
| 23:02.44 | Hannibal | right. So I'll have to tell my linux box to take the same mac address as my windows one. How would I go about doing that? |
| 23:02.45 | eeyore- | Hannibal: OK, time to fake your mac address then |
| 23:02.46 | whatever | same for me, I'm not 'on campus' but the bloody campus network sucks ass, I'm mad at it |
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| 23:02.58 | Hannibal | whatever: hehe |
| 23:03.11 | Hannibal | can't really complain :) |
| 23:03.21 | whatever | asuffield: ....yeah, but thats stupid, because what if someone buys a new laptop or a tech needs to jack in? ...its plausable, but not logical for a university to do |
| 23:03.23 | Hannibal | (not for less than 15 euro a month, anyhow) |
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| 23:03.49 | asuffield | whatever: it's what they normally do. techs do not go near student outlets. people who buy new laptops call the helldesk |
| 23:03.52 | Hannibal | so, I suppose I set my mac-address in /etc/network/interfaces as well? |
| 23:04.14 | asuffield | Hannibal: yes. hwaddress ether |
| 23:04.25 | whatever | asuffield: I don't believe you can rule that conclusion out so easily. |
| 23:04.45 | whatever | hannibal: is it a static or dynamic IP thats assigned to you? |
| 23:04.52 | Hannibal | so, my windows computer lists its mac-address as 'physical' address, correct? |
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| 23:05.01 | Hannibal | whatever: never really checked, but I think it's statical |
| 23:05.06 | whatever | brb, phone |
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| 23:05.16 | asuffield | probably. six two-digit hex numbers, with either colons or hyphens between them |
| 23:05.25 | Hannibal | asuffield: got it. |
| 23:05.32 | asuffield | there's nothing else in ipconfig output that looks vaguely similar |
| 23:05.52 | Hannibal | so I put 'hwaddress ether FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF' in the interfaces file? |
| 23:06.06 | Hannibal | (can't be bothered copying exactly, but you get what I mean) |
| 23:06.11 | tarzeau | Hannibal: i hope it's not reall all FF's |
| 23:06.17 | Hannibal | ^ |
| 23:06.21 | tarzeau | Hannibal: and i'd do with : |
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| 23:07.39 | asuffield | all ff is the normal way to say 'invalid' |
| 23:07.49 | asuffield | that can't possibly be the real mac address of a device |
| 23:08.01 | ma3x | hey |
| 23:08.02 | Hannibal | asuffield: as said, I was too lazy to copy the address |
| 23:08.03 | ma3x | anyone here? |
| 23:08.09 | Hannibal | I copied the real address to the interfaces file |
| 23:08.16 | asg | ma3x: no, we're all in Bolivia smoking crack. |
| 23:08.20 | Hannibal | so now I replug the cable and use ifup -a, right? |
| 23:08.21 | ma3x | oh really |
| 23:08.24 | vagabund | !anyone |
| 23:08.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:08.29 | tarzeau | asg: i'd gladly take some |
| 23:08.30 | ma3x | are there some test examples for 117-151 - LPI Level 1 Exam 101 (with DPKG) ? |
| 23:08.35 | ma3x | I want to see how those tests look like |
| 23:08.41 | ma3x | are there examples somewhere online? |
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| 23:08.51 | asg | ma3x: O'Reilly has a book |
| 23:09.04 | asg | tarzeau: customs would probably have a shit |
| 23:09.09 | eeyore- | whatever: it's possibly coming down to whether you set your switch to lock to specific mac addresses. lots of managed switches have that option. if the option is there, it's likely to be used :) |
| 23:09.32 | asg | tarzeau: then again, the last time I went through customs, they only apparently cared about Snails and Parrots. |
| 23:09.34 | Hannibal | eeyore-: so replug, ifup -a |
| 23:09.35 | Hannibal | ? |
| 23:09.36 | ma3x | asg, debian book? |
| 23:09.38 | absolutzero | I want to change the default host from localhost.localdomain...how do I do that? I tried hostname but it is not working, it is for my mail server |
| 23:09.42 | asuffield | the ridiculous part is that they do it because the networking guys grew up in the days of the 5-4-3 rule, which is completely obsoleted by a managed switch |
| 23:09.42 | asg | ma3x: no, LPI Exam boo |
| 23:09.43 | asg | k |
| 23:09.47 | eeyore- | Hannibal: ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 |
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| 23:09.53 | ma3x | oh didn't know that. |
| 23:09.53 | asuffield | but they still do it because networking guys don't know how to learn new tricks |
| 23:09.54 | tarzeau | asg: aha, so not a good idea to hide the crack inside the pets, eh? |
| 23:10.02 | eeyore- | asuffield: 5-4-3? |
| 23:10.08 | Hannibal | okay. Well, I'll hopefully see you guys in a bit then, on Linux that is :) |
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| 23:10.12 | asuffield | also, it ensures a continued flow of calls to the helpdesk, which ensures a continued *budget* to the helpdesk |
| 23:10.17 | absolutzero | gl Hannibal |
| 23:10.21 | asg | tarzeau: right though customs didn't harass me over my pork pies, HP, or cheese, which I was sure they would. |
| 23:10.23 | HAMM3R | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() ... I did install the php4-mysql package. But in my phpinfo page, i notice "--without-mysql". Any ideas about what could be wrong? |
| 23:10.34 | asuffield | there is absolutely no motivation for a university to do anything that would reduce the helpdesk load. it would be self-destructive to the support department |
| 23:10.38 | tarzeau | asg: mmm cheese. |
| 23:10.41 | asuffield | eeyore-: google |
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| 23:11.14 | tarzeau | asg: what countries were involved in your customs traversals? how do they care about LSD these days? |
| 23:11.25 | revenger4 | hmm any idea why I cannot use ` and ' in an Eterm windowß |
| 23:11.26 | revenger4 | ? |
| 23:11.28 | absolutzero | Okay anyway, I am trying to configure my mail server, I am using mailx as the client and solid-pop3d as the server... |
| 23:11.38 | asg | asuffield: we reduced our college helpdesk load by switching ticketing systems. The previous one was impossible to use, even for the poor sods with Windows. |
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| 23:11.50 | asg | tarzeau: this was UK -> US in the early '90s |
| 23:11.55 | absolutzero | I have the touter configured to accept connections on port 110, but the mail is not getting delieverd to the inbox |
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| 23:12.15 | asg | absolutzero: touter? |
| 23:12.24 | absolutzero | router sorry asg |
| 23:12.25 | _quik | whats the command to reconfigure xserver? |
| 23:12.28 | HAMM3R | (absolutzero): Your ISP may have incoming 110 blocked |
| 23:12.31 | tarzeau | revenger4: you can't type it? |
| 23:12.36 | tarzeau | !drx |
| 23:12.37 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:12.49 | revenger4 | tarzeau: only in an Eterm window |
| 23:12.56 | revenger4 | tarzeau: copying works though |
| 23:12.58 | asg | absolutzero: erm, mail is not usually delivered on port 110 (pop), usually on 25 (smtp) |
| 23:13.01 | absolutzero | no, because my other pop3 server worked just fine |
| 23:13.10 | _quik | thanks tarzeau |
| 23:13.12 | absolutzero | it is recieved on 110 |
| 23:13.12 | tarzeau | revenger4: it's broken, Eterm always had problems with my input too, that's why i cursed and sent it to hell, 4 years ago |
| 23:13.21 | asg | absolutzero: you receive smtp on port 110? |
| 23:13.29 | absolutzero | smtp is to send |
| 23:13.36 | revenger4 | tarzeau: it works on any other machine though |
| 23:13.39 | absolutzero | pop3 is to accept and store mail |
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| 23:13.59 | tarzeau | revenger4: what a bitch, really no idea, i'm so happy with xterm, Terminal.app and aterm |
| 23:14.01 | absolutzero | none theless |
| 23:14.03 | eeyore- | absolutzero: you're misunderstanding something |
| 23:14.11 | ma3x | asg, that O'reilly book is 570 pages just for the basic tests |
| 23:14.20 | eeyore- | absolutzero: what did you want that port 110 to do? |
| 23:14.21 | simonrvn | nonetheless is one word |
| 23:14.22 | abrotman | Hannibal: ? |
| 23:14.31 | asg | ma3x: so? |
| 23:14.31 | Hannibal | bugger. |
| 23:14.33 | absolutzero | pop3: Post Office Protocol |
| 23:14.35 | Hannibal | abrotman: no joy. |
| 23:14.55 | Hannibal | still lots of DHCPDISCOVER's sent, no DHCPOFFER received |
| 23:15.00 | eeyore- | absolutzero: i know what pop3 is. what did *YOU* want that port 110 to do for YOU |
| 23:15.07 | abrotman | ie .. is eth0 in linux same in win32 |
| 23:15.11 | absolutzero | anyway. what is the command to reconfigure the default mail system for debian |
| 23:15.19 | revenger4 | tarzeau: got it work again.. reinstalled eterm and libast.. |
| 23:15.21 | Hannibal | abrotman: no, they're different machines |
| 23:15.23 | ma3x | asg, for how many days would you read it? |
| 23:15.28 | abrotman | Hannibal: oh! |
| 23:15.32 | eeyore- | absolutzero: good luck, i don't think you'll be successful going down this path |
| 23:15.43 | absolutzero | when peope connect on port 110 they should be able to check their mailboxes |
| 23:15.46 | Hannibal | abrotman: I'm on my old pc, which runs windows. Debian is installed on my new machine. For which I don't have a registration key for windows yet... |
| 23:15.52 | asg | abrotman: it should be unless they are being sneaky and probing the machine first to see if it is likely a Windows or non-Windows box (escorting firewall, etc.) |
| 23:16.00 | abrotman | Hannibal: your win32 pc .. has only 1 NIC ? |
| 23:16.03 | asg | ma3x: a few hours, but know most of the stuff in it. |
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| 23:16.08 | Hannibal | abrotman: yes. |
| 23:16.09 | asg | s/know/I know/ |
| 23:16.15 | Hannibal | a generic Realtek one. |
| 23:16.15 | absolutzero | I have a pop3 server on IIS, which I configured and it works just fine |
| 23:16.24 | Miesco | Does wine use the ~/.wine/config file anymore? |
| 23:16.26 | Hannibal | the new pc has dual gigabit lan on the mobo |
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| 23:16.34 | eeyore- | Hannibal: do you have the same mac address now? |
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| 23:16.39 | absolutzero | I have it shut down right now presuambly because my nifty new *nix box was going to work better |
| 23:16.40 | abrotman | symphony |
| 23:16.47 | Hannibal | abrotman: I've used knoppix on it before, that worked. |
| 23:16.47 | tam | OT: how do you get google to interprit /24? i've put it in quotes but no luck at all |
| 23:16.52 | abrotman | Hannibal: recently ? |
| 23:16.55 | Hannibal | eeyore-: on the windows machine? |
| 23:16.58 | absolutzero | screw knoppix |
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| 23:17.03 | eeyore- | Hannibal: yes |
| 23:17.04 | asg | absolutzero: it will, you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Mail works. |
| 23:17.07 | Hannibal | abrotman: I only got the new desktop machine last friday ;) |
| 23:17.07 | tarzeau | tam: that's 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:17.09 | abrotman | !screw absolutzero |
| 23:17.14 | absolutzero | lol |
| 23:17.17 | asg | !drink absolut |
| 23:17.21 | Hannibal | eeyore-: yes |
| 23:17.27 | Hannibal | 00-08-A1-4D-BC-84 |
| 23:17.30 | abrotman | Hannibal: hrm .. what if! .. you take hte NIC from your current machine and put it in the debian box! |
| 23:17.34 | tam | tarzeau: i know, but i'm picking up something wrong. was trying to see what i was doing wrong. |
| 23:17.38 | absolutzero | wow. you can't connect on SMTP and check your mail-box |
| 23:17.40 | eeyore- | abrotman: don't have to |
| 23:17.41 | Hannibal | abrotman: that occured to me. |
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| 23:17.47 | absolutzero | smtp is to SEND mail |
| 23:17.48 | Hannibal | abrotman: but I'm stubborn |
| 23:17.50 | tarzeau | tam: there's some ip calculator tools in debian... |
| 23:17.52 | eeyore- | Hannibal: "ifconfig eth0", what's the hwaddress? |
| 23:17.53 | asg | absolutzero: and receive mail |
| 23:17.57 | abrotman | eeyore-: i don't know the MAC magic |
| 23:18.05 | asg | absolutzero: pop is used to login, check your mailbox, download mail to your local machine. |
| 23:18.09 | absolutzero | so I would need pop3 at ALL? |
| 23:18.12 | Hannibal | eeyore: it's different :s |
| 23:18.21 | Hannibal | 00:13:D4... etc. |
| 23:18.22 | tam | tarzeau: got it, but i try and work it out in my head first. which i did succecsfully. |
| 23:18.26 | Hannibal | odd. |
| 23:18.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: ifconfig eth0 hw ether c0:ff:ee:c0:ff:ee |
| 23:18.28 | asg | absolutzero: how mail is delivered to your mailbox is via the mda connected to your mta (maildrop, internal, etc.) |
| 23:18.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: you hacker! .. i'm telling your wife! |
| 23:18.46 | Fosten | hi, i have lost my root passwd. i am trying to reset as per !tell ifrp. however i get an error on the first step 'linux=init/bin/sh'... upon boot it says sh: cant access tty; job control turned off... any ideas? |
| 23:18.51 | eeyore- | Hannibal: ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:08:a1:4d:bc:84; ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 23:18.56 | abrotman | !forgot roots password |
| 23:18.57 | absolutzero | okay, I knew this but i think we were saying the same thing just differently |
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| 23:19.01 | abrotman | !i forgot roots password |
| 23:19.02 | absolutzero | pop3 is an account processor |
| 23:19.04 | vagabund | LightVersion: jump in - for my love ;) |
| 23:19.04 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:19.06 | asg | !i forgot root's password |
| 23:19.06 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 23:19.10 | asg | !win asg |
| 23:19.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won the US presidency! |
| 23:19.12 | abrotman | i was close |
| 23:19.13 | _quik | how do I restart xserver? |
| 23:19.17 | abrotman | !suck me |
| 23:19.18 | _quik | or just restart the box? |
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| 23:19.23 | mik3 | woot |
| 23:19.26 | mik3 | looks good => |
| 23:19.31 | asg | _quik: it depends on how X was started |
| 23:19.39 | tarzeau | _quik: ctrl-alt-backspace and startx |
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| 23:20.10 | absolutzero | asg are you using a mail server>? |
| 23:20.13 | Hannibal | eeyore-: I take it I'd use that with the cable back in the linux box? :) |
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| 23:20.18 | lethargic | Does anyone know what module I should install to get sound working on a bondi-blue G3 iMac? |
| 23:20.19 | eeyore- | Hannibal: yes |
| 23:20.21 | asg | absolutzero: yes, on many machines |
| 23:20.23 | lethargic | google doesn't seem to know.. |
| 23:20.26 | scx | anyone u have, or have known to Linux installed on a G5 ? |
| 23:20.29 | _quik | I plugged in a new monitor and x was not starting properly, I just chose to reboot |
| 23:20.31 | tarzeau | lethargic: #debianppc maybe |
| 23:20.33 | absolutzero | Like I said I had no problem setting up on my NT box |
| 23:20.37 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 23:20.54 | asg | absolutzero: that's because you don't know what you are doing and it helpfully did it for you. |
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| 23:20.56 | absolutzero | but for some reason when people send mail, it doesn't get in |
| 23:20.57 | tarzeau | scx: #debianppc maybe |
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| 23:20.58 | asg | absolutzero: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 23:21.03 | absolutzero | lol |
| 23:21.13 | absolutzero | I LOVE being insulted |
| 23:21.17 | scx | ok tnkz |
| 23:21.18 | tam | tarzeau: you may know what am talking about. i need to configure a part of a router and the part that i need to conf is the serial int. anyway, i need to conf it with 192.168.3.1 /24 (255.255.255.0) but it's(cisco virtual router) is coming back and saying invalid input detected at last 5 in the /24 subnet |
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| 23:21.20 | mik3 | what's the application that shows binaries, directories, shell scripts etc as different colors? |
| 23:21.21 | asg | absolutzero: I was being factual, not insulting |
| 23:21.23 | lethargic | ok |
| 23:21.23 | tam | tarzeau: any ideas? |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | mik3: ls --color ? |
| 23:21.30 | absolutzero | I KNOW what I am doing |
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| 23:21.45 | absolutzero | I just kinf find any of the f\&& utilities to configure anything |
| 23:21.47 | mik3 | oh |
| 23:21.48 | asg | absolutzero: but you swear that you can use SMTP to retrieve mail from your POP3 server on NT? |
| 23:21.56 | eeyore- | absolutzero: do you know that mail is getting delivered to the linux machine? is it the mx? how do you prove you know what you're doing? what log files have you been reading? |
| 23:22.01 | abrotman | asg: hehehe .. :) |
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| 23:22.18 | tarzeau | tam: serial int. being? |
| 23:22.19 | liable | best way to bring down and then up an interface over ssh? |
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| 23:22.23 | asg | absolutzero: if you can show me the SMTP protocol that does that, I'll suck abrotman's balls next time I'm in Philly. |
| 23:22.24 | tarzeau | tam: ah interface .. yuck |
| 23:22.30 | tam | tarzeau: hehe |
| 23:22.33 | tarzeau | tam: that's not called interface |
| 23:22.38 | abrotman | gah! .. House or My Name is Earl? |
| 23:22.43 | bcc | is there a way to force a mount of a device that's already monted somewhere else as a ro? |
| 23:22.47 | abrotman | asg: how about buy me dinner at warmdaddys? |
| 23:22.53 | Hannibal | oddness. |
| 23:22.53 | asg | abrotman: deal, you get beer |
| 23:22.55 | tam | tarzeau: i thought it was ip s0 blah de blah |
| 23:22.55 | Hannibal | it still doesn't work |
| 23:22.56 | eeyore- | somebody record asg's challenge while i go code up smtp protocol that will do JUST that |
| 23:22.56 | tarzeau | tam: i have no idea what they were on when they wrote that error msg you posted |
| 23:22.57 | absolutzero | I have an MX record with thebbs.org |
| 23:23.03 | abrotman | asg: ok .. but Yuengling all the way! :) |
| 23:23.04 | tarzeau | tam: but it must be some pretty nice stuff |
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| 23:23.08 | asg | eeyore-: not your special one, his special one ;) |
| 23:23.11 | abrotman | asg: or Bass/Boddingtons! |
| 23:23.16 | eeyore- | oh hot damn |
| 23:23.20 | asg | abrotman: either or |
| 23:23.21 | tam | tarzeau: i would like that to be share and share alike :) |
| 23:23.23 | Hannibal | abrotman / eeyore-: for one, thanks for all your help in the first place :) |
| 23:23.26 | eeyore- | i missed out on the cahnce to see asg sucking balls |
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| 23:23.31 | abrotman | Hannibal: did you get it ? |
| 23:23.37 | eeyore- | Hannibal: did you give up or did it work? |
| 23:23.40 | Hannibal | for another, would the fact that it's apparently looking for ipv4 servers make a difference? |
| 23:23.42 | Hannibal | it didn't work |
| 23:23.46 | Hannibal | and I haven't given up yet |
| 23:23.53 | asg | eeyore-: were it to ever happen, I'd put pictures up on my site and make cafepress t-shirts. |
| 23:23.56 | tarzeau | i wonder if other people also hate requesttracker |
| 23:23.56 | Hannibal | I'm just mentioning that I appreciate what you're doing already :) |
| 23:23.57 | abrotman | sit0 shouldn't make a difference |
| 23:24.00 | Gnea | eeyore-: you mean there are times when he isn't doing that? |
| 23:24.07 | Gnea | :) |
| 23:24.18 | eeyore- | Hannibal: could you be pluggin into the wrong port anyway? :))) first order of the day is to establish WHICH rj45 is eth0 and which is eth1 :) |
| 23:24.19 | Hannibal | abrotman: sit0? |
| 23:24.28 | Hannibal | eeyore-: I'm sure of that. |
| 23:24.33 | abrotman | sit0 |
| 23:24.36 | asg | abrotman: what channel is house on? |
| 23:24.40 | macnetic | I'll be off to do my distupgrade then... no last-minute advice? |
| 23:24.40 | vagabund | i think abrotman is goot to his kids if he had some - ;) |
| 23:24.42 | DoppelGanger | fox |
| 23:24.43 | abrotman | asg: FOX |
| 23:24.46 | asg | danke |
| 23:25.05 | abrotman | vagabund: i have none .. the UN decided it was better that way |
| 23:25.07 | Hannibal | eeyore-: because at some point the terminal said 'network disconnected on eth0' when I pulled out the cable when in a virtual console :) |
| 23:25.14 | error403__ | is there a god guide anywhere for setting up a mail server that is actually being pointed to by mail.domain.com ? |
| 23:25.20 | absolutzero | what is the command to reconfigure the mail server? |
| 23:25.21 | error403__ | s/god/good |
| 23:25.32 | abrotman | error403__: depends on your SMTP server |
| 23:25.37 | error403__ | abrotman, ? |
| 23:25.39 | dondelelcaro | error403__: it depends on the MTA; generally you just tell it that it is mail.domain.com |
| 23:25.45 | vagabund | I dont belive that - |
| 23:25.47 | dondelelcaro | (and that it should receive for domain.com) |
| 23:25.49 | Hannibal | eeyore-: so I'm fairly sure I'm plugging into the right port :) |
| 23:25.54 | abrotman | error403__: postfix/exim/qmail/sendmail |
| 23:26.20 | eeyore- | Hannibal: could you possibly require pppoe? |
| 23:26.23 | tarzeau | anyone's used partitions or disks > 2 TB? |
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| 23:26.35 | eeyore- | Hannibal: no, you said you don't need to install anything special on windows, right? |
| 23:26.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: xfs can iirc |
| 23:26.43 | Hannibal | eeyore-: that's correct. |
| 23:26.56 | eeyore- | Hannibal: call the isp helpdesk, i guess :-) |
| 23:26.58 | dondelelcaro | FE, in sendmail you add a line to /etc/mail/local-host-names and optionally add a set of rules to virtusertable or similar. |
| 23:27.00 | absolutzero | I can't remeber the default debian mail server |
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| 23:27.05 | asg | abrotman: you do realize that Hugh Laurie is the Dumb Prince in Blackadder III |
| 23:27.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: the thing is cfdisk/fdisk can't, and i'm not sure if it's a limit of the dos partition table |
| 23:27.10 | Hannibal | eeyore-: noes :( |
| 23:27.15 | abrotman | asg: should i? |
| 23:27.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. mebbe |
| 23:27.24 | error403__ | abrotman, say i have a hosting account, with SMTP access - do i give the IP of that server for my outgoing? |
| 23:27.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: parted shows the stuff right kinda. i guess reiserfs, jfs and ext3 can do it fine too |
| 23:27.28 | asg | abrotman: he doesn't play much of a comedian in House. |
| 23:27.40 | abrotman | asg: i think he's damn good though |
| 23:27.42 | eeyore- | tarzeau: 2 TERRABYTES? |
| 23:27.44 | Hannibal | eeyore-: I've called them once. before I came here. The fact that it took them 2 minutes to decide what speed of internet we have here signals to me that I'm in for a very long wait trying to get a linux system to work |
| 23:27.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll try without partition table |
| 23:27.48 | tarzeau | eeyore-: yes |
| 23:27.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: raw drive! |
| 23:27.51 | Fosten | hi, i've lost my root pw. i am following the directions on !tell ifrp. however upon boot i get sh: can't access tty: job control turned off... any ideas? (sorry gaim crashed on me and i didn't get to see any responses to this question earlier) |
| 23:27.55 | tarzeau | eeyore-: not tinybytes ;) |
| 23:27.55 | eeyore- | tarzeau: that's too big for my wallet |
| 23:27.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: how much porn do you really need? |
| 23:28.11 | abrotman | error403__: probably |
| 23:28.12 | eeyore- | tarzeau: i *barely* have 1TB |
| 23:28.18 | vagabund | !porn |
| 23:28.19 | dpkg | porn is, like, see pr0n |
| 23:28.19 | tarzeau | eeyore-: hehe, i've got like 10 tb on two workstations here, with 2x3,2ghz and 4gigs ram ;) |
| 23:28.23 | abrotman | eeyore-: i have 10GB! |
| 23:28.27 | abrotman | oh .. more than that |
| 23:28.30 | tarzeau | eeyore-: haha *i* have 1,4 gb at home |
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| 23:28.46 | abrotman | asg: you're not a fan of the show though? |
| 23:28.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: none at all |
| 23:29.10 | absolutzero | aha sendmail is the default |
| 23:29.11 | error403__ | abrotman, what ports do i need open so that mail is delivered directly to my home server? |
| 23:29.21 | abrotman | error403__: 25 ? |
| 23:29.25 | asg | abrotman: yes, not bad. I just got Hitchhikers via Netflix so might watch that instead. |
| 23:29.26 | abrotman | your ISP will hate you |
| 23:29.31 | eeyore- | error403__: 25, but your ISP had better not block inbound 25 |
| 23:29.32 | abrotman | asg: no! |
| 23:29.32 | Hannibal | abrotman / eeyore-: thanks anyway. And I'll see if I come up with something brilliant... |
| 23:29.38 | absolutzero | goodbye exim lol |
| 23:29.38 | mwh_ | Hi, im upgrading from woody to sarge and its a computer with a slow internet connection, im planing to add some cd's but im wondering how many cd's of sarge I should get to encompass the most used packages? |
| 23:29.41 | asg | abrotman: maybe after then |
| 23:29.42 | abrotman | Hannibal: ack! |
| 23:29.43 | eeyore- | Hannibal: give me beers? |
| 23:29.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: but my mobile mp3 player has too small storage space. i'd love a 4gig ipod nano |
| 23:29.46 | dondelelcaro | absolutzero: no, sendmail is not the default. The default is exim. |
| 23:29.47 | error403__ | abrotman, i havent had ANY blocked ports yet.. |
| 23:29.49 | eeyore- | Hannibal: THAT would be brilliant |
| 23:29.57 | abrotman | asg: he was Mr Frederick Little! |
| 23:29.58 | Hannibal | eeyore-: hehe, where do you live? |
| 23:30.05 | eeyore- | Hannibal: SOCAL |
| 23:30.07 | tarzeau | mwh_: i'd rather use the slow internet |
| 23:30.07 | abrotman | error403__: you don't . your ISP does |
| 23:30.15 | eeyore- | Hannibal: california, sunny. come vacation some time. |
| 23:30.16 | absolutzero | crap... thats what i wanted to know. |
| 23:30.19 | error403__ | abrotman, i have IRCd, webservers, etc running |
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| 23:30.23 | asg | abrotman: and a rich moron in The Young Ones 'Bambi' episode (the one where Motorhead played in the living room.) |
| 23:30.30 | Hannibal | eeyore-: youch, that's a fair bit away from me |
| 23:30.32 | abrotman | error403__: ok |
| 23:30.34 | mwh_ | tarzeau, really? |
| 23:30.41 | Hannibal | eeyore-: why did you ask if I was dutch, anyway? |
| 23:30.45 | tarzeau | mwh_: you bet |
| 23:30.45 | Hannibal | (that was you, right?) |
| 23:30.46 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 23:30.54 | tarzeau | mwh_: cdrom is crap, any removable medium is crap |
| 23:30.58 | jshoenberger | The Young Ones! |
| 23:30.58 | abrotman | Hannibal: you mean you're not french ? |
| 23:30.59 | eeyore- | Hannibal: no, i traceroute to the IP and it was (seemed like) it was in the Netherlands |
| 23:30.59 | jshoenberger | rofl |
| 23:31.01 | tarzeau | mwh_: i hate it all |
| 23:31.04 | LightVision | hi |
| 23:31.06 | mwh_ | ;) |
| 23:31.08 | Hannibal | heh, lol |
| 23:31.14 | asg | abrotman: well, I'm off to take care of some things. Talk later. |
| 23:31.21 | Hannibal | abrotman / eeyore- I'm dutch, yeah. |
| 23:31.23 | Hannibal | Amsterdam :) |
| 23:31.29 | abrotman | asg: hve fun! |
| 23:31.32 | eeyore- | oooh, i love amsterdam |
| 23:31.32 | asg | abrotman: you too |
| 23:31.33 | Hannibal | (aka today's Sodom and Gomorra) |
| 23:31.38 | abrotman | asg: things == wife eh? :) |
| 23:31.51 | Hannibal | any of you coming to euroOSCON this october? |
| 23:31.56 | eeyore- | was at the central train station when it rained. so nice. and there were choirs singing in the stores (this was christmas) |
| 23:31.57 | Hannibal | we may be able to arrange a beer then ;) |
| 23:31.57 | vagabund | hm in Sydney its now wednesday 9:30 or something |
| 23:32.07 | eeyore- | good smells (wink wink) in the air |
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| 23:32.11 | tarzeau | someone going to eurobsdcon in switzerland ? |
| 23:32.16 | abrotman | me! |
| 23:32.36 | Hannibal | abrotman: bsdcon or oscon? |
| 23:32.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: this one? http://www.eurobsdcon.org/ |
| 23:32.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: no ... the one in switzerland, pa |
| 23:33.07 | eeyore- | i'm thinking up ways to scam the company to send me there |
| 23:33.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: you are serious? |
| 23:33.15 | eeyore- | might have to manufacture something |
| 23:33.20 | Hannibal | eeyore-: hehe. |
| 23:33.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: no ... i'm sorry .. send the swiss army after me |
| 23:34.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: prepare for a nice drug trip and booze for myself :) |
| 23:34.08 | Guerin | abrotman: no need to worry about them - all they have is knives |
| 23:34.08 | me_here | sizeof(swissarmyknife) = ?? |
| 23:34.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha, if you don't come i'll have twice the drugs and booze |
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| 23:34.21 | Hannibal | eeyore-: this is going to sound silly... but is the fact that I see messages like 'DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval n' a sign that the network interface does actually work? |
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| 23:34.44 | Guerin | Hannibal: ping would be a sign that it worked |
| 23:34.48 | Hannibal | because it was such a trouble to get the drivers to compile and install... |
| 23:34.49 | eeyore- | Hannibal: yes. is this custom kernel? |
| 23:35.05 | eeyore- | Hannibal: if you compile custom kernel (not the driver) you might have forgotten a thing or two |
| 23:35.06 | Hannibal | eeyore-: no, unless installing drivers makes it one? |
| 23:35.13 | eeyore- | Hannibal: nah |
| 23:35.20 | Hannibal | Guerin: how would I ping without a network connection? |
| 23:35.23 | eeyore- | hmm, closest office is in Leuven, Belgium |
| 23:35.25 | Hannibal | there is no dns, nothing to ping |
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| 23:35.36 | eeyore- | Hannibal: would Leuven or Paris be closer to you? |
| 23:35.39 | Hannibal | the loopback works, but it's not like that's any proof |
| 23:35.42 | Hannibal | Leuven |
| 23:35.45 | abrotman | Guerin: you lie .. they have no army |
| 23:35.47 | grendal_prime | cananyone tell me what the hellthis means include/asm/processor.h:87: error: array type has incomplete element type |
| 23:35.50 | Hannibal | Leuven is like between Paris and Amsterdam ;) |
| 23:35.52 | Guerin | Hannibal: dns isn't needed for ping. Ping your dhcp server. |
| 23:36.08 | Hannibal | hrm. |
| 23:36.10 | Guerin | Hannibal: no other machines on the network? |
| 23:36.21 | Hannibal | Guerin: I don't even know how the network works |
| 23:36.23 | shrike__ | Hannibal, pull someones mac and use that see if it works |
| 23:36.31 | absolutzero | whoot got the exim4-config running... |
| 23:36.39 | Hannibal | shrike__: how is that proof the network interface in the comp works? |
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| 23:36.40 | eeyore- | Hannibal: how long would it take to get from England to Amsterdam, by train? |
| 23:36.50 | Hannibal | eeyore-: tough one... |
| 23:36.52 | grendal_prime | everytime i try and compile something from source i get that error |
| 23:36.58 | Guerin | Hannibal: is yours the only machine you're aware of? |
| 23:36.58 | Hannibal | longer than from Leuven, I think |
| 23:37.05 | me_here | 2 hrs ?? |
| 23:37.15 | Guerin | me_here: seriously? that fast? |
| 23:37.18 | shrike__ | I was assuming interface worked |
| 23:37.33 | eeyore- | because there's a higher chance of me being in England than me being in Belgium :-) |
| 23:38.09 | me_here | Guerin: depends on train and JIMBUTTON |
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| 23:38.18 | me_here | lol |
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| 23:38.32 | Hannibal | me_here: no way :s |
| 23:38.38 | error403 | What does PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550-"The recipient cannot be verified. Please check all recipients of this message to verify they are valid." mean when i try and send email to my home server ? |
| 23:38.44 | Hannibal | train from London to Brussels takes at least that long. |
| 23:38.45 | error403 | (using exim4 mailserver_ |
| 23:38.53 | eeyore- | oh duh! i forgot |
| 23:39.17 | Hannibal | Guerin: I'm not aware of the network itself. |
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| 23:39.32 | Hannibal | Guerin: the point is, my ISP has a dhcp server. Everyone has a wall socket for a udp cable |
| 23:39.39 | Hannibal | you plug it in, you use dhcp and you're good to go |
| 23:39.42 | Hannibal | or so the theory goes. |
| 23:39.44 | Guerin | Hannibal: ok. you only run one machine? |
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| 23:40.24 | Hannibal | Guerin: I have two, but have to switch the cable |
| 23:40.25 | enyc | erro: exactly what it said ;-) |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | two! |
| 23:40.38 | Hannibal | so I can only have one on the net at any given time |
| 23:40.50 | Lilldude_ | hey liable |
| 23:40.51 | Fosten | hi Guerin, you answered my question the other day on a lost my root pw by !tell Fosten about ifrp. however after booting with linux init=/bin/sh, i get sh: can't access tty: job control turned off... any ideas? |
| 23:40.51 | enyc | erro: the server you are talking to attemps to veryify the sender address appears to be valid |
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| 23:41.26 | Guerin | Hannibal: the machines aren't networked together? What I'm driving at is that you can connect them to each other and test the network that way. once you're satisfied it works, you can work on the smaller problem, which is dhcp. |
| 23:41.29 | enyc | hann: you can create a NAT rule to allow both to work, one machine via a second ethernet on the other |
| 23:41.44 | Guerin | Fosten: I've never seen that one. Someone else may know. |
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| 23:42.02 | Fosten | anyone else know? |
| 23:42.04 | Hannibal | enyc: and I'd have to run the old windows machine any time I want to run my new machine? doesn't sound like a solution to me, sorry. |
| 23:42.16 | eeyore- | abrotman: it would have been so easy to typo prostrates and have a totally different meaning |
| 23:42.30 | enyc | hann: then connec it the other way round ;-) |
| 23:42.45 | Hannibal | enyc: that machine can't connect, for unknown reasons |
| 23:42.50 | Hannibal | so that's totally utterly useless anyhow. |
| 23:42.50 | enyc | hann: then fix it ;-) |
| 23:42.53 | abrotman | eeyore-: i know |
| 23:42.54 | bobesponja | does etch comes with kernel 2.6 as default? |
| 23:42.57 | Hannibal | sigh. |
| 23:43.01 | Guerin | !tell enyc about nicktab |
| 23:43.07 | abrotman | enyc: tab complete !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:43.09 | Hannibal | hehe |
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| 23:43.21 | Guerin | bobesponja: etch doesn't come with anything, it's not yet released. |
| 23:43.31 | Hannibal | okay, I'll try the ping the dhcp server suggestion for a bit |
| 23:43.49 | abrotman | how would he ping hte dhcp server without an IP ? |
| 23:43.59 | eeyore- | abrotman: set it by hand! |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | if tht works |
| 23:44.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: you lazy bum, you! |
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| 23:44.13 | nyterukh | hi |
| 23:44.33 | Fosten | Guerin: can i also reset root pw using a knoppix disk? |
| 23:44.42 | enyc | anyway... |
| 23:45.02 | Guerin | Fosten: yeah, by mounting your /, chrooting and running 'passwd' |
| 23:45.04 | enyc | use crossover acblae and statuc-acddresses and get a card to work.. |
| 23:45.14 | abrotman | holy crap |
| 23:45.18 | stouset | Anyone tried compiling zsnes on amd64 before? |
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| 23:45.28 | abrotman | stouset: #debian-amd64 |
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| 23:45.51 | stouset | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 23:45.58 | Guerin | abrotman: that's why I suggested another computer |
| 23:46.04 | Hannibal | bleh |
| 23:46.05 | Hannibal | that doesn't work |
| 23:46.07 | Hannibal | Network is unreachable |
| 23:46.22 | abrotman | Guerin: for what? |
| 23:46.25 | Guerin | Hannibal: it means you're not on that network, so you can't ping it |
| 23:46.28 | abrotman | Hannibal: means you don't have an IP :) |
| 23:46.38 | abrotman | Hannibal: can you set the IP your windows machine gets on your debian box ? |
| 23:46.39 | Guerin | Hannibal: network your two machines together and test that way |
| 23:46.46 | Hannibal | abrotman: how? |
| 23:46.57 | Hannibal | Guerin: wouldn't I need a crossover cable for that? |
| 23:46.59 | abrotman | Hannibal: with .. ifconfig! |
| 23:47.10 | Guerin | Hannibal: yes. |
| 23:47.19 | Hannibal | Guerin: right, and I don't have one. |
| 23:47.28 | Hannibal | Guerin: and it's 1.46 here (am) |
| 23:47.36 | Hannibal | so not really a time to go shopping |
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| 23:47.41 | eeyore- | Hannibal: boot windows, write down the output from "ipconfig /all" |
| 23:47.44 | riddlebox | how do I load mod_auth for apache? |
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| 23:47.47 | eeyore- | Hannibal: boot windows, come back |
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| 23:47.52 | Hannibal | eeyore-: reboot? |
| 23:47.54 | tarzeau | Hannibal: hehe same time here |
| 23:48.01 | eeyore- | Hannibal: uh, i mean, boot linux and come back and we'll tell you what to type |
| 23:48.09 | tarzeau | Hannibal: you don't have to get up tomorrow morning early? |
| 23:48.17 | mik3 | hi i use evolution to connect to gmail (pop3/smtp) but for some reason debian won't communicate with gmail's pop server for some reason, any ideas? |
| 23:48.27 | Hannibal | tarzeau: err, first class at 10 or eleven or such |
| 23:48.29 | tarzeau | mik3: use a sniffer to find out |
| 23:48.34 | Hannibal | so sort of, yeah |
| 23:48.41 | mik3 | how would i go about using a sniffer |
| 23:48.42 | Hannibal | eeyore-: linux is also already booted... |
| 23:48.42 | mik3 | !sniffer |
| 23:49.02 | eeyore- | Hannibal: write down the output from "ipconfig /all" (windows command) |
| 23:49.03 | Hannibal | eeyore-: I have two machines, remember. One with linux, one with windows |
| 23:49.05 | kart_ | mik3, instructions are given at google.com |
| 23:49.13 | tarzeau | mik3: apt-get install tcpdump ngrep ; tcpdump port pop3 and port smtp |
| 23:49.20 | mik3 | kart_ : i have gmail set up properly, it was working fine on ubuntu |
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| 23:49.24 | Hannibal | eeyore-: I can see it in the terminal right now. Why? |
| 23:49.34 | eeyore- | Hannibal: because we want you to configure linux identically :) |
| 23:49.42 | eeyore- | Hannibal: what's the IP address/netmask/broadcast? |
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| 23:49.48 | Hannibal | ah right. |
| 23:49.50 | Hannibal | sorry |
| 23:49.51 | tarzeau | !sniffer is tcpdump and ngrep |
| 23:49.51 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 23:49.55 | United | how can i remove pdns and all its attached installments? |
| 23:49.58 | eeyore- | Hannibal: *plonk* |
| 23:50.03 | kart_ | mik3, but you need to take special care with evolution |
| 23:50.20 | United | also is there a good bandwidth monitor that will actually tell you what is running and how much bandwidth it is taking? |
| 23:50.24 | kart_ | mik3, and also enable pop in settings with gmail a/c |
| 23:50.26 | nprice | when i try to run lilo, i get "Fatal: /dev/null: neither a reg. file nor a block dev." how can i recreate the dev entry properly? |
| 23:50.29 | tarzeau | United: iptraf |
| 23:50.34 | mik3 | not really, i have evolution working fine on ubuntu with gmail, i think i'm lacking fetchmail or some sort of configurations |
| 23:50.37 | United | i used iptraf |
| 23:50.44 | United | but it dont show what it taking the bw? |
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| 23:50.53 | tarzeau | United: what software or what? |
| 23:51.01 | kart_ | mik3, hmm |
| 23:51.02 | vagabund | keeps a "LightVersion" in his mind - |
| 23:51.11 | United | tarzeau it is pdns-server |
| 23:51.12 | Hannibal | eeyore- / abrotman : http://debian.pastebin.com/369504 |
| 23:51.48 | abrotman | it's in french! |
| 23:51.57 | Hannibal | no, in dutch |
| 23:51.59 | dvs | chic alors! |
| 23:52.00 | Hannibal | I can't help it |
| 23:52.10 | Hannibal | I'll translate what you can't understand :) |
| 23:52.21 | Hannibal | (or just do one yourself, they'll probably have the same order anyway) |
| 23:52.23 | error403 | IT LIVES!!!! |
| 23:52.23 | United | how do i remove pdns ? |
| 23:52.33 | tarzeau | United: how did you install it? |
| 23:52.36 | eeyore- | Hannibal: ifconfig eth0 82.139.89.208 netmask 255.255.192.0 |
| 23:52.57 | United | apt-get -u install pdns-server pdns-mysql |
| 23:53.01 | eeyore- | Hannibal: route add default gw 82.139.76.1 |
| 23:53.02 | United | apt-get -u install pdns-server pdns-mysql pdns-doc |
| 23:53.11 | tarzeau | United: what about you replace install with remove? |
| 23:53.28 | eeyore- | Hannibal: echo "nameserver 82.139.64.64" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:53.46 | eeyore- | Hannibal: ping 82.139.76.1 (after pluggin in ethernet cable) |
| 23:53.51 | mik3 | ah the solution was simple, i had use security whenever possible enabled and not always use secure |
| 23:54.27 | bucky | bobesponja, here's the iso http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ type linux26 at the boot prompt |
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| 23:55.04 | Hannibal | eeyore-: okay, here we go |
| 23:55.44 | bobesponja | bucky: i did and 2.6 is default, now u need to type linux24 :) |
| 23:55.55 | bucky | ah |
| 23:56.29 | dvs | ha! That's funny! |
| 23:56.35 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:56.35 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
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| 23:57.48 | vagabund | why destiny? I dont know why... |
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| 23:58.17 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 23:58.17 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 23:58.35 | Hannibal | woohooo :D |
| 23:58.53 | Hannibal | thanks a lot! :) |
| 23:59.00 | abrotman | did he get it ? |
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| 23:59.14 | Hannibal | I do really hate KSirc, but there's another time to install IRC clients... |
| 23:59.22 | abrotman | irssi-text |
| 23:59.25 | Hannibal | abrotman: yeah, it works |
| 23:59.34 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:59.56 | Hannibal | konqueror works, everything works :) |
