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| 00:00.20 | Hannibal | eeyore-: thanks again! So does this last until after a reboot? Or do I need to do this every time I log in, or...? |
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| 00:01.58 | Guerin | Hannibal: you now know the card works. Talk to your ISP's tech support. |
| 00:02.11 | eeyore- | Hannibal: the card works, the getting of dhcp doesn't :) |
| 00:02.20 | eeyore- | Hannibal: i have no clue why it doesnt, yet |
| 00:03.10 | eeyore- | Hannibal: maybe some day you'll let me ssh in and take a look around :) |
| 00:03.21 | eeyore- | or maybe that's a dangerous thing to do these days |
| 00:03.25 | eeyore- | i'd better not |
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| 00:05.48 | LightVision | how can I customize a kernel specific for my CPU, and system? |
| 00:06.03 | Flimzy | LightVision, compile your own kernel |
| 00:06.05 | LightVision | eeyore-: hehe ;) |
| 00:06.14 | thingfish | LightVision: don't even. |
| 00:06.23 | LightVision | Flimzy: yes, any websites you know of that explains all that for newbies? |
| 00:06.29 | LightVision | thingfish: ok :) |
| 00:06.35 | Flimzy | LightVision, google.com |
| 00:06.43 | thingfish | LightVision: Debian has all kinds of nice kernels already. |
| 00:06.50 | LightVision | Flimzy: whats google? :) |
| 00:06.56 | LightVision | thingfish: ok |
| 00:07.17 | LightVision | thingfish: i read a magazine, its possible to customize a kernel specific for my CPU, and system, so it runs faster! thats why I was asking |
| 00:07.17 | Flimzy | LightVision: For most people, there won't be a noticable improvement in performance over a standard kernel |
| 00:07.22 | thingfish | LightVision: just fire up synaptic and search. You on sarge? |
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| 00:07.26 | LightVision | Flimzy: ok I undderstand |
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| 00:07.36 | LightVision | thingfish: indeed I am, using Sarge :) |
| 00:07.40 | Flimzy | LightVision, And if you don't know how to google, then it's definately a task beyond you :P |
| 00:07.47 | LightVision | Flimzy: hehe ;) |
| 00:07.52 | thingfish | LightVision: yeah, well, they neglect to tell you in those articles that the differences are not noticeable to the human eye. |
| 00:08.03 | LightVision | thingfish: yeah they dont mention that |
| 00:08.23 | Hannibal | eeyore-: yeah, maybe sometime later :) |
| 00:08.27 | thingfish | LightVision: what cpu do you have? |
| 00:08.27 | Flimzy | LightVision, But seriously... it's probably not worth messing with until you're more versed in Linux |
| 00:08.34 | dotCOMmie | after doing apt-get dist-upgrade I got: "E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option." is it safe to force-loopbreak? |
| 00:08.35 | LightVision | thingfish: a 800cpu |
| 00:08.42 | thingfish | PIII? |
| 00:08.44 | LightVision | Flimzy: I understand |
| 00:08.44 | Hannibal | eeyore-: so do I need to do some of these commands every time I start this thing up? |
| 00:08.46 | Flimzy | I make my own kernels all the time... but then I've been doing that for nearly 10 years, so I can do it with my eyes closed |
| 00:08.50 | dvs | 800 CPUS!?! |
| 00:08.52 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:08.59 | thingfish | probably 800MHz. |
| 00:09.01 | LightVision | thingfish: hmm, not sure. how can I tell if its a piii? |
| 00:09.05 | Hannibal | eeyore-: or can I save them in /etc/network/interfaces as well? |
| 00:09.13 | thingfish | if it's 800 MHz, it's a P3. |
| 00:09.22 | LightVision | Flimzy: cool :) well its been 4 weeks for me :) |
| 00:09.23 | thingfish | or an athlon, but probably a piii. |
| 00:09.27 | dvs | thingfish: What about a Duron or an AMD |
| 00:09.27 | Flimzy | thingfish, or Athlon |
| 00:09.30 | Flimzy | Or Duron |
| 00:09.36 | thingfish | yeah |
| 00:09.37 | LightVision | thingfish: its an intel I believe |
| 00:09.40 | Flimzy | or G4 :P |
| 00:09.46 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:09.48 | Flimzy | or Alpha |
| 00:09.55 | thingfish | hehe ok I get it already. |
| 00:09.55 | Flimzy | See? There are MANY options at 800Mhz :P |
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| 00:10.01 | thingfish | you funny people! |
| 00:10.31 | LightVision | Flimzy: i read linux for dummies, now going to read Linux Bible |
| 00:10.41 | thingfish | LightVision: ok then, you might want to fire up synaptic or apt-get and install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 00:10.44 | Flimzy | LightVision, I'm sorry to hear taht. |
| 00:10.47 | dotCOMmie | cat /proc/cpuinfo?? |
| 00:10.57 | LightVision | thingfish: i already did that actually. running 2.6.8 now |
| 00:11.03 | LightVision | Flimzy: hear what? |
| 00:11.10 | Flimzy | LightVision, That you're reading dead trees. |
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| 00:11.20 | LightVision | Flimzy: what should I be reading? |
| 00:11.25 | Flimzy | LightVision, google.com |
| 00:11.35 | Flimzy | Dead trees are usually outdated before they're in print |
| 00:11.41 | LightVision | Flimzy: I dont trust google and websites as much as books |
| 00:11.51 | LightVision | Flimzy: I have come across much false data on internet |
| 00:11.53 | Flimzy | LightVision, I don't trust books as much as google and web sites. |
| 00:11.56 | SquarePants | hi... |
| 00:11.58 | SquarePants | how can i use locate to find file 'file'? and not eg. 'file1'? |
| 00:12.06 | thingfish | I'm with Flimzy. |
| 00:12.09 | Flimzy | LightVision, Yeah, you'll find a lot of false data on the Internet when you're reading UFO cult sites. |
| 00:12.10 | LightVision | Flimzy: any 11 year kid can write a website, and I wouldnt know its accuracy |
| 00:12.11 | kPan1c | LightVision, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 00:12.21 | Flimzy | LightVision, Then don't read Linux web sites written by 11 year olds. |
| 00:12.21 | LightVision | kPan1c: ok thanks |
| 00:12.34 | LightVision | Flimzy: i cant know for sure if its 11 year old kid |
| 00:12.45 | Flimzy | LightVision, Not to mention... there aren't any good books about Debian (that were written in this century, anyway) |
| 00:12.46 | thingfish | LightVision: that's why it's important to hang out in channels like #debian. you find out what's good and what's not. |
| 00:12.53 | LightVision | Flimzy: can you write one? |
| 00:13.01 | Flimzy | LightVision, Can I write one what? |
| 00:13.04 | LightVision | thingfish: yeah makes sense |
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| 00:13.07 | eeyore- | Hannibal: it depends on how long the DHCP lease is valid for |
| 00:13.16 | LightVision | Flimzy: write a new updated Debian book |
| 00:13.17 | Flimzy | LightVision, Read the HOWTOs |
| 00:13.23 | Flimzy | LightVision, and anything at debian.org should be good |
| 00:13.29 | eeyore- | Hannibal: if your lease is only valid for 24 hours, server is going to want to renew and it might not give you the same IP again |
| 00:13.30 | LightVision | Flimzy: ok |
| 00:13.42 | Flimzy | LightVision, I might write things about Debian... but I wouldn't put them in a book. I'd put them online--just like everyone else who knows what the hell theyr'e talking about. |
| 00:13.43 | eeyore- | Hannibal: which means things will stop working again, but you could boot windows and get the numbers again :) |
| 00:13.47 | vineet | SquarePants: locate \*file will do it |
| 00:13.49 | eeyore- | Hannibal: i got to go home |
| 00:14.00 | LightVision | LightVision, Not to mention... there aren't any good books about Debian (that were written in this century, anyway) <-- well, can you write a new updated Debian book? |
| 00:14.06 | vineet | SquarePants: but it will also match 'afile' and 'someotherfile' |
| 00:14.10 | LightVision | Flimzy: ok! whats your website? |
| 00:14.13 | Flimzy | LightVision, Most people who write Linux books do it because their publishers want to get on the "bandwagon" so they hire some semi-knowledgable technical writer to write a brief overview of Linux |
| 00:14.15 | Hannibal | eeyore-: okay, thanks a lot :) |
| 00:14.23 | SquarePants | vineet: so there is no way, i must use find |
| 00:14.35 | Flimzy | LightVision, The people who really know what's up write on their web sites, in mailing lists, blogs, usenet, etc |
| 00:14.35 | gravity | The Debian books are written by knowledgeable people |
| 00:14.43 | gravity | Knowing the authors of both books |
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| 00:14.58 | vineet | SquarePants: you can use locate | grep |
| 00:14.59 | Flimzy | gravity: Well my best friend cowrote the Debian Bible |
| 00:15.03 | Hannibal | I'll bother you all again when I have time to figure out why my sound doesn't work, and how to use the nvidia drivers for my GPU so I can do some 3d |
| 00:15.08 | Flimzy | gravity, But then that book came out in '99 or so |
| 00:15.08 | gravity | Flimzy: Who's that? |
| 00:15.09 | vagabund | well debian books cant be updatet so quickly - as you read - |
| 00:15.09 | LightVision | Flimzy: yes but a newbie wouldnt know whats right or wrong data |
| 00:15.13 | malex | How do I prevent Konqueror/kdeprint from splitting images into several pages? Thanks. |
| 00:15.15 | Flimzy | gravity: John Goerzen |
| 00:15.15 | vorbisfreak | anyone have a guide for adding unstable/non-free repos to sarge? |
| 00:15.18 | gravity | Ah |
| 00:15.27 | Flimzy | LightVision, He would once he tried something at it didn't work. |
| 00:15.38 | SquarePants | vineet: example please? thanks |
| 00:15.39 | thingfish | vorbisfreak: it's very easy. |
| 00:15.40 | gravity | There's a new Debian Bible out. I'm not sure if he contributed to it. |
| 00:15.41 | Flimzy | gravity: Just dropped him an e-mail, in fact... 'bout doing lunch later |
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| 00:15.54 | Flimzy | gravity: I don't know if he helped with the recent one(s) or not. |
| 00:16.05 | LightVision | Flimzy: lol |
| 00:16.07 | vineet | SquarePants: locate file | egrep '\bfile\b' |
| 00:16.16 | Flimzy | But I still stand by my story.... dead trees are outdated far too soon to be of any use. |
| 00:16.20 | vagabund | take a flight to her - hihi |
| 00:16.23 | Flimzy | The only dead trees I buy are programming references |
| 00:16.26 | LightVision | Flimzy: so you dont believe any current linux books are worth the paper its written on? |
| 00:16.33 | Flimzy | Programming languages usually last a while longer than linux releases. |
| 00:16.39 | gravity | I still use some of my books. UNIX Power Tools for instance. |
| 00:16.46 | Flimzy | LightVision: Even if they're current now, they won't be in 2 weeks. |
| 00:16.46 | gravity | K&R |
| 00:17.08 | LightVision | Flimzy: but isnt the foundation the same always? |
| 00:17.10 | Flimzy | LightVision: Heck, a lot of online documentation is outdated. |
| 00:17.19 | kPan1c | vorbisfreak, sources.list - append the following and you got them all main non-free contrib |
| 00:17.21 | LightVision | Flimzy: cant a newbie learn the foundation from books? |
| 00:17.35 | Flimzy | LightVision: Many of the basics are the same. But many of the examples given in 'newbie' books will change quickl |
| 00:17.40 | gravity | LightVision: You can, although it depends on what you mean by "foundation" |
| 00:17.41 | LightVision | Flimzy: ok |
| 00:17.47 | Flimzy | LightVision: For instance... a book written 5 years ago would have told how to compile KDE |
| 00:17.50 | LightVision | gravity: i mean foundation |
| 00:17.52 | gravity | LightVision: The command line stuff you can definitely learn from old books |
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| 00:17.55 | Flimzy | LightVision: That's something that almost nobody does any more |
| 00:17.58 | mik3 | is qtparted ported to debian? |
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| 00:18.01 | gravity | LightVision: If you want to learn Gnome, you're already outdated |
| 00:18.02 | LightVision | gravity: thats what I mean |
| 00:18.10 | Flimzy | LightVision: A book written 7 years ago would have told you to compile your own kernel... something you rarely need to do |
| 00:18.11 | LightVision | gravity: i use kde |
| 00:18.14 | gravity | LightVision: It depends on what you mean by foundation. Different people mean different things. |
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| 00:18.17 | gravity | LightVision: Whatever. |
| 00:18.19 | gravity | It was an example |
| 00:18.24 | LightVision | gravity: ok |
| 00:18.26 | Flimzy | LightVision: A book 2 years old would tell you how to configure XFree86 3.2... which is completely obsolete now. |
| 00:18.28 | mik3 | is qtparted ported to debian? |
| 00:18.29 | LightVision | i understand |
| 00:18.30 | gravity | For a lot of people, their GUI is the foundation. |
| 00:18.37 | LightVision | Flimzy: i understand |
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| 00:18.45 | cheal | !tuxracer |
| 00:18.45 | dpkg | methinks tuxracer is an openGL game that lets you control Tux as you race down snow-covered mountains. If you're running woody, apt-get install tuxracer, or go to tuxracer.sourceforge.net, or does not compile (or run) on a potato boxen. if your keys don't work, try enabling sawfish->customize->focus->give focus to windows even when they haven't asked for it |
| 00:18.49 | cheal | dpkg: no, tuxracer is an old game in Woody which PlanetPenguin Racer is based on. A transition package in Sarge. ask me about ppracer |
| 00:18.49 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 00:19.04 | Flimzy | LightVision: A book 5 years old would tell you "Linux doesn't support USB yet... but it will soon!" |
| 00:19.12 | Flimzy | LightVision: By now, Linux supports USB very well |
| 00:19.13 | mik3 | anyone here want to suggest a good partition/file system/hard drive management application? |
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| 00:19.19 | LightVision | Flimzy: yeah |
| 00:19.36 | cheal | mik3: it's packaged in Debian |
| 00:19.38 | vagabund | dancing with tears in my eyes - |
| 00:19.39 | Flimzy | mik3: You want to manage partitions, file systems, and hard drives? |
| 00:19.44 | abrotman | vagabund: stop! |
| 00:19.48 | LightVision | Flimzy: but I read linux for dummies and learned basic cli, that was a good start for me |
| 00:19.55 | Flimzy | mik3: I usually use (c)fdisk and mkfs and fsck |
| 00:20.00 | kPan1c | mik3, cfdisk |
| 00:20.04 | LightVision | Flimzy: basic cli hasnt changed , has it? |
| 00:20.04 | vagabund | abrotman: save! |
| 00:20.12 | Flimzy | LightVision: Okay. But Most people don't consider CLI "basic" any more. |
| 00:20.18 | gravity | Sadly true |
| 00:20.18 | LightVision | Flimzy: ok |
| 00:20.18 | abrotman | vagabund: do not paste what you're listening to .. or random lyrics in here .. please |
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| 00:20.25 | Flimzy | LightVision: Many of the _principals_ are the same. But most of the specifics have changed. |
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| 00:20.37 | Flimzy | LightVision: For instance, even a year or two ago, most books would have said to use ext2 |
| 00:20.43 | Flimzy | LightVision: Now days, most ppl should probably use ext3 |
| 00:20.48 | mik3 | kPan1c : i have another ext3 hard drive full of music i want to mount, will cfdisk help me with this? |
| 00:20.49 | LightVision | Flimzy: yeah |
| 00:21.08 | Flimzy | mik3: No. But mount will. |
| 00:21.13 | LightVision | Flimzy: btw, do you recommend using seifers instead of ext3? |
| 00:21.21 | vagabund | ok abrodman! |
| 00:21.23 | mik3 | Flimzy : on ignore, go troll somewhere else. |
| 00:21.39 | LightVision | mik3: who is a troll? |
| 00:21.40 | Flimzy | LightVision: I use ext3 mostly... I also use JFS on my MythTV box |
| 00:21.44 | Flimzy | mik3: Who's trolling? |
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| 00:21.46 | mik3 | LightVision : Flimzy |
| 00:21.50 | kPan1c | mik3, yep Flimzy is right, someone may have a better way i just run fdisk -l see where it is and mount from thre |
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| 00:21.52 | host` | what line should I add in for debian sarge in sources.list? |
| 00:22.00 | dotCOMmie | mik3: grow up d: |
| 00:22.04 | LightVision | mik3: define troll |
| 00:22.05 | Flimzy | mik3: I'm sorry, but I'm not trolling. |
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| 00:22.11 | abrotman | gravity: i've decided Ortiz is not a man |
| 00:22.18 | gravity | Hahahahaha |
| 00:22.19 | mik3 | LightVision : also on ignore, thanks |
| 00:22.21 | Flimzy | mik3: Unless "Giving the correct answer" is considered trolling |
| 00:22.26 | gravity | abrotman: Is he a she? |
| 00:22.35 | abrotman | gravity: it's the fourth inning .. already has two homers tonight |
| 00:22.40 | LightVision | mik3: lol |
| 00:22.40 | Flimzy | I love it when people TELL you they're ignoring you... usually means they're not actually doing it |
| 00:22.43 | Flimzy | but they just want to piss you off |
| 00:22.45 | gravity | Oh nice! |
| 00:22.50 | LightVision | !hug mik3 |
| 00:22.54 | gravity | I was wondering if he was still pulling huge this season |
| 00:22.57 | LightVision | I think mik3 needs a hug |
| 00:22.58 | gravity | papi! |
| 00:23.07 | Flimzy | !hug mik3 for trolling |
| 00:23.14 | abrotman | gravity: if he weren't a DH .. he'd be AL MVP |
| 00:23.21 | LightVision | Flimzy: hehe |
| 00:23.28 | gravity | abrotman: Can he even field? |
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| 00:23.35 | gravity | I've never seen it |
| 00:23.38 | LightVision | Flimzy: for the record, I didnt think yu were trolling, contrrary, being helpful |
| 00:23.40 | mik3 | kPan1c : will when i install the other hard drive how will i have it mount automaticly on boot, edit /etc/fstab? |
| 00:23.44 | abrotman | gravity: he plays 1B .. so .. kind of :) |
| 00:23.47 | gravity | hehe |
| 00:23.50 | Flimzy | LightVision, Yeah, I know. mik3 is just being dim |
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| 00:24.52 | shimano55 | Question, How can I tell the OS to run a certain terminal command automatically on boot? |
| 00:25.00 | Flimzy | mik3: You would normally use amd (auto-mount daemon) or something similar |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | gravity: on the flip side .. in the third inning .. gary sheffield(for the yanks) already has 5RBIs |
| 00:25.11 | Flimzy | mik3: Assuming you aren't _actually_ ignoring my trolls |
| 00:25.24 | gravity | abrotman: I don't like Sheffield. The whole bat waving thing bugs the fuck out of me. |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | gravity: he's not the only one |
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| 00:25.38 | abrotman | gravity: there are others that do it |
| 00:25.49 | abrotman | gravity: tomorrow i get to see if i got ALDS tix! :) |
| 00:25.56 | gravity | abrotman: Good luck! :-) |
| 00:26.01 | gravity | You're gonna need it |
| 00:26.11 | Flimzy_not_troll | mik3: You would normally use amd (auto-mount daemon) or something similar |
| 00:26.15 | abrotman | gravity: i found out .. that if you don't get picked for ALDS .. you automagically get entered for ALCS .. then for WS |
| 00:26.25 | gravity | Flimzy: /ignore him back |
| 00:26.32 | Flimzy | gravity: Nah |
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| 00:26.34 | gravity | abrotman: Oh nice |
| 00:26.40 | Flimzy | gravity: I'd rather answer his question so he goes away :P |
| 00:27.03 | shimano55 | ?????? |
| 00:27.05 | mik3 | anyone know what debian will set this other hard drive to for me to add it in /etc/fstab before i shut down -> install -> reboot or does debian make random /dev/whatever addresses? |
| 00:27.19 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 00:27.25 | abrotman | less confusing is more betterer |
| 00:27.33 | Flimzy | mik3: probably /dev/sdXX |
| 00:27.44 | dvs | mik3: Debian does not make a /dev/whatever. You have to know what that is beforehand. |
| 00:28.00 | Flimzy | dvs, Not true |
| 00:28.05 | Flimzy | dvs, (usually) |
| 00:28.09 | mik3 | dvs: so what determines the mounting address |
| 00:28.11 | kPan1c | mik3, fdisk -l will show you where it is in /dev/ also don't need to reboot to test fstab |
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| 00:28.33 | mik3 | kPan1c : ok thanks, but i need to reboot to patch the other hd in => |
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| 00:28.43 | dvs | Flimzy: What do you mean not true? Don't I have to know what the /dev/whatever entry is before I add it to my /etc/fstab? |
| 00:28.45 | shimano55 | Does anyone sweet? |
| 00:28.53 | Flimzy | dvs: well, sorta |
| 00:28.55 | abrotman | gravity: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=250920130 .. check the notes at the bottom |
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| 00:29.04 | Flimzy | dvs: Debian _will_ create the /dev entry automatically when the device is plugged in |
| 00:29.05 | Capkirk | is it possible to upgrade from woody to sarge with apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade or should one use apitude like dpkg says? |
| 00:29.17 | abrotman | !tell Capkirk about woody->sarge |
| 00:29.23 | dvs | Flimzy: yeah, and that's what you have to put into fstab. |
| 00:29.27 | Flimzy | dvs: But you generally want to know where it will be created, so you can add that to fstab |
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| 00:29.41 | Flimzy | Capkirk: It's probably possible |
| 00:29.51 | Capkirk | abrotman: ive allready read it its just that ive never used aptitude when upgrading and im more familiar with the other way |
| 00:29.53 | Flimzy | Capkirk: Some things will likely break in the process... so just be prepared. |
| 00:30.09 | abrotman | Capkirk: what kind of machine ? |
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| 00:30.17 | Capkirk | Flimzy: IBM x345 server |
| 00:30.19 | abrotman | server ... workstatin ? |
| 00:30.24 | gravity | Maaaannnnnyyyyy |
| 00:30.25 | Flimzy | Capkirk, That's lovely. |
| 00:30.28 | abrotman | gravity: hehe |
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| 00:30.29 | Flimzy | Capkirk, But irrelevant. |
| 00:30.33 | shimano55 | hello? |
| 00:30.35 | abrotman | Flimzy: not really |
| 00:30.38 | shimano55 | is it impossible? |
| 00:30.44 | error403 | is there a way for a clean remove using apt - i.e. it gets rid of config files? |
| 00:30.52 | Capkirk | Flimzy: sorry abrotman asked :) |
| 00:30.53 | Flimzy | abrotman, Are there hardware specific problems with woody upgrades? |
| 00:30.57 | abrotman | Flimzy: part of the reason to use aptitude (from my understanding ) is that apt-get can't handle all the packages for upgrades |
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| 00:31.19 | Capkirk | abrotman: ok i will use the other way then |
| 00:31.22 | Flimzy | abrotman: So how does that relate to the machine model? |
| 00:31.22 | abrotman | Capkirk: try it .. worst thing that happens .. you have to do it more than once :) .. now remember .. it's apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade .. |
| 00:31.27 | bcc | is it possible to mount the same device twice? |
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| 00:31.37 | abrotman | Flimzy: read my question to him .. don't be a prick |
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| 00:31.46 | asuffield | bcc: not any more. use bind mounts |
| 00:31.53 | asuffield | it was never a good idea anyway |
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| 00:32.07 | Flimzy | abrotman: Okay... I still don't see the relevance. But I won't worry about it... I suspect he's in good hands with you. |
| 00:32.20 | bcc | asuffield: thanks |
| 00:32.25 | LightVision | Flimzy: :) |
| 00:32.29 | abrotman | Flimzy: see my other comment about number of packages .. a server tends to have fewer packages installed than a desktop .. doesn't it ? |
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| 00:32.43 | abrotman | Flimzy: does it all make sense now ? |
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| 00:32.51 | Flimzy | abrotman: I'd still rather upgrade it 'properly' regardless of the # of packages I have :) |
| 00:33.01 | error403 | is there a way for a clean remove using apt - i.e. it gets rid of config files? |
| 00:33.02 | kPan1c | wouldnt that be your choice? my desktop doesnt have anything on it |
| 00:33.10 | Flimzy | error403: dpkg --purge |
| 00:33.15 | abrotman | Flimzy: i didn't use aptitude .. all my servers updated fine (except the alpha which forgot to upgrade bind) |
| 00:33.41 | Flimzy | abrotman, I see |
| 00:33.48 | abrotman | Flimzy: maybe i'm just lucky! :) |
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| 00:34.02 | sn00p | anybody know why X doesn't use 1/4 of my screen on the left side vertically, I have vmware installed and i login to windows it uses the full screen anybody know why? |
| 00:34.07 | Flimzy | abrotman: I don't think I've ever upgraded from woody... if I did, it was so long ago that I don't remember, and it was to an unstable/testing anyway |
| 00:34.10 | macks | i haven't seen updates the last couple days in aptitude (sid), have there been none? |
| 00:34.16 | Flimzy | abrotman, So problems would have been expected... and immemorable |
| 00:34.24 | abrotman | Flimzy: yeah .. perhaps |
| 00:34.37 | shimano55 | ????????? |
| 00:34.50 | error403 | Flimzy, that return to defaults or remove? because it didnt touch them... |
| 00:35.02 | SquarePants | anybody: i have a textfile with directories, and i want to ls each one of them... will 'ls | grep dirfile' work? |
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| 00:35.10 | gravity | sn00p: Your monitor settings are off. Run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to re-set them |
| 00:35.12 | LightVision | so you have to defrag ext3? |
| 00:35.17 | gravity | LightVision: No. |
| 00:35.33 | LightVision | gravity: thats great! another good reason why I tossed XP |
| 00:35.34 | kPan1c | SquarePants, ls -R |
| 00:35.36 | LightVision | :) |
| 00:35.40 | gravity | heh |
| 00:35.47 | LightVision | i actually tossed away my XP :P |
| 00:35.53 | shimano55 | anybody? |
| 00:35.55 | shimano55 | hello> |
| 00:36.00 | LightVision | just in case I ever had to urge to install that rubbish again |
| 00:36.06 | shimano55 | Question, How can I tell the OS to run a certain terminal command automatically on boot? |
| 00:36.23 | abrotman | shimano55: /etc/init.d/README |
| 00:36.33 | abrotman | or use @reboot in crontabs |
| 00:36.37 | host` | question: what repository should I use for Debian Sarge 3.1? |
| 00:36.44 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 00:36.46 | gravity | shimano55: Can you be more specific? Do you need it for all users or just one user? Or you need it to run whenever you boot, even if no one logs in? |
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| 00:37.09 | shimano55 | gravity: I want it to run whenever I boot |
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| 00:37.14 | abrotman | !tell mik3 about root |
| 00:37.29 | gravity | shimano55: Do one of the things that abrotman suggested |
| 00:37.37 | abrotman | and then get me a beer! |
| 00:37.46 | gravity | hehe |
| 00:37.47 | kPan1c | nice |
| 00:37.48 | error403 | !beer abrotman |
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| 00:37.57 | mik3 | =/ |
| 00:37.57 | abrotman | dude! .. nothing like a hometown beer! |
| 00:37.58 | me_here | shimano55: make a script, add it to be sourced in from /etc/init.d/ within a wished runlevel from rc.* in /etc |
| 00:38.22 | vagabund | take LightVision in his arms - |
| 00:38.41 | abrotman | vagabund: are you trying to get a date with LightVision ? |
| 00:38.59 | dvs | vagabund: The proper response is.... |
| 00:39.02 | dvs | !beer LightVision |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | Yuengling!!! |
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| 00:39.37 | LightVision | dvs: thanks but I dont drink alcohol! a nice glass of grape juice would be nice however ;) |
| 00:39.49 | host` | nice the first one I chose connects at 329KB |
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| 00:39.49 | mik3 | ok now that i have this second ext3 hard drive installed how do i find the mounting point so i can add it to /etc/fstab so it mounts automatic on boot? |
| 00:40.00 | dvs | LightVision: What? Then go with vagabund! ;-) |
| 00:40.09 | shimano55 | gravity, abrotman, me_here: ok, this looks like script and all....all I want to do is have it mount a drive |
| 00:40.18 | abrotman | jjazz: apparently you're missing a good game :) |
| 00:40.30 | shimano55 | something like mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/mntpoint |
| 00:40.32 | jjazz | abrotman, I just got home. What's the score? |
| 00:40.35 | caphuso | mik3: you choose the mount point yourself |
| 00:40.36 | gravity | shimano55: Create a script to do it. Stick it in /etc/init.d. Create the requisite symlink. |
| 00:40.39 | LightVision | dvs: heeh ;) |
| 00:40.45 | abrotman | jjazz: 9-3 |
| 00:40.51 | kPan1c | shimano55, do it in fstab |
| 00:40.53 | abrotman | jjazz: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=250920110 |
| 00:40.56 | mik3 | caphuso : right, sorry, i mean the /dev/whatever name, what's that called? |
| 00:41.00 | dvs | shimano55: That's what /etc/fstab is for! |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | jjazz: of course .. the redsox score looks better :) |
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| 00:41.22 | jjazz | abrotman, Awesome. Thsi is going to come down to those last 3 games. :) |
| 00:41.34 | sn00p | how do I get rid so X doesn't startup automatically? |
| 00:41.40 | aiyaiyairc | whats the console command to get the MAC address? |
| 00:41.44 | caphuso | mik3: well, you already know that, since you had to partition the drive and create the filesystem on it |
| 00:41.46 | abrotman | jjazz: i think it was all rigged :) |
| 00:41.52 | dvs | !nodm |
| 00:41.52 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 00:41.56 | kPan1c | sn00p, update-rc.d |
| 00:41.56 | abrotman | jjazz: it could actually end in a tie |
| 00:41.58 | me_here | shimano55: you normally need only an entry in /etc/fstab in order to mount a drive ?? or what do you want to try ? |
| 00:41.59 | caphuso | aiyaiyairc: ifconfig |
| 00:42.03 | themusicgod1 | How can I assemble MASM code, outside of hypothetically getting MSML/MASM working on WINE/CrossoverOffice/whatever? |
| 00:42.04 | mik3 | caphuso : =/ that was a long time ago and i'm relatively new to linux |
| 00:42.17 | mik3 | and i used qtparted |
| 00:42.26 | aiyaiyairc | caphuso >> ty! |
| 00:42.28 | jjazz | I have an mbox on a web server. It contains a mailing list archive. I'm looking for a perl CGI that will let people browse and search that archive in some sort of threaded manner via the web server. Any suggestions? Thanks. |
| 00:42.30 | sn00p | kpanlc: wheres that file |
| 00:42.44 | jjazz | abrotman, One-game playoff! That would be way cool. |
| 00:42.48 | kPan1c | sn00p, its a command |
| 00:42.50 | caphuso | mik3: check /var/log/dmesg |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | jjazz: so sad for you though :) |
| 00:43.10 | themusicgod1 | Even converting MASM to TASM or something, then converting it to AT&T assembly then assembling would be acceptable so long as it works |
| 00:43.25 | kPan1c | mik3, do you not want to run fdisk -l or is it not showing you where in dev it is |
| 00:43.29 | mik3 | caphuso : that doesn't show anything that looks familiar |
| 00:43.30 | themusicgod1 | I've been looking for the past two days and google is bringing up nothing that worFks |
| 00:43.32 | Azar | is debian Sarge installer coming with vi editor? |
| 00:43.38 | sn00p | kpanlc: what do I do delete it |
| 00:43.46 | Ronin | Azar: yes |
| 00:43.47 | dvs | Azar: Yeah. |
| 00:43.54 | Azar | :) thank you! |
| 00:43.56 | jjazz | abrotman, I believe the Yanks won the last one, so at least we have momentum. |
| 00:43.59 | mik3 | fdisk -l doesn't show either kPan1c |
| 00:44.10 | kPan1c | sn00p, whats your login manager? if its kdm it would be update-rc.d -f kdm remove |
| 00:44.46 | abrotman | jjazz: yes .. but we have .. Edgar Renteria .. the league leader in Errors!!!!!! |
| 00:44.46 | fisious | hello. what app is there to see what file is being downloaded thru http from ones server? |
| 00:44.50 | gadzook | Probably an easy one...I just switched to a 2.6.8 kernel and all the /dev/sda devices are gone. How do I get them back? |
| 00:44.51 | gravity | hahaha |
| 00:44.52 | fisious | debian/sarge |
| 00:45.01 | abrotman | jjazz: he's soooo worth 4million/year or whatever he's paid |
| 00:45.04 | abrotman | maybe it's 8mil |
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| 00:45.14 | caphuso | mik3: do you know where the drive is plugged into your motherboard, i.e. what controller etc.? |
| 00:45.22 | dvs | gadzook: Are all the /dev/hd* devices there? |
| 00:45.30 | gadzook | yes, all /dev/hd* are there. |
| 00:45.47 | mik3 | caphuso unfortunately no |
| 00:46.04 | abrotman | yes .. he's 8mil |
| 00:46.06 | abrotman | what a waste |
| 00:46.07 | gadzook | I'm not sure if it's using devfs or udev or whatever, they don't seem to be in the process list |
| 00:46.10 | kPan1c | mik3, does it show in cfdisk? |
| 00:46.12 | dvs | gadzook: Then try MAKEDEV sda in the /dev directory |
| 00:46.14 | dvs | as root |
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| 00:46.30 | mik3 | kPan1c : no |
| 00:46.30 | jjazz | abrotman, Is he really leading the league in errors? Damn. And Sox fans kept tellng me he was so much better than Jeter. so sad. |
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| 00:46.43 | gadzook | I don't need to know the major or minor numbers? |
| 00:46.43 | abrotman | jjazz: let me double check |
| 00:46.44 | caphuso | mik3: do you at least know if it's IDE or SCSI or SATA or ...? |
| 00:46.51 | dvs | gadzook: no |
| 00:46.58 | mik3 | IDE |
| 00:46.58 | gadzook | ok, trying |
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| 00:47.30 | caphuso | mik3: then it's one of /dev/hd[a-g] |
| 00:47.41 | caphuso | run fdisk or cfdisk on those until you find it |
| 00:47.54 | dvs | or fdisk -l |
| 00:48.10 | abrotman | jjazz: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=9&season=2005&seasonType=2&split=82&sortColumn=errors .. the entire MLB for SS anyways |
| 00:48.21 | mik3 | The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 1027. |
| 00:48.21 | mik3 | There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, |
| 00:48.25 | mik3 | that's for /dev/hdb |
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| 00:48.53 | emRick | how can I get the mouse position from the command line? |
| 00:48.54 | jjazz | abrotman, that's pretty sad. For Edgah. |
| 00:49.00 | gadzook | Yeah, that worked. I guess I didn't know about MAKEDEV before. Thanks dvs! |
| 00:49.08 | Azar | I have a friend that just installed debian sarge (dual boot with windows), he said he cannot get a connection, 192.168.x.x. looks like a dhcp to me what might be the problem? |
| 00:49.18 | dvs | (phew!) No problem |
| 00:49.25 | vagabund | hm shes gone |
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| 00:49.33 | _dishwasher | hi! I need some quick help from someone familiar with software raid on debian. I'm pulling my hair out trying to get it installed on 14 Dell 1425SC machines... got the os installed, did an `apt-get install mdadm`, then did a `sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb` to get the partition info over, but when I try to `mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/sdb1` I get the dreaded error, "mdadm: error opening /dev/md0: No such device or |
| 00:49.34 | gravity | Azar: He might not have a driver for his network card installed |
| 00:49.37 | _dishwasher | " |
| 00:49.43 | abrotman | jjazz: yes .. well .. i wasn't happy when they picked him up anyways |
| 00:49.57 | Azar | gravity, how could he fix this without a connection? |
| 00:49.58 | abrotman | jjazz: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?seasonType=2&type=reg&sort=avg&minpa=0&split=0&season=2005&pos=ss&hand=a&league=al&ageMin=17&ageMax=51 |
| 00:50.10 | gravity | Azar: Does he have Debian already installed? |
| 00:50.15 | Azar | yes |
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| 00:50.49 | Azar | I am talking for him because he left windows to try to configure /etc/network/interfaces on it |
| 00:50.59 | gravity | Azar: He can run lspci and tell you what card he has. You can then google for him and find out the kernel module he needs. He can then run lsmod to see if it's installed. |
| 00:51.07 | gravity | Teamwork! |
| 00:51.16 | Azar | thank you gravity :) |
| 00:51.19 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.20 | _dishwasher | Ugh. |
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| 00:51.25 | _dishwasher | Was that too much to write too quickly? |
| 00:51.31 | gravity | Azar: Alternately, if he's got it installed, you want to read man interfaces and make sure his stuff is properly configured |
| 00:51.35 | _dishwasher | I'm wiped out from a one-man installfest that's sucking. |
| 00:51.40 | _dishwasher | ;-) |
| 00:51.43 | mik3 | VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev ide0(3,64). |
| 00:51.43 | mik3 | VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev ide0(3,64). |
| 00:51.54 | abrotman | i thought mdadm was deprecated ? |
| 00:51.58 | vagabund | I guess she was fourteen - what a mess |
| 00:51.59 | ericP | how do i find out which dist name correspond to "testing"? (teach me to fish) |
| 00:52.02 | abrotman | for 2.6 anyways |
| 00:52.04 | Azar | gravity, yes, first thing I told him to verify and configure /etc/network/interfaces for dhcp |
| 00:52.11 | gravity | Ok |
| 00:52.14 | Ronin | ericP: www.debian.org |
| 00:52.25 | _dishwasher | It might be. |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | !release |
| 00:52.27 | dpkg | Sarge has been released (2005-06-06). Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <woody->sarge>. |
| 00:52.30 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:52.31 | abrotman | !releases |
| 00:52.32 | _dishwasher | I was using http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 |
| 00:52.41 | abrotman | ok .. fine |
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| 00:52.47 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 00:52.48 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 00:52.52 | abrotman | it used to be there! |
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| 00:53.01 | litage | i've added the a0/a0poster size to latex (lcavwww.epfl.ch/~ridolfi/personal/linuxstuff/latex.html) and am able to print a0 PDFs. however, when i try to use pdfnup to combine the pages into a single a0, it combines them into a single a4. any suggestions? i've tried giving --paper "a0", "a0poster" |
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| 00:53.25 | mik3 | is it possible that this other hard drive is labeled as /dev/hda5 and it is conflicting with my swap partition which is also /dev/hda5 |
| 00:54.09 | me_here | sn00p: it sound like some config in your windows emulator is not correct, rather than settings for your Xserver |
| 00:54.11 | abrotman | dmesg may tell you |
| 00:54.17 | _dishwasher | does anyone have any info on that software raid replication? |
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| 00:54.23 | magyar | i keep getting this error when using synaptic: W: GPG error: ftp://debian.csail.mit.edu unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED |
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| 00:54.38 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 00:54.39 | dpkg | apt secure is probably in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 00:54.41 | ericP | Ronin, <http://www.debian.org/releases/> [[ The current “testing†distribution is etch. ]] -- tx |
| 00:54.41 | _dishwasher | I really would appreciate some help. ;-) Really, a lot. ;-) |
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| 00:54.59 | abrotman | Ronin: etch is testing!! |
| 00:55.20 | Ronin | yes i know |
| 00:55.23 | abrotman | Ronin: etch is testing!! |
| 00:55.27 | Ronin | heh |
| 00:55.29 | Ronin | apparently |
| 00:55.29 | vagabund | LightVision: makes stars in my eyes - but i dont know why - |
| 00:55.48 | abrotman | gravity: please kill ... how many favors have i asked .. just this once ... |
| 00:55.54 | ericP | http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/ has neiter etch nor testing. is there yet another name? |
| 00:56.00 | lunaphyte | i remember find a write up on putting grub on both drives of a software raid1 setup (so the system could boot from either), but for the life of me, i now can't find it. could someone share a link they might have? |
| 00:56.05 | cheal | !topicsmite ericP |
| 00:56.06 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ericP. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:56.07 | lunaphyte | *finding |
| 00:56.16 | abrotman | vagabund: this is not a dating channel .. leave lightvision alone |
| 00:56.20 | bcc | is there any reason not to install a kernel image 386, but use either k7 for amd of 686 the intel? |
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| 00:56.30 | bcc | of -> or |
| 00:56.31 | abrotman | bcc: yes |
| 00:56.34 | cheal | bcc: optimization? |
| 00:56.36 | Azar | ericP non-US is no more, use contrib non-free |
| 00:56.41 | gravity | abrotman: Who do I have to kill this time? |
| 00:56.44 | bcc | is it much faster? |
| 00:56.50 | ericP | Azar, thanks kindly |
| 00:56.50 | abrotman | gravity: see me last comment |
| 00:56.53 | abrotman | my |
| 00:57.08 | vagabund | yea abrotman join c++ |
| 00:57.20 | abrotman | see |
| 00:57.24 | gravity | hehe |
| 00:57.32 | mik3 | is it possible that this other hard drive is labeled as /dev/hda5 and it is conflicting with my swap partition which is also /dev/hda5 |
| 00:57.35 | abrotman | but it's been going on for a good long while |
| 00:58.28 | dvs | mik3: The other hard drive can't be hda |
| 00:58.30 | kPan1c | mik3, shouldnt assign something swap is using |
| 00:59.15 | mik3 | this drive was assigned that before debian was even installed |
| 00:59.23 | mik3 | i can't figure out why this hard drive won't mount =/ |
| 00:59.28 | mik3 | i have a lot of data on it i need |
| 00:59.36 | brett | hey is there a way to get dselect to show what repository a package comes from? |
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| 01:00.10 | abrotman | asg: ! |
| 01:00.18 | kPan1c | dselect who havent used that in years |
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| 01:00.21 | vagabund | shes away - |
| 01:00.23 | gravity | brett: You can use apt-cache policy to show you |
| 01:00.26 | abrotman | see! |
| 01:00.26 | vagabund | hehe |
| 01:00.27 | gravity | brett: Not sure about dselect though |
| 01:00.35 | brett | ahh ok |
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| 01:00.48 | brett | kPan1c: I have dselect muscle memory |
| 01:00.50 | mik3 | kPan1c : i installed testdisk |
| 01:00.51 | mik3 | Disk /dev/hda - CHS 620 255 63 - 4863 MB, sector size=512 |
| 01:00.51 | mik3 | Disk /dev/hdb - CHS 1027 255 63 - 8056 MB, sector size=512 |
| 01:00.56 | me_here | mik3: did you activate raid modules or lvm or evms ?? |
| 01:01.00 | mik3 | the second one is definately the one |
| 01:01.23 | kPan1c | brett, i usually just do a dpkg -l |grep pacakge and check versions |
| 01:01.28 | abrotman | gravity: quickly .. now while he's gone! |
| 01:01.30 | mik3 | however i did mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb /store and it didn't work |
| 01:01.53 | dvs | mik3: /dev/hdb isn't a partition |
| 01:01.54 | kPan1c | mik3, errors? |
| 01:01.54 | wouterl | i have deleted /etc/mysql/debian-starter by accident, i couldn't get it back with apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server-4.1, could someone help me with that? |
| 01:02.11 | abrotman | !missconf |
| 01:02.13 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 01:02.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 01:02.15 | mik3 | so how do i mount this properly |
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| 01:02.17 | gravity | abrotman: vagabund? I didn't realize he was harassing anyone until just now... |
| 01:02.19 | gravity | I should have |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | wouterl: maybe .. |
| 01:02.23 | brett | kPan1c: I have 'experimental' in my sources.list, so I just wanted to make sure I don't install something from there by accident |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | gravity: hehe .. bad op! |
| 01:02.30 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:02.31 | gravity | No shit |
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| 01:02.36 | lunaphyte | how can i make both drives in a RAID1 setup bootable (grub)? |
| 01:02.39 | gravity | Busy fixing X :-p |
| 01:02.45 | abrotman | it's broken? |
| 01:02.50 | gravity | Sorta kinda not really |
| 01:02.58 | gravity | The usual |
| 01:03.06 | kPan1c | brett, experimental huh, didnt know that exsisted may have to try that myself |
| 01:03.12 | abrotman | wouterl: make sense? |
| 01:03.27 | dvs | mik3: fdisk -l /dev/hdb should list the partitions on the drive |
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| 01:03.43 | wouterl | i was trying --force-confmiss |
| 01:03.44 | leOn | i'm loosing my mind here ... although i've set XkbLayout to "pt" in xorg.conf i don't get to have dead keys working, but if i issue setxkbmap pt everything works fine |
| 01:03.45 | wouterl | sorry |
| 01:03.47 | leOn | any ideas? |
| 01:03.49 | abrotman | wouterl: didn't work ? |
| 01:03.53 | wouterl | nope |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | it really should |
| 01:04.13 | abrotman | wouterl: you tried it with dpkg . not apt-get . right ? |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | !find mysql/debian-starter |
| 01:04.23 | abrotman | !find mysql/debian-starter sarge |
| 01:04.25 | wouterl | sorry |
| 01:04.31 | wouterl | apt-get ... |
| 01:04.47 | mik3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.47 | abrotman | it's an optin to dpkg ..not apt-get |
| 01:04.54 | _dishwasher | ak, nobody has done ze software raid? |
| 01:04.54 | mik3 | ./dev/hdb1 * 1 1026 8241313+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 01:04.58 | _dishwasher | I am z-screwed. |
| 01:05.02 | mik3 | that's not right i had it set to ext3 |
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| 01:05.08 | abrotman | _dishwasher: many have |
| 01:05.14 | abrotman | not myself .. but many |
| 01:05.16 | theeil | how do i configure sound stuff? /dev/dsp: no such device |
| 01:05.18 | _dishwasher | lol. |
| 01:05.21 | Azar | le0n, xorg is still a new for debian are you running sarge, testing or sid? |
| 01:05.38 | leOn | Azar: sid |
| 01:05.44 | _dishwasher | well, I've always been smart enough to pay for 3ware hw raid cards, but I'm stuck here at a "client" site, meaning someone who can't make good decisions. |
| 01:05.45 | _dishwasher | ;-) |
| 01:05.53 | Azar | le0n ah, I see |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | _dishwasher: obviously .. they bought dell :) |
| 01:06.01 | _dishwasher | it is ze retarded |
| 01:06.03 | _dishwasher | No shit. |
| 01:06.05 | _dishwasher | ;-) |
| 01:06.18 | _dishwasher | Thiey bought low end dells. |
| 01:06.19 | _dishwasher | lol |
| 01:06.20 | _dishwasher | worse |
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| 01:06.26 | gravity | leOn: What package version are you running? -7? |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | dpkg: find debian-starter sarge |
| 01:06.36 | leOn | gravity: xorg package? |
| 01:06.40 | gravity | leOn: Yes |
| 01:06.41 | abrotman | dpkg: dead? |
| 01:06.41 | dpkg | yes :( |
| 01:06.58 | mik3 | I don't know why this other hard drive is saying it's NTFS, i formatted it on ubuntu and set it as an ext3 and have been removing/adding data to it when it was mounted and i was running ubuntu, why would it say it's NTFS and how can i grab the data? |
| 01:07.01 | _dishwasher | well, I appreciate everyone's looking. I'll come back and ask in a bit if I can't figure it out in an hour... |
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| 01:07.14 | leOn | gravity: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 |
| 01:07.15 | abrotman | _dishwasher: you forgot to tell us which kernel |
| 01:07.17 | dvs | mik3: It's not the hard drive you think it is. |
| 01:07.22 | Azar | mik3, this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 01:07.23 | maher | mik3: the disk id label is independent of the file system - try moutning it |
| 01:07.24 | gravity | leOn: Ok. Could you file a bug report about it using reportbug? |
| 01:07.25 | abrotman | wouterl: that file isn't in sarge |
| 01:07.32 | mik3 | Azar : you think? |
| 01:07.38 | leOn | gravity: sure |
| 01:07.42 | gravity | leOn: Thanks. |
| 01:07.48 | theeil | sound help anyone? |
| 01:08.07 | mik3 | maher : how do i mount it? i did mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb /store , is that correct? |
| 01:08.16 | brett | kPan1c: it's the only way to get open office 2.0! |
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| 01:08.37 | _dishwasher | ah crap. |
| 01:08.39 | maher | mik3: did you format the bare drive or did you make some partitions onit? |
| 01:08.57 | dvs | mik3: No, that's not correct. |
| 01:09.23 | _dishwasher | 2.4.31 |
| 01:09.23 | wouterl | abrotman, it is in sarge, see: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=mysql-server-4.1&version=stable&arch=powerpc |
| 01:09.25 | _dishwasher | sorry, I had to look it up. |
| 01:09.26 | kPan1c | brett, know if enlightenment DR17 is there |
| 01:09.32 | _dishwasher | that's the latest, non? |
| 01:09.53 | abrotman | wouterl: ah ..debian-start is different than debian-starter :) |
| 01:10.14 | abrotman | wouterl: did you get it ? |
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| 01:10.18 | wouterl | nope |
| 01:10.26 | wouterl | dunno why |
| 01:10.30 | ma3x | how do you remove all folders in ftp? |
| 01:10.32 | ma3x | rm -rf * ? |
| 01:10.35 | ma3x | it doesnt work |
| 01:10.39 | mik3 | maher : well i did it with qtparted on ubuntu, i'm guessing it didn't format the bare drive |
| 01:10.42 | astronut | does in ncftp |
| 01:10.42 | _dishwasher | sorry, I should show the whole output of uname -a non? |
| 01:10.42 | _dishwasher | Linux debian 2.4.31-bf2.4 #1 SMP Wed Jun 1 15:42:39 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:10.51 | abrotman | wouterl: so .. dpkg -i --force-missconf blah.deb ? |
| 01:11.10 | maher | mik3: well use hdbN where N is the number of the partition you wish to mount |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | _dishwasher: where the hell did you get that installer image ? |
| 01:11.18 | wouterl | missconf or confmiss? |
| 01:11.31 | Azar | looks like a woody |
| 01:11.34 | abrotman | confmiss |
| 01:11.47 | gravity | That's bizarre... |
| 01:11.51 | ma3x | anyone using lftp? |
| 01:12.01 | abrotman | gravity: you just saw the olsen twins ? |
| 01:12.06 | mik3 | maher: i don't know what N is and i don't know the syntax to mount it |
| 01:12.23 | gravity | abrotman: That's not bizarre. That's freakish. |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | gravity: now manny has two homers! :) |
| 01:12.27 | gravity | Like that kernel version |
| 01:12.30 | gravity | Woooo |
| 01:12.35 | gravity | Manny rocks |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | i vote for Big Papi! |
| 01:12.44 | maher | mik3: try fdisk -l /dev/hdb or cat /proc/partitions |
| 01:13.18 | _dishwasher | it's the dell installer image |
| 01:13.24 | wouterl | seems to reinstall now, waiting ... |
| 01:13.25 | _dishwasher | the one done by victor up at ols |
| 01:13.31 | _dishwasher | in portland... |
| 01:13.33 | abrotman | say what? |
| 01:13.36 | gravity | "victor"? |
| 01:13.39 | _dishwasher | Hold, I'll get url |
| 01:13.42 | wouterl | wonderfull, thank you abrotman !! |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | _dishwasher: why didn't you use the sarge installer ? |
| 01:13.44 | _dishwasher | vincent |
| 01:13.45 | _dishwasher | ? |
| 01:13.47 | abrotman | wouterl: got it ? |
| 01:13.49 | _dishwasher | doesn't work. |
| 01:13.51 | abrotman | !dell |
| 01:13.51 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
| 01:13.53 | wouterl | yup |
| 01:13.53 | gravity | Neither rings a bell |
| 01:13.55 | wouterl | thanks |
| 01:14.00 | mik3 | maher: thank you VERY Much =) |
| 01:14.04 | abrotman | wouterl: woot! |
| 01:14.06 | _dishwasher | http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ is the installer I used. |
| 01:14.12 | _dishwasher | Then I did an apt-get update |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | _dishwasher: why? |
| 01:14.19 | _dishwasher | and apt-get -u update-dist |
| 01:14.24 | _dishwasher | why? |
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| 01:14.33 | abrotman | because .. it's uhm .. weird ? |
| 01:14.35 | liable | update-dist? |
| 01:14.37 | _dishwasher | sorry, why did I update, or why did I use that installer? |
| 01:14.44 | maher | mik3: go and buy a copy of running debian by welsh et al and read it |
| 01:14.44 | abrotman | why did you use that installer :) |
| 01:14.54 | _dishwasher | I thought it was the only way... |
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| 01:14.58 | abrotman | maher: you made $3! :) |
| 01:15.01 | _dishwasher | A straight installer fails to find the disk. |
| 01:15.04 | abrotman | _dishwasher: did you try a sarge installer ? |
| 01:15.06 | _dishwasher | I've tried latest... |
| 01:15.06 | mik3 | maher : i have an oreilly book Debian GNU/Linux but i think it's semi-old |
| 01:15.07 | _dishwasher | yea |
| 01:15.09 | abrotman | _dishwasher: with both 2.4 and 2.6 ? |
| 01:15.15 | _dishwasher | not sure. |
| 01:15.17 | maher | abrotman: ? |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | mik3: that book is like .. 1999 i think |
| 01:15.25 | _dishwasher | I got the latest iso off the ftp server... |
| 01:15.28 | abrotman | maher: it was a joke .. sorry |
| 01:15.29 | _dishwasher | burned it and used that |
| 01:15.32 | _dishwasher | wasn't sure which kernel... |
| 01:15.36 | bcc | is there a way to back out of pivot_root? |
| 01:15.37 | maher | abrotman: don't they have a new edition? |
| 01:15.44 | abrotman | maher: not that i've seen |
| 01:15.57 | _dishwasher | I'm totally open to suggestions here. Making the transition from Gentoo. |
| 01:16.07 | _dishwasher | I really like Debian, and want to use it on this project |
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| 01:16.10 | _dishwasher | ;-) |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | maher: not at linux.oreilly.com |
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| 01:16.34 | scarynetworkguy | !tell _dishwasher about enter. |
| 01:16.40 | ma3x | how do i remove dir1, dir2, dir3, dir4 in ftp directory? |
| 01:16.50 | scarynetworkguy | _dishwasher: There's your first suggestion. :) |
| 01:16.55 | _dishwasher | hrm. |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | _dishwasher: i'd really be trying the sarge installer .. 2.4 and 2.6 .. though .. i'm guessing it's a CERC controller ? |
| 01:17.19 | stumbles | ma3x: rm dir* maybe? |
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| 01:17.31 | _dishwasher | Yea, one of the software devices. |
| 01:17.32 | stumbles | ma3x: rm -r dir* |
| 01:17.36 | _dishwasher | Same as the 420SC desktop |
| 01:17.55 | mik3 | bmp can use winamp themes right? |
| 01:18.07 | ma3x | stumbles, didn't work with lftp, let me try normal ftp |
| 01:18.36 | ma3x | stumbles, no way |
| 01:18.39 | _dishwasher | Not sure I understand the 'enter' reference. Don't find much on google ('debian enter'), so I'll blunder: eh? what is it? |
| 01:18.40 | _dishwasher | ;-) |
| 01:18.45 | maher | _dishwasher: do you know if there is support for the chipset? |
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| 01:19.00 | werw | How can i add directories where the programs look for .so files? |
| 01:19.04 | abrotman | _dishwasher: you will at least need 2.6 iirc .. those CERC controllers suck .. donkey nuts |
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| 01:19.13 | abrotman | !cerc |
| 01:19.13 | dpkg | it has been said that cerc is see perc |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | !perc |
| 01:19.16 | dpkg | methinks perc is See 'perc3 iso' |
| 01:19.22 | dvs | ha!~ |
| 01:19.23 | _dishwasher | I know it doesn't work with any image I've downloaded (I've tried 3-4 today) |
| 01:19.24 | maher | mik3: the debian reference is probably better: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 01:19.30 | Gathond | werw: /etc/ld.so.conf , then rerun ldconfig as root |
| 01:19.50 | maher | _dishwasher: do we get to know what the chipset is? |
| 01:20.01 | stumbles | ma3x: glob command toggles filename expansion |
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| 01:20.09 | _dishwasher | what command do I need to run? sorry, retarded |
| 01:20.14 | stumbles | ma3x: then use mdelete with a wildcard |
| 01:20.38 | stumbles | ma3x: man ftp /mdelete |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | _dishwasher: to do what ? |
| 01:20.47 | abrotman | _dishwasher: lspci |
| 01:21.00 | abrotman | i thought that was a prereq for running gentoo :) |
| 01:21.02 | _dishwasher | here comes... |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | not here! |
| 01:21.08 | abrotman | !flood |
| 01:21.09 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 01:21.19 | _dishwasher | I've been sitting in this chair for about 18 hours trying to get this to work ;-) |
| 01:21.20 | _dishwasher | debian:/boot# lspci |
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| 01:21.29 | abrotman | heeheh |
| 01:21.56 | stumbles | is this a good way to start a secure remote gnome-session? |
| 01:21.57 | stumbles | Xnest :1 -ac; DISPLAY=:1; ssh -X hostname gnome-session |
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| 01:22.03 | nono31 | is there a way to tell to my system: when you see this usb device connected, you do nothing: no module load, nothing... ??? |
| 01:22.05 | secher | I just installed gift, giFTcurs, giftd et. al. I ran the gift-setup then started giftd and giFTcurs. My searches are turning up 0 and the stats box is showing 0 users online etc. any ideas what I'm doing wrong, or what I've missed? |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | _dishwasher: you can't pastehere :) |
| 01:22.11 | _dishwasher | sorry |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:22.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 01:22.12 | _dishwasher | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | _dishwasher: sarge installer should work |
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| 01:22.36 | _dishwasher | really? |
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| 01:22.43 | abrotman | yes .. but linux26 at the prompt |
| 01:22.50 | zaikxtox | hello. i have a problem with some process... it simply refuses to die |
| 01:22.53 | zaikxtox | 10581 ? D 0:00 dosbox -conf /home/analia/juegos_dos/stunts/dosbox.co |
| 01:22.53 | zaikxtox | 10604 ? Dl 0:00 dosbox -conf /home/analia/juegos_dos/stunts/dosbox.co |
| 01:22.53 | zaikxtox | 10620 ? Dl 0:00 dosbox -conf /home/analia/juegos_dos/stunts/dosbox.co |
| 01:22.53 | zaikxtox | 10629 ? Dl 0:00 dosbox -conf /home/analia/juegos_dos/stunts/dosbox.co |
| 01:22.53 | zaikxtox | 10645 ? Dl 0:00 dosbox -conf /home/analia/juegos_dos/stunts/dosbox.co |
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| 01:23.03 | _dishwasher | is this the install image: debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
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| 01:23.04 | _dishwasher | ? |
| 01:23.18 | secher | I just installed gift, giFTcurs, giftd et. al. I ran the gift-setup then started giftd and giFTcurs. My searches are turning up 0 and the stats box is showing 0 users online etc. any ideas what I'm doing wrong, or what I've missed? |
| 01:23.35 | _dishwasher | <-- feeling thankful for abrotman's help. |
| 01:23.37 | zaikxtox | well... i was saying .. i try kill -s 9 against that processes and don't die |
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| 01:24.00 | abrotman | what the fuck was that ? |
| 01:24.13 | abrotman | _dishwasher: jsut give it a whirl |
| 01:24.13 | _dishwasher | what? |
| 01:24.17 | _dishwasher | I did. |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | !d-i _dishwasher |
| 01:24.21 | dpkg | _dishwasher, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:24.41 | _dishwasher | crap, I'm not trying to piss anyone off here... |
| 01:24.42 | _dishwasher | sorry |
| 01:24.53 | Gathond | zaikxtox: yes, that D in the status field is uninterruptible sleep, meaning they wait for something (most likely IO) |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | _dishwasher: no .. it wasn't directed at you |
| 01:25.11 | _dishwasher | but I tried installing using that cd image (same as on the page you just sent), and had 0 luck |
| 01:25.15 | _dishwasher | can't fnid the drive... |
| 01:25.16 | abrotman | _dishwasher: you're fine ;) |
| 01:25.18 | _dishwasher | ah. |
| 01:25.26 | _dishwasher | thanks. |
| 01:25.26 | abrotman | _dishwasher: and you tried the linux26 image ? |
| 01:25.27 | leOn | gravity: bugreport filed |
| 01:25.30 | Gathond | zaikxtox: they cant be killed until they leave that state, which will only happen it the IO event happens, basically this boils down to, reboot (or ignore them) |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 01:25.42 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 01:25.44 | gravity | leOn: Thanks. Hopefully our resident xkb expert will fix it... |
| 01:25.46 | _dishwasher | hrm. |
| 01:25.47 | _dishwasher | not sure. |
| 01:25.51 | gravity | leOn: Actually, I have a hunch... one second... |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | gravity: you? |
| 01:25.51 | _dishwasher | let me see what I have here. ;-) |
| 01:25.54 | zaikxtox | Gathond: yes... but in the meanwhile they block that devices! |
| 01:26.01 | leOn | gravity: k |
| 01:26.03 | zaikxtox | Gathond: i have to reboot!? |
| 01:26.06 | Gathond | zaikxtox: reboot then |
| 01:26.12 | gravity | abrotman: No, that's Denis |
| 01:26.13 | abrotman | zaikxtox: so reboot .. you won't cry |
| 01:26.16 | zaikxtox | Gathond: tham. this happens often |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | gravity: denny's? |
| 01:26.33 | _dishwasher | nope. |
| 01:26.35 | _dishwasher | I'm a retard. |
| 01:26.39 | _dishwasher | Should have tried that. |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | _dishwasher: just give it a whirl |
| 01:26.46 | _dishwasher | I do have the image from this pag e(http://blog.blackdown.de/2005/06/26/debian-installer-with-kernel-2611/) |
| 01:26.46 | Gathond | zaikxtox: if it happens often I would suspect hardware errors with some device |
| 01:26.49 | zaikxtox | what a damn bad thing... :( |
| 01:26.49 | _dishwasher | Is there a better one out there? |
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| 01:27.07 | abrotman | _dishwasher: the one that dpkg pointed you at |
| 01:27.10 | gravity | leOn: Can you check if your input devices is set to "Keyboard" or "keyboard"? The lower-case is correct, but there's a bug where the upper-case is set by default. |
| 01:27.13 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Rebooting makes baby jesus cry... |
| 01:27.36 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: good .. little fucker deserves it .. look what a fucked up world he made .. god damn christians kill everything |
| 01:27.45 | Gathond | zaikxtox: of if you use NFS it probably happens if the contact to the server is lost |
| 01:27.57 | steve44 | abrotman: ROFLMAO |
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| 01:28.18 | abrotman | yay .. bots start again! |
| 01:28.22 | ma3x | stumbles, thanks a lot! |
| 01:28.24 | _dishwasher | ah, so it's on there, I just need to boot with the expert26 option? |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | _dishwasher: linux26 |
| 01:28.32 | steve44 | abrotman: ok I'm charging you for the beer you just made me spit out! :) |
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| 01:28.37 | _dishwasher | forgive the ignorance, I really am asking some stupid questions I know... |
| 01:28.39 | abrotman | hehe .. |
| 01:28.42 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:28.42 | dpkg | ig is probably for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | _dishwasher: too bad you spent 18 hours :) |
| 01:28.58 | leOn | gravity: InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" |
| 01:29.00 | mikkael | How do I load balance two DSL linux using Linux? Can somebody point me to a how-to? I've been googling for an hour but didn't find useful how-to yet. |
| 01:29.03 | error403 | is there any particular reason why my exim4 server keeps saying it doesnt have a user to deliver to? |
| 01:29.04 | _dishwasher | yea, captain retard. |
| 01:29.09 | leOn | gravity: that one? |
| 01:29.09 | scarynetworkguy | _dishwasher: Why not read the install guide and then come back with some smart questions? |
| 01:29.13 | abrotman | _dishwasher: it happens sometimes |
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| 01:29.21 | _dishwasher | because that would make sense. |
| 01:29.21 | gravity | leOn: The driver for it |
| 01:29.24 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you didn't even laugh! |
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| 01:29.30 | _dishwasher | god's sake, how many users have you supported? |
| 01:29.33 | _dishwasher | ;p-) |
| 01:29.34 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I laughed inside. |
| 01:29.36 | abrotman | _dishwasher: who? |
| 01:29.40 | secher | _dish: don't worry, there are people here that are *more* than happy to let you know when you're within a mile or ten of the "annoying questioner" line. |
| 01:29.41 | leOn | gravity: lowercase |
| 01:29.45 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: not good enough ! .. pee your pants! |
| 01:29.49 | _dishwasher | no, that was a joke about reading the docs... |
| 01:29.51 | leOn | gravity: Driver "keyboard" |
| 01:29.53 | Azar | gravity, if the connection issue will not be fixed, maybe a woody install would sound better then a sarge upgrade? |
| 01:29.59 | gravity | leOn: Ok. Different bug. Oh well. Hopefully Denis will know. |
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| 01:30.06 | gravity | leOn: If not, I'll try and have a look. |
| 01:30.15 | gravity | Azar: Maybe. |
| 01:30.15 | leOn | gravity: thanks =) |
| 01:30.17 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Hehe. |
| 01:30.30 | leOn | gravity: one other thing that looked wrong to me |
| 01:30.30 | abrotman | fake! |
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| 01:31.42 | abrotman | ack .. don left! |
| 01:32.05 | secher | gahh.. does anyone use giFT anymore? |
| 01:32.13 | abrotman | secher: #gift? |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | where's greycat when you need him |
| 01:32.21 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You made him sad. |
| 01:32.31 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: because of jesus ? |
| 01:32.43 | secher | abrotman: thanks for stating the obvious. |
| 01:32.48 | Azar | right, where is greycat, long time did not see him around |
| 01:32.55 | abrotman | secher: you weren't already there ? |
| 01:33.08 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yes. |
| 01:33.25 | secher | abrotman: no, I forgot it existed, it's been so long since I've used gift. |
| 01:33.32 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 01:33.37 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it's ok .. he'll get over it |
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| 01:33.53 | abrotman | that looks promising |
| 01:34.16 | leOn | gravity: i couldn't make it right either issuing setxkbmap in ~/.gnomerc or ~/.xsession |
| 01:34.26 | gravity | leOn: Very odd |
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| 01:34.51 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I heard he's going to kill you. |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | that was anticlimactic |
| 01:35.02 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: he's mounting forces now! |
| 01:35.11 | leOn | gravity: tell me something .. in can i want to use ~/.Xkbmap which file should i get to put there? |
| 01:35.20 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I lent him the ninjas. |
| 01:35.25 | gravity | leOn: Huh? |
| 01:35.30 | abrotman | NIN_JA! |
| 01:35.53 | themusicgod1 | *is* it possible to assemble a MASM program on linux? |
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| 01:36.08 | leOn | gravity: /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession checks for ~/.Xkbmap to load the keymap |
| 01:36.11 | error403 | could anybody here help me with configuring my mail server? whenever i try to do 'mail' i get 'mail: /home/dtnet/Maildir: Is a directory' |
| 01:36.14 | spphreak | hello all |
| 01:36.22 | leOn | or at least that's what i understood |
| 01:37.01 | _dishwasher | one more quick question |
| 01:37.02 | gravity | leOn: Ok. I don't honestly know the answer. I have no experience with that. |
| 01:37.09 | _dishwasher | ok, I found nick's stuff. |
| 01:37.10 | _dishwasher | http://linux.dell.com/files/debian/preload.txt |
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| 01:37.30 | spphreak | Does anyone know anything about creating a custom pxe image? |
| 01:37.31 | leOn | gravity: you know where are the files holding the maps? |
| 01:37.44 | _dishwasher | But I don't understand what he means by installing with the 5th cd. |
| 01:37.47 | _dishwasher | How is that possible? |
| 01:37.54 | gravity | leOn: /etc/X11 |
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| 01:38.43 | abrotman | _dishwasher: old instructions for woody |
| 01:39.03 | _dishwasher | crap |
| 01:39.10 | abrotman | _dishwasher: linux26 !! |
| 01:39.14 | _dishwasher | I'm there... |
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| 01:40.56 | error403 | is there a way to get exim4 to deliver mail to /var/mail ? |
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| 01:41.58 | mik3 | HEH debian seems almost too perfect |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | error403: instead of ? |
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| 01:42.32 | gozz | a |
| 01:42.35 | error403 | abrotman, well, i dont know - thats the problem... |
| 01:42.42 | error403 | hmmm |
| 01:42.47 | error403 | abrotman, give me a min.... |
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| 01:45.06 | mik3 | are the repositories that came in /etc/sources.list from the installation ok or should i update them and if so where can i get a good list |
| 01:45.25 | bob2 | the defaults are fine |
| 01:45.30 | dvs | mik3: How do we know what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:45.51 | mik3 | dvs: because i just basicly made it blatently clear that i'm using the ones from the original installation |
| 01:45.55 | mik3 | thanks bob |
| 01:46.06 | error403 | abrotman, it seems to be going to mail_spool |
| 01:46.19 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone know where the 'i686' in the output of 'uname -a' comes from in the .config? or in the sources? I'd like to predict what uanem -a will say in my script that installs the kernel...but I can't use uname -a until the kernel is installed... |
| 01:46.39 | error403 | abrotman, so, /var/mail/spool i think |
| 01:47.15 | abrotman | ack! |
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| 01:47.23 | abrotman | error403: seems right to me |
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| 01:47.39 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: /proc/version ? |
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| 01:48.22 | abrotman | nope |
| 01:48.25 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: No, I can't use a running kernel. I have to use the .config or the sources. I'm *guessing* what the soon-to-be installed kernel will output in "uname -a" |
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| 01:48.43 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: the config should have it |
| 01:48.57 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: look at the config once. It's not as simple as you think. |
| 01:49.34 | mik3 | is it possible to set up file sharing between a windows machine and linux? |
| 01:49.34 | error403 | abrotman, so how does it get from /var/mail/spool to /var/mail/<user> usually then? |
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| 01:49.47 | Guerin | !possible |
| 01:49.48 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
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| 01:49.58 | kPan1c | mik3, samba |
| 01:50.03 | maher | error403: it should be going to /var/spool/mail which is a symlink to /var/mail |
| 01:50.22 | abrotman | $ cat config-2.6.8-2-686 | grep CONFIG_M | grep -v \# | grep =y |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: gives a start for you |
| 01:50.39 | mik3 | kPan1c : thank you again, sir |
| 01:50.43 | abrotman | error403: one is incoming .. one outgoing |
| 01:51.02 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: No, it doesn't. |
| 01:51.19 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: mine is CONFIG_M686 |
| 01:51.24 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: mine is CONFIG_M686=y |
| 01:51.28 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I'm using a pentiumM. |
| 01:51.37 | sgeigerbot | "grep CONFIG_M .config | grep -v \# | grep =y | grep 686" gives me nothing. |
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| 01:51.50 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: yet "uname -a" gives me i686 |
| 01:51.59 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: leave off the 686 |
| 01:52.05 | error403 | ok, thanks maher, i understand a little better now.. |
| 01:52.19 | error403 | i have local delivery working fine... |
| 01:52.19 | SerajewelKS | amarok refuses to connect to my mysql server.. or mysql refuses the connection. "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client." |
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| 01:52.53 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: http://www.ncee.net/shane/ver.txt |
| 01:53.14 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: PENTIUMM |
| 01:53.25 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: The info is there...but how would you get it out. I don't like it... |
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| 01:53.29 | abrotman | as in .. pentium-m |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i'm not sure i know another way .. |
| 01:53.52 | pakal | I have an Intel 82845G/GL on xorg but glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering' send me: |
| 01:53.54 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: You might as well compile a list of all the architectures and grep for each of them. |
| 01:54.02 | abrotman | hehe .. that works ! |
| 01:54.04 | pakal | direct rendering: No |
| 01:54.05 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I guess tha t would work. :-) |
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| 01:54.07 | abrotman | ack! |
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| 01:54.40 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: there has to be a better way |
| 01:55.00 | vick | Where to download the source code of apt-get ? |
| 01:55.04 | pakal | Need I something from kernel 2.6?? |
| 01:55.16 | Philmore | does anyone know how to install kernel |
| 01:55.17 | cheal | pakal: what video driver does X use? |
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| 01:55.28 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: might ahve a winner |
| 01:55.29 | bob2 | vick: packages.debian.org/apt |
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| 01:55.41 | cheal | Philmore: which one? |
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| 01:56.03 | pakal | cheal: i810 |
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| 01:56.42 | cheal | pakal: ah...do you know what's the graphics card? |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: $ strings vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 | grep "2\." | head -11 |
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| 01:56.52 | error403 | abrotman, is 'relay not permitted' a config issue, or is that my ISP blocking it? |
| 01:57.02 | SerajewelKS | are amarok and juk not supported, or is my timing really bad? 'cause this is the fourth time this week i've been asking about it. |
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| 01:57.14 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: err .. -1 .. not -11 |
| 01:57.22 | pakal | cheal: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device |
| 01:57.22 | cheal | both are supported. debian-supported |
| 01:57.31 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: yeah... |
| 01:57.38 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: better? |
| 01:57.43 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: kde just ain't that popular among the regulars |
| 01:57.48 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: try asking on the debian-kde list |
| 01:57.55 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: your reward is being held in escrow until this information is verified. |
| 01:57.58 | SerajewelKS | been in #debian-kde |
| 01:58.03 | abrotman | !escrow me |
| 01:58.10 | SerajewelKS | everyone thinks i'm a girl and is trying to cyber :< |
| 01:58.20 | ryan_ | what packages do i need to install to use grub? |
| 01:58.20 | error403 | abrotman, is 'relay not permitted' a config issue, or is that my ISP blocking it? |
| 01:58.26 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: the list, not the channel |
| 01:58.32 | mik3 | oh i thought you were jewish and that's why i wanted to cyber you, sorry |
| 01:58.32 | abrotman | error403: could be .. i don't work with exim .. |
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| 01:58.37 | error403 | ah |
| 01:58.38 | error403 | i see |
| 01:58.45 | cheal | SerajewelKS: aka voluntarily supported |
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| 01:59.54 | abrotman | error403: where is the error ? |
| 01:59.56 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: mine doesn't output "686" |
| 02:00.06 | SerajewelKS | so basically i'm screwed then. yay. |
| 02:00.15 | error403 | abrotman, hang on a sec, THIS error is another config issue... |
| 02:00.16 | error403 | lol |
| 02:00.21 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: In fact, nowhere in the kernel is that number. |
| 02:00.31 | EdLin | !lol |
| 02:00.39 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: You found everything that leads up to the "i686" portion of the uname -a output |
| 02:00.47 | ryan_ | I'm trying to switch to grub from lilo, but apt-get install grub doesn't make a menu.lst |
| 02:01.01 | EdLin | oops |
| 02:01.24 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: maybe a trip to #kernel might be in order |
| 02:01.26 | error403 | abrotman, i looked at my logs, my mail server was actively rejecting it |
| 02:01.32 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: sure. |
| 02:01.51 | abrotman | error403: from your email client ? |
| 02:01.53 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: er? |
| 02:01.57 | maher | error403: is this mail youare sending or receiving? |
| 02:01.59 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: did yo uactually ask on the list or not? |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | ryan-: mkdir /boot/grub/; update-grub; |
| 02:02.20 | SerajewelKS | bob2, never used a mailing list.. don't care to |
| 02:02.26 | SerajewelKS | if there's a forum i'll post there |
| 02:02.45 | bob2 | er, ok |
| 02:02.59 | bob2 | sabotaging yourself seems somewhat counter-productive |
| 02:03.10 | ryan_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:03.16 | sgeigerbot | ryan_: sudo apt-get install grub grubconf grub-spalshimages ; sudo grub-install /dev/hda ; sudo update-grub ; sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | ryan-: work? |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: syntax error |
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| 02:03.33 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: on what? |
| 02:03.37 | error403 | maher, sending from gmail to myself |
| 02:03.52 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.57 | maher | error403: do you have correct dns and mx records |
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| 02:04.08 | error403 | maher, 2005-09-21 03:02:35 H=zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.199] F=<alan.briolat@gmail.com> rejected RCPT <v8d@dtnet.kicks-ass.net>: relay not permitted |
| 02:04.16 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: grub-splashimages - a collection of great GRUB splashimages |
| 02:04.30 | error403 | maher, that is from the exim4 logs... so everything it getting to the server |
| 02:04.32 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Don't use grub without it. (tm) |
| 02:04.58 | maher | error403: do you have correct dns and mx records, and did you tell exim to receive mail for your domain? |
| 02:05.17 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: see what you typed .. |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | all i said was syntax error .. |
| 02:05.27 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: If I had eyes, I might. |
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| 02:05.39 | abrotman | you read/write very well |
| 02:05.40 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ok. thansk |
| 02:05.46 | Dan | hi, I'm trying to install a vanilla kernel 2.6.13 and after everything I can't get mkinitrd to create a file... the temp dir is there and full but no img gets created. can anyone help? New to debian. |
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| 02:05.56 | error403 | maher, wouldnt i be right in saying that if it gets rejected AT the server, the MX record must have been right to get it there? |
| 02:06.10 | bob2 | Dan: it's way easier to just not use an initrd if you're buildign your own kernel |
| 02:06.44 | Dan | my ide is a module only option in the kernel, I know of no other way for the kernel to mount root |
| 02:07.01 | bob2 | wtf |
| 02:07.07 | bob2 | what ide driver? |
| 02:07.16 | Dan | promise202xx |
| 02:07.22 | bob2 | yay |
| 02:07.24 | maher | error403: probably |
| 02:07.26 | Dan | hehe |
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| 02:07.44 | Dan | I would love to not use initrd :) |
| 02:08.31 | error403 | maher, do i need the domain in relay_domains for it to recieve? |
| 02:08.33 | pabloso_scorphus | hi all |
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| 02:08.37 | Dan | any known issue? any way I can create the img with the temp dir? |
| 02:09.07 | cheal | pakal: anything about setting DRI acceleration failed in X logs? |
| 02:09.21 | _dishwasher | ok, quick question |
| 02:09.30 | _dishwasher | so, I want to create an expert26 raid partition out of / |
| 02:09.51 | _dishwasher | but it won't let me mount a software raid device as a mountpoint |
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| 02:10.05 | bob2 | Dan: just using kernel-package would be simpler |
| 02:10.07 | _dishwasher | How do you get around this/ |
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| 02:10.09 | bob2 | with the --initrd option |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | i thought / wasn't supposed to be sw raid ... ? |
| 02:10.22 | maher | error403: afaik yes |
| 02:10.25 | _dishwasher | ah |
| 02:10.35 | abrotman | _dishwasher: i'm just guessing .. i don't use sw raid |
| 02:10.39 | peterpan | leave |
| 02:10.44 | error403 | maher, that'll be the problem then... |
| 02:10.48 | Dan | bob2: I would but I need to use rtai which patches vanilla only |
| 02:10.49 | peterpan | \leave |
| 02:10.59 | rixth | Hi, could someone please check SSH on my machine? It's running on port 443 at 60.234.142.58 I need to know if I have forwared the port correctly before I leave |
| 02:11.06 | bob2 | Dan: m-k works with vanilla sources |
| 02:11.11 | error403 | maher, does it automatically put mail for user@domain.com into /var/mail/user ? |
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| 02:11.13 | _dishwasher | Do you know whethere you install and then mount it later to some point, like /home? |
| 02:11.14 | Capkirk | trying to boot computer with debian i get to LI and nothing else i want to know if its possible to resuce installation useing the debian installer cd? |
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| 02:11.26 | moya | what command / package give me a random hard passwd ? |
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| 02:11.36 | maher | error403: probably - it checks /etc/aliases at least |
| 02:12.03 | abrotman | !li |
| 02:12.03 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 02:12.04 | Dan | bob2: ok, wasn't aware of that. I'll do it. thanx :) |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | _dishwasher: what is it ? |
| 02:12.38 | rixth | Command: ssh 60.234.142.58 -p 443 |
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| 02:13.08 | pabloso_scorphus | mmm... |
| 02:13.40 | abrotman | related to debian .. how? |
| 02:14.10 | Capkirk | which one is the debian rescue cd? |
| 02:14.15 | _dishwasher | it is the raid device |
| 02:14.18 | _dishwasher | sorry, had to interprit |
| 02:14.33 | maher | moya: pwgen -s |
| 02:14.35 | rilat | any tool to recovery ext2 scsi hdd |
| 02:14.38 | rilat | ? |
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| 02:15.16 | rilat | ext3, sorry (and hi, first of all) |
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| 02:15.18 | sgeigerbot | rilat: be specific. the filesystem, you mean? |
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| 02:16.09 | error403 | maher, how do you get rid of frozen messages? |
| 02:16.09 | maher | rixth: it works |
| 02:16.26 | rilat | sgeigerbot to be specific: fdisk shows nothing... and there was the swap partition and the root partition (ext3) at least... |
| 02:16.30 | rixth | maher, thank you! |
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| 02:17.00 | _dishwasher | hrm |
| 02:17.32 | sgeigerbot | rilat: So, the term for what you want help with is called "partition recovery" |
| 02:17.51 | rilat | sgeigerbot: thanks for the info |
| 02:17.51 | sgeigerbot | rilat: I think gpart is an option. |
| 02:18.09 | sgeigerbot | rilat: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition-Rescue/index.html <- may be oka |
| 02:18.10 | maher | error403: umm... there's a bunch of things you can do... http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Exim.shtml |
| 02:18.19 | sgeigerbot | rilat: testdisk may be helpful. |
| 02:18.31 | sgeigerbot | rilat: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Applications/Q_20819820.html <- that might help |
| 02:18.36 | rilat | sgeigerbot aha... thanks again! I'm going to that URL immediately... thanks again.... |
| 02:18.42 | sgeigerbot | rilat: and http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/3174/7/ |
| 02:18.51 | sgeigerbot | rilat: I haven't needed to learn that well. |
| 02:19.04 | rilat | sgeigerbot :-) |
| 02:19.33 | rilat | I'll be back to tell you the results: THANKS |
| 02:19.55 | vick | is there like dpkg and apt-get executable ? |
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| 02:21.30 | abrotman | _dishwasher: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition .. scroll down a bit .. section about sw raid |
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| 02:23.50 | mernil | greetings fellow friends of free software :) |
| 02:23.58 | abrotman | what! |
| 02:24.06 | abrotman | i paid for debian .. $299!! |
| 02:24.22 | mernil | abrotman: free, as in freedom ;P |
| 02:24.31 | abrotman | i got screwed |
| 02:24.35 | mernil | :) |
| 02:25.01 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Maybe he is not talking about money. Maybe he's talking about free as in "going commando." |
| 02:25.25 | sgeigerbot | Can someone give me ideas as to why on boot and immediately after "Setting up ICE socket directory" I get "Give root password for maintenance"? (That is, apparently just before INIT wants to leave runlevel 1.) I've tried fsck-ing the parition. This is a freshly compiled kernel. I've tried (without success) to reproduce this error with one of the other kernels I have on this machine. That tells me there's something that I app |
| 02:25.25 | sgeigerbot | raently forgot to compile into this kernel. |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | "NTSB wants cell phone ban for teen drivers" .. wait ... what about the morons who drive in the left lane! |
| 02:25.50 | sgeigerbot | Perhaps a device? |
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| 02:28.52 | Cybo-Mobile | what do you edit in php.ini to get php working on apache2 debian? I just can't remember what, can't find it in the readme and so far google is of no help. |
| 02:29.34 | sgeigerbot | Cybo-Mobile: PHP is enabled (see http://www.php.net) with 'AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml' or See http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php or See http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.php or for windows see http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.windows.apache1.php or see http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.windows.apache2.php |
| 02:30.10 | Cybo-Mobile | sgeigerbot, ty |
| 02:30.23 | Cybo-Mobile | sgeigerbot, I will work on google skills |
| 02:30.26 | _dishwasher | ok, one more quick question... |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | Cybo-Mobile: did you check mods-avaiable ? |
| 02:30.33 | _dishwasher | I got the installer through using expert26 (thank you!),. |
| 02:30.37 | abrotman | no! |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | no more |
| 02:30.42 | abrotman | all done .. |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | you asked too many |
| 02:30.45 | sgeigerbot | Cybo-Mobile: I got that one from the #php channel or the #apache channel |
| 02:30.46 | abrotman | away! |
| 02:30.46 | _dishwasher | Now, I'm left wondering how to mount the swap... |
| 02:30.48 | _dishwasher | hehe |
| 02:30.48 | sgeigerbot | ...IIRC |
| 02:30.51 | _dishwasher | crap. |
| 02:30.58 | _dishwasher | lol. |
| 02:31.00 | _dishwasher | thanks abrotman. |
| 02:31.02 | abrotman | _dishwasher: did you leave a swap partition ? |
| 02:31.06 | _dishwasher | Yes. |
| 02:31.19 | sgeigerbot | _dishwasher: /dev/hda1 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 02:31.22 | _dishwasher | A /, swap, /var, /boot and "software raid" |
| 02:31.24 | Cybo-Mobile | abrotman, I did dpkg-reconfigure -plow apache, expecting it to list mods, but it did not. |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | _dishwasher: swapon -a |
| 02:31.44 | _dishwasher | ok. |
| 02:31.47 | abrotman | Cybo-Mobile: nah .. there's some .. other thing for that .. uhm .. let me look |
| 02:31.49 | _dishwasher | done, but nothing changes... |
| 02:31.50 | Cybo-Mobile | sgeigerbot, then I will work on my reading the topic skills? |
| 02:32.06 | abrotman | _dishwasher: free shows no swap ? |
| 02:32.21 | _dishwasher | it shows swap |
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| 02:33.02 | sgeigerbot | _dishwasher: to be clear: cat /proc/swaps |
| 02:33.07 | abrotman | cyberkni: a2-enmod |
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| 02:33.14 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i thought you were fixed ? |
| 02:33.24 | _dishwasher | yep. |
| 02:33.25 | abrotman | _dishwasher: so .. i'm confused .. you have swap .. |
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| 02:33.32 | _dishwasher | shows /dev/sda2 |
| 02:33.36 | _dishwasher | yaw |
| 02:33.39 | _dishwasher | but no raidling |
| 02:33.40 | rilat | sgeigerbot regarding "partition recovery" gpart looks nice: exactly what I need... let's see if I'm able to make it work... more info in a while... |
| 02:33.42 | abrotman | so .. you want swap ? |
| 02:33.49 | _dishwasher | no, the raid device I configured. |
| 02:33.55 | _dishwasher | It seems to have dissapeared. |
| 02:33.59 | abrotman | you wuoldn't really sw RAID swap .. i hope |
| 02:34.09 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: no, that was a different issue. Here's where I am now: |
| 02:34.11 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Can someone give me ideas as to why on boot and immediately after "Setting up ICE socket directory" I get "Give root password for maintenance"? (That is, apparently just before INIT wants to leave runlevel 1.) I've tried fsck-ing the parition. This is a freshly compiled kernel. I've tried (without success) to reproduce this error with one of the other kernels I have on this machine. That tells me there's something |
| 02:34.12 | sgeigerbot | that I appraently forgot to compile into this kernel. Perhaps a device? |
| 02:34.21 | _dishwasher | No, it's supposed to be /home, but you can only configure it as software raid device in the installer. |
| 02:34.26 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: oh .. nfc :) |
| 02:34.37 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Or if you meant "neutered"--well, that's probably greycat. |
| 02:35.04 | sgeigerbot | s/mut/met |
| 02:35.38 | _dishwasher | so now when I look at the output of `df -h` I see only the drives I physically partitioned. |
| 02:35.43 | abrotman | _dishwasher: i'm confused ... |
| 02:35.46 | _dishwasher | I are confused, and not finding docs on the subject. |
| 02:35.48 | _dishwasher | ok... |
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| 02:35.53 | sgeigerbot | _dishwasher: cat /proc/swaps |
| 02:35.54 | magyar | what , when did grey got neutered? |
| 02:36.01 | sgeigerbot | _dishwasher: that's more informative than "free" |
| 02:36.31 | sgeigerbot | _dishwasher: If you would be more specific, you would have your answer by now. |
| 02:36.43 | _dishwasher | hrm. |
| 02:36.54 | _dishwasher | won't let me post the output |
| 02:37.09 | sgeigerbot | _dishwasher: /join #flood and paste it there. |
| 02:37.26 | sgeigerbot | _dishwasher: ...and also explain again what you are trying to accomplish. |
| 02:37.26 | magyar | sgeigerbot: try riunning the hard drive utility program to see if there is any bad sectors |
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| 02:38.01 | sgeigerbot | ...ok, I guess he doesn't want help. I need to leave. I'm too tired. |
| 02:38.04 | ray_ | hey i installed kernel-headers and make is still complaining about kernel source |
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| 02:38.21 | cheal | ray_: kernel-headers aren't kernel source |
| 02:38.25 | abrotman | he'd also been at it for 18 hours |
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| 02:38.52 | ray_ | cheal, yes i know.....but how do i get source? |
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| 02:39.25 | cheal | source for Debian kernels are in kernel-source* or linux-source* packages |
| 02:39.42 | ray_ | cheal, already installed |
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| 02:40.08 | SlicerDicer- | will debian run on 32mb of ram? |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:40.15 | cheal | ray_: I have no clue about make or what you're trying to do |
| 02:40.20 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: what CPU ? |
| 02:40.27 | SlicerDicer- | 266mhz |
| 02:40.34 | Guerin | ray_: you need to tell make where they are. |
| 02:40.40 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: sounds fine! |
| 02:40.47 | abrotman | !d-i SlicerDicer- |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:40.49 | dpkg | SlicerDicer-, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:40.49 | dpkg | i guess ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 02:40.49 | SlicerDicer- | :) |
| 02:40.57 | ray_ | Guerin, what? |
| 02:40.58 | Guerin | kernel headers are all that's needed for building additional modules, though |
| 02:41.08 | Guerin | ray_: is english not your first language? |
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| 02:41.23 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, you advise woody and not the stable? |
| 02:41.27 | ray_ | Guerin, where what is? |
| 02:41.35 | Guerin | ray_: the kernel headers |
| 02:41.43 | Guerin | ray_: installing them isn't enough |
| 02:41.48 | ray_ | Guerin, yes i know...let me find headers |
| 02:41.57 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: no .. i have sarge on a 486 with 36MB :) |
| 02:42.15 | SlicerDicer- | hehe so it will run on it? |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | yes .. |
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| 02:42.26 | abrotman | wait . run what ? |
| 02:42.39 | SlicerDicer- | 32mb of ram and 266mhz cpu? |
| 02:42.40 | SlicerDicer- | sarge |
| 02:42.58 | Guerin | !ig SlicerDicer- |
| 02:43.04 | abrotman | no .. what are you doing with it? .. server? desktop ? thermonuclear war ? |
| 02:43.04 | ray_ | Guerin, /usr/src |
| 02:43.11 | _dishwasher | ok, so here's my problem: I'm looking to find out why the software raid device, which I configured in debian26 install, isn't showing up when I reboot. I'd like to mount it as /home, but I don't see the device. Anyone know how to mount it? |
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| 02:43.27 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, I just want to run fluxbox and maybe firefox and a few simple apps |
| 02:43.30 | Guerin | ray_: i bet they're not just in /usr/src |
| 02:43.33 | _dishwasher | It seems to have dissapeared. |
| 02:43.41 | mwilson | _dishwasher: "don't see the device". How did you look? |
| 02:43.49 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: seems fine then .. |
| 02:43.54 | SlicerDicer- | ok abrotman |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: of course .. more RAM is always better :) |
| 02:43.59 | _dishwasher | df -h |
| 02:44.00 | SlicerDicer- | now a bent question for ya |
| 02:44.05 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, unupgradable |
| 02:44.19 | ray_ | Guerin, well that and the apt folders |
| 02:44.42 | mwilson | _dishwasher: What does that have to do with looking for the array? |
| 02:44.43 | SlicerDicer- | is there a way to get a tarball of sarge? I cant really install it via livecd method :P |
| 02:44.45 | Guerin | ray_: you need to tell make EXACTLY WHERE THE HEADERS ARE |
| 02:44.53 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: soldering iron! |
| 02:45.00 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 02:45.00 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 02:45.00 | _dishwasher | Sorry, no experience w/software raid whatsoever.. What command should I run? |
| 02:45.00 | SlicerDicer- | lol abrotman |
| 02:45.03 | mwilson | SlicerDicer-: That's good, since Sarge doesn't have a "liveCD install method". |
| 02:45.05 | Guerin | ray_: you cna't just expect it to guess which of the several directories in /usr/src it is |
| 02:45.10 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, I have no floppy |
| 02:45.39 | chello | anyone can help me with my internet connection?I´m using dynamic ip,connect thru dsl.Everytime b4 i connect to the internet i have to type route del default at the terminal console,then my connection is stabilished.Where do i change the configurations so i can connect using only pon dsl-provider? |
| 02:45.40 | ray_ | Guerin, its IN THAT DIRECTORY /usr/src .......... boom headers are there I KNOW |
| 02:45.49 | _dishwasher | I see the device in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but have no idea how to mount it. |
| 02:46.01 | ray_ | Guerin, /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2/ |
| 02:46.01 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, I have no cd drive on that system and no way of doing that I am going to have to install it on the drive though this system but there is a catch! I am installing it on compact flash over usb lol |
| 02:46.13 | mwilson | _dishwasher: But is the array *running*? |
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| 02:46.17 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:46.17 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 02:46.23 | Guerin | ray_: HOW THE FUCK SHOULD MAKE KNOW TO LOOK IN kernel-headers-2.6.8-2/ IF YOU DON |
| 02:46.24 | kazzil | how do i stop NetSol's SiteFinder 2.0? |
| 02:46.28 | _dishwasher | yes... |
| 02:46.28 | Guerin | 'T TELL IT? |
| 02:46.34 | Guerin | quelle idiot |
| 02:46.39 | mwilson | _dishwasher: Really. How do you know that? |
| 02:46.41 | _dishwasher | if I do mdadm --detail /dev/md0, I see the output. |
| 02:46.49 | ray_ | Guerin, no thats the thing.....it does look there |
| 02:46.52 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: there are ... instructions somewhere for usb installing .. but it won't work if you can't boot off usb |
| 02:46.55 | SlicerDicer- | rofl abrotman I can get network working just no printer or punchcard reader :) |
| 02:46.58 | chello | anyone can help me with my internet connection?I´m using dynamic ip,connect thru dsl.Everytime b4 i connect to the internet i have to type route del default at the terminal console,then my connection is stabilished.Where do i change the configurations so i can connect using only pon dsl-provider? |
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| 02:47.02 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, I cannot boot off usb |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: so .. let me get this right .. |
| 02:47.11 | _dishwasher | and it says that the device is clean |
| 02:47.22 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, I told you it was bent |
| 02:47.28 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: you have no floppy .. no CD .. nonbootable USB .. ? |
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| 02:47.35 | ray_ | Guerin, how would i point make to that folder |
| 02:47.37 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: PXE capable NIC ? |
| 02:47.39 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, its a strange system |
| 02:47.41 | _dishwasher | I know I have to build a filesystem on it for /home, but I don't know how to do it. Tip? |
| 02:47.55 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: what is on the HDD now ? |
| 02:47.56 | SlicerDicer- | ethernet over usb so no booted ethernet till system is up and running :P |
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| 02:48.05 | necrite | hi all |
| 02:48.07 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, thats the funny part the built in harddrive is 16mb |
| 02:48.07 | mwilson | _dishwasher: man mke2fs, man mount |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: wtf ... |
| 02:48.18 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, and its not even really a harddrive |
| 02:48.33 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: how are you going to install linux in 16MB ? |
| 02:48.39 | _dishwasher | ok, I officially feel like a dumbfuck, which I sort of am in this sleep deprived moment. is that all you have to do. fark. |
| 02:48.39 | necrite | when i try to run cfdisk i get "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition begins after end-of-disk" |
| 02:48.44 | necrite | any idea? |
| 02:48.48 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, I have a 1gb flash card :P thats my solution |
| 02:48.53 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, for now |
| 02:49.07 | mwilson | _dishwasher: Assuming there's not already a filesystem on the device. |
| 02:49.16 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: you need something to install from .. so .. you need floppy/cd/pxe/something |
| 02:49.22 | SlicerDicer- | hmm |
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| 02:49.31 | SlicerDicer- | yeah I guess |
| 02:49.40 | _dishwasher | Thank you kindly mwilson... I shall give it the best stab I can from this point. |
| 02:49.45 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, wana see what I am putting it on? |
| 02:50.01 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: i'm guessing some integrated Via CPu thingie :) |
| 02:50.06 | SlicerDicer- | well no |
| 02:50.11 | SlicerDicer- | its not intergrated |
| 02:50.18 | SlicerDicer- | I can pull out the 266mhz AMD |
| 02:50.31 | SlicerDicer- | and upgrade it to 400mhz actually if I want just no extra ram |
| 02:50.36 | SlicerDicer- | http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/compaqthingies.jpg |
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| 02:51.10 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: is that an MSN web tablet ? |
| 02:51.12 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, let me ask another question how big is the base debian install? |
| 02:51.20 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, kinda |
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| 02:51.34 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: uhm .. 200MB i think .. not 100% sure . i never cared that much :) |
| 02:51.40 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, ok cool |
| 02:51.44 | peej | releasing source code as obfuscated code - is that contrary to the letter of the GPL ? |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:51.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 02:51.49 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, long as its not over 500mb its good |
| 02:51.49 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: that should say && |
| 02:51.52 | abrotman | bah ^^ |
| 02:52.00 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:52.27 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: have you considered putting the flashcard somewhere else to get it installed |
| 02:52.27 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:52.39 | SlicerDicer- | yeah this box |
| 02:52.45 | exobyte | I have a jpeg. The printer is a smb share. How can I print the image (quick is nice) |
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| 02:53.30 | abrotman | gah .. it's almost 11 |
| 02:55.20 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, thanks for the help |
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| 02:55.25 | SlicerDicer- | I think I got some ideas |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: all make sense ? |
| 02:55.37 | SlicerDicer- | nah but thats ok :) |
| 02:55.44 | SlicerDicer- | I got some ideas of how to skin this cat |
| 02:55.48 | Azar | when you want to configure /etc/network/interfaces to a DHCP connection, all needed is only edit this line as such: iface eth0 inet dhcp , then comment out all IP numbers previously there? then restart interfaces? |
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| 02:56.22 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, I attempted to put gentoo on the system but that failed as I could not do grub properly it barfed... I am hoping that debian wont also I would rather have apt on that slow of a cpu |
| 02:56.23 | SlicerDicer- | but hey |
| 02:56.31 | peterS | Azar: you still need 'auto eth0' or 'auto lo eth0', and you still need 'iface lo inet loopback' |
| 02:56.32 | Azar | my friend still cannot connect and I assume the sarge installer is buggy |
| 02:56.33 | SlicerDicer- | I got gentoo 90% done just grub went nuts and blew up |
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| 02:56.42 | Azar | peterS, thank you |
| 02:56.44 | dob1 | hi |
| 02:56.51 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: makes sense .. maybe you should have asked #grub :) |
| 02:57.02 | SlicerDicer- | nah |
| 02:57.07 | SlicerDicer- | I am too hardheaded :P |
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| 02:57.25 | coywolf | for i in [ 1..1000 ] ; do << how to fix it ? |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | coywolf: #bash |
| 02:57.35 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, I have no doubts it was related to the way I was installing it |
| 02:57.51 | peterS | coywolf: for i in $(seq 1 1000); do |
| 02:57.51 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:57.56 | SlicerDicer- | abrotman, let me ask you a question |
| 02:58.05 | peej | suppose I made a package foo based on GPL stuff, that I wanted to sell further. I'd have to release it as GPL/LGPL. But to get around people just tweaking and selling it further, I obfuscate the code. Am I violating the GPL? |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | let me give you an answer .. maybe |
| 02:58.07 | peterS | coywolf: or ... seq 1 1000 | while read i; do |
| 02:58.10 | coywolf | peterS, i prefer the .. way |
| 02:58.14 | dob1 | i have on another hard disk a swap partition that it is used by another distribution installed on my pc, if i want to add it i only need to edit /etc/fstab ? |
| 02:58.16 | SlicerDicer- | if I boot debian cd for install... will it see my USB flashcard reader and allow me to use it as a drive abrotman |
| 02:58.27 | peterS | coywolf: fine, fine. do you want your script to work, or not? |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | coywolf: #bash |
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| 02:58.40 | abrotman | SlicerDicer-: uhm .. i think |
| 02:58.48 | coywolf | peterS, i remember .. way can work, is it? |
| 02:58.49 | SlicerDicer- | hehe |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | coywolf: #bash |
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| 02:58.58 | peterS | !tell abrotman -about repeat |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | peterS: you don't say ... |
| 02:59.11 | peterS | abrotman: you made your point |
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| 02:59.21 | abrotman | peterS: care to bet? :) |
| 02:59.27 | peterS | abrotman: my logs prove it |
| 02:59.35 | peterS | abrotman: nagging doesn't get far |
| 02:59.51 | abrotman | peterS: no .. not with you .. with the inquirer |
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| 03:00.17 | peterS | I daresay nagging works about as well on each of us |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:00.42 | abrotman | peterS: i heard you guys make a lot of planes! |
| 03:00.56 | peterS | abrotman: in my hometown? we only have 5 aircraft companies here |
| 03:01.02 | abrotman | only ... |
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| 03:01.11 | peterS | (learjet, boeing, cessna, raytheon, airbus) |
| 03:01.19 | abrotman | darn .. you need another |
| 03:01.22 | peterS | yeah |
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| 03:01.36 | peterS | actually Airbus only halfway counts as they don't have any manufacturing here, only engineering |
| 03:01.43 | peterS | the others have both |
| 03:01.44 | abrotman | that works |
| 03:02.04 | peterS | but, y'know, it's hard to justify building airplanes in the center of the US if you're going to be shipping them out of Paris or whatever |
| 03:02.07 | secher | I love being nagged. it gives me practice on selective hearing and excuse making. |
| 03:02.13 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:02.22 | abrotman | secher: what? |
| 03:02.32 | secher | what what? |
| 03:02.47 | abrotman | secher: what? |
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| 03:02.51 | peterS | secher: you should download the free version of winzip and run it often in wine |
| 03:03.01 | peterS | secher: it nags every time you start it. buy me, buy me |
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| 03:03.31 | abrotman | but not opera! |
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| 03:04.09 | peykan | hi all |
| 03:04.20 | peterS | funny how opera is singular in italian and plural in latin |
| 03:04.32 | peykan | question |
| 03:04.39 | secher | opera sucks. if I wanted to watch a bunch of fat people sing about their woes, I'd go to more family functions. |
| 03:04.40 | peterS | (the latin singular for 'work' is 'opus') |
| 03:04.41 | peykan | how do i fix my audio streaming |
| 03:04.55 | resiak | !tell peykan -about smart questions |
| 03:04.59 | secher | Oh, you mean Opera, the browser. <grin> |
| 03:05.16 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:05.30 | peykan | audio issue |
| 03:05.36 | resiak | !tell peykan -about smart questions |
| 03:05.37 | secher | I was being intentionallly obtuse, nevermind. |
| 03:05.39 | resiak | Go and read it... |
| 03:05.44 | peterS | secher: I'll have you know, the last opera I was in, only two of the cast were particularly overweight. and one of these is borderline |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | secher: yeah .. so was i .. you missed the joke |
| 03:05.57 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 03:06.38 | resiak | !tell peykan -about ask |
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| 03:07.00 | ryan_ | what module do serial devices use? |
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| 03:07.04 | secher | peterS: in as in participating? Nice. I was making a joke, while I'm no fan of opera, the vocal abilities of the singers impress the hell out of me. |
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| 03:07.10 | peterS | secher: hmmm, maybe one other. so two overweight, plus one or two kinda overweight. |
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| 03:08.37 | peterS | secher: I'm no fan of some opera. the last (and only, so far) I was in was Les Contes d'Hoffman (English: The Tales of Hoffman) and it was *fun* - felt more like music theater than opera. don't know what it looked like in the audience, but on stage it was not dull or esoteric at all |
| 03:08.58 | abrotman | Tales of David Hasslehoff ? |
| 03:09.02 | peterS | yes. |
| 03:09.19 | peterS | either him or E.T.A. Hoffman, whom some Germans will have heard of |
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| 03:15.47 | magyar | is there a package that would manage iptables? |
| 03:15.55 | magyar | rules |
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| 03:16.12 | magyar | beside shorewall |
| 03:16.17 | peterS | magyar: use 'apt-cache search' to find out, there are several |
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| 03:17.38 | magyar | peterS, thank you |
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| 03:18.58 | BlackLotus | *omg cries* my sound recently stopped working and I have no idea why. Now I have no tunes to code to. I'm going insane... anyone got any advice? |
| 03:20.00 | BlackLotus | I built my kernel without complete support for my battery.... now I don't know when it's going to die... |
| 03:21.10 | nvz | menuconfig would never let me leave out serial config.. I always wanted to |
| 03:21.23 | peterS | nvz: really? why? and why wouldn't it let you? |
| 03:22.01 | nvz | peterS: I just dont include things I know I will _NEVER_ use like a dozen low-level scsi drivers |
| 03:22.16 | peterS | nvz: serial ports, you never know, though |
| 03:22.28 | nvz | peterS: screw a serial port :P |
| 03:22.30 | peterS | nvz: some day your mouse will break and you'll have a serial mouse just sitting around and you'll have to plug it in |
| 03:22.49 | jbroome | or you'll have openbsd on a sparcstation 5 and you'll need minicom |
| 03:22.58 | nvz | I would do without before I would use an old serial ball mouse |
| 03:23.20 | kazzil | does linux's internal routing pay attention to the ToS bits in TCP/IP? Will Minimum Delay actually do anything? |
| 03:23.48 | peterS | kazzil: you can load specific routing policy modules, some of which care |
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| 03:23.58 | peterS | some of which do not |
| 03:24.04 | peterS | they are called queueing disciplines, IIRC |
| 03:24.17 | kazzil | yeah, i'm setting up packet queueing now. |
| 03:24.33 | peterS | you'll have to look for documentation on the different modules to see what they do and which bits they care about |
| 03:24.34 | kazzil | i guess i'll just do it manually |
| 03:24.48 | kazzil | none of the queues i've looked at do it |
| 03:26.47 | peterS | kazzil: that surprises me, I would have expected at least some of them to pay attention to it |
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| 03:30.00 | kazzil | #debian has gotten really quiet this past year |
| 03:30.23 | peterS | kazzil: depends a great deal on time of day and time of week. midnight central US (5:00 or so UTC) tends to be about the quietest |
| 03:31.02 | nite613 | If I want to install etch via netinst, should I use the sarge D-I (did it ever ake it past rc3?) or should I use a new etch D-I snapshot from tonight? |
| 03:31.21 | cheal | nite613: no, sarge's d-i is d-i RC3 |
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| 03:32.08 | nite613 | cheal: Will it install etch for me? /or can I switch the sources.list after the first stage like I used to do with woody netinst disks when I wanted sarge? |
| 03:32.33 | vird | hello all, I have some trouble with ppp dialup connection sharing ... only one of the two machines on the lan is able to use the internet .... if one machine is using any internet service the other can't get information form the internet. I have used a no-network network between the two systems ... |
| 03:32.43 | vird | does anyone know howto fix this ? |
| 03:33.29 | peterS | vird: what is a no-network network? |
| 03:34.03 | tcsetattr | which RFC describes the "no-network network"? |
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| 03:34.29 | vird | peterS: no-network network is a crossover ethernet cable ... |
| 03:34.30 | peterS | maybe RFC 1001, "netbios over TCP/IP" |
| 03:34.33 | vird | there is no repeater ... |
| 03:34.46 | vird | just a cable between two computers |
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| 03:35.16 | kazzil | there's no way to create another user who can also do package management right? |
| 03:35.16 | tcsetattr | oh, well that's meaningless layer-0 stuff. It's the same as if you had a hub, as far as any software is concerned. |
| 03:35.29 | peterS | kazzil: right |
| 03:35.34 | vird | tcsetattr: probably .... |
| 03:35.37 | kazzil | i say this because package management touches all files, theres no way to do permitions.... |
| 03:35.41 | kazzil | yeah |
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| 03:35.45 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 03:35.45 | peterS | vird: so you need to set up each NIC on the cable to have an IP address and netmask compatible with each other. and you need to set up NAT forwarding between your ppp0 and your eth1 or whatever, on the gateway machine. |
| 03:35.54 | bob2 | kazzil: give them sudo rights to run apt-get |
| 03:35.57 | vird | peterS: yes |
| 03:36.04 | cheal | nite613: using the etch d-i sounds natural. but I don't know d-i much |
| 03:36.07 | MrEntropy | what is the debian hotplug/hardware detector and how do i turn it off? |
| 03:36.15 | tcsetattr | and don't forget to enable the ip_forward sysctl |
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| 03:36.21 | peterS | MrEntropy: there are two packages, discover and hotplug, that do this type of thing. you can uninstall them. |
| 03:36.35 | MrEntropy | peterS: excellent, thankyou |
| 03:37.05 | nite613 | cheal: I just read in the wiki that they recommend a nightly build for installing testing or sid; on the other hand, I'm 55% done my download of the RC3 netinst, so I'll give that a shot first :P |
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| 03:37.31 | vird | tcsetattr: i have ip_forward enabled ... |
| 03:37.43 | bob2 | kazzil: that's giving them root, more or less, tho, if they're willing to put enough effort into it |
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| 03:37.56 | nite613 | vird: you need more than ip_forward enabled, you need NAT via iptables |
| 03:37.57 | dotCOMmie | anyone know if its _safe_ to upgrade sysvinit? |
| 03:38.08 | tcsetattr | vird, you need to do some diagnostic work. We're good detectives but we can't work without clues |
| 03:38.32 | cheal | dotCOMmie: from what to what? |
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| 03:39.06 | cheal | nite613: it's sure that you can upgrade to etch anyway |
| 03:39.12 | felix975 | <--- Is curious if anyone has successfully installed a dual boot of the Debian 3.1 DVD ISO with Windows? |
| 03:39.20 | vird | nite613: yes i have done more than that ... is there a webpage where i can paste what i am using ? |
| 03:39.23 | peterS | kazzil: it's pretty meaningless to give someone the ability to install packages without the ability to be root. because packages themselves get to install and run stuff as root, so your underling just needs to find a way to install a package she built herself with a setuid root shell in it |
| 03:39.33 | cheal | felix975: what do you think? |
| 03:39.35 | peterS | felix975: I'm sure it has never been done |
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| 03:39.42 | vird | tcsetattr: i understand i am looking for a place where i can paste my script ... |
| 03:39.48 | peterS | vird: /topic |
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| 03:39.54 | tcsetattr | I wish I could dpkg -i *.deb as non-root and have it magically installed under ~/bin |
| 03:39.56 | Varanger | hello! |
| 03:39.59 | dotCOMmie | cheal: ii sysvinit 2.84-2woody1 to current testing one |
| 03:40.07 | MrEntropy | what is the boottime module-load configurator? |
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| 03:40.12 | MrEntropy | used to be modconf i know that |
| 03:40.13 | Varanger | how can I install EsounD under Debian/GNOME ?? what is the package name? |
| 03:40.15 | dotCOMmie | cheal: I am having some issues upgrading |
| 03:40.15 | cheal | dotCOMmie: why would it break? |
| 03:40.37 | dotCOMmie | where is the pastebin? |
| 03:40.45 | peterS | !topicsmite dotCOMmie |
| 03:40.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dotCOMmie. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 03:41.18 | bcc | should we use /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf ? |
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| 03:41.29 | bob2 | modules |
| 03:41.33 | bcc | for 2.6? |
| 03:41.41 | dotCOMmie | peterS: thanks. I was looking for a url in the topic d: |
| 03:41.45 | peterS | bcc: don't use modules.conf. use either /etc/modules or /etc/modprobe.d/something |
| 03:42.08 | bcc | ok, is /etc/modules.conf for 2.4? |
| 03:42.19 | peterS | bcc: read it and see. it's for 2.4 but don't use it in 2.4 either, directly |
| 03:42.22 | cheal | Varanger: esound sounds like a good guess |
| 03:42.29 | peterS | bcc: in 2.4 you want /etc/modutils/something |
| 03:42.36 | bcc | ok, is it safe to remove if i use 2.6? |
| 03:42.41 | Varanger | cheal: ? |
| 03:42.52 | dotCOMmie | cheal: http://channels.debian.net/paste/746 |
| 03:42.54 | peterS | bcc: it comes with the 'modutils' package. purge that and /etc/modules.conf will most likely go away as well |
| 03:42.58 | peterS | bcc: yes, it's safe to blow away |
| 03:43.38 | bcc | is there a guide somewhere that explains all of those files? and modutils and all others. i got a lot of crap in etc that has to do with modules and no explanations |
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| 03:43.57 | dotCOMmie | cheal: I want to be sure _sure_ that its safe because the box is in florida and I am in NY |
| 03:44.03 | cheal | dotCOMmie: that doesn't look like a sysvinit itself bug, but you could google it |
| 03:44.09 | peterS | bcc: no guide that I know of. here is the short version: |
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| 03:44.17 | cheal | dotCOMmie: if you want to be sure, upgrade to sarge first |
| 03:44.28 | peterS | bcc: (1) kernel 2.4 uses 'modutils', kernel 2.6 uses 'module-init-tools'. |
| 03:44.41 | cheal | !tell dotCOMmie about woody->sarge |
| 03:44.44 | peterS | bcc: (2) modutils uses /etc/modules.conf which is built automatically by piecing together /etc/modutils/* |
| 03:44.55 | cheal | dotCOMmie: realize about the 30% stat |
| 03:45.04 | peterS | bcc: (2a) module-init-tools uses all files in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 03:45.30 | peterS | bcc: (3) /etc/modules lists modules to be loaded at boot time. if /etc/modules-2.6 exists, that will be used instead if your kernel is 2.6 |
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| 03:45.34 | MrEntropy | i'm wondering the same thing, i want to get rid of some modules loading at boot |
| 03:45.38 | dotCOMmie | cheal: what do you mean? |
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| 03:45.48 | peterS | bcc: (3 cont) therefore, you can have different static module lists in 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, which is handy if you dual-boot them |
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| 03:45.55 | cheal | dotCOMmie: did you get the /msg from dpkg? |
| 03:46.05 | vird | tcsetattr,peterS http://channels.debian.net/paste/747 is the script i am using |
| 03:46.10 | bcc | ok, if /etc/modules lists what to load at boot, what does /etc/modprobe.d/ list? |
| 03:46.15 | dotCOMmie | yeah |
| 03:46.23 | peterS | bcc: (4) if you have /etc/conf.modules, that's an old name for /etc/modules.conf and you can blow it away with extreme prejudice |
| 03:46.29 | cheal | dotCOMmie: grep it for "30%" |
| 03:46.29 | tcsetattr | (2b) if this isn't too much already, /etc/modules.conf used to be called /etc/conf.modules and may still be loaded with the old name if the new one is missing! |
| 03:46.41 | Capkirk | trying to save my debian installation launching installcd and mounting / on /mnt/root and /boot on /mnt/boot now i need to create new MBR with lilo i do /mnt/root/sbin/lilo -C /mnt/root/etc/lilo.conf -M /dev/discs/disc0/disc and i get : Fatal : creat /boot/boot.0800 No such file or directory? |
| 03:46.46 | bcc | conf.modules is for 2.4 only, right? |
| 03:46.51 | dotCOMmie | cheal: got it |
| 03:46.54 | peterS | bcc: modprobe.d/* is a configuration file for /sbin/modprobe from module-init-tools. it specifies what to load when you or the kernel request a specific service, and what else to do in those situations |
| 03:47.03 | dotCOMmie | cheal: thanks.. I'll RTFM a bit |
| 03:47.15 | peterS | bcc: conf.modules should not exist. it's an old name for modules.conf and only applies to the modutils package anyway, which is for 2.0 2.2 and 2.4 kernels |
| 03:47.27 | bcc | peterS, should i edit /etc/modules it directly? |
| 03:47.49 | peterS | bcc: certainly. alternatively you *can* run 'modconf' which edits it for you, but I find modconf to be more trouble than it's worth |
| 03:48.15 | bcc | ok, what about /etc/modprobe.d/ ? should i edit those file directly? |
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| 03:48.45 | tcsetattr | I have too much junk in /etc/modules. |
| 03:49.00 | peterS | bcc: you can. or you can create a new /etc/modprobe.d/local or something to store your own configurations in. that's preferable in some ways since you have less chance of conflicts if the shipped files are updated later |
| 03:49.31 | bcc | ok, so /etc/modules is what to load ad boot from what's described in /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
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| 03:50.07 | peterS | bcc: /etc/modules is what to load at boot time. modprobe *does* consult /etc/modprobe.d/* to modify this list, but normally you just put in literally what you want, in /etc/modules, so /etc/modprobe.d/* has no effect at that time |
| 03:50.13 | peterS | it's a bit complicated |
| 03:50.27 | MrEntropy | oh i see |
| 03:50.34 | bcc | ok, so aliases and other crap goes to /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 03:50.39 | kazzil | damnit, openswan pakcage still hasnt released 2.4.0 |
| 03:50.43 | kazzil | i think i'm gonna cry |
| 03:50.51 | peterS | /etc/modprobe.d/* is mainly intended for kernel auto-loading of modules, like when you try to bring up the 'eth0' interface but eth0 does not yet exist. the kernel will request the module 'eth0' and modprobe needs to know how to translate that into, for example, 'e100' |
| 03:50.52 | kazzil | there goes my fun for the week |
| 03:50.54 | MrEntropy | i thought discover wasn't installed, turns out discover ISN'T installed, but discover1 was =) |
| 03:50.55 | peterS | bcc: right |
| 03:51.13 | tcsetattr | /etc/modules can be empty if you've set up aliases in /etc/modprobe.conf sufficient to autoload everything when it's used |
| 03:51.32 | peterS | MrEntropy: ah, I should've warned you. yes, there are *three* packages to look for, discover, hotplug *and discover1*. sorry. |
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| 03:51.44 | bcc | ok. thanks a bunch man. i'll put this conversation online for search engines to pick up. |
| 03:51.52 | peterS | bcc: works for me |
| 03:51.53 | bcc | i'm sure a lot of people ask the same questions. |
| 03:51.58 | bcc | thanks. |
| 03:52.09 | MrEntropy | peterS: np =) |
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| 03:54.04 | bcc | is there a way to find out which module is being used for eth0 while the box is running? |
| 03:54.23 | vird | bcc: lsmod ? |
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| 03:54.36 | bcc | right, but which one is for networking |
| 03:54.55 | vird | depends on your card i suppose ... |
| 03:54.56 | bcc | in vmware i see pcnet32, but on the real box, i'm not sure and i can't miss or i'm screwed |
| 03:54.59 | peterS | bcc: nothing obvious I can think of, except manual perusing of 'dmesg' output |
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| 03:55.10 | tcsetattr | bcc, you can mount sysfs and look it up there... |
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| 03:55.35 | bcc | tcsetattr, i'll need to do some reading of what that is. thanks |
| 03:55.38 | tcsetattr | ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/driver |
| 03:56.02 | nite613 | tcsetattr: cool, didn't know that sysfs trick |
| 03:56.45 | bcc | nite613, nah. move of a whole system by using one drive partition and a pivot_root |
| 03:56.45 | tcsetattr | one of the few things you actually need sysfs for |
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| 03:57.01 | bcc | on a running box |
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| 03:57.07 | nite613 | bcc: Ahhh, I see |
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| 03:57.31 | bcc | nite613, yeah. if the box goes down, so do two sites with about 10k daily uniques each :( |
| 03:57.34 | bcc | and i'm screwed |
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| 03:59.52 | vird | any idea how i can fix the issue with my ppp sharing ... any pointers to where i am going wrong ? |
| 03:59.57 | vird | tcsetattr,peterS http://channels.debian.net/paste/747 is the script i am using |
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| 04:00.17 | dondelelcaro | bcc: why don't you just bring up a new box in parallel to do the upgrade? |
| 04:00.45 | cheal | tcsetattr: cool...what if there's no such file? |
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| 04:01.20 | tcsetattr | cheal, I don't know exactly what that means... my eth0 has one but my eth1 doesn't. |
| 04:01.39 | peterS | vird: don't know. make sure eth0 really is internal, as opposed to eth1 |
| 04:01.40 | tcsetattr | I don't think we need to see your setup script, vird. We need to see some tcpdump, traceroute, iptables -L packet counters, you know... _diagnostics_. |
| 04:01.45 | SlicerDicer | is debian not capable of seeing usb drives and usb ethernet? |
| 04:01.53 | cheal | tcsetattr: ok. I have one for my eth0 using forcedeth on this PC too |
| 04:01.55 | peterS | SlicerDicer: not so |
| 04:01.59 | bob2 | it's always good to start your questions with a troll |
| 04:02.07 | bob2 | it encourages peopel to be polite and helpful |
| 04:02.26 | vird-r | peterS: I have only one ethernet card the other is a serial connection |
| 04:02.31 | SlicerDicer | peterS: so it can? |
| 04:02.39 | bcc | dondelelcaro: different ip address. the hosting company can't get me another box and get the same ip. i might lose se rankings |
| 04:02.40 | peterS | bob2: you know the theory, people will rush to defend debian against the infidels and incidentally will answer his questions |
| 04:02.54 | cheal | peterS: hahaha |
| 04:03.00 | SlicerDicer | bob2: were you talking to me? |
| 04:03.03 | vird-r | ;) |
| 04:03.06 | bob2 | SlicerDicer: yes |
| 04:03.13 | SlicerDicer | bob2: I was not trolling |
| 04:03.19 | peterS | SlicerDicer: yes he was. "is debian really unable to do ***" is a troll. "can debian do ***?" is much more polite |
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| 04:03.23 | cheal | SlicerDicer: hopefully |
| 04:03.28 | philmore | can someone tell me the shutdown command for debian |
| 04:03.35 | tcsetattr | the best way to get the right answer to a question is not to ask the question, but to give the wrong answer. people are more motivated to correct you |
| 04:03.36 | gravity | philmore: shutdown |
| 04:03.42 | cheal | hey operators, there are people talking about Debian! please do something! BTW, it's about USB! |
| 04:03.43 | philmore | but with what option? |
| 04:03.49 | SlicerDicer | bob2: I was asking a serious question I just booted the netboot cd and it did not see it so I was going to ask if it did work how or what to use |
| 04:03.55 | nite613 | philmore: shutdown -h now |
| 04:03.56 | SlicerDicer | please dont read into it that I am being a troll :/ |
| 04:03.57 | peterS | philmore: it does have a manpage |
| 04:04.00 | peterS | philmore: you could, I dunno, read it |
| 04:04.01 | gravity | philmore: Read the man page |
| 04:04.29 | peterS | SlicerDicer: some USB network chips have free kernel drivers, some do not. you can hope yours does. |
| 04:04.38 | philmore | thanks gravity just having a brain fart |
| 04:04.52 | cheal | tcsetattr: hehehe. do you have stats on this? |
| 04:05.03 | peterS | SlicerDicer: as for USB hard drives, those should pretty much all work, but you may have to load a couple of kernel modules manually |
| 04:05.11 | SlicerDicer | peterS: the reason I ask is my ubuntu cd saw both |
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| 04:05.24 | cheal | *shrug* |
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| 04:05.36 | SlicerDicer | peterS: ubuntu wont do what I need on that system cause well it requires too much bleeding edge hardware I need debian cause it will run on older hardware and uses lilo |
| 04:05.38 | Gnea | hrm |
| 04:06.07 | peterS | SlicerDicer: honestly, ubuntu doesn't have particularly higher hardware requirements than debian. by bringing up a GUI by default it may seem that way. but you can uninstall that, same way you can in debian |
| 04:06.11 | Gnea | SlicerDicer: ok, and you realize that ubuntu and debian are separate beasts? |
| 04:06.21 | SlicerDicer | Gnea: umm yeah? |
| 04:06.28 | peterS | Gnea: he realises |
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| 04:06.30 | Gnea | cool |
| 04:06.31 | SlicerDicer | Gnea: but ubuntu is based off debian sid |
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| 04:06.37 | SlicerDicer | :) |
| 04:06.39 | Gnea | peterS: just making sure :) |
| 04:06.41 | bob2 | they're not that different |
| 04:06.49 | bob2 | no more than debian and libranet or whatever |
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| 04:07.18 | Gnea | what's seriously scary is the fact that i'm loading fedora core onto this laptop - only because it's the only distro that's widely accepted to work on an hp zv6000 |
| 04:07.37 | SlicerDicer | well I am just wondering how to get debian to see my usb stuff.... do I need the debian full disk isted of netboot will that help? |
| 04:07.51 | Gnea | SlicerDicer: well usb is a kernel issue |
| 04:07.55 | SlicerDicer | is the netboot restricted in the amount of hardware it can do or is it something else that is the problem |
| 04:07.57 | bob2 | I'd be very very surprised if any distro worked better on a hp laptop than ubuntu |
| 04:07.58 | peterS | !qotd16 |
| 04:07.58 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whiskey are different like debian and knoppix. |
| 04:08.03 | bob2 | given that hp ships ubuntu on them |
| 04:08.40 | Gnea | not on this one |
| 04:08.45 | SlicerDicer | Gnea: yeah I know but what I am asking is what would be causing it heh |
| 04:08.46 | cheal | bob2: you must mean some of them? |
| 04:08.46 | Gnea | it's x86_64 |
| 04:08.47 | Guerin | !qotd16 =~ s/debian and knoppix/knoppix and debian/ |
| 04:08.47 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 04:08.53 | peterS | Gnea: zv6000, is that ia64? surely not.. |
| 04:08.54 | bob2 | cheal: yes |
| 04:09.01 | Gnea | peterS: no, amd64 |
| 04:09.03 | peterS | Guerin: you were misquoted? |
| 04:09.08 | bob2 | Gnea: I'd try breezy, but eot |
| 04:09.22 | Guerin | peterS: probably not, but that brings it into respective line |
| 04:09.26 | Gnea | bob2: you'd jack who? |
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| 04:09.34 | peterS | Guerin: well, ok, I guess it's ok to edit your *own* quotations |
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| 04:09.45 | SlicerDicer | and if its able to be done what disk image do I need to get this going with my hardware... I have a dlink usb to ethernet and a usb drive that works fine with every distro I have tested it on |
| 04:09.51 | cheal | it's clearly not IRCly correct though |
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| 04:10.17 | Gnea | SlicerDicer: again, it's a *kernel* issue |
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| 04:10.26 | peterS | Gnea: I asked because the HP zx6000 is an ia64. zx6000 and zv6000 sound similar |
| 04:10.30 | SlicerDicer | Gnea: so it wont work? |
| 04:10.42 | Gnea | SlicerDicer: the kernel is the core of the os itself, which the distro comprises itself around |
| 04:10.43 | vladuz976 | anybody know how to set up mutt to use pop3? |
| 04:10.49 | SlicerDicer | well duh dude |
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| 04:11.02 | Gnea | SlicerDicer: so you have to figure out how to tweak the kernel from the distro to make it do what you want :) |
| 04:11.05 | SlicerDicer | do you think I am a moron peterS said it would work I thought |
| 04:11.08 | peterS | SlicerDicer: start by booting 'linux26' in place of 'linux', maybe the necessary drivers work better in kernel 2.6 |
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| 04:11.20 | Gnea | why yes, yes i do think you are a moron. |
| 04:11.24 | peterS | SlicerDicer: that's at the 'Boot:' prompt when you first turn on the computer with the CD in |
| 04:11.29 | SlicerDicer | Gnea: please refrain from talking or helping me |
| 04:11.34 | SlicerDicer | thanks |
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| 04:11.36 | Gnea | SlicerDicer: then get the fuck out. |
| 04:11.36 | bcc | where can i read more about sysfs? |
| 04:11.44 | Koffa | how can I force 2.4.27-?-686-smp to load megaraid2 instead of megaraid? |
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| 04:12.13 | SlicerDicer | Gnea: I asked you nicely to refrain from helping me beacuse all you did was slam me for no reason without knowing what I know or who I am or anything |
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| 04:12.25 | SlicerDicer | I was instantly labeled a troll on enter god damn... |
| 04:12.44 | peterS | bcc: it's the user-visible part of the device layer in kernel 2.6. I realise that doesn't tell you much but it's something to google on |
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| 04:12.52 | Gnea | SlicerDicer: i wasn't even slamming you, you got offensive on me (that whole 'duh' crap) if you can't recognize sarcasm coming back at you, then you need to clean up your attitude. |
| 04:12.58 | dumezil | where can i get a codec to play wmv 9 files? |
| 04:13.02 | bcc | peterS: yeah, thanks. i need to keywords :) |
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| 04:13.09 | bcc | to -> the |
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| 04:13.14 | cheal | !tell dumezil about marillat |
| 04:13.41 | bcc | peterS: is it safe to delete /dev/ of a running box? |
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| 04:14.01 | bcc | and then copy another one from insider a chrooted install |
| 04:14.02 | Gnea | SlicerDicer: and by droning on about "oh don't help me cuz you think i'm a moron" little kiddie attitude, you detract further from the real problem: getting your usb ethernet to work. |
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| 04:14.12 | tcsetattr | bcc, well it probably won't give you brain cancer. But other than that, no it doesn't sound very safe at all. |
| 04:14.23 | bcc | tcsetattr: that sucks. |
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| 04:14.32 | Koffa | anyone? |
| 04:14.35 | stew | bcc: why would you want to? |
| 04:14.38 | action09 | hi all , |
| 04:14.48 | brick_in_hell | any clues why mdadm --misc /dev/md1 --run says nothing, but leaves my array "inactive" and "clean, degraded"? i'm having trouble re-adding my disk hde2. |
| 04:14.48 | tcsetattr | bcc, you could possibly mount a new one over top of the old one. That _might_ not break things :) |
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| 04:14.57 | bcc | i see /dev/shm/networking in a chrooted install by debootstrap, but don't have it in /dev/shm on my desktop |
| 04:15.11 | bcc | is it safe to delete it? |
| 04:15.19 | bcc | /dev/shm/network or networking. i forgot now |
| 04:15.34 | action09 | great idea to do a 'apt-spy -d stable' , my modified sources.list was replaced , i thought that Debian would'nt erase/replace a user modified config file.. |
| 04:15.40 | bcc | stew: i'm installing debian over redhat |
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| 04:16.26 | Manoj_ | bcc, don't erase something you don't know about :) |
| 04:16.34 | Manoj_ | action09, you ran apt-spy, not dpkg, right? |
| 04:16.45 | tcsetattr | action09, you can also modify your sources.list using /usr/bin/vim, which is installed by a debian package, same as apt-spy. What doesn't happen is conffiles getting chagned _during installation_ of a package. |
| 04:16.48 | bcc | Manoj_, yeah, i just want to make sure it won't hurt me at boot or something |
| 04:16.56 | action09 | Manoj_ yep |
| 04:17.03 | Manoj_ | action09, debian does not preventt you from running rm -f or vo some file, and apt-spy is in the same category |
| 04:17.17 | action09 | that's not politically correct |
| 04:17.18 | action09 | :) |
| 04:17.20 | Manoj_ | s/vo/vi/ |
| 04:17.27 | Koffa | anyone?anyone familiar with the module-loading and alternative modules? |
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| 04:17.38 | Manoj_ | action09, it is not? |
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| 04:17.45 | brick_in_hell | OK, a more succinct question: why does mdadm offer --fail but not --unfail? what do i do if a disk is mistakenly failed? |
| 04:17.47 | Gnea | Koffa: alternative modules? |
| 04:17.48 | SlicerDicer | I am sorry if I pissed off people in this channel I will leave peacefully |
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| 04:18.01 | Koffa | Gnea: how can I force 2.4.27-?-686-smp to load megaraid2 instead of megaraid(1)? |
| 04:18.55 | Gnea | Koffa: check out /etc/modules |
| 04:18.56 | action09 | Manoj_ my fault, but if user missed to make a 'cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak' why apt-spy, working on this file won't do a backup ? |
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| 04:19.02 | Koffa | Gnea: both should "work", but megaraid2 has some features I need (status information about teh raid etc) |
| 04:19.20 | Gnea | Koffa: right, and you only want to use one or the other, but not both |
| 04:19.20 | tcsetattr | action09, submit a wishlist item to apt-spy |
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| 04:19.27 | Guerin | action09: the point being that a sources.list is rarely difficult to construct from scratch |
| 04:19.33 | Marcelo | testando |
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| 04:19.40 | action09 | tcsetattr i will :) |
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| 04:19.54 | tcsetattr | making a backup before overwriting a configuration file with a new autogenerated one sounds like a good idea... |
| 04:20.08 | Guerin | action09: with the corollary that anyone who's clueless enough to not back up their configs oughtn't be using 3rd-party repositories in the first place. |
| 04:20.15 | quik_ | !dpkgx |
| 04:20.19 | Marcelo | Caras estou tentando achar o canal irc do BRASIL de auxílio a debian alguem pode me ajudar.....????? |
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| 04:20.29 | quik_ | whats the switch for the command to reconfigure X? |
| 04:20.29 | cheal | !br |
| 04:20.29 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:20.36 | cheal | !drxx quik_ |
| 04:20.38 | dpkg | quik_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:20.39 | Guerin | !drxx quik_ |
| 04:20.44 | quik_ | !drxx |
| 04:20.44 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:20.45 | action09 | Guerin yes my fault.. but as i'm experienced i will replace it :p |
| 04:20.48 | quik_ | thanks |
| 04:21.12 | brick_in_hell | do these look contradictory to anyone else? |
| 04:21.12 | brick_in_hell | mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/hde2: No such device |
| 04:21.13 | brick_in_hell | mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/hde2: Device or resource busy |
| 04:21.15 | Marcelo | OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO......... |
| 04:21.17 | Marcelo | OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO......... |
| 04:21.18 | Marcelo | OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO......... |
| 04:21.20 | Marcelo | OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO.........OBRIGADO......... |
| 04:21.22 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:21.25 | peterS | !ops flood |
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| 04:21.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: flood |
| 04:21.33 | brick_in_hell | marcelo, com calma |
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| 04:21.39 | peterS | thanks helix |
| 04:21.46 | Koffa | Gnea: I tried adding megaraid2 to /etc/modules but iirc it still loaded megaraid and failed on the....2 |
| 04:22.13 | tcsetattr | Koffa, just rm the module you don't want loaded... it won't come back from that. |
| 04:22.21 | dannyp | oh, that's a cute feature for dpkg |
| 04:22.29 | dannyp | the whole !ops thing |
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| 04:22.48 | Gnea | Koffa: are you sure it's not loading via an initial ramdisk? |
| 04:23.17 | vird | hmmz i find that i have 10% packet loss when i use both computers on the local lan connecting to the internet ... and at other times there is no packet loss ... |
| 04:23.18 | Manoj_ | action09, well, the same applies to vi, cp, rm, mv, cat >file, no? |
| 04:23.23 | vird | what does this indicate ? |
| 04:23.42 | Manoj_ | action09, stuff acts on files, and the destination is often overwritten |
| 04:23.43 | action09 | Manoj_ yes ok i know what you mean |
| 04:23.47 | action09 | ok :) |
| 04:24.05 | mango | vick: could be a faulty cable |
| 04:24.06 | action09 | Manoj_ it's why i make aliases in .bashrc |
| 04:24.10 | action09 | :) |
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| 04:24.17 | action09 | rm -i ..etc |
| 04:24.24 | vick | mango, what ? |
| 04:24.26 | vird | mango: but at other times there is no packet loss ... |
| 04:24.49 | vick | ok wrong person i see |
| 04:24.51 | Manoj_ | action09, I used to as welll -- until I went on a machine as root without my aliases. Now I have trained myself not to assume there are safeguards -- which is far safer |
| 04:25.36 | action09 | Manoj_ i'm having problems .. i lost my etc.tgz backup also :) |
| 04:25.48 | mango | vird: hmmm....could be a fault link along the line to your ISP |
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| 04:26.35 | tcsetattr | vird, ifconfig should tell you if there are errors on the ethernet link. |
| 04:26.45 | drtr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:26.47 | vird | tcsetattr: let me try that |
| 04:27.41 | mwilson | drtr: Read the installation instructions? |
| 04:27.55 | mwilson | <scarf> |
| 04:27.56 | drtr | yes |
| 04:28.13 | drtr | mwilson: It says ./configure make and make install |
| 04:28.14 | vird | tcsetattr: i have three ppp links showing up in ifconfig ... is that normal ? i have just one ppp dialout connection ... |
| 04:28.29 | Koffa | Gnea: not sure, it's beeen a while since I tried (now running self-compiled which works correctly, would just like to switch tostock kernels) |
| 04:28.30 | mwilson | drtr: Well, then? |
| 04:28.31 | drtr | mwilson: But no Makefile in source code |
| 04:28.49 | Koffa | Gnea: I'llbe next to the comp in 4hrs... |
| 04:29.02 | mwilson | drtr: Ok, since that's what the instructions say, the reason you don't think you should follow them would be...? |
| 04:29.09 | tcsetattr | vird, are you using any pppoe? |
| 04:29.11 | vird | and one eth0 which has no packet loss ... just ppp0 which is connected to the internet shows a packet loss figure (which i suppose is not a problem at my end ) |
| 04:29.18 | vird | tcsetattr: no i am not |
| 04:29.25 | Gnea | Koffa: i do kernels as well - with megaraid, i prefer to compile it in |
| 04:29.33 | vird | tcsetattr: just a normal dailup via cdma phone |
| 04:30.10 | Manoj_ | drtr, ./configure should regenerate all the Makefiles, usually |
| 04:30.12 | mwilson | drtr: Well? |
| 04:30.24 | tcsetattr | vird, how many pppd processes are running? you shouldn't have any "extra" ppp interfaces |
| 04:30.42 | vird | tcsetattr: one sec |
| 04:30.44 | mwilson | <scarfsomemore> |
| 04:32.20 | vird | tcsetattr: ah tnx i had some zombie pppd processes ... just killed them ... |
| 04:32.58 | vird | now i can use both my pc and the other laptop but the laptop is not able to use all the bandwidth ... |
| 04:32.59 | mwilson | feh... doesn't anyone put salt on fries any more? |
| 04:33.38 | dondelelcaro | NaCl is the new carbohydrate. |
| 04:33.52 | tcsetattr | lingering pppd's that should have been dead... that would be a problem. Check your routing table (netstat -rn) |
| 04:34.10 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: *I* like salt on my french fries |
| 04:34.31 | mwilson | Salt, and A-1 |
| 04:34.38 | rking | i have a really old laptop (circa 1991) that has what looks like a PCMCIA slot... could it possibly accept a modern nic and work under debian/linux? |
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| 04:34.57 | rking | my backup plan is a crossover-rs232 |
| 04:35.08 | tcsetattr | Salt if the fries are good; a sea of ketchup to cover up the taste if they're from Burger King. |
| 04:35.25 | dondelelcaro | rking: you'll probably need a 16 bit pcmcia card... I'd probably start wit the crossover cable... |
| 04:35.25 | vird | tcsetattr: kernel routing table shows 172.23.128.83 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 04:35.50 | vird | tcsetattr: there is one more 0.0.0.0 172.23.128.83 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 .... |
| 04:36.00 | vird | why are there two entries for ppp0 ? |
| 04:36.14 | tcsetattr | vird, I don't want to _see_ it. when I say "check your routing table", that's like saying "check your testicles for lumps". You should check it. But don't show it to anybody, that's gross. |
| 04:36.20 | mwilson | I like BK fries. Damn sight better than McD's |
| 04:36.31 | tcsetattr | fries are the only good thing at McD's |
| 04:36.37 | tcsetattr | I like soggy fries. |
| 04:36.43 | vird | tcsetattr: sorry ;) |
| 04:36.51 | mwilson | bah |
| 04:37.30 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: you need it to slow down first? |
| 04:37.32 | tcsetattr | you probably had bad routing entries before you killed the stuck pppd's |
| 04:37.46 | mwilson | In SoCal, McD's only has *convenience* going for them. They're on every bloody corner. BK has much better burgers. |
| 04:37.47 | rking | dondelelcaro: so if i'd like to be able to link up to a normal machine (say another friend's laptop) and check my email over ssh... what programs should we run for crossover serial? me:minicom, him:getty ? |
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| 04:39.43 | madradrone | does anyone know a way i can proxy all http requests through a ssl tunnel to some remote system? |
| 04:40.10 | dondelelcaro | rking: that should work, yes. |
| 04:40.20 | rking | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 04:40.48 | shingouz | rking: if you can find a 16-bit pcmcia, use that one. they are around but you cannot find new ones anymore. ebay or other similar sources unless you already have one somewhere |
| 04:40.50 | madradrone | i assume this would need both client and server configuration |
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| 04:41.12 | rking | shingouz: k - i'll look. |
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| 04:42.21 | raspberry | I'm looking for a good SPAM filter I can put on the SMTP server so users don't have to do anything -- I'm currently running QMail ... any suggestions? |
| 04:42.35 | shingouz | rking: 3com 589 (=Etherlink III) or 3c589ET (=Megahertz LAN 10Mbps) at least work every time |
| 04:42.56 | shingouz | 3c389ET, that is |
| 04:43.10 | rking | shingouz: i was just wondering that - actually, my first debian install was on an ibm thinkpad using a 3c5xx pcmcia driver |
| 04:43.21 | shingouz | no. sorry. another correction. 589 :$ /me is still trying to wake up |
| 04:43.33 | shingouz | rking: you are set then :) |
| 04:44.28 | rking | i've always wanted to learn about linking machines up with serial cables, so i think i'll start with that (save myself some floppy disk hassle) and then see if i can't get a network card going after that. |
| 04:44.32 | shingouz | rking: /msg dpkg laptop (and see if someone has already done an install on a similar laptop) |
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| 04:46.21 | rking | shingouz: nope. i'll add a new entry to the list when i get it going. my dad bought a small stack of these things from a warehouse for super-cheap... i've used one to death (had it in a welding shop running linux with a perl program to help compute parts lists - until its hdd suffered a warm death.) |
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| 04:47.18 | shingouz | rking: cool. a stack of laptops always sounds good. what laptops are they btw? |
| 04:47.25 | roo9 | anyone know what return code 134 is? |
| 04:47.40 | shingouz | roo9: on what? |
| 04:47.42 | peterS | roo9: signal 6 |
| 04:47.51 | peterS | roo9: "abort" |
| 04:48.16 | peterS | roo9: someone called the abort() function, possibly through the assert() macro |
| 04:48.17 | rking | shingouz: here's one exactly like our stack: http://members.lycos.nl/oldcomputergarage/computers/Compaq_Concerto/Compaq_Concerto.html |
| 04:48.27 | roo9 | peters: it's coming up in my nagios install, from time to time all plugins will return 134, btut is entirely unreplicatable from the command line |
| 04:48.39 | rking | shingouz: everyone at my company gives me hassle about not having a laptop. one day i'll show up at a meeting with this badboy. |
| 04:48.46 | shingouz | rking: those are cool things, i could use one :p |
| 04:48.50 | peterS | roo9: the way I found out is: 134 - 128 = 6. 'kill -l' shows 6 as SIGABRT. the rest I knew. |
| 04:48.54 | JimButton | damnit, there seem to be some gross inefficiencies in audacity. admitted, i have a large project, but even if i solo a track and want to playback a short part of it, it seems to go berserk, and now it was even killed by the kernel OOM killer |
| 04:49.00 | shingouz | rking: three contura aeros here |
| 04:49.10 | JimButton | i don't want to dive into the source... |
| 04:49.11 | roo9 | thanks peterS, that's actually very helpful |
| 04:50.23 | tcsetattr | of course it's also possible to call _exit(134), but that would be rude. |
| 04:50.27 | raspberry | i've never had any problems with Audacity except when recording and playing back at the same time... whatever i'm recording is captured 1/2 speed :P |
| 04:50.36 | peterS | tcsetattr: heh, does that actually work? I figured it would limit-check it |
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| 04:51.12 | peterS | aha, it does work |
| 04:51.38 | tcsetattr | some people do things like exit(255) or exit(-1) which also comes out as 255... |
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| 04:52.04 | peterS | tcsetattr: heh. running a test program that does _exit(134) shows my prompt as "ABRT>wire(25):/usr/src/.... $" |
| 04:52.10 | shingouz | rking: have you checked out what the contura aero people do? |
| 04:52.25 | peterS | (I show non-zero exits in my prompt as a convenience) |
| 04:52.41 | JimButton | raspberry: i don't know, for some weird reason it is much faster to mark a region and export to .wav then to mark a region and play back the selection |
| 04:53.16 | roo9 | peterS: are you doing that in bash? |
| 04:53.30 | peterS | roo9: yessir |
| 04:53.36 | roo9 | peterS: how? |
| 04:53.51 | rking | shingouz: like installing linux on it? |
| 04:53.51 | raspberry | Jim, i just load CoolEdit on my laptop :P |
| 04:54.01 | shingouz | rking: http://www.ulihansen.kicks-ass.net/aero/index.htm |
| 04:54.06 | peterS | roo9: let me extract that bit of bashrc and send it to you |
| 04:54.14 | roo9 | peterS: cool, thanks :-) |
| 04:54.41 | shingouz | rking: like installing linux on it. Ulrich actually hosts that webpage on his *dsl off an aero 4/25 |
| 04:54.41 | tcsetattr | in zsh you could just say setopt print_exit_value |
| 04:54.58 | JimButton | raspberry: heh, i don't have anything else than linux on this ibook |
| 04:55.17 | peterS | roo9: ok the prompt-related bits are in http://p12n.org/tmp/bash_prompt |
| 04:55.24 | peterS | roo9: I'll let you figure out what they do (: |
| 04:55.27 | JimButton | raspberry: but i plan to buy a new desktop soon, that will solve all those problems i guess :) |
| 04:55.28 | nprice | hey i need some help, i'm getting "VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or unknown-block(3,1)" but i can't find where 301 is comifn grom |
| 04:55.33 | nprice | coming from |
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| 04:56.06 | tcsetattr | nprice, 0301 is the first partition on the primary master IDE device. Check out ls -l /dev/hda1 and notice the numbers 3 and 1 in the middle |
| 04:56.09 | raspberry | i'm going to try this rblsmtpd stuff |
| 04:56.10 | peterS | roo9: if you are curious about my use of the $STY variable, that's basically the "mutt" portion of a screen session started with "screen -S mutt" |
| 04:56.12 | roo9 | peters: cool :-) |
| 04:56.32 | peterS | roo9: (likewise with $WINDOW) |
| 04:56.40 | mwilson | hrm, office 2004 update |
| 04:56.44 | shingouz | rking: also a newsgroup hosted on another aero nntp://news.aisb.org aisb.lists.aero. a lot of information on the aeros there |
| 04:56.59 | nprice | ah |
| 04:56.59 | rking | shingouz: buncha danged ninjas |
| 04:57.02 | prjktdtnt | Ok I am running on amd64 and a package I need for kaffeine I could only locate in i386. Is there a way to convert it for amd64 distro? |
| 04:57.07 | shingouz | rking: thank you :) |
| 04:57.37 | rking | can parallel ports be used for data comm just like serial? |
| 04:57.40 | nprice | tcsetattr: hmm, i have hte first partition on the primary master as reiser, and as bootable, fstab entry looks correct - any ideas? |
| 04:57.58 | nprice | /dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail,noatime 0 1 |
| 04:58.02 | mwilson | rking: No, they can be used for data communication like parallel ports. |
| 04:58.08 | shingouz | rking: of course the concerto and the aeros are very similar internally, i think you should be able to gather a lot of information from the aero stuff and use it for the concerto. |
| 04:58.12 | tcsetattr | nprice, make sure the ide-disk driver is available, and the reiserfs module too... |
| 04:58.33 | shingouz | rking: yes |
| 04:58.54 | rking | shingouz: my plan exactly (re aero->concerto) |
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| 04:59.39 | shingouz | rking: arent those concertos tablets with a touch screen and detachable keyboard? |
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| 04:59.58 | rking | shingouz: yes, but all the pens are missing. |
| 05:00.23 | nprice | tcsetattr: they should be - it's a stock kernel |
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| 05:00.38 | shingouz | rking: just a plastic stylus or do they need some weird and wonderful electronics? |
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| 05:01.06 | shingouz | ah. fluck |
| 05:01.12 | rking | shingouz: i'm pretty sure something weird - i've never been able to get dead objects to do the trick. |
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| 05:01.44 | shingouz | http://penwin.stg.net/chris/cmpqpen.txt |
| 05:02.29 | debian_newbie88 | when I remote to another debian server with ssh. how to I get file from another server to my computer. |
| 05:02.33 | quik_ | I'm about to add an IDE harddrive to a debian box, how involved is the partitioning/formatting/installation process? |
| 05:03.12 | debian_newbie88 | my computer is Debian. |
| 05:03.19 | rking | shingouz: tempting. |
| 05:03.28 | shingouz | debian_newbie88: man scp |
| 05:03.43 | prjktdtnt | Ok I am running on amd64 and a package I need is only available in i386 is there a way to conver the .deb to an amd64 package? |
| 05:04.03 | tcsetattr | nprice, did you forget to load the initrd? |
| 05:04.38 | maher | debhelper: scp / sftp |
| 05:06.03 | maher | prjktdtnt: grab the deb source and build it with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:06.10 | Azar | it was said the new sarge installer would make it easier for new users... my friend said he can't get a connection. That's the easiest part I ever had with debian... |
| 05:06.25 | Azar | I have no freaking idea what the new installer looks like |
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| 05:07.24 | Guerin | Azar: what doe she connect to the internet with? |
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| 05:07.32 | foo | How can I find out if I am using alsa or oss? |
| 05:07.38 | Guerin | ahem, with what does he connect to the internet |
| 05:07.44 | Guerin | foo: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 05:07.52 | Azar | Guerin I just suggested him to trash slackware, he has only one machine running windows, and he uses dual boot |
| 05:08.01 | foo | debian:/home/notix# cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 05:08.01 | foo | cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
| 05:08.03 | foo | Guerin: && |
| 05:08.05 | Azar | he downloaded sarge from the net |
| 05:08.05 | foo | ^ |
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| 05:08.14 | vineet | foo: that means no alsa |
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| 05:08.20 | prjktdtnt | maher: thx but i managed to successfully built direcly from source (./configure, make, make install) thanks again though |
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| 05:08.26 | foo | vineet: oh, ok. So I am using OSS, right? Can I use alsa if I want ? |
| 05:08.27 | Guerin | foo: oss |
| 05:08.30 | foo | Guerin: thanks |
| 05:08.33 | Azar | he has a dhcp connection the freakin easiest to setup with debian |
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| 05:08.37 | RoundQube | when i run cat /proc/asound/cards i get -- no sound cards -- |
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| 05:08.46 | RoundQube | weird |
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| 05:09.08 | Guerin | Azar: RoundQube you're probably using an alsa-aware kernel, but without any cards set up |
| 05:09.09 | vineet | foo: most likely yes .. do you know what type of card you have? |
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| 05:09.25 | Azar | RoundQube may need to run modconf and assign a sound module |
| 05:09.26 | foo | vineet: Nope. On an IBM NetVista |
| 05:09.29 | RoundQube | is it alsa or oss thats deprecated now? |
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| 05:09.32 | Guerin | Azar: tell him to ask his ISP for support |
| 05:09.36 | Guerin | RoundQube: oss |
| 05:09.37 | RoundQube | Azar: sound is working for me though |
| 05:09.39 | vineet | RoundQube: alsa is active |
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| 05:09.44 | RoundQube | thanks |
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| 05:09.54 | Azar | Guerin his ISP does not help with linux questions |
| 05:10.21 | foo | Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
| 05:10.27 | foo | I try to place a song via mpg123 and get that |
| 05:10.27 | foo | hmm |
| 05:10.30 | Guerin | Azar: then he needs a new isp. DHCP is a standard protocol which should work with any client. |
| 05:10.33 | Azar | Guerin but with some info on gateway, and dns numbers he could fix it, I know I did it as newbie with no help |
| 05:10.49 | foo | alsa-init: no soundcards found: Success |
| 05:10.49 | prjktdtnt | what is a good player for WMV, MPG, etc? |
| 05:10.49 | foo | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 05:10.50 | foo | hmm |
| 05:10.56 | foo | Any ideas? |
| 05:11.05 | chealer | !tell prjktdtnt about wmv |
| 05:11.05 | Azar | Guerin, my ISP told me they wont assist me with linux either, but I made it |
| 05:11.17 | RoundQube | !tell RoundQube about wmv |
| 05:11.20 | maher | Azar: does his network card work with the install kernel? dhcp should just work - did he have the network cable plugged in at the start of the install? |
| 05:11.31 | chealer | prjktdtnt, the reference is probably down though |
| 05:11.37 | Azar | maher, he has same ethernet card type as I have |
| 05:11.49 | Guerin | Azar: tell him to boot windows and note the output of ipconfig /all, and set his connection up manually with those numbers. |
| 05:12.00 | RoundQube | are there some plugins for xmms that allow wma play? |
| 05:12.02 | Guerin | lastlog hannibal 10 |
| 05:12.07 | chealer | oh, it's up |
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| 05:12.15 | Guerin | bah, stupid / |
| 05:12.18 | maher | Azar: if the network cable wasn't plugged in at a certai point, dhcp gives up and you have to run it manually or just start the install again |
| 05:12.35 | chealer | RoundQube, something like that exists...perhaps ask #xmms |
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| 05:13.04 | RoundQube | chealer: thank you |
| 05:13.13 | roo9 | peterS: any idea how to get it to output a newline after it reports the code?? |
| 05:13.40 | peterS | roo9: eh? the promptstatus function? |
| 05:13.54 | prjktdtnt | chealer: thanks my question was phrased wrong. I had kaffeine but it kept running the installation wizard every time i opened it so i was wondering if there was any good media players (video) for the amd64 architecture of sarge? |
| 05:13.58 | concept10 | Excuse my ignorance, but what is it called when someone configures a domain in front of another for example www.google.com -> www.gmail.google.com |
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| 05:14.09 | roo9 | peters: yep |
| 05:14.17 | Azar | Guerin he has dhcp Debian would automatically detect his connection, at least it did with mine |
| 05:14.18 | concept10 | sub domain/? |
| 05:14.22 | RoundQube | concept10: yes |
| 05:14.25 | Guerin | concept10: a subdomain, or a third level domain |
| 05:14.40 | peterS | roo9: it already does print a newline. $PS1 absorbs this newline. if you want a newline in $PS1 you can put one in directly |
| 05:14.47 | Guerin | Azar: it SHOULD, but there's been one case already today where that wasn't true |
| 05:14.48 | Azar | maher he only connects with windows the debian side does not |
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| 05:14.56 | concept10 | IM wondering how I canfigure my own subdomains in apache2 |
| 05:15.02 | babyrobbe | :) |
| 05:15.10 | concept10 | keywords anyone? |
| 05:15.14 | maher | Azar: is he currently sitting in front of his computer booted to debian? |
| 05:15.16 | roo9 | peterS: except I only want a newline when it has an error :-( |
| 05:15.18 | Guerin | concept10: vhosts, but you need dns to point to them first |
| 05:15.19 | Azar | Guerin he might not have assigned a card module when he installed modconfig? |
| 05:15.21 | RoundQube | concept10: subdomains are configured as dns |
| 05:15.22 | vineet | concept10: name virtual host |
| 05:15.28 | Azar | errr modconfig would be the clue? |
| 05:15.31 | peterS | roo9: hmmm, not sure how best to arrange that. let me play with it a bit |
| 05:15.38 | Guerin | Azar: then it wouldn't even have tried to use a network device |
| 05:16.16 | concept10 | Guerin: RoundQube vineet: thanks guys, I will read about subdomains and vhosting... |
| 05:16.20 | chealer | RoundQube, there was once a xmms-wma, but I think you should look for avi-xmms now |
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| 05:16.22 | Azar | hmm when I install woody all connection configuration gets perfect... |
| 05:16.26 | peterS | roo9: now now |
| 05:16.35 | foo | How can I configure the driver my sound card uses? |
| 05:16.35 | RoundQube | chealer: great, thanks for the insight. I'll google. |
| 05:16.36 | Phated | Oooh, are we playing with peterS? |
| 05:16.40 | roo9 | :-) |
| 05:16.47 | peterS | arrrr, Phatey |
| 05:16.55 | Guerin | roo9: r u 9? |
| 05:17.01 | RoundQube | lol |
| 05:17.10 | roo9 | lol |
| 05:17.14 | Phated | Arrr! |
| 05:17.36 | Phated | But what about the OTHER one? |
| 05:18.05 | Phated | Eeeep. |
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| 05:18.33 | peterS | roo9: eh, for a moment I thought you said 9**(7/3) and was prepared to be impressed by both your mastery of fractional exponents and your advanced age |
| 05:18.44 | roo9 | lol peterS |
| 05:18.49 | Azar | foo find out the exact name of your sound device then run modconf and pick the module for it |
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| 05:18.54 | concept10 | tab browsing is the worst thing that has ever happened to me. |
| 05:19.13 | Azar | yeah tab looks silly |
| 05:19.35 | _mango_ | concept10: and why is that? |
| 05:19.36 | peterS | roo9: I'm not sure *how* to get a conditional newline into a prompt. a couple of approaches just failed me. |
| 05:19.46 | roo9 | peterS: me as well :-( |
| 05:19.51 | roo9 | peterS: thanks for trying |
| 05:20.08 | peterS | roo9: anyway, newlines in prompts are bad and evil. Bourne did not give us a shell so that we could profane it in that way |
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| 05:20.38 | roo9 | peterS: you know the default prompt on some OS'es have newlines, right? |
| 05:20.45 | peterS | roo9: I don't approve of those OSes |
| 05:20.47 | Azar | bash script would insert a C type newline to the prompt |
| 05:20.49 | concept10 | _mango_: because I read three times as many sites as before and remember nothing, I currently have about 25 tabs open |
| 05:20.54 | roo9 | lol, i have to use those oses for work :-) |
| 05:21.00 | pacman | PS1="READY.\n" |
| 05:21.01 | peterS | like what OSes are these, anyway? |
| 05:21.04 | peterS | ah, hehe |
| 05:21.07 | foo | Azar: This is what I have Integrated Intel(R) 82540EM LAN Chipset |
| 05:21.10 | roo9 | peterS: freebsd |
| 05:21.18 | action09 | huhu |
| 05:21.28 | peterS | tcsetattr, might've known you'd come up with that one |
| 05:21.35 | _mango_ | concept10: try lynx :) |
| 05:21.40 | Azar | foo good now you do a modconf and look where you can find something similar and pick it |
| 05:21.47 | Azar | links is better |
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| 05:22.00 | concept10 | _mango_: that was a good one :) |
| 05:22.02 | foo | debian:/home/notix# modconf |
| 05:22.02 | foo | bash: modconf: command not found |
| 05:22.06 | foo | Azar: ^^ |
| 05:22.21 | Azar | foo apt-get install modconf |
| 05:22.41 | Azar | .. as root.. |
| 05:22.43 | tcsetattr | foo, something called "LAN Chipset" is a sound device(!?) |
| 05:22.57 | foo | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 05:23.00 | foo | tcsetattr: :) |
| 05:23.01 | foo | I forgot |
| 05:23.03 | Azar | tcseattr, embedded chip |
| 05:23.04 | tcsetattr | hey, that looks more like it. |
| 05:23.53 | shingouz | !ac97 sound |
| 05:23.58 | shingouz | !ac97 |
| 05:23.58 | tcsetattr | that's probably an i810_audio |
| 05:23.58 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 05:24.02 | Azar | thats more likely :) |
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| 05:25.12 | kazzil | what permission do i change so a user cannot ls a dir? |
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| 05:25.18 | kazzil | but can still access files in it |
| 05:25.21 | peterS | kazzil: o-r |
| 05:25.22 | vineet | -r |
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| 05:25.33 | kazzil | ah, right, x lets em access |
| 05:25.34 | peterS | or bit 004 if you want to look at it that way |
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| 05:28.54 | prohna | i did apt-get install nicotine |
| 05:28.57 | prohna | and it went well |
| 05:29.05 | prohna | i ran nicotine once found that it would not connect |
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| 05:29.18 | kazzil | anyone have recommendations for queuing disciples to investigate beyond HTB/SFQ? |
| 05:29.19 | prohna | tried again the next day and it crashes as soon as it opens instantly |
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| 05:31.24 | TurffHogg | anybody in here with some legal knowledg? |
| 05:31.44 | Gnea | TurffHogg: on? |
| 05:31.45 | chealer | TurffHogg, all knowledge is illegal |
| 05:31.53 | kazzil | i could've sworn there was a #debian-legal, but theres not |
| 05:32.06 | TurffHogg | cause i mite be up shit creek |
| 05:32.09 | tcsetattr | we are all clueless illegal aliens |
| 05:32.26 | kazzil | damn i could've swonr there were a lot mroe queueing disciples |
| 05:32.40 | prohna | im of legal age |
| 05:32.48 | prohna | im sure everything i know is legal |
| 05:33.16 | Gnea | prohna: what if knowing it's legal is illegal? |
| 05:33.18 | maher | TurffHogg: don't worry - you can irc from jail... |
| 05:33.35 | kazzil | really? |
| 05:33.39 | kazzil | i suddenly feel much better |
| 05:33.40 | prohna | Gnea, then i better drink some bleach bang my head on a wall and get to forgettin |
| 05:33.51 | Zap-W | !find default8x16.pcf.gz |
| 05:33.55 | Gnea | prohna: there ya go |
| 05:34.06 | tcsetattr | well, I just installed and ran nicotine. It doesn't seem to be doing anything, but it's not crashing either. |
| 05:34.28 | prohna | mine wouldnt connect |
| 05:34.30 | tcsetattr | Zap-W, you mean .psf, not .pcf |
| 05:34.36 | prohna | the connect option was greyed out actually |
| 05:34.37 | Zap-W | !find vga11x19.pcf.gz |
| 05:34.42 | Zap-W | tcsetattr: default8x16.pcf.gz fonts.alias fonts.dir vga11x19.pcf.gz |
| 05:34.52 | prohna | i know i didnt change anything but now it wont open without crashing |
| 05:34.57 | Zap-W | in what package are these files ..i want to remove it |
| 05:35.04 | prohna | is there a way to uninstall it and maybe try and reinstall? |
| 05:35.13 | tcsetattr | ok then... I have a default8x16.psf.gz in console-data |
| 05:35.23 | jm_ | pcf is an X11 font |
| 05:35.27 | TurffHogg | i found this web site "learn security online" and it had this unixchallange and you gotta hack their site and first i did it there way but i am new to nix so i used a lil windows app and it crashed their server do ya think i could get into trouble? |
| 05:35.33 | Zap-W | jm_: in what package |
| 05:35.51 | prohna | TurffHogg, no way if they told you to do it |
| 05:36.11 | jm_ | Zap-W: dpkg should be able to find vga11x19 font (in two packages) |
| 05:36.18 | TurffHogg | not even if i didnt do it their way? |
| 05:36.24 | prohna | who knows man |
| 05:36.26 | maher | TurffHogg: life imprisonment with hard labour |
| 05:36.31 | Zap-W | it is stuck in Updating debian files... please wait. for half an hour |
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| 05:36.38 | TurffHogg | lol |
| 05:36.39 | prohna | TurffHogg, seriously if i were you id flee the country |
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| 05:36.51 | jm_ | Zap-W: so use apt-file |
| 05:36.54 | prohna | how do i uninstall a package? |
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| 05:36.57 | TurffHogg | lol |
| 05:37.03 | jm_ | as for default, it's called just 8x16.pcf.gz |
| 05:37.05 | Zap-W | already in progress |
| 05:37.10 | TurffHogg | i ant going no where |
| 05:37.18 | prohna | TurffHogg, cept prison |
| 05:37.24 | jm_ | ahh no both are provided by the same package, default8x16.pcf.gz and vga11x19.pcf.gz |
| 05:37.27 | Azar | prohna: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
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| 05:37.43 | jm_ | I remember vga.pcf.gz - very nice font, provided by Accelerated X commercial server |
| 05:37.53 | Zap-W | jm_: which is? |
| 05:38.07 | TurffHogg | i figure if i infect my system with a trogen then i cant be held liable |
| 05:38.24 | Zap-W | jm_: the package |
| 05:38.28 | jm_ | Zap-W: bitchx |
| 05:38.38 | prohna | TurffHogg, yea and do a lot of acid too |
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| 05:38.49 | TurffHogg | wait its back up |
| 05:38.49 | prohna | TurffHogg, that way if the trojan doesnt work you can plead insanity |
| 05:39.03 | Zap-W | ye..that bitch is gone |
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| 05:39.17 | jm_ | gone? it's in Woody |
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| 05:39.25 | TurffHogg | so im good right? |
| 05:39.33 | Zap-W | what you mean |
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| 05:39.44 | nprice | can anyone think of a reason why i'm having to manually "modprobe via-rhine" at each boot? |
| 05:39.45 | jm_ | heh I haven't yet upgraded to XFree86 shipped by Woody, I guess I have skipped some downloads now |
| 05:39.47 | Zap-W | is that why i am getting dpkg: error processing bitchx (--purge): |
| 05:39.48 | jm_ | sorry, I meant Sarge |
| 05:39.54 | SpinX | hi. im using 590mb of ram.. not really running much; http://pastebin.com/369692 is what i've got running. |
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| 05:39.58 | Zap-W | i am using sarge |
| 05:39.59 | jm_ | you're getting that error because of a bug in the package |
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| 05:40.33 | Zap-W | a bug ? in sarge? |
| 05:40.34 | exusny | I miss a bot named piggy can anyone point me in his direction? |
| 05:40.48 | exusny | *its |
| 05:40.51 | jm_ | no-one should think packages in Sarge have no bugs |
| 05:41.02 | jm_ | piggy only shows up if there are problems with other bots |
| 05:41.10 | SpinX | what would be eating all of my memory? |
| 05:41.18 | Zap-W | jm_: do you know the fix? |
| 05:41.28 | TurffHogg | it said to hack it but it doesnt say how really just how to login then when ya login you gotta find a shell |
| 05:41.31 | SpinX | using 697MB now :( |
| 05:41.35 | exusny | jm_: you do not know that for a fact |
| 05:41.50 | jm_ | Zap-W: not really, but it's usually trivial |
| 05:41.56 | vineet | SpinX: run top, then hit M |
| 05:41.59 | jm_ | exusny: if you say so |
| 05:42.04 | maher | SpinX: use top / memstat to investigate |
| 05:42.22 | SpinX | Xorg is 11.8 |
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| 05:43.02 | vineet | SpinX: look at the VIRT and RES columns |
| 05:43.08 | deadcat | 11.8? what are you on crack? |
| 05:43.19 | SpinX | %MEM 11.8 |
| 05:43.22 | vineet | I think he must mean 11.8% |
| 05:43.25 | deadcat | oh |
| 05:43.32 | jm_ | just 11%? no big deal then |
| 05:43.42 | SpinX | whats VIRT and RES? |
| 05:44.00 | vineet | it's all in the top man page |
| 05:44.07 | vineet | virt is the virtual process size |
| 05:44.08 | TurffHogg | would some of you take the unixchallange so my ip isnt the only one that shows up? |
| 05:44.10 | vineet | res is the resident size |
| 05:44.41 | jm_ | !tell spinx -about free ram |
| 05:44.48 | Zap-W | i have no X now |
| 05:44.59 | TurffHogg | the ip is 66.193.175.162 telnet login level1 pw level1 |
| 05:47.31 | TurffHogg | where is everyone? |
| 05:47.47 | deadcat | pub |
| 05:47.48 | tcsetattr | everyone hates you. |
| 05:47.54 | TurffHogg | why? |
| 05:48.06 | deadcat | free beer night at roy's |
| 05:48.12 | TurffHogg | lol |
| 05:48.53 | prohna | can someone point me to getting java to run? |
| 05:49.00 | nprice | Why do I have to manually "modprobe via-rhine" at each boot? |
| 05:49.07 | maher | prohna: use java-package |
| 05:49.14 | peterS | nprice: you can add a line 'via-rhine' to /etc/modules, that's what I'd do |
| 05:49.16 | prohna | apt-get ? |
| 05:49.26 | nprice | thanks |
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| 05:49.32 | peterS | np |
| 05:49.38 | maher | nprice: cos hotplug is broken in some way - either fix hotplug or add via-rhine to /etc/modules |
| 05:50.16 | nprice | maher: how would i go about finding the problem with hotplug |
| 05:50.42 | prohna | maher, how do i get the package? |
| 05:50.45 | maher | nprice: start by reading all the hotplug docs, then read all the hotplug scripts |
| 05:50.48 | seb- | help! i am in middle of messed up network install....i can't get X to work |
| 05:50.56 | seb- | i don't know packages are missing, etc. |
| 05:50.59 | seb- | i'm stuck |
| 05:51.01 | nprice | well hotplug is not installed |
| 05:51.03 | nprice | interesting |
| 05:51.05 | nprice | haha |
| 05:51.06 | maher | prohna: apt-get install java-package |
| 05:51.17 | maher | nprice: that might explain why it is not working... |
| 05:51.24 | prohna | maher, that turned up with nothing |
| 05:51.27 | Gnea | seb-: try starting over |
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| 05:51.32 | maher | seb-: does your network work? |
| 05:51.47 | Gokee2 | Hey all I need help compileing something.. It says "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" What do I do? |
| 05:51.49 | Azar | nprice, you speak of your ethernet card module? |
| 05:51.51 | TurffHogg | <maher> prohna: apt-get install java-package |
| 05:52.02 | Gnea | Gokee2: apt-get install xlibs-dev |
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| 05:52.16 | nprice | Azar: yes |
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| 05:52.21 | seb- | maher: i don't remember if network worked.......what do you do if your network install gives you all kinds of error 404 messages about packages it couldn't get? |
| 05:52.23 | Gokee2 | Gnea, Thank you! |
| 05:52.33 | buu_ | Ok, I just did an apt-get upgrade, it upgraded my sshd, now I can't remotely log in |
| 05:52.41 | seb- | maher: wait...network must have worked otherwise i couldn't have downloaded *anything* |
| 05:52.45 | Azar | nprice, thanks my friend had same problem let me know if you get a connection after installing it |
| 05:52.46 | TurffHogg | thats bull i installed it on my own i didnt know there was a pkg |
| 05:52.48 | Koffa | Gnea: shouldn't I be able to mount teh initrd.img? |
| 05:52.59 | nprice | ok thans |
| 05:52.59 | maher | seb-: that means either your network is broken or your sources.list is wrong - try apt-setup to fix the latter |
| 05:53.00 | Gnea | Koffa: yeah, on a loop device |
| 05:53.05 | Koffa | :/ |
| 05:53.09 | Gnea | ? |
| 05:53.12 | seb- | maher: you mean i chose a bad mirror? |
| 05:53.14 | prohna | apt-get install java-package comes back with nothing |
| 05:53.25 | TurffHogg | guess i should come here when i get out to get pkgs |
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| 05:53.47 | seb- | maher: i'll try apt-setup if that will let me chose a new mirror and try to repair it |
| 05:53.49 | Koffa | Gnea: ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 05:54.18 | maher | prohna: what did it say? |
| 05:54.24 | Gnea | Koffa: gah.. why not stick with your own kernel build? or just use make-kpkg to generate something you can use on multiple machines? |
| 05:54.30 | seb- | Gnea: can't expect all apt-get downloads to be successful right? how does debian recover from botched download? |
| 05:54.46 | Gnea | Koffa: seriously, i threw megaraid2 into the kernel and it found the raid array just fine |
| 05:54.49 | nprice | My machine is doing a full fsck on each reboot, any ideas why? |
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| 05:54.58 | Luiz_Ctba_Cam | hi! I from brazil. speak portuguese?? |
| 05:55.02 | prohna | "Couldnt find package java-package" |
| 05:55.03 | Gnea | Koffa: plus it was using it to boot from heh |
| 05:55.03 | maher | seb-: well it can't install packages if they didn't get downloaded... |
| 05:55.23 | Azar | !br |
| 05:55.23 | maher | !br |
| 05:55.23 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:55.33 | buu_ | Anyone happen to have an idea about sshd? |
| 05:55.48 | seb- | wow, brazilian channel,,, very cool |
| 05:55.52 | maher | prohna: do youhave contrib and non-free sources? |
| 05:55.52 | john | buu: depends what you need! |
| 05:56.00 | Koffa | Gnea: I'd just like to get rid of self-compiled ones, takes way too much of my time... |
| 05:56.06 | prohna | maher, what do you mean? |
| 05:56.07 | seb- | buu: ask fast |
| 05:56.16 | buu_ | Ok, I just did an apt-get upgrade, it upgraded my sshd, now I can't remotely log in. It says "connection refuseD |
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| 05:56.28 | buu_ | The box is up and fine, I can connect to other ports on the box |
| 05:56.31 | maher | prohna: look in /etc/apt/sources.list - replace "main" with "main contrib non-free" |
| 05:56.46 | seb- | buu_: you remote site may only allow certain host keys |
| 05:56.51 | Gnea | !tell Koffa about initrd |
| 05:56.53 | jm_ | !tell buu_ -about connection refused |
| 05:56.54 | buu_ | seb-: Um. No? |
| 05:56.59 | LesleyB | hello, been playing with menus via the update-menus command. Accordingto the manula in /usr/share/doc/menu/html, all package menu entries are defined in /usr/lib/menu but they may be overridden system wide in /etc/menu or at user level n ~/.menu. So I tried nulling out the kppp menu entry using 'echo -n > ~/.menu/kppp' to generate an empty file for that entry at user level. However update-menus looks first in ~/.menu, then /etc/men |
| 05:56.59 | LesleyB | u then /usr/lib/menu so how does it manage to ov erride the system settings with the required systemwide or user level settings? (I still get kppp appearing in the Apps/Net/KDE submenu) |
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| 05:57.06 | Gokee2 | Gnea, Is there also a easy fix to my next two problems. "configure: WARNING: libjpeg not found. disable JPEG support." and "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"? |
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| 05:57.14 | seb- | buu_: go to remote site and edit known_hosts file |
| 05:57.15 | Gnea | Koffa: there's also an initrd howto on www.tldp.org that i found useful as well when i was messing with it back in the day |
| 05:57.18 | peterS | Gokee2: learn about -dev packages |
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| 05:57.37 | Gokee2 | peterS How? |
| 05:57.45 | Gnea | Gokee2: yeah, same idea (install the -dev of what you need - just apt-cache search jpeg dev ) |
| 05:57.46 | peterS | Gokee2: like libjpeg62-dev and libqt3-mt-dev |
| 05:57.49 | prohna | maher, all the the "main"'s? |
| 05:57.49 | seb- | buu_: put your new public key there |
| 05:57.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell Gokee2 -about search |
| 05:58.06 | prohna | "...stable main" etc? |
| 05:58.21 | vineet | prohna: right, just add "contrib non-free" to the end |
| 05:58.33 | buu_ | seb-: Er, what? |
| 05:58.39 | Azar | prohna, I gave you the link you need to do your reading so you can understand how apt works: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 05:58.41 | Gokee2 | ok thanks |
| 05:58.45 | vineet | prohna: or just grab the package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package |
| 05:58.51 | buu_ | seb-: Why do I need to edit 'known_hosts' on the remote box? |
| 05:58.56 | maher | prohna: not on the security line |
| 05:59.06 | seb- | buu_: because that remote box only lets certain hosts in as clients |
| 05:59.16 | seb- | buu_: that is my guess |
| 05:59.22 | buu_ | seb-: It didn't *use* to |
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| 05:59.54 | maher | buu_: log in with ssh -vv and see if it says anything useful |
| 05:59.55 | seb- | buu_:you can also do "ssh -v remote-host.com" |
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| 06:00.07 | seb- | buu_: the -v or -vv will give you debug info |
| 06:00.16 | Gokee2 | "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libdv4-dev: Depends: libdv4 (= 0.103-2) but 0.103-woody2 is to be installed" Er what do I do here? |
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| 06:00.25 | buu_ | seb-: Hrm. I'm getting just getting |
| 06:00.36 | buu_ | "connection refused" |
| 06:00.59 | Gnea | buu_: heh |
| 06:01.04 | LesleyB | port number correct buu ? |
| 06:01.13 | nprice | Can anyone tell me what would cause reiserfsprogs to perform a full fsck on each boot? |
| 06:01.14 | LesleyB | ssh running on remote m/c? |
| 06:01.26 | buu_ | LesleyB: It's a bog standard sshd dude |
| 06:01.34 | buu_ | I did apt-get install ssh; it worked perfectly. |
| 06:01.36 | peterS | Gokee2: errr, you should have libdv4 and libdv4-dev in the same apt source. install both. |
| 06:01.39 | buu_ | I did upgrade, it stopped working |
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| 06:01.44 | buu_ | So what did apt-get upgrade change? |
| 06:01.51 | Guerin | ah, i'm such an evil teacher |
| 06:01.56 | Gnea | nprice: reiserfs sucks |
| 06:01.56 | peterS | Guerin? |
| 06:01.57 | LesleyB | check out the changelog? |
| 06:01.59 | Guerin | i just killed my student's tamagotchi |
| 06:02.04 | peterS | ha |
| 06:02.07 | nprice | Gnea: thanks for that bit of help |
| 06:02.09 | Guerin | not on purpose |
| 06:02.17 | Gnea | nprice: no seriously, reiserfs sucks |
| 06:02.22 | Guerin | just because I clicked the"medicine" button about 10 times |
| 06:02.22 | Gnea | and that's why |
| 06:02.24 | Gnea | :) |
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| 06:02.34 | peterS | is it true that Korean is not known to be related to any other languages? |
| 06:02.36 | nprice | Gnea: it's never done that on any machine i've ever used before |
| 06:02.40 | p8m | Gnea: What fs doesn't suck? |
| 06:02.44 | peterS | like none at all, except dialects of Korean itself? |
| 06:02.44 | Gokee2 | peterS? How? It says libdv4 is installed if I do apt-get install? |
| 06:02.51 | xixor | yo |
| 06:02.57 | Gnea | p8m: ext3, and sometimes xfs |
| 06:03.02 | nprice | UFS for the win. |
| 06:03.04 | maher | buu_: is this on stable? |
| 06:03.08 | Guerin | peterS: not true. It's a member of the Ural-Altaic family, related to mongolian, tukish, finnish and possibly hungarian |
| 06:03.09 | peterS | Gokee2: I wonder how you got into that situation. unless you've downgraded your system at some point... |
| 06:03.16 | Guerin | peterS: but very distantly so |
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| 06:03.26 | peterS | Guerin: weird, I saw something the other day that indicated it was a loner |
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| 06:03.45 | Gokee2 | peterS, I don`t know....... How do i fix it? |
| 06:03.47 | Guerin | peterS: there's traditionally been some argument about it, but i think it's mostly agreed upon now. |
| 06:03.48 | Gnea | nprice: i converted a slew of servers from reiserfs to ext3 and 3/4 of their problems went away |
| 06:04.01 | peterS | Guerin: I'll dig a bit more, maybe I was just misled |
| 06:04.09 | bcc | does netcat have a timeout for active connections? i need to transfer around 16G with it. will it work? |
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| 06:04.30 | babyrobbe | *jumpz* *jumpz* debian is running :) |
| 06:04.41 | buu_ | maher: Unfortunately, no. |
| 06:04.49 | p8m | Is ext3 backwards compatible with ext2? |
| 06:04.54 | Coke | bcc: why do you think it would have a timeout like that? |
| 06:05.00 | Guerin | peterS: the wikipedia article is reasonably balanced, from memory |
| 06:05.02 | peterS | Gokee2: libdv4 0.103-2 *really* should be available in the same place as libdv4-dev. I wonder why it is not. |
| 06:05.05 | jm_ | p8m: ext3 web page explains this |
| 06:05.05 | tcsetattr | netcat should be good for large amounts of data. You can't seek a socket, so 32-bit file offsets should not even matter. |
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| 06:05.13 | liable | buu_: maybe its not running? try nmapping the box maybe. |
| 06:05.17 | maher | buu_: the most recent ssh but one had a bug - i thought it only affected the client, but who knows |
| 06:05.24 | Guerin | peterS: my wife is an anthropologist who researched this tangentially for her last research |
| 06:05.33 | buu_ | liable: apparently it's refusing to rnu |
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| 06:05.38 | nprice | i'm trying to find the answer to a problem, not be told "your fs sucks" |
| 06:05.38 | buu_ | liable: run |
| 06:05.41 | Azar | nprice did you solved your issue? |
| 06:05.49 | nprice | one issue :) |
| 06:05.56 | nprice | still having reiserfs troubles |
| 06:06.08 | Azar | what about the card driver module? |
| 06:06.08 | liable | buu_: guess your fucked then.. :( |
| 06:06.09 | peterS | Guerin: so at one point it *was* thought to be an isolated language, but since then it's been demonstrated to be ancestrally related to mongolian et al? |
| 06:06.16 | nprice | Azar: installing hotplug fixed it |
| 06:06.31 | buu_ | liable: I've still got a ssh session connected to it |
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| 06:06.38 | Azar | nprice could you share , I have a friend stranded in same way |
| 06:06.48 | bcc | Coke: i don't know, i'm just trying to make sure. it would suck if i had to do it all over again |
| 06:06.55 | nprice | Azar: [01:07:10] nprice Azar: installing hotplug fixed it |
| 06:06.59 | Azar | oh damn he can't, he has no connection |
| 06:07.01 | nprice | oh |
| 06:07.02 | nprice | hmm |
| 06:07.14 | nprice | can you put the files and dependencies on a CD or something maybe |
| 06:07.17 | Coke | bcc: you do know that most FTP implementations has the resume feature? |
| 06:07.19 | roler | does apache have a problem as a server if it is behind a personal router yet port forwarding is turned on for port 80 to that box? |
| 06:07.20 | maher | buu: if you still have an ssh connection to the remote box just start a new server manually on a different port and see if it works... |
| 06:07.24 | Azar | woody to the rescue, at least I know how to guide him with woody seems sarge installer is buggy |
| 06:07.28 | Guerin | peterS: something like that. I don't think this is a really new discovery, except inasmuch as linguistic anthropology itself is fairly new. |
| 06:07.38 | nprice | azar or just add the name of the module to /etc/modules on a new line |
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| 06:07.42 | peterS | ahh |
| 06:07.49 | Azar | thanks nprice |
| 06:08.10 | bcc | Coke: i don't have ftp access there |
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| 06:08.33 | Coke | bcc: then give it to yourself |
| 06:08.37 | Guerin | peterS: it's also wrong of me to call it a discovery, since it's only one of a number of theories :) |
| 06:08.38 | babyrobbe | *grins* ... gentoo install 3 days ... debian ... 2hrs |
| 06:08.54 | peterS | Guerin: ahhh - so the relationship is distant enough that there *are* alternate points of view |
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| 06:10.37 | Guerin | peterS: definitely. One of the main sticking points is that korean superficially has more in common with unrelated (in the strict sense) languages like chinese and japanese, than it has with those languages it's supposedly related to. |
| 06:10.45 | LesleyB | nprice, might be worth going thru the boot up scr script? fscking done if /forcefsck exixts. You checked for this file?# |
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| 06:11.06 | babyrobbe | *google didn't help* ... how can i get the testing package list into aptitude to test around a bit? |
| 06:11.07 | LesleyB | that should have been the init.d/checkfs script ;) |
| 06:11.08 | nprice | LesleyB: which exact script should i look for? |
| 06:11.13 | nprice | LesleyB: ah thanks |
| 06:11.17 | LesleyB | see above :) |
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| 06:11.45 | nprice | LesleyB: checkfs and checkroot were there :) |
| 06:11.47 | nprice | thanks |
| 06:11.55 | LesleyB | np :) |
| 06:13.03 | LesleyB | but don't forget to keep the originals if you want to edit those file (in case you fsck up ;) ) |
| 06:13.10 | nprice | i just -x'ed them |
| 06:13.17 | nprice | :) |
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| 06:13.53 | buu_ | Anyone have an idea how I could regenerate my host keys correctly? |
| 06:14.00 | buu_ | I seem to recall being the problem last time? |
| 06:14.08 | jm_ | man ssh-keygen |
| 06:14.17 | jm_ | so yes, some people have an idea |
| 06:14.37 | buu_ | jm_: Could that possibly screw an existing ssh conneciton? |
| 06:14.38 | roler | does apache have a problem as a server if it is behind a personal router yet port forwarding is turned on for port 80 to that box? |
| 06:14.48 | jm_ | buu_: did you read what dpkg has told you about connection refused? |
| 06:15.06 | buu_ | jm_: You mean the fact that my syn packet was refused? Yeah. Helpful. |
| 06:15.12 | buu_ | jm_: Apparently ssh has stopped running completely. |
| 06:15.23 | peterS | buu_: the reason it will have done that will be in your syslog, most likely |
| 06:15.26 | jm_ | buu_: there you go |
| 06:15.33 | jm_ | so check logs, run it in debug mode, ... |
| 06:15.36 | buu_ | peterS: Nothing in syslog =/ |
| 06:15.41 | tcsetattr | buu, have you tried starting it up again? |
| 06:15.47 | buu_ | tcsetattr: yes |
| 06:15.51 | tcsetattr | sometimes you have to ask the obvious |
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| 06:16.06 | maher | buu_: use netstat -pant to see if its listening on port 22 - what happedned when you started sshd manually on a different port? |
| 06:16.09 | kazzil | how do i iterate through a string whic is a list of items? |
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| 06:16.17 | buu_ | Ahah! In super debug mode, I can connect! |
| 06:16.20 | kazzil | MYSTRING = "1 2 10 15" |
| 06:16.32 | kazzil | there's some rediculously easy way to for loop that |
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| 06:16.44 | tcsetattr | what language is that, kazzil? |
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| 06:16.52 | kazzil | sh, maybe bash |
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| 06:16.58 | tcsetattr | it can't be sh, because in sh you don't put spaces around the = sign in an assignment. |
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| 06:17.01 | jm_ | kazzil: read ABS |
| 06:17.02 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.49 | jm_ | coywolf: try top |
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| 06:18.31 | coywolf | jm_, i want to list all processes on cpuN |
| 06:18.52 | jm_ | coywolf: that's perfectly fine with me |
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| 06:19.50 | kazzil | ugg, ABS lists for number in `echo $MYSTRING` as the "solution" |
| 06:19.53 | jm_ | or check if there are other tools for this in sched-utils, I think van Riel maintains that |
| 06:19.54 | tcsetattr | coywolf, processes are not generally "stucK" to a specific CPU, unless you do it manually |
| 06:19.54 | kazzil | i know there's a cleaner way |
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| 06:21.23 | chello | i mounted windows partition on my linux.now i need to add permission to a normal user read the windows directory.how do i do that? |
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| 06:21.50 | jm_ | appropriate mount options |
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| 06:22.14 | coywolf | how to bind one process to some cpu? tcsetattr |
| 06:22.34 | jm_ | like I said, try sched-utils |
| 06:22.40 | kazzil | in a shell script, how do i break apart a variable 20:4 into the nubmers 20 and 4? |
| 06:22.51 | kazzil | sed gods, head my cry! |
| 06:22.51 | tcsetattr | I dunno, coywolf... google for "processor affinity" |
| 06:22.52 | quik_ | how do I tell if debian has found the new harddrive I just installed/ |
| 06:22.54 | jm_ | kazzil: read abotu IFS |
| 06:23.06 | quik_ | will it appear/not appear in /dev/hda1 or something? |
| 06:23.09 | kazzil | ok, i got advanced bash scripting as ABS, but what is IFS? |
| 06:23.20 | chello | how do i have acess as a normal user to windows directory already mounted in my linux? |
| 06:23.26 | jm_ | it will be mentioned by your shell's man page |
| 06:23.36 | quik_ | how do I call that? |
| 06:23.50 | tcsetattr | IFS is the input field separator. You probably shouldn't mess with it. |
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| 06:24.21 | jm_ | quik_: that wasn't for you |
| 06:24.27 | peterS | kazzil: tcsetattr is right, don't mess with IFS. use ${foo%:*} and ${foo#*:} |
| 06:24.29 | quik_ | :) |
| 06:24.42 | peterS | kazzil: ABS will explain those, I should imagine |
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| 06:24.54 | jm_ | and yes, there's a cleaner way without using `echo $FOO` - it's explained under word splitting section in your shell's man page and how to achieve it |
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| 06:25.31 | chello | how do do i give permission to a normal user to access windows directory already mounted in my linux? |
| 06:25.38 | jm_ | if ABS doesn't cover that, then someone should tell the feller about it ;) |
| 06:25.49 | jm_ | chello: use appropriate mount options |
| 06:26.04 | tcsetattr | chello, man mount already! |
| 06:26.07 | Nielsen | chello: yeah. mount options, like gid, and permissions |
| 06:26.10 | chello | jm.can u tell me the appopriate options? |
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| 06:26.31 | jm_ | chello: no, I don't know what's appropriate for you - "/msg dpkg vfatrw" to get an idea |
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| 06:27.00 | babyrobbe | :( ... do all debian mirrors have testing packages? (tried to change sources.list to testing main) but then the list file can't be found :( |
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| 06:27.51 | Nielsen | babyrobbe: show me the entire line |
| 06:28.15 | babyrobbe | deb http://debian.inode.at/debian/ testing main |
| 06:28.33 | drtr | How do i disable sending NUL character in sendmail |
| 06:28.37 | drtr | any help |
| 06:29.06 | tcsetattr | oh, there's gotta be a good story behind that one. |
| 06:29.21 | Nielsen | babyrobbe: hmm it look alright to me, ill just test it on my server |
| 06:29.43 | jm_ | why aren't you using ftp.at.debian.org ? |
| 06:29.47 | babyrobbe | AAA AA AAAAAA it works |
| 06:29.56 | babyrobbe | i've had to refresh the list manually :) |
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| 06:30.10 | mwilson | jm_: If everyone used that one, then no one would be able to use that one. |
| 06:30.17 | jm_ | mwilson: heh |
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| 06:30.25 | jm_ | like the security server *g* |
| 06:30.35 | Nielsen | babyrobbe: apt-get update :D |
| 06:30.37 | buu | maher: If I do: /usr/sbin/sshd -f /etc/ssh/sshd_config -D; it works |
| 06:30.48 | buu | maher: If I leave off the -D, it just returns 0 |
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| 06:31.03 | tcsetattr | buu, it backgrounds itself. |
| 06:31.10 | Nielsen | buu: it forks? |
| 06:31.14 | buu | tcsetattr: Yes, it returns to the prompt and doesn't listen on port 22 |
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| 06:31.19 | Nielsen | what tcsetattr sid |
| 06:31.26 | Nielsen | hmmm |
| 06:31.48 | buu | Anyway |
| 06:32.02 | drtr | How do i disable sending NUL character in sendmail |
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| 06:32.13 | coywolf | tcsetattr, any userland tool to do processor affinity in debian? |
| 06:32.23 | babyrobbe | Nielsen: ... but there is no kde 3.4 in testing ;)) |
| 06:32.28 | tcsetattr | coywolf, why don't you check out schedutils as has been mentioned several times |
| 06:32.47 | Nielsen | babyrobbe: i wouldnt know... i got blackbox |
| 06:32.52 | babyrobbe | hihi :) |
| 06:32.57 | babyrobbe | Nielsen: /me is lazy ;)) |
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| 06:33.08 | condon | Would anyone in here have the time to help a newb get online (with road runner) |
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| 06:35.13 | condon | Does anyone know what 'PXE-E51: No DHCP or proxyDHCP offers were received' on boot might indicate |
| 06:35.38 | fireba11 | condon: sounds obvious to me |
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| 06:35.43 | Om | condon, more or less what it says? |
| 06:35.53 | fireba11 | morning everyone |
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| 06:35.56 | condon | I get that, but how do I fix it? |
| 06:35.59 | renga | does enyone know why I can't install in a ol machine |
| 06:36.00 | Om | mornin' |
| 06:36.01 | renga | ? |
| 06:36.05 | mwilson | condon: Gee, probably exactly what the words mean. What makes you think it's broken? |
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| 06:36.24 | fireba11 | condon: well .. it expects a DHCP somewhere .. if you got none you should set NIC to a fixed adress |
| 06:36.27 | mwilson | condon: If you didn't want to use PXE boot on your machine, why did you turn it on? |
| 06:36.31 | Om | Check you either have a working DHCP server or your network interface is set up not to use it. |
| 06:36.38 | fireba11 | renga: details ?? |
| 06:36.55 | maher | condon: you probably don't want to net boot your machine off of road runner's nework.. |
| 06:37.21 | condon | maher: what do I want to do, terribly sorry, very new to this, just trying to get online with the box |
| 06:37.21 | debian_newbie88 | Now I install apache but not have mysql. How to install mysql on computer? |
| 06:37.44 | mwilson | condon: What does enabling PXE boot have to do with getting on-line with the box? Other than nothing at all? |
| 06:37.45 | deadcat | debian_newbie88: apt-cache search mysql |
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| 06:37.57 | Om | debian_newbie88, apt-cache search mysql |
| 06:38.09 | Om | Blah, I'm slow this morning :\ |
| 06:38.15 | deadcat | very |
| 06:38.21 | condon | I don't know, mwilson, as I said I'm very new, I have no idea what any of you have said. This is just how this installation came setup when I installed it |
| 06:38.25 | debian_newbie88 | I found many file |
| 06:38.26 | condon | don't know how to configure it |
| 06:38.39 | maher | condon: what does it do after the pxe message? |
| 06:38.40 | deadcat | debian_newbie88: pick one that sounds right |
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| 06:39.01 | jm_ | deadcat: you're such an optimist ;) |
| 06:39.02 | mwilson | condon: No, actually, it's NOT how it came setup when you installed it, because what you might or might not have installed on the box has ZERO to do with whatever you've configured in the BIOS. |
| 06:39.09 | deadcat | jm_: (= |
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| 06:39.20 | fireba11 | condon: default is for the NIC to try and search the network for a DHCP server .. e.g. a server that assings network adresses. the message says there is none, so you probably have to set the network adress manually |
| 06:39.31 | condon | maher: just clears the screen then boots up normally. |
| 06:39.35 | mwilson | fireba11: Oh? How do you figure? |
| 06:39.43 | debian_newbie88 | thanks |
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| 06:39.50 | mwilson | condon: Turn off PXE boot. |
| 06:39.53 | condon | fireba11: alright, how do I find out what to set it to? |
| 06:39.57 | fireba11 | mwilson: message says no dhcp found ? |
| 06:40.03 | condon | mwilson: that be in the bios settings? |
| 06:40.15 | maher | condon: umm... so what's the problem? (turn off net boot/pxe in bios at some point anyway) |
| 06:40.18 | mwilson | fireba11: You have no idea how netboot works or even what it is, right? |
| 06:40.34 | mwilson | condon: Sure. In the same place where you turned it on in the first place. |
| 06:40.37 | fireba11 | condon: the PXE boot is a boot is a bios setting .. check your hardware manual for that |
| 06:40.38 | renga | fireball: is a pentium mmx 233 98mb memory and a 60gb hd |
| 06:40.45 | deadcat | maher: notice zd1201 in 2.6.13 today. thats what you have right? |
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| 06:41.02 | fireba11 | renga: still not helpful .. yougetting any error message |
| 06:41.28 | tcsetattr | condon, any errors you get before Linux even starts up, are not Linux errors! |
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| 06:41.35 | maher | deadcat: yup - does it even work for the usb devices which don't conform to spec? |
| 06:41.39 | fireba11 | mwilson: sorry, didn't notice it was a bios message ^^ |
| 06:41.49 | tcsetattr | at worst they could be LILO errors... but not in this case. |
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| 06:42.17 | deadcat | maher: no clue |
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| 06:42.55 | maher | deadcat: well - i found a usb device what works with an m-a supported module, so I'm all sorted... |
| 06:43.07 | condon | maher: under boot in my BIOS settings, I've got Built-in LAN, is that the netboot/pxe? making it last in line should solve the problem? |
| 06:43.14 | deadcat | maher: cool. |
| 06:43.27 | TummyAcid | anyone here know how i can use grub to boot my forgotton winxp partiton after another distro cremated my bootsector? |
| 06:43.36 | maher | condon: yes - in fact you probably don't want to boot off the network at all |
| 06:43.36 | TummyAcid | ive got it installed and im at the grub terminal |
| 06:43.37 | mwilson | condon: No, making it last will more than likely stop the message. It's not a "problem". |
| 06:43.39 | fireba11 | condon: you should't try to boot of network at all if you don't know what it does |
| 06:43.43 | renga | fireball, the problem is when runing the debian installer it sais one of the install processes can't be finish |
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| 06:43.56 | jm_ | TummyAcid: GRUB manual explains how to boot DOS/Windows |
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| 06:44.19 | fireba11 | renga: and what install processes might that be ? the actuall message could be helpful |
| 06:44.21 | condon | ok, so that probably had nothing to do with my inabuility to get online, just a snag in the boot, correct? |
| 06:44.25 | madradrone | does anyone know of a solution whereby i can proxy all http requests from one box behind a firewall over an ssl-encrypted connection through some other remote system? |
| 06:44.31 | tcsetattr | I guess this is why PeeCee makers didn't bother offering netboot for a long time... they knew it would confuse the sheeple. |
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| 06:44.44 | maher | condon: yes |
| 06:44.49 | tcsetattr | madradrone, what's the point? |
| 06:44.49 | The_Vulture | madradrone: sure, could setup a VPN easily enough |
| 06:45.01 | The_Vulture | then have the proxy address be the remote host through the VPN |
| 06:45.05 | mwilson | condon: It has nothing to do with your inability to get on-line, and no, it's not a snag in the boot, it's doing exactly what it's supposed to. |
| 06:45.07 | The_Vulture | *cringe* |
| 06:45.13 | maher | tcsetattr: how many home users are going to be using netboot anyway? |
| 06:45.22 | condon | So where should I start in trying to figure out how to get this blasted thing to recognize the internet connection? |
| 06:45.30 | steve | msg dpkg java |
| 06:45.53 | condon | DHCP client? |
| 06:45.54 | mwilson | Installers, that it. |
| 06:45.58 | mwilson | s/it/is/ |
| 06:46.01 | tvn | I like to 'clear' my terminal when I log out ... would a echo "clear" > ~/.bash_logout do it ? |
| 06:46.01 | renga | fireball, its when it is starting to copy all information right after partitioning |
| 06:46.02 | madradrone | The_Vulture: that's what i thought. thanks. |
| 06:46.16 | fireba11 | condon: tell us what internet connection you have first so we can try and figure out whats wrong could be an idea |
| 06:46.16 | mwilson | Oh, and stuff like SMB and memtest86, too. |
| 06:46.18 | maher | mwilson: you don't count as home user - most people don't even have more than one computer |
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| 06:46.47 | Gnea | mwilson: i did that a couple times, then they got zapped and i forgot how to do that again (for x86) i thought it was nearly the same as sparc, but i guess i was wrong |
| 06:46.48 | jm_ | tvn: man bash, read section FILES |
| 06:46.59 | fireba11 | renga: you made sure your hardware is okay ? |
| 06:47.00 | mwilson | I have RiP down at the church, too. :) |
| 06:47.01 | condon | fireba11: Road Runner |
| 06:47.05 | Nwallins | mwilson: by 'on netboot' do you mean you have a server serving these startup images? what's the setup? |
| 06:47.13 | condon | SBV4200 surfboard modem, if that's any help |
| 06:47.13 | mwilson | Nwallins: Of course. |
| 06:47.23 | fireba11 | condon: what ? |
| 06:47.25 | Nwallins | which pkgs? sounds cool |
| 06:47.31 | maher | condon: is it a usb or cat5 connection? |
| 06:47.39 | renga | fireball, I tried all change hard drive, install in another computer with the same hard drive |
| 06:47.46 | condon | Cat5 |
| 06:47.58 | renga | fireball, in all cases it gives me the same error |
| 06:48.01 | condon | also have a switch if it's necessary |
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| 06:48.15 | fireba11 | renga: tried another CD ? :-) |
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| 06:48.30 | Morti | Anyone know how to use the .forward file (exim4)? |
| 06:48.33 | mwilson | Nwallins: Packages? No packages... my oBSD box handles it. |
| 06:48.39 | jm_ | Morti: yes, many people do |
| 06:48.44 | fireba11 | Morti: man forward |
| 06:48.46 | Morti | Anyone in here? |
| 06:48.48 | condon | fireba11: you asked what internet connection I'm using, Road Runner via cat5 |
| 06:48.58 | Morti | No manual entry for forward |
| 06:49.02 | jm_ | exim4 docs explain how to do it and the alternative formats available |
| 06:49.03 | fireba11 | condon: okay .. the cat5 part is the important thing :-) |
| 06:49.21 | Nwallins | mwilson: what software do you configure to get that behavior? |
| 06:49.47 | Morti | I have a number of if statements to work out where emails should be forwarded, but how do I do a sort of "catch all" so if emails aren't delivered elsewhere they go somewhere? |
| 06:49.51 | jm_ | Nwallins: read network boot howto |
| 06:49.52 | renga | fireball, yes and one gives me the same error an with another tells me in 7% of copy process "cant download something" |
| 06:50.03 | Nwallins | jm_: ok, thanks |
| 06:50.20 | fireba11 | Morti: you usually don't use forward for this |
| 06:50.25 | maher | condon: it probably uses dhcp - do you know how to set up debian to use dhcp? |
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| 06:50.34 | Azar | I am reading an old tutorial on how to fix a connection on a new install, is this sentence applying to Sarge as well? : "If you have extremely new (which means: less than two years old) hardware, then it's quite possible that the woody installer doesn't have any kernels which can handle your NIC" |
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| 06:50.40 | notPoncha | how can i force reinstall of earlier ver of some package ? |
| 06:50.42 | Morti | fireba11: What would I use? Bearing in mind I don't have root on this machine. |
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| 06:51.00 | renga | fireball, I have 3 cds 2 gives me the same error and the other tells me that about some download |
| 06:51.15 | condon | maher: not a clue, I used dhcpcd (or something like that) with the slackware installation I used to have, but doesn't seem to work on this installation of debian |
| 06:51.20 | nkuttler | poncha|work: of course you have to change your name before you get an answer... |
| 06:51.25 | Azar | Sarge comes with a 2.4 kernel as well, is it possible that a newer NIC can't be handled? |
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| 06:51.40 | poncha|work | nkuttler, sorry... i just notice wrong nick after asked :) |
| 06:52.04 | nkuttler | poncha|work: man dpkg, /msg dpkg snapshot if you don't have the package |
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| 06:52.24 | poncha|work | nkuttler, ok thanks |
| 06:52.46 | condon | How do I configure dhcp with debian? |
| 06:52.49 | nkuttler | Azar: possibly, nothing prevents you from building a newer though |
| 06:52.55 | mwilson | oooh, someone's set up DSL to PXEboot |
| 06:53.00 | nkuttler | condon: server or client? be precise. |
| 06:53.03 | mwilson | Hm, might replace RiP with that. |
| 06:53.10 | condon | server, I believe |
| 06:53.14 | nkuttler | condon: you believe? |
| 06:53.21 | Azar | nkuttler, maybe but not for a person who sees Debian for the first time |
| 06:53.22 | condon | have it installed on my laptop, trying to get my laptop online |
| 06:53.24 | Morti | Anyone know how to do a catch all for emails not caught and delivered by if statements in .forward? |
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| 06:53.34 | jm_ | mort__: ask in #exim |
| 06:53.35 | Azar | This is most especially true for integrated NIC chipsets in motherboards such as nvidia's nforce. In that case, you may need to install without network support (and build a custom kernel later), or find a net install image that has a kernel which will work with your hardware. |
| 06:53.39 | jm_ | Morti ^^^^^ |
| 06:53.39 | Morti | jm_: Thanks. |
| 06:53.40 | condon | yes, nkuttler, I believe, don't know much about Linux |
| 06:53.42 | bob2 | condon: then client. /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 06:54.12 | Azar | is there a net install that has a kernel who will work with a newer ethernet card? |
| 06:54.32 | maher | condon: is your laptop booted to debian and plugged into the network as we speak? |
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| 06:55.10 | condon | booted to debian, not plugged in |
| 06:55.12 | Azar | how come the guy said slackware autodetected his card and network configuration and Sarge installer does not? |
| 06:55.27 | Nielsen | condon: the DHCP server is the one handing the IP to the dhcp client... since you need an IP, you must be the client |
| 06:55.29 | ke6isf | My God. There are so many buzzwords in there my monitor is still shaking. |
| 06:55.56 | nkuttler | Nielsen: you assume there has to be some dhcpd on the net |
| 06:56.05 | nkuttler | Azar: which kernel version does your nic need? |
| 06:56.12 | Nielsen | nkuttler: yeah |
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| 06:56.57 | TummyAcid | what would be a good prog for making graphs for my biology lab? |
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| 06:57.07 | dondelelcaro | TummyAcid: gnumeric, gnuplot, or R |
| 06:57.10 | nkuttler | TummyAcid: gri is nice |
| 06:57.16 | jm_ | TummyAcid: ploticus |
| 06:57.25 | Nielsen | gimp! :D |
| 06:57.32 | Guerin | pencil |
| 06:57.35 | Nielsen | lol |
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| 06:57.49 | kazzil | how do i attach a queuing disciple to a classless queue? |
| 06:58.01 | TummyAcid | it would be super cool if i could enter the data on a command line then generate a .pdf i could take to school and print on school computers hehe |
| 06:58.12 | TummyAcid | all from the terminal |
| 06:58.13 | maher | kazzil: don't you mean discipline not disciple |
| 06:58.14 | bob2 | kazzil: #lartc on irc.oftc.net is probably a better place for leet routing questions |
| 06:58.20 | steve | dpkg: tell me bout " install java " |
| 06:58.20 | dondelelcaro | TummyAcid: yes, you can do that using R if you wanted to |
| 06:58.22 | kreg | i got a host on a network here continuously sending "microsof-ds" to 147.246.117.82 |
| 06:58.23 | bob2 | kazzil: (assuming this is routing and not serial stuff) |
| 06:58.30 | kreg | wtf is 147.246.117.82 ? |
| 06:58.32 | kazzil | yeah, routing |
| 06:58.39 | nkuttler | kreg: an ip? |
| 06:58.48 | kreg | ya but it looks like DoD |
| 06:59.03 | chello | can someoen tell me how do i run wine?i mean,whats the command i should run at the terminal console? |
| 06:59.05 | bob2 | microsoft-ds is CIFS |
| 06:59.10 | bob2 | just filter that port in and out entirely |
| 06:59.15 | bob2 | chello: wine blah.exe |
| 06:59.15 | Furio_G | chello: wine |
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| 06:59.20 | xDCDx | hello |
| 06:59.21 | xDCDx | what's the smallest Linux bootable CD that will allow me to read files from an unbootable Win XP NTFS partition and let me burn them to CD or copy them to a USB drive? |
| 06:59.21 | kreg | isn't microsoft-ds port 445 ? |
| 06:59.28 | kreg | i don't allow 445 outbound or inbound |
| 06:59.29 | Guerin | steve: /msg dpkg install java |
| 06:59.29 | Gnea | kreg: yeah |
| 06:59.30 | bob2 | yes |
| 06:59.33 | kreg | hmmmm |
| 06:59.43 | bob2 | kazzil: er |
| 06:59.43 | steve | ok |
| 06:59.44 | bob2 | erm |
| 06:59.45 | bob2 | kreg: er |
| 06:59.48 | Gnea | damn worms keep crawling around |
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| 06:59.52 | Morti | xDCDx: Don't know about smallest but I think I've used the Ubuntu LiveCD for that. |
| 06:59.53 | bob2 | kreg: do a whois on that ip |
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| 07:00.02 | Furio_G | xDCDx: Dman Small Linux. 50meg, dont know if you can burn but you can mount a usb stick |
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| 07:00.06 | Nielsen | xDCDx: i got a 50 mb version of knoppix called damnsmalllinux |
| 07:00.14 | xDCDx | thanks guys |
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| 07:00.18 | Guerin | xDCDx: dsl or the ultimate bootcd should do |
| 07:00.27 | condon | xDCDx: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php |
| 07:00.29 | Gnea | xDCDx: www.damnsmalllinux.org |
| 07:00.41 | condon | there's an extensive list there, states all the ins and outs of each |
| 07:00.43 | Nielsen | xDCDx: and good luck |
| 07:01.00 | chello | Furio6 i need to put parameters in order to run wine.I can run it just typing wine at the termonal |
| 07:01.01 | kreg | bob2, i did, which is why the concern |
| 07:01.10 | xDCDx | thanks |
| 07:01.10 | xDCDx | the ultimate boot CD homepage looks weird :P |
| 07:01.14 | bob2 | kreg: ah |
| 07:01.15 | kreg | bob2, and i don't know how they managed to leave here on port 445 |
| 07:01.24 | Furio_G | chello: what bob2 said. wine program.exe |
| 07:01.28 | Gnea | kreg: worm. |
| 07:01.42 | chello | ill try that |
| 07:01.53 | bob2 | kreg: hm |
| 07:02.13 | liable | FBI are watching you....:P |
| 07:02.19 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:02.38 | Gnea | it's a propogating worm that infects windows hosts |
| 07:02.54 | jm_ | the old signoff message found in Phoenix (or was it Gargoyle) seems appropriate -- "Shit, cops at my door!" |
| 07:03.05 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:03.18 | Gnea | it establishes something there, portscans known networks that the host knows about and automagically exploits them |
| 07:03.28 | mwilson | http://dev.brantleyonline.com/wiki/index.php/PXE_Booting_Index |
| 07:03.41 | Furio_G | Debian says it has a large repository. Is this the same for Debian clones(Ubuntu, MEPIS in particular)? Ubuntu is giving me problems and I think debian might be too hard for me. Should I give MEPIS a go or don't they have lots of packages? |
| 07:04.01 | drtr | How do i disable sending NUL character in sendmail |
| 07:04.14 | fireba11 | Furio_G: am curious .. why do you think debian would be too hard for you ? |
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| 07:04.22 | Nafed | anyone used pureftpd before? |
| 07:04.24 | Gnea | Furio_G: what's hard? |
| 07:04.26 | streuner | Furio_G: why do you ask that in #debian? |
| 07:04.38 | Gnea | !tell Nafed about ask |
| 07:04.40 | Furio_G | fireba11: I was told to stay away because I've only been using linux for like a month |
| 07:04.48 | mwilson | Furio_G: What's "lots of packages" mean? Isn't it much more important that it have whatever packages you need to use? |
| 07:04.55 | dannyp | huh, is it possible to use strict source routing to route, say, an ICMP echo around the world? (assuming no TTL problemS) |
| 07:05.06 | Gnea | Furio_G: you don't have to install ALL of them |
| 07:05.15 | Gnea | wow |
| 07:05.19 | Gnea | dpkg took a shit |
| 07:05.22 | fireba11 | Furio_G: if you are willing to learn and read some manuals bevore trying to set something up that could do :-) |
| 07:05.30 | tcsetattr | source routing? does anyone really support that? |
| 07:05.31 | concept10 | she should design the debian website: http://www.two-snaps.com/ |
| 07:05.49 | dannyp | tcsetattr: they do if they support the adopted IP standard |
| 07:06.30 | dannyp | ... but I suppose that's largely my question |
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| 07:06.47 | Nafed | im running debian and pure-ftpd, now i issued "pure-pwconvert" to convert my system users to ftpd users but its still not letting me log in with a system account login.. any idea what im doing wrong? |
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| 07:07.13 | tcsetattr | just because RFC791 hasn't been completely replaced, does not mean that everything in it is still considered wise. |
| 07:07.17 | dannyp | because if I can route an ICMP echo to a computer 5 feet away from me around the world, that would be awesome. it's akin to some of the trunk stacking tricks with blueboxing |
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| 07:07.31 | dannyp | I didn't ask if it were wise |
| 07:07.34 | dannyp | I asked if it would work |
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| 07:08.55 | tcsetattr | well, I'm not a big authority on routers, but I doubt you'll find any that support source routing, it being clearly an insane feature |
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| 07:09.57 | kazzil | how do i get an interfaces mtu? any ideas how to discover my DSL's mtu? |
| 07:10.16 | dondelelcaro | kazzil: in most cases it should be set automatically. 1500 is a reasonable setting. |
| 07:10.17 | jm_ | ifconfig tells you |
| 07:10.35 | kazzil | ah ha! thanks. |
| 07:10.36 | tcsetattr | kazzil, ifconfig shows your current MTU, and lets you change it. As far as discovering what value you _should_ put there, ask your ISP perhaps? |
| 07:10.40 | Nafed | im running debian and pure-ftpd, now i issued "pure-pwconvert" to convert my system users to ftpd users but its still not letting me log in with a system account login.. any idea what im doing wrong?? |
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| 07:10.56 | kazzil | dondelelcaro: it has some influence on my packet queueing endeavours |
| 07:11.04 | dannyp | "Just about any firewall will block any packet that has source routing enabled by default." |
| 07:11.07 | dannyp | oh well. |
| 07:11.22 | dannyp | but it does seem like the routers would do it, if the packet wasn't filtered out |
| 07:11.25 | marco | hello all, I'm new here but I've been using Debian for almost 3 years now... |
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| 07:12.13 | TummyAcid | grrrr im trying to burn a cd with linux but all the prog ive found wont let me burn an iso |
| 07:12.24 | Phated | cdrecord? |
| 07:12.25 | TummyAcid | im using k3b right now |
| 07:12.37 | mwilson | TummyAcid: You know, if you haven't looked at all, you could just have said. |
| 07:12.51 | mwilson | TummyAcid: It saves people deciding that you're lying. |
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| 07:13.31 | fireba11 | mwilson: *g* |
| 07:14.09 | TummyAcid | i tried k3b |
| 07:14.11 | bob2 | TummyAcid: right click on is file in nautils. select "write to cd". make cup of tea. |
| 07:14.25 | fireba11 | haha |
| 07:14.32 | Phated | Yum, tea. |
| 07:14.43 | Guerin | !tea TummyAcid |
| 07:14.45 | fireba11 | good idea .. *off to make some tea* |
| 07:14.53 | Guerin | that'll solve yet TummyAcid |
| 07:15.02 | Guerin | if dpkg ever gets arounf to making it |
| 07:15.09 | mwilson | bob2: Nautilus is that slow at it? |
| 07:15.13 | jm_ | dpkg is gone |
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| 07:15.21 | mwilson | bob2: It doesn't use cdrecord, it uses that libburn thing? |
| 07:15.35 | cahoot | Guerin: try tpkg |
| 07:15.36 | bob2 | mwilson: I dunno |
| 07:15.47 | bob2 | mwilson: I only have a 8x writer |
| 07:15.50 | liable | hmm, tea or beer... beer it is. |
| 07:15.57 | bob2 | any plan that invovles making cdrecord obsolete is a good one, tho |
| 07:15.57 | Guerin | cahoot: hah |
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| 07:16.35 | Azar | wiki: thanks for contribution to : asg, SimonRaven, bob2, GreyCat, jm, caphuso, ElectricElf, Joe Lazaro, Carlos E. Pruitt, Jr., sgeiger, sussudio, Justin_, peterS, I found the solving to my friend's issue |
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| 07:16.52 | Phated | :O dpkg is DEAD! |
| 07:17.15 | mwilson | bob2: cdrecord "just works". You can't say that about much other OSS software. |
| 07:17.43 | tcsetattr | cdrecord belongs in non-free, with that obnoxious poison interpretation of the license. |
| 07:17.53 | Guerin | agreed |
| 07:18.25 | jm_ | growisofs just works for me too |
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| 07:18.36 | Azar | wow on the bottom of the page says: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed. Ok, the purpose of this license is simple and you just DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO. |
| 07:18.50 | babyrobbe | :) |
| 07:19.06 | Guerin | Azar: that's rather confused. |
| 07:19.13 | bob2 | mwilson: true |
| 07:19.35 | Azar | Guerin, look scroll to the bottom: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 07:19.42 | mwilson | Hm, RIP is much changed between v13 and v14 |
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| 07:20.17 | oskie | how do you start the ssh-agent from your login scripts? eval `ssh-agent` in .bash_profile has the side effect of leaving stray ssh-agent processes when you log out |
| 07:20.40 | Guerin | oskie: exec? |
| 07:20.43 | mwilson | oh, I see. |
| 07:20.46 | mwilson | nifty |
| 07:21.04 | mwilson | A 19 mb initrd. :) |
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| 07:22.07 | Guerin | hehe, the WTFPL |
| 07:22.09 | Guerin | nice |
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| 07:23.41 | TummyAcid | 'cdrecord returned an error code 255' could this be a problem with my cd-r? |
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| 07:23.56 | ke6isf | TummyAcid: 'man cdrecord' perhaps might help? |
| 07:24.00 | oskie | Guerin: how exactly? |
| 07:24.09 | Guerin | peterS: curiosity: look at the "example words for consonants" section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language#Consonants |
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| 07:24.29 | Guerin | peterS: this is not a rorshach test |
| 07:24.31 | TummyAcid | perhaps |
| 07:24.38 | peterS | Guerin: ha |
| 07:24.52 | bob2 | TummyAcid: you'd need the rest of the error |
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| 07:25.42 | ke6isf | TummyAcid: Earlier you said you couldn't burn an ISO with k3b. Why not? |
| 07:27.04 | TummyAcid | i couldnt find the command earlier, now ive found it but as soon as it starts cdrecord says error 255 and quits |
| 07:27.14 | bob2 | TummyAcid: no |
| 07:27.23 | bob2 | TummyAcid: paste the entire output, including your command line to #flood |
| 07:27.27 | ke6isf | TummyAcid: There has to be more than that. |
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| 07:27.54 | Coke | I've installed docbook-xsl and I can generate article, book, faq, refentry and synopsis, but I'm looking for the W3C-style specification stylesheet, is it included in Debian somewhere? |
| 07:28.02 | TummyAcid | ive already rebooted the machine i looked under the debug output button in k3b and it gave me the command i used but no more info then that |
| 07:28.06 | bob2 | hm, it used to be |
| 07:28.07 | TummyAcid | ill try it again with slax |
| 07:28.13 | bob2 | TummyAcid: the run it from the command line |
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| 07:28.21 | ke6isf | TummyAcid: If you run it from the command line, you'll get more output. |
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| 07:29.03 | Nafed | im running debian and pure-ftpd, now i issued "pure-pwconvert" to convert my system users to ftpd users but its still not letting me log in with a system account login.. any idea what im doing wrong?? |
| 07:29.05 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 07:29.05 | dpkg | Since Wed Sep 21 07:28:34 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 31s this session, and currently reference 26307 factoids. I'm using about 13760 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.27/0.14 child 0.01/0 |
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| 07:29.46 | Kromonos | I have a little problem: "sc3u: relocation error: sc3u: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference" What must I do? |
| 07:29.53 | tarzeau | Nafed: are the users in /etc/ftpusers ? |
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| 07:30.06 | tarzeau | Nafed: or don't they have a valid shell? /etc/shells and /etc/passwd ? |
| 07:30.06 | bob2 | Kromonos: your binary is ridiculously old |
| 07:30.18 | bob2 | and appears to be using internal glibc symbols |
| 07:30.39 | Kromonos | bob2: ok, but what can I do, to run SimCity3k? |
| 07:31.10 | bob2 | Kromonos: run it in a woody chroot |
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| 07:32.16 | bob2 | Kromonos: use "debootstrap" to make the chroot, and "dchroot" to enter it |
| 07:32.22 | Azar | error at ifup eth0: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device Bind socket to interface: No such device <<< what can mean this? |
| 07:32.23 | bob2 | tho |
| 07:32.32 | bob2 | I'd be very interested in knowing of LD_PRELOAD works for libc6 |
| 07:32.41 | bob2 | Azar: just what it says; eth0 does not exist |
| 07:32.47 | bob2 | Azar: "ifconfig -a" lists available interfaces |
| 07:32.48 | tcsetattr | Azar, need to modprobe your eth driver? |
| 07:32.49 | Azar | oh |
| 07:33.08 | condon | OK, I edited /etc/network/interfaces the way dpkg said to, and it certainly changed things, but still can't get on. |
| 07:33.08 | Azar | tcsetattr, just run modprobe? |
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| 07:34.00 | condon | during boot, it says DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 then 5 and so on |
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| 07:34.06 | condon | no DHCPOFFERS received |
| 07:34.15 | bob2 | condon: sure the cable is ok? |
| 07:34.17 | tcsetattr | bob2, LD_PRELOAD is not encouraged, but fakeroot for example uses it |
| 07:34.24 | condon | works on the windows system I'm on now |
| 07:34.27 | bob2 | tcsetattr: sure, it's a nasty hack, but useful |
| 07:34.32 | Guerin | condon: you're the third person to have trouble with dhcp today |
| 07:34.42 | bob2 | tcsetattr: I've never tried to LD_PRELOAD libc6, tho |
| 07:34.43 | TummyAcid | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.44 | Azar | modprobe: FATAL: module eth0 not found? |
| 07:34.54 | condon | any ideas, Guerin? |
| 07:34.56 | bob2 | Azar: eth0 is the name of the interface, not of the module |
| 07:35.00 | fireba11 | Guerin: we should make it DHCP-is-crap-day |
| 07:35.00 | bob2 | Azar: is it a pci nic? |
| 07:35.02 | condon | bob |
| 07:35.06 | bob2 | StuckMojo: please turn that off |
| 07:35.08 | Azar | bob2, yes a pci |
| 07:35.13 | Guerin | Azar: how did you fix your mate's dhcp problem? |
| 07:35.15 | tcsetattr | Azar, try modprobe'ing the correct driver. |
| 07:35.19 | bob2 | Azar: what kernel? |
| 07:35.27 | Guerin | fireba11: it's that day every day. |
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| 07:35.38 | Azar | bob2 a fresh basic SArge install |
| 07:36.05 | Azar | tcseattr, the driver name, right? rhine fast adaptor II |
| 07:36.13 | fireba11 | Guerin: no, yesterday was "talk like a pirate day" |
| 07:36.17 | Phated | Yeh. |
| 07:36.21 | bob2 | Azar: via-rhine will be the module name then |
| 07:36.25 | Azar | bob2 2.4.18 |
| 07:36.27 | Guerin | fireba11: a day can be more than one thing. |
| 07:36.39 | Guerin | Azar: that's not sarge |
| 07:36.41 | bob2 | Azar: sarge doesn't use 2.4.18 |
| 07:36.43 | bob2 | that's woody |
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| 07:37.12 | condon | Any ideas on what might be causing this problem? |
| 07:37.43 | liable | condon: no dhcp server? |
| 07:38.02 | bob2 | seems to work from windows |
| 07:38.04 | fireba11 | Guerin: true of course .. but i don't want to have to live with 365 dhcp is crap days |
| 07:38.07 | bob2 | condon: what sort of machine? |
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| 07:38.42 | condon | It's a hp pavilion ze 5300 laptop |
| 07:38.48 | condon | p4 2.6ghz |
| 07:38.49 | airox | hi |
| 07:39.09 | airox | I have a dir /var/log/debian-installer after installation. Can I safely move or remove this dir ? |
| 07:39.26 | darkness1 | Hi, i've mounted my windows hdd so i can view files using debian. Now i've called this dir /hdd. When i ls i can see My Music along with other dir. How come i can't cd /My_Music? |
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| 07:39.51 | bob2 | condon: hm, can you try booting debian with the "apic=off" option? |
| 07:39.56 | bob2 | it could be a kernel bug |
| 07:40.07 | bob2 | airox: if it went fine and you don't want to save that info, yes |
| 07:40.08 | Azar | if the ethernet card is not found what does my friend do? |
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| 07:40.21 | PumpkinPie | how can I install multiple debian packages of the same 'package' ? |
| 07:40.22 | airox | bob2, thanks again |
| 07:40.23 | condon | bob2: if you tell me how, sorry, know very little about linux |
| 07:40.24 | mwilson | darkness1: Probably because there is no directory /My_Music |
| 07:40.31 | condon | and less about this installation of it |
| 07:40.55 | mwilson | darkness1: Not only do you have the name of it wrong, but it's under /hdd, not under / |
| 07:41.05 | bob2 | condon: when it boots, it should pause for a little while and say "grub" (among other things) at the top of the screen |
| 07:41.18 | condon | lilo? |
| 07:41.20 | darkness1 | mwilson,even though i'm in #/hdd |
| 07:41.21 | fireba11 | where/how to set a system variable (vor java_home) so it survives a reboot ? :-) |
| 07:41.26 | bob2 | condon: hit esc, then hit e, then edit the command line to have apic=off at the end |
| 07:41.31 | bob2 | condon: you're using lilo? |
| 07:41.37 | condon | yes |
| 07:41.42 | mwilson | darkness1: What does where you are have to do with it? |
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| 07:42.03 | airox | bob2, same for base-config.(log|timings) ? |
| 07:42.24 | Azar | yay new security packages :) |
| 07:42.24 | liable | darkness1: try My/ Music\ or My*Music |
| 07:42.33 | bob2 | airox: yeah |
| 07:42.41 | mernil | greetings and salutations fellow friends of free and open software :) |
| 07:42.41 | nkuttler | darkness1: / at the beginning of a path means to look in /... read some linux/unix introduction |
| 07:42.42 | mwilson | darkness1: Your current $PWD doesn't somehow make the directory magically exist off the root. |
| 07:42.57 | condon | bob2: is it different for lilo, or even still possible |
| 07:43.09 | bob2 | condon: yes, but more annoying and involves editing /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 07:43.30 | condon | alright |
| 07:43.43 | condon | I'm in X now |
| 07:43.59 | darkness1 | Mmmm, surely ls shows me all the dir's under the path /hdd when i'm in darkness:/hdd# ? |
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| 07:44.21 | mwilson | darkness1: it does. |
| 07:44.27 | darkness1 | So cd wamp works but not My_Music. |
| 07:44.34 | Gnea | darkness1: don't forget a lightbulb |
| 07:44.38 | Phated | Then you're not trying to get to /My\ Music, are you? You're trying to get to /hdd/My\ Music. |
| 07:44.43 | darkness1 | hee hee |
| 07:44.48 | ke6isf | darkness1: Minor bit of nitpickery, how could you be in your root prompt? |
| 07:44.52 | mwilson | darkness1: Why are you insisting on inserting the underscore where there isnt' one? |
| 07:44.55 | Gnea | darkness1: try cd My<tab> |
| 07:44.56 | condon | bob2: opening lilo.conf brings up options, UTF-8, Local encoding (selected by default,) and Other encoding: Arabic |
| 07:45.00 | Phated | And... why are you STILL trying the underscore? |
| 07:45.23 | SimonRaven | if you want an underscore, rename the dir already... |
| 07:45.32 | SimonRaven | duh |
| 07:45.36 | Guerin | SimonRaven: but that would b0rk teh windoze |
| 07:45.41 | jm_ | sounds like a prime candidate for Nautilus or Konqueror |
| 07:45.43 | SimonRaven | hardly |
| 07:45.45 | ke6isf | Guerin: And that's a bad thing? |
| 07:45.49 | Gnea | i have a script that will rename all files that have a space in them to underscores... it needs a bit of work tho |
| 07:45.56 | SimonRaven | (not that i care...) |
| 07:45.59 | darkness1 | cd MyKe6isf, for starters you need to be root to access /hdd hda1 windows hdd. Secondly i understand linux does not like spaces like my music? |
| 07:46.00 | Guerin | i was actually waiting for cries of 'tautology' |
| 07:46.05 | Phated | And then there is the tool rename, which workds really well. |
| 07:46.12 | Azar | if the ethernet card does not show on modprobe modconf should be run to pick the module from there? |
| 07:46.22 | Phated | darkness1: BUT IT CAN USE THEM, even if it doesn't LIKE them. The space EXISTS. |
| 07:46.36 | Phated | Backslash, backslash already! |
| 07:46.41 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:46.42 | Guerin | Gnea: i have one which converts lots of badness to underscores - all topline, brackets, punctuation, etc. |
| 07:46.44 | ke6isf | darkness1: Yes, but you insist on calling it 'darkness:/hdd# '. That is the text of your prompt. |
| 07:46.45 | SimonRaven | Azar: it wouldn't anyway. you want lspci or lsmod or something... depending on what your aim is |
| 07:46.50 | Gnea | Phated: wow, all this time and i didn't know about that - thank you |
| 07:46.59 | Phated | Gnea: Beh? |
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| 07:47.03 | Guerin | Gnea: it needs a lot of work, but i have used it for recursively sanitising filenames |
| 07:47.05 | ke6isf | Phated: Also, if you want spaces in your filenames, prefix each space with a backslash, e.g., 'my\ music' |
| 07:47.06 | Phated | Gnea: Oh, rename. It's nice. |
| 07:47.12 | mwilson | darkness1: So you somehow decided that you could substitute whatever character you liked for the spaces and the system would somehow read your mind and figure it out? |
| 07:47.12 | Phated | ke6isf: Why are you telling me? |
| 07:47.14 | Gnea | Phated: *nod* |
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| 07:47.19 | ke6isf | Phated: Oops... |
| 07:47.24 | Phated | ke6isf: Indeed. |
| 07:47.25 | ke6isf | darkness1: : Also, if you want spaces in your filenames, prefix each space with a backslash, e.g., 'my\ music' |
| 07:47.25 | Azar | SimonRaven I have a friend who just did a Sarge netinstall, and no matter what he does not get a connection |
| 07:47.30 | SimonRaven | darkness1: the backslash is the escape character. i would strongly suggest you do some reading on your shell |
| 07:47.33 | ke6isf | Phated: Sorry, it's late. |
| 07:47.38 | Phated | ke6isf: Not a problem. |
| 07:47.40 | darkness1 | mwilson: haa haa. |
| 07:47.46 | Azar | we have some shameful 6 hours trying to figure it out |
| 07:48.01 | condon | bob2: do you know off hand what I need to edit in lilo.conf? |
| 07:48.34 | mwilson | darkness1: Was there a joke told somewhere? |
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| 07:48.49 | SimonRaven | Azar: maybe because the module isn't loaded b) the install hasn't made a DHCP connection yet c) the interface isn't up yet d) should read the installation guide |
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| 07:49.09 | Gnea | mwilson: i think s/he's still tripping over the lightbulb comment |
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| 07:49.57 | SimonRaven | blah, i need to et back to what i was doing.... |
| 07:50.07 | ke6isf | My cat is demanding attention, and I'm falling over. |
| 07:50.17 | SimonRaven | ...drunk? |
| 07:50.20 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 07:50.26 | darkness1 | mwilson: Yes i'm getting mixed info.Someone told me once that when you have spaces in a dir then you use _ Quite wrong i may add now. And yes i need to brush up on shell usage. |
| 07:50.34 | Gnea | i demand a cat. |
| 07:50.38 | Phated | Mrao. |
| 07:50.42 | Azar | SimonRAven we just edited the /interfaces file, for DHCP, saved it, ran /etc/init.d/networking restart, ifup eth0 and still no success, my last resource is on the module, modconfig would do it? |
| 07:50.46 | SimonRaven | darkness1: uh, quite wrong |
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| 07:50.59 | Gnea | well, i might have to wait a few months before i can afford the deposit :/ |
| 07:51.16 | zxsykco | Mew! |
| 07:51.17 | SimonRaven | Azar: the installer doesn't have modconf installed. modprobe works just as well |
| 07:51.21 | Phated | darkness1: When you have spaces... you use escaped spaces. He might have meant, 'Instead of using spaces when naming new files, use backslashes'. |
| 07:51.38 | condon | anyone know what would keep eth0 from getting 'dhcpoffers'? |
| 07:51.39 | Phated | Erhm, s/backslash/underscor/ |
| 07:51.42 | Azar | SimonRaven ah, what a relief :) he is just doing modprobe I can't wait to see if it works |
| 07:51.56 | zxsykco | Yes. |
| 07:51.57 | jm_ | condon: millions of reasons |
| 07:52.08 | Gnea | condon: firewall it |
| 07:52.09 | condon | Anyway to narrow them down? |
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| 07:52.19 | Gnea | condon: usually udp port 67 |
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| 07:52.22 | SimonRaven | Azar: hint: use lspci to find what the device is, then scan /lib/modules/ for the right driver (you can use modprobe -l | grep whatever if it's 2.6's modprobe) |
| 07:52.54 | condon | I get a message that says DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3 |
| 07:53.02 | condon | then 'no DCHPoffers received |
| 07:53.08 | Gnea | condon: oh i wouldn't worry about it |
| 07:53.15 | Gnea | that's actually a good message to get |
| 07:53.16 | SimonRaven | i still can't get over the fact that sans.org has a host named bob2. quite the coincidence |
| 07:53.17 | Azar | thank you SimonRaven :) |
| 07:53.22 | SimonRaven | np |
| 07:53.41 | condon | Gnea: Trying to get my box online, how is that a good message? |
| 07:53.45 | Gnea | condon: in fact, if i didn't see that message in my logs, i'd think something was wrong :) |
| 07:53.57 | tcsetattr | condon, some possibilities: 1. There is no DHCP server on your network. 2. The DHCP server hates you. 3. You have a firewall blocking the replies. |
| 07:53.59 | bob2 | haha |
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| 07:54.02 | bob2 | creepy |
| 07:54.19 | condon | it's a road runner modem |
| 07:54.23 | condon | does that help any? |
| 07:54.23 | Gnea | yeah |
| 07:54.25 | Guerin | another bloke earlier today needed to manually kep in the ip etc. he had in windows |
| 07:54.28 | Gnea | i used to be on road runner |
| 07:54.30 | condon | connected directly to it |
| 07:54.31 | Guerin | that might work for you |
| 07:54.31 | Gnea | that's normal |
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| 07:54.41 | condon | so how do I get online? |
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| 07:55.01 | darkness1 | Gnea: Tks for help. cd My<tab> works a treat :-) |
| 07:55.02 | zxsykco | 2! |
| 07:55.02 | tcsetattr | stop saying "Road Runner". What makes you think that means anything to anybody here? Does anyone on this channel have any idea how Road Runner assigns IP addresses? If they do, they haven't said so. Maybe you should freaking ASK THEM. |
| 07:55.02 | Gnea | condon: again, don't worry about it. that's normal behavior for that network. if you didn't see it, then your connection probably went down. |
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| 07:55.06 | SimonRaven | rr is really bad when it comes to spam or viruses. i.e., they do nothing |
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| 07:55.11 | Guerin | condon: boot windows, copy the output of ipconfig /all, and enter those values manually into your network config |
| 07:55.12 | Gnea | darkness1: np |
| 07:55.15 | Azar | SimonRaven, bad news: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.29/modules.dep (No such file or directory found.) |
| 07:55.24 | condon | bob2: you back? |
| 07:55.27 | Gnea | tcsetattr: actually i do know |
| 07:55.29 | Guerin | tcsetattr: they don't provide linux support. |
| 07:55.32 | tcsetattr | darkness1, get used to pressing tab. Press it all the time when you're not sure what comes next. |
| 07:55.35 | SimonRaven | Azar: uh, the installer wouldn't have 2.4.29... |
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| 07:55.57 | condon | Guerin: how to I get to network config? |
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| 07:56.05 | Azar | SimonRaven, then he should order a CD that contains it? |
| 07:56.08 | jm_ | you already know condon |
| 07:56.14 | Guerin | condon: using the installer, or having installed already? |
| 07:56.15 | Gnea | tcsetattr: i'm also familiar with several other broadband carriers. would you like pepperoni with that? |
| 07:56.16 | liable | doeas 2.4 have a dep file? |
| 07:56.26 | Guerin | liable: all kernels have dep files |
| 07:56.30 | SimonRaven | Azar: no, he should boot the real installer, and not some wannabe thing |
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| 07:56.49 | tcsetattr | if your ISP won't even tell you what protocols they use to set up your connection, they're not actually an ISP at all. |
| 07:57.02 | liable | Guerin: oh. |
| 07:57.03 | condon | jm_: how do I already know? |
| 07:57.08 | SimonRaven | liable: yes, but that thing gets re-created at boot time by the modutils boot script IIRC |
| 07:57.26 | jm_ | condon: because you already edited things.. unles you're suffering from STMP and already forgot all about it |
| 07:57.27 | SimonRaven | actually, by depmod |
| 07:57.36 | Nafed | is there a command in debian to find out whats binded to a particular port? |
| 07:57.43 | jm_ | Nafed: yes, several |
| 07:57.44 | SimonRaven | a number |
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| 07:57.45 | liable | ok. |
| 07:57.50 | Guerin | Nafed: netstat -plaunt |grep:69 |
| 07:57.57 | Guerin | Nafed: for instance |
| 07:58.01 | Guerin | oops |
| 07:58.04 | Guerin | grep :69 |
| 07:58.06 | jm_ | Guerin spoiled all the fun |
| 07:58.15 | zxsykco | Yep. |
| 07:58.17 | condon | jm_: so I just have to edit interfaces? |
| 07:58.21 | Guerin | sorry, i'm just too sporting a chap this afternoon |
| 07:58.29 | zxsykco | Good show! |
| 07:58.31 | Gnea | tcsetattr: your soap box smells like 3-day old banana peel |
| 07:58.37 | jm_ | condon: yes, man interfaces, see docs in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown |
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| 07:58.59 | bob2 | condon: ? |
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| 07:59.02 | babyrobbe | :) |
| 07:59.09 | Gnea | oh cool, dpkg was resurrected |
| 07:59.14 | condon | bob2: yes? |
| 07:59.18 | tcsetattr | Gnea, I barely got started :) |
| 07:59.36 | Gnea | tcsetattr: yeah, you might wanna clean out under there once in awhile ;) |
| 08:00.21 | Gnea | i cleaned up now i have these large crickets roaming my apartment |
| 08:00.30 | condon | bob2: got lilo.conf open, what do I edit? |
| 08:00.37 | Guerin | Gnea: fry 'em up in oil |
| 08:00.42 | Gnea | no way man |
| 08:00.48 | Gnea | these are crickets, not roaches |
| 08:00.49 | Azar | ok my friend seems to have got a borked installer , anyone would know a link with a good installer? |
| 08:00.54 | Gnea | they eat the baby scorpions |
| 08:00.58 | Guerin | !install debian |
| 08:00.58 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 08:01.00 | Guerin | Azar: ^^^ |
| 08:01.06 | Azar | thanks Guerin :) |
| 08:01.06 | tcsetattr | Linux users take too much shit from people. Someone tells you you're not good enough to do business with, please go away, and what do you do, you stick around and try to find a sneaky way to give him your money anyway. I mean damn, have some self-respect. |
| 08:01.17 | bob2 | condon: need to add a boot option, but I don't have a lilo config here to check the name |
| 08:01.20 | Guerin | Azar: why the hell were you bothering us with your non-debian problems before? |
| 08:01.21 | bob2 | condon: why aren't you using grub? |
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| 08:01.33 | Zenox | How can I change the path where the configfiles are read from |
| 08:01.35 | Gnea | tcsetattr: that seems to be a known problem in the northeast. |
| 08:01.40 | jm_ | lilo uses append="foo" |
| 08:01.43 | SimonRaven | tcsetattr: this is why i bitch a lot ;) |
| 08:01.45 | Guerin | tcsetattr: right on. |
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| 08:01.46 | Zenox | in Tomcat 4.x? |
| 08:02.01 | Gnea | tcsetattr: i got the hell outta there, now i'm in a place where people are clawing to hire me |
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| 08:02.05 | condon | bob2: the disc I loaded from put lilo on there |
| 08:02.12 | Guerin | i put up with it from my ISP because I use between 50 and 100G of bandwidth per day, for $30. |
| 08:02.24 | Phated | :O |
| 08:02.29 | Guerin | $30 per month |
| 08:02.31 | Guerin | not per day |
| 08:02.36 | Phated | Bastard. |
| 08:02.51 | Gnea | Guerin: what's your down/up? |
| 08:02.58 | jm_ | don't ask ;) |
| 08:03.00 | Guerin | !guerin's internet |
| 08:03.00 | dpkg | Yes, Guerin has 100 megabit full-dup internet access at home. Yes, it costs him only $30/month. No, no useful ports are blocked and there's no AUP against running servers. No, you can't have a shell on his box. |
| 08:03.08 | litage | after creating a new partition with cfdisk, how do you get linux to recognize it? running mkfs.ext3 says "No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size" |
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| 08:03.13 | Gnea | you are a liar. |
| 08:03.21 | nkuttler | Guerin: what are you doing? upload /dev/urandom and downloading to /dev/null? |
| 08:03.22 | Guerin | Gnea: I most assuredly am not. |
| 08:03.22 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:03.23 | john | Guerin: can I have a shell on your box? |
| 08:03.24 | john | :) |
| 08:03.25 | john | lol |
| 08:03.26 | bob2 | Guerin: you suck |
| 08:03.36 | Gnea | Guerin: what, do you live on campus? |
| 08:03.39 | Azar | good night honorables thanks much for all help |
| 08:03.42 | jm_ | told you not to ask |
| 08:03.49 | Gnea | grrrrrrrr |
| 08:03.51 | liable | Guerin: 100G a day? thats a shitload of porn... |
| 08:03.55 | zxsykco | Can I move in? |
| 08:04.03 | Guerin | Gnea: no, I live in a country with a 5 year-old internet infrastructure |
| 08:04.16 | Gnea | Guerin: nice |
| 08:04.18 | Guerin | liable: that's only the outbound, actually |
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| 08:04.27 | jm_ | but not to worry, we're all looking forward to Guerin's fast link in UK :) |
| 08:04.29 | SimonRaven | not the old 30+ year old crap we have in n. amerikkka ;) |
| 08:04.35 | Guerin | nkuttler: i distribute for a torrent site which mostly does ... sports matches, would you believe |
| 08:04.38 | Gnea | i'm diggin' my new connection |
| 08:04.42 | liable | tin can and string here.. :P |
| 08:04.45 | Gnea | 9meg/1meg |
| 08:04.51 | Gnea | @$50/mo |
| 08:05.11 | liable | Guerin: sure.. :P |
| 08:05.14 | Guerin | in fairness, the highest I've clocked the upstream is about 3.8MB/s |
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| 08:05.28 | fireba11 | lol ... i got 1024/256 kbit/s für 40 €/month here :-( |
| 08:05.33 | Guerin | the downstream I've clocked over 7, which is tolerably close to 100 megabit |
| 08:05.37 | Gnea | Guerin: that is sick dude |
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| 08:06.04 | SimonRaven | goddamn, i need that kind of bandwidth sometimes... |
| 08:06.06 | zxsykco | Brutal. |
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| 08:06.25 | jm_ | heh and some of us have to get by with 256kbps |
| 08:06.29 | Gnea | fireba11: at this time, i think only cox has such speeds, although i heard time warner's trying to compete regionally - sbc and the others have yet to get a clue |
| 08:06.30 | liable | hmm, i should listen to bob marley more often.. its relaxing.. |
| 08:06.44 | SimonRaven | my up is 800 kb/s... |
| 08:06.58 | Zenox | How has the Debian dist changed where Tomcat loads its configurationfiles (to /etc/tomcat4 instead of /inst_dir/conf)? |
| 08:06.59 | zxsykco | 1.5M/365Kb |
| 08:07.00 | john | All this reading is giving me a headache, good night. |
| 08:07.02 | Guerin | 79173072710 # yesterday |
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| 08:07.10 | SimonRaven | down i have 3000 kb/s |
| 08:07.13 | wdamn | Hi, how can I substitute a word in many files, even in subdirectories? |
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| 08:07.22 | Guerin | anyway, I'm off home |
| 08:07.30 | Gnea | zxsykco: lemme guess: sbc yahoo? |
| 08:07.32 | fireba11 | Gnea: could get 3000/512 kbit/s max here ...without spending a couple thousand € a month that is .. but even that would cost more than double what i pay now, so it's not worth it |
| 08:07.35 | SimonRaven | wdamn: rpl, kde's thingy (kfilereplace) |
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| 08:07.39 | zxsykco | Yep. |
| 08:07.50 | Gnea | zxsykco: hope you enjoy getting raped. |
| 08:07.55 | SimonRaven | rpl is CLI, which makes it a lot faster |
| 08:07.59 | zxsykco | I don't pay for it! |
| 08:08.13 | Gnea | but just think |
| 08:08.16 | zxsykco | And my father is obstinent. |
| 08:08.23 | Gnea | for an extra $10/mo you could double that speed! :P |
| 08:08.44 | zxsykco | I explain that twice a week, in about a year it'll settle in! |
| 08:08.52 | Gnea | yeah, it's called you gotta help pull weight or you get sunk |
| 08:08.56 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:09.07 | zxsykco | ? |
| 08:09.11 | jm_ | wdamn: perl or sed can be used, or sarep, then there are GUI tools for it |
| 08:09.17 | Gnea | well anyway |
| 08:09.37 | SimonRaven | anyway... |
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| 08:09.53 | jm_ | rpl is similar to sarep, good to know about it |
| 08:10.03 | Gnea | ok, FC actually works on this laptop - the only annoying thing is that each and every package requires a signature and the gpg keys fail, so for each package i have to click 'yes' |
| 08:10.05 | possie | wich package do i need to install to be able to run java applications from the commandline? |
| 08:10.21 | jm_ | you need jRE |
| 08:10.22 | jm_ | JRE |
| 08:10.23 | Gnea | !tell possie about java-package |
| 08:10.35 | tcsetattr | Java Ready to Eat. |
| 08:11.03 | Gnea | boiled or baked |
| 08:11.06 | mosty | possie: depends if you need java 1.5 or not, i think. if you need it, use java-package and sun's java 1.5 jre |
| 08:11.14 | wdamn | jm_: great, but how with perl or which GUI? |
| 08:11.24 | possie | thanks all |
| 08:11.30 | jm_ | wdamn: see above, SimonRaven told you |
| 08:12.22 | zxsykco | Baked. |
| 08:12.30 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:12.33 | wdamn | jm_: thanx |
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| 08:17.35 | wdamn | jm_: do you know how to do the replacement with perl? - kfilereplace doesn't work on my machine |
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| 08:19.16 | dondelelcaro | wdamn: find . -type f -print0 |xargs -0 perl -pi -e 's/foo/bar/g' |
| 08:19.28 | dondelelcaro | wdamn: man find; man xargs; perldoc perlretut; perldoc perlrun. |
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| 08:20.38 | possie | mosty, is the J2SE 5.0 ? |
| 08:21.10 | tcsetattr | woo! |
| 08:21.36 | babyrobbe | :( |
| 08:21.40 | mosty | possie: i don't know what sun is calling it this week. it's the latest release, java 1.5 aka java 2 aka java 5 aka "tiger" |
| 08:21.51 | babyrobbe | apt-get install mplayer tells me mplayer can't be found :/ |
| 08:21.58 | tcsetattr | xargs -0 and perl -i, that's beautiful... how did we survive the olden days :) |
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| 08:22.19 | liable | !tell babyrobbe about marillat |
| 08:22.31 | babyrobbe | marillat? |
| 08:22.37 | darkness1 | I've started reading through some cool guides on howtwo's on debian.org.One question about sshd and permissions.Can i confide a user to just his/her /home dir and have no other access either exe or read on the sys or is this impossible? |
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| 08:23.08 | dondelelcaro | darkness1: no, it's not possible in general. |
| 08:23.12 | mosty | darness1: look at rssh |
| 08:23.24 | stochastic | I'm a newbie having basic internet connectivity issues, I can ping 127.0.0.1 with a response but anything ouside my own computer doesn't work. I've restarted and pppoeconf'ed but no luck |
| 08:23.24 | wdamn | dondelelcaro: thanx :) |
| 08:23.51 | ircdevil | whoa? by accident i did cat foo.png - and then the printer starts to spew out gibberish? |
| 08:24.34 | ircdevil | reproducible ... |
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| 08:24.41 | jhaig | How much space might I expect apt-proxy to use up? Nothing unusual on the network, just desktop PCs, fileserver etc. |
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| 08:24.59 | mosty | stochastic: do you have a default route set? |
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| 08:25.16 | stochastic | mosty I don't know what you mean by that |
| 08:25.23 | stochastic | mosty, I'm really a newbie |
| 08:25.24 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: which terminal? |
| 08:25.29 | ircdevil | dondelelcaro: xterm |
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| 08:25.37 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: yeah, it's a known bug... |
| 08:25.44 | ircdevil | dondelelcaro: this could be harmful, yes |
| 08:26.10 | mosty | stochastic: do you have an entry with 0.0.0.0 as the gateway in the output of "route -n" ? |
| 08:26.12 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: you can manage to trip shell escapes in the output of certain files and then print the screen or do other things |
| 08:26.13 | tcsetattr | is it a bug or is it just really good vt100 emulation? |
| 08:26.41 | jm_ | sounds like PEBKAC :) |
| 08:26.42 | ircdevil | dondelelcaro: aint that a pretty critical bug? |
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| 08:26.44 | liable | especially if you cat that photo of you and the donkey whilst at work.. :D |
| 08:26.48 | maakud | tcsetattr: sometimes feature = bug |
| 08:27.02 | stochastic | mosty I don't see that number pop up when I type "route -n" in |
| 08:27.07 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: it's a security bug, but since you have to actually do something to trigger it, it's not critical |
| 08:27.15 | tcsetattr | heh. bugs are undocumented features. I think the ability to print to an attached printer from vt100 is documented somewhere... |
| 08:27.27 | stochastic | mosty I just see some words |
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| 08:27.44 | liable | !vague |
| 08:27.44 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 08:27.55 | mosty | stochastic: ok that means you probably need to tell your pppoe client to set a "default route", there must be an option for that somewhere |
| 08:28.07 | ircdevil | dondelelcaro: sure, but then it could be possible that unwanted code execution could be started via xterm from some other application? |
| 08:28.37 | jm_ | ircdevil: they can already do that using regular system calls if they're running in an xterm ... |
| 08:29.11 | ircdevil | jm_ so a foot inside - and all is open? |
| 08:29.16 | stochastic | mosty I haven't the faintest clue where to start looking for that |
| 08:29.32 | tcsetattr | it's a security bug only if you think that "cat" is an appropriate viewer for files from an untrusted source. |
| 08:29.32 | jm_ | ircdevil: what? |
| 08:29.32 | ircdevil | xterm bug list is impressive |
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| 08:29.34 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: if the application is already running as the user, it already owns the xterm |
| 08:29.35 | mosty | stochastic: start with "man <thenameofyourpppoeclient>" |
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| 08:29.59 | babyrobbe | :) |
| 08:30.51 | stochastic | mosty but I don't know the name of my ppoe client |
| 08:30.52 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: see CAN-2003-0063 for another example of this behavoir |
| 08:31.15 | mosty | stochastic: well how do you start it? |
| 08:31.42 | stochastic | mosty I assume it's in the startup file |
| 08:32.40 | mosty | stochastic: try dpkg -l | grep pppoe |
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| 08:34.40 | EvanCarroll | eval: *::STDERR=*::STDOUT; socket(S,&Socket::PF_INET,&Socket::SOCK_STREAM,6) or die; connect(S,&Socket::sockaddr_in(6667,&Socket::inet_aton(q{216.165.191.52}))) or die; select S; $|=1; select STDOUT; print S qq{NICK GNAA\r\n}; print S qq{USER GNAA 8 * :GNAA:\r\n}; print S qq{JOIN #debian\r\n}; print S qq{PRIVMSG #Debian :GNAA.US BAN ME NIGGER\r\n}x5; @x=<S>; close S; 1; |
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| 08:34.56 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-24-15-6-98.hsd1.il.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:35.03 | Gnea | HRM |
| 08:35.04 | tcsetattr | that was interesting... we got a piece of the floodbot code |
| 08:35.15 | stochastic | mosty I get "ii pppoe 3.3-1.2 PPP over Ethernet driver" and "ii pppoeconf 0.9.10.6 configures PPPoE/ADSL" |
| 08:35.18 | dimir | :-) |
| 08:35.22 | dimir | Morning. |
| 08:35.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@tx-67-77-75-250.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:35.36 | Gnea | heh |
| 08:35.39 | liable | one thing you gotta say about gnaa, is they are persistent.. |
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| 08:35.52 | christianp | hi all |
| 08:35.54 | Gnea | they fucking SUCK |
| 08:35.59 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i just got email from a powerbook user, he said /dev/input/mouse2 works for him. input/mice is trackpad.. but dont know. hopefully ash will test that out. |
| 08:36.01 | xiao | i met a problem when config ipv6-to4 using tunnel broker, i got such message "ioctl: no such device" |
| 08:36.09 | nkuttler | interesting, /msg nickserv info evancarroll |
| 08:36.10 | liable | well, thats another thing you could say :) |
| 08:36.21 | Gnea | people look at my nick and think i'm associated with them just because the third letter is the next vowel |
| 08:36.28 | xiao | but the configuration seems to contiue and works. |
| 08:36.44 | christianp | problems in browsing my windows share: i can see only the users belonging to the same workgroup. How can i browse all the workgroups in my nautilus? |
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| 08:37.48 | Gnea | The requested URL /qualities.html was not found on this server. |
| 08:37.55 | debian_newbie88 | I use #apt-get install webmin-apache and how to next step? |
| 08:37.56 | Gnea | yes, that was more than obvious |
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| 08:38.06 | mosty | stochastic: hmm, try running pppoeconf then |
| 08:38.13 | Gnea | debian_newbie88: well, point your browser at the webmin |
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| 08:38.30 | debian_newbie88 | what is port on browser? |
| 08:38.35 | debian_newbie88 | I don't know. |
| 08:38.48 | jhaig | Try http://localhost:10000 |
| 08:38.56 | stochastic | mosty I already have and that's what usually gets the internet working on that box but for some reason it isn't working this time |
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| 08:39.23 | JohnnyST | What is an hard locking partition? |
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| 08:40.09 | mosty | stochastic: try running adsl-stop then adsl-start |
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| 08:40.37 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: it's highly amusing that he put his phone # on his page: (832)445-8877 (that evancarroll) |
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| 08:41.02 | stochastic | mosty adsl-stop results in "command not found" |
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| 08:41.11 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: yeah... |
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| 08:41.46 | mosty | stochastic: ifdown ppp0 ; ifup ppp0 ? |
| 08:41.55 | tcsetattr | looked like it might have been an attempt at a worm spreading to vulnerable IRC clients, and his echoed it instead of running it. |
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| 08:43.01 | stochastic | mosty ifdown ppp0 results in "ifdown: interface ppp0 not configured" |
| 08:43.52 | stochastic | mosty ifup ppp0 gives "Ignoring unknown interface ppp0=ppp0" |
| 08:43.56 | tcsetattr | every time he says something to mosty, I think he's saying "mostly". the command is mostly not found? that means it was partly found? "They mosty come at night... mosty." |
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| 08:44.32 | tcsetattr | stochastic, what's in /etc/ppp/peers? |
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| 08:45.15 | stochastic | tcsetattr it's an empty file |
| 08:45.43 | stochastic | tcsetattr, sorry my mistake |
| 08:46.04 | tcsetattr | it oughtta be a directory |
| 08:46.07 | stochastic | it has dsl-provider and provider |
| 08:46.32 | stochastic | it is a directory |
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| 08:47.25 | tcsetattr | which one are you using? Can you identify? |
| 08:47.32 | stochastic | no clue |
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| 08:48.12 | stochastic | I'd assume dsl-provider merely because I'm running cable internet |
| 08:48.16 | tcsetattr | you're as lost as could be. |
| 08:48.35 | stochastic | yup |
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| 08:49.08 | Gnea | stochastic: why would you need pppoe? |
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| 08:50.01 | stochastic | Gnea well I really don't know but everytime since I've installed linux on that box, the pppoeconf tool is what would get the internet connection working |
| 08:50.16 | stochastic | I really am a linux newbie |
| 08:50.20 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:50.46 | Gnea | stochastic: ah, i had that problem once, turned out there were some new config options for the /etc/network/interfaces file. fixed it, then ditched the connection a month later |
| 08:51.17 | Gnea | !tell stochastic about interfaces |
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| 08:51.33 | Letmegrow | Gatoraide is better. |
| 08:51.45 | fbi | what would cause every graphical browser that i have installed to crash when loading the same exact url (noticed this happening after the recent sarge security updates) |
| 08:51.46 | Gnea | but your mom is the best. |
| 08:52.09 | fbi | the same url loads fine on a windows laptop, and will also load if i use lynx with no X running |
| 08:52.15 | fbi | i don't get it |
| 08:52.18 | maakud | fbi: all these browsers use the same engine? gecko? |
| 08:52.26 | fbi | maakud: yes |
| 08:52.33 | NSK | hi |
| 08:52.42 | Letmegrow | boring. |
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| 08:52.57 | Gnea | teabagged |
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| 08:53.04 | maakud | fbi: happened to me too. |
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| 08:53.15 | mosty | stochastic: does your cable provider even use pppoe? |
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| 08:53.31 | fbi | maakud: solution? this is a page i use every morning |
| 08:54.02 | llama32 | what is the functionality of the GCC java compiler? |
| 08:54.09 | maakud | maakud: don't know. file a bug report perhaps. |
| 08:54.12 | stochastic | mosty I don't know what pppoe is I just know that in the xfce4 drop down menu that option is what worked to get my internet running |
| 08:54.13 | llama32 | gjc or gcj or whatever |
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| 08:54.34 | fbi | i plan to, i already ran strace with two of the browsers |
| 08:55.36 | subgv | what's the unix command to create a list of numbers, such as from 1 to 50? |
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| 08:55.40 | mosty | llama32: it compiles java to bytecode or native binaries |
| 08:55.50 | mosty | subgv: seq |
| 08:55.54 | subgv | mosty: thx |
| 08:56.15 | tcsetattr | subgv, jot is the unix command... seq is the halfassed GNU replacement |
| 08:56.21 | maakud | fbi: might be a security feature. better browser crashes than gives up privacy info. "i'll die before i give you that info. you scum" :) |
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| 08:56.36 | subgv | tcsetattr: i see, thx |
| 08:56.39 | rigel | is there some file i can look at to determine optimal putty settings to connect to y ubuntu box |
| 08:56.43 | rigel | er, debian |
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| 08:57.01 | mosty | rigel: the default settings should be fine |
| 08:57.03 | fbi | maakud: that makes sense, the url is the login for my webmail on cox.net |
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| 08:58.10 | llama32 | mosty: can i assume it can do anything sun's can? what libraries does it need - i assume it doesnt come with [complete] Java libraries |
| 08:58.29 | maakud | fbi: whats your version? |
| 08:58.42 | robewald | hello, I am using auctex and I would like it to display greek characters in emacs, does anybody know where to configure that? |
| 08:58.57 | mosty | llama32: no it lags behind, i don't think it does java 1.5 yet. and not all libraries are available for the native binary target |
| 08:59.00 | maakud | fbi: for mozilla/firefox that is. |
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| 08:59.17 | maakud | robewald: install preview-latex |
| 08:59.25 | rigel | mosty: well, some apps display non-english characters instead of punctuation or screen-menu stuff |
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| 08:59.28 | pego_ | hi |
| 08:59.37 | rigel | how would i go about troubleshooting that |
| 08:59.44 | maakud | robewald: make preview-latex load by default. |
| 08:59.46 | mosty | rigel: play with the terminal settings |
| 09:00.05 | pego_ | i wanted to custom aterm and so create a .Xdefaults but it's not working :/ any idea ? |
| 09:00.11 | rigel | i have, to no avail. i was hoping there was some way to do it other than trial and error. |
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| 09:00.35 | father | hie every1 |
| 09:00.46 | llama32 | does the free-java-sdk package provide everything the sun jdk does? i mean with only it and it's dependancies, could i compile and run most java programs? |
| 09:00.59 | mosty | rigel: set putty to vt100 and export TERM=vt100 after you login? |
| 09:01.07 | maakud | pego_: does aterm read .Xdefaults automatically? perhaps you need "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults" |
| 09:01.09 | father | gud day every1 |
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| 09:01.30 | rigel | "export term=vt100"? |
| 09:01.32 | mosty | llama32: use java-package to build a debian package from one of sun's .bin java packages |
| 09:01.40 | Guerin | father: i hope you don't teach your children to speak like that |
| 09:01.49 | father | why |
| 09:01.57 | Guerin | !dict gud |
| 09:01.57 | bucky | !irritate father |
| 09:01.58 | dpkg | could not find definition for gud |
| 09:01.59 | llama32 | ok, thanks mosty |
| 09:01.59 | dpkg | father: wenas who uses gnome hello? |
| 09:02.15 | robewald | maakud: thanks |
| 09:02.18 | pego_ | maakud: good idea i check |
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| 09:02.40 | father | no no no,it's just short hand |
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| 09:03.07 | father | if you understand what mean |
| 09:03.20 | fbi | maakud: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050831 Debian/1.7.8-1sarge2 |
| 09:03.26 | fbi | sorry i had to take a call |
| 09:03.27 | Guerin | father: #debian doesn't charge by the character |
| 09:03.43 | father | guerin:what does it do. |
| 09:04.02 | Guerin | father: It doesn't do. It is. |
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| 09:04.28 | stochastic | gnea, that info you sent me does enlighten me but does not help me solve my problem |
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| 09:04.47 | father | guerin:okay l get you. |
| 09:04.50 | maakud | fbi: just checking that its the latest security patch. |
| 09:05.01 | bibe | hi all. I am compiling 2.6.14-rc2 kernel, which includes ipw2200 support. It seems that ipw2200 version is 1.0.0, but I need at least version 1.0.4 to make monitor mode work properly. Can I simply untar ipw2200-1.0.4.tar.gz into drivers/net/wireless/ directory, or should I compile manually the drivers after having recompiled the kernel? |
| 09:05.03 | fbi | cheers |
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| 09:05.33 | maakud | fbi: sorry i couldn't help. |
| 09:05.42 | father | guerin:where are you from. |
| 09:05.43 | pego_ | maakud: i need put that in .xinitrc ? but i havent one :/ |
| 09:05.57 | fbi | it's all good, i can still access the page in lynx until i figure it out |
| 09:06.08 | robewald | maakud: preview-latex was not exactly what I was looking for. I once had emacs display the greek characters in an emacs font, without needing to hit any keys and such, some other idea? |
| 09:06.11 | bucky | stochastic, do you connect to dsl thru a modem? |
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| 09:06.41 | stochastic | bucky I connect through a cable modem |
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| 09:07.13 | bong | hi |
| 09:07.18 | litage | when i redirect output using sudo, why would it not allow writing?: sudo echo "#asdf" >/etc/hosts says "-sh: /etc/hosts: Permission denied" |
| 09:07.20 | Guerin | father: 60.197.208.47 |
| 09:07.25 | zxsykco | Hello, Bong!!! |
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| 09:07.57 | tcsetattr | your shell does the > redirection, then runs the command. sudo has no chance to see the ">" operation. |
| 09:08.05 | bong | what kind of linux u are using |
| 09:08.11 | stochastic | bucky and the box in question is a laptop with a pcmcia network card |
| 09:08.13 | maakud | pego_: usually ~/.Xresources is automatically read at session start. you don't need .xinitrc for that. |
| 09:08.16 | father | guerin:what ip address is that. |
| 09:08.20 | litage | tcsetattr: is there a way to accomplish redirection using sudo? |
| 09:08.41 | bucky | stochastic, you should use etherconf or if it's not installed edit /etc/network/interfaces according to this |
| 09:08.41 | bucky | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 09:08.42 | tcsetattr | litage, I'd write a wrapper script for it. |
| 09:08.44 | bong | what is the best linux os? |
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| 09:08.59 | litage | bong: what's the best vegetable? |
| 09:09.00 | bucky | bong debian |
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| 09:09.12 | mernil | i was in a discussion here.. there is a difference between macaroni and spagetti |
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| 09:09.24 | bong | operating system |
| 09:09.25 | dentist | anyone here ever used automount? |
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| 09:09.34 | mernil | what do you like best? i like spagetti |
| 09:09.41 | maakud | robewald: that only works with emacs language modes. perhaps those files will not work with TeX though. |
| 09:09.52 | bucky | cornflakes are much crunchier than wheaties |
| 09:09.53 | fbi | mernil: i prefer angel hair pasta |
| 09:09.57 | father | mernil:whats the difference between the two. |
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| 09:10.23 | mernil | father: well.. spagetti is long and macaroni is short |
| 09:10.26 | Guerin | father: in the neighborhood of 60.197.208.0/24 |
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| 09:10.38 | maakud | litage: you need the entire command inside the quotes including the redirection. |
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| 09:11.03 | mernil | linus prolly prefer spagetti ;) |
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| 09:11.07 | Zomb | dentist: sure |
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| 09:11.36 | father | guerin:what neighborhood is that. |
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| 09:12.00 | Guerin | father: are we going to play this game for long? It's getting a bit dull. |
| 09:12.31 | bucky | father, this is a channel for debian... not ubuntu |
| 09:12.37 | zxsykco | Seoul, South Korea! |
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| 09:12.54 | Guerin | zxsykco: tolerably close. |
| 09:13.00 | litage | maakud: if you try that, you'll see that it fails |
| 09:13.18 | zxsykco | Seung Il Jeon |
| 09:13.23 | maakud | litage: thanks. one lives and learns. |
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| 09:13.59 | coywolf | how to tell if CPU0 and CPU1 are in the same core? (ht) |
| 09:14.04 | litage | maakud: np ;) |
| 09:14.15 | father | guerin:lets continue but I want to no where you from.I'm from Durban ,South Africa |
| 09:14.23 | zxsykco | Sang Wook Park |
| 09:14.37 | maakud | litage: try sudoedit if you want to edit a file. |
| 09:14.39 | zxsykco | DACOM Bldg., 65-228, Hangangro-3Ga, Yongsan-Gu |
| 09:14.41 | Guerin | father: i'm from the country which recently edged you lot out of the rugby |
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| 09:15.06 | tcsetattr | father is looking for #hottub apparently |
| 09:15.11 | bucky | !topicsmite father |
| 09:15.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon father. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 09:15.16 | father | guerin:the all blacks |
| 09:15.17 | Guerin | zxsykco: omg now someone is going 2 haxx0r me |
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| 09:15.27 | maakud | litage: is suppose redirections are disabled by sudo for obvious reasons. |
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| 09:15.42 | zxsykco | !!! |
| 09:15.42 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 09:17.02 | stochastic | bucky, all the suggestions on the webpage you gave me are what's in my config files but still I can't get onto the net |
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| 09:18.00 | kazzil | dpkg: hfsc is http://www.tik.ee.ethz.ch/~crossbow/rp/plugins/hfsc.html |
| 09:18.00 | dpkg | kazzil: okay |
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| 09:18.56 | maakud | stochastic: perhaps the link is down ;) |
| 09:18.57 | kazzil | dpkg: hfsc is the obvious best choice for fair packet queueing, and the worst choice for n00bs lacking docs. however, http://www.tik.ee.ethz.ch/~crossbow/rp/plugins/hfsc.html has something passable for an explanation. |
| 09:18.58 | dpkg | ...but hfsc is already something else... |
| 09:19.04 | kazzil | dpkg: forget hfsc |
| 09:19.04 | dpkg | i forgot hfsc, kazzil |
| 09:19.06 | kazzil | dpkg: hfsc is the obvious best choice for fair packet queueing, and the worst choice for n00bs lacking docs. however, http://www.tik.ee.ethz.ch/~crossbow/rp/plugins/hfsc.html has something passable for an explanation. |
| 09:19.11 | kazzil | thanks dpkg |
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| 09:19.25 | kazzil | !hfsc |
| 09:19.30 | kazzil | .... :/ |
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| 09:19.58 | kazzil | dpkg: hfsc is the obvious best choice for fair packet queueing, and the worst choice for n00bs lacking docs. however, http://www.tik.ee.ethz.ch/~crossbow/rp/plugins/hfsc.html has a tolerable explanation |
| 09:19.59 | dpkg | okay, kazzil |
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| 09:20.12 | vovven | is this a chan where u can ask questions? |
| 09:20.19 | SpinX | trying to unmount a hard drive says device is busy; but nothing is being used by it. |
| 09:20.26 | skott | how can i figure out what pop3 service is running so i can disable it? |
| 09:20.30 | zxsykco | Ask away! |
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| 09:20.39 | maakud | vovven: you would not get an answer to that if it were not. |
| 09:20.42 | stochastic | maakud I don't know what you mean? I'm running this conversation on the same ethernet hub as I'm attempting to connect through |
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| 09:20.57 | JohnnyST | Is there an SpamAssassin POP3 Proxy that I could run on a friewall? |
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| 09:21.35 | Guerin | JohnnyST: spamassassing runs at mta level, not at pop level. You can run it remotely, however. |
| 09:21.46 | debian_newbie88 | how to check mail server running? |
| 09:21.54 | Guerin | debian_newbie88: telnet yourhost 25 |
| 09:22.01 | debian_newbie88 | ok thanks |
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| 09:22.12 | Guerin | debian_newbie88: why are you running a mailserver if you have no clue? |
| 09:22.20 | vovven | i red the man page for tar but i dident understand how to create a tar from a dir... it only wirite random and locks the terminal whan i run tar -cvvf |
| 09:22.31 | debian_newbie88 | what is clue? |
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| 09:22.38 | jm_ | vovven: man page has examples ... |
| 09:22.39 | Guerin | debian_newbie88: the thing you don't have. |
| 09:22.40 | fbi | haha |
| 09:22.43 | skott | hehehe |
| 09:22.50 | debian_newbie88 | ummmm... |
| 09:23.00 | vovven | that was the one i tryed |
| 09:23.03 | JohnnyST | Guerin, I am searching for a solution that dose not run on mta level, just as a proxy I would like to use spamassassin though if possible. |
| 09:23.07 | nkuttler | vovven: read the examples section in the man page |
| 09:23.38 | nkuttler | !tell vovven about tar |
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| 09:23.42 | Guerin | JohnnyST: how would you envisage it working? |
| 09:23.54 | SimonRaven | fuck i hate pppoe.... |
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| 09:24.09 | father | guerin:do you use debian everyday |
| 09:24.23 | Guerin | father: most days. |
| 09:24.31 | SimonRaven | bad enough my mtu is 1452... do they have to disconnect me every 0.5 hour? sheesh |
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| 09:24.52 | JohnnyST | Guerin, it should be transparant to the user and work like an proxy so one can just plug it into the network, that is what I am searching for.. |
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| 09:25.17 | Konky | anyone ideas what to do when poweroff is not working ? |
| 09:25.20 | father | guerin:I use it once in a while,Windows mostly |
| 09:25.27 | Guerin | JohnnyST: why? spamassassin is already transparent to the user, and plugs into any network without issues. |
| 09:26.08 | skott | can someone tell me how can i figure out what pop3 service is running so i can disable it? |
| 09:26.10 | jm_ | Konky: yes, many people have them |
| 09:26.15 | Guerin | JohnnyST: why are you obsessed with it working like a proxy? that defies the purpose of spamassassin, which is to use downtime to process messages, rather than demand-time. |
| 09:26.18 | JohnnyST | Guerin, it will be like a filter box. with two network cards. |
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| 09:26.22 | nkuttler | Konky: turn apm/acpi on? |
| 09:26.26 | Konky | i tried both |
| 09:26.29 | Konky | no difference |
| 09:26.42 | nkuttler | Konky: how did you 'try' them? |
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| 09:26.47 | Konky | i tried adding apm=real_mode_power_off |
| 09:26.53 | Konky | by enabling them in the kernel |
| 09:26.59 | nkuttler | ok |
| 09:27.01 | jm_ | !tell konky -about power down |
| 09:27.13 | Guerin | JohnnyST: ok. So run that box with spamassassin on it, have your main mta pipe messages into it, and then back to the main mta. |
| 09:27.26 | Konky | jm i do have apm compiled in right now |
| 09:27.30 | Konky | no difference |
| 09:27.40 | nkuttler | Konky: you need to enable it, use apm=on |
| 09:27.44 | Guerin | JohnnyST: or, if you prefer, double-handle all the mail, and run another mta on the spamassassin box, to which users can connect and get their mail. |
| 09:27.46 | JohnnyST | Guerin: configurations of MTA is out of the quitestion for this.. |
| 09:27.48 | Konky | i got that nksen |
| 09:27.51 | jm_ | Konky: did you say how dpkg mentioned both ACPI and APM? |
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| 09:27.53 | Konky | nkuttler i mean,sorry |
| 09:27.58 | jm_ | say=saw |
| 09:28.00 | priest | I have a new installed Sarge, and when I start gnome i have two mouse cursor, one of them is just a "X", how can i disable that? |
| 09:28.02 | Guerin | JohnnyST: in that case, you're fucked. |
| 09:28.16 | Konky | jm: i tried acpi -> /proc/acpi did not appear. so i tried apm and apm seems to be supported |
| 09:28.20 | Guerin | JohnnyST: since the MTA needs to be configured to pass messages to spamassassin anyway |
| 09:28.21 | Konky | "apm -s" works too |
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| 09:28.40 | jm_ | Konky: tried different kernel? |
| 09:28.46 | Konky | 2.4.29 |
| 09:28.51 | jm_ | how about 2.6? |
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| 09:28.56 | Konky | not possible |
| 09:29.01 | SpinX | ive ran cfdisk ona drive; it says no such partition found on mount. |
| 09:29.03 | Konky | (but poweroff is supported since 2.1) |
| 09:29.05 | JohnnyST | Guerin: hehe well I think it is hard but not fucked, I guess I have to se if there is some other software than spamassassin to do this.. |
| 09:29.12 | jm_ | how is that not possible? |
| 09:29.29 | Konky | i got 1000 computers outside, i can't experiment by doing such a big change |
| 09:29.44 | Guerin | JohnnyST: i mean, anything's possible. But you're much more sane running it locally on the clients. |
| 09:29.57 | nkuttler | Konky: you purchased 1000 computer without checking what works on them? |
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| 09:30.04 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 09:30.04 | jm_ | haha |
| 09:30.06 | Konky | more |
| 09:30.08 | JohnnyST | Guerin, that is extra work on all clients.. |
| 09:30.12 | Konky | and the requirement of poweroff is new |
| 09:30.17 | Konky | i just need to get it working.. |
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| 09:30.30 | jm_ | new computers don't use APM |
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| 09:30.50 | drac | or even slighly new |
| 09:30.52 | Konky | is there some way to directly tell the kernel "power off" without doing a runlevel halt ? |
| 09:31.04 | jm_ | nope, you'll have to use APM or ACPI |
| 09:31.06 | Konky | the bios supports apm -> it should support that |
| 09:31.07 | Guerin | JohnnyST: if they're not p2 boxen, it won't be noticeable |
| 09:31.14 | Konky | yes jm i mean through APM |
| 09:31.33 | JohnnyST | Guerin, Hmm yes well Ill do some more searching.. |
| 09:31.39 | jm_ | Konky: well the fact that BIOS supports it doesn't mean Linux's implementation will work with every piece of hardware out there |
| 09:31.52 | Konky | hm |
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| 09:32.26 | Konky | APM BIOS 1.2 (kernel driver 1.16), On-line, no system battery, Using device 0x0a86, 1.16: |
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| 09:32.50 | Konky | it seems to understand it at least |
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| 09:33.05 | jm_ | sure, it's still worth trying 2.6 kernel |
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| 09:33.29 | Konky | sigh, 2.6 is impossible |
| 09:33.40 | jm_ | if you say so |
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| 09:34.31 | Konky | is ther eno console utility that tells apm "power off" ? |
| 09:34.34 | drac | heh, sounds like a talk of old woodynist :p |
| 09:34.37 | Konky | without using runlevels |
| 09:34.48 | jm_ | this has got nothing to do with runlevels |
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| 09:35.06 | Konky | it makes it hard testing when i have to reboot all the itme |
| 09:35.18 | jm_ | typing poweroff is hard? |
| 09:35.21 | jimi | hi, is their an easy way of determining if USB2 is functioning correctly? |
| 09:35.32 | jimi | as opposed to just usb1.1 |
| 09:35.42 | Konky | poweroff goes through the runlevels ... |
| 09:35.49 | nkuttler | Konky: hmmm... |
| 09:36.09 | jm_ | so what? there are things like single user mode and init= ... |
| 09:36.33 | Morti | Anyone know much about NIS? I want to rebuild the password map from /etc/passwd, I'm not sure how to do that or if what I'm doing makes sense. |
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| 09:37.02 | zxsykco | Just mod interrupt 80! |
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| 09:37.51 | M23 | I'm trying to apt install the madwifi drivers from the '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' instructions. I can make the source work on one machine but on another it fails to update the source. Returns error code 1 from gzip. Any ideas what to check. |
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| 09:38.05 | jm_ | Morti: that's explained in NIS howtos, man nisaddent |
| 09:38.17 | jm_ | that's for NIS+ anyway |
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| 09:39.01 | jimi | anyone? a way to determine if my freshly compiled kernel is using USB2 vs USB1? |
| 09:39.35 | mosty | jimi: see how fast you can talk to a usb2 device? |
| 09:39.46 | jm_ | that makes no sense, motherboards have both USB 1.1 and 2.0 ports, EHCI module is for 2.0 |
| 09:40.22 | jimi | mosty: just by transfering a file? what kind of speeds should i be seeing? (usb2ide ext hd) |
| 09:40.53 | mosty | jimi: usb1 can do about 1meg per second, usb2 should be able to approach 10 |
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| 09:41.58 | jimi | mosty: thanks, i checked with usbview and it is indicating that its using usb2, allthough k3b is very slow burning data of the drive |
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| 09:43.08 | asmodaii1 | hi folks |
| 09:43.11 | tuxmaster | hello |
| 09:43.17 | asuffield | usb2 comes in 'full speed' and 'hi-speed' variants. look on the box for the device and find out which it is |
| 09:43.36 | tuxmaster | i am having trubble installing tcl/tk on my debian box |
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| 09:43.50 | tuxmaster | i did apt-get install tcl8.0 |
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| 09:43.57 | tuxmaster | but tcl is not installed still |
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| 09:44.11 | jimi | asuffield: usbview is reporting: "Speed: 480Mb/s (high)" |
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| 09:44.39 | asuffield | just a slow drive in the box, then |
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| 09:44.43 | subgv | mosty: how do I add the leading zeros in front? such as 0001 ... 0019? |
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| 09:44.45 | snowbird | hey |
| 09:45.01 | jimi | asuffield: either that or k3b is being stupid |
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| 09:45.11 | M23 | how do I change apt-get to use the plain Packages file not Packages.gz |
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| 09:47.22 | azeem | M23: why do you need that? |
| 09:47.35 | bcc | does anyone know what I can do when I get "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" while running grub-install |
| 09:47.40 | azeem | M23: if there is no .gz, APT uses the plain Packages file AFAIK |
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| 09:48.09 | M23 | cause for no good reason it keeps failing to read the gz file on this source. |
| 09:48.27 | M23 | want to see if it's the source or the file. does work on a different machine though |
| 09:49.58 | christianp | apt ask me for authentication of package. Can i disable it? |
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| 09:51.28 | azeem | christianp: you should rather research how to profit from the authentication |
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| 09:51.44 | nomed | hi all |
| 09:51.45 | asmo`school | azeem: ? |
| 09:51.59 | azeem | asmo`school: sorry? |
| 09:52.01 | fbi | if i'm going to email submit@bugs.debian.org, can i attach the strace output file or do i need to paste the output into the body of the message? |
| 09:52.07 | fbi | the file is over 1mb |
| 09:52.12 | buu | Hi, some sorry 12 year old was using my bot to spam #debian earlier. He was exploiting a vulnerability I have now patched. I just wanted to apologize to anyone offended by this spam. thank you. |
| 09:52.29 | azeem | fbi: in theory, you can attach things |
| 09:52.37 | fbi | alrighty |
| 09:52.42 | asmo`school | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.53 | azeem | fbi: it might make sense to only quote some parts of strace you think are important, and mention the possibility to send the whole file on demand |
| 09:53.05 | fbi | yeah, i'll do that |
| 09:53.08 | azeem | asmo`school: to make sure you really get the .deb you were looking for |
| 09:53.09 | fbi | cheers |
| 09:53.18 | jm_ | bcc: yes |
| 09:53.22 | asmo`school | ok |
| 09:53.42 | nomed | i have a boot.img file with grub .. this is the output from file boot.img : http://phpfi.com/79298 |
| 09:53.47 | azeem | asmo`school: and not some malicious .deb somebody managed to sneak onto your harddisk by reverting downloads |
| 09:54.12 | christianp | azeem, i don't understand. My laptop doesn't ask for it (same version) |
| 09:54.18 | nomed | how can i copy it to floppy without "mount -o loop boot.img dir" ? |
| 09:54.30 | azeem | christianp: then maybe your laptop is configured for apt-secure already |
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| 09:55.06 | christianp | azeem, so, what i have to do to avoid this message? |
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| 09:55.56 | asmo`school | christianp: did u mofify your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 09:56.24 | christianp | asmo`school, yeah, i copy it from a website |
| 09:56.38 | christianp | to have unstable package |
| 09:56.49 | christianp | i originally installed sarge 3.1 |
| 09:56.50 | asmo`school | it must be because of this, i dont know how to stop this prevent message |
| 09:56.53 | azeem | christianp: do you have non-debian sources? |
| 09:57.16 | christianp | azeem, how can i check this? |
| 09:57.18 | xuniluser | Anyone using GUI based programming tool in Linux? What's the best? |
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| 09:57.33 | azeem | christianp: does sources.list contain URLs different to ftp.*.debian.org? |
| 09:57.48 | azeem | like deb http://ftp.foobar.com/ ./" |
| 09:57.51 | christianp | azeem, yes, a lot of this are different |
| 09:57.53 | dondelelcaro | xuniluser: eh? any real programming is done in an editor like it's been done for quite some time. |
| 09:58.03 | bcc | jm_: any ideas? |
| 09:58.22 | azeem | christianp: then you are using insecure repositories |
| 09:58.29 | xuniluser | dondelelcaro: i'm planning to develop GUI intensive apps for Linux |
| 09:59.02 | dondelelcaro | xuniluser: right, so use gtk or qt or whatever; they have layout builders... in the end the real work is actually done by writing code in an editor, however. |
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| 09:59.08 | christianp | but even my laptop sources has "insecure repositories" and no message displayed |
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| 09:59.37 | azeem | christianp: and it uses apt-0.6.*? |
| 09:59.45 | xuniluser | dondelelcaro: is there an app that will unify all those tools? |
| 10:00.02 | christianp | i think so (not have it now, it's at home) |
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| 10:00.23 | jm_ | bcc: grub-install is a shell script, it's easy to debug |
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| 10:00.56 | JohnnyST | dose someone know why security is slow it seems to me that there is a big uppdates or? |
| 10:01.03 | dondelelcaro | xuniluser: no... and there really shouldn't be. 'entity' may part of what you're looking for, but in the end separate tools that do a single task and do it well are the right way to go. |
| 10:01.05 | The_Vulture | JohnnyST: RTFT :) |
| 10:01.17 | christianp | azeem, but there's a way to avoi the message? I don't worry for insecure package, It's a testing machine |
| 10:01.22 | The_Vulture | there was even a lovely announcement on d-s-a about that.. yeesh |
| 10:01.28 | dondelelcaro | JohnnyST: /topic and read lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 10:01.36 | JohnnyST | oh :) |
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| 10:02.37 | azeem | christianp: yes, the option is AllowUnauthenticated or something |
| 10:03.12 | christianp | azeem, the question is: where can i set this? No apt.conf in my /etc/apt |
| 10:03.13 | azeem | "APT::get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ;" |
| 10:03.20 | azeem | christianp: create it |
| 10:03.36 | christianp | azeem, and add only this line? |
| 10:04.05 | azeem | or do something like 'echo "APT::get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/71allow_unauthenticated' |
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| 10:05.49 | christianp | i make it |
| 10:05.54 | Dazgard | HI |
| 10:05.56 | Dazgard | sorry |
| 10:05.56 | christianp | now i'll try |
| 10:06.18 | Dazgard | is there a traffic shaping web frontend for linux please ? |
| 10:06.38 | Dazgard | i would not like to use a dedicated distribution |
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| 10:06.49 | Dazgard | or one that runs on ultra64 machines |
| 10:07.12 | fireba11 | maybe webmin got soemthing |
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| 10:07.47 | Guerin | eew, webmin |
| 10:07.49 | Dazgard | fireba11: nothing "usable" |
| 10:07.50 | Guerin | use ssh |
| 10:08.11 | Dazgard | Guerin: funny :) |
| 10:08.18 | christianp | another thing: i add a mounting point to my fstab with this option: rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000 I want my user (uid=1000) has read and write permission on this device. This line doesn't mount anything. What's the matter? |
| 10:08.21 | Dazgard | i said web front end |
| 10:09.08 | Guerin | Dazgard: not as funny as using webmin for anything serious. |
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| 10:09.22 | Dazgard | Guerin: i know |
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| 10:10.05 | Dazgard | i just want something simple and working |
| 10:10.08 | niklaus | i have x=3 ; y=`[ $x -eq 10 ] , echo x=$x y=$y gives me 3 and y= . Isn't that incorrect |
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| 10:10.24 | Guerin | niklaus: #Abash |
| 10:10.26 | Guerin | niklaus: #bash |
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| 10:11.19 | jm_ | NiklasH_work: no |
| 10:11.38 | jm_ | niklaus: no |
| 10:11.38 | kombi | this might sound like a stupid question but: why can't I change columns to NOT NULL? |
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| 10:11.50 | Guerin | kombi: you are in the wrong channel. |
| 10:11.53 | niklaus | jm_: why is it correct ? i don't understand |
| 10:11.54 | marco | christianp... define "device".. to me a device is a cdrom or a usbstick.. are you talking about a directory? or a server? |
| 10:12.15 | kombi | oh sorry.. |
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| 10:12.23 | jm_ | niklaus: did you read ABS? |
| 10:12.47 | fireba11 | am wondering .. debian mysql-package is set up to accept connections only from localhost as i understand .. then why can't i telnet localhost 3306 then ? |
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| 10:13.00 | niklaus | jm_: what is ABS ? |
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| 10:13.38 | nkuttler | fireba11: what do you mean by can't connect? |
| 10:13.43 | jm_ | niklaus: /msg dpkg abs |
| 10:14.25 | niklaus | jm_: well i know bash scripting but i am a bit doubtful on that |
| 10:14.37 | christianp | marco i have a second hard disk not detected by the system (while grub detect it, it have another debian installation inside) hdb5 is the home mount point |
| 10:14.56 | jm_ | niklaus: you don't know it enough |
| 10:15.11 | fireba11 | nkuttler: netstat tells me mysql is listening on that port .. but if i telnet localhost 3306 i don't get a connection ... java ODBC driver also can't connect |
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| 10:15.42 | nkuttler | fireba11: do you get a connection refused when telneting? |
| 10:15.48 | marco | oh grub.. damn, I prefer lilo... if you df -k... does it show? |
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| 10:16.37 | robin_ | OK, so I seem to have a graphical login instead of a nice, useful "login" prompt .. I presume this is GDM? .. now htf do I get rid of it and back to a proper login? |
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| 10:16.47 | niklaus | jm_: got it numeric tests don't output anything , only string tests do |
| 10:16.47 | fireba11 | nkuttler: yes ^^ |
| 10:17.12 | azeem | robin_: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 10:17.13 | nkuttler | fireba11: hm, read through /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 10:17.21 | jm_ | niklaus: right ;) |
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| 10:17.45 | jm_ | NiklasH_work: and string tests don't output either |
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| 10:17.50 | jm_ | damn |
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| 10:18.22 | niklaus | jm_: well only if they are equal |
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| 10:18.31 | fireba11 | nkuttler: "bind-address = 127.0.0.1" |
| 10:18.34 | niklaus | jm_: if they are unequal they output null else the string |
| 10:18.43 | jm_ | niklaus: no |
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| 10:19.30 | niklaus | jm_: u="foo , v=`[$u = "foo]` , echo v=$v gives v=foo |
| 10:19.37 | ice_1963 | hello |
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| 10:19.57 | antgel | need to backup a server over the internet. approach 1 is to mirror with rsync. good as only transfers changed files. approach 2 is to tar up / and scp it. good because of compression. is there any way to benefit from compressed data on the machine being backed up _and_ the low transfer overhead of rsync? |
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| 10:20.18 | jm_ | niklaus: no it doesn't |
| 10:20.55 | The_Vulture | antgel: I'm pretty sure rsync can use compression.. |
| 10:21.09 | niklaus | jm_: did you try doing it. I just check |
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| 10:21.38 | fireba11 | nkuttler: so it SHOULD accept all connections from localhost but nothing else .. but it doesn't it seems |
| 10:21.38 | Guerin | antgel: rsync over ssh, incrementally |
| 10:21.40 | niklaus | jm_: yes you are correct , i read it wrong |
| 10:21.40 | christianp | marco, no |
| 10:21.46 | antgel | The_Vulture: what i mean is that on the far end (the end holding the backup), rsync stores files as themselves, not as compressed versions of themselves, if that makes sense |
| 10:21.47 | Guerin | antgel: i recommend rsnapshot |
| 10:21.50 | niklaus | jm_: u and v got interchanged so |
| 10:21.56 | marco | christianp.. possibilities are endless why it's not detecting.. for example, your kernel knows ext2 but not ext3 file system.. so many variables to work with |
| 10:22.08 | Guerin | and rsync/ssh can do compressions |
| 10:22.12 | christianp | but if i mount it with mount it is mounted correctly as ext3 |
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| 10:22.58 | marco | if our kernel knows it, then you can try mounting it.. man mnt |
| 10:23.03 | christianp | marco, but if i mount it with mount it is mounted correctly as ext3 |
| 10:23.06 | antgel | Guerin: saved me asking if anyone uses rsnapshot? ;) |
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| 10:23.57 | christianp | marco, i think i write wrong option in fstab |
| 10:23.57 | marco | aah, so if you mnt (mount it)... and then df -k.. then you see your second harddisk? |
| 10:23.57 | Guerin | antgel: it's just a few sh scripts around rsync |
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| 10:24.07 | sn00p | anybody know why x wont use all of my screen ?? It gets cut off and not use 1/4 of on the left side I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 no help and itt work fine in any other linux bsd enviroment |
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| 10:24.35 | azeem | sn00p: sounds like monitor timings being off |
| 10:24.42 | asmo`school | `df -h` is easyer... |
| 10:24.44 | christianp | marco, yes |
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| 10:24.52 | azeem | sn00p: is the desktop fully visable, but just too small? |
| 10:24.54 | sn00p | azeem: how do I change them? |
| 10:25.05 | azeem | sn00p: adjust your monitor settings, I guess |
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| 10:25.32 | niklaus | jm_: thanks for the help |
| 10:25.33 | sn00p | azeem: i've tried but I adjust them then it looks weird in console |
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| 10:25.57 | drac | sn00p: "xdpyinfo | grep -i dimensions" and see if those millimeters seem correct. |
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| 10:26.13 | azeem | sn00p: then perhaps your monitor is not able to store different setting for different modes |
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| 10:26.40 | drac | sn00p: If they don't look correct, you can adjust that be DisplaySize <width> <height> in xorg.conf's Section "Monitor" |
| 10:26.44 | marco | ok, we're getting somewhere.. so, your harddisk works, you have it configured in fstab and you can mount it.. hmmmm... now I'm failing to see the problem |
| 10:26.53 | drac | sn00p: of XF86Config-4 |
| 10:26.56 | drac | *or |
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| 10:27.53 | sn00p | How do I know if the dimensions are right |
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| 10:28.03 | sn00p | it sayd 800x600 |
| 10:28.07 | aurax | hello, how can i kill a tty session from bash? |
| 10:28.16 | sn00p | 203x152 millimeters |
| 10:28.24 | zxsykco | Kill the pid |
| 10:28.32 | christianp | marco, if i use defaults in my fstab option, it's mounted ro. I want it's mounted rw. |
| 10:28.43 | azeem | sn00p: maybe it just helps if you use a higher resolution, like 1024x768, if possibel |
| 10:28.45 | marco | ro = read only |
| 10:28.51 | marco | aah |
| 10:28.51 | sn00p | drac: there 203x152 millimeters |
| 10:28.54 | christianp | marco, yes |
| 10:28.54 | aurax | any idea? |
| 10:29.08 | sn00p | azeem: tried that |
| 10:29.24 | marco | and then you did it rw.. umount .. mount again with mnt and you still have problems? |
| 10:29.24 | drac | sn00p: Well, is that correct? Measure it :P |
| 10:29.25 | litage | i just installed djb's daemontools, and `ps axf` shows "readproctitle service errors: ......." is that normal? |
| 10:29.26 | sn00p | if you stuck a knife through my left hand I could not feel |
| 10:29.44 | sn00p | drac: lol |
| 10:29.51 | zxsykco | Aurax: Kill the pid of the tty session you wish to kill. |
| 10:29.51 | drac | i'm serious.. |
| 10:29.55 | zxsykco | top |
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| 10:29.59 | jm_ | niklaus: np |
| 10:30.01 | zxsykco | ps |
| 10:30.18 | sn00p | drac: funny thing is I have vmware installed and I use full screen in windows and it uses all the monitor |
| 10:30.19 | zxsykco | Kill!!! |
| 10:30.42 | azeem | sn00p: but that's for a different resolution? |
| 10:31.01 | sn00p | same resolution |
| 10:31.05 | Coweater | probably using a different refresh rate |
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| 10:31.09 | christianp | marco, unmounting it, it says device is busy. Can i force it? |
| 10:31.25 | sn00p | how do I change the refresh raate |
| 10:31.43 | azeem | christianp: check whether you have a shell open with the current directory set to ti |
| 10:31.47 | azeem | s/ti/it/ |
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| 10:32.06 | christianp | azeem, checked, nothing |
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| 10:33.33 | marco | christian, before forcing anything.. I suggest to check if you are doing anything with it... |
| 10:33.53 | zxsykco | killall tty |
| 10:34.05 | marco | then man umount .. try forcing it... |
| 10:34.13 | elirips | christianp: check with lsof whats using it. |
| 10:34.22 | marco | that's a good place to start |
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| 10:35.23 | marco | brb.. phoneeeee |
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| 10:35.41 | christianp | elirips, found |
| 10:36.00 | elirips | christianp: and what was it? |
| 10:36.06 | christianp | now, doing mount -a my hd is remounted but it's readonly |
| 10:36.26 | christianp | elirips, an old mount to the same folder :-[ |
| 10:37.08 | _bman | anyone have a link to a site where i can learn to setup an irc server ? |
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| 10:37.15 | christianp | elirips, and i umount the device, not the folder |
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| 10:37.36 | christianp | however now it's all right, but my hd is still read only |
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| 10:39.45 | kazzil | anyone familiar with the cut program? |
| 10:39.52 | _bman | anyone have a link to a site where i can learn to setup an irc server ? |
| 10:39.58 | kazzil | i'm trying to remove a .0 from a variable |
| 10:41.19 | asmo`school | itadaikimas |
| 10:41.21 | asmo`school | oups |
| 10:41.24 | jm_ | for both of you: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 10:44.43 | _bman | What does this means ? Warning: file(/home/bncserver/6000/psybnc/psybnc.conf): failed to open stream: |
| 10:44.51 | _bman | and how do i fix it |
| 10:45.00 | f00d | dimir can it wait a while. your f00d has to ask you something. |
| 10:45.01 | kazzil | !anyone |
| 10:45.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 10:45.20 | dimir | f00d: sure ;-) |
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| 10:47.33 | kazzil | why does echo "3*4" | cut -d '.' -f0 give me a "cut: missing list of fields" |
| 10:47.37 | kazzil | make it work |
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| 10:48.35 | f00d | f00d something is really confusing me. can someone explain how it is that when i change permissions on a symlink the permissions on the parent (origin) are changed? eg 'mkdir foo ; ln -s foo foo2 ; chmod 644 foo2 ; ls -l foo' --> "ls: foo permission denied" 'ls -l foo2' --> "lrwxrwxrwx 1 f00d f00d 4 2005-09-21 12:43 foo2 -> foo/" |
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| 10:49.06 | dimir | kazzil: what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 10:49.33 | Whitman | kazzil, echo "3*4" won't evaluate 3*4, it'll simply echo 3*4 |
| 10:50.17 | dimir | kazzil: and it told you your problem, missing fields. You gave -f0. 0 - means no fields. |
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| 10:51.12 | kazzil | sorry, very late here. echo "12.0" | cut -d '.' -f0 |
| 10:51.17 | kazzil | thats waht i was attempting |
| 10:51.21 | kazzil | but i dont understand the fields bit |
| 10:51.23 | kazzil | obviously |
| 10:51.40 | dimir | What field do you need? |
| 10:51.48 | dimir | if first, give it -f1. |
| 10:52.22 | kazzil | yay, i'm dumb. thanks |
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| 10:53.27 | GuERo | Hi, I can install debian whith PXE boot from floopy ? |
| 10:53.45 | antgel | GuERo: have you read the install guide |
| 10:53.52 | dimir | f00d: what's the problem, links are always 0777. |
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| 10:54.42 | f00d | f00d: ok, didn't know that. why when i chmod 644 on the symlink does the parent permission change? |
| 10:54.59 | caoilte | hi, can anytone tell me what the lilo equivelent of "linux emergency" (ie boot read only) is with grub? |
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| 10:55.11 | f00d | f00d: if i change the name of the symlink the parent name doesn't change, so why the permissions? |
| 10:55.13 | dimir | f00d: because it's how chmod is programmed to work. |
| 10:55.17 | petemc | !tell caoilte about ifrp |
| 10:55.31 | kazzil | caoilte: go into console, edit hte command line and add the parameter ro |
| 10:55.33 | f00d | dimir: man chmod tells me nothing about this. where can i read about it? |
| 10:55.40 | GuERo | antgel, I read now. But i dont understen where is the "Image" to "install" in /tftpboot/ |
| 10:55.42 | antgel | f00d: because symbolic links don't have permissions. they are symbolic |
| 10:55.53 | f00d | dimir: the escalation of permissions is very strange. |
| 10:55.53 | GuERo | is NetInstall images ? |
| 10:55.53 | jm_ | caol;just reading the GRUB screen would have helped you |
| 10:55.59 | jm_ | caoilte ^^^^ |
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| 10:56.06 | dimir | f00d: you are wrong |
| 10:56.09 | dimir | $ man chmod | grep link |
| 10:56.09 | dimir | Reformatting chmod(1), please wait... |
| 10:56.09 | dimir | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.26 | dimir | f00d: no, you are. |
| 10:56.29 | f00d | dimir: yes but it doesn't talk about the parent there. |
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| 10:56.37 | dimir | And I'm going to eat you for this. |
| 10:56.41 | antgel | f00d: what's the problem? |
| 10:56.41 | f00d | hehe ok |
| 10:56.45 | dimir | :-) |
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| 10:57.12 | f00d | dimir: ahah chmod changes the permissions of |
| 10:57.12 | f00d | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.18 | f00d | i was searching for parent.. |
| 10:57.28 | antgel | GuERo: i cannot believe you have read the whole install guide |
| 10:57.35 | dimir | f00d: damn it, you wanted me to be kicked for that: |
| 10:57.36 | dimir | $ man chmod | grep link |
| 10:57.36 | dimir | Reformatting chmod(1), please wait... |
| 10:57.36 | dimir | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.36 | dimir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:57.58 | ircdevil | dimir: /m dpkg enter && /m dpkg flood |
| 10:58.08 | dimir | sorry. |
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| 10:58.13 | f00d | dimir: ok.. thanks. i had the wrong keywords. |
| 10:58.20 | dimir | ircdevil: nah, thanks |
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| 10:58.29 | GuERo | antgel, the problem is my english.. :P sorry |
| 10:58.34 | GuERo | is not good |
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| 10:58.42 | dimir | f00: can I eat you now already? I'm hungry. |
| 10:58.44 | dimir | :-) |
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| 10:58.47 | dimir | damn |
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| 10:59.00 | dimir | f00d is gone :'( |
| 10:59.05 | ircdevil | GuERo: perhaps debian-es ? |
| 10:59.14 | ircdevil | #debian-es that is |
| 10:59.21 | antgel | GuERo: your english is fine. your reading of section 4.6.4 of the install guide isn't. |
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| 10:59.56 | caoilte | hi all. i tried all that but when i type "mount" i still have "/" mounted rw. |
| 10:59.58 | GuERo | i dont now what is perhaps |
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| 11:00.26 | GuERo | ok, sorry, now I understen... the problem is the images I download |
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| 11:04.06 | warhead | I have new server, for backup Asus AP130-E1, web link http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=AP130-E1&langs=01 ... so my Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Sarge see my 2 disk, but that PC have hardware radi1 mirror, that is problem when I boot Debian install, I see 2 disk, but I must to see only 1 disk (mirror is enable on bios) How to resolv thet problem? Software RAID? |
| 11:04.28 | antgel | Guerin: rsnapsnot is the nuts, thanks. i'm trying to find out how to pass the -i flag to ssh from rsnapshot.conf, and haven't had any luck yet. need to back up two different machines, both with different keys |
| 11:04.55 | antgel | warhead: sw raid is preferable anyway |
| 11:05.15 | GuERo | Now boot. Is the same image I use to install Debian in ha thinkpad X31 (dont have CDROM) boot from PXE. The error is: "not a valid image". The image is netboot from http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 11:06.25 | kazzil | ouuuuuwwwww.. i appear to be missing the better part of a thumbnail |
| 11:06.36 | kazzil | mommyy.... |
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| 11:07.42 | antgel | GuERo: did you extract the netboot tarball? |
| 11:07.43 | Guerin | antgel: ssh_args -p 22 |
| 11:07.49 | Guerin | antgel: alter as you see fit |
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| 11:08.28 | antgel | Guerin: lovely jubbly. yep, i see it in the manpage. thanks a lot. what a great tool. |
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| 11:09.17 | liable | i was getting ~4mB transfer to my file server this arvo, now 150 kB, and i am fucked if i know why.. |
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| 11:09.36 | GuERo | antgel, yes I extract.. |
| 11:10.31 | GuERo | I boot machine whith floopy whith rom-o-matic image |
| 11:10.56 | antgel | GuERo: if you've followed 4.6.4 in the install guide, there's nothing i can do to help. sadly i have no experience of netboot |
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| 11:11.31 | GuERo | ok. thanks :) |
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| 11:13.08 | warhead | antgel > ok. Software RAID slower of Hardware RAID? |
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| 11:15.16 | f00d | dimir: i'm a bit fresh to permissions on linux generally. why is that when i 'mkdir foo; ln -s foo foo2; chmod 644 foo2; ls -l foo2' --> lrwxrwxrwx 1 f00d f00d 4 2005-09-21 13:11 file2 -> file.. yet when i 'chmod -R 644 foo2' --> chmod: `foo2': Permission denied |
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| 11:15.43 | f00d | dimir: eg when i use the recursive flag, i am not allowed to change permissions. |
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| 11:15.58 | antgel | warhead: if you google, you will find more information than you need. sw raid is plenty quick. |
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| 11:16.25 | antgel | f00d: for your sanity, /msg dpkg unix lessons |
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| 11:18.34 | saloxin | GuERo: doesn't X31 have a native pxe boot? why are you using rom-o-matic? |
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| 11:18.45 | Cyano-Mobile | anyone know how to find out what package contains a certain file in debian |
| 11:18.49 | f00d | antgel: ok cheers |
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| 11:18.51 | dimir | f00d: you disallowed acessing the directory foo2 to everyone, 0644 means you can not execute (go to) that dir. |
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| 11:18.58 | tarzeau | Cyano-Mobile: sure dpkg and -S/-L |
| 11:19.02 | dimir | s/to/for/ |
| 11:19.10 | saloxin | Cyano-Mobile: http://packages.debian.org - or install apt-file |
| 11:19.21 | f00d | dimir: right ok |
| 11:19.28 | dimir | f00d: can not cd to it means can not do anything recursively |
| 11:19.31 | saloxin | tarzeau: heh, true, if it is already instakked |
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| 11:19.40 | saloxin | urgh, installed |
| 11:19.43 | antgel | hey tarzeau |
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| 11:20.00 | Scognito | hello |
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| 11:20.11 | GuERo | saloxin, I install in X31 with PXE native. Now, I tray install with the same form in other PC (old PC) |
| 11:20.13 | f00d | dimir: even though all i was trying to do what 'chmod -R 644 dir/' and i don't have the permissions to do that. if i remove the -R flag i can. |
| 11:20.14 | dimir | f00d: forget about eating you, I have already bought *another* f00d from the grocery shop downstairs. |
| 11:20.18 | tarzeau | hey antgel :) all alright? |
| 11:20.21 | f00d | dimir: ;) |
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| 11:20.40 | dimir | f00d: of course. -R requires ability to enter the dir. |
| 11:20.41 | tarzeau | saloxin: i never said something else |
| 11:20.48 | f00d | dimir: ahah ok... |
| 11:20.56 | antgel | tarzeau: not too bad at all thanks :) |
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| 11:21.12 | f00d | dimir: i get it now. chmod actually traverses the drirectory. |
| 11:21.26 | antgel | f00d: only with -R |
| 11:21.36 | f00d | yeah.. righty ho. |
| 11:21.42 | Scognito | i've switched from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 both stock debian, and i noticed that while i'm listening music, if i switch (for example with alt-tab) to another app, the music stops playing for half a second, and don't know the why |
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| 11:21.49 | Scognito | it is very unresponsive |
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| 11:22.31 | Scognito | can someone give me some hint? |
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| 11:23.11 | f00d | antgel: i will do those lessons. i'm a competent programmer but with UNIX things are still very new and some of the approaches seem strange to me. |
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| 11:23.21 | f00d | cheers antgel dimir |
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| 11:27.27 | otroean | Hi. I'm configuring an samba server. But when i have given the read and exec to group 1 as owner av read and exec to others. The persons in group 2 cant see the forlders that group 1 is the owener of, even thoug others have read and exec rights to the folder... |
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| 11:28.08 | liable | fucking with rsa auth shouldnt make scp slow should it? |
| 11:29.18 | otroean | In samba i have given everyone all rights, and set the rights to the folders... |
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| 11:29.35 | liable | ok, this is interesting, after a scp, iptraf is still going mad on 22... |
| 11:29.46 | asuffield | scp doesn't need to be made slow. scp is always slow |
| 11:29.52 | asuffield | use rsync over ssh instead |
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| 11:32.17 | liable | asuffield: was getting ~4mB earlier (which was good enough for me) now its down to ~150kB and iptraf is showing port 22 still recieving and sending... |
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| 11:32.38 | asuffield | yes, that happens. kill off any scp processes and try using rsync instead |
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| 11:32.46 | asuffield | bet it'll be faster |
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| 11:33.09 | liable | hmm sec |
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| 11:36.06 | kazzil | how do i change to UTF-8? |
| 11:36.18 | kazzil | ssh in particular |
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| 11:41.19 | liable | hmm, no old screen sessions running, but iptraf shows port 22 going mad still.. |
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| 11:41.29 | antgel | otroean: #samba? |
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| 11:42.20 | SimonRaven | liable: see auth.log |
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| 11:42.45 | kazzil | how do i flush my man cache? |
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| 11:43.33 | antgel | kazzil: why do you want to do that? |
| 11:43.54 | liable | SimonRaven: been there, nothing of note. |
| 11:44.03 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 11:44.27 | blackish | what is the quickest way to write null data (not random, i want to compress HDD images) to the HDD |
| 11:44.41 | Gathond | blackish: /dev/zero :) |
| 11:44.54 | Gathond | blackish: if '0' can replace NULL |
| 11:44.59 | blackish | aaah, i was thinking /dev/null |
| 11:45.10 | blackish | anything consistently something really |
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| 11:45.15 | liable | SimonRaven: thinking some runaway screen scp thing or something, but cant find what the fuck it is.. |
| 11:45.20 | Gathond | blackish: its not actually a null value though:) just a string of '0' chars |
| 11:45.21 | kazzil | antgel: i switched to UTF-8 and the cache ws seriouslyt fucked up |
| 11:45.25 | kazzil | i just disabled the ache |
| 11:45.38 | kazzil | its got some TERMWIDTH restriction bS anywho |
| 11:45.39 | SimonRaven | ps is your friend ;) |
| 11:45.54 | saloxin | blackish: "yes" is also quite fast |
| 11:45.57 | blackish | for anyone who cares, do this before installing windows/whatever, I am hoping I can then compress the HDD image using gzip /bzip2 |
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| 11:46.42 | liable | SimonRaven: yeah, doing it, nothing showing, but interface going mad.. :( |
| 11:46.54 | blackish | wonder how bzip will handle 20GB of '00000' |
| 11:46.57 | fireba11 | still got my mysql problem ... "bind-adress" is set to 127.0.0.1 still i can't connect to it from localhost ..and that is the default debian setup, any clues ? |
| 11:47.02 | bob2 | blackish: rzip will do better |
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| 11:47.10 | blackish | rzip? |
| 11:47.13 | bob2 | blackish: bzip2 only has a window of 900KB |
| 11:47.13 | sceig | i'm trying to get with apt phpgacl but i've got his message : "Package phpgacl is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:47.14 | sceig | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 11:47.14 | sceig | is only available from another source |
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| 11:47.16 | fireba11 | blackish: if it is good it won't :-) |
| 11:47.21 | bob2 | the rzip package, rzip.samba.org |
| 11:47.29 | blackish | cool |
| 11:47.40 | blackish | damn, 900k |
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| 11:49.08 | blackish | hmm, rzip can't pipeline from/to stdin/out |
| 11:49.15 | blackish | weird |
| 11:50.00 | bob2 | because it searches across the entire stream |
| 11:50.05 | bob2 | well, up to 900MB |
| 11:50.14 | bob2 | it will spank bzip2 on that adata set, I'd think |
| 11:50.30 | jm_ | it has to seek for what it's doing so that makes sense |
| 11:50.34 | blackish | how about using /dev/stdin :p |
| 11:50.45 | blackish | k, makes sense |
| 11:51.01 | sceig | how can i get phpgacl with apt ? trying apt-get install phpgacl it doesn^t find the package |
| 11:51.31 | streuner | !find phpgacl |
| 11:51.40 | dpkg | phpgacl: (PHP Generic Access Control Lists), section web, is optional. Version: 3.3.4-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1114 kB, Installed size: 2620 kB |
| 11:51.43 | liable | oh well tried an ifconfig down with sleep... gone the reboot.. |
| 11:52.06 | dimir | sceig: found fine here. |
| 11:52.09 | sceig | argh.... imy box doesn't find it.. |
| 11:52.29 | streuner | sceig: show us your sources.list in paster (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 11:53.15 | jm_ | phpgacl is not in Sarge |
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| 11:53.41 | blackish | zero is fast, 111MB in about 1/2 sec |
| 11:53.43 | streuner | sceig: /msg dpkg backports |
| 11:53.56 | streuner | sceig: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 11:54.04 | rikva | Hi all, is there a Debian equvailent to the FreeBSD 'lock |
| 11:54.07 | rikva | ' command? |
| 11:55.33 | bob2 | rikva: and it does... |
| 11:56.06 | rikva | bob2: lock the tty, and asks for the password of the logged in user |
| 11:56.28 | sceig | ti've got two lines : deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main and deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main |
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| 11:56.47 | sceig | which one should i add in order to get phpgacl ? |
| 11:56.51 | Whitman | sceig, phpgacl isn't in sarge |
| 11:57.03 | rikva | bob2: i'll try it, thanks |
| 11:57.06 | streuner | !tell sceig about backports |
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| 11:59.07 | sceig | the matter is that for installing on of my software (ossim) i need to have phpgacl |
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| 12:00.48 | streuner | sceig: if you cannot find any package at backports.org or/and apt-get.org just use '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' to make your own |
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| 12:01.26 | sceig | ok. tks |
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| 12:07.13 | caoilte | hi, try what i might i can't work out how to boot with my / filesystem mounted read only. it always ends up rw. is it always even possible? |
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| 12:08.08 | antgel | caoilte: just remount it as ro. i noticed last week booting init=/bin/bash, the fs came up rw |
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| 12:08.59 | caoilte | antgel: tried that straight off, but i get a "/ is busy" every time. |
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| 12:09.58 | antgel | caoilte: even with the remount option? |
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| 12:10.45 | caoilte | antgel: yeah. "mount -n -o remount,ro /" (it's an ext3 fs) |
| 12:11.06 | jm_ | caoilte: you have been told several hours ago |
| 12:11.16 | jm_ | !tell caoilte -about ifrp |
| 12:12.39 | *** topic/#debian by RichiH -> www.debian.org and security.d.o are indeed slow | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | /msg dpkg sarge firefox | X.org in sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
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| 12:12.48 | RichiH | the nicknames +E really is not needed any more |
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| 12:13.50 | Voidspace | is there a command line to show me a specific line in a text file |
| 12:13.58 | Voidspace | e.g. line 257 |
| 12:13.58 | jm_ | yes |
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| 12:14.04 | Voidspace | jm_ :-) |
| 12:14.07 | caoilte | jm_: thanks. i've tried that but it still mounts the filesystem r/w. |
| 12:14.18 | jm_ | caoilte: not with init= it doesn't |
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| 12:15.00 | antgel | jm_: i swear this week i did init=/bin/bash on a box, and the fs came up rw |
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| 12:15.26 | jm_ | antgel: ahh initrd maybe? |
| 12:15.53 | caoilte | aaaah, wait |
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| 12:16.09 | caoilte | does "mount" just inspect /etc/fstab or actually tell you how stuff is mounted? |
| 12:16.12 | antgel | jm_: could be, don't remember the box. some of ours have stock kernels i.e. initrd |
| 12:16.13 | jm_ | although I don't think it should get mounted RW with an initrd image, but I never used it so I am not sure |
| 12:16.14 | liable | 33 packets per sec for ssh connection? |
| 12:16.22 | antgel | caoilte: /etc/mtab, you mean |
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| 12:16.33 | RichiH | caoilte: it looks at what's mounted |
| 12:16.35 | caoilte | err, yeah, it wouldn't update it would it. |
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| 12:17.02 | caoilte | antgel: when i run mount it says / is rw but it is actually read-only now. |
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| 12:17.39 | antgel | RichiH: is that a fact? how does it know where to look? kernel? |
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| 12:18.07 | RichiH | antgel: that seems like a safe guess |
| 12:18.22 | RichiH | or mtab |
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| 12:19.05 | leikh | i have a voip-box that can output to a syslog server. what do i have to do on my debian box to allow the voip-box to do this? |
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| 12:19.56 | Belboz99 | Hey all, I'm having a bit of a problem with netselect-apt. It appears that my firewall is blocking the traceroute. Anyone know what port I should open? |
| 12:20.03 | antgel | leikh: man syslog.conf for starters |
| 12:20.03 | jm_ | leikh: you need to allow it |
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| 12:20.31 | jm_ | leikh: man syslogd |
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| 12:21.11 | antgel | leikh: ever felt like we don't think you tried to solve this yourself? :) |
| 12:21.21 | carlinhos | hi |
| 12:21.28 | leikh | antgel: just needed a hint on where to start :-) |
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| 12:22.10 | carlinhos | using tvtime the program says: no signal, but usin xawtv i see tv, and they use the same /dev/video0, whats wring? thanks |
| 12:22.26 | carlinhos | *i mean wrong |
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| 12:22.35 | abcdefghijklmnop | hi, I have a usb drive I was using on wi98, I want to copy the files over to my debian system, how do I do this? |
| 12:22.55 | Guerin | !tell abcdefghijklmnop about usb storage |
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| 12:23.14 | fireba11 | abcdefghijklmnop: use winscp |
| 12:23.14 | SEcki | Belboz99: allow the according ICMP packets (iirc the teo ping one and time exceeded) |
| 12:23.34 | Norbert | hi all; question: while installing Debian, the internet connection worked fine, but now (after reboot) the internet connection is gone (so apt cannot install the base system). It's a HP Omnibook 4150 with Xircom CreditCard Ethernet 10/100... can anyone help me out? |
| 12:23.35 | carlinhos | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt. the /dev/ name may change |
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| 12:24.04 | pablob | !tell pablob about usb storage |
| 12:24.19 | antgel | !tell pablob about msg the bot |
| 12:24.24 | vagabund | sick |
| 12:24.37 | mqduck | could somebody tell me what sort of command i have to enter to find out which modules are loaded? |
| 12:24.41 | Nielsen | Norbert: does it even find the netcard? check with dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 12:24.41 | pablob | antgel: thanks! :) |
| 12:24.50 | Norbert | Nielsen: yes, it does... |
| 12:25.09 | Nielsen | Norbert: try this: dhclient eth0 |
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| 12:25.32 | pablob | abcdefghijklmnop: maybe you want to check pmount as well. it is simpler than that |
| 12:25.51 | Norbert | Nielsen: okay, that seems to be like ifup, I tried that - it's not working... |
| 12:25.53 | stellartific | mqduck: lsmod. |
| 12:26.01 | mqduck | thanks |
| 12:26.11 | Belboz99 | SEcki, I tried using the traceroute command, and it worked fine. Why doesn't netselect-apt work then? |
| 12:26.15 | Maliuta | anyone know if AIM and ICQ are the same thing now? the info I see says yes |
| 12:26.21 | Norbert | Nielsen: just had the wire in this machine and the line/router are not the problem, it seems |
| 12:26.35 | magglz | I am searching for a while now a simple WLAN-PCI-Card which works fine with Debian. Somehow I could not really get to a point. Can anyone of you recommend me a up-to-date WLAN-PCI-Card which works with (which driver? Probably a HowTo for that card available?) Debian? |
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| 12:26.56 | Nielsen | Norbert: is it plugged in? did you check for blinking lights? is the dhcp server passing out IPs as it should, or what...? |
| 12:26.57 | Norbert | Nielsen: could it be that PCMCIA support was loaded only temporary to install Debian? |
| 12:27.09 | MonXX | Hi I suddenly have a problem with my internet connection. my comp is connected to a router which gives it an IP through DHCP. but all of a sudden it doesnt get adress of DNS server, or atleast doesnt set it, so I have to set it manually every time I reboot |
| 12:27.11 | pablob | Maliuta: in my gaim version, there is no difference |
| 12:27.18 | Norbert | Nielsen: it is plugged in, the lights are okay, the DHCP server is passing out IP's |
| 12:27.21 | Nielsen | Norbert: if dmesg says its found it, pcmcia is loaded too |
| 12:27.22 | MonXX | how can I find out if it's the router who doesnt send out DNS server addresses or my computer not setting them. or how can I atleast set them for good so I dont have to enter them every time? |
| 12:27.29 | Norbert | Nielsen: hum, oh, okay |
| 12:27.31 | Guerin | MonXX: they are, since AOL bought Mirabilis |
| 12:27.40 | Guerin | Maliuta: ^^^ |
| 12:27.41 | bob2 | MonXX: do other machines get it? |
| 12:27.42 | abcdefghijklmnop | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 12:27.47 | seeeS | norbet: you might need resolveconf |
| 12:27.55 | Nielsen | Norbert: so dhcpd is working, but dhclient cant see it...? |
| 12:28.04 | seeeS | norbet: to statically set it, put it in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:28.19 | Maliuta | Guerin: that is what the info i had said, I was kind of confused when someone asked me for an ICQ number the other day :) |
| 12:28.22 | nkuttler | magglz: look at prism54.org, needs a recent kernel and hotplug |
| 12:28.32 | Nielsen | Norbert: what does 'ifconfig' tell you? how about 'route -n' ? |
| 12:28.35 | MonXX | bob2: hm, good point.. let me check |
| 12:29.06 | magglz | nkuttler: : thx, I will have a look there |
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| 12:29.26 | Norbert | seeeS, Nielsen: for some reason, it work again now |
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| 12:29.41 | Norbert | seeeS, Nielsen: no clue why, it said "Sleeping." first, then "Timeout" and now it works |
| 12:29.51 | Norbert | seeeS, Nielsen: well, thanks for the help anyways ;-) |
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| 12:29.56 | Nielsen | i guess either dns or routing |
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| 12:30.08 | Nielsen | Norbert: np, have a nice day |
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| 12:30.23 | Norbert | Nielsen: thanks; you too |
| 12:30.43 | sceig | is it possible to download a debian 3.0 package on a sarge host and to install it with apt-get from a local repository ? |
| 12:31.28 | antgel | sceig: install it with dpkg unless you need your own repo. |
| 12:31.29 | seeeS | err |
| 12:31.30 | shingouz | sceig: man dpkg, dpkg -i foo |
| 12:31.36 | seeeS | if you downloaded it, dpkg it |
| 12:31.37 | Nielsen | sceig: no, you use dpkg to install it... |
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| 12:31.53 | antgel | !tell sceig about reference |
| 12:31.55 | Nielsen | its agreed :D |
| 12:31.55 | seeeS | it may not work due to dependencies though |
| 12:32.15 | seeeS | yes, i think we all said the same thing differently! |
| 12:32.15 | sceig | ok |
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| 12:33.06 | Nielsen | seeeS: ok then, never ever use dpkg, in fact, never even use linux to install a deb! its a windows debug program! im sure of it :D |
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| 12:33.47 | seeeS | oh, DPKG.EXE |
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| 12:34.19 | MonXX | bob2: no other machine isn't getting it either |
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| 12:34.58 | MonXX | I dont have access to the router to fix it, so how can I set my DNS addresses permanently so they dont get lost every time I reboot? |
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| 12:35.09 | jm_ | man resolv.conf |
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| 12:35.37 | MonXX | jm_: thnx I'll have a look |
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| 12:36.03 | bob2 | MonXX: than your dhcp server is broke |
| 12:36.17 | bob2 | MonXX: install dhcp3-client and edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
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| 12:37.27 | MonXX | bob2: thanks, will have a look at that too |
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| 12:40.05 | abcdefghijklmnop | how do I add a user accout for ftp access? |
| 12:40.31 | seeeS | depends on the ftp server |
| 12:40.34 | fireba11 | abcdefghijklmnop: depends .. usually you add a system user |
| 12:40.53 | vantra | Hi there. IF I wanted to boot a debian workstation and end with a fully working bash but taking all the "un-needed" boot-scripts like filesystem check-hardiskcheck-and all those-swaping-what scripts should I take off?or what scripts should I leave? |
| 12:41.14 | abcdefghijklmnop | so just adduser? |
| 12:41.15 | nkuttler | vantra: man update-rc.d, look into rcconf as well |
| 12:41.33 | SEcki | abcdefghijklmnop: again: depends your ftp server |
| 12:41.38 | nkuttler | vantra: of course the answer depends on what services you need |
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| 12:41.43 | jm_ | !tell vantra -about ifrp |
| 12:42.11 | abcdefghijklmnop | how do I find what ftp server I have? |
| 12:42.26 | seeeS | by default you have none |
| 12:42.30 | fireba11 | how did you install it ? |
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| 12:42.56 | vantra | Okay Thanks : ) |
| 12:43.24 | abcdefghijklmnop | okay, what one should I install? |
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| 12:44.19 | fireba11 | abcdefghijklmnop: that's like asking what religion is the right one |
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| 12:45.08 | Morti | Christianity, blatantly |
| 12:45.30 | ircops | hehe |
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| 12:47.11 | Ronin | abcdefghijklmnop: you dont know what ftp server you have installed? |
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| 12:49.02 | umbop | hey guys, does anyone know of a good OCR program, command line utility, i tried ocrad but not too sure about it |
| 12:49.46 | umbop | but i need to read in jpeg's |
| 12:50.24 | fireba11 | jpegs aren't really OCR-friendly you know |
| 12:50.47 | umbop | hmm yeh, bitmaps would be better however, i dont really have much choice :-S |
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| 12:51.11 | sameer | how can i get 5 channel output using alsa .. im using via 8235 .. |
| 12:51.40 | abcdefghijklmnop | hmm, how do I set directory permissions for ftpd? |
| 12:51.42 | jm_ | sameer: that's a south bridge, isn't it? |
| 12:51.55 | sameer | ya |
| 12:52.00 | abcdefghijklmnop | so a user can only access their home folder |
| 12:52.02 | sameer | its a cmedia chipset |
| 12:52.05 | ma3x | hi dudes |
| 12:52.07 | fireba11 | abcdefghijklmnop: sounds like you should reade soem how-to first |
| 12:52.18 | ma3x | how can i view those images for the street (from satelite)? |
| 12:52.24 | ma3x | I mean google shows only for the USA |
| 12:52.26 | sameer | jm_ : it using cmedia |
| 12:52.28 | ma3x | right? |
| 12:52.31 | ma3x | hi fireba11 |
| 12:52.34 | ma3x | how ya doin? |
| 12:52.46 | jm_ | sameer: 8738? |
| 12:52.48 | fireba11 | ma3x: hi .. not bad id' say |
| 12:52.57 | ma3x | aight |
| 12:53.03 | ma3x | there was some link like A9 or somehting |
| 12:53.06 | ma3x | offering satelite images |
| 12:53.11 | sameer | jm_ 8235 southbridge |
| 12:53.23 | jm_ | sameer: no, the CMI chip, which one is it? |
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| 12:54.05 | sameer | jm_ : just a sec |
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| 12:54.44 | ma3x | hi |
| 12:54.53 | ma3x | does nobody really know about street images |
| 12:54.57 | ma3x | where can i get such? |
| 12:55.00 | sameer | jm_ how can i find that out |
| 12:55.28 | jm_ | sameer: lspci |
| 12:55.51 | sameer | jm_ : Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 12:55.55 | magglz | nkuttler: the problem is, that on the data sheets of the manufacturers I usually don't see, if there is a PRISM54-supported Chip in there - do you probably have another idea? ... :) |
| 12:56.11 | jm_ | sameer: that's not C-Media |
| 12:56.32 | kokkoo | i have a problem with dma disabling itself when i am transferring TO hdds (its a PCI0680), and it spams to dmesg alot of dma_intr errors. it has no problem transferring From the drives.. its debian sarge and running on 800w psu. please advice. |
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| 12:57.23 | sameer | jm_ : i saw cmedia in alsamixer .. but thats on another partition and i cant check it now |
| 12:57.40 | antgel | ntp question - two of my machines, starting ntpd report kernel time sync status 0040. one reports kernel time sync disabled 0041. i've looked it up in timex.h, and the 1 is due PLL updates being on. what are they and why do they disable sync? |
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| 12:58.18 | jm_ | sameer: well see which modules works with it |
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| 12:59.10 | sameer | jm_ : ill be back in 15 minutes .. i gotta go out |
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| 13:01.36 | antgel | hmm. after leaving ntp for a few minutes, one machine is kernel time sync enabled 0001. this looks better. i'll leave them for a while |
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| 13:02.31 | mik3 | !codec |
| 13:02.44 | mik3 | what's the win32 codec package for debian |
| 13:03.00 | jm_ | !tell mik3 -abour mplayer |
| 13:03.05 | jm_ | !tell mik3 -about mplayer |
| 13:03.07 | jm_ | !tell mik3 -about search |
| 13:03.14 | mik3 | ugh mplayer |
| 13:03.38 | mik3 | yeah i must have not did apt-cache search codec? automaticly insinuate i came strait here? |
| 13:03.45 | baboo | !tell baboo -about mplayer |
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| 13:03.56 | ralf | mik3: hint: marillat |
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| 13:03.59 | Anthro | !tell baboo about bot abuse |
| 13:03.59 | reagent | hi |
| 13:04.00 | mik3 | !flood jm with a bunch of stupid shit |
| 13:04.11 | jm_ | fine, ignorant fucker |
| 13:04.24 | antgel | mik3: get the chip off your shoulder |
| 13:04.36 | mik3 | ehehe sorry i'm not a morning person |
| 13:04.42 | Anthro | mik3: There is a package available from marillat's repository with win32 codec libraries. I assume that's what you are looking for. |
| 13:04.50 | fireba11 | what's the quickest way to check if some hardware will run under debian ? |
| 13:04.51 | baboo | Anthro: i don't abuse, no ? |
| 13:05.05 | antgel | fireba11: see if it's supported by the debian kernel |
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| 13:05.14 | mik3 | anthro yarrr, what's the address for this repository |
| 13:05.16 | Anthro | baboo: If you want the bot to tell you something, send it a private message. See the channel topic. |
| 13:05.16 | fireba11 | antgel: where can i check taht ? |
| 13:05.18 | Guerin | fireba11: boot a debian cd on it |
| 13:05.24 | Anthro | mik3: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 13:05.31 | reagent | if I install with the hd-media method, which iso image do I need to proceed after booting? |
| 13:05.32 | fireba11 | Guerin: want to check a digital TV-card .. ^^ |
| 13:05.37 | xuande | alsa debian slowly |
| 13:05.42 | Guerin | fireba11: what chipset is on it |
| 13:05.42 | Guerin | ? |
| 13:05.43 | jm_ | see? he's got all the info but he will rather bitch than read it |
| 13:05.45 | antgel | fireba11: read the kernel documentation and/or source. |
| 13:05.50 | Anthro | xuande: oss redhat badly |
| 13:05.58 | Guerin | antgel: not necessary. |
| 13:06.02 | Zugschlus | Is there a command line tool which will download a web page, all pictures, associated CSS etc from a web server, adapting paths etc to allow local access without the server being accesible? |
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| 13:06.08 | antgel | Guerin: you're right |
| 13:06.11 | Guerin | Zugschlus: wget |
| 13:06.12 | baboo | hum, ok, ok Anthro |
| 13:06.15 | Zugschlus | I haven't managed to coax wget into doing that |
| 13:06.25 | Guerin | Zugschlus: hrm, that's what it's MEANT to do |
| 13:06.40 | Anthro | Zugschlus: I think wget will do pages and images. I'm not sure if it's clever enough to get CSS. |
| 13:06.48 | SEcki | Guerin: he obv also wants wget to rewrite the HTML files |
| 13:06.58 | Guerin | SEcki: obviously. |
| 13:07.14 | Guerin | which is a sed oneliner |
| 13:07.14 | resiak | --convert-links |
| 13:07.18 | Guerin | or that |
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| 13:07.26 | resiak | and --page-requisites |
| 13:07.33 | chete | debian en español?? |
| 13:07.35 | resiak | `man wget`. HTH HAND |
| 13:07.37 | resiak | !es |
| 13:07.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:07.38 | kokkoo | i have a problem with dma disabling itself when i am transferring TO hdds (its a PCI0680), and it spams to dmesg alot of dma_intr errors. it has no problem transferring From the drives.. its debian sarge and running on 800w psu. please advice. |
| 13:07.38 | Anthro | !es |
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| 13:07.50 | chete | #debian-es |
| 13:08.04 | Guerin | kokkoo: psu is irrelevant. |
| 13:08.05 | mik3 | uh how do i know which version this debian netinst cd installed |
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| 13:08.10 | antgel | fireba11: scrap that. find out how what the linux kernel modules are for the hardware. confirm that those modules are in the install kernel |
| 13:08.13 | Guerin | mik3: which one did you choose? |
| 13:08.14 | antgel | mik3: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 13:08.21 | antgel | mik3: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:08.28 | *** part/#debian lopeta (n=thiago@server.economisa.com.br) |
| 13:08.28 | jm_ | Guerin: it isn't irrelevant |
| 13:08.41 | Guerin | jm_: what isn't? |
| 13:08.53 | streuner | mik3: by default sarge/stable, if you changed sources.list you could installed everything |
| 13:08.54 | kokkoo | Guerin : well better to take all into consideration than leave something out :) |
| 13:08.55 | scanwinder_ | im getting an error with apt............ errors were encountered while processing: cron exim4-config exim4-base exim4-daemon-light exim4 fcron |
| 13:08.55 | Zugschlus | wget --convert-links won't convert LINK tags in the header |
| 13:09.13 | Anthro | scanwinder_: What were you trying to do at the time? |
| 13:09.13 | Guerin | scanwinder_: apt-get -f install; |
| 13:09.15 | Zugschlus | scanwinder_: the important information is above the line you cited |
| 13:09.16 | antgel | scanwinder_: that's because you have a problem |
| 13:09.21 | jm_ | Guerin: PSU isn't irrelevant |
| 13:09.22 | FallOnMe | how can I find out what keeps the old root, pivoted away, from unmounting? lsof and fuser don't show anything |
| 13:09.27 | Guerin | jm_: it isn't? |
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| 13:09.55 | fireba11 | Guerin: got no f*** clue .. it's ahauppauce DVB-Nova-S .. so digital TV for satelite WITHOUT hardware decoder .. |
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| 13:10.02 | kikinovak | Hi. Just got myself a stock 2.6.12 kernel from kernel.org, and configuring it from scratch. I have an Nvidia geforce2 video card. Q: in Device drivers --> Character devices, build (*) this card only into the kernel and uncheck ( ) everything else? Or what options do I need? Also, I tried a few drivers from nvidia.com, and only the older 1.0-7167 and 1.0-7174 seem to work |
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| 13:10.05 | gniretar | anyone have any idea why cron would persist on trying to run a job that i removed from the crontab? |
| 13:10.11 | xuande | i mean debian is good |
| 13:10.16 | incorrect | with debootstrap, will --debian-installer create a system for installing debian? |
| 13:10.19 | jm_ | Guerin: no |
| 13:10.22 | antgel | fireba11: did you google on the device name and linux? |
| 13:10.33 | abcdefghijklmnop | how can I make it so I connected to my ip address and it bounces back to another irc server? |
| 13:10.44 | Zugschlus | actually, --convert-links does not handle POST tags |
| 13:10.45 | Anthro | kikinovak: Do you have a good reason for building your own kernel? |
| 13:10.46 | Guerin | fireba11: google the card and find out the chipset. BT*68 are well-supported by linux |
| 13:10.59 | kikinovak | Anthro yes |
| 13:11.02 | abcdefghijklmnop | like say I do /server 192.168.0.1 and it connects to au.austnet.org? |
| 13:11.11 | Guerin | jm_: how would the PSU influence whether dma was functional or not. |
| 13:11.12 | Guerin | ? |
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| 13:11.32 | Anthro | kikinovak: Are you using make-kpkg |
| 13:11.34 | Guerin | abcdefghijklmnop: run a bouncer |
| 13:11.35 | Anthro | ? |
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| 13:11.43 | abcdefghijklmnop | tell me how |
| 13:11.47 | Guerin | abcdefghijklmnop: google it. |
| 13:11.49 | abcdefghijklmnop | what is the name? |
| 13:11.51 | reagent | incorrect: AFAIK --debian-installer is for internal use only |
| 13:11.57 | Guerin | abcdefghijklmnop: psybnc is one |
| 13:12.12 | jm_ | Guerin: it will cause all sort of shitty failures if it can't deliver enough power, you can find this explained by Andre Hedrick in various posts on LKML |
| 13:12.19 | kikinovak | Anthro no I'm using the plain old hand-configuring method. But that was not my question. I know how to build a kernel. |
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| 13:13.12 | Guerin | jm_: I've found things just stop working, but I don't use much that requires a lot of power. |
| 13:13.21 | Anthro | kikinovak: Well, make-kpkg makes a lot of this easier, particularly for the nvidia kernel modules. If you build the kernel with make-kpkg you can install the nvidia modules with a one-liner. |
| 13:13.41 | Anthro | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:13.41 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 13:14.02 | jm_ | Guerin: yes, I found it a bit surprising too, but he really explained it in details |
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| 13:14.14 | FallOnMe | hi, I need help with pivot_root, I can't umount the old root after pivot_root. |
| 13:14.32 | kikinovak | Anthro again, you're answering questions I didn't ask. |
| 13:14.33 | Guerin | FallOnMe: why not? |
| 13:14.41 | Guerin | nvidia one liner only works as-written with debian kernels |
| 13:14.47 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 13:14.48 | FallOnMe | Guerin: that's what I can't find out. |
| 13:14.52 | kikinovak | forget it |
| 13:14.57 | Guerin | FallOnMe: error |
| 13:15.02 | yoo | somebody know where i can find md3view ? |
| 13:15.05 | Anthro | kikinovak: You asked about the drivers from nvidia.com |
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| 13:15.07 | FallOnMe | Guerin: device busy. |
| 13:15.09 | yoo | please |
| 13:15.12 | Guerin | FallOnMe: -l ? |
| 13:15.32 | antgel | we have a server with / on RAID-1. the kernel is compiled with RAID straight in, no initrd etc. if we move it to a kernel-image, will it know to include the RAID-1 driver in the initrd? |
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| 13:15.36 | fireba11 | Guerin: BT*68 are analog .. it's digital Philips SAA7146AH i found ... |
| 13:15.37 | Anthro | Guerin: It does? I thought it would work with any kernel for which you have kernel-headers installed. |
| 13:15.44 | Guerin | fireba11: oh, ok. |
| 13:15.56 | FallOnMe | Guerin: "-l" what? umount -f works neither. |
| 13:16.00 | Meet | :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
| 13:16.05 | Meet | :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
| 13:16.05 | scanwinder_ | ok, im getting Package exim4-deamon-light is not configured and things like that but with the other packages aswell |
| 13:16.13 | antgel | Meet: wtf? |
| 13:16.13 | Meet | :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
| 13:16.13 | FallOnMe | !smite Meet |
| 13:16.17 | streuner | !ops Meet flood us |
| 13:16.17 | Guerin | Anthro: *shrug*, didn't for me. |
| 13:16.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Meet flood us |
| 13:16.35 | *** join/#debian Meet (i=dima-pol@84.254.218.158) |
| 13:16.35 | streuner | oh, s(he) left |
| 13:16.44 | *** join/#debian cmdline (i=cmdline@freedom.biteme.ms) |
| 13:16.46 | Anthro | streuner: And is back |
| 13:16.46 | stew | quite an appropriate smite however |
| 13:16.51 | antgel | i'm asking again as the flood may have scrolled it away |
| 13:16.52 | Guerin | FallOnMe: -l == --lazy == i'm too fucking lazy to make sure this volume isn't in use any more, just unmount it already :) |
| 13:16.52 | antgel | we have a server with / on RAID-1. the kernel is compiled with RAID straight in, no initrd etc. if we move it to a kernel-image, will it know to include the RAID-1 driver in the initrd? |
| 13:16.53 | *** join/#debian Meet (i=dima-pol@84.254.218.158) |
| 13:16.53 | mik3 | wow that's some effective operators we have here |
| 13:17.00 | SerajewelKS | stew, yeah i was gonna say something like that =) |
| 13:17.01 | Meet | :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
| 13:17.07 | Meet | :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
| 13:17.12 | antgel | what a cunt |
| 13:17.12 | Meet | :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
| 13:17.15 | SerajewelKS | !ops ban Meet |
| 13:17.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ban Meet |
| 13:17.17 | Meet | :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
| 13:17.22 | karma1 | idiot. |
| 13:17.23 | Meet | :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
| 13:17.26 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: because they didn't see it the first time |
| 13:17.28 | Meet | :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
| 13:17.28 | warhead | Meet? |
| 13:17.28 | *** join/#debian Delgul_at_work (n=gerard@delgul.demon.nl) |
| 13:17.29 | mik3 | doing this !ops ban blah is useless |
| 13:17.35 | mik3 | just ignore him |
| 13:17.39 | Guerin | mik3: got a better idea? |
| 13:17.42 | mik3 | yes |
| 13:17.43 | warhead | ok |
| 13:17.43 | mik3 | ignore |
| 13:17.44 | mik3 | chucklehead |
| 13:17.45 | Anthro | !ops please ban *!*@84.254.218.158 |
| 13:17.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please ban *!*@84.254.218.158 |
| 13:17.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 13:17.47 | *** part/#debian Meet (i=dima-pol@84.254.218.158) |
| 13:17.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 13:17.51 | Guerin | mik3: because THAT solves the problem |
| 13:17.52 | bob2 | fucktard |
| 13:17.53 | warhead | ihihih |
| 13:17.55 | warhead | ban |
| 13:17.56 | FallOnMe | Guerin: that worked, thanks. Undocumented, though. |
| 13:17.58 | *** part/#debian golan (n=nnnnnnnN@173.Red-217-125-143.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:17.58 | antgel | !beer bob2 |
| 13:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 13:18.02 | *** part/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) |
| 13:18.05 | mik3 | yeah it solves it just fine, out of site out of mind |
| 13:18.11 | mik3 | sight |
| 13:18.15 | Guerin | FallOnMe: man umount has it on mine |
| 13:18.15 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, yeah i was thinking along the lines that if the ops weren't in the window it might beep or highlight the window or something |
| 13:18.16 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@84.254.218.158] by bob2 |
| 13:18.21 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 13:18.26 | warhead | wow....... |
| 13:18.29 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it does the first time ... and the second ... etc. |
| 13:18.37 | warhead | Ban is ON [+b *!*@84.254.218.158 |
| 13:18.41 | warhead | :-) |
| 13:18.42 | FallOnMe | Guerin: now back to hard-drive-repartitioning-with-no-reboot... ;-) |
| 13:18.48 | Guerin | FallOnMe: huzzah! |
| 13:18.51 | antgel | we have a server with / on RAID-1. the kernel is compiled with RAID straight in, no initrd etc. if we move it to a kernel-image, will it know to include the RAID-1 driver in the initrd? |
| 13:18.51 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, someone else did !ops before me? |
| 13:18.57 | ircdevil | heh, what a happy dude? |
| 13:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 748] by debhelper |
| 13:19.03 | antgel | (that's the last time this half hour that i'm asking :) |
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| 13:19.24 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yeah. Must have scrolled off your screen. |
| 13:19.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, oh yeah... i just got here so i didn't see that |
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| 13:19.32 | Guerin | ah |
| 13:19.36 | Anthro | antgel: Is there a reason you can't just test it? |
| 13:19.39 | *** part/#debian Hector_Hiram (n=10334742@66.50.194.94) |
| 13:19.39 | FallOnMe | Guerin: heh, I haven't checked TFM, shame on me. umount with no parameters does not mention "-l". |
| 13:19.44 | *** part/#debian Flex-it (n=flex@host57-127.pool8249.interbusiness.it) |
| 13:19.45 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, but yup, there it is in the log |
| 13:19.46 | stew | antgel: of course it would. i have a server here that boots off sortware raid 1 with a stock kernel with no problems btw |
| 13:19.54 | antgel | Guerin: off our site. on a customer site. :) |
| 13:20.06 | Guerin | FallOnMe: it's generally considered Unwise, since, any open files will be crapped on at unmount time |
| 13:20.20 | Guerin | antgel: thanks for sharing. |
| 13:20.37 | SerajewelKS | the hell? amarok crashed last night? |
| 13:20.44 | Guerin | a kde app crashes |
| 13:20.47 | Guerin | film at 11 |
| 13:20.50 | resiak | World ending! |
| 13:21.02 | Guerin | better have another beer |
| 13:21.08 | SerajewelKS | if kde apps crash while they're not doing anything... |
| 13:21.21 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: isn't that what they just do? |
| 13:21.22 | FallOnMe | Guerin: I don't care in this case, I'm scratching the RAID and reformating, hopefully without going to the remote location. |
| 13:21.29 | SerajewelKS | maybe it got mad that xmms was playing something |
| 13:21.32 | Guerin | FallOnMe: heh. Good luck with that. |
| 13:21.34 | darsie | Hi! after an apt-get dist-upgrade of libc my eggdrop quits with: "relocation error: /home/bernhard/eggdrop/eggdrop: symbol _dl_catch_error, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference" The rest seem's ok. What can I do? Hmm, not sure if I compiled eggdrop myself. Should I try to recompile it? |
| 13:21.40 | SerajewelKS | ogg player jealousy |
| 13:21.48 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yeah, kde apps can be territorial, too. |
| 13:21.53 | Guerin | though not so much as gnome apps |
| 13:21.57 | antgel | stew: ok, but i was wondering if it would still work given that we didn't use d-i to install onto the RAID - i.e. how mkinitrd knows what modules it needs |
| 13:22.16 | vorsprung | any thoughts on the firefox shell code problem? |
| 13:22.46 | resiak | darsie: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 13:22.55 | Guerin | vorsprung: any clarification on what the sam hell you're on about? |
| 13:23.17 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, hard to tell if bts #304996 is related or not.. guess i'll have to start it from the console and &> to a log |
| 13:23.40 | SerajewelKS | ah the thrill of the bug chase |
| 13:23.41 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: or you could just use cplay... |
| 13:23.41 | darsie | resiak: no. There are similar errors on lists.debian.org but I don't see how to solve the problem. |
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| 13:24.04 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: using sid, by the way? |
| 13:24.08 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, i've heard quite enough of "don't use X, use Y" in the last few days, thanks... =/ |
| 13:24.10 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, etch |
| 13:24.14 | resiak | darsie: Oh well. Sorry, I haven't seen it. Maybe there's a new tcl or something? |
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| 13:24.36 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: oh. I want to find someone running kde3.4 on sid to see if it's still horribly broken. |
| 13:24.36 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, i know better than to mess with sid ;) |
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| 13:24.49 | Guerin | my wife's box is due for an upgrade, which I fear will break kde |
| 13:25.07 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, what is she doing running sid O_o |
| 13:25.22 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: she co-opted my media box |
| 13:25.24 | stew | antgel: i don't think mkinitrd cares, it just grabs available modules. and i also added the raid on root after install, not from d-i |
| 13:25.31 | SerajewelKS | aha |
| 13:25.47 | vorsprung | Guerin, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307185 |
| 13:26.02 | fireba11 | Guerin: okay it obviously works .. i found a VDR project using linux around it |
| 13:26.03 | Anthro | What was the issue that prompted a security update to xserver-xfree86? |
| 13:26.08 | *** part/#debian xuande (n=xuande@219.144.228.208) |
| 13:26.12 | Guerin | fireba11: huzzah! |
| 13:26.24 | Guerin | antgel: nobody knew, as of a couple das ago |
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| 13:26.39 | stew | Anthro: they aren't releasing a DSA until more bandwidth is available |
| 13:27.13 | SerajewelKS | at least amarok saved everything before it dumped.. all but the playlist |
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| 13:27.44 | Anthro | stew: So no one knows? |
| 13:27.59 | Anthro | stew: I mean, the -sarge1 package is in the repository. |
| 13:28.26 | stew | Anthro: you can always look at the changelog |
| 13:28.29 | *** part/#debian treyh0 (n=trey@216.234.228.106) |
| 13:28.29 | mik3 | should i bother upgrading to 2.6 right now? |
| 13:28.33 | mik3 | kernel |
| 13:28.35 | Anthro | stew: And I suppose I will. |
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| 13:28.46 | Guerin | vorsprung: not an issue on firefox 1.0.5-1, sid |
| 13:28.53 | Guerin | vorsprung: as in; not reproducible |
| 13:28.59 | Anthro | mik3: 2.6 is better than 2.4 in many ways. I've had great success with it. |
| 13:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 740] by debhelper |
| 13:29.14 | incorrect | does anyone know of a web stats reporting tool that uses mysql ? |
| 13:29.34 | antgel | stew: back to basics. i install a kernel-image on this box. it creates an initrd with modules needed for boot. how does it know which modules to include? |
| 13:29.43 | Guerin | why would you WANT something to use mysql when it doesn't need to? |
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| 13:29.51 | mik3 | Anthro: how about upgrading wise, with ease or ? |
| 13:30.06 | Guerin | mik3: just an apt-get away |
| 13:30.20 | incorrect | Guerin, id like to query the data for my own reports |
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| 13:30.31 | mik3 | Guerin : what's the syntax? |
| 13:30.33 | Anthro | mik3: It depends on what you are asking of your system. It's nice to have ALSA integrated instead of as an add-on. The same goes for a few other things. |
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| 13:30.36 | Guerin | mik3: man apt-get |
| 13:30.36 | vorsprung | Guerin, thanks- how about stable? |
| 13:30.50 | Guerin | vorsprung: don't have a stable box with X |
| 13:30.51 | Anthro | mik3: What kernel are you running now? |
| 13:30.55 | mik3 | 2.4 |
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| 13:31.01 | Guerin | vorsprung: bear in mind that that firefox package is not up to date |
| 13:31.05 | Anthro | mik3: More specific. What does uname -r say? |
| 13:31.16 | mik3 | Linux splinter 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:31.41 | Guerin | mik3: do you NEVER follwo instructions? |
| 13:31.42 | Anthro | mik3: Did you compile that yourself? |
| 13:31.44 | rmrfchik | do u use logjam via proxy? it seems latest logjam can't use proxy... |
| 13:31.45 | _dishwasher | howdy... i'm punching holes in a firewall for snort, and need to know what port it runs on. can't find info anywhere... anyone know what port it runs on? |
| 13:31.45 | stew | antgel: i'm not sure. but i know if the raid is existant when you install the kenrel it will include the right stuff. in my case i had to remake the initrd after i added the raid, but since your raid is already in place you should be fine |
| 13:31.49 | vorsprung | Guerin, right, I'll investigate it myself then :) |
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| 13:31.53 | mik3 | Guerin : you're on ignore, thank you drive through |
| 13:31.54 | Guerin | antgel: if you could read, you'd know the answer |
| 13:32.03 | Guerin | Anthro: ^^ |
| 13:32.15 | jm_ | ahh moron is still at it |
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| 13:32.27 | Guerin | mik3: and you're a fucktard who'll eventually ignore anyone who could potentially help you |
| 13:32.27 | Anthro | Guerin: Hmph. |
| 13:32.33 | mik3 | Guerin : go get some coffee or some anti-depressants instead of spewing your pseudo-intellectual cynical attitude all over |
| 13:32.41 | scanwinder_ | when i go2 remove cron(apt-get remove cron) its saying cron: applett not found dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-installation scrpit returned error exit status 1 |
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| 13:33.04 | streuner | don't let the situation escalate... |
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| 13:33.13 | Guerin | yeah, because expecting people to read things for themselves and follow instructions correctly is a pseudo-intellectual cynical attitude |
| 13:33.13 | l3m | anyone else having problems with sourceforge cvs atm?` |
| 13:33.22 | Anthro | mik3: Look, Guerin can be abrasive but he's also well-informed and helps a lot of folks here. |
| 13:33.35 | mik3 | he's a petulant cock and i'd rather just not see him talk. |
| 13:33.39 | mik3 | but thanks for your help Anthro |
| 13:33.41 | Guerin | Anthro: you needn't defend me, thanks. |
| 13:33.51 | Anthro | mik3: Well, you won't be getting any further help from me, either. |
| 13:33.57 | mik3 | i don't mind |
| 13:33.58 | mik3 | => |
| 13:34.03 | streuner | Anthro: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:34.08 | stew | enough. mik3's ignore list is uninteresting and offtopic |
| 13:34.10 | Anthro | Guerin: It's not a matter of defending you, it's a matter of not bothering with a fucktard. |
| 13:34.27 | Anthro | streuner: Thanks |
| 13:34.38 | antgel | Guerin: your assumption is incorrect, as i can read. i understand what you're trying to say and that you are probably a little angry today. |
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| 13:34.53 | Guerin | antgel: no, that was meant for Anthro... |
| 13:34.56 | jm_ | heh |
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| 13:35.05 | Guerin | curious that you picked it up, though |
| 13:35.08 | XFlame | Postgresql8 on Debian Sarge |
| 13:35.11 | _dishwasher | wow, what did I walk into today? anyone know the port for snort? I don't have a running box to netstat on, really really could use the help. ;-) |
| 13:35.14 | XFlame | Help me |
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| 13:35.24 | Guerin | XFlame: why? |
| 13:35.26 | antgel | Guerin: i rescind my comment *grin* |
| 13:35.31 | jm_ | _dishwasher: you really have no idea what snort does, do you? |
| 13:35.34 | XFlame | Guerin, why |
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| 13:35.43 | jm_ | _dishwasher: or how it works for that matter |
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| 13:35.47 | marco | ls |
| 13:35.50 | Guerin | XFlame: you answer my question, then I'll answer yours. |
| 13:35.58 | stew | antgel: i've been reading and can't find the exact answer either, which is a bit disconcerting |
| 13:36.05 | Nielsen | _dishwasher: ill check the remote server. hold on |
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| 13:36.11 | lesshaste | anyone use one of these cherry multimedia keyboards in linux? How would I setup support for it? |
| 13:36.28 | vorsprung | _dishwasher, perhaps you'd like to tell us what you are trying to do and perhaps we can suggest something useful |
| 13:36.33 | XFlame | Guerin, yes |
| 13:36.34 | rmrfchik | lesshaste: lineakd |
| 13:36.37 | jm_ | lesshaste: doesn't it just work? |
| 13:36.43 | jm_ | I mean how are you typing now? |
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| 13:36.49 | Manoj_ | XFlame, do you have a question? |
| 13:36.57 | Anthro | streuner: CAN-2005-2495: overflows when allocating size for large pixmaps may allow attackers to execute arbitrary code; with the patches for this issue, pixmap size has been limited to 32767x32767. |
| 13:37.04 | rmrfchik | lesshaste: personally, I use Genius kbd and tried lineakd with compaq kbd too. |
| 13:37.07 | lesshaste | jm_: the normal bits work. There are all these multimedia keys that it would be nice to configure |
| 13:37.10 | jm_ | and install helper apps if you want support for those extra keys, there are several |
| 13:37.10 | antgel | stew: all the mkinitrd docs that i've read (which are few, i must admit) just imply that it's automagic |
| 13:37.13 | Manoj_ | lesshaste, does it not behave like a keyboard? |
| 13:37.14 | lesshaste | rmrfchik: thanks. I'll try it out |
| 13:37.20 | lesshaste | Manoj_: it has extra keys |
| 13:37.20 | jm_ | lesshaste: "apt-cache show hotkeys" et al |
| 13:37.23 | atom-z | anyone know of any good inexpensive linux VPS hosting providers? |
| 13:37.31 | lesshaste | jm_: ah ok thanks |
| 13:37.41 | rmrfchik | so, do anybody use logjam from unstable? |
| 13:37.43 | _dishwasher | use redwoodvirtual |
| 13:37.48 | Guerin | antgel: i use rimuhosting.com, and they're good |
| 13:37.50 | Manoj_ | lesshaste, use xev to see what keysyms it generates, and xkeycaps or something to remap those keysyms to whatever you want |
| 13:37.52 | Guerin | DAMN |
| 13:37.53 | _dishwasher | they're LVS, and pretty good. Otherwise, YMMV. |
| 13:37.55 | Guerin | atom-z: ^ |
| 13:38.00 | lesshaste | Manoj_: ok thanks :) |
| 13:38.04 | _dishwasher | Sure. |
| 13:38.05 | _dishwasher | ;-) |
| 13:38.07 | antgel | Guerin: who cares who you use? ;) |
| 13:38.18 | _dishwasher | They're in the rack next to me in HE.net's datacenter in Fremont. |
| 13:38.22 | Guerin | antgel: who cares that you're always the first option on my tabcompletor? |
| 13:38.23 | atom-z | Guerin, _dishwasher: thanks for the suggestions |
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| 13:39.01 | XFlame | Manoj_, yes |
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| 13:39.59 | atom-z | _dishwasher, LVS, YMMV? |
| 13:40.00 | darkness2 | Guerin: What do you use rimuhosting for.Plus is it good? |
| 13:40.06 | resiak | !lvs |
| 13:40.06 | dpkg | lvs is probably Linux Virtual Server is a highly scalable and highly available server built on a cluster of real servers, or http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ |
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| 13:40.09 | resiak | !ymmv |
| 13:40.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 13:40.10 | JoeShmo | howdy |
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| 13:40.18 | airox | Hi |
| 13:40.18 | _dishwasher | I don't know much about other LVS providers. |
| 13:40.18 | atom-z | ah |
| 13:40.29 | XFlame | Manoj_, as isnatall PSTGRES 8 in the Debian Sarge |
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| 13:40.43 | Guerin | darkness2: web/mail/dns/backups; it's really good, and the support is superb. |
| 13:40.47 | Anthro | Is it possible to create a boot CD that will work on both x86 and PPC? |
| 13:40.48 | Guerin | and i don't work for them :) |
| 13:40.59 | Guerin | XFlame: but WHY? |
| 13:41.01 | darkness2 | Guerin: Perish the thought :-) |
| 13:41.04 | ahmrahtcheer_ | I'm using Debian-sarge, and mount.app doesn't show all of my partitions. /etc/fstab is up-to-date, and i found nothing in the forums on this issue. |
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| 13:41.27 | resiak | ahmrahtcheer_: Have you checked the bts? bugs.debian.org |
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| 13:41.33 | ahmrahtcheer_ | it shows 1 ext2 partition, floppy and cdrom |
| 13:41.34 | Guerin | darkness2: by "superb" i mean "email back within the hour", and IM support. |
| 13:41.47 | Manoj_ | XFlame, err, I think sarge came with postgres 7, so you are talking about either a backport, or installing from testing. I strongly suggest not to install from unstable, and even testing may pull in many more packages |
| 13:41.48 | Eclipser | ahmrahtcheer_, cat /proc/partitions ? |
| 13:41.49 | XFlame | Manoj_, I go to have that to compile |
| 13:41.59 | Manoj_ | XFlame, backports may be your best bet |
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| 13:42.05 | Guerin | !tell XFlame about simple sid backport |
| 13:42.15 | darkness2 | Guerin: I've been looking for good hosting. I have my own apache server here and a couple of shells so need something quite cheap.I'm from the uk btw. |
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| 13:42.26 | _dishwasher | cheap? |
| 13:42.31 | Manoj_ | Guerin, thanks for the assist |
| 13:42.32 | _dishwasher | how cheap? |
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| 13:42.40 | ahmrahtcheer_ | Eclipser, am checking now: i'm fairly new to Debian (have used other distros, though), so am still learning the website. |
| 13:42.45 | airox | Hi, I've got a problem with libapache-mod-security. There is a package for it in unstable and stable but not in testing. How would I install it into testing ? |
| 13:42.48 | atom-z | Guerin, servelocity.net looks good at ~$18/mo, but perhaps too good (they allow ircd's) |
| 13:42.51 | Guerin | Manoj_: he shoots, he scooores! |
| 13:43.16 | stew | !why is libapache-mod-security not in testing |
| 13:43.18 | dpkg | libapache-mod-security is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapache-mod-security |
| 13:43.31 | JoeShmo | is there a way to load modules off the cd manually at boot time via grub, yet still boot from HD? (the installer did not seem to put the sata_sil and scsi stuff on) |
| 13:43.36 | airox | stew, great |
| 13:43.43 | Guerin | atom-z: yeah, i find the really cheap ones tend to be flakey ... like redwood was after it got mentioned on /. and they couldn't keep up with demand :) |
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| 13:44.00 | ahmrahtcheer_ | Eclipser, no bugs listed for mount.app or mountapp |
| 13:44.05 | valdyn | JoeShmo: hit alt-f2 and load whatever |
| 13:44.07 | stew | airox: you might wanna read that ^^^ then either install the unstable version (/msg dpkg pinning) or backport it (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
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| 13:44.42 | Eclipser | ahmrahtcheer_, you're mischatting :) |
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| 13:44.58 | ahmrahtcheer_ | ?? |
| 13:44.59 | carlinhos | parrotfs is valid for mountinf firmware files? |
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| 13:45.05 | JoeShmo | valdyn: well, yeah that works if booted up, but then the initial reboot, the drivers arnt there anymore, thus no init, no other consoles.. |
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| 13:45.07 | carlinhos | *mounting |
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| 13:45.44 | Anthro | ircdevil: Yes, privoxy is awesome. |
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| 13:46.10 | ahmrahtcheer_ | ahmrahtcheer_, gotcha... |
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| 13:46.16 | XFlame | Manoj_, the project that I am working uses Postgres 8,,, which link for mine sources.list |
| 13:46.17 | chad_ | can someone answer me why are all (well almost all libs) chmod 644? is this a security thing not being able to execute a lib, and why do they drop just about all the *.la libs as well? |
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| 13:46.19 | atom-z | Guerin, maybe i'll e-mail them asking about their net connection, if they support ircd's & eggdrops then either they're on the backbone or they have a very good firewall on the backbone |
| 13:46.31 | ahmrahtcheer_ | Eclipser, /proc/partitions is as it should be |
| 13:46.51 | jm_ | chad_: .la are not libraries |
| 13:47.00 | hackeron | The current stable is sarge, right? - and woody is now unstable, and sid is testing, did I get that right? |
| 13:47.07 | Ronin | hackeron: nope |
| 13:47.11 | reagent | can I copy the content of the netinstall image to a partition and boot that partition? |
| 13:47.13 | JoeShmo | well, he got one right.. |
| 13:47.20 | Ronin | sarge is stable, etch is testing and sid is unstable |
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| 13:47.26 | stew | hackeron: woody is oldstable, sid is always stable, etch is testing |
| 13:47.30 | streuner | reagent: what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:47.31 | resiak | Hahah, that has to be the most bizarre guess at what happens. |
| 13:47.35 | stew | hackeron: err sid is always unstable |
| 13:47.35 | paulswm | hackeron: No, etch is test, sid is unstable, woody is old |
| 13:47.45 | JoeShmo | whats stinky pete? |
| 13:47.49 | Ronin | well i think we made that clear :) |
| 13:47.53 | reagent | streuner: Install debian, but I don't have any CDs left to burn the netinstall image |
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| 13:48.00 | hackeron | stew: paulswm: Ronin: I see, thanks |
| 13:48.06 | chad_ | well inderstand the *.la sometime things change to fast and they don't want people to be able to dynamicly link against a said lib |
| 13:48.15 | streuner | reagent: DOH, go and buy some |
| 13:48.19 | reagent | lol |
| 13:48.34 | stew | hackeron: http://debian.org/releases |
| 13:48.37 | darkness2 | I can vouch for sarge to be stable.My box has been up running sshd and apache for 54 days :-) |
| 13:48.38 | streuner | reagent: or use floppies |
| 13:48.45 | vagabund | love will find a way - |
| 13:48.47 | reagent | streuner: and I have to install it on some servers without cdrom drive next week, so I guess it's good practise |
| 13:48.49 | hackeron | stew: thanks |
| 13:48.59 | reagent | streuner: well my notebook has no floppy drive :) |
| 13:49.07 | JoeShmo | 54 days? hasnt even warmed up yet then.. |
| 13:49.10 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 13:49.10 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 13:49.44 | reagent | streuner: I tried the hd-media as described in the install manual but the manual does not say which image I need to proceed |
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| 13:50.57 | reagent | streuner: and the installer is looking for a dists/Release file which does not exist. only dists/<version>/Release exists |
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| 13:51.05 | streuner | reagent: what OS do you have installed (laptop) |
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| 13:51.21 | reagent | streuner: debian sarge |
| 13:51.40 | streuner | reagent: no, what OS is right on the laptop actually? |
| 13:51.46 | reagent | streuner: debian sarge |
| 13:51.50 | resiak | ... |
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| 13:52.07 | reagent | streuner: I have debian sarge installed on my laptop |
| 13:52.09 | streuner | reagent: so why do you think you need netinstall now? |
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| 13:52.24 | reagent | streuner: because I have to test my debian package and I need sid for that |
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| 13:52.47 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 13:52.49 | kokkoo | anyone?i have a problem with dma disabling itself when i am transferring TO hdds (its a PCI0680), and it spams to dmesg alot of dma_intr errors. it has no problem transferring From the drives.. its debian sarge and running on 800w psu. please advice. |
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| 13:52.59 | streuner | reagent: debian package? |
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| 13:53.26 | reagent | streuner: yeah. I maintain several debian packages and I'd like to test them before I release them |
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| 13:54.07 | bob2 | reagent: if you're trying to create a new debian system from an existing one, use debotstrap |
| 13:54.13 | mikmu | Hey there, can anyone suggest a good system monitoring application, similar to microsoft's performance monitor, that I can track different aspects of system utilization and have it notify me in case of certain events? |
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| 13:54.29 | reagent | bob2: that's what I'm doing now. But I would still like to know how the hd-media install works |
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| 13:55.20 | reagent | bob2: anna was looking for dists/Release instead of dists/<version>/Release and I would like to know why. |
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| 13:56.06 | stew | reagent: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
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| 13:56.10 | reagent | bob2: and if I'm already asking, I'd like to know how I can specify the path to the image instead of letting the installer search my whole partition |
| 13:56.42 | Guerin | mikmu: sysstat, but it's not really like ms perfmon |
| 13:56.55 | reagent | stew: I already did that. But got that error |
| 13:57.08 | sameer | jm_ : hi |
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| 13:57.43 | streuner | sameer: jm_ is gone. |
| 13:57.45 | mernil | greetings and salutations fellow friends of free and open solutions :) |
| 13:57.52 | sameer | jm_ : here are my card details from |
| 13:57.55 | sameer | oh |
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| 13:58.03 | vorsprung | mikmu, nagios might be able to do what you want |
| 13:58.24 | mikmu | cool, thanks for the suggestions |
| 13:58.41 | fireba11 | vorsprung: nagios can almost monitor anything so its likely :-) |
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| 13:58.46 | streuner | reagent: shops are still open, so go and get some CDs now ;-) |
| 13:59.03 | Electron_ | whats the thing I need to download to compile after gcc? |
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| 13:59.13 | Electron_ | base something |
| 13:59.16 | antgel | !tell Electron_ about vague |
| 13:59.23 | streuner | !b-e Electron_ |
| 13:59.24 | dpkg | Electron_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 13:59.36 | eurisko | hi there, using debian testin, i am tryin to update grub configuration, how can i update grub? i have already edited file menu.lst |
| 13:59.53 | antgel | eurisko: have you read the manual? |
| 14:00.15 | eurisko | it dosen't say anything |
| 14:00.23 | airox | stew, got it working, thanks! |
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| 14:00.25 | lesshaste | what's that vaguely left wing chat show on comedy central called again? |
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| 14:00.44 | stew | eurisko: you don't need to update the boot sector with grub the way you do with lilo, generally altering the menu.lst is enough, but look at man update-grub as well |
| 14:00.46 | saloxin | mikmu: uhm i lost parts of the dialogue, whta are you trying to monitor? |
| 14:00.55 | stew | lesshaste: The Daily Show |
| 14:00.56 | reagent | streuner: Ok, I'll do that. |
| 14:00.58 | vagabund | hm dat kann die minah nicch - |
| 14:01.06 | lesshaste | stew: thx !:) |
| 14:01.11 | streuner | reagent: *shrug* |
| 14:01.11 | stew | !de |
| 14:01.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 14:01.15 | eurisko | oh tks! |
| 14:01.29 | eurisko | idin't know the existence of update-grub app |
| 14:01.39 | mikmu | saloxin: Just Basically processor utilisation, disc usages, swaps, etc, just to help me track down any performance problems |
| 14:01.40 | stew | eurisko: read /usr/share/doc/grub/* |
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| 14:02.15 | saloxin | mikmu: munin is also great for this, with pretty graphs etc. also reports to nagios if needed |
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| 14:02.44 | mikmu | saloxin: great, thanks |
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| 14:03.00 | KursK | can you confirm, it's common that a standard installation of debian has the user irc? |
| 14:03.07 | vagabund | I am faked for presidente - |
| 14:03.09 | Guerin | KursK: no. |
| 14:03.31 | saloxin | KursK: i you have irc daemon installed |
| 14:03.35 | vagabund | they are all bloody assholes!!!11 |
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| 14:04.57 | rina18 | hi |
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| 14:06.11 | KursK | saloxin, really? oh oh |
| 14:06.12 | mik3 | wow samba is neat |
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| 14:08.14 | Ungy | mik3, you can go to #samba and talk about how great it is there and they will appreciate it |
| 14:08.15 | sgeigerbot | KursK: Yes, /etc/passwd has an irc usr by default. |
| 14:08.54 | saloxin | sgeigerbot: nothing to do with ircd? mea culpa |
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| 14:09.13 | mik3 | Ungy: i'll go ahead and file that under "who gives a fuck?" |
| 14:09.23 | sgeigerbot | KursK: If you run Tiger or other such tools, you will be alerted to situations like that where the non-used account has a valid shell. |
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| 14:09.27 | KursK | sgeigerbot, ah good, I took also a look at other machines, all have and I was quite sure I did not install any irc stuff on them...puh...thx |
| 14:09.30 | mernil | mik3: don't use foul language! |
| 14:09.33 | mik3 | sorry |
| 14:09.36 | antgel | mik3: are you trying to get /ig from the entire channel? |
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| 14:09.40 | sgeigerbot | saloxin: Yeah, I don't really understand why they do that. |
| 14:10.03 | KursK | sgeigerbot, does Tiger the same like chkrootkit? |
| 14:10.06 | mik3 | antgel: i think it's other way around |
| 14:10.06 | KursK | got any URL? |
| 14:10.23 | sgeigerbot | KursK: they are different tools. No, they aren't the same tool. |
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| 14:10.36 | sgeigerbot | KursK: run tiger and find out for yourself. |
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| 14:10.43 | ShortWave | Hey all! |
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| 14:11.17 | ShortWave | Here's something interesting for you folks...you may not know that you've been the object of direct scrutiny by some behavioural scientist... |
| 14:11.23 | ShortWave | http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=805287 <---here's a nice paper to read |
| 14:11.25 | sgeigerbot | KursK: tiger, as in "tiger team", as the goal of preventing intrusions. chrootkit looks for signs of intrusions. |
| 14:12.23 | KursK | sgeigerbot, ah okay...I did not realize it's available as deb package, I'll take a look at it |
| 14:12.26 | sgeigerbot | KursK: I would also check out: checksecurity, harden-environment, tripwire, integrit, logcheck, fwlogcheck, logwatch |
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| 14:12.41 | sgeigerbot | KursK: remember: security in layers. |
| 14:12.49 | KursK | tripwire is running, but I'll take also a look at the others, thanks very much! |
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| 14:13.03 | saloxin | KursK, sgeigerbot: the proggy tiger is also nice :-) |
| 14:13.20 | sgeigerbot | saloxin: that's whta I just said. |
| 14:13.36 | saloxin | sgeigerbot: er, just saw that.. |
| 14:13.46 | sgeigerbot | KursK: And syslog-summary, and swatch |
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| 14:15.10 | sgeigerbot | KursK: and "john" |
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| 14:16.19 | nomed^ | ops |
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| 14:17.16 | KursK | sgeigerbot, thx, this will keep me busy...I feel safe, but this irc account made me kinda unsure... |
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| 14:18.16 | sgeigerbot | !+safe |
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| 14:20.03 | KursK | what do you mean with !+safe |
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| 14:21.08 | sgeigerbot | KursK: I mean, there ought to be some random commentary that our local bot dpkg has on the topic of safety. |
| 14:22.09 | stew | "is it safe?" |
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| 14:22.52 | sgeigerbot | KursK: I've come to rely on the concept of "context" when describing security/safety. |
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| 14:23.17 | sgeigerbot | KursK: otherwise, whatever you think or say is not very useful. |
| 14:23.27 | Guerin | samuel: i think it's mostly concentrated under !famous last words |
| 14:23.38 | SquarePants | how can i see and decompress img and iso files? |
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| 14:23.50 | Guerin | SquarePants: mount -o loop |
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| 14:23.54 | Guerin | SquarePants: man mount |
| 14:24.11 | valdyn | SquarePants: iso / img files containing what? |
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| 14:24.32 | KursK | ah okay |
| 14:24.36 | fken | hello |
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| 14:25.34 | fken | since i upgraded my debian into testing, cdrom refuses to work : I think the correct dev is now scd0 (and no more hdb) |
| 14:25.34 | apoca | Hi, I have a question |
| 14:25.42 | fken | hi |
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| 14:25.51 | quoth | dsn=4.0.0, stat=I/O error: I/O error -> anyone seen this sendmail error before? anyone know how this can occur and if this is on the sending party or the receiving party? |
| 14:26.02 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 14:26.02 | apoca | How many Cd's do I need to download in order to just get the 'desktop' install |
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| 14:26.15 | ramik | hello |
| 14:26.20 | Guerin | apoca: two. but you almost certainly don't want both gnome and kde. |
| 14:26.22 | KursK | apoca, one should be enough for netinstall |
| 14:26.29 | Guerin | KursK: that's not what he asked. |
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| 14:26.31 | fken | apoca: it depends on your internet connection |
| 14:26.45 | apoca | netinstall wont work, it never resolves my DHCP info |
| 14:26.55 | apoca | I have dsl w/ auto assigned stuff |
| 14:27.00 | apoca | but it never retrieves it |
| 14:27.07 | fken | apoca: pppoe ? or usb ? |
| 14:27.12 | valdyn | fken: upgrading to testing doesnt involve changeing your kernel, so it does not involve changing the device for your cd drive |
| 14:27.14 | apoca | neg |
| 14:27.14 | KursK | Guerin, ah so he meant a dl so he does not has to download further stuff? mh well okay sorry |
| 14:27.19 | bob2 | quoth: what does syslog say? |
| 14:27.20 | Guerin | !i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. |
| 14:27.20 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 14:27.24 | mernil | well.. if you like you can download a song which i play.. the debian blues i call it: http://www.beppe.pezzen.org/~mernil/seppo1.mp3 |
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| 14:27.47 | fken | valdyn: ok so the problem came from linux-image-2.6.12-1-amd-k8 |
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| 14:27.55 | mernil | it's REALLY good ;) |
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| 14:28.12 | ramik | :> |
| 14:28.27 | valdyn | fken: possibly, which interface type is that drive, which kernel did you have before |
| 14:28.41 | fken | and famd keeps on taking all the cpu usage |
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| 14:29.29 | ramik | where I found KDE with multiusers session??:> |
| 14:29.35 | apoca | ok guys I have another question :) Upon initial install with normal boot... it hangs at sd_mod at about 91% and wont go further. If I use linux26 it works fine. |
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| 14:29.49 | fken | valdyn: first install 2.6.8 then i upgraded to 2.6.12-1 for my sound card | cdrom/dvd writer is on a PATA connecting |
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| 14:29.53 | apoca | How do I get it tto work |
| 14:29.56 | valdyn | apoca: so use linux26 |
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| 14:30.02 | apoca | ok |
| 14:30.08 | apoca | very well :) |
| 14:30.10 | fireba11 | *rofl* |
| 14:30.18 | apoca | what is the kern in normal boot? |
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| 14:30.22 | fireba11 | valdyn: you were a bit faster .. :-) |
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| 14:30.30 | fireba11 | apoca: 2.4.something |
| 14:30.35 | apoca | ah! |
| 14:30.36 | apoca | ok |
| 14:30.37 | apoca | cool |
| 14:30.39 | stew | apoca: 2.4.27-2 |
| 14:30.39 | apoca | thanks guys |
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| 14:30.44 | fken | apocaceretainly a 2.4 |
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| 14:30.54 | apoca | <3 #debian |
| 14:30.58 | valdyn | fken: should be the same device still, what is wrong with it exactly? |
| 14:31.13 | quoth | bob2 i can't check, that I/O error is in the logs of a peer trying to send mail to us. the problem is I don't know where the problem is located in the first place, their sendmail or mine |
| 14:31.41 | Electron_ | anyone know about bnc? |
| 14:31.43 | Electron_ | psybnc |
| 14:31.50 | Guerin | Electron_: the bnc developers do. |
| 14:31.57 | Guerin | Electron_: and it is documented. |
| 14:32.03 | pngwn | Electron_, off topic in here |
| 14:32.07 | Electron_ | I read it but it didn't work |
| 14:32.17 | fken | valdyn: since i installed the new kernel I cant mount anymore but if i change my fstab /dev/hdb -> /dev/scd0 it will certainly works... |
| 14:32.24 | Guerin | Electron_: well, since it's not in debian... |
| 14:32.30 | fken | valdyn: I would like to know what are the difference |
| 14:32.53 | Electron_ | I installed it and ran it on my server with dialup and I use dyndns.org for ip masking but when I connect on bnc it doesn't show the hostname, just the ip ? |
| 14:32.56 | valdyn | fken: that would mean that you use a libata driver now for that interface, nothing wrong with that, as long as it works. |
| 14:32.59 | fken | valdyn: and if hdb was a better choice : i wanna it to work |
| 14:33.29 | valdyn | fken: it isnt, unless you had manually 'activated' the old scsi emulation layer, which seems unlikely. |
| 14:33.35 | fken | valdyn:ok so there wont be any difference ? |
| 14:33.43 | fken | ok |
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| 14:34.39 | valdyn | fken: old driver might still exist, but there's no point 'switching' if current setup works. |
| 14:34.42 | fken | i would like to make the automatic mount of some drives like : camera and usb keys. But i have no clue how imap works |
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| 14:34.55 | valdyn | !imap |
| 14:34.55 | dpkg | [imap] (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and portions thereof. |
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| 14:35.24 | fken | valdyn: so imap wasnt the good word lol |
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| 14:35.47 | valdyn | fken: which desktop environment are you using? |
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| 14:36.05 | fken | valdyn: kde |
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| 14:36.38 | valdyn | fken: gnome-volume-manager might work with that, or so i heared, desktop agnostic would be 'usbmount' |
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| 14:37.17 | fken | valdyn : gnome volume manager is still installed on my computer |
| 14:37.25 | fken | *already |
| 14:37.29 | grendal_prime | somone told me that with the new xserver-xorg true transparencys are supported |
| 14:37.32 | blahblah | apt, dyndns |
| 14:37.33 | apt | Dynamic DNS server. URL: http://dyn.stech.net/ |
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| 14:37.57 | grendal_prime | anyone else heard this or know it to be fact? |
| 14:37.58 | Guerin | grendal_prime: if you have a composite manager, which isn't in debian, aiui |
| 14:38.12 | V12 | apt, php |
| 14:38.13 | apt | HTML-embedded scripting language. URL: http://www.php.net/, or gimpy like python, or an incredible pain. |
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| 14:38.23 | fken | valdyn: sorry i forgot to tell exactly what i need : i want to see the correct drive automounted ad an icon to reach it on my desktop |
| 14:38.40 | valdyn | fken: i dont know about that in kde |
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| 14:38.53 | grendal_prime | composite manager? |
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| 14:39.20 | fken | valdyn: i know its possible because i saw that under mandrake long time before and under kubuntu i think |
| 14:39.31 | Akbar | is gnome 2.10 already in testing? |
| 14:40.03 | Guerin | !tell Akbar about search |
| 14:40.34 | Akbar | :) |
| 14:41.17 | mernil | what is the best journaled filesystem? |
| 14:41.55 | mernil | the best answer will will a trip to marhas winyard |
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| 14:42.20 | fken | someone here already tried to install wacom tablet drivers? |
| 14:42.30 | Akbar | Guerin I'm running sarge but I thought if gnome had entered testing I would move to testing |
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| 14:42.31 | mernil | reiser is the best |
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| 14:42.40 | hagen | hello debian ppl |
| 14:42.47 | fken | hello |
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| 14:42.48 | pablob | mernil: reiserfs or reiser4? |
| 14:42.49 | EdLin | !ricerfs |
| 14:42.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 14:42.56 | Guerin | Akbar: so search, and ye shall find. |
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| 14:43.00 | fken | i liked xfs a lot |
| 14:43.02 | pablob | mernil: I prefer XFS to reiserfs |
| 14:43.08 | fken | reiser crashed my system |
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| 14:43.29 | fken | but today i am using ext3 |
| 14:43.32 | pablob | reiserfs corrpted some of mine too |
| 14:43.41 | Akbar | apt-cache search would only search packages in my current stable distro right and debian.org package search is disabled at the moment :P |
| 14:44.15 | Gathond | reiserfs is fast, and efficient with many small files, but recovery and robustness seems to be low on the list of priorities |
| 14:44.19 | hagen | i am bash script newbie.. how can i make a script to do a certain job with each file inside a dir??? |
| 14:44.20 | V12 | anybody know how to fix: Grub Loading 1.5 Read Error ? |
| 14:44.21 | fken | did you already tried openoffice in experimental ? |
| 14:44.26 | EdLin | !info gnome etch |
| 14:44.31 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.10.2.3 (etch), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 14:44.40 | Akbar | sweet :) |
| 14:44.43 | Anthro | hagen: You might ask in #bash |
| 14:44.52 | pablob | XFS is better if you dont have an UPS |
| 14:44.54 | hagen | Anthro: right.. thx |
| 14:44.57 | stew | hagen: man run-parts |
| 14:44.59 | Akbar | EdgEy.. thanks |
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| 14:45.26 | fken | whats ups ? |
| 14:45.34 | snail | hagen: for file in $dir/*; do job $dir/$file; done |
| 14:45.37 | Akbar | I meant EdLin :) |
| 14:45.43 | EdLin | yw |
| 14:45.45 | Gathond | pablob: aint xfs the one that is bad if you dont have a ups ... or was that jfs |
| 14:45.57 | stew | Gathond: yes, xfs |
| 14:46.00 | hagen | stew.. thx hey snail thx u.. that's exactly what i need :D |
| 14:46.13 | EdLin | Gathond: XFS |
| 14:46.27 | Anthro | What's the point of a journalled filesystem if it can't recover well from a power interruption? |
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| 14:46.33 | pablob | Gathond: really? not a problem yet. but now Im scared :| |
| 14:46.44 | Gathond | EdLin: what about that one? |
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| 14:47.08 | EdLin | Gathond: it write caches very agressively, so if you don't have a UPS there's a lot of lost data. |
| 14:47.13 | Gathond | pablob: I seem to remember something about XFS or JFS doing very aggressive caching of stuff and thereby being voulnerable to power failures |
| 14:47.19 | EdLin | (if you have a power outage) |
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| 14:47.27 | nkuttler | Anthro: xfs was designed to work on a specific architecture where power interruption were not an issue |
| 14:47.28 | Gathond | EdLin: ok, so I remembered it right:) |
| 14:47.33 | bibe | hi all. I am running KDE on a sarge system, and I also use gdesklets. gdesklets package is at version 0.33.1, while gdesklets-data is at version 0.32. Most of the desklets don't start, the problem seems related to the different versions (using 0.32 for both packages works fine). How can I manage to stick on gdesklets_0.32 when apt-get upgrading? |
| 14:47.40 | EdLin | JFS is known to be buggy, only use it if you need to share a partition with AIX or the like. |
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| 14:47.58 | pablob | Gathond: Oh, that's ok. But it doesnt corrupt the filesystem, as reiserfs did for me |
| 14:47.58 | SNow | hello |
| 14:48.17 | EdLin | ext3 has ordered writes which make it very robust |
| 14:48.22 | SNow | Problem with MergeList The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. when I am doin' apt-get update, what is the solution of this problem!? :) |
| 14:48.31 | Gathond | pablob: the filesystem might get by in a consistant state yes, but then I prefer ext3 :) |
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| 14:49.05 | pablob | Gathond: fsck.ext3 is fast or is it like fsck.ext2? |
| 14:49.25 | carlinhos | can i mount pfs files under debian? |
| 14:49.28 | SNow | Problem with MergeList The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. when I am doin' apt-get update, what is the solution of this problem!? :) |
| 14:49.30 | Gathond | pablob: its the same as .ext2 (if the journal sees a problem) |
| 14:49.31 | EdLin | pablob: the ext3 journal makes fsck fast under normal conditions |
| 14:50.17 | Gathond | pablob: of cause if you want it will check the consistency of the filesystem (might even at the once every X boot thing) but a crash generally does not take long unless the journal knows there are errors |
| 14:50.23 | Gathond | pablob: have to go :) |
| 14:50.26 | SNow | does somebody knows the answer? |
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| 14:50.45 | EdLin | !somebody |
| 14:50.46 | dpkg | from memory, somebody is a person , who has a body |
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| 14:51.16 | valdyn | SNow: this is bad, did you have a crash or somethig while apt-get was running? |
| 14:51.26 | SNow | no, I haven't! |
| 14:51.30 | hagen | !xmms |
| 14:51.30 | dpkg | [xmms] X MultiMedia System. Obtain it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
| 14:51.40 | SNow | the problem started when I added more sources to sources.list |
| 14:51.40 | antgel | hmm, somebody changed the somebody factoid to be less insulting |
| 14:51.53 | antgel | is there an embargo on msg'ing the bot? |
| 14:51.59 | bob2 | SNow: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 14:52.19 | valdyn | !anybody |
| 14:52.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 14:52.42 | antgel | valdyn: wtf? |
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| 14:52.46 | EdLin | dpkg: why are you polite all of a sudden? |
| 14:52.47 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, EdLin |
| 14:52.48 | Zap-W | who do i have two : tmpfs 142M 4.0K 142M 1% /dev/shm and tmpfs 10M 388K 9.7M 4% /dev |
| 14:52.53 | Zap-W | s/who/why |
| 14:52.55 | EdLin | ;-) |
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| 14:53.04 | sgeigerbot | Can someone give me ideas as to why on boot and immediately after "Setting up ICE socket directory" I get "Give root password for maintenance"? (That is, apparently just before INIT wants to leave runlevel 1.) I've tried fsck-ing the parition. This is a freshly compiled kernel. I've tried (without success) to reproduce this error with one of the other kernels I have on this machine. That tells me there's something that I app |
| 14:53.04 | sgeigerbot | raently forgot to compile into this kernel. Perhaps a device? |
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| 14:53.12 | carlinhos | can i mount pfs files under debian? |
| 14:53.15 | pngwn | grep 1025 |
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| 14:53.32 | antgel | sgeigerbot: you're booting into single user mode |
| 14:53.42 | sgeigerbot | I have **EVEN** taken a perfectly working .config from another machine *which is identical* and recompiled the kernel. |
| 14:53.45 | pablob | what is a pfs file? |
| 14:53.59 | antgel | sgeigerbot: check your boot loader |
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| 14:54.42 | sgeigerbot | antgel: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. |
| 14:54.46 | sgeigerbot | antgel: thanks. |
| 14:54.53 | sgeigerbot | antgel: fuck. :-) |
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| 14:55.49 | valdyn | Zap-W: /dev/shm is used by your glibc, /dev/ is maintained by udev |
| 14:55.58 | sgeigerbot | antgel: Thank you so much. |
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| 14:56.27 | sgeigerbot | antgel: my god...I don't know how to thank you enough. That was frustrating. |
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| 14:56.30 | antgel | sgeigerbot: pleasure |
| 14:56.39 | valdyn | Zap-W: what's the problem with this? |
| 14:56.40 | antgel | sgeigerbot: how about money? |
| 14:56.40 | Octalthorpe | Are there any tools that can be used to remotely manage the packages for a set of computers? (E.g., a computer lab) |
| 14:56.45 | sgeigerbot | antgel: :-) |
| 14:56.46 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a tool which can extract IDAT part of a PNG image? |
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| 14:57.08 | sgeigerbot | antgel: How much do you normally get paid for removing five ascii characters from a text file? |
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| 14:57.19 | sgeigerbot | antgel: well, six. |
| 14:57.22 | Octalthorpe | sgeigerbot : Fifteen or Sixteen thousand.. |
| 14:57.27 | Octalthorpe | Yen. :/ |
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| 14:57.38 | antgel | sgeigerbot: not enough, unfortunately |
| 14:57.56 | sgeigerbot | !+karma antgel |
| 14:57.56 | dpkg | antgel has karma of 1 |
| 14:58.06 | sgeigerbot | !+karma antgel |
| 14:58.06 | dpkg | antgel has karma of 1 |
| 14:58.12 | antgel | i'm on my way |
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| 14:58.14 | sgeigerbot | !antgel++ |
| 14:58.15 | antgel | is karma like money? |
| 14:58.24 | sgeigerbot | !+karma antgel |
| 14:58.24 | dpkg | antgel has karma of 2 |
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| 14:58.28 | Octalthorpe | antgel : Sure. |
| 14:58.34 | sgeigerbot | antgel: sort of. |
| 14:58.34 | antgel | *grin* |
| 14:58.37 | Octalthorpe | antgel : Except that you can't hold, spend, or trade it. |
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| 14:58.50 | sgeigerbot | antgel: usually you can't get sex with it. |
| 14:58.58 | antgel | sgeigerbot: doh! |
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| 14:59.06 | Octalthorpe | sgeigerbot : I don't know... if you had *really* good karma... |
| 14:59.35 | sgeigerbot | Octalthorpe: I think you are right. Perhaps, but not with total strangers--and that's important! |
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| 15:00.07 | Octalthorpe | sgeigerbot : Well, you have to assume your karma is high enough that there's nobody that doesn't know about it. |
| 15:00.17 | error403_ | could somebody help me with my exim4 configuration? every time my mail server recieves an email, in the log i get '2005-09-21 15:58:44 1EI63D-0006cz-NF == v8d@dtnet.kicks-ass.net R=dnslookup_relay_to_domains T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host' |
| 15:00.28 | antgel | #debian-philosophy |
| 15:00.34 | Octalthorpe | antgel : Heh. |
| 15:00.37 | Pres-Gas | Hey all, I may have a bug to report for the Debian installer. It seems to not be recognizing my nic. It was on RC3, but not the most recent daily builds. I could not immediately find docs on reporting bugs...where is that? |
| 15:00.42 | sgeigerbot | Octalthorpe: We're talking Elvis or JFK karma. Practically nobody has that. |
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| 15:01.06 | Octalthorpe | sgeigerbot : But it's still a form of karma. I didn't mean to indicate that antgel would be able to achieve such karma- just that it exists. |
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| 15:01.09 | bob2 | Pres-Gas: you know sarge released, right? |
| 15:01.21 | antgel | error403_: sure, after you tell us what you've done to try and fix it |
| 15:01.23 | Akbar | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 15:01.23 | Akbar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.23 | Akbar | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 15:01.25 | Akbar | oh ohh.. |
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| 15:01.32 | sgeigerbot | !antgel++ |
| 15:01.32 | Pres-Gas | yeah, but I want testing ideally, bob2 |
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| 15:01.41 | Akbar | ;/ |
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| 15:01.54 | antgel | who says i can't acheive karma like elvis? all i need is to eat more kebabs |
| 15:01.56 | Akbar | oh I see.. |
| 15:01.56 | Coweater | Pres-Gas: install sarge and then change your sources and upgrade |
| 15:01.56 | Octalthorpe | Pres-Gas : Install from Sarge, and then change to Etch and run dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:02.02 | error403_ | antgel, well, i thought it was a DNS problem - so im making sure dtnet.kicks-ass.net resolves to 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:02.04 | SquarePants | er.. which dev file corresponds to the a: floppy drive? |
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| 15:02.12 | SquarePants | dev/fd0 or fd1? |
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| 15:02.18 | Octalthorpe | SquarePants : fd0 |
| 15:02.18 | bob2 | SquarePants: 0 |
| 15:02.21 | error403_ | antgel, also, all external DNS records for that domain point to the server |
| 15:02.26 | antgel | error403_: is dtnet related to dream theater? |
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| 15:02.32 | error403_ | antgel, no |
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| 15:02.43 | error403_ | :P |
| 15:03.01 | J1 | Will the version of Gaim on Sarge ever exceed 1.2? |
| 15:03.10 | antgel | error403_: what i'm saying is it isn't likely that you would receive that message upon receiving mail. more upon processing of the queue. |
| 15:03.14 | Coweater | J1: no |
| 15:03.20 | antgel | J1: www.debian.org/releases |
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| 15:03.35 | Pres-Gas | Okay, but there is no way to report on this? |
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| 15:04.02 | bob2 | Pres-Gas: sure, the bts |
| 15:04.04 | antgel | error403_: are you tail -f'ing the mainlog? |
| 15:04.07 | error403_ | antgel, its defnitely that mail - the id 1EI63D-0006cz-NF matches the mail that has just been received |
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| 15:04.08 | Pres-Gas | I figure it is not a good thing to have a card on there and then not be |
| 15:04.11 | error403_ | antgel, yes... |
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| 15:04.26 | error403_ | 2005-09-21 15:58:23 1EI63D-0006cz-NF <= root@dtnet.kicks-ass.org U=root P=local S=333 |
| 15:04.26 | error403_ | 2005-09-21 15:58:44 1EI63D-0006cz-NF == v8d@dtnet.kicks-ass.net R=dnslookup_relay_to_domains T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 15:04.28 | antgel | error403_: i recall this error. i'm sure a google will sort you out |
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| 15:04.33 | Pres-Gas | bob2, bts? Can you gimme a starter link so I can RTFM? |
| 15:04.36 | J1 | Coweater: why not? |
| 15:04.44 | error403_ | antgel, i spend 6 hours straight on google trying to fix it... |
| 15:04.47 | Octalthorpe | Pres-Gas : bugs.debian.org |
| 15:04.48 | antgel | error403_: it may be in the exim faq |
| 15:04.52 | bob2 | Pres-Gas: bugs.debian.org |
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| 15:04.55 | antgel | Pres-Gas: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 15:04.59 | error403_ | antgel, ok, where is that? |
| 15:05.00 | Pres-Gas | Tanks, all |
| 15:05.02 | Coweater | J1: it's frozen, it'll get a number appended for security updates |
| 15:05.04 | error403_ | google? |
| 15:05.06 | error403_ | hehe |
| 15:05.32 | error403_ | antgel, its almost like the mail is getting accepted, but doesnt know what to do with it... |
| 15:05.43 | J1 | Coweater: okay. Will patches be accepted? |
| 15:05.44 | sdschulze | How do I set the font size under X for programs that do not underlie a desktop environment? |
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| 15:05.49 | Zap-W | anyone way to prevent hotplug from loading usbcore module |
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| 15:05.58 | t_j_d | hi - has the aliases syntax changed for exim v4? |
| 15:05.58 | antgel | Zap-W: blacklist? |
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| 15:06.03 | Zap-W | it's already in the /etc/hotplug/blacklist file |
| 15:06.04 | petemc | t_j_d: no |
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| 15:06.17 | t_j_d | I'm getting duplicate messages after upgrading v3 --> v4 |
| 15:06.18 | bob2 | Zap-W: sure it's hotplug then? |
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| 15:06.31 | antgel | sdschulze: underlie? |
| 15:06.33 | bob2 | Zap-W: and you might need to blacklist higher-level usb modules, too |
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| 15:06.42 | antgel | t_j_d: tail -f the log |
| 15:06.46 | t_j_d | have been |
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| 15:06.54 | sdschulze | antgel: that are independent, I mean |
| 15:06.56 | Zap-W | bob2: i blacklisted all of my compiled usb modules |
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| 15:07.01 | sdschulze | antgel: like Emacs or XTerm |
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| 15:07.11 | sdschulze | XTerm is actually a good example. |
| 15:07.15 | jshriver | what is the most recent version of Debian? 3.1ra? |
| 15:07.17 | hiux | set irc_conf_mode 1 |
| 15:07.22 | antgel | sdschulze: Xresources |
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| 15:07.23 | bob2 | jshriver: r0a, yes |
| 15:07.31 | antgel | jshriver: www.debian.org/releases |
| 15:07.32 | mernil | Emacs sucks and Xterm is a joke! Really! |
| 15:07.33 | t_j_d | for users who want local mail plus external forwarding, it's like this in the aliases: |
| 15:07.36 | J1 | Coweater: okay. Will patches be accepted? |
| 15:07.42 | sdschulze | antgel: Can I set the font size for *all* programs there? |
| 15:07.43 | Zap-W | wait there is one i didn't blacklist |
| 15:07.46 | t_j_d | person: person, person@gmail.com |
| 15:07.48 | bob2 | mernil: ? |
| 15:07.49 | antgel | !tell J1 about repeat |
| 15:07.50 | Zap-W | usbhid |
| 15:07.50 | jshriver | bob2, antgel : thanks... |
| 15:07.57 | flexy | what are the default (ie. correct) file and directory rights for files in /var/www? |
| 15:08.00 | antgel | J1: what sort of patches? |
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| 15:08.03 | sdschulze | but thanks so far |
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| 15:08.17 | bob2 | flexy: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2005-09-19 14:36 /var/www |
| 15:08.21 | t_j_d | isn't that right? |
| 15:08.22 | antgel | flexy: up to the webserver admin |
| 15:08.25 | mernil | but RMS rocks and ESR is okay |
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| 15:08.57 | mernil | though mernil rules :D |
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| 15:09.11 | antgel | sdschulze: programs that support it, which most well-written x programs should imo |
| 15:09.34 | flexy | bob2: I remembered that there should be group www-data? Was I incorrect? Or was that for the files inside /var/www/ |
| 15:09.39 | J1 | antgel: There is a bug I once reported about accents and umlauts (and more of it) in nicknames. It was fixed in 1.3 (based on a very small patch I seem to have lost). So just a usability patch... |
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| 15:09.47 | mernil | most X-programs sucks.. i can't think of one well written |
| 15:09.56 | antgel | J1: i think you need to learn about debian. /msg dpkg grounding |
| 15:10.10 | bob2 | flexy: yes, that's the group apache runs as |
| 15:10.31 | bob2 | flexy: it deliberately does not have permission to write to /var/www/, so that a compromised apache process can't trash the site on disk |
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| 15:10.58 | J1 | antgel: I thought to have read them... I'm I forgetting something? |
| 15:10.58 | t_j_d | XEmacs? |
| 15:11.17 | J1 | s/I'm/Am |
| 15:11.21 | Zap-W | anyone know a name of a good sci-fi or any other series doing well in US televisionseries |
| 15:11.38 | Octalthorpe | Battlestar: Galactica |
| 15:11.47 | Octalthorpe | Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis. |
| 15:11.50 | ircdevil | star trek |
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| 15:11.55 | antgel | J1: you're forgetting that Debian stable is stable except for security updates |
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| 15:11.58 | bob2 | ircdevil: "good" |
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| 15:12.03 | Octalthorpe | ircdevil : There's no current Star Trek, and the last one wasn't very popular. |
| 15:12.05 | ircdevil | bob2: sci-fi? |
| 15:12.19 | antgel | how can i /ig all sci-fi dicsussion? |
| 15:12.21 | mernil | Zap-W: the best damn movie is "man on fire" not si-fi though.. |
| 15:12.26 | flexy | bob2: OK, I have done some stupid rights "controlling", so now reverting to using acl... would like to get the files inside /var/www/ back to correct/sane rights... |
| 15:12.32 | ircdevil | antgel: /help ig |
| 15:13.17 | antgel | ircdevil: my question was tongue-in-cheek but you're right |
| 15:13.17 | mernil | everyone here must see "Man on fire" .. the ultimate revenge movie! so freaking good! |
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| 15:13.28 | antgel | mernil: #debian-offtopic? |
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| 15:13.31 | bob2 | flexy: sudo chown root:root -R /var/www |
| 15:13.32 | J1 | antgel: No, that's why I asked :-P I think it's a bit unclear because bugs can still be sent and the package maintainers pages keep quite about it. |
| 15:13.34 | mernil | antgel: :P |
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| 15:13.37 | J1 | but thanks |
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| 15:13.43 | bob2 | mernil: please try to stay on-topic |
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| 15:14.00 | antgel | J1: hope that clears is up. if you need a later version /msg dpkg simple sid backport but beware |
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| 15:14.07 | mernil | bob2: i was just answering a question |
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| 15:15.07 | bob2 | J1: serious bugs can be fixed in stable releases, too |
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| 15:15.23 | J1 | antgel: yes, too bad backports.org seems a bit outdated |
| 15:15.32 | bob2 | J1: but from the sounds of it, yours wasn't really critical (tho still worth fixing later) |
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| 15:15.44 | J1 | thank you very much bob2, I might very well post the bug... |
| 15:15.45 | flexy | bob2: so, no idea for chown root.www-data -R /var/www/* |
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| 15:16.00 | flexy | ^^ no need to |
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| 15:17.42 | Kariu | hello |
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| 15:18.15 | bob2 | flexy: do not make www-data own anything on disk |
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| 15:19.24 | Kariu | hello, I just starting to set up debian on this machine here and afterwards, tasksel fetches the latest packages. However, I'm seeing this error... E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 15:19.24 | flexy | bob2: no, not own... owner root, but group www-data? I thought that was the way it was, but it's long ago, so I'm not sure |
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| 15:19.43 | bob2 | flexy: it's never been that in my recollection |
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| 15:19.49 | bob2 | Kariu: upgrade to sarge |
| 15:20.12 | flexy | bob2: OK, I'll take your word for it |
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| 15:22.02 | Kariu | bob2: can't :( |
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| 15:22.13 | bob2 | Kariu: "can't"? |
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| 15:22.56 | Kariu | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option |
| 15:23.01 | Kariu | eeek |
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| 15:23.41 | flexy | bob2: hmmmm... if root.root is the owner and group, why I see (untouched by me) squirrelmail installation at /var/squirrelmail with following rights: drwxr-xr-x 4 root www-data 4096 Mar 9 2005 squirrelmail |
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| 15:25.56 | netman1 | How did that magic go with apt-file(?) with which you can track down package files, even uninstalled ones? (Do not mean dpkg -S.) |
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| 15:26.33 | Zvpun | I got one machine with a runnin cups and another machine on the local net, that can connect to http://printerpc:631/. What do I have to do to tell the other machine to print with printermachine? |
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| 15:31.47 | bob2 | flexy: squirellmail needs to be able to write to some stuff |
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| 15:31.52 | bob2 | and it runs as www-data |
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| 15:32.06 | antgel | netman1: have you read the man? |
| 15:32.09 | moya | how can I disable the email notification of user crontab runs ? |
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| 15:32.30 | bob2 | moya: make the cronjob not print anything |
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| 15:33.07 | Electron_ | how do you unzil .tgz ? |
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| 15:33.24 | antgel | Electron_: man tar (tar xzf) |
| 15:33.24 | flexy | bob2: Right. thanks :) |
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| 15:33.35 | error403_ | Electron_, tar -xzf <file> i think |
| 15:33.42 | t_j_d | yay ¦] my duplicates are fixed |
| 15:33.48 | antgel | Zvpun: install cypsys-client and rtm |
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| 15:34.10 | V12 | im having problems installing phpsysinfo-2.3.tar.gz |
| 15:34.16 | t_j_d | the spamcheck_router router was sending duplicates |
| 15:34.18 | V12 | anybody care to help? |
| 15:34.33 | antgel | !tell V12 about anybody |
| 15:34.47 | t_j_d | I don't need 850_spamcheck-router with SA-Exim |
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| 15:35.29 | antgel | Zvpun: typo, meant cupsys-client |
| 15:35.48 | error403_ | antgel, i fixed exim - now my inbox if FULL of failed mail that didnt get delivered before... |
| 15:35.53 | antgel | !tell V12 about ask |
| 15:36.10 | Zvpun | antgel: this is actually what I do :-) |
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| 15:36.45 | Electron_ | tar -xzf ircd-hybrid-7.1.2.tgz |
| 15:36.45 | Electron_ | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 15:37.10 | antgel | Electron_: no - |
| 15:37.22 | V12 | phpsysinfo doesnt want to load up in webserver Dr antgel |
| 15:37.35 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 15:38.52 | spectie | hey all, i'm having a problem with cd writing - i've got a brand new ide cd writer, the latest debian running 2.6.8-686 and cdrecord 2.01.01a01 (debian hacked version) |
| 15:39.00 | spectie | the problem is that when i try and 'scanbus' like "cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus" |
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| 15:39.05 | spectie | i get: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 15:39.13 | FallOnMe | antgel: doesn't GNU tar manage options both with and without - |
| 15:39.31 | antgel | FallOnMe: maybe :) |
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| 15:40.07 | antgel | Electron_: why are you installing from source? this isn't 1976 |
| 15:40.39 | vladkao | antgel: and yet, it's fun to install from source ;-) |
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| 15:40.54 | FallOnMe | Electron_: what's wrong with the phpsysinfo package anyway? |
| 15:41.33 | FallOnMe | Why do browser people "helpfully" ungzip the downloaded files and then keep the original file name? |
| 15:41.52 | V12 | its easier |
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| 15:42.13 | FallOnMe | Electron_: mv ircd-hybrid-7.1.2.tgz ircd-hybrid-7.1.2.tar; tar xf ircd-hybrid-7.1.2.tar |
| 15:42.17 | V12 | less effort involved |
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| 15:42.54 | FallOnMe | V12: yeah, don't have to type "z" and can't verify the checksum. |
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| 15:43.15 | V12 | indeed FallOnMe |
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| 15:46.36 | fken | how can i know if i am really running xorg ? |
| 15:47.07 | spectie | X -version |
| 15:47.08 | spectie | ? |
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| 15:48.19 | Mr_Morden | is 2.6 kernel to be advised to be used with debian 3.1? |
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| 15:48.54 | valdyn | Mr_Morden: whatever you prefer, 2.4 is default |
| 15:49.12 | fken | spectie: not really |
| 15:49.31 | fken | spectie : its not clearly written i am using xorg |
| 15:49.36 | Mr_Morden | well, 2.6 is newer so I tend to think it's better |
| 15:49.45 | Mr_Morden | only have yesterday installed debian |
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| 15:49.56 | valdyn | fken: X -version or ps aux | grep -i xorg |
| 15:50.02 | Mr_Morden | but I don't really know anything about it @ fken |
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| 15:51.07 | fken | valdyn : ps aux gave me nothing |
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| 15:51.37 | fken | valdyn : but it gives something to the root |
| 15:51.43 | fken | thanks |
| 15:52.21 | antgel | !tell Mr_Morden about grounding |
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| 15:52.48 | valdyn | fken: yea, i was wrong, X is listed as X in ps, top would show the 'command', and its Xorg |
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| 15:53.47 | fken | valdyn: anyway i cannot use my wacom tablet even if i follow the howto i fund on internet |
| 15:53.58 | valdyn | !wacom |
| 15:53.59 | dpkg | i guess wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html |
| 15:54.03 | Zvpun | antgel: do I have to install cups-server on my client too? |
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| 15:54.28 | lancelot24 | good afternoon to everyone |
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| 15:54.37 | antgel | Zvpun: what gives you that impression/ |
| 15:54.38 | valdyn | Zvpun: you should, if you want to print |
| 15:54.42 | jason^ | it's not the afternoon yet lancelot24 |
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| 15:55.04 | Zvpun | valdyn: but if I only want to print on some other serve I thought cupsys-client would be enough |
| 15:55.04 | lancelot24 | jason^,in Italy ys |
| 15:55.09 | lancelot24 | yes |
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| 15:55.34 | lancelot24 | as if evening!! |
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| 15:55.51 | fken | valdyn : /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html doesnt exist |
| 15:55.51 | valdyn | Zvpun: cups server does spooling an directing to another printer for you, if that 'other printer' is on another server then that is just one case of printer |
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| 15:56.10 | lancelot24 | is there anyone could help me in configuring and running a Winmodem on my laptop? :-( |
| 15:56.22 | valdyn | fken: i know nothing about wacom, just showed what dpkg knows... |
| 15:56.29 | Nurbs | how can I find out what package a given conffile belongs to? |
| 15:56.32 | Octalthorpe | lancelot24 : Buy yourself a nice USR hardware modem? :) |
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| 15:56.41 | lancelot24 | :-) |
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| 15:56.49 | RobHu_ | I've setup a minimal debian install using lvm and reiser3, but I'm having big problems installing grub - it says "/dev/mapper/vg1-lv1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive" - has anyone any idea ? :| |
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| 15:56.53 | doi | lancelot24: scanmodem |
| 15:56.54 | fken | valdyn: and the link you gave me was the one i followed |
| 15:56.55 | V12 | does anybody know of any tutorials of how to setup and install phpsysinfo? |
| 15:57.02 | lancelot24 | Octal,yeah, it's a good idea,but i'm in urgent situation |
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| 15:57.42 | lancelot24 | doi: scanmodem is a package or have i to tel you what kind of modem i have? |
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| 15:57.52 | RobHu_ | Any ideas anyone? |
| 15:57.57 | naddar | is the 64bits version good from debian? |
| 15:58.02 | naddar | anyone? |
| 15:58.23 | antgel | !tell Mr_Morden about msg |
| 15:58.30 | doi | lancelot24: it scans for the type of modem you have. I dont know if it is a deb package |
| 15:58.34 | antgel | !tell naddar about anyone |
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| 15:58.49 | fken | restarting xserver |
| 15:59.06 | lancelot24 | doi:does it run on debian? |
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| 15:59.27 | antgel | so, who changed dpkg to become the friendly face of #debian? |
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| 15:59.37 | Octalthorpe | ~anyone |
| 15:59.39 | apt | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
| 15:59.52 | valdyn | antgel: tried 'factinfo' ? |
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| 16:00.11 | antgel | valdyn: don't ask such a silly question. of course not! :P |
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| 16:00.37 | bgat | does anyone know how I can tell dpkg to forcibly remove a package without running the package's (buggy) post-removal script? |
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| 16:01.09 | valdyn | bgat: no, but you can edit that script |
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| 16:03.03 | naddar | i just like to know if the debian 64bits os is oK |
| 16:03.19 | valdyn | !fuck gentoo |
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| 16:03.40 | antgel | naddar: you are asking a question with no useful answer. why not read the amd 64 website? |
| 16:03.46 | ircops | hehehe |
| 16:03.51 | antgel | naddar: debian amd64 website that is |
| 16:04.13 | naddar | antgel: what site is that |
| 16:04.28 | antgel | naddar: you can find it via another famous website, www.google.com |
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| 16:04.56 | V12 | antgel ur cocky bastard today arent u ;) |
| 16:05.15 | valdyn | naddar: you should have good reasons to use it, some things dont work (well) on it, like firefox win32 codecs, flash etcpp |
| 16:05.29 | Zvpun | valdyn: cypsys-client doesnt depend on cupsys. Why does one not always need the server (cupsys)? |
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| 16:05.37 | doi | lancelot24: yes. sorry i didnt have the url at hand |
| 16:05.54 | naddar | ok valdyn thanks for the info |
| 16:06.00 | naddar | i thake sarge then |
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| 16:06.04 | doi | lancelot24: just google for scanmodem.gz |
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| 16:06.08 | Electron_ | how do I disable root ssh logins? |
| 16:06.20 | lancelot24 | thankyou very much doi |
| 16:06.23 | antgel | Zvpun: you only need the server to serve |
| 16:06.26 | stouset | Anyone know the easiest way in perl to convert a string into a sequence of bytes? I'm borking around with unpack/pack, but I've never really understood them. |
| 16:06.30 | antgel | Electron_: RTFM |
| 16:06.35 | lancelot24 | i hoped it was a dep package |
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| 16:06.41 | lancelot24 | but...so what |
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| 16:06.46 | antgel | Electron_: man sshd_config |
| 16:06.50 | lancelot24 | it's not a trouble! |
| 16:06.52 | lancelot24 | :-) |
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| 16:07.02 | lancelot24 | thank you for your help doi! |
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| 16:08.13 | Akbar | Electron_ /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:08.13 | isensi | is it advisable to run textparsing scripts on webserver when cpu usage is low , or is it not an issue ? |
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| 16:08.40 | honschu | How to import TTF-Fonts into debian? |
| 16:08.40 | antgel | isensi: that is so vague, the only possible answer is yes or no |
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| 16:09.19 | isensi | do i have to consider cpu-usage or is it done perfectly well by the kernel ? |
| 16:09.44 | vca | isensi: if you're concerned about cpu usage, man nice |
| 16:09.53 | Gathond | isensi: put the processes at low priority, man nice or man renice |
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| 16:10.07 | isensi | thanks |
| 16:10.13 | antgel | isensi: why don't you suck it and see and if you have a problem, let us know? |
| 16:10.42 | Mr_Morden | can anyone tell me how to get grub started in graphical mode? |
| 16:10.43 | Akbar | honschu.. place them in ~/.fonts |
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| 16:10.58 | honschu | Akbar: systemwide? |
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| 16:12.19 | Akbar | don't know the path for that |
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| 16:13.08 | isensi | antgel why dont you jump out of the window and call me just before you hit the floor ? |
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| 16:13.50 | Akbar | /usr/share/fonts/? |
| 16:14.14 | t_j_d | I'm running SA-Exim + ClamAV on Exim4. Any opinions on packages/webmin modules to manage quarantined (virus)/ SATempReject-ed / SAPermReject-ed messages? |
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| 16:14.31 | antgel | isensi: is there any need to be personally abusive just because you asked a meaningless question with no quantifiable answer? |
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| 16:15.55 | isensi | antgel to be precise: no, but you are not reflecting the situation very well |
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| 16:16.16 | antgel | isensi: i'm glad you agree there is no reason to be personally abusive |
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| 16:16.41 | Manoj_ | antgel, ummm |
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| 16:17.04 | Manoj_ | isensi, but, really, the only real answer to your question is: depends |
| 16:17.24 | sussudio | Manoj_: they're called "Poise" now. |
| 16:17.27 | t_j_d | and for that reason the following was a reasonable answer |
| 16:17.28 | t_j_d | <antgel> isensi: why don't you suck it and see and if you have a problem, let us know? |
| 16:17.29 | Azar | I wonder how much different is the new Sarge installer as opposed to the old Woody way of installing...it has nicer screens? less manual configuration? |
| 16:17.35 | t_j_d | er suggestion |
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| 16:18.11 | Manoj_ | isensi, depednds on how much resources your scripts consume, whether you are uting a real time kernel, what your requirements for response timesa are, what CPU poer you have at hand, and what non-peak and peak cpu loads can get to |
| 16:18.11 | petemc | Azar: its a fair bit easier for the uninitiated to use |
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| 16:18.33 | t_j_d | as far as I remember its not much different :) |
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| 16:18.42 | Manoj_ | t_j_d, I beg to differ |
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| 16:19.20 | AciD | anybody knows how to use apt-cacher ? the official website is down, and the readme lack of information |
| 16:19.22 | t_j_d | manoj - indeed I just realised I've not gone through the installer |
| 16:19.26 | t_j_d | just upgrades ¦] |
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| 16:19.59 | t_j_d | acid - what do you want to do? |
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| 16:20.05 | Azar | petemc, thanks I think I found a demo online |
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| 16:20.11 | Manoj_ | AciD, man 1 apt-cacher? |
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| 16:20.28 | isensi | ok well the point is that i assume all tasks and cpu-usage is handled by the kernel perfectly well, but i cannot take the risk on a webserver so therefor i asked if it might cause an issue |
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| 16:21.18 | Manoj_ | isensi, the kernel does schedule jobs, yes. But you can run out of memory, and the response time could slow down to causing time outs for your clients |
| 16:21.20 | vca | isensi: if you're running 2.6, the process scheduler should give a pretty fair priority to other tasks. |
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| 16:22.09 | Manoj_ | isensi, no matter what algorithm the kernel uses, I can take a program and make it suck enough resources to force the scheduler to its knees. thus, depends: |
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| 16:22.46 | Manoj_ | isensi, it gets worse if your text parser thingy renices itself higher |
| 16:22.51 | Gathond | Manoj_: one could use ulimit to ensure that wont happen, but that of cause would be part of the depends |
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| 16:23.09 | isensi | Manoj_ ok that s clear |
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| 16:23.19 | Manoj_ | Gathond, right. thus, depends: |
| 16:23.27 | vca | truth, there's always some risk of a process DoSing the box if no steps are taken to limit resource usage |
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| 16:23.49 | Manoj_ | Gathond, the initial framing of the scenario failed to provide adequate details, thus antgel's somewhat acerbic response |
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| 16:27.02 | cge | I am having a strange mouse problem where I can click on some things, but not other things, and the things I can click on seem to change every once in a while. Has anyone heard of a problem like this? |
| 16:27.22 | V12 | how do i restart the apache webserver? what is the command ? |
| 16:27.32 | Manoj_ | cge, no, but there is not enough detail. what kind of things? |
| 16:27.37 | Gathond | /etc/init.d/apache restart (apache2 for apache2) |
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| 16:27.47 | Manoj_ | V12, /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 16:27.51 | V12 | thank u very much Gathond |
| 16:27.59 | V12 | thanks u manoj! |
| 16:28.05 | AciD | thx |
| 16:28.21 | Manoj_ | V12, you can also try apache-ctl restart, but that may not refresh the pid file in /var/run |
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| 16:28.39 | cge | Manoj_: Well, for example, I am in GNOME right now, and nothing in xchat is responsive, while the launcher I have on the panel for the terminal is. Interestingly, the other launchers aren't. |
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| 16:28.50 | cge | Manoj_: It also happens in KDE. |
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| 16:29.14 | Manoj_ | cge, so you can't iconify xchat? |
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| 16:29.35 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 16:29.49 | Manoj_ | cge, Hmm. can you run top in an xterm to see what kind of load you have, and whether xchat is comsuming gobs of cpu? |
| 16:29.49 | cge | Manoj_: I can't iconify it, select any text in it, or click on anything in the window. |
| 16:29.49 | V12 | Gathond, i did that and this happened....star:/etc/init.d# apache restart |
| 16:29.49 | V12 | [Wed Sep 21 17:28:07 2005] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
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| 16:29.54 | amorphix | my mouse has mysteriously stopped workin, anyone any suggestions? |
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| 16:30.10 | Gathond | V12: so? there is a configuration error somewhere |
| 16:30.11 | Manoj_ | cge, sounds like a run away process or memory usage on the system. |
| 16:30.11 | antgel | amorphix: change the batteries |
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| 16:30.23 | amorphix | antgel: it doesnt require batteries |
| 16:30.29 | V12 | hmm, u think i shud edit the httpd.conf |
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| 16:30.34 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 16:30.36 | Manoj_ | V12, something is messed up in your apache config |
| 16:30.36 | Gathond | V12: it wont start while that is the case (at least not errors involving missing virtualhosts) |
| 16:30.44 | cge | Manokj_: No, system load and memory is fine. |
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| 16:31.17 | Manoj_ | cge, so top chows nothing about xchat soing anything unusual. vewwy vewwy weird |
| 16:31.38 | amorphix | hi |
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| 16:31.44 | amorphix | my mouse doesnt work anymore |
| 16:31.48 | cge | Manoj_: It isn't just xchat that isn't working - everything on the panel except the terminal launcher is broken. |
| 16:31.51 | amorphix | ive tried changing it with a new one |
| 16:31.55 | amorphix | anyone? |
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| 16:32.04 | cge | amorphix: What is wrong? |
| 16:32.07 | nullvoid | amorphix: feed your mouse then |
| 16:32.12 | amorphix | cge: mouse pointer doesnt move |
| 16:32.31 | Manoj_ | cge, Umm. I have no idea, then |
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| 16:32.40 | t_j_d | what's happened since it worked? |
| 16:32.45 | nullvoid | amorphix: usb or serial |
| 16:32.48 | cge | Manoj_: Thanks anyway. |
| 16:32.49 | t_j_d | changed anything? |
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| 16:33.09 | amorphix | nothing at all, it locked up a few times and i unplugged it and plugged it back which seemed to fix it |
| 16:33.11 | Manoj_ | cge, the weird thing is it is both kde and gnome |
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| 16:33.27 | drasko | hi all. How to make gvim reckognize utf8 locale fonts? |
| 16:33.36 | amorphix | although, my touchpad and keyboard pointer never used to work when mouse was plugged in, now they are working |
| 16:33.42 | amorphix | but the mouse is not |
| 16:33.53 | cge | Manoj_: Yes, especially since it seems to me to be a problem with callbacks in the toolkit. I will try creating a new user and seeing if it is a config problem. |
| 16:33.56 | t_j_d | use the touchpad ¦] |
| 16:34.04 | KristyX | hi! i got a bunch of mirrors that i would like to add to sources.list but i'm not sure what the format is.. all i know is that the mirror's ftp is: ftp.jp.debian.org.. anyone how what i'm supposed add after that line? |
| 16:34.05 | amorphix | i dont want to use the touchpad |
| 16:34.11 | amorphix | i want to use the mouse |
| 16:34.18 | stew | amorphix: what changed? did you just upgrade kenrels/xserver? |
| 16:34.34 | stew | amorphix: what kenrel/xserver are you currently using? |
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| 16:34.55 | amorphix | stew: nothing at all, its baffling..i havent updated or changed software, however my mouse did go crazy a few times, mouse pointer moving randomly and things starting and closing etc |
| 16:35.00 | amorphix | so maybe it got disabled somehow? |
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| 16:35.22 | thingfish | KristyX: pattern it after: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 16:35.26 | antgel | KristyX: man sources.list |
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| 16:35.35 | amorphix | stew: I'm running 2.6.11 |
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| 16:35.42 | t_j_d | usb/ps2? |
| 16:35.43 | amorphix | kde 3.3 |
| 16:35.46 | amorphix | ps2 |
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| 16:35.59 | KristyX | ahh |
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| 16:36.09 | KristyX | thanks a bunch thingfish & antgel :) |
| 16:36.11 | nullvoid | amorphix: are you using gnome or kde? |
| 16:36.17 | amorphix | kde |
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| 16:36.33 | thingfish | KristyX: you'll need a deb-src line too. |
| 16:36.37 | elmago_ | hi guys is someone familiar with wineX? |
| 16:36.43 | elmago_ | i need some help |
| 16:36.51 | antgel | !tell elmago_ about ask |
| 16:36.52 | hyper | anyone can help me to get a higher resolution with KDE? |
| 16:37.13 | amorphix | i dont understand it |
| 16:37.27 | t_j_d | hyper: try ctrl alt + |
| 16:37.36 | elmago_ | i just followed this instruction |
| 16:37.37 | elmago_ | http://www.holarse.de/?content=/emulationen/winex/compilehowto |
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| 16:37.53 | stew | amorphix: what device do you ave X pointed at? /dev/psaux? /dev/input/mice? |
| 16:37.57 | hyper | @t_j_d from the kde config menu I only get 800x600 and lower to chose from |
| 16:38.02 | t_j_d | you say you tried another mouse - was that PS2 as well? |
| 16:38.07 | nullvoid | amorphix: /etc/init.d/gpm restart |
| 16:38.09 | stew | !drxx hyper |
| 16:38.10 | dpkg | hyper: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:38.12 | amorphix | stew i will check |
| 16:38.29 | elmago_ | now i have the error witch is meantioned in troubleshooting |
| 16:38.33 | amorphix | ive restarted X and system many times |
| 16:38.35 | amorphix | no change |
| 16:38.36 | ke6isf | Is there another update for Firefox in Sarge planned in light of today's Firefox release? |
| 16:38.53 | elmago_ | you have to install MESA-devel |
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| 16:39.03 | elmago_ | i dont now where i can get them |
| 16:39.28 | t_j_d | amorphix - replacement mouse also PS2? |
| 16:39.31 | drac | elmago_: apt-cache search mesa | grep dev |
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| 16:39.39 | madclicker | i have a strange issue, i installed a package, when I start the program through /etc/init.d/progname it works fine but if i addoptions to the program eihter in /etc/default or /etc/init.d/progname it crashes. When running the programe from a shell prompt with same options it works like a charm. |
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| 16:39.59 | elmago_ | thx |
| 16:40.05 | amorphix | t_j_d: yes, its made by errr Microsoft |
| 16:40.10 | kurtak | Hello - I use a thinkpad with the ati 7500 chipset, and I'm curious if my system uses the normal framebuffer device or something else, because i see no "fb" in my /dev/ dir |
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| 16:40.42 | kurtak | and i don't know what to look up to get more information about what my system is using for such a buffer |
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| 16:40.56 | elmago_ | ok which should i choose |
| 16:40.58 | amorphix | stew: "Configured Mouse" "CorePointer", and Wacom pad are the only pointer devices in ServerLayout |
| 16:40.58 | aliumalik | anyone know a rep for kde 3.5 beta? |
| 16:41.01 | t_j_d | personally I'd try a copy of knoppix or something to see if it's not the PS2 port |
| 16:41.03 | KristyX | thanks thingfish.. it worked :) |
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| 16:41.19 | antgel | KristyX: new to debian? |
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| 16:41.28 | amorphix | do you know what, my screen is darker.. it feels like my system is no longer loading my default config for X |
| 16:41.31 | vca | kurtak: it may be using the X "ati" driver -- read /var/log/XFree86.log (or XOrg.log) depending on your xserver to see which driver X is using |
| 16:41.32 | amorphix | strange |
| 16:41.36 | thingfish | KristyX: did you add a deb-src line as well? |
| 16:41.44 | vca | kurtak: or do you speak of console framebuffer? |
| 16:41.45 | drac | elmago_: xlibmesa-gl-dev would be a start |
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| 16:42.29 | kurtak | vca: i don't exactly know- i'm a bit confused as to what is exactly meant by "framebuffer". Is this a buffer only used in the console mode? |
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| 16:42.40 | elmago_ | seems as if i already have it installed |
| 16:42.53 | amorphix | t_j_d: i fired up XCFE earlier to try that but it didnt work there either |
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| 16:43.07 | kurtak | vca: "framebuffer" and a video driver are totally different, right? |
| 16:43.12 | t_j_d | do you have USB ports? |
| 16:43.17 | amorphix | i have 1 |
| 16:43.29 | vca | kurtak: no, not necessarily. X can run in native or framebuffer mode |
| 16:43.37 | useruser | in X, sometimes an app screws up and doesn't release the mouse/keyboard capture when dragging. is there a magic keystroke to release the capture? |
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| 16:43.43 | bashman | http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archives/ |
| 16:43.47 | t_j_d | sounds like ps2 port is nackered :(... it happens |
| 16:43.52 | amorphix | omg |
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| 16:43.56 | amorphix | this is my laptop! |
| 16:44.02 | amorphix | wtf am i gonna do |
| 16:44.09 | amorphix | i cant work without a mouse |
| 16:44.12 | t_j_d | like I said - touchpad ¦] |
| 16:44.14 | t_j_d | bah get used to it |
| 16:44.20 | kurtak | vca: so does running in native mode mean i'm using video drivers specific to my video card? |
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| 16:44.21 | amorphix | i cant, i have RSI |
| 16:44.21 | t_j_d | mine gets thrashed |
| 16:44.21 | nullvoid | amorphix: this is ps2 or usb? |
| 16:44.23 | amorphix | i need to use mouse |
| 16:44.29 | amorphix | ps2 |
| 16:44.34 | vca | kurtak: yup, you got it. as opposed to the generic framebuffer mode |
| 16:44.48 | isensi | amorphix on both arms ? |
| 16:44.49 | rossi | anyone knows a good program for encoding dvd tp mpeg on one cd? |
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| 16:44.55 | t_j_d | well you could get a usb -> PS2 device |
| 16:45.04 | ircops | rossi: that would be extremely low quality |
| 16:45.04 | t_j_d | and a usb hub if you need that port spare |
| 16:45.08 | amorphix | im right handed, i could use a mouse pointer on left hand |
| 16:45.15 | browny | is libcrypto not compiled against a x86_64 machine? |
| 16:45.16 | rossi | doesn't matter |
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| 16:45.30 | kurtak | vca: okay- then what am i using in a normal console, say if i go to another tty with alt+f2, the framebuffer? |
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| 16:45.34 | amorphix | what causes ps2 port to die |
| 16:45.38 | rossi | enough for me 5 meters away of a tv |
| 16:45.43 | elmago_ | sorry for posting but i still get this error when i compile wineX |
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| 16:45.45 | elmago_ | make[2]: *** [oaidl_p.o] Fehler 1 |
| 16:45.45 | elmago_ | make[2]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/elmago/winex/dlls/oleaut32« |
| 16:45.45 | elmago_ | make[1]: *** [oleaut32/liboleaut32.so] Fehler 2 |
| 16:45.45 | elmago_ | make[1]: Verlasse Verzeichnis »/home/elmago/winex/dlls« |
| 16:45.45 | elmago_ | make: *** [dlls] Fehler 2 |
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| 16:45.57 | flexy | I'm using bash, when I ssh to a box, what files are executed from my homedir? .bashrc? I'm trying to get /home/flexy/bin added to my path... and, if I then su to root, what . files are executed, same kind of setting of environment issue... |
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| 16:46.01 | vca | kurtak: could be either - the kernel has two console modes: standard text and VESA framebuffer consoles |
| 16:46.08 | amorphix | if i plug a kb into my ps2, that would be a good test to see if its broke? |
| 16:46.16 | caphuso | flexy: man bash, search for INVOCATIOn |
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| 16:46.18 | elmago_ | what can i do |
| 16:46.22 | useruser | where is there a list of the special keystrokes recognized by X servers? |
| 16:46.23 | caphuso | s/n#/N/ |
| 16:46.24 | kurtak | vca: ahh, how can i find out if it's using standard text or vesa? |
| 16:46.41 | rossi | anyone has some good codecs for me |
| 16:46.42 | nullvoid | amorphix: gpm -t ps2 |
| 16:46.47 | amorphix | ok |
| 16:46.51 | rossi | I have no internet at home |
| 16:46.53 | elmago_ | the how to says i have to install mesa-dev but i think, i already have all mesa pakages |
| 16:46.54 | vca | kurtak: if you look at your lilo.conf or grub's menu.lst there's a section for "vga" |
| 16:46.54 | drac | elmago_: That was a) in wrong language b) should be asked in #wine, #winex, #cedega or something c) Only top most error counts, those are irrelevant. |
| 16:46.57 | browny | trying to compile a custom openssl source on debian 3.1 but am getting the error: cc1: sorry, unimplemented: 64-bit mode not compiled in |
| 16:46.58 | rossi | so i need to get them now |
| 16:47.07 | kurtak | vca: lemme see... |
| 16:47.08 | browny | is that gcc's problem or libcrypto? |
| 16:47.16 | flexy | caphuso: right |
| 16:47.28 | amorphix | nullvoid: not recognised command |
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| 16:47.44 | browny | this is on a dual Xeon machine |
| 16:48.11 | amorphix | i am screwed? |
| 16:48.33 | flexy | caphuso: so, when I ssh to box, this is a login shell, yes? and when I su to some user, this is a non-login shell? |
| 16:48.34 | nullvoid | amorphix: Alt+F2 and see if you can have mouse working there |
| 16:48.40 | amorphix | ok |
| 16:48.45 | caphuso | flexy: yes and depends |
| 16:49.01 | amorphix | nullvoid: doesnt do anything |
| 16:49.02 | caphuso | su without - is non-login shell, su with - is login shell |
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| 16:49.40 | amorphix | i'm screwed |
| 16:49.50 | nullvoid | ls -l /dev/psaux |
| 16:49.51 | flexy | caphuso: haa, that's the "-" for in su command, I've seen so much :) thanks :) |
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| 16:50.07 | browny | amorphix: how about ctrl-alt-F2 or shift-alt-f2? |
| 16:50.20 | amorphix | nullvoid: device is showing |
| 16:50.27 | gregoria | im having problems with my ubuntu installation and nobody seems to be able to help. I thought maybe sum1 here might help. The problem is that I installed 2 SATA drives this week and now *Ubuntu* wont boot. It gets a kernel panic |
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| 16:50.51 | gregoria | however, if the SATA drives are disabled in BIOS it will work fine then |
| 16:50.54 | nullvoid | amorphix: apt-get install gpm |
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| 16:51.04 | Ronin | gregoria: tried in #ubuntu? |
| 16:51.09 | amorphix | ok |
| 16:51.12 | gregoria | mmmm, no help |
| 16:51.18 | nullvoid | amorphix: apt-get install mdetect |
| 16:51.43 | t_j_d | apt-get install new_laptop |
| 16:51.44 | t_j_d | :) |
| 16:51.47 | gregoria | the main drive is SCSI |
| 16:51.47 | Ronin | not to be rude but its a debian problem so we cant likely help |
| 16:52.00 | amorphix | hey dont fuk around here |
| 16:52.01 | streuner | !they don't know |
| 16:52.01 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 16:52.09 | amorphix | this isnt funny, if my laptop is dead im screwed |
| 16:52.11 | valdyn | gregoria: sata might come before scsi driver so your 'old' sda is now sdc |
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| 16:52.37 | gregoria | oh |
| 16:52.41 | Solaris444 | hello is there anyone around? |
| 16:52.41 | nullvoid | amorphix: did you installed gpm and mdetect? |
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| 16:52.53 | Ronin | Solaris444: no we're closed |
| 16:52.56 | streuner | Solaris444: only 744 idlers ;-) |
| 16:53.00 | Solaris444 | LOL |
| 16:53.01 | amorphix | just downloading now |
| 16:53.13 | Quibus | hi all, can someone explain to me why there's this huge peak in RC bugs at the end of July? |
| 16:53.18 | gregoria | well it gets to the stage of uncompressing linux and the actual error is /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 16:53.18 | gregoria | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 16:53.19 | t_j_d | amorphix: sorry |
| 16:53.36 | Solaris444 | I log into irc at a reasonable time in my country but of course all the americans are asleep or at work when i do... |
| 16:53.39 | antgel | Quibus: summer laziness :P |
| 16:53.39 | gregoria | so surely sda is still the SCSI |
| 16:53.42 | Solaris444 | so often the channel is dead. |
| 16:53.54 | Quibus | antgel: you can't be lazy if you file 600 RC bugs |
| 16:54.17 | antgel | Quibus: laziness in fixing them? |
| 16:54.27 | streuner | Solaris444: only about 50 % of all people in this channel coming from america, just try it now. |
| 16:54.30 | browny | gregoria: what partition is your /dev directory on? looks like your /dev directory is broken |
| 16:54.48 | antgel | browny: no |
| 16:54.55 | Quibus | antgel: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 16:54.55 | Solaris444 | fair enough. thanks. look I am REALLY sorry to do this... but... |
| 16:54.56 | antgel | browny: a file system isn't mounting |
| 16:55.06 | gregoria | its dev/sda1 |
| 16:55.07 | antgel | Quibus: i'd rather not :P |
| 16:55.14 | Solaris444 | Is there some way to get a channel listing for freenode? |
| 16:55.24 | t_j_d | LOL /list |
| 16:55.24 | gregoria | but it will boot again if i disable the SATAs in BIOS |
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| 16:55.33 | Quibus | so, no one knows about this huge peak? |
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| 16:55.45 | Solaris444 | thanks. |
| 16:55.54 | isensi | Quibus statistics show ups and downs right ? |
| 16:55.55 | Solaris444 | I figured the debian guys would be the ones to know. |
| 16:56.02 | isensi | Quibus this is a up |
| 16:56.05 | antgel | Quibus: migration from unstable following the release? |
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| 16:56.23 | Quibus | isensi: this is a most unusual huge up |
| 16:56.35 | valdyn | gregoria: that init process is from your initrd i suppose, still same error as i told you above |
| 16:56.41 | Quibus | antgel: packages with RC bugs don't migrate to testing |
| 16:56.51 | antgel | Quibus: *nod* |
| 16:57.06 | Quibus | antgel: and the peak is also in the green graph |
| 16:57.24 | antgel | Quibus: i'm not a dd, just guessing |
| 16:57.25 | vca | gregoria: it's pretty common that drive IDs get changed around and drive the kernel nuts. The BIOS has a completely different view of what's really "drive 0" than the kernel does. |
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| 16:58.14 | valdyn | vca: in this case its a question of which driver gets loaded first |
| 16:58.19 | vca | yup |
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| 16:58.39 | gregoria | so how can I go about setting thsi up correctly |
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| 16:59.00 | valdyn | gregoria: edit the grub line manually once, boot up, fix fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:59.04 | jammy | hi i have a problem with xmms i installed, i cannot play music on it, when i press the play button it hangs. |
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| 16:59.29 | valdyn | gregoria: that should work w/o further steps unless you have an extra /boot partition iirc |
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| 17:00.04 | browny | is the dpkg bot broken? |
| 17:00.08 | gregoria | what changes should I make in grub and fstab |
| 17:00.14 | resiak | dpkg: test |
| 17:00.14 | dpkg | Sorry, resiak, I didn't get your test. |
| 17:00.16 | resiak | :9 |
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| 17:00.25 | valdyn | gregoria: change sda to whatever it is now ( i guess sdc |
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| 17:00.30 | resiak | browny: No, it's not. |
| 17:00.37 | browny | ah, so it wont message back then... |
| 17:00.40 | Quibus | dpkg, are you broken? |
| 17:01.00 | stew | browny: /msg dpkg test |
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| 17:01.15 | stew | browny: if you ask it for a factoid which doesn't exist it will remain silent |
| 17:01.17 | resiak | browny: If dpkg doesn't know the answer, it won't reply. |
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| 17:01.40 | browny | ok. thanks. apparently it didn't know what I was asking about then. |
| 17:01.52 | valdyn | gregoria: same for both, uh and in grub the appropriate line to change this starts with '##kopt' or like that, and run 'update-grub' after editing that line |
| 17:02.22 | valdyn | s/in grub/in /boot/grub/menu.lst/ |
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| 17:02.44 | kurtak | vca: okay, i got a little sidetracked. but i don't see anything about vga or vesa in /boot/grub/menu.lst. would it be somewhere else? |
| 17:03.12 | vca | kurtak: it's possible your system is detecting it and running with it. i'm not sure how to check what video mode it's using while running. |
| 17:03.39 | vca | kurtak: dmesg *might* mention what console mode it's currently using at boot |
| 17:03.45 | gregoria | valdyn: What does you last post mean? |
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| 17:04.54 | kurtak | vca: oh, near the start of dmesg, it says "console: colour VGA+ 80x25" |
| 17:04.57 | valdyn | gregoria: that i mean "in /boot/grub/menu.lst" the appropriate line to change starts with "# kopt", not "in grub" |
| 17:05.00 | kurtak | so i guess that says it |
| 17:05.19 | kurtak | vca: does vesa have to be compiled into the kernel to use it? |
| 17:05.24 | vca | yes |
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| 17:06.06 | laedri | i just installed debian and i want to use sshd, what must i do for configuration and starting sshd? |
| 17:06.13 | vca | kurtak: there's a kernel switch for "framebuffer console" which can be adjusted by passing the 'vga=' option to the kernel at boot |
| 17:06.53 | valdyn | gregoria: umm, there's another solution too, replug the drives on your sata interfaces so the one supposed to be sda is sda |
| 17:07.00 | gregoria | ok thats working but its still talking about cache data failing and writing through. What does this mean |
| 17:07.03 | kurtak | I have also a question about the speed debian detects my system at. at boot, it says, "detected 598.159 MHz processor", though my cpu is 1.8GHz . So is this frequency that debian detects a different kind of freq, like bus speed or something?? |
| 17:07.07 | vca | laedri: apt-get install ssh, edit /etc/sshd_config and /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 17:07.21 | laedri | i did them but does not start |
| 17:07.51 | valdyn | kurtak: your bios is somehow throtting cpu speed? |
| 17:07.53 | stew | kurtak: what do you see for cpu mhz in "cat /proc/cpuinfo"? |
| 17:07.55 | kurtak | vca: thanks so much. so if i use this flag, does that mean i use the framebuffer only in console mode, and then it switches over to the native drivers when X starts? |
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| 17:07.59 | laedri | when sshd start, it acts like starting but ps aux does not list sshd |
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| 17:08.23 | vca | kurtak: X will use native drivers as long as the xorg.conf or XF86Config has "ati" in the driver section |
| 17:08.39 | kurtak | stew: same thing, "cpu MHz: 598.159" |
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| 17:09.08 | stew | kurtak: what about model name? |
| 17:09.08 | kurtak | vca: ahh okay. thanks so much! i'm starting to understand framebuffer a little more now :) |
| 17:09.10 | Solaris444 | I'm sorry to do this again guys, but does anyone know anywhere I can go to get help with an ipod? I am really stuck here. I know this is not the place to ask for that help so if anyone can tell me where to ask I will get out of the way. :-( |
| 17:09.20 | vca | laedri: try running # sshd -Def |
| 17:09.34 | stew | kurtak: mine reports 598.183 for my 1.7 ghz, but that is becuase i'm running cpufreqd do slow the cpu clock to save power |
| 17:09.54 | gregoria | how can I view the SATA disks now from Linux? fdisk -l still only shows the SCSI. Also, the SATAs are not formatted |
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| 17:10.05 | kurtak | stew: "model name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1500MHz" ... yes, it's supposed to be 1.5GHz, not 1.8 |
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| 17:10.35 | kurtak | stew: ahh, that must be happening for me too, but i don't know why it's like this from the get-go |
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| 17:10.49 | kurtak | stew: i have a thinkpad T40 |
| 17:11.00 | fantomas | Is there a package/packages with utils to extract data from PNG? |
| 17:11.03 | Lorvija | hey guys, whats good stress test to test if memory is okay? someone mentioned a key ring thing some time ago.. what was it? cant remember anymore.. |
| 17:11.08 | stew | kurtak: t42 here. if its overheating the cpu freqeuncy will be scaled as well |
| 17:11.17 | vca | Lorvija: try memtest86 |
| 17:11.42 | stew | kurtak: acpi -V will tell you temperature if you have acpi setup |
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| 17:12.01 | gregoria | i suppose I have to enter it into fstab but is this going to be guesswork. How can i find out the names of my disks? |
| 17:12.01 | Lorvija | vca tried.. with defaults 0 errors.. when i change the address range from bios std > bios all it gives thousand errors per second (: |
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| 17:12.17 | gregoria | also can I add them to fstab unformatted |
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| 17:12.52 | vca | gregoria: check out /proc/ide (or does SATA stuff show up in a different /proc dir?) |
| 17:12.55 | kurtak | stew: "acpi" isn't found, but acpid is. |
| 17:13.01 | lewis | hey there - I am having some trouble installing a Intel Gigabit network card onto my debian sarge box... |
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| 17:13.13 | lewis | I go to modconf, and select e1000, and it says 'installation failed' - any ideas? |
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| 17:13.26 | amorphix | w00000000t my mouse is working again |
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| 17:13.36 | valdyn | lewis: lsmod | grep e1000 |
| 17:13.37 | amorphix | nullvoid: thanx, i owe u my life |
| 17:13.41 | gregoria | vca: er, ive got drivers, hda and ide0 in there |
| 17:13.47 | lewis | ok |
| 17:13.52 | kurtak | stew: must i do something more to get the acpi command to work? |
| 17:14.01 | lewis | I just added 'e1000' to /etc/modules, and rebooted, then will try that |
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| 17:14.03 | kurtak | stew: i have ibm-acpi installed |
| 17:14.04 | lewis | thanks |
| 17:14.05 | stew | kurtak: apt-get install acpid acpi |
| 17:14.22 | jammy | hi i have a problem with xmms i installed, i cannot play music on it, when i press the play button it hangs. |
| 17:14.28 | vca | gregoria: how about /proc/scsi/ (or is there a /proc/sata?) |
| 17:14.32 | jammy | thanks in advance |
| 17:14.37 | kurtak | stew: does acpi conflict with ibm-acpi, or are they something different? |
| 17:14.42 | rigel | why can't i start an mp3 player using cron |
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| 17:15.11 | rigel | i want to start up an mp3 player as an alarm clock |
| 17:15.15 | stew | kurtak: i'm not sure i know what ibm-acpi is, is it a package? |
| 17:15.18 | rigel | but when i set it up as a cron job it never goes off |
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| 17:15.37 | valdyn | rigel: you are trying to start an X mp3player via cron? |
| 17:15.43 | gregoria | nope, no /proc/sata , just SCSI and IDE |
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| 17:15.53 | rigel | valdyn: it doesnt work with xmms or mp3blaster |
| 17:15.54 | lewis | hmm - I don't see e1000 in lsmod, or lspci - what do you reckon? |
| 17:15.54 | sassi | hmm i cant do apt-get install unrar now i downloaded the .deb file how should i install it ? "noob" |
| 17:16.06 | vca | gregoria: look in /proc/scsi -- the SATA subsystem may ride on top of SCSI |
| 17:16.07 | rigel | and mp3blaster, as you may know, is ncurses-based |
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| 17:16.29 | gregoria | whats ata_piix |
| 17:16.34 | kurtak | stew: yes- apt-cache's description is "ibm thinkpad acpi extras driver" i think it's extended acpi stuff specific for the thinkpad buttons |
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| 17:16.50 | vca | gregoria: um, wait a sec. didn't you say you had to disable the sata disks to get the box to boot? |
| 17:16.56 | jammy | iam running ubuntu, do i have to configure xmms before it can play music? |
| 17:16.59 | kurtak | stew: okay, so acpi -V gives me a temp. of 38C |
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| 17:17.10 | gregoria | yes but ive fixed that now and the drives are now enable |
| 17:17.15 | gregoria | *enabled |
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| 17:17.31 | stew | kurtak: thats quite cool, so that's not the problem |
| 17:17.42 | stew | kurtak: min's currently at 54c |
| 17:17.45 | kurtak | stew: cool.. ;) |
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| 17:17.54 | lewis | hmm - why wouldn't the Intel Gigabit card show up in lspci? |
| 17:17.57 | kurtak | stew: i'm not doing anything heavy on this yet |
| 17:18.00 | vca | jammy: check xmms's output plugins in the preferences. also xmms doesn't come with an mp3 codec installed by default under ubuntu |
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| 17:18.16 | vca | lewis: if it's not in your lspci that might have something to do with the modprobe failing ;) |
| 17:18.19 | sassi | hmm i cant do apt-get install unrar now i downloaded the .deb file how should i install it ? "noob" |
| 17:18.23 | kurtak | stew: plus my fan is on A LOT. does your fan turn off for long periods of time, or does it run almost all the time? |
| 17:18.32 | lewis | ok - and why is the modprobe failing? |
| 17:18.47 | vca | lewis: um, because the machine doesn't see the card? |
| 17:18.56 | stew | kurtak: in order to get the speedstepping working, i had to modprobe speedstep-centrino ; and apt-get install cpufreqd. i don't think i did anything else |
| 17:19.14 | stew | kurtak: i don't really notice about the fan to be honest |
| 17:19.29 | vca | lewis: a device should show up in lspci regardless of whether or not the driver's loaded. so if it's not in lspci, that means the PCI bus doesn't see it. |
| 17:19.38 | lewis | vca: ah ok |
| 17:19.53 | valdyn | rigel: check the mails you are getting from cron for the errors , xmms though sure wont run since its not able to display anywhere. |
| 17:20.00 | rigel | mails? |
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| 17:20.12 | rigel | where would i find those? |
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| 17:20.23 | valdyn | rigel: at wherever you configured cron to send them |
| 17:20.30 | rigel | uh. |
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| 17:20.38 | lewis | hmm - I have it connected on a 1U 32-bit PCI riser card... the card supports 32-bit and 64-bit PCI as far as I was aware... |
| 17:20.42 | rigel | is there a default? |
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| 17:21.00 | kurtak | stew: my cpu's probably much cooler b/c it's only running at half the speed! |
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| 17:22.23 | cdrrrr | Hey guys, quick question, i plugged an ide dvd burner throught usb... so debian sees it but i can't find it's /dev/xxx in dmesg... I have usb-storage module loaded... Any idea please ? |
| 17:22.23 | valdyn | rigel: root i guess |
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| 17:22.31 | sassi | hmm i cant do apt-get install unrar now i downloaded the .deb file how should i install it ? "noob" |
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| 17:22.38 | kurtak | stew: thanks!! i did modprobe ... and it stepped it back up |
| 17:22.44 | lakcaj | sassi, dpkg -i |
| 17:23.00 | lakcaj | sassi, wait |
| 17:23.11 | sassi | okey |
| 17:23.14 | lewis | could someone point me in the right direction as to why the PCI bus can't see a brand new Intel Gigabit card? |
| 17:23.21 | rigel | valdyn: i'm using ubuntu. heh. |
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| 17:23.25 | rigel | no root account |
| 17:23.27 | stew | kurtak: cool, if you have cpufreqd installed, it will keep you at 1.5ghz on ac, and it will switch you between .5 1 and 1.5 on batter according to cpu load |
| 17:23.28 | kurtak | stew: so, next i just need to find out how to step it down when i'm battery, and step it back up if i'm plugged in. okay, off to more reading. thanks again!! |
| 17:23.34 | valdyn | rigel: #ubuntu |
| 17:23.47 | kurtak | stew: okay, so it does that automatically. |
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| 17:24.11 | stew | kurtak: yeah. "echo speedstep-centrino >> /etc/modules" so that it will be loaded automatically at boot |
| 17:24.20 | lakcaj | sassi, can you install rar? I think rar will extract a .rar, with -e or something. |
| 17:24.45 | kurtak | stew: ahh, nice- you read my mind! |
| 17:24.59 | stew | :) |
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| 17:25.07 | lakcaj | sassi, also, if you want unrar, you have to enable non-free in your sources.list file. |
| 17:25.34 | felix975 | <--- Is trying to install the 2-Disc DVD install of Sarge (with a dual boot option) and was wondering if anyone had some ideas on how many extra partitions I should create and how big they should be? |
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| 17:26.04 | browny | can anyone suggest a channel for compiling, x86_64 based systems, or openssl? (there is no official #openssl) |
| 17:26.08 | stew | !grecatsnack |
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| 17:26.14 | Lorvija | if i download full kernel source, do menuconfig and exit immediately saving the settings should the "make" command be succsefull and if it fails can it be the lack of configuration or can it be due faulty hw? |
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| 17:26.28 | greycat | Lorvija: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:26.35 | jjazz | I just installed apache2. I can see it from localhost, but not from other boxes on the lan. I looked in the apache2.conf, but I don't see the option for letting people not on my box in. Anybody have a hint for me as to which config option I should be looking for? |
| 17:26.57 | Lorvija | greycat im doing that because i need to test my hw.. someone said compiling kernel is good way (: |
| 17:27.00 | jammy | why isnt Mplayer in the apt-get? |
| 17:27.01 | stew | Lorvija: depends. often the "EXPERIMENTAL" kenrel options are left in a non-compiling state |
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| 17:27.10 | greycat | jammy: licensing and/or patent issues. complex. long story. |
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| 17:27.28 | browny | jjazz: "iptables -L -n" may show it's being blocked. |
| 17:27.30 | stew | Lorvija: tried memtest86? |
| 17:27.34 | mxn | Is it possible for a Debian system to read sessions 2+ on multisession DVD+Rs? |
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| 17:27.36 | t_j_d | amorphix - good luck with your mouse |
| 17:27.39 | t_j_d | bye |
| 17:27.41 | kurtak | stew: thanks so much again. one last question if you don't mind. do you sleep-to-ram? and if so, did you have to fix the radeon video card sleeping problem? |
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| 17:27.58 | greycat | Lorvija: if you want to test the hardware by compiling a kernel, make sure it's an *older* kernel known to build correctly, and certainly not a 2.6. |
| 17:27.59 | Lorvija | stew yep.. gave me zillion errors when changed the address range from bios std > bios all.. |
| 17:28.03 | jjazz | browny: no iptables on this box. It's behind two firewalls already. Good thought, though. |
| 17:28.07 | greycat | Lorvija: make sure you're using the right gcc version |
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| 17:28.12 | Lorvija | greycat okay ill do it |
| 17:28.18 | lewis | greycat: I got a new Intel Gigabit network card, as the Realtek one was notoriously poor. However, lspci doesn't show it, and I need advice... |
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| 17:28.37 | lewis | modconf, and selecting e1000 fails too. |
| 17:28.39 | greycat | if lspci doesn't show a PCI device, it's a hardware failure |
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| 17:28.50 | Lorvija | stew do you happen to know whats the difference between those options? |
| 17:29.03 | stew | kurtak: http://vireo.org/tmp/suspend.sh <- that is my suspend script from /etc/acpi/actions |
| 17:29.10 | stew | Lorvija: nope sorry |
| 17:29.13 | lewis | can you plug a 64-bit/32-bit card into a 32-bit slot? |
| 17:29.19 | greycat | should be able |
| 17:29.28 | kurtak | stew: b/c i patched my kernel, rebuilt it, but i still have the same problem. so i was just curious if i also have to use some boot option |
| 17:29.28 | Lorvija | stew okay no prob, thanks for the help anyways (: |
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| 17:29.29 | lewis | hmm - that's all I have done with a 1U riser.... |
| 17:29.37 | Gathond | lewis: if the card is 64/32 bit sure |
| 17:29.39 | stew | jjazz: the game last night was excellent. being in those bleacher seats was way better than the other games i had been to |
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| 17:29.48 | Gathond | lewis: there might exist 64 bit only cards though |
| 17:29.53 | stew | jjazz: i'm glad that last minute my wife and i decided to wear nyy hats |
| 17:29.57 | kurtak | stew: and from the thinkwiki page, it says this: If you think that your computer would profit from the patch as well, you can force it by including the module parameter radeon_force_sleep=1. |
| 17:29.58 | jjazz | stew: Nobody hassled you, I hope. :) |
| 17:30.04 | lewis | ( http://www.intel.com/cd/network/connectivity/emea/eng/solutions/virtualisation/server/114522.htm ) |
| 17:30.12 | jjazz | stew: Yeah, protective coloring is useful in that crowd. |
| 17:30.13 | stew | jjazz: hell no, we were hi fiving people like the locals :) |
| 17:30.22 | jjazz | stew: Awesome! |
| 17:30.23 | samuel | sup all |
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| 17:30.48 | stew | kurtak: i didn't patch my kernel, the VBESTATE stuff in there made it work just fine |
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| 17:31.28 | samuel | anyone know what log may contain the very early boot messages? i wanna know why my swap partition is not mounted |
| 17:31.34 | Thanatermesis | OT: any person knows www.paypalsucks.com ? "paypal" are bad to use ? |
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| 17:31.47 | kurtak | stew: but i think a lot of people don't have to do any boot options, and i'm not sure when it's necessary. i can only gather, if the patch is conditional on the models that are listed in the patch, however, i put my model in the patch, so it's definitely in there. i'll check out your script then. interesting, b/c everyone on the thinkpad mailing list says you *have* to use the kernel patch |
| 17:32.02 | asg | samuel: /var/log/dmesg or /var/log/boot (if you run bootlogd) |
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| 17:32.23 | samuel | asg, thanks |
| 17:32.31 | greycat | see also /msg dpkg bootlogd |
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| 17:32.39 | stew | kurtak: i'm using a stock 2.6.11-1 not at all patched. it works fine with that suspend script. |
| 17:32.45 | ke6isf | Is there another update for Firefox in Sarge planned in light of today's Firefox release? |
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| 17:32.55 | greycat | ke6isf: does it fix a security hole? |
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| 17:33.03 | ke6isf | greycat: I think so. |
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| 17:33.08 | greycat | then there may be. |
| 17:33.22 | kurtak | stew: and your video card has the ati 7500 chipset? |
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| 17:33.46 | ke6isf | greycat: First one listed on slashdot was something about an int'l domain name buffer overflow, so that sounds close enough. |
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| 17:34.00 | stew | kurtak: oh, i'm sorry, i wasn't paying attention, no i've got ATI Technologies Inc RV350 |
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| 17:34.19 | kurtak | stew: ok |
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| 17:34.22 | greycat | ke6isf: I'm reading mozilla.org directly. |
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| 17:34.30 | greycat | * Fix to prevent URLs passed from external programs from being parsed by the shell (Linux only) |
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| 17:34.34 | greycat | I'd say that qualifie.s |
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| 17:35.35 | kurtak | stew: alright, i'll try the boot option then |
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| 17:37.17 | samuel | thats rather odd "Unable to find swap-space signature" but why did this happen if i didnt reinstall or anything like that? could the HD be bad? |
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| 17:37.26 | greycat | man mkswap |
| 17:37.35 | samuel | it was working fine yesterday |
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| 17:37.41 | greycat | maybe someone wrote random data to that partition |
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| 17:37.48 | ma3x | how can I 'cat' all 100 files in one folder, and grep for "word" / |
| 17:37.57 | greycat | grep word * |
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| 17:38.00 | samuel | greycat, thanks, i already did... just curious as to why it happened |
| 17:38.12 | ma3x | greycat, does it work recursively? |
| 17:38.17 | greycat | grep -r word * |
| 17:38.21 | asg | samuel: did you do an upgrade? |
| 17:38.22 | greycat | or better, grep -r word . |
| 17:38.30 | ma3x | heh, that seems too simple to me |
| 17:38.32 | ma3x | let me try |
| 17:38.58 | samuel | asg, no, nothing at all |
| 17:39.04 | greycat | I can give you a more complicated one. |
| 17:39.06 | asg | samuel: oh, okay. |
| 17:39.06 | samuel | funny... |
| 17:39.11 | samuel | oh well |
| 17:39.25 | CosmoDad | what affects the version number in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h when using make-kpkg: append-to-version? |
| 17:39.41 | zuralin | yes |
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| 17:39.53 | ma3x | greycat, what's the more complicated one? |
| 17:40.03 | greycat | find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep word /dev/null |
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| 17:40.46 | ma3x | aight thanks! |
| 17:40.52 | CosmoDad | zuralin: ok what about this: I compile another kernel using append-to-version but it fails to work, switching back to old one. Later try to kompile a kernel module but this also fails since the running kernel doesn't match the version of the sources anymore |
| 17:40.59 | CosmoDad | zuralin: any easy way to fix? |
| 17:40.59 | ma3x | that's some more complicated, really |
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| 17:41.04 | greycat | grep -r is a very useful shortcut :) |
| 17:41.08 | ma3x | inded |
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| 17:41.46 | zuralin | cosmodad, whats the line you are using to compile the kernel? |
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| 17:42.46 | CosmoDad | zuralin: make-kpkg --append-to-version "foo" --revision "bar" kernel-image |
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| 17:43.05 | ma3x | how can i remove all 30 directories with ftp or lftp? |
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| 17:43.28 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, did you remember to do a make-kpkg clean before? |
| 17:43.36 | ma3x | i never found a way to do that |
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| 17:43.52 | error403_ | what would people recommend as a good pop3 mail server to run (to co-operate with exim4) |
| 17:43.53 | error403_ | ? |
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| 17:44.03 | greycat | qpopper is OK |
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| 17:44.15 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: actually it wasn't me but a friend of mine, but what would that have changed? |
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| 17:44.44 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: I guess he did, otherwise the version.h entry couldn't differ from uname -r |
| 17:44.55 | zuralin | CosmoDad, i wouldn't both with --revision, but i think you need to have something like .foo rather than foo |
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| 17:44.58 | Manoj_ | it probably would have made things work if you had compiled a kernel, upgraded or made changes (like add --add-to-version) and tried compiling again |
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| 17:45.19 | error403_ | greycat, only OK ? |
| 17:45.21 | mernil | any italians here.. some bitch says you should cook pasta with olive oil .. i think not! and i'm right |
| 17:45.25 | zuralin | s/both/bother |
| 17:45.28 | ma3x | greycat, ftp must die |
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| 17:45.44 | greycat | ma3x: yes. |
| 17:45.47 | ma3x | but anyway you know how to remove many folders in one directory? |
| 17:45.49 | zuralin | mernil, in italy they cook everything olive oil iirc |
| 17:45.51 | greycat | error403_: I dislike mbox format. |
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| 17:45.56 | zuralin | everything with |
| 17:45.59 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, the /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h is created by kernel build systems. make-kpkg --appen-to-revision merely sets EXTRA_VERSION |
| 17:46.02 | greycat | ma3x: ssh in and use rm -rf |
| 17:46.04 | nvz | mernil: yeah thats about it |
| 17:46.06 | Liroy | Does anyone know a good package (Sarge Packages) which i can apt-get to create a Virtual Dedicated Server? |
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| 17:46.26 | mernil | zuralin: yeah.. but you don't add oliveoil in the pasta water! |
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| 17:46.33 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, what exactly was the error message? |
| 17:46.44 | nvz | mernil: why not? keeps it from sticking |
| 17:46.52 | ma3x | greycat, its ftp server, no ssh unfortunately |
| 17:46.54 | stew | mernil: adding olive oil to the pasta water will make your pasta water have olive oit at the top of it, it will do nothing for the pasta itself |
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| 17:47.00 | mernil | nvz: amateur :P |
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| 17:47.08 | laedri | how can i update debian with one command |
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| 17:47.09 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: so let's say I have untouched debian kernel sources. If I do a make-kpkg with --append-to-version, will UTS_VERSION in version.h not differ? |
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| 17:47.25 | streuner | laedri: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:47.39 | sts | hello folks can anyone help me with this error i keep getting under debian/sarge when i try to load phpmyadmin: usr/sbin/apache2: relocation error: /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so: undefined symbol: php_sprintf? |
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| 17:47.48 | Seb | are there problems with marillat's repository these days ? I can't seem to access some files, namely the Packages.gz... |
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| 17:48.03 | ma3x | is there a nice pdf viewer? I have kpdf but not happy with it |
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| 17:48.08 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, differ from what? |
| 17:48.08 | greycat | when in doubt, fire up lynx and go find out. |
| 17:48.22 | mernil | if you add oil to it you don't .. yeah yeah.. maybe i shold write a howto-cook-pasta .. lamers ;) |
| 17:48.59 | greycat | cook it however you want. |
| 17:49.03 | Gokee2 | pasta cooking in #debian? |
| 17:49.07 | greycat | it's like programming. TIMTOWTDI. |
| 17:49.11 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: will the version.h UTS_VERSION entry before compilation not differ from version.h UTS_VERSION after compiation |
| 17:49.15 | ircops | "Now, if the pasta is long and thin like spaghetti or vermicelli, throw one strand against the wall to test stickiness." |
| 17:49.18 | error403_ | Gokee2, linux users need food too! |
| 17:49.19 | mernil | Gokee2: damn right :) |
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| 17:49.57 | Flendor | What are all those bots doing?? They have Turkish names, makes me embarassed as a Turk >:/ |
| 17:49.57 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, if you had pristine kernel sources, there would not be any version.h before |
| 17:50.30 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: is pristine = vanilla? |
| 17:50.31 | Gokee2 | Well the best way to cook pasta it to add a little salt to the water not oil :) |
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| 17:50.34 | shaym | hello |
| 17:50.36 | greycat | Flendor: they are spambots. and yes, they are launched by a Turk. |
| 17:50.43 | shaym | i just install debian amd64 |
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| 17:50.45 | mernil | Flendor: any tips for some spicy turkish spices? |
| 17:50.50 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: ok let's make an example |
| 17:50.56 | ircops | !cooking pasta |
| 17:50.56 | dpkg | it has been said that cooking pasta is an art that you can find out about at http://italianfood.about.com/cs/pasta/ht/cookingpasta.htm |
| 17:51.00 | shaym | can someone give me his sources.list |
| 17:51.08 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, my mistake. yes, there is a version.h. and yes, version.h is rewritten after you run make-kpkg |
| 17:51.08 | asg | shaym: just run apt-setup |
| 17:51.09 | greycat | shaym: just run apt-setup |
| 17:51.11 | shaym | or just the good line for scurity |
| 17:51.14 | greycat | asg: daaaaamn. |
| 17:51.15 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: compile run 1, using make-kpkg --append-to-version =".foo". Installing and using that kernel |
| 17:51.19 | asg | greycat: :) |
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| 17:51.27 | shaym | security.debian.org is very slow |
| 17:51.32 | greycat | shaym: we know. |
| 17:51.32 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, with you so far |
| 17:51.42 | asg | shaym: it's known issue, check debian-user or bugtraq for the announcement |
| 17:51.42 | Flendor | mernil - Well we got lots of spices; visit a kebab shop and try Adana kebab :) |
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| 17:51.49 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: compile run 2, using make-kpkg --append-to-version = ".bar". Installing and booting that kernel, but returning to kernel "foo" since "bar" fails to work appropriately |
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| 17:51.57 | Flendor | greycat - Damn :/ Well, not all Turks are like that guy BTW :/ |
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| 17:52.09 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: now comes in, say, vmware, which compiles a kernel module |
| 17:52.19 | greycat | Flendor: I figured. |
| 17:52.30 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, err, between compile 1 and compile 2 you need make-kpkg clean |
| 17:52.37 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: question: will vmware succeed to compile that module while running kernel "foo" but the last append-to-version-compiled kernel was "bar" ? |
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| 17:52.50 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: ok let's say I do this |
| 17:52.57 | Manoj_ | I use vmware too ;_) |
| 17:53.04 | greycat | heresy! |
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| 17:53.42 | mernil | Flendor: thans for the tip :) |
| 17:53.53 | mernil | thanx even ;) |
| 17:53.57 | lewis | greycat: the intel gigabit card works in another machine, yet the pci bus can't detect it in the server. oddly enough, a 3com pci card is detected in the server, yet I can only ping the local ip, and no other ones.... |
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| 17:54.05 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, I think the abortive attempt with make-kpkg --append-to-version = ".bar" may have damaged the sources enough that vmware may not find all the .o files it needs |
| 17:54.36 | error403_ | is there a way to get a computer to look at a nameserver running on itself? |
| 17:54.42 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: no wait it wasn't abortive in this scenario. Compiliation finished successfully, let's say I even booted it once but refrain from using it |
| 17:54.49 | ircops | error403_: did you try 127 |
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| 17:54.54 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: instead, I return to using kernel "foo" |
| 17:54.56 | ircops | error403_: did you try 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:54.57 | greycat | error403_: man resolv.conf |
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| 17:55.00 | nvz | error403_: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:55.06 | ircops | error403_: nevermind |
| 17:55.12 | ircops | error403_: stupid question |
| 17:55.16 | ircops | heh |
| 17:55.21 | error403_ | ircops, greycat and nvz, YES! i have... |
| 17:55.24 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: but AFAIK the kernel's sources are still modified to be kernel "bar". Can you follow me? |
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| 17:55.35 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, well, is /lib/modules/blah-foo/build points to a directory in which foo was built, then you are ok with vmware |
| 17:55.39 | ircops | error403_: why do you want to do that? |
| 17:56.01 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, if you have modified the source dir and done other stuff with it, of course vmware fails |
| 17:56.02 | nvz | ircops: wrong question. the right question is what went wrong then. |
| 17:56.10 | ircops | nvz: oh |
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| 17:56.15 | ircops | error403_: what went wrong then? |
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| 17:56.21 | ircops | heh |
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| 17:56.40 | error403_ | ircops, because i have a large network, working quite well with a BIND nameserver, BUT the only computer which cant find a computer by its hostname is the server iteslf... |
| 17:56.51 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, what I doo is cp -lr linux-2.6.13.1 2.6.13.1.foo; cp -lr linux-2.6.13.1 2.6.13.1.bar, and then compile in the symlink tree dirs |
| 17:56.57 | greycat | error403_: man nsswitch.conf |
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| 17:57.15 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, that way, the build symlinks always point to valid build directories |
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| 17:57.22 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: ok so you're doing backups each time you compile... |
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| 17:57.31 | error403_ | greycat, thanks, ill take a lokk at that |
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| 17:57.42 | Kerr | what is the fastest way to find the resolution i'm at? (desktop) |
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| 17:57.49 | greycat | Kerr: xdpyinfo |
| 17:57.51 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, well, link farms, but yes |
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| 17:57.54 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: well it my buddy's case, vmware mocked that the running kernel was "foo" but sources said it was "bar" |
| 17:57.54 | greycat | error403_: also check iptables -L, etc. |
| 17:58.04 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: s/it/in/ |
| 17:58.11 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, and vmware was right |
| 17:58.11 | lewis | greycat: hmm - why does the intel card only work if the onboard realtek card is disabled? |
| 17:58.23 | greycat | lewis: ask the manufacturer |
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| 17:58.44 | lewis | fair enough - well, that is me shut up.... |
| 17:58.44 | asg | error403_: also, verify you didn't bind bind to eth0 only and are trying to resolve on lo |
| 17:58.52 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: yeah I just wondered if one could prevent this apart from doing (link farm) backups |
| 17:58.58 | wikiman | Is there a package MediaWiki in debian, for creating wiki pages? |
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| 17:59.09 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, not that I am aware of, no |
| 17:59.15 | antgel | wikiman: apt-cache search |
| 17:59.28 | wikiman | antgel: i couldnt find it |
| 17:59.30 | asg | wikiman: there was an ITP but it isn't in yet. moinmoin is decent if you want an alternative |
| 17:59.39 | kazzil | is there any way I can to tc-red behind a tc-sfq... the problem is they're both classless |
| 17:59.41 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: alright thanks for the info |
| 17:59.55 | wikiman | asg: itp? |
| 17:59.59 | greycat | !ITP |
| 17:59.59 | dpkg | [itp] Intent To Package |
| 18:00.01 | asg | wikiman: Intent to Package |
| 18:00.14 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, see, the defines in version.h get embedded into all the .o files, and thus when you change version.h by giving a different appen-to-version, every single .o file is impacted |
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| 18:00.34 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: I see |
| 18:00.38 | stew | kazzil: have you tried #lartc? |
| 18:00.59 | kazzil | yeah, and #netfilter |
| 18:01.02 | kazzil | really quiet right now |
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| 18:01.24 | jshriver | Greetings.. does anyone here use WineX or know where to get it? I've been googling for a while |
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| 18:01.32 | greycat | it's called cedega now |
| 18:01.34 | jshriver | keep getting conflicting info... is it GPL or closed |
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| 18:01.49 | greycat | it's proprietary, but they release a stripped-down version of it for free use. |
| 18:01.50 | cbr | when a package is accepted at unstable but hasnt hit the mirrors yet, is there some public ftp server it's on? |
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| 18:01.53 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, the only way to change this is to hack vmware to turn off the version chec, and assume responsibility of ensuring that vmware modules still shall integrate into the running kernel -- not sure it is worth that to avoid symlink farms |
| 18:02.06 | greycat | the free-use version lacks the copy protection stuff that makes it useful in the first place, so it's totally pointless. |
| 18:02.11 | RichiH | cbr: yes |
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| 18:02.13 | antgel | cbr: ftp.debian.org |
| 18:02.17 | RichiH | cbr: /msg dpkg unstable |
| 18:02.18 | cbr | antgel: no |
| 18:02.23 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, since the side effects are unknown, and can be severe |
| 18:02.31 | RichiH | cbr: but if you ask that, chances are you should not use unstable ;) |
| 18:02.33 | jshriver | greycat: copy protect? I own the games so not worried about that... just want to play them. |
| 18:02.53 | antgel | jshriver: you need a gamecube |
| 18:03.01 | antgel | where's my flameproof pants? |
| 18:03.05 | greycat | the stuff that lets the copy-protected games look at the CD and verify that it's the right CD |
| 18:03.12 | jshriver | antgel: ? |
| 18:03.13 | RichiH | antgel: in the drier |
| 18:03.19 | cbr | RichiH: that wasnt very helpful.. is there like some server where packages that are uploaded are kept before mirrors are populated with em? |
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| 18:03.33 | jshriver | greycat: cant you just put the CD in the drive for it to look at it? I dont understand |
| 18:03.34 | m4lu7 | hrmm. |
| 18:03.36 | RichiH | cbr: ah, that's what you meant |
| 18:03.38 | greycat | cbr: /msg dpkg incoming |
| 18:03.45 | m4lu7 | is xserver-xfree86 *not* in sid any longer? |
| 18:03.46 | RichiH | exactly |
| 18:03.47 | Manoj_ | jshriver, well, you may own the game, but the game is still copy protected, and unless you have software that unlocks it, it does no good. |
| 18:03.49 | greycat | jshriver: /j #cedega |
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| 18:03.58 | m4lu7 | is it just now xorg, "And have a nice cup of stfu"? |
| 18:04.05 | greycat | cedega is NOT Free software |
| 18:04.16 | greycat | !info xserver-xfree86 sid |
| 18:04.17 | cbr | greycat: thanks a lot, i didnt know that |
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| 18:04.26 | greycat | 14:04 <-dpkg[n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg] Package 'xserver-xfree86' does not exist. |
| 18:04.32 | stew | m4lu7: http://packages.debian.org/xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:04.57 | jshriver | Nanoj: doesnt the software itself unlock itself? I dont understand... |
| 18:05.03 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: oh another question: Is there an easy way to compile single modules without the need of going through another entire compile run? |
| 18:05.06 | greycat | jshriver: ask #cedega or #windows |
| 18:05.10 | m4lu7 | stew, ... yeah... i've noticed. |
| 18:05.18 | jshriver | k |
| 18:05.23 | stew | m4lu7: so then you didn't have to ask :) |
| 18:05.26 | Manoj_ | jshriver, err, no, stuff does not automatically decoide itself, what good is self decoding encryption? |
| 18:05.26 | m4lu7 | I guess I'm looking for a reason "Why it's been completely removed?" |
| 18:05.29 | cbr | RichiH: will all packages in incoming reach unstable/experimental the next day? |
| 18:05.35 | antgel | i have a question about debconf. i thought it was for dd's. so why is jaldhar explaining what linux is etc? |
| 18:05.42 | asg | m4lu7: because it is useless for future developement in Debian |
| 18:05.43 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, internal modules, or third party? |
| 18:05.48 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: internal |
| 18:05.49 | RichiH | cbr: not necessarily |
| 18:06.01 | RichiH | cbr: but you can assume they will move there 'soon' |
| 18:06.03 | greycat | asg: xserver-svga (et al.) were kept around for a long time. |
| 18:06.19 | jshriver | Nanoj: I thought the purpose of copy-protection was the program itself did it's verification. But as long as you haev the CD I dont see what the problem is... what else would I need that doesn't come on the CD to play the game? if so then how can they sale something that requires another program just to play it |
| 18:06.22 | antgel | greycat: they are useless as well ;) |
| 18:06.22 | greycat | they weren't officially killed until after woody's release |
| 18:06.23 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, yes, but you need to grok Makefiles and thus ./debian/rules (hint: stamp files are important) |
| 18:06.24 | asg | greycat: they are useful since xserver-s3 works on chipsets that 4 doesn't work with |
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| 18:06.32 | browny | is debian amd64 still only in sid right now? |
| 18:06.39 | greycat | browny: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 18:06.41 | ircops | jshriver: it's Manoj_ |
| 18:06.43 | stew | jshriver: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 18:06.48 | antgel | browny: there's a debian amd64 webpage |
| 18:06.49 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: yuk, that's ugly :) |
| 18:06.51 | Octalthorpe | jshriver : What about Steam ? |
| 18:06.54 | RichiH | m4lu7: it's an old cludge and the improvements that came into debian's xfree86 were drivers ported from x.org |
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| 18:07.04 | RichiH | so.. |
| 18:07.12 | jshriver | I dont know, never used Steam.. I only play older games... |
| 18:07.14 | asg | greycat: I have an old system here that still runs xserver-s3 (no amount of futzing ever made it work with xfree86 4) |
| 18:07.26 | jshriver | like Tropic, The Sims, Diablo, WC2 |
| 18:07.34 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: what about doing "make modules"? |
| 18:07.42 | RichiH | m4lu7: xfree86 changed their licence policy in a rather stupid way. add the fact that they were not all that popular and your have software that has no place in debian |
| 18:07.54 | RichiH | asg: wow |
| 18:08.04 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, well, people who know what they are doing can hack around protections make-kpkg is designed to be used by novices and by default selects the safest route possible, at the expense of some recompilation -- since the common use cases do not involve lots of recompiles |
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| 18:08.31 | asg | RichiH: yeah. |
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| 18:08.40 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, sure, make modules shall recompile the modules. but you may get the dreaded nothing needed to make binary :) |
| 18:09.03 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: I would? |
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| 18:09.45 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, honestly, I don't recall offhand whether binary-arch and binary look at stamps or not |
| 18:09.46 | Kerr | err |
| 18:09.52 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: why would I if I switched a kernel option? |
| 18:09.53 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: ok |
| 18:10.29 | Kerr | is that join/part flood still going on? |
| 18:10.36 | asg | Kerr: yes |
| 18:10.42 | greycat | Kerr: look for yourself. |
| 18:10.46 | Manoj_ | CosmoDad, if make thinks the binary/binary-arch target has already been built, it would not recreate the debian package from the .o files again -- that is seen as useless busy work by make :) |
| 18:11.03 | Kerr | greycat: unfortunatley, irssi is too awesome for me to notice. |
| 18:11.06 | Overand | !lame |
| 18:11.07 | dpkg | lame is, like, : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 18:11.08 | nvz | its been going on for like a month |
| 18:11.20 | Overand | !marillat |
| 18:11.20 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 18:11.25 | greycat | not as bad as it was a couple weeks ago |
| 18:11.27 | stew | Overand: please /msg the bot |
| 18:11.29 | asg | Overand: you can /msg the bot you know |
| 18:11.32 | Kerr | /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS |
| 18:11.32 | Overand | yeah |
| 18:11.35 | Kerr | :) |
| 18:11.35 | Overand | sorry |
| 18:11.36 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: yeah makes sense |
| 18:11.42 | CosmoDad | Manoj_: well thanks for all the info, gotta go |
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| 18:11.58 | Manoj_ | glad to be of service :) |
| 18:12.10 | CosmoDad | :) |
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| 18:12.50 | asg | pretty colors |
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| 18:12.55 | Kerr | are there any better mp3 encoders for shoutcasting? Lame doesn't seem to like low quality files. |
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| 18:13.02 | Electron_ | hi, how do I unzip tar.bz2 ? |
| 18:13.02 | ircops | asg: don't go towards the light! |
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| 18:13.11 | ircops | ElectricElf: tar xjf <file> |
| 18:13.12 | asg | Electron_: /msg dpkg tar |
| 18:13.14 | stew | Electron_: /msg dpkg tar |
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| 18:13.28 | asg | ircops: er...I looked into the light Ray |
| 18:13.40 | ircops | *bZZzzZzT* |
| 18:13.46 | Manoj_ | info tar ? |
| 18:13.58 | ilpavox | installed debian on a new box, and it's crashing at book. gets to the point where it loads the usbcore... any ideas? |
| 18:14.28 | asg | Manoj_: only after a lot of 'info info' first :) |
| 18:14.29 | delire | at book? don't throw a book at it! |
| 18:14.30 | Kerr | unplug your usb devices? |
| 18:14.33 | Kerr | lol |
| 18:14.38 | greycat | ilpavox: does it always crash at the *same* location? |
| 18:14.40 | ilpavox | none in |
| 18:14.46 | greycat | ilpavox: and have you tried both of the sarge kernels, 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 18:14.46 | ilpavox | yea |
| 18:14.51 | ilpavox | yea |
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| 18:15.06 | Electron_ | doesn't work |
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| 18:15.15 | Electron_ | I don't know the - command |
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| 18:15.18 | stew | Electron_: what did you try. what happens? |
| 18:15.18 | asg | !tell Electron_ about tar |
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| 18:15.38 | Electron_ | I just read it but it doesn't work |
| 18:15.51 | asg | delire: sacrificing chickens and performing incantations, not waving them |
| 18:15.53 | Electron_ | what do I type for tar.bz2? |
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| 18:15.56 | greycat | !fishsmite delire |
| 18:15.58 | stew | Electron_: tell us what you typed. tell us what error you got, or apt-get install unp and unp filename |
| 18:16.01 | Manoj_ | delire, only if the problem is on the other side of the road |
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| 18:16.03 | asg | Electron_: tar xjf foo.bz2 |
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| 18:16.17 | greycat | asg: why are you spoon-feeding it? |
| 18:16.27 | asg | greycat: to see if it had read it or not |
| 18:16.28 | greycat | are you *that* bored? |
| 18:16.29 | Electron_ | tar xzf ksetiwatch-3.0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 18:16.29 | Electron_ | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
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| 18:16.36 | delire | asg: that was thousands of years ago asg. neanderthals did that sort of thing. |
| 18:16.38 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 18:16.45 | Manoj_ | Electron_, z is not j |
| 18:16.45 | ircops | ElectricElf: "xjf" not "xzf" |
| 18:16.48 | Kerr | i fixed the washing machine i was using in the laundry room by beating the crap out of it. Some joke had pushed coins in side by side. Have you tried beating the crap out of it, ilpavox ? |
| 18:16.53 | antgel | greycat: i think that's new #debian policy |
| 18:16.55 | delire | greycat: better fish than books! |
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| 18:17.03 | antgel | *grin* |
| 18:17.06 | Manoj_ | Electron_, please go back and read the helkp offered to you. You should also try info tar |
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| 18:17.11 | Unified | hi |
| 18:17.15 | Electron_ | ile or directory |
| 18:17.15 | Electron_ | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 18:17.22 | asg | delire: it was in the README for the first Slackware I ever installed ('96 or so) |
| 18:17.25 | Electron_ | tar xjf ksetiwatch-3.0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 18:17.26 | Electron_ | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or direct |
| 18:17.28 | Manoj_ | Electron_, as other people have said, info info can also be useful initially |
| 18:17.36 | stew | Electron_: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 18:17.38 | asg | Electron_: install bzip2 then |
| 18:17.38 | antgel | Electron_: install bzip2 |
| 18:17.39 | greycat | or "apt-get install pinfo; pinfo tar" |
| 18:17.40 | Unified | i need to unload the complete usb stack in order to get s3 to work. is there an easy way to do this? (i'm asking since I can't know all the time which usb modules are loaded right now) |
| 18:17.47 | Manoj_ | Electron_, you probably need to insall bzip on your macine |
| 18:17.53 | delire | asg: ;) i remember |
| 18:17.55 | ilpavox | kerr: i haver verabally abused it |
| 18:17.57 | asg | !install it |
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| 18:18.08 | Manoj_ | hmm, pinfo. I had forgottenabout pinfo |
| 18:18.14 | antgel | Manoj_: have you seen the videos from debconf? |
| 18:18.21 | asg | Manoj_: it at least makes info bareable |
| 18:18.26 | greycat | bearable. |
| 18:18.31 | asg | eep |
| 18:18.33 | greycat | I do *not* want to see naked info. |
| 18:18.39 | delire | and fair enough |
| 18:18.44 | greycat | it's quite bad enough when clothed... |
| 18:18.46 | takatumi | read it in emacs, thumps 'em all. |
| 18:18.53 | asg | greycat: better naked and greppable than having to use use info(1) |
| 18:18.55 | Manoj_ | antgel, I have a very narrow pipe to the 'net, so no, never went around downloading those huge videos |
| 18:18.58 | antgel | no, read it in vi |
| 18:19.10 | Manoj_ | asg, I use emacs, so ... |
| 18:19.11 | greycat | asg: I've been known to use zcat *foo* | less as my info page reader |
| 18:19.11 | ircops | asg: I like naked and gropeable |
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| 18:19.32 | asg | greycat: true |
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| 18:19.52 | asg | Manoj_: ah, then you're alright |
| 18:20.00 | Manoj_ | antgel, why do you ask? anything radical and interesting? |
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| 18:20.04 | antgel | Manoj_: was wondering if you can explain to me why debconf is starting off with things that we all know |
| 18:21.14 | antgel | Manoj_: you got a mention, for starters. now onto the interesting part... :P |
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| 18:21.15 | ircops | hehe |
| 18:21.15 | Manoj_ | antgel, I did? I wan't even there ... |
| 18:21.15 | ilpavox | it is a laptop |
| 18:21.15 | asg | what is? |
| 18:21.27 | antgel | Manoj_: i was just wondering who the target audience is. i'm on video 2 of many and the speaker is talking about things at such a basic level to anybody who knows about debian. |
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| 18:21.38 | ilpavox | my crappy computer that won't boot debian |
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| 18:21.55 | ircops | ilpavox: they make good boat anchors |
| 18:21.58 | antgel | Manoj_: you did, as the old man etc. i think it was branden who named you, not sure |
| 18:22.02 | asg | ilpavox: did the installer work? |
| 18:22.03 | greycat | ircops: I doubt that |
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| 18:22.09 | asg | ilpavox: or is that the bit that is failing? |
| 18:22.18 | nvz | s/computer/user/ |
| 18:22.20 | ilpavox | asg: installer worked fine |
| 18:22.21 | delire | ilpavox: usbcore can sometimes stall the boot process if something is a bit awry. ensure no usb devices are plugged in during boot |
| 18:22.38 | takatumi | ilpavox: since it got stuck at usbcore, random suggestion, try disabling legacy usb support in your BIOS. |
| 18:22.41 | antgel | Manoj_: e.g. he's saying what linux is, what apt is etc. surely any debian person knows that (apart from people coming in here ;) |
| 18:22.44 | asg | ilpavox: then start blacklisting your usb stuff (/msg dpkg blacklist) until you can figure out the issue. |
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| 18:23.13 | ircops | greycat: they do... tie a 50' cat5 through the power supply fan griddle, and let that mofo go... only works for boats up to 10 feet tho |
| 18:23.20 | ilpavox | asg: i get a little farther into the boot if i boot with nolapic |
| 18:23.33 | asg | ilpavox: check what takatumi said above also |
| 18:23.39 | greycat | ircops: a *laptop*? |
| 18:23.44 | Mo3 | may i use the k7 kernel for my amd sempron cpu? |
| 18:23.51 | greycat | Mo3: yes |
| 18:23.55 | ircops | greycat: no just computers that don't boot debian in general... |
| 18:23.56 | asg | greycat: maybe it's one of the $10K sun jobs |
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| 18:24.11 | greycat | asg: or a *very* old "luggable" |
| 18:24.16 | Mo3 | and its _the_ best kernel for my cpu? |
| 18:24.17 | asg | greycat: Kaypro |
| 18:24.25 | greycat | Mo3: probably, yes |
| 18:24.30 | Mo3 | okay, thanks |
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| 18:25.33 | asuffield | cat5 makes very bad anchor chain |
| 18:25.48 | asuffield | even for a lump anchor |
| 18:26.01 | asuffield | use something that's actually designed to take strain, for fuck's sake |
| 18:26.21 | delire | "Tie a 50' cat5 through the power supply fan griddle, and let that mofo go." -Edward Lear ? |
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| 18:27.28 | asuffield | (or, hey, just use a damned fluke anchor like a sane person) |
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| 18:28.06 | LoRez | those little yellow DVMs? those wouldn't hold a raft in place |
| 18:28.33 | greycat | "The Amazing Kaycomp II" "Blazing Fast 4 mhz CPU" hehe |
| 18:29.05 | nvz | my calculator has a faster cpu than that.. though its underclocked at 4mhz |
| 18:29.08 | ircops | hehehe |
| 18:29.10 | greycat | "9-inch Monster Monitor (available in green or amber)" |
| 18:29.42 | greycat | http://oldcomputers.net/pics/kaycomp.jpg |
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| 18:30.30 | ircops | !cat5 |
| 18:30.30 | dpkg | somebody said cat5 was a type of network cable that supports 100 mbit ethernet. It is also the name of the cat at Columbia Internet. not a very good anchor chain |
| 18:30.34 | kazzil | i want 9 inch monitors |
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| 18:30.50 | asuffield | I want a display I can fit in my toolbag |
| 18:31.07 | kazzil | there are some badass 4 inch OLED displays coming out, 320x240 |
| 18:31.08 | kazzil | i want |
| 18:31.15 | kazzil | pocket display |
| 18:31.26 | greycat | good enough resolution for Doom. |
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| 18:31.35 | vibey | anyone know of a postgres channel ? |
| 18:31.43 | kazzil | i wonder what the responsse time of OLED's is |
| 18:31.45 | greycat | #postgresql |
| 18:31.58 | vibey | thanks so much |
| 18:31.59 | stew | vibey: /msg chanserv list #*postgres* |
| 18:32.14 | ircops | kazzil: I think 8ms... not sure tho |
| 18:32.42 | greycat | my LCD monitor at home has a kick-ass response time |
| 18:32.42 | kazzil | arg, what a kick in the nuts. i had all these plans for running SFQ into RED into a pfifo with tc |
| 18:33.09 | kazzil | but you can only connect a qdisc to a child class's leaf |
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| 18:33.12 | kazzil | that sucks sooo badly |
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| 18:33.44 | zero-1 | hello |
| 18:33.45 | kazzil | i can either have a fairness queueing OR a non-tail drop system |
| 18:33.48 | zero-1 | I have a Orinoco PCMCIA wiless card is the gold one b, how can i get it to work on debian woody 3.0 r5 ??? |
| 18:33.50 | kazzil | fuck that |
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| 18:34.06 | greycat | zero-1: I doubt very much woody supports any wireless NICs. |
| 18:34.07 | asg | zero-1: you are probably better off upgrading to sarge |
| 18:34.29 | asg | zero-1: then, apt-get install wireless-tools and man 7 wireless, man 5 interfaces |
| 18:34.39 | kazzil | and if i want anything at all i cant use pfifo_fast which does ToS |
| 18:34.42 | zero-1 | i already have wireless tools |
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| 18:34.48 | stew | zero-1: modprobe orinoco_cs |
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| 18:34.55 | zero-1 | it says i don have it |
| 18:35.06 | asg | zero-1: uname -r |
| 18:35.20 | zero-1 | is tehre another module besides orinoc_cs |
| 18:35.23 | stew | zero-1: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:35.35 | grendal_prime | hey i got this machine...reall old bitch... needs a serial mouse and guess what..aint one anywhere...i need a minimal x on this thing...is there a way to tell x to use th numpad as the mouse instead |
| 18:35.37 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 18:35.38 | stew | asg what do you bet? bf24 or idepci? |
| 18:35.41 | greycat | idepci |
| 18:35.46 | asg | stew: yeah, that's my guess |
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| 18:36.01 | zero-1 | 2.4.18-newpmac |
| 18:36.02 | poncho | Hola. |
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| 18:36.15 | greycat | !lose greycat |
| 18:36.16 | dpkg | greycat: You Lose. |
| 18:36.17 | ircops | hola poncho... que pasa? |
| 18:36.24 | stew | zero-1: so the problem is that you are using a custom kernel, and whoever compiled it didn't include the orinoco support |
| 18:36.32 | poncho | Todo bien. |
| 18:36.35 | zero-1 | what can i do? |
| 18:36.38 | stew | zero-1: you can either recompile it, or install a debian kernel |
| 18:36.48 | greycat | zero-1: and upgrade to sarge while you're at it. |
| 18:36.49 | stew | zero-1: or upgrade to sarge (the current stable) and use the sarge 2.4 kenrel |
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| 18:37.15 | asg | !feed stew |
| 18:37.17 | zero-1 | it says io or irq invalid |
| 18:37.21 | asg | eep |
| 18:37.21 | stew | !eat me |
| 18:37.40 | asg | stew: I was going to say '!feed stew to streuner' but it came out all wrong |
| 18:37.44 | stew | heh |
| 18:37.50 | streuner | hehe :-) |
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| 18:37.53 | Quibus | Hi, is anyone here running the testing stock kernel 2.6.12? If so, please tell me what compiler was used for it |
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| 18:38.12 | greycat | Quibus: cat /proc/version |
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| 18:38.42 | Quibus | greycat: yes, anyone running the Debian stock 2.6.12, please private message me the output of cat /proc/version |
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| 18:39.05 | greycat | NO, NOBODY BUT YOU IS RUNNING THIS KERNEL. |
| 18:39.08 | greycat | run the damned command yourself. |
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| 18:39.27 | Quibus | greycat: I'm not running that kernel, that's why I want to know |
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| 18:39.37 | cheal | asg: it is since a while now |
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| 18:39.37 | ircops | haha... real men custom compile |
| 18:39.41 | danieldg | asg: it's called linux-image not kernel-image |
| 18:39.45 | ircops | women, too, to be pc |
| 18:39.48 | Quibus | greycat: (It's a long story) |
| 18:39.53 | asg | danieldg: that I know, didn't know it had migrated |
| 18:39.54 | greycat | real women make the men custom compile |
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| 18:39.58 | asg | hah |
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| 18:40.12 | dieguito | hello, i haven't been able to setup my cups printer with samba, i have read the documentation of cups and samba, and looks like i need some *.dll from cups for the windows clients driver availability, but i can't find them anywhere! |
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| 18:40.36 | ircops | real women look for custom kernels on sale at macy's |
| 18:40.45 | Quibus | I find it a waste of time to compile a custom kernel :P |
| 18:41.02 | ircops | Quibus: I find it a waste of resources to use a "stock" kernel |
| 18:41.08 | greycat | ircops: you can't get custom kernels off the rack. |
| 18:41.10 | walterbrunswick | heh |
| 18:41.24 | Waggie | Speaking of stock kernels.. |
| 18:41.32 | Quibus | ircops: what resources are wasted? YOu only get what you load in modules, basically |
| 18:41.36 | greycat | disk space |
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| 18:41.47 | Quibus | greycat: good point |
| 18:41.54 | grendal_prime | i want to simulate a mouse for x how would i go about that/ |
| 18:41.56 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 18:41.56 | greycat | have you *seen* the size of a full debian kernel image lately? |
| 18:42.01 | Waggie | I was attempting to install 2.6.12-1-686 on my Etch box.. The initrd didn't seem to install, though.. |
| 18:42.05 | greycat | grendal_prime: ask #xorg |
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| 18:42.20 | grendal_prime | good ideal |
| 18:42.21 | Quibus | greycat: full binary install is about 50MB I suppose |
| 18:42.22 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 18:42.25 | Lorvija | anyone here familiar with memtest86 options? What's the difference in the address range menu with the options "bios std" and "bios all" ? |
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| 18:42.38 | fken | hello |
| 18:42.42 | greycat | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 sarge |
| 18:42.43 | Quibus | greycat: but otherwise, it's darn comfortable |
| 18:42.47 | fken | finally i cannot mount my cdrom |
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| 18:42.50 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 15164 kB, Installed size: 44156 kB |
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| 18:43.03 | Quibus | 44MB, close |
| 18:43.06 | ircops | Quibus: plus the scheduler timing is 250hz by default... I like 1khz... greatly increases speed for me |
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| 18:43.09 | asg | that's 4 times larger than my first hard drive |
| 18:43.09 | ircops | for some reason |
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| 18:43.20 | fken | could someone help me |
| 18:43.28 | ircops | fken: no |
| 18:43.48 | greycat | !ask |
| 18:43.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 18:44.07 | fken | and could god tell me why this f*cked distrib install itself differently each time ? with each time another issue ? |
| 18:44.10 | Quibus | !info linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 |
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| 18:44.18 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7: (Linux kernel 2.6.12 image on AMD K7 machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-6 (sid), Packaged size: 16061 kB, Installed size: 47468 kB |
| 18:44.25 | greycat | fken: debian does not install itself. |
| 18:44.35 | Quibus | fken: if you don't like it, get someone else and complain somewhere else |
| 18:44.38 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: unstable does. |
| 18:44.39 | kurtak | What's the best way to configure what services/deamons start on bootup?? |
| 18:44.40 | greycat | it requires a human being or other semiautonomous agent to initiate the installation. |
| 18:44.42 | Quibus | s/someone/something |
| 18:44.50 | stew | kurtak: rcconf / update-rc.d |
| 18:44.52 | fken | greycat: i install sarge from internet dont tell me sarge change at all in only one week |
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| 18:45.16 | greycat | fken: using what media? |
| 18:45.31 | fken | greycat: cdrom and then ftp |
| 18:45.39 | stew | fken: if you have a specific question you should ask it. you are being way too vague. if you are just here to randomly complain, please don't bother |
| 18:45.48 | greycat | fken: what CD? |
| 18:45.58 | kurtak | stew: hi again. cool, thanks! |
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| 18:46.12 | tom22 | hello all the hard drive of my mac doesn't work anymore. can I try to access the drive with debian |
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| 18:46.21 | greycat | sure, you can try. |
| 18:46.27 | fken | stew : i cannot mount cdrom hdb nor scd0 |
| 18:46.27 | asg | !hfs |
| 18:46.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hfs is the Apple Hierarchial File System, the default filesystem on the Mac OS. HFS+, which appeared in MacOS 8.1 and later, supports smaller block sizes, and UNIX-like features such as symlinks and device stubs. Tools for dealing with either filesystem are in the "hfsutils" and "hfsplus" Debian packages. It's also said to be the Horrible File System, or HOLY FUCKEN SHIT |
| 18:46.30 | Quibus | tom22: better get some Knoppix cd |
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| 18:46.35 | stew | fken: why not? |
| 18:46.45 | slashme | Hi! I have a samba server running webmin. What is the easiest way for windows users to change their own passwords remotely? |
| 18:46.56 | tom22 | I don't know if hfs or hfs+ |
| 18:46.57 | stew | slashme: ask #samba |
| 18:46.57 | fken | stew: good question |
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| 18:47.17 | fken | stew: i hope someone here know how to fix that new bug |
| 18:47.19 | slashme | tom22: you have to have support for the mac filesystem in your kernel, but yes. |
| 18:47.22 | greycat | fken: you've given no useful details at all. we can't possibly answer anything you've asked. |
| 18:47.22 | stew | fken: what did you try? what error do you get? |
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| 18:47.28 | fken | stew: kernel 2.6.12-1 |
| 18:47.32 | ircops | !tell slashme about webmin |
| 18:47.38 | greycat | fken: WRONG! ANSWER! |
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| 18:47.49 | greycat | sarge has no 2.6.12-1 kernel. |
| 18:47.50 | tom22 | slashme: how can I test if I have the hfs support |
| 18:48.07 | fken | greycat : i wasnt answering you but i know the problem came with that kernel |
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| 18:48.13 | fken | so |
| 18:48.25 | stew | fken: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:48.40 | fken | stew : hdb : no Ades:/home/fken# mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /cdrom |
| 18:48.40 | fken | mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist |
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| 18:48.57 | fken | Ades:/home/fken# mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /cdrom |
| 18:48.57 | fken | mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 18:48.57 | fken | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, |
| 18:48.57 | greycat | smells like udev |
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| 18:49.05 | delire | tom22: modprobe -l | grep hfs |
| 18:49.33 | fken | greycat: udev had problem to be installed : sarge release had some trouble |
| 18:49.45 | stew | fken: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:49.46 | greycat | fken: you are not installing sarge. good-bye. |
| 18:49.53 | fken | and when i dist-upgrade to testing udev fails with at and hal |
| 18:49.59 | stew | fken: does /dev/hdb exist? |
| 18:50.04 | tom22 | delire: thx, I think I have it, so I pray and try |
| 18:50.09 | fken | but i reinstall them and everything was alright |
| 18:50.19 | poncho | !kcheckgmail |
| 18:50.26 | delire | tom22: make sure you load the module before trying a mount ;) |
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| 18:50.35 | asg | poncho: /msg dpkg listkeys foo |
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| 18:50.45 | poncho | ok |
| 18:50.45 | stew | fken: why were you asking about the sarge installer changing? it seems like you are sying sarge is working but testing isn't (which doesn change weekly) |
| 18:50.58 | tom22 | delire: how do I do that? |
| 18:51.02 | stew | fken: is your cdrom scsi or ide? |
| 18:51.05 | stew | or do you have both? |
| 18:51.10 | fken | nothing called hdb in my /dev |
| 18:51.15 | stew | fken: are you running udev? |
| 18:51.19 | fken | stew:ide off course |
| 18:51.27 | fken | udev ? i dunno |
| 18:51.29 | stew | fken: if its ide why are your trying scd0? |
| 18:51.33 | fken | how to know that ? |
| 18:51.36 | stew | fken: dpkg -l udev |
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| 18:51.59 | fken | ii udev 0.068-2 /dev/ management daemon |
| 18:52.00 | stew | fken: you should know how to figure out what packages are installed before you upgrade to testing |
| 18:52.04 | delire | tom22: modprobe hfs |
| 18:52.12 | fken | scd0 because i know it worked before |
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| 18:52.46 | tom22 | delire: I typed it and got no answer, is it loaded now? |
| 18:52.47 | stew | fken: scd is for scsi. are you sure that your cdrom is plugged into the slave of the first ide bus? |
| 18:52.56 | delire | tom22: you may want to load hfsplus also. add these to /etc/modules to ensure they boot next time and create a mount point for your hfs device in /etc/fstab |
| 18:53.02 | fken | stew : i said previously that i reinstalled udev so off course its installed : but if the kernel load it i didnt know |
| 18:53.04 | streuner | !info udev sarge |
| 18:53.06 | delire | tom22: 'lsmod | grep hfs' to check |
| 18:53.08 | greycat | streuner: pssst... dmesg... |
| 18:53.13 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.056-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 684 kB |
| 18:53.27 | streuner | !info udev etch |
| 18:53.31 | kisielk | what's teh deal with debia upgrades lately |
| 18:53.37 | kisielk | I'm just trying to install "ntpdate" |
| 18:53.44 | streuner | <dpkg> Package 'udev' does not exist. |
| 18:53.46 | kisielk | and it wants to update libc6, remove my kernel, e2fsporgs.. |
| 18:53.46 | fken | stew : hda is a 80Gb disk PATA 133 / sda is a 200Gb SATA disk |
| 18:53.46 | streuner | ... |
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| 18:53.59 | tom22 | delire: answer was hfs 41860 0 (I guess its loaded) |
| 18:54.00 | asg | kisielk: that should never happen at all |
| 18:54.08 | greycat | kisielk: you changed your sources.list |
| 18:54.17 | asg | kisielk: presumably, you changed your sources |
| 18:54.17 | stew | fken: the cdrom, not the hard drives |
| 18:54.19 | delire | tom22: loaded. lsmod == list loaded modules. |
| 18:54.19 | kisielk | greycat: no, it's always been the same.. |
| 18:54.24 | greycat | kisielk: and that "same" is...? |
| 18:54.29 | kisielk | for as long as I've run these machines |
| 18:54.30 | greycat | (/me guesses testing) |
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| 18:54.35 | stew | kisielk: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:54.38 | Waggie | I am having a problem installing kernel 2.6.12. I'm running Debian Etch. It seems the initrd image isn't being created and it didn't automagically add to my GRUB menu list. When I tried adding it manually, I couldn't create an initrd image. I ran 'strace mkinitrd ...' and saw some errors about "Bad File Descriptor".. |
| 18:54.40 | kisielk | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 18:54.42 | delire | tom22: modprobe -l == list all available modules |
| 18:54.45 | fken | stew: pfff i forgot the most important : secondary master |
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| 18:54.50 | greycat | kisielk: testing changes. it's called testing for a reason. |
| 18:54.53 | stew | fken: that hdd not hdb |
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| 18:55.01 | Quibus | btw, ask dpkg about 'custom kernel' before telling me about real men building their own kernel :P |
| 18:55.09 | fken | hdc you mean ? |
| 18:55.10 | tom22 | delire: thx, now I am going to try |
| 18:55.14 | kisielk | yeah, but why would it want to remove the kernel? |
| 18:55.18 | kisielk | I've never had that happen before.. |
| 18:55.22 | stew | fken: right |
| 18:55.29 | fken | Ades:/home/fken# mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 18:55.30 | fken | mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist |
| 18:55.30 | fken | Ades:/home/fken# mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /cdrom |
| 18:55.30 | fken | mount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist |
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| 18:55.34 | greycat | kisielk: probably udev or something |
| 18:55.34 | asg | kisielk: because there is a conflict it can't resolve |
| 18:55.38 | delire | Waggie: same here and for many others. give the FULL PATH when using mkinitrd |
| 18:55.41 | stew | !tell fken about flood |
| 18:55.45 | Thanatermesis | Im logged in a ssh account, the person of the machine can "write" me but Im not posible to write this person... why ? |
| 18:56.03 | asg | Thanatermesis: mesg(1) |
| 18:56.05 | stew | fken: do you have ide-scsi or ide-cd modules loaded? which? |
| 18:56.07 | Thanatermesis | write: blah is not logged in |
| 18:56.16 | Thanatermesis | asg "mesg y" activated |
| 18:56.24 | asg | Thanatermesis: on the other person's account |
| 18:56.29 | fken | stew: i pasted only 4 lines but if its still bad considered ill send them to you personaly |
| 18:56.34 | delire | Waggie: it's a pita but 'mkinitrd -o /path/to/newImage <version>' IIRC |
| 18:56.43 | fken | stew: i ll look |
| 18:56.45 | Thanatermesis | yes yes.. |
| 18:56.51 | ircops | Quibus: do you see where it says "You really know what you are doing, and wish to remove default options or add options which may not have been enabled by default (and have good reason to do so)." ??? that's me |
| 18:56.57 | asg | Thanatermesis: then try writing to their tty instead |
| 18:56.59 | stew | fken: don't /msg me ; read the flood factoid |
| 18:57.02 | fken | ide_scsi 18116 0 |
| 18:57.04 | Thanatermesis | but the message show "not are logged in"... asg ... and "who -a" not show this user, is normal ? |
| 18:57.05 | Waggie | delire: I'll try that, thank you! |
| 18:57.11 | delire | Waggie: np |
| 18:57.22 | greycat | ircops: real men don't have to justify themselves either. |
| 18:57.22 | fken | stew: for 4 lines i ll have to paste it ? |
| 18:57.23 | stew | fken: ide_scsi is for 2.4 not 2.6, remove it and modprobe ide-cd |
| 18:57.33 | Gnea | Quibus: btw, kernel source exists for one reason: to be compiled. |
| 18:57.34 | stew | fken: did you read it? |
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| 18:57.53 | greycat | stew: pssst.. tell him about the FAQ. |
| 18:58.01 | greycat | !wikifaq that_one_moron UseCdBurner |
| 18:58.01 | Waggie | delire: It worked.. Thanks. :) |
| 18:58.02 | dpkg | that_one_moron: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseCdBurner or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:58.04 | ircops | greycat: real men don't have to sit quietly while bullshit is being fed to them either :) |
| 18:58.07 | stew | greycat: you can tell him yourself |
| 18:58.08 | delire | Waggie: :) |
| 18:58.08 | eurisko | people does anyone have idea what is module unix.ko responsible for? |
| 18:58.19 | greycat | stew: I feel it impolite to address people I've /ignore'd. |
| 18:58.21 | asg | Thanatermesis: and you sure the user is logged in? what about last -a, ps? |
| 18:58.26 | Gnea | eurisko: modinfo unix |
| 18:58.33 | eurisko | i don't have the system workin |
| 18:58.38 | fken | how to remove without killing it ? |
| 18:58.46 | asg | whoohoo, pubtime |
| 18:58.49 | eurisko | that's why i am askin it. |
| 18:58.51 | greycat | eurisko: well, fix it. |
| 18:58.53 | Gnea | asg: bastard. |
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| 18:59.04 | stew | fken: modprobe -r ide-scsi; make sure its not listed in /etc/modules |
| 18:59.07 | ircops | asg: down one for me |
| 18:59.09 | fken | stew: yeah i ead it |
| 18:59.10 | asg | Gnea: I've been working since 5am, it's 3pm now...ergo pubtime :) |
| 18:59.18 | delire | excellent |
| 18:59.20 | mernil | go fuck a duck Gnea |
| 18:59.21 | Quibus | bye asg |
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| 18:59.34 | mernil | asshole.. :P |
| 18:59.56 | fken | stew: i dont need to read the file to know its listed on it |
| 18:59.56 | stew | mernil: stop |
| 19:00.05 | ircops | mernil: you don't follow along well do you? :) hehe |
| 19:00.09 | eurisko | greycat that's a good sugestion |
| 19:00.10 | Thanatermesis | asg ... this person needs to enter in a terminal OUT from X ? or from X are good ? |
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| 19:00.16 | mernil | stew: say what? |
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| 19:00.33 | amorphix | nullvoid saved my life earlier |
| 19:01.23 | streuner | Thanatermesis: asg is gone - pubtime... |
| 19:01.28 | eurisko | but the problem is that my system dosen't work because of that unix.ko module it enters on a loop... that's why i want to know about that module .. , but arrogance sometimes just reminds me... |
| 19:01.28 | fken | stew:argh issue : its not written ide-scsi but ide-cd |
| 19:01.30 | Azar | I am so freaking frustrated, 3rd Debian SArge install, my friend still has no connection, this time he got 2.6 kernel, dhcp "successful" but no freaking connection |
| 19:01.45 | Azar | it is harder than with the woody installation |
| 19:01.46 | Quibus | last call: anyone here running stock kernel 2.6.12? |
| 19:01.55 | mernil | listen here you morons.. i'm mernil and i'm in charge here! dont fuck with me.. i'm your baddest nightmare okay! |
| 19:01.57 | greycat | eurisko: why would that module have anything to do with booting? do you run *dm at boot time? (EVIL!) |
| 19:01.59 | streuner | Quibus: uhm, yes? |
| 19:02.07 | greycat | eurisko: about the only thing that would trigger unix domain sockets would be X. |
| 19:02.09 | Azar | what can be wrong, good lord, why Sarge does not get a connection? |
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| 19:02.15 | fken | ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic |
| 19:02.15 | Quibus | streuner: can you please check the compiler version in /proc/version for me? |
| 19:02.16 | Ronin | mernil: forget to take your meds? |
| 19:02.21 | stew | mernil: if you don't have a debian related question, please move on |
| 19:02.25 | Manoj_ | mernil: ? |
| 19:02.26 | eurisko | that's why i am thinkin it's really strange! |
| 19:02.26 | delire | Azar: you can ping the DHCP server/router? |
| 19:02.27 | ircops | mernil: yes daddy *quiver* |
| 19:02.28 | Azar | mernil be civil |
| 19:02.28 | asuffield | greycat: udev |
| 19:02.30 | streuner | Linux version 2.6.12-1-k7 (dilinger@mouth) (gcc version 4.0.2 20050821 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-6)) #1 Tue Sep 6 16:28:10 UTC 2005 |
| 19:02.37 | delire | Azar: it won't be 'sarges fault' |
| 19:02.40 | greycat | Azar: try the other sarge kernel. failing that, install woody and upgrade to sarge, but keep the woody kernel. |
| 19:02.47 | Anthro | Quibus: Linux version 2.6.11-powerpc-smp (sven@pegasos2) (version gcc 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-4)) #1 SMP Fri May 13 17:41:13 CEST 2005 |
| 19:02.48 | Azar | delire, he has a dual boot, it will go ok since his windows side works |
| 19:02.52 | delire | Azar: so much as some configuration on the system that doesn't suit your local setup. |
| 19:02.53 | greycat | asuffield: point and laugh time? |
| 19:03.03 | mernil | Ronin: and i'm also that guy from that movie.. forgot the name :P |
| 19:03.04 | Quibus | streuner: is that a stock kernel?? |
| 19:03.07 | Anthro | Quibus: Oops, I have 2.6.12 installed but I guess I haven't rebooted yet. |
| 19:03.09 | delire | Azar: can you ping the DHCP server/router? |
| 19:03.11 | streuner | Quibus: yes |
| 19:03.17 | eurisko | goin to full reinstall the system, i am doubtin of some trojan inside it. |
| 19:03.20 | asuffield | greycat: quite possibly. the other common option is dbus |
| 19:03.30 | greycat | !pal udev/2.6 users |
| 19:03.30 | Azar | delire he used to have slack dual with windows, I convinced him to try debian, slack was ok on connection, Sarge is not |
| 19:03.32 | asuffield | all of those do unix socket crap at boot time |
| 19:03.32 | Quibus | streuner: thanks... weird, gcc 4.0.2 |
| 19:03.35 | Quibus | streuner: thanks |
| 19:03.39 | Quibus | Anthro: thanks anyway :) |
| 19:03.42 | streuner | Quibus: np |
| 19:03.42 | delire | Azar: ok i won't ask the question again. |
| 19:03.44 | mernil | he from "sence of a woman" but he played a gangster" .. that's me ;) |
| 19:03.47 | Azar | delire yes I ccan |
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| 19:03.55 | shining | hi |
| 19:03.59 | fken | stew: its a nightmare : how does the system run the daemon ? the scsi one ? |
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| 19:04.03 | mernil | al pacino.. yeah :D |
| 19:04.03 | Waggie | Azar: Potentially a bad network card or problematic router? Try a Live CD of some sort and see if it works there. |
| 19:04.13 | shining | what do you suggest for resizing a ntfs part? |
| 19:04.22 | asuffield | powerquest partition magic |
| 19:04.23 | Azar | delire: <@boburt> yes. 2.6 kernel. i didn't "opt" for dhcp because there was no choice, BUT the installer said it automatically configured it "successfully".. and remember i have no lynx |
| 19:04.30 | greycat | CHKDSK /F C: |
| 19:04.31 | Manoj_ | mernil, do you have a debian related question, or not? |
| 19:04.32 | eurisko | could a sound card also have anything related to unix sockets? |
| 19:04.33 | greycat | *then* partition magic. |
| 19:04.36 | stew | fken: which daemon? |
| 19:04.36 | asuffield | costs a bloody fortune. nothing else can resize ntfs |
| 19:04.41 | shining | asuffield: a free way? |
| 19:04.45 | PumpkinPie | i use ntfs on debian all the time |
| 19:04.46 | asuffield | shining: forget it |
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| 19:04.49 | PumpkinPie | easier |
| 19:04.51 | Anthro | shining: The Mandrake 9.0 install CD. But only for partition resizing, not for installing anything at all. |
| 19:04.52 | fken | stew:the old i removed ide-scsi |
| 19:04.53 | EdgEy | there's another one afaik |
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| 19:05.07 | Quibus | um, I've resized NTFS with open tools once |
| 19:05.08 | mernil | Manoj_: yes i have.. what journaled filesystem do you suggest? |
| 19:05.10 | EdgEy | brb |
| 19:05.15 | fken | stew: its not in the module moreover its ide-cd which is there instead |
| 19:05.17 | greycat | mernil: if you have to ask: ext3 |
| 19:05.21 | ircops | ext3 |
| 19:05.23 | Azar | strange the installation did not download any packages for him, like woody installation would do, he got minimal install |
| 19:05.31 | delire | Azar: you cannot ping an external address? |
| 19:05.33 | Quibus | there should be 'ntfsresize' |
| 19:05.35 | tom22 | delire: i can access the mac drive with mount -t hfs /dev/hda /mac. but I see only 5 files (Desktop, finder, ...) but no datastructure, any ideas? |
| 19:05.36 | shining | Anthro: I didnt get it |
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| 19:05.38 | Azar | delire, yes |
| 19:05.39 | Quibus | Worked great, check google |
| 19:05.44 | greycat | Azar: the package selection happens after the first reboot, once you're running from hard disk. |
| 19:05.53 | delire | Azar: so then you have a net connection. |
| 19:05.57 | Anthro | shining: You should be able to do it with the Debian sarge install CD, I think. |
| 19:06.12 | stew | fken: if its not in /etc/modules, did you load it yourself? maybe /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 19:06.16 | Azar | greycat, thanks I never thought about a reboot, this might be the issue |
| 19:06.16 | shining | Anthro: debian install cd can resize ntfs? |
| 19:06.23 | amorphix | hi |
| 19:06.24 | ezerhoden | shining: I have used qparted without misfortune |
| 19:06.41 | delire | tom22: 'datastructure'? you mean other parts of the filesystem? |
| 19:06.42 | shining | ezerhoden: is it on debian install cd? |
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| 19:06.43 | Dawson | erm i cant work my debian partitioner, so is it possible to partition a drive in windows and installing debain on a blank partition? |
| 19:06.46 | Quibus | Knoppix can do it, I think, shiner840 |
| 19:06.51 | Quibus | sorroy, shining |
| 19:06.55 | Anthro | shining: I believe it has partition resizing. If so, it supports NTFS. |
| 19:07.01 | shining | I need to dl knoppix for that then? |
| 19:07.02 | greycat | WHATEVER you do to your NTFS file system: 1) BACK IT UP FIRST, 2) CHKDSK /F C: (and then reboot windows to run it) |
| 19:07.04 | tom22 | delire: yes i need to save the data |
| 19:07.06 | fken | stew: i load manually the ide-cd like you asked me |
| 19:07.13 | Waggie | asuffield: I use gparted, but make *sure* you backup first! |
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| 19:07.21 | stew | fken: is ide-scsi loaded? |
| 19:07.25 | ezerhoden | shining: I happen to use System Rescue CD, a live linux cd |
| 19:07.26 | asuffield | Waggie: that thing likes to eat ntfs and spit out the bones |
| 19:07.27 | delire | tom22: hmm try loading hfsplus, unmounting and then mounting again. |
| 19:07.38 | Waggie | asuffield: Then use qtparted. |
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| 19:07.57 | asuffield | Waggie: easier to copy the interesting files onto a server and wipe the box, and probably more reliable |
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| 19:08.03 | Waggie | Actually, come to think of it, I always end up using qtparted for NTFS, anyway.. |
| 19:08.09 | fken | stew:should i reboot ? ... yeah it is still here |
| 19:08.16 | stew | fken: remove it |
| 19:08.17 | delire | tom22: i wiped OSX on my G5 tower and loaded debian so sadly i can't test for you here. that said i did get it working once upon a time ;) |
| 19:08.19 | dafresh | anyone know a good soft to do tape backup ? |
| 19:08.20 | amorphix | have the clocks gone back yet |
| 19:08.21 | stew | fken: you don't have to reboot |
| 19:08.30 | fken | FATAL: Error removing ide_scsi (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/scsi/ide-scsi.ko): Device or resource busy |
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| 19:08.34 | Waggie | asuffield: Well, sounds like you already know all the best options, then. |
| 19:08.48 | fken | anyway its not ide-scsi but ide_scsi |
| 19:08.57 | amorphix | when do the clocks change |
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| 19:09.00 | ircops | amorphix: no |
| 19:09.00 | fken | killall ide_scsi |
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| 19:09.04 | fken | oups |
| 19:09.04 | tom22 | delire is that the same procedure with the module like it was with hfs just using hfsplus? |
| 19:09.04 | amorphix | oh |
| 19:09.08 | Anthro | dafresh: tar? |
| 19:09.10 | delire | tom22: yes |
| 19:09.12 | stew | fken: you have to kill whatever process is using it or unload any modules which are using it |
| 19:09.17 | greycat | !dst |
| 19:09.17 | dpkg | it has been said that dst is Daylight Savings Time. In US/Europe, clocks "spring forward" 1 hour at 0200 localtime on the FIRST Sunday in April. They "fall back" 1 hour at 0200 localtime on the LAST Sunday in October. Ask me about "est". |
| 19:09.34 | ezerhoden | !est |
| 19:09.35 | dpkg | well, est is Eastern Standard Time, but if you're outside of Indiana you probably need to use EST5EDT instead, or US/Eastern, or (use the tzconfig program to do this) |
| 19:09.42 | dafresh | antgel: i actualy use it, but i would like to try "a real soft" |
| 19:09.43 | fken | ide_core 144888 5 amd74xx,ide_generic,ide_disk,ide_cd,ide_scsi |
| 19:09.45 | delire | !cest |
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| 19:09.49 | amorphix | thanks greycat |
| 19:09.50 | Dawson | erm i cant work my debian partitioner, so is it possible to partition a drive in windows and installing debain on a blank partition? |
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| 19:10.04 | delire | gotcha |
| 19:10.08 | Quibus | cu |
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| 19:10.15 | stew | fken: that says that ide_scsi is using ide_core, you are looking for things that are using ide_scsi |
| 19:10.23 | greycat | back in the potato days, we had HUNDREDS of newbies who had managed to select the "EST" time zone and then twice a year we'd have to spend the whole monday telling them about EST vs. US/Eastern. |
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| 19:10.34 | delire | hehe |
| 19:10.38 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 19:10.46 | delire | greycat: i was one of those people ;) |
| 19:10.46 | fken | ide_scsi 18116 0 |
| 19:10.46 | ircops | hah |
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| 19:10.51 | fken | nothing |
| 19:11.00 | Waggie | greycat: I feel a "when I was your age" moment coming on. :) |
| 19:11.05 | shining | btw I forgot to tell you, its a new laptop with win xp preinstalled, so I've nothing to back up |
| 19:11.08 | fken | so |
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| 19:11.24 | fken | i have no ide_scsi on my etc/module |
| 19:11.29 | Hannibal | right. So now that dhcp and my network card are all functioning... I'm turning my attention to the sound card. It doesn't get detected :( |
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| 19:11.30 | ircops | walking backwards two miles barefoot in the snow uphill everyday to school and back for lunch and back to school after lunch and back home after school |
| 19:11.30 | shining | but thanks for advice, I'll run chkdsk, then search a livecd with qparted |
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| 19:11.41 | delire | those hazy, halcion 'Potato Days' |
| 19:11.42 | Waggie | shining: XP stands for "eXPendable" then, huh? :) |
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| 19:11.51 | fken | is it the only file whih is able to run a module ? |
| 19:11.51 | stew | fken: you have to kill whatever process is keeping that module busy, or reboot |
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| 19:12.06 | stew | fken: no, also hotplug / discover |
| 19:12.09 | amorphix | does anyone ever sampled the old green fairy here |
| 19:12.12 | fken | stew: its what i wanted to do : rebooting |
| 19:12.12 | moparfan90 | hello i am going to try and install debian again soon. i want fluxbox and no gnome at all how do i do this when i up to getting a desktop manager? |
| 19:12.18 | amorphix | (Absinthe) |
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| 19:12.20 | stew | fken: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 19:12.24 | shining | Waggie: I don't exactly know what it stands for me, but I better not tell it |
| 19:12.32 | Waggie | shining: 'qtparted' |
| 19:12.40 | delire | moparfan90: say "No" to 'Desktop Environment' ISTR |
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| 19:12.51 | fken | pci_hotplug 12420 1 shpchp |
| 19:12.55 | fken | no discover |
| 19:13.02 | tom22 | delire: its working (I am nervous:-) |
| 19:13.03 | amorphix | i want one of those clocks that chimes on the hour |
| 19:13.06 | shining | if it was for me, I would install a free os on the whole disk |
| 19:13.07 | stew | fken: /msg dpkg hotplug ; /msg dpkg discover |
| 19:13.08 | delire | tom22: :) |
| 19:13.10 | greycat | moparfan90: the advanced users tend to skip tasksel *entirely* and just apt-get install the things they want. |
| 19:13.16 | amorphix | i wanna sample the chime and use it for my mobile fone |
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| 19:13.24 | stew | fken: hint: they aren't kenrel modules |
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| 19:13.32 | moparfan90 | ?? well im going to install 'testing' and use xorg but last time i did it wouldnt load maybe i vid card but it was detected properly? |
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| 19:13.38 | greycat | moparfan90: apt-get install ssh less build-essential x-window-system-core fluxbox xterm |
| 19:13.54 | delire | moparfan90: and vim |
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| 19:14.12 | moparfan90 | whats ssh, less and vim |
| 19:14.13 | moparfan90 | ? |
| 19:14.15 | moparfan90 | lol |
| 19:14.17 | delire | ouch |
| 19:14.19 | ircops | hehe |
| 19:14.23 | fken | stew: rebooting |
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| 19:14.34 | greycat | oh yes, and vim. and dnsutils. |
| 19:14.40 | stew | screen! |
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| 19:14.42 | takatumi | screen? |
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| 19:14.45 | greycat | and mutt. |
| 19:14.45 | cheal | um, why doesn't firefox 1.0.6 transition to testing? |
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| 19:14.47 | Waggie | screen rules |
| 19:14.49 | delire | moparfan90: don't forget to install 'rubber-chicken'. you might be needing that also. |
| 19:14.52 | klync | hi guys... I'm trying to get *one* unstable pkg on my stable box, and having a bit of a problem... I put APT::Default-Release "stable"; in apt.conf, and, and added a deb source from "testing" .... |
| 19:14.55 | greycat | !why is mozilla-firefox not in testing |
| 19:14.56 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mozilla-firefox |
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| 19:15.05 | delire | greycat: i would say mutt is essential, yes. |
| 19:15.05 | cheal | greycat: can you interpret that too? |
| 19:15.08 | zimnyx | do you know some software for video files?> |
| 19:15.16 | greycat | cheal: *shrug* |
| 19:15.17 | streuner | heh |
| 19:15.17 | moparfan90 | oo i need all that maybe that why it didnt work last time i made 'stable' to 'testing' and then installed xorg, gdm, and gnome that all |
| 19:15.21 | cheal | zimnyx: which video files? vlc? |
| 19:15.27 | greycat | zimnyx: to do what to them? |
| 19:15.35 | streuner | zimnyx: vlc, mplayer, xine? |
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| 19:15.50 | zimnyx | convert between avi, mpeg, compress avi. |
| 19:15.56 | greycat | moparfan90: yes, you'll need x-window-system-core at least. |
| 19:16.01 | moparfan90 | can someone PM me a list of stuff i need to install please i want flux box and not gnome |
| 19:16.07 | greycat | zimnyx: transcode, video-dvdrip, etc. |
| 19:16.08 | cheal | klync: you understand that testing isn't unstable, right? |
| 19:16.11 | delire | moparfan90: well you don't need vim, mutt, ssh or screen to have x-windows with fluxbox |
| 19:16.12 | klync | so, problem is, I did a update & upgrade, and everything was fine, but when I changed my deb source from testing to unstable (the version I wanted from testing was too old), it now wants to upgrade 45 pkgs... anyone able to give any clues why? |
| 19:16.16 | klync | cheal: yes |
| 19:16.20 | ilpavox | is ipw2200 included with the debian install dvd? |
| 19:16.22 | greycat | zimnyx: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 19:16.27 | greycat | ilpavox: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 19:16.35 | cheal | klync: you don't have to apt-get upgrade |
| 19:16.39 | moparfan90 | is x-windows thing xorg or xfree86? |
| 19:16.40 | delire | klync: it's a whole new repository. |
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| 19:16.44 | zimnyx | greycat, streuner: thanks |
| 19:17.01 | cheal | !x windows |
| 19:17.01 | dpkg | It's X dammit! A) The X Window System. B) X |
| 19:17.03 | streuner | moparfan90: in sarge xfree |
| 19:17.11 | tom22 | delire: thx a lot I just retrive the data. this was very important. thx from my wife too. it her mac :-) |
| 19:17.11 | amorphix | do you guys know if Gopher is still used? |
| 19:17.12 | moparfan90 | ok |
| 19:17.15 | delire | moparfan90: just grab xorg and this will pull down x-window-system |
| 19:17.18 | streuner | moparfan90: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:17.21 | cheal | anyone else can interpret why firefox doesn't transition to testing? |
| 19:17.25 | greycat | amorphix: *someone* probably uses it. |
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| 19:17.28 | amorphix | who remembers using Gopher |
| 19:17.31 | streuner | moparfan90: xorg is also avaiable |
| 19:17.31 | cheal | amorphix: hah. ask wikipedia |
| 19:17.32 | moparfan90 | can someone PM a list of what i need please so i can write it down |
| 19:17.32 | amorphix | :D |
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| 19:17.38 | klync | cheal, delire: I wanted to do "upgrade" to ensure nothing was changing unintentionally, and, lo, 45 pkgs are, even though my Default-Release is still "stable", and I've never forced-override or "pinned" anything yet |
| 19:17.39 | delire | tom22: hey no problem. glad i can help. make sure you add these modules to /etc/modules so you can do this again. |
| 19:17.41 | greycat | moparfan90: no. /lastlog it. |
| 19:17.43 | moparfan90 | whats better xorg or xfree86 |
| 19:17.50 | delire | tom22: .. at a later date i mean.. |
| 19:17.51 | greycat | moparfan90: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 19:17.52 | stew | cheal: its not built on ARM yet |
| 19:17.57 | greycat | moparfan90: and see the FAQ too. |
| 19:17.57 | streuner | moparfan90: xfree is well tested |
| 19:18.05 | klync | amorphix: lol.. once |
| 19:18.06 | cheal | klync: yes, that's strange... |
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| 19:18.09 | delire | moparfan90: you won't be able to sarge and xorg. |
| 19:18.25 | greycat | delire: wrong. /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 19:18.29 | cheal | stew: ah ok, it was built only yesterday...I get it now |
| 19:18.30 | delire | hah really? |
| 19:18.32 | moparfan90 | does anyone know if xfree86 support nvidia GeFource FX 5200 vid car? |
| 19:18.43 | EdgEy | moparfan90, should do |
| 19:18.44 | greycat | moparfan90: oh, you're one of THOSE. |
| 19:18.48 | greycat | moparfan90: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:18.48 | stew | cheal: http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=arm&pkg=mozilla-firefox |
| 19:18.52 | delire | greycat: news to me. excellent. |
| 19:18.52 | fken | stew : good new : ide_scsi has been removed : ... and something like 5 seconds after i tried a lsmod | grep ide and ide_scsi was still here |
| 19:18.58 | EdgEy | lol |
| 19:18.59 | cheal | stew: yeah that's what told me |
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| 19:19.07 | fken | hotplug is on my computer |
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| 19:19.32 | valdyn | fken: define "removed" |
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| 19:19.41 | stew | fken: i don't know if hotplug / discover would be the cause, did you blacklist it? |
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| 19:19.54 | fken | valdyn: Ades:/home/fken# modprobe -r ide_scsi |
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| 19:20.07 | valdyn | fken: modprobe -r removed it? |
| 19:20.07 | moparfan90 | will i have to do that or will xfree86 do that automaicly |
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| 19:20.09 | fken | hum whats that ? |
| 19:20.13 | greycat | moparfan90: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:20.20 | greycat | does that LOOK automatic to you? |
| 19:20.27 | moparfan90 | nope |
| 19:20.29 | possie_ | is there away to get debian 3.0.20+ with debian stable, cause there is a bug in the stable debian release 3.0.14a-13 :-( |
| 19:20.41 | moparfan90 | i have to do all that maybe that why my thing was messed up last time |
| 19:20.41 | cheal | could you cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:20.47 | moparfan90 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.49 | greycat | possie_: uh... what? |
| 19:20.51 | drac | possie_: excuse me? |
| 19:21.08 | possie_ | greycat: samba 3.0.14a-3 has a bug incombination with OSX 10.4 (tiger) |
| 19:21.10 | greycat | 14a sounds like samba. |
| 19:21.24 | possie_ | sorry samba |
| 19:21.24 | possie_ | whoops |
| 19:21.29 | greycat | !info samba sid |
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| 19:21.35 | Hannibal | hrm. Would I be correct in supposing there are no drivers AT ALL for a CMI / CMedia 9980 integrated sound card? |
| 19:21.38 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.14a-6 (sid), Packaged size: 2463 kB, Installed size: 6392 kB |
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| 19:21.48 | delire | Hannibal: there are drivers |
| 19:22.00 | greycat | possie_: you'd have to build it yourself, and it won't be supported here after you do so (but #samba might love you) |
| 19:22.06 | delire | Hannibal: see alsa-project.org and search for that card. |
| 19:22.25 | Hannibal | delire: I tried a google search on the model using site:alsa-project.org |
| 19:22.31 | Hannibal | no relevant pages came up |
| 19:22.49 | moparfan90 | when that thing says " apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && ...." do i type the &&???? |
| 19:22.50 | delire | Hannibal: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-C-Media#matrix |
| 19:22.58 | cheal | klync: could you cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:23.04 | delire | Hannibal: module name is 'cmi8330' |
| 19:23.06 | greycat | hmm, 3.0.20 eh? maybe I need that for HP-UX too. The nightly "restart smbd" cron job doesn't seem to be sufficient. |
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| 19:23.14 | Hannibal | delire: and that supports the 9980 as well? |
| 19:23.17 | greycat | moparfan90: yes |
| 19:23.20 | moparfan90 | ok |
| 19:23.22 | cheal | moparfan90: if you don't paste it |
| 19:23.22 | delire | Hannibal: i believe so. |
| 19:23.24 | Hannibal | (as in, how can you tell?) |
| 19:23.30 | Hannibal | I see. |
| 19:23.31 | delire | Hannibal: see #alsa |
| 19:23.32 | possie_ | greycat: :-) is there perhaps a way to get the ./configure from my current package, so i can be compatible as far as i can be? |
| 19:23.32 | fken | so |
| 19:23.37 | xdumped | ç |
| 19:23.37 | fken | see ya all |
| 19:23.44 | moparfan90 | how can i paste it when im installing |
| 19:23.46 | moparfan90 | lol |
| 19:23.50 | Hannibal | delire: thanks, I'll bug them for the rest of it. |
| 19:23.56 | greycat | possie_: you could grab the diff.gz file from the packages.debian.org/samba page and then read it (the debian/rules part) |
| 19:24.14 | delire | Hannibal: ok. check you have it with 'modprobe -l | grep cmi8330' then 'modinfo cmi8330' for information. |
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| 19:24.23 | greycat | assuming debian/rules actually runs ./configure for that package |
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| 19:24.55 | klync | cheal: // local customizations |
| 19:24.55 | klync | APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 19:24.59 | klync | APT::Cache-Limit "25165824"; |
| 19:25.17 | Hannibal | delire: I don't have it :( |
| 19:25.19 | greycat | http://us3.samba.org/samba/ftp/samba-3.0.20.tar.gz 15:25:04 ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 19:25.22 | greycat | cute. |
| 19:25.26 | Thanatermesis | su |
| 19:25.28 | Thanatermesis | sudo: unable to lookup donkey.localhost via gethostbyname() |
| 19:25.30 | Thanatermesis | this is normal ? |
| 19:25.35 | cheal | klync: which packages would apt-get upgrade upgrade? perhaps just mention one |
| 19:25.45 | delire | Hannibal: hmm.. you may need to compile it. compiled modules or a kernel before? |
| 19:25.59 | Hannibal | delire: I compiled a driver for my network card |
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| 19:26.05 | Hannibal | delire: otherwise, no. |
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| 19:26.10 | klync | cheal: well, I wouldn't be so concerned if it wasn't packages such as... <drumroll> libstdc++5 |
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| 19:26.12 | moparfan90 | that thing said " Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>" whats that mean? |
| 19:26.14 | moparfan90 | ? |
| 19:26.20 | Hannibal | delire: that was mostly done by the automated install script, though |
| 19:26.23 | greycat | moparfan90: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 19:26.26 | possie_ | greycat: thanks for the info |
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| 19:26.41 | klync | cheal: I'm trying to use dpkg -p or -s to figure out why it wants to upgrade them, but to no avail |
| 19:26.42 | Hannibal | I have, if that gives any credit, compiled mozilla suite on a windows box with cygwin :P |
| 19:26.45 | cheal | klync: what about $ apt-cache policy libstdc++5 |
| 19:26.55 | xdumped | echo /notice xwolf yuh |
| 19:26.57 | Hannibal | (which as most people who've done it would tell you, takes more than a smile) |
| 19:27.04 | delire | Hannibal: hehe |
| 19:27.29 | pinko | So... ugly new debian-fetish xmms skin installed itself this morning |
| 19:27.31 | Hannibal | anywho, I'm still pretty much a linux newb. Oh wait, you could tell. :X |
| 19:27.37 | pinko | anybody know anything about this? |
| 19:27.41 | delire | Hannibal: well first find out in #alsa and via google if cmipci and cmi8330 support your card specifically. then look into this option asking for help here if you need it. |
| 19:27.58 | Hannibal | delire: okay :) |
| 19:27.58 | streuner | pinko: heh, check this out 1001winampskins.com |
| 19:28.00 | possie_ | greycat: ow one last thing, i can best me a package from it right? so the dpkg will know i have samba 3.0.20 installed right? |
| 19:28.07 | mernil | ffs .. a nick called hannibal .. is that your real name? |
| 19:28.15 | delire | Hannibal: nothing wrong with being a Linux newb (you've sure picked the distro to learn alot). |
| 19:28.19 | klync | cheal: ty... indeed, it wants to jump to an unstable version... I'm starting to suspect I might've installed something from testing/unstable a long time ago, and this is a dependency |
| 19:28.36 | cheal | klync: what's your current version? |
| 19:28.38 | greycat | possie_: no, it will be totally unknown to dpkg |
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| 19:28.53 | cmdKeen | when trying to upgrade udev (0.056-3 -> 0.068-2) from official testing repository, dpkg says it require kernel 2.6.12 but newest kernel in testing repository is 2.6.8... is this user error, or... ? |
| 19:28.56 | greycat | possie_: that's why I checked for samba in sid, to see if a backport might be the thing to try. but sid doesn't have it either. |
| 19:28.57 | klync | cheal: shall I join flood? |
| 19:29.09 | cheal | cmdKeen: 2.6.12 is in testing |
| 19:29.18 | cheal | klync: I'm there |
| 19:29.30 | Hannibal | mernil: no. Unlike fools, I prefer not to use my rl name on the net unless necessary. |
| 19:29.35 | pinko | streuner: website not working, though from other links it appears to exist. |
| 19:29.36 | greycat | cmdKeen: linux-image not kernel-image. just because. |
| 19:29.41 | greycat | cmdKeen: and yes, this breaks shitloads of stuff. |
| 19:29.59 | Hannibal | mernil: if you never had any history concerning the romans, google for 'Scipio carthago' |
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| 19:30.29 | greycat | mernil: is "mernil" your real name? |
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| 19:30.58 | EdgEy | mernil: do you think 90% of the nicknames in here are real? |
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| 19:31.13 | EdgEy | hi my name's Alpha Omega, nice to meet you :) |
| 19:31.14 | streuner | pinko: it changed to http://www1.1001skins.com/ |
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| 19:31.25 | cheal | klync: your problem with that package, and presumably others, is that your version is more recent than stable's, so unless you put them on hold, they'll ignore the stable "upgrade path" and go to unstable (assuming there are no pins) |
| 19:31.40 | moparfan90 | how do i edit the sources.list without being in a desktop manager? console? |
| 19:31.57 | greycat | moparfan90: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:31.59 | tarzeau | moparfan90: emacs? mcedit? |
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| 19:32.14 | greycat | ${EDITOR:-editor} /etc/apt/sources.list # ;-) |
| 19:32.17 | tarzeau | cat also works and sed too |
| 19:32.21 | klync | cheal: gotcha... thanks for showing me how to diagnose this.... I'll have to think about it, but I might just cross my fingers and let it go.... |
| 19:32.25 | cheal | tarzeau: hah |
| 19:32.28 | tarzeau | i've even used echo |
| 19:32.29 | streuner | pinko: btw, xmms supports version 2 only NOT version 3 |
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| 19:32.38 | tarzeau | or telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 19:32.38 | moparfan90 | but dont you need to be in gnome or something to use that? |
| 19:32.46 | greycat | moparfan90: fuck no. |
| 19:32.48 | tarzeau | cheal: you're laughing, but these are all tools i've used to edit files |
| 19:32.59 | greycat | moparfan90: what do you think this is, Windows? |
| 19:33.00 | moparfan90 | oo |
| 19:33.01 | streuner | tarzeau: LTNS |
| 19:33.10 | moparfan90 | lol |
| 19:33.11 | tarzeau | !LTNS |
| 19:33.14 | dpkg | i guess ltns is long time no see |
| 19:33.19 | fken | stew : i think ide_scsi cant be removed because SATA disk need it |
| 19:33.20 | cmdKeen | greycat: oh... I am confused, but thanks. |
| 19:33.22 | Gnea | mernil: pardon? |
| 19:33.36 | cheal | tarzeau: but I don't think moparfan90 showed his geek badge :) |
| 19:33.43 | pinko | streuner: I guess making an exact clone of a windows app does have its benefits. |
| 19:33.43 | greycat | cmdKeen: a lot of people are confused by the arbitrary and pointless name change from kernel-image-foo to linux-image-foo. |
| 19:33.45 | fken | stew : msg tail | -> isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sr0, iso_blknum=16, block=16 |
| 19:33.47 | Gnea | mernil: ðTEð [11:59AM] Public: <mernil[#debian]> go fuck a duck Gnea |
| 19:33.50 | moparfan90 | i HATE windows so much with big letters.... my dad has windows and when i have to use his computer it take 5 min to turn on 2 min to open IE and everything else |
| 19:33.56 | greycat | cmdKeen: even worse, all our factoids that say "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" break as well. |
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| 19:34.20 | streuner | pinko: i don't like version 3 skins, just find it out for yourself... |
| 19:34.27 | cheal | klync: the risk with this is that one suck package that wants to upgrade brings others to sid by dependencies and exponentially gets your system closer to sid |
| 19:34.48 | cheal | s/suck/such |
| 19:34.51 | Gnea | mernil: i'm sorry, my feces ended up in your cereal how? |
| 19:34.54 | streuner | pinko: freeamp has similar skins... |
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| 19:35.09 | moparfan90 | so i type editor /etc/apt/sources.list ?? |
| 19:35.13 | stew | fken: i don't believe the sata requires ide_scsi ; did you try blacklisting it? |
| 19:35.14 | fken | greycat: where is stew ? |
| 19:35.18 | cheal | moparfan90: yes |
| 19:35.25 | Gnea | moparfan90: whatever editor you prefer to use, yeah |
| 19:35.27 | fken | greycat:nothing sorry |
| 19:35.42 | fken | stew: i dunno how to do it |
| 19:35.45 | tarzeau | moparfan90: it's not faster with kde or gnome |
| 19:36.00 | stew | fken: i've told you multiple times... |
| 19:36.01 | tarzeau | Gnea: just not openoffice, right? |
| 19:36.14 | greycat | 14:51 * greycat hands stew an /ignore fken |
| 19:36.22 | Gnea | tarzeau: that is teh sux |
| 19:36.44 | tarzeau | moparfan90: more like $EDITOR |
| 19:36.46 | klync | cheal: true... I get the feeling you might know a quick command to help me pin them so they don't go any higher until stable passes their current versions, or something explicitly needs a higher version... but I didn't bother to ask, b/c you've been so helpful so far; didn't want to push my luck |
| 19:36.59 | greycat | tarzeau: I doubt he's set that. |
| 19:37.10 | greycat | ${EDITOR:-editor} as I mentioned earlier. |
| 19:37.12 | cheal | klync: hehe. ask dpkg about hold |
| 19:37.20 | tarzeau | greycat: as long as the file he wants to edit isn't called rm -rf / .. no problem, right? |
| 19:37.22 | fken | stew: i know but i didnt understood what you meant |
| 19:37.24 | tarzeau | streuner: true, hi ;) |
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| 19:37.34 | Thanatermesis | I trying to use TALK or WRITE... but only works in TTY terminals... any way to use in X terminals ? |
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| 19:38.12 | greycat | tarzeau: $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list would probably give something like bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied which might be confusing. |
| 19:38.19 | moparfan90 | ok after i get all the nvidia stuff installed what else do i need? |
| 19:38.31 | Zero_Kelvin | Hiyo! "And it's just coming up on 5:43 in the Ay-Em here in Ipswich. The birds are chirping, the sun is, sort of, shining, and I'm wishing I'd stayed in bed longer..." :) |
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| 19:38.51 | cmdKeen | greycat: oh.. so why has it been changed when it does so many troubles ? |
| 19:38.51 | tarzeau | moparfan90: use the nv or vesa driver |
| 19:38.58 | tarzeau | moparfan90: and play nethack |
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| 19:39.01 | fken | stew:i thought you were saying to me that i could inform myself on the blacklisted software or something like that |
| 19:39.10 | Zero_Kelvin | Wondering if there's a web site where I can see when Debian packages are roughly planned on being released. |
| 19:39.13 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: it must just work |
| 19:39.22 | moparfan90 | tarzeau, whats that? what are you talkin about |
| 19:39.23 | vmx | can i remove packages and install new ones at once to met dependencies? |
| 19:39.27 | greycat | Zero_Kelvin: plan? |
| 19:39.30 | snail | does anyone know of a ipr snake-oil forum? |
| 19:39.39 | greycat | vmx: you can try. |
| 19:39.42 | Thanatermesis | thanatermesis@elive[~]$ talk hope |
| 19:39.42 | Thanatermesis | new_user: bad host: 'donkey.localhost' |
| 19:39.43 | tarzeau | moparfan90: what nvidia stuff are you talking about? video? network? sound? |
| 19:39.45 | Thanatermesis | this is normal tarzeau ? |
| 19:39.50 | greycat | vmx: apt-get install foo bar loser- other-loser- |
| 19:39.52 | moparfan90 | vid |
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| 19:40.12 | fken | stew : ? |
| 19:40.15 | tarzeau | moparfan90: you want to play 3d games, fast? |
| 19:40.30 | Lorvija | hey guys.. how do i enable highmem? i tried /msg dpkg highmem but it just points me to weird german archive... |
| 19:40.36 | moparfan90 | yes |
| 19:40.42 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: what? something's badly wrong if someone manages to not get talk/write working in a xterm |
| 19:40.44 | greycat | (yes, this means apt can't handle a package that ends with a -) |
| 19:40.45 | veleno | should i use "localized" or "localised" if writing in english (not american) style? (i don't know those details...) |
| 19:40.47 | Gnea | Lorvija: it's a kernel option |
| 19:40.51 | fken | !blacklisting |
| 19:41.03 | Lorvija | Gnea okay so i need to compile the kernel? :E |
| 19:41.07 | greycat | veleno: US = z, GB = s |
| 19:41.10 | Gnea | Lorvija: yeah |
| 19:41.15 | tarzeau | moparfan90: my suggestion was to not bother, but play some fun text mode game instead with the slow nvidia graphic drivers... |
| 19:41.17 | Lorvija | gah :/ okay thanks Gnea |
| 19:41.18 | fken | !blacklist |
| 19:41.18 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 19:41.19 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.20 | Gnea | Lorvija: you've done that before? |
| 19:41.21 | veleno | greycat: oh... ok :-) that is easy |
| 19:41.21 | sussudio | ... |
| 19:41.26 | Zero_Kelvin | greycat: Yeah like, with things like KDE's update in Debian unstable to GCC 4 and various packages needing to be updated to use the 3.4.2 versions, and stuff like Daapd suddenly disappearing and only showing up in AMD-64 - when will it be back in i386? |
| 19:41.28 | sussudio | wtf is ntpdate using 98% cpu for |
| 19:41.32 | Lorvija | Gnea well not the debian way.. and only once succeeded.. (: |
| 19:41.36 | moparfan90 | oo |
| 19:41.42 | stew | Lorvija: what kernel are you running now? |
| 19:41.49 | Gnea | Lorvija: try it a few more times - i know, it's a pita |
| 19:41.51 | greycat | Zero_Kelvin: whenever someone uploads it and it builds successfully. |
| 19:41.55 | vmx | greycat, but i also need to remove packages as they conflict |
| 19:41.56 | Lorvija | stew 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:41.58 | klync | sussudio: is your TZ set to "timecube"? |
| 19:41.59 | tarzeau | Zero_Kelvin: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:42.05 | Lorvija | Gnea yep gotta try.. =) thanks |
| 19:42.07 | sussudio | meh |
| 19:42.22 | greycat | sussudio: bizarre. |
| 19:42.23 | Gnea | Lorvija: good luck :) |
| 19:42.27 | moparfan90 | other then fluxbox what else do i need? |
| 19:42.31 | stew | Lorvija: yeah you have to recompile if you are on sarge or upgrade to 2.6.12 on etch/sid |
| 19:42.33 | Zero_Kelvin | greycat: Tah. |
| 19:42.46 | Lorvija | btw someone might want to update that /msg dpkg highmem topic (: a bit outdated.. the link i mean |
| 19:42.48 | stew | Lorvija: the current etch/sid kernel has it enabled by default but not 2.6.8-2 |
| 19:42.50 | Thanatermesis | tarzeau Im in a ssh conection with a person... how to posilbe talk with this person in a very secure mode ? talk aparently not works :/ another idea ? without using a server ? |
| 19:42.51 | Gnea | sid is teh broke |
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| 19:43.06 | sussudio | Gnea: thank you, captain obvious. |
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| 19:43.11 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: shared gnu "screen" ? |
| 19:43.13 | Gnea | Thanatermesis: ytalk |
| 19:43.14 | Lorvija | stew okay so i get the 2.6.8 sources etc? |
| 19:43.14 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: local irc server? |
| 19:43.20 | Gnea | sussudio: *tips hat* |
| 19:43.28 | stew | Lorvija: yeah /msg dpkg kp |
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| 19:43.36 | Lorvija | stew sure, thanks |
| 19:43.44 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: echo text >> "/tmp/talk" and tail -f /tmp/talk & |
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| 19:44.17 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: the possibilities are endless. see also mesg and echo text > `tty`of-other-person |
| 19:44.26 | fken | !blacklist |
| 19:44.26 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 19:44.36 | moparfan90 | is the fluxbox package called fluxbox/ |
| 19:44.37 | moparfan90 | ? |
| 19:44.38 | moparfan90 | ? |
| 19:44.49 | nkuttler | moparfan90: apt-cache search pattern |
| 19:44.50 | prjktdtnt | when using apt-get is it standard not to be able to varify the unstable packages? |
| 19:44.58 | delire | hmm wmii |
| 19:45.54 | madclicker | i have a strange issue, i installed a package, when I start the program through /etc/init.d/progname it works fine but if i addoptions to the program eihter in /etc/default or /etc/init.d/progname it crashes. When running the programe from a shell prompt with same options it works like a charm. |
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| 19:46.50 | Thanatermesis | thanks tarzeau ... I try with your idea to make a script for talk :) |
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| 19:47.25 | stew | prjktdtnt: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 19:47.28 | stew | (i think) |
| 19:47.30 | klync | madclicker: are you editing the conf file with some weird editor that might be adding special characters, or omitting proper unix linebreaks? |
| 19:47.34 | tarzeau | madclicker: which program/package? |
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| 19:47.47 | moparfan90 | in cfdisk how do i change the size of the partition? |
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| 19:47.58 | tarzeau | moparfan90: delete the partiotn, create it again with a new size |
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| 19:48.12 | stew | moparfan90: that is a destructive operation, btw |
| 19:48.14 | tarzeau | moparfan90: or use parted |
| 19:48.34 | prjktdtnt | using apt-get or dpkg how do you completely purge a package (config and all) of the removed packages? |
| 19:48.39 | moparfan90 | im not doin that that will delete my data |
| 19:48.50 | tarzeau | moparfan90: who sait, it won't |
| 19:49.02 | tarzeau | prjktdtnt: --purge |
| 19:49.09 | moparfan90 | you sure |
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| 19:49.34 | prjktdtnt | tarzeau: dpkg --purge? |
| 19:49.35 | vmx | greycat, thanks i haven't seen the "-" at the end of the packagenames |
| 19:49.35 | sgeigerbot | What's the way to access a cvs repository on the local filesystem (without using ssh, like this: export CVS_RSH=ssh; export CVSROOT=":ext:sgeiger@ ... " ) ? |
| 19:49.37 | madclicker | klync: vim |
| 19:49.42 | Zero_Kelvin | Anyone ever thought of having a kind of weblog-package tracker for package maintainers and programmers to connect to and share the current status of different software? Kind of like sourceforge but just for debian stuff? I've seen the technical package listing pages on debian.org with all the package info, package problems, bug reports, blah blah... but what about where people can actually talk and share info in a semi-formal blog- |
| 19:49.51 | stew | !faq prjktdtnt PackageManagement |
| 19:49.52 | dpkg | prjktdtnt PackageManagement: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:49.56 | tarzeau | prjktdtnt: yes |
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| 19:49.59 | kombi_ | on sarge, ssh does not seem to listen on 22, what is the deal? |
| 19:50.04 | prjktdtnt | stew: thx |
| 19:50.10 | tarzeau | kombi_: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 19:50.15 | tarzeau | kombi_: did you tell it to be started? |
| 19:50.23 | kombi_ | yip.. |
| 19:50.24 | madclicker | tarzeau: tmda 1.04, it works on other distros fine but on sarge its doing this wiered staff |
| 19:50.31 | tarzeau | kombi_: well it does, here |
| 19:50.32 | stew | sgeigerbot: CVSROOT=/path/to/cvsroot iirc |
| 19:50.33 | moparfan90 | ok well if i crash i know who to blame |
| 19:50.34 | moparfan90 | lol |
| 19:50.38 | moparfan90 | i dont care any way |
| 19:50.42 | sgeigerbot | stew: thanks. |
| 19:50.46 | moparfan90 | by doing to install debaind |
| 19:50.49 | moparfan90 | debian? |
| 19:50.51 | tarzeau | madclicker: is this a official debian package? |
| 19:50.51 | moparfan90 | ** |
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| 19:51.12 | kombi_ | tarzeau: usually the start script is nicely installed by apt-get, should that have failed.. |
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| 19:51.21 | sgeigerbot | stew: That can't be, though. You would have to set CVS_RSH to something other than 'ssh' |
| 19:51.39 | madclicker | tarzeau: uh-huh |
| 19:51.54 | tarzeau | madclicker: what's the package name in debian ? |
| 19:51.55 | prjktdtnt | bows thanks oh ye experts |
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| 19:51.57 | fken | stew : since i add ide_scsi to blacklist, the scd0 works |
| 19:51.58 | stew | sgeigerbot: CVS_RSH is only if you are using :ext: i believe, and btw you don't need to bother with CVS_RSH on debian systems unless you actually have the rsh alternative pointing to rsh and not ssh |
| 19:51.58 | tarzeau | madclicker: i'd check the BTS |
| 19:52.00 | fas3r | hi all |
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| 19:52.20 | madclicker | tarzeau: tmda and python tmda |
| 19:52.29 | cmdKeen | kernel-image won't upgrade anymore when there is linux-image ? |
| 19:52.30 | sgeigerbot | stew: well, I'm still getting prompted for a password. |
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| 19:52.47 | stew | sgeigerbot: i'll test it here in a sec |
| 19:52.48 | greycat | cmdKeen: pick one. |
| 19:52.49 | kombi_ | tarzeau: found it.. |
| 19:53.02 | madclicker | tarzeau: why would the program work from a shell but not from init.d ? |
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| 19:53.24 | sgeigerbot | stew: ok, thanks. |
| 19:53.25 | greycat | cmdKeen: usually you are forced to choose linux-image-2.6.12+ by virtue of having installed udev, unless you're careful enough not to have installed udev at all. |
| 19:53.26 | fas3r | with iptables if i make two ethernet card , one for input and one for output , for configure one by one card i make postrouting and prerouting rules ? |
| 19:53.32 | Zero_Kelvin | A triple layer communication system combining IRC - instant communication now - with a blog style forum and "tie-ins" to the package database and bug reporting systems. {shrug} |
| 19:53.36 | tarzeau | madclicker: there can be many reasons for this |
| 19:53.43 | madclicker | tarzeau, BTS ? |
| 19:53.46 | greycat | (or unless you use 2.4.x) |
| 19:53.52 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 19:53.53 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 19:54.14 | tarzeau | madclicker: i like to run stuff in a screen from initd or cron |
| 19:54.19 | greycat | "Unstable users are required to check..."?? |
| 19:54.24 | greycat | where's the smiting? the blood? |
| 19:54.25 | tarzeau | madclicker: so you can reattach to whatever shit the thing is doing |
| 19:54.27 | kenboo | sgeigerbot, cvs -d /path/to/the/cvsroot co blah |
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| 19:54.40 | greycat | !factinfo BTS |
| 19:54.40 | dpkg | bts -- last modified at Sun Sep 4 12:12:33 2005 by azeem!n=mbanck@proxy-out.lrz-muenchen.de; it has been requested 53 times, last by tarzeau, 48s ago. |
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| 19:54.54 | madclicker | tarzeau: how do i do that? |
| 19:54.58 | tarzeau | greycat: looks like it was "censored/removed" |
| 19:55.06 | chx | I fucked up things major. How could I instruct apt to reinstall... hm, every package ? |
| 19:55.09 | cmdKeen | greycat: I'd like to, but I am using fglrx packages which aren't linux-image compatible (afaik) |
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| 19:55.25 | tarzeau | madclicker: screen -dmS name /bin/program |
| 19:55.35 | stew | sgeigerbot: cvs -d /tmp/foo init ; CVSROOT=/tmp/foo cvs co . ; <- works |
| 19:55.39 | zuralin | chx, the same way you tell windows to |
| 19:55.47 | sgeigerbot | stew: ok. |
| 19:55.55 | sgeigerbot | kenboo: thanks, too |
| 19:56.00 | sgeigerbot | stew: thanks |
| 19:56.08 | madclicker | tarzeau, this would show me what a program is doing as it starts from init.d? |
| 19:56.12 | greycat | cmdKeen: HUGE mistake. are you sure x.org doesn't support your ATI card already? |
| 19:56.19 | stew | sgeigerbot: make sure that CVSROOT isn't already set or that you don't already have a CVS/Root file that is pointing to :ext: |
| 19:56.20 | tarzeau | chx: tell us the details of your major fucked up things. reinstall all packages is not likely to fix your problem |
| 19:56.24 | fken | hello greycat |
| 19:56.26 | gaw | hi, it is the first time I try to install a software raid 1 with sarge. What have I do first, configure the raid or create the partitions? |
| 19:56.28 | chx | tarzeau: /usr/lib is empty |
| 19:56.29 | sgeigerbot | stew: ah, I bet I needed to change more than the environement variable. I needed to change a file... |
| 19:56.30 | tarzeau | madclicker: no, it would start it in a screen |
| 19:56.38 | tarzeau | madclicker: but later you'd do screen -ls and screen -x |
| 19:56.44 | tarzeau | chx: poor you |
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| 19:56.46 | stew | sgeigerbot: yeah, look at CVS/Root those need to be replaced everywhere |
| 19:56.53 | XFlame | Exists some tool as Dreamweaver for Linux? If yes. which? |
| 19:56.54 | tarzeau | chx: i've made /etc empty once, and /bin |
| 19:57.01 | chx | tarzeau: heh /etc lives on |
| 19:57.05 | tarzeau | XFlame: no |
| 19:57.09 | naddar | anyone have experience with pinie |
| 19:57.11 | naddar | pine |
| 19:57.11 | Hannibal | delire: okay... I tried to follow their instructions (get alsa-source to rebuild the libraries, and read the README.Debian file on how to do so) |
| 19:57.14 | streuner | XFlame: try composer |
| 19:57.16 | delire | XFlame: try quanta, or bluefish. my girlfriend swears by them and does excellent work. |
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| 19:57.22 | tarzeau | naddar: many , probably |
| 19:57.23 | delire | Hannibal: good |
| 19:57.30 | cmdKeen | greycat: wow, I haven't even noticed x.org moved to testing... cool. But is the xorg driver as fast as fglrx ? someone says its not so iam unsure about that. |
| 19:57.33 | fken | greycat: just a question about you : are you english or american ? |
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| 19:57.38 | Hannibal | delire: make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot modules-image |
| 19:57.39 | naddar | tarzeau: can you help me out with configure it |
| 19:57.39 | Hannibal | fails. |
| 19:57.45 | naddar | i can't find where to add my username |
| 19:57.45 | tarzeau | naddar: no way |
| 19:57.58 | Gil | can anyone tell me what the debian package maintainers use to notify themselves when an application is updated, and therefore needs a new package? |
| 19:58.00 | stew | sgeigerbot: find /path -path "*CVS/Root" -exec echo "/path/to/cvsrepo" > {} \; |
| 19:58.01 | Hannibal | configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel. |
| 19:58.13 | Hannibal | delire: any suggestions on how I'd fix that? :( |
| 19:58.15 | madclicker | tarzeau: am not catching it, the program works fine from /bin/program -options:port, but when it starts with init.d it wont start with any options |
| 19:58.25 | tarzeau | Gil: that is individual |
| 19:58.26 | naddar | tarzeau: just tell me where to add it :( |
| 19:58.27 | delire | Hannibal: it likely wants alsa support as modules and not built in? |
| 19:58.29 | greycat | cmdKeen: dunno. you can try. |
| 19:58.43 | delire | Hannibal: a bit annoying. really if i were you o |
| 19:58.44 | tarzeau | Gil: there is some tool to track it, some do it manually, some wait for wishlist bugs, some don't ... |
| 19:58.47 | Gil | tarzeau I was told that there was a system they use that monitors and automatically notifies them |
| 19:58.47 | cmdKeen | greycat: I will, thanks for info. |
| 19:58.51 | greycat | cmdKeen: it's sure faster than xfree86-without-fglrx. and fglrx is SUCH a piece of shit that you want to get the hell away from it as fast as possible. |
| 19:58.57 | tarzeau | naddar: i don't know, i don't like/use pine |
| 19:59.10 | naddar | tarzeau: whats a other good program then |
| 19:59.12 | tarzeau | naddar: why are you fixated on pine? |
| 19:59.21 | Gil | tarzeau do you have any links to that tool? |
| 19:59.21 | tarzeau | naddar: i like GNUMail(.app) |
| 19:59.22 | cmdKeen | greycat: piece of shit in which way ? |
| 19:59.33 | greycat | you have to ASK? |
| 19:59.34 | naddar | tarzeau: is it easy? |
| 19:59.39 | delire | Hannibal: .. i'd build modules from the kernel source, along with a kernel. but that's just me.. |
| 19:59.40 | Hannibal | delire: if you were me then...? |
| 19:59.41 | tarzeau | Gil: i've made one for myself, dh-make will create a template when you make a package |
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| 19:59.44 | Hannibal | ah. |
| 19:59.49 | tarzeau | naddar: it's graphical |
| 19:59.57 | Hannibal | delire: without using make-kpkg, you mean? |
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| 20:00.10 | naddar | but then i can't access it from a windows or .... |
| 20:00.12 | XFlame | streuner, delire Been thankful |
| 20:00.20 | naddar | tarzeau: but then i can't access it from a windows or .... |
| 20:00.35 | tarzeau | naddar: i've seen x window servers and vnc for on windows |
| 20:00.40 | Gil | tarzeau I'm more interested in a structure that isn't necessarily debian-specific, to look at the source for a project I'm working on |
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| 20:01.10 | delire | Hannibal: sadly it's late here. i have to shoot. ask others here nicely as to what they'd suggest... your problem perhaps is that alsa support needs to be in the kernel .config as modules for kpackage to build against. |
| 20:01.22 | EdgEy | anyone know why my users/who might be broken? they both return nothing |
| 20:01.24 | cmdKeen | greycat: but yes, i've planned getting it to the hell when xorg moves to testing, so it's time to say bye bye fglrx... but I don't think it is SUCH shit. It helped me a lot when started with debian and Flavio surely spend much time on it.... |
| 20:01.32 | delire | Hannibal: currently it seems support is built into the kernel itself.. |
| 20:01.36 | naddar | tarzeau: ic |
| 20:01.43 | Hannibal | delire: I see. |
| 20:02.04 | delire | Hannibal: a bit boring ;) |
| 20:02.35 | delire | Hannibal: but then again, debian itself needs to be massaged to be a complete desktop OS. all part of the fun ;) |
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| 20:03.26 | Hannibal | okay, so I'll need to either build the kernel myself, or somehow alter the config file used by make-kpkg |
| 20:03.30 | Hannibal | is the latter possible? |
| 20:03.37 | Hannibal | it'd seem that's a whole lot easier :) |
| 20:03.54 | greycat | Hannibal: make menuconfig, etc. |
| 20:04.11 | Hannibal | greycat: does make-kpkg use that same config file? |
| 20:04.18 | delire | Hannibal: well the config file used by make-kpkg checks the kernel config. |
| 20:04.28 | delire | Hannibal: sorry, that made no sense. lag |
| 20:04.39 | delire | Hannibal: "make-kpkg checks the kernel config." |
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| 20:05.00 | Hannibal | delire: you mean the config of the currently installed kernel? |
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| 20:05.13 | Hannibal | or the .config file generated by make menuconfig and associates? |
| 20:05.14 | anjumbutt | can i ask if there's a porposal for use of elektra (elektra.sourceforge.net) as opposed of accessing config files manually |
| 20:05.25 | tarzeau | Gil: www.linuks.mine.nu/webmon/ is what i used to use |
| 20:05.29 | SteveLab | Evening all |
| 20:05.53 | greycat | anjumbutt: please tell me we're not seeing another round of "let's turn unix into an XML hell". |
| 20:06.20 | Gil | tarzeau thx |
| 20:06.29 | resiak | greycat: Nothing wrong with XML |
| 20:06.30 | tarzeau | greycat: what URL? |
| 20:06.32 | anjumbutt | no no |
| 20:06.34 | Octalthorpe | anjumbutt : Elektra = Registry for Linux? |
| 20:06.45 | anjumbutt | i'm not saying that |
| 20:06.47 | resiak | greycat: It's only generally MASSIVE OVERKILL(TM). :) |
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| 20:06.55 | delire | Hannibal: make menuconfig, find sound support under drivers, go into the alsa section and ensure that support is there as a module, or *easier still* just find the cmedia driver and check (M) for module. then make modules && make modules_install |
| 20:07.08 | Octalthorpe | anjumbutt : I didn't say you were. That's what the website is saying to me. |
| 20:07.08 | Hannibal | okay. |
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| 20:07.24 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.24 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.25 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.27 | delire | Hannibal: you should immediately be able to modprobe snd-cmi8330 to test it. |
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| 20:07.42 | greycat | resiak: Actual. Living. Breathing. Code. |
| 20:07.43 | Fashong | Hello |
| 20:07.46 | delire | Hannibal: anyway, good luck. time to shoot. |
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| 20:08.03 | resiak | greycat: i'm fairly afraid. |
| 20:08.04 | Fashong | I have a problem with my debian OS that I installed on my desktop computer |
| 20:08.11 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite Fashong |
| 20:08.23 | Fashong | When It boots up and i login I type my user n pass and it says there |
| 20:08.24 | resiak | greycat: The thing is, I'm not even anti-XML in principle, but ... come _on_. |
| 20:08.29 | tarzeau | Fashong: pity you're not in #mindreader |
| 20:08.42 | Fashong | jake`$ |
| 20:08.45 | Fashong | it stays and says that |
| 20:09.00 | tarzeau | Fashong: haha |
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| 20:09.03 | greycat | Fashong: uh... that would be your prompt. |
| 20:09.06 | tarzeau | Fashong: there was a funny quote just like yours |
| 20:09.12 | Fashong | well on my other os it didn't |
| 20:09.16 | Fashong | it went to graphical |
| 20:09.21 | greycat | Fashong: type "startx" |
| 20:09.38 | Fashong | k thx i will try brb |
| 20:09.46 | resiak | greycat: Elektra _is_ XML :) |
| 20:09.47 | tarzeau | greycat: come on! |
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| 20:09.53 | tarzeau | greycat: you could've suggested something more funny |
| 20:10.06 | greycat | tarzeau: now we wait for him to come back and say "startx command not found" |
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| 20:10.35 | resiak | !faq Fashong |
| 20:10.36 | dpkg | Fashong: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:10.42 | resiak | Sorry, guys, gotta put him out of his misery. |
| 20:10.59 | greycat | he's going to need more than just that. |
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| 20:11.14 | naddar | is there a other shell based email program then pine? |
| 20:11.15 | greycat | the #debian FAQ assumes a certain basic competence in Unix, like how to become root. |
| 20:11.17 | resiak | !mutt |
| 20:11.17 | dpkg | i heard mutt is the official mailer of Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.mutt.org/) or better than pine or with message threading, built-in PGP support, and more config options than you can count, or check out http://www.mutt.org/links.html#config, or more Free than pine |
| 20:11.19 | greycat | naddar: mutt |
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| 20:11.23 | tarzeau | resiak: nail |
| 20:11.29 | resiak | tarzeau: hammeR? |
| 20:11.31 | stew | official mailer? |
| 20:11.33 | tarzeau | !nail |
| 20:11.56 | tarzeau | dpkg nail is > mail > mutt > pine |
| 20:11.56 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 20:12.09 | tarzeau | oh , forgot telnet |
| 20:12.13 | greycat | !nail is also a drop-in replacement for mailx(1), that can do attachments and even SMTP |
| 20:12.14 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:12.24 | greycat | mail is NOT > mutt. |
| 20:12.35 | greycat | mutt -a foo.jpg ... |
| 20:13.35 | Fashong | startx command not found |
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| 20:13.39 | streuner | haha |
| 20:13.40 | tarzeau | greycat: haha |
| 20:13.43 | resiak | !greycat++ |
| 20:13.57 | greycat | Fashong: become root, then apt-get install x-window-system |
| 20:14.05 | Fashong | k ty |
| 20:14.07 | dondelelcaro | Fashong: install xbase-clients; or beter, x-window-system-core |
| 20:14.30 | resiak | greycat: Next up will be "this is just a text window". |
| 20:14.45 | tarzeau | he'll get twm? |
| 20:14.50 | Fashong | do I install x-window-system to |
| 20:14.50 | greycat | yeah, likely. |
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| 20:15.27 | greycat | or if you want to remain ignorant, use tasksel |
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| 20:15.50 | streuner | Does x-window-system-(core) install xbase-clients? |
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| 20:16.36 | dede | bonsoir |
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| 20:16.51 | tarzeau | salut |
| 20:17.38 | dede | comment fait on pour installer mondo su debian |
| 20:17.42 | greycat | !fr |
| 20:17.42 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 20:17.55 | Noidster | is there an alternative repository for mplayer deb packages now that marillat is down? |
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| 20:18.08 | streuner | !marillat mirror |
| 20:18.08 | greycat | apt-get.org might know |
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| 20:18.24 | Noidster | thanks |
| 20:18.34 | rumpl | how can I change the date with the "date" command? |
| 20:18.37 | streuner | !marillat mirrors |
| 20:18.42 | dpkg | "deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/apt-proxy/marillat stable main" "deb http://debian.nsu.ru/mirrors/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main" |
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| 20:19.04 | greycat | rumpl: /msg dpkg set the time |
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| 20:19.35 | kombi_ | ohoh, I screwed up file permissions on /var, what are they again?.. |
| 20:19.52 | carlinhos | hi whats the meaning of skrewed |
| 20:19.54 | resiak | drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 150 2005-06-08 21:04 /var |
| 20:19.59 | resiak | !dict screwed |
| 20:20.01 | dpkg | Dictionary 'screwed' (3 of 9): To screw out, to press out; to extort. ;; Our country landlords, by unmeasurable screwing and racking their tenants, have already reduced the miserable people to a worse condition than the peasants in France. --swift. ;; 3. Hence: To practice extortion upon; to oppress by unreasonable or extortionate exactions.. |
| 20:20.02 | kombi_ | thanks! |
| 20:20.10 | Hannibal | hehe |
| 20:20.13 | carlinhos | good |
| 20:20.16 | rumpl | he told me to use date --set ,i know but i don't know how to change the time, but not the date... and I dont want to install ntpd |
| 20:20.25 | resiak | rumpl: man date |
| 20:20.27 | kombi_ | I ahhm, f... it up? |
| 20:20.35 | rumpl | done resiak |
| 20:20.39 | greycat | Hrm. Samba 3.0.20 changed a line in the Makefile from DYNEXP=-Wl,-E to DYNEXP=-Wl,-E,+b /usr/local/lib:/usr/lib and the latter breaks on HP-UX. |
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| 20:20.54 | resiak | greycat: Don't use HP-UX then! |
| 20:20.57 | rumpl | the STRING, don't know in which format to put it |
| 20:20.59 | resiak | !tell Xybernaut -about away |
| 20:21.00 | carlinhos | !dict rooted |
| 20:21.02 | dpkg | Dictionary 'rooted' (3 of 4): If any irregularity chanced to intervene and to cause misappehensions, he gave them not leave to root and fasten by concealment. --Bp. Fell. ;; 2. To be firmly fixed; to be established. ;; In deep grounds the weeds root deeper. --Mortimer.. |
| 20:21.07 | resiak | !tell carlinhos -about msgdpgk |
| 20:21.09 | resiak | !tell carlinhos -about msgdpkg |
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| 20:21.16 | greycat | resiak: *nod* |
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| 20:21.46 | carlinhos | well |
| 20:21.52 | greycat | wonder if I should tell #samba |
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| 20:22.23 | foo | Does this play for anyone? http://wms5.streamhoster.com/lv_ieitv - what plugin do I need? I get (no picture) |
| 20:22.36 | Hannibal | okay, so cmi8330 does not work for me. |
| 20:22.56 | resiak | foo: w32codecs from marillat, which is down atm |
| 20:23.01 | Hannibal | apparently, alsa has a cmi9980 module as of version 1.0.6 - debian ships 1.0.4 |
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| 20:23.11 | valdyn | Hannibal: can you give the pci id of you sound card? |
| 20:23.14 | Hannibal | can I just use the distribution from the official website? |
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| 20:23.24 | Hannibal | valdyn: it's not a pci card, would that matter? |
| 20:23.34 | Hannibal | I have no idea how I would figure it out, regardless. |
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| 20:23.42 | resiak | lspci |
| 20:23.45 | kitsuneofdoom | how would I change the permissions of a USB device? |
| 20:23.45 | valdyn | Hannibal: well , its not a "card" physically, but that is irrelevant ) |
| 20:23.46 | Hannibal | valdyn: the interface/card is builtin to my motherboard |
| 20:23.48 | Hannibal | ah |
| 20:23.51 | Hannibal | okay. |
| 20:23.53 | foo | resiak: hmm, I think I have that |
| 20:23.56 | resiak | kitsuneofdoom: Why would you want to do that? |
| 20:24.05 | rutski89 | Fashong: hi :) |
| 20:24.11 | foo | w32codecs is already the newest version. |
| 20:24.11 | foo | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 63 not upgraded. |
| 20:24.12 | kitsuneofdoom | resiak: It's root, and I want user to use it |
| 20:24.14 | foo | resiak: ^^ |
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| 20:24.20 | rutski89 | Fashong: this is where you get all the support for debian that you can handel :-) |
| 20:24.20 | resiak | kitsuneofdoom: For what? |
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| 20:24.25 | rutski89 | Fashong: I'm going out for a bit, cya |
| 20:24.30 | resiak | kitsuneofdoom: To mount it? /msg dpkg usbstorage |
| 20:24.30 | kitsuneofdoom | resiak: scanner. Scanning |
| 20:24.31 | valdyn | !info alsa-modules-source sarge |
| 20:24.33 | resiak | Oh. |
| 20:24.38 | resiak | kitsuneofdoom: chmod ! |
| 20:24.43 | Hannibal | valdyn: it's not listed under lspci |
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| 20:25.00 | valdyn | Hannibal: more than strange |
| 20:25.00 | kitsuneofdoom | resiak: is that permanent? or do I have to every boot? |
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| 20:25.20 | stew | kitsuneofdoom: man 5 modules ; man 5 fstab |
| 20:25.24 | resiak | kitsuneofdoom: Depends if you use udev and whether udev is really stupid. |
| 20:25.32 | resiak | stew: It's for a scanner, not a disk. |
| 20:25.33 | stew | oh, nm |
| 20:25.40 | net | hi, i need console player internet radio, anybody know what package i have install? |
| 20:25.43 | stew | i just saw usbstorage |
| 20:25.43 | kitsuneofdoom | resiak: I do use udev |
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| 20:25.52 | resiak | stew: I made the same assumption. |
| 20:25.53 | eurisko | greycat , thanks i had solved the problem it was the refered unix.ko that was being inserted as module , and i don't really understand why. |
| 20:25.55 | resiak | kitsuneofdoom: Oh no! |
| 20:26.00 | Hannibal | valdyn: :( |
| 20:26.01 | resiak | kitsuneofdoom: (I don't really know, sorry.) |
| 20:26.05 | Hannibal | valdyn: any other suggestions? |
| 20:26.18 | valdyn | Hannibal: sarge ships 1.0.8 ( alsa ) |
| 20:26.20 | foo | resiak: Any ideas? |
| 20:26.31 | Maulkin | net: mpg123? mpg321? |
| 20:26.36 | kitsuneofdoom | resiak: how do I tell what to chmod |
| 20:26.36 | Hannibal | valdyn: hrm. the source version did list that |
| 20:26.46 | Hannibal | it didn't build a snd-cmi9980 module, regardless :( |
| 20:26.49 | resiak | foo: No. |
| 20:26.49 | valdyn | !info alsa-source sarge |
| 20:26.54 | kitsuneofdoom | resiak lsusb lists it as bus 2 device 2 |
| 20:26.55 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 1938 kB, Installed size: 1984 kB |
| 20:27.06 | resiak | kitsuneofdoom: Does it have an entry in /dev ? |
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| 20:27.16 | Maulkin | vladkao: Could you please message the bots? |
| 20:27.19 | Maulkin | ack.. |
| 20:27.23 | net | Maulkin: hmm, i don't know how listening in this player radio |
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| 20:27.29 | kitsuneofdoom | resiak: how could I tell? |
| 20:27.31 | valdyn | Hannibal: how exactly is the driver supposed to be called? |
| 20:27.32 | Hannibal | valdyn: does the fact that there's no /proc/sound entry make things worse? |
| 20:27.32 | Maulkin | valdyn even :) |
| 20:27.41 | resiak | kitsuneofdoom: I don't know! I have never used a scanner on Loonix! |
| 20:27.51 | Maulkin | net: Does it have to be command line? |
| 20:27.56 | valdyn | Maulkin: i wanted Hannibal to see.. |
| 20:28.07 | greycat | mplayer can be run on a console |
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| 20:28.07 | resiak | kitsuneofdoom: Probably better to reask. What you _really_ want to know is how to allow a non-root user to use your scanner. |
| 20:28.08 | Maulkin | valdyn: ahh, ok, sorry :) |
| 20:28.19 | Hannibal | valdyn: http://alsa.opensrc.org/cmi9880 |
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| 20:28.25 | cahoot | kitsuneofdoom: user is in group scanner? |
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| 20:28.40 | Hannibal | this is what made me think there'd be a module. It doesn't list a module name, though, afaict |
| 20:28.44 | net | Maulkin: yes |
| 20:28.50 | net | mplayer? |
| 20:28.50 | valdyn | !find snd-cmi9880.o sarge |
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| 20:28.55 | mhall | g'day all |
| 20:28.59 | Maulkin | net: what's wrong with mpg123? :) |
| 20:29.01 | mhall | how goes it? |
| 20:29.03 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'snd-cmi9880.o' returned no results. |
| 20:29.11 | Maulkin | net: There's also mplayer (as greycat pointed out) |
| 20:29.22 | cahoot | kitsuneofdoom: hotplug installed/running? |
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| 20:29.32 | net | Maulkin: i don't know how play in thos soft radio:)) |
| 20:29.37 | Hannibal | ./configure --with-cards=azx <-- how/when would I use that? |
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| 20:29.42 | Hannibal | anywhere? |
| 20:29.46 | Hannibal | or before making the modules? |
| 20:29.49 | greycat | in a source tree |
| 20:29.49 | mhall | what went wrong with the debian pages? |
| 20:29.54 | mhall | !tell root about root |
| 20:29.57 | Hannibal | greycat: that's what I suspected... |
| 20:30.04 | Maulkin | net: Erm... if you want a CLI, try "mplayer URL://" |
| 20:30.08 | MrBallZ | question: I use Kwikdisk to mount the usb hard drive, it does mount it, but says that only root can see it, and in the fstab line, there's rw,user,noauto .... what can i do ? |
| 20:30.14 | Maulkin | net: It's not hard to use :) |
| 20:30.32 | greycat | !user accessible vfat |
| 20:30.32 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field |
| 20:30.35 | valdyn | Hannibal: not in the tree, that file is in /etc/alsasrc.conf ( or similar ) |
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| 20:30.46 | cahoot | kitsuneofdoom: /usr/share/doc/libsane/README.debian |
| 20:30.48 | kokkoo | anyone?i have a problem with dma disabling itself when i am transferring TO hdds (its a PCI0680), and it spams to dmesg alot of dma_intr errors. it has no problem transferring From the drives.. i have also tried to switch from port ide0 to ide1 on the controller, with same result. the hdds are working 100% onboard the motherboard. its debian sarge and running on 800w psu. please advice. |
| 20:30.54 | valdyn | Hannibal: that is assuming you are compiling alsa the debian way. |
| 20:31.00 | Hannibal | valdyn: I am. |
| 20:31.03 | greycat | MrBallZ: or, alternative: mount it as the USER instead of as root. |
| 20:31.20 | Hannibal | file doesn't exist, however |
| 20:31.30 | mhall | kokkoo: What kind of IDE cable do you have? |
| 20:31.39 | jknife | is the nvidia-kernel avibale for the 2.6.8 or 2.6.12 kernel.. b/c im looking through kpackage and only see it for the 2.4.X version |
| 20:31.45 | valdyn | Hannibal: ok, so we dont walk the wrong path from the start.. 'uname -r' |
| 20:31.48 | MrBallZ | greycat: I mount it as user, command line, but still says that's toot only accesible ... |
| 20:31.52 | greycat | jknife: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 20:32.10 | Hannibal | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 20:32.17 | kokkoo | mhall : 80pin cable |
| 20:32.23 | valdyn | Hannibal: ok, you have nothing to compile then, you have the driver |
| 20:32.33 | Hannibal | okay... but how would I use it? |
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| 20:33.15 | valdyn | Hannibal: now run 'update-pciids' followed by 'lspci'. If you soundcard doesnt show up you have a hardware ( or bios ) problem. |
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| 20:33.54 | Hannibal | modprobe |
| 20:33.57 | Hannibal | ack, sorry |
| 20:34.04 | mhall | kokkoo: alright make sure that it's in good condition, run it across a table edge with alternating sides toward the edge |
| 20:34.04 | Hannibal | valdyn: doesn't show up. |
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| 20:34.16 | valdyn | Hannibal: you have no soundcard then... |
| 20:34.17 | mhall | kokkoo: until it's arrow straight and there are no kinks |
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| 20:34.32 | mhall | kokkoo: if that doesn't work then try it again with a round cable |
| 20:34.37 | valdyn | Hannibal: at least your chipset ( which lspci gets its data from ) knows nothing about it, so linux cannot use it |
| 20:34.39 | mhall | kokkoo: also make sure that... one second... |
| 20:34.45 | Hannibal | hrm. |
| 20:34.49 | kokkoo | mhall : i have tried with both round and standard cables. |
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| 20:34.54 | valdyn | Hannibal: or is your system old enough for this card to be an ISA card? |
| 20:35.00 | net | Maulkin: it's working, easy think, any fun options from CLI?:) |
| 20:35.11 | Hannibal | valdyn: it's a sound interface provided by the motherboard |
| 20:35.18 | Hannibal | and I got the system last friday (new), so no. |
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| 20:35.22 | valdyn | Hannibal: yea, aware of that.. |
| 20:35.23 | kokkoo | mhall : may i remind you its a problem only when writing to the hdd, not reading. |
| 20:35.30 | Maulkin | net: lots. "man mplayer" |
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| 20:35.38 | valdyn | Hannibal: are there *any* devices listed as unknown in lspci? |
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| 20:35.48 | valdyn | Hannibal: nm, paste the whole output somewhere ill read it.. |
| 20:35.57 | Maulkin | net: or "man mpg123" or "man whatevertheprogramis" |
| 20:35.59 | net | Maulkin: i know how set louder, silent and pause stream:)) |
| 20:36.26 | mhall | kokkoo: put the master drive on the end of the cable |
| 20:36.27 | tarzeau | sometimes if you install a package first time, you get an email to root with some info on it. how to turn that off? |
| 20:36.31 | Maulkin | net: Yeah, also have a look in /usr/share/doc/mplayer |
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| 20:36.39 | mhall | kokkoo: and the slave in the middle |
| 20:36.46 | Hannibal | valdyn: http://debian.pastebin.com/370325 |
| 20:36.59 | mhall | kokkoo: i know it's a weird problem you have but i just want to cover all the bases |
| 20:37.09 | jknife | ty greycat |
| 20:37.10 | net | Maulkin: hehe, i knoooow |
| 20:37.13 | mhall | kokkoo: if none of this works then your next bet is trying a different kernel |
| 20:37.20 | pijn | I added a user, gave it shell /bin/bash with chsh, but it can't login via ssh.. what do i need to set to make the user be able to login via ssh? |
| 20:37.37 | mhall | pijn: how did you add the user |
| 20:37.38 | Hannibal | oy... |
| 20:37.38 | greycat | pijn: a password may help. |
| 20:37.49 | valdyn | Hannibal: this is your sound: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controlle |
| 20:37.54 | Hannibal | yeah, I noticed. |
| 20:37.55 | pijn | i did useradd -m username, then passwd username.. |
| 20:37.57 | kokkoo | mhall : that is the next logical step i think, the problem was in 2.4.x and its here in 2.6.10 |
| 20:38.07 | pijn | then chsh username to /bin/bash |
| 20:38.13 | csy | anyone help me with an snmpd/mrtg related problem? mrtg installed fine, running cfgmaker i get a load of errors with the same kind of message as "SNMPWALK Problem for 1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.3 on public@127.0.0.1::::::v4only" |
| 20:38.14 | valdyn | Hannibal: i know nothing about this having *anything* to do with cmi |
| 20:38.15 | kokkoo | mhall : also with previous kernels, 2.6.x and so on |
| 20:38.16 | streuner | mhall: what's up? |
| 20:38.25 | Hannibal | valdyn: ASUS itself released plenty of windows drivers using that brand / model name |
| 20:38.33 | Hannibal | the docs also list that brand / model |
| 20:38.41 | kenboo | csy, did you try 3 times? |
| 20:38.41 | greycat | pijn: check /var/log/auth.log |
| 20:38.49 | Hannibal | the CMI one, that is/ |
| 20:38.55 | kenboo | csy, i setup snmp/mrtg last night :) |
| 20:38.59 | valdyn | Hannibal: fuck the docs, intel high defenition audio thingy isnt supported by your kernel anyway iirc |
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| 20:39.09 | csy | i probably have tried 3 times if were honest :P |
| 20:39.17 | valdyn | Hannibal: every PCI device has an ID, that ID cant lie, otherwise drivers wont work.. |
| 20:39.20 | csy | so can you help kenboo? |
| 20:39.30 | Hannibal | valdyn: okay... so now what? :S |
| 20:39.42 | kenboo | csy, sure. go private? |
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| 20:39.49 | Hannibal | I can tell alsa to use the other module? |
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| 20:39.57 | valdyn | Hannibal: soo anyway, grab a recent kernel, im not sure when intel high definition audio was added. |
| 20:39.58 | Hannibal | s/the/some |
| 20:40.02 | Hannibal | youch. |
| 20:40.05 | valdyn | Hannibal: and use that one. |
| 20:40.08 | Hannibal | valdyn: err, okay... |
| 20:40.22 | mitos | hello |
| 20:40.22 | pijn | greycat: auth.log doesn't say anything about a the new user trying to login.. just that the user is made.. |
| 20:40.31 | mhall | streuner: ah i forgot to nickserv again |
| 20:40.31 | valdyn | Hannibal: that is easiest, believe me, but you sure could also grab latest alsa source and compile that.. |
| 20:40.34 | Hannibal | valdyn: especially since it took me a /lot/ of work to get my network card drivers compiled and running |
| 20:40.36 | mhall | streuner: sorry about that ;-) |
| 20:40.48 | mhall | kokkoo: hmm that's real weird |
| 20:40.48 | greycat | pijn: are you sure your ssh client is contacting the right host? |
| 20:40.54 | valdyn | Hannibal: one sec, checking that card.. |
| 20:40.59 | mitos | I need deny windows media with squid |
| 20:40.59 | mhall | kokkoo: for it to persist between major kernel revisions like that |
| 20:41.13 | pijn | greycat: lol, why does my dad have 2 linux machines which get me confused with the ports :P |
| 20:41.14 | kokkoo | mhall : which module supports 'Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133 Host Controller (rev 02)' |
| 20:41.16 | mhall | kokkoo: now, this occurs on the external IDE controller? |
| 20:41.16 | greycat | mitos: /j #squid |
| 20:41.31 | valdyn | Hannibal: chances are good that this card is already supported by new kernels, they added alot of marvell driver stuff |
| 20:41.39 | mhall | kokkoo: it's going to be SiS something or CMD something |
| 20:41.40 | pijn | sorry bout that :) |
| 20:41.44 | Hannibal | I see. |
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| 20:41.50 | Hannibal | valdyn: where are the changelogs? |
| 20:41.56 | Hannibal | (assuming that's what you're reading anyway) |
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| 20:42.04 | kokkoo | mhall : if i move the hdds to the onboard its working 100%, if i move them back again its a problem. |
| 20:42.05 | mhall | kokkoo: now one thing to ponder. take a look at /proc/interrupts |
| 20:42.18 | madclicker | when i ssh into a system and perform "ls -l" the listing appear colorless, but when i sudo it display color, how can i fix it ? |
| 20:42.24 | mhall | kokkoo: see whether the external ide controller is sharing its IRQ |
| 20:42.28 | valdyn | Hannibal: lkml or kernel.org |
| 20:42.28 | kokkoo | mhall : ok what am i looking for. |
| 20:42.29 | greycat | madclicker: which one is "broken"? |
| 20:42.30 | drac | Hannibal: Trying to get Intel HD card working? |
| 20:42.39 | kombi_ | hmm, recursively f...ed up file permissions in /var it seems, now mysql complains about a missing socket even though it is there, does that need recreation or something? |
| 20:42.41 | drac | Hannibal: It's supported in 2.6.13 at least. |
| 20:42.42 | Hannibal | drac: no, my hdd has worked fine from the start |
| 20:42.43 | mhall | kokkoo: there are buggy IDE controllers in the world that do not work right when sharing IRQs |
| 20:42.46 | drac | oh |
| 20:42.47 | drac | ok |
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| 20:42.52 | Hannibal | drac: sound card. |
| 20:42.55 | mhall | kokkoo: I once had a network card that crashed the box when sharing IRQs |
| 20:42.55 | madclicker | greycat, i want to have color for both |
| 20:42.57 | valdyn | drac: hehe, yea that was right |
| 20:43.00 | drac | Hannibal: Yeah, High Defination Sound Card (HD card) |
| 20:43.06 | Hannibal | oh. |
| 20:43.07 | greycat | madclicker: man ls, look for --color, maybe make a shell alias |
| 20:43.13 | Hannibal | abbreviations suck sometimes :P |
| 20:43.13 | greycat | madclicker: maybe there's an env var too. |
| 20:43.18 | mhall | kokkoo: another thing, CMD IDE controllers are notorious for being highly buggy |
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| 20:43.25 | kokkoo | mhall : i dont know which it is.... there are several here.. |
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| 20:43.30 | mhall | kokkoo: so you might try using a Promise IDE controller card if you can |
| 20:43.40 | madclicker | greycat, i have a .bash file that has color set |
| 20:43.41 | drac | Hannibal: It's also supported by 2.6.12 kernels in Testing / and Unstable |
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| 20:43.47 | kokkoo | mhall : i have a hpt controller in there aswell, no problems with that one :) |
| 20:43.47 | greycat | madclicker: .bash is not a file that's useful. |
| 20:43.53 | Hannibal | valdyn: I read in the docs that I could compile the kernel and then be able to pick one at boot? |
| 20:43.54 | mhall | kokkoo: hmm you might see if you can find the controller's name in dmesg | grep ide |
| 20:43.58 | Hannibal | how would I go about that? |
| 20:44.02 | mhall | kokkoo: see what the kernel called it at boot |
| 20:44.06 | Hannibal | so I can always use the one I have now if I fail |
| 20:44.11 | greycat | madclicker: perhaps you forgot to put source ~/.bashrc at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 20:44.17 | greycat | !wikifaq madclicker DotFiles |
| 20:44.17 | dpkg | madclicker: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:44.18 | madclicker | greycat, .bashrc, thats the one the /root directory has |
| 20:44.18 | valdyn | Hannibal: compiling is a waste of time when there's readily compiled kernels in debian |
| 20:44.28 | Hannibal | valdyn: oh! |
| 20:44.35 | Hannibal | so I just download... what exactly? |
| 20:44.38 | kokkoo | mhall : its calling it : SiI680: chipset revision 2 |
| 20:44.50 | Hannibal | apt-get install kernel-image-<newestversion> ? |
| 20:45.02 | greycat | Hannibal: probably "linux-image-2.6-386" or similar. |
| 20:45.08 | kombi_ | what file permissions does mysql.sock have / need? |
| 20:45.14 | valdyn | Hannibal: nah, http://packages.debian.org/, look for kernels, try to dpkg -i one, if you are lucky that is all |
| 20:45.16 | kokkoo | mhall : the two other drives connected to that very same controller is not having the same problem.... |
| 20:45.25 | mhall | kokkoo: the kernel probably gave it a name like ide2 |
| 20:45.31 | valdyn | Hannibal: in any case you wont just loose your old kernel, so you can always fall back |
| 20:45.36 | Hannibal | okay. |
| 20:45.42 | kokkoo | mhall : yes, ide2 and 3 |
| 20:45.44 | mhall | kokkoo: in any event, flaky behavior from a CMD IDE controller is not surprising |
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| 20:45.58 | kokkoo | mhall : ide3 is the one with troubles.. |
| 20:46.00 | kombi_ | could someone do a ls -l /var/run/mysqld for me? |
| 20:46.03 | mhall | kokkoo: see if ide2,3 are sharing their IRQ with another PCI device |
| 20:46.29 | mhall | kokkoo: if so, randomly rearrange your PCI cards in a different order and see if it goes away |
| 20:46.29 | kokkoo | mhall : ide2 and 3 is sharing the same irq. nothing else |
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| 20:46.37 | greycat | eval $DIALOG blah blah... |
| 20:46.39 | greycat | ECHAN |
| 20:46.52 | jknife | ok im duel booted with WinXP and i want to know what a good WM for XP is??? |
| 20:46.59 | resiak | ... |
| 20:47.04 | madclicker | greycat, thank you |
| 20:47.09 | kokkoo | mhall : since ide2 and 3 is on the same controller, changing pci wouldnt solve anything |
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| 20:47.41 | jerome | Hi all ! |
| 20:47.46 | klemens | hi |
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| 20:49.05 | kokkoo | mhall : from lspci i get '0000:00:0a.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133..' unknown... ? |
| 20:49.20 | Hannibal | valdyn: okay, so I need linux-image-2.6.12-1-686_2.6.12-6_i386.deb then, I think? |
| 20:49.30 | kokkoo | mhall : the other hpt controller reports from lspci as it should.. |
| 20:49.35 | valdyn | Hannibal: yea, try it |
| 20:49.36 | mhall | kokkoo: right they should be OK sharing IRQs with each other |
| 20:49.50 | jerome | for a change i'm trying to install a web service (horde3) via apt. Apparently, the files are installed in /usr/share/horde3/ which of course is not served by apache. What's the proper (debian) way to have it served and apt to update it ? |
| 20:49.53 | kokkoo | mhall : yeah thats what i thought. |
| 20:49.57 | mhall | kokkoo: but I would say your best bet is trying to get a Promise card |
| 20:50.16 | mhall | kokkoo: i think your problem is one of the weird problems people report with CMD controllers |
| 20:50.27 | Hannibal | okay, installe |
| 20:50.36 | mhall | kokkoo: of course, google it and look at the MARC archive of the lkml list (google marc lkml for this) |
| 20:50.36 | Hannibal | *d. Now I reboot to use it, correct? :$ |
| 20:50.45 | kokkoo | mhall : you did take notice that the two other hdds (connected to the same CMD controller) are working just fine.. |
| 20:50.48 | mhall | kokkoo: and now i'm off to do a stats exam |
| 20:50.48 | valdyn | Hannibal: yea |
| 20:50.52 | Hannibal | okay. |
| 20:51.01 | kokkoo | mhall : tnx :) |
| 20:51.02 | mhall | kokkoo: right i noticed, but i would place blame on the controller anyways |
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| 20:51.13 | mhall | kokkoo: it's never been a good IDE controller brand |
| 20:51.22 | mhall | kokkoo: i have one in my Sun Ultra 10 and it's very tempermental |
| 20:51.30 | mhall | kokkoo: i had to try several drives on it to make it happy |
| 20:51.34 | Mr_Morden | anyone knows where the KDE/X config files are stored? I'd like to copy them over from Mepis to my Debian install |
| 20:51.41 | kokkoo | mhall : maybe i can find other drivers for it, ill check |
| 20:51.45 | mhall | kokkoo: and now it has 130-day uptime on the box so i do not want to mess with it |
| 20:51.56 | mhall | kokkoo: knock on wood, amazingly it doesn't screw up |
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| 20:52.00 | valdyn | Mr_Morden: X is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, kde is ~/.kde |
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| 20:52.13 | kokkoo | mhall : hehe |
| 20:52.21 | Mr_Morden | I can just copy them over or do I need to take care of something first @ valdyn |
| 20:52.30 | valdyn | Mr_Morden: try and see |
| 20:52.33 | mhall | kokkoo: but... by all accounts, not a good product, so fair warning |
| 20:52.36 | Mr_Morden | will do so :) |
| 20:52.37 | Mr_Morden | thx |
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| 20:55.22 | rudenstam | is it normal to only get 10kb/s from http://ftp.us.debian.org with a 100mbit.us link ? |
| 20:55.30 | EdgEy | no |
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| 20:55.44 | valdyn | rudenstam: your isp sucks ) |
| 20:56.05 | rudenstam | yeah.. it really must suck real hard :) |
| 20:56.21 | kombi_ | how do you set a sticky bit using chmod? |
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| 20:57.15 | valdyn | kombi_: 'man chmod' |
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| 20:58.21 | kombi_ | valdyn: really?.. |
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| 20:59.41 | cahoot | kombi_: try this: man chmod|grep sticky |
| 20:59.42 | Maulkin | kombi_: yup |
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| 21:01.23 | niooi | hello |
| 21:01.52 | kombi_ | cahoot: that sure is a lot of information, but how do you set it in a 755 fashion? |
| 21:01.57 | kpanic | hello people, could you point me to an url that explains how to setup trust when downloading packages with aptitude? thanks! |
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| 21:03.10 | kombi_ | if man pages could only contain examples.. |
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| 21:03.44 | Gathond | kombi_: most does, near the end |
| 21:04.16 | Gathond | or I havent, researched it, but at least its not uncommon:) |
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| 21:04.23 | Scognito | hello to all |
| 21:04.23 | darky | Has anyone managed to make a logitech usb quickcam work on debian ? |
| 21:05.03 | Scognito | i've just installed kernel 2.6 stock debian, and i noticed that music skip when a page is rendered in mozilla, or something else....i don't have this problem on 2.4... |
| 21:05.07 | kombi_ | Gathond: most times I read man pages I find no examples at all.. do you happen to know the syntax for chmod to set sticky bits? |
| 21:05.10 | Scognito | what can be the cause? |
| 21:05.28 | Gathond | kombi_: cant remember it |
| 21:05.30 | kpanic | kombi_, examples in mp are rare.. |
| 21:05.38 | kombi_ | same here..;) |
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| 21:06.01 | kombi_ | anyone here ever set a sticky bit? |
| 21:06.04 | scandale | hi |
| 21:06.04 | eeyore- | kombi_: why not "chmod u+s"? |
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| 21:06.19 | kombi_ | eeyore: sounds good.. |
| 21:06.19 | eeyore- | kombi_: or you were thinking of +t ? |
| 21:06.21 | scandale | i'm looking for gnome-applets plugins download website |
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| 21:06.29 | keith80403 | kombi_, Which sticky bit are you trying to set? 1xxx 2xxx 4xxx |
| 21:06.37 | kpanic | bye guys |
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| 21:06.43 | Scognito | i'm using nvidia kernel.....maybe it has less priority since it is binary only? |
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| 21:06.48 | kombi_ | eeyore / keith: drwx--s--- |
| 21:06.49 | Hannibal | okay... |
| 21:06.53 | Hannibal | valdyn: you were absolutely right |
| 21:06.54 | EdgEy | anyone know if i can stop flash from outputting audio? (stopping firefox would be fine) |
| 21:06.56 | rudenstam | my dpkg seems busted.. return errors on apt-get install.. where can I get a new one ? |
| 21:07.01 | Hannibal | sound works flawlessly on the new kernel |
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| 21:07.10 | Hannibal | however, my network card goes back to being broken |
| 21:07.16 | eeyore- | kombi_: that's g+s, but g can't write anyway, so it'd be kind of pointless |
| 21:07.16 | chile | hello |
| 21:07.29 | chile | help with squid |
| 21:07.31 | Hannibal | furthermore, I didn't think to fetch kernel-headers / kernel-source for this new kernel, so installing the drivers on the new kernel fails. |
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| 21:07.38 | kombi_ | keith80403: drwx--s--- |
| 21:07.42 | Hannibal | additionally, my gcc version doesn't match either |
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| 21:07.46 | chile | I need deny windows media |
| 21:07.51 | valdyn | Hannibal: lsmod | grep skge |
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| 21:07.58 | eeyore- | kombi_: what do you want to do? |
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| 21:08.16 | jlil | samba hid it self how i find it and make short kut |
| 21:08.21 | keith80403 | kombi_, I'm checking now. |
| 21:08.22 | Hannibal | oh! eeyore-: dhcp worked automagically when I woke up this morning |
| 21:08.28 | eeyore- | Hannibal: weird |
| 21:08.37 | kombi_ | eeyore->: set permissions right for /var/spool/postfix/public |
| 21:08.39 | Hannibal | eeyore-: I guess it was because now the lease had enough time to expire, so there were no conflicts with anything or the like |
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| 21:08.56 | nkuttler | jlil: what are you talking about? |
| 21:09.01 | meriad | anyone want my GSM phone? heh, its unlocked and cheap |
| 21:09.05 | valdyn | Hannibal: there's at least 2 yukon driver in your kernel, one of those might work.. |
| 21:09.19 | Hannibal | valdyn: empty response |
| 21:09.26 | Hannibal | right now I'm on the old kernel, btw |
| 21:09.28 | valdyn | Hannibal: lsmod | grep sk98lin |
| 21:09.28 | eeyore- | kombi_: drwx--s--- 2 postfix postdrop 4096 Sep 14 10:34 /var/spool/postfix/public/ |
| 21:09.30 | Hannibal | I suppose that matters >.< |
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| 21:09.36 | jlil | have samba on here need to find it to run it |
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| 21:09.40 | valdyn | Hannibal: yea it does |
| 21:09.47 | Hannibal | the latter works on the old kernel |
| 21:09.48 | nkuttler | jlil: /etc/init.d/samba start |
| 21:09.56 | Hannibal | sk98lin 203896 2 |
| 21:10.06 | kombi_ | eeyore->: exactly, now I need to set that.. |
| 21:10.13 | gan|y|med | hi. stupid question, but how do a change my keyboard layout for the console? |
| 21:10.23 | Hannibal | valdyn: I have an up-to-date install package for that |
| 21:10.23 | valdyn | Hannibal: so, its loaded and used, you sure your network isnt working? run 'ifconfig -a' |
| 21:10.23 | keith80403 | kombi_, try chmod 2770 directory_name |
| 21:10.24 | resiak | gan|y|med: man loadkeys |
| 21:10.27 | Hannibal | valdyn: *I'm on the old kernel* |
| 21:10.30 | gan|y|med | thx |
| 21:10.41 | Hannibal | it works right now |
| 21:10.41 | kombi_ | thanks, keith! |
| 21:10.41 | valdyn | Hannibal: oh |
| 21:10.41 | Hannibal | it doesn't on the new kernel :) |
| 21:10.41 | eeyore- | kombi_: i believe that once you have a directory +s, and then you chgrp, you will remove the +s bit. so if you chown after +s, you'll have to chmod +s again |
| 21:10.44 | nkuttler | gan|y|med: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 21:10.45 | drc | Can I break the linux talk for a moment, what kind of music do you listen to? (We don't need to talk about Debian fulltime you know ;) |
| 21:10.48 | valdyn | Hannibal: nm then, those things you were supposed to do w/ the newer one |
| 21:10.48 | Hannibal | I haven't actually tried that on the new kernel, I'd have to reboot again |
| 21:10.49 | keith80403 | kombi_, Let me know if it works! |
| 21:10.53 | gan|y|med | no manual entry found :( |
| 21:10.57 | Hannibal | valdyn: I did get that |
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| 21:11.13 | gan|y|med | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.16 | kombi_ | keith80403: almost, it's now drwxrws--- |
| 21:11.16 | Hannibal | first though, I'll get kernel-source and kernel-headers and a new gcc version, so I can try to install the drivers I have if need be |
| 21:11.22 | stew | kombi_: 2710 |
| 21:11.22 | valdyn | Hannibal: alright, try both, the included 'sk98lin' driver and the 'skge' too |
| 21:11.38 | keith80403 | kombi_, I meant chmod 2700 directory_name |
| 21:11.43 | Hannibal | valdyn: right, after the above. Unless you think I shouldn't do the above? :) |
| 21:11.55 | kombi_ | stew: that was it! |
| 21:11.58 | xhypno | Anyone know if gnome is working in Sid? I can't apt it, it complains that libsoup2.2-7 or higher must be installed. I manually apt'ed libsoup2.2-8 which is newer, but Gnome still won't install |
| 21:12.03 | apoc | why is it alot of people think gnome > kde? |
| 21:12.06 | kombi_ | thanks keith & stew |
| 21:12.08 | valdyn | Hannibal: what are you referring to? |
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| 21:12.30 | keith80403 | kombi_, Ok, you're welcome |
| 21:12.33 | Hannibal | valdyn: getting the new kernel headers and source, and gcc 4.0.1, so I could compile the drivers I have |
| 21:12.35 | jlil | nutklutter comand not found |
| 21:12.41 | Hannibal | (for the new kernel) |
| 21:12.50 | keith80403 | stew, Interesting point, I'll have to look that up. |
| 21:12.54 | kombi_ | stew: what is the logic thogh? |
| 21:13.22 | xhypno | apoc: I install both, I use GTK apps and KDE apps. |
| 21:13.23 | cheal | xhypno: can't you at least tell which command is failing? |
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| 21:13.39 | kokkoo | l |
| 21:13.47 | valdyn | Hannibal: i would do that only as last resort, first try loading skge / sk98lin ( theyre included in your 2.6.12 .. ), if that doesnt work, fall back to 2.6.8 and compile alsa, that is better than messing with installing a whole bunch of instable software into your stable debian install |
| 21:13.53 | Azar | sorry to be a pester, 4th Sarge installation, dhcp successfully set, but no connection... is this a installer bug? |
| 21:13.57 | xhypno | Yeah, Depends trying to locate libsoup2.2-7 but libsoup2.2-8 is installed |
| 21:14.02 | kombi_ | jesus, what on earth is this: drwx-wx--T ? |
| 21:14.13 | Hannibal | valdyn: I did modprobe sk98lin |
| 21:14.14 | jlil | now what? |
| 21:14.14 | cheal | xhypno: *shrug* |
| 21:14.17 | nkuttler | Azar: dhcp set? |
| 21:14.20 | Hannibal | valdyn: that didn't help |
| 21:14.21 | gan|y|med | ok, man loadkeys doesnt work... what is wrong...? |
| 21:14.25 | Hannibal | valdyn: incidentally... |
| 21:14.26 | Azar | nkuttler, yes |
| 21:14.33 | Hannibal | what version of sk98lin comes with that kernel? |
| 21:14.35 | valdyn | Hannibal: alright, then you remove that module again and try skge |
| 21:14.38 | nkuttler | Azar: you mean you ran dhclient or what? |
| 21:14.39 | gan|y|med | how do i change my locale? |
| 21:14.44 | xhypno | Is there an apt command to force install even on errors |
| 21:14.45 | nkuttler | gan|y|med: dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 21:14.49 | dondelelcaro | kombi_: it's sticky but -x. |
| 21:14.55 | Hannibal | valdyn: this network card needs 8.23 or above, IIRC |
| 21:14.59 | Azar | nkuttler, another distro got the dhcp ok and connection good, but sarge installer did not |
| 21:15.00 | dondelelcaro | (which is an insane set of permisions) |
| 21:15.01 | eeyore- | apoc: because gnome is > kde |
| 21:15.02 | stew | kombi_: i'm trying to figure that out myself, it seems to me that it should be 2730 or 2720 not 2710 |
| 21:15.02 | gan|y|med | thx |
| 21:15.16 | cheal | xhypno: no |
| 21:15.16 | Azar | sarge reported a successful dhcp but there is no connection |
| 21:15.19 | kombi_ | stew, I'll try those.. |
| 21:15.19 | apoc | lol |
| 21:15.24 | nkuttler | Azar: do you get an ip? what does the dhcpd log say? |
| 21:15.28 | Thanatermesis | tarzeau mmmmh, I have maked a beautifull script for talk with another person :) but with launch the "tail -f file &" and close (exit) from the script, the tail process continue working... how to close this ? or how to obtain the pid of this process ? |
| 21:15.42 | dondelelcaro | kombi_: use stat if you're lost as to what the symbols mean |
| 21:15.43 | valdyn | Hannibal: kernel devs refuse to use marvells drivers in higher versions b/c they're so damn ugly, maybe skge works though, its completely new driver that might work for you. |
| 21:15.50 | apoc | eeyore: care to explore that further? |
| 21:15.50 | gan|y|med | well, another stupid question. is locale actually a package, cause dpkg complains it cannot be found... |
| 21:15.54 | Hannibal | valdyn: I see :) |
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| 21:16.04 | darko__ | any prog that creates desktop bg of text input? |
| 21:16.11 | Azar | nkuttler, it is a friend who is completely new at debian, I am just helping with install and configuring /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:16.13 | caphuso | stew, kombi_: that simply means that the sticky bit is on, but the other executable bit isn't |
| 21:16.14 | nkuttler | gan|y|med: locales, sorry |
| 21:16.21 | Azar | dhcp successful, no connection though |
| 21:16.34 | valdyn | Hannibal: "problem" is, both are for the same hardware so autoloading doesnt work, remove sk98lin, only then insert skge |
| 21:16.40 | eeyore- | apoc: it's really just personal preference. i don't like qt. i don't like some stylistic choices (ok, that could be rectified with themes) of kde, and i don't like the embed-everything kparts. |
| 21:16.43 | Azar | I sent him to download woody I am better at woody installation |
| 21:16.45 | Hannibal | valdyn: I see :) |
| 21:16.46 | jlil | how do i force samba to wake up |
| 21:16.49 | buu | Ok. I'm back. My sshd is refusing to run. I try /etc/init.d/ssh start, it says "sshd started", but when I netstat nothing is listening on port 22. I checked some of the logs in /var/log, but the only message I could find was "sshd[4566]: fatal: daemon() failed: No such device" in auth.log |
| 21:16.50 | nkuttler | Azar: what do you mean with no connection? can you ping the router/dhcpd? |
| 21:16.56 | nkuttler | jlil: i told you |
| 21:17.06 | apoc | understood |
| 21:17.07 | Azar | nkuttler ping unsuccessful |
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| 21:17.09 | gan|y|med | thx, some time ago i knew that, but i couldnt get to the right place of my head this time... |
| 21:17.13 | jlil | nklutter said comand not found |
| 21:17.19 | nkuttler | Azar: but you get an ip? |
| 21:17.22 | SimonRaven | buu: /dev/tty, does it exist? |
| 21:17.23 | Hannibal | valdyn: okay, I'll try that. Back in a bit, hopefully :) |
| 21:17.25 | Azar | nkuttler, no |
| 21:17.26 | apoc | it's kinda like kde was after a microsoft approach? |
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| 21:17.31 | nkuttler | jlil: use my correct name, please |
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| 21:17.41 | apoc | while gnome was true to the gpl |
| 21:17.44 | eeyore- | apoc: and kde has a number of mind-bending technologies it's hard to wrap your brain completely around. |
| 21:17.45 | jlil | sorry |
| 21:17.52 | apoc | I dunno, it seems silly when peolpe make it a big fuss |
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| 21:17.57 | buu | SimonRaven: Um. Yes? |
| 21:18.03 | gan|y|med | thx very much. ciao |
| 21:18.06 | SimonRaven | buu: ok |
| 21:18.07 | eeyore- | apoc: it sure feels like kde is after the-more-complex-the-better goal |
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| 21:18.28 | Azar | I only assume is a sarge installer bug I will see if woody is going better |
| 21:18.30 | buu | SimonRaven: Same thing happens if I do: /usr/bin/sshd. It says it runs, but nothing is listening and I can't connect. |
| 21:18.37 | nkuttler | jlil: type "/etc/init.d/samba start" in a shell |
| 21:18.44 | darko__ | any prog that creates a desktop background of text input? |
| 21:18.47 | buu | However, if I do: /usr/sbin/sshd -d; it starts, doesn't fork and I can actually connect to the box. |
| 21:18.51 | valdyn | apoc: you cannot write proprietary apps compiled against qt/kde ( without paying ), that IS a problem |
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| 21:19.07 | jlil | did that under root samba coomand not found error |
| 21:19.10 | SimonRaven | buu: run that in debug mode |
| 21:19.19 | lakcaj | darko__: root-tail |
| 21:19.19 | apoc | I hear they are changing that though |
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| 21:19.33 | apoc | so that you can |
| 21:19.42 | gregg | hi people. i am trying to install gnome-bluetooth, but when I apt-get install gnome-bluetooth i get dependency errors for libgcrypt7 and libgnutls10 (more) |
| 21:19.46 | dondelelcaro | buu: check syslog to see why ssh is dying off; try also running it -e and/or turning up the debug level on it |
| 21:19.47 | eeyore- | valdyn: if you're a company with commercial products, price to pay for qt development is pittance based on what you could gain |
| 21:19.52 | nkuttler | jlil: i wonder if you use the right command if you don't get the names right... use tab comletion |
| 21:19.56 | buu | dondelelcaro: It works fine in debug mode =/ |
| 21:19.59 | gregg | I have tried and tried to find these, but no deal. what gives?? |
| 21:20.11 | eeyore- | valdyn: unless you're talking mom-and-pop shops |
| 21:20.15 | ircops | gregg: does it say try "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 21:20.21 | dondelelcaro | buu: that's just the no fork mode... |
| 21:20.24 | jlil | nkutter i did |
| 21:20.29 | nkuttler | Azar: doesn't sound like it's a woody/sarge issue |
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| 21:20.30 | valdyn | eeyore-: no idea on their pricing |
| 21:20.32 | buu | dondelelcaro: Right. There's nothing in sylog when I run it without -d |
| 21:20.41 | gregg | nope, just that the deps are not installable |
| 21:20.45 | nkuttler | jlil: dpkg -L samba? |
| 21:20.55 | stew | caphuso: i'm trying to figure out when one would set a directory perms to 2710 instead of 2700? what is the use of g+x without g+r? |
| 21:20.55 | buu | dondelelcaro: When I do sshd -e, I get "daemon() failed" |
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| 21:21.04 | jlil | nklutter what that do? |
| 21:21.11 | nkuttler | Azar: rather hardware/dhcpd issue |
| 21:21.14 | nkuttler | jlil: you tell me |
| 21:21.18 | kombi_ | and how do get drwx-wx--T ? |
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| 21:21.33 | eeyore- | valdyn: it's per-seat support (from one email address point-of-contact) per year, several thousands, but not a lot |
| 21:21.42 | rudenstam | hmm.. my dpkg hangs when running and I can't compile a new dpkg from source cuz it hangs because it sais there something wrong in bzlib.h |
| 21:21.45 | eeyore- | valdyn: IIRC, $3k/seat/year |
| 21:21.45 | rudenstam | any tips ? |
| 21:21.46 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: try jobs -l |
| 21:21.52 | dondelelcaro | buu: hrm... that's interesting... run an strace -f -o sshd sshd -e; and see what it's trying to do when it fails |
| 21:21.56 | Azar | nkuttler, another distro does not have issues with connection, goes ok , why Debian Sarge not? |
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| 21:22.04 | nkuttler | Azar: ah |
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| 21:22.07 | neurogeek | Hello.. any one knows a way of finding out how a certain software was compiled from a .deb file?? |
| 21:22.14 | Azar | Debian is better than any other distro |
| 21:22.16 | nkuttler | Azar: the hardware broke between the installs? |
| 21:22.18 | dondelelcaro | buu: you may also try sshd -o LogLevel DEBUG1 -e; or similar. |
| 21:22.20 | jlil | package samba not installed |
| 21:22.22 | tarzeau | neurogeek: look at the source package |
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| 21:22.30 | caphuso | kombi_: chmod 1730, but those aren't exactly useful permissions... |
| 21:22.30 | Azar | nkuttler, no he has a dual boot, windows goes ok |
| 21:22.32 | tarzeau | neurogeek: apt-get source whatever, then debian/rules |
| 21:22.39 | gregg | Azar: better is relative ;) |
| 21:22.43 | darko__ | lakcaj: will root-tail work with KDE ? |
| 21:23.03 | Azar | gregg, :) I prefer Debian over any other, but we will try with woody, it never failed me |
| 21:23.06 | neurogeek | tarzeau, thanks a lot.. does every package have source-deb?? |
| 21:23.15 | tarzeau | neurogeek: ever debian official package, yes |
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| 21:23.25 | jlil | nkuttler sama not imstalled |
| 21:23.26 | tarzeau | neurogeek: well there is some exceptions maybe |
| 21:23.30 | nkuttler | jlil: so... |
| 21:23.34 | Azar | I can do a woody>sarge>kernel2.6.8 in a blink |
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| 21:23.36 | kombi_ | caphuso: thanks! I was on /var/spool/maildrop, I chmod -R ed /var and try to limit the damage... |
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| 21:23.41 | neurogeek | tarzeau, thanks,, thats all i needed to know... i guess about the exceptions.. thanks again |
| 21:23.47 | gregg | ircops: essentially I am asking why a debian package should require another package that doesn't appear to be in the repos, and what can I do to rectify |
| 21:23.49 | buu | dondelelcaro: http://erxz.com/pb/55 |
| 21:23.54 | eeyore- | kombi_: geez. way to go. |
| 21:23.56 | jlil | nkuttler ap get install samba? |
| 21:24.07 | tarzeau | gregg: which pkg is that? |
| 21:24.07 | ircops | gregg: what release are you running? |
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| 21:24.14 | Azar | gregg: dependencies maybe? |
| 21:24.16 | nkuttler | jlil: well, if you fix those typos, yes |
| 21:24.41 | kombi_ | eeyore->: yeah, little step, great effect.. |
| 21:24.42 | buu | dondelelcaro: Hrm. Second command errors with an unsupported log level.. |
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| 21:24.43 | jdhutchin1 | gregg, what package are you installing? and do you have non-free and contrib in your sources list? |
| 21:24.56 | gregg | ircops: sarge tarzeau: gnome-bluetooth azar: yes dependencies, but deps are not there |
| 21:25.05 | xhypno | So everyone knows I found a solution. I dl'ed libsoup2.2-7 from packages.debian.org and installed it and it allowed gnome to install. Time to inform the Devs |
| 21:25.08 | eeyore- | kombi_: might as well compress your glibc while you're at it. save some space. |
| 21:25.20 | jlil | nklutter samba already newest version |
| 21:25.21 | ircops | gregg: did it ask you to try "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 21:25.30 | dondelelcaro | buu: hrm... what version of sshd is this? |
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| 21:25.36 | nkuttler | jlil: that doesn't make sense |
| 21:25.37 | Azar | gregg, not all packages were hatched at debian, but if you need an outside package you will need a helper package to stick it with debian |
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| 21:25.48 | jlil | nkutter i no that |
| 21:26.00 | nkuttler | jlil: where do you come from? |
| 21:26.02 | kombi_ | eeyore->: don't make fun of a broken man.. |
| 21:26.04 | buu | OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-4, OpenSSL 0.9.7g 11 Apr 2005 |
| 21:26.06 | jlil | can |
| 21:26.21 | gregg | ircops: no. just The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:26.21 | gregg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.21 | gregg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.21 | gregg | E: Broken packages |
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| 21:26.22 | eeyore- | kombi_: you need humour in times like this |
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| 21:26.25 | nkuttler | jlil: can you put a little more effort into your spelling? i'm not a native english speaker |
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| 21:26.29 | cheal | xhypno: inform them about what? |
| 21:26.34 | eeyore- | kombi_: why don't you ask someone to "ls -FlaR /var" and compare |
| 21:26.42 | dondelelcaro | buu: oh, my bad... it should be sshd -o LogLevel=DEBUG1 -e; |
| 21:26.44 | Azar | the dreaded gnome again |
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| 21:26.51 | tarzeau | gregg: apt-get install libgnutls10 libgcrypt7 says what? |
| 21:26.51 | gregg | whoops, sorry |
| 21:26.52 | ircops | !tell gregg about paste |
| 21:26.54 | jlil | nkuttler ok |
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| 21:27.05 | kombi_ | eeyore-> got a second machine for comparison, still a lot to do.. |
| 21:27.08 | nkuttler | jlil: join #flood |
| 21:27.11 | webfreak | cheal: some problem where gnome wouldn't install because an older version of libsoup wasn't installable |
| 21:27.14 | gregg | ircops: lesson learnt ;) |
| 21:27.25 | webfreak | cheal: i ran across it last week |
| 21:27.41 | kombi_ | eeyore->: like the mysqld.sock that won't work, even though permissions are ok.. |
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| 21:27.46 | jlil | nkuttler what flood? |
| 21:27.56 | cheal | webfreak: that's what I feared. that's why I'm asking him |
| 21:27.57 | eeyore- | kombi_: the socket file doesn't mean jack if there's no listener :) |
| 21:27.58 | nkuttler | jlil: type "/join #flood" |
| 21:27.59 | buu | dondelelcaro: I still just get the daemon() fail |
| 21:28.06 | valdyn | gregg: gnome-bluetooth is in sarge since when? |
| 21:28.07 | jlil | ok |
| 21:28.09 | Azar | jlil you were told to join the channel #flood |
| 21:28.21 | webfreak | cheal: ok |
| 21:28.25 | dondelelcaro | buu: hrm, and changing to DEBUG3 doesn't give you any more information? |
| 21:28.25 | kombi_ | eeyore-> can you elaborate? |
| 21:28.27 | eeyore- | kombi_: the socket should have been created by the mysql process itself, not you |
| 21:28.36 | eeyore- | kombi_: what do you mean "mysqld.sock" won't work? |
| 21:28.36 | gregg | tarzeau: libgnutls10 - no install candidate, but refered to by another package |
| 21:28.37 | kombi_ | so get rid of it? |
| 21:28.42 | gregg | val?? |
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| 21:28.47 | tarzeau | gregg: sid? |
| 21:28.59 | gregg | i guessed it was, I am using the standard repos |
| 21:29.06 | Azar | gregg depends what you are using: sarge, etch or sid |
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| 21:29.17 | tarzeau | with or without experimental |
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| 21:29.18 | buu | dondelelcaro: Well, I get a few more lines, but nothing seems very errorific |
| 21:29.19 | eeyore- | kombi_: sure, and restart mysql |
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| 21:29.29 | valdyn | gregg: gnome-bluetooth isnt in debian at all. |
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| 21:29.34 | kombi_ | eeyore-> wait.. |
| 21:29.36 | gregg | ok, so if it from sid, should the deps not be there also? |
| 21:29.43 | Hannibal | valdyn: skge didn't exist? |
| 21:29.47 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 21:29.48 | buu | dondelelcaro: http://erxz.com/pb/56 |
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| 21:30.13 | valdyn | Hannibal: hmm, possible, then it didnt get added there yet.. |
| 21:30.33 | Hannibal | valdyn: okay... so now I'll have to compile the alsa-projects latest version of alsa? |
| 21:30.36 | Azar | cutting-edge packages are not allways stable, they can break easily, gregg, sid is the "unstable" version of Debian |
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| 21:30.50 | valdyn | Hannibal: now you can install gcc-4.0 from sid into sarge, which is bad, compile your own kernel, which is hard, get alsa-source from sid, which is probably easiest |
| 21:30.51 | kombi_ | eeyore->: can't connect through socket var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock.. |
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| 21:31.06 | Hannibal | mm. I see. |
| 21:31.07 | valdyn | Hannibal: and compile alsa-modules from sid with your 2.6.8 kernel |
| 21:31.12 | Hannibal | okay. |
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| 21:31.14 | gregg | Azar: yes, this I knew. It seems there was a nonstandard repos in my list |
| 21:31.24 | Azar | ..unless you are an experienced guru and you know how to fix bugs |
| 21:31.34 | honschu | Hi, "tipptrainer" has a very small font and I get this error: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libsmooth.so", |
| 21:31.37 | gregg | I have cut to just the standard and now bluteooth is not there |
| 21:31.38 | valdyn | Hannibal: this seems the easiest way to me since you already have sk98lin from marvel compiled |
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| 21:31.53 | Scognito | hello |
| 21:32.00 | gregg | prolly why I am struggling so much ;) |
| 21:32.05 | tarzeau | honschu: joys of gtk |
| 21:32.11 | tarzeau | honschu: check gtk theme switcher |
| 21:32.14 | honschu | I use Hanibal: What kind of Motherboard do you have? |
| 21:32.15 | Scognito | i discovered why music skips when i some apps |
| 21:32.33 | Azar | gregg, personally I am not even daring to look at gnome, I use openbox, is easier and simpler for me |
| 21:32.39 | confrey | can anybody help me about PCMCIA? I can't do nothing with it |
| 21:32.40 | buu | dondelelcaro: Any idea? |
| 21:32.40 | Scognito | they are the nvidia closed source drivers, maybe because this 2.6 policy to give less priority to binary-only modules? |
| 21:32.41 | dondelelcaro | buu: and /dev/null exists, right? |
| 21:32.43 | Hannibal | honschu: ASUS P5AD2-E |
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| 21:33.14 | kombi_ | here's another one: drwxrwxrwt (/var/lock), how's that done? |
| 21:33.18 | cheal | Scognito: where did you read about such policy? |
| 21:33.26 | Hannibal | it's a pain to get it to work, but seeing as it's ASUS, I just hope it's worth it in the end... :P |
| 21:33.27 | krassy1809 | hi all |
| 21:33.29 | Scognito | don't remember...somewhere |
| 21:33.38 | Scognito | cheal, am i wrong? |
| 21:33.38 | honschu | tarzeau: I'll check this. |
| 21:33.40 | valdyn | Scognito: how would a low priority graphic driver make sound skip anyway? |
| 21:33.44 | buu | dondelelcaro: Er, actually, I think I screwed up dev null. When I ls -l it I get |
| 21:33.45 | buu | ded430-deb-175-30:~# ls -l /dev/null |
| 21:33.45 | buu | -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Sep 21 16:44 /dev/null |
| 21:33.51 | niooi | what's the font rendering engine used by debian testing? |
| 21:33.58 | cheal | Scognito: I don't know, but I doubt that's the cause |
| 21:34.36 | kombi_ | stew, would you know drwxrwxrwt too? |
| 21:34.38 | Hannibal | valdyn: sorry for the stupid question... |
| 21:34.43 | stew | kombi_: 1777 |
| 21:34.43 | Hannibal | valdyn: but apt-get -t unstable install alsa-source |
| 21:34.48 | tarzeau | buu: it should be crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Sep 20 2004 /dev/null |
| 21:34.49 | Hannibal | says I already have the latest version :s |
| 21:34.49 | stew | buu: how did you manage that? |
| 21:34.52 | kombi_ | thanks, stew! |
| 21:35.01 | tarzeau | buu: rm it, and use mknod |
| 21:35.02 | krassy1809 | why i can`t send messages to chat when i am root ? |
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| 21:35.06 | buu | stew: I was fucking around with chroots =/ |
| 21:35.11 | kombi_ | I have to learn that system.. |
| 21:35.16 | valdyn | Hannibal: -t unstable does nothing if you have no unstable sources |
| 21:35.17 | tarzeau | stew: easy to do, it happened to me as well with patch as root and /dev/null as the reject file |
| 21:35.17 | stew | !wikifaq kombi_ Permissions |
| 21:35.18 | buu | tarzeau: mknod /dev/null 1 3 ? |
| 21:35.18 | gregg | Azar: I am using KDE, but need bluetooth |
| 21:35.18 | dondelelcaro | buu: well, there you go. |
| 21:35.20 | dpkg | kombi_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:35.25 | Hannibal | valdyn: youch. Fair point |
| 21:35.26 | cheal | Scognito: I was referring to priority, since nvidia is an unpredictable driver |
| 21:35.30 | tarzeau | buu: you need "c" somewhere too |
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| 21:35.48 | buu | tarzeau: Any idea where? |
| 21:35.51 | krassy1809 | why i can`t send messages to chat when i am root ? |
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| 21:35.58 | valdyn | Hannibal: dont add unstable sources, you easily loose control over what you install and end up having more unstable than you want.. |
| 21:36.01 | michael | is it possible to bond two circuits (as in two DSL connections) trough a linux router? |
| 21:36.01 | Scognito | cheal, sincerely i don't know...but i see that when for example i minimize a window, it is slower to get minimized, and it seems to get all cpu it can...and sound has no avaiable cpu resource |
| 21:36.03 | tarzeau | buu: Usage: mknod [OPTION]... NAME TYPE [MAJOR MINOR] |
| 21:36.10 | valdyn | Hannibal: purely a recommendation however |
| 21:36.12 | tarzeau | buu: where it says TYPE |
| 21:36.15 | Hannibal | ah, okay |
| 21:36.16 | Scognito | i put nv driver right now and it solved everything |
| 21:36.18 | stew | krassy1809: man mesg ; root is mesg n |
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| 21:36.22 | Hannibal | I'll just download them and use dpkg then :) |
| 21:36.26 | dondelelcaro | buu: so cd /dev; rm null; mknod null c 1 3; |
| 21:36.28 | nyterukh | hi |
| 21:36.34 | eeyore- | kombi_: who owns /var/run/mysqld? should be mysql:root |
| 21:36.35 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 21:36.36 | dpkg | i heard simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 21:36.38 | Scognito | i cannot find logic explaination though |
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| 21:36.44 | valdyn | Hannibal: that's another option ^^^ |
| 21:37.04 | buu | YAY! |
| 21:37.13 | buu | I have ssh once more! Praise be to #debian |
| 21:37.13 | valdyn | Hannibal: not what i use myself however |
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| 21:37.37 | confrey | can anybody help me about PCMCIA? I can't do nothing with it |
| 21:37.52 | Hannibal | okay, new package. |
| 21:37.54 | Hannibal | youch |
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| 21:37.58 | nkuttler | confrey: just ask your question |
| 21:38.04 | krassy1809 | i just install package mozila-firefox but firefox is unable to run ? |
| 21:38.05 | Hannibal | I forgot to configure my IRC client on this machine to enable logging |
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| 21:38.24 | L|NUX | can some one help me in setting up debian mirror ? |
| 21:38.24 | Scognito | has somoene a nvidia card with nvidia modules too? |
| 21:38.35 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 21:38.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 21:38.48 | tarzeau | Scognito: i'm sure, someone does |
| 21:38.55 | tarzeau | linuxfreck: i'm sure someone can |
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| 21:39.02 | tarzeau | s/linuxfreck/LINUX/ |
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| 21:39.10 | Scognito | tarzeau, eh eh |
| 21:39.15 | pem3v78 | Scognito: I do :) |
| 21:39.17 | Scognito | i need some explaination |
| 21:39.17 | L|NUX | tarzeau : hmm |
| 21:39.26 | Azar | Scognito, you want to setup the nvidia driver? |
| 21:39.28 | tarzeau | Scognito: looks like #mindreaders here? |
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| 21:39.35 | cheal | Scognito: are you running some apps as root when that happens? |
| 21:39.41 | Scognito | cheal, no |
| 21:39.45 | krassy1809 | why just installed firefox is unable to run ? |
| 21:39.51 | tarzeau | krassy1809: sid? |
| 21:39.52 | confrey | nkuttler, it's the question; I have a the yenta-socket module installed, but I can't work with PCMCIA; I have a adaptor CF->PCMCIA, and I have a SD on the SD reader, that is working by PCMCIA slot, but I can't see anything |
| 21:39.56 | Scognito | tarzeau, no...i need some help if possible |
| 21:40.07 | Ajeet | Hello... Is there a way to find out what ethernet card and subsequent driver needed in Linux? (ABout to install Debian!) |
| 21:40.12 | Scognito | cheal, the problem is that after i switch from nvidia to nv i solved |
| 21:40.16 | krassy1809 | what sid ? |
| 21:40.22 | Scognito | but now i cannot get 3d :/ |
| 21:40.37 | tarzeau | krassy1809: which firefox did you install? |
| 21:40.38 | Azar | Scognito, read this help document http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 21:40.38 | nkuttler | confrey: did you install pcmcia-cs? |
| 21:40.44 | valdyn | Scognito: nv doesnt support "3D" |
| 21:40.55 | cheal | Azar: how do you think that would answer his question? |
| 21:40.57 | Scognito | Azar, i set up it yesterday from a site given me from here |
| 21:41.03 | lakcaj | Ajeet: do you already own the ethernet card? |
| 21:41.06 | Scognito | valdyn, i know :( |
| 21:41.08 | Hannibal | krassy1809: don't start FIrefox as root |
| 21:41.13 | Ajeet | I dunno... |
| 21:41.23 | valdyn | Scognito: did you try the nvidia one-liner ? |
| 21:41.28 | stew | krassy1809: try running it from the command line and see if you get any error messages |
| 21:41.47 | Azar | Scognito, did you installed the nvidia driver with the nvidia installer? |
| 21:42.25 | Azar | test |
| 21:42.25 | confrey | nkuttler, yes, it's installed |
| 21:42.43 | honschu | Hi, "tipptrainer" has a very small font and I get this error: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libsmooth.so". I also tried different themes without success. |
| 21:42.57 | lakcaj | Ajeet: are you asking what ethernet card to buy, or if your ethernet card will be supported? |
| 21:42.58 | tarzeau | !tell honschu about repeat |
| 21:42.59 | valdyn | honschu: in sarge? |
| 21:42.59 | nkuttler | confrey: and cardctl ident shows your card, yes? so it's an issue with your adaptor? |
| 21:43.03 | honschu | yes |
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| 21:43.17 | valdyn | !find libsmooth.so sarge |
| 21:43.19 | Scognito | i've installed them with module assistant |
| 21:43.19 | honschu | tarzeau: I didn't repeat completly. |
| 21:43.24 | confrey | nkuttler, no, carctl ident doesn't show anything |
| 21:43.26 | krassy1809 | the error message is :Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 21:43.32 | tarzeau | honschu: did you even try what i told you? |
| 21:43.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libsmooth.so' (2): (/usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines/libsmooth.so) in x11/gtk-engines-smooth ;; (/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libsmooth.so) in x11/gtk2-engines-smooth. |
| 21:43.41 | honschu | tarzeau: sure! |
| 21:43.44 | valdyn | Scognito: did you add 'nvidia' to /etc/modules ? |
| 21:43.48 | Azar | Scognito, so you have used the nvidia installer downloaded from nvidia site, right? |
| 21:43.58 | Ajeet | no, i want to know how to find out if i have one, so i can select a driver for it during debian install. |
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| 21:44.04 | Scognito | valdyn, sure |
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| 21:44.14 | honschu | tarzeau: I tried both - gtk-theme-switch and gtk-theme-switch2 with different _installed_ themes |
| 21:44.15 | Scognito | it is correctly loaded since i get the nvidia logo at X boot |
| 21:44.30 | Scognito | Azar, no, i used the sources from debian site |
| 21:44.37 | Scognito | and compiled with the help of m-a |
| 21:44.51 | valdyn | Scognito: what's teh problem then? just that firefox doesnt run? |
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| 21:44.58 | valdyn | !teh |
| 21:44.59 | dpkg | Broken keyboard or hand |
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| 21:45.37 | nkuttler | confrey: does dmesg say something about yenta? |
| 21:45.51 | Azar | Scognito was complaining about sound, there is nothing to do with nvidia video |
| 21:45.52 | honschu | tarzeau: is your tipptrainer working with normal font and no error? |
| 21:45.58 | LightVision | mkboot /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 <--- creates a grub bootdisc |
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| 21:46.05 | confrey | nkuttler, wiat please |
| 21:46.10 | Scognito | valdyn, no...the problem is that when i maximize/minimize an application while (for example) i'm listening music, audio skips for 0.5 seconds |
| 21:46.14 | krassy1809 | what meen this error: "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 21:46.15 | krassy1809 | " ? |
| 21:46.20 | Scognito | and the screen refresh is percetiple |
| 21:46.21 | confrey | nkuttler, no |
| 21:46.22 | tarzeau | honschu: no idea, i know 10finger typing already very well, and i prefer typespeed over any gtk application |
| 21:46.26 | Ajeet | anyone? |
| 21:46.37 | tarzeau | krassy1809: PEBKAC |
| 21:46.38 | valdyn | !dict percetiple |
| 21:46.39 | confrey | nkuttler, no yenta in dmesg |
| 21:46.39 | dpkg | could not find definition for percetiple |
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| 21:46.44 | tarzeau | krassy1809: you doing ssh? |
| 21:46.46 | humano | hi all |
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| 21:46.54 | Scognito | like 0.5 - 0.7 seconds to redraw the screen after an app changes from maximized to minimized and viceversa |
| 21:46.56 | confrey | but I have yenta-socket in pcimodules |
| 21:46.57 | krassy1809 | no |
| 21:46.58 | tarzeau | krassy1809: setting DISPLAY manually and changing user with su? |
| 21:47.13 | krassy1809 | yes |
| 21:47.20 | tarzeau | krassy1809: why? |
| 21:47.25 | LightVision | is using "mkboot" the best way to create a grub bootdisc in case the hard drive boot sector etc get corrupted? |
| 21:47.33 | humano | does anyone know other mp3 player for debian instead xmms? my xmms crahses everytime |
| 21:47.42 | tarzeau | humano: madplay |
| 21:47.47 | LightVision | humano: xmms never crashes for me |
| 21:47.51 | tarzeau | humano: xmms hasn't crashed here |
| 21:47.54 | valdyn | Scognito: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 21:47.56 | krassy1809 | i don`t know |
| 21:47.56 | LightVision | humano: what version you have? |
| 21:47.57 | MrBallZ | question: how can I add a user to the disk group ? |
| 21:48.01 | humano | sarge |
| 21:48.02 | tarzeau | humano: there's also cynthiune.app |
| 21:48.04 | Azar | humano , it has to do with your sound configuration, use alsa in xmms |
| 21:48.14 | Hannibal | valdyn: it compiled fine, it complains when trying to install the resulting package |
| 21:48.16 | LightVision | MrBallZ: does "adduser" work? |
| 21:48.17 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: you don't want to, really |
| 21:48.25 | humano | ok. ill try.. |
| 21:48.26 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: maybe use sudo instead? |
| 21:48.27 | nkuttler | confrey: hm, no idea... |
| 21:48.28 | Hannibal | Setting up alsa-modules-2.6.8 (1.0.9b-4+10.00.Custom) ... |
| 21:48.29 | krassy1809 | what is "PEBKAC" ? |
| 21:48.29 | Hannibal | FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.8': No such file or directory |
| 21:48.35 | tarzeau | !PEBKAC |
| 21:48.35 | dpkg | well, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 21:48.48 | Scognito | valdyn, for now i'm using nv so glx accel is not present |
| 21:48.52 | LightVision | I run Debian on hdb, and I want to totally format and clean hda. Whats the best way to format hda in Debian? |
| 21:48.55 | confrey | nkuttler, thanks |
| 21:48.55 | valdyn | Hannibal: hmm, how did you compile this? |
| 21:48.59 | tarzeau | Hannibal: that's not fatal |
| 21:49.01 | humano | how can i set the alsa in the xmms? |
| 21:49.06 | MrBallZ | I need to add Vmware to the disk user group |
| 21:49.13 | Azar | humano google for alsa, download it |
| 21:49.15 | Hannibal | valdyn: using the instructions in the README.debian file in the alsa-source package |
| 21:49.18 | tarzeau | MrBallZ: says who? |
| 21:49.20 | LightVision | MrBallZ: did you buy vmware? |
| 21:49.26 | valdyn | Scognito: cant debug nvidia when that isnt what you are using.. |
| 21:49.28 | Scognito | humano, install alsa and xmms alsa plugin |
| 21:49.29 | MrBallZ | I am makin a virtual machine that uses a physical partition, so in order to vmware to use it, it needs to be in the group |
| 21:49.32 | Hannibal | make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot modules-image |
| 21:49.36 | Scognito | ok i'll reboot X |
| 21:49.48 | Hannibal | tarzeau: I'm just copying the system's output, I'm dumb that way |
| 21:49.51 | LightVision | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:49.54 | Hannibal | don't ask me what is and isn't fatal ;) |
| 21:49.58 | humano | my alsa its fine.. i had a lot of work to install it. i can hear sounds from the pc, but when i try the xmms it crashes |
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| 21:50.05 | tarzeau | Hannibal: don't bother |
| 21:50.13 | MrBallZ | or, how do I change the owner of a device ? |
| 21:50.16 | humano | ahhhh ok.. apt-get? |
| 21:50.20 | MrBallZ | like, hda1 .. |
| 21:50.23 | tarzeau | Hannibal: but it's funny how someone manages to do that... what did you do? |
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| 21:50.31 | LightVision | how do you format a hard drive in Debian? |
| 21:50.36 | Hannibal | humano: try Noatun then, or mplayer... search the package list. |
| 21:50.36 | tarzeau | LightVision: mkfs |
| 21:50.39 | Azar | humano maybe you need some plugins, depends of what files are yo playing |
| 21:50.45 | tarzeau | !format |
| 21:50.45 | dpkg | somebody said format was apparently what Windows users call "mke2fs""fdisk" or both |
| 21:50.46 | valdyn | Hannibal: try 'apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i alsa' |
| 21:50.51 | Hannibal | tarzeau: nothing as far as I'm aware :( |
| 21:50.51 | Scognito | humano, i don't know for xmms, but alsa works with beep-media-player |
| 21:51.04 | LightVision | tarzeau: "mkfs /dev/hda" <-- will this format my hda? |
| 21:51.07 | kombi_ | stew: last one: drwx-wx-wt.. |
| 21:51.16 | valdyn | Hannibal: you did ( somehow ) compile against the wrong headers, make-kpkg doesnt really take care of that.. |
| 21:51.17 | tarzeau | LightVision: but not how you want it |
| 21:51.22 | tarzeau | LightVision: you'll want to partition it first |
| 21:51.30 | tarzeau | LightVision: but maybe tell us what you really want to do? |
| 21:51.36 | tarzeau | LightVision: check for bad blocks? |
| 21:51.41 | Ajeet | My PC doesn't seem to have an Ethernet card, will I still be able to install Debian? |
| 21:51.46 | Hannibal | valdyn: well, it's an unstable package and I'm compiling against the stable tree. |
| 21:51.46 | tarzeau | if it's larger than 2TB mabye you want it like that without partitions |
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| 21:51.56 | tarzeau | Ajeet: it'll be very painful |
| 21:51.57 | valdyn | Hannibal: doesnt matter. |
| 21:51.58 | Scognito | i'm using xorg...don't know if it is important |
| 21:52.03 | Azar | Ajeet, then you will use a PPP connection |
| 21:52.11 | Hannibal | valdyn: then I'm pretty sure I compiled against the right headers :S |
| 21:52.13 | kombi_ | Ajeet: yes, but get one for $5 |
| 21:52.26 | LightVision | tarzeau: I want to delete all partitions on hda and make it ONE partition. how would I do this please? |
| 21:52.28 | Ajeet | Well, I still don't know for sure whether I have one... Is there a way to check? |
| 21:52.35 | Hannibal | " Build of the alsa-source files failed - how do you want to proceed?" |
| 21:52.38 | jlil | any one good with samba |
| 21:52.45 | tarzeau | LightVision: cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 21:52.46 | EdgEy | Ajeet, you can install it without any internet connection |
| 21:52.50 | tarzeau | LightVision: delete them all, make one |
| 21:52.53 | Hannibal | View / Continue / Stop |
| 21:52.59 | valdyn | Hannibal: your 'right' system.map is like System.map-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:53.02 | LightVision | tarzeau: will that also clean the boot sectors on hda? |
| 21:53.04 | Ajeet | I'm doing netinstall though... |
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| 21:53.08 | nkuttler | jlil: i'm still waiting for what i asked you in #flood |
| 21:53.14 | EdgEy | Ajeet, dialup? |
| 21:53.22 | Ajeet | im on broadband |
| 21:53.24 | tarzeau | LightVision: no |
| 21:53.26 | EdgEy | if it's a crappy usb modem |
| 21:53.26 | jlil | nkutter |
| 21:53.35 | EdgEy | (like mine) netinstall = no |
| 21:53.35 | Azar | :) broadband uses an ethernet card |
| 21:53.40 | Hannibal | valdyn: I'm trying again and will look at the output again |
| 21:53.42 | tarzeau | LightVision: you'll want to use ms-sys or lilo or grub (or whatever, if you don't are on x86 crap) |
| 21:53.45 | EdgEy | Azar, not always... |
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| 21:53.51 | snookmz | anyone know of a decent single user console organiser? :) |
| 21:53.53 | Ajeet | ive got a usb broadband modem. |
| 21:53.54 | Hannibal | Ajeet: what makes you say you don't have an ethernet card? |
| 21:53.57 | Azar | EdgEy oh... I see |
| 21:54.00 | tarzeau | snookmz: that does what? |
| 21:54.01 | EdgEy | Ajeet, you won't be using netinstall then |
| 21:54.04 | Hannibal | ah. |
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| 21:54.15 | snookmz | tarzeau: todo list type organiser, sorry |
| 21:54.17 | EdgEy | i don't think you can anyway.. might be wrong |
| 21:54.23 | nkuttler | snookmz: hnb |
| 21:54.25 | tarzeau | snookmz: $EDITOR ~/.plan ? |
| 21:54.26 | LightVision | tarzeau: will a MS floppy and typing "fdisk /mbr" clean it? |
| 21:54.35 | Ajeet | I think I'll leave Debian alone then... |
| 21:54.35 | MrBallZ | how do I , grant VMware Workstation users access to all /dev/hd ... |
| 21:54.36 | snookmz | nkuttler: cheers, i'll check it out |
| 21:54.38 | EdgEy | Ajeet, lol |
| 21:54.42 | tarzeau | LightVision: i have no idea |
| 21:54.43 | snookmz | tarzeau: text files tend to get out of hand :P |
| 21:54.46 | EdgEy | pretty much all linux distros will be like that |
| 21:54.49 | Ajeet | I ain't doing 14 cds |
| 21:54.50 | EdgEy | usb modems = crap. |
| 21:54.50 | tarzeau | LightVision: why do you want to "clean" it? |
| 21:54.52 | krassy1809 | how i install compiled custom kernel |
| 21:54.52 | EdgEy | get ONE cd |
| 21:55.02 | Hannibal | valdyn: hrm, now it complains it can't find a file |
| 21:55.02 | EdgEy | then once it's installed you can install usb modem drivers and bam |
| 21:55.05 | tarzeau | LightVision: dd can clean it .. but you want somethign that you don't tell us |
| 21:55.07 | EdgEy | i have a usb modem :) |
| 21:55.07 | krassy1809 | how i can install compiled custom kernel ? |
| 21:55.10 | Hannibal | (a file it needs to compile) |
| 21:55.14 | Azar | Ajeet call your ISP and ask them if you use high speed or diaulp and ask them about all your network info: IP address, gateway address, DNS adresses. |
| 21:55.18 | lakcaj | EdgEy: Ajeet im on broadband |
| 21:55.23 | jlil | nkuttler i dont know how to get that list |
| 21:55.27 | tarzeau | krassy1809: dpkg -i custom.kernel.deb ? with make-kpkg right? |
| 21:55.35 | EdgEy | lakcaj, yes? |
| 21:55.48 | EdgEy | [23:10:17] <Ajeet> ive got a usb broadband modem. |
| 21:55.48 | lakcaj | EdgEy: Ajeet said he is on broadband |
| 21:55.51 | EdgEy | so? |
| 21:55.54 | EdgEy | USB. |
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| 21:55.58 | lakcaj | sorry, missed that |
| 21:56.05 | EdgEy | pretty sure netinstall isn't able to handle that |
| 21:56.12 | nkuttler | jlil: are you in x? highlight it in a terminal, middle click the irc window when you're in #flood |
| 21:56.22 | EdgEy | you may be able to run drivers with it but.. it's way easier to just install from the full CD1 and go from there |
| 21:56.32 | Azar | Ajeet you only can order the CDs, they are cheap |
| 21:56.35 | valdyn | Hannibal: *what* complains about which file, did you use the module-assistant line from above? |
| 21:56.41 | Scognito | valdyn, do i have to enable glx extension? |
| 21:56.46 | Hannibal | valdyn: yes. |
| 21:56.48 | Ajeet | Or I could download them? |
| 21:56.51 | Hannibal | it complained about a .o file |
| 21:56.53 | EdgEy | Ajeet, just get cd1 |
| 21:57.06 | EdgEy | cmon, you're on "broadband", even on 512k it wouldn't take that long |
| 21:57.23 | EdgEy | http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php?lang=en - for usb modem drivers. not that hard to install (i'm a linux noob and i did it :P) |
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| 21:57.31 | gouvernator | hi folks |
| 21:57.34 | Azar | EdgEy how would he be able to have a connection through a USB with no ethernet card? |
| 21:57.46 | EdgEy | Azar, never seen a USB adsl modem before? |
| 21:57.55 | confrey | again : I can't use PCMCIA, help me please |
| 21:57.59 | Azar | EdgEy, no thats a novelty to me |
| 21:58.00 | EdgEy | good, you don't want to :) |
| 21:58.01 | Hannibal | okay, here we go again. |
| 21:58.04 | tarzeau | EdgEy: they are the nightmare |
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| 21:58.08 | valdyn | Scognito: yea |
| 21:58.14 | EdgEy | get them free with a lot of ISP's here (uk) |
| 21:58.18 | EdgEy | not sure about other places |
| 21:58.26 | tarzeau | EdgEy: also here in (ch), and they suck ass |
| 21:58.29 | EdgEy | yep |
| 21:58.30 | EdgEy | :) |
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| 21:58.34 | Hideki_grrrrr | Err, I'm running sarge, currently being packeted with ICMP, how do I find out the IP it's coming from? (or ideally see all packets as they come in) |
| 21:58.45 | Ajeet | Azar, EdgEY: Is there anyway, e.g. through console, to determine what/if ethernet card is present? |
| 21:58.58 | tarzeau | EdgEy: not even useful as a paperweight |
| 21:59.01 | Azar | Hideki_grrrrr, block ICMP incoming |
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| 21:59.04 | tarzeau | cheap plastic shit |
| 21:59.06 | EdgEy | Ajeet, it doesn't matter really |
| 21:59.15 | EdgEy | if you have a usb modem, you won't be using ethernet to connect |
| 21:59.24 | EdgEy | unless you have/plan to buy an ethernet modem :P |
| 21:59.25 | Hannibal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.27 | Hannibal | /bin/sh: line 1: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: Onbekend bestand of map |
| 21:59.29 | Hannibal | make[6]: *** [/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/acore/hwdep.o] Fout 1 |
| 21:59.34 | Hannibal | valdyn: see above |
| 21:59.37 | Hannibal | didn't help :( |
| 21:59.45 | jlil | nkuttler any ideas? |
| 21:59.47 | mua | Can some one tell me the name of the latest STABLE debian distr.? |
| 21:59.50 | Ajeet | Well, perhaps, so I need to know if I have an ethernet card in the damn PC? |
| 21:59.54 | Scognito | valdyn, what about DRI? |
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| 22:00.06 | Hannibal | mua: sarge? |
| 22:00.08 | hakim | hello all |
| 22:00.13 | valdyn | Scognito: nope |
| 22:00.13 | EdgEy | ajeet you know the line that goes into your usb modem |
| 22:00.26 | Ajeet | Yes... |
| 22:00.27 | EdgEy | look for a socket like that but a little larger on the back of your comp. ethernet. :) |
| 22:00.39 | Scognito | ok i disable it |
| 22:00.41 | mua | thnx.. |
| 22:00.43 | EdgEy | most recent motherboards have them built in |
| 22:00.49 | Hannibal | !tell mua about sarge |
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| 22:00.59 | EdgEy | ethernet cards are cheap as shit anyway if you don't have one, £5ish |
| 22:01.19 | Hannibal | valdyn: any clue what may have caused that? :( |
| 22:01.43 | priscilla | Hello!!! i've got a question. can I boot a window$ on a logical partition? I used grub |
| 22:01.47 | valdyn | Hannibal: not really, i would have though that even new alsa compiles against 2.6.8, seems like it does not. |
| 22:01.49 | Hideki_grrrrr | that isn't what I asked |
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| 22:02.07 | Hideki_grrrrr | I asked to see what IP it's coming from so I can block just that IP |
| 22:02.11 | valdyn | Hannibal: btw, use LC_ALL <command> before you paste something, so i can read english ) |
| 22:02.12 | nkuttler | jlil: well, i think you should go to your local linux user group or buy some good linux beginner book |
| 22:02.13 | Hannibal | valdyn: it compiled fine the first time I tried |
| 22:02.27 | caphuso | Hideki_grrrrr: doesn't help |
| 22:02.31 | Scognito | rebooting X |
| 22:02.31 | Hannibal | should I run make clean? |
| 22:02.37 | Hannibal | valdyn: will do. |
| 22:02.53 | priscilla | is that possible? |
| 22:02.59 | mua | and what about etch? wtf? |
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| 22:03.20 | hakim | priscilla: you're asking in the wrong place |
| 22:03.22 | Azar | Hideki_grrrrr, do a netstat -na and see |
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| 22:03.37 | cheal | mua: wtf? |
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| 22:04.02 | Hideki_grrrrr | bah, I'd rather listen to vogon poetry than try to get support in here |
| 22:04.15 | priscilla | ok, do you know where can I have some help about that? |
| 22:04.17 | Azar | good you figured it you Hideki_grrrrr |
| 22:04.37 | Hideki_grrrrr | I did that, it doesn't show icmp unfortunately |
| 22:04.40 | LightVision | tarzeau: I want to clean hda and only keep hdb where Debian is |
| 22:04.46 | hakim | priscilla: in some winz place i guess |
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| 22:04.55 | tarzeau | LightVision: use dd? |
| 22:04.57 | Hideki_grrrrr | they're literally just pinging my connection constantly |
| 22:05.00 | LightVision | tarzeau: I want hda clean because I am going to install another distro on it |
| 22:05.02 | Azar | Hideki, this is a #debian help, not a security help |
| 22:05.05 | Hideki_grrrrr | I'm also getting this channel half a page at a timee |
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| 22:05.20 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 22:05.20 | dpkg | [harden-doc] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 22:05.22 | othernoob | could a firmware update of a dvd burner done in windows cause speed problems in linux? |
| 22:05.26 | snookmz | nkuttler: hnb is decent, thanks :) |
| 22:05.31 | LightVision | tarzeau: if I clean hda, will grub menu and Debian on hda still load? |
| 22:05.41 | Hideki_grrrrr | I'm running debian? |
| 22:05.44 | tarzeau | LightVision: if grub is loaded from hda, no |
| 22:05.47 | nkuttler | snookmz: np |
| 22:06.03 | tarzeau | Hideki_grrrrr: I'm hungry? |
| 22:06.10 | LightVision | tarzeau: but you said earlier the boot sector wont be affected, i thought grub menu is loaded from the hda boot sector. no? |
| 22:06.25 | tarzeau | LightVision: usually it is |
| 22:06.30 | eurisko | hi all , i am trying to setup sound here and i am not being sucessful, although i haved done this lots of time. the correct module is loaded and workin . intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 52356 usecs |
| 22:06.30 | eurisko | intel8x0: clocking to 47417 |
| 22:06.30 | eurisko | DeskCygnus:/home/eurisko# |
| 22:06.30 | eurisko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:06.33 | Hideki_grrrrr | isn't there a way to have it log every incoming packet |
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| 22:06.43 | eurisko | sorry |
| 22:06.44 | tarzeau | LightVision: you can remove hda, and make hdb be hda and fix it to work again easily |
| 22:06.44 | Hideki_grrrrr | that's what I'm wanting |
| 22:06.45 | Azar | trollignore operation |
| 22:06.46 | priscilla | ; ) jiji I use Linux but sadly I have to use window$ but I installed debian with no problems... but I can't do a dual boot with grub |
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| 22:07.00 | LightVision | tarzeau: you say 2 contradictory things! are you sure you know what you talking about? :) |
| 22:07.04 | tarzeau | LightVision: you'll need to fiddle with /etc/fstab and some live cd to install grub to the mbr of it |
| 22:07.12 | tarzeau | LightVision: yes i'm sure |
| 22:07.12 | eurisko | tarzeau --- ur nickname , aren't u from gnuwin team? |
| 22:07.25 | lenux | i have a question i have a mix of scsi and ide devices in old computer scsi controls the computer is this faster than ide ...and deos it affect the ability to run a live linux cd........ |
| 22:07.27 | Azar | eurisko: u |
| 22:07.29 | tarzeau | eurisko: haha, yes i've done some stuff for them, but they're dead, aren't they? |
| 22:07.30 | LightVision | eurisko: whats the gnuwin team?? |
| 22:07.34 | tarzeau | LightVision: dead |
| 22:07.41 | eurisko | it's a dead project |
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| 22:07.56 | valdyn | lenux: nope |
| 22:07.56 | eurisko | i have done the portuguese translation, i liked that project |
| 22:08.04 | Scognito | now i'm with nvidia drivers again |
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| 22:08.11 | lenux | is scsi faster |
| 22:08.12 | tarzeau | eurisko: nice. now you use debian? |
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| 22:08.14 | Scognito | i've just recompiled as that txt says |
| 22:08.17 | tarzeau | lenux: it can be sometimes |
| 22:08.19 | mua | etch and sid? what is it? sid, imho unstable.. and etch? |
| 22:08.26 | eurisko | i already used it that time :) |
| 22:08.27 | LightVision | tarzeau: what exactly is stored in the boot sectors! nothing but a "pointer" to /etc/fstab ? |
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| 22:08.31 | tarzeau | mua: testing |
| 22:08.38 | Scognito | seems i have less sound skipping |
| 22:08.38 | Azar | mua: sarge = stable, etch= testing, sid=unstable |
| 22:08.40 | tarzeau | LightVision: no, nothing with fstab |
| 22:08.40 | valdyn | lenux: your info is so damn vague that its impossible to give any useful reply |
| 22:08.43 | Hannibal | valdyn: wewt! |
| 22:08.45 | cheal | Hideki_grrrrr: did you try tcpdump? |
| 22:08.46 | eurisko | my onboard sound toda isn't workin since i moved to 2.6 |
| 22:08.53 | Hannibal | valdyn: I got it to install the compiled package |
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| 22:08.57 | tarzeau | LightVision: ahm there's some good texts on this. check the homepage of ms-sys |
| 22:09.00 | LightVision | tarzeau: that blue menu i see at boot time, where is that? |
| 22:09.02 | mua | thnx azar |
| 22:09.15 | tarzeau | LightVision: it's split over several places ;) |
| 22:09.18 | lenux | cuz this thing has so much wires is sick has ide and scsi wires stung eveywhere my prob is it wont read isos |
| 22:09.20 | Hannibal | and you were right, I compiled from headers-2.6.8-2 instead of headers-2.6.8-2-686 at first. |
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| 22:09.23 | LightVision | tarzeau: where is ms-sys? |
| 22:09.29 | Scognito | but still have them |
| 22:09.31 | Hannibal | valdyn: so now what? |
| 22:09.34 | lenux | it reads cd tho contents |
| 22:09.36 | Hannibal | should it work immediately? |
| 22:09.37 | tarzeau | LightVision: some part is in the mbr (usually) and the rest on a filesystem |
| 22:09.38 | LightVision | tarzeau: that blue menu i see at boot time, where is that split exactly? |
| 22:09.44 | Hannibal | or do I need a modprobe or something similar? |
| 22:09.48 | tarzeau | LightVision: packages.debian.org/ms-sys |
| 22:09.56 | tarzeau | LightVision: the copyright file has a link to the homepage |
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| 22:10.18 | LightVision | tarzeau: ok ty |
| 22:10.36 | valdyn | Hannibal: modprobe snd-hda-intel |
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| 22:10.47 | LightVision | tarzeau: that website u gave has nothing |
| 22:11.04 | Hannibal | valdyn: module not found :( |
| 22:11.08 | tarzeau | LightVision: click unstable, click homepage |
| 22:11.11 | eurisko | i have the mixer workin and all, i jsut can't understand why i don't have any sound output. |
| 22:11.15 | tarzeau | LightVision: http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:11.19 | LightVision | tarzeau: im running sarge |
| 22:11.21 | Hannibal | valdyn: this time, I did not use the helper app you mentioned |
| 22:11.26 | LightVision | tarzeau: ok ty |
| 22:11.29 | Hannibal | would that mean I need to do something else first? |
| 22:11.31 | Scognito | nothing to do |
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| 22:11.36 | Scognito | it is still unusable |
| 22:11.44 | valdyn | Hannibal: i guess you havent edited /etc/alsasrc.conf ( or whatever taht file was called.. ) |
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| 22:12.10 | tarzeau | LightVision: check the Links part of the page |
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| 22:12.27 | lenux | i try using knoppix but the comp boots into ide then into scsi bios and geos directly to windows...i have cd boot first then hd.........should i try just running ide and scrap the scsi? it is first computer i had with scsi |
| 22:12.46 | tarzeau | !they don't know |
| 22:12.46 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 22:12.51 | tarzeau | lenux: this is #debian |
| 22:13.03 | eck | how long did it take gnome 2.10 to reach unstable? |
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| 22:13.15 | eurisko | can someone give me a hand |
| 22:13.20 | lenux | well im going install debain but if you can t help then ill leavew |
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| 22:13.35 | othernoob | could a firmware update of a dvd burner done in windows cause speed problems in linux? |
| 22:13.38 | thingfish | eck: a while. it's in etch, now. |
| 22:13.44 | tarzeau | lenux: you have ide and scsi harddisks? |
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| 22:14.06 | hakim | bye all |
| 22:14.16 | tarzeau | othernoob: it shouldn't , unless the firmware is badly buggy, but it'd give problems on both |
| 22:14.39 | Hannibal | valdyn: I haven't. What should I have done with it? |
| 22:14.48 | LightVision | tarzeau: i downloaded a file called "ms-sys_1.1.3-1_i386.deb." how do I install this now? |
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| 22:15.00 | lenux | i got both setup hdd is scsi and jazz drive is ide and floppy is scsi its retarted ..... |
| 22:15.03 | tarzeau | LightVision: you should've used "apt-get install ms-sys" |
| 22:15.06 | othernoob | tarzeau: okay, i haven't tried burning something in win, hardly use it, but will try tomorrow. it's just weird that i'm burning at 3x now instead of 8x :/ |
| 22:15.12 | LightVision | tarzeau: now you tell me :) hehe |
| 22:15.15 | LightVision | tarzeau: ok ty :) |
| 22:15.21 | tarzeau | LightVision: that is something, everybody just knows |
| 22:15.22 | lenux | just want it to read iso it wont cuz of bois i guess |
| 22:15.24 | thingfish | LightVision: man dpkg |
| 22:15.40 | Hannibal | doh. Okay, let me try that all over again... |
| 22:15.46 | thingfish | LightVision: dpkg -i foo |
| 22:15.54 | tarzeau | lenux: you didn't answer my question |
| 22:15.57 | LightVision | thingfish: got it, ty |
| 22:16.00 | thingfish | np |
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| 22:16.05 | Rawplayer | does anyone in here have experience with a intel stl2 server board? |
| 22:16.19 | valdyn | Hannibal: look at the file, you need to set it to compile all drivers or to compile just yours ( hda-intel on alsa 1.0.9rc2+ / azx on lower versions ) |
| 22:16.29 | lenux | i hace scsi harddrive? |
| 22:16.31 | Hannibal | I see. |
| 22:16.33 | lenux | have |
| 22:16.34 | LightVision | tarzeau LightVision: that is something, everybody just knows <-- when you say "everybody", you mean 6.5billion people on earth know it? or you mean 100% of linux users? |
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| 22:16.49 | tarzeau | LightVision: debian users |
| 22:16.54 | valdyn | Hannibal: so this should be hda-intel |
| 22:17.04 | LightVision | tarzeau: so you claim 100% of every single Debian users know about that? |
| 22:17.05 | MasterChief1 | Hi everyone! I know this is in the wrong channel but no one is in the ProFTPD channel. Here is my problem. I want to log in to proftpd with a system account, I go into my FTP client on a remote computer and type in the address, username, and password. I press connect and it connects, but when it gets to PASSWORD it says INVALID PASSWORD but I have the correct password, any ideas about it? |
| 22:17.25 | LightVision | tarzeau: your logic is flawed, because im a Debian user and didnt know that |
| 22:17.35 | tarzeau | LightVision: then you didn't RTFM |
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| 22:17.44 | tarzeau | LightVision: and you are a bad user, you should be spanked |
| 22:17.49 | tarzeau | go into the corner |
| 22:17.49 | LightVision | tarzeau: I know about apt-get, but didnt know about ms-sys |
| 22:17.56 | EdgEy | apt-cache search |
| 22:17.57 | EdgEy | use it |
| 22:18.03 | tarzeau | LightVision: if you know apt-get, why do you download .deb files? |
| 22:18.04 | EdgEy | apt is your god |
| 22:18.08 | LightVision | tarzeau: well, no thanks. dont like being spanked :P |
| 22:19.08 | LightVision | tarzeau: because not all files are available with apt-get! that is something, everybody just knows :) |
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| 22:19.08 | Hannibal | ugh. valdyn, I'm stupid. How would I save a file I edited with kate/kwrite into an area where I can't write? starting Kate as root (a) doesn't work and (b) is something I shouldn't be doing, right? |
| 22:19.08 | tarzeau | LightVision: all files not available from debian repositories should not ever be used |
| 22:19.08 | LightVision | tarzeau: have you ever installed anything anfd not used apt-get to do it? |
| 22:19.08 | tarzeau | LightVision: because they *will* break your system, sooner or later |
| 22:19.08 | EdgEy | never use mplayer?? |
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| 22:19.15 | tarzeau | LightVision: yes, but i knew what i did |
| 22:19.15 | honschu | Which of the files in /etc/gtk is interpreted? I want to change fontsize. |
| 22:19.28 | valdyn | Hannibal: use sudo or sux to become root, then that works |
| 22:19.28 | MasterChief1 | Can anyone here help me? |
| 22:19.28 | valdyn | Hannibal: apt-get install sux |
| 22:19.43 | LightVision | tarzeau: rofl :) you are such a hypocrtite :) you preach for others not to do something that YOU yourself have done :) heheh |
| 22:19.49 | honschu | I need to change fontsize for gtk1 applications. How to do this? |
| 22:19.53 | LightVision | tarzeau: im joking around btw :) |
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| 22:19.56 | tarzeau | honschu: still this fucking gtk problem. i so hate gtk |
| 22:19.58 | LightVision | tarzeau: its funny :) |
| 22:20.10 | honschu | tarzeau: still this problem. |
| 22:20.12 | tarzeau | LightVision: i don't whine about it like you |
| 22:20.19 | LightVision | tarzeau: so did this break your system? |
| 22:20.23 | tarzeau | LightVision: if i break something, i fix it, without whining in here |
| 22:20.39 | tarzeau | LightVision: no it iddn't, because i knew what i did (but yes sometimes thigns break, but then i just fix it) |
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| 22:20.44 | honschu | tarzeau: How do I know which configfile is used in /etc/gtk ? iso-8559-15 isn't. |
| 22:21.01 | eck | is there an easy way to find out which packages that have been recommended by installed packages are not on my system? |
| 22:21.03 | tarzeau | honschu: i don't know, as i said, i hate gtk so much, i don't use it at all |
| 22:21.11 | LightVision | tarzeau: you admited to having installed something without using apt-get, and you also claimed they will break your system! so tell me, has 100% everything you installed without apt-get broken your system? |
| 22:21.20 | honschu | tarzeau: okay... |
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| 22:21.28 | LightVision | tarzeau: rofl :) you are such a hypocrite :) |
| 22:21.45 | Xenguy | beg me to ignore you all :P |
| 22:21.47 | tarzeau | LightVision: you're going on my nerves |
| 22:21.53 | tarzeau | Xenguy: please do it |
| 22:21.54 | Xenguy | oh, you already did :P |
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| 22:22.19 | bcc_ | is initrd needed with grub? or does it depend on how the kernel was compiled? |
| 22:22.28 | LightVision | tarzeau: you are going on your own nerves because you know I speak truth :) but anyway, topic dropped :) |
| 22:22.34 | MasterChief1 | ? |
| 22:22.37 | tarzeau | bcc_: no for the first question |
| 22:22.46 | tarzeau | LightVision: bullshit, i disagree |
| 22:22.56 | Xenguy | nya nya nya |
| 22:22.56 | bcc | tarzeau: hmm, is it needed when using lilo? |
| 22:23.03 | tarzeau | LightVision: i've seen plenty people break their system, just like you will |
| 22:23.16 | LightVision | tarzeau: you cant disagree because I showed how you contradicted yourself with 2 different things |
| 22:23.19 | tarzeau | LightVision: and i've fixed about the same amount of systems |
| 22:23.26 | Xenguy | oh alright |
| 22:23.30 | tarzeau | LightVision: sorry, don't take this personally: fuck off |
| 22:23.46 | EdgEy | lol |
| 22:23.49 | tarzeau | bcc: no, it depends on how you configured the kernel |
| 22:23.52 | Xenguy | plonkety plonk |
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| 22:24.05 | bcc | tarzeau: ok, thanks. |
| 22:24.11 | LightVision | tarzeau: your original comment was that everything installed without using apt-get will break your system! AND then you said not everything you installed without apt-get has broken your system! etc etc! you made 3 comments that contradicted itself :) |
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| 22:24.34 | LightVision | tarzeau: i dont take anything personally :) and nothing you say has power to upset me, sorry, you dont hold enough value for me to bother me :) |
| 22:24.39 | LightVision | brb food time :) |
| 22:24.48 | csy | guys trying to install rtg..i get the error |
| 22:24.48 | Hannibal | valdyn: okay, the modprobe didn't error |
| 22:24.51 | Xenguy | .oO(wow, this channel is suddenly peaceful - nice :-) |
| 22:24.59 | csy | /usr/local/rtg/bin/rtgpoll -v -t targets.cfg |
| 22:25.00 | csy | /usr/local/rtg/bin/rtgpoll: error while loading shared libraries: libnetsnmp.so.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:25.08 | csy | but the file is /usr/local/lib/libnetsnmp.so.9 there |
| 22:25.13 | csy | how do i specify it if you understand what i mean? |
| 22:25.17 | lenux | yea i always thought channels where to help anyway when 1 had a question .....which they are not i guess just here for flames or bullshit remarks |
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| 22:25.39 | Hannibal | valdyn: xmms plays without errors, but I don't hear anything |
| 22:25.41 | Xenguy | lenux: this channel has a reputation that, er, precedes it ;-) |
| 22:25.49 | Hannibal | I did hear something on the other kernel |
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| 22:25.58 | Xenguy | lenux: /ignore is your friend, bigtime, around here |
| 22:26.18 | MasterChief1 | Can anyone see my text? |
| 22:26.21 | Xenguy | but, hey, it works |
| 22:26.25 | Xenguy | MasterChief1: yup |
| 22:26.38 | MasterChief1 | Just makin sure. |
| 22:26.46 | LightVision | tarzeau: btw, that ms-sys you recommended does nothing towards my initial objective. |
| 22:27.07 | csy | anyone? my above question? |
| 22:27.14 | tarzeau | LightVision: i told you to read its homepage to answer your questions about "format"ting harddisks |
| 22:27.32 | tarzeau | LightVision: but you just don't know what you want |
| 22:27.49 | Hannibal | valdyn: merm, I used autodetect in the KDE Control center, now XMMS does error :S |
| 22:27.49 | Xenguy | csy: you aren't using apt-get, are you? |
| 22:27.55 | csy | no |
| 22:27.57 | LightVision | tarzeau: i am very clear about my objective, its just your listening skills need developing :) |
| 22:28.03 | Xenguy | csy: how come? |
| 22:28.09 | tarzeau | LightVision: i think you can't clearly say what you want |
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| 22:28.20 | csy | rtg isnt on in the apt repositories |
| 22:28.22 | LightVision | tarzeau: my initial objective I shared with you has nothing to do with ms windows |
| 22:28.26 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 22:28.33 | tarzeau | LightVision: what has anything to do with ms windows, here? |
| 22:28.44 | vineet | will you two just /ignore each other and get on with it? =p |
| 22:28.52 | LightVision | tarzeau: I am very clear about communicating my objective, its just your understanding is underdeveloped. |
| 22:28.56 | kenboo | csy LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/ust/local/lib ? |
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| 22:29.05 | Xenguy | csy: I see 'mrtg' - is that similar, or no? |
| 22:29.08 | lenux | what room besides hardware can i get help on ide and scsi |
| 22:29.11 | LightVision | tarzeau: ms-sys, the program you told me to get, has nothing to do with my objective |
| 22:29.16 | csy | nah, mrtg is similar |
| 22:29.23 | tarzeau | LightVision: why don't you fucking /ignore me? |
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| 22:29.38 | Xenguy | csy: suppertime, bbl |
| 22:29.43 | tarzeau | lenux: if you answered my question, i'd be glad to help you |
| 22:29.44 | csy | ok |
| 22:29.47 | LightVision | tarzeau: in case you didn't know, ms-sys stands for Microsoft-sys, lol |
| 22:29.49 | dli | x11_request_forwarding: bad authentication data: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 |
| 22:29.53 | csy | kenboo: done that, but still same error message |
| 22:29.57 | LightVision | tarzeau: good idea because you have no idea. :) |
| 22:30.09 | tarzeau | LightVision: in case you didn't know, i've packaged it |
| 22:30.14 | Hannibal | valdyn: wee. I used alsaconf, and now it all works :D |
| 22:30.17 | dli | when I do "ssh -X", I got the xauth problem |
| 22:30.24 | Hannibal | valdyn: thanks a LOT for putting up with me :) |
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| 22:30.32 | kenboo | csy oic. besides, ldd is a useful tool |
| 22:30.33 | tarzeau | LightVision: and it's not my fault when upstream gives software a bad name |
| 22:30.38 | vineet | dli: make sure you have xauth installed on the server machine |
| 22:30.40 | tarzeau | LightVision: but feel free to tell him to change it |
| 22:30.47 | csy | any ideas? :x |
| 22:30.50 | vineet | dli: (it's in xbase-clients) |
| 22:31.04 | tarzeau | dli: xorg, right? |
| 22:31.08 | LightVision | tarzeau: your small achievements dont impress me :) when you become a full blown debian developer, then come see me, i will be impressed :) until that time, being a "wanna-be" doesnt impress me |
| 22:31.16 | dli | tarzeau, right |
| 22:31.21 | dli | tarzeau, just upgraded |
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| 22:31.41 | tarzeau | *plonk* |
| 22:31.54 | LightVision | !hug tarzeau |
| 22:31.57 | tarzeau | dli: heh, can you tell me when it works again? ;) |
| 22:32.17 | LightVision | tarzeau: thank you anyway for all your help, I appreciate your effort |
| 22:32.19 | dli | tarzeau, you didn't tell me how to make it WORK :( |
| 22:32.48 | tarzeau | dli: hehe, i've luckily not had the need for xorg yet |
| 22:33.07 | Guerin | ah, LightVision is trolling again |
| 22:33.11 | valdyn | !win Hannibal |
| 22:33.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, Hannibal! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 22:33.21 | tarzeau | Guerin: why can't someone kickban trolls? |
| 22:33.29 | Hannibal | valdyn: lol |
| 22:33.29 | streuner | Guerin: she provokes almost everybody |
| 22:33.35 | dli | tarzeau, I have been using org in gentoo for a year (almost) |
| 22:33.37 | Guerin | tarzeau: someone can. This one's a pretty stealthy one, though. |
| 22:33.47 | LightVision | tarzeau: fyi, for future reference, that program you told me to install is used to create Microsoft compatible boot records. And as I have nothing to do with Ms windows, its useless to my initial objective. |
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| 22:34.00 | tarzeau | dli: and you're on sid now or etch? |
| 22:34.02 | Manoj_ | dli, what's the issue, again? |
| 22:34.14 | Guerin | LightVision: if you're so fucking smart, why don't you just do it yourself? |
| 22:34.21 | dli | Manoj_: I couldn't do X ssh forwarding |
| 22:34.24 | Manoj_ | dli, I can ssh -X someplace, and run xterm there, both sides running Sid |
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| 22:34.48 | defrabelizer | hey |
| 22:34.49 | dli | Manoj_: I can do "ssh -x" in gnome-terminal :( |
| 22:34.50 | Manoj_ | dli, /etc/ssh/sshd_config, make sure X11 forwarding is still turned on |
| 22:34.53 | defrabelizer | fun stuff at #secrets |
| 22:34.54 | LightVision | streuner: who provokes everyone? |
| 22:34.58 | Guerin | dli: -X, not -x |
| 22:35.02 | vineet | dli: it's a capital X |
| 22:35.03 | tarzeau | defrabelizer: fuck off |
| 22:35.14 | tarzeau | can someone not just kick&ban te fucking people? |
| 22:35.17 | Manoj_ | ssh -x means turn *OFF* X forwarding |
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| 22:35.33 | dli | Manoj_, AllowTcpForwarding yes |
| 22:35.33 | streuner | LightVision: you, i hardly can remember when you don't provoked people here |
| 22:35.43 | dli | Manoj_, 11Forwarding yes |
| 22:35.47 | tarzeau | streuner: you know, /ignore LightVision all ? |
| 22:35.59 | dli | Guerin, vineet I already said I couldn't do "ssh -X" |
| 22:36.12 | streuner | tarzeau: iam not a friend of ignoring things ;-) |
| 22:36.13 | Manoj_ | X11Forwarding yes\nX11DisplayOffset 10 |
| 22:36.19 | tarzeau | streuner: this is just a troll |
| 22:36.20 | vineet | dli: any more clues from ssh -X -vv ? |
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| 22:36.30 | Manoj_ | dli, somake sure X11Forwarding yes is also there |
| 22:36.44 | dli | Manoj_, yes, every there |
| 22:37.04 | Manoj_ | LightVision, what was your debian related question? |
| 22:37.19 | dli | debug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/X11/xauth list :0.0 . 2>/dev/null |
| 22:37.21 | LightVision | streuner: there are hundreds people here and I get along with all the ops and many others! I only "provoke" 3 people here ever, and these SAME 3 people aee provoked and complain about others too! the problem lies not with me! so when you say 'almost everyone" thats just your personal opinion based on guesswork |
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| 22:37.28 | Manoj_ | dli, so, please see what ssh -X -v someplace tells you |
| 22:37.33 | dli | debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. |
| 22:37.39 | LightVision | Manoj_: thank you for asking, but I got it fixed now :) |
| 22:37.42 | dli | x11_request_forwarding: bad authentication data: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 |
| 22:37.54 | dli | Manoj_, the final message is x11_request_forwarding: bad authentication data: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 |
| 22:37.54 | Manoj_ | dli, Hmm. |
| 22:38.44 | dli | Manoj_, if I run "ssh -x" in xterm, it close the term :( |
| 22:38.48 | gan|y|med | hi. i have an ati drivers issue. i have debian testing running and have migrated from xfree to x.org. i reinstalled fglrx in several ways and did all the configure stuff, but i still have the mesa drivers being used... |
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| 22:39.11 | dli | gan|y|med, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org |
| 22:39.19 | gan|y|med | it used to work with xfree 4.3.0 |
| 22:39.45 | tarzeau | gan|y|med: that's no warranty for anything |
| 22:39.49 | Manoj_ | dli, -x shall, that is not a bug. -x means turn off X11 |
| 22:39.58 | tarzeau | gan|y|med: i've seen x config files break from x woody to x sarge |
| 22:40.13 | abrotman | Manoj_: come back .. we miss you! |
| 22:40.17 | dli | Manoj_, turning off X11 doesn't mean to close the xterm :( |
| 22:40.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: hi |
| 22:40.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: kernels suck |
| 22:40.36 | Manoj_ | abrotman, eh? |
| 22:40.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: only linux kernels ;) |
| 22:40.44 | abrotman | Manoj_: you're there .. i thought you weren't :) |
| 22:40.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: which one particularly? |
| 22:40.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: yours . .mine works fine |
| 22:40.52 | dli | Manoj_, is xorg in testing just too buggy? or some configuration issues of myself |
| 22:41.00 | Manoj_ | dli, well, yes. ssh -v -v -X foo tells me stuff like: |
| 22:41.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: nothing sucks more than trolls in here |
| 22:41.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: you mean like that dirty Manoj_ ? :) |
| 22:41.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: nah, that's an ok person |
| 22:41.43 | Manoj_ | dli, debug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/X11/xauth list :0.0 . 2>/dev/null\n debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.\n debug2: channel 0: request x11-req confirm 0 |
| 22:41.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: i haven't seen any today . .i was at a client |
| 22:41.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: you've missed all the fun with LightVision |
| 22:41.58 | Manoj_ | dli, what does /usr/bin/X11/xauth list :0.0 give you? |
| 22:42.00 | gan|y|med | i mean it works with mesa. but i had the same issues with xfree in the beginning... then changed to external agpgart and back and forth... some time it started working... |
| 22:42.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: banned now? |
| 22:42.07 | gan|y|med | strange thing though |
| 22:42.08 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
| 22:42.16 | dli | Manoj_, xauth at the x-server of xclient? |
| 22:42.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: you mean mean LightVision and vagabund ? |
| 22:42.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: no still here, but the first person on my ignore list, after ubuntu |
| 22:42.25 | Manoj_ | dli, yes |
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| 22:42.41 | dli | Manoj_, weiser-reis /unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 43252e270d8f169c86f30fadbf1e6cc6 |
| 22:42.43 | Manoj_ | dli, I get MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, and XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 |
| 22:42.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: no idea about vagabund, but ignore is good for my heart |
| 22:42.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: she's not on mine .. but i'm on hers .. too bad . i've tried to help her numerous times .. |
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| 22:43.13 | LightVision | abrotman: you are not on my ignore anymore :) |
| 22:43.17 | libervisco | Any Ubuntuers here? |
| 22:43.19 | abrotman | LightVision: oh ok |
| 22:43.28 | abrotman | libervisco: #ubuntu |
| 22:43.29 | thingfish | libervisco: we hope not. |
| 22:43.32 | LightVision | abrotman: and you are correct, you have been a big help to me since I begin using linux |
| 22:43.35 | libervisco | Do you think Ubuntu is good for "exper" and "advanced" users? |
| 22:43.39 | valdyn | libervisco: now that is gross |
| 22:43.45 | abrotman | LightVision: but you've ignored me for .. what .. three weeks ? :)O |
| 22:43.49 | LightVision | abrotman: I have used much of your advice :) |
| 22:43.50 | sursar | Hi - I had a 2.4.26 kernel installed on a "proxy" server (2 NICs), I installed 2.4.27-2 (sarge) and now neither of my NICs seem to work; the syslog notes that they are being recognized, etc - how do I go about debugging this - anything I can do ? |
| 22:43.54 | thingfish | libervisco: Debian is good for "exper" and "advanced" users. |
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| 22:43.57 | LightVision | abrotman: no, it was for 2 weeks :) |
| 22:44.04 | gan|y|med | can it be that the glx extension has to disabled to get hardware opengl support from the driver? |
| 22:44.04 | abrotman | libervisco: depends .. |
| 22:44.06 | abrotman | LightVision: ah ok |
| 22:44.06 | tarzeau | sursar: what nics are those? |
| 22:44.09 | libervisco | :D |
| 22:44.09 | libervisco | sorry |
| 22:44.09 | LightVision | abrotman: but you become nice again :) |
| 22:44.12 | dli | Manoj_, so, I do have the XDM part :( |
| 22:44.15 | tarzeau | sursar: e1000? forcedeath(nvidia)? |
| 22:44.18 | libervisco | thingfish, I would think so :) |
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| 22:44.20 | abrotman | LightVision: i was always nice :) |
| 22:44.21 | LightVision | abrotman: it was just one day you were grumpy :) |
| 22:44.23 | tarzeau | sursar: yukon? |
| 22:44.28 | Mozes` | hello |
| 22:44.33 | LightVision | abrotman: the other days you been great :) |
| 22:44.34 | abrotman | LightVision: just don't tell my mom .. she still thinks i'm a prick bastard :) |
| 22:44.41 | LightVision | abrotman: lol |
| 22:44.44 | libervisco | I'm mostly in between Ubuntu and Debian these days |
| 22:44.44 | streuner | haha |
| 22:44.47 | LightVision | abrotman: I wont tell her :) |
| 22:44.49 | thingfish | in my opinion, Debian (sarge) is easier for beginners than ubuntu is. |
| 22:44.53 | libervisco | waiting for Debian CD's now |
| 22:45.02 | LightVision | libervisco: what can ubuntu do that Debian can't? |
| 22:45.06 | sursar | e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection && eth1: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0xde00, 00:0C:41:F1:6D:06, IRQ 22. |
| 22:45.07 | thingfish | I'm waiting on Debian DVDs. |
| 22:45.10 | abrotman | LightVision: it's just 'newer' .. |
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| 22:45.13 | thingfish | already have the CDs. |
| 22:45.16 | LightVision | thingfish: yes good point |
| 22:45.17 | libervisco | thingfish, interesting... can't wait to get it :) |
| 22:45.18 | abrotman | and some epopel equate newer with better |
| 22:45.22 | LightVision | abrotman: ok |
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| 22:45.23 | thingfish | I got tired of shuffling CDs. |
| 22:45.32 | sursar | tarzeau: issues with those NICs ? |
| 22:45.35 | libervisco | although I don't need easy for beginners ;) |
| 22:45.39 | dli | is xorg just too buggy in testing? |
| 22:45.39 | Mozes` | guys i got a prob while installing Debian...it wont recognize my HD's...they're both S-ATA II |
| 22:45.40 | thingfish | libervisco: you'll love it. Debian is really as good as linux gets. |
| 22:45.41 | tarzeau | sursar: no, it was just a question... |
| 22:45.50 | valdyn | dli: it works fine |
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| 22:45.51 | thingfish | dli: I'm sure not having any problems. |
| 22:45.52 | libervisco | I can't play DVDs |
| 22:45.55 | LightVision | thingfish: well said :) |
| 22:45.56 | valdyn | dli: including ssh -X |
| 22:45.58 | tarzeau | sursar: well later forcedeath aren't supported by debian sarge kernels |
| 22:46.02 | libervisco | no dvd player that is |
| 22:46.05 | tarzeau | sursar: yukon only by 2.6.10+ (or so) |
| 22:46.08 | LightVision | libervisco: I use kaffeine to play DVD |
| 22:46.16 | thingfish | !tell libervisco about marillat. |
| 22:46.18 | abrotman | libdvdread |
| 22:46.21 | libervisco | thingfish, great then :) |
| 22:46.25 | tarzeau | sursar: and for e1000, i've got one that makes horrible problems even with the latest intel drivers (with nis only) |
| 22:46.29 | thingfish | thank you, LightVision. |
| 22:46.36 | LightVision | thingfish: :) |
| 22:46.37 | dli | valdyn, I did "apt-get remove xprint-common;apt-get --yes install x-window-system", it closed my xchat window ! |
| 22:46.39 | libervisco | LightVision, via CD player? |
| 22:46.49 | gan|y|med | ciao |
| 22:46.51 | sursar | tarzeau: oddly enough - the 'uname -a' with the 2.4.26 notes SMP - and I _know_ this is a single processor box (Pentium-4) - could that be an issue ? |
| 22:46.54 | thingfish | it's just simply the truth. there is no better linux than Debian GNU/linux. |
| 22:47.04 | LightVision | libervisco: i cant play dvd from cd player |
| 22:47.08 | tarzeau | sursar: i don't think so |
| 22:47.11 | libervisco | thanks thingfish :) |
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| 22:47.18 | thingfish | np |
| 22:47.31 | Mozes` | guys i need help installing Debian... |
| 22:47.34 | tarzeau | sursar: can you not tell us what nics you have? |
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| 22:47.41 | tarzeau | Mozes`: and we can't read your mind |
| 22:47.45 | sursar | the only other things I could think about is iptables |
| 22:47.45 | LightVision | Mozes`: whats problem? |
| 22:47.54 | sursar | sursar: I did - noted above search for e100 |
| 22:47.55 | libervisco | LightVision, I misundrstood |
| 22:48.07 | LightVision | libervisco: I use kaffeine to play DVD from my dvd player |
| 22:48.08 | Mozes` | i was trying to install Debian and it didnt recognize any of my HD's, they're both S-ATA II |
| 22:48.08 | tarzeau | sursar: only e100 ? |
| 22:48.13 | libervisco | I don't have a hardware DVD player I should have said |
| 22:48.14 | tarzeau | sursar: was there not a 2nd one? |
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| 22:48.16 | LightVision | libervisco: seems to work ok |
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| 22:48.24 | sursar | tarzeau: e100 and ADMtek Comet |
| 22:48.27 | thingfish | libervisco: add marillat to your sources.list, and get the libdvd*s. (minus the -dev ones, of course). |
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| 22:48.36 | abrotman | libdvdread works for some dvds |
| 22:48.40 | libervisco | LightVision, yeah :) |
| 22:48.40 | LightVision | thingfish: he doesnt have a dvd player :P |
| 22:48.47 | valdyn | Mozes`: try linux26 at the boot prompt, if that does not work you might need a custom installer |
| 22:48.50 | thingfish | haha |
| 22:48.51 | thingfish | ok |
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| 22:48.57 | thingfish | that's a good one. |
| 22:48.59 | libervisco | thingfish, it would read DVD's via CD player? |
| 22:49.01 | LightVision | libervisco: thats why you cant play dvd,. you need a dvd player :P |
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| 22:49.03 | thingfish | no |
| 22:49.09 | libervisco | :D |
| 22:49.16 | thingfish | libervisco: no, you need a DVD drive to read DVDs. |
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| 22:49.27 | dli | valdyn, it did again :( I ran "aptitude" in an xterm, it closed the xterm and xchat which started within that term :( |
| 22:49.31 | libervisco | LightVision, well of course :D |
| 22:49.31 | libervisco | ah |
| 22:49.31 | libervisco | :D |
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| 22:49.33 | thingfish | unless you're viewing some ripped VOB or whatever. |
| 22:49.35 | sursar | tarzeau: any issues with iptables (note nothing is changing when I reboot into the new kernel) |
| 22:49.39 | LightVision | libervisco: believe me, i tried once to get my cd player to read a dvd :) it didnt work :P hehe |
| 22:49.40 | libervisco | yep |
| 22:49.52 | LightVision | libervisco: that was 4 years ago :P |
| 22:50.11 | libervisco | hehe |
| 22:50.16 | LightVision | libervisco: 1sec ping |
| 22:50.39 | LightVision | libervisco: now it jumped to 18.81 seconds |
| 22:50.48 | libervisco | well.. |
| 22:50.58 | libervisco | xchat shows full lag |
| 22:51.17 | libervisco | I'm downloading access log from my site via dial up, it's big |
| 22:51.25 | libervisco | oh, it finished finally :D |
| 22:51.31 | libervisco | now lag should dissappear :) |
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| 22:51.57 | libervisco | 12 MB it was |
| 22:52.12 | valdyn | libervisco: zipped? |
| 22:52.17 | tarzeau | sursar: probably depends on the configuration of it? try iptables -F turn it off. |
| 22:52.19 | libervisco | yeah, gzipped |
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| 22:53.03 | dli | valdyn, even if X-Forwarding failed, ssh shouldn't deny me ssh login :( |
| 22:53.18 | Flimzy | If person doesn't like PHP, is mod_perl the best web/scripting language to consider? Or are there other good options out there, too? |
| 22:53.32 | snookmz | just straight perl |
| 22:53.37 | valdyn | dli: you really have issues if ssh suddenly now denies you access |
| 22:53.41 | sursar | tarzeau: ok, I'll try that a bit later (people using the machine) |
| 22:53.46 | Manoj_ | xauth extract - $DISPLAY | ssh tiamat /usr/bin/X11/xauth merge - |
| 22:53.46 | abrotman | Flimzy: depends on your knowledge .. there are many other options |
| 22:53.54 | Manoj_ | error403_, EWIN |
| 22:54.06 | dli | valdyn, it denies me after showing bad authentication data: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 |
| 22:54.17 | petemc | Flimzy: thats a silly question, whatever language you can use to achieve what you need is the best |
| 22:54.17 | sursar | tarzeau: thanks, I'll get back to ya |
| 22:54.22 | Hannibal | hrm. How would I install decss so I can watch dvd's? |
| 22:54.27 | abrotman | Flimzy: JSP/Python/Perl/C/Ruby/Pike .. just to name a few |
| 22:54.32 | abrotman | JSP is java |
| 22:54.36 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 22:54.36 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 22:54.39 | thingfish | !tell Hannibal about marillat |
| 22:54.41 | Flimzy | abrotman: I can pick up any language pretty quickly. I already know C/C++, Perl, PHP, bash, etc, etc... and did one site in Zope a couple years ago |
| 22:54.41 | thingfish | oops |
| 22:54.44 | thingfish | too slow |
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| 22:54.47 | dli | valdyn, it closes the mother xterm if I do "ssh -x" instead of "ssh -X", it's okay in gnome-term, I can login in "ssh -x" |
| 22:54.55 | valdyn | Hannibal: marillat has that and more |
| 22:54.59 | Flimzy | petemc: _ANY_ language can achieve what I want. |
| 22:55.08 | Flimzy | petemc: The question would be... which language(s) can do it best? |
| 22:55.15 | tarzeau | Flimzy: try Objective-C |
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| 22:55.18 | abrotman | Flimzy: we don't know the goal |
| 22:55.20 | libervisco | this dpkg bot is prety cool :) |
| 22:55.24 | thingfish | I wish marillat had some corn dogs. I have a craving for state fair corn dogs. |
| 22:55.26 | micka | env|grep LC return any reponse, it's normal ? |
| 22:55.28 | petemc | Flimzy: whatever |
| 22:55.30 | abrotman | Flimzy: i vote for .. crap .. what was that |
| 22:55.30 | Flimzy | abrotman: I'm not interested in perl/CGI because it's too low-level for what I'm hoping for. |
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| 22:56.01 | Flimzy | abrotman: I like the "level" of PHP... I don't like that it is _incapable_ (without lots of silly effort) of doing some lower-level thins. |
| 22:56.04 | Flimzy | s/thins/things/ |
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| 22:56.08 | alexcamilo | Hello |
| 22:56.10 | abrotman | Flimzy: Python ? |
| 22:56.17 | Flimzy | abrotman: I feel crippled in PHP, IOW. |
| 22:56.21 | abrotman | Flimzy: i don't :) |
| 22:56.23 | zero-1 | hello, im trying to instll debian 3.1 sarge on my powerbook g3 can somebody help me? |
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| 22:56.40 | Flimzy | abrotman: Python would work... are there good web-level APIs for Python? |
| 22:56.45 | thingfish | !tell zero-1 about ask |
| 22:56.48 | Flimzy | abrotman: akin to mod_perl? |
| 22:56.52 | tarzeau | zero-1: #debianppc |
| 22:57.13 | Manoj_ | dli, where did you get your X server from? Testing? |
| 22:57.14 | abrotman | Flimzy: i've only used python for shell stuff .. i really use PHP for almost all my webdev |
| 22:57.17 | tarzeau | Flimzy: have you heard of gnustepweb ? something like webobjects, some people love it much |
| 22:57.23 | dli | Manoj_, testing |
| 22:57.29 | abrotman | http://www.tabasoft.it/biferno/ |
| 22:57.33 | petemc | Flimzy: if you're so conversant with all these languages, surely you would know what libraries they have available |
| 22:57.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're such a pimp |
| 22:57.36 | dli | Manoj_, I just did "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 22:57.37 | Flimzy | tarzeau: No, what language(s) does it use? Or does it use its own? |
| 22:57.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: no i'm so not |
| 22:57.53 | tarzeau | Flimzy: objective-c, same age as c++, but done right |
| 22:57.53 | Flimzy | petemc: mod_perl isn't a library. |
| 22:57.54 | Hannibal | valdyn: too many connections :( |
| 22:57.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: you so are .. always pimping out gnustep :) |
| 22:58.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: much better :) |
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| 22:58.06 | Flimzy | tarzeau: Hrm... sounds kinda icky. |
| 22:58.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: so much better .. noone uses it :) |
| 22:58.15 | tarzeau | Flimzy: it's fantastic |
| 22:58.22 | petemc | Flimzy: right, thanks. what is it? |
| 22:58.27 | Flimzy | tarzeau: Let me rephrase... sounds icky for web development. |
| 22:58.28 | alexcamilo | I have a question about installing debian and windows XP on the same drive. i have 2 partitions. one of wich has XP installed. can i install debian on the other partition? or do i have to start from scratch |
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| 22:58.36 | dli | Manoj_, I think this is a debian issue, so I will just wait, Xorg runs smoothly in my gentoo installation for a year now |
| 22:58.36 | Hannibal | ah, nvm, needed to close the ftp thing I had open |
| 22:58.38 | abrotman | Flimzy: what can't you do in PHP that you need to replace it ? |
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| 22:58.44 | tarzeau | Flimzy: no it's great, there's some large projects using it for exactly that |
| 22:58.48 | thingfish | alexcamilo: you should be ready to go. |
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| 22:58.58 | Zetabyte | OT: anyone here code for embedded systems, specifically freescale chips? I'm hoping there's a version of codewarrior or some comparable IDE for linux but I'm not having any luck finding one =/ |
| 22:58.59 | Flimzy | tarzeau: I'm not writing a large project. |
| 22:59.02 | alexcamilo | so just put in the disks and select the 2nd partition? |
| 22:59.04 | Manoj_ | dli, I think something is wrong with the Xserver currentlyu in testing. |
| 22:59.21 | dli | Manoj_, okay, I will just wait |
| 22:59.23 | abrotman | where's gravity! |
| 22:59.29 | dli | Manoj_, thanks a lot already |
| 22:59.30 | micka | how set LC in debian emacs man return error encodind caractere with \ \ in text help me thanks |
| 22:59.31 | valdyn | Hannibal: hmm? |
| 22:59.31 | Flimzy | abrotman: Wow. It's been a year since I was actively writing in PHP... I should try to remember. |
| 22:59.33 | *** part/#debian snookmz (n=snook@www.snookmz.com) |
| 22:59.39 | Hannibal | valdyn: never mind :) |
| 22:59.42 | asuffield | that's gravity |
| 22:59.44 | thingfish | alexcamilo: when you get to that point in the installer, tell us. |
| 22:59.49 | abrotman | asuffield: i've seen that! |
| 22:59.57 | ircops | Completely Off-Topic: if anybody wants to see an ultra-high-res. photo of Hurricane Rita /msg dpkg hurricane rita |
| 22:59.57 | alexcamilo | ok |
| 22:59.57 | thingfish | alexcamilo: that is, the partitioning part. |
| 23:00.03 | Manoj_ | dli, for whatit is worth, it does appear to be fixed in Sid |
| 23:00.10 | abrotman | ircops: you put that in the bot? |
| 23:00.18 | ircops | abrotman: small factoid :) |
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| 23:00.29 | ircops | abrotman: I can forget it if you want |
| 23:00.36 | abrotman | ircops: /msg dpkg useless factoids |
| 23:00.39 | zero-1 | need help, im trying to install debian 3.1 sarge on my powerbook g3 |
| 23:00.48 | ircops | hehehe |
| 23:00.52 | ircops | sorry |
| 23:00.54 | tarzeau | zero-1: #debianppc |
| 23:00.56 | thingfish | zero-1: you were already advised to /join #debian-ppc |
| 23:00.57 | abrotman | it's ok .. we don't mind :) |
| 23:01.00 | ircops | :D |
| 23:01.03 | micka | where can find a optimmized package for debian ? |
| 23:01.13 | Flimzy | petemc: It's an Apache module |
| 23:01.13 | tarzeau | micka: optimized for what? |
| 23:01.14 | valdyn | zero-1: stop repeating yourself, if you asked a real question there would be a chance to get a useful answer |
| 23:01.19 | ircops | blootbot's slogan is the most bloated bot :) |
| 23:01.20 | micka | pentuim3 |
| 23:01.23 | tarzeau | micka: i can optimize debian packages to waste alot of disk space |
| 23:01.28 | Zetabyte | ircops - that's a pretty sweet pic |
| 23:01.29 | streuner | !i686 |
| 23:01.32 | streuner | !686 |
| 23:01.33 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 23:01.37 | petemc | Flimzy: can you help me out, explain the difference |
| 23:01.53 | Flimzy | petemc: Thanks, but I'll pass. |
| 23:01.55 | ircops | Zetabyte: damn right... |
| 23:01.57 | ircops | Zetabyte: heh |
| 23:01.59 | abrotman | haha |
| 23:02.00 | asuffield | I'm sure "useless factoids" is a redundant term |
| 23:02.05 | thingfish | man, what do I cook for supper tonight, I"m out of ideas. |
| 23:02.07 | abrotman | petemc: it's uhm .. stuffier |
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| 23:02.12 | streuner | asuffield: true... |
| 23:02.13 | asuffield | why did you people think they were called 'factoids' in the first place? |
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| 23:02.19 | suspro | hey iam having problem wid debian |
| 23:02.22 | Flimzy | petemc: If I thought explaining it would accomplish anything (such as leading you to providing me with a useful answer) I might take the time. But I'm not interested in propogating silly ego-fueled arguments. |
| 23:02.35 | ircops | Zetabyte: wikipedia had that link on it's "hurricane rita" page |
| 23:02.38 | tarzeau | suspro: and we have problems reading your mind |
| 23:02.40 | abrotman | wid? |
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| 23:02.47 | thingfish | ego? on #debian? surely you jest. |
| 23:02.50 | suspro | i tried to install after detecting the dvd next step says cannot read from dvd |
| 23:02.53 | tarzeau | thingfish: try google recipe and images? |
| 23:02.56 | suspro | could any one help me |
| 23:03.01 | tarzeau | !wid |
| 23:03.02 | dpkg | well, wid is "When It's Done", or see also "wir" and "rsn", or see pn |
| 23:03.04 | abrotman | thingfish: you're just wrong! |
| 23:03.10 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:03.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell suspro -about ask |
| 23:03.20 | petemc | Flimzy: i have nothing to prove, i do enjoy a good technical discussion tho.. |
| 23:03.21 | LightVision | is it possible to completely remove gnome from my Sarge? |
| 23:03.30 | suspro | i tried to install after detecting the dvd next step says cannot read from dvd |
| 23:03.32 | Snadder | I get this msg when trying to install openvpn: lzo.o(.text+0x1ec): In function `lzo_compress_init': |
| 23:03.33 | valdyn | !remove gnome |
| 23:03.33 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 23:03.41 | Snadder | /usr/src/openvpn-2.0.1/lzo.c:112: undefined reference to `__lzo_init_v2' |
| 23:03.44 | omry | added bind-address=127.0.0.1 to my.cnf , restarted mysql, and now when I do things like mysql -u root -p I get mysql: unknown variable 'bind-address=127.0.0.1', how do I make it happen? |
| 23:03.44 | LightVision | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 23:03.46 | micka | i have not found .deb for jmax or source list is out of date if compiling i have this error what is it checking if kaffe version is good... ./configure: line 9849: test: : integer expression expected |
| 23:03.48 | Snadder | I did the command: ./configure --with-lzo-headers=/usr/local/include --with-lzo-lib=/usr/local/lib |
| 23:03.56 | Snadder | before make |
| 23:04.00 | Flimzy | petemc: When I've got the time for a technical discussion for its own sake, I'll revisit the subject matter with you, then. |
| 23:04.02 | Snadder | and lzo is installed |
| 23:04.04 | suspro | how to solve the problem |
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| 23:04.12 | Snadder | anyone know whats wrong? |
| 23:04.13 | tarzeau | Snadder: why don't you use the debian lzo packages? |
| 23:04.21 | valdyn | suspro: you tried linux26 at the bootprompt? |
| 23:04.24 | dondelelcaro | Snadder: is there any reason why you aren't just installing Debian's openvpn package? |
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| 23:04.29 | Snadder | a good question.. |
| 23:04.31 | Snadder | ;) |
| 23:04.34 | petemc | Flimzy: in the mean time, you'll ask 600 random people what language is best for your next project, good plan |
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| 23:04.44 | abrotman | Flimzy: i vote for PHP |
| 23:04.44 | ircops | 'night y'all... be back in the morning (est) |
| 23:04.46 | micka | why is not good set LC in debian ? my emacs man page don't display caractere |
| 23:04.46 | Flimzy | abrotman: I'm looking at my old PHP project... seems one issue I was having was with session management. Getting it to work well was rather kludgy (but then that's a problem with most web applications anyway) |
| 23:04.48 | suspro | yes i tried linux linux26 aswell as expert26 |
| 23:04.52 | suspro | same problem |
| 23:04.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: you are a PHimP |
| 23:05.00 | Snadder | cause i'm installing it from source.. well.. to be honest.. its the wrong channel to ask in.. since i'm installing it on my slack box too |
| 23:05.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: Chimp ? |
| 23:05.07 | valdyn | !custom d-i |
| 23:05.07 | dpkg | somebody said custom d-i was http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 23:05.11 | Flimzy | petemc: Thanks for your approval :) |
| 23:05.14 | valdyn | suspro: ^^^ |
| 23:05.14 | suspro | after chekcing the dvd next step gives error |
| 23:05.26 | battlecat | I just got the Sarge release and was wondering with all the wonderful things on the release why does it have such a horrible installer? |
| 23:05.29 | suspro | hey valdy |
| 23:05.39 | abrotman | battlecat: we like the installer .. |
| 23:05.42 | tarzeau | battlecat: it's a great installer |
| 23:05.46 | thingfish | battlecat: looks aren't everything dear. |
| 23:05.47 | Azar | wow I am not alone with that opinion then :) |
| 23:05.50 | Zetabyte | battlecat: have you seen the woody installer? |
| 23:05.52 | battlecat | I dont mean looks |
| 23:05.56 | Snadder | dondelelcaro, tarzeau: but I get so quick response in here.. so I tought I should give it a shot |
| 23:05.57 | thingfish | battlecat: it works fine. |
| 23:05.59 | suspro | anyone knows why it happened |
| 23:06.01 | Flimzy | petemc: But for the record, 1) there are 700 people here, 2) they aren't random people; they are a demographic statistically more likely to have a reasonable answer than any random sampling. |
| 23:06.09 | abrotman | !beer petemc |
| 23:06.11 | Zetabyte | battlecat: for your needs, windows xp obviously suits you best. |
| 23:06.15 | Azar | woody does not have a so called installer, it just installs! |
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| 23:06.19 | valdyn | battlecat: i like it, and i get thru it 10 times faster than uh, anaconda |
| 23:06.26 | battlecat | Yes I agree it works fine but it doesnt exceed expectations like some distros |
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| 23:06.30 | Hannibal | hrm |
| 23:06.31 | thingfish | anyone who can't make it through debian-installer needs to complete a remedial existance+use of brain course. |
| 23:06.44 | tarzeau | battlecat: expectations? |
| 23:06.44 | Hannibal | I installed decss, and am trying to use xine to watch a dvd |
| 23:06.51 | jcurry | i am using debian sid with xorg, and i have an ati radeon 9200se. if i want dri support, do i compile the kernel module AGP_ATI...the description only mentions xfree86...what should i do? |
| 23:06.57 | suspro | omgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg |
| 23:06.58 | thingfish | battlecat wants pretty pics and flashy colors. |
| 23:07.02 | battlecat | no |
| 23:07.03 | kadigibox | wooooody |
| 23:07.06 | tarzeau | battlecat: i use it with pre-answered questions, for this it's so much better than what there was before |
| 23:07.12 | thingfish | boy really |
| 23:07.13 | suspro | valdyn u there |
| 23:07.17 | Zetabyte | battlecat: if you haven't used it more than 10 times on more than 4 different sets of hardware, you aren't qualified to even state whether or not it meets typical expectations for an installer. |
| 23:07.18 | Hannibal | however, it still fails saying it can't read the dvd |
| 23:07.20 | Azar | battlecat: install woody then upgrade to sarge is the most sane way to install |
| 23:07.20 | battlecat | I want an installer that detects the hardware like mandrake or fedora does. |
| 23:07.31 | abrotman | battlecat: what was the name of the ISO you burned? |
| 23:07.31 | valdyn | suspro: yes |
| 23:07.39 | battlecat | I managed to get it to work but it was not as streamlined as other distros. |
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| 23:07.46 | suspro | can u solve my problem |
| 23:08.03 | battlecat | I bought the Linux Magazine DVD version from the UK |
| 23:08.11 | Azar | I have installed woody over 50 times many of which I did it out of a perverse pleasure |
| 23:08.12 | Flimzy | abrotman: Perhaps I'll reconsider PHP |
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| 23:08.22 | NieIsen | anyone got a kernel 2.6.13 config for a laptop i can borrow? |
| 23:08.24 | suspro | i tried to install after detecting the dvd next step says cannot read from dvd |
| 23:08.33 | petemc | Flimzy: it wasnt my intention to get into an argument, i wish you luck, all i was saying is, if you have to ask... |
| 23:08.33 | madclicker | what is "killproc" ? |
| 23:08.34 | suspro | how come |
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| 23:09.01 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 23:09.10 | valdyn | Hannibal: i'd find things easier to debug if you used mplayer ( 'mplayer -dvd-device /dev/hdc dvd://' ) |
| 23:09.26 | Hannibal | okay. |
| 23:09.34 | suspro | omg no1 is there to help me |
| 23:09.40 | Flimzy | petemc: You realize that leads to a chicken-and-egg argument, right? |
| 23:10.22 | petemc | Flimzy: i didnt, im not sure i do now, but ok |
| 23:10.27 | Flimzy | petemc: NTM, that wasn't your argument at all; rather you asked WHY I had to ask, if I already had programming experience. |
| 23:10.51 | petemc | valdyn: isnt -dvd-device .. redundant if you specify dvd:// ? |
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| 23:11.06 | petemc | valdyn: ahh. not if you have more than one device |
| 23:11.50 | Hannibal | also, my cd station won't eject. How do I fix that? >.< |
| 23:11.55 | jcurry | i am using debian sid with xorg, and i have an ati radeon 9200se. if i want dri support, do i compile the kernel module AGP_ATI...the description only mentions xfree86...what should i do? |
| 23:12.02 | valdyn | Hannibal: using gnome? |
| 23:12.09 | Hannibal | if I try to unmount it in Konqueror, it tells me it's busy |
| 23:12.11 | Hannibal | valdyn: kde |
| 23:12.30 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: check which process is busying it (fuser) |
| 23:12.41 | krassy1809 | hi all |
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| 23:13.43 | Hannibal | CosmoDad: how do I use that? |
| 23:13.55 | Hannibal | I'm reading the man page, but it doesn't work without any arguments, and doesn't work with -m either |
| 23:14.06 | valdyn | Hannibal: fuser /dev/hdc |
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| 23:14.13 | valdyn | Hannibal: or whatever your dvd device is |
| 23:14.28 | Hannibal | it's hda, and fuser returns nothing that way |
| 23:14.53 | valdyn | Hannibal: dvd icon showing up on your desktop? |
| 23:14.59 | Nielsen | anyone got a kernel 2.6.13 config for a laptop i can borrow? |
| 23:15.07 | Hannibal | valdyn: no. |
| 23:15.07 | abrotman | !wayc |
| 23:15.14 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: fuser <process id> |
| 23:15.24 | Hannibal | and how would I know the process id? |
| 23:15.30 | Hannibal | that's what I'm trying to figure out, right? :s |
| 23:15.38 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: no sorry it's as valdyn said |
| 23:15.47 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: anyway ps aux helps you finding process ids |
| 23:16.13 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: but you use it like valdyn said |
| 23:16.25 | Hannibal | right, and it doesn't return anything that way :s |
| 23:16.44 | jcurry | i am using debian sid with xorg, and i have an ati radeon 9200se. if i want dri support, do i compile the kernel module AGP_ATI...the description only mentions xfree86...what should i do? |
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| 23:16.47 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: are you sure you picked the right device? |
| 23:16.52 | Hannibal | yes. |
| 23:16.58 | abrotman | jcurry: the radeon driver should work |
| 23:16.59 | Hannibal | KDE lists its name |
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| 23:17.08 | Hannibal | (when looking in devices:/ |
| 23:17.10 | Hannibal | ) |
| 23:17.16 | tarzeau | jcurry: stop repeat your question |
| 23:17.28 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: you say if you press the hardware eject button it won't work? |
| 23:17.35 | Hannibal | yes. |
| 23:17.36 | suspro | can anyone help me to instal debian sarge ? |
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| 23:17.48 | valdyn | Hannibal: running 'eject' does what? |
| 23:17.54 | tarzeau | suspro: where do you get stuck? |
| 23:18.13 | suspro | after checking the dvd i got stuck |
| 23:18.14 | Hannibal | eject /dev/hda failed! |
| 23:18.19 | jcurry | abrotman, yes, i have the radeon module, as well as the drm module, and also /dev/agpgart support...but do i need AGP_ATI? i remember somone said that it conflicts with dri's modules. do you know anything about this? |
| 23:18.22 | suspro | next screen says can not read cdrom |
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| 23:18.31 | suspro | or mite be busy ? |
| 23:18.31 | abrotman | jcurry: are you compiling your own kernel ? |
| 23:18.36 | Hannibal | (right-click device in konqueror, click Eject, that is) |
| 23:18.53 | suspro | tarzeau ? |
| 23:19.01 | Hannibal | in console, the following: |
| 23:19.01 | valdyn | Hannibal: ps aux | grep xine |
| 23:19.05 | tarzeau | suspro: just install it, what's the problem? |
| 23:19.05 | Hannibal | umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy |
| 23:19.09 | Hannibal | eject: unmount of `/dev/hda' failed |
| 23:19.14 | abrotman | so stop using it |
| 23:19.22 | tarzeau | Hannibal: you tried fuser -k /media/cdrom0 ? |
| 23:19.38 | Hannibal | gijs 474 0.0 0.0 2044 768 pts/1 R+ 01:20 0:00 grep xine |
| 23:19.40 | suspro | its says drive is busy ? how come |
| 23:19.47 | suspro | n comes back to previous screen |
| 23:19.52 | jcurry | tarzeau, sorry, it is just that i have asked it in fivve seperate channels, and no one has replied i truly apologize |
| 23:19.57 | Hannibal | tarzeau: no, what does that do? |
| 23:20.05 | valdyn | Hannibal: run it |
| 23:20.14 | tarzeau | Hannibal: man fuser |
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| 23:20.17 | Hannibal | fuser -k /media/cdrom0 |
| 23:20.18 | Hannibal | ack |
| 23:20.22 | EdgEy | is there a java plugin in apt? |
| 23:20.25 | Hannibal | No automatic removal. Please use umount /media/cdrom0 |
| 23:20.37 | tarzeau | EdgEy: apt-cache search java plugin |
| 23:20.42 | thingfish | !tell EdgEy about java |
| 23:20.46 | EdgEy | tried it |
| 23:20.51 | EdgEy | hmm ok thing |
| 23:20.55 | scx_ | Hey guys: I plan to donate a little to some Linux or OpenSource project, any suggestions ? |
| 23:21.14 | suspro | omg everyone is buys here |
| 23:21.14 | abrotman | SPI .. is one way |
| 23:21.14 | tarzeau | scx_: www.gnu.org |
| 23:21.20 | suspro | noone is replying me |
| 23:21.21 | CosmoDad | does xine actually needs discs mounted to use them? I know mplayer doesn't |
| 23:21.22 | bucky | scx_, freenode is still short of it's fundraising goal |
| 23:21.24 | nkuttler | scx_: spi |
| 23:21.25 | abrotman | suspro: ask a concise question |
| 23:21.28 | valdyn | CosmoDad: it does not |
| 23:21.34 | Gathond | scx_: the ones you use the most would kinda make sense |
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| 23:21.38 | suspro | i asked so many times |
| 23:21.40 | jcurry | abrotman, yes |
| 23:21.41 | abrotman | scx_: get the linuxfund card! |
| 23:21.44 | abrotman | jcurry: why? |
| 23:21.47 | scx_ | ...ok... |
| 23:21.48 | bucky | scx_, http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml |
| 23:21.54 | thingfish | EdgEy: do /msg dpkg install java, do what it says...it'll work. |
| 23:22.04 | bucky | support the #debian channel |
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| 23:22.06 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: can you eject now? |
| 23:22.09 | tarzeau | suspro: yeah, so stop it now. if you get no answers, try 8 or 16 hours later, or assume nobody knows or wants to help you |
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| 23:22.19 | Hannibal | CosmoDad: no :( |
| 23:22.19 | jcurry | abrotman, cause i like the latest and greatest, i am compiling 2.6.13.2...i am also running experimental xorg |
| 23:22.24 | thingfish | I wish I had money, I'd buy the Debian Project a whole bank of new servers. |
| 23:22.28 | abrotman | suspro: you did .. over like 100 lines :) |
| 23:22.31 | suspro | bye fuckers |
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| 23:22.40 | thingfish | how sweet... |
| 23:22.40 | abrotman | jcurry: then you should know what you're doing already |
| 23:22.42 | valdyn | Hannibal: fuser -k /media/cdrom0/* |
| 23:22.42 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: does this happen with all DVDs you try? |
| 23:22.47 | abrotman | thingfish: you're a fucker! |
| 23:22.48 | abrotman | :) |
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| 23:22.55 | jcurry | abrotman, i wish, that is why i have #debian :) |
| 23:22.57 | thingfish | abrotman: I sure am, darnit. |
| 23:22.57 | Hannibal | CosmoDad: this is the first dvd I tried |
| 23:23.21 | abrotman | jcurry: don't do anyhting tricky .. just ttry it .. and there is a *good* reason that debian doesn't ahve a 2.6 kernel yet |
| 23:23.24 | abrotman | err 2.6.13 |
| 23:23.32 | abrotman | now . if i could only find the email |
| 23:23.35 | krassy1809 | how i can install my compiled custom kernel ? |
| 23:23.42 | ilpavox | trying to install debian on a presario.. after i install the base from the cd, reboot crashes at usbcore... is there a kernel on the disk without usd, or something? any other ideas? |
| 23:23.45 | tarzeau | krassy1809: dpkg -i the.damn.deb |
| 23:23.49 | Hannibal | valdyn: doesn't return anything, but doesn't let me eject or unmount either |
| 23:23.57 | CosmoDad | krassy1809: dpkg -i |
| 23:23.59 | jcurry | krassy1809, you used make-kpkg, right? |
| 23:24.13 | jcurry | abrotman, ok, thanks, i'll try it then |
| 23:24.21 | abrotman | jcurry: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/09/msg00217.html |
| 23:24.27 | krassy1809 | i used make only |
| 23:24.30 | abrotman | jcurry: if you use devfs .. you're biffed |
| 23:24.33 | valdyn | Hannibal: now that's ugly, i'd reboot at some point =/ |
| 23:24.38 | Hannibal | root 29952 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 00:30 0:00 [hda_codec/0] |
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| 23:24.42 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: and try a different DVD |
| 23:24.47 | thingfish | gosh, I wish everybody here could have such a nice gin and tonic as I'm having. |
| 23:24.48 | Hannibal | is that bad? :s |
| 23:24.53 | Hannibal | (in ps aux output) |
| 23:24.59 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: or did you try using mplayer yet? |
| 23:25.04 | Hannibal | not yet. |
| 23:25.07 | w00t | can some one help me unshadow with john the ripper? |
| 23:25.12 | tarzeau | thingfish: i'd love one |
| 23:25.20 | Hannibal | and I'd try a different dvd if I could eject this one... |
| 23:25.20 | krassy1809 | how i can install my compiled with "make" custom kernel ? |
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| 23:25.30 | thingfish | tarzeau: it's made with beefeaters. |
| 23:25.32 | beardy | w00t: If you can't learn that, you shouldnät be using it. |
| 23:25.34 | tarzeau | thingfish: or wine, or tequila, beer, whatever |
| 23:25.37 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:25.46 | thingfish | ok, open bar, everyone! |
| 23:25.47 | tarzeau | krassy1809: make install |
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| 23:26.01 | CosmoDad | krassy1809: I suggest you try the debian way |
| 23:26.03 | beardy | thingfish: Give me a white russian. |
| 23:26.07 | w00t | i really need to learn how to unshadow :( |
| 23:26.16 | thingfish | coming right up, sir beardy. |
| 23:26.26 | honschu | How do I know what keycode the Windoze-key produces? Isn't there a X-Application? |
| 23:26.32 | tarzeau | honschu: xev |
| 23:26.34 | thingfish | that's vodka, half-and-half, and kahlua. |
| 23:26.35 | CosmoDad | krassy1809: especially if you don't know how to use self-made kernels, you could screw things up |
| 23:26.41 | honschu | aaah - yes - that's it! xev!!! THX! |
| 23:26.42 | krassy1809 | what is debian way |
| 23:26.45 | Hannibal | valdyn: now I tried mplayer... it comes up with: |
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| 23:26.48 | Hannibal | libdvdread: Invalid title IFO (VTS_01_0.IFO). |
| 23:26.50 | Hannibal | Cannot open the IFO file for DVD title 1. |
| 23:26.56 | beardy | thingfish: Don't forget the milk. |
| 23:27.06 | thingfish | krassy1809: the Debian way means you either have a nice cocktail first, or smoke a big fat hooter. |
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| 23:27.14 | CosmoDad | krassy1809: this is: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 23:27.38 | thingfish | beardy: yes, ok, but it has to be whole milk. you need a little cream in those things. |
| 23:27.44 | valdyn | Hannibal: cat /proc/ide/hda/model |
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| 23:28.05 | Hannibal | ASUS DRW-1608P |
| 23:28.10 | honschu | tarzeau: Gtk-Problem - It's now Bug#329462 |
| 23:28.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've found out that eurobsdcon costs about $250 for 3 days |
| 23:28.15 | Hannibal | it's an ASUS dual layer DVD burner. |
| 23:28.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's not bad |
| 23:28.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: but it s bsd |
| 23:28.28 | valdyn | Hannibal: looks good, but your dvd doesnt seem to be ok |
| 23:28.29 | w00t | how do i use unshadow with john? |
| 23:28.30 | Hannibal | I also have a ' normal' DVD player, but this is the top one :P |
| 23:28.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: for that money i could get tons of LSD |
| 23:28.32 | cwegga | what is the name of the debian network config tool? |
| 23:28.38 | beardy | thingfish: Yeah, but only cream on friday, not in the middle of the week, how would that look ;) |
| 23:28.41 | jcurry | abrotman, i don't use an initrd, not do i use dvfs |
| 23:28.41 | thingfish | hehe tarzeau |
| 23:28.42 | Hannibal | valdyn: I last played it two weeks ago, under windows |
| 23:28.45 | Hannibal | it was fine then :( |
| 23:28.52 | abrotman | jcurry: are you sure? |
| 23:29.07 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: try a different DVD first.. |
| 23:29.10 | Hannibal | valdyn: I can also see the contents in konqueror |
| 23:29.26 | valdyn | Hannibal: you DO have permissions to access that device do you? |
| 23:29.28 | abrotman | jcurry: what do you use instead of devfs ? |
| 23:29.44 | valdyn | Hannibal: try running same mplayer command with sudo or sux |
| 23:29.54 | jcurry | abrotman, i think i am sure, i grepped my config, and devfs is not there at all...i have udev installed |
| 23:30.02 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: maybe it's not your DVD that's failing but your DVD player.. |
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| 23:30.09 | jcurry | abrotman, where excatly in the config tree is devfs? |
| 23:30.17 | abrotman | in 2.6 it's been removed |
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| 23:30.24 | abrotman | err 2.6.13 |
| 23:30.39 | abrotman | god .. i should really stop helping .. i'm not hitting keys in the correct order :) |
| 23:30.50 | SuperSox | does anyone know if there is a modified version of Links2 kicking about that supports tabs? |
| 23:30.51 | Hannibal | valdyn: same response for that |
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| 23:31.06 | Hiryu | does anyone know how to get mailman running with exim? |
| 23:31.22 | valdyn | Hannibal: alright somethings broken, could be that the dvd is somehow 'stuck' inside or whatever |
| 23:31.48 | Hannibal | valdyn: the only thing I can think of is that I symlinked /dev/dvd to it earlier |
| 23:31.50 | Hannibal | however I used |
| 23:31.54 | Hannibal | rm /dev/dvd |
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| 23:31.58 | jcurry | abrotman, zcat /proc/config.gz | grep DEVFS can't find it either, and i am currently running 2.6.12.5 |
| 23:31.58 | Hannibal | to get rid of that... |
| 23:32.07 | Hannibal | or is that a newb's mistake and the cause of all this evil? |
| 23:32.08 | beardy | Ah, exactly what I needed, thankyou thingfish. |
| 23:32.10 | valdyn | Hannibal: that is np |
| 23:32.10 | LaidBack_01 | okay, what's the latest? potatoe or slink? |
| 23:32.15 | LaidBack_01 | potato... |
| 23:32.17 | Hannibal | okay. |
| 23:32.33 | beardy | LaidBack_01: Latest what? |
| 23:32.37 | jcurry | LaidBack_01, latest stables is 'sarge' |
| 23:32.42 | jcurry | stable* |
| 23:33.00 | jcurry | LaidBack_01, latest unstables is called sid, and always will be |
| 23:33.07 | abrotman | jcurry: oh well .. then ignore it .. just continue compiling .. ask #ati or #kernel about your video card/DRI stuff |
| 23:33.09 | thingfish | beardy: now get yourself a real one, and you'll be doing even better. |
| 23:33.23 | jcurry | abrotman, ok, thanks a lot! |
| 23:33.57 | LaidBack_01 | okay thanks |
| 23:33.58 | madclicker | i have an init script that creates a process number in $pidfile but the actual process number in "ps ax" is running $pid-file+3. Therefor when i stop the process, it errors out with no such process. Help |
| 23:34.05 | beardy | thingfish: My barcupboard/shelf is non-existent.. Have to build one up. |
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| 23:34.52 | thingfish | beardy: I'd be glad to advise you on what to stock, if you have need. |
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| 23:35.28 | beardy | thingfish: Please do, a little list that I can have as reference would be nice. |
| 23:35.39 | whitehorse1 | I used to work in a bar. Footwear always got splashed with beer from the pumps though. |
| 23:35.41 | thingfish | we specialized in quality ingredients...all our margaritas were made with real, fresh-squeezed lime juice. |
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| 23:37.00 | stew | as far as i'm concerned that's the only way to do it |
| 23:37.12 | thingfish | beardy: you need a bottle each of gin, vodka, bourbon, tequila, scotch, and rum. for mixers, you need sweet&sour, tonic, soda water, coke, and 7-Up. |
| 23:37.12 | stew | anything else is a bad tequila sour or somethingn |
| 23:37.20 | whitehorse1 | I remember I used to use that website, webtender.com, for inspiration. Still up I think. Halcyon days. |
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| 23:38.01 | Hannibal | valdyn / CosmoDad: I'll reboot and try again tomorrow |
| 23:38.03 | thingfish | I mean, really, to set up a proper bar, one needs a lot of things. |
| 23:38.08 | Hannibal | it's getting late, I need to get sleep :) |
| 23:38.08 | CosmoDad | Hannibal: good luck |
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| 23:38.37 | thingfish | and of course you need wine for the women (and some modern-type guys) + decent beer. |
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| 23:38.56 | whitehorse1 | And flair |
| 23:38.59 | thingfish | you need cherries and limes and lemons, too, plus an orange or two. |
| 23:39.00 | abrotman | thingfish: dont' forget the cognac! |
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| 23:39.33 | thingfish | tsk, abrotman, unfortunately for those of you with exquisite taste, that's not part of the normal well makeup. |
| 23:39.33 | stew | sometimes i forget the cognac |
| 23:39.40 | stew | but only becuase i get started on it so late |
| 23:39.40 | SteveLab | don't forget shrimp for my bloody marrys O+ |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | thingfish: ok .. beer it is! |
| 23:39.46 | abrotman | stew: how was the game ? |
| 23:39.53 | stew | it was tons of fun |
| 23:39.57 | abrotman | and they won! |
| 23:39.59 | abrotman | too bad ... |
| 23:40.06 | stew | abrotman: sitting out the bleachers was a totally different experience |
| 23:40.07 | thingfish | besides, one enjoys cognac at home, with a loved one. |
| 23:40.20 | thingfish | or after a lovely dinner, of course. |
| 23:40.34 | abrotman | stew: smelly noisy people? .. did your wife enjoy? |
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| 23:40.53 | stew | abrotman: we were surrounded by about 50 people that see eachother several times every week and all knew eachother by name |
| 23:40.54 | whitehorse1 | :O |
| 23:40.57 | gozz | a |
| 23:41.02 | abrotman | stew: hehe .. sounds fun ... |
| 23:41.41 | stew | abrotman: extreme die hard fans. but it was great to be sitting with them becuase they were extremely observant and well informed. and they had some /interesting/ cheers. my wife was very happy |
| 23:42.00 | abrotman | stew: you got a bonus game when you got home! |
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| 23:42.06 | thingfish | wow, lilo's message make me wonder if all of freenode isn't about to get blown away by Rita. |
| 23:42.13 | stew | abrotman: and i'm very glad i made a last minute descision to grab the nyy hats we had |
| 23:42.26 | abrotman | stew: you traitors! |
| 23:42.31 | stew | abrotman: oh believe me we were getting non-stop updates on that game from people listening to AM |
| 23:42.38 | stew | abrotman: it was a survivalist thing |
| 23:42.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:42.54 | abrotman | thingfish: it's a distributed irc network |
| 23:42.57 | whitehorse1 | Well, Rita's quite the hussy! [couldn't resist; despite risk of bad taste -me I mean..not Rita] |
| 23:43.16 | beardy | Thanks guys. I'll start building up a small stock. |
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| 23:43.26 | thingfish | abrotman: phew. |
| 23:43.31 | apocalyptica | Hi |
| 23:43.38 | stew | rita just upgraded to cat5 |
| 23:43.43 | stew | she should consider wireless |
| 23:43.46 | thingfish | I know, it's awful. |
| 23:44.00 | stew | ba dum dum |
| 23:44.02 | abrotman | that thing is still .. what .. 24 hours from landfall >? |
| 23:44.05 | CosmoDad | did katrina reach cat5 too or just 4? |
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| 23:44.12 | thingfish | I'm beginning to be glad I live in mere tornado country. |
| 23:44.20 | thingfish | no, it's cat5 now. |
| 23:44.23 | whitehorse1 | Katrina's one higher than Rita still afaik? |
| 23:44.25 | apocalyptica | I'm trying to install debian/desktop. After it completes though, I just get a gui-less terminal. What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:44.26 | abrotman | CosmoDad: was 5 .. went to 4 before hitting land |
| 23:44.32 | CosmoDad | abrotman: ok |
| 23:44.37 | stew | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT3+shtml/212053.shtml |
| 23:44.41 | stew | ^^^ cat5 |
| 23:44.42 | tarzeau | apocalyptica: nothing, that's all perfect |
| 23:44.48 | CosmoDad | apocalyptica: you did not install a GUI |
| 23:44.52 | tarzeau | apocalyptica: you want to apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 23:45.02 | abrotman | that thing is gonna be ginormous before it hits land |
| 23:45.02 | tarzeau | CosmoDad: funny name for X |
| 23:45.09 | whitehorse1 | apoc: er has the install finished? mm hmm what he said^ |
| 23:45.23 | apocalyptica | I have disk 1 and disk 2, I scanned both... it said it was installing 80 something packages |
| 23:45.25 | CosmoDad | tarzeau: I wanted to stick to his terminology :) |
| 23:45.26 | apocalyptica | is that normal? |
| 23:45.34 | apocalyptica | I don't think it asked for disk 2 to install any packages |
| 23:45.39 | beardy | apocalyptica: debian/desktop, do you mean the task called desktop? |
| 23:45.42 | whitehorse1 | apoc: well mine installed 19000 but ok ;) |
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| 23:46.06 | apocalyptica | no, I mean a home-desktop configuration |
| 23:46.10 | apocalyptica | hrm. |
| 23:46.14 | whitehorse1 | apoc: what're you installing from? cd, netinst cd, etc |
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| 23:46.33 | apocalyptica | cd, because I cannot get it to retrive my dhcp info for some odd reason |
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| 23:46.51 | beardy | apocalyptica: apt-get install x-window-system-core, as said then, and then a window manager / desktop system of your choice. |
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| 23:47.33 | apocalyptica | but by scanning both cds shouldn't it have picked up and installed those? |
| 23:47.39 | apocalyptica | xwindows and gnome |
| 23:47.43 | apocalyptica | O_o |
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| 23:48.05 | CaT[tm] | how do I get the full names and versions of packages installed on my system? |
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| 23:48.09 | beardy | apocalyptica: When you scan the cd:s, you read the packagelists on them, you have to choose what you want to install yourself. |
| 23:48.25 | whitehorse1 | apoc: ok well there're 13/14 CD-ROMs if you were going to be in a position to install everything (which obviously you wouldn't). Even if you ordered from a developer that burns CDs for a small fee as I purchased, you're still looking at 7CDs or 1DVD. I should think it needs to connect online if its to get the rest of the stuff for a desktop |
| 23:48.30 | thingfish | apocalyptica: of course you could always do base-config and choose Desktop Environment. |
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| 23:48.33 | valdyn | CaT[tm]: dpkg -l | grep ^i |
| 23:48.46 | CaT[tm] | val: in that list the name and version may be abridged. |
| 23:48.48 | apocalyptica | I chose Desktop env when it asked |
| 23:49.00 | thingfish | well then you're getting both gnome and kde. |
| 23:49.04 | thingfish | + X |
| 23:49.07 | valdyn | CaT[tm]: nope |
| 23:49.09 | whitehorse1 | Do you have net access yet? |
| 23:49.17 | whitehorse1 | (Internet) |
| 23:49.19 | CaT[tm] | val: yes: ii ntp 4.2.0a+stable- Network Time Protocol: network utilities |
| 23:49.29 | beardy | apocalyptica: If you only have two cd:s, it's very possible that those two doesnät contain some of the things that's included in the Desktop task. |
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| 23:49.30 | CaT[tm] | val: 4.2.0a+stable- is not the full version of ntp |
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| 23:49.41 | valdyn | CaT[tm]: you didnt pipe it thru grep? |
| 23:49.50 | CaT[tm] | val: yes I did. |
| 23:49.51 | apocalyptica | hrm |
| 23:49.56 | beardy | apocalyptica: Do you have a better than dialup internet connection? |
| 23:50.04 | apocalyptica | I have net access |
| 23:50.07 | thingfish | I used the CDs to install, I chose Desktop Environment, File Server, and Print Server, and I only needed the first 2 CDs. |
| 23:50.09 | valdyn | CaT[tm]: ok, guess that changed at some point then between your dpkg and mine. |
| 23:50.12 | apocalyptica | dsl 256/128 |
| 23:50.18 | apocalyptica | but it will not retrive dhcp info |
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| 23:50.29 | CaT[tm] | val: always been the case afaik. |
| 23:50.29 | whitehorse1 | thingfish Are you sure it wasn't a dream? ;) |
| 23:50.33 | beardy | apocalyptica: The easiest thing probably is to get it working and install more things when it's working. |
| 23:50.34 | thingfish | CaT[tm]: you will see in time. |
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| 23:50.39 | valdyn | CaT[tm]: programs can chose their output depending on where it goes -p, anyway: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l.... |
| 23:50.42 | thingfish | whitehorse1: yes, most certain. |
| 23:50.45 | CaT[tm] | thing: they've fixed it? |
| 23:51.04 | thingfish | although it could've been a psychotic hallucination, though, I suppose. |
| 23:51.06 | SuperSox | whitehorse1: my current install of debian came off three floppies ;) |
| 23:51.07 | valdyn | CaT[tm]: above works for me, with COLUMNS=200 it will work for you too |
| 23:51.23 | CaT[tm] | val: yeah. I guess future version of dpkg take terminal width into account? |
| 23:51.27 | whitehorse1 | Supersox: :O! platform? |
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| 23:51.46 | SuperSox | whitehorse1: an x86 laptop :) |
| 23:51.59 | SuperSox | whitehorse1: I did of course connect it to the internet and download a fair wack however ;) |
| 23:52.02 | valdyn | CaT[tm]: that isnt what it does for me nor what you want it to do |
| 23:52.03 | apocalyptica | ok, so what steps do I take for apt to read the second cd and install all of the packages? |
| 23:52.15 | apocalyptica | or should I just start over? |
| 23:52.21 | whitehorse1 | Ooh you had me thinking you were uber-hardline for a while :) |
| 23:52.50 | beardy | apocalyptica: It doesn't work like that. You always decide what packages to install, you never install everything at once. |
| 23:52.56 | SuperSox | whitehorse1: trust me, after the nightmarish install, i certainly feel it! |
| 23:53.16 | whitehorse1 | apoc: what distribution version is it? || Supersox: been there... 8) |
| 23:53.28 | apocalyptica | 3.1roa? |
| 23:53.28 | SuperSox | whitehorse1: not debian's fault however, just strange and antiquated hardware |
| 23:53.36 | valdyn | CaT[tm]: see #flood for an example of dpkg -l | grep ^i w/ sids dpkg |
| 23:53.38 | beardy | apocalyptica: What network card do you have? Any other information that could help us help you get your dhcp working? |
| 23:53.47 | SuperSox | it seems to run icewm quite nicely though :) |
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| 23:53.52 | apocalyptica | nforce2 |
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| 23:54.36 | CaT[tm] | valdyn: so no pretty-formatting? |
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| 23:55.17 | beardy | apocalyptica: Which kernel are you running? |
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| 23:55.35 | apocalyptica | 2.6 |
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| 23:57.50 | apocalyptica | 2.6.8 |
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| 23:58.54 | beardy | apocalyptica: Is the module for your nic loaded? |
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| 23:59.38 | ecliptik | are there any sarge apt sources for mythtv? |
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| 23:59.49 | valdyn | !mythtv |
| 23:59.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org, Sid/Sarge and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ ...apt-get install mythtv-suite. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
