| 00:00.08 | apocalyptica | well when it asks to retrive the dhcp info it lists nforce2 nic so I assume it picks it up |
| 00:00.39 | gozz | how can i logout of x? |
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| 00:00.59 | pipeline | gozz: ctrl alt backspace |
| 00:01.02 | ecliptik | coo, thank you |
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| 00:01.18 | CrocoJet | hello everyone |
| 00:01.26 | beardy | gozz: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart the display manager. Or click your way to a "logout" thing. |
| 00:01.38 | gozz | then just type startx to get back right? |
| 00:01.39 | CrocoJet | i have pure-ftp running .. how can i see users logged? |
| 00:02.00 | petemc | CrocoJet: watch the logs |
| 00:02.10 | beardy | gozz: If you are not using xdm, gdm, kdm, ?dm. Yes. |
| 00:02.12 | CrocoJet | only via logs ? |
| 00:02.39 | CrocoJet | users loged and active now |
| 00:03.00 | CosmoDad | is there a freeware application to do make little notes/drawings in PS or PDF files? |
| 00:03.02 | gozz | i need to get to console mode only to install display drivers |
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| 00:03.34 | whitehorse1 | gozz ctrl-alt-f1 'll do |
| 00:03.36 | litage | when trying to remove a directory, if the error "cannot remove directory `/vserver/DNS-slave2': Device or resource busy" occurs and lsof doesn't mention it, what should be done? |
| 00:03.37 | CrocoJet | what is command to see users active (shell) ? |
| 00:03.54 | gozz | gdm=gnome desktop manager? |
| 00:03.55 | sgeigerbot | Is there a way to make the grub splashscreen stay in the background while all the dmesg information scrolls over top of it? I've seen something like this, but I'm not sure how it is accomplished. |
| 00:04.00 | whitehorse1 | gozz: yep |
| 00:04.10 | gozz | how do i start that |
| 00:04.20 | whitehorse1 | gozz; you type gdm |
| 00:04.23 | whitehorse1 | literally. |
| 00:04.24 | beardy | CosmoDad: I doubt it. You probably mean a free software one, or maybe an open source one, most likely yes. |
| 00:04.28 | gozz | bet thank |
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| 00:04.48 | whitehorse1 | ...if it's installed... |
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| 00:05.25 | Azar | woody installation a great success over sarge installer |
| 00:05.27 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.35 | apocalyptica | if my dsl modem was a bridge, would that make any difference? |
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| 00:05.53 | CosmoDad | beardy: that's what I meant. Is there any reason for your doubts? |
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| 00:06.12 | Laissez | is there some repository for MySQL 4.1 for debian stable ? |
| 00:06.23 | CosmoDad | beardy: I know that acrobat (non-reader) for windows can do it, why n linux app? |
| 00:06.42 | gozz | ctrl alt backspace only goes to the gdm |
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| 00:06.54 | gozz | i need text only mode |
| 00:06.55 | beardy | CosmoDad: No. I just can't come up with any name right now. Iäm not sure what you mean exactly, openoffice.org can export to pdf. |
| 00:07.09 | Azar | so to pinpoint the bug: sarge installer reports a dhcp connection successfull while a connection is not setup, woody reports a dhcp connection successful that it actually works. |
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| 00:07.26 | whitehorse1 | gozz: ctrl alt f1-7 usually f1'll be 'text' 7+gui. generally |
| 00:07.45 | gozz | k |
| 00:07.49 | CosmoDad | beardy: well I have this webpage I'm going to print into postscript. Next, I'd like to add a little arrow with a small note above it to make it easier for the reader to understand |
| 00:07.50 | beardy | gozz: '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' (or start, restart) If you only want to gewt to the console, Ctrl-Alt-F1 - F6, Ctrl-Alt-F7 to get back to X. |
| 00:08.04 | CosmoDad | beardy: I could do that prior to or post transformation to PDF |
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| 00:08.59 | gan|y|med | hallo, i have compiled the mfgrlx odule for x.org and it always uses dri indirect rendering (=2d). any clue how to change that? |
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| 00:10.29 | beardy | CosmoDad: Save a copy of the webpage, and add the arrow in html, then print it? |
| 00:10.39 | CosmoDad | beardy: yuck... |
| 00:10.45 | beardy | CosmoDad: Why? |
| 00:10.58 | CosmoDad | beardy: add an arrow in html? that's not what I call comfortable.. |
| 00:11.36 | CosmoDad | beardy: I know it's possible, but quite some work.. |
| 00:12.05 | beardy | CosmoDad: Have you tried google? Something like "edit postscript linux", or "edit pdf linux" Then check if it's packaged in debian. |
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| 00:13.17 | CosmoDad | beardy: I've checked the later, being not successful so far |
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| 00:14.20 | beardy | CosmoDad: Check if The GIMP can load postscript (Í think it can) |
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| 00:15.05 | ecliptik | ummmm, that mythtv info seems a bit out of date, there's no more woody .debs and the url is incorrect |
| 00:15.18 | PumpkinPie | i cant believe ive wasted like an hour looking at Paris Hilton photos |
| 00:15.21 | gan|y|med | does anybody know, how the dri mesa drivers interact with the xserver, that is, how they are linked and if they could possibly influence third party drivers? |
| 00:15.21 | CosmoDad | beardy: gimp hm? I'll try that... |
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| 00:15.26 | whitehorse1 | That's not a waste |
| 00:15.34 | PumpkinPie | and I have nothing afterwards |
| 00:15.50 | whitehorse1 | except used tissues |
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| 00:16.26 | PumpkinPie | time to play counter strike and at least be semi productive |
| 00:16.52 | petemc | counter strike is productive? |
| 00:17.01 | PumpkinPie | yeah |
| 00:17.07 | petemc | no |
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| 00:17.34 | Guerin | depends what he's producing |
| 00:17.35 | Azar | Debconf question: after upgrading to Sarge can I use Debconf at any time to tweak some settings? |
| 00:18.00 | Guerin | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 00:18.04 | petemc | if i had to bet on PumpkinPie being a professional games player.. |
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| 00:18.29 | PumpkinPie | I didn't read anything |
| 00:18.36 | Guerin | petemc: yeah. All pro gamers would have seen all the paris hilton photos months ago |
| 00:18.36 | petemc | thats the spirit |
| 00:18.38 | Azar | Guerin, thanks I just remember I forgot to instruct my friend who is upgrading right now to chose DIALOG and "medium" at debconf prompts |
| 00:18.53 | beardy | CosmoDad: The GIMP can load postscript and PDF, and export to postscript. |
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| 00:19.06 | whitehorse1 | poor paris :( |
| 00:19.16 | petemc | whitehorse1: she aint poor |
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| 00:19.38 | Guerin | whitehorse1: i rather think it's anyone who has anything to do with her who's unfortunate |
| 00:19.43 | CosmoDad | beardy: yeah just found out too. Good hint, thanks for it man |
| 00:19.52 | petemc | id knock the dust off that shit |
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| 00:19.57 | beardy | CosmoDad: And there is a ps2pdf in some package IIRC. |
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| 00:21.03 | CosmoDad | beardy: yeah I got that, pstopdf is very good |
| 00:21.18 | bucky | anyone in Waco.. freenode is moving inland |
| 00:21.27 | whitehorse1 | petemc: born into wealth true, not sure if that justifies an ex distributing movies of her or her phone_etc records being hacked twice though |
| 00:21.27 | sgeigerbot | beardy: gs-common: /usr/bin/ps2pdf |
| 00:21.41 | petemc | whitehorse1: she made momey off the second movie |
| 00:21.45 | sursar | tarzeau: did 'iptables -F' to no avail - I did notice that with the 2.4.26 kernel I have a couple of extra entires in 'ifconfig -a' namely gre0 and tunl0 -- not sure what those are while I don't have them with the 2.4.27-2 kernel, ideas ? |
| 00:22.03 | beardy | sgeigerbot: Yeah, just found out by dpkg myself. |
| 00:22.13 | Guerin | whitehorse1: ah, give over. The only reason you're sorry for her is because she's famous. Shit like this happens to unfamous people all the time, it's just that nobody gives a fuck. |
| 00:22.19 | sgeigerbot | beardy: next time try http://packages.debian.org |
| 00:22.21 | sursar | tarzeau: I continue to be unable to ping either internally or externally - ie. totally dead in the water |
| 00:22.39 | beardy | sgeigerbot: I know, didn't want to leave irssi.. :) |
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| 00:23.14 | sgeigerbot | beardy: You are probably looking for a job that doesn't require you to get out of bed... |
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| 00:24.15 | whitehorse1 | yup arent we all |
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| 00:24.31 | sgeigerbot | speaking of jobs: gs-common: /usr/bin/ps2pdf |
| 00:24.39 | sgeigerbot | jobs: gs-common: /usr/bin/ps2pdf |
| 00:24.50 | sgeigerbot | there: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39680 |
| 00:25.05 | sursar | anyone know what 'gre0 tunl0' in "ifconfig -a" pertain to (some tunneling of some sort), but why doesn't it start with a 2.4.27-2 kernel and how do I debug this (what application, etc) ? |
| 00:25.28 | beardy | sgeigerbot: With good reason it seems :) |
| 00:25.30 | sgeigerbot | sursar: those are interfaces. |
| 00:25.33 | petemc | sursar: gre is for pptp connections |
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| 00:26.02 | sgeigerbot | petemc: ummm....I don't think so. Generic Routing Encapsulation. |
| 00:26.09 | petemc | .. |
| 00:26.12 | sursar | petemc: not sure I know what pptp is, but how are they started (again they start with 2.4.26 but not 2.4.27-2) |
| 00:26.14 | sgeigerbot | petemc: It's more generic than that. |
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| 00:26.39 | petemc | sgeigerbot: commonly, what else is it used for? |
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| 00:26.46 | Supaplex | any reason XFree86 -scanpci prints nothing? |
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| 00:27.14 | sgeigerbot | petemc: Generic Routing Encapsulation - (GRE) A protocol which allows an arbitrary network protocol A to be transmitted over any other arbitrary network protocol B, by encapsulating the packets of A within GRE packets, which in turn are contained within packets of B. |
| 00:27.22 | sursar | in short I have a "proxy" debian with 2 NICs on it which I'm trying to upgrade the kernel on and can't seem to get any network traffic from/to it |
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| 00:27.39 | Rahu- | where can i configure xserver to use resoultions higher than 800x600? I know my monitor can go higher, but it wont show up in the list :/ |
| 00:27.47 | sgeigerbot | petemc: I've tunneled IP over GRE. This is a very handy thing if you want to hack a router and sniff it remotely. |
| 00:27.58 | beardy | !drxx Rahu- |
| 00:28.01 | dpkg | Rahu-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:28.12 | whitehorse1 | Rahu reconfigure it and inform it of your res's as dpkg le bot said |
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| 00:28.14 | Manoj_ | Rahu-, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, or the like |
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| 00:28.28 | petemc | sgeigerbot: how and why did you tunnel ip over gre? |
| 00:28.31 | sgeigerbot | petemc: http://www.lartc.org/lartc.html |
| 00:28.55 | Manoj_ | Rahu-, it shall edit your /etc/X11/XFconfig-4 |
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| 00:29.29 | sgeigerbot | petemc: The main advantage of using GRE to tunnel IP instead of IPIP are that it supports multicast packets and that it will also interoperate with Cisco routers. |
| 00:29.33 | sursar | can someone point me to what might be initializing/starting these interfaces so I know where to go and debug ? |
| 00:29.52 | sgeigerbot | petemc: this is covered in the book Linux Server Hacks (p 98). |
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| 00:30.13 | sursar | sgeigerbot: have any idea why it is not starting with a 2.4.27-2 kernel ? where should I look ? |
| 00:30.15 | petemc | sgeigerbot: you're ignoring all my questions, and noe of what you say means anything in any real terms |
| 00:30.17 | sgeigerbot | petemc: usese the ip_gre module |
| 00:30.21 | petemc | none |
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| 00:30.39 | CosmoDad | beardy: this is still sort of cumbersome since only the first page of a postscript'ed website will be editable... |
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| 00:30.56 | CosmoDad | beardy: I'll have to save and edit each webpage individually |
| 00:31.52 | sgeigerbot | petemc: http://www.geocities.com/david_taylor_au/ <- an exampel |
| 00:31.57 | beardy | CosmoDad: Yeah.. are you sure you can't switch pages in the gimp, or choose which page to load, or something? |
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| 00:32.16 | petemc | sgeigerbot: an example of what? |
| 00:32.18 | sursar | sgeigerbot: I don't see 'ip_gre' listed when I do "lsmod" - should I load it by hand to get those interfaces ? |
| 00:32.21 | CosmoDad | beardy: I don't think so.. |
| 00:32.28 | sgeigerbot | petemc: something I commonly use this for. ;-) |
| 00:32.33 | petemc | sursar: is this your machine? |
| 00:32.51 | sursar | petemc: yeah, I'm root on it |
| 00:33.08 | petemc | sgeigerbot: why cant you discuss it rather than post urls? |
| 00:33.49 | petemc | sursar: being root wasnt the question, these interfaces done set themselves up |
| 00:33.52 | petemc | dont |
| 00:34.18 | Azar | Guerin how would I go to get the right module of my ethernet card with dpkg-reconfigure ....? |
| 00:34.37 | Guerin | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure has nothing to do with module loading. |
| 00:34.46 | Azar | guerin, thanks :) |
| 00:34.51 | petemc | Azar: discover should identify the right module for your nic |
| 00:34.52 | sursar | petemc: the interfaces and machine functions great under 2.4.26 - with no changes I simply boot-up into 2.4.27-2 and now the I can't ping anything and I'm isolated |
| 00:35.08 | CosmoDad | beardy: gimp is too complicated for me... I can't even see how to draw a simple arrow.. |
| 00:35.15 | whitehorse1 | ugh this is annoying me I wanna fix this before I retire but 10mins of attempts hasn't helped. kde 3.x redmond theme~style applied. can't get vertical scrollbar to come back on a window like an xterminal. :'( anyone got any idea where the option'd be - seem to've tried them all. |
| 00:35.21 | gozz | how do i get the kernel update one liner? |
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| 00:35.26 | Azar | petemc, I remember that when I upgraded to sarge my ethernet card was "dissapeared" I do not remember by which means I got it back.. |
| 00:35.32 | petemc | sursar: then it would appea your machine works optimally with 2.4.26 |
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| 00:35.48 | Guerin | gozz: apt-get install kernel-image-you-want |
| 00:35.49 | sursar | petemc: the only difference I was able to see is the lack of gre0 and tunl0 as interfaces - and I am still not sure if that is the cause of my problem |
| 00:35.51 | sgeigerbot | petemc: what's there to discuss? Can't you read? |
| 00:36.19 | petemc | sgeigerbot: ive no interest in reading the results of your google searches, no |
| 00:36.21 | sursar | petemc: noted - what do I need to do to get it function under 2.4.27-2 though ? |
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| 00:36.44 | petemc | sursar: do you have the .config that was used for 2.4.26? |
| 00:36.47 | gozz | got it thanks |
| 00:36.53 | gungnir | could someone advise the line required in the file /etc/apt/sources.list in order to obtain security updates? |
| 00:36.58 | Azar | petemc, there is a bug with sarge: either a fresh installation or an upgrade from woody will somehow ignore the ethernet driver |
| 00:37.25 | beardy | CosmoDad: Check out flpsed |
| 00:37.27 | petemc | Azar: id doubt that, unless your hardware if exotic/very new |
| 00:37.30 | sursar | petemc: gimme a name and I will try to 'locate' it -- the machine wasn't configured by me |
| 00:37.32 | petemc | is |
| 00:37.44 | Guerin | Azar: nope. |
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| 00:37.53 | Azar | petemc, woody reads and starts the connection ok , sarge not |
| 00:38.02 | gungnir | 'deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free' doesn't appear to work... |
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| 00:38.12 | petemc | sursar: perhaps the config is still in /usr/src/linux-2.4.26/ ... |
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| 00:38.22 | sgeigerbot | petemc: harharhar. |
| 00:38.23 | beardy | CosmoDad: In the gimp, select a brush, draw using the mouse, not that hard. |
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| 00:38.32 | sgeigerbot | petemc: what's your problem? |
| 00:38.33 | nekron | what new version of kernel stable? in kernel.org.. |
| 00:38.34 | Azar | gungir, it works only when there are updates out there |
| 00:38.34 | petemc | Azar: woody doesnt autoload any modules, it had some built into the kernel.. |
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| 00:38.56 | petemc | sgeigerbot: none, lets drop it |
| 00:39.00 | shaleh | anyone else seeing issues with emacs21 and -el packages in unstable? |
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| 00:39.21 | Azar | petemc , agree, you are right where should I tweak to get the ethernet modules after a sarge upgrade (kernel 2.4.18) |
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| 00:39.47 | Azar | petemc, sorry a woody upgrade to sarge |
| 00:39.55 | gungnir | Azar: i've received advisories via email regarding security updates |
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| 00:40.11 | petemc | Azar: if you're still using 2.4.18 than the kernel didnt change |
| 00:40.13 | beardy | !info flpsed sarge |
| 00:40.25 | Azar | gungir, the security updates are done gradually takes a day or two to be reached |
| 00:40.31 | dpkg | flpsed: (a WYSIWYG pseudo PostScript editor), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.3.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 00:40.32 | beardy | CosmoDad: ^^ |
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| 00:40.38 | matiu | How can I install a package that is trying to change the config file of anther package? |
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| 00:40.50 | Guerin | matiu: that should never happen. |
| 00:40.52 | zarathustra | hile, i have a question |
| 00:40.55 | Azar | petemc: woody fresh install with 2.4.18 > upgrading to sarge > preparing to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.8 |
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| 00:41.21 | Guerin | !kiwismite matiu |
| 00:41.28 | Guerin | :) |
| 00:41.34 | Azar | petemc my only worry is that once the sarge was installed, the connection will die |
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| 00:41.44 | CosmoDad | beardy: oh yeah I got it... you get it really horizontally if you press shift |
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| 00:41.46 | Azar | no connection = no new kernel |
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| 00:41.58 | zarathustra | why does the font of the X apps ( xdvi, xedit, xboard) look so strange ? It didnt look like that |
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| 00:42.05 | petemc | Azar: im not sure where you went wrong, but its not hard to note what module woody used for your nic, or to use lspci to find out yourself |
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| 00:42.18 | zarathustra | i dont know how to correct that |
| 00:42.25 | Azar | petemc, thank you lots :) |
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| 00:42.31 | gungnir | Azar: so the line 'deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free' added to the file /etc/apt/sources.list is correct? |
| 00:42.34 | beardy | CosmoDad: Yes. Nice that you're learning :) |
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| 00:42.38 | matiu | The trouble is that I'm running xorg, and trying to install all the package maintainer tools, and they are depending on x11, which want's to change xorgs files. Now my apt-get doesn't work at all, can't go forwards. |
| 00:42.41 | matiu | What can I do? |
| 00:42.47 | Guerin | zarathustra: how should we know, unless you give more specific information? |
| 00:43.12 | zarathustra | Guerin, maybe a screenshot will be useful, wait ... |
| 00:43.12 | Guerin | matiu: you're usiong a non-debian build of xorg? |
| 00:43.21 | matiu | I'm on ubuntu |
| 00:43.27 | Guerin | matiu: #ubuntu |
| 00:43.28 | matiu | mixing in the debian sources |
| 00:43.29 | beardy | matiu: Ask #ubuntu |
| 00:43.30 | CosmoDad | beardy: I find Gimp hard... |
| 00:43.35 | Azar | :) |
| 00:43.36 | matiu | ok. Thanks guys |
| 00:43.46 | Guerin | matiu: that's both unwise and unnecessary, since ubuntu already packages dev tools |
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| 00:45.19 | gungnir | Azar: could you confirm that the line, 'deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free' added to the file /etc/apt/sources.list is correct? |
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| 00:45.33 | Fackamato | Hi, which is newer, testing or unstable? And which is considered "more stable" ? |
| 00:45.34 | beardy | CosmoDad: It's perhaps a bit tricky to get started of you haven't used it before I guess, or any other simillar program. Right-click in the image to do things that is done through the menu. Like Save As, when you're done. Google "gimp tutorial" or "gimp manual" if you want to learn more later. |
| 00:45.42 | Fackamato | And are there any major changes to sarge and what's next? (atm) |
| 00:45.46 | Lifetaker | hey all... perhaps you can assist me, I am sure this is easy... I am qutie certain that during the install of Debian (netinst) I picked the wrong video choice, therefore, when it starts Gnome (default) I am getting a blank screen.. how do I solve that problem? |
| 00:45.48 | Guerin | Fackamato: unstable, and testing, respectively. |
| 00:45.49 | dvs | Fackamato: unstable is newer but testing is more stable |
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| 00:45.53 | thingfish | unstable is newest, testing is more stable than unstable. |
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| 00:46.00 | Fackamato | Thanks, Guerin and dvs |
| 00:46.03 | beardy | CosmoDad: But have a look at the program flpsed too. |
| 00:46.04 | zarathustra | Guerin, look http://132.248.52.42/~sergio/xfonts.jpg |
| 00:46.05 | Guerin | !drxx Fackamato |
| 00:46.06 | dpkg | Fackamato: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:46.08 | dvs | Fackamato: What about thingfish |
| 00:46.14 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:46.22 | Fackamato | thanks thingfish ;P |
| 00:46.25 | thingfish | ;) |
| 00:46.30 | Fackamato | Guerin what about X? ;p |
| 00:46.33 | Fackamato | I don't have X, it's my server |
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| 00:46.43 | Fackamato | Just gonna check what packages are new etc ;o |
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| 00:46.56 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:47.05 | Guerin | !drxx Lifetaker |
| 00:47.06 | dpkg | Lifetaker: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:47.10 | Guerin | Fackamato: sorry. |
| 00:47.14 | Fackamato | np :] |
| 00:47.22 | zarathustra | Guerin, the font looks ugly, and i remember that they looked fine |
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| 00:47.51 | Guerin | zarathustra: choose a different default font from xfontsel |
| 00:48.32 | Guerin | zarathustra: i'm pretty sure you set it in .xresources. But by default, it should just use 'default' which isn't that ugly, so I have no idea what the problems is. |
| 00:48.38 | dvs | zarathustra: Change the order of your fonts in the font file (which I forget the name of) |
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| 00:48.52 | zarathustra | Guerin, ill try the xfontse, thanks |
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| 00:48.57 | zarathustra | dvs, which one ? |
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| 00:49.07 | sanxiyn | http://people.debian.org/~djpig/gcc-transition/log.png |
| 00:49.42 | Lifetaker | Guerin - thanks, how do I get to that point? the start up options just take me to the blank screen, or I can get a GRUB prompt |
| 00:50.22 | dvs | zarathustra: Ah it's the XF86Config file |
| 00:50.26 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 00:50.36 | zarathustra | dvs, ok, thanksm ill try it |
| 00:51.48 | Guerin | Lifetaker: ctrl+alt+f1 will give you a console |
| 00:51.48 | Seb | i just upgraded ssh on a *client*, and now I cannot connect to my server from this client... I can ping it, but when I run ssh -v -v -v theserver.com, it gets stuck on "debug3: Trying to reverse map address x.y.z.t". I can dig -x x.y.z.t just fine on this client ,so I'm unsure what's going on... |
| 00:52.03 | LightVision | will it cause a lot of trouble if I go from Sarge to Testing? |
| 00:52.07 | Guerin | Lifetaker: /etc/init.d/?dm stop will kill x; restart will restart it |
| 00:52.20 | thingfish | LightVision: if you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 00:52.25 | Guerin | LightVision: yes, because you're too stupid for stable, let alone anything more tricky. |
| 00:52.28 | LightVision | thingfish: so i heard :P |
| 00:52.32 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:52.54 | LightVision | Guerin: why do you feel you are stupid? |
| 00:53.02 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 00:53.05 | Guerin | LightVision: why do you feel you are Eliza? |
| 00:53.06 | thingfish | LightVision: why don't you just stick with stable for a while, get used to the debian way of doing things, then experiment later if you still want to. |
| 00:53.06 | Supaplex | so nice of X -configure to lock up my box... |
| 00:53.14 | Lifetaker | Guerin - thank you for the pointer... off I go |
| 00:53.25 | LightVision | Guerin: you see in others what you see in yourself. |
| 00:53.34 | LightVision | thingfish: yeah good idea, thanks :) |
| 00:53.43 | LightVision | thingfish: great advice atcually |
| 00:53.53 | Guerin | LightVision: I see in you a continual spouter of silly psychobabble. |
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| 00:54.17 | beardy | LightVision: Tell me more about (don't) about you see in others what you see in yourself. |
| 00:54.23 | thingfish | because really, newer versions of apps and kernel don't always translate into "I can do more things." |
| 00:54.35 | thingfish | or "a better system". |
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| 00:54.59 | LightVision | Guerin: as i said, you see in others what you see in yourself. people with a low seld-esteem and poor self-image will berate and put others down! yet people with a healthy self-image and esteem, will uplift others and never call them names. Go and think about that for awhile while I place you on my ignore list :) |
| 00:55.03 | Guerin | Supaplex: serves you right for using X -configure |
| 00:55.07 | sanxiyn | M-x psychoanalyze-LightVision |
| 00:55.19 | Guerin | LightVision: you think you're right, but you're not. |
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| 00:55.32 | Supaplex | Guerin: and why is that? |
| 00:55.32 | romulo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.42 | beardy | sanxiyn: Segmentation fault. |
| 00:55.43 | CosmoDad | beardy: I'll take a look at that app |
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| 00:55.56 | Guerin | Supaplex: use drxx. It's just better for you. |
| 00:56.07 | sanxiyn | beardy: Emacs doesn't segfault. |
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| 00:56.16 | beardy | sanxiyn: It did now. |
| 00:56.25 | buu | LightVision: My self esteem is sky high and my self image is perfect.I think you suck. |
| 00:56.28 | Guerin | romulo: i think jack has an equaliser. I've been looking for a native alsa eq, but can't seem to find one. |
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| 00:56.34 | LightVision | I am a psycholigist and I can always tell who has an unhealthy and poor self-image and self esteem by how they berate and call others nasty names . |
| 00:56.43 | sanxiyn | Wow. |
| 00:56.43 | Supaplex | Guerin: does that work for configuring xinerama support? |
| 00:56.51 | Guerin | LightVision: yes, because it's that simple. |
| 00:56.59 | thingfish | if you were a psychologist, chances are you would be able to spell "psychologist". |
| 00:57.01 | LightVision | buu: conciously you claim that, yet subconsciously you dont "believe" it |
| 00:57.04 | LightVision | brb |
| 00:57.08 | trollboy | can someone tell me the package name for ssh? |
| 00:57.14 | Guerin | trollboy: ssh |
| 00:57.20 | trollboy | I'm walking someone through installing debian and its not on the list |
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| 00:57.37 | LightVision | thingfish: dont confuse slip fingers to intelect |
| 00:57.45 | Guerin | <LightVision> Guerin!*@* added to ignore list. # "Lalalalala, I can't here u!" |
| 00:57.45 | sanxiyn | !info ssh |
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| 00:57.55 | thingfish | hehe I don't. The two normally work together. |
| 00:57.55 | beardy | trollboy: It is. |
| 00:57.56 | Guerin | LightVision: intellect |
| 00:58.04 | LightVision | thingfish: have you ever spelt a word on irc wrong that you know how to spell? of course you have :) case closed |
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| 00:58.08 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.2p1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 00:58.12 | cheal | trollboy: if the list you're talking about is tasksel, it won't appear there. but don't worry yet |
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| 00:58.13 | sanxiyn | Well, it's there. |
| 00:58.20 | thingfish | LightVision: I correct my mistakes before they appear in print. |
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| 00:58.32 | LightVision | thingfish: not every single time since you were born :) |
| 00:58.35 | sanxiyn | WARNING: spelling nazis |
| 00:58.43 | LightVision | thingfish: thats what makes us humans,. making mistakes :) |
| 00:58.57 | LightVision | brb |
| 00:58.59 | beardy | LightVision: Are you a superhuman? |
| 00:59.01 | sanxiyn | WARNING: self-claimed psychologist |
| 00:59.13 | thingfish | who can't spell psychologist. |
| 00:59.16 | Guerin | sanxiyn: ++ |
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| 00:59.46 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:59.58 | thingfish | I think you left out an s |
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| 01:00.06 | Seb | so noone has seen that ssh problem yet ? :\ |
| 01:00.08 | thingfish | maybe not though |
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| 01:00.28 | thingfish | isn't it nietzsche? |
| 01:00.34 | thingfish | maybe not, I can't tell now. |
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| 01:00.43 | sanxiyn | Seb: I haven't... |
| 01:00.52 | sanxiyn | Seb: "can't login after upgrade"? |
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| 01:01.15 | trollboy | thingfish, just name the part of your leg where it bends, and then clear your throat, no one will know the difference |
| 01:01.15 | romulo | Guerin, and jack one works? |
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| 01:01.20 | thingfish | besides, he was crazy anyway. |
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| 01:01.45 | wang | !tell root about root |
| 01:01.48 | Seb | sanxiyn: well, "can't login *after upgrading client*" |
| 01:01.52 | dvs | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed |
| 01:01.56 | Seb | the server hasn't changed |
| 01:01.58 | magyar | need help with an init script |
| 01:02.05 | thingfish | I generally eschew philosophy written by syphilitic insane types. |
| 01:02.40 | wang | what's the command to reconfigure xfree86? i keep forgetting |
| 01:02.53 | dvs | !drxx wang |
| 01:02.54 | dpkg | wang: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:02.55 | atom-z | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 01:02.59 | sanxiyn | Seb: ssh died on server? |
| 01:03.03 | wang | atom-z : thanks |
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| 01:03.09 | nono31 | any idea when 2.6.13 will be in sid? |
| 01:03.12 | atom-z | np |
| 01:03.19 | sanxiyn | Seb: Possibly, "after upgrading client" could be co-incidental. |
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| 01:03.25 | Seb | sanxiyn: *all* servers |
| 01:03.28 | sgeigerbot | nono31: compiling your own isn't hard. I recommend you learn. |
| 01:03.31 | sanxiyn | Seb: oops |
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| 01:03.36 | cheal | nono31: in some time. read debian-kernel for a better estimation |
| 01:03.39 | ilpavox | trying to buid a kernel with no apic, but i can't find the option in qconf.. what is it under? |
| 01:03.43 | Seb | sanxiyn: i just checked, the previous ssh client didn't do this "Trying to reverse map address x.y.z.t" :\ |
| 01:03.48 | Seb | sanxiyn: that's where it's blocking now |
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| 01:03.53 | beardy | qconf? |
| 01:03.55 | Seb | the new client, that is |
| 01:03.57 | magyar | nono31: am waiting for the same thing, hope they fix the harddrive activity led "always on" |
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| 01:04.06 | nono31 | sgeigerbot: I do compile my own kernels, just that I like use debian ones because it comes with some corrections... |
| 01:04.14 | sgeigerbot | ilpavox: less .config ...and then search for it. The options are in the order they appear in menuconfig. |
| 01:04.15 | thingfish | and LightVision, if you were truly a psychologist, you would understand that what's going on here is merely socialization. |
| 01:04.17 | LightVision | while im using Sarge, how can I install the latest version of Firefox? |
| 01:04.22 | sanxiyn | Seb: Previous version is <...>, and current broken version is <...>. Fill in the blanks... |
| 01:04.23 | cheal | beardy: make xconfig |
| 01:04.27 | beardy | LightVision: You can't. |
| 01:04.39 | beardy | LightVision: Or, you don't. |
| 01:04.41 | sanxiyn | LightVision: Download mozilla.org installer and install it. |
| 01:04.46 | nono31 | magyar: the hardrive activity les stays on with 2.6.13 ? |
| 01:04.46 | sgeigerbot | nono31: I've nver really looked into what Debian does to fix the kernels. Do you know where that's explained? |
| 01:04.47 | thingfish | LightVision: if you update from sarge security servers, you pretty much will have 1.0.6. |
| 01:04.48 | sanxiyn | LightVision: If you want, nightlies. |
| 01:04.54 | Seb | sanxiyn: 4.1p1-4 vs. 4.2p1-4 |
| 01:04.58 | thingfish | !tell LightVision about sarge firefox |
| 01:05.07 | LightVision | thingfish: and if YOU were a psychologist, you would realise how much you can read about a persons thoughts, and life and beliefs through their structure of words and what and how they treat others |
| 01:05.20 | sgeigerbot | nono31: hmmm...probably in the changelog... |
| 01:05.29 | thingfish | LightVision: but then, I don't claim to be a psychologist, now do I? |
| 01:05.29 | magyar | nono31: dont know, i have to wait and see when they will relase it, i hope my HD will make it till then |
| 01:05.34 | LightVision | is fiurefox 1.06 the latest? |
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| 01:05.50 | athlon___ | hi |
| 01:05.52 | sanxiyn | LightVision: If you want latest, get nightlies from mozilla.org. Case closed. |
| 01:05.53 | beardy | LightVision: Keep it for yourself, or on #madpsychologists |
| 01:05.56 | thingfish | firefox 1.0.7 was released today by mozilla, so no. |
| 01:05.57 | nono31 | sgeigerbot: nope... just knowing debian made some fixes to the kernel was sufficient for me... but I have now some brand new hardware that does not work perfectly and wanted to try 2.6.13.. |
| 01:05.58 | LightVision | thingfish: exactly :) so its difficult to comment on a topic or area when we are not qualifed and ignorant in that area |
| 01:06.04 | Seb | sanxiyn: you running 4.2p1-4 ? |
| 01:06.07 | nono31 | sgeigerbot: probably ;-) |
| 01:06.09 | LightVision | thingfish: thats why I would never claim to know linux better than you :) |
| 01:06.14 | sgeigerbot | nono31: compile your own. |
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| 01:06.30 | nono31 | sgeigerbot: I'll do this now: download finished! ;-) |
| 01:06.31 | sgeigerbot | nono31: I think Linux knows more about the kernel than Debian. ;-) |
| 01:06.34 | sanxiyn | Seb: Yes. |
| 01:06.36 | athlon___ | I've mounted a raid partition on /var, though this /var is from an old machine and currently contains an older dpkg database, how do I lint it to only reflect the actual installed packages? |
| 01:06.41 | sgeigerbot | s/Linux/Linus/ |
| 01:06.59 | sanxiyn | Seb: ssh -V gives: |
| 01:07.01 | sanxiyn | OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-4, OpenSSL 0.9.7g 11 Apr 2005 |
| 01:07.02 | cheal | ilpavox: "Processor type and features" |
| 01:07.06 | thingfish | LightVision: tell me, what is socialization? |
| 01:07.17 | LightVision | thingfish: im gone :) bbl |
| 01:07.23 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:07.23 | athlon___ | is there a lint method to clean up a dpkg database? |
| 01:07.27 | LightVision | thingfish: and go to #psychology |
| 01:07.34 | thingfish | hehe I already know. |
| 01:07.38 | Seb | sanxiyn: when you ssh -v -v -v someserver, do you get the line "debug3: Trying to reverse map address..." ? It's right after "debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK"... |
| 01:07.40 | thingfish | I'm just wondering if you do. |
| 01:07.47 | snd | IM SWEATING |
| 01:07.48 | sanxiyn | Seb: Let's see... |
| 01:07.52 | Seb | sanxiyn: yeah same exact version here |
| 01:08.00 | Manoj_ | debian applies patches to the vanilla kernel. there used to be kernel-patch-<arch>-X-Y packages around that contained the patches |
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| 01:08.47 | dondelelcaro | !info linux-patch-debian-2.6.12 |
| 01:08.48 | sanxiyn | Seb: Yes, I see that. |
| 01:08.54 | nono31 | did someone notice how fu*** slow gnome-terminal is to render? or how it use all use cpu? I extract a linux kernel 1000 times faster with aterm than with gnome-terminal... |
| 01:08.54 | sanxiyn | Seb: debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-4 |
| 01:08.55 | sanxiyn | debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK |
| 01:08.55 | sanxiyn | debug3: Trying to reverse map address 211.104.100.32. |
| 01:08.55 | Manoj_ | after all, Linus' tree is just one amongst several under active development; one may cherry pick features |
| 01:08.55 | thingfish | LightVision: what is seroquel prescribed for? what is depakote prescribed for? Sure, you're not an MD, but you would know these things if you were a psychologist. |
| 01:08.59 | Seb | sanxiyn: but it doesn't hang on it, right ? |
| 01:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 711] by debhelper |
| 01:09.05 | sgeigerbot | !+lart abrotman |
| 01:09.06 | dpkg | linux-patch-debian-2.6.12: (Debian patches to version 2.6.12 of the Linux kernel), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-6 (sid), Packaged size: 262 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 01:09.10 | sanxiyn | Seb: Yes, no hang. |
| 01:09.15 | dondelelcaro | !+info linux-patch-debian-2.6.12 |
| 01:09.19 | cheal | dondelelcaro: dpkg seems pretty slow |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 01:09.46 | abrotman | dpkg!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:09.51 | Seb | sanxiyn: ok, so something's wrong with my DNS then :\ But see, I can dig -x 10.0.0.6 from the client just fine, so I wonder why my ssh client hangs on the reverse mapping ? |
| 01:10.03 | dondelelcaro | damn fucking shm bug |
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| 01:10.08 | dondelelcaro | !+info linux-patch-debian-2.6.12 |
| 01:10.10 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: he's hard of hearing |
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| 01:10.13 | abrotman | dpkg: i love you |
| 01:10.13 | dpkg | The feeling's not mutual |
| 01:10.21 | dpkg | linux-patch-debian-2.6.12: (Debian patches to version 2.6.12 of the Linux kernel), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-6 (sid), Packaged size: 262 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 01:10.22 | dvs | doh! |
| 01:10.25 | cheal | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 01:10.40 | abrotman | oh .. did we get all the beers spelled correctly now ? |
| 01:10.44 | thingfish | ooh, now that sounds good - is that a new beer? |
| 01:10.50 | thingfish | I mean, new to dpkg? |
| 01:10.52 | beardy | How many beers are there? |
| 01:10.55 | cheal | what's shm bug? |
| 01:10.56 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: that should be "an" not "a" |
| 01:11.01 | dvs | Haven't seen my beer yet. |
| 01:11.06 | abrotman | !tell thingfish about literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
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| 01:11.10 | P8ntKid | Ok, when i go to netstat, how do i end one of the connections? |
| 01:11.26 | dvs | P8ntKid: ifdown <name> |
| 01:11.29 | Guerin | P8ntKid: kill the process attached to it? |
| 01:11.30 | thingfish | cool... |
| 01:11.42 | thingfish | abrotman, you are so helpful, I like you. |
| 01:11.46 | bcc | is there a good tutorial about initrd? |
| 01:11.49 | Guerin | dvs: you think he wants to kill an entire interface? |
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| 01:11.58 | P8ntKid | Guerin: The process attached to it is closed, but my computer is still connected to that IP :( |
| 01:12.06 | Guerin | bcc: don't use one unless you really have to <-- that's all I needed to know |
| 01:12.12 | abrotman | thingfish: i love you |
| 01:12.14 | LightVision | is acrobat reader available for Debian? |
| 01:12.15 | thingfish | aww |
| 01:12.18 | thingfish | shucks |
| 01:12.23 | bcc | Guerin: hmm, don't the stock kernels use it? |
| 01:12.25 | dondelelcaro | bcc: it's a filesystem that gets mounted on boot that contains a linuxrc script and whatever is needed to run it and does stuff. the end. |
| 01:12.33 | Guerin | P8ntKid: if there's a connection, there's a process. Kill the process to kill the conneciton. |
| 01:12.42 | P8ntKid | How do i kill it? |
| 01:12.43 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: hello, how are you today? :) |
| 01:12.51 | Guerin | bcc: they need to, because they have to support stupidly large amounts of hardware. |
| 01:12.54 | LightVision | P8ntKid: kill -9 pid |
| 01:12.54 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: busy, as usual... |
| 01:12.55 | bcc | dondelelcaro: i know, i'm just looking for some docs to clarify my understanding |
| 01:13.15 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: I can imagine, but you truly enjoy your work I am assuming |
| 01:13.17 | bucky | LightVision, in the marillat repos |
| 01:13.18 | Guerin | bcc: there are other cases where it is necessary, such as for root-on-rfs, root-on-raid, root-on-lvm, etc. |
| 01:13.35 | dondelelcaro | bcc: well, there really aren't any; every initrd is slightly different. If you're talking about the Debian ones, see the initrd-tools documentation. |
| 01:13.37 | beardy | !tell LightVision about marillat |
| 01:13.45 | Guerin | can someone tell lightvision not to tell people to use -9 |
| 01:13.50 | LightVision | bucky: ok thanks! i have marillat repos added. any ideas what the name ot goes by? i tried acrobat and acrobatreader etc |
| 01:14.18 | Seb | sanxiyn: ok, tcpdump explained it all |
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| 01:14.39 | bucky | LightVision, apt-cache search acroread |
| 01:14.43 | P8ntKid | LightVision: That didnt di anything, it gave me jon@Jonslinux:~$ kill -9 pid |
| 01:14.43 | P8ntKid | -bash: kill: pid: arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 01:14.46 | sanxiyn | LightVision: acroread |
| 01:14.49 | athlon___ | Hrrm, anyone have a fresh debootstrap'd dpkg db? |
| 01:14.50 | Azar | Guering my friend is upgrading to 2.6.8 kernel in Sarge and it got a question: install "boot block" ? he has a dual boot |
| 01:14.55 | LightVision | bucky: yes found it, thanks my friend :) |
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| 01:14.57 | Azar | Guerin* |
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| 01:14.58 | sanxiyn | P8ntKid: You don't type "pid", but type some number that is pid. |
| 01:14.59 | Azar | sorry |
| 01:15.01 | LightVision | sanxiyn: thanks :) |
| 01:15.02 | Seb | sanxiyn: somehow this reverse DNS check goes thourgh all the name resolving methods i have in nsswitch.conf. One of them is WINS, for when I'm at work, but of course the corresponding PDC is not available to me from home... |
| 01:15.07 | Guerin | !say LightVision: don't tell people to use -9. It's almost never necessary and almost always a bad idea. |
| 01:15.07 | dondelelcaro | athlon___: that won't do you any good. |
| 01:15.09 | dpkg | LightVision: don't tell people to use -9. It's almost never necessary and almost always a bad idea. |
| 01:15.12 | Seb | sanxiyn: i took out the WINS arg, and it's fine now |
| 01:15.18 | Seb | sanxiyn: thanks a lot for your help |
| 01:15.19 | sanxiyn | Seb: Glorious tcpdump! |
| 01:15.19 | LightVision | P8ntKid: pid is the number of app |
| 01:15.23 | Seb | sanxiyn: heh |
| 01:15.24 | P8ntKid | oh |
| 01:15.32 | P8ntKid | how do i find out the number of the app? |
| 01:15.33 | Azar | install "boot block" ? on a dual boot? |
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| 01:15.42 | LightVision | i didnt know that about -9 |
| 01:15.42 | sanxiyn | P8ntKid: Usually, with ps. |
| 01:15.43 | Guerin | Azar: MBR. Yes. |
| 01:15.47 | LightVision | sorry i was wrong |
| 01:15.51 | Azar | thanks Guerin |
| 01:15.56 | bcc | Thanks for contacting us! Unfortunately Debian installation is not a service we're able to provide at this time. Our apologies for this inconvenience. However, we would be able to provide free KVM usage for 4 hours. Just email us your new server's IP once you've placed an order. |
| 01:15.58 | Guerin | P8ntKid: -p switch to netstat |
| 01:16.02 | bcc | ops, wrong window |
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| 01:16.12 | athlon___ | dondelelcaro, what would you suggest then? |
| 01:16.14 | beardy | bcc: ? |
| 01:16.17 | magyar | i have an init script that starts a process and creates a pid file. But when i look in the pid file the process number and the actual running process dont match. Can someone help? |
| 01:16.19 | athlon___ | i know it's not hooped... just dirty install |
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| 01:16.37 | Shockcore | hello |
| 01:16.41 | bcc | wrong window guys |
| 01:16.47 | dondelelcaro | athlon___: you need to reinstall the packages that you think should be installed, or back up the status file from a backup |
| 01:16.53 | Guerin | !say LightVision: if you didn't know what it did, why the fuck are you advising people to use it? |
| 01:16.54 | dpkg | LightVision: if you didn't know what it did, why the fuck are you advising people to use it |
| 01:17.11 | beardy | Guerin: :) |
| 01:17.22 | athlon___ | dondelelcaro, thanks, not a big deal though, all dependencies seem to be met, it's just that I have to run through and remove a pile of shit... that's all... |
| 01:17.27 | sanxiyn | Shit linking libxul.so consumes >500M memory. |
| 01:17.30 | sanxiyn | I can't stand it. |
| 01:17.35 | LightVision | because I was very certain that it was correct as it was given to me once/ |
| 01:17.39 | LightVision | sorry i was wrong |
| 01:17.58 | sanxiyn | ... global notice ?! |
| 01:17.59 | dvs | Yikes! |
| 01:18.11 | dvs | sanxiyn: Network operator |
| 01:18.20 | LightVision | i thought that everyone already left texas |
| 01:18.35 | Shockcore | hello can somebody help me with this ? http://pastebin.com/370539 i does that with aptitude, dselect, taskselect ,etc etc |
| 01:18.41 | dvs | LightVision: You don't have to leave Texas. Just parts of Texas. |
| 01:18.42 | Guerin | lilo is based in houston, i think he needs to move a lot of freenode's kit inland |
| 01:18.46 | P8ntKid | Guerin: Where does it show the number? |
| 01:18.52 | LightVision | dvs: ah i didnt know that |
| 01:19.00 | ryan_ | hey |
| 01:19.07 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Aha. |
| 01:19.10 | ryan_ | how does one use lilo to pass kernel paramaters? |
| 01:19.10 | LightVision | i am making a lot of mistakes today! i better be silent from now on :) |
| 01:19.26 | rlo | P8ntKid, what are you trying to kill? |
| 01:19.28 | sanxiyn | He is trying to keep the network running. |
| 01:19.41 | dvs | The question is "who" ;-) |
| 01:19.48 | P8ntKid | rlo: Ventrilo |
| 01:20.16 | rlo | P8ntKid, ps -aux |grep Ventrilo |
| 01:20.25 | Guerin | P8ntKid: netstat -plaunt ; the last column - the number before the service name: 3226/sshd forex |
| 01:20.48 | sanxiyn | !beer Guerin |
| 01:20.55 | rlo | P8ntKid, or what Guerin said |
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| 01:21.10 | green_earz | LightVision: hello there and is training in psychology, clinical psychologist or social psychologist ? just wondering |
| 01:21.23 | rlo | Guerin, is that the pid or port? |
| 01:21.56 | thingfish | green_earz: why not ask instead what are the major symptoms of borderline personality disorder? |
| 01:22.10 | rlo | Guerin, nm |
| 01:22.13 | P8ntKid | Guerin: Thanks, Thats worked! |
| 01:22.15 | thingfish | because this person is not a psychologist. |
| 01:22.23 | sanxiyn | Anyone interested in latest news concerning GPL dispute in Korea? |
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| 01:22.44 | Shockcore | hello can somebody help me with this ? http://pastebin.com/370539 i does that with aptitude, dselect, taskselect ,etc etc |
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| 01:23.49 | ilpavox | apic is under processor type and features in .config, but it is not listed in qconf.. i don't want to change it to no in .conf because i don't know what depends on it |
| 01:24.10 | Guerin | mmm, beer |
| 01:24.12 | ilpavox | er, in a text editor |
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| 01:24.30 | revenger4 | hmm what does "Optimizing Oracle 10g on Linux: Non-RAC ASM vs. LVM" non-rac asm mean? |
| 01:24.31 | Guerin | sanxiyn: today is the first cold day! |
| 01:25.48 | ma3x | is there some service program for debian, like itunes or napster or what ever, to download songs legally? |
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| 01:26.05 | thingfish | ma3x: I'd check out emusic. |
| 01:26.07 | egon_spengler | mp3songs.com |
| 01:27.06 | Guerin | ma3x: allofmp3.com is debatably legal in some jurisdictions |
| 01:27.34 | magyar | i have an init script that starts a process and creates a pid file. But when i look in the pid file the process number in the .pid and the actual running process dont match. I need help? |
| 01:27.35 | Guerin | ma3x: oh, a program... any place that requires you to use their client program to download stuff isn't worth patronising. |
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| 01:28.30 | error403_ | why is it, after using debian, the jump from debian to something else is harder than that from windows to linux? |
| 01:28.36 | Legind | hi there, i'm having some problems with grub. i've just compiled my 2.6.13.2 kernel and i'm getting this error at bootup w/ grub options: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 01:28.55 | thingfish | error403_: because Debian is so good, and all the others you mentioned are totally crap. |
| 01:29.00 | dvs | Legind: The file system is not in the kernel? |
| 01:29.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 705] by debhelper |
| 01:29.28 | Guerin | !wayc Legind |
| 01:29.29 | dpkg | Legind: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:29.33 | error403_ | Legind, whats in /boot/grub/device.map? |
| 01:29.40 | Guerin | error403_: irrelevant |
| 01:29.42 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 01:29.43 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
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| 01:29.50 | Legind | dvs: well, first VFS gives the error VFS: Cannot open root device hda1 or unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 01:30.14 | Legind | error403_, that's hd0 = hda, hd1 = hdb |
| 01:30.20 | ma3x | Guerin, that site allofmp3.com is really zero |
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| 01:30.31 | athlon___ | dondelelcaro, can you tell me where dpkg stores the system's current state? |
| 01:30.37 | error403_ | Legind, and what drive is your root partition on? |
| 01:30.40 | sanxiyn | athlon___: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 01:30.40 | thingfish | I like emusic because they have tons of zappa. |
| 01:30.47 | Guerin | ma3x: zero what? |
| 01:31.05 | sanxiyn | athlon___: Eh, or /var/lib/dpkg. |
| 01:31.14 | Legind | error403_, I'm assuming the same as my old kernel 2.4, hda1 |
| 01:31.19 | ma3x | Guerin, zero results |
| 01:31.36 | Guerin | Legind: build your root filesystem and your root device controller into the kernel, or use a debian kernel. |
| 01:31.42 | Guerin | ma3x: zero results FOR WHAT? |
| 01:31.46 | LightVision | thingfish: do you think macOS is crap? |
| 01:32.01 | thingfish | LightVision: I have no opinion on mac os. |
| 01:32.02 | ma3x | Guerin, some classic stuff |
| 01:32.19 | ma3x | Guerin, rare stuff that's usually in all music stores |
| 01:32.25 | Guerin | ma3x: ok, so it doesn't have $random_obscure_shit you want. |
| 01:32.28 | LightVision | thingfish: have you ever tried it for an extended period of time to truly evaluate it? |
| 01:32.29 | athlon___ | sanxiyn thanks |
| 01:32.35 | Guerin | ma3x: hahaha, rare, and yet, usually in all music stores. |
| 01:32.49 | Guerin | ma3x: is that like big, yet small? |
| 01:32.50 | thingfish | LightVision: no I have not. I'd have to stand for hours in a mac store, and I don't care to do that. |
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| 01:32.54 | ma3x | Guerin, yeah, in all music stores, but not on their site |
| 01:33.04 | Guerin | cheap, but expensive... |
| 01:33.13 | ma3x | Guerin, I guess napster would have some of that rare stuff, but not allofmp3 |
| 01:33.17 | LightVision | thingfish: so why then did you call it crap when you haven't even done your own due diligence on it? |
| 01:33.20 | Guerin | ma3x: i guess not. |
| 01:33.29 | thingfish | LightVision: I have never called mac os crap. |
| 01:33.32 | error403_ | actually, never mind - Legind, i would agree with others - means you are missing a module... |
| 01:33.32 | ma3x | Guerin, what to do |
| 01:33.38 | thingfish | you must have mistaken me for someone else. |
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| 01:33.43 | Legind | error403_, ok thanks |
| 01:33.43 | ramil | hgdgdg |
| 01:33.45 | Guerin | ma3x: buy a real physical disc and make your own. |
| 01:33.49 | LillDude_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.56 | dvs | password! |
| 01:34.00 | Guerin | LillDude_: change your password before I do. |
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| 01:34.13 | LillDude_ | what? |
| 01:34.26 | dvs | Lilldude: We saw your password!!! |
| 01:34.32 | LillDude_ | oh oh |
| 01:34.42 | LightVision | thingfish: you claimed anything besides debian is crap, scroll back |
| 01:34.57 | sanxiyn | LightVision: Read the words in context! |
| 01:35.03 | Guerin | !lart LightVision for trolling |
| 01:35.07 | thingfish | LightVision: well, that's to be expected from a hardcore Debian GNU/Linux supporter like myself. |
| 01:35.12 | thingfish | LightVision: bugger off. |
| 01:35.22 | thingfish | and I mean that politely. |
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| 01:35.43 | sanxiyn | LightVision: Context was, IIRC, why is debian->other distro switch seems harder than windows->linux. |
| 01:35.45 | Guerin | thingfish: and as no reflection of anyone's self-esteem. |
| 01:35.53 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:35.57 | sanxiyn | LightVision: So it means, (by my common sense), all other Linux distros are crap. |
| 01:36.04 | sanxiyn | Not Mac OS X. |
| 01:36.09 | sanxiyn | (Not that I agree to that...) |
| 01:36.34 | jlil | wow some one put password in room |
| 01:36.41 | LightVision | sanxiyn: heh :) |
| 01:36.42 | beardy | !room |
| 01:36.42 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 01:36.44 | sanxiyn | Okay my password is password. |
| 01:36.51 | sanxiyn | Really. |
| 01:37.08 | Guerin | omg, you didn't even change it to passw0rd to be 1337? |
| 01:37.12 | sanxiyn | p-a-s-s-w-o-r-d. I can't remember other passwords. |
| 01:37.20 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:37.50 | error403_ | lesson we learn from this? always IDENTIFY in the server tab, not channel tab |
| 01:38.04 | Guerin | error403_: automate identification :) |
| 01:38.10 | error403_ | Guerin, that too |
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| 01:38.32 | error403_ | hmmm, does freenode have SSL? |
| 01:38.45 | Guerin | error403_: i bet www.freenode.net knows |
| 01:38.52 | sanxiyn | error403_: No. |
| 01:38.55 | error403_ | Guerin, true... |
| 01:38.59 | sanxiyn | error403_: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml |
| 01:39.45 | error403_ | thanks sanxiyn |
| 01:39.52 | xdumped | hi, im trying to install a bootsplash, i patch the kernel and install the necessary programs and do the right configurations...but it doesnt work. I think that the problem is when I try to install the patched kernel.....i receive the following message: "Searching for splash image... none found, skipping..." |
| 01:40.05 | xdumped | anyone know anything about? |
| 01:40.59 | sanxiyn | xdumped: Apparently, splash image wasn't found. |
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| 01:41.01 | error403_ | i have to say, Debian has the best ease/control balance in its installer... |
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| 01:41.18 | coywolf | how can change the fonts for UTF-8 in debian? the current fonts are ugly |
| 01:41.38 | dvs | coywolf: In a console? |
| 01:41.44 | thingfish | error403_: Debian is all about quality. |
| 01:42.06 | thingfish | glad you're liking it. |
| 01:42.18 | coywolf | dvs, in X |
| 01:42.24 | coywolf | dvs, in firefox |
| 01:42.25 | Shockcore | hello can somebody help me with this ? http://pastebin.com/370539 i does that with aptitude, dselect, taskselect ,etc etc |
| 01:42.44 | sanxiyn | coywolf: Edit > Preferences > General > Font and Color |
| 01:42.57 | dvs | coywolf: You could try rearranging the FontPaths in the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
| 01:43.16 | sanxiyn | dvs: That doesn't help with font selection in Firefox... |
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| 01:43.50 | sanxiyn | coywolf: Choose "Unicode" from dropdown list and select fonts you want. |
| 01:44.30 | coywolf | sanxiyn, i have the settings as serif serif sans-serif monospace, they looks good in ISO-8859-1, but ugly in UTF-8 |
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| 01:44.59 | sanxiyn | coywolf: Then correctly set font you want. |
| 01:45.32 | sanxiyn | coywolf: I guess, those "looks good" font lacks many characters, so Firefox doesn't choose it when displaying UTF-8 page. |
| 01:46.17 | coywolf | sanxiyn, yes, good look fonts lack, but i still want good looking |
| 01:46.44 | sanxiyn | coywolf: You can use fontconfig, or just set font you want in Firefox dialog. |
| 01:47.09 | error403_ | thingfish, yeah - i been using debian for about 5 months now... and every other distro i try, even debian-based, is nowhere near as good |
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| 01:47.46 | sanxiyn | coywolf: fontconfig example: http://debian.pastebin.com/370560 |
| 01:47.50 | xdumped | sanxiyn: but the splash image is in the /boot |
| 01:47.54 | sanxiyn | coywolf: Put it on /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 01:47.58 | thingfish | error403_: I've tried a lot of distros, too, and yes, I agree - none of them can really compare with Debian in terms of overall quality. |
| 01:48.05 | sanxiyn | (Change font name, of course.) |
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| 01:49.01 | error403_ | thingfish, the only thing that has been irritating me recently is the frequency with which i have to go to testing to get a recent package |
| 01:49.18 | thingfish | error403_: yeah, well, what are ya gonna do... |
| 01:49.22 | thingfish | me too. |
| 01:49.27 | sanxiyn | Release Debian Fast! =3 |
| 01:49.29 | thingfish | not that it irritates me. |
| 01:49.34 | cacto | hello guys |
| 01:49.39 | error403_ | thingfish, bookmark packages.debian.org ... |
| 01:49.41 | error403_ | lol |
| 01:50.00 | thingfish | I do all my magic through my sources.list. |
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| 01:50.32 | thingfish | man, I need to get cooking. |
| 01:50.39 | error403_ | thingfish, i'm wondering, is it worth running on testing instead of stable? |
| 01:51.09 | error403_ | Just wondering - where the hell has kdevelop gone? |
| 01:51.13 | thingfish | error403_: I don't think so. I take a kernel, xorg, and gnome 2.10 from etch, and leave everything else as it is. |
| 01:51.44 | sanxiyn | error403_: Renamed to kdevelop3! |
| 01:51.48 | thingfish | which is plenty bastardized enough, as it is. |
| 01:52.16 | error403_ | sanxiyn, thanks, ill have a look... |
| 01:52.24 | sanxiyn | error403_: Because kdevelop 2 and kdevelop 3 is sufficiently different, maintainers changed package name. |
| 01:52.31 | error403_ | thingfish, gnome2.1 worth upgrading to? |
| 01:52.44 | error403_ | sanxiyn, i see |
| 01:53.15 | thingfish | error403_: well, not really. It's not like it does all that much more or better than 2.8. |
| 01:53.58 | sanxiyn | error403_: Decide yourself: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.10/notes/ |
| 01:54.04 | error403_ | thingfish, fair enough - actually, for gtk-based, i like XFCE |
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| 01:55.03 | dondelelcaro | has anyone seen wierd corruption on tmpfs filesystems using xen? [I've been presented with a strange bug where /dev/shm/resolvconf/resolv.conf and /dev/shm/network/ifstate are corrupted on a Xen instance...] |
| 01:55.10 | error403_ | Another question - where have the k8 kernels gone? |
| 01:55.16 | thingfish | ok, I'm off to the kitchen. This chicken's not going to cut itself up and stir fry itself. |
| 01:55.18 | error403_ | i have a non-64-bit k8... |
| 01:55.20 | dvst | hey, how can I help with "Debian Description Translation Project"? I get into http://ddtp.debian.org/, but don't find info about how to help |
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| 01:55.35 | error403_ | thingfish, would be cool if it did... |
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| 01:56.09 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: We use Xen + Sarge here, and haven't seen that yet. |
| 01:56.18 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: are you using resolvconf? |
| 01:56.23 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: No. |
| 01:56.40 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: hrm... can you check your /dev/shm/network/ifstate? |
| 01:57.06 | sanxiyn | dvst: DDTP seems to be pretty much in limbo. Perhaps you need to mail some admins... |
| 01:57.18 | magyar | i have an init script that starts a process and creates a pid file. But when i look in the pid file the process number in the .pid and the actual running process dont match. I need help? |
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| 01:57.28 | error403_ | sanxiyn, you seem to be knowledgable... have amd64 and k8 been merged? |
| 01:57.30 | LiquidAngle | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.36 | sanxiyn | error403_: No idea. |
| 01:58.00 | error403_ | sanxiyn, ok, thanks anyway |
| 01:58.11 | dvst | sanxiyn, you have some email o some admin? |
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| 01:59.14 | helpme | is there a list of repos i can add? plz help the newbie |
| 01:59.17 | theeil | what should i use for sound? alsa, esound,,,? how do i install/configure that? |
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| 01:59.56 | sanxiyn | dvst: There used to be "DDTP server" with mail interface... Seems to be gone? |
| 02:00.32 | websae | anyone know of a http get program where i can run a command to download something from http site? |
| 02:00.33 | cheal | helpme: did you try # apt-setup ? |
| 02:00.36 | coywolf | sanxiyn, thanks |
| 02:00.46 | cheal | websae: wget |
| 02:00.51 | websae | how do i get that? |
| 02:01.14 | cheal | websae: by installing the wget package |
| 02:01.38 | helpme | cheal: nope..but someone here once gave me a link to a page which had the FULL list of repos that could be added...can i have that? |
| 02:01.41 | dvst | sanxiyn, seems |
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| 02:01.55 | cheal | !tell websae about msg |
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| 02:02.07 | websae | apt-get install wget ---is that the command? |
| 02:02.08 | cheal | !tell helpme about mirrors |
| 02:02.39 | sanxiyn | dvst: Ask http://lists.debian.org/debian-ddtp/ |
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| 02:02.57 | sanxiyn | dvst: No activity since creation and some test messages, but... |
| 02:03.05 | websae | !tell cheal about msg |
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| 02:03.22 | sanxiyn | websae: Yes, it is a command. |
| 02:03.41 | websae | sanxiyn: this one 'apt-get install wget' |
| 02:03.45 | websae | is that the correct one? |
| 02:03.51 | sanxiyn | websae: Yes. |
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| 02:03.57 | cadu | anyone here has built the linux saturn pad parport interface? |
| 02:04.03 | sanxiyn | websae: Reading some basic documentations will help you, I think. |
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| 02:07.56 | helpme | cheal: thx but not this one cheal......list of repos with different software |
| 02:08.10 | LightVision | Linux uses modules from the kernel. Does ms windows do this same way? |
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| 02:08.48 | cheal | helpme: different than what...? |
| 02:08.50 | bai | I'm trying to use dpkg-buildpackage to build a package which has several different configuration options specified in debian/rules - how do I tell it which to use? |
| 02:09.26 | dondelelcaro | bai: dpkg-buildpackage will build all of the packages with the different configuration options |
| 02:09.26 | LightVision | !seen eeyore |
| 02:09.26 | dpkg | LightVision: i haven't seen 'eeyore' |
| 02:09.33 | helpme | cheal: like repos having differnet software like some having biology packages, some having other specialised packages |
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| 02:10.05 | astronut | what's m68k? |
| 02:10.07 | dondelelcaro | helpme: the full debian mirrors have all of the packages that are actually in Debian; everything else you find using google. |
| 02:10.08 | sanxiyn | bai: What are you trying to compile? |
| 02:10.09 | bai | dondelelcaro: oh, is there a way to make it only build one, or would I essentially just have to manually do what dpkg-buildpackage does for the one I want? |
| 02:10.10 | astronut | motorolla proccessor right? |
| 02:10.10 | error403_ | is there a way to use your current kernel config as the starting point for a newer config? |
| 02:10.11 | astronut | old macs? |
| 02:10.15 | sanxiyn | astronut: Yes. |
| 02:10.15 | bai | sanxiyn: teapop-pgsql |
| 02:10.20 | cheal | astronut: wikipedia is likely to know |
| 02:10.38 | bai | the official package seems to have vhost support disabled |
| 02:10.40 | cadu | anyone here has built the linux saturn pad parport interface? o_O |
| 02:10.46 | dondelelcaro | bai: generally you just build them all unless the rules file was written to allow that specifically |
| 02:10.48 | cheal | helpme: debian probably has that, but maybe you're thinking about apt-get.org |
| 02:10.53 | helpme | :(.......but someone here once gave me a FULL list.....:( |
| 02:10.54 | dondelelcaro | bai: what exactly are you building? |
| 02:11.00 | bai | dondelelcaro: teapop-pgsql |
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| 02:11.09 | bai | I guess I'll just tell it to ignore dependencies then |
| 02:11.13 | _gass_ | hello |
| 02:11.13 | sanxiyn | helpme: what full list? |
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| 02:11.42 | _gass_ | can i have the debian menu option in gnome 2.10 menu? |
| 02:11.45 | helpme | hey ya i got it..........apt-get.org........didnt u all know abt this? |
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| 02:12.01 | cheal | helpme: many people know about that site |
| 02:12.07 | bob2 | helpme: it has a variety of poorly-maintained and broken packages, yes |
| 02:12.16 | helpme | cheal: thanks a lot:) |
| 02:12.29 | helpme | i'll use with care:) |
| 02:12.40 | thingfish | dpkg, can you sell me a joint? |
| 02:12.52 | thingfish | :/ |
| 02:12.54 | Shockcore | hello can somebody help me with this ? http://pastebin.com/370539 i does that with aptitude, dselect, taskselect ,etc etc |
| 02:13.18 | thingfish | what good is a bot without drugs, I ask you. |
| 02:13.23 | Xenguy | dpkg can you sell me a joint? |
| 02:13.34 | Xenguy | not happening |
| 02:13.35 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: this joint is not for sale. |
| 02:13.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:13.45 | Xenguy | nyuck nyuck |
| 02:13.48 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:13.50 | _gass_ | how can i add the the debian menu into gnome's 2.10 menu? |
| 02:13.53 | dondelelcaro | bai: just use pbuilder to build it if you need special options... and it doesn't really look like vpop is disabled (and I didn't see a vhost option) |
| 02:14.00 | sanxiyn | Shockcore: Eh, how did that happen? |
| 02:14.00 | cheal | I don't see how you expect a joint from a bot on crack |
| 02:14.09 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:14.24 | Shockcore | sanxiyn no idea mate i just got in that box |
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| 02:14.35 | Shockcore | someone had it in charge before |
| 02:15.06 | thingfish | now see, LightVision, if you were really a psychologist, you'd be laughing with us, because goodness knows all real psychologists are major potheads. |
| 02:15.15 | bai | dondelelcaro: actually I just found out it's the the opposite...I want to DISABLE vpop, and that way teapop will just pass the username as it was received to the database so I can handle it myself instead of letting teapop try |
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| 02:15.52 | bai | dondelelcaro: I got it to build fine by just ignoring dependencies, the ones I didn't need just failed to build and didn't cause any problems |
| 02:16.02 | dondelelcaro | bai: ah, right... so just add a --disable-vpop to the end of the confflags line; and build away. |
| 02:16.05 | Shockcore | do you know how to repair that sanxiyn ? |
| 02:16.06 | sanxiyn | bai: Open debian/rules, add confflags += --disable-vpop. |
| 02:16.12 | websae | im curious...im running a .py ...and everytime i start it says command not found |
| 02:16.14 | websae | any ideas anyone? |
| 02:16.18 | sanxiyn | Shockcore: No idea. |
| 02:16.24 | Shockcore | :( |
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| 02:16.30 | sanxiyn | websae: You run .py file with python. |
| 02:16.30 | bai | yeah, got it |
| 02:16.37 | websae | i realize that |
| 02:16.40 | websae | i have python installed |
| 02:16.43 | LightVision | thingfish: no comment. its obvious you have already made up your mind and called me a liar. there is nothing I can say |
| 02:16.56 | websae | do i have to execute the script with python command or something? |
| 02:17.03 | sanxiyn | websae: Exactly. |
| 02:17.04 | thingfish | oh LightVision, don't be a party pooper. kissy kissy, let's make up. |
| 02:17.17 | dondelelcaro | bai: I personally would just apt-get install pbuilder; sudo pbuilder --basetgz ~/base.tgz --mirror http://debian.usc.edu create; pdebuild --buildresult .. -- --basetgz ~/basetgz; or similar. |
| 02:17.25 | websae | on the manual for this script i am running just says....'type the filename' |
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| 02:18.08 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: How is pbuilder better than dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 02:18.23 | thingfish | seriously, LightVision, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings or otherwise demean you. peace and love, and all that, you know. |
| 02:18.24 | websae | how would i execute the program sanxiyn? |
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| 02:18.35 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: apt-cache show pbuilder |
| 02:18.37 | sanxiyn | websae: Let's say, the file is foo.py. You run "python foo.py". |
| 02:18.38 | dondelelcaro | win 32 |
| 02:18.42 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: I know what pbuilder is. |
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| 02:19.02 | bai | dondelelcaro: I'll keep that in mind for next time, thanks |
| 02:19.10 | sanxiyn | websae: That manual is obviously written for win32 users. I think. |
| 02:19.30 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: uh, then why were you asking why you would use pbuilder instead of dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 02:19.46 | websae | no...it was written for debian |
| 02:19.51 | _gass_ | how can i add the the debian menu into gnome's 2.10 menu? |
| 02:19.56 | websae | TINY-ERP is the accounting package it's called |
| 02:20.11 | thingfish | _gass_: um, it isn't already there? it is on my box. |
| 02:20.16 | cheal | !nomsg |
| 02:20.16 | dpkg | The idea of the IRC channel is to have multiple people review what is being said...so that you get accurate information. Additionally, this helps to lessen the burden on any single person, as multiple people can step in and lend their expertise. If you are not in the channel and you talk with one person and find out that that person doesn't know the answer then you have to start re-telling your story again. |
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| 02:20.20 | gozz | how do i use the dpkg command to install a .deb? |
| 02:20.20 | cheal | dpkg: no, nomsg is <reply> Do not /msg someone without asking permission on the channel first. The idea of the IRC channel is to have multiple people review what is being said...so that you get accurate information. Additionally, this helps to lessen the burden on any single person, as multiple people can step in and lend their expertise. If you are not in the channel and you talk with one person and find out that that person doesn't know t |
| 02:20.21 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 02:20.25 | magyar | what is "killproc"? |
| 02:20.28 | sanxiyn | websae: Perhaps it need executable permission. Perhaps you should do ./foo.py instead of foo.py. |
| 02:20.30 | cheal | gozz: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 02:20.40 | gozz | thanks |
| 02:21.00 | websae | hmm |
| 02:21.03 | websae | how do i do that? |
| 02:21.14 | Jebediah | hailz, would somebody like to try an ssh dict attack on me? Gotta see if something is working. |
| 02:21.19 | sanxiyn | websae: ... |
| 02:21.46 | websae | ok |
| 02:21.47 | websae | sorry |
| 02:21.48 | websae | lol |
| 02:21.49 | websae | got it |
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| 02:22.16 | Jebediah | takk petemc :P |
| 02:22.16 | micka | i have no accents on mutt why ? display \\ |
| 02:22.18 | LightVision | thingfish: thanks :) ditto ;) |
| 02:22.22 | thingfish | ;) |
| 02:22.42 | LightVision | !hug thingfish |
| 02:22.44 | sanxiyn | micka: Set locale correctly. |
| 02:22.45 | thingfish | aww |
| 02:22.54 | Guerin | !aww |
| 02:22.54 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 02:22.58 | thingfish | now I'm all embarassed. |
| 02:23.05 | micka | set send_charset="utf8 |
| 02:23.08 | LightVision | thingfish: hehe :) |
| 02:23.12 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:23.26 | sanxiyn | micka: I mean LANG... |
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| 02:23.38 | LightVision | anyway, thanks everyone for today, time to go and see you next time. keep happy :) |
| 02:24.04 | _gass_ | thingfish: it is not |
| 02:24.08 | thingfish | man, irc draws all us weirdos out into the open, doesn't it. |
| 02:24.25 | Jebediah | what do you mean thingfish? |
| 02:24.34 | sanxiyn | micka: You have mutt charset option set too? |
| 02:24.40 | sanxiyn | micka: Also, set file_charset together with send_charset. |
| 02:24.41 | thingfish | Jebediah: I don't know what I mean. What did I say? |
| 02:24.53 | _gass_ | fuck ... hplip is QT ... |
| 02:24.58 | Jebediah | thingfish: man, irc draws all us weirdos out into the open, doesn't it. |
| 02:25.01 | thingfish | oh |
| 02:25.13 | thingfish | well, is it true or not? |
| 02:25.34 | Jebediah | It tells me true |
| 02:25.47 | sanxiyn | IRC seems to have higher concentration of weirdo population. |
| 02:25.56 | thingfish | it really does. |
| 02:26.14 | Jebediah | it consists of people who don't have normal social lives for the most part, yeah |
| 02:26.18 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 02:26.32 | sanxiyn | thingfish: Try a census, with null hypothesis and proper statistics... |
| 02:27.06 | micka | set charset="utf8" and file_charset="utf8" no work in uxterm |
| 02:27.08 | thingfish | well I can't do anything right now because my little persian girl kitty has taken over my mousepad. |
| 02:27.17 | sanxiyn | micka: echo $LANG |
| 02:27.38 | thingfish | hehe Guerin but it's her house too! |
| 02:27.42 | Jebediah | Is it sad I thought you were referring to pk.com thingfish? |
| 02:27.50 | thingfish | hehe sure |
| 02:27.53 | micka | sanxiyn: fr_FR.UTF-8 |
| 02:27.56 | sanxiyn | Please prevent useless use of cat. |
| 02:28.02 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:28.03 | Guerin | well, not hates, per se, but ... c'mon, you can boss a cat around some |
| 02:28.10 | Gnea | .. some |
| 02:28.12 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:28.15 | thingfish | oh, not little princess. |
| 02:28.22 | sanxiyn | micka: Strange... does terminal have separate encoding configuration? |
| 02:28.24 | Gnea | rawr? |
| 02:28.28 | SerajewelKS | what is the package for nvidia glx drivers with xorg on testing? |
| 02:29.04 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it's the same and compatible as the original, so you'd go through the usual process (if you know it) |
| 02:29.09 | micka | in xterm also t \352tre acc\351d\351e |
| 02:29.19 | micka | debian sid |
| 02:29.28 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, all of a sudden my acceleration is gone |
| 02:29.32 | sanxiyn | micka: mutt + UTF-8 works for me, so it must be other problem... |
| 02:29.33 | SerajewelKS | glxgears is getting 114 fps |
| 02:29.35 | Guerin | no time for cats like that |
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| 02:29.43 | SerajewelKS | i've done apt-get --reinstall nvidia-glx |
| 02:29.44 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: egads - that was an upgrade? |
| 02:29.57 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, no.. it just stopped now. i did nothing. poof. |
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| 02:30.15 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: check /usr/lib/libGL* and make sure they're linked right |
| 02:30.16 | lunaphyte | how 'safe' is it to test a sata software RAID1 device by physically pulling a drive on a running system? |
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| 02:30.26 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, well yeah i assumed reinstall nvidia-glx would fix those |
| 02:30.38 | buu | lunaphyte: You know you want to do it. |
| 02:30.38 | Gnea | lunaphyte: i'd ask google |
| 02:30.46 | SerajewelKS | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Sep 21 21:29 libGL.so -> libGL.so.1.0.7174 |
| 02:30.47 | thingfish | Guerin: oh no, she wouldn't have any of that kind of crude, "normal" cat doings. |
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| 02:30.55 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yeah well, it's testing/unstable, you know how it is |
| 02:30.57 | Guerin | thingfish: ... |
| 02:30.57 | lunaphyte | buu: yeah, i do. :) |
| 02:31.05 | Gnea | looks right |
| 02:31.07 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, but i didn't change a damn thing... |
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| 02:31.18 | SerajewelKS | not even an upgrade |
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| 02:31.26 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: have you restarted X since the upgrade? |
| 02:31.30 | Varanger | hello... I have installed gaim for the first time in Debian |
| 02:31.32 | Gnea | oh |
| 02:31.35 | lunaphyte | Gnea: yeah - i haven't found anything super-compelling so far. |
| 02:31.44 | Varanger | but I don't have the emoticons... which package do I need? |
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| 02:31.48 | thingfish | !beer Varanger |
| 02:31.51 | sineer | hi! |
| 02:32.01 | Varanger | . |
| 02:32.10 | Gnea | lunaphyte: if it was hardware raid, i'd *probably* say "yeah, go for it", but software raid isn't meant for hotplugging, it's meant for joining disks together to make one |
| 02:32.12 | micka | strange |
| 02:32.16 | sineer | How can I disconnect a dchroot session from my network/the net ? |
| 02:32.18 | sanxiyn | Varanger: Gaim emoticon works for me. |
| 02:32.20 | Varanger | !beer thingfish |
| 02:32.21 | thingfish | Varanger: gaim-themes |
| 02:32.24 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, glxinfo |grep direct says "yes" |
| 02:32.29 | krassy1809 | how i can look in directory on windows based computer in my network ? |
| 02:32.48 | Varanger | thingfish: thank you! |
| 02:33.08 | thingfish | Varanger: but if you use any but the default themes, we'll call you a girly man. |
| 02:33.11 | sanxiyn | thingfish: Not really... "gaim" comes with default emoticon themes. |
| 02:33.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Sep 11 20:30 libGLU.a -> ../X11R6/lib/libGLU.a |
| 02:33.22 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: does your kernel module match the version of the glx libs - 7174? |
| 02:33.22 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, is that right? |
| 02:33.25 | caphuso | Gnea: you can do hotplugging with software raid, if your hardware supports it |
| 02:33.41 | lunaphyte | this is funny "You should do this with the power off. If you are interested in testing whether your data can survive with a disk less than the usual number, there is no point in being a hot-plug cowboy here." |
| 02:33.47 | Varanger | thingfish: I only use the default emoticons |
| 02:33.49 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yeah |
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| 02:34.00 | lunaphyte | i wanna be a 'hot-plug cowboy' |
| 02:34.04 | thingfish | Varanger: good, then you're a man amongs men. |
| 02:34.05 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, looks like the same version |
| 02:34.05 | error403_ | does anybody know what port CVS servers run on? |
| 02:34.07 | krassy1809 | how i can use shared resources on microsoft windows based computer in my network ? |
| 02:34.07 | theeil | how do i get sound working? |
| 02:34.08 | thingfish | *amongst |
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| 02:34.22 | Jebediah | theeil: more info plz |
| 02:34.23 | Gnea | lunaphyte: yea, like i said, i wouldn't even try in software :) |
| 02:34.27 | Varanger | thingfish: I am sure that you use all pink emoticons .... :) |
| 02:34.29 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hrm... |
| 02:34.42 | micka | how run X apps in chroot environement ? run jmax say 'Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable" |
| 02:34.43 | thingfish | Varanger: <squeal> How did you guess? |
| 02:34.59 | dna_ | Does anyone by chance know how strong the earth's magnetic field is/? |
| 02:35.03 | krassy1809 | how i can use shared resources on microsoft windows based computer in my network ? |
| 02:35.11 | dondelelcaro | dna_: depends where you're measuring it |
| 02:35.17 | Varanger | dna_: wikipedia.org |
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| 02:35.25 | theeil | Jebediah: it does not work. apps say something like /dev/dsp does not exist |
| 02:35.27 | Gnea | dna_: it can hold an atmosphere that sustains life. |
| 02:35.29 | tengulre | prec: Ten Years ! so long! |
| 02:35.38 | micka | it's possible compile mutt in debian for check my accents :/ |
| 02:35.45 | Jebediah | theeil: are you using ALSA? |
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| 02:36.04 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: did you install anything specific that required a new version? |
| 02:36.09 | sanxiyn | micka: mutt-as-shiped is perfectly capable of showing accented letters. |
| 02:36.10 | theeil | Jebediah: i may want to, but i'm not sure how to set it up |
| 02:36.15 | sanxiyn | micka: It works here. |
| 02:36.28 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, a new version of what? |
| 02:36.34 | Jebediah | theeil: which kernel you got/ |
| 02:36.57 | theeil | Jebediah: 2.4.27 |
| 02:37.04 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: well you did a reinstall on the nvidia-glx, i was wondering what prompted that, other than libGL* libs being out of tune |
| 02:37.23 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, /usr/lib/libGL.so was missing |
| 02:37.27 | Jebediah | theeil: you will probably want to use 2.6.x for ALSA. What does ls -l /dev/dsp* show you |
| 02:37.29 | Gnea | aaaah |
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| 02:38.01 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: since you got it back in place, have you stopped X completely and started it again from scratch? |
| 02:38.01 | krassy1809 | how i can use shared resources on mswindows based computer in my network ? |
| 02:38.03 | lunaphyte | looks like i have other problems. i booted once off of the first drive by itself, and now the 2nd drive is no longer part of the set. |
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| 02:38.24 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, no, watching office space with someone =) |
| 02:38.30 | theeil | Jebediah: there is /dev/dsp0 through to 3 and a link: dsp->dsp0 |
| 02:38.33 | dondelelcaro | dna_: FE, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_%28unit%29 |
| 02:38.34 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hehe cool |
| 02:38.56 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: give that a shot then, i bet it's fixed, it just needs to re-init |
| 02:39.09 | error403_ | does anybody know what port CVS servers run on? |
| 02:39.18 | dna_ | Think tether based propulsion would be wise to use to generate electricity in the magnetic field of the earth? |
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| 02:39.38 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, doesn't libGL for nvidia just talk to the nvidia x driver? |
| 02:39.49 | Gnea | dna_: tether? constructed out of...? |
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| 02:40.13 | Jebediah | theeil: hmmmm. So it exists. Where are you seeing the error reported? |
| 02:40.19 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it talks to whatever references it, but yeah it has a special link to the kernel driver |
| 02:40.32 | sanxiyn | error403_: 2401. |
| 02:40.41 | sanxiyn | error403_: (If it is pserver.) |
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| 02:40.49 | dna_ | that is a good question. What should we contruct the tether out of so that it can with stand the earth's magnetic field. |
| 02:40.53 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, doesn't it go something like libGL <--> nvidia X driver <--> nvidia kernel module |
| 02:41.03 | theeil | Jebediah: Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist. in rhythmbox |
| 02:41.21 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i think so |
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| 02:41.36 | Jebediah | theeil: I am not familair with Rythmbox. Can you get other sounds to play? |
| 02:41.42 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, considering that the nvidia X driver is loaded then, why would it matter that libGL is reinstalled? |
| 02:41.45 | Lifetaker | anyone provide any information on iee1394 support? I am attempting use Kino and it's telling me the subsystem is unavailable, linux1394.org appears to be dead and almost all information I can find points there |
| 02:42.01 | SerajewelKS | !nvidia one liner |
| 02:42.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 02:42.08 | Jebediah | Lifetaker: try archive.org maybe? |
| 02:42.16 | websae | anyone here use PostgreSQL?? |
| 02:42.24 | sanxiyn | websae: Sure. |
| 02:42.33 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, nvidia-settings works fine =/ |
| 02:42.35 | Jebediah | Lifetaker: my guess is it got rolled into the kernel and is supported with that now. |
| 02:42.35 | websae | can i msg you please sanxiyn |
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| 02:42.43 | sanxiyn | websae: No. Do it on channel. |
| 02:43.09 | Lifetaker | Jebediah: well, the kernel shows the card being identified, etc. But I can't get Kino to show it |
| 02:43.21 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: if X starts and it's referencing the mesa gl libs, and if the libs get replaced in the meantime, it's still reading the original file descriptor until the process is terminated |
| 02:43.28 | theeil | Jebediah: well using cat /some/file > /dev/dsp gives the same error |
| 02:43.47 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i didn't think X used libGL.. i thought libGL was used to talk to X? |
| 02:44.07 | Jebediah | Lifetaker: do you think the bus maybe hung? Otherwise it sounds software if kernel is all good. Did you compile as module or monolithic when you put it in the kernel |
| 02:44.10 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: what window manager/desktop environment are you using? |
| 02:44.15 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, KDE |
| 02:44.35 | Jebediah | theeil: but yet it says the device node is there? |
| 02:44.37 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: with some special effects turned on? :) |
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| 02:44.54 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, but glxgears doesn't run as KDE... does it? O_o |
| 02:44.56 | Lifetaker | Jebediah: I can't answer that question, I just installed Debian from a netinst tonight and then added the 2.6.8 kernel (it was not working in the original netinst installation. |
| 02:45.07 | theeil | Jebediah: oh it's there all right, it just may not _do_ anything |
| 02:45.13 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: right, but glxgears is an X app |
| 02:45.34 | Jebediah | Lifetaker: then it seems as though it should be a module... tried reloading the module? |
| 02:45.42 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: and X thinks it's still talking to the old libGL.so |
| 02:45.48 | Jebediah | theeil: hmmm, ja. What sound card do you have? |
| 02:46.00 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i don't think you're following me, but i'll try to restart X |
| 02:46.01 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: X can't inform glxgears of that until X itself has been informed |
| 02:46.07 | Gnea | ok |
| 02:46.16 | Lifetaker | Jebediah: how do I do that? - I am truly a Linux noob... :) |
| 02:46.19 | sanxiyn | SerajewelKS: Yup, restart X. |
| 02:46.25 | sanxiyn | oops, late. |
| 02:46.35 | theeil | Jebediah: it's an intel built in thing |
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| 02:46.53 | Jebediah | Lifetaker: hehe, quite alright. All but a few assholes were noobs at one point too. Do lsmod and see what ieee stuff you have, then sudo rmmod modulename |
| 02:46.57 | anti_skid | Hi, I bought an illuminated keyboard which uses the scroll-lock key to turn the illumination on/off. Works ok under win2k. |
| 02:46.57 | anti_skid | In debian sarge virtual console, the scroll-lock key turns on the illumination (good) , but also locks console (bad). In X, I can change the mapping of the scroll-lock key, but I can't get the illumination to come on. I can't find any info on how to get Xfree86 to support the scroll-lock light. This is my first time on irc, so please excuse any lack of proper form. |
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| 02:47.00 | Jebediah | Lifetaker: then insmod modulename |
| 02:47.12 | Jebediah | theeil: 810? |
| 02:47.22 | Lifetaker | thanks.. be back... assuming my mouse didn't go apeshit when switching the KVM |
| 02:47.30 | theeil | Jebediah: it may be, how do you check? |
| 02:47.41 | Gnea | Lifetaker: as long as it's not a belkin kvm it should be fine |
| 02:47.41 | Jebediah | Lifetaker: I hate that KVM crap with the mouse |
| 02:48.01 | Gnea | only belkin KVMs do that to the mouse in linux |
| 02:48.05 | Lifetaker | Gnea: : hey... gues what... it's a BELKIN POS! (free sometimes isn't worth it I suppose) |
| 02:48.06 | Gnea | zonets are flawless |
| 02:48.11 | Jebediah | theeil: lspci |grep audio |
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| 02:48.26 | Jebediah | Gnea: ja, I wish I had known that 5 years ago. |
| 02:48.27 | Gnea | Lifetaker: hehe, well there ya go - hey how's rochester? i used to live there |
| 02:48.35 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, still chugging away at 200 fps |
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| 02:48.38 | Lifetaker | it's still here... hah.. it's fine really |
| 02:48.42 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: bugger |
| 02:48.43 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i don't think restarting the X server can possibly fix this |
| 02:48.50 | Lifetaker | brb... hopefully I can get this damn 1394 working |
| 02:48.54 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:48.56 | theeil | Jebediah: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 02:49.13 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: now i'm perplexed... |
| 02:49.21 | debian_newbie88 | hello all |
| 02:49.23 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, are you sure that nvidia-glx is for x.org too? the package description says it's for xfree |
| 02:49.30 | theeil | Jebediah: i think it worked last time i had debian installed |
| 02:49.34 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: sec |
| 02:49.42 | Jebediah | theeil: ok, you need a cople modules for that... I think ac_97 something or other for sure... maybe i810. It's been quite a while since I had 2.4.x |
| 02:49.44 | debian_newbie88 | where file config ip address? |
| 02:49.51 | SerajewelKS | !info nvidia-glx testing |
| 02:49.56 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (etch), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 02:50.09 | theeil | Jebediah: would a 2.6 fix that? |
| 02:50.10 | websae | sanxiyn: you still there? |
| 02:50.16 | sanxiyn | websae: Yes. |
| 02:50.16 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: xserver isn't a requirement |
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| 02:50.19 | theeil | Jebediah: or make it eayser? |
| 02:50.26 | Gnea | er |
| 02:50.32 | Gnea | Provides: xserver |
| 02:50.32 | Jebediah | theeil: 2.6 provides it's own problems, but if you can deal with ALSA then it works. Or at least it should. |
| 02:50.40 | Gnea | me and my big typing hands |
| 02:50.51 | websae | sanxiyn: i just ran that python script which uses a PostgreSQL database...I got the following messages |
| 02:50.52 | websae | Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:27:09 INFO:objects:initialising distributed objects services |
| 02:50.52 | websae | Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:27:09 INFO:init:connecting to database |
| 02:50.52 | websae | Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:27:09 ERROR:init:could not connect to database 'terp'! |
| 02:50.52 | websae | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:51.00 | beardy | debian_newbie88: /etc/network/interfaces, man 5 interfaces |
| 02:51.02 | nvz | Gnea: all the better to beat the dork with eh? |
| 02:51.04 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, okay now i'm confused |
| 02:51.08 | Gnea | !tell websae about paste |
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| 02:51.16 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, SDL games seem to be working just fine. just glxgears is having problems. |
| 02:51.16 | websae | my apologies |
| 02:51.19 | sanxiyn | websae: Of course, create some user on PostgreSQL database. |
| 02:51.22 | websae | coppied more than one line accidentally |
| 02:51.34 | websae | sanxiyn: you see my problem? |
| 02:51.38 | theeil | Jebediah: but i will not need a module if i get a 2.6? is that it? |
| 02:51.45 | sanxiyn | websae: user "root" does not exist, log said. |
| 02:51.50 | websae | yep |
| 02:51.54 | websae | so i have to create it? |
| 02:51.54 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, which is making my brain hurt |
| 02:51.56 | sanxiyn | websae: So create one. |
| 02:52.04 | theeil | Jebediah: and does alsa have a mixer? |
| 02:52.06 | websae | what about root on debian itself? |
| 02:52.09 | websae | i thought it was using that |
| 02:52.17 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: that's not good |
| 02:52.40 | sanxiyn | websae: No, it has nothing to do with that. You need to create "database user". |
| 02:52.45 | Jebediah | theeil: you will need modules, just different ones. And alsa does have a mixer, although aumix still works for me. |
| 02:52.45 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i didn't figure it was, but i'm still confused at why this is even happening |
| 02:52.54 | websae | sanxiyn: this is what i am doing...this site http://tinyerp.org/docs/index.php/InstallationManual/SetupAPostgresqlUserAndDatabase.html |
| 02:52.56 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, everything else that uses OpenGL is fine |
| 02:52.56 | sanxiyn | websae: Which is, "CREATE USER <username>" on PostgreSQL. |
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| 02:53.00 | SerajewelKS | just glxgears O_o |
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| 02:53.17 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: did you ls -l /usr/lib/libGL* and make sure *everything* is referencing the nvidia libs? |
| 02:53.24 | nvz | these fucking ants are still all over my desk! I had this damn annoying electronic ant dodad plugged in for like 24 hours. time to break out the mint oil |
| 02:53.33 | websae | do you see the site...i was just following their instructions |
| 02:53.44 | sanxiyn | websae: Eh... well, then ask them? |
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| 02:53.53 | websae | lol no support for that lol |
| 02:53.59 | Gnea | nvz: wtf? it's attack of the ant day! |
| 02:54.06 | websae | so i need to creat a 'root' user? |
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| 02:54.12 | sanxiyn | websae: Of course not. |
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| 02:54.16 | sanxiyn | websae: You followed instruction? |
| 02:54.18 | Gnea | hehe someone was complaining about ants earlier |
| 02:54.22 | nvz | this calcium hypochloride would kill em too, but the mint oil isnt harmful to me as well |
| 02:54.27 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Sep 11 19:28 /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3 -> ../X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1.3 |
| 02:54.33 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Sep 11 20:30 /usr/lib/libGLU.a -> ../X11R6/lib/libGLU.a |
| 02:54.37 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, only two that aren't |
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| 02:54.43 | websae | yes |
| 02:54.46 | sanxiyn | websae: su - postgres (You change to PostgreSQL user) |
| 02:55.00 | websae | i did that as it said on those instructions |
| 02:55.03 | sanxiyn | websae: createuser terp (you create "terp" user, persumably stand for Tiny ERP) |
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| 02:55.13 | sanxiyn | websae: Where did you get an error? |
| 02:55.15 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: and that is correct... what about ldd /usr/bin/X11/glxgears ? |
| 02:55.15 | debian_newbie88 | If I see "inet addr:192.168.202.117 Bcast:192.168.202.255 Mask:255.255.255.0" |
| 02:55.19 | beardy | nvz: You should probably find out where they get in, they will just start another attack when your counterattack wears off otherwise :) |
| 02:55.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, ldd says that glxgears is using libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 02:55.26 | debian_newbie88 | What's is ip-address gateway & dns ? |
| 02:55.27 | websae | when i ran the python script |
| 02:55.34 | By-Tor | Wow. After letting my SID install sit for over a year, with minimal apt-getting for a few aps here and there, a dist-upgrade today went without a single problem. |
| 02:55.34 | Hackel | Does anyone know of a java VNC solution that will allow encrypted (ssh?) sessions/ |
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| 02:55.39 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.53 | debian_newbie88 | Now I use get ip address from DHCP server. |
| 02:55.55 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, mine is 0xb7f5c000 but yeah |
| 02:55.57 | websae | sanxiyn can i msg you briefly for a second? |
| 02:55.57 | By-Tor | Debian Rules |
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| 02:56.06 | sanxiyn | websae: Okay. |
| 02:56.14 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: what's the first lib? |
| 02:56.15 | nvz | beardy: they are getting in all over the place. we have a flat roof, and where it drains the wall is deteriorating, there is a broken window in the furnace room, and there is a gap under the basement door.. among many other possible points of entry in this old house |
| 02:56.23 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) |
| 02:56.24 | beardy | debian_newbie88: Then that is probably what you should continue using. |
| 02:56.28 | Gnea | same. |
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| 02:57.15 | bucky | hotplug loads every controller driver available under ide_core and ignores my blacklist, is there another way of keeping these from loading short of removing them from /lib/2.6*/kernel/drivers ? |
| 02:57.17 | debian_newbie88 | beardy : Umm... I want config ip address to static ip address not use feature dhcp of router. |
| 02:57.21 | beardy | nvz: Dig a ditch around the house and fill it with mint oil? |
| 02:57.24 | Lifetaker | Jebediah: no luck I suppose, when I tried to reload the module ti said it could not find it... sigh.. I need sleep.. I guess this project waits until later. Thanks for the help! |
| 02:57.31 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, so wtf is going on. it's like glxgears is the only thing that complains. |
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| 02:57.33 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: is the glx module being loaded in the xorg.conf? |
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| 02:57.44 | pat_ | Yo, I have a /dev related question... |
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| 02:57.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yes |
| 02:57.55 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: what other gl-based apps do you run? |
| 02:57.58 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, how can i check to see if it did load? |
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| 02:58.02 | debian_newbie88 | beardy : but I don't know I find dns server or gateway ipaddress . |
| 02:58.03 | Jebediah | Lifetaker: no prob. Try depmod -ae to make sure it's all up to date. I got ICQ and YIM and AIM and Gtalk if you wish to seek me out further. |
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| 02:58.06 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, the other things i've tried are SDL things |
| 02:58.12 | SerajewelKS | bzflag, nwn, etc |
| 02:58.15 | coywolf | what is UNIX98 PTYS? |
| 02:58.18 | coywolf | !unix98 |
| 02:58.25 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: do you use xmms? |
| 02:58.27 | nvz | beardy: I hear they wont go near chalk either.. but that shit blows away and I dont know that it kills em, they just apperently dont like it as it gets all over em. the mint oil dispatches them straight |
| 02:58.30 | Varanger | !unix98 |
| 02:58.37 | Lifetaker | thanks for the offer.... I'll see what happens.. |
| 02:58.39 | pat_ | Anyone here using the PPC port? |
| 02:58.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, it's not running right now, but otherwise yeah |
| 02:58.43 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:58.45 | dondelelcaro | pat_: yes... |
| 02:58.46 | bucky | debian_newbie88, edit /etc/network/interfaces according to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 02:58.48 | coywolf | dpkg, unix98 |
| 02:59.00 | Shockcore | hello can somebody help me with this ? http://pastebin.com/370539 i does that with aptitude, dselect, taskselect ,etc etc |
| 02:59.08 | bucky | debian_newbie88, and make sure you use an address that's not reserved by your router for dhcp |
| 02:59.19 | nvz | dondelelcaro: no... we dont get dumb questions here ... ... just dumb people. |
| 02:59.22 | beardy | coywolf: Varanger: You can /msg dpkg. |
| 02:59.24 | pat_ | I have a question. How do I make my USB mouse work when It's connected to my keyboard? |
| 02:59.25 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: have you ever used the opengl spectrum analyzer visual plugin? |
| 02:59.43 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yeah.. right now i'm using goom. it works fine. faster actually, since i've upgraded to xorg. |
| 02:59.43 | bucky | debian_newbie88, also your isp's website will tell you what your dns servers are |
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| 02:59.53 | Gnea | goom? |
| 02:59.57 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: can you run tar and ar on that machine? |
| 03:00.01 | debian_newbie88 | ok |
| 03:00.04 | nvz | goom is a visualization plugin IIRC |
| 03:00.04 | Jebediah | later f13nds |
| 03:00.13 | beardy | pat_: It's probably connected through some "active" usb thing, what happens when you plug it in? |
| 03:00.19 | pat_ | I mean, make the USB mouse wok when it's just bash? |
| 03:00.22 | Shockcore | yes |
| 03:00.31 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: and it really is Debian? |
| 03:00.35 | Shockcore | yes |
| 03:00.42 | nvz | pat_: you mean how do you get console mouse services? |
| 03:00.42 | beardy | !info gpm sarge |
| 03:00.47 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, the spectrum analyzer seems to work fine.. am i looking for a certain speed? |
| 03:00.48 | dpkg | gpm: (General Purpose Mouse Interface), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.19.6-19sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 200 kB, Installed size: 484 kB |
| 03:00.50 | beardy | pat_: ^^ |
| 03:01.02 | pat_ | Thanks. New to this distro... |
| 03:01.05 | nvz | not that bash has anything to do with the console. it can be ran in X, or ssh or anything |
| 03:01.11 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it should just spin around really really fast and not miss a beat |
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| 03:01.22 | Gnea | i've never heard of it till now |
| 03:01.36 | pat_ | I'll see if this works... |
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| 03:02.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, it's not spinning fast, but the bars are moving fast. every few hundred (?) frames it skips a bit, probably because i've got a CPU-hogging equalizer pluging running. and x-chat steals quite a bit of cpu whenever anyone says anything. |
| 03:02.09 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: like, 1 rotation per second |
| 03:02.17 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: make a backup of /lib/libstdc++.so.6; download (using wget) and install (using dpkg -i) busybox-static; then download libstdc++6 from packages.debian.org using wget and dpkg -i the resultant deb. |
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| 03:02.31 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, no, more like 6 seconds |
| 03:02.41 | Gnea | hrm |
| 03:02.43 | Gnea | ok that's bad |
| 03:02.48 | Gnea | oh wow |
| 03:02.51 | Gnea | goom rocks |
| 03:03.04 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, when it's not the active window it spins like hell |
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| 03:03.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, sometimes |
| 03:03.25 | Shockcore | ok what does busybox-static ? |
| 03:03.36 | bucky | hotplug loads every controller driver available under ide_core and ignores my blacklist, is there another way of keeping these from loading short of removing them from /lib/2.6*/kernel/drivers ? |
| 03:03.37 | SimonRaven | stuff |
| 03:03.40 | magyar | is there a way to "ps ax|grep <process>" and show <process> pid# only? |
| 03:03.43 | nvz | Shockcore: care to rephrase or complete that question? |
| 03:03.55 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, when i start playing it slows |
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| 03:04.10 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, it's probably faster when it's not active because another window is overlapping |
| 03:04.13 | Shockcore | ok what does busybox-static do? sorry :P |
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| 03:04.29 | nvz | Shockcore: my guess would be the same as busybox only statically |
| 03:04.46 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: just for shits 'n giggles, what proc/mem are you running? |
| 03:04.51 | beardy | Shockcore: Same thing as busybox I suppose, but compiled static, so it can be run in places where libraries are broken or not available. |
| 03:04.52 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, according to the xorg log, glx is loaded |
| 03:05.02 | Gnea | sounds right |
| 03:05.08 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, amd athlon xp 2500+, 512mb somethingorother-ram |
| 03:05.22 | Shockcore | ok |
| 03:05.23 | Shockcore | cool |
| 03:05.28 | Shockcore | thanks |
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| 03:05.53 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i almost wanna blame kde, but i know that isn't the answer... |
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| 03:06.09 | rking | somebody hit me with a question, i'm feeling hot! |
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| 03:06.16 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, no, it's not KDE =) |
| 03:06.26 | bucky | rking: hotplug loads every controller driver available under ide_core and ignores my blacklist, is there another way of keeping these from loading short of removing them from /lib/2.6*/kernel/drivers ? |
| 03:06.35 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: do you start X with startx or with a DM? |
| 03:06.39 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, kdm |
| 03:06.44 | beardy | rking: How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? |
| 03:06.51 | rking | beardy: seven |
| 03:07.01 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: when you logged out of kde, did you literally do a ctrl-alt-backspace to kdm? |
| 03:07.07 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yes |
| 03:07.08 | beardy | rking: Why? |
| 03:07.12 | Gnea | .... |
| 03:07.27 | rking | bucky: hrmm... so is it replicable? like you can sit there and rmmod something, then plug something in, and darnit, it always comes back? |
| 03:07.46 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, if i do an 'xinit -- :1' and run glx gears, same framerate |
| 03:08.04 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: what kernel? |
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| 03:08.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 03:08.30 | websae | how do i edit a user's password in debian? |
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| 03:08.38 | beardy | websae: man passwd |
| 03:08.46 | darkness2 | passwd user ***** |
| 03:08.52 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, and yes, nvidia and nvidia_agp are loaded |
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| 03:09.02 | rking | darkness2: that's probably bad - it shows up in 'ps', and in your history |
| 03:09.03 | dirty|ce7 | <> :) <> |
| 03:09.18 | SerajewelKS | dirty|ce7, what the fuck... |
| 03:09.21 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hrm, that's stock.. dunno why but everytime i fine-tune a kernel, a system runs much faster and efficiently then |
| 03:09.28 | darkness2 | Bash history rking? |
| 03:09.42 | Gnea | darkness2: that's just plain wrong. |
| 03:09.43 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, we're trying to get glx to run efficiently, not my whole system ;) |
| 03:09.48 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.50 | rking | darkness2: right - which is probably permissioned right, but it's still weird to have users' passwords lying around on the filesystem. |
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| 03:09.52 | bucky | rking, it won't let me rmmod any of them, |
| 03:09.58 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, glxinfo says that direct rendering is on |
| 03:10.01 | rking | bucky: why not? |
| 03:10.04 | beardy | darkness2: 'less ~/.bash_history' |
| 03:10.10 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, so for some reason, libGL just isn't talking to the x glx module, or something |
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| 03:10.23 | bucky | rking, they're all labeled permanent |
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| 03:10.33 | darkness2 | rking: Whats the best way? |
| 03:10.49 | SerajewelKS | anyone else having problems with glx on geforce with nvidia-glx and xorg on etch? |
| 03:10.52 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: well when it comes to linux in a desktop environment, having an efficient underlying system is truely key to how the rest of the system runs |
| 03:10.56 | websae | everytime i try to change the password says unknown user |
| 03:10.57 | rking | darkness2: just plain old "passwd username" then let it prompt you for the pw |
| 03:10.59 | beardy | darkness2: As the user, 'passwd', as root, 'passwd username' |
| 03:11.10 | bucky | rking, i'll just mv the directory and leave the one i need |
| 03:11.27 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, an inefficient system wouldn't cause glx framerates to plummet |
| 03:11.30 | websae | beardy: i tried that and said "unkown user terp" |
| 03:11.31 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: you can only 'fake it' for so long, but that still dosn't sound right, since it was working fine earlier you said |
| 03:11.37 | rking | bucky: that sounds fine - but it is a riddle, for sure - i never noticed the [permanent]'s before, actually |
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| 03:11.43 | beardy | websae: Then the user doesn't exist. |
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| 03:11.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i was getting well over 2k fps with glxgears on xfree |
| 03:11.54 | darkness2 | rking,beardy, thats actually what i meant but mabe i will not be believed. |
| 03:12.02 | websae | but when i try to create user |
| 03:12.05 | websae | says user already exists |
| 03:12.07 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: but it dropped to xorg? |
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| 03:12.29 | beardy | darkness2: That's not what you said though, but ok. |
| 03:12.35 | bucky | rking, it's 2.6.12-1-k7 in testing with udev.. so no telling |
| 03:12.45 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, nearest i can figure. i hadn't run glxgears in a long time. btw i have xlibmesa-dri and libglu1-xorg installed, if that makes a difference. |
| 03:12.54 | rking | darkness2: i wondered - just a second ago i checked the manpage - and you can't even say "passwd usernm p4ssw0rd" |
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| 03:12.59 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: HRM |
| 03:13.01 | darkness2 | beardy: Yeah, i should choose my words more carefully. |
| 03:13.20 | websae | beardy: is there a list of users i can check to see if the user i created is there |
| 03:13.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i'm almost on the verge of doing a netinstall from the cd |
| 03:13.26 | websae | i know i created the user terp |
| 03:13.35 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i first installed woody, dist-upgraded to testing |
| 03:13.35 | beardy | websae: grep /etc/passwd username |
| 03:13.44 | websae | but when i do passwd terp says unkown user terp |
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| 03:13.49 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, sarge does so much crap that my etch box doesn't do |
| 03:14.04 | Gnea | xlibmesa-dri - Mesa 3D graphics library modules [X.Org] |
| 03:14.09 | Gnea | xlibmesa-gl - Mesa 3D graphics library [X.Org] |
| 03:14.20 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: is -gl installed? |
| 03:14.38 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yes |
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| 03:14.48 | ilpavox | what is drm listed under in xconfig? it is crashing my compile |
| 03:14.50 | beardy | websae: grep username /etc/passwd I mean of course.. |
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| 03:14.59 | sagarp | does anyone here use daapd |
| 03:15.23 | bucky | SerajewelKS, did you compile your nvidia driver against the xorg drivers and make sure nvidia's glx is getting loaded and not xorg's dri and glcore ? |
| 03:15.48 | SerajewelKS | bucky, whoa, slow down |
| 03:16.01 | SerajewelKS | bucky, yes, i had to recompile the nvidia kernel model.. x.org didn't like the xfree one |
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| 03:16.10 | SerajewelKS | i think |
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| 03:16.39 | darkness2 | Is there an easy script to send all of your .bash_history to /dev/null ? |
| 03:16.56 | SerajewelKS | bucky, let's skip the kernel module for now. the nvidia x.org driver seems to be playing nice with it. |
| 03:16.58 | xerophyte | cp: cannot stat `filename ': Input/output error is this means disk is gone bad ??? |
| 03:17.00 | beardy | darkness2: Delete it and make a symlink. |
| 03:17.09 | beardy | darkness2: man ln |
| 03:17.17 | SerajewelKS | bucky, how do i check if x.org's DRI is getting loaded? |
| 03:17.20 | darkness2 | Tks beardy. |
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| 03:17.51 | themusicgod1 | Is there a way to assemble TASM code somehow? |
| 03:17.58 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: should have a Load "dri" in xorg.conf |
| 03:18.05 | beardy | themusicgod1: install tasm |
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| 03:18.16 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, it's #'d out |
| 03:18.19 | sagarp | how do i find out who's connected to my daapd server |
| 03:18.26 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ah HA! |
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| 03:18.27 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, someone told me x.org + nvidia + dri = very bad |
| 03:18.31 | themusicgod1 | beardy: E: Couldn't find package tasm |
| 03:18.39 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: works just fine on several systems here |
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| 03:18.42 | nvz | i hate the smell of that damn shit.. but I am sure the ants hate it more |
| 03:18.42 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, should that someone be hanged by their toenails? |
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| 03:19.00 | beardy | themusicgod1: Oh, perhaps nasm can handle it? |
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| 03:19.07 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: rofl, naw, just clip 'em and bake 'em into their next meal |
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| 03:19.12 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:19.20 | bucky | SerajewelKS, somewhere in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 03:19.26 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, arg |
| 03:19.35 | themusicgod1 | beardy: nasm can handle intel-style asm, which tasm is included in...but tasm in specific it seems to choke on |
| 03:19.36 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, removed the #, ran xinit... still < 200 fps |
| 03:19.37 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: is there a DRI section at the bottom of the file too? |
| 03:19.54 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yeah, mode 0666 |
| 03:19.56 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: check Xorg.1.log |
| 03:20.00 | beardy | themusicgod1: Tried googling? |
| 03:20.14 | Shockcore | dondelelcaro |
| 03:20.20 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: ? |
| 03:20.28 | Shockcore | i installed busybox static and then the lib but i already had the lib before |
| 03:20.47 | Gnea | nvz: just boil water |
| 03:20.48 | Shockcore | what do i need to do after |
| 03:20.48 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: you had the lib but it was some other freaky version |
| 03:20.53 | Gnea | nvz: and get a mop |
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| 03:21.18 | themusicgod1 | beardy: yes :( |
| 03:21.23 | nvz | Gnea: the mint oil works fine.. I just want to be able to see wtf they are doing.. looks like they are going into spasms and shit |
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| 03:21.25 | Gnea | nvz: walgreens - for under $10 you can get a can of raid and ant traps |
| 03:21.25 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: once you've installed the lib, aptitude and apt-get and friends should be able to work |
| 03:21.30 | beardy | themusicgod1: Is this tasm code supposed to work on linux, or are you crossassembling? |
| 03:21.34 | Shockcore | but i still have same message |
| 03:21.38 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, okay, what am i looking for |
| 03:21.41 | Gnea | nvz: yes, that's typically what happens when they die |
| 03:21.42 | nvz | Gnea: ant traps dont work, and raid is poison |
| 03:21.44 | themusicgod1 | cross..assembling? |
| 03:21.57 | Gnea | nvz: actually, they do work |
| 03:21.59 | beardy | themusicgod1: Yes, for dos or windows or other? |
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| 03:22.04 | themusicgod1 | dos? |
| 03:22.04 | nvz | Gnea: we got smart ants here.. they arent checking into poison houses |
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| 03:22.09 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: anything dri-related |
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| 03:22.36 | Gnea | nvz: no ant has ever escaped the wrath of freshly boiled water. |
| 03:22.37 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: uh, did you install the right libstdc++6 version? dpkg -l apt libstdc++6; and tell me the versions reported |
| 03:22.46 | nvz | I want to see up close what my biological warfare is doing to em.. heh |
| 03:22.53 | Gnea | lol |
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| 03:23.05 | Shockcore | ii apt 0.6.41 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 03:23.05 | Shockcore | ii libstdc++6 4.0.1-8 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 |
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| 03:23.15 | Shockcore | oups :P |
| 03:23.24 | beardy | themusicgod1: What are you going to assemble? |
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| 03:23.42 | nvz | my 4 pcs here dont like freshly boiled water, but they dont mind the mint oil as long as its just lightly wiped on them with a cloth |
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| 03:24.01 | themusicgod1 | beardy: I'm taking an assembly course...but it just so happens that the stuff is all in tasm/masm. I don't think it's windows or even dos-specific, but just really basic assembly. |
| 03:24.06 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" |
| 03:24.07 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, dri looks fine, but the nvidia driver is complaining that i'm not using a "standard" resolution (i'm on dualhead) |
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| 03:24.24 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i get one warning about dri: Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
| 03:24.30 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, otherwise it's all (II) |
| 03:24.34 | beardy | themusicgod1: It probably is dos/windows specific. |
| 03:24.35 | themusicgod1 | and I don't particularily like the idea of having to use microsoft's assembler for my assignments |
| 03:24.43 | nvz | I cant stand the mint smell myself.. but its harmless to me and quite effective as a neurotoxin to them |
| 03:24.43 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: oooo |
| 03:24.44 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, and (WW) while nvidia complains about my resolution |
| 03:25.06 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, maybe i should pastebin? |
| 03:25.12 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a |
| 03:25.21 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 03:25.21 | Shockcore | dondelelcaro apt=0.6.41 libstdc++6=4.0.1-8 |
| 03:25.24 | beardy | themusicgod1: Try dosemu or dosbox, or perhaps wine (but I doubt that will work), and run tasm/masm in there. |
| 03:26.02 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, xserver-xorg: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a |
| 03:26.24 | themusicgod1 | i could do that...but that's still running masm. that's the part that I'm attempting to avoid |
| 03:26.27 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: yeah; checking on something here |
| 03:26.39 | themusicgod1 | it'd be like running ie on wine to connect to the www (i've seen it done) |
| 03:26.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, http://pastebin.ca/23578 |
| 03:26.58 | Shockcore | ok |
| 03:27.07 | beardy | themusicgod1: Fix the code to assemble in tasm then. |
| 03:27.20 | nvz | the clicking sound the ultrasonic repeller makes annoys the shit out of me too, I am about to smash it to pieces cause it doesnt seem effective at anything but annoying me. |
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| 03:27.35 | Shockcore | ok :P |
| 03:27.39 | SerajewelKS | grilled cheese rocks |
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| 03:27.59 | nvz | SerajewelKS: no, grilled cheese melts |
| 03:28.09 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: oh, you shouldn't have a /lib/libstdc++6 there at all; that's totally not part of debian. |
| 03:28.11 | themusicgod1 | hrm tasm might be an option |
| 03:28.12 | nvz | then I guess forms a rock-like substance |
| 03:28.18 | SerajewelKS | nvz, yeah that too |
| 03:28.23 | beardy | themusicgod1: nasm, I meant though.. |
| 03:28.26 | SerajewelKS | nvz, it's been sitting out long enough that it rocks |
| 03:28.31 | nvz | which is hard to get off the grill afterward |
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| 03:28.44 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: lspci | grep VGA <-- does that return an unknown? |
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| 03:28.53 | Maneit | Hi. I've installed mplayer (from marillat), but I can't seem to find the mplayer fonts anywhere. Doesn anyone know how to get them? |
| 03:29.00 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: remove it, and any other /lib/libstdc++* detrius and things should work. |
| 03:29.07 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, 0000:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1) |
| 03:29.14 | gfds | hello,quick question.How do I make kde the default window manager instead of gnome? |
| 03:29.15 | Shockcore | haha ok |
| 03:29.19 | themusicgod1 | the problem then is that if it assembles in nasm and it needs to be fixed to do so it isn't code that is capable of being handed in and assembled on masm |
| 03:29.22 | nvz | grilled cheese is like the welfare cheese burger. for when you only have gov't cheese and wonder bread |
| 03:29.26 | Guerin | Maneit: apt-cache search mplayer fonts |
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| 03:29.34 | SerajewelKS | gfds, purge gnome? :> |
| 03:29.37 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: got the same thing in my workstation |
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| 03:29.44 | Gnea | hrm |
| 03:29.52 | gfds | i really dont know |
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| 03:29.58 | beardy | themusicgod1: Talk with your teacher? |
| 03:30.02 | Maneit | Guerin: Returns nothing.. |
| 03:30.28 | Shockcore | dondelelcaro i have libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 libstdc++5 libstdc++6 libstdc++6-4.0-dev libstdc++6-dev |
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| 03:30.32 | croddy | is there a mirror of security.d.o ? |
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| 03:30.53 | themusicgod1 | beardy: done :\ he has to go by the textbook and he thinks the textbook sucks. Obviously he's getting under-the-table cash that profs here are oh so known for |
| 03:30.54 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yup, that's the same card - PNY? |
| 03:30.58 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: you shouldn't have any of that in /lib/; it should all be in /usr/lib |
| 03:31.10 | Shockcore | ok |
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| 03:31.35 | themusicgod1 | beardy: the only option I can see (other than free pascal(??), seems to me to be writing a masm assembler :\ |
| 03:31.46 | Guerin | Maneit: weird, you're right. but aptitude search brings it up |
| 03:31.50 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, pny? |
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| 03:31.59 | TwistedEmotions | Need help installing a driver for apple mousepad for PowerBook ;( Found a module that is suppose to word... used bz2 and untar or whatever.. but only thing under documentation it sais is to 'compile the driver and load the module. |
| 03:32.05 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: did you buy the card separately or did it arrive with the system? |
| 03:32.07 | themusicgod1 | unless borland has something mabye |
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| 03:32.13 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 03:32.19 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: sorry, totally off-question :) |
| 03:32.22 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, bought it separately |
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| 03:32.33 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, well... i bought it in the same order as my mobo, but i hand-picked the parts |
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| 03:32.47 | TwistedEmotions | I dont know how to compile and load... anyone wana help me.. I am inside the directory and dont know what to do to 'compile and load' the module |
| 03:32.53 | jim | themusicgod1: or rewriting the source? |
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| 03:33.07 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: very nice. i'm asking what company made it :) |
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| 03:33.17 | Shockcore | dondelelcaro they are not in lib but in dpkg -l ... |
| 03:33.18 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: man make-kpkg, look for PATCH_THE_KERNEL |
| 03:33.23 | TwistedEmotions | I have a 'Makefile' in here... which I know has something to do with it.. but dont remember what |
| 03:33.31 | gfds | type make |
| 03:33.41 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, well.. nvidia, i guess? |
| 03:33.45 | tengulre | I want to create a company myself! anybody give me some mind and which kind ?thanks |
| 03:33.50 | jim | or, look into what is a makefile :) |
| 03:33.50 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: I'm talking about /lib/libstdc++6; you shouldn't have that at all. It's not part of debian. |
| 03:33.54 | Maneit | Guerin: not here :> |
| 03:33.59 | dondelelcaro | s/6/.so.6/ |
| 03:34.05 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hehe, nvidia makes the GPU, but another company slaps the GPU onto a circuit board and then sells it |
| 03:34.06 | Shockcore | ok |
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| 03:34.29 | Guerin | Maneit: there is a package with mplayer fonts in it on marillat. If you think really hard you might be able to figure out the name. |
| 03:34.30 | beardy | themusicgod1: Work on nasm and make it able to assemble masm-code, that will benefit most, and probably be easier than starting from scratch. |
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| 03:34.54 | jim | tengulre: make sure you become financially literate |
| 03:35.01 | Maneit | Guerin: it used to be mplayer-fonts, but I can't find it anymore |
| 03:35.09 | Guerin | Maneit: hrm, I can. |
| 03:35.16 | themusicgod1 | jim: rewriting the source isn't going to work since it has to assemble both on linux (student) side and marker (windows/masm) side |
| 03:35.17 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i dunno.. on the box it says nvidia geforce fx5500 |
| 03:35.29 | TwistedEmotions | gfds: Error 2 |
| 03:35.35 | themusicgod1 | beardy: that's an idea |
| 03:35.38 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:35.41 | Shockcore | dondelelcaro check http://pastebin.com/370617 |
| 03:35.42 | Guerin | Maneit: no, wait ... it shows in aptitude search, but not in apt-* |
| 03:35.45 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ok, i get the same errors as well, and yet it still works |
| 03:35.46 | Guerin | freakshow |
| 03:35.47 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, the board is purple and has a little fan =) |
| 03:35.49 | jim | isn't there nasm on win side? |
| 03:35.55 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: rofl :) |
| 03:35.56 | themusicgod1 | I have this sneaking suspicion that if I start using masm I won't be able to reverse engineer it legally |
| 03:35.58 | Maneit | Guerin: What's the line you've got in sources.lst? |
| 03:36.03 | KD6PAG | tengulre: And either know something about accounting or know somemone who does. |
| 03:36.10 | Maneit | Guerin: perhaps it's from an old cache? |
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| 03:36.27 | beardy | themusicgod1: I'm sure the nasm developers and users would be more than happy if you'd do that. |
| 03:36.30 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: no. NOT libstdc++ THE PACKAGE. /lib/libstdc++.so.6 *THE FILE*. |
| 03:36.31 | gfds | hello,quick question.How do I make kde the default window manager instead of gnome? |
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| 03:36.44 | Shockcore | oh |
| 03:36.47 | Shockcore | lol |
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| 03:37.01 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ok, well try restarting X from the get-go like it is, allow the error from libdri.a to persist and see what happens |
| 03:37.04 | mikeX | gfds, depends on your display manager |
| 03:37.16 | gfds | how do I do it from a shell? |
| 03:37.35 | mikeX | gfds, how do you start kde/gnome? |
| 03:37.43 | gfds | i cant so far |
| 03:37.58 | mikeX | gfds, what seems to be the problem? |
| 03:38.00 | Guerin | Maneit: must be. I have deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 03:38.07 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yeah... um, xinit doesn't work with glxgears, why would kdm like it any better |
| 03:38.19 | gfds | I removed most of the gonme stuff |
| 03:38.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, e.g. what is better about :0 for testing this |
| 03:38.25 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i'm getting ~1340 fps with it like that - but then i run at 1280x1024 and my monitor could be upgraded(it's just a dell e770 |
| 03:38.27 | cheal | !kwm |
| 03:38.27 | dpkg | KDE is not a window manager! kwin is one. |
| 03:38.33 | KD6PAG | Q: Anyone have any sample code that would allow me to do a POST operation with a file? (PERL preferred) |
| 03:38.38 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, are you on dualhead? |
| 03:38.38 | Maneit | Guerin: same as me.. I think it's gone :> |
| 03:38.44 | gfds | whatever its called |
| 03:39.11 | mikeX | gfds, try to elaborate on your problem |
| 03:39.12 | Guerin | Maneit: oh well. You can configure other fonts. |
| 03:39.21 | Guerin | confiugure IT TO USE other fonts |
| 03:39.27 | gfds | I want kde to be the default instead of gnome |
| 03:39.30 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: not currently |
| 03:39.36 | Maneit | Guerin: care to let me know how? :> |
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| 03:39.43 | Gnea | gonna be awhile before i am |
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| 03:39.55 | Gnea | i still gotta score some flatscreens |
| 03:39.58 | Guerin | Maneit: in mplayer config? I can't remember ottomh |
| 03:40.03 | tengulre | KD6PAG: thank your reply! I want create a small company ,about 3 people! and my products are embedded! |
| 03:40.11 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, considering that neverwinter nights performs well in full-screen, maybe nvidia-glx just doesn't accelerate when both monitors are displaying? |
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| 03:40.23 | mikeX | gfds, you just said you can't start an Xsession, which is it |
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| 03:40.46 | Shockcore | GOOD! |
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| 03:40.50 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i had quake3 split onto both screens at one point, with dri enabled (and with the errors) and it ran at full fps |
| 03:40.54 | Shockcore | your so elite! |
| 03:41.01 | gfds | I cant start the xsession because I removed all the gonome stuff(and gnome was set to the default |
| 03:41.01 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: under e17 |
| 03:41.13 | Guerin | !your |
| 03:41.13 | dpkg | [your] the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 03:41.14 | KD6PAG | tengulre: That's what's stopped me from doing consulting, etc. (albeit now my partner does Quickbooks part-time, so i no longer have that excuse...) |
| 03:41.23 | Shockcore | dondelelcaro |
| 03:41.24 | Shockcore | nice |
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| 03:41.35 | mikeX | gfds, so you are running some sort of display manager? |
| 03:41.37 | Guerin | gfds: echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xsession && startx |
| 03:41.41 | Maneit | Guerin: Thanks :) |
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| 03:41.46 | gfds | sweet |
| 03:41.50 | Shockcore | dondelelcaro should i delete the 5 and 2.2 too? libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3.old libstdc++.so.5.0.7 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so.5.old |
| 03:41.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, any packages that could be reinstalled to fix this? =/ |
| 03:41.52 | gfds | thanks |
| 03:41.53 | Shockcore | or only 6 |
| 03:42.01 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i mean, if xinit isn't showing any other errors, it should be fine to restart :0 |
| 03:42.03 | mikeX | gfds, to have a default desktop environment you should have a display manager, such as xdm, gdm, or kdm |
| 03:42.05 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, and do you get the glxgetscreens warning? |
| 03:42.19 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yeah but i'm talking with someone in another channel =/ |
| 03:42.20 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yeah, that's the error i was referring to |
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| 03:42.32 | Guerin | mikeX: in my experience, that's the best way to BREAK having a default environment. |
| 03:42.34 | SerajewelKS | well i guess i can ask them to hold |
| 03:42.43 | mikeX | gfds, eitherwise you just start X from the console by typing startx or something similar |
| 03:42.53 | mikeX | Guerin, yes that could also apply :D |
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| 03:43.18 | mikeX | Guerin, I'm assuming that's what gfds has 'experience' with |
| 03:43.26 | Guerin | fair |
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| 03:44.19 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, didn't work |
| 03:44.29 | Gnea | meh |
| 03:44.41 | mikeX | so gfds if by 'uninstalled all the gnome stuff' you mean you uninstalled gdm, then try either installing it again, or give kdm a try... |
| 03:44.43 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i'm lost at this point then |
| 03:44.54 | tengulre | bye! It's time of lunch!1 |
| 03:45.04 | mikeX | gfds, once one of those is installed, type as root: /etc/init.d/kdm start (or gdm) |
| 03:45.08 | Gnea | s'alright, i've been lost for a long time |
| 03:45.10 | Gnea | :P |
| 03:45.16 | dondelelcaro | Shockcore: if they're in /lib, yes. They should only exist in /usr/lib |
| 03:45.16 | Gnea | but glx... |
| 03:45.26 | Gnea | ahhahaha |
| 03:46.22 | mikeX | gfds, did get all that? |
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| 03:47.27 | Gnea | wait... |
| 03:47.30 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: |
| 03:47.32 | Gnea | # |
| 03:47.32 | Gnea | (WW) NVIDIA(0): 3 display devices connected, but only 2 supported; |
| 03:47.32 | Gnea | # |
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| 03:47.34 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, |
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| 03:47.37 | Gnea | uh |
| 03:47.45 | Shockcore | ok my last question how to reconfigure the source.list using the window? |
| 03:47.48 | SerajewelKS | tsk tsk tsk |
| 03:48.22 | Gnea | (WW) NVIDIA(0): 3 display devices connected, but only 2 supported; |
| 03:48.28 | Gnea | ok |
| 03:48.42 | Gnea | i don't know, if that is having an impact - that's the s-video? |
| 03:48.52 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, probably |
| 03:48.57 | sineer | Is it possible to disconnect a dchroot session from my network |
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| 03:49.04 | Gnea | mine isn't plugged in |
| 03:49.11 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i have vga, dri, and s-video |
| 03:49.19 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 03:49.20 | SerajewelKS | dvi |
| 03:49.27 | SerajewelKS | vga and dri are being used, s-video is not |
| 03:49.30 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ah, mine is dual-vga |
| 03:49.36 | Gnea | no dvi on this one |
| 03:49.46 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yeah i bought a dvi-to-vga adapter :| |
| 03:49.54 | Gnea | nice |
| 03:49.54 | jim | Shockcore: it's much better to understand what lines in sources.list represent, and be able to form them yourself after looking at a debian mirror site or package site |
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| 03:50.29 | Shockcore | i know that i can do them but my friend wants to know how to get the window in his face :P |
| 03:50.35 | jim | other than that, some mirrors/package sites will just give you the line |
| 03:51.03 | jim | I dunno if there is a windowy tool for that |
| 03:51.09 | Shockcore | something like |
| 03:51.15 | Shockcore | dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 03:51.22 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: is 2.6.12 in etch yet? |
| 03:51.31 | jim | ohh, maybe you want apt-setup |
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| 03:51.37 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yes |
| 03:51.41 | Shockcore | yes |
| 03:51.49 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: could try that *shrug* |
| 03:51.53 | Shockcore | good |
| 03:51.54 | Shockcore | thanks |
| 03:52.20 | jim | it's still better to understand the file :P but, you're welcome. |
| 03:52.24 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, lol yeah.. that'll help =P |
| 03:52.57 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it might - i noticed many issues fixed from 2.6.11->2.6.12 :) |
| 03:53.32 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, rebuilding the kernel module just for shucks and grins |
| 03:53.48 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: sounds better |
| 03:54.44 | SimonRaven | giggles and shits and grins, oh my! |
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| 03:56.16 | SerajewelKS | AUAAAUAUGHUGHUGAUHUGH |
| 03:56.20 | SerajewelKS | okay i feel a bit better now |
| 03:56.48 | SimonRaven | wasn't *that* bad ;p |
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| 03:57.39 | SerajewelKS | hell it is... |
| 03:57.46 | SerajewelKS | and it's still not working |
| 03:57.51 | Gnea | :/ |
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| 03:58.42 | SimonRaven | :/ |
| 03:59.12 | SerajewelKS | :\ |
| 03:59.22 | SerajewelKS | four eyes! |
| 04:00.03 | yafuka | hi |
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| 04:00.38 | SimonRaven | tansi |
| 04:00.46 | yafuka | i looking for help to install wxgtk2.6 on my debian box. |
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| 04:01.31 | SimonRaven | sarge? get a backport. etch or sid? apt-cache search wxgtk |
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| 04:02.35 | albo | isnt there a pdf2a ? |
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| 04:02.53 | Gnea | albo: a? |
| 04:02.55 | SimonRaven | SerajewelKS: what's the problem, anyway? is it still your nvidia card, i seem to remember something about that not too long ago here, today |
| 04:03.00 | Gnea | albo: pdf2ps, yes |
| 04:03.11 | SimonRaven | pdf2txt too IIRC |
| 04:03.16 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven, glxgears is getting a 115 framerate, even though all the libs check out |
| 04:03.16 | jim | yafuka: you looking to use the toolkit to build a user interface? |
| 04:03.19 | SimonRaven | or ps2txt, or similar |
| 04:03.39 | yafuka | essentially, i'm trying to run wxphp. |
| 04:03.44 | SimonRaven | SerajewelKS: glxgears is more for play than actual 'benchmarking' |
| 04:03.48 | yafuka | so i need to install wxgtk |
| 04:03.49 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven, nvidia kernel module installed, x.org is using the right driver, loading glx and dri |
| 04:03.59 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven, i think you'll admit that 115 fps sucks for acceleration |
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| 04:04.22 | SimonRaven | faster than what i have here ;) |
| 04:04.40 | SimonRaven | unless you're playing 3-d games there, i don't see a problem |
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| 04:05.04 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven, yeah i am |
| 04:05.05 | jim | well... if that version isn't available for your version of debian (officially that is), you could find a back port, or you could build it (and therefore maintain!) yourself |
| 04:05.09 | Gnea | SimonRaven: i have the same card and nearly identical system specs, 115fps from glxgears is *SLOW* |
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| 04:05.27 | SimonRaven | so there's a hangup somewhere else |
| 04:05.40 | yafuka | what is back port ? |
| 04:05.46 | Gnea | right |
| 04:05.46 | SimonRaven | are the boards the same? cpu? memory? |
| 04:05.46 | SerajewelKS | !backport |
| 04:05.47 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 04:05.55 | SerajewelKS | yafuka, ^^ |
| 04:06.21 | reuq | how would i make it that i could get something like chmod -R 700 dir/ that only effects the directories inside and chmod -R 600 dir/ that only effects the files inside? |
| 04:06.30 | SimonRaven | sounds like you have a fair amount of digging ahead of you |
| 04:06.50 | Gnea | SimonRaven: you missed the dump trucks :) |
| 04:06.55 | SimonRaven | reuq: doesn't work that way. use find xargs and chmod |
| 04:07.19 | SimonRaven | damn. good haul from the dump? ;) |
| 04:07.31 | SerajewelKS | reuq, you want "chmod a=,u=rwX -R dir/" |
| 04:07.42 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 04:07.44 | yafuka | essentially i am trying to build wxgtk but got error during make step.. :/ |
| 04:07.46 | SerajewelKS | reuq, you want "chmod -R a=,u=rwX dir/" |
| 04:08.08 | SimonRaven | reuq: e.g., find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755 - man find describes what '-type' does |
| 04:08.12 | jim | reuq: find can differentiate between files and dirs |
| 04:08.41 | Gnea | -type f gets the files |
| 04:08.43 | jim | (using -type; see info find) |
| 04:08.53 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, SimonRaven, http://pastebin.ca/23583 |
| 04:08.59 | SimonRaven | yafuka: i highly suggest you follow what /msg dpkg simple sid backport says |
| 04:09.19 | yafuka | yep, it what im doing. thx :) |
| 04:09.40 | jim | yafuka: I'd recommend that too... seems like you'd appreciate the-easier-the-better |
| 04:10.26 | reuq | jim, simonraven, serajewlKS thanks |
| 04:10.37 | jim | and when she's really bad, she's better! |
| 04:10.46 | SimonRaven | SerajewelKS: potential issue is splitting up the video that way. try to see what you get when you disable xinerama |
| 04:10.55 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: Option "DPMS" "0" <-- try that |
| 04:10.55 | SimonRaven | yafuka: cool |
| 04:11.05 | SerajewelKS | SimonRaven, xinerama is disabled.. there's a # in front of it |
| 04:11.16 | micka | how set GPG_AGENT_INFO in debian ? |
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| 04:11.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, which option DPMS. there are several |
| 04:11.22 | SimonRaven | missed that, sorry |
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| 04:11.33 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: for the gfx card |
| 04:12.00 | SimonRaven | micka: you run gpg-agent - i suggest installing keychain, once you do some minor set up, it'll take care of that for you |
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| 04:12.45 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, still 161 |
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| 04:13.23 | Danar | every time i click a link or go backwards in firefox, my music stops playing. can anyone help? |
| 04:13.25 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ok, now try removing the DPMS from the gfx section |
| 04:13.32 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: but leave it only on the monitors |
| 04:13.33 | skott | how can i enable openGL/3d support for my Radeon 9800 Pro on debian? |
| 04:13.35 | albo | is there a way to save ps/pdf as html |
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| 04:13.42 | maher | has anyone bought anything from hackerstickers.com? I ordered some debian stickers, and they didn't arrive, and they're not responding to emails... |
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| 04:13.59 | Gnea | maher: how long has it been? |
| 04:14.11 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, 160 |
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| 04:14.43 | Danar | and it wasn't doing it a short time ago |
| 04:14.44 | maher | Gnea: I ordered the stickers on Aug 31 - I sent them email about it yesterday morning... |
| 04:14.55 | kurumin | viva o kurumin |
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| 04:15.14 | Gnea | maher: hammer away all week. someone might've stolen your mail too |
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| 04:15.39 | skott | how can i enable openGL/3d support for my Radeon 9800 Pro on debian? |
| 04:15.47 | Danar | how/why would firefox affect audio playback? |
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| 04:15.56 | maher | Gnea: well my mta doesn't like their mx listings, but I didn't get a bounce from another account I used... |
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| 04:16.14 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: uncomment Option "NvAGP" and make it "0" instead of "3" |
| 04:16.25 | Danar | skott: switching to xorg worked for me |
| 04:16.47 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, 181 |
| 04:16.55 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: HRM |
| 04:16.58 | skott | how do you do that on debian exactly? im a relativly new user. |
| 04:17.06 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: "NvAGP" "1" ? |
| 04:17.36 | Danar | skott: if you're new, you might want to use synaptic. 'apt-get install synaptic' |
| 04:17.42 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, 170 |
| 04:17.57 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: lsmod | grep agpgart <-- still there? |
| 04:17.58 | skott | i have synaptic package manager |
| 04:18.08 | Danar | skott: ok, then install it from there |
| 04:18.15 | cddesjar | damn they are coming out with a kde 3.5 already |
| 04:18.19 | skott | alright, thanks :) |
| 04:18.34 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, agpgart 34792 3 nvidia,nvidia_agp,via_agp |
| 04:19.13 | Danar | skott: after that, restart X and run 'glxinfo | grep -i direct' |
| 04:19.22 | Danar | skott: if it says Yes, it worked |
| 04:19.26 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: gonna have to restart X from the get-go on that since it's still loaded - try epic4 or irssi with screen, won't have to keep logging in/out (just recapture screen) |
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| 04:19.37 | SerajewelKS | Danar, it might not have as i'm figuring out =P |
| 04:19.38 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: (for irc) |
| 04:19.53 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, xinit won't do it? |
| 04:19.54 | Danar | SerajewelKS: sorry? |
| 04:20.10 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: no, because X is already running |
| 04:20.11 | SerajewelKS | Danar, just because DRI is there doesn't mean hardware acceleration is |
| 04:20.29 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: so it's already utilizing that interface, the kernel won't unload a currently used module |
| 04:20.33 | Danar | direct rendering = hardware acceleration, no? |
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| 04:20.55 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 04:21.01 | kenyan | hjbj |
| 04:21.01 | Gnea | Danar: might be onto something |
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| 04:21.15 | SerajewelKS | Danar, i have DRI and no acceleration |
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| 04:21.23 | Gnea | my brain is pouring out of my skull :/ |
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| 04:21.40 | Danar | SerajewelKS: that doesn't make sense |
| 04:21.41 | shastry | hi guys |
| 04:21.47 | SerajewelKS | Danar, yeah tell me about it |
| 04:21.58 | Phr0zenKore_ | how do i get bochs to run? |
| 04:22.02 | Gnea | Danar: DRI is enabled, but something else isn't setting it right |
| 04:22.04 | shastry | i needed some help .. am planning to switch to debian, but i need CTL rendering in browsers |
| 04:22.07 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, you type 'bochs' |
| 04:22.07 | shastry | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Enabling_complex_text_support_for_Indic_scripts#Check_for_existing_support |
| 04:22.08 | skott | what exactly should i use, i searched xorg and it came up with 1 thing and im about to install it + dependacies |
| 04:22.12 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: what does that direct return? |
| 04:22.17 | Phr0zenKore_ | yea SerajewelKS, but it's.... it coredumps |
| 04:22.20 | shastry | can anyone get me a screenine of the second part of that check ? |
| 04:22.21 | Phr0zenKore_ | segfaults* |
| 04:22.22 | Phr0zenKore_ | wait :p |
| 04:22.30 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, what does what direct return what? |
| 04:22.42 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 04:22.44 | litage | can hardware raid be achieved with parallel IDE HDs? |
| 04:22.51 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, direct rendering: Yes |
| 04:23.00 | Gnea | litage: if you have the proper controller for it, yes |
| 04:23.05 | shastry | anyone please ? |
| 04:23.18 | Gnea | shastry: a what? |
| 04:23.20 | maher | litage: you mean you want a hw raid controller with parallel ports? |
| 04:23.20 | Phr0zenKore_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/752 |
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| 04:23.27 | Danar | SerajewelKS: that would imply you do have hardware acceleration available... |
| 04:23.27 | litage | maher: yes |
| 04:23.28 | shastry | Gnea: screenshot of that page |
| 04:23.41 | Danar | SerajewelKS: what brings you to the conclusion you don't? |
| 04:23.55 | SerajewelKS | Danar, yes, i have it *available* but that doesn't do crap for me since it's not *there* |
| 04:23.57 | shastry | Gnea: the part which shows how your browser renders it |
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| 04:24.14 | Danar | SerajewelKS: uh, that sentence is a self-contradiction |
| 04:24.26 | SerajewelKS | Danar, yeah i know. tell that to x.org |
| 04:24.29 | maher | litage: i have never heard of such a beast, but i would be amused to see one... |
| 04:24.40 | Phr0zenKore_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/752 <-- check plz, it's the segfault |
| 04:24.42 | Gnea | shastry: hold on |
| 04:24.44 | Danar | SerajewelKS: care to answer my question? |
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| 04:25.29 | SerajewelKS | Danar, all i saw was a rhetorical question. if you want to help, help. asking questions about what x.org should be doing doesn't help when that's what it's *not* doing. |
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| 04:25.47 | Danar | <Danar> SerajewelKS: what brings you to the conclusion you don't? |
| 04:25.53 | Danar | how is that rhetorical? |
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| 04:26.10 | litage | so parallel raid controllers aren't common? |
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| 04:26.17 | SerajewelKS | Danar, okay, the fact that glxgears is getting 100-180 fps? |
| 04:26.18 | cat | !info xorg sarge |
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| 04:26.46 | SerajewelKS | cat, x.org isn't in sarge |
| 04:26.51 | SerajewelKS | cat, and it's xserver-xorg |
| 04:26.55 | cat | oh |
| 04:27.10 | Gnea | Danar: we're trying to figure out if there's some sort of library or something that's blocking the rendering process |
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| 04:27.34 | SerajewelKS | Danar, FWICS /usr/lib/libGL* are all linked to the nvidia-glx library |
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| 04:27.43 | Danar | SerajewelKS: it'll give different results depending on the size of the window |
| 04:27.53 | Danar | FWICS? |
| 04:28.02 | kazzil | is there any formal way to request a package in debian? i really want to see an L7 package ( http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/ ) |
| 04:28.04 | SerajewelKS | Danar, what the fuck.. i'm not resizing it. it's the default size. |
| 04:28.08 | SerajewelKS | Danar, from what i can see |
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| 04:28.49 | Gnea | Danar: the size has nothing to do with it, something in userland has caused the average 3d framerate to drop from ~2000fps to ~150fps |
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| 04:29.25 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, there isn't a /dev node i need to open up for userland, is there? |
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| 04:30.06 | SerajewelKS | iirc libGL talks to the X server directly |
| 04:31.02 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: waitasec - check your 'id', are you in the video group? |
| 04:31.10 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yes |
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| 04:31.13 | sgeigerbot | It's late and I need someone to proof my work. How can I change the following command so that the dd command uses "of" on the localhost and if on the remote one? dd if=/dev/hda2 | ssh root@192.168.3.2 "dd of=/mnt/hda3/ibma31-hda2.img.gz" |
| 04:31.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, otherwise kqemu wouldn't be working right now |
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| 04:31.46 | xidaux | Hey, what GNU software combination can do what Mathematica can do ? |
| 04:31.48 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: i think you want scp, not ssh, and something else |
| 04:31.48 | gary | ok |
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| 04:32.05 | tcsetattr | sgeigerbot, you know there's no advantage in using dd instead of cat... |
| 04:32.07 | Phr0zenKore_ | hello? |
| 04:32.09 | Phr0zenKore_ | anyone? |
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| 04:32.23 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: Well, I'm going to be taking a (remote) partition and putting it into a (local) file. |
| 04:32.27 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, use qemu? |
| 04:32.36 | xerophyte | my stunnel is keep crashing for some unknown reason .. is there anyother soltuion like stunnel which is reliable |
| 04:32.39 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: all i've got are /dev/nvidia0 and /dev/nvidiactl (you probably have a /dev/nvidia1 too perhaps? ) |
| 04:32.41 | xidaux | Scilab and mathematic ? |
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| 04:32.56 | sgeigerbot | tcsetattr: with dd you can control the blocksize. |
| 04:32.59 | maher | xidaux: xmaxima, gap |
| 04:33.02 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: qemu? |
| 04:33.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yes, i have /dev/nvidia[0-3] |
| 04:33.08 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: i see that, you might be better off with a secure netcat connection |
| 04:33.09 | Danar | anyone know how/why firefox might affect audio playback? |
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| 04:33.16 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, a bochs-like program that can do svga and is a buttload faster |
| 04:33.16 | sgeigerbot | tcsetattr: There are versions of dd that are more anal than dd, and they use the same syntax. |
| 04:33.22 | Phr0zenKore_ | aight |
| 04:33.23 | sgeigerbot | tcsetattr: sdd comes to mind. |
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| 04:33.29 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, i can install and run winxp on it at near-real speeds |
| 04:33.37 | xidaux | maher: Ok awesome |
| 04:33.44 | tcsetattr | sgeigerbot, the blocksize is irrelevant unless you're talking to a tape drive. with dd you can do other special effects too, but if you're not using those, just use cat. |
| 04:33.57 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, all are rw video |
| 04:34.02 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: better than vmware? :D |
| 04:34.05 | Phr0zenKore_ | much better?! |
| 04:34.06 | Phr0zenKore_ | :) |
| 04:34.10 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ok, that's right |
| 04:34.11 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: well, I'm just trying to get *any* incantation that will work. |
| 04:34.15 | xidaux | maher: What advantages would wolfram mathematica have over that combo ? I hear Wolfram Mathematica is based one the former. |
| 04:34.17 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, with the kqemu kernel module yes. but if you want that you have to compile from source. |
| 04:34.22 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: hrm |
| 04:34.23 | xidaux | maher: Any at all ? |
| 04:34.23 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: I'm a little tired...and want something to work... :-) |
| 04:34.26 | xidaux | or is it all hype ? |
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| 04:34.40 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: what do you think about this? ssh root@192.168.3.2 "dd if=/mnt/hda3" | dd of=/tmp/foo.img |
| 04:34.42 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: apt-get install qemu? |
| 04:35.01 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, yes. that will install qemu *without* kqemu (the kernel virtualization layer) |
| 04:35.05 | maher | xidaux: i find the ui's of mathematica maple and xmaxima equally frustrating - at least maxima has a lisp command line you can use |
| 04:35.10 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, glxgears -info says: GL_RENDERER = GeForce FX 5500/AGP/SSE/3DNOW! |
| 04:35.17 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, so it's definately getting the right lib |
| 04:35.18 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: i think you need sleep and to rethink :) |
| 04:35.20 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: kqemu? thought it was a KDE app |
| 04:35.29 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: before you break something |
| 04:35.36 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, yeah there are two. kqemu is the kernel qemu module. kqemu is also a kde front-end to qemu. |
| 04:35.45 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 04:35.47 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, afaik, the kde front-end iscrap though |
| 04:35.51 | LiquidAngle | anyone in washinton state ? |
| 04:35.57 | maher | xidaux: i don't use any of them with any frequency, though last time i had to do some compuations i used gap as it was the best suited |
| 04:36.01 | Gnea | LiquidAngle: a LOT of people are.. |
| 04:36.08 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: Was there a second part to that last comment? |
| 04:36.12 | LiquidAngle | Gnea: well, you know |
| 04:36.16 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: no |
| 04:36.17 | Phr0zenKore_ | i hate KDE :p |
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| 04:36.37 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: oh, I didn't see the first part. :-) I think you are right. Well, this is a bit of a demo... |
| 04:36.40 | Phr0zenKore_ | warning: could not open /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation |
| 04:36.41 | Phr0zenKore_ | qemu: could not open hard disk image '.qemu/harddisk' |
| 04:36.44 | Gnea | !anybody |
| 04:36.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:36.54 | maher | xidaux: xmaxima is probably closest to mathematica/maple - what do you want to do? |
| 04:37.03 | Phr0zenKore_ | !ask |
| 04:37.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:37.09 | gary | is |
| 04:37.13 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: that'd be really cool if it'd work like that - lemme pull something else up that i found awhile ago that's along those lines |
| 04:37.30 | Danar | anyone know how/why firefox might affect audio playback? |
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| 04:37.36 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: |
| 04:37.38 | Phr0zenKore_ | warning: could not open /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation |
| 04:37.38 | Phr0zenKore_ | qemu: could not open hard disk image '.qemu/harddisk' |
| 04:37.47 | xidaux | maher: Learn and use math to the utmost degree for physics and use it with LaTeX |
| 04:37.50 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, yeah, RTFM |
| 04:37.53 | Danar | whenever i click a link or go back my music stops playing |
| 04:37.55 | Phr0zenKore_ | aight |
| 04:37.57 | gary | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.57 | maher | Phated: did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/qemu |
| 04:37.58 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, -user-net will get rid of the warning |
| 04:38.05 | maher | Phr0zenKore: : did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/qemu |
| 04:38.07 | maher | Phated: sorry |
| 04:38.09 | gary | :0) |
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| 04:38.14 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore, but if you don't specify a boot device it requires an HD image to boot |
| 04:38.15 | Gnea | Phr0zenKore_: there's a mknod command for that |
| 04:38.26 | maher | xidaux: you probably don't need any of them then :) |
| 04:38.30 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i managed to drag glxgears down to 72 fps by enabling vsync globally |
| 04:38.39 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: interesting |
| 04:38.43 | Phr0zenKore_ | i'm used to vmware, how do i set this up? O_O |
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| 04:39.05 | Gnea | Phr0zenKore_: RTFM wasn't very far off.... |
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| 04:39.28 | Phr0zenKore_ | yea but i didn't see the manual.. |
| 04:39.31 | Phr0zenKore_ | here it is :P |
| 04:39.32 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, now if only i could get it to go the OTHER way... |
| 04:40.06 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 04:40.22 | SerajewelKS | ARG |
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| 04:41.04 | Phr0zenKore_ | i did qemu --help but i didn't realise the website :p |
| 04:41.47 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, anything else in the config you can see? |
| 04:42.07 | Phr0zenKore_ | so how do i get the windows XP image? so that i can run it on qemu? and the harddisk? how to create it? i suppose it's not in the guide. |
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| 04:42.23 | Phr0zenKore_ | ohh |
| 04:42.26 | Phr0zenKore_ | guess i'm blind |
| 04:42.27 | Phr0zenKore_ | :x |
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| 04:43.41 | Phr0zenKore_ | alright! |
| 04:43.43 | Phr0zenKore_ | thanks all! :D |
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| 04:45.39 | OCZ | hi, i have a cuestion |
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| 04:46.03 | otroean | Cfdisk says : FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap |
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| 04:46.38 | OCZ | there is an amd64? |
| 04:46.42 | OCZ | not i386 |
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| 04:46.46 | OCZ | just amd64... |
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| 04:47.43 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 04:47.53 | tengulre | how to make a USB booter! |
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| 04:48.06 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, still < 200 fps |
| 04:48.13 | OCZ | somebody can sayme if there is an amd64 version? |
| 04:48.20 | OCZ | not i386... |
| 04:48.32 | xidaux | maher: What is that combo best applied to then practically speaking ? |
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| 04:48.54 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: grr |
| 04:48.55 | nvz | I was amusing myself reading this old TRS-80 programming manual.. what a bastardized form of basic that was |
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| 04:49.16 | amorphix | help! my mouse has gone again :-/ |
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| 04:49.43 | kazzil | is there any way to lookup services in ports? |
| 04:49.43 | SerajewelKS | Gnea okay i'm here now |
| 04:49.50 | kazzil | lookup ports in /etc/services |
| 04:49.58 | amorphix | someone helped me yesterday get my mouse to work again (nullvoid) but today i started my laptop and the mouse pointer is not moving again |
| 04:50.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnea glxgears is still <200 even when running as root |
| 04:50.04 | amorphix | this puter is doin my head in |
| 04:50.08 | xixor | yo yo |
| 04:50.09 | amorphix | I havent changed a thing |
| 04:50.20 | nvz | amorphix: maybe thats the probelm |
| 04:50.27 | nvz | problem even |
| 04:50.27 | amorphix | nvz: how so? |
| 04:50.47 | nvz | amorphix: maybe the way he helped you "fix" it wasnt perminant and you didnt do anything about it :P |
| 04:50.48 | xidaux | maher: I disagree : (Mathematica, MatLab, SciLab, MathCAD, Maple, MuPAD, Gauss, plus, REDUCE, Octave) etc.. are all suited for physics |
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| 04:51.06 | nvz | amorphix: perhaps for example he had you load a module and not put it into /etc/modules to make it perminant |
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| 04:51.08 | xidaux | maher: I don't think you know what you are talking about fully |
| 04:51.09 | amorphix | nvz: he told me to install gpm and run some command |
| 04:51.12 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: k |
| 04:51.17 | obsmav | how do i change my mtu on my pppoe connection ? |
| 04:51.18 | amorphix | like gpm -t ps2 i think |
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| 04:51.27 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: am still researching |
| 04:51.32 | nvz | amorphix: are you using X or just console mouse services? |
| 04:51.38 | kazzil | what port is DNS on? |
| 04:51.42 | amorphix | nvz: X + kde |
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| 04:51.53 | nvz | amorphix: then you should not need gpm at all |
| 04:51.59 | amorphix | nvz: oh |
| 04:52.01 | SerajewelKS | does bitchx have highlighting? |
| 04:52.07 | obsmav | SerajewelKS, yes |
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| 04:52.31 | SerajewelKS | does bitchx have highlighting, and if it does, how do you turn it on? =P |
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| 04:52.34 | amorphix | nvz: my laptops mouse pointers are moving from touchpad and keyboard pointer, but theres no left click, only two right clicks |
| 04:52.38 | amorphix | this is all messed up |
| 04:52.41 | kazzil | how do i get the second column of something in sed? |
| 04:52.44 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: when i install from a cdrom image, it doesn't overwrite my real harddisk.. right?! |
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| 04:52.51 | SpinX | I need mysql.h and errmsg.h for a program to compile, i've got mysql server and client installed though. |
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| 04:52.52 | Phr0zenKore_ | qemu -cdrom /dev/cdrom |
| 04:52.56 | amorphix | nvz: but i wanted to use my own ps2 mouse |
| 04:53.03 | Phr0zenKore_ | i want it to install to windows_xp.img |
| 04:53.11 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: we got the mouse to work. appletouch is the module to compile. |
| 04:53.17 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: /config ? |
| 04:53.18 | nvz | amorphix: you've managed to confuse the hell out of me :P |
| 04:53.19 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ well, since you didn't specify the hard disk image, nor that you want to boot from the cdrom drive, it's not going to do much of anything |
| 04:53.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: ah, right. |
| 04:53.25 | amorphix | nvz: sorry |
| 04:53.29 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it's one of those weird new ones |
| 04:53.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. and we have to use 0.7 instead of 0.8 |
| 04:53.48 | nvz | I am ready for bed |
| 04:53.52 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: i want to BOOT from the cdrom, and INSTALL it to the image |
| 04:53.53 | SerajewelKS | Gnea unknown command |
| 04:54.03 | amorphix | im screwed |
| 04:54.08 | dondelelcaro | nvz: but is your bed ready for you? |
| 04:54.19 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ right, but you didn't tell it that. you told it "this is the cdrom, you're not going to boot from it, and you don't have a hard disk" |
| 04:54.39 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ so qemu will immediately quit and say "i don't have anything to boot" |
| 04:54.39 | SpinX | it says defaults are /usr/lib/mysql; /usr/include |
| 04:54.53 | Phr0zenKore_ | qemu -cdrom /dev/cdrom <-- it boots from the cdronm |
| 04:54.54 | nvz | dondelelcaro: it doesnt really have to do anything, but what it does best.. lay there |
| 04:54.56 | amorphix | i may as well reinstall everything |
| 04:55.00 | Phr0zenKore_ | but i don't want it to write to my real harddisk |
| 04:55.11 | nvz | I don't really see how it can or needs to be "ready" |
| 04:55.15 | xidaux | maher: Although , I think Scilab, Octave and CASPOC are better suited and so I don't really need either of those other ones so you might be right somewhat |
| 04:55.23 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ interesting. anyway, you didn't specify a hard disk image, so the virtual qemu machine has no hard disk installed. |
| 04:55.41 | Phr0zenKore_ | qemu -cdrom /dev/cdrom -hdd windows_xp.img then? |
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| 04:55.46 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ as long as you don't tell it to use /dev/hda for the hard disk, why would it write to it? |
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| 04:56.01 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ are you even reading the manual? no, not -hdd |
| 04:56.07 | amorphix | sorry wrong channel |
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| 04:56.13 | Phr0zenKore_ | hda? |
| 04:56.16 | Phr0zenKore_ | hda! |
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| 04:56.49 | SerajewelKS | Gnea i did rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia; still doesn't work |
| 04:56.55 | Phr0zenKore_ | but then it doesn't boot from cdrom |
| 04:57.21 | Phr0zenKore_ | ahh |
| 04:57.23 | Phr0zenKore_ | think i got it now |
| 04:57.38 | Phr0zenKore_ | qemu -cdrom /dev/cdrom -hda windows_xp.img -boot d <-- this? |
| 04:57.42 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ yeah um, are you going to actually READ the manual, or read one line, and then ask how to do something that's two lines further |
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| 04:58.13 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: is that the good thing? |
| 04:58.15 | Phr0zenKore_ | qemu -cdrom /dev/cdrom -hda windows_xp.img -boot d <-- this? |
| 04:58.35 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ do the options say what you want them to say? does it run? does the windows xp setup screen come up? |
| 04:58.42 | Phr0zenKore_ | it comes up |
| 04:58.48 | Phr0zenKore_ | but i want to make sure it doesn't overwrite /dev/hda |
| 04:58.48 | dannyp | ... |
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| 04:59.07 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ wtf. do you have +w to /dev/hda as the user you're running qemu under? |
| 04:59.13 | Phr0zenKore_ | no |
| 04:59.27 | fken | hello |
| 04:59.30 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ then how could it? and even then, you didn't say -hda /dev/hda |
| 04:59.35 | Phr0zenKore_ | yea.. |
| 04:59.40 | Phr0zenKore_ | so it works, for sure? |
| 04:59.45 | SerajewelKS | does it work? |
| 04:59.51 | Phr0zenKore_ | it boots from cd-rom |
| 05:00.01 | SerajewelKS | so it works then |
| 05:00.07 | Phr0zenKore_ | yay! |
| 05:00.15 | SerajewelKS | asking me if it works won't do any good since i can't see your monitor |
| 05:00.15 | Phr0zenKore_ | i see, it works! it gives the size i gave it! |
| 05:00.19 | dannyp | if you want your hand held that's called consulting, and I usually charge for that |
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| 05:00.40 | fken | i cannot mount my cdrom and ide_scsi keeps on loading at boot while its blacklisted |
| 05:00.48 | fken | whats happen ? |
| 05:00.56 | Phr0zenKore_ | it's indeed very fast, SerajewelKS ^^ |
| 05:01.03 | wireddd | whats the open source alternative to vmware called? |
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| 05:01.10 | SerajewelKS | wireddd lol.. qemu |
| 05:01.11 | Phr0zenKore_ | and in a window, without a crappy GUI |
| 05:01.13 | Phr0zenKore_ | i like it ^^ |
| 05:01.18 | SerajewelKS | wireddd where have you been the last hour |
| 05:01.22 | Phr0zenKore_ | LOL |
| 05:01.26 | Phr0zenKore_ | we're just talking bout that |
| 05:01.32 | wireddd | lol |
| 05:01.34 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ don't forget to read about the monitor |
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| 05:02.08 | dannyp | I hope qemu catches up with vmware. I actually only installed debian most recently so I could use vmware |
| 05:02.23 | SerajewelKS | dannyp with kqemu it's pretty sweet |
| 05:02.24 | Phr0zenKore_ | it's as fast as real speed and doesn't even interrupt linux! |
| 05:02.31 | Phr0zenKore_ | vmware is fucking bloated and makes Linux sloe |
| 05:02.32 | SerajewelKS | dannyp i only have segfaults when changing media |
| 05:02.33 | Phr0zenKore_ | slow* |
| 05:02.43 | dannyp | SerajewelKS: yes, but my understanding is that complete snapshots of states isn't supported in qemu, or isn't supported as well |
| 05:02.47 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ it's fast right now because xp setup is still in text-mode |
| 05:02.53 | Phr0zenKore_ | oh yeah |
| 05:02.55 | Phr0zenKore_ | forgot that |
| 05:02.55 | Phr0zenKore_ | :p |
| 05:02.56 | SerajewelKS | dannyp it's supported... |
| 05:03.01 | SerajewelKS | dannyp look at -snapshot |
| 05:03.29 | Phr0zenKore_ | thnx SerajewelKS |
| 05:03.30 | Phr0zenKore_ | :p |
| 05:03.36 | SerajewelKS | dannyp if you're referring to virtual machine states, i think they have some problems with -snapshot mode |
| 05:03.50 | dannyp | that is indeed what I'm referring to |
| 05:03.56 | Phr0zenKore_ | and how do you "revert" it like in vmware? |
| 05:04.02 | Phr0zenKore_ | cuz that's when i use when i want to mess with the pc |
| 05:04.02 | Phr0zenKore_ | (A) |
| 05:04.06 | Phr0zenKore_ | what* |
| 05:04.11 | dannyp | in vmware, the snapshot code will save the entire processor context, memory, and some type of diff of the drive contents |
| 05:04.11 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ RTFM on -snapshot |
| 05:04.17 | Phr0zenKore_ | thnx SerajewelKS ^^ |
| 05:04.26 | SerajewelKS | dannyp afaik qemu tries and fails to read it all back in |
| 05:04.28 | dannyp | and I need to maintain several snapshots for my reseach (I'm using this for a research project) |
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| 05:04.49 | SerajewelKS | dannyp i know it saves cpu/memory. i think it saves the disk snapshot file too, but doesn't use it properly when it loads it |
| 05:05.00 | SerajewelKS | or something like that |
| 05:05.07 | SerajewelKS | if you don't use -snapshot it works, that's all i know |
| 05:05.08 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: haha! I used my push examples (instead of getting a "pull" one to work) and pushed the data to the other machine without a problem. |
| 05:05.10 | hendry | http://pastebin.com/370665 # I am having problems upgrading Perl for some reason. There is a newer version though apt doesn't want to get it. Can anyone help/ |
| 05:05.12 | dannyp | SerajewelKS: well, then qemu is nearly 100% useless for my needs :) |
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| 05:05.26 | dannyp | eh, I suppose that's a slight exaggeration |
| 05:05.28 | SerajewelKS | dannyp make copies of the disk image :> |
| 05:05.36 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.38 | dannyp | SerajewelKS: that would quickly add up |
| 05:05.39 | Phr0zenKore_ | but the revert in VMware is slow as heck |
| 05:05.46 | SerajewelKS | dannyp hence the :> |
| 05:05.50 | Phr0zenKore_ | btw, i was looking for a game emulator, so i typed it in in dpkg |
| 05:05.54 | Phr0zenKore_ | "emulator" |
| 05:06.01 | dannyp | I'm anticipating shuffling dozens of snapshots |
| 05:06.02 | Phr0zenKore_ | boom, something86bochs |
| 05:06.04 | Phr0zenKore_ | :p |
| 05:06.11 | Gnea | hrm |
| 05:06.17 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: heh |
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| 05:06.19 | Phr0zenKore_ | lookup, boom, found it was a fast emulator for VM's |
| 05:06.34 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: and i just found one thing i was looking for too: |
| 05:06.35 | Gnea | oldbox# mount / -o remount,ro |
| 05:06.35 | Gnea | oldbox# tar cf - . | ssh -C root@newbox tar -C /mnt/newroot -B -x -f - |
| 05:06.49 | SerajewelKS | Gnea well twinview isn't causing it |
| 05:06.50 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: Ah... that's what I was looking for. |
| 05:06.58 | Phr0zenKore_ | <Phr0zenKore_> nothing |
| 05:06.58 | Phr0zenKore_ | dpkg i guess nothing is the most important thing ever. |
| 05:06.58 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Phr0zenKore_ |
| 05:07.16 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: .. |
| 05:07.25 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: Wait, that also "pushes" |
| 05:07.46 | SerajewelKS | Gnea is there anything in your xorg.conf that i don't have? |
| 05:08.23 | wireddd | so is kqemu in sid? |
| 05:08.24 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: all i have is.. |
| 05:08.34 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: I was having fun because I moved a disk image of a Xen virtual macine from one machine to another. This is a very cool project. |
| 05:09.03 | Phr0zenKore_ | Xen? |
| 05:09.10 | SerajewelKS | wireddd afaik kqemu is not in debian |
| 05:09.11 | Phr0zenKore_ | how many emulators are there?! |
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| 05:09.21 | wireddd | oh |
| 05:09.23 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ xen emulates a linux environment only |
| 05:09.29 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500]" Driver "nvidia" BusID "PCI:3:0:0" Option "RenderAccel" "1" Option "CursorShadow" "1" Option "CursorShadowAlpha" "32 |
| 05:09.30 | dannyp | virtualization isn't emulation per se. although I understand qemu can do emulation |
| 05:09.33 | SerajewelKS | wireddd if you compile it from source you can get kqemu |
| 05:09.38 | sgeigerbot | SerajewelKS: no...that's not true. |
| 05:09.39 | Phr0zenKore_ | k SerajewelKS |
| 05:09.51 | SerajewelKS | dannyp the debian package of qemu does /only/ emulation |
| 05:10.00 | dannyp | I thought xen offered virtualization, it just doesn't support windows as a guest OS |
| 05:10.02 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i still have my old twinview setup too |
| 05:10.07 | SerajewelKS | sgeigerbot well that's what the website says... |
| 05:10.16 | dannyp | SerajewelKS: and kqemu? |
| 05:10.20 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: ok, DPMS should be in the twinview under nvidia |
| 05:10.36 | SerajewelKS | dannyp kqemu isn't available in debian, you have to compile qemu+kqemu from source |
| 05:10.43 | SerajewelKS | Gnea maybe Option "RenderAccel"? |
| 05:11.00 | tengulre | tengulre: |
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| 05:11.04 | sgeigerbot | SerajewelKS: It actually has the CODE for doing full PC virtualization. However, the soon-to-be-released Vanderloo Technology-enabled and Pacifica-enabled chips will help Xen to do full virtualization, meaning you can run unmodified operating systems (even closed source Windows XP) on Xen. |
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| 05:11.12 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: my config is from pre-xorg-in-debian times - that *might* help |
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| 05:11.18 | sgeigerbot | SerajewelKS: Xen is a *BIG* deal. |
| 05:11.23 | SerajewelKS | sgeigerbot that will kick butt |
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| 05:11.43 | sgeigerbot | SerajewelKS: it already kicks buff if you are a Linux or BSD user. :-) |
| 05:11.56 | sgeigerbot | SerajewelKS: I've been using it for nearly a year. |
| 05:12.04 | tvn | Can I use apt or dpkg to search for which package that file XYZ belongs to ? |
| 05:12.06 | SerajewelKS | Gnea :'( |
| 05:12.10 | dannyp | well, I am not a fan of having to use vmware, or windows XP, for my research but I don't think any other option makes sense for me :( |
| 05:12.24 | SerajewelKS | sgeigerbot but you can't run xp on it right now, can you? |
| 05:12.25 | Phr0zenKore_ | yay! |
| 05:12.26 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.ca/23586 |
| 05:12.28 | Phr0zenKore_ | windows XP home edition! |
| 05:12.28 | Phr0zenKore_ | XD |
| 05:12.38 | Gnea | Phr0zenKore_: EW. |
| 05:12.45 | Phr0zenKore_ | in qemu |
| 05:12.46 | Phr0zenKore_ | :p |
| 05:12.54 | Gnea | Phr0zenKore_: EW. |
| 05:13.01 | Phr0zenKore_ | .. |
| 05:13.05 | Phr0zenKore_ | what's with you and "ew"? |
| 05:13.11 | Gnea | EW. |
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| 05:13.16 | Phr0zenKore_ | aight |
| 05:13.17 | Phr0zenKore_ | :p |
| 05:13.20 | Gnea | :P |
| 05:13.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnea module GLcore isn't loaded on my conf |
| 05:13.21 | sgeigerbot | SerajewelKS: XP *has* run on it in modified form. Microsoft uses legal means to keep peopel from distributing those changes that would be helpful to many people. |
| 05:13.31 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hrm |
| 05:13.33 | Phr0zenKore_ | omfg man, SerajewelKS, it IS slow |
| 05:13.40 | SerajewelKS | sgeigerbot i figured it was something like that |
| 05:13.50 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ yeah kqemu helps a *little* ther |
| 05:13.56 | Phr0zenKore_ | little? |
| 05:14.03 | Phr0zenKore_ | so kqemu is not worth it? |
| 05:14.11 | SerajewelKS | yeah, little as in "enough to make it come up a bit faster" |
| 05:14.19 | Phr0zenKore_ | so it's not worth it? |
| 05:14.21 | Phr0zenKore_ | :P |
| 05:14.34 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: i have a xen demo cd that works wonders, but getting it to actually work from the apt isn't something that i seem to be able to accomplish |
| 05:14.44 | SerajewelKS | the hell... |
| 05:14.46 | Phr0zenKore_ | at least it IS reasonable and better than Vmware |
| 05:14.48 | SerajewelKS | x.org just doesn't like me or something |
| 05:15.02 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: I did it. :-) Let me look at my script. I might be able to share it easily. |
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| 05:15.14 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: cool :) |
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| 05:15.21 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: does qemu also accept DirectX? cuz vmware does not. |
| 05:15.25 | tvn | Can I use apt or dpkg to search for which package that file XYZ belongs to ? |
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| 05:15.48 | dondelelcaro | tvn: yes |
| 05:15.50 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 05:15.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell tvn -about search |
| 05:15.58 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: yeah, if i can get this em64t up and running, i'd like to be able to run a few sub-systems on it to tune kernel compile times with distcc |
| 05:15.58 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ qemu does not emulate an accelerated video card, if that's what you mean. i'm sure directx will do software rendering, but you might as well try to play on a 486. |
| 05:16.08 | MrEntropy | i have the new stable, what is the package name for libtermcap? |
| 05:16.13 | dannyp | what's wrong with a 486? |
| 05:16.14 | dannyp | kids these days |
| 05:16.25 | tvn | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:16.30 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: vmware behaves weird when you put Direct3D to use. |
| 05:16.31 | MrEntropy | termcap-compat doesn't work, at least a makefile doesn't pick up what it needs |
| 05:17.03 | Phr0zenKore_ | .. the installation still takes 39 minutes... according to the thing |
| 05:17.14 | wireddd | you think server 2003 will fit into 10gigs? |
| 05:17.17 | SerajewelKS | Phr0zenKore_ expect it to take over an hour |
| 05:17.20 | dannyp | I used to play all of my computer games on an 8088 |
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| 05:17.27 | Phr0zenKore_ | an hour?! |
| 05:17.30 | Gnea | dannyp: it takes 1,000 486's (give or take a few hundred or thousand) clustered to equal a cluster of 20-or-so amd64's. The power usage could be equated to that of enron. |
| 05:17.31 | Phr0zenKore_ | s |
| 05:17.31 | SerajewelKS | dannyp i had a 286.. those games rocked |
| 05:17.45 | ke6isf | dannyp: Bah, I used to play them on an Apple //c. Before that, it was a TI 99/4A. |
| 05:17.53 | Gnea | sierra rocked |
| 05:17.59 | SerajewelKS | Gnea i'm like... getting really frustrated here |
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| 05:18.04 | dannyp | well I'm not that old, so I'd expect others to beat me out |
| 05:18.06 | cleit0n | hi, how do i install apollon in debian sid |
| 05:18.21 | ke6isf | dannyp: I'm waiting for people to start chiming in about PDP whatevers. |
| 05:18.22 | dannyp | which is precisely my point, in a way (I'm young, and I think a 486 is nice) |
| 05:18.42 | ke6isf | dannyp: If you think a 486 is nice, a P2 will blow your head apart. |
| 05:18.52 | dannyp | well I'm currently using an athlon XP 2500+ |
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| 05:19.10 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 05:19.12 | ke6isf | dannyp: ...and you think a 486 is nice? Surely you're joking! |
| 05:19.14 | dannyp | RiverRat: no, 8088 |
| 05:19.19 | dannyp | ke6isf: you can do a lot on a 486 |
| 05:19.24 | kazzil | how do i get the second column of a table with sed? |
| 05:19.25 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i know it's osmething really silly that's being overlooked. i just can't put my finger on it. |
| 05:19.27 | kazzil | tab delineated |
| 05:19.35 | wireddd | 486 dx2 66.... |
| 05:19.36 | dannyp | as recently as 3-4 years ago I did a lot of work on a dx4/100 |
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| 05:19.46 | SpinX | does debian mysql not come with the mysql.h, rest of the headers? |
| 05:19.52 | nullvoid | awk -F'|' '{nicname=$1}{fulname=$2}{print "full_name="fulname"\nemail_address="nicname"@azrb.com\nreply_to="nicname"@azrb.com" >> $filoc"/"nicname".pref"}' $filoc/global.abook :<---- the filoc in the awk doesn't have value, how to fix? |
| 05:19.52 | nkuttler | kazzil: sounds like an awk tast |
| 05:20.00 | dannyp | kazzil: or a 'cut' task |
| 05:20.02 | buu | Hrm. I have a windows box connected to a linux box connected to the internet. I'm trying to make the linux box run NAT for the windows box behind it. So I tried: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE, but windows still can't ping internet hosts. It can talk to the linux box just ifne. |
| 05:20.02 | kazzil | erm, sure, awk, sorry |
| 05:20.07 | Gnea | my first bbs was a 486 sx 25 |
| 05:20.07 | buu | fine |
| 05:20.08 | SpinX | theres no mysql.h in /usr/include.. |
| 05:20.23 | ke6isf | dannyp: On that, I could install a kernel, ntpd, BIND 9, and *maybe* postfix, and have it as a small server doing toaster ops. |
| 05:20.30 | dannyp | but yes, cut is a watered down awk |
| 05:20.36 | Gnea | buu: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 05:20.38 | ke6isf | dannyp: Or, I could have it do firewall and routing. |
| 05:20.44 | SerajewelKS | Gnea xorg says that it can't load libfb.a |
| 05:20.45 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: still there? |
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| 05:20.48 | SpinX | locate mysql.h returns nothing. |
| 05:20.54 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: yeah |
| 05:20.56 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: sec |
| 05:21.00 | dannyp | ke6isf: oh, I was using it as a desktop when I was in highschool... was running X |
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| 05:21.02 | SpinX | can anyone help me? |
| 05:21.10 | SerajewelKS | !anyone |
| 05:21.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:21.11 | dannyp | with a browser and an mp3 player |
| 05:21.14 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a ? |
| 05:21.20 | wireddd | will debian run on a mac classic? |
| 05:21.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnea yes |
| 05:21.28 | SpinX | SerajewelKS: !blowme |
| 05:21.31 | ke6isf | SpinX: That may mean that mysql source isn't installed. What exactly are you trying to do? You don't give us context. |
| 05:21.42 | nkuttler | wireddd: classic? 68k? read the install guide. |
| 05:21.48 | SpinX | trying to install anope 1.7. irc services, needs mysql header files. |
| 05:21.57 | Gnea | SpinX: responses like that will get you nowhere good, fast. |
| 05:21.59 | buu | Gnea: Done. |
| 05:22.05 | Gnea | buu: and? |
| 05:22.06 | buu | Gnea: I'm afraid still nothing good. |
| 05:22.14 | ke6isf | SpinX: And you would be best advised to watch your Ps and Qs in here. |
| 05:22.24 | kazzil | why are ram prices going /up/ |
| 05:22.25 | SpinX | or what, a ban? |
| 05:22.26 | ke6isf | SpinX: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 05:22.29 | SpinX | 3.1 |
| 05:22.32 | Gnea | buu: try specifying the actual subnet with -s 192.168.X.X/YY |
| 05:22.38 | kazzil | at least not going down. $130 for good speed ram |
| 05:22.44 | Gnea | buu: and giving it -i eth1 |
| 05:22.45 | wireddd | nkuttler I am guessing that is a no |
| 05:22.46 | tcsetattr | nullvoid, in awk you don't prefix variable names with $ except for $1, $2, $3, ... |
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| 05:23.05 | nkuttler | wireddd: that's a rtfm |
| 05:23.07 | ke6isf | SpinX: Just trust me. You start acting beligerent like, and you'll be hushed up in no time. |
| 05:23.19 | Gnea | SpinX: you need to install the -dev packages |
| 05:23.20 | buu | Gnea: Gnea "Can't use -i with POSTROUTING" |
| 05:23.30 | Gnea | buu: oh yeah, sorry, forget that part |
| 05:23.37 | cronjob | SpinX: if you're not planning on using the mySQL component of anope, you can disable it |
| 05:23.46 | dannyp | SpinX: please, no need to be machismo, penis-waving, or patriarchical. play nice |
| 05:23.58 | Gnea | SpinX: apt-cache search libmysql dev |
| 05:24.07 | SpinX | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:24.07 | SpinX | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.07 | SpinX | E: Broken packages |
| 05:24.16 | Gnea | SpinX: sarge? |
| 05:24.22 | SpinX | yea |
| 05:24.32 | SerajewelKS | grr |
| 05:24.41 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o": No symbols found |
| 05:24.42 | Gnea | ? |
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| 05:24.49 | bob2 | yay X |
| 05:24.50 | SerajewelKS | Gnea yes |
| 05:24.56 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:24.56 | buu | Gnea: /window 11 |
| 05:24.58 | buu | er |
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| 05:25.12 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: http://www.ncee.net/shane/xen_setup.py It's very rough...and I might have forgotten to give you something. Give me your feedback on it. |
| 05:25.20 | Gnea | SpinX: do you have security enabled in apt sources? |
| 05:25.23 | SpinX | no |
| 05:25.36 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: mind if I private message you while we work on this? I just remembered something else I probably have to do. |
| 05:25.48 | buu | Gnea: I try: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE. windows box is 192.168.1.2, linux is 192.168.1.1 |
| 05:26.14 | SpinX | Gnea: i did, but apt-get always timed out while trying to connect to security. |
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| 05:26.51 | ke6isf | SpinX: When's the last time you tried? There were problems this weekend. |
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| 05:27.00 | SpinX | the weekend ;p |
| 05:27.05 | ke6isf | SpinX: Try again. |
| 05:27.10 | SpinX | working so far |
| 05:27.11 | SerajewelKS | buu don't think you need -o eth0 |
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| 05:27.20 | buu | SerajewelKS: Well, it can't hurt, right? |
| 05:27.22 | ke6isf | SpinX: Also, do me a favor - join #flood adn paste your sources.list |
| 05:27.34 | MrEntropy | i need libtermcap and libtermcap-dev for the new debian 3.1r0, anyone know how to get it? |
| 05:27.36 | SerajewelKS | buu i don't know. i never used it, so it might hurt, and it might not. |
| 05:27.47 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it needs to know what interface to shove the packets out thru |
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| 05:27.57 | Zugschlus | Hiryu: there is a README in the Mailman package |
| 05:28.02 | Gnea | SpinX: ah, try it now |
| 05:28.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnea it always figured it out on mine =/ |
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| 05:28.59 | buu | Well, I installed 'ipmasq' and everything started working. I'll sort it later. |
| 05:29.02 | SerajewelKS | Gnea i just realized i don't think i've rebooted since i installed x.org. one sec |
| 05:29.15 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: er, ok |
| 05:29.18 | Phr0zenKore_ | yay, i can just continue with the normal Linux while it's installing, no bloat-slow stuff ^^ |
| 05:29.19 | SpinX | Gnea: works ;) |
| 05:29.20 | SerajewelKS | Gnea wait yes i did |
| 05:29.36 | ke6isf | SpinX: Heh you have xorg in there, you know what you're doing. Though IMHO it couldn't hurt to get deb-src for security.debian.org, and append 'contrib non-free' to those sources. |
| 05:29.44 | Gnea | SpinX: good, now get your punkass into gear ;) |
| 05:29.45 | nkuttler | MrEntropy: doesn't termcap-compat do what you need? |
| 05:30.06 | SpinX | :p |
| 05:30.16 | SpinX | i had to install xorg for my video card... i can't wait til i get my new one. |
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| 05:30.24 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: so you are on 2.6.12.4 and working now? |
| 05:30.32 | SerajewelKS | SpinX looks like the opposite for me... xorg hates mine |
| 05:30.37 | SpinX | lol |
| 05:30.49 | SerajewelKS | Gnea i take it there's no "this is probably the issue" verdict by now |
| 05:30.52 | SpinX | VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) |
| 05:31.02 | SerajewelKS | SpinX integrated? O_o |
| 05:31.09 | jm__ | MrEntropy: why do you think you need them? |
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| 05:31.52 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: not yet |
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| 05:32.14 | MrEntropy | got it, it's libedit |
| 05:33.04 | The_Ultimate_Sam | is it possible to set transfer files between two computers sharing a lan if one is windows? |
| 05:33.10 | jm__ | you should simply substitute libtermcap for libncurses on Linux systems |
| 05:33.26 | SerajewelKS | Gnea i found an interesting site on google... first hit, actually |
| 05:33.42 | SerajewelKS | Gnea it says that when you change the "NvAGP" option you have to reboot for it to take effect. which seems really odd. |
| 05:33.58 | SerajewelKS | Gnea it also says that loading the dri module is evil |
| 05:35.01 | jm__ | that's explained in nVidia's README file |
| 05:36.09 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: well the dri used to give me grief, but not anymore, except for that one error, which doesn't affect it negatively |
| 05:36.19 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: but, might be different on your system |
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| 05:41.36 | SpinX | now mysql is working w/ services. i can start working on my php scripts for users to register their nicks on the site. |
| 05:41.58 | gozz | could somone tell me a good burning app like nero that burns .iso? |
| 05:42.05 | cronjob | gozz: k3b |
| 05:42.06 | ke6isf | gozz: k3b |
| 05:42.17 | cronjob | SpinX: good luck! |
| 05:42.24 | ke6isf | SpinX: Glad to help. |
| 05:42.29 | SpinX | ke6isf: thanks. |
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| 05:43.12 | Gnea | SpinX: awesome |
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| 05:43.57 | gozz | i have k3b do i need a plugin or something cause i cant find iso in the help? |
| 05:44.01 | rutski89 | Has anyone here ever setup jakarta tomcat on a production web hosting server already running apache |
| 05:44.20 | Supaplex | I'm sure someone has. is this a survey or a call for help? |
| 05:44.24 | wireddd | gozz: definatly k3b, also if you need to convert an .nrg image from nero to .iso you need to use nrg2iso |
| 05:44.36 | maher | gozz: one of the pull down menu's across the top has a burn iso option iirc |
| 05:44.48 | gozz | k |
| 05:44.53 | ke6isf | gozz: It's not obvious where to look. Lemme see if I can locate it for you. Gimme a minute. |
| 05:45.06 | wireddd | gozz: tools -> cd -> burn cd image |
| 05:45.18 | ke6isf | wireddd: Beat me too it. =^^= |
| 05:45.21 | ke6isf | !beer wireddd |
| 05:45.35 | ke6isf | s/too/to |
| 05:45.41 | wireddd | bitter... |
| 05:45.46 | AssAssIn41 | Supaplex can you help me? |
| 05:45.53 | nkuttler | !tell AssAssIn41 about ask |
| 05:45.58 | gozz | i got it thanks! |
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| 05:46.26 | Supaplex | I'm on a mission to reap rem sleep. so NO. ;o) |
| 05:47.07 | AssAssIn41 | nkuttler thx I have problem with X Server |
| 05:47.20 | ke6isf | AssAssIn41: Just ask the question, don't direct it at somebody yet. |
| 05:47.24 | kazzil | oohhh shit |
| 05:47.30 | kazzil | thats not /just/ beer |
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| 05:47.42 | ke6isf | kazzil: Something we don't know about that stuff? |
| 05:47.58 | AssAssIn41 | OK! (I repeat that's me first chating here) |
| 05:48.12 | kazzil | the 270min or whatever is one of the most alcoholic beers in the world |
| 05:48.15 | nkuttler | AssAssIn41: we understand that part. ask your question. |
| 05:48.23 | ke6isf | AssAssIn41: Get on with it, already! |
| 05:48.26 | kazzil | and the whole lineup of their IPA's is definately someof the tastiest |
| 05:48.33 | AssAssIn41 | I have problem with X Server, I coloudn't configure it for my Radeon 7000 |
| 05:48.37 | ke6isf | kazzil: Like how alcoholic? I know one that might beat it. |
| 05:49.30 | ke6isf | !tell AssAssIn41 -about drxx |
| 05:49.34 | nkuttler | AssAssIn41: you can simply use the vesa driver for a start |
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| 05:49.41 | nkuttler | AssAssIn41: /msg dpkg ati |
| 05:50.25 | wireddd | sweet I got qemu working... |
| 05:50.45 | kazzil | i think the 270 is like 16% |
| 05:51.12 | AssAssIn41 | THANKS |
| 05:51.12 | ke6isf | kazzil: That just beats the one I was thinking of, |
| 05:51.16 | Phr0zenKore_ | SerajewelKS: the windows serial doesn't work |
| 05:51.17 | Phr0zenKore_ | -_- |
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| 05:52.39 | ggl6 | which .iso images do I need to install debian as a desktop evironment? |
| 05:52.50 | sandman | To take a debian kernel and compile it for a different architecture and change nothing else, just grab the sources for the kernel, copy /boot/config-whateverversion to ~/.config in the source tree, and make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image, yes? |
| 05:53.06 | kazzil | oh, sorry, i'm just WHACKED |
| 05:53.11 | silverton | my cd-rom link has appear to have broken, I've tried to fix it, editing the fstab file, but to no avail... any ideas? |
| 05:53.12 | sandman | Well, put make menuconfig and change the arch to whatever you want just before the make-kpkg part |
| 05:53.20 | kazzil | dogfish head 120 minutes; 21% ABV. http://www.dogfish.com/beer/120minuteipa.cfm |
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| 05:53.35 | kazzil | 42 proof beer, hells yes |
| 05:53.46 | Manoj_ | sandman, sounds about right |
| 05:53.48 | SerajewelKS | Gnea well i tweaked some stuff but still it's a no-go |
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| 05:53.54 | sandman | Manoj_: Good. |
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| 05:54.00 | sandman | I don't see a point in compiling everything on the system |
| 05:54.10 | sandman | But I think optimizing the kernel makes quite a difference |
| 05:54.14 | ggl6 | i need the packages to set up a desktop environment whick .iso images has them. anyone know? do I need to download all 12 cd images? |
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| 05:54.26 | wireddd | in qemu it won't let the windows installer partition the blank drive I created |
| 05:54.34 | sandman | I think changing the arch can make a fair amount of difference, proper config probably makes the most diff (of the kernel) |
| 05:54.40 | wireddd | err blank drive image |
| 05:54.45 | sandman | Everything else is of somewhat lesser importance |
| 05:54.47 | maher | ggl6: ask dpkg about d-i |
| 05:54.53 | sandman | But that's just my humble opinion :) |
| 05:55.06 | maher | ggl6: if you have a fast net connection you only need a netinstal image |
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| 05:55.48 | wireddd | yeah netinstall is the way to go... |
| 05:56.04 | silverton | werd... |
| 05:56.05 | silverton | :D |
| 05:56.10 | ggl6 | i need to install it over dozens of pc's, so i think .iso image is best. but there are 12! |
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| 05:56.21 | silverton | oh, there are more then that! ;P |
| 05:56.38 | maher | ggl6: is the hardware very similar? try fai |
| 05:56.48 | ggl6 | diverse |
| 05:56.52 | silverton | and anyways, if you just want the basic desktop environment, you should just need cd1 and cd2 |
| 05:57.04 | sandman | Is there a way to run X normally, and then have tuxracer launch out of a chroot, and appear in teh X session from the non-chroot? |
| 05:57.05 | vineet | do the first one with apt-proxy, and use that for the rest |
| 05:57.07 | sandman | Does that makes sense/ |
| 05:57.14 | SerajewelKS | Gnea consistently getting close to 200 fps now |
| 05:57.29 | maher | ggl6: are all the machines on the same network? if so use apt-proxy |
| 05:57.42 | beardy | sandman: Why, is tuxracer dangerous? |
| 05:57.46 | SerajewelKS | sandman if you can stuff the X libs into the chroot, i don't see why not |
| 05:58.04 | sandman | Gotchya |
| 05:58.09 | sandman | They must be matching Xlibs, I take it? |
| 05:58.09 | silverton | rofl @ beardy's comment |
| 05:58.14 | ggl6 | cd1 and 2.. ok i'll try that first... i tried to look for a directory listing of the .iso's on debian.org but couldn't |
| 05:58.23 | ggl6 | apt-proxy? |
| 05:58.26 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: not much of an improvement :/ |
| 05:58.30 | beardy | silverton: Answer me instead.. |
| 05:58.31 | ggl6 | i'll look up on that.. |
| 05:58.36 | maher | beardy: spose tuxracer crashed! bits of dead penguin all over the place... |
| 05:58.42 | ggl6 | thanks fellas for all the pointers |
| 05:58.45 | silverton | beardy, depends on who is using it :) |
| 05:58.58 | silverton | maher, haha |
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| 05:59.02 | beardy | silverton: I guess.. :) |
| 05:59.21 | SerajewelKS | Gnea nah not really |
| 05:59.22 | vineet | it can be dangerous to productivity |
| 05:59.23 | silverton | so, any ideas on my broken cdrom drive? /dev/hdc doesn't exist anymore >.< |
| 05:59.44 | vineet | silverton: does it show up in dmesg at all? |
| 06:00.01 | silverton | vineet, werd, that's how I got kicked out of my school... cursed tuxracer "just one more race! i swear!" |
| 06:00.05 | wireddd | how can I get qemu started so that the windows installer can partition the blank virtual hard drive? it sees the drive and I don't get any errors but it doesn't do anything when I try and partition it |
| 06:00.05 | silverton | vineet, I'll check |
| 06:00.48 | bcc | do i need to keep System.map..... in the boot dir? |
| 06:00.53 | silverton | vineet, yup: http://208.63.182.192/jerrica_bw_cartoon.jpg |
| 06:00.55 | silverton | er, wtf? |
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| 06:01.04 | silverton | bah! cursed ctrl+v and middle click |
| 06:01.06 | silverton | Probing IDE interface ide1... |
| 06:01.06 | silverton | hdc: DM-828 1.04 20021010, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 06:01.13 | cybertek | anyone know how to cut about 7 lines off the top of a file in linux ? |
| 06:01.27 | silverton | cybertek, open it and press the del key |
| 06:01.34 | dondelelcaro | cybertek: head -n 7 foofile; |
| 06:01.44 | silverton | I like my way better :) |
| 06:01.55 | vineet | is qemu pretty cool? |
| 06:01.56 | cybertek | dondelelcaro, I want to remove 7 lines, not display them |
| 06:02.15 | cybertek | like, display all except the first 7 lines |
| 06:02.20 | dondelelcaro | cybertek: then tail -n +7 > foofile; |
| 06:02.28 | dondelelcaro | cybertek: man head; man tail. |
| 06:02.32 | Gnea | hrm, why not exim4? |
| 06:02.35 | cybertek | oh cool |
| 06:02.39 | cybertek | thanks |
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| 06:02.49 | Gnea | or is that something you hardcoded? |
| 06:02.57 | Gnea | oops |
| 06:03.03 | silverton | vineet, any ideas? |
| 06:03.13 | gozz | is there a firewall included in debian? and if not is there a way to control what ports i want to use? |
| 06:03.23 | vineet | silverton: kernel 2.6? udev? |
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| 06:03.29 | silverton | gozz, firestarter |
| 06:03.30 | Coke | gozz: the linux kernel has something called iptables. |
| 06:03.32 | silverton | it seems easiest |
| 06:03.40 | ke6isf | gozz: Shorewall. |
| 06:03.43 | rpmx | Hi |
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| 06:03.50 | Coke | gozz: it is a system for manipulating IP traffic. |
| 06:03.51 | maher | gozz: a firewall is not installed by default - you could install one if you chose - ports aren't used unless you instal lsomething to use them |
| 06:03.52 | silverton | 2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 06:03.56 | silverton | not sure what my udev version is |
| 06:04.33 | ke6isf | gozz: This is nothing like Windows, where stuff will self-install and leave your system wide open. If there's nothing there, nothing will run. |
| 06:04.38 | gozz | where would i get a fw? apt? |
| 06:04.44 | vineet | is it listed in /proc/ide? |
| 06:04.52 | ke6isf | gozz: Yes, same place as every other application you can get. |
| 06:04.58 | jm_ | !tell gozz -about iptables tutorial |
| 06:05.03 | silverton | vineet, hdc is, yes |
| 06:05.11 | rpmx | Can I take session tty1 from ssh, the idea is continued process the apt-get dist-upgrade remotly |
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| 06:05.28 | ke6isf | rpmx: Is it running in screen? |
| 06:05.40 | Coke | gozz: there are various frontends for iptables, the one I like best is shorewall. |
| 06:05.40 | rpmx | yes |
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| 06:05.45 | maher | rpmx: yes |
| 06:05.51 | rpmx | how ? |
| 06:05.53 | vineet | was it working before, and /dev/hdc just disappeared? |
| 06:05.54 | ke6isf | rpmx: Then 'screen -d -r' and watch the magic. |
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| 06:05.57 | wireddd | its so odd seeing the windows installer in a window.... |
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| 06:06.12 | Coke | rpmx: ctrl+a d, then screen -r to reattach |
| 06:06.21 | silverton | vineet, yes, I beleive it disappeared after my dad hit the reset button because my bass was up too high, along with voume.. he's such a nub.... |
| 06:06.29 | silverton | *volume |
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| 06:06.38 | jm_ | hahaha, quality - that's worth a QOTD entry |
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| 06:07.06 | rpmx | I dont have screen install :( |
| 06:07.16 | maher | rpmx: install it and use it then |
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| 06:07.20 | ke6isf | rpmx: And you already started dist-upgrade? |
| 06:07.23 | doe- | morning / evening / night |
| 06:07.32 | vineet | maher: well that won't do any good today |
| 06:07.40 | doe- | i got a small question |
| 06:07.41 | rpmx | ke6isf yes |
| 06:07.42 | vineet | rpmx: you could try ttysnoop |
| 06:07.43 | tengulre | anybody know how to got the function of 'scanf' signal? |
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| 06:08.01 | Coke | tengulre: man scanf |
| 06:08.02 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what do you have to do to get sound to work on your powerbook? |
| 06:08.10 | vineet | I haven't used it myself, but the package description sounds like what you want |
| 06:08.19 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do you set up an ftp on linux? |
| 06:08.21 | doe- | i'm running kernel 2.6.xx and i have a problem with /proc/ksyms how can make sure my modules will be loaded |
| 06:08.21 | rpmx | -bash: ttysnoop: command not found |
| 06:08.22 | TwistedPBook | deadcat, Weeee |
| 06:08.23 | doe- | ? |
| 06:08.28 | maher | rpmx: what stage of the upgrade are you in? if its just dl you can safely kill it and start again |
| 06:08.30 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: baby (= |
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| 06:08.39 | vineet | rpmx: dpkg -p ttysnoop |
| 06:08.45 | silverton | vineet, any ideas yet?? |
| 06:09.11 | vineet | oh crap, if you're in the middle of an upgrade, you probably won't be able to just install that new package |
| 06:09.21 | Coke | The_Ultimate_Sam: I pressume you mean "in Debian"; just pick one of the many FTP servers and install it. |
| 06:09.28 | vineet | silverton: no, no good ideas ... you could just try to restart udev |
| 06:09.37 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: fbsaetbg gives me error |
| 06:09.44 | silverton | how would I go about that? I've never had to do it before |
| 06:09.57 | The_Ultimate_Sam | well i tried that and i got this "vsftpd" but i have no idea how to use it |
| 06:09.59 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: what error? |
| 06:10.03 | rpmx | thank I go to kill apt |
| 06:10.03 | vineet | silverton: sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 06:10.05 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: something about install Eterm? |
| 06:10.09 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: should I do it? |
| 06:10.16 | silverton | vineet, thanks :) That's what I figured it was |
| 06:10.19 | maher | The_Ultimate_Sam: look in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd and man vsftpd |
| 06:10.22 | The_Ultimate_Sam | im just trying to get a file from one computer to another in the same network |
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| 06:10.23 | debian_newbie88 | I see this error "1127368858.286 1333 192.168.202.111 TCP_MISS/503 1583 GET http://yahoo.com/ - NONE/- text/html" |
| 06:10.26 | debian_newbie88 | on squid |
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| 06:10.28 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: i dont see how fbsetbg would require eterm |
| 06:10.36 | jm_ | that's not an error |
| 06:10.36 | debian_newbie88 | and can not surf all website. |
| 06:10.36 | silverton | ... audio just died :'( |
| 06:10.38 | maher | The_Ultimate_Sam: running sshd? try scp or sftp |
| 06:10.44 | The_Ultimate_Sam | well i maned it and i looked at the .conf file |
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| 06:10.48 | doe- | i'm running kernel 2.6.xx and i have a problem with /proc/ksyms it doesn't excist /proc/kallsyms does excist what must i do so modules do work at boot ? |
| 06:10.49 | TwistedPBook | brb let me restart to get error |
| 06:11.02 | The_Ultimate_Sam | sshd? |
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| 06:11.12 | Manoj_ | doe-, why does /proc/ksyms not exist? |
| 06:11.21 | debian_newbie88 | how can I do in my squid server? |
| 06:11.21 | vineet | silverton: oh yeah, sorry, that'll happen =p |
| 06:11.23 | jm_ | doe-: use Debian's kernel images if you don't know how to compile a working kernel |
| 06:11.25 | maher | The_Ultimate_Sam: are you running the ssh daemon on the debian box? |
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| 06:11.35 | silverton | vineet, no worries, I'm used to it now... stupid audigy card... |
| 06:11.39 | The_Ultimate_Sam | no |
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| 06:11.43 | Manoj_ | Hmm. /proc/ksyms does not exist here either |
| 06:11.51 | doe- | manoh_ & jm_ cuz i'm running 2.6.xx |
| 06:11.54 | The_Ultimate_Sam | im kinda new to this |
| 06:11.56 | maher | The_Ultimate_Sam: well - you could start it and then use scp or sftp to transfer files |
| 06:11.57 | silverton | :O |
| 06:12.00 | vineet | silverton: well you should be able to start playing again once udev is restarted |
| 06:12.02 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.03 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: fbsetbg: I can't find an app to set the wallpaper with. You can install one in many many ways but I will give you some simple advice: install Eterm and you're set. Eterm provides Esetroot and thats a great wallpaper setter. I recommend you install the package provided by your distro. |
| 06:12.05 | silverton | vineet, I am |
| 06:12.05 | doe- | but /prockallsyms does excist |
| 06:12.13 | jm_ | doe-: yes, so it appears 2.6 doesn't have this file anymore |
| 06:12.13 | silverton | I just had to re-enable something in alsamixer |
| 06:12.15 | TwistedPBook | sorry for fat ass paste all ;( |
| 06:12.30 | doe- | jm_ indeed but /proc/kallsyms is |
| 06:12.40 | jm_ | doe-: why do you care about this? |
| 06:12.44 | spowers | Esetroot is great. wmsetbg is also great. |
| 06:12.44 | The_Ultimate_Sam | and there is another problem in that the other system is xp |
| 06:12.47 | spowers | if you havew windowmaker |
| 06:12.52 | The_Ultimate_Sam | are they compatable? |
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| 06:12.56 | Manoj_ | doe-, sme here. Why do you think this is a problem? |
| 06:13.06 | doe- | jm_ cuz i get the messages at boot time no modules loaded |
| 06:13.16 | jm_ | doe-: there may be other reasons for that |
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| 06:13.25 | deadcat | TwistedPBook: install feh |
| 06:13.33 | doe- | jm_ nope that is the reason |
| 06:13.36 | Coke | The_Ultimate_Sam: you want to copy something from the Debian box to the Windows one? |
| 06:13.37 | jm_ | doe-: no it's not |
| 06:13.44 | doe- | it can't find them cuz ksyms isn't there |
| 06:13.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ya |
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| 06:13.51 | silverton | hmm... it works, but it's not auto-detecting a blank cd like it did before |
| 06:13.54 | doe- | jm_ what is it then ? |
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| 06:14.06 | The_Ultimate_Sam | and i may need to go the other way too |
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| 06:14.14 | jm_ | doe-: my bet is a) wrong kernel configuration, or b) you are not using module-init-tools |
| 06:14.24 | sandman | How to mount the /sys fs? |
| 06:14.29 | sandman | Or is that kernel-dependent? |
| 06:14.30 | maher | The_Ultimate_Sam: you can go either way |
| 06:14.30 | Coke | The_Ultimate_Sam: there are several ways of doing this; 1) make Debian use the same network filesystem as Windows, 2) Make both Debian and Windows use AFS, 3) Setup an FTP on the source machine, 4) setup a SSHD on the source machine |
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| 06:14.55 | doe- | jm_ i'm compiling kernel since 2.0.xxx i think i know how to compile it and yes modules in .config is on and yes i have module-init-tools |
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| 06:14.57 | sandman | forget my second statement |
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| 06:15.12 | doe- | but it breaks on /proc/ksyms |
| 06:15.26 | The_Ultimate_Sam | afs? |
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| 06:16.08 | Coke | The_Ultimate_Sam: openafs.org |
| 06:16.08 | maher | doe-: why do you need a 2.0 kernel? you probably need an ancient version of modutils as well |
| 06:16.08 | doe- | /etc/rc.S has the file module-init-tools look in the top of the file |
| 06:16.08 | maher | doe-: sorry - ignore that |
| 06:16.09 | doe- | you it searches for /proc/ksyms |
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| 06:16.09 | jm_ | doe-: so how come it's not working if you know what you're doing? please stop with /proc/ksyms, it's irrelevant, it's documented in the docs |
| 06:16.32 | doe- | jm_ be so kind and tell which docs |
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| 06:16.48 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, reboot didn't help |
| 06:17.10 | jm_ | doe-: various "converting system to use 2.6 kernel" documents |
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| 06:17.33 | doe- | jm_ found some of them but couldn't find about ksyms |
| 06:17.50 | john | is there something else other then "unrar-free" for .rar archives? |
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| 06:18.12 | jm_ | john: there's rar ... |
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| 06:18.22 | sandman | Can I mount teh /sys fs? |
| 06:18.26 | Coke | john: there is something called just "unrar" in the non-free section |
| 06:18.27 | beardy | !unrar |
| 06:18.28 | dpkg | it has been said that unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 06:18.29 | sandman | Or is that just done automatically and you cannot umount it |
| 06:18.39 | jm_ | doe-: the check in S20module-init-tools actually makes sure the file is not there! |
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| 06:18.57 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, glxgears does have /dev/nvidia0 open |
| 06:18.57 | john | yeah i thought i had that before, i dont have the non free sources |
| 06:19.02 | jm_ | i.e. it will exit if the file is there, but it wil lcontinue if file is not there, just like it should be |
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| 06:19.59 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i can get 6k fps by shrinking the window |
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| 06:20.43 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: outstanding. |
| 06:20.52 | doe- | jm_ could you give me an url where i can read about it and how to fix it ? |
| 06:21.01 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yeah =/ |
| 06:21.25 | jm_ | doe-: read about what? like I said, there's nothing to fix, the file has been renamed for 2.6. Period. End of story. Find the problem elsewhere, stop bothering with this file. |
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| 06:21.53 | vird | hello all my ppp link seems to show a lot of errors ... ppp0 has 300 odd errors dose that mean there is something wrong with my isp ? Due to these errors on the ppp link my laptop shows inordinate delays in fetching pages and downloads fail. Can i do something about this ? |
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| 06:22.52 | ke6isf | vird: Go ahead and join #flood and paste a sample of the errors. |
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| 06:23.22 | john | yes yes, i definately like unrar alot better. |
| 06:23.24 | blah2 | -_- |
| 06:23.32 | ke6isf | vird: Semi important, is this dialup or broadband? |
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| 06:24.36 | vird | ke6isf: i am on a dialup |
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| 06:24.51 | vird | ke6isf: the errors are reported by ifconfig |
| 06:24.53 | ke6isf | vird: Also, what version of Debian are you running? |
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| 06:25.41 | vird | ke6isf: i am running unstable |
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| 06:26.05 | ke6isf | vird: Well, I don't do unstable, but ppp is ppp. I'll do the beset I can. |
| 06:26.07 | RiverRat | /ban *!*@chello080109008036.6.14.vie.surfer.at!##evilchristel <- somebody kill that spammer |
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| 06:26.18 | bcc | is there a way to force grub reboot the box to a specified menu from command line? |
| 06:26.29 | Gnea | RiverRat: what? |
| 06:26.49 | jm_ | bcc: yes, it's possible |
| 06:26.52 | RiverRat | Gnea: Are you an op? If so then issue that line and get rid of that spam bot. |
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| 06:27.20 | vird | ke6isf: tnx so where do i start ? |
| 06:27.21 | Gnea | RiverRat: we get spambots here all the time, relax |
| 06:27.36 | ke6isf | RiverRat: What nick is it? The ops won't place a ban on somebody unless there's an in-channel problem. |
| 06:27.41 | RiverRat | Gnea: Just trying to help. We eradicated most of them from #gentoo |
| 06:27.59 | Gnea | RiverRat: *nod* we've got a process here, will keep an eye out tho |
| 06:28.10 | bcc | jm_: how can i do it? i want to make another non-default option and force it to boot. if it fails, i would pull the plug on the box and then it would boot back to the default option. can i do that? |
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| 06:28.16 | jm_ | bcc: it's in GRUB docs |
| 06:28.25 | bcc | jm_: ok, thanks |
| 06:28.26 | jm_ | bcc: yes |
| 06:28.26 | cahoot | doe-: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5793467888.html |
| 06:28.32 | RiverRat | ke6isf: It is the same address but it has changed its nick a few times in just the last few minutes. |
| 06:28.34 | ke6isf | vird: Try pasting more of the logs. Just that isn't very much to work with. |
| 06:28.40 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: sound works |
| 06:28.44 | bcc | jm_: i can't find a good tutorial |
| 06:28.58 | Gnea | RiverRat: hang out in here for a week or so, you'll see that it's nothing new |
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| 06:29.29 | rpmx | where I can download iso cd full of etch ? because I only can download etch netinstall from http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/ |
| 06:29.36 | ke6isf | RiverRat: That's par for the course for the spambots. Ops will ban addresses as they become problematic, but other than that there's little to do. |
| 06:29.55 | vird | ke6isf: the rest of the ifconfig reports no errors ... |
| 06:29.57 | RiverRat | Gnea: I'm not saying its new. I'm saying that there is no reason to let them continue to abuse your channel when they can be forwarded to a channel that is specially designed to kline them permanently. :) |
| 06:30.21 | jm_ | bcc: info grub -> Invoking grub-set-default -> Making your system robust |
| 06:31.30 | bcc | hmm, i don't have that |
| 06:31.34 | bcc | just a tiny man page |
| 06:31.42 | jm_ | maybe you should install a package that does ... |
| 06:31.55 | ke6isf | vird: Could be line noise then. Not much you can do except use a smaller MTU - but that's something that may (not) help. |
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| 06:32.52 | RiverRat | vird: The MTU should be 1492 on a dialup ppp line. |
| 06:32.53 | vird | ke6isf: i can't seem to use my complete bandwith on the lan ... the router (debian can use all of the bandwith available ) |
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| 06:33.14 | robin_ | ok doods, this is probably more of an X thing .. but htf do you get a poxy wheelmouse to err, well, wheel and scroll stuff ? |
| 06:33.26 | vird | RiverRat: let me try that ... which file do i drop it into ? |
| 06:33.27 | haz | google |
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| 06:33.41 | ke6isf | !drxx robin_ |
| 06:33.43 | dpkg | robin_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:33.51 | RiverRat | vird: It is in the ppp scripts. Sorry I don't know debian that well. |
| 06:34.11 | haz | Could someone point me in the direction of service management (excluding inetd) on debian? |
| 06:34.13 | robin_ | coo. |
| 06:34.20 | haz | stupid question, but Ive been having trouble finding anything useful |
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| 06:34.53 | RiverRat | haz: There is something in qmail that monitors services if that is what you are talking about. |
| 06:34.58 | isit-LoVe | he guys need your help |
| 06:35.26 | ke6isf | isit-LoVe: OK, ask away. |
| 06:35.27 | isit-LoVe | i want to run a file with another user |
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| 06:35.34 | haz | RiverRat: Im looking for the specific utils that show (netstat?) and control what starts when |
| 06:36.14 | isit-LoVe | with ssh i connect to the server with user root and want to start teamspeakserver with user exec |
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| 06:36.23 | f0rt3hm3h | does debian have support for MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Mainboard??? |
| 06:36.26 | maher | haz: debian uses init.d / rc?.d, try update-rc.d to manipulate the symlinks |
| 06:36.28 | takatumi | haz: /msg dpkg services |
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| 06:36.58 | ke6isf | f0rt3hm3h: Is there something special about this board? |
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| 06:37.01 | haz | so I did -> update-rc.d smtp remove; then reboot -> smtp starts up again ? |
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| 06:37.20 | haz | ! ty takatumi |
| 06:37.22 | haz | perfect :] |
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| 06:37.47 | maher | haz: maybe the service providing smtp is not smtp, but maybe exim4 or something |
| 06:37.58 | f0rt3hm3h | ke6isf: well, no but it has a nforce2 NIC build-in, and i cant get it to work with forcedeth |
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| 06:38.17 | RiverRat | isit-LoVe: Use the "su -c user-name command-name" |
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| 06:38.29 | maher | haz: in fact update-rc.d smtp remove should have given you an error |
| 06:38.32 | Gnea | f0rt3hm3h: nforce2+forcedeth works just fine using a 2.6 kernel on an asus a7n8x |
| 06:38.42 | haz | maher: ? |
| 06:38.56 | f0rt3hm3h | Gnea: well, thats good... i have K7N2 Delta2-LSR |
| 06:38.59 | isit-LoVe | mhh rivertat |
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| 06:39.07 | silverton | my nforce2 doesn't even need forcdeth |
| 06:39.11 | silverton | *forcedeth |
| 06:39.14 | silverton | I give up... |
| 06:39.18 | f0rt3hm3h | Gnea: beside my kernel is 2.4.27 |
| 06:39.21 | silverton | *forcedeth |
| 06:39.22 | silverton | there |
| 06:39.35 | haz | oh woot, rcconf ftw |
| 06:39.38 | Gnea | f0rt3hm3h: ah, that's the problem then - you need 2.6 - so install with the linux26 option at boot: time |
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| 06:40.06 | f0rt3hm3h | Gnea: "so install with the linux26 option at boot: time"??? thats that? |
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| 06:40.16 | Gnea | f0rt3hm3h: yup, that's that. |
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| 06:40.36 | gozz | is there a way to get debian to use a windows driver? |
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| 06:40.38 | f0rt3hm3h | Gnea: how do i get that to woek? |
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| 06:40.45 | ke6isf | gozz: Um, why? |
| 06:40.45 | Gmp | How do i get X |
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| 06:40.55 | ke6isf | !install x |
| 06:40.55 | dpkg | well, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 06:41.03 | haz | lol, how do I internet |
| 06:41.04 | maher | gozz: ndiswrapper |
| 06:41.09 | isit-LoVe | i get error "Unbekannte ID: /srv/teamspeak2/teamspeak2-server_startscript |
| 06:41.18 | gozz | my cpu fan sounds like a hoover1000 |
| 06:41.29 | haz | maher: thanks for your assistance |
| 06:41.30 | haz | night :D |
| 06:41.43 | isit-LoVe | when i use su -c exec teamspeak2.... |
| 06:42.08 | Gmp | -bash: !install: command not found |
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| 06:42.29 | f0rt3hm3h | Gnea: how can i install the new kernel, then i install the kernel-image-2.6.11_i386.deb file and restart i get "pivot_root: No such file or directory" "/sbin/init:432:cannot open dev/console: No such file" "kernel panic: Attempted to kill init" |
| 06:42.38 | ke6isf | Gmp: No, what dpkg told you. |
| 06:42.49 | takatumi | initrd poisoning. |
| 06:42.53 | maher | isit-LoVe: maybe there is no user exec |
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| 06:43.24 | doe- | ty cahoot ;) |
| 06:43.27 | f0rt3hm3h | takatumi: how can i fix that? |
| 06:43.37 | cahoot | doe-: np |
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| 06:44.03 | Gmp | x-window-system-core has no installing candidate |
| 06:44.14 | ke6isf | Gmp: What version of Debian are you running |
| 06:44.15 | ke6isf | ? |
| 06:44.19 | Gmp | how do i check |
| 06:44.33 | ke6isf | Gmp: 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 06:44.33 | f0rt3hm3h | how can i install the new kernel, when i install the kernel-image-2.6.11_i386.deb file and restart i get "pivot_root: No such file or directory" "/sbin/init:432:cannot open dev/console: No such file" "kernel panic: Attempted to kill init" |
| 06:44.48 | ke6isf | !tell f0rt3hm3h -about repeat |
| 06:44.55 | wireddd | what is testing called now? |
| 06:45.01 | ke6isf | !etch |
| 06:45.01 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 06:45.25 | wireddd | ahh yes |
| 06:45.32 | Gmp | 3.1 |
| 06:45.36 | ke6isf | Gmp: Sarge. |
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| 06:45.53 | Gmp | Sarge? |
| 06:46.09 | ke6isf | Gmp: That's the version of Debian you are running. Who installed this? |
| 06:46.17 | Gmp | I did =D |
| 06:46.18 | ke6isf | !tell Gmp -about set up x |
| 06:46.34 | maher | Gmp: are you sources correct? try apt-setup |
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| 06:46.59 | Gmp | ok |
| 06:47.20 | maher | f0rt3hm3h: are you using lilo? do you have the initrd line in lilo? |
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| 06:47.58 | f0rt3hm3h | maher: im using grub, and i have a initrd line in grub |
| 06:48.26 | maher | f0rt3hm3h: what version of debian? |
| 06:49.05 | Gmp | that didn't help |
| 06:49.32 | ke6isf | Gmp: What exactly did you do? |
| 06:49.33 | maher | Gmp: what does apt-get install x-window-system do |
| 06:49.46 | silverton | what is the cd auto-mounting package called? |
| 06:49.46 | f0rt3hm3h | maher: Debian 3.1r0 darge |
| 06:50.01 | EdgEy | darge :D lol |
| 06:50.05 | maher | f0rt3hm3h: is that a testing kernel you are installing? |
| 06:50.06 | ke6isf | darge! |
| 06:50.07 | Gmp | x-window-system has no installation candidate |
| 06:50.17 | takatumi | f0rt3hm3h: is it a SATA disk? |
| 06:50.31 | ke6isf | Gmp: join #flood and paste your sources.list please. |
| 06:50.34 | f0rt3hm3h | meah: no |
| 06:50.38 | maher | Gmp: do you have security in sources? |
| 06:50.42 | f0rt3hm3h | takatumi: no, pata |
| 06:51.13 | maher | f0rt3hm3h: where did you get the kernel deb? |
| 06:51.22 | f0rt3hm3h | maher:debian.org |
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| 06:51.49 | maher | f0rt3hm3h: whereabouts? in pool? |
| 06:51.53 | Gmp | i pasted it |
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| 06:52.16 | f0rt3hm3h | maher: cant get what you are trying to tell me... |
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| 06:52.27 | ke6isf | Gmp: Do you have it opened in a text editor right now? If not, open it up, it's tweaking time. |
| 06:52.33 | Gmp | okay |
| 06:52.46 | maher | f0rt3hm3h: the testing kernel is compiled with a different gcc, possibly against a different modutils, so may just not work on stable |
| 06:53.05 | ke6isf | Gmp: Note that every line with a # in front is commented. |
| 06:53.11 | Gmp | yes |
| 06:53.14 | f0rt3hm3h | maher: but its not testing, its 2.6.8 |
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| 06:53.17 | EdgEy | maher 2.6.12-1 from testing works on sarge |
| 06:53.21 | f0rt3hm3h | maher: thats not testing right.... |
| 06:53.29 | ke6isf | Gmp: That first line that's not commented (that cdrom line) - comment it. The security line - uncomment it. |
| 06:53.39 | EdgEy | or at least it did for me ;) |
| 06:53.47 | maher | f0rt3hm3h: you said 2.6.11 |
| 06:53.53 | gozz | ok i have ndiswrapper installed where do i put the fan driver? |
| 06:54.01 | Gmp | i dont have the internet on my computer with linux |
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| 06:54.10 | Gmp | the security thing isn't real useful |
| 06:54.18 | maher | EdgEy: do you want to help f0rt3hm3h with his kernel issues? |
| 06:54.24 | ke6isf | Gmp: Ebbeh... |
| 06:54.26 | f0rt3hm3h | maher: yeah, i have 2.6.11 and since it didnt work i got 2.6.8 witch does not work too |
| 06:54.30 | EdgEy | no *runs* |
| 06:54.31 | EdgEy | :p |
| 06:54.53 | maher | f0rt3hm3h: can you boot to a kernel which works? |
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| 06:54.57 | takatumi | f0rt3hm3h: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317096 |
| 06:55.02 | f0rt3hm3h | maher: yeah.... |
| 06:55.06 | ke6isf | Gmp: It's not on a network at all? Is there a means you have to get it on the network or a reason it's not? |
| 06:55.36 | Gmp | it is not on a network but i am hopeing i can with this computer |
| 06:55.43 | Gmp | first i need a network cable |
| 06:55.50 | takatumi | f0rt3hm3h: it might still be related to initrd, although the line is there, pata probably adds to the mix as well. |
| 06:56.06 | ke6isf | Gmp: The means is otherwise there, right? |
| 06:56.14 | Gmp | What |
| 06:56.27 | ke6isf | Gmp: For networking. The only reason it's not on the network is the lack of a cable? |
| 06:56.35 | f0rt3hm3h | takatumi: any idea how to fix that? |
| 06:56.46 | bucky | i mispelled initrd in menu.lst and was almost too blurry eyed to catch it |
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| 06:57.02 | Gmp | ke6isf: yes and the lack of if it was on a netowrk i would have no where to plug in my modem then |
| 06:57.06 | opteek | so |
| 06:57.13 | opteek | what do you guys think of ubuntu as compared to debian |
| 06:57.16 | babyrobbe | !tell babyrobbe mplayer |
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| 06:57.23 | ke6isf | !troll opteek |
| 06:57.34 | doe- | !tell babyrobbe mplayer |
| 06:57.34 | streuner | opteek: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 06:57.44 | id_sonic | I can't visit Google's homepage with Lynx =( |
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| 06:57.52 | doe- | !tell doe- mplayer |
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| 06:58.02 | ke6isf | !tell doe- -about msg the bot |
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| 06:58.09 | babyrobbe | doe-: tells me he wont do it :/ |
| 06:58.13 | maher | f0rt3hm3h: dunno - try making a new initrd as per the bug report... |
| 06:58.16 | id_sonic | who can help me?? |
| 06:58.16 | opteek | !troll ke6isf |
| 06:58.22 | babyrobbe | !tell me about mplayer |
| 06:58.25 | Gmp | so what do i do now |
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| 06:58.42 | streuner | babrobbe: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 06:58.49 | streuner | babyrobbe: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 06:58.59 | anilk | hi i want to assign ip to my interface at boot time wht shld i do |
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| 06:59.14 | ke6isf | Gmp: My first thought is to find a way to network the Debian box without causing your other network connections to malfunction. A router/hub comes to mind, but a hub assumes you have IP addresses to spare. |
| 06:59.39 | f0rt3hm3h | maher: ok i will |
| 06:59.52 | Gmp | why do i need to connect it to the internet, i would rather not |
| 07:00.10 | opteek | oy |
| 07:00.12 | id_sonic | I get "our client has issued a malformed or illegal request." when I visit google with lynx, how can I do?? |
| 07:00.18 | babyrobbe | streuner: i was missing the about in the !tell string |
| 07:00.20 | ke6isf | Gmp: With all due respect, that's like not wanting to put a boat to water. =^_^= |
| 07:00.24 | bibe | anilk : I use different boot parameters, and I select the network "profile" from GRUB |
| 07:00.28 | id_sonic | Who can help me ~~~~~~~`` |
| 07:00.33 | opteek | god |
| 07:00.46 | bibe | anilk : do you need more info? |
| 07:00.55 | streuner | babyrobbe: just use /msg dpkg mplayer works too |
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| 07:00.59 | anilk | yes |
| 07:00.59 | bucky | anilk, edit /etc/network/interfaces like this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 07:01.02 | Gmp | ke6isf: heh, i guess you're right, i could plug this computers modem in by USB and then network them, but would that allowe me to use internet on other one? |
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| 07:01.10 | anilk | ok |
| 07:01.20 | bibe | anilk : http://www.atworkonline.it/~debian/index.htm |
| 07:01.24 | maher | id_sonic: try w3m of links2 |
| 07:01.32 | ke6isf | Gmp: I don't know, not knowing anything about USB LANs. |
| 07:01.32 | maher | id_sonic: s/of/or/ |
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| 07:02.05 | ke6isf | Gmp: Do you have just one IP address? |
| 07:02.07 | anilk | wht shld i write if to interface eth0 ...i want to assign ip 192.168.10.131 |
| 07:02.12 | id_sonic | maher I don't like links2 and w3m. |
| 07:02.15 | Gmp | ke6isf: Ok, but first i just want it working, then i shall try to get it connected to interweb |
| 07:02.18 | anilk | at boot time |
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| 07:02.24 | Gmp | ke6isf: i really don't know |
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| 07:02.37 | bibe | anilk : there's a link to a "netprofile" script, plus the info to make netprofile change /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf, plus the info to make GRUB aware of the different profiles |
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| 07:03.37 | ke6isf | Gmp: You might not then. If you can get your hands on a router, this would be easier - otherwise you're looking at burning the CD with X on it, and snarfing in the information for that so you can install X. |
| 07:03.46 | babyrobbe | :D |
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| 07:04.19 | anilk | can u tell me exactly wht shld i do to make eth0 ip 192.168.10.131 whenever system boot |
| 07:04.35 | ke6isf | !u |
| 07:04.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:04.40 | Gmp | ke6isf: but don't i already have X on a cd, i have 2 debian cds but they must have X on them somewhere, just not installed |
| 07:04.42 | spackest | hopefully a quick dumb question, but is there an easy way to take a .tar.gz and build a .deb? |
| 07:04.52 | bucky | anilk, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 07:05.06 | ke6isf | Gmp: I hate to say this, but I can't help you with what you have. =O.o= |
| 07:05.06 | spackest | I have been looking through dpkg- stuff with no luck |
| 07:05.24 | streuner | spackest: whats the name of the tar.gz ? |
| 07:05.34 | spackest | memcached-1.1.12.tar.gz |
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| 07:06.01 | spackest | 1.1.11 I got from apt-get install, but I need a change from 1.1.12 |
| 07:06.02 | streuner | !info memcached |
| 07:06.10 | dpkg | memcached: (A high-performance memory object caching system), section web, is optional. Version: 1.1.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 07:06.27 | streuner | spackest: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 07:06.41 | archie | hey!U WANNA SEX? |
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| 07:06.42 | archie | hey!U WANNA SEX? |
| 07:06.43 | archie | hey!U WANNA SEX? |
| 07:06.49 | ke6isf | !ops archie is spamming the channel |
| 07:06.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: archie is spamming the channel |
| 07:06.57 | webfreak | ... |
| 07:06.59 | spackest | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20ub GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 07:07.12 | archie | HEY!ITS JOKE |
| 07:07.13 | archie | HEY!ITS JOKE |
| 07:07.14 | archie | HEY!ITS JOKE |
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| 07:07.20 | streuner | spackest: so you running ubuntu? try #ubuntu then |
| 07:07.22 | bucky | spackest, memcached is version 1.1.12-1 |
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| 07:08.01 | spackest | guess I figured it was a general deb question :) |
| 07:08.11 | Gmp | So, what do you think then ke6isf |
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| 07:08.23 | spackest | bucky: from where? |
| 07:08.33 | bucky | stable testing and sid |
| 07:08.43 | ke6isf | Wow, archie got himself kicked from flooding. =^_^= |
| 07:08.55 | takatumi | bucky: but he ain't running any of them. |
| 07:09.00 | Gmp | haha |
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| 07:09.01 | bucky | spackest, but if you're using ubuntu you're in the wrong channel |
| 07:09.05 | spackest | yeah |
| 07:09.17 | webfreak | yawn, it's late |
| 07:09.26 | webfreak | and i'm still working on this program that's due in the morning |
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| 07:09.53 | ke6isf | Gmp: Given your current setup, I"m not sure what to do. Sorry. |
| 07:10.02 | ke6isf | With that, I must bed. |
| 07:10.09 | Gmp | Ok then, Goodnight] |
| 07:10.53 | id_sonic | ddd |
| 07:11.02 | id_sonic | lynx |
| 07:11.46 | id_sonic | ??? |
| 07:12.06 | id_sonic | ddd |
| 07:12.09 | id_sonic | .., |
| 07:12.24 | Guerin | id_sonic: coulf you try to be a bit less clueless, please? |
| 07:12.28 | Guerin | could, even |
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| 07:12.38 | Guerin | if you do, I promise to try to type properly |
| 07:12.45 | Pfated | Heh. |
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| 07:15.56 | Typhoid | Hello |
| 07:16.19 | bucky | hi |
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| 07:17.07 | Typhoid | So is it always this quiet here? |
| 07:17.15 | wireddd | no |
| 07:17.18 | bob2 | rarely |
| 07:17.42 | bucky | they're changing tapes in the matrix |
| 07:17.51 | jm_ | which means you spoiled it for us ;) |
| 07:17.55 | Typhoid | oh, I think |
| 07:18.10 | bucky | i saw the same cat twice |
| 07:18.21 | wireddd | I saw my mouse twice |
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| 07:19.00 | Typhoid | hehehe |
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| 07:21.42 | robin | OK. next stupid question ... XF86 is running, my mouse scrolls nicely .. but the images on these LCD monitors are taller than the monitor *bottom of scrren missing* on plain old Anaglog monitorsd Id just tweak the height, but LCDs dont seem to work that way. Any more clues? |
| 07:21.46 | wireddd | anyone know if it usually takes forever to install windows in qemu? |
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| 07:22.20 | vird | how do i get x on a lan ? |
| 07:22.27 | vird | I am running osx on the other end ... |
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| 07:22.54 | robin | vird ssh -X some.remote.host ? |
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| 07:23.03 | nkuttler | vird: google Configuring and Running X11 Applications on Mac OS X |
| 07:23.08 | compguymac | question: i have debian and my batt. died on the the laptop, so i restarted and gnome became corrupt somehow, gave me the error...: there was an error starting gnome settings daemon, settings deamon restarted to many times. gnome will still try to restart the settings daemon next time you log in |
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| 07:23.47 | nkuttler | robin: does it not scroll when you move the mouse to the border? |
| 07:24.05 | wim | ok ... I have a dir /dir/foo ... everyone in a particular group shoulde be able to access that group .. but they shouldn`t be able to access /dir ... how do I do this ? |
| 07:24.16 | robin | nkuttler, nope. if I adjust the controls on the scrren, I can pan to see the bootm, but then the top is missing :) |
| 07:24.21 | wim | right now .. /dir is 0701 and /dir/foo is 0766 |
| 07:24.33 | wim | but the users get permission denied |
| 07:24.46 | wireddd | robin sounds like you a using the wrong resolution |
| 07:24.51 | nkuttler | robin: sounds like you didn't configure x properly |
| 07:25.01 | robin | hmmm |
| 07:25.08 | nkuttler | robin: what driver? |
| 07:25.12 | robin | mga |
| 07:25.32 | robin | dualhead with Eizo L767s |
| 07:25.50 | wireddd | what res are you trying to use? |
| 07:25.56 | wim | oh and /dir/foo is chowned at my own user but the teh public group |
| 07:26.05 | robin | wireddd, 1280x1024 |
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| 07:26.23 | wireddd | is that the native resolution fo the monitors? |
| 07:26.29 | wireddd | err of |
| 07:26.32 | robin | feck knows .. good point |
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| 07:28.04 | wim | can anybody help me with this ? |
| 07:28.08 | mernil | what the heck is a native resolution? |
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| 07:28.22 | robin | mernil, the actual number of pixels on the screen |
| 07:28.26 | asdx | where can i get a .deb of postgresql? |
| 07:28.28 | mernil | robin: okay |
| 07:28.30 | huck_finn | I have a quick question, if I replace the mobo, I'd need to reformat/reinstall debian correct? Due to the change in chipset? |
| 07:28.35 | nkuttler | asdx: apt-cache search postgres |
| 07:28.41 | wim | huck_finn no .. change the kernel |
| 07:28.45 | streuner | !tell asdx about search |
| 07:28.50 | compguymac | nkuttler: no |
| 07:29.00 | robin | mernil, you get best reults when that is the same as the rate of wibble on the driver, especially when connected DVI |
| 07:29.03 | compguymac | thats what is nice about linux |
| 07:29.05 | asdx | nkuttler: the problem is that i don't have that debian machine online |
| 07:29.07 | nkuttler | compguymac: ? |
| 07:29.11 | huck_finn | wim: sweet... that sounds much easier |
| 07:29.12 | mernil | robin: ok, thanks |
| 07:29.13 | asdx | nkuttler: i need a .deb for installing offline |
| 07:29.17 | compguymac | what? |
| 07:29.25 | wim | huck_finn well yea .. you compile it yourself too ? |
| 07:29.25 | nkuttler | asdx: do what streuner told you |
| 07:29.26 | streuner | nkuttler: read what dpkg told you |
| 07:29.29 | robin | wireddd, yeah 1280x1024 is native apparently |
| 07:29.32 | nkuttler | streuner: not me... |
| 07:29.35 | streuner | nkuttler: oh :-) |
| 07:29.44 | nkuttler | compguymac: 09:29 < compguymac> nkuttler: no |
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| 07:29.45 | wireddd | yeah I was just looking at that |
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| 07:29.57 | Guerin | asdx: apt-cache search postgresql |
| 07:29.57 | huck_finn | wim: no, I'm new to linux altogheter, so I'm using the standard 2.6.8-626 |
| 07:30.12 | nkuttler | Guerin: but he's not on the intarweb!1 |
| 07:30.16 | wireddd | make sure thats what it is set to in XF86Config-4 |
| 07:30.22 | wim | ok well make sure you take the right kernel then |
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| 07:30.26 | Guerin | asdx: you almost certainly won't be able to, unless you manually get the dependencies. Packages.debian.org has it. |
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| 07:30.36 | huck_finn | wim: easy enough, thanks!! |
| 07:30.39 | wim | huck_finn but if I were you I~d try to make my own kernel .. it isn`t to hard |
| 07:30.39 | compguymac | question: i have debian and my batt. died on the the laptop, so i restarted and gnome became corrupt somehow, gave me the error...: there was an error starting gnome settings daemon, settings deamon restarted to many times. gnome will still try to restart the settings daemon next time you log in |
| 07:30.48 | Guerin | can someone please tell me the point of having a debian machine which isn't on the internet? |
| 07:31.00 | compguymac | learning how to use linux |
| 07:31.04 | nkuttler | Guerin: there are many |
| 07:31.08 | streuner | Guerin: security :-) |
| 07:31.20 | robin | wired, yeah it is set to that .. and the monitor info says ... 1280x104 h 75Khz V 60hz |
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| 07:31.43 | wireddd | hmm |
| 07:31.47 | nkuttler | robin: reconfigure x, use that, if it still doesn't work read the mga driver docs, try vesa |
| 07:32.04 | compguymac | Guerin: or to run as a server |
| 07:32.20 | Guerin | nkuttler: if (questiontype == "rhetorical") then (answer == "heh") |
| 07:32.32 | streuner | Guerin: heh :-) |
| 07:32.45 | robin | hmmm the phrase "reconfigure X" meaning "type some crap int he file" or the dpkg-reconfigure thing? |
| 07:32.51 | streuner | Guerin: you want do the job of mwilson now? :-) |
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| 07:32.53 | Guerin | robin: the latter |
| 07:32.59 | Guerin | streuner: no, fear. |
| 07:33.12 | bucky | no network and dpkg --purge apt |
| 07:33.18 | nkuttler | i like mwilson. he's entertaining. |
| 07:33.19 | snail | robin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 07:33.29 | robin | Guerin, syntax error .. answer = "heh" not == doh |
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| 07:33.34 | wireddd | robin: the latter and if that doesn't work then the former |
| 07:33.42 | Guerin | robin: heh |
| 07:33.44 | robin | 'k |
| 07:33.50 | bcc | do i need to call grub-install after changing things in menu.lst? |
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| 07:33.58 | nkuttler | bcc: no |
| 07:34.09 | compguymac | nkuttler: how do i reinstall gnome? |
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| 07:34.32 | nkuttler | compguymac: /msg dpkg remove gnome, /msg dpkg install gnome, and ask the channel |
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| 07:34.35 | bcc | nkuttler: ok, thanks. what if i don't have grub-set-default, how can i set it? |
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| 07:35.42 | nkuttler | bcc: read the docs |
| 07:35.48 | jm_ | bcc: there's already a bug submitted for this |
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| 07:36.40 | jm_ | quite old, but it still hasn't been dealt with |
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| 07:36.54 | jm_ | so grab it from upstream and stick it into /usr/local/sbin |
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| 07:38.12 | bcc | jm_: for what? absence of grub-set-default? |
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| 07:38.48 | nkuttler | bcc: why don't you set the default in menu.lst? |
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| 07:39.02 | isit-LoVe | have another question. i want to start an init.d script with another user at startup |
| 07:39.04 | bcc | nkuttler: i want to boot something once |
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| 07:40.09 | nkuttler | bcc: that doesn't really answer my question |
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| 07:40.34 | Guerin | isit-LoVe: there are ways of doing that. You run the init script as root, but it hands off to another user before running the actual program. Read /etc/init.d/README and skeleton |
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| 07:40.45 | wim | how do I put a symbolic link in fstab ? |
| 07:40.56 | Guerin | wim: you don't. |
| 07:41.09 | wim | Guerin I did it before .. |
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| 07:41.15 | streuner | hm |
| 07:41.22 | Guerin | wim: why? |
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| 07:41.23 | stew | !wayttd wim |
| 07:41.24 | wim | Guerin I waanna link /home/wim/foo to /PRIVATE/foo |
| 07:41.24 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, wim? |
| 07:41.36 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:41.36 | compguymac | when i use the command: install gnome it says too few arguments |
| 07:41.44 | wim | Guerin what ? |
| 07:41.52 | nkuttler | !tell compguymac about install gnome |
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| 07:41.55 | streuner | compguymac: apt-get install gnome? |
| 07:42.00 | Guerin | wim: hell, you just do what you like. |
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| 07:42.06 | stew | wim: ln -s /home/win/foo /PRIVATE/foo |
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| 07:42.14 | isit-LoVe | guerin: ty |
| 07:42.19 | compguymac | worry, im just not thinking |
| 07:42.22 | compguymac | got it :) |
| 07:42.25 | Guerin | because symlinks are a really good way to make things PRIVATE |
| 07:42.28 | jm_ | bcc: yes |
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| 07:42.46 | wim | stew but it has to link auto ... can I put it in fstab? |
| 07:42.59 | wim | Guerin hehe .. well the foo dir isn`t private |
| 07:42.59 | stew | wim: why fstab? |
| 07:43.09 | wim | stew so that it auto links at startup |
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| 07:43.12 | stew | wim: what I told you is permanant. is that not what you want? |
| 07:43.28 | wim | stew oh ok :D |
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| 07:43.35 | wim | stew and how do I undo ln's ? |
| 07:43.41 | Guerin | wim: which is why you're putting it in /PRIVATE |
| 07:43.41 | stew | rm |
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| 07:43.47 | Guerin | obviously |
| 07:44.17 | wim | stew if I rm the link dir it just deletes the link .. not the linked dir ? |
| 07:44.30 | stew | wim: yes |
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| 07:44.55 | CaT_MaNZZzz | I want to start a MAME (Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator) server. from where can I download the server and the client ? |
| 07:44.56 | ikool | what is better debian or ubuntu |
| 07:45.09 | stew | ikool: beer? |
| 07:45.14 | soulreaper | ask in ubuntu |
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| 07:45.26 | ikool | yeah i was thinkin, of havin a beer |
| 07:45.37 | wireddd | ikool: the answer is yes |
| 07:45.47 | wim | stew ok thnx :D |
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| 07:50.02 | lesshaste | is there any way to get xmms to allow me to play something in a .something directory? It doesn't seem to list them at a |
| 07:50.02 | wim | hmm ok user angelo is`t in group teleconsument .. user wim is .. if I chown a dir to angelo:teleconsument and chmod it 0760 the user wim can`t read or x .. hows that |
| 07:50.53 | wim | ? |
| 07:51.00 | nkuttler | wim: directories need to be +x to read them |
| 07:51.18 | wim | nkuttler but I +x them for the telecosument group wich wim is in |
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| 07:51.26 | jm_ | lesshaste: it does |
| 07:51.34 | nkuttler | wim: 760 is not g+x |
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| 07:52.08 | dealt | greetings |
| 07:52.29 | vird | how do i monitor the data transfer being carried out over a ppp link ? |
| 07:52.30 | dealt | does apt-get --reinstall install overwrites config file? |
| 07:52.38 | lesshaste | jm_: not on my system :) |
| 07:52.44 | wim | nkuttler ok .. but if it``s chowned for a group .. does the group permissions count so .. if I mod it 0760+x .. would it work ? |
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| 07:53.03 | jm_ | lesshaste: yes, on your system, you just need to know how to use it |
| 07:53.05 | nkuttler | wim: hm? |
| 07:53.16 | lesshaste | jm_: and... :) any help? |
| 07:53.17 | nkuttler | wim: chmod 770 dir |
| 07:53.31 | wim | nkuttler but they shouldn`t have full permissions |
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| 07:53.49 | kneet | lesshaste, I can get xmms to play if you specify the file via command line - but not via browse dir function (can't show hidden). I ended up moving the files |
| 07:53.50 | jm_ | lesshaste: go into the filename field, press . and tab |
| 07:53.54 | nkuttler | wim: man chmod... google unix permissions |
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| 07:54.37 | wim | nkuttler hehe ok |
| 07:54.37 | lesshaste | kneet: thx |
| 07:54.40 | lesshaste | jm_: ok thx |
| 07:54.43 | blah_ | aye... |
| 07:54.45 | eLen | Turkey |
| 07:54.52 | blah_ | where? |
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| 07:55.19 | lesshaste | that isn't possible with "play directory" though right? |
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| 07:55.28 | jm_ | play directory? |
| 07:55.43 | jm_ | ahh Add dir? no |
| 07:55.51 | eLen | doðrudur |
| 07:55.52 | lesshaste | shift+L |
| 07:56.02 | kneet | jm_, . and tab - that works (for add file) - thanks for that :) |
| 07:56.03 | nkuttler | !turkish |
| 07:56.04 | dpkg | i guess turkish is #turklug, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 07:56.10 | eLen | aynen öle |
| 07:56.11 | eLen | :) |
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| 07:57.26 | lesshaste | more importantly.. how do I get it to find the also plugin that I have installed.. It still says "failed to open audio output: ALSO 1.2.10 output plugin" |
| 07:57.31 | lesshaste | alsa |
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| 07:57.59 | matley | hi, i am upgrading testing (so sarge -> etch) and i get a conflict loopbreak related to e2fsprogs. Neither upgrade install dist-upgrade solved the problem |
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| 07:58.10 | SpinX | i'm sorry to bug again. I'm trying to install Qt 3.1 and it's the same about broken packages. I'm using security.debian.org. |
| 07:58.25 | nkuttler | matley: you're probably not running sarge |
| 07:58.37 | nkuttler | matley: bugs.debian.org/e2fsprogs |
| 07:58.49 | jm_ | lesshaste: might be a problem with permissions |
| 07:58.58 | stew | lesshaste: iirc: /msg dpkg loopbreak |
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| 07:59.11 | lesshaste | jm_: ok.. what do I need to check? |
| 08:01.07 | takatumi | stew: matley |
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| 08:01.38 | DotHack | matley: apt-get -o apt::force-loopbreak=true install e2fsprogs e2fslibs |
| 08:01.42 | jm_ | lesshaste: permissions? |
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| 08:01.53 | matley | DotHack: yeah, but that is odd |
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| 08:02.01 | lesshaste | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root |
| 08:02.03 | lesshaste | is that right? |
| 08:02.06 | lesshaste | for libALSA.so |
| 08:02.13 | dealt | how do i stop service in debian? |
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| 08:02.27 | Hyperlink | How do I configure where apt-get gets stuff? |
| 08:02.35 | nkuttler | dealt: /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 08:02.35 | Hyperlink | I want to use the big online database thingie. |
| 08:02.39 | streuner | Hyperlink: man sources.list |
| 08:02.40 | jm_ | lesshaste: no for your audio device files ... |
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| 08:02.57 | nkuttler | Hyperlink: try apt-setup |
| 08:02.58 | shingouz | Hyperlink: apt-setup |
| 08:03.26 | Hyperlink | :O |
| 08:03.26 | SpinX | i'm having issues installing KDE themes and with Qt. |
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| 08:03.32 | Hyperlink | You guys r0xx0r |
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| 08:03.41 | bcc | is /boot/map used by lilo or grub? |
| 08:03.53 | shingouz | lilo likes it |
| 08:04.00 | dealt | nkuttler: i mean startup service |
| 08:04.10 | nkuttler | dealt: man update-rc.d? |
| 08:04.17 | dealt | yes |
| 08:04.20 | shingouz | dealt: uninstall the service? |
| 08:04.21 | nkuttler | dealt: rcconf for a nice frontend |
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| 08:04.30 | lesshaste | jm_: no.. the error clearly seems to be something to do with the alsa plugin |
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| 08:04.39 | jm_ | lesshaste: well obviously |
| 08:04.40 | Hyperlink | How do I get apt-get to not check CDs AT ALL? |
| 08:04.52 | nkuttler | Hyperlink: man sources.list, remove them |
| 08:04.56 | shingouz | Hyperlink: man sources.list, apt-setup |
| 08:05.14 | jm_ | lesshaste: and alsa plugin obviously has to access the device files |
| 08:05.35 | SpinX | why does some packages in debian say is not going to be installed ? |
| 08:05.50 | lesshaste | should cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp work? |
| 08:05.53 | lesshaste | I get permission denied |
| 08:06.00 | jm_ | /dev/dsp is not ALSA device file |
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| 08:06.10 | jm_ | I told you you have a problem with permissions, but you keep ignoring me |
| 08:06.21 | lesshaste | no no.. I am just not sure which permissions to change or check |
| 08:06.36 | jm_ | !tell lesshaste -about audio |
| 08:06.54 | jm_ | read that, do what it says about modifying user |
| 08:07.19 | lesshaste | thx.. I suppose the thing is that I can play sound using mplayer -ao alsa |
| 08:07.38 | jm_ | that indicates permissions are OK |
| 08:07.42 | lesshaste | yep |
| 08:07.48 | lesshaste | unless it is xmms specific |
| 08:07.52 | Hyperlink | Yar. 50 page manual. Thanks :-) |
| 08:08.05 | jm_ | check the options for ALSA output plugin and which device it uses |
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| 08:08.26 | matley | ok maybe i solved. instead of testing(sarge) -> etch. i am doing testing(sarge) DU-> stable(sarge) DU-> testing(etch) |
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| 08:08.43 | matley | thx a lot all |
| 08:08.52 | bibe | hi all. How can I manage to keep a local mirror of security.debian.org using debmirror? I am trying to avoid repeated downloads from security.d.o (I already have a local sarge mirror here at work) |
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| 08:09.33 | SpinX | http://pastebin.com/370735 is the message. |
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| 08:10.32 | bibe | I currently have @dists="sarge", @sections="main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free" and @arches="i386" in my /etc/debmirror.conf, but I don't know what parameters to add to get security updates |
| 08:10.41 | dealt | shingouz: took me while to reply, sorry. yep, uninstall service |
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| 08:11.07 | SpinX | can someone please help me. |
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| 08:11.22 | nkuttler | dealt: apt-get remove it? |
| 08:11.22 | dealt | nkuttler: rcconf? tnx |
| 08:12.10 | metaperl | I remove apache2 but /etc/apache2 was still on my machine, I manually moved it to my homedir. Then I typed apt-get remove apache2; apt-get install apache2 but it did not re-create /etc/apache2... any ideas why? |
| 08:12.34 | jm_ | metaperl: read the FAQ |
| 08:12.49 | dealt | nkuttler: u have a point. thanks |
| 08:12.52 | metaperl | jm_: which FAQ? |
| 08:13.04 | jm_ | metaperl: read the topic |
| 08:13.10 | nkuttler | SpinX: are you running sarge? |
| 08:13.18 | SpinX | debian 3.1 |
| 08:13.20 | bibe | metaperl : try apt-get remove --purge, verify if the /etc/apache2 still exists, then apt-get install apache2 |
| 08:13.21 | SpinX | yeah |
| 08:13.34 | nkuttler | SpinX: does a apt-get -f install do something? |
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| 08:13.44 | SpinX | no |
| 08:13.47 | SpinX | says 51 not upgraded |
| 08:14.27 | nkuttler | SpinX: sounds like messed sources.list to me |
| 08:14.30 | lesshaste | jm_: apologies... I can't play sound at all any more which is mysterious as all I did was reboot... am fixing it |
| 08:14.39 | jm_ | lesshaste: ;) |
| 08:14.39 | SpinX | nksen: I just ran apt-setup again. |
| 08:14.46 | nkuttler | SpinX: join #flood |
| 08:14.49 | SpinX | k |
| 08:15.02 | jm_ | lesshaste: how are you fixing it? |
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| 08:16.17 | liable | grr, a 54Mb connection and my wireless card tops out when i scp or rsync to another machine, only getting 160kB/s doing that. when the other day i got ~4mB/s and i cant work out what the hell is causing it. |
| 08:16.41 | Guerin | liable: plain ftp or nfs or http same? |
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| 08:17.03 | jm_ | scp ;) |
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| 08:17.31 | blah_ | everything is slow on the internet |
| 08:17.36 | Guerin | blah_: not true. |
| 08:17.44 | metaperl | man apt-get does not make it clear that --purge should follow remove... and why is there not pkg name in your command above bibe? |
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| 08:17.49 | blah_ | local networks > internet |
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| 08:18.09 | Guerin | blah_: Rate: 955.5 |
| 08:18.15 | Guerin | blah_: my internet |
| 08:18.29 | blah_ | 955.5bps? |
| 08:18.40 | dealt | why is it that default runlevel is 2? |
| 08:18.44 | zxsykco | Gloating Gloater you!! |
| 08:18.48 | Guerin | blah_: k bytes |
| 08:18.53 | Guerin | zxsykco: that's me. |
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| 08:19.11 | Guerin | dealt: because it's the lowest which is not alternately purposed. |
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| 08:19.25 | blah_ | aye... still slow |
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| 08:19.40 | zxsykco | How's your hardware lookin' Senior Grande Pantelones? |
| 08:19.50 | dealt | i think i messed up my window manager, it wont start at boot |
| 08:19.51 | Guerin | blah_: a meg per second isn't too bad ... considering I'm capping it at 1000KB/s |
| 08:19.58 | liable | Guerin: this is locally, havent tried ftp, thing is, firefox times out when i am copying, so its not the other machine thats the bottleneck, gonna try wired, see what happens there. thing that has me stumped is the damn thing was fine the other day. |
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| 08:20.13 | dealt | and running startx after wont work too |
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| 08:20.20 | zxsykco | What's under the hood Guerin? |
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| 08:20.39 | Guerin | zxsykco: that machine? cel500 with 64MB |
| 08:20.41 | lesshaste | jm_: fixing permissions :) |
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| 08:20.46 | jm_ | lesshaste: do not do that |
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| 08:21.05 | Guerin | dealt: what error? |
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| 08:22.14 | lesshaste | how can I refresh group membership without having to log out of X? |
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| 08:22.19 | dealt | lots of warnings for font renderer that was already registered |
| 08:22.21 | Guerin | newgrp |
| 08:22.21 | jm_ | man newgrp |
| 08:22.36 | dealt | Guerin: lots of warnings for font renderer that was already registered |
| 08:22.38 | Guerin | dealt: don't care about those. lines starting with (EE) in the log |
| 08:22.51 | lesshaste | thx! |
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| 08:23.20 | Guerin | !thx |
| 08:23.20 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 08:23.20 | yam | I have two machines, identical servers, identical debian installation, but when I run bonnie++ tests, one servers uses more cpu (in the range of 15-20% more)... it doesnt make sense, does it? |
| 08:23.31 | debian_newbie88 | Any body help me about squid? |
| 08:23.37 | Guerin | dealt: man squid |
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| 08:24.14 | Guerin | debian_newbie88: ^^^ |
| 08:24.20 | dealt | Guerin: Sypnatics Touchpad no sypnatics touchpad detected and no repeater device.. |
| 08:24.34 | debian_newbie88 | When I use squid on web browser I see "The cache administrator does not allow this cache to make direct connections to origin servers, and" |
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| 08:24.39 | dealt | Guerin: PreInit failed for input device Sypnatics Touchpad |
| 08:24.42 | SpinX | with 721 people in the room. i'd say so :P |
| 08:24.49 | Evil_Devil | hi |
| 08:24.49 | Evil_Devil | How can i do a connection limit on debian sarge with iptables all seting are default. I tried "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3636 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 3 -j REJECT" but it says "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" |
| 08:24.51 | jm_ | this isn't a room |
| 08:25.05 | debian_newbie88 | and Access.conf see "1127375692.874 240342 192.168.202.111 TCP_MISS/504 1399 GET http://www.google.c om/ - NONE/- text/html" |
| 08:25.19 | Guerin | debian_newbie88: #squid |
| 08:25.25 | Gnea | jm_: the idea is similar enough |
| 08:25.27 | SpinX | chat room, channel. which ever.. |
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| 08:25.42 | debian_newbie88 | I go to squid everybody quite. |
| 08:25.45 | Gnea | Evil_Devil: needs the -ng, not sure how to set that up in debian yet tho... |
| 08:25.52 | debian_newbie88 | 5555+ |
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| 08:26.19 | Gnea | Evil_Devil: er, the patch-o-matic-ng |
| 08:26.24 | lesshaste | jm_: I wasn't in the right group.. all working now :) |
| 08:26.24 | lesshaste | thx |
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| 08:26.30 | Guerin | debian_newbie88: wait. |
| 08:26.41 | dealt | Guerin: isnt it because gdm isnt running? |
| 08:26.45 | jm_ | lesshaste: sure, common thing, that's why it's in FAQ |
| 08:26.46 | Guerin | dealt: no. |
| 08:26.46 | debian_newbie88 | ok |
| 08:26.48 | Evil_Devil | but then i have to recompile the kernel right |
| 08:26.58 | Gnea | probably |
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| 08:27.15 | Gnea | haven't had much time to do it lately |
| 08:27.29 | lesshaste | jm_: what isn't in the FAQ is my unrivalled in competence in settings group membership |
| 08:27.30 | ravie | hello angels |
| 08:27.42 | Gnea | angels? |
| 08:27.45 | lesshaste | jm_: I really thought I had just added a group but I seem to have deleted some without realising! |
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| 08:27.52 | jm_ | lesshaste: that's in FAQ too, it tells you how to add a suer to a group |
| 08:27.55 | jm_ | an user |
| 08:27.59 | lesshaste | jm_: :) |
| 08:28.08 | dealt | Guerin: here's wat i did before I messed up: modified entrance config file..reboot..entrance crash..reset |
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| 08:28.19 | Guerin | dealt: wtf is entrance? |
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| 08:28.34 | Gnea | Guerin: it's a dm |
| 08:28.37 | dealt | Guerin: apt-get remove entrance..modified /etc/X11/default-window-manager...reset |
| 08:28.39 | Guerin | dealt: what windowmanager do you want to use? |
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| 08:28.48 | dealt | Guerin: enlightenment |
| 08:28.56 | Guerin | dealt: default-display-manager, you mean |
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| 08:29.03 | Gnea | dealt: wait - you want e16 or e17? |
| 08:29.06 | dealt | Guerin: yea |
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| 08:29.29 | dealt | Gnea: im already using e17..everythings working yesterday..entrance->enlightenment |
| 08:29.40 | Guerin | dealt: exec /usr/bin/enlightenment in xsession works for me |
| 08:29.54 | Gnea | dealt: cool, so what's wrong with entrance? |
| 08:30.31 | dealt | Gnea: there were times that it wont load enlightenment and falls back to gnome, so i checked it's conf file |
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| 08:31.04 | hackeron | Hey, I have 1.5gb of ram and the default kernel only makes use of 800 or so MB, is there an official kernel with 4GB of ram support so I dont have to compile my own? |
| 08:31.09 | Gnea | dealt: i have had the same problem, even recompiled and it did the same thing, so i said screw it and went back to gdm |
| 08:31.38 | dealt | Gnea: that's wat im trying to do. but now gdm won't start at boot |
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| 08:31.50 | metaperl | thanks for the pointer to the FAQ. It turns out that apache2-common needed to be purged... the awk line said only purge files with rc status but apache2-common has "ii" but it still needed purging |
| 08:31.52 | Guerin | so don't bother with a dm |
| 08:32.02 | Gnea | dealt: why not? |
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| 08:32.29 | jm_ | metaperl: that's because FAQ entry talks about uninstalled packages, I hope you have learned something from this |
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| 08:33.01 | metaperl | jm_: yes, I did... |
| 08:33.02 | dealt | Gnea: still discovering. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start works though. im on enlightenment right now |
| 08:33.07 | litage | if `jobs -l` returns nothing, does that mean there are no jobs running? |
| 08:33.21 | Gnea | dealt: try: update-rc.d -f gdm defaults |
| 08:33.26 | jm_ | metaperl: ok, let's hear if it's what you should have learned ;) |
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| 08:33.37 | metaperl | the dependencies are kind of odd if removing apache2 doesnt remove apache-common |
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| 08:33.59 | dealt | Gnea: this is wat i used with entrance: 'update-rc.d entrance start 99 2 3 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 6 .' |
| 08:34.01 | jm_ | no, the point is to not fuck up with packaging system by moving files arround randomly |
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| 08:34.10 | metaperl | config files are not normally removed when a package is removed unless you supply the --purge (and possibly the --force-all) option |
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| 08:34.20 | metaperl | thus summarizeth my learning |
| 08:34.25 | dealt | Gnea: and that's wat i did a while ago with gdm and it says that a symnlink alreaady exist |
| 08:34.25 | dondelelcaro | gah. NEVER USE --force-all |
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| 08:34.49 | jm_ | you don't need force options to remove config files |
| 08:34.51 | Gnea | dealt: no need to get that elaborate: update-rc.d -f entrance defaults <-- same thing, basically (and sanely) |
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| 08:34.58 | liable_ | hrm, ok back to 6MB/s on wired ethernet.. |
| 08:35.02 | Gnea | dealt: then gdm probably isn't set as the defautl display manager |
| 08:35.04 | dondelelcaro | if you think you need to use --force-all, figure out the specific --force option that you actually need to use and *ONLY* use that option |
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| 08:35.18 | dealt | Gnea: im not quite familiar with update-rc.d (i know chkconfig) the numbers have something to do with the runlevels right? |
| 08:35.20 | liable_ | now how to diagnose this damn wireless card.. |
| 08:35.39 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: i said -f, not --force-all |
| 08:35.42 | trwww | I need expat on a machine that says it is Debian 2.4.18-1-k7. Is doing an "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" safe? (Newer Kernel?) |
| 08:36.11 | jm_ | what does expat have to do with kernel? |
| 08:36.20 | Guerin | trwww: bringing it up to sarge should be safe, yeah. |
| 08:36.21 | dealt | Gnea: using bum, entrance enable, gdm disabled, tsk... |
| 08:36.26 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: heh; --force-all isn't even a valid option for update-rc.d... was talking about what was said 20 lines ago or so |
| 08:36.48 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: there's a really cute girl working at a subshop :P |
| 08:36.58 | dealt | Gnea: is it ok if i'll just remove entrance's symnlink in etc/rc2.d/? |
| 08:37.02 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: you're obviously distracted |
| 08:37.03 | sanxiyn | trwww: What does kernel have to do with expat ?! |
| 08:37.12 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: i'm good at that |
| 08:37.20 | dondelelcaro | (at 2:30 in the morning at the subshop?) |
| 08:37.34 | Gnea | dealt: that should be fine, or just update-rc.d -f entrance remove |
| 08:37.49 | dealt | Gnea: great! thanks |
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| 08:37.50 | Gnea | 1:30am, and no, this was hours ago |
| 08:38.02 | Gnea | dealt: np |
| 08:38.03 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: ah, my bad... thought for some reason you were in the mountain timezone |
| 08:38.08 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:38.14 | Gnea | naw, i'm in az timezone |
| 08:38.17 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 08:38.17 | Gnea | lol |
| 08:38.23 | Gnea | it's so weird |
| 08:38.40 | Gnea | there's no observance of daylight savings here |
| 08:38.53 | dondelelcaro | yeah, we won't talk about the navajo reservation that has a smaller reservation inside of it. |
| 08:39.05 | Gnea | heh |
| 08:39.05 | dondelelcaro | (if you want to get even more insane) |
| 08:39.15 | trwww | sudo apt-get -f install expat has a dependency that boils up to the kernel ( I think ). |
| 08:39.32 | Guerin | trwww: why -f? |
| 08:39.40 | dondelelcaro | it's bad when you can change you watch 4 times while driving a short distance in a straight line. |
| 08:39.40 | jm_ | no way |
| 08:39.53 | Gnea | i did a pretty good job of hitting my limits of insanity years ago, i'd rather just be an ignorant fuck |
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| 08:40.08 | trwww | apt-get install said to try it. Im new to apt-get, used to yum and rpm |
| 08:40.12 | sanxiyn | trwww: But expat has nothing to do with Kernel anyway. |
| 08:40.33 | sanxiyn | trwww: Do apt-get -f install (without any package name following), and fix issues. |
| 08:40.38 | sanxiyn | trwww: That's unrelated to expat. |
| 08:40.39 | Guerin | trwww: ok. -f is for when things are broken and need --fix ing |
| 08:40.49 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: i have a satellite tell my timepiece when the zone changes |
| 08:41.01 | Guerin | probably that some things are in from testing or unstable |
| 08:41.43 | liable | !test |
| 08:41.43 | dpkg | No, liable, you're not online any more. |
| 08:42.14 | trwww | okay, its not the kernel Im worried about, its glib |
| 08:42.21 | sanxiyn | Nonsense. |
| 08:42.33 | sanxiyn | (expat doesn't use glib. Actually, only dependency of expat is libc.) |
| 08:43.09 | jm_ | and libexpat ;) |
| 08:43.41 | sanxiyn | trwww: You can paste output of "apt-get -f install" run at http://debian.pastebin.com/ |
| 08:45.00 | trwww | let me look... its a production box, and my inexperience has me a little worried. Thanks for the help. |
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| 08:49.02 | trwww | http://debian.pastebin.com/370751 |
| 08:49.47 | trwww | I wonder if upgrading the libc6 will be trouble for the existing packages that use an older libc |
| 08:49.55 | trwww | ? |
| 08:50.21 | sanxiyn | trwww: I don't think so... |
| 08:50.27 | liable | !test |
| 08:50.27 | dpkg | Sorry, liable, I didn't get your test. |
| 08:50.28 | liable | !test |
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| 08:52.11 | Guerin | upgrading libc6 could cause all packages which depend on it to be upgraded |
| 08:52.19 | Guerin | it all depends on the version before and after |
| 08:52.34 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Apparently, APT doesn't try to, from the paste. |
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| 08:52.49 | Guerin | sanxiyn: nice. |
| 08:52.54 | dondelelcaro | trwww: if it was, they should conflict with the new libc6 version. |
| 08:53.05 | Guerin | trwww: you dodge a big bullet :) |
| 08:53.08 | dondelelcaro | (or libc6's abi sould have changed) |
| 08:53.09 | Guerin | dodgeD |
| 08:53.30 | trwww | I'm at 2.4.18-1-k7 and it dosent appear to have been actively updated. |
| 08:53.58 | sanxiyn | trwww: Which distribution are you using |
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| 08:54.11 | trwww | from the little reading I've done, thats a decently sized upgrade, no? |
| 08:54.40 | sanxiyn | trwww: Eh... paste /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 08:54.48 | trwww | sure... |
| 08:54.57 | Guerin | trwww: you should notice minimal difference moving to the most recent 2.4 kernel in debian |
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| 08:55.56 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 08:56.04 | kikinovak | Hi. I need to update my BIOS. Spent the last two hours reading docs about this, went to my constructor's site, but before doing that, I have a few questions. Would anyone be so kind to offer 5 min for help? |
| 08:56.06 | amorphix | how do you update the aliases file after you make a change? |
| 08:56.20 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: which aliases file? |
| 08:56.23 | amorphix | *file ~ db |
| 08:56.24 | trwww | http://debian.pastebin.com/370763 |
| 08:56.34 | amorphix | this one: /etc/aliases |
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| 08:57.07 | sanxiyn | amorphix: newaliases? |
| 08:57.08 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: depends on your MTA; for sendmail, you just go sendmail -bi (or run make in /etc/mail); for other MTAs a reload may be necessary. |
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| 08:57.21 | amorphix | okay thanks |
| 08:57.56 | aurax | anyone here from london? |
| 08:58.33 | amorphix | aurax im from UK but not london |
| 08:58.41 | aurax | i got a job in the uk |
| 08:58.41 | aurax | tiny one |
| 08:58.43 | aurax | in london |
| 08:58.46 | amorphix | cool |
| 08:58.50 | sanxiyn | trwww: Was it a woody box? |
| 08:58.54 | aurax | can u get there? |
| 08:58.59 | amorphix | sorry i cant |
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| 08:59.01 | aurax | i wont fly for 100bux |
| 08:59.01 | aurax | lol |
| 08:59.06 | amorphix | hehe |
| 08:59.07 | sanxiyn | trwww: I think you're meeting woody->sarge upgrade... |
| 08:59.44 | trwww | Guerin: it is a http and mail server (I believe). The httpds are custom built and exempt from the upgrade process. If those functions are excluded in the "minimal" part of the difference, I'm good to go :) |
| 08:59.45 | dondelelcaro | aurax: if you need someone in london, you probably should try looking on the consultants page at debian.org/consultants |
| 09:00.16 | sanxiyn | trwww: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:00.37 | aurax | dondelelcaro i dont need debian expert |
| 09:00.59 | amorphix | hi streunder |
| 09:01.07 | trwww | sanxiyn: 3.0 |
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| 09:01.13 | jm_ | that's why I don't use words like "stable" in sources.list - it's too easy to forget and you get bitten when new version of Debian comes out - would be better if default sources.list isn't like that |
| 09:01.23 | amorphix | streuner: hello |
| 09:01.39 | streuner | hi |
| 09:01.42 | amorphix | jm_ yes quite |
| 09:01.49 | sanxiyn | trwww: Okay, don't upgrade, just not yet. |
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| 09:02.35 | sanxiyn | trwww: Read and follow http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 09:02.40 | dondelelcaro | jm_: the default sources.list is like that because changing it to specify the codename instead would require a change right before the release... that causes all sorts of wierd probelms. |
| 09:02.44 | dondelelcaro | s/el/le/ |
| 09:03.27 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: I understand why it is like that, and I know what to do to prevent it, was more an observation than an actual complaint |
| 09:03.29 | trwww | sanxiyn: thats what I came here for. Google wasnt much help. Thank you so much. |
| 09:03.53 | dondelelcaro | jm_: right |
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| 09:04.34 | trwww | (google wasnt much help because I didnt know the codenames) |
| 09:05.36 | jm_ | trwww: you don't need to know them, packages.debian.org would help figure out where the versions are coming from |
| 09:05.48 | Dewi | jm_: hmm. Actually I want the "latest" stuff for whatever stream I'm running. I think the default is better. |
| 09:05.59 | Dewi | jm_: I seem to remember the defaults used to name releases, way back when. I liked it less. |
| 09:06.02 | jm_ | Dewi: sure, it depends on indivudal needs |
| 09:06.06 | trwww | jm_: them? |
| 09:06.12 | jm_ | trwww: code names |
| 09:06.52 | sanxiyn | trwww: Well, upgrading from one release to another (dist-upgrade) is supposed to happen rarely. |
| 09:07.10 | sanxiyn | If you have complex set-up, set aside a day... |
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| 09:07.47 | vespoli | hello |
| 09:07.51 | trwww | sanxiyn: I understand, but this is what I was given to work with. |
| 09:07.53 | V12 | hi |
| 09:08.00 | sanxiyn | trwww: Aha. |
| 09:08.09 | sanxiyn | trwww: I wish you all the good luck. |
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| 09:08.22 | trwww | trwww: its at a colo, so upgrading would involve someone else |
| 09:08.28 | vespoli | where can I download the very latest, feature-packed, version of debian ? |
| 09:08.35 | vespoli | I seem to only be finding stable releases |
| 09:08.35 | sanxiyn | vespoli: ... |
| 09:08.35 | trwww | thanks for the great info, though |
| 09:08.40 | vespoli | :P |
| 09:08.43 | trwww | it is GREATLY appreciated |
| 09:08.51 | sanxiyn | trwww: No problem. But do read the release note. |
| 09:08.55 | Dewi | vespoli: if you run the installer in expert mode, you get to choose |
| 09:09.03 | trwww | sanxiyn: definitely |
| 09:09.05 | sanxiyn | trwww: (I was beaten by doc-base issue mentioned there. :( Don't do that.) |
| 09:09.08 | vespoli | the net installer ? |
| 09:09.29 | vespoli | do I download the Official netinst images for the "stable" release |
| 09:09.35 | Dewi | vespoli: unless you want to risk running an unstable installer (which never works for me), you'll always begin with basically a stable core |
| 09:09.40 | vespoli | :-/ |
| 09:09.40 | vespoli | k |
| 09:09.56 | Dewi | vespoli: the installer in expert mode will invite you to specify a testing/unstable sources list |
| 09:10.27 | Dewi | vespoli: if you really want you could run a more recent installer than the sarge netinst, but as I said, I've tried like 3 of these and none worked |
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| 09:10.35 | vespoli | allright |
| 09:10.35 | trwww | and like I say becuase of my inexperience I didnt know if I was a release behind or not |
| 09:10.42 | Dewi | but with netinst you only install a minimum of packages anyway |
| 09:10.53 | sanxiyn | trwww: Now you know :-) You are a release behind. |
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| 09:11.05 | vespoli | so if I want pretty rescent stuff that works, I should get the unstable packages? |
| 09:11.14 | sanxiyn | vespoli: testing. |
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| 09:11.16 | Dewi | vespoli: unstable is unstable |
| 09:11.19 | sanxiyn | (since, you said, "that works") |
| 09:11.22 | trwww | thanks agian everyone. goodbye. |
| 09:11.28 | vespoli | ... |
| 09:11.29 | _fullservicecook | what's the command to install postgres8 out of unstable? apt-get -t unstable install postgres doesn't work... |
| 09:11.31 | Dewi | vespoli: I like testing myself, but it breaks slightly from time to time. |
| 09:11.48 | vespoli | isn't stable stuff really old? |
| 09:11.52 | nkuttler | vespoli: no |
| 09:11.53 | Dewi | not yet. |
| 09:11.57 | vespoli | I used to use woody and that was 200 years old |
| 09:12.00 | Dewi | july or something |
| 09:12.07 | nkuttler | vespoli: sarge was released not long ago |
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| 09:12.08 | _fullservicecook | anyopne know? |
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| 09:12.20 | Dewi | _fullservicecook: apt-cache search postgres |
| 09:12.20 | Dewi | ? |
| 09:12.27 | sanxiyn | _fullservicecook: Package name is postgresql-8.0 |
| 09:12.28 | Orfeous | is it possible to setup a virtual network interface and bind it to a specific ip? |
| 09:12.31 | nkuttler | _fullservicecook: why do you want an unstable postgres? |
| 09:12.32 | _fullservicecook | thank you Dewi. |
| 09:12.35 | vespoli | allright, so you would recommend me to use the stable packages....... |
| 09:12.39 | _fullservicecook | and sanxiyn |
| 09:12.39 | Orfeous | just for monitoring |
| 09:12.48 | nkuttler | vespoli: yes |
| 09:12.50 | EdLin | vespoli: Sarge was released less than six months ago, Debian got the "old software" reputation from when stable was over 3 years old (woody) |
| 09:12.57 | vespoli | ahhhhhhhhh |
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| 09:13.00 | sanxiyn | nkuttler: Since 8.0 is not in stable. |
| 09:13.03 | vespoli | yes true very true |
| 09:13.12 | Dewi | vespoli: depends how much you like fixing broken stuff. Testing had some breakages the other day. |
| 09:13.32 | nkuttler | EdLin: oh, really, people already said debian was outdated when potato was the release |
| 09:13.33 | Dewi | vespoli: well, it remains to be seen how long it takes for etch to go stable. |
| 09:13.40 | _fullservicecook | apt-get install postgresql-8.0 |
| 09:13.40 | _fullservicecook | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 09:13.40 | _fullservicecook | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 09:13.40 | _fullservicecook | E: Couldn't find package postgresql-8.0 |
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| 09:13.50 | _fullservicecook | sorry |
| 09:13.50 | Dewi | nkuttler: debian has been taking years to release ever since I can remember |
| 09:13.55 | sanxiyn | _fullservicecook: Get it from testing... |
| 09:14.00 | EdLin | nkuttler: potato took a while 'till the next release too |
| 09:14.09 | _fullservicecook | thank you. I'm just learning apt |
| 09:14.17 | sanxiyn | _fullservicecook: Unfortunately, PostgreSQL 8.0 didn't make it into Sarge. |
| 09:14.22 | nkuttler | _fullservicecook: why do you need 8.0? check backports.org |
| 09:14.41 | _fullservicecook | I've had some really good experiences with it, and love it's point in time recovery. |
| 09:14.48 | EdLin | nkuttler: etch though probably will take less time, there's been a lot of improvements in release engineering. |
| 09:15.10 | Dewi | _fullservicecook: just beware that if you start throwing testing/unstable packages into sarge you might find it pulls way more dependancies than you hoped |
| 09:15.21 | sanxiyn | EdLin: Let's hope... |
| 09:15.21 | Dewi | _fullservicecook: and your whole system might start looking like testing/unstable |
| 09:15.29 | Dewi | _fullservicecook: and it'll be a bit of a frankenstein |
| 09:15.39 | nkuttler | EdLin: we'll see. though i don't really care because i never needed more than 5 backports |
| 09:15.43 | _fullservicecook | Wow, thanks. That's actually not something I'd considered. |
| 09:15.44 | Dewi | _fullservicecook: backports might save you from that risk, so I suggest looking into that |
| 09:15.58 | _fullservicecook | yea, backports.org doesn't have a postgres8 package. |
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| 09:16.16 | Dewi | I'd check the dependancies list for the testing/unstable postgres8 before you dive in |
| 09:16.18 | nkuttler | _fullservicecook: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:16.21 | Doe | hi back again |
| 09:16.21 | _fullservicecook | I've been running it in production on gentoo for the last couple of months without a problem. And I have it also up for a few clients on CentOS, and it seems pretty stable. |
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| 09:16.39 | sanxiyn | _fullservicecook: Sure, PostgreSQL 8 is stable. |
| 09:17.10 | sanxiyn | But mixing stable and testing probably isn't good idea, especially after libc upgrade. |
| 09:17.11 | Doe | i have the following problem when i run: ./generate-modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 09:17.21 | _fullservicecook | nkuttler, that command doesn't work. |
| 09:17.24 | EdLin | _fullservicecook: ICYDK, apt-get.org has a searchable list of backports. |
| 09:17.31 | _fullservicecook | I think I agree with you sanxiyn. |
| 09:17.32 | Doe | i get: modprobe: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 09:17.33 | nkuttler | _fullservicecook: which one? |
| 09:17.39 | Dewi | _fullservicecook: it's an irc command, not bash |
| 09:17.39 | Doe | can anybody help me a little ? |
| 09:17.40 | _fullservicecook | I mean, this application can "get by" without it... |
| 09:17.51 | _fullservicecook | If debian has problems (frankenstein), I'd rather have stability. |
| 09:17.53 | nkuttler | Doe: install module-init-tools |
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| 09:18.06 | _fullservicecook | Having a slow start today, sorry. |
| 09:18.06 | Doe | nkuttler: i have |
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| 09:18.17 | nkuttler | Doe: hm |
| 09:18.21 | sanxiyn | _fullservicecook: Try recompile in Sarge. |
| 09:18.25 | Doe | ohterwise i wouldn't have the script |
| 09:18.34 | _fullservicecook | You mean from source? |
| 09:18.38 | sanxiyn | Yup. |
| 09:18.41 | nkuttler | Doe: which script? |
| 09:18.48 | cahoot | is modprobe.conf still a valid entity - in sarge and later+ |
| 09:18.53 | sanxiyn | _fullservicecook: That's what /msg dpkg simple sid backport says... |
| 09:18.55 | Orfeous | is it possible? |
| 09:18.55 | Doe | debian sarge / etch |
| 09:18.57 | _fullservicecook | Not a bad idea. I do have a testing system here. Thanks guys, the advice is really awesome in this channel. |
| 09:19.27 | Dewi | Doe: is your kernel version somehow mismatched? |
| 09:19.49 | Doe | nkuttler: ./generate-modprobe.conf |
| 09:19.59 | Doe | Dewi: no not that i know |
| 09:20.10 | nkuttler | Doe: did you build your own kernel? |
| 09:20.32 | Doe | yeps |
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| 09:20.45 | Dewi | did you compile in QM_MODULES support? :P |
| 09:20.50 | nkuttler | Doe: i'd guess you did something wrong, like missing module support etc |
| 09:21.07 | Doe | i have modules compiled in |
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| 09:21.23 | nkuttler | Doe: yes, but do you have module support? |
| 09:21.29 | Dewi | nkuttler: would running a strace help him determine where that failure is coming from? |
| 09:21.38 | nkuttler | Dewi: let him try |
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| 09:21.54 | Doe | yeps i have |
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| 09:22.59 | Doe | nkuttler: ? |
| 09:23.02 | sanxiyn | shit, ld is killing me |
| 09:23.42 | blah_ | ld is nothing |
| 09:23.46 | vespoli | gah I am trying to burn a debian install CD from knoppix |
| 09:23.47 | Doe | can i paste a part of my .config ? |
| 09:23.51 | nkuttler | Doe: grep CONFIG_MODULES /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 09:23.57 | vespoli | anybody here remember how to mount knoppix |
| 09:24.06 | Doe | nkuttler: where cani paste it ? |
| 09:24.08 | nkuttler | vespoli: mount it? |
| 09:24.10 | vespoli | so I can take the CD out |
| 09:24.13 | vespoli | and burn debian >:D |
| 09:24.16 | nkuttler | Doe: that grep should be one line |
| 09:24.30 | Doe | i just did cat .config |less |
| 09:24.37 | Dewi | if I add a new HD to my system, will it get a mount point automagically? |
| 09:24.43 | nkuttler | hm, i don't do 2.6, so i can't check |
| 09:25.04 | vespoli | allright |
| 09:25.12 | vespoli | my last distro , ubuntu, exploded |
| 09:25.17 | vespoli | with a fiery crash |
| 09:25.24 | nkuttler | vespoli: 1. off-topic, 2. i don't think it's possible |
| 09:25.33 | Doe | nkuttler: CONFIG_MODULES=y |
| 09:25.37 | vespoli | k |
| 09:25.41 | Dewi | vespoli: it'll be dangerous |
| 09:25.41 | nkuttler | Doe: then i have no idea |
| 09:25.43 | Pfated | Dewi: Not a mount point, no. You'd likely have to add /mnt/external or something on your own. It'll likely get /dev/hdb or whatever, though. Which isn't a mount point. |
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| 09:25.52 | Doe | *cry* |
| 09:26.04 | nkuttler | Doe: use 2.4 |
| 09:26.17 | Doe | i went from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 09:26.19 | jm_ | Doe: are you the feller from earlier today? |
| 09:26.21 | Pfated | Doe: What seems to be the problem? Try installing module-init-tools. |
| 09:26.33 | Doe | yeps jm_ |
| 09:26.37 | jm_ | I told you yopu don't have module-init-tools installed about 3 hours ago |
| 09:26.40 | Doe | i did pfaded |
| 09:26.43 | jm_ | !+qm_modules |
| 09:26.43 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or if you are using woody you must upgrade to sarge to use a 2.6 kernel, ask me about woody->sarge |
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| 09:27.19 | blah_ | great work it is... |
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| 09:27.33 | Doe | jm_: module-init-tools is already the newest version. |
| 09:27.53 | jm_ | Doe: in that case it's impossible to get QM_MODULES error |
| 09:28.02 | Dewi | Pfated: if I had the option, I'd "extend /home onto the new disk". I'm not sure whether such a wish makes sense though... what would be the normal convention for naming a secondary drive which had auxilliary storage for /home? |
| 09:28.25 | Pfated | Dewi: Hmm. I'd make a dir called /home/secondary and mount it there. |
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| 09:28.37 | jm_ | Doe: purge it, reinstall it |
| 09:28.44 | Doe | jm_: iget it when i run the script: ./generate-modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.conf |
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| 09:28.52 | cahoot | jm_: is modprobe.conf still a valid entity - in sarge and later? |
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| 09:29.13 | Doe | cahoot: afaik it is |
| 09:29.16 | Pfated | Dewi: And give everyone permissions to write to in under assorted subdirectories there, I suppose. I'm not sure if you can trivially extend partitions across disks that way. Why not just have /mnt/extraspace and tell people to write to that if /home runs out? |
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| 09:29.18 | jm_ | cahoot: it is if you run 2.4 kernel (but for 2.6 it's modprobe.d) |
| 09:29.25 | cahoot | right |
| 09:29.27 | jm_ | Doe: what the hell is ./generate-modprobe.conf? |
| 09:29.57 | Dewi | Pfated: fair enough. Do I have to mount the root of the FS, or can I mount a directory? |
| 09:30.02 | Pfated | Dewi: I presume you're trying to create extra storage space for your users? |
| 09:30.27 | Doe | jm_: Now translate your old /etc/modules.conf into /etc/modprobe.conf with the ./generate-modprobe.conf script that comes with module-init-tools: |
| 09:30.48 | Dewi | Pfated: yeah, basically. There will be a lot of shared stuff. I've just never operated a unix with directories outside the normal list |
| 09:31.14 | Pfated | Dewi: If that's the case, I suggest the following: format the drive and create an ext3, or whatever your preferred FS is, on it, then copy existing homedirs over, and mount it on /home. To everyone else, it should look like they're writing to /home/username, while they're really writing to /username on the new hdd. |
| 09:31.25 | Pfated | Dewi: It just seems cleaner that way, no? |
| 09:31.26 | Pfated | :) |
| 09:31.42 | Dewi | Pfated: except that the new disk is hardly any bigger than my current home |
| 09:31.45 | jm_ | Doe: why would anyone do that? |
| 09:31.59 | Pfated | Dewi: Ah, I see. In which case, /home/secondary, I suppose. |
| 09:32.06 | jm_ | Doe: the script itself says "Don't trust it too much." -- don't bother with it |
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| 09:32.14 | Doe | like it says to translate modules.conf to modprobe.conf |
| 09:32.27 | Dewi | Pfated: if the new disk's ext3 FS had /foo and /bar, could I mount them to separate locations off my root? |
| 09:32.30 | Pfated | Dewi: If it's shared, even better, because then you don't have to bother with permissions and stuffs. |
| 09:32.33 | ricksoft | Anyone online can help with exim4 problem? |
| 09:32.38 | Pfated | Dewi: I don't think so, no. |
| 09:32.52 | Doe | jm_: is there a way to convert it to modprobe.conf ? |
| 09:32.53 | Dewi | Pfated: okay, thanks for clearing up the confusion :P |
| 09:32.58 | Pfated | Dewi: Not a problem. |
| 09:33.08 | jm_ | Doe: why do you want to do this? |
| 09:33.20 | Doe | so i load my modules |
| 09:33.31 | Pfated | Doe: Is there a reason you couldn't simply enter the modules you needed loaded at boot in /etc/modules? |
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| 09:33.40 | jm_ | Doe: be more specific |
| 09:34.42 | Doe | jm_: i installed sarge after a while i upgrade the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 i noticed in my dmesg that there is a problem with loading modules |
| 09:34.51 | jm_ | Doe: ok, what problem? |
| 09:35.05 | Doe | jm_: one mom pls |
| 09:35.23 | bibe | Doe : what module(s)? |
| 09:35.27 | jm_ | Doe: mom? I can't give you one mom |
| 09:35.35 | Pfated | Moment, I think. |
| 09:35.43 | Dewi | Doe: sarge has a 2.6 image, you know |
| 09:35.43 | jm_ | :P |
| 09:35.49 | Doe | jm_: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled |
| 09:36.02 | Pfated | Install module-init-tools, reboot. |
| 09:36.03 | Doe | Dewi: i know |
| 09:36.13 | Doe | already installed Pfated |
| 09:36.17 | Pfated | Rebooted? |
| 09:36.21 | jm_ | Doe: use Debian's kernel image, if that works then you fucked up your kernel |
| 09:36.25 | Doe | did it more then once |
| 09:36.30 | Pfated | All right. |
| 09:36.48 | jm_ | Doe: and you're sure you're using 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:36.59 | Doe | yes i'm very sure |
| 09:37.06 | jm_ | what does uname -r say? |
| 09:37.08 | Dewi | Doe: was there any reason you rolled your own 2.6 instead of using sarge's? |
| 09:37.12 | cahoot | Doe: you really mean the modules you need don't get /can be loaded? |
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| 09:37.34 | Doe | cahoot yes i mean that only some mods are loaded |
| 09:38.13 | jm_ | it's either your kernel or something's really fucked up on your system |
| 09:38.15 | Pfated | Eh? Not really a modules issue then, is it? |
| 09:38.17 | Dewi | Doe: uname -r |
| 09:38.23 | cahoot | Doe: what gives if you manually modprbe the rest |
| 09:38.27 | Doe | Dewi: 2.6.14-rc2 |
| 09:38.29 | Doe | but |
| 09:38.30 | Pfated | If SOME modules can be loaded, then it's not module support in the kernel, yes? |
| 09:38.36 | Doe | i also have it in 2.6.12 |
| 09:38.39 | Pfated | .14? Dear god, that's out? |
| 09:38.40 | Doe | 2.6.13 |
| 09:38.50 | Doe | 2.6.11 |
| 09:38.59 | Dewi | Pfated: it says rc-2... |
| 09:39.06 | Pfated | Dewi: True. |
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| 09:39.43 | jm_ | Doe: like I said, test with Debian's kernel image, se if that works |
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| 09:40.03 | Doe | jm_: i'll do that and will be back with the info |
| 09:40.25 | vird | hello all i am having trouble with my ppp connection. I get packet loss of 13 to 33% when i ping webpages like yahoo and google. when i try the same from win98 there is 0% packet loss . i am running unstable debian |
| 09:40.27 | bibe | Doe : you can also try with linux-image-2.6 from etch or sid |
| 09:40.38 | jm_ | Doe: ok, good |
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| 09:40.48 | dna_ | how do you create electricity from the earths magnetic field? |
| 09:40.59 | Dewi | dna_: move a piece of metal |
| 09:41.02 | Pfated | dna_: Get a really bigass chunk of copper wire. |
| 09:41.14 | Pfated | And start a-rollin'. |
| 09:41.25 | vird | and make it stationalry w.r.t earth ;) |
| 09:41.29 | Pfated | Dewi: We should be refusing to answer this stuff. :) |
| 09:41.41 | dna_ | Does anyone know any experiments which can tell you how hot the wire gets? |
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| 09:41.49 | dna_ | vird, what does w.r.t mean? |
| 09:41.50 | Dewi | dna_: use a thermometer |
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| 09:42.00 | EdLin | dna_: is this #debian or #sciencehomework? |
| 09:42.12 | Pfated | dna_: You're on entirely the wrong channel. |
| 09:42.21 | vird | dna_: with respect to ... |
| 09:42.44 | Pfated | #physics. |
| 09:42.50 | Dewi | my debian system is on earth and is affected by the earth's magnetic field. So I deem this on-topic. For about 10 more seconds. |
| 09:43.02 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 09:43.03 | vird | anyone know how i can get over my ppp wowes ? .... |
| 09:43.19 | EdLin | vird: I use dial-up PPP, what's your problem? |
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| 09:43.54 | Dewi | vird: is it the same modem hardware and phone line you were using in windows? |
| 09:44.20 | xquizit | Hi. I have installed debian stable on an old pentium pro 180 with 2 hdds. the first hdd (hda) has debain installed the 2nd is (hdb) but when I mount hdb I do not see my files. |
| 09:44.22 | vird | EdLin: i get packet loss only in debian when i ping yahoo or any other webpage ... win98 has no trouble with it ... |
| 09:44.27 | vird | Dewi: cdma based network |
| 09:44.46 | Dewi | vird: 0% packet loss in windows on a CDMA network? |
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| 09:44.58 | Dewi | vird: that's pretty good result |
| 09:45.05 | Dewi | sure that figure is accurate? |
| 09:45.06 | vird | Dewi: that's what windows shows ... |
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| 09:45.12 | Pfated | vird: How much packet loss? |
| 09:45.17 | vird | debian shows 14 to 33% packet loss ... |
| 09:45.19 | EdLin | vird: sounds like your ISP has a problem. Windows sets all packets to interactive settings, which may be causing broken traffic shaping at the ISP to delay things. |
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| 09:45.24 | Pfated | Pfffft. |
| 09:45.36 | Pfated | Ping longer. The number will go down. |
| 09:45.38 | RichiH | pfffft like pffffated |
| 09:45.43 | Dewi | vird: are you sure debian isn't being more honest than windows? |
| 09:45.43 | Pfated | Exactly. |
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| 09:46.44 | RichiH | vird: perhaps the windows driver is just not telling windows about any netwok layer drops? |
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| 09:47.11 | RichiH | for example, ip does not see any loses over wlan. |
| 09:47.11 | vird | quiet possible .... but there its just a serial modem .. |
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| 09:47.15 | Dewi | vird: what kind of packet loss do you mean? reported by "ping" or reported by the network layer? |
| 09:47.29 | vird | Dewi: reported by ping |
| 09:47.41 | RichiH | you can get statistics for losses from a different place, of course. but ip thinks it's a perfect connection |
| 09:47.47 | Dewi | in that case 0% dropped is realistic. |
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| 09:48.06 | RichiH | Dewi: no |
| 09:48.13 | mamar | Hello |
| 09:48.14 | vird | Dewi: but that's not what is happening on debian ... |
| 09:48.16 | Dewi | RichiH: why not? |
| 09:48.18 | RichiH | ping would not see network layer drops |
| 09:48.29 | Dewi | RichiH: that's why 0% loss is realistic with ping |
| 09:48.33 | vird | not sure why there is this disconnect between windows and debian ... |
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| 09:48.52 | zyv | hi everyone !!! |
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| 09:48.55 | Dewi | vird: when it comes to radio, there's a lot of subtle retransmit settings etc |
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| 09:49.02 | bibe | hi zyv !!! |
| 09:49.05 | Dewi | vird: maybe debian isn't runed appropriately for the specifics of CDMA |
| 09:49.10 | Dewi | er tuned |
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| 09:49.18 | vird | quiet possible ... |
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| 09:49.41 | RichiH | Dewi: the network would retransmit. thus ping would not be able to see the drop. perhaps the linux implementation tells the upper layer about the drops as, in theory, doing a drop-save connection over a drop-save connection is a big nono |
| 09:49.43 | vird | i had lots of trouble getting this connection to work in the first place .... |
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| 09:50.02 | RichiH | Dewi: ir that, yes |
| 09:50.16 | RichiH | vird: quiet means silent, you mean quite, i think |
| 09:50.50 | Dewi | vird: I've never had good experiences with wireless, even in windows. Maybe look for HOWTOs relating to the tuning of radio-based connections |
| 09:51.36 | Dewi | vird: PPP is not designed for connections much less than perfect. As in, PPP is not designed to run raw over radio |
| 09:51.52 | zyv | recently when i try to apt-get any package i get that from dpkg: error trying to proccess MyPackage.deb ... failure on buffer_read(fd): the file of the package list-file 'openssl': Invalid argument |
| 09:51.59 | Dewi | vird: so underneath PPP you need some kind of radio driver which arranges the appropriate amount of redundancy and retransmission |
| 09:52.01 | zyv | somebody knows what happens ? |
| 09:52.02 | vird | RichiH: point noted ... |
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| 09:52.12 | jm_ | zyv: check logs |
| 09:52.21 | Dewi | vird: what I'm trying to say is, this is probably not a PPP problem. You need to look lower. |
| 09:52.21 | RichiH | vird: :) |
| 09:52.24 | zyv | dpkg logs jm_ ? |
| 09:52.27 | vird | Dewi: hmmz ok let me check |
| 09:52.40 | jm_ | zyv: no, system logs |
| 09:52.47 | zyv | ok jm_ lets see |
| 09:53.01 | Dewi | vird: whatever is driving the radio itself needs to be very smart, because radio is necessarily a lossy environment |
| 09:53.18 | farhat | Hello everybody! is anyone knos this problem E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs I just want to install some programs but evry time comes this error |
| 09:53.19 | Dewi | (very diff. to ethernet) |
| 09:53.25 | zyv | dmesg jm_ ? |
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| 09:53.44 | jm_ | zyv: that should work if you run it immediately after dpkg command |
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| 09:53.55 | zyv | ok jm_ let's try |
| 09:54.06 | vird | Dewi: the windows dialer uses just a small extra string ... AT+CRM=1 |
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| 09:54.22 | vird | its just the normal ppp dialer on windows .... |
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| 09:54.35 | zyv | it dump nothing about it jm_ |
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| 09:55.18 | jm_ | zyv: paste it on some paste site ("/msg dpkg paste" or http://debian.pastebin.com/) |
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| 09:55.34 | zyv | even if i do: dmesg > file1; dpkg -i mypackage.deb; dmesg > file2; diff file1 file2 |
| 09:55.41 | zyv | i get nothing jm_ |
| 09:56.01 | zyv | so i suppose there's nothing in logs about dpkg errors |
| 09:56.19 | Guerin | zyv: amazingly, not in dmesg. |
| 09:56.36 | SiegReisen | why would dmesg who something different based on the results of dpkg? |
| 09:56.38 | jm_ | zyv: uhm I am not looking for dpkg errors, just paste it |
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| 09:56.52 | Guerin | zyv: from 'man dmesg' - dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer |
| 09:57.13 | jm_ | zyv: if there will be no errors it may mean your file is fucked up |
| 09:57.16 | zyv | just paste what jm_ ? |
| 09:57.18 | Guerin | when dpkg is a kernel space app, let me know I should move all my boxen to gentoo |
| 09:57.38 | SiegReisen | Guerin: point well made |
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| 09:58.14 | SiegReisen | zyv: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 09:58.28 | jm_ | zyv: dmesg output |
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| 09:58.36 | SiegReisen | zyv: I know I walked in on the middle of this deal... but... perhaps, just perhaps I have enough brainpower to assist |
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| 09:58.44 | zyv | i'm trying to dpkg -i mypackage.deb |
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| 09:59.01 | Guerin | zyv: so what does dpkg output say? |
| 09:59.13 | zyv | i get this: |
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| 09:59.18 | SiegReisen | zyv: this is then something that you've built yourself? |
| 09:59.19 | Guerin | zyv: don't paste |
| 09:59.28 | zyv | recently when i try to apt-get any package i get that from dpkg: error trying to proccess MyPackage.deb ... failure on buffer_read(fd): the file of the package list-file 'openssl': Invalid argument |
| 09:59.47 | zyv | no SiegReisen actually it's any package |
| 10:00.01 | SiegReisen | so... |
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| 10:00.19 | zyv | any package previously 'apt-getted' |
| 10:00.26 | zyv | om my sarge distro |
| 10:00.31 | SiegReisen | the file of th epackage list-file 'openssl': Invalid argument |
| 10:00.35 | SiegReisen | *hrms* |
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| 10:00.39 | zyv | yeah ! |
| 10:00.42 | SiegReisen | when did this start happening? |
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| 10:00.49 | SiegReisen | was it after an apt-get update? |
| 10:00.51 | zyv | it's the output that i get with any package !! |
| 10:00.55 | zyv | no SiegReisen |
| 10:01.05 | zyv | i dont update for weeks |
| 10:01.10 | SiegReisen | *nods* |
| 10:01.15 | zyv | yesterday works, today not |
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| 10:02.33 | zyv | the only 'critical operation' that i've done before it's to delete the file on /var/lib/dhcp3 |
| 10:02.51 | electron_ | tar xjf MPlayer-1.0pre7try2.tar.bz2 |
| 10:02.52 | electron_ | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 10:02.52 | electron_ | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 10:02.52 | electron_ | ? |
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| 10:02.54 | zyv | a huge file |
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| 10:03.00 | SiegReisen | *nods* |
| 10:03.02 | electron_ | hey |
| 10:03.07 | SiegReisen | well, fd is file descriptor |
| 10:03.13 | Guerin | electron_: you're fucking idiot |
| 10:03.14 | zyv | yes |
| 10:03.26 | SiegReisen | so, we could be dealing with a hd issue |
| 10:03.30 | electron_ | How do I install it? |
| 10:03.30 | Guerin | s/ / a / |
| 10:03.32 | zyv | try bunzipping before Electr |
| 10:03.35 | zyv | try bunzipping before electron_ |
| 10:03.40 | electron_ | okay |
| 10:03.52 | Guerin | electron_: apt-cache search bunzip |
| 10:03.52 | SiegReisen | or wrather a filesystem glitch of sorts... |
| 10:04.00 | zyv | damn ! |
| 10:04.05 | zyv | i hope not ! |
| 10:04.06 | Guerin | zyv: the error says that's not possible. |
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| 10:04.30 | SiegReisen | Guerin: do tell |
| 10:04.42 | electron_ | It just came up with fantasy games lol |
| 10:04.42 | Guerin | SiegReisen: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 10:04.55 | SiegReisen | hrms |
| 10:04.55 | zyv | oh right ! check the bzip2 path then |
| 10:04.57 | SiegReisen | right right |
| 10:05.01 | SiegReisen | no... |
| 10:05.10 | electron_ | Guerin, there is no bunzip |
| 10:05.11 | Guerin | THERE IS NO bzip2 IN PATH |
| 10:05.14 | SiegReisen | tar is linked to a specific path for bzip2 |
| 10:05.16 | Guerin | electron_: so install it. |
| 10:05.18 | Guerin | !installit |
| 10:05.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 10:05.19 | SiegReisen | it's not dependent on his path |
| 10:05.20 | priest | Guerin, you need to install bzip2, "apt-get install bzip2" |
| 10:05.22 | jm_ | heh Guerin has serious tab-key issues today |
| 10:05.27 | electron_ | It's not in aptitude |
| 10:05.32 | SiegReisen | he needs to install the bzip2 that is complementary to his tar bin |
| 10:05.33 | electron_ | I have to download source :? |
| 10:05.43 | Guerin | electron_: it is fucking so in aptitude. |
| 10:05.44 | SiegReisen | electron: are you running debian? |
| 10:05.49 | electron_ | yes |
| 10:05.54 | SiegReisen | er |
| 10:05.55 | electron_ | let me flood again |
| 10:05.56 | SiegReisen | right |
| 10:05.57 | SiegReisen | no |
| 10:05.59 | RichiH | !paste |
| 10:06.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 10:06.00 | jm_ | no do not flood |
| 10:06.01 | SiegReisen | apt-get install bzip2 |
| 10:06.13 | electron_ | ohh |
| 10:06.24 | electron_ | Guerin, said bunzip errr |
| 10:06.30 | jm_ | I bet he was trying to install bunzip2 package |
| 10:06.37 | jm_ | *bingo* |
| 10:06.38 | Guerin | ... |
| 10:06.45 | electron_ | E: Couldn't find package bz2 |
| 10:06.51 | jm_ | even stupider |
| 10:06.56 | SiegReisen | ... |
| 10:07.00 | SiegReisen | guerin was right |
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| 10:07.09 | SiegReisen | he just wasn't willing to guess at the actual package name |
| 10:07.10 | SiegReisen | I was |
| 10:07.14 | electron_ | E: Couldn't find package bunzip |
| 10:07.25 | SiegReisen | apt-cache search bunzip2 should have given you bzip2 as the package to install |
| 10:07.37 | SiegReisen | *goes to prove theory* |
| 10:07.42 | jm_ | ElectricElf: considered switching to Windows? |
| 10:07.43 | Guerin | electron_: stop making up random package names and just fucking search |
| 10:07.45 | dna_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.47 | jm_ | yay ;) |
| 10:07.49 | electron_ | okay got it |
| 10:07.51 | Guerin | jm_: haha, irony. |
| 10:07.52 | electron_ | I use windows |
| 10:07.55 | jm_ | Guerin: hehe |
| 10:07.57 | electron_ | This is for my server |
| 10:07.59 | Guerin | electron_: you should stick to it. |
| 10:08.00 | jm_ | ElectricElf: sorry, wrong nick |
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| 10:08.21 | SiegReisen | *hrms* no dice |
| 10:08.22 | dondelelcaro | dna_: it's much more than just a "metal bar" what you're seeing is generally something that is superconductive |
| 10:08.26 | JosephSpiros | anyone know of any easy howtos for using automounts to do nfs crossmounts |
| 10:08.28 | JosephSpiros | ? |
| 10:08.29 | electron_ | I don't like how windows crashes everyday |
| 10:08.52 | Guerin | electron_: given the skills you are demonstrating, I'm sure you'll have debian up to that speed in no time. |
| 10:08.57 | jm_ | JosephSpiros: yes |
| 10:09.07 | dna_ | dondelelcaro, so the metal bar become superconductive at super cold temperatures |
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| 10:09.19 | JosephSpiros | jm_: link? :) |
| 10:09.24 | dondelelcaro | dna_: yes, but it's not an ordinary metal bar |
| 10:09.32 | SiegReisen | I hate it when people bash on nubes |
| 10:09.37 | jm_ | JosephSpiros: install autofs, it comes with auto.net ready to be used |
| 10:09.39 | SiegReisen | But then I hate it when I screw up too |
| 10:09.41 | dna_ | hmmm what is it? |
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| 10:09.44 | SiegReisen | and I hate it when I can't read |
| 10:09.47 | JosephSpiros | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.50 | SiegReisen | annoying dyslexia |
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| 10:09.57 | SiegReisen | or was it dysinterestia? |
| 10:09.58 | SiegReisen | lol |
| 10:09.59 | jm_ | JosephSpiros: your kernel will need autofs support |
| 10:10.01 | SiegReisen | who cares |
| 10:10.02 | beardy | electron_: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:10.04 | V12 | any tutorials for phpsysinfo config? |
| 10:10.05 | SiegReisen | I'm tired |
| 10:10.08 | azeem | dna_: it's a material which becomes superconductive at that temperatue |
| 10:10.10 | SiegReisen | Have good night folks |
| 10:10.10 | dondelelcaro | dna_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity |
| 10:10.15 | SiegReisen | by Guerin |
| 10:10.18 | SiegReisen | by electron |
| 10:10.20 | SiegReisen | by zyv |
| 10:10.24 | SiegReisen | by everybuddy else |
| 10:10.27 | SiegReisen | good luck! |
| 10:10.31 | SiegReisen | happy hacking :) |
| 10:10.55 | beardy | what was that.. |
| 10:11.02 | beardy | And no floodkick :) |
| 10:11.03 | jm_ | annoyance |
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| 10:11.16 | Guerin | beardy: he spread it over 12 seconds |
| 10:11.24 | beardy | Guerin: Oh |
| 10:11.26 | Guerin | you need to do 4 in 2 for a kick, i think |
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| 10:11.35 | beardy | Guerin: I only see minutes here. |
| 10:11.42 | SimonRaven | 6:10:10 -> 06:10:31 |
| 10:12.02 | JosephSpiros | jm_: I'm assuming that since 'autofs' package installed fine, and I'm using the latest debian-provided 2.6 image, it all worked out :) |
| 10:12.05 | SimonRaven | starting from Have good night folks to happy hacking :) |
| 10:12.12 | SimonRaven | 4 in 10 |
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| 10:12.20 | jm_ | JosephSpiros: as long as the module is loaded, it will complain if it isn't |
| 10:12.27 | SimonRaven | may have changed since, i i have it wrong |
| 10:12.33 | SimonRaven | s/i i/or i/ |
| 10:12.39 | beardy | I guess he tried to be friendly, in his way. |
| 10:12.40 | electron_ | I fixed it... What is a good wallpaper changer for debian? something easy to use |
| 10:12.42 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 10:12.47 | JosephSpiros | jm_: does so automatically, apparently :) |
| 10:12.54 | jm_ | !tell electron_ -about search |
| 10:13.04 | electron_ | too much |
| 10:13.43 | jm_ | !tell electron_ -about lazy |
| 10:13.59 | Guerin | electron_: depends what windowmanager you use. |
| 10:14.07 | Guerin | i think xsetroot does images |
| 10:14.13 | Guerin | i just use -solid black |
| 10:14.21 | electron_ | blackbox |
| 10:14.37 | jm_ | I use display from perl script, it does more funky things |
| 10:14.38 | fbi | electron_: bsetbg |
| 10:14.42 | beardy | electron_: "install Eterm and you're set. Eterm provides Esetroot and thats a great wallpaper setter." (not my words, said by someone called TwistedPBook earlier) |
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| 10:14.48 | liable | well, i am outta ideas. scp over wired eth to a local box is ~6MB/s, over wireless is ~160KB/s over a g connection (54Mb/s) turning off wireless encryption doesnt help. removing rsa-key auth, no diff (this was a long shot, as i enabled it yesterday). nothing else running on the box. the time to ask for password or passphrase over wired is nill, over wireless is about 10 secs. ethereal shows no wayward packets (dns queries or anything to the router) and to to |
| 10:15.17 | beardy | liable: You only were 3 lines from half a screen, better luck next time :) |
| 10:15.24 | liable | hah :) |
| 10:15.41 | liable | beardy: increase your res.. :P |
| 10:15.42 | Pfated | What kind of screen? He's barely 1/7 of mine. :) |
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| 10:15.55 | beardy | liable: Never! 80x25. |
| 10:16.06 | liable | hehe |
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| 10:17.11 | vird | is there a command line too to keep track of data transfer into and out via a ppp connection ? |
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| 10:17.12 | liable | vird: iptraf |
| 10:17.12 | vird | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.12 | jm_ | vird: to log all the packets or what? |
| 10:17.12 | vird | liable: tnx |
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| 10:17.20 | vird | jm_: i just want to know how much ... |
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| 10:17.28 | vird | in mb's ... |
| 10:17.30 | jm_ | hehe 232k DSA announcement |
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| 10:17.36 | Guerin | jm_: yipes |
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| 10:17.40 | jm_ | vird: ahh plenty of apps for that |
| 10:18.13 | jm_ | is that the bug that de Raadt mentioned when talking about new alloc code in OpenBSD? |
| 10:19.27 | Dewi | can't wait to see the results of that |
| 10:19.32 | Dewi | 3.8 is nearly here |
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| 10:24.18 | liable | fuckity fuck fuck! |
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| 10:27.38 | dna_ | can you actually take a supercondcutive element, IE an alloy wire and extend it into the magnetic field and create so much heat it becomes superconductive? |
| 10:27.51 | liable | er.. |
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| 10:29.11 | RiverRat | I thought superconductivity came with extremely cold temperatures? |
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| 10:30.32 | dna_ | Type II Superconductors |
| 10:30.55 | azeem | RiverRat: there are superconductors who can operate at the temperature of liquid nitrogen I think |
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| 10:31.35 | RiverRat | azeem: Yea, actually that is a higher temperature than the liquid hydrogen that they started at. |
| 10:31.46 | azeem | yes |
| 10:32.01 | azeem | one rather uses liquid helium usually, though, I thought |
| 10:32.08 | azeem | than liquid hydrogen I mean |
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| 10:32.09 | shadowcat | heh |
| 10:32.16 | shadowcat | when did this place become #chemistry? |
| 10:32.17 | dna_ | there is cold and hot |
| 10:32.17 | shadowcat | :P |
| 10:32.38 | RiverRat | hydrogen is colder as a liquid than helium. only like 3.5K I think. |
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| 10:33.02 | shadowcat | RiverRat: great, now use that when you OC |
| 10:33.03 | shadowcat | :P |
| 10:33.04 | RiverRat | I came in to see how the spam bots are and I see they are still here. |
| 10:33.04 | azeem | RiverRat: it's also more difficult to handle I guess |
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| 10:33.24 | shadowcat | heh |
| 10:33.34 | shadowcat | I wonder if it's even possible to run electronics at 0K |
| 10:33.44 | RiverRat | Hydrogen is polar and would conduct electricity. Helium for sure there. |
| 10:34.16 | liable | shadowcat: FLIR comes fairly close iirc |
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| 10:34.27 | vird | hydrogen is inflameable tooo ... |
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| 10:35.11 | RiverRat | vird: Not in the presence of oxygen it isn't. |
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| 10:35.26 | Marruk | Hello people |
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| 10:35.47 | basix | can someone please suggest me a good cli based multi-threaded download manager for my debian box? |
| 10:35.58 | blah_ | hello dreamer |
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| 10:36.09 | jm_ | basix: no doubt someone can |
| 10:36.34 | vird | basix: wget ;) |
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| 10:36.57 | vird | learn to drive wget and you won't need anything else ;) |
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| 10:37.15 | basix | vird, wget isn't multi-threaded. i want to get files in multiple parts at the same time |
| 10:37.21 | basix | vird, something like flash get |
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| 10:37.32 | jm_ | you don't need it to be multi-threaded for that |
| 10:37.45 | jm_ | you don't know what multi-threaded means |
| 10:37.50 | blah_ | flashget+spyware |
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| 10:38.10 | jm_ | but anyway, there are tools in Debian that can do this, /msg dpkg search |
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| 10:38.22 | basix | jm_, hmm? wget doesn't establish multiple connections at the same time, does it? |
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| 10:38.39 | dondelelcaro | basix: why bother establishing multiple connections at the same time? |
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| 10:39.24 | jm_ | basix: no, I never said wget can do that - but why do you want to do this? |
| 10:39.42 | Coweater | you can get slightly higher speeds with more connections to more servers, but it's mostly useless, just find a fast nearby mirror and it'll be fine |
| 10:39.51 | blah_ | it matters little whether muiti-thread or not |
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| 10:39.54 | basix | jm_, i have found it to have better performance... faster downloaders |
| 10:39.58 | basix | *downlaods |
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| 10:40.09 | dondelelcaro | basix: all you do is waste resources on the server for generally very little gain, unless the sites you're connecting to suck. |
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| 10:40.13 | beardy | basix: Are you on dialup? |
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| 10:40.37 | basix | alrighty... |
| 10:40.39 | jm_ | basix: see what dondelelcaro told you, but if you really care, lftp can do it |
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| 10:41.26 | basix | beardy, 128Kbps.... |
| 10:41.44 | basix | jm_, ok |
| 10:41.48 | dimir | G'day! |
| 10:41.54 | hron | In what year Woody was released? |
| 10:42.02 | electron_ | dv like, when i type /msg or /query it makes the window? |
| 10:42.02 | dondelelcaro | !release names |
| 10:42.03 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 10:42.07 | electron_ | woops |
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| 10:42.41 | electron_ | configure: error: XOpenDisplay not found in -lX11 |
| 10:42.42 | electron_ | phr34kb0x:/home/electron/bbweather-0.6.2# checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no |
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| 10:42.46 | electron_ | how do I fix this? |
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| 10:43.17 | Stealth_L | I mounted my iPod, but i can't change the read-write rights of any file on the iPod... what can i do? |
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| 10:43.30 | shadowcat | hmm |
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| 10:43.41 | shadowcat | maybe Debian should adopt 6month release dates |
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| 10:43.56 | shadowcat | that would be a lot more convenient than upgrading to unstable all the time |
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| 10:44.05 | shadowcat | release cycles* |
| 10:44.11 | jm_ | Stealth_L: is it using vfat? |
| 10:44.20 | Stealth_L | yes |
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| 10:44.23 | basix | Is this true? http://www.enderunix.org/aget/ :O |
| 10:44.26 | jm_ | well then ... |
| 10:44.36 | shadowcat | mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat -o umask=0000 /mnt/ipod |
| 10:44.39 | shadowcat | problem solved |
| 10:44.49 | basix | The author claims: "A file of size 36.347.010 bytes was downloaded in 14 minutes 28 secs via wget; whereas it was downloaded in 3 minutes and 15 seconds via aget." |
| 10:44.53 | Stealth_L | thx |
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| 10:45.30 | electron_ | how do I fix my problem? |
| 10:45.38 | dondelelcaro | s/14 minutes/36M/ |
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| 10:45.56 | shadowcat | dondelelcaro: try downloading stuff from half way across the world |
| 10:46.01 | shadowcat | you'll be lucky to get 5k |
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| 10:46.13 | dondelelcaro | shadowcat: uh, I do that all the time |
| 10:46.21 | shadowcat | takes bloody ages to load |
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| 10:46.52 | RiverRat | dondelelcaro: Why don't you ban some of those spam bots to ##evilchristel so they get klined permanently? |
| 10:47.00 | electron_ | !tell electron |
| 10:47.03 | scanwinder | does anyone know if i can get tinyproxy to go thru a proxy itself? |
| 10:47.09 | Stealth_L | shadowcat: still: Operation not permitted when i try to change the rights |
| 10:47.10 | dondelelcaro | RiverRat: because it's totally not worth my time |
| 10:47.13 | electron_ | !tell electron about waiting |
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| 10:47.23 | dondelelcaro | electron_: /msg the bot please... |
| 10:47.24 | jm_ | Stealth_L: why do you keep wasting time with it on vfat? |
| 10:47.25 | shadowcat | Stealth_L: you have to mount it as root |
| 10:47.27 | RiverRat | Fair enough. |
| 10:47.32 | Stealth_L | i did |
| 10:47.37 | shadowcat | and FAT32 has no user permissions |
| 10:47.38 | shadowcat | get over it |
| 10:47.39 | electron_ | (from memory, waiting is what mwilson does while fucking his mum)] |
| 10:47.43 | electron_ | lmao |
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| 10:47.54 | shadowcat | it's all access |
| 10:48.04 | electron_ | phr34kb0x:/home/electron/bbweather-0.6.2# checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no |
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| 10:48.16 | electron_ | what do I do? |
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| 10:51.00 | Maneit | electron_: choose a better name for your box, first of all :p |
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| 10:51.23 | Maneit | But you probably need xlibs-dev |
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| 10:53.22 | Stealth_L | shadowcat: when i Mount the ipod as a normal user (via the fstab) the files still belong to root |
| 10:53.28 | Stealth_L | why? ;) |
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| 10:54.28 | jm_ | because it's vfat, it has no concept of permissions/ownership so Linux has to fake it |
| 10:54.39 | Stealth_L | hm |
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| 10:54.51 | Stealth_L | and how do i acces my ipod as a normal user? |
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| 10:55.01 | liable_ | weeeee, hard reboot of router... piece of shit.. problem fixed. |
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| 10:56.52 | jm_ | mount it properly, "man mount" for mount options needed |
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| 10:58.00 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:58.00 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
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| 10:59.09 | snail | tarzeau: that's a pretty good quote |
| 11:00.15 | Maneit | Stealth_L: Add uid=<your uid, find it with "id"> in options in fstab |
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| 11:03.48 | V12 | hello, i got an Error: phpsysinfo requires xml module...any solutions? |
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| 11:04.24 | FallOnMe | how can I see if a PCI card is really using 64-bit / 66MHz PCI, and not only 32-bit or only 33MHz? |
| 11:04.40 | dimir | V12: install php4-domxml? |
| 11:04.59 | V12 | thanks dimir, ill try that! |
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| 11:05.20 | cahoot | FallOnMe: lspci -vv? |
| 11:05.51 | dimir | V12: no problem ;-) Note, I never tried it, just ran 'apt-cache search php xml' :-) There you can see different packages depending on php version you have installed. |
| 11:07.11 | FallOnMe | cahoot: I can't really figure out from the output. |
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| 11:07.32 | norskfjord | how to mount a win98 fat32 hdd? |
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| 11:07.49 | dimir | norskfjord: partition, you mean? |
| 11:07.54 | norskfjord | yes |
| 11:07.57 | basix | my connection times out while doing a wget on isos. i've tried several mirrors but i get the same result :( Can I tweak wget??? or is my isp at fault? |
| 11:08.00 | norskfjord | it |
| 11:08.05 | norskfjord | It's another hdd |
| 11:08.09 | dimir | norskfjord: mount -t vfat /dev/something /mnt/somewhere |
| 11:08.13 | FallOnMe | cahoot: Status: [...] 66MHz+ might mean the clock is 66MHz, but what about the bus? |
| 11:08.13 | Guerin | basix: which iso? |
| 11:08.16 | norskfjord | thanks |
| 11:08.19 | liable | basix: you can surf the net? |
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| 11:08.27 | Guerin | basix: i mean: bigger than 2G? |
| 11:08.38 | basix | Guerin, debian CD isos.. |
| 11:08.43 | basix | liable, yep |
| 11:08.46 | norskfjord | hmm, how can I tell wht dev it is? |
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| 11:09.18 | Guerin | basix: until wget -c -T30 http://foo.iso ; do sleep 30 ; done |
| 11:09.36 | Guerin | basix: the above line will rety once per minute, resuming, until it's in |
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| 11:09.41 | Guerin | basix: set it and go do something else |
| 11:09.45 | Doe | pfff back again ;) |
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| 11:10.11 | Subdino | Hi. Is it possible to make a conditionnal pppd configuration ? I have to send a CPIN command only once to initialize the modem, but I don't wan't to have 2 configs. |
| 11:10.16 | dimir | norskfjord: fdisk -l |
| 11:10.41 | Subdino | the condition would be on the result of CPIN? command, wether it returns OK or PIN |
| 11:10.50 | Subdino | (or something like that) |
| 11:10.53 | basix | Guerin, i am currently using this: wget -c --tries=0 --timeout=5 http://foo.iso is it ok? |
| 11:10.55 | norskfjord | phr34kb0x:/dev# fdisk -l |
| 11:10.55 | norskfjord | phr34kb0x:/dev# |
| 11:10.58 | norskfjord | nothing |
| 11:11.30 | streuner | well, in that case you haven't any HD's installed |
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| 11:11.40 | norskfjord | okay, maybe it didn't detect |
| 11:11.41 | norskfjord | brb |
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| 11:11.46 | streuner | no |
| 11:11.53 | Doe | Dewi or jm_ : that debian 2.6.8-2 kernel is way to old to boot too ;) |
| 11:12.07 | Guerin | basix: --tries 0 turns tries off, right? --timeout 5 is too short. You're better off pausing between connections (hence sleep 30) so you a) don't waste the source's resources and b) don't get banned |
| 11:12.32 | Guerin | basix: by "turns tries off" i mean "sets number of tries to 'unlimited'" |
| 11:13.22 | basix | Guerin, alrighty. Thanks for the warning :P |
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| 11:13.37 | Guerin | basix: i also find that wget sometimes dies on a timeout connection - which means that its own retry function fails. until ensures that it keeps working even if wget dies ungracefully |
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| 11:17.06 | FallOnMe | w00t, Opera wants to upgrade itself. |
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| 11:18.31 | jm_ | Doe: how so? |
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| 11:19.48 | savio_R | hile, I deleted /root/bin directory and I can't login more. What can I do? |
| 11:20.05 | fbi | ehm. |
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| 11:20.27 | saloxin_ | savio_R: not much i think |
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| 11:20.31 | basix | Guerin, ah... |
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| 11:20.49 | saloxin_ | savio_R: you mean /bin i believe? /root/bin should not matter |
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| 11:20.57 | Guerin | savio_R: nothing. reinstall. |
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| 11:24.06 | isensi | Guerin have you been drinking ? |
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| 11:24.38 | dondelelcaro | hopefully... getting dehydrated would be bad |
| 11:24.47 | Guerin | isensi: not drinking makes you die. |
| 11:24.50 | Guerin | heh |
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| 11:29.46 | mernil | damn.. im listining on holy diver with Dio .. that man is the best singer this world have ever seen! |
| 11:30.07 | Guerin | mernil: oh, give over |
| 11:30.19 | mernil | Guerin: you know i'm right ;) |
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| 11:30.47 | Guerin | mernil: i know you've probably never listened to anything he did while practicing in front of the mirror. |
| 11:30.57 | Guerin | did == listened to |
| 11:31.11 | Guerin | not actually sung, for the grammar nazis out there in the cheap seats |
| 11:31.14 | Orfeous | is it possible to bind my ip from my wireless accesspoint to a virtual network interface? |
| 11:31.16 | Orfeous | and how do i do? |
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| 11:31.51 | mernil | Guerin: well.. i could give you an address with a lot of free music from his time with elf.. but you have to ask me nicely ;P |
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| 11:32.07 | Guerin | mernil: naw, I went off Dio when I was about 15 |
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| 11:32.30 | Guerin | about the same time I realised metallica was shit |
| 11:33.26 | mernil | here it is.. go from bottom to the top: http://www.dimwhit.com/dio/mp3/mp3.html |
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| 11:33.43 | Eclipser | how could I figure out the length of a DVD title in terminal? |
| 11:34.00 | jm_ | ehh? |
| 11:34.13 | Eclipser | jm_, I don't have graphical access to my box at the moment :p |
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| 11:34.44 | jm_ | Eclipser: ohh you mean duration of the movie? |
| 11:34.48 | Eclipser | yeah |
| 11:35.31 | jm_ | maybe try chaplin - DVD chapter extractor |
| 11:35.39 | jm_ | lsdvd - read the contents of a DVD |
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| 11:35.49 | Eclipser | let's see, thanks |
| 11:36.22 | Eclipser | cool |
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| 11:36.28 | Eclipser | lsdvd did the trick |
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| 11:40.13 | isensi | on apt-get upgrade it says : The following packages have been kept back: , is there a workaround ? |
| 11:40.34 | jm_ | yes |
| 11:40.50 | isensi | :) |
| 11:41.12 | Eclipser | !tell isensi -about kept back |
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| 11:41.51 | isensi | the point is when i do a dist-upgrade it removes a bunch of packages |
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| 11:42.24 | jm_ | yeah that may happen - that's why it makes sense to use aptitude to check its logs and reinstall things after the upgrade |
| 11:42.35 | isensi | k |
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| 11:43.20 | jm_ | or just store dpkg --get-selections and then reinstall them, or "/usr/bin/script" it and read the log later |
| 11:44.02 | Gob | hello guys... i have a little linux problem. Can someone explain me how to mount a new linux system from a *.img file PLEASE ! |
| 11:44.46 | isensi | thanks jm_ |
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| 11:44.56 | mjk64 | Is there an official Debian way of editing config files by means of a script that nicely saves the original somewhere? Want to edit /etc/inittab to make getty entries to match new udev devices "vc/*". Btw.: /etc/inittab isn't listed as file in package "sysvinit", there's only a template /usr/share/sysvinit/inittab, so I guess that /etc/inittab has been created by a kinda "post-script" and is not registered as conffile in the sysvinit package. |
| 11:45.17 | mjk64 | Gob: mount -o loop -t <filesystemtype> blah.img <mountpoint> |
| 11:45.42 | jm_ | mjk64: /var/lib/dpkg/info/sysvinit.postinst |
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| 11:46.15 | Guerin | mjk64: not arbitrary files. Some have an option which does this, forex visudo. |
| 11:46.20 | Gob | no.. mjk64 .. i know that.. i want to mount all the environement to use it on a new pc |
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| 11:46.24 | Orfeous | hmm.. |
| 11:46.27 | hackeron | /etc/default on debian is like /etc/conf.d on gentoo and /etc/sysconfig on redhat, is that right? |
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| 11:46.31 | Gob | i have a backup img image |
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| 11:46.39 | bibe | hackeron : yes |
| 11:46.46 | hackeron | bibe: thanks. |
| 11:46.46 | Guerin | hackeron: sort of. |
| 11:46.48 | mjk64 | Guerin: Okay, so then I gotta use my old "mklocal <etc-filename>" script for Debian =) |
| 11:46.52 | bibe | hackeron : no problem |
| 11:47.07 | Guerin | mjk64: yeah, that's what I was going to suggest :) |
| 11:47.11 | mjk64 | jm_: Ah, thanx! I'm a total Debian newbie (10 years of SuSE lie behind me :-) |
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| 11:47.18 | mjk64 | Guerin: :-) |
| 11:47.23 | hackeron | Guerin: yeah, except for /etc/network on debian too and some minor differences. But /etc/default isnt some default configuration that gets rolled back every time to update the package or anything, right? |
| 11:47.27 | Guerin | aargh, suse? |
| 11:47.50 | Doe | jm_: it won't run the debian kernel 2.6.8 |
| 11:47.55 | bibe | Gob : did you try 'mount -o loop /path/to/your.img /mnt/<dir>/'? |
| 11:48.01 | jm_ | Doe: why not? |
| 11:48.02 | Guerin | hackeron: the files in /etc/default CAN be updated by package upgrades, since they are listed as config files, yeah. |
| 11:48.11 | Doe | it crashes badly on X |
| 11:48.14 | mjk64 | Gob: Hm? Hm ... don't completely understand your task ... how about chroot /mnt/test after mounting the image there, would that be what you want? |
| 11:48.15 | hackeron | Guerin: yeah, but not automatically, right? |
| 11:48.26 | jm_ | Doe: ok so it run with that kernel just fine then |
| 11:48.49 | fireba11 | bah .. today is the day of fixes in stupid scripts it seems .. |
| 11:48.59 | Doe | jm_: nope it doesn't run at all but on 2612 > it does run |
| 11:49.00 | Guerin | hackeron: debconf will typically ask you. |
| 11:49.12 | mjk64 | Guerin: I was young ... ;-) |
| 11:49.15 | Guerin | hackeron: that can be overridden, but it's not by default. |
| 11:49.19 | jm_ | Doe: how can you try to start X if kernel doesn't run? you're not making any sense |
| 11:49.25 | Gob | mjk64: yes i think is that.. i want root acces on the new mounted system.. and use it like the main system |
| 11:49.26 | Guerin | mjk64: for 10 years ... you must be going grey by now |
| 11:49.36 | keith80403 | mjk64, I usually "mkdir RCS" and then use RCS to track changes in config files. |
| 11:49.46 | hackeron | Guerin: excellent, thanks. |
| 11:49.46 | Orfeous | hmm.. |
| 11:49.51 | Orfeous | ifconfig eth1:0 create |
| 11:49.54 | Orfeous | does not work :( |
| 11:49.55 | Orfeous | why? |
| 11:49.56 | Doe | jm_ read..... i just came back to thank you for your time and the same for dewi but this runs |
| 11:49.58 | mjk64 | Guerin: Although Debian seems to be a little lamer than SuSE in a few regards, e. g. graphical splash screen and no taking grayscale monitors into account |
| 11:50.00 | Guerin | Orfeous: man interfaces |
| 11:50.04 | Doe | bye |
| 11:50.15 | baboo | Gob: did convert into .iso with bchunk ? |
| 11:50.17 | Guerin | mjk64: eh? debian has a graphical splash screen? |
| 11:50.17 | mjk64 | Guerin: I should be *bald* now! ;-) |
| 11:50.19 | Orfeous | Guerin: ok, i want to create a virtual device.. |
| 11:50.23 | jm_ | Doe: including modules? |
| 11:50.24 | Guerin | and who the hell uses a greyscale monitor? |
| 11:50.25 | Orfeous | that should work |
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| 11:50.35 | beardy | mjk64: Strange views on what's "lame" :) |
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| 11:50.41 | Doe | jm_: yeps it runs modules ;) |
| 11:50.44 | Guerin | Orfeous: man interfaces. create it just like you would a real one, only with a different name. |
| 11:50.44 | mjk64 | Gob: Okay, so chroot should do it then |
| 11:50.47 | fireba11 | mjk64: those things still exist ? |
| 11:50.54 | jm_ | Doe: so what did you change from earlier when it didn't? |
| 11:50.54 | fireba11 | mjk64: take it to a museum :-) |
| 11:51.03 | mjk64 | keith80403: Hmm... that idea is not bad at all! |
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| 11:51.10 | Doe | i just re-wrote the modprobe.conf |
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| 11:51.29 | jm_ | ok |
| 11:51.36 | Doe | ty again |
| 11:51.37 | mjk64 | Guerin: Yes, it *does*! |
| 11:51.43 | Doe | and dewi ty also |
| 11:51.44 | mjk64 | Guerin: talking about 3.1r0a |
| 11:51.46 | keith80403 | mjk64, Yes - RCS as you know works and works well. Could also set up a local CVS, but RCS for this stuff works just fine. |
| 11:51.49 | jm_ | modprobe.conf is usually non-existant on Debian systems |
| 11:51.56 | Doe | bye bye and keep up the good work |
| 11:51.57 | mjk64 | Guerin: This is really lame, but at least hitting F1 gets me into text mode |
| 11:52.03 | Gob | in fact is a coLinux img file... they used this in my company.. i want to mount all this on a new real machine... |
| 11:52.05 | Doe | jm it is |
| 11:52.08 | Doe | ;) |
| 11:52.12 | Gob | i'll try tha chroot |
| 11:52.15 | Guerin | mjk64: oh, the installer boot, with the swirl. Haha. |
| 11:52.27 | mjk64 | keith: Have just played around with CVS a while back, but RCS should do for a few conffiles |
| 11:52.30 | Guerin | mjk64: most people complain that's not ENOUGH bootsplashy chrome |
| 11:52.36 | mjk64 | Guerin: *WHAT*?! |
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| 11:52.46 | mjk64 | Guerin: Where are those ppl?! KILLEEEEM! |
| 11:52.47 | Doe | bye bye |
| 11:52.50 | jm_ | Doe: ok good |
| 11:52.57 | mjk64 | Gob: oki, good luck! ;-) |
| 11:53.07 | Gob | thanks a lot mjk64 ! cya |
| 11:53.20 | Guerin | mjk64: we don't kill 'em, we just laugh at 'em. |
| 11:53.26 | mjk64 | fireba11: they do and are perfect for my test pc! =) |
| 11:53.50 | mjk64 | Guerin: Oh ... that's a new way of handling lamers ... hmm... I'll think about that =) |
| 11:53.55 | mjk64 | Gob: no prob |
| 11:54.20 | Guerin | mjk64: we only do it a bit. The we tell them to RTFM. |
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| 11:54.49 | mjk64 | Guerin: Ah, /that's/ the trick! ;-) |
| 11:55.04 | fireba11 | !rtfm |
| 11:55.04 | dpkg | rtfm is, like, Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 11:55.17 | Lanix | GM all ! |
| 11:55.18 | mjk64 | :-) |
| 11:55.20 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 11:55.21 | mjk64 | morning |
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| 11:55.41 | fireba11 | already afernoon here but morning anway :-D |
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| 11:56.01 | boukensya | hey guys.. I downloaded like 600mb of a 700mb file. Then it stopped. I was wondering how I could resume it from there? |
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| 11:56.08 | mjk64 | fireba11: it's *always* morning for me =) |
| 11:56.11 | resiak | boukensya: wget -c ! |
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| 11:56.27 | boukensya | resiak: I didn't start it with wget, is that okay? |
| 11:56.27 | monster | there is nothing worse but dumb user using linux (I installed ubuntu on my uncle comp and it was wrong) :( |
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| 11:56.46 | resiak | boukensya: I don't know. This is why you should have started it with wget. |
| 11:56.51 | resiak | boukensya: (Or used BitTorrent.) |
| 11:56.57 | liable | mjk64: how is that? |
| 11:57.00 | basix | how do i configure snmpd to monitor my network interfaces? snmpconf doesnt seem to have an option for it... |
| 11:57.06 | fireba11 | monster: correct. you should have used debian |
| 11:57.26 | mjk64 | liable: the time of the day is just a matter of /attitude/! (not aptitude ;-) |
| 11:57.26 | jm_ | basix: judging by your question you don't know what you're doing |
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| 11:57.33 | monster | fireba11: It wouldnt helped not a bit |
| 11:57.42 | basix | jm_, lol, kinda :) |
| 11:57.43 | seeeS | snmpd doesnt monitor interfaces, it reports on them |
| 11:57.43 | fireba11 | monster: just kidding :-) |
| 11:57.44 | boukensya | yay wget resumes thanks resiak! |
| 11:57.53 | monster | He is just dumb windows user |
| 11:57.54 | mjk64 | boukensya: hmm ... should work |
| 11:58.07 | liable | mjk64: ahhh, so you are always sleepy and scratching your balls? :P |
| 11:58.18 | darkness2 | Hey being a window user != dumb. |
| 11:58.27 | mjk64 | liable: *lol* yeah exactly =) |
| 11:58.28 | monster | BTW ubuntu is on it's good way to be user friendly |
| 11:58.36 | basix | seeeS, well, it doesn't report any of my interfaces. it just reports just aout everything but my interfaces :( |
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| 11:58.40 | jm_ | !wayttd basix |
| 11:58.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, basix? |
| 11:58.57 | basix | jm_, configure mrtg.... |
| 11:59.22 | fireba11 | monster: if user friendly is pont-and-click then amybe :-) |
| 11:59.25 | jm_ | basix: you need to configure snmpd properly, make sure it exports public community |
| 11:59.51 | basix | jm_, uh...yeah. but the big question is how? |
| 11:59.58 | monster | sorry I meant an idiot or something like that |
| 11:59.58 | jm_ | basix: with an editor |
| 12:00.01 | seeeS | basix: that is the permissions problem |
| 12:00.10 | monster | my lack of english words :/ |
| 12:00.14 | seeeS | basix: by default you wont seethe interface table |
| 12:00.22 | basix | wait a minute...whats wrong with snmpconf? |
| 12:00.34 | basix | http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/08/06/1948203&tid=100&tid=18&tid=94 |
| 12:00.39 | basix | :) |
| 12:00.47 | liable | !seen fieldysnuts |
| 12:00.48 | dpkg | fieldysnuts <i=QJOfJgmv@unaffiliated/fieldysnuts> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18d 10h 32m 2s ago, saying: 'are you done dropping elite acronyms yet, trying to compensate for something?'. |
| 12:01.08 | fireba11 | haha |
| 12:01.09 | monster | fireba11: maybe but what about number of packages in distro? |
| 12:01.13 | mjk64 | =) |
| 12:01.24 | fireba11 | monster: what about that ? |
| 12:01.29 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 12:01.29 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 12:01.35 | monster | when you use ubuntu 90% of packages works from debian sid |
| 12:01.44 | basix | jm_, that article doesn't tell how to use snmpconf :( |
| 12:01.54 | mjk64 | 8-)) |
| 12:01.58 | jm_ | basix: I don't care what it explains or not, I told you what to do |
| 12:01.59 | mjk64 | Guerin: phunny! =) |
| 12:02.13 | seeeS | basic: you need to enable looking at the interface table |
| 12:02.22 | darkness2 | !seen rj-away |
| 12:02.22 | dpkg | rj-away is currently on #debian (7h 48m 42s). Has said a total of 23 messages. Is idling for 66d 18h 54m 20s |
| 12:02.36 | fireba11 | monster: so that's the reason all those ubunto-users popp in here asking questions ... |
| 12:02.41 | Guerin | debian has grown something over 1000% since debian 2.0, as well. |
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| 12:02.46 | mjk64 | !seen my_balls |
| 12:02.46 | liable | phunny? thats an extra letter more than funny! why do that? |
| 12:02.46 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'my_balls', mjk64 |
| 12:02.50 | Guerin | if that counts for anything |
| 12:02.54 | monster | propably yes |
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| 12:03.16 | ircops | morning all |
| 12:03.17 | mjk64 | liable: Because that's phunny. ;-) |
| 12:03.21 | mjk64 | mornin |
| 12:03.22 | basix | jm_, you told me to edit the config file with an editor....:O |
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| 12:03.34 | jm_ | basix: exaclty, what more do you need? go ahead and do it |
| 12:03.41 | darkness2 | Guerin, an unbiased opinion on how good security wise etc debian sarge is to obsd? |
| 12:03.42 | fireba11 | :-) |
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| 12:04.07 | Guerin | darkness2: i haven't used obsd. |
| 12:04.22 | fireba11 | darkness2: that depends mostlyon the users who sets it up anyway |
| 12:04.34 | bcc | someone, kick me in the nuts |
| 12:04.56 | bcc | again please |
| 12:04.57 | Guerin | fireba11: well, as I understand, obsd is set up so you have to manually enable EVERY possible security hazard. |
| 12:05.16 | liable | !fix bcc |
| 12:05.18 | monster | fireba11: I dont know if there installation disk from debian which can autodetect your graphic card, set up sound , give one of the newest kernel and all of this at "one touch" |
| 12:05.29 | fireba11 | Guerin: well that makes it save and probably a pain in the ass to set up :-) |
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| 12:05.50 | monster | fireba11: and dumps you to the working distro with gnome and mozilla |
| 12:05.55 | By-Tor | Guerin: OBSD stinks. I can't stand it. Any OS is secure when there is exactly 0 services running. |
| 12:06.17 | monster | By-Tor: Thats holy right :) |
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| 12:06.33 | fireba11 | By-Tor: wrong. a PC is secure that is turned off |
| 12:06.41 | christoffer | hi, I want to install nvidia driver. I need to go to runlevel 3, but when I write "telinit 3" in konsol as root nothing happen. |
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| 12:06.46 | seeeS | noble-, someone might turn it on |
| 12:06.46 | noble- | is away from the keyboard. (auto-away) gone since (1:05pm) - (1day 18hrs 1min 30secs) |
| 12:06.50 | resiak | !tell christoffer -about nvidia howto |
| 12:07.02 | monster | telinit ?? |
| 12:07.02 | beardy | !tell noble- about away |
| 12:07.02 | noble- | is away from the keyboard. (auto-away) gone since (1:05pm) - (1day 18hrs 1min 47secs) |
| 12:07.04 | beardy | !away |
| 12:07.04 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. |
| 12:07.05 | gregoria | . |
| 12:07.09 | resiak | christoffer: Don't use the installer from nvidia directly. Follow the advice that dpkg gave you. |
| 12:07.23 | christoffer | resiak, ok thank you |
| 12:07.29 | EdLin | christoffer: Debian uses, by default, different run levels than you're used to. |
| 12:07.30 | Guerin | By-Tor: not strictly true. the tcp stack could be faulty. |
| 12:07.31 | By-Tor | fireba11: Hey, I worked on a very secure machine in the Air Force. No networking, physically locked in a small room. Now THATS security. |
| 12:07.46 | resiak | By-Tor: But was it useful? |
| 12:07.58 | mjk64 | resiak: For games, certainly =) |
| 12:08.23 | By-Tor | resiak: Oh yeah, I had to use it several times a day. |
| 12:08.32 | resiak | By-Tor: I see. |
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| 12:08.34 | isensi | just got kde3.4 , yeah ! |
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| 12:08.49 | christoffer | EdLin how is runlevel in debian? |
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| 12:08.50 | fireba11 | By-Tor: it's not about making it secure, it's about making it as secure as possible without being apranoid while still leaving it usable ^^ |
| 12:08.51 | liable | bleh, i never realised how bad my beer of choice tasted, untill i stated drinking free beer first, then switched.. |
| 12:09.05 | By-Tor | fireba11: True, true. |
| 12:09.14 | seeeS | liable: sounds like a fosters drinker, or anything american |
| 12:09.26 | bcc | i worked out a perfect method to completely replace the kernel and the distro (every single file) on a remote box with just ssh access, no additional partitions on the hard drive, no boot cd's in the drive, and not reboots until the end.....and i forgot to mkinitrd for the modules to go with that fucking drive :( |
| 12:09.27 | fireba11 | seeeS: *gg* |
| 12:09.34 | EdLin | christoffer: less /etc/inittab |
| 12:09.38 | liable | seeeS: jesus christ, dont insult me like that! |
| 12:09.47 | Guerin | bcc: gutted. |
| 12:09.54 | Guerin | bcc: document it nonetheless. |
| 12:09.55 | christoffer | ok |
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| 12:10.25 | bcc | i finally got the datacenter to hook up a kvm, and after doing everything again, but with a kvm, that was theo only missing thing. |
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| 12:10.29 | bcc | shit it's so easy |
| 12:10.33 | fireba11 | bcc: sounds like it could be dead usefull to know how that works |
| 12:10.33 | isensi | kde 3.4 is an improvement again :) |
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| 12:10.45 | bcc | yeah, really easy too |
| 12:11.07 | bcc | the harded part is knowing the modules that you'll need. the rest is really easy |
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| 12:11.11 | liable | bcc: so make a howto, and tell us about it. |
| 12:11.13 | bcc | i'll do a howto on it |
| 12:11.14 | pngwn | `/c |
| 12:11.18 | bcc | yeah, i will |
| 12:11.36 | bcc | i just need to repair 16G of stuff on that box |
| 12:11.41 | Crak_otak | tell us briefly |
| 12:11.43 | bcc | i'm waiting for it to untar now :) |
| 12:12.00 | bcc | i'll post it in a bit. maybe today. you'll shit your pants when you see how easy it is |
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| 12:12.19 | monster | anyway when sarge is gonna be stable? |
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| 12:12.29 | liable | !lart monster |
| 12:12.34 | Crak_otak | XD |
| 12:12.39 | fireba11 | liable: yuk |
| 12:12.45 | darkness2 | Isn't sarge already stable? |
| 12:12.46 | Crak_otak | i mean... lol |
| 12:12.47 | mjk64 | =) |
| 12:13.28 | ircops | !lol |
| 12:13.28 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:13.32 | ircops | heheh |
| 12:13.34 | ircops | =] |
| 12:13.43 | mjk64 | hah |
| 12:13.43 | mjk64 | =) |
| 12:14.10 | Crak_otak | i use XD for laughting |
| 12:14.10 | Guerin | darkness2: has been for months |
| 12:14.16 | Swat2 | Anyone able to help me, ive locked myself out of my box :/ ... I rebooted it and SSH didnt come back up.. can i log into it using something else? when i do a nmap on it it has port 111 and 113 open... any ideas? |
| 12:14.17 | nkuttler | monster: www.debian.org |
| 12:14.22 | Crak_otak | but here nobody knows about it |
| 12:14.23 | Crak_otak | XD |
| 12:14.27 | beardy | lol used to be Lamer On Line, who changed it? |
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| 12:14.39 | monster | hahaha |
| 12:14.43 | seeeS | 111 is portmap, i think your screwed |
| 12:14.56 | liable | seeeS: and how did you manage to do this to *your* box? |
| 12:14.57 | nkuttler | beardy: /msg dpkg factinfo lol |
| 12:14.58 | dondelelcaro | beardy: /msg dpkg help |
| 12:15.01 | mjk64 | Swat2: Find an exploit for identd :-} |
| 12:15.07 | seeeS | liable, edited snmp.conf |
| 12:15.16 | mjk64 | Swat2: as seeeS said: you're screwed |
| 12:15.17 | Swat2 | heh |
| 12:15.29 | seeeS | liable there was a ROparanoid and a ROpublic, i changed it around |
| 12:15.36 | liable | seeeS: errr sorry |
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| 12:15.43 | liable | Swat2: ^^^ |
| 12:16.09 | Swat2 | 111 = portmap - That bad? |
| 12:16.37 | dondelelcaro | Swat2: no, it's just not something you can log in with. Get a console on the box, and start ssh or get someone to reboot the thing |
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| 12:17.00 | seeeS | unless you have that old old portmap where you could get owned |
| 12:17.10 | Swat2 | whats 884 ? |
| 12:17.26 | mjk64 | Swat2: I guess you don't have a getty listening on ttyS0/1? |
| 12:17.37 | jm_ | Swat2: it's a 3 digit number |
| 12:17.43 | Swat2 | 111 is coming up as RPCBind |
| 12:17.45 | mjk64 | jm_: :-) |
| 12:17.49 | Swat2 | jm_ ;) |
| 12:17.53 | bcc | does ext3 handle files over 16G ok? |
| 12:17.57 | Guerin | Swat2: netstat -plaunt |
| 12:18.02 | Guerin | bcc: yes. |
| 12:18.03 | Swat2 | mjk64: wish i did :) |
| 12:18.07 | bcc | ok, cool. |
| 12:18.09 | mjk64 | Swat2: :-} |
| 12:18.13 | jm_ | bcc: the limits are explained on LFS page |
| 12:18.15 | bcc | so 16G in one file is no problem? |
| 12:18.45 | Guerin | bcc: the maximum filesize is officially "fucking big" |
| 12:18.52 | Guerin | bcc: terabytes, I believe |
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| 12:19.20 | fireba11 | !max filesize |
| 12:19.24 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 12:19.28 | bcc | great |
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| 12:19.34 | Swat2 | Guerin: what did you want with that command? |
| 12:19.38 | jm_ | !lfs |
| 12:19.38 | dpkg | [lfs] large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about linux from scratch |
| 12:20.13 | Guerin | Swat2: i want you to look at it, and thereby know what's listening on each of your open ports. |
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| 12:20.35 | Swat2 | Guerin: im not at the console of the box thats poo'ed itself |
| 12:21.10 | Guerin | Swat2: you're fucked, then. |
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| 12:21.20 | Swat2 | Guerin: sweet :) |
| 12:21.38 | mjk64 | Swat2: Question: do you have physical access to the box right now? |
| 12:21.56 | Swat2 | mjk64: if i drive 40kms, yes. |
| 12:22.03 | mjk64 | Swat2: Hmf. |
| 12:22.13 | seeeS | then its road trip time for you! |
| 12:22.21 | Swat2 | hehe wooohoo! road trip! |
| 12:22.27 | mjk64 | Swat2: Can you tell someone to put in a bootable CD in the cd rom drive? |
| 12:22.27 | faber2 | hi everbody |
| 12:22.39 | fbi | road trips are for sissies. teleportation is the new hip way to travel. |
| 12:22.39 | mjk64 | hi faber2 |
| 12:22.49 | Guerin | 40KM is a road trip? You must live somewhere like ... singapore. |
| 12:23.04 | jm_ | it is a road trip here too ;) |
| 12:23.13 | Swat2 | il sort it when im at work tomorrow |
| 12:23.17 | faber2 | i need some OLD school expertise: whenever i put @ or | in my "xterm" i can walk around with my curser and not type any more, except weird characters |
| 12:23.21 | mjk64 | Guerin: round your toilet? |
| 12:23.28 | jm_ | Guerin: that will be more like a quest |
| 12:23.34 | Swat2 | im still uncertain why ssh doenst come back up after a reboot! |
| 12:23.34 | mjk64 | Guerin: waiting for it not being occupied anymore? ;-) |
| 12:23.46 | Guerin | jm_: yeah. And I'm a bit doubtful how much actual road will be involved. |
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| 12:24.35 | mjk64 | faber2: I guess the same applies to the characters "~" and "µ"? |
| 12:25.01 | mjk64 | faber2: if so, then your AltGr (right Alt) key might have been mapped to something funny |
| 12:25.02 | faber2 | mjk64: probably |
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| 12:25.33 | mjk64 | faber2: man xmodmap =) |
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| 12:25.36 | faber2 | mjk64: i did not change anything! how can i set it to a default setting? |
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| 12:26.01 | mjk64 | faber2: man xmodmap, I really don't know anymore, it's been too long ago ... |
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| 12:26.11 | faber2 | loadkeys gives me a "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" |
| 12:26.24 | jm_ | that would be because loadkeys has got nothing to do with X11 |
| 12:26.42 | mjk64 | faber2: Well, that's for the console only, not X11 |
| 12:26.56 | mjk64 | faber2: use xmodmap or maybe xkeycaps |
| 12:26.57 | faber2 | jm_: is there something like "Loadkeys" for X which is EASY to use? |
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| 12:27.06 | jm_ | faber2: try xkeycaps |
| 12:27.09 | mjk64 | faber2: xkeycaps is graphical |
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| 12:27.17 | mjk64 | jm_: I should type faster ;-) |
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| 12:29.27 | faber2 | xkeycaps is definetly old school! |
| 12:29.45 | mjk64 | faber2: That's what you were asking for. :-) |
| 12:29.56 | Huahua | excuse me, where can i get the realplayer for linux64 ? or w32codecs for linux 24 |
| 12:30.00 | darkness | Who actually work on developing debian from bugs to new distro's/testing/stable etc.And do they get paid well :-) |
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| 12:30.25 | mjk64 | Huahua: mplayerhq.hu? |
| 12:30.28 | Pfated | Hahahaha paid for being a DD ahahahahah. |
| 12:30.33 | jm_ | Huahua: 32-bit chroot is your best bet |
| 12:30.56 | Huahua | mjk64: jm_: thanks |
| 12:30.57 | mjk64 | Huahua: sorry, haven't read linux64 |
| 12:30.57 | takatumi | Huahua: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:31.08 | faber2 | this sucks. i press ALT or ALT-GR and xkeycaps shows me number "5" and "6", weird |
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| 12:31.21 | mjk64 | Huahua: but maybe the mplayer w32codecs work well with linux64 |
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| 12:32.48 | mjk64 | faber2: What does it say when you're hovering over the AltGr key? |
| 12:33.00 | faber2 | is is possible to route X protocol over two sequential SSH connections? |
| 12:33.02 | mjk64 | faber2: KeySyms:, Modifiers: etc. |
| 12:33.12 | faber2 | mjk64: now i fucked it up, not even RETURN works |
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| 12:33.24 | nkuttler | faber2: yes |
| 12:33.30 | mjk64 | faber2: routing should be possible, as it's transparent |
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| 12:33.48 | mjk64 | faber2: whaddaya mean "not ...works"? What exactly? |
| 12:34.02 | mjk64 | faber2: pressing a key should hilite it, is that still okay? |
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| 12:34.55 | faber2 | mjk64: i restarted the xserver and xterm. now i am back to ALT GR does not work and fucks up my keyboard |
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| 12:35.07 | mjk64 | faber2: oh! |
| 12:35.11 | faber2 | mjk64: pressing the ALT GR key highlights the "6" |
| 12:35.16 | faber2 | mjk64: pressing the ALT key highlights the "5" |
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| 12:35.32 | rss | hi |
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| 12:35.38 | mjk64 | faber2: you mean they highlight the NUMBER keys? |
| 12:35.44 | faber2 | STRG highlights "ESC" |
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| 12:35.52 | faber2 | mjk64: yes the number keys |
| 12:36.02 | mjk64 | faber2: errr... your keyboard layout is fucked up indeed! |
| 12:36.08 | faber2 | wow, F1 highlight "NUM LOCK" |
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| 12:36.19 | nkuttler | faber2: /msg dpkg keymap? |
| 12:36.23 | mjk64 | faber2: Although I used to have such a setup (Strg meaning Esc) |
| 12:36.40 | rss | hi |
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| 12:37.30 | faber2 | puhhh.... CAPS LOCK is the "3" of the number block. what is going on? xkeycaps asks me for a layout at startup, i wonder why it is so much fucked |
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| 12:38.00 | mjk64 | faber2: Are you sure you selected the right keyboard layout upon startup of xkeycaps? |
| 12:38.41 | faber2 | yes, 102 keys, german layout, seems very normal to me |
| 12:38.53 | mjk64 | faber2: And what does "xev" say when you hit and release the Ctrl key? |
| 12:39.07 | mjk64 | faber2: should read keycode 0x37, keysym: Control_L or something |
| 12:39.10 | faber2 | i should mention i am using Xrealvnc as a server and vncviewer under windows to connect. but it always worked before. |
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| 12:39.32 | mjk64 | faber2: Did you say W... W... that W-word? |
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| 12:39.50 | mjk64 | faber2: ;-) |
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| 12:40.18 | mjk64 | faber2: And restarting Xrealvnc didn't help, right? |
| 12:40.37 | faber2 | mjk64: yes WINDOWS. i switched from Linux because I got sick of some very annoying problems linux has on the desktop ... |
| 12:40.52 | faber2 | mjk64: restarting Xrealvnc did not help, no. same problem |
| 12:40.57 | mjk64 | faber2: <ELIZA> Tell me about your problems with Linux </ELIZA> |
| 12:41.02 | faber2 | xev shows the key press and release event |
| 12:41.22 | mjk64 | faber2: And what does it give you as keycode and keysym? Should be 0x37 / Control_L respectively |
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| 12:41.45 | faber2 | mjk64: i will, but first i need this fixed. i need to connect a remote x program (2 x ssh) to my local Xrealvnc before I can be happy and tell you about it |
| 12:41.53 | Ronin | faber2: just curious what annoying desktop problems |
| 12:42.02 | mjk64 | faber2: That's blackmailing! ;-) |
| 12:42.06 | pabloz13 | hi to all |
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| 12:42.27 | faber2 | keysym is 0xffe3 |
| 12:42.46 | mjk64 | faber2: errr ... oh. |
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| 12:42.48 | faber2 | i love blackmailing ;-) |
| 12:42.52 | mjk64 | faber2: ;-) |
| 12:43.12 | darkwidow | hi please help |
| 12:43.14 | darkwidow | i need help |
| 12:43.25 | Ronin | darkwidow: we cant help till you tell us the problem |
| 12:43.26 | jm_ | yes, we can see you need help |
| 12:43.30 | darkwidow | i finally installed this xchat, |
| 12:43.30 | hackeron | I've installed a minimal sarge and I seem to be missing ldconfig start-stop-daemon install-info and update-rc.d - and I cant seem to find what packages own these files so I can apt-get install them. Any suggestions? |
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| 12:43.43 | faber2 | mmhhh.. my ALT-GR key does NOT get a key release event, only the key press |
| 12:43.53 | jm_ | !tell hackeron -about search |
| 12:43.56 | valdyn | hackeron: how can you miss ldconfig? |
| 12:43.56 | darkwidow | i don't have any idea of debian, and let me tell you i achieved all this by myself |
| 12:44.07 | darkwidow | U_U loooong time |
| 12:44.08 | faber2 | hackeron: try apt-file |
| 12:44.25 | hackeron | jm_: apt-cache search ldconfig returns nothing |
| 12:44.25 | faber2 | hackeron: or packackes.debian.org for a quick search |
| 12:44.25 | mjk64 | hackeron: ldconfig is in libc6 |
| 12:44.33 | darkwidow | so now i need help. Firstly i dont have any idea of how to add a irc spanish server. IRC hispano |
| 12:44.37 | jm_ | hackeron: apt-cache is not the only option dpkg mentioned |
| 12:44.51 | jm_ | darkwidow: try #xchat |
| 12:44.56 | darkwidow | i clicked add , and then |
| 12:44.59 | darkwidow | oh. |
| 12:45.00 | darkwidow | ok |
| 12:45.05 | darkwidow | i write that? |
| 12:45.11 | darkwidow | to enter? or /j? |
| 12:45.19 | jm_ | no, you join channel #xchat and ask for help there |
| 12:45.25 | Ronin | darkwidow: is it a freenode server? if so it doesnt matter |
| 12:45.45 | darkwidow | ok. great :) thankis |
| 12:45.45 | darkwidow | bye |
| 12:45.47 | faber2 | mjk64: mmhh.. the xev program shows the right key translations. ctrl is "CONTROL_L" |
| 12:45.51 | mjk64 | faber2: Can you type umlauts? |
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| 12:46.34 | hackeron | jm_: mjk64: faber2: found what the problem was, /sbin wasnt in PATH. Why though? -- I'm sshed as root. |
| 12:46.50 | jm_ | hackeron: I wouldn't know, it's your system |
| 12:47.03 | mjk64 | hackeron: Interesting. It's in PATH here (local root). |
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| 12:47.19 | jm_ | did you use su ? |
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| 12:47.37 | hackeron | jm_: I havent altered anything yet |
| 12:47.43 | jm_ | hackeron: did you use su? |
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| 12:47.55 | hutgyyr | ive installed two new drives and they are showing up in proc/scsi . What is the command to format these new disks? |
| 12:48.07 | hackeron | jm_: no, I did ssh root@machine |
| 12:48.10 | Nomad | fdisk to make the partitions, mkfs to put down the filessytems |
| 12:48.23 | mjk64 | hutgyyr: mke2fs for example (for ext2 filesystem) |
| 12:48.40 | mjk64 | hutgyyr: or ext3 |
| 12:49.00 | TvM | hi |
| 12:49.33 | mjk64 | Swat2 has got a nice signoff message =) |
| 12:49.37 | mjk64 | hi TvM |
| 12:49.41 | faber2 | mjk64: with CTRL-V üöä, i can type UMLAUTS, yes |
| 12:49.51 | pabloz13 | J'm new user irc and debian :-) |
| 12:49.51 | TvM | i've installed debian in a hp pavilion dv4165 and when i enter in gnome i get an XKB error... |
| 12:49.56 | mjk64 | faber2: so no 8-bit problem, either ... hmmm... |
| 12:49.59 | pabloz13 | how to lists all users ??? |
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| 12:50.35 | hutgyyr | ext3, when I issue that command, how can i find out the address at which my new drive is located |
| 12:50.37 | jm_ | TvM: ignore it |
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| 12:50.42 | Shadur | pabloz13: All users of what? |
| 12:50.45 | nkuttler | pabloz13: this is #debian, not an irc support channel. try man yourircclient |
| 12:50.48 | darkwidow | please. Vi is terrible. I dont know how to edit a file. If i open it using xwindow i cant change anything. it sais i need to be admin. ... then i open there the terminal, and ..... what? ..... vi filename? or what?. and then, after changing the thing, what what the key to save¿? thanks |
| 12:50.53 | pabloz13 | on this channel |
| 12:50.57 | TvM | and other error in dmesg ATAPI device hdb... |
| 12:50.58 | mjk64 | pabloz13: /who * lists all users on the current channel - for #debian, this is a *lot* of ppl |
| 12:51.05 | Ronin | darkwidow: man vi as well as look on google |
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| 12:51.14 | fireba11 | darkwidow: use emacs then *g* |
| 12:51.14 | darkwidow | ...aha |
| 12:51.16 | petemc | darkwidow: run vimtutor |
| 12:51.22 | darkwidow | i use kde |
| 12:51.27 | pabloz13 | thanks , you are great |
| 12:51.30 | darkwidow | vimtutor? |
| 12:51.37 | Shadur | darkwidow: there are multiple excellent vi and vim tutorials for beginners. You'd do well to run one. |
| 12:51.47 | mjk64 | darkwidow: after changing, hit [Esc]ZZ to save and exit. |
| 12:51.51 | darkwidow | vimtutor is one of them? |
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| 12:51.53 | mjk64 | pabloz13: =) |
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| 12:52.06 | Ronin | darkwidow: and heck if you really dont like vi theres tons of other editors out, nano being the first that comes to mind |
| 12:52.16 | darkwidow | nano? |
| 12:52.20 | darkwidow | which one you recommend? |
| 12:52.24 | faber2 | mmhhhh.. what do i have to check if i want X11 forwarding through two SSH sessions? the remote xterm cannot connect.... |
| 12:52.26 | darkwidow | for a begginer like me... U_U |
| 12:52.42 | nkuttler | darkwidow: nano is easy |
| 12:52.46 | valdyn | darkwidow: why dont you use your favourite kde editor? |
| 12:52.49 | Ronin | darkwidow: its a personal thing, nano is definatly easy to use but its best to learn at least some basic vi commands |
| 12:52.51 | fireba11 | emacs is more straightforward i'd say .. :-D |
| 12:52.51 | jm_ | faber2: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 12:53.07 | faber2 | jm_: i think the bot is broken |
| 12:53.17 | olorin | hello, i recently upgrade gnome on a debian testing box but i encountered some problem, i had to apt-get -f install & dpkg --overwrite some package, is it classical on a testing system ? |
| 12:53.22 | BadMan | would someone bea ble to help me with ripperX? When I select the tracks and rip i get the the artist dir, album dir and then the songs are only 128kb.. I selected encode and i have toolame encoder installed.. what am I missing? |
| 12:53.22 | fireba11 | faber2: why that ? |
| 12:53.23 | jm_ | faber2: ahh two sessions - ssh's port forwarding and manual exporting of DISPLAY |
| 12:53.41 | fbi | faber2: try registering your nick. |
| 12:53.43 | faber2 | fireba11: i dont get the /msg dpkg |
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| 12:53.53 | TvM | i've installed debian in a hp pavilion dv4165 and when i enter in gnome i get an XKB error...how can i fix that? |
| 12:54.01 | BadMan | faber type it in your text box |
| 12:54.06 | faber2 | jm_: manual exporting of display? |
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| 12:54.30 | faber2 | jm_: i know i need a faked DISPLAY setting |
| 12:54.40 | pabloz13 | s |
| 12:54.40 | jm_ | faber2: yes so that X apps know where to connect |
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| 12:54.51 | snail | faber2: export DISPLAY=WHATEVER |
| 12:55.05 | honschu | How to autostart an application with gnome? (stable) |
| 12:55.30 | faber2 | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: %s |
| 12:55.33 | nkuttler | honschu: somewhere in the preferences iirc, try #gnome if nobody knows here |
| 12:55.36 | snail | honschu: autostart at login or at boot? |
| 12:55.37 | valdyn | honschu: settings -> session or somesuch |
| 12:55.44 | hutgyyr | how can I find out the device node of a new drive? |
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| 12:56.11 | valdyn | hutgyyr: fdisk -l |
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| 12:56.44 | BadMan | If noones knows about ripeprX what lame encoder do I need to isntall to be able to encode to MP3 from KCDAudiCreator for ripping CDs to mp3? |
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| 12:56.57 | valdyn | !marillat |
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| 12:56.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 12:56.59 | jm_ | BadMan: why not use ogg? |
| 12:57.04 | valdyn | BadMan: lame is there ^^^ |
| 12:57.17 | f0rt3hm3h | when i install kernel 2.6.8 and reboot i get "pivot_root: No such file or directory" "/sbin/init:432:cannot open dev/console: No such file" "kernel panic: Attempted to kill init", how can i fix this? |
| 12:57.19 | BadMan | I need MP3 for my audiodev they dont support ogg(vehicles etc) |
| 12:57.30 | BadMan | i have nothing against ogg |
| 12:57.33 | jm_ | ok then go with lame |
| 12:57.52 | Nomad | hmmm anyone know much about xmms and arts in Deb Unstable? |
| 12:57.52 | valdyn | f0rt3hm3h: install 2.6.8 instead of which kernel? |
| 12:57.58 | BadMan | valdyn: when i used kcdaudio it tells me encoder not preset...... |
| 12:58.06 | BadMan | er present |
| 12:58.09 | f0rt3hm3h | valdyn: instead of 2.427 |
| 12:58.12 | f0rt3hm3h | valdyn: instead of 2.4.27* |
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| 12:58.31 | valdyn | BadMan: yes, i understand that, dpkg told you where that encoder is |
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| 12:58.58 | ircops | "encoder is here" *point* |
| 12:59.00 | ircops | :D |
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| 12:59.51 | valdyn | f0rt3hm3h: alright, assuming you didnt add or remove disks too, device nodes might have changed from 2.4.x to 2.6.x. hda->sda hdb->sdb, if you use sata disk(s) |
| 13:00.12 | BadMan | valdyn: thx I missed the marillat from dpkg |
| 13:00.15 | ircops | sata. yick. |
| 13:00.17 | Rawplayer | is there any decent image to install debian on a intel 64 with megaraid? |
| 13:00.26 | Rawplayer | its a dell machine |
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| 13:00.40 | valdyn | Rawplayer: what intel 64? |
| 13:00.40 | enyc | ''decent image'' -- what do you mean? |
| 13:00.41 | f0rt3hm3h | valdyn: no, i use pata, and in 2.4.27 my hd is hde3 |
| 13:00.44 | Rawplayer | xeon |
| 13:00.44 | Rawplayer | ;p |
| 13:01.01 | pabloz13 | lis |
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| 13:01.55 | faber2 | alright, X connection through 2 x ssh works now! but i am still left with my most annoying "ALT GR" problem! |
| 13:02.00 | valdyn | f0rt3hm3h: same deal w/ some pata controllers |
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| 13:02.29 | f0rt3hm3h | valdyn: so since its hde3, what might it be now? |
| 13:02.33 | valdyn | Rawplayer: so you really mean 'em64t' ? |
| 13:02.43 | f0rt3hm3h | valdyn: sde3? |
| 13:02.47 | TvM | jm_ how i remove that msg to ignore the error? |
| 13:03.02 | valdyn | f0rt3hm3h: no idea, you could use debians installer and type linux26 at the bootprompt to figure that out. |
| 13:03.35 | valdyn | !em64t |
| 13:03.36 | f0rt3hm3h | valdyn: can you explain that for me? i dont quite get it... so.. |
| 13:03.36 | dpkg | i guess em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
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| 13:03.49 | jm_ | TvM: what do you mean? just ignore the message, it will start regardless of that - you have some other issue if it doesn't start |
| 13:04.01 | pabloz13 | what ? |
| 13:04.09 | valdyn | f0rt3hm3h: boot the debian installer, type linux26 at the bootprompt, wait, hit alt-f2, enter fdisk -l |
| 13:04.41 | f0rt3hm3h | ok |
| 13:04.50 | TvM | jm_ its annoying...every time i start appear the error |
| 13:04.56 | f0rt3hm3h | valdyn: thanks ill do that... =P |
| 13:05.05 | jm_ | TvM: appears where? |
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| 13:05.35 | TvM | when i enter in gnome |
| 13:05.39 | egg__ | hello |
| 13:05.44 | TvM | right after login in gdm |
| 13:05.49 | jm_ | some popup window or what? |
| 13:05.51 | f0rt3hm3h | valdyn: i have win XP installed on the HDD, will that make any diffrence/ |
| 13:05.54 | f0rt3hm3h | valdyn: i have win XP installed on the HDD, will that make any diffrence? |
| 13:05.58 | TvM | jm_ popup yeah |
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| 13:06.10 | valdyn | f0rt3hm3h: no, how should it |
| 13:06.16 | egg__ | popeyes |
| 13:06.22 | egg__ | O_O |
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| 13:06.29 | jm_ | TvM: I have no idea where that's coming from then, I guess you'll have to ask #gnome or dig in its session script(s) |
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| 13:06.47 | f0rt3hm3h | valdyn: dont know, thats why im asking =P |
| 13:06.48 | BadMan | boo I found a spot where I didnt select the encoder under ripperX's MP3 tab for config... will try it again... |
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| 13:07.29 | Joel1 | hey guys kind of anewbie question but a question none the less.. can u kill all processes that have "hlds" in the command line |
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| 13:07.48 | azeem | Joel1: killall should be able to do that |
| 13:07.52 | nova | hi |
| 13:08.05 | nova | i want to install debian for desktop usage. |
| 13:08.13 | nova | is testing the best choise? |
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| 13:08.27 | BadMan | nova: stable prolly your best bet |
| 13:08.44 | Joel1 | i dont use linux.. its my friends server and he sms`d me saying he needs me to shut them down. told me you guys might be able to help? |
| 13:08.51 | nova | BadMan: ok.. any idea when there is a gnome update ? :) |
| 13:08.54 | azeem | nova: stable should be fine now, you can update to testing when you feel it's becoming too much out of date |
| 13:09.03 | jmg_ | hi, i'm trying to install lives, the video editing package and the package depends on slang which doesn't appear to be in unstable .. is there anything i can do to get this |
| 13:09.06 | azeem | nova: testing just got gnome-2.10 |
| 13:09.10 | jjazz | Joel1: can you get into the machine? |
| 13:09.23 | BadMan | nova: couldnt tell you about gnome I dont run it at all |
| 13:09.31 | Joel1 | yes |
| 13:09.47 | nova | BadMan: gotto love 2.12 :) |
| 13:09.53 | Joel1 | logged in as root and stuff |
| 13:09.56 | hutgyyr | ive just wrote the partition tables to the new disks. How can I expand my home directory over them? |
| 13:10.09 | jm_ | jmg_: it is |
| 13:10.16 | azeem | nova: 2.12 won't be in testing for a while |
| 13:10.17 | fireba11 | Joel1: shutdown -h now |
| 13:10.25 | jjazz | Joel1: Do you need to reboot or just shutdown? |
| 13:10.35 | azeem | nova: if you absolutely need 2.12, I recommend Ubuntu's latest preview |
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| 13:10.40 | BadMan | shutdown -h(or -r) -t 5 now |
| 13:10.41 | Joel1 | just shut down all the hlds processes |
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| 13:10.45 | Joel1 | not the actual machine |
| 13:10.49 | BadMan | oops |
| 13:10.52 | fireba11 | ah |
| 13:10.59 | fireba11 | you should say so then :-) |
| 13:11.03 | nova | azeem: wekk not absolutely but it's just cool to have :) |
| 13:11.05 | jjazz | Joel1: man killall |
| 13:11.08 | jmg_ | jm_: is it in non-us |
| 13:11.19 | azeem | nova: then maybe Debian is not that well suited for you |
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| 13:11.27 | TvM | how can i install the latest kernel with debian netinst cd? |
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| 13:11.47 | fireba11 | TvMapt-get install kernel-image |
| 13:12.08 | BadMan | wee it's encodign!!! |
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| 13:12.18 | fireba11 | TvM: do apt get-update; apt-cache search kernel-image and pick the appropriate one |
| 13:12.25 | jmg_ | jm_: ah, yes ... libslang ... i've installed that, but still having problems ... package depends on slang1 |
| 13:12.36 | jm_ | jmg_: no, non-us is long gone, is this some unofficial package or what? does it depend on slang1? because unstable now has slang2 too and new package is libslang1 |
| 13:12.38 | Joel1 | so itd be like... killall hlds |
| 13:12.40 | Joel1 | right? |
| 13:12.41 | TvM | after i install the kernel 2.6.8 right? |
| 13:12.53 | TvM | i must "replace"?? |
| 13:12.57 | nova | azeem: wekk not absolutely but it's just cool to have :) |
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| 13:13.06 | nova | azeem: main prio is a stable machine :) |
| 13:13.14 | jmg_ | jm_: yeah it is unofficial |
| 13:13.25 | jjazz | Joel1: Actually, it would be 'pgrep hlds' |
| 13:13.29 | jjazz | sorry. |
| 13:13.31 | jjazz | pkill hlds |
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| 13:13.48 | hutgyyr | can anyone tell me how I can expand my file system over the new drives, do I need to edit fstab |
| 13:13.54 | jm_ | jmg_: well then talk to them so they will change the package |
| 13:14.04 | nova | is there some tut about SELinux and debian ? |
| 13:14.16 | jmg_ | jm_: k, cheers :) |
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| 13:16.15 | BadMan | dang I really need to get me a faster computer built.. this k7 700 is just starting to lag good anymore.... |
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| 13:16.29 | Joel1 | ok thanks guys |
| 13:16.35 | Joel1 | that removed the hlds stuff |
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| 13:16.50 | fbi | hutgyyr: if you want to use the partitions you just created, they need to be mounted if that's what you are asking. |
| 13:16.57 | Joel1 | but theres still some "SCREEN" thing making them start again? |
| 13:17.12 | Joel1 | so i do pkill SCREEN |
| 13:17.12 | Joel1 | ? |
| 13:17.23 | jjazz | Sure |
| 13:17.41 | jjazz | Joel1: What are these processes? |
| 13:17.42 | hutgyyr | ok, so if i specify in the fstab file what file systems I want mounted, they will remount every time I start up, right? |
| 13:17.55 | fbi | hutgyyr: in theory, yes. |
| 13:18.02 | fbi | hutgyyr: man mount, man fstab |
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| 13:18.08 | Joel1 | its the hlds server names |
| 13:18.12 | Joel1 | its all shutdown now |
| 13:18.12 | hutgyyr | ok |
| 13:18.14 | jjazz | hutgyyr: Not necessarily. man fstab |
| 13:18.16 | Joel1 | thanks for your help guys |
| 13:18.21 | jjazz | Joel1: np |
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| 13:19.44 | abrotman | jjazz: damn you! .. damn you to heck! |
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| 13:20.16 | pabloz13 | wqdede |
| 13:20.21 | jjazz | abrotman: last time, they held it for all of a day. Let's see how it goes. These last 10/11 games are going to be incredible. |
| 13:20.33 | bhrigu | hello all |
| 13:20.34 | abrotman | jjazz: no .. just the last three :) |
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| 13:20.45 | pabloz13 | hello bhrigu |
| 13:20.51 | jjazz | abrotman: I'm hoping we're 2 up by then. |
| 13:20.53 | bhrigu | any one here working in wireless networks ? |
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| 13:21.35 | abrotman | jjazz: yes .. you have an incredibly hard schedule .. you know .. toronto .. and baltimore .. ohhh .. i bet they're shaking :) |
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| 13:21.55 | jjazz | abrotman: Who do the Sox face? |
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| 13:22.35 | jjazz | ah. Tampa is the giant-killer. I hate Tampa so hard. |
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| 13:23.42 | mne | hi there ! I need some help with trac. I've a subversion repository and all files checked in contain svn keywords like $Id". Upon checkin these keywords get exchanged with an Id. If you have a look at the checked in file it contains the ID like it should. Everywhere this works, except in trac since trac just displays "$Id" instead of the ID itself. any hints ? |
| 13:23.49 | abrotman | jjazz: everyone does .. except the teams that suck :) |
| 13:23.56 | jjazz | So... I just tried gocr and discovered that ocr technology is really, really junky. Anybody know a decent ocr package? |
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| 13:24.44 | mjk64 | jjazz: gocr was the best command line OCR program I've seen so far. |
| 13:24.57 | abrotman | jjazz: ah .. one of the things F/OSS is missing dearly .. OCR software .. that works |
| 13:25.08 | jjazz | mjk64: That is disappointing because it produced a bunch of gibberish. |
| 13:25.10 | abrotman | even OCR for win32 is not that good |
| 13:25.16 | Guerin | abrotman: there are worse failings |
| 13:25.21 | Guerin | like process colour |
| 13:25.23 | abrotman | Guerin: like KDE ? |
| 13:25.31 | mjk64 | jjazz: I didn't say it was good :-} |
| 13:25.33 | Guerin | abrotman: kde is a failing of a different ssort |
| 13:25.36 | abrotman | Guerin: you mean CMYK ? |
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| 13:25.51 | cosmin | i have a microsoft intellimouse optical 1.1A mouse , with 5 buttons , and i can't use thw two auxiliary ones, (ms doesn't provide drivers for linux), anyone know how could i get them to work ? |
| 13:25.51 | jjazz | mjk64: Damn I miss my secretary. Maybe I can make an intern do this typing. |
| 13:26.14 | mjk64 | jjazz: If your intern is as sexy and willing as your secretary ... ;-) |
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| 13:26.15 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah. And real palette support, which unfortunately isn't possibe without paying stupid amounts of money. |
| 13:26.17 | abrotman | cosmin: that was a good joke |
| 13:26.24 | cosmin | why ? |
| 13:26.30 | abrotman | Guerin: have you checked gimp lately? .. or uhm .. inkscape ? |
| 13:26.39 | abrotman | cosmin: MS .. drivers for linux :) |
| 13:26.42 | cosmin | :) |
| 13:27.01 | cosmin | isn't there any way to make them work ? |
| 13:27.07 | cosmin | some third-party drivers ? |
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| 13:27.11 | Guerin | abrotman: define lately. |
| 13:27.14 | jjazz | mjk64: My secretary is no more. I left her behind at my last job. But she was smoking hot. People used to come by my office in person to deliver stuff, just for the chance to talk to her. She never understood why I always sent her in person to get things done instead of having her telephone. |
| 13:27.23 | abrotman | cosmin: yes .. sarge/etch/sid ? |
| 13:27.33 | abrotman | Guerin: 6 months ? and a recent release ? |
| 13:27.51 | Guerin | abrotman: in the last 6 months, yeah. |
| 13:27.55 | Guerin | not in the last 3. |
| 13:28.17 | cosmin | abrotman what ? |
| 13:28.17 | abrotman | Guerin: iirc .. gimp had cmyk added and inkscape(maybe it was scribus) had it .. /me goes to check |
| 13:28.26 | jjazz | mjk64: Do me a favor, would you look at <http://pastebin.com/370871> and tell me whether this is normal for gocr's results? Or can I generally hope for better quality in ocring a scanned doc? |
| 13:28.27 | cosmin | what is that ? :) |
| 13:28.28 | abrotman | cosmin: are you using sarge/etch/sid ? |
| 13:28.29 | mjk64 | jjazz: cool :-) |
| 13:28.36 | Guerin | but the sorts of changes I'm talking about would actually mean that the gimp was usable for something other than web graphics... |
| 13:28.37 | darkwidow | hi people! :) again. I tried to install xmms (so linux makes me happy :D) , but it sais i have the last update, but there are 0 installed, and 256 pakages waiting. |
| 13:28.42 | abrotman | jjazz: i have something better |
| 13:28.42 | cosmin | i don't know what you're talking about |
| 13:28.49 | cosmin | i'm not so advanced in linux |
| 13:28.52 | Guerin | darkwidow: so you have it installed |
| 13:28.54 | abrotman | jjazz: http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/replang |
| 13:29.01 | mjk64 | jjazz: Oh ... my ... god. |
| 13:29.03 | darkwidow | i used a pakage manager, i downloaded tons of pkg, but not installed! |
| 13:29.10 | mjk64 | jjazz: I don't know if it's normal, but it *SUXX* |
| 13:29.20 | jjazz | mjk64: yep. |
| 13:29.30 | jjazz | abrotman: What's this script do? |
| 13:29.32 | darkwidow | i donwloaded tons of things, but they are somehow waiting to be installed. i dont understad |
| 13:29.50 | faber2 | can i use "wget" to continue a download? |
| 13:29.52 | abrotman | jjazz: nothing .. it's a language i work in when i'm not doing admin work |
| 13:29.55 | abrotman | Guerin: http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/separate.shtml |
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| 13:30.09 | mjk64 | jjazz: I can only tell you what sucks more (at least for my case): ocrad. |
| 13:30.16 | mjk64 | faber2: sure |
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| 13:30.20 | jjazz | mjk64: I'll try clara, then. |
| 13:30.20 | faber2 | mjk64: how? |
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| 13:30.24 | By-Tor | faber2: wget -c http://whatever/boo.iso |
| 13:30.26 | abrotman | Guerin: http://docs.scribus.net/index.php?lang=en&page=cms |
| 13:30.29 | mjk64 | faber2: wget -c |
| 13:30.35 | jjazz | abrotman: What language is that? |
| 13:30.44 | mjk64 | faber2: wget -c filename |
| 13:30.46 | abrotman | jjazz: the same as the page says |
| 13:30.50 | pabloz13 | s |
| 13:30.57 | faber2 | mjk64: mmhhh.. man wget, says -c is cache ? |
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| 13:31.00 | jjazz | abrotman: What's it used for? |
| 13:31.10 | RobHu | I've just created a Reiser4 partition on my laptop, but it is significantly slower (according to bonnie++) than my Reiser 3 partition. Has anyone got any idea why this might be? This is with 2.6.14-rc2-mm1 |
| 13:31.17 | darkwidow | gh.... |
| 13:31.17 | bhrigu | -c is for continue |
| 13:31.21 | bhrigu | not cache |
| 13:31.25 | mjk64 | faber2: /my/ wget manual says it's "continue". |
| 13:31.26 | abrotman | jjazz: a single financial portfolio management app |
| 13:31.27 | bhrigu | it will resume your downloads |
| 13:31.35 | bhrigu | if the site suppotrs it |
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| 13:31.55 | strikinado | When people send spam with user nobody (apache) How I can prevent for it don´t happen again? And is possible I find who is sending? HoW ? |
| 13:31.59 | abrotman | jjazz: RPN logic/math ... no real looping(just goto) .. it's just bad :) |
| 13:32.12 | abrotman | strikinado: from your server? |
| 13:32.18 | mjk64 | faber2: at least that's true for GNU Wget 1.10 and a *lot* of versions before. |
| 13:32.20 | faber2 | mjk64: ok, that was -C |
| 13:32.40 | bhrigu | ya |
| 13:32.40 | By-Tor | strikinado: How are they sending it? Do you ahve old versions of FormMail.pl? |
| 13:32.42 | jjazz | abrotman: ah. That looks like no fun at all. At least it's specialized knowledge, though, which means they have to pay you to do things the hard way. |
| 13:32.42 | faber2 | mjk64: i am still pissed off with my keyboard problem ;-) |
| 13:32.46 | RobHu | streuner: Have you considered using spam assassin? |
| 13:32.49 | mjk64 | faber2: strange, no "-C" in my manpage. What's your wget version? |
| 13:33.02 | abrotman | jjazz: right .. if you say so :) |
| 13:33.06 | mjk64 | faber2: Oh the fucking k/b problem ... |
| 13:33.09 | faber2 | mjk64: 1.9.1 |
| 13:33.11 | abrotman | jjazz: i'm primarily the admin .. |
| 13:33.12 | By-Tor | mjk64: GNU Wget 1.10.1 |
| 13:33.17 | faber2 | mjk64: yes, the fucking k/b problem |
| 13:33.33 | mjk64 | faber2: Hmm ... maybe my man page for wget is too old. |
| 13:33.41 | idealbsd | any can help me to make a key binding of pdflatex in emacs,like C-t to run pdflatex |
| 13:33.41 | mjk64 | By-Tor: Ooops, I'm out of date ;-) |
| 13:33.58 | pabloz13 | de |
| 13:33.59 | pabloz13 | d |
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| 13:34.06 | pabloz13 | d |
| 13:34.20 | Ronin | pabloz13: yes the d key works |
| 13:34.25 | mjk64 | :-) |
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| 13:35.27 | ircops | hey what's the best GNU software that can interpret an applixware .ag document? |
| 13:35.27 | strikinado | By-Tor I don´t know how, I´ve not old versions |
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| 13:35.36 | By-Tor | mjk64: I just dist-upgraded my sid after about 18 months. |
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| 13:35.44 | By-Tor | mjk64: Not a single hiccup. |
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| 13:36.19 | hutgyyr | ive rebooted without making any changes and when I try to mount it says device is already mounted even though its not or that the point I want to mount it too is busy |
| 13:36.20 | mjk64 | By-Tor: Wow! I'm absolutely new to Debian (10 years SuSE before), but I'm keen on handling the apt stuff =) |
| 13:36.36 | hutgyyr | fstab is the same so i didnt automount |
| 13:36.50 | fbi | hutgyyr: you aren't mounting two partitions at the same mount point, are you |
| 13:36.55 | hutgyyr | and when I fdisk -l, it doesnt show them as mounted |
| 13:36.56 | By-Tor | mjk64: I was expecting my system to blow up, but nope, even swtiched from XFree to Xorg. |
| 13:37.08 | jm_ | fdisk obviously won't show what's mounted |
| 13:37.13 | mjk64 | By-Tor: Unbelievable ... this sounds good, indeed! |
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| 13:37.40 | By-Tor | mjk64: I installed Woody on this machine when it first came out, like 5 years ago I think. |
| 13:37.49 | mjk64 | By-Tor: Debian's package management and package *care* is one of the reasons I want to switch to it |
| 13:38.08 | By-Tor | mjk64: From a floppy. The only install I ever ran on it. |
| 13:38.09 | hutgyyr | well, when I fdisk -l. My two new drives show two partitions sda1 & sda5 (one extended and one Linux) I didnt format it like this so im just trying to mount sda |
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| 13:38.20 | By-Tor | mjk64: Even upgraded the HD several times. |
| 13:38.21 | jm_ | you can't mount sda |
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| 13:38.31 | mjk64 | By-Tor: Woody is the name of the stable before Sarge? Sorry, I can't remember these names (in fact I *hate* them!), I need version numbers or stable/unstable/testing =) |
| 13:38.44 | mjk64 | By-Tor: From floppy?? |
| 13:38.51 | By-Tor | mjk64: Yessir. |
| 13:38.58 | mjk64 | By-Tor: Congrats! =) |
| 13:38.59 | By-Tor | mjk64: Two floppies I think. |
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| 13:39.14 | jm_ | !tell mjk64 -about release history |
| 13:39.16 | mjk64 | By-Tor: And both of the floppies worked without a read error? =) |
| 13:39.18 | pabloz13 | cd - |
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| 13:39.33 | By-Tor | mjk64: Yup. |
| 13:39.38 | mjk64 | jm_: ah, that's better, thanks! |
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| 13:39.57 | By-Tor | mjk64: After that I just did apt-get to get the rest of the stuff. |
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| 13:40.07 | mjk64 | By-Tor: I once installed slackware from 40(!) floppies and all of them worked! |
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| 13:40.14 | mjk64 | By-Tor: via modem? |
| 13:40.20 | mjk64 | By-Tor: or ADSL modem? |
| 13:40.22 | By-Tor | mjk64: Actually I think I ran woody for like a year and a half when it was testing. |
| 13:40.26 | mjk64 | By-Tor: or ISDN? |
| 13:40.32 | v1k1ng0 | when I boot my box it shows "Failed to mount /selinux/: no such file or directory". I have it desactivated in the kernel ... |
| 13:40.35 | By-Tor | mjk64: Dialup baby. |
| 13:40.46 | By-Tor | mjk64: Took me like three days to install it. |
| 13:40.55 | mjk64 | By-Tor: Oh ... my ... god. You must be broke by now. =) |
| 13:41.30 | hutgyyr | if I try to mount the Linux partition sda5 it gives me an error. wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock etc. |
| 13:41.31 | By-Tor | mjk64: Heheeh, no, I've got dialup now. Switched to testing, then to Unstable when I discovered "testing" was the real unstable. |
| 13:41.38 | By-Tor | mjk64: I mean cable. |
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| 13:41.46 | mjk64 | By-Tor: ah, okay |
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| 13:42.01 | mjk64 | By-Tor: funny experience =) |
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| 13:42.41 | mwilson | By-Tor: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 13:42.50 | hackeron | what dns server would you recommend? |
| 13:42.55 | ircops | hutgyyr: what filesystem are you using? |
| 13:43.06 | mjk64 | hackeron: Open Root Server Network |
| 13:43.08 | ircops | hutgyyr: and what command are you using to mount it? |
| 13:43.16 | hutgyyr | i think its ext3, I made it with cfdisk |
| 13:43.23 | mjk64 | hackeron: http://www.orsn.org/ |
| 13:43.42 | mwilson | hutgyyr: You mean you didn't make any filesystem at all, right? |
| 13:43.46 | fbi | cfdisk doesn't make filesystems |
| 13:43.52 | hutgyyr | oh |
| 13:43.59 | hutgyyr | shit |
| 13:44.11 | strikinado | When people send spam with user nobody (apache) How I can prevent for it don´t happen again? And is possible I find who is sending? HoW ? |
| 13:44.14 | mjk64 | hutgyyr: fdisk just edits the partition types |
| 13:44.30 | jm_ | strikinado: SMTP auth. |
| 13:44.32 | hutgyyr | well thats my problem then, heh |
| 13:44.38 | resiak | hutgyyr: man mkfs |
| 13:44.38 | hackeron | mjk64: what on earth is that? |
| 13:44.38 | fbi | hutgyyr: did you listen when everyone told you to mkfs after creating the partition? |
| 13:45.02 | mjk64 | hackeron: "The Independent DNS Solution with IPv6 support for the European Community." :-) |
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| 13:45.13 | hutgyyr | soz, im just abit confused |
| 13:45.36 | ircops | hutgyyr: man mkfs.ext3 |
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| 13:45.41 | klync | my box uses "stable", but how can I tell whether / which pkgs I've installed from "unstable"? I think I did, but it was over a year ago |
| 13:45.43 | mjk64 | hackeron: The main thing is it's independent from ICANN |
| 13:45.55 | fbi | hutgyyr: cfdisk is for creating/editing partitions. you need to make a filesystem afterwards, unless you just want a black partition idling on your disk. |
| 13:45.59 | hackeron | mjk64: all I want is a DNS server for my mailserver thats hosted in a colo in the US |
| 13:46.05 | fbi | s/black/blank/ |
| 13:46.11 | hutgyyr | yeah, ok |
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| 13:46.24 | hutgyyr | im after runninh straight in there with mkfs |
| 13:46.40 | hutgyyr | is it ext3 by default |
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| 13:47.03 | hackeron | mjk64: and bind has a pretty poor reputation so I'd like to avoid it. |
| 13:47.06 | mjk64 | hackeron: Oh okay, the US is a little far away =) |
| 13:47.29 | mjk64 | hackeron: Are there alternatives to bind, anyway? Haven't looked around yet ... |
| 13:47.38 | hackeron | mjk64: yes, several. |
| 13:47.39 | r3tex | what is the default kernel i sarge? |
| 13:47.45 | Pfated | hutgyyr: use mkfs.ext3. |
| 13:47.54 | r3tex | and also is there an equivalent to forums.gentoo.org for debian? |
| 13:48.06 | jvw | r3tex: forums.debian.net |
| 13:48.12 | hackeron | can anyone recommend an alternative to bind? |
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| 13:48.19 | jvw | r3tex: well, equivalent, it doesn't have the same momentum/amount of users |
| 13:48.21 | By-Tor | r3tex: The mailing list is quite good too. |
| 13:48.22 | mjk64 | hackeron: I'll have a look at 'em when I have more time ... currently, I don't need a name server /yet/ |
| 13:48.27 | faber2 | hackeron: powerdns? |
| 13:48.33 | r3tex | jvw: yeah like 200 posts :P |
| 13:48.52 | r3tex | By-Tor: what is the kernel in sarge? |
| 13:48.57 | v1k1ng0 | hackeron: djbdns |
| 13:48.59 | r3tex | the supported one |
| 13:48.59 | jvw | r3tex: 6558 posts / 1655 users, but yeah |
| 13:49.05 | abrotman | r3tex: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 13:49.08 | abrotman | with some patches |
| 13:49.13 | r3tex | cool |
| 13:49.24 | ronrad | hello, I'm trying to get vserver to work and everything WAS going great. But now I have no clue what's going wrong, any ideas: I try vserver DebianSarge start, no error... vserver DebianSarge status tells me that the vserver is not running |
| 13:49.27 | r3tex | i'm considering switching from gentoo to debian |
| 13:49.34 | abrotman | r3tex: good plan! |
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| 13:49.47 | ralf | r3tex: sure, relax yourself |
| 13:49.49 | r3tex | abrotman: just wondering if the binary packages are noticeably slower |
| 13:49.50 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 13:49.54 | r3tex | =P |
| 13:49.57 | jjazz | r3tex: Slower than what? |
| 13:50.00 | r3tex | i have such a cool make.conf hihi |
| 13:50.07 | r3tex | jjazz: my compiled programs |
| 13:50.07 | Guerin | r3tex: watch out, you'll have a lot of spare time, you might not know what to do with. |
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| 13:50.09 | ralf | r3tex: optimization are mostly shit |
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| 13:50.23 | Guerin | r3tex: you know, debian programs are compiled too |
| 13:50.28 | r3tex | ralf: they make a biiig difference on my old 133Mhz :)) |
| 13:50.28 | jjazz | r3tex: I've used gentoo and I didn't notice a speed difference. All that optimization is really marginal. |
| 13:50.30 | Guerin | with gcc, as well |
| 13:50.41 | ralf | r3tex: no, no difference at all |
| 13:50.44 | r3tex | Guerin: for 386 right? |
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| 13:51.02 | ralf | r3tex: your cpu haven't SSE, SSE2, SSE3, CMOV |
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| 13:51.04 | r3tex | ok are the packages compiled with gcc-3 or 4? |
| 13:51.12 | ralf | WTF are you optimizing? |
| 13:51.15 | ralf | 4 |
| 13:51.17 | r3tex | ralf: my cpu has SSE and SSE2 |
| 13:51.18 | ralf | 4.0.1 |
| 13:51.20 | Guerin | r3tex: not the packages which matter, which you can install compiled for 686 |
| 13:51.31 | ralf | r3tex: so it isn't a p 133 |
| 13:51.32 | r3tex | ok that fine then |
| 13:51.33 | r3tex | =) |
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| 13:51.35 | abrotman | r3tex: there are 686 kernels |
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| 13:51.47 | hutgyyr | why is fisk showing an extendtend and linux partition when cfdisk just created one partition |
| 13:51.48 | abrotman | and ones for em64t or whatever crap that is |
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| 13:51.58 | r3tex | also, the init system in gento is based on sysV is debians too? |
| 13:52.01 | r3tex | is it similar? |
| 13:52.02 | Guerin | r3tex: the packages are built with a different compiler for each release. stable is 3.4, i think both testing andf unstable are 4. |
| 13:52.05 | Guerin | mostly |
| 13:52.15 | Guerin | r3tex: pretty similar |
| 13:52.20 | resiak | Debian's has fewer colours. |
| 13:52.23 | ralf | r3tex: it is the standard linux boot |
| 13:52.24 | r3tex | no prob =) |
| 13:52.29 | ralf | SysV |
| 13:52.37 | ralf | no rc.shit |
| 13:52.38 | fireba11 | hutgyyr: where is your problem ? |
| 13:52.52 | r3tex | anyone tried the init-ng on debian? |
| 13:52.54 | linux4life | Hi, I have Debian on both my pcs, I want to play mp3's on this computer from the otherone, how do I do that? |
| 13:53.01 | Guerin | linux4life: nfs |
| 13:53.11 | linux4life | apt-get install nfs? |
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| 13:53.18 | Guerin | linux4life: install nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common |
| 13:53.25 | ralf | r3tex: yes, it works |
| 13:53.28 | Guerin | i think that'll do it |
| 13:53.29 | fireba11 | linux4life: you want to play the mp3 remote or jsut access the space on the other PC ? |
| 13:53.37 | Guerin | you might need some other things too |
| 13:53.39 | r3tex | ralf: have you tried it? any noticable difference? |
| 13:53.40 | linux4life | You'll have to help me, I am a n00b |
| 13:53.46 | linux4life | I want to play them off the other pc |
| 13:53.51 | ralf | r3tex: it boots very fast |
| 13:53.56 | r3tex | ralf: on my gentoo it booted faster by about 10% and had forgotten to start lots of stuff ;P |
| 13:54.06 | fireba11 | linux4life: google for a howto on nft |
| 13:54.09 | hutgyyr | im wondering why fdisk - l shows my new drive as having a type 5 extended partition and type 83, linux.Thius creating sda1 & sda5 when through cfdisk I just created one partition |
| 13:54.09 | ircops | linux4life: so you basically want to sit at one computer, press play, and have the mp3 play on the OTHER computer's speakers? |
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| 13:54.11 | fireba11 | nfs even |
| 13:54.16 | Guerin | linux4life: and you will need to configure it; I recommend the nfs howto on tldp.org |
| 13:54.24 | ralf | on my debian it runs faster by about 200% |
| 13:54.25 | linux4life | no, I want it to play on this computer |
| 13:54.32 | ralf | with everithing I need |
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| 13:54.33 | linux4life | through the network |
| 13:54.43 | ircops | linux4life: but the mp3s are on the other computer? |
| 13:54.50 | Guerin | linux4life: YES, WE KNOW |
| 13:54.53 | fireba11 | hutgyyr: you most likely created no primary partition . .thus needing an extended partition that contains your partition .. ^^ |
| 13:54.54 | ralf | boot process tooks 9 seconds in text mode |
| 13:54.57 | linux4life | yes |
| 13:55.02 | resiak | NFS! |
| 13:55.06 | ralf | from mount root fs to login |
| 13:55.08 | Guerin | linux4life: nfs is for filesystem sharing |
| 13:55.13 | linux4life | okay thanks |
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| 13:55.23 | resiak | !tell ralf -about enter |
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| 13:55.54 | mjk64 | ralf: err... what machine are you talking about? Haven't followed the discussion |
| 13:55.59 | fireba11 | linux4life: google for a NFS how-to it you are as n00b as you sound :-) |
| 13:56.11 | ralf | athlonxp 1400 |
| 13:56.15 | resiak | linux4life: Look at the nfs howto on tldp.org as Guerin says. |
| 13:56.35 | mjk64 | ralf: Hmm ... 9 secs? For a complete Linux boot? No tricks like Sleep mode or so? |
| 13:56.52 | ralf | text mode login only |
| 13:57.08 | mjk64 | ralf: sure, only text mode ... nevertheless, that sounds fast |
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| 13:57.27 | ralf | mjk64: from the FS being mounted, not the kernel started |
| 13:57.42 | mjk64 | ralf: Ahaaaaaaaa! You were cheating! ;-) |
| 13:57.44 | Guerin | ralf: oh, so an irrelevant measurement, then |
| 13:57.47 | fireba11 | ralf: ^^ |
| 13:58.03 | ralf | i had to test initng boot speed |
| 13:58.14 | Guerin | ralf: someone got kernel -> login: in 16 seconds? on a p3-600 using init-ng |
| 13:58.15 | qom | quite new to linux (debian) and yesterday when I rebooted it, grub went dead (error 18) any simple way to fix this? I can't reach www with this computer, because all files are corrupted \: |
| 13:58.15 | mjk64 | ralf: initng = init next generation? |
| 13:58.17 | Guerin | i believe |
| 13:58.21 | ralf | who cares about kernel extraction and driver loading? |
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| 13:58.38 | ralf | it is the same with sysv :P |
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| 13:59.32 | ralf | i have a p3-600 celeron |
| 13:59.50 | ralf | it's impossible to kernel->login in 16 seconds |
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| 14:00.08 | Guerin | ralf: i think it was eeyore- |
| 14:00.14 | Guerin | ralf: argue the toss with him |
| 14:00.24 | Guerin | ralf: but a celeron != a p3 |
| 14:00.43 | Guerin | they're the p3s which had to catch the short bus out of the intel factory |
| 14:00.47 | ralf | and i have also a slow 2.5 hd |
| 14:00.52 | fireba11 | Guerin: ralfi don't care how loong boot takes. . .i boot ym PC onca a year or so .. |
| 14:01.20 | Guerin | fireba11: i boot mine once a kernel, or once a power failure ... yeah, i don't give a fuck either. |
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| 14:01.33 | ralf | Guerin: short bus? factory? |
| 14:01.41 | Guerin | ralf: yup. |
| 14:01.54 | marcel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:02.04 | ralf | fireba11: i boot about 7-8 times daily |
| 14:02.16 | asg | ralf: why? |
| 14:02.19 | resiak | Why?! |
| 14:02.19 | fireba11 | ralf: how why the fuck would you do that ? |
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| 14:02.30 | darkness | Guerin: I leave my box on 24/7 too.It's six years old and i hope won't die on me for a couple of years. |
| 14:02.35 | ralf | because poweroff it when i don't need it |
| 14:03.20 | Guerin | darkness: fair. My main box, which I'm using now, is a p2-233 toshiba laptop which was SOTA in 1997 |
| 14:03.24 | resiak | ralf: Hibernate! |
| 14:03.36 | ralf | resiak: not with my devices |
| 14:03.36 | Guerin | it's been on about 24x7 since i bought it in 2001 |
| 14:03.48 | linux4life | I'm getting nfs-kernel-server |
| 14:03.52 | resiak | ralf: Oh wel. |
| 14:03.53 | linux4life | is that right? |
| 14:04.05 | linux4life | I need a gui to set it up. |
| 14:04.34 | darkness | Guerin: You need to upgrade soon :-) |
| 14:04.49 | fireba11 | !sota |
| 14:04.52 | resiak | linux4life: No you don't. |
| 14:04.57 | fireba11 | Guerin: what's SOTA ? |
| 14:04.58 | strikinado | When people send spam with user nobody (apache) How I can prevent for it don´t happen again? And is possible I find who is sending? HoW ? ->>>is not smtp auth |
| 14:05.01 | resiak | linux4life: Go read the nfs howto on tldp.org |
| 14:05.05 | abrotman | !nfs |
| 14:05.05 | dpkg | from memory, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 14:05.09 | Guerin | !sota |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | nice url |
| 14:05.15 | resiak | dpkg: wtf sota |
| 14:05.16 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 14:05.18 | resiak | :( |
| 14:05.19 | Guerin | stupid bot, doesn't know flas |
| 14:05.23 | linux4life | It's hard to understand, some of the files arn't even there |
| 14:05.41 | asg | linux4life: touch /path/to/file (voila!) |
| 14:05.59 | Guerin | !sota is State Of The (Art|Arse|Arm|Arooooo!|Abdger) |
| 14:06.00 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 14:06.04 | linux4life | !ask ssh tunneled nfs |
| 14:06.05 | fireba11 | strikinado: you don't ahve an open relay do you ?? |
| 14:06.10 | linux4life | that sounds easyer |
| 14:06.18 | Guerin | linux4life: you don't need nfs over ssh |
| 14:06.31 | linux4life | !tell linux4life ssh tunneled nfs |
| 14:06.39 | Guerin | linux4life: if you really want encryption use shfs |
| 14:06.50 | linux4life | I just want it easy |
| 14:06.51 | cahoot | Guerin: well if those are illegal mp3 maybe |
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| 14:06.56 | linux4life | just to copy files over ect |
| 14:07.00 | ralf | i use IP over TravellingPidgeons |
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| 14:07.36 | linux4life | wouldn't I want samda or something? |
| 14:07.45 | linux4life | doesn't that do the same thing? |
| 14:07.47 | Guerin | linux4life: nfs is easy |
| 14:07.50 | asg | !rfc1149 |
| 14:07.50 | dpkg | rfc1149 is probably Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 14:07.53 | Guerin | samba is hard |
| 14:08.01 | resiak | !be samba barbie |
| 14:08.04 | resiak | :( |
| 14:08.20 | fireba11 | Guerin: no it's not :-) |
| 14:08.21 | linux4life | looks like there is alot of stuff to do |
| 14:08.24 | wang | samba installed flawlessly for me |
| 14:08.26 | ralf | well, if all protocols suck, what to use? |
| 14:08.28 | wang | runs solid too |
| 14:08.32 | ralf | coda? adfs? intermezzo? |
| 14:08.39 | asg | sshfs |
| 14:08.49 | linux4life | is there some gui I can get to set it up? |
| 14:08.56 | Guerin | INSTALLS fine |
| 14:09.00 | frodema | djbdns |
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| 14:09.11 | Guerin | but it's a massive pain in the arse to set up, compared to nfs |
| 14:09.13 | nova_ | linux4life: for samba? swat |
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| 14:09.23 | linux4life | okay |
| 14:09.26 | Guerin | which is a matter of editing one config file and making sure some daemons are running |
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| 14:09.52 | voyd | i'm running 3 debian boxes, one server (for web,mail,ssh,ftp), one client, and one firewall/gateway.. I'm finding that the server can be accessed from the internet fine whenever the client machine is turned on, however when the client is off, the server drops out occasionally but is still up 50% of the time |
| 14:09.52 | wang | if i could set it up it's incredibly simple |
| 14:09.53 | wang | so is samba |
| 14:09.58 | voyd | any remote ideas of what the problem might be? |
| 14:10.00 | wang | all i did was edited /etc/samba/smb.conf and restarted samba and it was running |
| 14:10.05 | linux4life | Okay, I am getting swat |
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| 14:10.51 | hid3 | Hello everyone.. Is there any way to search for text 'sometext' in all files on the hard disk except the mc's menu option? |
| 14:10.58 | tairet | hello everyone |
| 14:11.03 | nova_ | hid3: grep |
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| 14:11.12 | hid3 | nova_: thanks |
| 14:11.35 | nova_ | hid3: np |
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| 14:12.33 | jesperj | I get an error when I do apt-get upgrade. It says it will upgrade udev and gives this error: udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. I have kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 14:13.01 | wang | google the error? |
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| 14:13.32 | strikinado | When people send spam with user nobody (apache) How I can prevent for it don´t happen again? And is possible I find who is sending? HoW ? ->>>is not smtp auth ->>> no openrelay |
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| 14:14.35 | Oliver-Beograd | somebody know where and how to put script to start some program on boot ? I looked in /etc/init.d but there is something unusual ...I never saw somethink like that in any distribution of Linux |
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| 14:14.37 | nova_ | jesperj: upgrade your kernel |
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| 14:15.14 | nova_ | jesperj: it is also recommed to use apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:16.15 | stew | nova_: who recommeds that? why? |
| 14:16.15 | stew | jesperj: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 14:16.36 | Ronin | apper/Makefile: |
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| 14:17.12 | nova_ | stew: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 14:17.15 | petemc | Oliver-Beograd: were the other linuxes you used sys-v? |
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| 14:18.26 | stew | nova_: yeah? |
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| 14:18.29 | Oliver-Beograd | petemc I didnt understand clearly...In other Linuxes I just put in some of rcX directory and script works |
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| 14:18.42 | nova_ | stew: although for the latter the command apt-get dist-upgrade is preferred |
| 14:18.45 | stew | nova_: he isn't moving from one release to another |
| 14:18.45 | petemc | Oliver-Beograd: right, check the faq mentioned in the topic |
| 14:18.59 | stew | nova_: (which is what "the latter" is in that sentence) |
| 14:19.02 | r3tex | anyone here triet e17? |
| 14:19.06 | r3tex | tried |
| 14:19.14 | jesperj | stew, when I do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 I get: "hal: Beror: udev (>= 0.063) men 0.056-3 skall installeras, E: Otillfredsställda beroenden. Försök med "apt-get -f install" utan paket (eller ange en lösning)." |
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| 14:19.33 | nova_ | stew: just read the link |
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| 14:19.37 | Oliver-Beograd | petemec , I red all Debian documentation and I still dont understand what SXX does mean |
| 14:19.41 | stew | nova_: i did |
| 14:19.44 | jesperj | When I try apt-get -f install I get: udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 14:19.45 | jesperj | ;) |
| 14:19.46 | jesperj | heh |
| 14:19.53 | Guerin | Oliver-Beograd: you read ALL the debian documentation!?! |
| 14:19.53 | petemc | Oliver-Beograd: then you havent read all the documentation now, have you? |
| 14:19.56 | B3Ib3k | hi to everybody i have a problem with my static debian kernel , i cant load iptables modules owner and others. what should i do ? i need to replace actual kernel or is possible to enable on it ? |
| 14:20.14 | Oliver-Beograd | guerin all documentation about init.d |
| 14:20.17 | petemc | Oliver-Beograd: zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 14:20.19 | nova_ | stew: the last paragraph of 3.4 |
| 14:20.20 | wang | why does doing atp-get remove epiphany-browser remove gnome ? |
| 14:20.44 | jesperj | please help |
| 14:20.45 | stew | nova_: yeah i did, he's not trying to solve a problem where packages are kept back either |
| 14:20.50 | drac | jesperj: So, install 2.6.12 or newer. |
| 14:20.54 | jesperj | drac, I cant |
| 14:20.57 | nova_ | stew: i just say it is recommed |
| 14:20.59 | cheal | wang: because gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 14:21.09 | drac | jesperj: Testing has 2.6.12, and obliously you are using it (or unstable) |
| 14:21.17 | stew | nova_: you are recommending it to him for no good reason |
| 14:21.17 | wang | cheal: but i'm not removing gnome just the epiphany browser |
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| 14:21.21 | jesperj | when I try apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 I get: "hal: Beror: udev (>= 0.063) men 0.056-3 skall installeras, E: Otillfredsställda beroenden. Försök med "apt-get -f install" utan paket (eller ange en lösning)." |
| 14:21.22 | Guerin | wang: it just removes the metapackage, which depends on epiphany. Gnome is still installed, more's the pity. |
| 14:21.33 | jesperj | drac, yes testing |
| 14:21.41 | nova_ | stew: for a newby it is a good recommedation |
| 14:21.44 | jesperj | drac, When I try apt-get -f install I get: udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 14:21.49 | Guerin | jesperj: do what it tells you. |
| 14:21.54 | Guerin | oh |
| 14:21.55 | stew | nova_: i don't see why |
| 14:21.57 | azeem | jesperj: it's called linux-image now |
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| 14:22.06 | cheal | wang: gnome indirectly depends on epiphany-browser. so you can't remove one without removing the other |
| 14:22.07 | wang | Guerin : will gnome and xfree86 run ok? i stopped the removal half way through |
| 14:22.09 | stew | jesperj: can you remove udev / hal temporarily? |
| 14:22.21 | jesperj | stew, I don't know. |
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| 14:22.27 | Guerin | wang: sure. it wasn't going to remove a hundred packages, right? only one? |
| 14:22.27 | jesperj | is it safe? |
| 14:22.32 | wang | cheal: i didn't have epiphany installed on ubuntu when i was running gnome |
| 14:22.32 | drac | hal rather than udev |
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| 14:22.57 | cheal | wang: Debian isn't Ubuntu. also, you don't need the gnome package to run gnome |
| 14:22.59 | jim | what's this hal thing? |
| 14:23.00 | Guerin | install linux-image-2.6.12 using dpkg |
| 14:23.05 | wang | he following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 14:23.05 | wang | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.08 | Guerin | jim: fgi |
| 14:23.11 | jesperj | tried apt-get remove hall but it still says the same about doing apt-get -f install |
| 14:23.11 | azeem | wang: that's fine |
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| 14:23.16 | azeem | wang: as people have told you |
| 14:23.16 | Guerin | wang: no problems. |
| 14:23.18 | jesperj | can I do apt-get -f remove hal? |
| 14:23.22 | jim | what's this fgi thing? :) |
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| 14:23.27 | wang | ok thanks guys |
| 14:23.28 | Guerin | jim: fgi |
| 14:23.52 | OneSeventeen | I keep getting errors when trying to log into postgresql on my debian box saying that the user is not in my pg_hba.conf file (but it is) Anyone here have experience with postgres on debian? |
| 14:24.21 | jim | OneSeventeen; new to postgres, I see :) |
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| 14:24.42 | wang | how do i set it so when i click on browser opening links and when i enter urls into the prompt of alt+2 it uses mozilla and not epiphany |
| 14:24.44 | jim | OneSeventeen: what user owns the data files? |
| 14:24.52 | jim | what user does postmaster run as? |
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| 14:25.03 | OneSeventeen | yup, and the guys in #postgresql aren't able to figure it out either so far... |
| 14:25.06 | jesperj | How can I remove hal temporarily then? apt-get remove hal does not work (still says I should do apt-get -f install) |
| 14:25.07 | OneSeventeen | hmm, how do I find that out? |
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| 14:25.19 | azeem | jesperj: did you try apt-get -f install? |
| 14:25.25 | Guerin | jesperj: install linux-image-2.6.12 using dpkg |
| 14:25.31 | jesperj | azeem, When I try apt-get -f install I get: udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 14:25.44 | jesperj | Guerin, will try |
| 14:25.46 | jim | OneSeventeen, where is the data located? |
| 14:26.04 | OneSeventeen | jim: I would guess either postgres (because I have to su to that user in order to create databases) |
| 14:26.11 | OneSeventeen | jim: I have no idea, I just did the default install via apt-get |
| 14:26.12 | klync | k, I'm trying to install an unstable pkg, while having my default remain stable... can someone explain the difference between the square and round brackets here? .... Inst libsvn0 [1.1.4-2] (1.2.3a-1 Debian:unstable) |
| 14:26.20 | Guerin | jesperj: you may or may not have to reboot into the new kernel for it to work. You also may or may not have to --force-something with dpkg |
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| 14:26.35 | klync | this is the output of ` apt-get -s -t unstable install subversion` |
| 14:26.40 | jesperj | Guerin, then I must download the deb for the kernel to the harddrive first right |
| 14:26.46 | Guerin | jesperj: 1 |
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| 14:26.55 | stew | klync: don't install unstable packages on stable, /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:27.03 | jesperj | Guerin, I guess that would be a boolean answer :) |
| 14:27.10 | jim | OneSeventeen: yes, likely that user is postgres. so if that's the case, you should find a process running postmaster running as postgres... do you know how to verify that? |
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| 14:27.23 | stew | jesperj: you probably have the packages already in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 14:27.26 | qom | quite new to linux (debian) and yesterday when I rebooted it, grub went dead (error 18) any simple way to fix this? |
| 14:27.28 | klync | thx stew.... I'll check that out, but afaik, there's no 1.2.x backport of svn |
| 14:27.34 | jesperj | stew, cool. Will check |
| 14:27.39 | stew | klync: read the second one then |
| 14:27.40 | OneSeventeen | jim: nope don't know how to verify that.. (new to debian as well, obviously :p ) |
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| 14:27.53 | f0rt3hmeh | when i try to move from kernel 2.4.27 to kernel 2.4.8 i get "pivot_root: No such file or directory" "/sbin/init:432:cannot open dev/console: No such file" "kernel panic: Attempted to kill init"... what should i do to fix that? |
| 14:27.53 | klync | lol... k |
| 14:27.56 | jim | OneSeventeen: ps aux | less |
| 14:27.59 | stew | jesperj: if not, get it from packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 14:28.01 | klync | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:28.15 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: 2.4.8? |
| 14:28.22 | secureboot | i'm a bit confused by the unstable xen packages in debian - they seem to install a nice xen kernel, but don't have a modules image - is this true/not true? Could I just not find it somehow? If so, why is that? |
| 14:28.23 | jim | less will let you scroll through the output of ps aux |
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| 14:28.26 | klync | thanks again stew! |
| 14:28.28 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: ohhhh...sorry 2.6.8 |
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| 14:28.43 | Kingbonecrusher | Hi! |
| 14:28.56 | jim | so, scroll through, and find either: all processes owned by postgres, or process named postmaster |
| 14:29.00 | OneSeventeen | jim: yes, user postgres is running a few postgresql processes |
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| 14:29.13 | jim | ok... |
| 14:29.24 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: can you help me? |
| 14:29.25 | qom | omgosh come on |
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| 14:29.39 | qom | I can't reach www and I bet someone can help me |
| 14:29.40 | qom | :( |
| 14:29.48 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: nope. Always worked without hassles for me, never seen that error. you're using debian kernels, right? |
| 14:29.57 | z00m | is it possible to configure samba pdc so that m$ workstations will not load profiles ? |
| 14:30.01 | f0rt3hmeh | Guerin: yeah |
| 14:30.03 | f0rt3hmeh | when i try to move from kernel 2.4.27 to kernel 2.4.8 i get "pivot_root: No such file or directory" "/sbin/init:432:cannot open dev/console: No such file" "kernel panic: Attempted to kill init"... what should i do to fix that? |
| 14:30.04 | Guerin | qom: can you ping google.com? |
| 14:30.18 | jim | by default, postgres is set up to associate users you create for postgresql specifically and users in your unix user table |
| 14:30.22 | f0rt3hmeh | kernel 2.6.8* |
| 14:30.25 | LoRez | f0rt3hmeh: pass the kernel a proper root= parameter |
| 14:30.30 | jim | OneSeventeen: understand that part? |
| 14:30.34 | qom | Guerin, aye, and I have the correct DNS |
| 14:30.34 | Guerin | f0rt3hmeh: i read it the first time. |
| 14:30.38 | qom | still I can't use ie/firefox |
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| 14:30.53 | OneSeventeen | jim: so if I create a postgres user, it wants a unix user to exist with the same name/password? |
| 14:30.56 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: how can i get the proper root= parameter... |
| 14:30.57 | Guerin | qom: you can ping any arbitrary ns name, but you can't surf web? |
| 14:31.05 | Guerin | qom: how about ftp? |
| 14:31.07 | qom | correct :/ |
| 14:31.09 | qom | haven't tried |
| 14:31.11 | Guerin | qom: telnet? |
| 14:31.15 | jesperj | will reboot now |
| 14:31.16 | LoRez | f0rt3hmeh: figure out what your root device is and tell the new kernel? |
| 14:31.18 | jim | OneSeventeen: in the default setup, -yes-. |
| 14:31.20 | qom | heh, not familiar with telnet |
| 14:31.20 | jesperj | be back soon |
| 14:31.20 | qom | :) |
| 14:31.22 | jesperj | ty |
| 14:31.41 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: for kernel 2.4.27 its /dev/hde3 .. but for 2.6.8 its not... how can i find out what is it..? |
| 14:31.44 | jim | OneSeventeen: do you want another unix user to be able to connect? |
| 14:31.47 | Guerin | qom: you needn't be, just telnet <host> <port> |
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| 14:31.58 | Guerin | qom: if it works, you have connectivity |
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| 14:32.01 | qom | well |
| 14:32.05 | qom | what should i telnet to? |
| 14:32.14 | jim | the stars! |
| 14:32.17 | Guerin | qom: anything you like. |
| 14:32.18 | qom | :D |
| 14:32.22 | qom | google.com : 80? |
| 14:32.26 | LoRez | f0rt3hmeh: why would it not be? are you using devfs? |
| 14:32.28 | Guerin | qom: sure |
| 14:32.30 | qom | didnt work |
| 14:32.31 | qom | :I |
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| 14:32.37 | Guerin | !didn't work |
| 14:32.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 14:32.38 | OneSeventeen | jim: I'm only going to be using the database via PHP scripts and one computer via pgAdmin, so hopefully I'll only need about 3 users, a PHP user, a developer user, and possibly a reporting user (read-only) |
| 14:32.41 | jim | why : ? |
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| 14:33.05 | qom | well, my xp is swedish |
| 14:33.09 | jim | OneSeventeen: ok, let's do one of those users now. |
| 14:33.12 | qom | cant translate everything, hold on |
| 14:33.15 | OneSeventeen | jim: okay |
| 14:33.16 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: devfs?? my filesystem in ext3fs |
| 14:33.16 | jim | what is the user name? |
| 14:33.17 | linux4life | Hi I got swat now, so how do I access the files on this pc using debian? |
| 14:33.38 | Guerin | qom: ok. does telnet ftp.nerim.net 21; work? |
| 14:33.39 | LoRez | f0rt3hmeh: unrelated. why would your root filesystem not be the same in 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 14:33.39 | qom | connecting to google.com..Couldn't connect to host on port 80. Connection failed |
| 14:33.39 | qom | there |
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| 14:33.57 | qom | Guerin, nu-uh |
| 14:34.09 | kh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.09 | qom | same answer aswell. |
| 14:34.10 | OneSeventeen | jim: how about dbdev as the username for now |
| 14:34.14 | sandman | How do I list all environmental variables set in a terminal? |
| 14:34.16 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez:well, since i get those kind of errors while booting, i figured that is my problem... |
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| 14:34.29 | qom | omg kh_? |
| 14:34.30 | qom | :x |
| 14:34.34 | jim | ok, first dbdev must be an existing unix user. |
| 14:34.41 | kh_ | yes qom |
| 14:34.45 | Guerin | qom: telnet hell.feayn.org 2222 |
| 14:34.45 | jim | (well, by default...) |
| 14:34.47 | ircdevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.58 | qom | kh_ the very same kh? |
| 14:35.03 | kh_ | the only one |
| 14:35.12 | qom | Guerin, nope |
| 14:35.14 | kh_ | from good ol fishbot |
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| 14:35.17 | samuel | sup all |
| 14:35.18 | OneSeventeen | jim: you keep saying by default, should I change to something not default? |
| 14:35.20 | qom | kh_ ive missed you :-( |
| 14:35.23 | qom | and mark too |
| 14:35.24 | kh_ | heh |
| 14:35.37 | Sumire | RO server= irc.yuki.deltaanime.net - #SolaceRO |
| 14:35.38 | Sumire | RO server= irc.yuki.deltaanime.net - #SolaceRO |
| 14:35.42 | OneSeventeen | jim: or are you just trying to keep me from being confused if I read something else somewhere else? |
| 14:35.43 | f0rt3hmeh | so LoRez can you heko me? |
| 14:35.44 | jim | OneSeventeen: I haven't explored the non default stuff... so I can't say |
| 14:35.45 | sandman | How do I list all environmental variables set in a terminal? |
| 14:35.48 | f0rt3hmeh | help* |
| 14:35.49 | hackeron | sandman: env |
| 14:35.52 | OneSeventeen | jim: ah, okay |
| 14:36.03 | qom | kh_ now you're bound to help me with grub \: |
| 14:36.07 | sandman | hackeron: Thanks |
| 14:36.11 | LoRez | f0rt3hmeh: make sure you're passing root=/dev/hda3 to the new kernel |
| 14:36.15 | kh_ | damnit :) |
| 14:36.17 | Guerin | qom: well, that's two common ports and an uncommon one which aren't blocked, but from which connections aren't possible. I'd say you have firewalling problems. |
| 14:36.22 | jim | I'm just mentioning it because then you can find out what else is available for pg users |
| 14:36.23 | linux4life | hello? |
| 14:36.24 | hackeron | sandman: np handsome stranger :) |
| 14:36.26 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: i am... and its not working.... |
| 14:36.33 | jim | mello |
| 14:36.41 | linux4life | what filemanager do I use to access my network files? |
| 14:36.50 | Guerin | linux4life: any one you liek |
| 14:36.50 | hackeron | sandman: so what have you been up to? |
| 14:36.54 | qom | Guerin, I'm connected directly thru my adslmodem |
| 14:37.00 | linux4life | I have rox, how do I do it? |
| 14:37.00 | sandman | Trying to get this blasted chroot to work |
| 14:37.03 | jim | linux4life: any one you want? |
| 14:37.11 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: its /dev/hde3 not hda3... for 2.4.27 is hde.... so i thought its must be hde for 2.6.8 |
| 14:37.27 | OneSeventeen | jim: okay, what's the best way to create a user in debian specifically for accessing a database? (i.e. no need for a home folder, etc) |
| 14:37.29 | Guerin | qom: are you using your ISP's nameservers? |
| 14:37.29 | linux4life | do I have to mount the samba share on here first? |
| 14:37.36 | jim | I'm assuming the network file system is mounted on your / filesystem somewhere |
| 14:37.41 | hackeron | sandman: heh, tell me about it, I have this suse 6.3 chroot temporarily while I migrate from sendmail/qpopper to postfix/cyrusimapd |
| 14:37.51 | linux4life | I don't know how to mount it |
| 14:38.02 | qom | Guerin, aye |
| 14:38.10 | LoRez | f0rt3hmeh: it may not be depending on if 2.6 detects your IDE cards in a different order. |
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| 14:38.20 | sandman | hackeron: Well, I run X outside of the chroot, and I installed freeciv inside the chroot |
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| 14:38.35 | Guerin | qom: my isp poisons their dns to route everything through their proxy, which, if you don't sign into it, gives "connection refused" for everything |
| 14:38.39 | sandman | I wanted to have the freeciv window run in the non-chroot X session |
| 14:38.41 | qom | well, this isn't my problem tbh, the grub problem is way worse \: |
| 14:38.45 | Guerin | qom: i suggest using neutral nameservers |
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| 14:38.51 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: so you are saying i have to change the number in hde3 not the letters? |
| 14:38.52 | samuel | i have a small problem... my USB mouse seems to turn off and sometimes even pulling it out and plugging it back in does not help any... is this a hardware problem or could this be software problem? lsusb seems to crash and not do anything, any ideas? |
| 14:38.58 | hackeron | sandman: freeciv --:0 maybe? |
| 14:38.59 | qom | well it has worked before, but |
| 14:39.09 | linux4life | How do I mount the samba share? |
| 14:39.10 | qom | hand me a nameserver then |
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| 14:39.18 | Guerin | qom: can you connect to 216.239.57.99:80 ? |
| 14:39.24 | jim | OneSeventeen: well, actually you could use to have a plain normal unix user... else you might have to explore the other ways (what I was calling non-default earlier) that postgres can authenticate users... for now, let's make dbdev be a normal unix user with a home dir |
| 14:39.26 | qom | thru telnet? |
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| 14:39.32 | Guerin | qom: yeah |
| 14:39.52 | sandman | hackeron: No.. |
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| 14:39.59 | qom | Guerin, nope :( |
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| 14:40.17 | jim | that way we can proceed, and you can explore the other ways yourself |
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| 14:40.21 | Sumire | RO Server: irc.yuki.deltaanime.net #SolaceRO |
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| 14:40.44 | Guerin | qom: i guess it's not dns then. |
| 14:40.47 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: so? |
| 14:40.57 | hackeron | sandman: DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 14:41.02 | hackeron | sandman: export that |
| 14:41.03 | OneSeventeen | jim: okay, so what's the best command for that? (last time I forgot some "default" variables and wound up having to start over a few times) |
| 14:41.07 | sandman | hackeron: It already is |
| 14:41.13 | sandman | hackeron: I used dchroot -d to preserve environment |
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| 14:41.36 | jim | OneSeventeen: first log in as postgres... |
| 14:41.42 | jim | then type createuser dbdev |
| 14:41.43 | sandman | How to mount /sys ? |
| 14:41.47 | nova_ | where is aspx located ? |
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| 14:42.07 | jim | (-assuming- dbdev is now an existing unix user with a home dir) |
| 14:42.15 | nova_ | i mean apxs |
| 14:42.22 | LoRez | f0rt3hmeh: no, I'm saying the letter would have to change, but you've got to figure out what order it's detecting the drives in. shift-pgup and look at the drives to see what dev's its assigning after it panics |
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| 14:42.34 | qom | Guerin, mkay.. |
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| 14:43.01 | linux4life | How do you find what /dev a XP mount is on redhat? |
| 14:43.08 | linux4life | fdisk -l doesn't work |
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| 14:43.18 | Guerin | !htfswk linux4life |
| 14:43.21 | dpkg | linux4life: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 14:43.27 | OneSeventeen | jim: okay, I have to stop you here.... while trying to find out a few details on my existing pg_hba.conf file I noticed a major error... (oops) |
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| 14:43.40 | hackeron | sandman: mount -t sysfs none /sys I think |
| 14:43.49 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: after it panics i have to reboot... |
| 14:43.49 | salvia | !htfswk Guerin |
| 14:43.50 | dpkg | Guerin: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 14:44.04 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: what exaclty to do to see what it assigns? |
| 14:44.10 | salvia | i love people that knows the s3cr3t commands of dpkg |
| 14:44.20 | LoRez | f0rt3hmeh: duh. but you can also shift-pgup to look at what it printed _before_ it panics |
| 14:44.36 | nova_ | isn't there a dev package for apache2 |
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| 14:44.39 | stew | linux4life: if its mounted you would see it in "mount", but if you are running redhat, you should be asking in #redhat or #fedora or something, not here |
| 14:44.41 | jim | OneSeventeen: you did copy the original pg_hba.conf so you wouldn't lose it? |
| 14:44.48 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: oh.. .yeah... omg im so stupid.. ok thanks im going to check not |
| 14:44.50 | f0rt3hmeh | LoRez: oh.. .yeah... omg im so stupid.. ok thanks im going to check now* |
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| 14:44.57 | OneSeventeen | jim: I made a local user via postgres issuing the createuser command after making dbdev |
| 14:45.03 | LoRez | o_O |
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| 14:45.10 | OneSeventeen | jim: yes, I have a copy of the original |
| 14:45.15 | stew | nova_: apt-cache search apache2 dev |
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| 14:45.18 | jim | excellent |
| 14:45.38 | jim | ok, now see if dbdev can connect |
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| 14:45.52 | nova_ | stew: it only gives the threaded version |
| 14:45.55 | jim | btw, how did you answer the questions you got from createuser? |
| 14:45.57 | OneSeventeen | jim: the original wasn't working for some reason, so I changed ident to md5 in the pg_hba file |
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| 14:46.07 | OneSeventeen | jim: now I can connect via phpPgAdmin |
| 14:46.07 | Guerin | salvia: htfswk what? |
| 14:46.10 | jim | ohh |
| 14:46.18 | Guerin | salvia: did I ask a question you should the fuck know? |
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| 14:46.25 | jim | so you're moreorless all set |
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| 14:46.37 | jim | but just so you know... |
| 14:46.50 | OneSeventeen | jim: yes, and knowing to create the unix user first made all the difference, thanks! |
| 14:46.50 | stew | nova_: here it finds prefork and threaded |
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| 14:47.15 | jim | if a user can create databases, that doesn't make that user a pg admin-level user... but |
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| 14:47.39 | sandman | This bloody thing isn't working |
| 14:47.39 | jim | if a user can create more users, that -does- make that user a pg admin-level user |
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| 14:47.47 | nova_ | stew: prefork is the same as apache2 install ? |
| 14:47.48 | wang | anyone using the new openoffice yet? |
| 14:47.52 | samuel | i have a small problem... my USB mouse seems to turn off and sometimes even pulling it out and plugging it back in does not help any... is this a hardware problem or could this be software problem? lsusb seems to crash and not do anything, any ideas? |
| 14:47.53 | lex_ | Hullo guys.... Ive got a legacy app (on sad sad progres) that spurts out text to be printed. Weird thing is, from hpux it prints fine to a PCL6 compliant printer, its supposed to be a raw printer. But when i try it with linux (be it cups or lprng), it doesnt print the same. So my question is: ¿Where can i meddle with the cups filter that "treats" text in the cups filter pipeline?) |
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| 14:48.16 | OneSeventeen | jim: so when it asks if I want the user to create other users, and I say "yes" then they're admin level? |
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| 14:48.28 | jim | yes, exactly. |
| 14:48.36 | OneSeventeen | jim: cool thanks! |
| 14:48.43 | stew | nova_: as i understand it, maybe but not definately |
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| 14:49.04 | Entranced | I'm running Sid here and udev seems to be giving me crap with the new kernel... /dev/input/ mouse wtc. is not being created... any ideas how to overcome this ? |
| 14:49.06 | jesperj | Thank you very much guys |
| 14:49.10 | nova_ | stew: hmm ok ty i'll look further for it |
| 14:49.12 | jesperj | it worked to install the kernel with dpkg |
| 14:49.18 | jesperj | and then udev worked |
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| 14:49.20 | jesperj | brb |
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| 14:49.36 | OneSeventeen | jim: some of this simple stuff is the hardest to grasp for some reason, but hopefully as I learn more about postgres' syntax and structure I can apply what I already know about other databases |
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| 14:49.45 | jim | OneSeventeen: so we've glossed over some of the commands used... so when you have time: man createuser man ps man useradd |
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| 14:50.01 | stew | nova_: /msg dpkg depends apache2 ; you have your choice |
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| 14:50.26 | OneSeventeen | jim: thanks. I'm sure I'll be back after reading through those and having some other simple error. |
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| 14:51.22 | jim | OneSeventeen: one thing you can do that's fairly nice for when you're putting queries together... is run emacs, then do M-x shell <enter>, then run psql <whicheverdatabase> inside emacs |
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| 14:51.29 | OneSeventeen | jim: one last thing that's going to show how new I am at postgres: if I want to create a table, I would be placing the table inside a schema which is inside a database, correct? |
| 14:51.50 | OneSeventeen | jim: cool |
| 14:51.54 | lex_ | OneSeventeen, Yes...although, you might wanna go to #postgresql |
| 14:52.12 | jim | yes, that's right. by default, the schema is the public schema, which is named public :) |
| 14:52.22 | OneSeventeen | lex_: yeah, now that I've got the debian side of things figured out I probably should go back there for DB talk |
| 14:52.37 | lex_ | The debian side is: apt-get install postgresql ....:) |
| 14:52.58 | wimdh | I'm looking for a tutorial on C. Can someone point me to a location? |
| 14:53.04 | OneSeventeen | lex_: which installs postgresql with certain defaults the folks in #postgresql claimed to be not familiar with |
| 14:53.18 | jim | but there are also some commands that debian doesn't put in (place like) /usr/bin... |
| 14:53.33 | jim | so if you want access to those, you'll have to alter your path |
| 14:53.33 | sandman | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ <== is that still accurate? I thought etch was going to get security updates |
| 14:53.45 | lex_ | OneSeventeen, yeah...theyll do that... a merry lot they are. Should try #mysql as well. They also dont like to give support for anything else but what you install through mysql.com |
| 14:53.50 | OneSeventeen | I don't have to really come here *too* often for debian related stuff, becuase for the most part, it just works |
| 14:53.51 | lex_ | :) |
| 14:53.56 | jim | wimdh: find comp.lang.c faq; there is a list there |
| 14:53.57 | OneSeventeen | (which is kind of nice, for an OS to do) |
| 14:54.00 | Guerin | !testing security |
| 14:54.00 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
| 14:54.08 | wimdh | Thnx jim! |
| 14:54.18 | lex_ | OneSeventeen, I was just trying to tell you there is also a postgres channel. You can ask away here as well |
| 14:54.20 | hackeron | sandman: it does, try adding deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:54.28 | stew | dpkg: udev 2.6.12 is <reply> if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from packages.debian.org and installing it with dpkg -i |
| 14:54.29 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 14:54.45 | qom | kh_ you can't see my pm's i suppose |
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| 14:54.50 | jim | try groups.google.com for newsgroup comp.lang.c or rtfm.mit.edu for just tha faqs mam |
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| 14:58.17 | Beru | hi there |
| 14:58.40 | Beru | Im looking for help choosing my debian package, I found a big list.. someone can provide me this help ? |
| 14:58.58 | stew | Beru: we need more info |
| 14:59.02 | Guerin | Beru: man grep |
| 14:59.11 | kh_ | qom: nope, register yourself |
| 14:59.39 | Beru | ok |
| 14:59.40 | qom | how. |
| 14:59.46 | Beru | Im trying to get ncurses package |
| 14:59.56 | kh_ | /msg nickserv register passwordblabla |
| 15:00.04 | valdyn | Beru: what for? |
| 15:00.07 | Beru | I connected to ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ncurses/ |
| 15:00.21 | beardy | kh_: Choose another password :) |
| 15:00.22 | valdyn | Beru: why the hell would you do that |
| 15:00.23 | Beru | to install kernel-source package |
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| 15:00.28 | jim | Beru: what is needing to use ncurses? |
| 15:00.37 | valdyn | Beru: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 15:00.42 | jim | ohh, you want to run make menuconfig |
| 15:00.44 | valdyn | !tell Beru -about search |
| 15:01.01 | Beru | jim YES ! |
| 15:01.04 | Beru | u right |
| 15:01.11 | Beru | I wanna make menuconfig |
| 15:01.16 | beardy | !u |
| 15:01.17 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:01.19 | Beru | but actually I can't use apt-get |
| 15:01.30 | valdyn | Beru: why cant you? |
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| 15:01.34 | Beru | I've got no connexion on my debian |
| 15:01.37 | jim | Damnit beardy! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:01.41 | Beru | I need kernel-sources to install it |
| 15:01.46 | valdyn | Beru: then install apt-zip and use that |
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| 15:01.54 | Beru | and I need ncurses to install kernel-sources |
| 15:02.01 | beardy | jim: heh |
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| 15:02.26 | valdyn | !apt-zip |
| 15:02.26 | dpkg | from memory, apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 15:02.30 | jim | beardy: afaiac, it's the same thing :P |
| 15:02.31 | jim | :) |
| 15:02.35 | beardy | jim: Did that factoid get written because of you? |
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| 15:02.49 | Beru | well |
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| 15:02.54 | jim | no... |
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| 15:03.08 | jim | some yahoo added a dammit jim to it |
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| 15:03.22 | Pfated | I think it's a reference to a Doctor on Trek somewhere. |
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| 15:03.28 | Beru | apt-zip doesn't need internet connection ?? |
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| 15:03.46 | jim | hhhelp me ssspock |
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| 15:04.21 | jim | I got pinched in the neck by a wang! |
| 15:04.22 | rjalex | clean install from testing ISO, manual package selection. Why is it that sudo did not display ANYTHING until I simply discovered that the BOB user was not in the /etc/sudoers file ? It usually reports a message saying something like "the admin has been notified" ... any explanations ? tx |
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| 15:05.12 | valdyn | rjalex: maybe you dont even have an mta yet |
| 15:05.19 | valdyn | rjalex: which would be stupid, but is possible |
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| 15:05.49 | Beru | but how will apt-zip get ncurses package ?? |
| 15:05.49 | beardy | jim: sounds unpleasant |
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| 15:05.53 | Beru | I don't understand |
| 15:05.56 | Mo3 | how do i change my gtk theme in debian |
| 15:05.56 | jim | valdyn: well it -is- testing.. maybe there's some dep problem preventing the mta from working |
| 15:05.59 | nova_ | how can i enable multiple audio streams? |
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| 15:06.28 | valdyn | Beru: what about dpkg's info is unclear? did you read the docs yet? |
| 15:06.39 | valdyn | !spoonfeed Beru |
| 15:06.40 | dpkg | Silly Beru, Unix tricks are for bots. |
| 15:06.44 | rjalex | valdyn: that is the case my friend ... should I go with std EXIM or maybe try out Postfix ? |
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| 15:06.56 | valdyn | !default |
| 15:06.57 | dpkg | If in you don't know any better, always choose the default. |
| 15:07.06 | valdyn | rjalex: ^^^ |
| 15:07.13 | lex_ | A CUPS question: Question.... ive a mime.types entry such as text/plain txt printable(0,1024) .... i need a reference for those parameters. Where do i get it |
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| 15:07.26 | valdyn | rjalex: exim4 is alright, and default. |
| 15:07.35 | Beru | read the doc ? |
| 15:07.38 | jim | if in the world of better-knowing you don't know better? |
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| 15:07.44 | valdyn | !rtfm |
| 15:07.44 | dpkg | [rtfm] Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 15:07.47 | rjalex | valdyn: ok ... will select and install thank you very much |
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| 15:08.13 | Beru | could it be this --> libncurses5 ? |
| 15:08.33 | valdyn | Beru: is *already* told you that you need libncurses5-dev |
| 15:09.04 | jim | Beru: libncurses5-dev |
| 15:09.14 | Joel1 | how would i undo doing a chmod O= on a directory |
| 15:09.19 | Beru | -dev ? |
| 15:09.22 | Beru | ok |
| 15:09.31 | Beru | what does dev means ? developpement ? |
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| 15:09.46 | jim | Beru, because: the kernel source must BUILD something (written in C) against the libs, so: you need the -dev part |
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| 15:09.58 | valdyn | Beru: I *already* told you that you need libncurses5-dev |
| 15:09.59 | valdyn | Beru: right |
| 15:10.09 | Beru | ok |
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| 15:10.30 | Beru | dpkg -i <package-name.dem> is enough to install a package ? |
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| 15:10.33 | valdyn | Beru: maybe, seeing that you aren't to familiar with this stuff you are better off with a stock debian kernel image |
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| 15:10.39 | stew | Beru: you'd better have build-essential and all that it depends on as well |
| 15:10.45 | rjalex | friends, what is the proper way (if there is one) to have openoffice 2.0 installed on an otherwise clean testing install ?? |
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| 15:11.21 | jim | Beru: dpkg -i /local/path/to/<name-of-file-containing-debian-package> |
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| 15:11.36 | Beru | it's hard to understand you when being french :p |
| 15:11.39 | azeem | Beru: why do you want to compile your own kernel? |
| 15:11.42 | Beru | jim thank you |
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| 15:11.44 | jim | or, if remote, apt-get install packagename |
| 15:11.46 | Anthro | !fr |
| 15:11.47 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:11.48 | valdyn | rjalex: I suppose grab it from openoffice.org and install it somewhere it does not interfere with debian packages ( like /opt, /usr/local or in your home dir ) |
| 15:11.53 | stew | rjalex: afaik there are no 2.0 packages yet. you may wnat to check with #debian-oo |
| 15:11.59 | Beru | azeem to install internet connection |
| 15:12.02 | jim | Beru: for me, it's not easy being green! |
| 15:12.14 | rjalex | stew: thanks |
| 15:12.14 | Eggplant`3 | Is there a debian installer that has a serial console enabled? |
| 15:12.14 | Beru | ?? |
| 15:12.16 | azeem | Beru: what kind of internet connection fo you have? |
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| 15:12.23 | Beru | ADSL modem USB |
| 15:12.26 | valdyn | rjalex: now there is experimental packages, those did work for me, doesnt mean they wont fuck your system anytime. |
| 15:12.46 | rjalex | valdyn: will try ... thanks |
| 15:13.20 | xenium | Hi |
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| 15:13.31 | superkitty | Hi |
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| 15:14.31 | jim | Beru: any way you could trade the usb adsl modem in for an ethernet adsl modem? |
| 15:14.55 | Beru | actually, it would be nice, but the LAN cable I receive with my modem doesn't seem to work |
| 15:15.03 | valdyn | 2.6 kernels do support a few adsl usb modems.. 2.6.13+ or somesuch =/ |
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| 15:15.23 | Anthro | !2.6.13 |
| 15:15.24 | dpkg | hmm... 2.6.13 is ask me about 2.6 or read this thread <http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/09/msg00217.html> to find out why it isn't available yet |
| 15:15.31 | valdyn | Beru: now would you think that is the cables fault? |
| 15:15.35 | valdyn | Beru: now why would you think that is the cables fault? |
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| 15:15.52 | jim | blame the cable... break the table... |
| 15:15.58 | Beru | because it IS the cable fault |
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| 15:16.16 | jim | how do you have it connected exactly? |
| 15:16.19 | Beru | I know windows pretty well.. I tried with my cable, and now I do know it IS the cable |
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| 15:16.30 | jim | do you have an eth modem now? |
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| 15:16.42 | wang | it's pretty common to get a faulty pre-crimped cat5 cable |
| 15:16.45 | xenium | anyone here fit with oracle? |
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| 15:17.00 | jim | xenium: no, I'm much too large |
| 15:17.07 | wang | haha |
| 15:17.09 | Hannibal | valdyn: are you around? |
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| 15:17.17 | savio_R | I can't instal anything cause aptitude want to remove e2fsprogs. The message error: |
| 15:17.18 | valdyn | yes |
| 15:17.19 | savio_R | E: Esta execução de instalação irá requerer remover temporariamente o pacote essencial e2fsprogs devido a um loop de Conflitos/Pré-Dependências. Isso geralmente é ruim, mas se você realmente quer fazer isso, ative a opção APT::Force-LoopBreak. |
| 15:17.20 | savio_R | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 15:17.20 | savio_R | Ack! Algo ruim aconteceu durante a instalação de pacotes. Tentando recuperar: |
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| 15:17.29 | wang | uh |
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| 15:17.43 | Hannibal | valdyn: I can't get mplayer to work either. I've messed around a bit on my own for quite a while, but really can't figure out how to fix it. |
| 15:17.46 | Beru | jim my modem is both ethernet and USB one |
| 15:17.51 | wang | savio_R : tu necessito ayuda en #debian-es - chili con carne |
| 15:17.53 | Hannibal | valdyn: could you take a look at the output? |
| 15:17.55 | Beru | a sagem F@st 908 |
| 15:18.17 | valdyn | Hannibal: sure |
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| 15:18.27 | jim | Beru: ok, so you have two eth cables, one works, the other doesn't? |
| 15:18.33 | wang | lol i said chili con carne |
| 15:18.36 | Beru | I've just one |
| 15:18.39 | xenium | :) should i be able to open my 10R1 server on linux with enterprise manager 9 on windows |
| 15:18.44 | xenium | ? |
| 15:18.45 | Beru | one USB cable and on ethernet cable |
| 15:18.46 | Hannibal | valdyn: http://debian.pastebin.com/370997, thanks :) |
| 15:18.49 | jim | ok, so that rules out a hub |
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| 15:19.07 | wang | Beru: you don't have a fluke meter? |
| 15:19.11 | wang | Beru: wait wait |
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| 15:19.23 | Beru | fluke meter ? |
| 15:19.30 | valdyn | Hannibal: try again as root |
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| 15:19.52 | Eggplant`3 | What is the best way to do a debian install on a headless box? |
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| 15:20.40 | valdyn | !headless install |
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| 15:21.35 | DotHack | Why isnt the firefox icon the official one? |
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| 15:22.26 | snail | DotHack: because it's a copyright issue? |
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| 15:22.31 | wang_ | Beru: wait wait did this cable come with a dialup modem? |
| 15:22.51 | jim | wang: when they work, it's a fluke... |
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| 15:22.57 | jim | I bought these three dmms for like 10 bux each cause I didn't need the awesome... umm... awesomeness... of a fluke |
| 15:22.58 | DotHack | snail, Why? |
| 15:23.02 | valdyn | Hannibal: so? what happens when you try as root? |
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| 15:23.25 | wang_ | dude fluke one touche's with intelligent remotes are gnarley |
| 15:23.31 | wang_ | touch's |
| 15:23.31 | snail | DotHack: because they won't licence debian the copytright to the official image under a DFSG compliant licence |
| 15:23.33 | cheal | DotHack: why would it be the official one? |
| 15:23.33 | Hannibal | valdyn: I have no clue as to why it can't read from /hdb |
| 15:23.33 | Hannibal | valdyn: that part works as root, but x doesn't let me open a window |
| 15:23.33 | Hannibal | (as root) |
| 15:23.33 | Hannibal | valdyn: I can read the mounted drive on my normal user account |
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| 15:23.50 | DotHack | cheal, I like it more! |
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| 15:24.11 | savio_R | wang, do you have any idea? |
| 15:24.13 | Hannibal | :s |
| 15:24.15 | cheal | DotHack: then why didn't you do it before mozilla did... |
| 15:24.26 | valdyn | Hannibal: whoever can read the mounted drive is set in your mount options, whoever can play back a dvd is set by unix permissions |
| 15:24.26 | wang_ | savio_R : i don't understand your error, i don't speak spanish |
| 15:24.28 | wang_ | lo siento |
| 15:24.33 | DotHack | cheal, ? |
| 15:24.41 | Hannibal | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 15:24.43 | Hannibal | Xlib: No protocol specified |
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| 15:24.47 | valdyn | Hannibal: now, 'ls -l /dev/hdb' |
| 15:24.49 | Hannibal | after that it hung at first |
| 15:24.51 | snail | DotHack: search for mozilla in debian-legal there have been lots of discussions of this |
| 15:24.54 | cheal | DotHack: so that you can copyleft it |
| 15:24.58 | valdyn | Hannibal: you need to use sux or sudo to become root, not 'su' |
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| 15:25.13 | savio_R | wang, sabes o que é e2fsprgos |
| 15:25.15 | Hannibal | valdyn: okay, this is going to be stupid... how do I use sudo? |
| 15:25.23 | Hannibal | if I just use my root password, it fails :s |
| 15:25.25 | DotHack | snail, i've been searching for that but it seems 50-50 to me |
| 15:25.31 | savio_R | wang, sabes o que é e2fsprogs? |
| 15:25.35 | wang_ | savio_R : yo no comprendo nada espanol, yo es gringo stupido |
| 15:25.39 | valdyn | Hannibal: read the manpage ( later ), for now just use sux please so we can solve 1 problem after the other.. |
| 15:25.39 | snail | DotHack: are you a lawyer? |
| 15:25.44 | DotHack | snail, 50% says its ok to use the other 50 say its not ok |
| 15:25.54 | valdyn | Hannibal: apt-get install sux, that tool is used just like 'su' |
| 15:25.56 | wang_ | savio_R : tu necessito ayuda en #debian-es |
| 15:26.05 | Hannibal | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 64 2005-02-26 07:38 /dev/hdb |
| 15:26.13 | kazzil | i just did my first laptop update in 5 months |
| 15:26.18 | kazzil | man is it ever running fast now |
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| 15:26.22 | kazzil | X is just ripping right along |
| 15:26.28 | snail | DotHack: legal issues are not settled democratically, they're settled by court. |
| 15:26.32 | valdyn | Hannibal: that doesn't look like a cdrom, you sure it is? |
| 15:26.36 | kazzil | thats the first time i've ever noticed a performance upgrade from dist-upgrade |
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| 15:26.43 | valdyn | Hannibal: 'dpkg -l udev' |
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| 15:27.19 | Hannibal | valdyn: not installed, no description available |
| 15:27.24 | DotHack | snail, bleh isnt there some unofficial apt repository which install the right icon.. |
| 15:27.43 | kazzil | you dont want udev anyways, it only breaks shit. =] |
| 15:27.58 | Hannibal | and I'm 100% sure it's a cdrom |
| 15:28.03 | Hannibal | it did read the cdrom as root. |
| 15:28.04 | valdyn | Hannibal: ok, 'cat /proc/ide/hdb/driver' |
| 15:28.13 | Hannibal | err, dvd |
| 15:28.15 | Hannibal | doh. |
| 15:28.19 | nova_ | what do i need to install to get startx? :) |
| 15:28.34 | Hannibal | ide-cdrom version 4.61 |
| 15:28.38 | cheal | nova_: x-window-system-core ? |
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| 15:28.56 | nova_ | cheal: ah ok :) was trying it with just XFree |
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| 15:29.09 | DotHack | snail, and why does debian use the name firefox then? |
| 15:29.15 | valdyn | Hannibal: alright, now ( as root ): 'chown root.cdrom /dev/hdb' |
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| 15:30.32 | valdyn | Hannibal: let me know when you're done |
| 15:30.35 | Hannibal | okay. |
| 15:30.44 | Hannibal | valdyn: it didn't output anything - should it? |
| 15:31.02 | valdyn | Hannibal: nope, ls -l /dev/hdb should tell you that its group is now no longer disk but cdrom |
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| 15:31.18 | Hannibal | right, it does. |
| 15:31.32 | valdyn | Hannibal: now add your user to cdrom group 'adduser <username> cdrom' |
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| 15:31.53 | Hannibal | valdyn: I don't need to, apparently |
| 15:32.03 | Hannibal | valdyn: I'm impatient, I tested it. It works now :) |
| 15:32.17 | valdyn | Hannibal: ok, so your user already was in the cdrom group |
| 15:32.26 | Hannibal | valdyn: I presume so, yeah |
| 15:32.34 | Hannibal | valdyn: so now what about sux and/or sudo? |
| 15:32.43 | Hannibal | because both give me an 'authentication failure' |
| 15:32.57 | Hannibal | while I'm pretty sure I type my password exactly as I do when I use su |
| 15:33.11 | valdyn | Hannibal: eh? sux<enter>rootpassword<enter> gives you root and you can then start X programs. |
| 15:33.24 | Hannibal | okay. :) |
| 15:33.35 | Hannibal | valdyn: last question... how do I change the display ratio in mplayer? |
| 15:33.55 | Hannibal | it's squashed at the moment :P |
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| 15:34.20 | valdyn | Hannibal: 'mplayer -aspect 4:3' iirc |
| 15:34.20 | valdyn | Hannibal: umm, dvd should have the right ratio by default |
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| 15:34.38 | Hannibal | that's odd. It's using 4:3, but the dvd uses 16:9 |
| 15:34.46 | Hannibal | which makes it look squashed horizontally |
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| 15:36.19 | Pfated | Tell it to use 16:9, then. |
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| 15:36.41 | The_Ball | im trying to remove all kde packages, any hints please? |
| 15:36.44 | Hannibal | player -aspect 16:9 -dvd-device /dev/hdb dvd:// |
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| 15:36.48 | Hannibal | *m |
| 15:36.51 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 15:36.51 | dpkg | hmm... remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 15:36.53 | Hannibal | still gives the same result |
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| 15:37.14 | The_Ball | thanks alot! |
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| 15:37.27 | phanter | hello. does anybody knows how to access a gmail account with libgmail.py ? |
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| 15:37.31 | valdyn | Hannibal: widescreen movies tend to look somewhat 'squashed' |
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| 15:37.38 | Hannibal | valdyn: :( |
| 15:37.42 | Hannibal | any way to fix that? |
| 15:37.53 | valdyn | Hannibal: you can enter any aspect ratio you want |
| 15:37.54 | michael | I need to install wiki on my website. I need something real simple that supports user registration. Any suggestions? |
| 15:38.04 | valdyn | Hannibal: still at some movies you might want to zoom in at fullscreen |
| 15:38.10 | stew | phanter: if thats from a debian package, check /usr/share/doc/pkgname/* |
| 15:38.17 | xdumped | [michael]: tikiwiki |
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| 15:38.35 | snail | DotHack: names are not copyrightable, icons are... |
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| 15:39.15 | By-Tor | michael: I don't really know of any Wiki's that have user registration. Kinda goes against the wiki concept. |
| 15:39.32 | By-Tor | michael: Try mediawiki, they might have that option. |
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| 15:40.06 | snail | michael: what exactly do you mean by "user registration" |
| 15:40.12 | phanter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.23 | fatalerror | anyone knows about attempts to remove e2fsprogs? |
| 15:40.24 | By-Tor | snail: most wiki's are anonymous. |
| 15:40.38 | nova_ | i want xfce4.2 is it better to compile from source or take it from testing? |
| 15:40.40 | fatalerror | I mean, people have been complaining about it for some time, and I have no idea about what's going on |
| 15:40.41 | LSorensen | By-Tor: many have user registration, to try and combat spam |
| 15:40.43 | Anthro | !pal phanter |
| 15:40.47 | trueno | !install openoffice |
| 15:40.53 | trueno | !openoffice |
| 15:40.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. OpenOffice.org 2 beta is packaged in experimental as openoffice.org2. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org |
| 15:40.57 | norskfjord | can i mount a vfat diskdrive if it's detected as secondary slave? |
| 15:41.06 | LSorensen | nova_: backporting a package is much better than an install from source. easier to remove later too |
| 15:41.11 | By-Tor | LSorense: tavi.sf.net has antispam w/o registration. you have to enter one of those graphics as text. |
| 15:41.21 | snail | By-Tor: most wikis are largely psudonomous |
| 15:41.24 | trueno | !xorg |
| 15:41.24 | dpkg | somebody said xorg was X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg> |
| 15:41.26 | valdyn | norskfjord: hmm? why not? |
| 15:41.34 | LSorensen | By-Tor: hmm, neat. I wonder how efective it is |
| 15:41.37 | By-Tor | snail: Thats sortof what I mean. |
| 15:41.39 | superkitty | I am runnig etch and just did an upgrade and end up with an unmet dependany cause by hal |
| 15:41.40 | trueno | !get xorg |
| 15:41.40 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 15:41.40 | nova_ | LSorensen: is there something on the web about using testing in stable |
| 15:41.55 | norskfjord | well when I do fdisk -l it doesn't show anything |
| 15:41.55 | trueno | !xorg sarge |
| 15:41.55 | dpkg | xorg sarge is, like, http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 15:41.56 | LSorensen | nova_: it's generally not recomended or not even possible |
| 15:42.01 | valdyn | !xfve4.2 |
| 15:42.04 | valdyn | !xfce4.2 |
| 15:42.05 | dpkg | well, xfce4.2 is in unstable |
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| 15:42.07 | cheal | nova_: take it from testing, depending on how much non-xfce dependencies it forces to install/upgrade |
| 15:42.09 | nova_ | LSorensen: so compiling is better? |
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| 15:42.24 | LSorensen | nova_: well taking the package source from testing and buliding it (and any dependancies) is better |
| 15:42.31 | LSorensen | nova_: beast upgrading to testing's libc |
| 15:42.32 | By-Tor | nova_: Switch to Sid and make your life simpler ;) |
| 15:42.34 | LSorensen | er beats |
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| 15:42.58 | LSorensen | nova_: apt-get source -b xfce4.2 with a deb-src line for sid in your sources.list |
| 15:43.04 | Mr_Morden | how can I mount ntfs partitions in Debian sarge? |
| 15:43.12 | cheal | LSorensen: I don't think testing xfce 4.2 uses a libc6>sarge |
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| 15:43.21 | cheal | !tell Mr_Morden about ntfs |
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| 15:43.31 | LSorensen | cheal: I would think it does |
| 15:43.37 | LSorensen | cheal: but I haven't looked |
| 15:43.37 | By-Tor | !tell By-Tor about ntfs |
| 15:43.41 | nova_ | By-Tor: is sid very unstable? :) |
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| 15:43.46 | LSorensen | nova_: sometimes. |
| 15:43.57 | cheal | !tell Mr_Morden about ro-ntfs |
| 15:44.03 | LSorensen | nova_: I find it usually better than anything ever released by redhat or mandrake |
| 15:44.07 | cheal | that factoid seems more pertinent |
| 15:44.26 | nova_ | LSorensen: heh redhat..mandrake :) |
| 15:44.28 | LSorensen | nova_: so stable depends on your level of standards. Debian's are rather high. :) |
| 15:44.28 | By-Tor | nova_: I don't think its unstable at all. |
| 15:44.43 | By-Tor | nova_: Most stable than Fedora or Centos. |
| 15:44.46 | LSorensen | nova_: for a home machine, I run unstable |
| 15:44.54 | norskfjord | valdyn!!!! |
| 15:45.03 | By-Tor | nova_: On servers, mission critical stuff, I use stable. |
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| 15:45.16 | nova_ | By-Tor: well it's just desktop :) |
| 15:45.21 | cheal | By-Tor: please...unstable is unstable |
| 15:45.25 | LSorensen | nova_: currently I am rebuilding gcc-4.0.1 for sarge so I can run the 2.6.12 kernel packages without having to run libc6 and such from unstable |
| 15:45.34 | superkitty | anyone know how to fix the hal dependancy thing |
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| 15:45.49 | nova_ | LSorensen: :) nice |
| 15:45.49 | LSorensen | nova_: I find doing selective backports/rebuilds of packages works for me |
| 15:45.56 | yalu | hello people... what do the words "search engine marketing" tell you? |
| 15:46.04 | cheal | LSorensen: hum, why do you need to do this? |
| 15:46.06 | LSorensen | yalu: scam/ripoff |
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| 15:46.15 | nova_ | By-Tor: is it trouble some to go from stable to sid |
| 15:46.32 | LSorensen | cheal: then I don't have to rebuild kernels myself when a new kernel upgrade hits unstable. I find 2.6.8 doesn't liek some new machines |
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| 15:46.47 | By-Tor | nova_: I don't know about recently. I moved from testing to unstable about 3 or four years ago. |
| 15:46.51 | LSorensen | cheal: and I need gcc-4.0 to build kernel modules if I am running an unstable kernel package |
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| 15:47.14 | EdgEy | i moved from testing to unstable a few days ago, no problems at all |
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| 15:47.30 | nova_ | well i need from stable to testing :) |
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| 15:47.44 | cheal | LSorensen: ah, I see |
| 15:47.53 | By-Tor | nova_: I started Deb in stable in around 2000 or 2001. I moved from stable to testing once "testing" was available. I don't remember when that was. |
| 15:48.01 | superkitty | what are the benifits to running sid compared to sarge? |
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| 15:48.04 | yalu | LSorensen: why scam? |
| 15:48.08 | fatalerror | superkitty: none |
| 15:48.11 | nova_ | superkitty: more cutting edge :) |
| 15:48.12 | fatalerror | superkitty: stay with sarge |
| 15:48.18 | cheal | superkitty: having a broken system |
| 15:48.24 | Aradorn | i hate bind |
| 15:48.25 | fatalerror | nova_: and more brokenness most users won't be able to deal with |
| 15:48.26 | Aradorn | just for the record |
| 15:48.29 | By-Tor | nova_: Then I immediatly lept into unstable, which to me doesn't seem to be that unstable. At least not for me. |
| 15:48.36 | fatalerror | please, if a *user* is asking, tell them to keep stable |
| 15:48.45 | nova_ | lol |
| 15:49.02 | othernoob | is tarzeau around? |
| 15:49.05 | fatalerror | unstable is not supported, unstable breaks, users will blame debian for unstable instability, without knowing it's supposed to be this way |
| 15:49.09 | Anthro | !lol |
| 15:49.09 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:49.10 | valdyn | unstable can be really ugly and having had unstable for 3 days is hardly a valuable test |
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| 15:49.17 | xin_ | hi |
| 15:49.26 | xin_ | how can i install a previous version of php4? |
| 15:49.29 | nova_ | i am comming from freebsd.. but i don't know yet what testing is for debian.. like stable for fedor :) |
| 15:49.39 | othernoob | heh is laughter? mmh... |
| 15:49.41 | fatalerror | nova_: just keep stable, please |
| 15:49.53 | stew | xin_: apt-get install php4=version possibly, but why do you ask? |
| 15:50.18 | superkitty | i understand that sid is unstable and breaks, but i am already running etch |
| 15:50.22 | nova_ | fatalerror: lol.. :) i will just compile it then and see how it fals :) |
| 15:50.29 | xin_ | hum, ok. i've tried it, it says the version i want, 4.3.9 doesn't exist |
| 15:50.35 | stew | nova_: testing will become frozen at some point, only allowing in bugfixes, then it will be declared the new stable, at which time a new testing is created |
| 15:50.36 | fatalerror | nova_: compile? huh? |
| 15:50.40 | cheal | superkitty: etch only has a small part of sid's breakage |
| 15:50.45 | xin_ | i need it for a mapping program called maplab. its very unstable on newer versions |
| 15:51.04 | Fackamato | When I try to chroot I get this: |
| 15:51.04 | Anthro | superkitty: etch is currently testing, and testing experiences less breakage than unstable. |
| 15:51.05 | nova_ | fatalerror: ow wrong person :) i was asking for xfce4.2 that's wy the recommed me for testing |
| 15:51.15 | Fackamato | root@celly400:/bin # chroot /new/ /bin/bash |
| 15:51.15 | Fackamato | chroot: kan inte köra kommando "/bin/bash": Filen eller katalogen finns inte |
| 15:51.16 | superkitty | cheal, i have only come across on issue so far, and that is upgrading hal |
| 15:51.20 | xin_ | stew, do you know any repositories that keep old versions of php? |
| 15:51.23 | Fackamato | (can't run this command, file or directory doens't exist)= |
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| 15:51.46 | stew | xin_: /msg dpkg sdn ; maybe. why do you need an old version? |
| 15:51.49 | By-Tor | I've ran Sid for about 3 years now, with very few problems. |
| 15:52.00 | cheal | !start a sid veterans war |
| 15:52.00 | dpkg | I survived sid's libc5 from Micro$oft upstream bug, but I still run it! |
| 15:52.06 | nova_ | lol very confusing in here :) |
| 15:52.14 | By-Tor | Of course, I'm hardly a n00b thou. |
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| 15:52.22 | xin_ | stew, I've said above. this program called maplab has major issues with newer versions |
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| 15:52.54 | By-Tor | I've been running Linux since Slackware was first released. |
| 15:52.55 | xin_ | stew, thanks for sdn tip, looks like exactly what i need:D |
| 15:53.10 | stew | xin_: unfortunately sdn only goes back a couple of months these days |
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| 15:53.21 | superkitty | By-Tor why debian over slackware? |
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| 15:53.43 | enyc | supr: good question. long story ;-) |
| 15:53.44 | By-Tor | superkitty: I've ran the debian installer ONCE on my primary machine almost 5 years ago. |
| 15:54.00 | By-Tor | superkitty: apt ownz. |
| 15:54.09 | rjalex | anyone know how to get GAIM making sounds (sound is working for example with XMMS) ??? |
| 15:54.11 | EdgEy | apt > * |
| 15:54.12 | apt | rumour has it, * is asterisk |
| 15:54.20 | EdgEy | lol |
| 15:54.32 | valdyn | rjalex: you're using alsa? |
| 15:54.34 | nova_ | By-Tor: the new pkg manager from the radhat makers looks promesing |
| 15:54.36 | Anthro | rjalex: What sound output is xmms using? |
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| 15:54.46 | xin_ | stew, I'll try my luck. do you know how i can list all versions of a program to be installed using apt? |
| 15:55.07 | Anthro | nova_: It's a port of apt, and it works as well as apt, but what makes Debian great is the packaging policy and strict adherence to it. |
| 15:55.23 | stew | xin_: not sure what you mean, apt-cache policy pkgname ; or maybe apt-get -s install pkgname |
| 15:55.30 | nova_ | Anthro: what i like about it is the diff |
| 15:55.30 | azeem | Anthro: he means conary |
| 15:55.40 | azeem | (I guess) |
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| 15:55.51 | nova_ | azeem: yup coudn't get on the name :) |
| 15:56.04 | outlaw84 | How do I get an ext3 parition to rebuild? |
| 15:56.07 | Anthro | azeem: Eh? I haven't heard of conary. |
| 15:56.13 | azeem | nova_: it's from the rpm makers rather than the redhat makers, though |
| 15:56.15 | Anthro | outlaw84: Rebuild what? |
| 15:56.18 | outlaw84 | the filetable |
| 15:56.18 | nova_ | Anthro: forsight, rpath |
| 15:56.33 | Anthro | nova_: ...? |
| 15:56.33 | f0rt3hmeh | when i install kernel 2.6.11, from kernel-image-2.6.11-i386.deb downloaded from debian.org i get the falloing errors:"pivot_root: No such file or directory" "/sbin/init:432:cannot open dev/console: No such file" "kernel panic: Attempted to kill init", my old kernel was 2.4.27, can anyone help me fix this problem?? |
| 15:56.43 | xin_ | stew, say i want to see what versions of a package are available for me to install. i'll have a look at what u just said |
| 15:56.43 | nova_ | Anthro: the distros who use them |
| 15:56.45 | The_Ball | can i make dselect only display installed packages? |
| 15:56.51 | Anthro | nova_: Ah. |
| 15:56.53 | stew | xin_: apt-cache policy package |
| 15:56.55 | superkitty | is there a how-to install Debian without getting KDE and Gnome that is fairly easy to understand? |
| 15:57.07 | stew | superkitty: /msg dpkg ig |
| 15:57.33 | nova_ | superkitty: just don't select it on install :) |
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| 15:57.40 | cheal | superkitty: yes, installing debian with defaults |
| 15:57.42 | stew | superkitty: or you can follow these instructions: go to debian.org, click on getting debian, download a netinst cd, boot it and follow the directions |
| 15:57.46 | ma3x | /dev/dsp-1: Device or resource busy |
| 15:57.50 | ma3x | how can I find out what's using it? |
| 15:58.02 | ma3x | lsof | grep /dev/dsp-1 doesn't work |
| 15:58.02 | Anthro | ma3x: lsof or fuser |
| 15:58.04 | hogmeat | where can i find the file that stores "owner" ? |
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| 15:58.08 | f0rt3hmeh | So can anyone help me ?? |
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| 15:58.12 | xin_ | stew, thanks for your help |
| 15:58.22 | superkitty | stew that is how i end up with KDE and Gnome, i dont need both |
| 15:58.37 | ma3x | Anthro, it doesnt show it |
| 15:58.41 | valdyn | superkitty: so remove one or both |
| 15:58.42 | stew | superkitty: /msg dpkg remove gnome ; /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 15:58.58 | stew | superkitty: debian wouldn't have installed those without your asking for them |
| 15:59.04 | V12 | i put some php files on apache and when i access them it prompts me to download the php file..i want to process it |
| 15:59.11 | Anthro | superkitty: Well, you kind of do if you want to use both GNOME apps and KDE apps. Personally, I use some of both even though I use a KDE desktop. |
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| 15:59.16 | ma3x | stew, buddy please tell me how to see what's using /dev/dsp1 ? |
| 15:59.20 | ma3x | stew, lsof won't work |
| 15:59.24 | Anthro | V12: #php |
| 15:59.25 | f0rt3hmeh | V12: did you install the php mod? |
| 15:59.27 | superkitty | stew if you choose a desktop install you get alot of stuff |
| 15:59.29 | f0rt3hmeh | So can anyone help me ?? |
| 15:59.36 | stew | superkitty: true |
| 15:59.39 | V12 | f0rt3hmeh yes i did |
| 15:59.49 | Anthro | f0rt3hmeh: Help you what? |
| 15:59.59 | f0rt3hmeh | V12: did you change the httpd config file? |
| 16:00.01 | f0rt3hmeh | when i install kernel 2.6.11, from kernel-image-2.6.11-i386.deb downloaded from debian.org i get the falloing errors:"pivot_root: No such file or directory" "/sbin/init:432:cannot open dev/console: No such file" "kernel panic: Attempted to kill init", my old kernel was 2.4.27, can anyone help me fix this problem?? |
| 16:00.05 | milktea | fishing :) |
| 16:00.07 | superkitty | if i do a custom install X doesnt want to function |
| 16:00.08 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: did you figure out yet what the new device for your disk is now? |
| 16:00.09 | ma3x | hellooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:00.12 | stew | ma3x: ps aux | less |
| 16:00.18 | V12 | f0rt3hmeh i looked at it, didnt see anything worth changing! |
| 16:00.22 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: no... cuz i cant |
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| 16:00.29 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: why cant you? |
| 16:00.45 | ma3x | stew, and then what? I don't see anything about /dev/dsp there |
| 16:00.48 | f0rt3hmeh | V12: you have to add smth like application php/smth |
| 16:00.56 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: cuz i dont know how... |
| 16:01.05 | V12 | okay thank u f0rt3hmeh ill google that! |
| 16:01.13 | f0rt3hmeh | V12: =P |
| 16:01.19 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: it might even show up just trying to boot your current install |
| 16:01.20 | stew | ma3x: and then you ask yourself, hmm, which of these could it be |
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| 16:01.33 | milktea | google and failure... |
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| 16:01.50 | ma3x | stew, I found it thanks a lot biddy |
| 16:01.53 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: i tryed ... nothing happenes, when i type fdisk -l .. i dont get anything... |
| 16:02.02 | Deep6 | can anyone using openvpn explain the involvement of the p-t-p link addressing? |
| 16:02.08 | Deep6 | apt openvpn |
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| 16:02.31 | Anthro | ma3x: Try ls -l /proc/*/fd/ | grep dsp |
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| 16:03.43 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: can you help me? |
| 16:03.46 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: boot your current fucked install, hit the scroll lock or pause keys when its booting, your disk drives should be listed by the kernel |
| 16:04.11 | jjazz | What's a good commandline mp3 player? I'm trying to figure out if my junky sound is a hardware issue or a higher-level config issue. |
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| 16:04.37 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: it tryes to mount /dev/hde3 .. and thats what its supposed to, since kernel 2.4.27 works fine with that |
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| 16:04.46 | PaC0666 | Hi everyone. |
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| 16:05.04 | stew | jjazz: mpg321 / mpg123 ? |
| 16:05.07 | stew | jjazz: cplay? |
| 16:05.13 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: yes, i know its trying to mount that, but that isnt what you need to look for, you need to look for the output of your disk driver, it will list disks it found |
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| 16:05.16 | jjazz | stew: Ah, yes. That's what I was trying to remember |
| 16:05.25 | EdLin | jjazz: mpg321, ogg123 |
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| 16:05.49 | PaC0666 | Has anyone else experienced the weird problem of their /etc/hosts file no longer seeming to be used when updating packages recently on the testing distro? |
| 16:05.51 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: its suppoed to be smth like PCI: ... smth ... right? |
| 16:05.54 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: shift-pageup can be used to scroll up, not sure if you can still do that when it is hanging |
| 16:06.13 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: when i hangs i cant |
| 16:06.33 | stew | PaC0666: double check that you have "hosts: files dns" in your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 16:06.54 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: you dont have a livecd around? |
| 16:06.58 | PaC0666 | I do. Files is listed first. My /etc/host.conf is in order too. |
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| 16:07.07 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn:i have a knoppix why? |
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| 16:07.15 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: so use that |
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| 16:07.38 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: i can still boot debiaan with the old kernel 2.4.27 |
| 16:07.47 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: that is of no use |
| 16:08.07 | PaC0666 | stew: It's strange as I haven't made any config changes that would warrant this sort of behavior. |
| 16:08.12 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: why would i use knoppix then? |
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| 16:08.17 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: boot that knoppix particularily if it has a 2.6.11+ kernel your device should be the same |
| 16:08.27 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: to see where your disk is.. |
| 16:08.43 | debnewbie | deselect disaster: it is asking me if I want to uninstall 782 packages... Obviously I don't want to uninstall all my system... what shall I do? |
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| 16:08.56 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: its a old version of knoppix smth like 3.3, so i dont know what kernel it has.. ill try that later... thanks alot |
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| 16:09.24 | azeem | debnewbie: do you mean dselect? |
| 16:09.26 | PaC0666 | stew: Another oddity is that if I do 'host localhost' it comes back with the IP, but if I do 'ping localhost' it says unknown host. |
| 16:09.27 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: normally this can be debugged best over a serial console.. |
| 16:09.39 | isensi | anyone has a onliner to instll the nvidia drivers ? |
| 16:09.41 | debnewbie | azeem: yes indeed, sorry... |
| 16:09.43 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: if you have a nullmodem cable.. use that |
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| 16:09.53 | azeem | debnewbie: did you try apt-get instead? |
| 16:09.53 | valdyn | f0rt3hmeh: ( and a 2nd computer naturally ) |
| 16:10.00 | azeem | debnewbie: or aptitude or synaptic? |
| 16:10.01 | debnewbie | I'm a bit nervous... |
| 16:10.02 | antgel | isensi: /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 16:10.17 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: yeah i have a router running fbsd |
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| 16:10.30 | debnewbie | azeem: apt-get from another tty, for instance? |
| 16:10.32 | cheal | !tell isensi about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:10.34 | streuner | isensi: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 16:10.53 | valdyn | !serial console |
| 16:10.54 | azeem | debnewbie: why do you dselect in the first place? |
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| 16:11.18 | stew | PaC0666: host always uses dns and never /etc/hosts afaik, ping will use nss |
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| 16:11.32 | fken | hello |
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| 16:11.55 | f0rt3hmeh | valdyn: the nullmodem cable is supposed to look like a interface cable for CDroms and pata hdds right? |
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| 16:12.12 | fken | ide_scsi is loaded even if its blacklisted and even if there is no ide_scsi module in etc/module... is it normal ? |
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| 16:12.28 | debnewbie | azeem: the thing is that I did it... now I have to solve the problem: at the moment I can't use synaptic 'cos I started to uninstall packages and the first ones were related to X system... |
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| 16:12.35 | noble- | i feel like shit |
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| 16:12.42 | azeem | debnewbie: ugh |
| 16:12.44 | noble- | heh |
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| 16:12.54 | PaC0666 | stew: that makes sense. My nsswitch is configured the same way it was before though and it was a package upgrade that started this nonsense, so I've been racking my brain trying to think of a binary/library somewhere that could have gotten screwed up that I can downgrade to get things working again. |
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| 16:13.08 | azeem | debnewbie: so you actually told it to uninstall that lot? Did you abort or something? |
| 16:13.11 | stew | PaC0666: you could try stracing it |
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| 16:13.14 | debnewbie | azeem: yes... I am in the middle of the chaos... any idea to start from? |
| 16:13.18 | PaC0666 | stew: as it stands any reference I have to localhost for any service or anything else just isn't working. |
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| 16:13.27 | debnewbie | azeem: yes! |
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| 16:13.30 | azeem | debnewbie: well, abort, run apt-get -f install |
| 16:13.34 | PaC0666 | stew: I'll give that a whirl. |
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| 16:13.38 | azeem | then, reinstall X and the rest |
| 16:13.39 | azeem | dunno |
| 16:13.58 | Eggplant`4 | Anyone ever installed Debian on a Del PowerEdge 2400?? |
| 16:13.58 | fken | stew: ide_scsi is blacklisted but it still run and cdrom refuse to work |
| 16:14.01 | stew | PaC0666: report back with your findings |
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| 16:14.03 | debnewbie | azeem: let's see... thanks, at the moment. |
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| 16:14.16 | PaC0666 | stew: Aye' Cap'n |
| 16:14.19 | stew | :) |
| 16:14.22 | azeem | debnewbie: maybe you can see which packages got deinstalled by looking at /var/log/dpkg.log, if available |
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| 16:14.49 | debnewbie | azeem: aha... ok I'll have a look at that file.... |
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| 16:15.29 | fken | can someone help me to solve that problem? |
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| 16:16.32 | cahoot | fken: discover loading it? |
| 16:16.50 | debnewbie | azeem: /var/log/dpkg.log is not present at my system... |
| 16:17.06 | stew | debnewbie: that was just added with dpkg 1.13 which is not in stable and just hit etch recently |
| 16:17.12 | fken | cahoot : i ask discover and hotplug to blacklist it |
| 16:17.13 | xinming_Beijing | hmm, May I give a suggestion to debian update please? |
| 16:17.23 | stew | fken: is it in /etc/modules.conf? |
| 16:17.23 | fken | cahoot :*asked |
| 16:17.50 | debnewbie | stew: ok, I'm using sarge.... |
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| 16:18.54 | cahoot | fken: no leftover instruction to load ide_scsi in menu.lst/lilo.conf? |
| 16:18.58 | xinming_Beijing | hmm, I wonder, why not make debian a daily update, weekly update, monthly update, and yearly update. I know sid testing and stable stands for daily, "less-daily", and a release... |
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| 16:19.05 | fken | stew: it doenst seem to be in module.conf : there are only aliases |
| 16:19.23 | fken | cahoot: i dunno i take a look |
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| 16:19.49 | xinming_Beijing | well, maybe my opinion isn't good enough for maintain... :-) |
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| 16:20.23 | cahoot | fken: /tc/modules (if a 2.6 kernel) |
| 16:20.34 | cahoot | fken: /etc/modules |
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| 16:21.13 | fken | cahoot : last night there werent any ide_scsi in my etc/modules |
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| 16:21.50 | PaC0666 | stew: here's the score on my strace. It tries to access but can't find two files; /etc/ld.so.nohwcap and /etc/ld.so.preload. It tries the nowhcap once again later. It then loads the resolver libraries and tries to hit my DNS server, which doesn't have an entry for localhost and then it moves on. |
| 16:22.08 | fken | cahoot : kernel/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro console=tty0 | but anyway there is nothing about cdrom there |
| 16:22.17 | PaC0666 | stew: as a stop-gap I can make an entry in my DNS server for localhost, but that is just so janky it makes me want to cry. |
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| 16:22.55 | fken | cahoot: whats a leftover? |
| 16:23.08 | rjalex | please, why eject and unmount my CDROM does not work from Konqueror or the KDE DEvice applet ? my user is bob and here is my mtab after automatic mounting: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=bob 0 0 |
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| 16:24.39 | rjalex | what is the equivalent of Grip for KDE ? |
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| 16:24.50 | fken | cahoot |stew : I forgot to tell that there is no /dev/hdc nor /dev/scs0 but kdisk answer i have two cdrom drives : hdc and scs0 |
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| 16:25.12 | silverton | fken, I had the same issue yesterday restart udev |
| 16:25.31 | fken | silverton: how to restart udev nicely ? |
| 16:25.44 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:25.51 | fken | silverton: ok thanks |
| 16:25.56 | nxv_ | hi |
| 16:26.21 | fken | whats annoying is that sometime the cdrom works and sometimes not |
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| 16:26.49 | silverton | Yeah, mine worked, and then stopped, and hdc wasn't in /dev but it was listed in /proc/ide |
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| 16:26.53 | nxv_ | i am looking for an howto setup smpt server on a vserver, preferrable use exim and allow tls(ssl) and smtp auth only |
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| 16:27.32 | mjk64 | silverton: And how to check if a service is running? On SuSE, I had something like "/etc/init.d/udev status" |
| 16:27.45 | fken | silverton: dont work |
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| 16:28.01 | silverton | mjk64, that's for anything in /etc/init.d/ though |
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| 16:28.11 | silverton | fken, hmm.. is hdc listed in /proc/ide? |
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| 16:28.52 | mjk64 | silverton: Sorry, I don't understand ... Is there an official Debian way of checking whether a service is running? |
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| 16:29.05 | KonvIRC | Hey, I am a newby and use woody. I took a guess and typed in "apt-get install apache" and apache installed. How do I get to install php ? |
| 16:29.13 | stew | mjk64: other than using ps, no |
| 16:29.19 | mjk64 | stew: okay, thx |
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| 16:29.34 | stew | KonvIRC: apt-get install php4 ; you should think about moving to sarge (the current stable) /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:29.35 | fken | silverton : amd74xx drivers hda hdc ide0 ide1 |
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| 16:29.54 | noble- | netstat -tap | grep LISTEN |
| 16:30.00 | silverton | fken, do you see anything about it in dmesg? |
| 16:30.01 | noble- | w |
| 16:30.02 | noble- | wo |
| 16:30.06 | noble- | oops |
| 16:30.10 | thegeekdom | Old box. 200 mhz 64 megs of ram and a 3 gig hard drive |
| 16:30.13 | fken | silverton: yes wait |
| 16:30.31 | thegeekdom | How do I list the packages so I can select them ? |
| 16:30.35 | green_earz | rjalex: i use a icon on the desktop to mount cdrom, right click > configure desktop > behavior > device icons and add a cdrom icon to the desktop |
| 16:30.41 | fken | Warning: /proc/ide/hd?/settings interface is obsolete, and will be removed soon! |
| 16:30.48 | fken | isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sr0, iso_blknum=16, block=16 |
| 16:30.54 | stew | thegeekdom: run aptitude |
| 16:31.04 | silverton | =/ wtf? |
| 16:31.04 | PaC0666 | stew: I think the compulsory libc6 upgrade messed up (at least for my configuration) the /lib/libnss_files.so.2 |
| 16:31.15 | fken | silverton: wait ill paste it |
| 16:31.22 | silverton | not in here! |
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| 16:31.54 | fken | silverton: i would not say wait if i would paste it here lol |
| 16:32.01 | mjk64 | =) |
| 16:32.11 | silverton | rightyo then |
| 16:32.18 | thegeekdom | aptitude, got it |
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| 16:32.58 | pabl0 | hi, I'm trying to login via ssh to my server as a normal user and I'mg etting: |
| 16:32.59 | pabl0 | "System bootup in progress" |
| 16:33.03 | pabl0 | however I can login as root |
| 16:33.06 | pabl0 | any hints? |
| 16:33.09 | fken | http://pastebin.com/371096 : the complete issue |
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| 16:33.18 | mjk64 | pabl0: Hmm ... you have a /etc/nologin |
| 16:33.19 | pabl0 | I already rebooted the server and stills the problem |
| 16:33.30 | pabl0 | remove it? |
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| 16:33.43 | kindor | hi, how can i change the action of F1 within gnome-terminal to ^[[[A instead of ^[[OP ? |
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| 16:33.54 | pabl0 | yeah |
| 16:33.54 | mjk64 | pabl0: this should work, but there must be reason for it being there ... |
| 16:33.55 | pabl0 | thanks!! |
| 16:33.56 | jita | Which version of debian should i get. i need the latest packages |
| 16:34.00 | mjk64 | pabl0: =) |
| 16:34.01 | pabl0 | mm |
| 16:34.19 | resiak | jita: Why do you _need_ them? |
| 16:34.23 | EdgEy | what's a good MSN client to use in debian? |
| 16:34.27 | Hannibal | hrm. I just used the nvidia one-liner, it all seems to have worked - what is next to get my video card to work with the nvidia drivers? |
| 16:34.29 | resiak | EdgEy: Gaim, amsn, kopete |
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| 16:34.38 | resiak | !drxx Hannibal |
| 16:34.39 | dpkg | Hannibal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:34.40 | mjk64 | pabl0: wait ... |
| 16:34.43 | pabl0 | ok |
| 16:34.44 | EdgEy | what would you recommend? or is that in order of preference :) |
| 16:34.44 | pabl0 | :) |
| 16:34.53 | mjk64 | pabl0: What does /etc/securetty say? |
| 16:34.56 | resiak | EdgEy: I would recommend Gaim. |
| 16:34.57 | fken | EdgEy: i like gaim but maybe amsn has less bugs |
| 16:35.05 | valdyn | EdgEy: makes sense to make it depend on your desktop environment.. |
| 16:35.07 | jita | resiak: i am a home user and i never tried debian and different versions confuse me, i need a stable yet latest release |
| 16:35.08 | fken | than before !!! |
| 16:35.12 | resiak | jita: You need Sarge. |
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| 16:35.17 | resiak | jita: Trust me on this one. |
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| 16:35.29 | resiak | fken: Do you want to qualify that statement? |
| 16:35.32 | mjk64 | pabl0: I'm stupid ... /etc/securetty is for root access, and that works, as you said ... hmmm |
| 16:35.36 | jita | thanx resiak for the suggestion |
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| 16:35.40 | EdgEy | valdyn: ;) |
| 16:35.47 | stew | jita: if you have to ask you want stable, or you want to try ubuntu |
| 16:36.00 | valdyn | EdgEy: and your de is ? |
| 16:36.06 | EdgEy | gnome |
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| 16:36.09 | resiak | EdgEy: Gaim, |
| 16:36.14 | EdgEy | :) |
| 16:36.16 | valdyn | EdgEy: dont use kopete then |
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| 16:36.35 | EdgEy | almost anything that begins with K, sucks |
| 16:36.38 | trebu234 | hola |
| 16:36.44 | fken | resiak: i meant amsn had a lot of bugs the last time i tried it : but gaim is nice even if its not as big as amsn |
| 16:36.46 | jita | stew: I want to go with most popular linux distro :) |
| 16:36.47 | EdgEy | :P |
| 16:36.48 | pabl0 | mjk64, yesterday a blackout rebooted my server |
| 16:36.57 | pabl0 | and since that I was unable to login as a normal user |
| 16:37.00 | EdgEy | jita, there is no "stable yet latest" |
| 16:37.19 | stew | jita: thats probably fedora, but there is no way to really tell |
| 16:37.20 | mjk64 | pabl0: Hm ... the /etc/nologin should get deleted by /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin |
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| 16:37.39 | valdyn | jita: testing something takes time, i recommend you start w/ sarge. |
| 16:37.41 | resiak | fken: Oh, I didn't see "than before". amsn is buggy and unstable as all hell. And how is Gaim smaller than amsn? |
| 16:37.51 | jita | EdgEy: sarge is'nt stable? |
| 16:37.55 | EdgEy | sarge is stable |
| 16:38.02 | EdgEy | but it's not "latest" |
| 16:38.05 | EdgEy | :P |
| 16:38.10 | fken | stew : did you see my paste ? |
| 16:38.35 | mjk64 | pabl0: I guess it was just a transient error. :-} But it's still a little strange why S99rmnologin in runlevel 2 doesn't delete it. Maybe it isn't run at all? |
| 16:38.35 | fken | resiak: you cannot display your photo for example |
| 16:38.41 | By-Tor | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.42 | jita | and if i say i can comproimse stablilty for latest packages? |
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| 16:38.48 | resiak | fken: On Gaim? Yes, yes you can. |
| 16:38.56 | EdgEy | jita, possibly yes, testing is a "middle ground" |
| 16:39.09 | slept | does anyone use gmailfs on sarge ? Does it work? |
| 16:39.10 | mjk64 | pabl0: Is /etc/init.d/rmnologin still there? |
| 16:39.12 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 16:39.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:39.14 | fken | resiak : how ??? |
| 16:39.21 | jita | EdgEy: whats the version name of 'testing' debian? |
| 16:39.23 | EdgEy | i think most people here would recommend new users use sarge/stable though |
| 16:39.23 | EdgEy | etch |
| 16:39.30 | pabl0 | mm maybe |
| 16:39.30 | mjk64 | !lick my boots |
| 16:39.31 | resiak | fken: Accounts -> modify the account you want -> pick an icon. |
| 16:39.36 | pabl0 | mjk64, let me see |
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| 16:39.58 | pabl0 | yes it exists |
| 16:40.09 | slept | Is gmailfs broken on sarge ? |
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| 16:40.34 | mjk64 | pabl0: Strange, then it should get executed upon boot ... okay, I'm at my wit's end :-} |
| 16:40.53 | pabl0 | hehe ok, thanks anyway |
| 16:41.12 | Hannibal | resiak: okay, but what do I do if the 'nvidia' driver module is not listed there? |
| 16:41.16 | mjk64 | pabl0: =) |
| 16:41.27 | resiak | Hannibal: *shrug* |
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| 16:41.57 | fken | resiak: ok thank you |
| 16:42.17 | fken | resiak: ill put a nice photo of rastatux |
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| 16:43.32 | resiak | fken: Heh |
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| 16:46.50 | gniretar | hey someone is trying to break into my system with a dictionary attack on ssh. Is there ia way i can set ssh up to that any IP that tries a cartain ammount of bad username/pass conbinations gets blocked for like a week? |
| 16:47.25 | asg | gniretar: you can write a script/perl daemon/etc to do that (there are probably some on freshmeat.net also) |
| 16:47.37 | Update | how do i make the shell keys work like in kde ? |
| 16:47.59 | valdyn | Update: what are they like in kde? |
| 16:48.11 | Update | how do i make the shell keys work the same way they do in kde ? |
| 16:48.16 | valdyn | Update: and... what is a "shell key" |
| 16:48.29 | Update | the console |
| 16:48.34 | hackeron | what is Athlon64 classified as, IA-64? |
| 16:48.36 | mjk64 | Update: How do they work in KDE? |
| 16:48.40 | Update | the dark prompt |
| 16:48.41 | valdyn | hackeron: amd64 |
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| 16:48.49 | Update | they work fine |
| 16:48.58 | valdyn | hackeron: /msg dpkg amd64, msg dpkg ia64 |
| 16:49.05 | hackeron | valdyn: hmm, I take it sarge doesnt support amd64? |
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| 16:49.30 | valdyn | hackeron: yea that is technically correct, but the inoffical sarge release is just as fine |
| 16:49.30 | Update | oinde shell they dont |
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| 16:49.48 | Update | on the shell the key are setup wrong |
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| 16:49.55 | mjk64 | Update: Example? |
| 16:50.04 | hackeron | valdyn: I guess I can use etch, thats ok. |
| 16:50.11 | Update | they are mixed up |
| 16:50.22 | valdyn | !confuse update |
| 16:50.23 | dpkg | No, who are our mushroom yesterday, update? pants of the republic of mongolia with extra ham |
| 16:50.32 | Update | the * isnt on the key with the * |
| 16:50.33 | mjk64 | Update: pressing "a" leads to character "b" displayed? Or what? |
| 16:50.34 | valdyn | !tell update -about ask |
| 16:50.47 | mjk64 | Update: Where is the "*" then? |
| 16:50.54 | Update | valdyn go get your self spanked |
| 16:51.27 | Update | is on anothe on related key |
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| 16:51.38 | Update | is on another unrelated key |
| 16:51.43 | caphuso | Update: you're native language is portuguese, right? you might want to use #debian-br |
| 16:51.44 | thegeekdom | Hey, not spanking without me !!! |
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| 16:51.56 | valdyn | Update: im just trying ti increase your chances of getting help ) |
| 16:52.06 | Update | setxkbmap -model acpi -layout pt -variant basic |
| 16:52.08 | resiak | caphuso: What's you're native language? ;) |
| 16:52.14 | Update | this is how it is in kde |
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| 16:52.21 | thegeekdom | C++ ? |
| 16:52.24 | caphuso | resiak: swabian |
| 16:52.29 | Update | should i type this on the console ? |
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| 16:52.36 | caphuso | Update: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 16:52.56 | Michiel_ | hi guys, I'm trying to get a HP DeskJet 540 to work under Debian; I installed cups and the gimp-driverset, but now it only prints under the Gimp... |
| 16:53.02 | Michiel_ | testpages are not shown :( |
| 16:53.11 | mjk64 | Update: For the console, you need "loadkeys" |
| 16:53.13 | Michiel_ | I have the lastest Gnome on this machine |
| 16:53.13 | valdyn | Michiel_: look at /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 16:53.24 | Update | "loadkeys" ? |
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| 16:53.29 | Update | what keys ? |
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| 16:53.45 | Update | loadkeys + what ? |
| 16:53.45 | mjk64 | Update: Better run dpkg-reconfigure console-data (got that from dpkg's answer) |
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| 16:53.52 | Michiel_ | valdyn: okay, it says: Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 6! |
| 16:54.01 | velho-rj | #join debian-br |
| 16:54.07 | azeem | velho-rj: /join |
| 16:54.07 | valdyn | Michiel_: no "HINT" in that file? |
| 16:54.33 | Michiel_ | valdyn: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? |
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| 16:54.38 | Michiel_ | valdyn: ;-) |
| 16:54.39 | Update | nao ta la ninguem |
| 16:54.48 | valdyn | Michiel_: amazing, apt-get install gs-esp |
| 16:54.57 | srhii | hi all, it seems to be a problem for kernel 2.6.9 in debian, but kswapd0 is eating all my cpu |
| 16:55.11 | srhii | I'll upgrade, but what can I do as a temporary solution ? |
| 16:55.45 | srhii | I tryied to kill kswapd0 ... but it does not seem to work ... |
| 16:55.47 | srhii | any advice ? |
| 16:55.52 | BatUz | Update: loadkeys <keymap> (for example i do "loadkeys es" ) |
| 16:56.02 | valdyn | srhii: that's a kernel thread , you cant kill it |
| 16:56.11 | srhii | this is on a "live" so I'd like a soft solution until I upgrade ... like tomorow |
| 16:56.12 | valdyn | srhii: run less memory intense software |
| 16:56.37 | valdyn | srhii: or plug in more memory |
| 16:56.47 | srhii | valdyn: I think this is a bug in the kernel ... I saw some things about it on the web |
| 16:56.55 | srhii | valdyn: do you see any temporary solution |
| 16:56.56 | srhii | ? |
| 16:57.02 | mjk64 | Update: msinhore meant "kbdconfig", rather :-) |
| 16:57.13 | valdyn | srhii: yea, what i said, might even enable you to disable swap completely |
| 16:57.24 | mjk64 | Update: But that's only for compatibility. It calls dpkg-reconfigure console-common. |
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| 16:57.55 | Michiel_ | Hum... I installed the Ghostscript, but it's still giving the same error :( |
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| 16:58.06 | srhii | valdyn: if I disable the swap the process might go away ... do you know if I can do that "live" ? |
| 16:58.34 | srhii | valdyn: I really think this is a bug, not the fault of ram intensive applications |
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| 16:59.12 | Michiel_ | valdyn: it still gives the same error... any idea what to do? |
| 16:59.18 | node23 | Hi, can I install Xorg from apt-get or do I have to download it then install it? |
| 16:59.25 | valdyn | srhii: make sure you have enough ram for the processes running, then try 'swapoff -a' |
| 16:59.26 | azeem | node23: apt-ge |
| 16:59.27 | node23 | I've searched but I couldn't see it |
| 16:59.27 | azeem | t |
| 16:59.36 | azeem | node23: it's only in testing and unstable, not in sarge |
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| 16:59.45 | valdyn | Michiel_: restart cups |
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| 16:59.58 | valdyn | Michiel_: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
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| 17:00.01 | node23 | apt-get install xorg doesn't fine it |
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| 17:00.13 | azeem | node23: it's not called xorg |
| 17:00.19 | node23 | what? |
| 17:00.23 | azeem | xserver-xorg |
| 17:00.28 | node23 | okay |
| 17:00.39 | node23 | will it screw my system up> |
| 17:00.46 | srhii | valdyn: the dawn process is still there ... eating all my cpu after the swapoff ... |
| 17:00.46 | node23 | or should I stick with xfree |
| 17:00.57 | srhii | oups, damn process ;-) |
| 17:01.14 | EdgEy | node23, yes, your system will combust after install |
| 17:01.22 | node23 | shit |
| 17:01.24 | valdyn | srhii: no idea then how you could get around rebooting. |
| 17:01.25 | EdgEy | lol |
| 17:01.29 | Anthro | node23: In general, I go with the policy that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
| 17:01.36 | Seb | anyone getting thos on marillat's recently ? Can't open /debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file or directory |
| 17:01.37 | node23 | better stick to xfree then |
| 17:01.40 | Anthro | !lol |
| 17:01.40 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:01.51 | srhii | valdyn: ok, thx anyway |
| 17:01.54 | valdyn | Seb: in your sources.list, replace 'unstable' with 'sid' |
| 17:01.56 | eeyore- | node23: xfree is obsolete |
| 17:01.59 | Pfated | Muahaha. |
| 17:02.03 | EdgEy | !start an aol war |
| 17:02.03 | Seb | valdyn: huh ? |
| 17:02.08 | Seb | valdyn: i mean, will do, but how come ? |
| 17:02.12 | EdgEy | damn what was that trigger. ;) |
| 17:02.18 | Anthro | eeyore-: So is xterm, but it still suits my purposes. |
| 17:02.19 | eeyore- | Anthro: so how come we're not all operating horse-driven carriages today? |
| 17:02.22 | srhii | no other idea on how to get rid of the kswapd0 process once has gone mad (eating all cup) ? |
| 17:02.22 | node23 | I know, thats why I was thinking of xorg |
| 17:02.31 | eeyore- | Anthro: your nick is extremely apt, then |
| 17:02.39 | EdgEy | node23 it shouldn't screw your system |
| 17:02.48 | EdgEy | if it does it's not hard to get back to xfree |
| 17:02.50 | node23 | cool |
| 17:02.57 | valdyn | Seb: well, i could say 'b/c c marillat' is a moron, but uh.. it just is like that.. |
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| 17:03.10 | Michiel_ | valdyn: thanks! |
| 17:03.15 | eeyore- | srhii: no, k<*> processes cannot be killed |
| 17:03.15 | EdgEy | anthro why run winxp? 2000 worked |
| 17:03.25 | valdyn | Seb: guess he forgot to creat the symlinks or something like that |
| 17:03.29 | node23 | Can I plug in a PS/2 keyboard or will my system freeze? |
| 17:03.33 | node23 | I am in the shell |
| 17:03.36 | eeyore- | srhii: they're kernel processes. if you see kswapd eating up all CPU time, it means it's scanning for things to kill |
| 17:03.36 | Anthro | eeyore-: If you need something better, it's worthwhile. I don't have a fancy video card that needs xorg, so xfree86 is sufficient. That's not true for everyone. |
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| 17:04.00 | eeyore- | srhii: and it's time to get a better kernel with better OOM algorithm. try newest kernel, or ck- branch |
| 17:04.08 | Anthro | EdgEy: Why run Windows at all? Sure, I'm stuck on XP at work, but that's a decision I didn't influence. |
| 17:04.13 | srhii | eeyore-: right, looks like a bug |
| 17:04.19 | EdgEy | hehe :) |
| 17:04.19 | eeyore- | srhii: not a bug |
| 17:04.28 | EdgEy | work has pretty nice systems |
| 17:04.37 | eeyore- | srhii: it's suboptimal, but, it's a well known issue |
| 17:04.44 | Goofy584 | hello |
| 17:04.45 | webfreak | valdyn: i emailed him about that a week ago, his response was "nope, the repository isn't broken, and i don't have rights to create symlinks on that server" |
| 17:04.46 | node23 | soon no one will be running windows |
| 17:04.56 | EdgEy | nah |
| 17:04.58 | Anthro | EdgEy: I am eagerly awaiting 2.6.13 because it has a feature I do need. I'm not against progress, just against upgrading just for the sake of upgrading. |
| 17:04.59 | mjk64 | node23: DON'T plug in a PS/2 keyboard while the computer is running! You *can* grill your system! I did! |
| 17:05.01 | Goofy584 | can someone help me with a little bash script? |
| 17:05.01 | valdyn | webfreak: ah i see |
| 17:05.11 | Anthro | Goofy584: #bash |
| 17:05.11 | EdgEy | Anthro, waiting for it to appear on apt? |
| 17:05.14 | srhii | eeyore-: it really looks like it has gone mad ... cause I dont have so much ram eating process |
| 17:05.19 | Anthro | EdgEy: Yes. I know why it's delayed. |
| 17:05.22 | node23 | lol |
| 17:05.26 | node23 | that happened before |
| 17:05.30 | node23 | haha |
| 17:05.32 | ke6isf | mjk64: How the hell do you fry your system by plugging in a PS2 keyboard? =O.o= |
| 17:05.33 | srhii | eeyore-: the top command says no swap used, even some free RAM |
| 17:05.34 | mjk64 | node23: *growl* |
| 17:05.36 | node23 | to my old mobo |
| 17:05.43 | eeyore- | srhii: your best bet is to reboot and upgrade to different kernel ASAP. like i said, "ck" |
| 17:05.54 | node23 | I wasn't sure if it was cause I plugged it in |
| 17:06.30 | mjk64 | ke6isf: That's due to 1) the voltage potential difference (there always is one!) and 2) the capacity of the keyboard cable and its "load" capacitors (dunno the right term now) |
| 17:06.33 | srhii | eeyore-: I'll do that for sure, but I was looking for a quick solution to be able to do the upgrade tomorow morning instead of right now |
| 17:06.47 | eeyore- | ke6isf: there's 5v on one of the lines in ps2 interface |
| 17:06.55 | Goofy584 | how can i get something like 2.3 from ((rs=$a/$b)) |
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| 17:07.00 | thegeekdom | Hey, other than installing apache ( which works ) and installing php4 in debian woody, what else is required ot make php 4 work ? Mine does not spit out the results of the php statement. I just built it today. |
| 17:07.07 | Goofy584 | i only get "full" numbers |
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| 17:07.30 | ke6isf | mjk64, eeyore-: Ah, OK. Didn't know that - but then I routinely hot plug my keyboard. |
| 17:07.31 | Anthro | Goofy584: rs = `echo $a / $b | bc -l` |
| 17:07.31 | By-Tor | thegeekdom: You need to add the handlers in apache. |
| 17:07.38 | mjk64 | ke6isf: One or both of these effects will fry either the PS/2 driver chip or, if you're lucky, just "soft-blow" a self-repairing fuse on the board. In the latter case, you can power off the computer, then power it on again, and everything is well again. |
| 17:07.40 | thegeekdom | tell me more |
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| 17:07.58 | Skaja | what is the best place to get linux distros via bit torrent |
| 17:08.19 | mjk64 | ke6isf: It depends on the board ... it can be designed for taking a hot-plug without a hitch, but it also might just as well not. |
| 17:08.20 | Gnea | !best |
| 17:08.20 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:08.23 | node23 | Skaja: just download them from the sites |
| 17:08.29 | Anthro | thegeekdom: You probably need to restart apache, and you may have to muck with the php.ini. Ask in #php. |
| 17:08.29 | Ronin | Skaja: why not , never mind |
| 17:08.35 | TwistedEmotions | On bootup my computer warns me that 'Local file system mounting... FAILED!' Anyone know what it is trying to load and why it's failing? |
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| 17:08.39 | ke6isf | !giyf Skaja |
| 17:08.44 | ke6isf | feh |
| 17:08.45 | ke6isf | !giyf |
| 17:08.46 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 17:08.48 | bnoji | Any suggestions for a 20-40GB daily backup? |
| 17:08.51 | TwistedEmotions | Skaja: most linux distros are free... why torrent them? |
| 17:08.57 | K9-Cop | When I installed debian it auto-configured my internet connection. Now, rather than connecting directly to my router, its connected to a winXP machine via internet connection sharing. Is there a way to re-run the auto-configuration program? |
| 17:08.58 | bnoji | I was looking at external tape. |
| 17:09.16 | Skaja | i get waster downloads on torrent |
| 17:09.16 | mjk64 | bnoji: paper tape? ;-) |
| 17:09.16 | bnoji | Something that will hopefully work with Sarge out of the box. |
| 17:09.19 | valdyn | bnoji: backup to a harddisk? |
| 17:09.20 | Skaja | faster |
| 17:09.20 | Goofy584 | thanx anthro, i will try it |
| 17:09.27 | TwistedEmotions | bnoji: fuck external tape... external HD's are cheap... just get a firewire like 80 gig drive for like 100$ |
| 17:09.34 | tmg1|c0d | note to others: check to make sure your drinking cup isn't full of termites before drinking out of it |
| 17:09.47 | By-Tor | thegeekdom: I msged you |
| 17:09.48 | valdyn | bnoji: what is 20-40G, the whole data or the diff? |
| 17:09.50 | bnoji | TwistedEmotions: I need daily backups and a weekly offsite |
| 17:09.51 | ke6isf | tmg1|c0d: bleah. |
| 17:10.07 | bnoji | valdyn: 20-40GB total to be backed up |
| 17:10.21 | TwistedEmotions | bnoji: you mean you want to KEEP the daily backups? I thought you were going to replace them |
| 17:10.22 | ke6isf | bnoji: They make 20/40 tape drives. |
| 17:10.34 | node23 | hmm, my client doesn't want to access the net, I just installed debian on it |
| 17:10.37 | valdyn | bnoji: dirvish and a large external harddisk.. |
| 17:10.39 | bnoji | ke6isf: I know. I'm looking for recommendations. |
| 17:10.44 | eeyore- | srhii: reboot and it should be ok for a while :) |
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| 17:10.49 | bnoji | I've used one of the TapeStor 20GB travan ones |
| 17:10.52 | bnoji | not in linux though |
| 17:10.57 | node23 | I know the server config is correct, I was just using another installation through it. |
| 17:10.58 | ke6isf | !tell bnoji -about enter |
| 17:11.11 | srhii | eeyore-: right, I'll do that ... it's on a distant machine, I hope everything will ok ;-) |
| 17:11.18 | node23 | I add'd the gateway and set the dns.. |
| 17:11.18 | TwistedEmotions | bnoji: if you have going to KEEP each backup... you have no choice but a tape drive... |
| 17:11.20 | By-Tor | node23: Open a terminal and type in "/sbin/ifconfig" |
| 17:11.27 | node23 | I have |
| 17:11.32 | node23 | the ip is correct |
| 17:11.33 | bnoji | valdyn: I need to keep the daily backups, and I will have another 20-40GB machine to backup in a few weeks. |
| 17:11.35 | By-Tor | node23: Is the ip addy set correct? |
| 17:11.35 | srhii | eeyore-: I dont really like rebooting distant machines ... |
| 17:11.43 | By-Tor | node23: Did you check: route -n |
| 17:11.56 | node23 | server: 192.168.0.1 client: 192.168.0.2 |
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| 17:12.03 | node23 | nope |
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| 17:12.16 | TwistedEmotions | bnoji: UNLESS you can compress it down to like 9.8gigs and use double density DVD's or whatever... you would save a SHITLOAD of money... |
| 17:12.20 | bnoji | I wanted to avoid HDD backups because I dont want to buy 6 drives for every machine. |
| 17:12.44 | fken | see ya |
| 17:12.44 | eeyore- | mjk64: for the most part if you're careful and plug it right the first time, grounding the sleeve first, you're OK (on the boards i've done it on). on the other hand, if you just twirl the jack around because you can't find match the key with groove, then ... yeah, it gets more interesting |
| 17:12.47 | By-Tor | node23: your default route should be set to whatever you need to set your gateway to. Aside from that, check /etc/resolv.conf and make sure you can ping the nameservers. |
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| 17:12.56 | TwistedEmotions | bnoji: or split the backup into two 9.8 gig DVD's.. but that would be a pain in the ass. |
| 17:12.57 | bnoji | TwistedEmotions: I dont want to limit myself to 10GB with DVD. |
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| 17:13.08 | valdyn | bnoji: why 6 drives? |
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| 17:13.11 | outlaw84 | I have an ext3 partition and I ran e2defrag on it and afterwards I wanted to scan it with fsck.ext3 to make sure everything was good.. It seams to be stuck with the error "Invalid block nr .X (Z) in inod 7. EMPTYED" X is counter, increasing by one and Z is a more "random" number... I can mount the filesystem any more as ext3 but I tryed to mount it as ext2 and I works I am copying data of It now..... What should I do? |
| 17:13.11 | bnoji | I expect this will hit 40GB soon. |
| 17:13.13 | By-Tor | Or should I say route -r |
| 17:13.14 | ke6isf | bnoji: Riddle me something, is it your dataset that is 20-40 gb, or is it the system contents overall that's 20-40 gb? |
| 17:13.17 | By-Tor | er |
| 17:13.19 | By-Tor | netstat -r |
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| 17:13.26 | valdyn | bnoji: you have to put each daily backup on a different media? |
| 17:13.49 | bnoji | valdyn: It makes more sense for storage and recovery. |
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| 17:14.23 | TwistedEmotions | bnoji: Why dont you just use a whole machine for backup... get like 4 250gig HD's and backup like no other.... it will be cheaper and easier |
| 17:14.28 | ke6isf | valdyn: Rotating backups. The drives serve as sort of logical tapes, and are wiped once every n days. Though it's pretty inefficient. |
| 17:14.28 | Gnea | outlaw84: why defrag it? |
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| 17:14.56 | node23 | thats heaps weird it's not working |
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| 17:14.59 | bnoji | TwistedEmotions: We were looking at $400 tape drives.. |
| 17:15.05 | outlaw84 | Gnea: It was framented 33% |
| 17:15.06 | ke6isf | outlaw84: Why would you want to defrag a drive? |
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| 17:15.17 | bnoji | Including media, its much cheaper than a dedicated machine |
| 17:15.20 | node23 | I know the ipmasq settings are correct on here |
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| 17:15.26 | ke6isf | outlaw84: There should be no need to defrag one of the Linux vols. |
| 17:15.31 | node23 | because I was on the net on the other pc before I reinstalled |
| 17:15.34 | valdyn | !defrag |
| 17:15.35 | dpkg | it has been said that defrag is the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big |
| 17:15.38 | By-Tor | TwistedEmotions: I'm with oyu on that. If you need to rotate backups get a removeable drive bay. Shut the machine down, and rotate the drives. |
| 17:15.44 | Gnea | outlaw84: heh, but it's not a fat-based fs |
| 17:15.46 | valdyn | node23: dont defrag modern filesystems... |
| 17:15.50 | outlaw84 | But its not relevant why I defragmented but what I should do now |
| 17:15.53 | eeyore- | outlaw84: ext3 has some journaling data on it. do you know for a fact that e2defrag can handle ext3? |
| 17:16.03 | valdyn | outlaw84: restore from backup |
| 17:16.08 | outlaw84 | valdyn: how? |
| 17:16.08 | Gnea | outlaw84: it's 100% relevant. |
| 17:16.12 | node23 | wtf? I don't defrag anthing |
| 17:16.17 | eeyore- | outlaw84: backup, reformat, restore |
| 17:16.22 | bnoji | It seems the consensus is to use large hard drives to backup other loarge hard drives... |
| 17:16.29 | eeyore- | outlaw84: that's *if* you feel you need to start fresh |
| 17:16.30 | Goofy584 | hi anthrox, it works fine! how can i reduce to only 1 number after the dot? (like 2.8) |
| 17:16.31 | Gnea | node23: obvious wintendo luser mentality |
| 17:16.33 | TwistedEmotions | bnoji: a 300gig HD is like 120$... and you can build a POS system for like 40$ |
| 17:16.43 | caphuso | e2defrag can hardly handle ext2 |
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| 17:16.47 | bnoji | TwistedEmotions: But I need to be able to take it offsite.. |
| 17:16.50 | eeyore- | bnoji: i use a large hard drive and amanda to treat it as a "tape" |
| 17:16.50 | node23 | what are you talking about dude? |
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| 17:16.56 | node23 | I thought you got me mixed up. |
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| 17:17.00 | outlaw84 | Well it seams som be working to have it mounted as ext2 |
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| 17:17.10 | Gnea | outlaw84: you have been misled. defrag is only for filesystems that are designed poorly. |
| 17:17.11 | eeyore- | bnoji: this way i can use a 300GB hard drive to back up several clients in rotating fashion, with "tape life" cycle of about a week |
| 17:17.12 | TwistedEmotions | bnoji: put HD's and take with you... TwistedEmotions: I'm with oyu on that. If you need to rotate backups get a removeable drive bay. Shut the machine down, and rotate the drives. |
| 17:17.12 | outlaw84 | Oh another thing... |
| 17:17.17 | By-Tor | At work I use a rack-mounted machine with a few 200 gig hdds in it. |
| 17:17.19 | node23 | It's got me puzzled how I can ping my server but not the net |
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| 17:17.25 | By-Tor | One is removeable. |
| 17:17.25 | Anthro | Goofy584: man bc |
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| 17:17.33 | Goofy584 | ok thanx |
| 17:17.35 | TwistedEmotions | That was By-Tor's comment by the way ^^^^ |
| 17:17.36 | ke6isf | !tell node23 -about enter |
| 17:17.41 | eeyore- | TwistedEmotions: you can "soft rotate" with amanda |
| 17:17.44 | kazzil | how do i enter a unicode character? |
| 17:17.47 | sateh | some recent update is making my sarge box have a load of 1.0 all the time ... is that a known bug/issue? |
| 17:17.48 | kazzil | i want to do copyleft |
| 17:17.49 | By-Tor | At home, its tar piped into split, then burned to CD-R |
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| 17:17.59 | outlaw84 | When I used e2defrag It said that a few blocks in the begining was bad |
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| 17:18.07 | node23 | stfu |
| 17:18.10 | ravn | two questions: 1. I would like to change from boa to apache webserver when booting, how to do this?? 2. I would like to change te check time so that my hdd-partitions are not checked so often (every 25'th time or so), how to do this?? |
| 17:18.13 | node23 | don't be a cock |
| 17:18.13 | TwistedEmotions | eeyore-: is she purrrdy? |
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| 17:18.22 | eeyore- | TwistedEmotions: :) |
| 17:18.26 | valdyn | outlaw84: so your harddiskis broken too |
| 17:18.33 | eeyore- | TwistedEmotions: if you're asking about the ui, it's nonexistent |
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| 17:18.37 | bnoji | Ok. Assuming I have no free externally accesible drive bays on my rack server, I would need to get another one, install a front loading drive bay and start rotating HD's, say storing each day as Monday.tar.gz, Tuesday.tar.gz, etc... ? |
| 17:18.44 | eeyore- | TwistedEmotions: but if you're asking if it works, you'd better believe it! |
| 17:18.52 | Gnea | outlaw84: what you're going to have to do is reformat and reinstall. and never use any sort of defrag util on an ext2/3 partition ever again. EVER. |
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| 17:18.53 | TwistedEmotions | eeyore-: no was just making a REAAALLLY dumb joke. |
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| 17:19.12 | Gnea | outlaw84: fsck takes care of all of the filesystem maintenance |
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| 17:19.45 | node23 | In route -n 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 17:19.46 | ke6isf | node23: I'm not being a "cock", as you so put it. I'm merely informing you of proper ettiquette on the channel via a canned message from dpkg. Everyone here follows it, so should you. |
| 17:20.06 | TwistedEmotions | !slap node23 |
| 17:20.22 | node23 | and 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 17:20.32 | node23 | I didn't do anything? so why say that? |
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| 17:20.49 | eeyore- | node23: take it private, please |
| 17:20.56 | eeyore- | ke6isf: don't egg him on |
| 17:20.59 | Gnea | node23: why you gotta take it so personally? |
| 17:21.10 | ke6isf | eeyore-: This is a job for /ignore right now, methinks. |
| 17:21.14 | node23 | eeyore-: does my route -n look ok? |
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| 17:21.28 | eeyore- | node23: wasn't paying attention, please restate the question again |
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| 17:21.48 | node23 | because I am being ignored and I think he confused me with someone else, he stated saying shit about defragging to me, like WTF? I don't even use windows..... |
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| 17:22.04 | yel | hello everyone! |
| 17:22.09 | ke6isf | !everyone |
| 17:22.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies |
| 17:22.10 | eeyore- | node23: i know, let it drop |
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| 17:22.19 | Zubziro | anyone plz HOW TO DISABLE "TRASH" COMPLETLY ???? |
| 17:22.20 | TwistedEmotions | eeyore-: You were busy at looking at amanda werent you? That's why you missed the question... |
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| 17:22.38 | stew | dpkg: forget everyone |
| 17:22.38 | dpkg | i forgot everyone, stew |
| 17:22.39 | Zubziro | is it possible ? |
| 17:22.46 | eeyore- | Zubziro: stupid idea, symlinking trash to /dev/null? |
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| 17:22.58 | Seb | i just installed marillat's gpg key to my apt-key (apt-key list shows it) but it still says the mariallt package couldn't be authenticated, what gives ? |
| 17:23.00 | Zubziro | thanks |
| 17:23.05 | Seb | disclaimer: I'm new to this apt secure thing :) |
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| 17:23.08 | eeyore- | Zubziro: i'd be surprised if it works |
| 17:23.11 | TwistedEmotions | Linux has a 'trash'? |
| 17:23.16 | node23 | eeyore-: well, I can't access the net on my client. but my server config is correct, because I have debian on another hdd I was just using in the client pc and the net worked fine, but I just done a clean install on another hdd and now I cannot access the internet. I have configured ifconfig and DNS and added the GW. |
| 17:23.18 | eeyore- | TwistedEmotions: desktop environments |
| 17:23.19 | yel | who is running tomcat on sarge here ? |
| 17:23.21 | TwistedEmotions | Shit... must have gigs of porn in there |
| 17:23.21 | kazzil | apt secure... bblllllaaaahhhhh |
| 17:23.25 | valdyn | Seb: did you copy and paste the stuff from marillats webpage? |
| 17:23.30 | Seb | valdyn: yeah |
| 17:23.31 | TwistedEmotions | eeyore-: awwww.. just kidding. |
| 17:23.38 | The_Ball | Zubziro, you are talking about a window manager setting |
| 17:23.38 | Seb | valdyn: it went fine, and apt-key list does list his key |
| 17:23.44 | valdyn | Seb: weird, works for me. |
| 17:23.48 | eeyore- | node23: why don't you just do dhcp? |
| 17:23.49 | Seb | oh maybe I need to apt-get update again |
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| 17:23.58 | Turjakas | is there a debian netinst cd available for sparc (64) with 2.6 kernel ? |
| 17:24.00 | node23 | It doesn't work |
| 17:24.00 | Zubziro | yes |
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| 17:24.05 | Zubziro | gnome trash |
| 17:24.08 | Seb | valdyn: yeah that was it, make sense now that I think about it |
| 17:24.12 | ke6isf | Zubziro: The wastebasket? |
| 17:24.15 | TwistedEmotions | Turjakas: check on the site.. |
| 17:24.20 | The_Ball | Zubziro, yes it is, but you should lookup it's help |
| 17:24.22 | mlalkaka | does sshd have a logfile? |
| 17:24.22 | Zubziro | yes |
| 17:24.28 | Zubziro | ok |
| 17:24.31 | valdyn | mlalkaka: no |
| 17:24.41 | stew | Turjakas: all the netinst cds have 2.6 kernels |
| 17:24.42 | valdyn | mlalkaka: what info are you looking for? |
| 17:24.44 | Turjakas | TwistedEmotions: at least the one for sarge doesn't accept "linux26" |
| 17:24.46 | eeyore- | node23: do you know how to set up iptables and nat? that sounds like what you're trying to do |
| 17:24.47 | node23 | also my server is already setup with ipmasq and iptables to share the dialup connection. |
| 17:24.50 | Turjakas | oh ?.. |
| 17:24.53 | stew | Turjakas: oh? |
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| 17:25.02 | Seb | mlalkaka: most likely what you want is in /var/log/auth/log |
| 17:25.02 | markybob | anyone else having trouble accessing security.debian.org? |
| 17:25.03 | stew | Turjakas: maybe i'm wrong then, |
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| 17:25.14 | TwistedEmotions | Turjakas: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/sparc/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-sparc-netinst.iso |
| 17:25.16 | node23 | I told you, it is already setup on my server. it works because I was using another install on the client pc. |
| 17:25.18 | stew | Turjakas: ask in #debian-sparc |
| 17:25.20 | valdyn | !topicsmite markybob |
| 17:25.21 | Laibsch | Hi, is there an online collaboration software for sharing the desktop? I know about VNC but I need the ability to have other people in the online meeting display their desktop as well. Does such a thing exist? |
| 17:25.22 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon markybob. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:25.40 | Turjakas | TwistedEmotions: that's the one I'm using, and typing linux26 at SILO prompt doesn't get me anywhere :) |
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| 17:25.53 | mlalkaka | valdyn: i'm looking for information about which accounts are logged on to and from which ip addresses. |
| 17:25.54 | Turjakas | it defaults to ancient 2.4.27 |
| 17:26.04 | TwistedEmotions | Turjakas: some reason why you need 2.6 specifically? |
| 17:26.05 | eeyore- | node23: ok, so why is it not working on this pc then? :) screwed something up with ip/subnet/defaultroute/ |
| 17:26.07 | valdyn | mlalkaka: 'who' or 'w' |
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| 17:26.25 | node23 | no idea, I JUST installed it. |
| 17:26.28 | TwistedEmotions | Turjakas: Is it possible to use testing build? |
| 17:26.35 | bnoji | http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?Sku=5677854 <- I could just use USB mass storage for this, right? |
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| 17:27.01 | ke6isf | Is it possible to use iptables to throttle bandwidth for an application? |
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| 17:27.07 | valdyn | mlalkaka: past logins are in /var/log/auth.log, independent if via ssh or whatever |
| 17:27.16 | Turjakas | TwistedEmotions: yes, it is... maybe it works with that then.. |
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| 17:27.44 | node23 | I can ping the server, but not the internet |
| 17:27.54 | TwistedEmotions | Turjakas: using the testing or unstable cd's should give you the newest kernel pre-patched by debian |
| 17:27.55 | Turjakas | TwistedEmotions: i'm just searching for a kernel that supports Tekram DC-305 scsi-card and the 2.4.27 didn't find it :/ |
| 17:28.01 | mlalkaka | valdyn: but who and w will only show me who is currently logged on. i was looking for info on previously logged on clients |
| 17:28.03 | Turjakas | ok.. |
| 17:28.09 | By-Tor | node23: Can you ping ips on the internet? |
| 17:28.13 | valdyn | mlalkaka: /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:28.18 | TwistedEmotions | Turjakas: install with 2.4.27 then upgrade? |
| 17:28.35 | mlalkaka | valdyn: thanks. |
| 17:28.41 | Seb | mlalkaka: you might also like 'last' |
| 17:28.55 | Turjakas | TwistedEmotions: eww, you see, I'm trying to install linux on an scsi disk connected to that controller .. |
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| 17:29.08 | node23 | Yess |
| 17:29.12 | mlalkaka | Seb: do you mean /var/log/auth/log or /var/log/auth.log? |
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| 17:29.23 | Fendor | Hey. Can someone help me with my computer? |
| 17:29.24 | By-Tor | node23: Can you ping whatevers in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 17:29.33 | eeyore- | Turjakas: you'd probably be better off with unofficial sid boot cd for 2.6 stuff |
| 17:29.33 | node23 | I just restored the iptables script and it works. Don't know why I had to do that. Strange thing. |
| 17:29.35 | Seb | mlalkaka: i mean what valdyn sais, plus the command last. man last. |
| 17:29.37 | Seb | said |
| 17:29.42 | eeyore- | Turjakas: yes, i know you mentioned sparc :) good luck |
| 17:29.54 | node23 | iptables-restore < /home/user/iptablesconfig |
| 17:29.55 | TwistedEmotions | Turjakas: Ahhh... I See... have you tried loading the kernel onto a cd then flinging it at the wall? Never helped me but makes me feel better about any problem. |
| 17:29.58 | mlalkaka | Seb: ok. thanks |
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| 17:30.43 | eeyore- | TwistedEmotions: there are days when i enjoy mindless banter and jokes, but even today i think your banter vs useful comment ratio is very low |
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| 17:31.05 | bnoji | What's needed to hot swap HDDs? |
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| 17:31.09 | abrotman | eeyore-: cows! |
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| 17:31.13 | Turjakas | TwistedEmotions: hehe, you really consider that as good advice ? ;) |
| 17:31.28 | TwistedEmotions | eeyore-: Hey I was first to suggest he just use testing cd's! |
| 17:31.30 | eeyore- | abrotman: must be i woke up with aching back ... |
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| 17:31.40 | TwistedEmotions | eeyore-: but yes the ratio is low ;) |
| 17:31.43 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's not nice to say about your wife :) |
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| 17:31.48 | By-Tor | node23: If you can ping ip's on the internet, but can't lookup names to ip, that would suggest something wrong with /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:32.08 | eeyore- | bnoji: you need hot-swap capable carrier of some sort, that won't fry your drives/motherboard interfaces |
| 17:32.18 | wang_ | are there any IM clients for debian that will do video/audio streaming for MSN/Yahoo/Google? |
| 17:32.19 | eeyore- | bnoji: then you need kernel that likes to have hotswap drives |
| 17:32.41 | node23 | By-Tor: I done this on my server and now it works: iptables-restore < /home/user/iptablesconfig |
| 17:32.51 | bnoji | I'm trying to avoid having to take down the server in between backups. |
| 17:32.57 | eeyore- | bnoji: basically, PATA IDE hotswap = nonexistent. SATA IDE hotswap = plausible. Firewire hotswap = most natural. Or, you can get yourself a nice 3ware card and hot-swap all day. |
| 17:33.11 | stew | yay 3ware! |
| 17:33.27 | bnoji | I havent had the chance to use firewire yet. |
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| 17:33.47 | eeyore- | bnoji: you'd probably hate firewire ... the driver/linux/whatever seem to still have bandwidth issues |
| 17:33.53 | marc_in_lux | hello |
| 17:33.55 | node23 | Can you install Debian on a usb drive and boot it? |
| 17:33.59 | marc_in_lux | i keep seeing this in my log: PAM-lastlog[17951]: /var/log/lastlog file is locked/write |
| 17:34.07 | eeyore- | bnoji: you start stuffing it with hundreds of gigs of data and something along the way just chokes, and disconnects |
| 17:34.13 | By-Tor | node23: Only if your bios supports booting from USB |
| 17:34.23 | marc_in_lux | I deleted and recreated that file and it won't go away. |
| 17:34.24 | bnoji | eeyore-: I had that issue with USB a while back |
| 17:34.25 | node23 | 32mb, usb drive |
| 17:34.28 | bnoji | dont use it much these days though. |
| 17:34.28 | marc_in_lux | what can I do? |
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| 17:35.30 | eeyore- | bnoji: yeah, if this is for a serious server, 3ware + hotswap bays is the way to go. want case recommendation? |
| 17:35.35 | bnoji | My issue is this: I have 1 rack server to attach a backup device to. It's using SATA right now. No space for externally accessible drive bays. |
| 17:35.39 | eeyore- | bnoji: www.servercases.com, let's see |
| 17:35.52 | bnoji | eeyore-: I dont have the budget to build a new system |
| 17:36.06 | bnoji | We were hoping to use rotating tapes. |
| 17:36.06 | eeyore- | bnoji: oh too bad :-) |
| 17:36.15 | bnoji | one drive and 6 tapes. |
| 17:36.18 | node23 | I think this monitor is going to blow-up soon, it's been going yellow for ages and I have to bash the crap out of it to make it come clean again, sometimes it doesn't go back, it just stays yellow. Time to start saving for a new monitor I think... |
| 17:36.25 | eeyore- | http://www.kricomputer.com/shop/index.php/detail3/546//988886bac01b2603bf7c0517ff44164c4332eb83 |
| 17:37.00 | Flendor | node- - Bashing the crap out of your monitor doesn't sound very safe to me.. |
| 17:37.09 | bnoji | eeyore-: I wish I could get that... |
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| 17:37.24 | Flendor | I somehow have the impression that CRT monitors may blow when subjected to big forces :/ |
| 17:37.27 | bnoji | My budget is around $300-400 total for the device and media. |
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| 17:37.39 | bnoji | Must be external. |
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| 17:38.06 | node23 | holyshit! I didn't know that haha |
| 17:38.56 | node23 | It's a really old 14" digital corp |
| 17:39.14 | Flendor | No, I mean, my bosses don't mind it, they push and punch my monitor at work |
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| 17:39.21 | eeyore- | Flendor: they may "suck" (they're not under pressure) |
| 17:39.31 | Flendor | I may be over-worried.. |
| 17:39.49 | eeyore- | Flendor: but, on the other hand, there is a high-voltage section that's ... what ... several tens of thousand volts? lots of amps too? could fry you if you're stupid. |
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| 17:40.45 | Flendor | I'm not going to poke my hand in it (no, I'm not stupid) but I fear, one day it will blow up, sending shards of glass in my face. :/ |
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| 17:41.02 | DarKnesS_WolF | how to add keyboard in ( another lang ) in debian ? |
| 17:41.04 | shadow98 | anybody on that has installed nagios from apt-get install? |
| 17:41.06 | node23 | I guess I better thow this old thing out then before it turns into an EMP and destroys my house. |
| 17:41.06 | Flendor | Not by itself, of course - My OCD isn't that bad :P |
| 17:41.28 | DarKnesS_WolF | shadow98: not me but i`m using nagios at work on MDK 10.1 Official. |
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| 17:41.35 | eeyore- | Flendor: the face of the CRT tube has got to be pretty thick. if you took a sledgehammer to it and try very hard you could crack it. try it and see for yourself |
| 17:41.42 | thegeekdom | How well does debian work with 64 bit amd processors ? |
| 17:42.01 | eeyore- | Flendor: and since it's vaccuum in there, it won't explode as much as implode |
| 17:42.01 | thegeekdom | Shal I say "how efficent |
| 17:42.06 | madclicker | is it possible to allow certain users imap access and all the rest pop3 / |
| 17:42.07 | madclicker | ? |
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| 17:42.20 | thingfish | thegeekdom: you might want to ask that in #debian-amd64 |
| 17:42.27 | thegeekdom | Cool! |
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| 17:42.55 | Flendor | Oh. Well, thanks, I'm relieved (I'm serious, I tend to mind little things) |
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| 17:43.02 | node23 | madclicker: anything is possible. |
| 17:43.40 | Anthro | madclicker: Did you have a particular piece of software in mind? |
| 17:43.45 | Quink_ | i've got a server which connects with ppp0 and ppp1 to my university network. The problem is that it never uses ppp0 for outgoing connections, while I use iproute2 to loadbalance on both connections. Anybody any ideas what I do wrong? |
| 17:43.52 | node23 | anyone use irc on 2600.com? |
| 17:43.56 | madclicker | node23: have you tried it and with which agent? |
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| 17:44.10 | madclicker | Anthro: the one that would do it |
| 17:44.14 | asg | node23: not in a very long time |
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| 17:44.24 | greycat | Quink_: try #iptables or lartc.org |
| 17:44.37 | Anthro | madclicker: Well, you can always use separate servers for POP3 and IMAP and configure their authentication differently. |
| 17:44.48 | node23 | I was speaking to mitnick theother day |
| 17:44.58 | Anthro | madclicker: Not separate machines, necessarily, just separate software packages. |
| 17:45.03 | greycat | hrmph. |
| 17:45.20 | bnoji | eeyore-: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817122301 <-- I think thats what I want. |
| 17:45.44 | madclicker | Anthro: how do i separate authentications? |
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| 17:46.04 | zero-1 | what is the popen source altenative to vmware??? |
| 17:46.08 | zero-1 | open source |
| 17:46.11 | Quink_ | greycat: thanks for that link, i will look at it |
| 17:46.13 | asg | node23: I knew Ben Sherman some time back and Eric once attended a BBS party of ours in the early '90s |
| 17:46.18 | Anthro | madclicker: It depends on how you do your authentication in the first place. |
| 17:46.29 | Anthro | zero-1: qemu? bochs? |
| 17:46.46 | eeyore- | bnoji: you dont' have space for that in 1U rack |
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| 17:46.52 | eeyore- | bnoji: or did i misunderstand? |
| 17:47.02 | zero-1 | thanks gusy |
| 17:47.09 | zero-1 | guys |
| 17:47.16 | DarKnesS_WolF | how to add keyboard in ( another lang ) in debian ? |
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| 17:47.48 | Anthro | DarKnesS_WolF: dpkg-reconfigure console-data, I think |
| 17:48.01 | madclicker | Anthro: right now i use popa3d and all local users are authenticated through unix password |
| 17:48.03 | priest | Is there any official mirrors to security.debian.org? |
| 17:48.25 | greycat | not yet. |
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| 17:48.40 | priest | greycat, will there be? |
| 17:48.45 | bnoji | eeyore-: Thats an external enclosure |
| 17:48.46 | Anthro | madclicker: How is mail stored on the system? |
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| 17:49.12 | bnoji | or internal? |
| 17:49.13 | DarKnesS_WolF | Anthro: seems nop |
| 17:49.21 | madclicker | Anthro, right now $mildir |
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| 17:49.50 | madclicker | Anthro, right /var/spool/mail |
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| 17:50.08 | madclicker | Anthro, $mailfile |
| 17:50.25 | Anthro | madclicker: Ah. Can you have it use Maildir? I'm not familiar with popa3d, so I don't know if it can do that. |
| 17:50.48 | noble- | geez |
| 17:51.04 | noble- | is there a command for looking at my memory? besdies dmesg |
| 17:51.14 | asg | noble-: vmstat, free |
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| 17:51.26 | noble- | asg, thanks |
| 17:51.28 | Anthro | noble-: cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 17:52.14 | noble- | just installed 2 new sticks of ram in my box |
| 17:52.23 | noble- | actually they weren't new, I ripped them out of my old server |
| 17:52.25 | noble- | muah |
| 17:52.33 | noble- | which is where I get most parts |
| 17:53.10 | node23 | WHey whats that shit called when you are in the shell and there is a picture behind it. bootsplash? |
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| 17:53.46 | mhall | woot, my IPv6 access is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow |
| 17:53.48 | greycat | node23: "the shell" meaning an X terminal emulator? |
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| 17:54.02 | greycat | node23: or a linux FB console? |
| 17:54.11 | node23 | FB console |
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| 17:54.37 | By-Tor | node23: a lot of terms have a trans capability |
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| 17:54.51 | By-Tor | node23: I use wterm myself. |
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| 17:55.05 | node23 | no, it's not a term, it's the dos thing |
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| 17:55.11 | node23 | text mode.... |
| 17:55.20 | node23 | tty |
| 17:55.28 | By-Tor | node23: Hve no idea. |
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| 17:55.39 | Bob332 | can someone help me plan a good server class dell machine for debian, i dont know much about raid and debian, or even if it matters |
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| 17:55.48 | node23 | Gentoo has it, it's framebuffer or bootsplash. |
| 17:55.56 | greycat | *REAL* raid shows up as a single SCSI disk. |
| 17:56.13 | Bob332 | greycat, ok cool |
| 17:56.41 | bucky | Bob332, why does it have to be a dell? |
| 17:56.41 | Bob332 | i always forget the diff between raid0 and raid1, 1 is mirror right |
| 17:56.48 | greycat | yes |
| 17:56.49 | bnoji | For an incremental backup, should I just write a script to check the modification time of any files in a directory against the last backup time and save only those files? |
| 17:56.50 | stew | hrm so dsa 818 was just sent to dsa, i know 816 was xfree which hasn't been released yet becuase of the bandwidth, makes me wonder what 817 is |
| 17:56.53 | greycat | 0 is non-redundant striping only. |
| 17:57.02 | Bob332 | bucky, dont have to be but i prefer dell |
| 17:57.04 | Gathond | Bob332: however most current "raid" on motherboards are not REAL raid |
| 17:57.09 | goccia | i'm checking this opera free : damn really faster then firefox and it use 25% less memory |
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| 17:57.24 | greycat | and no source! |
| 17:57.26 | Bob332 | Gathond, how so? |
| 17:57.29 | greycat | and no HP-UX 10.20 version! |
| 17:57.34 | goccia | yehhh that's the problem :( |
| 17:57.45 | Gathond | Bob332: most implement the raid functionality in the driver software |
| 17:57.54 | Lanix | heyyy ! |
| 17:57.54 | jjazz | bnoji: use rsync and that will get taken care of for you |
| 17:58.05 | node23 | Bob332: a computer is a computer, doesn't matter what name is on the damn thing. Build it yourself and save massive $$$! |
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| 17:58.46 | By-Tor | I've got 52 servers at my company, I built every single one. |
| 17:58.54 | priest | node23, sometimes time=$$$ ;) |
| 17:59.08 | Bob332 | By-Tor, are they rack mounts? |
| 17:59.10 | greycat | node23: it might, if you want a support contract |
| 17:59.31 | By-Tor | Bob332: Some. |
| 17:59.54 | By-Tor | Bob332: Most actually at this point. We just moved into ATX cases. |
| 18:00.12 | Bob332 | ok, so whats the best enterprise class server for debian at around 4 grand a pop |
| 18:00.37 | node23 | well look, the best hackers in the world use cheap IBM clones. |
| 18:00.41 | By-Tor | Bob332: Gimme the 4 grand, I'll build you the greatest server in the world. |
| 18:00.52 | Bob332 | what im getting at is that there are no real issues with enterprise class hardware and debian....i have always just used desktop machines |
| 18:01.03 | By-Tor | Well, maby not the "world" so to speak ;) |
| 18:01.04 | jjazz | By-Tor: he'll open it up and mice will come running out. ;) |
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| 18:01.29 | By-Tor | jjazz: Close, AMD Athlon XP 3000+ baby |
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| 18:01.54 | By-Tor | jjazz: and a whole 80 gigs of hard drive space! |
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| 18:02.12 | node23 | My computer is powered by mice and cockroaches. Mouse Inside! |
| 18:02.25 | By-Tor | node23: Cyrix? |
| 18:02.35 | Revenger | "Intel Outside!" |
| 18:02.39 | jjazz | By-Tor: But the mice are sure to be cuter. I really think you should go with the mice. |
| 18:02.48 | node23 | no, AMD K6 500 |
| 18:03.09 | jjazz | node23: I had one of those. Still do... it's under a bed holding some spare harddrives. |
| 18:03.13 | node23 | stupid amd pice of shit! Intel runs cooler |
| 18:03.18 | Revenger | even my laptop is faster :P |
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| 18:03.25 | Revenger | and its cool. |
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| 18:03.48 | ircops | ugh... little off topic, but I have no other resources that are helping me with this, so I have to ask the most helpful channel I know (pucker, smooch): does ANYBODY know how to print mozilla firefox history? |
| 18:03.49 | jjazz | I have a celeron that gets so hot, the keys burn your fingers if you sit there with your fingers on the home row. |
| 18:03.52 | Revenger | AMD 64 mobile 3700+ |
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| 18:03.54 | node23 | I have a G3 ibook |
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| 18:04.02 | joel | I have a G4 |
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| 18:04.05 | joel | *pwnd* |
| 18:04.15 | bnoji | I have a thinkpad R30 |
| 18:04.16 | Bob332 | so if i use raid 1, i could loose one disk at any time and easily recover? |
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| 18:04.31 | Bob332 | by just plugging in a new replacement drive and rebuilding ? |
| 18:04.34 | greycat | please don't loosen your disks. |
| 18:04.43 | jjazz | bnoji: I have a Dell lattitude, Dell inspiron and a couple thinkpads (T40 being the good one) |
| 18:05.15 | bnoji | Mine took over a month to ship. By the time I actually got it, that model was discontinued. |
| 18:05.18 | node23 | The HDD in my ibook is dead, I can't fdisk it or anything :( |
| 18:05.29 | Revenger | call the cops. "disk on the loose! direction unknown!" |
| 18:05.36 | jjazz | greycat: all the cool kids do it. It's like wearing your pants two sizes too large. |
| 18:06.04 | joel | I wear my pants two sizes too large |
| 18:06.19 | jjazz | bnoji: Most of my hardware is hand-me-downs from people who buy new gear every year or so. |
| 18:06.30 | node23 | what do you mean loosen disks? |
| 18:06.37 | greycat | 14:04 Bob332> so if i use raid 1, i could loose one disk at any time and |
| 18:06.39 | JohnnyST | Is TLS enables in postfix in debian sarge? |
| 18:06.54 | JohnnyST | enabled |
| 18:07.05 | stew | JohnnyST: install the postfix-tls packages |
| 18:07.10 | stew | s/s$// |
| 18:07.11 | jim | JohnnyST: get the source package, cd in there, look at debian/rules |
| 18:07.18 | Ronin | isnt' it combined into postfix now stew ? |
| 18:07.22 | jim | oh, well... |
| 18:07.25 | stew | Ronin: yes, but he asked about sarge |
| 18:07.39 | Ronin | oops so he did |
| 18:07.59 | node23 | Is there a way to have 2 apt-get's going at one? |
| 18:08.07 | abrotman | lock |
| 18:08.07 | stew | no |
| 18:08.13 | jjazz | node23: not a good idea, really |
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| 18:08.16 | greycat | node23: two computers. |
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| 18:08.22 | abrotman | jjazz: not on the same computer you can't |
| 18:08.28 | greycat | well, a chroot... |
| 18:08.31 | jjazz | abrotman: Right, and it's a really bad idea. |
| 18:08.41 | abrotman | lock files! |
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| 18:08.52 | node23 | why? |
| 18:09.14 | asg | node23: you can stop and resume an apt-get (at least the package download part) |
| 18:09.15 | greycat | node23: because they create files directly in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ |
| 18:09.17 | node23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.28 | greycat | node23: the filenames could easily collide if multiple instances were permitted to run at once |
| 18:09.33 | psychonate | What's the best way to handle the udev issue in testing? Just wait? |
| 18:09.41 | greycat | psychonate: install linux-image-2.6-blah-blah |
| 18:09.48 | jjazz | node23: Because the package system is responsible for all your software. Cock that up and you'll be crying into your beer for days. |
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| 18:10.04 | abrotman | jjazz: you mean the empty beer glass |
| 18:10.11 | asg | jjazz: nothing more wasteful than watered down beer |
| 18:10.19 | jjazz | abrotman: He'll be crying so hard, the glass will be full of salty water |
| 18:10.25 | JohnnyST | stew: ok |
| 18:10.29 | node23 | yeah, screw that. |
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| 18:10.35 | psychonate | greycat, I don't follow you. I'm already using a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 18:10.41 | node23 | Time for me to go to bed. |
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| 18:10.44 | abrotman | asg: makes great stuff for cleaning dishes! |
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| 18:11.04 | greycat | psychonate: WHICH "udev issue" are you talking about? |
| 18:11.07 | asg | abrotman: tears or beer? |
| 18:11.16 | psychonate | brb someone at my door heh |
| 18:11.18 | abrotman | asg: watered down beer :) |
| 18:11.22 | madradrone | i notice gam_server running at 98% of cpu - what is the deal with it? |
| 18:11.31 | abrotman | lots of gaming ? |
| 18:12.25 | madradrone | abrotman: compiling a kernel... |
| 18:12.25 | abrotman | right .. |
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| 18:12.47 | node23 | well cyas |
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| 18:13.32 | Yokalosh | one of my drives just suddenly became read-only after a couple of months of being readable, writable and executable |
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| 18:13.41 | Yokalosh | i dnt get how fstab could just change |
| 18:13.44 | psychonate | greycat, oh, maybe it's a hal issue: "hal: Depends: udev (>= 0.063) but 0.056-3 is installed" |
| 18:13.52 | joel | Yokalosh: mabye you're rooted |
| 18:13.55 | asg | Yokalosh: did fstab change or was it remounted ro due to a filesystem error |
| 18:14.00 | greycat | psychonate: and you installed udev, and what happend...? |
| 18:14.03 | greycat | happened* |
| 18:14.04 | Flendor | I had the same one, psychonate |
| 18:14.10 | psychonate | Flendor, oh? |
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| 18:14.16 | Yokalosh | it is mounted as the same thing |
| 18:14.21 | Flendor | When you try to install udev, it says "kernel is less than 2.6.12" |
| 18:14.21 | Yokalosh | and it is a removable drive |
| 18:14.24 | psychonate | that prevents me from finishing my 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 18:14.33 | greycat | 14:09 greycat> psychonate: install linux-image-2.6-blah-blah |
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| 18:14.37 | valdyn | !udev 2.6.12 |
| 18:14.37 | dpkg | if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from packages.debian.org and installing it with dpkg -i |
| 18:14.39 | Flendor | I managed to work round it by installing kernel as well |
| 18:15.00 | Bob332 | how does linux take to the dual core technology out there now??? Dell Poweredge 850's are dual core |
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| 18:15.12 | psychonate | ah, I see |
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| 18:15.20 | asg | Bob332: it works; whether you get any benefit at all is debatable. |
| 18:15.23 | psychonate | poo, that means I'll have to reboot eventually :( |
| 18:15.25 | Flendor | Oh. I apt-get install'ed, specifying udev and kernel in one line. :/ |
| 18:15.28 | Yokalosh | the weird thing is, it says i am the owner in the drive properties but then at the bottom it says i am not the owner so i cant change the permissions |
| 18:15.32 | valdyn | Bob332: like any other smp |
| 18:15.33 | psychonate | for the new kernel anyway |
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| 18:15.39 | greycat | Flendor: did it work? |
| 18:15.50 | gniretar | Bob332: It treats dual-core like like two seperate processors (ppl, correct me if i am wrong) |
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| 18:16.10 | gniretar | Bob332: Last time i booted on a dual core it registered CPU0 and CPU1 |
| 18:16.12 | madclicker | Anthro, you there? |
| 18:16.36 | Coweater | dual core should work with a standard smp kernel |
| 18:16.37 | Flendor | Yes, it seems so |
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| 18:16.42 | Flendor | Let me see the command again |
| 18:16.48 | jim | does this hal thing and udev work together somehow? what does hal do? |
| 18:16.48 | greycat | !congratulate Flendor |
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| 18:16.49 | dpkg | Woohoo Flendor, you did it! |
| 18:16.56 | greycat | !info hal sarge |
| 18:17.03 | dpkg | hal: (Hardware Abstraction Layer), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.7-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 208 kB, Installed size: 504 kB |
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| 18:17.11 | Flendor | Yay \o/ (Thanks greycat ;) ) |
| 18:17.35 | gniretar | woal, so you can make a micor kernel hybred with Linux? |
| 18:17.39 | gniretar | woa* |
| 18:17.43 | gniretar | !grin |
| 18:18.01 | jim | I think you mean wool? |
| 18:18.13 | greycat | he misspelled half the sentence, so probably. |
| 18:18.25 | gniretar | hmmm, lemme try that sentance again |
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| 18:18.39 | stew | sentence |
| 18:18.42 | jim | he's a hybred speler? |
| 18:18.51 | gniretar | woah, so you can make a micro kernel hybrid system with Linux? |
| 18:19.06 | gniretar | *runs from the spelling nazis* |
| 18:19.08 | stew | gniretar: no |
| 18:19.21 | bucky | is bsd a micro kerenel ? dunno just asking |
| 18:19.22 | gniretar | stew: then what exactly is a hal? |
| 18:19.32 | gniretar | bucky: i believe so. |
| 18:19.33 | stew | hardware abstraction layer |
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| 18:19.41 | gniretar | stew: what does it do? |
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| 18:19.47 | RogueDopple | the computer from 2001 a space odyseey |
| 18:19.51 | gniretar | lol |
| 18:19.55 | stew | !hal |
| 18:19.55 | dpkg | i heard hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 18:19.56 | jim | hal does hal? |
| 18:19.59 | bucky | hal makes slowaris slower |
| 18:20.11 | ke6isf | gniretar: "Hold At Location". At FedEx, any package that is held at a FedEx facility is deemed a HAL. |
| 18:20.20 | greycat | BSD's kernel is NOT a microkernel. |
| 18:20.26 | ke6isf | Not relevant, but interesting if you ever have a package held by FedEx =^_^= |
| 18:20.27 | gniretar | ah, thank you ke6isf |
| 18:20.38 | gniretar | that makes everything clear |
| 18:21.04 | ke6isf | gniretar: Glad to be of ignobel help. =^_^= |
| 18:21.11 | jim | clear as mud too! |
| 18:21.21 | goccia | hmmm : operamotifwrapp 3% ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:21.42 | goccia | then maybe a 5% for a pr0n .... |
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| 18:22.25 | goccia | so i go back to old crappy firefox ... |
| 18:22.26 | madradrone | did the ABI transition occur for etch also? |
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| 18:22.54 | jim | ok, so how does hal fit into a debian system at the moment? and which debians is it complete for? |
| 18:22.55 | stew | madradrone: yes |
| 18:22.59 | psychonate | "linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 depends on module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13); however: Package module-init-tools is not configured yet." |
| 18:23.18 | stew | psychonate: dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:23.23 | greycat | jim: GNOME. |
| 18:23.32 | greycat | the root of all evil. |
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| 18:24.13 | By-Tor | greycat: I thought KDE was the root of all evil? |
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| 18:24.23 | greycat | nope. kde is just a bloated desktop. |
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| 18:24.28 | shadow98 | i just did an apt-get install nagios...and it ran a little configuration screen and asked me a few questions...how do i make debian rerun this config |
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| 18:24.39 | By-Tor | greycat: Right. I'll make a note then. |
| 18:24.50 | kamaraju | Hi labplot is crashing whenever I try to plot from a data file. I checked BTS and this problem has not been reported. The detailed message is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/09/msg02762.html Could someone reproduce the problem so that I can report it to BTS? If you have a solution for it, that would be just great. |
| 18:24.53 | Zweideutig | shadow98: reconfigure |
| 18:24.54 | m0rbid | where can I get Learn bind9 for complete idiots? |
| 18:24.56 | greycat | gnome is a bloated desktop that's taken over the minds of people who should have been useful developers, and caused kernels to do STOOOPID shit. |
| 18:25.22 | Zweideutig | m0rbid: You are not a complete idiot, so that book wouldn't be appropriate for you. |
| 18:25.24 | stew | m0rbid: bind9 isn't for complete idiots |
| 18:25.28 | By-Tor | Well, we can't be all perfect and run WindowMaker |
| 18:25.37 | bucky | the desktop is taking over kernel.org |
| 18:25.46 | m0rbid | I tried, rather attempted to rad the debian install |
| 18:25.46 | tarzeau | greycat: you ever play gnomes in nethack? |
| 18:25.49 | m0rbid | but its complicated. |
| 18:25.53 | shadow98 | Zweideutig: i just ran reconfigure nagios and it didn't do anything |
| 18:25.55 | chealer | kamaraju, which release? |
| 18:26.04 | tarzeau | bucky: be glad debian is not only linux |
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| 18:26.09 | greycat | tarzeau: not many. |
| 18:26.10 | madradrone | when i "make modules_install" on a 2.6.13 kernel it gives many warnings like "lib/modules/2.6.13-smp/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko needs unknown symbol __compound_literal.145" |
| 18:26.12 | gnetux | ns identify xeoman |
| 18:26.14 | bucky | i love gnome |
| 18:26.18 | Crak_otak | which kernel module should i use for this? |
| 18:26.20 | Crak_otak | 0000:00:0e.0 IDE interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE (rev c5) |
| 18:26.30 | greycat | whichever one works. |
| 18:26.32 | kamaraju | chealer: Sorry. Running unstable. Qt: 3.3.4, KDE: 3.3.2, LabPlot: 1.4.0 |
| 18:26.34 | greycat | trial and error. |
| 18:26.40 | Zweideutig | Tabbed window manager > * |
| 18:26.48 | Crak_otak | greycat: thanks |
| 18:26.50 | Crak_otak | ;) |
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| 18:26.59 | greycat | madradrone: we don't support custom kernels, *especially* ones you've built without make-kpkg. |
| 18:27.04 | tarzeau | Zweideutig: only if the tabs are not visible |
| 18:27.06 | chealer | kamaraju, that's sid |
| 18:27.10 | Zweideutig | Everyone should should use TWM. |
| 18:27.15 | psychonate | ah, here goes reboot for new kernel :( |
| 18:27.23 | tarzeau | Zweideutig: yuck! |
| 18:27.24 | Mxyzpltk | shadow98: dpkg-reconfigure <pkg-name> |
| 18:27.27 | greycat | !start a WM war |
| 18:27.28 | dpkg | GNOME sucks! |
| 18:27.28 | By-Tor | tarzeau & bucky: Sure Debian isn't the only Linux. There's Knoppix, LIbranet, oh wait... |
| 18:27.34 | greycat | \o/ |
| 18:27.52 | madradrone | greycat: i will run make-kpkg on it then. but could the kernel have a bug? or could this be from incompatible gcc or something? |
| 18:27.52 | tarzeau | By-Tor: i was saying, there also Hurd and kFreeBSD |
| 18:27.55 | kamaraju | chealer: Yes that is sid. |
| 18:27.57 | greycat | By-Tor: there's Debian, Suse, Fedora and Gentoo. Everything else is a fad. |
| 18:28.01 | Zweideutig | !start a distribution war |
| 18:28.01 | shadow98 | thanks i got it |
| 18:28.05 | stew | madradrone: which gcc are you compiling with? |
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| 18:28.10 | greycat | oh, and Slackware, if you count that as a distro. |
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| 18:28.12 | madradrone | stew: 4 |
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| 18:28.23 | By-Tor | O |
| 18:28.32 | bucky | everybody should have been working on e17 all this time |
| 18:28.34 | Zweideutig | Don't forget OpenLinux. |
| 18:28.39 | By-Tor | I'm so outta touch. I've been hiding behind Apt for about 6 years. |
| 18:28.43 | stew | madradrone: and why are you compiling 2.6.13 instead of just using the precompiled 2.6.12? |
| 18:28.44 | greycat | Zweideutig: what did you say? I've forgotten. |
| 18:28.50 | chealer | kamaraju, you know what to do... ->reportbug |
| 18:28.51 | tarzeau | bucky: too small graphical elements... most sucky terminal |
| 18:28.51 | shadow98 | well it wont run the configure options... |
| 18:28.56 | tarzeau | bucky: x dependant |
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| 18:29.03 | By-Tor | The only reason I use Fedora is to install Ensim, and even thats not by choice. |
| 18:29.04 | madradrone | stew: i need this kernel because i working with the latest swsusp patch |
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| 18:29.25 | kamaraju | chealer: True. But I want to know if others can reproduce it before I report it. Just want to be sure that it is not my mistake. |
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| 18:30.11 | chealer | kamaraju, heh, don't expect others to volunteer to try reproducing bugs on sid. get another machine, report it, or don't |
| 18:30.34 | Zweideutig | OH SDRAM! |
| 18:30.38 | madradrone | stew: unfortunately the latest release of swsusp2 always goes with the latest kernel |
| 18:30.40 | tarzeau | kamaraju: what is it? i might try (if it's not gnome/kdes tuff) |
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| 18:30.52 | kamaraju | chealer: ok. |
| 18:30.58 | tarzeau | madradrone: have you played with kexec yet? |
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| 18:31.13 | tarzeau | Zweideutig: hope you didn't burn yourself |
| 18:31.16 | madradrone | tarzeau: no |
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| 18:31.34 | stew | madradrone: and you need usb audio? |
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| 18:31.37 | Zweideutig | tarzeau: I have pink marks on my legs and stomach from spilling coffee allover myself on a daily basis. |
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| 18:31.43 | kamaraju | tarzeau: It is a crashing problem with a software called labplot. It needs kde. The complete report can be seen at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/09/msg02762.html |
| 18:31.47 | deepan | where can i download revolution os from ? |
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| 18:31.51 | greycat | deepan: google |
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| 18:31.57 | tarzeau | deepan: how would we know? |
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| 18:32.05 | madradrone | stew: yes |
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| 18:32.19 | gloin | security is slow again |
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| 18:32.40 | Zweideutig | deepan: The Internet |
| 18:32.42 | goccia | nice nice : debian take the world over |
| 18:32.54 | Zweideutig | deepan: You may be able to find a down of revolution OS on the Internet. |
| 18:32.55 | bucky | deepan, http://www.revolution-os.com/ first hit on google |
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| 18:33.26 | gloin | I supposea good start would be to move it off of that aged dual PIII |
| 18:33.27 | kazzil | bucky: e is amazing stuff, but its not an entire playform |
| 18:33.27 | kazzil | it lacks stuff like accessibility, full unicode, dialogs, &c &c |
| 18:33.35 | Zweideutig | bucky: Don't encourage people that are too lazy to use Google. |
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| 18:33.45 | stew | madradrone: looks like its a known problem: #329066 |
| 18:33.48 | tarzeau | gloin: these are mostly users here ... |
| 18:33.54 | tarzeau | gloin: we've got a mirror at work |
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| 18:34.22 | stew | madradrone: and it looks like downgrading to gcc 4.0.1-6 might work |
| 18:34.23 | gloin | tarzeau: ? |
| 18:34.29 | tarzeau | gloin: security.d.o |
| 18:34.34 | gloin | ahh |
| 18:34.35 | gloin | well |
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| 18:34.38 | bucky | Zweideutig, you shouldn't encourage people to download copywrited material |
| 18:34.44 | gloin | I'd kind of prefer to get those patches from a known source |
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| 18:34.57 | gloin | bucky: debian is copywrited. Should we avoid downloading it? =P |
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| 18:35.04 | bucky | kazzil, e17 needs more developers |
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| 18:35.36 | madradrone | stew: thanks. will give it a shot with 4.0.1-6 then |
| 18:35.37 | bucky | gloin, part of debian's copywrite is that it should be downloaded |
| 18:35.39 | tarzeau | gloin: make your own mirror? |
| 18:35.46 | gloin | heh |
| 18:35.58 | gloin | well, be more specific, bucky ;-) |
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| 18:36.17 | kazzil | yeah it does |
| 18:36.18 | madradrone | stew: at least its important to know if that type of error is actually with the kernel or something else. thanks |
| 18:36.36 | gloin | tarzeau: that'd be fun. I'm a 2-computer show here. Not sure it'd help me much when security.debian is totally swamped with people downloading xfree crap |
| 18:37.04 | bucky | ok.. deepan try #warez |
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| 18:37.12 | gloin | heh |
| 18:37.15 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi all |
| 18:37.50 | Aragorn_Guardian | i ve been debianized recently...very nice job this debia... 8) |
| 18:38.01 | gloin | heh |
| 18:38.02 | Zweideutig | bucky: HE should try the Internet. |
| 18:38.24 | Aragorn_Guardian | but I dont undesrtand well how i can put services in init.d |
| 18:38.36 | Aragorn_Guardian | i camo from slack and it was no so pretty... 8) |
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| 18:38.38 | gloin | it's a nice machine, but yast makes it go "AHHHGgggggggkk" |
| 18:38.41 | Aragorn_Guardian | ops...came |
| 18:38.57 | stew | Aragorn_Guardian: /etc/init.d/README ; /etc/init.d/skeleton ; man update-rc.d |
| 18:39.00 | deepan | i dont understand why people get angry when i ask about revolution os |
| 18:39.12 | deepan | it is something ethically wrong ? |
| 18:39.18 | Aragorn_Guardian | nice |
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| 18:39.26 | goccia | revolution is a song not a os |
| 18:39.30 | Aragorn_Guardian | skeleton make things works, is that? |
| 18:39.40 | gloin | ahh |
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| 18:39.41 | gloin | the movie |
| 18:40.15 | gloin | now I get the context about the whole copyright flame |
| 18:40.16 | Aragorn_Guardian | stew: so i dont must edit anything by myself, is that? |
| 18:40.19 | bucky | deepan, it's only $24 on amazon |
| 18:40.39 | puff | Afternoon, my rdns appears to have become hosed at some point. I am looking for some guidance in troubleshooting it. "ps ax | fgrep -i named" shows named is there... now what? |
| 18:40.44 | Coweater | $18 used |
| 18:40.46 | stew | Aragorn_Guardian: yes unless one was provided for you, what service are you creating an init script for? |
| 18:40.56 | Coweater | not bad for two dvds |
| 18:41.04 | bucky | not bad |
| 18:41.07 | deepan | i thought it was free.. like linux |
| 18:41.10 | Aragorn_Guardian | stew: a custom firewal, for example |
| 18:41.14 | deepan | bucky: ^ |
| 18:41.20 | puff | [3~ |
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| 18:41.22 | Aragorn_Guardian | i wanna stop netatalk too... |
| 18:41.25 | Coweater | deepan: you misunderstand free |
| 18:41.32 | greycat | !dfsg |
| 18:41.32 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 18:41.34 | bucky | deepan, most movies cost money |
| 18:41.37 | Aragorn_Guardian | I must? or better, I can stop netatalk? 8) |
| 18:41.45 | stew | Aragorn_Guardian: yeah, you get to create your own. for netatalk if there is an init script, you can disable it with update-rc.d / rcconf |
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| 18:42.00 | By-Tor | deepan: http://greylodge.org/gpc/?p=177 |
| 18:42.02 | Aragorn_Guardian | stew: other important thing, was...how can i safely change my network settings? |
| 18:42.15 | stew | Aragorn_Guardian: man 5 interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 18:42.15 | greycat | man interfaces; man resolv.conf |
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| 18:42.47 | nvz | I wasnt aware it was unsafe to change network settings |
| 18:42.55 | goccia | free and linux are like beauty and irssi-text : not for all |
| 18:42.57 | greycat | nvz: if you're 1000 miles away, it's pretty unsafe. |
| 18:43.30 | windowlicker | hey guys is xfce a decent desktop? i use gnome and i think tts pretty good, was looking for some other good ones though |
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| 18:43.38 | Coweater | windowlicker: it works fine |
| 18:43.40 | greycat | only you can decide whether it's good. |
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| 18:43.57 | windowlicker | ok cheers |
| 18:44.10 | nvz | I cant stand xfce there is nothing about it that is worth using IMO |
| 18:44.17 | Aragorn_Guardian | stew: nice...thanks...gonna try... |
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| 18:44.28 | Aragorn_Guardian | stew: debian is really amazing... |
| 18:44.33 | windowlicker | why not nvz? |
| 18:44.35 | nvz | the panel is relatively unconfigurable and useless, same with the filemanager and the rest of it |
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| 18:44.43 | bucky | xfce4 looks like CDE... that's the selling point |
| 18:44.44 | stew | Aragorn_Guardian: hear hear |
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| 18:44.48 | Aragorn_Guardian | stew: i installed the small version, from a 180Mb...everything was done by network... |
| 18:44.50 | rss | hi, i had install a X11 application, which brought many dependencies along with it, now I want to remove it with all its dependencies too. How to do it? |
| 18:45.01 | windowlicker | i like configurable |
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| 18:45.10 | Coweater | nvz: the panel is quite configurable, and the fm is being replaced, they know the old one sucks |
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| 18:45.30 | stew | rss: if you installed with aptitude, that would have been tracked for you, otherwise lookat /mgs dpkg deborphan |
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| 18:45.41 | Aragorn_Guardian | stew: and my server was very fast....very good! |
| 18:45.45 | nvz | Coweater: I havent tried it in a long time, but I couldnt figure out how to change anything important on the panel |
| 18:45.57 | Coweater | it's a simple right click menu |
| 18:46.11 | rss | Thank you, stew. |
| 18:46.23 | Lilldude | liable |
| 18:46.27 | Coweater | and if you haven't used it in a long time maybe you shouldn't be commenting |
| 18:46.35 | GladeGal | I have both a woody and sarge machine setup... woody is working great, sarge however has limited network connectivity. eg, can't resolve dns requests. Any ideas would would cause this? |
| 18:46.35 | windowlicker | burn |
| 18:46.49 | greycat | a broken resolv.conf? |
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| 18:47.11 | GladeGal | Nope. both are identical. |
| 18:47.20 | K9-Cop | Noob question, is there a mirror for security.debian.org? Its going pretty slow for me at the moment. |
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| 18:47.26 | greycat | K9-Cop: no |
| 18:47.30 | GladeGal | could it be something to do with IPv6? |
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| 18:47.39 | greycat | they're working on it. which means "maybe in a few months/years" |
| 18:47.43 | Coweater | windowlicker: the fm does suck though, look at rox, or stick with nautilus is probably better for now |
| 18:47.57 | K9-Cop | greycat: thanks, I didn't think so. |
| 18:48.01 | nvz | will apt rdepends remove everything a meta package installs? |
| 18:48.07 | rss | OK, this is a difficult query, which lightweight window manager would you recommend based on your usage? |
| 18:48.10 | stew | K9-Cop: there is a temprary / unofficial mirror at ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security |
| 18:48.15 | Phated | Openbox. |
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| 18:48.38 | windowlicker | okie dokie (' ',) |
| 18:48.41 | K9-Cop | stew: interesting, is it just someone thought it would be cool to mirror it? or is there a particular reasons? |
| 18:48.44 | rss | Phated, How do you configure the menu in that? |
| 18:48.44 | greycat | Phated: shouldn't you be in bed? |
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| 18:49.15 | Phated | <shrug> |
| 18:49.16 | Coweater | rss: ratpoison, fluxbox, depending on how light you want |
| 18:49.20 | stew | K9-Cop: this particular reason was as a temporary fix to the bandwidth problems. this mirror could go away at any time |
| 18:49.31 | K9-Cop | k |
| 18:49.35 | Phated | greycat: Soon. |
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| 18:49.54 | rss | Coweater, I am a click junkie and gimp doesn't work in ratpoison |
| 18:50.26 | Phated | rss: Depends what you mean by configure. It's lightweight, it's a window manager. I don't need to configure my menu, but the menu file, IIRC, is am XML file. |
| 18:50.30 | stew | rss: ion3 is a more clicky friendly ratpoison like wm that allows for floting windows |
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| 18:51.07 | rss | Phated, How to customise the menu? |
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| 18:51.19 | rss | through editing dotfiles? |
| 18:51.21 | jc_ | Good Afternoon |
| 18:51.27 | rss | Good Night |
| 18:51.28 | greycat | rss: that would be too easy. |
| 18:51.29 | jc_ | Someone uses Jail Chroot ? |
| 18:51.32 | Phated | rss: Oh, go use KDE. |
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| 18:51.33 | GladeGal | could it be bind9? |
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| 18:51.53 | Phated | :) |
| 18:51.53 | rss | Phated: lightweight! |
| 18:51.55 | nvz | whats the command to start an XFCE4 desktop session? |
| 18:52.06 | rss | xfce4-session? |
| 18:52.15 | Phated | rss: <shrug> Clicky, lightweight, easy to config. Choose any two. |
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| 18:52.23 | greycat | maybe dpkg -L xfce4 | grep bin ...? |
| 18:52.30 | mika_ | hi |
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| 18:52.38 | nvz | I wonder why that didnt come up with xfce{tab][tab] but it did with xf[tab][tab] |
| 18:52.48 | mika_ | What significate 2 << 3 << 4 in C++ ? |
| 18:52.55 | sn00p_ | anybody know why my video wont use 800x600 85 hertz in debian in X? |
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| 18:53.31 | greycat | mika_: ask ##c++ or #c++ |
| 18:53.41 | rss | Phated, windowmaker has worked for me for more than three years... but it is causing me pain in the index and ring fingers... |
| 18:53.50 | Phated | rss: Sue me. |
| 18:53.53 | mjk64 | Can I grow my ext3 FS *online* (i.e. being mounted) without any further kernel patches (2.6.8) on Debian 3.1r0a using resize2fs? |
| 18:54.01 | greycat | mika_: unlikely. |
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| 18:54.07 | Phated | rss: Or get a trackball. Have fun. |
| 18:54.08 | sn00p_ | anybody know why my video wont use 800x600 85 hertz in debian in X? |
| 18:54.23 | greycat | sn00p_: less /var/log/X* |
| 18:54.23 | eeyore- | sn00p_: vertrefresh/horizsync |
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| 18:54.35 | MzOzD | hello |
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| 18:54.53 | sn00p_ | eeyore-: where do I find it |
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| 18:54.59 | wireddd | hello |
| 18:54.59 | MzOzD | are there any alternative debian repositories where i can find latest nmap for debian stable ? |
| 18:55.11 | rss | Anyway to shoo away the dock apps out of windowmaker's screen? |
| 18:55.13 | greycat | ok, that's two strikes. |
| 18:55.24 | stew | MzOzD: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:55.29 | greycat | LeEtCaSe nick, and nmap. |
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| 18:55.55 | MzOzD | stew: thanks |
| 18:56.00 | kazzil | man this guy is running that oxyaccelyn rich |
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| 18:56.11 | kazzil | why is it that no one knows how to adjust oxy-accetyln properly |
| 18:56.15 | fules67_ | hi |
| 18:56.23 | kazzil | guy must be running twice the oxygen he needs |
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| 18:56.50 | jim | kazzil: you mean -here-? we're linux users, not welders :) |
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| 18:57.01 | kazzil | the two are different? |
| 18:57.03 | greycat | or at least, we're debian users. |
| 18:57.08 | kazzil | ;) |
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| 18:57.22 | greycat | although I think even tarzeau uses linux on occasion ;-) |
| 18:57.35 | kazzil | i believe the better part of debian users are linux users |
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| 18:57.44 | kazzil | except those heathen ones running the bsd kernels |
| 18:57.55 | greycat | and hurd. |
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| 18:58.15 | jim | is that thing worth trying yet, performancewise? |
| 18:58.20 | greycat | not a clue |
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| 18:58.49 | tarzeau | jim: #gnu-kbsd try it! |
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| 18:59.07 | rss | jim: no! GNU/Linux users ;) |
| 18:59.14 | greycat | tarzeau: that's the placement for #debian-bsd? |
| 18:59.28 | tarzeau | greycat: i think it's fine here. |
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| 18:59.52 | tarzeau | greycat: and i use debian at work and home. mostly doing packages/system admin stuff, and playing with c/objective-c |
| 18:59.56 | jim | note that linux is capable of running with all non-gnu tools with the possible exception of gcc to build the kernel |
| 18:59.57 | nvz | alright well I guess the fugly useless xffm file manager is my big beef. but the whole thing is fugly and useless IMO Would maybe be well suited for people who want a low-fat desktop |
| 18:59.57 | rss | tarzeau, any way to disable dock apps and the clip from appearing on wmaker's screen? |
| 19:00.01 | tarzeau | greycat: but i've started looking into freebsd, seriously |
| 19:00.01 | kazzil | i fail to understand how you can just replace the kernel like that |
| 19:00.16 | tarzeau | greycat: i don't care, if it runs nethack ;) |
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| 19:00.22 | tarzeau | and emacs |
| 19:00.31 | rss | and jumpnbump |
| 19:00.32 | tarzeau | rss: remove them? |
| 19:00.34 | jim | you'd replace other things at core level too, I would imagine |
| 19:00.34 | rss | ;) |
| 19:00.38 | kazzil | i'll start using DragonFly in athoer 2-3 years |
| 19:00.41 | greycat | I'll forgive your emacs, because you're sane otherwise :) |
| 19:00.48 | kazzil | for servers and embedded |
| 19:00.49 | rss | tarzeau, default ones!? |
| 19:01.20 | greycat | hey, I bathe! |
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| 19:01.32 | jim | if she smells like brooke burke, I don't blame you a bit :) |
| 19:01.36 | tarzeau | haha |
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| 19:02.05 | By-Tor | I'm just sain, I'm a VI user myself. You can always tell, you know ;) |
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| 19:02.29 | fas3r | salut tout le monde |
| 19:02.32 | greycat | !fr |
| 19:02.32 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 19:02.47 | enerv | !pt |
| 19:02.47 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:02.53 | enerv | cool |
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| 19:03.14 | rss | !kn |
| 19:03.14 | dpkg | it has been said that kn is St Kitts |
| 19:03.22 | rss | Mummy! |
| 19:03.25 | mz_work | nvz: the latest xffm4.3.3 is a bit nicer |
| 19:03.35 | Coweater | thunar? |
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| 19:03.59 | mz_work | http://70.33.41.3:8888/?option=com_otf_gallery&album=/XFCE4/&picture=xffm4.3.3.jpg&fullsize=0 |
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| 19:04.06 | kazzil | xfce is slow |
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| 19:04.19 | mz_work | kazzil: slower than what? |
| 19:04.25 | kazzil | emelfm. ;) |
| 19:04.33 | kazzil | erm |
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| 19:04.41 | Coweater | yeah that's thunar, it's a huge difference compared to 4.2.2 |
| 19:04.42 | mika_ | nombre = 2 << 3 << 4 ; |
| 19:04.42 | kazzil | xffm <=> emelfm |
| 19:04.58 | csmiller | is there any reason why kdeedu is a dependant of kde, rather than recommends? other than "apt-get install kde" will install all of kde? |
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| 19:05.00 | kazzil | ah, xfce is slower than metacity |
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| 19:05.04 | greycat | mika_: left shift, probably. |
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| 19:05.11 | ferth | whats the best PDA on the market? |
| 19:05.11 | cheal | csmiller: no |
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| 19:05.18 | kazzil | !best |
| 19:05.18 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:05.19 | Coweater | kazzil: you're comparing a de and a wm |
| 19:05.35 | cheal | csmiller: except that it's a dependency, not a dependant |
| 19:05.46 | stew | ferth: thinkpad x42, although its a little bulkier than some other pda's its very full featured |
| 19:05.46 | csmiller | cheal - is there any way to just remove kdeedu and its depedancys? |
| 19:05.51 | kazzil | at least i'm no comapring a de and a file manager. i'd say im about 400% improved |
| 19:06.04 | Coweater | true |
| 19:06.05 | scx | someone knows what norwish word: "brukernavn" means ??? |
| 19:06.06 | kazzil | my favorite pda is a fujitsu p1510 |
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| 19:06.15 | kazzil | its about hafl the size of a laptop and awsome |
| 19:06.17 | ferth | has a built in phone? |
| 19:06.17 | scx | (someone from norway) |
| 19:06.22 | greycat | norwish? |
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| 19:06.29 | nvz | heh |
| 19:06.30 | By-Tor | I don't use a PDA, I use a PAA |
| 19:06.39 | kazzil | what does pda stand for |
| 19:06.40 | nvz | !yinzersmite scx |
| 19:06.47 | jim | By-Tor: pencil/pen? |
| 19:06.54 | rss | By-Tor, what is A in PAA? |
| 19:06.55 | nvz | kazzil: personal digital assistant |
| 19:06.58 | cheal | csmiller: kdeedu depends (indirectly) on essential stuff. but you can remove kdeedu and whatever packages it directly depends on you don't want |
| 19:06.59 | csmiller | Personnal Data Assistant |
| 19:07.01 | kazzil | analog |
| 19:07.02 | rss | Analog? |
| 19:07.04 | By-Tor | jim: Personal Analouge Assistant |
| 19:07.05 | eeyore- | digital |
| 19:07.10 | ferth | stew havent seen that one |
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| 19:07.13 | ferth | has a built in phone? |
| 19:07.14 | By-Tor | jim: Pen/Paper ;) |
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| 19:07.19 | InitMass | which music player are you guys using? |
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| 19:07.25 | jim | would that be a girlfriend used as secretary? :) |
| 19:07.26 | csmiller | cheal apt-get remove kdeedu tries to remove kde |
| 19:07.26 | By-Tor | InitMass: mplayer |
| 19:07.28 | kazzil | the new fujitsu loox pda are going to WHALLOP |
| 19:07.32 | tarzeau | madplay, opencubicplayer, xmms |
| 19:07.33 | kazzil | vga, gps |
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| 19:07.35 | cheal | csmiller: that's normal |
| 19:07.37 | kazzil | thats everythign i want |
| 19:07.38 | csmiller | jim - a filofax most likely |
| 19:07.41 | kazzil | the mad-ritz one has wifi too |
| 19:07.46 | rss | InitMass: Gramophone manufactured by Edison Electric. |
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| 19:07.53 | kazzil | actually i want VGA OLED that runs linux |
| 19:07.55 | kazzil | then i'm set |
| 19:08.19 | oskie | not to forget, beep-media-player |
| 19:08.25 | jim | old? oiled? |
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| 19:08.36 | InitMass | tarzeau, that was many |
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| 19:08.47 | InitMass | By-Tor, i think it's a bit too limited for my needs |
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| 19:08.54 | andpoi | Hello |
| 19:08.57 | greycat | OLED is apparently some sort of newfangled LED |
| 19:08.59 | andpoi | Does anyone here use Point2Play? |
| 19:09.02 | andpoi | or cedega? |
| 19:09.02 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 19:09.03 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 19:09.07 | kazzil | i used to use beep |
| 19:09.13 | tarzeau | InitMass: madplay i use with |rl (randomize-lines and find). opencubicplayer can play any audio format |
| 19:09.13 | csmiller | bmp is a xmms fork. It also the eq to work on oggs, but tends to stop playing for no apprent reason when you are doing other things |
| 19:09.31 | andpoi | resiak, I doubt 2 people in here use it |
| 19:09.36 | kazzil | OLED is badass, its just LED's on top of a glass layer. everything we've got so far uses a backlight and a transmissive display. not OLEDs |
| 19:09.44 | windowlicker | i use cedega :) |
| 19:09.50 | jim | andpoi: that's not a smart question, because it has no information... /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 19:09.53 | resiak | andpoi: Do you have a question? If so, ask. If not, why did you come here? |
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| 19:09.58 | klync | playing around in dselect, and I've got a conflict resolution screen, that I can't get out of, but I don't see any conflict, what gives? |
| 19:09.59 | andpoi | I did have a question |
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| 19:10.03 | kazzil | whats wrong with xmms? |
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| 19:10.09 | andpoi | wanted to know if anyone uses Point2Play? |
| 19:10.10 | resiak | So .... why did you not ask it yet? |
| 19:10.15 | resiak | Yes, someone does |
| 19:10.15 | greycat | andpoi: no. |
| 19:10.21 | greycat | resiak lies! |
| 19:10.21 | andpoi | Who does? |
| 19:10.23 | jim | maybe |
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| 19:10.25 | andpoi | besides Windowlicker |
| 19:10.25 | csmiller | the eq doesn't work with oggs? it uses a old version of gtk? |
| 19:10.26 | kazzil | zinf is pretty sweet for a media player. i do all my shoutcast stuff on zinf |
| 19:10.29 | andpoi | because I already talked to him |
| 19:10.31 | jim | !polls |
| 19:10.31 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:10.33 | resiak | andpoi: Why are you asking? |
| 19:10.43 | andpoi | because I wanted to know about the subscription |
| 19:10.45 | resiak | ... |
| 19:10.48 | resiak | #cedega ! |
| 19:10.51 | greycat | andpoi: it's not on topic here. |
| 19:10.53 | andpoi | do you get to keep the software when your membership gets out? |
| 19:10.55 | jim | !smart questions |
| 19:10.55 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 19:11.01 | resiak | andpoi: Why not READ THEIR FAQ |
| 19:11.02 | greycat | andpoi: we don't care, and we don't know. |
| 19:11.03 | csmiller | where does the package-popularity info go? |
| 19:11.08 | greycat | csmiller: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 19:11.12 | andpoi | thx resiak |
| 19:11.18 | resiak | ... |
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| 19:11.35 | resiak | ... |
| 19:11.47 | greycat | why didn't he just go to #cedega? |
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| 19:11.53 | resiak | greycat: Because he's a fucktard! |
| 19:11.57 | greycat | point. |
| 19:12.03 | jbroome | greycat: that kind of logic will not be tolerated on IRC |
| 19:12.11 | nipra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:12.26 | greycat | nipra: figure out which module did it, and blacklist it. and pray. |
| 19:12.29 | resiak | nipra: Do we get to guess what platform? |
| 19:12.45 | resiak | nipra: Oh wait, you compiled your own? |
| 19:12.48 | greycat | and i810_audio as the culprit |
| 19:12.54 | nipra | x86 |
| 19:12.56 | jim | well if by that you mean he doesn't listen when suggestions are made which would allow him to get better help, I'll agree... I don't like the word fucktard tho. |
| 19:13.01 | ferth | i think the tre \o has more features stew |
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| 19:13.04 | deepan | can i search for two strings in a file using grep.. something like $grep "string1||string2" myfile |
| 19:13.14 | greycat | nipra: does the standard debian kernel have the same problem? |
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| 19:13.21 | greycat | deepan: egrep 'foo|bar' |
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| 19:13.24 | nipra | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.29 | resiak | nipra: Why? |
| 19:13.51 | csmiller | deepan - yes grep -E "string1.*string2" will find all files with string1 & string2 on the same line |
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| 19:13.56 | deepan | greycat: thanks |
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| 19:14.16 | stouset | Bleh. Is s.d.o down? |
| 19:14.26 | greycat | stouset: just overloaded |
| 19:14.29 | nipra | resiak:i was not getting any sound on 2.4.27 |
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| 19:14.39 | greycat | nipra: there are PRECOMPILED 2.6.8 kernels. |
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| 19:14.46 | resiak | nipra: Why did you not just install a kernel image? |
| 19:14.51 | tarzeau | security in sid > s.d.o ;) |
| 19:15.02 | stouset | greycat: Well stop using it then. Geez :P |
| 19:15.05 | EdgEy | blah i have no idea where to ask this so, i'll ask here since 748 people means there's a large chance someone will be able to help |
| 19:15.17 | EdgEy | does anyone with a domainsite domain have email forwarding working? |
| 19:15.21 | stouset | greycat: Seriously, though, why's it overloaded? Lots of security updates, or what? |
| 19:15.29 | greycat | stouset: xfree86 update. |
| 19:15.31 | resiak | EdgEy: DomainSite's forums. |
| 19:15.40 | stouset | greycat: Ah, yipe. |
| 19:15.45 | cheal | stouset: see d-security-announce |
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| 19:15.50 | greycat | and DWN |
| 19:15.59 | nipra | greycat:source plz? |
| 19:16.00 | rss | what is a "domainsite domain"? |
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| 19:16.12 | greycat | nipra: please don't be stupid. |
| 19:16.13 | EdgEy | a domain from domainsite.com |
| 19:16.14 | EdgEy | heh |
| 19:16.15 | resiak | nipra: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 19:16.15 | cheal | DWN isn't issue on www.d.o |
| 19:16.18 | cheal | issued |
| 19:16.33 | csmiller | is there any reason why security.debian.org isn't moved to one of the mirrors? |
| 19:16.34 | resiak | EdgEy: The right place DomainSite's support forums. Go there. HTH HAND. |
| 19:16.46 | EdgEy | resiak, i don't think there are any forums. |
| 19:16.47 | csmiller | 100Mbit/sec isn't that fast if there's a lot of packages |
| 19:16.50 | rss | does not dpkg have any wise words for EdgEy ? |
| 19:16.52 | resiak | EdgEy: How about a contact email for them? |
| 19:16.58 | nipra | resiak:ok |
| 19:16.59 | resiak | EdgEy: Anyway, here is not the place. |
| 19:17.01 | cheal | csmiller: organizational issues. "debianocracy" |
| 19:17.02 | EdgEy | ok. :) |
| 19:17.06 | jim | EdgEy: perhaps you could find out :) |
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| 19:17.47 | EdgEy | none visible on their site :P anyway i'll have a look on my own, been struggling with this problem for nearly a year |
| 19:17.54 | greycat | cheal: debocrats. |
| 19:17.56 | cheal | csmiller: I mean technical issues that should be easy to solve but need the action of very few people |
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| 19:18.04 | cheal | greycat: ah, didn't know that one |
| 19:18.08 | resiak | EdgEy: Maybe their suppport is shit then, and you should find another DNS provider. |
| 19:18.11 | csmiller | edgey - the packages will contain the upstream contact info |
| 19:18.12 | greycat | I didn't either. |
| 19:18.15 | cheal | so, debocracy, I guess |
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| 19:18.32 | EdgEy | resiak, heh |
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| 19:18.44 | resiak | EdgEy: I am, of course, 100% serious. |
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| 19:18.50 | jim | as part of everything you're doing to research your issue... oh, wait, you're asking here, so "everything you're doing" is nothing :) |
| 19:18.55 | csmiller | cheal - thanks |
| 19:18.55 | jbroome | as opposed to openbsd which is a THEOracry. :) |
| 19:19.03 | cheal | csmiller: if you didn't know yet, the main guy that manages DWN also does about all security update, *and* is stable's manager |
| 19:19.05 | csmiller | lol |
| 19:19.08 | EdgEy | resiak, it was free for the first year, and now £4 a year, this is the only problem i've had with them so far. |
| 19:19.36 | greycat | jbroome: thou dost not like Theo? Burn! |
| 19:19.39 | klync | k, I've got an unresolvable conflict with libxml2 / libxml2-dev ... anyone familiar with this, or want to hear more to help resolve it? I am (shamefully) mixing stable and unstable pkgs |
| 19:19.41 | cheal | csmiller: basically, if that guy should disappear, things would be hard for a while |
| 19:19.44 | csmiller | cheal - I knew s.d.o was a one-man band |
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| 19:20.16 | jbroome | greycat: i have no problems with theo. that just seems to be the web-at-larges opinion |
| 19:20.21 | sn00p_ | anybody know why my video wont use 800x600 85 hertz in debian in X? |
| 19:20.22 | greycat | jbroome: I was joking. |
| 19:20.34 | greycat | sn00p_: no, we don't. what did the log say? |
| 19:20.37 | cheal | sn00p_: did you configure X to use that? |
| 19:20.37 | sn00p_ | anyway i can upgrade the xfree86 video driver? |
| 19:20.46 | greycat | sn00p_: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 19:20.47 | jbroome | greycat: :) |
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| 19:21.09 | csmiller | snoop_ we need more info, such as the card make/model |
| 19:21.26 | sn00p_ | its a nvdia geforce 2 |
| 19:21.33 | dotCOMmie | cheal: you around |
| 19:21.35 | greycat | sn00p_: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:21.43 | Draal | What is the apt-get command to pull down mplayer? What about mp3/mpeg/etc codec support? |
| 19:21.43 | cheal | dotCOMmie: looks like that |
| 19:21.50 | greycat | Draal: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:22.01 | dotCOMmie | cheal: mind if I pm you? |
| 19:22.07 | greycat | !marillat++ |
| 19:22.12 | cheal | dotCOMmie: is it personal? |
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| 19:22.22 | rss | who is the person here, who used to log in from Afghanistan, working for US Army? he used to be a regular... |
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| 19:22.56 | dotCOMmie | cheal: in regard to the package dependency I'm having (from couple of says ago) |
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| 19:23.17 | jim | a regular what? |
| 19:23.32 | greycat | a regular loonie, obviously, as he was *here*. |
| 19:23.40 | cheal | dotCOMmie: I don't remember anything about that problem. ask on channel, I'll tell you if it's better to pm me |
| 19:23.41 | jim | oh :) |
| 19:23.45 | rss | a regular visitor to #debian |
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| 19:24.14 | jim | there are no regular visitors to #debian! we're all cracked! |
| 19:24.42 | greycat | we're all regular, just not "normal". |
| 19:24.55 | greycat | well, except for that constipated guy over there |
| 19:24.56 | ircops | cracked out maybe |
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| 19:24.58 | ircops | hehehe |
| 19:25.11 | kazzil | wow xffm really is /butt ass ugly/ |
| 19:25.35 | jim | kazzil: you have the source... |
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| 19:26.13 | ircops | *toke* |
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| 19:26.21 | jim | but otoh, if you keep looking at its butt ass, you'll probably keep thinking it's ugly :) |
| 19:26.23 | yacoob | Hi kids :) |
| 19:26.25 | finn | I CANT FEEL MY ARMS ANYMORE |
| 19:26.30 | ircops | yacoob: hello there :) |
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| 19:26.32 | yacoob | is sarge capable of installing itself on sata disk? |
| 19:26.47 | mjk64 | finn: stop wanking then |
| 19:26.47 | dotCOMmie | Ok here is my porblem I'm having a predend loop. With sysvinit and some other packages. I want to break this loop with the Force-LoopBreak option. but I want to know that doing this is SAFE |
| 19:26.47 | stew | yacoob: yes, use the linux26 boot option |
| 19:26.49 | mjk64 | ;-) |
| 19:26.50 | jim | yacoob: maybe with non-official installer |
| 19:27.01 | greycat | depends on the SATA controller |
| 19:27.05 | yacoob | stew: I did, but still - it doesn't seem to grok it :>> |
| 19:27.08 | Skaja | how do i get windows to boot first over linux in grub |
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| 19:27.17 | yacoob | and problem is, I do not know the chipset. Lemme google it... |
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| 19:27.40 | kazzil | i have no need to play with xffm, to fix every single proggie out there. emelfm works fine |
| 19:27.40 | tarzeau | Skaja: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:27.43 | kazzil | and is soooooooo fscking fast |
| 19:27.49 | stew | Skaja: change "default" in menu.lst |
| 19:27.53 | lama_ | hi, how name was package with less program? |
| 19:27.53 | kazzil | i'd have to fix gtk to fix xffm. ;) |
| 19:28.14 | jim | lama_: less |
| 19:28.15 | lama_ | i don't find 'less' command on my system :/ |
| 19:28.23 | kazzil | apt-get install less |
| 19:28.24 | jim | (surprising isn't it :) |
| 19:28.29 | dotCOMmie | when I simulate this action I get the following output http://channels.debian.net/paste/753 |
| 19:28.30 | lama_ | jim: no, i check this, it's not working |
| 19:28.34 | greycat | lama_: wrong. |
| 19:28.36 | jim | why? |
| 19:28.39 | yacoob | jim: ha! you won't find it, I'm too stealthy for this! :D |
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| 19:28.53 | whitehorse1 | kazzil: welll you could tweak it via kde so gtk apps use a qt frontend or your kde theme (presumably other desktop have similar capabilities) ;p |
| 19:29.00 | stew | lama_: what error do you get when you apt-get install less? |
| 19:29.25 | Draal | Greycat: I'm in the apt-get directory listing right now and I can't seem to find it |
| 19:29.35 | yacoob | sigh. Gotta fetch some livecd, debian install cd doesn't have lspci. |
| 19:29.57 | stew | Draal: did you add marillat to your sources? |
| 19:29.58 | greycat | Draal: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:30.16 | greycat | skipping the "/msg dpkg mplayer" step and just looking in apt is NOT an acceptable alternative. |
| 19:30.48 | jim | but less is in main... so we never figured out lama_'s problem |
| 19:30.49 | Draal | I'm using the DVDs |
| 19:30.59 | greycat | jim: can't do much until it returns |
| 19:31.03 | Draal | Thought it should be in there.. |
| 19:31.07 | ircops | Draal: it's not on the dvds |
| 19:31.16 | greycat | Draal: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:31.22 | ircops | Draal: or any other official debian source |
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| 19:31.27 | yacoob | gah, ubuntu kernel worked it out. Now, to see what's the chipset... |
| 19:31.32 | Draal | ircops: Oh.. Non-free? |
| 19:31.36 | greycat | Draal: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:31.37 | jim | marillat is not in any official debian media |
| 19:31.38 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:31.43 | ircops | Draal: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:31.50 | Draal | Thank you |
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| 19:32.01 | fbi | 5 times a charm. |
| 19:32.05 | ircops | hahaha |
| 19:32.23 | Draal | "coughconsideringitdidnthelpmeatallcough" |
| 19:32.30 | fbi | maybe the server he is on is lagging a little </doubtful> |
| 19:32.31 | whitehorse1 | I'll ask a question I think. 8) For years I've used shift-del (cut) and Shift-insert (paste) as a quick/preferred version of ctrl-x/c & ctrl-v. SADLY, Debian~Linux/KDE doesn't let me do this and I've been crawling over the options trying to work out how do allow it. Help? remapping alt/win keys=easy but this has me stumped. |
| 19:32.33 | jim | yacoob: does ubuntu use unmodified kernel-package to build its kernels distributed? |
| 19:32.34 | ircops | fbi: doesn't seem to work for me |
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| 19:32.42 | fbi | er? heh |
| 19:32.45 | greycat | ircops: let me know how that works out for you. |
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| 19:33.10 | jjazz | ircops: It helps if you say it in a whiney voice. |
| 19:33.16 | yacoob | jim: good question, but I don't have the answer. |
| 19:33.24 | greycat | whitehorse1: ask #debian-kde or #kde |
| 19:33.30 | chete | #debian-es |
| 19:33.32 | ircops | ed=end |
| 19:33.36 | chete | #debian es |
| 19:33.38 | whitehorse1 | greycat Isn't it a global thang though? |
| 19:33.46 | greycat | whitehorse1: no, it's application dependent |
| 19:33.49 | chete | debiane spañol |
| 19:33.54 | whitehorse1 | greycat: Ah ok ty. will do |
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| 19:33.56 | streuner | !es |
| 19:33.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:34.00 | greycat | whitehorse1: the only "global" cut-and-paste in linux/X is the mouse button method |
| 19:34.06 | jjazz | greycat: Is that something one could accomplish with xmodmap? |
| 19:34.09 | greycat | and even *that* is actually application specific |
| 19:34.12 | j4cbo | i'm trying to get 2.6 on my new system, and it's not booting... sata hard drive, nforce4 ultra |
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| 19:34.27 | greycat | jjazz: I don't think so, but I'd be willing to admit being wrong if you find it. |
| 19:34.31 | j4cbo | 2.6 doesn't detect the sata at all, 2.4 does |
| 19:34.37 | j4cbo | what am i missing? |
| 19:34.41 | jim | interesting |
| 19:34.42 | greycat | !worked in 2.4 |
| 19:34.42 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 19:34.56 | jjazz | greycat: I'm not motivated. |
| 19:35.10 | j4cbo | ok, sata worked out-of-the-box with 2.6, it did in 2.4, is that better? |
| 19:35.17 | j4cbo | i'd rather not build my own kernel here :) |
| 19:35.43 | greycat | if it works in 2.4, why not simply use 2.4? |
| 19:35.59 | yacoob | greycat: using 2.4 is uncool. |
| 19:35.59 | Gathond | greycat: its not new and shiny :) |
| 19:36.00 | j4cbo | desktop performance, gaming (nvidia), etc |
| 19:36.02 | yacoob | 8) |
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| 19:36.14 | greycat | what's nvidia got to do wqith it? |
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| 19:36.19 | jim | j4cbo: maybe a later-than-2.6.8 kernel (which isn't part of released sarge but you can still get it from not-sarge), like 2.6.11 or later |
| 19:36.20 | lab1 | hi |
| 19:36.22 | whitehorse1 | greycat: Then no-one will let him sit at their lunch table at a Linux/Debian-con! :-( |
| 19:36.25 | j4cbo | i also tried adding sata_nv to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and building a custom initrd, but that gives me a loop of "could not find /lib/modules/2.blah/modules.dep |
| 19:36.38 | j4cbo | on boot |
| 19:36.54 | greycat | whitehorse1: oh, I'd better not let anyone see my sarge boxes with 2.2.x then! |
| 19:36.55 | lab1 | can anyone help me with vlc, it pops up every 2 seconds with "Hardware YUV directx output" |
| 19:37.00 | yacoob | now *this* is funny |
| 19:37.15 | whitehorse1 | jim: You have to use a much later kernel (2.6.11/12 I mean) if using hotplug/udev. Grr and grrrr. 8) |
| 19:37.30 | greycat | whitehorse1: they're in etch. |
| 19:37.32 | yacoob | ubuntu live cd complains that 'No common CD-ROM drive was detected'. Heck, man, where did you boot from? 8))) |
| 19:37.36 | yacoob | go, ubuntu, go!! |
| 19:37.39 | yacoob | (go away) |
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| 19:37.49 | greycat | yacoob: not as uncommon as you might think. |
| 19:37.56 | greycat | the BIOS can see the CD, but the linux kernel can't. |
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| 19:38.12 | yacoob | greycat: I do understand, yet, the message is funny :D |
| 19:38.22 | whitehorse1 | Might be a firmware upgrade for it; likely cdrom module tho |
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| 19:38.34 | greycat | or an IDE controller module |
| 19:38.35 | yacoob | (not mentioning that install cd did managed to see the cd drive :) |
| 19:38.43 | j4cbo | are there going to be new kernels in sid soon? |
| 19:38.49 | greycat | !wir |
| 19:38.49 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 19:38.53 | stew | j4cbo: no /msg dpkg 2.6.13 |
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| 19:39.07 | cheal | j4cbo: depends what soon means for you |
| 19:39.11 | lab1 | !SIYH |
| 19:39.11 | dpkg | siyh is probably Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 19:39.16 | greycat | YAY! devfs is finally GONE! |
| 19:39.19 | lab1 | !rsn |
| 19:39.19 | dpkg | rsn is probably Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 19:39.21 | stew | i doubt he's going to be able to help |
| 19:39.26 | greycat | !mourn devfs (NOT!) |
| 19:39.46 | stew | wierd that dpkg stripped the () there |
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| 19:39.54 | j4cbo | my c is way rusty :) |
| 19:40.01 | greycat | yes, it does that because of a collision with the (a|b) syntax |
| 19:40.16 | greycat | !mourn (bill gates|bill joy) |
| 19:40.23 | stew | ahh |
| 19:40.28 | adamt | hi! what's easiest way to get lighttpd running on debian? |
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| 19:40.41 | adamt | debian etch to be more precise. |
| 19:40.43 | csmiller | is there a graphical deb depedancy tool/website? |
| 19:40.54 | greycat | adamt: is it packaged? |
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| 19:41.05 | dondelelcaro | csmiller: there are tools in devscripts to produce dotty graphs |
| 19:41.10 | kazzil | Its still just RMS who insists that its GNU/Linux right? I mean, sure, we're built on GNU, but so is every BSD & everyone else |
| 19:41.12 | adamt | greycat: can't find it by searching the repos =) |
| 19:41.20 | greycat | adamt: then build the upstream source and install into /usr/local |
| 19:41.34 | yacoob | kazzil: well, it's not that simple... |
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| 19:41.55 | csmiller | and Perl/Python/Ruby/X/(Qt|Gtk)/.... |
| 19:42.01 | adamt | greycat: nobody made some dpkg'es ? :( |
| 19:42.36 | madradrone | stew: ? |
| 19:42.37 | greycat | adamt: I wouldn't know. Never heard of it. |
| 19:42.40 | dondelelcaro | csmiller: sorry, not devscripts; apt-rdepends |
| 19:42.53 | stew | madradrone: ? |
| 19:43.17 | whitehorse1 | greycat: debian-kde is utterly utterly silent |
| 19:43.24 | madradrone | stew: thanks. gcc-4.0_4.0.1-6 fixed the problem |
| 19:43.44 | whitehorse1 | greycat: not that I hold you personally responsible of course |
| 19:44.00 | stew | madradrone: you're welcome |
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| 19:45.28 | mlewis00 | I've just performed a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch. Everything seems OK except that x-window-system-core is on hold and I don't understand why. Any attempts to resolve the problem result in the system wanting to remove the package... |
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| 19:45.45 | adamt | mlewis00: xfree vs xorg |
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| 19:45.47 | adamt | i think |
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| 19:45.52 | greycat | mlewis00: try installing xserver-xorg |
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| 19:45.55 | yacoob | sigh |
| 19:46.07 | yacoob | this is most inconvenient |
| 19:46.23 | csmiller | mlewis00 - does apt-show-versions list anything that's not uptodate? (it's an optional package) |
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| 19:47.25 | mlewis00 | csmiller: Haven't tried that...I'll check...BRB, thanks. |
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| 19:47.41 | mjk64 | Where can I find ext2online? dpkg (the bot) claims it's part of ext2resize, but there doesn't seem to be such a package ("aptitude show ext2resize" says "State: not a real package"). I have stable and testing in my sources.list. |
| 19:47.46 | csmiller | mlewis00 - on second thoughts this might have something to do with the xfree/xorg transition |
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| 19:48.12 | greycat | !find e2resize |
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| 19:48.28 | mjk64 | !find ext2resize |
| 19:48.30 | fbi | stable AND testing ?? |
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| 19:48.35 | dpkg | ext2resize: (an ext2 filesystem resizer), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.1.19-3 (sid), Packaged size: 200 kB, Installed size: 448 kB |
| 19:48.37 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'e2resize' returned no results. |
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| 19:49.00 | greycat | !find ext2resize sarge |
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| 19:49.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ext2resize' returned no results. |
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| 19:49.21 | greycat | !find e2resize sarge |
| 19:49.26 | mlewis00 | csmiller: I figured that (as greycat and adamnt suggested) but wanted to see if someone else could verify that the package is also on hold on their system. |
| 19:49.28 | gloin | eh, where can I find md5sums for the ISO images? |
| 19:49.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'e2resize' returned no results. |
| 19:49.35 | greycat | hrm. |
| 19:49.46 | mjk64 | greycat: Damn ... so that's only in unstable, right? |
| 19:49.47 | greycat | maybe it was removed from sarge prior to release due to RC bugs? |
| 19:49.52 | aarkerio | how can I change my keyboard layout? (not Xserver keyboard) |
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| 19:49.59 | greycat | aarkerio: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 19:50.04 | csmiller | mlewis - I'n on stable, so I can't help you there |
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| 19:50.27 | Gnea | hrm, this new firefox bug looks bad |
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| 19:50.32 | mjk64 | greycat: Hmf ... now I have a logical volume with only half of it occupied because I thought I could easily use ext2online to resize it *online* ... :-/ |
| 19:50.44 | Gnea | granted, i read /. once every 20 days or so |
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| 19:50.52 | mlewis00 | csmiller: I'm running etch (upgraded from stable)... |
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| 19:51.05 | yacoob | Gnea: which one? |
| 19:51.06 | csmiller | mjk64, greycat is parted still maintained? |
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| 19:51.09 | Anthro | mjk64: You can make it bigger online, not smaller. |
| 19:51.20 | mjk64 | csmiller: dunno, sorry |
| 19:51.29 | csmiller | ah. didn't noticed the online bit. |
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| 19:52.15 | gloin | here come the bots again |
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| 19:52.18 | whitehorse1 | Gnea: Apparently yeah & only affects *nix. Heh. It's annoying that Sarge only has Firefox v1.0.4 in its repositories, as an aside. I'm used to version 1.05/6 when I dual-boot into Win |
| 19:52.22 | gloin | falling on my head like a melody |
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| 19:52.31 | yacoob | irony |
| 19:52.32 | gloin | whitehorse1: are you talking about the shell vuln? |
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| 19:52.48 | abrotman | whitehorse1: the one in sarge is 1.0.6(with the version string changed) iirc |
| 19:52.48 | yacoob | ubuntu, which is able to grok the sata disc is unable to mount cdrom |
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| 19:52.55 | Gnea | yacoob: the remote code released after 1.0.7 was |
| 19:53.03 | yacoob | debian, which is able to mount cdrom, doesn't grok sata |
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| 19:53.17 | yacoob | (neither of them have lspci, so I can get a hook with googling) |
| 19:53.20 | yacoob | the horror! |
| 19:53.25 | greycat | whitehorse1: DSAs for huge things like firefox take some time. |
| 19:53.33 | yacoob | ....help? :) |
| 19:53.34 | gloin | oh jeez |
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| 19:53.57 | Gnea | whitehorse1: konqueror has a gecko backend plugin |
| 19:53.58 | gloin | greycat: one hopes the security.debian being overwhelmed by desktop packages issue will be resolved before the DSA is done |
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| 19:54.11 | greycat | gloin: it's gonna be fun.... |
| 19:54.18 | csmiller | DSA-816 was bad enough |
| 19:54.18 | gloin | greycat: not really =-[ |
| 19:54.18 | stew | greycat: does mosex allow you to use vim to edit the contents of a text-area in a form? |
| 19:54.22 | gloin | yeah, god |
| 19:54.24 | Gnea | s.d.o needs some redundancy |
| 19:54.24 | gloin | friggin xfree |
| 19:54.25 | greycat | stew: yes. |
| 19:54.26 | mischko | Is there a email list I can be on so I know when say the latest python beta is made into a package? |
| 19:54.27 | greycat | !mozex |
| 19:54.28 | dpkg | mozex is probably the mozilla/firefox extension that makes the browser usable instead of shit. the official version is not updated for firefox 0.9+ but there's an unofficial update at http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=70 |
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| 19:54.40 | fmarostica | hello |
| 19:54.45 | stew | greycat: thats something that seems to be missing from the launchy thing |
| 19:54.55 | abrotman | stew: TMI! |
| 19:54.56 | fmarostica | I installed debian sarge on Pentium MMX 233MHz with 32 MB RAM |
| 19:55.01 | gloin | greycat: part of the problem with s.d.o. is that it's a dual p3 |
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| 19:55.03 | gloin | aged |
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| 19:55.16 | fmarostica | but, when i try apt-get update, i received ERROR MSG MMAP Ran out of ROM |
| 19:55.16 | gloin | and also the fact that there's only one box on one pipe |
| 19:55.19 | abrotman | gloin: it's not the CPU of the machine that's the problem |
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| 19:55.23 | gloin | ^^ |
| 19:55.26 | abrotman | or the RAM |
| 19:55.27 | greycat | prefs.js:user_pref("mozex.command.textarea", "rxvt -e vim %t"); |
| 19:55.28 | abrotman | or the disk |
| 19:55.31 | abrotman | just the damn pipe |
| 19:55.33 | gloin | abrotman: the pipe |
| 19:55.36 | gloin | which |
| 19:55.37 | gloin | well |
| 19:55.38 | greycat | !launchy |
| 19:55.38 | dpkg | well, launchy is a firefox extension that wants to be mozex when it grows up, but it can't edit textareas, and it has NO documentation for the launchy.xml file. |
| 19:55.38 | csmiller | woody + kde was just about usable on PIIMMX 233MHz with 386MByte, IMHO |
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| 19:55.51 | gloin | I had a good discussion with a friend of mine about that last gnarly DSA (the xfree one) |
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| 19:55.53 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 19:55.53 | dpkg | i heard dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 19:55.59 | abrotman | fmarostica: ^^ |
| 19:56.07 | greycat | !mosex is stew's freudian misspelling of mozex |
| 19:56.07 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 19:56.20 | gloin | my suggestion was splitting s.d.o. into core.security and desktop.security |
| 19:56.29 | gloin | he felt like it'd be hard as hell to split them up |
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| 19:56.41 | yacoob | which rescuecd is most complete with drivers? |
| 19:56.43 | greycat | gloin: how about a simple round robin? |
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| 19:56.56 | ma3x | hey |
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| 19:57.02 | mischko | Is there a email list I can be on so I know when say the latest python beta is made into a package? |
| 19:57.04 | ma3x | how can I learn printing under linux when I don't have a printer |
| 19:57.09 | cheal | gloin: "core" and "desktop"? haha |
| 19:57.12 | stew | greycat: haha |
| 19:57.13 | ma3x | I mean I can't practice it |
| 19:57.14 | gloin | greycat: round robin is probably the way to go. Why hasn't it been implimented? |
| 19:57.18 | gloin | cheal: haha? |
| 19:57.19 | greycat | ma3x: buy one. |
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| 19:57.25 | greycat | gloin: no idea. |
| 19:57.34 | cheal | gloin: you're welcome to tag the desktop packages |
| 19:57.36 | ma3x | greycat, it costs probably $50 or more |
| 19:57.37 | whitehorse1 | yacoob: Allegedly Knoppix. Though I've never used it; it's just the one I hear mentioned most often |
| 19:57.42 | greycat | ma3x: uh.... and? |
| 19:57.42 | gloin | cheal: exactly =-[ |
| 19:57.43 | mischko | ma3x, get a printer. |
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| 19:57.46 | gloin | brb |
| 19:57.50 | csmiller | mischko if there is a bug for it, CC yourself on it. |
| 19:57.54 | yacoob | whitehorse1: quite big, as for rescuecd I'd say :) |
| 19:58.06 | ma3x | greycat, it's too much, and not just for the money, but it's gonna take extra space |
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| 19:58.10 | mischko | csmiller, k. I'll check. |
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| 19:58.17 | csmiller | mischko there is prob. a packages email list, butI don't know for sure |
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| 19:58.22 | greycat | ma3x: here's a counterproposal: don't "learn" printing. |
| 19:58.27 | whitehorse1 | yacoob: The LiveCD. But still, yes - big |
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| 19:58.38 | greycat | become an environmentalist and convert the world to paperlessness. |
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| 19:59.20 | RichoDemu | I have a very weird problem, I installed the current dist of debian using the method that aquires the data from the internet during the installation and during boot, my laptop |
| 19:59.24 | Draal | Howdy.. Just got done with installing Debian from DVD sources. In aptitude I selected and installed the XFCE interface, but it boots to the command prompt. How do I enable XFCE? |
| 19:59.31 | RichoDemu | suddently starts to constantly beep |
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| 19:59.40 | csmiller | gloin be thank full. It takes my MSSucks box at work 1 week to get its updates |
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| 19:59.57 | fbi | Draal: startxfce4 |
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| 20:00.14 | Draal | And then how do I enable it by default? |
| 20:00.28 | fbi | ? |
| 20:00.28 | Draal | Erm.. Make it the default manager to pop up when Debian boots |
| 20:00.30 | fbi | you mean you want a graphical login? |
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| 20:01.10 | ma3x | why LPI doesn't include certificate for debian? |
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| 20:01.28 | ma3x | just for suse, turbolinux (uh, whats that) |
| 20:01.29 | greycat | because "certificates" are toilet paper |
| 20:01.38 | greycat | turbolinux was big in asia a few years back |
| 20:02.05 | nvz | Draal: install a display manager xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm..etc |
| 20:02.10 | yacoob | Sigh. |
| 20:02.16 | nvz | I dont know why that didnt send the first time I typed it |
| 20:02.18 | yacoob | where can I find kernel config used for sarge's kernel? |
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| 20:02.29 | greycat | !config-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:02.29 | dpkg | i guess config-2.4.27-2-386 is http://wooledge.org/~greg/config-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:02.39 | greycat | !config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:02.44 | whitehorse1 | csmiller: One WEEK? Does it run a 2400bps Hayes serial modem? |
| 20:02.45 | teclo | Hello, at says "Cannot open lockfile /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ: Permission denied" ... but I don't wanna set all /var/spool to rwxrwxrwx... any idea ? |
| 20:02.49 | greycat | guess who's 2.4 biased? |
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| 20:03.05 | csmiller | draal - xdm is the lightest login manager |
| 20:03.06 | whitehorse1 | csmiller: Which only works two minutes of every hour |
| 20:03.11 | ma3x | greycat, certificates can help you when applying for a job |
| 20:03.14 | greycat | teclo: how did you manage to break your system's permissions? |
| 20:03.31 | hogmeat | any recommendations on a super-light weight graphic browser for debian? |
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| 20:03.37 | teclo | greycat: well I just used apt-get |
| 20:03.39 | greycat | ma3x: if you apply for a job working for shaved monkeys, .... oh wait. you're right. 99% of all managers are shaved monkeys. |
| 20:03.42 | nvz | greycat: I dont know, greg @ wooledge.org.. a.k.a. you. |
| 20:03.53 | csmiller | whitehorse1 - its a fairly fast internet connection, however not really fast enough for the number of people who use it |
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| 20:04.04 | greycat | ma3x: so just get a "suse" certificate, and then convert them to debian after you've already been there a little while and taken over their infrastructure. |
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| 20:04.27 | ma3x | haha |
| 20:04.29 | greycat | we had three red hat servers when I got here. now we have two, and half a dozen debian servers. |
| 20:04.29 | teclo | greycat: uhhhh indeed I did something wrong... It work on two other Debian boxes |
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| 20:04.52 | greycat | teclo: check the perms on /usr/bin/crontab as well as the dirs leading up to the spools. |
| 20:05.00 | ma3x | greycat, what exactly represents a shaved monkey manager? no certificate? or no knowledge? |
| 20:05.10 | greycat | ma3x: no *brains*. |
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| 20:05.16 | Draal | How do I access the device section in XF86Config-4? |
| 20:05.34 | whitehorse1 | How does one propose / get new or altered text for the dpkg bot? |
| 20:05.44 | greycat | whitehorse1: /msg dpkg help |
| 20:05.49 | ma3x | greycat, have you tried SuSe? |
| 20:05.53 | greycat | nope |
| 20:05.54 | nvz | Draal: for what? |
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| 20:06.11 | bartek | hi |
| 20:06.26 | ma3x | greycat, "suse" certificate is LPI, I guess |
| 20:06.36 | ma3x | how you got any in your lifetime? |
| 20:06.44 | greycat | got any what? |
| 20:06.46 | ma3x | or it weren't necessary for you? |
| 20:06.47 | ma3x | certificate |
| 20:06.48 | stew | !config-2.6.8-2-386 is http://vireo.org/~stew/config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:06.49 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 20:06.53 | greycat | don't have any. |
| 20:06.59 | Maulkin | hmm... Does /etc/mtab follow the same syntax as /etc/fstab? |
| 20:07.02 | stew | guess who's not 2.4 biased :P |
| 20:07.03 | ma3x | how did you get the job then? |
| 20:07.06 | ma3x | demonstration? |
| 20:07.09 | greycat | Maulkin: no |
| 20:07.15 | whitehorse1 | greycat hmm I'll give its advice on declarative statements a go... |
| 20:07.16 | nvz | man the tv is trying to make me sit around.. the curvature of the screen makes it look like I got cut abs through the reflection |
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| 20:08.03 | greycat | nvz: the TV makes me want to turn it off. |
| 20:08.09 | nvz | oh its off already |
| 20:08.15 | greycat | ah. no wonder. |
| 20:08.19 | ma3x | tv sucks |
| 20:08.25 | bartek | I've got a question - When adding a new user (newus for example), public_html directory is created, which group is newus. How can I force my server to create public_html with an other group (i. e. www)? |
| 20:08.26 | greycat | apparently they're better when off. |
| 20:08.34 | asuffield | I don't even *own* a TV |
| 20:08.37 | Maulkin | damn. |
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| 20:08.43 | ma3x | they're better when they don't exist |
| 20:08.59 | nvz | my tv is at my grandma's house I let her have it.. this little 15" is just to hook the PS2 up to |
| 20:09.10 | gregn | I just got a storcase raid machine, I was wondering how I would get debian to recognize this now? It's connected through fibre.. |
| 20:09.18 | teclo | [root@venus] 22:09 /root>chgrp crontab /usr/bin/crontab |
| 20:09.18 | teclo | chgrp: invalid group name `crontab' |
| 20:09.24 | teclo | ....ouch !!! |
| 20:09.39 | ma3x | nvz, prolly the VHz frequency sucks, don't play PS2 on it |
| 20:09.39 | greycat | teclo: ls -ld /etc/group |
| 20:09.53 | teclo | now crontab is -rwxr-sr-x but the crontab group isn't there... uh oh! |
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| 20:10.10 | greycat | teclo: and ls -ld /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 20:10.12 | teclo | [root@venus] 22:09 /root>ls -ld /etc/group |
| 20:10.12 | teclo | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 515 May 21 13:42 /etc/group |
| 20:10.16 | greycat | may? |
| 20:10.24 | nvz | ma3x: oh well its all I got, like I said I gave my 19" w/ VCR to my grandmother |
| 20:10.27 | greycat | how long ago did you first notice the problem? |
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| 20:10.45 | teclo | [root@venus] 22:10 /root>ls -ld /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 20:10.45 | teclo | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 465 Mar 11 1999 /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 20:10.52 | greycat | hm.m |
| 20:10.53 | teclo | greycat: twenty minutes |
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| 20:11.21 | greycat | that nsswitch.conf looks great. same size *and* date as mine (sarge i386). |
| 20:11.22 | gozz | does anyone know what famd is? |
| 20:11.27 | greycat | gozz: yes. |
| 20:11.32 | puff | Is there any way to bandwidth-nice apt? |
| 20:11.38 | bartek | I've got a question - When adding a new user (newus for example), public_html directory is created, which group is newus. How can I force my server to create public_html with an other group (i. e. www)? |
| 20:11.50 | teclo | greycat: it's woody x86 |
| 20:11.54 | greycat | bartek: modify the adduser script? |
| 20:11.59 | nvz | gozz: yep |
| 20:12.01 | greycat | teclo: huh. |
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| 20:12.09 | greycat | teclo: dpkg -l cron | tail -1 |
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| 20:12.22 | gozz | what is it and is it ok to kill it? |
| 20:12.31 | greycat | gozz: man famd |
| 20:12.35 | fbi | gozz: man famd |
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| 20:12.38 | puff | bartek: Hm, probably something in the skeleton files? |
| 20:12.42 | tech13 | gozz: it is fine to kill, it monitors files for changes for other programs. |
| 20:12.50 | teclo | ii cron 3.0pl1-72 management of regular background processing |
| 20:12.51 | puff | Doesn't adduser refer to a skeleton user setup, somewhere? |
| 20:12.57 | greycat | !info cron woody |
| 20:13.02 | greycat | puff: /etc/skel |
| 20:13.10 | nvz | gozz: its the File Alteration Monitor Daemon and if its safe to kill or not depends on if you need it |
| 20:13.19 | greycat | puff: don't know if you can enforce weird group ownerships that way, though |
| 20:13.48 | nvz | gozz: having mount/unmount issues? |
| 20:14.05 | gozz | is their a way to get it to leave the cdrom alone for good? |
| 20:14.13 | gregn | im trying to make a small SAN here, and my debian machine has two qlogic fibre cards, and they're connected to the disk array machine.. now i was wondering what do I have to do to get my debian machine to recognize this? |
| 20:14.18 | doleyb | gozz: apt-get remove fam |
| 20:14.18 | gozz | yes nvz |
| 20:14.18 | nvz | gozz: its not bothering the cdrom.. let me guess. you are using sarge and kde |
| 20:14.33 | greycat | teclo: on my woody box, /usr/bin/crontab is NOT 2755. It's 4755 (setuid root). |
| 20:14.35 | gozz | yes |
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| 20:14.47 | doleyb | nvz: btw, sid's kde 3.4.2 is better regarding cdroms, but still not perfect. it will occasionally hold onto them. |
| 20:15.00 | greycat | teclo: and my cron is 3.0pl1-72 as well. |
| 20:15.02 | bartek | greycat adduser.conf doesn't have such options... I'll try to chceck the scripts |
| 20:15.11 | nvz | gozz: there is a bug in konqueror that effects _all_ removable media. if you access any removable media with konqueror it will not let go of it if you kill famd, then kdeinit takes it |
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| 20:15.15 | greycat | bartek: I didn't say *options*. I said modify the script. |
| 20:15.18 | greycat | bartek: it's perl. |
| 20:15.24 | nvz | doleyb: has nothing to do with kde or cdroms |
| 20:15.27 | teclo | greycat: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 22460 Jun 8 2004 /usr/bin/crontab |
| 20:15.30 | teclo | on woody |
| 20:15.35 | doleyb | nvz: yes it does, _you_ just said it does. |
| 20:15.51 | bartek | puff changing /etc/skel has no effects -> www changes to newus |
| 20:16.02 | bartek | greycat thanx, I'll try it |
| 20:16.03 | dpkg | cron: (management of regular background processing), section admin, is important. Version: 3.0pl1-72 (woody), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 244 kB |
| 20:16.27 | nvz | doleyb: no I said it has to do with removable media and konqueror. a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isnt nessicarily a square |
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| 20:17.50 | greycat | teclo: /var/spool/cron/crontabs is drwxr-xr-x 2 root root on my woody box. |
| 20:17.57 | greycat | woody has no crontab group. |
| 20:18.17 | nvz | gozz: you will have to go on a massive killing spree to get that cd out. then you will have to refrain from using konqueror to access removable media in the future. or upgrade to kde 3.4 because the problem was fixed upstream. you can talk to the people in #kde or #debian-kde about the issue. they should know more about it and could point you to the bug on the KDE BTS |
| 20:18.24 | teclo | greycat: ah... |
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| 20:18.47 | teclo | greycat: well I compared one woody box with two sarge boxes... sorry :/ |
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| 20:19.26 | nvz | gozz: killall on konqueror, famd, and kdeinit should do it.. but I dont know what state this leaves you in as far as kde goes |
| 20:19.46 | adamt | is there a fast cgi enabled version of php on the repositories? |
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| 20:20.03 | greycat | nvz: I'd just reboot. |
| 20:20.12 | greycat | if it runs KDE, it can't be a critical server. |
| 20:20.13 | nvz | greycat: heh, windows mentality |
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| 20:20.29 | asuffield | killing kdeinit will probably kill everything kdeish |
| 20:20.30 | teclo | greycat: ok, last one, can you ls -l /usr/bin/at ? I bet it must be suid root |
| 20:20.36 | jgannon | I am trying to install Sarge for m68k on an old Performa... does anyone know how I can make it boot to CD, or an alternate way of getting the installer going? |
| 20:20.40 | nvz | asuffield: yeah well its a nasty bug |
| 20:20.54 | greycat | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 34488 Jan 18 2002 /usr/bin/at |
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| 20:21.42 | greycat | (this is our *last* woody box and I've been afraid to upgrade it just yet. it's even got a fucked-up custom kernel for a hardware device that *no* other linux kernel at the time could support) |
| 20:21.42 | asuffield | you *could* implement cron and at without setuid root... but it's questionable as to what the point of the exercise would be |
| 20:21.48 | greycat | Linux linnav3 2.4.7-10custom #3 Fri Apr 26 09:37:00 EDT 2002 i686 unknown |
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| 20:22.46 | Boil | anyone think that building a linux control panel would be a good idea? |
| 20:23.07 | asuffield | Boil: about a million people. that's why we have thousands of the fucking things |
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| 20:23.20 | Boil | Thousands? |
| 20:23.21 | nvz | I dont, because using one isnt a good idea.. so building one with intent to use cant be |
| 20:23.25 | greycat | Boil: one is too many. |
| 20:23.29 | Boil | kcontrol and gnome-system-tools |
| 20:23.43 | Boil | www.v8d.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=73 so i can determin if its worth making |
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| 20:23.45 | greycat | Boil: and YAST and redhatconfigthingy and ... |
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| 20:23.52 | nvz | oh we're not talking about the web control panels I guess :P |
| 20:24.02 | greycat | and the webmin family... |
| 20:24.06 | yel | is there any known good howto for a full backup of a debian system please ? |
| 20:24.06 | asuffield | three incarnations of yast. no less than four attempts from redhat. webmin. kolab. |
| 20:24.09 | nvz | vagueness kills |
| 20:24.22 | Boil | A friend of mine is trying to build one for an A-Level project |
| 20:24.40 | greycat | yel: find something big enough to hold the data. copy the data to it. verify that it's readable. repeat often. |
| 20:24.49 | Boil | www.v8d.org/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=11&t=73 is the link if anyone is interested ... |
| 20:24.55 | greycat | Boil: we aren't. |
| 20:25.15 | asuffield | freshmeat has an entire *category* for these things |
| 20:25.22 | asuffield | that's how many of them there are |
| 20:25.29 | fmarostica | abrotman, I should use aptitude rather apt-get for update my system woody to sarge? |
| 20:25.34 | revenger_ | uhm.. I'm confused now .. for any reason nfs-user-server doesn't support nfs3 under sid any idea why? |
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| 20:25.41 | jjazz | yel: http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ has some useful stuff on backups |
| 20:25.47 | stew | fmarostica: yes |
| 20:25.50 | yel | thanks jjazz |
| 20:25.52 | asuffield | revenger_: nfs-user-server has never supported anything later than nfsv2. nor has it been maintained in over five years |
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| 20:25.55 | abrotman | fmarostica: probably |
| 20:26.00 | stew | definately |
| 20:26.06 | asuffield | revenger_: you should be using nfs-kernel-server |
| 20:26.11 | revenger_ | ok thanks |
| 20:26.26 | yalu | does anyone know how (with which program) it is possible to print an image over 2 or more papers? |
| 20:26.34 | jjazz | yel: The key is to stick it in a cron job so it doesn't require your intervention. Then get a copy off-site so you're disaster-proof. |
| 20:26.54 | Update | any one asking for me ? |
| 20:27.21 | yel | jjazz, i like the guys : 3. Be lazy: use cron |
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| 20:27.26 | yel | :) |
| 20:27.30 | ralf | this is scary!!! /usr/src/linux/Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt |
| 20:27.30 | jgannon | I am trying to install Sarge for m68k on an old Performa... does anyone know how I can make it boot to CD, or an alternate way of getting the installer going? |
| 20:27.35 | greycat | Update: do we look like an answering service? |
| 20:27.41 | mjk64 | Update: Only two hot chicks in bathing suit ;-) |
| 20:27.57 | mjk64 | Update: thongs even |
| 20:28.17 | Update | did they leave the phone number ? |
| 20:28.35 | doleyb | the konqueror in sid is mostly better, but it will still sometimes keep trying to use files in directories you're no longer looking at. |
| 20:28.35 | doleyb | such as if it tries to thumbnail a file, but can't understand the format- it will keep trying forever. |
| 20:29.04 | jjazz | Update: 212-479-7990 |
| 20:29.24 | asuffield | Update: 202-324-3000 |
| 20:29.25 | Update | gona skyp them now |
| 20:29.27 | Update | bbl |
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| 20:30.24 | asuffield | jjazz: oh now that's good |
| 20:30.32 | jjazz | asuffield: ;) |
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| 20:31.14 | abrotman | how did jjazz come up with that so quickly though |
| 20:31.32 | jjazz | abrotman: I've only ever given it out once. |
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| 20:31.48 | abrotman | jjazz: your mom took it ok though? :) |
| 20:32.15 | teclo | job 9 at 2005-09-22 22:35 |
| 20:32.15 | teclo | Warning: at daemon not runnin |
| 20:32.29 | teclo | greycat: and I did /etc/init.d/at restart |
| 20:32.30 | jjazz | abrotman: If by 'ok' you mean 'up the ass', I think you mean your mom, not mine. |
| 20:32.35 | jjazz | ;) |
| 20:32.43 | gozz | so what your all telling me is if i use kde when i mount a cd i cant umount/eject until i reboot? |
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| 20:33.50 | roll | which package generate ld.so.conf? |
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| 20:34.22 | Oded | hello |
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| 20:34.27 | greycat | roll: either libc6 or nothing. Just write one yourself if you need one. |
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| 20:34.35 | roll | well |
| 20:34.36 | Oded | has anyone ever experienced a situation where devices in /dev are getting crw------- permissions? |
| 20:34.36 | greycat | arc1:~$ cat /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 20:34.37 | greycat | /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 20:34.37 | sulo | Hello |
| 20:34.49 | greycat | Oded: for some devices that's probably correct. |
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| 20:34.57 | Oded | I'm getting this when booting a 2.6.9-1.667 kernel on a system that was originally 2.4.18-20 |
| 20:35.03 | Oded | greycat: specifically, /dev/null |
| 20:35.08 | Oded | and /dev/tty* |
| 20:35.08 | greycat | Oded: udev poisoning? |
| 20:35.17 | yacoob | hah |
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| 20:35.20 | yacoob | got the bastard |
| 20:35.22 | Oded | Possibly, I'm a bit fuzzy on what udev does, I think I may have btoched that in the transfer to 2.6.9 |
| 20:35.35 | abrotman | some of them .. just do that ... |
| 20:35.36 | yacoob | Intel Corporation 82801FBM ICH6M SATA Controller |
| 20:35.39 | greycat | what is a 2.6.9-1.667 kernel? |
| 20:35.50 | Oded | fedora core 3 (sorry, not debian) |
| 20:35.58 | yacoob | now *why* doesn't ata_piix support it? :((( |
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| 20:43.57 | ice_1963 | hello :0) |
| 20:44.03 | ma3x | what do you guys think of mac? |
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| 20:44.54 | phogg | ma3x: The operating system or the line of computers or the MAC address or the scottish word or the access control? |
| 20:45.02 | bnoji | Ok. For my backup purposes...is USB 2.0 sufficient and will it work well in Sarge? |
| 20:45.10 | ice_1963 | i have never usde it |
| 20:45.12 | ma3x | phogg, os and the line of computers |
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| 20:45.32 | nkuttler | ma3x: nice hardware, you can install debian on it |
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| 20:45.45 | phogg | ma3x: one or the other, not both. And oh yeah |
| 20:45.46 | phogg | !polls |
| 20:45.47 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 20:45.56 | cheal | bnoji: depends what are your purposes. it should |
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| 20:46.17 | DjAsterix | hi all |
| 20:46.23 | ma3x | nkuttler, if you buy pc and mac for the same price, on which one's gonna run debian faster? |
| 20:46.27 | DjAsterix | do yuo speach italian? |
| 20:46.41 | nkuttler | ma3x: ask www.google.com |
| 20:46.43 | nkuttler | !it |
| 20:46.43 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:46.49 | DjAsterix | !it |
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| 20:46.55 | bnoji | Has anyone used Iomega REV stuff? |
| 20:47.05 | DjAsterix | tnx :-) |
| 20:47.13 | ma3x | nkuttler, you haven't experienced the difference? |
| 20:47.23 | bnoji | cheal: 20GB every other day. |
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| 20:47.37 | nkuttler | ma3x: you're question couldn't be more vague or trollish |
| 20:47.51 | ice_1963 | i use xfce4 :0) |
| 20:47.55 | phogg | ma3x: it really really depends on what you do with the machines and what you mean by "Faster" |
| 20:47.57 | ma3x | nkuttler, i understand |
| 20:48.14 | ma3x | phogg, compiling for example |
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| 20:48.30 | cheal | bnoji: yes, that can be backed up in one day |
| 20:48.52 | sn00p | grrr |
| 20:48.56 | sn00p | video card still wont work |
| 20:49.01 | phogg | ma3x: then that depends on what hardware you have... more RAM and a faster round trip from the hard drive will matter at least as much as clock speed. |
| 20:49.42 | pshaggy | when attempting to apt-get update I can't finish upgrading udev because I'm running a 2.11 kernel but I can't apt-get a new kernel because udev is only halfway installed from the update. How do I resolve this? |
| 20:49.46 | Legind | hello there. I've compiled the 2.6.8 kernel from debian packages, and it's giving me the same error as when i compiled the 2.6.13.2 kernel without the packages. it says VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1: or unknown-block(0,0) / Pleas append a correct "root=" boot option |
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| 20:50.29 | stew | Legind: you need to compile the drivers for you filesystem and your hard disk controller into the kernel, not as modules, or you need to build an initrd |
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| 20:51.36 | Legind | stew, you mean etc3? ok, i have that already compiled, but i'm not sure what the hard disk controller is |
| 20:51.49 | sgeigerbot | Do you have to install something other than dictionaries-common to get /usr/share/dict/words ? I've installed that package but the file mentioned is empty. |
| 20:52.15 | sgeigerbot | oh, it's a broken symlink... |
| 20:52.19 | stew | Legind: lscpi | grep IDE |
| 20:52.31 | Legind | stew, lspci? |
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| 20:52.35 | stew | yes |
| 20:52.36 | Legind | stew, ok thank you |
| 20:52.44 | stew | Legind: and that will tell you if its amd or piix |
| 20:52.46 | vladster | allo |
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| 20:52.59 | stew | Legind: is there a good reason you are compiling a kenrel in the first place? |
| 20:53.07 | stew | Legind: why not use a debian compiled kernel? |
| 20:53.10 | sgeigerbot | Should I file a bug report? |
| 20:53.11 | bnoji | Anyone have experience with tape drives? |
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| 20:53.25 | Legind | stew, i am using a debian package, i'm just custom making it |
| 20:53.32 | stew | sgeigerbot: you need to install somehting like american-large |
| 20:53.34 | Legind | stew, using make-kpkg |
| 20:53.37 | stew | sgeigerbot: something similar |
| 20:53.45 | stew | !wayc Legind |
| 20:53.47 | dpkg | Legind: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 20:53.53 | vladster | Is an IBM T-22 a good match for "Sarge" |
| 20:54.09 | stew | vladster: sure |
| 20:54.29 | cheal | sgeigerbot: $ ls -l /usr/share/dict/words lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 2005-06-04 22:35 /usr/share/dict/words -> /etc/dictionaries-common/words |
| 20:54.29 | cheal | chealer@leo:~$ ls -l /etc/dictionaries-common/words lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 2004-12-28 15:37 /etc/dictionaries-common/words -> /usr/share/dict/american-english |
| 20:55.05 | Legind | stew, oh i thought this was the easiest way. i hear that this is fine, besides i want to learn how to do it. but otherwise i dont know how to apt-get a precompiled kernel |
| 20:55.05 | vladster | Now all I need to find is a burner drive for it without paying an arm ,leg and a left lung |
| 20:55.11 | sgeigerbot | cheal: yes, but that was a broken symlink |
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| 20:55.17 | jbroome | vladster: i'm running it on a t-21, so i'd say yes |
| 20:55.20 | sgeigerbot | stew: Yes, I need to install wamerican-large. Thanks. |
| 20:55.32 | stew | Legind: apt-get install kenrel-image-2.6-arch where arch is 686 | 386 | k7... |
| 20:55.42 | Legind | stew ok thank you |
| 20:55.59 | stew | Legind: what kernel do you currently have and why do you want to replace it? |
| 20:56.22 | vladster | any tips on Whare I can find a burner for the this that works without costing a ton? |
| 20:56.48 | jbroome | ebay i guess. getting one from ibm will not meet the 2nd part of your question. :) |
| 20:56.51 | Legind | stew: i currently have 2.4.27, and i want to place it because of the built in alsa support for kernel >=2.6 |
| 20:57.01 | vladster | I know that for sure |
| 20:57.02 | Legind | place=replace |
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| 20:57.36 | vladster | When is alsa going to become standard for sarge |
| 20:57.53 | Legind | stew, also, my nvidia driver requires the kernel config file to install properly |
| 20:58.09 | whitehorse1 | vladster: what's the standard now? |
| 20:58.25 | stew | Legind: for nvidia you just need to install kernel-headers-2.6-arch, then /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 20:58.32 | vladster | OSS I think, that installs by default |
| 20:58.45 | stew | Legind: DONT use nvidia's installer |
| 20:58.45 | whitehorse1 | bnoji: not under linux and not for five years. soz |
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| 20:58.54 | Legind | ok |
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| 20:59.14 | whitehorse1 | vladster: oh right. neither seems to work for me with my creativelabs 5.1 anyway. |
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| 20:59.26 | billions | hello all +_= |
| 20:59.27 | Legind | stew, just curious: why? will that mess with dependencies? |
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| 20:59.41 | jackster | #vdr |
| 20:59.59 | stew | Legind: from what i've heard it "fucks shit up good" and if there is a debian way, you might as well use it |
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| 21:00.07 | vladster | I have alsa on my desktop and ALSA seems to be fine there but I had to install that post install |
| 21:00.14 | Legind | stew, awesome, thanks for all the help |
| 21:00.20 | stew | you're welcome |
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| 21:00.43 | billions | I am dual booting debian with win98 and recently had to format the windows partiation and reinstall that lousy OS ..... now my GRUB bootloader is gone =/ is there anyway to repair this ? |
| 21:00.46 | vladster | I have the NVidia shell script if you want it |
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| 21:01.03 | whitehorse1 | vladster: I installed Arch post-install. it worked for a while then completely stopped working. initially the usb-plantronics headset worked for audio but not the speakers, then thaqt stopped working and now neither work. sigh. :( |
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| 21:01.08 | EdgEy | nvidias installer is ass |
| 21:01.13 | stew | billions: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 21:01.14 | yacoob | damn :( |
| 21:01.15 | EdgEy | it doesn't work a lot of the time anyway |
| 21:01.20 | billions | ty stew |
| 21:01.22 | yacoob | Not working at all |
| 21:01.41 | yacoob | is there an easy way to use different kernel with existing sarge install dvd? |
| 21:01.53 | stew | yacoob: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 21:02.02 | vladster | Use a rescue disk then chroot into the debial boot then run the grub istall from the boot grub directory |
| 21:02.06 | sn00p | my video card still wont do 85 hertz at 800x600 its a nvidia gefroce 2 i'm running debian |
| 21:02.17 | yacoob | vladster: kinky. |
| 21:02.25 | cheal | sn00p: did you configure X to do that? |
| 21:02.27 | stew | yacoob: or do a chroot install; /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 21:02.50 | yacoob | stew: hey, this could work :D |
| 21:02.51 | vladster | It works |
| 21:02.52 | EdgEy | sn00p what type of gf2 is iyt |
| 21:02.53 | EdgEy | it |
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| 21:02.57 | sn00p | . cheal: yes |
| 21:03.11 | yacoob | I could use ubuntu's install cd to boot, and then switch the disks... :D |
| 21:03.14 | cheal | sn00p: which driver did you try? |
| 21:03.17 | vladster | I have resued many a drive that way |
| 21:03.20 | sn00p | EdgEy: what you mean what type |
| 21:03.25 | vladster | rescued |
| 21:03.30 | EdgEy | geforce2 gts, mx, etc |
| 21:03.50 | EdgEy | only the GF2 MX series are supported by nvidia drivers atm, they have like older ones for other cards |
| 21:03.54 | vladster | You never know what you can do until you screw something up and have to fix it |
| 21:03.57 | sn00p | cheal: the nvidia one |
| 21:04.00 | sn00p | geforce2 ti |
| 21:04.02 | pshaggy | just wanted to pipe up in case my question was overlooked. |
| 21:04.13 | EdgEy | that might be why then |
| 21:04.22 | cheal | sn00p: heh, you expected us to guess that? |
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| 21:04.47 | cheal | sn00p: ask #nvidia |
| 21:04.53 | stew | yacoob: you don't need to switch dists, just boot ubuntu, and use debootsrap, it will sintall base from the net |
| 21:04.56 | ales | hallo, i am looking for usb related help. |
| 21:05.00 | stew | disks rather |
| 21:05.02 | yacoob | stew: that's what I meant. |
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| 21:06.29 | EdgEy | is it safe to remove kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 if i already have another kernel installed (and in grub's boot list) |
| 21:06.45 | EdgEy | it doesn't boot anyway so i'm not gonna need it anymore right? |
| 21:07.01 | cheal | EdgEy: if the other kernel boots |
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| 21:07.13 | whitehorse1 | EdgEy: I have same sitaution :) *watches to learn answer |
| 21:07.24 | EdgEy | there's 2 other kernels but i'll leave one of them incase (both of them boot i think) |
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| 21:07.31 | worthawholebean | Hi! I'm having problem with Debian on ubuntu. |
| 21:07.33 | EdgEy | should i apt-get remove or use dpkg? heh |
| 21:07.46 | ales | i have usb HD, sg_map finds it, but it won't mount |
| 21:07.47 | billions | stew: when mounting my root fs, does is there a specific place I should mount it to or is it unimportant? |
| 21:07.53 | jjazz | worthawholebean: #ubuntu |
| 21:07.59 | sether | EdgEy: dpkg -P kernel-image-foo |
| 21:08.01 | cheal | EdgEy: whatever you want |
| 21:08.02 | whitehorse1 | worthawholebean They're separate distro's go to the ubuntu channel |
| 21:08.04 | worthawholebean | Whenever I try to install something, it says Media Change |
| 21:08.16 | EdgEy | hehe thanks sether |
| 21:08.23 | stew | billions: unimportant, you are going to chroot anyway |
| 21:08.29 | worthawholebean | I'm talking about the actual package manager |
| 21:08.33 | whitehorse1 | !ubuntu |
| 21:08.33 | billions | ahhh ok ty again |
| 21:08.33 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 21:08.39 | jjazz | worthawholebean: off hand, I'm guessing you need to remove the cd line from your apt sources, but the #ubuntu guys would know better. |
| 21:08.45 | worthawholebean | ok |
| 21:09.09 | vladster | billions: google for Connie's Super Duper Rescue Disk and burn it to a mini cd. It is like the crowbar of all rescue disks. it has dos, unix and linux boots |
| 21:09.10 | yacoob | heh |
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| 21:09.29 | vladster | billions: got that |
| 21:09.36 | yacoob | I see ata devices in dmesg, but no clear indication which /dev* was assigned to it. |
| 21:09.43 | billions | yeap... |
| 21:09.48 | yacoob | guess I'm missing some module. |
| 21:09.54 | billions | ty vlad |
| 21:09.59 | vladster | The knoppix disk will work in a pinch as well |
| 21:10.05 | sn00p | cheal: it works wit h freebsd and all other linux's |
| 21:10.12 | billions | I have been using a knoppix disk mostly |
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| 21:10.51 | cheal | sn00p: that's not our problem if you configured X correctly. ask #nvidia |
| 21:10.55 | vladster | just go to a root shell then chroot into that partition after you maount that drive |
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| 21:11.18 | cheal | sn00p: tell them if it works with the same version maybe |
| 21:11.32 | billions | well my debian install disk is already in my laptop so I might as well just use that :P |
| 21:11.54 | sn00p | cheal: funny it works in woody |
| 21:12.00 | vladster | Been awhile since I had to do that, I will have to look up what I did, I wrote it down in my handbook somewhere |
| 21:12.03 | worthawholebean | jjazz: you were right |
| 21:12.07 | worthawholebean | thanks! |
| 21:12.15 | jjazz | worthawholebean: glad I could help |
| 21:12.16 | cheal | sn00p: which version worked in woody? |
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| 21:13.01 | sn00p | cheal: what you mean? |
| 21:13.02 | bnoji | How about an external USB HDD for backup? |
| 21:13.10 | billions | is my root fs stored in /dev as /root? or am I trying to mount the wrong thing? heheh |
| 21:13.23 | cheal | sn00p: when it worked in woody, which version of the nvidia driver were you using? |
| 21:13.42 | vladster | billions: this also works for other distros as well |
| 21:13.51 | ales | bnoji: i have usb HD, sg_map finds it, but it won't mount. |
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| 21:13.59 | billions | vladster: which? |
| 21:13.59 | vladster | I mkdir the name of the os in the boot partition and then mount it |
| 21:14.15 | despedes | #php |
| 21:14.16 | cheal | billions: your root fs is on your disk and mounted on / |
| 21:14.18 | sn00p | cheal: i dont know but i did a lsmod it doesn't have nvidia driver loaded |
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| 21:14.23 | despedes | hi! |
| 21:14.24 | sn00p | right now in 3.1 |
| 21:14.31 | billions | oh jesus |
| 21:14.34 | bnoji | ales: I'm not worried about getting it working. |
| 21:14.36 | cheal | sn00p: yet X starts? |
| 21:14.37 | jjazz | bnoji: Sure, although I prefer to backup over the network. Presumably you mount that usb hdd, which means it's vulnerable to lots of things that are going to attack your filesystem tree. (i.e. an rm -rf, a worm or the like) |
| 21:14.39 | billions | my bad >< |
| 21:14.41 | despedes | which html & php editor do you use? |
| 21:14.42 | bnoji | I just want to make sure it wold be usable as a backup media |
| 21:14.44 | vladster | you can't mount an already loaded filesystem |
| 21:14.51 | sn00p | cheal: yep, but cant do 85hertz |
| 21:14.51 | ales | bnoji: i'd like it too ;) |
| 21:14.59 | jjazz | despedes: gvim |
| 21:15.06 | jjazz | bnoji: Sure it would. |
| 21:15.11 | despedes | is there something like dreamweaver for linux? |
| 21:15.12 | billions | ok now I'm just confused |
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| 21:15.28 | bnoji | jjazz: I used to run into problems with the uhci and ohci modules... |
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| 21:15.31 | cheal | sn00p: X shouldn't start using the nvidia driver if you don't have the nvidia kernel module loaded |
| 21:15.34 | vladster | billions: mkdir debian from root directory |
| 21:15.47 | billions | kk |
| 21:15.48 | vladster | then mount it |
| 21:15.59 | jjazz | bnoji: That I don't know about. I do have a friend who does backups to a usb hdd using Debian. |
| 21:16.02 | bnoji | jjazz: Whats wrong with mounting the USB hdd? |
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| 21:16.20 | ales | sg_scan -i tells me it is SAMSUNG, i try to mount it but it does not work |
| 21:16.40 | cheal | sn00p: what does $ debconf-show xserver-xfree86|grep device/driver return? |
| 21:16.47 | jjazz | bnoji: Exactly what I said above. It's not bad or wrong, just another point you need to be aware of. |
| 21:16.49 | billions | vladster: mount what to /debian? |
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| 21:17.33 | bnoji | jjazz: How ould you suggest backip up to that drive then? |
| 21:17.38 | bnoji | er, backing up |
| 21:17.46 | vladster | yep |
| 21:17.58 | vladster | ready |
| 21:18.03 | vladster | here goes |
| 21:18.09 | billions | ok |
| 21:18.26 | jjazz | bnoji: I would suggest rsyncing to another machine over the net. If you want to backup to the usb hdd, I think you're going to have to mount it. But I would only mount it while backing up. Then unmount it. And be careful with permissions on it. |
| 21:18.30 | vladster | billions: chroot /Debian /bin/bash |
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| 21:19.23 | bnoji | jjazz: I plan on pluggin in in before a backup, running the backup and unplugging. I need two drives. Mon-Thurs goes on one and friday goes on the other and that one goes offsite. |
| 21:19.24 | billions | vladster: oh I think I'm behind a step :( still haven't mounted the original fs |
| 21:19.45 | billions | I don't know what in /dev I'm supposed to be mounting |
| 21:19.49 | vladster | You might have it mounted already |
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| 21:19.54 | billions | oh really |
| 21:19.54 | jjazz | bnoji: That sounds reasonable to me. |
| 21:19.56 | whitehorse1 | !help |
| 21:20.12 | billions | I don't think I do |
| 21:20.13 | vladster | on the knoppix disk? |
| 21:20.21 | bnoji | jjazz: What involved in using a USB HDD in debian? just pluggin it in and mounting it? |
| 21:20.23 | abrotman | is kde3.5 in sarge yet ? |
| 21:20.27 | billions | no the debian disk |
| 21:20.29 | jjazz | bnoji: Dunno, sorry |
| 21:20.31 | whitehorse1 | abrotman: no |
| 21:20.32 | bnoji | hmm. |
| 21:20.33 | cheal | abrotman: I was wondering the same thing! |
| 21:20.40 | whitehorse1 | abrotman: and its kde3.5 beta 1 actually |
| 21:20.41 | abrotman | whitehorse1: why not? |
| 21:20.42 | billions | I can go get my knoppix disk if it will be alot easier |
| 21:20.52 | vladster | You were able to boot to the drive? |
| 21:20.52 | h3xis | does anyone know how to edit the clock format in fluxbox so that it says the day and year alongside the time? |
| 21:20.54 | abrotman | whitehorse1: can't i emerge it!?! |
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| 21:21.03 | cheal | whitehorse1: what are they waiting for??! |
| 21:21.06 | billions | but dpkg said I could use a debian cd |
| 21:21.10 | whitehorse1 | abrotman no but you can easily use v3.4.1 |
| 21:21.38 | whitehorse1 | He does. But chooses to act otherwise :) |
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| 21:21.52 | cheal | whitehorse1: good faking |
| 21:22.02 | vladster | dpkg would be a better adviser then, this wa a backend fix I did in a panick when I could not boot |
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| 21:22.18 | cheal | abrotman: I think I screwed up the thing |
| 21:22.20 | vladster | what did dpkg say |
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| 21:22.35 | whitehorse1 | Is there any way to update the dpkg bot actually on its kde information? It's wrong. I msg'd help to it and it says it learns via declaritive statements but I don't see how to definitively update it without giving details in the channel a lot |
| 21:22.44 | whitehorse1 | Does the bot have a maintainer? |
| 21:22.53 | cheal | dpkg: who owns you? |
| 21:22.53 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
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| 21:22.58 | billions | it says that I should mount my root fs and then chroot into it and install grub |
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| 21:23.00 | whitehorse1 | cheal merci |
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| 21:23.14 | billions | but I don't know what it is stored as in /dev so I cannot mount it =/ |
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| 21:23.22 | abrotman | whitehorse1: you want to add the debian-desktop.org site? |
| 21:23.31 | cheal | dpkg: whitehorse1 is the KDE 3.5 buddy |
| 21:23.32 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
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| 21:23.39 | cheal | dpkg: whitehorse1? |
| 21:23.40 | vladster | dpkg: grub reinstall |
| 21:23.40 | dpkg | whitehorse1 is probably the KDE 3.5 buddy |
| 21:23.42 | whitehorse1 | abrotman: Yes. But I also want to correct some existing information it has |
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| 21:23.51 | whitehorse1 | cheal bitch :p |
| 21:23.53 | whitehorse1 | g |
| 21:23.59 | jjazz | billions: does cat /etc/mtab tell you anything useful? |
| 21:24.18 | cheal | dpkg: no, whitehorse1 is someone that thinks that knows better |
| 21:24.18 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
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| 21:24.49 | eddan | Is the making-a-debian-package-docs @ http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ still the correct way to do things allthought it's last update was in 2002? |
| 21:24.56 | abrotman | yay .. kdebase isn't in etch! |
| 21:24.57 | misfitx7 | make no monkey out of me |
| 21:25.01 | cheal | !kde3.4 |
| 21:25.01 | dpkg | i heard kde3.4 is being uploaded to sid, see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 for details. not supported on any Debian channels yet, *particularly* not #debian. if you still want to ask about it, ask #debian-kde |
| 21:25.04 | whitehorse1 | cheal it's wrong, don't shoot the messenger! it's also uses strange English |
| 21:25.07 | abrotman | eddan: it's close if not correct |
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| 21:25.21 | yacoob | ghah. |
| 21:25.21 | billions | jjazz: ummm not really :( |
| 21:25.25 | abrotman | whitehorse1: because there's a length restriction .. you can't use proper english everywhere |
| 21:25.26 | cheal | dpkg: forget whitehorse1 |
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| 21:25.33 | dondelelcaro | eddan: pretty much; the tools you use in the making of the package and policy has changed; but most other things are the same |
| 21:25.34 | yacoob | I've made ubuntu to see both cd and hdd |
| 21:25.44 | cheal | dpkg: cannot remove factoid 'whitehorse1', too old. (13048.892662037>6048) use 'no,' instead |
| 21:25.45 | billions | I |
| 21:25.47 | yacoob | now, where's my debootstrap... :) |
| 21:25.52 | abrotman | nice |
| 21:25.54 | cheal | heh, the bot has something wrong |
| 21:25.58 | whitehorse1 | cheal do you need privs granted to educate the bot like that - namecolon command I mean? |
| 21:26.00 | eddan | abrotman & dondelelcare: Ok, thanks! |
| 21:26.02 | billions | i'll just use a knoppix cd instead...I;m too much of a newbie for this I guess |
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| 21:26.10 | whitehorse1 | dpkg kde is an abbreviation for K Desktop Environment - a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release is 3.4.2. The newest Beta version is KDE 3.5 Beta 1. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details or ask your questions about it to #debian-kde |
| 21:26.10 | whitehorse1 | DebianSarge and DebianTesting currently contain KDE 3.3.2. DebianUnstable also currently contains KDE 3.3.2. |
| 21:26.11 | dpkg | ...but kde is already something else... |
| 21:26.11 | whitehorse1 | However, you can obtain a more modern packaged version - KDE 3.4.1 for Sarge from http://www.debian-desktop.org/. Etch users have also had success using this version without problems. Learn more about Debian's desktop project overall at: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-desktop/ and you can also join #debian-desktop on Freenode IRC (irc.debian.org). |
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| 21:26.11 | cheal | whitehorse1: no |
| 21:26.23 | abrotman | whitehorse1: that's far far too long |
| 21:26.27 | jjazz | billions: Why not try mounting /dev/hda1 and see what happens? You can always umount it if it's not the right dev |
| 21:26.29 | whitehorse1 | that was declaritive though |
| 21:26.31 | abrotman | and way more info than anyone needs |
| 21:26.36 | cheal | whitehorse1: it at least needs to fit in one line |
| 21:26.43 | whitehorse1 | oh |
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| 21:26.56 | abrotman | tha'ts not a factoid .. that's a foreward from a book |
| 21:27.06 | whitehorse1 | the debian-desktop part should be in there tho IMHO. And hey - I wrote that :p |
| 21:27.06 | cheal | whitehorse1: I did examples in public in case others don't know, but please experience in private |
| 21:27.22 | misfitx7 | im a monkey |
| 21:27.23 | abrotman | !kde3.4 |
| 21:27.24 | dpkg | well, kde3.4 is being uploaded to sid, see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 for details. not supported on any Debian channels yet, *particularly* not #debian. if you still want to ask about it, ask #debian-kde, or see http://debian-desktop.org/ |
| 21:27.26 | Update | who summoned me ? |
| 21:27.29 | abrotman | whitehorse1: better? |
| 21:27.31 | billions | jjazz: no such file or dir apparently =/ |
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| 21:27.44 | bucky | Update, beetlejuice |
| 21:27.57 | jjazz | billions: Is that because you have the wrong dev or because the mount point doesn't exist? |
| 21:27.58 | Update | damn bug |
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| 21:28.01 | abrotman | bugjuice! |
| 21:28.02 | misfitx7 | dont say the B word |
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| 21:28.34 | billions | jjazz: wrong dev I think...I created a mount point |
| 21:28.51 | jjazz | billions: ok. then um... try /dev/hdb1? |
| 21:28.58 | cheal | dpkg: no, kde3.4 built on most arches. it should transition to etch sometime during october |
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| 21:29.09 | cheal | eh |
| 21:29.20 | billions | jjazz: no luck either.... |
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| 21:29.40 | jjazz | billions: What does fdisk /dev/hda tell you? (be really careful with this one) |
| 21:29.42 | cheal | dpkg: no, kde3.4 is the best KDE version ever! it built on most arches and should transition to etch sometime during october |
| 21:29.42 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
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| 21:30.06 | billions | fdisk not found |
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| 21:30.13 | whitehorse1 | abrotman yuh-hu :) |
| 21:30.13 | whitehorse1 | http://debian-desktop.org/ |
| 21:30.17 | whitehorse1 | grr |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | i did change it |
| 21:30.32 | abrotman | but whoever changed the kde factoid made the english worse .. but oh well .. seems fitting to KDE |
| 21:30.37 | jjazz | billions: Um... cfdisk? |
| 21:30.57 | cheal | abrotman: heh...I feel targetted |
| 21:30.59 | mfrisch | Ok my harddisk is losing its mbr and spitting i/o errors sometimes. It's the 5th time. the disk is going...going...gone right? |
| 21:31.23 | mfrisch | should I run badblocks? |
| 21:31.36 | cheal | abrotman: what's wrong about it? :( |
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| 21:31.38 | abrotman | cheal: you're french ? |
| 21:31.44 | cheal | abrotman: unfortunately |
| 21:31.49 | billions | jjazz: not found either....I think I'll just go get my knoppix cd because this doesn't want to work from the debian cd I guess |
| 21:31.52 | jjazz | mfrisch: cool, a disk meltdown. Our of curiosity, what filesystem is on it? |
| 21:31.57 | jjazz | billions: Yeah, sounds like the plan |
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| 21:32.04 | mfrisch | jjazz ext3 |
| 21:32.08 | billions | jjazz: ty though :) |
| 21:32.14 | jjazz | billions: Not like I did much. |
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| 21:32.40 | cheal | dpkg: kde =~ s/3.4.1/3.4.2/ |
| 21:32.41 | dpkg | cheal: OK |
| 21:32.43 | jjazz | mfrisch: Thanks. |
| 21:32.49 | mr_kreg | installed debians stock 2.4.27 kernel for my system. does anyone know how to determine if the kernel found a usb mouse and if drivers are loaded for it? |
| 21:32.52 | mfrisch | jjazz WHY |
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| 21:33.19 | abrotman | mr_kreg: lsusb , dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 21:33.22 | mr_kreg | mr_kreg x is not running yet. it's not finding the mouse according to the logs device not found. |
| 21:33.24 | billions | well ty all who tried to help me anyways ;) |
| 21:33.42 | jjazz | mfrisch: Just wondering. I have this theory that reiserfs boxes tend to puke more often, but my informal tallies don't really bear that out. |
| 21:34.06 | mfrisch | jjazz is it the disk or the filesystem??? |
| 21:34.22 | mr_kreg | abrotman is lsusb found in a package of other tools? apt-cache didn't find it |
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| 21:34.29 | abrotman | !find bin/lsusb |
| 21:34.40 | billions | vladster: ty aswell :) |
| 21:35.09 | billions | ok booting the knoppix cd now.... |
| 21:35.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lsusb' (1): (/usr/bin/lsusb, /usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils. |
| 21:35.32 | jjazz | mfrisch: Dunno. I think a filesystem that shits the bed could throw errors that look like mbr degradation. But with ext3, I'd think it unlikely. |
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| 21:35.55 | abrotman | mr_kreg: usbutils is the package |
| 21:36.00 | abrotman | mr_kreg: try apt-file |
| 21:36.03 | mr_kreg | abrotman yep saw that. installing now thank you. |
| 21:36.07 | mfrisch | jjazz badblocks it? |
| 21:36.17 | jjazz | abrotman: peace |
| 21:36.18 | mfrisch | abrotman peace |
| 21:36.22 | Supaplex | l8r |
| 21:36.26 | billions | byebye |
| 21:36.27 | abrotman | but .. i like green beans |
| 21:37.12 | jjazz | mfrisch: I don't know if badblocks looks at the mbr at all, so I can't say. Check the man page. |
| 21:38.06 | mfrisch | jjazz but it will tell me if the disk is ok right? |
| 21:38.15 | htedrom | hey all...this isn't really a debian question but i'm not sure where to ask it. i'm trying to mount a multitrack .bin....when i convert it to a .iso, i get two .iso's, one for each track...but neither mount |
| 21:38.31 | htedrom | i think one of the tracks is an apend or something, because it's under a meg |
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| 21:38.50 | htedrom | but neither mount, and only the small track burns |
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| 21:39.04 | htedrom | it's a movie, by the way |
| 21:39.04 | whitehorse1 | Flood? Cheek. I did no such thing. |
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| 21:39.25 | cheal | dondelelcaro: hum, looks like I killed dpkg |
| 21:39.44 | billions | 0.0 |
| 21:39.47 | jjazz | mfrisch: Read the man page to see what it tells you. It's not omniscient. |
| 21:40.00 | whitehorse1 | And before I could correct it's kde version information too! A dark day for #debian indeed |
| 21:40.01 | mfrisch | jjazz Thanks alot! |
| 21:40.09 | vladster | I tried but some of my fixes are backhanded but I can get them to work |
| 21:40.12 | yacoob | hm |
| 21:40.18 | yacoob | would bootstrap work with lvm? |
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| 21:40.47 | Gnea | oh wow |
| 21:40.51 | mfrisch | moment of silence |
| 21:40.55 | vladster | what? |
| 21:40.56 | Gnea | whitehorse1: dpkg took a dive yesterday too |
| 21:41.09 | Gnea | wasn't for flood tho |
| 21:41.11 | vladster | will the patient live? |
| 21:41.18 | Gnea | without a doubt |
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| 21:41.33 | billions | phew |
| 21:41.37 | whitehorse1 | But will it be well-informed or forever otherwise |
| 21:41.42 | whitehorse1 | whew |
| 21:41.44 | vladster | where do I send binary flowers |
| 21:41.50 | Gnea | see |
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| 21:42.22 | vladster | billions: did you get it finally/ |
| 21:42.24 | whitehorse1 | dpkg what's kde? |
| 21:42.25 | dpkg | kde is, like, a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.2. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it to #debian-kde |
| 21:42.27 | vladster | ? |
| 21:42.57 | billions | vladster: well now I'm in knoppix...I was just going to ask dkpg the info again but then it died >< |
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| 21:43.15 | vladster | must be a tough question |
| 21:43.16 | billions | oh hes back eh |
| 21:43.24 | yes | billions: no, not he |
| 21:43.28 | vladster | it |
| 21:43.29 | yes | dpkg gender |
| 21:43.29 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 21:43.29 | billions | er my bad |
| 21:43.33 | yes | vladster: she |
| 21:43.34 | billions | 0.0 |
| 21:43.48 | vladster | it's not mine |
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| 21:43.58 | billions | dpkg: pardon me ma'am |
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| 21:44.17 | Crocop | hi |
| 21:44.19 | vladster | I was wearing protection |
| 21:44.22 | Crocop | i am a , REDHAT USER |
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| 21:44.28 | yes | vladster: in nethack? |
| 21:44.34 | dondelelcaro | Crocop: that's great, your channel is elsewhere. |
| 21:44.35 | Crocop | no wait, i am a, FEDORA CORE 3 USER |
| 21:44.38 | mfrisch | Crocop I'm sorry |
| 21:44.39 | whitehorse1 | Oh well. I corrected it and it said 'okay' then just re-gave the old info again. I give up |
| 21:44.45 | yacoob | Crocop: should we behold? :) |
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| 21:44.57 | Crocop | i come here, to, .... not...start a, flame war |
| 21:45.06 | fran | Sorry for my ignorance and for the stupid question... But.. Who was etch in Toy Story movie? |
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| 21:45.14 | stew | fran: etch-a-sketch |
| 21:45.24 | dondelelcaro | Crocop: right; let me know when you're actually going to ask a #debian related question |
| 21:45.24 | fran | stew: Ah, I see, thanks |
| 21:45.46 | error403_ | could somebody please help me with cvs? when i try to log in remotely, i keep getting '/var/lib/cvs: no such repository', even though i have already done CVS init on it... |
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| 21:46.04 | yacoob | would a debootstrap on lvm volume work? :) |
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| 21:46.44 | yes | yacoob: easy to find out, right? |
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| 21:48.48 | yacoob | yes: it's munching its way right now, retrieving and downloading packages. But having known, that default debian kernel from sarge install won't work, I guess I'd jump straight into sid... |
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| 21:49.11 | yes | yacoob: it doesn't work? |
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| 21:50.38 | yacoob | yes: so far, it is. But I forsee problems with target kernel :) |
| 21:50.39 | jim__ | can someone help me with pppoeconf - Once I run through the configuration it still doesn't connect? Do I need an eth1 connection as well? Or how do I link them. |
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| 21:52.02 | EdgEy | anyone know if there's some sort of wmv plugin for firefox, since mplayer can play wmv |
| 21:52.26 | vladster | I think you have to install the codecs first |
| 21:52.35 | JooZoo | Hello, could somebody tell me how to clean existing Debian installation via ssh? Existing works, but it's so disorganized... |
| 21:52.37 | yacoob | EdgEy: there is mplayer mozilla plugin |
| 21:52.45 | vladster | You get those from merrilat |
| 21:52.53 | error403_ | could somebody please help me with cvs? when i try to log in remotely, i keep getting '/var/lib/cvs: no such repository', even though i have already done CVS init on it... |
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| 21:52.57 | cheal | EdgEy: mozilla-plugin-vlc would presumably read some WMV-s |
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| 21:53.20 | jim__ | once I configure PPPoe - can I just start the dsl from the network connections? Or is there another step I'm missing? |
| 21:53.28 | EdgEy | and i'm not really experienced enough to compile it.. lol -.- |
| 21:53.28 | stew | EdgEy: by whom? for what reason? |
| 21:53.44 | cheal | jim__: you need a working ethernet connection. what did you try, how do you see it fails? |
| 21:53.47 | yes | stew: you can't use BTS if they are not official packages |
| 21:53.51 | EdgEy | stew, supposedly cause mplayers something i should compile myself without crap i don't need etc |
| 21:54.02 | stew | yes: correct |
| 21:54.22 | yes | stew: they are not autobuilt for all archs |
| 21:54.30 | cheal | hehehe |
| 21:54.33 | stew | yes: what isn't? |
| 21:54.37 | stew | yes: mplayer? |
| 21:54.44 | jim__ | cheal - I originally installed via ethernet at my house that worked - now at my friends house and he has dsl - I erased eth1 which was the working nic and did pppoe config |
| 21:54.45 | stew | yes: its not autobuilt for any arches |
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| 21:55.03 | yes | stew: that's what i said |
| 21:55.07 | jim__ | cheal do I need to reconfigure the ethernet card? Or does pppoe do that? |
| 21:55.11 | jim__ | pppoeconf |
| 21:55.14 | stew | yes: this has nothing to do with debian at all |
| 21:55.21 | cheal | jim__: why did you "erase" eth1? you need a working ethernet interface |
| 21:55.34 | jim__ | I deleted it from network admin |
| 21:55.47 | jim__ | probably shoudn't have |
| 21:55.48 | cheal | ...what's network admin :? |
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| 21:56.11 | jim__ | network-admin in the gui |
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| 21:56.30 | jim__ | cheal under system tools in start menu |
| 21:56.37 | mernil | Greetings friends of free and open software :) |
| 21:56.43 | cheal | jim__: I found it in console. |
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| 21:56.58 | yes | mernil: not all are friends of open software or open source software |
| 21:57.12 | cheal | I never had luck with network configuration GUIs under GNU/Linux. the last one I hated was Mandrake's |
| 21:57.17 | jim__ | cheal - anyway, how do I set up the dsl from nothing in the network-admin? |
| 21:57.20 | whitehorse1 | How can I get up my full partition table, to be able to paste it into somewhere (an installation report) please? |
| 21:57.29 | jim__ | do I need to have it find my eth1 connection again ? |
| 21:57.39 | Mortalman | If I compile a kerenl intended for my very old laptop, on my PC which is very new, will that pose a problem ?? |
| 21:57.40 | jim__ | this was found originally during sarge setup |
| 21:57.43 | stew | whitehorse1: fdisk -l |
| 21:57.43 | yes | whitehorse1: of which disk? parted disk print ? |
| 21:57.56 | cheal | jim__: I never tried network-admin and won't. I use etherconf and pppoeconf |
| 21:58.00 | beardy | whitehorse1: fdisk -l |
| 21:58.10 | whitehorse1 | yes: didn't understand response sorry. Er of my HD?. |
| 21:58.20 | whitehorse1 | Stew & beardy: Thank you both |
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| 21:58.30 | mernil | yes: yeah.. but i wasn't addressing them ;) |
| 21:58.31 | jim__ | cheal - what is etherconf? |
| 21:58.39 | jim__ | I don't seem to have this command |
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| 21:58.54 | cheal | jim__: a package |
| 21:58.56 | fas3r | anybody know what's the port using by ipcheck? |
| 21:58.58 | nyterukh | k got a prob |
| 21:59.15 | nyterukh | how come i cant mount the cdrom drive? |
| 21:59.34 | jim__ | cheal - is there a way to re-run the ethernet package that sarge uses during install? |
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| 21:59.38 | jim__ | dpkg-reocnfigure?? |
| 21:59.47 | jim__ | not sure what package tho |
| 21:59.52 | JooZoo | Hello, could somebody tell me how to clean existing Debian installation via ssh? Existing works, but it's so disorganized... |
| 21:59.53 | stew | fas3r: not sure what you mean. maybe: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 22:00.06 | stew | JooZoo: you need to be more specific |
| 22:00.09 | cheal | jim__: if it uses etherconf, then dpkg-reconfigure etherconf. but I don't know |
| 22:00.13 | Draal_ | Brand new install of Debian on my notebook using XFCE and the DVD as an apt source (notebook has no internet connection). There is a known problem with XF86 that requires me to mess with the config file (XF86Config-4). I'm in the command prompt right now, but I don't know how to access the config file. Any help? |
| 22:00.13 | Mortalman | nyterukh: You can't mount your cdrom drive because you didn't give enough information to answer your question. |
| 22:00.38 | puff | I'm trying to dist-upgrade, it gets stuck in the "Preconfiguring packages" stage and doesn't seem to be disk accessing. |
| 22:00.39 | stew | Draal_: what is the problem you are trying to fix? |
| 22:00.44 | cheal | Draal_: the files is in /etc/X11/ |
| 22:00.49 | Update | i er bush say that its debian fault for all this hurricans because they have one on theyr logo |
| 22:00.57 | yes | Draal_: try $EDITOR |
| 22:01.00 | puff | What's the recommended steps to take now? |
| 22:01.05 | Update | nad it seems to be atrcting them |
| 22:01.08 | puff | I have the data backed up, so I can install from scratch... |
| 22:01.12 | Draal_ | Stew; someone else documented it.. I need to set Display info to False |
| 22:01.22 | nyterukh | k here goes when i first put the cd in it see's it then i go to setup the install...i select country an language..then it chks the hardware...and comes back cant mount cdrom |
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| 22:01.36 | Draal_ | I'm in Nano.. What do I do? |
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| 22:01.49 | yes | Draal_: write a better editor |
| 22:01.54 | Gnea | Draal_: type. |
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| 22:02.20 | stew | Draal_: the file is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , read the coments at the top before you edit it |
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| 22:03.05 | lopes | #debian es |
| 22:03.07 | Mortalman | nyterukh: Have your tried it with another cd ? |
| 22:03.09 | lopes | #debian-es |
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| 22:03.19 | yes | lopes: /j ? |
| 22:03.26 | mr_kreg | which pakage do you tell dpkg-reconfigure to get back to the debian based video controller setup? the one with the list of video chip drivers to try. |
| 22:03.37 | cheal | !drxx mr_kreg |
| 22:03.38 | yes | !drx |
| 22:03.39 | dpkg | mr_kreg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:03.39 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 22:03.47 | lopes | #debian-es/J |
| 22:03.50 | mr_kreg | thank you |
| 22:03.52 | cheal | !es |
| 22:03.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:03.54 | Mortalman | mr_kreg: xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 22:03.55 | nyterukh | i only have one deb install cd |
| 22:03.55 | yes | lopes: /j #debian-es |
| 22:03.58 | cheal | hum |
| 22:04.09 | mr_kreg | cheal what is drxx mean? |
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| 22:04.18 | cheal | mr_kreg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:04.18 | Draal_ | I can't seem to save changed to the XF86Config-4 file |
| 22:04.24 | Draal_ | changed text |
| 22:04.35 | fbi | Draal_: you have to be root to edit that file. |
| 22:04.42 | theeil | is there no nvidia-kernel-common package? |
| 22:04.43 | yes | Draal_: you are root? |
| 22:04.56 | mr_kreg | cheal i know, but what i meant was, what or who is the drxx that provided the auto help? |
| 22:04.56 | cheal | theeil: there is is contrib or non-free |
| 22:05.01 | Draal_ | I'm in recovery mode.. I don't believe so |
| 22:05.05 | cheal | s/is is/is in |
| 22:05.20 | yes | Draal_: mount rw,remount / ? |
| 22:05.25 | lopes | hi can i put printer in cups with out x windows |
| 22:05.31 | yes | Draal_: -o before rw |
| 22:05.32 | JooZoo | I wonder that is there way to "downgrade" existing messy Debian installation back to "starting point" where it was when I installed it with minimum configuration? |
| 22:05.43 | yes | lopes: sure |
| 22:05.43 | cheal | mr_kreg: uh? are you talking about the bot? |
| 22:05.51 | yes | !windows |
| 22:05.51 | dpkg | i heard windows is PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows they don't work. |
| 22:05.57 | Draal_ | Yes: What? |
| 22:05.59 | cheal | !x windows |
| 22:05.59 | dpkg | It's X dammit! A) The X Window System. B) X |
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| 22:06.09 | fbi | Draal_: you do realize that you don't have to boot recovery mode just to fix X, right? |
| 22:06.15 | Mortalman | nyterukh: Only 3 possibilities that I know of. 1) Your IDE controller is not supported(not that likely) OR 2) Your CDROM drive is starting to fail (less likely) OR 3) You have a bad copy of the disc (most likely) |
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| 22:06.20 | theeil | cheal: found it, thanks |
| 22:06.26 | stew | JooZoo: no there is not, other than a reinstall |
| 22:06.40 | Draal_ | fbi: Booting into regular mode just begins a loop where the system tries to constantly reload X |
| 22:06.48 | error403_ | could somebody please help me with cvs? when i try to log in remotely, i keep getting '/var/lib/cvs: no such repository', even though i have already done CVS init on it... |
| 22:07.01 | stew | JooZoo: you can purge and reinstall a package wipe your configuration and get the maintiner's configuration but that's probably not what you want |
| 22:07.16 | sandman | I cannot, for the life of me, get applications to appear in X when run from a chroot |
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| 22:07.32 | fbi | Draal_: probably because you are running gdm/xdm ? |
| 22:07.37 | nyterukh | ok mortal man ty |
| 22:07.37 | Draal_ | Xdm |
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| 22:07.48 | eeyore- | just about had it with #gentoo language-nazi |
| 22:07.49 | Draal_ | fbi: I didn't realize it was going to be a problem |
| 22:07.50 | theeil | are kernel modules backwards compatible? |
| 22:07.57 | fbi | Draal_: it's not a problem |
| 22:08.02 | Mortalman | nyterukh: no problem |
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| 22:08.13 | Draal_ | fbi: Well.. I can't log into my system, so it is |
| 22:08.15 | cheal | theeil: what do you mean? |
| 22:08.20 | fbi | Draal_: update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 22:08.21 | theeil | rather can i use an old module |
| 22:08.25 | Draal_ | Shell we just go ahead and kill the wetware then |
| 22:08.26 | indigirl1 | what is the web page url to make an apt.sources list? |
| 22:08.26 | Draal_ | ? |
| 22:08.44 | Draal_ | fbi: I'm already in recovery.. If I can repair X, I don't see a reason to |
| 22:08.47 | error403_ | do i need to change permissions on a directory for it to work with CVS? |
| 22:08.49 | Update | i love my new nick ppl are always talking about me :-) |
| 22:08.50 | nvz | indigirl1: there is a webpage url to make a apt.sources list? |
| 22:08.51 | JooZoo | No, I just wan clean my computer |
| 22:08.56 | cheal | theeil: whatever you mean, the answer is most likely no |
| 22:09.02 | nvz | indigirl1: I didnt even know there was a such thing as an apt.sources list. |
| 22:09.05 | liable | indigirl1: use apt-setup |
| 22:09.15 | nvz | indigirl1: perhaps you mean /etc/apt/sources.list and you use apt-setup |
| 22:09.21 | hackeron | sandman: well, X knows about applications with .desktop files in /usr/share/apps - copy them over from the chroot with ammended paths |
| 22:09.25 | fbi | Draal_: i'm just making a point, if you remove that, it won't be looping because you'll boot right into console. |
| 22:09.42 | Draal_ | fbi: I know.. But thats why we have recovery mode, right? |
| 22:09.44 | stew | iirc it shouldn't loop, it should drop you to a vt after trying 3 times |
| 22:10.04 | eeyore- | error403_: what do you mean? |
| 22:10.05 | nvz | stew: only if all 3 attempts cause a fatal server error |
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| 22:10.37 | indigirl1 | i just remember on one of these channels there was an oft referred url for a page to choose sites like nerim.net |
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| 22:11.09 | fbi | Draal_: i'm giving you a command that will help you, right now in recovery mode. whether or not you use it is entirely up to you. |
| 22:11.09 | nvz | which is stupid because the only correctable fatal server error I could think of is no CorePointer and the screen flashing 3 times isnt going to let the user know the problem to fix it |
| 22:11.14 | stew | indigirl1: apt-get.org |
| 22:11.21 | Draal_ | fbi: Thank you |
| 22:11.38 | nvz | it should just stop after a fatal error |
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| 22:11.55 | whitehorse1 | what is nerim.net btw, I heard the ftp repository referred to on LJ's Debian community, when I vsiited www.nerim.net though it was a French ISP or something? |
| 22:12.05 | whitehorse1 | maybe i typed it wrong? |
| 22:12.21 | stew | whitehorse1: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:12.27 | whitehorse1 | kk |
| 22:12.34 | indigirl1 | stew that page looks wrong |
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| 22:12.47 | nvz | whitehorse1: its ftp.nerim.net and you are probably thinking of Christian Marillat's repository at http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 22:13.06 | indigirl1 | whitehorse1: its for "illegal" ;) sources like dvd decryption |
| 22:13.18 | nvz | not that nerim.net has anything to do with Christian Marillat at all |
| 22:13.18 | whitehorse1 | stew | nvz that's the one yup. I checked w/dpkg - sounds funky! :D |
| 22:13.32 | Draal_ | Alright.. I'm in the X86Config-4 file and made my changes.. I'm logged in as root in recovery but I can't save my changes |
| 22:14.23 | whitehorse1 | Who's Christian Marillat, a senior upper-echelon Debian Developer/God ? |
| 22:14.23 | gravity | heh |
| 22:14.23 | indigirl1 | but now one of its links is complaining so i need to find a replacement |
| 22:14.23 | gravity | Not really, no |
| 22:14.23 | Draal_ | Using Nao and the "Cancelled" dialogue keeps appearing |
| 22:14.23 | nvz | whitehorse1: he's a DD. the rest is all in your head |
| 22:14.23 | Draal_ | Nano |
| 22:14.23 | kreg | anyone know what xfree driver to use with a ALi Magik 1 |
| 22:14.23 | whitehorse1 | nvz: Yes :P lol |
| 22:15.15 | cheal | whitehorse1: see /usr/share/doc/vlc/fortunes.txt.gz |
| 22:15.27 | whitehorse1 | He just sounded a bit of a character by the people describing him in a recent entry on the LJ debian community :). || cheal: will do |
| 22:15.36 | Draal_ | How the heck can I write changes to this config file? I logged into Debian Recovery Mode using my Root password, but it won't allow me to save changes |
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| 22:16.05 | cheal | Draal_: how come? |
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| 22:16.23 | nvz | I don't know what the fuck an LJ is, but sounds like an idiot to me |
| 22:16.32 | Draal_ | Cheal: I don't know.. When I try to exit and save changed, it just dumps me back into Nano with a new "Cancelled" dialogue |
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| 22:17.17 | fbi | Draal_: did you remount your / partition as rw? |
| 22:17.19 | cheal | Draal_: uh... do you have a way to try using any GNU console editor? |
| 22:17.32 | bnoji | Has anyone used mondo for backup? |
| 22:17.45 | bnoji | I was thinking, I could run mondo daily to create the set of iso images. |
| 22:17.46 | nvz | dpkg, anyone use? |
| 22:17.46 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 22:18.20 | Draal_ | Cheal: You mean emacs? |
| 22:18.38 | Unununium | What's the recommended way to use nameif in sarge? I'm having trouble with randomly-numbered NICs. |
| 22:18.46 | Draal_ | fbi: I don't know how |
| 22:18.48 | cheal | Draal_: hah. no. I use vi myself, but I'd recommend trying nano [first] |
| 22:18.52 | Draal_ | Not from the command line |
| 22:18.53 | indigirl1 | Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) Fetched 3B in 2s (1B/s) Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) Reading package lists... Done E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 22:18.58 | Unununium | Calling it from if-pre-up.d can't work |
| 22:18.59 | Draal_ | Cheal: I was just using Nano |
| 22:19.33 | Draal_ | Unununium: Hows that kernel-less OS coming along? |
| 22:19.36 | cheal | Draal_: I mean are you sure you know how to use nano and this is really a permissions issue? |
| 22:19.46 | Unununium | I wasn't aware I was writing a kernel-less OS. |
| 22:19.46 | indigirl1 | so what's up w/ marillat? |
| 22:19.54 | Unununium | Perhaps I *am* a kernel-less OS, but... :^) |
| 22:20.03 | Draal_ | Cheal: I know how to open and write to files |
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| 22:20.26 | whitehorse1 | nvz: It's an abbreviation of a 'blogging' portal; they're content management systems, in effect. Specifically, LiveJournal is an open-source project (acquired in Jan by CA-based Six Apart) based from LiveJournal.org. LiveJournal.com is their hosted service where people maintain journals/blogs and communities. It continues to have strong volunteer elements. The same team produces many tools available in Debian's repository (they're servers have |
| 22:20.26 | whitehorse1 | always run Debian & MySql etc) such as Memcache, Perlbal load balancer etc. So.. now ya know! :) |
| 22:20.27 | Draal_ | It just isn't letting me save changes to the config.. It just dumps me with a "Cancelled" message when I exit and try to save |
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| 22:20.30 | cheal | Draal_: ok, so do you have permission to write to that one? |
| 22:20.51 | whitehorse1 | indigal It's a key issue (marillat) |
| 22:20.57 | Draal_ | cheal: When I log into recovery mode, it asks me for my root password, which I give. |
| 22:21.05 | Draal_ | Assuming I am |
| 22:21.07 | dli | anyone here got Xorg troubles? |
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| 22:21.18 | Unununium | Yes, no drivers, hence I use the serial console :^) |
| 22:21.20 | Guerin | !tell dli about anyone] |
| 22:21.23 | Guerin | g'night kiddie |
| 22:21.26 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:21.29 | Guerin | stupid typing |
| 22:21.39 | whitehorse1 | indigirl - this explains it so I'll just paste it ;) http://www.livejournal.com/community/debian/264455.html |
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| 22:21.50 | Draal_ | Cheal: Any idea? This is rather annoying.. |
| 22:22.03 | dryerase | would ln -s some_script.pl /etc/cron/cron.daily/somescript.pl work? |
| 22:22.08 | indigirl1 | probably something with the name unstable |
| 22:22.09 | whitehorse1 | indigirl hope that helped ma'am |
| 22:22.17 | nvz | indigirl1: try http |
| 22:22.31 | cheal | Draal_: you need to make sure you can write to that file. like by renaming it |
| 22:22.33 | asuffield | dryerase: no |
| 22:22.34 | fbi | Draal_: recovery mode mounts / as read only. you need to remount it as rw. |
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| 22:22.41 | whatson | is there a console command to view what network interfaces are assigned to eth0,eth1,etc..? |
| 22:22.43 | whitehorse1 | nvz nope |
| 22:22.49 | gravity | Heh, I recognize that seriouslyguys guy |
| 22:22.51 | Draal_ | fbi: Oh.. Okay.. How do I do that? |
| 22:22.57 | Unununium | whatson: ifconfig? |
| 22:23.07 | nvz | I dont know why the hell people always come in here with problems with ftp. I didnt even know there was an ftp when I first tried it. |
| 22:23.14 | fbi | Draal_: man mount, look at -o |
| 22:23.26 | Draal_ | fbi: is that the command? |
| 22:23.33 | Unununium | cheal: you can rename files you can't write to |
| 22:23.35 | whatson | ty Unununium |
| 22:23.57 | cheal | Unununium: hum...really? |
| 22:24.05 | nvz | whitehorse1: nope what?! |
| 22:24.11 | fbi | Draal_: man mount |
| 22:24.13 | Unununium | Yeah, you can have "w" permission on the directory containing the file but not the file itself, for example |
| 22:24.15 | Draal_ | fbi: All it does is throw a list of commands I have absolutely no idea what to do with |
| 22:24.18 | nvz | indigirl1: also you have to say sid not unstable |
| 22:24.22 | fbi | you need to learn how to use man pages. |
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| 22:24.28 | Fashong | Hello |
| 22:24.42 | whitehorse1 | nvz nope she doesnt need to try http. it's more that indigirl needs to adjust the naming and ensure m's key is added to her trusted keyring |
| 22:24.43 | stew | cheal: yes if you have write access to the directory |
| 22:24.43 | Draal_ | fbi: Using that command, how do I remount my / directory? |
| 22:24.52 | fbi | </sigh> |
| 22:24.57 | Unununium | cheal: in such a case you should just make a copy of the file, delete the original, and rename the copy |
| 22:24.58 | whitehorse1 | nvz but she ignored what I said so I guess it doesnt matter. |
| 22:25.00 | Fashong | I have debain on my other computer and I wanted to know how to setup $_SERVER variables on my apache |
| 22:25.12 | fbi | Draal_: read the man page for mount. specifically, the -o section. |
| 22:25.20 | indigirl1 | whitehorse1: that page says something about toy story names. what is that? what do i use in place of unstable? |
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| 22:25.32 | indigirl1 | sid i suppose |
| 22:25.37 | whitehorse1 | indigirl Read.The.Comments. The answers are there |
| 22:25.47 | nvz | whitehorse1: so dont tell me, I dont care.. I dont even know wtf you are talking about. I know what I said works, I've tried it. its never needed any "keyring" whatever the fuck that is for me |
| 22:25.47 | cheal | Unununium/stew: huh. do we understand right that having the right to renaming implies the right to delete? |
| 22:25.50 | Draal_ | fbi: is it possible to remove xdm from recovery mode? |
| 22:26.03 | Unununium | This nameif issue... has a Sarge-compatible solution been found? I saw some discussion on a debian mailing list but it didn't produce a *working* solution |
| 22:26.07 | whitehorse1 | nvz: thats because they werent always signed |
| 22:26.15 | fbi | Draal_: i'm guessing no, because you can't write to the partition |
| 22:26.15 | indigirl1 | i did read the comments thats where it says it |
| 22:26.18 | Unununium | cheal: renaming and deleting are just modifying the containing directory |
| 22:26.31 | stew | cheal: yes, they are both requiring write access to the parent dir, doens' tmatter what the file perms are |
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| 22:26.39 | fbi | Draal_: right now, you need to get / remounted. |
| 22:26.42 | Guerin | Draal_: anything is possible in recovery |
| 22:26.43 | indigirl1 | what is etch? |
| 22:26.48 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: what about it? you just run nameif if there's a mactab somewhere |
| 22:26.49 | stew | cheal: try this, touch foo; chmod 000 foo ; mv foo foo1 ; rm foo1 |
| 22:26.52 | Guerin | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 22:26.55 | thingfish | !etch |
| 22:26.55 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 22:26.59 | whitehorse1 | indigirl: It's deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main [OR SID IN YOUR CASE :p] and he signs his packages and apt pays attention to that now. You have to add his key to your trusted keyring, like so: # gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --no-default-keyring --recv-key 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 22:27.14 | Fashong | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.17 | Draal_ | Guerin: Thank you, but fbi is trying to teach me a lesson |
| 22:27.17 | Unununium | dondelelcaro: this has to happen after the drivers are loaded but before the cards are configured |
| 22:27.24 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: clearly |
| 22:27.37 | whitehorse1 | etch = testing (used by me) and Sid = 'unstable' (used by you - according to you earlier) and sarge = stable |
| 22:27.40 | pureone | Fashong: thats a php varible is it not?... check phpinfo(); |
| 22:27.45 | Unununium | But the drivers are loaded as a side effect of configuring them!!! |
| 22:27.50 | Unununium | them = the cards |
| 22:27.53 | nvz | whitehorse1: they arent now either optiplex:/home/nvz# apt-get update \n Get:1 http://ftp.nerim.net sarge/main Packages [19.5kB] \n Get:2 http://ftp.nerim.net sarge/main Release [128B] \n Fetched 19.6kB in 4s (4883B/s) \n Reading Package Lists... Done |
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| 22:28.02 | Fashong | yes |
| 22:28.03 | Fashong | its php |
| 22:28.04 | Legind | does alsa run a daemon somewhere? xmms' asla output plugin doesn't seem to be working for me |
| 22:28.07 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: so load the drivers beforehand |
| 22:28.18 | Fashong | I do not know how to turn it on |
| 22:28.21 | fbi | Legind: did you install alsa? |
| 22:28.23 | Fashong | the $_SERVER vars |
| 22:28.33 | Unununium | How can I ask that all network card driver modules for NICs I actually have, be inserted? |
| 22:28.38 | Legind | i installed alsa-base and alsa-util but there was no alsa package |
| 22:28.48 | Guerin | Legind: no, but other sound daemons, like esd and arts, can stop alsa from working |
| 22:28.49 | whitehorse1 | indigirl You said you were using Sid, you're using Sarge? Ok well if you're happy continue :) Is the issue you had resolved? |
| 22:29.00 | debianuser | hello, how can i make a ssl certificate for my apache server ? i found something about mod-ssl-makecert command but didin't find that command... can someone help me with this ? |
| 22:29.04 | indigirl1 | nvz: what are you saying? i don't understand your message? |
| 22:29.33 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: by including them in /etc/modules or similar. |
| 22:29.40 | nvz | indigirl1: your sources line should read "deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main" |
| 22:29.50 | indigirl1 | whitehorse1: i'm using unstable. i think you said that translates to sid |
| 22:29.59 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: once you've loaded them once, you'll know what they are because they'll show up in lsmod |
| 22:30.09 | whitehorse1 | indigirl - yes thats it :) ps don't forget the key thing I mentioned |
| 22:30.15 | Unununium | dondelelcaro: but that means I have to explicitly list the drivers I expect to need. this doesn't work when I have multiple machines, not all with the same set of NIC hardware |
| 22:30.15 | nvz | indigirl1: you should just read the info on http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ instead of that fucktard shit he is posting. |
| 22:30.16 | Update | ppl are blaming debian because its logo resembles a hurricane fro above |
| 22:30.17 | cheal | stew: so that means someone that has write permission on a dir has total control on all the files that are inside, right? |
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| 22:30.24 | Legind | fbi, i installed alsa-base and alsa-util but there was no alsa package, and i have kernel >2.6, do i need to install anything else |
| 22:30.25 | nvz | whitehorse1: I dont know what the hell that livejournal is but sounds like another fucktard thing like /. and its not accepted over the truth here. Like I said, I tested what I've said. |
| 22:30.42 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: uh, you're going to have to specify the mac addresses anyway to do the type of ordering that you're trying to do |
| 22:30.48 | Fashong | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.57 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: so the "I've got multiple machines" argument doesn't really hold too much water |
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| 22:31.01 | Draal_ | I've tried two commands to remound the drive, neither seems to work |
| 22:31.06 | Unununium | This machine is funny... it programs (or tries to program) the MAC address of its cards based on the system's serial number... :^) |
| 22:31.10 | Guerin | Fashong: #apache |
| 22:31.12 | Draal_ | remount the directory... |
| 22:31.12 | whitehorse1 | nvz: IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ THE SCREEN you'd have seen it explained already. QUIT the profanities and quit showing your ignorance. "Thanks" |
| 22:31.20 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: so disable that crap |
| 22:31.27 | Fashong | thanks |
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| 22:31.43 | indigirl1 | nvz whitehorse1 thanks to both |
| 22:31.43 | Draal_ | Would someone mind just cutting it and giving me the proper command? Guerins didn't work and the one I abstracted from that long command list (thanks fbi) didn't either |
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| 22:31.48 | Unununium | I think that's an OpenBoot setting... |
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| 22:31.51 | gan|y|med | hi all. |
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| 22:31.55 | whitehorse1 | indigirl A pleasure :) |
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| 22:31.56 | nvz | whitehorse1: you're the ignorant one. http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat is the authority on http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 22:32.04 | nvz | and it says exactly how to set it up |
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| 22:32.32 | whitehorse1 | nvz: well I didn't know you could paste a URL that obviously makes you smart and right and not a fucktard as you appeared. |
| 22:32.38 | Guerin | !wayttd Draal_ |
| 22:32.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Draal_? |
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| 22:32.53 | dondelelcaro | whitehorse1, nvz: take your argument elsewhere, please. |
| 22:32.56 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: did you use ati's installer / rpm ? |
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| 22:33.11 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: alternatively, you can restrict /etc/network/interfaces to operating on a specific mac address instead of trying to tweak the order in which the interfaces are defined |
| 22:33.18 | whitehorse1 | debianuser: If you're still around later & need the SSL cert info I can scan a page in for you perhaps; which gives a really useful brief explanation |
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| 22:33.31 | Unununium | dondelelcaro: how? |
| 22:33.41 | Draal_ | Guerin: I'm trying to reconfig X so that it works properly with my system. Regular mode sends me into an endless loop because of xdm (and X can't display without popping errors) so I logged into recovery |
| 22:33.48 | nvz | my argument is done. nobody knows better that C. Marillat on how to setup his repo, and I know he's right cause I tried it before I commented. there are no signed keys nessicary to access it |
| 22:33.54 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: man 5 interfaces; and see the example of get-mac-address.sh in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 22:33.57 | gan|y|med | no. i used to way. one with alien + rpm and dpkg, one with some debian packages from the debian fglrx "how to" |
| 22:34.02 | Draal_ | Guerin: But recovery is read only, so I need to remount the / directory as read/write |
| 22:34.04 | Unununium | dondelelcaro: I'm already there |
| 22:34.08 | gan|y|med | the latter is active right now |
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| 22:34.33 | indigirl1 | yea that fixed apt |
| 22:34.54 | liable | Draal_: why dont you just boot into normal, and change tty's? |
| 22:35.19 | Guerin | Draal_: and mount -o rw,remount /; doesn't work? |
| 22:35.24 | indigirl1 | i wonder why it tells me every time on an upgrade that vim is held back |
| 22:35.26 | Draal_ | liable: because normal mode sends me for an endless cycle of trying to boot X, sending me an error message, trying to reboot X, send me an error message, etc, etc |
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| 22:35.40 | Guerin | Draal_: you didn't answer his question |
| 22:35.44 | liable | Draal_: even on tty2? |
| 22:35.48 | Legind | Guerin, arts isn't installed and esd is disabled, but alsa still doesnt work. alsa-base should be sufficient for alsa to work, or no? |
| 22:35.56 | Draal_ | liablo: tty? |
| 22:36.00 | Guerin | how would that prevent you from using another console? |
| 22:36.14 | gan|y|med | plz do not kill me for this... here is what is in my log: |
| 22:36.15 | gan|y|med | (II) fglrx(0): Acceleration enabled |
| 22:36.15 | gan|y|med | (II) fglrx(0): X context handle = 0x00000001 |
| 22:36.15 | gan|y|med | (II) fglrx(0): [DRI] installation complete |
| 22:36.16 | gan|y|med | (II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled |
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| 22:36.21 | dspstv | hiya, anyone succesfully running wireless ipw2100 under kernel 2.6.13,,, could you share how to get this working? sources and extras, etc.. |
| 22:36.22 | liable | heh, liablo, i like it.. |
| 22:36.22 | Guerin | Legind: no. you need modules loaded for your sound card, and you need oss modules NOT loaded |
| 22:36.23 | gan|y|med | sry |
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| 22:36.32 | Guerin | gan|y|med: read the goddamn topic |
| 22:36.38 | Draal_ | Guerin: It prevents me from using the console, never lets me access it because it is constantly trying to boot into X |
| 22:36.39 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: try starting X as root, if you hae direct rendering then, then you forgot to use the default DRI section in 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86/xorg' ( |
| 22:36.51 | bnoji | Should I even bother with incremental backups or run a full one each day? |
| 22:36.54 | liable | Draal_: ctr+alt+F2 |
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| 22:37.03 | Oliver-Beograd | somebody use AYTTM / |
| 22:37.15 | Draal_ | liablo: I'll try that |
| 22:37.16 | Guerin | Draal_: in any case, regarding the mount line. What response does it give? |
| 22:37.17 | Legind | Guerin, do you know if alsaconf does this? |
| 22:37.22 | gan|y|med | well, it is hard to find support if my problem has to be on the topic... isn't it |
| 22:37.28 | Draal_ | Guerin: It says drive is already mounted or busy |
| 22:37.29 | Guerin | Legind: alsaconf can do it. You need alsa-utils for that. |
| 22:37.33 | liable | !tell Draal_ about nicktab |
| 22:37.44 | gan|y|med | no id on not have dri support as root |
| 22:37.50 | Guerin | Draal_: what does mount -f; say about it? |
| 22:37.52 | Oliver-Beograd | I find package AYTTM on Deb distro and I cant use with my webcam , so if someone now something... |
| 22:37.52 | gan|y|med | do not |
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| 22:38.01 | Draal_ | Guerin: One second |
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| 22:38.05 | Legind | Guerin, i've already run it, and it found the correct sound card too |
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| 22:38.30 | Guerin | Legind: what does /proc/asound/cards say? |
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| 22:39.19 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: you're confusing something, you DO have DRI, you do NOT have h/w accelerated gl/glx |
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| 22:39.53 | revenger4 | does anyone use alevt? it reads data from /dev/vbi0 but doesn't display anything.. |
| 22:40.11 | Legind | Guerin, 0 [CMI8738MC3]: CMI8783-MC6 - C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6 |
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| 22:40.33 | Guerin | Legind: what happens when you cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp;? |
| 22:40.44 | Guerin | Legind: error, or not? |
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| 22:41.27 | Legind | gives me static |
| 22:41.35 | Guerin | Legind: your sound is working perfectly. |
| 22:41.36 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: i think your libGLwhatever is fucked, maybe due to your 'failed' installation try earilier with atis rpm or maybe you didnt install that package 'ldd glxgears' or 'ldd glxinfo' will show what its linking against. |
| 22:41.40 | gan|y|med | ok, that plz help me out. i have installed the gl/glx fglrx lib. but it is using the 2d mesa library anyway. i cannot remove the xlibmesa-gl because hundrets of packages depend on it. |
| 22:41.50 | dli | valdyn_, got more ideas about xorg troubles in testing? |
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| 22:41.54 | dryerase | asuffield won't work huh? what do I use instead? |
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| 22:42.12 | valdyn_ | dli: no idea, your errors from yesterday seemed way obscure |
| 22:42.12 | Legind | Guerin, hmm maybe it's a problem with the xmms output plugin then? |
| 22:42.21 | Guerin | Legind: probably. Use the OSS output. |
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| 22:42.24 | eeyore- | ok now this is weeeeird. watching your own imminent demise? http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/22/airliner.emergency.ap/index.html |
| 22:42.33 | Guerin | eeyore-: heh, just reading that |
| 22:42.34 | gan|y|med | my module compiled fine and works without any messages about unresolved symbols or sth. and it is started when i start x.org |
| 22:42.37 | Draal_ | Guerin: I am just oh so confused.. |
| 22:42.44 | eeyore- | let's see. live news -> satellite -> in-cabin television? |
| 22:42.50 | Guerin | eeyore-: Welcome to Through The Looking Glass Airlines |
| 22:42.57 | dli | valdyn_, indeed, I have two debian boxes now, after upgrading to xorg, both show different problems with x-forwarding |
| 22:42.57 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: and dont even try to remove xlibmesa-gl, that is nonsense |
| 22:43.04 | Legind | Guerin, I need alsa-oss for that right |
| 22:43.04 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: im not talking about your kernel module |
| 22:43.11 | eeyore- | Guerin: it's kind of wild actually :) |
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| 22:43.17 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: b/c that module is obviously working fine |
| 22:43.24 | eeyore- | Guerin: but i can see how you would be apprehensive if your own butt is on the line |
| 22:43.27 | Guerin | Legind: you already have alsa's oss emulation working, else /dev/dsp wouldn't work |
| 22:43.41 | Legind | ok |
| 22:43.51 | billions | can anyone help me re-install my grub loader from the debian install cd? |
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| 22:44.11 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: now you run ldd glxgears, look for what it is linking against and run dpkg -S <that libGLwhatever> |
| 22:44.29 | Draal_ | Guerin: Could you just take me step by step in remounting a drive in Recovery mode to be read/write? |
| 22:44.36 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: yes, that is what i mean. so what is the goddamn problem with these mesa drivers...? |
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| 22:44.38 | dli | billions, does grub-install work? or grub --install |
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| 22:44.52 | asuffield | dryerase: something else? that command creates a self-referential link |
| 22:44.52 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: they are not your problem, period |
| 22:44.52 | nvz | the ontop behavior of XFCE4-panel is gross. it assumes that all applications behave like the built-in xfce apps or that people want that fugly thing over their windows. luckily the layer is at least configurable |
| 22:44.56 | tbx | msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:45.00 | tbx | !msg dpkg marillat |
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| 22:45.12 | nvz | tbx: /msg |
| 22:45.18 | tbx | nvz: d'oh! |
| 22:45.27 | Guerin | Draal_: there is no step. The line I gave you should work, if it's not already mounted rw. You didn't check mount -f yet, or if you did, you didn't telll me. |
| 22:45.28 | gan|y|med | ldd glxgears gives me: file or directory not found |
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| 22:45.43 | billions | dli: nope ...I haven't mounted the linux partition yet |
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| 22:46.04 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: ldd /usr/bin/glxgears |
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| 22:46.23 | Draal_ | Guerin: Mount -f says... "/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 22:46.24 | billions | dli: my problem so far is trying to mount the linux partition - I don't know what in /dev I am supposed to be mounting\ |
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| 22:46.34 | Guerin | Draal_: it's already mounted rw, move along. |
| 22:46.38 | dli | billions, if you already have a linux installation, boot it with the debian cd using " root=/dev/hda3 " or something like that, you need to know your root partition |
| 22:46.39 | Guerin | Draal_: as i said. |
| 22:46.51 | Draal_ | Guerin: but its still not letting me write to the blasted config file |
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| 22:47.01 | Guerin | Draal_: you have other problems, then. |
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| 22:47.20 | billions | dli: ok...I will reboot the install cd |
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| 22:47.23 | dli | billions, I think you can type a command like "fdisk /dev/hda" |
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| 22:47.38 | thingfish | boy, seems like a major load of security updates today for sarge. or maybe it was yesterday; I think I skipped checking for updates yesterday. |
| 22:47.38 | ilpavox | anyone install ipw2200 load it up and it works, then restart and it does not work anymore? |
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| 22:48.05 | dli | ilpavox, if it doesn't work, try "modprobe ipw2200" first |
| 22:48.25 | gan|y|med | it's not there. i am searching. i have run glxgears, just to see if it still there: do 1241f/s indicate 3d acceleration |
| 22:48.37 | ilpavox | i did. it's already loaded.. i modprobe -r ipw2200, modprobe 2200, no difference |
| 22:48.40 | liable | ilpavox: are the modules loaded? |
| 22:48.53 | dli | ilpavox, if it works after modprobe, you may run "modconf" to fix this problem |
| 22:49.01 | gan|y|med | ? |
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| 22:49.11 | Draal_ | fbi, liable, Guerin: Thank you.. Now I will access fdisk and reformat the entire hard drive. |
| 22:49.11 | valdyn_ | !find usr/bin/glxgears |
| 22:49.13 | Draal_ | Have a nice day |
| 22:49.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/bin/glxgears' returned no results. |
| 22:49.43 | billions | dli: so what am I supposed to enter at the press ENTER to boot prompt |
| 22:49.46 | gan|y|med | well, i guess i should look for libGL.so.1? |
| 22:49.52 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: ops, my bad, /usr/X11R6/bin/glxgears |
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| 22:50.07 | gan|y|med | if found it |
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| 22:50.18 | ilpavox | if i dhclient eth1, does not work |
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| 22:50.34 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: ldd shows the full patch to that library, run dpkg -S on that |
| 22:50.36 | nvz | eeyore-: heh the headlines today are all pretty funny if you ask me.. |
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| 22:50.42 | ilpavox | also /etc/init.d/networking restart does not make a difference |
| 22:50.51 | dli | billions, do you know your root partition? |
| 22:51.23 | Legind | Guerin, oh stupid me. xmms was trying to play a file that doesnt' exist! haha sometimes its the simplest things |
| 22:51.23 | billions | dli: pretty sure it's hda3 |
| 22:51.25 | EdgEy | can i change the "boot up" screen of xorg? the black/white screen that comes up for like half a second before gdm or whatever loads |
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| 22:51.51 | dli | billions, I don't remember it for sure, but I think it's something like F3 to rescue |
| 22:52.07 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: got it, so i guess i have to restart now? |
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| 22:52.23 | dli | billions, choose a kernel for custom booting, and supply the parameter " root=/dev/hda3" |
| 22:52.27 | boo | If I disconnect the ethernet cable between my debian/xp machines, they won't see eachother again after being reconnected unless I reboot the linux machine.. Is there some way to do this without rebooting? |
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| 22:53.17 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: restart? why the hell? |
| 22:53.28 | abrotman | boo: restart the nmbd maybe? |
| 22:53.34 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: what was the result of that dpkg -S operation ? |
| 22:54.11 | boo | abrotman: How would I do this? |
| 22:54.23 | billions | dli: !_! ...kernel panic: unable to mount root fs |
| 22:54.27 | abrotman | boo: /etc/init.d/nmbd restart ? |
| 22:54.34 | abrotman | boo: you're using samba right ? |
| 22:54.36 | boo | abrotman: Oh, no |
| 22:54.40 | abrotman | no? |
| 22:54.44 | boo | abrotman: Just masqing between the two |
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| 22:54.56 | abrotman | wait .. they can't ping each other? |
| 22:55.01 | boo | correct |
| 22:55.05 | Kerr | geh ~.~ |
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| 22:55.15 | abrotman | boo: /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
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| 22:55.18 | cheal | hey abrotman, about the kde factoid, I'm not forcing you to teach me english, but in case you forgot, I'd appreciate that you tell me what I wrote wrong before I teach dpkg more crap. |
| 22:55.18 | boo | done it |
| 22:55.38 | abrotman | cheal: or ask your questions about it to #debian-kde |
| 22:55.57 | abrotman | boo: no good ? |
| 22:56.03 | abrotman | boo: you ping by IP or name ? |
| 22:56.09 | boo | abrotman: IP |
| 22:56.14 | abrotman | ok .. that's just odd :) |
| 22:56.17 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: hmm? |
| 22:56.36 | cheal | abrotman: damn...I don't see anything wrong there |
| 22:56.41 | abrotman | boo: does arp help at all ? |
| 22:56.50 | Kerr | my ssh/screen/irssi keeps freezing out, randomly but never more than a few hours from the last freeze... leaving me looking at a frozen irssi window, and disconnecting me from the irc sercers i'm on (even localhost).. occasionaly i even have to kill the sshd to reattatch to the screen. What is going on, and how can i fix it :-/ ? |
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| 22:56.55 | abrotman | cheal: ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 22:57.00 | boo | abrotman: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 22:57.05 | cheal | oh...I see |
| 22:57.07 | ilpavox | just found a quick fix. if i remove ipw2200 from the kernel with modcongf, then add it back it works. any idea what is going on? |
| 22:57.15 | kl0ck | hey, im having trouble with the install on another machine |
| 22:57.18 | ilpavox | *modconf |
| 22:57.33 | abrotman | boo: man arp .. it may yield clues ... or perhaps oh wait .. i wonder if .. which is the router ? |
| 22:57.45 | kl0ck | it can find my network gateway |
| 22:57.49 | cheal | dpkg: kde =~ s/to/in/ |
| 22:57.49 | dpkg | OK, cheal |
| 22:57.51 | kl0ck | but i can ping it from other machine |
| 22:57.54 | cheal | abrotman: thanks |
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| 22:58.04 | abrotman | cheal: bad move |
| 22:58.10 | jlil | laible |
| 22:58.25 | abrotman | cheal: check the factoid again |
| 22:58.28 | cheal | abrotman: ...I'll fix it |
| 22:58.28 | jlil | liable |
| 22:58.31 | abrotman | cheal: your bot-fu is weak :) |
| 22:58.51 | cheal | abrotman: heh...what does bot-fu mean now? |
| 22:58.53 | boo | abrotman: This machine is the router, the other is xp. And the NIC's light isn't even on unless i reboot this machine now |
| 22:58.58 | abrotman | cheal: bot-skills |
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| 22:59.11 | abrotman | boo: does ifconfig -a show it ? |
| 22:59.21 | abrotman | wait .. can you ping each other right now ? |
| 22:59.29 | cheal | abrotman: ok, I found it in Jargon. thanks |
| 22:59.33 | Gnea | cheal: he means you're uneducated in the ways of utilizing bots ;) |
| 22:59.33 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:59.44 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: sry, was busy elsewhere |
| 22:59.44 | boo | abrotman: Yes, this machines eth is up and running fine |
| 22:59.55 | abrotman | boo: and you can ping the windows box? |
| 23:00.00 | cheal | Gnea: bots are like women for geeks |
| 23:00.05 | boo | abrotman: No. They don't see eachother at all. |
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| 23:00.16 | gan|y|med | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.16 | abrotman | boo: the routing table is ok ? |
| 23:00.28 | cheal | Gnea: for heterosexual man geeks, of course... |
| 23:00.50 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: ok, that does look fine then. |
| 23:00.57 | boo | abrotman: No changes at all. In fact, it only happens when i remove the cable and plug it back in, or make a change that restarts the other NIC. And the only fix i've found i rebooting this machine |
| 23:01.10 | gan|y|med | i jsut mean restart the x server? or is it already running with 3d acceleration and it is just showing false info? |
| 23:01.38 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: we didnt change anything so i dont know what could have been fixed, can you run 'sudo glxinfo' ? |
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| 23:01.52 | abrotman | boo: so .. restarting networking does nothing . the eth1(?) is up and working .. but the light is off ? |
| 23:01.57 | jim | boo: there's about 5 things (or more, not sure) that can produce what you're experiencing: bad cable, bad card, bad hub, bad ifconfig, bad route |
| 23:02.18 | wonder | does debian support amd64? |
| 23:02.18 | abrotman | why! |
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| 23:02.23 | abrotman | wonder: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 23:02.28 | jim | any one of those could cause the boxes to not see each other at all |
| 23:02.35 | Unununium | Is there a channel for sparc64 Debian? |
| 23:02.39 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 23:02.39 | dpkg | i guess sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 23:02.51 | Unununium | Heh, thanks |
| 23:02.58 | jim | so, you have to at least narrow it down so poor ol abrotman can help you more effectively |
| 23:03.15 | jim | ruling some of those out would be a good thing too |
| 23:03.17 | abrotman | well .. at least it's not name based problems :) |
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| 23:03.38 | abrotman | i wonder if the kernel sees that eth1 lost its connection .. and then stops the masq stuff ? |
| 23:03.48 | jim | any of it's fairly easy to fix once you -know- what it is |
| 23:03.51 | gan|y|med | ok, but i cant interprete it... |
| 23:04.03 | billions | can somebody please help me re-install grub boot loader from a deb install cd? dpkg was very helpfull but I can't find my partition in /dev to mount =( |
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| 23:04.34 | valdyn_ | billions: you can run 'fdisk -l' ? |
| 23:04.43 | boo | abrotman: I've restarted networking, i've restarted all masq rules. The odd thing is the NIC light is out. |
| 23:04.49 | jim | billions: you wouldn't be able to install grub without knowing which partn is your / partn |
| 23:04.54 | abrotman | boo: did the driver crash ? |
| 23:04.55 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: it is still showing the mesa driver... |
| 23:05.06 | abrotman | boo: as in .. is hte module still loaded ? |
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| 23:05.29 | jim | boo: any chance you can rule out hardware fail? |
| 23:05.34 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: ok.. 'grep glx /var/log/XFree86.0.log' |
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| 23:05.36 | abrotman | ravenbird: you came back! |
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| 23:05.40 | ravenbird | abrotman: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:05.40 | billions | ok so how do I find out my root partition then? I can't run fdisk valdyn_ |
| 23:05.42 | kl0ck | hey, I am having trouble with the install. The installer detects the card but cant locate my gateway. I can ping it from other machines and im having a fit trying to get it to work. :) |
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| 23:05.57 | gan|y|med | but ldd shows that it is linked against the mesa, not the fglrx lib... |
| 23:06.04 | abrotman | kl0ck: using dhcp ? |
| 23:06.16 | boo | abrotman: How would I check? lsmod? |
| 23:06.23 | kl0ck | abrotman: I tried it, but it says it failed |
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| 23:06.29 | abrotman | boo: yep |
| 23:06.31 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: paste the output somewhere |
| 23:06.34 | abrotman | kl0ck: and manually ? |
| 23:06.42 | gan|y|med | this is what i get (excerpt): Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a <-- mesa... |
| 23:06.49 | kl0ck | abrotman: same thing, cant find the gateway |
| 23:06.51 | boo | jim: different cables work, different nics have the same problem |
| 23:06.52 | gan|y|med | ? |
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| 23:07.09 | gan|y|med | can't i jsut link this file to the fglrx one? |
| 23:07.25 | abrotman | kl0ck: is the card even up and running ? |
| 23:07.31 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: no way, you're not supposed to fuck with anything manually |
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| 23:07.40 | jim | boo: about cables... could you explain further how you ruled them out? I think I see, but I want to make sure |
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| 23:07.51 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: paste the complete output.. |
| 23:07.54 | gan|y|med | uuuuuuuppppppppssssssss........ |
| 23:07.56 | kl0ck | abrotman: it is, the lights are on and everything. I can ping to the machine from other machines on the network |
| 23:07.56 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: and not here |
| 23:08.06 | abrotman | kl0ck: invalid netmask ? |
| 23:08.14 | zerve_the_death | kl0ck:ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.4 broadcast 192.168.0.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:08.21 | gan|y|med | where then... channel... |
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| 23:08.23 | boo | jim: I used a different cable altogether. |
| 23:08.36 | valdyn_ | !tell gan|y|med -about paste |
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| 23:08.41 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: or #flood |
| 23:08.46 | jim | so what you're saying is both cables worked in different situations? |
| 23:08.47 | kl0ck | zerve_the_death: ill try it |
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| 23:09.11 | abrotman | boo: when you can't ping the other machine .. can you ping that card's IP ? |
| 23:09.29 | zerve_the_death | a ok sorry |
| 23:09.30 | boo | jim: Both cables work and fail exactly the same. |
| 23:09.49 | jim | ok, that rules out the cables... now the cards? |
| 23:09.50 | fken | stew : hello again : something strange : when i boot my sytem with a cdrom in my cdrom drive /etc/scs0 is created |
| 23:09.59 | testUser | hi |
| 23:10.02 | abrotman | boo: oh .. i know what it is .. Larry Walls hates your computer! :) |
| 23:10.13 | boo | cards, i just switched nics.. both have multiple |
| 23:10.19 | abrotman | boo: when you can't ping the other machine .. can you ping that card's IP ? |
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| 23:10.41 | boo | abrotman: I pinged the internal address.. 192.168.4.1 |
| 23:10.49 | jim | ok, can you definitively say they worked, say, in the same machine but different OS, maybe? |
| 23:10.52 | abrotman | and the other machine is 4.2 ? |
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| 23:11.06 | gan|y|med | did u receive it? |
| 23:11.09 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:11.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:11.12 | abrotman | jim: sorry :) |
| 23:11.19 | boo | correct |
| 23:11.49 | boo | abrotman: anyway i'm not sure about lsmod, i see 3c59x 39208 0 |
| 23:12.14 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: nope |
| 23:12.18 | abrotman | boo: what if you remove the module .. then put it back |
| 23:12.33 | fken | but this shit still refuse to work |
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| 23:12.41 | abrotman | laxatives |
| 23:12.43 | gan|y|med | i used the form. ok, i am trying with #flood |
| 23:12.48 | boo | abrotman: heh give me a few, never removed a module |
| 23:13.03 | abrotman | boo: modprobe -r |
| 23:13.12 | gan|y|med | i pasted it there... |
| 23:13.18 | abrotman | simonrvn: stop with the crazy nick changing! |
| 23:13.25 | simonrvn | go ahead and tell me to make up my mind if you like ;) |
| 23:13.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:13.33 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: if you used a form, then you have to paste the url to that here.. |
| 23:13.37 | fken | abrotman: yeah cdrom drives are laxatives |
| 23:13.48 | gan|y|med | it is in #föood anyway |
| 23:13.48 | fken | abrotman:hello btw |
| 23:13.56 | eeyore- | i thought simonrvn = simon, ravenous |
| 23:13.57 | gan|y|med | flood, sry |
| 23:13.58 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:14.00 | testUser | help |
| 23:14.01 | kl0ck | zerve_the_death: I did that, now when i run ifconfig lo doesnt show up, and now I cant ping the machine, still no dice |
| 23:14.04 | nvz | simonrvn: welcome back :P |
| 23:14.05 | abrotman | eeyore-: no .. /whois |
| 23:14.44 | nvz | or /lastlog simonrvn 5 |
| 23:14.50 | eeyore- | abrotman: there was a mythbusters show on last night and one of the guys on the show was "North East West". |
| 23:14.58 | simonrvn | eeyore-: nope, the bird. short story, but i don't permit myself to share the story openly, due to its spiritual nature |
| 23:15.01 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's just .. wrong |
| 23:15.03 | fken | i am wondering if a simple apt-get install reinstall linux-image-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 would be enough to help me |
| 23:15.11 | eeyore- | abrotman: "Hi, I'm North East West" |
| 23:15.17 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: ok.. you forgot something when following flavios instructions, need your whole XFree86.0.log, your whole XF86Config-4 |
| 23:15.24 | abrotman | eeyore-: did he marry a girl named South ? |
| 23:15.25 | simonrvn | "hi, i'm new" |
| 23:15.28 | fken | does the nvidia drivers require to recompile the kernel ? |
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| 23:15.41 | simonrvn | "my girlfriend and i do the NEWS" |
| 23:16.00 | boo | abrotman: seems it did something, checking if it's fixed now |
| 23:16.01 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: u mean xorg.conf... ? shall i just paste in #flood? |
| 23:16.01 | fken | abrotman : was her first name carolina ? |
| 23:16.09 | eeyore- | simonrvn: one of our contractor is one-letter shy of TAMPON |
| 23:16.10 | abrotman | no |
| 23:16.14 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: better use some paste site |
| 23:16.15 | simonrvn | eeee |
| 23:16.16 | valdyn_ | !paste |
| 23:16.16 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 23:16.22 | gan|y|med | X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Debian 6.8.2.dfsg.1-6 20050831134411 @squee) |
| 23:16.23 | gan|y|med | Release Date: 9 February 2005 |
| 23:16.23 | gan|y|med | X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2 |
| 23:16.23 | gan|y|med | Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.12-1-686 i686 [ELF] |
| 23:16.24 | gan|y|med | Current Operating System: Linux ganymed 2.6.8.1 #1 Sun Feb 27 18:44:06 CET 2005 i686 |
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| 23:16.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:16.27 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 23:16.29 | valdyn_ | haha |
| 23:16.31 | eeyore- | simonrvn: his initials are TMPON right now |
| 23:16.34 | simonrvn | duh :) |
| 23:16.37 | simonrvn | eeyore-: ok |
| 23:16.38 | dregan | is there some way to chroot ftp users to their home dirs using wu-ftpd? |
| 23:16.39 | abrotman | !tell gan|y|med about u |
| 23:16.40 | fken | abrotman: oh ... I confused |
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| 23:17.01 | abrotman | dregan: in the docs . it hsould cover it .. i know proftpd can |
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| 23:18.01 | simonrvn | mmm, me hungry |
| 23:18.12 | simonrvn | i really am... gonna go eat =) |
| 23:18.20 | dregan | yup - tried to install proftpd but apt-get failed for me, wu-ftpd is what I have and I have searched docs but I seem to be missing something<g> |
| 23:18.30 | abrotman | google? |
| 23:18.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: what's that stuff called again? |
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| 23:18.54 | abrotman | ah |
| 23:18.56 | abrotman | !poutine |
| 23:18.56 | dpkg | http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg |
| 23:18.58 | boo | abrotman: You're my hero of the day. removing, readding, restarting networking and it's all good |
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| 23:19.10 | abrotman | boo: seems a bit much though .. i wonder what's wrong with it |
| 23:19.12 | x64 | whats the default data directory of mysql if i install via apt-get? |
| 23:19.20 | abrotman | /var/lib/mysql .. probably |
| 23:19.26 | abrotman | ick .. poutine |
| 23:19.26 | x64 | thanks |
| 23:19.28 | fken | rebooting see ya |
| 23:19.41 | abrotman | x64: did you check the /etc/mysql/my.cnf or whatever it is |
| 23:19.43 | boo | abrotman: Indeed. I have no clue. It's like it thinks it's gone. |
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| 23:20.22 | gentooguy | hello |
| 23:20.23 | x64 | its /var/lib/mysql :D |
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| 23:20.33 | gentooguy | is anyone here? |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | no |
| 23:20.43 | gentooguy | lol |
| 23:21.06 | abrotman | simonrvn: will you hold my hand if i try poutine ? |
| 23:21.18 | xerophyte | when i use the rsync with rsync -av --progress /backup/cpbackup/daily -e 'ssh -l username' how can i give the password |
| 23:21.22 | xerophyte | for th ehost |
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| 23:21.25 | gentooguy | anyone know of some good voices for festival |
| 23:21.36 | xerophyte | i can not make the ssh key because i have sheel |
| 23:21.53 | abrotman | you can't use keys? |
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| 23:22.01 | fken | stew: the issue may be the wacom onliner |
| 23:22.04 | simonrvn | hehehe, sure. it's not bad, done well. the gravy shouldn't be too salty, and the cheese should be fresh, and the fries done up just right. double fried if possible |
| 23:22.09 | abrotman | boo: that's crummy ... |
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| 23:22.15 | Seanfeld | hi I am trying to reset my root password using a knoppix disk but when I mount the root partition type ext3 which is a raid partition md0 i get a bad superblock error anyone have any ideas of what I might be doing wrong |
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| 23:22.31 | abrotman | simonrvn: sounds like a heart surgeon's dream :) |
| 23:22.33 | fken | stew: now i can reach my cdrom : wacom onliner required to recompile the kernel |
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| 23:22.36 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 23:22.42 | gan|y|med | I AM SO SORRY. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT |
| 23:22.45 | abrotman | !tell Seanfeld about i forgot root's password |
| 23:23.01 | simonrvn | gan|y|med: s'ok, you know not to do it again now |
| 23:23.08 | abrotman | that was no accident! |
| 23:23.12 | abrotman | simonrvn: is it only in canada ? |
| 23:23.19 | fken | lol losting root password ? is that what people call to commit a suicide ? |
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| 23:23.36 | kl0ck | slit your wrists and lose your password |
| 23:23.39 | gan|y|med | actually i did not wanna do it, but i accidantily hit the middle button instead of the left one... |
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| 23:24.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:24.10 | simonrvn | was invented - this is apparently hotly debated... - in the saguenay lac-st-jean area, by some dude up there that has a greasy spoon there |
| 23:24.23 | abrotman | !poutine |
| 23:24.23 | dpkg | http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine |
| 23:24.26 | abrotman | see the wiki article |
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| 23:25.18 | gan|y|med | accidentally |
| 23:25.36 | ilpavox | in /var/log/messages it says that radio frequency kill switch in on for ipw2200... any idea on that one? could that be killing my connection? |
| 23:25.45 | abrotman | boo: alternately .. you might be able to skip that reprobing hte module if you take the interface down before removing the cable |
| 23:25.59 | abrotman | ilpavox: #ipw2100 might be more help |
| 23:26.12 | ilpavox | it would, but no one is in it |
| 23:26.16 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:26.23 | abrotman | wait .. noone in it .. or noone awake ? |
| 23:26.33 | ilpavox | no one at all |
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| 23:27.07 | simonrvn | abrotman: AFAIK it is only up here |
| 23:27.08 | nyterukh | res |
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| 23:27.22 | lama_ | hi |
| 23:27.23 | abrotman | ilpavox: there are 44 people in it |
| 23:27.23 | eeyore- | what the heck is poutine? |
| 23:27.26 | abrotman | !poutine |
| 23:27.26 | dpkg | http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine |
| 23:27.30 | lama_ | i have question |
| 23:27.34 | simonrvn | so ask it |
| 23:27.44 | lama_ | how enable quakeconsole in fvwm-crystal? |
| 23:27.49 | abrotman | ilpavox: /j #ipw2100 |
| 23:27.51 | leOn | which tool (available in debian) you guys recommend for dvd burning? |
| 23:28.19 | abrotman | apt-cache search dvd burn |
| 23:28.31 | ilpavox | every time i join it i am the only one in there |
| 23:28.33 | kl0ck | johnny was a good man |
| 23:28.38 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: still wanna see my log. i put it on http://channels.debian.net/paste/755 |
| 23:28.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: nasty looking eh? |
| 23:28.46 | abrotman | ilpavox: i'm there now . there are 44 people there |
| 23:28.49 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: sure |
| 23:28.52 | debianuser | can someone recomand an open relay website to test my mail server setup ? |
| 23:28.56 | leOn | abrotman: i've seen the list .. was asking about the preferences of people using such software |
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| 23:29.21 | gan|y|med | sorry, this mark and paste is a bit tricky... shame on me |
| 23:29.27 | abrotman | leOn: probably gnomebaker/graveman or k3b .. depending if you use gnome or kde |
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| 23:29.36 | eeyore- | it looks .... scary |
| 23:29.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:29.41 | ilpavox | wtf.. i join it and get deopped and no one else is there |
| 23:30.01 | leOn | abrotman: gnome .. always! =) |
| 23:30.07 | eeyore- | abrotman: sure beats the purplish blob i was served once, in a German cafeteria |
| 23:30.12 | abrotman | ilpavox: you sure you're joining the right channel ? .. i'm not even seeing your attemp |
| 23:30.14 | abrotman | attempt |
| 23:30.20 | abrotman | eeyore-: jello! |
| 23:30.23 | ilpavox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.39 | eeyore- | abrotman: and then there was that gigantic Meatball. when they sell you "meatball", they sell you *one* meatball. a big one. |
| 23:30.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:31.01 | abrotman | !fn modes |
| 23:31.02 | dpkg | umodes is probably http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
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| 23:31.20 | ilpavox | !fn modes |
| 23:31.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, umodes is http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 23:31.30 | abrotman | ilpavox: no .. i was checking the modes on the channel |
| 23:31.44 | abrotman | ilpavox: i'm not even seenig you join .. |
| 23:31.46 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: are you around? |
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| 23:32.29 | ilpavox | abrotman: what freenode server are you on? |
| 23:32.42 | abrotman | herbert |
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| 23:33.27 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: the xorg.conf is in: http://channels.debian.net/paste/756 |
| 23:33.31 | ilpavox | lemme try changing servers |
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| 23:33.37 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: nothing wrong, try reinstalling the fglfx-driver package and restart your xserver |
| 23:33.43 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: looking at that |
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| 23:35.13 | ilpavox | amazing no diff, can you invite me into it? |
| 23:35.21 | MegaByte | http://rafb.net/paste/results/DkROdu81.html |
| 23:35.28 | MegaByte | Can you help me with this file? |
| 23:35.30 | abrotman | ilpavox: i doubt it |
| 23:35.33 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: i have already done that... reinstall, restart, nothing changes. what is with the result from glxgears... 249.200 FPS... |
| 23:35.35 | MegaByte | I can't figure out what's wrong |
| 23:35.41 | bcc | with iptables, will -i eth0 also match eth0:0 and :1 etc? |
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| 23:35.49 | MegaByte | apt says there's extra garbage at the end of the line |
| 23:36.00 | gan|y|med | or maybe dpkg -S glxinfo? |
| 23:36.23 | sgeigerbot | What's the smallest statically compiled version of vi? |
| 23:36.43 | abrotman | nvi ? |
| 23:36.52 | abrotman | not static in debian .. but i'm sure you could make it so |
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| 23:37.01 | gatopolar | hello, I am runnig a debian-testing maching and I would like tu upgrade to unstable. What should I do before upgrading? |
| 23:37.10 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: why not get .... Gentoo? |
| 23:37.12 | abrotman | gatopolar: you probably don't want to |
| 23:37.13 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: how small would it be? |
| 23:37.14 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: haha |
| 23:37.20 | xerophyte | ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 2048 -f ~/rsync-key why i do that its ask for password how can i do it without password ? |
| 23:37.28 | gatopolar | why not? |
| 23:37.31 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: 360k |
| 23:37.37 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: I just want a friggin executable that I can copy to a small linux. Is that too much to ask? |
| 23:37.50 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: ups, ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 gives: usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2.bak |
| 23:37.53 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: what's your space limitation? |
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| 23:38.06 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: Only my imagination. ;-) |
| 23:38.16 | MegaByte | Hello |
| 23:38.17 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: oh, so you fucked with that after installing the debian package? |
| 23:38.23 | MegaByte | I have a problem with this file |
| 23:38.23 | abrotman | ilpavox: which client are you using ? |
| 23:38.24 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: might as well go with nvi or something. vim has so many plugins and bells and whistles |
| 23:38.25 | MegaByte | http://rafb.net/paste/results/DkROdu81.html |
| 23:38.36 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: hey wait, why not use busybox? |
| 23:38.36 | MegaByte | I've added the repository and apt complains about extra garbage |
| 23:38.38 | Unununium | My system uses dhcpcd, but I'm trying to assemble an initrd containing udhcpc. How do I install udhcpc so I can copy its binaries into the initrd? |
| 23:38.41 | MegaByte | what's wrong with it? |
| 23:38.42 | ilpavox | abrotman: snak right now. that should not matter |
| 23:38.47 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: i believe busybox has built-in editor, clone of vi |
| 23:38.48 | abrotman | ilpavox: could .. |
| 23:38.51 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: basic functions |
| 23:38.52 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: well, I think this is busybox... I'm using ttylinux. |
| 23:38.58 | abrotman | though .. #d has the same modes |
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| 23:39.08 | abrotman | ilpavox: /join #ipw2100 .. right ? |
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| 23:39.18 | dsfas | hello |
| 23:39.18 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: no, i justed changed sth yesterday because i wanted to force it to use the fglrx lib.... i reinstalled everything today, so my changes should be gone... |
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| 23:39.23 | dsfas | I am saddened |
| 23:39.29 | dsfas | I'm about to get hit by a hurricane. |
| 23:39.34 | ilpavox | abrotman: hahahaha no 2200 |
| 23:39.34 | abrotman | ilpavox: good |
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| 23:39.39 | ircops_home | hola |
| 23:39.40 | abrotman | ilpavox: darn you! |
| 23:39.42 | sgeigerbot | ilpavox: where are you? |
| 23:39.46 | dsfas | And a friend of mine is literally awaiting his death. |
| 23:39.50 | dsfas | Im in Texas |
| 23:39.59 | dsfas | but I guess nobody cares |
| 23:40.01 | dsfas | oh well |
| 23:40.02 | Unununium | I care |
| 23:40.03 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: not in that case, that symlink isnt touched by fglrx-driver |
| 23:40.09 | ilpavox | abrotman: ty |
| 23:40.16 | abrotman | ilpavox: enjoy! :) |
| 23:40.16 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: yeah, busybox has "vi" built-in |
| 23:40.23 | Sidster | anyone know if there will be an official opera.deb now that it's free? other than the one on the opera site? |
| 23:40.26 | abrotman | doesn't nano have a vi mode ? |
| 23:40.29 | gan|y|med | but i reinstalled xlibmesa for that reason |
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| 23:40.37 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: you just gotta select it at compile time if it didn't come enabled with ttylinux |
| 23:40.41 | abrotman | Sidster: it could go into contrib .. maybe ... |
| 23:40.50 | abrotman | Sidster: would you like to request it ? |
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| 23:41.06 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: ok. Well...I think I'm just going to forget about it. :-) |
| 23:41.12 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: why? |
| 23:41.17 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: run dpkg -S on that symlink |
| 23:41.19 | Sidster | sure it's either get an official one ot get it from opera |
| 23:41.29 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: busybox is very functional for small systems .. i use it when i boot off flash |
| 23:41.32 | StijnT | anyone having buffer underrun problems with DVD-writing when switching workspaces in gnome ? |
| 23:41.44 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: and reinstall whatever packages is owning it |
| 23:41.58 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: I'm just playing. (I wrote a script to automatically download and set up ttylinux in a xen virtual machine.) I could always mount the filesystem. I just wanted to see if I could get networking to work...but this really isn't worth the time. |
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| 23:42.19 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: I would much rather use a debian-based tiny linux. |
| 23:42.21 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: you'll learn a lot making your own distro from scratch |
| 23:42.25 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: which is xlibmesa-gl |
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| 23:42.37 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: yeah, the thought has crossed my mind. |
| 23:42.40 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: you'll learn about init, devices in /dev, what's required to bring up a system to a log-in prompt, etc. |
| 23:42.52 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: ok, reinstall that, reinstall fglrx-driver after that |
| 23:43.03 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: well, I know about those things already to some extent... |
| 23:43.14 | Unununium | Gag, the Debian-provided busybox lacks udhcpc... |
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| 23:43.18 | Unununium | Any other ideas? |
| 23:43.21 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: we're talking about your own hand-rolled one, not based on something somebody already made up :) |
| 23:43.35 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: i think it wont work, i think changing it .bak was what i did yesterday... |
| 23:43.45 | Sidster | now that firefox is dorked I thought I'd try opera til the 1.0.6 comes out in a .deb pkg |
| 23:43.45 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: :-) I think I want to create a distro based on Debian. It will be scripts to install shit fast and set it up fast.... |
| 23:43.53 | Unununium | dorked? |
| 23:43.55 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: You will end up with Debian...but it's friggin' fast. |
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| 23:44.05 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: sounds like gentoo :) |
| 23:44.05 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: try it, only conffiles don't get touched by dpkg -i or apt-get |
| 23:44.08 | eeyore- | (ahem) |
| 23:44.12 | dondelelcaro | Unununium: just build udhcpc statically, and stick it in the initrd |
| 23:44.13 | eeyore- | i go stand in corner now |
| 23:44.14 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: no. |
| 23:44.14 | stew | sounds like fai |
| 23:44.16 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: or whatever is diverted.. |
| 23:44.26 | Unununium | Never thought I'd hear a Debian user suggest that! :^) |
| 23:44.43 | zerve_the_death | after the nvidia one-liner install i have a problem with white screen |
| 23:44.46 | qalim | anybody on sparc here ? |
| 23:44.51 | Unununium | Me |
| 23:44.53 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: well, i could reinstall xlibmesa-gl without complaints about conflicts... that's progress, I hope |
| 23:44.57 | Unununium | Come into #debian-sparc |
| 23:44.57 | zerve_the_death | when i try to exit from X any help on that? |
| 23:45.11 | qalim | ok |
| 23:45.13 | dondelelcaro | as to why you'd use udhcpc in an initrd, I've no clue... but I suppose there must be a reason |
| 23:45.24 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: yea, those conflucts can only have come from your old aliend rpm |
| 23:45.36 | Unununium | netboot with NFS root |
| 23:45.37 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: -rw-r--r-- 1 valdyn valdyn 634628 2005-08-20 14:52 libGL.so.1.2 <- that is the right file |
| 23:45.52 | eeyore- | one of the disks in my netapp filer crashed again, after having been on for ... just a few hundred hours or so. this is shit, man. they're supposed to be good but they fail so often. |
| 23:45.55 | eeyore- | ridiculous. |
| 23:45.57 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: size is, owner isnt ;) |
| 23:46.37 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: thx :) |
| 23:46.46 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: ok, got it |
| 23:47.23 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: restart X, see what goes |
| 23:47.27 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: still pointing there... file size is slightly larger... |
| 23:47.43 | gan|y|med | then i have to say good byu for a moment... |
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| 23:49.32 | Azar | how can I install irssi? aptitude install irssi-text does not work.. |
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| 23:49.44 | valdyn_ | Azar: why doesnt it? |
| 23:49.49 | valdyn_ | !info irssi-text sarge |
| 23:49.50 | Azar | I have no idea... |
| 23:49.55 | zerve_the_death | apt-get install irssi-text |
| 23:49.56 | valdyn_ | !info irssi-text etch |
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| 23:50.01 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: the thing is i have tried installing these special debian packages first... and the the ati rpm |
| 23:50.04 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 23:50.04 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 23:50.12 | sn00p__ | su |
| 23:50.14 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 807 kB, Installed size: 2456 kB |
| 23:50.21 | Azar | thanks, will try apt-get |
| 23:50.50 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: things ok now? |
| 23:51.06 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: cu in a moment... restarting x |
| 23:51.16 | valdyn_ | alright |
| 23:51.23 | zerve_the_death | after the nvidia one-liner install i have a problem with white screen |
| 23:51.26 | zerve_the_death | when i try to exit from X any help on that? |
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| 23:51.44 | valdyn_ | zerve_the_death: you have a framebuffer on your console? |
| 23:51.52 | zerve_the_death | no |
| 23:51.56 | Mortalman | If I compile a kerenl intended for my very old laptop, on my PC which is very new, will that pose a problem ?? |
| 23:52.03 | Azar | thanks guys |
| 23:52.07 | zerve_the_death | nop |
| 23:52.18 | valdyn_ | Mortalman: no |
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| 23:53.26 | gatopolar | Hello. What should I do before an aptitude update/dist-upgrade to unstable? |
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| 23:53.49 | valdyn_ | gatopolar: if you have to ask, dont do it at all |
| 23:53.54 | ircops_home | gatopolar: pray |
| 23:54.01 | gatopolar | hahha |
| 23:54.02 | zerve_the_death | lol |
| 23:54.02 | resiak | !iyhtays |
| 23:54.03 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 23:54.08 | resiak | gatopolar: Seriously, _don't_. |
| 23:54.20 | error403_ | Does anyone know if there is a way to make the version increments by the cvs server smaller? like 1.1.* instead of 1.* ? |
| 23:54.35 | resiak | error403_: #cvs ? |
| 23:54.43 | gatopolar | ok, I only surfed in internet and I couldn't find the command |
| 23:54.52 | resiak | That's for the better |
| 23:55.01 | resiak | Don't use Sid unless you know how to use it without asking. |
| 23:55.03 | gatopolar | It was something like kill-aplications |
| 23:55.11 | gatopolar | mmm... ok |
| 23:55.28 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:55.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:55.32 | gatopolar | but I can't learn it without having it in my pc |
| 23:55.52 | ircops_home | hahah |
| 23:55.54 | Unununium | This APT has Super-Cow Powers |
| 23:56.04 | ircops_home | gatopolar: learn what? |
| 23:56.12 | ircops_home | gatopolar: it's the same as stable except it's not |
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| 23:56.27 | stew | apititude has super snake powers |
| 23:56.36 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: apt-get install netbsd ;) |
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| 23:56.48 | eurisko | lol |
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| 23:56.56 | ircops_home | hahaha |
| 23:56.59 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Hehe. |
| 23:57.16 | gatopolar | thank you all for your advice |
| 23:57.21 | gatopolar | ;) bye |
| 23:57.29 | gan|y|med | valdun_: hi again. doesnt work either |
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| 23:57.39 | Unununium | You all just gave me this horrid combinatorial nightmare vision of everyone heheheing to everyone else's hehehe |
| 23:57.51 | ircops_home | :D |
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| 23:58.10 | stew | time to put down the bong |
| 23:58.18 | ircops_home | yeah |
| 23:58.21 | Unununium | apt-get remove bong # aww |
| 23:58.21 | ircops_home | put down the bong... get a blunt |
| 23:58.24 | ircops_home | much better |
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| 23:59.42 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: which fglrx packages are currently installed? |
