| 00:00.04 | sn00p__ | who has a geforce2 ti working in nvidia? |
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| 00:00.50 | wiler | a quick question about software raid, i have a raid1 setup now and need to replace one of the disks, can i just make the partitions the same size on another box and will the raid mirror over? the drive i need to replace will be smaller then the one i have to put into the machine |
| 00:01.11 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: wait a moment. i have deleted libGL.so.1.2.bak because it did not change anything... i reinstalled and the file got finally installed agin. now it has the same file size as yours |
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| 00:01.25 | resiak | !tell sn00p__ -about ask |
| 00:01.27 | kazzil | um, where is 2.6.12? |
| 00:01.32 | kazzil | say nothing of 2.6.13 |
| 00:01.35 | resiak | kazzil: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | does the nv driver handle geforce2 ? |
| 00:01.41 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: the debian packages are installed (flavio's, if i am right...) |
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| 00:01.54 | wiler | 2.6.12 hozes my machine |
| 00:01.56 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: run 'ldconfig as root' then run glxinfo or glxgears, restarting X should not be required |
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| 00:02.06 | resiak | werw: Define "hozes my machine' |
| 00:02.07 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: that does sound promising.. |
| 00:02.09 | kazzil | huh, not seeing it. coudlv'e sworn i updated |
| 00:02.18 | ircops_home | wiler: you might have to initialize the drive you want to mirror... don't take my word for it tho... |
| 00:02.38 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: yea, as long as that aliened rpm isnt still around, fine |
| 00:02.42 | sn00p__ | I'm having problems with my graphics card in X I have a geforce2 ti nvidia card when I go in X the full screen doen't display it cant handle 85hertz whats wrong? |
| 00:02.42 | resiak | !info linux-image-2.6 etch |
| 00:02.53 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: YOU ARE MY HERO!!!!!!! |
| 00:03.00 | ircops_home | wiler: I have bad luck with raid, so you might not want to listen to me, but I could be right on this |
| 00:03.09 | ircops_home | wiler: raid=raid1 |
| 00:03.10 | resiak | :* |
| 00:03.11 | resiak | :( |
| 00:03.17 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: about time ) |
| 00:03.26 | resiak | kazzil: What are you using? Sarge, Etch or Sid? |
| 00:03.35 | wiler | well i havea prolient g4 and when i install 2.6.12, i got strange messages about init this and unsync that, and kernel panic, other then that, going back to 2.6.10 works fine |
| 00:03.46 | neil | i can't start xserver, it says it can't locate/open config file; fatal error is about no screens found |
| 00:04.03 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: i have been trying to find that out for days now... last time i got it working i did not really know how... |
| 00:04.03 | valdyn_ | !noscreensfound |
| 00:04.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 00:04.43 | abrotman | proliant G4 ? |
| 00:04.51 | abrotman | as in .. compaq proliant? |
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| 00:05.06 | wiler | yup sorry |
| 00:05.07 | sulo | hi |
| 00:05.09 | wiler | typo |
| 00:05.21 | abrotman | compaq makes a G4? |
| 00:05.26 | ircops_home | lol |
| 00:05.32 | wiler | g4=generation 4 |
| 00:05.32 | sulo | how to install kdevelop apt-get install kdevelop does not work :/ |
| 00:05.34 | ircops_home | compaq doesn't make much of anything anymore |
| 00:05.34 | resiak | dpkg: noscreensfound =~ s/problem./problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem./ |
| 00:05.35 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 00:06.00 | sulo | anyone an idea? |
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| 00:06.02 | resiak | !tell sulo -about search |
| 00:06.04 | neil | what do i put for "the video card's bus identifier"? |
| 00:06.06 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: you do not have any web site or sth. where there is sth. interesting about linux/debian/gnu sth.... i am trying to find more for my limited knowledge |
| 00:06.11 | resiak | sulo: apt-get install kdevelop3 |
| 00:06.14 | sn00p__ | I'm having problems with my graphics card in X I have a geforce2 ti nvidia card when I go in X the full screen doen't display it cant handle 85hertz whats wrong? |
| 00:06.22 | resiak | !tell sn00p__ -about repeat |
| 00:06.29 | resiak | sulo: What error do you get+ |
| 00:06.34 | resiak | sulo: Sorry |
| 00:06.38 | resiak | sn00p__: What error do you get? |
| 00:06.42 | sulo | resiak, it just can't find it |
| 00:06.54 | valdyn_ | !debian reference |
| 00:06.54 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 00:06.54 | resiak | sulo: apt-cache search kdevelop; apt-get install kdevelop3 |
| 00:07.01 | gan|y|med | btw, what is the point of a dual head configuration? |
| 00:07.02 | sulo | yes .. no kdevelop |
| 00:07.03 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: maybe ^^^ |
| 00:07.09 | abrotman | no kdevelop! |
| 00:07.12 | sn00p__ | resiak: i get no error it works just fine its that it doesn't use the full screen like 1/4 of it |
| 00:07.13 | resiak | gan|y|med: If you have more than one screen ... |
| 00:07.13 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: ? |
| 00:07.15 | sulo | resiak, i made this two things already |
| 00:07.26 | resiak | sulo: ... so it's now installed? |
| 00:07.30 | sulo | no |
| 00:07.30 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: maybe the debian reference ( what dpkg said ) |
| 00:07.36 | sulo | resiak, it can't find it |
| 00:08.00 | gan|y|med | well, more than one screen works with single head, too... according to fglrxconfig |
| 00:08.08 | sulo | resiak, wodan:/home/tdo# apt-cache search kdevelop |
| 00:08.08 | sulo | c-cpp-reference - C and C++ programming reference |
| 00:08.08 | sulo | vimpart - embedded Vim text editor component for KDE |
| 00:08.08 | sulo | wodan:/home/tdo# |
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| 00:08.10 | resiak | !info kdevelop3 sid |
| 00:08.17 | dpkg | kdevelop3: (An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.2.2-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1069 kB, Installed size: 3524 kB |
| 00:08.21 | gan|y|med | valdyn_: thx very much |
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| 00:08.32 | resiak | sulo: What breed of Debian are you running? |
| 00:08.38 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: dual head means 2 displays |
| 00:08.39 | sulo | resiak, testing |
| 00:08.42 | resiak | sulo: You lie |
| 00:08.45 | sulo | no |
| 00:08.45 | resiak | !info kdevelop3 etch |
| 00:08.56 | resiak | Act! |
| 00:08.59 | resiak | s/t/k/ |
| 00:09.04 | resiak | kdevelop is not in Etch! |
| 00:09.06 | resiak | sulo: Sorry. |
| 00:09.08 | sulo | yes this etch thing i use |
| 00:09.21 | resiak | !why is kdevelop3 not in etch |
| 00:09.22 | dpkg | resiak: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 00:09.26 | resiak | !why is kdevelop3 not in testing |
| 00:09.28 | dpkg | kdevelop3 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdevelop3 |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | because it makes crappy apps! |
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| 00:09.52 | setnf | hi i have installed base of xfree and xfce4 but the binary xf86config does not exists in which package name could i get this ? |
| 00:09.56 | gan|y|med | i know, but it asks me with a single head configuration, what my second display is (crt, tft, tv). i guess it is a standard question... |
| 00:10.07 | jim | crappy appy isn't very happy... |
| 00:10.09 | cheal | setnf: are you sure you want to use it? |
| 00:10.16 | setnf | cheal, yes |
| 00:10.23 | cheal | setnf: do you know about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 00:10.44 | setnf | jup but i preffer use xf86config to configure X |
| 00:11.00 | gan|y|med | another quick question: how do i change my keyboard layout on the console... dpkg-reconfigure locales did not wotk... |
| 00:11.05 | resiak | !keymap |
| 00:11.05 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: maybe that refers to cloning your 1st head on some 2nd screen |
| 00:11.05 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 00:11.13 | valdyn_ | !keymap |
| 00:11.22 | valdyn_ | oo |
| 00:11.27 | setnf | cheal, i have done via dpkg-reconfigure and when startx says: "no screens found" |
| 00:11.36 | resiak | !noscreensfound |
| 00:11.36 | dpkg | well, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 00:11.53 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: Xs keymap is probably easier done with whatever your desktop environment provides |
| 00:12.07 | cheal | setnf: if you really want that command, the xbase-clients package provides it |
| 00:12.19 | setnf | cheal, i have xbase-clients installed |
| 00:12.26 | abrotman | x-window-system-core |
| 00:12.30 | setnf | thanks |
| 00:12.38 | abrotman | setnf: but it's still broken |
| 00:12.44 | setnf | why ? |
| 00:12.47 | cheal | setnf: do you have a /usr/bin/X11/xf86config ? |
| 00:12.56 | setnf | not atm |
| 00:12.59 | abrotman | you should find the EE lines in your /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:13.03 | abrotman | cheal: they shouldnt' use that |
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| 00:13.22 | cheal | abrotman: well, he's asking... |
| 00:13.35 | abrotman | but he shouldn't use it |
| 00:13.39 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 00:13.39 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 00:14.04 | stew | we're going to need an xorg version of that one |
| 00:14.18 | neil | i didn't see any framebuffer question in the dhcp-reconfigure |
| 00:14.20 | cheal | abrotman: does drxx completely supercede xf86config? |
| 00:14.36 | setnf | abrotman, it's installing also xserver-xorg, is it ok ? |
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| 00:14.46 | abrotman | it's gonna have to be . isn't it ? |
| 00:14.48 | neil | and i still have the same problem (no screens found) |
| 00:14.50 | abrotman | cheal: yes |
| 00:14.55 | cheal | abrotman: ok |
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| 00:15.08 | gan|y|med | thx very verymuch, i'll check dual head config now. but i'll make backups first :) |
| 00:15.13 | abrotman | cheal: only if they REALLY know what they're doing should they use that |
| 00:15.18 | abrotman | !tell greentea about root |
| 00:15.30 | ircops_home | neil: notice this part: "If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR." |
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| 00:16.15 | neil | !troubleshooting x |
| 00:16.15 | dpkg | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum" |
| 00:16.16 | setnf | abrotman, can't found again xf86config :/ |
| 00:16.31 | kazzil | scp is maxing out at 1.4 MB/s on my 100base-T |
| 00:16.34 | kazzil | thats doesnt seem right |
| 00:16.56 | gan|y|med | ciao, c u later. |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | setnf: you're not supposed to use that |
| 00:17.15 | setnf | hrmf |
| 00:17.18 | abrotman | setnf: and you're using xorg .. not xf86 |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | !find bin/xorgconfig |
| 00:17.32 | setnf | i have installed xf86 packages. |
| 00:17.37 | abrotman | i'm not sure xorg has the equivalent |
| 00:17.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xorgconfig' (1): (/usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 00:17.43 | sn00p__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.52 | abrotman | sether: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 .. what version ? |
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| 00:18.01 | neil | the error is "unable to locate/open config file" what config file does it open by default? |
| 00:18.14 | abrotman | setnf: but i'm telling you .. use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:18.22 | setnf | aight |
| 00:18.23 | kazzil | hrm, scp is seriously cpu bound |
| 00:18.25 | kazzil | thats fairly lame |
| 00:18.27 | ircops_home | neil: /etc/X11/XF86Setup-4 I believe |
| 00:18.41 | abrotman | kazzil: duh .. encryption |
| 00:18.42 | kazzil | i didnt think symmetric crypto was so poor |
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| 00:19.05 | kazzil | encryption cant be that bad |
| 00:19.05 | Gathond | kazzil: encryption generally does this you know ... adds overhead (usually lots) |
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| 00:19.17 | neil | hmn that's what it is saved as, what do i do about an error reading a file i know exists |
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| 00:19.40 | kazzil | 1.4 MB/s |
| 00:19.41 | kazzil | that pathetic |
| 00:19.46 | barretj | on certain web sites i see rectangular shaped boxes in place of some characters |
| 00:19.59 | barretj | mostly the characters with accents and such |
| 00:20.07 | barretj | how can i fix this? |
| 00:20.14 | sn00p__ | what kernel should I get 386 or k7 i have athlon xp processor? |
| 00:20.24 | Gathond | kazzil: I usually get 4-5MB/s on my via C3 1 Ghz (at least when no windows machine is involved) if it is it struggles to get hast 1 |
| 00:20.26 | stew | sn00p__: k7 |
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| 00:21.10 | barretj | i think i need to install additional character sets, but how? |
| 00:21.24 | barretj | i'm using sid, btw |
| 00:21.27 | abrotman | install more font pacakges? or stop looking at korean porn :) |
| 00:21.33 | barretj | lol |
| 00:21.37 | ircops_home | hahaha |
| 00:21.47 | billions | can't do that |
| 00:21.48 | sn00p__ | stew: the linux kernel I have installed right now is 386 would that be ok? |
| 00:21.54 | setnf | abrotman, to start xorg is ? |
| 00:21.59 | billions | stop lookin that is ;o |
| 00:22.00 | abrotman | startx ? |
| 00:22.02 | barretj | what are the font packages called? |
| 00:22.06 | setnf | aight |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | apt-cache search font ? |
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| 00:22.23 | Swat2[w] | I cant seem to get my LSH-SERVER to come up... Ive created the keys, started it via /etc/init.d but it doesnt genereate any error messages nor does it start up... any clues? |
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| 00:22.27 | stew | sn00p__: yes |
| 00:22.30 | neil | i can't start an xserver and need to access my gmail account, does lynx or something have ssl support? |
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| 00:22.41 | sn00p__ | stew: why does debian come with only 386 |
| 00:22.54 | barretj | hmm, what would cause xterm to just show a blank screen? |
| 00:22.58 | Gathond | neil elinks does (but I dont think they do the fancy JS of gmail) |
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| 00:23.08 | barretj | when i start xterm its all blank, no prompt or anything |
| 00:23.10 | bob2 | Swat2[w]: why are you using lsh instead of openssh? |
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| 00:23.17 | barretj | when i press ctrl-c it quits |
| 00:23.22 | sn00p__ | stew: do I install the headers first using apt-get? |
| 00:23.26 | bob2 | barretj: do you have devpts mounted? |
| 00:23.27 | setnf | abrotman, normaly for laptop mouse is ps2 and /dev/psaux right ? |
| 00:23.29 | Swat2[w] | bob2: should i be using openssh? |
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| 00:23.33 | stew | sn00p__: the installer comes with 386 becuase its the lowest common denominator for x86 platforms, then provides 386 686 k7 etc that you can apt-get after the install |
| 00:23.38 | abrotman | setnf: /dev/input/mice |
| 00:23.49 | stew | sn00p__: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 00:23.49 | setnf | aight thanks will try |
| 00:23.55 | bob2 | Swat2[w]: if you want an ssh server, yes |
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| 00:24.02 | barretj | bob2: yes, devpts is mounted |
| 00:24.03 | bob2 | Swat2[w]: from the lsh-server package description: WARNING: This is a work in progress, and may be totally insecure. |
| 00:24.22 | sn00p__ | stew: what does uname -r do |
| 00:24.27 | stew | sn00p__: try it |
| 00:24.27 | billions | dpkg grub-install |
| 00:24.27 | dpkg | See all that crap in grub-install Ignore it. zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz instead. |
| 00:24.31 | billions | oops |
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| 00:24.35 | sn00p__ | yea I know that command |
| 00:24.38 | sn00p__ | I usually use uname -a |
| 00:24.39 | stew | sn00p__: just type uname -r or man uname |
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| 00:24.53 | barretj | -r means release |
| 00:24.54 | Swat2[w] | bob2: it would seem that i already have that installed - and lsh-server was conflicting.. Heh. |
| 00:24.57 | stew | sn00p__: you probably want to apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 kernel-headers-2.6-k7 |
| 00:25.03 | brlancer | when I run any 'vi' command ('vi*') it hangs on XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 - I've got one key in my xauth file - can I check if that's being used by something and delete it if it's not? |
| 00:25.23 | abrotman | and people wonder why i'm still using sarge :) |
| 00:25.35 | setnf | abrotman, works with /dev/psaux also |
| 00:25.43 | Swat2[w] | <-- darwin award |
| 00:25.58 | setnf | abrotman, thanks about all, gn8 |
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| 00:26.19 | Swat2[w] | I still cant get my toshiba laptop to reboot properly. |
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| 00:27.02 | barretj | can someone help me to get xterm to work please? |
| 00:27.11 | abrotman | boy .. he just wanted to ignore everything i told him .. oh well |
| 00:27.20 | brlancer | it was working fine, I apt-get dist-upgrade within sarge and got the new xfree86, but I'm in a remote shell and 'vi*' is pooched |
| 00:27.46 | dvs | abrotman: Did you say something? ;-) |
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| 00:28.51 | abrotman | yeah! |
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| 00:29.19 | Swat2[w] | Anyone know what ports "953, 885, 111, 113" do? |
| 00:29.22 | neil | where can i get xorg? i have never had problems with it in the past |
| 00:29.27 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 00:29.27 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 00:29.38 | kazzil | is there any compelling reason i shouldnt use 2.6.13? the patch i'm trying to use is designed for 2.6.13... |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | !xor sarge |
| 00:29.45 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 00:29.45 | dpkg | hmm... xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
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| 00:29.54 | cheal | kazzil: yes, it's not in debian |
| 00:30.10 | abrotman | and if you use devfs .. it won't work |
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| 00:30.12 | kazzil | kernel.org seems to ahve it |
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| 00:30.19 | kazzil | devfs not sucking? |
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| 00:30.27 | dvs | Debian owns kernel.org?!? |
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| 00:30.29 | kazzil | hahaha, you're always such a hoot abrotman |
| 00:30.29 | cheal | kazzil: it doesn't have a debian package of it |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | devfs gone |
| 00:30.31 | dvs | Yeah right. |
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| 00:30.33 | abrotman | kazzil: ? |
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| 00:30.51 | kazzil | oh it wont work, i thought you said it would work |
| 00:31.02 | abrotman | !devfs |
| 00:31.02 | dpkg | [devfs] obsolete and was [basically] removed from Linux from 2.6.13, or ask me about devfs faq |
| 00:31.04 | abrotman | see |
| 00:31.24 | barretj | man i forgot how much i depend on xterm |
| 00:31.29 | Esaj | what's a good RSS reader? |
| 00:31.46 | bob2 | planetplanet.org |
| 00:32.23 | mfrisch | mozilla |
| 00:33.02 | Esaj | planetplanet looks cool, but I was looking for a client program |
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| 00:33.36 | mfrisch | mozilla |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | opera! |
| 00:34.32 | Xenguy | gah |
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| 00:34.40 | dvs | elinks! |
| 00:35.11 | abrotman | wget! |
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| 00:35.15 | dvs | hahahaha |
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| 00:35.27 | Esaj | :) |
| 00:35.28 | mfrisch | no guys mozilla supports RSS |
| 00:35.34 | Hydrogenum | is the sendmail maintainer around? there's a pretty serious bug... |
| 00:35.37 | dvs | oh |
| 00:35.44 | dvs | Evolution used to support RSS |
| 00:36.11 | Crak_otak | someone uses an atmel wifi chip? |
| 00:36.23 | eurisko | atmel isn't similar to atheros? |
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| 00:36.26 | abrotman | amtel ? |
| 00:36.32 | Crak_otak | no |
| 00:36.32 | abrotman | !tell greentea about root |
| 00:36.35 | Crak_otak | is an old one |
| 00:36.37 | Esaj | mfrisch: yeah I'm trying mozilla thunderbird |
| 00:36.46 | Crak_otak | atheros uses madwifi |
| 00:37.09 | jim | could someone walk me thru how to read the output of free? |
| 00:37.15 | eurisko | yeah, i guess that amtel also uses that maybe i am confused- |
| 00:37.27 | jim | I -still- don't understand it completely |
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| 00:37.38 | Crak_otak | eurisko: it doesnt |
| 00:37.41 | abrotman | jim: what about it ?> |
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| 00:38.19 | jim | I basically can't get what's happening in my system; I'm trying to use it to detect leaks |
| 00:38.31 | abrotman | i don't htink that's a very good way :) |
| 00:38.36 | abrotman | vmstat ? |
| 00:38.36 | jim | well |
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| 00:38.54 | electron1 | Hi, whats the command to apt-get install xorg? |
| 00:39.00 | jim | it was swapping -hard- before, I solved that due to someone knowing the problem |
| 00:39.09 | electron1 | I forget what it's called in aptitude |
| 00:39.12 | jim | here, could you meet me on #flood? |
| 00:39.15 | dvs | xserver-xorg |
| 00:39.26 | electron1 | didn't work |
| 00:39.35 | sward | electron1: In sarge? |
| 00:39.39 | electron1 | yeah |
| 00:39.43 | dvs | not available |
| 00:39.50 | mfrisch | Esaj I did it in firefox, goto manage bookmarks, then ...its not in plain mozilla, I forget what its called. |
| 00:39.54 | jim | you need a back port then, which is somewhere |
| 00:39.55 | electron1 | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 00:39.59 | sward | !xorg sarge |
| 00:39.59 | dpkg | hmm... xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 00:40.06 | Esaj | mfrisch: oh, live bookmarks |
| 00:40.12 | neil | ok, now i get the nvidia splash screen when xfree86 starts, but it dies after flashing the nvidia splash screen several times. it does not give me a any error message but the last thing it tried to start was GLX, it may not have started glx |
| 00:40.15 | mfrisch | Esaj yup |
| 00:40.32 | cheal | neil: ask #nvidia |
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| 00:40.36 | abrotman | #nvidia ? |
| 00:40.44 | mernil | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1786945,00.html |
| 00:40.46 | resiak | !tell electron1 -about search |
| 00:40.47 | foo | How can I install php support on my debian install? I have apache2 |
| 00:40.48 | foo | hmm |
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| 00:41.33 | abrotman | foo: libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 00:42.03 | sward | resiak: :D ! My favourite bot query bot! *ahem* |
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| 00:42.22 | resiak | sward: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:42.32 | Airk | hi. gdm does not start anymore after recompiling kernel modules. error: libwrap.so.0 not found. |
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| 00:43.14 | sward | resiak: I don't know, are you? Or are you smaller than a pitrpod zepto? |
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| 00:43.55 | sward | resiak: Hi, by the way :) |
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| 00:44.49 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:44.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 00:45.15 | webfreak | nice one |
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| 00:49.14 | scx | The process for the bash protocol died unexpectedly |
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| 00:49.25 | theeil | can i install nvidia drivers on a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:49.47 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 00:50.28 | devnull | what would be a good program to rip a whole cd to an iso image ? |
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| 00:51.54 | devnull | i guess just dd would work |
| 00:51.58 | abrotman | dd |
| 00:52.10 | sema4 | hello all ... what is the debian sid way to stop the module pcspkr from being loaded on boot? |
| 00:53.29 | sward | sema4: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 00:53.40 | sema4 | thanks |
| 00:53.49 | scx | What may I do if "top -d 1" does not shows any process greater than 5% and have 100% CPU use ? |
| 00:54.14 | abrotman | scx: how many processes are running ? |
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| 00:54.49 | scx | 141 total, 1 running, 140 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | any waiting? |
| 00:55.36 | scx | as i may se... none... |
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| 00:55.56 | scx | I tought it's amarok, but doesn't |
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| 00:56.27 | Azar | I have forgot how to disable X at boot time, can you guys tell me how? |
| 00:56.31 | scx | Amarok uses 5%, and others are below |
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| 00:57.00 | Azar | abrotman, please..? |
| 00:57.04 | scx | I just know, my comp is getting s l o w |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | !no dm |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 00:57.09 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 00:57.15 | Azar | thanks :) |
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| 00:57.26 | darkcmd | hello |
| 00:58.32 | scx | Damn, I'll reboot |
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| 00:59.12 | devnull | next question ... is there a way to play an iso file as a cd ? |
| 00:59.19 | devnull | without burning it |
| 00:59.30 | abrotman | mount over loopback |
| 01:00.09 | devnull | hmm okay |
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| 01:00.19 | fluor- | I'd like to do a substitution in a series of files using sed - problem is I can't seem to take files as the input, and output to the same file - is there any way around that? |
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| 01:00.26 | devnull | thank you |
| 01:00.48 | kl0ck | abrotman: i still cant get it work. It wont find the gateway |
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| 01:01.11 | fluor- | `sed 's/stuff/thing/g' file > file` generates an empty 'file' |
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| 01:01.50 | fluor- | should I just `sed 's/stuff/thing/g' file > file.tmp && cp -f file.tmp file && rm -f file` ? |
| 01:01.56 | fluor- | or is there a cleaner way to do this? |
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| 01:02.36 | Gathond | fluor-: what is the point in deleting the file in the end? |
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| 01:03.07 | Gathond | fluor-: anyway if you use a recent GNU sed you can use -i (edit file in place) but that wont be portable to other UNIXes |
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| 01:09.53 | devnull | trying to dd the cd image but i keep getting an IO error on the device and i know it is the correct device |
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| 01:10.43 | coywolf | !dmapi |
| 01:11.26 | Supaplex | !utah |
| 01:11.26 | dpkg | well, utah is <see> utah-glx, or where it's state law that no hurricanes are permitted. |
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| 01:12.24 | fluor- | Gathond: I don't want temp files flying around |
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| 01:13.02 | Gathond | fluor-: as far as I saw you deleted the file you started with editing |
| 01:13.24 | Gathond | fluor-: guessing you wanted file.tmp last, not file |
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| 01:13.46 | Gathond | fluor-: but you could still use sed -i (provided portability is not that much of an issue) |
| 01:14.03 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 01:14.05 | sward | devnull: You could try readcd, from cdrecord, I assume it might include some error checking and correction |
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| 01:14.17 | tengulre | how to setting KM ethernet card? |
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| 01:14.35 | Gnea | KM? |
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| 01:14.56 | devnull | thank you |
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| 01:15.11 | sward | devnull: Failing that, just mount it, and run mkisofs on the contents |
| 01:15.23 | beinsane | So, I've got a weird initrd problem... |
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| 01:15.59 | devnull | i wonder if because this is a dvd drive that is part of the problem |
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| 01:16.09 | devnull | it isn't spinning before it tries to read from it |
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| 01:16.23 | beinsane | The initrd that was auto-generated when I upgraded to kernel 2.6.12 is loading ide-scsi for some reason. |
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| 01:17.23 | beinsane | This makes my DVD drive inaccessible by normal means. |
| 01:17.35 | devnull | sward it is cd audio |
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| 01:18.21 | tengulre | Gnea, 1K MB |
| 01:18.41 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: hey! |
| 01:18.43 | beinsane | Any ideas as to how to fix this? |
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| 01:19.33 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: I created an automated install of a virtual machine, too. (It's a sub-2MB linux...so you can download it quickly to test things out.) |
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| 01:19.44 | sward | devnull: Fair enough, use readcd then :) |
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| 01:20.29 | gozz | can debian read and write to ntfs? |
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| 01:20.52 | Hector_Hiram | Hi, I'm new to Debian. I installed it in a Virtual PC to test it, to see how it looks like, but after the first phase of installation, my whole computer reboots. Can somebody help? |
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| 01:21.36 | bigl | can someone help me with a dsl connection. I use pppoeconf to configure the connection. I also check the setup in /usr/share/doc/pppoe and all looked correct there. After a pon dsl-provider - the plog command gives the output of timeout waiting for PADS packets unable to complete pppoe discovery |
| 01:21.44 | gozz | what app are you useing? |
| 01:22.07 | devnull | readcd fails |
| 01:22.17 | gozz | it works great on vmware |
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| 01:22.33 | Hector_Hiram | I am using Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 |
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| 01:22.55 | haz | Why can I not apt-get the rails package? |
| 01:23.03 | haz | after apt-update/upgrading |
| 01:23.20 | haz | I know it exists |
| 01:23.30 | sgeigerbot | haz: look at packages.debian.org |
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| 01:23.35 | amemo | Hector_Hiram: reformat? |
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| 01:23.44 | gozz | get vmware |
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| 01:23.54 | sgeigerbot | gozz: Get Xen !!! |
| 01:23.54 | Ronin | better yet set up a dual boot |
| 01:23.56 | haz | ? |
| 01:23.59 | secureboot | is there any way to copy an image from a pdf to a document in linux? |
| 01:24.00 | Hector_Hiram | This is my third try to install on a Virtual PC |
| 01:24.03 | ilpavox | vmware is sloooooow |
| 01:24.25 | gozz | linux reads pdf |
| 01:24.25 | Hector_Hiram | I try from very clean, empty Virtual Hard Disk Drives |
| 01:24.26 | haz | sgeigerbot: will do |
| 01:24.32 | amemo | secureboot: use screen snapshot |
| 01:24.35 | Ronin | ilpavox: onlyu if your using it for things its not meant for i found |
| 01:24.44 | secureboot | amemo: not an option here. |
| 01:24.45 | amemo | secureboot: prolly a better way, but |
| 01:24.54 | gozz | my vmware works great i can even play movies |
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| 01:25.49 | Hector_Hiram | My local hard disk drives are full to make a dual boot |
| 01:25.51 | amemo | secureboot: how bout convert pdf to html ? |
| 01:26.13 | haz | So do I have to download the unstable/testing packages from packages.debian.org or can you tell apt to get testing packages? |
| 01:26.15 | magyar | is there a way to look at CPU temperature in sarge? |
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| 01:26.33 | whm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:26.39 | secureboot | amemo: you can do that? |
| 01:27.02 | sgeigerbot | secureboot: pdf2ps |
| 01:27.22 | C_J_Pro | I'm trying to build XOrg from source and I got the follow error: make[4]: *** No rule to make target 'clean'. Stop. |
| 01:27.25 | By-Tor | What the... |
| 01:27.40 | By-Tor | apt-get dist-upgrade shows nothing to be done |
| 01:27.47 | EdLin | !tell haz about pinning |
| 01:27.48 | stew | !wayc C_J_Pro |
| 01:27.48 | dpkg | C_J_Pro: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:27.50 | devnull | apparently my system hates me |
| 01:27.50 | sward | C_J_Pro: Why are you trying to build from source? |
| 01:27.55 | By-Tor | while aptitude dist-upgrade says stuff needs to be done. |
| 01:27.58 | By-Tor | what gives? |
| 01:28.08 | sward | !beer stew |
| 01:28.16 | haz | ty EdLin |
| 01:28.19 | stew | yay |
| 01:28.29 | EdLin | yw |
| 01:28.30 | C_J_Pro | I want to configure XOrg myself instead of having the configuration dialog popup during installation |
| 01:28.43 | darkcmd | how safe is it to use xorg on Sarge |
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| 01:29.31 | sgeigerbot | C_J_Pro: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get --reinstall install -y --force-yes <package> |
| 01:29.55 | EdLin | C_J_Pro: any changes you make to configuration files gets kept, debconf only changes things if you haven't done manual changes. |
| 01:30.08 | Hector_Hiram | Hi, I'm new to Debian. I installed it in a Virtual PC to test it, to see how it looks like, but after the first phase of installation, my whole computer reboots. Can somebody help? If so, send me a private message. |
| 01:30.28 | sward | darkcmd: XFree86 is probably more safe, do you *need* anything that xorg has? |
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| 01:31.27 | darkcmd | just curious |
| 01:31.38 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: What happened to you, man? :-) |
| 01:31.45 | C_J_Pro | O_O |
| 01:32.00 | C_J_Pro | ok, wtf happened to xfree86.com? |
| 01:32.36 | EdLin | C_J_Pro: still trying to compile everything by hand rather than use Debian's tools, which are the whole friggin' point to Debian? |
| 01:32.37 | sward | C_J_Pro: xfree86.org ? |
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| 01:33.03 | C_J_Pro | sward: I accidentally typed in the wrong address |
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| 01:33.09 | C_J_Pro | EdLin: I'm an ex gentoo user |
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| 01:33.31 | EdLin | C_J_Pro: that's no excuse |
| 01:33.33 | C_J_Pro | still used to compiling software |
| 01:33.33 | C_J_Pro | lol |
| 01:33.37 | devnull | so every program gets IO errors from my cd device except for cd players |
| 01:33.39 | EdLin | !lol |
| 01:33.39 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:33.40 | devnull | what gives with that |
| 01:33.49 | devnull | haha |
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| 01:34.14 | darkcmd | I was told that Debian makes it more difficult for users to compile some software compared to other distros |
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| 01:34.42 | devnull | darkcmd, idk about that .... but it willl require you to go out and get the required dev libs since by default they probably won't be installed |
| 01:34.50 | EdLin | darkcmd: if you really want to compile stuff you can use "apt-get build-dep foo && apt-get source -b foo" |
| 01:35.24 | darkcmd | EdLin, what about other than apt |
| 01:35.50 | libervisco | does debian patches its kernels? |
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| 01:36.00 | quik_ | hey folks |
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| 01:36.13 | sward | darkcmd: What devnull said, grab the *-dev packages and compile as you would anywhere else |
| 01:36.15 | quik_ | by default, where is apache executable installed? |
| 01:36.18 | darkcmd | ok |
| 01:36.19 | EdLin | darkcmd: the whole point to Debian is that you have tens of thousands of programs that are integrated togeather. If you go out and compile random packages, especially things that are already in the repository, you loose that integration. |
| 01:36.38 | darkcmd | yes but sometimes some software doesn't come in apt or debian packages |
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| 01:36.56 | EdLin | darkcmd: then go ahead and compile, and use checkinstall to make a deb |
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| 01:37.11 | devnull | sward, any idea what to do if readcd and dd both fail with IO errors ? |
| 01:37.12 | darkcmd | ok |
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| 01:37.28 | darkcmd | EdLin, does that produce broken packages? |
| 01:37.35 | secureboot | i'd love to replace my cable modem with an internal card - are there any that work under linux? any place to find out? |
| 01:37.36 | bcc | where is iptable's config stored? |
| 01:37.38 | pratyush | can any one help me in xkb configuration? |
| 01:37.45 | Azar | abrotman , my friend here bobut got a frozen screen in X after instalation: fresh Debian upgraded, 2.6.8 kernel, fresh Xfree86, fresh nvidia install the debian way, fresh openbox |
| 01:37.48 | EdLin | darkcmd: it's not perfect at making packages, but it's easy. |
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| 01:37.53 | bob2 | bcc: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 01:37.56 | bob2 | secureboot: unlikely |
| 01:38.03 | darkcmd | ok |
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| 01:38.19 | boburt | would i even need to install a nvidia module? |
| 01:38.21 | EdLin | Azar: what's the video card? |
| 01:38.28 | pratyush | Hello all......I am getting error messege as xkb failed to load? |
| 01:38.31 | boburt | nvidia geforce 420 MX |
| 01:38.31 | Azar | EdLin, nvidia like mine |
| 01:38.32 | pratyush | can any one solve this |
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| 01:38.45 | EdLin | Azar: which one? |
| 01:38.49 | sward | devnull: Hmm, if it's just audio, you could try ripping with cdparanoia and creating an image from the result |
| 01:38.50 | C_J_Pro | actually, what would you guys recommend? |
| 01:38.54 | C_J_Pro | XOrg or XFree86? |
| 01:38.58 | Azar | EdLin, what boburt said |
| 01:39.03 | pratyush | xfree86 |
| 01:39.07 | quik_ | by default, where is apache executable installed? |
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| 01:39.32 | abrotman | Azar: que? |
| 01:39.33 | EdLin | Azar: try using nvidia 7174, later nvidia drivers act bad with low end or old cards. |
| 01:39.36 | Azar | EdLin he just installed all now: Xfree86-4, nvidia the debian way (one liner) and openbox |
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| 01:39.42 | sward | devnull: A bit of a long way around, but it might actually work. I don't know why you're getting the read errors with dd and readcd |
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| 01:40.30 | EdLin | Azar: I have a TNT2 M64, so my system doesn't work with the one liner, I have to use an old nvidia installer from the archives. |
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| 01:40.52 | Azar | its ok EdLin thanks |
| 01:40.59 | EdLin | np |
| 01:41.20 | boburt | if i'm going to install a new nvidia module, would i need to uninstall the old one? |
| 01:41.26 | Nebetsu | Does anyone know how to set Eterm so the transparancy actually is transparant instead of just a picture of my background. It's kind of cutting holes in applications when I use it and I want it to be actually transparent. |
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| 01:41.40 | bob2 | Nebetsu: that's what Eterm does |
| 01:41.43 | Azar | boburt holdon |
| 01:41.50 | bob2 | Nebetsu: it's not possible for a random X app to look behind itself |
| 01:41.57 | Azar | you need to manually edit xfree86-4 file |
| 01:41.59 | bob2 | Nebetsu: the only way to do it is with x.org and it's composite extension |
| 01:42.02 | boburt | oh |
| 01:42.03 | Nebetsu | oh... >> |
| 01:42.11 | Azar | need to replace "nv" with "nvidia" |
| 01:42.18 | devnull | i probably will have no problem ripping the cd track by track but that isn't really what i want to do |
| 01:42.22 | Nebetsu | ok thanks bob2 |
| 01:42.27 | devnull | i am really interesting in keeping it a iso for CDDB purposes |
| 01:42.48 | superkitty | is there an issue with security downloads? |
| 01:42.59 | Azar | boburt and identifier for your video card will be the exact name of your nvidia card, sorry my mistake there |
| 01:43.01 | EdLin | !topicsmite superkitty |
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| 01:43.03 | bob2 | devnull: it's not an iso |
| 01:43.06 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon superkitty. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:43.09 | bob2 | it's an audio cd |
| 01:43.24 | bob2 | if you want the whole thing in an annoying format, use cdrdao |
| 01:43.32 | devnull | bob2: ?? |
| 01:43.33 | pratyush | Error activating XKB configuration. |
| 01:43.33 | pratyush | It can happen under various circumstances: |
| 01:43.34 | pratyush | - a bug in libxklavier library |
| 01:43.34 | pratyush | - a bug in X server (xkbcomp, xmodmap utilities) |
| 01:43.34 | pratyush | - X server with incompatible libxkbfile implementation |
| 01:43.34 | pratyush | X server version data: |
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| 01:43.42 | pratyush | The XFree86 Project, Inc |
| 01:43.43 | bob2 | devnull: iso = iso-9660 filesystem = data cd |
| 01:43.44 | pratyush | 40300001 |
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| 01:44.08 | Azar | boburt, yours is GeForce2 MX/MX 400, right? same as mine? |
| 01:44.12 | superkitty | EdLin is that a no or a yes? |
| 01:44.14 | devnull | bob2 if i were to create an exact image of an audio cd to a file would would it be called ? |
| 01:44.16 | Hector_Hiram | Hello, I need some help, if somebody can help me run debian on my Virtual PC, Send me a private message. I'm new to Debian |
| 01:44.16 | boburt | 420 |
| 01:44.25 | boburt | i thin |
| 01:44.27 | EdLin | superkitty: your answer is in the /topic |
| 01:44.34 | bob2 | devnull: a dump or something, but it 's pointless |
| 01:44.44 | bob2 | devnull: if oyu insist, use cdrdao to make a .bin/.toci |
| 01:44.47 | devnull | bob2: why |
| 01:44.48 | sgeigerbot | secureboot: why do you want to replace your cablemodem? |
| 01:44.59 | bob2 | devnull: do you know how cddb works? |
| 01:45.01 | quik_ | my apache install (installed by apt-get install apache) isn't located in /usr/local/apache, is that normal? |
| 01:45.03 | sgeigerbot | secureboot: too many blinky lights? |
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| 01:45.14 | devnull | no ... i will just do it track by track then |
| 01:45.16 | bob2 | devnull: ripping a cd to .wav trakcs and burning it again will almos certainly give you the same cddb info |
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| 01:45.22 | bob2 | quik_: of course |
| 01:45.27 | bob2 | quik_: nothing from packages goes in /usr/local/ |
| 01:45.29 | bob2 | (mostly) |
| 01:45.34 | quik_ | where does it go? |
| 01:45.50 | bob2 | quik_: dpkg -L apache |
| 01:45.54 | Hector_Hiram | how do I enter /topic? |
| 01:45.55 | Azar | yea redo your stuff on apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm then edit manually the file in /etc/X11/Xfree86-4 |
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| 01:46.06 | Azar | errr damn boburt sorry |
| 01:46.11 | superkitty | thanks :) would it have been terribly hard to say yep there are issues? yes i could have read it and am evermore sorry. any idea of how to get around it doing a netinstal? |
| 01:46.29 | deadcat | Hector_Hiram: type /topic |
| 01:46.30 | Azar | boburt come back home |
| 01:46.32 | devnull | okay |
| 01:46.34 | boburt | i did azar |
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| 01:46.38 | boburt | i did all that |
| 01:46.42 | Azar | ok |
| 01:46.48 | Azar | try again and lets go back home |
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| 01:46.52 | boburt | oh okay |
| 01:47.08 | roler | Is it just me or is Debian Testing releasing a lot of updates lately? |
| 01:47.12 | sward | devnull: (and bob2), jack will save the requisite cddb info when ripping, for querying and/or submission (IIRC, it's just generated from the table of contents) |
| 01:47.19 | bob2 | yeah |
| 01:47.34 | devnull | ok |
| 01:47.36 | Hector_Hiram | I try, but nothing happens |
| 01:47.57 | Hector_Hiram | \topic |
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| 01:48.08 | EdLin | Hector_Hiram: then just scroll back to the opening message |
| 01:48.17 | bigl | can someone point me to the debian manual on debian's site |
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| 01:48.35 | dephi | what's taking gal2.6 and gtkhtml3.8 so long to enter the archives? |
| 01:49.11 | superkitty | EdLin is there a way to install Debian and not get the security updates? |
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| 01:49.39 | sward | bigl: One of these? http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 01:49.44 | sgeigerbot | Debian Installation Manual: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install.en.html |
| 01:49.45 | secureboot | sgeigerbot: yeah - i hate the lights. But seriously, i want to have everything all in one box, for a few reasons |
| 01:49.46 | Muffie | hello all. |
| 01:49.51 | EdLin | superkitty: expert mode |
| 01:49.55 | sgeigerbot | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 01:50.01 | secureboot | sgeigerbot: plus, the more under the hood experience i get, the better |
| 01:50.03 | sgeigerbot | !+debian reference |
| 01:50.03 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 01:50.05 | Muffie | im using apt-get install mplayer, but its not finding it. Is that normal? |
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| 01:50.14 | bob2 | Muffie: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 01:50.19 | sgeigerbot | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html (NICE) http://colt.projectgamma.com/debguide.html http://www.debian.org/doc/ apt-get install dwarfs-debian-guide - Dwarf's guide to installing and using Debian GNU/Linux |
| 01:50.23 | bob2 | Muffie: it's not in debian itself for long and sordid reasons |
| 01:50.55 | quik_ | is there a package to install apache + the source? |
| 01:50.57 | Muffie | bob2: hmmm. Can I configure some place to look at other dpkg bases? or something like that? |
| 01:51.16 | quik_ | cause I'm trying to install mod_dav |
| 01:51.54 | sgeigerbot | !+source |
| 01:51.54 | dpkg | Use 'apt-setup' to add a deb-src line to your sources.list. Then 'apt-get build-dep foo' to fetch the build deps, then finally 'apt-get [-b] source foo' to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc. The source is unpacked in `pwd` and the diff.gz is applied. -b compiles it for you; if you want to compile it yourself, use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" from within the unpacked dir. Don't forget to install debhelper! |
| 01:52.09 | JoshH | quik_: do you just need the dev package? |
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| 01:52.19 | JoshH | for apxs? |
| 01:52.20 | bob2 | Muffie: ask the bot, as above |
| 01:52.27 | bob2 | quik_: mod_dav is in debian already |
| 01:52.28 | quik_ | I'm not sure what I need TBH |
| 01:52.32 | quik_ | oh? |
| 01:52.34 | Muffie | bob2: how!? |
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| 01:52.38 | quik_ | so I just need to enable it |
| 01:52.45 | bob2 | 11:50:14 bob2 | Muffie: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 01:52.54 | bob2 | quik_: libapache-mod-dav - A DAV module for Apache |
| 01:52.55 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: source =~ s/ Don't forget to install debhelper!// |
| 01:52.55 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 01:52.58 | JoshH | quik_: apt-get install libapache-mod-dav |
| 01:52.59 | bob2 | quik_: no, you need to install it |
| 01:53.06 | JoshH | quik_: are you using apache 1 or 2? |
| 01:53.11 | quik_ | 1 |
| 01:53.15 | JoshH | that will work then |
| 01:53.28 | dondelelcaro | if the package doesn't Build-Depends: debhelper and uses it; it's buggy. |
| 01:53.37 | quik_ | and it'll even configure the httpd.conf? |
| 01:53.40 | JoshH | quik_: and to compile modules, you will need to install apache-dev |
| 01:53.49 | quik_ | right |
| 01:53.59 | JoshH | that will give you the apxs command |
| 01:54.48 | inesa | Is this the right place to point to some interface designs I did for Debian's graphical installer (following the release of a ISO of it anounced in debian-boot?). Or am I being to pushy, and should just wait any replies in the thread :/ Anyway, my point being, is anyone interested in giving me feedback on 3 simple images? |
| 01:55.13 | JoshH | inesa: post a link |
| 01:55.23 | JoshH | the mailing lists would be better though if you are serious |
| 01:55.42 | Hector_Hiram | I have try the bot, but I can't find any help |
| 01:55.58 | bigl | can someone point me in the right direction for hooking up dsl easily. i have followed the /usr/share/doc/ppoe setup and everything looks ok - using pppoeconf doesn't seem to get it working either |
| 01:56.04 | dondelelcaro | inesa: in this particular case, code will speak far more than mockups, though. |
| 01:56.07 | bigl | how do I get ppp0 to show up with an ifconfig |
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| 01:56.20 | bigl | or how do I troubleshoot the dsl connect? |
| 01:56.41 | JoshH | bigl: do you have to use pppoe? |
| 01:56.51 | bob2 | bigl: do you really have pppoe? |
| 01:56.54 | inesa | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/09/msg00720.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/09/msg00720.html . |
| 01:57.04 | JoshH | these days most isp's don't support pppoe, at least not officially |
| 01:57.20 | paolob | Hi guys! When will beagle 0.1.0 enter unstable? |
| 01:57.26 | bigl | what do I use to connect then? Using sarge? |
| 01:57.27 | bob2 | JoshH: that's pretty country-specific |
| 01:57.33 | JoshH | true, heh |
| 01:57.39 | bob2 | bigl: you need to find out if you're using pppoe or not |
| 01:57.48 | bob2 | JoshH: everyone isp in .au uses ppoe, more or less |
| 01:57.51 | JoshH | i just assume people are in the US until they say otherwise |
| 01:57.53 | bigl | it's SBC |
| 01:57.54 | bob2 | unless you get bridged business dsl |
| 01:57.57 | JoshH | my mistake |
| 01:58.01 | bigl | bob2 - SBC |
| 01:58.08 | bigl | us |
| 01:58.14 | bob2 | bigl: I have no idea waht random american isp's use |
| 01:58.21 | bob2 | bigl: it also depends on how your modem is configured |
| 01:58.24 | JoshH | bigl: are you going to be using your debian box as your router? |
| 01:58.37 | bigl | no, just need regular DSL authen |
| 01:58.46 | JoshH | with just one public IP? |
| 01:58.50 | bigl | just tring to make a simple dl connection |
| 01:58.51 | bob2 | there's no such thing as "regular dsl authen" |
| 01:58.55 | inesa | dondelelcaro, yes, I understand that code speaks higher. But in this list, there is starting to be some talk about it and plans for code to be written, so my mockups are not totally useless in giving ideas to them, I think. |
| 01:58.56 | bob2 | dude |
| 01:58.57 | bigl | DHCP from |
| 01:58.59 | bigl | provider |
| 01:59.11 | bob2 | bigl: then you don't need to do anything to do with pppoe on your debian machine |
| 01:59.11 | JoshH | bigl: you should probably just set your dsl modem to use pppoa, and put your username nad password into it. |
| 01:59.11 | Hector_Hiram | My problem is that my system reboots when I try to run Debian from Virtual PC |
| 01:59.20 | bob2 | bigl: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 01:59.32 | bob2 | bigl: that'll show you how yo edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:59.49 | dondelelcaro | inesa: not totally useless, no... it's just that doing the work is as important as designing it |
| 02:00.09 | bigl | JoshH - my dls modem connects to my machine via eth0 |
| 02:00.33 | bigl | need to pass this password/user to modem I understand - Are you saying I can do this simple through the eth0 connect |
| 02:01.18 | inesa | dondelelcaro, I understand. So, for example, If I did these mockups in glade they could be more usefull (that's the current extent of my skills) ? |
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| 02:02.06 | Azar | apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm did not helped, I am booting in X |
| 02:02.10 | Azar | how can I stop this? |
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| 02:02.30 | Azar | !no dm |
| 02:02.42 | Azar | ah darn |
| 02:02.53 | Azar | should I remove it from /boot? |
| 02:03.28 | JoshH | bigl: im saying you should be able to put your username and password in the modem itself |
| 02:03.31 | JoshH | what dsl modem do you have? |
| 02:03.35 | JoshH | make/model |
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| 02:03.50 | bigl | JoshH - how would I do that? |
| 02:03.58 | JoshH | i would tell you to call sbc, but their tech support is probably worthless |
| 02:04.10 | JoshH | look at the modem and tell me what brand name it says on it |
| 02:04.11 | bigl | JoshH - it does suck - at least for linux |
| 02:04.21 | JoshH | your os shouldn't matter... |
| 02:04.25 | JoshH | have you ever had broadband before? |
| 02:04.27 | Azar | how can I stop X loading at boot time? |
| 02:04.34 | bigl | I 'm not there right now - think is a speedster or something? |
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| 02:04.54 | JoshH | bigl: it probably has a web interface, try going to it's internal IP in your browser |
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| 02:05.30 | gozz | can i get the media plugins for mozilla with apt-get? |
| 02:05.42 | bigl | JoshH - so your saying - just like my wireless router has a web interface that I set the settings, so does the actual DSL modem? |
| 02:05.54 | bigl | then just get IP from regular eth0? |
| 02:06.06 | JoshH | bigl: yes, most dsl modem's do, except for ciscos |
| 02:06.24 | bigl | so no need to dial via pppoe at all |
| 02:07.00 | inesa | With my mockups I tried not to do anything revolutionary, so that there shouldn't be a need to change debian-installer per se. Anyway, I'll probably improve these, finish some others, set up a webpage, and later anounce it in the list. Was just thirsting for a "yeah, that's a good direction" or "no, that's not the way to go" kind of feedback. |
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| 02:07.36 | JoshH | bigl: nope |
| 02:07.52 | bob2 | bigl: right, your modem can do all the ppoe stuff for you, and run an internal dhcp for your machine to use |
| 02:08.01 | p8m | bigl: pppoe frames will come over the eth0 interface |
| 02:08.59 | coywolf | anyone knows dmapi? |
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| 02:09.53 | bigl | JoshH bob2 - what would the interface ip be for the modem 192.168.0.1 or 1.1? |
| 02:10.01 | JoshH | it depends |
| 02:10.06 | bob2 | bigl: use dhcp to get an ip from it |
| 02:10.10 | JoshH | plug into the modem, get a dhcp ip, and see what the gateway is |
| 02:10.10 | pang215 | test |
| 02:10.12 | bob2 | bigl: then look at your default gateway |
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| 02:13.01 | pshaggy | when attempting to apt-get update I can't finish upgrading udev because I'm running a 2.11 kernel but I can't apt-get a new kernel because udev is only halfway installed from the update. How do I resolve this? |
| 02:13.30 | pshaggy | attempting apt-get upgrade that is |
| 02:14.15 | SteveLab | discon |
| 02:14.20 | JoshH | doesn't apt tell you what to do? |
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| 02:14.32 | gozz | is the mozilla internet application suite the package i need to watch videos from a web site? |
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| 02:14.38 | JoshH | like apt-get install --fix-missing |
| 02:14.39 | pshaggy | JoshH, apt-get -f install |
| 02:14.42 | pshaggy | (which doesn't work) |
| 02:14.56 | helix | pshaggy: urgh |
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| 02:15.12 | JoshH | gozz: no |
| 02:15.18 | Entranced | Hello |
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| 02:15.35 | helix | JoshH: why would that work? |
| 02:15.42 | sgeigerbot | helix: moo |
| 02:15.43 | Entranced | Any ideas what is up with udevd when upgrading to a new kernel ? |
| 02:15.49 | sgeigerbot | meow |
| 02:15.57 | sgeigerbot | arf |
| 02:16.01 | gozz | joshH what do i need to do so? |
| 02:16.08 | JoshH | helix: its an example of apt telling him what to do |
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| 02:16.13 | JoshH | not exactly that necessarily |
| 02:16.23 | JoshH | i dont know what it says on the udev upgrade because i didn't have that problem |
| 02:16.33 | pshaggy | I can paste to #flood if it'll help |
| 02:16.37 | helix | JoshH: but udev requires a newer kernel and he's unable to install one |
| 02:16.46 | JoshH | afaik the new version should install fine, but just not start up if you don't have >= 2.6.12 |
| 02:17.25 | pshaggy | helix, exactly |
| 02:17.25 | karma1 | I cant seem to pass port 80 thru my router and/or firewall -- I've opened up the tcp/udp port via iptables and opened it (as far as i know) via my router web-based conf, but it still wont allow outside connections. |
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| 02:17.26 | helix | pshaggy: in that case, it may be easier to get a new kernel from packages.debian.org |
| 02:17.26 | pshaggy | I've only got a 2.6.11 kernel but it won't let me upgrdae because udev isn't completely installed |
| 02:17.26 | helix | pshaggy: and install it with dpkg -i |
| 02:17.31 | helix | though hrm, I guess... I don't know if that'd make a difference |
| 02:17.46 | helix | I avoid using udev because of the maintainer's rather poor decisions... |
| 02:17.56 | sgeigerbot | karma1: Well there is definitely at least one place that is causing a problem. Rule out the others one at a time. |
| 02:17.58 | Hector_Hiram | I'm looking for technical support, can anybody give me technical support? The problem is that I am trying to install Debian on a Virtual PC to test it and see how it works and how it looks. The problem is that after the first phase of installation, Debian try to start, but suddenly, my computer competely reboot. Is there a workaround? |
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| 02:18.21 | sgeigerbot | karma1: if you dont' know which it is, you aren't likely going to find the problem. |
| 02:18.31 | Entranced | Since the kernel upgrade to 2.6.12 with the udev, I get the nice "blue screen" and X doesn't start (missing /dev/input/<various devices>) |
| 02:18.53 | dsfs | bob2 - I dont' think my modem has a way to log on via web interface . 192.168.0.1 should be the gateway for the modem - |
| 02:18.59 | sgeigerbot | karma1: that reminds me of my experience with love |
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| 02:19.05 | bob2 | dsfs: not for the modem, for you |
| 02:19.28 | karma1 | sgeigerbot: lol, you and me both -- but, how would i go upon finding where the problem is oringating from? :\ |
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| 02:20.47 | dsfs | bob2 I am logged on right now with the same type of dsl modem - how would I find the web interface |
| 02:20.50 | d0uglas_ | does oo handle .wpd format |
| 02:21.23 | dsfs | bob2 using FC2 on this computer though? |
| 02:21.27 | dondelelcaro | Hector_Hiram: it's pretty difficult for us to support installations of Debian onto fake proprietary hardware/software. |
| 02:21.42 | dondelelcaro | Hector_Hiram: your best bet is to do a real install or use a live cd. |
| 02:21.44 | dsfs | bob2 so ifup and ifdown do not show the actual DHCP conneciton |
| 02:21.48 | gozz | could somone tell me where to place codecs? |
| 02:21.49 | sgeigerbot | karma1: I'm going to /msg you the answer |
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| 02:22.14 | Hector_Hiram | dondelelcaro: so, I can't install it using Virtual PC? |
| 02:22.26 | bob2 | dsfs: I think our vocabularily mismatch is too high here |
| 02:22.26 | Hector_Hiram | dondelelcaro: I just don't have hard disk space in my computer |
| 02:22.36 | Hector_Hiram | dondelelcaro: Where can I find a live CD? |
| 02:22.49 | Dewi | Hector_Hiram: are you sure it's not meant to reboot? |
| 02:22.57 | Dewi | I mean, debian DOES reboot during the installation |
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| 02:23.14 | Dewi | it tells you to remove the boot CD first, as well. |
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| 02:23.25 | d0uglas_ | can open office open/save files in wpd/word perfect document) format? |
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| 02:23.40 | Hector_Hiram | Dewi: After the first phase, it reboots as said, but when it starts again, it reboots my whole system |
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| 02:23.46 | roby | Does apt-cache also search non-free if i specified such a source in sources.list? |
| 02:23.58 | bob2 | roby: yes |
| 02:24.15 | roby | bob2: I guess lame is not in non-free? |
| 02:24.22 | bob2 | roby: yes |
| 02:24.25 | bob2 | roby: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:24.26 | roby | k |
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| 02:24.40 | Hector_Hiram | Dewi: If I try to boot my Virtual PC, my whole system reboots after a little while |
| 02:24.51 | Dewi | Hector_Hiram: sounds like your virtualisation software might not be so great. But you can pass boot parameters to the installer to control what modules it loads |
| 02:25.17 | Dewi | if there is some installer log file, Hector_Hiram might be able to use it to determine what hardware to suppress |
| 02:25.27 | Hector_Hiram | Dewi: Is there's a way to go loading modules step-by-step? |
| 02:26.13 | bob2 | dsfs: get an IP from it's dhcp server |
| 02:26.14 | Dewi | probably not interactively. But looking at a log file will give you the same information, assuming one exists (which seems likely) |
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| 02:26.21 | bob2 | dsfs: then hit up the gateway in your web browser |
| 02:26.32 | Entranced | udev grrr... |
| 02:26.39 | pang215 | Hello, I'm looking for info to change monitor setup, I think I choose the wrong settings during instalation (resolution is very small). Using Sony Vaio laptop. |
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| 02:26.45 | Hector_Hiram | Dewi: I try to look for it |
| 02:26.47 | pshaggy | helix, thanks for the work around. The new kernel.deb looks to have installed fine. Time to reboot and cross my fingers |
| 02:27.15 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: why is installing onto fake proprietary hardware any less valid than installing onto physical proprietary hardware? |
| 02:27.21 | helix | pshaggy: did you make sure to reconfigure udev? |
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| 02:27.26 | Entranced | kernel 2.6.12 + udevd == headaches for over a week |
| 02:27.26 | helix | hum |
| 02:27.45 | dsfs | bob2 - I am not sure what command I would do this with other than ifup eth0 in order to get the IP?? In sarge it shows the gateway, etc. In FC 2 it gives no output |
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| 02:28.14 | dsfs | how else do I get an IP |
| 02:28.19 | ilpavox | anyone know how to stop debian from trying to bring up eth1 and not eth0 at startup? |
| 02:28.39 | roby | bob2: excellent, thank you |
| 02:28.56 | ilpavox | i mean to stop eth0 and bring up eth1 |
| 02:29.00 | bob2 | dsfs: then run "route -n" to find it out |
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| 02:29.07 | bob2 | ilpavox: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:29.14 | bob2 | ilpavox: auth eth0 = bring up eth0 on boot |
| 02:29.35 | ilpavox | thanks. also, how do i get enlightenment added to my sessions list? |
| 02:29.47 | golly | hey all......i can't find my /etc/raidtab file! |
| 02:30.02 | golly | I installed raidtools2 and mdadm and still can't find it. |
| 02:30.08 | slidesinger | I was going to ask that same question, only for icewm. |
| 02:30.10 | litage | i'm trying to create a user for djbdns, and despite specifying no login, it's still asking for a password. any idea why?: sudo adduser --disabled-login --shell /dev/null --no-create-home dnscache |
| 02:30.45 | slidesinger | ilpavox: are you using a display manager or startx? |
| 02:30.51 | golly | If I can't find it, do I just create one? |
| 02:31.10 | ilpavox | display manager |
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| 02:31.25 | fisious | can someone help me with a simple script? i'm not hot on scripting |
| 02:31.28 | slidesinger | ilpavox: which display manager are you using? |
| 02:31.44 | ilpavox | slide: whatever is installed with the regular debian installation |
| 02:31.54 | bob2 | litage: 'sudo adduser --uid 2000 --disabled-login virtual' just made me a user without asking for a password |
| 02:32.18 | dsfs | bob2 - ip's of interest are 68.72.143.254, 192.168.0.0 169.254.0.0 |
| 02:32.35 | dsfs | none of these bring up a web interface |
| 02:32.40 | Entranced | helix, any workaround for kernel + udev problems ? |
| 02:32.45 | bob2 | dsfs: neither of those are your gateway |
| 02:32.45 | slidesinger | ilpavox: There are only three: gdm (I think debian defaults to this, but am not sure) kdm, and xdm. |
| 02:33.00 | dsfs | bob2 didn't think so |
| 02:33.03 | helix | Entranced: I think your problem is different from pshaggy's -- no idea about yours |
| 02:33.04 | ilpavox | slide: gdm |
| 02:33.08 | dsfs | that's just what route -n did |
| 02:33.18 | Entranced | helix, thnx |
| 02:33.22 | bob2 | dsfs: paste the output to #flood |
| 02:33.23 | helix | Entranced: I recommend checking bugs.debian.org/udev, someone might've reported something about it |
| 02:33.37 | helix | and if so, there is likely a workaround mentioned |
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| 02:33.48 | helix | if not there, perhaps the README.Debian for udev |
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| 02:33.57 | Entranced | there have been numerous reports..I've been checking the bugzilla for a while |
| 02:34.02 | dsfs | bob2 pasted to flood |
| 02:34.03 | real | hi i get this error when i want to apt-get something |
| 02:34.05 | real | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 02:34.10 | real | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprog |
| 02:34.12 | bob2 | roby: upgrade to sarge already |
| 02:34.14 | slidesinger | ilpavox: I think you would add sessions for gdm via the gnome control panel. |
| 02:34.14 | bob2 | er |
| 02:34.19 | bob2 | real: upgrade to sarge |
| 02:34.19 | real | what can i do? |
| 02:34.29 | Entranced | udev is not creating /dev/input devices |
| 02:34.42 | bob2 | dsfs: right, that machine is doing pppoe itself |
| 02:34.43 | Entranced | makes X poop |
| 02:34.45 | liable | Entranced: roll back to an older version (in your apt cache) and put it on hold |
| 02:34.56 | Entranced | I'm back to 2.6.11 |
| 02:34.59 | ilpavox | slide: am i better off uninstalling gdm and using startx and regular window manager selection process? |
| 02:35.01 | dsfs | bob2 - in this case yes. How would I set it up the way you proposed? |
| 02:35.08 | liable | Entranced: older version of udev.. |
| 02:35.10 | bob2 | dsfs: why bother if it's working? |
| 02:35.18 | Wyzard | Entranced: Do you have the appropriate modules (psmouse, usbhid, etc.) loaded? |
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| 02:35.21 | dsfs | because I need to do this to the machine that's not working |
| 02:35.23 | dsfs | bob2 |
| 02:35.27 | Wyzard | Entranced: udev has been working fine for me |
| 02:35.38 | Entranced | Wyzard, it is quite weird |
| 02:35.41 | dsfs | bob2 because I need to do this to the machine that's not working |
| 02:35.41 | dsfs | <dsfs> bob2 |
| 02:35.41 | liable | Entranced: check bts for udev, and look at the resolved bugs, there quite a story about it.. |
| 02:35.43 | bob2 | dsfs: good luck |
| 02:35.46 | dsfs | it has the name router |
| 02:35.57 | Entranced | I had it working at one point and after reboot is pooped again |
| 02:35.57 | bob2 | I don't have time to walk you through this massive project |
| 02:35.57 | dsfs | same modem , I mean |
| 02:36.03 | bob2 | it's a matter of reading your modem manual, tho |
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| 02:36.40 | liable | Entranced: just downgrade udev.. |
| 02:36.48 | Entranced | I have no issues with 2.6.11 kernel since it doesn't use udev |
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| 02:37.10 | Entranced | liable, which udev is less problematic ? |
| 02:37.28 | liable | Entranced: just use whatever previous version you have in cache. |
| 02:37.38 | liable | Entranced: read ths bugs for it. |
| 02:37.46 | Entranced | k |
| 02:37.49 | Azar | in which situation a psaux, PS/2 mouse setting would not work (unless the mouse is screwed..) ? |
| 02:38.13 | liable | Azar: try /dev/input/mice |
| 02:38.28 | Azar | thanks, liable |
| 02:38.54 | Azar | woow thats nice: permission denied |
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| 02:40.53 | abrotman | liable: HELP! |
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| 02:41.16 | liable | abrotman: there, there, its ok.. |
| 02:41.19 | abrotman | liable: HELP! |
| 02:41.23 | liable | abrotman: there, there, its ok.. |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | liable: when will you be back! .. you're my favourite #d helper! |
| 02:41.45 | liable | abrotman: bite me! |
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| 02:43.02 | ilpavox | i don't see which controle pannel you add a wm to sessions menu with |
| 02:43.47 | sgeigerbot | ilpavox: Are you using gdm? |
| 02:43.52 | ilpavox | yea |
| 02:44.15 | sgeigerbot | ilpavox: gdmsetup -- config gdm |
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| 02:45.15 | pshaggy | there is no kernel-image in testing > 2.6.11 yet this is what that version of udev is trying to install. Is there a forum somewhere with a bugzilla type functionality or is this the best place for that (RTFMing this particular issue) |
| 02:45.35 | jmg | pshaggy: apt-get install reportbug |
| 02:45.37 | humbolt | I am trying to connect to a pptp server with linux. the pptp server works (m0n0wall) and when I connect with the mac osx client, I can ping everything and everything else works fine as well. however, connecting with linux (pptpconfig) works, but no ping goes trough. the status screen however shows incoming and outgoing bypes/packages increasing on ping. |
| 02:45.39 | ilpavox | sgeigerbot: there is no option for it in there... just stuff for changing the greeter graphic etc |
| 02:45.49 | thegeekdom | Hey, I am trying to get php to run on debian woody. I installed apache, installed php 4, inabled all the php in httpd.conf and php is not working. |
| 02:45.51 | humbolt | what could be the problem? |
| 02:45.54 | thegeekdom | What do I do next ? |
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| 02:47.03 | slidesinger | ilpavox: No. This is linux, you design the system to your tastes/needs. Using a display manager or startx is a choice based on your personal preference. |
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| 02:47.53 | RogueDopple | what about the cowboys he eh |
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| 02:48.29 | pshaggy | jmg, thanks for the tip. I've not seen that software before |
| 02:48.42 | pshaggy | I feel much better that it isn't just me ;) |
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| 02:49.36 | humbolt | does anybody have any idea what could be the reason that my pptp connection builds up properly, but no ping goes through? |
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| 02:50.48 | slidesinger | I have something a little more complicated that I need to do for a client. He is using xdm/xbanner to provide a customised login screen with a legal warning concerning data stored on the system. He needs some users to have only access to Windows through terminal server/rdesktop, some users to have access only to thunderbird email, and some users to have access only to the 3270 mainframe session, and some to have access to the |
| 02:51.05 | slidesinger | Can this be done via .xsession? |
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| 02:52.13 | slidesinger | e.g. exec icewm-session & or exec rdesktopn & or exec mozilla-thunderbird & ? |
| 02:52.20 | concept10 | slidesinger: tell him to just write a company policy :) |
| 02:52.22 | Dewi | could anyone direct me to an instance of a free program for visual diffing of *binary* files? |
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| 02:52.50 | Dewi | interpret "free" whichever way. |
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| 02:53.39 | vird | how do i increase the time before a system assumes the dns resolution has failed ? |
| 02:54.02 | roby | update-grub: I want to have a splashimage on boot, what do I name the gz file for this tool to detect it? |
| 02:54.05 | humbolt | what can be the cause, when the ping actually causes RX-OK TX-OK to increase but just does not end up with a success in the ping program? |
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| 02:55.25 | Dewi | humbolt: my ping program doesn't have "rx-ok" and "tx-ok". what are they? |
| 02:55.59 | roby | Nevermind, i checked the source of update-grub |
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| 02:57.51 | slidesinger | concept10: This is a security issue. The only mainframe application is the accounting app. That data is restricted. The only windows app is the CRM program. Same deal. Basic ofice apps are delivered on the Linux program. I sold him on this installation two years ago on the basis of Linux great flexibility. Currently he has windows boxes that do exactly what I just suggested for the windows and mainframe apps, but based on |
| 02:58.47 | slidesinger | I was thinking I could use the .xsession file to accomplish this in linux, but don't have the equipment to try a tesbed before going into his place. Just wanting to check if my theory is sound. |
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| 02:59.28 | slidesinger | that is, no windows or IBM 3270 in my basement lab. |
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| 03:03.57 | humbolt | netstat -i |
| 03:04.20 | humbolt | dewi: netstat -i shows that |
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| 03:05.02 | Dewi | humbolt: well TX will increase as ping transmits pings |
| 03:05.13 | Dewi | humbolt: RX might increase if routers return responses such as "timeout" |
| 03:05.28 | Dewi | or "no route" |
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| 03:06.09 | pshaggy | um, I'm reading the reportbug stuff about udev issues. Do things always get that snarky/flamy? |
| 03:06.21 | Azar | thank you all and good day. |
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| 03:07.00 | ilpavox | how do you xhange the window manager is xdm? |
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| 03:07.05 | Dewi | humbolt: sometimes ping shows you such messages of course |
| 03:07.10 | Dewi | humbolt: but I have found not always |
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| 03:07.42 | fisious | easy on for you. how do i restart my xserver |
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| 03:08.56 | Nafed | how would i go on limiting the space each added user can have to 1gb |
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| 03:09.39 | lakcaj | !tell Nafed about quota |
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| 03:10.02 | Nafed | thanks champ |
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| 03:10.23 | fisious | easy on for you. how do i restart my xserver |
| 03:10.38 | lakcaj | fisious: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 03:10.43 | jbroome | !tell fisious about repeats |
| 03:10.46 | bucky | fisious /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 03:10.47 | fisious | from shell |
| 03:10.52 | fisious | thx |
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| 03:11.19 | fisious | gnome. i can't find stuff today |
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| 03:11.59 | bucky | fisious, top tool bar->Desktop->Logout |
| 03:12.17 | fisious | no |
| 03:12.22 | fisious | that has crashed |
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| 03:12.31 | sgeigerbot | fisious: "Now, a few words on looking for things. When you go looking for something specific, your chances of finding it are very bad. Because, of all the things in the world, you're only looking for one of them. When you go looking for anything at all, your chances of finding it are very good. Because, of all the things in the world, you're sure to find some of them." -- Darryl Zero, The Zero Effect |
| 03:12.33 | fisious | i need to restart from /etc/init.d/ me thinks |
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| 03:12.47 | fisious | could that bot stop spamming |
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| 03:13.14 | slidesinger | !xdm |
| 03:13.14 | dpkg | xdm is probably the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
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| 03:13.34 | coywolf | anyone knows dmapi? |
| 03:14.08 | slidesinger | !.xsession |
| 03:14.08 | dpkg | .xsession is probably : see the "xsession" entry, and/or startx(1) |
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| 03:14.24 | slidesinger | !xsession |
| 03:14.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 03:14.55 | sgeigerbot | fisious: think about it. |
| 03:15.04 | fisious | i cant. i have hangover |
| 03:15.39 | buu | Hrm. I was trying to install a program that keeps segfaulting. So I read the readme and it says "So the easy fix is to install a libc which was compiled for linux-2.4 (or 2.6) using the "--enable-kernel=2.4 i586-pc-linux-gnu" configure options." Is there a good, clean way to do this under debian? |
| 03:15.59 | slidesinger | !xinitrc |
| 03:15.59 | dpkg | i guess xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 03:16.20 | slidesinger | !.xinitrc |
| 03:16.20 | dpkg | hmm... .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
| 03:16.47 | sgeigerbot | !+xsession |
| 03:16.48 | dpkg | somebody said xsession was ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 03:17.12 | humbolt | dewi: since it is a virtual interface pptp and therefore directly connected to the p-t-p partner that I want to ping, no rx should occure if the ping does not come back. |
| 03:17.22 | humbolt | but there is |
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| 03:18.28 | vick | what does debian have to offer more than gentoo ? |
| 03:18.30 | bcc | is it possible to use chroot for a non-root user? |
| 03:18.54 | buu | bcc: Not *as* a non-root user, unless you involved setuid |
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| 03:19.46 | bcc | ok, but if i call chroot su mysuer then everything started inside that process will not be able to get root's privileges? |
| 03:20.03 | gozz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:20.25 | Supaplex | vick: a reduction in green house gases! ;) |
| 03:20.36 | vick | heh |
| 03:20.36 | gozz | the people in #kde dont have a clue |
| 03:20.43 | vick | You mean the processor ? |
| 03:20.55 | buu | bcc: Right. |
| 03:21.15 | sanxiyn | !find libkplayerpart.la |
| 03:21.24 | Tremulant | hi, which glibc version is shipped with debian 3.0? |
| 03:21.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libkplayerpart.la' returned no results. |
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| 03:21.49 | sanxiyn | Tremulant: 2.2.5 |
| 03:21.59 | vick | Supaplex, really |
| 03:22.02 | buu | So. How do I get a libc compiled for 2.4? |
| 03:22.31 | slidesinger | !xsession-errors |
| 03:22.50 | slidesinger | !.xsession-errors |
| 03:23.12 | sanxiyn | !warning |
| 03:23.12 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 03:23.40 | Tremulant | sanxiyn, thanks a lot. just a question. how can I find that out in debian? I mean, what command should I use? thanks again :) |
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| 03:24.16 | sanxiyn | Tremulant: I looked at http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 03:24.46 | sanxiyn | Tremulant: As you can see, Woody had 2.2.5, Sarge has 2.3.2. |
| 03:24.47 | bucky | Tremulant, dpkg -l glibc* will tell you if you're on the machine |
| 03:24.47 | Tremulant | sanxiyn, oh, I get it. so glibc is part of libc6? |
| 03:25.04 | Tremulant | thanks guys :) |
| 03:25.10 | Tremulant | have a nice day :) |
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| 03:25.38 | sanxiyn | gozz: Apparently, Debian doesn't have libkplayerpart.la file. |
| 03:25.53 | Supaplex | vick: yea, cpu. :). all packages in stable are synched on dependencies, etch and sid are most allways up to date, but occasionally loose sync on some dependencies. |
| 03:26.46 | Supaplex | vick: and if you need, you can download the source and roll your own |
| 03:27.31 | sanxiyn | Supaplex: But you don't get to set CFLAGS. |
| 03:28.54 | sanxiyn | Supaplex: Sure, there's pentium-builder (bad name, it can set any flags), which is a workaround... |
| 03:28.54 | Supaplex | sanxiyn: debian/rules makefile. |
| 03:29.16 | sanxiyn | Supaplex: And? |
| 03:29.34 | Supaplex | you can set CFLAGS there |
| 03:30.00 | sanxiyn | Supaplex: Well, it's automatic in Gentoo. You set it once in /etc/make.conf. |
| 03:30.37 | bucky | i just set mine in /etc/profile |
| 03:31.36 | bucky | and apt-get libc6-i686 |
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| 03:32.12 | Supaplex | you do have to take into account, at which point are you receiving diminishing returns? |
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| 03:33.00 | sanxiyn | Supaplex: I am just saying "building from source" is better supported in Gentoo than Debian. |
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| 03:35.04 | Supaplex | it has to be, because w/o it gentoo is dead :) not to imply debian is incapable in any way just because it's not the same as gentoo |
| 03:35.21 | Supaplex | but anyway, I like them both. |
| 03:35.37 | jlmb | Supaplex: without what? |
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| 03:36.15 | sanxiyn | Supaplex: Debian is currently incapable of supporint building from source as well as Gentoo. |
| 03:36.20 | Supaplex | gentoo w/o 'building from source' |
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| 03:41.09 | Dewi | vick / sanxiyn : seems like with the complicated build processes, gentoo would break more often. Is this the case? |
| 03:41.18 | reuq | if your colours got screwed by some bad program in x (everything is a shade of blue) how do you change it back into a normal colour mode |
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| 03:41.52 | Supaplex | reuq: plug in the vga cable firmly? *shrug* |
| 03:42.14 | reuq | supaplex: colour works fine ,the execution of the buggy program made this so |
| 03:42.17 | Supaplex | reuq: it's not blueish on a login console is it? (outside of X) |
| 03:42.25 | reuq | supalex its fine |
| 03:42.36 | Supaplex | that's odd. |
| 03:42.38 | reuq | supalex, if i kill and start x again its back to normal |
| 03:42.45 | reuq | supalex, so its the program |
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| 03:43.25 | sanxiyn | Dewi: It's pretty stable if you stick with stable branch. |
| 03:43.35 | Dewi | sanxiyn: how often does it update? |
| 03:43.46 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Days. |
| 03:44.38 | sanxiyn | Dewi: (stable is default, you can set keywords like ~x86, which menas not yet stable in that arch.) |
| 03:44.47 | sanxiyn | Oh, this ain't #gentoo. Go http://www.gentoo.org/ |
| 03:44.55 | Dewi | :) |
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| 03:46.13 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Namely http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3&chap=3 |
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| 03:47.28 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Looks familiar, no? |
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| 03:48.58 | JoJO_JOJO | how do i move my home folder? |
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| 03:49.33 | sanxiyn | JoJO_JOJO: You don't? |
| 03:49.37 | maher | JoJO_JOJO: do you mean mv it to /random/place o rmove it to a different partition? |
| 03:49.38 | Gnea | home folder? |
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| 03:49.53 | JoJO_JOJO | move it to a different partition |
| 03:50.04 | rutski89 | does MSPaint compress a pic at all when it saves to jpeg? I took a screen shot, saved in paint, 900KB file. Opned the file in Gimp, saved with 100% jpeg quality, not its 87KB O.o |
| 03:50.06 | dabaR | !hi |
| 03:50.06 | dpkg | hello, dabar |
| 03:50.18 | maher | JoJO_JOJO: just mv it and then make a symlink pointing to it |
| 03:50.28 | sanxiyn | rutski89: Don't save screenshot in jpeg? |
| 03:50.40 | dabaR | !nickometer |
| 03:50.46 | JoJO_JOJO | maher would moving it and editing fstab work? |
| 03:50.49 | rutski89 | sanxiyn: ? |
| 03:50.59 | Gnea | rutski89: never go above 95% |
| 03:51.31 | maher | JoJO_JOJO: is it going to have its own partition just for /home/user? is anything else going to be on the new partition? |
| 03:51.38 | rutski89 | Gnea: heh, it was for testing purposes :-p |
| 03:52.07 | maher | rutski89: MSPaint is probably a bitmap with no compression |
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| 03:52.15 | sanxiyn | rutski89: JPEG is bad for straight line, text, iconic graphic. |
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| 03:52.29 | sanxiyn | rutski89: It's mainly for realistic scene photograph. |
| 03:52.39 | JoJO_JOJO | home and more than one user /home/user1 /home/user2 |
| 03:52.42 | jclinton | anyone know of any way to improve font kerning in debian? |
| 03:52.49 | Gnea | JoJO_JOJO: man mv |
| 03:52.52 | sanxiyn | rutski89: For example, it blurs lines. |
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| 03:53.33 | maher | JoJO_JOJO: if you want all of home on another partition then that's easy - but if you want to have some /home/users on one and some on another then that's more awkward |
| 03:53.54 | JoJO_JOJO | all home on one partition |
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| 03:54.17 | sanxiyn | jclinton: "improve"? Default looks fine for me... any specific problem (character sequence wrongly kerned)? |
| 03:54.35 | maher | JoJO_JOJO: ok - then just mv /home to the new partition and edit fstab, and mount the new partition as home |
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| 03:55.00 | electron1 | How much kb is 32mb? |
| 03:55.07 | maher | JoJO_JOJO: sorry - mv /home/* to the new partition - you still want a /home mount point |
| 03:55.08 | jclinton | yea i see anomalies all the time |
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| 03:55.19 | sanxiyn | jclinton: For example? |
| 03:55.27 | Supaplex | !32*1024 |
| 03:55.27 | dpkg | 32768 |
| 03:55.50 | electron1 | thanks |
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| 03:56.16 | jclinton | like 'debian' at certain font sizes, sanxiyn -- the 'eb' has too much space |
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| 03:57.17 | xerophyte | i have stunnel installed and running cherrypy server behind it .. but stunnel dies for no reason does anybody can tell me where can i look into it .. i looked at the log there is nothing about crashing or error when restart it works then it dies itself ?? |
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| 03:58.00 | JoJO_JOJO | maher thanks for the help |
| 03:58.21 | JoJO_JOJO | gonna reboot and see how it works |
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| 03:59.44 | electron1 | whats the command to configure x? |
| 03:59.45 | sanxiyn | jclinton: Font and program? |
| 03:59.45 | g8se | Anyone running a system with resolvconf and an authorative-only bind9 install? |
| 04:00.11 | jclinton | sanxiyn: anything using freetype2 -- bitstream vera sans |
| 04:00.32 | sanxiyn | Eh, I don't see that. |
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| 04:00.37 | g8se | My resolvconf keeps putting 127.0.0.1 into /etc/resolv.conf, so lookups go to the bind9 server that isn't supposed to answer looks for most lookups (like google.com) |
| 04:00.38 | dabaR | bill g8s:) |
| 04:00.46 | sanxiyn | Perhaps I'm blind to typography, but I don't see any "too wide" space in D<eb>ian. |
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| 04:01.19 | sanxiyn | jclinton: Perhaps you can edit Bitstream Vera Sans font yourself if you want to correct kerning. |
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| 04:01.38 | jclinton | bleh |
| 04:01.52 | g8se | dabaR: ? I don't grok |
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| 04:02.31 | dabaR | its just a sentence, not much to it. |
| 04:03.04 | debian_newbie88 | how to disable squid on boot loader? |
| 04:03.37 | simonrvn | boot loader doesn't manage init scripts |
| 04:03.38 | electron1 | How much kb is 32mb? |
| 04:03.41 | debian_newbie88 | because I want start service manual. |
| 04:03.44 | maher | debian_newbie88: do you mean on start up? just remove squid |
| 04:03.45 | electron1 | i missed it |
| 04:04.00 | electron1 | !32*1024 |
| 04:04.00 | dpkg | 32768 |
| 04:04.00 | simonrvn | or rm the symlink in rc2.d |
| 04:04.04 | maher | debian_newbie88: then do update-rc.d -f squid remove |
| 04:04.17 | g8se | debian_newbie88: try the command..., yeah, what maher said |
| 04:04.43 | sanxiyn | rcconf -> unselect squid -> save. |
| 04:04.50 | simonrvn | i use file-rc |
| 04:05.46 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: What are the merits to switch to file-rc? |
| 04:06.12 | simonrvn | for me, less headaches |
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| 04:06.54 | g8se | simonrvn: update-rc.d should work with file-rc as well |
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| 04:07.21 | simonrvn | i know. it does. |
| 04:07.26 | g8se | sanxiyn: I like file-rc, because all your configuration on what gets started when is in one file, which you can then revision control if you like, or backup easily, or just plain edit with a text editor |
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| 04:07.44 | sanxiyn | g8se: Thanks. |
| 04:08.03 | simonrvn | and there's always the fallback file if the .conf file puked for some reason |
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| 04:08.34 | g8se | bye |
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| 04:08.39 | simonrvn | disable something: # |
| 04:08.42 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 04:08.52 | roby | Does Debian edit my /etc/hosts file on bootup? |
| 04:09.02 | simonrvn | no |
| 04:09.04 | racarter | i need to convert a .wmv to .avi or some other format, is there such a utility on linux? |
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| 04:09.50 | Lilldude_ | got old lap top no cd drive is there netinstall damsmall linux from floppy? |
| 04:10.04 | maher | racarter: i assume mplayer can do that |
| 04:10.06 | dondelelcaro | racarter: mplayer can do some of that, convert is occasionally useful in that regard as well. |
| 04:10.19 | sudarat_ | դ |
| 04:10.35 | nvz | roby: nope |
| 04:11.04 | roby | nvz: my isp assings me a hostname CPE289359ae-235238e ... the likes of that... that value is found in my /etc/hosts file |
| 04:11.19 | sudarat_ | ҧ |
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| 04:12.35 | nvz | roby: yeah so, what are you telling me for? |
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| 04:12.57 | nvz | sudarat_: do you speak any english? |
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| 04:13.34 | nvz | because I don't decipher or paint hieroglypics |
| 04:13.35 | roby | nvz: sorry... i'm like trying to figure this out for myself .... but having no luck: samba is reporting false machine names on my other windows xp boxes... so when i try to connect to it, it keeps saying that the mahcine was not found |
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| 04:13.50 | pattern | anyone know how to increase the default font size in wine? |
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| 04:14.30 | roby | nvz: don't worry about it, i'll keep trying at it |
| 04:14.32 | nvz | pattern: I don't see how wine could have a default font size when font sizes are application specific |
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| 04:14.36 | roby | nvz: thanks though |
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| 04:16.46 | nvz | [n=sudarat@203.113.71.135] smells like teen spirit |
| 04:17.19 | pattern | nvz, ok, thanks... i'll search around re my specfic app |
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| 04:17.27 | nvz | which is how I say skript kiddies at play |
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| 04:18.01 | sudarat_ | й |
| 04:18.10 | nvz | interesting |
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| 04:18.52 | Azar | hmm strange..I had to manually edit XF86Config-4 in order to replace "nv" with "nvidia" and a cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 was recommended |
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| 04:19.26 | Azar | now why is this strange? because dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 gets you back to a "nv" option |
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| 04:19.41 | Azar | or am I mistaken.. |
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| 04:19.54 | dondelelcaro | Azar: right, because dpkg-reconfigure doesn't have nvidia as an option, which it shouldn't. |
| 04:20.01 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.04 | dondelelcaro | Azar: if you want it to keep your options, you can't use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:20.11 | roby | nvz: you know how for windows computers you can set the computer name right? Is that the same as it's hostname? |
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| 04:20.30 | Azar | dondelecaro, it seems to be a reasonable observation then |
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| 04:20.43 | nvz | dondelelcaro: /lastlog 203.113.71.135 and/or /lastlog sudarat :-/ |
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| 04:20.45 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: are you there? |
| 04:21.34 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, I had been looking at that earlier |
| 04:21.37 | nvz | sudarat is the only one I see spamming bs in here, but the IP has been used under many aliases over the past ver hours |
| 04:21.39 | maher | roby: man hosts, man hostname |
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| 04:21.51 | sudarat_ | are you? |
| 04:22.04 | csheppard | does anyone know if need for speed underground will work with linux |
| 04:22.11 | nvz | wow you speak english, Impressive. |
| 04:22.37 | bob2 | if games are your primary purpose in life, debian is not for you |
| 04:22.46 | bob2 | perhaps www.transgaming.com can help you |
| 04:23.04 | csheppard | but is there a way? |
| 04:23.12 | Azar | I am getting so bored everytime I get X installed |
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| 04:23.28 | nvz | I've never tried cedega but surely its got to be too much like work compared to wintendo |
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| 04:24.02 | nvz | games arent about work, and work isnt about games. no point blurring the lines between them |
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| 04:24.24 | csheppard | i just started using debian a few days ago |
| 04:24.31 | maher | nvz: spose you work as a game developer? |
| 04:24.39 | Azar | nvz isn't that strange that my friend got no mouse movement when he installed openbox, but after getting gnome, mouse started working? it seems strange to me that a desktop would have a live mouse and another no... |
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| 04:24.58 | nvz | maher: heh. true. or a tester |
| 04:25.08 | dabaR | haha |
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| 04:25.08 | roby | maher: thanks |
| 04:25.08 | Azar | nice job, nvz |
| 04:25.19 | d0uglas | which nick's the bot tonight |
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| 04:25.25 | maher | nvz: being a game tester isn't a job... |
| 04:25.31 | sudarat_ | I love you |
| 04:25.40 | d0uglas | nice |
| 04:25.54 | Azar | Id like better working as a wine tester |
| 04:25.57 | nvz | d0uglas: apt, dpkg, ravenbird, debhelper, ChanServ |
| 04:26.15 | nvz | I'd love to % +b you, but chanserv wont let me |
| 04:26.19 | maher | Azar: you can get paid to do that - helps if you're female under the age of 25... |
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| 04:26.30 | bob2 | "fool's gold" by the stone roses may be the catchiest song, ever |
| 04:26.57 | maher | bob2: whay about kylie singing you should be so lucky? |
| 04:26.57 | nvz | maher: really? |
| 04:26.57 | rutski89 | Can someone test this link? http://hosting.glidebox.com/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 04:27.00 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Then don't bring it up! |
| 04:27.04 | d0uglas | nvz: what? hey the two i had known, apt and dpkg, were unresponsive so i asked that so i could first ask my annoying questions with a bot before the channel |
| 04:27.08 | d0uglas | cut me some slack boss |
| 04:27.15 | Azar | nvz, I remember well you helped me over with sound (alsa) issues last year.. its been long, but now I am prepared to configure again, should I remove oss modules even before installing alsa? |
| 04:27.18 | maher | nvz: that demographic has the best taste buds apparently... |
| 04:27.20 | bob2 | maher: bah |
| 04:27.26 | nvz | d0uglas: they ignore you if you ask them about things they dont know |
| 04:27.27 | bob2 | maher: we only export annoying things |
| 04:27.38 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: it's a good song, I thought everyone should know |
| 04:27.40 | Azar | maher , good one :) |
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| 04:27.48 | nvz | maher: I was talking about the game testers not being a job |
| 04:28.04 | nvz | maher: every game I ever played has an extensive list of tester credits |
| 04:28.19 | maher | nvz: yeah - but did they get paid? :) |
| 04:28.28 | nvz | maher: I dont know, but I thought so |
| 04:28.43 | Azar | maybe they got paid, unlike the huge amount of ms's testers |
| 04:28.46 | d0uglas | nvz: .. ok .. you threw me off with the i would ban you thing but now i got it. |
| 04:29.15 | maher | nvz: google says you are right... |
| 04:29.33 | nvz | d0uglas: I was talking indirectly about a % +b *!*@203.113.71.135 |
| 04:30.01 | d0uglas | Ahh .. Sorry :) |
| 04:30.52 | d0uglas | i thought caphuso had been using your nick for a second |
| 04:31.00 | nvz | fortunately for those bots or idiot chanserv doesn't allow me to do that here. so they can continue being an stupid |
| 04:31.28 | dabaR | your grammar escapes me. |
| 04:31.50 | nvz | my grammer? sure it escapes everyone, its non-existant |
| 04:32.15 | dabaR | your pioint as well escapes me. but it is irrelevant most likely. |
| 04:32.19 | dabaR | I mean, to me. |
| 04:32.29 | Azar | thank you dkpg you are the smarter and nicer helper |
| 04:33.26 | bob2 | ETOOEARLY |
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| 04:38.03 | waTR | Does anyone know how to fix the issue in debian 3.1 under KDE when running "rhythmbox" and you switch to a different station or song one gets an error saying that the device /usr/dsp is in use and could not stop playback? |
| 04:38.34 | waTR | it goes away after like 1 minute though |
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| 04:39.31 | nvz | waTR: device nodes in /usr/ ? |
| 04:40.23 | waTR | nvz: I think its actually dev/dsp one sec let me check |
| 04:40.56 | waTR | nvz: yeah its /dev/dsp sorry |
| 04:41.35 | waTR | nvz: the problem occurs randomly (or atleast thats how it seems) |
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| 04:42.21 | nvz | waTR: try real hard to come up with more info or this is a random non-issue |
| 04:42.51 | waTR | nvz: I am not really sure what kind of info you are looking for |
| 04:43.14 | gloin | oddball question: I've downloaded the netinstall ISO, the md5sum is correct, I've tried burning it twice, but no matter what, I get "Operating System Not Found" from the BIOS |
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| 04:43.37 | bob2 | sure it's trying to boot the CD? |
| 04:43.43 | gloin | bob2: yeah |
| 04:43.47 | bob2 | and check the md5sum of the cd itself? |
| 04:43.56 | bob2 | some drives don't like booting cds burnt above 4x |
| 04:44.00 | nvz | waTR: more specifically what is happening when you get such an error and exactly what the error is |
| 04:44.01 | gloin | ahh |
| 04:44.07 | gloin | the drive is ancient |
| 04:44.12 | gloin | but it boots other stuff I've burned |
| 04:44.19 | gloin | on the same equipment |
| 04:44.26 | gloin | the whole system is pretty old |
| 04:44.30 | gloin | dual PII Xeon |
| 04:44.45 | gloin | but it all works well enough for what I want to do with it |
| 04:44.45 | bob2 | hm |
| 04:44.51 | nvz | waTR: solvable issues should usually be recreatable mentally if not physically |
| 04:44.58 | bob2 | my dual p2-350 is a very capable sserver |
| 04:45.03 | bob2 | hp used to make such nice hardware |
| 04:45.03 | gloin | yeah |
| 04:45.07 | gloin | heh |
| 04:45.10 | gloin | this is all whitebox |
| 04:45.14 | gloin | actually, milkcrate |
| 04:45.18 | dna_ | how do I get libmp3lame.so ? |
| 04:45.21 | waTR | nvz: right...ill try to narrow it down to something specific and come back |
| 04:45.28 | waTR | nvz: thanks |
| 04:45.29 | dna_ | I need it for audacity to export .mp3 formate |
| 04:45.35 | nvz | dna_: /msg dpkg lame |
| 04:46.13 | bob2 | gloin: does the cd mount ok, etc? |
| 04:46.18 | gloin | bob2: yeah |
| 04:46.23 | bob2 | how odd |
| 04:46.23 | gloin | it's fine on my desktop machine |
| 04:46.31 | bob2 | it boots on another machine? |
| 04:46.35 | gloin | hrm |
| 04:46.39 | gloin | haven't tested _that_ |
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| 04:48.34 | gloin | bob2: this be the server: http://flickr.com/photos/taupehat/sets/567684/ |
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| 04:50.54 | bob2 | nvz: I've always wanted a pimp calculator |
| 04:51.02 | gloin | hehe |
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| 04:51.18 | dna_ | -su: make: command not found |
| 04:51.23 | dna_ | why does this happen? |
| 04:51.30 | gloin | dna_: you don't have automake installed? |
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| 04:52.51 | bob2 | dna_: install the build-essential package |
| 04:53.10 | nvz | bob2: yeah it does all its math in Binary Coded Decimal on its 613Khz cpu, not binary arithmetic like those shitty pcs |
| 04:53.19 | nvz | bob2: even has a built-in thermal printer |
| 04:53.24 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:53.28 | bob2 | hahaha |
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| 04:53.42 | bob2 | gloin: haha |
| 04:53.43 | dabaR | that is a funny HP computer... |
| 04:53.51 | bob2 | gloin: is that a washing basket? |
| 04:53.57 | gloin | bob2: no, a milk crate =] |
| 04:54.03 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 04:54.37 | bob2 | I'm still amazed modern intel cpus run at 3+Ghz, can access gigabytes of RAM, and still have instructions for processing BCD |
| 04:54.46 | ke6isf | Hmm... guess my cats wanted to ask something earlier. |
| 04:55.07 | dabaR | haha |
| 04:55.18 | nvz | oh god.. I have a friend that would actually do something like that milk crate server. |
| 04:55.21 | gloin | heh |
| 04:55.26 | gloin | nvz: I like it |
| 04:55.29 | gloin | it's stackable |
| 04:55.32 | gloin | frell racks |
| 04:55.39 | gloin | I can get as many of those things as I want |
| 04:55.44 | gloin | and ventilation is great! |
| 04:55.51 | nvz | he has a piece of wire tied to his monitor cable and tied to the case.. hold it in place cause its got a short in it or something.. and if you dont hold up on it the colors emss up |
| 04:55.53 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 04:56.06 | gloin | heh |
| 04:56.15 | gloin | actually, the whole thing is held together by zip ties |
| 04:56.26 | gloin | I figured that was the best way to assemble a milk crate server |
| 04:56.30 | gloin | and they work very well |
| 04:56.30 | bob2 | yeah |
| 04:56.35 | gloin | even the power supply is ziptied |
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| 04:56.36 | gloin | motherboard |
| 04:56.38 | gloin | hard drive |
| 04:56.40 | bob2 | you need ties to get the proper ghetto image |
| 04:56.41 | gloin | all zip ties |
| 04:56.41 | bob2 | ;) |
| 04:56.44 | gloin | that's right |
| 04:56.48 | gloin | that thing is pure ghetto |
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| 04:58.29 | d0uglas | can i run mysql and postgrwhateversql at the same time? like it aint no thang? |
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| 04:58.42 | nvz | I tend to hesitate to use plastic stuff around pcs cause I fear it may generate static electricity |
| 04:59.00 | gloin | yeah |
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| 04:59.04 | d0uglas | danger of static electricity ... overstated |
| 04:59.08 | gloin | if it starts acting up I'll ground things together |
| 04:59.10 | gloin | but it's ok |
| 04:59.17 | gloin | except for the lunched filesystem |
| 04:59.20 | gloin | but that was my fault |
| 04:59.27 | gloin | 150-GB partition, reiserfs |
| 04:59.44 | maher | d0uglas: you can run as many db's as you like... |
| 04:59.46 | gloin | just begging for a power outage to frell it the hard way |
| 05:01.08 | d0uglas | mahar: i wont ever need to, .. but that is nonetheless badass, just to know. And for free too. |
| 05:01.15 | gloin | You have no chance to survive make your time. |
| 05:01.59 | maher | d0uglas: no - you have to pay me |
| 05:02.27 | Nafed | how would i go on limiting each directory in /usr/games/hlds/clients to 1gb? |
| 05:02.34 | d0uglas | i'm a peripheral visionary ... |
| 05:03.16 | maher | Nafed: use quota |
| 05:03.16 | d0uglas | Guys.. seriously.. Imagine of birds were tickled by feathers |
| 05:04.16 | Nafed | i dont ussually use linux.. i done "man quota" but that might as well be chinesse to me |
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| 05:05.57 | maher | Nafed: google quota howto |
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| 05:06.39 | karma1 | I cant seem to pass port 80 thru my router and/or firewall -- I've opened up the tcp/udp port via iptables and completely disabled mt router firewall and also enabled dmz via my router, but it still wont allow outside connections. |
| 05:06.58 | liable | karma1: does your isp allow it? |
| 05:07.17 | d0uglas | Whenever I think about the past, it brings back so many memories. |
| 05:07.18 | karma1 | liable: yea, i've ran http servers in the past :\ |
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| 05:08.09 | nvz | d0uglas: did you just hit the crackpipe :P |
| 05:08.26 | nvz | !mith d0uglas |
| 05:08.49 | Nafed | this sounds more confusing heh |
| 05:08.51 | d0uglas | you know what .. i did just injest a substantial amount of amphetamine, so you're pretty close |
| 05:09.01 | d0uglas | you got good instincts |
| 05:09.52 | d0uglas | I stayed in a really old hotel last night. They sent me a wakeup letter. |
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| 05:10.20 | Nafed | oh |
| 05:10.34 | Nafed | isnt there anything that`ll set a quota up without making me reboot? |
| 05:11.05 | d0uglas | of all things that could be set up without needing a reboot ... Quotas?! |
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| 05:12.03 | maher | Nafed: see if you have quota support i your kernel |
| 05:12.03 | d0uglas | Nafed: set your motd to a well written plea to your users to go easy on the hard drive |
| 05:12.31 | Nafed | maher, how do i do that? d0uglas its not my server its my brothers |
| 05:12.52 | maher | Nafed: grep -i quota /boot/config-2.xx.xx |
| 05:13.16 | d0uglas | Nafed: who's the Idea Guy in this picture? or do you both know linux |
| 05:13.32 | kataklsym | does anyone know the default username/password that mlnet/mlgui uses? |
| 05:13.35 | Nafed | he left me a note this morning saying that vthe users were taking up all the space and to see if you guys can guide me into limiting each user to 1gb |
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| 05:14.02 | Nafed | maher, that command returned nothing |
| 05:14.22 | maher | Nafed: did you replace the xx's with the number of the running kerel |
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| 05:14.26 | Nafed | yep |
| 05:14.37 | Nafed | #desire:/boot# grep -i quota /boot/config-2.2.20-idepci |
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| 05:15.27 | F-Lelo | Does anyone likes to play with best-solution analizing topologies to develop a security scheme to it? |
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| 05:16.25 | TraceGreen | Hello, i know some linux liveCD such as knoppix, Does anybody know any Windows liveCD? |
| 05:16.40 | bob2 | haha |
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| 05:16.50 | bob2 | Nafed: that kernel has...a dozen local root exploits |
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| 05:17.06 | bob2 | Nafed: even if you did enable quotas, people could just root the machine and make their quota 5 billion terabytes |
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| 05:17.18 | caphuso | TraceGreen: windows pe, and you're seriously off topic |
| 05:17.28 | Nafed | bob2, is that easy to fix or should i just smile and nod? |
| 05:17.42 | bob2 | Nafed: it's running woody? |
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| 05:18.03 | maher | Nafed: smile and nod - never does any harm |
| 05:18.03 | TraceGreen | caphuso, sorry. |
| 05:18.15 | Nafed | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 05:18.27 | bob2 | haha |
| 05:18.33 | bob2 | I'm surprised that even runs |
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| 05:18.41 | bob2 | things randmoly crash with 2.4.18 in sid |
| 05:18.44 | bob2 | much less 2.2 |
| 05:18.51 | Pfated | 2.2? :o |
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| 05:18.58 | maher | Nafed: what does uname -a say? 2.2.20? |
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| 05:19.12 | Pfated | uname -r would be more accurate. :) |
| 05:19.15 | Nafed | Linux holika2 2.6.12.3 #1 SMP Fri Aug 5 13:57:19 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:19.27 | liable | well.. |
| 05:19.39 | Pfated | That's not 2.2! :) |
| 05:19.48 | bob2 | oh |
| 05:19.50 | maher | http://bash.org/?3936 |
| 05:19.55 | bob2 | your grep was crap then |
| 05:19.57 | nvz | bob2: re: hp85 "Because of the increased capabilities of future-generation microprocessors, coding efficiency won't really matter. ... perhaps by the year 1999 all the software ever written will run in less than a minute. But you don't have to wait until then." you can thank me later for switching out that obsolete pc of yours |
| 05:20.07 | Pfated | maher: Heh. |
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| 05:20.17 | bob2 | Nafed: if it's a custom kernel, you need to recompile it with quota support, sadly |
| 05:20.25 | bob2 | nvz: haha |
| 05:20.40 | Nafed | i dont think my brother is smart enough to make a custom kernel heh |
| 05:20.47 | joeljkp | i'm new to email systems, and i'm trying to set one up on a server of mine |
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| 05:20.55 | joeljkp | i have a domain name and all |
| 05:21.00 | joeljkp | and i have exim running |
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| 05:21.23 | joeljkp | what else do i need? |
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| 05:21.57 | din | gn |
| 05:21.59 | maher | joeljkp: does your domain name point to the ip of your box? |
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| 05:22.17 | joeljkp | maher: yep, and i can see my apache from elsewhere |
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| 05:22.22 | Nafed | bob2, how do i know whether or not its a custom kernel? |
| 05:22.32 | Lilldude_ | liable |
| 05:22.36 | Pfated | ... Shouldn't you, like... know? |
| 05:22.39 | bob2 | Nafed: dmesg | head |
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| 05:23.03 | maher | joeljkp: did you configure exim in some way? |
| 05:23.09 | Nafed | i got all these UDP packet thingys now |
| 05:23.19 | joeljkp | maher: yeah, as an internet site, i went through eximconfig |
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| 05:23.25 | Nafed | Pfated its not my server.. how would i know? |
| 05:23.31 | maher | Nafed: try dpkg -l | grep 2.6 |
| 05:23.39 | Pfated | It's something I'd ask the previous admin. |
| 05:23.52 | maher | joeljkp: try sending an email to the domain and see if it shows up |
| 05:23.54 | Lilldude_ | does any one no were i can get floppy net instal for dam small linux |
| 05:24.06 | Pfated | #damnsmalllinux, probably. |
| 05:24.10 | joeljkp | maher: yeah, i tried, and nothing, which is why i asked |
| 05:24.15 | joeljkp | maher: let me look at the error... |
| 05:24.26 | Nafed | maher, whats that supposed to show me? |
| 05:24.40 | d0uglas | Say I got this k-rad pron mpeg that i want to put on my site.. can I put it up in such a way that search engines and URL hotlinking fuckers will never know from which host it came? Don't want requests for it showing up on the web logs when it's taken down |
| 05:24.51 | joeljkp | maher: " Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address" |
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| 05:24.55 | Pfated | Nafed: The version of the kernel you have installed. |
| 05:25.12 | Nafed | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.12 | Nafed | ? |
| 05:25.21 | Pfated | What, that's it? |
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| 05:25.24 | maher | d0uglas: it would be easier for you to take a felt tip pen and write "loser" on your forehead |
| 05:25.45 | Nafed | ii cpio 2.6-5 GNU cpio -- a program to manage archives of |
| 05:25.45 | Nafed | ii libgnutls12 1.2.6-1 the GNU TLS library - runtime library |
| 05:25.45 | Nafed | ii lilo 22.6.1-6.2 LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can loa |
| 05:25.47 | Nafed | that as well |
| 05:25.51 | d0uglas | True but i like to take the hard adventurous ways with linux stuf-- Hey! you insulted me |
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| 05:26.15 | scarynetworkguy | Nafed: Do a uname -a |
| 05:26.24 | Pfated | Nafed: dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 05:26.29 | Nafed | Linux holika2 2.6.12.3 #1 SMP Fri Aug 5 13:57:19 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:26.48 | Nafed | Pfated that didnt show anything |
| 05:26.49 | maher | d0uglas: short answer no - longer answer read about freenet |
| 05:26.57 | d0uglas | ok |
| 05:27.09 | Pfated | ... how can you not have at least... ONE kernel image? Is that even possible, anyone? |
| 05:27.13 | maher | Nafed: grep for quota in the right config |
| 05:27.18 | scarynetworkguy | Nafed: You have a custom image that, for some reason, doesn't seem to have been installed the Debian way. |
| 05:27.29 | maher | Pfated: if you have a manually installed kernel... |
| 05:27.38 | Pfated | Urgh. |
| 05:27.40 | Nafed | so i should cd .. until i can no more and then rm -rf * |
| 05:27.43 | Nafed | ? |
| 05:27.54 | Pfated | It's definitely home-built then, innit? :) |
| 05:28.00 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. For sure. |
| 05:28.07 | Pfated | Nafed: What are you, suicidal? |
| 05:28.29 | Nafed | well the brothers gonna kill me if i dont do this quota thing |
| 05:28.33 | Nafed | so either way im dead |
| 05:28.33 | Nafed | lol |
| 05:28.36 | maher | Nafed: tell you brother you don't know enogh to enable quotas on his box and he'll just have to do it himself |
| 05:28.50 | Pfated | And removing everything from his box would help your case how? |
| 05:29.06 | Nafed | Pfated, amusement before slaughtering |
| 05:29.20 | Nafed | and by the sounds of things everything is wrong on the box anyway |
| 05:29.47 | Pfated | Nothing is wrong on the box. If it's his box, WTF are you the one doing it? You certainly don't sound to be overly adminny. |
| 05:29.49 | liable | Nafed: why not just install a debian kernel? |
| 05:29.50 | d0uglas | got $25 left on my partypoker ... should I play one $20+1 or two $10+1s, the compelling perk to the latter being that it would be nicer to go broke over two games instead of one |
| 05:30.05 | d0uglas | real tough question, thought this'd be the place to ask |
| 05:30.17 | Nafed | liable i have no idea how to |
| 05:30.29 | Nafed | Pfated i was told to come here and learn how to get quotas running |
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| 05:30.33 | Pfated | ... And yet you're doing quotas for someone else. |
| 05:30.42 | scarynetworkguy | The mind boogles. |
| 05:30.47 | Pfated | Nafed: ... And you agreed, why? |
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| 05:31.00 | scarynetworkguy | Nafed: Full stop now. Go read and learn the basics. |
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| 05:31.23 | d0uglas | Red light, Nafed. |
| 05:31.26 | Pfated | Nafed: I'm sorry, but... have you ever actually run a Debian box? Ever? |
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| 05:31.45 | Nafed | Pfated, i had no choice in the matter |
| 05:31.53 | d0uglas | no, he'd have seen the quotas enabled option |
| 05:31.54 | Nafed | i have an understanding of basic commands and such |
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| 05:32.30 | Pfated | Nafed: I see. I give up. Go read a book. And try to enable write on your brain. |
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| 05:32.58 | Nafed | amusing. |
| 05:33.07 | sn00p | lol |
| 05:33.07 | d0uglas | that was deep .. you just blew my fucking mind |
| 05:33.13 | d0uglas | chmodding my brain |
| 05:33.19 | Pfated | Well, you don't know how to install a debian kernel. Maybe start with that. |
| 05:33.29 | d0uglas | were can we work chgrping into the metaphor |
| 05:33.38 | Nafed | how about instead of throwing stupid insults at me |
| 05:33.47 | Nafed | you tell me where i can find info on upgrading it |
| 05:33.48 | sn00p | apt-get install kernel |
| 05:33.50 | Lilldude | liable |
| 05:33.54 | Pfated | Nafed: man apt-get, man apt-cache =, enjoy. |
| 05:33.57 | Pfated | s/=// |
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| 05:34.09 | jm_ | you can read about it in Debian installation manual, FAQ, ... |
| 05:34.12 | liable | Lilldude: |
| 05:34.18 | Nafed | i know apt-get |
| 05:34.18 | d0uglas | Nafed: the best you're probably gonna squeeze out of #debian before a kick ban is a rtfm or google it |
| 05:34.19 | jm_ | !tell Nafed -about lazy |
| 05:34.31 | haz | So uh- my I dont have a MySQL socket anywhere. Any way to get one? |
| 05:34.35 | haz | socket file* |
| 05:34.47 | mwilson | haz: Other than actually having the server running? |
| 05:34.51 | Lilldude | msg me |
| 05:34.56 | haz | mwilson: its created when the server runs? |
| 05:35.01 | Nafed | jm_ im not being lazy you fool, ive already stated that if someone can point me in the right direction then ill read the tutorials |
| 05:35.02 | haz | I cant start the server because it doesnt exist |
| 05:35.11 | mwilson | haz: No. |
| 05:35.13 | Pfated | Nafed: Oh, /msg dpkg quota, too. |
| 05:35.17 | jm_ | Nafed: if you say so |
| 05:35.22 | haz | ?! |
| 05:35.30 | cplx | lol lil nafy |
| 05:35.31 | maher | Nafed: i pointed you to the quota howto, but you should really start reading the debian reference |
| 05:35.51 | Pfated | There's an apt reference, isn't there? That might help too. |
| 05:35.58 | maher | Nafed: read the debian reference and practice on a spare machine till you can enable quotas without hosing the box... |
| 05:36.00 | Nafed | but then everyone started talking about needing to update kernel and such.. nothing in quota about kernel |
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| 05:36.06 | cplx | Nafed: *waves* |
| 05:36.21 | haz | mwilson: how is it created? |
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| 05:36.27 | jm_ | maybe they know more about the problem than you do - wait, it can't be "maybe" |
| 05:36.31 | mwilson | haz: Read the log. The init script starts the server, then it communicates with it. The server isn't starting (for whatever reason), thus the next step of the init script fails with the error you see. |
| 05:37.14 | scarynetworkguy | Nafed: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual Done. Now go read. |
| 05:37.44 | Nafed | excellent thanks scarynetworkguy |
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| 05:38.15 | scarynetworkguy | Nafed: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html And there. Now go away. |
| 05:38.35 | d0uglas | i'd like to be able to get a desktop/window manager to get more involved with the swap managing on an HD .. for example, if there's a firefox open on the forth desktop with fifty tabs of high res ass, but the dude is doing a bunch of other shit on other virtual desktops... well basically to get more tips from user activity from the window manager's perspective, specifically the multiple desktops function |
| 05:38.36 | haz | mwilson: ah. |
| 05:38.44 | d0uglas | .. while we're on the subject |
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| 05:38.57 | d0uglas | or maybe it already does that |
| 05:39.17 | simonrvn | d0uglas: um, the kernel can manage fine without userspace... |
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| 05:39.31 | maher | d0uglas: use color forth instead |
| 05:39.51 | d0uglas | color forth? |
| 05:40.06 | maher | d0uglas: stupid joke - ignore |
| 05:40.21 | d0uglas | Almost got it in time :) |
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| 05:40.27 | d0uglas | you're all right, maher |
| 05:40.37 | kevix | maher, postscript is based on fouth and it can do color! |
| 05:41.22 | simonrvn | um, 'fourth' as in "the 4th one", 'forth' the language, the word in the phrase "going forth to do battle" |
| 05:41.49 | d0uglas | so much difference from the presence of the letter u |
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| 05:41.59 | simonrvn | </bitchiness> |
| 05:42.05 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 05:42.10 | d0uglas | forty .. no u in 40's spelling. |
| 05:42.17 | d0uglas | that'll throw you off |
| 05:42.17 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 05:43.15 | Entranced_ZzZ | Could anyone tell me why is udev so difficult ?! |
| 05:43.25 | mwilson | Entranced_ZzZ: Because it's not? |
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| 05:43.39 | mwilson | Entranced_ZzZ: It's more or less useless, but it's not difficult. |
| 05:43.48 | kevix | Entranced_ZzZ, like how? installingg it? |
| 05:43.49 | Entranced_ZzZ | It brakes shit |
| 05:44.03 | caphuso | the u in fo(u)rth is missing because the system it was originally written on supported only 5 letter file names |
| 05:44.04 | simonrvn | because it's a fucking PITA |
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| 05:44.24 | d0uglas | i'm finding wmv supporting programs but are there any wmv->-any other format converters on the free sources lists? |
| 05:44.27 | maher | caphuso: no the o is in a different colour meaning ou |
| 05:44.42 | Entranced_ZzZ | I've been messing with udev for past week and all the kernel upgrades seem to go to shit because of udev |
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| 05:45.10 | caphuso | maher: huh? |
| 05:45.24 | liable | Entranced_ZzZ: downgrade it and put it on hold.. |
| 05:45.24 | maher | caphuso: another stupid joke - ignore |
| 05:45.30 | kevix | will coldplug help fix any of the udev situation? |
| 05:45.49 | Entranced_ZzZ | liable, I will try that |
| 05:45.55 | mwilson | kevix: What is it that you think needs fixing? |
| 05:46.07 | Entranced_ZzZ | I just need to find one vers. that will work |
| 05:46.16 | simonrvn | forgetaboutit |
| 05:46.27 | mwilson | Entranced_ZzZ: They all work. |
| 05:46.49 | Entranced_ZzZ | I get a nice ncurses screen saying that my X is Fux0red |
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| 05:46.58 | kevix | mwilson, predictability. |
| 05:47.01 | simonrvn | m/w waits for the ".... $mwilson remark" |
| 05:47.07 | simonrvn | eh |
| 05:47.10 | Entranced_ZzZ | none of my /dev/input devices are being created |
| 05:47.14 | d0uglas | Entranced_ZzZ: it's not fux0red, ... it's just, ... different |
| 05:47.16 | d0uglas | special |
| 05:47.28 | Entranced_ZzZ | like "short bus" special ? |
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| 05:47.44 | simonrvn | like short plank special |
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| 05:47.54 | d0uglas | bingo |
| 05:47.57 | dondelelcaro | TLAPD has passed already, thank $DEITY |
| 05:48.03 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 05:48.12 | Entranced_ZzZ | titiit |
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| 05:50.16 | mjk64 | Morning. |
| 05:50.45 | kevix | mjk64, it is in your timezone! |
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| 05:50.58 | mjk64 | kevix: No, it's just a matter of attitude. :-) |
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| 05:51.44 | kevix | mjk64, being groggy with slime in your mouth and having wacked hair! |
| 05:51.55 | mjk64 | kevix: 8-) |
| 05:53.25 | mjk64 | How can I distinguish stable/testing/unstable when using "aptitude (visual)" or "aptitude search <package>"? |
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| 05:54.09 | kevix | one of these days I'm going to see '--- black is now know as white'. and '--- night is now know as day'. What will happen then? |
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| 05:54.27 | mjk64 | kevix: hehe |
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| 05:54.44 | kevix | mjk64, you can use 'apt-cache policy'. |
| 05:55.55 | d0uglas | total ballpark .. About how long on your typical 2ghz machine might it take to crank an existing 500KB image and recode it back to a jpg with a different compression rate? a 500KB jpg to give it a different comperssion rate? |
| 05:56.43 | mjk64 | kevix: thx ... testing that now |
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| 05:56.58 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: should be a matter of a few seconds |
| 05:57.06 | d0uglas | What i'm asking is can a pron site of images budget its bandwidth by |
| 05:57.07 | power | anyone know the irc command to hide host name ???? |
| 05:57.08 | d0uglas | seconds?? |
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| 05:57.20 | d0uglas | not like 200ms? |
| 05:57.41 | power | anyone know the irc command to hide host name ???? |
| 05:57.59 | dondelelcaro | power: stop using excess punctuation and repeating; there isn't one unless you've got a cloak. |
| 05:58.10 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: depends on the image; a few seconds is a conservative estimate. If you actually care how long it takes, you should be caching anyway |
| 05:58.16 | d0uglas | ok while that conversion is taking place, could apache continue to finish delivering data to whoever's left on the keepalives? |
| 05:58.16 | power | i know there is one |
| 05:58.34 | power | /ignore |
| 05:58.34 | power | yes.. |
| 05:58.36 | power | good |
| 05:58.58 | dondelelcaro | power: not on this network there isn't; other networks may implement that. |
| 05:59.14 | power | ty |
| 05:59.32 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: there's no reason why not |
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| 05:59.54 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: you just fork to do the conversion and finish doing whatever you were doing |
| 06:00.46 | vineet | but disk is so cheap you're probably better off just storing them at different quality levels and serving the appropriate one, rather than recoding on the fly |
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| 06:01.35 | dondelelcaro | vineet: right; what's usually best is a combination of the two... |
| 06:01.49 | sbk | d0uglas: you can easily check it, but basically ijg will do a decode/encode of the average 0.5m jpeg file in some small number of 100s of ms. |
| 06:01.52 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: libapache-gallery-perl has a good example of an implementation of this |
| 06:01.59 | kevix | vineet, like small.image.x.com/x.jpg medium.image.x.com/x.jpg ? |
| 06:02.02 | d0uglas | what i'm picturing is a image gallery manager working with apache to start recompressing images at higher rates (eg, 65% instead of 95%) before it sends the image based on how much bandwidth is being chewed up .. another step to run a pron site on a cheap slow dsl line.. |
| 06:02.26 | sbk | d0uglas: if you want to downsample by a factor of 2, it has some clever tricks which will avoid decompress/downscale/recompress and make it even faster |
| 06:02.27 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: is that the braindamaged thing that serves HTML text when you point your browser too example.com/gallery/foo.jpg? |
| 06:02.28 | d0uglas | sbk: now that's workable |
| 06:02.59 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: sure; extensions don't mean anything... |
| 06:03.00 | d0uglas | sbk: what, like caching? |
| 06:03.10 | mjk64 | Argh! "apt-cdrom add" detects my "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1" as *unstable*! Why is that? 'kay, there are stable, unstable, testing, and frozen symlinks on /cdrom/dists, but why? |
| 06:03.53 | sbk | d0uglas: you mean the factor of 2 thing? No -- it's intrinsic to the way jpeg works. It turns out that jpeg basically compresses in blocks of 8x8 pixels. If you want to (say) downscale by 8, there's a clever trick to do it very fast. |
| 06:04.04 | kevix | mjk64, this is a 'feature'. s/t/u have no meaning for cdrom IIRC. |
| 06:04.05 | simonrvn | FINALLY i can get my mail again :) |
| 06:04.25 | mjk64 | kevix: okay, I'll try to accept that :-} |
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| 06:04.31 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: sure, but they matter if i need to decide if starting a browser or simply firing up 'feh http://...*' is the right thing to do |
| 06:04.54 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: right, but that's why I hand out the actual image urls if it's important... |
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| 06:06.39 | sbk | d0uglas: oh, I should qualify all this and say that (as far as the "optimized rescale" algorithm goes) it works by reducing the size of the image -- as opposed to re-encoding with larger loss factors. |
| 06:06.43 | d0uglas | sbk: i mean upon apache receiving an image request, for the combination of programs to take an existing impressively high res/high compression rate image and producing an image with the same dimensions but with a lot more lossy compression, sending the dude that data (compression factor decided on bandwidth measurements) instead of the original image without any caching |
| 06:06.51 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: and in its case, you can always just go feh http://foo.bar.baz/bleh.jpg?orig; |
| 06:06.54 | d0uglas | would png be better? |
| 06:07.03 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: not for pr0n, no. |
| 06:07.04 | d0uglas | too high to begin with .. |
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| 06:07.28 | sbk | d0uglas: ah, gotcha. well -- you're looking (with the naiive mechanism) something like about 200-400ms for the conversion, is my guess. |
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| 06:08.08 | sbk | d0uglas: this is not counting your file io time. If you need a cluster of machines to serve data off (say) an nfs server, it can get a bit tricky depending on how the network and nfs interact with everything |
| 06:08.21 | gin | somebody can recommended me, good firewalls ? |
| 06:08.32 | Eclipser | iptables |
| 06:08.36 | Edward-tls | any mac osx admins in da house... |
| 06:08.40 | simonrvn | iptables |
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| 06:08.47 | simonrvn | Edward-tls: #osx |
| 06:08.49 | gin | another one ? |
| 06:08.50 | Edward-tls | I am trying to create accounts on a xserver |
| 06:08.53 | Eclipser | is there any other?-p |
| 06:09.00 | Eclipser | the rest are frontends for iptables |
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| 06:09.20 | simonrvn | shitload of those... |
| 06:09.24 | Eclipser | yeah |
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| 06:09.30 | Eclipser | and all of them suck |
| 06:09.36 | gin | what apine about guarddog |
| 06:09.46 | d0uglas | all right so let's say that 2ghz machine's pumping out 10 requests a second, one out of 30 being one of these large images, on a 100KB/s outgoing line .. do you think the converting/compressing i'm talking about would be too cpu intensive that it would slow down apache to the point that we're not taking full advantage of available bandwidth? know what i'm saying? |
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| 06:10.29 | d0uglas | I'm essentially asking is this doable and worth programming and of benefit to a chunk of people out there, or is it a good idea in theory but not worth it, or just lame |
| 06:10.45 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: it's probably not worth the time; you're better off just getting a real connection. |
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| 06:11.03 | dondelelcaro | (and of course, with the caveat that lots of pr0n sites lose money) |
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| 06:11.38 | d0uglas | yeah i noticed that |
| 06:11.51 | sbk | d0uglas: I have a feeling that you can max out the bandwidth without too much trouble. Once you shove the bytes out through write() or whatever, there's only a small amount of cpu needed to service the outbound buffers on the nic |
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| 06:11.59 | d0uglas | .. because they're not using this scheme we're coming up with |
| 06:12.30 | dondelelcaro | no, it's generally because real content is expensive and no one actually bothers to pay for the stuff |
| 06:12.37 | d0uglas | sbk: ok well that's the top priority thing, never to let a drop of "dead air" bandwidth time go to waste |
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| 06:13.11 | Draal | Have no GUI installed, logging in at command line.. I need to edit some config files and was curious how I access my root account to do this? |
| 06:13.27 | d0uglas | dondelelcaro: hey in nyc you'd be surprised how many young girls would be willing to pose gratis for an operation that in their estimation might advance their career |
| 06:13.31 | simonrvn | sudo, su, are most common |
| 06:13.38 | jm_ | Draal: did you read any docs on the Debian web page? you're strongly advised to do so |
| 06:14.23 | dondelelcaro | Draal: log in as a normal user; su to root; run an editor to edit your config files. |
| 06:14.24 | d0uglas | my operation exudes such prestige |
| 06:14.24 | Draal | dondelelcaro: Thank you |
| 06:14.24 | sbk | d0uglas: as someone suggested earlier, the other thing (should it becomen an issue) is simply to separate out the machine doing the cpu work and the one servicing requests. |
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| 06:14.38 | Furio_G | I'm trying to get the 1.0.6 version of firefox from the testing archives but it says i have the latest already(I have 1.0.4). I've updated my sources and put "testing" instead of "stable" |
| 06:14.48 | d0uglas | sbk: well, .. what better an os to use than linux.. Debian linux that is |
| 06:15.01 | jm_ | Furio_G: do not do that stupidty ever again |
| 06:15.02 | sanxiyn | Furio_G: Have you run "apt-get update" before trying install? |
| 06:15.09 | jm_ | Firefox 1.0.4 in Sarge is basically 1.0.6 |
| 06:15.18 | Eclipser | Furio_G, sarge firefox is 1.0.6 in disguise |
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| 06:15.21 | d0uglas | for a not so bright guy was that an all right idea to think about .. totally in theory... ? am I not completely worthless? |
| 06:15.22 | kevix | Furio_G, did you 'apt-get -t testing install ...' |
| 06:15.42 | mjk64 | jm_: how come that 1.0.4 ~= 1.0.6 in stable? |
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| 06:15.47 | Furio_G | sandman: Yep i ran apt-get update. |
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| 06:16.02 | Furio_G | kevix, : I'll try that i na sec :) |
| 06:16.05 | chello | can anyone give me an tut for squid? |
| 06:16.11 | chello | can anyone give me a tut for squid? |
| 06:16.15 | Furio_G | But first, why is 1.4 and 1.6 the same? |
| 06:16.21 | sanxiyn | Furio_G: Are you willing to switch to testing? |
| 06:16.27 | Furio_G | jm_, hehe what stupidty? |
| 06:16.29 | sbk | d0uglas: *shrug* linux (most "production" variants like debian/stable and some redhat versions) are ok. some people swear by *bsd |
| 06:16.30 | sanxiyn | Furio_G: Because it just is. |
| 06:16.33 | jm_ | mjk64: troubles with security updates, so they gave up and just used 1.0.6 in disguise (stable normally only gets security updates, ported to the version of the program that was there in first place, but it prooved too problematic in this case) |
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| 06:16.41 | jm_ | Furio_G: running stable and putting testing in sources.list |
| 06:16.44 | Furio_G | sanxiyn, Yep I've already upgarded to testing |
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| 06:16.50 | sanxiyn | Furio_G: Ah, fine. |
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| 06:17.13 | mjk64 | jm_: Oh! Thanks for the information! |
| 06:17.18 | sbk | d0uglas: you'll end up finding problems that happen only in production situations, and typically tweak/patch/change drivers/hardware |
| 06:17.25 | Furio_G | jm_, I installed stable(absolute bare minimum) then i upgraded to testing |
| 06:17.27 | jm_ | mjk64: there were a few exceptions, like introducing new version of mozilla in Woody |
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| 06:17.46 | Draal | Sorry.. Whats the command to start XFCE? |
| 06:17.47 | jm_ | Furio_G: ok, then you're OK, you should include such important details when describing your problems |
| 06:17.50 | Furio_G | sanxiyn, so debian modifed 1.0.4 and repackaged it? |
| 06:17.51 | Draal | <--- Obvious Windows user |
| 06:17.53 | mjk64 | jm_: Can you give me a hint where this 1.0.4=1.0.6 is publicly documented? The Debian security mailing list? |
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| 06:17.55 | sanxiyn | Furio_G: No. |
| 06:18.08 | nkuttler | Draal: it depends, how do you log into x? |
| 06:18.11 | sanxiyn | Furio_G: That's the usual process, but Debian security team gave up, got 1.0.6, and just named it 1.0.4. |
| 06:18.18 | Draal | nkuttler: From the CLI |
| 06:18.21 | Furio_G | jm_, ok sorry mate, didn't know :) |
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| 06:18.30 | Furio_G | sanxiyn, cool, i wont worry about it then hehe |
| 06:18.35 | d0uglas | sbk: i posed the question about my little invention being of real world use in the forum of one these gallery managing ware developers |
| 06:18.40 | Draal | nkuttler: At the prompt now |
| 06:18.48 | jm_ | mjk64: in its DSA |
| 06:18.49 | d0uglas | they said it's bullshit and fuck you for asking |
| 06:18.49 | sanxiyn | Mozilla foundation doesn't care a bit about supporing older versions. |
| 06:18.55 | mjk64 | jm_: thx! |
| 06:18.59 | d0uglas | in different words |
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| 06:19.04 | compguymac | i have a deskjet 940c, i installed the cups daemon and got the computer to reconize the printer automatically, but cant print...? |
| 06:19.07 | nkuttler | Draal: i'm not sure about xfce, read /usr/share/doc/xfce, and put "exec executable" in ~/.xsession |
| 06:19.07 | simonrvn | sandman: even older versions of OSes |
| 06:19.11 | compguymac | anything im missing? |
| 06:19.11 | Nurbs | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318229 X) |
| 06:19.12 | Draal | Sanxiyn: last I heard, they were short developers |
| 06:19.13 | simonrvn | sandman: woops |
| 06:19.20 | sanxiyn | Indeed... |
| 06:19.22 | nkuttler | Draal: try exec xfce |
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| 06:19.24 | Furio_G | sanxiyn, so even if my sources.list says "testing", it still wotn get updates from testing unless i specify it in the apt-get command? |
| 06:19.25 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: even older versions of OSes |
| 06:19.27 | Draal | Okay |
| 06:19.36 | nkuttler | Draal: then use startx to start x |
| 06:19.45 | sanxiyn | Furio_G: Eh, it should...? |
| 06:20.10 | simonrvn | startxfce - like startkde |
| 06:20.14 | nkuttler | ah |
| 06:20.17 | bucky | compguymac, did you apt-get hpoj - HP OfficeJet Linux driver |
| 06:20.18 | sbk | d0uglas: oh well. :) i've not much opinion on the actual use of it... seems to me most people just pony up the bucks for bandwidth, if they expect to make money off their customers |
| 06:20.24 | nkuttler | Draal: exec startxfce |
| 06:20.27 | kevix | Draal, IIRC is there a startxfce command? |
| 06:20.30 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Actually, it's "startxfce4" in Debian. |
| 06:20.31 | compguymac | no, apt get install um... |
| 06:20.31 | simonrvn | er, not quite, but yeh. xfce4-session is what you'd have in ~/.xsession |
| 06:20.35 | compguymac | let me see |
| 06:20.36 | simonrvn | yeh, me bad |
| 06:20.38 | Furio_G | sanxiyn, ye i thought it would to but apparently not. unless it's on here somewhere and it using a different command to launch. cureently "firefox" launches 1.0.4 |
| 06:20.43 | d0uglas | i am this close to breaking even on the pron site paying for itself and if i could just get that one in one thousand person who actually clicks on an ad out of sympathy to cost me fewer bytes so i dont have to pay more for bandwidth |
| 06:20.52 | nkuttler | Draal: alternatively you may want to install some display manager |
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| 06:21.00 | sbk | d0uglas: maybe you could have a trick to use a group of "virtual" DSL machines, so that their combined bandwidth is usable |
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| 06:21.13 | sanxiyn | What's the diff of startxfce4 and xfce4-session? |
| 06:21.15 | jm_ | testing has firefox 1.0.6 |
| 06:21.24 | d0uglas | you mean colo, or get both of my phone lines dsl'ed and bridge that? |
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| 06:22.05 | Edward_TLS | only one user in #osx |
| 06:22.15 | sbk | d0uglas: no.. just a lame idea late at night. maybe there's a way to get a bunch of dsl accounts, and somehow create web pages that get data from all of them transparently |
| 06:22.17 | sanxiyn | Hm, apparently, startxfce4 does various configurations and then launch xfce4-session. |
| 06:22.44 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: not much, except for extra work done in startxcfe4 |
| 06:22.44 | sbk | d0uglas: too late in the night... should just go to bed now. :) 'luck with it. |
| 06:22.49 | simonrvn | xfce* |
| 06:22.58 | d0uglas | sbk: oh i see what you're getting at .. yeah with gallery there are ways to get it to load the images mirrored off another host |
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| 06:23.09 | d0uglas | i got a couple shells good for that purpose |
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| 06:23.44 | d0uglas | but it was more of the idea of it all that mattered to me |
| 06:24.00 | d0uglas | 'cause it's not that ludicrous an idea, damnit |
| 06:24.03 | d0uglas | so F them. |
| 06:24.17 | bedouin | I have an iMac DV running Debian Sarge and sometimes connect my iPod Mini to it just for charging (I sync it with a Mac). I have no fstab setup for the iPod, and never mount it. However, the iPod will always stay stuck on "Do Not Disconnect" when it is connected to the Debian box. Anyone know why this happens and how to stop it? |
| 06:24.21 | compguymac | still wont print |
| 06:24.39 | bedouin | I meant, I sync it with OS X.. |
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| 06:25.03 | bucky | compguymac, you might have to restart cupsd to get it to recognise hpoj |
| 06:25.12 | compguymac | command? |
| 06:25.30 | bucky | /etc/init.d/cupsd restart |
| 06:25.37 | compguymac | thankyou |
| 06:26.20 | Draal | From the CLI, how do I reconfigure screen resolution/refresh rate in X? |
| 06:26.22 | compguymac | bash: /etc/init.d/cupsd: No such file or directory |
| 06:26.32 | nkuttler | !drxx Draal |
| 06:26.34 | dpkg | Draal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 06:26.53 | jmd | Are there any m4 experts here? |
| 06:27.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell jmd -about ask |
| 06:27.02 | Draal | Thank you once again nkuttler |
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| 06:27.18 | compguymac | bucky, did u see the error? |
| 06:27.18 | bucky | compguymac, look in /etc/init.d it might be called cups |
| 06:27.20 | compguymac | o |
| 06:27.23 | Draal | m four m four m four m four |
| 06:27.35 | compguymac | init.d isnt a dir |
| 06:28.01 | compguymac | sorry |
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| 06:28.08 | compguymac | is has cupsys |
| 06:28.10 | bucky | compguymac, which version of debian are you using? |
| 06:28.15 | compguymac | thats what i apt-get a min ago |
| 06:28.16 | compguymac | sarge |
| 06:28.44 | compguymac | should i get rid of the cupsys and get cupsd |
| 06:28.48 | bucky | no |
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| 06:28.53 | compguymac | k |
| 06:28.55 | bucky | restart that |
| 06:28.58 | compguymac | k |
| 06:29.14 | compguymac | k, restarted |
| 06:29.21 | compguymac | not try again? |
| 06:29.24 | compguymac | now* |
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| 06:30.28 | compguymac | still no print, i have 2 of the same printers in the printer file, but cant get rid of one |
| 06:30.32 | bucky | compguymac, configure your printer in your browser with http://localhost:631 |
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| 06:32.32 | compguymac | Device URI: usb://HP/DeskJet%20940C?serial=MX1BJ6D15TBH |
| 06:33.50 | compguymac | still no print, lol |
| 06:33.59 | bucky | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing/getting_started.html#basicprconfig |
| 06:34.10 | mjk64 | !tell compguymac -about lol |
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| 06:34.22 | jmd | !vi |
| 06:34.22 | dpkg | from memory, vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
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| 06:35.24 | sanxiyn | Oh, that factoid is very confusing. |
| 06:36.24 | chello | whats the difference between sarge and woody? |
| 06:36.33 | sanxiyn | chello: Large. |
| 06:36.40 | simonrvn | sarge == stable, woody == oldstable |
| 06:36.59 | chello | what are the versions of woody and sarge? |
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| 06:37.07 | chello | is 3.1 sarge? |
| 06:37.07 | sanxiyn | Woody, and Sarge. |
| 06:37.12 | sanxiyn | Yes. |
| 06:37.26 | sanxiyn | Well, whole point of using codename is not to use version nubmer. |
| 06:37.39 | simonrvn | @bo |
| 06:37.58 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test2 |
| 06:37.59 | chello | so what is sarge? |
| 06:37.59 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 06:38.05 | simonrvn | weird |
| 06:38.16 | sameer | hi people is anyone using the via8235 alsa drivers and getting 5.1 out |
| 06:39.04 | simonrvn | !sarge |
| 06:39.04 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 06:39.13 | jm_ | I have 5.1 working but with SB Live ;) |
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| 06:39.42 | sanxiyn | !sing sarge |
| 06:39.42 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 06:39.45 | simonrvn | hello Snow-Man |
| 06:40.09 | simonrvn | um, that factoid is a wee bit old... |
| 06:40.27 | jm_ | !factinfo sarge |
| 06:40.27 | dpkg | sarge -- last modified at Tue Jun 7 11:36:06 2005 by directhex|work!~jms@dhcpa10.comlab.ox.ac.uk; it has been requested 188 times, last by simonrvn, 1m 23s ago. |
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| 06:40.39 | simonrvn | no, the sing sarge one |
| 06:40.46 | coywolf | any1 knows device-mapper? |
| 06:40.55 | simonrvn | never met the person |
| 06:40.56 | jm_ | almost one year old |
| 06:41.11 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:43.38 | kevix | @sarge |
| 06:43.38 | ravenbird | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about install debian |
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| 06:44.11 | grigora | hey folks, does anyone know how to log into a Novell network and gain access to network printers from a Linux workstation? I would really appreciate any advice as I don't feel at all inclined to use Windoze XP. Thanks |
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| 06:46.04 | ozzloy | what's a good linux CAD? |
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| 06:46.20 | caphuso | firefox 1.almost5 from experimental, download actions: "WAV wave file Open with Windows Media Player Plugin" |
| 06:46.22 | sdogi | lets say i want audaciti'ies .deb and all it's deps |
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| 06:46.36 | sdogi | whats the quickest way to get them |
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| 06:46.44 | sdogi | no way i'm going to do this manually |
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| 06:46.54 | seeeS | ozzloy: how advanced does it need to be |
| 06:46.55 | sdogi | apt-get -d install audacity doesn't help me |
| 06:47.10 | fireba11 | grigora: using a windows-shared-printer should work via SMB i think |
| 06:47.17 | kevix | chello, Debian every so often releases stable distributions, these contain software packages that do not change, unlike testing and unstable. the last released version is sarge and the one before that (called oldstable) is woody. |
| 06:47.21 | ozzloy | seeeS, i'm building actual physical robots with a robotics team |
| 06:47.28 | sdogi | problem is that i need to write an cd to get those .deb's to a pc that doesn't have NIC, so no network access |
| 06:47.35 | grigora | fireba11: I am not sure Netware works the same way, does it? |
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| 06:48.06 | fireba11 | grigora: not sure either .. and since i eliminate netware where i encounter it i never tried :-) |
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| 06:48.21 | kevix | chello, stable distributions usually differ in major ways like version of gcc,libc,kde,gnome, etc. |
| 06:48.23 | seeeS | ozzloy: oh a real one like autocad, not sure |
| 06:48.33 | grigora | fireba11: lucky, I have to deal with it at school :( |
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| 06:49.18 | grigora | fireba11: and since it's a business school all bets are off when it comes to changing anything if you are not waring a suit :) |
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| 06:49.30 | fireba11 | grigora: *g* |
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| 06:49.42 | kevix | chello, also the debian-installer was developed after woody and is now a new way to install Debian. woody had (the now obselete) boot-floppies. |
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| 06:50.07 | grigora | fireba11: what's *g*? |
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| 06:51.13 | simonrvn | caphuso: still stuck with 1.0.99 deekpark in ppc experimental |
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| 06:51.24 | simonrvn | er, deerpark even |
| 06:51.25 | kevix | grigora, have you heard of emoticons or smilies? |
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| 06:51.46 | caphuso | simonrvn: doesn't look like you're missing out a lot... it uses those stupid gtk/gnome like dialogs all over the place now |
| 06:51.53 | seeeS | bob2: what does "invoke dpkgops" mean? |
| 06:51.54 | simonrvn | eh |
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| 06:52.00 | fireba11 | grigora: a grin |
| 06:52.14 | sanxiyn | ozzloy: There's OpenCASCADE, a real CAD engine open-sourced, but I haven't used it. |
| 06:52.34 | bob2 | seeeS: it means type something like "!ops spambots from 85.204" in the channel, to get our attention |
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| 06:52.46 | kevix | !emoticons |
| 06:52.46 | dpkg | emoticons are a new trend spawned by internet chat rooms and are used to represent how one feels |
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| 06:53.54 | seeeS | bob2: then why not make dpkg says that |
| 06:54.11 | sanxiyn | ozzloy: QCad is for simple 2D CAD. Apparently, can read Autocad format. |
| 06:54.20 | bob2 | seeeS: which factoid is incorrect? |
| 06:54.35 | seeeS | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.47 | seeeS | <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkgops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 06:55.00 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: interesting. i know someone who's been looking for some CAD s/w, now i can tell him there's some open source choices |
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| 06:55.18 | seeeS | i use dia,. not really cad but good for drawings |
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| 06:55.36 | sanxiyn | A bit short compared to Visio, but who am I to complain... |
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| 06:56.00 | simonrvn | dia is for basic stuff. he's looking into designing real-world hardware, for bicycles, and stuff like that |
| 06:56.35 | ozzloy | thanx sanxiyn seeeS |
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| 06:56.56 | sanxiyn | QCad: http://qcad.org/ |
| 06:57.18 | ozzloy | i need 3d unfortunately |
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| 06:57.23 | sanxiyn | Indeed. |
| 06:57.28 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ops |
| 06:57.28 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 06:57.34 | dondelelcaro | ... |
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| 06:58.40 | dondelelcaro | gah, someone was stupid. |
| 06:58.50 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ops =~ s/dpkg/dpkg: / |
| 06:58.51 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 06:59.16 | dondelelcaro | !ops |
| 06:59.16 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 06:59.26 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 06:59.54 | sanxiyn | OpenCASCADE license: http://www.opencascade.org/occ/license/ |
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| 07:00.09 | simonrvn | talk about DNS pollution... fuck... |
| 07:00.18 | sanxiyn | It seems to me that it failed to form community. |
| 07:00.38 | sanxiyn | (Too few programmers do CAD? Perhaps that.) |
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| 07:02.23 | simonrvn | probably. it's rather specialised |
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| 07:02.42 | sanxiyn | And the size of codebase is as large as Moz or OOo... |
| 07:02.54 | sanxiyn | No wonder... |
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| 07:04.04 | simonrvn | eh. FAT... |
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| 07:04.38 | ozzloy | well damn |
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| 07:04.53 | simonrvn | nice. did you do that dondelelcaro? |
| 07:04.55 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah |
| 07:05.00 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:05.44 | Coke | I'm trying to run python2.3-mysqldb against MySQL 4.1 and it complains about the new auth protocol. There are libmysqlcilent14 which do have the 4.1 support, but python2.3-mysqldb is compiled against libmysqlclient12. According to python2.3-mysqldb docs it should support 4.1, but that requires it to be linked against libmysqlclient14, which there is no package for. Is this a Debian-dead-end if I want to use 4.1 auth? |
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| 07:06.12 | simonrvn | probably just needs updating |
| 07:06.14 | sanxiyn | What is Flying Spaghetti Monster? |
| 07:06.18 | bob2 | mmm |
| 07:06.25 | jm_ | Coke: you can simply convert the passwords to old format, it's in MySQL docs |
| 07:06.28 | bob2 | sanxiyn: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly... |
| 07:06.33 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: wikipedia ;) |
| 07:06.50 | bob2 | it's more complicated because mysql 4.1 has a different license, iirc |
| 07:07.12 | Coke | jm_: is that what they call "compability mode" ? |
| 07:07.15 | seeeS | how did fsmism apare here |
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| 07:07.28 | sanxiyn | IIRC, you put "old_passwords = 1" to my.cnf, and that's it. |
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| 07:07.44 | sanxiyn | (Isn't that the default?) |
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| 07:07.55 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: it was started as a satire on the "evolution vs. 'intelligent design' (aka creationism) debate", but has evolved into a rather fun thing a bit like church of the sub-genius or similar |
| 07:08.15 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Slackware? |
| 07:08.29 | simonrvn | not linux related |
| 07:08.35 | seeeS | true, but i dont see the FSM in a screen save.. yet |
| 07:08.38 | Coke | jm_: by the way, do you think I should file some sort of feature request bug so that MySQLdb has packages for mysql versions > 4.0 ? |
| 07:08.49 | simonrvn | seeeS: yet ;) |
| 07:08.53 | kevix | saxiyn, slackware has a logo the uses 'bob'. that is where the similarity ends. |
| 07:09.05 | seeeS | ah flying FSMs across the screen |
| 07:09.06 | sanxiyn | kevix: It has "slack" in its name. |
| 07:09.09 | ozzloy | slackware is somehow related to church of sub-genius, i was never clear on that |
| 07:09.40 | sanxiyn | I like IPU better as a religion though. |
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| 07:10.05 | kevix | sanxiyn, I guess you could ask patrick volkerding (assuming he is still with us...) |
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| 07:10.13 | ozzloy | even with religions like IPU and FSM i'm still agnostic |
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| 07:10.41 | kevix | ozzloy, so you dont eat pasta? |
| 07:10.42 | jm_ | Coke: no idea about that, trying to find the docs on their page |
| 07:10.55 | simonrvn | i'm old time traditionalist, i.e., what some people would ignorantly call "native spirituality". |
| 07:11.07 | ivh | hi, my logins via ssh authorized_keys have suddenly stopped working... what can be the reason for that? |
| 07:11.09 | dannyp | so my mp3s are skipping under any load at all in linux. I don't witness the same on FreeBSD with the exact same userland processes running (the only difference so far as I'm using nv as my xfree86 server here, whereas I'm using nvidia's on FreeBSD- a difference I'll remedy next time I restart X) and am trying to figure out what to tweak |
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| 07:11.24 | sanxiyn | This is a great image from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Invisible_Pink_Unicorn.png |
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| 07:11.29 | Coke | simonrvn: old time traditionalist sounds like the super man of conservatism. :) |
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| 07:11.39 | jm_ | Coke: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/old-client.html |
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| 07:11.43 | dannyp | the soundcard is PCI- es1371 based, the videocard is an AGP nForce2 |
| 07:11.48 | simonrvn | nah, i'm not conservative at all |
| 07:12.08 | simonrvn | not politically anyway |
| 07:12.26 | dannyp | using 2.6.8 #2 |
| 07:12.26 | nvz | not at all? |
| 07:12.33 | dannyp | the mp3s are coming off of a UFS2 filesystem |
| 07:12.39 | kevix | ivh, did you: upgrade anything? get any interesting error message? ... |
| 07:12.45 | dannyp | maybe I should copy them over to an ext3 filesystem to eliminate another variable. |
| 07:13.00 | nvz | not about crime, police abuse..etc |
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| 07:13.18 | ozzloy | kevix, that's correct. pasta sux |
| 07:13.25 | dannyp | heh, police abuse! police *are* the abuse! |
| 07:13.32 | jm_ | dannyp: could be X server chewing CPU, check it's nice setting and alter it, or alternatively, try CK's staircase CPU scheduler |
| 07:13.35 | ozzloy | actually earlier tonight i went to an italian place |
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| 07:13.51 | dannyp | jm_: I'm trying to not have to play with too many scheduler settings |
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| 07:13.57 | simonrvn | nvz: i've participated in several anti-police brutality demos ;) |
| 07:14.19 | dannyp | jm_: when this semester is over I won't need vmware so the decision to boot into freebsd or debian (it's a dualboot box) will be done based on other things |
| 07:14.27 | jm_ | dannyp: well you can basically not play with them at all by default (except for preempt) |
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| 07:14.38 | dannyp | and I could tweak either's scheduler to fit my needs |
| 07:14.43 | dannyp | I was including nice values as 'tweak' |
| 07:15.17 | nvz | my /favorite/ (sarcasm) local officer was at it again harassing me last night.. parked the squad car two blocks away and snuck up on me and a friend to ask me what I was doing on my property in a town I have lived in and been actively involved in politics for more than 15 years. I am getting tired of his shit. if I see him one more time without being charged with something I am calling in the ACLU and filing a citizens complaint and harassment |
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| 07:15.39 | seeeS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.54 | simonrvn | nvz: go for it dude |
| 07:15.58 | nvz | seeeS: yep in the Commonpoverty of Pennsylvania to be specific |
| 07:16.14 | ivh | kevix: the security-updates for sarge, nothing else. unfortunealty, I cannot tell exactly when it stopped working since it's a little used account. ssh -vv tell me that the pubkey is sent and then it continues with next auth-method |
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| 07:16.30 | dannyp | nope, it's not poor filesystem code |
| 07:16.44 | tcsetattr | ivh, have you tried both ssh -1 and ssh -2 ? |
| 07:17.05 | seeeS | nvz: ah, the US police are funny, mroe like jumped-up council workers. |
| 07:17.10 | nvz | he's a drug user and a looser turned cop.. and I just found out recently their contract doesnt even require they be drug tested.. and they gave this dipshit a K9 unit and he's abusing the privlage I will not tolerate it |
| 07:17.13 | ivh | tcsetattr: both machines speak 2 |
| 07:17.28 | simonrvn | ugh, *shudder* |
| 07:17.36 | nvz | I am probably going to end up joining the ACLU soon :P |
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| 07:17.58 | dannyp | nvz: what part of PA? |
| 07:18.03 | tcsetattr | ivh, are you keys all version-2 keys? and are you _sure_ the client is trying 2 by default? because if it's set fo the wrong version for the key you -i'ed, it won't switch to the correct one |
| 07:18.09 | nvz | dannyp: South-western |
| 07:18.13 | dannyp | pittsburgh area? |
| 07:18.39 | nvz | yep |
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| 07:18.56 | ivh | tcsetattr: the same setup worked before, yes it's all in v.2. I just found this line in the -vv output: debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method |
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| 07:20.07 | dannyp | nvz: inside the city? |
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| 07:20.23 | nvz | dannyp: nope about 10 miles or so north of it |
| 07:20.29 | dannyp | got it. I'm in the city. |
| 07:20.45 | dannyp | if you don't mind me asking a somewhat personal question about your police experience, are you active on the left, right, or center? |
| 07:21.05 | nvz | dannyp: if I was in the city I would have the priority of buying a gun and getting a licence to carry before researching the ACLU |
| 07:21.36 | Guerin | nvz: bah, another stupid american who thinks carrying a gun around is protection |
| 07:21.45 | dannyp | Guerin: indeed |
| 07:21.48 | fisious | hello. i have done an upgrade with dselect and it's upgraded my kernel. i rebooted and it has a kernel panic of "unable to mount root fs " possible to get a bit of help? |
| 07:21.56 | dannyp | Guerin: or that there's any need for protection |
| 07:22.10 | nvz | you've never been to the city I take it they held a relative of mine at gunpoint with the swat team for carrying an umbrella |
| 07:22.16 | dannyp | nvz: I live in the city |
| 07:22.17 | mjk64 | Guerin: well, if *everyone* carries a gun, it /is/ a kind of protection. |
| 07:22.17 | Guerin | dannyp: well, there may or may not be,, but in the vast majority of cases, a gun ain't it |
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| 07:22.31 | ColonelKernel | !kp |
| 07:22.31 | dpkg | [kp] To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 07:22.33 | mjk64 | Guerin: disparity suxx. |
| 07:22.35 | nvz | dannyp: I know you have been there |
| 07:22.44 | Guerin | mjk64: it's not working in the US, and it sure as shit ain't working throughout central asia. |
| 07:22.45 | kevix | fisious, do you have a live cd like knoppix or mephis? |
| 07:22.52 | fireba11 | Guerin: am wondering how many people got shot because they were carrying a gun and how many where shot with their own gun .. ^^ |
| 07:22.55 | jm_ | fisious: make sure it loads initrd and it detects your hardware |
| 07:23.02 | fisious | kevix i've got a suse live cd |
| 07:23.04 | nvz | dannyp: I am not concerned with city police they are a whole different agenda |
| 07:23.04 | Guerin | fireba11: google it. |
| 07:23.05 | streuner | What would happen if we let only identified users join us? |
| 07:23.06 | dannyp | nvz: maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying. are you afraid of the cops or the rest of us? |
| 07:23.14 | fisious | i could download knoppix if needs be |
| 07:23.15 | _keroppi_ | Does anyone know how to use a WYSE terminal? |
| 07:23.25 | jm_ | _keroppi_: yes, many people do |
| 07:23.27 | fisious | jm i'm sure it's something to do with initrd |
| 07:23.29 | simonrvn | nvz: FYI, i'd be considered far left. give you an idea of where i lean ;) |
| 07:23.29 | mjk64 | Guerin: But it works in Switzerland. :-) |
| 07:23.30 | Guerin | nvz: yeah... you live in the most dangerous place in the world. |
| 07:23.33 | fisious | but how do i fix it? |
| 07:23.35 | nvz | dannyp: I am not afraid of anyone.. but when the cops are shooting at me I plan on shooting back. |
| 07:23.37 | jm_ | fisious: so make sure it's loaded and it exists |
| 07:23.40 | streuner | debian users should be clever enough to able to identified themselves... |
| 07:23.43 | kevix | fisious, you can boot to a live-cd and then 'chroot' into the box and rerun lilo. |
| 07:23.45 | fisious | jm_ how? |
| 07:23.50 | mjk64 | Guerin: Although they don't actually /carry/ their weapons, but have 'em at home. |
| 07:23.51 | Guerin | nvz: i'll send you a postcard from Kabul in six or eight months' time |
| 07:23.53 | dannyp | nvz: well I don't blame you for that |
| 07:23.56 | dannyp | and I am no friend of the police |
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| 07:24.00 | nvz | dannyp: these ones are bitches they are not slinging anything but BS |
| 07:24.12 | Guerin | mjk64: switzerland has a very long history of responsible use of force. |
| 07:24.15 | jm_ | fisious: basic stuff, make sure file exists, make sure boot loader loads it |
| 07:24.23 | simonrvn | nvz: also FYI, cops suck everywhere ;) |
| 07:24.25 | fisious | kevix any live cd? |
| 07:24.37 | dannyp | nvz: I mean, as far as I am concerned, police are combatants in a war against the people |
| 07:24.39 | kevix | fisious, IIRC ? |
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| 07:24.47 | _keroppi_ | jm_: Okay, I have a terminal hooked up to a regular computer's serial port, and before it was playing as a dummy terminal that would print when it was given xterm escape codes |
| 07:24.55 | streuner | Guerin: what do you think? |
| 07:24.59 | Guerin | nvz: why? Shooting back at cops guarantees you'll be dead, rather than making it just a likelihood if you cower and wait. |
| 07:25.11 | _keroppi_ | jm_: But then it got power cycled, and now it doesn't work as before, do you know how to put it back in the proper mode? I have no experience with these things... |
| 07:25.12 | simonrvn | dannyp: and how |
| 07:25.13 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah well they always sucked here, but before I went away for those few years they knew better than to harass the locals, especially the politically active ones. now they are just haters |
| 07:25.16 | dannyp | _keroppi_: unless you have good aim |
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| 07:25.22 | Guerin | streuner: WHAT YOU SAY!!!! |
| 07:25.28 | streuner | What would happen if we let only identified users join us? |
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| 07:25.42 | simonrvn | dannyp: cops are para-military |
| 07:25.45 | streuner | spambots would be history |
| 07:25.53 | mjk64 | Guerin: Okay, it might not be a good idea just to give anyone at any age a weapon, but if everyone is being taught the correct and responsible dealing with weapon, then they should have one. |
| 07:25.55 | dannyp | simonrvn: yes, and it's getting worse, all around the world |
| 07:25.55 | Guerin | streuner: no, spambots would register. |
| 07:25.57 | jm_ | _keroppi_: press SetUp key in top right corner to get to the menus, then configure it properly |
| 07:26.03 | fireba11 | Guerin: only found a stupid "Gun Facts" pdf where they tell you things like "Myth: Children should be kept away from guns for their own safety" |
| 07:26.06 | Guerin | mjk64: hahahaha |
| 07:26.14 | Guerin | fireba11: your google-fu is weak. |
| 07:26.29 | simonrvn | dannyp: indeed it is. the far right has moved into the various political offices, and are "closing the claw" so to speak |
| 07:26.34 | nvz | dannyp: seems like activism is the only way. you shine the public light on them and they'll run like the cockroaches they are |
| 07:26.40 | streuner | Guerin: hah, how do you know? |
| 07:26.49 | _keroppi_ | jm_: I didn't set it up, so I don't know how to configure it properly. It's hooked up to the serial port... |
| 07:26.50 | mjk64 | Guerin: don't laugh, that's basically a good idea =) |
| 07:26.53 | Guerin | i'm all for firearms - i'm just not under the delusion that carrying a loaded one around with you makes you safe. Safety is about behavior, not about equipment. |
| 07:27.02 | rjalex | I have a batch file which backsup all of my important configuration files into one directory. Each time I run it it simply copies the files in this backup directory. How could I couple this with something like cvs to that the history of modifications is preserved ? Thank you |
| 07:27.03 | dannyp | nvz: well if you have a story about the police, you can publish it for yourself on pittsburgh.indymedia.org |
| 07:27.03 | Guerin | streuner: because some of them already do it. |
| 07:27.04 | fisious | kevix is KNOPPIX_V3.8.2-2005-05-05-EN.iso the one? |
| 07:27.12 | _keroppi_ | jm_: Does its personality have anything to do with the setup? |
| 07:27.35 | Guerin | kevix: no, it's an utterly appalling idea, unless you can guarantee five nines of responsible firearm usage - wwhich nobody can. |
| 07:27.48 | dannyp | simonrvn: I mean, I think it's been getting consistently worse over the past 30 years |
| 07:27.48 | simonrvn | nvz: COBP has been very successful here in shining that light on the cops here. they're the ones that organise the anti-brutality demos, help people out with legal/cop issues, publish a monthly rag on various abuses, etc. |
| 07:27.49 | kevix | fisious, if you have a SUSE, try it first. |
| 07:27.53 | simonrvn | dannyp: yup |
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| 07:27.58 | jm_ | _keroppi_: its personality? |
| 07:28.14 | _keroppi_ | jm_: There's a personality option... |
| 07:28.20 | _keroppi_ | jm_: In the WYSE terminal configuration |
| 07:28.21 | dannyp | the amount of people who are thrown in prisons is, in a word, disgusting |
| 07:28.25 | fireba11 | Guerin: no .. pro-gun-lobbys google-bomb-fu is strong ^^ |
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| 07:28.33 | jm_ | _keroppi_: don't remember it off top of my head, ours is not connected right now |
| 07:28.36 | Eiscreme | hi |
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| 07:29.07 | dannyp | the pursuit of profit at the expense of others is encouraged by the government in almost all industries, except the drug business |
| 07:29.32 | jm_ | ehh? drug business is the worst ;) |
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| 07:29.49 | Guerin | dannyp: you need to watch less TV |
| 07:29.59 | dannyp | Guerin: hmm? |
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| 07:30.04 | rjalex | what is the command to avoid receiving messages from one user ? |
| 07:30.13 | mjk64 | Anyone successfully used the ext2online resize patch for kernel 2.6.x? |
| 07:30.16 | mjk64 | rjalex: /ignore |
| 07:30.18 | nvz | dannyp: Its been reported already by the nutty lady across the street got beef with em too. they came in her yard and tore her signs down. right now I am just tired of seeing this one cop's ugly mug its not became a problem yet other than an outsider encroaching on my citizens property. its happend 3 times this month on my block alone and last night it happened to me. |
| 07:30.26 | rjalex | mjk64 thanks |
| 07:30.41 | mjk64 | rjalex: no prb |
| 07:30.44 | simonrvn | dannyp: u.s. has the highest number of people in prison in the *world*. often for "crimes" of poverty. i.e., they criminalise the poor because they try to feed/house/clothe thmselves, or actvities related to providing personal and/or family income. also often it's "drug related", where either it's because they don't trate it like a health issue (say for heroin addicts), or related to the first issue i mentioned |
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| 07:31.16 | dannyp | simonrvn: right. I hope it's clear that I'm agreeing with you |
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| 07:31.23 | simonrvn | dannyp: :) |
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| 07:31.30 | rjalex | The amount of people in US prisons also explains the low unemployement rate !!! Serious !!! Inmates are not counted and the US has 6 million people in prison !!! |
| 07:31.45 | nvz | heh |
| 07:31.46 | dannyp | simonrvn: I was just thrown off by Guerin's "watch less TV" comment and as to whether I said something that could be egregiously misunderstood |
| 07:31.48 | simonrvn | rjalex: indeed |
| 07:31.51 | streuner | rjalex: haha, yeah |
| 07:32.09 | dannyp | because watching TV would make you afraid of drug addicts and dark people, not the other way around |
| 07:32.25 | kieko | help! help! help!! ^^ |
| 07:32.29 | rjalex | anyone talking about debian on this channel :) :) |
| 07:32.32 | simonrvn | dannyp: not at all. i knew you were. that was for public consumption, even if you did know it. i.e., public education ;) |
| 07:32.52 | kevix | fisious, you boot into the live cd. you mount the root partition with dev and rw access. chroot to it. rerun lilo. |
| 07:32.56 | dannyp | rjalex: actually, a lot of prisoners are forced to work, and usually at slave wages |
| 07:32.57 | Guerin | rjalex: this is about averagely on-topic |
| 07:33.05 | rjalex | LOL |
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| 07:33.08 | Guerin | dannyp: slaves don't get wages. |
| 07:33.09 | fisious | kevix i'm loading now |
| 07:33.12 | nvz | heh |
| 07:33.13 | simonrvn | dannyp: don't get me started on that, i'll go write up a rant or something ;) |
| 07:33.15 | dannyp | rjalex: they're forced to work because they are forced to pay for their own costs of incarceration |
| 07:33.24 | dannyp | Guerin: not true. They get food and they get clothes. |
| 07:33.27 | nvz | nkuttler: better than tv, IMO |
| 07:33.29 | simonrvn | i often blog my rants |
| 07:33.30 | HaNazir | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.54 | simonrvn | HaNazir: easily |
| 07:33.55 | nkuttler | HaNazir: sure |
| 07:34.10 | kevix | fisious, when I say live cd, i dont mean an installer but a cd that boots into a console or kde or gnome. |
| 07:34.14 | nvz | HaNazir: sure.. learn to use screen. great for multitasking in text mode |
| 07:34.15 | kieko | help me!! i want to play microsoft based games on linux... |
| 07:34.21 | ircdevil | 6 million in prison? wow! how many us citizens on the outside? |
| 07:34.23 | HaNazir | what apps would i use, for a browser, e-mail and chat? |
| 07:34.28 | fisious | kevix yes. it's Suse live cd with kde3.3 |
| 07:34.31 | Maneit | kieko: google cedega and wine. |
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| 07:34.44 | nvz | kieko: relax. www.transgaming.com its not a debian issue |
| 07:34.46 | simonrvn | w3m, muttng, any number (in that order) |
| 07:34.48 | EdLin | HaNazir: elinks has SSL support for the web, chat you can use with centericq or with bitlbee and your IRC client, email with a number of programs such as mutt. |
| 07:34.49 | Coke | kieko: buy and install Microsoft Windows |
| 07:34.53 | Guerin | ircdevil: the other 285,000,000 |
| 07:35.01 | rjalex | the point is that they do not count as un-employed ... really and if I recall correctly yhe use has about 200M people of which 6M in prison and that is 3% !!!! A 3% difference in un-emplyment would make anyone be re-elected.. If Bush gets the idea he could incarerate another 6M and get re-elected since the emplyoment rose 3% :) :) :) |
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| 07:35.08 | dealt | greetings |
| 07:35.11 | kieko | Coke lol!! |
| 07:35.13 | dealt | quick question, is it ok to build/install a new version of an application from source without uninstalling the previous version? |
| 07:35.21 | dannyp | I think the prison population is probably closer to 2 million. I believe 6 million is the prison+parole+probation population |
| 07:35.21 | dondelelcaro | people, #politics is just over there... |
| 07:35.27 | HaNazir | thanx guys |
| 07:35.31 | nvz | dondelelcaro: just do it. (tm) |
| 07:35.35 | nvz | dealt: ^ |
| 07:35.36 | simonrvn | dannyp: yeh |
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| 07:35.41 | pngwn | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 07:35.43 | nvz | dondelelcaro: sorry :P |
| 07:35.47 | mjk64 | rjalex: OMG :-} |
| 07:35.48 | kieko | i jumped into linux unprepared... how stupid i am |
| 07:35.50 | dealt | nvz, thanks |
| 07:35.59 | mjk64 | kieko: =) |
| 07:36.03 | dannyp | boo, I'm not sorry, there is not much topic for this channel |
| 07:36.04 | Coke | dealt: it all matters on whether or not you intend to overwrite the old libraries, if they are different major versions, etc. |
| 07:36.13 | kevix | dealt, building will not cause a problem, but installing will invoke the checks for dependencies. |
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| 07:36.19 | rjalex | any ideas on a mechanism to backup the files I modify in /etc somewhere and keep an history of modifications (something like CVS does) ?????????????????????? |
| 07:36.26 | Guerin | !tell rjalex about ep |
| 07:36.36 | simonrvn | beat me to it |
| 07:36.41 | migma | Hi, I'm using sarge and am having problems whenever I'm using the 2.6 kernel, gnome-terminal always gives me a "There is an error creating the child process for this terminal" error. Anyone? |
| 07:36.42 | fisious | kevix could you possibly step me through this. i don't know how to mount my hd. it's reiserfs and i think it's hda1 |
| 07:36.43 | jm_ | you can have /etc under revision control system |
| 07:36.43 | rjalex | Guerin what is ep ? |
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| 07:36.51 | dannyp | if you would like me to phrase things in debian terminology, how about I express my disdain for the number of non-free packages(persons) out there |
| 07:36.55 | rjalex | jm_ how ? |
| 07:36.55 | Guerin | rjalex: RTFMessage |
| 07:36.59 | ircdevil | Guerin: impressive. and 50000 homocides a year, and 50000 traffic kills a year, and then some stupid mf's flying into some buildens killing 3000 gets the blame - or what? |
| 07:37.01 | simonrvn | rj-away: read what the bot /msged you |
| 07:37.07 | simonrvn | rjalex: ^^ |
| 07:37.13 | jm_ | rjalex: you can find docs on the net, I don't use it myself |
| 07:37.20 | nvz | gotta love the topic of that channel (#politics) "<ysoukori>Ibunch of tits sucking kids who have not developed any intellect yet (arubin)" |
| 07:37.28 | mjk64 | rjalex: RCS :-) |
| 07:37.29 | Guerin | ircdevil: the smack has been put down on this topic, and rightly so. |
| 07:37.31 | ircdevil | maybe the problem is elsewhere |
| 07:37.41 | simonrvn | nvz: #politics is pretty degenerate.... |
| 07:37.41 | rjalex | Sorry but I see only a /tell rjalex about ep and ths's it ... |
| 07:37.41 | kevix | fisious, mkdir /mnt/root; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/root; |
| 07:37.46 | Guerin | !ep |
| 07:37.47 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:37.51 | nvz | simonrvn: I wouldnt know, never been. |
| 07:37.59 | Guerin | there, now I had to irritate EVERYONE |
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| 07:38.10 | simonrvn | @irritate Guerin |
| 07:38.11 | ravenbird | Guerin: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 07:38.19 | HaNazir | anyway i can enabled xserver for one user and disable it for another one. Meanign i dont want the other user to be able to use a graphical interface. |
| 07:38.36 | rjalex | !ep |
| 07:38.36 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:38.42 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:38.43 | dealt | nvz, im trying to build/install a new version of wine, it warns me of my old wine install that might conflict, should i just continue? |
| 07:38.43 | fisious | kevix /mnt/ is the cd. read only |
| 07:38.45 | nkuttler | rjalex: /msg the bot |
| 07:38.52 | EdLin | !botabuse |
| 07:38.53 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 07:39.07 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 07:39.08 | nvz | dealt: they have a channel #wine with people who know and care about such things. |
| 07:39.20 | simonrvn | #winehq actually |
| 07:39.26 | dealt | nvz, thanks |
| 07:39.29 | dannyp | so does anyone have any creative ideas for why my mp3s are skipping under relatively low load? |
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| 07:39.33 | kevix | fisious, ok. try mkdir /tmp/root; mount /dev/hda1 /tmp/root |
| 07:39.40 | nvz | yeah that too. I personally dont want to think about wine unless its italian red wine |
| 07:39.46 | simonrvn | dannyp: they're in a playful mood? |
| 07:39.46 | DrGamut | What's the optimal syntax for echoing a string, piping it to sed, and echoing sed's output on the same line? |
| 07:39.49 | Eclipser | dannyp, hard drive sucks? |
| 07:39.54 | rjalex | dannyp: creative ? maybe you are having some hearing problems ? :) |
| 07:40.06 | dannyp | Eclipser: nope, this machine is dual boot FreeBSD and Linux, and there's no problems when I'm in FreeBSD |
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| 07:40.11 | dannyp | even under much higher userland loads |
| 07:40.22 | nkuttler | DrGamut: what do you mean, on the same line? |
| 07:40.39 | Guerin | dannyp: using a sound server? |
| 07:40.43 | DrGamut | nkuttler: I mean it outputs both strings together separated by a space. |
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| 07:40.52 | DrGamut | So that if I input string 1 it outputs "string1 string2". |
| 07:40.57 | Eclipser | dannyp, maybe DMA isn't enabled in your linux? |
| 07:40.57 | DrGamut | String 2 being string1 after processed by sed. |
| 07:41.05 | dannyp | DMA is enabled |
| 07:41.11 | rhalff | hi anybody using mydns and mysql with a utf8 setting ? |
| 07:41.15 | dannyp | Guerin: I hadn't intended to, but I just checked, and artsd is running |
| 07:41.22 | dannyp | Guerin: xmms isn't configured to use it, however. does that matter? |
| 07:41.23 | nkuttler | DrGamut: i'm not sure i get what you want, man echo, make it not put a newline? |
| 07:41.24 | tcsetattr | DrGamut, use an ampersand in the sed substitution string, it will expand into the input string. |
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| 07:41.33 | migma | hey, I'm having problems whenever I'm using the 2.6 kernel whenever I run gnome-terminal it always gives me a "There is an error creating the child process for this terminal" error. Anyone? |
| 07:41.48 | dannyp | kill artsd? |
| 07:41.50 | Guerin | dannyp: yes. |
| 07:41.52 | fisious | kevix .ok. i'm in /tmp/root/etc |
| 07:41.54 | DrGamut | nkuttler, no that's not it, I was showed how before but I can't recall now =x |
| 07:42.03 | Guerin | dannyp: don't kill it; disable it permanently in kcontrol |
| 07:42.05 | DrGamut | tcsetattr: ok |
| 07:42.11 | Guerin | drive a stake thought that evil black heart |
| 07:42.16 | dannyp | Guerin: not a KDE user |
| 07:42.25 | tcsetattr | DraGamut, I assume this is something like perl golf where you just want it to be short and hard to understand... otherwise echo -n "$foo " ; echo $foo | sed ... is much clearer. |
| 07:42.27 | DrGamut | tcsetattr: that worked, thank you |
| 07:42.30 | Guerin | dannyp: then why are you using kde? |
| 07:42.34 | dannyp | Guerin: I'm not |
| 07:42.42 | Guerin | then why is artsd running? |
| 07:42.46 | DrGamut | tcsetattr: You assume correct. =) |
| 07:42.50 | dannyp | I let debian install some packages I didn't need, and thought I removed most of them |
| 07:42.53 | dannyp | guess I missed one... |
| 07:42.55 | Guerin | ah |
| 07:42.59 | Guerin | purge! |
| 07:43.25 | dannyp | Guerin: anyhow, that doesn't fix it. |
| 07:43.29 | fireba11 | Guerin: ohh |
| 07:43.36 | tcsetattr | actually & only expands into the _matched_ part of the string... |
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| 07:43.45 | dannyp | I'm going to switch to the nvidia X server, just to eliminate the one userland difference between my setup here and in freebsd |
| 07:43.47 | DrGamut | tcsetattr: which happens to be the whole string |
| 07:43.48 | christianp | hi all |
| 07:43.54 | DrGamut | tcsetattr: It works, thanks. |
| 07:43.57 | Guerin | dannyp: is it dead and uninstalled, and prevented from running again? otherwise it'll spring back to life whenever anything needs sound. |
| 07:43.59 | kevix | fisious, do cd /; chroot /tmp/root; |
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| 07:44.27 | fisious | kevix so i'm doing this in Suse to a debian flavour? |
| 07:44.31 | Guerin | dannyp: what kernel, where are you getting the choons from, what does top (etc.) exhibit when skipping? spikes? |
| 07:44.42 | kevix | fisious, yes. |
| 07:45.07 | dannyp | 2.6.8, not huge spikes, xmms + files on any filesystem (ext3 or ufs2) |
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| 07:45.18 | fisious | kevix okay. done that |
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| 07:45.32 | fisious | kevix now just run lilo? |
| 07:45.38 | kevix | fisious, now the last step. run 'lilo -t -v' to test things. |
| 07:45.39 | Guerin | dannyp: known-good mp3s, I presume? |
| 07:45.47 | tcsetattr | dannyp, exiting X and using mpg123 would be another way to eliminate a variable. |
| 07:45.55 | Update | once debian complies with SLB 3 will it go commercial ? |
| 07:46.17 | dondelelcaro | Update: Debian won't ever go "commercial" |
| 07:46.25 | Guerin | dannyp: yeah, xmms has its own problems. Are you using the alsa output plugin? |
| 07:46.30 | Update | how can you be sure ? |
| 07:46.35 | Guerin | i know the xmms-alsa is flakey |
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| 07:46.37 | kevix | fisious, did the command have any errors? |
| 07:46.38 | kieko | can you please send me the wine!! |
| 07:46.39 | dondelelcaro | Update: it's a non profit, and will continue to be so as long as there are developers interested in developing for it |
| 07:46.41 | kieko | T_T |
| 07:46.47 | dondelelcaro | Update: uh, because I'm a Developer? |
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| 07:46.47 | Guerin | kieko: nobody can. |
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| 07:46.53 | kieko | why not? |
| 07:47.07 | tcsetattr | someone set up us the wine! |
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| 07:47.07 | Guerin | !social contract |
| 07:47.07 | dpkg | Debian's social contract is at http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 07:47.09 | fisious | kevix i dont see erros. says Added Linux * and Added LinuxOLD |
| 07:47.11 | Guerin | Update: ^^^ |
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| 07:47.29 | kieko | what do you mean? |
| 07:47.32 | Update | ok |
| 07:47.36 | fireba11 | Update: you sound like you want that to happen ^^ |
| 07:47.40 | kevix | fisious, ok. now to run lilo for real. 'lilo -v' (-v as in verbose) |
| 07:47.44 | Update | LOL |
| 07:47.45 | christianp | my debian mailserver had this problem: some hd sectors were broken, so i did fsck. fsck fixes some problems and now the system restarts. But some base command (such as ls and other main command) are deleted. Is there a way to restore it or i have to reinstall the system dleting the old one? |
| 07:47.53 | Update | you dont know me at all ... |
| 07:48.22 | dondelelcaro | christianp: just reinstall the packages that provide those commands |
| 07:48.28 | fireba11 | christianp: you dnd't fsck without unmounting it did you ? |
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| 07:48.29 | Guerin | Update: do you have a point? You got your answer. |
| 07:48.32 | bob2 | !+printk |
| 07:48.32 | dpkg | it has been said that printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 07:48.35 | fisious | kevix ok. so i spose just reboot now? |
| 07:48.35 | mortalman | Got a problem. The ndiswrapper.ko module clearly exists in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686....., but doesn't show up when I do "modprobe -L" and it says "module not found" when I do "modprobe ndiswrapper". What gives ? |
| 07:48.36 | ines | I've bought two debian release CD's from a place (made sure they gave part of the profit to Debian), so the distribution software _can_ be comercialized. |
| 07:48.50 | Update | no point just making sure |
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| 07:48.58 | christianp | i don't know what are the packages were broken |
| 07:48.59 | kevix | fisious, yup. that should reinstall lilo. if that was the problem. |
| 07:49.01 | dondelelcaro | ines: it can be sold, but that's different from Debian going "commercial" |
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| 07:49.08 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 07:49.12 | christianp | fireba11, i can't understand what you mean |
| 07:49.16 | DrGamut | I was licking salsa off of a plate and got it all over my beard. |
| 07:49.16 | dondelelcaro | (whatever the hell going "commercial" means) |
| 07:49.17 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: unless you're UK based, right? ;-) |
| 07:49.18 | Guerin | ines: but that's not DEBIAN being commercial - that's third parties exercising their free software rights |
| 07:49.20 | ines | dondelelcaro, yes, I know. |
| 07:49.27 | amorphix | is there a program or command to test if a mouse is workin? |
| 07:49.27 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 07:49.27 | djp | anyone recommend a way for kids to make music on a debian 3.1 pc? no midi controller or any other instruments here, just the pc. i thought maybe some kind of tracker program may be the answer, though any suggestions welcomed... |
| 07:49.28 | ines | I know, I'm not saying that it is!! |
| 07:49.34 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: or if you're MJR |
| 07:49.37 | ines | Just clearing it up to Update! |
| 07:49.40 | fireba11 | christianp: you should unmount the aprtition you want to fsck .. otherwise you will most likely totally break it |
| 07:49.42 | Coke | kieko: have you not gone Windows yet? |
| 07:49.42 | kevix | fisious, oh wait. type 'exit' first. |
| 07:49.49 | fisious | too late |
| 07:49.49 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: then breathing may be commercial |
| 07:49.56 | nvz | Update: making sure that we know, that we don't know you? |
| 07:50.02 | dannyp | Guerin: no, OSS. |
| 07:50.13 | amorphix | hi |
| 07:50.16 | nkuttler | djp: google debian edu, but i have no idea if there is music stuff in it |
| 07:50.20 | amorphix | is there a program or command to test if a mouse is workin? |
| 07:50.21 | dannyp | Guerin: which I suppose isn't smart. because I'm using ALSA drivers. |
| 07:50.25 | Update | nvz stop jumping into conclusions |
| 07:50.25 | Coke | djp: soundtracker is simple enough, but for recording stuff something like ardour. the latter requires jackd. |
| 07:50.26 | fisious | kevix why type exit? |
| 07:50.30 | kevix | fisious, ok. i forgot to say to 'exit' and then 'umount' the paritition. but I think reboot may work. |
| 07:50.30 | kieko | im trying to cut off/reduce billgates profit.... Coke please help me on this!! |
| 07:50.32 | Guerin | dannyp: OSS, or alsa sound system? Not the xmms side; if you're unsure, check /proc/asound/cards |
| 07:50.46 | fisious | kevix i rebooted and still it won't mount |
| 07:50.47 | nvz | Update: the ? is a question mark which means it was a question not a conclusion. |
| 07:50.50 | Guerin | dannyp: no, alsa has oss emulation which works well. |
| 07:50.51 | Coke | kieko: I already did. |
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| 07:50.58 | dannyp | Guerin: ALSA on the kernel side |
| 07:50.59 | Update | sure |
| 07:50.59 | kevix | fisious, to get back to the suse root (from the debian root). and them umount. |
| 07:51.05 | fisious | kevix "Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 07:51.12 | Coke | kieko: if you REALLY want to hurt Bill Gates, stop buying the fucking games that are broken = does not work in GNU/Linux. |
| 07:51.14 | kieko | how? im just 15... dont know much about linus |
| 07:51.18 | kevix | fisious, is it the same message. |
| 07:51.19 | Update | what if i asked you if you was a cop or an fbi agent ? |
| 07:51.20 | kieko | linux* |
| 07:51.24 | amorphix | hi, im having trouble with my mouse (pointer doesnt move in X) is there a shell command or program to test a mouse? |
| 07:51.32 | Update | wasnt that jumping intoi conclusions ? |
| 07:51.37 | Coke | kieko: buy and install MS Windows. or even better; buy an X-Box, it's totally for gaming. |
| 07:51.39 | kevix | fisious, what kernel did you upgrade to? |
| 07:51.41 | fisious | kevix yep. i'm ust going to burn this knoppix cd. might be a quiker boot than the suse |
| 07:51.46 | christianp | fireba11, fsck has gone! and now ? |
| 07:51.52 | bob2 | how do you close a CDATA? |
| 07:51.53 | ines | amorphix, try mdetect (you may need to install it) |
| 07:51.54 | nvz | Update: I am on the ACLU Fighting Police Abuse page right now, what do you think? Of course I am not a cop. |
| 07:51.59 | liable | amorphix: cat /dev/input/mice, or whatever you set it too.. |
| 07:52.05 | fisious | kevix tbh i don't know. it just happened when i installed nbstat |
| 07:52.07 | mortalman | if (file_exists("ndiswrapper.ko") && empty(`modprobe -L | grep ndis`)) { echo "Houston, we have a problem."; } |
| 07:52.08 | amorphix | many thanks guys |
| 07:52.09 | Update | whatever |
| 07:52.13 | dannyp | oh, huh, it looks like firefox was out of control |
| 07:52.15 | Guerin | nvz: i bet you want all the freedom freaks to believe that. |
| 07:52.16 | liable | !whatever |
| 07:52.16 | dpkg | methinks whatever is the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 07:52.17 | nvz | Update: besides, what does that have to do with the price of gas. |
| 07:52.22 | Update | whatever you say sir |
| 07:52.22 | Guerin | dannyp: i blame java |
| 07:52.23 | dannyp | maybe that was it... |
| 07:52.23 | djp | cheers nkuttler and Coke. |
| 07:52.25 | Coke | kieko: even though GNU/Linux is better suited for gaming than Windows will ever be, gamers are just not it's target audience and game producers don't include GNU users as part of their demographic target. |
| 07:52.37 | fireba11 | christianp: i you didn't unmount first i guess ? then most likely about 10% of your files are gone ...try to mount the HD in another PC and rescue whats still there ... |
| 07:52.46 | nvz | Guerin: what that I am on the ACLU website? or that I am not a cop? |
| 07:53.00 | dannyp | Guerin: seems to have fixed it. I'm going to install wmtop, so I can notice in text time ;) |
| 07:53.13 | Guerin | nvz: they go hand in hand. |
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| 07:53.23 | Guerin | dannyp: eew, dockapps |
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| 07:53.32 | dannyp | Guerin: oh quiet, you KDE user |
| 07:53.39 | Guerin | i love dockapps in principle |
| 07:53.43 | kevix | fisious, if you can type 'Linux single' to boot into single user mode (no X) |
| 07:53.49 | Guerin | dannyp: heh. I'm not; I'm upgrading it on my wife's box. |
| 07:53.50 | dondelelcaro | but in actuality, they just eat screen realestate |
| 07:53.52 | JimButton | nvz: you are infiltrating the ACLU? |
| 07:53.54 | ines | amorphix, then use the result you get from mdetect to configure X (using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or if you're using unstable "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg") |
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| 07:53.57 | mortalman | Anyone know why modprobe wouldn't be able to find a kernel module ?? |
| 07:54.04 | dondelelcaro | mortalman: because the module doesn't exist? |
| 07:54.10 | dondelelcaro | (that's usually a good reason) |
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| 07:54.26 | mortalman | dondelelcaro: Well, it does. Any others? |
| 07:54.28 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, and they're all really fucking ugly, too small to be of any use, impossible to integrade into any environment, etc... |
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| 07:54.33 | nvz | Guerin: heh. this has nothing to do with freedom freaks. I was just curious about Update's strange behavior he chose to bring up law enforcement |
| 07:54.39 | doleyb | mortalman: run depmod again? |
| 07:54.39 | nkuttler | mortalman: try insmod with absolute path |
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| 07:54.52 | ines | amorphix, ... to configure the mouse. |
| 07:54.57 | fisious | kevix is VFS the Ram drive for the INITimage |
| 07:55.00 | dannyp | what about law enforcement? |
| 07:55.05 | Update | it was just something out of the blue |
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| 07:55.12 | kevix | fisious, I could not find nbstat. |
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| 07:55.25 | dondelelcaro | mortalman: strace -o modprobe foomodule; and see where it's looking, and make sure that it jives with where you think the module is and what the module is named. |
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| 07:55.31 | fisious | kevix may not have spelt it correctly |
| 07:55.33 | christianp | fireba11, i have a system backup, i only need a fast way to rebuilt the mailserverl. Next week i'll change the disk and reinstall all. |
| 07:55.45 | fisious | kevix it hunts for MAC addresses using netbios |
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| 07:56.05 | christianp | i have dpkg corrupted, so i need a method to upgrade my configuration |
| 07:56.06 | fireba11 | christianp: ah, okay |
| 07:56.08 | Update | any one knows how to figure out my cable modem mac address ? |
| 07:56.13 | nvz | JimButton: Infiltrating? I wouldnt use that word. I am just researching how to go about dealing with a local issue of police encroaching on citizens' rights and property on my block |
| 07:56.22 | dondelelcaro | Update: they almost have it printed on the serial number card |
| 07:56.24 | kevix | fisious, I think you have to re-run lilo like I said and then 'exit' and umount /tmp/root and then reboot. |
| 07:56.28 | mortalman | dondelelcaro: doleyb got it, never knew I had to do "depmod". |
| 07:56.29 | dondelelcaro | s/almost/& always/ |
| 07:56.29 | bob2 | Update: arp -a |
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| 07:56.35 | mortalman | doleyb: Thanks, fixed it. |
| 07:56.37 | JimButton | nvz: i was just trying to spread some confusion... |
| 07:56.44 | ines | amorphix, if you want to test your mouse, to make sure that by moving it, you make a cursor move on screen, try installing gpm. When installed, gives you a mouse cursor in the (Virtual) Terminal |
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| 07:56.53 | kevix | fisious, otherwise you may have to also run 'mkinitrd'. |
| 07:56.56 | doleyb | mortalman: normally, the install scripts that give you new modules will do it automatic |
| 07:57.05 | Update | its justy that the printed serial number fonts dont lets you discriminate betwen 000 and ooo ? |
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| 07:57.23 | Update | and ther are lkots of 000 or mabey ooo |
| 07:57.27 | bob2 | Update: how many hex strings ave you seen with the letter "o" in them? |
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| 07:57.48 | dondelelcaro | must be some weird form of hexadecimal that I was not previously aware of |
| 07:57.50 | Update | ive never looked at an hex string |
| 07:57.55 | christianp | fireba11, until my sectors damaged /var partition, can i replace it with a working /var ? |
| 07:58.10 | mjk64 | Update: hex strings consist of [0-9a-f] |
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| 07:58.17 | christianp | making a cut/copy from another ps? |
| 07:58.19 | christianp | pc? |
| 07:58.23 | fireba11 | christianp: sorry, can't help you there ..got no clue if that might work |
| 07:58.25 | bob2 | Update: hex = 0-F |
| 07:58.28 | Update | they dont have ooo in them ? |
| 07:58.36 | dondelelcaro | no. |
| 07:58.40 | tcsetattr | great, apt-spy chose a mirror so good that I now get 404 errors on the main Packages file. |
| 07:58.41 | christianp | fireba11, thanks anyway |
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| 07:58.47 | Update | how can you be sure ? |
| 07:58.53 | dondelelcaro | o !~ /[0-9A-F]/i |
| 07:58.59 | BiBe | hi, i'd like to install debian without cdrom drive. is that possible? i'd unpack the iso installation file. but how can i start installation? |
| 07:59.00 | Guerin | !reinstall |
| 07:59.00 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 07:59.03 | mortalman | ok, now "modprobe ndiswrapper" is saying "opperation not permitted". How is root not permitted, lol ? |
| 07:59.04 | Update | its got A and Es |
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| 07:59.12 | Guerin | christianp: you might be able to work something with that |
| 07:59.14 | bob2 | shock |
| 07:59.14 | dondelelcaro | Update: right, go troll elsewhere please. |
| 07:59.14 | jm_ | good work ;) |
| 07:59.15 | kevix | bob2, if you chroot to /dev/hda1 and rerun lilo and dont exit and unmount, will the lilo update still work. |
| 07:59.16 | JimButton | Update: if it is hex, that is for sure, like the fact that you don't have letters in decimal numbers |
| 07:59.17 | nkuttler | Update: then it's not the mac |
| 07:59.25 | bob2 | kevix: yes |
| 07:59.33 | bob2 | kevix: as long as you run sync |
| 07:59.36 | kevix | bob2, thanks. |
| 07:59.45 | liable | hmm, i guess installing a kernel-image in a chroot aint possible. |
| 07:59.50 | kevix | bob2, so would 'reboot' sync? |
| 08:00.08 | nvz | JimButton: don't make me sick officer hardass and his canine on you |
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| 08:00.25 | ines | Bibe, if you have internet working, you could use the floppy disks netinstall. |
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| 08:00.32 | Guerin | liable: sure it's possible. It's just pointless. |
| 08:00.35 | bob2 | kevix: if it goes down cleanly, yes |
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| 08:00.45 | BiBe | i'd use no floppy drive either :) |
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| 08:00.57 | JimButton | nvz: i know rex-kwan-do, be careful |
| 08:00.57 | BiBe | is it possible to start installation from hdd? |
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| 08:00.59 | christianp | Guerin, where can i find main packages (i'll try to replace them) /var/lib? |
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| 08:01.09 | liable | Guerin: i was just trying it cause i havent installed a debian one for a while, and it pukes at no /proc/fd.. |
| 08:01.09 | jm_ | BiBe: read installation manual |
| 08:01.10 | nvz | JimButton: thats a new one. |
| 08:01.23 | JimButton | nvz: have you seen napoleon dynamite? |
| 08:01.27 | ines | BiBe: ah... You can start the installation from a installed linux OS |
| 08:01.30 | Guerin | christianp: i don't know the extent of the damage, and it sound like you don't, either. Just do the whole lot, if you can. |
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| 08:01.33 | liable | err /proc/self/fd.. |
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| 08:01.42 | nvz | JimButton: I doubt it |
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| 08:01.58 | BiBe | there is a gentoo system running on another partition. can i unpack iso file and then start installation? |
| 08:02.07 | jm_ | read installation manual |
| 08:02.09 | Guerin | BiBe: no. use debootstrap for that. |
| 08:02.13 | JimButton | nvz: that is a movie, and rex-kwan-do is a pathetic form of martial arts in it... |
| 08:02.20 | nvz | hmm, debhelper does some strange things sometime |
| 08:02.27 | mortalman | Anyone know why "modprobe ndiswrapper" would say "operation not permitted" ?? |
| 08:02.32 | kevix | bob2, cool. |
| 08:02.33 | ines | BiBe: It's explained in the installation manual http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 08:02.44 | JimButton | mortalman: are you root? |
| 08:02.47 | BiBe | ok, thx. |
| 08:02.50 | mortalman | JimButton, yep |
| 08:02.57 | nvz | JimButton: might not work on the canine, but you could probably manage officer hardass |
| 08:03.18 | bob2 | mortalman: that seems to be ndiswrapper's way of saying "omg I don't know about any of this here hardware" |
| 08:03.31 | Guerin | haha |
| 08:03.33 | Guerin | classy |
| 08:03.44 | mortalman | bob2: but I havn't told it about any of the hardware. That is done later, right? |
| 08:03.50 | ines | Anyone here has vrms installed :) ? And if so, how many non-free packages does it find in your system? |
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| 08:03.57 | Guerin | has to sound authoritative; couldn't just go "WTF ... nope." |
| 08:04.09 | bob2 | mortalman: apparently not |
| 08:04.16 | bob2 | mortalman: I *think* if you update it it will work |
| 08:04.22 | bob2 | mortalman: tho I have never used it myself |
| 08:04.24 | ines | In my debian computer, It finds some 5/6 packages (the usual, Sun's Java, windows codecs, ...) |
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| 08:04.27 | kevix | fisious, this is where I got the info: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Rescue_FAQ#Q:_My_other_Linux_install_is_broken_and_I_want_to_reinstall_LILO. |
| 08:04.29 | amorphix | my mouse isnt showing up with mdetect and cat /dev/input/mice does not respond :-/ |
| 08:04.32 | mortalman | bob2: update it as in... ? |
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| 08:04.32 | Guerin | ines: i have, and it finds the odd thing, but misses more, like w32codecx. |
| 08:04.36 | amorphix | whats happened to my mouse port |
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| 08:05.01 | Guerin | amorphix: try /dev/psaux? |
| 08:05.08 | fisious | kevix thx. dammit, booting knoppix and have garble on the screen |
| 08:05.22 | nkuttler | Guerin: unofficial package, apparently marillat doesn't seperate main and non-free |
| 08:05.25 | sussudio | amorphix: you used a cat on your mouseport and you're asking where it went? |
| 08:05.29 | kevix | fisious, if the suse works, just use it. |
| 08:05.32 | amorphix | Guerin: psaux is under the control of my touchpad/keyboard pointer, these work, but my PS2 mouse wont |
| 08:05.40 | kevix | fisious, have you ever used mkinitrd ? |
| 08:05.40 | fisious | kevix that's what i will be doing |
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| 08:06.10 | bob2 | mortalman: as in get a newer version |
| 08:06.15 | Guerin | amorphix: you realise a ps/2 device needs to be plugged in at boot, right? You can't plug one in after and expect it to work properly... |
| 08:06.18 | fisious | kevix nope. i'm not good at the guts of linux. my friend usually fixes these things for me |
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| 08:06.21 | Guerin | nkuttler: right. |
| 08:06.24 | sussudio | 24799 root 20 0 16132 15m 1460 R 98.4 12.6 5:22.81 pisg |
| 08:06.26 | sussudio | ... |
| 08:06.30 | amorphix | Guerin: sure, its plugged in and i tried 2 different mice |
| 08:06.33 | doleyb | amorphix: i have that same problem, in 2.6... ps/2 mouse just does notthing |
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| 08:06.43 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 08:06.51 | Guerin | oh, actually, i had this on my toshiba |
| 08:06.51 | amorphix | my mouse was working fine until 2 days ago |
| 08:06.59 | Guerin | i ended up needing to use usb |
| 08:07.03 | amorphix | damn |
| 08:07.06 | Bhaal | Anyone in here happen to know why the imap kio was left out of the debian sid kde (v3.4.2) ?? |
| 08:07.12 | doleyb | amorphix: i need to reboot with knoppix and test if it works there, |
| 08:07.18 | Guerin | Bhaal: #debian-kde might |
| 08:07.20 | amorphix | well it wasnt "fine" the mouse would go erractic sometimes |
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| 08:07.33 | Guerin | amorphix: i saw that, too. USB is just better. |
| 08:07.36 | tcsetattr | PS/2 is so full of crap. I won't give up my serial mouse until someone offers a few hundred bucks for it :) |
| 08:07.37 | j0bezone | amorphix, mdetect doesn't detect it? |
| 08:07.38 | Bhaal | Guerin: right |
| 08:07.42 | amorphix | I could boot up xfce demo cd i guess |
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| 08:07.48 | Guerin | works fine on the desktoppen |
| 08:08.09 | amorphix | j0bezone: it shows psaux and intellimouse |
| 08:08.36 | amorphix | maybe i could buy a serial mouse then |
| 08:08.36 | j0bezone | ah, so you mean /dev/psaux and protocol=intellimouse |
| 08:08.46 | amorphix | j0bezone yes exactly |
| 08:08.54 | j0bezone | well, then configure X using that information. |
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| 08:09.00 | dark__ | hello all |
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| 08:09.02 | amorphix | j0bezone but I'm using a laptop and psaux = touchpad |
| 08:09.10 | j0bezone | ah |
| 08:09.18 | j0bezone | ok |
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| 08:09.39 | liable | amorphix: both my trackpoint and touchpad used to work on /dev/psaux |
| 08:09.39 | amorphix | i just hate using a touchpad for any length of time, it kills your wrist |
| 08:09.41 | dark__ | i recently downloaded the 2.6.13 kernel and unpacked it |
| 08:09.53 | dark__ | but it failed to complete make menuconfig |
| 08:09.58 | dark__ | i get a bunch of errors |
| 08:10.01 | Guerin | !wayc dark__ |
| 08:10.03 | amorphix | liable: mine do too, but i hate using them i prefer a mouse for more freedom of movement |
| 08:10.04 | dpkg | dark__: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 08:10.15 | dark__ | because im a noob |
| 08:10.21 | liable | hah |
| 08:10.22 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:10.34 | nkuttler | dark__: using apt-get is easier |
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| 08:10.45 | amorphix | ok sometimes linux/puters are mystery |
| 08:10.45 | Guerin | dark__: for that reason alone, you should be using debian kernels. What release of debian? |
| 08:10.47 | dark__ | the wohle point of doing what im doing is to install linux-wlan-ng drivers for my prismgt wifi card |
| 08:10.55 | dark__ | sarge |
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| 08:11.02 | j0bezone | amorphix, what happened in the meanwhile for your mouse to stop working? Did you upgrade anything? |
| 08:11.05 | amorphix | maybe my ps2 port is dead is mdetect doesnt show anything |
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| 08:11.19 | liable | amorphix: tried another mouse? |
| 08:11.34 | kevix | !mkinitrd |
| 08:11.41 | nkuttler | dark__: the prism driver is in recent 2.6 kernels afaik |
| 08:11.43 | tcsetattr | try plugging the keyboard into the PS/2 mouse port. Linux should be able to find it there (although the BIOS won't so don't try using the LILO prompt!) |
| 08:11.46 | amorphix | j0bezone: nothing, I noticed that the mouse became erractic (random pointer movement and clicks) the few days before it stopped working, thats all |
| 08:11.50 | liable | dark__: cant you just build the modules for that? |
| 08:11.57 | amorphix | I changed to a new ps2 mouse, but doesnt detect or work either |
| 08:12.02 | dark__ | im not sure |
| 08:12.13 | nkuttler | dark__: install a 2.6 image > 2.6.5 |
| 08:12.23 | amorphix | ok |
| 08:12.25 | dark__ | kk |
| 08:12.29 | greentea | hehe |
| 08:12.33 | amorphix | thats a good idea, i could test the port with PS2 keyboard eh |
| 08:12.39 | dark__ | i bought some books on linux/wireless linux |
| 08:12.44 | j0bezone | amorphix, also, maybe this will be pointless, but you can try installing "gpm" which gives a mouse cursor to the terminal, and see if your mouse works with it. It uses mdetect to detect the mouse, though :/ |
| 08:12.45 | dark__ | but doing that is not in there |
| 08:12.51 | dark__ | how would i go about doing it via apt-get |
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| 08:12.55 | StuckMojo | hi |
| 08:13.02 | amorphix | ok thanks j0bezone |
| 08:13.05 | StuckMojo | anyone got vmware 5.0 running on sid now that it's using x.org? |
| 08:13.07 | nkuttler | dark__: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6, pick one, install |
| 08:13.22 | nkuttler | dark__: go to prism54.org, get firmware, install hotplug |
| 08:13.33 | dark__ | does it configure the grub loader?: |
| 08:13.39 | mixmatch | yep |
| 08:13.41 | dark__ | damn |
| 08:13.42 | nkuttler | dark__: it should |
| 08:13.47 | dark__ | i love debian |
| 08:13.58 | StuckMojo | all kids love log |
| 08:14.05 | dark__ | what rolls down stairs |
| 08:14.09 | dark__ | alone or in pairs |
| 08:14.14 | dark__ | rolls over your neighbors dog |
| 08:14.15 | DrGamut | and over your neighbor's dog |
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| 08:14.19 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:14.23 | Guerin | !log |
| 08:14.23 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 08:14.24 | StuckMojo | it's big it's heavy its wood |
| 08:14.36 | Guerin | there's alrwady a factoid made about this :) |
| 08:14.36 | DrGamut | It's log, it's log, it's better than bad, it's good. |
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| 08:14.47 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 08:14.51 | JosephSpiros | any news on when python2.4 will be made the default version? |
| 08:14.51 | greentea | ? |
| 08:14.55 | JosephSpiros | will it be done for etch? |
| 08:14.59 | Guerin | !htfswk JosephSpiros |
| 08:15.00 | dpkg | JosephSpiros: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 08:15.08 | StuckMojo | amaze your friends with new Anatomically Correct Log! |
| 08:15.18 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: etch release will be a while away yet. |
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| 08:15.24 | JosephSpiros | dpkg: well, I figured you might :) |
| 08:15.28 | JosephSpiros | though isn't dpkg a bot? |
| 08:15.36 | Guerin | !bot |
| 08:15.36 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 08:15.46 | dark__ | brb |
| 08:15.49 | Morti | Everyone loves a log. |
| 08:16.01 | JosephSpiros | Guerin: right, just wasn't sure if it was something planned, like gcc4 or kdewhatever |
| 08:16.10 | j0bezone | what's with this log humour? :) |
| 08:16.16 | tcsetattr | do not taunt happy fun bot. |
| 08:16.18 | Guerin | Retrieving bug reports... 35% [152/424] |
| 08:16.23 | StuckMojo | j0bezone from Ren & Stimpy |
| 08:16.23 | Guerin | (yikes) |
| 08:16.34 | fireba11 | Guerin: ouch .. for what package ? |
| 08:16.42 | Guerin | fireba11: 3 hundred and some of them |
| 08:16.43 | liable | hehe |
| 08:16.49 | Guerin | fireba11: including kde |
| 08:16.53 | j0bezone | ahhh, I remember something like that. |
| 08:16.57 | tcsetattr | I have a "Badly-formed dpkg-status entry". how'd that happen... |
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| 08:17.20 | Guerin | hrm |
| 08:17.39 | Guerin | has anyone thought that apt-listbugs should run BEFORE downloading all the packages? |
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| 08:17.51 | nkuttler | Guerin: yes |
| 08:18.01 | Guerin | since, after they're downloaded, you sort of want to install them anyway, since you already downloaded them all |
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| 08:18.25 | Guerin | there's a theory i'm trying to get at, the name of which escapes me, but it's the "good money after bad" one |
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| 08:18.30 | mjk64 | Guerin: apt-listbugs ... sounds good, thx for the hint |
| 08:18.36 | nvz | didn't seem like Ren & Stimpy lasted very long.. I mean there were recorded versions, games, clothing..etc but didnt seem like it really was around very long. |
| 08:18.50 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you'd think the dry run would do that too |
| 08:18.56 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:19.11 | tcsetattr | I've got a package installed with no "Section" header |
| 08:19.12 | nvz | I mean video games not like Milton Bradley presents "Don't Wizz on The Electric Fence" |
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| 08:19.46 | kevix | mjk64, apt-listbugs has a companion: apt-listchanges！ |
| 08:19.52 | j0bezone | Yeah, one of the main creators go sacked (or quit) and aparently most of all the episodes where censored and light versions of he wanted to make of them. We can only wonder... |
| 08:20.01 | j0bezone | go=got |
| 08:20.11 | Guerin | nvz: there's a fun game about the RED Button which can easily be played as a drinking game |
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| 08:21.12 | mjk64 | kevix: thx! |
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| 08:21.32 | nvz | Guerin: hmm. I don't remember much about the red button other than they sat there not pushing it forever driving themselves nuts |
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| 08:21.36 | j0bezone | He later created a web company called Spumco which had flash comics on the web. This was years ago, so I don't know it they're still around. |
| 08:21.38 | Guerin | nvz: the rules are simple: there's a RED button. Could be anything. Players WANT to push the RED button. If they manage to push it successfully, they win $prize. The catch is that nobody else is allowed to observe you pushing the RED button - if anyone does, you lose. |
| 08:21.58 | doleyb | nvz: no, they pushed it after just 2 minutes, and it exploded them all |
| 08:22.05 | j0bezone | nvz, yeah! that episode was funny as hell! It's one of my favourites |
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| 08:22.10 | doleyb | nvz: the episode was called "space madness" |
| 08:22.11 | fisious | kevix okay. i'm back in |
| 08:22.19 | fisious | kevix using a live cd |
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| 08:22.29 | amorphix | well my keyboard works in ps2 port, so the port must be ok |
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| 08:22.31 | kevix | fisious, so what did you do? |
| 08:22.38 | fisious | it's still broken |
| 08:22.58 | tcsetattr | amorphix, did the BIOS complain about no keyboard being present? |
| 08:23.02 | fisious | kevix vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 08:23.04 | nvz | doleyb: the one where Ren had his creamy ice cream bar and threatened Stimpy with a toothbrush? |
| 08:23.20 | fisious | kevix oh |
| 08:23.28 | amorphix | tcsetattr: i didnt even reboot..i just shutdown X and plugged in kb and was able to type at the shell |
| 08:23.38 | kevix | fisious, you updated a symbolic link to the one mentioned in /etc/lilo.conf . |
| 08:23.41 | fisious | kevix which one does lilo look at. ? |
| 08:23.44 | nvz | j0bezone: the hairballs one was probably my favorite. |
| 08:23.47 | tcsetattr | heh. That's cool. I wouldn't have expected that to work. |
| 08:23.51 | amorphix | :-) |
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| 08:24.02 | fisious | kevix the installer said it was going to do the sym link |
| 08:24.09 | amorphix | pity my mouse doesnt do the same |
| 08:24.11 | amorphix | heh |
| 08:24.14 | liable | amorphix: you could type through the mouse port? |
| 08:24.27 | kevix | fisious, It may be a bug that it wasn't updated. |
| 08:24.28 | amorphix | liable: yeah my laptop uses one ps2 port for both kb and mouse |
| 08:24.40 | liable | ahh |
| 08:24.40 | j0bezone | nvz: how is that one? I can't remember it, long time ago I saw an episode. |
| 08:24.46 | fisious | kevix in Lilo there are 2 sections headed by default=Linux |
| 08:25.05 | kevix | fisious, huh? |
| 08:25.14 | fisious | kevix old linux has /initrd.img but label=Linux does not |
| 08:25.15 | tcsetattr | liable, even on a "normal" PC with 2 PS/2 ports, the kernel doesn't care which one you plug the keyboard into. It'll work either way. Unfortunately, BIOS doesn't like the keyboard being on the "mouse" port. |
| 08:25.19 | amorphix | its totally bizarre how the mouse tho seems to be locked out now |
| 08:25.24 | kevix | fisious, you know how to use '#flood'? |
| 08:25.32 | fisious | no |
| 08:25.38 | j0bezone | amorphix, and other ps/2 mouses you may have? It could be the mouse cable. |
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| 08:25.42 | amorphix | maybe i didnt test it right at the shell? |
| 08:25.43 | tcsetattr | liable, assuming 2.6 kernel with CONFIG_INPUT of course |
| 08:25.47 | lordknow1 | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 08:25.48 | liable | tcsetattr: hmm, interesting. |
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| 08:25.59 | nvz | j0bezone: there was some thing on tv that hairballs were a being used for all kinds of things, heat sheilds..etc and they were now more valuable than gold.. and ren made stimpy start going into hairball production to make him money, and he wore out his hairball gland.. they had to do an exploratory |
| 08:26.05 | doleyb | it is ok to swap ps/2 keyboards without rebooting right? |
| 08:26.11 | lordknow1 | will apt-get that kernel have prism drivers? |
| 08:26.13 | amorphix | j0bezone: well I tried two different mice, neither work, but both work on a different sys |
| 08:26.13 | kevix | fisious, do '/join #flood' in irc. in that channel you can 'paste' the output. |
| 08:26.14 | lordknow1 | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 08:26.17 | bob2 | doleyb: not in general |
| 08:26.24 | j0bezone | nvz, ahah, I remember now! ahahahah |
| 08:26.39 | nkuttler | lordknow1: it should, go to prism54.org to get the firmware |
| 08:26.43 | tcsetattr | officially the hardware spec says PS/2 isn't hot-pluggable... but I say if they ddin't want me hot-plugging it they shouldn't have put the connector where I can get to it without a screwdriver. |
| 08:26.46 | lordknow1 | cool thanx |
| 08:27.03 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure I nuked a ps/2 mouse port by hot plugging |
| 08:27.11 | amorphix | really? |
| 08:27.13 | amorphix | phew |
| 08:27.20 | amorphix | better not do that again then |
| 08:27.20 | Guerin | nvz: yeah, i've never been able to get it working |
| 08:27.20 | doleyb | bob2: right, but keyboards don't nuke like mice? |
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| 08:27.26 | sn00p | Does anybody know why my monitor isn't fully used in X, I have a nvidia geforce2 Ti graphics card? |
| 08:27.43 | bob2 | doleyb: I don't know |
| 08:27.44 | nvz | Guerin: get what working? |
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| 08:27.55 | amorphix | my computer makes funny noises |
| 08:28.05 | kevix | lordknow1, not sure but have you used 'module-assistant' it may be verrry helpful. |
| 08:28.05 | j0bezone | amorphix, that is weird! I've just looked at my /etc/modules and I have two modules there called "mousedev" and "psmouse". I'm in a laptotp but don't use an external mouse, but you could check if you have them in your modules file, and if not, try adding them there. |
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| 08:28.23 | Guerin | nvz: ps/2 hotpluggery |
| 08:28.30 | amorphix | j0bezone: ok i will check mine |
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| 08:29.09 | j0bezone | amorphix, and you probably have to reboot (?) after. |
| 08:29.12 | amorphix | my laptop makes a faint "beep" like noise at intervals of like every second |
| 08:29.17 | nvz | Guerin: you cant hotplug ps/2 its not designed to be hotpluggable. |
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| 08:29.40 | liable | amorphix: check your logs. xfree, syslog, messages.. |
| 08:29.42 | j0bezone | men, ren & stimpy was the best |
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| 08:29.45 | nvz | Guerin: if there was a device inialized when the pc booted its possible, but not recommended as it can damage the hardware |
| 08:29.47 | asmodaiii | hi folks |
| 08:29.48 | amorphix | and also, when its running a program or carrying out some function, it makes a variety of noises, like u can hear 'the process' working |
| 08:29.52 | jm_ | sn00p: you could always generate a custom modeline |
| 08:29.53 | amorphix | very strange |
| 08:30.00 | kevix | amorphix, is that a low battery thing? |
| 08:30.02 | Guerin | nvz: I KNOW THIS |
| 08:30.11 | SteveLab | amorphix, it's the pule, better hope it doesn't stop |
| 08:30.13 | amorphix | no, even when plugged into mains it does it |
| 08:30.19 | SteveLab | amorphix, *pulse |
| 08:30.24 | amorphix | SteveLab: phew |
| 08:30.25 | sn00p | jm_: what is that and how? |
| 08:30.33 | amorphix | SteveLab: is it a bad sign? |
| 08:30.44 | nvz | Guerin: are you trying to prove a point here? |
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| 08:30.48 | Guerin | nvz: some people report it working, and like tcsetattr says, if it wasn't supposed to be, it shouldn't be. |
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| 08:30.57 | nvz | ah |
| 08:30.57 | jm_ | sn00p: /msg dpkg modeline |
| 08:31.08 | kevix | amorphix, are you a secret agent? if so, throw lappy out the window! |
| 08:31.12 | SteveLab | amorphix, only if it stops...... actually no idea :} |
| 08:31.13 | amorphix | haha |
| 08:31.19 | lordknow1 | whats a good webbrowser thats not resource intensive |
| 08:31.21 | Guerin | nvz: only that I told amorphix about an hour ago those exact facts. |
| 08:31.21 | lordknow1 | and not lynx |
| 08:31.22 | lordknow1 | :P |
| 08:31.29 | HaNazir | anyone here use debian only text bases? |
| 08:31.32 | lordknow1 | mozilla firefox is being the sux |
| 08:31.34 | nvz | Guerin: I am still soaking up the Fighting Police Abuse: A community Action Manual. barely paying attention. |
| 08:31.39 | nvz | Guerin: to #debian that is. |
| 08:31.42 | kevix | lordknow1, dillo and links2 |
| 08:31.48 | lordknow1 | cool ty |
| 08:32.01 | kevix | lordknow1, and the 'now free' non-free opera. |
| 08:32.03 | fireba11 | HaNazir: ? |
| 08:32.07 | fisious | kevix it is booting |
| 08:32.15 | lordknow1 | ill look into all of them |
| 08:32.16 | lordknow1 | thanx |
| 08:32.41 | HaNazir | fireba11: i want to switch to not using X and am looking for such users |
| 08:32.45 | kevix | fisious, well you fixed it! cool. |
| 08:32.55 | liable | HaNazir: theres lots, just ask.. |
| 08:32.58 | SteveLab | amorphix: commin from the speaker? recall havin a weird prob like that awhile back, wound up bein a bad sound driver |
| 08:33.04 | fisious | kevix thx to you. the mounting business i've never had to do |
| 08:33.05 | sn00p | jm_: what will that do? |
| 08:33.22 | fisious | kevix when it's up i'll tell you the line that was missing in lilo |
| 08:33.23 | jm_ | sn00p: do you know what /msg does? |
| 08:33.30 | fireba11 | HaNazir: about everyone here got at least one PC without X |
| 08:33.35 | sn00p | yes |
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| 08:33.36 | sn00p | why |
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| 08:33.46 | kevix | fisious, this technique is very useful for data recovery and fixing things. |
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| 08:33.58 | j0bezone | HaNazir, unix and debian has a lot of terminal tools, for browing the web, p2p, irc, playing music, file manager, etc. |
| 08:33.59 | HaNazir | fireba11: which they use as a desktop? |
| 08:34.04 | jm_ | so why are you asking me what it does then? |
| 08:34.14 | fisious | yeah i've seen it done before, over someones shoulder |
| 08:34.18 | fireba11 | HaNazir: none .. only shell |
| 08:34.25 | HaNazir | j0bezone: i can play ogg and mp3 from terminal without x? |
| 08:34.31 | liable | HaNazir: just do it! (tm) |
| 08:34.34 | liable | HaNazir: yes |
| 08:34.42 | tcsetattr | why would sound files need X? what an odd question. |
| 08:34.52 | Morti | HaNazir: apt-get install mp3blaster |
| 08:34.53 | Morti | ;) |
| 08:34.53 | j0bezone | mp3 at least, using mpg123, or mp3blaster, or some other program. |
| 08:35.02 | liable | tcsetattr: how do you click on the right song! :P |
| 08:35.03 | j0bezone | mp3blaster is good. |
| 08:35.10 | HaNazir | cool |
| 08:35.15 | liable | cplay! |
| 08:35.18 | hile | mpc/mpd is nice as well when you set it up properly |
| 08:35.30 | doleyb | HaNazir: i use mpg123 or ogg123, you probably have one of those already |
| 08:35.32 | nvz | Guerin: going to go try and seize the official policies and whatever else I can gather tomorrow. hopefully this wont be a problem. Then figure out a time when I can meet with the Chief. Figure out which side of this issue he wants to be on. personally I don't care, it would be in his best interest to come quietly to my side because if not his ass is mine. I got the last Chief Of Polices' badges sitting right here using them for paper weights |
| 08:35.37 | hile | you can control mpd with gui clients as well |
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| 08:35.44 | HaNazir | so the onyl thing that i will miss out on is movies? |
| 08:35.46 | j0bezone | bitchx is a good irc client. Links, w3m or lynx (my order or preference) are text web-browsers. |
| 08:35.50 | kevix | HaNazir, many unix folks learn to use console tools and then use then with 'screen' for remote adminisistration. |
| 08:36.08 | j0bezone | mc is a file manager. |
| 08:36.11 | HaNazir | what is w3m? |
| 08:36.15 | j0bezone | nano a text editor. |
| 08:36.15 | asmodaiii | links2 -g is excellent |
| 08:36.17 | doleyb | HaNazir: you can view movies on console with mplayer -vo aa filename.avi |
| 08:36.33 | tcsetattr | mplayer -vo fbdev would be better (though I haven't got that to work yet) |
| 08:36.35 | asmodaiii | elinks got tab v(^o^)v |
| 08:36.41 | j0bezone | w3m is a webbrowser. |
| 08:36.42 | kevix | doleyb, I use fbxine. |
| 08:36.45 | HaNazir | doleyb: yeah but that starts x, no? |
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| 08:36.59 | Guerin | nvz: wtf |
| 08:37.00 | hile | but I suggest that for serious playing you'll check mpd, http://www.musicpd.org/ |
| 08:37.01 | doleyb | no it doesn't, it is in the text console |
| 08:37.01 | asmodaiii | doleyb `mplayer -vo caca` provide you colors |
| 08:37.16 | asmodaiii | yes |
| 08:37.17 | hile | and set up mpd to work as a system service, running as user mpd:audio |
| 08:37.18 | Guerin | nvz: step away from the crack pipe |
| 08:37.19 | kevix | HaNazir, 'aa' uses the ascii-art output filter |
| 08:37.21 | HaNazir | which browsers support ssl such as gmail? |
| 08:37.23 | nvz | Guerin: hard to follow issues you arent paying any attention from eh :P |
| 08:37.28 | nvz | s/from/to/ |
| 08:38.34 | Guerin | mplayer -vo vesa |
| 08:38.43 | Guerin | or -vo fbdev also work on the console |
| 08:39.01 | Guerin | properly, not with stupid aalib |
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| 08:39.15 | doleyb | fb != console |
| 08:39.31 | Guerin | doleyb: naturally. |
| 08:39.35 | tcsetattr | -vo fbdev just tells me FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver.t |
| 08:39.49 | ekix | hi guys |
| 08:39.55 | ekix | is non-us removed from sid? |
| 08:40.01 | Guerin | but if you don't have a vesa-compatible video device, you have bigger issues than playing video |
| 08:40.03 | j0bezone | HaNazir, I don't know, but there may be special versions of one of these browsers which support that. Search for "links + ssl" "lynx+ssl" "w3m+ssl" and such in google. |
| 08:40.10 | kevix | ekix, there is no more non-free |
| 08:40.13 | Guerin | tcsetattr: you do need a framebuffer console, i think |
| 08:40.20 | HaNazir | ok i missed it |
| 08:40.23 | kevix | ekix, opps, I mean non-us. |
| 08:40.25 | Guerin | kevix: are you on crack? |
| 08:40.27 | ekix | kevix, ok, thanks :) |
| 08:40.27 | tcsetattr | Guerin, I'm on fbcon (I can't figure out how to get vgacon on powerpc...) |
| 08:40.32 | liable | !topicsmite ekix |
| 08:40.33 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ekix. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:40.33 | HaNazir | at work, had to take a call |
| 08:40.39 | Guerin | tcsetattr: oh, i know nothing about ppc |
| 08:40.41 | tcsetattr | w3m-ssl and lynx-ssl used to be separate packages, but they aren't anymore thanks to the disappearance of non-US |
| 08:40.41 | HaNazir | movies will work in console without X? |
| 08:40.42 | kevix | Guerin, why do you ask? |
| 08:40.52 | Guerin | kevix: non-free |
| 08:40.59 | HaNazir | meaning no xserver even installed? |
| 08:40.59 | Guerin | etc. |
| 08:41.02 | tcsetattr | Guerin, I don't either, that's what makes it so fun! |
| 08:41.04 | nvz | oh well I think I may get another hour or two of sleep not much else I can do this early in the morning. |
| 08:41.07 | Guerin | tcsetattr: heh |
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| 08:41.16 | doleyb | HaNazir: if you have an fbdev console, you can run some movies there. Or you can even use aalib to display movies with letters. |
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| 08:41.35 | HaNazir | doleyb: lol u serious? |
| 08:41.47 | HaNazir | doleyb: instead of pixels, letters? |
| 08:41.53 | kevix | Guerin, fingers not always connected to brain. s/non-free/non-us/ |
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| 08:42.05 | tcsetattr | HaNazir, yes, there are ways of using graphics without X! and aalib is mostly a joke, but it actually does work. |
| 08:42.18 | StuckMojo | HaNazir it actually looks pretty good on a big screen |
| 08:42.22 | HaNazir | lol. seems much more fun |
| 08:42.22 | doleyb | it is awesome fun to watch a dvd in ascii |
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| 08:42.46 | HaNazir | doleyb: so what do i need for that? |
| 08:42.46 | j0bezone | Or play quake in ascii |
| 08:42.46 | tcsetattr | on a wyse terminal! |
| 08:42.54 | liable | i wonder if that was inspired from xfiles.. |
| 08:42.56 | StuckMojo | HaNazir hang on for a screenshot |
| 08:43.03 | kevix | tcsetattr, but to 'see' in aa, you need to squink a bit to get the effect. |
| 08:43.06 | HaNazir | StuckMojo: k |
| 08:43.16 | HaNazir | lol |
| 08:43.19 | doleyb | HaNazir: install mplayer the usual way (with marillat / nerim), and then just add -vo caca to the command |
| 08:43.21 | StuckMojo | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/images/shot-aa-02.png |
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| 08:43.30 | StuckMojo | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/images/shot-aa-03.png |
| 08:43.33 | sn00p | jm_: figured it out |
| 08:43.54 | doleyb | Since my xterm is 370x170 characters, its... just like watching any other video really |
| 08:43.58 | HaNazir | wow |
| 08:44.01 | HaNazir | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.10 | HaNazir | and it actually works fast, no lagging? |
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| 08:44.35 | doleyb | it lags if i do it in colors, but monochrome is ok. of course, all this is just a joke, making the CPU do extra work for no good reason. |
| 08:44.44 | tcsetattr | and for viewing JPEGs and PNGs without X, you have zgv or fbi |
| 08:44.57 | jm_ | sn00p: good |
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| 08:45.13 | HaNazir | tcsetattr: how does it show them? same way? |
| 08:45.18 | StuckMojo | HaNazir yeah, pretty good. it even looks half decent on a big monitor from a few feet back |
| 08:45.28 | m4c | hi, is it possible to do a passphrase authentification with ssh1 and ssh2 in the same time ? |
| 08:45.34 | HaNazir | how do u get it in color? |
| 08:45.34 | Morti | Or just have a decent framebuffer to do video with. |
| 08:45.56 | StuckMojo | HaNazir i think there's an aalib with color support |
| 08:46.01 | Morti | SDL is nice also. |
| 08:46.05 | StuckMojo | but i dont remember for sure |
| 08:46.07 | tcsetattr | HaNazir, zgv has a little "file selector" screen where it lists the directory (optionally with thumbnails) and you pick a file and it just shows the image, full screen with scrolling by arrow keys or centered if it's smaller than the screen size... fbi is a bit more primitive |
| 08:46.07 | HaNazir | SDL? |
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| 08:46.15 | StuckMojo | HaNazir apt-cache search aalib |
| 08:46.18 | j0bezone | HaNazir: no, you can view images just like in X. |
| 08:46.19 | doleyb | HaNazir: there are 3 ways to get pictures: aalib, which is drawing them with ascii letters, X which is X, and fb/svgalib which is pixels overdrawing the text console area. |
| 08:46.39 | doleyb | aalib is mostly just used for jokes, fb is mostly used for people who can't get X, which is nobody. |
| 08:46.41 | HaNazir | tcsetattr: i mean does it show pixels? |
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| 08:46.50 | j0bezone | yes |
| 08:47.02 | doleyb | HaNazir: if you have an fbdev console. Is there a penguin sitting in the upper corner? Then you have fbdev. |
| 08:47.15 | j0bezone | There is a links version which uses something like this to show images of webpages. |
| 08:47.24 | Morti | HaNazir: Simple Directmedia Layer. It's an output module with mplayer that does decent fast video and doesn't require X. |
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| 08:47.55 | HaNazir | lol funny |
| 08:47.56 | StuckMojo | HaNazir here's a shot on a framebuffer console (mplayer): http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/images/shot-cvidix-02.jpg |
| 08:47.58 | fireba11 | some people hat too much spare time ... |
| 08:48.27 | fireba11 | s/hat/have |
| 08:48.30 | StuckMojo | and here's a color aalib: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/images/shot26.jpg |
| 08:48.31 | HaNazir | i wanted to setup terminals with just console for a school, so that they wouldnt get porn, as its been a problem for the admin, well this wont work, they'll get it in letters |
| 08:48.38 | StuckMojo | well, maybe not aalib, but color text mode |
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| 08:49.02 | tcsetattr | HaNazir, as long as they're set to 80x25, the picture quality will suck :) |
| 08:49.04 | Morti | HaNazir: Probably not a great idea. |
| 08:49.19 | fisious_ | kevix i was missing initrd=/initrd.img |
| 08:49.25 | fireba11 | the whole thign is pretty much insane though |
| 08:49.40 | kevix | fisious, all debian kernels have initrd. |
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| 08:49.51 | tcsetattr | HaNazir, as long as they don't have permissions to /dev/fb*, they can't use fbdev-based viewers. And as long as they aren't root, they can't use svgalib. |
| 08:49.55 | HaNazir | Morti: any better ideas? |
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| 08:50.05 | fisious_ | kevix but the update had move my current to old and didn't have that line |
| 08:50.15 | HaNazir | tcsetattr: thats good |
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| 08:50.35 | Vince34 | hi all , i'm looking for some appli to compare 2 files , any sweet ideas ? |
| 08:50.37 | kevix | fisious, you may want to check if that packages has a bug, if not, then report it! |
| 08:50.43 | tcsetattr | HaNazir, but do consider the existence of alt.sex.stories before you decide that text and porn are mutually exclusive. |
| 08:50.56 | HaNazir | lol |
| 08:50.58 | HaNazir | yeah |
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| 08:51.04 | kevix | Vince34, diff ? |
| 08:51.13 | HaNazir | its all about choosing the lesser of the two evils i guess |
| 08:51.18 | Vince34 | pffff diff is not easy to understand |
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| 08:51.48 | mjk64 | Vince34: xxdiff makes it easy |
| 08:51.51 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.53 | tcsetattr | diff -u, of course |
| 08:52.01 | tcsetattr | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:52.07 | sn00p | its blank |
| 08:52.14 | Vince34 | ah , thx |
| 08:52.16 | liable | oh no's |
| 08:52.23 | onin | why is it my xmms wasnt able to play my mp3? |
| 08:52.31 | sn00p | why is source.list blank? |
| 08:52.32 | nvz | ever since I reinstalled sarge on this system I have had much better video playback. not sure what happened though. before I couldnt get over like 540x360 or so without the video dissapearing completly. now I can do fullscreen 1024x768 with no problem. |
| 08:52.42 | liable | sn00p: apt-setup, and how did you 'blank' it? |
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| 08:52.57 | sn00p | lliable: i never even touched i |
| 08:52.57 | buzz_ | anybody ever installed debian on an ls20 blade with an LSI scsi controler |
| 08:52.58 | buzz_ | ? |
| 08:53.02 | kevix | HaNazir, some problems are not solved best solved by technical means. |
| 08:53.09 | nvz | also at times I will see just like green diagonal lines now and other times it will play without incident |
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| 08:54.04 | HaNazir | kevix: yeah true.maybe i should just install a projecting camera, which projects random user screens during their sessions, on to the wall |
| 08:54.14 | sn00p | liable: I just upgraded a kernel could that be? |
| 08:54.15 | kevix | HaNazir, debian has some tools like dans-guardian and chastity-list |
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| 08:54.32 | liable | sn00p: not likely.. |
| 08:54.40 | liable | sn00p: run apt-setup. |
| 08:54.45 | nvz | if I go fullscreen and back to window mode it acts normal. but more often than not, starting xine and playing a file gives me that diagonal lines and mostly all green no picture. its strange |
| 08:54.51 | HaNazir | kevix i cant get dansguardian to work, and what is chastity-list? |
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| 08:55.15 | doleyb | chasititylist is just a blocker to stop some known-sexy webpages from coming up |
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| 08:55.25 | liable | HaNazir: if they cant install a movie player, then they cant watch porn.. |
| 08:55.27 | sn00p | liable: i am its d/l'ing a 3mb file |
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| 08:55.48 | liable | sn00p: wtf? |
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| 08:56.16 | sn00p | liable: that what is says |
| 08:56.17 | HaNazir | doleyb: good? |
| 08:56.20 | nvz | liable: you are nieve if you think porn comes in only one form |
| 08:56.22 | kevix | HaNazir, there is software that may be in debian in the future (it has an ITP). check out ITALC. |
| 08:56.27 | HaNazir | liable: point |
| 08:56.41 | Firefishe | just installed 3.1 and need the command for configuring the network |
| 08:56.47 | nvz | you could be using java, flash, or just a plain web browser to view porn I am sure |
| 08:56.59 | sn00p | Testing apt sources... |
| 08:56.59 | sn00p | Get:1 ftp://ftp.debian.org stable/main Packages [3347kB] |
| 08:56.59 | sn00p | 18% [1 Packages 606712/3347kB 18%] 3565B/s 12m48sl |
| 08:57.16 | j0bezone | nvz: I have that dialog lines problem, I think. It only happens sometimes, and part of video window becomes weird. |
| 08:57.18 | litage | i've setup dnscache on boxA to allow queries from boxB, and put "nameserver boxA" in boxB's resolv.conf. however, boxB can't resolve names. what am i doing wrong? |
| 08:57.19 | sn00p | liable: see that |
| 08:57.23 | kevix | liable, but do you think that for an educational situation, they will never need to watch movie file? |
| 08:57.33 | j0bezone | dialog=diagonal |
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| 08:57.48 | nvz | j0bezone: happens to be nearly every time I start xine and doesnt go away until I go fullscreen it seems |
| 08:57.50 | liable | nvz: i am far from nieve, but movies is by far the prefered method of watching porn... |
| 08:57.51 | jm_ | litage: put it as an IP I hope |
| 08:58.01 | liable | sn00p: thats fine. |
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| 08:59.00 | nvz | j0bezone: does seem like a decoding problem though. I wrote a Bitmap decoder and viewer once and come to realize there are many different header formats..etc and reading the data improperly caused similar effects with displaying images |
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| 08:59.11 | HaNazir | liable: true, but some people, when they catn get that, they will try anything.u ban porn mags, they'll start buying underwear magazines. |
| 08:59.22 | liable | kevix: then, put it on a projector, or whatever, i dunno how classrooms interact with computers these days. |
| 08:59.42 | Firefishe | Hi all. I'm new to debian. Is this channel for assistance for newbies or is there another specific one? |
| 08:59.46 | j0bezone | nvz: ahh... I'll have to see if it only happens with some codecs |
| 08:59.46 | liable | HaNazir: kids will be kids... |
| 08:59.59 | nvz | liable: oh and its so hard for me to write a script to dump the frames and separate the audio and turn it into a flip book with an mp3 and see it without a video player :P |
| 09:00.01 | liable | HaNazir: puberty is a funny thing... |
| 09:00.05 | HaNazir | kevix: truth is if u tell them all their activity is being recorder, that is pretty freaky |
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| 09:00.11 | fireba11 | Firefishe: you risk to be told rtfm though ;-) |
| 09:00.30 | liable | nvz: indeed i am sure your average horny school kid can do that in linux... |
| 09:00.31 | litage | jm_: i tried that, but boxB still can't resolve names |
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| 09:00.52 | HaNazir | lol |
| 09:01.01 | HaNazir | liable: lol |
| 09:01.11 | jm_ | litage: then perhaps name server on A refuses connections, I use dnsmasq, it just works |
| 09:01.11 | kevix | HaNazir, one way to stop some of this is to put the screens facing the direction of a teacher so that you can view them. |
| 09:01.25 | HaNazir | liable: headline "teenagers become linux experts in order to bypass content filtering in schools" |
| 09:01.30 | Firefishe | fireba11: ;-) indeed, but I've already *looked for the 'fm' and haven't been able to find it, either in the man pages or info system. I just installed Sarge and I need to know how to configure the network. Ethernet isn't even being sensed |
| 09:01.32 | liable | hah |
| 09:01.45 | nvz | j0bezone: its been a long time since I've done any such coding so I dont remember the details of the problems I encountered or how I resolved them. I just remember writing some sort of function to determine the type of header and adjust the decoder accordingly |
| 09:01.47 | Firefishe | fireba11: I |
| 09:01.50 | Firefishe | sheesh |
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| 09:01.54 | Firefishe | fireba11: I |
| 09:01.59 | Firefishe | blasted fingers |
| 09:02.00 | fireba11 | Firefishe: that's unusual .. what NIC you got ? |
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| 09:02.12 | kevix | HaNazir, ITALC allows the teacher to view what is on the students screen, remotely. |
| 09:02.21 | HaNazir | kevix: yeah, well lit rooms, with a supervisor, why not |
| 09:02.27 | dimir | Morning. |
| 09:03.05 | litage | jm_: ah, it turns out it was a firewall issue :) |
| 09:03.07 | HaNazir | anyone here use dansguardian? |
| 09:03.08 | lordknow1 | i downloaded the arm firmware file from prism54 |
| 09:03.12 | kevix | dimir, depends on your timezone! |
| 09:03.12 | Firefishe | fireba11: It's a common enough one in my compaq presario 2100 lappie, but it isn't that...I didn't have the 'puter hooked up to the network when I installed. |
| 09:03.14 | lordknow1 | but i cant find out what to do with it |
| 09:03.26 | nvz | liable: well I was into stuff like that when I was younger. I have lost interest largely after pretty much seeing all there is to see. I was only 12 when I ran a revolutionary porn site, where not only did the visitors provide the content but with help of an intuitive form also maintained it. |
| 09:03.28 | liable | lordknow1: read a ndiswrapper howto.. |
| 09:03.37 | Firefishe | fireba11: so I don't know if dhcp didn't get installed or what |
| 09:03.50 | fireba11 | Firefishe: the do a reconfigure :-) |
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| 09:04.11 | Firefishe | fireba11: okay, how? is there a configurator of some type? I'm lost |
| 09:04.16 | aLTer | ppl, what is difference between bash v2.x and v3.x? |
| 09:04.23 | liable | nvz: exception rather than the rule i would imagine.. but, good on ya, bet all the kids liked you :) |
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| 09:04.40 | nvz | after seeing what I thought to be the worlds hugest boobs, girls sitting on large construction cones, chinese women shitting on each other..etc I sort of lost interest |
| 09:04.42 | fireba11 | Firefishe: you can just restart the configurator from install .. dunno the command though .. anyone ? |
| 09:05.13 | liable | kids will be kids, its all natural part of growing up.. |
| 09:05.30 | sn00p | which is the source list for the none free packages? |
| 09:05.46 | litage | how do you tell your dnscache server about your tinydns server? |
| 09:05.46 | nvz | liable: I doubt it. I was smart enough to remain anonymous. thats why I made it self suffecient so I wasnt connected to it all the time with my IP address updating it |
| 09:05.47 | liable | sn00p: apt-get install apt-howto-en |
| 09:05.47 | tcsetattr | add "non-free" after the word "main" |
| 09:06.07 | HaNazir | nvz: man |
| 09:06.15 | sn00p | k |
| 09:06.17 | fireba11 | can someone tell Firefishethe command to restart the network part of the installer ? can't remember it |
| 09:06.21 | nvz | HaNazir: What manual page do you want? |
| 09:06.36 | liable | nvz: well, kudo's. but i doubt the average kid can do that sort of shit.. |
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| 09:07.05 | HaNazir | nvz: lol. well i hope u can still date chicks without thinking of cones. |
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| 09:07.14 | j0bezone | fireba11, base-config? |
| 09:07.20 | liable | man-o-war! |
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| 09:07.33 | fireba11 | j0bezone: not sure that's why i'm asking :-) |
| 09:08.02 | Firefishe | I'll try that...brb |
| 09:08.04 | liable | sn00p: also debian-reference-en |
| 09:08.10 | kevix | fireba11, /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 09:08.17 | Firefishe | kevix, I've tried that |
| 09:08.22 | fireba11 | kev lol .. not that :-) |
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| 09:09.07 | kevix | Firefishe, what do you mean the 'network part of the installer'? while you are running the installer? |
| 09:09.09 | Firefishe | fireba11: I did try /etc/init.d/networking restart, restart eth0 up, and a host of other. |
| 09:09.19 | fireba11 | Firefishe: that won't work |
| 09:09.24 | Firefishe | kevix, no. |
| 09:09.29 | DotHack | there's something wrong with the tulip driver |
| 09:09.41 | asmodaiii | DotHack: what happened? |
| 09:09.45 | liable | DotHack: file a bug. |
| 09:09.48 | fireba11 | kevix no... restart the installer for settign up network manually .. can#t remember the command |
| 09:09.57 | lordknow1 | how do i configure my kernel if i install it via apt-get ? |
| 09:09.58 | DotHack | liable, where? |
| 09:10.00 | Firefishe | while I'm in debian, itself. I didn't set up my network during the install so I need to know how to do it while logged in |
| 09:10.10 | liable | !tell DotHack about bts |
| 09:10.21 | liable | !tell DotHack about reportbug |
| 09:10.33 | kevix | fireba11, network setup: manuall--use vi, other wise install etherconf. |
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| 09:10.39 | DotHack | asmodaiii, I have a davicom card and discover find the dfme and tulip and if they both get loaded my nw stops functioning |
| 09:10.47 | yacoob | eh. |
| 09:11.01 | Firefishe | okay..that gives me something to go on..I'll brb |
| 09:11.01 | j0bezone | Firefishe, have you tried Gnome's network-admin? |
| 09:11.01 | yacoob | does any netinst iso have iptables at ready? |
| 09:11.17 | nvz | HaNazir: never really crossed my mind. I soon got deeper into the stuff. examining it at a lower level, learning about things like seganography. probably wrote the first "jpeg virus" a decade before that b.s. ever hit the news. then quickly moved to and fixated on the cultural aspects analyzing the weirdos that revolved around transporting the shit back and fort all day long, and the ways and means of doing so |
| 09:11.27 | kevix | DotHack, would blacklisting one of them help? |
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| 09:11.41 | nvz | HaNazir: still amazes me to this day the ideas people come up with. its ever changing. |
| 09:11.41 | asmodaiii | DotHack: uninstall one of them... |
| 09:11.55 | liable | yacoob: yes |
| 09:12.00 | mernil | Greetings and salutations fellow friends of free and open software |
| 09:12.04 | liable | yacoob: its part of base. |
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| 09:12.19 | HaNazir | nvz: u need to write a book man. seriously. |
| 09:12.23 | DotHack | yeah blacklisting of tulip helps but its not nice |
| 09:12.37 | yacoob | liable: guess I'm missing a module, or something. Sigh... |
| 09:12.42 | HaNazir | nvz: all i know is that cos of porn we're getting faster and faster broadband |
| 09:12.52 | kevix | mernil, have you been in a sauna today! |
| 09:12.53 | DotHack | unexperienced users would just stop installing debian |
| 09:12.55 | nvz | HaNazir: heh. I never made that connection |
| 09:13.00 | liable | yacoob: 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:13.10 | mernil | kevix: i don't like saunas ;P |
| 09:13.11 | sn00p | liable: Err ftp://mirrors.kernel.org stable/none-free Sources |
| 09:13.11 | sn00p | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.22 | yacoob | liable: yup. |
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| 09:13.30 | tcsetattr | porn drives all technology... why did man invent the VCR? because he didn't like whacking in a theater with other guys. |
| 09:13.30 | liable | sn00p: dude, spellcheck! :P |
| 09:13.33 | kevix | mernil, aparently many debian developers do! |
| 09:13.42 | liable | sn00p: non-free |
| 09:13.43 | HaNazir | nvz: yeah apparently, the porn industry pushes for it and then ISPs get it on condition that they allow plenty of porn traffic |
| 09:13.57 | HaNazir | tcsetattr: really? |
| 09:14.12 | HaNazir | tcsetattr: not the part about whacking off in front of other guys |
| 09:14.18 | tcsetattr | well, it's a good enough theory... |
| 09:14.19 | sn00p | liable: opps :) |
| 09:14.23 | cahoot | HaNazir: just imagine what NASA is all about |
| 09:14.23 | HaNazir | lol |
| 09:14.31 | HaNazir | cahoot: lol |
| 09:14.52 | yacoob | to be honest, all my troubles start with sarge netinst not detecting sata hdd :( |
| 09:15.01 | liable | sn00p: you can append it to the normal line... main contrib non-free |
| 09:15.09 | mernil | kevix: actually, i don't like to show myself naked.. my manhood is as tiny as bill gates fortune is big ;P |
| 09:15.29 | yacoob | yesterday I've tried to boot from ubuntu, and try to debootstrap, but |
| 09:15.43 | yacoob | ...stable was a no go (as stable's kernel doesn't see hdd) |
| 09:15.47 | kevix | HaNazir, maybe someone will write a linux program like the recent windows virus that admonishes you for looking at porn! |
| 09:15.51 | HaNazir | nvz: so what is the secret behind the scenes? |
| 09:15.53 | sn00p | How do I add contrib same way as non-free? |
| 09:15.54 | yacoob | ...testing scripts were missing from debootstrap's dir |
| 09:15.59 | yacoob | ...unstable was uninstallable |
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| 09:16.37 | Morti | yacoob: Get the netinst CD and use "install26" or "expert26" to get a 2.6 kernel that should work with SATA. |
| 09:16.41 | mernil | and btw: i'm just here because i'm banned from #slackware ;) |
| 09:16.54 | liable | sn00p: just add it at the end of your normal line with a space between each one. |
| 09:17.07 | christianp | hi all |
| 09:17.27 | liable | sn00p: deb ftp;blah@blahdeblah main contrib non-free |
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| 09:17.39 | mernil | but to be honest: you guys seem a lot more knowlegle <- sorry i cant spell it |
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| 09:18.08 | kevix | mernil, just just aspell! |
| 09:18.27 | mernil | kevix: not installed |
| 09:18.29 | christianp | i need drivers for my network CUPS printer: Epson Aculaser C2000. I installed foomatic-db-gutenprint foomatic-db-gimpprint but i can't find this driver |
| 09:18.29 | liable | kevix: what virus is that? whats it do? |
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| 09:18.36 | liable | !installit |
| 09:18.36 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 09:19.24 | nvz | HaNazir: keywords seem to have finally made it into the scene largely now. they realized that there is no meta data in movies or images and that the most effecient means of underground transport require some sort of tagging. so they have started making up keywords. like BBW (big booty women) which are simple three letter acronyms to more exotic like qwerty or other strange things that would never legitimatly occur in a filename |
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| 09:19.29 | kevix | liable, there is a 'muslim' virus that detects the words in your browser and uses a popup to warn you are going to hell if you view porn. |
| 09:19.37 | nova_ | hi, where can i read more about debian-apache config |
| 09:19.48 | liable | kevix: haha, what will they think of next.. |
| 09:20.03 | sn00p | grrr |
| 09:20.06 | liable | nova_: google? |
| 09:20.08 | bob2 | nova_: apache2? /usr/share/doc/apache2/ |
| 09:20.12 | HaNazir | nvz: and how does that help them? |
| 09:20.13 | sn00p | i cant find the flash plgin in apt get |
| 09:20.18 | tcsetattr | nvz, you can put meta data into movies and images. The problem is that all the peer-to-peer file-sharing programs work by searching for substrings of the filename, so you have to cram your keywords in there. |
| 09:20.19 | nova_ | liable: can;t find it there... |
| 09:20.21 | mernil | kevix: don't talk bad about religion |
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| 09:20.35 | bob2 | sn00p: yes, it's not in Debian |
| 09:20.38 | babyrobbe | !tell babyrobbe about apt-get |
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| 09:20.49 | Morti | Religion sucks. :/ |
| 09:20.50 | sn00p | yes it is i've used it before |
| 09:20.51 | nvz | HaNazir: I've got a file somewhere with millons of them.. but no time or decent scripts to produce me any useful information yet. I have more important things to do now than examine the tactics of porn lovers |
| 09:20.53 | liable | nova_: if its not on google, it prolly doesnt exist... try different keywords... |
| 09:21.12 | nkuttler | babyrobbe: you can /msg the bot |
| 09:21.14 | mernil | Morti: maybe.. but all muslims ain't terrorists either |
| 09:21.15 | nvz | tcsetattr: right, thats what I mean. |
| 09:21.20 | nova_ | liable: i was looking how debian uses the enable/availile configuration |
| 09:21.22 | kevix | mernil, I was stating a fact. It was not an opinion. |
| 09:21.23 | HaNazir | Morti: y? |
| 09:21.36 | babyrobbe | nkuttler: ^^ ... (just tries to figuer out how to install a .deb i downloaded (skype)) |
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| 09:21.49 | nkuttler | babyrobbe: man dpkg |
| 09:21.53 | babyrobbe | :D |
| 09:21.58 | HaNazir | nvz: oh ur talking about like p2p filesharing? |
| 09:22.06 | Morti | HaNazir: It distracts people from the truth. If the concept of religion was never existed, all people would see is the truth which is the sovreignty of God and His grace given to us through Jesus Christ. |
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| 09:22.17 | sn00p | apt-cache search flashplugin not there whats wrong |
| 09:22.19 | liable | oh.... |
| 09:22.20 | Morti | But anyway, that's an odd conversation for #debian, PM me or something if you want to talk about it. :-P |
| 09:22.31 | bob2 | sn00p: yes, it's not in Debian |
| 09:22.32 | nvz | HaNazir: well thats the hottest thing now right :P they have other ways and means though. the fuckers are creative. |
| 09:22.34 | bob2 | sn00p: /msg dpkg flash |
| 09:22.51 | sn00p | bob2: its in nonfree i've added that source |
| 09:22.54 | tcsetattr | yeah, Morti, if it weren't for the distraction of OTHER delusions, everybody would instinctively buy into YOUR delusion. that makes a lotta sense. |
| 09:22.56 | HaNazir | Morti: mm |
| 09:22.56 | sameer | hi people ,, im trying to get 5.1 surround from my via8235 , cmedia 9761 chip .. 4 channels seems to be proper.. plz help |
| 09:23.01 | liable | sn00p: flashplugin-nonfree... |
| 09:23.04 | nvz | HaNazir: its amazing what the one-handed hackers community comes up with |
| 09:23.15 | liable | sn00p: update! |
| 09:23.16 | Morti | I won't continue that discussion in this channel. :) |
| 09:23.23 | outlaw84 | sameer: are you using alsa? |
| 09:23.28 | sn00p | I just did |
| 09:23.33 | nvz | HaNazir: its obvious with things like qwerty as a keyword that most people who use qwerty keyboards jerk off with their right hand. |
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| 09:23.39 | lala2005 | hi |
| 09:23.40 | sameer | outlaw84 : yes |
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| 09:23.51 | nvz | HaNazir: I am very very observant :P |
| 09:23.51 | sameer | outlaw84 : kernel 2.6.13 alsa drivers |
| 09:23.57 | lala2005 | Does any one know of any good linux sites |
| 09:24.00 | liable | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:24.05 | HaNazir | nvz: umm...one handed hackers=12 yr old kids? |
| 09:24.06 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 09:24.13 | nkuttler | lala2005: debian.org |
| 09:24.19 | nova_ | lala2005: google: linuxquestions |
| 09:24.20 | lala2005 | I have visited tldp.org and linuxquestions.org |
| 09:24.23 | outlaw84 | sameer: the use alsamixer and try the different increasing the different contollers |
| 09:24.25 | nvz | HaNazir: one-handed hackers=peter squeezers |
| 09:24.29 | kevix | lala2005, can you be more general! |
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| 09:24.44 | lala2005 | But i want a more comprehensive site with tips and tricks |
| 09:24.44 | HaNazir | nvz: lol |
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| 09:24.47 | liable | nvz: wankers? |
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| 09:24.54 | outlaw84 | sameer: then use alsamixer and try to increase the different contollers |
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| 09:25.01 | HaNazir | nvz: ur saying the come up with these codes, cos they are using their left hand? |
| 09:25.03 | kevix | lala2005, about? |
| 09:25.06 | sn00p | liable; so? |
| 09:25.13 | sameer | outlaw84 : i tried them all .. i simply cant get 6 channels ,, i get 4 channels good but not 6 |
| 09:25.16 | nvz | HaNazir: they come all ages. I have an uncle that sits online all day surfing the daily crop. he's not allowed to work cause he would go on a binge so his girlfriend makes him stay home and be the house bitch |
| 09:25.18 | liable | sn00p: so what? |
| 09:25.21 | HaNazir | nvz: to type thgat is |
| 09:25.24 | outlaw84 | sameer: If your soundcard is a true 5.1 you should get sound... |
| 09:25.30 | sn00p | liable: where is it |
| 09:25.34 | lala2005 | kevix, sound configuration in particular , may be usb configuration and so on |
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| 09:25.50 | nvz | HaNazir: not all of them. but the cultures that use qwerty keyboards apperently are largely right handed wankers |
| 09:25.54 | liable | sn00p: read what dpkg said... contrib. |
| 09:26.03 | sn00p | I did |
| 09:26.06 | nvz | HaNazir: what my studies show |
| 09:26.06 | sn00p | I have contrib |
| 09:26.06 | outlaw84 | sameer: Thats what I did for my Creative 5.1 soundcard and it worked |
| 09:26.14 | liable | !info flashplugin-nonfree sarge |
| 09:26.19 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 09:26.25 | HaNazir | nvz: qwery keyboard as opposed to?? |
| 09:26.35 | nvz | HaNazir: I am naturally only sharing the least significant of my findings that will still entertain your curiosity |
| 09:26.42 | liable | sn00p: paste your sources list to #flood or paster |
| 09:26.46 | mernil | is it okay to paste links here? I just have one .. it's a goldmine for you who likes Ronnie Dio |
| 09:26.56 | fireba11 | HaNazir: qwertz :-) |
| 09:27.03 | lala2005 | Actually, i tried installing ubuntu on my machine and it worked out of the box except sound which was a big headache. Though fedora is able to detect my sound card |
| 09:27.06 | HaNazir | llol |
| 09:27.11 | mernil | http://www.dimwhit.com/dio/mp3/mp3.html |
| 09:27.11 | nvz | HaNazir: azerty is another layout, as well as dvork |
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| 09:27.14 | sn00p | liable: your not in there |
| 09:27.29 | liable | sn00p: am i not? |
| 09:27.39 | HaNazir | nvz: i have to pay for the significant stuff? |
| 09:27.40 | sameer | outlaw84 : great .. but mine wont work at all.. actually line in and mic become outputs .. but im only able to get mic as output .. nothing seems to come from line in |
| 09:27.40 | liable | sn00p: are you sure? |
| 09:27.40 | sn00p | See you now |
| 09:27.49 | DotHack | when tulip gets loaded before dfme it doesnt work. |
| 09:27.49 | kevix | lala2005, have you install alsa packages? |
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| 09:28.13 | HaNazir | nvz: it seems to me that if those codes could be figured out, then it could be filtered most effectively |
| 09:28.14 | nvz | HaNazir: of course. if the investigation agencies want their hands on my knowledge it doesnt come for free. |
| 09:28.19 | sn00p | liable: look at what I pasted? |
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| 09:28.27 | HaNazir | nvz: i dont know of a content filter that filters p2p yet |
| 09:28.27 | lala2005 | kevix, Yes and my sound card is aztec2320 ISA |
| 09:28.28 | DotHack | the other way around wrks perfectly, cant this be changed in discover or something |
| 09:28.30 | outlaw84 | sameer: what soundcard was it that you had? |
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| 09:28.44 | liable | sn00p: read what i said |
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| 09:28.57 | HaNazir | nvz: but dont most people use qwerty keyboards period? |
| 09:29.04 | sameer | outlaw84 :cmedia cmi 9761 |
| 09:29.06 | nvz | HaNazir: then you are nieve. everything slipps through filters. its just who is looking at it, and what are they learning from it |
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| 09:29.33 | kevix | lala2005, you may not be aware but if you are using ubuntu, you should go to #ubuntu as they will know more about your problem. |
| 09:29.34 | Guerin | naïve |
| 09:29.40 | lala2005 | Hey I found a cool site at http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com . Let me check if there are any tips and tricks i want there. |
| 09:29.47 | liable | Guerin: engrish! |
| 09:29.52 | outlaw84 | sameer: Its build into the mainboard right? |
| 09:29.54 | thirst | after my upgrade to latest unstable, my xorg gives me 1600x1200 and 1024x768, but can't get 1280x1024 |
| 09:29.57 | HaNazir | nvz: that it cos cat and mouse never works |
| 09:30.13 | Guerin | liable: Honey, I've got engrish I haven't used yet. |
| 09:30.27 | sameer | outlaw84 : yes |
| 09:30.30 | lala2005 | kevix, thanks. Which distro do you use? And yes ubuntu is based on debian |
| 09:30.31 | liable | Guerin: oooh, wanna meet? |
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| 09:30.44 | tralala | thirst: why do you use sid? |
| 09:30.52 | Guerin | liable: omg noes |
| 09:30.53 | fken | who is responsible with dpkg msg ? |
| 09:31.01 | Guerin | fken: #debian |
| 09:31.16 | fken | yeah but who can change a line ? |
| 09:31.23 | nvz | HaNazir: usage statistics on keyboard layouts isnt something I know a great deal about. I am sure I could draw a half assed conclusion to such things by looking at the random strings of chars I come across like I did in the qwerty example but I personally have only seen or used a qwerty keyboard so I can only match patterns that are likely to come from that layout |
| 09:31.27 | Guerin | fken: anyone can. |
| 09:31.29 | kevix | lala2005, I use debian 'sid'/unstable. ubuntu is based on debian but they make their own decisions and differ in signifigant ways. |
| 09:32.04 | liable | Guerin: gotta be jacki chan?? |
| 09:32.10 | fken | tell me how i could change anything with nvidia onliner : the command line ? |
| 09:32.12 | lala2005 | kevix, even sound configurations ? |
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| 09:32.28 | Guerin | fken: it works as is. Don't change it. |
| 09:32.30 | nvz | al;kdfhaweiotuwoin.czvn you know I am using a qwerty keyboard with two hands. aetzsdgatasdgazbyurtyumvjghiui you can now see I am using one hand. |
| 09:32.32 | fken | i wanna add update-pciids at the beginning |
| 09:32.34 | outlaw84 | Yea I think I got the same thing build into mine but dont use that card... But back in the old days I tryed to get surround with the help of that in windows and it didn't even work there... So I cant help you anymore.. It worked for me by just increasing volym with alsamixer |
| 09:32.39 | Guerin | fken: oh, ok |
| 09:32.44 | Guerin | !nvidia one-liner |
| 09:32.44 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 09:32.58 | thirst | tralala: i was only reporting a bug..:) |
| 09:33.03 | fken | and eventually xorg |
| 09:33.11 | HaNazir | nvz: ah ok i get u |
| 09:33.16 | nvz | though maybe I am slightly autistic or something.. cause I recognize things like that immediatly |
| 09:33.22 | Guerin | fken: update-pciids is all you need to add? |
| 09:33.29 | tralala | thirst: is it really a bug? |
| 09:33.33 | HaNazir | nvz: u figured that those codes were typed on qwerty keyboard |
| 09:33.35 | lala2005 | Hey there is a detailed sound configuration details listed at http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com though I had to search that site. And the tips are cool. |
| 09:33.47 | litage | how do you tell your dnscache server about your tinydns server so that machine using the dnscache server for lookups can resolv internal names? |
| 09:33.50 | fken | update-pciids will allow the command to works automatically |
| 09:33.59 | Guerin | nvz: yeah, because autism is that, and nothing else. |
| 09:34.04 | nvz | HaNazir: I know cause I just typed them. but I could easily figure it as well. |
| 09:34.10 | lala2005 | But I doubt it will be useful to me as it configures sound in fedora |
| 09:34.11 | Guerin | !nvidia one-liner =~ s/apt/update-pciids ; apt/ |
| 09:34.11 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 09:34.25 | nvz | Guerin: no but they generally are more apt to such things |
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| 09:34.30 | thirst | tralala: looks like it.. not sure.. that is why i wanted to ask before filing it .. |
| 09:34.32 | Guerin | riiiight |
| 09:34.35 | fken | guerin but in fact i am more here to report that wacom onliner doesnt work and could create damage on your kernel |
| 09:34.39 | lala2005 | Wow this site is cool man |
| 09:34.52 | HaNazir | nvz: no i was being a troll. i thought u figured out that they used their left hand to type the codes. but that would make u a psychic. i'm out of it. |
| 09:34.59 | nvz | they focus differently |
| 09:35.18 | tralala | thirst: it could be a bug or not. You'll need to investigate the reasons to know for sure. |
| 09:35.20 | kevix | lala2005, the basic thing is to load the correct kernel module, install alsa tools and then configure alsa and test it. |
| 09:35.22 | DotHack | if some pci id is wrong in discover's pci.lst can i report that somewhere? |
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| 09:35.34 | fken | guerin: i had trouble with my cdrom and since i reinstall the kernel (wacom was the only soft that try to recompile my kernel) everything works |
| 09:35.35 | outlaw84 | Since I upgraded to xorg two things broke... A key that helps me type "| < >" and fonts that wine uses |
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| 09:35.38 | dondelelcaro | DotHack: file a bug against discover; /msg dpkg bts |
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| 09:36.23 | liable | Guerin: so, where is it from? |
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| 09:36.29 | fken | guerin: moreover it doesnt work with volito2 |
| 09:36.30 | myren | how do i keep a packet from being forwarded by a bridge? |
| 09:36.38 | sn00p | you know whats nice about x windows, you can install any window manager you like as many times as you want and you don thave to reconfigure your programs to run with it |
| 09:36.38 | lala2005 | kevix, yeah but in ubuntu, it is done differently. Usually , I did modprobe snd_azt2320 to load the sound module but in ubuntu it doesnt work' |
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| 09:37.29 | nvz | HaNazir: its probability really. on my qwerty keyboard assuming I am typing hunt and peck with two fingers one on each hand.. I can generate any pattern. but if I am touch typing or wankin, or trying to quickly come up with a cryptic string there is a certain probabilty of ajecent keys to any one location or finger |
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| 09:37.43 | thirst | tralala: it was working fine.. till i upgraded.. and error logs show "(1152x1024,Philips 109s) mode clock 100000MHz exceeds DDC maximum 230MHz" i put 1152x1024 in xorg.conf but it starts with 1600x1200 |
| 09:37.53 | mamar | Bonjour |
| 09:37.53 | kevix | lala2005, does it say the modules doesnt exist or something else? |
| 09:38.05 | Guerin | liable: it's a ninja tune cut from an old choon. |
| 09:38.29 | fken | mamar: hello you! dont forget to speak english |
| 09:38.31 | HaNazir | nvz: bbw (big booty women) i see the bb, but why w? |
| 09:38.34 | noble- | what's the best way to talk to other users on a system, from your shell terminal? |
| 09:38.52 | fken | !nvidia one-liner |
| 09:38.52 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 09:38.52 | mamar | Yes, fken |
| 09:38.55 | tralala | thirst: do you have a wrong modeline or it is the autodetection that gives this clock? |
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| 09:39.04 | Guerin | HaNazir: you think there aren's big booty men? |
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| 09:39.07 | Guerin | aren't |
| 09:39.13 | HaNazir | nvz: "umm b and b," mum walks in, freaks out jumps to w. |
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| 09:39.31 | nvz | HaNazir: these people arent computer scientists they arent using generator programs or thinking very much. they are slapping in what is easiest. in that case the person is less concerned with cryptology and is comming up with acronyms |
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| 09:39.59 | fken | Guerin: add "replace xserver-xfree86 by xserver-xorg if you are using xorg" too |
| 09:40.02 | nvz | HaNazir: acronyms are completly different from making cryptic keywords |
| 09:40.13 | nvz | HaNazir: theres a whole different logic attached |
| 09:40.17 | thirst | tralala: autodetection i guess i don't see modelines in xorg.conf |
| 09:40.27 | Guerin | fken: that comes under the heading 'duh' |
| 09:40.29 | tralala | thirst: sounds like a bug then |
| 09:40.34 | kevix | lala2005, use snd-azt2320, not '_' |
| 09:40.42 | fken | Guerin : uh ? |
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| 09:41.09 | thirst | tralala: ok.. me filing it then |
| 09:41.09 | fken | Guerin: what are you saying ? are you saying its so obvious ? |
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| 09:41.18 | liable | !test |
| 09:41.19 | dpkg | No, liable, you're not online any more. |
| 09:41.22 | fbi | i'm pretty sure anyone using the nvidia one-liner knows the difference between xfree86 and xorg. |
| 09:41.38 | fbi | Guerin: you like ninja tune, eh? |
| 09:41.39 | tralala | thirst: you might want to use apt-listbugs first to see if it is already reported |
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| 09:41.45 | liable | hrmm |
| 09:42.10 | Guerin | fbi: i like some ninja tunes |
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| 09:42.22 | Guerin | cold krush cuts is still one of the best albums I ever bought |
| 09:42.26 | fken | Guerin | fbi : yeah but in fact i think it should me easier to say that to the newbees |
| 09:42.27 | fbi | i've got almost the entire catalogue on vinyl |
| 09:42.33 | nvz | HaNazir: I am not even going to go into the profiling aspects of the choice between such different logical approaches at classifying material |
| 09:42.37 | fbi | everything that's worth buying anyway |
| 09:42.41 | Guerin | fbi: funky. |
| 09:42.45 | fbi | some of their stuff is garbage though |
| 09:42.50 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 09:43.29 | liable | Guerin: did i miss the answer? |
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| 09:43.43 | Guerin | liable: i don't know, did you? |
| 09:43.46 | liable | Guerin: tell me! |
| 09:43.57 | Guerin | liable: it's a ninja tune cut from an old choon. |
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| 09:44.07 | Guerin | i don't know which old choon, sorry |
| 09:44.08 | liable | Guerin: oh. |
| 09:44.21 | fken | so i have to go |
| 09:44.25 | fken | see ya all |
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| 09:44.41 | thirst | tralala: ok |
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| 09:46.28 | lac | Where do questions about scanners, hp-printers, and the cups system go? here? |
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| 09:46.54 | liable | good old sabbath, gotta love the old devil music. |
| 09:46.55 | HaNazir | nvz: interesting |
| 09:47.00 | jm_ | lac: "/msg dpkg ask" -- more specialised channel can also help |
| 09:47.41 | HaNazir | dvz: so u only learn this stuff by owning a porn site? |
| 09:47.55 | liable | HaNazir: /msg dpkg u |
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| 09:48.53 | kevix | lac, have you been to : http://www.linuxprinting.org/ |
| 09:49.13 | HaNazir | liable: ?? |
| 09:49.30 | thirst | tralala: can't find anything filed.. so me going to file a new bug.. thanks |
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| 09:49.38 | hns | think had unwanted visitors via ssh. Does a user nobody and a group nogroup exists in a standard debian system? |
| 09:49.43 | liable | !tell HaNazir about u |
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| 09:50.02 | lac | yes. my system works great. I only have a small problem. I want to scan to a file on disk, and I don't know how. Likely it will work first time, if I only knew the command. |
| 09:50.04 | tcsetattr | nobody and nogroup are standard. |
| 09:50.12 | kevix | hns, did you check the auth logs? |
| 09:50.31 | valdyn | hns: yea |
| 09:50.34 | hns | yes i did. saw logins during night |
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| 09:50.41 | HaNazir | liable: lol, y telling me about this? |
| 09:50.48 | valdyn | hns: various servers run as that user |
| 09:50.54 | liable | HaNazir: yes :) |
| 09:51.10 | HaNazir | lol |
| 09:51.17 | nvz | HaNazir: this all came long after I ran a porn site. its not the center of my research either. it all has more to do with me understanding people in general. one school of thought is sexual. its a function of the most primative part of our mind. in the cases I've talked about its how our higer-level thought processes deal with these primal factors. I have to keep my self busy constantly learning about new things. I am too intelligent to be bore |
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| 09:51.38 | hns | ok. i see. never the less will take no risc. disable sshd and will do a new install, i am just not sure |
| 09:51.41 | intero | hello |
| 09:52.03 | HaNazir | nvz: i thought intelligent people were often bored |
| 09:52.04 | nvz | HaNazir: I havent messed with this shit in nearly a decade. |
| 09:52.12 | kevix | nvz, you mean you are a std hacker/nerd/geek ! |
| 09:52.18 | tcsetattr | lac, for scanning from command line use scanimage. For a graphical frontend, try xsane |
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| 09:53.09 | nvz | HaNazir: It should be illegal for people of a certain intelligence to be bored IMO. I dont ever let it happen. I am always overly analyzing something. |
| 09:53.33 | liable | nvz: well why dont you do something usefull like become a DD? |
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| 09:54.01 | nvz | liable: dont have the time to become useful in that area. so far I can only help here.. cause I can fit it in as a multi-task |
| 09:54.25 | christianp | moving the /var/dpkg from server A to server B, server B find yet installed all the program installed in server A. How can i tell server B to check all the programs really installed in it? |
| 09:54.28 | nvz | liable: and I can leave and not worry about any certain obligation at any time |
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| 09:54.55 | dondelelcaro | christianp: just reinstall everything |
| 09:54.58 | dondelelcaro | !reinstall |
| 09:54.58 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 09:55.01 | lac | thanks tcsetattr: |
| 09:55.23 | nvz | liable: as you can imagine I got millions of open projects all the time. my mind wanders aimlessly from one subject to the next |
| 09:55.25 | kevix | liable, as other point out, you do not have to be a DD to help Debian. you can even have software in debian with out being a DD(sponsered uploads). |
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| 09:56.28 | liable | kevix: right, thanks for that.. |
| 09:56.40 | liable | nvz: well, get focused! |
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| 09:57.10 | christianp | dondelelcaro, how can i say reinstall everything? |
| 09:57.18 | christianp | and i lost configuratins? |
| 09:57.26 | christianp | configurations? |
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| 09:57.41 | Guerin | christianp: no, configurations aren't replaced on reinstall |
| 09:57.50 | kevix | christianp, how did you 'lose everything'? |
| 09:57.53 | Guerin | christianp: unless they're not present, or you tell them to be. |
| 09:57.58 | Guerin | kevix: corrupted filesystem. |
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| 09:58.18 | Guerin | christianp: i told you how to do this about two hours ago, why have you not done it yet? |
| 09:58.39 | kevix | Guerin, can they mount the FS and see some files or not? |
| 09:58.41 | nvz | I am currently trying to build now 3 not-for-profit organizations, find a decent full time job, turn my whole neighborhood around, help all you people, as well as my family I got a 16yo brother staying up late to talk to his lover from the UK who is older than me, and a 13yo brother who is absolutly brilliant but is using his genius to con my mother into doing all his school work, so his mind can rot...etc |
| 09:58.48 | fireba11 | kevix: runnung fsck wihtout unmounting it seems |
| 09:58.49 | dondelelcaro | christianp: see the command that dpkg gave you above. |
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| 09:58.59 | Guerin | kevix: the filesystem is now fixed, but some stuff got lost. |
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| 09:59.26 | liable | nvz: what about leetlug? |
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| 09:59.45 | kevix | Guerin, ok. got it. |
| 09:59.48 | christianp | Guerin, what you say two hours ago? Have i lost your post? |
| 10:00.43 | nvz | liable: yeah I am trying to start LeetLug, as well as a Political Action Comittee and now some sort of Civilian Review Board to keep these crooked ass cops in place. |
| 10:00.59 | nvz | they are being a royal pain in my ass |
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| 10:01.40 | HaNazir | nvz: what country u in? |
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| 10:02.00 | liable | dpkg: u |
| 10:02.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 10:02.31 | nvz | liable: one person can only do so much. until I get people with common interests who will back each effort and take on some of the duties none of them will take off. |
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| 10:02.47 | liable | HaNazir: as was once said here recently, we dont charge by the character! |
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| 10:02.50 | nvz | HaNazir: United States of America. |
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| 10:03.04 | HaNazir | liable: :) |
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| 10:03.20 | HaNazir | nvz: good luck with ur cop thing |
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| 10:03.31 | christianp | dondelelcaro, the actual package list is not updated (is the one of server A). How can i refresh it? |
| 10:03.37 | nvz | HaNazir: oh that shit is definatly being taken care of, its top priority |
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| 10:04.01 | HaNazir | nvz: yeah but they're becoming more and more military like |
| 10:04.08 | nvz | HaNazir: I won't stand for this shit. I've put up with it way too long. I am an adult now, and wont be pushed around anymore |
| 10:04.13 | christianp | dondelelcaro, so calling dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install says: i can't find packages |
| 10:04.24 | christianp | dondelelcaro, understand? |
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| 10:04.53 | Mortalman | Anyone know how to have X start up automaticly as a certain user on boot ? |
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| 10:05.19 | valdyn | Mortalman: apt-get install gdm and click your way thru the menu of gdm |
| 10:05.20 | doleyb | Mortalman: if you use kde or gnome there are checkboxes for that. if not you can do a little script. |
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| 10:06.08 | fbi | wouldn't installing gdm affect all users though |
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| 10:06.25 | valdyn | fbi: hmm? |
| 10:06.29 | nvz | everything else I want to do isnt going to be foiled by a bunch of dorks turned cops on a fuckin power trip. since they are causing me greif on a daily basis and obstructing all other efforts its top priority over the other efforts |
| 10:06.40 | valdyn | fbi: he wants to log in as a certain user.. |
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| 10:06.59 | liable | got it.. |
| 10:07.06 | fbi | valdyn: never mind, i haven't had tea yet. |
| 10:07.17 | fbi | disregard anything i say for the next 20 minutes |
| 10:07.23 | Mortalman | doleyb: I don't use either kde or gnome. I made a script which sets the PATH and runs startx and have a crontab rule like @reboot myscript.sh & ,but I get a mail complaining about xauth. Any ideas? |
| 10:07.44 | liable | fbi: anything you say can and will be used against you ... :P |
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| 10:07.49 | valdyn | Mortalman: use gdm or kdm, period, you dont need whole gnome nor whole kde |
| 10:07.55 | fbi | yay |
| 10:08.05 | dondelelcaro | christianp: then you haven't run apt-get update; or your sources.list doesn't match the other server. |
| 10:08.09 | liable | joke missed i think... |
| 10:08.13 | dondelelcaro | (or you've got unofficial packages installed) |
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| 10:08.53 | doleyb | Mortalman: if you really want to do a script and can't use just kdm/gdm, try it in init.d |
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| 10:09.01 | Mortalman | valdyn: Viable solutions, but there should be a way to do this without them. I am running a very old laptop and would like to keep as many resources as possible. |
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| 10:09.28 | christianp | dondelelcaro, server A has unoffricial packages installed, while server B (and his sources.list) has only official one |
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| 10:09.36 | Mortalman | doleyb: Will try. thanks |
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| 10:10.01 | jm_ | I'd say it's more related to Xwrapper.config than xauth, you can always start it from inittab ala RH/SuSE/whatever |
| 10:10.14 | valdyn | !info gdm |
| 10:10.21 | dpkg | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.0.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3070 kB, Installed size: 8492 kB |
| 10:10.40 | Vexis | ...? |
| 10:10.46 | dondelelcaro | christianp: so grep out the unofficial packages |
| 10:11.05 | christianp | how can i do this? |
| 10:11.06 | nvz | HaNazir: all you need to remember is activism is the only way. as RATM said "Why stand on a silent platform? Fight the war, fuck the norm!" and never leave your ground. I went away for a couple years and shit has gotten out of hand. |
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| 10:11.47 | valdyn | Mortalman: i suppose you dont use sux or sudo to switch to your user |
| 10:11.47 | liable | dondelelcaro: seeing as most people here with problems are using sarge (well you know what i mean) could you get dpkg to display by default, the sarge packages for an info command? |
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| 10:12.06 | valdyn | Mortalman: and you do it after X is started |
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| 10:12.23 | dondelelcaro | liable: just append sarge |
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| 10:13.03 | liable | dondelelcaro: couldnt sarge be default though? |
| 10:13.03 | dondelelcaro | the default is unstable because that's what changes; everything else needs to be specified. |
| 10:13.11 | liable | right |
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| 10:13.27 | Mortalman | valdyn: Although I am aware of sudo and sux and what they do, your last 2 comments didn't make a whole lot of sense. |
| 10:13.38 | marcin_ant | hi guys - I got a problem - and hope someone here could help me |
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| 10:13.44 | valdyn | Mortalman: i was wondering if that is what you are doing. |
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| 10:14.30 | nvz | is there some magic command to clean up screen(1)s aside from like killall.. heh I often end up with a bunch of them from carelessly using C-a a, instead of looking for an unused one |
| 10:14.30 | Landslide | how do I easily install a complete gcc development environment |
| 10:14.30 | jm_ | Mortalman: I'd say it's more related to Xwrapper.config than xauth, you can always start it from inittab ala RH/SuSE/whatever |
| 10:14.30 | Landslide | other than installing every package manually |
| 10:14.33 | liable | nvz: reattach and kill? |
| 10:14.39 | Mortalman | valdyn: Nah, I had a cron job set for the username which was supposed to start a script which set a path and did startx.... which failed. heh |
| 10:14.41 | liable | nvz: .. exit.. |
| 10:14.42 | marcin_ant | I got debian machine with syslog daemon running and I got remote adsl router (us robotics 9105) with remote logging feature |
| 10:14.46 | jm_ | !b-e Landslide |
| 10:14.47 | dpkg | Landslide: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 10:15.02 | nvz | liable: yeah I just had to exit half a dozen of them |
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| 10:15.08 | Landslide | lovely |
| 10:15.10 | valdyn | Mortalman: hmm, cron is a funny way for this |
| 10:15.13 | marcin_ant | I configured system log on this adsl router to send logs to my machine - with static IP and on port 514 |
| 10:15.14 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 10:15.14 | dpkg | rc.local is probably the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 10:15.17 | Landslide | are all these highlevel packages documented somewhere? |
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| 10:15.27 | jm_ | aptitude shows them |
| 10:15.39 | Landslide | aptitude is yucky ;) |
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| 10:15.40 | marcin_ant | problem is that I know that these logs from remote machine goes to my syslog - but I don't know where |
| 10:16.00 | nvz | I should have gotten that extra 2 hours of sleep I mentioned two hours ago. I will regret it later today. I got a full schedule pretty much |
| 10:16.02 | jm_ | marcel: they won't go anywhere by default, because it doesn't accept remote connections by default |
| 10:16.06 | marcin_ant | and I don't know how to configure syslog to have logs from remote machine in separate file |
| 10:16.07 | jm_ | marcin_ant ^^^^^ |
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| 10:16.27 | liable | Landslide: use it on the cli like apt, its exactly the same, but better! :) |
| 10:16.28 | jm_ | they will go to the same logfiles, but will end up in them with a different hostname |
| 10:16.32 | kevix | Landslide, they are called virtual or meta packages |
| 10:16.33 | nvz | I am not sure the irritability will serve me today. |
| 10:16.46 | Landslide | ah ok |
| 10:16.54 | marcin_ant | jm_, so first I need to configure my syslog to accept remote connections? |
| 10:16.59 | jm_ | marcin_ant: indeed |
| 10:17.04 | jm_ | syslogd |
| 10:17.05 | kevix | Landslide, there is 'kde','gnome','x-window-system' as examples. |
| 10:17.32 | Landslide | they're not under virtual packages on my aptitude. |
| 10:17.59 | marcin_ant | jm_, hmm any hint how? /etc/syslog.conf ? |
| 10:18.00 | kevix | Landslide, do '/' 'gnome' |
| 10:18.05 | Mortalman | valdyn: Ever since I found out about cron's @reboot, I've been kinda addicted to it. |
| 10:18.09 | Landslide | ah search function puts build-essential under devel/main/ |
| 10:18.22 | jm_ | marcin_ant: no, check its init script |
| 10:18.54 | nvz | I used that xfce nearly all day yesturday after I got bitched at for knocking it when I havent tried it in ages.. its not really all that bad. if it had some decent keybindings in the wm I could probably use it |
| 10:18.55 | marcin_ant | jm_, ok got it |
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| 10:19.19 | honschu | My Menus in fvwm are german, how to switch them from "Betrachter" back to "Editor"? |
| 10:19.30 | honschu | to english |
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| 10:19.34 | liable | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 10:19.37 | valdyn | honschu: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:19.52 | nvz | heh thats one of my favorite yinzer smites |
| 10:20.35 | nvz | "gowen a hunnert mallanar" is like one of my favorite yinzer phrases |
| 10:20.37 | valdyn | german gnome translation is just horrible |
| 10:20.54 | caphuso | valdyn: worse than that of lynx? |
| 10:21.09 | marcin_ant | jm_, hmm another question |
| 10:21.12 | honschu | valdyn: Yeah! Thx a lot! It worked!! |
| 10:21.21 | nvz | I find my self making sure I pronounce Miles-An-Hour specifically anymore after writing that smite, just to see if my friends realize they say it wrong |
| 10:21.27 | valdyn | caphuso: yea |
| 10:21.29 | intero | what kernel option should i enable to gain advantage of HT on pentium4? |
| 10:21.42 | petemc | intero: acpi processor enumeration and smp |
| 10:21.47 | marcin_ant | jm_, currently there is "SYSLOGD="-u syslog" in sysklodg init script |
| 10:21.53 | caphuso | valdyn: wow |
| 10:21.53 | kevix | honschu, if you have en_US or similar available, you can start a program with 'LC_ALL=en_US PROG' and it should start in english. |
| 10:22.11 | marcin_ant | jm_, and hint to "For remote UDP logging use SYSLOGD="-r" " |
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| 10:22.32 | honschu | kevix: good to know - thx |
| 10:22.33 | marcin_ant | jm_, question is - should I add this -r option to existing -u option or replace? |
| 10:22.48 | nvz | is there some other way to update the psuedo-transparency (i.e. redraw the background) on an aterm other than moving it? |
| 10:22.50 | jm_ | marcin_ant: -u is not even documented, not sure where you got that from |
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| 10:23.05 | marcin_ant | jm_, and of course I still want to have my local logs |
| 10:23.12 | marcin_ant | jm_, it is documented in man |
| 10:23.16 | jm_ | marcin_ant: you will have local logs just fine |
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| 10:23.17 | marcin_ant | jm_, -u user |
| 10:23.18 | jm_ | marcin_ant: not in mine |
| 10:23.52 | intero | petemc: thanks. where can i find "acpi processor enumeration"? the processor in acpi doesnt seem related to emulation |
| 10:24.07 | marcin_ant | jm_, ' The syslogd daemon runs with full root privileges by default. If you specify this option, the daemon will drop its privileges to |
| 10:24.07 | marcin_ant | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.22 | nvz | I have psuedo-transparent aterms on my root window that are matched to certain size, location, and depth and ignored by my wm.. and though I have a keybinding to move them.. I dont want to have to do that everytime I change the image on the root window |
| 10:24.25 | jm_ | marcin_ant: I am not saying you don't have it documented, I am just saying it's not in my man page |
| 10:24.27 | yang | Does anyone use moniwiki? |
| 10:24.31 | Mortalman | jm_: You were right about that /etc/Xwrapper.conf thing. hehe thanks |
| 10:24.38 | valdyn | intero: that a typo or are you really talking about emulation? |
| 10:24.41 | jm_ | Mortalman: it's in /etc/X11, not /etc |
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| 10:25.03 | intero | petemc: sorry i misread |
| 10:25.03 | possie_ | how can i easly see which process takes up the most memory? |
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| 10:25.04 | marcin_ant | jm_, ok, then I pasted a short description what this option does |
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| 10:25.05 | Mortalman | jm_: Umm, yeah. You know what I meant. lol |
| 10:25.10 | intero | valdyn: typo :P sorry |
| 10:25.18 | HaNazir | anyone know of a good movied editor for .avi files? |
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| 10:25.33 | marcin_ant | jm_, so.... add -r after -u user or replace -u user with -r? |
| 10:25.42 | valdyn | possie_: 'top' and 'shift-M' |
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| 10:25.58 | jm_ | marcin_ant: just add -r, see if it works, read man page to find out if there are any reasons not to |
| 10:26.10 | nvz | I wish I could figure out how to re-encode movies. I figured out the decoding to jpeg/png part.. and editing the frames.. but I havent really figured out how to put it back together. |
| 10:26.11 | marcin_ant | jm_, ok |
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| 10:26.35 | jm_ | nvz: mencoder man page has examples |
| 10:26.37 | doleyb | nvz: turn pngs into avi? easy |
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| 10:26.55 | valdyn | avidemux does that i guess |
| 10:26.56 | nvz | I guess you are better off using a real editor program anyhow so if you cut or whatever the audio gets edited too. |
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| 10:27.03 | doleyb | nvz: mencoder \*.png -mf on:fps=12 -o filename.avi |
| 10:27.07 | jm_ | Encode all *.jpg files in the current dir: |
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| 10:27.35 | nvz | but I am sure if I really wanted to edit a movie I would be apt enough to editing the audio stream too |
| 10:28.13 | kevix | time to go... ciao |
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| 10:28.46 | nvz | I never really had the need to do so, but I have tried it once just for the hell of it. |
| 10:29.15 | jm_ | I needed it last week because I can't get fucking [gx]vidcap to make a movie directly anymore |
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| 10:29.25 | jm_ | but it works when dumping a shitload of pictures instead |
| 10:30.48 | nvz | doleyb: would it work if say when I dump there are 8 or 12 identical frames and I ditch them all during editing to make editing simpler, then I just tell the encoder somehow to make each frame last longer os some shit?! |
| 10:31.29 | jm_ | you can keep identical frames, encoder will recognize this and create minimal differences for next frame |
| 10:32.07 | nvz | yeah but if I want to edit a frame and not its 12 identical frames then what?! I just copy the edited thing 12 times? |
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| 10:32.13 | jm_ | so file size won't be a problem - but maybe you only need to edit one and then replace all its duplicates with the edited pic |
| 10:32.17 | jm_ | yeah |
| 10:32.24 | nvz | when I put a frame into gimp to edit I dont want to edit 12 of them |
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| 10:33.31 | nvz | its really not that hard when you think about it I guess. |
| 10:33.45 | jm_ | no, just a lot of work |
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| 10:34.36 | jm_ | it's still a lot of work to edit the frames, even if you used Windows |
| 10:34.45 | jm_ | well tools for Windows |
| 10:35.05 | nvz | yeah but then you dont know wtf you are doing and suddenly thing you are some kind of fucking speilberg |
| 10:35.11 | jm_ | heh |
| 10:35.16 | nvz | Windows comes with a movie editor now IIRC |
| 10:35.20 | doleyb | nvz: you can do a little bash script to make 7 or 11 links to the same file with numbered names. That won't take space |
| 10:35.23 | jm_ | yeah, no idea how useful it is |
| 10:35.39 | nvz | doleyb: doesnt piss off the encoder? |
| 10:36.01 | doleyb | idk. If you want to edit a lot of frames, try the cinepaint package. |
| 10:36.04 | jm_ | I only worked with Adobe Premiere a bit, and with more professional gear from Matrox that could also drive Sony Beta recorder |
| 10:36.15 | hqs | hi,every one,I use debian and I want to know how to use the printer shared wit the "windows XP" |
| 10:36.23 | jm_ | sort of digital edit board |
| 10:36.37 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 10:36.37 | dpkg | hmm... cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 10:36.42 | valdyn | hqs: ^^^ |
| 10:36.53 | jm_ | hqs: you can print to Windows shared printers in Linux, the other way arround also works |
| 10:36.54 | liable | hqs: install the driver and use samba.. |
| 10:37.15 | nvz | my brother was bragging it up when he first got XP... I told him, now you realize linux pc's and MacOS pc's have been doing that for a fucking decade right? |
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| 10:37.53 | hqs | thanks for all, i will have a try |
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| 10:38.12 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe |
| 10:38.18 | nvz | nothing like waiting for the corporate market anal-ists to realize somethings potential before you can do it |
| 10:38.28 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 10:38.37 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
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| 10:38.48 | nvz | then putting commercials on tv making you think that they have always been into enabling you to do these things |
| 10:39.05 | liable | yes, but did average joe need to do it ten years ago? |
| 10:39.29 | simonrvn | they're really sad in a way, only after some marketroid spins up some pointless ad campaign do people realise the existence of something. |
| 10:39.33 | nvz | liable: go see simonrvn for the point of that rant, then beat yourself with it :P |
| 10:39.58 | simonrvn | sick, sick society... |
| 10:40.12 | nvz | that one commercial in particular sickens me with the girl who breaks up with her boyfriend |
| 10:40.37 | jm_ | heh they don't have ads on TV here, just printed media |
| 10:40.59 | nvz | says she's gonna write and produce a song about it on windows |
| 10:41.44 | nvz | I am just thinking to myself, am I gonna need 3rd party non-free wma or ra codecs to hear this crappy no-talent song. |
| 10:41.51 | simonrvn | oh those crappy things... *shudder*. i just now realised what you were ranting on about... |
| 10:43.10 | nvz | yeah them patronizing B.S. cannons that MS uses to market. |
| 10:43.15 | cheal | simonrvn: I already calculaled L'actualité magazine had over 5% of Microsoft advertisements. and horrible ads, of course. |
| 10:43.24 | simonrvn | eeeeew |
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| 10:44.01 | nomed | hi all |
| 10:44.11 | nvz | TAKE COVER!!! another steaming pile of Microsoft advertising BS incomming!!!! |
| 10:44.13 | simonrvn | l'actualité isn't exactly kosher in my book either. usually very conservative articles about all kinds of stuff. they're awful |
| 10:44.32 | simonrvn | hehe i giggle whenever i see "steaming pile" |
| 10:44.48 | simonrvn | in winter you often see them ;) |
| 10:44.53 | nvz | heh |
| 10:45.06 | nomed | i can use the -p opts in dpkg-reconfigure .. do you know what's the minimum priority value i can use? |
| 10:45.07 | jm_ | simorn;who from? |
| 10:45.14 | jm_ | gah stupid fingers |
| 10:45.20 | simonrvn | dog usually |
| 10:45.21 | cheal | simonrvn: they're not bad for me, but there are some articles not worth reading |
| 10:45.23 | simonrvn | gods* |
| 10:45.28 | jm_ | nomed: man page will tell you |
| 10:45.34 | jm_ | ahh dogs, I hate those |
| 10:45.34 | simonrvn | i can't stand them |
| 10:45.44 | simonrvn | (the articles) |
| 10:46.05 | nvz | oh well I got to go do some exercize before I end up sleeping instead like I did the past two mornings |
| 10:46.41 | simonrvn | i should've been in bed like 3 hours ago, i have to get up early saturday |
| 10:46.44 | nomed | jm_, i see just i can assign a value but i don't see the list of possiple values .. :/ |
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| 10:46.56 | jm_ | nomed: it says See debconf(7) for a list. |
| 10:46.59 | simonrvn | er, dogs, heh |
| 10:47.04 | nvz | simonrvn: its only quarter till 7am friday |
| 10:47.23 | nvz | simonrvn: even if you had to get up at 3am saturday, you've got plenty of time :P |
| 10:47.25 | simonrvn | i know, but it'll take me a day to re-adjust my body clock |
| 10:47.55 | nvz | simonrvn: its all in your head :) |
| 10:48.21 | simonrvn | going to bed and waking up at odd hours gives you this weird talent of being able to do exactly that, re-adjust the body clock |
| 10:48.37 | simonrvn | well, partly ;) |
| 10:48.46 | nvz | mind over matter. use the schwartz |
| 10:49.06 | simonrvn | use the schwartz, duke |
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| 10:49.34 | nvz | puke high talker |
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| 10:49.39 | yang | Are there any instruction on how to enable Options ExecCGI in debian apache |
| 10:50.05 | jm_ | with an editor |
| 10:50.21 | simonrvn | yang: yes. click "directives" and search for execcgi in the html docs |
| 10:50.24 | nvz | suits up for a morning ride to get his mind and body fit for the day |
| 10:50.28 | nkuttler | yang: there are good docs on apache.org |
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| 10:50.35 | simonrvn | or there |
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| 10:51.11 | kombi | how do install mod_rewrite for apache in debian? |
| 10:51.15 | kombi | you.. |
| 10:51.27 | yang | well i am searching on apache docs... |
| 10:51.28 | simonrvn | it's already there. you need to enable it in your conf(s) |
| 10:51.40 | kombi | ah, ok! |
| 10:51.40 | simonrvn | it's a core module |
| 10:51.43 | jm_ | kombi: you need to be rocket scientist -- you find out which package has it, you install the package |
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| 10:52.06 | kombi | jm_: smart you are.. no package for that though.. |
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| 10:52.13 | Guerin | kombi: you lie! |
| 10:52.20 | kombi | do I..? |
| 10:52.22 | Guerin | (or you're stupid ... you get to choose) |
| 10:52.30 | simonrvn | of course there is, apache[2] ;p |
| 10:52.34 | jm_ | kombi: so you're saying Debian doesn't ship mode_rewrite module for apache? how come it's being used on Debian systems? |
| 10:52.43 | jm_ | mod_rewrite* |
| 10:52.45 | Guerin | omg where did I get it from? |
| 10:53.00 | Guerin | maybe i was haxx0red by the Crazy Upgrade Fairies |
| 10:53.02 | jm_ | !tell kombi -about search |
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| 10:53.04 | kombi | calm down people.., simonrvn solved the issue |
| 10:53.05 | liable | warez.net? |
| 10:53.09 | simonrvn | apache2-common: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so |
| 10:53.32 | kombi | for certain reasons apache2 can't be used here |
| 10:53.48 | marcin_ant | jm_, sorry to bother but it's me again ;) |
| 10:53.48 | simonrvn | similar for apache |
| 10:53.57 | simonrvn | apache-common: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_rewrite.so |
| 10:54.09 | jm_ | you're spoiling all the fun |
| 10:54.11 | marcin_ant | jm_, next question - now my syslog works ok - I got remote connections |
| 10:54.13 | Guerin | /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_rewrite.so # wtf! |
| 10:54.21 | simonrvn | i know... me shut up now |
| 10:54.35 | marcin_ant | jm_, but all logs from remote machine goes to my syslog/messages/user logs |
| 10:54.40 | kombi | simonrvn: I know, I've done it many times conventionally, just thought there was some special debian way |
| 10:54.51 | marcin_ant | jm_, how can I split this and put remote logs to separate file? |
| 10:54.51 | jm_ | marcin_ant: yes, that's normal |
| 10:54.57 | jm_ | marcin_ant: syslog-ng |
| 10:55.23 | marcin_ant | jm_, replace syslog with syslog-ng, right? |
| 10:55.28 | jm_ | maybe I should install that too and split the logs, but then I'll have to modify my ctail configuration too |
| 10:55.44 | jm_ | marcin_ant: it will be automatically replaced |
| 10:55.56 | simonrvn | that's how i get a separate iptables log |
| 10:56.06 | marcin_ant | jm_, ok thanks for now |
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| 10:56.16 | marcin_ant | jm_, I need to try this thing |
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| 10:57.23 | jm_ | simonrvn: ahh that's easier solved using ulog |
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| 10:58.00 | simonrvn | yeh ulog is nice too |
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| 11:00.44 | simonrvn | i see the number of lurkers is getting back up to what it was |
| 11:01.16 | liable | taken a while.. |
| 11:01.30 | urupica | hi. i get the following error message: /usr/bin/emacs: /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/bin/emacs) |
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| 11:01.55 | urupica | not only for emacs but for all other binaries depending on libpng |
| 11:01.59 | Guerin | urupica: using what branch of debian? |
| 11:02.05 | jm_ | urupica: /usr/local/bin is not related to Debian |
| 11:02.06 | urupica | sarge |
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| 11:02.17 | Guerin | urupica: jm_ is right |
| 11:02.19 | jm_ | so we can't support the crap you put in there |
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| 11:02.39 | asuffield | especially when you install a bogus libpng |
| 11:03.02 | urupica | i didn't install it by myself |
| 11:03.22 | Guerin | urupica: no, the Magic Upgrade Fairy installed it for you |
| 11:03.53 | possie_ | when i purge a deb from my system, i still get it listed with dpkg -l foobar but with the 'rc' before it's name, how can i make sure that it gets completely uninstalled also from the dpkg list? |
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| 11:04.17 | Guerin | possie_: you didn't actually purge it. |
| 11:04.18 | jm_ | possie_: read the FAQ |
| 11:05.17 | possie_ | Guerin: sorry i mean 'pn' before it's name |
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| 11:05.43 | Guerin | possie_: that's normal after a purge. |
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| 11:05.53 | possie_ | Guerin: well i want it gone |
| 11:05.55 | Guerin | possie_: you might be able to edit the available file or something |
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| 11:06.11 | Guerin | possie_: why? because you installed shit you oughtn't have, and are covering your tracks? |
| 11:06.19 | jm_ | hehe |
| 11:06.33 | Guerin | apologies for being cynical, but there's absolutely no fucking reason to do any more than you have |
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| 11:06.56 | possie_ | Guerin: well i installed it, but some other package i want to install have conflicts with this package, and this installed only check in the form of dpkg -l foobar; installed=$? |
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| 11:07.06 | possie_ | stupid installed ofcourse |
| 11:07.24 | jm_ | that's not a Debian package then |
| 11:07.25 | Guerin | possie_: which package? Not a debian package made by anyone even vaguely competent. |
| 11:07.33 | possie_ | jm_: nope indeed |
| 11:07.43 | jm_ | possie_: tell them to revise their check |
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| 11:08.01 | Guerin | possie_: and in any cae, you can edit the preinst or whatever file is making that check - which should be a Conflicts: anyway |
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| 11:08.17 | possie_ | jm_: i will, but i need to installs this package, so it would be handy for me now, to be able to complete remove it from dpkg, instead of reinstalling my debian installation |
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| 11:08.27 | jm_ | possie_: do it the way Guerin mentioned |
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| 11:08.35 | ovanoide | hello |
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| 11:08.45 | possie_ | ... it's a binary |
| 11:08.51 | possie_ | nevermind, i'll reinstall |
| 11:09.01 | ovanoide | I'm looking for debian kernel 2.6.8-2-386 SOURCE ..... |
| 11:09.07 | ovanoide | i can't find it |
| 11:09.10 | resiak | possie_: Edit something in /var/lib/dpkg/ ? |
| 11:09.12 | ovanoide | who can help me ? |
| 11:09.16 | liable | just edit the staus file.. |
| 11:09.19 | jm_ | a binary? not even a shell script? hw did you figure out it runs dpkg -l? you could fool it with dpkg shell script |
| 11:09.23 | resiak | ovanoide: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 11:09.23 | liable | *status. |
| 11:09.38 | ovanoide | there isn't the same kernel . |
| 11:09.41 | antgel | ovanoide: what have you tried in order to find it? |
| 11:09.44 | resiak | ovanoide: Yes, there is. |
| 11:09.44 | ovanoide | I already tried |
| 11:09.54 | resiak | ovanoide: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 11:10.09 | resiak | ovanoide: (Yes, that _is_ the same source.) |
| 11:10.09 | antgel | ovanoide: are you sure you should be compiling a kernel if you can't work this out? |
| 11:10.16 | ovanoide | i'm tryiing...... |
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| 11:10.34 | possie_ | resiak: thanks! that did the trick :-) |
| 11:10.52 | ovanoide | i need the kernel source because |
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| 11:11.00 | ovanoide | i have to install Asterisk on a Debian |
| 11:11.12 | antgel | ovanoide: asterisk is in debian |
| 11:11.17 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting an error when I update repositories in aptitude - it's on a file relating to marillat - is this known about/expected? |
| 11:11.21 | ovanoide | apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 11:11.26 | resiak | !tell ovanoide -about entre |
| 11:11.27 | resiak | !tell ovanoide -about enter |
| 11:11.28 | antgel | does nobody try to do things the debian way? |
| 11:11.34 | resiak | antgel: No. |
| 11:11.43 | resiak | ovanoide: apt-cache search asterisk |
| 11:11.54 | ovanoide | no |
| 11:11.56 | resiak | EmleyMoor: Marillat's down ATM, I think |
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| 11:12.07 | ovanoide | i don't want apt-get packages for asterisk at all |
| 11:12.15 | resiak | ... |
| 11:12.17 | ovanoide | i don't have to use them |
| 11:12.17 | resiak | Why not?! |
| 11:12.28 | resiak | !marillat mirrors |
| 11:12.28 | dpkg | "deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/apt-proxy/marillat stable main" "deb http://debian.nsu.ru/mirrors/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main" |
| 11:12.30 | ovanoide | because with apt i get asterisk 1.0.5 |
| 11:12.38 | ovanoide | and i want to install asterisk 1.0.7 |
| 11:12.39 | ovanoide | ok ? |
| 11:12.43 | ovanoide | so |
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| 11:12.44 | liable | ovanoide: and thereby loose support from #debian.. |
| 11:12.50 | resiak | !tell ovanoide -about enter |
| 11:12.53 | fireba11 | ovanoide: :-D |
| 11:13.02 | resiak | ovanoide: Why do you need to recompile your _kernel_ to get Asterisk? |
| 11:13.15 | ovanoide | i don't need to ricompile my kernel to get asterisk |
| 11:13.23 | EmleyMoor | I try to avoid installing .deb-available software outwith the Debian way |
| 11:13.27 | ovanoide | asterisk needs kernel-source for compiling itself |
| 11:13.35 | antgel | ovanoide: 1.0.7 is in stable. please sort yourself out here! |
| 11:13.36 | resiak | ovanoide: Lies. It needs the kernel headers |
| 11:13.40 | EmleyMoor | (however, sometimes, stuff gets out of date) |
| 11:14.03 | resiak | ovanoide: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 kernel-headers-2.6; done. |
| 11:14.06 | antgel | ovanoide: http://packages.debian.org/stable/comm/asterisk |
| 11:14.40 | fbi | EmleyMoor: last time i tried to get a package from marillat, i could not connect until i changed 'stable' to 'sarge' |
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| 11:15.00 | Guerin | marillat has changed alll the sources to their codenames |
| 11:15.06 | ovanoide | resiak, with kernel-image-2.6 i install another kernel... |
| 11:15.09 | Guerin | so no more stable, testing, unstable |
| 11:15.18 | Guerin | only sarge, etch, sid |
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| 11:15.37 | fbi | ah well that might be why then |
| 11:15.42 | resiak | Guerin: Cheers. |
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| 11:15.55 | Guerin | !beer resiak |
| 11:15.57 | fbi | i've had 'stable' in my sources.list for months, then all of a sudden i couldn't connect |
| 11:16.01 | antgel | ovanoide: 1.0.7 IS IN STABLE |
| 11:16.02 | Guerin | cheers to you, mate |
| 11:16.04 | resiak | ovanoide: Which means your 2.6 is out of date, and hence you should gte the new one. |
| 11:16.07 | Guerin | arr! |
| 11:16.08 | Guerin | etc. |
| 11:16.09 | resiak | !beer Guerin |
| 11:16.12 | resiak | Hahah |
| 11:16.17 | Guerin | Piraat! Arr! |
| 11:16.21 | ovanoide | ah, ok, sorry but i'm a newbie :) |
| 11:16.24 | resiak | !talk like a pirate |
| 11:16.27 | resiak | :( |
| 11:16.35 | antgel | ovanoide: no excuse how to read the channel |
| 11:16.38 | ovanoide | what does it mean ? IN STABLE ? |
| 11:16.41 | antgel | s/how/not |
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| 11:16.55 | Guerin | !tell ovanoide about releases |
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| 11:17.19 | antgel | jesus. ovanoide, perhaps if you run debian, you should learn about it? /msg dpkg reference |
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| 11:18.10 | EmleyMoor | ovanoide: Have you done an apt-get update/aptitude update since you installed? |
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| 11:18.16 | ovanoide | yes |
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| 11:18.51 | antgel | !tell ovanoide about grounding |
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| 11:19.47 | EmleyMoor | Is there a Debian compatible repository that has last month's wine? (can get July's but that can't access the Internet for me) |
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| 11:20.23 | liable | debian snapshot. |
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| 11:20.33 | ovanoide | ma andate a cagare tutti quanti !!! |
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| 11:20.55 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 11:21.45 | pandrew | Hello. I managed to configure my printer with CUPS. I printed a test page and it worked. The only problem i have is that my printer does not appear in Kword's printer list. Wath can i do? |
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| 11:22.49 | fireba11 | liable: no clue .. sounds like swearing to me though |
| 11:22.55 | antgel | pandrew: does it appear in kde's printer list (i assume it has one as kde and gnome like to replicate functionality) |
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| 11:25.03 | pandrew | sorry, i just realized that i need to click "Collapse" and select "Print system Currently used: CUPS" |
| 11:25.06 | enyc | Anybody here know about using 'ibcs' or 'linux-abi' compatibility in linux kernel ? |
| 11:25.20 | pandrew | sorry for rushing to ask |
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| 11:25.38 | drowning_to_deat | can anyone here help me with my network for knoppix? |
| 11:25.51 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 11:25.51 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 11:26.19 | drowning_to_deat | ben there but no one answers |
| 11:26.32 | drowning_to_deat | but i think its a debian base |
| 11:26.37 | resiak | !they don't know |
| 11:26.37 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:26.39 | resiak | !based on debian |
| 11:26.40 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 11:27.01 | drowning_to_deat | :( |
| 11:27.08 | drowning_to_deat | ppl are so rude here |
| 11:27.23 | fbi | what's rude about not supporting something that has nothing to do with the channel? |
| 11:27.24 | cheal | heh, they don't know is pretty rude |
| 11:27.30 | drowning_to_deat | only want to seek help . |
| 11:27.44 | antgel | liable: it's something like "they went and shat all over everyone" |
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| 11:28.31 | dondelelcaro | drowning_to_deat: #knoppix is the place to get help with knoppix; we really can't support it here. |
| 11:28.32 | antgel | drowning_to_deat: why not seek help from your distro support? if your distro support is no good, perhaps you should consider installing debian linux |
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| 11:29.36 | drowning_to_deat | i am downloading is but it will take maybe a month to finish it |
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| 11:30.26 | resiak | drowning_to_deat: Well, the Debian answer to your question would be "`man interfaces`, `vim /etc/network/interfaces`, ls /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/". |
| 11:30.39 | dondelelcaro | drowning_to_deat: you only need the netinst iso; if 140M takes that long to download, consider purchasing a set of discs |
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| 11:30.56 | cheal | netinst is more 110 M even |
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| 11:31.11 | rss | !ian murdoch |
| 11:31.11 | dpkg | well, ian murdoch is debian's founder |
| 11:31.17 | streuner | 20 MB /hour on dialup is ok |
| 11:31.21 | rss | see dpkg is wrong |
| 11:31.29 | cheal | but if it takes that long, perhaps netinst isn't worth CD #1 |
| 11:31.30 | rss | !ian murdock |
| 11:31.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, ian murdock is the creator of debian, who then went on to create Progeny |
| 11:31.34 | streuner | dpkg, 24x20 |
| 11:31.48 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: forget ian murdoch |
| 11:31.49 | dpkg | i forgot ian murdoch, dondelelcaro |
| 11:32.13 | streuner | dpkg, 24*20 |
| 11:32.13 | dpkg | 480 |
| 11:32.16 | drowning_to_deat | OMG. tnx anyway |
| 11:32.49 | streuner | 480 MB is enough to download netinstall plus a window manager plus X-server and a few apps you usually need |
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| 11:32.59 | rss | dondelelcaro, :) |
| 11:33.00 | streuner | and that's within 1 day |
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| 11:33.40 | streuner | the whole question IS how much is in your country 24 hour dialup... |
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| 11:37.09 | _bong_on | anyone talk in here? |
| 11:37.20 | streuner | atm? no |
| 11:37.21 | cheal | _bong_on: we're sleeping |
| 11:37.25 | antgel | _bong_on: no, just here for the laugh |
| 11:37.26 | _bong_on | cool |
| 11:37.27 | streuner | only idlers ;-) |
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| 11:38.43 | hutgyyr | the new drives yesterday that I installed have been set-up in samba to be writable. However, I still cannot do this from a remote machine |
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| 11:39.08 | vmx | hi! gthumb stopped displaying thumbs. what could be wrong? |
| 11:39.14 | hutgyyr | what could be the problem? |
| 11:39.21 | streuner | vmx: unstable? |
| 11:39.22 | antgel | is it sunday? |
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| 11:39.35 | vmx | streuner: no testing |
| 11:39.39 | hutgyyr | do I need to specify the drive as writable somewhere else |
| 11:39.45 | streuner | vmx: what does BTS say about? |
| 11:40.11 | vmx | streuner: ups sorry, i'll check |
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| 11:41.02 | streuner | vmx: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:41.22 | streuner | dpkg info gthumb testing |
| 11:41.32 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'gthumb' does not exist. |
| 11:41.42 | guven | hi, how do i have to edit /etc/apt.conf when i have to use a http-proxy? |
| 11:41.57 | streuner | ... |
| 11:42.04 | jm_ | guven: is someone pointing a gun at your head forcing you to do so? |
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| 11:42.26 | fireba11 | jm_ ^^ |
| 11:42.48 | guven | jm_: yes, not my own decision |
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| 11:42.58 | jm_ | guven: sorry I read it as do I - you edit it with an editor |
| 11:43.15 | vmx | streuner: 2.3.5-6. bts says nothing |
| 11:43.18 | antgel | guven: why haven't you read the manual? |
| 11:43.43 | jm_ | guven: you can find it in sample preferences file |
| 11:43.44 | fbi | that's odd, i found gthumb on stable, and testing/unstable |
| 11:43.51 | fbi | why is dpkg not finding info for it? |
| 11:43.58 | cheal | fbi: looks broken |
| 11:44.09 | fbi | aye. |
| 11:44.40 | cheal | same for libc6 |
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| 11:44.42 | antgel | !info base-config testing |
| 11:44.47 | dpkg | base-config: (Debian base system configurator), section admin, is important. Version: 2.71 (etch), Packaged size: 254 kB, Installed size: 1448 kB |
| 11:44.51 | guven | antgel: where can i find it? |
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| 11:45.06 | cheal | hmf |
| 11:45.08 | jm_ | info gthumb testing |
| 11:45.10 | jm_ | gah |
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| 11:45.26 | jm_ | pretty strange ;) |
| 11:45.28 | guven | antgel: okay i know |
| 11:45.35 | antgel | guven: man apt.conf. /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 11:45.44 | jm_ | guven: in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples ... and in man page |
| 11:45.55 | guven | thx |
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| 11:47.39 | coltrane | bonjour |
| 11:48.32 | drowning_to_deat | wats the terminal command for netwrok configuration? plss |
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| 11:48.47 | Morti | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:48.57 | Morti | As root. |
| 11:48.58 | fireba11 | Morti: ^^ |
| 11:49.00 | Eclipser | !pls |
| 11:49.00 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 11:49.13 | streuner | drowning_to_deat: it makes no sense using knoppix and asking for help in #debian |
| 11:49.16 | Morti | fireba11: ?? |
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| 11:49.37 | Daedalus_ | drowning_to_deat: ifconfig |
| 11:49.50 | fireba11 | Morti: i think he wanted something like the installer .. |
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| 11:50.11 | drowning_to_deat | the wat Daedalus_? |
| 11:50.39 | Daedalus_ | drowning_to_deat: ifconfig is the terminal command |
| 11:50.46 | Daedalus_ | And please speak normally |
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| 11:50.59 | jc__ | good morningn |
| 11:51.00 | jc__ | good morning |
| 11:51.04 | drowning_to_deat | sorry |
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| 11:51.11 | jc__ | Someone uses Jail Chroot ? |
| 11:51.17 | drowning_to_deat | wat to do next Daedalus_? |
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| 11:51.23 | antgel | !tell jc__ about ask |
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| 11:51.32 | antgel | drowning_to_deat: please type english |
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| 11:52.10 | DotHack | the mount command in mountall.sh return 32 as error but nothing seems to be wrong! Now i get this ugly red failed while booting |
| 11:52.11 | jc__ | I have problems for implement Jail Chroot for limit user under ssh |
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| 11:52.15 | drowning_to_deat | sorry. what should i type in the terminal to obtain ip automaticaly |
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| 11:52.32 | antgel | DotHack: i didn't know debian has colours on boot |
| 11:52.33 | jm_ | jc__: it's not practical to do so |
| 11:52.35 | sep | !chroot ssh |
| 11:52.35 | dpkg | [ssh chroot] Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
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| 11:52.59 | antgel | drowning_to_deat: will you please stop asking for support for knoppix in #debian |
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| 11:53.01 | jm_ | you could use rbash as something simple |
| 11:53.11 | jc__ | I need restrict ssh for a only ping command and a script |
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| 11:53.17 | DotHack | antgel, according to /lib/lsb/init-functions it does |
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| 11:53.42 | drowning_to_deat | im asking for the terminal command not for anything |
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| 11:53.48 | antgel | DotHack: i don't know what that file is |
| 11:53.52 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 11:54.10 | DotHack | antgel, nm |
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| 11:54.46 | DotHack | anyone know why my mount -av give a error 32 while it seems tobe aok |
| 11:54.47 | jm_ | jc__: apt-cache show scponly |
| 11:55.23 | antgel | DotHack: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 11:55.45 | DotHack | un libc5 <none> (no description available) |
| 11:55.47 | streuner | vmx: try to purge the config files and restall the app again |
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| 11:56.02 | antgel | DotHack: libc6, not 5 |
| 11:56.02 | DotHack | ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 11:56.05 | DotHack | oops |
| 11:56.11 | vmx | streuner: i will, when i upgraded my system |
| 11:56.12 | streuner | vmx: s/restall/reinstall/ |
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| 11:57.30 | pabloz | s |
| 11:58.05 | bob2 | I wouldn't be jumping to assumptions about libc6 based on a mount error |
| 11:58.10 | bob2 | I'd be reading dmesg |
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| 11:58.24 | antgel | bob2: indeed, i lost it for a sec |
| 11:58.30 | petemc | people are often confused about what mount -a can actually do |
| 11:58.39 | DotHack | bob2, theres nothing significant in dmesg as i said all seems to be fine |
| 11:58.55 | bob2 | heh |
| 11:59.23 | pabloz | q |
| 11:59.31 | antgel | DotHack: what if you do mount -a once the system has booted |
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| 12:00.04 | DotHack | antgel, its fine code 0 |
| 12:00.05 | antgel | DotHack: and it would be nice to see /etc/fstab |
| 12:00.21 | antgel | grr |
| 12:00.22 | DotHack | antgel, where do i paste again? |
| 12:00.24 | nkuttler | !tel zOrK about away |
| 12:00.29 | nkuttler | !tell zOrK about away |
| 12:00.36 | zOrK | ? |
| 12:00.36 | antgel | DotHack: /topic? |
| 12:00.45 | zOrK | !tell zOrK about away |
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| 12:00.54 | zOrK | oh, sorry |
| 12:00.56 | nkuttler | zOrK: /msg the bot |
| 12:01.04 | zOrK | i even knew |
| 12:01.07 | drowning_to_deat | anyone played ragnarok here? |
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| 12:01.30 | zOrK | noup, just sc3u -> www.xat.tie.cl/roles.png |
| 12:01.39 | DotHack | in flood |
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| 12:02.35 | pabloz | j have one question |
| 12:02.36 | antgel | DotHack: you need to tell us first. generally, prefer pastebin |
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| 12:03.07 | pabloz | j would like learn to programing (sorry, mu english is bad) |
| 12:03.29 | pabloz | which language is simple to start |
| 12:03.30 | DotHack | http://channels.debian.net/paste/758 |
| 12:03.40 | pabloz | perl, c or c++ or java |
| 12:03.42 | zOrK | pabloz: yeap |
| 12:03.44 | nkuttler | pabloz: what do you want to do? |
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| 12:03.49 | zOrK | estem, c |
| 12:04.02 | bob2 | pabloz: python's quite simple |
| 12:04.07 | bob2 | pabloz: what's your native language? |
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| 12:04.35 | pabloz | my native is polish |
| 12:04.42 | nkuttler | pabloz: there is #debian.pl |
| 12:05.11 | pabloz | zOrk , why ??? |
| 12:05.22 | DotHack | antgel, http://channels.debian.net/paste/758 |
| 12:05.27 | valdyn | pabloz: for a beginner: java |
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| 12:06.00 | cheal | pabloz: some recommend python to begin |
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| 12:06.08 | marcin_ant | nkuttler, #debian.pl is pretty dead |
| 12:06.16 | pabloz | hmmm, .... |
| 12:06.21 | antgel | pabloz: depends what you want to do. they are all good for different things |
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| 12:07.20 | pabloz | antgel: small aplication for terminal , exacly .. |
| 12:07.39 | antgel | pabloz: to do what? |
| 12:08.04 | pabloz | exacly=example sorry |
| 12:09.09 | pabloz | antgel: frontend for sql database .. |
| 12:09.33 | antgel | DotHack: can't help. perhaps it's a bug? |
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| 12:10.12 | marcin_ant | pabloz, and you need this frontend on terminal only? |
| 12:10.15 | valdyn | pabloz: you dont seriously want to start learning programming like that.. |
| 12:10.37 | valdyn | pabloz: that already requires 2 languages.. ( sql + whatever ) |
| 12:10.54 | marcin_ant | pabloz, is this for web or something? |
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| 12:12.10 | karma1 | I cant seem to pass port 80 thru my router and/or firewall -- I've opened up the port via iptables and completely disabled my router firewall and also enabled DMZ via my router, but it still wont allow outside connections. I've emailed my ISP to check and see if port 80 is blocked through them, but I doubt it. |
| 12:12.16 | pabloz | no fro terminal only |
| 12:12.24 | pabloz | fro =from |
| 12:12.45 | valdyn | karma1: "opening" is the wrong term, you want to 'forward' that port to your webserver. |
| 12:13.27 | valdyn | karma1: ^^^ on your firewall |
| 12:13.58 | valdyn | karma1: so that is an explicit action by your firewall/router, so disabling it wont do any good |
| 12:14.00 | antgel | pabloz: i would start with java, provides lots of building blocks and doesn't provide you with rope to hang yourself |
| 12:14.10 | karma1 | valdyn: ahh, how would I go upon doing so? |
| 12:14.36 | valdyn | karma1: you router runs what os? |
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| 12:15.06 | marcin_ant | pabloz, I agree with antgel that java could be nice but propably python will be faster and no problems with licensing/distribution |
| 12:15.49 | karma1 | valdyn: not sure, it's a linksys wireless-g |
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| 12:16.21 | antgel | karma1: why not use router web gui, not iptables |
| 12:16.32 | pabloz | thanks .. hmm |
| 12:16.41 | valdyn | karma1: so read its documentation, i dont know linksys stuff ( and it sure doesnt run debian ;) ). Anyway, forward port 80 to your webserver on that router, and keep port 80 open on your webservers builtin firewall |
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| 12:17.07 | valdyn | karma1: 2nd is what you already did, as I understand it. |
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| 12:17.32 | karma1 | valdyn: yup, i shall try the 1st, thanks for the info |
| 12:18.12 | antgel | valdyn: also, turn your router firewall back on and dmz off. if you don't know what a dmz is, don't switch it on |
| 12:18.31 | valdyn | karma1: ^^^ |
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| 12:18.42 | antgel | oops :) |
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| 12:23.35 | l4vim | hello, is anybody uses Marvell 88SX6081 SATA controller ? I want to know is it works fine with 2.6.x kernel |
| 12:23.45 | Shadowcat | so try the 2.6 kernel |
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| 12:24.17 | jm_ | l4vim: Linux SATA page will tell you if it works or not |
| 12:24.27 | l4vim | funny - I want to buy it, but until I do this I want to know is that idea is good - I have 6300ESB on other machine and it's sucks |
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| 12:25.28 | l4vim | jm_ : URL, please ? |
| 12:25.52 | jm_ | l4vim: google knows it |
| 12:26.35 | valdyn | l4vim: driver for that controller was added only very recently |
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| 12:28.50 | l4vim | " real hardware RAID. Uses a Marvell 88SX6081 chip. Compatible with Linux's megaraid2 driver." |
| 12:28.59 | fireba11 | i installed debian postgresql package .. not it seems the username root is not defined in postgres .. how come ? |
| 12:29.17 | Gathond | fireba11: why would it ? |
| 12:29.29 | jm_ | fireba11: maybe you should read some postgresql docs |
| 12:29.30 | Gathond | fireba11: postgres does not (as mysql) have a user called root |
| 12:29.36 | fireba11 | Gathond: how do i access it the to create users ? |
| 12:29.44 | antgel | jm_: outrageous suggestion :P |
| 12:29.52 | Gathond | which frankly I always found somewhat silly, since that root is not actually root |
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| 12:30.07 | antgel | fireba11: MAY I SUGGEST THAT YOU GO AND READ THE MANUAL, WHICH MAY WELL CONTAIN THAT INFORMATION |
| 12:30.26 | fireba11 | antgel: would not have asked if i found it |
| 12:30.34 | valdyn | l4vim: oh, I meant 'CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_MV', not idea about the other |
| 12:30.47 | antgel | fireba11: can't believe you looked very far |
| 12:30.53 | antgel | s/far/hard |
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| 12:31.07 | Gathond | fireba11: the postgres user can iirc login without password from the local machine (as long as its the system user postgres doing it) |
| 12:31.54 | l4vim | valdyn : if I understand you, you say that you have that controler and works fine with SATA_MV driver (on 2.6.x) ? |
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| 12:32.20 | valdyn | l4vim: no, im saying it was only added very recently ( maybe 2.6.14-rc1 ) |
| 12:32.20 | fireba11 | Gathond: ah .. |
| 12:32.28 | Gathond | fireba11: /usr/share/doc/postgresql-8.0/README.Debian.gz I believe that contains the information as to the basic default config |
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| 12:33.26 | pandrew | Hello. Is this one correct for iptables?(I want no firewall on lo, and on anything else i only want to accept only port 80) : iptables -F INPUT;iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT;iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -i !lo; |
| 12:33.43 | l4vim | valdyn : ok, now I understand |
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| 12:36.26 | fireba11 | Gathond: sorry, it's ym first time trying to use postgresql .. tried to connect to the database and add user via sql then .. |
| 12:37.06 | verdeter_ | http://verdeter02.skyblog.com |
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| 12:38.01 | TyreseJones | Is anyone else getting DOS attempts on thier gateways, my server is getting hammered at the moment |
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| 12:38.22 | jm_ | wtf |
| 12:38.23 | antgel | TyreseJones: some people probably are |
| 12:38.56 | TyreseJones | i know that there is a new beagle varient flying around |
| 12:39.15 | antgel | the first flying dog in history |
| 12:39.24 | By-Tor | Fuckin spammers. |
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| 12:39.27 | cahoot | antgel: laika |
| 12:39.37 | By-Tor | God I hate the hosting business. |
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| 12:40.16 | antgel | cahoot: :) |
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| 12:41.26 | TyreseJones | By-Tor- I know - they are REALLY slowing down my link - and it's coming from hundreds of diffrent IP addresses. |
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| 12:41.39 | TyreseJones | My ISP should get it's shit together and block those attempts |
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| 12:42.25 | ircops | allo there all, and a good mornin' to ya |
| 12:42.36 | antgel | cor blimey |
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| 12:49.02 | olorin | hello, has someone of you tried to compile xcompmgr & transset under debian testing ? i encounter some problem ... |
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| 12:49.32 | fbi | olorin: there are unofficial packages for those, you don't need to compile anything. |
| 12:50.17 | olorin | fbi: of course but i dont want to broke the packaging system |
| 12:50.30 | fbi | olorin: huh? |
| 12:50.48 | ivalladt | fbi: he's talking of installing unnoficial packages |
| 12:51.09 | ivalladt | olorin: you aren't breaking the packaging system by installing some of them |
| 12:51.11 | fbi | oooooookkkkk. |
| 12:51.28 | olorin | ivalladt: and the dependencies ? |
| 12:52.00 | fbi | olorin: last time i played with xcompmgr and transset, there were no dependencies. |
| 12:52.31 | fbi | add the unofficial repo. install packages. remove unofficial repo. |
| 12:53.04 | olorin | fbi: ivalladt ok, so could you please tell me the url of this unofficial repo ? |
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| 12:53.10 | ivalladt | are xcompmgr and transset no-free? |
| 12:53.17 | fbi | olorin: Google will know. |
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| 12:53.23 | ivalladt | olorin: I don't know the url, it was fbi who talked about it |
| 12:53.48 | olorin | fbi: ivalladt thx |
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| 12:54.46 | AssAssIn41 | Something with my CD-ROM goes wrong |
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| 12:55.52 | AssAssIn41 | I put CD into the ROM, but I can't get it out |
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| 12:56.07 | ivalladt | AssAssIn41: use eject |
| 12:56.20 | AssAssIn41 | ivalladt I tried :" |
| 12:56.22 | AssAssIn41 | :' |
| 12:56.28 | cahoot | AssAssIn41: does fuser -v /dev/cdrom return anything? |
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| 12:57.26 | AssAssIn41 | I don't know (I am linux begginer and I don't know everything about) |
| 12:57.40 | AssAssIn41 | but I learn a lot |
| 12:57.50 | cahoot | AssAssIn41: type fuser -v /dev/cdrom in a term |
| 12:57.53 | AssAssIn41 | I just tried butto on CD rom |
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| 12:58.22 | fbi | AssAssIn41: type 'eject' in a terminal |
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| 12:58.40 | AssAssIn41 | I'll do, but now I'am not under the Linux |
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| 13:00.34 | rjalex | aptitude upgrade shows a list of 46 packages it wants to upgrade. How can obtain a compact list with the version of the current installed and what aptitude wants to upgrade to ? Thank you |
| 13:00.54 | rjalex | that would be easy with synaptic :) |
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| 13:01.24 | AssAssIn41 | SO thx for help |
| 13:01.46 | AssAssIn41 | I'll try it later |
| 13:01.50 | AssAssIn41 | BYE |
| 13:02.02 | rjalex | aptitude question ... found solution .... enter "v" at the Y/n/? prompt |
| 13:02.12 | possie | what happend to the --check option in iptables? |
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| 13:02.30 | mjk64 | rjalex: ah cool, didn't know that yet =) |
| 13:02.44 | rjalex | maybe aptitude should add a ... to the Y/n/? prompt ? |
| 13:02.56 | rjalex | mjk64: yes, nice |
| 13:03.21 | mjk64 | rjalex: There is a "..." in the prompt after execution of apt-listbugs, I think. |
| 13:03.50 | rjalex | mjk64: does apt-listbugs REALLY work for you ? |
| 13:04.05 | rjalex | in my experience is showed a lot of "false positives" |
| 13:04.22 | rjalex | I just stopped using it even though I find the idea VERY intelligent |
| 13:04.31 | mjk64 | rjalex: well, it may not always work as expected :-) |
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| 13:05.04 | mjk64 | rjalex: today it reported grave bugs in python-apt, but that applied only to someone who had Debian testing installed |
| 13:05.21 | rjalex | mjk64: I understand |
| 13:05.25 | mjk64 | rjalex: The manual page of apt-listbugs points to these unexpected results ... |
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| 13:06.03 | rjalex | mjk64: in my experience 99% of the bugs shown did not apply to my situation and therfore I had got into the habit of always saying Yes ... |
| 13:06.05 | mjk64 | rjalex: So you should also have package "reportbug" installed, so that you can easily enter the given bug numbers at the aptitude cmd line prompt and see for yourself if the bugs apply for you |
| 13:06.10 | avallark | hi all :) |
| 13:06.16 | mjk64 | rjalex: oh I c .. |
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| 13:06.39 | rjalex | oh yes apt-listbugs + reportbugs : great idea but in the end for me useless :) |
| 13:06.48 | mjk64 | rjalex: Oh well ... :-} |
| 13:07.10 | avallark | how do you simulate the active desktop thingy we have in windows on the debian desktop? |
| 13:07.15 | avallark | is it possible? |
| 13:07.19 | mjk64 | rjalex: I have yet to check if it's a good solution for myself (installed it today and I'm totally new to Debian) |
| 13:08.16 | rjalex | mjk64: I use debian for a long time now, used gentoo, suse, redhat and played with a few others but always come back to mummy (Debian) :) |
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| 13:08.38 | rjalex | ok goodbye to all |
| 13:08.47 | enyc | rjal: well... |
| 13:09.01 | rjalex | enyc: ? |
| 13:09.06 | enyc | rjal: gentoo is useful for some circumstances but annoying to maintain/update... |
| 13:09.07 | mjk64 | rjalex: :-) |
| 13:09.09 | mjk64 | rjalex: bye |
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| 13:09.18 | rjalex | enyc: I agree |
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| 13:09.28 | rjalex | ok ciao from rome |
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| 13:09.37 | enyc | rjal: suse agressively installs all sorts of commecial things and mess on the system, and is all buggy particuarl when you come to update/change anything |
| 13:09.40 | enyc | o well ;p |
| 13:10.05 | avallark | can we add on html elements onto the desktop, like active desktop on windows? is this possible? |
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| 13:10.09 | By-Tor | Debian is all you need ;) |
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| 13:10.50 | By-Tor | Well, I need my customized Knoppix too, but thats really just Debian anyway isnt it? |
| 13:10.51 | creature | Hi. I really like the way Debian does that auto-menu thingy, so when I apt-get stuff it appears in the menus automatically. But I've installed a couple of apps that don't have Debian packages. Anyway I can tell Debian that they're there so they appear in the menu? |
| 13:10.55 | j0bezone | avallark, I don't know :/ Never had a use to it |
| 13:11.10 | apt-get | someone say my name? |
| 13:11.20 | By-Tor | apt-get rulez |
| 13:11.29 | apt-get | By-Tor: thank you. |
| 13:12.02 | By-Tor | So tell me, is aptitude going to replace apt? |
| 13:12.11 | apt-get | never |
| 13:12.19 | mixmatch | haha hope not |
| 13:12.33 | Gathond | i think that is the general idea |
| 13:12.48 | Gathond | luckily aptitude and apt-get is cmd line syntax equivalent |
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| 13:13.07 | orbitaleclipse | hi, how do I unzip .bz2? |
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| 13:13.18 | creature | orbitaleclipse - tar xjvf /path/to/file.bz2 |
| 13:13.23 | By-Tor | Well, just for kiks and giggles, I ran aptitude dist-upgrade to see if its any different, and it wanted to do like 20 things that apt didn't "catch" |
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| 13:13.31 | Althaser | orbitaleclipse tar jxvf file.bz2 |
| 13:13.32 | creature | Well, presuming it's a tarball too. |
| 13:13.39 | orbitaleclipse | .diff.bz2 |
| 13:13.47 | Gathond | orbitaleclipse: bunzip2 file |
| 13:13.47 | By-Tor | bunzip2 whatever.diff.bz2 |
| 13:13.48 | avallark | By-Tor: Do not do dist-upgrades |
| 13:13.49 | mjk64 | orbitaleclipse: bzip2 -d blah.bz2 |
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| 13:14.07 | minimec | Hi I have a question about network and route. I just configured a wlan connection between my laptop and my desktop. The desktop config is ok. I am using this computer as gateway for different clients. When I start the wlan on my Laptop (ifup wlan0) if have no connection, but the wlan-adapters do 'see' each other. When I want to check the gateway with 'route' it takes about 30seconds to show me the default gateway. Why is that? |
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| 13:14.13 | avallark | By-Tor: in case ur apt sources contain unsable sources, it can be fatal |
| 13:14.41 | By-Tor | heh, I've done dist-upgrade with apt for 5 years, hasn't been fatal yet ;) |
| 13:14.43 | mixmatch | now who would be dumb enough to do that? |
| 13:14.44 | abrotman | !tell avallark about ur |
| 13:14.59 | avallark | By-Tor: well then you 've been jus plain lucky |
| 13:15.01 | By-Tor | avallark: I'm totally on Sid too, if that makes a difference. |
| 13:15.13 | orbitaleclipse | okay, I done bunzip2, now what about the .diff? |
| 13:15.24 | orbitaleclipse | I'm trying to setup bootsplash. |
| 13:15.26 | mjk64 | orbitaleclipse: apply it using "patch" |
| 13:15.26 | avallark | By-Tor: sid is stable dude! |
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| 13:15.35 | By-Tor | avallark: You betcha. |
| 13:15.35 | abrotman | avallark: it is NOT |
| 13:15.47 | abrotman | sid is unstable |
| 13:15.51 | cahoot | abrotman: spoisport |
| 13:15.55 | cahoot | abrotman: spoilsport |
| 13:15.56 | antgel | !tell orbitaleclipse about unix lessons |
| 13:15.56 | mjk64 | orbitaleclipse: the diff should come with installation instructions ... |
| 13:16.18 | By-Tor | Sid hasn't failed me yet. The few problems that pop up I can deal with. |
| 13:16.39 | avallark | By-Tor: unstable dist-upgrades can bring you down.. it pulls in packages with release level bugs .. or so i have been told ..have had bitter experiences with unstable dist-upgrades |
| 13:16.40 | By-Tor | I love fixing broken stuff. As long as streamer doesn't die on me, I'm fine ;) |
| 13:16.52 | avallark | streamer .. aaah :) |
| 13:16.54 | orbitaleclipse | I just done patch file.diff is that correct? |
| 13:16.56 | avallark | the love for music |
| 13:17.21 | By-Tor | avallark: Tv tuners rule dood ;) |
| 13:17.26 | avallark | abrotman: piss off!! |
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| 13:17.47 | By-Tor | avallark: Streamer grabs the stuff, mencoder turns it into divx, and I rsync them to my laptop every morn ;) |
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| 13:17.58 | By-Tor | avallark: Nothing like watchin TV while you work. |
| 13:17.58 | mjk64 | orbitaleclipse: Usually, you do "patch -p0 < blah.diff", but it depends on the application ... there must be installation instructions for applying the patch |
| 13:18.06 | abrotman | avallark: don't be an idiot |
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| 13:18.23 | orbitaleclipse | nope, it's bootsplash |
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| 13:18.58 | mjk64 | orbitaleclipse: I don't get it ... "it's bootsplash" - what do you mean? |
| 13:19.19 | antgel | orbitaleclipse: why are you typing commands that you don't understand? |
| 13:19.39 | abrotman | antgel: you've not seen this before? |
| 13:19.48 | orbitaleclipse | http://www.bootsplash.org |
| 13:20.55 | orbitaleclipse | Looks pretty hard. |
| 13:21.08 | abrotman | so don't use it |
| 13:21.17 | avallark | abrotman: that wasnt for you ... really sorry .. mixed up b/w chat and another gaim window!! :( |
| 13:21.21 | rss | hi, with checkinstall... how to compile a source into a deb? |
| 13:21.29 | abrotman | how often do you boot your computer .. and how long does it take |
| 13:21.32 | cahoot | orbitaleclipse: just close your eyes for 10 s when booting |
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| 13:21.39 | abrotman | rss: /msg dpkg mg |
| 13:21.44 | rss | ok |
| 13:21.52 | abrotman | rss: what is it? |
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| 13:21.58 | avallark | By-Tor, thats cool !! thats true .. nothing like watching TV while you are supposed to work :-D |
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| 13:22.33 | rss | abrotman: nothing significant, a jabber client for console |
| 13:22.56 | mjk64 | orbitaleclipse: you could "cd /usr/src/linux-<yourversion>; patch -p1 < ../bootsplash-3.1.3-2.6.0-test9.diff" - BUT if you don't understand what it does, DON'T DO it! |
| 13:22.57 | abrotman | rss: centericq is in debian |
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| 13:23.13 | rss | abrotman: this is a new one called freetalk |
| 13:23.31 | abrotman | rss: ok .. i just wanted to make sure you knew that there was a CLI jabber client available to you |
| 13:23.43 | mjk64 | orbitaleclipse: If you don't understand the patching process and its consequenses, then this could mean a lot of trouble for you (including data loss). |
| 13:24.00 | orbitaleclipse | so is that the only command I have to do? |
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| 13:24.34 | creature | I think learning to read warnings might be something to add to the to-do list. |
| 13:24.42 | orbitaleclipse | shit I don't have kernel source, how do I get it? |
| 13:24.44 | mjk64 | orbitaleclipse: uh-oh ... don't type it, it won't help you. You need to know more about Unix. |
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| 13:24.52 | rss | abrotman: checkinstall is enough for getting deb and prefixing the configure script to install in /usr/local. Right? |
| 13:24.55 | manbox | how do i set wether to start X with boot? |
| 13:25.06 | nkuttler | manbox: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 13:25.11 | manbox | in what kind of options do i set that? |
| 13:25.12 | mjk64 | !tell orbitaleclipse -about kp |
| 13:25.15 | abrotman | rss: it won't make it a pacakge .. also .. `stow` exists |
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| 13:25.56 | drowning_to_deat | hi guys |
| 13:25.56 | abrotman | rss: and if you're using sid .. and you can wait .. you could also file an RFP .. someone might be nice and package it for you :) |
| 13:26.02 | abrotman | deat? |
| 13:26.07 | drowning_to_deat | anyone know about installing wine? |
| 13:26.11 | avallark | abrotman: that wasnt for you ... really sorry .. mixed up b/w chat and another gaim window!! :( |
| 13:26.11 | rss | abrotman: does not it compile a source into one? |
| 13:26.19 | abrotman | avallark: you said .. carry on |
| 13:26.20 | orbitaleclipse | I can't see how it would screw up, I think it will work. |
| 13:26.22 | rss | abrotman: I am supposed to beta test it. |
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| 13:26.30 | drowning_to_deat | anyone know about installing wine? |
| 13:26.40 | abrotman | rss: ah .. then use stow or checkinstall .. but either should work |
| 13:26.42 | orbitaleclipse | drowning_to_deat, apt-get install wine |
| 13:26.47 | abrotman | drowning_to_deat: apt-get install wine ? |
| 13:26.49 | manbox | nkuttler, is there anyway to have x not start without having to remove the X packages?? |
| 13:26.51 | rss | abrotman: usability etc. |
| 13:26.57 | fbi | drowning_to_deat: no one is going to help you until you install Debian and have an actual Debian issue. |
| 13:27.02 | drac | !tell manbox about nodm |
| 13:27.04 | fbi | abrotman: he's on Knoppix. |
| 13:27.07 | abrotman | rss: ok .. |
| 13:27.23 | abrotman | fbi: ah ok... then well .. i'm not sure knoppix even includes wine |
| 13:27.37 | drowning_to_deat | do i have to update first? |
| 13:27.48 | Althaser | i'm using testing how can i install sid kernel ? please |
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| 13:28.13 | apt-get | apt-get remove wine |
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| 13:28.22 | drowning_to_deat | huh?? remove? |
| 13:28.26 | apt-get | never install wine, ever |
| 13:28.29 | Pita | Is there a mod_lisp debian package that works with apache2? |
| 13:28.39 | rss | Althaser, do you want to upgrade to Sid? |
| 13:28.52 | Althaser | rss no I want the sid kernel |
| 13:28.56 | avallark | :) |
| 13:29.02 | abrotman | !d-i drowning_to_deat |
| 13:29.03 | drac | testing has same kernels as unstable (sid) |
| 13:29.06 | dpkg | drowning_to_deat, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:29.09 | drowning_to_deat | if i installed it then how can i locate it to run application with wine |
| 13:29.17 | abrotman | Pita: apt-cache search apache2 lisp ? |
| 13:29.41 | rss | drowning_to_deat: what application do you need to run? |
| 13:29.46 | drowning_to_deat | games |
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| 13:29.52 | drowning_to_deat | i mean |
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| 13:30.10 | rss | drowning_to_deat: Old DOS ones? |
| 13:30.15 | fbi | rss: please do not help him, he's not even running Debian. he has been told several times not to look for Knoppix help in this channel. |
| 13:30.21 | drowning_to_deat | nope new ones |
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| 13:30.25 | drowning_to_deat | like ragnarok |
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| 13:30.31 | abrotman | drowning_to_deat: are you running Debian? |
| 13:30.34 | Sylwae | hello all |
| 13:30.57 | rjalex | did anyone have success is using kmixctrl --save instead of alsactrl to unmute audio levels between reboots ?? |
| 13:31.33 | drowning_to_deat | yeah |
| 13:31.41 | Sylwae | i've a problem, after compiling kernel 2.6.13.2 an error occur on boot "could not load modules.dep" instead of it exists ... ? .. ? |
| 13:31.46 | drowning_to_deat | and the other one is devian based |
| 13:31.52 | abrotman | drowning_to_deat: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:32.03 | drowning_to_deat | wats that |
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| 13:32.14 | rss | Are the irc clients in Knoppix set to connect to irc.debian.org and #debian by default? |
| 13:32.22 | abrotman | show me the results |
| 13:32.24 | petemc | they used to be, at leasty |
| 13:32.24 | mjk64 | drowning_to_deat: it could help you with ragnarok |
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| 13:32.26 | abrotman | rss: probably |
| 13:32.26 | petemc | s/y// |
| 13:32.29 | bhrigu | hey all |
| 13:32.32 | abrotman | drowning_to_deat: ask #winehq |
| 13:32.37 | drowning_to_deat | wait im installing wine again |
| 13:32.40 | Pfated | abrotman: They used to be, didnae they? |
| 13:32.54 | rss | then we should request them to change it |
| 13:33.05 | abrotman | Pfated: yes |
| 13:33.07 | bhrigu | i wanted to ask has any body seen the diffrence the ls -alt --full-time between woody and sarge |
| 13:33.08 | abrotman | rss: good luck |
| 13:33.09 | rss | if not it will be harsh on newbies |
| 13:33.18 | bhrigu | the woody version can be fed to touch |
| 13:33.24 | kevix | is anybody here from the eastern us and has dsl service? I've got a question. |
| 13:33.28 | abrotman | rss: i'm not sure if you've been to #knoppix .. but they aren't good from much (at least from what i understand) |
| 13:33.30 | bhrigu | but the sarge version looks screwed up |
| 13:33.31 | rss | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:33.36 | rss | mail |
| 13:33.41 | abrotman | kevix: many people .. just ask |
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| 13:33.52 | Tuttle_ | Hi, is there a way to install Sarge via floppy? |
| 13:34.03 | orbitaleclipse | Once I have done the nvidia one liner command, do I need to recompile? or will the drivers work? |
| 13:34.30 | mjk64 | bhrigu: Dunno the difference, but Sarge uses ls from package "coreutils", while older variants probably use ls from "fileutils"(?) |
| 13:34.34 | rss | eep... emailing has become an equivalent to snail mailing... compared to faster channels of accessing like instant messengers and IRC |
| 13:34.34 | Pfated | Restart X. If it works and you get the splash screen, it worked. |
| 13:35.09 | kevix | I was just considering verizion home dsl. they say I have to get verizion local phone service when I get the dsl. If I decide to change my local phone service, I terminate my dsl contract. is this common? |
| 13:35.55 | abrotman | kevix: verizon OWNS basically everything the other ISPs go through |
| 13:36.07 | abrotman | kevix: don't you have any other options ? |
| 13:36.14 | kevix | abrotman, yes, I know. |
| 13:36.26 | abrotman | kevix: i'm outside philly .. and i have tons of options |
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| 13:36.36 | abrotman | (not for phone .. just internet) |
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| 13:36.55 | kevix | abrotman, most folks in the usa have either att or verision as the major carirer in their state, and not both. |
| 13:37.11 | abrotman | att isn't a major carrier .. they are a long distance company |
| 13:37.33 | kevix | abrotman, yes there are local cariers. but I havent found a 14.95 service. |
| 13:37.44 | orbitaleclipse | Is there a way to show your display picture in game for msn? I can't find it and when I use amsn, it wont load my contacts pictures :( |
| 13:37.53 | orbitaleclipse | gaim |
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| 13:37.57 | abrotman | kevix: iirc ..t hat's only 14.95 for the first year .. after which .. it goes to like 35$ or something |
| 13:38.09 | kevix | abrotman, not this deal. |
| 13:38.17 | creature | So, I'm still interested in a way to add programs to my fluxbox menu in a way compatible with Debian's auto-adding stuff when you apt-get it. |
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| 13:38.47 | abrotman | kevix: read the fine print .. i got one of those offers the other day in the mail |
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| 13:39.31 | abrotman | creature: read the menu readme |
| 13:39.39 | abrotman | !menu |
| 13:39.39 | dpkg | somebody said menu was the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
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| 13:40.06 | humbolt | I have a pptp problem. Can anybody assist me with this thing? |
| 13:40.10 | abrotman | kevix: it's basically thier way of getting money .. they get you for both .. and you get screwed .. seems like verizon to me :) |
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| 13:40.19 | creature | Got the readme, reading now. |
| 13:40.27 | humbolt | I can establish the connection, but no traffic passes through |
| 13:40.34 | kevix | abrotman, http://www22.verizon.com/forhomedsl/channels/dsl/packages/ |
| 13:40.57 | orbitaleclipse | humbolt, did you set the dns? |
| 13:41.09 | abrotman | kevix: the plan is for one year .. then your contract gets restarted .. usually |
| 13:41.14 | kevix | abrotman, I was the person, "so I can never change my local phone service is I get DSL" and she said "yes". Who can that be legal? |
| 13:41.15 | humbolt | The pings seem to get back and forth (package/counts) but do not show up in tcpdump and the ping program |
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| 13:41.25 | Pfated | Reshafted, more like. |
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| 13:41.43 | humbolt | orbitaleclipse: dont bother about dns, we are before that (IP level) |
| 13:41.47 | Pfated | kevix: MS is still in business, aren't they? Of course it can be legal. |
| 13:41.48 | abrotman | kevix: they own the CO and all the equipment .. blame your congresspeople |
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| 13:42.03 | amichai | hey guys what is the command to watch movies in console, with mplayer. its the one that uses all the symbols and letters, without x. |
| 13:42.07 | kevix | abrotman, and the supreme court! |
| 13:42.09 | abrotman | kevix: they just recently passed a law allowing verizon to screw every other ISP |
| 13:42.11 | petemc | amichai: -vo aa |
| 13:42.20 | amichai | petemc: thanx man |
| 13:42.24 | amichai | where do i get mutty? |
| 13:42.27 | Althaser | how can i install the sid kernel ? please anyone ? |
| 13:42.28 | kevix | abrotman, BrandX |
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| 13:43.04 | HaNazir | apt-get mutty, no right? |
| 13:43.08 | kevix | abrotman, they says it as though its a technical requiremet! which it is not! |
| 13:43.18 | apt-get | man |
| 13:43.20 | apt-get | I should change my name |
| 13:43.24 | apt-get | keep getting buzz |
| 13:43.33 | cahoot | HaNazir: thinking of mutt the mail prog? |
| 13:43.41 | humbolt | everything works from my mac, but as soon as I use linux, everything get's messed up |
| 13:43.46 | DotHack | does anyone knwo why my gdesklet rss-grab hangs when i add a +10 rss source |
| 13:43.47 | kevix | Althaser, are you running stable? |
| 13:43.48 | HaNazir | cahoot: yes |
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| 13:43.55 | orbitaleclipse | hmm, I got this error, "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives." ?? |
| 13:43.57 | Althaser | kevix i'm running testing |
| 13:44.11 | Pfated | orbitaleclipse: ... add the contrib and non-free archives. |
| 13:44.18 | abrotman | kevix: really .. they can screw you .. they will |
| 13:44.23 | kevix | you can manually get them. |
| 13:44.25 | orbitaleclipse | Pfated, tell me how to do this? |
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| 13:44.34 | abrotman | kevix: and those speeds aren't very good .. but whatever |
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| 13:44.35 | HaNazir | cahoot: ? |
| 13:44.47 | Althaser | kevix how ? |
| 13:44.52 | kevix | abrotman, yea. I know. |
| 13:44.55 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:44.58 | cahoot | HaNazir: yes using apt-get is one way |
| 13:44.58 | Pfated | orbitaleclipse: Edit sources.list. See the word 'main'? Add on ' non-free contrib', save changes. Apt-get update, try your nvidia thing again. |
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| 13:45.19 | HaNazir | cahoot: what is it called, cos apt-get install mutty doesnt find anything |
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| 13:45.26 | kevix | Althaser, you can go to the packages.debian.org site, find the kernel and download it. |
| 13:45.31 | orbitaleclipse | where is sources.list? |
| 13:45.31 | cahoot | HaNazir: you really should take the time to read the debian reference |
| 13:45.41 | fireba11 | HaNazir: ry apt-cache search package |
| 13:45.44 | kevix | orbitaleclipse, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:45.44 | HaNazir | cahoot: thanx man:) |
| 13:45.59 | HaNazir | fireba11: i did that too, will do it again |
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| 13:46.17 | kevix | cahoot, I went to kino's and had the pdf spiral bound! |
| 13:46.32 | Tuttle_ | Hi, is there a way to install Sarge via floppy? |
| 13:46.35 | orbitaleclipse | where do I add it? at the bottem? |
| 13:46.36 | cahoot | HaNazir: mutt is what you look for |
| 13:46.47 | h4mm3r` | how can i retrieve .config (kernel 2.6.x) installed by sarge ? |
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| 13:46.53 | grronnin | hi! I'm trying to install Debian with xfree86 om my computer |
| 13:46.59 | kevix | orbitaleclipse, the file is checked from top to bottom. |
| 13:47.01 | asg | h4mm3r`: look in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:47.06 | h4mm3r` | thx |
| 13:47.10 | cahoot | kevix: the debian ref? |
| 13:47.20 | kevix | cahoot, yup. |
| 13:47.21 | grronnin | and I got an intel Xtreme graphics monitor card and wonder what X server driver I should use for it |
| 13:47.57 | grronnin | anyone got an idea? |
| 13:48.10 | asg | grronnin: what does 'lspci | grep VGA' say? |
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| 13:48.20 | kevix | grronnin, do you have xfree or xorg? |
| 13:48.31 | grronnin | I'm installing xfree right now.. |
| 13:48.38 | Pfated | orbitaleclipse: I believe it was said quite clearly that you added it after the word 'main'. Do you SEE the word main? |
| 13:48.50 | grronnin | kevix:I'm about to choose driver for my monitor card |
| 13:49.02 | grronnin | asg: can't write right now, have to choose... |
| 13:49.03 | tarzeau | someone using the sk98lin.o driver? with 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 13:49.04 | orbitaleclipse | I see the word main about 4 times... |
| 13:49.05 | kevix | grronnin, the safe bet is vga. |
| 13:49.09 | yang | This package moinmoin-common doesnt have dependancies set...it doesnt install python |
| 13:49.21 | asg | grronnin: Alt+F2, log in, run commands above |
| 13:49.21 | Pfated | orbitaleclipse: Add the TWO words 'non-free contrib' after all of them. |
| 13:49.27 | ircops | grronnin: intel cards are tricky, that's what I'm using |
| 13:49.41 | grronnin | ircops: what did you choose? |
| 13:49.48 | asg | grronnin: you can always re-config X afterwards anyway (/msg dpkg drx) |
| 13:49.52 | EdibleText | tarzeau, sk98lin 114848 1 |
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| 13:50.10 | EdibleText | tarzeau, syskonnect 2 port gigE |
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| 13:50.23 | tarzeau | EdibleText: which kernel exactly? |
| 13:50.33 | rss | 2 |
| 13:50.34 | grronnin | asg: grep-thing is saying VGA-compatible controller: Intel Corp... |
| 13:50.36 | EdibleText | tarzeau, Linux phoenix 2.4.18 #5 SMP Tue Oct 22 00:27:45 EDT 2002 i686 unknown |
| 13:50.43 | ircops | grronnin: I have an intel 82845 and I chose intel_i810 |
| 13:50.49 | asg | grronnin: the bits you left out are the important ones |
| 13:50.54 | tarzeau | EdibleText: you built that one yourself, right? using make-kpkg? |
| 13:51.04 | goron | Is there some way in OpenOffice impress to see the text of the other slides at the left of the screen (just like in PowerPoint)? |
| 13:51.15 | tarzeau | EdibleText: will you not upgrade it to 2.4.31? or 2.6? |
| 13:51.16 | EdibleText | tarzeau, yes. i forgot if I needed to patch.. I dont think so.. |
| 13:51.21 | ircops | grronnin: are you on a dell by any chance? |
| 13:51.22 | asg | grronnin: for now, choose 'vesa'. I should work and then aftewards, you can investigate if there is a more specific one for your card. |
| 13:51.31 | tarzeau | EdibleText: wait you've had not to patch the kernel? |
| 13:51.31 | ircops | asg: vesa didn't work for my intel |
| 13:51.32 | grronnin | asg:oki.. sorry.. 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible.. |
| 13:51.39 | asg | ircops: does for mine |
| 13:51.40 | EdibleText | tarzeau, production server wont upgrade untill i add more storage... |
| 13:51.45 | grronnin | ircops: I got whitebox |
| 13:51.45 | orbitaleclipse | Pfated, please join #sources so I can show you |
| 13:51.51 | ircops | asg: wicked... must have a weird chipset |
| 13:52.04 | EdibleText | tarzeau, it will happen soon though |
| 13:52.05 | ircops | grronnin: it doesn't say model anywhere or anything ? |
| 13:52.25 | asg | ircops: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82915G Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04) |
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| 13:52.50 | Deep6 | guys how do I go about testing why a cronjob in /etc/cron.d isn't running despite it being logged as executed in cron.log? |
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| 13:53.07 | grronnin | ircops, asg: the whole line says 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. Mobile Graphics Controller (rev 04) |
| 13:53.10 | asg | Deep6: have it write some error information (the output will be mailed.) |
| 13:53.21 | kevix | #nylug |
| 13:53.23 | EdibleText | tarzeau, I forget if i had to patch for the net driver. There was some drama if i recall about that card.. |
| 13:53.25 | Deep6 | asg, I have it doing /usr/bin/touch /tmp/foo |
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| 13:53.28 | Deep6 | and it's not even doing that |
| 13:54.00 | asg | Deep6: well, start with 'echo here' after the shebang line, see if the output is mailed. |
| 13:54.01 | Pfated | orbitaleclipse: Ehm? How hard can it be? |
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| 13:54.14 | grronnin | ircops: did you catch that? |
| 13:54.48 | ircops | grronnin: is there an intel i915 driver? |
| 13:55.22 | cockroach | ircops: i915 works with the i810 driver |
| 13:55.38 | asg | ircops: google shows that chipset working with i810 and xorg; dunno about xfree though but it's worth a shot. |
| 13:55.41 | grronnin | ircops: I got i810, that's all it says 'i810' the highest number |
| 13:56.11 | ircops | grronnin: oh okay, nm... I found a site that says 915 uses the intel i810 driver |
| 13:56.20 | abrotman | uhm |
| 13:56.24 | abrotman | in which version of X? |
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| 13:56.55 | creature | Got it. Cheers guys. |
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| 13:57.02 | grronnin | ircops: how do we know 915 is the right one? |
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| 13:57.04 | Pfated | orbitaleclipse: The string 'main non-free contrib' should appear right after 'debian ' in the list. For all your sources. Clear? |
| 13:57.06 | asg | !wb greycat |
| 13:57.06 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! greycat has returned! |
| 13:57.15 | petykoo | hi |
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| 13:57.23 | rss | !wb meff |
| 13:57.24 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! meff has returned! |
| 13:57.47 | grronnin | ircops: is it a typical intel-driver? |
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| 13:58.08 | _dishwasher | hey, anyone aware of any selinux project for debian that doesn't suck? |
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| 13:58.22 | orbitaleclipse | dunno, don't wanna b0rk it! |
| 13:58.29 | abrotman | grronnin: ircops: which version of X ? |
| 13:58.41 | rss | grronnin: Just do it. modprobe i810 |
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| 13:59.02 | grronnin | abrotman: xfree86 (?) |
| 13:59.08 | ircops | this page says xorg |
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| 13:59.10 | abrotman | grronnin: which version of debian? :) |
| 13:59.15 | ircops | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_915_Chipset |
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| 13:59.20 | fere | hi |
| 13:59.35 | fere | curious |
| 13:59.39 | abrotman | http://xfree86.org/current/i810.4.html .. is the sarge-ish version |
| 13:59.40 | fere | this is a general question |
| 13:59.48 | grronnin | abrotman: 3.1 |
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| 13:59.50 | ircops | fere: ? |
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| 13:59.54 | ircops | lol |
| 14:00.01 | ircops | !tell me -about lol |
| 14:00.12 | greycat | that wasn't a question. it was a statement. |
| 14:00.28 | ircops | you are correct |
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| 14:01.25 | Pfated | orbitaleclipse: Just apt-get update. If it works, it isn't broken. |
| 14:01.42 | orbitaleclipse | It had heaps of errors |
| 14:01.45 | orbitaleclipse | HEAPS |
| 14:01.52 | orbitaleclipse | but it still downloads |
| 14:01.55 | grronnin | abrotman: mine is 855GM :-) it's on the list :-) |
| 14:02.30 | Pfated | orbitaleclipse: What KIND of errors, pray tell? |
| 14:02.46 | greycat | heaping ones! |
| 14:02.59 | Pfated | Apparently. |
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| 14:03.03 | patata_fregida | my keyboard doesnt work in console mode, some keys are swaped, how do i change it to spanish (es) keyboard ? |
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| 14:03.26 | greycat | patata_fregida: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 14:04.30 | ircops | grronnin: did you go with i810? :) |
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| 14:05.02 | abrotman | grronnin: ok |
| 14:05.20 | grronnin | ircops: yes :-) now I'm sitting here wondering what kind of mouse I got.. I got one "on" my laptop.. what is that called? |
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| 14:05.35 | greycat | touchpads are usually PS/2 (/dev/psaux) |
| 14:06.21 | valdyn | grronnin: dmesg | grep input |
| 14:07.04 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice ? |
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| 14:08.03 | grronnin | sh*T... I thought I was pressing Alt+f2 -buttons then suddenly.. it started to go on with the installion |
| 14:08.11 | grronnin | will it go bananas now? |
| 14:08.15 | grronnin | :-( |
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| 14:09.19 | abrotman | it will eat you! |
| 14:09.29 | grronnin | nooooooooooo! |
| 14:09.30 | grronnin | hehe |
| 14:09.56 | grronnin | I don't know what I "chose" |
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| 14:10.07 | grronnin | I think I'll get all the standard choices |
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| 14:10.15 | grronnin | hopefully something that will work |
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| 14:11.59 | exqte | I'm not sure if this is the right channel for this, but my Sarge system says "3w-xxxx: scsi0: AEN: WARNING: Sector repair occured: port #0". There is a 3ware raid card in the system, but I'm not really experienced with it. Should I repair the disk? |
| 14:12.22 | grronnin | bbl: dinner |
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| 14:14.27 | Shadowcat | what's with the sudden surge of security updates all of a sudden? |
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| 14:15.55 | petemc | Shadowcat: when problems are found, people produce updates to fix them |
| 14:15.55 | petemc | thats basically it |
| 14:15.55 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 14:15.55 | FallOnMe | backlog? |
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| 14:15.56 | Shadowcat | well half the world seems to be wanting to patch KDE in Sarge at the moment |
| 14:15.56 | sameer | how can i change the permissions of something in /proc |
| 14:15.56 | FallOnMe | I'd rather have the yet-another-firefox-patch please |
| 14:16.09 | greycat | people use KDE? |
| 14:16.13 | greycat | !pal people |
| 14:16.20 | Shadowcat | yes people use kde |
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| 14:17.34 | masadd[busy] | :D |
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| 14:18.31 | fbi | i have KDE installed, but only to take up space so my df -h output looks more impressive. |
| 14:18.52 | azeem | fbi: that's the spririt |
| 14:18.54 | mjk64 | fbi: that's decadent =) |
| 14:18.58 | azeem | spirit, even |
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| 14:19.13 | greycat | couldn't you just use pr0n? |
| 14:19.18 | azeem | fbi: you could also keep lying around a couple of gtk+2.0 build trees |
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| 14:19.26 | fbi | hah |
| 14:19.36 | greycat | azeem: worse: linux kernels. |
| 14:20.06 | azeem | greycat: I only do them for 686, so I don't think they've exceeded the 2.5 GB of gtk+ for me, yet |
| 14:20.25 | mikeX | :o |
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| 14:20.56 | confuzed_newb | simple ? for all you pros... how do I tell my kernel to skip a module on boot? |
| 14:21.11 | azeem | confuzed_newb: tell udev/hotplug to blacklist it |
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| 14:21.21 | confuzed_newb | I can't boot in to do it |
| 14:21.41 | azeem | confuzed_newb: try to boot into single-user mode |
| 14:21.46 | azeem | or init=/bin/sh |
| 14:21.55 | orbitaleclipse | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:21.56 | orbitaleclipse | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.57 | confuzed_newb | I know its the bttv module (requires load switches to work) |
| 14:22.04 | orbitaleclipse | O_o |
| 14:22.20 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 14:22.20 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 14:22.33 | azeem | abrotman: 16:17 < confuzed_newb> I can't boot in to do it |
| 14:22.40 | confuzed_newb | thanks azeem\ |
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| 14:23.11 | orbitaleclipse | ????? |
| 14:23.13 | confuzed_newb | I still want the module to load in most cases.. but I need to boot the first time and set the module params |
| 14:23.28 | azeem | confuzed_newb: does it make the kernel panic? |
| 14:23.29 | confuzed_newb | otherwise the boot hangs at bttv |
| 14:23.33 | abrotman | azeem: single user! |
| 14:23.39 | azeem | 16:17 < azeem> confuzed_newb: try to boot into single-user mode |
| 14:23.40 | confuzed_newb | I'll try single user |
| 14:23.42 | abrotman | use a liveCD .. edit the file |
| 14:23.45 | azeem | yeah |
| 14:23.57 | confuzed_newb | live cd's do the same thing btw |
| 14:24.10 | azeem | confuzed_newb: I think most have different boot options |
| 14:24.24 | abrotman | maybe try a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 14:24.29 | azeem | confuzed_newb: you can use the GNU/Hurd live CD, that one doesn't load bttv for sure |
| 14:24.35 | azeem | or the GNU/kFreeBSD one |
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| 14:24.49 | orbitaleclipse | see I told you it would be fucked Pfated |
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| 14:24.57 | orbitaleclipse | now it doesn't work |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | Pfated: fucked i tell you! |
| 14:25.23 | Pfated | orbitaleclipse: ... Dude, you never gave me your fucking error message, HOW THE FUCK WAS I TO HELP? |
| 14:25.37 | petemc | easy now |
| 14:25.56 | Pfated | 'What kind of errors, pray tell?' 'See, I told you it would be fucked.' Sod this. |
| 14:26.01 | orbitaleclipse | I did, scroll up |
| 14:26.10 | orbitaleclipse | It was about editing that file |
| 14:26.16 | orbitaleclipse | it's fucked the apt-get now |
| 14:26.19 | Phr0zenKore_ | !planeshift |
| 14:26.28 | Pfated | BEFORE THAT, BEFORE THAT! WHEN YOU APT-GET UPDATED! YOU SAID THERE WERE ERRORS! WHAT ERRORS? |
| 14:26.32 | azeem | orbitaleclipse: please try to limit your use of the word "fucked" |
| 14:26.41 | azeem | Pfated: please don't yell, rather put people on /ignore |
| 14:27.03 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: fuck (.*?) =~ s/((glass|pink)) (dildo/((glass|pink) dildo/ |
| 14:27.03 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 14:27.11 | grronnin | ircops: apperently my screen didn't get set, how can I reconfigure it now? |
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| 14:27.30 | greycat | !fuck the apt-get |
| 14:27.36 | confuzed_newb | single user mode hangs at bttv too... I swear I read somewhere that there is a switch to tell it to skip loading a module at boot |
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| 14:28.03 | confuzed_newb | How do I edit files on my system using a debian netboot cd |
| 14:28.06 | Pfated | orbitaleclipse: When you... edited this file, to include contrib and non-free... paste your sources in #flood in roughly ten seconds. |
| 14:28.13 | greycat | confuzed_newb: mount the partition somewhere |
| 14:28.21 | Phr0zenKore_ | planeshift |
| 14:28.21 | Phr0zenKore_ | :( |
| 14:28.23 | Phr0zenKore_ | daimonin |
| 14:28.25 | Phr0zenKore_ | noooooooooooooo!! |
| 14:28.30 | Phr0zenKore_ | :P |
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| 14:28.37 | grronnin | abrotman:apperently my screen didn't get set, how can I reconfigure it now? |
| 14:28.45 | Phated | Grah. Stupid client. |
| 14:28.53 | grronnin | base-config didn't seem to be it |
| 14:28.53 | occy | http://debianhelp.org/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-9100-highlight-onetouch.html |
| 14:28.55 | abrotman | !drxx grronnin |
| 14:28.56 | dpkg | grronnin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:29.04 | occy | I'm getting the same problem as the that URL above. |
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| 14:29.12 | Phated | Great, he's not here anymore. One less to deal with. |
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| 14:29.18 | paulswm | :( |
| 14:29.22 | abrotman | !tell occy usb-storage |
| 14:29.24 | occy | can't seem to have my server recognize the USB drive Iplug into it. |
| 14:29.25 | abrotman | !tell occy about usb-storage |
| 14:30.24 | grronnin | abrotman: you're good! |
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| 14:30.28 | grronnin | :-) |
| 14:30.36 | masadd | can i play windows games on linux? |
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| 14:30.43 | occy | abrotman, yessir |
| 14:31.22 | greycat | masadd: not many, and not well, and CERTAINLY not easily. |
| 14:31.27 | Xenguy | masadd: http://frankscorner.org/ |
| 14:31.34 | masadd | ok... |
| 14:31.43 | abrotman | occy: did you try it? |
| 14:31.56 | Xenguy | masadd: see also the WINE site for more examples; also #winehq |
| 14:32.15 | othernoob | masadd: and take a look at cedega.. |
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| 14:32.35 | masadd | sure |
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| 14:32.37 | occy | abrotman, :/ |
| 14:32.44 | occy | abrotman, that didn't help. sec |
| 14:32.51 | othernoob | anyone familiar with dvd burner problems? |
| 14:32.53 | confuzed_newb | thanks guys... I'm doing it the easy way... pulled the damn bttv card out for the first boot |
| 14:32.53 | abrotman | errors are good |
| 14:33.04 | greycat | !ask |
| 14:33.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:33.05 | Xenguy | masadd: WINE is free; Cedega is a paid service IIRC |
| 14:33.21 | bnoji | I've decided to use Mondo for daily backups to an external HDD. |
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| 14:33.37 | occy | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/371963 |
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| 14:34.34 | occy | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/371964 |
| 14:34.38 | othernoob | well, i assume that was for me greycat..anyway.. i have a NEC ND2500A, which is supposed to burn at 8x. after a firmware update done in windows it won't burn faster than 4x, usually 2-3x, in linux, whereas it does burn at 8x in windows.. |
| 14:34.56 | dim-mak | Hi. How can I mount procfs to /proc? |
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| 14:35.18 | greycat | dim-mak: install debian and boot it. |
| 14:35.22 | othernoob | i've tried setting the speed up in k3b, and while it says that it burns at 8x it never actually does..takes 16-24 mins for 4.4gb in linux, 8 in windows.. |
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| 14:35.55 | dim-mak | greycat: yeah - but now when I do not have any kinda bootscript- how can I still start it? |
| 14:36.06 | greycat | othernoob: what kernel? what drive? what interface? |
| 14:36.51 | othernoob | greycat: 2.6.10-386. what do you mean with the other questions? :/ |
| 14:37.06 | greycat | dim-mak: reinstall debian. |
| 14:37.14 | greycat | othernoob: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:37.36 | confuzed_newb | can anyone tell me what the best channel for Debian/Mythtv/DVB would be? |
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| 14:37.49 | mendieta48 | hi |
| 14:37.58 | mendieta48 | hi |
| 14:38.07 | confuzed_newb | hi |
| 14:38.11 | mendieta48 | I can see if my interface has in full-duplex? |
| 14:38.18 | dim-mak | greycat: no no :p I'm trying to do it on my own. I'm trying to take the "unneeded" stuff for now and boot manually. |
| 14:38.19 | greycat | mii-tool, or dmesg, or prayer. |
| 14:38.28 | greycat | dim-mak: have fun. |
| 14:38.29 | othernoob | greycat: i'm not on my debian pc right now :/ |
| 14:38.33 | cyberkni | mii-tool is my pref |
| 14:38.40 | enyc | conf: err #debian #mythtv #linuxtv respectively ;-) |
| 14:38.40 | greycat | othernoob: then how do you expect us to help you? |
| 14:38.56 | sfr_ | Hi. OpenOffice.org doesn't seem to honour $LANG, $LC_ALL, etc. Is this the right channel to ask for solutions to my problem? Thanks :) |
| 14:39.14 | greycat | sfr_: try #openoffice.org |
| 14:39.20 | confuzed_newb | lol... thanks... I was hoping there was a channel that had a lot of mythtv on debian activity |
| 14:39.26 | sfr_ | greycat: Thanks much! |
| 14:39.43 | othernoob | greycat: well, good question, probably thought it might be a common problem and/or just a k3b prob.. |
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| 14:41.24 | fbi | othernoob: k3b is a frontend for cdrecord. i have noticed that my burner doesn't always use the speed i select in k3b's settings. try using cdrecord with the speed option. |
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| 14:41.42 | greycat | it's also a front-end for dvd+rw-tools |
| 14:41.48 | greycat | and possibly for cdrdao as well |
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| 14:41.53 | othernoob | and cdrdao.. |
| 14:41.55 | fbi | yeah, those too. |
| 14:41.58 | mernil | hello nerds |
| 14:42.04 | fbi | either way, learn how do burn in console. |
| 14:42.04 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 14:42.11 | fbi | s/do/to/ |
| 14:42.14 | abrotman | occy: but can you mount it ? |
| 14:42.23 | occy | abrotman, :/ |
| 14:42.31 | occy | It doesn't show up as a device |
| 14:42.31 | abrotman | it's a yes/no question |
| 14:42.32 | othernoob | good idea, i shall give that a try.. |
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| 14:42.37 | abrotman | occy: lsusb show it? |
| 14:42.38 | occy | as no sda device |
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| 14:43.10 | occy | Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0d49:7110 Maxtor |
| 14:43.20 | occy | abrotman, --^ |
| 14:43.23 | abrotman | occy: which kernel ? |
| 14:43.35 | occy | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 14:43.41 | abrotman | occy: maybe try a 2.6 ? |
| 14:43.43 | grronnin | greycat: /dev/psaux = touchpad right? I can't scroll back to what you told me earlier |
| 14:44.00 | abrotman | that's what he said |
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| 14:46.07 | dos000_ | anyone can recommend a good v.35 adapter for linux ? |
| 14:46.27 | dos000_ | insert " adapdeter pvi card" |
| 14:46.37 | dos000_ | tow! |
| 14:46.53 | dos000_ | adapter pci card ... |
| 14:47.00 | grronnin | :-/ is that a thinkingMousePS/2 *shrugs* |
| 14:47.07 | grronnin | that = touchpad |
| 14:47.17 | Mxyzpltk | dos000_: cyclades.com |
| 14:48.02 | Mxyzpltk | dos000_: I think their pc300 is what you're lookging for, very good drivers and stable |
| 14:48.25 | fbi | grronnin: PS/2 and /dev/psaux _should_ get your touchpad working. |
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| 14:48.48 | nksen | what do distros like mandrake or suse or so use to automatically mount cdroms and dvd-roms? supermount? or how is it realized? |
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| 14:49.40 | dos000_ | Mxyzpltk, thanks |
| 14:49.41 | grronnin | fbi: thanx |
| 14:50.16 | enyc | nkse: iirc suse alwyas mounts the cdrom/dvd with '[something]fs' I can't remember... |
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| 14:50.32 | enyc | nkse: which mbascially keeps the device mounted until all locks/access ot files on that filesystem have been closed |
| 14:50.32 | mjk64 | nkse: autofs maybe |
| 14:51.04 | enyc | nkse: whereas, ubuntu, uses some gnome hotplug manager thingie to do something which mounts the device, and the user must select to unmount the device |
| 14:51.19 | enyc | nkse: im not sure if debian sets-up any of the above normally |
| 14:51.48 | grronnin | fbi: I got a scroll-part on my mousepad, does that the same as a mouse with wheel? |
| 14:52.23 | nksen | enyc: it does not, that's whay I'm asking. dunnow how I should realize it |
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| 14:52.35 | fbi | grronnin: no idea, you might want to try ImPS/2 instead of PS/2 to enable scroll, i could be totally wrong though. |
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| 14:53.44 | enyc | nkse: well all the dfifferent methods have their own sets of advantages/disadvantages ;p |
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| 14:54.03 | bnoji | Is anyone using a USB hard drive? |
| 14:54.09 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 14:54.09 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:54.15 | bnoji | One of those 200GB external ones? |
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| 14:54.56 | greycat | dude, if you have a question, just ASK it. |
| 14:55.01 | abrotman | does it matter what size? |
| 14:55.10 | abrotman | i mean .. i have a 20MB USB harddrive .. does that help? |
| 14:55.33 | bnoji | abrotman: not sure. I need to make sure a 200GB USB2 hdd should work ok |
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| 14:55.43 | abrotman | you know .. finding a MCA-USB adapter was hard! :) |
| 14:55.47 | bnoji | abrotman: what modules does it need? |
| 14:55.48 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
| 14:55.49 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 14:55.57 | poison | Hi all, I have a question about openvpn. I have two network facilities connected with eachother using one openvpn connection. On each side I have my internal network (192.168.0.x) and my tunnel (192.168.1.x). On the server that runs the tunnel I can access both networks, but on another server I can't access the other network. I'm rather new to VPN so can you guys give me some advice on how the other servers can access eachother? |
| 14:57.00 | greycat | for the record, the DMC 8280 audio player's hard drive is partition-table-less. |
| 14:57.12 | greycat | the neuros I's drive is partitioned. |
| 14:57.43 | grronnin | if I try go with the advanced monitor-char-setup, is there anyone who can help me? It will ask me about horizontal and vertical syncronizers.. anyone who can help? |
| 14:58.01 | petemc | grronnin: you shouldnt need to put those values in yourself |
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| 14:58.20 | grronnin | petemc: not for a laptop either? |
| 14:58.21 | ecliptik | I'm having an issue with putty and cygwin on forwarding X apps to a windows desktop, other linux servers I connect to work just fine (ie xclock), but one that has X forwarding enbabled in putty an sshd_config is failing, I'm pasting the output anyone have any ideas? |
| 14:58.33 | petemc | grronnin: right |
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| 15:00.06 | r3tex | does debian use md5 for anything? |
| 15:00.32 | occy | abrotman, pivot_root: No such file or directory. /sbin/init: 432: Cannot open /dev/console: No such file. Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 15:00.32 | vca | all sorts of stuff. |
| 15:00.35 | greycat | r3tex: yes. |
| 15:00.38 | grronnin | urk... my videomode is not in the list, and my LCD screens manufacturer is unknown, what should I do? |
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| 15:00.45 | occy | abrotman, I installed 2.6 and now I'm getting that. :/ |
| 15:00.50 | copyweb1 | Hi, i have a little problem, i run debian sid, with an ATI graphic card and ATI drivers latest version, Xorg installed and DRI enabled on /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but with glxinfo | grep direct the direct rendering is not enabled, not for my user nor for root |
| 15:00.51 | r3tex | greycat: for package checksums? |
| 15:00.53 | vca | r3tex: password hashes, file checksums |
| 15:00.55 | copyweb1 | what can it be? |
| 15:01.08 | r3tex | vca: =0 is it optional for the password hashes? |
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| 15:01.37 | greycat | r3tex: the alternative being traditional DES? sure. |
| 15:01.38 | vca | uh you can probably go back to des crypt() but i don't know why the hell you'd want to |
| 15:01.54 | r3tex | what about blowfish? |
| 15:01.57 | greycat | if you want blowfish password hashing, you know where openbsd is. |
| 15:02.02 | r3tex | doh |
| 15:02.07 | r3tex | not possible on debian? |
| 15:02.35 | r3tex | copyweb1: check on #ati |
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| 15:02.55 | copyweb1 | r3tex, you are right, i'll try on #ati, thank you |
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| 15:03.27 | occy | does anyone know about that boot error message? |
| 15:04.05 | rss | Hi occy! |
| 15:04.10 | occy | rss, howdy |
| 15:04.26 | occy | pivot_root: No such file or directory. /sbin/init: 432: Cannot open /dev/console: No such file. Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 15:04.29 | occy | :( |
| 15:04.34 | greycat | what kernel? |
| 15:04.36 | occy | no lovie lovie |
| 15:04.39 | occy | 2.6.12 |
| 15:05.01 | abrotman | did you compile it yourself ? |
| 15:05.03 | greycat | !custom kernel |
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| 15:05.10 | greycat | AHEM. |
| 15:05.11 | occy | abrotman, it's a debian kernel. |
| 15:05.15 | greycat | !debian kernel image |
| 15:05.16 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 15:05.16 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
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| 15:05.24 | vca | r3tex: you just wanna replace the standard md5 cipher with something more secure? |
| 15:05.24 | greycat | ah, just a bit of lag. |
| 15:05.27 | abrotman | occy: and you did install the other required packages ? |
| 15:05.37 | greycat | occy: I believe you |
| 15:05.37 | vca | iirc pam_ldap can do sha hashes |
| 15:05.39 | occy | abrotman, heh, it doesn't come as deps? |
| 15:05.41 | occy | oops |
| 15:05.42 | greycat | DGAHGGASGDAGWGG!!!! |
| 15:05.43 | occy | :) |
| 15:05.47 | greycat | occy: I believe you're lying to us. |
| 15:05.47 | r3tex | vca: yeah |
| 15:05.49 | occy | greycat, heh |
| 15:05.51 | abrotman | occy: it should .. like .. module-init-tools etc |
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| 15:05.57 | occy | greycat, go back to sleep ;) |
| 15:06.00 | greycat | HORRIBLE time to fat-finger the ' key. |
| 15:06.05 | greycat | occy: what kernel? |
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| 15:06.15 | abrotman | occy: are you on sarge? |
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| 15:08.32 | occy | abrotman, sorry, issues getting to the box now |
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| 15:08.38 | abrotman | i'm sure |
| 15:08.42 | occy | abrotman, hehe |
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| 15:09.02 | greycat | abrotman: hold on, he's googling the Debian answers to those questions so he can continue his charade. |
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| 15:09.16 | occy | greycat, your funny today. |
| 15:09.34 | occy | rss, :P |
| 15:09.35 | abrotman | you're |
| 15:09.45 | Phated | greycat: Who is? |
| 15:09.48 | greycat | Phated: occy |
| 15:09.51 | Phated | Ah. |
| 15:10.03 | abrotman | which version of debian is it again? |
| 15:10.09 | rss | May be, he is running 2.6.10-5-386 |
| 15:10.11 | abrotman | i'm not sure how he went from 2.4.27-2 to 2.6.12 |
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| 15:10.21 | occy | it's sarge |
| 15:10.24 | AristoMagnus | hi |
| 15:10.29 | hutgyyr | if I had two servers and I wanted to transfer between them through a third party, say another linux box. What work will the third party have to do? Will it buffer it, write to disk before transferring |
| 15:10.31 | abrotman | occy: well .. sarge doesn't have a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 15:10.35 | greycat | 11:10 CTCP VERSION reply from occy: xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [i686/798.90MHz] |
| 15:10.38 | AristoMagnus | Can you tell me where we can set or check what is the charset of the system |
| 15:10.38 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 15:10.48 | occy | greycat, heh, my laptop isn't the server. :P |
| 15:11.04 | abrotman | occy: sarge doesn't have 2.6.12 .. now what is the server running ? |
| 15:11.08 | greycat | guess what the first google hit on 2.6.10-5-386 is? |
| 15:11.19 | rss | occy: are you truly Trae McCombs? |
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| 15:11.22 | abrotman | ubuntu! |
| 15:11.27 | greycat | !win abrotman |
| 15:11.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:11.31 | abrotman | do i get a cookie? |
| 15:11.32 | occy | rss, heh, I am. Truly :P |
| 15:11.36 | abrotman | !prize greycat |
| 15:11.51 | rss | occy: if you are... then you too need sleep. |
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| 15:12.42 | occy | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 15:12.44 | occy | great |
| 15:12.49 | occy | now we can't get ifconfig to work. |
| 15:12.50 | occy | :( |
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| 15:12.54 | occy | fsck me |
| 15:12.59 | Pfated | Gladly. |
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| 15:14.35 | abrotman | we? |
| 15:14.36 | thingfish | Has anyone mentioned in here the Laura DiDio article appearing in Newsfactor that incorrectly states that Debian charges a license fee? |
| 15:14.45 | abrotman | no |
| 15:14.51 | occy | abrotman, I'm in Macon, GA. JBKnapp is in Savannah GA |
| 15:14.52 | thingfish | http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=11300002KLI0 |
| 15:14.52 | occy | heh |
| 15:14.58 | occy | thingfish, howdy |
| 15:15.06 | thingfish | hi occy, how goes it? |
| 15:15.10 | occy | about 150miles away |
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| 15:15.21 | abrotman | thingfish: that lady lies .. all the time |
| 15:15.43 | thingfish | yes she does, abrotman. |
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| 15:15.52 | greycat | how come "Red Hat" is a hyperlink and Debian isn't? |
| 15:15.58 | abrotman | because she's stupid |
| 15:16.01 | rss | she has a funny name |
| 15:16.15 | thingfish | I have written the editors, informing them that I will no longer visit their site or read anything originating with them. |
| 15:16.23 | abrotman | she also doesn't know how to use commas |
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| 15:16.40 | thingfish | she is evidently a flat-out liar. |
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| 15:16.51 | abrotman | thingfish: you could write her editor .. |
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| 15:16.56 | grronnin | anyone with laptop who got a LCD-screen like 15.4"WSXGA 1680*1050? I could need some help settting up my monitor for Debian, I don't know my monitors horiczontal nor the vertical sync range.. |
| 15:17.00 | grronnin | any suggestions.. |
| 15:17.10 | rss | thingfish, tell them that Debian Corporation will sue them. ;) |
| 15:17.14 | thingfish | abrotman: I did - or at least, I contacted newsfactor with my complaing. |
| 15:17.16 | thingfish | hehe rss |
| 15:17.21 | grronnin | I don't know the manufacturer of the screen either |
| 15:17.25 | thingfish | *complaint |
| 15:17.33 | abrotman | thingfish: at the bottom .. they have 'feedback' and 'Letter to the editor' |
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| 15:17.44 | thingfish | abrotman: I'll do that too. |
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| 15:18.17 | abrotman | i hate the entire "give us your email" shit |
| 15:18.23 | abrotman | isn't my name good enough ? |
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| 15:18.31 | asg | abrotman: apparently not |
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| 15:19.12 | greycat | abrotman: *yours* isn't. |
| 15:19.14 | irc | Hi! I'm trying to get gnome-meeting to work on Debian sarge under KDE. The microphone works -- cat /dev/audio prints some stuff when I say something, and cat /dev/audio > /dev/dsp echoes my sayings -- but gnome-meeting doesn't send anything I send (establishing connections does work, however). Ideas? |
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| 15:19.57 | biblio | hi |
| 15:20.04 | rss | Hi irc, I have heard fabulous things about you. :D |
| 15:20.21 | occy | rss, heh |
| 15:20.32 | irc | rss: :D I'm at a relatively public terminal ATM |
| 15:21.03 | rss | oh1 |
| 15:21.17 | rss | I was deceived. :( |
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| 15:21.36 | tourt | Hi! |
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| 15:22.14 | tourt | I'm having problems installing debian 3.1 |
| 15:22.32 | tourt | it doesn't detect my sata drive |
| 15:22.38 | greycat | try the other kernel. |
| 15:22.43 | asg | tourt: try using the 2.6 install kernel |
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| 15:23.06 | tourt | in expert mode, it says that it needs sata_nv module |
| 15:23.12 | tourt | ok |
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| 15:24.12 | tourt | oooh |
| 15:24.16 | tourt | smooth! |
| 15:24.17 | tourt | thx! |
| 15:24.26 | thingfish | yay! |
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| 15:25.29 | thingfish | oh, if I could slap that woman I would. |
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| 15:25.35 | greycat | sometimes you even get a free red background instead of blue |
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| 15:26.00 | Pfated | thingfish: Whom? |
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| 15:26.11 | asg | Pfated: Laura Dildo |
| 15:26.14 | asg | er Dido |
| 15:26.18 | greycat | DiDio |
| 15:26.23 | rss | :D |
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| 15:26.30 | Pfated | Bahahahah. |
| 15:26.31 | thingfish | Pfated: Laura DiDio |
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| 15:26.36 | Pfated | asg: Freudian slip? |
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| 15:26.38 | abrotman | thingfish: the editor has been notified he employs a lying idiot :) |
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| 15:26.53 | rss | asg, you offended many... so they left! :( |
| 15:26.56 | asg | Pfated: something like that |
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| 15:27.03 | thingfish | bravo! abrotman |
| 15:27.12 | asg | rss: people without a sense of humor shouldn't be on irc anyway |
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| 15:27.19 | Pfated | rss: They should grow a thicker skin. |
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| 15:27.26 | greycat | rss: I doubt asg's pissed too many off. |
| 15:27.51 | rss | I too was kidding |
| 15:27.53 | rss | :P |
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| 15:28.10 | rss | Sorry for the enter. |
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| 15:29.52 | abrotman | thingfish: i don't normally do that either .. but she's been caugh lying before |
| 15:30.03 | Pfated | What did she do? |
| 15:30.16 | amiller | Anyone got an idea about my gnome-meeting problem? (I'm trying to get gnome-meeting to work on Debian sarge under KDE. The microphone works -- cat /dev/audio prints some stuff when I say something, and cat /dev/audio > /dev/dsp echoes my sayings -- but gnome-meeting doesn't send anything I send (establishing connections does work, however)) |
| 15:30.38 | abrotman | Pfated: she's a "journalist" for newsfactor .. and works for the Yankee group |
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| 15:30.43 | greycat | Pfated: wrote an article that says "Red Hat Latest News about Red Hat , Novell Latest News about Novell , Debian and other Linux distributors charge nominal licensing fees for their respective products." |
| 15:30.46 | Pfated | Oooh, never mind, I found the link. |
| 15:30.55 | abrotman | Pfated: http://linuxtoday.com/search.php3?author=Laura:DiDio |
| 15:31.03 | petemc | greycat: you might like this: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Gnome |
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| 15:31.09 | Pfated | I'll just read that article thingfish linked. |
| 15:31.54 | occy | Lame question... but is there a curses based tool where I can enter my network settings like I did during install? |
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| 15:32.02 | petemc | occy: etherconf |
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| 15:32.55 | greycat | petemc: heh, cute |
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| 15:33.22 | occy | petemc, it's not installed. |
| 15:33.23 | occy | heh |
| 15:33.26 | asg | !installit |
| 15:33.26 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 15:33.27 | asuffield | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Goat is better |
| 15:33.37 | occy | asg, :P~ |
| 15:33.40 | occy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.43 | occy | -l |
| 15:34.36 | petemc | wiki/Kitten_Huffing too... |
| 15:35.04 | asuffield | I have kitten husks on my floor |
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| 15:35.10 | petemc | :) |
| 15:35.11 | asg | petemc: The orange ones fucky up up real good |
| 15:35.19 | petemc | heh |
| 15:35.29 | V12 | quick question.....what does chown apache.apache folder actually do? |
| 15:35.39 | petemc | V12: man chown |
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| 15:35.46 | asg | !wikifaq V12 Permissions |
| 15:35.47 | dpkg | V12: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:35.54 | V12 | petemc ur a clever cock arent u |
| 15:35.54 | asuffield | don't huff multiple orange kittens at once |
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| 15:36.17 | petemc | V12: pointing out the obvious doesnt require a great deal of intelligence |
| 15:36.32 | V12 | why u telling me then? |
| 15:36.38 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 15:36.42 | petemc | V12: you asked |
| 15:36.53 | occy | http://pastebin.com/372031 <-- how would I manually do this with ifconfig on the command line? I know I can do: ifconfig eth0 IP_ADDRESS, route add default gw GATEWAY But I don't know how to put the other stuff in. |
| 15:37.04 | V12 | i dnt ask for the manual of chown |
| 15:37.06 | greycat | by the way, "apache.apache" is deprecated notation. use : as the man page suggests. |
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| 15:37.19 | greycat | which is *certainly* a better answer than that fucktard deserved. |
| 15:37.22 | asuffield | and apache isn't a user on Debian |
| 15:37.28 | asuffield | so he's using redhat or something |
| 15:37.30 | asg | also, 'apache.apache' doesn't work on Solaris |
| 15:37.34 | Henry_Bean | hello, i have a problem with dpkg-buildpackage, it create .dsc and .tar.gz names with de @VERSION@ wildcard, anybody know which file modify to fix this? |
| 15:37.37 | occy | greycat, heh, don't hold anything back now bud. |
| 15:37.37 | petemc | heh |
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| 15:38.04 | greycat | Henry_Bean: forgot to edit the debian changelog? |
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| 15:38.58 | Henry_Bean | greycat: it's probably there the error... in the debian folder there is no changelog and i create one empty... |
| 15:39.32 | greycat | try dch(1) |
| 15:39.36 | greycat | !mg |
| 15:39.36 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, it is also the shorthand for Madagascar |
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| 15:39.56 | Henry_Bean | ok, thanks |
| 15:40.29 | greycat | dpkg mg =~ s/it is also/or/ |
| 15:40.29 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 15:40.46 | asg | fuck, why do vendors always want to provide quotes; just give me the price per unit. Idiots. |
| 15:41.01 | greycat | the price for *you* is 37. |
| 15:41.15 | asg | greycat: us or canadian? |
| 15:41.15 | petemc | all sales people should be shot |
| 15:41.21 | jbroome | agreed |
| 15:41.23 | RichiH | asg: our |
| 15:41.24 | greycat | if they're providing quotes, they're like camelmongers. you're expected to haggle. |
| 15:41.39 | asg | greycat: 10 for that you must be mad! |
| 15:41.44 | Blissex | petemc: no, just redeployed in agriculture :-) |
| 15:41.47 | greycat | yes, like that. |
| 15:41.57 | greycat | Blissex: as fertilizer? |
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| 15:42.05 | asg | bah, I don't have time for that. |
| 15:42.10 | RichiH | greycat: only problem is, your standard camel needs modifications to fit into the 19'' rack in your basement |
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| 15:42.38 | AristoMagnus | Can you tell me where we can set or check what is the charset of the system |
| 15:42.43 | beardy | RichiH: You get the camel for free, and pay for the modification. |
| 15:42.49 | greycat | AristoMagnus: start by running "locale" |
| 15:42.59 | occy | ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.213 netmask 255.255.255.240 network 192.168.2.208 broadcast 192.168.2.223 |
| 15:43.11 | occy | route add default gw 192.168.2.209 |
| 15:43.15 | RichiH | beardy: you can lend a chainsaw anywhere, though |
| 15:43.15 | occy | should that work? |
| 15:43.18 | AristoMagnus | greycat: I dont want to run anything, im on a webhosting server and i just want to check the script file |
| 15:43.26 | greycat | then your question is meaningless. |
| 15:43.31 | greycat | "systems" don't have locales. |
| 15:43.36 | beardy | RichiH: Of course, you can always have the camel standing on the floor too. |
| 15:43.43 | greycat | processes have environments, and environment variables can select locales. |
| 15:43.58 | asuffield | processes can also select their own locales and ignore the environment |
| 15:44.18 | asuffield | (this is, in fact, the default) |
| 15:44.23 | beardy | RichiH: Yeah, but you have to know what you are doing with a chainsaw. |
| 15:44.32 | RichiH | beardy: chop bits off |
| 15:44.36 | RichiH | easy |
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| 15:44.59 | beardy | RichiH: Yeah, like fitting an ISA card in a PCI slot. |
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| 15:45.24 | greycat | asuffield: an i18n'ed "hello world" would frighten me. very badly. |
| 15:45.27 | occy | isn't there a dpkg --reconfigure network ? or something? |
| 15:45.38 | poison | hi, how can I add to the route table that everything for 192.168.2.0/24 must go to gateway 192.168.0.4 ? |
| 15:45.47 | beardy | occy: network is not a package |
| 15:45.50 | RichiH | !wayttd occy |
| 15:45.51 | greycat | poison: man route |
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| 15:45.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, occy? |
| 15:45.55 | occy | nm, I got it! |
| 15:45.57 | occy | heh |
| 15:46.00 | greycat | poison: /msg dpkg static route |
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| 15:46.26 | greycat | RichiH: has he finished googling the proper responses to 'what kernel, what version of debian, and what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say?" yet? |
| 15:46.37 | greycat | RichiH: so he can convince you he's running debian? |
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| 15:47.00 | poison | so route add -net 192.168.2.0/24 gw 192.168.0.4 ? |
| 15:47.10 | greycat | poison: could be. |
| 15:47.23 | asuffield | greycat: gnu hello is not only i18ned, it's l10ned into 31 locales |
| 15:47.37 | poison | and how do I save this so next time my network restarts it's restored? |
| 15:47.44 | greycat | asuffield: LA LA LA LA I can't hear you! ;-) |
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| 15:47.54 | greycat | poison: /msg dpkg static route |
| 15:48.15 | poison | yeah he says something about /etc/network/interfaces but I don't understand him |
| 15:48.19 | asuffield | asuffield@cyclone:~$ LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 hello |
| 15:48.19 | asuffield | ä¸çããããã«ã¡ã¯ï¼ |
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| 15:48.22 | asuffield | my terminal does not support this! |
| 15:48.27 | AristoMagnus | greycat: your right, then if a php script that send email tru sendmail, the charset will be the one of apache? |
| 15:48.28 | greycat | nor mine> |
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| 15:48.39 | greycat | AristoMagnus: if you want to change it, just change it. |
| 15:48.51 | beardy | poison: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:49.00 | smcavoy | Hello, I'm getting a "Method Not Allowed" (method POST) error on a Debian 3.0 with apache when I try to login to a php3 web app. <Limit> is not setup to disallow this, I even added a <Limit> directive to explictly allow this and still have the same problem. Any suggestions? |
| 15:49.12 | greycat | beardy: wanna bet we have another non-debian user? |
| 15:49.13 | AristoMagnus | greycat: but is it apache configuration for that matter? |
| 15:49.25 | beardy | greycat: how much? :) |
| 15:49.28 | greycat | AristoMagnus: anyone who configured apache to run in a non-english locale is weird. |
| 15:49.43 | poison | beardy : so just add it in the 'up' command? |
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| 15:49.54 | asuffield | asuffield@cyclone:~$ LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 hello |
| 15:49.54 | asuffield | 世界よ、こんにちは！ |
| 15:49.55 | AristoMagnus | greycat: im talking about charset, like ISO or UTF8 |
| 15:49.59 | asuffield | uxterm supports it, though |
| 15:50.38 | greycat | asuffield: a with two dots, weird comma in the lower-right, reverse-video V, c with a cedilla, reverse-video U, ... |
| 15:50.51 | beardy | poison: Yes, "in the appropriate interface's stanza" as it says, I guess, haven't done it. |
| 15:50.59 | asuffield | obviously your terminal is not utf-8 :P |
| 15:51.04 | hmakholm | Is it possible to use several preferences files with apt simultaneously? |
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| 15:51.11 | asuffield | the other option is EUC-JP, my terminal definitely isn't that |
| 15:51.23 | greycat | asuffield: HP-UX 10 can't *do* UTF-8. |
| 15:51.33 | asuffield | I bet it can't do CJK either |
| 15:51.56 | masadd | q: debian 3.1 doesnt work on my laptop....shall i wait for next one or try to fix this? |
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| 15:52.24 | beardy | masadd: Fix it. It most likely is fixable. |
| 15:52.26 | poison | beardy : thanks! |
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| 15:52.29 | greycat | well, there is a 'C.utf8' locale, but I don't know what it does. |
| 15:52.32 | beardy | poison: no problem. |
| 15:52.42 | greycat | maybe I should try it one day. |
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| 15:52.46 | beardy | masadd: Be more specific. |
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| 15:53.06 | greycat | masadd: I've not yet had a laptop sarge couldn't be installed onto. |
| 15:53.12 | masadd | well....beardy..debian hangs after isntallation on my aspire 1681 laptop.... |
| 15:53.18 | greycat | masadd: which doesn't prove anything, but I've done *lots*. |
| 15:53.21 | masadd | the only way to boot is using pci=off |
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| 15:53.38 | masadd | but that way lan/sound/agp wont work |
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| 15:53.51 | greycat | masadd: you tried both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? |
| 15:53.55 | masadd | yes |
| 15:53.57 | beardy | masadd: That's not as specific as you need to be. What's the last thing that happens, any error messages? (what they say exactly) and so on. |
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| 15:54.25 | masadd | something agpgart then something again... :( |
| 15:54.26 | occy | abrotman, module-init-tools is already the newest version. |
| 15:54.31 | beardy | masadd: If you aren't already, use the 2.6 kernel. |
| 15:54.39 | masadd | i will try again today...and then comeback here.... |
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| 15:54.45 | masadd | and tell... |
| 15:54.49 | occy | I think our kernel isn't setup right, cause mysql and other things aren't coming back up. |
| 15:54.50 | occy | :/ |
| 15:54.57 | beardy | masadd: And you are sure it "hangs"? Not just fails to start X? |
| 15:55.09 | masadd | it hangs....yeah |
| 15:55.10 | smcavoy | does anyone have suggestions on how to allow the POST method in specific dirs? |
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| 15:55.24 | greycat | smcavoy: sounds like an #apache question |
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| 15:55.53 | masadd | beardy....there are lots of stuff i forgot....last time i tried was when debian 3.1 was released....i will try again and then we will discuss...if u have time.... :) |
| 15:55.55 | occy | greycat, is there a how to for apt-get installing a new kernel? |
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| 15:56.00 | masadd | i really want to convert to linux.... |
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| 15:56.09 | occy | greycat, to make sure you get all the right stuff your system needs...? |
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| 15:56.27 | h_wendel | are there no longer security updates for the kernel in sarge? |
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| 15:56.35 | smcavoy | greycat: yeah, I asked yesterday, no luck. I was thinking it might be something debian specific |
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| 15:56.56 | cheal | h_wendel: no |
| 15:57.01 | abrotman | occy: how did you get a 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 15:57.01 | h_wendel | cheal: why not |
| 15:57.20 | cheal | h_wendel: there are still security updates |
| 15:57.27 | peterS | !ops deLTa onjoin |
| 15:57.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: deLTa onjoin |
| 15:57.35 | occy | abrotman, I did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:57.36 | h_wendel | cheal: well the last kernel i could find is from may, ubuntu fixed 25 CAN's since then |
| 15:57.59 | sward | smcavoy: It *is* an apache question (assuming apache), see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/core.html#limit |
| 15:58.01 | dspstv | hi, im trying to compile kernel 2.6.12 with wireless modules for ipw2100 i read at the You must have EXPERIMENTAL turned on to see the Intel PRO/Wireless |
| 15:58.01 | dspstv | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.08 | cheal | h_wendel: debian isn't based on ubuntu |
| 15:58.16 | beardy | masadd: Just ask away later, if you still have problems, I can't promise I'll be here, or have time, but someone will. |
| 15:58.16 | h_wendel | cheal: but the problems are in debian as well |
| 15:58.27 | cheal | h_wendel: most likely |
| 15:58.29 | kamaraju | I just tried to join #debian-tech but was surprised to see that I am the only person there. Is that channel up and running? |
| 15:58.36 | valdyn | dspstv: its not in 2.6.12 at all |
| 15:58.44 | h_wendel | cheal: so why aren't they fixed? |
| 15:58.50 | valdyn | dspstv: that driver is only 2.6.14-rc1+ |
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| 15:59.05 | masadd | ok beardy... |
| 15:59.14 | greycat | !ipw2100 |
| 15:59.15 | dpkg | well, ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
| 15:59.24 | valdyn | dspstv: and that ^^ |
| 15:59.26 | cheal | h_wendel: because there's not a DSA for each security issue...particularly not for kernel issues |
| 15:59.29 | dspstv | valdyn, but iread that in the ipw2100 sourceforge page |
| 15:59.44 | valdyn | dspstv: they are wrong or you read wrong |
| 15:59.50 | h_wendel | cheal: but i couldn't even find an updated package |
| 15:59.51 | abrotman | occy: then you're not using sarge |
| 15:59.53 | greycat | dspstv: then probably referred to a patched (read: "hacked") kernel |
| 16:00.01 | valdyn | dspstv: im not going to dig out the 2.6.14-rc1 changelog just for you ) |
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| 16:00.03 | beardy | masadd: So you don't have that computer near you know? |
| 16:00.07 | occy | abrotman, how can I ascertain what it is? |
| 16:00.08 | h_wendel | h_wendel: the last kernel package i could find is from may |
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| 16:00.20 | abrotman | occy: your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:00.31 | dspstv | valdyn i never asked your to dig for that, ) |
| 16:00.37 | occy | unstable |
| 16:00.41 | occy | heh |
| 16:00.50 | dspstv | just tell me where can i get sources for that kernel? |
| 16:00.51 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:00.53 | dspstv | plis |
| 16:00.54 | dspstv | ) |
| 16:01.03 | valdyn | dspstv: dont do it, use what dpkg said |
| 16:01.04 | h_wendel | cheal: the last kernel package i could find is from may |
| 16:01.17 | occy | abrotman, deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free that and deb-src |
| 16:01.20 | dspstv | oke |
| 16:01.31 | greycat | h_wendel: well, you get to pick your poison. either stay with debian kernel images (err... "linux images" now, post-sarge, some of the time) and have kernels that actually work, but may have unpatched security holes... OR... go with upstream kernels that haven't been tested more than twice before being released. |
| 16:01.34 | RichiH | greycat: he wanted to dpkg --reconfigure his network |
| 16:01.38 | abrotman | occy: and now what? .. you're running that on a server? |
| 16:01.39 | RichiH | *shrug* |
| 16:01.44 | occy | abrotman, is the only thing in my sources.list |
| 16:01.45 | cheal | h_wendel: the latest 2.6.8 kernel in debian is indeed from may |
| 16:01.46 | ales | hi, what you usualy check first when you get on boot "type ctrl-d or give root pass" ? |
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| 16:01.50 | occy | abrotman, *blush* yes. |
| 16:01.52 | masadd | anyone tried etch|sid?...how much unstable it is?...it comes with x.org....it might work without problems.... |
| 16:01.56 | abrotman | occy: welcome to unstable .. shit is broken .. enjoy |
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| 16:02.02 | greycat | !xorg sarge |
| 16:02.02 | dpkg | [xorg sarge] http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 16:02.04 | occy | abrotman, *sigh* |
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| 16:02.09 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone have ideas on why aterm doesn't execute this screen command in the same way xterm does? xterm -e "/usr/bin/screen -D -RR" & aterm -e "/usr/bin/screen -D -RR" & (aterm just bombs) |
| 16:02.18 | x64 | :s can anyone help me with this please? i get it when trying to ./configure php5 |
| 16:02.18 | x64 | checking libxml2 install dir... no |
| 16:02.18 | x64 | configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation. |
| 16:02.19 | cheal | !tell masadd about anyone |
| 16:02.25 | RichiH | masadd: get testing |
| 16:02.28 | greycat | x64: install the -dev package. |
| 16:02.28 | abrotman | occy: you need to fix your 2.6 kernel .. or try the newer 2.4 that's in unstable |
| 16:02.29 | RichiH | masadd: _not_ unstable |
| 16:02.35 | h_wendel | cheal, greycat: i just thought debian would take care of security issues, in the end it's famous for being a server system |
| 16:02.39 | x64 | ok thanks |
| 16:02.45 | greycat | h_wendel: it does... eventually. |
| 16:02.46 | cheal | masadd: etch is *not* sid |
| 16:02.55 | occy | abrotman, everything was working until we did the kernel install of 2.6 |
| 16:02.56 | h_wendel | greycat: eventually? |
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| 16:03.05 | abrotman | occy: the 2.4 doesn't boot anymore either? |
| 16:03.11 | cheal | h_wendel: it does, to a limited extent |
| 16:03.12 | occy | abrotman, it doesn't boot properly |
| 16:03.16 | greycat | the DSA team is like the nethack devteam. they work in secret, and you get it when it's ready. |
| 16:03.18 | masadd | ok.. |
| 16:03.19 | abrotman | (this is why people shuldn't use sid/unstable) |
| 16:03.21 | occy | abrotman, I restored the backup of /boot/grub I made |
| 16:03.26 | occy | abrotman, yessir, I know. |
| 16:03.27 | occy | :( |
| 16:03.27 | abrotman | occy: still doesn't work? |
| 16:03.30 | h_wendel | cheal, greycat: this extend seems very limited |
| 16:03.38 | occy | abrotman, no... didn't work |
| 16:03.41 | abrotman | occy: let me guess .. there's data on there you can't lose ? |
| 16:03.42 | greycat | h_wendel: it's not limited. it's just slow. |
| 16:03.46 | hmakholm | Who knows the exact syntax for a #include directive in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 16:03.49 | abrotman | occy: and it's SATA drives? |
| 16:03.50 | h_wendel | cheal, greycat: i wouln't call 25 security issues acceptable for a server |
| 16:03.54 | greycat | hmakholm: the man page? |
| 16:03.58 | dspstv | valdyn, one question, i got the sources as dpkg says, but i have no module-assistant command..is that part of a system package? |
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| 16:04.05 | hmakholm | greycat: Wrong answer, far as I can tell. |
| 16:04.07 | occy | abrotman, they are scsi in a raid array |
| 16:04.11 | valdyn | dspstv: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 16:04.14 | greycat | h_wendel: then firewall it with an openbsd box. |
| 16:04.15 | Zardoz | Hi, how do I install Xorg? |
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| 16:04.16 | dspstv | k |
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| 16:04.17 | abrotman | occy: erm .. ok |
| 16:04.20 | greycat | Zardoz: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 16:04.25 | valdyn | !m-a |
| 16:04.25 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 16:04.43 | h_wendel | greycat: what does a firewall help with local security issues |
| 16:04.47 | cheal | h_wendel: it's unlikely that any up-to-date Debian kernel is affected by 25 security issues |
| 16:04.51 | hmakholm | The man page says that there is a #include directive, but does not disclose its precise syntax... |
| 16:04.56 | abrotman | occy: you're going to have to work through the issues with grub .. i've never had the pivot error .. but then again .. i don't run sid when the data matters |
| 16:04.59 | cheal | h_wendel: I mean publicly known issues |
| 16:05.02 | h_wendel | cheal: i just counted the CAN's fixed by ubuntu in 2.6.8 since may |
| 16:05.02 | greycat | h_wendel: *shrug*. you know where openbsd is. |
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| 16:05.18 | occy | abrotman, understood |
| 16:05.23 | occy | abrotman, you play with fire..... |
| 16:05.24 | occy | heh |
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| 16:05.29 | cheal | h_wendel: that doesn't mean these flaws will affect every kernel |
| 16:05.33 | h_wendel | greycat: i like debian and just wandered |
| 16:05.34 | greycat | hmakholm: read the source, patch the man page, file a bug report. |
| 16:05.39 | h_wendel | cheal: ok |
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| 16:05.47 | jjazz | On Debian, as what user does Apache run? |
| 16:05.47 | abrotman | occy: i'd check google for a solution |
| 16:05.48 | h_wendel | greycat: s/wandered/wondered/ |
| 16:05.48 | mesfet | debhelper samba share violation |
| 16:05.54 | hmakholm | greycat: Yes, that's plan B. |
| 16:06.04 | Tuttle_ | Hi, I have a really annoying problem. I just installed from the bussinesscard CD image to two SW RAID1 identical disks. After it installs the base system, installs LILO, it tries to boot the new system. The boot process comes to ide disks detection and then the machine is immediaatelly reset.. what can I do with it? |
| 16:06.08 | greycat | jjazz: read the /etc/apache/*.conf file and see. |
| 16:06.11 | greycat | jjazz: or ps(1) |
| 16:06.14 | jjazz | greycat: thanks |
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| 16:06.28 | abrotman | jjazz: typically www-data |
| 16:06.32 | abrotman | but double check |
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| 16:07.02 | valdyn | !raid |
| 16:07.02 | dpkg | from memory, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
| 16:07.12 | x64 | !users |
| 16:07.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, users is Mithrandi |
| 16:07.16 | x64 | :o |
| 16:07.21 | XFlame | Good Afternoon |
| 16:07.41 | h_wendel | greaycat, cheal: i thought it was famous for sometimes having a bit old but stable and secure software, but if it has neither... |
| 16:07.41 | abrotman | barely |
| 16:07.43 | antgel | Tuttle_: are you using sarge? sarge should install grub, not lilo |
| 16:07.58 | abrotman | antgel: i foudn out .. that if you use netinst .. seems to install lilo by default if you use LVM |
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| 16:08.04 | fbi | antgel: expert install you can select lilo, although i don't know why you would |
| 16:08.04 | abrotman | unless i'm retarded ... |
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| 16:08.08 | abrotman | wait .. /me looks around |
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| 16:08.18 | Lee__ | so close to getting a cache of the security updates...only 16K more... |
| 16:08.23 | XFlame | Exists some publishing Javascript for Linux? |
| 16:08.32 | greycat | some *what*? |
| 16:08.38 | occy | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/372063 |
| 16:08.48 | dspstv | !ipw2100 |
| 16:08.48 | dpkg | ipw2100 is, like, a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
| 16:08.53 | occy | abrotman, would this work for me on Debian? http://occy.net/node/142 |
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| 16:09.15 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 16:09.28 | abrotman | but hey . why not .. what do you have to lose? :) |
| 16:09.29 | occy | abrotman, I was thinking it would just put the kernel back properly. |
| 16:09.33 | occy | abrotman, heh |
| 16:10.07 | occy | uname -r 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 16:10.10 | occy | odd |
| 16:10.25 | h_wendel | greaycat, cheal: i don't want to flame, i'm just searching for the reasons |
| 16:11.01 | greycat | h_wendel: the reason is lack of human power. |
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| 16:11.04 | cheal | h_wendel: the reason is the lack of activity of the security team...except for one member |
| 16:11.20 | h_wendel | greaycat, cheal: since when did that change? |
| 16:11.39 | h_wendel | greaycat, cheal: i seem to remember that woody had quite good activities |
| 16:11.57 | greycat | I remember some kernel updates taking *forever* even in the potato/woody days |
| 16:12.24 | cheal | h_wendel: I don't think that ever changed much. I think it's more the security issues discovery rate in debian versus one man's power ratio that changes |
| 16:12.31 | h_wendel | hm, a pitty |
| 16:13.28 | h_wendel | still woody had seen kernel updates, sarge not one until now |
| 16:13.50 | cheal | h_wendel: sarge was only released 3/4 months ago |
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| 16:14.04 | h_wendel | only? |
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| 16:14.37 | Zardoz | isn't there a apt-get command to install xorg? dpkg only gave me a url... |
| 16:14.41 | Tuttle_ | antgel: would it matter, when the system is already booted? |
| 16:15.00 | greycat | Zardoz: what did you see when you went to that URL? |
| 16:15.11 | cheal | Zardoz: yes, apt-get install package_for_xorg |
| 16:15.28 | ke6isf | Zardoz: You're running sarge? |
| 16:15.52 | Zardoz | Linux node23 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:15.56 | Zardoz | is that sarge? |
| 16:16.03 | mesfet | I've a trouble with samba, after the upgrade from 2.x to 3.0.14a: accessing files from outlook and win98, i get "share violation". Could somebody tell me which smb.conf (if any) parameter should I change to avoid this trouble? |
| 16:16.06 | ke6isf | Zardoz: No, that's Linux 2.4.27. |
| 16:16.10 | nkuttler | Zardoz: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:16.23 | Zardoz | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:16.30 | Zardoz | 3.1 |
| 16:16.37 | ke6isf | Yep, it's sarge. |
| 16:16.52 | Zardoz | okay, so what is this package_for_xorg? |
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| 16:16.58 | ke6isf | Zardoz: dpkg, when asked about 'xorg', will give instructions. Follow them. |
| 16:16.59 | ke6isf | !xorg |
| 16:16.59 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg> |
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| 16:17.05 | ke6isf | QED. |
| 16:17.16 | cheal | Zardoz: none for sarge |
| 16:17.34 | Zardoz | so I can't use it? |
| 16:17.37 | x64 | how can i do a system search for a filename? |
| 16:17.46 | ke6isf | Zardoz: No, you can use it. Follow the instructions that dpkg just gave in the channel. |
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| 16:18.00 | cheal | Zardoz: except if you have unofficial sources such as those mentionned in the xorg sarge factoid |
| 16:18.03 | x64 | like libphp5.so |
| 16:18.08 | Zardoz | !get xorg |
| 16:18.08 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 16:18.15 | cheal | x64: man locate |
| 16:18.15 | marculix | x64: find . -type f -print |
| 16:18.18 | ke6isf | !tell Zardoz -about msg the bot |
| 16:18.20 | Zardoz | I don't understand |
| 16:18.27 | cheal | !xorg sarge |
| 16:18.28 | dpkg | i guess xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 16:18.30 | x64 | :s thanks |
| 16:18.45 | Zardoz | there is no xorg in that url |
| 16:18.59 | marculix | x64: find . -type f -name <whatyourarelookingfor> -print |
| 16:19.03 | ke6isf | Zardoz: Try '/msg dpkg xorg', etc. |
| 16:19.06 | marculix | x64: better... |
| 16:19.15 | x64 | thanks P |
| 16:19.16 | x64 | :p |
| 16:19.22 | nkuttler | Zardoz: what is there? |
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| 16:19.38 | cheal | Zardoz: there is, but if you don't realize it, you're probably better keeping XFree86 |
| 16:19.39 | Zardoz | oh wtf, do i have to download every single on of those files? |
| 16:19.41 | ke6isf | nkuttler: A sources.list file. |
| 16:19.47 | nkuttler | ke6isf: i know |
| 16:19.58 | ke6isf | Zardoz: You're new to Debian, aren't you? =^_^= |
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| 16:20.16 | Zardoz | kinda... haven't used it for 4 years |
| 16:20.23 | Zardoz | just getting the drift of it again |
| 16:20.29 | hutgyyr | if im chmod ing a directory, how do I specify it to include all the directorys in it |
| 16:20.30 | Zardoz | I used to use Gentoo |
| 16:20.32 | nkuttler | Zardoz: that url is an official source, man sources.list |
| 16:20.34 | ke6isf | Zardoz: That sources.list is key here. Append that to yours and proceed. |
| 16:20.50 | vagabund | !gentoo |
| 16:20.50 | dpkg | somebody said gentoo was a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385, or rice rice rice rice, or ... |
| 16:21.26 | greycat | dpkg, gentoo =~ s#/,#/#g |
| 16:21.26 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 16:21.31 | nkuttler | um, unofficial even |
| 16:21.42 | greycat | dpkg, gentoo =~ s#5,#5# |
| 16:21.42 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 16:22.06 | grronnin | anyone know how to fix widescreen-setting at Debian? |
| 16:22.12 | Zardoz | So I ad that url to my apt sources? |
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| 16:22.24 | ke6isf | No, add the sources you see there to your sources. |
| 16:22.27 | grronnin | my monitor is widescreen.. |
| 16:22.36 | cheal | grronnin: what resolution? |
| 16:22.51 | masadd | i only need the first cd to instal sarge...right? |
| 16:22.56 | grronnin | cheal: 1680x1050 |
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| 16:23.12 | ke6isf | !tell masadd -about netinst |
| 16:23.13 | cheal | masadd: yes... |
| 16:23.21 | masadd | ok |
| 16:23.33 | Zardoz | where do I put the url in my sources list? |
| 16:23.37 | greycat | at the end. |
| 16:23.44 | greycat | and you don't put the URL! |
| 16:23.50 | greycat | you put the CONTENTS OF THE FILE. |
| 16:23.53 | Lee__ | would it be possible to use X to rotate a screen 90 degrees? or would that be a kernel driver thing? |
| 16:23.59 | greycat | and you read "man source.list" before we yell at you. |
| 16:24.05 | greycat | "man sources.list" even. |
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| 16:24.15 | ke6isf | Zardoz: I told you, you put that file at the end. That's what 'append' means. And what greycat said, 'man sources.list'. |
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| 16:24.42 | cheal | grronnin: try 855resolution |
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| 16:24.45 | huron_ | hi all, http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34 says all kde 3.4 were uploaded to sid ... but a dist-upgrade is still planning to remove a lot of kde related progs on my computer |
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| 16:24.59 | Shadowcat | huron_: if you don't know what that does |
| 16:25.00 | cheal | !kde3.4 |
| 16:25.00 | dpkg | KDE Version 3.4 is currently in sid; ask me about <why is kdebase not in testing> if you want to know when it will reach testing. |
| 16:25.00 | huron_ | like koffice for instance |
| 16:25.02 | occy | abrotman, so you don't think that since etc/network/interfaces and mysql isn't starting, that I don't simply need to install something to do with init? |
| 16:25.03 | Shadowcat | you shouldn't be running sid |
| 16:25.14 | huron_ | you gys using sid have upgraded without problems ? |
| 16:25.19 | Shadowcat | !sid |
| 16:25.19 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 16:25.20 | nkuttler | Lee__: according to the docs, yes. but it never worked for me. |
| 16:25.21 | Shadowcat | !unstable |
| 16:25.21 | dpkg | i guess unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 16:25.27 | cheal | !tell huron_ about sid |
| 16:25.29 | Shadowcat | !break |
| 16:25.29 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 16:25.40 | Zardoz | Okay I put it at the bottem but I get an error when I update |
| 16:25.52 | nkuttler | Zardoz: you didn't read man sources.list |
| 16:25.57 | ke6isf | Zardoz: You haven't done 'apt-get update' yet, have you? |
| 16:26.04 | Lee__ | nkuttler: thanks. is there maybe a kernel space hack that would do the same thing? or do I just have to read the X docs and live with it? |
| 16:26.06 | Zardoz | I think my sources.list is weird |
| 16:26.06 | Zardoz | yes |
| 16:26.16 | nkuttler | Lee__: no idea |
| 16:26.22 | Lee__ | aight |
| 16:26.22 | Zardoz | please /j #sources so I can show you what it looks like |
| 16:26.23 | huron_ | I'm aware of that |
| 16:26.27 | Zardoz | tell me if it's correct |
| 16:26.29 | ke6isf | Zardoz: OK, join #flood and paste it there. |
| 16:26.30 | huron_ | I use sid since a pretty long time |
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| 16:26.42 | grronnin | cheal: 1680x1050 is my resolution |
| 16:26.44 | ke6isf | Zardoz: No, join #flood. We here use #flood or a pastebin. |
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| 16:27.51 | hmakholm | Zardoz: You're missing "deb" from the begnning of the last line |
| 16:27.58 | ke6isf | Zardoz: OK, first off, we have told you n times - you don't just put the URL in the file, you put the contents of the sources.list at that URL at the bottom of the file. |
| 16:28.07 | ke6isf | Zardoz: As such, strike that URL and replace it accordingly |
| 16:28.08 | greycat | hmakholm: did he forget to *click* the sources.list link and read it? |
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| 16:28.32 | hmakholm | greycat: Yes. Also I'm blind. |
| 16:28.36 | Zardoz | I don't under stand, please type the command in #flood |
| 16:28.45 | ke6isf | Zardoz: ebbeh... |
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| 16:28.49 | greycat | Zardoz: CLICK THE source.list LINK IN THE LINK THAT DPKG GAVE. |
| 16:28.57 | greycat | BAH! My 's' key must be acting up. |
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| 16:29.05 | Zardoz | I did |
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| 16:29.21 | ke6isf | Zardoz: When you have followed greycat's instructions, highlight the contents that pop up on the screen, and copy it into sources.list using your favorite text editor. |
| 16:29.37 | Zardoz | umm wtf |
| 16:29.48 | greycat | you know, a text editor. |
| 16:29.50 | ke6isf | Zardoz: What part is so hard to understand? |
| 16:29.56 | greycat | like vi, nano, emacs, joe, ... |
| 16:29.59 | Zardoz | Well I did paste it in |
| 16:30.03 | hmakholm | Zardoz: You have an URL. Go to that URL in your favourite web browser. You will see a directory. |
| 16:30.06 | ke6isf | Zardoz: No, you pasted the URL in. |
| 16:30.10 | Zardoz | but its not correct, can;t you just cat you file? |
| 16:30.12 | ke6isf | Zardoz: That is not correct procedure, so it won't work. |
| 16:30.16 | Zardoz | it will be much easyer! |
| 16:30.22 | greycat | Zardoz: it's two fucking lines to add. jesus. |
| 16:30.26 | Shadowcat | if you wanted an easy distro |
| 16:30.30 | Shadowcat | you wouldn't be running debian |
| 16:30.30 | Zardoz | well, what are the lines!?!? |
| 16:30.35 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:30.38 | nkuttler | !lazy |
| 16:30.38 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 16:30.44 | Zardoz | shhhh |
| 16:30.45 | Shadowcat | !read |
| 16:30.46 | dpkg | [read] what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
| 16:30.50 | mith | !mith nkuttler |
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| 16:30.59 | Shadowcat | !slap Zardoz |
| 16:31.00 | nkuttler | Zardoz: read through your /lastlog, you have been told like 1000 times |
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| 16:31.32 | Zardoz | ahh fuck it |
| 16:31.38 | Zardoz | I don't understand |
| 16:31.44 | Zardoz | this is beyond me |
| 16:31.46 | ke6isf | Zardoz: What part is so hard to understand? |
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| 16:31.56 | nkuttler | ke6isf: thinking |
| 16:31.59 | Zardoz | well, I don't know wtf you are talkng about lol |
| 16:31.59 | Shadowcat | he doesn't understand how to add two lines to a file? |
| 16:32.01 | rjalex | anyone knows why openoffice2 takes AGES to startup ? installed from openoffice.org2-common 1.9.125+2.0beta2-1 from experimental |
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| 16:32.07 | Zardoz | I am as noob as they come |
| 16:32.07 | fbi | Zardoz: if it's so damn important that you have xorg and you can't figure it out, just upgrade to testing for christ's sake. |
| 16:32.09 | asg | rjalex: #debian-oo might |
| 16:32.16 | Shadowcat | rjalex: because you're running experimental? |
| 16:32.18 | rjalex | asg : thanks |
| 16:32.19 | hmakholm | Shadowcat: No, he doesn't understand how to use a web browser to view a URL. |
| 16:32.21 | Shadowcat | it's not supposed to work |
| 16:32.21 | ke6isf | Zardoz: I can get my own mother running Debian. |
| 16:32.22 | jjazz | ls |
| 16:32.33 | Zardoz | just paste the 2 lines please |
| 16:32.34 | mith | Zardoz: if you can't figure out how to install xorg, you probably don't need it anyways. |
| 16:32.37 | Zardoz | in #flood |
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| 16:32.48 | Shadowcat | mith: is that what he's trying to do? |
| 16:32.50 | ke6isf | Zardoz: IT. IS. IN. FRONT. OF. YOU. IN. YOUR. WEB. BROWSER. |
| 16:32.52 | Shadowcat | install xorg? |
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| 16:32.59 | mith | Shadowcat: from the looks of things |
| 16:33.00 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 16:33.06 | ke6isf | Zardoz: If you can't copy it from there, you can't copy it from IRC either. |
| 16:33.06 | Shadowcat | mith: then he's an idiot |
| 16:33.09 | jjazz | ke6isf: My mom is running debian stable with KDE. She had never touched a computer until about 2 years ago. |
| 16:33.13 | Zardoz | whats the url? |
| 16:33.14 | asg | Zardoz: if you haven't used Debian in 4 years and have used Gentoo since then, you don't qualify as a noob. |
| 16:33.18 | ke6isf | jjazz: QED. |
| 16:33.25 | ke6isf | oh, bloody hell! |
| 16:33.27 | Shadowcat | asg: I doubt he's done that |
| 16:33.37 | Shadowcat | gentoo's even more of a pain in the ass to install than debian |
| 16:33.41 | Shadowcat | so if he's managed to install that |
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| 16:33.45 | mith | Zardoz: right, he qualifies as your typical gentoo retard |
| 16:33.45 | asg | Shadowcat: I'm only quoting his claim from earlier |
| 16:33.47 | greycat | debian's not a pain to install. |
| 16:33.47 | mith | erm |
| 16:33.48 | Zardoz | ohhh |
| 16:33.51 | mith | s/Zardoz/asg/ |
| 16:33.54 | Shadowcat | he must at least know how to edit something |
| 16:33.55 | greycat | at least, not on i386 with reasonable hardware |
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| 16:33.55 | Zardoz | I got it |
| 16:34.03 | Zardoz | I couldn't see that link |
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| 16:34.09 | Shadowcat | greycat: now go install it on an atari |
| 16:34.10 | Shadowcat | :) |
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| 16:34.23 | ke6isf | By jove, I think we've had an enlightenment moment! |
| 16:34.28 | mith | greycat: i've not had much problems installing debian on anything except for an old raq :P |
| 16:34.28 | penguin | How do you get Data Dumper to tell what is being dumped? |
| 16:34.29 | greycat | Shadowcat: I never bothered to try a third time to get it installed on the hppa box. |
| 16:34.39 | greycat | penguin: sounds like a #perl question |
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| 16:36.16 | Zardoz | how, what is the apt-get command? |
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| 16:36.26 | Vixenos | where are stocked the deleted files ? |
| 16:36.32 | Zardoz | sources updated sucessfully |
| 16:36.34 | ke6isf | Vixenos: /dev/null |
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| 16:36.48 | asg | Vixenos: your backup tapes |
| 16:37.04 | greycat | Vixenos: underneath the power supply |
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| 16:37.23 | Zardoz | ke6isf, whats the apt-get command to install it now? |
| 16:37.31 | Coke | Hello. I have tried to use vobcopy to merge several VOB-files copied a long time ago from a DVD, no such luck. Is there any utility in Debian that can merge VOB's (mpeg-2) into one mpeg? |
| 16:37.34 | ke6isf | !tell Zardoz -about get xorg |
| 16:38.07 | ke6isf | Zardoz: That said, I won't do xorg. I don't really feel comfortable with anything with a "use at your own risk" label. =^_^= |
| 16:38.20 | greycat | if you don't need to use it, don't. |
| 16:38.27 | Shadowcat | !tell Zardoz about annoying |
| 16:38.27 | asg | ke6isf: Debian has the same label |
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| 16:38.30 | Zardoz | ? |
| 16:38.31 | greycat | it's there for the folks who *need* it for their video chipsets |
| 16:38.38 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 16:38.40 | fbi | Coke: i *think* dvd::rip can do such a thing |
| 16:38.40 | beardy | Live at your own risk. |
| 16:38.40 | Zardoz | But it's been out for a while, heaps of people use it! |
| 16:38.43 | Coke | Ohhhh! Seems mpeg-2 streams can be concatenated without problem using cat. :) Hehe. |
| 16:38.47 | ke6isf | asg: Yes, but 'stable' is extremely so, it seems. The only thing that's brought it down is a power outage or two. |
| 16:38.48 | sgeigerbot | What is the recommended way to programatically, gracefully close apps like firefox and thunderbird when 'halt'ing a machine? Which file would I use? And would I simply send a certain signal? |
| 16:38.48 | Shadowcat | Zardoz: and your point is? |
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| 16:38.53 | Zardoz | so whats the problem? |
| 16:39.00 | Coke | fbi: well, it's easier than that. I forgot that mpeg streams are totally sequential. |
| 16:39.03 | Zardoz | Is Debian incapable of handling it? |
| 16:39.07 | Shadowcat | the problem is that you don't seem t be smart enough to run it |
| 16:39.16 | Shadowcat | it took you 20 min to add two lines to a text file |
| 16:39.17 | asg | ke6isf: oh, I agree. It's still use at your own risk (you can't sue Debian if it trashes your frobbnitz) |
| 16:39.19 | ke6isf | Zardoz: Why isn't it in stable? Ask yourself that. |
| 16:39.19 | sgeigerbot | (I ask because those apps will give me profile related problems if they weren't closed down before I halt the machine. |
| 16:39.21 | greycat | sgeigerbot: I thought any leftover processes already got a SIGTERM at shutdown time? |
| 16:39.29 | ke6isf | asg: Indeedy. |
| 16:39.40 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Yes...but the profile problem doesn't seem to get handled nicely. |
| 16:39.54 | sgeigerbot | greycat: That's the worst part of those applications. |
| 16:40.47 | hmakholm | ke6isf: It isn't in stable because adding was deliberately postponed to after the current stable released. Doesn't mean that it's _inherently_ unstable itself. |
| 16:40.56 | greycat | sgeigerbot: perhaps you should consider *not* halting the machine. |
| 16:41.00 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Do you use those apps? If so, do you use "halt" to shut down the machine? Maybe I'm just doing things in a way that people don't normally do them. |
| 16:41.02 | hackeron | hey, is nvidia-kernel missing from amd64 etch? -- I'm finding documentation to the contrary but my 2 sources (de and fr) with contrib and non-fre show no results for nvidia-kernel. Any ideas? |
| 16:41.13 | greycat | sgeigerbot: you LITERALLY TYPE THE WORD "halt"?? |
| 16:41.14 | asg | hackeron: #debian-amd64 might know |
| 16:41.16 | greycat | !smite sgeigerbot |
| 16:41.18 | sgeigerbot | greycat: ok. "shutdown"? |
| 16:41.19 | hackeron | asg: thanks |
| 16:41.25 | Shadowcat | hmakholm: xorg in unstable is UNSTABLE |
| 16:41.28 | hackeron | j #debian-amd64 |
| 16:41.30 | sgeigerbot | greycat: :-) It seems to work. |
| 16:41.30 | hackeron | woops |
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| 16:41.59 | greycat | sgeigerbot: on the rather rare occasions I feel a need to reboot, I close every app and every window, exit from X, and hit ctrl-alt-del on the text console. |
| 16:42.02 | sgeigerbot | greycat: "shutdown -h" is more typing. |
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| 16:42.12 | sgeigerbot | ok |
| 16:42.14 | topa_ | is xcompmgr not available for etch ? |
| 16:42.27 | sgeigerbot | greycat: It's a laptop...and I don't have suspend working on it. |
| 16:42.34 | fbi | topa_: you can Google for unofficial packages for xcompmgr and transset |
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| 16:42.37 | sgeigerbot | greycat: And I take this machine everywhere. |
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| 16:42.59 | hmakholm | Shadowcat: I fail to see your point. |
| 16:43.15 | greycat | sgeigerbot: on the laptops I install, I put "please login as .... or press Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot" right in the /etc/issue file. |
| 16:43.17 | kitus | hi to all |
| 16:43.28 | greycat | sgeigerbot: since they're dual-boot |
| 16:43.50 | Lee__ | would one know of a cache of libdps1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1_i386.deb from security.debian.org? It's the last package I need and it keeps timing out. |
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| 16:44.40 | ke6isf | Lee__: What are the symptoms? |
| 16:44.45 | Lee__ | timeout |
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| 16:44.54 | asg | ke6isf: /topic |
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| 16:45.11 | ke6isf | asg: Still slow, eh? |
| 16:45.15 | asg | ke6isf: yep |
| 16:45.19 | ke6isf | Lee__: Just keep trying. |
| 16:45.25 | Lee__ | I'm trying to at least build up one full cache of the updates so I can point all the systems to that, but this one package keeps timing out. |
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| 16:45.48 | sgeigerbot | What does the "KP_1" in Alt-Control-KP_1 mean? |
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| 16:45.52 | greycat | keypad 1 |
| 16:45.54 | asg | sgeigerbot: keypad 1 |
| 16:45.59 | dspstv | !ieee80211 |
| 16:46.00 | beardy | greycat: Personally, on some things, I replace "/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now" (the default for Ctrl-Alt-Del) with echo "If you really mean it, use "halt" or "reboot", in case the box has a keyboard which can be dropped on the floor or simillar, if I don't want to take the risk of having it do a Ctrl-Alt-Del, or myself when I don't mean it :) |
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| 16:46.06 | asg | Lee__: find the full url to it and have wget slurp it down |
| 16:46.22 | greycat | beardy: depends on the machine obviously |
| 16:46.22 | dspstv | !ieee80211-modules |
| 16:46.28 | beardy | greycat: Yeah. |
| 16:46.30 | asg | dspstv: /msg dpkg listkeys |
| 16:46.36 | throckmorton | whyisn'tmyspacebarworking |
| 16:46.41 | asg | dspstv: /msg dpkg listvals |
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| 16:46.53 | asg | throckmorton: itsbrokenperhaps? |
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| 16:47.27 | Henry_Bean | hello, anybody has made the deb packages for enlightenment e17? |
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| 16:47.44 | asg | Henry_Bean: /msg dpkg e17 |
| 16:47.45 | throckmorton | Iwaswonderingifanyoneisrunningdebianonanibook |
| 16:47.51 | asg | throckmorton: #debianppc |
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| 16:48.35 | beardy | Henry_Bean: Search the repositories, or google? |
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| 16:48.57 | dancek | Can someone tell me, do vanilla Debian kernels have LVM compiled as a module or into the kernel? |
| 16:49.04 | Henry_Bean | i would like to make it by my own... |
| 16:49.13 | RichiH | throckmorton: /join #debianppc |
| 16:49.18 | Henry_Bean | i'm having a problem with changelog file |
| 16:49.20 | RichiH | throckmorton: you can copy and paste that, if you need to |
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| 16:51.29 | kitus | somebody knows how to configure the keyboard? |
| 16:51.42 | terrex | how can i retrieve a list of names from a dns server? |
| 16:51.44 | dspstv | asg, im trying to use module-assistant to get ipw2100 running. it fails cuase of lack of a dep on ieee80211, i have it installed as source but module-assistant looks for 2.6.12 version |
| 16:51.52 | sgeigerbot | kitus: be more specific |
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| 16:52.06 | asg | terrex: dig |
| 16:52.09 | greycat | terrex: apt-get install dnsutils |
| 16:52.52 | Henry_Bean | because i'm using amd64 |
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| 16:53.22 | sgeigerbot | kitus: Be more specific: What do you want to do? |
| 16:54.06 | greycat | kitus: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 16:54.14 | greycat | sgeigerbot: give vague answers to vague questions |
| 16:54.42 | sgeigerbot | greycat: problem is, I'm too creative. I could come up with an endless number of answers. |
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| 16:55.04 | kitus | i want to set the system char with the keyboard key |
| 16:55.04 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Some offtopic question: I've got a HP procurve 2324 switch, which has a gigabit transceiver module. I also have a cable for that module. My quoestion: ir it possible to redo that cable, so one end will be plugged into the sw module, and the other end is RJ45, which would be plugged into a gigabit ethernet device? |
| 16:55.20 | greycat | the system char? you want to blacken your system over a fire? |
| 16:55.20 | sgeigerbot | kitus: the system char? Be more specific. |
| 16:55.33 | sgeigerbot | kitus: just tell us what you want to do... |
| 16:56.07 | kitus | example>> shift+2=@ |
| 16:56.07 | throckmorton | whenitrytousemyspacebaritsays"0x41" |
| 16:56.13 | asg | hid3: try #hardware |
| 16:56.20 | hid3 | asg: thanks |
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| 16:57.59 | beardy | kitus: Try to be more specific. Do you mean you want to change the charset? |
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| 16:58.26 | throckmorton | whatis"0x41"? |
| 16:58.32 | greycat | a number |
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| 16:59.14 | anthraxx | erhm, any idea why i only receive the first line of the body from mails? |
| 16:59.19 | nerdy2 | (specifically 65) |
| 16:59.35 | greycat | 4 times 16 plus 1 |
| 16:59.35 | greycat | kitus: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 16:59.57 | nerdy2 | (or 'A' in ascii :)) |
| 17:00.15 | greycat | and certainly not a space. |
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| 17:00.56 | nerdy2 | my bank pin used to have '65' in it, because it was the ascii code for A, and i thought that was easy enough to remember |
| 17:01.29 | greycat | you chose your own? they mailed me a random one. |
| 17:01.44 | nerdy2 | when i first set up my account, they let me choose my own, yes |
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| 17:01.48 | greycat | not that it matters much. it's on the fucking card for anyone with a reader to see. |
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| 17:02.05 | beardy | I choosed my own too. |
| 17:02.10 | nerdy2 | heh i didn't realize that |
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| 17:02.18 | kitus | thanks, bye >( |
| 17:02.20 | nerdy2 | i need to get a magnetic stripe reader :) |
| 17:02.21 | beardy | Yeah, and those short pincodes take a few seconds to try them all. |
| 17:02.24 | kitus | :D |
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| 17:05.42 | SysAdmin | damn taken |
| 17:06.01 | greycat | wow, interesting spam. |
| 17:06.02 | greycat | 1899 Sep 23 Shari Tate ( 0) dont be a moron |
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| 17:06.29 | FallOnMe | greycat: PIN is not on the card, where did you get that from? |
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| 17:06.38 | A-abc | when i try to run this command : /etc/init.d/apache2 restart -> i get this error arp: need hardware address; how could i fix that? pls help, i need my web server |
| 17:06.42 | occy | greycat, abrotman http://pastebin.com/372107 That's a full history of what we've done. |
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| 17:08.02 | nkuttler | A-abc: what did you do before it stopped working? |
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| 17:10.34 | greycat | ok, the PIN is actually hashed/encrypted... but still, a 4- or 6-digit pin? that's 16 or 24 bits of security. |
| 17:10.49 | greycat | that would take, what, 45 seconds to crack? |
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| 17:13.41 | FallOnMe | I wonder how would the bank magically change the PIN on the card if I forgot the previous one and asked them to mail me a new one. |
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| 17:14.33 | scarynetworkguy | FallOnMe: You have to go to a branch to change it. Think about it for just a second. |
| 17:14.34 | nkuttler | FallOnMe: why do you think the PIN is on the card? |
| 17:14.44 | scarynetworkguy | nkuttler: It is. |
| 17:14.44 | sgeigerbot | greycat: less time than that. |
| 17:14.44 | FallOnMe | nkuttler: I don't |
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| 17:14.54 | scarynetworkguy | Yes banks and CUs are lame but they aren't that lame. |
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| 17:15.31 | sgeigerbot | greycat: You can brute-force alpha-based passwords of length 4 in 3 seconds. Numeric-only ones should be even faster. |
| 17:15.58 | FallOnMe | scarynetworkguy: Indeed, but my bank (clerk) doesn't know the PIN. I just tell them to send me a new one. |
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| 17:16.56 | pshaggy | I've installed CUPS and can see my printer on the USB bus. I've added the printer under the web admin tool but whenever I try to print (as myself or root) the job shows up as an aborted job. The printer never gives any signal that it receives info. Any advice (in addition to rtfm)? |
| 17:17.55 | Gathond | pshaggy: read the cups log (which would be close to reading the manual) |
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| 17:19.11 | A-abc | nkuttler: i really don't know; |
| 17:19.22 | grronnin | where is the XF86Config-file usually? |
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| 17:19.52 | cheal | grronnin: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:20.16 | Kempston | how do i prevent dhclient from exit? |
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| 17:20.22 | deby | hello, is it posibile from internet to spoof it's ip so it apears that is connecting from a local ip, and so too pass the firewall rules ? |
| 17:20.31 | grronnin | cheal: of course that's why I didn't find it.. I wasn't not on the root when I searched :-P |
| 17:20.34 | nkuttler | A-abc: what happens when you run arp? |
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| 17:21.52 | A-abc | nkuttler: well, i actually use arp like that: "arp -f /etc/ethers" ; and everything it's ok |
| 17:22.06 | A-abc | i don't have any problems with arp |
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| 17:22.50 | simonrvn | ravenbird: hello |
| 17:22.51 | nkuttler | A-abc: can you run apache2ctl start? |
| 17:22.51 | ravenbird | HI, simonrvn! |
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| 17:23.31 | Pfated | Gosh, birdy sure is enthusiastic today. |
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| 17:23.46 | occy | Can anyone help me with my init stuff? I'm thinking that's where my problem is. Here is a transcript of all I've tried to do: http://pastebin.com/372107 |
| 17:24.22 | simonrvn | @hi Pfated |
| 17:24.22 | ravenbird | Many greetings, Pfated, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 17:24.26 | jass | hi, i'm trying to install daapd, but apt says that the package doesnt exist, are the packages different in stable and unstable releases on debian? |
| 17:24.30 | sepski | OT: anyone know of a good windows channel on any irc network ? im looking for someone that can help me figure out how my friends w2k3 server got haxored |
| 17:24.46 | Pfated | Ooo. |
| 17:24.51 | asg | sepski: most channels on efnet know how to do that |
| 17:25.01 | Pfated | simonrvn: Hello to you too. |
| 17:25.05 | simonrvn | :) |
| 17:25.10 | A-abc | nkuttler:yes |
| 17:25.10 | A-abc | hmm, weird |
| 17:25.12 | sepski | or more spesificaly how they manage to hide 60 GB of data on a drive |
| 17:25.22 | nkuttler | A-abc: sounds like your init script is borked somehow |
| 17:25.41 | simonrvn | sepski: easy. it's windoze. now tell your friend to install some Free *nix ;P |
| 17:25.49 | Pfated | Tell it, simonrvn. |
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| 17:26.12 | sepski | simonrvn, are you kidding ? wer getting free 0 day warez delivered into our server !! :) |
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| 17:26.23 | simonrvn | if security is a concern, selinux debian or openbsd ;) |
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| 17:26.54 | simonrvn | ooo, sounds like fun </facetious> |
| 17:27.04 | Pfated | Hah., |
| 17:27.04 | sepski | i just want to know how they can have a 60 GB of data on the ntfs partition without it showing up in windows |
| 17:27.16 | sepski | (and i have checked hidden/system files) |
| 17:27.29 | sepski | some sort of invisible loopback filesystem |
| 17:27.31 | Pfated | The Matrix lies. |
| 17:27.42 | sepski | simonrvn, yes :) |
| 17:27.54 | RichiH | Pfated: how about you mount the disk in windows and look there? |
| 17:27.59 | vagabund | simonrvn: build a new system |
| 17:27.59 | simonrvn | sepski: :) |
| 17:27.59 | Pfated | ... |
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| 17:28.04 | Pfated | RichiH: Why? |
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| 17:28.10 | RichiH | erm |
| 17:28.20 | RichiH | sepski: how about you mount the disk in linux and look there? |
| 17:28.22 | Pfated | :) |
| 17:28.24 | RichiH | brain fart |
| 17:28.31 | Pfated | wow. Wrong nick, wrong OS? :) |
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| 17:28.38 | A-abc | nkuttler : yes, thanks for your help, i will have to do some debugging at this point.. |
| 17:28.41 | simonrvn | xchat's tab completion is murder... |
| 17:28.54 | FallOnMe | sepski: ... was the machine fully patched? |
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| 17:28.56 | Pfated | Hahah. |
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| 17:29.02 | RichiH | sepski: i would assume they just do not show the files to whatever windows uses over the FS layer |
| 17:29.10 | RichiH | simonrvn: pft |
| 17:29.21 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 17:29.38 | sepski | FallOnMe, think so |
| 17:29.51 | RichiH | sepski: first of all: switch the machine off |
| 17:29.56 | sepski | FallOnMe, except oracle admin tool i guess :) |
| 17:30.08 | sepski | RichiH, then the warez would stop coming in :) |
| 17:30.20 | RichiH | then, if you have a large enough disk, dd if=/dev/win2k3disk of=/mnt/back/drive bs=64k |
| 17:30.27 | jass | okay, now I'm trying to compile the daapd, but it says that id3tag.h is missing, I installed libid3tag0, but it still doesnt work, I got the id3tag.h file, but where do I put it where do the include files go by default? |
| 17:30.35 | RichiH | sepski: you don't deserve to fix this |
| 17:30.49 | Pfated | Pwned. |
| 17:30.51 | asg | jass: did you install libid3tag0-dev? |
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| 17:31.03 | jass | asg: nope, should I? |
| 17:31.06 | sepski | RichiH, ill see if i can get knoppix to boot on it. the controller is a raid0 some onboard thing |
| 17:31.09 | asg | jass: yes, that contains the header files |
| 17:31.13 | jass | asg: thanks |
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| 17:31.22 | faber2 | hi everybody |
| 17:31.42 | faber2 | is there something like an ssh fs? |
| 17:31.42 | simonrvn | heh, onboard raid.... kinda like onboard audio on x86en... crap ;) |
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| 17:31.50 | simonrvn | faber2: yes |
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| 17:32.08 | asg | faber2: shfs funnily enough |
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| 17:32.40 | Fleck | !u |
| 17:32.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:32.47 | sepski | RichiH, great for videoediting scratch disks |
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| 17:33.23 | RichiH | sepski: we were just talking server systems, were we not? |
| 17:33.28 | FallOnMe | f you need a lot of scratch space, RAID0 is nice. |
| 17:33.29 | RichiH | server == sth you can rely on |
| 17:33.35 | jass | asg: what does "Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete." mean? |
| 17:33.38 | RichiH | raid 0 == sth you can not rely on |
| 17:33.46 | RichiH | there is some discrepancy there |
| 17:33.49 | asg | jass: it means the source files have a time in the future |
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| 17:34.10 | FallOnMe | RichiH: I was using RAID0 as disk staging for backup until yesterday. |
| 17:34.17 | sepski | RichiH, umm i figured we were talking jsut about raid levels, |
| 17:34.23 | RichiH | FallOnMe: staging? |
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| 17:34.40 | asg | RichiH: hot backups before going to tape |
| 17:34.41 | FallOnMe | RichiH: doing disk -> disk -> tape backup. |
| 17:34.57 | sgeigerbot | greycat: how much do you use windows? |
| 17:35.01 | RichiH | sepski: ok, let me rephrase: for important stuff, /me could never see the use of raid0. for non-important stuff there may be limited use if you really, really need a single large disk |
| 17:35.03 | simonrvn | jass: means your time changed during the build. make relies on proper time to detect various things. if it changes (i mean other than normal) then it can fuck up the build. other things rely on a good time, like kerberos, and sometimes dns, like dnssec IIRC |
| 17:35.07 | asg | sgeigerbot: he's at lunch |
| 17:35.11 | RichiH | for the average video collection, it's just stupid, though |
| 17:35.13 | greycat | as little as possible, and I just got back |
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| 17:35.31 | RichiH | greycat: he depends on your guidance |
| 17:35.45 | stouset | Hm. Evolution doesn't seem to be moving my junk mail into the junk folder any more. |
| 17:35.47 | asg | RichiH: I though sgeigerbots were self-guiding? |
| 17:35.53 | stouset | It's marking it as junk, but not filtering it into the folder. |
| 17:35.53 | greycat | just two? |
| 17:35.55 | RichiH | asg: only if you pay extra |
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| 17:36.01 | stouset | Anyone dealt with this sort of thing before? |
| 17:36.16 | asg | RichiH: ah, the deluxe model |
| 17:36.22 | RichiH | greycat: i can't just kline everything that looks even slightly suspicious, now can i? |
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| 17:36.29 | asg | sgeigerbot: nothing worse than tracert either |
| 17:36.36 | sgeigerbot | asg: :-) |
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| 17:36.42 | sgeigerbot | asg: it's all crap... |
| 17:36.46 | FallOnMe | sgeigerbot: there's always /help, or /?, or whatever it's called. |
| 17:36.50 | sepski | RichiH, naturally. i use raid1 or raid 5+1 on critical thing, but nothing beats 8 drives in raid0 for nice speedy responses |
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| 17:36.58 | sgeigerbot | FallOnMe: Please, I would rather not know. :-) |
| 17:37.03 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 17:37.06 | simonrvn | whenever i see ?, i just want to escape it... |
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| 17:37.09 | FallOnMe | sgeigerbot: lucky you |
| 17:37.13 | RichiH | asg: with extra bells on the balls |
| 17:37.16 | sgeigerbot | FallOnMe: yeah. |
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| 17:37.21 | asg | RichiH: ooooh |
| 17:37.28 | Pfated | Ballbells? |
| 17:37.29 | greycat | bells on the balls? sounds kinky. |
| 17:37.34 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 17:37.35 | FallOnMe | simonrvn: I actually have to escape it, doing everything from cygwin/bash on that machine. |
| 17:37.38 | RichiH | greycat: they weigth a lot, too |
| 17:37.45 | simonrvn | FallOnMe: hehehe |
| 17:37.47 | sgeigerbot | FallOnMe: There's always Burger King. |
| 17:37.52 | greycat | RichiH: that sounds extra kinky. |
| 17:37.56 | nadapdx | hello all. any alternative mirror for security.debian.org. i have not been able to use it for days. |
| 17:38.09 | simonrvn | sounds painful |
| 17:38.12 | asg | nadapdx: /topic and not at the moment |
| 17:38.19 | RichiH | sepski: 8 disks on raid 8 gain you nothing unless you have a super-fast system. else, fewer would suffice, too |
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| 17:38.29 | faber2 | can i use shfs on kernel 2.4.31? |
| 17:38.29 | asg | greycat: RichiH's German though, they are into that |
| 17:38.39 | sgeigerbot | asg: true |
| 17:38.43 | NuMB3r0n3 | salve a tutti |
| 17:38.46 | NuMB3r0n3 | hi at all |
| 17:38.51 | simonrvn | faber2: yes, it'll build there. read the docs for it |
| 17:38.53 | greycat | asg: so brits == spanking and germans == CBT. ok. |
| 17:38.54 | sepski | raid 8 ? :) |
| 17:39.06 | RichiH | asg: you mean the famous scheisse essen videos from south park, perchance? ;) |
| 17:39.06 | faber2 | simonrvn: is it in the standard kernel ? |
| 17:39.07 | sepski | RichiH, and yes ofcouse |
| 17:39.08 | asg | greycat: yep |
| 17:39.13 | simonrvn | faber2: no |
| 17:39.15 | asg | RichiH: hehe |
| 17:39.16 | RichiH | erm, raid 0 |
| 17:39.31 | NuMB3r0n3 | there is someone italian ?...i have to asking some questions...tnx |
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| 17:39.32 | greycat | !it |
| 17:39.32 | dpkg | it has been said that italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:39.32 | asg | !it |
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| 17:39.32 | asg | meh |
| 17:39.42 | FallOnMe | non c'e ;-) |
| 17:39.43 | simonrvn | NuMB3r0n3: #debian-it |
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| 17:40.18 | NuMB3r0n3 | simonrvn : tnx |
| 17:40.18 | RichiH | dpkg: no, it is <reply> per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:40.19 | dpkg | okay, RichiH |
| 17:40.19 | NuMB3r0n3 | =) |
| 17:40.25 | greycat | oh, now THIS one wins an award. |
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| 17:40.29 | RichiH | !it |
| 17:40.29 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 17:40.30 | greycat | 1899 + Sep 23 Wooledge, Greg ( 0) FW: Wireless cabling to begin in S Buildi |
| 17:40.32 | RichiH | better |
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| 17:40.39 | asg | greycat: hahah |
| 17:41.03 | simonrvn | woohoo |
| 17:41.31 | simonrvn | damn that peer! |
| 17:41.33 | asg | or this (*** POTENTIAL SPAM *** Big strong captain drilling a cute houswife. checkerwise) |
| 17:41.40 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 17:41.53 | greycat | asg: mine's better. it's *real*. |
| 17:42.04 | asg | greycat: that was real |
| 17:42.13 | greycat | I meant, this "Wireless cabling" is non-spam. |
| 17:42.36 | asg | greycat: ah right. |
| 17:42.41 | FallOnMe | checkerwise? |
| 17:42.44 | simonrvn | priceless |
| 17:42.58 | asg | FallOnMe: I'm still trying to figure that one out too |
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| 17:43.10 | MegaByte | Hey guys |
| 17:43.13 | MegaByte | how are you? |
| 17:43.20 | FallOnMe | fine, how are you? |
| 17:43.26 | greycat | rude, ugly, sweaty and horny! |
| 17:43.41 | stouset | greycat: don't forget sexy |
| 17:43.41 | MegaByte | FallOnMe, I've got a sore throat... otherwise, fine |
| 17:43.51 | greycat | err, I mean, pleased to meet you! have a nice visit! |
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| 17:44.03 | sepski | FallOnMe, my frind had his windows compromised, so im gloating :) |
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| 17:44.06 | MegaByte | greycat, wow... I want to meet a big boy.. |
| 17:44.14 | Pfated | gleep. |
| 17:44.25 | MegaByte | greycat, where are you from grey tiger, I mean... cat? |
| 17:44.29 | asg | worp the eyebiter |
| 17:44.36 | Couloum | hi everybody |
| 17:44.36 | maja | any one know how to check that a wireless card is installed right with ndiswrapper ? |
| 17:44.48 | MegaByte | abrotman, sng? |
| 17:44.49 | greycat | "right" and "ndiswrapper" are mutually exclusive |
| 17:44.50 | asg | maja: dmesg |
| 17:44.59 | MegaByte | greycat, what country? :) |
| 17:45.05 | maja | greycat: haha |
| 17:45.10 | Couloum | did someone get a problem with the last upgrade of debian sid ? |
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| 17:45.20 | chealer | !tell Couloum about someone |
| 17:45.27 | greycat | MegaByte: .us. but I'm not actually sweaty, and I'd like to think I'm not *terribly* ugly |
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| 17:45.38 | maja | asg: was working corretnly this moring but iwconfig has lost it |
| 17:45.39 | yel | hello everyone! |
| 17:45.42 | chealer | ah the factoid doesn't fit anymore |
| 17:45.45 | maja | and ifup says no such deivce |
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| 17:45.56 | MegaByte | greycat, how about the "horny"? |
| 17:46.00 | Pfated | greycat: Picspicspics. |
| 17:46.01 | chealer | !tell Couloum about vagueness |
| 17:46.03 | greycat | MegaByte: might be. |
| 17:46.09 | yel | some one out here runnning tomcat on debian ? |
| 17:46.10 | Couloum | since my last upgrade of debian sid, I have a kernel panic, maybe due to libselinux. Does someone have the same problem ? |
| 17:46.21 | MegaByte | greycat, Sounds amazing... |
| 17:46.23 | asg | greycat: do you still have the 'Lick Bush in 04' pick up? |
| 17:46.30 | asg | yel: yes |
| 17:46.33 | greycat | Pfated: http://wooledge.org/~greg/greg-lbi2004.jpg |
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| 17:46.46 | yel | asg, which Version 4.1.31 ?? |
| 17:46.51 | MegaByte | greycat, http://rafb.net/paste/results/MW4iap33.html => do you know what's wrong here? |
| 17:46.55 | Pfated | greycat: You no ugly. |
| 17:47.00 | greycat | :) |
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| 17:47.04 | Pfated | :) |
| 17:47.10 | MegaByte | greycat, apt is complaining about "extra garbage" |
| 17:47.11 | MegaByte | :( |
| 17:47.13 | asg | yel: 5 |
| 17:47.14 | greycat | MegaByte: yeah, you're attempting to mix stable and unstable. |
| 17:47.17 | greycat | that's wrong. |
| 17:47.20 | spantiga | maja: ndiswrapper -l -- list all configured devices. |
| 17:47.21 | Pfated | greycat: You've ruined my mental image of you, but you're all right anyway. :) |
| 17:47.26 | yel | asg, 5.?? |
| 17:47.30 | greycat | and it sounds like you're attempting it *wrong* too, by putting that all in one file. |
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| 17:47.41 | nadapdx | exit |
| 17:47.41 | nadapdx | exit |
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| 17:47.43 | nadapdx | exit |
| 17:47.43 | greycat | Pfated: I'm surprised you hadn't seen that picture yet |
| 17:47.46 | Pfated | nadapdx: /quit |
| 17:47.49 | maja | spantiga: should that list the network interface as well ? |
| 17:47.52 | MegaByte | greycat, I haven't noticed that |
| 17:47.56 | Pfated | greycat: No, that was the first time. |
| 17:47.57 | MegaByte | APT::Default-Release "unstable"; |
| 17:48.06 | MegaByte | greycat, change just this? |
| 17:48.06 | greycat | MegaByte: that crud doesn't go into sources.list |
| 17:48.24 | spantiga | maja: this should list the drivers. |
| 17:48.26 | greycat | probably apt.conf or something. |
| 17:48.37 | MegaByte | greycat, that's apt.conf |
| 17:48.46 | maja | spantiga: drivers seem to be in right |
| 17:48.51 | greycat | well, don't mix stable and unstable. |
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| 17:49.02 | MegaByte | greycat, thanks. You're really a nice guy |
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| 17:49.30 | maja | where would i check next ? |
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| 17:49.34 | spantiga | maja: there's something wrong with the network interfaces then.. check /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 17:50.27 | MegaByte | greycat, where did you learn all that? |
| 17:50.44 | maja | spantiga: that is confgured right, but when i try bring it up it says no such device |
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| 17:50.57 | Blissex | MegaByte: you are perhaps the first guy in several years that finds <greycat> a really sweet chummy guy :-) |
| 17:50.58 | greycat | aliens implanted the knowledge into me (rectally of course) the last time they abducted me |
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| 17:51.24 | MegaByte | Blissex, Guy? No, I'm mega's cousin |
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| 17:51.41 | MegaByte | Blissex, He lent his computer so I can configure Debian |
| 17:51.46 | MegaByte | Blissex, He uses Slackware |
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| 17:52.02 | Blissex | MegaByte: you are ruining <greycat>'s carefully cultivated reputation for geeky scornfulness :-) |
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| 17:52.21 | MegaByte | Blissex, scornfulness? |
| 17:52.36 | Blissex | MegaByte: acerbic wit and anger :-) |
| 17:52.47 | greycat | I only get angry at stupid people |
| 17:52.58 | Pfated | Yeh. And? |
| 17:53.05 | MegaByte | Blissex, I find him so sweet |
| 17:53.08 | greycat | it's not *my* fault they're so numerous |
| 17:53.17 | MegaByte | greycat, do I look stupid to you? |
| 17:53.24 | greycat | MegaByte: not yet :) |
| 17:53.27 | Blissex | greycat: unfortunately we observe you on IRC, where as you say there are so many :-) |
| 17:53.43 | FallOnMe | for wit and sarcasm, nobody beats the author or www.somethingpositive.net |
| 17:53.44 | poe-t | Where do you get binaries for xcompmgr? |
| 17:53.50 | poe-t | for Debian Sid |
| 17:53.54 | greycat | !find xcompmgr sid |
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| 17:54.11 | Blissex | FallOnMe: that's indeed not too bad. I also like ScaryGoRound.com which is a bit more subtle. |
| 17:54.19 | MegaByte | greycat, wow... we could know ourselves better one day! |
| 17:54.29 | MegaByte | huh |
| 17:54.29 | fbi | poe-t: unofficial repositories for xcompmgr and transset can be found on this thing called Google. |
| 17:54.31 | MegaByte | I mean |
| 17:54.33 | MegaByte | each other |
| 17:54.56 | spantiga | maja: no errors aparently.. maybe try to reinstall them if the interfaces look correctly. I had used ndiswrapper for a little time.. but if -l list the drivers there's no error aparently. |
| 17:54.59 | poe-t | fbi, cool. thanks ;-) |
| 17:55.02 | sgeigerbot | greycat: kick him in the shins |
| 17:55.09 | greycat | I think he has none. |
| 17:55.25 | Blissex | fbi: and/or one can use the Ubuntu Hoary Xorg 6.8.2 packages that are just about compatible with Sarge. |
| 17:55.32 | spantiga | maja: reinstall the drivers, i mean. |
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| 17:55.58 | fbi | Blissex: very true, but either method is still totally unnecessary |
| 17:56.04 | maja | spantiga: have alredy reinstalled drivers |
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| 17:56.29 | abrotman | Blissex: will you guarantee that? :) |
| 17:56.37 | MegaByte | greycat, Are you a Debian expert like all those guys? |
| 17:56.47 | greycat | MegaByte: no, I'm nothing like all those guys |
| 17:56.51 | maja | spantiga: whole thing was working fine this morring |
| 17:56.59 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 17:56.59 | dpkg | i heard xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 17:57.05 | MegaByte | greycat, So how are you like, grey catty? |
| 17:57.12 | Blissex | abrotman: hahahahahaha! I said «safer», not ''safe''. |
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| 17:57.23 | spantiga | maja: have you an wlan interface? have you running any ethx interface? |
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| 17:57.25 | greycat | dpkg: kick dpkg |
| 17:57.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xcompmgr' returned no results. |
| 17:57.41 | sgeigerbot | s/call/called/ |
| 17:57.51 | maja | spantiga: yup to both |
| 17:57.52 | FallOnMe | Blissex: well there's lots of things safer than upgrading to sid. |
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| 17:57.55 | Blissex | abrotman: but yes, I have installed both Xorg 6.8.2 and KDE 3.4.2 from Hoary and it just works. |
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| 17:58.09 | Blissex | abrotman: for now, for me :-) |
| 17:58.15 | rev0 | hi! |
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| 17:58.25 | MegaByte | greycat, can you purr me? :) |
| 17:58.30 | greycat | Blissex: just realize we won't support it when it does break |
| 17:58.51 | rev0 | Q: I have working IrDa on my ibm TP600e but only one way - receiving :( |
| 17:58.56 | Blissex | greycat: hey man, I just know what I am doing -- I said I reckoned it was safer than Sid. |
| 17:59.07 | MegaByte | greycat, I'm sorry, I must be bothering you |
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| 17:59.11 | sgeigerbot | rev0: Do people really use those things? |
| 17:59.31 | rev0 | sgeigerbot: yup ;) |
| 17:59.39 | sgeigerbot | rev0: for what? |
| 17:59.57 | rev0 | sgeigerbot: sending files to my mobile |
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| 18:00.16 | rev0 | sgeigerbot: but I can't send any more :((( |
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| 18:01.05 | rev0 | kernel version is 2.6.11 |
| 18:01.40 | FallOnMe | what's wrong with separate phone and PDA anyway? |
| 18:01.58 | sgeigerbot | FallOnMe: Too many things to fall onto. |
| 18:01.58 | Pfated | Not enough pockets. |
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| 18:03.07 | rev0 | when I try to send something it's : "Connecting...failed" |
| 18:03.12 | rev0 | demsg says nothing |
| 18:03.19 | rev0 | any clue??? |
| 18:03.23 | sgeigerbot | rev0: sounds like you might want to talk to kernel developers. |
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| 18:03.33 | greycat | find the mailing list for that driver |
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| 18:04.43 | rev0 | well...funny fact...that WAS working fine until I tried to turn on sound on that damn IBM... |
| 18:04.53 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: are you here today? |
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| 18:05.26 | rev0 | and another funny fact: I can't setpnp -- /proc/bus/pnp not avaible.... |
| 18:05.38 | sgeigerbot | rev0: I assume that means you recompiled the kernel. If so, do you have a backup copy of the kernel? (I assume you are using the irda drivers distributed with Linux) |
| 18:06.09 | sgeigerbot | rev0: When I install a kernel, I do it iwth a script (consistency!), making a backup of the .config every time. |
| 18:06.21 | rev0 | sgeigerbot nope...I've just initialize BIOS |
| 18:06.22 | greycat | consider using make-kpkg |
| 18:06.44 | sgeigerbot | greycat: I've been considering that. |
| 18:06.53 | rev0 | sgeigerbot I was not recompiling kernel |
| 18:07.40 | rev0 | oh well...I guess I have to compile irda-utils by myself |
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| 18:08.30 | vagabund | rev0: then compile and be free -;) |
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| 18:09.23 | rev0 | I'll try to change something in bios for now ... |
| 18:09.24 | rev0 | :) |
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| 18:12.15 | emRick | how can I make images that can be viewed on my camera? is there a Debian package for this? |
| 18:13.05 | Anthro | emRick: Most cameras deal with JPEG images. All you need is to convert whatever kind of images you have to JPEG and load them on the camera. |
| 18:13.05 | greycat | what kind of images do you need to make? |
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| 18:14.44 | abrotman | !moo |
| 18:14.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 18:14.44 | greycat | siesta time? |
| 18:14.47 | abrotman | Anthro: better? |
| 18:14.51 | greycat | !cookie |
| 18:14.53 | abrotman | Anthro: it's POETS day |
| 18:15.01 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:15.04 | abrotman | !poets |
| 18:15.07 | Anthro | abrotman: Much better, thanks. |
| 18:15.10 | abrotman | dpkg: why don't you know about poets ? |
| 18:15.12 | sgeigerbot | greycat: I'm not finding it on PDO. Which package is make-kpkg in? |
| 18:15.20 | greycat | !kp |
| 18:15.20 | dpkg | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 18:15.21 | abrotman | !find bin/make-kpkg |
| 18:15.24 | sgeigerbot | kernel-package or build-essential ? |
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| 18:15.40 | abrotman | !tell sgeigerbot about search |
| 18:15.42 | FallOnMe | kernel-package |
| 18:15.56 | Whooper | Question.. is there any decent, easy to install debian-based distro that can boot from a usb flash-drive? |
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| 18:16.12 | sgeigerbot | !lart abrotman |
| 18:16.25 | vagabund | hehe "rita" is a fake - |
| 18:16.28 | beardy | Whooper: Debian. |
| 18:16.30 | FallOnMe | dpkg, confuse me |
| 18:16.30 | dpkg | Yes, who is our hamster today, fallonme? wellies of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 18:16.31 | Gathond | Whooper: I believe damnsmalllinux fits that |
| 18:16.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/make-kpkg' (1): (/usr/bin/make-kpkg) in misc/kernel-package. |
| 18:16.55 | vagabund | I hope - |
| 18:16.59 | FallOnMe | dpkg, that took you long enough |
| 18:18.02 | Whooper | beardy: ok.. any special installer i need? |
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| 18:18.55 | sgeigerbot | vagabund: Yeah, it's one of those oft-mentioned "harmless hurricanes." |
| 18:19.32 | emRick | Anthro: I tried copying an image to my memory card and it is ignored. then I tried renaming the file to use the naming convention of picture that the camera makes ... the camera says "Incompatible JPEG format" ... isn't there all kinds of EXIF data in these images? |
| 18:20.10 | Anthro | emRick: You should figure out what kind of JPEG your camera is expecting. It seems that you have a very picky camera. |
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| 18:23.19 | EdibleText | emRick, 'file my.jpg camera.jpg' may help |
| 18:23.25 | vagabund | hehe Bush go home - |
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| 18:24.38 | abrotman | Gnea: been trolling(or some may call it nonsensical jibberish) for days |
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| 18:26.35 | sylvar | help |
| 18:26.45 | Gnea | !help |
| 18:26.50 | greycat | heh, auto-spam |
| 18:26.53 | Fackamato | ;p |
| 18:26.53 | sylvar | how to migrate knoppix to debian link or..... |
| 18:26.57 | Gnea | !tell sylvar about ask |
| 18:26.58 | sylvar | :) |
| 18:27.05 | greycat | !d-i sylvar |
| 18:27.05 | dpkg | sylvar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:27.40 | Gnea | vagabund: can you help me with mysql dropping packets? |
| 18:28.18 | vagabund | sorry i m invitet - |
| 18:28.33 | Gnea | you what? |
| 18:28.38 | Gnea | speak english or get out |
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| 18:29.01 | lyy | anyone here familiar with rdesktop? |
| 18:29.05 | asg | lyy: yes |
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| 18:29.16 | Gnea | lyy: it's a possibility |
| 18:29.17 | sgeigerbot | Gnea: hey...you are back. My script is working smoothly. Want it? |
| 18:29.18 | paulswm | Gnea: s/speak english or // :) |
| 18:29.19 | lyy | asg: can you give me some pointers? |
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| 18:29.32 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: cool, sure |
| 18:29.38 | asg | lyy: rdesktop <ip of windows server> ; man rdesktop for the luverly options |
| 18:29.42 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: gonna be awhile before i can try it again |
| 18:29.45 | lyy | asg: that's it? |
| 18:29.47 | Gnea | paulswm: hehehe |
| 18:29.49 | sgeigerbot | lyy: rdesktop -u jim -p jim's-password 192.168.1.100 |
| 18:30.02 | asg | lyy: yes |
| 18:30.14 | sgeigerbot | lyy: rdesktop <options> <Server-IP or Server-name> |
| 18:30.22 | bucky | lyy, use the user and passwd flags when you log in so it doesn't try to log in as root or lyy |
| 18:30.27 | lyy | sgeigerbot: what about windows not having windows terminal services? |
| 18:30.27 | Gnea | vagabund: i'm trying to pipe an odbc from a remote host database to a mysql database, but it keeps saying connection refused, what can i do? |
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| 18:30.46 | asg | lyy: it rather relies on windows having terminal services (or remote desktop on XP) |
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| 18:30.51 | sabins | dpkg what's fail2ban? |
| 18:31.06 | lyy | sgeigerbot: like, so i install rdesktop. so regardless of windows having terminal services or not, rdesktop shoujld be enough? |
| 18:31.17 | lyy | asg: ok. thanks. |
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| 18:31.52 | emRick | EdibleText: good tip. I get: |
| 18:31.54 | lyy | how do i test to see if windows has terminal services? |
| 18:31.56 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.56 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.57 | emRick | Say, do you know of any app that would take the format in img_5001.jpg and apply that format to img_5002.jpg? |
| 18:32.00 | lyy | oops nevermind. this is linux place |
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| 18:32.07 | emRick | Anthro: sadly yes. my camera is picky. |
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| 18:32.17 | simonrvn | asg: what MTA did you folks move to again? postfix? |
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| 18:32.25 | asg | simonrvn: we haven't yet |
| 18:32.26 | emRick | anyone out there with a Canon camera? been able to upload images to the camera? |
| 18:32.27 | Anthro | emRick: Maybe ImageMagick. Hang on. |
| 18:32.33 | simonrvn | asg: oh, ok |
| 18:32.33 | trollboy | where is the ssh logfile kept by default? |
| 18:32.39 | kreg | i just put a usb flash stick into my box, kernel says found the device, but not claimed by a driver. anyone know what module i am looking for? |
| 18:32.42 | simonrvn | /var/log |
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| 18:32.52 | Gnea | vagabund: answer me now please. |
| 18:32.56 | greycat | trollboy: auth.log specifically. |
| 18:33.02 | asg | simonrvn: we were considering qmail (for mailing lists) but will probably stick with exim on the gateway (due to the crazy assed rewriting we do.) |
| 18:33.09 | trollboy | curses |
| 18:33.09 | greycat | trollboy: or more precisely, "man 3 syslog; man 5 syslog.conf" |
| 18:33.13 | trollboy | I'm not seeing ANYTHING there |
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| 18:33.32 | c_olin | why is there no libdvdcss for apt? |
| 18:33.32 | Gnea | trollboy: sshd_config can specify |
| 18:33.36 | simonrvn | asg: yeh, exim is *nice* for that. i also like the ldap support, and other neat stuff |
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| 18:34.01 | Zugschlus | asg: qmail is probably inappropriate for everything these days |
| 18:34.09 | EdLin | c_olin: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| 18:34.09 | Gnea | c_olin: it's non-free |
| 18:34.10 | asg | simonrvn: yes, we make close to 4 ldap calls for each piece of inbound mail. Thankfully, does good caching. |
| 18:34.16 | greycat | qmail is good once you replace qmail-smtpd with magic-smtpd |
| 18:34.18 | trollboy | is there anyway to see what's being entered? |
| 18:34.26 | asg | Zugschlus: I disagree, it's excellent for many things. |
| 18:34.29 | greycat | trollboy: you have the source. |
| 18:34.33 | EdLin | c_olin: or use marillat |
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| 18:34.45 | Gnea | trollboy: the source can tell you |
| 18:34.51 | Zugschlus | asg: I have yet to see a topic where qmail does better than any other MTA |
| 18:34.51 | trollboy | greycat? |
| 18:34.57 | trollboy | the sshd sourcecode? |
| 18:34.58 | greycat | trollboy: of sshd. |
| 18:35.02 | asg | Zugschlus: ezmlm-idx |
| 18:35.07 | kreg | debian |
| 18:35.08 | trollboy | yeah, that's not gunna work |
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| 18:35.10 | trollboy | heh |
| 18:35.13 | simonrvn | asg: yeh, it does have good caching. i make around that many here (though much smaller system) |
| 18:35.20 | trollboy | I've got a tunneling app running on windows.. |
| 18:35.25 | Anthro | emRick: EXIF lets you add a bunch of metadata about an image. I expect your camera is looking for something in particular. I'd google for EXIF. |
| 18:35.27 | trollboy | I can ssh in with putty no problems |
| 18:35.33 | Anthro | emRick: maybe EXIF and linux |
| 18:35.34 | simonrvn | asg: i only have about 5000-6000 dns |
| 18:35.34 | greycat | trollboy: you can also increase the verbosity of sshd |
| 18:35.35 | Zugschlus | asg: other mailing list managers exist, and qmail's inefficient handling of outgoign mail negates the ease of ezmlm |
| 18:35.35 | trollboy | this thing keeps getting passwd failures |
| 18:35.42 | asg | simonrvn: yeah, plus sarge getting 4.50 was a bonus |
| 18:35.43 | simonrvn | asg: "DNs" |
| 18:35.48 | simonrvn | asg: indeed |
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| 18:35.50 | secureboot | is it possible to install debian onto a single root LVM parition, or does /boot need to be a separate physical partition? |
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| 18:35.53 | Gnea | trollboy: so in other words you don't know how to read the source |
| 18:36.04 | trollboy | that would be correct Gnea |
| 18:36.08 | asg | Zugschlus: that can be tweaked. I haven't found another mlm that I like. I loath mailman which we use now. |
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| 18:36.16 | debianed | !paste |
| 18:36.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 18:36.26 | Gnea | trollboy: then you are in the wrong place. |
| 18:36.27 | eeyore- | emRick: one thing to do is to get an image out of your camera first and see what EXIF tags it uses |
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| 18:36.42 | trollboy | Gnea, where would I go for Debian user support then? |
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| 18:36.48 | eeyore- | emRick: you can get one of several EXIF packages for linux, let me look for some |
| 18:36.50 | emRick | Anthro: I've already been into the EXIF ... lots of fields and not sure how to handle ... hmm, maybe I could use imagemagick to paste the one image into another image but keep the EXIF data |
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| 18:36.58 | Gnea | trollboy: are you familiar with vim? |
| 18:37.00 | TvM | hi |
| 18:37.03 | trollboy | yes I am |
| 18:37.06 | etatoby | Hello. I have a problem with X11 fonts in a UTF-8 environment. Most programs, including xfontsel, give "Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion" "Unable to load any usable fontset" and don't function properly. Where can I look into? Font paths seem ok. Modern libfreetype programs work ok. |
| 18:37.08 | Gnea | ok |
| 18:37.15 | Gnea | then just apt-get source ssh |
| 18:37.19 | Gnea | and read the source |
| 18:37.23 | trollboy | right |
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| 18:37.27 | trollboy | and I know C as well |
| 18:37.27 | Anthro | emRick: It's possible. It's also possible that the gimp could do it. |
| 18:37.42 | trollboy | however, how it all comes together, and the various linux libraries out there, I am unfamiliar with |
| 18:37.42 | eeyore- | emRick: there's the exiftags package, libexif library |
| 18:37.56 | TvM | i have 2.4.27-2-386 and i do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-3-686 |
| 18:38.05 | TvM | he installs but nothing append then |
| 18:38.14 | Gnea | trollboy: that's what the source is for. |
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| 18:38.34 | asg | Zugschlus: it's a moot point anyway right now, we will be staying with exim for the near future. |
| 18:38.43 | Zugschlus | good ;) |
| 18:38.44 | eeyore- | trollboy: what exactly are you looking for? (or looking to do?) |
| 18:38.57 | trollboy | eeyore-, I'm trying to set up a sftp tunnel on my windows box |
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| 18:39.05 | eeyore- | trollboy: "to see exactly what's being entered" would defeat the entire purpose of ssh tunnel, don't you think? |
| 18:39.10 | Anthro | TvM: The new kernel will be used when you reboot. The kernel is one of the very few things that requires a reboot to use. |
| 18:39.11 | trollboy | I can ssh in all day with putty |
| 18:39.14 | cyzie | hello guys, i have latest gcc. now i have 1 application that need gcc2.96. is it posssible to have 2 gcc on local computer? or is it possible to point this program to use gcc2.96 only? please advice and thanks |
| 18:39.26 | trollboy | however, I've this other app that just does tunneling I'm trying to set up |
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| 18:39.34 | Anthro | cyzie: You can have both installed. |
| 18:39.36 | asg | cyzie: yes, just install the other one you need |
| 18:39.39 | TvM | Anthro i reboot |
| 18:39.40 | trollboy | when I connect to my server with that, I get password failed |
| 18:39.43 | TvM | and i still have 2.4.x |
| 18:39.49 | emRick | eeyore-: I've already looked at a few EXIF packages. Debian seems to have about 50 of them and I've tried a few. ... hmm, I do see that these 3 packages do "EXIF manipulation": libjpeg-progs jhead exiv2 |
| 18:39.52 | R | hi |
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| 18:39.55 | cyzie | asg, Anthro will it screw up the latest gcc or other program ? |
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| 18:40.05 | Anthro | TvM: Check your bootloader configuration. Are you using grub or lilo? |
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| 18:40.10 | Anthro | cyzie: No. |
| 18:40.13 | debianed | Hi everyone ! Can someone explain me this please ? i don't get it, i got the write rights on a file and i can't delete it... http://channels.debian.net/paste/760 |
| 18:40.14 | TvM | grub |
| 18:40.29 | trollboy | see what I'm saying eeyore-? |
| 18:40.31 | eeyore- | emRick: that's probably your best bet then. i use EXIF data to rename my pictures, but i don't write any EXIF tags to existing images. maybe command-line programs would be best for you |
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| 18:40.46 | cyzie | Anthro, you sure? i really really dont wanna screw up the existing system. perhaps u can point me to an article to read more about this ? |
| 18:40.52 | eeyore- | trollboy: could be wrong protocol |
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| 18:40.55 | eeyore- | trollboy: 1 vs 2 |
| 18:41.07 | Anthro | cyzie: Really. It will install as /usr/bin/gcc2.96 and will be completely separate. |
| 18:41.13 | trollboy | I've both set for ssh2 though |
| 18:41.14 | Anthro | TvM: Can't help you, then, I don't know grub. |
| 18:41.29 | eeyore- | trollboy: well then, what can i say, wrong passwords :-) |
| 18:41.41 | tpr | what if i would to change from inetd to xinetd, a big job? ;/ |
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| 18:42.07 | greycat | why bother with xinetd? |
| 18:42.12 | eeyore- | tpr: possibly. the config files are not compatible, obviously. inetd.conf = flat, one file. xinet.d/* has lots of little files |
| 18:42.13 | Anthro | tpr: If you don't have a good reason to do so, why bother? |
| 18:42.16 | greycat | how many things do you actually launch from inetd in the first place? |
| 18:42.26 | etatoby | debianed: to delete a file you need write permission to the directory containing it; ownership/permissions on the file itself don't count |
| 18:42.27 | cyzie | Anthro, alright. but how can the program find this dir? i mean if u do a "which gcc" it will point to the latest gcc, right? |
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| 18:42.31 | tpr | one critical service, that could use some extra parameters that I dont think inetd can handle :( |
| 18:42.33 | eeyore- | tpr: xinetd buys you little on an internal machine |
| 18:42.37 | greycat | cyzie: no, it points to the first one in your $PATH |
| 18:42.38 | TvM | Anthro i must put vmlinuz and initd in grub??thats all? |
| 18:42.44 | debianed | etatoby, oh, ok |
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| 18:42.50 | tpr | hmm |
| 18:42.52 | eeyore- | tpr: what do you mean "some extra parameters" |
| 18:42.55 | Anthro | cyzie: Yes. You will need to use gcc2.96 instead of gcc to compile that program. That's all. |
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| 18:43.07 | cyzie | greycat, thanks for help. but can i set the env for this user to point to the gcc2.96 ? |
| 18:43.13 | greycat | there is no gcc 2.96. |
| 18:43.18 | debianed | etatoby, thanks, and if i got the rights on the dir... why it won't works ? |
| 18:43.20 | Anthro | TvM: That should be it, yes. I'm surprised it didn't happen when you installed it. Are you sure it installed successfully? |
| 18:43.28 | etatoby | debianed: it should work |
| 18:43.29 | greycat | never has been. just the red hat imitator. you're not seriously asking #debian for red hat 6.x help??? |
| 18:43.31 | tpr | such as hammer protectin, apparently inetd has some builtin settings that i want to change - for one :p |
| 18:43.39 | cyzie | mm.. |
| 18:43.52 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: TOOL TO CONVERT INETD.CONF TO XINETD.CONF: xconv.pl < /etc/inetd.conf > /etc/xinetd.conf |
| 18:43.53 | EdLin | greycat: Red Hat called their CVS version of gcc in 7.x "2.96" |
| 18:44.04 | Anthro | cyzie: You have a specific user for this? Just set his/her path to include a directory with a symlink named gcc to the appropriate version of gcc. |
| 18:44.04 | greycat | !blame Anthro |
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| 18:44.09 | greycat | Anthro's the one who said 2.96. |
| 18:44.09 | debianed | hummm |
| 18:44.20 | Anthro | greycat: I could have sworn he said it first. |
| 18:44.37 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: GOOD .. WE LIKE YOU NOW! |
| 18:44.40 | EdLin | greycat: oops, you said that. :-) |
| 18:44.41 | cyzie | Anthro, yes, only this user, let's call it A user. need to use gcc 2.96 |
| 18:44.41 | greycat | oh. maybe I didn't look back far enough. |
| 18:44.43 | etatoby | debianed: there's a special case though. think about world-writeable directories like /tmp or /public If anybody can create files there, anybody can delete other people's stuff. this would be a problem |
| 18:44.44 | EdibleText | !blame Redhat |
| 18:44.53 | Anthro | cyzie: Great. So do what I said. |
| 18:44.55 | greycat | !wikifaq cyzie DotFiles |
| 18:44.56 | dpkg | cyzie: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:44.56 | cyzie | Anthro, perhaps you can give some tips how to point it ? :) appreciate |
| 18:44.58 | etatoby | debianed: the 'sticky' bit solves this problem. see man chmod |
| 18:45.03 | debianed | ok... Noa what about if i want a user to create files but to create them owned by a certain group instead of his default group, in which config file is this ? |
| 18:45.05 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I use caps in my notes so I can see the letters. Do you like making fun of blind people? |
| 18:45.15 | Anthro | cyzie: Do you know how to set a user's path? |
| 18:45.20 | debianed | etatoby, ok, i will look at this, thanks :) |
| 18:45.24 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you're not |
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| 18:45.32 | cyzie | Anthro, is it blablah = /home/blabla |
| 18:45.33 | cyzie | ? |
| 18:45.40 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: :-) |
| 18:45.51 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: You are such a booger lately. |
| 18:45.52 | etatoby | debianed: in that case you should set the SetGroupID permission on the directory |
| 18:46.06 | asg | debianed: don't forget to chose a sane umask |
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| 18:46.20 | bnoji | Ok. Doing a test-run mondo backup |
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| 18:46.54 | fken | whats the name of the application which create /dev/xxx where xxx is hdc hda sda scd0 and so one ? and how does it works ? |
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| 18:46.55 | mernil | greetings and salutations fellow friends of free and open software |
| 18:46.57 | Anthro | cyzie: *sigh* No. It seems you don't know *nix at all. The PATH environment variable is a colon-separated list of directories in which the shell looks for executable files. |
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| 18:47.01 | asg | so, who else got invites to #Uptime from }MatriX{ ? |
| 18:47.09 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you picked me out of your nose! .. eww! |
| 18:47.12 | Anthro | asg: Are you +E? |
| 18:47.17 | asg | Anthro: yes |
| 18:47.23 | moya | what application do you suggest to check who is saturating my link, the gateway is a debian box, of course |
| 18:47.31 | debianed | ok guys, i'll look at all this, thanks :) |
| 18:47.43 | fken | mernil : greetings greetings |
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| 18:48.07 | asg | Anthro: Topic for #uptime: Stay and idle if u part .. u are a BIATCH :D....ConTesTants At UR MeRcy ... contest soon! |
| 18:48.26 | Anthro | cyzie: If that doesn't make it completely clear, go read up on your shell of choice (probably bash). |
| 18:48.41 | Anthro | asg: Well, sounds like a partying place. I'd join. Oh, yes. |
| 18:48.53 | tpr | xconv.pl seems interesting, think ill give it a try :) |
| 18:49.01 | etatoby | I have a problem with X11 fonts in UTF-8 environment. Most programs, including xfontsel and vim-lesstif, fail with "Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion" "Unable to load any usable fontset." Font paths seem ok. libfreetype programs work ok |
| 18:49.03 | mernil | fken: i do like greetings back .. ur on my "favorite list" now! :) |
| 18:49.06 | bnoji | Is there a way to verify a Mondo backup without booting a system with the boot disk? |
| 18:49.08 | asg | Anthro: 10 people makes a very sad party ;) |
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| 18:49.33 | Anthro | asg: In real life, that depends on how large the space is. On the net, any party is a sad party. |
| 18:49.42 | asg | Anthro: heh |
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| 18:49.59 | c_olin | is there a program to "record" what xine is playing? |
| 18:50.02 | c_olin | to avi |
| 18:50.02 | fken | mernil: its a real pleasure |
| 18:50.10 | mernil | fken: :) |
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| 18:50.24 | etatoby | c_olin: I don't think so, you could try and use mencoder for that |
| 18:50.24 | greycat | !vsound |
| 18:50.24 | dpkg | vsound is, like, a program that lets you intercept audio data on its way to /dev/dsp and save it to a file |
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| 18:50.31 | Anthro | c_olin: If you want to transcode some video from one format to another, you probably want mplayer/mencoder. |
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| 18:50.49 | c_olin | Anthro: I just want to get parts of a DVD to .avi |
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| 18:50.53 | c_olin | or .mpg |
| 18:50.54 | cyzie | anthro, understand that point. but i wish not to apt-get 2.96 instead i wish to downlaod the source to my local computer. then point the gcc for user A to the source file path. |
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| 18:51.03 | fken | omg on another channel a guy is kidding with a newbee saying his confirmation mail will come in one year... neabies really believe everything |
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| 18:51.21 | Anthro | cyzie: That is possible, but foolish. Compiling gcc is a pain in the ass. |
| 18:51.32 | greycat | nah, just time consuming. |
| 18:51.37 | greycat | *nethack* is a pain in the ass. |
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| 18:52.08 | moya | what application (apt-get'able) do you suggest to check who is saturating my link, the gateway is a debian box, of course? |
| 18:52.09 | Anthro | cyzie: If you don't trust Debian's gcc package not to screw things up, go use Gentoo. The whole point of Debian is that packages don't break each other. |
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| 18:52.39 | fken | is there another kind of diablo like under gpl ? |
| 18:52.44 | cyzie | Anthro, dont get me wrong. i not mean to not trust anybody. but merely i just wanna in safe side. so i wont screw up my system. ;) |
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| 18:52.51 | FallOnMe | moya: iptraf? |
| 18:52.53 | fbi | moya: iptraf with logging enabled? |
| 18:53.01 | greycat | there IS NO gcc 2.96. |
| 18:53.04 | FallOnMe | ntop? ;-) |
| 18:53.04 | fbi | i don't know what you mean by 'saturating' |
| 18:53.04 | debianed | So etatoby if i set the setgid bit, every created file in the directory will have the same attributes as the directory itself for owner and rights right ? |
| 18:53.06 | fken | i just heard last night that Quake 3 is going to become gpl :)) |
| 18:53.07 | greycat | where is this bullshit coming from? |
| 18:53.13 | Anthro | cyzie: Different packaged versions of gcc do not conflict with each other in any way. |
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| 18:53.26 | Anthro | cyzie: And, apparently, there is no such thing as gcc 2.96. |
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| 18:53.30 | greycat | and none of those packaged versions is 2.96. |
| 18:53.36 | cyzie | greycat, eheh...gcc2.96 is never in production but only in developement stage. but in the end, 2.96 turn out to be 3.00 |
| 18:53.41 | bnoji | 14:52:58 up 1 day, 31 min, 4 users, load average: 8.45, 8.18, 7.57 |
| 18:53.43 | bnoji | Yikes. |
| 18:53.43 | greycat | cyzie: you have been LIED TO by red hat. |
| 18:53.45 | etatoby | c_olin: there are GUI programs that let you do that, using mencoder in the background. or you can use mencoder yourself |
| 18:53.51 | Ether_Man | c_olin: If that dvd you wanna encode only have a single movie title then mencoder is good.. However if it contains a movie title with more than one program chain.. you're out of luck with mencoder.. |
| 18:53.53 | greycat | there IS NO gcc 2.96. There NEVER WAS. Red hat MADE UP that number. |
| 18:53.58 | beardy | moya: netstat, iftop, iptraf, tcptrack |
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| 18:54.07 | cyzie | greycat, heehhe...okay calm down ;) |
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| 18:54.09 | greycat | !listkeys 2.96 |
| 18:54.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2.96' by key returned no results. |
| 18:54.15 | greycat | !listvals 2.96 |
| 18:54.17 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2.96' by value (1): would be like "you #DEL#. |
| 18:54.25 | greycat | grr. |
| 18:54.44 | cyzie | Anthro, greycat thanks for helps ;) i shall apt-get and try then ;) |
| 18:54.47 | etatoby | debianed: I'm not sure.. I never understood how setuid and setgid bits on directories work exactly :) |
| 18:54.58 | debianed | hehe |
| 18:54.59 | debianed | ok |
| 18:55.01 | Anthro | cyzie: Good luck. And just use 2.95. |
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| 18:55.10 | cyzie | Anthro, will do ;) |
| 18:55.10 | debianed | thanks anyways ;) |
| 18:55.11 | greycat | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/gcc-296.html |
| 18:55.31 | debianed | If i set the setgid bit, every created file in the directory will have the same attributes as the directory itself for owner and rights right ? |
| 18:55.34 | greycat | dpkg, gcchttp://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html |
| 18:55.37 | greycat | bah. |
| 18:55.38 | greycat | http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html |
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| 18:56.09 | greycat | debianed: not owner -- just group-owner. not rights, either. |
| 18:56.21 | greycat | debianed: the ONLY thing you can force in that manner is the group-owner. nothing more. |
| 18:56.46 | Anthro | etatoby: setgid on a directory means that files and directories created under it are created with the same group as the directory, regardless of the creating user's primary group, and, in the case of directories, their setgid bit is also set. |
| 18:56.50 | debianed | greycat, okay, thank you |
| 18:56.53 | debianed | :) |
| 18:57.09 | Anthro | etatoby: I have no idea what the setuid bit on a directory does. I suspect nothing. |
| 18:57.43 | greycat | nothing |
| 18:58.03 | etatoby | Anthro: can the owner change them with chmod after that? I guess I should do a few tests |
| 18:58.17 | vagabund | she needs more oil - |
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| 18:58.25 | debianed | greycat, any way to force the rights too ? |
| 18:58.27 | Anthro | etatoby: Yes. The bit only affects what happens when files/directories are created, not thereafter. |
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| 18:58.39 | wooden | hi |
| 18:58.45 | wooden | where to find the base image from sarge? |
| 18:58.45 | MegaByte | libglib2.0-dat 2.6.4-1 Common files for GLib library => how can I get this file removed? |
| 18:58.45 | Anthro | debianed: Not without ACLs, I believe. |
| 18:58.51 | looney | yup |
| 18:58.57 | debianed | hum |
| 18:59.13 | MegaByte | can someone help me? |
| 18:59.15 | greycat | MegaByte: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ... |
| 18:59.22 | greycat | the name is being truncated |
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| 18:59.27 | Anthro | MegaByte: That's cut off. It's almost certainly libglib2.0-data |
| 18:59.28 | asg | debianed: create a script to reset rights periodically using cron |
| 18:59.30 | MegaByte | greycat, thanks |
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| 18:59.36 | asg | !pubtime |
| 18:59.36 | dpkg | pubtime is probably time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:59.52 | abrotman | asg: go go go! |
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| 18:59.59 | Anthro | asg: Punk! I still have 20 minutes left, then an hour and a half train ride home. |
| 19:00.07 | debianed | asg, I'll try the solution, then when i'll fail, if i do, i'll go to the workaround ;) |
| 19:00.13 | Nebetsu | Hey. I have fluxbox on my debian computer. How do I have a |
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| 19:00.14 | debianed | asg, but thanks though |
| 19:00.23 | Nebetsu | stupid keyboard... |
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| 19:00.57 | Nebetsu | How do I have "kill client" when I right click the title bar like in DSL? |
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| 19:01.55 | nkuttler | Nebetsu: try #fluxbox |
| 19:02.01 | etatoby | Nebetsu: or use xkill |
| 19:02.13 | nkuttler | Nebetsu: you may want to read about the debian menu system as well |
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| 19:03.11 | etatoby | I have a problem with X11 fonts in UTF-8 environment. Any hint? Most programs, including xfontsel and vim-lesstif, fail with "Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion" "Unable to load any usable fontset." Font paths seem ok. libfreetype programs work ok |
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| 19:04.25 | darkness1 | Hi folks. What apt-get <package> name do i need to install identd? |
| 19:04.32 | ecobit | anyone remember the name of that new syncing tool which can do partial syncs of compressed files? |
| 19:04.38 | greycat | depends on which identd you want. |
| 19:04.46 | Supaplex | ecobit: rsync? |
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| 19:04.52 | ecobit | Supaplex: no |
| 19:04.52 | greycat | and *that* depends on what you want your identd to actually do. |
| 19:06.17 | etatoby | darkness1: pidentd is not bad IMHO |
| 19:07.04 | darkness1 | etatoby: Is there one called oidentd? |
| 19:07.22 | TvM | Anthro thx i just put the vmz and initrd in grub and works :P |
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| 19:08.02 | etatoby | darkness1: apt-cache show oidentd |
| 19:08.07 | bucky | darkness1, yes apt-cache search identd |
| 19:08.39 | yang | once i download package libapache2-mod-fcgid how do i load the modules into apache? |
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| 19:09.41 | Anthro | TvM: Excellent! |
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| 19:10.14 | nkuttler | yang: nothing in /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-fcgid ? probably put a symlink in mods-enabled |
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| 19:10.34 | bucky | yang, make soft links to it's load and cong file in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ from /etc/apache2/mods-available/ |
| 19:10.48 | yang | nkuttler: well i have found this module just for apache2...but i run apache 1.3 version, so it wont work? |
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| 19:10.57 | darkness1 | Thanks etatoby,bucky: All sorted. |
| 19:11.02 | nkuttler | yang: not with 1.3 |
| 19:11.08 | greycat | dpkg, gcc 2.96 is http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html or http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/gcc-296.html |
| 19:11.08 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 19:11.49 | yang | nkuttler: can apache2 use the same config as apache1.3? |
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| 19:12.17 | sgeigerbot | yang: no |
| 19:12.41 | sgeigerbot | yang: apache2 is much nicer. It's worth learning how to deal with apache2. |
| 19:13.15 | deep | hi all |
| 19:13.18 | greycat | what's nicer about it? |
| 19:14.05 | yang | well i need fastcgi module for apache 1 |
| 19:14.06 | bucky | yang, libapache-mod-scgi is similar for apache 1.3 |
| 19:14.18 | bucky | apt-cache show libapache-mod-scgi |
| 19:14.28 | yang | bucky: can it handle like fastcgi files |
| 19:14.39 | bucky | apt-cache show libapache-mod-scgi |
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| 19:14.51 | yang | bucky: i have that file installed also |
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| 19:16.06 | bucky | yang, apache 1.3 uses a script to configure it's modules... i forget what it's called.. you can read what it is in /etc/apache/modules.conf |
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| 19:16.32 | sgeigerbot | bucky: apxs? |
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| 19:16.48 | bucky | yang and check out the doc http://localhost/doc/libapache-mod-scgi |
| 19:16.52 | wooden | can anyone tell me where the basedebs.tar from sarge is? |
| 19:16.54 | kenboo | what would happen if i install emt64 kernel on 32bit cpu? |
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| 19:17.11 | bucky | sgeigerbot, no.... to load a module |
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| 19:17.24 | hendrik | hi |
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| 19:17.50 | abrotman | kenboo: it dies? |
| 19:17.59 | sgeigerbot | bucky: I always loaded them simply by changing the /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 19:18.03 | abrotman | wooden: check the ftp site |
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| 19:18.28 | kenboo | abrotman, ok i wouldn't try then. |
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| 19:18.48 | bucky | sgeigerbot, i don't have apache 1.3 so i can't look it up but debian is script happy and it has a script to put that in another file in case of an upgrade to apache |
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| 19:20.20 | hendrik | I have a problem with fonts and font-sizes. I have increased it in Gnome {Desktop-Settings | Fonts} but Gabber and Ayttm use an unreadable small font-size. |
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| 19:22.12 | sgeigerbot | bucky: just to be clear: you are saying there is a 1.3 to 2.0 httpd.conf conversion script? |
| 19:22.17 | Gomo1 | Hi |
| 19:22.19 | abrotman | hendrik: they are gtk1 apps ? |
| 19:23.15 | bucky | sgeigerbot, no.. if you cat /etc/apache/modules.conf , it will tell you not to edit the file by hand but to use a script to add a module to be loaded to apache 1.3 |
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| 19:24.35 | bnoji | What is involved in hot-swapping SATA drives? Just unmounting, removing power and pulling the drive? |
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| 19:25.21 | wireddd | bnoji yeah that should be it |
| 19:25.26 | beardy | bnoji: Probably. |
| 19:25.27 | wireddd | but i've never tried it |
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| 19:25.59 | bnoji | I see these "SATA Hot Swap" external enclosures, and some companies make non-hot swap ones... |
| 19:26.05 | hendrik | abrotman yes, how can I change the font for such applications? |
| 19:26.11 | abrotman | !gtk font size |
| 19:26.12 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
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| 19:26.19 | abrotman | hendrik: try that ... |
| 19:26.25 | bnoji | I was trying to find out what is different and if I would really need special drive bays (other than front-loading removables) |
| 19:26.29 | hendrik | Thanks |
| 19:26.43 | greycat | but with fewer Ls |
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| 19:26.46 | greycat | ECHAN |
| 19:27.02 | vagabund | I hope next year its a good hurrican season - for testing limits - |
| 19:28.03 | abrotman | vagabund: shut it |
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| 19:28.17 | bucky | sgeigerbot, i think it's called apache-modconf iirc |
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| 19:29.00 | bucky | sgeigerbot, ie. apache-modconf add mod-scgi |
| 19:29.19 | bucky | sgeigerbot, or apache-modconf remove mod-scgi etc. |
| 19:29.25 | vagabund | abrotman: I hope!!! |
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| 19:29.35 | yang | bucky: /usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache , doesnt add that mod-scgi.so into /etc/apache/modules.conf |
| 19:29.49 | bucky | yang, exactly |
| 19:29.53 | yang | bucky: do i need to enter it first in httpd.conf |
| 19:30.00 | bucky | no |
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| 19:30.09 | bucky | apache-modconf add mod-scgi |
| 19:30.26 | syscrash2k | Is there a page listing supported network adapters for the i386 testing network install cd? I was unable to find anything in the manual regarding this. |
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| 19:30.38 | hogmeat | speaking of apache2, how do you configure libphp4.so (apache2 debian) so you can see the messages (like /var/log/apache2/access.log error.log) ? im using libapache2-mod-php4.. |
| 19:30.44 | bnoji | Can you hot swap with PATA drives the same way? |
| 19:31.05 | yang | bucky: Error: /usr/sbin/apache-modconf has been called with invalid parameters |
| 19:31.23 | greycat | syscrash2k: debian has never had lists of supported HW like openbsd does, because debian doesn't make the linux kernels. |
| 19:31.23 | bucky | ideally you should leave httpd.conf alone because it gets replaced during an upgrade, that's why debian goes to lengths to put config files in safe places that aren't affected by upgrades |
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| 19:31.53 | bucky | yang, run it without parameters and see what the help is |
| 19:31.54 | hogmeat | yang: for sarge it's a2dismod |
| 19:32.16 | syscrash2k | greycat: I agree. Debian does compile the kernels though, and I'm not sure which version of the kernel the testing install cd is using. |
| 19:32.23 | bucky | hogmeat, that's for apache2. he's using apache 1.3 |
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| 19:33.19 | greycat | syscrash2k: ask #debian-boot |
| 19:33.29 | syscrash2k | will do, thanks greycat |
| 19:33.33 | bucky | and if you ever want to load a module you built with apx then the best way to load it is to put a config file for it in /etc/apache/conf.d |
| 19:34.00 | yang | hogmeat: i am not using apache2 |
| 19:34.13 | hogmeat | upgrade? |
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| 19:35.49 | groton | hell. anyone know why i cant read as a normal user a ntfs partiton? in my /etc/fstab i have /dev/hda1 /winxp ntfs user,ro 0 0 |
| 19:35.58 | gearry | I am playing with lvm for the first time |
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| 19:36.26 | hogmeat | groton: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /winxp |
| 19:36.33 | gearry | I set it up so that I have one large volume group, with 1 logical volume for each intented partition |
| 19:36.47 | gearry | is that how I should be doing things or am I making a blunder? |
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| 19:37.01 | gearry | this is for a basic workstation system |
| 19:37.12 | groton | hogmeat, still i have this access permissions: drwx------ 1 root root 8192 2005-09-18 10:54 winxp |
| 19:37.27 | greycat | groton: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs |
| 19:37.36 | gearry | hardware is not the greatest, so if this is going to cause a noticible performance hit I would like to know as well |
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| 19:37.53 | gearry | I would just go back to standard partitioning |
| 19:38.03 | Gomo1 | ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere |
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| 19:38.06 | Gomo1 | oops |
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| 19:38.32 | Gomo1 | BTW if that ison top of my Input chain, all the packets will be accepted right? |
| 19:38.55 | greycat | Gomo1: #iptables is a better place to ask |
| 19:39.07 | Gomo1 | greycat: sure, thanks |
| 19:39.19 | leeghoofd | I just had some connection problems, could you tell me if someone has tried to talk to me? |
| 19:39.41 | greycat | leeghoofd: only that supermodel. |
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| 19:40.00 | leeghoofd | :) |
| 19:40.00 | bucky | she left with a truck driver |
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| 19:42.04 | By-Tor | Killed a Spammer today. |
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| 19:42.28 | wireddd | good |
| 19:42.34 | By-Tor | Some belgium dude signed up for a dedicated server from us requesting FreeBSD. |
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| 19:42.38 | Mr-R | By-Tor: one down, 22398472 to go... :-/ |
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| 19:42.53 | By-Tor | It looked like a Viagara spammer, but here is the interesting thing |
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| 19:43.04 | By-Tor | I think they were using desktops to relay the mail out. |
| 19:43.17 | By-Tor | Their webserver had a "spambot proof of concept" dll in it. |
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| 19:43.35 | By-Tor | That and a copy of what to send were the only things in it. |
| 19:43.59 | wireddd | yup thats what they were doing |
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| 19:44.13 | wireddd | why did they get a dedicated server just for that? |
| 19:44.14 | By-Tor | Bunches of perl scripts were used to generate the random data to try to beat SA and whatnot. |
| 19:44.22 | By-Tor | Oh this isn't the first time. |
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| 19:44.29 | greycat | so you tracked them down to their headquarters and broke in and went Rambo...? |
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| 19:45.00 | By-Tor | Yeah, I wish. The URLS used in teh mail were all registerd in whois from some russian dude. |
| 19:45.31 | By-Tor | I had another spammer this morning too. Using PHP-Nuke to send SPAM. |
| 19:45.42 | By-Tor | They were'nt even a customer. |
| 19:45.44 | wireddd | doesn't the russian mafia have an irc chatroom :) |
| 19:45.52 | greycat | !comfort By-Tor |
| 19:45.52 | dpkg | There, there, By-Tor. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:45.56 | beardy | !room |
| 19:45.56 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 19:45.59 | By-Tor | Thanks dpkg |
| 19:46.10 | wireddd | yeah yeah |
| 19:46.11 | By-Tor | Bah, gives me something to do. |
| 19:46.15 | ircops | dpkg: good bot |
| 19:46.16 | dpkg | Thank You! |
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| 19:46.42 | By-Tor | At least the listing only happened at spamcop and psbl.surriel |
| 19:46.48 | By-Tor | Those are easy to get off of. |
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| 19:47.25 | By-Tor | Could have been listed at Spamhause or worse |
| 19:47.34 | davis | i have a webcam which I would like to hook up to my debian linux server so that I could stream video. What do I need? |
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| 19:48.38 | N0S3 | Hola amigosss!!! |
| 19:48.49 | ircops | ok |
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| 19:49.14 | beardy | !ar |
| 19:49.14 | dpkg | somebody said ar was argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils |
| 19:49.14 | greycat | !es |
| 19:49.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:49.27 | greycat | dpkg, ar is also argentina |
| 19:49.27 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:50.12 | N0S3 | gracias amigo dpkg |
| 19:50.13 | N0S3 | ! |
| 19:50.46 | etatoby | wasn't #debian's bot named apt long ago? |
| 19:51.16 | beardy | etatoby: Still alive. |
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| 19:51.27 | asuffield | strictly speaking, dpkg shouldn't be a blootbot, either |
| 19:51.30 | beardy | (if it's the same one..) |
| 19:51.32 | cio | Any postfix experts in here willing to look at a log and config and tell me what an idiot I am? |
| 19:51.49 | etatoby | cio: go ahead |
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| 19:52.15 | cio | The log: http://pastebin.ca/23722 |
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| 19:52.48 | cio | The config (main.cf): http://pastebin.ca/23723 |
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| 19:53.11 | cio | Outbound mail works fine, but for some reason it's not mapping to my virtual table and the NDRs are getting bounced from my upstream ISP smarthost. |
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| 19:54.17 | etatoby | you mean outbound mail which is not DSN gets accepted? |
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| 19:54.42 | cio | If I just send an email with main or php, it works fine. |
| 19:54.55 | cio | I'm a bit new to postfix so I'm sure it's a config issue. |
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| 19:55.01 | baikonur | hi |
| 19:55.06 | cio | Greets. |
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| 19:55.24 | resiak | apt: hug etatoby |
| 19:55.26 | apt | ACTION hugs etatoby |
| 19:55.29 | phorce1 | backup questiom: OK, I've been bouncing around on google for a week or two trying different things. If I cannot image a drive and I would like to be able to restore a sarge machine as quickly as possible after a failure, what do I need to put into a .tar.bz2 file for offsite (DVD maybe) storage? |
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| 19:55.59 | baikonur | I'm looking for a 802.11b/g pci or usb card that works fine with debian. Can anybody recommend a device? |
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| 19:56.13 | etatoby | cio: I suppose you have run postmap /etc/postfix/virtual |
| 19:56.23 | cio | I would say it depends on what's on the box. I have php+mysql boxes and I just grab the databases and /var/www and /etc. |
| 19:56.37 | cio | etatoby: I ran postmap hash:/etc/postfix/virtual |
| 19:56.42 | etatoby | ok |
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| 19:57.44 | etatoby | may I see it? /etc/postfix/virtual |
| 19:58.08 | cio | Then for the restore, make sure your packages are local ftp/http, and just update /etc/apt/.... sources-list or whatever to pull from there and have a script that will apt-get everything back up then restore the tar |
| 19:58.13 | bnoji | Found some nice external SATA hot swap enclosures for our backups. |
| 19:58.13 | cio | Sure |
| 19:58.27 | bwlang | I'm having some trouble with cups... i want to force all jobs to be greyscale instead of color for a particular printer. I've modified the ppd and it works fine from unix - but windows clients continue to print in color... |
| 19:58.47 | greycat | take the color ink out? |
| 19:58.49 | Juggaloon | I'm having a question about woody on my box...I'm trying to shutdown -h and it just hangs until i hit the actual button, I was told that possible apm or acpi are the issue. Where do i need to look to modify the behaviour so that the box will just shut off completely? |
| 19:58.58 | uwe | hello, i just upgraded from sarge stable to testing, but my xkb layouts got broken , i get "Error activating XKB configuration." after googling a little , it seems that a similar problem was in fc2 , i found some hints here -> http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6179&highlight=xkb , but non was useful! and if i do setxkbmap us or de ...etc, it works fine, but it just doesnt change from the kb indicator! any hints |
| 19:59.11 | uwe | oops! that was long! |
| 19:59.21 | phorce1 | cio: talking about my mail servers actually. So lots of custom configs for mysql, postfix, amavis. I'm thinking "/etc/, /usr/local/" as a start. But how do I create a dpkg style list of packages so when I get a base system installed I can just do a "dpkg -i < list of packages to install"? |
| 19:59.21 | scx | Hey guys: just a quiz: is there someway to run MacOSX apps over Linux ? |
| 19:59.25 | wireddd | you don't need to take the color ink out, just run it out of ink |
| 19:59.27 | beardy | Juggaloon: Why are you running woody on a box that you can reboot/halt? |
| 19:59.39 | uwe | scx, i dought! |
| 19:59.40 | cio | dpkg -l >my_package_list |
| 19:59.41 | dpkg | No packages found matching >my_package_list |
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| 19:59.50 | greycat | cio: you want dpkg --get-selections |
| 20:00.09 | greycat | cio: although having "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" saved might be nice as a reference too. |
| 20:00.18 | doleyb | scx: if you have vmware you can run macos on linux, and then apps on that... $$$ |
| 20:00.31 | Juggaloon | beardy; its my home devel box, and since I got WoL working properly, I just would rather not have to walk across the house to shut the damn thing off...ya know...lazy... |
| 20:00.31 | beardy | Juggaloon: Do you have apm or acpi in your kernel, or the modules loaded? |
| 20:00.40 | etatoby | scx: there's a kind of emulator to run a whole OSX session in a X11 window, under linux-ppc. apparently it works quite well, but I don't remember its name |
| 20:00.41 | greycat | phorce1: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections (then "dselect install" to fetch 'em) |
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| 20:00.57 | etatoby | scx: it's free as well |
| 20:01.00 | scx | ehh ye I can with vmware, but I have not a ppc |
| 20:01.08 | beardy | Juggaloon: WoL? |
| 20:01.09 | scx | :( |
| 20:01.16 | etatoby | scx: qemu? |
| 20:01.17 | wireddd | etaboy qemu? |
| 20:01.18 | doleyb | scx: well, macos also comes on x86 nowadays... |
| 20:01.27 | etatoby | wireddd: I don't think so |
| 20:01.37 | etatoby | doleyb: :D |
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| 20:01.44 | wireddd | it runs ppc doesn't it? |
| 20:01.48 | scx | macos x86 is not abvailable yet, right ? |
| 20:01.49 | cio | Weird.. I added a user with 'adduser' called 'webmaster' and did a mail webmaster logged in as root and the mail didn't make it to the new user... |
| 20:01.51 | Juggaloon | beardy; i just installed the apt images...i'm guessing i need to check for those modules possibly? i read something about the kernel images don't have it enabled on default... |
| 20:02.00 | Juggaloon | beardy; Wake on Lan |
| 20:02.03 | scx | quemu.... maybe, I think |
| 20:02.06 | greycat | cio: logs. |
| 20:02.15 | etatoby | wireddd: yeah but I think I remember of a more specialized emulator for OSX-in-a-linux-window |
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| 20:02.25 | beardy | Juggaloon: oh |
| 20:02.30 | greycat | !mol |
| 20:02.30 | dpkg | somebody said mol was Mac On Linux, a sort of VMWare for PowerPCs or at ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/home/f95-sry/Public/mac-on-linux/, or finally packaged for debian |
| 20:02.31 | wireddd | ok |
| 20:02.36 | beardy | Juggaloon: Still, consider upgrading to sarge. |
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| 20:03.14 | jewdn | if someone doesnt mind helping, i am trying to vnc into my debian box. so i did apt-get install tightvncserver. now what do I do to set it up so i can connect to it |
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| 20:03.24 | Cran | hi |
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| 20:03.42 | Cran | i have a really problem |
| 20:03.44 | Juggaloon | beardy; perhaps i will eventually...i dont let it out of the network here anyway, so having it might be a luxury i dont need to deal with atm... |
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| 20:03.47 | Cran | plz help |
| 20:03.49 | Cran | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.58 | uwe | jewdn, run tightvncserver |
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| 20:04.18 | etatoby | yeah mol, that's it http://www.maconlinux.org/sshots/pic11.jpg |
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| 20:05.06 | cio | Is there some magic to making unix mail work once you add a UNIX user? I thought it was automatic? (3.1/sarge) |
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| 20:05.15 | cio | etatoby: Any ideas? |
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| 20:05.38 | wireddd | cran noone is going to be able to help you if you don't ask any questions |
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| 20:05.51 | the1_ts | jewdn: Have you tried x11vnc, or vinoserver which runs with gnome? |
| 20:05.57 | Cran | w8 |
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| 20:06.01 | Diguinho | can anybody help me set up MIDI playback on a Intel HDA chipset? pmidi -l returns no port |
| 20:06.17 | greycat | cio: for exim (the default), it's automatic. |
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| 20:06.28 | greycat | cio: unless you configured it in some nonstandard way |
| 20:06.32 | Cran | i open konqueror and it has a error |
| 20:06.32 | beardy | Juggaloon: I'm not sure how you enable the automatic poweroff, I had it working on one box, but not on another, without doing anything. Google some more perhaps. |
| 20:06.47 | Cran | could not find mime |
| 20:06.51 | cio | greycat: The log: http://pastebin.ca/23722 |
| 20:06.59 | cio | greycat: The config (main.cf): http://pastebin.ca/23723 |
| 20:07.02 | cio | postfix |
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| 20:07.10 | greycat | whatever. try #postfix |
| 20:07.18 | cio | No luck there. |
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| 20:07.25 | Cran | application /octet-stream |
| 20:07.25 | etatoby | cio: maybe you should set virtual_mailbox_maps instead of virtual_alias_maps |
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| 20:07.37 | cio | Ok, I'll try that. |
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| 20:07.46 | greycat | cio: the word 'webmaster' doesn't appear in that log. |
| 20:07.47 | Cran | what is mean? |
| 20:07.56 | cio | Thanks for the help. |
| 20:08.01 | etatoby | np |
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| 20:08.18 | wireddd | it means something changed the mime definitions |
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| 20:08.31 | phorce1 | greycat: thanks -- (got interrupted by a customer call). Been fiddling with this a while and now trying to make sure I have a "better plan" before hurricane Rita knocks the building flat. |
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| 20:08.34 | jewdn | uwe: when i do that, i get this: |
| 20:08.39 | jewdn | xauth: error in locking authority file /home/dacohn/.Xauthority |
| 20:08.39 | jewdn | New 'X' desktop is localhost:5 |
| 20:08.39 | jewdn | Creating default startup script /root/.vnc/xstartup |
| 20:08.39 | jewdn | Starting applications specified in /root/.vnc/xstartup |
| 20:08.39 | Juggaloon | beardy; that was my first outlet, thought maybe had some good knowledge about it, i'll keep looking...thanks though |
| 20:08.39 | jewdn | Log file is /root/.vnc/localhost:5.log |
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| 20:09.39 | the1_ts | jewdn: have you tried the package x11vnc? |
| 20:09.53 | greycat | the1_ts: hasn't returned yet. |
| 20:10.05 | etatoby | cio: just change virtual_alias_maps into virtual_mailbox_maps and virtual_alias_domains into virtual_mailbox_domains in main.cf and then reload. |
| 20:10.17 | Cran | what can i do? |
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| 20:10.18 | wireddd | cran have you googled for an answer yet? |
| 20:10.18 | phorce1 | greycat: I never use dselect so that was throwing me -- always apt-get by hand |
| 20:10.33 | greycat | phorce1: I never use it either, except for that one thing. |
| 20:10.50 | Cran | no |
| 20:10.51 | greycat | that's part of my ritual for installing dual-boot sarge laptops |
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| 20:11.30 | Cran | i wiil reboot |
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| 20:11.46 | Cran | i will reboot |
| 20:12.09 | _grim | Hey. I have a small problem: during boot of 2.6.12 kernel, it says "Mounting local filesystems: failed!", but everything seems to be mounted correctly. I can't find anything about this in any log, and google gave me nothing I could use. Any ideas? |
| 20:12.26 | phorce1 | greycat: so with that all my libs and everything should get installed. I just need /etc and anything in /usr/local for a complete reinstall (except for my test billing server using freeside which has no debian package) |
| 20:12.32 | De_Mon | aside from samba, are there any other programs that can do network login security? |
| 20:12.49 | etatoby | De_Mon: Windows or Linux clients? |
| 20:12.51 | mixmatch | ftp? |
| 20:12.58 | greycat | phorce1: and /home and (in theory) /opt. |
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| 20:13.02 | phorce1 | greycat: and probably /root and /home too to be safe |
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| 20:13.06 | greycat | phorce1: you may want /var/log, /var/www, etc. |
| 20:13.14 | phorce1 | greycat: /opt is empty -- I looked |
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| 20:13.19 | De_Mon | etatoby windowsXP (sorry knew I forgot something:) |
| 20:13.35 | etatoby | De_Mon: only samba |
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| 20:14.31 | greycat | various parts of /var/lib may also be important |
| 20:14.38 | greycat | it depends on what applications you run |
| 20:14.49 | etatoby | De_Mon: ..until they manage to shut it down |
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| 20:15.53 | phorce1 | greycat: wouldn't /var/lib be corrected out by the reinstall via dselect? |
| 20:16.18 | greycat | depends. /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb sure won't. |
| 20:17.00 | baikonur | I'm looking for a wlan 802.11b/g pci or usb card that works fine with debian. Can anybody recommend a device? |
| 20:17.17 | phorce1 | no samba -- just have to fix any other issues as they arise. |
| 20:17.18 | sgeigerbot | De_Mon: What does "network login security" mean? |
| 20:18.13 | sgeigerbot | De_Mon: When you aren't asking specific questions, you aren't helping those people who probably know the answers you want. |
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| 20:18.32 | sgeigerbot | s |
| 20:18.34 | Juggaloon | beardy; just an fyi, apmd seems to fix that functionality...aparently i didn't have it installed...stupid me... |
| 20:18.36 | nvz | De_Mon: samba is a file and print sharing protocol has nothing at all to do with your imaginary "network login security" |
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| 20:19.09 | beardy | Juggaloon: Ok, thanks. So it's working now? |
| 20:19.18 | abrotman | nvz: samba can act as a PDC |
| 20:19.35 | Juggaloon | beardy; perfectly. |
| 20:19.36 | abrotman | or BDC for that matter |
| 20:19.40 | beardy | Juggaloon: Nice. |
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| 20:20.07 | Juggaloon | beardy; very nice. I dont have to haul my ass across the house to shut it off manually now....heh |
| 20:20.17 | beardy | Juggaloon: :) |
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| 20:20.34 | nvz | abrotman: how does that make it ok for him to make up meaningless terminology in a microsoft fashion |
| 20:20.42 | the1_ts | juggaloon: Now you will have to go to the gym ;-) |
| 20:20.52 | beardy | Juggaloon: To move once in a while is a good thing though. |
| 20:20.57 | abrotman | nvz: because samba can do "network login security" :) |
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| 20:22.45 | scx | Quiz: Is there a tarball to install Jack Sound Server ? |
| 20:23.14 | Dave-B | Hi, does xorg in unstable work with the nvidia driver now? |
| 20:23.16 | nvz | orange |
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| 20:23.26 | cheal | Dave-B: yes |
| 20:23.35 | Dave-B | cheal: cool, thanks |
| 20:24.01 | scx | I have a no-debian machine where I have to run Muse ( which uses Jackd ) |
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| 20:24.13 | Juggaloon | the1_ts; i do go to the gym, but after i'm done working...i have to save my energy for worthwhile expendatures...like bathroom and kitchen..heh |
| 20:24.27 | groton | how to switch to gcc3.3 from gcc4 using "alternatives"? issuing the cmd "update-alternatives --config cc" i only get one possible option :\ |
| 20:24.44 | scx | xorg Nvidia driver works fine |
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| 20:25.00 | carrett | hi guys. i'm having some trouble with firewire. i plug in the ipod, and nothing shows up in syslog or messages...ieee1394, ohci1394 and sbp2 are all loaded. i'm on 2.6.12....any clues? |
| 20:25.00 | scx | I use it wothout probs |
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| 20:25.33 | Juggaloon | beardy; moving is good, the problem is usually the journey...wondering what was left in my path before i can get to a light...ya know... |
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| 20:26.56 | JeffH_ | Are there any particular wireless lan cards to stay away from when using Linux? |
| 20:27.19 | scx | yes: |
| 20:27.22 | greycat | groton: apt-get install gcc-3.3 |
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| 20:27.31 | scx | DWL-122 D-Link |
| 20:27.32 | greycat | JeffH: broadcom. |
| 20:27.43 | scx | works escellent |
| 20:27.46 | greycat | broadcom is the microsoft of wireless. |
| 20:27.56 | scx | :s |
| 20:27.57 | JeffH | aah, okay.. |
| 20:28.08 | JeffH | Netgear and the other usual suspects are okay? |
| 20:28.30 | greycat | !wireless |
| 20:28.30 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
| 20:28.30 | groton | greycat, i have gcc3 already on my systrem, along with gcc4 |
| 20:28.39 | greycat | groton: dpkg -l gcc-3.3 | tail -1 |
| 20:28.45 | bucky | prism or atheros based is best |
| 20:28.47 | scx | D-Link DWL-122 is just great and cheap |
| 20:28.53 | bucky | preferably prism |
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| 20:29.03 | Juggaloon | d-link? they're still in business? |
| 20:29.16 | scx | I told: "cheap" |
| 20:29.18 | groton | greycat, yes, it is installed |
| 20:29.29 | JeffH | thanks for the link greycat. |
| 20:29.41 | cheal | greycat: broadcom is the microsoft of NIC-s |
| 20:29.54 | bucky | http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison |
| 20:29.58 | Juggaloon | cheal; i thought that was d-link |
| 20:30.12 | phorce1 | greycat: one particular system is currently only using a little over 3G for the whole system. would it work to create a .tar.bz2 of the entire system excluding only /proc and the directory where the backup itself is created? |
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| 20:30.24 | cheal | Juggaloon: I don't know how D-link does |
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| 20:30.52 | michal_ | who is from Poland? |
| 20:30.55 | JeffH | Will any wireless card connect to any base station? |
| 20:31.00 | Juggaloon | cheal; i haven't bought one for years...out of 5 different types of products i had to take all 5 back due to hardware problems... |
| 20:31.01 | thingfish | Polish people. |
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| 20:31.23 | baikonur | JeffH: only if the standard fits |
| 20:31.23 | michal_ | yes? |
| 20:31.24 | phorce1 | greycat: tar -cvvjf backup.tar.bz2 / --exclude="/proc/*" |
| 20:31.31 | cheal | Juggaloon: oh. I was talking in terms of open software |
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| 20:31.58 | Juggaloon | cheal; ah |
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| 20:33.19 | De_Mon | sgeigerbot a network login/password mechanism like a windows domain controler that would tell me when people logged into a computer and out again, and which I could use to "lock out" certain accounts. |
| 20:33.33 | tralala | De_Mon: ldap |
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| 20:34.16 | baikonur | JeffH: but wlan standards with higher data troughput are normally downwards compatible. That means a 802.11g card can connect to a base station that only supports 802.11b |
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| 20:35.18 | De_Mon | tralala can it work by itself? I had the impression samba was required as well for that to work |
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| 20:35.50 | tralala | De_Mon: ldap has nothing to do with samba, you might want to check its homepage |
| 20:35.56 | lamp__ | can i download packages automatic for a debian unstable pc that is not connected to the internet |
| 20:36.16 | tralala | !tell De_Mon -about ldap |
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| 20:37.13 | abrotman | De_Mon: ask #samba |
| 20:37.28 | sgeigerbot | De_Mon: Samba does that. Samba is probably the only open source show in town for SMB logins... |
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| 20:37.48 | JeffH | I hate trying to figure out if I specific piece of hardware is supported by linux.. it's always a PITA! |
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| 20:38.00 | abrotman | De_Mon: ask #samba .. it's really where you should be asking .. samba.org |
| 20:38.07 | sgeigerbot | De_Mon: When you are in #samba you will probably want to be even more specific about what it is you want. |
| 20:38.22 | De_Mon | I wanted to make sure samba was the only choice first |
| 20:38.25 | tralala | oh, yes it is |
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| 20:39.15 | De_Mon | ok, I'll brush up on the samba howtos and see how far it gets me. |
| 20:39.16 | tralala | ^-- JeffH |
| 20:39.39 | The | hi all i'm new to linux debian & loving it.. I am currentley trying to set up a dialin ISP server. but am having problems. I have everything setup currentley on one machine. I have internet server runnng and mail server set up according to The Perfect Server Sarge I have the server connecting to the client when they dial the server but all they get is a screen to actually login into the server they don't get the chocie of ppp etc. I wou |
| 20:39.39 | The | ld perfer the modem to automatically say here is a dial up client what is the name password automatically then they can access email and the web can someone please help or send me in the right direction.. you can reach my server at www.cobycomputers.ca |
| 20:39.40 | tralala | De_Mon: what is that want to do again? |
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| 20:40.28 | tralala | The: have a look at mgetty |
| 20:40.32 | De_Mon | sgeigerbot a network login/password mechanism like a windows domain controler that would tell me when people logged into a computer and out again, and which I could use to "lock out" certain accounts. |
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| 20:40.41 | De_Mon | oops forgot it had a name on it |
| 20:40.47 | JeffH | are any companies actually providing Linux drivers yet? |
| 20:40.53 | jjazz | Does |
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| 20:41.19 | tralala | JeffH: no, according to my own experience |
| 20:41.24 | The | what am I looking for in mgetty |
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| 20:41.52 | amphi | JeffH: the intel ones are well supported; also there's tha ralink 2500 which has a gpl driver |
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| 20:42.33 | wam | Hi! I'm using Sarge with KDE 3.3. When printing from Openoffice or Konqueror, everything is fine. But when printing from Firefox, everything is 400% as big as usual. Any ideas? ;) |
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| 20:43.20 | beardy | wam: Make it 400% smaller before printing. |
| 20:43.41 | wam | beardy: there's no option. Except firefox-size. But this would only scale the fonts. |
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| 20:44.28 | the1_ts | try running dpkg-reconfigure xprt-common |
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| 20:44.40 | sgeigerbot | wam: Look into xpp and pt |
| 20:44.44 | wam | the1_ts: thanks. I'll try. |
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| 20:45.02 | sgeigerbot | wam: pt is cupsys-pt |
| 20:45.48 | bbbbaaabbb | when i try "dd if=/proc/kcore of=/home/ram.img" .. i get the following error... "dd: opening '/proc/kcore' operation not permitted... |
| 20:46.10 | sgeigerbot | wam: yes, I'm sure xpp will help. |
| 20:46.29 | The | tralala : what am I looking for in mgetty |
| 20:47.02 | tralala | The: you want to setup mgetty to monitor the modem pick up the calls and start pppd |
| 20:47.10 | tralala | there are examples in mgetty-doc |
| 20:47.55 | paw | Is there any Linux specifications that specify where proprietary applications should be installed? |
| 20:48.41 | tralala | no, but usually the foreign applications for most of the distributions are installed in /usr/local |
| 20:48.47 | wam | sgeigerbot: cool - xpp seems to help. I set the resolution statically to 600dpi and it looks perfect. ;) I'll try office now... |
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| 20:49.15 | greycat | paw: /opt or /usr/local |
| 20:49.28 | The | another question for now how do I delete a directorie with all the sub-dir and files for instace MSDOS deltree |
| 20:49.41 | greycat | The: rm -rf |
| 20:49.56 | The | thanks all |
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| 20:51.56 | The | How and where do I find mgetty-doc sorry.. I've been working on this for over a month.. and noone in my area uses linux |
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| 20:52.52 | abrotman | read it ? |
| 20:52.56 | Mr-R | The: /usr/share/doc/mgetty* |
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| 20:53.14 | The | thank-you Mr-R |
| 20:55.46 | eeyore- | ok now this is one bizarre computer case -> http://www.lian-li.com/Product/Chassis/M_M_PC-777.htm |
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| 20:57.28 | SuperNinjaKitty | Is there an issue know when upgrading from sarge to etch about udev? |
| 20:58.16 | debianuser | hello, how can i filter mail in different directories with procmail/vhots/mysql setup in debian stable ? i understand that maildrop dosen't have support for mysql. |
| 21:00.06 | haz | hi |
| 21:00.11 | cheal | SuperNinjaKitty: yes. etch's udev needs a 2.6.12 kernel running to be installed |
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| 21:00.46 | SuperNinjaKitty | cheal is 2.6.12 available on a repository that you know of? |
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| 21:00.50 | haz | Does MySQLD create the mysql socket file when it starts or should the socket file exist the whole time? |
| 21:00.58 | cheal | SuperNinjaKitty: yes, debian |
| 21:01.09 | thingfish | that case looks like a big tape measure. |
| 21:01.28 | YGingras_ | hi, I added a splash image to grub but the text color doesn't obey my color directive in menu.lst anymore. Anyone know what I might have done wrong? |
| 21:01.34 | SuperNinjaKitty | cheal now a dumber question... how do i add that repository? |
| 21:01.52 | cheal | SuperNinjaKitty: # apt-setup ? |
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| 21:02.49 | SuperNinjaKitty | cheal thank you |
| 21:02.52 | SteveLab | eeyore-: forget cases http://www.highspeedpc.com/ :) |
| 21:03.28 | leeghoofd_ | can I use apt-setup to add a testing or unstable repo? |
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| 21:04.10 | SuperNinjaKitty | are some repositories behind others? |
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| 21:04.51 | cheal | leeghoofd_: yes |
| 21:05.19 | cheal | SuperNinjaKitty: yes. those proposed by apt-setup should be quite similar though |
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| 21:06.00 | SuperNinjaKitty | i have upgraded to etch before and that kernel wasnt available |
| 21:06.13 | leeghoofd_ | cheal, I don't understand, it asks for protocol -> country -> server -> proxy but not for what type of repo? |
| 21:06.39 | Rogue` | just add unstable or testing or main |
| 21:06.43 | cheal | leeghoofd_: what kind of type do you mean? |
| 21:07.03 | leeghoofd_ | cheal, testing, stable, or unstable |
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| 21:08.09 | Lilldude_ | how dou meke desk top folder in flush box i am in bash text comand |
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| 21:08.36 | darkcmd | what are the most up to date repos? |
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| 21:09.05 | nvz | !info fbdesk |
| 21:09.11 | dpkg | fbdesk: (desktop icons for fluxbox window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.1.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
| 21:09.17 | outlaw84 | is there a commando to redetect all usb devices? |
| 21:09.17 | nvz | Lilldude_: ^ |
| 21:09.18 | Lilldude_ | how do yor put folder on desk top with shell |
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| 21:09.48 | sgeigerbot | Lilldude_: are you asking a bout putting an icon on your desktop? |
| 21:09.57 | Lilldude_ | yes |
| 21:10.00 | mixmatch | !patch kernel |
| 21:10.01 | nvz | !folder |
| 21:10.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 21:10.26 | Lilldude_ | want to make folder on desk top useing shell |
| 21:10.33 | Rogue` | mkdir |
| 21:10.44 | SteveLab | Lilldude_: go to you desktop dir and mkdir |
| 21:10.46 | nvz | Lilldude_: ok you said this way too many times, there is no desktop there is no folders |
| 21:10.53 | cheal | darkcmd: try them |
| 21:11.04 | groton | outlaw84, maybe /etc/init.d/hotplug restart ? |
| 21:11.07 | nvz | s/desktop/desk top/ |
| 21:11.07 | darkcmd | heh, I don't have the bandwidth for that |
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| 21:11.14 | sgeigerbot | Lilldude_: I've tried a couple things. idesk was one. dfm is another. |
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| 21:11.29 | leeghoofd_ | where can I find the lines I have to add to the sources.list file for testing or unstable? |
| 21:11.34 | Lilldude_ | what abought text comand |
| 21:11.54 | nvz | Lilldude_: if you want an ICON on the ROOT WINDOW in FLUXBOX you have to install a DESKTOP application like fbdesk |
| 21:11.59 | SteveLab | Lilldude_: mkdir foldername |
| 21:12.17 | Lilldude_ | flux box is there cant find were icon is for desk top new one |
| 21:12.36 | SteveLab | ahem oh flux :) |
| 21:12.49 | nvz | Lilldude_: why must you separate all compond words. they are fucking componded for a reason |
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| 21:13.49 | cbr | syscrash2k: HAI |
| 21:13.57 | syscrash2k | hi @ lyfe cbr |
| 21:13.59 | nvz | Lilldude_: a "Desk Top" is the top of your desk where your computer sits. if you want a "folder" on it goto staples and buy a folder and put it on your "desk top" |
| 21:14.12 | SteveLab | nvz: lol |
| 21:14.31 | Rogue` | lol |
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| 21:15.12 | antgel_ | on the off chance that anyone has used prc-tools to cross-compile for the palm, given that m68k-palmos-gcc expects PilotMain at the entry point, what do i need to do to build, say libvorbis (or any library) with it? |
| 21:15.25 | nvz | its pissing me off, I told him like twice about fbdesk, because fluxbox (not flux box) doesnt have a desktop (not to be confused with desk top) and he still keeps using improper terminology like "folder" and separating compond words into syllables for some odd reason |
| 21:15.50 | thingfish | um, it's "compound" |
| 21:15.59 | cheal | leeghoofd_: look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 21:16.13 | nvz | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 21:16.14 | haz | I don't have a mysql socket file. How do I get one? |
| 21:16.26 | antgel_ | qotd contender |
| 21:16.28 | De_Mon | ask #mysql |
| 21:16.36 | haz | its a linux problem not a mysql problem |
| 21:16.48 | De_Mon | riiiiight |
| 21:16.54 | haz | a linux socket file is missing. |
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| 21:17.07 | Elly | hey guys, which debian is the 'right' one to use for a desktop system? |
| 21:17.39 | cheal | Elly: if you don't have a clue, try stable |
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| 21:18.01 | leeghoofd_ | thanks cheal |
| 21:18.01 | nvz | a greenhouse and a green house are two completly different things. |
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| 21:18.08 | De_Mon | haz whats the name of the missing socket file? |
| 21:18.16 | cheal | Elly: and if it doesn't work and you have reasons to believe something more recent would, use testing |
| 21:18.18 | nvz | the words were compounded to serve a specific meaning and fucntion in language |
| 21:18.20 | haz | De_Mon: lol, how would I know? |
| 21:18.30 | De_Mon | haz the error message? |
| 21:18.40 | haz | De_Mon: apt didn't place the socket file there, or it was somehow not created (I dont know) |
| 21:18.48 | De_Mon | (which you haven't provided) |
| 21:18.50 | jim | can anyone recommend a simple pppoe (preferibly graphical) configuration tool other than pppoeconf - I have tried pppoeconf and it doesn't seem to work. ALso checked /usr/share/doc/pppoe and everything looks OK. My provider requires that I log in via the OS's PPPOE |
| 21:18.54 | antgel_ | haz: which version of debian? |
| 21:18.54 | cheal | nvz: hehehe. we must be the green house :) |
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| 21:19.04 | haz | antgel_: sarge |
| 21:19.26 | haz | or whatever the latest is :] netinstalled a few days ago |
| 21:19.31 | antgel_ | haz: you may wish to check the bts. i recall something vaguely like this. |
| 21:19.32 | valdyn | jim: what doesnt work? |
| 21:19.36 | haz | antgel_: ty |
| 21:19.40 | antgel_ | haz: how can you not know what you installed? |
| 21:19.42 | valdyn | jim: im sure that's in the logfile |
| 21:19.42 | De_Mon | jim if you need a graphical interface to get pppoe working, you have a problem. |
| 21:19.44 | darkcmd | anyone know of any guides on setting up a minimal desktop install of debian |
| 21:19.52 | haz | antgel_: I didnt look that closely? why would I care about version? |
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| 21:20.11 | thingfish | hey Venson |
| 21:20.12 | Elly | alright, I'm downloading the netinstall disk |
| 21:20.13 | antgel_ | darkcmd: why don't you decide what you actually want to do, rather than use ambiguous terms like minimal desktop? |
| 21:20.28 | darkcmd | nvm sorry |
| 21:20.40 | Venson | hey thingfish |
| 21:20.43 | antgel_ | haz: do you not care which versions of operating systems you install? |
| 21:21.15 | De_Mon | haz you would care, because newer versions handle pppoe differently |
| 21:21.33 | jim | valdyn De_Mon where is the log - I don't need graphical config tool - but I know that fedora's netwrok-admin add dsl tool works. I can't get pppoe conf to work |
| 21:21.38 | antgel_ | De_Mon: it was jim who asked about pppoe |
| 21:21.46 | nvz | cheal: if he doesnt know how to speak and comprehend english he should be speaking his native language elsewhere. because there is no confusion between El invernadero and La casa verde or Serre chaude and Chambre verte, or Gew?chshaus and Gr?nes Haus but in english it makes a huge difference |
| 21:21.50 | haz | are you guys serious? |
| 21:21.51 | haz | shut up |
| 21:21.56 | valdyn | jim: /var/log/messages |
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| 21:22.13 | antgel_ | haz: why are you being abusive? |
| 21:22.26 | abrotman | antgel_: don't you love me anymore? |
| 21:22.27 | haz | antgel_: "OMG STUPID NOOB YOU DONT KNOW WHAT VERSION YOU INSTALLEDD!!" |
| 21:22.33 | haz | and demon is being retarded |
| 21:22.40 | abrotman | haz: it is kind of important |
| 21:22.46 | valdyn | jim: is pppoeconf even finding an access concentrator? |
| 21:22.47 | antgel_ | brilliant |
| 21:22.47 | abrotman | since .. well .. shit is broken in etch and sid |
| 21:22.48 | jim | valdyn - have you configured pppoe before? What setup did you use |
| 21:22.55 | Gnea | hrm |
| 21:23.07 | antgel_ | abrotman: er, yeah sure. aren't you feeling it? |
| 21:23.08 | abrotman | Gnea: did you know .. that 4/5 dead people prefer E17? |
| 21:23.10 | valdyn | jim: pppoeconf + vi |
| 21:23.13 | haz | are there multiple current versions available? |
| 21:23.22 | Gnea | abrotman: they see the light too late. |
| 21:23.23 | abrotman | haz: with debian .. always |
| 21:23.26 | jim | valdyn - not really sure - I've not set up pppoe on linux before except with fedora's graphical setup that just worked |
| 21:23.28 | De_Mon | antgel_ O_o oops |
| 21:23.31 | haz | I installed a bunch of packages and a kernel straight from the mothership |
| 21:23.37 | haz | not sure which version of debian however! |
| 21:23.38 | abrotman | Gnea: they were not .. as you say .. "Enlightened" ... |
| 21:23.52 | Tremulant | hi. i've got Debian 3.1 with glibc-2.3, but I need glibc-2.2. what should I do? downgrade glibc? install glibc-2.2? |
| 21:23.53 | Gnea | abrotman: oops. |
| 21:23.53 | antgel_ | haz: since you have done no research before installing the operating system, why not read http://www.debian.org/releases and /msg dpkg grounding |
| 21:23.54 | jim | valdyn - yes pppoeconf does find the acess concentrator (ie dsl connection ) |
| 21:23.55 | abrotman | haz: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:24.07 | haz | 3.1 |
| 21:24.09 | abrotman | haz: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:24.10 | valdyn | jim: fine, then read the log on what it does |
| 21:24.10 | jim | valdyn - it also detects wich ethernet card as well |
| 21:24.19 | Gnea | haz: are you familiar with the concept of 'RTFM'? |
| 21:24.23 | haz | I do rtfm. |
| 21:24.29 | Gnea | !tell haz about newbie-guide |
| 21:24.30 | abrotman | haz: and don't paste here .. i just need the stable/testing/unstable/sarge/etch/sid |
| 21:24.35 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 21:24.36 | haz | how can you assume that I dont rtfm based on the fact that I dont know what version? |
| 21:24.37 | Gnea | ok, just making sure. |
| 21:24.37 | dpkg | i guess refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
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| 21:24.40 | jim | valdyn - pppoeconf is the recommended setup then? |
| 21:24.44 | haz | logical fallacy gents |
| 21:24.44 | abrotman | haz: and don't paste here .. i just need the stable/testing/unstable/sarge/etch/sid |
| 21:24.46 | De_Mon | jim you might try looking at the what fedora's app wrote to the config |
| 21:24.57 | De_Mon | or just copy it |
| 21:24.59 | Gnea | because the fm explains it |
| 21:25.01 | valdyn | jim: sure, to extent debian recommends anything at all |
| 21:25.05 | haz | abrotman: sec |
| 21:25.11 | haz | abrotman: ty for helping |
| 21:25.12 | jim | valdyn - thx |
| 21:25.12 | valdyn | jim: sure, to the extent debian recommends anything at all |
| 21:25.13 | Gnea | it's not an assumption, it is fact. |
| 21:25.15 | abrotman | Gnea: we're not allowed to say that anymore :) |
| 21:25.26 | Gnea | abrotman: says who? :) |
| 21:25.42 | abrotman | haz: it's ok .. i'm about to go for beer .. suck it up while you can :) |
| 21:25.43 | antgel_ | abrotman: really? i noticed dpkg isn't as abrasive (read funny) these days |
| 21:25.47 | nvz | haz: that remark ended with a '?' and therefore was a question not an assumption. |
| 21:25.48 | haz | abrotman: I use stable (mostly) packes |
| 21:25.53 | abrotman | antgel_: he had his mouth washed out :) |
| 21:25.55 | haz | packages* |
| 21:26.05 | haz | okay you guys win I'm a stupid newbie, whats a manual? |
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| 21:26.09 | haz | HOW DO I INTERNET? |
| 21:26.15 | Gnea | haz: if you wish for further help, please clean up your attitude. |
| 21:26.30 | antgel_ | haz: you're remarkably smarmy for someone who doesn't know what he installed |
| 21:26.35 | haz | wait wait |
| 21:26.40 | Gnea | there is no wait. |
| 21:26.44 | Gnea | you will clean you attitude now. |
| 21:26.49 | De_Mon | lol |
| 21:26.50 | haz | if a bunch of people called you guys noobies and got on your ass over trivial things in a chatroom |
| 21:26.54 | nvz | Gnea: use the *plonk* duke. |
| 21:26.55 | The | does anyone know how to get linux to print to a konica 7020 network printer at address 192.168.2.10 |
| 21:26.56 | haz | you wouldnt be pissed? |
| 21:26.56 | Gnea | !troll haz |
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| 21:27.08 | antgel_ | haz: is your os version trivial |
| 21:27.08 | haz | add that to the pains of having a lot of things not working? |
| 21:27.08 | abrotman | haz: not mostly .. you either use stable or you don't |
| 21:27.09 | haz | honestly. |
| 21:27.11 | De_Mon | haz I would IGNORE them. |
| 21:27.15 | Gnea | haz: been there, done that. |
| 21:27.17 | haz | abrotman: specific packages arent stable |
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| 21:27.23 | Gnea | haz: moved on, things got better. |
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| 21:27.41 | haz | but you might agree that those added frustrations lead to short patience? |
| 21:27.42 | Gnea | haz: sit and stir and it only makes things worse. think i'm wrong? find out. |
| 21:27.44 | abrotman | www-data? |
| 21:27.49 | haz | sit and stir? |
| 21:27.49 | haz | what? |
| 21:27.50 | hogmeat | heh |
| 21:27.54 | haz | haz vs channel |
| 21:27.55 | haz | any takers? |
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| 21:28.09 | Gnea | !ops haz is abusive and off-topic |
| 21:28.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: haz is abusive and off-topic |
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| 21:28.29 | Gnea | you can't say that you weren't warned. |
| 21:28.35 | haz | did you just tell on me like a second grader? |
| 21:28.37 | nvz | I guess you didnt use the plonk |
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| 21:28.53 | De_Mon | moron |
| 21:28.55 | caphuso | way to go, haz |
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| 21:29.03 | cheal | hehe |
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| 21:29.13 | antgel_ | is mentor someone else? never speaks |
| 21:29.13 | nvz | caphuso: I think that makes you a first grader |
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| 21:29.18 | mua | Hello, can some one recomend me several programs for audio streaming? |
| 21:29.35 | Gnea | mua: as a server or client? |
| 21:29.37 | antgel_ | legend |
| 21:29.37 | caphuso | nvz: heh, that's what i was aiming for :) |
| 21:29.42 | Gnea | !beer mentor |
| 21:29.44 | nvz | antgel_: mentor speaks, you just don't have the capabilities to hear him. |
| 21:29.52 | abrotman | hey .. channel wins! |
| 21:29.52 | antgel_ | *grin* |
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| 21:30.01 | antgel_ | i liked him |
| 21:30.16 | De_Mon | he reminded me of the old dpkg |
| 21:30.18 | De_Mon | :( |
| 21:30.34 | patrick_ | Got Debian, installed from Knoppix (install #1790, since 1997, but, hey, who's counting?) BUT problem never saw before! |
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| 21:31.00 | nvz | mua: is it possible you can be more vague so I can have less of a clue as to wtf you are talking about? |
| 21:31.05 | matth_ | Hi folks |
| 21:31.18 | nvz | mua: do you mean to serve or playback streams ? |
| 21:31.24 | antgel_ | so sarcasm is allowed but rtfm isn't? |
| 21:31.25 | matth_ | I'm just testing that installer http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 21:31.45 | antgel_ | patrick_: before we flame you, are you running knoppix? |
| 21:31.51 | matth_ | and it fails after choosing 'unstable' when downloading base system |
| 21:31.56 | patrick_ | KDE won't load past peripheral after boot up, though Fluxbox runs fine! (since update to Unstable!) |
| 21:32.00 | Gnea | antgel_: no, rtfm is allowed, as is sarcasm, but throwing a tempor tantrum over it is not. |
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| 21:32.06 | antgel_ | matth_: have you checked bts? |
| 21:32.12 | cheal | patrick_: #debian-kde |
| 21:32.13 | nvz | mentor: now you can be like bob2 and have your very own pimp calculator |
| 21:32.15 | antgel_ | Gnea: what about calling people cunts? |
| 21:32.20 | patrick_ | Running Debian Kernel 2.6.11 |
| 21:32.25 | Inertiatic | hi. i've got Debian 3.1 with glibc-2.3, but I need glibc-2.2. what should I do? downgrade glibc? install glibc-2.2? :( |
| 21:32.31 | antgel_ | i just want to make sure i keep within guidelines :) |
| 21:32.34 | matth_ | "unable to D/L libsigc++-1.2-5c102" |
| 21:32.41 | Gnea | antgel_: as long as they're willing to retaliate once and only once. |
| 21:32.43 | matth_ | antgel_: nope, I cannot here |
| 21:32.48 | resiak | Inertiatic: Why do you "need glibc-2.2" ? |
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| 21:32.59 | sbk | hey, HP-85s are a good(tm) thing |
| 21:33.00 | patrick_ | Inertiatic: watch those dependancies when lyou try to go back in any lib! |
| 21:33.03 | asmodaiii | hi folks |
| 21:33.15 | caphuso | Inertiatic: use debian 3.0 instead |
| 21:33.17 | antgel_ | matth_: suggest that you install testing or stable and upgrade. i recall a bug about this looong ago |
| 21:33.20 | matth_ | antgel_: I've then D/L the big installer (debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso) and that step seems ok so far |
| 21:33.30 | caphuso | Inertiatic: perhaps in a chroot |
| 21:33.36 | rjalex | aaarghhhh firefox does not work anymore as normal user: *** loading the extensions datasource -> Segmentation fault. Tried dpkg --purge of firefox and reinstall but always the same. Please please help me :( :( :( |
| 21:33.52 | antgel_ | matth_: both nightly builds? |
| 21:33.56 | matth_ | antgel_: actually stable had a problem too but I didn't spoke about it because I don't remember the error msg :/ |
| 21:33.56 | caphuso | rjalex: "mv ~/.firefox ~/.firefox.old" and try again |
| 21:34.00 | patrick_ | WOW! INSTANT THOIUGHT! perhaps, I shud grab GNOME? |
| 21:34.07 | nvz | mentor: 613khz cpu, all calculations done in binary coded decimal, not that shitty binary mode arithmetic.. 8k ram, 5inch monitor and a built in 217K tape drive and 32char thermal printer |
| 21:34.08 | Gnea | antgel_: for instance, if you call me a cunt, i could call you a jackass or a buttpumper, but to continue on insulting you would be a violation. :) |
| 21:34.12 | cheal | rjalex: or try with another user |
| 21:34.14 | hogmeat | someone kick haz from #mysql |
| 21:34.18 | nvz | mentor: you can thank me later. |
| 21:34.32 | Gnea | hogmeat: is this #mysql? |
| 21:34.35 | jjazz | abrotman: Going to watch the game? |
| 21:34.36 | rjalex | caphuso: thanks trying ... |
| 21:34.38 | valdyn | matth_: if you pick unstable, you're on your own, its expected to be broken, you have better chances of getting this right by first installing stable and only then "upgrading" to whatever |
| 21:34.41 | matth_ | antgel_: I don't know if there are nightly build, dont think so cause that's the link on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 21:34.42 | abrotman | jjazz: not that kind of bar sadly |
| 21:34.42 | antgel_ | Gnea: *nod* |
| 21:34.43 | rjalex | cheal: helo my friend |
| 21:34.45 | mentor | nvz: Thanks. I woudl prefer an eyetap |
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| 21:35.03 | matth_ | valdyn: fair enough |
| 21:35.14 | abrotman | jjazz: and boston isn't on unless i go the fox&hound nearby |
| 21:35.18 | abrotman | bye! |
| 21:35.21 | jjazz | abrotman: Too bad. I'll be rooting for my boys tonight. Last night's game was great until they gave up 6 runs late in the game. Ugh. |
| 21:35.27 | eeyore- | nvz: sounds like a hot setup *smirk* |
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| 21:35.37 | antgel_ | matth_: that's stable. i can only suggest you check the bts |
| 21:35.37 | rjalex | caphuso: ;( ;( no moving .firefox to .firefox.old did NOT work :( :( |
| 21:35.39 | matth_ | valdyn: just wanted to declare it |
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| 21:36.06 | matth_ | antgel_: that's ok so far I've D/L the big netinst that may do it |
| 21:36.09 | jjazz | abrotman: Must be tough in philly to get Red Sox games. |
| 21:36.21 | matth_ | I'm not here to ask for some help |
| 21:36.33 | matth_ | just to point that there could be a problem for users |
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| 21:36.45 | patrick_ | Got the Debian 3.1 DVD in the mag. Kewl! but, I gotta swap the DVD as secondary, with the CD as primary, then, prolly load, run Deb... have a 1.3Duron, 256MB RAM and dual 80 Gb drives. |
| 21:36.50 | nvz | eeyore-: yeah and its only 20lbs "Because of the increased capabilities of future-generation microprocessors, coding efficiency won't really matter. Stretch it to the limit and you'll see what I mean - perhaps by the year 1999 all the software ever written will run in less than a minute. But you don't have to wait until then; forward thinking software houses have already shifted gears." |
| 21:36.59 | jjazz | rjalex: what about moving ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozzilla.old |
| 21:37.09 | jeff01 | can i download mousedev through apt? if so, what is the package's name |
| 21:37.25 | antgel_ | !tell jeff01 about search |
| 21:37.28 | valdyn | jeff01: its not a package, its a kernel module |
| 21:37.42 | antgel_ | !beer valdyn |
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| 21:37.51 | jeff01 | valdyn: i know |
| 21:37.53 | antgel_ | wtf are all these beers? |
| 21:37.57 | nvz | eeyore-: this high-tech vision of the future can be yours today for only US$ 3,250 |
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| 21:38.05 | valdyn | jeff01: if you know, why ask that question? |
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| 21:38.18 | rjalex | jjazz: you are a genius, a saint, a guru !!! omg that worked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how did you know !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:38.20 | eeyore- | nvz: somebody actually wrote that crap? i eye any prediction of future capabilities with great suspicion. |
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| 21:38.30 | resiak | !ep |
| 21:38.30 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:38.51 | eeyore- | nvz: it either doesn't pan out, or it's beyond your wildest dreams. (no personal flying car, yet. but, we sure can go supersonic) |
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| 21:39.04 | nvz | eeyore-: http://oldcomputers.net/hp85.html |
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| 21:39.33 | jjazz | rjalex: That's where firefox stores all its user settings. Since you replaced the system-wide settings, it was a good bet your user settings were the problem-- probably a buggy plugin or extension. |
| 21:39.35 | alex__ | any ideas when firefox 1.0.7 will be in unstable? |
| 21:40.05 | valdyn | alex__: when the maintainer uploads it? |
| 21:40.10 | rjalex | jjazz, may I talk to you just 3 mins on this topic ? |
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| 21:40.23 | jjazz | rjalex: please don't PM me |
| 21:40.26 | alex__ | valdyn: well, yeah....but there haven't been any announcements |
| 21:40.34 | alex__ | ? |
| 21:40.38 | Mole | is it possible to specify which xorg.conf to use with GDM? id like to use GDM to pick if i want tvout activated or not ;) |
| 21:40.41 | valdyn | alex__: there never is |
| 21:40.43 | nvz | eeyore-: I bet my abacus could run circles around that thing.. heh |
| 21:40.44 | jjazz | rjalex: But feel free to ask questions in-channel. |
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| 21:40.59 | alex__ | valdyn: got it, i'll sit tight, thanks |
| 21:41.05 | _mua | hello.. please can u advise me some soft for audio streaming(as a server).. again.. |
| 21:41.11 | darkcmd | time to setup the thinclients |
| 21:41.12 | nkuttler | Mole: um, x is already started when you see gdm |
| 21:41.21 | Mole | nkuttler : ok that sucks :) |
| 21:41.31 | rjalex | jjazz: now FF segfaults again ... |
| 21:41.46 | jjazz | rjalex: What changed? |
| 21:41.47 | Mole | nkuttler : can i specify which one to use with startx? right now im copying different files to /etc/X11/xorg.conf :) |
| 21:41.50 | iip2 | _mua: icecast ? |
| 21:41.52 | rjalex | jjazz: FF nehaved very well until I just installed Sun JRE 1.5 .... |
| 21:42.10 | nvz | eeyore-: but doesn't do math in 15point BCD rounded off to 12 decimals for accuracy or have a built in thermal printer |
| 21:42.12 | cahoot | Mole: with startx - yes |
| 21:42.13 | jjazz | rjalex: OK, well the problem is obviouslt the interaction between FF and the Sun JRE |
| 21:42.20 | Mole | cahoot : ok |
| 21:42.22 | darkcmd | so FF is crashing once you installed the "third party" java runtime? |
| 21:42.26 | resiak | Mole: man startx ? |
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| 21:42.30 | eeyore- | nvz: how about the Curta? |
| 21:42.35 | rjalex | jjazz: need Sun JRE for Freemind, OO2 etc. !!! :( |
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| 21:42.42 | Mole | resiak : yep..thx ;) |
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| 21:42.47 | Gnea | rjalex: FF works better with 1.4.2 |
| 21:42.49 | valdyn | rjalex: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 21:42.54 | nvz | eeyore-: is that one of them rotating ones that looks like an old pencil sharpener? |
| 21:43.03 | jjazz | rjalex: I have no idea what Freemind or 002 are |
| 21:43.07 | _mua | iip2: does icecasr support life audio streaming? |
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| 21:43.17 | jjazz | rjalex: do what valdyn suggests... talk to dpkg |
| 21:43.18 | rjalex | valdyn: I used java-package to build and install Sun JRE 1.5.0 |
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| 21:43.33 | rjalex | OO2 = OpenOffice 2 beta .. sorry |
| 21:43.34 | Gnea | rjalex: are you reading me? get 1.4.2 JRE |
| 21:43.36 | neil | my nvidia kernel module and "this X module" are different versions, how do i correct this |
| 21:43.38 | eeyore- | nvz: yep |
| 21:43.53 | eeyore- | nvz: http://www.vcalc.net/cu.htm |
| 21:43.55 | rjalex | jjazz: Freemind is a very very neat "mindmapping" application |
| 21:44.10 | nvz | eeyore-: I've never seen or used on of those. looked curious to me in pictures |
| 21:44.20 | rjalex | Gnea: thank you ... purge JRE 1.5 and use java_package to build/install 1.4.2 ?? |
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| 21:45.00 | neil | can anybody give me a hand with this? |
| 21:45.03 | cheal | neil: what does $ dpkg -l nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2* return? |
| 21:45.06 | iip2 | _mua: without problem. I know it works with OSS. I think with Alsa too. |
| 21:45.16 | gihad | I use debian, and the Comman esddsp doesn' t exist in my system. Is it related to Debian ? How do I make this command available ? |
| 21:45.32 | eeyore- | $2400 for a new curta II, complete with box, manual, etc. factory-new condition. |
| 21:45.47 | rjalex | jjazz: sorry for being a total newb in IRC but when I see /msg dpkg java-package what should I do ? If I give that command nothing seems to happn |
| 21:45.54 | valdyn | !tell gihad -about search |
| 21:46.05 | jjazz | rjalex type /msg dpkg java-package |
| 21:46.05 | valdyn | gihad: install the package containing it |
| 21:46.23 | kreg_lt | so many hosts, so many keys, so many logins, how do you keep track? |
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| 21:46.36 | eeyore- | nvz: i can't conceive how one would make mechanical calculators ... |
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| 21:46.51 | rjalex | jjazz: thanks .. knew about java-package and already use it. thank you |
| 21:46.52 | gihad | valdyn, lol |
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| 21:47.15 | gihad | valdyn, esd is already installed :( |
| 21:47.25 | neil | nvidia-glx=1.0.7174-3 and nvidia-kernel=1.0.7174-3+~+2.6 |
| 21:47.27 | nvz | eeyore-: the thought that went into that was far more complex than the calculations it could make |
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| 21:47.57 | valdyn | !find esddsp |
| 21:48.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'esddsp' (2): (/usr/bin/esddsp) in sound/esound-clients ;; (/usr/lib/esound/{libesddsp.so.0|libesddsp.so.0.2.36}) in libs/libesd-alsa0,libs/libesd0. |
| 21:48.26 | valdyn | gihad: ^^^ |
| 21:48.32 | _mua | i'v got problem with icecast.. it bind's on xxx port but from client (xmms) a can't connect! |
| 21:48.44 | eeyore- | nvz: even just from the picture, it looks like a thing of extreme beauty. :) |
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| 21:49.37 | waterski1 | !search mousedev |
| 21:49.40 | gihad | valdyn, does that mean something ? |
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| 21:49.52 | iip2 | _mua: did you setup the whole chain ? Ices -> Icecast -> XMMS/Ogg123/whatever ? |
| 21:50.08 | nvz | eeyore-: I am playing witht the flash simulation http://www.vcalc.net/curta_simulator_en.htm |
| 21:50.13 | iip2 | _mua: by the way, are you streaming in vorbis or MP3 ? |
| 21:50.26 | cheal | neil: hum, try # rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia then restarting X |
| 21:50.32 | valdyn | gihad: did you read it? |
| 21:50.42 | nvz | eeyore-: cant for the life of me figure it out there ate like 3 dials, one that pulls in and out and little sliders on the side |
| 21:50.54 | gihad | valdyn, Yes I did, stop thinking I am a complete noob, that' s the second time you do that |
| 21:51.00 | _mua | both.. none of them works.. |
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| 21:51.28 | valdyn | gihad: /usr/bin/esddsp) in sound/esound-clients <- |
| 21:51.41 | _mua | all soft is installed.. icecast -v =2.x.x |
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| 21:52.22 | nvz | eeyore-: looks like a tear gas granade. even has what looks like a little pull pin on the side |
| 21:52.26 | gihad | it's not in /usr/bin/ that' s the first place I Tried |
| 21:52.29 | Cyano-Mobile | anyone know what package contains libbfd-2.15.so |
| 21:52.41 | valdyn | gihad: apt-get install esound-clients |
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| 21:52.54 | gihad | valdyn, thanks |
| 21:53.03 | eeyore- | Cyano-Mobile: the linker maybe? (that would be binutils) |
| 21:53.57 | iip2 | _mua: have you tried in non-daemon mode ? Doesn't it give any information about the problem ? |
| 21:54.19 | The | I've been looking at the mgetty files still cant get it to ask for a login name and password and pass the user to the internet |
| 21:54.28 | _mua | iip2: i even can see the stats from my browser |
| 21:54.40 | rjalex | friends. purge Sun JRE 1.5, purge firefox and reinstalled. FF starts. how do I get back my bookmarks without breaking the baby ? (at the beginning I saved .mozilla and .firefox to the .old counterparts) |
| 21:55.15 | _mua | everything works whithout errors.. but no connection |
| 21:55.34 | iip2 | _mua: if you can see some info about the stream Icecast restransmit, it's obviously a network problem, independant from the software, isn't it ? |
| 21:56.03 | Cyano-Mobile | eeyore-: amule won't run withought it and I can't figure out what package is needed to fix the problem. I tried to reconfigure binutils |
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| 21:56.13 | valdyn | rjalex: ~/.firefox/default/<bunchofletter>/bookmarks.html |
| 21:56.17 | iip2 | _mua: have you tried netstat ? looking at your iptables ? trying a telnet ? |
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| 21:56.53 | valdyn | !find libbfd-2.15.so |
| 21:57.06 | rjalex | valdyn: thank you and after that I will try building a Sun JRE 1.4.2 with java-package and hope that does not break anything. |
| 21:57.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libbfd-2.15.so' returned no results. |
| 21:57.42 | valdyn | rjalex: btw, i just played some java game: sarge/j2re1.5update4/firefox, so im not sure what's wrong with yours |
| 21:57.43 | eeyore- | Cyano-Mobile: generally speaking, *.so files are supplied in <package>-dev, so if libbfd comes with binutils, then binutils-dev should contain libbfd*.so |
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| 21:58.06 | rjalex | valdyn: neither am I :( |
| 21:58.15 | eeyore- | Cyano-Mobile: to find out which package the file came from, dpkg --search <filename> |
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| 21:58.47 | j0bezone | I installed Sun's java using java packages, and am having no problem ( firefox crashed once) |
| 21:58.54 | _mua | on the server 8000 port is open.. on client i can connect to the 8000 port via browser.. imho no network problem |
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| 21:59.26 | eeyore- | Cyano-Mobile: for me, sid, /usr/lib/libbfd-2.16.91.so came from binutils itself |
| 22:00.09 | fken | see ya |
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| 22:00.26 | _mua | maybe its all in icecast config? do u remember anythin from cfg? |
| 22:00.32 | Julie1 | hey all |
| 22:00.32 | rjalex | ding ding : midnight here .. good morning to all :) |
| 22:00.34 | valdyn | eeyore-: you got that wrong |
| 22:00.44 | Julie1 | PeterS are you here tonight? |
| 22:00.47 | eeyore- | valdyn: probably. which in particular? |
| 22:00.58 | valdyn | eeyore-: so files are not from -dev packages |
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| 22:01.35 | Julie1 | hey guys can anybody answer a silly question for me? |
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| 22:01.51 | eeyore- | valdyn: for the most part, they do. libmysqlclient.so for example |
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| 22:02.09 | eeyore- | valdyn: but i'm sure there are exceptions. binutils itself is one of them :-) |
| 22:02.13 | Julie1 | i'm trying to get a touchscreen to work... and i need to get the driver working under xfree86... How do i get Xfree86 to recognise my touchkit_drv.o as a driver? |
| 22:02.15 | valdyn | eeyore-: nope |
| 22:02.21 | patrick__ | How silly, Julie1? I am felling silly today! |
| 22:02.21 | ryty | theoretically, is it possible to use two (2) monitors simultaneously in console mode? |
| 22:02.28 | _mua | iip2: Is there an alternative of icecast? |
| 22:02.30 | Julie1 | thats kinda silly isn't it? :\ |
| 22:02.30 | valdyn | eeyore-: so files are dynamic libraries, they typically in libxxx |
| 22:02.31 | Blissex | ryty: yes. |
| 22:02.33 | eeyore- | valdyn: examples? |
| 22:02.40 | eeyore- | valdyn: no, so files are just symlinks :-) |
| 22:02.50 | ryty | Blissex, do you have some sort of method to the madness? |
| 22:03.07 | eeyore- | valdyn: we're talking about the ones without the .<major>.<minor> at the end |
| 22:03.10 | dondelelcaro | ryty: I've actually never seen a setup to do that myself... but then again, I always found loads of X terms to be far more useful than two text consoles |
| 22:03.17 | Blissex | ryty: well, there used to be incredibly ancient patches to do that. One of the monitors had to be in VGA text mode... |
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| 22:03.34 | eeyore- | valdyn: we're *not* talking about "an" *.so file in general, which are shared objects, yes, i know. |
| 22:03.37 | Blissex | ryty: let's say that in recent years that kind of practice has fallen into obscurity. |
| 22:03.50 | eeyore- | valdyn: we're talking about libfoo.so, vs libfoo.so.<major>.<minor>.<revision> |
| 22:03.51 | ryty | hmm, I'd love to bring it back |
| 22:04.16 | Blissex | ryty: but there is another set of patches that allows one to have two independent monitors with two related keyboards, so the same box can be used by two users at the same time. |
| 22:04.19 | sgeigerbot | ryty: I think I have heard about that kind of thing. |
| 22:04.27 | sgeigerbot | ryty: let me look up info on it. |
| 22:04.36 | valdyn | eeyore-: right. |
| 22:04.49 | ryty | Blissex, when things like this were done, were two video cards used, or one with a dvi adapter on it? |
| 22:04.51 | Blissex | ryty: if you do a web search I am pretty sure there is even an HOWTO about it, and it may still be in the kernel somehow. |
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| 22:04.58 | sgeigerbot | ryty: CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE - MDA text console (dual-headed) - say Y here if you have an old MDA or onochrome hercules graphics adapter in your system acting as asecond head. |
| 22:04.59 | Blissex | ryty: strictly only two cards. |
| 22:05.15 | ryty | ok :-( |
| 22:05.34 | valdyn | eeyore-: there's a ton of exceptions, still you got a point ) |
| 22:05.46 | Julie1 | hey all, i'm trying to get a touchscreen to work... and i need to get the driver working under xfree86... How do i get Xfree86 to recognise my touchkit_drv.o as a driver? |
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| 22:07.15 | sgeigerbot | ryty: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7852 <- might be using X... |
| 22:07.24 | eeyore- | valdyn: :) well, libraries are supposed to be named in "nice" way, with version numbers and all. and you don't need the "plain *.so" except if you're linking. so, the thinking goes, if you don't need it, don't ship it. however some people make libraries without version names at the end and just ship the lib*.so files themselves ... well yeah, this becomes exception :) |
| 22:07.43 | Julie1 | does noone know or am i on a queue of some kind..? |
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| 22:07.49 | Gnea | blah, what was that ssh command again for tar? tar cvf - /somedir/ | ssh user@1.2.3.4:~/file.tar ? |
| 22:08.32 | jlil | have somting on desk top how to i put it on floppy? |
| 22:08.32 | CaptainBah | fsck keeps asking upon reboot for us to manually check /dev/hdx -- but when we do, it comes up clean every time. restarting again requires the same manual fsck. what gives? |
| 22:08.32 | The | I'm tryng to set a dailin ISP. I have everything running .. the modem anwsering the phone etc. I can login using windows Hyper Terminal but this only allows me to log directley into the server.. I try usng explorers dialer and I get an error 737 Loopback was detected. can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? |
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| 22:08.33 | Gnea | Julie1: dunno, never done it, but apparantly there's a touchscreen on this laptop that i wanna try |
| 22:08.33 | sgeigerbot | ryty: In any case "multiheaded system" might be good to google with. |
| 22:08.33 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: dismount it cleanly, maybe? |
| 22:08.45 | CaptainBah | jlil: mount /floppy |
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| 22:08.45 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: what kind of filesystem is it? |
| 22:08.45 | ryty | thanks |
| 22:08.45 | Gnea | Julie1: could just google for a howto |
| 22:08.45 | Blissex | Julie1: if you expect under 2 minute response, please quote your platinum support account number and validation code. |
| 22:08.45 | Julie1 | yea i did |
| 22:08.52 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: ext3 |
| 22:08.53 | Julie1 | no luck |
| 22:09.03 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: are you sure? |
| 22:09.25 | Gnea | what did you try searching for? |
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| 22:09.31 | Julie1 | Blissex i'm not moaning... Just asking if there is something of a queue or that noone knows... thats not a weird thing to ask is it? |
| 22:09.34 | Blissex | Julie1: consider asking in #XFree86 or #Xorg |
| 22:09.35 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: how do we doublecheck? |
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| 22:09.49 | jlil | capt cant find floppy eror |
| 22:09.53 | rev0 | Umphh...some SERIOUS help needed with IrDA.. |
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| 22:10.00 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: dumpe2fs /dev/.... | grep "Filesystem state" |
| 22:10.10 | loke | what is debians default naming convetion for my serial port? i dont see /dev/ttyS0 listed in /dev |
| 22:10.33 | Blissex | loke: its different if you are using 'devfsd' |
| 22:10.37 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: must we do that in single-user mode? |
| 22:10.43 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: doesn't matter |
| 22:10.43 | ilpavox | what file does iwconfig get its essid from again? |
| 22:10.45 | Blissex | loke: try '/dev/tts/0' |
| 22:10.49 | Gnea | Julie1: usually the way it works here is you ask a question and if someone knows, they'll answer.. there is 'queue' |
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| 22:10.53 | jlil | captainblah cant find floppy what i doo? |
| 22:10.55 | Gnea | i mean, there is NO queue |
| 22:11.02 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: we're just looking at some fields in the ext3/ext3 descriptors |
| 22:11.03 | rev0 | IrDA in TP 600e receives files but when I try to send a file : "Connecting....failed" |
| 22:11.10 | loke | Blissex so try /dev/tts/0 |
| 22:11.11 | Julie1 | lol k :D |
| 22:11.12 | Blissex | Gnea: is that queue like a spoon? |
| 22:11.36 | Julie1 | there is no spoon :P |
| 22:11.37 | loke | Blissex there is no file /dev/tts |
| 22:11.38 | Julie1 | lol |
| 22:11.55 | eeyore- | loke: did you load any serial port module? |
| 22:12.32 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: dumpe2fs says "Filesystem state: clean" |
| 22:12.34 | rev0 | any clue why it receive but not send??? |
| 22:12.45 | loke | eeryore no |
| 22:12.55 | rev0 | It's SIR IrDA on /dev/ttyS0 |
| 22:12.55 | loke | erryore- what module should i load? |
| 22:13.11 | rev0 | loke...maybe...serial_core? |
| 22:13.37 | loke | ahh shit man |
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| 22:13.47 | loke | im sshed in to my openbsd and trying from there |
| 22:13.48 | monchis | hi |
| 22:13.51 | loke | sorry, im a fuckin moron |
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| 22:14.01 | monchis | i can't install Linux on my PC |
| 22:14.12 | asmodaiii | monchis: ... why? |
| 22:14.12 | rev0 | loke... ;) dont worry...happens to best ones |
| 22:14.15 | cheal | muahaha |
| 22:14.25 | CaptainBah | jlil: cat /etc/fstab | grep floppy |
| 22:14.33 | Julie1 | no such thing as a moron.. not if you actually got linux to run properly |
| 22:14.36 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: well, thre's no reason why the boot should demand that it be checked, then. show me the fstab entry for that filesystem |
| 22:14.39 | monchis | don't know asmodaiii |
| 22:14.53 | monchis | I have problems maybe with my hardware I don't know |
| 22:15.18 | rev0 | monchis so what does the "black screen" say? |
| 22:15.42 | monchis | that's the weirdest thing.. it says nothing |
| 22:15.52 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: the relevant line is as follows: |
| 22:16.13 | rev0 | monchis ??? did you put the disc to cd-rom? |
| 22:16.16 | monchis | I have tried to install various Linux, for example: fedora, debian, mandrake, red hat |
| 22:16.21 | The | is there a good IRC to goto for getting help on setting up dialin ISP server |
| 22:16.31 | monchis | I have them all on DVD |
| 22:16.34 | Gnea | Blissex: something like that |
| 22:16.37 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: /dev/hdd1 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 22:16.40 | monchis | already on the DVD disks |
| 22:16.50 | ryty | thanks guys, I'm out |
| 22:16.51 | rev0 | monchis??? on ONE DVD???? |
| 22:16.57 | Blissex | The: not really.... There are some low traffic newsgroups and quite a few HOWTOs. |
| 22:17.09 | cheal | Julie1: you'd be surprised |
| 22:17.24 | Julie1 | lol cheal :P |
| 22:17.24 | monchis | nope.. each one on a separate dvd disk |
| 22:17.28 | jlil | captain blah stil no floppy it formated |
| 22:17.29 | rev0 | ok |
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| 22:17.37 | Julie1 | theres a difference between lack of knowledge and morons though |
| 22:17.48 | The | I can find everything I am looking for except this one problem.... |
| 22:17.48 | Julie1 | although theres always the morons with lack of knowledge :P |
| 22:18.01 | Gnea | heh |
| 22:18.03 | rev0 | monchis when you put dvd into computer whats happens? |
| 22:18.03 | cheal | did we get some "shit, I was trying on my windoze box" yet? |
| 22:18.13 | Julie1 | LOL |
| 22:18.15 | Julie1 | seriously? |
| 22:18.16 | Gnea | Julie1: very nicely rationalized ;P |
| 22:18.17 | cheal | Julie1: heh |
| 22:18.40 | cheal | Julie1: I don't remember that |
| 22:18.43 | jlil | got it fix thanks |
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| 22:19.29 | monchis | it do not boot, and when it does it get paralized |
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| 22:20.05 | rev0 | monchis hmmm...is it laptop or desktop computer? |
| 22:20.12 | monchis | a desktop |
| 22:20.22 | rev0 | monchis LG DVD maybe? |
| 22:20.48 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: dumpe2fs /dev/hdd1 | grep "Filesystem features" |
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| 22:21.17 | rev0 | monchis some older versions of LG firmware have problems with booting from DVD... |
| 22:21.28 | patrick__ | Julie1, you checked for 'touchscreen' in http://google.com/linux ?? |
| 22:21.31 | jlil | captain whast this error mean |
| 22:21.36 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau, hi |
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| 22:21.37 | rev0 | monchis I would advice normal CD instead |
| 22:21.37 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: and when you manually checked the filesystem, did you say "y" to all the prompts that you asked to fix? |
| 22:21.39 | jlil | mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified |
| 22:21.39 | jlil | Please check that the disk is entered correctly. |
| 22:21.48 | monchis | nope.. PLEXTOR |
| 22:21.58 | rev0 | monchis still I would advice normal CD instead |
| 22:22.30 | rev0 | monchis download iso from i.e.www.elivecd.org |
| 22:22.38 | rev0 | monchis burn it |
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| 22:22.56 | eeyore- | monchis: how exactly did you put the installation software "on the dvd"? |
| 22:23.02 | rev0 | monchis it has GREAT autodetect script |
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| 22:23.13 | eeyore- | rev0: i bet i know what's happening |
| 22:23.47 | rev0 | eeyore- burning iso like normal file in Nero ,hehe? |
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| 22:24.08 | patrick__ | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree86-Touch-Screen-HOWTO.html is the TouchScreen how to, in search of 'touch screen' on google.com/linux searchengine. |
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| 22:24.15 | monchis | it was on a .iso, i burned it with Alcohol 120 |
| 22:24.15 | eeyore- | rev0: plausibly, esp. since he mentioned "on dvd" and not "on a bootable cd i happened to burn with dvd drive" |
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| 22:24.56 | eeyore- | monchis: if you stick the media into a windows machine, what files do you see on the media? |
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| 22:25.05 | Gnea | patrick__: but what about x.org? |
| 22:25.08 | eeyore- | monchis: btw, did you burn dvd or cd media? |
| 22:25.10 | monchis | let me check |
| 22:25.12 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: there were no errors to fix with "y" -- we just umounted the filesystem cleanly, rebooted, and again the error is as follows: |
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| 22:25.24 | monchis | i burned it on a DVD media |
| 22:25.38 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: you probably *should* actually "e2fsck /dev/hdd1" <- this will clean the "needs recovery" bit |
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| 22:25.44 | CaptainBah | fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hdd1 |
| 22:25.48 | Thaddeus | I am new to linux and i need help configuring X, I am stuck at 800x600 and this computer ran 1024x768 under windows xp fine. |
| 22:25.48 | eeyore- | monchis: try burning it to a cd media. |
| 22:26.01 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: that's different |
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| 22:26.06 | monchis | how? i have the dvd ISO |
| 22:26.17 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: how/when did you get that message? |
| 22:26.20 | patrick__ | julie1? here is the touch screen 'how to', from TLDP... http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XFree86-Touch-Screen-HOWTO.html |
| 22:26.21 | eeyore- | monchis: oh i see. |
| 22:26.37 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: every time we boot |
| 22:26.49 | eeyore- | monchis: look at the content first, then |
| 22:26.54 | rev0 | Thaddeus hmmm....change default in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:27.09 | monchis | which content? |
| 22:27.10 | deadcat | still xfree? |
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| 22:28.02 | Thaddeus | ok let mesee, I oh man i forgot what util i used but it said that the current setup was good for no more then 800x600 but i know it can |
| 22:28.03 | Yildirim | hello, can anyone help me with uw-imapd ? i can't receive emails. how can i fix that problem? |
| 22:28.18 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: hmm. do you use devfs or udev? |
| 22:28.27 | EmleyMoor | Yildirim: What happens? |
| 22:28.36 | rev0 | Thaddeus: or easier way - boot Knoppix,mount your system and copy damn /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 from Knoppix :) |
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| 22:28.50 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: not sure |
| 22:29.00 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: how do i check? |
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| 22:29.12 | rev0 | Thaddeus: that's BEST way if you're newbie ;) |
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| 22:29.55 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: e2fsck /dev/hdd1 returned clean instantly. |
| 22:30.16 | benkong2 | is there a good place to understand the configuration of apache2 relative to a debian install? it's different than FC |
| 22:30.21 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: ps axfwu | grep udevd, or grep devfsd, i guess |
| 22:30.46 | rev0 | One day I just woke up to see that my IrDA in ThinkPad 600e isn't sending the files anymore...just receiving... :( any clue why??? |
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| 22:31.05 | Yildirim | EmleyMoor i had before this imapd an otherone.. it worked very nice. Because last day if have forced the deb file from debian with apt-get force.. Now i cant receive any emails. I have now installed apache an php again its correctly working at this moment but i cannot receive email from out/in side.. |
| 22:31.13 | RomanK | Hm... wow.. kmail in sid seems to be really broken, all the mails i receive are empty |
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| 22:32.10 | EmleyMoor | Yildirim: Yes, but what happens when you try? Does it sit there doing nothing? Connection refused? Does the program at the other end swear in Swahili? |
| 22:32.23 | CaptainBah | eeyore-: udevd is running |
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| 22:32.35 | Thaddeus | Ok in the config file is this line that i think is my problem: SubSection "Display"....... modes "800x600" "640x480" |
| 22:32.46 | RomanK | hm... ok, i was wrong... |
| 22:32.51 | RomanK | my /tmp was completely full.. |
| 22:32.53 | Lanix | heyy ! |
| 22:33.21 | eeyore- | CaptainBah: maybe your udevd is having a problem ... ask someone if they've seen similar issues. i don't. :-) if you get the "no /dev/hdd1" during boot, it's almost certainly udevd's fault |
| 22:33.28 | Fox_1_ | !tell Fox_1_ kernel |
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| 22:33.31 | rev0 | eeyore- maybe you've got some experience with IrDA?? |
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| 22:33.40 | Fox_1_ | ~tell Fox_1_ kernel |
| 22:33.42 | eeyore- | rev0: nope :) |
| 22:33.49 | eeyore- | rev0: just plain serial |
| 22:33.50 | rev0 | Thaddeus, add "1024x768" before them |
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| 22:34.02 | Thaddeus | ok |
| 22:34.11 | Yildirim | EmleyMoor: it can connnect to the mailserver, there isnt a problem. But email which i have sent to myself will not be received or deliverd in the correctmailbox |
| 22:34.11 | rev0 | eeyore-, serial you say ;) |
| 22:34.15 | eeyore- | rev0: the only infrared experience i have is with lirc :) |
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| 22:34.24 | Fox_1_ | anyone please write ~tell Fox_1_ kernel |
| 22:34.25 | rev0 | eeyore-, and USB maybe? |
| 22:34.28 | Oliver-Beograd | somebody know ho to fix this error : checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. |
| 22:34.35 | eeyore- | rev0: well yeah, i thought of doing irda between the handheld and mini-itx box |
| 22:34.43 | EmleyMoor | !tell Fox_l_ about kernel |
| 22:34.55 | Thaddeus | ok changes done now how do i "apply" the changes? |
| 22:35.10 | streuner | !tell Fox_1_ about msg |
| 22:35.20 | rev0 | eeyore-, what kind of handheld?? PalmOS,PocketPC,PSION? |
| 22:35.33 | eeyore- | rev0: palmos, yeah. garmin ique |
| 22:35.35 | streuner | !tell Fox_1_ about help |
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| 22:35.51 | Fox_1_ | without "about" |
| 22:36.08 | rev0 | eeyore-, well...all you need is obexftp and irda-utils debs |
| 22:36.09 | streuner | fox__: no |
| 22:36.20 | Fox_1_ | why? |
| 22:36.20 | dcmbrown | What architecture would I use for 64bit Xeon's? The official ia64 install or the unofficial amd64 install? I'm testing out a system for production but the debian system I've setup complains it cannot compile various programs (kernel/apache/etc) in 64bit mode. |
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| 22:36.23 | streuner | Fox_1_: no |
| 22:36.24 | rev0 | eeyore-, done this before :) |
| 22:36.24 | EmleyMoor | Fox_l_: What do you expect that to do? |
| 22:36.25 | eeyore- | rev0: (gentoo) |
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| 22:36.42 | streuner | Fox_1_: because without 'about' you didn't get the message at all... |
| 22:36.54 | Fox_1_ | just want to understand how script works |
| 22:37.03 | Yildirim | EmleyMoor can you help me with this matter? |
| 22:37.04 | eeyore- | rev0: i wanted to establish a ppp connection though, so i could use the garmin as "remote control" device |
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| 22:37.22 | streuner | Fox_1_: /msg dpkg <factoid> and you get those messages by yourself |
| 22:37.27 | EmleyMoor | Yildirim: Not particularly - there could be any number of reasons |
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| 22:37.41 | jlil | cant get floppy to mount |
| 22:37.42 | eeyore- | rev0: since i want to take out the keyboard/mouse from the mini-itx box, i'd need another input device and the garmin seems like a good choice. i already got it might as well use it |
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| 22:37.46 | rev0 | eeyore-, hmmm check p3nfs - great tool! |
| 22:37.46 | Fox_1_ | !tell Fox_1_ about kernel |
| 22:37.47 | Yildirim | ill look for you |
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| 22:37.54 | streuner | Fox_1_: no |
| 22:37.58 | dondelelcaro | Fox_1_: please use /msg instead. |
| 22:38.02 | streuner | Fox_1_: /msg dpkg kernel |
| 22:38.25 | Yildirim | but there isnt any number of reason.. everything will work |
| 22:38.41 | eeyore- | rev0: i see p3nfs. not what i need :) |
| 22:38.56 | Yildirim | the emails will be not deliverd in the mail box (/var/mail/user) |
| 22:39.16 | rev0 | eeyore-, on the other hand..on garmin you can put lil' terminal and establish ssh connection ;) |
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| 22:39.34 | EmleyMoor | Yildirim: So, instead of the mail going into the correct box, what happens? Does it go into the wrong one? Fall head first into /dev/null? Go to /dev/dsp thereby making a hell of a noise? |
| 22:39.46 | rev0 | eeyore-, that would be a real hard-core ride :) |
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| 22:39.56 | key2 | hi |
| 22:39.59 | Thaddeus | Ok i am going to restart then and see if this works, thanks for the help |
| 22:40.02 | key2 | how can I make a .deb ? |
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| 22:40.22 | streuner | key2: what app? |
| 22:40.32 | key2 | If i have some .tar.gz |
| 22:40.34 | key2 | I installed them |
| 22:40.42 | key2 | and It was a pain in the ass to get all the lib and stuff |
| 22:40.44 | streuner | key2: has it a name? |
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| 22:40.50 | key2 | ueagle |
| 22:40.56 | eeyore- | rev0: i haven't done any kind of programming on the palmos before :) this will be interesting |
| 22:41.17 | key2 | streuner? |
| 22:41.20 | Fox_1_ | from where are script get that information? |
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| 22:41.45 | EmleyMoor | Fox_l_: Do you mean "Where does dpkg get its factoids?"? |
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| 22:41.53 | Yildirim | EmleyMoor i have do /dev/null for all of the users.. because i've find another file where mailboxes are mentioned .. /loca/mail/imap are the samefiles as /var/mail.. can it happen that the config file are not correct set? where can i find it maybe i can try to set it to the other folder ? |
| 22:41.59 | rev0 | eeyore-, I made my diploma by creating medical database-type program on palmos :) I have pretty good experience |
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| 22:42.27 | Fox_1_ | EmleyMoor, i don't know what is factoids mean:) |
| 22:42.29 | rev0 | eeyore-, believe me.it's great OS for developing small progs |
| 22:42.29 | EmleyMoor | Yildirim: You're going a bit beyond me now |
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| 22:42.57 | Rubin | i have a debian system on a very small (1.3 gig) hard disk |
| 22:43.05 | Rubin | any suggestions on where to save space? |
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| 22:43.09 | EmleyMoor | Fox_l_: <cockney> Factoids is der fings wot you get when you /msg dpkg in dat way. </cockney> |
| 22:43.11 | Yildirim | EmleyMoor do you know where i can find the imapd config file? |
| 22:43.24 | Rubin | i want to upgrade to sarge but it cutting it real close |
| 22:43.28 | EmleyMoor | Yildirim: Somewhere in /etc |
| 22:43.53 | Fox_1_ | EmleyMoor, you mean the answer? |
| 22:44.00 | eeyore- | rev0: how's tcp/ip on palmos? |
| 22:44.25 | rev0 | eeyore- what do you mean how? |
| 22:44.36 | EmleyMoor | Yes, what dpkg tells you - it's referred to as a factoid, and I'm surely not the first person to tell you that tonight |
| 22:44.54 | eeyore- | rev0: is it easy to do? is it unix-like? is it nonexistent? :) |
| 22:45.38 | rev0 | eeyore- on PalmOS nearly everything is already in the system...so..you just have to call specific function or library with parameter |
| 22:45.51 | Fox_1_ | EmleyMoor, :) no you are the first |
| 22:45.53 | rev0 | eeyore- it is VERY easy |
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| 22:46.21 | rev0 | eeyore- mostly C -like,in my opinion much easier than in unix |
| 22:46.45 | EmleyMoor | Fox_l_: streuner made it quite obvious, I thought |
| 22:47.04 | rev0 | eeyore- if you're interested I can send you good ebook |
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| 22:47.21 | rev0 | eeyore- as soon as I find it ;) |
| 22:47.52 | rev0 | eeyore- I didn't use it for about a year |
| 22:47.57 | Fox_1_ | EmleyMoor, but i remember that when script have not the answer it write that don't know anything about that or i don't remember. but now it does not write anything. |
| 22:48.17 | Fox_1_ | why? |
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| 22:48.39 | Fox_1_ | EmleyMoor, and my nick is Fox_1_ not Fox_l_ |
| 22:48.42 | streuner | Fox_1_: in that case, a factoid doesn't exist then |
| 22:48.42 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 22:49.00 | eeyore- | rev0: i think i see the printed edition, "palmos network programming", ora |
| 22:49.09 | EmleyMoor | Fox_1_: Give me an example of something it doesn't know |
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| 22:49.20 | EmleyMoor | (Damned font I can't decipher clearly) |
| 22:49.45 | eeyore- | rev0: distinctly palmos interface convention, NetLibSocketOpen(), NetLibSocketConnect(), etc. not unix-like names |
| 22:49.45 | Fox_1_ | EmleyMoor, kikos |
| 22:49.45 | rev0 | eeyore- I would suggest "Palm Programming" by O'Reiley |
| 22:49.52 | eeyore- | rev0: got that one |
| 22:50.03 | rev0 | eeyore- so it's good one ;) |
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| 22:50.08 | Eiscreme | hi |
| 22:50.21 | Eiscreme | what device handles the audio input via microphone please? |
| 22:50.22 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... indeed - mind you, saves it going on about not knowing |
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| 22:50.29 | Fox_1_ | !tell EmleyMoor kikos |
| 22:50.39 | streuner | Fox_1_: *shrug* the factoid (info) doesn't prolly exist, even bots don't know _EVERYTHING_ |
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| 22:51.13 | uwe | does debian testing use XFree86 or xorg? |
| 22:51.14 | EmleyMoor | Eiscreme: Generally the same as handles the output |
| 22:51.15 | Fox_1_ | streuner, i understand. |
| 22:51.21 | GmsDgs3 | hahahahaha |
| 22:51.28 | GmsDgs3 | i dont understand anything |
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| 22:51.31 | rev0 | eeyore- do you have any idea how to change IRQ for USB Controller? |
| 22:51.37 | streuner | uwe: by default xfree, but you can use xorg as well |
| 22:51.49 | bsims | Is there any way in KDE to bind differnt commands for an icon if it is clicked with mousebutton two (ie mousewheel? For example I have an icon in wmaker that if left-clicked opens oocalc and if middle clicked opens my checkbook in oocalc... even better example is left click opens Konq in web mode and mouse button opens it in filemanagement mode. |
| 22:52.03 | bsims | heh "I couldn't scream "WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING, YOU MORONIC BARELY HOUSE TRAINED SHAVED APES?" loud enough that day." I love ASR |
| 22:52.07 | streuner | uwe: testing has xorg now in its repos |
| 22:52.08 | uwe | thanx streuner |
| 22:52.15 | eeyore- | rev0: not directly. generally you'd shuffle the order of plug-in cards around. disabling devices also indirectly re-order IRQ's around. |
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| 22:52.29 | GmsDgs3 | hey does anyone use knoppix |
| 22:52.40 | uwe | streuner, but a simple upgrade will get me XFree86 , right |
| 22:52.41 | eeyore- | rev0: for example, you could disable onboard floppy drive, disable serial/parallel port IRQ's ... eventually that'll move USB IRQ too |
| 22:52.44 | phogg | GmsDgs3: no |
| 22:52.44 | bsims | also removing, rebooting, powering down and reinstalling |
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| 22:52.48 | antgel_ | !tell GmsDgs3 about knoppix |
| 22:52.52 | antgel_ | !tell GmsDgs3 about anyone |
| 22:52.56 | streuner | GmsDgs3: i would guess #knoppix would do ;-) |
| 22:53.05 | GmsDgs3 | what |
| 22:53.10 | compguymac | how do i install nvidia driver? |
| 22:53.17 | GmsDgs3 | i am just starting up and am trying to learn things |
| 22:53.18 | compguymac | ive done it but only once, i forget |
| 22:53.20 | antgel_ | !tell compguymac about nvidia oneliner |
| 22:53.21 | EmleyMoor | GmsDgs3: My only experience with knoppix is using the Live CD to shrink a Windows XP partition to make enough room for me to install Debian <g> |
| 22:53.27 | streuner | uwe: no idea, but apt-get install xserver-xorg would prolly do the tric... |
| 22:53.29 | rev0 | eeyore- well...it's realy weird now |
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| 22:53.44 | compguymac | didt work |
| 22:53.50 | GmsDgs3 | ya well i run knoppix off a cd |
| 22:53.50 | eeyore- | rev0: you shouldn't have a problem, though. what device is your usb sharing irq with? |
| 22:54.05 | thingfish | dpkg, can we have a Debian love-in, like back in the 60's? |
| 22:54.06 | uwe | it conflicts with XFree86 |
| 22:54.07 | EdgEy | what does it mean when a package has been "kept back" from apt-get upgrade |
| 22:54.11 | rev0 | eeyore- after moving from kernel 2.4.x to 2.6.11 I have only porblems |
| 22:54.17 | rev0 | eeyore- nothing |
| 22:54.23 | thingfish | dpkg is obviously not a hippy. |
| 22:54.25 | eeyore- | rev0: so what is the problem for now? |
| 22:54.25 | EmleyMoor | uwe: Naturally, as the two provide the same kind of functions |
| 22:54.36 | GmsDgs3 | and i want to learn how to write script and things and write my own programs |
| 22:54.37 | streuner | !tell EdgEy about kept back |
| 22:54.39 | bsims | EdgEy: it means that it is depending on something that isn't installable yet or needs new dependencies |
| 22:54.41 | rev0 | eeyore- lsdev says USB has it's own IRQ |
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| 22:54.56 | rev0 | eeyore-, but dmesg says somethong else |
| 22:55.05 | EdgEy | ah, distupgrade = win thanks |
| 22:55.13 | uwe | EmleyMoor, so what am i supposed to do? |
| 22:55.15 | bsims | EdgEy: maybe |
| 22:55.21 | bsims | depends... |
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| 22:55.32 | EmleyMoor | uwe: If you want to use xorg, go ahead. If not, stay back |
| 22:55.39 | EdgEy | well it's working.. hmm |
| 22:55.43 | eeyore- | rev0: "cat /proc/interrupts"? |
| 22:55.45 | rev0 | eeyore-, my USB is useless now... :( |
| 22:55.49 | compguymac | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:55.55 | compguymac | thats all i have to do? |
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| 22:56.03 | eeyore- | rev0: that doesn't give me anything to go on :) ("my usb is useless") |
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| 22:56.05 | Barnes | anyone know of a good syslog for firewall logs? |
| 22:56.06 | uwe | EmleyMoor, i mean it wont install , would i have to remove xfree-86 first? |
| 22:56.08 | thingfish | switching to xorg seems rather trivial. |
| 22:56.13 | madclicker | how do i read my usd harddrive in debian? |
| 22:56.19 | compguymac | plug it in |
| 22:56.27 | thingfish | but that's because Debian is so good. |
| 22:56.28 | streuner | thingfish: yeah, it was very easy for me |
| 22:56.28 | EmleyMoor | uwe: Normally, the packaging system should handle that for you |
| 22:56.33 | GmsDgs3 | dang i guess no one can help me |
| 22:56.35 | Fox_1_ | streuner, listen i'm writing script which must work in an other server channel, and it must work like apt or dpkg. now when someone write something it forward that the message here and ask it from apt/dpkg. now if in wrong message apt/dpkg doesn't write anything my script doesn't work correctly. so i need to know how apt/dpkg script work and from where does it takes the answers? |
| 22:56.42 | compguymac | has to be FAT filestructure |
| 22:56.42 | thingfish | streuner: we picked the right distro. |
| 22:56.43 | rev0 | eeyore-, it's like...IRQ 7 |
| 22:56.49 | bsims | plug it in <g>... it should be something like /dev/sda1 |
| 22:56.51 | rev0 | eeyore-, shared with ACPI |
| 22:56.59 | rev0 | eeyore-, damn IBM!!! |
| 22:57.04 | madclicker | compguymac: g1 |
| 22:57.12 | thingfish | IBM is good, aren't they? |
| 22:57.14 | streuner | thingfish: i hadn't a technical doubt the last years ;-) |
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| 22:57.20 | eeyore- | rev0: it's not a bad thing. |
| 22:57.21 | thingfish | :) |
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| 22:57.26 | phogg | Fox_1_: apt-get install blootbot |
| 22:57.28 | meredydd | hallo |
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| 22:57.43 | eeyore- | rev0: if you want to concentrate on fixing the problem, you'll have to outline your problem, what you've done to try to fix it, etc. |
| 22:57.43 | thingfish | I can't see how anyone who installs Debian ever goes elsewhere. |
| 22:57.51 | uwe | EmleyMoor, should i force it! |
| 22:57.54 | eeyore- | rev0: of course, gripes are always allowed, but they don't help you fix the problems |
| 22:58.03 | meredydd | I'm encountering what seems to be a fairly common problem, but can't seem to find a solution, just loads of people asking the problem |
| 22:58.09 | meredydd | *asking the question |
| 22:58.11 | thingfish | probably only people with severe psychological defects. |
| 22:58.21 | madclicker | bsims: is there a hot plugger |
| 22:58.25 | meredydd | "Conflict/Pre-Depends loop" with e2fsprogs |
| 22:58.26 | phogg | thingfish: some people don't learn enough of it, get frightened and run back to Fedora Crap. |
| 22:58.30 | rev0 | eeyore-, ok so...uhci_hcd Unlinked after no-IRQ <--- dmesg |
| 22:58.36 | thingfish | hehe phogg, exactly |
| 22:58.42 | EmleyMoor | uwe: Yes, probably, but IANR. |
| 22:58.49 | amphi | meredydd: the error message contains the solution IIRC |
| 22:58.53 | thingfish | when actually, it's Fedora that's the scary entity. |
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| 22:58.59 | bsims | madclicker: yeah oddly enough its named hotplug |
| 22:59.16 | rev0 | eeyore-, and ... device not accepting adress 2,error -110 |
| 22:59.23 | meredydd | amphi: "This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option"? |
| 22:59.41 | rev0 | and it was working GREAT under kernel 2.4.x |
| 22:59.41 | meredydd | for what values of "bad"? |
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| 22:59.49 | meredydd | (and "often", for that matter) |
| 23:00.00 | phogg | thingfish: sure it is, but d00d it boots into a GUI and has a control panel! Where's Debian's control panel? And what does login: mean? |
| 23:00.03 | meredydd | And, more relevantly, where does one set that option? |
| 23:00.29 | thingfish | phogg: stop it, you're going to make me spill my cocktail. |
| 23:00.40 | Yildirim | hello i have got a problem with my email server.. i cannot receive emails in my mailboxes in /var/mail/user. can it take effect from the next error? WARNING: Port "imap3" unselected in debconf but possibly handled locally. |
| 23:00.44 | LightVision | thingfish: hello my old friend :P |
| 23:00.53 | thingfish | LightVision! hello |
| 23:00.53 | MegaByte | How do I force a package to be removed on dpkg? |
| 23:01.01 | thingfish | how are we today? |
| 23:01.04 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: what is the error? |
| 23:01.18 | bsims | pondering geting mindmeltingly drunk... you? |
| 23:01.20 | phogg | meredydd: I have succeeded in breaking out of such loops with a certain amount of dpkg -i force-things and sometimes by rebuilding packages taht pretend not to have the problem |
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| 23:01.27 | eeyore- | rev0: did you compile a custom kernel and disable acpi support? |
| 23:01.33 | thingfish | bsims: I'd say go for it! |
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| 23:01.43 | meredydd | phogg: Ouch. |
| 23:01.50 | meredydd | phogg: That's...not good. |
| 23:01.51 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, the package says it can't be removed because other packages needs it |
| 23:01.53 | dondelelcaro | meredydd: first, upgrade to stable. Then, AND ONLY THEN, upgrade to unstable. |
| 23:01.54 | thingfish | one never forces... |
| 23:02.01 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, but I want to remove it anyway |
| 23:02.06 | meredydd | dondelelcaro: ahhh, okaay... |
| 23:02.06 | phogg | meredydd: I didn't say it was wise. |
| 23:02.11 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: and that would be why you don't remove it. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 23:02.14 | thingfish | forcing is aesthetically unpleasing. |
| 23:02.20 | rev0 | eeyore-, nope...I use ready kernel but acpi IS disable from lilo |
| 23:02.24 | EmleyMoor | MegaByte: Why do you want to remove it if you have things depending on it? |
| 23:02.32 | meredydd | dondelelcaro: So what happens if I'm already using a ton of unstable packages |
| 23:02.35 | LightVision | I just created a bootable CD with the Grub menu. But how can I add to the menu an option to boot into CLI? Do I need to add kernel and all cli commands to the CD? |
| 23:02.44 | meredydd | (but with the rest un-upgraded since I installed woody) |
| 23:02.52 | phogg | meredydd: my favorite kind is the kind where the preconfigure script crashes/failes unexpectedly on something trivial. |
| 23:02.52 | eeyore- | rev0: why don't you enable acpi? :) |
| 23:02.56 | meredydd | and all of a sudden my next dist-upgrade throws this in my face? |
| 23:02.57 | dondelelcaro | meredydd: you first need to upgrade to stable, then actually upgrade to unstable. |
| 23:03.01 | MegaByte | EmleyMoor, because I'll uprade it with a new package. |
| 23:03.10 | amphi | meredydd: I expect it's ok to do it - just edit apt.conf |
| 23:03.16 | MegaByte | EmleyMoor, a whole package instead of very split packages |
| 23:03.20 | MegaByte | EmleyMoor, so? |
| 23:03.23 | rev0 | eeyore-, maybe because that it gives me kernel panic while booting? |
| 23:03.27 | dondelelcaro | meredydd: running inbetween versions like that is insane and almost certianly will result in wierd breakages. |
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| 23:03.36 | meredydd | dondelelcaro: Riight. Okay. |
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| 23:03.45 | LightVision | is it possible to make an exact copy of my hda to hdb? is there a command that will create all partitions automatically that exist on hda unto hdb? |
| 23:03.50 | eeyore- | rev0: acpi has worked for me :) 2.6.13 |
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| 23:04.01 | meredydd | So, what, just set my sources.list to all stable, then dist-upgrade, then set to unstable and dist-upgrade again? |
| 23:04.03 | thingfish | LightVision: may I PM you for a sec? |
| 23:04.07 | EmleyMoor | LightVision: Are the two disks technically identical? |
| 23:04.12 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: what new package are you upgrading? is there any reason why you're not using the Debian package? |
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| 23:04.30 | EdgEy | meredydd maybe put testing in as well |
| 23:04.49 | amphi | meredydd: I had that installing from a pre-release sarge netinstall iso - it put 'testing' rather than 'sarge' in sources.list, and I got that when I did update && upgrade |
| 23:04.50 | rev0 | eeyore-, ok...so I'll try to poke around for a while and I'll return with answer :) |
| 23:05.02 | amphi | meredydd: it seemed to work fine, FWIW |
| 23:05.19 | meredydd | EdgEy: Uhm...I thought I'd just been told that running in-between versions like that is "insane"? |
| 23:05.23 | LightVision | thingfish: only if you are going to be positive, nice and contructive |
| 23:05.30 | thingfish | LightVision: oh totally |
| 23:05.34 | EdgEy | but you wouldn't be running them would you |
| 23:05.36 | LightVision | EmleyMoor: no, hda is 20gig anf hdb is 10gig |
| 23:05.37 | meredydd | amphi: all right, I'll give it a shot. |
| 23:05.38 | EdgEy | just an intermediary step |
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| 23:05.41 | thingfish | in fact it's not linux related, that's why I asked. |
| 23:06.00 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, can you just help me with this? |
| 23:06.06 | amphi | meredydd: that was upgrading from current stable to current testing, BTW |
| 23:06.18 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: that's what I'm doing; you've got to answer my questions if you want help. |
| 23:06.25 | LightVision | EmleyMoor is is possible to make a copy of hda to hdb ? |
| 23:06.35 | meredydd | LightVision: Are they the same size? |
| 23:06.43 | meredydd | If they are, then you can just use "dd". |
| 23:06.54 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, there were those old packages libglib and libglib-data |
| 23:06.56 | meredydd | If they're not, then you won't be able to replicate all the partitions. |
| 23:07.02 | EmleyMoor | meredydd: hdb is 50% of hda, hence "quart" and "pint pot" springing to mind |
| 23:07.04 | phogg | Only if they're EXACTLY the same. Otherwise I really wouln't recommend iut |
| 23:07.14 | LightVision | meredydd: not same size! hda is 20 and hdb is 10 |
| 23:07.14 | compguymac | i did... |
| 23:07.15 | compguymac | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.25 | meredydd | LightVision: Uhm...do you see a problem here? :P |
| 23:07.26 | EmleyMoor | There's a "Hard Disk Upgrade HOWTO" that may help |
| 23:07.27 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, glib was compiled and I want to replace glib and remove those two packages |
| 23:07.28 | compguymac | and the nvidia driver is not in the list of cards to use |
| 23:07.40 | LightVision | meredydd: no, because hda is not even 10 gig filled |
| 23:07.44 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, but I want to remove libglib and ignore the dependencies |
| 23:07.44 | meredydd | ah |
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| 23:08.04 | LightVision | meredydd: so seeing hda is using less than 10 gig, can I copy that to hdb? |
| 23:08.06 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: right, so why aren't you using the libglibg2.0-0 packages? |
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| 23:08.06 | meredydd | but you can't make an exact copy, including partitions, because the partitions are set up to take up 20gb |
| 23:08.13 | phogg | LightVision: how is it partitioned? |
| 23:08.17 | meredydd | you'll have to copy the files, rather than the filesystem. |
| 23:08.20 | LightVision | meredydd: ok, so is there a solution? |
| 23:08.35 | phogg | LightVision: cp -R |
| 23:08.36 | meredydd | Use cfdisk /dev/hdb, set up the partitions you need |
| 23:08.37 | LightVision | phogg: which drive? |
| 23:08.40 | compguymac | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.42 | amphi | LightVision: better just make the partitions on hdb and cp -a the stuff from hda to it |
| 23:08.44 | compguymac | can anyone help? |
| 23:08.46 | phogg | LightVision: the source drive, of course |
| 23:08.46 | meredydd | then mkfs on the hdb partitions |
| 23:08.48 | w|edge | Should I use sarge if I want to run the latest testing packages? |
| 23:08.50 | meredydd | and then use cp -a |
| 23:09.02 | amphi | w|edge: no |
| 23:09.05 | EmleyMoor | w|edge: etch is testing |
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| 23:09.16 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, becase I don't want to. I want to use my own compiled package. |
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| 23:09.26 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, Can you just help me? |
| 23:09.29 | w|edge | EmleyMoor: can you give me a link to point me out in the right direction? |
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| 23:09.41 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: then you need to be compiling a Debian package instead that provides those packages. |
| 23:09.43 | w|edge | Im clicking "images for testing release" and still get pointed to sarge on debian.org |
| 23:09.48 | cheal | compguymac: what does $ dpkg -l nvidia-glx|grep ii; return? |
| 23:09.55 | compguymac | um... |
| 23:10.00 | EmleyMoor | w|edge: Where are you clicking that? |
| 23:10.05 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: doing anything else will result in a broken system that has binaries that are possibly API and/or ABI incompatible with eachother |
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| 23:10.13 | w|edge | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 23:10.18 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, I have compiled from source AND created a package from it. |
| 23:10.20 | w|edge | "Images for the "testing" release, both daily builds and known working snapshots, see the Debian-Installer page." |
| 23:10.23 | w|edge | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 23:10.38 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, how do I force the removal of the old package and install the new package? |
| 23:10.39 | streuner | !d-i w|edge |
| 23:10.41 | dpkg | w|edge, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:10.43 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: then create the package propertly so that it Provides: the proper versions of libglib2.0-0 |
| 23:11.00 | w|edge | dpkg: explain. |
| 23:11.02 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: you don't; you fix the debian/control of the package that you've created. |
| 23:11.03 | compguymac | cheal: dpkg: need an action option |
| 23:11.14 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, it does but it conflicts with the old package. how do I remove the old package? |
| 23:11.16 | phogg | w|edge: dpkg is a bot |
| 23:11.17 | MegaByte | FORCING: |
| 23:11.20 | MegaByte | ? |
| 23:11.21 | w|edge | gah.. |
| 23:11.28 | w|edge | >_< |
| 23:11.34 | w|edge | see even the bot is confusing |
| 23:11.41 | phogg | MegaByte: you have dpkg remove the old package automatically as it upgrades to your version of the package |
| 23:11.53 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: you need to Provides:, Conflicts: and Replaces: the old package. This is all explained in policy and the developer's reference. |
| 23:11.57 | EmleyMoor | w|edge: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/ |
| 23:12.07 | LightVision | amphi: ok |
| 23:12.14 | cheal | compguymac: what relevant does dpkg --list nvidia-glx; show? |
| 23:12.41 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: if you really want to build your own version of glib, you're really far better off starting using the actual Debian packages as a base, and changing whatever you think needs to be changed in them and rebuilding them with a new version instead of trying to package them yourself. That way lies madness. |
| 23:12.43 | LightVision | so dd only works if the hda and hdb is exactly the same size? |
| 23:12.55 | compguymac | cheal: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 23:12.55 | compguymac | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 23:12.55 | compguymac | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 23:12.55 | compguymac | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 23:12.55 | compguymac | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 23:12.56 | compguymac | un nvidia-glx <none> (no description available) |
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| 23:12.58 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: no, it will work either way, it just may not produce ideal results. |
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| 23:14.12 | compguymac | worry about that |
| 23:14.14 | compguymac | sorry |
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| 23:14.17 | uwe | had anyone here upgraded from stable to testing lately? im facing a real problem with upgrading X! and it seems udev is bugging apt-get, and it doesnt have its dependencies! |
| 23:14.28 | cheal | compguymac: eh. so that shows the nvidia-glx package is not installed |
| 23:14.43 | dondelelcaro | uwe: use the paster bot to paste the full output of your apt-get run, and apt-cache policy foopkg; on the packages involved. |
| 23:14.45 | compguymac | hm |
| 23:14.52 | compguymac | all i did so far was... |
| 23:15.03 | compguymac | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia |
| 23:15.06 | uwe | !paster |
| 23:15.06 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 23:15.24 | cheal | compguymac: the "apt-get install nvidia-glx" part should have installed it |
| 23:15.43 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx |
| 23:15.46 | compguymac | do i need to restart? |
| 23:15.48 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 23:15.58 | NateC | Anyone else here using KDE 3.5? |
| 23:16.00 | streuner | its 'non-free' ... |
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| 23:16.04 | cheal | NateC: nobody |
| 23:16.08 | NateC | Heh wow |
| 23:16.11 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: basic apt-get troubleshooting is <reply> In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 23:16.11 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 23:16.56 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: bat is <reply> see basic apt-get troubleshooting |
| 23:16.56 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 23:17.11 | cheal | compguymac: rerun the command? perhaps not entirely. it depends what worked. also, what you just pasted is incomplete |
| 23:17.37 | compguymac | hm |
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| 23:17.54 | compguymac | what do i need to add to it? |
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| 23:18.18 | cheal | compguymac: I'd advise you to run the commands separately since you need to troubleshoot. if you never did that install procedure, the one-liner isn't for you, you want Andrew Schulman's Debian-nVidia HOWTO |
| 23:18.37 | cheal | compguymac: " >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 23:18.46 | cheal | !tell compguymac about nvidia-howto |
| 23:19.00 | Azar | that one liner is a gem |
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| 23:19.02 | uwe | http://channels.debian.net/paste/763 |
| 23:19.23 | uwe | the apt-get install xserver-xorg issue! |
| 23:19.54 | amphi | uwe: this is on sarge? |
| 23:20.01 | uwe | this is testing |
| 23:20.03 | Azar | xorg is a waste of time now, maybe later next year gonna be good for something |
| 23:20.12 | phogg | uwe: I love it when the pre-install script fails. Fun. |
| 23:20.36 | phogg | Azar: what makes you say that? It seems identical to me, at the moment |
| 23:20.41 | amphi | Azar: worth it for me, it supports 3d accel on my card |
| 23:20.44 | dondelelcaro | uwe: well, the udev one is pretty straight forward, you need a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 23:20.45 | uwe | ive upgraded from sarge stable to testing .... :'( |
| 23:20.56 | Azar | phogg, it is good for those with lots of time, I am too busy to chocke on bugs |
| 23:21.08 | uwe | but its not in testing repositories!! |
| 23:21.22 | streuner | Azar: iam running xorg without problems |
| 23:21.29 | amphi | Azar: installed like a charm here (the sarge backport) |
| 23:21.29 | Azar | uwe, you gonna configure your own |
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| 23:21.35 | phogg | Azar: People say that, but for me it was one apt-get command and a restart. No problems |
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| 23:21.44 | streuner | Azar: switching from xfree was just fun.... |
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| 23:21.51 | dondelelcaro | !+info linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 testing |
| 23:21.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 23:21.54 | Azar | streuner, I just went with the simple and the basic: sarge with packages that can swallow |
| 23:22.08 | hyperstream | is it possible to do shoutcast broadcasting in xmms ? |
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| 23:22.11 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.12-1-386: (Linux kernel 2.6.12 image on 386-class machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-6 (etch), Packaged size: 15449 kB, Installed size: 45276 kB |
| 23:22.17 | dondelelcaro | uwe: see above. |
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| 23:22.40 | welson | hyperstream, probably, look into something related to 'relay' services.. |
| 23:22.42 | phogg | hyperstream: afaik, not really. The icecast server is not directly related to xmms |
| 23:22.49 | Azar | streuner, I bet it is fun to get something new, but since I chocked on sid, I backed up a bit, I need air |
| 23:22.52 | dondelelcaro | uwe: as far as your X issue, your mirror appears to be out of date. Run apt-get update; again. |
| 23:23.05 | dondelelcaro | !+info xserver-common testing |
| 23:23.14 | dpkg | xserver-common: (files and utilities common to all X servers), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 (etch), Packaged size: 357 kB, Installed size: 1024 kB |
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| 23:23.38 | cheal | Azar: X.org isn't sid |
| 23:24.00 | Azar | cheal , indeed but it is something new and I see newbies like me chocking on it |
| 23:24.01 | phogg | hyperstream: as I look at it, xmms-liveice seems like it might do the trick in conjunction with a working server |
| 23:24.04 | welson | what option is it i use for ext2/ext3 for a user to mount? |
| 23:24.12 | streuner | well, 6.8.2 _IS_ xorg |
| 23:24.14 | phogg | welson: user or users |
| 23:24.14 | dondelelcaro | welson: user |
| 23:24.21 | dondelelcaro | welson: man mount; for details |
| 23:24.27 | welson | phogg, don't i need anything else? |
| 23:24.29 | uwe | dondelelcaro, http://channels.debian.net/paste/764 |
| 23:24.36 | Azar | I just installed xfree86, and nvidia, and openbox yesterday in half hour was a breeze. |
| 23:24.43 | cheal | Azar: X.org isn't new neither |
| 23:24.50 | uwe | dondelelcaro, ok, sorry didnt read that |
| 23:25.02 | hyperstream | phogg, well i have a dedicated server that can run shoutcast |
| 23:25.03 | Azar | cheal how does xorg works with sarge and a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 23:25.05 | phogg | welson: You'll need icecast-server as well, obviously. But other than that... not that I can see in a cursory glance. |
| 23:25.14 | dondelelcaro | uwe: yes; that looks like you've got it installed, so you'll need to actually be running 2.6.12 |
| 23:25.15 | cheal | Azar: no idea |
| 23:25.16 | phogg | welson: er, sorry. Confused you with hyperstream |
| 23:25.23 | Azar | cheal I guess it does not |
| 23:25.33 | welson | phogg, that's ok.. |
| 23:25.34 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 23:25.35 | hyperstream | but is there a plugin to broadcast my stuff |
| 23:25.36 | phogg | welson: I'd use defaults,exec,user if I were you |
| 23:25.49 | amphi | Azar: it works fine with 2.6.11 on sarge FWIW |
| 23:25.50 | phogg | welson: er, I mean noexec |
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| 23:26.16 | Azar | when Debian gets etch out as official stable, I wll get a 2.6.12 if supported and move to xorg |
| 23:26.19 | uwe | me reboot! |
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| 23:26.39 | welson | phogg, I know I can root and mountpoint and create a subdirectory having ownership in which is the user-- but I'm looking for an explicit user and not any.. |
| 23:26.59 | phogg | Azar: I take it youa re not a man who likes living on the edge |
| 23:27.03 | welson | phogg, I mean an explicit user that does the mount |
| 23:27.13 | Azar | phogg: no time man, half day I am at work |
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| 23:27.39 | phogg | welson: option user will allow any user to mount. For a specific user I don't know. Maybe you could muck something up with sudo |
| 23:27.51 | Azar | but I am training my friend boburt with basic Debian and he will surely fly fast to higher versions |
| 23:27.56 | phogg | Azar: That is why they invented weekends |
| 23:27.57 | dondelelcaro | welson: you can do it by using owner and/or the group option to mount if that's what you want; but it's slightly more complex. |
| 23:27.59 | Azar | so he will do whatever I have no time to do |
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| 23:28.12 | Azar | define weekend :) I have none |
| 23:28.13 | welson | phogg, can you please? i've been looking into this, I have absolutely no problem with ntfs doing this flexibility.. |
| 23:28.18 | The_Bartender | hello.. |
| 23:28.29 | welson | dondelelcaro, complex is great, what would that be? |
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| 23:28.49 | LightVision | doesnt Sarge come with qtparted? |
| 23:28.53 | phogg | welson: I'm afraid it's not really my area. As dondelelcaro says it's complex. |
| 23:28.55 | dondelelcaro | welson: man mount; again, and read about the options; the issue is that they have to own the device in question |
| 23:28.56 | cheal | LightVision: no |
| 23:29.06 | dondelelcaro | welson: what exactly are you trying to do, though? |
| 23:29.18 | welson | dondelelcaro, ok, ok.. I could have done it, but a long--time ago :).. |
| 23:29.19 | The_Bartender | hello, just thought I'd mention the live Hurricane Rita webcam I am currently watching. www.annihilated.org view it there |
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| 23:29.46 | cheal | he already left :) |
| 23:29.47 | DeVeRaS | Hi. i can see a webcam in lsusb, now what do i need to do to find a module to load for it? |
| 23:29.47 | welson | btw, why can't we say tkman? :) |
| 23:29.50 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@user-4934.l2.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:29.52 | phogg | damn spam.... |
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| 23:30.22 | LightVision | cheal: so seeing Sarge doesnt come with qtparted, what do I use? |
| 23:30.23 | phogg | welson: because we are not afraid of text |
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| 23:30.33 | smallfoot- | "Although Mery has a slight French accent, and is an Open Sauce advocate, he could have just been a normal geek on the street. At least he can count himself lucky that he wasnt a South American electrician. They have a short life expectancy on the London Underground." - http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26385 |
| 23:30.35 | smallfoot- | he was an "open sauce advocate" ? LOL |
| 23:30.59 | main | welson: how bout xman |
| 23:31.07 | eeyore- | smallfoot-: that whole thing doesn't make sense |
| 23:31.08 | welson | tkman is sweet cool, kills xman :) |
| 23:31.10 | cheal | LightVision: I have no idea what you want to do. kdiskfree? fdisk? |
| 23:31.35 | LightVision | cheal: I want to load up my hdb and partiton it |
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| 23:32.25 | hyperstream | phogg, would http://www.oddsock.org/tools/oddcastv3_jack/ be what im looking for ? |
| 23:32.26 | ubuntu | HABLAN ESPAÑOL? |
| 23:32.31 | LaidBack_01 | hey, I'm trying my best.... I cannot find the pg_autovacuum package in debian.. can anyone enlighten me? |
| 23:32.34 | smallfoot- | HOLA ESPANSOL SI SI |
| 23:32.39 | dondelelcaro | !es |
| 23:32.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:32.46 | ubuntu | ALGUN USUARIO DE UBUNTU? |
| 23:32.49 | smallfoot- | plz mi computer not is working?? |
| 23:32.54 | smallfoot- | ALGUN SIM LINUX BR?? |
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| 23:33.04 | LightVision | in Sarge, what program do I use that similar to qtparted? |
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| 23:33.16 | phogg | hyperstream: no idea. As I said, xmms-liveice looks possible. I know nothing more |
| 23:33.21 | dondelelcaro | ubuntu: lose the caps; for help in español, see #debian-es |
| 23:33.26 | Azar | not that I am drinking but I wish to beg the developers to change the sources for apt : replace stable-testing-unstable with woody-sarge-etch-sid PLEASE |
| 23:33.27 | amphi | LightVision: to partition hdb? cfdisk perhaps |
| 23:33.33 | eeyore- | who's that? (bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 23:33.53 | phogg | LightVision: parted, cfdisk |
| 23:33.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:33.58 | eeyore- | oh |
| 23:33.59 | Azar | everytime there is a release there is confusion |
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| 23:34.18 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:34.30 | smallfoot- | :( |
| 23:34.39 | phogg | Azar: you could make a simole "upgrade my source.list" package |
| 23:34.50 | cheal | Azar: unstable is always sid |
| 23:35.03 | LightVision | ok ty |
| 23:35.05 | Azar | phogg, there is the issue: I install woody first and its sources say: stable |
| 23:35.08 | Azar | is a nono |
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| 23:35.24 | dondelelcaro | smallfoot-: please don't use caps here either... |
| 23:35.28 | Azar | the installation will complete with sources from sarge dammit! |
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| 23:35.47 | Azar | when etch go out, gonna be same issue |
| 23:36.10 | phogg | Azar: it's hard to say what's "right" for sources.list. There are too many varied situations. But you could cover some "common" cases with a script to be run when a new stable is released. As long as it's voluntary |
| 23:36.11 | Azar | so why no use the right thing |
| 23:36.18 | DeVeRaS | Hi. i can see a webcam in lsusb, now what do i need to do to find a module to load for it? |
| 23:36.43 | Azar | phogg, I can change sources "after" installation but it gonna be kinda late, isnt' it? |
| 23:36.50 | main | i'm having a strange problem where any program that renders in 3D has a 20 second 'warmup' time where it appears to hang, but after that it runs fine. This doesn't occur when running as root. I'm running an NVIDIA Ti4200 with the proprietary drivers. |
| 23:36.56 | phogg | Azar: No. |
| 23:36.59 | Azar | the installation uses apt to complete |
| 23:37.00 | eeyore- | DeVeRaS: what kind of webcam is it? |
| 23:37.20 | Azar | phogg then what? do a installation with no connection? |
| 23:37.26 | DeVeRaS | eeyore- it's a digital camera |
| 23:37.30 | DeVeRaS | it's a vivitar |
| 23:37.36 | cheal | Azar: do you really think that there will be developers on the channel, that they will read you, answer you, and fix the problem? |
| 23:37.43 | lakcaj | DeVeRaS: http://aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm might help |
| 23:37.49 | Azar | cheal, I hope that |
| 23:37.51 | DeVeRaS | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.51 | DeVeRaS | Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 23:37.51 | DeVeRaS | Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0784:1070 Vivitar, Inc. |
| 23:37.53 | eeyore- | DeVeRaS: digital camera .... and it's a "webcam"? |
| 23:37.56 | DeVeRaS | yes |
| 23:38.02 | DeVeRaS | i will read that |
| 23:38.06 | cheal | Azar: good luck with your contribution to Debian |
| 23:38.13 | eeyore- | DeVeRaS: as in, it streams video frames? |
| 23:38.18 | Azar | cheal, I just filed a but |
| 23:38.21 | Azar | bug* |
| 23:38.26 | Azar | oh my i'm drunk |
| 23:38.38 | cheal | Azar: then you don't need to talk to a wall |
| 23:38.38 | eeyore- | DeVeRaS: generally, digital cameras don't stream video frames ... |
| 23:38.43 | phogg | Azar: filing bugs while drunk is dangerous |
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| 23:39.10 | Azar | well I put a suggestion in, no big deal |
| 23:39.18 | DeVeRaS | eeyore- on FC2 i had it working |
| 23:39.22 | DeVeRaS | but long time ago |
| 23:39.34 | cheal | Azar: of course...that's nothing new though |
| 23:39.43 | DeVeRaS | can't remember what i did, cause someone helpmed out, and i didn't ask the right questions to undersntad |
| 23:39.45 | lakcaj | Azar: I do agree with you somewhat. My father had a netinstall CD from when sarge was testing, and I went to help him install after sarge went stable. I forget he had a testing CD, and after about 2 hours of walking him through an install, we realized we had just installed etch and had to start all over. |
| 23:39.50 | DeVeRaS | now, i'am with no luck |
| 23:39.53 | main | what's a good way to read gzipped readme files without explicitly unzipping to a new file? |
| 23:40.12 | Azar | lakaj, thank you for your input and support |
| 23:40.14 | DeVeRaS | i can see it on lsusb, i have mercury ready for it, and i can't manage for it to recognise it |
| 23:40.16 | lakcaj | bzless |
| 23:40.17 | eeyore- | main: "vim" can do that |
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| 23:40.21 | eeyore- | main: or, "zcat" |
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| 23:40.31 | lakcaj | or zless |
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| 23:40.41 | amphi | lakcaj: I did that, heh - caught it quite quickly - the e2fsprogs thing was a good warning ;) |
| 23:40.42 | main | sweet |
| 23:40.42 | Azar | stable is now a generic label: woody and sarge are stable |
| 23:40.43 | Xenguy | main: zless |
| 23:40.59 | LightVision | in Sarge, can I install qtparted? |
| 23:41.09 | Azar | woody is "more stable" :) |
| 23:41.13 | amphi | Azar: woody is no longer stable, it's moribund or something |
| 23:41.14 | azeem | LightVision: what's wrong with parted? |
| 23:41.16 | Xenguy | main: it is possible to configure less to do it as well, but I've forgotten how |
| 23:41.22 | eeyore- | Azar: real men run sid |
| 23:41.30 | LightVision | azeem: bash: parted: command not found |
| 23:41.37 | main | thanks eeyore-, Xenguy |
| 23:41.46 | Xenguy | main: yw |
| 23:41.46 | azeem | LightVision: so install it |
| 23:41.50 | LightVision | azeem: ah ok :) |
| 23:41.57 | Azar | amphi, woody is the cleanest way to install. Sarge is just a enhancement |
| 23:42.15 | eeyore- | install woody and upgrade to sid :) |
| 23:42.20 | Azar | plus woody is 5 times smaller. |
| 23:42.20 | LightVision | azeem: so parted is similar to qtparted? |
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| 23:42.37 | azeem | LightVision: dunno, I never used either |
| 23:42.38 | atom-z | nothing wrong with installing sarge |
| 23:42.49 | Xenguy | LightVision: qtparted is a frontend IIRC |
| 23:42.55 | eeyore- | atom-z: not fresh enough |
| 23:43.01 | LaidBack_01 | hey, I'm trying my best.... I cannot find the pg_autovacuum package in debian.. can anyone enlighten me? |
| 23:43.12 | Azar | atom-z yes, but you lose the best way of understanding Debian. |
| 23:43.13 | azeem | eeyore-: please stop confusing people |
| 23:43.14 | LaidBack_01 | where is pg_autovacuum |
| 23:43.26 | Xenguy | LightVision: apt-cache show qtparted |
| 23:43.27 | valdyn | !find pg_autovacuum |
| 23:43.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pg_autovacuum' (2): (/usr/lib/postgresql/8.0/bin/pg_autovacuum, /usr/share/doc/postgresql-contrib-8.0/README.pg_autovacuum.gz) in misc/postgresql-contrib-8.0 ;; (/usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin/pg_autovacuum, /usr/share/doc/postgresql-contrib-7.4/README.pg_autovacuum.gz) in misc/postgresql-contrib-7.4. |
| 23:43.45 | atom-z | eeyore-, I only use etch because my hardware is not properly supported under sarge |
| 23:43.49 | LaidBack_01 | thank! |
| 23:43.49 | azeem | Xenguy: except qtparted is only available in unstable |
| 23:43.51 | LaidBack_01 | s |
| 23:44.08 | atom-z | Azar, how so? |
| 23:44.10 | Xenguy | azeem: ahh |
| 23:44.31 | LightVision | Xenguy: W: Unable to locate package qtparted |
| 23:44.31 | Azar | atom-z because you do not grow up with it. |
| 23:44.46 | Xenguy | LightVision: what azeem said |
| 23:45.13 | LightVision | is there a gui frontend for parted? |
| 23:45.27 | thingfish | hehe yes, it's called qtparted |
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| 23:45.46 | Azar | my friend tried 4 times to install Sarge, he banged his head an entire afternoon, then we decide to go for woody and jump to Sarge from there: he loved it. |
| 23:45.53 | LightVision | thingfish: I installed parted, but I cant install qtparted |
| 23:45.59 | thingfish | yay! for Azar's friend. |
| 23:45.59 | SteveLab | Can someone help me get a usb mouse working, the laptop 'eraser mouse' works fine but I can't get the usb mouse goin http://pastebin.com/372466 xf86config mouse section |
| 23:46.03 | amphi | Azar: sarge netinstall was trivially easy |
| 23:46.06 | LightVision | Azar: lol |
| 23:46.14 | valdyn | !usbmouse |
| 23:46.14 | dpkg | somebody said usbmouse was [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 23:46.15 | confuzed_newb | anyone here willing to help me solve a problem with xorg freezing |
| 23:46.22 | Xenguy | LightVision: check also for gparted (it may also be unavailable in sarge) |
| 23:46.29 | thingfish | LightVision: did you check it in sid? Maybe you can get it without running into a deb mess. |
| 23:46.32 | thingfish | *dep |
| 23:46.36 | SteveLab | valdyn: ty |
| 23:46.42 | cheal | Azar: please stop advising people to install woody instead of sarge |
| 23:46.45 | amphi | confuzed_newb: have you read the manpage for the driver you're using? |
| 23:46.47 | Azar | amphi, the sarge installer had a bug, it will ok the dhcp but wont give him a connection. Woody shined all over |
| 23:47.00 | thingfish | google is getting too big for its own britches. |
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| 23:47.06 | Azar | ok cheal, my bad |
| 23:47.21 | LightVision | thingfish: ok |
| 23:47.28 | amphi | Azar: uhuh - I configured the iface manually, so I missed that |
| 23:47.39 | thingfish | !info qtparted |
| 23:47.48 | LightVision | Xenguy: gparted not exist |
| 23:47.48 | dpkg | qtparted: (A parted frontend using QT), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.4-5 (sid), Packaged size: 199 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 23:48.00 | Azar | amphi, I am just a frighenet newbie, hard to learn new tricks |
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| 23:48.08 | Xenguy | !info gparted |
| 23:48.11 | Azar | frightened* oh my god |
| 23:48.13 | dpkg | gparted: (GNOME partition editor), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 272 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 23:48.19 | thingfish | cool |
| 23:48.27 | amphi | LightVision: are you resizing an existing partition? |
| 23:48.30 | uwe | for some reason, my apt-get doesnt see any 2.6.12 kernels in testing , my sources.list looks like this -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/765 what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:48.34 | amphi | Azar: ;) |
| 23:48.34 | valdyn | now why would someone use unstable software to mess with something as fragile as partition/fs sizes |
| 23:48.41 | LightVision | amphi: yes |
| 23:48.44 | confuzed_newb | amphi, I replied in private |
| 23:49.05 | amphi | confuzed_newb: I'm a bit deaf - please reply in the channel |
| 23:49.11 | confuzed_newb | ok |
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| 23:49.17 | DeVeRaS | I better refrase.. I have a digital camera that works as a webcam. I worked with in on windows that's how i know. I have all i need for mercury to work with webcams, but that one or gnomemeatting don't manage to find a camera on the system. LSUSB tells me its a vivitar that's connected there. I did alot of googling and haven't mange to find a module for it (does it need one?) what do i do to make it work? |
| 23:49.23 | confuzed_newb | <confuzed_newb> Everything seems to be installed properly... X comes up and runs for a bit, but then after a few seconds it freezes hard |
| 23:49.23 | cheal | !tell uwe about 2.6.12 |
| 23:49.23 | confuzed_newb | <confuzed_newb> I can't even switch to another VC |
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| 23:49.36 | valdyn | !webcam |
| 23:49.49 | confuzed_newb | I can however ssh in and it works fine... top shows xorg at 100% cpu |
| 23:49.55 | confuzed_newb | system load is low however |
| 23:50.29 | amphi | confuzed_newb: did you read the manpage for yr xorg driver? I ask because I had that problem with the S3 on my T22, and the manpage mentioned it and a workaround |
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| 23:50.42 | vick | what's the default display manager in debian ? |
| 23:50.45 | DeVeRaS | !tell DeVeRaS about webcam |
| 23:50.45 | confuzed_newb | If I don't do anything x sits there running fine... I can lock it by moving a window around a bit or just about anything else |
| 23:51.02 | cheal | vick: gdm, if any |
| 23:51.03 | valdyn | vick: maybe gdm, but what would it matter what is 'default' ? |
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| 23:51.05 | azeem | vick: the desktop tasks installs gdm I think. That's as default as it can get |
| 23:51.17 | amphi | confuzed_newb: sounds like my problem - a lot of text scrolling in an xterm was enough to do it |
| 23:51.31 | amphi | confuzed_newb: what card is this? |
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| 23:51.49 | SupIAmMike | i am switching to debian - i am at the window "configuring xserver-xfree86" "Please enter the video card's bus identifier." |
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| 23:51.56 | SupIAmMike | how do i know my video card's bus identifier? |
| 23:52.03 | valdyn | SupIAmMike: leave taht empty |
| 23:52.05 | SupIAmMike | i have a dell 700m |
| 23:52.09 | SupIAmMike | oh ok |
| 23:52.13 | amphi | SupIAmMike: if you only have one card, leave it blank |
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| 23:52.18 | uwe | !tell uwe about hal |
| 23:52.33 | azeem | uwe: please /msg the bot instead |
| 23:52.34 | confuzed_newb | using ATI Radeon 8500... running latest drivers, installed following directions from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 23:52.35 | amphi | confuzed_newb: what video card is this? |
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| 23:52.43 | SupIAmMike | i have 1 video card (the intel i810 but it does have multi head capabilities) |
| 23:52.44 | confuzed_newb | sorry... got interrupted |
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| 23:52.58 | amphi | confuzed_newb: arrgghhh - fglrx |
| 23:53.02 | confuzed_newb | yep |
| 23:53.11 | amphi | confuzed_newb: did you not try the free driver (xorg) ? |
| 23:53.26 | valdyn | confuzed_newb: sounds like you're probably better off using the radeon driver from xorg itself |
| 23:53.34 | amphi | confuzed_newb: it has 3d accek support - see man radeon |
| 23:53.43 | confuzed_newb | I'm setting up the system to do mythtv and need the mpeg acceleration, I don't think the xorg driver supports this? |
| 23:54.18 | welson | anyone has a handsup on opera? they've now went ad-free |
| 23:54.20 | amphi | confuzed_newb: mpeg accel? for what? |
| 23:54.24 | valdyn | confuzed_newb: hmm, does fglrx though? |
| 23:54.32 | confuzed_newb | afaik |
| 23:54.37 | eeyore- | confuzed_newb: fglrx is giving you problems? |
| 23:54.44 | confuzed_newb | unfortunately |
| 23:55.19 | amphi | confuzed_newb: you are not alone - I would try first the xorg radeon driver and see if that works well enough |
| 23:55.25 | confuzed_newb | I think it's fglrx... I could try and replicate using radeon instead... all I need to change is xorg.conf right? |
| 23:55.35 | valdyn | confuzed_newb: i'd try using it internal agp support, or if that is what you're doing use the kernel agp support instead |
| 23:55.57 | valdyn | confuzed_newb: if you really cant use the free driver that is |
| 23:56.25 | cheal | dpkg: xiph is a community organization of projects pushing for open multimedia, including ogg, vorbis and theora. http://www.xiph.org |
| 23:56.26 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 23:56.28 | confuzed_newb | I'm using kernel now... what's the easiest way to switch to internal... I know I have to prevent the module from loading, will modconf do that for me? |
| 23:56.50 | eeyore- | confuzed_newb: did you use the fglrx config utility to write your xorg.conf file? |
| 23:56.52 | azeem | cheal: ogg and vorbis are orthogonal, AFAIK |
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| 23:57.00 | valdyn | confuzed_newb: remove it manually first see if that works, after that you could learn about blacklisting that module |
| 23:57.12 | confuzed_newb | no... followed the dir on http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 23:57.20 | eeyore- | confuzed_newb: fwiw, my laptop is running xorg's radeon driver and my desktop at home runs fglrx |
| 23:57.56 | cheal | azeem: if I understand right what you mean, they are somewhat...is there something wrong? |
| 23:58.19 | valdyn | azeem: orthogonal? |
| 23:58.39 | confuzed_newb | thanks for all the suggestions all... I'll be back with an update after I try it in internal AGPGART |
| 23:59.06 | azeem | valdyn: OGG is just a container like .avi AIUI, vorbis and theora are actually codecs |
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| 23:59.12 | azeem | whatever |
| 23:59.15 | valdyn | azeem: yea |
| 23:59.28 | eeyore- | confuzed_newb: by "mpeg acceleration", do you mean things like motion compensation via xvideo? |
| 23:59.35 | azeem | so I wouldn't call ogg a project, but maybe that's just me |
| 23:59.37 | confuzed_newb | sure |
